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The Lee County Visitor & Convention Bureau rolled out its 2011-2012 fiscal year sales and marketing plan and cooperative advertising program for tourism industry partners at the organization's annual Team Tourism Summit this morning at the Hyatt Regency Coconut Point Resort & Spa in Bonita Springs.
It is the first time in 14 years that the organization has developed its annual plan in partnership with a new marketing agency.?
The VCB, along with its new agency MMG Worldwide, unveiled the latest plan, including its co-op program, in a half-day event themed The Power of You, the Future of Lee.?The single business goal, outlined by VCB Deputy Director Woody Peek in presenting the plan, is to increase Lee County bed tax collections by 2.5 percent.?
The VCB has established business objectives to support this goal including:
- Increase overall visitation in paid accommodations by 1.5 percent over FY 2010-2011
- Increase out-of-state domestic visitors in paid accommodations by 1.75 percent
- Increase in-state visitation in paid accommodations by 2.5 percent.
- Maintain international visitation in paid accommodations.
- Maintain length of stay.
- Increase average daily rates (ADR) by 1 percent.
Several strategies were laid out in the morning's meeting to establish how these goals would be accomplished. Strategies include new visitor acquisition, repeat visitor retention, product development and industry support/professional development.?
"It is more important now than ever for our industry to work together to achieve these goals," said Tamara Pigott, VCB executive director. "We are very excited to embark upon a new journey with MMG Worldwide this year and look forward to our destination achieving great success as well as continuing to be a leader in the tourism industry."??
Other highlights throughout the day supported the basic goals and objectives of the marketing plan. Attendees were enlightened by internationally celebrated and respected futurist Watts Wacker who delivered the event's keynote address, "Once Upon the 21st Century."?
Wacker challenged the audience to think, and reminded them of the importance of listening to those who ask questions more so than those who just speak. Wacker, founder and director of FirstMatter LLC, is a lecturer, best-selling author, political commentator and social critic. His uncommon versatility and vision have allowed him to help the world's top corporations and organizations navigate the sea of change that is taking hold in the new millennium. He has been the futurist at SRI International, the legendary Menlo Park think tank, spent 10 years as the resident futurist at the preeminent social research organization, Yankelovich Partners, and has been named to the list of the 50 most influential business thinkers in the world by Financial Times.?
Team Tourism is a year-round informational program consisting of workshops and networking opportunities for industry partners, community leaders, and the VCB team in order to 1) to strengthen teamwork throughout the destination, and 2) to empower travel industry leaders to maximize marketing opportunities available to them. The VCB hosts Team Tourism programs on a variety of topics.?
For more information on the VCB's Team Tourism or cooperative advertising programs, visit www.LeeVCB.com.
SOURCE: Lee County Visitor & Convention Bureau


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MARENGO – Several chickens and ducks died during a barn fire in Marengo on Sunday morning, according to the Marengo Fire Protection District.
Crews were called to the 18400 block of Route 176 at around 10:20 a.m. for a report of a barn fire, authorities said. Firefighters arrived to find the barn fully engulfed in flames.
The fire was under control after more than three-and-a-half hours.
One chicken was saved by a firefighter, fire officials said.
There were no other injuries reported.
Damaged to the barn was estimated at more than $200,000.
The fire appears to be electrical in nature, and the investigation is ongoing.
Crews from several area departments assisted with the blaze.
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The Mission of the Larkin DNA Project is to:
1. Provide a focus for persons with the Larkin surname and its variants from around the world to use DNA testing to identify their origins and migratory patterns.
2. Provide assistance to Larkin members with understanding and interpreting their shared DNA test results.
3. Help project members get a discount on DNA testing.
Note that in order to gain new insights, participants should be willing to share their results in a de-identified manner on the project web sites. It is a two-way street, we gain a wider perspective and genealogy insights on our individual heritage but also help other Larkins researching their heritage through reciprocity and friendliness.
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Background on the Larkin Surname
Irish Larkins
Within Ireland alone, genealogy authors attribute the name to at least four septs or family groups. The use of surnames is over 1000 years old in Ireland and Larkin derives from just such ancient usage. e.g. Annals of the Four Masters: 1003 Duffslaine O'Lorcain, Abbot of Emly; 1014 Murtough O'Lorcain, Erenagh of Lorrha. As we move forward in history, we find Larkin families throughout Ireland with clusters in the Shannon River Valley (anciently known as Hy Many), Kilkenny, and Armagh counties. e.g. Hearth Money Records: 1667 Loghlin Lorkane of Lorrha; Tithe Applotment Books: 1824 T. Larkin of Lorrha. A lack of written records makes it hard to determine how much migration took place within Ireland, but we know there was movement, not all of it voluntary. e.g. 1653 Dorothy Lorcáin of Co. Tipperary, transplanted to the Barony of Longford Co. Galway, 1653 [Patrick Larkin]
Update March 2007: A couple of strong clusters of DNA results of Irish Larkins are emerging in the results. Both of these clusters are thought to have the 'deep' Irish marker of SNP 222. One of the clusters is very close to the pattern associated with the Niall signature.
English Larkins
Surnames have been in use for commoners for about 800 years in England. The first written use of Larkin as a surname comes from Sussex and Kent counties in the late 1200s. e.g. Sussex Subsidy Rolls: 1296 Adam Lartkyn and Thomas Lorekyn [David Larkin]. Larkin families were also located in Suffolk, Cambridge and Bedford counties. The industrial revolution not only caused significant migration of Larkins within England, it also led many Irish Larkins to come to England for jobs. Some of those families never left, although their descendants today may have no idea of their family's origin.
Colonial Larkins
British colonization of the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa spread many of our forefathers around the globe during the past 400 years. Some groups of Larkin are fortunate enough to know where and when their ancestor left the old country. Some groups are not so fortunate or have only a vague notion that is not easily researched. A typical example found on a genealogical message board:
"My great grandfather, Steven Larkin and his brother came to America in early 1800's.They settled in Humphreys Co, TN. Michael left and went to Chattanooga, TN where he was a railroad worker. This is all I have on Michael. Would like to find out where in Ireland they came from."
In other cases, the emigration was so long ago that most descendants have lost the story of their ancestor. e.g. Edward Larkin, wheel maker of Charlestown, Massachusetts in 1638; Thomas Larkin died 1731 in Maryland. Often people today can only guess at their ancestry.
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With modern DNA testing, we can get scientific evidence of how the Larkin Clans are related to each other and all human-kind. Some of the findings will be consistent with existing genealogies, some will not.
Geneticist and author Bryan Sykes (best known for his book, "The Seven Daughters of Eve") did a DNA study on his own surname. Written genealogy sources indicated that the Sykes name started in unrelated groups across England and Scotland. But on testing the DNA, Bryan found 52% had very similar DNA and thus shared a close common ancestor.
Through the Larkin DNA Project every male Larkin today can use the Y-DNA 37-marker test to identify his own genetic signature. By combining the DNA results of a large sampling with our existing knowledge, we should be able to get a much clearer picture of the origins of the Larkin Clans and how their members dispersed through the world.
The 37 marker test is the most effective way to start your DNA profile and you get a significant discount by participating in the Larkin DNA Project. This test also focuses on the main Y-chromosome markers helpful in identifying common ancestors on the order of hundreds of years (i.e. the period when surnames were in use but census and other documentation are scarce.)
You don't have to wait for the TV program Who Do You Think You Are to come to your door, take the initiative and join the Larkin DNA Project today!
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|2011-03-29, 23:04
|Link #41
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude)
Age: 39
Shamefully enough, it was this game that kinda pushed me to get a new laptop. Else, I wouldn't be able to play it.
Oddly enough, after one play through, I ended up leaning more towards Starcraft.
So, since January, has there been any fixes to this game?
|2011-03-30, 04:00
|Link #42
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Abstract Side of Reality
Age: 29
This is from Civilization IV! I'm a pretty big fan of the series, and I'm somewhat proud of my score. What scores do the rest of you usually get? Picture is in the spoiler, be aware it is not 56k friendly.
|2011-03-30, 04:18
|Link #43
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude)
Age: 39
I play Huge Map on Marathon. Both Civ IV and Civ V.
I'd go score crazy, but once my country gets to a certain size. I usually stop expanding, 'cause I get bored once I reach a certain level of power.
|2011-03-30, 20:28
|Link #44
If you like Civ IV a lot, you should try the BUG Mod:
The mod doesn't change any of the gameplay, but it does improve the interface.
|2011-03-30, 20:44
|Link #45
Che! Che! Che!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Brazil
Age: 28
Been playing this game ever since it came out as well, but on small doses since that's how I find myself enjoying Civ the most. It was my first experience with the series, so I'm still pretty bad, although I can now tackle the normal difficulty mode by now! Favourite thing about it are definitely the Giant Death Robots, and the whole scope of how you start up with some guys using a wooden stick with a stone on it and then finish by destroying cities with nukes and gigantic robots. Fantastic, haha.
