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I wonder how hard the Iranian people need to be shit on before they do something about their awful government?
How long until the first idiot shows up to say things are just as bad in the US.
I'm not going to say that, but I could see it happening. All they'd have to do is tell people that it's to stop pedophiles & terrorists and far too many people would be perfectly OK with it. It's not that bad here, but give it a few years and it may get there... the only difference is that here we will vote for it.
Not even that
Here in the States especially here in the Bible Belt, there are folks who vote on "Social Issues". And when you actaully listen to everything they have to say - get'em going and you'll hear it! - what they describe for what they want for this country isn't too far off from what is happening in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and any other country that has oppressive societies.
When you point that out to them, they usually respond with "that's different".
It's only wrong when Islamic countries do it.
William Buckley would likely be rolling in his grave, if he'd seen where the birchers, tea baggers and Koch operatives have taken the conservative side of politics.
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who look back with nostalgia, to times where the thinkers on the conservative side of politics could win people over with the power of their ideas and principles, rather than just mouthing cheap slogans and whipping up hysteria.
Maybe I'm naive, but it would be nice to have political opponents, that if
The Tea Party doesn't have room for intolerance and hate
Sure, sure [huffingtonpost.com].
Same same, but different.
A government doesn't need censorship when it has good propaganda like "there is WMD in Irak".
That would be a clear example, but governments all over the world do the same thing.
Perhaps the question boils down to what is worse. Not knowing because of censorship, or being lied to by the government.
They wanted an Islamic government, and now they have one.
They got what they asked for, but not what they wanted. At that time, they didn't think about any back out or early termination clauses either.
"Every country has the government it deserves (Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite)" -- Joseph de Maistre, Lettres et Opuscules Inédits vol. 1, letter 53, written on 15 August 1811 and published in 1851.
It's not clear that it's not what they wanted. Sure, many in Iran won't want this, but I suspect a good number of people (i.e. the mullas and hard line Islamists) will be more than happy to cut themselves off from the Infidels. Maybe an international islamic internet will emerge from this with Iran being the central hub...where no one insults Muhammed or Islamic governments.
I think it's got something to do with the fact that China's situation is mitigated by their ability to raise living standards.
Credit where it's due, the CCP have done an outstanding job of lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty (or have at least been a reasonably safe pair of hands in a process that would have happened anyway.)
Doesn't mean they don't give a tinker's damn about human rights, or fairness, or rule of law.
A lot of abusive regimes scrape by, by keeping the good times rolling, and by keeping
I suggest we allow Google to commit one evil act
what is wrong with google (in the eyes of iran) is that it allows for easy access to education. education is the enemy of a religious based government such as the iranian government. education makes the masses less likely to believe in religious doctrine.
basically, this is the equivalent of burning the library of alexandria.
The Iranians I've met buck the trend with Islam in general -- they seem to be cultured and enlightened people who have a lot of respect for education.
This would present obvious problems for the odious theocratric tyranny they suffer under at home.
Attacking education and the free exchange of idea is the old standby of reactionaries everywhere.
they seem to be cultured and enlightened people who have a lot of respect for education
Yes, but unfortunately those are also the same people who tend NOT to be the ones with the guns and ammunition to change the policies set by the people who do.
Makes you wonder what kind of sadistic fuck would come up with such a paradigm on purpose, doesn't it?
The Iranians I've met buck the trend with Islam in general -- they seem to be cultured and enlightened people who have a lot of respect for education.
No doubt you've also noticed that these people mostly tend to live in exile outside of Iran, either as private businessmen or as academics in American and European universities. The intelligent and cultured people with the means to do so mostly fled the country after the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and many of them haven't been back since. So the people that you meet are mostly not the ones who can effect any sort of real change in their former homeland. They're nice people, but any change isn't going to sta
The Iranians I've met buck the trend with Islam in general -- they seem to be cultured and enlightened people who have a lot of respect for education.
You should also try meeting Indonesian, Malay, Thai and Brunai Muslims.
That's most of the Muslim world right there so you'll quickly realise that they are the trend and the stereotypes perpetuated by the likes of Fox News are the Muslims that buck the trend.
Asian Muslims tend to be extremely moderate and well educated, not to mention quite friendly (as is typical of SE Asian culture in general).
The are specifically targeting Google because Google is not censoring their content. I held a couple shares of Google a couple years ago and censorship based on the demands of certain countries went up for vote. The vote ruled that Google would not censor their content because of governmental demands. This was specifically put up for vote because of their move into China.
But the effect of cutting their people off from the rest of the world appears to be the goal.
hey, does this qualify as a google beheading?
tune in friday night and find out!
Ask Slashdot: Creating your own network.
Hi Slashdotters, I work for the Ayatollahs of Iran. As you may know, we have decided to create our own internet, without the dangers of a free society like porn (seeing any part of a woman besides her eyes), pictures of Muhammed (Allah Akbar!), and Jewish influence (banks). I bought a Linksys router and am reading the user manual, however I do not understand how this works. There is a thin cable with 2 large metal sticks on one side. I thought it would plug into m
Re: the 4 ports. It's OK, without porn, jokes against religion, and banking, no more than four people will want to use the Internet at any given time anyways, so that'll be fine. Probably won't even have to set up timesharing.
Oh and Linksys is unfortunately not CAMEL compatible. I'm not sure where you could get a router that is, but you can probably Goog... oh, wait, right.
Only four connections? Just get a big bag of tee connectors [google.com].
When I go to that site, I get the following error message:
BANNED: This website has been blocked by the Ayatollahs for promoting intolerance against Muslims. For attempting to access it, our Revolutionary Guard ninjas will be coming to arrest you, put you in front on a puppet court, and sentence you to death. To save yourself some time, you can always leave a loaded AK-47 in your doorstep and the ninjas will be more than happy to stage a suicide for you.
Sincerely - The Ayatollahs
"self-contained version of the World Wide Web"
You're doing it wrong.
the loopback subnet is easy to filter and still performs quite well.
I think they'll enjoy that level of connectivity.
Is this going to free up a bit of IPv4 address space?
Is this going to free up a bit of IPv4 address space?
No, because the rulers will still want to see both the public and private Internet.
Unfettered access to information? How unacceptable to my locked-in dogmas.
But nuclear power? That's a technology my stupid caveman government can support.
How unacceptable to my locked-in dogmas.
as long as you let them run outside twice a day and keep their water dishes filled I don't see a problem.
they're on a collision course for building nuclear powered datacenters.
I'm sure many of us are very interested how well such a blockade holds up. Let them do their worse, and let the games begin. The first one to break through wins an iPhone and a stuffed Mohamed doll.
This should give Lynx a jump in usage.
lynx is the one true messenger of god. packets be upon him!
It would work very easily. You just drop all the packets at your choke points to international lines. You capture all DNS requests and forward them to approved internal DNS servers, and voila, probably 95% of your Internet surfing populace now can only see internal Iranian servers.
Sure there are ways around it, and the technically savvy will be able to scale the wall, so to speak, but for the bulk of the populace, the Internet ceases to be accessible.
It's like telling your firewall to block all outgoing tra
Back when I was in college 10 - 12 years ago the internet was this thing that would never be tamed. It was the wild west of free expression that could never be taken away. Censorship would be automatically routed around and all was good. That was a common belief by many here and in academia. I had one professor, philosophy professor with an undergrad in comp sci from Berkeley back in the 70's and a masters in math, who thought it very differently. He felt by 2020 the beast would be tamed, the powers that be would find ways to regulate it and bring it back under their control. The genie, he insisted, would indeed be put in the bottle. Not only that, but it would be come the tool of easy mass surveillance and that the internet would be the end of privacy as we knew it. I didn't want to believe him either, but a decade later here we are. And it seems like he was more right than wrong.
When China erected its Great Firewall it proved the internet could indeed be censored. Is it perfect, no, but it doesn't have to be. Just good enough. Soon a lot of countries were doing it.
Now, if (and I stress if) Iran can create their own internal network and succeeds then it is the end of the "internet" as we know it. The world wide web will be Balkanized so that content can be better regulated by local regimes.
