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Microsoft *thought* the desktop should lean toward touch. They seem to have revised their opinion on that.
Or so they claim. I haven't seen much real evidence of that, though. Win 8.1.1 threw a couple of small bones in that direction, but those changes were pretty weak sauce. Perhaps Win 9 will show something more substantial.
I have a large monitor and I sit 2 arms lengths away,
Evidently, Microsoft's UI was designed for users with longer arms. The ones that drag on the ground when they walk.
OK, gotta go now. [Ducking and running]
you're not creating a usable platform for any since you are constantly making compromises
Microsoft has a long, proud history of compromising the usability of their products for power users for the sake of accommodating casual users who've never read the manual and expect everything to work like Word... even when it turns an action you're going to do a LOT into 40 seconds of drilling down through menus and dialogs to do something a non-Microsoft application might be able to do with ctrl-shift-rightclick and a few keystrokes. More importantly, though, is that Microsoft has increasingly gotten int
Microsoft SHOULD have taken MVC design to its next logical level, and built upon
This does not make sense to me at all. While I agree that's the way they should have taken (IMHO using MVVM instead of MVC), it is almost exactly the way they took. They didn't have all the ducks in row at the first iteration, but it was the plan all the way. They said so at the time.
You did not belive the FUD about Microsoft abandoning
MSDN has documentation [microsoft.com]
With universal apps you build one app for phone
They copied that trend from Ubuntu Unity.
the 8.1 update didn't fix all the issues with Metro, uh, Modern kicking your desktop and work to the curb when it feels like it. sucks. HULK HATE 8 !!!
Apparently the recent updates brought the Modern apps to taskbar and gave them an autohide title bar with minimize and close controls. When the Start Menu update (the most important piece) arrives later, it's gonna be pretty good already.
By the way I actually like the idea of snapping the Modern apps to the side of the desktop. It's a good way to utilize a widescreen monitor by docking Twitter or something else there. I wouldn't care about Modern apps otherwise, but this is a fun feature.
By the way I actually like the idea of snapping the Modern apps to the side of the desktop. It's a good way to utilize a widescreen monitor by docking Twitter or something else there. I wouldn't care about Modern apps otherwise, but this is a fun feature.
Of course. The whole problem with Metro/Modern was that they set their user-interface back to the DOS days with only a single application displayed at a time. As long as Metro apps work in Windows, Metro is no longer a huge step back.
If we went 'ad nauseum' with your example everyone will still be using COM and ActiveX
no, they'd be using win32 and C based APIs for system services.... a lot like a certain alternative OS.
I don't see devs being hurt by this at all. Sure, Microsoft has changed what it is pushing, but their support of deprecated technology is still excellent. Not only is WCF still supported, but their SOAP stuff still continues to work just fine (and to be fully supported by Visual Studio), even though it hasn't been pushed for over ten years.
As for Silverlight - anyone that thought that was going to work wasn't paying attention. The fact is, there are still two markets for Windows apps; corporate stuff that h
"The stodgy old enterprise company whose former CEO once called open source Linux a 'cancer' is gone. So is its notorious tendency to keep developers and consumers within its walled gardens.
I doubt it.
"If you want to use a Microsoft app, you can find it on whatever platform or device you are using, not just on Windows. Running behind everything is Microsoft's Azure cloud and services."
That sounds more like it, you can have any platform you want, as long as it's running on Microsoft. Seriously, who do they even think they are fooling? It' sounds like an employee pep meeting.
"Time will tell if Microsoft's overtures to the open source community are a real and altruistic form of doing business"
They aren't altruistic. If you think they are, I am just flabbergasted.
...He is planning on making windows Azure the platform that runs the internet, and making a ton of revenue that way...
Their only hope is to bulldoze the Windows servers and put in nice Linux clusters like everybody else. Otherwise, the inevitable result will be high comedy. Except for those unfortunate victims who decide to throw their corporate fortunes in with Microsoft's big system expertise.
Except for those unfortunate victims who decide to throw their corporate fortunes in with Microsoft's big system expertise.
Sir, that only sounds like more comedy.
This would happen to any group that gains market control.
IBM, Microsoft, Apple...
If a Linux distribution somehow got a large foothold in the market, they will find a way to keep their dominance. Having a particular fork of the kernel, a distribution system that is a bit different, rename some folders around. Add a closed source install tool or Windows manager....
Excuse me????? IBM never wielded or abused the kind of power that MS had????
Do you recall ever hearing ANYTHING about a 13 year antitrust trial? Or do you know the origin of the term "FUD"?
This would happen to any group that gains market control.
IBM, Microsoft, Apple...
Not at all true. IBM and Apple both are strong contributors to many open source projects, so as they gain power lots of tooling and frameworks are produced that benefit everyone outside those companies.
Microsoft traditionally had contributed little to open source, with everything being worked on held internally. That's changing to some extent, but that was the reason why the industry suffered under Microsoft dominance, becaus
This would happen to any group that gains market control. IBM, Microsoft, Apple...
There is something to this post, certainly now that Google has gained traction with Android, they've begun making it less open (whether you think their motivations are sincere or not, that is what's happening).
My ideal world would have 20% Linux, 20% OSX, 20% windows, and 20%BSD, with some room there for other interesting alternatives.
This would happen to any group that gains market control. IBM, Microsoft, Apple...
Maybe, but not all companies are actually trying to gain monopolistic control of a major chunk of the computing market like Microsoft has always tried to do and has actually had in the past. Apple, for example, would love to own everything everywhere, but they clearly have not even the desire to do what would be necessary to gain the same control over the PC space as Microsoft once had, and has shown no willingness to compete head-on with Android for the entire smartphone space. Apple wants to make a ton
They never stopped trying. What do you think Secure Boot is? Anyone can design an effective vendor-neutral protection system against boot-sector rootkits - it's a simple matter of storing the EFI bootloader hash in config flash and requiring a new one be re-hashed manually after OS installation. Trivial. But somehow Microsoft and Intel instead managed to come up with an over-complicated solution that just happens to only work for OS vendors which have the market share to get their own public keys added to t
Ein Windows Ein SDK Ein...
err sorry.
Jest if you want, but the "One $company" slogan has been used by my last two employers and at least 4 companies I worked with.
While it somewhat makes sense in the case of recent mergers, it's mainly just one of the recent CEO buzzwords.
We know that most CEOs are sheep who just follow groupthink to be safe ("everybody else agrees it's the right thing now")
Wouldn't you, if you had that much at stake?
Their motto of "Developers, Developers, Developers" also disappeared with Ballmer's exit. Everything is now getting locked down to the max in their attempt to be like Apple. What makes it worse is that they don't seem to have a direction as far as application development goes. They were strongly pushing portable
Microsoft's previous success was based on offering very cheap products that were friendly to developers. Yeah, their products were buggy and unfinished, but they were a bargain, and you could always "embrace and extend" them as you saw fit. Now, they are trying to market themselves as a premium luxury product like Apple (at least the consumer end) and walling the garden as much as possible. They're locking down the hardware, too, and alienating their hardware partners, who were the greatest drivers of their previous success. It's a big change. Can they do it? Hyundai managed to convert themselves from being a discount car manufacturer to a more upscale brand, but Hyundai didn't have the problem with their brand reputation that Microsoft has. Microsoft has made cheap crap for so long, I don't see how they manage to convince everyone that they are now an "upscale" high quality manufacturer of products and services.
They were strongly pushing portable
I thought that
.NET seems to live in a zombie state, not really dead, but not really alive, either. They haven't killed it, but they aren't going to expand on it, either. Who knows where things really stand. The RT strategy seems to be in constant flux, too.
.NET is not dead - there are far too many developers who are unable to code in anything else. They won't give it up easily.
Visual Basic developers didn't like going to
Microsoft's previous success was based on offering very cheap products
I don't remember such time. Microsoft software has always been quite pricey.
Windows was cheap. For most people it appeared to be "free". A lot of their stuff seemed pricey at the time, but they were always cheaper than their competition. SQL Server cost less than Oracle. IIS cost less than Netscape Web Server. Windows Mobile cost less than Palm. Visual C cost less than Borland. Office cost less than Word Perfect. Mcrtosoft's pricing is what drove a lot of these guys out of business. Microsoft's products were cheaper quality-wise, too, which is why they have such a terrible
The new captain has set a new course, one that veers away from the rocks. But this ship will take a long time and a lot of leeway to make that turn.