Now, I just hope Firaxis will provide us with another of those DLC packs soon. And let it be Portugal, please! Sailing the seas with D João II's armada is bound to be awesome, and if they're able to make a new music for the Portuguese as good as Civ IV's then I'm set.
|2011-03-31, 01:23
|Link #47
In IV, you had stuff like slavery, corporations, power, and rushbuy, you can't do that in V.
|2011-03-31, 01:39
|Link #48
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude)
Age: 39
Seriously. I was like... "what? 40 turns for a pikeman?!" Gimme a break!
Also, it seems Civ V discourages expansion (as in making more cities). This is in particular consideration to the National Wonders, where ALL cities must have particular buildings (like universities for Oxford). And no, I don't like vassal cities.
In Civ IV, all you need to do is build like... 8 to meet criteria.
Finally, I'm a wonder hog. I like wonders. Without wonders, I deem my civilization as crap. It's an ego thing. XD
|2011-03-31, 02:00
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You get wrecked in V when trying to expand too fast because of happiness. The AI, on the other hand cheats like hell, giving itself massive happiness bonuses. You can still build pretty densely though, if you have a lot of food to split cities up-- potentially more commerce.
And honestly, global happiness is retarded. How does a theater in one city make people in another happy?
They really should bring health back too. You can build forges and power plants to boost your production but suffer in health.
Basically to expand rapidly in V, you need to secure as many luxury resources as possible, going as far as to aggressively buy out tiles.
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|2011-03-31, 20:59
|Link #50
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Graphic Designer
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Xanadu
Age: 23
|2011-04-01, 18:58
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It surely makes sense if I build the city in the middle of nowhere in the ancient ages.
Oh hay guys everyone is happy because there's sugar 24321523 miles away.
And interestingly, you can make cities solely to generate happiness and collect nearby happiness resources. (You actually don't even need a road connecting it, I've had isolated cities in the middle of hostile territory giving happiness through sugar or something.) If you don't build any structures besides thoose you won't be owned by maintenance regardless of how far away it is. Remember that you don't *NEED* most of the buildings. You just need to guard it. 1-2 archers plus the city defense is usually enough.
This is different from IV, where each city had to actually have access to said resource.
So in this case, I may consider building a bunch of trash cities that just have enough food to reach 3-4 pop and buy some happiness structures. If it has some mines, that's even better. Imagine setting up a bunch of islands for this. You need the happiness anyways, and with road connection can help bring in some trade gold.
Also roads annoy the crap out of me. You can no longer automate any workers at any time, otherwise they will ruin you with road maintenance. You should pay 1 gold per 3-4 tiles of road imo.
But there's a more certain way to guarantee happiness. Once it becomes unhappy, simply starve your country to death. Then they will become happy. Remember, in Civilization, if they don't like your rule, just kill them until they say they change their mind.
Edit: Puppet conquered cities. If you annex, the unhappiness will wreck you like crazy.
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|2011-04-01, 21:19
|Link #53
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 42° 10' N (Latitude) 87° 33' W (Longitude)
Age: 39
In Civ III, it was even more amazing when destroyed cities were converted into workers - AND - those workers retain their "nationality". Thus, enslavement.
Gotta keep the racial composition of my Civ nation... as close to 100% as possible.
Finally. I'm a "Wonder Hog". I like my wonders. I will build them. Collect as many as possible, just to screw everyone else over. Sadly, Civ V discourages this kind of play... ... ... so sad.
|2011-04-01, 23:43
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But yea, automating workers shouldn't be done early game, but late game, it becomes a real hassle to manage all of them.
Now, IV had these things too, but they didn't cost maintenance and there were a lot of them. Forges, factories, power for a 100% boost.
Another thing was that certain resources in IV would double wonder construction speed. In V, the bonus is a lot smaller... I think it's like 100% vs 25%. Also some leaders in IV had 100% bonus to wonders too. If you could take advantage of these things, wonders are very profitable. Even if you fail, you get lots of money. If you fail a wonder in Civ V, you just get a rather small amount...
The Incas in IV were a builder's paradise.
In V, you have terrible joke wonders like the one that give you a great general. I mean really? Pyramids give worker production boosts? Why not just build more workers instead.
Too many things in the game give specific defense boosts; the Great general Citadel is pretty lol wut The problem is in Civilization, you should avoid warring on your own land. And that includes proper diplomacy so everyone doesn't start trying to kill you.
But at least Great Library and Stonehenge are pretty sweet still...
|2011-04-02, 11:57
|Link #55
Anime Snark
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 35
Wonders are actually one of the easiest ways to win the game, especially if you go the Capital City only route, with puppet cities for anywhere else (I usually raze unless the location is particularly good).
Cities have a limited range, and building cities too close to each other can result in overlapping tiles, which results in long-term inefficiency.
There is almost no reason to actually settle a new city unless you need the production for units due to strategic location. If you only want the tile resources, it is by far better to use a puppet city instead. Puppet cities do not invoke the accumulative +15% tax on Culture growth, do not contribute to population unhappiness, and do not saddle you with building maintenance.
They also do not count towards the requirements for National Wonders.
With proper focus on Culture, and by taking advantage of the many policies that benefit Capital Cities only, you can mass-whore wonders till you bleed culture out of your very pores. It is the fastest way to win a game. Done properly on Epic speed, you'll gain a policy every 9-10 turns.
So while the rest of the world are warmongering and threatening to spoil your day, your weed-smoking hippies can frolic in their culture and ascend to an easy victory.
|2011-04-02, 16:53
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Unless they decide that they want all your pretty wonders for themselves. Also, the point of having multiple cities is to have multiple happiness structures, and other boosters.
Overlap isn't really too big of an issue, because it won't be til late game that cities can even grow that large to work all the tiles, and you also want specialists for great people. Chances are when you've reached this point, you've already won. Also trade route benefits are huge, even for close cities.
There also seems to be a limit to how far the tiles can be for a city.
For a culture win, well since I learn that culture policies increase per city, that's the best way have one city.
But yea, that's still a good idea; I just feel that's really specialized when wonders in previous games would be enough of a general benifit to help you win any victory.
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|2011-04-03, 04:34
|Link #57
Anime Snark
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 35
Trade routes are good, but if you really want to have clustered cities, it will be best to have them as puppets, otherwise the maintenance and additional taxes will greatly nullify whatever benefits you would otherwise have.
You have a point about Specialists, but bear in mind the accumulative taxes. You'll need to balance the production of Great People versus the burden of additional taxes.
Cities have a 3-tile radii range of tile influence. This means done properly, cities will be about 6-7 tiles apart. There is no need to cover every single tile, and it won't be the end of the world if you miss out on that one deer tile. One of the things I find fun in this game is examining the map and trying to maximise my cities' tile coverage.
Having a city have uncontested control of all the tiles around it means a healthy amount of food (assuming you didn't just settled randomly and actually picked a good spot), which leads to accelerated population growth, which means more tiles covered and more productivity.
Remember, cities do not share their workload. A mega city will build stuff faster, and you avoid the pitfalls of accumulative taxes.
That said, winning through Culture is too easy, especially if you pick nations like India or Egypt. I generally go more for Military victory. Much more fun to hear their lamentations. :P
|2011-04-03, 04:53
|Link #59
Anime Snark
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 35
My nation was surrounded by mountains, and there were only 2 land paths leading in, 2 hex wide each. I got the Great Generals and built his Fortress at the paths so that the enemy would flagellate themselves every time they tried to come in.
I had no iron and no coal, so when the enemy started building tanks, it was a nightmare fending them off with just Cavalry and Pikemen. Things got better when I discovered oil first and used all of it to build Bombers. Bombed the crap out of all the surrounding camping enemies while my Cultural Cultists mass worshipped the pile of Wonders in my Capital city.
When my nation finally ascended, most of my lands were razed by guided missiles, and enemy heli-gunships were massed all around my Capital. One of my more memorable games, because I really ass-pulled a victory out of nothing.
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Friday, April 26, 2013 1:03 am
Goldschmidt's homer lifts DBacks over Rockies
The Associated Press
Goldschmidt's fifth homer of the year followed a single by Martin Prado and snapped a 1-1 tie. Goldschmidt's towering drive down the left field hit near the top of the foul pole, and increased his team-leading RBI total to 18.
Trevor Cahill (1-3) earned his first win of the season, giving up an unearned run in five innings.
Jorge Del La Rosa (2-2) allowed three runs in six innings for Colorado..
The Diamondbacks scored first in the second inning. Goldschmidt reached base on an error and moved to second when Cody Ross singled. Goldschmidt then scored on a single to left by reserve catcher Wil Nieves. That put runners on first and second with no outs, but Josh Wilson grounded into a double play and Cliff Pennington flied to left.
The Rockies responded in the fourth.
With runners on second and third and two outs, Yorvit Torrealba hit a soft grounder to third which Martin Prado could not handle. The error enabled Michael Cuddyer to score, but the tie did not last long.
That's when Goldschmidt's home run put Arizona into the lead in the bottom half of the inning.
In the seventh, the Rockies pulled within one run. Troy Tulowitzki's two-out double to the base of the fence in right center scored Eric Young, Jr., who had opened the inning with a double.
Josh Collmenter allowed one run in three innings of relief of Cahill. J.J. Putz pitched the ninth for his fourth save.