Back when I was in college 10 - 12 years ago the internet was this thing that would never be tamed. It was the wild west of free expression that could never be taken away.
So, care to tell me what happened to the wild west?
It's really a nice move from the Iranian Government and it shows us the way things should be handled. They don't like us, so far so good, they can block the
western websites but on our side we MUST block any http request from Iran, and especially for these kinds of websites:
* scientific : no scientific information must be given
A project that can be outsourced to China due to expertise and not just cheaper labor.
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EDITOR: Why is the fact that there has been no federal budget in nearly five years not an issue? All President Barack Obama does is campaign for an increase in his non-budget and make it sound as if it's the tea party Republicans' fault for all his problems. His tone is that of a spoiled child not getting his way. No past president has ever acted this way. What happened to "the buck stops here"?
What kind of a job did he expect the presidency to be? He will never collaborate with anyone who will not give him more money to spend. He and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reject all budgets given to them.
Obama is the person running this country into the ground purposely and pointing his finger at everyone else. Does he not realize that the four other fingers on his hand point directly at himself? I just hope the Republicans hold the line and don't cave in — no continuing resolution, no additional raise in funds for Obama to waste. There is and always will be enough money coming into the government monthly to pay the bills.


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HACKENSACK, N.J. – First-year Tori Oliver scored a career-high 14 points and junior Miwa Tachibana matched her career-best with 17, but it wasn't enough Sunday afternoon for the Columbia women's basketball team, as Fairleigh Dickinson defended its home court with a 69-59 victory. Courtney Bradford finished just one-point shy of a double-double, securing a season-high 10 boards and nine points.
Columbia grabbed 15 offensive rebounds in the game, leading to 14 second chance points, but FDU registered a 32-18 advantage in points in the paint, while also converting at a 40.3 percent clip from the field compared to Columbia's 29.7 percent.
The start of the game saw both squads struggle to find their offensive rhythm, going into the first media break knotted at 5-5. Columbia came out the first stoppage and scored four quick points to go up 9-8, as Oliver grabbed an offensive board and dropped in the put back, while classmate Carolyn Binder knocked down a pair from the free throw line.
The Lions continued to click on the offensive end of the floor, pushing their lead to nine, 25-16, with a 16-8 run. Oliver and Binder each hit from downtown on consecutive possessions, followed by back-to-back jumpers from Tachibana.
The Knights responded in strong fashion, going on an 11-0 run over a 4:04 stretch just past the midway point of the half. Tachibana ended the Columbia scoring drought with two from charity stripe at the 5:04 mark, evening the score at 27-27.
Tachibana got the Lions within two, 37-35, just before halftime, hitting her fourth field goal of the half. Conservative 3-point shooting by the Knights helped them maintain the lead at the break. Taking just six attempts from deep, FDU connected four times, with Brianna Thomas making both of her triples. Conversely, the Lions were just 3-of-15 from long range.
Columbia came out strong to begin the second stanza, posting an 8-4 run to go up 43-39, forcing FDU to burn a timeout with 16:28 remaining. Amara Mbionwu dropped in pair of layups around a Taylor Ward trey for the Lions during the run.
Once again, FDU responded by scoring 15 of the game's next 20 points to take a 56-51 lead with just over 11 minutes left to play. Tiffany Grant extended the FDU advantage to seven when she hit a layup in transition off a pass from Amanda Andrades.
Bradford would cut the deficit to three with two free throws with 8:40 left to play, but the Knights' offense continued to score, going on a 9-0 run this time to extend the lead to 12 points, 65-53. Oliver and Bradford would chip away at the lead from the free throw line, but Kelsey Cruz's 3-pointer with 1:54 left gave FDU an 11-point lead to seal the contest.
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Yea but they just coppied Babylon 5.
Think about it...
Based on a space station.
The head honcho of the station had a rank of commander then later on there was a captain.
Head Honcho(s) had some deep destiny that they needed to follow controlled by an alien race with supernatural powers who talked in confusing language that only became clear once the events have happened.
A secondary race of aliens who somehow have a more detailed knowledge of these super aliens.
War against a superior race who at first is considered indestructible and later on in the series killing them becomes a piece of cake.
Command of a ship that is brand new. Much smaller then the other ships and cannot be recognized as one of the good guys. But chalk full of shooting goodness. Now with some alien technology that makes it that much more devastating.
It is only the best Trek series because they stole everything from Babylon 5.
Though supposedly welcoming and accepting, it views races like the Ferengi with distrust and even disdain.
And with good reason!! Those ugly swindling bastards would sell their own mothers if it would turn a profit.
J. Michael Straczynski has related how he pitched the idea for Babylon 5 to anyone and everyone(including the producers of ST:NG) in Hollywood in 1989.
Some how, they forgot that long story arcs don't work to well on a moving starship and we got Voyager.
They're probably ugly anyway.
girls who claim they'll never sleep with Windows users
They're probably ugly anyway.
Now you can blame Microsoft for nnot getting laid too...
Now you can blame Microsoft for not getting laid too...
Other titles you may also enjoy:
- People who buy Nike shooes!
- Maserati: A noble car embiggens the smallest man.
Nothing says "I don't have a personality" like quoting the Simpsons! Please, stop modding this shit funny. If it's funny, then a bird regurgitating food for its babies is FUCKIN' HILARIOUS.
More likely, "MacHeads is another cheap 'find a subculture and mock it' film that will pander to Apple haters, and bore or irritate Apple fans. It will broaden the minds of neither, and pass unnoticed by everyone else."
More likely, "MacHeads is another cheap 'find a subculture and mock it' film that will pander to Apple haters, and bore or irritate Apple fans. It will broaden the minds of neither, and pass unnoticed by everyone else."
Yeah. What I find are more anti-whatevers, than pro-whatevers. People obsessing over what other people use. Some of the causes might be legitimate (marketshare concerns or they end up doing tech support for friends/relatives) and some are petty (obsessing how other people spend their money).
For the classic in OS satire, there is "The Unix Hater's Handbook":
http://www.icce.rug.nl/edu/ugh.pdf [icce.rug.nl]
It was pretty much the poke in the eye to unix users but the anti-foreword was written by Dennis Ritchie - but was just as scathing right back:) (This was when some users came from other systems, like Lisp Machines.) It's probably still relevant today, seeing as how OS with unix foundations are the only OS with marketshare outside Windows these days.
I'll keep that in mind when I create my documentary on people who pan movies they've never seen on the internet.
I'm betting it goes pretty easy on the Apple fans. It is premiering at MacWorld, after all.
"MacHeads is a superb film that will give Apple haters a few cheap laughs, and Apple fans a few cheap thrills. But it'll entertain both equally, while educating everybody else."
Wow, that's such a fence-sitting position that it's probably hard on their butts. It's as if they don't want to offend anyone. "While World War II was indeed a deadly conflict, it gave the Allies a few cheap laughs, and the Axis a few cheap thrills, but it'll kill both equally." I think I can use this for my upcoming performance review...
I don't get this obsession. Back in the day I was a rabid (psychotic) Amiga fan/user. As I matured I realized something, IT'S JUST A COMPUTER GUYS. JUST ANOTHER TOOL. If people were this committed to, say hammers or forstner bits -- you'd think they were completely insane.
I'm also looking at you, the "yeah, but can it run LINUX" crowd. For fucks sake, people many of you are amongst the most intelligent human beings in the world, you need to be out there breeding instead of developing a goddamn zippo lighter simulator for your iPhone.
I'm also looking at you, the "yeah, but can it run LINUX" crowd. For fucks sake, people many of you are amongst the most intelligent human beings in the world
Since when is the linux crowd the most intelligent human beings? I'm not against linux people or anything but I fail to see how smarter they are compared to any other kind of people. In my opinion they're just more knowledgeable in this one field.
Just another tool, eh?
Considering the fact that we wouldn't be able to do much of what we are doing now without any tools says something about how important they are. And really how much of a human are we with a stick at most?
These tools let us be human like and thus they become part of us.
