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Charles Atkinson and Emily
Posted by mikegen48 on October 13, 2010
Charles Atkinson was born during 1775 in Kentucky. He died during 1865 in Indiana.
Charles married Emily in 1800 in Oldham County, Kentucky. Emily was born in 1775 in Kentucky. She died about 1855 in Indiana.
They had the following children:
Harriet Atkinson was born in 1802 in Kentucky. She died circa 1856 in Illinois.
Charles Atkinson was born in 1805 in Oldham County, Kentucky. He died in 1866 in Randolph County, Illinois.
Abraham Atkinson was born in 1805 in Kentucky. He died on 24 Sep 1884 in Illinois.
Hiram Atkinson was born on 10 Jun 1808 in Indiana. He died in 1883 in Randolph County, Illinois.
Barbara Atkinson was born during 1812 in Indiana. She died during 1818 in Indiana.
Nicholas Atkinson was born on 26 Feb 1816 in Monroe County, Indiana. He died in 1875 in Illinois.
Joseph Atkinson was born circa 1818 in Indiana. He died in 1864 in Randolph County, Illinois.
Virginia Atkinson was born in 1821 in Monroe County, Indiana. She died on 12 Mar 1878 in Illinois.
Thomas Atkinson was born about 1821 in Monroe County, Indiana.
Matthew Atkinson was born in 1823 in Indiana. He died in 1903 in Randolph County, Illinois.
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GETTYSBURG, Pa. – Jurors who convicted a deer poacher of first-degree murder in the shooting death of a central Pennsylvania game warden must now decide whether to sentence him to death or to life in prison without parole.
The Adams County jury deliberated for less than an hour Tuesday before convicting 29-year-old Christopher Johnson of Fairfield in the November 2010 death of wildlife conservation officer David Grove.
Investigators say Johnson and a friend had poached a deer at night when Grove pulled them over on a rural road near Gettysburg. Investigators say a shootout began after Johnson, a convicted felon, vowed never to return to prison.
Defense attorneys were seeking a lesser conviction, arguing that Johnson was too drunk to form the intent to kill.
Jurors return Wednesday to hear more testimony.

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A member of a Pacific Northwest longshoremans union verbally attacked and threatened a news crew that showed up at the unions local headquarters in Longview, Washington. The confrontation was captured on a video that hit YouTube Friday morning.
Im from KGW and I wanted to know if there was anyone here who would want to talk to us about the situation, a Portland, Ore. television correspondent is seen asking while knocking on the buildings door.
Actually, if you go down to Miller Avenue, and talk to them dumbasses down there at EGT, theyll tell you how theyre fucking the Longshoremen around here, the union member answered from behind the door. Thats what you can do, so go back to Portland. Bye!
EGT Development is a contracting company that operates a grain terminal in Longview, Wash., which is at the center of an International Longshore and Warehouse Union work stoppage. The Portland television news crew, from NBC affiliate KGW, proceeded to film papers posted on the buildings exterior wall. That didnt sit so well with the already clearly upset union member.
On Wednesday in Longview, hundreds of International Longshore and Warehouse Union members, upset over EGTs decision to hire workers from a different union, stormed the facility and blocked train tracks there, escalating a longstanding labor dispute.
By Thursday, union workers walked off the job at four other Washington ports, including one in Seattle, and a federal judge was warning the ILWU to stand down. The ILWU contends that it did not call for the work stoppage.


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More than places where people live and work, more than a collection of architectural structures, cities are dynamic, complex cultural artifacts. Design at the urban scale involves the shaping of urban change and conservation in ways that traditional architectural strategies may not address.
In response to this challenge, a group of Department of Architecture faculty, students and professionals have launched urbanLAB::PDX, a collective that is engaged in making urban design--in its increasingly diverse scales and modes--a focal point for the Department of Architecture and Portland State University as a whole.
This design "laboratory" will explore urbanistic, aesthetic, infrastructural and environmental issues in partnership with public organizations, professional firms and governmental agencies through collaborative, project-based initiative. The collective aims to create new knowledge of the ways in which design at the urban scale can provide an integrating and meaningful definition of the urban experience, and to nurture and share this knowledge through publications, exhibitions, symposia, and workshops with the public.
urbanLAB::PDX kicks off in October and November with a series of events that are open to the public:
Light or Dark?
Tuesday, October 30, 7 - 9pm
The Pied Cow
3244 SE Belmont Street, Portland, Oregon
Please join us for this discussion of the role lighting should play in Portland, featuring the differing viewpoints of an advocate for new light installations and a proponent for dark sky initiatives. This conversation will take place over beverages that may require taking a position on the same question: "Light or dark?" Moderated by Jeff Schnabel, Assistant Professor of Architecture at Portland State University.
Pruitt-Igoe Now
Opening Thursday, November 1 (First Thursday), 5 - 9pm
Runs November 1 - December 21, 2012
AIA Portland | Center for Architecture, 403 NW 11th Avenue, Portland, Oregon
The 2012 Pruitt-Igoe Now ideas competition invited participants to submit their visions for the future of the 33-acre now-vacant site of the controversial St. Louis housing project, and was organized by Nora Wendl, Assistant Professor of Architecture at Portland State University, and Michael Allen, Director of the Preservation Research Office, St. Louis, Missouri. Opening First Thursday, November 1, this exhibit will showcase entries to the Pruitt-Igoe Now competition and is curated by Nora Wendl.
Pruitt-Igoe and Other Architectural Fictions
Thursday, November 29, 7 - 9pm
AIA Portland | Center for Architecture, 403 NW 11th Avenue, Portland, Oregon
The public image of Pruitt-Igoe, a fabled work of American architecture, was transformed from utopian to dystopian over the course of twenty years. Join us for a discussion of this and other architectural fictions, in which we examine the stories we tell about the impact of architectural works in our culture. Moderated by Nora Wendl, Assistant Professor of Architecture at Portland State University.
For more information about the Department of Architecture, visit www.pdx.edu/architecture.


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POLICE have made two arrests in relation to two more violent robberies overnight.
The Port Macquarie Panthers Sports Club on Boundary Street fell prey to three robbers.
Just 20 minutes later a service station in Wauchope was also targeted by three offenders.
A Port Macquarie Police spokesman said at this stage the two events were not thought to be linked but investigations into the matter were continuing.
Read how each attack unfolded in Wednesday's Port Macquarie News.


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Mojo Loves His Tennis Ball [VIDEO]
So we are getting ready to move into a new home in the next couple of weeks and I am finding all kinds of surprises and so is Mojo The Dog! I was cleaning out my desk and Mojo crawled under and there was a tennis ball! What a good boy! Since he found it he has not let it out of his mouth since he found it. I guess I better not let him see this video!


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The NFL offseason heats up in a big way later this week as the 2014 Scouting Combine gets underway at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis, Ind. The Vikings, of course, hold the No. 8 overall pick in May's NFL Draft, making the player evaluation process that will continue this week even that much more important.
The Vikings Entertainment Network will be sending a four-man crew to cover the week of action, including vikings.com's Mike Wobschall, who hosted a Combine preview live chat on Monday. Make use of the module below to read the transcript.


