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Sunday, December 26, 2010
A Fun Post-Christmas Activity And A Plea For Rational Discourse
Notice how many times Lazaran refers to himself and his fellow Palinistas as operating within the "center-right." Then notice how he attacks "moderate" Lisa Murkowski.
Ha, ha, ha. I understand the politics of Lazaran's word games. The only people on earth that have taken a fancy to Mrs. Palin are the most conservative members of the Republican base. This is why Palin's numbers are so terrible. So it must be time for Lazaran and his fellow personality cult followers to try to pass off Palin as "center-right."
Of course, we could just look at all of the polls that have come out since 2008 that show how moderates, and those who operate in the center of politics, view Palin. But most polls don't question 'centrists.' They questions 'moderates,' a group that overwhelmingly dislikes Palin. So Lazaran is trying to persuade us that moderates are bad and centrists are good. And Palin is center-right, but not one of those icky, moderate establishment types.
Lazaran's piece is comparable to when he tried to argue that there are five reasons why Palin is more experienced than the past five Presidents (qualification number #2: her ten years volunteering for the PTA-- ha, ha, ha). Or the time when Conservatives4Palin argued that Palin is a quitter because she refused to quit (Don't ask me to try to explain that piece -- but still -- ha, ha, ha).
Here is the lesson that we get from C4Palin. Nobody takes them seriously. They are comic relief, if not sad, pathetic people who hang on the words of one person that they have probably never met. Here's to hoping that 2011 will see the bloggers at Right Speak engage in thoughtful, rational discourse. Let's not become a hodgepodge of personality cult followers. I like Romney, but I will be the first to criticize him when he is wrong and the first to admit his weaknesses. I hope that everyone on this site can do the same, even if they already support a particular candidate.
50 comments:
- Right Wingnut said...
Here is the lesson that we get from C4Palin. Nobody takes them seriously. They are comic relief, if not sad, pathetic people who hang on the words of one person that they have probably never met. - Pablo
Your post is garbage. If you want to see "sad and pathetic" look in the mirror.
- December 26, 2010 at 2:57 PM
After reading the 5, I went looking for Part 2 (5-10).
Did they run out of reasons?
6. She owns a team of sled dogs
7. She makes a mean moose meatball.
8. She once killed a wolf from a helicopter
9. She turned down, Dancing With The Stars
10, She can see Russia from her deck.
Now how many former Presidents can claim any of these as well?
- December 26, 2010 at 5:15 PM
- illinoisguy said...
Pablo --> I like Romney, but I will be the first to criticize him when he is wrong and the first to admit his weaknesses
Just to help you stay a little humble, don't you mean 'the first to criticize him when you think he is wrong?" and when you believe him weak? Otherwise, you're kind of implying that you are always right when you differ.
- December 26, 2010 at 7:03 PM
I'm having trouble reconciling this:
"Here is the lesson that we get from C4Palin. Nobody takes them seriously. They are comic relief, if not sad, pathetic people who hang on the words of one person that they have probably never met."
with this:
"Here's to hoping that 2011 will see the bloggers at Right Speak engage in thoughtful, rational discourse."
Some of your other points were interesting, though. I, too, thought Sarah was supposed to be shining example of conservatism, even with a libertarian streak. Hard to imagine any of her supporters trying to rebrand her as anything else.
- December 26, 2010 at 8:13 PM
"A Plea For Rational Discourse"
The problem with rational discourse is that it tends to get boring.
Let it all hang out. Let everyone know haw you REALLY FEEL. That's much more interesting.
I like what I read to help keep me awake.
- December 26, 2010 at 8:24 PM
I guess we are even because, many of us do not take you serious Pablo. Even those in your own camp cringe at many of your posts. Your encouragement of Liberal Republicans in the Senate is utter foolishness and is bad for the party in the long run.
- December 26, 2010 at 8:34 PM
- Pablo said...
Thanks for pointing that out. I don't mean to imply that I am always right. In fact, I am arguing for rational discourse, where we set aside our allegiances to certain personalities and follow the better argument regardless of where it lands us. I don't expect neither do I hope for everyone to agree with me on the issues. I do expect to have a good discussion about them though.
- December 26, 2010 at 11:21 PM
- Pablo said...
I always thought that you were one of my favorite Palin supporters at ROS and I even joined the group that tried to get you on board as a FPP. I can testify that you are not a mindless follower of a personality. It just appears to me that C4Palin folks are in general mindless followers of a personality.
I am sorry if I offended you, because it certainly was not my attention to do so.
- December 26, 2010 at 11:22 PM
- Pablo said...
What I said to RW applies to you as well. If you can point to a specific liberal policy that I support then I would love to hear it. This is not a team sport. I will never allow Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck to define conservatism for me. I believe in the reduction of the federal government. I am conservative.
Just because I think that the New START Treaty and the Dream Act are good bills does not mean that I am liberal. I stand with many conservatives on both of those issues.
- December 26, 2010 at 11:26 PM
- Doug NYC GOP said...
Good man you are Pablo, stand your ground.
I am no Murkowski fan to say the least, and I certianly understand the consternation displayed towards her.
On the other hand, most (not all) of the C4P content and comments do really border on blind idolization.
It begs the question, if Palin is truly the best, bravest, smartest, wittiest, most conservative, capable super achiever the C4Peepers claim, why did she feel the need to quit her ($120K per yr.) job?
Certianly the woman who is the second coming of Reagan should be able to manage a few pesky law suits.
What do yo think she'll have to endure if - and it's a BIG if, she's elect President?
- December 27, 2010 at 12:54 AM
- Right Wingnut said...
You are a liberal Republican. That I get, and can accept. I can also accept the fact that you don't like Sarah Palin. I don't particularly care for Mitt Romney. Although I believe liberal Republicans are a cancer in the party, I respect your right to voice your liberal positions. I've often wondered why you are even a Republican. You've explained your reasons on several occasions. Even though I still don't fully comprehend your reasoning, I accept your answer.
What I cannot accept is your insulting comments toward tens of thousands of loyal members of the conservative movement - many of which contribute a decent share of the daily traffic on this site. I link to many of my Right Speak posts at C4P, in the hopes of creating more balance on this site. Because of your insulting post, I'll be hesitant to send people to this site until your post disappears from the front page.
- December 27, 2010 at 12:54 AM
- Right Wingnut said...
Are you kidding me? Imagine the out rage if I penned a post about the "blind idolization" of the good folks over at MRC. I've voiced my displeasure over some of the anti-Palin stuff I've read over there (as have you in regards to anti-Mitt stuff at C4P), but would never stoop so low as to call them (one of which is you) "sad and pathetic." Pablo insulted every Palin supporter who contributes to this site. If you support that, then my opinion of you just dropped considerably.
- December 27, 2010 at 1:02 AM
- Right Wingnut said...
Pablo and Doug,
If this is how you really feel, and are anxious to get it off your chest, grow some balls, register at C4P, and go right into the belly of the beast and tell them yourselves.
- December 27, 2010 at 1:05 AM
- illinoisguy said...
At the end of this year, I find myself reflecting on the general tone of some things I've said, and am not overly happy with what I see. Allegiance to a particular candidate has caused many of us to act out of character. I've known Ohio Joe on here for over 3 years. I can remember when he had not yet chosen his candidate. I cite him because it's easier to see how others have changed than how I might have. I'm wondering if OJ has really changed on issues, or whether he says things he shouldn't really be saying either because he sees the game being one of hard ball, and that the weaker team loses, or is there actually a form of brainwashing coming from spending a huge amount of time arguing for a certain candidate. OJ, I think in your heart, you're a good guy. I also think you are much much closer to Mitt Romney on issues than you let yourself believe, or at least closer than you will let any of us believe. I doubt if you have read his book. I can remember when you were leaning toward Romney, ever so slightly, and since that time, I really don't think Mitt has done or said hardly anything that would bother you. In fact, if you really reflected on it, you would find that Sarah has done or said things that bother you as much or more. Mitt wrote a wonderful book, and listed 63 very conservative positions, well thought out on a wide variety of issues. Yet, you allow yourself to declare him a RINO. The only things you ever criticize him for are things that happened before the time that you were wavering on whom to support, and leaning slightly toward Mitt Romney. Since that time, Mitt has worked his tail off very, very hard to do what he felt was best for our nation, and for our party. Not one person has worked as hard to get our midterms turn out the way they did. Mitt could have gone back the last three years and earned himself a huge amount of money, but he loved his country more. I believe if you would read his book, and especially pay attention to his positions, you would be a staunch supporter of those positions. But, because you are a Palin supporter, you not only ignore that, but go overboard calling him names that don't apply to Mitt Romney at all. I like you OJ...that's one reason I'm singling you out for citing this phenomena.
Even though I disagree with Pablo on some issues, and many times certainly don't think his position is the conservative one, at least he is one who keeps his mind open to the possibility that his candidate may not be right all the time.
