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And they call me anti-social next they are going to call me a communist.
But doesn't anti-socialism lead to anti-communism?
"In this case, the chimp remembered that people were outside of his cage on other days, and realized that that would probably be true again. He prepared for that prediction. Animals just don't tend to plan ahead, and it's exciting that this one did."
You mean like when elephants come back to the same grazing area year after year?
No. Elephants don't bring sticks and rocks to scare away lions they regularly meet at yearly watering holes.
This involved:
- detection of arbitrary cycles
- planning for how to deal with them
- relatively elaborate creation of tools to support plan
Pretty exciting stuff indeed.
Pretty impress CV; I'd hire him.
Arguably, he demonstrated more foresight and planning than the primates running the investment banks on Wall Street.
This is that far from the truth as you might think
A while ago a Dutch TV show did a experiment on this very subject.
They had let a group of apes handpick a bunch of stocks and let a group of notable bankers do the same.
After 1 month the apes had yielded a higher net profit then the bankers did.....
Of course this was for shits and giggles but very funny nontheless.
Bankers or stockbrokers? Because they're very different. You'd expect bankers to look for a relatively conservative growth model
Bankers of which era? Recent bankers haven't been very conservative.
Woah, woah, woah. You're saying that lending enormous amounts of money with extremely high interest rates to people who can't possibly afford to pay it back is a bad idea? Since when? Next you're going to tell me that trickle-down economics doesn't work and that two plus two doesn't equal five (even for very large values of two)! You obviously aren't an economics major.
>This involved:
>- detection of arbitrary cycles
>- planning for how to deal with them
>- relatively elaborate creation of tools to support plan
I would even speculate that there is an element of "avoiding being caught executing the plan."
Does that imply a guilty conscience to some degree, or only fear of his handlers?
Pretty exciting stuff indeed.
Maybe if it had been a bear. Monkeys in general show very strong signs of human-level intelligence. They're pretty much on par with our children.
For those of you reading this who are interested in watching a short video showing just how smart monkeys are, check out this TED piece on Bonobos. [ted.com]
Because it's an aspect of chimpanzee intelligence that hadn't previously been observed, apparently.
Years ago I read about some animal sanctuary where they were trying to keep chimpanzees in captivity. They had to run the place like a real jail for humans. If you forget to lock a door in (say) the elephant enclosure at the zoo you would be okay for a while. Not so with chimps.
I am surprised that anybody is surprised by this. Chimpanzees are nasty scheming vicious murderous animals. Just like us.
Years ago I read about some animal sanctuary where they were trying to keep chimpanzees in captivity. They had to run the place like a real jail for humans. If you forget to lock a door in (say) the elephant enclosure at the zoo you would be okay for a while. Not so with chimps.
I am surprised that anybody is surprised by this.
I think the key here is that the chimp anticipated future events and planned rather than just showing an understanding of the current situation, which are dramatically different capabilities. A chimp realizing the door is unlocked is one thing, that is interesting enough given what we usually think of non-human intelligence (I'd say ignorance rather than arrogance, I'm not around a lot of chimps). It's another to demonstrate that the chimp can forecast events that haven't occoured yet, this is something that humans seem barely capable of.
Maybe something in TFA backs me up on this... Holy crap, suprise of suprises, IT DOES!
"These observations convincingly show that our fellow apes do consider the future in a very complex way," said the author of the report, Lund University Ph.D. student Mathias Osvath. "It implies that they have a highly developed consciousness, including lifelike mental simulations of potential events."...
The observations confirmed the result of a staged laboratory experiment reported in 2006 by scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. In that case orangutans and bonobos were able to figure out which tool would work in an effort to retrieve grapes, and were able to remember to bring that tool along hours later.
To be honest, I'm suprised that you're suprised that people who study chimps are suprised by this. These seem to be people who know chimps pretty well, if this were an old result, you'd think they wouldn't be wasting their time. Whenever I've thought an expert in a field I don't know as well is wasting their time, I usually come to realize that I was actually not understanding the situation.
Whenever I've thought an expert in a field I don't know as well is wasting their time, I usually come to realize that I was actually not understanding the situation.
You, or the guy that hands out the grant money..
Any zookeeper who has ever worked primates would tell you that this is pretty typical.
My wife worked as a keeper at a prominent chimp and orangutan sanctuary for several years. She would come home with tales that would make your skin crawl of how smart the apes (both chimps and orangutans) are. It turns out that the OUs (you don't say "orangs", as it offends some of the more hard-core keepers) are the more cunning of the two -- she likened them to engineers.
Some examples:
Did you know that the apes you see in TV ads (such as CareerBuilder) and films (such as Dunston Checks In) are never more than 3 or 4 years old, but have a lifespan only a little shorter than humans? They're only "cute" when they are very young, and quickly become uncontrollable, no matter how well-trained they are -- precisely because they have that kind of intelligence. (Roughly that of a 4- to 6-year-old child.)
After that, they are retired and put in cages (rarely zoos) for the rest of their lives. The entertainers wash their hands of them, then your tax dollars are spent to maintain them for the next 40+ years. Depending on the facility, this can be as much as $20,000USD per ape per year.
So every time you see a "funny monkey video", think about how much of your paycheck is going to support that ape in a few years.
you don't say "orangs", as it offends some of the more hard-core keepers
That is really funny because "orang" is a Malay (and Indonesian) word for "person."
"Orang utan" literally means "forest person" (the languages put the adjective after the noun).
Animals just don't tend to plan ahead"
Please. Any kid with a subscription to zoobooks can tell you about arctic foxes burying portions of a kill for later use during winter. And what other animal has raped and exploited nature for its own immediate gains? Lets see where global warming takes us, then I'll ask you how good we are at 'thinking ahead'.
Thus, researchers are always on the lookout for situations that can distinguish between the two. Novel situations where instincts wouldn't be expected to apply, pathological situations where instincts would fail if applied, etc.
I wonder, do researchers do this instinctively or is it a cognitive process? If they are always on the lookout for these situations, then that suggests to me that it is instinctive, and that these instincts have helped lead them to succeed as researchers.
Any kid with a subscription to zoobooks can tell you about arctic foxes burying portions of a kill for later use during winter.
There is a VERY important difference here. Arctic foxes don't survive through a few winters without a food cache and think "hey I bet it's going to do that again next year, maybe I should stash some food this summer so I have more to eat next winter?". Evolution has taught them to do that. Same as any other instinctual behavior in any other animal. Babies don't learn to suck the tit.
These chimps identified a pattern, and prepared in advance to benefit themselves when they expected it to repeat. Gathering rocks in the morning to attack tourists in the afternoon is not evolutionary adaptation. Something like that could become an evolutionary behavioral adaptation, but not from 100 years of zoos.
Recognizing a scary object is not the same thing as remembering that a scary object might appear at a certain interval. If you're cat remembered that you took it to the vet on March 10, 2008, too, and it hid in the garage yesterday for that reason, then you'd have a scientific breakthrough.
Ok I giggled. If your cat has a brain the size of a tennis ball then it's got a huge fucking head.
Animals just don't tend to plan ahead, and it's exciting that this one did.
I wonder what all the animals that prepare to hibernate in the winter would think of your statement?
Regardless, this may interest you: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/09/1825206 [slashdot.org]
A parrot (now dead) that understood cause and effect. If he answered a question correctly, like counting the number of blocks of a certain colour, he was allowed a treat. (only if he asked for it)
If he got it wrong, no treat. Apparently he learned not to ask for treats after getting the answer wrong, which unless I'm mistaken (quite likely - I'm not an expert
Pretty smart bird. Doesn't really surprise me that a genetically closer mammal was able to prepare for a future event.
I wonder what all the animals that prepare to hibernate in the winter would think of your statement?
You are under the assumption that it is planning that causes an animal to prepare to hibernate and not pure instinct leading them by the nose.
You don't eat because you realize that if don't various mechanisms in your body are going to fail. You eat because you are hungry. The same is true for hibernation, mating, and a pile of other "planned" behaviors. Two deer don't bang in the fall because they realize that this is their chance to make babies and if they miss the window they will have none. They got at it because they are horny.
One of my favorite articles showing that animals plan ahead:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1543432/Birds-not-so-stupid-after-all.html [telegraph.co.uk]
And birds are often considered "stupid" compared to primates.
I don't think that the monkey had that bad of aim.
