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T O P I C R E V I E WsdevlinMy husband worked out at KSC for 45 years prior to his stroke in 2008. He saved many local newspapers with space related historical events on the front page. He also has patches, pictures and various other spaccce related items. Right now we are interested in knowing if the Today newspapers, from Apollo events (including Apollo 13, to Shuttle launches, are worth anything. Thank you.garyd2831They are worth something, but in actual dollar value that is a little hard to tell. I collect newspapers and have several of them, but have never paid a lot for any of them. I just sent to my frame shop a really nice and near mint New York Times to have the front page framed and the rest laminated for reading purposes.Patches will depend on their manufacturer.Go4LaunchThe main "problem" with newspapers gaining value is that so many of them were printed. You can buy a newspaper on Lincoln's assassination, for example, quite cheaply. Also, with a high acid content in newsprint, they will eventually crumble.That said, however, the TODAY newspapers from Apollo are terrific in terms of capturing the feel of the era and thus may command a little bit of a premium among certain space heads! garyd2831As for preserving such great historic moments, when framing the paper, you have it lightly sprayed with a d-acidic to reduce the deteriorating factors of the papers composition. That is what my frame shop does for me as they are currently framing two historic space event newspapers.GonzoIn the meantime, assuming they are loose, keep them flat sandwiched between sheets of acid-free/archival paper. Also, out of the sun and in a controlled environment (~65-70F constant temp and 50-70% humidity). In your house (assuming A/C and heat where needed), is usually fine as long as the other factors are considered.
Patches will depend on their manufacturer.
That said, however, the TODAY newspapers from Apollo are terrific in terms of capturing the feel of the era and thus may command a little bit of a premium among certain space heads!
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Self-Propelled Mowers - Operation Tips
- Stop the blade when crossing gravel drives, walks or roads.
- If the equipment should start to vibrate abnormally, stop the engine and check immediately for the cause. Vibration is generally a warning of trouble.
- Slope Operation - Slopes are a major factor related to slip and fall accidents, which can result in severe injury. Operation on slopes requires extra caution. If the slope is greater than 15 degrees, do not mow it.
- Do:
- Mow across the face of slopes: never up and down. Exercise extreme caution when changing direction on slopes.
- Watch for holes, ruts, rocks, hidden objects or bumps which can cause you to slip and trip.
- Always be sure of your footing. If you feel you are losing your balance, release the blade control handle immediately and the blade will stop rotating within 3 seconds.
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- Mow near drop-offs, ditches or embankments.
- Mow slopes greater than 15 degrees.
- Mow wet grass. Unstable footing could cause slipping.
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I'd be happy to give you some free space on one of our servers if you want!
I'd be happy to give you some free space on one of our servers if you want!
Oh and as for saying bad things about ext.nd...don't worry about it. Rich and I have deserved it. We had big plans in 2009 and we let you all down. We have even debated whether or not the domino community would even care about Ext.nd now that they have xpages and dojo. We felt that we missed the boat on our offering. But, we have decided to try again. So stay tuned for hopefully some good anouncements :)
But, we have decided to try again. So stay tuned for hopefully some good anouncements
Hey, we don't believe you ! :D
... but if something happens, I'll invite you for a hot coffee here in... Reunion Island ~o)
the number of replies/votes to this thread has nothing to do with the extent to which ext.nd is being used. for people to reply/vote they would have to know about it or come across it by accident like I did.
I am sure there are many people out there using the product and not knowing that this is here.
ext.nd is fatastic! I would love to be using an updated version of it.
Jack, please do the update. It would be greatly appreciated!
YES!We like to have an Ext Js 4 for Domino!We are now deciding to go for xpages or for Ext Js.... (or both)Kind regards,:)
We are actually working on ExtJS 5 support as well. Our github repo has an 3.x and 4.x branch now (so you can use ExtJS 4.1+ with Extnd now if you want) and I'll be pushing up a 5.x branch early next year to support ExtJS 5+.
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YSPH Career Paths: Class of 2017
Business & Industry 19%
Further Education 22%
Government/Public Sector 11%
Hospital/Medical Center 17%
NGO/Non Profit 7%
Consulting 14%
Hospital-based Research 9%
Policy Institute/Think Tank 2%
Lives in Public Health
Lives in Public Health (Alumni)
Ursula E. Bauer, M.P.H., Ph.D. '95
Atlanta, Ga.
Director, National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Ursula (pictured here) leads CDC's portfolio of programs to prevent chronic disease and promote health. She recently traveled to Pine Ridge, S.D., to address health issues among Native Americans on the Pine Ridge Reservation, home to the Oglala Sioux, and stopped at this burial site that contains 146 people killed during the Wounded Knee Massacre in 1890.
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Gregory Belok, D.D.S., M.P.H. '74
Teaneck, N.J.
As a participant in Dental Volunteers for Israel, Gregory and his associates have provided dental treatment to needy children and adults and clinic management in Jerusalem and on Kibbutz Hanaton, in northern Israel near Nazareth. When not in Israel, he uses his dental administrative and clinical skills to manage a multispecialty group dental practice with sites in New York City, New Jersey, Connecticut and London.
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Zinzi Nandi Segura Blell, R.N., M.P.H. '09
Galveston, Texas
Doctoral student, University of Texas; NASA principal investigator team member
Zinzi's current research focuses on vaccine development for a virus recognized by the World Health Organization as a priority pathogen with potential for malicious use as a weapon. Her work with NASA sought the use of a microgravity environment as a novel platform in the study on the prevention of diseases on earth and in space flight.
Photo credit: Rolf Konig
Patrick R. Byam, M.P.H. '08
New Haven, Conn.
Research associate, Yale University
Patrick works with the Yale Global Health Leadership Institute and its partners to improve the delivery of primary health care in rural areas of Ethiopia. The country, with some 80 million people, has made notable strides despite a lack of resources and widespread poverty. Here, churchgoers take a much-needed rest while hiking up Mount Entoto in Addis Ababa.
Photo credit: Patrick Byam
Thomas W. Chapman, M.P.H. '71, Ed.D.
Bethesda, Md.
President and CEO, HSC Foundation
Thomas (right) leads a system of care for infants through to young adults with severe, multiple chronic illnesses, most of whom are physically and/or behaviorally impacted by their illnesses. His organization also operates a new National Youth Transitions Center and National Veterans Center for young adults who need support to achieve independence and work readiness.
Photo credit: Cecil Doggette
Katrina Clark, M.P.H. '71
New Haven, Conn.
Executive director, Fair Haven Community Health Center
As the executive director of the Fair Haven Community Health Center, Katrina (right) says that the reward of being a health care administrator is realizing that the grants, analyses and health care programs and services that are brought to fruition all contribute to making health care accessible to the residents of an inner city community and to reducing health care disparities. Founded in 1971, the center provides comprehensive health care—from prenatal to pediatric, adolescent to adult and geriatric—to the greater Fair Haven community.
Photo credit: Lisa Wilder
Elizabeth B. Claus, Ph.D. '88, M.D. '94
New Haven, Connecticut
Professor of biostatistics, director of medical research, Yale School of Public Health
Attending neurosurgeon, Brigham and Women's Hospital
An intracranial meningioma pushes against the soft tissue of the brain. Elizabeth leads a research team that is studying the environmental and genetic risk factors for meningioma, glioma and breast tumors. She is also a practicing neurosurgeon, with a focus on neuro-oncology.
Jacob Creswell, M.P.H. '00
Geneva, Switzerland
Technical Officer, World Health Organization
Jacob works on the TB REACH initiative that provides funding for projects that attempt to improve tuberculosis case detection and treatment across the globe. This urban slum in Karachi, Pakistan, is the site of such work. TB, Jacob notes, is largely a disease of the poor; is transmitted easily when people live in cramped, tight quarters; and develops in people who have poor immune systems and in those who are undernourished and have weakened immune systems.
Photo Credit: Aamir Khan
Martha G. Dale, M.P.H. '80
New Haven, Conn.
Program director, Yale Global Health Leadership Institute
Martha (left) designs and conducts leadership, health policy and business education programs for senior health care managers and public health administrators in China. She also works with visiting delegations of health care professionals from Africa who travel to Yale each year to devise solutions to specific health care issues in their home countries.
Photo credit: Carl Kaufman
Richard D'Aquila, M.P.H. '79
Westbrook, Conn.
President and COO, Yale-New Haven Hospital
As president and COO of Yale-New Haven Hospital, Richard's main responsibility is to ensure that patients in greater New Haven and beyond have access to exceptional clinical programs, cutting-edge technology and an exemplary patient experience that is grounded in dignity and respect. Here, Richard (left) visits with a patient.
Photo credit: Carl Kaufman
Sarah J. Dash, M.P.H. '01
Silver Spring, Md.
Senior legislative assistant (health), Office of U.S. Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV
Sarah confers with Sen. Rockefeller, D-W.Va., as they wait for the tram to take them to the U.S. Capitol. Legislative assistants serve as subject matter and strategy experts for members of Congress. Public health has been in the forefront on Capitol Hill during much of 2012, with the Affordable Care Act being an unprecedented national investment in health care.
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Linda C. Degutis, M.S.N. '82, Dr.P.H. '94
Atlanta, Ga.
Director, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
During a recent trip to New Delhi, India, Linda helped to dedicate a new school of public health for traffic safety and visited hospitals to develop trauma and injury surveillance systems. She works to prevent injury and violence, leading causes of death and disability in the United States and throughout the world.
Photo credit: Linda Degutis
Dana M. Faulkner, M.P.H. '95
Chevy Chase, Md.