I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, except I guess I wish we could regain some of the civility we once displayed. As you all know craig "Iowa1' brings out the worst in me. I'll try to do better in the future. It would be nice if we could get back to the "With respect" starting many of the paragraphs like OJ used to do so well. Have we really lost respect for each other? What has happened?
- December 27, 2010 at 1:24 AM
- Pablo said...
Your responses are proving my post right. Thanks.
You did say one thing that I agree with. Both camps are susceptible to blind following. Again, that was one of the reason for my post.
- December 27, 2010 at 7:20 AM
- Pablo said...
I will take into consideration my tone. I know that i do go overboard on occasion in insulting Palin. I certainly did not mean to offend you. I believe that what I said was true, but obviously we are all contending for the truth.
- December 27, 2010 at 7:25 AM
Well Pablo, at the end of the day it is your right as an American to disagree with many of the rest of us on START on the DREAM act, while you have valid reasons for your opinions, it does not change the fact that they are more liberal than most of us would like. That does not mean that you are an outright Socialist or a bad person. Nevertheless, I cannot agree with your outlook on the world and the country and with the respect, I would rather not have my party subscribe to such views.
- December 27, 2010 at 7:58 AM
While I do not agree with everything you wrote IG, I take it as a compliment and you made some valid points. In short, like others, I have changed over the last year and a half. It is true that while my views on political issues have not changed that much, no doubt, my political persona have changed, my political strategy has changed and my view of America, the world, the Republican party and even my state has changed.
Haha, I have not kept statistics, but I imagine that about a year and a half ago I spent about 10 or 15% of the time trashing other camps, I know spend about 70 to 75% of the time doing such. For the record, I not think that your or the majority of your camp members are bad people. 18 month ago, I vacationed in a Romney state, I was treated with hospitality and respect and figuratively speaking I saw that they had Blue blood too that run Red when it bleeds; they have hopes, fears and dreams like others. The fact remains that our party is a coalition of factions with different views of the world which is getting more difficult to square into round pegs.
Other than stating that I am an Immigrant, I do not like to go into details on public forms. However, to paint a picture, I will say this, I am an immigrant of immigrants. Meaning that neither of my parents were born in the same country that I was. In fact, they were both born in different countries and moved for a better life. In many ways, I am the product of a mixed marriage. For example, one grandfather was shot by the Nazis (fortunately he died several years later of essentially old age, and unlike a few of his nephews, he escaped so that he never had to see the inside of a German Labor camp) and the other Grandfather was killed by Communists. I am in no way asking for sympathy because that was there story, not mine and that is just the way it was, I am just painting a picture. At the time, I came to America, my country was going through arguably what was both an economic and a constitutional crises. Political parties came and went. Needless to say, I thank GOD that I am now an American.
- December 27, 2010 at 9:31 AM
Prior to coming to America, there was a Constitutional Referendum. It question was a compromise and was opposed by extremists on both sides of the political spectrum. Disenfranchised people and people from certain regions also opposed the deal. I opposed the deal in part because the deal was far from perfect and I was a malcontented young person. My mother (like many other immigrant upper middle class women) supported the deal. She knew the deal was far from perfect, but supported anyway because she felt it would keep the country together and feared the alternative would be political and economic turmoil like where she was from. Despite admiring her great accomplished life, I lost a lot of respect for her settling for something that 'well, at least things are better than where I came from.' I vowed to myself when I became an American, I would never be as cowardly and hold my nose, if push were to come to shove.
I realize that part of the reason Conservatism has been so successful in the United States is because people from various states and regions as well as people ranging from almost the Far Right to almost the Center were able to come together and compromise and unite behind one political party (The Grand Old Party.) However, every country goes through a major shake up of their political landscape every century or two and it appears to me that perhaps, unfortunately America is facing that now. I for one do put my camp ahead of my party and I never thought this would come in my life time, but I am also getting to the point where I am putting my state and region ahead of country. I have never been ashamed to be an Ohioan and a Midwesterner (of course by choice and not by birth,) but when I became a citizen, I was certainly an American first. In fact, some of my co-religionists feared that I put America ahead of GOD. Lately, I have questioned whether GOD still loves America. I suppose this doubt is both healthy and unhealthy.
Prior to 2010, I may have voted for one Conservative Democrat judge, I voted for a local Democrat once because their was no Republican running for that office and I voted for a local Independent in part because I felt he had the best chance of beating the Democrat. Other than that, I have voted straight Republican even when one could argue that the local Democrat was slightly better. I have finally have had enough, I voted for a few Constitutional and Libertarian candidates and well as Republicans last time. I feel that the party establishment failed to hold up to their end of the bargain so I will not automatically vote GOP anymore. I fear that America is on the verge of tipping to Socialism and thus, I believe in needs a hard Rightist to shock the country back into a boom. I was willing to compromise prior to 2010 for the good of the party and the good of the country, but I now question whether this is wise anymore.
- December 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM
Yes IG, even 15 months ago, Mr. Romney was arguably my second choice and I would have no problem voting for him or many other Republicans in the General election. You are basically correct that ideologically, I agree with him a lot more than I disagree with him. Further, essentially, 2 of the 3 things that I am hacked off with him about happened before I got politically mad at him. My souring on him and the party establishment in general is a result of two things. First, I think that because things have gotten bad in this country, I do not think it is the time for comprise. I truly think we need to either shock the political system by swinging to the other end of the spectrum, or let the country go worse for a while longer until there is a true revolt. Throughout most of history an easy going Center Right government is the best recipe for Progress and stability, but I think that this is the time to put feet down. To be sure this day has come faster than I would like or believed, but I think it is here nevertheless. The other reason is that I think that the party establishment no longer gets it. I neither accept nor understand their current view of the world. Perhaps, I will been in a better political mood over the next few years, perhaps, I am wrong about the country being at a cross roads or turning point and perhaps, the party establishment will make peace with the grass roots. Things can change and get back on track, but I do not see it.
As for Mr. Romney working harder than anybody else, I do not buy it. Basically he is simply able to raise PAC money from his friends and supporter and give it to various candidates. Some of these candidates are good and some are not as good. So from a Conservative point of view, I think it is a mixed bag. To Mr. Romney's credit he appears to be doing a good job attracting a support from various ethnic and racial groups. I am against quotas and Affirmative action per se, but it is promising that his camp has gotten its act together in terms of bringing certain people together. However, at this point, I still do not think they get the serious issues that the country faces and from what I see I do not think they have the solutions needed.
- December 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM
I enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for providing a bit of a window into what experiences have contributed to your thinking--fascinating for me.
- December 27, 2010 at 10:53 AM
- Doug NYC GOP said...
I re-read Pablo's post and I didn't get that he was insulting anyone on this site, who posts. If I missed something let me know. I doubt it was his motivation and it is not mine. He directed most of criticism at Ian Lazaran, a FPP at C4P. So unless you are Mr. Lazaran, I don't think there is an issue.
I have read some exchanges you have had with Nate G about the MRC site. While there may something in the chat box, he and the other authors there, don't post negative stories or refer to Palin in a negative tone, as they do at C4P. Again, if I missed something, let me know.
Regarding "growing some balls" - I've had mine all my life, and they have served me well. In fact I had them with me, when I registered at C4P recently and engaged in conversation. You should remember, because that is how Tex and you and I re-connected after the ROS Banning idiocy.
- December 27, 2010 at 12:32 PM
- illinoisguy said...
OJ, thanks for shedding some light on your viewpoint changes. Your showed me that I was wrong in my analyzation of where you had been and where you are now. You said, "As for Mr. Romney working harder than anybody else, I do not buy it. Basically he is simply able to raise PAC money from his friends and supporter and give it to various candidates."
If not Mitt, then who would you suggest has worked harder? Note that I'm not saying 'had more impact' because that is a judgement thing. I'm saying worked harder. He has been on the road constantly, leaving his family behind to try to hold together the kind of coalition it will take to win as a party. You say some of the people he supported were not so good; well the same can be said for Sarah, and everyone else I know. He wrote a wonderful book. Again, I doubt that you read it, and that if you had have, you would agree with the vast majority of his proposals and idealogy. He has written countless Op Eds. It's true that he didn't get as much press for his as some others did for theirs, but that should tell you something about who the MSM wants to keep in the forefront of the discussion. Mitt is down on paper, and internet on where he stands on the issues; he is extremely inlightened on all of the issues. I would presume to say I know of no one that could stand toe to toe with him with no notes and discuss the issues as eloquently and with as much depth of knowledge as Mitt Romney.
I guess what I am saying is that if we get Mitt Romney, we won't have to go through this evolutionary transition that you believe we must pass through. We can get back to the foundation principles of our country without the extra and unnecessary pain. Read his book; read his proposals. I'm just really disappointed in you when you throw the RINO thing his way. I would prefer you to let the lesser intelligent wing of your camp throw that garbage out there. Mitt is a great man, and will be a great president, and he will defend the conservative principles you value you much, and we won't have to become communistic before swinging back to the kind of nation we would both want. There is no need for the pendulum to swing as far as you must now think it necessary. About a year ago, it was still a big problem for you if Palin were to move your camp in a direction of third party. I thought I had detected a change in your attitude on that, and I was right. I sure hope I am right and you are wrong about where things are and how we are going to get to where we both want, because your path has a lot more grief and pain in it than mine does. I don't want to leave this earth knowing my kids and grandkids have to live under communism before somebody gets them back on track way down the road. I certainly don't think that is necessary.
