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Sunday, November 16, 2008
California Fires Rage As Gay Marriage Protesters Defy God
Each time homosexual activists attempt to force their agenda on California, there have been raging, massive, incinerating fires sweeping across the California landscape.
Today, people are running for their lives as 800 California homes have burned down and the firestorm is spreading like a nuclear holocaust. Yet, the radical homosexual anarchists rampage upon the streets of this state demanding the destruction of marriage and family, and the establishment of their socialistic dark vision for society.
You see, the problem is this: God has plans for California in the near days ahead. Thus, these attempts to force an ungodly tyranny on this state are being met blow with blow by God. God is saying, "California shall be a refuge for America when the catastrophes come. California belongs to Me, not the advocates of sexual anarchy."
The more that homosexual activists press their battle in California, the more there will be great calamaties in this state. Go ahead, challenge the Lord Thy God in this season. For I have heard the voice of the Lord say, "This state belongs to God! It is not the land of degradation and immorality anymore. I shall have My way, for this land, I created. And this land is Mine!" thus saith the Lord.
The Prophet Amos declared in the Bible:
I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD."
I declared a word from the Lord in the James Hartline Report before, on October 22, 2007 and they would not listen. Will they listen now:
They Would Not Listen -- And Now We Are Burning!
They shook their fists at God and said, "We don't care what God says, we will issue our legal brief to support gay marriage in San Diego!" Then Mayor Jerry Sanders mocked the Christian vote and signed off on this rebellious legal document to support same-sex marriage.
And then the streets of La Jolla under the Mt. Soledad Cross began to cave in. They shook their fists at God and said, "We don't care what the Bible says, We want the California school children indoctrinated into homosexuality!"
And then Governor Schwarzenegger signed into law the heinous SB777 which bans the use of "mom" and "dad" in the text books and promotes homosexuality to all school children in California.
And then the wildfires of Southern California engulfed the land like a raging judgment against the radicalized anti-christian California rebels.
How low will we go? Why won't they listen? Why won't they stop their madness?The Bible says that in the last days, the nations will rebel against God until He can't take it anymore.
Was it all worth it?
Were the few years of sexual immorality worth the eternal destruction and earthly chaos it brought?
How low will we go?
36 comments:
James, you are not listening to what God is saying. God is not burning the gay enclaves such as Castro, West Hollywood, and Hillcrest. He is burning the straight ghettos. Yesterday he burned a trailer park with 600 mobile homes. Gay people are not trailer trash and do not live in trailer parks. That trailer park was filled with bible thumping Christians who voted FOR proposition 8.
God can not be mocked. He is sending a message that he will not tolerate discrimination and will send those practice this sin to their fiery destruction.
Did you notice what beautiful weather God provided for the protest march and rally on Saturday? God provides.
I wonder why God is sparing Connecticut His wrath, considering they have allowed gay marriage for months now? C'mon God, they need to be burned too!
I think God needs to work on his accuracy a bit, since West Hollywood is 35 miles west of the fires. And West Hollywood is itself right up against a hill that has plenty of trees to burn, yet, it sits there untouched.
You simply cannot make such a correlation. God speaks through His word and if He wants to make a point outright it wouldn't be so ambiguous as a fire that can be explained by any number of sources. Your attempt to speak for God is no more righteous than their behavior.
Um, James, if you look at the order of things:
1. Gays get marriage rights in Cali. (No fires. No lightning strikes. No earthquakes.)
2. Prop 8 is put on the ballot and passes, stripping minorities of rights.
So who is God sending the fires after? The delusional, like yourself.
- James Hartline said...
If you took the time to study the Bible instead of trying to justify your sins by belittling me, you would find out that "judgment begins at the house of the Lord." It is obvious that when the Christians in California unite they are in charge of the moral condition of our state. This is proven by the fact that we handily won Prop. 8. The judgment is beginning at the house of the Lord because there is much corruption in the Christian camp. It is our side that has allowed the immorality and homosexuality to prosper in this state. The gay agenda would have never gotten anywhere in California if the Christians would have risen up accordingly and stopped it. We have the spiritual authority to have stopped this madness long ago. But, because the Christians have been so busy trying to get rich, to get their two homes, their boats, their vacations, their jewelry, their entertainment and their plastic surgeries, that they have neglected the things that are important to God. In today's California culture, it is often hard to tell the unsaved from the Christians. The fact that there are more divorces among churchgoers than there are among the unsaved, is a scathing indictment against the church. And the Bible says that God will not be mocked. The Lord is beginning to intenstify His anger with the apathetic and compromising church. This is for our benefit. For in the last days, there is going to be horrific catastrophes in the United States, particularly in New England. And God wants California to be prepared to be a refuge during these upcoming terrible times. As such, God will have His way. If California does not repent of its obessession with sexual immorality, pornography, abortion, greed, child abuse, idolatry, witchcraft, occult and on and on and on, there is going to greater and greater punishments from the hand of the Lord against this state until it repents of its rebellion against God.
And the idea that these fires are
not God's judgment or His doings because the fires were started by arsonists or overcrowding or drought, is just plain stupid. God uses many factors at His disposal to bring forth His will and His purposes. Jesus said, "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, ON EARTH, as it is in heaven."
Try reading the Bible and actually studying it, instead of trying to ridicule what the Lord says through His servants. You will save yourself alot of impending grief if you relent of your rebellion against the Lord and finally submit to His Spirit and His assignment for your life upon this earth.
For what good does it do, for a person to gain the whole world and lose one's soul?
I knew you and your ilk would be out with this nonsense sooner or later. It evidences a profound sense of self-absorption to presume that the architect of the universe -- if there is such a thing; I don't believe in him or it, but I am playing along here -- would possibly concern himself with the petty gripes of a bunch of ignorant fundamentalists.
What you're doing is engaging in post hoc rationalizations of tragic events. Indeed, the other posters are correct: Assuming that this god personage of whom you speak would be so petty and small as to visit catastrophes upon people, why would he do it to those who probably voted "your way" on the issue of Prop 8 while ignoring the vast swathes of people who were against Prop 8 and out there protesting against its passage?
Religion is -- in my opinion -- a brain virus. The need for some daddy figure or his graceful, lithe, unmarried, hippie son to rescue you from your own personal misfortune is childish enough. But the further need to have this dad or his son visit wrath upon your enemies is pure school-yard nonsense that really speaks to a sense of helplessness in your own personal life.
I await a rebuttal that is grounded in something other than the bible or the preachings of those who believe in its divine origin.
- grinder said...
Hey James, did you ever consider that God sends all those tornadoes to Texas and Oklahoma to get revenge on the Baptists for their high divorce rates and hypocrisy?
- bluespapa said...
I wonder if God flat out hates FEMA. Or maybe this is his way of performing eminent domain, since He's sparing the lives of the home owners (oops, I almost said homos), but taking their property.
Very odd, since the people of California rejected the sanctity of marriage, or anyway, gay marriage. Maybe He in His infinite wisdom is punishing the people who located their homes in the middle of a desert--oh, wait. That would include the homelands of Jews, Christians, and Muslims, too.
I wish the Guy would just spell it out in plain and simple Greek, like he did the New Testament. Or Hebrew. Or send a prophet who might actually do His job when he sends him out.
- Regan DuCasse said...
It was NOT the Bible that eliminated slavery and Jim Crow in this nation, it was the Constitution.
It wasn't the Bible that protected children from child labor and allowed public schools, it was the Constitution.
It wasn't the Bible that gave you religious freedom, it was the Constitution.
It wasn't the Bible that expanded women's rights and voting rights for all, it was the Constitution.
And now that the Bible couldn't be used to persuade fairness in marriage equality, YOU and your ilk...turned to THE CONSTITUTION.
God's word and law isn't invoked here.
And instead of praying for those poor people who lost their homes, and for the firefighters to be safe and thanking God that so far there is no loss of life...
You point a finger of blame at the most vulnerable and easiest of targets.
James Hartline, you are a vindictive coward.
Seriously, such a coward.
The firefighters, and those who lost their material possessions aren't blaming gay people.
They'd look ridiculous to do so.
Get a clue.
- James Hartline said...
