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Wat do you suggest they use?
I mean, it should be SSN, but then they would have to because no private company is allowed to use it; which lowers its value to ID thieves immensely.
In fact, that would halt most wide spread mass ID theft in the US.
Unsigned bigint auto-increment.
You can be number 1.
Um, this is the one agency that SHOULD USE THE SSN!!!
Think about it.
And if they can't keep the reused ones straight, based on date of birth, well, there is no way we can manage anything.
This is not rocket science. If you want to use names, perhaps ya gotta check for duplicates and refer it to a human to do some research and decide which one is the crook and which one is not. Actually, since we should not be denying anyone benefits, you keep paying both until you figure it out.
And this is the Government you
Oh. So are you covered if your dead?
Are you covered if you're in prison?
Are you covered if you aren't actually listed in the system?
Do we cover resident aliens? Am I one? What does the system say I am?
Seriously, the 'everybody's covered' concept doesn't even work in places where 'everyone's covered'. Like Canada for example. I wonder about Germany, though they might. Norway? Wouldn't be suprised. France? Bahaha!
Again, ease up on the naivete. It is nontrivial, and not a certainty, that the system will
Social Security benefits are paid regardless of where you live, which might be a country that can't/won't extradite you back to the U.S.
And for those, there's the American Plan [wikipedia.org] to get them back home again, if they're considered a big enough pain in the ass to the Feds to go get them. What could possibly go wrong?
Well, it could if it suggested that the government be put in charge of life-and-death healthcare decisions. But given TFA that might look silly.
The problem was not the choice of primary key. The problem was the way in which the people in charge of the process failed to consider the possibility of false positives.
more than 80,000 recipients whose benefits were unfairly denied... The searches captured dozens of criminals
"dozens?" Let's be generous and say 50. 50 out of 80,000 is a 99.9% rate of false positives. Not good.
Let's be generous and say 50.
On the contrary, with a floor of 24 and an an infinite ceiling, 50 is quite a conservative definition of "dozens!"
Actually, no one I've ever met used the term "dozens" when the total being discussed was more than a gross. For the sake of argument, let's say that they captured 150 criminals. Yes, that certainly justifies denying benefits to thousands of people. (sarcasm, people, sarcasm)
Has the healthcare "protesting" spilled into other discussions now? This is the second post already that I've read that's completely offtopic. Are you being encouraged to shout down *everyone*?
Also, to respond directly to your post, how is your scenario of mistaking "Matt Hew Johnson" with "Matthew Johnson" in adjacent rooms relevant to anything?
It sure would be great to hear a logical argument against government healthcare that couldn't be countered with, "but how is that any different than what we alrea
You know, military healthcare in general gets a lot of negative attention, but it's still better than any private program I've ever had. The idea of "death boards" is absolutely ridiculous -- the military will do anything in its power to treat someone, even if it means flying them halfway across the globe. And there's certainly no higher incidence of incompetence in military providers than in the civilian sector, especially when you consider that many military medical personnel moonlight at local clinics and hospitals.
Choosing between a few days of bedrest in a hospital with some peeling paint, making years of payments to cover my deductible/spending cap, or filing for bankruptcy, and in either case possibly losing my coverage and the ability to get new insurance, I'd pick the former. With insurance companies competing based on who can deny the most coverage, and most people unable to even chose their insurers in the first place (in any meaningful way), the state of healthcare in the US has nowhere to go but up.
It is bad database design to use first and last names as primary keys. You usually want to use something unique like SSN.
Health Insurance companies used to do that as well, I had the same name as my father but a different middle name and different birth date and SSN. But the darned Health Insurance companies used to claim they were double billed when I saw the same doctor as my father and I lived at the same address. I eventually had to see different doctors and get a different insurance company. But even b
But I imagine they do not, with the exception of ID fraud, share a Social Security number?
when a 1500 page bill lands on a congresscritter's desk 2-3 days before the vote, what do you expect?
I expect them to vote "No", on the grounds that they don't know whether it's a good bill or not. Sure, whoever gave them the document said it was a good bill, but a Congressman should know better than to trust another Congressman.
Yes, but when a 1500 page bill lands on a congresscritter's desk 2-3 days before the vote, what do you expect?
As someone else replied, I expect them to vote against that 1500 (or 500, or 100 or 2) page bill that they haven't had time to read.
when you make everybody do the job that the police are supposed to be doing. Who thought it would be a good idea for Social Security people to be screening criminals? (Newt Gingrich and his Contract on America congress in 1996, that's who). Screening criminals is what the police should be doing. What's next? Is the FBI going to be paving the roads?
Or the IRS and SSA enforcing Health Insurance regulations?
Is the FBI going to be paving the roads?
That would explain why there are potholes big enough to stop any gataway car in its tracks.
I'm not getting this law. First off, social security isn't some charity program, paid for by other taxpayers. It is money that the citizens/criminals paid into the system and deserve to get back, regardless of what else they have done in life. Besides, are we really doing ourselves a favor by denying ex-cons their own money that they need to survive in their old age?
Furthermore, if it really is about current fugitives, then wouldn't the government love to know a mailing address for these people so they can arrest them, rather than just refusing SS payment?
Okay, you geeks all confuse me. First you say that by law no one should be using the SSN as a unique identifier except for the SSA itself. Then you ask why aren't people using this unique number to avoid mistakes!!!
I don't blame the SS because they were doing what they were told to do, cut off what someone defined as criminals. The problem was the definition, and how to link SS roles with all these outstanding warrants and whatnot. Are we sure the criminal records all have SSNs? Or could it be that we did a join on some other column and hoped for the best and thought 98% was good enough? I can see a programmer being forced to do the latter by a stupid law. How many John Smiths without proper social security numbers were in the dataset they had to work with?
This was a stupid law to begin with, and probably had some stupid premises to get the information linked up. Never allow a politician to act like a project manager, they'll never get it right.
Then you ask why aren't people using this unique number to avoid mistakes!!!
By people, you mean the SSA? Aren't they the ones who should be using the SSN/birthdate?
By people, you mean the SSA? Aren't they the ones who should be using the SSN/birthdate?
SSA would use SSNs, Law Enforcement, i.e. the people providing the SSA with information about criminals, may not have been.
It was a very simple point. Two replies totally missed it.
You shouldn't cut people's benefits because they share a name with someone with a bench warrant
Ah, yes, and now you understand the real problem.
next they'll make up a scret list of names that keep people off planes.
Lady behind the counter, just after telling me that I was on a TSA Watch List: "There must be an evil Chris Burke out there."
Me: *shifty eyes* Yeah, some other Chris Burke must be evil...
I look up and shake my fist -- COBOL!!!!!!
What they needed was some sort of primary key for their social security tables, with which to match against. Perhaps a number, unique to each individual?
We wouldn't have these problems if they simply did away with Social Security entirely. It was never meant to be a retirement plan for every citizen. It cannot possibly dole out the benefits it has promised to future generations. It is a freaking pyramid scheme, and a poorly planned one at that.
I've been paying into it for decades now, and I'd still rather they just let me cut my losses. Think of the boost to the economy if OASDI and Medicare wasn't stolen from your paycheck. That and we could get rid of the
My employer the Mental Health Project of the Urban Justice Center is one of the nonprofits on this lawsuit.