- December 27, 2010 at 4:26 PM
- illinoisguy said...
My second sentence in the preceding post should have said "You showed me that I was not wrong in my analyzation of where you had been and where you are now."
- December 27, 2010 at 4:28 PM
"I sure hope I am right and you are wrong about where things are and how we are going to get to where we both want, because your path has a lot more grief and pain in it than mine does." Absolutely, yes such a senario would cause some level of pain. I could be wrong and it would be great if I in deed were wrong, but I have come to the believe that a certain amount of pain at some point appears unescapable.
First of all, while I maintain that Mr. Romney has a few liberals tendencies, I do not think that I (OHIO JOE) produce the word RINO that often. I might use a phase like 'mandate lover.' Yes that is not a nice term, but frankly it is no worse or crazy that what my camp leader has been called. You are right, I have not read Mr. Romney's book and thus I suppose, I do not know exactly where to put him on the political sprectrum. I think it is fair to say that he is somewaht of a Center Rightist, but somebody else can pinpoint his exact place. I have little doubt that he himself is Pro-Life, he has a foreign policies that I can live with (he has proven that he is quite knowledgable about certain countries in particular to boot) and despite having some liberal economic tendencies, he is no Socialist. So on paper, my problems with him are few.
The 6 Billion dollar question is: will he actually promote in the Presidency, the Conservative principles that he is supposed to have. This is where I have I serious doubts. My doubt started to appear near the end of 2009 and have kept growing in 2010. To be blunt the fact that he has been buddy with with the establishment such my state party chairman, is rather troubling. One of his other friends that trouble me is Mr. Brown. Hey, to a degree, I get the fact that MA is a liberal state that has more gender diversity than most other states, but to to keep saying that he needs to be moderate to appease his constituents does not cut it. This was a major disapointment for many people, and I for one will think long and hard before I donate money again to a politician from MA. Is there something in the water there. Sure, he may have weakened the bill behind the scenes, but the fact that he supported the Financial Services Bill as it was, was pure nuttuiness. Will we have to bail out more bills again. Him voting for the food bill was Stupid (unless somebody bribed him.) I know that there are not many farms in MA, but don't those people eat? I know he is just one example and most Romneyites are not nearly as nutty, but he is going to stand up to these guy??? I do not see, I am in no mood to roll the dice and take another chance. Yes at least Mr. Romney did have enough character to stand up to such characters on the tax deal, but often times, I did not see that he had the character to stand up against such characters.
- December 28, 2010 at 8:38 AM
- illinoisguy said...
We just see most of your last paragraph quite differently. Brown is way to left of the tolerable Republican, even in Massachusetts. Unfortunately, it really does seem that he is as far right as can be elected in Masachusetts at this time. Hopefully, that will change over time.
The rest of your paragraph I just see very differently. I can't say anything that would change your mind. Perhaps reading his book would help considerably. Many times a persons true character can come across as one peruses a few hundred pages written by their hand and produced by their mind. As you know I trust Mitt Romney to do the very same things you wish you could trust him on more than any other candidate. Not only do I trust him, but I see in him a greater work ethic than any candidate ever. He works like crazy 24/7, taking appropriate time off for worship and prayers, and some off for family, of course. In my mind, nobody is out there with the ability, intelligence, and drive to bring across much needed change. It would only take you a week or two to read his book. I pray you will and get to know this man much better. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
- December 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM
IG, with all due respect, Romney just isn't enough for some people in our party. It doesn't make them wrong or you right or your wrong and them right...it just is what it is. I am a proud Palin supporter and all of the things you see in Romney I see in Palin. Am I right...for me I am and I must assume that you're right for you. BUT, I do think it is a bit disingenuous of you to plead for more respectful discussions in one of your first sentences and then criticize OJ for not agreeing with you about Romney. IMO.
- December 28, 2010 at 11:40 PM
Pablo, I won't address the hypocrisy of your post, or maybe I will, you call for civil discourse while calling Palin supporters blind followers...are you serious?
If you actually took the time to honestly look at Palin's career you would see that she IS a center right politician. She has promoted smaller government her entire career. I honestly believe that you would admire Palin, as a person and a politician, if you stopped getting your marching orders from Frum and his forum.
- December 28, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Well said Jersey, it is difficult to oppose Mrs. Palin on the issues, so often the Anti-Palinites try to falsely paint her as an intellectual light-weight to put it politely. However, they get offended if we say something half as bad about their candidates. Their comeback of course is 'but it is actually true that Sarah is a nutball.' Yeah it is true because they repeated enough times. We can repeat things as well.
- December 29, 2010 at 9:23 AM
OJ, I think the behavior comparison between different camps is always one sided and its truths lie on which side you are on.
Palin detractors, on the right, use liberal tactics, from liberal sources and Junior High antics to try to bring down Palin. Palin supporters, for the most part, actually use candidate's positions as fuel.
Romney supporters say Palin is dumb, Palin supporters say Romney has trouble with the base and MassCare will be a big hurdle for him in the primaries and the general, if he manages to win the nomination. I ask you this...which criticism is more thought provoking?
- December 29, 2010 at 10:11 AM
Yes, Jersey it does not take a whole lot of brains to be an anti-Palinite, just go to Huffington or KOS and write their talking points. It gets old fast.
- December 29, 2010 at 2:02 PM
- Pablo said...
I don't think that you understand my plea for rational discourse. I am not saying that we can't have opinions. What I am saying is that we ought not to get our marching orders from any one person. The criticism that you just attached to Romney is a criticism that I have been stating for some time now. Let me repeat it again.
Romneycare = Obamacare - the federal government. And Romneycare will be a huge burden on Romney in the next two years.
You say that I get my marching orders from Frum. Yes, I respect him greatly, but I often disagree with him and I have posted my disagreements for everyone to see.
That is what I am talking about. I am going to think for myself. I am not going to allow someone else to think for me.
- December 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM
- Pablo said...
"Yes, Jersey it does not take a whole lot of brains to be an anti-Palinite, just go to Huffington or KOS and write their talking points. It gets old fast."
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Look at the polls. If you think that the only people who have a problem with Palin are left-wing progressives then you have a sad inability to read polls. There are serious charges to be made against a Palin candidacy and those charges are not left-wing talking points. If you expect me to criticize Romney (which I freqently do) then don't say that any criticism of Palin are leftists talking points.
- December 29, 2010 at 2:44 PM
Pablo, your plea for rational discourse includes your opinion that Palin supporters are blind followers? That is so utterly ridiculous and IG proves my point in this post. You see, with Romney supporters it is rational discourse to call Palin dumb and her supporters blind followers. Because in their mind it is true. In my mind MassCare is not conservative and some ways it is unAmerican...that's my opinion...is it rational discourse under your definition?
- December 29, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Pablo, per your response to OJ...can you tell me that Palin would have the same kind of negatives if Republicans, politicians and supporters of potential candidates, didn't go around spouting left wing anti-Palin talking points? Honestly? BUT, it is what it is and that's why it will be that much harder for her to win the nomination and the general but don't act like she is the cause of her problems. For instance...the word refudiate. Perhaps she typed the wrong letter, perhaps she just had a brain fart...is that really enough to say that she is stupid? What about the North Korea ally slip. Is that enough to garner the attention it received? How about when Obama said there were 57 states...am I to believe he actually thinks there are 57 states and he's stupid? This neverending quest to paint Palin as dumb is getting really old and really tired and the only reason it is occurring is because the Libs fear her and the establishment Republicans have seen what she has done to corrupt politicians in Alaska. If you cannot see this as one of the biggest efforts, by the MSM and the Dems and members of our own party, to bring down a political figure in the history of our republic...then you my friend are not paying attention. You don't have to agree with Palin, but you at least have to acknowledge it is going on.
- December 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM
My original comment were eaten, so I just comment on the last post.
"You see, with Romney supporters it is rational discourse to call Palin dumb and her supporters blind followers." Well said Jersey,
I'll be blunt Pablo, I could be wrong because I cannot read your mind or your heart, but you strike me as somebody (much more than most Romneyites) to look down on Palinites as stupid jokers. For the record, there are a few characters in our camp that are not the smartest bulbs in the package (you guys have a few too.) To make a long story short. It is interesting that you take offence when you think your intelligence is questioned, but you see no problem suggesting that our camp leader and our camp members are all nuts. I admit that I nor most of my fellow camp members are not rocket scientist, but let's just say we are not nearly as nutty as your mind thinks we are.