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Anyone got some amber they want to sell?
Yo mamma so fat, it'd cost 10 billion to clone her!
Noah, is that you?
Actually, given in-breeding, if they wanted to get a viable population going, they would probably need a whole herd.
However as seen with other breeds of dogs there can be increasing problems with inbreeding if there are serious genetic defects in the ancestors.
Please don't say "[insert animal here]" in a mammoth topic...
Resurrect the species will take a lot more than just two...Inbreeding probably won't be good for the species.
But I think everyone is missing the point.. they said anything about 60,000 years ago.... Well that opens the doors for some kick ass revivals. let's not just do a mammoth.
Here is my short list
Dire Wold - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_Wolf [wikipedia.org]
Big Wolf
Diprotodon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diprotodon [wikipedia.org]
Big Marsupial
Smilidon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smilodon [wikipedia.org]
Giant Sabre Tooth Tiger Lion Thing
Haast Eagle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_Eagle [wikipedia.org]
Giant Eagle
Giant Moa - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinornis [wikipedia.org]
Big Ostrich
Aepyornis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aepyornis [wikipedia.org]
Even Bigger Ostrich
Arctodus_simus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctodus_simus [wikipedia.org]
GIANT BEAR - (Don't Tell Colbert)
43% bigger than Grizzly
For a pretty comprehensive list of what might be available see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_extinctions [wikipedia.org]
Moa/Haast Eagle.
No fucking way. The nice thing about walking in New Zealand is *not* having to worry about running into poisonous/dangerous animals. Plus, I don't really want all my fellow walkers packing
No, but I'm pretty sure someone has used the DNA of another front page story to clone it and make this one...
This is probably the runner up for a record time between dupes.
That way we could have some good music to listen to again at least....
I'm sure there will be a *lot* more Elvis sightings too... (unfortunately).
why can't we just combine Hendrix's DNA with the Mammoth's?
No, that's the beauty of it. When global warming comes, they'll all cook to death!
There, I fixed it for you.
I don't care what kind of cosmic rays they've been exposed to, spiders wielding lubricant guns and hex wrenches are not scary. "Oh, look out, it's going to build some furniture and reduce wear on my bearings!"
Sounds like the annual Sydney Mardi Gras [mardigras.org.au], only with fewer hairy legs. Still not frightening.
What about the animal? The poor thing will be the only one of its species in existence. No chance of reproduction (unless it's close enough to an elephant to mate), no herd to grow up in, no point to its life other than for us to ooh and aah over.
Just because we can doesn't mean we should.
I suggest each one of us gets at least a single mammoth.
Especially if they taste good!!
Hell, down here in southern LA, if one of those things shows up, there's bound to be a Cajun fix an etouffee out of it. People down here will eat anything that doesn't eat them first....and make it taste good!!
Forty acres and a mammoth?
No, no, it's one velociraptor per child, haven't you heard???
What about the animal? The poor thing will be the only one of its species in existence. No chance of reproduction (unless it's close enough to an elephant to mate), no herd to grow up in, no point to its life other than for us to ooh and aah over.
And yet would the mammoth's life experiences be any different from those of millions of other animals being kept as pets already? It would certainly have a much longer and healthier life than that of your average cow, chicken, or lab rat....
I think your sympathies are misplaced.
As for whether there would be a "point" to its life... it would be a significant scientific and technological milestone. That's more "point" than most domesticated animals have.
His post assumes that we wouldn't try to establish a breeding population. If we plan on bringing back an extinct species, what moral obligation do we have to prevent its extinction when the only specimen dies? Or is it okay, since our world has moved on since the last mammoth lived? If scientists make one, should we make more and restore a population? Would today's world be a good environment for a wild population or not? Would our creations be forever destined to live in zoos?
If we create a breeding population, how do we ensure genetic diversity? I am not a bioengineer, and have no way of knowing if diversity is already included in their method (taking a living elephant's skin cell and slowly reshuffling the DNA from elephant to mammoth) by simply using cells from different donor elephants for making each new mammoth. I guess that would depend on how reshuffled the DNA gets in the process of injecting new sequences.
I guess that would depend on how reshuffled the DNA gets in the process of injecting new sequences.
As long as it's shuffled at least 4 times, it should all work out fine.
This is Slashdot; creatures with no chance of reproducing are par for the course here, I don't see why another one is so morally outrageous, especially one that's slimmer and less hairy than the average Linux hacker.
let's make a whole herd
Somehow I believe if you could bring one back, bringing another back of the opposite sex within a few years wouldn't be impossibly difficult. Especially when it would likely be the most cost effective means of producing more Mammoths for zoos and others that were willing to pay.
The business of zoos might not always be pretty, but it practically guarantees that more than one will exist if public outrage doesn't overcome public curiosity.
Somehow I believe if you could bring one back, bringing another back of the opposite sex within a few years wouldn't be impossibly difficult.
Just mix in a certain frog's DNA, and they'll change from female to male no problems.
Current elephants are reasonably closely related to mammoths, so you should be able to use them as the base. Since mitochrondria reproduce asexually, they don't evolve very quickly, and all the other bits in a donor egg will be replaced with DNA-derived ones as the cell divides.
Maybe if we made a really big incubator...
I am completely fine with them doing this as long as they use the FSV and somehow get unix to run on a thinking machines.
Link [sourceforge.net] for those of us with whom the nerd is not strong.
man, you americans must be swiming in cash... "only 10 million". This will be called the mamoth bailout
Well, the first few we resurrect will be interesting and a tourist attraction and all that, but once the public is used to them there has to be a practical application.
Mammoth Burgers sound good to me
My thoughts exactly... since these critters were apparently hunted into extinction by early humans, I can only surmise that they must have been really good eatin'!
There are, apparently, people alive today who've eaten mammoth. One of them described the experience as "like eating meat that's been in the freezer for too long," although there could be a reason for this...
Think food, and "tourism." It's working with farming bison [hpj.com], an animal which was almost extinct. The meat is leaner than regular beef and sells well, but the real money comes from hee-haws with large-calibre weapons who like shooting big hairy cows in open fields. Imagine how much money they'd shell out to blow away a woolly mammoth.
And for the record - whoever came up with the "jurassicbabar" tag, I love you.
Mammoth ribs
*goes back to watching Flintstones*
*goes back to watching Flintstones*"
Awww shit.
I'm gonna have to buy a much LARGER smoker.....
The article hints at the possibility of bringing back other species, but doesn't elaborate. We have museum specimens of other extinct species such as the passenger pigeon [wikipedia.org], Carolina parakeet [wikipedia.org], and ivory-billed woodpecker, and those are certainly much more recent (all 3 species went extinct within the last century). Doesn't this open up the possibility of bringing back a few of these species, too?
is, from the same story, relegated to second interest, for some reason, the idea of resurrecting a neanderthal, the same way as the woolly mammoth. using chimpanzee as the starting cell lineage rather than human, for ethical considerations of course
but this guy won't be dumb. somebody will have to explain to him he's not the last of his kind... he is the 50,000 year old cloned reconstruction of his kind
weird, lonely, and possible on our lifetime
very cool, very freaky
You know, I knew some slashdotters were desperate for a date, but I never suspected they were THAT desperate! On the bright side, they could do GEICO commercials without even using makeup!
But seriously, the prospect of bringing a flawed misfit sentient being into this world and explaining to them "oh, by the way, your species is extinct!" doesn't seem very humane or ethical to me. How would you feel if you were resurrected by some other primates
but who said we only had to make one?
On the bright side, they could do GEICO commercials without even using makeup!
Those guys are liars. They are clearly shown living in houses and apartments. They're not "cave men." They're just scrubs.
But seriously, the prospect of bringing a flawed misfit sentient being into this world and explaining to them "oh, by the way, your species is extinct!" doesn't seem very humane or ethical to me.
You know... I didn't think I'd be the one to tell you this... but Locke2005, have you ever wondered why you were so much hairier than your "biological" father? Ever wonder why kids giggled when your name "Ug" was read in classrooms, and why you prefer deerskin over cashmir?
I'm sure you've come to the correct conclusion by now... If you don't believe me, the proof is right before your eyes. You're posting excitedly in a news post about mammoth burgers.
I'll let you get back to your flint and tinder... and... we're sorry about your entire species.
Of course that's fascinating, but what would they do with a mammoth? Polar bears are becoming endangered because of rising temperatures and mammoths have disappeared, supposedly because the climate was too warm. They'll have to build a large freezer to keep the beast alive--Jurassic Park meets Frosty the Snowman--or they might not find a place cold enough on Earth for that purpose.
What about the Dodo [wikipedia.org]? Any bits left?
That's a strange coincidence they're talking about this JP-like experiment a few weeks after Michael Crichton's death. Posthumous humour?
What about the Dodo [wikipedia.org]? Any bits left?
Save the dodo, extinct the coelacanth.
"If the Universe came to an end every time there was some uncertainty about what had happened in it, it would never have got beyond the first picosecond. And many of course don't. It's like a human body, you see. A few cuts and bruises here and there don't hurt it. Not even major surgery if it's done properly. Paradoxes are just the scar tissue. Time and space heal themselves up around them and people simply remember a version of events which makes as much sense as they require it to make.
"That isn't to say that if you get involved in a paradox a few things won't strike you as being very odd, but if you've got through life without that already happening to you, then I don't know which Universe you've been living in, but it isn't this one."
"Well, if that's the case," said Richard, "why were you so fierce about not doing anything to save the dodo?"
Reg sighed. "You don't understand at all. The dodo wouldn't have died if I hadn't worked so hard to save the coelacanth."
"The coelacanth? The prehistoric fish? But how could one possibly affect the other?"
"Ah. Now there you're asking. The complexities of cause and effect defy analysis. Not only is the continuum like a human body, it is also very like a piece of badly put up wallpaper. Push down a bubble somewhere, another one pops up somewhere else. There are no more dodos because of my interference. In the end I imposed the rule on myself because I simply couldn't bear it any more. The only thing that really gets hurt when you try and change time is yourself."
-- Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, Douglas Adams
Stephen Baxter's Behemoth [amazon.com] is an omnibus of three books which deal with mammoths. The third book is actually about mammoths being genetically engineered back into existence, and there is actually one individual who is halfway between elephant and mammoth. Very cool books.
Genetic expression is far more complex than we even imagined just a few years ago. Giving scientists a DNA map to use to recreate the organism would be like giving hurricane refugees a set of blueprints and telling them to go build their house...it takes more than the plans, it takes tools, skills, abilities, transcription information and techniques that simply do not exist and, in the case of transcription information, will never exist. This is all just PR with the wooly mammoth as a sexy icon. Who gets
Instead of fretting about the long-gone mammoth, [sciencedaily.com] why don't we prevent the extinction [bbc.co.uk] of thousands [wikipedia.org] of plant, [well.com] fish [greenpeace.org.uk] and animal [iucnredlist.org] species that is occurring EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY OF EVERY YEAR due to HUMAN ACTIVITY? [bbc.co.uk]
bank their tissue, and then resurrect as needed. we could have saved the baiji
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_River_Dolphin [wikipedia.org]
Forget rides to the space station or owning an electronic car company... the new must-have for tech multi-millionaires should be having your own herd of resurrected extinct species.
Somebody call Sergey and Larry and see if they can spare $10mm. Just don't fly the 767 for a few weeks and that'll save enough for the effort.
Then call Elon Musk and see if he wants to recreate the dodo or the Tasmanian tiger.
Or we make it trendy for celebrities -- forget adopting babies from Africa, the new trend is adopting and recreating extinct species! Get Angelina on board and everyone else will follow.
There's a series of books written by Jasper Fforde, starting with "The Eyre Affair", that are odd and funny science fiction books about an alternate universe where people truly care about books -- they have cults devoted to 'who really wrote the plays attributed to Shakespeare' and such -- but one side-note is that many people own cloned dodos (the heroine of the story has one from a batch that went wrong, so it's kind of stupid and gimpy) but, more relevantly, a huge multinational company that serves as th
"The same technology could be applied to any other extinct species from which one can obtain hair, horn, hooves, fur or feathers, and which went extinct within the last 60,000 years, the effective age limit for DNA."
Well, the mammoth technology works because they can implant the fertilised egg into an elephant, which is a close relative of the mammoth.
What happens when you try to clone a Tasmanian tiger? Where do you put the fertilised egg? Tasmanian devils are probably the most closely related, but still v
bring Michael Crichton back!
Things are not as simple as they seems at first. - Edward Thorp


