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"War Room" Notes Describe IT Chaos At Healthcare.gov
"Third World characteristics describe War Room deliberations at Healthcare.gov."
After all, had this happened in some far away land, we'd be congratulating ourselves for "not being them", right? And how we, being the "first world", are better at implementation, with "checks" and "balances" at every step.
The only winning move is not to play.
But ends up costing multiple times more in the end.
Yes, as opposed to buying something like Oracle, where the highest bidder wins, and also ends up costing multiple times in the end.
You forgot how troops were sent into the Iraq war without body armor, and the families of soldiers had to take up collections of donations to buy body armor for their sons and daughters because the military wouldn't supply it to the troops. That's our federal government right there.
The thing is that things are now working the way they should be. That is were now criticizing the web site, the process, the contracts and learning lessons. This is how government is supposed to work. The republicans are going to town with criticizing the many faults of the website - which is perfectly fair and what they should have done to begin with. The Republicans never should have held the American public hostage to try and kill the ACA and they did tremendous damage to the economy by shutting down the government.
The Democrats meanwhile should be held accountable for an absolutely atrocious website and project that never would have passed even the most basic of reviews in the private world. The Republican criticisms of the website are pretty much well founded from what I have seen. If the Democrats had reached out to the private sector instead of designing the thing by political committee it could have been built to a much higher standard.
I'm not taking sides on this argument, what I am doing is saying that all government across the political spectrum should be held to this level of scrutiny and accountability. The long standing methods of bidding out government work have led to nothing but rampant fraud and inefficiencies that could never work anywhere except the federal government. Reform is needed, and if this website finally causes reform of government bidding and projects than it will have done more good than it ever meant too.
I am more bored than you could ever possibly be. Go back to work.


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Awesome - I'm seriously gettin a pair of those - they look smart as f--k, dude!
Just bought some myself...got super horny just trying them on; pic. soon
The sport where they wear the shortest shorts ever- Rugby
Military guys
I'd love suck this guys cock, and he can fuck me hard, love those pecs, uh oh I'm hard again, time for a suck, my friend just got home, see ya.
I like the "tennis shorts" of the 1980's. They were fashionable and short too.
They are hot!!!!!
Real military guy with boner in his sleep. Priceless and very hot!
short. shorts are so so so hot!!! especialy the athletic ones!!!
Are there any men's short shorts that are not athletic wear?
I'd like to challenge a straight college jock to wear these.
What a sexy looking guy in those cutoffs. Would like to see his ass in them as well.

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Stop the Don Sahong dam and save Mekong dolphins
WWF's research estimates that about 85 dolphins survive in a 190-km stretch of the Mekong River between Kratie province in Cambodia and the border with Laos. Construction of the dam on the mainstem of the Mekong River is scheduled to start later this year. The proposed site for the dam is right next to dolphins' core habitat. The Dam will cause the disappearance of dolphins from Laos, and increase their risk of extinction from the Mekong.
Sign the petition to stop Don Sahong Dam"As the sole project developer and a newcomer to hydropower, Mega First should act responsibly as a corporation and as a global citizen, and respect internationally accepted dam development standards," said Mr Chhith Sam Ath, Country Director of WWF-Cambodia. "If the Don Sahong dam is built, it will be the final nail in the coffin of Irrawaddy Dolphins. There is still hope for these dolphins, but it rests in the hands of the directors of Mega First Corporation."
The dam builders plan to use explosives to excavate millions of tonnes of rock, creating strong sound waves that could potentially kill the dolphins, which have highly sensitive hearing structures. Increased boat traffic, changes in water quality and habitat destruction pose other major risks to their survival.
"The dam's impacts on the dolphins probably cannot be mitigated, and certainly not through the limited and vague plans outlined in the project's environmental impact assessment," said Mr Gerry Ryan, author of a scientific review of potential impacts of the Don Sahong Hydropower Project titled 'The Don Sahong Dam and the Mekong Dolphin'. "The Directors of Mega First have a choice – to side with the great river and its people, and find a sustainable path, or to continue with this flawed project and precipitate the extinction of the Mekong's dolphins," Mr Ryan added.
Earlier this year, WWF's analysis revealed that the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) conducted by Mega First uses flawed and incomplete research, putting at risk the world's most productive inland fisheries, and the livelihoods of 60 million people living in the Lower Mekong Basin. Despite calls by the Cambodian Government, non-governmental organisations, civil society groups and local communities along the Mekong River for in-depth trans-boundary impact assessments; Mega First has decided to forge ahead with the project.
"The Don Sahong dam is a dangerous experiment that if built could see permanent damage to the Mekong River's ecosystem. It will most certainly hasten the disappearance of the Mekong dolphins," Mr Chhith Sam Ath said. "We urge the general public to sign the petition. Your signature will ensure your voice is heard to protect the rich biodiversity and future of the Mekong."
Mekong dolphins have great cultural significance to local communities and bring tangible livelihood benefits. Dolphin-watching tours are a major contributor to growth, bringing in much needed income to local communities.
"It is the responsibility of Mega First to ensure thorough, objective and scientifically rigorous methods so that this project will avoid all impacts on dolphins and the Mekong River's fisheries," said Mr Marc Goichot, Manager of Sustainable Hydropower & River Basin Management with WWF-Greater Mekong.
Better alternatives to the Don Sahong dam exist. The Thakho Project, which would generate approximately the same amount of electricity as the Don Sahong dam at a lower cost and with far less impact, does not involve building a barrier across any of the channels of the Mekong mainstream. Unfortunately, the Thakho project cannot move ahead if the Don Sahong dam proceeds as they compete for the same water.
WWF calls for a suspension of the Don Sahong Dam pending completion of independent, comprehensive and scientific trans-boundary studies, including transparent consultation with governments, civil society and communities that would be affected by the proposed dam, and the investigation of more sustainable options.
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The only wooden whaling ship in the world, the Charles W. Morgan, has just emerged from a painstaking five-year restoration, and is about to depart on its 38th voyage into the waters of the Atlantic.
But instead of hunting whales, today, the Morgan is all about saving them.
From the Here & Now Contributors Network, WNPR'S J Holt has the story.
- J Holt, reporter for WNPR. He tweets @anchorsaj.
The only wooden whaling ship in the world, the Charles W. Morgan, has just emerged from a painstaking five-year restoration and is about to depart for its 38th voyage on the waters of the Atlantic Ocean. But instead of hunting whales, today the Morgan's mission is to save them. From the HERE AND NOW Contributors Network, WNPR's J Holt has our story.
J HOLT, BYLINE: On the east bank of the Mystic River, a few miles and two drawbridges in from Connecticut's coast line, is the Mystic Seaport Maritime Museum. The many old vessels tied to its warfs and the village of old houses and shops ashore making it easy for visitors to imagine they might have stepped back in time over a hundred years. Over the last several decades, millions of them have heard shouting like...
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: (Unintelligible).
HOLT: ...Come from the deck of the Charles W. Morgan, the world's last surviving wooden whaling ship and the oldest commercial vessel afloat in the United States. As the seaports flagship, she sat there as a display piece for over 70 years, and a staff of interpreters and demonstrators served to give museum-goers a sense of what it might have been like to work on an old whaler.
SEAN BERCAW: You know, when we're interpreting the vessel, we'd be interpreting, you know, the sailors of old would do this. They would do that.
HOLT: Sean Bercaw first worked at the museum in 1984.
BERCAW: Well, they did it this way but we don't know why. They'll have entries like, hove two in the usual fashion, which, to them, was totally explanatory. But to us, we're like, OK, and what is that? What is the usual fashion?
HOLT: The seaport is finally learning the answer to that question and others like it. After a career spent running tall ships, Bercaw has just returned to the Morgan as her second mate, and this isn't a demonstration.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Stand by to set out our top sails.
BERCAW: Stand by to set out our top sails high.
HOLT: With these commands, the Morgan is actually being sailed during her first sea trials since the 1920s. She's just completed a five-year restoration in the seaport's shipyard, and in preparation for her 38th voyage, which begins this weekend, her new crew is shaking down the vessel in New London where they've spent the last few weeks commissioning her with the build crew. To many involved, it feels like the old ship is coming alive.
KIP FILES: I mean, she's built with things that were alive.
HOLT: That's Captain Kip Files who signed on last fall as the Morgan's 22nd captain.
FILES: You know, she's a wooden vessel, and the feel of a wooden vessel and an iron or steel or fiberglass vessel - this is a little bit different in the seaway. They talk to you differently. And so the opportunity to take her and actually move her around and sail her and hear those commands again and the creaking of the decks when she's going through a seaway and stuff - that brings her back to life. And so it's just another link in the chain of her history.
HOLT: It's quite a chain. This crew will join the ranks of the Morgan's 1200 previous sailors started previous sailor on the last example of more than 2700 American whalers which collectively logged almost 15,000 voyages over 200 years.
FILES: It's the most historic sailing event of historic vessels in my lifetime. I don't know how you're going to top it. 1841 - think of it - 1841 when this vessel was built and then went out to do commercial work. California was a part of Mexico. (Laughing) Right, that far back.
HOLT: In addition to 15 professional sailors, the Morgan will count a revolving cast of volunteers and 30 seaport employees among her crew for the voyage. For Sarah Spencer who's worked at the seaport for 24 years and will join the crew later in the journey, it brings a lot of emotions.
SARAH SPENCER: It's a mingling. It's a little nerve-racking. I mean, she's the last of her kind in the world so you just hope everything goes just as it should, but it's wildly exciting. I've climbed on the ship, I've felt the rig in my hands and under my feet and hung out on the yards, but to actually do it while she's underway is mind-boggling.
HOLT: More than at the heart of its workers, the Morgan is in many ways the heart of the seaport. Already the last of her kind when she came up the river in 1941, she passed nearly empty riverbanks which had been home to a thriving ship building industry in the century before. Her new home had only two buildings on the premises, and just a couple small vessels in the fleet. According to ships historian Matthew Stackpole...
MATTHEW STACKPOLE: To have the Morgan be the center of attention and have all of the energy and talent connected with it has been invigorating to the museum, I think, in a really, really positive way.
HOLT: And now the Morgan will sail off on a voyage to some of New England's most important old whaling ports, bringing with her a story of America's connection to the sea. The ship will be open for tours. Her whaleboats will be put into action, and she'll be accompanied by a dockside exhibition including a 46-foot inflatable sperm whale.
BERCAW: To take the ship to sea again - to take her on her 38th voyage is a way to bring attention to all the history that she carries with her. That's her cargo today. It's history in all of its multifaceted, complicated layers. Some of them are inspiring and exciting. Some of them are terrible that we need to remember so that we don't repeat. But it's the whole package. And because she's the real thing, she can help us remember that.
HOLT: The first stop on the latest voyage of the Charles W. Morgan will be Newport, Rhode Island followed by Martha's Vineyard, which six of her captains called home, and then New Bedford, Massachusetts, where she was built 173 years ago. Later in the voyage, she'll pay visit the Stellwagen Bank Sanctuary in search of whales, this time to support their protection. For HERE AND NOW, I'm J Holt.
CHAKRABARTI: And we bid the Morgan fair winds and following seas. HERE AND NOW is a production of NPR and WBUR Boston in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Meghna Chakrabarti.
I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is HERE AND NOW. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.