- December 29, 2010 at 3:26 PM
OJ, and that's one of the problems. The other camps are so dishonest that even when she does an unquestionable, good job...in their intellectually-dishonest minds she didn't write that speech or that op-ed or that book...she couldn't have because she is dumb. IT IS SO BORING!!! They say they will start taking her seriously when she starts doing real interviews on unfriendly networks...other than FOX. When she does these interviews...they act like it never happened and continue to say they will start taking her seriously when she starts doing more unfriendly interviews. She will never win in their minds.
Will she run...I hope so, in fact, I believe she has to if she wants to continue to have a career in politics...either as a pundit and activist or as a politician. Hopefully, for them, that they have watched her 2006 debates and paid attention to her campaigning because they will not know what's coming when and if she decides to run.
- December 29, 2010 at 3:28 PM
Well said OJ!!! I for one know for a fact that I am smarter and more honest than a lot of the commenters on this site...mainly a good portion of the Romney supporters but go right ahead and attack my intelligence or my supposed inability to think for myself. You see what these drones(not you Pablo...for the most part you seem to be a good dude) don't seem to realize is that I have thought for myself and that is what lead me away from Romney and I am probably more of an independent Republican or moderate Republican than most Romney supporters are.
- December 29, 2010 at 3:33 PM
- Pablo said...
Again, my definition of rational discourse=
Rational discourse = thinking for oneself and not blindly following a personality
There is a lot of that going on on all camps, but it appears to me that there is a lot more going on at C4Palin. Palin has a much stronger following than any other person out there. Yet, there is a huge gulf between what her supporters think of her and what the general population thinks of her. This is a huge problem for the conservative movement.
As to your comment about whether Palin made her bed or the Republican leaders made it for her. Palin's problems started with the interviews during the presidential election and continued when she quit her job and refused live interviews for nearly two years. 'Refudiate' was just icing on the cake. It was not the cause. In fact, I rushed to her defense on the North Korea flap. That was clearly a slip of the tongue. But don't act like Palin is the victim here. She is not. She doesn't seem to care about public policy, because she rarely speaks about it.
Would you not agree that to say that Palin appears to be inexperience and misinformed is not a fair criticism?
- December 29, 2010 at 3:35 PM
- Pablo said...
I apologize if I have come across like that to you. I honestly can say that I genuinely respect you and JR and RW. That is one of the great things about this site is that there is room for me and you. Please keep up the good work. There needs to be a counterbalance to me if we are going to have genunine debate.
- December 29, 2010 at 3:37 PM
I am also sorry if was harsh. I guess it was good that my first comment was eaten up because even though I disagree with you often, I certainly do not think you are stupid.
- December 29, 2010 at 3:44 PM
Pablo, first how can you compare the comments made on a site like this or ROS or Race to c4p? RS, ROS and Race are designed to promote Republican candidates, C4P is in existence to promote Sarah Palin. There's no comparison. Compare it to Huck's Army or MRC or some other site designed for one specific candidate.
Please don't mince my words...I did not say that ONLY the Republican leaders made her bed for her...it was primarily led by the Left Wing of the Democrat Party and the activist MSM. I would be the first to admit that some of Palin's early gaffes caused a domino effect for her in negatives, even though I could also argue that only the Couric interview did Palin actually mess up bad and even there I buy Palin's part of the story, but she definitely could have done a better job. Her detractors were trying to tear Palin apart way before those interviews. I'm sure you remember the multitude of stories that claimed she wasn't her Down Syndromes son's mother, or that she tried to ban certain library books...etc.
You claim she doesn't care about public policy yet she has been in the forefront, of the opposition, of Obama's agenda since day one. She has written multiple op-eds that have received critical acclaim, she was a speaker on foreign policy at a major Hong Kong event where she stood up, very Presidential, and spoke to the people of China about the goodness of the United States and the problems in the eastern markets. If you really would care enough to be more informed...which you seem like you do...you would research her a little more. Trust me it will be difficult...there is a lot of nonsense you have to wade through to get to the truth...here's a hint...if the site says something absolutely ridiculous about Palin...then it probably isn't true...like how she doesn't know that Africa is a continent. Also she is an energy expert...or at least as much of an expert as any politician is on any one subject...probably akin to Romney being an expert in business.
I aso agree that her resignation as Governor of Alaska didn't help and part of me wishes she would have fought more just so they didn't get the satisfaction of being able to call her a quitter but if you honestly look at what was happening on the ground, in Alaska, nobody should blame her for getting out of the way of the onslaught of bullets. She had millions of dollars of lawsuits against her that would have personally bankrupted her and cost the state of Alaska millions of dollars and thousands of hours of wasted time and resources. And for what...because she had the nerve to accept the VP slot against Obama.
I will agree that she has a perception about her that will be hard to break but I would like to think that Republicans...members of her own team would be honest and decent enough to look past the silly rumors and opinions and find the truth.
Are you capable of that?
- December 29, 2010 at 4:03 PM
Damn! I just wrote a long response to you Pablo but it didn't post and was erased. I just spent about 10 or 15 minutes drafting it...check back later and I'll rewrite it.
- December 29, 2010 at 4:07 PM
Pablo, as promised.
Listen, I'm half-heartedly rewriting this comment because, quite frankly, I am tired of this argument...I am tired of having this discussion.
So to keep it brief.
I would not agree that saying, "Palin appears to be inexperienced or misinformed is a fair criticism."
Honestly, the people who say that are not paying attention...nor do they care to. I believe that the people who go to such great lengths to demean Sarah Palin, a person who did nothing but agree to be on a Presidential ticket and fight hard for that ticket, are either political opponents or are people who believe the twisted stories about her since she first agreed to be on the national stage.
In the past I have challenged you to watch her 2006 Alaskan debates and to follow the many successes she had while serving as Governor...have you? Did you know she fulfilled every campaign promise she promised the Alaskan people in the 2 and 1/2 years she served as their Governor...that alone must impress you?
You believe, "rational discourse = thinking for oneself and not blindly following a personality," yet you fail to consider the notion that maybe Palin supporters aren't just blindly following a personality...maybe they are thoughtfully supporting a person who they believe in based on Sarah Palin's beliefs, her proven successes and for her vision of, and for, America?
It's apparent you have not taken the time to research Palin's record or even her stances on the issues yet you blindly follow a meme that she is uninformed because she had one bad interview over two years ago and because she resigned as Governor of Alaska.
Where's your "rational discourse?"
- December 30, 2010 at 9:22 AM
"yet you fail to consider the notion that maybe Palin supporters aren't just blindly following a personality...maybe they are thoughtfully supporting a person who they believe in based on Sarah Palin's beliefs, her proven successes and for her vision of, and for, America?" Again, well said Jersey. Shhhhhh, here is the secret: If you want Palinites to consider supporting somebody other than Mrs. Palin, provide a reasonable alternative.
- December 30, 2010 at 9:47 AM
- Pablo said...
"It's apparent you have not taken the time to research Palin's record or even her stances on the issues yet you blindly follow a meme that she is uninformed because she had one bad interview over two years ago and because she resigned as Governor of Alaska."
She had two bad interviews over two years ago and hasn't done a real interview since. Then when the times got tough, she resigned after two and a half years as governor of Alaska. Is Palin an effective leader? Well, we don't know, because we have only briefly seen her in action. Does Palin understand or care about public policy? Well we don't know because she rarely talks public policy and she rarely does tough interviews.
One thing is for sure OJ and JR. Palin does deserve a chance and so I will give it to her. But I want to see her go beyond reality superstar to a serious candidate who cares deeply about public policy. Right now, she is very good at staying in the spotlight, but can she come up with the tough and difficult solutions to the problems we face? We will see.
And I know that you are tired of this complaint against Palin, but it isn't going away. Palin must overcome it, just like Romney must overcome his health care policies. If Palin wants to overcome it, she should stop blaming the media for everything and go see Katie Couric again. And anyone else who wants to ask her a question.
- December 30, 2010 at 12:15 PM
Pablo, again Palin had one bad interview over 2 years ago...nobody with any brains thinks the Gibson interview was all that bad. Her only problem, in that interview, was the Bush Doctrine question which she actually answered according to what Gibson, himself, defined it as back in 2003. The phrase was coined by Krauthammer, who is quoted as saying, "that according to Gibson's definition...he doesn't even know what the Bush Doctrine is.
BUT, I guess I'll have to give it to you...2 interviews. So, I must assume that until she is on either 60 minutes or Meet the Press, then she hasn't done an unfriendly interview? PAY MORE ATTENTION.
Also, I think you should research the reasons as to why she resigned as Governor...personal bankruptcy and wasting millions of dollars of Alaska's money came into play...I guess that's not a good enough reason for you?
And, once again she talks public policy plenty. She led the fight against ObamaCare, she has had key foreign policy speeches, national defense speeches, she is an energy expert...akin to Romney's expertise in business. I don't know what more you want from her? She is out, on the front lines, fighting everyday for conservative causes.
I do agree she has work to do to change public perception but most negative public perception, at this stage, is still superficial. If she runs, let the contested primary and its debates decide if she is a serious candidate.