NOTES: Prior to the game, the Rockies placed veteran first baseman Todd Hilton on the 15 DL with left forearm inflammation, retroactive to April 20. To replace the 39-year-old on the roster, the Rockies recalled infielder Ryan Wheeler from Triple-A Colorado Springs. Helton is eligible to come off the DL May 5. . Cahill's win was his first since last Sept. 19, a 6-2 victory over San Diego. . The fourth inning error by Prado was his first of the season, and only the sixth for the Diamondbacks in 22 games. Coming into the game, Arizona led the majors in fielding with a .994 percentage. . With two hits, Gerardo Parra equaled a career-high 10 game hitting streak.


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One of the mistakes that people that need drug and alcohol rehab sometimes make is that they don't realize that no insurance drug rehab services do in fact exist. There are many ways to get free drug rehab or affordable drug rehab but people do not know how to go about looking for it. I started this site specifically to talk about how to find drug rehab with no insurance and that is the topic of this article.
So, as I have talked about on Free Drug Rehab Centers before there are several options. The first is to attend a state funded drug rehab or government funded drug treatment center. Many states in the United States, such as Washington, allow the citizens of their state to go to the state rehabilitation center free of charge. Now, many other states offer more limited addiction rehabilitation benefits. For instance, some states give preference to certain populations such as single mothers on drugs, pregnant alcoholics and addicts, military veterans with drug and alcohol problems and members of certain groups such as those who are HIV positive. The reason for this is that many states are facing budget crunches and they do not have the resources to allow everyone to attend drug rehab for free. The best way to find out what drug rehab benefits your state offers is to look on your state's .gov website under health and drug rehabilitation services.
Another option is to look into a charitable drug rehab facility. For instance, the Salvation Army helps homeless people with drug problems, unemployed addicts, and other alcoholics and addicts who need help but can't afford rehab. Many people have criticized the Salvation Army for forcing alcoholics and addicts to abide by their program (which is Christian-based). However, seeing as they are offering drug rehab for free, it can be tough to complain. Many people have used their no-cost drug treatment approach to get clean and sober and turn their lives around.
The other option for no insurance drug rehab is to contact the drug treatment facilities in your area and talk to intake about scholarships or hardship opportunities. As I have written about here before, many for-profit drug rehab centers essentially become free drug rehab centers in particular cases. These rehabs will let addicts and alcoholics attend free of charge in order to get the tax write off and to help an addict in need. The reason that this works is mainly due to the charity of the owners and operators of the drug rehab center who were once living in active addiction themselves. Many of them want to pay back the community and they will allow people to come to their drug rehab for free regardless of whether or not they have insurance.
As you can see, there are options for finding drug addiction treatment without insurance. You are not necessary going to be hit over the head with an opportunity to get to go to a luxury drug rehab free, but that doesn't mean that you can not find a good option to get the drug treatment that you need. The important thing is that you assume a proactive attitude and be willing to scout out the deals and show some initiative. And, remember that no matter how bad life in active addiction can be, with drug treatment people can and do turn their lives around.


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True. Nuff said.
Does a tight Noscript setup block the attempts of malicious plugins to communicate with malicious sites?
Definitely not. Noscript only prevents scripts running on web pages.
NoScript does nothing whatsoever to restrict extensions or plugins. Nor would it even possible for it to do so without a major redesign of Firefox's extension system including the introduction of a security model with trust levels.
NoScript does nothing whatsoever to restrict extensions or plugins.
*gasp* HERETIC!!! This is SLASHDOT, unbeliever! The almighty NoScript and its blessed son FlashBlock are the infallible answers to every single problem you have ever had or will ever have. REPENT! REPEEEEEEENT!!!
I think you may have intended to reply to someone else. I was simply answering a question on NoScript's capabilities.
Also I'm quite familiar with running multiple profiles; my job would actually be impossible without it. In Chrome you simply pass the --user-data-dir switch. I don't see how that's any worse than running Firefox with the -P and -no-remote switches (or the old way requiring env vars). I am curious how you run IE under a separate profile without using a different Windows accounts. I didn't thin
You did mention "introduction of a security model with trust levels".
And I don't think it's going to be easy to do right while allowing many types of extensions - after all if there can be extensions that help manage passwords, it'll be possible to have extensions that can abuse them.
So IMO it is better to just run different browser instances as different user accounts as I suggested.
Running browser instances as the same user but different data directories does not protect you as much. Because if the browse
You're conflating a few different things. There's origin security and there's local client security. Origin security is what protects you from one site accessing browser data from another site. Any discussion of extension permissions would apply primarily to origin security, because once you install anything with local client access you've already lost control. And when considering origin security, separate profiles within the same OS-level user account provide one method of strict enforcement.
Now, if your
Conflating or not, I prefer a more role/task based concept.
That way I can use one browser for lower security level stuff (whether visiting sites, or having more fancy plugins), and not have it affect my other browser which I use for higher security level stuff.
And I can do this without having to buy multiple computers.
If the browsers support sandboxing that's great. But whether they do or not does not affect my approach. I'd still be using multiple browsers, because it is just better "hygiene", and a more s
Funny you should mention NoScript, since that's a plugin that's already been involved in its own scandal [hackademix.net]. Not as bad as stealing login information but still a breach of the users' trust.
Some check boxes showing which permissions the plugin wants, and which permissions you will give it, would be nice, easy, and effective at preventing something titled as a "bookmark enhancer" from stealing your passwords
Chrome already lists the permissions an extension requests at installation. The UI on that interaction is junk, so you need to be a fairly knowledgeable user to make heads or tails of it, but the information is definitely there.
Maybe what the browsers need is some sort of vetted App Store for extensions, where all submissions are reviewed by a central authority and approved or rejected?
Does it surprise anyone
Yes, anyone who is not a geek.
Look, to us tech people, these things are obvious. But everyone else out there doesn't have a clue. You have to design the car so that the user doesn't get the idea of looking into the fuel tank with a lighter, or if he does get that idea, that he can't do it. No matter how silly it sounds. This is why our society works, because we can safely use tools without having to be experts in them.
if some people are gullible enough to download that virus program, they're sucker enough to download malicious plugins too
And that's not the browser's fault in any way. You can't stop idiotic users from downloading malicious shit unless you stop them from downloading ANY program or plugin. They'll ignore every warning they see because they don't feel like reading.
sad thing is, most non-geeks will not read this unless it happens to land on some front page in scare-types.
and even then they will likely not see the simple solution (be smarter when you browse) and instead hit the government "protect me!" button over and over like a caffeinated squirrel.
You have to design the car so that the user doesn't get the idea of looking into the fuel tank with a lighter
Or, you could educate the user that fire and gasoline don't mix. They don't need to know the chemical reaction side of it, but simply informing them that these two things don't mix shouldn't be too difficult. (I know you were being extreme to prove a point, so was I).
I find it ridiculous to continually dumb down products. To me, this seems like it will cause a slippery slope to stupidity. What happens if we dumb down the products to the point where people don't know how to create them anymore, or th
I find it ridiculous to continually dumb down products. To me, this seems like it will cause a slippery slope to stupidity. What happens if we dumb down the products to the point where people don't know how to create them anymore, or the knowledge is only in the hands of the far and few? I resist the notion that learning should be back-seated for short-term profits. In the long run, people will become too stupid to buy those products and we're stuck with even dumber products.
Funny thing: how many people do you know in regular society that can put together a lightbulb? How about a microwave? What about the latest iPhone?
Or, you could educate the user that fire and gasoline don't mix.
Yes, and to only walk on green, and to install antivirus, and to have safe sex, insurance, not go into certain parts of town, keep the car in working condition, verify their patch level is current, check all money for forgery is easy as well, and two million other things.
There is only so much that a human brain can actually act on. Storage is not the problem, recall is. Sometimes, the right decision is to educate people, but it is not a panacea. If it is easier to simply design in a safety than to educate e
It's not about memorizing facts, or about recalling something, it's about knowing what you know and what you don't know. I don't know how to use a chainsaw properly, but I know enough to know that I don't know, and that I would need to learn how or I'm going to get hurt.
If it is easier to simply design in a safety than to educate everyone and keep them educated, then building in the safety is the proper thing to do.
That's true, if the safety has no downsides whatsoever. Otherwise, it bears more discussion.
For example, the iPhone and the Great Firewall of China [wikipedia.org], both of which claim to be making things more secure and stable for you by removing your choi
For example, the iPhone and the Great Firewall of China, both of which claim to be making things more secure and stable for you by removing your choice. Even if the iPhone is more secure for the kind of user who would download BonziBuddy, I don't think it's worth it, and this is exactly what is meant by dumbing down.
Here's the funny thing: You're dead wrong. I'm an iPhone developer. There is no "dumbing down" here at all. Anything I want it to do, I can make it do. However what has happened, in comparison to 1980s computers, is that the user has most of the complicated stuff hidden away from him. That is not a conspiracy, it is the normal process by which things mature. Look at cars: Early on, you'd better know quite a bit about it, just to drive one. These days, you put your car into the ignition, and you care nothing
I'm an iPhone developer. There is no "dumbing down" here at all.