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Apparently "The Peacock" isn't as impressed by the Bruins' offseason maneuverings as many hockey experts.
The NHL today released its national television schedules. While Boston will appear on VS 11 times, the Bruins are scheduled for just two NBC games — both of which would have to be flexed by the network.
There's no telling why the Bruins have been basically snubbed by NBC, but it's just as well. Even if NBC exercises its option on the Bruins' contests Sunday, Feb. 13 at Detroit and Sunday, April 10 at New Jersey, we're guaranteed a minimum 69 games on NESN featuring Jack Edwards and Andy Brickley, the only broadcast team you really want to hear call a Bruins game.
Here's a look at the Bruins' VS schedule:
Oct. 9 vs. Phoenix (at Prague)
Oct. 19 at Washington
Nov. 17 at NY Rangers
Nov. 22 at Tampa Bay
Dec. 7 vs. Buffalo
Dec. 20 vs. Anaheim
Dec. 28 at Tampa Bay
Jan. 10 at Pittsburgh
Feb. 9 vs. Montreal
March 29 vs. Chicago
April 4 at NY Rangers


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Announcement of ECL v9.4.0
ECL stands for Embeddable Common-Lisp. The ECL project aims to produce an
implementation of the Common-Lisp language which complies to the ANSI X3J13
definition of the language.
The term embeddable refers to the fact that ECL includes a lisp to C compiler,
which produces libraries (static or dynamic) that can be called from C
programs. Furthermore, ECL can produce standalone executables from your lisp
code and can itself be linked to your programs as a shared library.
ECL supports the operating systems Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris (at
least v. 9), Microsoft Windows and OSX, running on top of the Intel, Sparc,
Alpha and PowerPC processors. Porting to other architectures should be rather
ECL is currently hosted at Common-Lisp.net and SourceForge. The home page of
the project is http://ecls.sourceforge.net, and in it you will find source code
releases, a CVS tree and some useful documentation.
Notes for this release
This release is the first one with a new design of ECL, which includes changes
in the way streams are implemented, support for full Unicode character set,
safety against interrupts and serious performance improvements.
Known issues:
+ Threads and Unicode currently do not work in the Windows port.
Changes since 8.12.0
See file src/CHANGELOG or browse it online
http://common-lisp.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs. ... iew=markup


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9.1 The Library comprehensively collects music and music-related materials that form part of the documentary record of Australian culture, as part of the Library's national heritage responsibilities. Collecting includes published and unpublished music, personal and organisational papers, archival sound recordings of folklore, oral histories, pictures and ephemera documenting compositional and performance history, as well as materials that support research and study of music.
9.2 The aim is to provide access to music and music-related information for all Australians, as well as to meet the specific needs of the musical and research communities.
9.3 'Australian music' is defined as music created by Australians, or published in Australia, or associated with Australia by explicit Australian performance or subject reference. 'Creators' encompass composers, authors, librettists, arrangers, transcribers, editors, performers and illustrators who have musical, intellectual or textual responsibility. 'Australian creators' include those who were born or who have resided permanently in Australia, or who have continued to be recognised as Australian although residence in Australia has not been continuous, or who have been identified through work in Australia as Australian.
9.4 'Printed music' includes all types of 'notated music' published in scores, parts, anthologies, commentaries published with printed music, song and hymn books, as well as music represented by other media when such media forms an integral component of a notated music publication. 'Notated music' may appear in the following formats: print, facsimile, electronic (online, multimedia and digital), microform, braille, as well as in unpublished forms.
9.5 The Library collects books and serials related to music, primary source music collections and music information in accordance with the collection policy for print material.
9.6 The Library collects original materials related to music in any other format, e.g. pictures, ephemera, manuscript and oral history, in accordance with the collection policy for original materials.
9.7 The Library archives Australian music websites and digital music files and electronic publications as part of its ongoing commitment to archiving and preserving Australian content in electronic form, in accordance with the collection policy for electronic publishing.
9.8 The Library collects archival sound and audiovisual recordings with supporting textual material but does not actively collect commercially distributed sound or audiovisual recordings, except where these form part of a musician's personal archive.
Collecting: Australian
9.9 The Library has the largest research collection of music in Australia. Its strengths are in retrospective and contemporary Australiana, including sheet music, published and unpublished scores, and archival sound recordings of folk song and dance traditions in Australia.
9.10 In addition to the acquisition of individual published musical works, the Library holds and acquires major formed music collections. Formed music collections, which may contain both Australian and overseas music, are collected where they exemplify and reveal Australian musical creativity or the broader relationship of music to Australian culture, including music performance history. In some cases, formed collections may remain open for further material to be added by the collector if the collector continues to collect material for inclusion in the formed collection.
9.11 Extensive personal papers and music manuscripts of Australia's most significant composers and internationally or nationally recognised musical performers, scholars, critics and entrepreneurs are also actively collected by the Library's Manuscript Section. These collections include a wide range of correspondence, diaries, ephemera, personal papers and music sketches and autographs, as well as archival and published sound and audiovisual recordings where these represent an integral part of the musician's creative life. Other manuscript collections document the history of musical organisations and musical life in Australia. Pictures, portraits, programs, posters, tickets and other materials, held in the Prompt and pictures collections, document the history of Australian music, musicians and musical culture. Archival sound recordings and oral histories are collected to document the intangible musical heritage of Australia across a range of musical traditions, including folklore and vernacular music.
Australian Published Music
9.12 All types and styles of Australian printed music are collected: e.g. popular, classical, folk, church, dance, educational, film, children's, multicultural, Indigenous, jazz, band, instrumental, vocal and choral, theoretical and didactic, electronic.
9.13 Music published in Australia is subject to legal deposit provisions of the Copyright Act 1968. In addition to the copy deposited under the legal deposit provisions, the Library normally acquires a second copy of current Australian printed music, except for music published in Australia under licence from an overseas publisher, with no Australian association otherwise. The Library actively seeks to acquire one copy of retrospective music items to fill gaps in the existing music collection. One copy of current Australian musical works, published in facsimile score by the Australian Music Centre (AMC) under licence with Australian composers, is acquired primarily for the purposes of research and preservation.
9.14 Music published outside Australia that has an Australian association is also actively sought. This normally includes two copies of:
- music by Australian creators published overseas;
- music published overseas that is illustrated by Australian artists;
- music that has been performed by an Australian where the association of the performer to the music is stated explicitly on the publication, or where the musician is significantly represented elsewhere in the Library's collections.
One copy is sought of music that is published overseas and which contains no evidence of Australian content but is distributed in Australia by Australian agents.
Australian Digital Music
9.15 Digital music files are being both produced and collected by the Library, in response to changing modes of publishing, archiving and disseminating music. The Library's development of its digital music collection aims to make available digital copies of Australian music held in the Library's own music and related collections and to support the cooperative digitisation and delivery of items by other Australian institutions.
9.16 The Library also seeks to collect Australian 'digital music publications' which are collected in accordance with the Australian printed music selection criteria and definitions. These include:
- digital music scores made available as digital music files on the Web, on disk or in equivalent or emerging formats. This does not refer to additional media or electronic components that are included as part of a notated music work that has been published as a printed score and/or parts set;
- music websites, where these meet the PANDORA selection criteria.
9.17 Mixed media publications, which combine components of music in both printed and electronic forms, are actively collected (normally two copies), and the electronic component will be digitally preserved where possible. In cases where printed and electronic equivalents are available, both forms are collected.
Music Oral History and Folklore
9.18 Oral histories are recorded where they focus upon Australian composers and performers, music scholars, entrepreneurs or directors who have achieved distinction in the composition and performance of music, in Australia or overseas, or who have contributed significantly to the development of musical life or scholarship in Australia.
9.19 The Library supports an active field and studio archival sound recording program, collecting folk/vernacular music and dance traditions in Australia that often survive with few forms of written documentation. These archival sound recordings aim to capture the breadth and diversity of Australia's cultural traditions, both past and present, Indigenous and immigrant. They preserve forms of songs and dances handed down and transformed within diverse community settings and also document the social context for music making of various types. The acquisition of printed music also takes account of folklore acquisitions by collecting, where possible, notated folk music and dance sources that complement these oral traditions.
Unpublished Australian Music
9.20 Unpublished Australian music is collected either as part of the archives of Australian musicians, held in the Manuscript collection, or as special collections of Australian musical works or Australian musical organisations. When a special collection primarily contains sets of unpublished scores and parts (e.g. the Symphony Australia collection), these are acquired and managed within the music collection.
Access to the Collections
9.21 The music collection is made available primarily through the Library's catalogue at individual item level. Some collections are currently accessible only through collection level records; in this case a finding aid or index may be created with a link to the catalogue record. Where printed music is held in manuscript or other collections, these will be identified where possible through a finding aid, with the aim of providing some access through the catalogue.
9.22 The Library is digitising some of its most important music collections, making them accessible through the Library's digital collections and services. Integrated and collaborative access to Australian music resources and information, in multiple formats, is available through MusicAustralia, a service hosted by the Library in cooperation with libraries, archives, and specialist music organisations and distributors throughout Australia.
9.23 The ephemeral nature of printed and unpublished music scores and parts, their often unique or irreplaceable value and the fragile physical condition of some items means that their use and handling generally requires conditions that best ensure long-term survival and accessibility. These materials are made available for use under supervision through the Petherick Reading Room. Provided there are no preservation risks or copyright restrictions, copies of music can be made for readers within the Library or from offsite. Copies are also lent to other libraries. Original materials normally remain within the Library at all times, except where lent for exhibition or special purposes.
9.24 Archival sound recordings can also be listened to within the Petherick Reading Room and a keyboard and computer with music notation software is available to users. Increasingly, the delivery of sound via the web imposes additional requirements on service delivery, including access to speakers/headphones in the reading rooms. Digital delivery of selected Library audio materials is in development.
Relations with other Institutions
9.25 The policies and activities of other collecting institutions, particularly other national cultural institutions, the Australian Music Centre, state and specialist music libraries, all have a bearing on the Library's collecting priorities and procedures in relation to music.
9.26 The Library's role in acquiring published and unpublished notated music is complemented by the National Film and Sound Archive whose Recorded Sound Strategy aims to collect, preserve and provide access to published recordings and associated historical documentation representing the output of Australia's diverse recorded sound and radio industries. The National Film and Sound Archive also has particular collection strategies in relation to jazz, Indigenous music, music performance history and convergent audiovisual technologies, and the Library takes account of this when acquiring music, oral history, pictorial, ephemera and manuscript collections related to these areas.
9.27 In relation to sound recordings of folk or traditional music, the Library focuses upon its archival sound recording program rather than published recordings. The Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies is the principal repository for field or community recordings of traditional Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander music.
9.28 The Library is also working in partnership with the National Film and Sound Archive to develop mechanisms for integrated discovery access to music resources across multiple formats and to share information about approaches, standards and procedures related to the preservation and delivery of music and audiovisual objects in the digital environment.
9.29 The Library works in close cooperation with the Australian Music Centre (AMC) whose main role is to facilitate and encourage the performance and understanding of music by Australian composers. The Centre reproduces on demand Australian musical works, in performance scores and parts, by a licensing agreement with represented Australian composers. The Library actively acquires Australian Music Centre published material for the purpose of preservation and research, but by agreement refers users to the AMC for lending and performance use of musical items. The Library is also working with the AMC to establish guidelines and methods for collecting, archiving and delivering music scores produced or reproduced in digital form.
9.30 Some state, public and university libraries have specialist music or performing arts sections or branches, whose role is to support musical performance, as well as the research and study of music and public access to music resources in a range of formats. The Library does not duplicate this role of servicing musical performance in the community through the provision of sets and parts, except where it assists through archiving and providing access to unique materials that document creative and performance history in Australia, through agreement with such organisations as Symphony Australia. The library also supports cooperative planning and resource sharing in music by providing a leadership role and specialist curatorial expertise in music, including cooperative strategies for developing and maintaining digital collections.
9.31 Some institutions also have strong interest in acquiring music and original musical materials relating to the creation and performance of Australian music in their region, city or special areas of interest. There is also sometimes overlap between these institutions and performing arts archives. When seeking to acquire a special collection, the Library takes into account the likely research value of particular collections and the collecting interests of other Australian libraries and archives, giving consideration to collection strengths and the need to maintain the integrity of collections.