Chimps aren't monkeys. They're apes.
Chimps are very bad in hand / eye coordination.
If you make experiments where they have to throw something at a 1 yard big target, 10 yards far away, they splatter the whole area 10 yards left and right of the target. Basically the same is true for distance.
Chimps "love" to throw stuff at others, other chimps or leopards or what ever seems threatening
Intelligent? Maybe. Good aim? Definitely not. He didn't even seriously injure anyone. This is news why?
The morning radio show mentioned this today. Said he broke a couple arms, gave a few concussions and one guy is still "knocked out"...
Clearly not intelligent enough - to really assert his intelligence he ought to be constructing small enclosures for other animals to keep for his own amusement.
Only intelligent animals keep other animals in cages.
Only intelligent animals keep other animals in cages.
Herding Aphids: How 'Farmer' Ants Keep Control Of Their Food [sciencedaily.com]: ants have been known to bite the wings off the aphids in order to stop them from getting away and depriving the ants of one of their staple foods: the sugar-rich sticky honeydew which is excreted by aphids when they eat plants.
Translation: "I'm an intelligent primate who doesn't like being caged up for your amusement."
They must be even more prepared than we originally suspected...
They've hired a translator!
Rocks or feces...hmmmm.
Maybe I'll just stick with chairs.
I'm always surprised when science finds out about something I already knew. Now, I know I probably know things that actually aren't true, but sometimes it's downright shocking that people didn't know something.
> "...researchers observe Chimp drinking water in preparation to spit on humans lurking just outside cage."
C'mon - anyone visiting a zoo has had opportunity to observe such behavior...how is a monkey's ammo bunker such a surprise.
Although I have no basis for this observation, this new, violent behavior is clearly a result of exposure to violent video games.
I blame "Gorillas Gone Wild"
"For a while, zoo keepers tried locking Santino up in the morning so he couldn't collect ammunition for his assaults, but he remained aggressive. They ultimately decided to castrate him in the autumn last year, but will have to wait until the summer to see if that helps."
Guns don't kill people...uh oh!
"It is normal behavior for alpha males to want to influence their surroundings
Now we know why review sites get sued.
Okaaay, first I laughted at the post: WTF, an ape alpha male is upset when he can not control every bit of his sourrundings!
A good friend who past away a few years ago introduced me to some long time friends of his who own many chimps. One thing I was told flat out was, don't get near the cages. They are very good at trying to tempt people closer and never for any good. They will fondle themselves in front of you, throw stuff at you, and even be very violent should it be their wish. The problem is they are very very good at hiding the signs when it serves them. All of their chimps had their incisors (fang teeth) removed. For while they are very cute when young they would shame any unruly teenager when they are of age.
While I got a handshake and even a hug from one of the better behaved I was told that in no uncertain terms he was putting on a show to please them. Alone it would be a whole different story.
They will fondle themselves in front of you, throw stuff at you, and even be very violent should it be their wish
I'll just leave this [esquire.com] here.
the 31-year-old alpha male
Not anymore - according to TFA he was castrated last year...
This is not news. Baboons do this too.
From: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=482576 [google.com]
The Austin Chronicle
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-07-27/cols_smartypants.html [austinchronicle.com]
"Stone-throwing baboons in Saudi Arabia waited three days on the side
of a mountain road to take revenge on a driver who had killed one of
their group.
Al-Riyadh reported on Saturday that the primates laid in wait and
ambushed the driver on the same mountain road in southwest Saudi
Arabia from Mecca to Taif where the baboon had been run down earlier
in the week.
After spotting the car responsible for the death, one of the apes
screamed out a signal to the rest to attack, provoking the frenzied
stone throwing. Although the driver was able to escape, the apes broke
out the windshield of his car.
At least 350,000 baboons live in the Gulf state."
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=004CxB [greenspun.com]
"In Saudi Arabia, a man learned a lesson in baboon gang warfare.
Apparently, earlier in the week the man was driving through a
mountainous road where he ran over a baboon. Thinking nothing of it,
the driver got back in his car and resumed his life... Finally, the
grieving baboons implemented their revenge. They lay hiding on the
side of the exact mountainous road where their beloved pal had been
killed and waited for the driver. When the car was spotted, one of the
baboons screamed out a signal and the others began to bombard the car
with rocks and stones. The driver escaped, sporting newly soiled
underwear and a broken windshield."
Tablet Newspaper: Monkey Love
http://www.tabletnewspaper.com/vol2iss_21/features/monkeylove.htm [tabletnewspaper.com]
"Stone-throwing baboons waited three days for revenge on the side of a
mountain road in Saudi Arabia to take revenge on a motorist who had
killed one of their group. After finally spotting the car responsible
for the death, one of the apes screamed out a signal for the rest to
attack, provoking a frenzied bout of stone throwing. The baboons then
ripped out the windscreen of the car. The driver managed to escape the
attack, which took place on the same stretch of road, between Mecca
and Taif, where the baboon had been run down."
Ananova: Revenge attack by stone-throwing baboons
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/academic/class/16741-s05/www/baboons09122000.pdf [cmu.edu]
"Stone-throwing baboons in Saudi Arabia waited three days on the side
of a mountain road to take revenge on a driver who had killed one of
their group. Al-Riyadh reported on Saturday that the primates laid in
wait and ambushed the driver on the same mountain road in southwest
Saudi Arabia from Mecca to Taif where the baboon had been run down
earlier in the week. After spotting the car responsible for the death,
one of the apes screamed out a signal to the rest to attack, provoking
the frenzied stone throwing. Although the driver was able to escape,
the apes broke out the windshield of his car. At least 350,000 baboons
live in the Gulf state. Who says animals have no emotions? If you can
plot revenge, you must be able to feel anger."
The Jekyl Archives
http://www.jekyl.com/jekyl/arc_2000.htm [jekyl.com]
"Saudi Arabia is particularly baboon prone these days, with tales of
baboons raiding farms, houses, and even schools. But probably the
strangest report was where a troop deliberately wait in ambush.
According to newspaper accounts,
Maybe the keepers should leave a typewriter in there with him and see what develops.
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Police arrest Tarpon Springs shooting suspect | Crime
Tarpon Springs, Florida -- Detectives have arrested a man suspected of shooting a teen during a robbery attempt Saturday night.
Investigators say they received tips 35-year-old Elvin Joel Velez Pacheco was talking about the shooting to others. In addition, a cell phone dropped during the robbery by the suspect was also connected to Pacheco.
READ: Hero teenager takes bullet for friend
The motive in the crime appears to be random armed robbery in order to get cash since the victims did not know the man. Detectives are still trying to locate the gun used in the robbery.
Pacheco was arrested at his Clearwater home Monday evening and charged with Attempted Murder and Attempted Armed Robbery.


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This is really interesting. If it can be made to scale up, it will prevent us falling off the otherwise inevitable energy cliff (due no later than 2012) and the not so inevitable wobal glorming problem.
From today's London Times. For anyone getting concerned with global oil reserve depletion (which should by now be pretty much everyone), the whole article merits your full attention, at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4133668.ece
Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol
Silicon Valley is experimenting with bacteria that have been genetically altered to provide 'renewable petroleum'
Ten years ago I could never have imagined Id be doing this, says Greg Pal, 33, a former software executive, as he squints into the late afternoon Californian sun. I mean, this is essentially agriculture, right? But the people I talk to especially the ones coming out of business school this is the one hot area everyone wants to get into.
He means bugs. To be more precise: the genetic alteration of bugs very, very small ones so that when they feed on agricultural waste such as woodchips or wheat straw, they do something extraordinary. They excrete crude oil.
Unbelievably, this is not science fiction. Mr Pal holds up a small beaker of bug excretion that could, theoretically, be poured into the tank of the giant Lexus SUV next to us. Not that Mr Pal is willing to risk it just yet. He gives it a month before the first vehicle is filled up on what he calls renewable petroleum. After that, he grins, its a brave new world.
Mr Pal is a senior director of LS9, one of several companies in or near Silicon Valley that have spurned traditional high-tech activities such as software and networking and embarked instead on an extraordinary race to make $140-a-barrel oil (£70) from Saudi Arabia obsolete. All of us here everyone in this company and in this industry, are aware of the urgency, Mr Pal says.
Much more at the link provided.
I really hope this is the real deal.