For the user?
Anything I want it to do, I can make it do.
the user has most of the complicated stuff hidden away from him.
In the case of the iPhone, it's not that the complicated stuff is hidden. It's that it's actually forbidden -- see above. Can you make it do anything Apple doesn't explicitly allow?
That is not a conspiracy,
I never suggested it was.
Nor do I think Apple and China are in a conspiracy to censor technology -- they just seem to agree (quite publicly and openly) that computer users need to be protected from themselves, beyond the point of making it simpler and more usable, and to the point of removing choices.
Look at cars: Early on, you'd better know quite a bit about it, just to drive one. These days, you put your car into the ignition, and you care nothing about what goes on under the hood.
I do,
Nor do I think Apple and China are in a conspiracy to censor technology -- they just seem to agree (quite publicly and openly) that computer users need to be protected from themselves, beyond the point of making it simpler and more usable, and to the point of removing choices.
Removing choices is what design is all about. In the words of Antoine de Saint Exupery: "You know you've achieved perfection in design. Not when you have nothing more to add. But when you have nothing more to take away."
A light switch works so well precisely because it gives you two options: "Lights on" or "Lights off", instead of presenting you with a spectrum of things you can do with electron flow through a wire.
Anything I want it to do, I can make it do.
*laugh* no. Why should I? Sure, some Apps would not be accepted in the App Store, but I can s
A light switch works so well precisely because it gives you two options: "Lights on" or "Lights off", instead of presenting you with a spectrum of things you can do with electron flow through a wire.
Mostly because, in that situation, it would be useless.
By contrast, despite being automatic, my car's transmission also has a first and second gear and an overdrive toggle, not to mention neutral and reverse. That's just the transmission -- my car also has four separate braking mechanisms, each with their own unique interface. It may be possible to simplify this, but people are willing to put up with this situation from a car.
Take a moment to look into a car sometime. Count how many separate controls there
Take a moment to look into a car sometime. Count how many separate controls there are, and remind yourself that this thing's purpose is ultimately to move you from point A to point B.
I know. Cars are some of the things that you quickly come across when you teach yourself about design. And I mean car controls, not bodies.
The point is, of course, that the purpose is not to get your from A to B. If that were the ultimate purpose, the interface could be a lot simpler - and is. The interface for a taxi is "open door, sit down, close door, talk to driver, wait, pay driver, open door, get out, close door".
All the additional complications of a car are because you want to drive from A to B y
All the additional complications of a car are because you want to drive from A to B yourself. Plus quite a lot of the controls have nothing to do with driving, they're for the stereo or the AC or they serve secondary purposes such as the gas gauge or the maintainance lamp.
And this maps well to computers.
The additional complication of having to change the oil occasionally (or have someone else do it), knowing what the RPM gauge means (or at least that redlining is bad), needing a key to get into your car, etc, all have reasonable analogies in the computer world, and there doesn't seem to be much in a computer that doesn't have a similar analogy in the car interface.
The additional stuff, like the stereo, air conditioning, windows, etc, maps to additional stuff users might have
Does it surprise anyone
Yes, anyone who is not a geek.
Look, to us tech people, these things are obvious.
Please, most people (>90%) posting on Slashdot are perfectly ignorant of how security works. Don't toot your/our horn too much.
I might argue that you have cited the reason our society is most likely to fail. We protect morons from themselves, so that they can survive to breed. Society is selectively breeding more and more morons with each generation.
If the idiot wants to peer down his fuel tube with a match, LET HIM DO IT!! Don't stand in his way. Hell, let's facilitate the operation - move the gas tank into the trunk, and put a trap door on top of the tank, and put a box of matches right beside the trap door.
The gene pool real
We protect morons from themselves, so that they can survive to breed.
That is true, and it irks me to no end. However, the real problem is not selection - most of the moronic things are not deadly. The real problem is that we encourage stupidity.
Just look at the idols of the day. Most of them are either dumb as shit, or at least pretend to be (I'm looking at you, Paris). Dumb is "cool". The whole football/soccer world cup has been a great example - otherwise smart people use it as an opportunity to become total idiot assholes for an evening, or several.
Selection does not only
We, developers take it as a given that programs (and thus extensions) should be able to do anything. Arbitrary code if you will.
If you actually think about it, it's a little nuts. You download an application, and it could reformat your harddrive.
Truth be told, even we programmers simply rely on 'trust' that the various programs and extensions aren't doing anything evil.
I don't go through every line of source code. I trust the developers. I trust a popular program. But it really is just that... trust.
Now the OS does prevent somethings to enhance trust. There are file permissions for example.
Other web technologies have other security. Silverlight for example can open local files... but the user has to manually select it via the windows file dialog. You can't program in a file location.
They were smart enough to not just take the Active X approach were 'just because you visit this website and run the application, it can do anything'. They build limitations into the environment.
So what safeguards does a browser provide?
Well, password information is crucial. Quite frankly, any application that even attempts to access a password field should be blocked... unless the user explicitly understand this. And I don't mean some generic warning message that applies to every extensions.
And so the point is... extension are no different than downloading and installing a regular program... but they bloody well should be!
I am a little confused here. This article very specifically singles out Google Chrome. But, it turns out the same thing could be done with any browser?
He's just doing basic stuff here with that extension. When you try to install any extension Chrome throws up a warning that the extension can access your personal data on whatever sites the extension author has requested access to in the manifest.json file. Ignore that warning at your own peril, especially if it doesn't match with what the extension description says it should do.
Lots of extensions inject content scripts. Lots of extensions do random AJAX calls to random sites that the user doesn't have open in a tab. That he put the two together to steal data is hardly revolutionary.
The only problem I see is that if the author specifies enough websites in their extension permissions, Chrome truncates them to "multiple sites" which is a bit ambiguous.
Guy learns to program, abuses trust of software users. Film at 11?
Evidence exists that browser plugins and extensions are providing a lot of leaks and possibilities for intrusions.
So avoid installation of unnecessary problems by not installing anything else than really necessary extensions for your browser activities. What browser manufacturers needs to consider is how to improve security related to extensions and plugins. One way is to make sure that the plugins and extensions run in isolated subprocesses with lowest necessary privileges.
"Evidence exists that browser plugins and extensions are providing a lot of leaks and possibilities for intrusions."
... a proof-of-concept Google Chrome browser extension that steal users' login details.
That's nothing. Wait till you see my research on what's possible when you get the user to install a malicious kernel module
I get your point (that a kernel module, being low-level, gives you greater access), but I think a malicious browser extension is worse.
* It's a lot less likely that a user will install a malicious kernel module, as compared to a browser plugin.
* It's a lot easier for someone with bad intentions, a few hours, and a little coding experience to write a browser plugin, than it is for them to write a kernel module.
* It's much easier to distribute a plugin, and the install base is much greater.
* The signal/noise
and this is why i dont worry much about rootkits for home computers, as even access to just the users account will likely expose a whole lot of valuable data to whoever wants it. so if one want more security the valuable data should be accessed by way of an account that only do so, and have no real contact with the everyday user activity.
heck, was there not talk about a livecd specifically for banking?
You're reading too much into my subtle sarcasm: I was merely suggesting that this is a highly unsurprising result. All that has been discovered here is a special case of the rule that your security is at risk if you download and execute malicious code.
... a proof-of-concept Google Chrome browser extension that steal users' login details.
That's nothing. Wait till you see my research on what's possible when you get the user to install a malicious kernel module
I can't wait to see how long the instructions for installing your kernel module will be. Remember you have to
OK, let me explain. The kernel module was what's known as a 'rhetorical device' intended to illustrate a point. The point was that writing a program do commit a dastardly deed, then executing it in a context where it has permission to commit that dastardly deed, is (a) not news, and (b) not even a security violation.
Is this different than someone deciding to run a bash script that wipes their hard drive, as root?
So you can install an extension that's bad. Like you can open an e-mail attachment that's bad. Like you can open a programmable document that has a bad macro.
Seriously, where's the security concern? Don't install crap extensions and you won't have your passwords stolen through crap extensions. Easy enough?
I think you might also risk catching something if you're *thrusting* the author.
The Chrome extensions system has the concept of permissions, where an extension must list the special permissions it needs in its manifest.json file. If the extension requires special permissions, the user is warned. If the extension tries to do something requiring permissions without asking for them, it fails. One comment in TFA says that the proof of concept extension given does require permissions. If that's true, then this is a nonstory, since it would be just as hard to get in by convincing the user to
Yes, i think its an nonstory.
Me (to secretary): I can access the webpage without getting a warning about the certificate
Secretary: I cant access it without problems
I (sitting besides her) see that she takes 0.1 sec to click the warning away: Ahem, you just got the warning!
Secretary: yes, its always there.
(And this was an company-internal application where the fix was to download the certificate exactly from the same untrusted website - that educates the users well)
Maybe the permission for "reads pas
If you h
Not only have I read the paper, I've worked with a few of the authors on this subject matter. And that's why I know that it's essentially impossible to provide a useful extension API that is not also vulnerable to intentional abuse. Claiming the opposite is akin to claiming you've refuted Gödel's first incompleteness theorem. And if you've succeeded at either, I'd like to see the evidence. (Just a heads-up, you're starting to line up a pretty tall list of things you'll need to accomplish to support you
Before i claim the opposite, i would like to see your mathematical proof that a "useful" API can not protect against intentional abuse. (Citation?)