Should we be obsessed? Of course not, by the virtue of the word 'obsessed', which has negative meaning.
Should we consider a computer *just* another tool? Perhaps, but we won't.
Considering the fact that we wouldn't be able to do much of what we are doing now without any tools says something about how important they are.
Sheesh. Just goes to show that people can take offense at anything.
The OP's point wasn't that tools are unimportant, his point was that emotional attachments to what label is on the tool is stupid. "Anyone who doesn't use the XYZ hammer with it's beeeaaauutiful claw design is a complete fool! Can't they see that it's superior, especially when I paid twice the pric
I was with you all through your comment... just until the last line:
And that's why I use OS X.
It seems to me you have not yet left the state you described in the previous paragraphs... Maybe in age, but certainly not in attitude... If you had that last line just would not be there. Who cares what OS you use? If it works for you, fine. If it doesn't use something else.
Who cares what OS you use? If it works for you, fine. If it doesn't use something else.
That is exactly what he did. He stopped zealothing and chose his OS.
I did the same (unfortunately I skipped the NeXT experience) and I noticed the same.
And that's why I use OS X.
You know what
OTOH, when I drive in a train it happ
I'd never sleep with anyone who uses forstner bits!
As I matured I realized something, IT'S JUST A COMPUTER GUYS. JUST ANOTHER TOOL.
Expect to turn 30 and realise that NOT ALL TOOLS ARE ALIKE. You'll laugh more at yourself than others for once thinking that some of them even belonged in the same conversation.
And if you had the foresight to develop some skills along the way and nurtured your intellectual curiousity, you'll insist on making your own tools by the time you're fourty, an advocating the same to people on Slashdot who are oblivious to the differenc
I don't get this obsession. Back in the day I was a rabid (psychotic) Amiga fan/user. As I matured I realized something, IT'S JUST A COMPUTER GUYS. JUST ANOTHER TOOL. If people were this committed to, say hammers or forstner bits -- you'd think they were completely insane.
Might your lack of "patriotism" though be just a *little* influenced by the fact that your choice OS died a horrible death long ago? I'm sure if Apple went out of business today in 10 years all the Macheads would either have to adopt a "Meh, it wasn't that great anyways." position or consign themselves to the nuthouse. It's just a survival skill
(For what it's worth, I use Mac, Windows, and Linux all pretty extensively, so I'm not too biased in the modern world. Sadly I never got the chance to use an
If people were this committed to, say hammers or forstner bits -- you'd think they were completely insane.
But if people had a strong opinion as to the utility of a regular drill vs. a hole hawg [steve-parker.org], that's pretty reasonable.
many of you are amongst the most intelligent human beings in the world
Intelligence is not an indication of maturity.
If people were this committed to, say hammers or forstner bits -- you'd think they were completely insane.
I know people that are this rabid about other tools which do multiple things (like computers): Swiss Army knives and Leatherman multi-tools. They will swear that the generics are worthless, break or rust. Come to think of it, I know someone who won't use a non-Craftsman hammer because he's a Craftsman snob. But... insanity? No, just strong preference.
Just screenshot all the Apple articles on Slashdot, and you'll see fanboyism and corporate pimping at its finest.
Er... if you're able to force-quit applications, then the operating system hasn't locked up. The operating system is working fine, and the program in question has locked up. Even Apple can't save you from poorly written applications. (although your complaint is perfectly valid if the apps you're seeing lock up were written by Apple)
Im convinced that most people who talk about OSX being superior are windows users who have built up some kind of weirdo OSX fetish fantasy. At my old job I supported several OSX machines and they were as much trouble as anything else. I loved sitting there watching the spinning rainbow do its thing for no reason and trying to navigate to the command line to run top while it was running so slow. There really should be a hotkey to top or a GUI-based task manager equivalent.
Apple does a good job of forcing a lot of features into its OS but that usually translates into a slow experience, especially coming from XP on an modern machine.
As far as the lying goes, well, exaggeration is human nature. Its really your job to filter out the BS. This doesnt just apply to computers, but to everything in life.
spinning rainbow
Spinning beach-ball of doom.
1) People who have crap hardware. A number of people I know who got a Mac and find it to be much better find that mostly because they had a really bad PC. It was a cheapie and slow right when it came out, never mind the 5+ years later when this is. Also means they were running a rather outdated OS. So it isn't a surprise that a massive hardware + software upgrade gives a much better experience.
2) People who have an extremely broken system. Their system is full of crapware and breaks basically all the time. Software doesn't install, etc. They are finding it a major improvement because it was effectively a wipe/reinstall.
However by far the most common
3) They are lying to themselves. Seen this time and time again. They want/need to believe that this change is 100% for the better, so they tell themselves there are no problems. My best anecdote for this is from when I was in university, back before OS-X. I was in a friend's dorm room and his roommate and I were discussing computers. He had a Mac. He was telling me that the thing he liked was that "Macs never crash." As he was talking and noodling around, his system bombed. You know, the old bomb error. He clicked the restart and continued on. I interrupted him saying "Wait, right there! Your system crashed!" He then argued that no, it wasn't a crash like Windows does and so on. He was just lying to himself. He'd convinced himself that his system just didn't have problems like Windows did.
So that's the biggest reason they won't admit it: They really don't acknowledge that they are having problems. They lie to themselves, which then leads them to mislead you.
The truth of the matter is no consumer computer is perfect, and none likely ever will be. No matter what your OS, when you have an environment as complex and uncontrolled as one where people can install whatever they like, problems WILL happen. Certainly some OSes will have less problems, but anyone who tells you there's no problems is full of it.
was just lying to himself. He'd convinced himself that his system just didn't have problems like Windows did.
Lots of OSS zealots who sometimes spend 5 days to make something simple work at Linux (sometimes that happens, even if its the person's fault) are also that way. In fact, most of them use "smart people" distributions like Slackware because "they never break" and "allow me to be in full control of my machine". Yet, when something breaks they realise (but don't admit) that they do not have full control over it, that their precious "superior choice" also has issues.
It's the same thing: they're lying, and with a touch of elitism into it. Their "thing" is not about making a good choice about computing or executing tasks faster of cheaper. It's about belonging to groups (and, on an advanced point, being part of the group's institutional machine) and feeling good. It's just radical enviro-activism.
After all, they allowed themselves to define their own personality based on those choices. That's how weak they are right now. They're not in control anymore: denying the tool/group/choice would mean denying their own personality.
Look, I've had the same story, but a widely different experience. For me the MBP I bought was largely a "wow" experience.
But yes, there are problems. It isn't perfect. Still, compared to XP, I'd say there are worlds between them. Among those I know who switched to Macs during the past 2-3 years, the general consensus is that it isn't perfect, but there are few flaws and many great things, while XP is just barely bearable.
I have a lot of Apple fanboy friends, and they finally convinced me to spend the extra money for a macbook pro when it came time to buy a new laptop. So far I've been seriously underwhelmed. Contrary to the claims of virtually every Apple user I know, my new laptop with OS X doesn't appear to be any more stable than my old Windows XP laptop. It still periodically locks up for no apparent reason, which I can only solve by making it force-quit applications. It still sometimes slows down for no apparent reason (presumably because something is hogging resources). Also, a few weeks ago one of the updates killed my laptop's display somehow and I had to plug it into an external monitor to fix it - which was a huge pain in the ass, because for some inexplicable reason the macbook pro doesn't have a standard VGA port for connecting to external monitors, AND Apple didn't bother to include the necessary adapters with the laptop. Maybe the update was a ploy to see how many people they could force to buy $16 adapters?
Overall I'm still enjoying my laptop, but I'm astounded that so many people basically lied to me with claims of how perfectly stable and wonderful macs are. I find it very difficult to believe that I'm the only one who has to force-quit applications or deal with inexplicable slowdowns. Surely all these fanboys are having the same sorts of problems. So why can't they just admit it? Why do they have to insist that everything is perfect?