You claim that she deserves a chance and you will give it to her, yet every time you write about her, it seems your mind is made up. It also seems it is made up due to false information. If you really want to give her a chance...then research her career, watch her 2006 gubernatorial debates. I'm pretty sure you haven't even read her op-ed on quantitative easing or even one page of her books.
You can't keep an open mind when you close your eyes and cover your ears...
- December 30, 2010 at 2:35 PM
- Pablo said...
I don't agree with your perception of Palin, but I will try to give her a chance. I have developed a bias against her and I don't want to get to a position where I can't admit when she is right. So I will try to think more rationally about her.
I can't promise that I won't write negative things about her in the future, but I do promise to try to give her a chance. When the presidential campaign season roles around, we ought to give all of the candidates a fair shake.
- December 30, 2010 at 9:47 PM
Pablo, I always have commended you on your ability to admit when you were either wrong, or could have done better. Most people wouldn't...I try to be that type of person but I ultimately fall short on many occasions. I, personally, am glad you have joined this site and that you contribute in the manner that you do.
Open discussions about all the issues, not just the hot button issue of the day, is what will make this site grow in popularity. This site was beginning to look like a pro-Romney, anti-Palin site but your efforts, and the efforts of some of your other colleagues, are beginning to to change that. I look forward to having more, respectful, heated discussions with you in the New Year. If I was at all rude during our conversation then I, wholeheartedly, apologize.
Happy New Year,
- December 31, 2010 at 10:24 AM
- Pablo said...
Happy New Year to you too.
- December 31, 2010 at 9:00 PM


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Last year's hot, dry conditions challenged everyone's gardens. At Vicki's 200-year-old log cabin in the North Carolina mountains, learn how to re-plant with hardy plants and install a DIY watering system. Sloan creates colorful garden lights by recycling cans and Billy Styles offers organic pest control solutions.
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A highly admired maverick producer known for making incisive films on tight budgets, Ingrid Veninger has more recently emerged as a skilled director in her own right. "MODRA," her first solo feature debut, is an entrancing character study that showcases her remarkable talent.
Veninger's gift (revealed in her contributions to "Only" and "Nurse. Fighter. Boy") lies in connecting strangers together under unusual and intimate circumstances and delicately mining the vicissitudes. In "MODRA," we meet two restless teens who barely know each other: the sunny, quietly confident Lina (Hallie Switzer) and the intense yet vulnerable Leco (Alexander Gammal).
On a whim, Lina invites Leco on her summer trip to visit her extended family in Modra, Slovakia. The teens' questionable motivations are not masked with any romantic pretenses. Lina simply wants a new travel companion after getting dumped by her boyfriend and Leco is just looking to hook up. In this way, the film begins with remarkable candor and sets the tone for an authentic portrait of teenaged self-discovery and desire.
The community of Modra and the hospitality of Lina's family are captured with warmth and humor. Although the teens are mistaken for a couple, Veninger eschews holiday romance clichés and it soon becomes evident that Lina and Leco actually have little in common. But when events take an intimate turn, it sets off intense reverberations of actions and emotions that promise to have a lasting impact on their lives. A cousin to Linklater's "Before Sunrise," Modra offers an insightful perspective on Generation Y.
The film's sun-soaked hues illuminate the teens as they wander old-world streets and endless meadows, while a cool folk-rock score complements the film's meditative feel.
True to her fearless producing roots, Veninger takes risks, notably with a cast that consists entirely of first-time actors, many of whom are family. Most striking is her naturally confident direction and the way she gives characters and moments time and space to breathe. In a country where women tend to occupy the role of producer more often than director, Veninger's ability to cross over is inspiring. [Synopsis courtesy of Agata Smoluch Del Sorbo/Toronto International Film Festival]


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Skip to comments.Reaching Out Quietly to Muslims in America
Posted on 04/18/2010 7:56:18 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
SNIP The impact of this continuing dialogue is difficult to measure, but White House officials cited several recent government actions that were influenced, in part, by the discussions. The meeting with Ms. Napolitano was among many factors that contributed to the governments decision this month to end a policy subjecting passengers from 14 countries, most of them Muslim, to additional scrutiny at airports, the officials said.
That emergency directive, enacted after a failed Dec. 25 bombing plot, has been replaced with a new set of intelligence-based protocols that law enforcement officials consider more effective.
Also this month, Tariq Ramadan, a prominent Muslim academic, visited the United States for the first time in six years after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reversed a decision by the Bush administration, which had barred Mr. Ramadan from entering the country, initially citing the U.S.A. Patriot Act. Mrs. Clinton also cleared the way for another well-known Muslim professor, Adam Habib, who had been denied entry under similar circumstances.
Arab-American and Muslim leaders said they had yet to see substantive changes on a variety of issues, including what they describe as excessive airport screening, policies that have chilled Muslim charitable giving and invasive F.B.I. surveillance guidelines. But they are encouraged by the extent of their consultation by the White House and governmental agencies.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
IF we keep telling them we don't feel it or we like it them "poo-tang-guing" us, they'll keep their sodomy all the better.
Must be a big new RAmadan today for the heralding of the great evil of Islam over the world... Ah, slave we have become... we like to learn from Islam, don't we... let us be it... the hard way if we like it that way then.
It's the fed gov deal with the devil... we must love evil of islam in order to become the slave of the statists. Roosevelt admired Stalin in the same way Stalin admired Hitler and in the same way Zeroites love "Obamaminoidist Islamism".
The Muzzies are playing this asshole like a fiddle . I cannot believe there are not those in the military that are planning to take over the country over in an emergency and arrest this POS . This Marxist bastard will be the death of us.
And when planes start blowing up in the sky again, the NYT will be the first to cover for "Big Sis".
I can't wait for this nightmare to be over.
Where is the ACLU????
Better we should "reach out" to Islam with a big stick instead.
Thanks Jet Jaguar.
Obama's Billions For Jihad
Obamas 2009 Supplemental Appropriations for Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Pandemic Flu was revised and "passed by the full committee." Not sure what the next step is, but based on the summary, it gives billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to countries and entities that support Sharia law and/or harbor, hide and support those who want to destroy the U.S. and our allies.
Read the summary http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/PressSummary05-07-09.pdf
from David Obeys office that was quietly released last week with nary a word from any media.
$3.6 billion, matching the request, to expand and improve capabilities of the Afghan security forces
$400 million, as requested, to build the counterinsurgency capabilities of the Pakistani security forces
Afghanistan: $1.52 billion, $86 million above the request
West Bank and Gaza: $665 million in bilateral economic, humanitarian, and security assistance for the West Bank and Gaza
Jordan: $250 million, $250 million above the request, including $100 million for economic and $150 million for security assistance
Egypt: $360 million, $310 million above the request, including $50 million for economic assistance, $50 million for border security, and $260 million for security assistance
Pakistan: $1.9 billion, $591 million above the request
Iraq: $968 million, $336 million above the request
Oversight: $20 million, $13 million above the request, to expand oversight capacity of the State Department, USAID, and the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan to review programs in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq
Lebanon: $74 million
International Food Assistance: $500 million, $200 million above the request, for PL 480 international food assistance to alleviate suffering during the global economic crisis
Refugee Assistance: $343 million, $50 million above the request, including humanitarian assistance for Gaza. Funding for the UN Relief and Works Agency programs in the West Bank and Gaza is limited to $119 million (Note: Gaza = Hamas)
Disaster Assistance: $200 million to avert famines and provide life-saving assistance during natural disasters and for internally displaced people around the world, including Somalia, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, the Middle East and South Asia
Peacekeeping: $837 million for United Nations peacekeeping operations, including an expanded mission in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and a new mission in Chad and the Central African Republic
Department of Justice: $17 million, matching the request, for counter-terrorism activities and to provide training and assistance for the Iraqi criminal justice system
The mainstream media remains silent on this but the International News http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=22164
has now picked up the story — and then there is Obamas $108 billion IMF bailout scheme http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/13/obamas-100-billion-imf-bailout-scheme/ in addition to the Supplemental.
Obama has asked Congress http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/obama-asks-congress-to-allow-us-funds-to-terrorist-hamas-govt/
to let aid to Palestinians continue if Hamas backers are included in a new unity government, observers say.
The proposed change in U.S. law would be necessary because Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, is designated as a terrorist organization and therefore cannot receive U.S. aid. But power-sharing negotiations between Hamas and the rival Fatah faction, which controls the West Bank, may result in a unity Palestinian government that includes ministers backed by Hamas, the Los Angeles Times reported.
The White House sought the change as part of a bill authorizing $840 million for the Palestinian Authority as well as for rebuilding Gaza after this years 22-day Israeli military assault.
The Hamas proposal brought criticism from U.S. lawmakers, the Times said — one of whom, U.S. Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, R-Ill., said the move was akin to supporting a government that "only has a few Nazis in it."
"We dont want to bind our hands in the event that such a (Palestinian unity) agreement is reached, and the government that they are part of agrees to our principles," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reportedly replied.