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Who's the Naked Guy and Why Does He Matter?
One puzzle in the passion story is, Who's the young man running through the garden without his clothes on?
Mark 14:51–52 says,
And a young man followed [Jesus], with nothing but a linen cloth about his body. And they seized him, but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked.
There are several options for who this is. But the best may be that it's the Gospel-writer Mark himself, who was in the city and an eyewitness to the Passion week proceedings. William Lane explains:
Several Fathers of the Church conjectured that the young man was Mark himself, who is known to have been a resident in Jerusalem (Acts 12:12) and in whose house, it was held by tradition, Jesus celebrated the [Passover] meal. If this is correct, Mark was an eyewitness to the transactions in Gethsemane. His primary purpose for including this vignette, however, appears to have been to emphasize the fact that all fled, leaving Jesus alone in the custody of the police. No one remained with Jesus, not even a valiant young man who intended to follow him. (The Gospel According to Mark, 527-528)
Jesus had no help at the cross from his followers. Only he could bring about our salvation, and so he had to work alone. Not even the young man Mark, with all the strength and vigor of youth, could help the Savior in his darkest hour.


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To the writer of the hate letter I received. I am sorry you feel too ashamed to sign your name or use a return address. In regards to the individual you were defending, yes I have heard second hand, that he is very smart, as he has informed many others of his intelligence. Sorry, I'm not impressed. How about common sense?? Practical common sense and the respect for, and cooperation with others while doing their job, is in my opinion, much more accepted by the public. It promotes through cooperation, a "working together environment" and does not create a wall of animosity and hate between county employees and rural residents.
But sitting behind a person and rudely disrupting and mocking a conversation that was going on at the time while I was explaining to the supervisors how they were deceived and lied to, is that a sign of intelligence? In my book it seems more like immaturity. Maybe we can talk to the supervisors before their meeting sometime, so you can hear if what I said was factual about this person acting so unprofessional by committing such a commotion behind my back.
If you are upset about the comments on the road, I invite you come over and let me take you for a drive to show what IS going on. I am concerned about road safety for all people, even you. (Don't worry about your identity. With todays methods, there was enough evidence to pretty well identify who you are). If you stop over, we will talk to some of the residents who are forced to use these dangerous one way "mountain goat paths". I am sure you will be told by many of the affected residents, and rightly so, say there was NO practical common sense used in the construction of these roads. And definitely they will say, there was no sign of intelligence that was apparent or displayed during or upon the completion of the job. I can still show you large rocks and destroyed tile left in the ditches, and some rock was just disgarded into a creek and left. We were discriminated against with a road with no shoulders for safety and legally vandalized with some of our property.
Look, there is a verse that says "Love the sinner, but hate the sin". I can identify with that verse just fine. I have nothing against "your man" you are defending. He seems to be a nice man, easy to visit with, always looks professional. I could sit down and have coffee with him anytime. It is the things he does or does not do that has angered many of us people in the county. In the Iowa Constitution, Art. 1 We have the right to safety as well as other rights. That law is totally abrogated by the county as far as the low volume roads are concerned.
Sorry to have to make public awareness of this issue, but you did not give me a way to contact you. You also could have just visited me or called to keep it private.
But even with the warning which you gave me, I DO FORGIVE YOU. Have a good day.
P.S. Anymore letters without a legitimate return address will be burned without opening.
(signed) Tillford Egland
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The lights are on
Rayman Origins and Rayman Legends charmed gamers in recent years with their cool concept art-like visual style. The same creative tool used to create those games, the UbiArt Framework, is behind the upcoming Child of Light.
The game includes cooperative play in a traditional JRPG combat system, and a charming fairy tale story. A new video includes an extensive walkthrough of a section of the game, along with commentary from lead programmer Brianna Code.
Child of Light is hitting PS4, Xbox One, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii U, and PC early in 2014. Check out the video below, and share your thoughts about the upcoming role-playing title in the comments below.
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BOSTON — Attorney General Martha Coakley has sued the Federal Housing Finance Agency and mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for refusing to comply with a state law designed to stem the tide of foreclosures in Massachusetts.
The lawsuit was filed Monday in Suffolk Superior Court.
Coakley said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac violated a 2012 Massachusetts law that allows the sale of homes in foreclosure to nonprofit organizations who intend to restructure the loan and sell the property back to the homeowner.
Coakley said the law has worked in Massachusetts.
"It just makes sense to take action that will continue to keep people in their homes," Coakley said. "It makes commercial sense. It makes financial sense and it's frankly the law and not to do it is really unfair."
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are under the control of the federal housing agency.
The 2012 state law explicitly forbids banks and lenders from refusing to consider offers from legitimate buyback programs merely because the property will be resold to the former homeowner.
Critics of the Massachusetts law have argued that allowing homes to be sold back to homeowners who were unable to maintain their original mortgage would create a "moral hazard" by essentially allowing the homeowner to benefit from a bad contract.
But Coakley said the argument is outdated given the state is still trying to dig out of the foreclosure crisis.
"Why not do the commercially reasonable thing which is allow a not-for-profit to buy it, fix it up and rent it back to family to own?" she said.
Coakley pointed to a one buyback program, Boston Community Capital's Stabilizing Urban Neighborhoods initiative, that she said is harmed by the refusal of the federal housing agencies to abide by the state law. The lawsuit argues that such programs have helped slow the spread of urban blight.
The organization buys foreclosed, bank-owned homes at their present market value and sells the properties back to the original homeowners if they qualify for affordable financing. Coakley said Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have continued to block buybacks even though they lose money in the process.
The CEO of Boston Community Capital, Elyse Cherry, has said the organization has helped restructure about 500 mortgages. She said the group first makes sure the homeowner is in stable fiscal shape before buying the home and structuring a fixed 30-year-rate mortgage and selling it back.
In the complaint, Coakley alleges that two of FHFA's policies violate state law.
One of the policies intended to keep Fannie and Freddie in an "arm's-length transaction" prohibits property sales to nonprofits who resell to the original homeowner.
A second "make whole" policy prevents Fannie and Freddie from accepting anything less than the outstanding loan amount from the former homeowner or anyone seeking to resell or rent to the former homeowner.