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|Wild Mustard
|Garlic Mustard
I've been crawling around in the wild the last few days gathering edibles for preserving. V and I went out early Saturday morning to hunt for ramps in the woods. Two grocery bags loaded into the back of the bike trailer and we were ready to go. Earlier this week I canned pickled ramps and froze ramp confit. I also prepared ramp soup and still have half a bag in the fridge to use fresh this week.
|Pickled Ramps
|Ramp Soup with Chive Yogurt (for the dairy-eaters)
|Ramp Confit
Lavender-Infused Dandelion Preserves
Makes 3-1/2 pts.
|Lavender-Infused Dandelion Jelly
3 c. dandelion blossoms, separated from leaves and bracts
3 c. purified water
1 1/2 c. xylitol
1/2 T. dried lavender
1/4 t. vanilla extract
2 t. calcium water (comes with Pomona pectin)
1 T. lemon juice
3 t. Pomona's Universal Pectin
Boil flowers in water on medium heat for about 10 min. In the meantime, add xylitol to food processor with vanilla and lavender, process until lavender is "dust" mixed into xylitol. After petals have boiled, strain from liquid and return liquid to pot and add calcium water and lemon juice, bring to a boil. In the meantime, to infused sugar, add pectin and stir to completely combine. When dandelion "juice" is boiling, add xylitol/pectin and stir constantly for 2 min. to completely dissolve sweetener. Return to boil then remove from heat. Filter through small colander placed over jar-filler and fill warm, sterilized 1/2-pint jars with jelly, leaving 1/4-inch headspace. Remove air bubbles, wipe rims, and cap with treated, sterilized lids. Adjust screw bands and load into hot water bath canner. Once canner is boiling, process jelly for 10 min. Remove carefully and let cool at room temperature until completely cool. Check seals. Label and store.
|Gray/"Silver" jacquard fabric
You may have heard that a temporary backyard hen ordinance has been passed in Milwaukee. There will be a one-year trial period, which I think is a completely fair way to approach the project versus continuing to just shoot down the proposals after listening too much to the opponents. Of course many people have contacted me wanting to know when I will have my chickens out back. I honestly didn't see this happening so soon and therefore I've already planted my entire backyard with veggies, not leaving any room for a coop or run. I'm interested in getting some beehives on our property first (next season) and am still running the chicken thing through my head considering my egg-free diet. I'd likely be the one taking care of them and then not getting much out of it foodwise--of course there's the beautiful manure and the bartering possibilities. But maybe I should wait until Vera's a little older and can help care for these critters and clean their house. By then perhaps I'll have my dream garage rooftop garden and can give up more of my backyard growing space to some family pets. For now I'll just live vicariously through a fellow craft blogger who keeps chickens in Madison.
I'd like to share a few snapshots of the spring garden to brighten up this dark, rainy spring day. Can't wait to see how things bust out once the sun returns.
|Espalier Apple Tree (with weight)
|Spinach from Coldframe
|Red Lima Beans


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An open space for global conversation
Bottom Line? The 1% is also using Gene Sharps non violent revolution strategy to bring the 1% into formal rule in America as President and Vice President for the 1%. Americans Elect is really the real world implementation of founder Peter Ackerman's book. Their agenda?
Well, they hope to elect Ron Paul who believes that anything not specifically authorized by the consiution is illegal , you know things like Social Security, Medicare, the Anti-Poverty Program, Environmental Law; who wants to abolish the Fed not to reform our Central Bank system but to end all government interefrence in wealth and wealth formation, who wants to overturn Roe V Wade.
This article lays out a bit about Peter Ackerman http://maidhcocathail.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/the-junk-bond-%E2%80...
What I have learned is that the tools of non violent reevolution are value neutral..they are tools that can be used effecitively to finish the coup the 1% have nearly achieved in America or to initiate change that we in the 99% movement seek. Independents are not all good guys..some like Eliot Cutler here in Maine ( a key figure in Americans Elect) are part of the corporatocracy seeking to take final and complete control .
Americans Elect is on the ballot in 11 states and the results of their efforts are headline news in Iowa.
The plan is clear..it is to attract a majority of independent voters who were key to Obama's win in 2008 and to strip off enough votes from the anger of the 99% movement as just blind votes for change to elect a president and vice president dedicated to serve the 1%.
Americans Elect is clearly 100% counter to what we in the 99% movement seek and it appears it is possible for them to use the anger and disappointment awakemded by the OWS movementto their advantage in delivering a final and complete victory for the 1% in America.
Who does OWS serve in not taking a more constructive and intentional role in completing the transfer of anger into informed civic action.?
If OWS insists on its noble "no program haunches", it hands America over to the 1%.
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I have nothing further to sayo the original intention of Americas Elect, Reason FFoundationn et al to put Ro Paul forawrd and I think they are now questioning that and looking to the other ":lead trackers" at the AE web site, Rick Santorum and the Lousianna guy ( whose name escapes me atthis exact moment). If you go the web sites of any of these top trackers at AE its all the same as a plat form.so idnetical it is hard to see ay distinctionn at all. So mahbe it would be corret to say AE has a very clear annd obviously discernible agenda and it is the exact opposite of whatthe 99% movement seeks ad believes in.
Still very eager to hear your clarificationn of what a "progressive" is. Whata progressive believes is good for america..what a "progressive" would deliver to t he 99% legislatively, constituionally? What "progressive" values Obama threw under the bus?
More to the poinnt, given your commets to date here, do you see AE as represnting and advancing these "progressive" values?
Then there is no proof that AE "hopes to elect Ron Paul", or any other candidate. Nor is there proof that AE has a clear plan "to attract a majority of independent voters who were key to Obama's win in 2008".
As I said before, I do not trust AE because of who is funding their political party. Further than that, I do not know what their plans are, but would not be surprised if it was revealed that they only want to benefit a very few minority within the upper 1%.
Other than an overwhelming dissatisfaction with our federal government and the direction in which they are taking America, I have yet to see any poll that clearly shows what the 99% want.
The only comment I will make about progressives, is that they are not just the product of the Democratic Party. This is only a modern phenomenon. Some of our greatest progressives have been Republicans. Just ask Teddy Roosevelt.
If you want to know more about progressives, then here is a much greater authority than me on the subject:
again..I didn't set out to prove anything or persudae ayone of anything..oly to share what I hadconcluded after independently investigating AE.
Thaks..ues I have read a lot about prpgressives..I was just tryig to get a sense of what yiu felt from the progressive movement got thrown uder a bus.
Kevin & all..here is a fascinating and completely different take on Americans Elect..don't know the blogger but there are some interesting observations here:
One of his arguements is that AE is a vehicle with no riders. That may be true but many here me included have said that what we need is a vehicle for non party non partisan workings in the elctoral process..which is what AE claims to be. IfI believed it was that or could be that I would be thrilled
Another of his arguemets is that third parties arise from natural coalition of interests with a well defined point of view on governance and priorities..in other words that as a Political Party which AE is already in 13 states and seeks to be in all 50 it is not valid as an empty vessel with no stated poinnt of view. I am not sure I agree with that...but without a response to that at this moment
Most interesting of all is his idea that Ackerman, founder and $5 million initial funder of AE has not abadoned Obama after all but is setting up an intentional "fly paper" for the uninformed and easily manipulated middle with the iintent of keeping this muddled uninformed center out of the two party vote process which will leave the competition and determination to regular party politics minus the muddled middle and give Obama a small victory. To that arguement I say..that's very interesting and possibly correct.
Fascinating all of it
Lindsay - here is another group that represents independent voters : http://www.independentvoting.org
They were created with the fall-out from the Perot movement. I personally question all political systems - but we are looking for something, so this conversation proceeds.
Hi Lemme ( love the bunny..don't have onne now but have had several who won my heart)
Thanks for the link to independent voting..I see we don't have one here in Maine..we have One Maine which is headed by Eliot Cutler also a key figure in Americas Elect. inedpendent voting looks more like what I was hoping for.
I would be really interested to know whether you have any take on Americans Elect?