Regan DuCasse:
You get one chance to disrespect me and then good bye. You have just used your one chance. I get hundreds of requests to post to my blogs everyday. I sometimes open up my blogs for comments, but usually I do not. Thus, if you want to engage in meaningful, but respectful discourse, fine. But your childish and pointless rants will be sent to the trash bucket from now on and ignored. I get no benefit whatsoever in using up my time to read your meaningless screams. I do have your ISP address, as I have on every poster, so you know now what your parameters are in dealing with me. And, if you took the time to step outside of our own self-imposed little world, you would find the Bible existed just a little bit, just a tiny little bit, oh just a wonder little bit of time prior to the conception of the constitution. It was Jesus who died on the cross that put an end to slavery. It was our sins that kept that slavery in tact. Do try to be a little more open minded please.
It is beautiful weather in San Francisco, and has been for the past few days.
It makes one treasure the beauty of God's creation. The best weather (not too hot, not too cold) is in the Castro district.
- David said...
There were massive wildfires last year too. What was the reason for God's vengeance then?
There are tornados in Kansas every year.
Hurricanes throughout the Southeast.
Volcanoes in Washington.
Avalanches in Colorado.
Floods in North Dakota.
Tsunamis in Bangladesh.
Droughts in Africa.
There are natural disasters every week, throughout the world, visited on the Bible belt as well as the atheists, the Muslims as well as the Hindus, on rich, poor, black, white, and brown. You can't point to a single catastrophe and say that it's proof that God is on your side. What did those heathens in Grand Forks do to deserve the terrible Flood of 1997? Or those notoriously liberal and anti-Christian people of Alabama to have earned God's wrath in the form of tornadoes every year?
Besides that, as others have already mentioned, San Francisco, the very heart of wickedness, has seen nothing but beautiful weather since the protests. If we're divining God's intent through the weather, then does that mean the gays and lesbians clustered in the Castro district have earned his blessing?
Try a little intellectual honesty and think about what you're saying, or else you're not convincing anyone who doesn't already agree to your narrow, arrogant views of what God wants.
The first nation on earth to grant homosexuals the right to marry was Denmark, almost 20 years ago. A predominently christian nation.
Why is it that - if your god gets so pissed by those evil, evil fags - that no major natural disaster has struck the country since then? Not important enough?
And why is it, James, that wildfires - a regular occurence in California this time of the year - are suddenly the "judgement of god"? After California voted *for* prop 8 - while no such judgement was apparent when California's supreme court initialy allowed same-sex marriage?
- Mark Dietrich said...
God's covenant is the rainbow.
- Nameless Cynic said...
Mr Hartline,
If God is burning the gays for their sins, why are His fires burning in places that voted overwhelmingly for Proposition 8, and not in places that opposed it?
Did God miss?
May I point you to a quote by a Christian writer, Anne Lamott:
"You can tell you have created God in your own image when it turns out that he or she hates all the same people you do."
- nurseguy said...
James-may I call you James? You seem surprised at the sort of response you are generating by posting this sort of vitriol on the World Wide Web where it can be linked and searched and relinked to blogs all across the internet. What did you really expect? You know in your heart of hearts this is the sort of attention you want. I too once thought of myself as 'ex gay' cured by the blood of Jesus!! I too once trumpeted to those in prison where I preached, on street corners where I held forth 'God's Word' that homosexuality was an abomination!! Some responded with fear of god but those who knew there was no such thing as god scoffed at me and some people called me out for what I was-nothing but a big old nelly gay holding a bible up in a lame attempt to appear 'righteous' and 'straight.' It is high time humanity moves beyond bronze age beliefs and lives in the moment enjoying our short lives and forgetting tales of jealous and vengeful gods who somehow control the weather and nature to punish us!
- James Hartline said...
Huh? Nurseguy? Huh? I seemed to have misplaced that posting you are referring to. The one you claim implies something about me being surprised at the response I'm getting. I haven't implied any sort of thing about being surprised.
And as to your strange assumption that you know what is in my heart, or that I am somehow looking for attention via the things I post on my blogs -- well, let's just say that your ASSUMPTIONS are.....well.... incorrect! That's it: incorrect!
I don't need to get attention by posting articles on the internet. I already have the biggest email list in San Diego County. I have plenty of readers. My email readers are from all 50 states and several countries. I have one of the most developed communications network in the United States and I have Christians that are ready to stand with me on any issue at any time. This is why 200 people showed up with only four days notice to stand with me at the San Diego City Council three weeks ago to protest the city council's resolution opposing Prop. 8. We are growing very strong and we are ready to affect change in our city, in our state and in our nation. So, the idea that you think I am seeking attention is really an underdeveloped and native, at best, conclusion. When I do post on my blogs it is just one extra piece of work for me to do. I have an extremely long list of people waiting to be added to my email list and they have to be inspected before they are added to a readership that exceeds 50,000 email readers.
You might want to go back, sit down, and rethink some new assumptions, because your current ones certainly don't make for a very good driving record.
And try to understand at least this:
My actions are displayed before God. He is all I am concerned about. His attention is the only attention that matters to me. When I die and go to heaven my life will be an open book before Him and He will judge me based upon one thing: did I obey Him in this life? Did I do what He required of me when I committed my life to Him. At the end of the day, that is all that matters to me. So, your opinion, and that of every other hostile and hateful homosexual or atheistic activist, is really, really, really immaterial to me.
True Christians, the real ones, die to self, they pick up their crosses, and they follow Him. And that is how I live my life.
May I point you to a quote by a Christian writer, Anne Lamott:
"You can tell you have created God in your own image when it turns out that he or she hates all the same people you do."
- James Hartline said...
Oh please: radical, liberal Anne Lamott is the last person I would look to as a source for defining what Christianity is.
From a recent article in the San Francisco Chronice, the author David Ian Miller said this about Lamott:
"Her writings on faith — three books so far — are peppered merrily with profanity, doubt and occasionally a bit of wickedness. Sentences like "I was f—ed unto the Lord," descriptions of emotions and things as "Jesusy," plus a political stance that favors abortions, gay rights and euthanasia tend to resonate with those who have a more liberal outlook on religion, while annoying the hell out of more conservative Christians"
We are now getting a more unfortunately putrid look into what the leftist, homosexual and socialistic realm defines Christianity to be. And it ain't pretty.
Fortunately, because we are getting that look, we can be assured that Prop. 8 will not be reversed and that more and more Americans will begin to safeguard their futures from the charlatan offerings of the gay leftist agenda.
- James Hartline said...
Sebastian said...
The first nation on earth to grant homosexuals the right to marry was Denmark, almost 20 years ago. A predominently christian nation.
Why is it that - if your god gets so pissed by those evil, evil fags - that no major natural disaster has struck the country since then? Not important enough?
Sebastian has just answered his own question as to why he is so confused. He claims that Denmark is a "christian" country. That same Denmark which allows prostitutes to model in store windows and the public use of heroin on the streets of Copenhagen.
Once again, we are getting a look at just how warped is the homosexual left's definition of Christian. Has not Denmark been the site of terrible Islamic murders? Was not Denmark one of the early targets for takeover by Hitler's evil forces? The Bible is very clear: the wages of sin is death.
It is now coming out in the news that the California fires were started by humans. One of them was sparked by a bonfire.
Do you ever wonder why some fundamentalist religions - and the political far right in general - spend so much time and energy obsessing about gay people and "homosexual behavior"? Recently, for example, obscene amounts of money were spent in California by anti-gay marriage groups in their efforts to reverse gay marriage. Why are they so willing to spend millions of dollars to "protect heterosexual marriage" while simultaneously ignoring (or giving only lip service) to a very wide range of some pretty nasty human behaviors - many of which are repeatedly condemned in the very bible from which they select the few isolated sentences used to bash gays? Gay or straight, unless you´re brain dead or live on mental pabulum (read that as talk radio and Fox News), you might have pondered these questions on occasion or wondered a bit more about the origin and energy behind of all the anti-gay hub-bub. Why has "gay" become the current big boogieman of the American culture?
Funny, I was under the impression that God sent fires to California to punish those who have truly violated the word of Christ: THOSE WHO JUDGE. That would be you. I encourage you to find even one shred of commentary by Jesus in the Gospels about homosexuality; along the way you will encounter countless passages (in fact, an overwhelming theme) of Christ's teaching against those who judge. Why would God have punished the state that just made same-sex marriage illegal, sparing Massachusetts & Connecticut; that would be because the one True God (not the spiteful god you claim to worship) is not hateful. God is love. So, Mr. Hartline, I am still waiting for you to take the log out of you own eye, you hypocrite.