(Of course, I thought the old captain should have been 'relieved for cause' years ago, but since personally I'm neither a customer/user nor a direct shareholder in MSFT, it really wasn't my business
I was saddened to see Ballmer go. I felt that all the Microsoft toadies richly deserved him. It would have been nice to see him go down with the ship, but I knew in my heart what rats do when the water starts rising. I sincerely hope that Nadella proves himself fully worthy to fill Ballmer's clown shoes.
I sincerely hope that Nadella proves himself fully worthy to fill Ballmer's clown shoes.
I actually expect Nadella to be the best Microsoft CEO so far.
> I was saddened to see Ballmer go.
Agreed. If nothing else, he was entertaining.
Really? Or has the captain issued a press release intended to placate passengers while doubling down on the course into the rocks?
Fair enough, and that begs the question whether the passengers on the ship could ever tell the difference...
Microsoft: Yesterday's Technology Next Week
They always reminded me of Yoyodyne Industries from Buckaroo Banzai, where the future begins tomorrow.
Actually, the first thing that came to mind for me was: "Last year's zero-day exploit ignored for a while, then eventually fixed in an upcoming Patch Tuesday".
So is its notorious tendency to keep developers and consumers within its walled gardens.
What on earth are you talking about? Windows 8 is all about forcing people to get software from Microsoft's store. That's exactly opposite of leaving behind walled gardens.
> I tried to figure that out too. The article is talking about the future, Microsoft's intentions, so it would be fair for them to say they intended to change it in the future.
And who, not under the influence of recreational pharmaceuticals, would actually believe that?
Nothing about Microsoft has changed except its PR spin. It remains the same morally bankrupt skofflaw monopolist it has always been. Puff piece.
One code base is just the first step. The problem is how tightly the presentation layer is tied to the kernel. Microsoft would have been in a better position if they broke it out more like the linux pyramid with a common kernel at the base, plumbing in the middle and a display manager on top. Then, the presentation layer in that display manager could be swapped out as needed based on the form factor involved.
KDE did this with their netbook and desktop interfaces. Regardless of which one you use, it is sti
Then, the presentation layer in that display manager could be swapped out as needed based on the form factor involved.
It's still mostly experimental at this point, but there's ALREADY an active effort to port KDE to Windows as an outright replacement for Windows' native UI -- http://windows.kde.org/ [kde.org]
Windows operating system will be free for devices under 9 inches
But GPL is indeed cancerous, intentionally so. Interacting with GPL code is a mine field if you don't want to GPL your code as well, there was no lie in that.
Not like a cancer, because cancer isn't contagious. GPL is more like a virus -- consciously and intentionally so. That's one of it's primary benefits, imo.
If you want to use GPLed code but not GPL your application, you are the problem!
If you "interact" (I assume you mean copy and re-distribute) with proprietary code is it even more a mine field, because if you copy proprietay code in your project without an explicit license which allows this you cannot do anything anymore (not even use it yourself - which the GPL allows). So if the GPL is cancerous, proprietary code is instant death.
You can "interact with" GPL code just fine, as long as your proprietary code isn't a derivative work of the GPL code in the copyright sense.
So you can exec() it, you can call it from the shell, you can send packets to it and receive responses, in some cases you can even have proprietary code as a module/plugin being called by the GPL'd code.
But GPL is indeed cancerous, intentionally so. Interacting with GPL code is a mine field if you don't want to GPL your code as well, there was no lie in that.
Cancer spreads and is difficult to stop.
The GPL is entirely opt-in, and a 4 year old can understand the so-called 'mine field':
Do I want to release my code as GPL?
Yes? Then feel free to use other GPL code in your code.
No? Then don't.
It is no more difficult than any other software development. Do you want to release something via the BSD license? Great.
I would have thought they'd want a kernel optimized for small devices driving the phones and a different one for desktops. Maybe have them implement the same API. But isn't the kernel something you'd want optimized for the device family?
> No longer are there different kernels for Windows 8, Windows Phone or Windows RT it's now all just One Windows.
Maybe not right now, but soon. And that's a good thing how?
> As goes the Windows kernel, so goes the entire company.
Um, yep. And again, that's a good thing how?
meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
95% of the article has no substance and is clearly a bunch of marketspeak, though it's not clear who the marketspeak is targeted at. Users? They're not gonna care about any of it because it's gonna make sense or doesn't affect them. Shareholders? Maybe.
There's really only two bits that seem to mean anything:
No longer are there different kernels for Windows 8, Windows Phone or Windows RT it's now all just One Windows.
That's cool, and it actually means something. But do users care about this? Do investors care about this? How many Apple users know or care that Mac OS, iPhone, and Apple TV all share the same kernel? In general neither users nor investors know what a kernel is.
If you want to use a Microsoft app, you can find it on whatever platform or device you are using, not just on Windows.
That's means something too, but....are you freakin' kidding me? So if I'm making an Windows app, I'm required to design it to work well on a desktop, tablet, phone, and gaming console? What if it's an awesome app that sucks on a little phone screen? What if it's an awesome app that works well on a touchscreen but sucks with a mouse? What if it's awesome with a keyboard and mouse and sucks on a touchscreen? You get the idea...this is the whole thing they're trying to do with Windows 8 and surface and they're failing to hear users screaming at the top of their lungs DO NOT WANT.
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Question: I live in a condominium in a gated community that has a security building at the entrance. Our privacy regulations require that all guests be called in to the security system, appear on a permanent list or be announced by a telephone call from the gatehouse staff. Recently, a process server insisted that he not be announced because the person he was serving would certainly not permit him to come in or wouldn't open the door if he did. He said that preventing his entry was an obstruction of justice. Was he right?
Answer: Service of process is the procedure that gives legal notice to a person, such as a defendant, of a court or administrative body's exercise of its jurisdiction over that person. Usually, notice is furnished by delivering a set of court documents (called a "process") to the person to be served. The person who delivers these documents is a process server. The profession has some inherent risks because some individuals may become angry, even violent, when served.
On July 1, 2011, Florida Statue 48.031 (7) went into effect. An association must now allow a process server access to the community, even one with a security gate, without announcing such entry to the residents. Yes, Florida Statute 843.01 states, "Whoever shall resist, obstruct or oppose any officer ... or other person legally authorized to execute process in the execution of legal process ... shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree." In other words, it's unlawful to interfere and could be considered obstruction of justice.
Your association should neither hinder nor help the process server in any way. Your only action, given the rise in the number of foreclosure suits in some communities, could be to notify residents that process servers will be given access to the community without announcement, pursuant to statutory obligations and that they should not interfere in any way. As a safety precaution, association management, board members, residents or security personnel should not accompany the process server. The association should eliminate its exposure to liability for these kinds of risks by making the policy clear.
Process servers should be logged as visitors, following the regular procedures of the security staff. The security officer has the right to ask to photocopy the identification, especially if a process server is not a law enforcement officer. You could take an additional step of securing the list of the approved process servers from the court administrator's office and comparing the identification of the process server who seeks admittance to that list.
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This article is not intended as specific legal advice and is based upon facts that change from time to time. Individuals should seek legal counsel before acting upon any matter involving the law.


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Kokomo Grain, US Rail (USR) and Norfolk Southern railroads are partnering on a railroad rehabilitation project that will see $5.5 million invested to restore a railway, which has been inactive since 1997. Rails, ties and crossings will be replaced in order to rehabilitate the dormant NS line.
"Kokomo and central Indiana companies will benefit from this world-class transportation system," said Kokomo Mayor Greg Goodnight. "As an economic development tool, access to a rail system is again becoming more important to agricultural, construction and manufacturing industries."
For Kokomo Grain, the reopened railroad will reduce the company's transportation costs and provide them with quicker and more efficient access to southern grain markets.
"This project is a great example of public/private coordination of efforts to attract investments to our community," said Scot Ortman, president/CEO, Kokomo Grain. "I would like to commend the city of Kokomo for their forward looking stance in embracing this opportunity and working with us to make it happen."


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Original URL: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/20/ibm_apprentice/
Big Blue promises jobs for few
We few, we happy few
Posted in Business, 20th August 2010 08:20 GMT
IBM is starting an apprentice scheme for the first time which might just rescue people who got bad news in the post from yesterday's A-level results.
IBM will pluck 20 people to join its IT Specialists. The apprenticeship will involve travelling three or four days a week but you'll be home for the weekends. Applicants need not have computing or business A-levels but should have an interest in such subjects.
They will be taught to provide proof of concept, design, implementation and testing of systems and may also work with sales teams.
The lucky few will be based around the UK including IBM sites in Farnborough, Greenock (Scotland), Hursley (near Winchester), Leeds, Manchester and London. Apprentices will also be required to work at customer sites.