The Press Release from www.urbanjustice.org
The Social Security Administration (SSA) will repay over $500 million to 80,000 individuals whose benefits were suspended or denied since January 1, 2007, under a nationwide class action settlement which U.S. District Court Judge Claudia Wilken preliminarily approved on August 11, 2009. Many more people who were denied benefits between 2000 and 2006 will also have the chance to re-establish their eligibility. All told, more than 200,000 individuals will receive back benefits and/or have benefits re-instated under this settlement.
The settlement resolves a class action lawsuit challenging SSAâ(TM)s unlawful policy of suspending or denying benefits based on warrant information. The lawsuit, Martinez v. Astrue, disputed SSAâ(TM)s interpretation of a narrowly drawn provision of the Social Security Act, which prohibits payment of benefits to anyone "fleeing to avoid prosecution" for a felony.
Courts across the country have held that the law does not permit SSA to suspend or deny benefits without a finding that the person had the intent to flee. However, SSA had continued to suspend or deny benefits to thousands each month based only on a crude computer matching system using outstanding warrant information.
This unlawful policy has had devastating consequences on the lives of elderly and disabled individuals, many of whom rely upon Social Security benefits as their only income and, without their rightfully due benefits, have been unable to pay for rent or other basic necessities. Moreover, the absence of a functioning appeal system left people without recourse to challenge these denials for years; individuals were routinely and inaccurately told that they could not appeal these decisions, even though an appeals process does in fact exist. This settlement will allow class members â" many of whom have been rendered destitute, homeless, and dependent on relatives and charity â" to rebuild their lives.
A fairness hearing is scheduled to occur September 24, 2009, where Judge Wilken will hear any objections before deciding whether to grant final approval.
Urban Justice Center, National Senior Citizens Law Center, Disability Rights California, Legal Aid Society of San Mateo County and pro bono counsel Munger, Tolles & Olson represent plaintiffs in this class action.
Court documents and relevant materials can be found on this page. For more information, contact Emilia Sicilia.
I think the most shocking part of the story is that the lawyers were working pro bono on a class action case -- especially one this big.
"We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company."


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In June of 1919 a BMW engine powering a Deutsche Flugzeugwerke F 37/III climbed to 9,760 meters or a little more than 32,000 feet, setting the company's first world record, according to BMW.
The pilot, one Franz Zeno Diemer took off from Munich's Oberwiesenfeld airfield and put his fate in the trust of a BMW IV airplane engine. Based on the existing BMW IIIa, the IV engine had its bore and stroke increased by 10 mm to boost output from 185 horsepower to 230.
On the Sunday he set the record, the weather was fair. It took Diemer 87 minutes to reach the record-setting height, for an average climb of 368 feet per minute, a rate that some light aircraft today can't sustain on in hot weather after only a couple of thousand feet.
After the flight Diemer claimed that the engine still had the ability to climb, but that he himself had reached the limits of his capacity.
No kidding.
In his open pilot's seat he experienced temperatures as low as -50° Celsius, but also the low oxygen levels in the air altitude, which took their toll on him physically. He was lucky he didn't suffer from hypoxia and didn't pass out. In fact, some skeptics say that without supplemental oxygen, it wouldn't have been possible for him to remain conscious at that height.
The challenge Diemer faced was caused by the same underlying problem that all engines have struggled with since their invention, the loss of power at altitude. Normally an airplane produces its maximum output on the ground, which allows it to get enough airflow over the wings and control surfaces to produce lift and allow it to take off. But, as always, military needs pushed development into new areas, and the ability to out climb an enemy was one of the keys to survival that emerged during the War to end all Wars.
Since air density steadily decreases with altitude, unless you have a way of forcing more air into an engine than ambient pressure, power diminishes as well. Two different approaches were and still are pursued in an attempt to counteract the loss of output in the thinning air. Some manufacturers, such as rival Daimler, turned their attention to supercharging, whereby air was forced into the carburetor by means of a compressor. But this technology complex and only established itself in the 1930s. Friz opted for an "over-square" high-compression engine for the first BMW aircraft engine, the forerunner of the IV world record engine.

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STOCKHOLM — Embattled file-sharing site The Pirate Bay is looking for safe havens in Norway and Spain after its Swedish host came under legal pressure to shut it down.
The Swedish Pirate Party, a small political party advocating transparency and freedom online, has provided Internet access to the site for the past three years.
But party spokeswoman Anna Troberg said today that its sister parties in Norway and Catalonia took over those duties following legal threats from a Swedish anti-piracy group representing the entertainment industry.
So far, the entertainment industry has failed to shut down the popular file-sharing hub, even after its operators were convicted of copyright violations in 2009.


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I have a directory page that has 2 frames (dir-left.htm and dir-right.htm).
Link: http://mandatorymarketinginc.com/test/directory.htm
On the left I have a map with various locations on it.
On the right I have a listing of stores.
Right now when you mouse over a store name in the right frame, a tooltip displays (same location for each store)
in the left frame. This works just fine.
However, now I have to add a cross-browser script so that when the user mouses over a store name in the right frame, not only will a tool tip display, but a png file needs to cover the appropriate location on the map.
I have all the location graphics done as you will see at the test page above.
However I need to find code for this that is cross-browser - the code I have now, doesn't work consistently for all browsers.
Thanks for any help.
I posted a responded on DD but got no response
what is you problem
is it with positioning the image(my post on DD covered this)
ar communicating between frames?


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Central firefighters respond to Route 36 car fire; none injured
An engine fire destroyed a vehicle that was parked along Route 36 across from Pine Tree Road in Bell Township at 11:32 a.m. on Tuesday.
The Punxsutawney Central Fire Department was dispatched to a vehicle fire that engulfed the engine compartment of a red Toyota, and the smoke from it could be seen up to a mile away.
When firefighters arrived on scene, they doused the flames.
The vehicle was severely damaged.
Punxsutawney Fire Department Chief Josh Wachob escorted the driver to Wachob's own vehicle while the fire was extinguished to get him out of the cold.
Punxsutawney-based Pennsylvania State Police were assisted at the scene by Jefferson County EMS and Walker's Towing.
There were no injuries.


text: DSI introduced an enhanced silver coating that provides good reflector performance with increased lumen output and increased color temperature. Patent-pending EcoWhite Silver is a thin film coating with up to five percent measured improved reflection in the 350nm to 450nm region, reducing the blue roll-off in typical, protected silver coatings, the company said. This improvement increases the color temperature for incandescent reflectance lamps and increases the overall efficiency of solar power systems. With rising costs of energy, high performance reflectors are extremely important. Up to 14 percent improved lumen output has been measured for PAR type reflectors (as compared to typical flash aluminium-coated reflectors) using DSI's new EcoWhite Silver. The silver content in DSI's advanced silver coatings are decreased by 50 percent, compared to typical, protected silver reflectors, enabling a savings in material and production expense. With the additional benefit of 14 percent more light, a lower wattage lamp will give the same amount of light as a higher wattage lamp. This results in a savings of both energy and operation costs because less electricity is needed over the life of the lamp.


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Singer, songwriter and walking modern-art project, Lady Gaga is not only 2009's biggest breakout star, she may well be the future of Twitter-era pop stardom as well.