CEO, Friends of the National Arboretum
Dana's work as CEO of the Friends of the National Arboretum allows her to expand access to, and support for, a national environmental treasure—446 acres of gardens and green space in the heart of the nation's capital. Here, a young girl learns the basics and experiences the pleasures of gardening in a plot at the Arboretum.
Photo credit: Friends of the National Arboretum
Mario Garcia, M.D., M.Sc., M.P.H. '02
New Haven, Conn.
Director of Health, New Haven Health Department
Mario gives a presentation in 2012 to the New Haven Board of Aldermen about the dangers of exposure to secondhand smoke and also to promote the notion of a nonsmoking rule for all rental units within the city. Such a policy, he notes, would reduce exposure to secondhand smoke for a large segment of the city's population. As the director of the city's health department, Mario oversees—and advocates—for a variety of measures to protect and promote the health of some 130,000 people.
Photo Credit: Lisa Wilder
Shelley D. Geballe, J.D. '76, M.P.H. '95
Branford, Conn.
Distinguished Senior Fellow and co-founding president, CT Voices for Children in New Haven, and lecturer, Yale School of Public Health and Yale Law School
Throughout her 30-plus year career, Shelley has worked at the intersection of law and health—as a civil rights lawyer in health-related litigation; as founding president of CT Voices for Children, as a research and advocacy organization that promotes law and policy that foster healthy child development; and, now, as a teacher of Yale students interested in a similar path.
Photo credit: Lisa Wilder
Yvette A. Girard, M.P.H. '02, Ph.D.
Sacramento, Calif.
Postdoctoral scholar, Wildlife Health Center, University of California, Davis
Working as a molecular epidemiologist, Yvette uses laboratory, statistical and phylogenetic tools to understand the ecology and evolution of emerging infectious diseases such as avian trichomonosis, Lyme borreliosis, toxoplasmosis and avian influenza in human and wildlife populations. Here, she prepares to take a sample from a bird.
Photo credit: Krysta Rogers
Zimra J. Gordon-Danzer, D.V.M., M.P.H. '02,
Stamford, Conn.
Associate veterinarian, VCA Davis Animal Hospital; Yale Human Animal Medicine Project
As a veterinarian who practices preventative medicine and manages acute and chronic disease, Zimra (left) assesses not only the pet, but also its owner, during treatment. When developing a treatment plan, she takes into consideration whether the owner has any physical, mental, environmental or social constraints and what personal, family, hospital and community resources she can use to optimize the well-being of the pet and its human family.
Photo credit: Marilyn Shapiro-Lowell
Maya L. Hanna, M.S., M.P.H. '07
Cambridge, Mass.
Statistician Manager, Pfizer Worldwide Research and Development
As a statistician supporting Pfizer's Cardiovascular and Metabolic Diseases Research Unit, Maya ensures that preclinical assays produce quality results through rigorous statistical validation and offers innovative approaches to study design. The assays target metabolic pathways for type 2 diabetes and are used to select novel compounds that have the potential for further evaluation.
Credit: Jean-Luc Van Tran
Ginger Hanrahan, M.P.H. '91, M.F.A. '07
Bethel, Conn.
Visual artist with concentrations in painting and fiber art
Through art, Ginger seeks to emphasize the concerns and plight of forgotten aspects of society and the environment. She mixes personal and cultural themes into certain paintings that address social inequality, psychological issues and spirituality. Art, she says, gives her the opportunity to continuously ask the question, "What is public health?" This painting is titled We Live Among You and We Won't Let You Forget.
Image credit: Ginger Hanrahan
Unni K. Karunakara, M.P.H. '95, Dr.P.H.
Geneva, Switzerland
International president, Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders)
Unni screens a child for malnutrition in a displaced persons camp in Mogadishu, Somalia, on August 20, 2011. MSF is an independent, international, medical humanitarian organization that delivers assistance to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural disasters and exclusion from health care.
Photo credit: Médecins Sans Frontières
Joan Louise Kenney, M.P.H. '03, Ph.D.
Fort Collins, Colo.
Postdoctoral fellow, American Society of Microbiology/Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Joan's research seeks to understand the evolutionary fitness of enzootic alphaviruses within their insect vectors in order to determine the potential of these viruses to cause human disease and to illustrate the need for vaccine development. She is currently working to identify novel vaccine strategies for various arboviruses. Here, a microscopy image shows a mosquito midgut coexposed to two types of virus particles that individually express green and red fluorescent protein.
Photo Credit: Joan L. Kenney and Leoncio Vergara
Ariane A. Kirtley, M.P.H. '04
Bellgarde-en-Forez, France
Founder and director, Amman Imman: Water Is Life
Ariane is the founder and director of the international NGO Amman Imman: Water Is Life. Amman Imman builds clean and sustainable water sources; provides food security; and supports educational, environmental and health initiatives among some of the world's most vulnerable populations. It is currently operating in the Azawak region of Niger, where 50 percent of children die before their fifth birthday and where most people travel over 35 miles to obtain just a few gallons of mud water to drink, cook and bathe with. Here, a little girl is giving her baby brother the first potable drink of water he has ever had from Amman Imman's "Well of Love" borehole, built in 2010 and financed by Montessori students across the world.
Photo credit: Ariane Kirtley
Brian P. Leaderer, M.P.H. '71, Ph.D. '75
Guilford, Conn.
Susan Dwight Bliss Professor of Epidemiology (Environmental Health) and Deputy Dean, Yale School of Public Health
Brian's research interests focus on assessing exposures to air contaminants and the health impact resulting from those exposures in epidemiological studies conducted in at-risk populations in the United States and China. This picture was taken in Shanghai, China, during a visit to study sites.
Photo credit: Brian Leaderer
Kai-Lih Liu, M.P.H., Ph.D. '96
Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Associate director, Strategic Information Unit, FHI 360
Kai-Lih heads the Strategic Information Unit for monitoring and evaluation, surveillance and research activities in HIV, tuberculosis and malaria at FHI 360. His work entails collaborations with UNAIDS, the World Health Organization, UNICEF and various government agencies. Here, one of the employees records field data on a laptop in a rural region of the country.
Photo credit: Kai-Lih Liu
Lawrence V. Meagher Jr., M.P.H. '76
Sao Paulo, Brazil
Executive director and CEO, Hospital Santa Catarina
In September, Larry became executive director and CEO of Hospital Santa Catarina, a 327-bed general acute care hospital located on one of South America's most recognized streets, the Avenida Paulista. The hospital has 88 ICU beds, including 15 in the neonatal unit. Its emergency room averages between 500 and 600 patients each day, about a third of whom are pediatric.
Photo credit: Courtesy of Hospital Santa Catarina
Susan Michaels-Strasser, M.P.H. '95, M.S.N. '95, Ph.D.
Lusaka, Zambia
Country director, Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation in Zambia
Susan directs a variety of programs related to HIV prevention, care and treatment, with funding from the U.S. government/PEPFAR, UNICEF and the Conrad N. Hilton Foundation. She also does research on a variety of related areas, including HIV service integration and pediatric counseling. Here, she is with Kenneth Kaunda, Zambia's first president.
Joanne S. Mosca, M.P.H. '89
Bedford, N.Y.
Recording artist, singer, songwriter, Dolce Diva Music
As a singer/songwriter as well as president of her own independent record label, Joanne (who goes by the stage name "Joanna") says that the business skills that she acquired as a health care administration major are invaluable to her as she markets, promotes and distributes her product: music.
Photo credit: Mark Mann
Jewel M. Mullen, M.D., M.P.H. '96
Middlefield, Conn.
Commissioner, Connecticut Department of Public Health
Jewel (left) oversees the state's leading public health agency, whose mission is to protect and promote the health and safety of Connecticut residents. Here, she prepares for a health-related interview on a Connecticut television news station. She oversees an agency that employs more than 800 people, has an annual budget of more than $250 million and addresses health issues as diverse as asthma and seafood safety.
Photo Credit: William Gerrish
Vandine Or, M.D., M.P.H. '96
Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Director, Department of International Cooperation, Ministry of Health of Cambodia
Vandine (left, top; right, bottom) has served in the Ministry of Health of Cambodia in various capacities since its founding, after the demise of the Khmer Rouge. Her work has included providing immunizations to children in still-dangerous areas of the country, pediatric and adult medical care (including for injuries from land mines), surveillance of communicable diseases and health information system reform. In 1994, she became the first Cambodian woman to be awarded a Fulbright Scholarship to study at Yale. Cambodia, she notes, is becoming increasingly modern, as a new generation of young professionals learn the skills of medicine, management and public health.
Photo credit: Tip Sophearith
Edith M. Pestana, M.P.H. '93
Hartford, Conn.
Administrator, Environmental Justice Program, Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection
Children play—and live—close to industry and pollution at site in Connecticut. As administrator of the state's Environmental Justice Program, Edith monitors this site and others to address the environmental inequities that are often present in lower-socioeconomic and minority communities. The agency's mission is to ensure that all residents receive equal protection under environmental and public health law and have equal access to the state's natural resources.
Photo credit: Lisa Wilder
Rock G. Positano, D.P.M., M.Sc., M.P.H. '89
New York, N.Y.
Director, Non-surgical Foot and Ankle Service and the Joe DiMaggio Sports Medicine Foot and Ankle Center
Rock consults with a patient at the Non-surgical Foot and Ankle Service. The center is dedicated to evaluating the majority of foot, ankle and musculoskeletal problems that often can be treated suc¬cessfully without surgery. Located at Hospital for Special Surgery, the service is the first of its kind in the greater New York area and is widely known for its unique approach.
Photo Credit: Brad Hess
Atulya K. Saxena, M.P.H. '01, M.D.