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Dear Friends,
Once again it's time to start your Christmas season by enjoying all that Home for the Holidays has to offer.
Our schedule is full of many family events as usual. You will find a big change on our schedule, as we have moved our House Walk to Saturday.
We spent many hours looking for a solution to the conflicts of Black Friday and our sincere hope is that more of you will be able to join us from 11 a.m to 6 p.m. Saturday.
Diane Sprole and Penny Olson Langland have a wonderfully "nostalgic" tour of four beautiful older Morris homes for you to view this year, along with the tea, which will be hosted by Immaculate Conception Church.
On behalf of the Home for the Holidays Committee, I would like to thank our 2013 host families for allowing our community to tour your amazing homes and Christmas décor.
We realize this is a large undertaking and truly appreciate your willingness to do this for the community.
Home for the Holidays is especially grateful to the Morris Public Works Department for agreeing to provide the manpower to light all of our downtown trees.
It is a holiday wonderland in our nostalgic downtown after dark.
We appreciate the generosity of the city to add this task to its already full schedule.
We would also like to thank Mayor Kopczick, Sheriff Callahan and the courthouse staff, the Morris Daily Herald, WCSJ/WJDK, Morris Public Library, Morris Rotary, FOE Lodge, Immaculate Conception Church, the Girls Scouts of Service Unit 9 Trailways Council and Mary Miller-Roed.
The weekend would not be possible without countless volunteers who donate precious holiday weekend time to help us make this event a success.
Thank you all for everything you do.
Home for the Holidays is a weekend event, but for our committee it is a year-round job. I thank them all for their dedication to this project. This year's committee members are: Diane Sprole, Penny Olson-Langland, Missy Durkin, Carol Hutchings, Ken Buck, Sara Grieff, Judy Smith, Jeri Robinson, Dawn Kuhn and Donna Ramirez. A very special thanks to Julie Applegate, who handles so many of the day to day details, which make Home for the Holidays run smoothly.
As I have told you in past years, there are so many activities to enjoy this weekend for the whole family. Please join us for the lighted parade, a visit with Santa, a trolley or carriage ride through our beautiful downtown, a walk through nostalgic homes or come down to meet some of Santa's favorite reindeer.
It is a great time to make family memories, start your Christmas shopping or just catch a little Holiday spirit when you see the delight of a child's first glimpse of Santa.
Merry Christmas to all,
Deb Baker
Chairwoman of Home for the Holidays