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Many animal shelters provide follow-up assistance after you adopt your cat. Check with your local shelter to see if pet parenting, behavioral training or other classes are offered.read more
Name: Ms.Lady
Age: 2 1/2 Years
Owner: Amanda and Larry
Hometown: Randallstown, MD
Likes: Salami
Dislikes: McDonnalds Chicken Nuggets (?)
Amanda and Larry says:
lady is special because shes beautifull and classy, hence the name Lady. Shes also very loving and attentive.
Cats reach full skeletal development when they are this old:


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Hey..... I got out April 9-12 for a wee trip up to the Superior Hiking Trail in Northern Minnesota.
Met up with 3 different friends from hammockforums.net at different times. First night member beep and I shared a camp. Crossed over with beep, pizza and myself. Then pizza, MrGreen and I shared a camp. What a diversity of backpackers and scenery in the wonderful piney woods.
Some show and tell and ramblings.
As usual .... thankee for checking us out.
All secure in sector seven......
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High Five
David Belbin , Shrewsbury: The junior forward (team-leading 20 points) notched a hat trick to lift Shrewsbury over Hudson, 5-2.
Jackie Denning , Lexington: Denning picked up a hat trick as the Minutemen edged Belmont, 4-2.
Cecily Docktor , Wellesley: The sophomore scored a pair of goals to keep the Raiders undefeated as they surged past Natick, 4-3.
Jordan Down , Lincoln-Sudbury: The senior forward scored all three goals in a 3-2 win over Methuen. He paces the Warriors with 17 goals and eight assists.
Bryan Nelson , St. John's High: The junior defenseman put away a slap shot to earn the Pioneers a 3-3 tie against Arlington Catholic.
Mastrodonato's Top 10 boys' teams
(Records through Sunday, with next game listed)
1. Arlington Catholic (4-1-4); Monday, at Bishop Guertin
2. Arlington (5-2-3); Saturday, at Wilmington
3. Lincoln-Sudbury (7-0-2); Monday, vs. Peabody
4. Medway (5-0-3); Saturday, vs. Westwood
5. Marlborough (7-2); Saturday, vs. Norwell
6. Medfield (9-1); Saturday, at Ashland
7. Groton-Dunstable Regional (7-1-1); Saturday, vs. Algonquin
8. St. John's High (3-6-3); Thursday, at St. Peter Marian
9. Natick (4-6-1); Saturday, vs. Walpole
10. Shrewsbury (7-1-1); Saturday, vs. Longmeadow
Mastrodonato's Top 10 girls' teams
1. Arlington Catholic (7-1-1); Monday, at Arlington
2. Lexington (5-2-1); Saturday, vs. Watertown/Melrose
3. Acton-Boxborough Regional (5-3); Saturday, at Concord-Carlisle
4. Wellesley (7-0-1); Saturday, at Dedham
5. Lincoln-Sudbury (7-2); Thursday, at Westford
6. Arlington (5-4); Monday, vs. Arlington Catholic
7. Shrewsbury (4-2); Sunday, vs. Wakefield
8. Medfield (4-3-3); Saturday, vs. King Philip
9. Watertown/Melrose (4-3-1); Saturday, at Lexington
10. Medway/Ashland (6-3-1); Saturday, at Peabody/Lynnfield
Game of the week:
Arlington Catholic girls at Arlington, Monday, 5 p.m., Ed Burns Arena: Junior goalie Megan Messuri leads the Cougars, who have allowed 10 goals in nine games, against the defensive artisan Hannah Wright and the Spy Ponders.
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RB CJ Fuller of Easley has his spring football practice coming up and soon after that is over, he plans to sit down and made his college decision. He has offers from Clemson, North Carolina and NC State. He attended Clemson's spring game and heard some things from Dabo Swinney and company that pushed the Tigers even higher on his list. "If I came there, I could be playing running back," Fuller said he was told. "I can do a lot in their offense. They told me to stay focused and keep working hard." Fuller said Clemson is his favorite and has a "pretty big lead" over NC State. He added that Tennessee and Louisville are also showing serious interest.
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"Routine scheduled maintenance" is about to hit the PlayStation Network, making it unavailable for users for about thirteen hours today. From approximately 8AM to 9PM PST (11AM to 12AM EST), the following PSN services will be unavailable: PlayStation Store, PlayStation Network Account Management & Registration, and PlayStation Home. In addition, Music Unlimited and Video Unlimited services will be unavailable. You will also be unable to sign in to the PlayStation Network on the web, either.
The system-wide maintenance period will mean that gamers will be unable to play online... unless they're already signed into the PSN before the maintenance period begins. "Users who are already signed into their account on PlayStation Network before the start of the maintenance should be able to stay signed in to their online session," the PlayStation.Blog notes. "But will not be able to access any of the services listed above. Users who attempt to sign-in to their PlayStation Network account after the start of the maintenance may be presented with the site maintenance notification page if they haven't signed in recently."
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Klaus Wowereit, Berlin's mayor since 2001, has watched his city become one of world's coolest artistic meccas. But under his guidance, the city has devolved into a backward-looking architectural wasteland in which urban planning only favors the rich.
In an era when other cities have been zapping themselves awake with shock architecture, Berlin has been dreaming of rebuilding the old Baroque city palace and embracing a retro architecture vaguely evocative of the imperial era under the Kaiser. This anti-modern, indifferent view of aesthetics has ruled the day. Nevertheless, the city has become a mecca for several generations of artists, nightlife revelers and optimists from around the world.
Indeed, it's a paradox: Berlin, which is internationally recognized as one of the hottest cities of the 21st century, remains intellectually and architecturally waist-deep in the 19th century.
This contradiction has given rise to a new era that is the direct result of Wowereit's policies during his nearly 12 years at the helm of the city -- an era that has been dominated by key questions about the future of the city, yet without any concrete answers from the mayor's office.


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Outdoor Research Advanced Bivy
I used this very often for three years and then infrequently…
Source: bought it new
Price Paid: 300 usd
I used this very often for three years and then infrequently for the next eight years. It worked great.
- Durable
- Waterproof and breathable
- Not confining
- Weight
Bivy use has its pros and cons, but I will leave all that to the experts and just tell what I know about this product.
I used this with a poncho tarp as my primary shelter for three years of hard use. It was great. The only issue I had was condensation in temps below 20 F degrees in the Southeast. I took my Western Mountaineering Alpinlite down to 9 degrees with this bivy and, it was cold, but doable. I think the bivy added 10 degrees to the bag rating.
The floor of this bivy is heavy duty. I never had any fear of it leaking. I even camped in the middle of the trail once and rain water gushed under me all night, but I remained dry.
I slept in the rain and snow with no tarp over me many times with no issues. It kept the wind at bay on some stormy nights.
Having a shelter footprint the size of your body is really nice.
Easy entry and exit. Zippers are top knotch and easy to operate. The foot zip can stay open in the rain as long as splahing from ground water is not an issue. The hood zipper can also remain partially open in heavy downpours as long as ground splash is controlled.
I used this under a Golite poncho for the most part. The combo made a light and bombproof shelter.
After many years of use I sent it back to OR to see if they could repair the inner coating on the floor. They could not, but graciously offered to refund the current price or replace it if I wished. I figured I got my use out of it, but that kind of warranty is rare.
This bivy is a 3-layer JGI 1.1 oz. Gore-Tex fabric…
Design: bivy sack
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: Relatively easy.
Weight: 31 ounces
Price Paid: $250 +/-
This bivy is a 3-layer JGI 1.1 oz. Gore-Tex fabric upper section for maximum vapor transport, 1.7 oz. taffeta, complete with bombproof Hydroseal-200 coated floors, and every seam completely taped with Gore-Seam tape for total waterproofness.
Length = 90 inches,
Width at Shoulders = 25 inches,
Foot Width = 21 inches,
Pole Height = 19 inches.
Weight 31 ounces.
The sack is MADE IN U.S.A.
The "go lighter bug" has bitten me. (Not to the extent that my five day pack weighs sub 14 pounds, but it has bitten me nonetheless.) I read magazine articles, surfed the web, browsed bookshelves, talked to experienced backpacker and mountaineering friends and trailmates, and decided that my stuff weighed too much to lug most of the time through the Rockies. I let it sink in for about a year. Earlier in the season I gathered my gear, stood over it, and began to ponder which of my necessary, recommended, and too often expensive gear was in direct conflict with my quest to go lighter.