Quango e-skills welcomed the two-year programme. IBM has previously taken on graduate trainees and offered student placements.
The full job description and links to application forms are available here.
Earlier this week BT said it might increase the size of its apprentice scheme after receiving 24,000 applications for 221 placements. ®


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My health improved after my surgeries. I remain in a solid, wonderful relationship with the proverbial man of my dreams. After my health-induced hiatus, I am more in love with running than ever – I even set PRs in every race I ran this year. I wrote another cookbook – one that I am especially proud of – and F-stop photographed it – fun! We traveled to St Martin twice. I finally remodeled my kitchen. Truly, I am blessed.
Of course, 2012 had it's bad points, too. Buttons has been getting up in years and her health has been declining [but I never underestimate my little tuxedo waif kitty: she is powerful]. I learned that friendship can be as fickle as the weather – and in other cases, stronger than time. My love of running led to an overuse injury (IT band syndrome). But life is in balance.
I'm a bit stuffed after all the holiday feasts, so instead of sharing a recipe, I thought I'd recap 2012 by sharing a few, random "behind-the-scenes" pictures that didn't make it to blog posts. Happy 2013, amigos!


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McNeil is one of about two dozen law enforcement representatives who met with the vice president and cabinet yesterday.
That group is tasked with coming up with specific recommendations to try to prevent other massacres like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary.
McNeil says they brain stormed for about two and a half hours.
"We talked about specifically banning assault weapons, making sure there are background checks that every person has to go through when they purchase a weapon. We talked about making sure that ammunition can't be purchased in bulk over the internet," McNeil said Friday.
McNeil was invited as the immediate past president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police.
He says all of the law enforcement reps were asked to submit recommendations in writing by January.
Quincy Press Release: Quincy Police Chief Walt McNeil Summoned To White House by Vice President Joe Biden to Offer Counsel on Gun Violence
Quincy, FL - December 20, 2012 - Quincy Police Chief Walt McNeil has been summoned to Washington, D.C. today to meet with Vice President Joe Biden and a panel of others on the issue of gun violence in America.
The impetus for this meeting of local, state and federal officials is the recent shooting massacre in Newtown, Connecticut where a gunman armed with a military style assault rifle blasted his way through an elementary school killing 20 small children and 6 adults.
The Chief will be representing law enforcement chiefs and officers around the country as the Immediate Past President of the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP). Issues to be discussed during the meeting include:
· Reducing gun violence nationally
· Assault weapons
· Closing gun show loopholes
· Fighting illegal firearms
· Firearms offender registry
· Additional resources to enforce existing firearms laws
· Firearms purchase waiting periods
The meeting will also touch on the issue of police responding to persons with mental illness. Law enforcement around the country considers the issue of the mentally ill on America's streets to be at a crisis level.


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So yesterday night I got Ben and his roommate Jonathan R. to play Mud Dragon with me. Ben ran it, and Jon and I played mud dragons. Character creation was quick and easy-- a couple of rolls and we had determined that I was Ancient Belly, and Jon was Stone Butt. I announced that Ancient Belly was convinced he was Stone Butt's grandfather, though since mud dragons don't track genealogy, there's no real way to tell. We rolled up setting (a village) and goal. We lucked out there-- our goal was to find a princess, who (according to the Princess Hotness Sub-table), was like, totally hot. And that was basically it as far as creation went. Then we got to the story!
Stone Butt had returned to the swamp with the exciting news that the local village had a princess who was like, totally hot. This set Ancient Belly off reminiscing about the good old days, and how hot the princesses were back then, and after successfully overcoming his stupidity long enough to remember the name of the village (East Swampton), he announced that they needed to go get a princess as a character-building exercise for young Stone Butt, who had been trying to get him to go princess-hunting the entire time. So off they went!
Our two dragons reached the edge of the swamp, where they saw a mud-covered farmer and heard a faint banging sound in the distance. They wanted to investigate the banging, but as tiny mud dragons, they were worried about the farmer. Ancient Belly was struck by inspiration, and decided they needed to cover themselves in (more) mud, and then he would stand on Stone Butt's shoulders and they would pass themselves off as a fellow mud-covered farmer. This worked about as well as you might think; Stone Butt managed to overcome his laziness long enough to hold Ancient Belly up, but Ancient Belly was way too clumsy to climb onto the other dragon's shoulders, and fell off into the mud, attracting the attention of the farmer. Ancient Belly attempted to scare the farmer off, but totally failed. I decided to turn my failure into a "success in spite of myself" which meant I got what I wanted, but not how I wanted it, and the GM got to modify the attribute in question (patheticness) up or down by 2. The farmer was not intimidated by Ancient Belly's display of dragonly might, which was frankly pathetic. But he did stub his toe while kicking Ancient Belly, and hobbled off towards home.
Stone Butt took advantage of this to sneak away, ending up in the middle of a nearby road, where an 8 year-old girl on a bike scooped him up and took him home for a tea party. He decided that this girl might not be a princess yet, but was bound to be one eventually, so he settled in and enjoyed the party, until he was distracted by his greed for the sword of the toy knight at the party. He was foiled by the little girl, who tried to put him to bed with a lullaby. Stone Butt overcame his laziness to resist the lullaby, but Jon decided to turn his success into a failure, which brought his laziness attribute down by 2. This meant that he resisted the lullaby, but then took a swig of the chamomile tea, which knocked him right out.
Meanwhile, Ancient Belly had found the source of the mysterious pounding sound: a clearing full of humans banging on weird objects, and a pavilion with not one, but THREE princesses standing on it. All three were like, totally hot. Ancient Belly would have done something about this, but then he noticed the shiny shiny hats worn by the drummers, and failed to overcome his petty greed. He tried to climb up the nearest hat-wearing human, but by this point in the game his clumsiness was all the way at 18. I rolled a 1, which led to the best line of the game: "Does this game have critical failure rolls?" "No. Everything you do is a critical failure." Ancient Belly flailed ineffectually at the drummer, resulting in a dropped drum and irritated drummer, but no shiny hat. The drummer was about to kick him, and Ancient Belly failed to overcome his laziness enough to knock the guy over. I decided to turn that failure into another success, kicking my laziness up to 17 but causing the drummer to overbalance and fall over. Ancient Belly took advantage of this to grab the drum major hat and put it on. He was feeling pretty good about things.
Around this time, Stone Butt woke up to see a big human yelling at the little human. He decided to hide under the bed until the fight ended, and then took the girl's teddy bear and tried to use it as a disguise. This worked for about 60 seconds, when the girl's mom found him and chased him outside with a broom. Stone Butt decided that a teddy bear and a pink bow was good enough loot for one adventure and headed home.
Ancient Belly remained true to the mission. While the all humans stared at him in stunned (and confused silence), he ran up to the pavilion and tried to climb it. Sadly, he was too clumsy (19!), and fell backwards in a pile of cloth. That was too much for his dragonly pride. He successfully overcame his patheticness and breathed a little fart of flame, sending the whole pile of cloth and attached pavilion up in flames. Two princesses fled in fear, and the third fainted right away. He was mighty! He barely had time to revel in this triumph when he was challenged! By a knight in red clothing and bearing a strange snaky spear. Ancient Belly overcame his patheticness again, shooting a second little fart of flame at the fireman, who dropped the hose and sent water flying everywhere. The enemy vanquished, Ancient Belly marched over to claim the remaining princess and drag her away. Unfortunately, princesses are like 115 pounds and mud dragons are about two feet long from nose to tail. The princess woke up without having moved an inch. Force having failed, Ancient Belly decided to rely on his natural charm. He turned to the princess and said, "Hey beautiful, how about you and me get away from all this?" in his very best human. We'll never know whether she understood him, but every princess knows that a dragon kidnapping is just the thing for that extra touch of mystique. She scooped Ancient Belly up, screamed "Help! I'm being kidnapped by a dragon!" and carried him off to the swamp.
At the end of the game, Stone Butt got two experience points for his adventure, and Ancient Belly got an extra four for his success in princess acquisition. He actually succeeded more than I expected, but that wasn't really the point. The failures were just as fun as the successes, both because they were hilarious and because there weren't any real consequences to failure. Whenever it's something you really want, you can turn your failure into a success, though the threat of having the GM bump any attribute by two is enough to keep from overusing that too much. Turning a success into a failure was also useful occasionally, because failing hilariously is fun and then you can bump your attributes down. Occasionally we'd get stuck for ideas of what to handle next. That was usually a good time for Ben to make us try and overcome our petty greed. I'd be a little worried about getting stuck in a failure spiral where all your attributes are so high that you can't do anything without risking botching the plan and ending the session. I think for this game, you really everyone to be on board with the concept and the general silliness. If anyone wants to take the game really seriously, it would get un-fun very fast. But for us, it was funny and lasted under an hour, which is pretty excellent.