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James Reeves is a writer, designer, educator, and self-proclaimed motorist. Reeves, who attended the University of Michigan in the film and design program and the Pratt Institute in Brooklyn, New York, has held many different occupations in his search for happiness in life (23 part time jobs to be exact). After graduating, he taught classes at the Pratt Institute and the Parson's School of Design, developed a K-12 design program in Brooklyn, and also taught elementary, middle, and high school. Reeve's most recent publication, The Road to Somewhere: An American Memoir, has been hailed by Andre Dubus III (author of House of Sand and Fog) as, "a tantalizing 21st century cross between James Agee's Let Us Now Praise Famous Men and Jack Kerouac's On the Road, and he regards Reeves as a "new and important American voice." His book, which is based on his experiences as a traveler across America and his search for a meaningful adult life, reveals an America that hides under the surface. James Reeves is currently a partner at the Civic Center in New Orleans, which is also where he currently resides. The Civic Center is a creative studio that was designed to aid in the retransformation of public spaces into creative, interactive places. For more information on Reeves, visit his website at http://bigamericannight.com/.
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Can anyone post pics of pakistani food? when i say pakistani food i mean regional food, meaning from the 4 provinces or northern areas
Can anyone post pics of pakistani food? when i say pakistani food i mean regional food, meaning from the 4 provinces or northern areas
Kata kat, is a a really good pakistani (punjabi) dish
its made with all parts of lamb or cow:
YouTube - Kat-a-Kat
Balti Gosht is a really good one:
Chapli Kabab is awesome:
Looks tempting.
These food threads always make me feeling hungry at odd hours.
Is there a veg food thread
RIP Phil Hughes. Forever 63*
^ lol pakistanis are heavy meat eaters, vegetarian food is pretty rare in pakistan. though i personally like south indian food
And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
where is the gosht????? In Pakistan gosht means beef or mutton.......you have posted pics of chicken
Why are you trying to tell a Pakistani living in Pakistan about their food habbits when i believe you are a Indian living in Canada ,IF I am not wrong?
Are you a expert on food?
My favourite South Indian snack, Gol Gappa.
Pakistani Food - Pakistani Food Recipes
Found this nice website for Pakistani food.
Contains videos of preparation too.
Btw,how different are the Food items in the west of pakistan to the ones in the east?
I believe the cuisine mostly in the eastern part of the country specially the south east part is pretty similar to northern indian cuisine?
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hmmm i have not read the manga...but...i flicked through the last few chapters...
the anime indeed to seasoned watchers is focused more on zero....
unless the second part of the manga focuses on kanames past.... im positive yuuki will end up with zero...
tbh the author is trying to give seasoned watchers a run for their money by changing
some of the "rules" that determine who ends up with who...
the only solid fact here is...if yuuki has chosen kaname at this point in the manga,....
the romance ends here? what is the point of a continuation
the only two choices would be
1) keep the current relation ship b/w kanama and yuuki and just have vampire fights here and there with zero
2) show the change b/w zero understanding what he is truly a human a vampire or something else ....and yuuki "graduating" from her first love....
on a personal note....if choice 1 was chosen the manga wud just dragon ball zd...
if choice 2 were chosen and STILL She ends up with kaname...basically.....
if zero were to exist hed be in the top percent of most unhappy people ever born
|2009-01-11, 06:26
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Actually right now I think that zero is very content w/himself.. If he wasn't he would of fought for yuki to stay instead he more less pushed her out the door.. I don't view this as a total romance but more of a coming of age story. If yuki had remained with zero their would be no need for them to go on with the anime/manga. Either way even if yuki did pick zero they would never live happily forever unless she remained his food. His life is still not his own because he did not drink shizuka blood himself. Zero does not have eternal life~ kaname does.
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for me there was always something so dark and sinister about kaname, like he had a hidden agenda. and that Yuuki, by being at his side, would be in danger. and im not sure if yuuki is really inlove with kaname, perhaps it just admiration. its so obvious that zero is completely inlove with her. but what happens in the future is so unpredictable... cant wait to read the next chapter.
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I think kaname is more like an open book. He left nothing to chance and revealed the truth to everyone. I liked that in the anime he explained everything. If he really was so sinister and had a hidden agenda l~ Aido said it best he would of used them to the end and told them nothing. So he actually does care about everyone, but you musn't forget why he did everything ...It's not only because yuki is his only family, but because he promised their mother to protect her and he only had 10years and 1 shot to get it right. Even Zero can't deny that one I think yuki really does love him, because she loved him when she knew nothing : I don't think it will change now that she's awakend. The question your looking for is how strong is that love for kaname in comparison with Zero? and the awnser to that has yet to be revealed..
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I feel like kaname loves Yuuki unconditionally. Zero has his conditions. ( She's a evil pure blood) I am so discusted with him right now. He needs to go and get his head scruwed on right. He had his reasons true but still, Yuuki deserves better then a gun to her head. Kaname in the meen time is loving and protective. Zero has to work hard if he wants to win Yuuki.
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Not at all http://www.vampire-knight.jp/special.html
It's from the official site Enjoy.
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I watched very little of the anime...so, I don't know how Kaname's feelings towards Yuuki were portrayed.
I've heard that the anime ended with a scene similar to the most recent manga chapter. I liked Yuuki as a character, until that scene.
I'm not into the shipping wars, really; my choice used to be KanamexYuuki, until we discovered their true relation; after that, I started to support ZeroxYuuki
At least in the manga, Kaname's feelings for Yuuki are seen like really brotherly; he doesn't look like he's interested on having Yuuki as his lover, even though that's what normally pure blood vampires would do. In fact, I like how Kaname treats Yuuki It's Yuuki who pisses me.
She pisses me because she doesn't seem to get the true feelings of Kaname towards her; and she doesn't seem to give a damn either for Zero's feelings towards her. She thinks she loves his brother...I'm really hoping for something to happen that would make her question herself; right now, she's looking for safety, not love.
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Just remember kaname is not her natural brother..The difference is she doesn't know that...It doesn't surprise me that matsuri Hino created kaname and yuki relationship that way.. Purebloods are considered Royalty and intermarry to keep their bloodline pure. It is the same in our world Especially in Europe.. brothers and sisters don't marry but cousins often marry to keep the royal bloodline pure... Just about every Royal is related to one or another in more than one way.. But in actuality any relative after the 5th generation typically cousins are not related to you..they are removed ..
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|2009-03-12, 05:57
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Kaname is the symbol of the "noble vampire". Cunning, intelligent, bound to his word and care about his surroundings. Perhaps if the time calls he's not hesitating to sacrafice someone for something greater value.
Zero was his "toy" to defeat Rido and save Yuuki... For him Zero has little value not to mention that his(Zero's) whole personae leads to self-destruction.
I'm leaning towards Kaname in terms of Yuuki's love but Zero still had a chance. Yuuki's very kind(and not only in vampire standards but in human standards too), so Zero has one chance to catch Yuuki's haerth: Pity. Yuuki's overly kind attitude a key for Zero. But it's only a slim chance.
|2009-04-24, 03:53
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Well...Kaname and Yuuki not exactly siblings(cause we know well what Rido done to Kaname when he was young), but blood related. But we speaking about vampires...Kaname exactly mentions that they're monsters so it doesn't matter if they're siblings or not. Human laws just plainly useless on them.
|2009-06-19, 04:25
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I am rooting for kanamexyuki. I personnaly feel like a zeki ending way to predictable. I like zero but to me he is the typical angst boy with a bad attitude who had a hard life so he should get the girl. I have seen that too many times before. I mean right now yuki is with kaname but of course she will probably be thinking of zero,like come on who doesn't see that coming? To me its a better twist if she stays with kaname since most people think bcuz they got together now she will find her way back to zero to me that would be predictable and déjà vu.
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They are literally filing for bankruptcy and assuring their customers that they are fine and can rely on them at the same time...
Ah, but it's easy to placate your customers when you don't have any.
You want an example of companies that go bankrupt while maintaining operations?
See: US Airline Industry
So let's see... you took $500 million in paid in equity and in nine short years managed to parley that into a princely sum less than $5 million. In the history of your company your only profitable quarter a judge has found that some if not all of your revenue was the proceeds of conversion that you have spent and can no longer pay back. Your liabilities include the counterclaims remaining from baseless lawsuits you have filed after your claims have been revealed to have no substance.
Liquidation cannot cu
They are literally filing for bankruptcy and assuring their customers that they are fine and can rely on them at the same time... AT THE SAME TIME!
That's what Chapter 11 bankruptcy is all about. It allows you to reorganize your business and liabilities so you can stay in business.Falcon
And tell the fat lady to start warming up.
It's been a long time coming, but still they had to know this day would arrive. If shareholders weren't really in it for the crapshoot of beating IBM and Novell for $Billion$ they'd have a case against Darl and his lot for running the business into the ground pursuing frivolous lawsuits.
SCO's income from normal opperations must be down to a trickle with Linux and Windows Server vying for most of the market.
Emerge from Chapter 11? I can't see how, unless somehow there was a reversal of court decisions and they're doing nothing to grow their product market.
"SCO is doing this to make Novell into a creditor with respect to the money SCO owes to Novell."
Won't work. Novell's claim isn't as a creditor. Their claim is "equitable", meaning that SCO is holding theor property ($$$), not that SCO owes them money. When you go bankrupt, anyone who can show that they own property you're holding on to can claim it from the trustee.
This happens a lot with vending machines, for example, when a plant goes bust. The owner proves that the machine is theirs (not leased or anything - it really is theirs), and they then get to pick it up.
Since Novell already has a judgment saying that SCO is guilty of conversion, and the question is "how much", they have a prior claim to the property (money) in question. SCO is dead.
'If SCO was dissolved the case against IBM would disappear.'
That would be a bad thing, we don't want the IBM case to disappear, we want IBM have a very strong favorable ruling. Any other outcome means this was all a waste of time with no precedents set.
I disagree.