My TFN tent, weighing in at approximately six and a half pounds packed, stuck out immediately. It's a great tent, don't get me wrong. It has served me well, and still will on occasion no doubt. Especially when my wife ventures out with me. It is just that I couldn't help but think that I could replace it with a lighter alternative, saving at least a couple of pounds.
So I began researching smaller, lighter tents. I scaled back and sized down, shaving ounces here and there. There are some great lightweight tent options out there, but I though as long as I'm looking into lightweight tents, I should look into the lightest weight shelters available. Which eventually brought me to bivy sacks. Looking at biviy sacks, I eventually found the OR Advanced Bivy. Actually, it found me first, thanks to a guy on a trail earlier in the Rockies. He was nestled between two boulders just off the trail, in a place no tent could have hoped to have fit. I stopped, chatted, then moved further along in search of a local better suited for pitching my shelter. I made a mental note to check into it after the trip.
I checked. I asked. I borrowed. I considered the weight savings: a whopping 70 percent! (Not to mention the space savings. The sack takes up little space in my pack, and its generously sized stuff sack allows for fast stuffing.) I couldn't move off of that fact. My 6.5 lbs TNF tent or a 1.9 lbs bivy? Easy! The 1.9 lbs bivy. I was hooked. (The Advanced Bivy weighs 1.5 lbs without poles and bug net, incidentally, there are lighter sacks out there. I compared features and decided that a few ounces of weight was worth the clamshell. See next paragraph.)
The OR Advanced Bivy is distinquished from other bivies on the market by its clever clamshell opening. This opening is achieved by using two poles, and allowes the top (including the bug net) to range from closed to approximately 90 degrees. Ever used a bivy that lays on your face or barely above it? I have. Ugh. Never again. Nice evening? Open her all the way up and stare at the stars. Storming out? Close her up and stay dry. WARNING: You should never close a bivy all the way. Always leave a couple of inches open to promote air flow. The design allows for this. You will still remain dry. "Breathable" is a relative term, after all.
(I had my wife hose me down in my backyard. I know I'll never encounter rain like that in the mountains. I zipped up, left a few inches open, and stayed dry. Untill she shoved the hose in the opening, but that's not exactly a design flaw. Trust me, I got her back.)
As with any bivy sack, space is limited, and about the only thing that you can do in it is sleep. I'm 6 feet tall and weight about 195 pounds. I can fit a sleeping pad, a four season bag, and a few necessities inside and sleep comfortably. Tossers and turners probably will not claim the same. Changing clothes can be tricky. Practice before your first use. Actually, practice before you buy, if you can. A friend of mine loves the concept, but hates the reality. It isn't for everyone. If more space is something you crave, or "need," then step up in weight and size to a one man tent. You heard it here: Claustrophobes and clumsy folk beware!
(Actually, I find that if I string a tarp or poncho over my head things are quite comfortable, should I need a more "tent like" experience.)
OR gear has a reputation of being bombproof. OR bivies, and the Advanced Bivy in particular, have been around for years, and I have yet to have heard or read about one wearing out. For that matter I haven't heard mention of any of their gear wearing out in less than reasonable timelines.
Setup is easy. You simply roll it out, slide in the poles, and add your pad, bag, and body. The pad is held in place by two velcro straps inside. A nice touch, but I'm not convinced that they are necessary. You should be done in at least half of the time it takes to set up the average free standing tent.
The drawbacks? They're expensive. (Expense is relative. What's technical rainwear cost these days?) Space is limited, as I've already mentioned. Your gear, but for a few small essentials, will remain outside. You wouldn't want to weather a lengthy storm in one. (A properly strung tarp largely mitigates the last two, imo.)
So, if you have been thinking about saving the significant space and weight that a bivy sack affords, and aren't detered by needing more space, place the OR Advanced Bivy on your short list of possible purchases.
This is a very well constructed bivy. Lightweight…
Source: bought it new
Price Paid: Roughly $300
This is a very well constructed bivy. Lightweight and when the cover is kept open there is no condensation. I used this bivy on the Northville-Placid Trail in the Adirondacks. Excellent protection.
- Weight and protection from the elements
- The bad weather closure doesn't stay open
- Used a clip to make it work
Overall, if you're interested in buying a bivy, I'd spend the money and get an Advanced Bivy from Outdoor Research.
Welcome to Trailspace, Robert. Can you tell us more about your bivvy and what you like about it?
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Sturdy and spacious (for a bivy). I've used this bivy…
Source: bought it new
Sturdy and spacious (for a bivy).
- Bombproof materials
- Spacious headroom
- Stealthy color
- Pocket storage
- High price
- Top hoop won't stay propped
- Heavy for a bivy
I've used this bivy while solo hiking and camping and love its stealth properties. I wouldn't buy a bright yellow or fluorescent orange bivy, because I want to be able to fly under the radar, and this bivy's subdued color helps me do that.
I love the little storage pocket, which is a great way to stash my glasses. If you're at all concerned that a bivy might be too claustrophobic of an experience for you, this bivy is a great way to put those fears to rest. There's plenty of headroom, due to the two-pole setup at the head.
Like most things in life, there's a tradeoff: the two-pole system takes a few extra minutes of time to set up (not a problem in good weather, but aggravating in the rain), and it adds to the weight and price of the bivy.
My chief complaint about the two-pole system is that the upper pole doesn't stay propped open when you want it to. This bivy excels in bad weather, when you don't want the upper pole propped open, but it can be distracting on nice nights, when you want fresh air and stars, but need the bug protection that the mosquito netting provides.
All this said, I love this bivy and recommend it for people who are uncertain that a bivy is the right way to go.
I just sent my old Advanced Bivy back for warranty…
Design: bivy bag
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: 60 seconds blindfolded
Weight: 39 ounces
Price Paid: warranty
I just sent my old Advanced Bivy back for warranty because the seam tape had come loose around the base of the poles. Without comment, they sent me a brand new one... WHICH IS 10 OUNCES HEAVIER! The new spec weight (April 2008) is 39 ounces, not the 28 ounces of my old one and the even lighter weight mentioned in other reviews.
There are now several stiffeners around the zipper opening, and a new foot zipper, but the increase in weight means you are in the range of one-man tents now. Bummer. I loved my old bivy, and used it year-round for quite a while. Outdoor Research's warranty can't be beat, but the replacement isn't really in the same category as the original.
Compared to other bivy sacks on the market, it is…
Design: Bivy Sac
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: Difficult at Night
Weight: 1lb 7oz
Price Paid: Pro Deal
Compared to other bivy sacks on the market, it is a truly best in class (this review is for the '01 Advanced Bivy edition). The Pro's and Con's are as follows:
Does show a little wear after 6 years and roughly 100 nights. Simple abrasion marks on the outer floor are visible, but have shown to have no effect to the overall performance. My concern relates mainly to the internal bug net zipper. Overtime it has "burned" itself out.
I am a firm believer that nothing is waterproof so it was no surprise that during a torrential rain storm in Virginia's Jefferson NF that I ended up with a damp sleeping bag near the footbox. Also, condensation is apparent when used outside of the dry air of the Southwest.
At its peak height there is plenty of room to shuffle around and stave off the effects of claustrophobia and keep some sense of sanity. There are also three positions that you can set the poles at to keep the flow of air moving as well as protect yourself from the elements.
It is light enough to bring on day hikes in hostile terrain (ie. Tetons, Winds or Alps) and with it weighing in under 2 lbs it is definitely more preferable to pack than a two man tent.
Bug Net
I think the bug net is a great idea, but it always seems to get in the way as I am entering and exiting.
Of the 100 or so times I have used my bivy, I have set it up completely about 10 - 15 times. The poles can get confusing at times (and remember, there are only 2 of them) and trying to find the sleeves to slide them through at night is almost impossible. With a little practice it gets easier, but when you are exposed on a col with a storm barreling down - sliding those plastic poles through those tight sleeves is quite daunting.
I traded my tent in years ago for the simplicity and no frills aspects of a bivy and thanks to the Advanced Bivy, I may never look back.