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GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. (KKCO) - The Grand Junction BLM has been working on a new Resource Management Plan over the past few years, and now a draft of the document is ready for public input.
The last revision came in 1987, and the Grand Junction Field Office has been working hard since 2008 to draft a plan they hope gives the most good to the most people.
"We have an amazing resource here," said Dave Grossman, Grand Valley Trails Alliance. "I want to make sure that all our community and my children have the opportunity to enjoy the trails into the future."
Public lands is one touchy issue throughout the valley.
"People really love their public lands, love to recreate on them," said Collin Ewing, Bureau of Land Management. "It's really important to the economy both for recreation, for oil and gas development, all sorts of things like that."
So when it came time to start revising the Resource Management Plan, the BLM took it step by step.
"A lot of people are concerned that the BLM is going to close trails," said Grossman, "and that's not going to happen, especially if the public comes out and provides good input."
Because nothing is set in stone yet, now is the time to speak up.
"There are a lot of different competing uses out there and different ideas in how routes should be managed," said Chris Pipkin, Bureau of Land Management, "and we want to make sure that we hear all of those inputs."
"We know it's not perfect," said Ewing, "we've got a long way to go before we finalize this RMP, but we need that public involvement and input so we can do a good job on the final RMP."
This plan entails more than meets the eye.
"It covers everything from oil and gas to coal, sand and gravel, recreation,travel management,livestock, grazing, wildlife," said Ewing.
And the list goes on, but if all of the ins and outs get overwhelming, the BLM wants the public to understand one thing.
"The types of use and the modes of access may vary, but in no case will lands be completely shut off to public use," said Pipkin.
The BLM is holding an open meeting at the Fruita Civic Center from 4:30 PM - 7:30 PM on Thursday. They'll take all ideas and comment to make the current RMP draft into a proposal by the end of 2014.
Those who can't make it to the meeting can submit comments via email or mail. The public comment period will close April 25th.
For more information, visit the website listed below.


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Retailer reveals new Palm is the Treo 500v
Vodafone will launch it tomorrow
Palm's new Euro-centric smartphone, due to be announced tomorrow, is indeed based on the design that's been doing the rounds of the rumour sites since June. It will be released by Vodafone, under the Treo 500v moniker.
The confirmation comes courtesy of Dutch handset retailer The Phone House, which posted details in a brochure that was spotted by fansite WMExperts and others. Here's a scan of the page:
The Phone House's Treo 500v promo
The Phone House brochure gives little else away: the 500v is a 3G device, but that's no great surprise. Palm recently confirmed it's not a Centro.
Other reports claim the handset will sport a 320 x 240 display - up from the 750's 240 x 240 - and 150MB of on-board memory, expandable using Micro SD cards. It's said to have Bluetooth 2.0 and a two-megapixel main camera.
Size? 11 x 6.1 x 1.6cm, so slightly wider and thinner than the 5.8cm-wide, 2cm-thick Treo 750.
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Rookie Looks To Add Wright Stuff On Special Teams
Following the opening practice of OTAs that was open to members of the media last week, I asked a member of the Bengals front office staff if there were any little-known players that had impressed him that day.
"James Wright," he answered.
Wright is the wide receiver and special teams ace out of LSU that Cincinnati selected in the 7th round of this year's draft. After receiving that positive review of the rookie from one Bengals staffer, I asked wide receivers coach James Urban what he thought of Wright's first day on the field.
"I saw today what I thought I'd see and what I hoped to see," Urban told me. "We did a lot of research on him – a lot of credit goes to our scouts – and I think we had a pretty good read on him. He's got to grow and keep getting better, but he competed his tail off and did not look out of place today."
If you only looked at Wright's receiving stats in college, it might have been a head-scratcher when the Bengals drafted him. He finished his college career with just 25 catches including zero his senior year.
"He was in a situation where LSU primarily played with two receivers and those two were drafted in the first round (Odell Beckham) and the second round (Jarvis Landry)," said Urban. "He found a beautiful role and embraced it as a special teams star down there."
"Life is a challenge," said Wright. "You have to adapt to whatever is in front of you and make the best of the situation. That's what I felt that I did in college and did it to the best of my ability."
Wright started at wide receiver in the BCS Championship game as a sophomore and began the following season in the same role. But an injury early in his junior year altered his college career.
"James was a starter at wide receiver before he hurt his shoulder and lost his spot," said Bengals special teams coordinator Darrin Simmons. "He got 'Wally Pipped.' The guy that took his place wound up being a second round pick. James didn't get a great chance to play on offense as a senior, but he played very effectively in the kicking game. He was a dominant special teams player."
"He was our captain on special teams in every game," said rookie running back Jeremy Hill (Wright's teammate at LSU). "He was the guy that everyone looked up to for being unselfish. He didn't score a touchdown in his college career but he didn't care. He still went hard every day in practice and in the games."
"My senior year, all I did was special teams and I enjoyed it," said Wright. "It's one-third of football, so it gives you a chance to play.
"They gave me the captain's role and I tried to lead by example. Every time I had a rep, I went 100% and that's the approach I want to keep."
Following the departure of Andrew Hawkins in free agency, Simmons is looking at Wright as a potential replacement for Hawkins as one of the team's "gunners" in punt and kick coverage.
"He'll have an opportunity to come in and compete to be that guy," Simmons told me. "Anytime in this league that you can get coverage production from a receiver that's a huge positive. Usually when you think of receivers you think of returners, but somebody has to go tackle those returners. You can't have all defensive players on special teams; you have to get some help from offensive guys."
"In college I did a little bit of everything," said Wright. "I was the gunner in punt coverage, I ran down on kickoffs, I was the corner against the gunner – I did a little bit of everything.
"Whatever they ask me to do and anything that I can bring to the table, I'm going to bring it to the best of my ability and see where that takes me."
In the battle to make the roster in a crowded group at wide receiver, Wright's prowess at special teams could obviously help his case.
"I think the biggest job that I have with some of these young guys is getting the message across that unless you come in here as a high pick or you're a starter, the way you get to play is by being effective in the kicking game," said Simmons. "If you come in already knowing that because that's what you did in college, then you're a step ahead of everybody else."
"I'm excited for him," said Hill. "I think he's going to continue to impress these coaches and impress the fans and he's going to find a role and make this team."
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Q: I've heard that SQL Server stores the clustering key (the columns that define the clustered index) in the nonclustered indexes. Why is that? And is this a factor I should consider when choosing my clustering key?
A: Yes, the clustering key is stored in each and every nonclustered index on the table, and this is a big factor in choosing a clustering key. The clustering key is stored in the nonclustered indexes because SQL Server uses the clustering key to look up the corresponding row from a nonclustered index into the base table. However, why SQL Server does this isn't intuitive or obvious, so I'll explain using the typical analogy for nonclustered indexes—indexes in the back of a book. All the indexes in a book point to the same data, but they let you look something up in different ways. In a book, the actual data is found using a page number. In a SQL Server table with a clustered index, the data is found using the clustering key.
So, why doesn't SQL Server use the page number to find the table records exactly as an index in the back of a book? If the table doesn't have a clustered index, it actually does use the page numbers! The data records in a heap (i.e., a table without a clustered index) can be referenced using only their physical location in the data file, rather than their logical location in the clustered index. This can lead to interesting performance issues if the heap data record needs to change location for any reason. When the table has a clustered index, it doesn't matter what the physical location of the data record is—it can always be found using the clustering key.
So the nonclustered indexes must include the clustering key to enable the data records to be found (for instance, to retrieve table columns that are in a query SELECT list, but aren't present in the nonclustered index the query optimizer chose to process the query). But what is a good clustering key choice? Given that the clustering key is included in all nonclustered indexes, it makes sense that the clustering key should be as small as possible and that it shouldn't change so that the nonclustered indexes don't have to change in turn.
Ultimately, what you're really looking for is a clustering key that's narrow, static, and unique, as well as one that doesn't cause excessive fragmentation. This combination is the part that doesn't jump out at you when you're defining your schema/indexes, and, as a result, goes unnoticed until you see problems. Typical problems include inserts that are running slower or even timing out; queries that are running slower because of excessive I/Os; databases growing rapidly (especially the transaction log) because fragmentation (i.e., page splits) takes significantly more log space; and overall data bloat (e.g., wasted space, wasted cache, wasted space in backups). So, although these assessments should be true, they're not always true and that's often the problem.
Now you know why the clustering key is in the nonclustered indexes, as well as how it affects the nonclustered indexes. These facts should influence your choice of the clustering key. Some examples of good clustering keys include clustering on an identity and clustering on a combination of columns.
A clustering key that is an identity column is naturally unique, narrow, and static, and it naturally reduces fragmentation by limiting inserts to the end of the table. A clustering key that is a combination of columns such as (OrderDate, OrderID) in tables that have varying access patterns (and possibly partitioning) is also naturally unique and static, is relatively narrow, and naturally reduces fragmentation by limiting inserts to the end of the table. In addition, a combination clustering key can be used for range queries. Although I wouldn't choose a clustering key based on range queries, I would certainly leverage it if it were available.
A cluster key based on a GUID can be OK, but there are many issues to contend with depending on how the GUID is being generated. Using the client (e.g., .NET) to generate the GUIDs can be extremely problematic. GUIDs are definitely unique, relatively narrow (however, at 16 bytes they're quite a bit wider than an integer-based identity), and should be static (although this would be application dependent). However, client-generated GUIDs create a tremendous amount of index fragmentation because there's no pattern to their inserts.
Using the server-side function NEWID() to generate the GUIDs can be extremely problematic for exactly the same reasons as client-side GUID generation. Generating GUIDs using the server-side function NEWSEQUENTIALID() offers the same benefits as for client-side GUIDs (unique, relatively narrow, static), but there are some potential problems. Instead of creating a lot of index fragmentation, these GUIDs are relatively sequential. They're generally ever-increasing values, but because of how they're generated, the base value on which they're defined might change (typically because of a server restart or time change on the server, but there are other factors). As a result, they significantly reduce index fragmentation but they don't eliminate it. Most tables see only 5 to 10 percent index fragmentation instead of the 99 percent index fragmentation that a client-side or NEWID()-generated GUID causes.


