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Neil Turbin was the original singer of Anthrax on their debut album FISTFUL OF METAL. In addition to co-writing the FISTFUL OF METAL album, he also contributed such thrash anthems as "Armed and Dangerous", "Raise Hell" and "Gung-Ho" for both the EP �ARMED AND DANGEROUS and SPREADING THE DISEASE. More recently Neil has released a solo album called THREATCON DELTA and is currently working on an album titled A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH with his new band called Deathriders with lead guitarists Steve McKnight and Kurt James, bassist Sandy Vasquez and drummer Chris Moore.
Stay Metal Thrashing Mad!
Interview by Marko Syrj�l� and Jarno Huovila.
Pics by Justice Howard, Jarno Huovila and www.neilturbin.com
Why don't you first tell us about your new band, Neil?
My band Deathriders formed in 2003 when we were asked to perform at an awards show in Los Angeles. Deathriders is a metal band.
You are currently working on a new album and the rough versions of the tracks you played us sounded very promising!
Thank you. The purpose of playing you some raw tracks is to show that Deathriders is not about nostalgia, but we are still old school. It wasn't produced, it wasn't mixed yet, just raw fucking elements. Nothing to hide. I am not afraid to step up to the plate and lay it on the line. It is what it is. It stands tall or falls flat.
So what is your song writing process like?
I write songs that are relevant to me and have a deeper meaning than their face value. If the listener gets it right away, then cool. In some cases it may take another listen or two. I have written songs in collaboration with lead guitarist Steve McKnight of DEATHRIDERS (Viper Soul, Metal Warrior, Dreams Never Die) and Swedish Master Guitarist, Dangerous Viking and my Brother of STEEL: Jonas Hornqvist (Rise Up, Forgotten Sons, Bridges Will Burn) of TREASURE LAND. I also have material that I have written on my own like �Riders of the Apocalypse� which I played for you. Steve, Jonas and I all have our own Pro Tools studios. As a result of this collaboration we have really sharpened our knife. I like to craft or compose a song that is both hard hitting in feeling and sound as well as meaning. I don�t just write riffs and throw lyrics and melodies on there. I intentionally write the specific key the song is in along with the tuning. We try to avoid the obvious as a general rule of thumb. DEATHRIDERS does not try to write with a formula. If anything, we typically write as an anti-formula to ensure that we don�t replicate, but maintain continuity.
What's on the horizon for Deathriders in the immediate future?
I am 110% committed and focused on Deathriders and in the writing and recording of �A Fate Worse Than Death�. We are currently confirming potential shows in Mexico and South America. These are both places where the fans are great and they really appreciate their metal, so we look forward to touring there soon.
Deathriders 2007
How did you end up joining Anthrax back in the day?
I put out an ad out in what was called "Good Times Magazine". After the issue was out for about 3 or 4 weeks, Scott called me and asked if I would be interested in his band called Anthrax as they were looking for a singer for months and had just started to do some shows. I then proceeded to tell him that I was in a band called Amra for a month at that point and only lasted a few months. This was back in early 1982. I saw an ad in Good Times Magazine from a month previous and it turned out to be Scott and ANTHRAX. Scott sounded reluctant on the telephone. Scott and Danny Lilker came over to my house in Bayside, NY and we then proceeded to play demos and live tapes for each other. At the time out of necessity they were using Scott's brother Jason Rosenfeld who was 13 or 14 years old. Then I met with the other guys in the band at rehearsal: Greg Walls and Dave Weiss. Soon after that I met the Anthrax roadies, Scott Setari, Tom Beach and John Connelly who were buddies of Dan Lilker and Scott. Greg told me years later how Scott had said that he didn�t want me in the band in the first place, but Greg, Danny and Dave all voted me in. They told me they were looking for an experienced singer and I already had a history and had experience playing the NYC club circuit with numerous gigs at Max�s Kansas City, Great Gildersleeves, CBGB�s, etc. I had two weeks to learn all of Anthrax�s material and play at Great Gildersleeves in September 1982. It was interesting material at the time which was a mixture of classic heavy metal, hard rock and some Iron Maiden riffs thrown together for those of you out there who might have early Anthrax demos you know what I�m talking about. It was very guitar riff oriented, but not really tailored for the vocals. Since everything was more or less in the key of E and tuned to standard A440, which makes you sing in a much higher range than if you were tuned to E flat or dropped D as most metal bands are tuned to today.
How long did it take for labels to get interested in Anthrax?
It wasn't labels, it was just Johnny and Marsha Z, they basically had a place at a flea market and sold imported picture discs, records, tapes, posters and magazines.
Did you have any idea about the business side of things back then?
I was not fully acclimated into business yet and to be honest, I was very naive about the entire process. I was purely an artist for art�s sake and out to create the best music I could dream up. I did not consult with attorneys, I was not prepared to fight with sharks, savages and bloodsuckers. I should have because that�s who we were dealing with. There was no exit clause in our contract and I helped establish the brand during the time I was in the band. I never saw a penny for any merchandise that was ever sold during the two years while I was in the band.I once called Johnny Z and asked him for $200 and a tour jacket that he was giving away to everyone else in the band. He told me "NO" on the $200 and asked me to pay for the tour jacket. I told him he could pay for the tour jacket himself out of all the money he�d been making from T-shirts and album sales or go find somebody else to sing for free. It was great, because that night we played Roseland and it was the one and only time I had my own hotel room and dressing room on the tour. It was cool because I had some people backstage that were actually nice and fun to be with like Richie Stotts from The Plasmatics. What happened after that was already set in stone.
Do you still get paid royalties from the songs you wrote for Anthrax?
The answer is yes to "Fistful of Metal", but NO on the other albums with my songs on them. There are albums on Island, Universal and Sanctuary that have songs I�ve written on them, like �Deathrider�, "Metal Thrashing Mad", �Panic�, �Gung Ho� and �Armed and Dangerous� that I have never received any royalties on. Anthrax has re-recorded my songs several times and I have not seen DIME ONE!
Can you tell us something about the personnel of the early Anthrax?
Well, Scott was the leader of the band. It was Dan Lilker and Scott who started Anthrax and I became part of that equation with Greg Walls and also with Dave Weiss who unfortunately had a hit and run car accident. There was a time we were in a studio in New York City and I just said to those two guys "I don't know if we can go on like this.", I had serious doubts about continuing with Scott and Danny at that point, since we had lost both our great lead guitar player Greg Walls and our drummer Greg d'Angelo. Scott and Danny Lilker were childhood friends and I was the odd man out.Greg d�Angelo was actually a very interesting member of Anthrax, he had a beautiful white $10,000 Sonor double bass drum kit, a 1968 427 Shelby Cobra, a Stingray Corvette, an amazing house in Great Neck, NY and a huge Ford econoline van in which both Anthrax and Metallica were pulled over by NYPD and ordered to get out of the vehicle. We were drinking a 12-pack of beers that we had to hide. What I remember most about that is that Cliff Burton just held onto his beer and didn�t want to put it down. He just held it at his side, the cops were looking in the van with flashlights and made us get out onto Queens Blvd. near the old Lamours. They let us go, which was a surprise to me, since it had to have looked like we were guilty of having too much fun! We were definitely up to no good!
Early Anthrax promoshot...
Is it really true that you fired Dan Lilker back in the day?
No, not at all. No one gave me the keys to the kingdom, I wasn't in charge of Anthrax and never had that kind of decision making power over the rest of the band. We were a band on a record label, so no I didn't have that kind of control over the band. No one died and left me in charge. It was a band decision and not my personal decision. The label and management were behind the bands decision to replace Dan Lilker. There were four members in the band and the three other than myself could�ve outvoted me, if they wanted to. Scott called Dan Lilker and broke the news to him. Scott called me the same exact way. That was before they invented email. They just used me as a scapegoat after I was out of the band. If they wanted him so badly, why didn�t they invite him back to re-join the band when they had the chance?
Who was calling the shots back in those days then?
Well, basically Scott Rosenfeld, Jon Zazula and Marsha Zazula... and Tony Incigeri, the management company Crazed Management, were in charge. I thought I was friends with Charlie, but he just played it off that way and was very tight with Scott. There was a power struggle going on that I really wasn�t aware of at the time. You see I was a main songwriter on the "Fistful of Metal" album with Scott and Danny Lilker and on "Armed and Dangerous" Gung Ho and Raise Hell with Scott. Charlie played guitar as well as drums and started to make a push for his songwriting ideas, which were different than the sound and direction we had on the first album. So it�s pretty safe to say that I wasn�t calling the shots which reaffirms the answer to your previous question.
Neil on stage !!
Getting back to the personnel, how about Charlie Benante and Frankie Bello?