I've used this bivy for eight years, probably spent…
Design: body bag
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: one handed blind
Weight: 2 lbs
Price Paid: $179 (in 1995)
I've used this bivy for eight years, probably spent at least 130 nights in it. It is a testament to the design that OR has not really changed anything on this sack since it came out in the early '90s. I've not ever had to repair it. It's kept my down bag dry in 2-day downpours and warm in the snow. Condensation isn't a problem if vented properly. I usually use a 4'x8' tarp over the head area. I can't say enough about this sack. If mine ever wears out I will buy another one even though the price has gone up considerably.
Specifications: Length: 90 in./229 cm Pole height:…
Design: four season waterproof bivy sack shelter
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: Simple and quick
Weight: 31 oz
Price Paid: $270-$300
Length: 90 in./229 cm
Pole height: 19 in./48 cm
Width at shoulder: 25 in./64 cm
Max. shoulder circumference: 78 in./198 cm
Width at foot: 21 in./53 cm
Max. foot circumference: 56 in./142 cm
Weight: 1 lbs. 15 oz. / 880 g complete;
1 lb. 6 oz. / 625 g without poles & netting
Delrin overhead pole
3-layer, 1.1-oz. Ripstop Gore-Tex® upper
Fully taped seams
Guy line loops
Large no-see-um netting section, removable
Sleeping pad straps on floor (patent # 5,941,264)
The Outdoor Research Advanced Bivy Sack holds up to all weather conditions (in the mid east). I've used it in the dead of winter in the Appalachian trails as well as the summer. It is 100 percent waterproof and windproof. It is lightweight and takes up a minimal amount of space in your pack. It comes with two poles that snap into the sack for an overhead awning and a pole for the bottom. This opens up the front of the sack allowing for more shoulder and head space. Although, the sack tapers down to the feet and it gets quite tight. It has good ventilation if you keep the hood open. It you shut the hood you will get some condensation, which is the only drawback. It is a tight squeeze, I am 5'10" and weigh 150lbs and I had just enough room. There isn't much space for tossing and turning. Although you can fit in a full length sleeping bag and it even has straps for your sleeping pad. It's difficult to get in and out of, but that will be the case with any bivy sack. It offers great protection from the snow, wind and rain. This is the tent to buy for solo nights and extreme weather conditions. Although it's quite expensive, the quality and craftsmanship is excellent.
I have to throw my bit in here... I love this Gore-Tec…
Design: Free Standing
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: Very ez on the 2nd time
Weight: mine is 1 lb. 3 ozs.
Price Paid: $320
I have to throw my bit in here...
I love this Gore-Tec Sac. I've had it over a year. Camped out in all types of weather. It's no fun changing clothes in it, but you can wait out a helava storm. (can be guyed out and staked.)
Cut the velcro, the bottom one. It is supposed to hold your pad, mine did no good. Just added weight and trouble. Also, I don't carry the bug screen most of the year. Sometimes I don't carry the long pole either and I have trimmed a few other "extras" off it.
It can be set up in about 2 min. after you learn one pole is longer than the other. Throw pad in, throw bag in, climb in and pull pack in. In cold weather I cook with one arm outside me in my bag and sac.
Four things got me to this 'tent'
1. Weight, try to find a better, lighter shelter.
2. Space, no not alot of it inside, but I like not having anything set on my face and I've got room for a few needed things. (like my 2 day pack that has 4 days in it.)
3. Bombporof, I've never had a leak or condensation. (Tip: always leave the zipper open 3" for vent.)
4. Size, less than 2' at the tallest peak and skinny, puts up anywhere.
~For all this I did have to give up my right arm. The price is no joke. Test it, try it, get in, get out, (it takes gettin' used to.) pack it, unpack it. You can't sit up in it, you can roll over in it.
Find out what YOU think BEFORE YOU give up you right arm or first born.~
I borrowed an OR Advanced Bivy from a friend for two…
Design: Bivvy Bag
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: 9 on a scale of 1 to 10
Weight: 2 lbs.
Price Paid: $220
I borrowed an OR Advanced Bivy from a friend for two separate trips. The first trip was an eye opener. I thought the bag was not so easy to set up: the poles are not shock corded, I didn't know which pole went where, and the bug screen wasn't zipped in.
After I figured out the poles and bug screen, I shimmied into the bag, and spent the night waking up to find the "clamshell" opening had fully closed, leaving me without some fresh air getting in the bag.
The second use was easier as far as set up, but again, the opening kept closing up, leaving me with no fresh air.
In short-I don't like the design because the top keeps closing up on me, and I didn't care to shimmy down into the sack every time I had to get up after drinking too much tea before going to sleep.
I'm glad I didn't buy the OR. I like the design of the Integral Designs bivy bags--zipper on the side, opening above the head instead of at the end of the bag.
I've used this bivy sac for about four years (when…
Design: Bivy Sac
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: 5 on a scale 1 - 10
Weight: Less than 2 lbs
Price Paid: about $250
I've used this bivy sac for about four years (when they first became available) about 5-10 nights/year.
Setup: The hoop poles are difficult to snap in place with cold hands. The pole sleeve seams have separated (I've had to resew them).
Water shedding qualities: The gore-tex top half works well. The "coated nylon" basin (bottom half) leaks badly due to the coating rubbing off when encountering friction from sleeping pad, flashlight, or even simply being stuffed. This coating is definately inferior material -- you folks that use this bivy for a couple of seasons will find out like I did.
Miscellaneous: When zipped up inside using the mosquito netting, the zipper can only be accessed from the OUTSIDE. This engineering oversight makes getting out a pain. This sounds picky, but I guess paying $250 for a bivy sac should entitle me to near perfection.
Would I buy another?: Why should I have to? I'm sending this one back and I'll find out whether OR stands behind their products. If not, the Bibler Todd-Tex bivy seems like a good investment...
First of all, I din't pay full price, I bought it…
Design: 3 Season Bivy Sack
Sleeps: 1
Ease of Setup: Easy to Moderately Difficult
Weight: 1 lb. 10 ozs.
Price Paid: $245
First of all, I din't pay full price, I bought it at a "Gear Grab." I looked for this model in particular because a couple of other bivy sacks I had tried rested on my face at night, which I couldn't stand! The OR Advanced Bivy is super light, packs very easy, and sets up with little difficulty. The only set up problem involves remembering which of the two poles goes in which position. Once that mystery is solved (it does come with directions, but hey, I'm male!) it is very easy to get in and out of.
One of the features I like is the straps in the sack that hold your mattress in place. Also, in reference to the pole set issue, it allows for, depending on your preference and the weather, for the opening to be left fully or partially open, with a net, or can be closed fully. One problem, not unique to this bivy sack, is that in the fully closed position, condensation does occur, fairly heavily.
Other than that, I've used this for anywher from solo summer overnighters, to winter snow camping, and it has worked very well.
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Residents of a quiet Kangaroo Flat cul-de-sac say they have had enough of their street being used as a makeshift pick-up zone for a neighbouring primary school.
Since Kangaroo Flat Primary School was rebuilt, a rear entrance backing onto Freeman Drive and Klim Court has been used by parents waiting to pick up their kids from school.
At least 20 cars prop on the nature strips of the quiet, narrow residential street between 2.30 and 3pm. There is no car parking.
Nick Burnside was one of several local residents seeing red over the traffic jam.
"There's people parking across driveways and blocking access to the street," he said.
"I have been talking to school and council for the past 12 months but nothing seems to be getting done about."
School principal Heather Odgers said she had been made aware of residents' concerns.
"We are working proactively with our community and the City of Greater Bendigo," she said.
"The entrance to the school has always been an entrance, it has not been recently opened. "Schools are always busy places at pick up and drop off times, our school is fortunate to have a number of entry and exit points to reduce congestion."
After the Bendigo Advertiser raised residents' concerns with the City of Greater Bendigo yesterday, parking inspectors where seen patrolling the area in the afternoon.
A council officer said the inspectors had visited last week after a complaint was made and were following up their initial visit.
"We have a number of schools to attend to so we went to check out what is going on," the officer said.
He said inspectors had issued a number of warnings and asked drivers politely to move off the nature strips.
"We are seeking people's co-operation not to block driveways or park on nature strips," he said.
The officer admitted there was a problem because the street was so narrow that if parents parked on the road they would block the street.
"It's difficult in those smaller streets, they probably aren't built for this kind of traffic," he said.
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General manager Ben Cherington has been hinting for weeks that the Red Sox were lukewarm to the idea of bringing back captain Jason Varitek for another season.