The Novell ruling removed any chance of a precedence being set. once Judge Kimball said "Novel owns the copyrights, and Novell did have the right to prevent you from suing IBM" the IBM case was dead. There was no chance a precedence would be set as far as Open Source code and the Free Software community was concerned.
This result has no effect on IBM except to limit the additional outlay of money IBM has to spend to defend themselves. There is obviously no money in SCO to pay IBM for the litigat
Can you say Schadenfreude in English?
Yes. It's pronounced "ha HA!", preferably in a high-pitched, somewhat nasal voice reminiscent of a certain cartoon character.
For those of you who bought SCOX stock in hopes that they would win this case, you had better sell it. In the past 20 minutes, it has dropped from $0.66 to $0.37 cents (and still is dropping).
We want to assure our customers and partners that they can continue to rely on SCO products, support and services for their business critical operations
Aside from the lawyers for whom SCO is a source of billable hours, who relies on SCO for any products, support, or services? Are these the same folks looking to George W. for stategic planning? The masses going to Michael Vick for pet care tips? OJ for public relations?
But since Bart is male, shouldn't it be "der Bart, der"?
Unless he's talking about several Barts, but then you'd have to conjugate the noun as well and it'd become something like "die Barten, die". Or "die Bärte, die"?
Actually Bärte means "beards" in German, with the singular "Bart" which is masculine. So my best guess is that the tattoo was a badly written German version of "the beards, the".
So what's Sideshow Bob's interest in beards anyway? As possibilities we have Jasper Beardly, the Sea Captain, but most interestingly, Krusty's father: Rabbi Hyman Krustofski.
My guess is that Sideshow Bob is either a latent Nazi with a hatred for Hyman, or he is one of these wusses who cannot grow a decent beard and is taking it out on Krusty.
An alternate theory is that I have too much time on my hands.
"G2 Computer Intelligence" is listed as a debtor by SCOX in their filings, so now we know she's the paided little whore we always suspected her to be.
That's right Maureen, you're fucking out of the fucking closet.
In other words, like many religious folk, the Linux-loving crunchies in the open-source movement are a) convinced of their own righteousness, and b) sure the whole world, including judges, will agree.
They should wake up. SCO may not be very good at making a profit by selling software. But it is very good at getting what it wants from other companies. And it has a tight circle of friends.
Why, oh, why can't we have a comment from the quintessential blurbmeister here? Rob, where are you in this historic moment to weigh the subtle issues and deliver some clarity in fifteen words or less?
Will you all please give him some hits on his blog at ITBE [itbusinessedge.com] and let him know we need his insight at this trying time?
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Japan Against Itself
Blueprint for a New Japan
Writing about the current state of Japanese politics is a bit like grabbing interviews with soldiers in the midst of battle. Prime Minister Hosokawa Morihiro resigned on April 8 after admitting that he had used a loan of almost one million dollars from a trucking company with gangster connections for political purposes. The situation is so fluid that we do not know which of the present political parties will survive the next general election, to be held some time later this year. Nor is it absolutely certain as I write who the next prime minister will be, though it is likely to be the foreign minister, Hata Tsutomu. There will be splits, new alliances, new parties, and some old parties might disappear altogether. The divisions in today's coalition government run so deep that the different parties in government can really agree on one thing only: that the ancien régime, monopolized by a congeries of conservative factions called the Liberal Democratic Party, had to go.
It is to Hosokawa's credit that his demise has not prompted any nostalgia for the former government. The next prime minister will not be chosen by factions of one party, but by several parties with distinct politics. This new pluralism, however fragile and contentious, was unthinkable before Hosokawa came to power.
LDP factions were not so much based on political differences, which were marginal at best, as on the political power of the faction bosses. The role of a faction boss was to rake in enough corporate money, in exchange for favors, to ensure that his faction's members could spend lavishly enough to get re-elected and eventually rise to the top jobs in the party and Parliament. In other words, to be a successful LDP politician you had to be corrupt. You also had to be good at forming alliances with other faction bosses in the backrooms of Tokyo's best geisha houses. To be a good LDP boss, in short, was like being a good Mafia don. And as a rule the most successful faction bosses would become prime minister.
The reformation of Japanese politics began with a rebellion inside the LDP, which had governed the country since 1955. This rebellion, in the summer of 1993, was led by a number of youngish politicians (fifty being considered almost pubescent in the LDP), led by Hata Tsutomu and Ozawa Ichiro. Both had been cabinet ministers. Like almost all successful LDP politicians, including the former Prime Minister Hosokawa Morihiro, who left the LDP to form his own party in 1992, they are tainted by the kind of corruption that LDP politicians have usually engaged in to advance their careers. Ozawa is accused of accepting a great deal of money from a construction firm. Hosokawa received his loan from the Tokyo Sagawa Kyubin transport company when he ran for provincial governor in 1982. He was also accused of profiting from…
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i sonic vs s type vs futura
hi Kevin
congrats with the great results at the pwa slalom
now on topic
rider facts: high intermediate
182 cm and 76 kgs
preferred sailing between 12-30 knots
i have a sonic 110 from 2005 since a month and currently use it with severne overdrive 7.5 - 6.5 with select fins 37 -33
great combo but
as i have regularly heavy chop where i surf controlling the sonic becomes hard on the legs
as I still have to learn tuning the board i do not mind that too much
but now i am also looking for a smaller version but do not know to get an isonic 94 - s type 104 or wait for the futura details
according my starboard distributor getting an isonic 94 is like a s-type 104 re sail sizes but with the s type having more comfort and what i think to be an advantage the inside straps when it really gets bump & jump
as i heard the futura will have all the best of the isonic , stype and carve maybe it's best to wait for that one if they have something around 100l
i will keep the sonic 110 for a few years for sure
so what will be a good smaller board for usage with overdrive 6.5 & 5.5
(if it could also handle the 7.5 that would be a great +)
above 25-30 knots i use the wave equipment
thanks for your advice
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RE: i sonic vs s type vs futura
In my opinion the Stype is what sounds like it will work the best for you. I had very little time on the Futura and it was a great board. The Stype sounds like your best option right now for size, comfort and speed.
Hope this helps.
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#1 Composer Marvin Hamlisch dies at 68 in LA08-07-2012, 11:02 AM
Marvin Hamlisch, who composed the scores for dozens of movies including "The Sting" and won a Tony for "A Chorus Line," has died in Los Angeles at 68.Family spokesman Jason Lee said Hamlisch died Monday after a brief illness. Other details aren't being released.
Hamlisch's career included composing, conducting and arranging music from Broadway to Hollywood.
The composer won every major award in his career, including three Academy Awards, four Emmys, a Tony and three Golden Globes.
Playing the theme song from "The Sting" was considered a progressive step in childhood piano lessons of the 70s. Hamlisch re-worked old Scott Joplin tunes for the movie. I remember playing them on the violin along with one of my piano playing friends-it's easier to play on the violin because you only have to play the melody.
"A Chorus Line" is a great musical.
As a brass player growing up in the early 70's, yep, The Sting and Hamlisch's score revived Joplin's rags. Wonderful to play in a chamber setting, and I'm still playing his stuff today.
RIP, Marvin. You'll be playing and conducting in God's band.U.S. Army, Retired
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Big 12 player of the year Marcus Smart says he will return for his sophomore season at Oklahoma State, bucking a trend of one-and-done prospects across college basketball.
Saying he's a "Cowboy at heart," Smart said Wednesday that some believe he's making a mistake by passing up the chance to leave early for the NBA and the money that comes with it. The team's second- and third-leading scorers, Markel Brown and Le'Bryan Nash, joined Smart at a news conference at OSU's student union to announce they'd all be back.
Smart is the top prospect of them all, considered a likely top-five NBA draft pick. He averaged a team-best 15.4 points and 4.2 assists while leading the Cowboys to the NCAA tournament, where they lost to Oregon in their tourney opener.
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That's four games lost in a row. What is it? Are Tanguay and Giordano that important? Is Iggy's 500th goal that much of a distraction? Are the Flames just no longer motivated? I don't know, probably a combination of the three. But I do know is that I have no faith in this team.
I will say that the 19 shots doesn't speak to the chances that Calgary had, they certainly had enough chances. I'd say that they just really need some lucky bounces, but they've had them against the Islanders, the Sens, Nashville, and it doesn't seem to help.
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- Double MotoGP champion Casey Stoner is coming out of retirement to test for Honda
- The 27-year-old Australian will take part in four tests in Japan
- Stoner says he still misses riding a MotoGP bike but has no plans to make a full return
- Honda's new star Marc Marquez leads 2013 championship after a debut win at U.S. Grand Prix
Two-wheeled temptation has proved too much for retired MotoGP champion Casey Stoner.
Eight months ago the Australian quit the sport but now he is getting back on the bike to test for Honda.
Stoner will reunite with his old team in four tests at the Motegi circuit starting next month.
"This will allow me to enjoy what I miss -- riding a MotoGP bike!" said Stoner.
"I can't wait to get on the RCV [motorcycle] to see how it has changed from last year."
Stoner was Repsol Honda's defending MotoGP world champion before he made a shock decision to walk away from the sport at the end of the 2012 season.
Explaining his thoughts at the time, he said: "The sport has changed a lot and it has changed to the point where I am not enjoying it.
"There are a lot of things that have disappointed me, and also a lot of things I have loved about this sport, but unfortunately the balance has gone in the wrong direction."
Stoner's return to help out Honda has led to speculation the double world champion could be tempted to make a full-time return in 2014.
But the Australian, who is now competing in the second tier of the Australian V8 Supercars series this year, says that is not part of the plan.
"It's been almost seven months now since Valencia and I'm still happy and comfortable with the decision I made to stop motorcycle racing, even if sometimes I miss riding my RCV," he said.
"That's why I am happy with Honda's offer to do some tests in Motegi this year!"
Honda said a "wildcard" appearance by Stoner in the remaining MotoGP races this season was also "out of the question."
New star
The Japanese team have a new star riding high with Spanish rookie Marc Marquez leading his Repsol Honda team-mate Dani Pedrosa in the championship at the halfway point of the season.
The 20-year-old Spaniard came back from a qualifying crash to win on his first ride round California's Laguna Seca at the U.S. Grand Prix Sunday.
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"Before I came here, I was expecting to struggle more," Marquez told MotoGP.com. "From the TV, this circuit looked so tricky.
"At the beginning with a full fuel tank, I was a little bit scared. I'm very, very happy because it's a new circuit and I've got 25 points."
The other podium places at Laguna Seca were settled by Stefan Bradl of LCR Honda, who finished second ahead of seven-time world champion Rossi.