So as not to confuse, Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood organization whos sole purpose is the destruction of Israel — anyone who thinks otherwise should read Hamas in their own words via the Hamas Covenant http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/obama-asks-congress-to-allow-us-funds-to-terrorist-hamas-govt/
which lays out their purpose, goals, and ideology.
In the midst of what is being called the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, where our government has created the largest deficit in history, giving a billion to anyone is insane. But giving a billion dollars to a self-proclaimed Islamic jihadist group that has stated the United States as its enemy is beyond insanity, and it needs to stop.
"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance."
Barack Hussein Obama
"it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit"
Barack Hussein Obama
"We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country."
Barack Hussein Obama
"The contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country"
Barack Hussein Obama
"I have lived in a Muslim-majority country... I know, because I am one of them."
Barack Hussein Obama
"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam."
Barack Hussein Obama
"Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."
Barack Hussein Obama
"And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States."
Barack Hussein Obama
"And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."
Barack Hussein Obama
"Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one's religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it."
Barack Hussein Obama
"We are not nor have we even been at war with Islam"
Barack Hussein Obama
Nothing like footing the bill for your own murder.
Do you think there's MORE?
That dirty Muslim Marxist bastard.
Honest to God, how insane will he go to about
willingly invite the next attack ?????
Also this month, Tariq Ramadan, a prominent Muslim academic, visited the United States for the first time in six years after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton reversed a decision by the Bush administration, which had barred Mr. Ramadan from entering the country, initially citing the U.S.A. Patriot Act. Mrs. Clinton also cleared the way for another well-known Muslim professor, Adam Habib, who had been denied entry under similar circumstances.
I know and I know you read how thrilled John Zogby is now also!
And yet, this isn't the NYT's piece that Drudge says is....developing
Tariq Ramadan, who was barred from the United States under President George W. Bush, spoke to a New York audience in April.
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STERLING – Florence Cunningham knows firsthand the benefits of the Experience Works program.
Experience Works helps low-income adults 55 and older get back into the workforce by giving them 18 hours a week of training to help them land jobs. And they get paid for their time.
The program covers 10 counties, including Lee and Whiteside, and it has openings for participants and for businesses or organizations willing to help them.
Cunningham, 70, of Rock Falls, joined the program in 2007 as a participant.
"I was looking for a job. I couldn't find one," she said. "This was advertised in the paper; I came and did an interview. It's very, very exciting. He [Lloyd Pletsch] got me in with Sinnissippi Centers, working with teenagers."
Pletsch, then the director of employment training, retired in 2010, and Cunningham applied for and got the job. Her title now is employment and training coordinator.
Seniors who participate in the program are provided information and support services necessary to "gain self-sufficiency and obtain regular employment while meeting the needs of local community organizations and employers," Cunningham said.
"We look for an individual that is looking to go back into the workforce," she said. "Someone that's interested and can be on time."
Participants train at places like the YMCA, YWCA, Red Cross, local libraries and museums. They must meet certain income guidelines to take part, and are paid $8.25 an hour.
They also are trained in computer use. They learn how to create resumes and cover letters, and skills such as speaking and projecting their voice in a professional setting, Cunningham said.
Many people don't think they have what it takes to be a part of Experience Works and rejoin the workforce, she said.
"Lot of participants tell me, 'I'm too old.' I tell them, no, you're not.' A lot of participants that don't have their GED, first thing they tell me is, 'I'm too old.' They're not too old."
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Dormilee Ellen Feustel, age 78, born and raised in Ridgway, died Nov. 15, 2010, at 9:55 a.m. at Conestoga View in Lancaster, under Hospice Care. She resided with her daughter, Cheryl Keener for many years in East Petersburg, until October 2010 after a terminal illness. She married John B. Feustel, he predeceased her on July 31, 1973. She was a member of the Trinity Reformed United Church of Christ in Mountsville.She is survived by her daughter, Cheryl Keener and son Mark Feustel (Cindy) of Colorado Springs, Colo.; and by the following brothers and sisters: Louise Larson of Conn., Robert Matha of Apollo, Richard Matha, Nancy Rosetti, Dolores Kriegish and Peggy Mitchell, all of Ridgway; grandchildren Joshua Keener, Amanda Mitcheltree and Chris Mitcheltree of Lancaster, John Feustel of Rochester, N.Y., and Sarah York (Feustel) of Colorado. She is the great-grandmother to Judah Asher York and Fox Alan Mitcheltree.She was predeceased by her husband; a daughter, Amy Louise Feustel; and by a sister, Betty Birch.Dormilee had many musical accomplishments including singing for many weddings. One of her favorite recognitions was directing and starring as the Mother Abbess in the Sound of Music in November 1969 as part of the Footlighters Theater Group of Elk County.Memorial services for Dormilee Feustel will be held on Friday evening, Dec. 3, 2010 at 6 p.m. in the Trinity United Methodist Church. Officiating will be Rev. David C. Roddy, pastor. Interment will be in Parklawn Memorial Gardens. Memorial donations may be made to Hospice of Lancaster County, 685 Good Drive, P.O. Box 4125, Lancaster, PA 17604-0149. Funeral arrangements are under the direction of the Meehan-Shilk Funeral Home.


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I was complaining to a friend about my insomnia a few months ago. (I've had it ever since I can remember)
My friend said he used to suffer from insomnia but is now cured. He told me a method for falling asleep that I thought I'd pass on, because it seems to be working for me, too.
I thought it might work well for SP'ers. So, I pass it on. Here goes:
As your falling asleep, pretend your going down a spiral staircase. Along the wall there is a door. Open the door. Imagine your looking out over a landscape - a field of tall grass, the waves crashing on the beach, the snowy mountains, a meadow, a glacier stream - anything. (This part should be easy for Sp'ers!) When your done looking at the scene, close the door, go down the staircase and open the second door. There you will find a whole different landscape. Rarely do I get past 3 doors.
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Liberty State Delivery
Liberty State Delivery (LSD) is a delivery, and possibly postal, company presumably servicing Liberty City and Liberty State in Grand Theft Auto IV and Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars.
The organization has no prominence in GTA IV, with next to no role in any of the games' storylines. However, it is prevalently based in a large public building (resembling the James Farley Post Office) in Middle Park East, Algonquin, while certain Yankee trucks feature the LSD corporate logo.
Like Los Santos Delivery and the Liberty Sanitation Department, the Liberty State Delivery's abbreviation references lysergic acid diethylamide, a hallucinogenic drug commonly known as LSD.


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If taxpayers want to see how Washington spending has led to a record $16.4 trillion debt, Tuesday's passage of $50.7 billion loosely tied to Superstorm Sandy offers several examples.
If taxpayers want to see how Washington spending has led to a record $16.4 trillion debt, Tuesday's passage of $50.7 billion loosely tied to Superstorm Sandy offers several examples.
Americans certainly want to assist victims of the late-October storm. Yet the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office reported that only $9.7 billion would be spent for Sandy relief in all of 2013. Rather than vote on the Senate's huge $60 billion Sandy package during the "fiscal cliff" showdown, the House instead approved an extra $9.7 billion for federal flood insurance claims. That was signed into law Jan. 6.
So, when the House passed Tuesday's package by a 241-180 vote, what sort of projects were approved?
— $17 billion for more immediate Sandy recovery needs
— $10.9 billion for public transportation projects in northeastern states
— $12.1 billion in Department of Housing and Urban Development emergency block grants for any state hit by a federally declared disaster in 2011, 2012 or this year.
— $821 million to dredge harbors, including Mississippi River cities like St. Louis
— $150 million for fisheries, some as far away as Alaska
— $125 million for Head Start
— $50 million for replanting trees on private land damaged by wildfires
While some of this will strengthen infrastructure and perhaps decrease future damage, most of it is pork barrel spending unrelated to Sandy. Recent earmark restrictions limit congressmen's ability to funnel federal dollars to their home districts. To get around those rules, such projects are often bundled into so-called emergency bills that actually have little to do with the emergency. Qualifying for the HUD grants, for example, would be all but three U.S. states: Arizona, South Carolina and Michigan.
Can anyone explain how western or southern states needed "Sandy aid"?
Beyond the fiction of labeling fishery aid for Alaska or wildfire replanting as Sandy aid, there is a larger problem — Congress has no idea where to find $60 billion needed to pay for both the extra federal flood insurance claims, plus Tuesday's wish list.
Not spending extra money should not be a partisan issue, but it seemed like one among Michigan's congressional delegation. Members of one party all voted against the $50.7 billion package. Members of the other party all voted in favor.
When politicians describe the looming "debt ceiling" as simply a matter of paying the bills, taxpayers should point to Tuesday's so-called Sandy relief bill. It's an example of how Washington's obese spending creates those ruinous bills.
Correction: The $150 million for U.S. fisheries in the Senate's version of the aid package was reduced to $5 million for New York and New Jersey fisheries in the final House version passed.