Firstly, you left out some interesting details. Did you get one of the the new glass screen MacBooks? In that case you should have expected crap like this from a newly released product line regardless of whether it is a Mac, a PC or anything else. Which Apps are freezing up on you? Some OS X apps much like some Windows Apps are not particlulary well written. Another point is that OS X GUI apps like those written for Windows and Linux tends to like RAM, lots of RAM and the default amount of RAM that comes wi
As a MS developer with a journalist girlfriend who runs Linux on her Asus EEE PC, I fart in their general direction.
'MacHeads is a superb film that will give Apple haters a few cheap laughs, and Apple fans a few cheap thrills. But it'll entertain both equally, while educating everybody else'
I like this quote. It basically says that if you're not a fan and not a hater, it's because you're not educated properly!
We need a better name for Apple fanboys:
Or the "I'm-upper-middle-class-and-can-afford-proprietary-hardware-and-my-new-volkswagen-with-a-flower-holder-in-the-dash-and-expouse-my-northern-california-peace-movement-and-oh-my-god-ponies-and-IPhones-and"-heads.
No wait, that's a flame.
But a flame, by any other name, would smell like an apple.
Apple turnovers?
They're used to lousy performance.
No mater how bad the sex is, I just promise that next time it's going to be better than ever and they believe me.
If I "crash" while they're trying to, y'know, get things done, it's no big deal.
They're used to getting boned in the ass.
Don't forget the Trojans.
girls who claim they'll never sleep with Windows users
Good for them. They're idiots. I wouldn't want to sleep with someone who judges people on their OS choice (of all things) rather than things that actually matter, like personality or how well the two of you connect. Them not wanting to sleep with users isn't a damning indictment of Windows, it's a damning indictment of themselves.
Seriously, people like that need to be punched to death.
I AM, for want of a better word, a "MacHead". I use Macs and OS X exclusively. And yet I don't want to sleeo with someone who's so up herself and materialistic that someone's choice in OS is a factor in wanting to fuck them. That's my point.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell


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...I think that real change will only come in the unlikely event that CH can find a neighborhood that actually wants a methadone clinic.
I wonder how long Interfaith's lease on that site is, because a savvy politician might be able to close it if they could find another social service program to take it's place. Western CH now might have enough power to start whittling away at the bottom tier of local social service providers....
I've never met someone who isn't secretly a NIMBY.
Very unfortunate. The potential for methadone abuse is very high, hence the black market sales and low rate of recovery for those on it. There are currently two other options that (as I am aware) have less abuse potential. LAAM and Bupernorphine.
Removing supports and aides for the disease of addiction is very dangerous and is always detrimental to the community as well as the addicts.
Removing supports and aides for the disease of addiction is very dangerous and is always detrimental to the community as well as the addicts.
Of course, those against the clinics argue that the community has changed, and state that the clinics now serve a population that comes from largely outside the community. (Hereafter referred to as Scenario 1).
Until we have info on where the patients live, we can't say that they are wrong. However, we can say that while no one wants a methadone clinic near them, it is absolutely brutal for a community to have to house both the addicts and the clinics. (Scenario 2)
Scenario 1 rarely lasts long, because the neighbors effectively close the clinic.
Scenario 2, on the other hand, often lasts a long time because it creates a ghetto in which only those devoid of power (and desire) live in a community.
What is the worst quality that a methadone clinic brings to a neighborhood? Is it the likelihood that patients will try and sell methadone after they leave? If this is the case, wouldn't it make the most sense to put clinics in the most affluent areas of the city where the residents are least likely to purchase the stuff? For example, a guy could try hawking as much stuff as he wanted outside the Park Slope Co-op, but is unlikely to get all that many, if any buyers. Without the reward of making sales I would guess the amount of people trying to sell their stuff would go down. If nothing else, it would make sales more obvious and catchable.
Every time a crime went down it would get blamed on the patients (as was recently suggested about Phoenix House and P.H.). But would this really be a risk? Do methadone users also have a higher likelihood of robbing and/or maiming people?
-And I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I'm genuinely curious.
As far as scenario two goes... there's one around the corner from me as well as one in union sq. that I'm near frequently. Other than groups of people congregating and smoking outside of the locations (which is a pain in the ass) I haven't encountered any problems.
The real issue is for treatment centers to stop using methadone, which can keep one high as hell for many hours when an individual takes enough of it. There are medications that do not have that effect. Dispensing these would reduce the resale of doses. Although to avoid or "cure" withdrawal addicts would buy ANY opioid (or opioid analog.)
Scenario one is difficult because not having addiction treatment services available is a recipe for disaster.
As I understand it, a purchased dose or "spit" of methadone won't get you high, but it will keep someone who is presently using opiates that get you high (heroin, prescriptions, oxy, synthetics etc.) you from having to go through withdrawal. If you score a lot of it, you can get high....
So, folks who are about to go into to withdrawal tend to gravitate toward methadone clinics despite not being enrolled because they are confident they can buy a spit.
Likewise, not everyone who is enrolled in the methadone clinics remains abstinent from the "real" opiates that do get you high. The principal reason for not remaining solely on methadone is that although it takes away the withdrawal, opiate users miss the high of the real stuff.
So, we have two phenomena:
a. Active users of opiates continue to remain enrolled in the methadone clinic so they can sell the spits for money to buy opiates to get high.
b. People who have opiates to sell know that methadone clinics are good place to make a sale.
As a result, those seeking drugs (or money from drugs...) follow the clinics no matter where they go, and putting a clinic in a good neighborhood is not going to stop patients from selling the methadone.
Likewise, putting a clinic in a good neighborhood is not going to stop sellers and customers of methadone, oxy and heroin from gravitating toward it.
For good reason, no one wants a methadone clinic nearby. However, the clinics do effectively keep large numbers of people stable on a substance.
The clinics are sort of like a homeless shelters in that everyone wants the cities to provide them, but no one wants them to be located in their 'hood. The clinics are unlike shelters in that they are small and thus easier be relocated to a less powerful neighborhood.
Tish James and other politicians are well aware that the demographics of their districts have changed, and they now perceive themselves as having the power to get rid of clinics in their districts AND as having a group of constituents that demands they do so. Folks who own property and vote have her attention....
I completely agree that clinics for persons addicted to opiates are needed: We live in a world in which people are going to continue to use and get addicted to opiates.
Re: Methadone. I believe that the alternatives to methadone have draw backs such as increased cost, that prevent them from being implemented.
I grew up in a neighborhood where there was a methadone clinic (it was on the corner of Bergen and Smith). Most of the patients were local people who were known to most of us in the neighborhood. They also had no qualms about snitching (i.e., when a neighbor had a TV stolen he asked the people outside the clinic and they gave him a description and area of someone trying to sell a TV).
They never bothered me and matter of fact (and I know this sounds terrible) we used to watch them to see how low they could teeter over without falling.
This site lists methadone clinics in Brooklyn and (with the exception of clinics located at hospitals), most clinics already seem to be located in low income neighborhoods.
It is silly to think that CH and Fort Greene are not going to attempt to use their new found power to get rid of these clinics, but it is anyone's guess whether Tish James and the others will be successful at forcing the local clinics out.
It is likely a matter of:
1. Getting the police to bother the addicts so much that they choose a different clinic, causing the present clinic to be financially weak.
2. Finding a non-profit that everyone loves (such as a senior center) to fill the space, so we are not accused of being against social services.
I too work near the Union Sq clinic. There are tons of addicts that congregate in the neighborhod Starbucks as well as in Union Sq and Madison Sq parks during the day that are either waiting to go get their stuff, selling their stuff or hustling with their fellow addicts. Clearly none of these people live in the neighborhood, and like the 9-5 folks they pretty much disappear from the area by the evening rush hour.
Why can't there be a methadone clinic on 7th Avenue in Park Slope, or Downtown on Fulton Street instead of on residential blocks in minoriy neighborhoods.
I would imagine that the clinic on Union Sq is there because it is a relic from when addicts did live locally; they used to live in large numbers in the parks, on the street, and in SROs, and the flophouses that used to dominate the Bowery Ave.
Given how much the area has changed over the last 20 years, it strikes me that it would be nearly impossible to open a NEW clinic in Union Sq.