For starters, her career trajectory has been a remarkable example of accidental long-tail record promotion. After a stint as an apprentice songwriter and burlesque performer, Gaga released her debut single, "Just Dance," to little fanfare in April of 2008. It didn't enter the charts until that August, when it debuted inauspiciously at No. 76 on the Billboard Hot 100. Twenty-two weeks (and innumerable club plays) later, it reached the No. 1 spot, after one of the longest gestation periods for a single in modern chart history.
By that time, she had become a household name, and subsequent singles "Poker Face" and "LoveGame" ascended to the top of the charts as well, making her only the third artist ever to score a Billboard hat trick on a debut album.
But perhaps more importantly, she displays a new-media cunning that hinges on a seeming contradiction — attaining an aura of mystery through relentless overexposure.
Never one to be accused of subtlety, Gaga's music is composed of equal amounts of '80s Italo disco, '70s glam and scuzzy early-'00s electroclash. Her live show is garish, her fashion style outlandish (she often seems to go out of her way to wear revealing yet unflattering costumes, and she recently appeared on German TV wearing a dress made entirely out of Muppets), and her lyrics laden with enough double entendres to make Bon Scott blush.
Such outspokenness extends to her carefully crafted public persona — Gaga speaks openly of her own bisexuality and drug use, and refuses to break character even when ostensibly out of the public eye. Her debut single, released at the height of celebrity-stalking as spectator sport, details a night of overindulgence at a nightclub, as if to preemptively quash potential tabloid hunger for her own drug-fueled public breakdown.
Whether Gaga's peculiar brand of knowing provocation will keep her in the recordbuying public's good graces remains to be seen, but with a fall tour with Kanye West and a stint songwriting for Michael Bolton on the horizon, she's ensured a place on its collective browser history for some time to come.
Job title: Singer/ songwriter
Role models: In the linear notes to debut record "The Fame," Gaga singles out David Bowie and Madonna for "inspiration."


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SEATTLE — Actor Patrick Dempsey, who plays Dr. Derek Shepherd in television show "Grey's Anatomy," said Wednesday he's leading a group of investors who aim to buy Seattle-based Tully's Coffee out of bankruptcy.
Dempsey did not disclose the bid's financial terms, but he promoted it as a way to save 500 jobs and give back to Seattle.
"I've always loved this city, and with the purchase of Tully's Coffee, I plan to spend a lot of time in Seattle and the stores connecting with the community and growing the Tully's brand," Dempsey said in a statement released by his publicist. "Seattle may be my home away from home in the very near future."
Dempsey, 46, who is originally from Lewiston, Maine, is best known for his role as a surgeon on "Grey's Anatomy," set at the fictional Seattle Grace Hospital. Two years ago, the King County (Wash.) Council honored Dempsey for his real-life efforts to raise nearly $500,000 for Seattle Children's Hospital.
Jane Pearson, a partner at Seattle law firm Foster Pepper, which represents Dempsey's group, said a formal offer will be made Thursday. That's when all bids are due in bankruptcy court, with an auction to follow Jan. 3.
Pearson declined to divulge details about the group or its proposal, saying only, "We believe it's a very competitive bid, and we're optimistic."
Tully's filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in October, listing more than $3.7 million in debts. Tully's subsequently closed 19 unprofitable locations and now operates 47 corporate-owned stores in Washington and California.
The 20-year-old coffee chain also has partnerships with franchisees and grocery chains throughout the western United States and Asia, although roasting and wholesale operations under the Tully's name belong to Green Mountain Coffee Roasters.
Tully's recently described its situation in dire terms when it sought court approval to borrow more money while a sale is being finalized. Without more stop-gap financing, it said, the company could run out of cash and be forced to stop operations the week of Jan. 12.
Dempsey's group is not alone in making a bid for Tully's. Last month, Tully's said it reached a deal with private-equity firm Kachi Partners, of Boulder, Colo., to sell the business for $1.5 million in cash and the assumption of about $3 million in past and future liabilities.
Baristas Coffee, which owns six Seattle-area coffee drive-thrus staffed by "attractive female baristas in entertaining costumes," such as a devil or cat, earlier this month proposed to pay about $1.5 million in cash for Tully's. It also would take on about $2.8 million in existing liabilities, and issue $6 million in unspecified "negotiable securities" to unsecured creditors and shareholders of Tully's.
"Our intent is not to turn Tully's into Baristas. It's to help Tully's grow and do what it does well," said Barry Henthorn, CEO of Kent, Wash.-based Baristas Coffee. "They did not sacrifice the quality of their product to meet their financial challenges, and I think that's pretty admirable."
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Either way it's good for the customers. Google likewise decides to be notsoevil because otherwise it would cost them too much. Data retention is the wet dream of every mainstream politician these days, it allows for unlimited powers of coercion. The fact that storage is expensive and our governments are too broke to pay for it themselves is a blessing albeit a temporary one.
"Google likewise decides to be notsoevil because otherwise it would cost them too much."
I'm pretty convinced that Brin & Page have some specific political-philosophical motivations for what they do (partly based on Brin's upbringing in the Soviet Union), and not exclusively a profit motive.
Google is not a good example, as they have more cash in the bank than they know what to do with. I don't want to take anything away from Brin and Page, they have done a sterling job so far, but a small ISP in a competitive market with razor thin margins trying to take a stand is more impressive.
Can someone in Sweden comment on how mainstream this stuff is over there? People in the UK know hardly anything about online tracking, data retention, net neutrality and so on. Are the ISPs in Sweden taking a stand on principal alone or do these issues actually matter to their customers?
As a Brit living in Sweden I can answer some of your question. People over here do care a lot more about internet access than in the UK - they want it to be fast, reliable and work as transparently as possible. You could say that internet access has become much more of a basic commodity over here. It is also used a lot more heavily. Unlike the UK market an unlimited connection means unlimited. There are huge untapped amounts of bandwidth in the backbone because the provisioning model used for building networks over here is very different. They assume that people will use bandwidth that is available to them and don't over-provision to the same level.
Privacy is a slightly different issue and it is much harder to see where the Swedish stand on it. On the one hand everyone over here is in many public government databases and nobody cares about it. There is even a website devoted to looking up peoples addresses and birthdays (and of course being Swedish it gets used to send flowers). On the other hand when people decide that they have a right to privacy on anything it is considered to be absolute. If the media over here is told not to publish a name to avoid compromising someone's privacy then it stays private.
There was a huge backlash over the IPred laws over the same issues (retention of IP traffic and linking it to real world identities). Many Swedish ISPs have already announced similar plans with respect to that law - ways of avoiding compliance to protect people's privacy. This new law is in effect the next salvo in the ongoing fight against the IPred laws and as such there is widespread support for avoiding compliance as much as possible.
I was one of the people who complained to the Advertising Standards Authority that "unlimited" in adverts actually means "limited" when you read the small print. Their response was that limits were a normal part of traffic management for ISPs so they are basically allowed to lie with impunity. No word on what constitutes a "normal" amount, e.g. T-Mobile used to advertise their mobile BB as unlimited when in fact there was a pathetic 3GB/month limit.
The attitude to provisioning sounds similar to Japan. If you build it, they will come. If your network is awesome you can offer lots of new services like reasonable quality video on demand and eat into other markets. If you network is shit you have to block BBC iPlayer in the evenings or only allow people to watch a postage stamp resolutions (e.g. BT, Virgin Media). Rather than seeing bandwidth as an opportunity they see it as a problem.