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Hey, Alexis. Welcome to the Forge. Thank you for posting this and for hectoring me into running the game.
This game was really fun, and it makes me think that I've cracked a big chunk of the Mud Dragon puzzle simply by:
1) Making attributes much more dynamic (every roll -> plus or minus at least one to the attribute). Using attributes, rather than tokens, as the currency of the game makes things a lot more fun.
2) Dropping the "fail a check" and interpret the rolls as "overcoming your attribute."
3) Making Throwback more likely.
4) Having a better consequence than "running away" for an attribute passing 21 (not that this came up in the game but I think the possibility of "screwing everything up" was a pretty good incentive.)
5) Tidying up the tables and getting rid of boring results.
I think that there's some interesting game writing moral here, but I'm not sure what it is. I had basically abandoned Mud Dragon, figuring that the problem of maintaining both danger, breeziness, and economy was unsoluble. Recently, five years after abandoning the game, Ron convinced me to take another look and I noticed I could make a few tweaks that would probably (and did!) help the game a lot. That, combined with
a very complimentary Polish AP report
and Alexis's extreme enthusiasm for the game has spurred me forward with it (I'm in talks with a very appropriate artist right now.)
I'm not sure what the moral is, but there's definitely something there.
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Most of my rules-changes questions were cleared up by your post, Ben. They look fun! I can't wait to see the art.
My only concern as a potential GM is to put some brakes on my gratuitous imposition of Petty Greed rolls. I'd prefer not to have the
opportunity to flash a scratched-up Coke can or whatever at the player-characters. Also, "how to play a princess" might be very helpful. I recognize that this might be the main individual touch a person can bring to GMing this game, but I'd like to know what you would like a GM to consider when doing so.
Alexis, thanks for posting. I've moved this thread to a different forum where it fits better; no big deal.
Best, Ron
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December 28, 2010, 01:00:03 PM »
Yeah, "when to use Petty Greed" will probably be a focus of the "How to be a Ginormous Mudhole" section. I think that the answer is "when things are slow, when things are too easy, and sometimes just whenever, but try to keep it to less than one per scene."
Would you be interested in a working draft? I'm banging one out today with the rules changes we played with plus a few more tweaks to the situation tables (including the "dumb-ass ideas subtable" which I'm pretty excited about)
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December 30, 2010, 02:58:24 AM »
A question!
Throwback - it happens when an attribute drops below 5, right? Well what happens when I start play with a mud dragon with a score that low already?
My first mud dragon was Mud Worm, a nice little fellow with a starting Petty Greed of 3. Instant transcendance, followed by an instant embarassing death?
"Your character died during chargen" is rather awkward.
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December 30, 2010, 12:04:35 PM »
In the new draft, Petty Greed starts at 14.
I'm also considering reversing Petty Greed's effects on screwing up completely and throwback. So Mud Worm is more such a buzzkill that he doesn't even want to do the plan.
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Possibly uninformed notions based on reading only:
1. "Fighting amongst one another" sounds like an emergent phenomenon to be enjoyed as such, rather than something to insert into the prep as a feature of opposition. Or to put it another way, all the other stuff in the Opposition list are things the GM imposes, whereas this is something the players would do.
2. Although I do like Throwback being more possible/accessible, it seems to me that having it occur at
ends of a mud dragon's competence scale is a little unsatisfying in thematic terms. However, I could be wrong. As you can tell from this paragraph, I kinda go back and forth on this issue, no pun intended. A playtesting issue for sure.
3. Petty Greed seems to have been a sticking point throughout the history of the game's design and play. Does it really need to be in the game at all? And if it does, perhaps it (or something named differently) should be re-designed from the ground up so it stops being this "except for Petty Greed which works the other way" phenomenon.
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12) Various condiments that "should always be on the table" when eating
Quote from: Dottyg on May 30, 2008, 06:20:58 PM12) Various condiments that "should always be on the table" when eatingI don't remember this one at all. I can't even imagine how this would be an etiquette issue.
You're going to think me strange, but bear with me.I need another one to add in addition to the one above. If I just add this one, it'll be 13 issues. I'm not superstitious (well, maybe a little), but I just can't add a 13th without a 14th!
Adding another one here: Kids playing in the street.
Quote from: MrsO on September 24, 2008, 05:57:53 PMAdding another one here: Kids playing in the street.That one's already been added.
Parking on the street in front of someone else's house.
My first shopping cart thread about 3 years ago was a revalation. (never again I swear)
Shopping cart thread? I can't imagine why this would be an etiquette issue (although I'm sure it is- if shoes in the house are, then anything's possible ).
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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." — Hunter S. Thompson
Writer Hunter S. Thompson was a pro at weird. But he would find Facebook beyond weird. Even as tiny green tree frogs scampered around the edge of his tequila and there seemed to be an aardvark climbing up his leg, he would consider it surreal that contact with dozens of "friends" can morph into two at the click of Delete. That's the rate of attrition in the five days since I left Facebook — and that's just the people I shared messages and comments with. Yeah, I knew. Yeah, I'm not surprised. The more time goes by since I last logged into Facebook, the even weirder the few months I spent on it seem.
"Imagine the problem is that we cannot imagine a future where we possess less but are more. Imagine the problem is a future that terrifies us because we lose our machines but gain our feet and our pounding hearts." – Chuck Bowden, in Blood Orchid.
Imagine that you are a woman in your forties (one of the biggest demographics on FB). You have followed the rules. You are a great worker, lover/wife, mother, friend, and daughter. You hit the gym every day. Your abs are tight and your legs honed. You know how to please your partner, your boss, your kids, and your parents — with whom, nonetheless, you never seem to get it right. You drive the family taxi to the kids' lessons, recitals, and play dates. The oldest is turning 15 and with her, too, you seem unable to get it right. You wish you had a few close women friends to talk with like you used to have — even one. But who has time? When your older daughter turns you on to Facebook, you believe you've found the answer.
For a few months, maybe longer, you love your growing sense that you aren't so alone. Your teenage kids and you actually goof around with each other, comment on each others' posts, comment on each others' comments. You find old friends. With a click, you can be flooded with news and photos and events. Okay, so maybe the news is that Janet woke up tired or Rick wants you to check out his photos of his late-for-it bachelor party or Jennifer loves Christopher and Christopher loves her right back, dude. And maybe you worry a little because there's a photo of your 15-year-old in a diva pose at a party. And you sometimes wish there was something a little more personal, a little deeper on your Wall. But you feel connected and that seems better than the loneliness you'd felt when one of your siblings hadn't called for a year or you realized that it had been months since you'd heard from your best friend Lindy.
Slowly something changes. You're sneaking time at work to check for FB messages — more than you ever did with email. When you come home — after dropping your youngest son off for a playdate, picking up your 15-year-old from track to take her to her piano lesson, texting your 13-year-old to make sure she remembers to go to the orthodontist — you do not change out of your workclothes into sweats and sit in the silence of your home for a while. Instead, you check into FB.
There's something there. There's nothing there. You hunt through your posts for new comments. You visit a few friends' pages. There's nothing new. You check out a few of the YouTube videos, follow a few links to articles on the racial profiling law in Arizona, the oil bleeding out of the earth in the Gulf, the American casualty rate in Afghanistan. You remember when you would have been standing with friends protesting something — or at least writing letters. You wonder what happened to that young woman. You remember the gorgeous guy from your sophomore college year and when you hunt him down, there he is. Do you send a friend request? Don't you?
The front door opens. You feel irritated. "Mom?!" The voice of your 15-year-old echoes up the stairs. You wonder why she's home. Her piano lesson takes an hour and the bus ride another half-hour. When you check the time on your computer, you see that three hours has gone by. Your daughter stands in the door. "God, Mom," she says, "you're worse than me on that."
It takes another month or so for you to begin to realize that there is something truly wrong. Maybe it's the emptiness you feel when you log off after a few hours of chasing "friends"; or waking at 2 a.m., feeling restless and lonely as your husband — who is both lover and best friend — sleeps peacefully next to you. Maybe it's bumping into a former buddy at the grocery and not wanting to take time to really talk — because you want to race home and check Facebook to see what's new. Maybe it's feeling not-quite-real unless you are cruising around Facebook — and yet having the sense that you and your "friends" are just throwing electrons at each other. Maybe it's finding — irony of ironies — a stranger's post of an article on Facebook's privacy violations.