Oxford, England
Doctor of philosophy candidate, Department of Public Health, University of Oxford
Atulya focuses on globalization and the aging population. He has worked on projects studying aging workforces, infectious and non-communicable diseases and health promotion. His current research examines informal care, identity and the relationships between media and health. Here, in a community outside Jaisalmer, India, Atulya examines the impact of globalization on identity and its consequences for health behavior.
Photo credit: Peter Hudston
Elisabeth Schauer-Kaiser, Ph.D., M.A./M.P.H. '96
Konstanz, Germany
Director, Vivo International
At a school just outside Kabul, Afghanistan, Elisabeth provides psychodiagnostic screening to all of the resident schoolchildren. Her work at Vivo, an international nongovernmental organization, focuses on research, prevention and therapy for individuals and communities who experience violence, conflict, abuse, neglect or torture.
Photo credit: Claudia Catani
Karen M. Schmidt, M.P.H. '00
Dakar, Senegal
Earth Institute at Columbia University/Global Health and Development
The Earth Institute seeks to improve health and reduce poverty in sub-Saharan Africa. From 2003 to 2011, Karen focused on strengthening health systems in rural Rwanda, and in 2012 she began work with the Earth Institute's Millennium Development Goals Centre in Dakar. Here, a farmer in the Millennium Village in Mayange, Rwanda, was provided with improved, fast-maturing mango tree seedlings. Two years later, the trees are bearing large, healthy fruit. Even though the tree is still very small, the mangoes are so big that he has to prop up the branches.
Photo credit: Karen Schmidt
Nirav R. Shah, M.D. '98, M.P.H. '98
Albany, N.Y.
Commissioner, Department of Health New York State
Surrounded by family, Nirav is sworn in by Gov. Andrew Cuomo as the 15th New York State Commissioner of Health on January 24, 2011. He heads one of the nation's leading public health agencies, with a budget of more than $50 billion, and administers the state's public health insurance programs, which cover 5 million New Yorkers. As commissioner, Nirav also oversees public health and prevention initiatives, regulation of hospitals and other health care facilities and the research program in a premier biomedical laboratory.
Photo credit: Judy Sanders
Duncan S.-R. Maru, Ph.D. '09, M.D. '09
Boston, Mass.
Co-founder, Nyaya Health in western Nepal
A woman receiving treatment at Nyaya Health beams with joy. Founded by Duncan and several other Yale students, the clinic seeks to improve the health of poor communities in Nepal by providing a range of medical and public health services in an area of the country that had previously offered little of either. Nyaya, which in Nepali means justice, partnered with the Ministry of Health and opened a primary care center in an isolated district in 2008.
Photo Credit: Nyaya Health
Eric Triffin, M.P.H. '86
Bethany, Conn.
Health activist, adjunct public health professor, retired director of public health, West Haven, Conn.
Dressing as Snappy the Peas/Peace Pod or, alternatively, as Mr. Carrot, Eric seeks to "infect" people with good eating habits, such as carrots and peas! He is also known as TaDaah the TranscenDancer and inspires people to dance with joy.
Photo credit: Harold Shapiro
Irene Trowell-Harris, R.N., M.P.H. '73, Ed.D.
Arlington, Va.
Director, Center for Women Veterans
Irene is the primary adviser to the Secretary of Veterans Affairs on programs, policies and legislation related to women veterans. She promotes public health through policy and legislation that enhance healthy lifestyles of women veterans and their eligible family members through health care services and benefits such as GI Bill education, homeless and caregiver support, home loan guaranty, employment and vocational rehabilitation. Irene joined the service as a young woman in the 1960s (inset) and, in 1998, became the first African-American woman in the history of the National Guard to be promoted to the rank of general officer. She retired in 2001 as a major general.
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Huskies to Play for National Title after 89-78 Win over Northwest Missouri
By Jennifer Donovan | Published
Michigan Tech will play for the NCAA Division II Women's Basketball National Championship on Friday, March 25, in St. Joseph, Mo.
The No. 3 Huskies defeated a very tough Northwest Missouri State team 89-78 in the national semifinals Wednesday night behind a brilliant performance from sophomore point guard Sam Hoyt, who tallied team highs of 23 points and seven assists. The Huskies (31-2) were outscored 42-18 in the paint, but cashed in on 28-of-31 free throws and 9-of-19 3-pointers in the game for their 18th consecutive victory.
"We made big shots tonight," said head coach Kim Cameron, who became the first skipper in school history to guide a Tech team to the national title game. "We had a hard time defending their post players, but our offense came through."
Michigan Tech led by six at halftime, but the Bearcats clawed back to tie the game at 41 with 14:20 to play. Hoyt scored 10 of the team's next 13 points over the following four minutes including all three free throws after being fouled from the left wing. The three foul shots put Tech up for good, but it was far from over.
Northwest cut the margin to 54-53 less than a minute later, then had two more shots to take the lead. Tech's defense held strong, then Lucy Dernovsek made a layup and Angela Guisfredi buried a 3-pointer on her first shot attempt of the game to spread the gap to 59-53.
Gentry Dietz kept the Bearcats in the game with 29 second half points-most coming in the paint or at the foul line. She also kept the decidedly pro-Northwest crowd (Northwest Missouri State's campus is just more than 40 miles from St. Joseph) in a frenzy.
The biggest shot of the game perhaps came off the hand of freshman Kate Glodowski, who swished a 3-pointer from the left corner for a 64-57 lead with 5:54 remaining. The shot quieted the Bearcat's portion of the crowd of 1,956, and the Huskies built on the advantage. Guisfredi's second 3-pointer of the night pushed the margin to 10. Hoyt's jumper at 3:32 remaining kept the lead at 10. Hers would be the last field goal for the Huskies, who went 16-of-18 at the line in the final 2:33 to close out the win.
"Sam decided to take over the game and there was nothing that was going to stop her," said Cameron. "Their crowd got into it, and we made the plays to stop their momentum.
"Kate's got ice in her veins, because that was a huge shot for us at that point."
Hoyt handled multiple defenses from Northwest Missouri with just three turnovers. Her night overshadowed excellent performances from both Lisa Staehlin (20 points) and Dernovsek (17 points and 11 rebounds).
Staehlin went just 4-of-9 from the field working against a stout 6-4 Bearcat center Kyla Roehrig. The Huskies' post player cashed in on all 12 of her free throws and had six rebounds and three steals.
Dernovsek bounced back from a cold shooting performance in the quarterfinal against Arkansas Tech to make 4-of-7 from beyond the arc.
Lindsey Lindstrom added 12 points for Tech.
Northwest Missouri scored 78 points on 44 percent shooting but didn't have a 3-pointer in the game. The Bearcats went 24-of-31 at the foul line and held a 38-31 rebounding advantage. Dietz finished with a game-high 33 points.
Michigan Tech shot 48 percent from the floor including 47 percent from long range.
Tech will make its first-ever appearance in the national title game on Friday (Mar. 25). The Huskies will face No. 2-ranked Clayton State, which defeated Shaw 63-46 in the other semifinal. The NCAA Division II Women's Basketball National Championship game is scheduled to tip off a 8 p.m. ET/7 p.m. CT and will be shown live on ESPN2.
Michigan Tech is organizing a fan bus to St. Joseph for the title game. The deadline to make reservations is Thursday (Mar. 24) at 4 p.m. Contact Steve Nordstrom (firstname.lastname@example.com or 906-487-3071) for details.
Note: Michigan Tech's 31 wins ties a school record. The school's previous deepest run in the NCAA Tournament was in 1993, when the Huskies lost in the national semifinal after winning the third-place game.
Michigan Technological University is a public research university, home to more than 7,000 students from 60 countries. Founded in 1885, the University offers more than 120 undergraduate and graduate degree programs in science and technology, engineering, forestry, business and economics, health professions, humanities, mathematics, and social sciences. Our campus in Michigan's Upper Peninsula overlooks the Keweenaw Waterway and is just a few miles from Lake Superior.


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Analyzing Assemblies with Reflectorby James Avery, Jim Holmes
You'll often need to understand how a class, method, or entire assembly fits into your overall system. Maybe you're reliant upon a third-party library and you're not sure exactly what it depends on. Perhaps a legacy chunk of your own code wasn't as well documented as you'd like, so you're not sure what features of the API you can use. You're left with an unclear picture of how parts of your system interact with each other and the capabilities offered—never a good situation.
Lutz Roeder's Reflector can help clear up situations like this. Reflector lets you explore any .NET assembly to find its dependencies and callers, or dive down and explore an entire assembly. Additionally, you can use tools within Reflector to decompile an assembly to see how the code was written.
Reflector at a Glance
|Version covered
|Home page
|Power Tools page
|A great tool for exploring APIs in an assembly and learning more about how that assembly is used
|License type
|Online resources
|Bug tracker, message board
|Supported frameworks
|.NET 1.0, 1.1, 2.0;Compact Framework (CF) 1.0, 2.0
|Related tools in this book
|ILDASM, DILE, Reflector.Diff, Peli's Reflector Addins
Getting Started
The Reflector download is a simple .zip containing a Readme file and the actual executable. Drop the executable in a convenient folder and fire it up. (Reflector runs just fine under a non-Administrator account.) Reflector works with all versions of the full and compact .NET Frameworks. The first time you start Reflector, you'll be prompted to select which version you want loaded (Figure 1).
Figure 1. Selecting the initial set of assemblies
Using Reflector
After you've selected which Framework to load, Reflector will populate its display with the applicable assemblies. At this point, you're ready to open the assemblies you want to examine.
Load additional assemblies by dragging them onto Reflector or via the File→Open menu command. Reflector's main pane provides a tree-based display for browsing loaded assemblies. A separate pane opens up on the right when you're using additional features, such as when viewing documentation, analysis information, or an assembly's source code.