- p.Johanna said...
I'm wondering why God hasn't burned Spain, Canada, Belgium, and our very own CT? What a vile thing to say, considering the area is populated by the financial backers of Yes on 8.
Matthew 19:18 Christ said, "thou shall not bear false witness" you are worst of then anyone that is gay, my Brother. God forgive you.
James Hartline's hilarity is ingenious. I'm holding my sides from laughing so hard. I've never seen so much energy fueled into keeping that closet door shut. It's always funny to see some effeminate waif clinging to outdated and witchy superstitions out of guilt in order to keep his sexuality repressed, but it's belly bursting comedy to see this one preaching on the internet that god is punishing gays in California by burning down the homes of humble trailer park residents. Way to win them over, girl. Luckily their computers have melted into the dirt and they probably won't read your idiotic interpretation. Hope all this works out for you, Ms. Hartline. When you get tired of all the attention, and you need a "release," you know where to go. ;-) Just pray afterward that god doesn't burn your house up for it!!!
I am one of your firefighters, AND I am female, and I AM a LESBIAN!!
And to think that anyone would even believe a word this guy says is truly scary. WHAT is WRONG with people?!! Desparate??
- Regan DuCasse said...
See James, there are gay people who are fighting those fires. Who wear the uniform of this nation's military branches and who serve local communities as law enforcement officers. I have the pleasure and honor to work alongside those officers as a crime scene photographer for one of the largest police agencies in the world.
I don't see you really knowing or confronting what is most depraved among us.
One cannot vilify who they benefit from and claim moral high ground.
One cannot hide in the closet while the dangerous work of protecting the public goes on, and those living their authentic lives even as it is risky to do so. These ARE the best and bravest that God ever made.
So James...
Why do you keep calling yourself 'fighting' for anything that's tangible?
What exactly do you think you know about fighting and being courageous? Who benefits most from your forays into the internet jungle?
If you were so worried about God being mocked, you wouldn't grab attention the way you do.
God isn't mocked, but understand why when YOU are.
All i have to say is...As Christians we believe in God, and God has set a standard which is marriage between a man and a woman....anything outside that is sin...God never went against LGBT standards because He defined His standards even before you were ever born...so it is you who's HATING ON GOD NOT GOD...who were burning BIBLES in cali???i heard recently few christians were worshipping out in public...and some gay people surrounded them and threated to rape em a SWAT team had to come and help stop it...why isn't this in the news??...any hint of media being biased??..its a shame that people say that gays need laws such as hate crime to protect them( i know of people who were arrested just for saying it was wrong)...how come gays aren't arrested for burning bibles etc??...i am still amazed at how your voice can be heard but you have an issue if Christians speak up for what they believe...next thing i want to say is this for all GAY people out there listen... God loves you...unconditionally...and He loves you to the point HE lets you know what is right and wrong because He is more concerned about your eternal soul and destiny over your short life and temporary pleasures on this earth...
bible says men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of pleasures than lovers of God 1Tim3. dont you realise people that bible is clear no homosexuals will enter the kingdom of God 1 Cor 6:9.wake up people!!!repent for God has been so merciful to you for so long.
Hi, James. I listened to you on Alan Colmes' radio show. I agree with what you said about God, but I'm sure about the fires occuring because of gays. Alsn said you were not attracted to women, and can't imagine someone who can't be in contact with anybody. As if you are asexual. What do you think about those comments?
- evilgrrl said...
Where to start... Let's see:
John 8:7
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
James 5:9
Murmur not, brethren, one against another, that ye be not judged: behold, the judge standeth before the doors.
Luke 6:42
Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
Matthew 7:5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
I mentioned this to my Higher Power when we were talking today, and She said that She's going to be the one to judge me, so I don't have to worry about this guy James.
Just wanted to pass that on to my brothers and sisters. :-) Check with God before believing anything this James guy has to say.
evil grrl...remember that right after Jesus told them not to cast the stone...He also said..." Go And Sin No More"...remember...you yourself just judged James right now...didnt u?? by saying don't listen to this guy...isn't that judging???..James is speaking the word of God...he has been through somethings you haven't been through...so you don't know the intent of his heart...he probably is specifically addressing the issue of homosexuality because God has set him free from the same and wants to help others...the Bible says to rebuke, admonish others 2 Thess3:14-15...the Pharisees who were judging people did it out of self righteousness, not to correct them and lead them to God...how will people be lead to God or repent..if they don't know what they are doing is wrong in the first place????...God has called men and women to speak of His truth...and if u think what he is doing is judging then you don't judge him either...
PEOPLE JUST LISTEN, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE OR NOT, IT IS WRITTEN AND IT IS COMING TO PASS. IF YOU READ THE Bible YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THE SIMULARITIES OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WORLD TO TODAY BY WHAT IS WRITTEN THERE . YOU MIGHT TRY TO IGNORE IT BUT IT IS CLEAR. NO ONE, NO PRESIDENT WE ELECT NO WAR WE TRY TO STOP NO HUNGER WE TRY TO STOP, NO GLOBAL WARMING WE TRY TO STOP IS GOING TO KEEP THE PROPHECY FROM FULFILLING ITSELF. ALL I CAN SAY TO ALL OF YOU IS PRAY AND REPENT SO WHEN THE TIME COMES, YOU CAN SEE THE GLORY OF GOD. I DON'T CONDON HOMOSEXUALITY I BELIEVE IT IS THE DEVIL JUST LIKE MURDERERS OR THEIVES, BUT WE HAVE STOPPED TRYING TO FIGHT THE DEVIL AND HE IS WINNING.. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT BUT NOW ONE SHOULD HARM OR DISLIKE ANYONE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING INSIDE THEM THAT THEY CAN'T CONTROL. WE HAVE SPECIAL LAWS FOR HOMOSEXUALS JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO HARM THEM. PERSONALLY I HAVE THE RIGHT NOT BE AROUND ANYONE I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IN THE PRIVACY OF MY HOME. I UNDERSTAND THAT IN A PUBLIC PLACE YOU EITHER CAN GO THER OR NOT YOU HAVE A CHOICE, BUT YOU CANNOT FORCE ANYONE TO ACCEPT ANYTHING THEY DO NOT LIKE! I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR GAY MARRIAGE BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE CONSUMATED AND A MARRIAGE MUST BE CONSUMATED!IF GAY PEOPLE WANT TO PUT THERE PARTNERS ON THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS ,RETIEMENTS BENIFITS OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY HAVE EARNED OR PUCHASED AS BENIFICIARIES, I SAY LET THEM .IT'S THEIR MONEY. I REALLY BELEIVE THAT THE WHOLE GAY MARRRIAGE THING IS ABOUT MONEY AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS MARRIED COUPLES WITHOUT THE MARRIGE ISSUE . THINK ABOUT IT. GOD BLESS YOU
If people don't believe in God then why so offensive and angry. If you don't believe and are angry with the Almighty then you just like everyone else is broken and a sinner. There is hurt deep down somebody caused it. Why shove same sex marriages why the need to be accepted? Another thing God loves everyone hates sin loves the sinner. You were not born gay.


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Becoming religious
It pleased me so much to hear about your mother's reaction to you becoming religious, Lori. I'm glad that she was so accepting and that you acknowledge it. Currently, I am in the process of deciding whether I want to become religious and am facing mixed reactions from my family, ranging from supportive to confused (like why would you want to do that?). It was great for me to hear how well things seem to have worked out for you. I enjoy hearing your advice and stories.
(9) Anonymous, May 12, 2009 6:07 PM
(8) Miriam, May 12, 2009 1:21 PM
Lori's Mom
I have had the honor and pleasure of meeting Lori's mom on several occasions. Like Lori, she is devoted to her family. She is a wonderful mother, grandmother and great-grandmother. Her warmth and love of others are true and deep. Her beautiful paintings reflect the joy she brings to this world. Lori is truly her mother's daughter.
(7) Yisroel Pollack, May 11, 2009 3:34 PM
Gut Reaction


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The Dean Peak wildfire grew about 20 percent Thursday morning, inching closer to several small communities near Kingman. It is believed to have been started by lightning.