You read the piece, post the link on your page, feel virtuous, realize what you've just done and log off. It comes to you that your time on Facebook has begun to feel more real than your analog life — as though clicking "Like" on a political cause page changes something, as though 20 thumbs up on one of your posts means you're cared about. There's more. The privacy violation expose said something about Community pages, about information being fed into sites open to the public. You remember the silly photo of your teenager, her hair teased into a wild mane, her pouting lips, her hand on her out-thrust hip. You decide to go back to Facebook and re-read the article. This time when you log in, you feel uneasy.
Your uneasiness grows as you search out more and more articles on FB's murky privacy policy, on its exploitation of its members' information, on practices that you understand may put your kids in danger. Hours go by, but when you finally log off you feel full. You have everything you need to make your decision — a decision that is going to make your children furious.
It's Family Dinner night, the one weeknight everybody can be together to eat. You tell your family what has happened to you and what you've found. Your husband shakes his head. "I wondered what was going on. You've been somewhere else for months. I never guessed it was Planet Facebook."
"I'm deleting my account right after we finish," you say. "And you..." (the kids look up) "are too." Your teenagers stare at you as though you've gone crazy. "No! Way! Mom!" You realize you feel calmer than you have in months. "Way," you say firmly. Your oldest daughter slams down her fork and shoves away from the table. She knows better than to leave the house. She stomps off to her room. The 13-year-old glares at you. "That's no fair," she says. You look at her stubborn face and feel a wave of love wash through you. "Go get your sister," you say, "we're all going to have a long long talk."
Your husband takes your hand. "Welcome back," he says. "We've missed you."
"It's going to be a little weird for a while," you say. "I'm not really sure how I got so hooked so fast. But I'm already looking back and knowing how numb I got." Your teenagers slouch back to the table. You take a deep breath. "Okay," you say, "I want to tell you what happened to me and what I learned."
Your analog life resumes. Your dozens of Facebook friends disappear. And then, slowly you are able to feel how lonely you've allowed your busy busy busy life to become. You call your best friend. You write a real letter to your brothers and sister. You and your husband decide that two weeknights out of five will be times for the family — and for each other. For a while, the changes feel like too much work. And then you realize that being in real connection takes work — and it's worth it.


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A serious week in many respects, but not one that can't be looked back on with humour.
- Animated Taiwanese newscasters wade through 250,000 WikiLeaks documents so you don't have to… [hat tip Geek Press]
- And a quick satirical summary of what was revealed about American "thinking" about the Middle East… "In some quarters of the U.S. foreign policy establishment, it's an article of faith that the central problem in the Middle East is Israel's (alleged) injustices against the Palestinians. That premise has shaped American policy for decades. But it's wrong, in many ways. Iran is the key problem. It has been for years. Some of the documents in the Wikileak cache are confirming that fact."
Wikileaks, U.S. peace-making dramatized - V O I C E S O F R E A S O N
- Former U.S. Ambassador to the UN John Bolton on the impact of the WikiLeaks dump on U.S. foreign relations. [Hat tip Angelia]
Is Wikileaks a National Security Risk? – F R E E D O M W A T C H
- Plans at the UN's ClimateFest in Cancun to shackle "rich" nations with ration books and new emissions restrictions were dealt a death blow by Japan. "Japan will not inscribe its target under the Kyoto protocol on any conditions or under any circumstances," said the Japanese representative. The Guardian were still wondering what that means.
Canned in Cancun - T I M B L A I R
Bring on the ration books! – N O T P C
- That's rationing for you and me, but party harder for the warmist bureaucrats at Cancun.
It's Alarmists Gone Wild! says Kate.
- But who's "rich" anyway? Here's what decades of Keynesian excess have done for America's manufacturing base. As Amit says at Thrutch, it's been "the wrong kind of growth."
- Similar story in New Zealand, unfortunately, as this graph shows. Roger Kerr explains "it pinpoints a major economic weakness – the fact that the tradable sector of the economy (industries that export or compete with imports) has been largely stagnant over the past decade, while the non-tradable sector, of which the public sector is a large part, expanded."
The story of an unbalanced economy – R O G E R K E R R
- And what made Ireland collapse? Similar story again. "Naysayers try to tell you that the Celtic Tiger was a myth and that free-market policies brought the Irish economy down. The truth is exactly the opposite. Liberalisation caused the Irish economy to surge until a return to big government crushed it."
Why Ireland is broke – R O G E R K E R R
- Here's a short summary of a coastal contretemps:
- The Coastal Coalition is an ACT-aligned protest group that wants the foreshore and seabed nationalised. No irony there at all.
- Chris Finlayson is an Attorney-General who wants to partially-privatise foreshore and seabed. But only for Maori tribes. Only if they don't have to go to court to prove ownership in common law. And only if they can't sell it on, or individualise the title.
- Conclusion: Both of them are wrong in different ways, and both are busy talking past each other. Latest example: Finlayson calling the Coalition "clowns," and responding to a Coastal Coalition Q+A.
Finlayson ready to forgo holiday to battle 'clowns' – N Z H E R A L D
Chris Finlayson's response to the Coastal Coalition's Q and A – N Z H E R A L D
- Cameron Slater has a new target: the duplicitous slimeballs at local website Get Frank who've been paying themselves well for stealing content they don't pay for. The NZ Bloggers Union is not happy.
Getting Frank with Rich – W H A L E O I L
- Blogger Adam Smith takes on Simon Power-Lust's Search and Surveillance Bill, which "gives the police, [menacing, dangerous and wholly inappropriate powers] to compel people to produce information on pain of draconian penalties… Power's legacy will be undemocratic electoral law and the ability for big brother to control the populace through the police."
NZ – A police state? – I N Q U I R I N G M I N D
- Is this why Tory gossip sheet Trans Tasman likes Power-Lust so?
Simon Power named politician of the year – T V N Z
- Not just a police state; we're heading back quick-smart to one that smacks of medieval guild socialism. To professional protectionism. After architects, early childhood teachers, builders, plumbers, designers and real estate agents (and many others whom I've probably forgotten), the next group in line for having legal barriers created to entering their profession are financial advisors. Bring on the registration Nazis!
The new Authorised Financial Advisors (AFA) regulations, or whatever – Mark Hubbard, S O L O
- Stephen Hicks recommends Hans Rosling's newest, saying "Simply wonderful, both in content and presentation":
- Yaron Brook of Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights comments on the culture clash over Christmas.
Is There a War on Christmas? [VIDEO] – P J T V
- Luc Travers at website Touching the Art wants to make visiting a gallery or viewing an artwork as exciting as reading a novel or watching a movie. Does he pull it off? You decide.
Touching the Art: A New Approach to Art Appreciation
- Denis Dutton explains his theory of how beauty is an "evolved instinct," accompanied by an animation that Eric Crampton calls "the best I've seen for such things."
- And architect Frederick Gibson discusses the "12 core items" Dutton finds in both art and art experiences.
What is Art? from Denis Dutton's "Art Instinct" – L I F E S T Y L E D I M E N S I O N S
- It's about time we had some improvisational Frippertronics around here…
- Here's the final movement from Beethoven's drama-filled Seventh Symphony. If your speakers can manage it, try to keep your ear on those cellos and double-basses as they start to do the sort of insane things you weren't supposed to do in 1813.
- Art. Music. These are a few of my favourite things…
- And finally, Ele Ludemann reflects on yesterday's memorial to the 29 miners, and concludes (as I will) with these few and appropriate words from the unlikely pen of Joyce Grenfell:
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Isn't it already too late?
Would it even be possible to see in the first place though.
Not as in detecting that it exists, but photons are only going one way, and that is the same direction you are going.
Isn't it already too late?
You'd know it was too late if your spirit was watching your body being irradiated and distorted by the intense magnetic (and other radiation) fields and gravity. You'd be rather amazed while the chap in black, with the scythe rode up on his white horse, Binky and said YOU DON'T SEE THAT EVERY DAY. FIGURATIVELY AND LITERALLY.
You should look for a precursor, such as glaciers melting in the dead of night.
Aw, crap. I live on a glacier.
That's taking belching to a very uncivilized level. Someone ought to teach that black hole some table manners.
Or teach the table how to lighten up and just hold its breath for a moment until it passes.
Oh shit, the infinite improbability drive is on the fritz again.