You have this backwards. I can point to every major browser, along with research directly addressing the topic. Whereas you haven't provided one iota of evidence to back up your misguided and ignorant statements.
Since it's obvious you have nothing of value to contribute, I'm just going to close this out with a suggestion. When confronted with a topic you obviously know nothing about, please resist the temptation to make noise just so people will notice you. It just wastes everyone's time and prevents you fr
It's just sad that you find it perfectly acceptable to comment like this on an application you obviously know absolutely nothing about. Chrome actually does run extensions in a sandbox. It also warns on installation of an extension, and explains what permissions that extension requires. If an extensions attempts something require a privilege that wasn't in its installation manifest the operation fails. As I said in another comment, the UI has issues and could certainly be improved, but the fact is that Chro
> For now, only install plugins from people you know and trust...
Um, "for now"?
So, he created a plugin that let him do what the plugin architecture is designed to allow him to do? I'm not sure how this is newsworthy...
Yeah, combined with the Android rootkit [slashdot.org] it seems like Google has no concept of security.
These "security researchers" need to understand that there is neither respect nor prestige creating software that asks permissions to do something and then does it. They are merely pointing at various faces of a larger system flaw: that people who don't understand computers will not understand what any type of software can do to their computers. There really is no "best case" solution for this problem. Either choose a ve [apple.com]
They are merely pointing at various faces of a larger system flaw: that people who don't understand computers will not understand what any type of software can do to their computers.
That's an excellent point, and one that most people miss. No matter how much security you lather onto a system (infrastructure and AV) or how difficult you make it to do mundane tasks (I'm looking at YOU uac and gksudo), it's fatally flawed if it has to be used by a person.
capable of running whatever code I instruct it to? Waah, I want big government/big business to protect me!
Seriously though, this isn't news. Extensions are intended to be general purpose, and in order to be powerful enough to do what you want, some risks are taken. I suppose you could take a partial sandboxing approach such as BitFrost or that taken in Android to warn users of what permissions are being requested (and mitigate the effect of expoits), but there's a tradeoff between functionality and safety.
I wrote an extension to FF long ago that was reading any form field at all, including password fields and was able to send this information to any address on the web via an http call. Starting from FF version 2 the method I used to read the form field (basically enumerating the form input fields with javascript) could no longer read the password field from a form.
Executing arbitrary code downloaded from the internet might lead to arbitrary code execution. Not news.
...WHY Google allows so much potential access of personal data to installed Extensions?!
I mean every time I tried to install an extension on Chrome I got the warning that it could potentially access my user data and or browser history, and I still don't see any reason that extensions should (even potentially) be allowed access to that information!
Safari on iOS (iPad, iPhone, iPod) doesn't have extensions. On iOS, instead of an extension, the developer just creates a whole other browser, and that has to be audited to be deployed. Although you may be able to write this for Safari on Mac/Windows, those extensions have to be signed to run, and signatures can be revoked immediately, so even if you got this deployed, at the first sign of trouble it stops running on 100% of systems. There is very little point in tagging a wall that can repaint itself insta
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The American Cancer Society recently visited Davidson County Community College to help spread the word on a unique nationwide study — the ACS Cancer Prevention Study. The outcome of the study may help obtain answers to what causes certain types of cancers and how to prevent the disease.
The American Cancer Society recently visited Davidson County Community College to help spread the word on a unique nationwide study — the ACS Cancer Prevention Study. The outcome of the study may help obtain answers to what causes certain types of cancers and how to prevent the disease.
The college was chosen as a site as a way not only to help educate the public about the ongoing study, but to encourage community members to enroll. As one of the largest employers in Davidson County, DCCC is heavily involved in other projects organized by the ACS, including Relay for Life.
Jennifer Sink, biology faculty at DCCC and cancer survivor, has been involved with ACS events for eight years. She notes that the campus served as a great location to share facts and details about the study and what it can do to help the fight against cancer in the future.
"DCCC is proud to serve the citizens of Davidson County and our neighboring counties," Sink says. "Our primary focus is to educate our community, and this extends past the classroom."
This particular study, the CPS-3, seeks to find out how genetics and lifestyle factors may play a role in causing cancer. Previous studies completed by the ACS have linked cigarette smoking and obesity to cancer. The nationwide study, which will draw from 300,000 participants, will include research for a 20-30 year period and will follow participants during the research period.
Rebecca Sink, community manager in the South Atlantic Division of ACS, says participating in the study may seem like a big commitment, but those involved are only contacted every two to four years to gather information on health and lifestyle changes.
"This is a very broad study that could truly change the face of cancer and how we prevent it," Rebecca Sink says. "Just as the polio vaccination took time and research, I believe these types of studies will do the same for cancer; it may not be in our lifetimes, but if it affects our children and future generations, then it's valuable to us."
"We currently have faculty and staff who are being treated for cancer, and it's important for all of us to unite together for a common cause," Jennifer Sink says. "Most of our students, faculty and staff have been affected by cancer in some way, and if this study yields results that will help prevent cancer, the impact could be life-changing."
Rebecca Sink adds that educating the DCCC community about this historic research effort was a great opportunity. She says students were interested in what they were doing, and many had stories to share about family and friends affected by cancer.
"Everyone has a story about how their life has been touched by cancer, and it really helps people to be able to share their experiences." Rebecca Sink says. "We appreciate the people who came to us and brought us their stories about people they knew who were affected by cancer. It was really neat to see the younger generations on campus get involved."
For more information about the study, visit www.cps3davidson.org.


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Skip to comments.Before Boston, Warning Signs Chechen Extremists Were Plotting Beyond Russia
Posted on 04/22/2013 11:27:44 AM PDT by Biggirl
If Chechen extremist groups were in any way associated with last week's Boston Marathon bombing, investigators will, in hindsight, see a path littered with warning signs -- which could lead them to the doorstep of one particular extremist group.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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The are always plotting when they aren't killing and killing when they aren't plotting.
Anybody with more than two functioning IQ points knows that mooseSlimes are self-destructive animals belonging to a death cult that is going to either a) convert all of civilization to their satanic religion, b) kill all of civilization or c) themselves die in the process.
What happened in Boston is going to be repeated until all mooseSlimes are either dead or confined to whatever hole they came from. They cannot be civilized. They cannot be tamed. The sooner the United States admits that the sooner we can set about solving the problem.
Doesn't do any good to talk about it. Everyone is afraid to "profile" and won't rush to judgment and won't blame entire groups of people, and so this will happen again and again.
Innocent people don't count. They will die on the altar of political correctness.
Dude ...
Real or fake, Amazon obviously hasn't noticed it yet or it would be buried faster than a Michelle Obama racist rant video at NBC headquarters.
.....Except for those who have websites that are NOT afraid to tell it just like it is, such as for example, Jihadwatch.org, Daniel Pipes, etc.
No doubt, it will take a few more of these type of "soft targets" attacks for America to wake up.
Barry's Chechens have come home to roooost.
I remember some guy on one of the news networks, sighting his FBI experience, saying right after the bombing, that he felt it was probably some right winger, angry at the current administration, that bombed Boston.
Of course, lets all look back over time and see how many times "right wingers" did anything like this, that would give this guy any "experience" with "right wingers" doing such things. Hmmmmm.....
But all that got "blown up" one week ago today, 3 minutes ago one week ago.
Also the old msm were made to look disgraceful when it was found out that it ws MUSLIMS that did it.
Good site:
You must have joined the party late, because all the MSM outlets were saying that it was probably a "right wing" Tea Partier that did this.
Why did the Checen cross the playground? To bomb the other slide.
Nuke Chechnya!
It is an Amazon wish list, for real. Look at the dates posted, 2006 and 2007, how could that be fake?
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James Arthur Milley
Lieu de naissance : Glace Bay
Date de naissance : 21 avril 1923
Date de décès : 23 février 2013
It is with deepest sympathy we announce the passing of our father, James Arthur Milley, at Celtic Court on Saturday, Feb. 23, 2013.
Born in Glace Bay, April 21, 1923, he was the son of the late William and Emily (Snow) Milley.
He worked for Devco 43 years until his retirement in 1984. He was a member of St. Luke's United Church, Donkin.
James is survived by his son, Jimmy (Gladys), Glace Bay, and daughter, Patricia (Winston) Caines, Sydney Forks; grandchildren, Blair Milley and Jimmie Milley, Ottawa, Jillian Caines, Grand Cayman Islands, Stephen Caines, Iqualuit; great-grandchildren, Brandon and Joshua Milley, Ottawa. He is also survived by brothers, Francie (Evelyn), David (Beryl), Al, Ken, Hube (Beatrice); sister, Abe as well as many nieces and nephews.
James was predeceased by his loving wife, May of 67 years in 2011, and also by daughter, Gloria at the age of two. He was also predeceased by brothers, Fred, John, William, Absolom and Thomas in infancy, sisters, Margaret, Hazel, Naomi, Mary and Janet.