The Northern Arizona Incident Management Team said it has no containment on the fire, but crews have taken a defensive strategy to prevent any serious damages to personal property.
The wildfire has now consumed near 6,000 acres but has yet to cause any significant damages to nearby homes.
"If another thunderstorm comes up, it can take off," Firefighter Kelly Wood said. "If we get rain, obviously it will help, but other than that, we honestly can't tell (what will happen)."
More than 300 homes were evacuated, but firefighters remain optimistic those homes can be saved.
"(Burn-out areas) have been extremely helpful, keeping the fire away from the community itself," Wood said.
Crews have focused on burnout areas away from the fire itself in the hopes that this line of preburned trees and shrubs can stop the wildfire from spreading. In practice, burning these areas controls a line of possible fuel for the wildfire, and without a source of fuel, the wildfire will go cold.
However, firefighters said anything can happen.
"It will pop up out of the ground," Wood said about the wildfire. "It could be two, three, four days from now before it pops up out of the ground."
More than 400 firefighters are battling the wildfire including six hotshot crews and three helicopters in temperatures hotter than 100 degrees.
The evacuations will remain in place until further notice.
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Chinese People who Shape the World – Josie Liu
From China in Transition Blog:
The Time magazine's annual list of the 100 most influential people in the world features four figures from mainland China this year, one of the biggest pool of Chinese honorees in the past four years.
Chinese president Hu Jintao is on the list for the third time since 2004, and is the only Chinese figure appearing on the list for more than once in recent years.
Also on the list is Mr. Liu Qi, Beijing Communist Party Secretary and the head of the city's Olympic Organizing Committee. He was chosen for his important and challenging role in organizing the 2008 Olympic Games.
Zeng Jinyan, wife of environmental activist Hu Jia, is listed as one of the "heroes and pioneers" for her bravery of keeping blogging about she and her husband's battle against government oppression.
Internet pioneer Pony Ma, inventor of China's popular online communication service QQ, was selected, too. The online service has evolved into a 100-million-user network for online socializing and entertainment.[Full Text]


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Karl discusses some Nuggets hot topics
Here's Nuggets coach George Karl on some interesting issues, such as …
Denver's road struggles (losers of past six): "I think we've been a little too loose in our professionalism, our approach, our cockiness. I don't think it's going happen anymore. I think whatever we have left on the road, you're going to see pretty darn good performances. It'll be pretty easy to motivate them."
Denver's shot selection: "I think we take too many shots where we try to make the whistle blow. I don't think that's a good play. In playoff basketball, it doesn't matter. You can try to make the whistle blow, but they're going to call it a foul if it's a foul."
Making up for Kenyon Martin being injured (though Martin started Monday and will play limited minutes again on Wednesday): "It's tough to be a special team when you're hurt. You can kind of tread water and overachieve, but it's tough to be special when you don't have all your weapons."
On Nene (who scored 19 points with eight rebounds on Monday, following his 17 and 10 on Saturday): "I think he's been playing better the last couple games – a more consistent pattern to what he's trying to do. His knee was sore and he came back quicker, but I'm not sure he was playing 100 percent."
On playing against a zone defense: "One thing I'm a little leery of is (opposing zones). Fortunately with Chauncey (Billups), we don't get a lot of zones. But I think with zones in general, there's a moment where your personality is changing to how to get a shot and who gets a shot. In those possessions, sometimes you look stagnant and not as attack-oriented. It kind of slows your personality down."


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|2011-07-04, 01:59
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Also where is it that she was captured again? She went to the order of her own will to run it. She then left when she learned of Marianne's death. There is then a gap in what we know of her and where she went, though we know she was with Lelouch and Nunnally for SOME period of time before the war. I can't remember if it was said where/when she was captured, so I'm just going to assume she was captured in Tokyo... probably not too long before she forms the contract with Lelouch. Who was also in Tokyo.
During the year gap between R1 (if you want to call it that) and R2 she isn't captured, she is just in hiding with some of the other Black Knights who weren't captured like Kallen.
At the end of R2 she probably goes back into hiding, maybe somewhere in China? Even in this day and age there are still places where they use cart and horse and would maybe dress like that. It's said that in Code Geass China has a lot of poverty and stuff too, so it isn't that unlikely that there could be places like that where cart and horse were the main transportation. Plus obviously she got caught when she went to a more modern city and stuff... so why not do the opposite?
Now whether he would have broken it on his own if C.C. wasn't there I don't know. But he also had reason to break it, just like Nunnally did, but when he broke it Charles was still alive. If it was because of (or helped by) contact with C.C. then contact with a Code holder obviously effects Geass in some way.
She had the FLEIJA Launcher given to her because she requested it. She wanted to basically do the same thing that Lelouch was doing with Zero Requiem. Make a symbol of hatred so that there could be peace. I don't know if she planned on killing herself, destroying Damacles (sp?) or what, but that was basically why Lelouch used his Geass on her. He was all like "no, I can't, I wont!" until she said she wanted to make a symbol of hatred so that there could be peace... Next thing you know he has the launcher.
What my theory is/implies is that she had that time to recover her eyesight already. Any nerve damage or something from the lack of sight for the last 8 years is repaired. However, because she had been blind for so long and didn't know she wasn't, she basically stayed blind. When she opened her eyes it probably wasn't clear sight until the time passed to when Lelouch came up though.
If she did just suddenly break the Geass and it hadn't possibly worn off, then it should have been like if you just took off a blindfold after wearing it for 8 years. There is like no way she should be able to see.
If they had just drawn her with her eyes open but said she was blind then there wouldn't be any problem. The Geass just blocked a pathway and then it's gone and no damage. But her eyes being closed throughout everything changes the dynamics. There just needs to be some time for any damage to be sort of repaired, and if she suddenly breaks it I just don't see that time.
|2011-07-04, 02:15
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He's level headed.
How and where he is the most level headed:
Spoiler for Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2, Lelouch confronts Charles Zi Britannia in C's World:
|2011-07-04, 08:38
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That was Lelouch character-base. A lie.
Even Suzaku and Kallen clearly said that everything he said is just a lie if there's no action.
By sacrificing himself ( to atone his sins ) he force a lie called "Peace" to the world.
How a lie save a world and those precious for you.
Re's episode preview is showing Lelouch flashback.
And C.C. clothes during that scene ( seeing Suzaku and Lelouch as child ) is a clothes that only shown as the series progress, especially in World of C event.
As a side note, C.C. won't get those clothes without getting captured, as shown by Kallen as she's being captured after China Arc.
It's possibly a reference that C.C. is remembering Lelouch after R2 Turn 25, as C.C. never seen their childhood until she makes a pact with Lelouch.
Or possibly a reference that C.C. saw them before/after getting captured by Brittania as a test subject.
Nunnally clearly lose the FLEIJA Launcher when the Damocles is trembling.
She's trying as hard as she can to find the Launcher.
Why she's shocked as her head is moving to where the Launcher is located ?
Why she's holding the Launcher when she met Lelouch.
Draw your own conclusion
|2011-07-04, 11:05
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He didn't even have to sacrifice himself to atone or bring peace. Infact, he caused even more destruction with what he did. He could have just been a good leader to bring about peace, and more of a sure thing at that, and to atone as well.
"Sacrificing himself" was just an excuse to commit suicide after everything he had lost, including Nunnally's apparent death at the time he began his plan. He took the coward's way out, even if he had a ton of crap dumped on him.
|2011-07-04, 11:46
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There's Schniezel out there.
Schniezel is able demonstrate how OoBK betray him by an excuse called Geass.
If it's worked well to OoBK, UFN is an easy task for him.
If he kill Schniezel, it'll justify that Schniezel is true.
If he geassing Schniezel, it won't make any differences but time that judged everything again.
If Lelouch is managed to live and being a good leader.
Will he be able to live without accusations ?
OoBK clearly judge him as the one who guilt. It's not an easy life.
Proving you're a good guy everyday, is that called life ?
If Brittania is still exist by his lead.
Will the world really change just by abolishing Numbers ? Will the war really ended ?
That's why the words is "Break the chain of hatred"
Making sure the new world have no accusations toward each other.
Lelouch said this in Ragnarok Connection,
"The world that Nunnally wants is a world without accusations toward each other."
He reached this by Zero Requiem.
As well as fulfilling Suzaku and Kallen wish as his main goal.