Charlie was basically brought in by Scott and then there was pressure put on the band to go with Frankie because we were without a bass player and were getting ready to tour. Frankie was a roadie for the band and also knew the songs, but was Charlie�s nephew which was a big RED FLAG! Ultimately this kept the voting process within the band very one sided, which was similar to when Dan Lilker was in the band. He would rarely if ever go against Scott. The same holds true for Charlie. I thought I was friends with Charlie and I spoke often and confided in him, but the feeling was not mutual and there was much that I was not aware. Whether it was childhood friends, a family member, or a social clique, it does not make for a fair democratic decision process. Therefore personal agendas and politics of the band were strategically aligned from the beginning and were eventually carried out.I ran into Frankie Bello and John Tempesta back in September 2004 and they were both cool as fuck! Frankie was always a hyper kind of guy, you can probably tell from the way he moves around on stage. He was very respectful and you could tell that he had grown alot as a person and an artist. We had fun hanging out at the Rainbow on the Sunset Strip.
..and finally, what about Dan Spitz?
You mean Dan �THE DIVA� Spitz? Dan Spitz had this HUMONGOUS EGO, was highly opinionated, high maintenance and Napoleonic. He tried to jump on the bandwagon and blame me and say I had lead singer�s syndrome, but anyone who has read his interviews can attest to the fact that Dan is the opposite of humble.I can remember a few times when we tried to write together, we once tried to write a theme song for a WWF wrestler named �Sergeant Slaughter� (CRAZED Managements brilliant idea) and the parts he would come up with sounded like something a fan of Van Halen would come up with. It certainly didn�t sound like Anthrax! We couldn�t get it to work, so we abandoned it. When I showed him my guitar riff for the verse in �Death from Above� on my 1978 Gibson Explorer when he was over at my house, he claimed it for his own after he conveniently forgot to remember I wrote it. The reason I didn�t write more music is because the guitar players in the band did not want to listen to or respect my musical ideas since they had their own strong opinions. Hence the then working environment and politics of the band.Dan was really a part-time band member of the band since he lived in Orangeburg, New York, a couple of hours away and he would infrequently come to band rehearsals that everyone else were at five nights a week. I went out of my way to try to get him into the band, to convince him because we needed a hot lead guitar player and thought his pentatonic scales were interesting at the time.
Any other Anthrax stories you'd like to share?
When we played in San Francisco at the Kabuki Theater in San Francisco in July 1984, I later read interviews where Anthrax claimed that I was disrespectful to the kids who were jumping on the stage and I pushed a few off. The reason for this is because I thought they were going towards Dan Spitz. I threw them back in the crowd because this had never happened to the band before at any show like it did in SF. This was the first time a bunch of people from the crowd jumped onstage, including James Hetfield from Metallica. That�s when I got the idea, OK this is what happens now in Metal. This was an amazing sold out gig of 3000 screaming metalheads. The awful thing was that I was in bed with strep throat and a high fever and was at the hotel until just 45 minutes before stage time. I was in pretty bad shape and to be honest don�t know how I pulled it off. Then in an interview done by the band somewhere I read they said that I was disrespectful to the fans. What a steaming pile of shit! Lies! Utter nonsense! I wasn�t going to let some overzealous fan end our tour by charging at our guitar player at the time, even if it was Dan Spitz. I completely acted on instinct when someone gets in my face, I was just helping throw a couple back into the crowd. It was actually a lot of fun. The crowd started jumping on the other side of the stage away from me since they knew better, which looking back was kind of funny. Nowadays they can jump onstage and do a lot worse things than that.
Why did you decide to leave Anthrax?
Some decisions you choose to make, others are made for you. The writing was on the wall. Well, there were really mutual reasons leading up to what was inevitable. There was poor communication within the band and with management to the rest of the band, personal agendas, resentment, jealousy, disrespect, disloyalty and NO PAY! I hung in there for as long as I could tolerate it. I was only there for the music.
What did you do after leaving Anthrax?
I worked a normal job like everyone else to pay for my trip to California. When I gathered up enough funds I left it all behind and started a new beginning. I played with alot of bands and ended up meeting Kuni, he was a japanese guitar player I became roommates with.
After that you had what from pictures looked like a hair metal band called Turbin that you never eventually released anything with, right?
We were not a hair metal band. We did a photo shoot with Neil Zlozower at the time and he had a girl who did hair and make-up, so we just went along. At the time many hard rock/heavy metal groups had a similar look. We were a heavy rock band. If you thought we were something else, than you were mistaken. I had Dave McClain, who now plays with Machine Head, in the band. As far as not releasing an album, you are correct but we did record two demos, showcased and had interest from Bill Aucoin, Kenny Kerner from Music Connection, Spencer Proffer (Pasha Music) and Kim (the guy who wrote some KISS songs).
Claude and Neil
Later on you at one point collaborated with Claude Schnell, who used to play with Dio, can you tell us about that?
I saw Claude perform with Dio in Paris, France when they headlined the Breaking Sound Festival in 1984. Claude Schnell is an amazing composer, always has funny stories and is a true perfectionist among perfectionists. I worked with Claude for 3 years from 1996 to 1999. It was piano and vocal and that�s it. It comes across very honest that way because the raw instruments need to sound strong with note for note accuracy and precision. Claude plays a Steinway and Sons Grand Piano built in 1887 which is quite magnificent. His compositions are very classical, refined and highly complex in melody and structure. They are reminiscent of classics that Elton John, Meat Loaf or Billy Joel would write in an elegant classical rock sort of way. It was always challenging to keep the vocal technique very sharpened in order to execute Claude�s songs. Not what you would expect from someone who got his start singing thrash metal.
The newest release from you is your solo album "Threatcon Delta" from 2003, right?
Yes, it was released in August 2003.
It's somewhat hard to get, isn't it?
Yes, distribution was very limited. So if you own a copy hold on to it because it may be difficult to replace. I now own the rights to the album, but I don�t have any plans to re-release it.
Is the song "Vigilante Justice" on that album purely fictional or was it actually inspired by a real event?
It is completely non-fictional about Bernard Goetz who was taking the subway in New York and was approached by four young assailants who were attempting to gang up on him and rob him. He basically pulled out his firearm instead of his wallet and gave them all bullets in lieu of money. I don�t advocate the use of excessive force or violence, but hey sometimes you have no other choice than to stand up for your human rights.
Was Rob Halford ever an influence on your early singing style?
Oh, Halford is a killer singer, the guy is just phenomenal. Rob Halford was definitely an inspiration as a a singer and frontman. I've always loved Halford's style, his range and great ability to capture the crowd. A guy like Rob Halford is like a Freddie Mercury, a Glenn Hughes. There was NO one in his league that could match his voice and stage charisma. These singers are performers that are one in a billion like Stevie Wonder. He could never be replaced with all due respect to Tim �Ripper� Owens. I mean Halford as a frontman is unshakable. I saw him with Judas Priest on the "Screaming for Vengeance" tour at the Madison Square Garden. I met him in 1980�s, he's a gentleman, terrifically polite, very kind, congenial and humble. Rob is fucking cool and a total class act. I saw Judas Priest play the last show of the �Point of Entry� tour on the pier in NYC where they threw their studded belts and jackets to the crowd . I also saw them a few years back on OzzFest. I thought "Hell Bent for Leather" was beyond the beyond, and then they totally raised the bar with "British Steel" and "Screaming for Vengeance", and that's the kind of music I appreciate. One of the first bands that I played with, the second band I tried to join at 14 years old, they played me one of the songs from "Hell Bent for Leather" and I was like "How am I supposed to compete with that?" Halford fucking blew me away, just unreal, I mean it was vocals from another planet.
Were you ever into KISS?
Neil Turbin: My aunt�s sister Robin used to date Paul Stanley when they were next door neighbors in Kew Gardens in Queens, NY. She used to babysit me when I was very young and who knows if she invited him over, since she probably couldn�t do much at her house with her parents there. Anyway she used to refer to him as Stanley and her mother said she was in NYC and saw him playing guitar on the street (way before KISS) and she gave him a dollar.
I saw KISS for the first time in December 1978 at Madison Square Garden with the band Piper opening up. I was in the nosebleed section - upper deck bleacher seats. I remembered going there as a kid to go see the Ringling Brothers and Barnum Bailey Circus. When KISS hit the stage, it was like the most amazing experience ever. Fire, spitting blood, great songs, great theatrics, big hydraulic stage, more pyro than in Hades and bombs. Ace Frehley shocked me with smoking guitar, big Peter Criss drum solo, "Christine Sixteen", "Calling Dr. Love", "Firehouse", "Detroit Rock City", "Rock and Roll All Nite". This was right when KISS "Alive 2" came out. Wow, it was a life changing event. Seeing KISS for the first-time at their pinnacle was a mind blowing experience.
Are there any bands or singers in the current metal scene that you like?
Neil Turbin: There are so many. To name a few off the top I think Tobias Sammet of Edguy, Johnny Lindqvist of Nocturnal Rites, Ralf Scheepers of Primal Fear, Ronnie Munroe of Metal Church, Russell Allen of Symphony X, Stu Block of Into Eternity, Tim "Ripper" Owens, Sean Peck, Zp Theart of Dragonforce, Bruce Hall, James Rivera and of course Glenn Hughes are among my favorites.