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Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 3rd Aug 2006 22:14 UTC
An attacker could gain complete control over a laptop by sending malformed network traffic to a vulnerable computer, David Maynor, a senior researcher at security service provider SecureWorks, said in a presentation at the Black Hat security event. Maynor, along with researcher Jon 'Johnny Cache' Ellch, showed a video of a successful attack on an Apple Computer MacBook. However, the attack is possible also on other computers, both laptops and desktops, and not just MacBooks, the researchers said. The recent security fixes issued by Intel are not related to this issue.


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Pretty impossible to tell, I'd say, without any glimpse of their faces
Sorry, I haven't looked at this thread in a while. I actually did figure this one out. The taller guy is Edmond. The shorter guy is Bennie. If think this is in Edmond's archive. I don't remember exactly which day, but he was only their for a few days, so it shouldn't be too hard to find.


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PINEVILLE, Ky. -- The Tennessee Tech men's golf team started the
season in strong fashion Monday with a solid first round score that
put the Golden Eagles in fourth place, but they slipped a bit in
the second round.
After 36 holes, coach Craig King's team heads into the final round Tuesday in 10th place, just four shots out of fifth place as the lower half of the standings appear aimed for a fighting finish.
Murray State scorched the course with two team scores under par (282-284--566) and holds a commanding 21-shot lead over John A. Logan College (292-295--587) in second place. Southern Illinois (589) is third with Belmont (592) in fourth place.
The remaining six teams are all within four shots, led by Bellarmine and UT Martin at 602, Lipscomb, Walters State and Morehead State at 605, and the Golden Eagles at 606. Tech shot a 299 in the first round, but slipped to a 307 on its second tour of the 6,820-yard, par 72 Waioto Hills Golf Course.
Junior Tyler Cassetty opened with a two-under 70 but jumped to a 79 in the second round, finishing the day tied for 16th place at 149. Lee Maxwell is next for Tech, tied for 21st place after shooting 74-76--150. Greg Kitts (76-78--154) is tied for 44th place, freshman Mason Griffin (79-76--155) is tied for 48th, and Travis Ramsey (81-77--158) is 55th.
Individually, freshman Sam Schrock shot 82-71--153 and is tied for 39th place.


text: We seem to have gotten an early look at Battlefield 3's Battlelog, thanks to screenshots that spent a short time on the German Battlefield site (via Battlefieldo). The screens show off the community feed, chat, and profile features, but they were quickly pulled from the site for unspecified reasons. This seems to be taking some cues from Autolog, the racing community features introduced in Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit and now being applied to EA's other racing franchises. Social shooting features are evidently the hip trend this year, with rival Activision's own chief shooter franchise Call of Duty also launching social features, through the subscription-based Elite service. Battlelog community feed


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West Middle School Principal Maceo Rainey thinks he's got something that will get through to some of his toughest kids.
Rainey is bringing in a former NFL cornerback Mike Richardson from the 1985 Super Bowl Champion Chicago Bears.
Richardson, who was known as a "L.A. Mike" because of his Compton upbringing, has had a very hard and public fall from celebrity.
Since leaving football in 1989, Richardson's life revolved around drug addiction and prison until 2010 when he .
Rainey hand-selected students at his school to participate and invited some of his fellow west side principals at Roosevelt Alternative High School, Auburn High School and Kennedy Middle School to do the same and join him.
Richardson will address about 60 students at West Friday afternoon.
"He's going to talk to the students, and we're going to play the 'Super Bowl Shuffle' that he's in," Rainey said. "He's going to tell them his story. ... He's got a very powerful story."
Richardson grew up on the rough streets of L.A. He played football for Arizona State University and was drafted by the Bears. His football career was followed by years of drug abuse.
Now in recovery, Richardson speaks to young people about making good choices in life.


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Long live public transport!
Approximate distance travelled for 5 €:
5 km versus 100 km
Passenger entertainment:
Smart phone/Ipad/Laptop versus cheerful pop music at top volume
+- 30 seconds of indicated time versus + ½ hours to 4 hours of indicated time
Likelihood of breakdowns:
0.048 % versus 48 %
Time needed to travel 20 km:
10 minutes versus 2-5 hours (depending on breakdowns)
Additional charges:
100 CHF if caught without ticket versus ca. double the regular price because of vazaha (foreigner) abuse
Non-human passengers:
Dogs, of course with leash and muzzle versus chickens, possibly goats
Views of scenery:
Magnificent versus stunning
I'd say it's a clear tie!
Volunteer Marie Fischborn, WWF Madagascar 2013


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Blofeld and Baxter: Memories of a Test Match Special
Lyric Theatre
- Booking until: Monday, 22 September 2014
Blofeld and Baxter: Memories of a Test Match Special description
Following a sell-out 28 date UK tour, a BBC Radio 4 show and a return season at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe, Henry Blofeld and Peter Baxter invite you to join them for a behind the scenes exclusive of what makes TMS so special.
Hear tall tales from across the globe from Brian Johnston to Jonathan Agnew and discover the extraordinary escapades of players both on and off the pitch. They will regale you with even more untold stories from memory lane and offer 'direct from the booth' insights from the Ashes and a summer of cricket.
Henry 'My Dear Old Thing' Blofeld is one of Britain's most loved broadcasters and a bastion of the cricketing community. He is as notorious for his hilarious observations as he is for his astute cricket commentary.
Peter Baxter was the brain behind TMS for over 34 years; the man tasked with the unenviable position of corralling Henry and his cohorts around the world.
Together they offer a hilariously entertaining show for both cricket and non-cricket lovers alike.
Playing at Lyric Theatre
29 Shaftesbury Avenue, London, W1D 7ES (venue info)Directions
Age restrictions
Recommended for ages 12+