The privacy aspect is interesting. On the one hand we are the most watched country in the world, and on the other our internet access if fully recorded and available to the police. So we are pretty much screwed at this stage, and the much touted repealing of overreaching laws has yet to actually happen.
Also worth noting, the first case resulting from the IPRED law is, to my knowledge (I'm a Swede and all), still going. The ISP that the copyright holders have demanded personal information from is fighting it as hard as they can.
Even though there might be monetary incentives to the ISPs actions, that doesn't seem to be all of it. ISPs here really do seem to care about these things.
I'm pretty convinced that Brin & Page have some specific political-philosophical motivations for what they do (partly based on Brin's upbringing in the Soviet Union), and not exclusively a profit motive.
Likewise, I'm sure the dude that started Bahnhof, the ISP of choice of the informed geek in Sweden, along with their current decision-makers, personally like integrity and whatever else "good" services they provide.
They are, however, a publicly traded company, which means that they must believe that bein
If the market would "feel" that lower quality service, fucking over their customers and selling them out to the man is better for the bottom line of Bahnhof or Google or any other publicly traded company, then players in the market would probably make that happen, sooner or later, whatever delusions of goodness the current leadership may have.
*cough* Facebook, Microsoft, SCO *cough*
This wouldn't fly in America, where using encryption is in and of itself often considered "probable cause". The attitude is typically that if you are encrypting something (or care about your privacy), then you must be hiding something.
But if it's your ISP who does the hiding routinely and you have to pay extra to get clear text, which in turn means that everyone is doing it, what probable cause is it then?
This wouldn't fly in America, where using encryption is in and of itself often considered "probable cause".
Citation needed. Pretty much every company I or any of my friends in the industry has worked for in the last decade has used encryption, and, in particular, VPN, which is the specific form of encryption being discussed here.
Even if I were to accept what you probably meant (that private individuals using personal encryption technologies like PGP may be subject to arbitrary arrest), which I don't, that still wouldn't affect the fact that we're discussing corporations here, not individuals, and corporations i
Why does the ISP have to engage in law enforcement at the ISP's expense? How about tax payers (who usually pay law enforcement costs) pay the ISP's costs to implement all the data capture and logging (and filtering).
Of course the ISP wants to reduce costs. They are not a charity. Would you work for free, assuming you had no other sources of income, no way to support yourself and/or family (housing/food/etc)? No? Gee, why expect someone else (i.e. an ISP) to work for free?
I know someone who works for an
I know someone who works for an ISP and know just how much work and additional equipment it would require if the ISP had to do things like the European ISPs.
Then elaborate. Give details instead of just hoarding this knowledge to yourself because last I checked, setting up IOS to spit log events to some specific IP on the internal network wasn't hard.
It's not nust about splitting log events. It's also about adding a lot more logging (you don't routinely log every connection from every customer, let alone the contents of them); but also the keeping of records for seven years. Given the amount of traffic ISPs push, that requires ungodly amounts of storage, which in turn requires ungodly amounts of power.
What are you talking about 'contents'.
Here is what the EU data retension asks for:
to trace and identify the source of a communication - Source IP address.
to trace and identify the destination of a communication - Destination IP address
to identify the date, time and duration of a communication - Time until TCP connection dies or UDP session ends
to identify the type of communication - being able to determine if it was TCP, UDP or some other packet type was considered sufficient.
to identify the communication d
I'm not the guy the AC knows, but...
> to trace and identify the source of a communication - Source IP address.
4 byte (for IPv4 - more for v6)
> to trace and identify the destination of a communication - Destination IP address
Another 4 byte
> to identify the date, time and duration of a communication - Time until TCP connection dies or UDP session ends
A date/time (4 bytes) plus another time - assume another 4 byte, to take it wide
> to identify the type of communication - being able to determine if
Would you work for free, assuming you had no other sources of income, no way to support yourself and/or family (housing/food/etc)?
No way in hell. I'm disabled and can't support myself... but no way would I ever work for free. Instead I pass the time by writing reviews on Amazon and IMDB, recruiting all my friends and relatives on Facebook to play Farmville with me, and helping out on Apple tech support boards and the eBay Q&A board.
They're a business, they're in the business to make money, and will find ways to make as much money they can. That's plain economics, every business tries to do so (and, one could argue, that includes non-profit organisations). Altruism doesn't make money directly - however it can give goodwill, promotion, whatever that in the long run increases the company's profits.
Now back to the altruism/principles part what this is about: like Google with their famous "do no evil" slogan, they want to be seen as carin
They're a business, they're in the business to make money, and will find ways to make as much money they can. That's plain economics, every business tries to do so (and, one could argue, that includes non-profit organisations). Altruism doesn't make money directly - however it can give goodwill, promotion, whatever that in the long run increases the company's profits.
All true, except that we are talking about a Swedish ISP's not an American.
Bahnhof was started more for ideology than for profit. According to wikipedia [wikipedia.org] Bahnhof also hosted wikileaks.
They are also part of integrity.st [google.se], a collection of Swedish ISP's that have decided to abide by two nice rules.
"No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence."
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression. This right includes freedom to hold opinions without
Thanks, interesting. I don't know much about the background of random ISP's all over the world.
Nonetheless now he's set up that company to make a difference, the only way to keep doing what he's been doing is to turn a profit out of it. Maybe a lower profit than could be made with other business models - still he's got a business to run.
On a related note: in The Netherlands we have a chain called "wereldwinkel" - shops run mostly by volunteers selling fair trade stuff and handicrafts the organisation impo
Thank you professor. I must have missed the part where "they're in it to make money", in economics we talk about value/utility as opposed to money. Else you'd hear about "Marginal Money" as opposed to "Marginal Utility".
People value things other than money, and to what extent varies with each person. The person who came up with these concepts envisaged an objective valuation which we would all use or move towards. Now a days, we know that's not quite true.
If this companies owner(s) are quite political, they
WOW. If only I could have a cohesive thought.
That first line is fragemetned as!
Bahnhof has fought for their customer at every step of the way, even when there's been no direct economic gain. They probably don't want to officially go out as some sort of "referee" saying who they think is right and who they think is wrong, but they've really done everything you could ask for. I don't know what it is you want, to announce themselves as the lawless ISP or the pirate ISP or anything like that would only be foolish in so many ways.
I don't know what it is you want, to announce themselves as the lawless ISP or the pirate ISP or anything like that would only be foolish in so many ways.
Why? For the record, the Swedish PirateISP [pirateisp.net] seems to do just fine. Granted, they only offer services to one city currently, but that city has one of the largest Swedish universities [www.lth.se], along with all of its student dorms. Honestly, I don't see why it'd be 'foolish' to have a pirate ISP, they are not responsible for their customers. If anything they're sure to get them, being the only company offering 1Gbps/1Gbps fiber connections to households (for $80/month).
It would be nice if their motive really was righteous. They seem to be doing it just because it would cost them a lot to comply with every request the police made.
No, because in the case of them being righteous it's all to easy to have your resolve worn away and eventually just start complying.