Thank you for the interview, Neil !!!
After leaving Anthrax, Neil has remained constant and steady in numerous bands and recording projects including solo bands and album projects starting in chronological order as compiled by the original Deathrider himself:
1979, 1980, 1981 NEWRACE � Played CBGB�s First Club Gig, MAX�S KANSAS CITY and GREAT GILDERSLEEVES numerous times. Recorded footage for a video at the World Trade Center in NYC 1980.
1982 AMRA � A band that I joined for 3 months in early 1982.
DESTROYER � Cover band for fun with the guitar player of the NY band RUST. Even shorter lived than AMRA � Played Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, KISS, UFO covers.
ANTHRAX � I saw an ad in Good Times Magazine from a month previous and it turned out to be Scott and ANTHRAX. Scott and Danny Lilker came over to my house in Bayside, NY and we then proceeded to play demos and live tapes for each other. Then I met with the other guys in the band at rehearsal: Greg Walls and Dave Weiss. Greg told me years later how Scott had said that he didn�t want me in the band in the first place, but Greg, Danny and Dave all voted me in.
1982 - 1984 Joined Anthrax in September 1982 played first gig two weeks from initally joining Anthrax.
1984 - Left Anthrax in August 1984. One week after August 3, 1984 Roseland gig with Raven and Metallica.
1985-1986 Wrote Kuni Album - Recorded with Chuck Wright, Frankie Banali, Kevin Dubrow.
Kuni - Masque Album. Kuni later took the demo tape that I had of CARY SHARAF from Billy Squier�s band with MARK BOALS incredible singing on it and had JEFF SCOTT SOTO who was equally incredible, sing on his next album on the song �Memories of You� . This was a weird move since I had the demo and had auditioned for CARY SHARAF�s band when I moved to LA in 1985. Kuni lifted the song from my tape and used it for his second album. Sorry Mark!
1986-1987 Turbin (version 1.0 with Dave McClain, Doug Morrison, Kurt Kasinoff) Played gigs at The Country Club in Reseda, CA with RACER X and LION.
1987-1988 Kurt James Band (Steeler, Driver, Black Sheep, Dr.Mastermind) Gary Shea (Alcatrazz) Andrew Dezarn, Jim, Scott from Atomic Punks, John Fuentes which recorded tracks for an album with Allan Holdsworth producing.
1989 Turbin (version 2.0 with Bobby Pieper, Curran Stromberg, Gary Montemer, Walter Garces) Played The Roxy Theatre, Gazzari�s, The Marquee. Recorded demo at The Record Plant in Los Angeles and rehearsed at YO studios where Sam Kinison used to rehearse.
1990 Wrecking Crew with (Bobby Pieper of XYZ, Joe Christafanelli, Joe Pafumi, Dwayne Barron, Richie on Drums). Recorded a demo with James Christian (House of Lords) producing at his studio in Burbank.
1991 Bad Apples (Sean Flynn, Todd Flynn, Robert Hernandez, Jeff Coffer) formerly known as JAVELIN � Recorded 2 demos at SIR Studios Hollywood and played numerous shows The Whiskey with SILENT RAGE, Jezebels, FM Station, Gazzarri�s.
Project with Lanny Cordola, Michael Guy, Chuck Wright � Recorded demo Devil Rocked Your Cradle.
1992 Soundtrack recording project Bob Kulick, Chuck Wright, Jimmy Waldo � Recorded 2 song Demo for movie.
1993 � Recording Project with Finnish guitarist Petri Nauha of Radio Mafia Finland.
1994 � Medicine Man with Al Estrada (Cover Band played for fun Pier 52, Hurricanes, Perq�s).
1996-1999 Claude Schnell Band (DIO,Rough Cutt) Piano and Vocal � Claude�s material.
2000 Voodoo Rhythm Devils Project with Swedish Guitarist Stefan Lindqvist and Mike Daley.
August 8, 2001 � Signed Album deal with Metal Mayhem as solo artist.
2001-2003 Neil Turbin Solo � Vernon Anderson, Henry Moreno, Mitch Perry, Steve Ornest, Jamie Carter, Izzy Diaz, Dario Seixas.
2001 Established Website - neilturbin.com and commenced songwriting for future album.2002 Chuck Wright, Lanny Cordola � Paid Session vocal work �FAITH� cover.2003 Session work � backing vocals on �Mistaken� with Tracy G on guitar/Amsterdam for Metal Mayhem.
2003 Neil Turbin - Threatcon Delta Album Released � Album delayed by 6 months+ due to Jet City Studios withholding master recordings. � Middle Finger Records intervened to release album in cojunction with Metal Mayhem.2003 DEATHRIDERS (Kurt James, Beau Simpson, Mike Giordano (CAGE), Mikey Nielson (CAGE), 2005 - Gene McEwen.
2005 - Jack Frost - Out In The Cold - Wrote and Recorded CRUCIFIXATION with Jack Frost with MARK BOALS (Yngwie Malmsteen, Ring Of Fire, Ted Nugent) producing.
2007 DEATHRIDERS �A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH� Lineup (Kurt James (Steeler, Black Sheep, Driver, Dr. Mastermind) � Lead Guitar, Sandy K. Vasquez (Bloodlust, Last Rites) Bass, Chris Moore � (vvsi, Orcus) and introducing the newest DEATHRIDER � Steve McKnight (Cry Wolf, Mike Inez (ALICE IN CHAINS, OZZY) and Randy Castillo (Ozzy, Motley Crue) band on Lead Guitar. Exciting News: Along with Steve McKnight joining DEATHRIDERS and also collaborating as a co-writer and in co-production, DEATHRIDERS are also collaborating in both songwriting and performance with brilliant Swedish guitar phenomenon JONAS HORNQVIST from Swedish progressive power metal band TREASURE LAND. DEATHRIDERS are in the midst of writing and recording their debut album �A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH�.
DEATHRIDERS OFFICIAL WEBSITEwww.DEATHRIDERS.net
DEATHRIDERS OFFICIAL MYSPACEwww.myspace.com/deathriders
DEATHRIDERS OFFICIAL MESSAGE BOARDhttp://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/deathriders-129/
NEIL TURBIN OFFICIAL MYSPACEwww.myspace.com/neilturbin


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Story time on Tuesday, October 8 will be done by the Reinbeck Fire Department, in observance of fire safety week. This will take place at 10:00 a.m. Michele Knaack did the previous story time on September 24. A large group of children enjoyed the activities and stories with Michele.
New books this week include:
NONFICTION: Killing Jesus by Bill O'Reilly, Tenacious by Jeremy Williams, Parkland by Vincent Bugliosi and Out of the Blue by Scott Thoma, which is the story of two sisters and their miraculous survival of one of the most powerful tornadoes in Minnesota.
FICTION: Deadline by Sandra Brown, Grace Unplugged by Melody Carlson, Grounded by Neta Jackson, Doctor Sleep by Stephen King and The Lowland by Jhumpa Lahiri.


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Earth Hour 2013 will be held on Saturday March 23 at 8:30pm - 9:30pm wherever you are in the world. So save the date and keep coming back to www.earthhour.org to see the world unite to protect the planet.
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Trade Revis.
(someone was going to say it)
I was just looking at some team stats and rankings on ESPN and we're ranked 8th. 3rd in Passing D, 28th in Rushing D, and 8th in Total D.
Da fuq? Seems so odd for some reason.
Conversely, we're ranked 30th in Total Offense, 30th in Passing Offense, and 11th in Rushing Offense. We're only ahead of Arizona and Jacksonville in Total Offense.
Damn, it's a good thing we have Murk Sanchurz to save us from our 8th ranked D and 11th ranked running game.
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Trade Revis.
(someone was going to say it)
Not shocked about the passing numbers. Despite still having little pass rush, (and no Revis) we don't seem to really get picked apart too badly. A pass rusher would help with the 3rd down issues we have against good teams.
Lots of room for improvement against the run. Speaks mostly to how bad our linebackers are with Harris' recent regression.
All in all, pretty good, especially considering they're ALWAYS on the field.
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Like last year in Denver our D took a lot of flack for giving up the game winning drive to tebow - but watching that game our offence was terrible - the D was on the field all night, couple that with the short week and the altitude, they were really worn down, if our offence had not had so many 3 and outs I really think we would have stopped tebow and won that game.
We have a very good defence, it just gets no help from or offence which is among if not the worst in the league.
We can't stop the run so no one has to even bother passing the ball. Some of the blowouts early mean teams didn't exactly have to go all out passing the ball. Im sure some of these stats were definitely helped by the last 2 weeks.
The only D stats that really matter are points and turnovers.
I understand Cro has been playing at an All-Pro level this season but I don't agree with Trading Revis. I rather have a once in a lifetime talent and trade Cro. For all the BS us Jets fans deal with it's nice to have a Superstar player on our team
I'll take Cro at a smaller paycheck than to be handcuffed to Revis and the gigantic paycheck he's going to want.