Has CH and FG changed enough that these clinics are now relics of the neighborhood's past?
For racial, aesthetic and class reasons, we live in a society that tends toward Scenario 2. I think we can all admit that the argument that "it is convenient and economic for services to be available near where patients live" is merely cover for "we have the power, and we are going to put this clinic that no one wants in your neighborhood, not ours".
...for these reasons, I imagine it would be politically impossible for a clinic to open a location 7th Ave in the Slope. I also imagine that it would be fiscally impossible, because commercial rents are so much higher in wealthy areas.
Trash depots, water treatment plants and other services no one wants are often located in poor, minority neighborhoods for similar reasons.
Tish will likely state that she would like the clinics to remain open, but have none of the side effects that are inherent parts of providing such programs.
To which I respond, "I would like to go to the beach, but I don't want to get sand in my swimsuit..."
Make no mistake about it: No one wants these programs and anyone with power would use it to get rid of them. ...it is just that Tish and everyone else can't state our real motivations publicly.
Here's the OASAS data on the Methadone clinic operated by Interfaith that is located in CH, at 800 Bergen St.
A Manhattan version of the same story:
Not sure if this is related to this post, but I have been noticing people twice now at different times in the past few weeks nodding out in the street. What's the deal?
The local scene is actually much better than it has been.
To get a sense of how active your local scene is, befriend a bodega owner that is open 24 hours. Those guys see the underbelly of NY.
In this case, ask him about what % of his candy and soda sales go to the local opiate addicts who come in craving sugar at all hours.
Wow! Really? Never seen people nodding out around here before, but maybe I was just too busy to notice or care back then.
I always worry the bodegas are there 24 hours for people selling other illicit substances.
Not to be trite, but the more you look for opiate users and sales, the more you will see. Heroin remains in demand in NYC, regardless of the neighborhood you live in.
Here's a somewhat recent story about a Park Slope/Windsor terrace heroin dealer. ...but, yeah, you might see more folks in CH doing the "opiate nod out", and less news coverage of the busts.
Like many drugs of abuse, addiction to opiates and their synthetics tend to make one poor pretty quickly; addicts end up more concerned about getting high than paying rent, or pursing excellent performance that results in a raise at work. ...and, more often than not, living in the cheapest apartment they can find.
Whether the politicians like it or not, I think there continues to be a need for methadone maintenance in CH.
This round of battle between the Brooklyn clinics in neighborhoods of increasing power and wealth vs the methadone clinics has now come to a close.
As expected, the politicians were not able to make the clinics move elsewhere. However, they were able to implement a written code of conduct (MOU), that they will no doubt find violated as time goes on .....here is an article on the Brooklyn agreement, which they state was signed back in Dec.
Don't worry, the politicians and activists will keep at this issue....
Over the weekend, a guy reportedly died from a overdose of opiates at the little park located where Washington Ave meets Atlantic.
Late July 2013:
As a result of the pending closure of Interfaith Medical Center (all over the news), the methadone clinic it runs in Western Crown Heights (880 - 882 Bergen Street) is likely to close unless it can quickly find another provider to take it over.
old photo: Brownstoner
Needless to say, many won't be sorry to see it go.
Those worried about the displaced patients should be comforted in knowing that there are other clinics nearby:
And, if all goes according to the hopes of some, in the not-so-distant future, the large lot which the clinic occupies (one which has a "mere" single story building, despite being in an area with many mid-rises) will change hands.
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It's too early to have this conversation and not be considered a vulture, but should they build condo or rental?
It should be interesting to see if the closing of the Interfaith Clinic on Bergen, strengthens the clinic that is located at 705-707 Franklin (near Park Pl)
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It should be interesting to see if the closing of the Interfaith Clinic on Bergen, strengthens the clinic that is located at 705-707 Franklin (near Park Pl)
You mean the place that I refer to as "backdoor downstairs clinic?" AKA the worlds sketchiest looking clinic.
Methadone clinics are often shabby.
Here's is their latest scorecard:
On the shabbiness front, let's take a look at how the exterior of the one on Classon and Pacific looked just before it its parent (Saint Vincent's Medical Center) folded, and closed it down:
As the 1000 Dean St area takes off, it will be converted into something...
The Interfaith methadone clinic on Bergen now has flyers on its doors, advising patients that a state appointed ombudsman is now overseeing the care provided, as a result of Interfaith's Chapter 11 status.
Rachel was able to confirm that the Methadone clinic is not going anywhere. https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160223/crown-heights/13-apartments-replace-office-space-at-14-story-crown-heights-building


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In college football, there's a not-so-fine line between what a player knows and what he needs to learn.
As he entered the 2013 season, Nyeem Wartman knew quite a bit. He knew how to attack running backs. He knew how to make big hits. He knew he could run and he knew he could make key plays, and he knew from his days as a two-way star at Valley View that he could dominate games.
What he has learned is that none of that is enough.
Preparing for his second full season and in the midst of a heated competition for playing time at a revamped linebacker position, the Penn State redshirt sophomore said he is entering the 2014 campaign bigger, stronger and faster and, perhaps most importantly to Wartman, a bit wiser about how complete a player he needs to be to succeed with the Nittany Lions.
"We lined up in the I-formation (in high school) and everyone ran the ball pretty much every down. So you just expected another run," Wartman said. "In college, you have to adjust to that.
"I wasn't used to seeing the spread (formations on offense), so I felt like I had to adjust to that and know how to play in space more."
For sure, there were growing pains in 2013. But Wartman still had a solid season. He recorded 32 tackles and a sack, and led all Nittany Lions linebackers with four pass breakups.
But in many ways, Wartman felt like he had to learn on the run in then-defensive coordinator John Butler's system. His redshirt freshman season ended up being spent seeing some things — and getting used to others — he'd never seen on a football field before.
Playing in space is one. Being disciplined is another.
"I think your first year on the field to your second, that's when you see the biggest jump athletically," fellow linebacker Mike Hull said. "You saw it with Gerald Hodges and Mike Mauti and all those guys, just because they got more comfortable out there, more confident in their abilities. My first year, I played on defense sparingly. Second year, I played a ton and made a lot of big plays."
The difference, Hull said, is that he felt a lot more comfortable in his role.
"I think (Wartman) has learned a lot from last year," Hull said. "That first season on the field, it's tough. It's a learning curve. I think he's really going to take off this year. He's going to be very improved and be one of the focal points of our defense."
For Wartman, the difference between what he knew and what he needed to learn proved large enough to lead to an inconsistent season.
Now, though, he said he has narrowed the gap.
"Nyeem, to me, is a guy I'm really excited to see in camp," linebackers coach Brent Pry said. "He didn't get much practice in the spring (due to an ankle injury). He's got incredible knee-bend. He's got incredible agility. He's a good student of the game. He's a good communicator.
"I think Nyeem can have a bright future here. I'm anxious to kind of get my hands on him and see what we can come out of camp with."
Nothing is guaranteed. Not with a new coaching staff in place. Not with the emergence of sophomore Brandon Bell. Not with gifted true freshmen Troy
Reeder and Jason Cabinda pushing for playing time. But that type of competition is what's driving Wartman now, that and the fact that with knowledge comes
He hopes that confidence, that uncertainty, can combine with his year of experience in the college game to help him become the player his talent indicates he can be.
"There's no complacency now," Wartman said. "I think that was one of my problems last year, complacency. Because that spot was pretty much going to be given to me because of some injuries and some people leaving here over the years.
"I like this though. I like that you're chasing, or that someone is chasing you."
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A photo in the exhibit from Aaron Turner, graduate student
Photographer: Aaron Turner
Mar 21, 2014
From Kaitrin McCoy
The Ohio University Multicultural Center is sponsoring "Salt of the Earth," a photography exhibit showcasing works by Associate Professor of Photography Gary Kirksey and graduate students Won Suk Choi, Sarah Tilotta, Aaron Turner and CK Vijayajumar from the School of Visual Communication.
The exhibit is currently on display at the Multicultural Center Art Gallery in Baker University Center, and will close April 15.