Browsing Assemblies
Expanding and browsing through an assembly shows you all the information about that assembly, such as its references, contained namespaces, and physical location. You can look through each class and see not only public or internal-scoped items, but private members as well.
The "-" node shows some rather obscure internals. Here you'll find a few hidden details about classes, such as types automatically generated by the C# compiler, C++ global methods in the Module node, and various bits of versioning information plopped in by the CLR. None of this is commonly usable, but it's there. You can most likely use the knowledge to win CLR and assembly trivia games at parties.
Figure 2 shows the Documentation window, accessed by pressing F1 or selecting View→Documentation, displaying comments on the CodeExporter class of the System.Xml.Serialization namespace.
Figure 2. Browsing the System.Xml namespace
Documentation is available only if you've first created comments using the summary elements for classes, methods, properties, and so on. You'll also need to create the XML comments file by checking the "XML documentation file" option in the Output section of the Build tab in the Project Properties window.
Links in documentation from elements such as
seealso will show up as hyperlinks, enabling you to quickly move between related classes, as long as the developers have helped you out with good documentation!
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I didn't even think twice about buying Portal 2 earlier this week, and it was worth every penny.
This is like the movie industry being worried about television - they are two different products, loosely related to each other.
I did think twice.
So I downloaded the portal I demo (free), and then bought Portal I (full). Cost me Euro 8 and I am enjoying it.
I don't have to think very much things priced under Euro 10 -- but something like Portal II at Euro 50
I can afford it, but why waste the money?
I most likely wait for another 1-2 years and then buy it at a discount.
Your $60 game should be incomparable to a $1 game, in terms of both gameplay and technology. If it's not, you are Doing It Wrong.
I think that's what they meant when they said "a $60 game that's really worth it".
Heh... They're a fine one to be commenting on that subject. All I need do is point to Unreal Tournament III... After that, any $60 title from them is a hard sell.
Indeed. If you're worried about trying to convince people that your $60 title is "worth it" against the $1 backdrop- you''re Doing It Wrong. If you can't people sigining off on the price, it's OVERPRICED out of the gate- and it matters little what the "why" it is happens to be. Either make it really worth the money in question or lower your costs, etc. so it can be worth $30 or something comparably cheaper. You're not going to get that rapacious rate out of most people for much longer. They can't affor
I can't imagine any game being worth $60 at all. They all tend to come down in price after a few months and then you know what is crap and what is gold. Plus on the console Used games rock. I do very rarely buy new games but it really is rare. That is just me but I can not speak for other peoples proprieties.
Most of these get deleted after 5 minutes (and in the case of the first item, within 30 seconds). Games like Street Fighter IV are completely unplayable on a touchscreen. I don't think Epic really has anything to worry about.
I think that the quality of the entertainment is a measure too though. I may be able to kill a couple hours with a stupid $1 app store game, but it isn't something I'll look forward to or remember or probably ever want to come back and play again. It's just something to kill time that I would otherwise be bored. Major game titles on the other hand, I look forward to for months (on some titles), truly enjoy playing and would actively take time to play and will likely come back and play multiple times in t
Isn't this the same as asking whether short scruffy videos on You Tube are going to usurp Blockbuster films? I think the only threat would be if smart phone games could be developed so that the game arena was the real world and the phone was some mission interface. That would be neat - best it isn't a FPS though...
I think the only threat would be if smart phone games could be developed so that the game arena was the real world and the phone was some mission interface. That would be neat - best it isn't a FPS though...
Too late. It's already happening on the West Side of Chicago. The saddest part is the real world FPS going on there is most popular with a demographic that skews to the 11-17 year-old range. By 18, there's a good chance you're in jail or dead.
But for every person like you, there are lots like me who only want to play Angry Birds for a few minutes a couple of times a week. Honestly, I've spent more on phone games in the past year than I have on PC or console (PS3 and Wii) titles and frankly I've been disappointed with purchases on all the platforms. The difference is that when I buy a crappy phone game, I'm only out a few dollars. When I buy a crappy PS3 game (like I did twice last year - GT5 and ModNation Racers), I'm out $60 each time.
Well, EA is the monster it is for a reason.
People keep buying Fifa Y+1, Madden Y+1, NHL Y+1, etc, etc, etc, every year. For $60
While (semi-)independent game developers struggle.
They claim those games are expensive because of the rights fees.
Guess what, the same game without the NFL branding and fake teams and names on generic faces IS JUST AS FUN. you dont have to pay a bunch of prima donna babies for the right to their "branding".
If the game is a great football simulation, real gamers will buy it.
I personally dont know, those games have a -100 interest to me. IF I can run up and punch an opposing team player for grandstanding, or pick off a spectator's head in the stands with t
Yeah, they're not expensive because of licensing, 'sports games' are on average the same price as 'non-license' games.
But of course, if EA sold "NFL 2012" and "Generic Football 2012" being $5 cheaper, same engine but with no real names, NFL would probably still outsell by a large margin.
Nice in theory but totally invalidated by actual activity in the industry. I once worked at a small company that made a licensed sports game for a few years: company made big bucks. Then the license expired and EA bought it up. Company I'd been at tried to sell the exact same game (with improvements) unlicensed. After a few years it was out-of-business.
Right now, I couldn't name a single unlicensed sports game of any success level at all. (I've been out of the industry for some years, so my knowledge base i
The Multi-Player experience is what provides the gaming console experience with value and makes it "sticky." A player buys the latest $60 game because the people he hangs with online -- his guild, his clan, platoon, his whatever -- are buying it and want to "move on" to the next shared experience. It's a proposition that works for the developer, the online service, and the player.
But the solo-only game? I have not purchased a solo-only game at full price, within the first months of its launch, since the
It still boggles my mind that so many game developers pay so much attention to "story." It is like the producer of an opera worrying himself over whether his cast looks athletic enough.
Now, I'm sure there may be some people who refuse to buy an opera ticket because the performers aren't good-looking, just as I'm sure there may be some game players who fret over whether their new game will have a good "plot," but it is madness for the producers of either form of entertainment to be concerned about these con
I am looking forward to games like The Witcher 2, Elder Scrolls Skyrim, and other single player games.
You ain't alone there, mate!
The Multi-Player experience is what provides the gaming console experience with value and makes it "sticky." A player buys the latest $60 game because the people he hangs with online -- his guild, his clan, platoon, his whatever -- are buying it and want to "move on" to the next shared experience. It's a proposition that works for the developer, the online service, and the player.
If we want to compare and justify the pricing models here, then perhaps you should be a bit more realistic as to the true cost of the average multi-player game, because the cost usually doesn't stop at the store where you just paid $60 for the game.
How much does it cost you per month to enable your online mult-player experience? How long did you play your last REALLY good multi-player game? A year? Maybe even two years? Much like a cell phone, that $60 game just turned into a $300+ game.
Only multiplayer games worth 60? Well, this just shows that not everyone likes the same things. I would DEFINITELY be more likely to buy a $60 single-player game if it featured a good story than a $30 multiplayer game with no story. Multiplayer games are boring, they're all the same sh*t with just different colors, and I have absolutely no effing interest whatsoever to be playing with a bunch of retarded monkeys from the other side of the world.
Mike Capps, president of Gears of War developer Epic Games, said, 'If there's anything that's killing us [in the traditional games business] it's dollar apps.
I thought if there was anything killing you it was piracy. That's what you guys have been sprooking about for years on end, anyway.
And, strangely, the rate of piracy is often correlated to the number of digits on the price.
Not really, there have been claims of sub-10$ games having up to 90%+ piracy on android (essentially tracking amount of automated log-in attempts from copy of a game without a proper key on some server they used from a game or two).
They still sell enough though, and how many of these are actually "I want to try it before I buy it" is a question thrown in the air. But piracy (or more correctly copyright infringement) isn't going to just vanish because price goes down.
Actually, it will. Which titles have less piracy in the app store situation that you brought up? Those priced $1-4. For a mobile phone and a casual game...that's the price point people will pay without thinking twice for it. $10 for a phone app's pricey, based on the pricing I've seen for apps. I know I definitely won't consider most of them worth that price point- and I'm sure as heck going to want a better than basic demo evaluation before buying it. Now, for PC and many Console titles... $10-20 s
How do you sell someone a $60 game that's really worth it?
Perhaps it isn't worth $60.
If a $1 game provides me with about 1 week of entertainment, a $60 game should provide me with 60 weeks of entertainment.
There aren't many games that can do that, and there are even less that give me the convidence to pay for those 60 weeks up front.
I fear TFA calculates "worth" as "the amount of money we had to spend to make it". There used to be a day when games could be fun without gigabytes of graphics and sound. That day has never really gone, it's just been obscured by an increasing focus by developers on adding stuff that isn't part of the actual game.
If I bake a cake and package it in a golden, diamond encrusted box designed by some guy that changed his first and last name into a single, unpronouncable word, the cake hasn't increased in value at all. Sure, it looks much nicer with all the shiny bits, but it can't compensate for the fact that I can't bake a decent cake.
In fact, I find a game to be more worth it when there is LESS cutscene crap. I want to interact with something when I'm playing a game - if I want to watch some rendered 3D stuff, I'll go down to the local theater.
Ah! The economics of fun!
If a free game can entertain me for 10 minutes, how long should a $0.99 game entertain me?
More to the point, if people won't pay $60, then it's provably not worth $60, since nothing is worth more than what someone will pay for it by definition. They are not basing the worth on the cost to produce, but on nothing at all. We already know what the only valid basis is, he's just making shit up.
Further, this isn't even about baking a cake someone would want to eat. It's baking a cake compelling enough to spend $60. When you spend hundreds or even thousands on a wedding cake you're paying for an exper
If a $1 game provides me with about 1 week of entertainment, a $60 game should provide me with 60 weeks of entertainment.