You don't win dick when you can't build up a team because a good portion of your cap space is invested in a god damn cornerback.
Last edited by McGinley; 12-10-2012 at 02:15 PM.
Oh good lord a top 10 defense. Top 10 sucky defense that:
never gets pressure on the opposing QB even when they blitz
loses 34-0, 30-9, 49-19 at home
has a 3 point lead in NE with 1 minute to go and can't get off of the field ultimately losing that game..
give me a break already with the BS
This team is 6-7 and flat out mediocre. Period.
Maybe if our Failchez and the offense was worth a dick then our D wouldn't constantly be on the field and tired. When they're constantly on the field, the Offense is going to score.
Last edited by McGinley; 12-10-2012 at 02:19 PM.
As mentioned above, not top-10 in points, and our stats have been padded from the past two weeks against AZ and Jax.
Another year of having a good defense and another year of having a bottom 5 QB. Shockingly enough, it's another year with the same QB too.


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W hen Martina Nemcova was 15, she made the decision to leave her home in Prague, Czech Republic, to attend a prestigious international boarding school near Lake Tahoe called Squaw Valley Academy. She's spent the last three and a half years in Boulder studying human resource management at the University of Colorado-Boulder.
We caught up with Nemcova to chat about her life, being finance director for CU Snowboarding and her thoughts on female snowboarders.
When did you start snowboarding?
I started snowboarding when I was about 11 or 12, because our friend owned a snowboard school and my parents were avid skiers so I was always in the mountains. I tried snowboarding and loved it.
And so what made you decide to go to school in the United States? It was kind of a quick decision. This opportunity came up from people around snowboarding back home and it just sounded like a great school. (At school) we went riding every day. We had school from 8 a.m. to 12 p.m., I believe, and then we had all afternoon to snowboard because we were only about five minutes from the lift. We had all afternoon. When it snowed a lot, we would have a powder day, which means we didn't have school and just rode.
What are your duties as finance director for CU Snowboarding (besides shredding)? I'm responsible for paying our coaches, accepting dues from students and just all the expenses we have.
How often do you try to ride each week? Where do you like to go? I try to make my schedule so that I have classes on Tuesday and Thursdays, so I try to ride five days a week. There are weeks when I'm really busy, but always at least three days. My favorite, I would say probably Breckenridge here in Colorado. I've always ridden the half pipe the most, and Breckenridge has one of the best pipes in the world... I'm not too much of a rail rider, I like jumps and the half pipe.
What are your plans for after graduation in May?
I'm going to move back to Europe, which I'm really excited about because I haven't lived there since I was 15. I'm excited to be close to family and friends again. I'm looking into jobs. I don't know quite yet, I'll probably take the summer off, travel around, but when I get back I'll have to get a big-girl job and start being responsible.
I'm trying to use all the contacts I have in the snowboard world to get a job within it, but after living in Squaw Valley and living in Colorado, I've gotten too spoiled and used to the fact that I can go snowboarding anytime I want. I'll definitely try to do something in the industry so I can stay around the sport.
Tell us about some of your gnarliest crashes or injuries.
I've had three knee surgeries so far and I'm 22, so we'll see where that goes. I just actually kind of hurt myself last week but hopefully I'll be OK. I took some gnarly falls when I was younger when I still wasn't scared. I had some back injuries and once I caught a really gnarly edge and cracked my helmet and everything. The worst has been my knees because you can't ride.
Do you feel like the perception of female snowboarders and skiers is changing? Are women catching up to men?
I just got back from the X Games, actually, and Elena Hight just did a double cork. Snowboarding for girls is moving really fast. Girls are doing bigger tricks on the same jumps the guys are using, which is kind of incredible because they're huge. It's really big -- they're keeping up with the men. Even though it might not be thought of as exciting for spectators I think women's snowboarding is going the right way. Girls are pushing it really hard.
I hope I've helped some girls on the team to get into more snowboarding. I feel like just being up there, just riding and loving it and living the lifestyle, I think just doing that is a part of it.
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DB2 Connect is a licensed product which allows applications to connect to DB2 for Z® and DB2 for i® data servers using various driver APIs like CLI/ODBC, JCC/JDBC, .NET provider, embedded SQL, etc. There are various DB2 Server Editions which based on the organization need customer would buy one of those. lists the same (search for "DB2 Connect"). This article concentrates only on the license mechanism in DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for system Z® and DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for system i®.
Prior to DB2 V9.7 FP3, a license was needed at the client work station when connecting to DB2 for z/OS® and DB2 for IBM i®. In order to obtain the license, customers were needed to purchase a specific DB2 Connect edition. If Customers purchase DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for system Z® and DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for system i® for direction connections to host servers, each of these editions has a license kit and the license file/jar (e.g. db2consv_zs.lic for non java clients and db2jcc_license_cisuz.jar for java clients) deployed in the activation kit / CD which need to be registered at each client machine that wishes to access the DB2 for z/OS or DB2 for IBM i host systems and hence the licensing mechanism is termed as "client based unlimited licensing". A detailed list of various DB2 Connect offerings is listed below:
The detailed description of licensing in DB2 can be found below:
Shortcomings in client based unlimited licensing:
Outlined below are the short comings that existed with client based unlimited licensing model:
- Need to install/register the license in each client machine where data access is desired.
- Once an unlimited license is installed in a machine, access is available for any z/OS subsystem, not just the one that was activated.
How did we overcome above listed shortcomings:
Starting DB2 Connect V9.7 FP3, IBM introduced alternate and recommended mechanism to apply "DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System z® (Host Server and MSU)" license over traditional client-side local db2consv_zs.lic file and starting DB2 Connect V10.5, IBM has extended new license mechanism even with DB2 for IBM i® data servers as alternate way to apply "DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System i® (Managed Processor) " (traditionally using db2consv_is.lic).and the method is referred to as "server based unlimited licensing". This new method needs user to run db2connectactivate utility which activates "DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System z® (Host Server and MSU)" and DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System i® license on the server.
describes various options of db2connectactivate utility. db2connectactivate was designed to implement server based licensing that would install host based license when connecting to DB2 for z/OS and DB2 for IBM i. Please note that the server based license only applies to direct connect configurations. A license file is still required at the DB2 Connect server when using DB2 Connect gateway server to connect to host databases (DB2 for z/OS and DB2 for IBM i)
Advantages to Server based unlimited licensing:
- License is activated ONLY once per z/OS database.
- Limits the access to the databases on which the license is installed.
What is db2connectactivate utility?
db2connectactivate is a Java-based license activation utility and is shipped as part of the DB2 Connect activation kit for "DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System z® (Host Server and MSU)" and "DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System i® (Managed Processor) " versions. Users can as well download this activation kit from IBM passport advantage access.
For more details on where to get db2connectactivate and its pre-requisites, One can refer to the link below:
where to get db2connectactivate and pre-requisites
db2connectactivate utility creates SYSIBM.DB2CON_LIC stored procedure on the database server which carries necessary license key information for activation of "DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System z® (Host Server and MSU)" license. If database server is version before V9, then equivalent UDF viz. SYSTOOLS.DB2CON_LIC will be created (as those servers does not support stored procedures).
Starting DB2 Connect V10.5, IBM has extended use of license SP even with DB2 for IBM i® data servers as alternate way to apply "DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System i® (Managed Processor) " (traditionally using db2consv_is.lic) and db2connectactive utility is accordingly enhanced to allow installing license on DB2 for IBM i data servers. This licensing mechanism would be invoked by non-java clients when the IBM i® server version is V5R4 or later.
Users would need to have SYSADM privileges to execute db2connectactivate utility. Once the license is installed successfully, the package SYSLIC would be granted execute permissions to public and hence even a non-SYSADM user should be able to connect to the database.
User (likely DBA) need to ensure for which DB2 for z/OS and DB2 for IBM i host server, an unlimited edition of DB2 Connect license is purchased. Using db2connectactivate.sh (or .bat, on Windows platform), such user can install license on that target DB2 for z/OS and DB2 for IBM i server. Usually, stored procedure DB2CON_LIC under the schema SYSIBM will get created as a result of running db2connectactivate script. As DB2 for z/OS V8 does not support stored procedure, a scalar function will be installed under SYSTOOLS schema instead. (that means for DB2 for z/OS V9 and above, stored procedure will be created).
License key is per release (when to update):
DB2 Connect license update is needed at every major release. However, during a fixpack upgrade of the same release, existing license key keeps the validity. For example, if user has DB2 Connect V9.7 Fixpack 3 with a valid license key (either as client local license key, or as a server license ), upgrade to V9.7 Fixpack 7 uses same license key. However, if user upgrades it to DB2 Connect V10.1 Fixpack 2, license renewal is needed by either requesting V10.1 client license key file or use V10.1 db2connectactivate utility to recreate V10.1 license. Note that upgrading license from an older release level of DB2 Connect to the newer level continue to allow older DB2 Connect client drivers to connect. Hence users just need to maintain a single latest DB2 Connect license on the database server.
