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Hiding will never work
Hiding will never work
But it might buy us the time to develop technology to defend ourselves. Having them nuke us from orbit (it's the only way to be sure) would not be so good for humanity.
We can simply pass a United Nations resolution and sign a treaty [unvienna.org] to keep nukes or for that matter all weapons from space. Doesn't that work? Won't all spacefaring civilizations [wikipedia.org] have such a similar attitude?
Don't worry, there'll be this man in a blue box calling them up to tell them we're protected under the Shadow Proclamation.
It is great that you just assume they have weapons of mass destruction. That worked in the past very well.
Interstellar spacecraft are weapons of mass destruction.
Above a significant fraction of the speed of light, any normal matter has an energy density greater than a nuclear weapon.
Above a larger fraction of the speed of light, any normal matter has an energy density greater than an anti-matter reaction involving the same rest mass.
Why work so hard...
If they have spaceships, then they can go out to the asteriod belt and hurl an endless supply of ammunition at us that would decimate us and pose no risk at all to the attackers.
The whole concept is one of paranoia. Considering the age of the galaxy, advanced species could be of immense ages. Any new interstellar aggressor species would find itself confronted by a whole range of progressively more advanced species each in turn more capable of deploying more advanced and often more subtle forms of social stabilisation. The simplest method by which to judge species and what measures may be required to control threats implied by them, is the way in which they interact with less advanced species.
Much the same way a species upon it's own planet would be judged by the way they interact with each other, with suppositions of racial differences where none exist, of artificial regional divides, specifically demonstrated where a species one region preys upon and exploits the same species in another region, with claims of racial differences to hide, degenerative social diseases, like psychopathy and narcissism.
So any threatening species would be dealt with, likely well before they became destructive upon an interstellar basis. The greater the gap in advancement the less likely communication will occur, as there will always be more similarly advanced species to fill that interaction and monitoring gap, who in turn would be monitored by next nearest level of advancement.
Besides planets in reality are pretty crappy resources for any interstellar species, nebula and dust clouds have stupendously huge quantities of material available, sufficient to make thousands even millions of suns, already in affect mined, granulated to a fine powder and just requiring filtering to extract the desired elements.
Humanity has to be far more concerned with how they interact with each other and how that interaction could be interpreted from an external viewpoint and whether it could be considered as potentially threatening and what actions are required to nip the threat in the bud. Whether it be social modification and, or culling of specific socially destructive elements.
The last paragraph is interesting considering that Sagan pointed out that the first high-powered tv broadcasts that might be intercepted by the aliens show Hitler at the Nürnberg party rally
"The whole concept is one of paranoia."
Even if you suffer from paranoia, that doesn't mean there's nobody out there to get you.
Given the past history of contacts between "more" and "less" advanced peoples it is ridiculously optimistic to believe that they will be nicer than us.
We, for example, are inconceivably more complicated and "advanced" than ants but we still step on them.
The simplest method by which to judge species and what measures may be required to control threats implied by them, is the way in which they interact with less advanced species.
Sorry, that's your own morality creeping into the argument. I would personally like to think this as well, but there's plenty of evidence that species can be relentlessly homogeneous, to the point of killing outliers merely for the sake of being different. And their strength derives from this; take bees or ants as an example.
If they can get here from other stars I think it's a safe bet they have weapons of MASSIVE destruction. They would have to be far enough more advanced than us that we probably can't even imagine their capabilities (or understand them if we see them). Of course all they really need to do is tug a few astroids along and drop rocks on us, right?
A more insidious possibility is that they have weapons of mass control. Enslavement or genocide? There is also the "tasty treat" possiblility. Most likely is the "we don't really understand what they are doing" option.
The only way for them to be even close to our level of technology would be if they travel at speeds we could potentially travel at, right? In other words waaaay below lightspeed (discounting naturally occurring wormholes that happen to be conveniently placed - or the whole "ancients" idea of an earlier higher level civilization that left behind a transit system). In that case they would have ships we could see coming, possibly for years. Either they would have life-spans far, far longer than ours, they would be traveling in generation ships, or even possibly be cyborgs. If we don't see them coming, I'd say we can assume a level of technology we have zero chance of defending against. If we see them coming we might have a fighting chance.