Visitation will be 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. Monday, Feb. 25 at Patten Funeral Home, 71 Union St. Glace Bay. Funeral service will be 2 p.m. Tuesday, Feb. 26 at the Patten Funeral Home Chapel with Nancy Whitney Latham DLM officiating. Burial will be in St. Luke's Cemetery at a later date.
Donations to the Heart & Lung Association or charity of one's choice.
Online condolences may be sent to www.pattenfuneral.com.


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Hey Briana.. any update on Roxy? Did she go to her vet appt. on March 11 like you said she was?
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Hey Briana.. any update on Roxy? Did she go to her vet appt. on March 11 like you said she was?
Err..no. Because she's starting to gain weight back, so we didn't take her. She has to go in May though for vaccinations.
I hope she is gaining wieght.
Post pix of her please! We miss seeing recent pix of her.
There's a whole thread on her and Lily I posted yesterday :DQuote:
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Yes, I saw the thread. You can't see Roxy's body.
Just her head.... can't really tell if she gained wieght by her head.
Forget it.
:( Errr...well you can see her body in the pic with Lily and her.
Just because she's gaining weight is no reason to not take her to the vet, Briana.. didn't AC say you need to get her checked out? So do it.
BCmom, maybe a pm would be more appropriate that this, personally I am sick and tired of everyone calling roxyluv out on this public forum. Everyone knows her mom is making the calls, just give it a rest already.
No...they didnt say we needed to get her checked out. We figured out she doesnt have worms, because for one thing I checked her poop, and for another, she has to go in May. She's perfectly ok now. And Thank you Caseysmom. :)Quote:
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Oh, and Jess, why are you being so against me lately? :confused:
From the recent pictures I have seen her weight looks fine, just give her more than before, it sounded like the food amounts were a little low before:?
I know your doing the best you can with your mom, just keep up the good fight for roxy.
I don't like to see people get bullied and at some point this becomes bullying imo.
I have been feeding her more, and it seems to help. My mom actually let Roxy in the kitchen the other night so I could take pics of her!Quote:
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Originally Posted by Roxyluvsme13
Just to let you know, you can't always see worms in the poop when a dog has worms, and I don't know what her having to go in May has to do with her not having worms? But anyway, I am glad she is getting more to eat, that will definitely help her. Sounds like she wasn't getting enough before, especially with the cold.
Yeah, I remembered that :) But wouldn't she be acting a little different if she had worms? Like don't dogs usually scrape their bum on the ground, because the worms irritate that area? Roxy hasn't shown any of that. If I would have not listened to my mom and grandpa then Roxy would have been eating more a long time ago.Quote:
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I agree with Vela and NO, you can't tell if dogs have parasites unless you test thier poop under a microscope.Quote:
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Scrape their bum on the ground..... silliest thing I've ever heard.... apart from the fact that I don't think you'd notice if Roxy did do that.
Well, excuse me I didn't know. I just heard that if dogs rub their butts along the ground that it means they have worms. and Um..yeah I *WOULD* Notice if Roxy was doing that.Quote:
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Speaking of the fiscal cliff, let's take a minute to review what it is and how it all began. Imagine yourself standing on top of a cliff and it's December 31st, New Year's Eve and you're looking down, way down, toward New Year's Day. That's the deadline, the day a lot of fiscal policy will change and nearly all of us will feel it unless Congress acts.
Congress, along with the White House, set that deadline to resolve the long nasty fight over budget deficits and the debt ceiling back in the summer of 2011. Our political leaders thought it would be a good idea to increase the stakes of failing to find ways to reduce the deficit to create an incentive for compromise. So they established automatic cuts and tax hikes that would take effect on January 1st, 2013, the fiscal cliff.
BLOCK: But no compromise has yet emerged, so here we are in November headed toward that fiscal cliff. If Congress does not act before the end of the year there will be across the board cuts in spending to everything but entitlements. That means education, defense, food stamps, national parks, you name it. And there's the other side of the package, the Bush era tax cuts expire, so taxes will go up.
SIEGEL: And the cliff gets even higher when you add in the fact that some stimulus measures are expiring January 1st, including the payroll tax holiday and extended unemployment benefits. So both consumers and the government are going to have a lot less to spend if we go over that cliff and that could push the economy back into recession.
BLOCK: Here's a request for you. While our leaders work on backing us away from the fiscal cliff, you might get tired of hearing that phrase over and over. Do you have a new metaphor for us? We're open to suggestions. Please send them to us at NPR.org. As always, scroll to the bottom of the page and click Contact Us. And please put: Let's Get Fiscal in the subject line. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.


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How do we define the Theory used by Mozart, as opposed to modern music, in which almost anything goes?
For example, I'm fairly sure that Mozart didn't use 11th chords.
I'm also pretty sure his key changes followed certain rules, such as only modulating up a fifth or fourth.
He also used very standardized cadences.
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Greenwich Academy hockey team hands Darien its first loss
Updated 11:21 pm, Tuesday, January 8, 2013
STAMFORD -- Though Tuesday marked the Greenwich Academy ice hockey team's first game in more than three weeks, coach Moe Tarrant didn't see any signs of rust in his squad. All he witnessed was pure domination.
Executing to near perfection, Greenwich Academy played like a team that had been on the ice every day during the holiday break Tuesday against Darien. And Tarrant couldn't help but be surprised.
Receiving goals from six different players, Greenwich Academy coasted to its sixth straight win, downing Darien High, 6-0, at Chelsea Piers.
"I was pleasantly surprised with how we played," Tarrant said. "Usually your skating is okay after a long break, but your passing and shooting is rusty. But our team was sharp and it was encouraging to see how we came out of the box. I wasn't expecting that type of execution."
The Gators (8-1) scored two goals in each period and outshot the Blue Wave 32-7.
"I think this was one of the best games we played this year," said GA freshman Olivia LeSueur, who registered two assists. "We passed really well and got the puck up the ice."
The loss was the first for Darien (6-1-1), which allowed only seven goals through its first seven games.
"Greenwich Academy has a really nice team and the only way we are going to get better is to play teams like that," Darien coach Jamie Tropsa said. "It's good for our team to see a team like that, so they know what it's going to take to get to that level."
All over the puck from the outset, the Gators scored the game's first goal with 7 minutes, 15 seconds remaining in the opening period. Senior forward Eva Rosencrans won a battle for the puck along the boards and sent it to defenseman Janka Hlinka. The junior found forward Dani Freedman alone at the doorstep and Freedman finished, putting GA ahead, 1-0.
"We were able to increase our passing chances today, our passing got a lot better this game," said Freedman, a junior. "In the locker room before the game we were excited and we didn't let up on the ice."
Said LeSueur: "They were undefeated, so we knew this was going to be a hard game. We knew could set the tone of the game if we got off to a great start."
Senior defenseman Mary Taussig's one-timer off a feed from senior Pam Schulman made it a 2-0 game with 4:27 to go in the first period. The Blue Wave's best scoring chance during the first period came on freshman forward Marissa Baker's breakaway attempt with just over a minute left to play in the first period. But GA senior goalie Annie DeFrino got her glove on the high shot, keeping Darien off the scoreboard. Scoring chances were few and far between for the Blue Wave, due to the strong play of Gators defensemen Sarah Kaplan, Hlinka and Taussig.
"One things we have worked hard on is closing the gap, to give away one inch of real estate is ridiculous," Tarrant said. "Having three seniors back there -- they really execute that."
After freshman Megan Collins' goal put Darien in a 3-0 hole, Schulman struck with 3:14 to go in the second period. Jumping on a loose puck in the neutral zone, Schulman got loose on a breakaway, beating Blue Wave goalie Shannon Hall with a backhand shot, for Greenwich's Academy's fourth goal.
"Coming back from our break I was happy to see that we kept our passing up and our endurance was really good," Schulman said.
Spending a lot of time in Darien's zone, the Gators kept Hall busy in goal throughout.
"We don't play a team at this level all the time, so I'm happy to see us work as hard as we did," Tropsa said. "A loss to a good team like this -- hopefully we can learn from it and get better."
Rosencrans tallied off a tip-in and senior forward Caitlin Buckley finished from close in to cap the scoring for GA, which will travel to Middlebury College Sunday to take on formidable Vermont Academy.
"After coming back from vacation to set the tone for this weekend like this was great," Schulman said.
Greenwich Academy 6, Darien 0
Goals: GA -- Dani Freedman, Mary Taussig, Megan Collins, Pam Schulman, Eva Rosencrans, Caitlin Buckley; Assists: GA -- Janka Hlinka 2, Olivia LeSueur 2, Schulman, Isabella Crawford, Buckley, Taussig, Kate DeFrino, Rosencrans, Sarah Kaplan. Goalies: GA -- Annie DeFrino (7 saves); D -- Shannon Hall (26 saves).
Records: Greenwich Academy 8-1; Darien 6-1-1.