When user upgrades from V8 to V9, non-java clients would use the V8 license if the V9 license does not exist ( i.e if the license is not already installed on V9) and if valid client side license does not exist. Hence, it is recommended to run db2connectactivate utility from V9 so that the license is installed successfully.
I hope that my blog would be beneficial to everyone who are utilizing IBM's DB2 Connect offering to connect to host systems using server based licensing model in DB2 Connect Unlimited Edition for System z® and DB2 Connect unlimited Edition for System i® by activating server license using db2connectactivate.
Disclaimer : The information provided in this article is solely based on my understanding of the licensing requirement and installation of the license for direct connect configurations using DB2 connect unlimited edition for System z® and DB2 connect unlimited edition for System i® and that IBM shall not be held responsible for any discrepancies that may be found in the content.


text: Every year in Moab, Utah, theres a week of off-roading awesomeness known as the Moab Easter Jeep Safari. On this episode of Dirt Every Day, Fred Williams finally brings home a Jeep TJ hes had his eye on and takes on this last minute build. With only two weeks before his first trail ride in Moab, Fred has to figure out a way to modify his little white Jeep and make it into a tough little rock crawler.


text: Just thought I would give a little heads up for anyone that is interested in getting a Gentoo system up and running the easy way. Pop over to VidaLinux at http://desktop.vidalinux.com/ and you will find a Distro that is Gentoo based without the harder than average install. Vida have basically added the Anaconda installer to Gentoo. The ISO is approx 420Mb, and installing is no more difficult than Fedora / RedHat. Also you have the Porthole frontend to Portage which makes package handling even more of a breeze. This Distro is definately worth a try for those who want a gentoo the quick way.


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Obituary published Feb. 8, 2013 in The Mexico Ledger
James E. Fulton, 72, of Sherman, TX went home to be with the Lord Wednesday February 5, 2013. Services will be held Friday, February 8th, at 11:00am at Waldo Funeral Home in Sherman. The family will receive friends from 10:00-11:00am at the funeral home prior to the service. Officiating will be Pastor Duane Peters from Inspiration Point Cowboy Church in Tom Bean, TX, along with remarks from Bill Benton, Van Alstyne, TX. The family will have a private burial at Oakhill Cemetery following the service.
Jim was born August 2, 1940, in Mexico, MO. to Gracie Lucille Fulton and William D. Fulton. He attended schools in Mexico, MO. and worked at the Coca Cola distributing center. He married Shirley Ann Barbarick January 16, 1959. He and his family moved to Sherman, TX, in 1974 where he worked at Bingswinger Glass, retiring there after 31 years of service. Jim enjoyed word working, gardening and going to the horse races. "Pop" was very passionate about spending time with his family, attending grandchildren's events and he loved his dogs. He was baptized in 1974 at Calvary Cross Baptist Church and currently attended Inspiration Point Cowboy Church in Tom Bean, TX.
Jim is survived by his wife, Shirley. Sons: Jimmy Lee Fulton and wife Marsha of Sherman, TX, Steve Fulton and wife Debbie of Sherman, TX, and Rod Fulton of Pottsboro. He is also survived by seven grandchildren: Brittany and Leslie Fulton of Sherman, TX, Laci, Cody and Sydney Fulton of Longview, TX, Skylar Fulton of Sherman, TX, Hunter Fulton of Pottsboro, TX, and one great granddaughter, Maddileyn Fulton of Longview, TX.
He was preceded in death by: His parents, sister Helen Harvey and brother, William R. Fulton
Pall bearers will be: Cody Fulton, Jason Melton, Don Thorpe, John Griffin, Robert Lacy, Dennis Southerland and Ken Peete
Arrangements are under the care of Waldo Funeral Home.
The family requests memorials be send in memory of Mr. Fulton to: Home Hospice of Grayson County 505 W. Center Sherman, TX. 75090.


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Hebron, KY (WKYT) - Conner High School quarterback Drew Barker was presented with his Army All-American Bowl jersey Wednesday morning and extended an invitation to play in the game during a ceremony at the school.
Barker, a UK commit, will travel to San Antonio for the game on Jan. 4.
"It's pretty cool," Barker said after the announcement. "It's the premiere high school All-American game, just like the McDonald's All-American Game. This is where you want to be seen and I can't wait to play in it."
Barker joins Matt Elam, a defensive and offensive tackle out of John Hardin High School, in the game, which counts more than 200 NFL players among its alumni.
"I'm just excited to be out there with him," Conner said. "I know he's going to be announcing at the game, so I'm gonna be in his ear. I might even try to room with him at the game."
Elam announced on Tuesday during his jersey ceremony that three schools now are on his list: Kentucky, Alabama and Notre Dame. Elam said he'd make his choice known during the broadcast of the Army All-American Bowl.
"He's our biggest target. We've got to go all out on him," Barker said.
Elam told reporters that UK once was the leader, but now both Alabama and Notre Dame have pulled even.
Barker laughed when asked about those comments.
"There's definitely a quiet confidence," Barker said. "Matt's the type of guy, he likes the recruiting process. He likes all the Twitter stuff. He knows if he can mess with people every chance he gets, he's going to take that opportunity."
Barker said his plan is still to graduate from Conner in December and enroll at UK in the spring.
"I took two classes this summer to get my extra credits and I'm good to go now. I felt like I might as well just start pursuing my career, because staying in high school another semester, I felt like it couldn't do anything for me."
After watching the Wildcats get off to a 1-6 start this season, and seeing Jalen Whitlow and Maxwell Smith struggle with injuries, Barker says he plans on contributing right away as a freshman.
"That's basically the reason I want to graduate early. Get there, see where I stand and if I could start next year, then start next year," he said. "It's in their hands. I'm just going to try my best to do what I can do, and hopefully, win the job."
Barker also said he's been in touch with other recruits and thinks UK's Class of 2014 will remain intact.


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The ultimate flight simulator
For pilots, one of the most difficult skills to learn is 'upset recovery' - righting a plane that has stalled or been thrown into an unstable situation due to weather or a technical problem. When a pilot is not able to fly out of an 'upset' and the plane proceeds out of control, accidents can result. And it is precisely because these extreme conditions seldom occur in real life that it is hard for a pilot to be prepared for them: up to now, no flight simulator reflects adequately how an actual aircraft behaves during upset situations. Alternative training methods – such as using large commercial aircraft for training or smaller ones – are either too dangerous or too expensive, or may not be comparable to how large aircraft behave and respond.
Flight experts around the world have called for improved training on such situations. To give pilots the critical training they need, the European Union funded project SUPRA – or "Simulation of UPset Recovery in Aviation" – developed what has been called "the ultimate flight simulator".
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The funding, to be released on January 25th is the latest portion of $900 million in New Starts funding secured by the lawmakers. Phase 1 is expected to be completed in 2013.
"The completion of rail to Dulles is vital to the future of our Northern Virginia economy," said Connolly. "It will also help to reduce traffic congestion while providing an important link between the nation's capital, Northern Virginia and the region's premier international airport."
Phase 1 of Dulles Metrorail includes construction of a 11.7-mile heavy rail line from West Falls Church station through Tysons Corner to Wiehle Avenue in Reston, Va. This project will consist of five new stations, improvements to an existing rail yard, 64 new rail cars and 2,300 parking spaces at the Wiehle Avenue station. The 11.7-mile extension is the first phase of a proposed 23.1-mile extension of Metrorail to Dulles International Airport.


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Namespaces in Yii 2.0?
Posted 13 June 2011 - 10:09 AM
Namespaces are in deed useful - although they don't meet the same requirements as namespaces in statically compiled/linked languages, that is a natural deficiency stemming from the dynamic nature of the PHP language, and not a shortcoming, as I had originally thought.
With regards to Yii, the fact of the matter is that, like many other frameworks, Yii currently "emulates" namespaces, which is not longer necessary (or good) since PHP now has native syntax and support for "real" namespacing.
Moving away from the "emulated" namespaces and making use of native namespacing in PHP gets my two thumbs up!
We live and we learn... :-)
Posted 06 August 2011 - 02:43 PM
qiang, on 27 December 2010 - 07:50 PM, said:
Arguments like "I came form C++/.Net/Python" are cheap cause PHP is different by ideology.
We got all native functions and classes in the global namespace, as well as 99.9% code.
The classes are the namespaces in PHP.
The main reason to use namespaces is to avoide conflicts when integrating two or more ready-made applications.
If you use namespaces a lot, you end up copy-pasting a long line like
use somenamespace\class, somenamespace\class2,somenamespace\class3,\Date,\ArrayObject,\ArrayAccess
in every file of your application.
You will get happy debugging with behaviours attached from different namespaced objects, and with lambda callbacks.