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Lake Bracciano (Lago di Bracciano) is a lake in the Italian region of Lazio, 32 km northwest of Rome. It has a perimeter of approximately 32 km. Three towns border the lake, Bracciano, Anguillara Sabazia and Trevignano Romano.
The lake is a popular location for Romans at weekends, particularly during the summer when the area can get extremely crowded. It serves as a drinking water reservoir for Rome and the use of motorboats is forbidden. This makes Bracciano one of the cleanest lakes of Italy. Swimming, sailing and other watersports are permitted.
Get in
The towns of Anguillara and Bracciano can be reached by train from Ostiense railway station in Rome. By car, take Rome's ring road (the GRA) to the Cassia bis exit and follow the signs to the lake. Alternatively, you can take the coastal Autostrada in the direction of Civitavecchia, leaving it at Cerveteri and following signs to Bracciano.
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Get out
The Etruscan tombs of Cerveteri are just 20 minutes from Bracciano to the southwest. Closer, but along a winding road to the northeast, leaving the lake at Trevignano, is Sutri, which has an interesting Roman amphitheatre carved out of rock.


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When sleeping bags and blankets adorned the music stands in the Hancock Room for a week in 1972, the Earlham group making and recording the now fabled Hoi' Polloi album could not have predicted the events leading to the album's recent reissue. The quality of both the music and its recording, however, wouldn't allow the story to go untold.
"I have just been amazed with the new life of the album in the last 10 years and quite proud of it," says John Schuerman '66, who is credited with holding the project together more than 40 years ago.
"It's a really neatly balanced album with some experimental touches and some classic rock elements," says Jason Henn '05, co-founder of Folk Evaluation, a music label that works to preserve music with an emphasis on the homemade and heartfelt. In August, Folk Evaluation released the Hoi' Polloi reissue.
"It is a broadly appealing album," Henn continues. "And its weirder moments help to make it especially collectible. The week we were thinking about whether we should do a reissue, one of the originals sold on eBay for $888.88, and we knew we had to go ahead with it."
Hancock Room As Recording Studio
The story begins during spring break 1972 when Charlie Bleak '72, Dan Mack '72, Bruce Wallace '72. Denny Murray '72, and non-student Jeff D'Angelo secured the Hancock Room and the equipment and services of Schuerman, who was then head of Earlham's Audio-Visual Department. Nearly 10 days of straight recording followed using two Revox A-77 two-track stereo recorders.
"We didn't have a multi-track recorder, so we used two different tape recorders," Mack recalls. "We also didn't have the luxury of recording one instrument per track, so we recorded several instruments and/or vocals onto one track. Then John 'bounced' that track to the second machine while recording the next set of instruments. If one take was really good except for one spot, we might decide to use it anyway, since the likelihood of getting a better take diminished with the number of players on the track and how tired we were.
"Since the Hancock Room is a classroom, it wasn't set up as a recording studio," Mack continues. "We did a number of things to try to isolate the instrument mics to keep sound from 'bleeding' into other mics and to prevent sounds from being reflected from chalkboards, etc. I remember stretching blankets across music stands to create makeshift sound booths."
Schuerman says he remembers the creative atmosphere that filled the Hancock Room.
"We were all excited to be making an album," Mack says. "But even though we were excited, the overall atmosphere was pretty loose. Most of the arrangements and even some of the original songs were written during the time we were recording. It was a lot of fun, but it was a lot harder than I expected. It's really difficult to play a song from beginning to end with no mistakes whatsoever. And the recorder picks up every single mistake, including things that aren't that noticeable when you're playing."
A few hundred albums were pressed and some were sold to Earlham students and friends. Although album sales never really took off, all five main members went on to work in music at some level.
"Dan is a classical guitarist, Bruce is a retired musician, Charlie has a weekly gig in Columbus, and has been a part of several bands and recordings, and Jeff D'Angelo, the only non-Earlham student, is a session jazz bassist," says Henn. Schuerman recently retired as Operations Director at Whitewater Community Television, where he especially enjoyed filming and editing music concerts including the Starr-Gennett Walk of Fame and Legacy concerts.
At some point during the 1990s, Hans Pokora, a noted record collector, learned about the album and made a slight mention of it in his 1001 Record Collector Dreams.
Fast forward to 2003 when Will Ryerson '05 found one of the albums at a Richmond yard sale.
"Will traded it to the one person in the world who could catapult it to where it is now," Henn says. Ryerson traded it to Patrick Lundborg, and the album appeared in Lundborg's Acid Archives, which Henn refers to as the bible of homegrown or self-produced music. "This solidified its reputation as a collectible."
"Through the years, I would play the album once in a while but never gave it much thought until I received an email in September 2003 from Patrick Lundborg in Stockholm, Sweden, asking about the album and how it was created," Schuerman says. "He was very impressed with the quality of the music and the quality of the recording."
Reviewer and co-author of the Acid Archives Aaron Milenski wrote, "This LP is characterized by excellent songwriting, creative arrangements, complex chord progressions and subtle but strong musicianship. For a home production made by college students, it sounds remarkably self-assured and rich. Even the lesser material shows a kind of thoughtful creativity that makes a jaded collector/critic like myself thankful that there are still ambitious collectors who keep digging and discovering records like this. I'm thrilled that such a deserving album is getting its due with this reissue."
"Schuerman really worked like a mad scientist to achieve the types of noise reduction found on the album," Henn says. "For the equipment, I have never heard anything sound as good as this. I would have never known it wasn't recorded using multi-track."
Soon Mack joined in the conversation with Schuerman and Lundborg, and photos that Schuerman had taken during the recording process were shared.
"Will and I were both music majors and looking at these pictures of the band in the same room where we spent most of our waking moments made it more personally relevant," says Henn, a touring musician in Philadelphia who dreamed of starting an archival music label since his ethnomusicology classes at Earlham.
During those 2003 conversations, Lundborg also suggested that a new pressing be released. At that time, Schuerman offered to make a CD from the original master tape and make it available at his website. He has sold 40 CDs and sent them to England, France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan and Canada, as well as the United States.
"Then in 2008 Jason Henn contacted Dan about doing a new LP pressing," Schuerman remembers. "During the negotiations Jason informed us of the eBay sale of Hoi' Polloi for more than $800, and I couldn't believe it."
Mack says $800 is more than the group spent on the entire album production. And by the time they got the original album copies back in 1972 it was nearly the end of the school year.
"We didn't sell as many as we had hoped, and we never dreamed that it would be a collector's item," Mack says. "I actually have several copies. I think I intended to give one of my copies to a girl at Earlham who I was trying to impress, but she didn't go out with me, so I never had the chance to give it to her. Now that it's worth $800, I'm expecting her call any day."
Henn says the reissue is especially important to him because he grew up in Richmond listening to Earlham's college bands and still has tapes from the Runyan basement.
"This record is just more proof that Earlham has long had an active music scene of some kind," Henn says. "And it seems appropriate that it's being rediscovered just as Earlham is affirming its commitment to the arts by building a new facility."


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Yesterday we reported that Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, due for release coming Friday, contained some form of malware and/or virus protection. Since the scope of this protective measure was not yet known - nor if it even existed at all - I thought it would be best to write another post detailing that yes, it's real, and yes, it's all relatively crude.
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If you purchase AppleCare you can (or could, i'm not sure) download McAfee's Virex for free from Apple. In a sense they always encouraged installing virus protection, and so can you if you feel it's necessary.
Windows doesn't (yet) come with built-in virus protection, and Windows customers are very well trained to purchase a protection suite with each PC.
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A 23-year-old woman is accused of setting fire to a rental home this past month in southern Davidson County, according to an arrest warrant.
A 23-year-old woman is accused of setting fire to a rental home this past month in southern Davidson County, according to an arrest warrant.
Jessica Faith Wilson of 1116 Bringle Ferry Road was placed in the Davidson County Detention Center on Wednesday under a $254,000 secured bond. She has been charged with felony first-degree arson and was given a court date of Aug. 26.
Deputies say Wilson intentionally set fire to her Bringle Ferry Road residence July 13. The single-story house, to which firefighters were dispatched at 4 a.m., was deemed a total loss by the Healing Springs Volunteer Fire Department.
Wilson was treated and released from Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center in Winston-Salem for burns to her feet, Capt. Mitch Kepley of the Davidson County Sheriff's Office said. Healing Springs VFD Capt. Chris Bean said the woman was injured when she went back into the house. A second woman who lived at the home was not injured in the incident.
Firefighters from five departments worked the fire and cleared the scene after five hours. Bean said firefighters believed the fire originated somewhere in the center of the house. He estimated the house being valued at $80,000, and said the homeowner did have insurance.
Kepley said deputies determined Wilson intentionally set the fire from information they received at the scene. "She acted independently," Kepley said, referring to Wilson's alleged involvement.
The Davidson County Sheriff's Office has not released a motive. However, Davidson County Sheriff David Grice said an altercation occurred between Wilson and the other woman who lived at the house. He said Wilson also was served with a cruelty to animals charge for throwing a dog back into the burning structure. A warrant indicated the dachshund died.
The charge comes after a joint investigation by the Davidson County Fire Marshal's Office and Davidson County Sheriff's Office.
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The cost of clothing has hardly budged in the past 20 years - and items can be even cheaper if you're prepared to barter.
We enlisted the help of savvy Auckland shopper Kym Nyhoff. Her mission: to outfit her family of four for less than $100.
What Nyhoff lacked in purse power, she more than compensated with her eye for fashion and the tremendous bargains, sales and discounts on offer in the shops.
Nyhoff visited Farmers, K-Mart, The Warehouse, Amazon Surf and Number One Shoes. If necessary, she thought, she'd get clothes and a pair of Jandals each.
"It was a miracle based on the sales," she said, of the end result. "It's all quite decent stuff, it's close to $180 worth of stuff."
Nyhoff's favourite purchase was her $25 pair of high-heeled wedges from The Warehouse. Even their full price of $39 would be a bargain.
"The shoes took a quarter of it. The reason for that is that, well I wanted a decent pair of shoes, but also my dress was only $12.
But she wouldn't be wearing them today had she not been bold enough to ask for a discount at another store.
Her wallet held just $35 and she still had to get footwear for herself and husband Andrew Nyhoff, a secondary school teacher. A nice pair of Jandals at Amazon Surf for Andrew was on sale from $28 down to $15, but even at that price, she'd have had to return hers.
"It was sweet-talking. I said [to Amazon], 'I've only got $10, what can you do'?" The shop knocked $5 off the sale price, and she got both pairs.
Daughter Saskia, 6, and son Luke, 3, ended up with good quality outfits.
Retailers' Association chief executive John Albertson said Nyhoff's experience reflected a hugely competitive marketplace in which retailers were shaving their profit margins. "Going back a few years ago a speciality retailer's profit would have been about 8 per cent; today it's probably about 3 per cent. There's a lot of risk for not a lot of return."
The Consumer Price Index shows the price of men's and women's clothing has hardly changed since the late 1980s.
Statistics New Zealand said prices were kept down by cuts in import tariffs for clothing and the 1992 removal of import quotas, allowing anybody to import clothing. In 1987 some clothing attracted a 65 per cent tariff; by 1991 the tariff had fallen to 40 per cent for all items, and by 1999 it was down to 19 per cent, and now clothing imported into New Zealand attracted a 10 per cent tariff.