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Each fall, second-year students can compete in an intramural appellate advocacy competition in which competitors prepare and present oral arguments from a pre-written brief. Depending on the number of competitors, between two and four finalists are invited to join the Moot Court Board. The winner of the Omar Megahed Competition competes in the competition of winner's choice (1^st pick!) in the 3L year. This informational meeting will tell you everything you need to know to prepare for the competition.
Omar Megahed took his Moot Court Board team to win the Chicago Bar National Moot Court Competition in 1995. His spirit of excellence is embodied in this competition.
*ABA Law Student Division Competitions Entry Deadlines are Approaching*
Law students who wish to hone their critical thinking and legal skills while gaining hands-on practical experience are invited to enter one or more of the American Bar Association Law Student Division competitions.
The ABA Law Student Division is now accepting entry forms for the following competitions:
* Client Counseling Competition (entry deadline is October 24)
* National Appellate Advocacy Competition (entry deadline is November 7)
Details about the competitions, as well as online entry forms and a pdf of the Competition Poster, can be found on the Competitions website at www.abanet.org/lsd/competitions <http://maestro.abanet.org/trk/click?ref=zpqri74vj_3-6f1ex3a341x113329&>.
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Mission Order?
Now, on the article, it says you do Yusuf's missions in this order:
- Sexy Time
- For the Man Who Has Everything
- Caught with your Pants Down
- High Dive
While I'm sure I did them in this order:
- Sexy Time
- High Dive
- Caught with your Pants Down
- For the Man Who Has Everything
Has anything changed during the swap to PS3, or is there a failure on the article?
--Stankers 22:18, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
Yusuf is 31? hes the same age as roman. they would get along famously
Unique Hexer
I play on the PS3 and I can't find the unique gold Hexer outside, but a gold Vader spawns instead. Does it have something to do with the console differnces or is it just not spawning? EB683 05:02, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think Yusuf appears inChinese Takeout. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Karzi556 (talk|edits) 14:07, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


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November 13, 2012 > Preparing for Thanksgiving
The freezers are empty and ready; Tri-Cities League of Volunteers (LOV) is waiting for 320 turkeys & 80 hams... so far there are none. Last year, 5,485 were served either at the Newark Pavilion or to the homebound in Fremont, Newark, Union City, Hayward, San Leandro, San Lorenzo and Castro Valley.Besides turkeys, there is need for: 500 pies (all kinds - not just pumpkin), 600 oval aluminum roasting pans, 250 loaves of sandwich bread and all the other ingredients to make it a memorable Thanksgiving holiday for those who would spend the day alone and those who do not have the resources, either money or shelter, to enjoy the traditional Thanksgiving meal and fellowship.This is a joint effort by "Partner's In Giving", 31 Tri-City & Hayward service agencies who will offer an afternoon of good food, entertainment, and children's crafts. In addition we will try to give a free bag of food to every guest, depending on donations received. In order to make it easier for guests without transportation, volunteers will be personally picked up in Fremont, Newark and Union City. All guests have to do is call LOV's Program Director, Joanne Paletta, at 491-3799 (cell) to dispatch a "Turkey Taxi" for a ride. For those who are homebound, meals will be delivered. For homebound meals call LOV at 793-5683.DONATIONS NEEDEDHams (boneless/pre-cooked), turkeys, canned chicken broth, yams, string beans & corn, cooked pies, sliced pickles, black olives, cookies, take home meal containers, instant mashed potato mix, oval aluminum roasting pans, butter (both patties & cubes), Chinette divided dinner plates, dessert plates, baked pies, brown sugar, grocery bags, large lunch bags, mayonnaise packets, sandwich bread, sandwich bags, dinner rolls, coffee (regular & decaf), tablecloths, dinner napkins, sliced pie containers, mini marshmallows, baby food, bottled water, styrofoam coffee cups, paper towels, turkey roasting bags, charcoal, charcoal lighter, aluminum foil and Saran Wrap.Monetary donations are very welcome to purchase what is not donated. Checks should be payable to LOV, marked "for Thanksgiving" and mailed to 36120 Ruschin Drive, Newark, CA 94560. Your donation is tax deductable - our 501c 3 Federal ID # is 94-2638329. We expect the need to be as great this year.VOLUNTEERS NEEDEDThere are many opportunities to give of yourself this holiday. From November 20 through November 22 - you can: cook a turkey or ham - carve - prepare dressing, or mashed potatoes - bake pies - deliver homebound meals - pick up donations - pack food bags set tables - decorate - serve dinner - clean up - and more. Thanksgiving Dinner will be held on Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, November 22, 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.For more information, visit: www.lov. or call LOV at (510) 793-5683


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Van Persie Vows to Hit New Heights at Unitedإقرأ هذا الخبر بالعربية
Robin van Persie insists he is yet to hit peak form despite making a sparkling start to his Manchester United striker.
Van Persie has scored 13 goals in 19 appearances for United since his £24 million pre-season move from Arsenal, but the Dutch star had some bad news for Premier League defenders on Friday as he admitted he isn't completely happy with his performances.
The 29-year-old has helped United to the top of the Premier League, yet he believes he can still deliver more goals and assists, starting in Sunday's showdown with title rivals Manchester City at Eastlands.
"When you are wanted by everyone it gives you wings," van Persie told MUTV.
"I am happy here and everyone looks very happy to have me here. But I am not satisfied. If you look at the stats, 13 goals in 19 games, it is OK.
"But I want better and more. I want more goals, more assists. I want to go for everything that it is possible this year."
United hold a three-point advantage over second placed City, but their bitter rivals will replace them on top of the table with a victory on Sunday as they have a superior goal difference.
And van Persie acknowledges United's poor defending this season has to improve if they are to keep ahead in the title race and also thrive in the Champions League.
"I do (accept United have not been playing at their best). But I just come back to the winning part," Van Persie said.
"We have been winning. We are first in the league, first in the Champions League.
"Everyone would have signed for that a couple of months ago. Up to now we can accept it. It is good.
"Now we have to improve. If you just take away a couple of the goals we gave away in away games, we would have made life easier for ourselves."
After several years playing for an Arsenal side that struggled to challenge for major honours, van Persie is just relishing the chance to compete for silverware.
He has no doubts that United manager Alex Ferguson is the key to their success and paid tribute to the Scot's ability to inspire his players with his team talks.
"The way he gets us ready for the games is different class," van Persie said.
"Those speeches are very important for every single one of us. The things he says, when he says them, before the match, during the match and after it.
"It is very direct. It is all spot on and very honest. I love that. We Dutch people like to be straight and honest and he tells you how it is.
"If it is good, it is good. If it is not good enough he will tell you, so you have to improve straight away.
"That is what I like. No one can play 10 games and play well in all 10. You always have a couple of games where it is not going so well. You have to deal with that."


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From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro
Clinton, per her campaign, has just picked up her second labor union endorsement this week -- from the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. The endorsement comes a few days after some of the Democratic presidential candidates (including Clinton, Edwards, and Kucinich) spoke to the union. The IAM also endorsed Huckabee in the GOP race.
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The Government of Mozambique has requested that the World Food Programme (WFP) provides emergency food assistance for one month to 60,000 people affected by cyclone Jokwe in the northern province of Nampula.
• The Government of Mozambique has requested that the World Food Programme (WFP) provides emergency food assistance for one month to 60,000 people affected by cyclone Jokwe in the northern province of Nampula.
• WFP plans to begin distributing food assistance to communities affected by Jokwe early next week using existing stocks that were earmarked for other operations. WFP needs US$550,000 to replenish these stocks as soon as possible.
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Ace, is there an article you can link or post without the graphic content? I'd like to know why children are being beheaded.edit:it may be more complicated than just religious motivation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgency
Quote from: screwtape on January 30, 2012, 12:05:02 PMAce, is there an article you can link or post without the graphic content? I'd like to know why children are being beheaded.edit:it may be more complicated than just religious motivation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Thailand_insurgencyhttp://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/NA19Ae02.htmlThis looks like its a reasonable breakdown of what's happening.