If I can buy a $15,000 car that drives 100 mph, why can't the $60,000 car hit 400 mph?
If I don't mind a five-minute commute in my $1,000 used clunker, I should be just as happy with a five-hour drive to work in the $60,000 Lexus, right?
A $200 bottle of wine probably isn't twice as "good" as a $100 bottle of wine (though a $10 bottle probably is twice as good as a $5 bottle).
My $1000 camera doesn't do five times as much as a $200 point and shoot, and it definitely doesn't do twice as much as a $500 camera. I've got it for the small but perceptible improvement in image quality, plus the ten percent (or so) of photographs that would be impossible with the cheaper cameras.
The price of luxury, leisure, and entertainment goods does not necessarily correlate linearly with simple measures.
I've heard that GemRB will run on Android. May want to look into that.
Hello? Portal 2
There you go. You sold it for more than a buck. The truth is that a dollar game should not be a direct substitute for a $60 game and if it is you're making it wrong. This is true almost everywhere - you can rent a movie for your family for $1 or go to the movies for $50 (or a football game for hundreds). You can buy $2 flip-flops or $400 designer footwear. You can get $0.50 ramen or $30 steak, Two buck chuck or a $100 bottle of wine.
The gaming industry has always been volatile and unpredictab
There was a report here a few months back or so that linked to a game company's discovery that quite a few people only played a $60 game for a few hours and many never completed it before moving on to the next game. These are the folks that are being lost. Instead of spending $60 on a game they don't complete, they spend a buck or a few bucks on a game for their phone. It lets them play a little when waiting or idle without having to go to their computer, power it up and go back in.
I was a pretty heavy gamer back when Doom, Command and Conquer, Red Alert and StarCraft were popular. As multi-player became more popular, I found I didn't have the time to invest in trying to beat some twitchy 15 year old who had nothing better to do all day. I still get the newer games like StarCraft II and even play them, but I haven't finished it yet. I'll get the other two when they come out as well and may finish it they, or not.
I also have several "games" on my iPad and iPhone ranging from Angry Birds (it's really a puzzle solving game), Popper, and Pocket God to Small World, Rage, and Red Alert with several others in between. They're fine when I'm sitting here at work at lunch or in the car with my wife going somewhere.
The game companies have less of my money because I'm not interested in sports or super realistic multi-player gaming (battlefield 2 or crysis for instance). I like the games like Castle Wolfenstein, Duke Nukem, Doom, Quake, Command and Conquer, Red Alert (the original one more than the newer ones), Carmageddon, and StarCraft. Heck, I'd be excited to get many of the games I played back then simply updated to work on the current tech.
99 cent games aren't changing consumer's perception of value. Your intolerant, draconian treatment of your customers are changing their perception of your value.
Premium downloadable content? What the hell is that? I once bought two 3.25" disks full of Doom2 WADs because it was convenient to do so versus downloading them off of ftp.cdrom.org, not because Doom2 was defective by design unless I pay even more for "premium content".
But then, isn't that a problem with the rise of consoles? Not exactly a great pla
"The prevalence of free and 99-cent apps has changed consumers' perception of value"
No it hasn't.
'If there's anything that's killing us [in the traditional games business] it's dollar apps. How do you sell someone a $60 game that's really worth it? They're used to 99 cents.
And you're president of Epic Games? I think the reason your company is being "killed in the traditional gaming business" just became obvious...
Games are worth about $30 tops. These game makers need to adjust to reality. They have been over-charging for entertainment for too long and just like Microsoft, are having a difficult time adjusting when the market changes.
So yes, tiny tablets (phones) and larger tablets are making changes in the software industry. Compete, change or get out of the way. And certainly stop complaining about market forces which you once commanded being taken away from you.
Now refuses to buy a game that costs more than $1.00?
I don't believe it. Cheap apps have expanded the market to people that wouldn't buy a console. If you're having a hard time selling console games, don't blame the casual gamer who wants to spend 15 minutes on the subway playing a game. Blame the glut of "me, too" games at the high end.
"...it's an uncertain time in the industry. But it's an exciting time for whoever picks the right path and wins.'"
Sheesh. I really get sick and tired of hearing "who is me!" from the gaming industry as they continue to turn record profits.
Bottom line is there is enough demand out there to satisfy damn near every single major player in this industry. If you can't thrive in this world where reality is so bad and stressful that mind-altering legal and illegal drug use is at an all-time high and people are literally craving that alternate reality to escape to every day, then either your product really sucks ass or you're
Traditional gaming? You mean, like cards and chess and parcheesi?
How do you sell someone a $60 game that's really worth it?
I have no idea. Let me know when they create one.
'If there's anything that's killing us [in the traditional games business] it's dollar apps. How do you sell someone a $60 game that's really worth it?
I have seen lots and lots of $.99 games which were worth more than that. And I have seen really really few $60 games which were worth the $60. And they were worth the $60 not because they had loads of content, but because I really enjoyed playing them.
And that's the core of the pricing problem IMO: pumping more content into a basically $10-20 game doesn't make it a $60 game. The wasted $40-50 bucks are just that: wasted.
I wish the game developers went back to basics and started making simpler games a
'If there's anything that's killing us [in the traditional games business] it's dollar apps. How do you sell someone a $60 game that's really worth it? They're used to 99 cents. As I said, it's an uncertain time in the industry. But it's an exciting time for whoever picks the right path and wins.'
I've got a Droid, but I'm not a big mobile gamer. I'm used to spending $50 on a video game for my PC, or Nintendo, or whatever.
And what's killing you [in the traditional games business] is that your games are not really worth it.
Used to be that I'd buy a game for $50 and get 20+ hours of gameplay - not counting multiplayer. And I'm not talking about an RPG either... RPG's would be a good 60+ hours of gameplay.
I remember playing the first Unreal, or Quake, or Marathon, or Half-Life - and they all took me over a week of late nights to finish.
And then you'd have multiple hours of multiplayer on top of that... Usually with some terrific mods bolted on... And then some mods for the single player... Often the modding community would double or even triple the gameplay you got from your original purchase...
Now you shell out $60 for a game and get 5-10 hours of gameplay, plus the multiplayer. Then they'll start releasing more single player content, and multiplayer map packs, and skins, and whatever else as DLC. And the game will be designed around consoles, so there'll be very limited support for modding.
$50 for 20-80 hours of gameplay... Compared to $60 for 5-20 hours of gameplay...
Is it any wonder you're having a hard time selling your games?
It's kind of funny. When I first started playing video and computer games as a kid in the 80's, arguably a lot of the content for Nintendo and PC was not worth the 40-60 that they were charging. The games were, overall, smaller, less technologically advanced, there were less art assets, and simpler art assets, smaller levels, etc.
For many years, the 'value' you get for your $40-60 increased every year as the technology improved - prices stayed about the same, but the games got bigger, with more content, etc
It's kind of funny. When I first started playing video and computer games as a kid in the 80's, arguably a lot of the content for Nintendo and PC was not worth the 40-60 that they were charging. The games were, overall, smaller, less technologically advanced, there were less art assets, and simpler art assets, smaller levels, etc.
To a large degree, that was a limitation of the hardware.
You just weren't going to put full-motion video, speech, high-poly models, and whatever else on an NES. Just wasn't going to happen. The cartridge only had a few MB of storage. The machine only had a few K of RAM. It could only handle a few colors. Those were just limitations of the hardware.
But, at the time, that was still pretty impressive. Metroid, with its chunky graphics and crappy color palette and simplistic gameplay was, arguably, just a
Some pieces of software should cost $0.99 and some should cost $59.99. Suggesting either is killing gaming is silly. If anything price structures on many platforms are too rigid where the platform vendors can't handle a game because its the best price is neither $0.99 or $59.99.
if you cut out the big box store price can be $40 and you just need to pay the hosting fees + CC fees.
The simple fact of the matter is, that most people are not serious hardcore gamers, and/or don't have enough free time to devote to such levels of gaming...
As a result, very few if any games are worth $60 to most people... Now when there was no other choice, it didn't seem so unreasonable to buy a full priced game to only play once or twice, but now we finally have an alternative which is not illegal.
For me, and many other people i know, most games will only provide a couple of hours of entertainment at bes
You don't. First of all dollar apps are not a big threat to the big $60 games. What is threatening those big $60 games is the $60 + paid DLC. If I pay $60 it should be all-included with free DLC like StarCraft 2. Portal 2 is a bad example of that as well - a full priced game ($50) but every little outfit I want costs $1-5 and the game isn't all that big and very linear. The rest like Dead Space is again linear and just another zombie shooter. It has some cute concepts in it but it's not worth my money. Then
Those dollar apps are really filling the void that the decline in arcades. Where you have games designed to kill a few hours of your time, without really feeling ripped off, if you don't like the game. It is kinda of a funny turn of events. The Arcade was more popular then game consoles because they did better graphics and had more cooler stuff. Then the consoles got better then the Arcade systems. But because they are expensive to have games were a good gamer could complete in a few days. There is inter
I will admit I buy more $1 apps than traditional games now. My gaming time has been scarce for years, but back before the app store I would shell out $60 for a game and half of them would get played for an hour or less. Now I actually play more just because of the convenience, yes most of the games are more casual but are a entertaining enough experience that I just dont miss console gaming anymore, in fact I sold off both my 360 and PS3 a few months back. That said I dont mind paying for good games, I p
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|2008-01-24, 16:23
|Link #1
Gregory House
IT Support
Anonymous vs Church of Scientology (Read First Post!)