NS are neither good nor bad. They are just not a language primitive you find in C/Java/.Net/Python
Posted 06 August 2011 - 04:01 PM
Posted 06 August 2011 - 06:01 PM
jacmoe, on 06 August 2011 - 04:01 PM, said:
It's not resistance, it's real life.
NS are not related to includes, no packages or other resorces involved, no wildcard name imports like use namespace\*
It is all about class and function name conflicts, nothing else.
Did you try to develop a serious php project intensively using namespaces? I did.
Posted 07 August 2011 - 03:20 AM
It really surprises me to hear that 'using namespace' is not supported in current PHP. Is that so?
I'd think a simple define would do the trick then?
Posted 09 August 2011 - 09:36 AM
use \Yii\ListView
Will allow you be "using" namespaces in other namespaces etc etc. But there is a problem.
What we all gotta remember is that PHP's namespaces dont work like .net's. PHP's implementation of them is very primative.
Let me give you an example. You have a namespace, Yii. Within that namespace you have a sub namespace named ListView.
Now to get a function or class within that namepsace you can't autoload the namespace so you have to eager load it into the framework.
For example:
spl_autoload_register will not see the namespace Array only the class (yes CLASS not function) Iterate. It will not autoload functions as well. The whole point of namespaces is to put functions and classes outside of global scope, but if you cannot maintain lazy loaded classes without much more work what is the point?
This is a problem! Imagine having to load all your files due to namespaces, suddenly you no longer have a glue framework. Yii, to me, is the framework since it is fast, loading the entire framework every single page will suddenly make it slow.
If PHP allowed lazy loading of namespaces then I would say go namespaces. But because they don't namespaces should stay to the app and not its framework. Its framework is too global to be segmented by namespaces.
This makes namespaces useless in the framework itself for me, and it is one of the main reasons why I disagree with Lithium.
Posted 15 August 2011 - 01:54 AM
Sammaye, on 09 August 2011 - 09:36 AM, said:
1. How do you see this technically?
First problem is rules for the names-files mapping. "NS=folder" rule is simple and reliable, but not convenient for complex structures similar to Java/.Net
Next one: php scripts have the memory cleanup after each call and can't remember the folder structure.
Ok, suppose we have some packages and a static map in a config file describing a complex NS hierarchy matching to plain files.
2. Yii supports lazy loading through its import() method for classes.
Maybe we just need custom autoload rules support - like user-defined class, function and NS map per files?
Posted 15 August 2011 - 02:37 AM
Yes that is the way to solve NS loading problems but the first hurdle to lazy loading namespaces is to get the spl_autoload_register to see a namespace when your trying to load it otherwise you have to call it specifically.
I suppose this could be solved through the current widget handling and module handling but I am sure there are parts of the framework that would be tiresome to do via predefined functional autoloaders.
I just see using a predefined Yii autoloader for everything instead of using the default PHP handler which then Yii autoloader attaches to (via spl_autoload_register()) could make a lot of work on the app end even if your not using namespaces in your app.
Posted 12 September 2011 - 12:58 AM
Posted 26 October 2011 - 02:23 AM
Posted 27 November 2011 - 06:48 AM
namespace \Yii\plugins\3rdParty\Janes { class DoFlip { } } namespace \Yii\plugins\3rdParty\Johns { class DoFlip { } } use \Yii\plugins\3rdParty\Janes\DoFlip as JaneForwardFlips use \Yii\plugins\3rdParty\Johns\DoFlip as JohnBackFlips $janeDoFlips = new JaneForwardFlips(); $johnDoFlips = new JohnBackFlips();
Thus, 3rd party plugin developers are able to name the class and not have to worry conflicting class definition.
autoloader (used in my PureMVC's PHP port) to load namespaced class:
function __autoload( $class ) { //if( stripos( $class, '\\' ) !== false ) if( stristr( $class, '\\' ) ) { $file = APP_DIR.str_replace( '\\', '/', $class ).EXT; if( file_exists( $file ) ) require_once $file; else throw new \Exception( 'Class '.$class.' not found at '.$file ); } else { $_basePaths = array( PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/facade/', PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/interfaces/', PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/core/', PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/', PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/command/', PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/mediator/', PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/observer/', PMVC_BASE_DIR.'org/puremvc/php/patterns/proxy/' ); $classPaths = array_merge( explode( PATH_SEPARATOR, get_include_path() ), $_basePaths ); foreach( $classPaths as $classPath ) { $file = $classPath.$class.EXT; if( file_exists( $file ) ) { require_once $file; return; } } throw new \Exception( 'Class '.$class.' not found in '.implode( PATH_SEPARATOR, $classPaths ) ); } }
Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:11 AM
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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:21 AM
Posted 27 November 2011 - 09:44 AM
It's almost funny to me at this point, the idea of even considering not using namespaces. Look around on github and various other frameworks, and see how widespread adaptation of namespaces has become. It's simply considered good practice at this point.
And it has taken less than a year to get to this point. PHP 5.3 is available on most servers at this point.
On a related note, has anybody else played around with PHP 5.4 yet? I have, and it's pretty awesome. Traits, for one, is a brilliant feature - it basically replaces CBehavior with a native language feature.
Given the quick adoption of PHP 5.3, I personally would say, if Yii 2.0 is more than a year from release (as I'm sure it is), that I would like to see Yii 2.0 built for PHP 5.4.
By the time Yii 2.0 is released, PHP 5.5 (or 6?) will probably already be out, and Yii 2.0 will start out on a feature set that is already dated.
Building something as big as a framework, probably 1-2 years of work (at least), I would strongly recommend targeting the cutting-edge version of the language - by the time you release, this stuff will be considered old news, and your codebase might already look dated at release.
Just my opinion...
EDIT: the question we really should be asking ourselves is not "should we use namespaces", but rather "what version of PHP should we target?" - and take into account your projected release date.
This post has been edited by mindplay: 27 November 2011 - 09:46 AM
Posted 27 November 2011 - 12:13 PM
I did. Traits aren't able to replace current CBehavior cause of lack of state. They're almost that but what we have is a bit more.
Yes, we've considered this and it was discussed at Yii2 forums. No real benefits using 5.4 in the end.
That's from scratch but we have a good foundation.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 05:17 AM
is it posible to move this topic to "Design Discussions for Yii 2.0"?
Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:59 AM
samdark, on 27 November 2011 - 12:13 PM, said:
Or less, depending how you look at it.
There are very good reasons (by design) why traits don't have, don't need, and should not have state. You already have what you need to maintain state: objects. That's the whole idea of OOP. Introducing another kind of entity also responsible for maintaining some state is impure, and it leads to complexity.
Letting your objects maintain their own state makes much more sense. Learn to use PHP traits and think through some examples of Yii behaviors - I'm pretty sure you'll come to see, it makes much more sense when you designed with this kind of clear-cut separation.
samdark, on 27 November 2011 - 12:13 PM, said:
For one, you would have short array syntax, which would be extremely convenient, given how everything in Yii is configured using arrays. (I realize this is a purely syntactic improvement, but one of the most widely demanded improvements in the history of PHP)
For another, well, traits - which, if you understand their justification, will lead to better, cleaner design.
Once PHP 5.4 is established and widely available, having a competing custom mechanism for horizontal extensibility will lead to inconsistencies in code, as well as unnecessary learning curve.
By the time Yii 2 is ready for prime-time, I'm pretty sure PHP 5.4 will be, too; since it's already out, it has a significant head-start over Yii 2.
JSON serialization support, upload progress monitoring and better support for closures, to name a few others.
IMHO, anyone who's building a framework from scratch, should build for the latest version of the language. You're building for the future, right? Not for the past - there's enough software for that already! :-)
Posted 17 February 2012 - 03:58 PM
Posted 17 February 2012 - 05:42 PM
phpnode, on 17 February 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:
or encourage adoption of PHP 5.4? :-)
Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:27 AM
A generic framework should try to be usable by as many people as possible and not use any cutting edge features if there's no big advantage. You would only lock out some developers this way.


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The new Sports Hall for Fencing and Artistic & Rhythmic Gymnastics in Udine, Italy fits within its context and exploits renewable resources through an appropriate geometry, using 'smart' materials and reducing the technologies that use in their operation non-renewable energy. The sports complex is open to the green surrounding and enters into dialogue with it.
The facility presents glazed and transparent facades to the north and south: these sides are preferable for an easy control of solar radiation. The east and west sides instead were treated as continuous solid surfaces. This continuity is given by the ventilated and coloured polycarbonate wall. It was designed to place the lighting elements behind the outer skin in order to produce suggestive image of the building by night and make it emerge prominently in the background.
In contrast to the transparency and lightness of this part of the project studio zoppini associati gave emphasis to the entrance area, realised as a solid cladding with electro-coloured steel that penetrates and contrasts the previous part of the venue.
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Re: Do you believe in God or evolution?
Actually if you read the Bible, first humans were in The Garedn of Eden, which is now Iraq. If you believe in the Word Of God, then the first humans were actually Arabs...who have now have ideas of Holiness into their own twisted ideas. Just like Hitler and those of the Crusades.