With a financial incentive to resist (and also I feel not a little of the righteous angle at work too), I can be sure they will struggle against this longer than they might have, since there's no way to measure levels
It's important to accept the actions that people do that benefit you regardless of their motivations. Understanding their motivations is only useful in predicting future behavior, and perhaps to judge the veracity with which they pursue your common interest.
Never, ever decry an action that benefits you or a cause you believe in because the actor's motivations aren't the same as yours!
It is very much about the principles. Consider the following scenarios:
A) The police suspects a specific person of a specific crime, goes to the courts and gets a warrant to intercept communication in order to gather evidence - and so on.
B) The police suspects someone may be committing a crime and request (no warrant needed) all logs in order to comb them for possible suspects and gather evidence against these suspects, if any.
No question that option B is the easiest for the police, but it is extremely inva
Who gives a damn? If it's good for the customers, it doesn't matter whether they were motivated by money, politics, ethics, aliens, or the FSM and his noodly appendage.
I truly think that you are wrong in this case. Bahnhof is different. It was started in 1994 by Oscar Swartz [wikipedia.org], a prominent liberal (not socialist) gay political activist and Pirate Party supporter. CEO Jon Karlung is also a liberal (who used to be editor-in-chief on Sweden's largest (?) porno magazine Aktuell Rapport in the 90s). Bahnhof is one of the few companies that is actually run by liberal ideologists and they are as interested in freedom (as in not giving more power to the government) as they are in r
Yes, and kudos to Google's machine translation. It was actually a pretty pleasant read, the sentences made as much sense as the average
The privacy violation and spying that Law Enforcement does is nothing compared to what google, facebook, twitter, linkedin, etc. are doing. I think the privacy advocates need to rethink who the real enemy is. With search, chat, mail, ads, analytics, like buttons, and other embedded icons/code spread throughout the web, these big web companies can gather more intelligence than anyone. LE has the goal of eliminating crime, big-web has the goal of raking in cash. Who is your real privacy enemy?
the law-enforcement agencies can turn around and demand that data to intimidate, harass, and persecute us.
Oh yeah, well I like watching women suck horse cocks.
Do you hear me, NSA? Your perverted agents are jacking off to captures of my screen showing videos of women sucking horse cocks, aren't they? But they're allowed to watch it obsessively all day and go home and ejaculate to the thought of horse cocks while making love to their wives because they're not the ones who clicked those links, were they? You sick, sick fucks.
What you gonna do, tell my wife? She's a furry. What you gonna do, tell my boyfrie
Google making money off information they gather makes them my enemy how? The concept baffles me. OK, they know some guy's interests are airship design and history, politics, World War II history, various science and engineering topics, reading and commenting on slashdot, and collecting innovative LED flashlights. To the best of my knowledge they don't connect it to my personal identity (as if that would bother me). Somehow, that doesn't bother me.
Google et al make money off all the information they index and archive about us [makes them our enemy]
Which one of the two is my real enemy? The evil son of a bitch who craves power, and when he gets it, turns it to spiteful and vindictive purpose, that's who. And that is most assuredly the government, not business (except when the two operate in collusion, which is becoming the fashion). Almost universally, law enforcement doesn't limit itself to eliminating crime. It cooperates with lawmakers to hungrily expand the definition of crime to include victimless "offenses," thought "offenses," and what it s
The "evil son of a bitch who craves power, and when he gets it, turns it to spiteful and vindictive purpose" will seek out whatever route will take him/her into this position. Historically the government has been the easiest way of achieving this sort of power. As multi-national corporations continue to grow, this may well change.
Also, the behaviour of corporative executives are much less scrutinised by the media than the behaviour of the government. If Google did things you disapprove of, it is quite possi
I think it is less that megacorporations are to some extent replacing the government as the enemy, than that it is becoming more and more difficult to find a line of distinction between the government and the megacorporations.
In Corporatism the powers of law enforcement are merged with the interests of large corporations. They are now just two sides of the same pervasive-surveillance coin.
Swedish residence is easy. It is one of the things that is really attractive about Sweden (and I say that as a Dane, we are usually forbidden by social taboo from saying anything nice about Sweden). Should be noted that Swedish ISPs with this move are apparently the most compliant in Europe, so anywhere in Europe would be attractive, but Sweden is the nicest to immigrants.
If you can get and keep a job in Sweden, it's very easy to obtain citizenship. I think you can get naturalised after having lived and worked here for around a decade.
There are a number of backsides to Sweden too, of course, like the crushing political correctness, and a less than encouraging attitude to people who try to take initiatives (like starting new businesses).
Once I read about the monopolized alcohol stores I was out.
Is it difficult to obtain citizenship there? I think I want to move.
You can apply for citizenship online. [migrationsverket.se]
This rather funny crash course in Swedish [slayradio.org], concentrate on some of the more important aspects of the Swedish language that English speakers have hard to grok on their own (it only covers the rather simplistic (almost as simplistic as English) dialects around the Swedish capital). Most people that move to Sweden as adults never learn to speak good Swedish. It is especially hard for English speakers as they can cheat and get by using their native language, e.g. we had a wa
Well, English is a close cousin of all the Scandinavian languages, but more to the point Old Norse.
The original Old English language was influenced by two waves of invasion: the first by speakers of the Scandinavian branch of the Germanic language family, who conquered and colonized parts of Britain in the 8th and 9th centuries; the second by the Normans in the 11th century, who spoke Old Norman.
However it was the Danish and Norwegian Vikings that attacked and settled in Britain. Have you heard of the Danelaw [wikipedia.org]? So it would be more precise to say English has a closer relationship with Danish/Norwegian than Swedish.
In fact some dialects still exist in the northwest of England that sounds like modern Norwegian (BBC, 2008). Indeed, modern genetic sampling and research reveals a lot of Viking blood heritage [youtube.com] in England, Ireland and Scotland.
The influence of this period of Scandinavian settlement can still be seen, and is particularly evident in place-names: name endings such as -howe, -by ("village") or "thorp" ("hamlet").
Furthermore many British island groups, including the Isle of Man(n) and Shetland [bbc.co.uk], belonged to Norwegian Kings for hundreds of years. Indeed York [historyofyork.org.uk] was once known by its original name Jorvik. Dublin (Dubh Linn) [dublinks.com] and other Irish cities were Viking settlements.
Then later the descendants of Norwegian/Danish settlers in Normandy, France, decided to invade and conquer England. Of course by that time William the Conqueror and his men spoke French. His father again was the well known [Norwegain/Danish] Rollo, or Hrólfr, who forced the French king to sign a treaty ceding part of the province to him, from which it took the name of Normandy [normandie-tourisme.fr], the country of the Northmen.
Ironically it was the attack of the invading Norwegian Viking army under King Harald Hardråda [wikipedia.org] and Tostig Godwinson, brother of the English King, that led to the fall of England to the Normans. King Harold [wikipedia.org] managed to beat the Norwegian invaders at the Battle of Stamford Bridge [battle-of-...066.org.uk], near York, but was not strong enough to withstand a second attack by the Norman army. In 1066 at the time of the Battle of Hastings [battle-of-...066.org.uk] the languages were mutually intelligible.
Swedish Vikings moved east and played a major role in the development of Russia [pbs.org]. These Vikings are know as the Rus and it is from this name that the name of Russia has been derived. Actually the Rus were Swedish Vikings meaning the northern Germanic tribes which setteled in Sweden. The Term Rus was not what they called themselves, but the name given them by the Finns. Today Sweden is Ruotsia in Finnish.