The curated photographic prints pay homage to "Salt of the Earth" societies, immortalized in references as varied as the Bible and popular music as people who are humble, reliable and lack pretension.
"Often the phrase is applied to working class people," said Sarah Tilotta, "sometimes implying economically valuable groups who have been swept under the rug of society."
Tilotta photographed the conditions of sugar cane workers of Haitian descent living as minorities in the Dominican Republic. Other visual themes present among the exhibited works are post-industrial life, depopulation and cultural overlap.
Aaron Turner, a second-year master's student in the School of Visual Communication, hopes that visitors to the exhibit will appreciate the stories being told in the exhibit.
"[Photographers] try to tell stories," Turner said," and most of the time we tell other people's stories to share them [so that people] begin to care about the communities that are visible and other communities that are similar and continue the storytelling."
The Office of Multicultural Programs sponsored this event. It is free and open to the public.
The Office of Multicultural Programs focuses all its programs and activities on intercultural teaching and learning. It provides a place where members of the university community, representing a variety of backgrounds, can participate in programs and activities. All programming is designed to increase human understanding through the study and expression of culture.


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Bolstered by a large group of athletes largely in their mid-20s, most of them newcomers to the sport, the Montauk Rugby Club defeated the Connecticut Yankees 22-21 at East Hampton High School Saturday. It was a friendly-game win that augurs well for the fall Division II season inasmuch as the Norwalk side finished fourth in the Northeast tournament — Montauk did not make the playoffs — and has been competitive with Division I sides this spring.
The match was part of the club's family day, which began with Play Rugby USA clinics for about 35 youngsters. Gordon Trotter, Montauk's spokesman, and Play Rugby USA's president, Mark Griffin, said they hoped to have as many as 80 enrolees at Play Rugby's camps here in August — from Aug. 22 to 26, and from Aug. 29 to September 2.
Trotter and Griffin, an Englishman, met in San Diego in 2006, and agreed then that Play Rugby USA, which has 3,000 kids playing the sport in New York City, would oversee camps here in the summer.
"The idea," said Griffin, "is to have kids playing from an early age and to get leagues going. The younger they are when they start the better players they'll be."
That having been said, the aforementioned tyros, who have come to rugby from such sports as football, lacrosse, wrestling, and track, and who, until Saturday, played in away games this spring, showed their veteran mentors, Trotter, Garth Wakeford, Chris Carney, and Rich Brierley among them, that they are quick learners.
The Sharks didn't start off all that well given the fact that the Yankees in the first half frequently stole the ball on Montauk's line-out plays (throw-ins to a line of potential recipients that usually follow kicks out of bounds). Moreover, the visitors had a very good kicker in Dan Neville, their tall fly half.
Neville got the Yankees on the scoreboard with a 35-yard converted penalty kick at the beginning of the game, and 20 minutes later the visitors' fleet fullback, Randy Annunziato, touched the ball down in the right corner of Montauk's try zone, a 5-point try to which Neville's converted kick from an acute angle tacked on 2 more points for a 10-0 Yankee lead.
Montauk mounted an attack of its own soon after — John Glennon, a bull-dozing forward, getting the ball down to within 10 yards of the Yankees' try zone before a penalty kick by Neville reversed the momentum. Annunziato came close to scoring again, but he was brought down near the goal line and Trotter cleared the ball with a kick out of bounds.
At the 30-minute mark, Montauk's Greg Arent, on loan from Suffolk Bullmoose, streaked up the pitch only to have the ball taken away from him on the brink of the goal line. No matter: two minutes later, Mark Scioscia, one of three who played scrum half for the home side that day, put up 5 points for Montauk, touching the ball down in the Yankees' try zone near Long Lane, though Trotter's conversion kick rebounded off the left upright.
Another penalty kick, this one from 30 yards out, by Neville put the Yankees up 13-5 with five minutes left to play in the half, though just before the break Glennon carried the ball in and touched it down for 13-10, and Trotter's kick made it 13-12.
Montauk made some line-out adjustments between halves, and, with Glennon putting the ball into play and with Connor Miller, one of the side's new recruits, going up to snag Glennon's passes in the second half, things went much better in that phase of play.
Montauk kicked off to begin the second half, and the visitors' number-eight, who received the ball, zigged across Montauk's line of defenders before lateralling to one of the side's wingers, Simon Hawkins, who zagged the rest of the way. Neville's conversion kick went wide, however, and the score remained 18-12 in the Yankees' favor.
A subsequent 50-yard penalty kick near midfield by Neville tacked on 3 more points with about 30 minutes left, but the Yankees were to be shut out thereafter. Wakeford, a tall, strong South African-born player who is hard to stop, came out of a Montauk scrum near the 22-meter line to score in the 55th minute, and while Trotter's kick was no good, Wakeford and a winger, Steve Turza, were to combine soon after for another Montauk try, giving Montauk the lead, at 22-21, for the first time that day.
Again Trotter missed the kick, but in the final 19 minutes the Sharks clung tenaciously to their hard-won advantage.
Neville had a chance to alter the outcome, taking aim at Montauk's goalposts from the center of the field following a penalty assessed Montauk, but his 60-yarder bounced off the left stanchion.
Brian Powell, Montauk's young inside center, pounced on a loose ball in Montauk's try zone with about 10 minutes left, preventing a Yankee try, and in the final minutes the Yankees mounted a goal-line stand after Montauk had been awarded a scrum at the 5-meter line.
"We threw everything at them," Rich Brierley said afterward. "They let us substitute more freely than the rules allow. You're allowed 7 substitutions — we made 12 today."
"A little more control and these guys could be dangerous," said Mike Bunce Sr., who was particularly impressed by Connor Miller's play in the forward pack.
Among the most-welcome newcomers, Trotter said, were Miller, Scioscia, Matt Brierley (who had to come out early on after having been kicked in the head), Matt Reilly, Ben Jones, Jarrel Walker (a former arena football player from Bridgehampton), Clifford Clarke (a Jamaican who played with that country's under-19 side), Randy Steyert, and Scott Abran, who has replaced the retired Paul Cleary at hooker.
"These kids were in Erik's class (at East Hampton High School)," Steve Brierley said earlier that afternoon as he prepared a barbecue for the young clinic-takers. "They're all good athletes. They hesitated in the beginning, but now they're here. Once you play a rugby game, you're hooked. It's a whole new generation of kids. It's what you wish for. You can't beat this game for camaraderie. You spend 80 minutes beating the hell out of each other and then after the game you shake hands and have a party."
"It all started," said Steve's brother, Rich, "with Mark Scioscia and Charlie Collins and Bryan Anderson [who's out with a broken ankle]. Jarrel Walker [who was yellow-carded that day, but wasn't quite sure what for] is a good find, though he's got to refine his skills a bit. . . ."
Mike Bunce Jr., who plays with Boston's Super League side, is expected to be here for the Met Union season in the fall. Erik Brierley, who plays fullback for Boston's Division I side, and who is New England's points leader, "may stay up there," said Rich Brierley. "He's on a career path."
When Steve Brierley's attention was directed to the B side game, where Brenden Mott, a football and track star (jumps and sprints) at East Hampton High recently, was breaking tackles on a 40-yard breakaway run into the Yankees' try zone, Brierley agreed that "that guy is quick."
"Plus," he said, "they're young."
Given the infusion of fast-twitch muscles, Rich Brierley said that he would propose at tonight's practice session that Montauk revive its summer 7's team.


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- 1 pouch (3 ounces) liquid fruit pectin
- 2 to 3 drops green food coloring
- In a large saucepan, combine boiling water and rosemary; cover and let stand for 15 minutes. Strain, reserving liquid. If necessary, add water to measure 1-1/4 cups. Return liquid to pan; add sugar and vinegar. Bring to a full rolling boil over high heat, stirring constantly. Add pectin, stirring until mixture boils. Boil and stir for 1 minute.
- Remove from the heat; skim off foam. Add food coloring if desired. Carefully ladle hot mixture into hot half-pint jars, leaving 1/4-in. headspace. Remove air bubbles, wipe rims and adjust lids. Process for 10 minutes in a boiling-water canner. Yield: 3-1/2 pints.