How do you know the Garden of Eden was located in present day Iraq?
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NEWARK, Del. – University of Delaware softball coach Jaime Wohlbach has announced the addition of transfers Kelly Lupton and Heather Oakley, who have joined the Blue Hen program and will compete for UD this upcoming season.
Lupton, a native of Galloway, N.J. went 4-1 with two saves and a 3.35 earned run average last year as a freshman at UNC Greensboro. Lupton appeared in 18 contests while making seven starts for the Spartans, posting 48 strikeouts on the year. She fired her first career complete game against Hartford, allowing one earned run and striking out a career-high 10 batters.
Lupton was an All-South Jersey Team selection at Absegami High School, where she set school records with 684 career strikeouts and 79 runs batted in. She went 17-5 in the circle as a senior with seven shutouts, including a pair of no-hitters.
Oakley, an Orland, Calif. native, spent the 2012 season at UC Davis before playing this past spring at Sacramento City College. She batted .448 in 38 games, going 52 for 116 at the plate with 38 runs scored, eight doubles, six home runs and 40 RBI. Oakley helped Sacramento City to a 33-7 overall record, including a first place finish in the Big 8 Conference with an 18-3 league mark, while she earned first team All-Big 8 Conference and All-Northern California accolades as an infielder.
Oakley was a two-time All-Northern Section and four-time All-Butte View League honoree at Orland High School, where she set 16 school records and earned team MVP honors during all four years. She batted .472 for her career with 35 doubles, 10 triples, 18 home runs, 92 RBI, a .922 slugging percentage, and a .531 on base percentage.
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Lucky Quarter
Bella finds an old quarter from when she was little. Readers- I'm moving accounts. This was a shared account with someone who doesn't really like me anymore. So I'll post this to all the stories I wrote (I'll only continue some) then you can read them. Continuing: Complications, Goneandnevercomingback., Marionette, mynewLife, and SpilledMascara. If what you read wasn't listed and you want it continued, tell me through the "contactauthors" button on the "elainamorrigan" account why I should continue. -elle/Twizzler
By Twisler Terrier This happened to me and Kitty once and I got to thinking... what if this happened to the twilight characters.
1. Quarter!
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Bella's POV
"Bella are you sure?" Edward said, "I can stay, I don't need to hunt yet. I can-"
"Stop! Jeez you're driving me nuts!" I interrupted, "We've had this argument over and over again." he opened his mouth to say something but I cut him off, "Weboth know you need to eat."
"Bella I-"
"Edward, who always wins these arguments?"His eyes narrowed. I raised my eyebrows. He sighed, "Fine."
"That's better." I said, smug, "Besides I'll have plenty to do. Renee sent me some boxes of my old stuff I left behind, memories and what not."
"Okay, bye. Call if you need me." I nodded. He hugged me and ran out the door. I ran up the stairs and grabbed the boxes. This should be fun. I'll enjoy remembering the times these items created. I got the closest box and carefully reached in, just old Halloween costumes. I removed the last one and gasped in surprise, I thought it was lost forever.
My lucky quarter.When I was in the seventh grade the vending machine would take this quarter, count it, and spit it back out, free snacks all year. When I got to ninth grade I lost it.
I shoved it in my pocket and continued through the boxes.
I was lying in bed that night, waiting, and sighed when the familiar, comforting cold arms wraped around me."Hey." He said."Hey." I answered, "Guess what!" I said enthusiastically.
"Look!" I reached over and grabbed the quarter from my night stand.
"I see." He had this amused look on my face.
"Don't look at me like that!" I said in a scolding tone, "This was a very important quarter!"
"How do you know that's the one?"
I sighed as if that was the stupidest question ever, "It's a Texas quarter, they aren't that common." I told him the lucky quarter's story and he had a huge grin on his face by the end, "Stop! It's a beloved childhood item! You wouldn't understand!" I laughed.
"Okay Bella, go to sleep now."
The next morning...
"Lucky quarter!" Emmett laughed. I was fuming, I told Edward not to tell them, but when Alice saw she made him inform her by threatening to break his Beetles record. I liked them as much as him, so we caved to the ransom.
I'd had enough of him laughing at me. I lunged at him, but Alice saw so Edward saw and he restrained me. "No Bella, you'll hurt yourself." he said."I don't care!" I shrieked, struggling to get away from Edward, "Let me at him!"
That just made Emmett laugh harder. I sighed and relaxed, so did Edward then I lunged at Emmett, which Edward saw to late, and punched him in the head. A searing pain shot up my arm.
"Son of Victoria!" I yelled.
Everyone including me laughed at what I said. Then someone complained they couldn't breathe and we all laughed harder.
"I get it!" Emmett yelled, "Because Victoria is a-"
"Emmett!" I yelled, "You need to stop!"
"Stop what?" He yelled.
"Being annoying." Edward said.
"Like that's possible." Jasper threw in.
"Hey Emmet," I said, "I know where you can get help."
"Where?" Everyone said. Alice grinned, but kept quiet, not wanting to spoil it.
"Oh, it's www . zip it . com!" I said grinning.Everyone laughed.
Emmett said, "Why is everyone so mean to me?" He jutted out his lower lip.
"Aw! Not buying it!" Alice said.
After we were all able to breathe everyone left for the day and Edward and I went for a walk around Port Angeles. Finally we came across a vending machine and I was thirsty. Edward waited patiently as I started to insert the coins.
His phone buzzed and it flashed to his ear, "Alice?" He said, just as I put in the last coin."I-...calm down Alice… Fine!" He said, "Here." He handed me the phone.
"Bella! Oh you are going to be so upset! Please tell me you didn't get the soda yet!" She said.
"No I just put the coins in." I said, then I realized, "My Quarter!"
Alice suddenly snickered, "Have a nice hour!" Then hung up.
"You know, these things return coins in a cycle." I said.So in that whole next hour we sat at that machine getting returned coins, checking them, and putting then back in. Bless Edward for sticking with me. After we finally got the coin back I went home and framed it.
"You know," Edward said as we were walking back home, "I just realized I could have torn open the machine and gotten it out."
I smacked my forehead and went home, praying Alice didn't blab. We'd never live this down.
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Sigurdsson admitted that he was tempted by an offer to be reunited with Rodgers at Anfield, after enjoying his training methods and man-management skills during his time at the Liberty Stadium.
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"It will be really good to play against Brendan Rogers again, and also Joe Allen, who was with me at Swansea," he told www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk. "How hard was it to turn Liverpool down? It was more that I knew Brendan, other than the history Liverpool have.
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|2012-05-28, 01:55
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CC doesn't NEED to say it.
Christ! Do you need to have the writer hold your damn hand and tell you every friggin detail to understand it?
You've never had a girlfriend have you?
I can tell.
Women don't come out and say "I love you" unless the moment is right.
They like to play games, and it's worse if they're confused about their feelings.
Okouchi is a master writer in this respect.
He has CC playing the part of a woman who knows she's in love, but is unsure if she should pursue it.
That's why in S1 she keeps telling Marianne, "you know I don't feel that way about him."
It's a classic trope of "Can Not Spit it Out."
Of course, using your logic, since Lelouch NEVER mentions being in love with Kallen, he clearly doesn't love her (using the "logic" you posted above).
I know it kills some Kalulus to have to admit that CC x Lelouch is the most popular pairing after Suzaku x Lelouch (yes, it was the most popular Geass pairing in Newtype Romance 2010 January issue).
But you're going to have to learn to deal with it.
The anime is crystal clear on this, there is no ambiguity as to the feelings of the women towards Lelouch.
Hell, even Milley and Kaguya have feelings for him.
This is why I go by the anime, and only the anime.
When you start adding in the extraneous materials everything starts becoming muddled and in some instants outright contradictory.
If you stick with the anime you see clearly that CC was in love with Lelouch by the end of Code Geass.
She's not a mother figure, a buddy, an accomplice, or any of that crap any more than Kallen is just his serving wench.
Both women loved Lelouch, and I maintain he loved them both as well, but chose CC because she couldn't die.
Whereas Kallen nearly died at the Damocles, among other occations.
This is the reason Lelouch let Kallen go at the end.
He didn't want her to die, you as a Kalulu should be well aware of that.
CC on the other hand stayed with him until the bitter end.
That's a cue from the writer, you're supposed to pick up on it.
|2012-05-28, 02:29
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Yes she does, especially when her response is pretty much "No, I don't love him. I'm here just for the ride.". So no, she didn't love Lelouch in that way just like she didn't love Mao in "that" way. Just because she hangs out with Lelouch doesn't mean she has to want to get in his pants and she has made it a point, more than once througout R1, R2, and the drama CDs, that she doesn't like Lelouch in "that" way while observing constantly that there is something between Kallen and Lelouch as well.
The thing is that there were plenty of moments to say "I love you", she never even tried to say it when they were alone or tried anything that would lead to that. C.C. never saw him in that light and was more of a motherly figure to him(Which means she does still care for him in a manner of speaking, just not in a way that she wants to be with him or love him as a lover would), which makes sense because she's extremely old and has already been through many lovers throughout her long life.