The door closed a little tighter yesterday when the Sox signed veteran catcher Kelly Shoppach to a one-year contract worth $1.35 million.
"I'm excited to be going back to Boston,'' Shoppach posted on his Twitter account.
Shoppach, 31, was drafted by the Red Sox in 2001 and made his major league debut with the team in 2005. Shoppach was traded to Cleveland in 2006, part of the deal that returned Coco Crisp.
Shoppach spent four seasons with the Indians before being traded to Tampa Bay. He became a free agent after this season.
Shoppach, a career .224 hitter, has regressed at the plate in recent seasons. He hit .176 last season and over the last three seasons is hitting .197 with a .672 OPS.
Varitek hit .221 last season with a .723 OPS. The 39-year-old hit .176 with a .649 OPS after the All-Star break, however. Now, with Shoppach signed to a guaranteed contract, there is little chance that Varitek returns.
"At a loss for words,'' wrote Varitek's new wife, Catherine, on Twitter.
Varitek said after the season he wanted to return to the Red Sox for a 16th year. Other teams might have interest in Varitek as a backup.
Shoppach threw out 18 of 44 base stealers last season, a sterling 41 percent. Opponents were 73 of 85 against Varitek.
Shoppach is a career .274/.373/.536 hitter against lefthanders in his career, which would make him a good backup to Jarrod Saltalamacchia, who is better hitter against righthanders.
Cherington said last month the team planned to give rookie catcher Ryan Lavarnway an opportunity to make the team out of spring training but could add an experienced catcher to compete with him for that spot.
Lavarnway has only 61 games and 264 at-bats in Triple A. The addition of Shoppach gives the Red Sox the option of having Lavarnway start next season in the minors.
Josh Beckett will not likely welcome this roster shift. Varitek has been his personal catcher for several seasons and caught all but two of his 30 starts in 2011. But the Red Sox seem less inclined to cater to the players following a historic September collapse and two consecutive third-place finishes.
The departure of Varitek would leave the Red Sox without a captain. New manager Bobby Valentine said last week that his inclination would be to go without a captain, which is the case with most teams.
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Imagine The Lord of the Rings where all the Hobbits had Brooklyn accents.
Other enough to be unusual but still understandable but evoking an entirely different genre (mafia crime drama).
Remember Rome [imdb.com]. They used accents from all over the place (mostly UK variants it has to be said) to give a feeling of being different, but still understandable. It worked really well.
British accents tend to used for villains too... which could be seen as insulting... but actually is quite flattering when you think about it. Really scary villains are intelligent... really intelligent... and Americans associate British accents with being smart (wrongly, but there it is).
As a Russian, I can tell you that I vastly prefer American movies about Russians where they all speak English (and I guess at that point they have to use accents to make it sound "foreign") over those where they actually try to put Russian in there - because I haven't seen a single movie where it wasn't hilariously wrong in both accent and sentence structure.
Remember that scene in "Red Dawn" where a Soviet soldier tries to read the sign (in English) at the national park, has to make most of it up because of his poor command of the language, which results in a hilarious "translation"? Well, that scene is doubly hilarious if you're a Russian, because his actual speech is about as close to the English subtitles, as the subtitles themselves are to what's on the sign...
Remember Rome [imdb.com]. They used accents from all over the place (mostly UK variants it has to be said) to give a feeling of being different, but still understandable. It worked really well.
In the Eagle [2011], I found that the Romans with American accents was an instant immersion killer. I cannot explain why considering giving them English accents should be just as wrong. I guess its something we have grown used to and now expect. Perhaps Romans should have regional Italian accents. Would Italian accents make for better or worse Romans? On a side note it was nice to hear Gaelic in a film even if it was largely Irish Gaelic used.
Certain accents go well with certain types of films. Unleas
Imagine Romeo & Juliet set in NYC with singing & dancing street gangs....oh, wait
Someone out West may Side with you on that Story.
Imagine The Lord of the Rings where all the Hobbits had Brooklyn accents.
Fah gedda boudit [youtube.com]
More like this, probably [youtube.com]
As I said in an earlier comment, Tolkien was a linguist and as such was extraordinarily sensitive to linguistic nuances like accent and the effect of social class on speech. If you render the common tongue as English, and keep in mind the history and social status of the various characters, choosing an accent becomes pretty obvious.
Actually if you wanted to Americanize LOTR, the Hobbits would have Southern accents (country bumpkins), the Rohirrim Texan accents (close to the Hobbits, still country but a little more refined), and the Gondorians a neutral General American/ Received Pronunciation accent (educated middle/upper-class).
I'd give the Elves a French accent (refined and a little snooty) when speaking the Common Tongue. Quenya played the role of Latin in Middle Earth (dead language used for formal purposes), and Sindarin was an everyday language evolved from it, so a Romance language would be the closest social analog to it. To an American listener a French accent would best convey the extreme refinement and cultured history (not to mention snobbishness) of the Elves. If you wanted to get even more specific I'd give Elrond and the Rivendell elves a French Canadian accent and the Galadhrim a Parisian accent. Linguistically, a Welsh accent would be most appropriate, as Sindarin was patterned after Welsh, but it just doesn't have the same social/class implications that French does.
If anyone had a Brooklyn accent, it would be a Dwarf. Tolkien explicitly equated the Dwarves with the Jews, and based Khuzdul on Hebrew... so a Brooklyn accent would be extremely appropriate for working-class Dwarves like Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur. Dwarvish nobility like Gimli and Thorin would have a milder, upper-class Jewish accent.
If anyone had a Brooklyn accent, it would be a Dwarf. Tolkien explicitly equated the Dwarves with the Jews, and based Khuzdul on Hebrew... so a Brooklyn accent would be extremely appropriate for working-class Dwarves like Bifur, Bofur, and Bombur. Dwarvish nobility like Gimli and Thorin would have a milder, upper-class Jewish accent.
So, for real authenticity, Dwarvish should be Yiddish? The only problem with that is that Yiddish has been a comic language in Western pop language for so long (thanks to decades of awesome Jewish-American comedians) that it would reduce the Dwarves to comic relief.
Oh, wait, we're talking about the LOTR movies, where the dwarves WERE reduced to comic relief. Right. Carry on.
Here's another thought: Think about Vikings specifically. Most often, they are portrayed with either English or Scottish accents (usually the more brutish characters get Scottish) and occasionally Californian (particularly children or teens). Why?
Please take a moment, and imagine Mighty Thor making his presence known in a bouncing, Swedish lilt. Not one that necessarily does the Swedes justice (many speak English in a very near British accent), but something more like the Swedish Chef from The Muppet Sh
I dare you to watch Hrafninn flýgur (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087432/) then come back and say that Vikings in movies can't speak anything but English or Scottish.
But British accents have undergone enormous amounts of mutation as well. In some ways, they have made more changes than American English since Victorian times.
So, while Americans associate a British accent with what should be appropriate for medieval times, because they're living where the language was spoken during medieval times, the accent being used is still anachronistic, and just as inappropriate as a Jersey accent.
Yes, but why does it have to be a native English-speaker's accent at all?
The most logical choice would actually be a French accent, as that was a very commonly understood language even in Britain, where the Norman French-speakers took over. Modern French is different than medieval French, of course, but so is English, and if we're making it English anyways, just adding a French accent will do.
I have to agree with this article, I've always assumed it was just the American preconception of "old worlde". Different enough to be remote but still in the same language.
This is exactly why Tolkien chose to render Rohirric as Old English -- Rohirric had roughly the same old-but-understandable relationship to Westron (common speech) as Old English has to Modern English. (Incidentally, this creates one of the biggest challenges in translating LotR to other languages)
Tolkien was a linguist above all else, and as such was incredibly sensitive to linguistic nuances, something that's lost on most casual readers. Nevertheless, his work has had a huge influence on modern fantasy and sci-fi. Writers (consciously or unconsciously) mimic elements of Tolkien's style without necessarily understanding why he did it that way.
Old English? Yeah, I liked it when Theoden-king stood up and said "Hwæt, we gardena in geardagum, eodcyninga rym gefrunon, hu ða æelingas ellen fremedon!"
Rohirric had roughly the same old-but-understandable relationship to Westron (common speech) as Old English has to Modern English.
Huh? Old English is not even vaguely understandable - I don't even recognise most of the letters. I thought to myself that reading Beowulf in it's original format would be interesting. It would be, but I'd need to put serious time into learning a new language.