Editor's Note: The processing time listed is for altitudes of 1,000 feet or less. Add 1 minute to the processing time for each 1,000 feet of additional altitude.
Originally published as Rosemary Jelly in Country Woman November/December 1999, p40
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Reviewed Aug. 22, 2010
"Although this jelly has a slight aroma of vinegar, it has a very nice flavor. I think the rosemary flavor needs to be a bit stronger, so I will make it again using 3 T minced rosemary instead of 2 T."
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"I would say 3 half pints with the amount stated above."
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"I'm confused about the yield of this recipe. Does it make three half pints or 3 1/2 pints (seven half pints)?"


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OKLAHOMA CITY (July 2, 2013) – A Thanksgiving-week trip to Hawaii highlights the Oklahoma Christian women's basketball schedule for the 2013-14 season, which was announced Tuesday.
The 27-game schedule for coach Stephanie Findley's squad also includes a two-game trip to Colorado along with a 20-game Heartland Conference schedule. OC's number of conference games has increased this season with the addition of Rogers State and Lubbock Christian (Texas) – both former Sooner Athletic Conference rivals – into the Heartland Conference.
OC's games will count in the Heartland standings, although conference officials refuse to allow the Lady Eagles to compete for the regular-season title while the university is in the NCAA Division II membership process. Had the Lady Eagles' conference games counted last season, they would have finished third in the league. OC went 20-13 overall.
The Lady Eagles' season opener will be at 1 p.m. on Nov. 9, when they host York (Neb.) in the annual homecoming game. Three days later, OC will host longtime rival Southern Nazarene at 5:30 p.m. OC beat eventual National Christian College Athletic Association champion SNU in two out of three meetings last season, including in the NCCAA Central Region title game.
The Lady Eagles will play in a classic at Colorado State-Pueblo on Nov. 15-16, facing Colorado School of Mines at 2 p.m. Central time the first day and the host school at 6 p.m. Central time on the second day.
OC then open conference play at St. Mary's (Texas) on Nov. 21, followed by a trip to Heartland rival Texas A&M International on Nov. 23. Conference game times are 5:30 p.m. for Thursday games and 1 p.m. for Saturday games.
The Lady Eagles next will travel to Honolulu and spend six days in the islands while playing a pair of games in the O'ahu Thanksgiving Classic. OC will face Hawaii Pacific at 9 p.m. Central time on Nov. 27 and Chaminade (Hawaii) at 7 p.m. Central time on Nov. 28. It will be the first time the Lady Eagles ever have played in Hawaii.
The first of two four-game conference homestands will begin Dec. 5 against St. Edward's (Texas). OC will host McMurry (Texas) on Dec. 7, Lubbock Christian on Dec. 14 and defending conference regular-season champion Texas-Permian Basin on Dec. 16. OC beat UTPB in the final regular-season game of the 2012-13 campaign.
After the Christmas break, OC will return to conference play, visiting Arkansas-Fort Smith on Jan. 2 and Rogers State on Jan. 4. The Lady Eagles' final nonconference game will be Jan. 9 at Washburn (Kan.), with the game time set for 7 p.m.
A game against Oklahoma Panhandle State on Jan. 16 will start another four-game homestand, during which OC will host Newman (Kan.) on Jan. 18, Texas A&M International on Jan 23 and St. Mary's on Jan. 25.
Then comes a four-game road trip to McMurry on Jan. 30, St. Edward's on Feb. 1, Texas-Permian Basin on Feb. 6 and Lubbock Christian on Feb. 8.
OC will close the home portion of its schedule with a two-game homestand against Rogers State on Feb. 13 and Arkansas-Fort Smith on Feb. 15. The Lady Eagles will visit Newman on Feb. 27 and Oklahoma Panhandle State on March 1 to wrap up the regular season.
The Lady Eagles again will participate in the NCCAA Central Region tournament in March, although the site has yet to be determined.


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BTW as an unforseen byproduct of this trade we had Linsanity happen.
Where are all these people who were laughing at the Knicks saying they gave up too much for Carmelo? Let's break it down
Knicks gave up:
To Denver -
Danilo Gallinari - nice player, really a 14 and 6 guy but his stats will be higher next couple years since Denver has nobody else who can fill a box score.
Wilson Chandler - decent role player, dime a dozen in the nba.
Raymond Felton - already back in a knicks uniform
Timofey Mozgov - scrub
To Minnesota -
Anthony Randolph - a nobody
Eddy Curry - ru kidding?
In return the Knicks got arguably the best scorer in the league and an MVP candidate who is leading them to a 50+ win season this year. They have also made the playoffs every season since the trade btw.
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BTW as an unforseen byproduct of this trade we had Linsanity happen.
Still wish he had gone to the NETS. He is way better then Williams.
Yeah, the Knicks definitely got the better end of the trade.
Though not possible, I wish they still had Danilo because I think he'd be a good 3 with Melo at the 4 and Chandler at the 5.


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And not only because the Mount Abraham Union High School girls again went undefeated in Division II on the way to a repeat title, but also because senior Ashlie Fay earned a rare three-peat: Fay is for the third time the Addison Independent Girls' Basketball Player of the Year.
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Cobb sharp for 4 innings, Rays beat Pirates 4-2
BRADENTON, Fla. (AP) -- Alex Cobb said that knowing he has a spot in the Tampa Bay Rays' rotation has freed him to work on pitches without worrying about results.
There has been no cause for concern with the results of his past two outings. On Thursday, the 25-year-old right-hander allowed just one hit, no runs, no walks and struck out five in four innings in a 4-2 win over the Pirates.
The Rays scored four unearned runs against Jeanmar Gomez after Pittsburgh third baseman Gaby Sanchez was charged with a throwing error with two outs in the seventh inning. Wil Myers reached base and pinch-runner Hak-Ju Lee scored on the error, then Mike Fontenot singled and Tim Beckham hit a two-run double to make it 3-0.
Cobb retired the first eight batters he faced before Pittsburgh second baseman Josh Harrison singled in the third.
''I'm just working on my consistency; missing a pitch and then figuring out why I missed that pitch or why I did what I did and correcting it, or not correcting it and realizing why'' said Cobb, 25, who is expected to take the No. 4 spot in the rotation. ''I think a couple years being up and down at the big league level really helped me get to the point where I'm at right now. They're all learning points and I feel like I'm figuring them out right now.''
Right-hander Chris Archer pitched three scoreless innings for Tampa and the Pirates had only two hits going into the ninth. Matt Hague singled, Jared Goedert walked and Russell Martin doubled off Jake Odorizzi to make it 4-2.
Pittsburgh right-hander James McDonald gave up a single to the first batter he faced but no more. He walked the first two batters in the second but got out of the inning unscathed and finished with three walks and one strikeout in four scoreless innings, his best outing so far this spring.
''I was happy with the way I got a ground ball and a double-play,'' McDonald said. ''I'm big on that, not letting innings get too big. . I had to just step back, slow it down, refocus and make the next pitch. I think I got a little ahead of myself and sped the game up a little.''
McDonald gave up three home runs in his previous outing and entered the game with an ERA of 7.20.
''He's getting a little sharper,'' Pirates manager Clint Hurdle said. ''He was able to throw all four of his pitches. He controlled the running game and picked off a runner as well so it was a good day for him.''
Cobb, who focused on his first-pitch curve in three scoreless innings against Baltimore on Saturday, emphasized the cutter against Pittsburgh. He said the pitch is inconsistent now, but hopes it will become a punch-out pitch and, early in the count, a get-ahead pitch.
''If I didn't have a spot, I'd probably be a little hesitant to throw that pitch as much as I did,'' Cobb said. ''Knowing that I do have a spot I was able to go out there and try to attack with it.''
NOTE: Pittsburgh first baseman/right fielder Garrett Jones was scratched from the lineup because of a mild strain to the left oblique muscle. Jones played on Wednesday and felt minor discomfort on Thursday morning, and said his absence was precautionary. Jones will limit his action on Friday and be reevaluated on Saturday.