Or, they just set up a big sun-powered phased array in their home system and bathe us in laser light for a year or two. Their generational ships eventually arrive to find a nice planet conveniently pre-sterilized.
We get to see it coming, not much we can do about it, though.
Maybe we'll be lucky, and due to a mass miscue of scale they'll be eaten be a small dog. If thye're Vogons, having the planet destroyed will be better than listening to their poetry.
Don't worry fellas. I got this. I saved my Powerbook 5300c from years back. When they come, I'll be ready.
Given how large the universe is, we don't even have to hide. As it seems hard to travel faster than light, we should be pretty safe
Mmmmm.....I am not so sure about that.
Remember, we have been using a model of reality for the last say 200 years that well, because it can build planes, rockets and air conditioners and nuclear weapons: The Standard Model that says it is impossible to go to the stars.
The Standard Model SAYS its very hard to traverse the distances.
I don't believe that for a minute because this very same model failed to predict 98% of reality in the Universe we live in.
So I think if we were to scrap the Standard Model and sta
Our species, up to and including our most advanced thinkers*, is too wedded to unexamined assumptions and too fond of creating self-referential aphorisms and/or ironic maxims to realistically model first contact with non-human species.
Stephen Hawking's assumption is that we should be thinking carefully about advertising our presence in the universe because any Alien visitors might be like Columbus discovering the America's in 1492. I think he most certainly has a point, but what about another viewpoint, where Aliens take a look at us and what we have done in our history of contact with new civilisations, realise what the implications for them would be if we were to meet them, and decide that a pre-emptive attack to exterminate all of humanity is probably their safest course of action?
There is a particularly depressing science fiction book called The Killing Star [wikipedia.org], which describes exactly such a premise. The story is depressing because only a tiny group of people actually survive the devastation to flee in utter silence from the solar system. The method used to exterminate humanity is absurdly simple. No huge ray-guns, no huge bombs, or poison or any such thing, just objects accelerated to 99% the speed of light, so-called relativistic kill-vehicles. Almost impossible to stop because even if you do detect them coming, they're so close behind their own light signal that there wouldn't be much time to do anything about it.
This is the assumption that would worry me the most, I think. any alien civilisation intelligent enough to understand what we are would be intelligent enough to understand how dangerous we could be to them.
Hiding will never work
OMG, who said that?
They may be neither militarily advanced nor ethically advanced. They may simply be looking for more resources to exploit. Why assume that they either have a concept of ethics, that their ethics might apply to us, or that taking resources would be unethical in their view?
Why assume that they either have a concept of ethics, that their ethics might apply to us, or that taking resources would be unethical in their view?
They don't need a "concept of ethics." But there's the basic problem that if they have no problem with taking resources from another civilization, what problem do they have with taking resources from each other? Unless they are invincible they will almost certainly begin by taking resources from each other. If both you and I need a resource and one of us becomes short on it, we engage in conflict unless there is a sense of "ethics" or some basic moral guidelines. They can call it whatever they want but it's just a basic beginning to conflict
They may simply be looking for more resources to exploit.
So tell me, when you're "simply looking for more resources to exploit" where do you start? Looking at those around you who have the resources you need or building a spaceship capable of intergalactic travel and also locating out of the universe a planet that might have the same resources you need? If you find it hard answering that question, read up on resource consumption and distribution in ancient Rome.
And what makes Earth so automatically special about our resources? I mean, for carbon based life, maybe. But you have to assume if they've been going for that long then they are probably capable of turning worthless planets into gold. A lot of sci-fi novels posit that stars and black holes are going to be the harvested resource for "the down streamers" or any advanced alien race looking for resources to exploit.
But there's the basic problem that if they have no problem with taking resources from another civilization, what problem do they have with taking resources from each other?
You are making the fundamental assumption that any random group of aliens would view us as "people". Given, as an example, the number of species we recognize as "people" currently, that's quite a stretch.