It's the Guidebook that the one said "the main goal is an atonement."
Lelouch who wants to live, atone his sins through death.
Suzaku who wants to die, atone his sins through live.
Until the very end, Suzaku still insists, "Are you really want to do this ?"
It's not about running away anymore.
At first, it maybe a coward's way.
But it comes into a good resolution, even after he knew Nunnally is still alive.
But still, the ends justify everything.
No one complaining about what happens to Mt. Fuji in CG realm.
It's Lelouch the Demon Emperor who destroy it. He's a demon. That's all.
If there's any excuse, everything will be wrote in a History book and explained through a History subject at school.
We-- the watchers are the one complaining because we knew that Sakuradite is supplying 70% worlds energy and luckily, we're not watching it in the battlefield itself
|2011-07-04, 16:47
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If you read Mutuality, you'll see that he was despondent over Nunnally's apparent demise. Also, and this is important, when Suzaku asks him whether there are other methods for taking care of Schneizel and achieving peace, he confirms that there are. The atonement through death simply doesn't make sense because of everything he's doing to get there, from brainwashing mooks, putting masks on them and treating them as cannon fodder. He also assassinated many rebelling families, who C. C. noted had a right to object to him taking their status away. All of this was far worse than what Lelouch was supposedly atoning for.
Not to mention, of course, that unsatisfyingly, people responsible for either the betrayal or the strife that he was trying to STOP, such as Ohgi, Villetta and Cornelia, walked away with reasonably happy endings.
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|2011-07-05, 02:18
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Spoiler for Large image:
In the World of C event she is wearing the darker black/purple color version of the clothes she is captured in. As you can see that isn't what she is wearing in the first episode. She is wearing (close to ) the same color, but you can plainly see one of those waist sash belt things (don't know the name) and a sunflower on the side. Nowhere else (that I remember) is she wearing that.
In in the World of C event she also is wearing a sort of black knight unifrom, which again is nowhere near what she is wearing in ep 1.
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His only option would be to use Geass on Xing-Ke and Kaguya and other UFN members to win them over to his cause and declare the OotBK rebels. But then who will able to bring them to "justice"? Don't forget that to join the UFN countries had to disband their armies.
Kaguya may have trusted him some, but she was still being cautious as she didn't know what was going and what to expect. She also did buy into the Geass thing as evidenced by the fact that she took precautions so that no one could be Geassed by him.
As for the BK not being saints... while that is true, where is the betrayal you're talking about? Do you mean joining forces with Schneizel? How does that betray the UFN? They were still a "private company" and if they wanted to go try to kill Lelouch it's not like that was going against something the UFN said. Nor were they keen on attacking Lelouch's flagship because there were representatives from the UFN on it.. Schneizel was the one pushing for that, and he made them obey his commands to prevent him from doing that.
Or do you mean them turning on Lelouch was the betrayal? 99.9% of the members of it didn't know Lelouch was Zero and thought Zero died in battle. They were just dutiful soldiers following orders. Ohgi and the higher ups were the ones who "betrayed" him, but they had a valid reason to as he was being secretive and they didn't know if their actions were their own or not. Granted if they were Geassed they shouldn't have been able to think about betraying him, so that is proof they weren't... if they were thinking. But for the bulk of the order they knew nothing.
There were other methods, but maybe they weren't as effective or took longer. Or maybe he chose the death one because of what he thought about Nunnally being dead and stuff. By the time he learned she was alive he was already committed so had to complete it. He couldn't change things, he was already walking down the path of blood and he couldn't suddenly go "oh, I'm actually a nice guy" and try to start a new path.
I bet a lot of the other paths may have involved staying Zero and turning the OotBK into villains are you were saying above. But he went and (publically on world wide tv) admitted to killing his father and then proceded to Geass a ton of people... those who knew about the possibility of Geass (Kaguya, Xing-Ke, etc) now had proof it was true. What else could explain the sudden change. No, he HAD to stay on the path. He couldn't change now.
|2011-07-05, 04:28
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The quote Schneizel used was a recording of the words "I gave the order", which, as Tamaki noted, could have been anyone. Beyond that, said recording was a selective Quote Mining of the conversation, and regarding those words, Suzaku notes that Lelouch was lying about giving Euphie the geass command.
Either way, Lelouch could have requested, as Emperor, a private meeting with the UFN and the Black Knights in order to demonstrate the limits of his Geass and clarify his usage of it. If they were to refuse him, they would be considered at fault.
There are a couple of decent For Want of a Nail fanfics in the works by a writer called karndragon: Changing Course and Lelouch vi Britannia the 99th Emperor. The former is a what if scenario of Lelouch being saved from the betrayal by an OC instead of Rolo, and manages to secure Nunnally with his help, keeping him from the path of the Zero Requiem. The latter fic picks up from the latter part of Turn 21, only with Lelouch deciding to be a good emperor in memory of the ones he lost (or thought he did, in Nunnally's case).
|2011-07-05, 06:57
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In terms of lying, while it is true he was lying about it, he was only lying about the reason he did. I think that is the lie that Suzaku picked up on, as by then he knew all about Geass and there is no other way Euphy could have a change of heart.
Also why would he want them to know how his main weapon worked? He had a GREAT chance to tell Kallen about his Geass and how it worked in the second episode of R2, and he says jack to her about it. Look at how loyal she was already, if he had just spilled the beans about how he Geassed her at school to find out if she was at the ghetto and learned that you could only use it once... Well truth be told she'd probably be dead as I doubt she'd have even asked Lelouch about that thing when he got called to the hanger. And Lelouch only said what he said then because he thought he was going to die and didn't want her to die too.
Sorry to say, but I just don't see how Lelouch could talk his way out of that. He could maybe Geass his way out, but if he's explaining his Geass already as part of being nice and all that... Geass makes people do anything. What other reason could there be for the sudden change of heart.
Then you also have the fact that with how smart Zero was (granted no one knew his true identity then) and what he did it would be near impossible for someone to impersonate him and cause that incident. Especially with the radical change in Euphy which can really only be explained by Geass.
Yes, small actions can make a big change in events. But that doesn't mean that the events, and mindset behind the events that did actually happen, can be dismissed. Especially with someone as smart as Lelouch. Look at Mao and what kind of insight he can give on Lelouch's brain... 14 (or something) possibilities on who he was in a split second given VERY little information. Thinking about a ton of things at once to try to confuse him. Not to mention how many times did Lelouch say something about there being multiple courses of action in a lot of different things. You have to imagine he thought out what would happen if he did various things.
|2011-07-05, 09:51
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I see. I thought it was the same clothes before ^^;
But it doesn't proved enough that she's ( C.C. ) really watching them before.
They could've meet somewhere-- because Lelouch spent his time hiding in Kururugi Shrine.
I remembered there's a lot of things changed from the main story.
Like Suzaku's connection with Geass, Kallen's plot, even how the 25th episode of S1 should ended.
Maybe it was a part of it.
Let's see how Shikkoku no Renya handle those things
If not, she won't ask about, "Did you use your Geass to bind my will?"
That's enough clue-- especially by the fact that she spent most of her time to learn about Lelouch from C.C.
It's not because she's loyal.
At first, she needed him as Zero who guided them ( R2 Turn 7 )
Later, it turned to be something beyond devotion as she stated on her poem.
I also hated about Lelouch idea for there's no other way.
But the Complete Guide noted this on Suzaku's page :
"For the fact that he can atone for his sins through Zero's mask. As the results of fulfilling his own wish."
Kallen's page :
"Kallen realizes his thoughts for her- The little wish known as 'I'd like you to fulfill your own dreams'."
After reading those line, for me, the reason why he chose Zero Requiem over Nunnally become reasonable.
He'd rather choose to fulfill all of his pillars wishes rather than living with just to lose all of his pillars after losing all of his important people.
The ZR also playing this in the following order,
Spent the last romance moment with Kallen ( Turn 22 )
Spent the last friendship moment with Suzaku ( Turn 25 )
Spent the last brother moment with Nunnally ( Turn 25 )
It's impossible to evade Ougi, Viletta, and Cornelia huh ?
I don't mind with Cornelia.
Her foolishness is limited by the similar mindframe called Euphimia, just like Suzaku.
The differences is, Suzaku learned and accept the truth, and Cornelia is learned but denying the truth.
Ougi and Viletta ?