English, the three Scandinavian languages, Icelandic, Dutch and German all belong to the Germanic language family [wikipedia.org].
Why don't they just ignore the law like danish ISPs, or mostly ignore it like most ISPs in Europe (noting that UDP is practically impossible to store "connection" information about)??
It seems the Swedish ISPs are way way behind in "rebelling".
There's a difference between ignoring it and actively taking measures to thwart it; the latter sends a rather stronger signal.
It sends a stronger signal of taking the law serious. As long as nobody cares, it is not effectual law and can not be enforced, by circumventing it you are acknowledging the law and could be liable for trying to circumvent the law.
No they are only forced to store certain type of information and by bundling the VPN with the internet access they can honestly say - when the police asks them who was using a specific IP-adress at a specific time - " We dont know".
Who was using the VPN service at a specific time is not something that they have to store.
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It was bad enough when long-time second grade teacher Mark Berndt was arrested for allegedly playing horrible "games" with his students involving body fluids. Now a second faculty member at Miramonte Elementary School in South Los Angeles, 49-year-old Martin Springer, has been arrested and accused of "lewd acts":
The arrest of Miramonte Elementary School teacher Martin Bernard Springer, 49, came three days after L.A. prosecutors accused former teacher Mark Berndt of bizarre acts in his classroom that have generated national attention.
Berndt, 61, allegedly spoon-fed his semen to blindfolded children as part of what he called a "tasting game."
Two students accuse Mr. Springer of improper touching, according to a L.A. County Sheriff's spokesperson. Capt. Mike Parker told the L.A. Times that the students were "fondled in the classroom" by Mr. Springer and "were approximately 7 years old" when the alleged incidents occurred.
According to the Times both Mr. Berndt, 61, and Mr. Springer have spent their careers at Miramonte, one of the biggest elementary schools in America.
Mr. Berndt's arrest raised questions about how school officials had handled past allegations of misconduct on his part, as students had come forward even in the early 1990s with allegations of bizarre, lewd behavior.
Investigators are still seeking possible victims. Mr. Berndt is being held on a $23 million bond; Mr. Springer on $2 million bail.
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BOSTON (AP) — Wei-Yin Chen scattered seven hits over seven innings and the Baltimore Orioles set a franchise record with their seventh straight victory in Boston, beating the Red Sox 2-1 on Wednesday night.
The Orioles, who knocked Boston out of the postseason on the final night of the regular season last year, have won 12 of the past 15 meetings. They are 5-0 at Fenway Park this season.
Endy Chavez, who had three hits in a series-opening win Tuesday, drove in the go-ahead run with a grounder in the sixth. Boston has lost three straight for the first time since early May.
Chen (5-2) was coming off the worst start of his first major league season, when he allowed five first-inning runs Friday in a loss to Tampa Bay. This time he struck out four, didn't walk anyone and stranded six runners.
Josh Beckett (4-6) was the tough-luck loser, allowing two runs, five hits and striking out five in eight innings. It was the fifth consecutive start he's pitched at least seven innings.
Jim Johnson, who had his first blown save of the season Tuesday after converting 25 straight chances dating to last year, got three outs for his 18th save. The first batter he retired was Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who hit a tying, two-run homer one night earlier.
Trailing 1-0 and with just a single in the first five innings, the Orioles opened the sixth with three consecutive hits and took the lead with two runs. Robert Andino had an RBI single after Wilson Betemit and Ryan Flaherty singled. Chavez's fielder's choice made it 2-1.
The Red Sox grabbed a 1-0 lead in the third when Darnell McDonald doubled off the Green Monster, advanced on Marlon Byrd's single and scored on Mike Aviles' sacrifice fly.
Chen allowed hits in every inning except the first, but kept the damage to a minimum. The Red Sox had an excellent chance to tie or take the lead in the seventh after putting runners on second and third with one out, but Chen fanned Byrd before Aviles popped out to short right.
With help from third baseman Will Middlebrooks, who made a diving grab of Mark Reynolds' second-inning liner, Beckett retired the first nine batters on 29 pitches, fanning three.
Beckett faced the minimum and held the Orioles to one runner through the first five innings — Chavez's single leading off the fourth. Chavez was erased when J.J. Hardy bounced into a double play.
NOTES: The Orioles signed 49-year-old LHP Jamie Moyer to a minor league deal and assigned him to Triple-A Norfolk. He is expected to start Saturday against Buffalo. Baltimore manager Buck Showalter said Moyer will get ''two or three starts down there and we'll see what happens.'' Moyer became the oldest pitcher to win as a starter when he earned a victory with Colorado in April. ... Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine said RHP Daisuke Matsuzaka will start Saturday against Washington, one day before the one-year anniversary of his Tommy John surgery. Matsuzaka made eight rehab starts and is taking the spot of Daniel Bard, sent to Triple-A Pawtucket on Tuesday. Bard, a converted reliever, is 5-6 with a 5.24 ERA. ... The Orioles selected Cal Ripken Jr.'s son, Ryan, in the 20th round of the draft. ''That was pretty cool,'' Showalter said. ''This kid's got a chance to be a player. He's an outstanding prospect.'' The 6-foot-6 Ryan Ripken played at the Gilmon School in Baltimore. ... Showalter also said he heard 2B Brian Roberts, attempting to come back from a concussion sustained more than a year ago, ''looked good. He's moving around and playing good defense.'' Roberts is playing in the minors.


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MONROE, Mich. (AP) -- Family and friends have gathered in Monroe for the funeral of a 33-year-old navigator who was one of seven Americans killed when a civilian cargo plane crashed on takeoff from Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.
The ceremony honoring Jamie Brokaw of Monroe was Sunday afternoon at Monroe Custer Airport, with members of the Patriot Guard Riders motorcycle group assisting.
MLive.com says the funeral falls on the 1-year anniversary of Brokaw's marriage to his wife Elizabeth.
All seven people aboard the National Air Cargo plane died in the April 29 crash.
The other crew members were 51-year-old Gary Stockdale of Romulus; 34-year-old Brad Hasler of Trenton; 37-year-old Jeremy Lipka of Brooklyn, Mich.; 32-year-old Rinku Summan of Canton; 36-year-old Michael Sheets of Ypsilanti; and 51-year-old Timothy Garrett, 51, of Louisville, Ky.


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TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) - AJ McCarron passed for 208 yards and two touchdowns and No. 1 Alabama reached the end zone on its first three possessions in a 38-7 victory over No. 13 Mississippi State on Saturday night.
The Crimson Tide (8-0, 5-0 Southeastern Conference) quickly turned the meeting of unbeaten SEC West teams into a mismatch, rolling toward a national title game rematch at No. 6 LSU.
The Bulldogs (7-1, 3-1) came in averaging 36.7 points a game but didn't score until the final minutes. They had been leading the nation in turnover margin but lost two fumbles and an interception.
McCarron completed 16 of 23 passes before sitting out the fourth quarter. He headed to the locker room briefly early in the quarter briefly but returned to the sideline. Coach Nick Saban said McCarron bruised his back but will be fine for LSU.