Have you ever tried to read Chaucer? That's Middle English. As for Old English - trust me you (nor I) stand a chance! Modern English dialects are much closer together than what might have be termed dialects back then but there is still a huge difference in accents and many terms and words even today across regions. Then throw in Cumbric, Kentish and many other old languages into the mix. Cumbric was still in sporadic use in the 20th C. That's just in England. Then you have Welsh, Irish and Scots with all the same complexities that exist and existed in England with dialects and probably outright different languages in different regions and ages.
The UK and Eire are a small area landwise but a fair diversity in culture still remains - and long may it continue (IMNSHO).
Have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaucer [wikipedia.org] there's some samples from his writings with translations. I'm a native en_GB speaker and I find it tough going.
Knowing modern German would be more useful than English for trying to make anythuing out in Old English.
So... the New Zealander accents in the LotR movies are "old[e] worlde"? The casting team actually did a very good job of regionalizing accents, considering the constraints of comprehensibility, without following the general trend; but emulating Tolkien's lead.
When I read The Hobbit to my son, I followed that same lead, used a range of Scots accents for each of the dwarves (Edinburgh for the "family tree" dwarves, Glaswegian for the rank & file, and one or two with Highland and Island accents); a Welsh lilt for Gandalf; for the Lakelanders, Brummie in the main, but Kentish for those with Dalish heritage; Cockney for the Goblins and Wargs, but Essex for the Goblin King; Antipodean-Finnish Rivendellers and Welsh Greenwooders. Beorn was just loud like Brian Blessed (so, Welsh). Hobbits were Little Englanders, but more Northern, because I'm a Tyke, myself.
I didn't use American accents because I can't sustain them yet; but I used them in Charlotte's Web. Watership Down is just like my Hobbit characterizations, but the rabbits from the Warren of the Snares are Kentish; and El-ahrairah is a Chicago gangster (see? I'm getting better). My point is you don't have to be very talented to use a range of accents.
What were we talking about again? Oh yeah, screen actors. They're not very talented at voice acting. That would be voice actors, dammit.
I think it started to a large extent with Star Wars. George Lucas wanted the "Rebels" to sound American and the "Empire" to sound British, to evoke the "Revolutionary" feel of the American Revolution.
Many other movies have used this (Pirates of the Caribbean, for instance).
Also, don't forget that George was completely vilified for making some characters sound Asian [wikia.com] and Jamaican [blogspot.com] in the Prequels.
*Arguably, this one could go either way.
(Doctor Who and grammar. We all need our little obsessions.)
I've heard some of those British shows. I find it easier to understand Spanish. And I don't even SPEAK Spanish.
I know you're making a joke, but my preschooler's teacher (English but in New Mexico) was going to visit her family and was asked whether or not they spoke English in England... When she told me that my response was that they may know a version of English, but they certainly don't speak American. I think I'll go smoke a fag and hit the loo. Bloody hell. Bullocks.
Do we even need to be asking such an obvious question? British is the foreign language that Americans are most likely to understand...
Perhaps the more obvious question is why do you consider "British" a foreign language? Or one that Americans need to "understand"?
Do we even need to be asking such an obvious question? British is the foreign language that Americans are most likely to understand...
Perhaps the more obvious question is why do you consider "British" a foreign language? Or one that Americans need to "understand"?
As a Brit living in New York I find that alot of people find it very difficult to understand me (especially people with South American or Chinese descent), and even my girlfriend (native New Yorker) often has difficulty. She said that for the first 2 months after we met she understood about 20% of what I said. My accent is pretty standard for southern England and should therefore be pretty easy to understand. I often get the feeling that British English really is a foreign language.
It helps if you unclench your jaw when you speak.
It helps if you unclench your jaw when you speak.
So I should mimic 'Cletus the slack-jawed yokel' [wikia.com]?
For Americans, I would assume it's because we associate fantasy with the Old World because that's where most of our myths and legends originate. And they have castles. And among the Old World, England is our closest tie (as well as speaking the same language). The majority of fantasy settings are basically just medieval-Europe-plus-wizards-and-dragons even if a location isn't given (or it takes place on another world)
Of course the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit use British accents -- they're written by an English author and are fundamentally ABOUT England (a.k.a. the Shire).
One does not merely walk into Parliament.
However, one can try to merely tunnel under Parliament with a good bit of gunpowder...
That was my immediate response to this. Lord of the Rings is a book written by a British author, inspired by old English (i.e. Celtic/Norse/Germanic) mythology, set in a world that is based on England. Why would you not have English accents? It's not quite as bad as asking, "Why do do the characters in 'Gone With the Wind' seem like they're from the American South?" but it's close.
I'm not as familiar with Game of Thrones, but I assume it's based on similar stuff. Tolkien is the grand-daddy of a lot of
whilst there is a good analogy between the little British people (hobbits) kicking the stuff out of the evil empire of Sauron (Hitler), the entire world is based around anglo-saxon myths, so technically it includes Britain, and the northern Germanic and Scandinavian countries.
Dwarves come from the north part of Middle Earth, so it's natural they got Scottish accents, but they could so easily have been Norwegian instead.
The shire, BTW, is Warwickshire (that's wa-rick-shire), there's still a 'tolkien trail' [telegraph.co.uk] a
It's a question of cultural depth - America is largely a cultural offshoot of the UK. So when you want a voice for a 'centuries old' sort of tale, you go British. Conversely, the American accent has an association with Modern.
That's what I was thinking - England is old school compared to the US. And for a large part, big budget movies are tailored for American audiences and the rest of the world is a secondary market that will contribute any way.
For example, last time I was in Europe I stayed with my father in Vienna - His apartment was a couple of hundred years older than the United States. My duplex in the US is ancient because it was built all the way back in the 50's.
Dragons and wizards are from a long time ago - English.
Most fantasy settings are based in medieval times, and America didn't have English, let alone feudalism and other aspects common in fantasy novels. British accents just fit the real world time period we associate with fantasy settings.
Any why are Dwarves always Scottish?
Have you ever *heard* a Scottish person talk? C'mon.
Karen Gillan = sexiest dwarf ever!
Of course another main reason is that general fantasy is most closely linked with the European medieval period. In that period English speakers were generally going to be speaking with an accent from Great Britain. It would strike us as strange to hear someone in a historical medieval period using a NJ accent for much the same reason that it does in fantasy.
I was going to add that if you consider using other dialects [wikipedia.org] or accents [wikipedia.org] for [wikipedia.org] villains, you're a racist. [salon.com]
It might have something to do with the fact that the fictional country Game of Thrones is set in (at least in the TV show, not very subtly either) is based off of England. The politics and geography bears an extremely striking resemblance.
And Tolkien (British) created the Shire in The Hobbit and LotR based off British countryside. Fantasy, in particular, is almost universally set in a Middle-Age-England-type setting and is often based heavily off of their mythology. It almost wouldn't make sense not to have a British accent. Don't blame the Americans: the British were doing that a long time before Americans were (hell, before America was even a colony). And of course Narnia (by C.S. Lewis, British) is actually set partly in England as is Harry Potter (again, a British writer).
Filmmakers should consider looking at speech accents from other areas of the world to create more interesting dialects.
It's dangerous thinking such as that which lead to the atrocity known as Jar Jar Binks. In all seriousness, look at the accents of Watto, Yoda, the head honchos of the Trade Federation, Emperor Palpatine, Admiral Ackbar, Jango Fett, etc.
And the use of those accents led to accusations of ethnic stereotyping. It's a very dangerous path to traverse in our hypersensitive society and I don't blame filmmakers from avoiding the subject altogether.
I'm not an advertising exec, but I bet you there is some study some where that Americans subconsciously associate British accents with greater trustworthiness and/ or authority
As for fantasy worlds: I disagree, the fantasy worlds cited are specifically medieval in quality, which conjures Europeanness, which conjures Britishness, as Americans don't deal well with foreign languages: no Flemish cave trolls or Hungarian dragons, for example (nevermind Cornish, Welsh, or Gaelic).
If we were talking FUTURE fantasy worlds, Avatar or Star Trek, for example, there is no association with Britishness. Although, Australian accents and actors figure heavily in that realm. Which is a whole other subject matter?:
Britain: the past, Australia: the future, from an American perspective.
(sorry Kiwis, Americans tend to group your accent with Australia, I don't want to step on any issues of national pride here)
Why are is the evil scientists always speaking with a German accent?