Following on from the previous piece, which was a response to Matthew Parris's piece "As an Atheist, I truly Believe Africa Needs God", a few more thoughts on using religion as a social tool.Perhaps the right way to think about religion as a tool is as a catalyst. It does seem to have a supercharging power. Take our tendency to strive to improve our collective lot, to be benevolent and caring, etc. Add a pinch of religion, and the tendency is magnified.However, the catalytic power works just as well with negative tendencies, such as the desire to dominate and exploit. Take the subjugation of women, mix in a few drops of the heady brew of religion, and watch how much more entrenched and hard-to-shift the subjugation becomes; add a few drops more, and watch how some become sufficiently intoxicated to start flinging acid in the faces of young girls who dare to attend school. Add a dollop of religion to homophobia, and suddenly the attitude becomes far more difficult to shift, grounded as it now seems to be in holy scripture. Mix some religion into an oppressive regime, and watch how its domination is magnified by the thoughts that God is on their side, that God has ordained them as leaders, that those who reject them are the enemies of God, etc. Take one slightly dodgy but charismatic leader, rub on a bit of religious snake-oil, and watch as he - it's almost always a he - takes on the irresistable persuasive powers of a David Koresh or the Reverend Jim Jones.The catalytic power of religion is, in and of itself, morally neutral.Yes, Parris can point to its application in positive ways, and can note how effective it has been in magnifying the positive. Dramatically effective.But then, it has, often as not, magnified the negative. Dramatically.Moreoever, once evangelical religion has been introduced into a community, it's a bugger to deal with when things start to go wrong. Attitudes can metamorphize fairly quickly, so that what started out as benign can quickly become highly toxic. And now you're really in trouble, because, being evangelically religious, it's now going to be very hard for any rational arguments and objections to reach them.Introducing evangelical religion into a situation where there is already a great deal of corruption, homophobia, misogynism, etc. and yes, you may get some good impressive short-term effects. More dramatic effects than you could get by other means. But, boy, you are playing with fire.Secularist, humanist views combined with a rational rather than a faith-based approach to problems may not have the short-term positive effects of evangelical religion. I admit they probably lack the dramatic impact religion can have.But, over the long haul, such views are, I'd suggest, far more constructive and beneficial. And far less risky. I point to how Western civilization has gradually improved over the last 400 years since the Enlightenment.Of course these are largely assertions, not here backed up by evidence, etc. But I think they are plausible claims and put them up for discussion (n.b. I know some religious folk will at this point start banging on about how the Holocaust was the fault of such Enlightenment-inspired secular views.)
maybe not the root of evil, but it multiplies the evil. Stephen Law likens it to a catalyst:
It kind of makes me wonder just how many soup kitchens balance out beheading a child?
Matthew Parris' piece, in which he suggest that, though he is an atheist, he thinks religion is a powerful tool for good in Africa, something he recommends we foster and encourage, has predictably provoked responses from atheists. See previous post.My small contribution here is just to repeat and edited part of my earlier post Is Religion Dangerous. The moral I wish to draw is, obviously, that even if religion can be a highly powerful and useful tool, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to use it.Many, including Keith Ward, recommend religion for social engineering purposes. They claim that (i) it helps build a sense of community, (ii) it makes people happier and healthier, and (iii) it makes them better behaved [more highly motivated to do good, etc.].Suppose it does. Even if it were useful in these ways, it seems to me there are nevertheless special dangers attaching to the use of religion as a tool.Religion is immensely powerful and can behave in unpredictable ways. Take the young earth creationists ... now about 100 million Americans, including smart, college educated people.[Who would have predicted that in just 50 years or so they would come to have such political influence in the US - to the point where even the last President appears to be a convert? Who would have predicted that 12% of British graduates would come to believe it by 2006]We have here an illustration of the gobsmacking power of religion to get even very smart people to believe palpably stupid things...Religion, it seems to me, is a bit like nuclear power. Immensely powerful and (arguably) useful. And, perhaps most of the time, it runs quite happily, doing not much harm [and perhaps even quite a bit of good].But unless it is extremely carefully controlled and monitored, it can very quickly run out of control. Indeed, just as with nuclear power, you can predict the unpredicted. Somewhere along the line, something probably will go wrong, and when it does, you have a toxic situation on your hands. A religious Chernobyl.Is nuclear power safe, or dangerous? Perhaps it can be used safely, but that's not to deny that it is potentially hugely dangerous. The same, I'd suggest, is true of religion.Keith Ward agreed with me, by the way.Let's also not forget that less than five of my lifetimes ago the Catholic Church was still garroting Europeans who failed to believe what the Pope told them. Yes, I know your local vicar seems like a nice chap, but we'd be wise to remember that our freedom from religious oppression and violence is a very recent development.
maybe not the root of evil, but it multiplies the evil. Stephen Law likens it to a catalyst:http://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2009/01/religion-as-social-tool.html
Thanks for posting Stephen's Law take on religion as a catalyst, screwtape
I disagree about the part where he said that religion is morally neutral.
As far as I'm concerned, unlike religion, there is no secularist or humanist view that justifies children mutilation.
I always say what I mean. But sometimes I'm a sarcastic prick whose tone can't be properly communicated via text.
Look up the thread on male genital mutilation circumcision. You'll find more than one secularist who is in favor of or indifferent to it.
You are also misunderstanding why the catalytic power of religion is morally neutral. You say that it can only be neutral if there is a balance between the positive and negative outcomes.
I should've been more specific when I meant " children decapitation "I don't know what is it about religion and foreskin. Maybe RaymondKhessel can explain better since he is one of the victim of such mutilation
And Raymond cannot answer that question...http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php/topic,21121.0.html
The only reason the separatists want separation is because they are muslim whilst the rest of the country is not. If they were bhuddist then they would have no reason to want to break away from their bhuddist compatriots.It's a bit like the old 'the Troubles in Northern Ireland are political not religious' nonsense. Er, no the political divisions were and still are based on the religious differences. A religiously homogeneous population would not have a political environment that divides on sectarian lines.The perpetrators of this vile act are scum but it takes idealogical or religious brainwashing to create such filth. There doesn't appear to be any particular political ideology to the separatist's actions beyond general objection to the Thai government (i.e. they don't seem to be marxist or fascist or some other kind of 'ist') therefore they'll undoubtedly have committed these murders safe in the knowledge that they are doing allah's will and they will receive their reward in paradise.Of course, the theistically challenged will claim that their particular brand of god-bothering isn't like this and they do plenty of 'good'. It kind of makes me wonder just how many soup kitchens balance out beheading a child?


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Measuring power consumption on low power devices really is not as simple as running tools such as PowerTop and then assuming the data is trustworthy. I shall explain why.
With Ubuntu on the Nexus 7, the battery driver originally provided battery capacity in terms of percentage full, which lacked precision to make any sane power consumption estimates. We tweaked the battery driver so that we could get battery capacity in terms of uWh from the bq27541 battery fuel gauge. From this, one can measure the change in capacity over time and estimate the power consumed by the device.
For the Ubuntu 12.04 Precise release I wrote the lightweight power measurement tool "powerstat" to try to determine power consumption using the change in battery capacity. Powerstat can gather changes in the battery capacity level and by using a simple sliding window on the samples it gives an estimate on the power being consumed over time. With laptops that consume a lot of power this provides a reasonable rough estimate of power consumption.
The tweak to the Nexus 7 battery driver allows powerstat to work on the Nexus 7 running Ubuntu. So how trustworthy is the battery data from the battery fuel gauge? Is the data reliable if we repeat the test under the same conditions? Do we get consistent readings over time?
For my first set of tests, I fully charged the Nexus 7 and then fully loaded the 4 CPUs with busy loops and then ran multiple powerstat tests; powerstat gathers samples over 8 minutes and estimates power consumption. It also calculates the standard deviation from these samples to give us some idea of the variability of the battery power measurements. For each powerstat test I logged the battery voltage level, the % battery capacity (normalized to a range of 0..1 to make it easier to plot), the estimated power consumption (with its standard deviation) and then plotted the results:
I also measured an idle machine:
I re-ran the idle test over several days, running from the same fully charged state to a completely empty battery, and compared runs. I got variability in the duration of the test (+/- 5%). Also, comparing estimated power consumption at the 100%, 75%, 50% and 25% battery capacity points also shows a lot of variability. This means one cannot get accurate and repeatable power estimations even when the battery is charged at specific capacities.
So next time somebody tells you that the latest changes made their low power device suck more (or less!) power than the previous release and their findings are based on data derived from battery fuel gauge, take it with a pinch of salt.
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DSSO Live! "Surprising Tangos"
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An evening of surprises awaits you as the curtain rises for the newest presentation of the Duluth Superior Symphony Orchestra, Live! on WDSE•WRPT. Under the baton of Music Director Markand Thakar, the DSSO presents an evening of "Surprising Tangos" featuring unique performances by an extremely talented artist on a very unique instrument.
Saturday, October 16, 8pm on PBS North (8.1/31.1)
Lidia Kaminska has performed with Placido Domingo in Washington, D.C.'s Constitution Hall; at Lincoln Center; and in countless Performing Arts Centers and Symphony Orchestras across the globe. On Saturday, October 16 at 8pm, Kaminska brings her talents on bandoneón (also known as an accordion) to the Duluth Superior Symphony Orchestra's performance of "Surprising Tangos." Kaminska is also featured on the October 14 broadcast of The PlayList, watch the episode online at theplaylistonline.org.
The evening's performance begins with perhaps the most famous waltz ever written, J. Strauss' Blue Danube Waltz; continues with a most intriguing and seductive set of tangos, Piazzolla's Three Tangos performed by Lidia Kaminska; and concludes with a "fantastic" work for large orchestra with its famous march to the scaffold, Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique.
For ticket information on Saturday night's performance, call (218) 623-3776.
WDSE•WRPT, in cooperation with the DSSO, has had the privilege of broadcasting selected live symphony broadcasts, each year, to our local viewers since 1984.