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It's easy to dismiss noise as mere nuisance. But to Mike Goldsmith, a British writer who has studied the science of acoustics for years, the aural clutter of daily life is far from junk. Instead it provides an unusual vantage point on human history, Goldsmith argues in his new book, "Discord: The Story of Noise."
From the cries of street vendors to the blare of car horns, noise has distracted us, charmed us, and driven us nuts—and our response to this cacophony provides a window into centuries of changing technology, society, and daily life.
The trouble with studying noise is that unlike artifacts that can be excavated by archaeologists, noise is evanescent. Until fairly recently in human history, it faded away nearly as soon as it came into existence. But Goldsmith realized that even if the sounds themselves had vanished, human reaction had not, faithfully recorded in diaries, court proceedings, and art.
To reconstruct noise from antiquity onwards, Goldsmith plumbed texts from Greece and Rome, paintings depicting the hubbub of urban life in the 18th century, and attempts to curb sound by everyone from Julius Caesar trying to stop wagon traffic in residential areas to antinoise crusaders of the 20th century. He delved into the key figures in the modern science of acoustics, including Wallace Clement Sabine, a physicist at Harvard University, "the father of effective architectural acoustics," who used sound-absorbing materials to fix a lecture hall at the Fogg Art Museum once so echoey that it was practically unusable.
What emerges from the history of this unlovable buzz is just how subtly and inescapably noise is entwined with life, and how our efforts to fight it reflect the ways human culture has both evolved and stayed the same.
Goldsmith spoke with Ideas by phone from his home in Twickenham.
IDEAS: You call your book a history of noise. When did noise begin?
GOLDSMITH: It's been on the earth before there were people. Animals evolved responses to noise to escape from their predators and to find their prey. One of the reasons I think noise is so problematic for people today is the natural reaction to sudden sounds is fear, and that's one that evolved in our past.
IDEAS: What is noise?
GOLDSMITH: The definition I prefer is sound out of place, which underlies the fact that a particular sound, like the sound of a trumpet, is not itself noisy. If it's a piece of jazz, a trumpet is just what you need, and if you're trying to go to sleep and there is a trumpet outside the door, it is noise. Any sound can be noise—it depends on where and when it exists.
IDEAS: Plato thought sound was perceived in the liver. How else have people been so wrong about it?
GOLDSMITH: My favorite one is one that remained popular for centuries. This is supposed to be a discovery by the Greeks: You improve the acoustics [of a space] by scattering pots around it in various spots....These were special sounding vessels. I think the idea is if you do make a noise near a large vessel, it sometimes does ring, and if you blow over it, it will return a sound. The idea was that they would suck noises out of the air, or that they would send them back and resonate. Actually, as soon as measurements were made, it was found it makes no difference at all to a room.
You get a lot in these early areas of science where people turned up their nose at doing experiments, but they look it up in Plato and Aristotle. Nobody notices these pot things didn't work.
IDEAS: If you turned off the other senses and just listened to the last 2,000 years, how would human history sound?
GOLDSMITH: The first difference is the sounds of machines in the most general way, the very basic technology—copper being worked, or the first wheels riding along roads. That would be a big difference from horses and conversation and animal noises and bird songs and so on. The rise of the cities around 10,000 B.C. onwards—that would have been a quite noticeable change. Then, more recently, the repetitive, the industrialization noises of engines, where you get continuous drones, or you get repetitive banging sounds or hitting sounds, not being made by humans at all. Possibly a little more recent than that in all cities is the replacement of individual sounds with an overall level of sounds. The 16th and 17th centuries would have been relatively noisy in the sense of a lot of things going on, but you could always pick out individual sounds like people shouting, cats yowling, bells being rung. By the 18th century, there were so many different noises....You can't orient yourself so well in terms of sound. Now, the whole city would be making a noise. You can no longer escape from the noise....Omnipresence of sound, that's what marks the 20th century.
IDEAS: When you were writing this book, what were the noises you heard?
GOLDSMITH: I don't mind a bit of noise around me too much. Thanks to using a laptop, I wrote it all over the place. In fact, one of the stories in the book which I always quite liked was that [Thomas] Carlyle, a writer in the 19th century, he was very irritated by noise and lived in the city. So he decided he would build a soundproof study on top of his house. What he found was, although it did block out noise, the little noises within the house seemed particularly loud to him, so in some ways it was as bad as before.
IDEAS: Did a particular noise inspire you?
GOLDSMITH: One thing I was very interested by, in writing the book, is the [1785] Mozart string quartet, the "Dissonance" Quartet. It doesn't sound dissonant. The interesting thing in listening to that and reading about the history of noise or discordance in music is, when you have something like that, [which is] more discordant than music people would have been listening to at the time, in Mozart's time...one can't recapture that feeling that it's weird. It just sounds a little bit unusual. The Rite of Spring [by Stravinsky], famously, on its premiere in Paris, there was a riot... the music was so alien and monstrous. Today, it's not disturbingly dissonant.
IDEAS: Has our tolerance for noise changed?
GOLDSMITH: It's quite difficult to look back over how things have changed....However, in London there have been a number of surveys since the 1940s. While there have been various changes in the levels of noise, people have grown more sensitive to it....The noise level that might annoy people now might have seemed innocuous a few decades ago.
The first antinoise campaigns were started in about the 1860s, which was of course when the industrial revolution had really raised the noise level. But there weren't any complaints against the [sounds] of the industrial revolution. They were against street musicians who'd been around for centuries....Because noise is kind of a signifier of power, whoever is in control is allowed to make noise.Carolyn Y. Johnson can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.com. Follow her on Twitter @carolynyjohnson.


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Sabres winning back their fans
The Buffalo Sabres have begun the shortened National Hockey League season with a pair of victories and fans couldn't be happier to have the game on ice again.
The Sabres won in Toronto Monday night, 2-1, spoiling the Maple Leafs home opener. That came on the heels of Sunday's 5-2 victory over the Philadelphia Flyers at First Niagara Center, played before a full house of more than 19,000, some of whom didn't expect to be in attendance.
Scott and Amber Griggs left their North Tonawanda house Sunday morning with the intent of riding the NFTA Metro Rail to First Niagara Center and maybe buying a few things for their two sons at the Buffalo Sabres Store.
The Griggs' two sons, Sawyer, 1, and Carson, 4, are both big fans of rail cars. The Sunday morning ride was designed to be a treat, but also allow the family to catch some of the pre-game buzz before the Sabres started the lockout-shortened 2013 season.
But, the Griggs got a big surprise as they left the store. Sabres official Stan Makowski saw the family and gave them four free tickets to the game, which the home team ultimately won 5-2 over the Philadelphia Flyers.
"Totally unexpected," Scott Griggs said. "No way we ever could have imagined this happening, but it did."
The Griggs were among the 19,070 fans who welcomed the Sabres back - officially - after the four-month NHL/NHLPA lockout ended.
A quick and informal survey of fans in the First Niagara Center's concourse before the game found all were glad that the NHL and, more importantly, the Sabres are back. It was a long wait. Too long, all said.
"I feel like I'm home again," said Danielle Richter, who attended the game with three friends.
Richter and her friends all had Sabres' blue-and-gold stripes painted on their face and each wore a Sabres jersey. The quartet bought their tickets on Craig's List, paying $65 for seats in the 300 section that had a $53 face value.
They were not alone.
David Rothstein and his nephew, Michael Keeley, both of whom hail from the Rochester area, bought their tickets on eBay. To them, being at a Sabres home game is what it is all about.
"I always dreamed about going to Sabres games," Rothstein said, who attends roughly six games each season.
The loud, rowdy and welcoming crowd was noticed and appreciated by players inside the Sabres locker room.
"People around here live for the Sabres and Bills," said winger Thomas Vanek. "We know it. We appreciate it."
Team captain Jason Pominville said the Sabres were definitely feeding off of the fans' energy and enthusiasm that came from the stands at First Niagara Center.
Coach Lindy Ruff agrees.
"We really do have a city that's starved for hockey," Ruff said. "The fans always take us to the next level."