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For anyone who didnt get why bundling MSSE with Win8 was a terrible idea, this is it. I guarentee it is now the very first thing malware authors test against prior to release, and the number one target for circumvension. Previously McAfee and Norton were heavily targetted for circumvention, and had correspondingly bad scores; now its MSSEs turn.
Really, its eerie how perfectly the timing corresponds with Win8's release.
Hooray monoculture! Hooray killing off a previously viable AV option!
So whatever next comes out on top for market share will be the target. So what?
You don't even need to have the top 10 virus scanners installed even locally, there are websites that will happilly test your particular malware against the top 10 for you, automagically.
I don't see the point of your message, honestly.
The point is that MSSE was basically the best AV because it has no financial interest in bugging the user to upgrade to a pro version or to use scare tactics. Now that MSSE is out of the race, we're back to "OK" avs with complicated interfaces and upgrade prompts all over the place.
Users tended to love MSSE because it shut up and did its job, unlike most of the alternatives.
Except, I think, that the point of the article is that MSSE *WASN'T* doing its job.
Or at least not doing it well.
MSSE does its job, and does it well. The main point where it "fails" is detecting zero day stuff or stuff that is rarely or never detected outside the labs.
Zero day stuff is detected with heuristics. Heuristics are the main cause for massive amount of false positives. MSSE has it set to low on purpose - to minimize constant "I've detected something that sorta, kinda, might possibly, maybe, be something that remotely resembles a virus" that many other AV suites tend to get.
So unless you're being actively targeted by zero day virii (and these tend to be costly, so private person is highly unlikely to be a target), MSSE is probably the best option on the market. It's free, it doesn't have overly right heuristics engine telling you that compressed executables are potential viruses, it's fast because it doesn't do those intensive heuristics scans.
And it detects most non-zero day stuff just fine.
And that's the reality of it. If you're a company, or a person in need of some extra chance of detecting zero day threats at expense of significant loss of system resources as well as dealing with false positives, you should look elsewhere. If you're just a home user with sane security policy, MSSE is likely the best choice for you.
I strongly recommend you read microsoft's answer. It's very through in why the entire "certification" is basically yet another attempt to scare people into buying anti-malware suite.
Below are the main bullet points of MS's answer in addition to factor mentioned above:
1. AV-Test reports on samples hit/missed by category. We report (and prioritize our work) based on customer impact.
2. AV-Test's test results indicate that our products detected 72 percent of all "0-day malware" using a sample size of 100 pieces of malware. We know from telemetry from hundreds of millions of systems around the world that 99.997 percent of our customers hit with any 0-day did not encounter the malware samples tested in this test.
3. AV-Test's test results indicate that our products missed 9 percent of "recent malware" using a sample size of 216,000 pieces of malware. We know from telemetry that 94 percent of these missed malware samples were never encountered by any of our customers.
So unless you're being actively targeted by zero day virii (and these tend to be costly, so private person is highly unlikely to be a target), MSSE is probably the best option on the market.
I've run a home computer for about 20 years... I got hit by one virus running win2k back in 2005.
My policy is just to run a local (mostly hardware based) firewall, and not run anything stupid. It works.
I'm not sure why anyone uses antivirus software, especially consumers... it just annoys, and nothing else.
Because people do things like open files in emails from friends, have people they know stick USB thumb drives in their machines and so on. These are infection vectors that you can't really handle with a firewall.
to me this just proves that the anti-virus vendors are busy making malware to be detected. Microsoft is busy making other things, and isnt spending time making shit to prove that their AV is good enough.
But it shut up!
Reminds me of how I saved the day at work one time. Backups were taking forever and killing I/O intensive processes. I redirected those puppies to
I got a new job not long after. Heard the old place went out of business soon after I left...something about failed DR incident. Rubes.
The point is that MSSE was basically the best AV because it has no financial interest in bugging the user to upgrade to a pro version or to use scare tactics. Now that MSSE is out of the race, we're back to "OK" avs with complicated interfaces and upgrade prompts all over the place.
Users tended to love MSSE because it shut up and did its job, unlike most of the alternatives.
If you read Microsoft's response, they are concentrating on anything that exists in the wild, not absolutely everything in the world.
I rune MSSE and also do a weekly scan with another paid virus scanner, and neither has detected anything that the other missed, other than
Avira has found several false positives.
Sorry, but last time I checked, which happened to be last weekend, MSSE found exactly one "threat" on my Win PC, which was EICAR(!).
Kaspersky detected 280+ threats, mainly Metasploit components but Kaspersky also found threats within the Quarantine of Symantec.
I'm anything but a Microsoft lover, but I have to defend them.
About a million years ago, back during the DOS era, a friend and I wrote an anti-virus suite (the ARF Antivirus, maybe you can still find it online, though I don't recommend that you use it!). It was quite effective; we used the file integrity approach, and stored the integrity information in the files themselves. (We were up front about it; some people don't like that, so we said, hey, you don't like it, just don't use our stuff. No hard feelings.)
Ergo, I think I can at least offer an opinion that's slightly above drooling moron status.
One of my biggest complaints about AV tests is that they're unrealistic. This has been years ago, now, so maybe it has changed, but back then, the folks who did the testing were arrogant and very hard to deal with. Your software had to produce a
Once you made them happy, then they tested it against every virus they could find, including some that WERE NOT (and never would be) in the wild.
Bottom line, and to make a long story short: the people who were writing AV software back then were writing it for these tests, and not for the real world. I don't know if that's the case nowadays; I just don't know. (For that matter, maybe Microsoft's stuff really does suck. Given how badly their stuff worked back in the DOS era, it wouldn't surprise me. But I just don't know.)
But fair is fair. I ran from that circus after about a year of endless arguments with the pompous egotists in Compuserve's Anti Virus forum. I don't know if it's still that way, but I haven't used anyone else's anti virus stuff in years (I protect my stuff a different way, primarily by using secured Linux with good backups, and with periodic integrity checks).
Proof that I'm an old timer: my used of the term "anti virus." It's not called that nowadays. It's Malware Detection, Security Software and Shields and Bad Guy Blockers(tm). I must update my terminology and get with the times.
That was the proof for me.
Actually, you just summarized microsoft's answer there. They even provide accurate numbers to back up your point along with making your point.
But I'll also add this condemnation of Microsoft. I haven't traced through their OS in many, many years, so to be fair to them, things like this may no longer be the case. But back in the day, they were *notorious* for repackaging the same code over and over and over. DOS was well-understood by that point and its vulnerabilities were well-known and easily exploited.
All because Microsoft couldn't even be bothered to reassemble or recompile key parts of the kernel.
For example, I did one of the first analysis (analysees?) of the so-called "antiexe" virus. DOS 5 through DOS 6.22 were so similar, the freakin' offsets in the kernel didn't even change(!). The entry point to the DOS kernel was in the same exact location in all. Antiexe simply looked up the DOS data segment address, then started poking in junk at the *fixed* (and known) offset of the entry point of the kernel. That way, it could bypass most current security software. (But not ours. Grin.)
Our system also addressed a killer bug (first discovered by Geoff Chappel) that Microsoft had known about, but had apparently not bothered to patch: if the partition table was recursive -- i.e., an extended table pointed back to itself -- the computer would hang during the boot. Even booting onto a floppy wouldn't work! As soon as the kernel on that floppy started trying to examine and mount the hard drive's partitions, it would loop forever. Hang tight.
I can't even imagine how many people carried their computers into a shop, only to have the tech tell them that their hard drive was defective. (I know of a couple of cases myself.)
I guarantee it is now the very first thing malware authors test against prior to release, and the number one target for circumvention.
That is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. Forces the company to improve its products.
We don't need more security through obscurity.
It wont matter is MS improves, before the new daily compile of TDSS or whatever malware is released, it will be scanned with latest MSSE defs and heuristics. The malware will then be tweaked to get around it.
This isnt new, whats new is that whereas before the malware author had to try to bypass 5-10 different heuristics and defs lists, now it goes for one and hits 80% of the market.
At least with MSSE it will silently update, millions of users running security software that isn't up to date isn't doing them any favours either.
For anyone who didnt get why bundling MSSE with Win8 was a terrible idea, this is it. I guarentee it is now the very first thing malware authors test against prior to release, and the number one target for circumvension. Previously McAfee and Norton were heavily targetted for circumvention, and had correspondingly bad scores; now its MSSEs turn.
Really, its eerie how perfectly the timing corresponds with Win8's release.
Hooray monoculture! Hooray killing off a previously viable AV option!
I'm sorry...but the main reason MSSE was successful in gaining marketshare wasn't simply a matter of it having microsoft's branding... it was the least obtrusive, most user-transparent, comparatively fast, full-featured and free. For years, AV/security companies have been churning out new products with more, heavy, useless "features" that just create more bloat....some of them even add entirely programs that the user gets to install and have *always* running in the background.
People want security, but they don't want security at the expense of obscene performance losses. This is where the popular AV/security companies should have taken notice and met customer demands...rather than trying to bundle all this "value" shit and obtuse flashy menu and window designs. Lots of quality products typically end up as bloatware when they increase in popularity (i.e., AVG, AVAST).
With MSSE, Microsoft gave people an acceptable level of protection with none of the baggage that its competitors were plagued with.
I installed MSSE on every windows machine I cleaned up. Once I used it once I never could bring myself to use anything else. It works well enough and it actually doesn't take over the computer. All the other ones I used seemed as if the only purpose of the computer was to run the anti-virus software. I hate MS and mostly use linux or mac but my VM's have MSSE on them and so do the boxes I clean up for friends.
This is where the popular AV/security companies should have taken notice and met customer demands...rather than trying to bundle all this "value" shit and obtuse flashy menu and window designs.
The reason for this is simple: out of sight, out of mind. Why would you pay for something so transparent you didn't even know it was there?
If your AV software isn't constantly reminding you of the threat of viruses and malware, are you going to take it seriously when it comes to resubscription time?
The companies pushing paid AV software want the user to cough up again when the user gets the "Resubscribe or face the terrible consequences!" message. They want the user to think "Hm, well this thing bugged me c
So what. AV crapware, regardless of vendor, is the wrong solution to the problem anyway.
When people have invested time and money into learning and deploying a technology, there is no argument, no matter how rational, that will persuade them to use something different.
It's a very sad state of affairs.