The Tide has now won the past five meetings and this one turned into more of the same, despite considerably more hype.
The Bulldogs had started 7-0 for only the second time in program history. Instead of proving they were legitimate SEC contenders, this game showed they have a ways to go.
McCarron hit Kenny Bell in stride for a 57-yard touchdown to cap a drive that started at Alabama's 4. He then found tight end Michael Williams for a 9-yard score early in the second quarter.
His 18 touchdowns tie him with John Parker Wilson for second-most in school history, two behind Greg McElroy's single-season record.
T.J. Yeldon rushed for 84 yards on 10 carries, including an 11-yard touchdown. The subs tacked on two touchdowns after turnovers in the fourth quarter.
Alabama held the SEC's leading rusher, LaDarius Perkins, to 38 yards on 15 carries. The Tide outgained Mississippi State 414-256.
Tyler Russell completed 15 of 30 passes for 169 yards but threw just his second interception of the season and took a number of hits from the nation's top defense.
Alabama's 24-0 halftime lead held until Mississippi State had a muffed punt and another fumble in the fourth. Then Alabama's backup quarterbacks came in to convert those mistakes into touchdowns.
Phillip Ely hit Eddie Lacy for a 27-yarder and then Blake Sims led another scoring drive capped with a 3-yard touchdown run by freshman Kenyan Drake.
The Bulldogs finally scored on backup quarterback Dak Prescott's 2-yard touchdown pass to Robert Johnson with 4:39 left in the game.
Mississippi State couldn't cash in on two other scoring chances before the game really got out of hand. First, Dee Milliner blocked a 31-yard field goal attempt on the opening drive.
Then, Russell drove the Bulldogs 97 yards from their own 2-yard line before Robert Lester picked off a pass in the end zone late in the third.
Mississippi State managed to slow down Alabama's offense for a stretch after getting bullied in the first 17 minutes but couldn't find many holes in the defense.
The Tide has two shutouts and has lost two more in the final minutes with the reserves on the field.


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Sapphire unveils AMD's unannounced X1950 GT
Underclocked X1950 Pro arrives
AMD's anticipated ATI Radeon X1950 GT graphics chip has come to market on a board built by Sapphire, announced yesterday. AMD has itself yet to formally signal the part's arrival.
The X1950 GT is essentially an under-clocked X1950 Pro. Both contain 36 pixel shaders in 12 parallel pipelines, eight vertex shaders, a 256-bit memory connection and internal support for CrossFire. The Sapphire board's GPU is clocked at 500MHz, with the 256MB of on-board GDDR 3 running at 1,200MHz. A Pro board would boast speeds of 575MHz and 1,38MHz, respectively.
The X1950 GT board has two dual-link DVI ports and TV-out. HDCP support is present too. The card is due to ship later this week for around $180.
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Sunday, June 22, 2014
The phrase "fit for life" describes not only the healthy activity of Cassy Bradley and Andy Keegan; it also describes their friendship.
A professional mountain biker and a long distance runner, they met more than 20 years ago and have continued a friendship built on nationwide travels and fitness accountability.
Bradley, 47, and Keegan, 57, run at French Creek State Park together five days a week. The duo met bicycling and they have traveled the country together biking.
California, Arizona, and Vermont are just a few of the states Bradley and Keegan have visited together. Bradley traveled to compete in professional mountain biking races and Keegan would come along as her training companion.
"We saw a lot of the world one mountain at a time," Keegan said.
Bradley competed in mountain biking races for years and made a name for herself in the racing circles. The sport involves participants riding bicycles over very rough, uneven land.
After mountain biking, Bradley started to compete in trail and mountain runs. Mountain running requires participants to run uphill over elevated surfaces. She competed on the U.S. Mountain Running Team during the 1998 championships in Re'union, France.
Bradley along with two other teammates won the 1998 Hi-Tec Adventure Racing Series Challenge in New York. The challenge involves biking, kayaking and running.
Although Keegan is quick to say that Bradley is the "professional athlete" in their friendship, he often competes in long distance runs. He's competed in several 50K races, each of which equals about 31 miles. This past March, Keegan ran the 26-mile Tennessee Savage Gulf Marathon in six hours and 53 minutes. He said the race is considered the "hardest trail marathon in the U.S."
Although the pair of friends compete in extreme running sports, they still depend on one another for accountability on their daily runs. Bradley of Phoenixville and Keegan of Scarlets Mill meet at the park and run for at least six miles.
"If we don't go together it doesn't happen for either of us," Keegan said.
They've known each other for so long they act more like brother and sister than friends. They tease one another, finish each other's sentences and of course run together just about every day.
Keegan jokes that Bradley is usually in the lead during their runs but said it's nice to have someone there to run with.
Keegan and Bradley have a lot in common. Both were a part of their high school track team, and both would rather exercise outdoors than inside.
"I can't stand confinement," Bradley said adding that this past winter was tough because of all the snow.
Bradley said running is a cheap way to exercise. She said all you really need is a good pair of running shoes and you can go.
She said people should go out and try some of the local trails even if they walk some of the way and run the other part.
"It doesn't matter how fast you go," she said. "Just get out there and go."
Bradley and Keegan are very active older adults but said they can definitely feel the difference compared to 20 years ago.
"Recovery time is harder," Bradley said and Keegan added that recovery is his biggest issue as well.
"I used to be able to run two hours with no problem but now my limit is about an hour 15 minutes before I start seeing negative results," Bradley said.
Keegan said he's had to decrease the amount of long distance runs he does since getting older.
"I do lots of longer stuff where you're on the trails for six to eight hours," Keegan said. "I used to be able to do one every other week and now I have to cut back,"
The pair said to help with recovery they include lots of protein in their diet and stay hydrated.
"The older you get, the more water you actually need," Bradley said. "Water, water, water."
Bradley also recommends that older adults do water exercises and balance work. She said there are several exercises that can be done at home just using bodyweight.
"You don't even have to go to a gym to get fit," she said.
Bradley and Keegan stay fit by using the outdoors as their gym and their friendship as encouragement. They've traveled all over the country together competing in races. If you ask either of them the dates of those races, they won't be able to tell you.
"We're not the type to write all that down," Keegan said.
The duo of friends participate in races because it's fun; they haven't let age stop them in their fitness conquests.


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RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- The General Assembly has finalized a temporary solution designed to ensure thousands of North Carolina residents living in group homes and special dementia units get aid while losing certain Medicaid services.
The House unanimously agreed Tuesday to the Senate's version of the bill that says $40 million set aside to supplement Medicaid payments though this summer to adult care home residents also can help other facilities. The measure now heads to Gov. Pat McCrory for his signature.
New rules reduced or eliminated what Medicaid covered for people with severe mental illness, developmental disabilities or Alzheimer's disease, such as bathing or meals.
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Half of the 2012/13 campaign has already flown by in a blaze of controversy, drama and action - and the turn of the new year promises a whole lot more.
In England, Champions of Europe Chelsea have sacked the man who took the to glory on a balmy night in Munich back in May, in Spain Real Madrid appear to be constantly on the verge of collapsing in on themselves while in Germany, Bayern Munich seemingly have one hand on the trophy already after a staggeringly good start.
It is an age old question and one that is hard to answer, but at the half-way point of the season it seems pertinent to ask; which league is the best?