Oh shit, the infinite improbability drive is on the fritz again.
Someone just tipped the waiter a penny aboard The Bistromath.
Yep, sure enough: http://science.howstuffworks.com/x-ray2.htm [howstuffworks.com]
It's a common, but somewhat sloppy, convention in physics to refer a collection of photons whose energies are the same as the Planck distribution for a black-body radiator of temperature T as "T-degree photons".
Whether or not that's reasonable, whether Slashdot titles count as science journalism, whether photons count as matter, and all sorts of other minor points are certainly arguable, but the use of that phrase is hardly the fault of "science journalism".
X-Rays have no temperature, they are EM radiation, not matter.
I weep for whoever told you a collection of photons can't have a temperature in the same way a collection of particles can. Who was it? Was it... no one?
Black body radiation has a characteristic temperature just like the black body that produced it, however in the case of the photon gas [wikipedia.org] it's the Plank's Law distribution of energy in photons rather than the Maxwellâ"Boltzmann distribution which describes the matter.
If there's any sloppiness in the title at all it's specifying just the X-rays when you'd technically have to include all photon energies to get the correct temperature, just like you would include all the particles in a gas or solid. However I think it's pretty much in the noise [wolframalpha.com] as far as inaccuracy goes. Unlike your statement. Sorry.
P.S. Such radiation has a temperature and *also entropy*, which is inversely proportional to temperature. So for example if you assume the earth is more or less in equilibrium with the sun, that means the total energy received is equal to the total energy output, but the temperature of the received radiation is much higher, meaning less energy, meaning the earth is emitting a net-positive amount of entropy. In case you've ever wondered how exactly the whole "the earth is not a closed system; it's powered by the sun" thing worked in terms of entropy.
I weep for whoever told you a collection of photons can't have a temperature in the same way a collection of particles can. Who was it? Was it... no one?
It's pefectly reasonable to think that collections of photons don't have a temperature. It's also perfectly reasonable to think that not everything other than hydrogen and helium is a "metal". Some other posters
Sure, it's reasonable to think that, just incorrect. Happens all the time. Don't confuse unusual nomenclature with aspects of thermodynamic theory that you weren't familiar with. Don't go complaining about a perfectly correct statement because it doesn't match the high school notion of what temperature means.
The point I was making is that the definition being used is fairly specialized to the context, just as the definition of "metal" differs from one context to another. Consider how context sensitive mathematical symbols can be. Is it a cross product or a cartesian product or a standard product? Is it a dot product or a logical and? Don't even get me started on the overloading of the greek alphabet. If someone is familiar with a term in one context, confusion is natural when they encounter it in another and it
The point I was making is that the definition being used is fairly specialized to the context
There is no context in modern science where "only matter can have temperature" is correct.
In short, you can educate someone about the meanings of terms in context without needing to be arrogant jerk about it.
When the someone is sincerely questioning or just confused, then I make every effort not to be. When the someone is themselves being an arrogant jerk, calling a PhD in astronomy stupid because of their own ignorance, I see no reason to be anything else.
If the subject of this thread was "How can X-Rays have temperature?" or similar then you would have seen that reflected in my post.
But it isn't.
There is no context in modern science where "only matter can have temperature" is correct.
Common definitions of temperature typically define it as a property of matter. Given those kinds of definitions being presented, believing that "only matter can have temperature" is perfectly reasonable. Referring to the temperature of electromagnetic radiation is a convention and not everyone is going to be familiar with this convention.
Remember, not all science is physics. Well, ok, everything actually is ultimately physics, but many other sciences don't focus that way. Medical science, for example, mostl
X-Rays have no temperature, they are EM radiation, not matter.
I love how people who didn't bother to RTFA get modded insightful. The summary is bad but the article clearly states that the gas creating the X-ray emissions is what is heated.
If the X-rays have a spectrum that looks at all like a blackbody then temperature is a reasonable way to describe them. If you have a box of material at some temperature, the inside of that box will be filled with electromagnetic radiation who's spectrum matches that temperature and it is reasonable to describe that radiation as having a temperature (even from a technical thermodynamic point if view). As a very rough guide, you get radiation with photon energies in the range of 1eV for 10,000 degrees Kelv
The energy of a photon at any given frequency is constant. That means that every gamma ray on earth is more energetic than any X-Ray in space. To describe the temperature of a photon is meaningless and gives the false impression that temperature can vary for a given fixed frequency of light. When describing EM Radiation it makes much more sense to consider the energy of the photons in eV or to describe the entire energy amount of a discharge in joules.
The attributing of temperature of light was the aut
To describe the temperature of a photon is meaningless
To describe the temperature of a massive particle is meaningless.
Only by having a collection of particles (whether massive or not) that follow a particular statistical distribution can temperature be meaningfully talked about. Those distributions are different for different types of collections of particles. The one that describes ideal gasses is not the only one.
and gives the false impression that temperature can vary for a given fixed frequency of light
I suppose if you assume that X-ray is a single fixed frequency and that they were talking about single photons, but that would be as silly as th
It's clearly a reference to Wien's displacement law [wikipedia.org]. At 100 million kelvins, the peak blackbody emission frequency by the Wien displacement law would be somewhere in the region of 6e18 Hz (0.05 nm), which is well into the hard X ray region, almost energetic enough to be called low-energy gamma rays.
Hows the view from mount stupid? [smbc-comics.com]
Others have explained the physics, but yes, talking about the temperature of an EM emission is perfectly acceptable, even common, in physics. You could nitpick and say that any particular X-ray photon does not tell you the temperature of what emitted it, but in order to discuss complex matters you need a shorthand, and one of those is to say that a collection of photons has a temperature (whilst really meaning "this collection of photons is consistent with black body emissio
Any volunteers?
In order to be detected, something must escape a black hole. Since my understanding is that not even photons could escape a black hole, how does these X-Rays manage to do it?
It was emitted before, not after cloud was absorbed into the black hole...
My favourite lines from TFA:
So maybe saying this was a belch is a bit misleading, since you do that after you eat something. This is more like your food screaming loudly and incoherently and flailing around while you're actually eating it. Is that better?
Paul B.
Hawking radiation escapes.
Not only is TFA not talking about Hawking radiation, Hawking radiation doesn't even technically escape. Hawking radiation particles are actually formerly virtual particles that are generated just outside of the event horizon. Virtual particles are created in particle-antiparticle pairs which then instantly self-annihilate before the universe notices. But when the pair appears just outside of a black hole, sometimes one particle falls into the hole allowing the other to continue existing. This produces the i
It didn't escape the black hole. These photons were generated as matter was falling into the hole and being compressed by the hole's gravity before passing beyond the event horizon. More like they were never inside the hole to begin with.
Naturally. The Bears go to 5 and 1 and look really good to go to the playoffs and here comes a high-energy X-ray cataclysm.
This is how it always goes for me.
Desperately need some mod points....
Cowboys fans on the hand are just happy to have something new to blame on Tony Romo....
is that Fahrenheit or Celsius?
First one, then the other.
Only the Lord Kelvin can preserve you from entropy.
A hundred million degrees ain't so much. The University of Mumbai churns out more than that a year.
Your question is equivalent to "Is there a singularity at the beginning of the universe".
Going back through time in conventional cosmology leads you through increasing temperature and density, until conventionally you reach a point where both are infinite - the singularity. This, however, is merely a mathematical result that fits with observations later in the universe, and our theories about gravity. We have no way of directly knowing if the universe ever was a singularity.
Events like this are relatively uncommon, so it's fortunate NuSTAR happened to be observing the black hole when it flared.
And when nobody is looking, nothing happens?
-99 pednatic; -999 spilleng; it's the TYPOs
Where it is a duty to worship the sun it is pretty sure to be a crime to examine the laws of heat. -- Christopher Morley


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The year-end report card was good news for Leon County schools. Many scored an A or B with one elementary school making an exceptional leap into the high ranks.
They call themselves the Bond Panthers, a group of talented young children who have proven that hard work and determination really does help you make the grade.
The sign says it all. The Panthers did it! Students at Bond Elementary School have climbed up two letter grades, saying good-bye to last year's devastating D and welcoming this year's B grade.
Principal Arrhea Williams says all it took was a lot of hard work and a bit of heckling.
"Well are students across the street better than you, they said no, I said prove it."
But the Panthers' success wasn't the only highlight of Tuesday's announcement. For two years in a row Wakulla County schools grades K through 8 have all received the highest marks.
David Miller, Superintendent, Wakulla County, says, "I'm very proud we maintained our status but credit is due for kids and teachers, that's where the rubber hits the road."