I know that projecting human values to any alien life form is heavily criticized, and you can't say with absolute certainty that any (technically advanced) alien life would share our ethics. Nevertheless I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that they would.
It is safe to assume that any technically advanced life form would be a social life form and would rely on groups as opposed to mere individuals for making leaps in technical progress. And that necessitates evolution of characteristics like empathy, altruism and so on. It is not a stretch to assume that they would project their thoughts on to others the same way we do.
Of course we can't be 100% sure, but it is still a reasonable thought.
I dunno. Others have speculated recently (and I happen to agree with them) that the likely space-faring races won't be biological, but mechanical/electrical. An AI that can manufacture it's own replacement parts & direct robots to repair itself could become effectively immortal...which makes the time for the trip between stars less of an issue.
So, there might only be one...and it might need resources. (In this case, though, it'd likely be more interested in the asteroid belt than us.)
I find it hard to believe that a race which can build energy-sources powerful enough to travel between galaxies would need any material resources. Surely by that stage they can synthesize any element in any quantity (all except Latinum...)
Needing more places to live in? That's another story.
Maybe some rich space-dude would like the Earth as a private holiday villa and he's not too keen on all the annoying/bitey little animals which live here and are busy chopping down the pretty trees and polluting the roll
Not necessarily.
Aliens could have a hive-like society, similar to ants or bees, where the individual is nothing. Surely you remember Ender's Game and its idea that the conflict was ultimately caused by the difference in society - the aliens could not comprehend an advanced society made of individuals alone. A hive-based society may discard empathy as inefficient. As a side-note, I think this is the direction of the reimagined "V" series - I think the aliens are "bug-like" rather that "lizard-like".
it is apparent that killing each other is simply not productive. Well, this is apparent to me anyway.
The inventors of the following all thought their inventions would end war:
Smokeless gun powder
Atomic Bomb
But those are *military* weapons..of course they won't end war...consider also:
The Television
It makes the list. If we could only learn about other cultures, we wouldn't want to go to war. Mankind seems to have a penchant for turning every invention into a way to wage more efficient war. What if someone invented a cheap way to feed everybody? Well, congratulations, you've also invented
It sounds like this physicist thinks the film Independence Day may come true. What could we possibly have in our young solar system that would make it worth the bother for a nomadic civilization of harvesting aliens to visit?
In the unlikely event that it turns out that sentient life is far more probable on planets with the conditions that also support human life (rather than there being a wide variety of conditions, mostly incompatible with human life), then the aliens have found a habitable world, pre-terraformed.
On the other hand, if our needs are orthogonal to their needs, maybe we're a masterfully convenient technologically backward slave race, intelligent enough to do their dangerous harvesting tasks without consuming any resources that they themselves need.
Or maybe the aliens are just pricks.
Or perhaps they are a humanoid species that now only has female nymphomaniacs super-models that needs men to let their planet survive AND they dig nerds. (There must be a movie about this somewhere)
I think he's saying this to generate debate and thought about aliens. It's too late to hide. The radio waves are already on their way. But if he's saying this on a TV show he's trying to generate buzz for it and get people thinking about it. It also leads to the conclusion we need to build SDF-1, thereby getting humans into space.
Hawking isn't called a genius for no reason. There is another subtle arguement there that we need to get of this planet to start looking for those resources too.
Etc etc.
It's too late to hide. The radio waves are already on their way.
Those radio waves that are beamed into "deep space" degrade and become indistinguishable from the rest of the background electromagnetic radiation just outside our solar system.
Proxima Centauri, the nearest star, is 4.2 light years away. Our radio waves don't even come close.
So yeah, SETI... that organization that spends a lot of time listening for and sending radio signals, can only hope to catch something from a ship EXTREMELY close to us. And if the aliens have the capability to get that close t
It also leads to the conclusion we need to build SDF-1, thereby getting humans into space.
We need Zor's battleship to crash land on an island in the Pacific first.