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snydeq writes "Fatal Exception's Neil McAllister examines the recent trend among retailers to provide outside developers access to open APIs — one that promises opportunity for developers to transform retailer data transparency into lucrative business models. But whether the trend lives up to its potential remains to be seen, especially given the hurdles small and midsize businesses face launching programs similar to those in place at Amazon, Zappos, and Sears. McAllister writes, 'There's a definite "Field of Dreams" quality to any such undertaking. Ask any company that hosts an open source software project how many outsiders actually commit code changes on a regular basis and you're likely to hear a discouraging figure. Similarly, just because a retailer builds an API doesn't mean anyone will actually use it. Given the uncertain prospects of return, it can be difficult to justify such an investment.'"


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To paraphrase a famous line from "Field of Dreams," "If you paint it, they will come."
To paraphrase a famous line from "Field of Dreams," "If you paint it, they will come."
"It" can be a variety of large, fiberglass objects: rabbits, guitars, sneakers, pigs and doughnuts. Lexington residents, of course, are familiar with the painted pigs from the five "Pigs in the City" public art exhibits that took place in 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2009. The first coincided with Lexington's 175th anniversary and proved so popular four sequels — or piguels, if you prefer — occurred, producing a total of 121 pigs.
Now Winston-Salem plans to get in on the action, thanks to Krispy Kreme. The company has commissioned a "Doughnuts on Parade" public art project, according to an article in the Winston-Salem Journal's Relish section. The doughnuts will first be displayed in the city's holiday parade Dec. 7 and then go on display both outside and inside before being auctioned to benefit charities and schools.
Lexington's pigs remain extremely popular, even four-plus years after the last litter. I witnessed this first-hand during the Barbecue Festival. I ate lunch in front of the Old Davidson County Court House, and one of the pigs sits nearby. Several people stopped to make pictures. Some even decided sitting on top would make a good photograph, unfortunately.
Sixty-five of the pigs remain visible around town, either on streets or in businesses, according to the Uptown Lexington website. One pig sits in the lobby of The Dispatch. Named "The Reporker," he's painted like newspaperman Clark Kent, with the Superman outfit visible on his chest, large glasses and a reporter's hat complete with press pass on the side. My sons and I helped paint this pig back in 2004 during the second installment.
Seeing painted pigs around the city seems natural to most Davidson County folks. We're proud of Lexington-style barbecue, which comes from a pig, of course. Since the first pigs appeared 10 years ago, we're used to them now, and they've become part of the uniqueness of Lexington.
Other locations have used similar tie-ins with objects from their area. The examples I cited above all appeared as images in a Google search for fiberglass art projects. That same search showed the existence of companies that make variously shaped fiberglass objects. One company cited 450 public art projects that used some of its 340 molds.
But the idea of doughnuts for Winston-Salem did raise my eyebrows and elicit a chuckle. Sure, Krispy Kreme is based in the hyphenated city, but I'm not sure that's the object I would have picked to represent Winston-Salem. Since Krispy Kreme is the sponsor, I understand why the company picked its own product, but I wonder if this was sponsored by another group if they would pick a different object.
Many years ago, perhaps a cigarette pack would have been the choice, although health-conscious folks would have surely objected. That group might instead opt for a medical theme, perhaps a large stethoscope. But the troubles with the Affordable Care Act might render that idea moot.
Winston-Salem isn't really a college town, like say Chapel Hill, but I wouldn't mind seeing Demon Deacons appear around the city in homage to my alma mater, Wake Forest. History buffs would vote for something to represent Old Salem, perhaps the famous coffee pot (or teapot, depending on who you believe) near the area. Or one could give a nod to the city's religious heritage and paint Moravian stars, although even the most talented artist might find this surface a challenge.
I'm just glad the leaders at Uptown Lexington, Inc., which sponsored the "Pigs in the City" exhibits, opted for pigs rather than the finished product of a barbecue sandwich. Pigs lend themselves to all kinds of whimsical interpretations, but there's only so much one could do with a chopped sandwich. I doubt the exhibit would have been such a hit if we saw a lot of fiberglass sandwiches sitting around.
Maybe the time has come for another round of "Pigs in the City." Doing it too frequently dulls the excitement, but 2014 will mark five years since new pigs appeared. Uptown Lexington offers the BBQ Capital Cook-Off in the spring, and the Barbecue Festival comes in the fall. So new pigs could bridge the gap between the two events.
What do you think, Lexington? Is it time to order another batch of pigs?
Chad Killebrew is executive editor of The Dispatch. He can be reached at 249-3981, ext. 215, or at email@example.com.


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The inability of legislators in Sacramento to work across the aisle has been consistent and frustrating over the years.
When it does happen, Democrats and Republicans usually puff out their chests and crow, especially during election time.
But, for the most part, legislators battle each other and sometimes governors from another party. The tug-of-war means snail-like progress on many important issues.
Water certainly is one of them.
All it took to bring both sides together this time is a historic drought and a water bond measure with a $7.5 billion price tag that will go before voters in November.
The two bodies voted 114-2 (37-0 in the Senate and 77-2 in the Assembly) to put the bond on the ballot. Somewhat appropriately, one person from each party (Twin Peaks Republican Tim Donnelly and Arcata Democrat Wesley Chesbro) voted no.
Given the need for water in southern California and the population and voter turnout demographics that skew in favor of that area, it's hard to imagine the bond not passing.
More important for us: What does it mean to Northern California? Surprisingly, most indicators are positive, which explains why all of our area legislators voted in favor of moving the water bond forward.
Crucially, it appears to be "tunnel neutral." That is, of course, if you trust the state.
It appears as if legislators, realizing how severe the drought is this year and that it could continue, didn't mesh the immediate needs with Gov. Jerry Brown's plan to stick two 40-foot-wide "straws" in the Delta as part of the plan to move water southward.
"People may not like this part or that part," said Rep. Susan Eggman, D-Stockton. "But if it passes, it doesn't hurt us. And as legislators, we need to take a more statewide perspective."
Among the positives for Northern California are $50 million for the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta Conservancy to pay for wildlife enhancement and $295 million to reduce the risk of Delta levee failures.
Other elements of the bond (water recycling, groundwater protection, water security and more) stand to benefit many regions of the state.
An essential aspect of the bond is the money to be dedicated to water storage: $2.7 billion. It's been too much talk and not enough action on storage-related issues for several decades, and the state is paying the price for inaction.
Various agencies whose vital mission is to protect and safeguard the Delta are dismayed with the bond measure and what they see as unqualified support by the legislators who have been their allies against the Twin Tunnels project.
"Thirty years from now, our words will be recognized as correct, because this will not solve California's water needs," said Barbara Barrigan-Parrilla, director of Restore The Delta.
The distrust of how the state would administer bond monies is understandable and well earned. We're asking the state to be good stewards of an immense amount of money, and they've bungled such endeavors in the past.
We stop far short of endorsing the water bond that voters will face in November. There's much more to be dissected; more questions to be asked.
But legislators have put together a bond that should not be dismissed simply because of its price tag or lingering distrust.
It's amazing, in this era of partisan politics, what can be done when sides work together. Perhaps they should try it more often.


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If you bought 3 1TB seagate, you'd be 3x as likely to suffer a failure. So that's really more like a 400,000 hour MTBF for 3TB worth of space.
I break in to your house and steal your Drobo, then what?
I actually did quite thorough review of NAS/Backup boxes for home use and in the end decided to build one myself. Now I have a 4TB Ubuntu box with plenty of room to expand and connectivity and what's most important: total control of the system. The passively cooled mini-itx board and the case supports 6 sata III drives besides having eSata and USB 3.0, the OS launches from a small SSD. Raid is something that many people automatically implement even though it's not always necessary or convenient. I simply rs
I first tried FreeNAS before installing Ubuntu, and ZFS was a natural choice (for the 2TB drives). I didn't want to use the SSD as a cache for ZFS so decided to install Ubuntu on it rather than having an unused HD. The SSD has the default Linux filesystem. I found a great ZFS driver, which doubled the disk to disk transfer rate from fuse-ZFS.
Pony up. I need to transition off of fuse-ZFS. Is it ZFS on Linux? I've been waiting forever for it to exit beta, but mostly just not having time to experiment.
Yes it is (http://zfsonlinux.org/). I installed it from Darik Horn's PPA as instructed in the FAQ. I don't know how fast the disks should optimally be (100 MB/s reads from single disk, WD Caviar Green), but disk to disk rate peaks and goes a bit above 60 MB/s compared to 30 MB/s before. Average is somewhere a bit above 40 MB/s.
That is an improvement. I tend to attribute the slowdown compared to the 100MB/s to filesystem overhead. Particularly in my case b/c I'm generally writing over gigabit from OS X via a netatalk AFP share. But even as-is, I tend to get above 30MB/s to a single-disk ZFS pool on ZFSfuse. I would love to see that jump to 50-60MB/s, which I would have to consider best-case reading/writing over a single gigabit link from OS X from a single laptop HD.
I have seriously considered switching from Ubuntu to Fedora h
The FreeNAS people recommend at least 6 Gigabytes of memory for a system of my size, and when I do a large copy (about 100 GB OSX Image) it actually takes that much and reaches the top speed. The CPU cores hit 100% (the board Asus E35M1-I Deluxe, with AMD Fusion). If you have a large setup the extra memory will likely contribute to the transfer rate. I checked out the other NAS OS's but I like Ubuntu for the versatility. It's probably possible to have yet another performance boost by having a more optimized
Huh... how fast is your network?