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HILTON HEAD ISLAND, S.C. – GC picked up their second win in three matches during their 2011 spring break road trip as they defeated Messiah College 6-3 on Wednesday. Junior Ian Wolf cruised to a #2 doubles win behind his dominating 6-0, 6-2, defeat of Messiah's Dave Wichert.
The squad picked up four victories in singles action with Joe Newlin, Wolf, Jesse Shaw, and Todd Ganton earning their respective decisions. The duos of Wolf and Newlin and Michael Read and Jonathan Allen served up wins in the doubles flights with an 8-0 and 9-7 effort respectively.
With the win Greenville moves to 5-1 on the season.
Spring break 2011 will draw to a close for the Panthers on Thursday, March 14 as they face off against both Westminster (PA) and Rensselaer in final day action.


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Harlan Johnson, 71, of Westby died Sunday, February 3, 2013 at
Norseland Nursing Home in Westby.
Harland was born in Viroqua to Alvin and Hazel (Skogland) Johnson on
March 15, 1941. He grew up in rural Chaseburg and graduated from Westby High School. After graduation he was drafted into the United States Army
where he served for 3 years in Germany. Following the service Harlan
worked as a surveyor in the construction of the interstate between Eau
Claire and Black River Falls until a car accident left him disabled.
He then lived with his folks working the family farm until it was sold
in 1977. For the past many years Harlan worked at VARC until he
became ill in December. Harlan was a member of Westby American Legion
#155 and Our Savior's Lutheran Church.
Harland was survived by his brother Mark (Laurie); sister Margaret
Mullikin; brother-in-law William Pike; uncle Reuben (Doris) Johnson;
nephews and niece Shelley Gabrielson, Deb Kane, Jeremiah (Marcy)
Johnson, Lee Johnson, Scott Mullikin, Craig Mullikin, Tara Mullikin;
and many great-nieces and great-nephews. He was preceded in death by
his parents; and his sister Karen Pike.
Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. on Wednesday, February 6,
2013, at Our Savior's Lutheran Church in Westby. Reverend John Dumke
will officiate with burial to follow in Coon Prairie Cemetery.
Friends may call from 4 to 6 on Tuesday at the Vosseteig Funeral Home,
708 S. Main, in Westby. Friends may also call at the church on
Wednesday from 10 a.m. until the time of the service at 11.
In lieu of flowers and plants, memorial contributions may be made to
Our Savior's Lutheran Church.
The Vosseteig Funeral Home of Westby is serving the family.


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Shall be entertain predictions on who will be cut from the performances we have seen so far? I have my own feeling about who it will be, though, I'm sometimes way off. I just have to figure out what their names are. lol
Okay. I think I have it. From Demi's group, I will predict that Jennell Garcia and Nick Youngerman will go. I really think that they want Paige Thomas to go, but she will stay because she resembles Rhianna. Boy she can give some evil eye looks. She seems to be very angry. The fact that she seems ready to have a breakdown or explosion, will make the producers happy, since they would want that to add drama.
From Simon's group, I predict that Emblem2 and SuperBoss will go.
Is is just me or did Marc Anthony seem bored to death? Maybe he was just hungry. lol


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The two extremes of the Milky Way galaxy are in view this evening -- the crowded downtown and the sparsely populated hinterlands. They're connected by a hazy bridge of light that gets thinner and fainter as it arcs away from the galactic center.
The galaxy's "downtown" is in the southwest at nightfall. It's to the upper right of the "spout" formed by teapot-shaped Sagittarius.
Under dark skies, away from city lights, you'll see some relatively bright regions of the Milky Way there, separated by darker regions. The bright areas are the combined light of millions of stars. The darker areas are clouds of dust, which block the light of the stars behind them. The galaxy's core is in one of these darker lanes, so we can't see it directly. But at least we can see where it is -- surrounded by rich clouds of stars.
By around 10 or 11, as the center of the galaxy stands just above the horizon, the point that's directly opposite the center is rising in the east. It's near El Nath -- the star that marks the tip of one of the horns of Taurus, the bull.
If you follow the arch of the Milky Way across the sky from Sagittarius to Taurus, you'll see that there's a big difference. That's because you're moving away from the center of the galaxy toward its rim, where there are far fewer stars. Over the coming months, that part of the galaxy will climb higher each night, showing us a part of the Milky Way that lacks the bright lights of downtown.
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After decades of nonstop demonization and scapegoating of migrants, the unveiling of Congress' comprehensive immigration reform proposals was profoundly disturbing. Congress continues to link criminality with the humane and courageous act of migration. Its proposals are anchored in prioritization of enforcement; that is, criminalization of migrants, punishment, detention, imprisonment, mass deportations, the continued militarization of the border and the borderization of the nation.
While the president's overall message was better, his passage about migrants "going to the back of the line" was equally troubling, especially when considering that the policies listed above are the president's current policies.
Specifically, the president said: "We've got to lay out a path, a process that includes passing a background check, paying taxes, paying a penalty, learning English, and then going to the back of the line behind all the folks who are trying to come here legally; that's only fair."
It is doubtful that most people expect much from Congress, at least in the realm of proposals that treat migrants as full human beings, but expectations for the president are much higher.
While that "back of the line" slogan was in there to soothe conservative doubters, what could faintly be heard were "back of the bus" echos.
Indeed, the most profound aspect of the immigration "debate" over the past few decades has been the normalization of dehumanization. This is what permits inane proposals to be passed off as reform. This is what permits the conflation of migration, criminality, drug-running and even terrorism. This is what permits the view that migrants are subhuman, or, at best, exploitable labor.
While the president's message to migrants is better, his approach is still mired in the concept of blame and punishment. Most Republicans/conservatives who speak up on this issue, apparently tone-deaf, are seemingly incapable of listening to themselves. Their aversion to "amnesty" is the embodiment of dehumanization. Their clinging to legal/illegal binaries does not conceal their true sentiments as they often refer to migrants as "illegals," clueless as to why this is demeaning and inaccurate (acts are illegal, not human beings). The unmistakable message they send out: you brown people are not welcome in this country.
But no one expects much different from that side of the political spectrum (and I'm not even talking about the extremists here). Top Republican leaders have already threatened to derail the process if the president goes too far. Apparently, once again, it is the people on the losing end of the presidential election and on the wrong side of history who are dictating the solution to the immigration crisis.
That's why the president's statement was disturbing: he is already sending signals that he will not go too far. He already has a very disappointing four-year record of "not going too far" in favor of migrants, except for the last-minute deferred status program that suspended the deportation of young people eligible for the as yet unpassed DREAM Act. The record number of deportations under his watch, the continued separation of families, the massive expansion of the immigration detention system (some 275 detention centers) and the continued militarization of the border have earned him the moniker "deporter in chief."
And he is the good guy in this debate.
And now, remanding human beings to the end of the line is an even bigger step backward and incongruous with treating migrants as full human beings. It sends out the wrong message. The codification of unequal and dehumanized categories of human beings is both impermissible and contrary to human rights law.
Yet, the primary issue here is not about specifics or details regarding the immigration proposals, but rather a mindset or narrative.
Without the change in attitude and mindset, policy will always lead to the codification of this inequality in the form of temporary and limbo categories of human beings. For many, these would actually become permanent categories, considering the size of the current lines for legalization and citizenship. This is why - when there are already more than 11 million so-called undocumented immigrants - this mindset still permits the creation or expansion of guest worker programs.
Guest workers? Read: braceros. That's where the problem started, in 1942 through 1964: the importation of human beings who were treated as less than human, undeserving of full human and labor rights.
This back-of-the-line mindset is setting us up for converting these 11 million migrants into less-than-humans, undeserving of full human and labor rights.
Yet, in the end, conservatives are right about one thing: if the source of the problem is not addressed, migrants will continue to stream into the United States. If the nation is serious, and if the emphasis is on Mexico and Central America, rather than spending billions building moats, the United States should embark upon a long-term program that equalizes the economies of the region, a program akin to a NAFTA-type agreement, but with human beings at the center, as opposed to absent from the equation.
But would the big corporations really want that? Can society as a whole accept the equality of all peoples and nations in this region, in this hemisphere? It's easier to build moats, isn't it?