I don't mind with their relationship during S1. Because it's natural.
But well--- R2 really make me angst by the fact :
- Accepting Schniezel to invade OoBK mindframe ( He's your enemy-- why he manufacturing the FLEIJA if it's not to eliminating all of you )
- Playing "I'm a victim, so i have enough reason to betray him" ( It's Lelouch who gave you that uniform and pride )
- Sent Kallen as a bait and almost kill her in process ( She's Naoto sister, your friends little sister-- Even you forgot about her during the time when she's captured just by Viletta cases )
- Trade Lelouch for Japan ( It's the same thing with trading UFN with Japan, are you an idiot ? I'm understand if it's Kaguya, but Todo to share this mindframe, WTF )
- There's a flying fortress as a nuclear station. And you're allowing this even for just a one battle ? Especially knowing there's enough time to learn that Pendragon is already dissapeared from the map ?! Or also to learn that Lelouch army is a lot weaker compared to yours ?
Too bad Mt. Fuji eruption failed to kill him.
But at least, he's located at the smallest and the furthest picture from the center on Kallen's board, not even his wedding picture located there.
I'm satisfied enough with the fact that even one of the main characters who knew him didn't really appreciate his happiness
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|2011-07-05, 16:30
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If they were to not accept this, then that would demonstrate how callow they would be, given how they cooperated with Schneizel.
Then you also have the fact that with how smart Zero was (granted no one knew his true identity then) and what he did it would be near impossible for someone to impersonate him and cause that incident. Especially with the radical change in Euphy which can really only be explained by Geass.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about the public, who he wouldn't be explaining Geass to. As far as everyone knew, Euphy reappeared completely contrary to her normal self.
As for Villetta, well, she mostly sought nobility, to which effect she did the following: she used Shirley, who was heavily traumatized, in order to capture Zero, she was part of the spy detail watching over Lelouch in R2 for her knowledge of Geass and identity as Zero, and even following her exposure to Lelouch in later episodes (including him telling her he didn't want Shirley involved anymore), she has the nerve to testify against Lelouch on Ohgi's supposed behalf even though she should supposedly know Geass isn't as dangerous as was being insinuated. And naturally of course, she's taken in by the Black Knights with Ohgi's assistance, basically coasting, while doing nothing. And she was part of the Purist Faction to boot.
That the both of them get the happiest ending in spite of all of this makes them almost as infuriating as Jay Leno.
Kaguya herself was too smart too fall for that kind of a ruse, which was evidently why she was kept out of the discussion. Ditto Xing-ke.
It disturbs me that he and Villetta get to start a family, while Lelouch, who had to carry a whole lot of the weight, dies a virgin. In my fanfic idea, Ohgi and Villetta are both taken into custody and eternal servitude by Zerozaku, their child is adopted by Kallen, who has assumed the surname Lamperouge, and renamed Shirley. And the rewritten birth story? She's the child of Kallen and Lelouch "Lamperouge", conceived not long before the death of the latter, who perished in the Mt. Fuji explosion. Poetic, no?
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|2011-07-06, 00:01
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Where does he leave the other member nations out to dry also? They have no military power there (or anywhere) as to join the UFN they had to give it up. It's not like he pulled the BK back and let the Chinese Fed. army keep fighting...
I can maybe buy/understand the thought that in other areas they may be left hanging except for two things:
1. Given how the Britannia Army operates it was probably only over Area 11 that there was a ceasefire. So if the BK had any units elsewhere they would still defend the areas they were stationed in.
2. If indeed all the BK strength was in Area 11 then they had already "betrayed" the UFN by not leaving a token defense force or something behind. But you have to figure the UFN had already known that and was ok with it.
I understand that you want to paint Lelouch in a good light and most others are evil I can even sympathize with that as I don't think anyone would argue that Lelouch didn't get the short end of the stick and the betrayal of the BK was in bad tastes. That they didn't even give Lelouch a chance to argue his case was bad, especially given all he had done for them.
That doesn't make them out to be the "super evil omg they all need to go die in fire" people that (the way I read it) you're making them out to be though. I'm not trying to say they were saints, again they definitely weren't. But if you take a step back from "omg villain, don't care about them" attitude you can see why they did what they did. You can also see that some things you're trying to lay the blame on them for (like betraying the UFN) may be more a product of hatred for them.
Lelouch kept secrets and did things that people questioned. Even though he didn't think that they would get out, they did. Todo found out about the slaughter at the Order thing, and without context (and since no one knew about Geass...) that looks very VERY bad. He was keeping Corneillia locked up in secret on board the flagship too. Then what Villetta knew about him and told Ohgi... I bet she told him all about how he Geassed her, blackmailed her into helping him on school, etc. Again, those things look very bad. Then find out that he (and whether he meant to or not he did) ordered the death of lots of Japanese people to try to rally people to cause... He was supposed to be freeing them, not murdering them.
|2011-07-06, 02:54
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Lelouch didn't have any problems showing his Geass to her.
She didn't accused Lelouch for showing his Geass too.
She knew that Lelouch is a liar who uses OoBK for his own advantages, she also understand his mindset clearly enough to find him in Shinjuku. If she didn't understand the limitation, how she can keep herself calm until Lelouch tease her ?
( I really like when Lelouch start to share a fun moment with her )
I never really want to paint Lelouch in a good light.
Look at how he value others after what had he done to Shirley in S1, he clearly told C.C. and Kallen that he won't give up taking the path of carnage even after he learns about the consequences (at least, he's trying to spare Kallen from that fate--despite being his trump card, which make him more "human"). I can't really say Lelouch is a good guy after all. The same rules applied to Suzaku also.
I can't say that Lelouch kept secret from everyone is wrong.
Look at Lelouch itself, what'll happens if everyone know that he's an exiled Brittania Prince, especially when he leads an anti-Brittania resistance, including the fact that his only goal is to form a gentle world for his sister--a very selfish and childish thought.
The trade-off is Zero identity with their victory.
If there's something wrong.
What exactly wrong is what happens to OoBK itself.
After they learn about his identity, his Geass, and even his background, they never really tried to talk to him first.
They acted like they're already a winner after learns about their leaders secret and mistake.
Without even realizing how far they've got through if it's not because of him.
They didn't even think the consequences of throwing OoBK into a vacuum of power.
Look at Kallen, she asked first before trying to kill him in Babel Tower.
She's understand enough, if it's not because of him, they would'nt go that far.
And, it's granted. He answered her question because she convinced him enough to make sure he's able to take the responsibility for the better future.
Compare it to what happened during Turn 19 of R2.
Preparing spotlight, a camera to make sure everyone learns his death, a lot of machine guns, ignoring fact that Kallen is still there--used as a bait because they know he's concerned enough about her, and also the fact that they've traded him for Japan when his existence is needed by UFN, the largest scale of world's peace. Seems like they've no responsibilities about what'll happened later.
That's irrational, especially when you realized the one who motivated Ougi to take the coup d' etat is Viletta. It's not "I should accuse him from blackmailing my girlfriend." anymore, it's turned into "My girlfriend is a victim, everything he had done is must be wrong." Viletta playing a "I'm a victim" card, when Lelouch is actually the one who granted her wish to met Ougi and even save his life before getting executed by Guilford.
This is getting crazier during the final battle.
Ougi : "Look Zero, if we take this together, we can defeat you."
Seems like he only pleased by the fact that he's able to defeat Zero.
Todo : "The moment you accept the lead, that's the moment you accept the ideals"
If you're this smart, doesn't this mean the moment you accept Schniezel, is also the moment you legalize FLEIJA. WTH !
Xing-ke, he started with a praise "Just like Lelouch and Suzaku in one person."
But during the final battle, he's turned into a mindless lolicon who doesn't seem to care about FLEIJA being spammed through the entire battle. When it clearly showed that even Kallen is confused about that FLEIJA is being spammed.
He's also ignoring the fact that his side had a Damocles, Shen-hu, Mordred, Tristan Divider, Zangetsu, and even Guren SEITEN when Lelouch main power is just Shinkirou, Lancelot Albion, Lancelot Frontier, and Siegfried. He doesn't even think what is the circumstances that can really lead Lelouch, brave enough to launch his attacks frontally despite knowing how weak his firepower really is.
It's so broken.
I can't stand the ending because of those fact is still exists.