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Looks like you haven't switched to 2.2 yet
Does it matter whether to run 2.0.36 or 2.2.x? Don't think so, as long as 2.2 kernels keep getting released about every other day I'd stick with 2.0.. but hey, some may argue different
kernel-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 3266 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 4439 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernel-2.2.5-4.i586.rpm 4356 Kb Tue Apr 6 19:27:00 1999 kernel-2.2.5-4.i686.rpm 4355 Kb Tue Apr 6 20:04:00 1999 kernel-BOOT-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 2546 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-BOOT-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 2757 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:51:00 1999 kernel-doc-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 762 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-doc-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 766 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernel-headers-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 811 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-headers-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 829 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernel-ibcs-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 27 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-pcmcia-cs-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 184 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-pcmcia-cs-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 185 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:51:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 3070 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 4229 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:51:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.5-4.i586.rpm 4212 Kb Tue Apr 6 19:27:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.5-4.i686.rpm 4212 Kb Tue Apr 6 20:04:00 1999 kernel-source-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 11065 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-source-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 11608 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernelcfg-0.5-4.i386.rpm 17 Kb Thu Feb 25 16:47:00 1999 kernelcfg-0.5-5.i386.rpm 16 Kb Sun Mar 21 20:20:00 1999
So, it looks like there is now at least a smp kernel that will ship and be an option. But, Red Hat enables a heck-of-a-lot in thier default kernels. The best bet is to get the kernel__src.rpm and compile it yourself, because only inabling what _you_ need will always increase your system preformance a bit. (sometimes only a little, but it's a lot on older systems, so, it's a catch 22... if you have a slow system, you need to compile it, and it will compile slow, if you have a fast system, you could compile it more quickly, but don't need to as much).
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I got as far as 57 days before I wanted to upgrade kernels. I hated rebooting, it made me feel sick
On a lighter note, it really is time to upgrade if this is he machine you work on
Of course, there may be subtle timing bugs, but I haven't heard of any...
That is a server that, currently, is just running rc5des. But it has been running a variety of databases, from Sybase to DB2 to Oracle to MySQL to PostgreSQL...
It is just a poor Pentium 90 with 64 megs of RAM. It swaps pretty hard some times but keeps going. I've even had to move
I have to use NT on my computer at work, and I think it is pretty stable, but the last straw for MS was when I installed IE5.0 beta and it rebooted my machine without asking. Not even a 'rebooting now... ok' dialog. How can they expect people to do serious server tasks with so much rebooting?
The final release of IE5 did the same thing, it just provided a 'reboot? ok' dialog first. It still "makes" you reboot, it still sucks...
Of course, without the recent patch Win95 could not stay up longer than ~42 days due to a rollover in the counter, but I never managed better than about two weeks with it (and boy, that machine was dragging by then...).
In contrast, I've managed 7-week uptimes with Linux on a box with a screwy IDE controller -- while NT could barely last a day on it. Linux works better even on broken hardware!
The $299 was the support program as I recall.
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text: Marking its tenth consecutive year, Wells Fargo & Company (NYSE:WFC) was given the top rating of 100 percent on the Corporate Equality Index (CEI), earning the coveted distinction of being one of the "Best Places to Work for LGBT Equality." The Human Rights Campaign (HRC), America's largest civil rights organization working to achieve lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) equality, released its CEI report this week. The CEI provides an in-depth analysis and rating of large U.S. employers and their workplace policies and practices pertinent to LGBT employees. A total of 889 businesses were rated in the CEI this year. Wells Fargo was one of 252 considered best-in-class, an accolade it has earned every year since the company began participating in the CEI in 2003. "For the past decade, Wells Fargo has been recognized with a perfect 100 score on the Corporate Equality Index, an achievement that has great meaning for our company," said Jimmie Paschall, Wells Fargo Executive Vice President, Diversity and Inclusion. "We believe diversity is fundamental to our success – it is part of our Vision and Values – and it helps us develop an inclusive culture that is accepting of differences and open to new ideas, allowing us to create a competitive advantage in the marketplace. We are proud of our ongoing tradition and commitment to equality and inclusion for our LGBT team members - a trend we expect to continue in the years ahead." "We are extremely honored to be recognized as a best place to work for LGBT equality," said Pat Callahan, Wells Fargo's Chief Administrative Officer. "At Wells Fargo, we've made many strides over the years in developing an inclusive environment. This year, in particular, we are celebrating 25 years of support for our LGBT team members, customers, and communities. In 1987, Wells Fargo added sexual orientation to our nondiscrimination policy and since then, we've continued to foster a culture of equality for our LGBT team members." About Wells Fargo Wells Fargo & Company (NYSE:WFC) is a nationwide, diversified, community-based financial services company with $1.4 trillion in assets. Founded in 1852 and headquartered in San Francisco, Wells Fargo provides banking, insurance, investments, mortgage, and consumer and commercial finance through more than 9,000 stores, 12,000 ATMs, the Internet ( wellsfargo.com), and has offices in more than 35 countries to support the bank's customers who conduct business in the global economy. With more than 265,000 team members, Wells Fargo serves one in three households in the United States. Wells Fargo & Company was ranked No. 26 on Fortune's 2012 rankings of America's largest corporations. Wells Fargo's vision is to satisfy all our customers' financial needs and help them succeed financially.


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The five day course has attracted 21 school teachers, including three women who are being instructed on volleyball teaching techniques under the leadership of Course Director, Mr. Alemayehu Shoatatek.
The goal is motivate teachers to improve their techniques in the delivery and practical demonstration of basic skills to school children. The purpose is also to develop their theoretical and practical application of volleyball techniques in order to promote the sport at all ages and levels of competition.


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NEW YORK — Negotiations between the NHL and the locked-out players' association lasted deep into Tuesday night, and went well enough that the sides agreed to return to the bargaining table for more talks Wednesday.
Both sides kept details close to the vest after the meeting that lasted more than seven hours. That also could be taken as an optimistic sign that the second round of talks in four days went well.
The marathon session — on Day 52 of the lockout — was held at an undisclosed location in New York, at request of the NHL, in order for the sides to be able to talk without any potential distractions.
''Collective bargaining negotiations between the National Hockey League and representatives of the National Hockey League's Players' Association recessed tonight at 10:15 p.m.,'' NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in a statement. ''With meetings scheduled to resume Wednesday, the league will not characterize the substance or detail of the discussions until their conclusion.''
Not only were Daly and union special counsel Steve Fehr there, as they were for a long session by themselves Saturday, they were joined by commissioner Gary Bettman, NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr, a handful of team owners, and 13 players including Pittsburgh Penguins captain Sidney Crosby, who has been an active participant in the process.
''We're hopeful that we'll start bargaining and we'll continue bargaining until we find a way to make a deal,'' Donald Fehr said Tuesday before talks started. ''Sometimes that goes in rather long sessions with short breaks and sometimes you take a few hours or half a day or a day to work on things before you come back together. I don't know which it will be.
''We certainly hope we'll be continuing to meet on a regular basis. I hope they do, too. I'm just not making any predictions.''
Fehr's brother, Steve, met with Daly on Saturday in a secret location, and neither provided many details of what was discussed, but both agreed that the meeting was productive.
''The players' view has always been to keep negotiating until we find a way to get agreement and you sort of stay at it day by day, so it's very good to be getting back to the table,'' Donald Fehr said. ''We hope that this time it produces more progress than we've seen in the past.
''We're hopeful that we'll start bargaining and we'll continue bargaining until we find a way to make a deal.''
Time is becoming a bigger factor every day that passes without a deal. The lockout, which went into effect Sept. 16 after the previous collective bargaining agreement expired, has already forced the cancellation of 327 regular-season games — including the New Year's Day outdoor Winter Classic in Michigan.
Whether any of the games that have been called off through Nov. 30 can be rescheduled if an agreement is made soon hasn't been determined.
The NHL has already said that a full 82-game season won't be played.