The enormity of the effort they would have to mount given the physics of space travel would be rather significant, and at great cost to themselves. The time it would take would depend on how close to the speed of light they can reach. And the physics of THAT means they would have to have the technology to convert matter into energy somehow. Or, it would take them many thousands of years to get here. Either way, it's NOT going to be a friendly housecall, no matter how you shake it.
The public has in its collective imagination all these SF stories that assumes some way has been found to avert the realities of the physics that we now understand. But I am not confident at all that a way can be found to make interstellar space travel "cheap and affordable", per se. Wormholes, if they even exist, require energies way beyond our imagination, way beyond any civilization would be able to harness, energies at galactic scales or worse, and even at that there is no clear understanding if they would actually be useful for travel.
We indeed understand a lot today about physics and cosmology, and nothing I've seen to this time would even hint at the merest possibility of anything that could possibly make interstellar travel "cheap and affordable" my mere civilizations throughout the cosmos
So, I deem it extremely unlikely that Humanity's fantasies about space travel will ever likely be true.
And thus, on that basis, I would firmly agree with Hawking.
I have also been saying this all along but I disagree with you on this point:
The enormity of the effort they would have to mount given the physics of space travel would be rather significant, and at great cost to themselves.
Who's to say that they just don't think differently than we do? Just because we have a mental block about a particular bit of physics does not mean that they do too. I find it hard to believe that if they think like we do but have solved the physics problem of near light-speed travel that they wouldn't be able to handle their own natural resources for their population.
I have also been saying this all along but I disagree with you on this point:
The enormity of the effort they would have to mount given the physics of space travel would be rather significant, and at great cost to themselves.
Who's to say that they just don't think differently than we do? Just because we have a mental block about a particular bit of physics does not mean that they do too. I find it hard to believe that if they think like we do but have solved the physics problem of near light-speed travel that they wouldn't be able to handle their own natural resources for their population.
Mental block? Think about it for a moment.
Never before have we had so many minds looking at this problem than in our entire history.Today we have a tremendous number of physicists, many yearning to venture into space, and none of them have come up with the solution.
Applying basic statistics here, the longer it takes, the less likely a solution will be found. If there were a way we would've found it by now, I think. Or be on the edge of finding it.
So the probability decreases asymptotically with time.
Humans, the other red meat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dk9z6Ul4X4 [youtube.com]
"Pathetic earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void, without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe, anything at all, you would've hidden from it in terror." --Ming the Merciless
There are pleanty of other resources out there, why come all they way here to get them?
It would be like filling your car full of fuel, driving to the airport (past several orchards, forests, landfills, and supermarkets), filling up a 767, flying to Tahiti in it, then raiding a village for its produce.
It just wouldn't be worth it. Not saying they wouldn't be interested, just that the expense and effort to take our stuff would not even be close to break even.
The only reason I could see for them to actually come here are for biologicals. Perhaps petroleum which is also biological actually. Basically us, the plants, all of the bugs, the germs. And that is only useful to them if the biomass is is similar and compatible to theirs.
Quite frankly they could probably produce their own Earth sized biomass with less energy than it would take for them to to transport such infrastructure here.
I completely agree - the idea that Earth has unique resources is both a false and anthropocentric view. The elements that make Earth are seen everywhere in systems all around us. Heck, they could just hang out in the Oort Cloud and mine that for a few million years until they got bored.
And I see no scientific basis to assume that our bodies/minds would serve any useful purpose or a superior intelligence, despite what Hollywood tells us.
I've got my towel.
Jeez, come on the technology for defeating them came out in 1997! Didn't any of you see Independence Day? We already know from this fine documentary that all we need is a Wall Street G3 and we can easily penetrate their puny firewalls. Sure they have intergalactic travel capabilities, and ships that can hover over entire cities (without char-broiling them with hover-exhaust, mind you...) but WE have 14.4 modems, Mac OS and the Fresh Prince of BelAir.
What's to worry about?
There's a small problem with your plan. Of the two PowerBook Wall Street G3 avaiable on eBay [ebay.com], the first one is complete; however , it does not work, and the seller has no idea what the problems are. It could have multiple issues. And the second one is also complete; however it does not work and the seller also has no idea what the problems are. It could have multiple issues. Obviously the keyboard is bad.