Especially with the fact that was Lelouch, Suzaku, and Kallen is actually those who really worked as their hardest to make sure the future is reachable. But, they received their good ending in the most cruel forms they could take.
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Besides, the Black Knights were way too passive aggressive about how they confronted Lelouch. Kallen gave him a chance, while the others went Kangaroo Court on him.
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When talking about the OotBK and the whole organization being insubordinate to the UFN, that doesn't hold true either. Ultimately their "lawful order" was take back Japan. Does the UFN care about the methods or the results though? One would think they care about the results. What does it matter (to the UFN) HOW they take it back so long as it is intact and not turned to dust. A TEMPORARY ceasefire (especially after what happened) doesn't automatically mean that they are giving up and can't take back Japan.
Also, how does a local ceasefire equate to laying down arms all over the globe? If it WAS all over the globe (which since Schneizel isn't in command of all Britannia's forces iirc it COULDN'T be) then it still wouldn't change the fact that the BK aren't tied to a nation. They have a contract to defend yes, and I bet if Britannia were to attack they would defend. A ceasefire doesn't mean you pull up shop and go home, you still have patrols and the like... you just don't shoot someone if you see him.
Plus if Britannia were to attack and break it wouldn't that paint them as villains? Don't you think that would be a GOOD for the UFN? How many countries who maybe were on the fence would come to the UFN then? The civil unrest would be pushed even higher as citizens wonder if their Government can be trusted.
If you think on it, the way it actually worked out they have a better chance to be left in peace. By giving Japan back Britannia opens the door for peace. Keep in mind they only really declared war because Japan was part of the UFN and it's homeland was "occupied" by Britannia. Once that was taken care of... well who knows for sure, but if there weren't other member states who were "occupied" then by them giving it back maybe the UFN and Britannia may not be able to live in peace as 2 super powers in the world? Well for a time at least...
How much do you want to bet that if he had just informed a few of the higher ups in the BK (like Todo and Ohgi) of Geass (and maybe his identity) that things would have turned out much differently. With Kallen backing him that their wills were their own, how much would have changed? Ohgi probably would have come clean about Villetta, then that whole mess could have been avoided somehow. Todo would have known about the reasons to attack the order, and there wouldn't have been that worm of doubt about "we can't trust Zero".
When Schneizel lands and plays that recording they woulda been all "yea? So what? We knew all about that already... now get outa here." (Note they couldn't have taken him hostage because of Anya with the F.L.E.I.J.A. warhead). I really think the biggest reason for the betrayal wasn't the Massacre Princess thing, but rather the fear and shock of learning about Geass.
I mean someone (I think Todo) was saying that if it was true (Zero having Geass) it would be a great and powerful weapon. THEN Schneizel goes all "if he only used it on enemies..." and THAT is when things get ugly. If they had known already and had already passed that hurdle of fear... if they hadn't right then thought about the worry that they weren't acting of their own free will and he was playing them all along... again, I bet things would have turned out much differently.
A small part may also have been that Lelouch still lead them into battle when he had been informed about F.L.E.I.J.A. being equipped on the Lancelot, but who would believe that until it was also fired. Even Suzaku was all like "you want to do WHAT now?" Once he fired it obviously people knew it was real, but that was the same time that he went bonkers from "losing" Nunnally. If everyone already knew of he went into that, then the seeds of doubt (besides having not been planted in the first place) wouldn't have sprouted like they did.
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One other thing: Ohgi only thought of the trade Zero for Japan thing only to absolve himself of any guilt over betraying their leader. And that quite possibly makes it even worse.
It's easy to say that Lelouch could have been more honest, but harder in reality. Remember how Kirihara insisted that his identity, for instance, be kept secret? Or how Tohdoh believes a leader in battle needs to keep certain things classified? While there are certain things Lelouch SHOULD have been more open about, he would have been hard pressed to explain Geass without everyone thinking he was crazy, or to begin freaking out when he began demonstrating it. The always trusting Euphie herself told him he was being silly. Now think how they might react to their leader talking about the supernatural.
Also, the problem with the information about FLEIJA was that Lelouch himself couldn't believe Suzaku after the perceived betrayal. It was the perfect setup by Schneizel and Kanon. (That, and hiding Nunnally from Lelouch so Lelouch would be that screwed up until the end, and later, that Nunnally would be used against him.)
Again, the Black Knights were too passive aggressive in their issues with their leader's secrecy.
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There were many points in the show that I loved, and loathed Lelouch as a person, but I allways admired what he did, especially his ability to make the best out of a bad situation,
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On Monday, the annual NFL owners meetings get underway in Orlando for a week dedicated to proposed rule changes to other league announcements.
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not rude, not wrong. at all. and if he does get the job, he could suggest that his friend apply for his current job (if that is appropriate).
Neighbor (and the brother from the OP) are not wrong for pursuing a job that someone else wants/needs. Even if that someone is a friend/family member. Basing employment decisions on who "needs" it is the sort of thinking that leads to women getting underpaid (or not hired at all) since they didn't 'need' to support a family. Not the direction I would want to see things go again.
OK so let me ask a question about a related issue then. I live in a very small town and this kind of stuff is common in places where everyone knows everyone. When my brother told me about his situation I immediately thought of this one from a few years ago.A neighbor applied for a job. She'd been a stay-at-home mom for a while, but her kids were back in school and she wanted to get back in the workforce. It was a part-time job but in the field where she'd worked before kids. A friend of hers, but not a close friend, also applied for the job, and they were told that they were the only two who applied. I think they were told that there was only one other applicant, not specifically who the other person was. Anyway, it was at a non-profit, so not many hours, not much pay, and therefore not many people were interested. The neighbor was far and away more qualified, maybe to the point of being overqualified since she'd worked full time in a similar but much more strenuous position and in a supervisory level before having kids, but the number of hours worked for her and she didn't need the money anyway. She just wanted to start working again. The friend really needed a job - her husband had been given a paycut and her family was trying to find a way to make up the difference, and they weren't having an easy time before the paycut. Does that change things, if one person is taking a job but doesn't really need a job? I know the friend as well. She's a closer friend to me than she is to my neighbor. She was really upset at my neighbor for applying and then not backing out when she found out the friend was applying.
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US media outlets such as Barrons are reporting a Canaccord Genuity analyst's note saying Dell could and should buy Brocade.
Brocade dominates the Fibre Channel storage networking business and has an Ethernet business courtesy of its Foundry acquisition. Dell – apart from its PCs, printers and services – also makes servers and storage. There is an increasing trend for system suppliers such as HP, IBM and Oracle to build converged IT stacks comprising storage, networking, servers and system software, inevitably hypervisor-based, as well as application middleware such as databases.
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Terrebonne Parish is one step closer to getting state approval of an ordinance that aims to revoke business owners' occupational licenses for selling synthetic drugs.
Terrebonne Parish is one step closer to getting state approval of an ordinance that aims to revoke business owners' occupational licenses for selling synthetic drugs.
The Parish Council voted to adopt the ordinance after Wednesday night's public hearing at the Government Tower in Houma. However, the ordinance will not be valid, or officially recognized, until it's approved by the state.
Although the ordinance is not yet official, it is a "much-needed start," said Councilman Greg Hood, a retired Houma Police officer.
Hood said he doesn't want enthusiasm for the law's passage to subside. It's better to have the ordinance ready so the law will immediately be enacted when the state approves it, he said.
The ordinance would grant the parish authority to revoke business owners' occupational licenses if they are caught selling designer drugs such as bath salts.
Council members said the measure is needed because even though federal and state laws make it illegal to sell or use synthetic drugs, manufacturers have evaded the law. They change the chemicals used, making their version of the bath salts legal and providing a loophole for stores to sell them.
A Houma woman, Alina Daigle, spoke at the meeting on behalf of her 16-year-old son, Austin Bourg, who she said went into cardiac arrest in front of her on Halloween night after using synthetic drugs.
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Bourg told the council after using the drug only once he fell face first to the ground. He said he asked his friends to call for help, but they refused. After his friends left him, he said he walked to his aunt's nearby house and called for help.
Sheriff Jerry Larpenter told the council there is a "serious problem in Terrebonne Parish" with synthetic drugs and urged the council to challenge any law that prevents it from banning business owners from selling the drugs.
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NORMAN, Okla. – The Sooners return to action, after a bye in the mid-week, in a 1:00 pm match at Baylor this Saturday.