Of course there is a certain amount of subjectivity to such a question but one way of comparing the leagues to one another is to look at the statistics and this time round they paint an interesting picture.
Spanish and European football has been dominated in recent years by Barcelona and their tiki-taka style; a tactic the Spanish national team have deployed to perfection recently to carry them to three consecutive major international trophies.
But a new set of statistics published by El Pais in Spain reveal something quite unexpected. Even though Barcelona are the team to have completed the most passes on average per game in the first half of the season (666 passes per game), it is the Premier League that leads the way in terms of most passes per game compared to La Liga and Bundesliga.
On average a Premier League game in the 2012/13 season has 697 passes per game, while the Bundesliga has 664. Compare that to La Liga's average of 638 and the oft-stated belief that the Premier League is high on entertainment but low on quality is cast in a new light. Equally, Spain's obsession with possession doesn't seem quite as universal as originally thought.
Of course it is no use having all that possession and making so many passes if there is no end product, and once again Spain lags behind the English and German leagues. The Bundesliga leads the way with an average of 2.9 goals per game with the Premier League just behind on 2.88. Spainish league games have on average 2.85 goals per game.
Barcelona do at least take the individual title for most goals per game; spearheaded by Lionel Messi, the Catalan club score 3.35 goals per game, ahead of Juventus (2.75), Bayern Munich (2.59) and Paris Saint-Germain (1.89).
When it comes to shots on target, once again it is the Premier League that leads the way; English clubs take on average 27.8 shots per game, ahead of the Italians, who attempted 26.8 in each game so far this season.
So all the stats seem to show that the Premier League, closely followed by the Bundesliga, can offer up more consistent high-quality football compared to La Liga, which is commonly held up as the best league in the world.
Swansea's Spanish defender Chico Flores believes there is an explanation as to why the Premier League can seemingly offer up more attacking football than his much-vaunted countrymen.
"The condition of the pitches is perfect and encourages passing. And the rhythm is faster, it doesn't stop for 90 minutes," he said. "The game is so fast there are fewer fouls because you don't have time to catch your opponent."
Norwich's Javier Garrdio believes there is also another reason for the Premier League's success this term.
"In England the referees want the game to flow, so there are fewer interruptions," he said.
So all that paints a pretty interesting picture, namely that the Premier League is the place to be for attacking, flowing football, right?
Well. yes and no. What is noticeable is that after Barcelona this season, there is a huge drop off in quality. The Catalan club are by far and away the most prolific scorers and have most possession and passes, but beyond them it seems as though the drop-off in attractive football is quite noticeable.
Of course, the fact that La Liga is something of a two-horse race has been known for some time, and that is something the stats show. Barcelona outshine pretty much every other European team but the strength in the depth in the English league seemingly make it a stronger competition overall.
So what these figures show is that for the very best games in the world, watch Barcelona. But if you can only follow one league in its entirety then the Premier League appears to be the best bet.
"La Liga is a two-horse race," notes Garrido. "In England, with the arrival of foreign investors, it has balanced out. A few years ago it would have been impossible for Manchester City to be in with a chance of winning the title."
What that could be attributed to is the equal distribution of TV money in England compared to Spain, which allows more clubs to be competitive and attract a better calibre of player. Indeed, clubs lower down the ladder like Swansea and Southampton have been able to snap up Michu and Gaston Ramirez, both players capable of gracing one of the bigger clubs in England.
The Ballon d'Or winner will be announced tonight, with all three finalists plying their trade in La Liga. There can be no doubt that the very best players in the world can be found in Spain, but the distinctly uneven distribution of wealth and talent mean that for an overall viewing experience, the Premier League is currently the place to be.
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Randy Rieland, left, a member of the Dean's Advisory Council and journalism alumnus, talks to WOUB Public Media Director and General Manager Tom Hodson during a dinner on April 3, 2014. The gathering was the first event held on the Schoonover Patio area of the new Steven L. Schoonover Center for Communication. / Photos by Yi-Ke Peng
Scripps College Dean's Advisory Council expands
Group of communication professionals, alumni support industry, college ties
By Erin Roberts and Kerry Tuttle
ATHENS, Ohio (May 8, 2014)—The Scripps Dean's Advisory Council (DAC) has nearly doubled in membership in the past year. The council's most recent meeting was conducted on campus April 3 and 4. Thirteen of the 22 council members visited Ohio University's Athens campus to discuss the future of the College and meet with various Scripps faculty and students.
"The Dean's Advisory Council provides an essential flow of communication between alumni, who are also highly successful professionals in the field, and the academic leaders in the College," said Dean Scott Titsworth. "Through our interaction with the advisory council we are able to discuss ways in which our college can adapt to changes being observed in the communication field, and we are also able to keep some of our most successful alumni actively engaged in the activities of the College."
In April, council members received a development and college update, as well as a tour of the new Schoonover Center for Communication and a presentation of the building's Phase II progress. They also participated in strategy dialogues and project meetings with senior leaders in the College.
"Given the fast-changing media landscape, there's enormous benefit in having industry professionals interact with Scripps College leaders, students and faculty," said Andy Alexander, BSJ '72, a visiting professional in the E.W. Scripps School of Journalism and longtime member of the DAC. "Members of the council offer valuable guidance on how Scripps can provide the most relevant educational experience. They also are helpful to Dean Titsworth in making industry connections, setting priorities and offering independent advice on some of the challenges he faces in leading the Scripps College."
DAC members also connected with students at an informal dinner where the Schoonover Patio was used for the first time. Additionally, several members participated in various classes and took a tour of The Post offices in Baker Center on April 4.
DAC member Kathy Cerminara, BSJ '83, spoke to a Communication Studies class called "Communication and Interpersonal Relationships." She was very excited about the opportunity prior to speaking to the COMS 2060 class. "It's a subject I like to talk about – communication and end-of-life decision making," said Cerminara, who serves as a professor of law at Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale. "I'm also looking forward to visiting The Post. I used to spend 3 or 4 nights a week in that newsroom when I was in college."
Professor Dan Farkas hosted DAC members in his Strategic Communication capstone class and said classroom visits are always a great experience. "Dean's Advisory Council members have the ability to share a real-world perspective that a book can't offer. Plus, they embody what it means to be an OHIO Bobcat, giving back and helping students get more out of their time on campus."
DAC members take as much away from this experience as students do, according to Alexander, who says members get a lot out of discussions with faculty and students. "They almost always come away impressed by where Scripps is heading and optimistic about the future of the communications field."
The council was formed in 2000 by then-Dean Kathy Krendl as part of Ohio University's Bicentennial Campaign, and meets twice a year, usually off campus in the fall and on campus in the spring. In 2009 and 2010, several members of the council contributed funding to name a conference room in the new Steven L. Schoonover Center for Communication.
Dean Titsworth says having a council of accomplished and respected alumni to call upon at a moment's notice is an invaluable resource.
"Members of the Dean's Advisory Council are some of the most active and committed alumni that I have met," he said. "They love the Scripps College and their home school, and they work hard to be part of our future growth and development. They are committed to helping current students have every opportunity possible to excel, and they leverage both personal and professional resources to help make that happen."
The Scripps Dean's Advisory Council will meet again in late October in Los Angeles. An alumni reception is planned, and area alumni are encouraged to attend.