Popularity shouldn't be based on the number of installs, but the number of people who use it, and how often they use it. Microsoft has more or less forced people to install Microsoft Security Essentials, so I don't think it's a fair comparison at all. I don't use it, but it's there and Windows Update gets psychotic with errors and alerts if it's uninstalled. More so than if it's not "genuine" even!
They actually do test for performance under the usability category, and their results (bitdefender as top pick) matches the results from the well respected AV Comparatives, and the rest of their results arent much different-- those top 3 you mention are all AV Comparatives top picks ( http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_sum_201212_en.pdf [av-comparatives.org] )
Might have been nice if you actually did some research before spouting off.
I find it odd lavasoft shows a higher score than kerpasky for the home windows 7 group... yet their 3 (or 4 if you include useability) shows kerpasky being much better than lavasoft
I use MSE in large part because it's really lightweight. Norton is a pig and AVG never failed to fuck itself up on my system. And so far I've had no malware issues, so I'm inclined to believe them here even those my experience is anecdotal.
I used McAfee for the last 10 years, which tends to be a hog as well, but did a good job at protecting my system.
When I recently built my new Windows 8 system I considered using MSE, but the problem is that I still don't fully trust it. I did some research and decided to go with Avast! So far, I find it to be very lightweight and was happy to find that they also have a mobile Android version.
I doubt this company tests all those AV suites out of the kindess of their own heart. A "test" commissioned by the for-profit AV industry is going to show their products in a favorable light. (Or you'll never see it published)
AV at this point is damn near snake oil. Well, at least anything beyond the coverage that MSE provides.It keeps old threats from spreading, which is good. It's damn foolish to be hit by a 2 year old virus. In the enterprise/buisness having an AV suite is just PR move. A CYA to show tha
An interesting part of the El Reg story:
The AV-Test results show that Microsoft's twin security programs protected against 100 per cent of known threats, as did every other security suite. The two packages produce low rates of false positives in comparison to the competition and are significantly lighter on processor load during operations.
But where Redmond is falling down is in protecting against zero-day attacks. Security Essentials and Forefront both scored last in this regard among all the suites tested, getting 78 per cent of zero-days apiece. Blackbird said that AV-Test attached too much importance to the zero-day threat in its metrics, since that section of the testing accounts for 50 per cent of the final score, but Marx argued that zero-day performance was crucial to real-world threats.
But how do they test for effectiveness against zero-day attacks? Where do they get the zero-days from? If I'm a virus author I'd test my zero day with one of those websites ( http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/7-reliable-sites-quick-free-anti-virus-scan/ [makeuseof.com] ) that scan for viruses with practically all the AV software in the market.
So the zero day when finally released will NOT be detected by ANY of them!
Maybe what an AV vendor could do is secretly work with these AV websites to detect suspicious activity..
Heuristics. Basically AV vendors set their software to look for something, anything that could be judged as "virus like" and flag it.
As a result, tester's top AV software picks are also top picks in hogging system resources, and tend to produce ridiculous amounts of false positives. Because that's what massively overly tight settings on heuristics engine will do. But AV vendors sell FEAR first and foremost. The more "scary stuff" their AV finds, the more likely user will think "oh this AV just saved me from losing my bank account!" and buy more.
MSSE has worst success in zero day detection because their heuristics engine is one of the more sane ones on the market. It's light on resources and rarely (in comparison to the top picks of that tests) produces false positives. As a result, it also has a higher chance of missing zero day stuff that might have been detected by extremely aggressive heuristics scanner.
They do more than look for things that are "virus like". At least in the case of Avast!, they now block any application that's new or obscure just in case it might be zero-day malware, and I believe other antivirus companies do the same thing. This means they're 100% effective against new malware at the cost of having a 100% false positive rate on new or exotic software. Doesn't even have to be that obscure either - I've had Avast block a moderately well-known game off Steam because not enough people run it
Real World (TM) experience here - we use McAfee in our enterprise (happens to be a university) and if I had a dollar for every zero-day Virus that goes completely unchecked by McAfee I could quit my day job. McAfee went weeks on the Mac before it could even detect Flackback - as a good example.
Virus scanners only catch low hanging fruit - I wouldn't count on them for detecting zero-day attacks and vulnerabilities - because they don't work.
And, that is the most relevant quote.
MSSE is as competent in known threads, while giving less false positives and being significantly lighter.
You don't have to be an anti-virus developer to realize that of the three desirable characteristics: "good at zero day", "few false positives", "light/fast" you can only get up to 2. And Microsoft does get 2 here and, according to that same test, they get those 2 pretty well.
And of those 3 characteristics, I have to say Microsoft bet on the right 2, since apart from t
So long as you keep your software updated then there's not really much of a point other than the chance you'll spread an infected file onward without being infected yourself.
Think. No, that's not good enough, think some more: Viruses (we are explicitly talking viruses here, says "Antivirus" right in the test and headline) exploit unpatched vulnerabilities (mistakes) in software. Patched software is immune to the prior vulnerabilities, so AV won't "protect" you from things you're immune to. It also won't protect you from viruses with signatures that it doesn't know about. So, What's the point of wasting all those CPU cycles scanning? Oh, maybe you got infected and it could remove it later? WRONG. Viruses actually mutate, say a malware author snags a virus, they reverse engineer how the payload is delivered and they change the payload to theirs and send it on its way -- The malware can even install other malware once it gets running. So, the (automated) removal options/instructions are probably not complete if the code has ever had a chance to run before. Ah, so now you may be thinking that it's exactly the reason why you'd waste CPU time on an AV scan, to detect infection so at least you'll know -- Except that's just silly. Think. If you were a spy and I asked you if you were a spy then would you say yes? An AV running in an infected machine can not reliably determine the state of the infected machine. AV: "Any Viruses here" Virus: "Nope!"
Often times I'll get people telling me, no matter which AV product they're using, that their machine is working strange, slower, showing adverts and wrong websites, and their AV will be chugging along saying everything is fine. You get more reliable warning from the malware itself! "You may have been Infected with 2042 viruses!" the scareware will prompt every boot, while Norton, or McAfee, or AVG, or ANY AV product I run across the infected machine says the coast is clear. You can't "remove" malware -- Nuke it from orbit, and re-install, it's the only way to be sure.
Look, people, hardware supports virtualization now. If you're NOT running your Windows boxen in a VM, then you're not concerned enough about security to benefit from an anti-virus anyway. Boot from a known clean state, maybe even a LiveCD/USB then do your virus scanning from there if you want to be able to detect anything with any degree of certainty, and even then it's questionable. If your data partition is separate from your (virtual) OS partitions then you can just always run (or restore) from a known good snapshot, and install updates to the known good snapshots, then make another snapshot before you do anything else.
I'm no Microsoft apologist, I don't have to worry about such things as much anymore because I use an OS that gets the patches out much faster than MS does, but I can certainly see where the people who understand the issues in Microsoft might realize that Antivirus isn't really the right option anyway, it's just a waste of time and there are other better solutions... Windows Steady State (or whatever it's called now), for example.
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If I am to understand that you are saying antivirus is pointless, then I disagree. I do agree with some of your points on other ways to mitigate risks. However, VM is not viable for majority of users because VMs haven't mastered the pass through needed for some important hardware. It is also a conceptual layer of abstraction that many lay users will find too confusing. Eventually everything they have is installed in the VM. You can't expect them to constantly make good decisions about how to separate p
Though, how often have we seen the statement "That's only a proof-of-concept, there's no need to worry about it because we haven't seen it in the wild." followed within weeks by announcements of that same malware appearing in the wild (and usually on a large scale)? I've long since filed "It's only a proof of concept." right alongside "What could possibly go wrong?" as a virtual guarantee that Murphy'll be visiting shortly.
A substantial part of their score was for things that very specifically were not actively being exploited. They were testing the heuristics to see if it could identify "virus and malware-like behavior". You can't rely on software updates and AV definition updates to protect you from zero-day's, that's 100% on the head of your AV software to keep you safe from.
And MS fails miserably at protecting users from zero-days. They flunked, and they deserved to flunk. There's just too many new viruses and malware
They flunked, and they deserved to flunk.
And I'm still going to keep using it. It does detect 100% of viruses in the wild (or 99.99% according to MS and the AV testers), and it doesn't bog down my system with paranoia mode heuristics, or throw up a false positive every time I install something (or worse automatically kill, I've had Norton refuse to let me install a boxed copy of Office).
From the article:
"The other 94 percent of the samples don't represent what our customers encounter. When we explicitly looked for these files, we could not find them on our customers' machines."
Or in other words: "Thank you for installing the software necessary to allow us to browse through the contents of your computer when we feel like it and report any interesting findings back to us..."
All in good faith, of course.
I went to the AV-Test Web site at http://www.av-test.org/en/home/ [av-test.org]. First of all, there is indeed a Norman Security Suite at http://safeground.norman.com/us/home_and_small_office [norman.com]. AV-Test listed Norton under Symantec. Yes, AV-Test evaluated both Norton and Norman.
For home users of Windows XP, Microsoft's Security Essentials has a AV-Test certified seal with a test date in August 2012. For corporate users of Windows XP, Microsoft's Forefront Endpoint Protection has a AV-Test certified seal with a test dat
> I am convinced there must be at least ONE shady AV company that creates viruses
Heh. We speculated about that all the time back when I was writing AV software. I know there were a few cases where "proof of concept" stuff magically sneaked out of the lab, but to be fair to the companies involved, they immediately sent full details to all of their competitors.
But you do have to wonder.
And if you consider those "are you sure you want to close this window?" online popup scams, they DO install malware. I
Kapserasky was accused of this when it was noticed that their definition files contained signatures for some zero-days that hadn't been seen in the wild yet.
Now that it's gotten more popular, the malware makers devote more time to making sure their stuff gets around it. The quality of the product hasn't changed so much as the quality of the work being done against it has improved. It's been true of pretty much every such program that gets popular.
MSE still has the upside of not turning computers into boat anchors, unlike Symantec's crap bloatware.
Are they not included in the test or am I just missing them?
It is better than a Norton or McAfee that came with the system, had the subscription lapse, and hasn't had updated defs for at least a year or more. And it also doesn't bork your system worse than if you had malware on it.
I don't use any antivirus software. [xkcd.com]
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