Really... I don't know what to think about this. On one hand, "Anonymous" strikes me as a bunch of 13-year old script kiddies posting lolcats on *chans; on the other, Scientology really, really pisses me off, in many ways... so I won't have an opinion on this until more time passes. If more attacks to Scientology on the net do happen on a constant basis, I'll give "Anonymous" credit as an organization of sorts... if the whole thing dies out in a week, I'll keep my picture of them as a bunch of 13-year old script kiddies posting lolcats on *chans (note that I'm not condoning the attacking of websites).
If anything, this is interesting as a social phenomenon the internet has brought about.
Here be an assortment of links in case any of you wish to get more info on the matter:
The Project Chanology--main Anon wiki on the matter. Note: The site undergoes daily attacks, so it might not be available all the time. Be wary of possible vandalizing actions, too.
List of local gatherings in case you wish to join a protest.
For live info on raids: irc.partyvan.org #xenu, #irl and #v (important: the last one is to mask your vhost! Be sure to do that if you use the IRC channel!)
These are alternative channels of information in case the main wiki is down.
None of these links are permanent and may suffer changes as the events develop. I'll try to keep them updated as much as I can, but I can't promise anything.
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|2008-01-24, 16:48
|Link #3
Love Yourself
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 32
On the internet, this is just bad and also hypocritical. If you claim that information wants to be free, but then knock someone's website offline, you're preventing others from accessing that information. All the same, if the "anonymous army" realizes their full potential, what's to prevent them from going after other websites that they decide they don't like, or just want to toy with? We have no real ways of preventing it and it could be extremely disruptive. As the saying goes, "sit down - you're rocking the boat." It's bad enough that we have botnets doing this sort of thing.
In real life, this could become very dangerous. All it takes is one overly zealous participant in the "anonymous army" to deface or damage Church of Scientology structures or even people. While I disagree with the Church of Scientology and despise their methods of badgering news reporters who try to expose them for the scam that they are, trying to harass members or deface their property are crimes under our society and rightly so. I find that aspect the most worrisome - that someone might, under the influence of the swarm, do something a bit too extreme and take it just a bit too far.
Other than those worries, I can't say that I feel bad for the Church of Scientology. It'll be interesting to see what happens either way, but I will certainly not participate and would try to discourage anyone from doing any of those sorts of actions, regardless who it's targeted against.
P.S. I sort of disagree with combining this with the News Stories thread... but if it garners enough replies, I'd imagine it'll become its own thread once more.
|2008-01-24, 21:24
|Link #6
Toyosaki Aki
Join Date: Nov 2007
I have no love for Scientology and am pretty interested as to how this works out. Anyone know if they've attacked Fox for the documentary yet?
|2008-01-25, 03:18
|Link #7
Love Yourself
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 32
If you were wondering about the Anon vs. Scientology bit, check out the Insurgency Wiki. Even if a single person didn't write it, it's incredibly long and detailed. I'd imagine that there's a mixture of real concern along with the random "did it for the lulz" ideas that went into it. It's sort of hard to not feel that it's justified after reading that, especially if you've been following Scientology's tactics. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
|2008-01-25, 09:26
|Link #8
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Virginia Tech
Simply put, this entire church of scientology raid is unjust, and I really wish people would stop having these kinds of raids.
Especially since the people propogating these raids were in no way harmed by the church of scientology's demands for removal of that video. 4chan did not lose visitors because of that, nor did they lose money.
However, these DDOS raids and protests are losing the church of scientology both money and people.
4chan had no reason to invade, other than for a few cheap laughs at other humans' expense. It's inhumane, I think.
|2008-01-25, 14:47
|Link #10
Love Yourself
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Northeast USA
Age: 32
The CoS beliefs sound like something a sci-fi writer would come up with, but to be honest I feel that you should be free to believe what you will. We don't even need to attack the beliefs to make the whole thing look bad. When you join you're expected to pay a fee for the teachings of the church. Members go up in levels based on the teachings and activities they partake in, and these all cost money. It gets more expensive the higher up you go.
So far, the information I've given just makes the CoS look like a scam of some sort. You brainwash people and then take advantage of it to get tons of money from them - it's not nice, but it's certainly not vile. The trouble with the CoS is that part of the teachings, from what I understand, dictate that many people are evil and will try to stop the CoS. These people are open game - there is none of Christ's "love thy neighbor and thy enemies" here. Ex-members of the CoS are also targets. The CoS itself will harrass these ex-members and people it perceives to be attackers. Part of the reason why the media and other news outlets are so cautious when dealing with the CoS is because the CoS legal team is extremely aggressive, and the CoS itself will engage in information warfare (dragging up items from your personal life, creating problems, and so on). I've seen a video posted by the CoS of a journalist who had a history of investigating and being critical of the CoS breaking down into a rage after they confronted him with issues from his personal life - it was meant to disgrace and discredit him. In some ways, it's not terribly different from what Anonymous strives to do.
Other accounts from ex-CoS members make the organization sound downright awful. I've read that family members are barred from speaking to each other - unless they're current CoS members. Paying parts of the CoS are run under slave labor-like conditions, with poor pay, long hours, and an all-controlling employer. Again, it's bad that people are brainwashed into actually doing these things, but what makes it worse is the threat of what CoS will do to you if you leave. This is not a pleasant organization.
As if that's not bad enough, they've started to impact government offices, too. They make quite a bit of money off of their followers and were originally recognized as a corporation. They petitioned the IRS to make them tax-exempt but from what I heard, it failed - until they got some of their own members into the IRS staff. Now they don't even pay taxes. I can also recall a somewhat frightening story about how there was a murder or some other grave crime in a small town mostly populated by scientologists, and the judge - also a scientologist - was basically extremely biased. A small town full of brainwashed, hostile people - that's the sort of situation you read about in horror stories.
Earlier I stated that I didn't really support the whole Anonymous thing because I figured that they were just doing it for their own amusement. It's something they've done quite often in the past, and I find it to be immature and a bit of an annoyance. But read over their wiki, and take a look also at their other "enemy" pages. The CoS page is incredibly long, much longer than any of the other pages, and a lot more thought seems to have gone into much of it. I've also watched a number of their "IRL raids" on youtube, and was pretty surprised. I'd expected to see vandalism, harrassment, and other cheap forms of humor. Instead, I saw people (occasionally masked) handing out and posting flyers, and sometimes talking to people about it. They're making it an information war. I'm still afraid that someone is going to take it a bit too far, but for now I'm really pleasantly surprised. It's well organized, well meaning, and right now it's largely respectable.
I don't agree with things like prank calling pizza places and ordering it to scientology locations to run their bills up, of course. But I'm somewhat reversing my stance on their DDoS attacks and attempts to push scientology off of the internet. I think that scientology - like many other cults - preys on people and takes them in, blinding them to what's really going on. There are other societies/cults like this in America, and these have led to a profession of sorts called "deprogrammers" - people who will "kidnap" the target person from the society's grounds and then undo the brainwashing. It sounds ridiculous that we'd have such things in our present-day society, but scientology certainly matches the profile for such an organization.
So perhaps what it really comes down to is how you feel about the Church of Scientology. If you feel that organizations should be free to do with people what they please, then this "war" is unjustified. If you feel that the CoS is a harmful organization and has no place in society, then it's completely justified and we can only hope that it sets off a chain of events that ultimately either destroys the entire organization, or at least sends it back to just being a small-town cult. Admittedly, the implications of this being carried out by vigilantees/mob justice are a bit unsettling.
Religion is a touchy subject, but I don't believe that's what this is about. The big three - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - will not persecute you for entering and leaving the religion. They are also not set up in a manner that forces you to pay to participate. To me, the Church of Scientology is set up more like a scam than a religion. I won't personally be participating in attempting to remove them. However, as you can probably tell I've made up my mind about them. I think this has the potential to do a lot of good, and I'm very much interested to see what's going to happen next.
|2008-01-25, 15:28
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So let us see if two wrongs make a right.
I am sure that somewhere down the line, such an attack is criminal. But considering how seriously screwed scientology is as a "religion" I bet that such an attack would be casually looked over by the authorities because even though they should do something technically, deep down they are really cheering for this cult to cease.
|2008-01-25, 15:52
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Gregory House
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On the bit about CoS being downright hostile when it comes to people outside the cult talking about Scientology, well... CoS has been almost a self-declared enemy of the internet. There's an entire article in the Wikipedia called "Scientology versus the Internet". Among many questionable legal measures, one of their attacks was to force Slashdot to delete a comment that posted an excerpt of one of their "holy books", claiming copyright infringement. So yes, they're not nice guys, and from what Ledgem says seems that Anonymous isn't just a bunch of 13-year old kids anymore... The combative and emotional part inside me is siding more and more with them.
We'll see. For now, the intention seems to be to Google Bomb the Scientology website to make it #1 hit for "dangerous cult", "brainwashing cult", etc...
(Note: for those who don't know, Google Bombing is to use a website to link to a page under a particular keyword, in this case, "dangerous cult", to make it the first hit under that keyword in Google).
PS: The situation is still developing... so I'd like the thread to take its separate shape once more. I really don't feel it's "just news".
|2008-01-25, 16:33
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This whole Anon vs. Scientology to me is a very interesting experience. I myself would like to say I'm indifferent about the situation, but the truth is there are many things I really disapprove of the Church of Scientology. The way I see it is that this is somewhat a reenactment of the holocaust. I'm not saying that Anon is doing exactly what the Nazi's did. But their approach of the situation is somewhat scary, and as much as I dislike Scientology, the fact that things can turn out extremely horrible really makes me wonder if they are really trying "save" people who have been brainwashed by the Church of Scientology. Though currently, I feel Anon has a pretty good standing in their cause.