There's much to celebrate in both counties. For Leon 72 percent of its schools made an A or B. In Wakulla the only C was given to the high school. On the flip side, north Florida received some negative news when Gadsden County topped state charts with 38 percent of its schools getting an F.
Jefferson county's three schools made a C, D and F and Madison County had a few F grades as well.
Gov. Jeb Bush, (R) Florida, says, "Eleven of the F schools earned an F again this year. They need to gain an average of 10 point to improve the grade next year.
And once again, parents are given a choice. If your child's school received an F two times in four years your child qualifies for tax-supported vouchers to private schools.


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In 2015, a fire broke out in the CC Corporation headquarters, resulting in the loss of most of the data for "The World." The company utilized a game system for a different game line they were developing to restore the data that was lost in the fire and introduced "The World R:2" a year later. However, players of the original "The World" were unable to migrate their character data to the new version and many rejected the "R:2." But the game was accepted amongst new players and went onto sell 12 million copies worldwide. Although, they have yet to reach the peak of 20 million players that was boasted during the days of the original "The World," the game took back the crown as the number one online game.
There are two new facilities that were added to "R:2":
- Guilds: a group comprised of players. Once a guild is established, a private room known as @HOME is created for each guild. Guild members use the @HOME as their headquarters.
- Arena: located in the Warring City of Lumina Cloth, the arena consists of three palaces: Demon Palace, Holy Palace, and Sage Palace. Players fight in a three-on-three battle and hope to become Emperors of the designated palace.
Aside from the new facilities, players are also able to encounter other players out in the field. Some of these players, like the members of the Medic Union, are around to help you on your adventure. However, there are also PKs (Player Killers) who are preying on other players. You can help these players from the PKs and receive a reward if you are successful in helping them.
Like the original "The World," players get to other areas and fields by using the Chaos Gate. There are also several special areas that are known as Lost Grounds. These areas are said to have been created during the era of Fragment, the game the original "The World" was based on. Some of these areas are the Hulle Granz Cathedral and the Arche Koeln Waterfall.
Chaos Gates are a type of a warp device that allows players to access various areas such as fields, dungeons, Lost Ground, and others.
Areas are created by combining three words known as "Area Words." Players can obtain Area Words from other players playing in "The World" or by checking on the forums. The more Area Words you have, the more flexibility you have in creating an area of your choice, so actively engaging with other players is of great benefit. The combination of these words determine the type of area, monster strength, and so on.
Information is listed in the Area Status window in the Area Word input screen, a sort of gyro looking device that shows your current stock of words. The Area Status window lists the various parameters created by the chosen Area Word. Additionally, there is a mark to the left of the Area Words in the Word Plate. This mark is a Server Symbol - it indicates which server you are currently in. If you are in a different server, you'll go to different areas even if it's the same Area Words.
Aspects of "The World R:2" ALTIMIT OS Desktop
- The World: Play "The World R:2" or view the official web site and BBS of the game.
- News Capture: a news site that will occasionally have news video footage
- Yomoyama-BBS: Community forum where many different topics are discussed. Also includes an artwork forum where players can download artwork posted on by players.
- Mail Station: Read e-mails from friends and send greeting cards to them as well.
- Media Performer: View movies from the game.
- Accessories: Set up desktop music and wallpaper.
- Data Manager: Save the game.
"Online Jack" is a web-based show hosted by Salvador Aihara that players can view from the desktop. The show's focus is Doll Syndrome, a strange disease that is spreading among children and whether the disease is connected to online games such as "The World." As the show progresses and strange incidents occur in "The World," the show reflects what is happening in the real world as Salvador acquires information from both the virtual and the real world.


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|2003-11-15, 01:48
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Special translator note about this episode:
It wasn't in the episode, but I think it's important to point out, especially for musings ^^
|2003-11-15, 02:16
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Evangelist of the Kazoo
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Well, it's that time again! And, much to my disappointment, the last time, the I'll be doing these Ultra Maniac MUUUUUUUUUSSSSIIIINGGGS! Hmm... that was pretty weird. Sorry. Anyway, here's this week's rating:
Yep, nothing much to say about it. Nothing spectacular and nothing terrible. Just... average. Moderate. You get the idea.
1) I find it odd that the prince would have any need for a butler. If the prince can use magic to create things out of thin air, what purpose would a butler have? Is the prince too busy to wiggle his nose or however those people from the magical kingdom use magic?
2) I feel kind of empty inside after watching that episode. Sure, I suppose it MIGHT have been caused by the fact that my lunch didn't sit too well today, but I think the fact that the ending was so "Ehhhh" was the real cause. There just wasn't anything special in the ending. I was neither in awe nor was I disappointed. The only part that made me happy was when Tsujiai made the little joke in the end. Other than that, I just felt like I was watching any other average episode before episode 24 (the good episode).
3) It's funny how Yuta, after being in love with Nina his entire life, suddenly switched over to Luna. Hilarious? No. Funny? Yes.
4) It's also quite funny how nobody wondered why Kawakakakakakaaka I HATE THAT GUY'S NAME!!!! ARGGHHHHH!!! JELLYFISH SMASH!!
I find it weird how nobody at all wondered why "that guy" was talking to them so casually about the magical kingdom and the holy stones... and the fact that Nina was a witch. They spent almost three quarters of the series trying anything they could do to make sure he DIDN'T know her secret, and yet they just casually talk to him after that? Also, how the heck did he know everything about what was going on? By the way he talked, it seemed like he wasn't confused at all concerning the fact that almost everybody in his school disappeared into a giant void and almost died. Just another day at the office for him, I guess.
5) Why did Mikami-sensei react like that when he saw Nina? It's not like he knew that she was a witch. Also, his memories weren't wiped so it's not like he was seeing a new student...
6) Why did Maya have to marry the prince? Why couldn't she marry me instead? Hey, wait a second - isn't Maya like... 14 years old? I know this country is magical, but shouldn't they wait until the candidates are like... legal?
7) I was chuckling to myself after I found out what happened to the other candidates. Wow, what a totally half-assed way to handle the issue. Why did they become candidates in the first place, huh? Did they not know what they were getting into? Also, if they actually loved the prince, why would they choose to NOT come to the palace. Also also, how were the candidates "disqualified"? Did they all do something like what Maya did? How can a candidate do something so horrible that it would warrant a disqualification?
8) Also also ALSO, just a few episodes ago, Nina's grandfather was talking to the principal about all of the candidates. Did they all get disqualified or drop out immediately after that?
9) Lest I forget, Ultra Maniac review is now up get it while it's... hot?
10) I was disappointed to not find my name in [Triad]'s ending special. For shame, Dragosmore. For shame!
11) Why would Nina need an invitation to the Prince's birthday celebration if, at the time of her receiving the invitation, she was expected to become the princess? This must be the funniest plot hole I've ever seen in the entire course of the show!
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|2003-11-15, 03:02
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*Kyuuketsuki Otaku*
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Just finished watching ep 26 and thank you Triad for doing an awesome job on subbing the series. Their really nothing else to say except that I really enjoyed watching this series and glad that its finally over. Thanks again Traid
|2003-11-15, 03:07
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Jellyfish I have to admit your review is the only thing that can actually get me off my lazy butt and go and get that episode. Not saying that the episode is giving me a lot of hope, but you have spark enough curiousity to make me actually want to watch this episode.
Thank you - I think- Jellyfish.
|2003-11-15, 03:29
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Senior Member
I am rather surprise you actually gave this series a higher mark than what you gave DN Angel. I thought, although DN Angel is as bad as Ultra Maniac, at least there are more episodes that are worthwhile than this series. The ending of DN Angel was pretty good too - way higher than my expectation.
Curious... very curious indeed. I am pretty nice with rating an anime - perhaps becuase I am well aware of the hours went into animating any series - even crappy ones. I don't give out failing grades (surprisingly not even for Dragonball Z). But considering a bunch of the anime got 9 or higher (well they differ by the tenth, so you can still tell which one I like more), giving DN Angel an 8.1 isn't that high in my standard. But I can't say I will give Ultra Maniac even that. =_=
I suppose though I must wait for this new episode to finish downloading to really tell.
|2003-11-15, 03:35
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Dude, the D.N.Angel ending (which I hated, by the way), has nothing on this one. This one is like... the more UBERER ending! It's the alpha ending. No, wait... it's the OMEGA ending!
Also, if you would like, we could combine our forces as reviewers. I have 998 more MB of space to fill and it sure isn't going to come from my webpages. We have to build that database! BUILD I SAY!