1. About the Sooners
Oklahoma is 15-4 on the year and an even 3-2 in the Big 12 following last Saturday's win over Kansas State. Senior middle blocker Sallie McLaurin leads the way for the Sooner attack with 3.66 kills per set and a league-leading .445 hitting percentage. Sophomore outside hitter Kierra Holst is second on the team in both categories at 3.01 and .241. Sophomore libero Taylor Migliazzo leads the team with 3.84 digs per set, while senior outside hitter Keila Rodriguez has contributed on both sides of the ball with 3.41 digs and 2.27 kills per set.
2. Last Time They Met
Oklahoma secured its third straight victory in a four-set contest (25-21, 23-25, 25-23, 25-23) in Waco on November 7, 2012. Three Sooners combined to knock down double-digit kills, including Morgan Reynolds, Tara Dunn and McLaurin. Reynolds struck down a team-high 14 kills to go with six digs and two blocks. Adom notched 13 kills for the Bears and Kate Harris dished out 50 assists.
3. Approaching the top 10
McLaurin notched the 1,000th kill of her career with her third of the night in a 3-2 win over No. 25 BYU on September 7. In that match, she registered a then season-high 21 kills, to go with a .677 hitting percentage and eight blocks. McLaurin enters the match with 1,169. She is is just one back of tying Margaret Page (1983-87) for 10th all-time at 1,170.
4. Bouncing Back
In 2012, the Sooners were 8-2 when returning to the court after a loss, bouncing back in good form, all but twice. This season, Oklahoma has bounced back from its first four losses with 3-1 wins over Portland State, LIU Brooklyn and Kansas State and a 3-2 win over No. 25 Iowa State. The Sooners last lost back-to-back games on November 10 and 14, 2012 with 3-0 defeats to No. 20 Iowa State and No. 22 Kansas.
5. Set 'Em Up, Knock 'Em Down
Sophomore setter Julia Doyle set a program record for assists in a four-set match during the 25-point rally-scoring era with 53 against Kansas State on October 12. She surpassed Brianne Barker, who dished out 50 three times, last against Iowa State in 2010. Doyle's previous career-high was 50 in a five-set win over Arizona State in the 2012 NCAA First Round in Provo, Utah.
6. Hitter's High
Through 19 matches, McLaurin is hitting a career-best .445, besting her .357 attach rate from a year ago. She ranks first in the Big 12 and is three points ahead of Texas freshman Chiaka Ogbogu, who has only played 30 sets compared to McLaurin' s 70. The next closest player in the league with at least 50 sets played is Iowa State' Tenisha Matlock at .354; 91 points back of McLaurin. She also ranks eighth nationally, trailing Florida's Chloe Mann for first at an impressive .540.
7. All-Time vs. Baylor
The Sooners own the all-time series against the Bears, 33-15. Oklahoma has won eight of the last nine matches dating back to 2008, with Baylor's lone win during that stretch coming in 2011 in Norman. The Bears won the first two matches of the series in 1976 and 1977, but the Sooners then rattled off the series' longest winning streak of eight matches from 1979-89.


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Evander Holyfield: Being Gay Is A Choice & Gays Should Get Fixed
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Boxer Evander Holyfield's 23-year-old son, Ewin, is coming to his dad's defense following his father's controversial anti-gay comments that aired this weekend on the UK version of Celebrity Big Brother.
Ewin says, "My dad is the most loving and caring person you will ever meet. He treats everyone like a human being ... even if they are homosexual."
In fact, Ewin says he has a gay uncle ... and Evander treated him like a brother.
Ewin adds, "My dad feels that being gay is a choice ... and naturally that's how things work. You cannot procreate and make a baby with two women, or two men. But at the same time, my dad is not going to judge someone for their sexual orientation."
So he treats everyone like a human being...even if they're homosexual. Yeah. We understand the impulse to defend one's parent. But maybe don't...
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Providing further evidence that he may have taken one too many blows to the head, boxer Evander Holyfield explained why he believes being gay is a choice and compares homosexuality to a handicap that should be fixed during Sunday night's episode of UK Celebrity Big Brother.
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"What would be good about it? That ain't normal...It is a choice, come on...That ain't the way nobody is made."...."If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right."
I'm sure you get this a lot, but if you chose a nickname which ends in cunt why did you feel the need to be redundant by prefacing it with lemon? I'm pretty sure you don't need to clue anyone in, you're palpably sour. And yes, you are a whiny fag. Female Against Greatness. Don't worry, your opinion is about as invalid as you're trying to make others feel. I'll just let you go back to being a speck of worthlessness, soaking in your own misery and sub-par intelligence. If you're going to say something, you should probably give it some substance.
Agreed that we can't chastise him for having these beliefs if he respects us; i.e. passive belief that we "choose" this lifestyle vs. aggressively acting to fix each of us when confronted with our presence. However, this comment was made ON AIR on a television show. Granted, both Big Brother and Duck Dynasty are...for lack of better terminology, "reality," but it is different than speaking in a third-party interview which is unrelated to the show/production with which you happen to be involved. Since this show is obviously meant to be understood as non-scripted, it should be clear that his words don't reflect the opinions of the network by which it is aired.
I think the action taken was appropriate: he was allowed to speak his mind, it was not censored, and belaboring the point would be excessive. Thus, further comments of the sort may cause further action to be taken. Just a little more on this part of my comment though: I want equality for ALL. Yes, I'm gay. I am not, however, female or African-American, and yet I can't IMAGINE what it was like to fight in such movements as they did to be accepted in such a way as society does today. I still think that there is a lot that could be changed by society itself in making acceptance more of an expectation, but I'm not one of those who thinks "we" "fucked up" by "losing" (yes, I've heard it put that way) these movements. I feel the need to make that clear because I'm not speaking as a homosexual, provoked by anti-homosexual comments. I'm speaking as a human, provoked by anti-equality comments. While I make no judgement of race, and certainly acknowledge that he has many more qualities than the color of his skin, I am baffled by someone who is part of a group of people who themselves went through the exact same fight for freedom and equality as the members of the LGBTQ community..and to base it on religion doesn't make it any better; didn't those bigots of the days before "integration" quote misinterpretations of bible verses in their attempts to opress a race? It's all fine and good to overlook that much while reenacting history, giving your interpretations of a book (which I personally believe is nothing more than a series of semi-biographical semi-fictional vignettes) as justification for your ridiculous moral and ethical code.
I wish there was a better way to resolve these conflicts. When one's religion is the direct cause for the formation of these beliefs, it becomes unjustified for one to pose the point that "if you think I CHOSE to be gay, just TRY to choose to be gay like me for one whole day." They must know, deep down, that the choice isn't theirs to make, but since they're so damned convinced that divinity is behind the smallest facets of our being, the explanation or reasoning is that "of course it's not, it's God's choice." And somehow, when that statement is brought out it becomes a circle jerk if I reiterate that I didn't choose this life or sexual orientation. I have nothing against people who have a faith or differing religion from my own, but if one is going to make religious arguments against me, they can't have it both ways! Either we as beings ARE strong enough to make choices against those which were made by a deity for us, and "straight" people CAN choose to be gay, or we as beings ARE NOT strong enough to overpower a so chosen trait and thus "He" is the reason we are this way.
...End rant.
I think it's bizarre that the gays act like feeling the way Holyfield feels is absolutely left field idiotic thinking. Although we disagree with his opinions to belittle him for it is exactly what's happened to gays so its a double standard. Almost every spiritual cannon speaks of homosexuality being WRONG. These are the same cannons that formed or moral compasses. To an extent I respect that he strong enough to hold on to his own belief system. I don't agree that being gay is like having a deformed leg but the bible DOES lead one to believe that gays are FIXABLE. The gays act like there is no "evidence" to support Holyfield's belief system. He has a right to believe what he believes. As long as he is respectful TO gays. This is the same thing that happened with Phil on that duck show. To respect gays a person doesn't have to march in the pride parade or go to your wedding. You just have to be respected to live you life the way you want.
Whether they are good people or not, to say such things that are false and ignorant about gays like myself, shows just how many more uneducated and simpleminded people are out there and choose to talk about things they don't know rather than things they do. Why so we need to be there hot topic of conversation. Have they heard ignorance is bliss!! Lol