And no, sticking to the anime alone and C.C. saying multiple times that she doesn't love Lelouch like "that". It's her words not me making anything up. Are you saying that C.C. was lying the entire time and just never had a chance to open up? If that's the case than I call BS because there have been plenty of chances if she wanted anything more out of her contract with Lelouch which she clearly didn't.
|2012-05-28, 02:52
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You cannot have it both ways.
Lelouch NEVER says he loves Kallen or even has feelings for her.
CC clearly has feelings for Lelouch as does Kallen, but to say that Lelouch had feelings for Kallen but not CC is simply ignorant.
Okouchi obviously chose to make it subtle, he is far from the first author to do that.
Many other writers from all over the world do this type of thing.
Okouchi is simply using the same style of romantic expression.
No, she is not looking to be a motherly figure.
She is looking for someone to fulfill her wish, which was to be truly loved as made crystal clear at the end of episode 15 of R2.
Lelouch promises her to fulfill that wish, which means he actually loves her.
Stop trying to marginalize their relationship to fit your fantasy.
All she says once to Marianne in S1 is that "you know I don't feel that way."
But that's S1, not the end of R2, where Kallen asks CC is she loves Lelouch and CC says "she doesn't know."
She doesn't know because her Geass was to have everyone love her.
True love is difficult for her, and she said so herself in C's world.
So if she "doesn't know" that is a clear indication she does in fact love him.
Again, stop trying to twist the situation into something it isn't.
You are wrong, and you will have to deal with it.
The drama CDs are useless.
Hell in one of them Suzaku actually proposes to Lelouch: I think that's "Shirley's Dream."
They're side materials for fans to get a kick out of.
Stop acting like they have any bearing on the official storyline.
There's also one where Lelouch pretends CC is his girlfriend when Suzaku bursts into his room.
Does that mean Lelouch loves CC because of the picture drama?
No, it doesn't using only the picture dramas, so enough about them already.
Stick to the anime.
|2012-05-28, 03:47
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To be fair, some of the supplementals are canon (i. e. the Picture Dramas).
Heck, it was revealed through there that Lelouch had other options aside from Zero Requiem.
C. C. as I said in the other thread stayed with Lelouch because she had nothing to lose, unlike Kallen, rather than it be a sign that she was "loved" more.
I didn't mean to insinuate C. C. was less plausible, btw. It's just disingenuous to imply she was more viable than Kallen, at least the way things played out.
And I only made one cursory character couple characterization to Bleach there. Not an entire arc.
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|2012-05-28, 03:56
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Not at all, using my logic there was everything between Kallen and Lelouch which the writers supported considering that pairing got the most screentime. And as I said in the ther topic we aren't going to change each others minds so we might as well end this on a note of agreeing to disagree.
|2012-05-28, 10:45
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Do I have to go and add up all the time we see Lelouch with CC in tender moments verses the tender moments between Kallen and Lelouch?
For Kallen, tender moments equal ZERO.
CC, too many to list, from the time she moves in with Lelouch to the hangar on the Avalon is just one continuous bonding between CC and Lelouch.
That's the point you're supposed to get by the end of the show.
CC was a cold, heartless witch, who didn't care about anything at the begining of S1, by the end of R2 she was in love with Lelouch, he changed her and made her happy.
That's called love dear and it takes two-to-tango as the saying goes so it is clear Lelouch loved her as well.
When you get a girlfriend and you actually fall in love, you'll see what I mean and go "AH HAH!" that's what GundamFan meant.
|2012-05-28, 12:03
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You and I both know that, we've been discussing this since 2009.
Every angle of every pairing has been discussed on these boards.
It is clear that CC loved Lelouch and he her.
That does not eliminate Kallen from the harem Lelouch's heart yearned for, in fact it fits the personality that Okouchi portrayed Lelouch had in the anime.
CC's feelings are also clear.
She doesn't need to stay with Lelouch during ZR, and Kallen calls her on it during their fight.
Kallen knows CC loves Lelouch, and it pisses her off which I contend is why Kallen tries to kill Lelouch in the KMF hangar when CC uses the pink Lancelot to stop her.
It's also interesting that CC and Kallen change roles during their fight.
CC is amazing that she cares about winning whereas Kallen states it doesn't matter to her.
Kallen has become cold (at that point) like CC was, and CC has become caring like Kallen was.
Granted that only lasts until after Lelouch dies, but it was still interesting to see Okouchi put that role-reversal in there.
|2012-05-28, 14:01
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|2012-05-28, 14:03
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Kallen tried to kill Lelouch because he became the enemy of the world, not because she suddenly went yandere like so many seem to speculate, lol.
As I stated in the other thread, circumstances kept Kallen and Lelouch from having personal time together, save for the "return with me to Ashford" moment in Turn 10, and the heart to heart that came right before the betrayal.
|2012-05-28, 17:55
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Or are you simply extrapolating from the anime?
I'm not saying you're wrong azul, I just want to know how you know this because I don't see circumstances being the reason, unless you mean his Geass.
That was the main reason Lelouch rejected Kallen and ended any chance of their being together.
It is also the reason he chose CC in the end, she couldn't die and he was obviously in love with her.
So the choice between which of his harem he would keep by his side to the end was easy.
I agree that in the begining, Kallen loved only Zero and that her love for Lelouch only developed because he was Zero.
Afterwards I think she grew to actually love Lelouch.
|2012-05-28, 18:31
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Doesn't matter, she still wanted to kill him.
When did Okouchi say that?
Or are you simply extrapolating from the anime?
I'm not saying you're wrong azul, I just want to know how you know this because I don't see circumstances being the reason, unless you mean his Geass.
That was the main reason Lelouch rejected Kallen and ended any chance of their being together.
It is also the reason he chose CC in the end, she couldn't die and he was obviously in love with her.
So the choice between which of his harem he would keep by his side to the end was easy.
|2012-05-28, 19:33
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|2012-05-28, 19:39
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I have to disagree.
Euphie died because of his Geass, Shirley's dad died, Shirley died, Rolo died, he nearly lost Nunnally because of it, etc.; I'd say what CC told him was accurate about Geass bringing only isolation.
I really don't see any other reason why he would have rejected Kallen accept to save her from the fate everyone else he loved had suffered due to his Geass.
CC was immune to it, so was Suzaku (due to his "live" command), therefore CC was the logical choice for Lelouch...or Suzaku if you wanna go that route.
|2012-05-28, 20:58
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Except rejecting her in that situation is independent of Geass. Geass has nothing to do with the fact that he doesn't intend to walk away from his plan. It's only what brought him to that point. He's rejecting her because it would only ruin her life to aid him. Suzaku is giving up his identity and C.C. can just disappear. There's no harm in them aiding him.
|2012-05-28, 21:00
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Lelouch pushed her away because he didn't want her getting hurt.
Do we agree there?
|2012-05-28, 21:10
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Oh wow, I didn't know people were discussing this this long after the anime ended. I guess that's the mark of a good show, huh?
I always just assumed C.C.'s feelings for Lulu were a given, by the end (and his for her, though less obviously if I remember correctly, as he played the role of Celibate Hero quite well). Not that I don't think he didn't have feelings for Kallen as well, but after everything that happened, he realized that with his vilification in the eyes of the world, the ZR, etc, he had to let her go, and for her own sake she couldn't be with him.
|2012-05-28, 21:38
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|2012-05-28, 21:42
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Sorry I didn't make what I meant clear in my post.
I meant that the command put on Suzaku made it so that he would not get killed easily. The command Lelouch put on Super-Suzaku makes it so he will do anything to escape death.
Whereas the command on Kallen was simply to forget what Lelouch had said to her.
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The incidents happened between Sept. 2009 and June 2010, according to the victim's mother, who originally reported the abuse to police.
Investigators say Tiner had at least four sexual encounters with the girl, and when his home was searched, officers discovered videos and photographs of the victim in the nude.
The FBI reports that Tiner also had pictures of other unknown, underage girls. After the investigation was complete, he was charged with sexual assault on a child, sexual assault on a child—pattern of abuse, and sexual assault on a child by on in a position of trust.
The FBI says Tiner was last seen in Little Rock, Arkansas, on June 15, 2012, where he has ties.
Tiner—who also goes by Dave or "Music Dave"— is a white man with brown hair and blue eyes, standing 5-feet 11-inches and weighing 155 pounds.
He may be driving a red Isuzu Rodeo with Colorado registration 577YGP or an unknown Arkansas plate. Since he is known as an outdoorsman, investigators think he may be staying in campgrounds or national parks, accompanied by a dog name "Kili." He also has a history of drug abuse.
In April 2012, the Mesa County Court issued a state arrest warrant for Tiner, and in June, the U.S. District Court for Colorado sent out a federal arrest warrant after Tiner was charged with unlawful flight to avoid persecution.


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