Hmm... by the way, where are your reviews anyway? You don't have the website listed anywhere on animesuki, and I've never seen you mention it before this thread...
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|2003-11-15, 05:18
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lost in wonder forever...
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A good ending for an average anime. Ultra Maniac was good in the beginning but got rather boring at the end so I think the end was pretty good. I felt statisfied, but I wonder Mikami reacted so funny when she saw Nina.
|2003-11-15, 11:48
|Link #30
Senior Member
At the moment my review section is still really really small... Not like your reviews... But then again that's basically becuase I tend to write really long reviews.
^_^;;; But long reviews take a long time to write.
If you want to join force I don't mind. Here's my (extremely humble and small) review page: http://www.animereviewz.blogspot.com About my choice of anime to review though - I started off with the ones that everyone would know about becuase I figure no one else would bother to make good detail reviews for these anime. I am going to move into better anime soon. I watched all on my anime list. It's just that I never got time to write about them.
Back to Ultra Maniac. The ending - yeah it's better than I thought. I thought it would be crap - but nope it's not bad.
So all those holy stone after all those fights they just go to Maya anyway? Oh life is so meaningless isn't it? Maya didn't need to fight and she could have gotten everything.
I can't believe that all those time Maya and the prince were in love but the prince thought it was Nina he loved and not Maya... isn't that a bit superficial? He realized he love that girl who he saw ONCE in his life and he have decided to marry that girl just because he danced with her that one short time so long time ago?
Nina went back to the human world - yay. I sort of expected that I suppose, but it's happy. Yes, very happy.
|2003-11-15, 12:07
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Evangelist of the Kazoo
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Also, I noticed these little "â"s scattered all over the place. Is that supposed to mean something or...? One more thing, I also noticed that you review anime that you haven't completed watching, which is a big no-no in my book. In addition to that, you use a completely different rating system than me, so I guess joining forces to take over the anime review empire isn't much of an option. (though that is totally up to you)
|2003-11-15, 13:04
|Link #32
Senior Member
The anime I haven't totally watched and reviews are stuff that are ridiculously long: ie) Pokemon, Yugioh, Card Captor Sakura, Digimon and Dragonball. You don't have to watch every single episode in those anime to actually get the hang of it. I watched over 120 episodes for Pokemon, over 90 for Yugioh, the whole first two seasons plus half of the third season for Digimon, over 50 for Card Captor Sakura, and any episode important for the plot in Dragonball. These anime just keep repeating themselves again and again becuase they have so many fillers.
|2003-11-15, 14:08
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Age: 33
Ultra Maniac ended better than I though it would. It just made me crack up on how fast the guys love interest changed And yeah, I laughed when Yuta thought Luna looked "kawaii" Was I the only one who was terribly scarred for life when the prince started having ticks I tought I was going to die right then and there. Nina should of thrown a glass of water on him.
I have a new found repsect for Maya-chan. Whoa I put -chan on the end of her name O_O! I like her when she's not a mad pyscho. Though she should of left her hair brown hehe. I hope shes happy with the prince...and what exactly did that door open? I mean all I saw was the door disappear nothing else. Maybe it opened a honeymoon suite lol.
Kawanajimaku--I just made that up-- When I saw the ending credits I was so happy to learn he didn't suffer the same fate of his character. I mean, I bet no one ever talked to him cause his loooong name was a tongue twister He should become a photographer.
One last thing, thanks Triad for translating Ultra Maniac. You guys did an awesome job on it. Of course, this goes out to all the other fansubbers who did UM.
|2003-11-16, 00:41
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I too would like to thank all for Ultra Maniac.
Loved Maya and she was better as a blonde!
never realized the significance of the locket she kept staring at through the series. And Maya is so very cool when she mellowed out.
And I was ROFLMAO when Yuta went for Luna, did not see that coming.
And I thought Nina was just too cute in her magic school uniform.
The ending was kinda predictable but I still really liked it. Im a sucker for happy endings.
|2003-11-16, 04:33
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...besides, Luna is *kawaii* in a Beetlejuice-esque kind of way
|2003-11-17, 07:35
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Well... I think it's not that strange for the prince to go suddenly for Maya-chan. I mean, the prince wanted nina only because of what happened in the past. He was chasing the girl of his past, even though he probably doesn't really love her. He just can't imagine someone else to marry. And most viewers would have been sad if Nina could not be with Tsujiai.
As for Yuta... he already gave up on Nina where he gave her tickets for the magic trip. But him having a crush on Luna is only for fun's sake
|2003-11-17, 16:12
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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — Any questions?
That's what Denny Hamlin asked immediately after taking the checkered flag to win the exhibition Sprint Unlimited Saturday night at Daytona International Speedway.
After missing four races and struggling for most of the 2013 season with a back injury, Hamlin faces a lot of questions entering 2014. He started answering those questions by winning a thrilling victory to kick off the new year.
With a broken bone in his back causing him pain, Hamlin suffered through a miserable season last year. He won the season finale at Homestead-Miami Speedway, however, and came out with guns ablazing Saturday night.
Did he have something to prove?
"He's on a mission," teammate Kyle Busch said.
"I like to prove it to myself," Hamlin said. "I started feeling better last year and after the win at Homestead, I realized that we run as good as I feel, and I feel pretty comfortable in the car. I can do about anything I feel like. You don't like to talk about what you can do, you want to show people."
Hamlin made a daring three-wide move for the lead with two laps to go and then helf off Brad Keselowski and Busch to win a race that was marred by a big crash that took out nearly half the field.
MORE: Big crash | Pace car catches fire | Petty responds
"Any questions?" Hamlin asked over his team radio after taking the checkered flag.
"The best car won, that's for sure," he said in victory lane. "That's two in a row for us."
MORE: Engine woes | Dale and Danica | Wrecking No. 3?
Keselowski finished second, followed by Busch, Joey Logano and Kevin Harvick as just eight cars were running at the finish.
Hamlin, who won the 2006 Sprint Unlimited as a rookie, led 27 of the 75 laps.
The big crash erupted on Lap 35, wiping out seven cars and leaving just eight running at the finish.
"It was a race of attrition," Keselowski said.
The crash started when two-time Daytona 500 winner Matt Kenseth dove to the inside lane and hit Logano, causing them both to spin and igniting a multicar crash.
Tony Stewart, who is recovering from a broken leg, was involved as Jeff Gordon, Kurt Busch and others slammed into his car. Also involved were Carl Edwards, Joey Logano, Danica Patrick and Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
After slamming into Gordon and Busch, jacking their cars up off the ground, Stenhouse lost control of his car and slammed into the spinning car of Patrick, his girlfriend.
No one was injured in the crash and Stewart, who was running his first race since August, said his healing leg was fine.
Kenseth took the blame for the crash, saying he didn't know Logano was on his inside.
"I feel bad I took out that many cars," he said. "That's not the way you want to start the season."
The season-opening exhibition race was filled with drama. Even the NASCAR pace car caught on fire, forcing driver Brett Bodine to bail out under caution and bringing back memories of 2012, when Juan Pablo Montoya hit a jet dryer under caution, igniting a huge explosion.
When the race resumed with 20 laps remaining, Kyle Busch made a daring move, drifting down the track and hitting Brad Keselowski, causing Busch to spin. Busch saved the car, suffering only minor damage to the front of his car.
Four laps after the next restart, Marcos Ambrose bumped Dale Earnhardt Jr. and turned him into the wall, destroying is car. An angry Earnhardt then bumped Ambrose's car under caution to show his displeasure.
"We just got turned into the wall," Earnhardt said. "We had a good car, but there's a lot of torn-up cars out there."
Earnhardt shrugged off bumping Ambrose under caution.
"He bent the steering on my car and I couldn't steer it very well," he deadpanned. "His car was tore up anyway so it didn't matter."
Hamlin started on the pole by virtue of leading practice and shared the lead during the first 30-lap segment with Jamie McMurray and Kevin Harvick.
After Harvick took the lead, McMurray faded and had to pit with an overheating engine. Hamlin then charged past Harvick for the lead on Lap 24 and led the final six laps of the first 30-lap segment.
Sprint Cup champion Jimmie Johnson, meanwhile, worked his way from the back to the front before spinning out and crashing on Lap 30.
Patrick had an adventurous first segment. She got shuffled to the back, lost the draft, and then worked her way to the front, where she pushed Johnson and Stenhouse to the front. She then got shuffled to the rear again and had to serve a penalty during the caution period for having too many men over the wall on her pit stop.