Anyway the reason for my post is this, it happens to be slideshow made a while ago (maybe a little more than year ago) that is extremely informative of what goes on behind the scenes of Scientology. One of the most possibly scary things about the Church of Scientology is their extremely powerful and influential legal team. They aren't normal, these guys will do anything to rid any bad name and obstacle against them. Something no one should try to mess around with, which is why I feel this Anon vs Scientology can turn into a very ugly situation.
|2008-01-25, 17:20
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Is the Church of Scientology evil? Based on what you gave me in those facts, if I were to make an opinion, yes. I haven't looked into the church of scientology itself, nor have I looked into its beliefs, its actions, or policies, since I'm honestly not interested in it. I'm a Christian, so their actions don't really make much of a difference to me.
However, I'm not arguing that what they are doing is good. I'm saying that what 4chan is doing is bad. They have no right to do what they are doing and do illegal things to that church. They have no right to take away potential profits or members from that church. It's the very same way as how it would be wrong to DDOS Microsoft. By taking down their website, they lose other people money and disrupt hard work.
And yes, Scientology did work hard in order to get to where they are now. Maybe in the wrong way, but it still was hard work.
Nobody has the right to do any of this, except the government. If 4chan thought something was wrong, they should have E-Mailed an authority and asked for an investigation into it. Since, after all, it isn't really a religion as much as a cult.
Keep in mind, back in early 2006 I was against the YTMND raids against Ebaumsworld for much the same reason, that I think that things can be handled in much more peaceful ways. That had a reason behind it, as YTMND was directly hurt. This had no hurt to 4chan, so they had even less of a ground to attack.
|2008-01-25, 17:26
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Gregory House
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Since you apparently haven't heard much about Scientology, even though you're not interested, I'd suggest you to take a look at what happens when professional journalism wants to know a bit more about their organization (it's four videos, the audio in the latter ones gets badly off sync but it's still worth it).
|2008-01-25, 17:34
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|2008-01-25, 18:19
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Gregory House
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It's all right, I don't think it's legal either, but I'm not gonna get in their way. If you ask me what I really think, I believe Scientology deserves it, but you'll never get that out of me in court
But really, as a final recommendation, do please watch the video I pointed out. There's lots of material on the net about how nasty Scientology can be, but that's the most graphic example I've seen so far.
|2008-01-25, 19:11
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While I do wish anonymous luck, I cannot condone their actions. It's true scientology is a dangerous cult and should be stopped. However, it should be done legally. DDoS attacks are most certainly a crime. I cannot accept that the ends justify the means here.
Though this is interesting and a bit scary in it's implications for the future of information based warfare.
|2008-01-25, 19:49
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The big problem is that Scientology can be considered a religion, and that is the 1st ammendment's issue.
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A short story about a future trade in cloned Celebrity Meat:
http://www.omegacom.demon.co.uk/meat.htm [demon.co.uk]
Like a lot of cleaners, I started out in public health, running DNA analyses in a forensic laboratory. That was ten years ago, when the meat trade was at its height. We were processing ten thousand samples a day. Most were fakes. 'Princess Di' for instance, was originally a basal cell cancer excised from a fifty-eight-year-old Albanian woman, but it didn't stop the meatleggers moving twenty tonnes of product. Then fans started doing their own DNA analyses, and growing their own supplies. Once someone has started a cloned cell line, anyone with an incubator, access to a few common biochemicals, and basic knowledge about cell culture can keep it going indefinitely. By the time I joined one of the vat-busting teams, most of the meat we were chasing was one hundred per cent genuine cloned celebrity. As soon as anyone managed to get a viable scrap of tissue, that was it. The meat was out there. The only way to stop it was to bust the places where it was grown.
Cannibalism in sci-fi is a popular choice. Weird. Some examples off the top of my head:
Farnham's Freehold (Heinlein)
(and Stranger. And Number of the Beast)
Bordered in Black (Niven)
Consider Phlebas (Banks)
This sounds awesome. I love meat, best part of any meal, however I don't like the whole killing cattle thing, but it's a necessary evil for me, as I'm not willing to give it up. However, this would be the best of both worlds.
It will be able to be mass manufactured in large quantities, and hopefully cheaply. It reduces energy usage. Reduces carbon emissions. Reduces land usage.
These are all HUGE wins. As long as food companies get serious on it (which they likely would), then you can get flawless, tasty steaks, for cheap as fuck. I don't care if it's not "authentic", I wan't my pseudo-lamb meat!
My guess is it would take a while before they were able to get it up to the mass manufacturing stage, and even further before they're producing meat with the nice tasting fat, and other impurities. Though, once it's at the mass manufacturing stage, people will start eating it, mainly people who like gamey meat though.
I'm actually fine with this idea of 'fake meat', as long as it's done well. If it tastes and behaves similarly to 'real meat', and is made from actual real animal cells... I'm just fine with the idea. I'd be more worried about genetically modified meat -- but this stuff is not modified in that way. It's just cells grown in a non-standard incubation system (i.e., a lab dish, as opposed to a sack of other meat cells).
I'm actually fine with this idea of 'fake meat', as long as it's done well. If it tastes and behaves similarly to 'real meat', and is made from actual real animal cells... I'm just fine with the idea...
I don't see this tasting or feeling anything like real meat. Sure, it may be layers of mean protein stacked on top of each other, but meat is more than that. Meat comes with fat. That's the stuff that makes meat juicy. Sometimes, meat comes on a bone. That's like a handle. Meat can be light or dark depending on what part of the animal it comes from. It may be tough, meaning that it must be cooked for hours to tender it up. It may be tender, meaning that it should be flash cooked. And finally, meat has a texture, or "grain" that needs to be adhered to. You must cut meat AGAINST the grain or else it becomes stringy and tough. I don't care how well a piece of meat is cooked, if it's cut wrong, it's tough.
Anyway, my point is that petri-meat will have none of these qualities. The only thing I see this good for is ground meat where the texture doesn't matter, and even then, animal fat will have to be added from another petri dish from a biproduct of a real animal, which kinda defeats the purpose. That may not work either because I don't know if there is a flavor difference between fat grown on a cows back vs the fat that grows in the skin. Come to think of it, bacon fat tastes a whole to different than pork chop fat.
We will not have a synthetic steak that will fool anyone until we are capable of growing full organs as layers of muscle protein is not going to full anyone that has ever eaten meat before.
It's predicted that meat will be too expensive for most of the world's population by 2050, and some scientists have proposed that westerners should eat insects instead. See entomophagy [wikipedia.org].
I'd quite like to try some of the big insects. I've tried some tiny ones (waxworms and crickets) and found them tasteless except for the sauce they were served in.
Insects have some advantages over mammals, birds and fish. They like to live in colonies, which is good for factory farming. They're very high in protein -- sometimes as much as 70%, compared to about 15% by mass for a cow. They take a lot less energy to produce. And many humans already eat them, unlike in-vitro muscle.
It's predicted that meat will be too expensive for most of the world's population by 2050, and some scientists have proposed that westerners should eat insects instead.
We've heard this Malthusian nonsense for two centuries now, and not only is it still not true, there's more abundance of food (including meat) than ever before, even with a population hitting 7 billion. As long as there are free markets, there will be enough food. Farmers and companies will find a way.
Synthetic meat is still too expensive. This process will be optimized to a fabricated protein paste fed through a tube to power your assigned functions until you wear out and are flushed. Witness the progress of humanity.
Did you actually read the summary? It is possible that a lot of energy can be saved by this process. The research costs are probably high, but that can be amortised in the long run.
Trying to detach meat from the idea an animal died for it is twisted. People shouldn't hind from that fact and be respectful an animal died for the meat.
In this case, an animal did not die for it. It is about as ethical or unethical as any other synthetically produced food.
It is actually interesting to see this article on here today, I was actually just reading information about the progression of human ethics and morality. From the past where anyone not of your own religion, skin colour, or gender were considered non-human and treated accordingly, to today's world where discrimination still happens, but is generally recognized as such within society and strongly discouraged, to a future where everyone is truly equal and discrimination is a thing of the past. One of the big thoughts brought forward of course is that in the past while people of other groups were treated as non-human, it was taken for granted that this was in fact the case, and while there may have been some people who believed otherwise, it was a generally accepted fact in society.
Now to the point, if our sense of morality was so different in the past, where will it be in the future? There is an argument that the way we treat (and eat) animals right now will look not much different to a person a couple hundred years from now than the way we now see the idea of how other races were treated a couple hundred years ago. I don't know if I agree with that sentiment or not, however it seems a logical extension of where morality has been to where it is going, and as a person living in today's society it is impossible to see what cultural biases might be clouding my judgement.
That said, I love meat, I plan to keep eating meat. Will I eat synthetically grown meat? I don't see why not, assuming they manage to make it taste close enough to the real thing (which is a tougher task than one might think, what we taste in meat is not just the raw muscle itself, but is also influenced by the way the animal as exercised, and the food it has eaten.)
Of course one more jab on the animal rights front, many animals alive today would simply not be here if humans didn't eat meat. While it may seem noble to not slaughter the cows for beef, it must be realized that if humans didn't eat meat most of those cows would never have lived in the first place. (same for almost any animal that humans regularly eat) I know many people on here were talking about feedlotting vs grazing, and while I know there must be a lot of feedlots, I've never seen one, and yet I can't drive five minutes on the highway around here without seeing fields full of grazing cows. I'm not sure if that's just coincidence, of if feedlots aren't as common in my area as real grazing is?
That said, I love meat, I plan to keep eating meat. Will I eat synthetically grown meat? I don't see why not, assuming they manage to make it taste close enough to the real thing (which is a tougher task than one might think, what we taste in meat is not just the raw muscle itself, but is also influenced by the way the animal as exercised, and the food it has eaten.)
That's a point a lot of people have raised... I'm actually surprised TFA didn't address it, because it was one of the first questions that Bob McDonald (of Quirks and Quarks on CBC, in Canada) asked the scientist, about 2 years ago when I first heard about this kind of project.