That 6 GB figure for RAM seems a bit excessive (although with cheap RAM prices, probably no big deal). I'm running a 4x1TB ZFS on OpenSolaris and it hits Gigabit Ethernet speed with 2 GB RAM (not actually sure it's even using all that).
I was benchmarking internal disk to disk transfers, and the system really took a bit over 6 Gigabytes. The memory usage pattern was somewhat of interest, as it ramped up for some time until releasing, and the cycle was restarted. The default of ZFS seems to be that all of the system memory is used except 1GB: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide#Memory_and_Dynamic_Reconfiguration_Recommendations [solarisinternals.com]
From Freenas Hardware reqs: "The best way to get the most out of your FreeNAS h
Important note was left out from the FreenNAS Hardware reqs:
NOTE: by default, ZFS disables pre-fetching (caching) for systems containing less than 4 GB of usable RAM. Not using pre-fetching can really slow down performance. 4 GB of usable RAM is not the same thing as 4 GB of installed RAM as the operating system resides in RAM. This means that the practical pre-fetching threshhold is 6 GB, or 8 GB of installed RAM. You can still use ZFS with less RAM, but performance will be affected.
You're using ZFS and manually managing backups with rsync? That's ass backwards.
I understand ZFS is mostly for RAID's then? Most probably I'm not doing things as they should be done, but I like ZFS and originally thought of using FreeNAS, which recommends ZFS anyway. I'll probably check back to it when the new version matures a bit. I'm not after meticulous performance tweaking though. It's just great to have a back-up system rather than a single back-up drive (most of my data is practically triple secured).
Yes, ZFS is so RAID centric that it has it's own designation RAID-Z.
Uhhh...why not just split the difference and save a ton o' cash? I bought a 1Tb EcoDrive for my OS a couple of months back, on sale for $39, and a 2Tb EcoDrive a couple of weeks ago, again on sale for $59. Last I checked those 3Tb drives were still pretty high and this lets me switch out the OS drive for another 2Tb down the road although frankly I think I may have hit my limit on usefulness. Even with every game I even slightly like I still have 1400Gb free on the 2Tb, and with a dual boot XP and Win 7 PLU
Even the 750k MTBF feels bogus. In my experience actual failure rate is just a hair under 3%, which works out to about 300k MTBF. Maybe they're quoting the MTBF of a drive still in its anti-static bag, sitting in the spares drawer
Try shoving 36 3TB drives in one of these: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/847/SC847E26-R1400LP.cfm [supermicro.com] and you'll appreciate MTBF in a whole new light. My approach is simple: I take the number of drives, times 3% annual failure, times the number of years I want to
For a single drive, well, failure rate becomes a lottery.
You misspelled "single manufacturing batch of drives".
The problem is that a hard drive "batch" isn't really a batch at all, it's an entire production run from any particular facility. Typically, once you break into a new "batch", the drives have other differences like a cost-reduced controller or different platter density, that makes it unsuitable for integration with the existing array.
The most defining indicator I've seen for hard drives is simply its inception date. If you take a bunch of drives, start pounding them in a RAID simultaneously, they are a li
That's the right way to do it you don't want to deal with field service.
And 3% sounds perfectly reasonable for the consumer channel remembering my hard drive days. You only get to 1 or 2% in a tightly controlled OEM environment with mature (aka obsolete) technology. That's why enterprise storage vendors are always 1 or 2 generations behind the bleeding edge. We're just now qualifying 2TB drives.
Total lie. Most HDD's will fail around 3 years, so ~26,000 hours.
>Total lie
My hdd still running since 1997 would prove you wrong....although I do not have much on it as it is a small hdd (250gb),
it would still outlast any of the devices today......
Just keep your receipt; Seagate is giving you a 5 year warranty on the 3TB drives.
I have lots of hard drives here which are 4+ years old, I have only had one fail in the past year. I'm sure the oldest drive that's still working here is 8+ years old, and there were lots more that just got cycled out.
I don't give anyone my failed HD's... it's a privacy thing.
MTBF are fictitious figures. They mean nothing.
Hard drive warranties are irrelevant. They mean nothing.
Warranties do not imply quality. Seems like they might but... they don't.
My Seagates fail faithfully after around 30,000 hours. I track 'em so I know.
WD's fail... Hitachi's fail... they all fail if you use them long enough.
Working 8-year old hard drives can be the basis for an amusing anecdote, one of those "ain't that the dangest thing" sort of st
I just dealt with a failed drive last night. The drive was a 26-year-old NEC D5124.
Hows THAT for TBF?
For every drive they comment that the drives have a 2.72TB capacity reported in windows. Why is this surprising them so much? Everyone knows that Windows misreports TiB as TB. Given that all these drives are advertised as 3TB, and 3TB is equal to 2.728TiB it's hardly surprising the capacity that windows reports, is it?
Also do not miss the fact the drives have throughput topping 160TB per second. These drives are fast. o_O
http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1712/3tb_roundup_atto_read.png [hothardware.com]
160GB/s, but yeh, still rather off the chart
160GB/s, but yeh, still rather off the chart
Everyone knows that Windows misreports TiB as TB.
Uh, no; "everyone*" knows that hard drive manufacturers, computer manufacturers, and resellers misrepresent TiB as TB, and in the rare cases they do disclose it in advertising or on the outside packaging, it is in 3- or 4-point fine print in a low-contrast color and written in a very technical manner that may as well come across as greek to a nontechnical person, or will refer the user to a web site.
Windows reports the traditionally-accepted units to the e
Google is getting it wrong. 1 Mega byte is equal to 1000 kilo bytes, which is equal to 1000000 bytes. 1 Mebi byte is equal to 1024 kibi bytes, which is equal to 1048576 bytes. These are agreed standards by the IEEE, ISO and IEC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte [wikipedia.org]
Way to complex.
For us American consumers, I would suggest
Oprah Winfrey
None of this mathy stuff.
You have to plan for the future.
What's beyond Oprah Winfrey? And what happens if she shrinks? Is that data loss? Is it recoverable or reusable?
OMG, what will we do if the Library of Congress burns down! Or -- traveling backward in time -- all the gold transmutes!
She shrunk once before during the "Oprah Diet".
Somehow we all survived that. Later, she seemed to recover all the loss just fine... and then some.
They can say whatever they want, but even today I'd never even heard of a 'mebibyte' and I have both a degree in comp sci and I've been in IT for over a decade. In fact I'm currently working for a college whose comp sci program doesn't once mention medbibytes anywhere. You ranting about how 'MB' doesn't mean what most of the world was taught seems to mean a whole lot of nothing.
Personally 'way back' in 1996 when I went to college mebibytes didn't exist and we were taught 1 KB (kilobytes) = 1024 bytes. Every
Am I reading the graphs wrong, or are they claiming 160,000MB/s throughput on those drives?
Is that supposed to be KB/s? I might buy 160MB/s (that's still crazy high), but 160GB?
Sure, a single external drive for backups is one thing but for everyday use I prefer to use RAID-5 or RAID-Z. Sure it's anecdotal but it just seems to me that newer drives fail more often than older ones. Not to mention that losing all the data on a 3 TB disk is a bit worse than losing all the data on a 540 MB or even 9 GB disk was. Sure I had important data on those as well, but it was easier to keep the most important stuff backed up properly.
The idea of a rational backup strategy is that you don't lose data, no matter what size drive you are using. So if you're worried about a 3TB drive failing, you're doing it wrong.
The rational backup strategy for my movie collection *is* a RAID-1. One of which has actually failed (Samsung 2GB) so I have to replace it *quick*. It's not 100 safe or anything, but it's a balanced decission in my opinion.
Documents are stored on my SSD, my RAID and online, but I don't need 3 GB for that anyway.
And that's fine. But backup strategy shouldn't be based on 'ooh, that drive is too big to fail'. That IS what RAID is for, after all.
The claims that newer drives are more error prone is a fallacy, resulting from a failure to understand basic statistics. These are people who in the past have bought one, maybe two hard drives, but now they have several OS drives on several computers, plus several more for bulk storage, portable storage, etc. When you have five times the number of drives, you are five times more likely to suffer a failure in one of them. People are experiencing more failures, because there is more to fail, and they are i
For us old foggies what we did is read the drive parameters off the drive
and then manually enter them.
Then if the controller could not address all the space we used
what was called a drive overlay software usually provided
by the manufacture, that should get you up and running
but back in the day drive compression software could cause
serious issues with drives built with a drive overlay.
Also data recovery get more than just a little tricky.
If the bios can't autodetect the drive that is your most likely
path to
Do 3 TB exist and are reliable?
4TB [seagate.com] is where it's at!
The intelligence of any discussion diminishes with the square of the number of participants. -- Adam Walinsky


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I just got the book at the school book fair and I can't wait to read it! I just wanted somone elses opinion on it before I start.
Is half moon investigation a good book?
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