...Mid-West accent...
Wait, we have an accent?
I mean, there are jokes about California "valley girls" and Brooklyn accents, but those are stereotypes and most people from the coasts don't actually talk like that. So... if the universal average of the English language is the "Mid-West" accent... wouldn't that mean we don't have an accent?
Because there's no better fantasy shared by the common public than to escape to than one of rainy weather, bland food, a stifling bureaucracy, and one of the largest surveillance networks concieved of.
It's obviously a made-up world, with their shillings and their stones - one where cars wear boots... I mean, that's just pure insanity.
I can't wait to hear the answer from our British friends. As an American, I have an odd fascination for the British accent (and Australian accent too) and love hearing it. I even set my GPS to speak British English instead of American English. Seems I am certainly not alone in this, either.
How about it? Do the British (and even Australians) have any similar fascination with hearing American accents?
Anyone ever see that godawful film Alexander starring Colin Farrel as Alex the Great? They gave the Macedonians Irish accents! That was even more distracting than the constant jumping back and forth between three different time periods and creepy chemistry between Farrel and Angelina Jolie who was supposed to be his mom!
Emma Peel, as played by Diana Rigg is the reason why all of my fantasies involve a British accent.
Oh, wait, did you mean something else?
No. Nobody wants that.
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After taking son Brooklyn to the basketball to celebrate his birthday a few weeks back, it was Romeo Beckham's turn to spend some QT with dad David yesterday.
Becks and his middle son watched Oklahoma City Thunder take on the Los Angeles Lakers at the Staples Centre in LA.
Romeo was clearly enjoying his bonding sesh with his pops who spent the match joking about with his mini-me.
David - who looked every inch the trendy dad in his beanie and jeans - recently revealed that Romeo is the most stylish of his three sons.
He said: 'Brooklyn will just wear his soccer shirts and T-shirts, but Romeo is the fashion one, so he'll go for skinny jeans and a vintage T-shirt and funny hats."
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The experiences in World of Warcraft through the eyes of a player that can't spend 10 hours a day raiding.
Monday, October 29, 2007
Loot Fixation?
It's really not a bad quest at all. All of the mobs you can kill at one time are all in one place. And the respawn is fast enough that you can keep killing and never stop. And the quest reward of the mail boots was a pretty big upgrade for me. And, like all items at this level, it will soon be replaced with something else.
I got to thinking about loot in general. Yes, the game is all about loot. But how important are items to you? Most leveling items are going to be replaced, so is it important to worry about getting that certain item? Should you go to the AH every time you gain a level to get the latest and greatest items?
You're just going to replace them later, but at the same time, they'll help you to get the next level and level of items faster. On a PVP server, it might mean the difference between getting ganked in STV or you being the one ganking.
Personally, I search for quests that will aid in that gearing up process. I might visit the AH every once and awhile for a new weapon, but usually not much more. (Since I just got dual wield at 40, that was one of the first things I did with my shaman.) I generally don't fixate on an item either. There's almost always an upgrade. Sure, the cloak off of Prince would be a nice upgrade, but there will always be something better. If not in the current game, at least in the expansion. lol. And you obviously need better gear in order to do certain things, like end-game progression, so that's kind of a different story. But what do you do in the leveling up process?
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- Galoheart said...
That was me above making correction.
I find loot is only important to me if its a piece of gear i can use to improve my character or make it easier to do my job tanking. When i'm doing quests its targeted at improving a specific gear slot pieces usually and then fun quest second.
That's because that makes sense to me in being efficient in doing quest that give a usable reward vs something i can't use in any way.
Otherwise when i instance i'm tanking and i'm never even first to touch the dead mob to see any loot. What i will always do is after mob been dead on ground a while to ALWAYS pick up all the trash or whatever remains on mob. I'm a Tank, and i never leave any loot on mobs because at the end of that run i always have to pay for my own repair bills and something has to make up for my declining gold reserve with massive repair bills all the time.
So while i don't have a big fixation on loot it pays the bills and pays for my ever spiraling upgrade costs. If i get a few greens or nice drop great. But i dont ever leave gray trash or anything on any mob as long as i have bag space.
- October 30, 2007 at 7:08 AM
- DadGuy said...
When levelling characters I have noticed that up until level 55 or so you can always buy better gear off the AH than you can get from questing. Every 4-6 levels You can hit the AH and get a substantial upgrade over the previous best. It makes a big difference.
Once you hit mid-50's then you can ignore it all, at lvl 58 you can get super huge upgrades. before the expansion, you didn't usually get "keeper" stuff until the early 50's though.
- October 30, 2007 at 8:17 AM
- Leiandra said...
Well... at least I can make a ton of good money (for my level) selling those Stranglethorn Pages in the Neutral Auction House. I think I got 20g one night from just the pages. Granted, that was a few nights' questing, but still... maybe I should visit the AH. :)
- October 30, 2007 at 9:31 AM
- Amava said...
I just found your blog today via link from Matticus. Really fun style and content. Thanks for the posts.
For loot, I am very laid back while levelling. My main is level 65, and I'm just starting to get serious about loot. When I first started out, I didnt even know about AH or loot other than vendor gear. When I was in my mid 20's, a friend of mine introduced me to the armory, and then verbally abused me about the equipment I was wearing, as it was basically quest gear or vendor stuff, and for the most part, 10 levels below me.
After she introduced me to gathering profs for income, and AH for gear, I adopted a policy of visiting the AH every 5 levels, and getting whatever upgrades were available. So this still left me with outdated stuff, but not quite as bad. And the policy also saved me from spending too much on what is pretty much disposable gear while you level.
Now, as I approach 70, the gear is getting pretty good. Mostly upgrades via quest rewards. I do get the occasional greenie drop that is a direct upgrade so I equip it. And also the occasional boss drop in instances, but I really seem to have the worst luck when it comes to (A) hunter drops, and (B) hunter drops that I win a roll for.
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Ella Hickson: My first Edinburgh Fringe
As the 2013 Edinburgh Fringe kicks off, award-winning playwright Ella Hickson (Eight, Precious Little Talent, Boys) reflects on her early experiences of the world's largest arts festival. This is an extract from the book My First Play
I used to love it – we'd always start with Shakespeare for Breakfast and then rattle through anything and everything – some crackers, some stinkers. I remember some pretty hairy (so to speak) moments – the revelation of Elizabeth I as a transsexual was played no more than a metre away from my blushing thirteen-year-old face: my mum kept telling me to close my eyes.
The moment that I really remember was a performance of Rat in the Skull. I remember the theatre exactly. It was in a C venue space – black felt on the walls, and maybe 30 people in this tiny ad-hoc black box. I think it was in what is now the Carlton Hotel, I have a memory of tartan carpet. The play blew my mind. I was only a teenager, but I can still feel the strain in me as I focused, completely riveted for the whole thing. I'd seen some things at the National that had gripped me and the shiny lights in the West End theatres always excited me – but I think that was the first time I'd been, sort-of, mind-punched by theatre. I walked out and I felt different. I realised, I suppose, that theatre isn't just for watching, that it had power. I remember wanting to be part of that gang.
I said to my mum afterwards that I'd loved it and she said that I should go and tell the actor – and I did. I remember going up to him and being a bit bashful and saying, "I thought you were great" – he was very nice about it – he said thanks. And just now – writing this – is the first time I've ever googled it. There's a single review from the British Theatre Guide – the days before internet marketing. It was in Little C apparently, by a group from Manchester University – the review agrees it was a five-star show. It was apparently in 1998 – which would have made me thirteen – it must have been the year of the transvestite Elizabeth: I saw a lot that year! And get this – the review says the following…
'It is impossible to fault this production. The audience is gripped from the start and the scenes between Nelson (Colm Gormley) and Roche (Benedict Cumberbatch) are almost painful in their intensity. This is a production not to be missed.'
I swear to you, I've only just discovered that in googling it. It could have been Mr Cumberbatch I said 'well done' to – mind you, could just have easily been Colm Gormley – if anyone knows either of them can you give them a buzz and see if they remember an impressed thirteen-year-old telling them they were great? And which ever one – well, in fact – both – could you thank them for inspiring me – it may have been a whole other career if they hadn't.This is an extract from My First Play: An Anthology of Theatrical Beginnings published by Nick Hern Books.
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