The scientist's answer wasn't that the meat was super tough, rather that it was very tender. The problem with the meat was that it was just a hunk of meat grown in a test tube... the science behind growing the meat had been well estab
Offtopic I know,
but are we stuck with that big square box now?
Been passively looking for something like that for a while.
Here you are [sourceforge.net]. Seriously, if I want to visit Sourceforge, I will go to Sourceforge, not go to
Vegetarians like to say that they're getting all the protein they need. And by the numbers, beans and grains do have good amounts of protein... But these proteins are locked up for storage, and have Protease inhibitors [wikipedia.org] to interfere with their digestion. Trypsin [wikipedia.org] is what makes Soybeans so inedible...
Potatoes are the best vegan source of protein, because potatoes' defenses are against the microbes that cause rotting, whereas the above-ground portions of the plants have all sorts of defenses against animals.
Gelatin is a good source of protein because of the kinds of amino acids that it has, and does NOT have. The recent news about synthetic human gelatin [slashdot.org] is a bit more important than this form of synthetic meat, methinks.
Nonsense there are plenty of dietary sources of protein that don't include eating meat. You make it sound like soybeans are the only source. Ultimately the reason why most vegans and vegetarians don't get enough meat isn't that it's impossible it's that they aren't doing their homework to make sure that they're getting the range of proteins necessary to get the complete ones that the body can't synthesize.
I've personally known vegan powerlifters that showed absolutely no signs of protein deficiency.
There are many types of vegetarians, those who consume milk, eggs and honey won't have such problems. Also, most vegetarians I know eat fish. And even the hardcore zealots can survive by eating algae [wikipedia.org]. And they won't eat gelatin as it's made of animal bones.
Also, most vegetarians I know eat fish.
Those aren't vegetarians. Really, it bugs me when people call themselves "vegetarian" even though they eat meat.
Besides the enzyme inhibitors, another poison in soybeans are the isoflavones, aka "phyto-estrogens". Estrogenic substances decrease the availability of oxygen and tell tissues to divide. Generally speaking, soybeans are only edible fermented, as a condiment. Cooking does not deactivate the isoflavones.
gelatin, for its limited range of benefits that can easily be found in plants, is rather controversial too, as its potential to transmit BSE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp_seed [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]
Hempseed and flaxseed are rich sources of polyunsaturated fatty acides, which cause lipid peroxidation [wikipedia.org], thereby increasing a body's vitamin E requirements.
Potatoes and tubers are the best vegan source of prot
Just because PETA says something is unethical doesn't mean it is.
There is nothing unethical about eating meat.
There is nothing unethical about eating whale, they are about as smart as pigs.
There is nothing unethical about eating dog or cat. It's just what you are used to.
It is unethical to try to impose your opinions on others. I'm looking at you herbivores.
Cats and dogs were never part of daily food for the vast majority of human mankind throughout history.
Eating whales WAS not unethical. Contributing NOW to the extinction of a mammal (or animal in general) IS unethical. It's a prime example for unethical behavior.
Their IQ is irrelevant for your own behavior, but I suspect YOUR IQ is pretty low. So...Can I eat you? It shouldn't be unethical as you are as smart as a pig.
It is unethical to try to impose your opinions on others. I'm looking at you herbivores.
Most of the vegans that I know make no attempt to impose their lifestyle on anyone else. Maybe your experiance is different. PETA is a fringe group that does not remotely represent the typical vegetarian or vegan. Vegans can be kind of fussy, though. Apparently serving something that is only 95% vegan is considered unacceptable. Who knew?
I personally have no issues with meat. Cows aren't out in the pasture composing poetry. They're little more than machines that turn grass and corn into meat and manu
I'm a vegetarian that is very anti-peta; their "ethics" play no part in my decision. Unlike most, though, I was raised on a farm that had beef cattle and have pulled the trigger myself a few times.
What is unethical is refusing to change when there are better options.
There is nothing unethical about eating meat.
I seriously doubt that. These are the two most grave concerns:
Animal pain. Animals do feel pain, and from the universal viewpoint of ethics, it doesn't matter whether it's you, me, some other human, an ape or a chicken that gets tortured. Pain is pain and our practices in factory farming causes a lot of it for only a little benefit, which is extremely unethical. (I know there are other approaches to animal's status, but there is no notable modern moral philosopher who disputes that the suffering of animals is a serious concern)
Environment. Did you know that animal production accounts for more greenhouse gases than all of the world's transportation? Yup, and that's not some veggie organization that claims that, but the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) [un.org]. It also takes up a lot of water, energy and is responsible for much of the destruction of the jungle.
Chicken Little, a huge mass of cultured chicken breast, was kept alive by algae skimmed by nearly-slave labor from multistory towers of ponds surrounded by mirrors to focus the sunlight onto the ponds.
Scum-skimming wasn't hard to learn. You got up at dawn. You gulped a breakfast sliced not long ago from Chicken Little and washed it down with Coffiest. You put on your coveralls and took the cargo net up to your tier. In blazing noon from sunrise to sunset you walked your acres of shallow tanks crusted with algae. If you walked slowly, every thirty seconds or so you spotted a patch at maturity, bursting with yummy carbohydrates. You skimmed the patch with your skimmer and slung it down the well, where it would be baled, or processed into glucose to feed Chicken Little, who would be sliced and packed to feed people from Baffinland to Little America.
From The Space Merchants, by Frederik Pohl (w/CM Kornbluth).
Published by St. Martin's Press in 1952
Read the link for the references to the REAL "Chicken Little" experiment that started it all.
Orwell got most of it wrong
You haven't been paying much attention, apparently.
We live in a near police state where citizens are repeatedly urged by friendly, paternalistic voices over loudspeakers in places of common congregation that "if you see something, say something." We are video recorded everywhere (at least in London, but I suspect the same is true in most cities these days). While we don't yet have observation systems directly in our houses, we're coming remarkably close what with technology that sees quite well through wa
Read the link for the references to the REAL "Chicken Little" experiment that started it all.
Then read this link [wikipedia.org] about the problems with the experiment, and then this link [wikipedia.org] which explains how the results of the first experiment are not now believed to be possible.
Short version: "Chicken Little" is like cold fusion. It's received a lot of press, but the experiment has not withstood scrutiny by the scientific community. The experiment has never been able to be replicated, and further experiments show
If you need to stack the sheets 3000 times in order to approach the thickness of meat, you only have to fold them 12 times.
Or just stack in twelve steps. No need to complicate things with folding.
Folding@Home just took on a whole new meaning.
There was an art piece at the MOMA's Design and the Elastic Mind [moma.org] exhibit titled "Victimless Leather" which involved growing a batch of stem cells into the shape of a tiny jacket. The piece eventually had to be "killed" [grinding.be] when it grew out of control... as stem cells tend to do (and why their promise is over-exaggerated because they give you cancer [livescience.com]).
I appreciate people working on innovations like this, but we are decades and decades away from getting anything practical out of it. The meat we get from mother nature has billions of years of natural selection going into it, making it grow more efficiently. We co-evolved with it, meaning we are selected to make to the most efficient use of its nutrients. It's going to take a lot of time in the lab to match the nutrition and efficiency of muscle meat produced from 3.5 billion years of evolution.
Serious Answer/Question - Who cares as long as it's tasty.
But more specificly. Yes / No.
Genuine kashrut rabbi and lurker from about '98 here, if they culture the cells from a freshly kosher slaughtered kosher animal then it would be forever kosher.
If the animal were not killed first it would be ever min hachai or flesh stripped from a living animal and a rarity for Jewish kosher law considered forbidden to all humans(from the law given to Noah when humans were first permitted meat rathen for the Jews at Mt Sinai).
Since the kosher status is for meat of the animal there might be room for an interpretation that subsequent cells grown form any animal are no longer that creature but simply a vat grown blob removing any kosher concerns and considering it something akin to candy made from all synthetic materials.
Well research in this vein (ha ha) should continue if for no other reason than it would be great to be able to have a big juicy steak on a space ship! Of course one could see all sorts of interesting (bad) things happening due to the combination of zero-g, cosmic rays and endlessly multiplying cells!
Does anyone know if there are any experiments in trying to make fish meat (sushi) along these lines? Pound for pound (or ounce for ounce) perfectly made uniform slabs of high grade fish have got to be the most expensive/valuable bits of non-human protein on the planet. I mean when a single (big) tuna costs several hundred thousand dollars in the Tokyo fish market, you know there could be profit for even an expensive technology.
Finally, (I know this is gross), would eating synthesized human flesh be considered cannibalism? I mean is cannibalism bad because you had to kill someone to eat or is it bad because you are eating meat with similar DNA? (Actually, it's probably the latter because it exposes you to all sorts of diseases that normally wouldn't survive because you'd be eating a different species). And would it taste like chicken?
Human flesh tastes like pign. Search for "long pig". Also, the Mercury astronauts were, as part of their survival training, taught that the tenderest cuts are from just under the ribcage.
Complete directions for preparing long pig [churchofeuthanasia.org] (warning: very "Dexter"-like)
Why, this destroys cells. The very basis of all life! It must be stopped!
You're such a villian that you even do it to your own cells!
How many cells did you callously murder last night when you took a drink of alcohol? Or even accidently bite the inside of your cheek.
And what about the flesh in between your fingers in the womb that you thoughtlessly put to cell death so you could selfishly have fingers. Or the skin cells you made thirst to death as formerly living shields against the outside world?
Your whole existance is dedicated to torturing and murdering cellular life!
This could be the start of whole industries of advocacy groups.
You know the one the "chicken" is now grown in vats? Awesome.
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