We're doomed!
* extra !'s added for emphasis.
Ummm.. if they have intergalactic travel capability, they would be able to get any resource they needed from a much nearer source. After all, every resource we use here on earth is available in vastly larger quantities elsewhere in the Universe than on our tiny little rock. Every resource here came from somewhere else, remember?
The argument that they would come here looking for resources is simply asinine.
That was the conclusion of a Playboy interview concerning aliens years ago (I don't remember who they were interviewing). The analogy was, if I remember correctly, to the Piraha people of South America, who did just that to the Spanish invaders. As a consequence the Piraha were left alone for another hundred years, while all other triebes who allowed the Spanish in were devastated.
I come to the same conclusion as Hawking - that we should try to be a quiet civilization - but not for the same reasons.
The fact that we haven't detected advanced life in all of our SETI searching, and the fact that our solar system has not been visited by an alien probe (see Fermi Paradox) is some evidence that our galaxy has a "sterilizer civilization" - which is a pretty straightforward concept.
If two civilizations begin interstellar colonization in our galaxy, their spheres of expansion are bound to intersect in the future. As they will largely be competing for the same resources (sources of energy differential), some sort of conflict is inevitable. But a conflict at this scale would be so horrible that any reasonable civilization would want to avoid it at all costs. This reasoning makes me think that any suitably advanced, reasonable civilization will be a sterilizer civilization: For the moral purpose of preventing great suffering, they will sterilize any technological civilization before they begin their interstellar colonization. Being rational, they will do this in the most efficient way possible: They will send a robotic probe which will duplicate itself in our solar system, and this autonomous army will wipe out all technological life and monitor our system to make sure that none re-emerges. Since sending even a small payload at great interstellar distances requires great energy, the rational sterilizer civilization will choose a speed for the probe that will bring it to its target safely before their interstellar colonization phase begins, but not much earlier. It is quite possible that such a probe is on its way to us right now, but won't arrive for another thousand years.
On the very unlikely scenario that we are somehow the first technological civilization in our galaxy, I think that we have an ethical obligation to become a sterilizer civilization ourselves. Everyone now wishes that somebody killed Hitler when he was a baby. It would have prevented great suffering. Like Hawking, I think it's inevitable that if contact is allowed to occur between two colonizing civilizations, the result will be catastrophic on a scale that will make the casualty count of a nuclear war seem like a rounding error. So of course there are ethical downsides of sterilizing a budding, intelligent civilization, just like there are downsides to killing the still-innocent baby Hitler. But I think the refusal to do this would be far more monstrous. The costs could be mitigated by meticulously recording all information about the culture and biology of the extinguished life, or perhaps even saving some specimens who will be safely contained in some sort of a galactic zoo.
So how should we react if there is a sterilizing probe on its way to get us? We have to begin our interstellar colonization before the probe gets here. I don't think it makes much sense to try to raise up a defense, because we can't even guess at the mechanism of such a probe. One thing it might do is to create a tiny black hole and drop it into the sun. (Or perhaps the probe just is a small black hole set to collide with the sun in a thousand years or so.) At this point, we are still a very vulnerable civilization, and will remain so until we have covered a substantial part of the galaxy. Also, we should be working hard on the technology for an effective sterilizer probe, just in case SETI does eventually reveal an alien civilization. I know it's "no fun" to kill aliens before we ever meet them, but I think the ethical costs of not doing so are unacceptable.
He wants his story back.
Everyone now wishes that somebody killed Hitler when he was a baby.
No, they really don't. The common question which you've heard, "if you could go back in time and kill Hitler as a baby, would you?" is meant to generate ethical debate, and the answer is not meant to be obvious. In fact, with the same fervor that you would use in answering "yes" to that question, I would answer "no." Killing someone for crimes they have not yet committed is simply unacceptable in my world view, and life itself isn't as important to me as holding to such moral guidelines.
In other words, I'd more than willing to accept the extinction of the human race over condoning the brutal "sterilization" of other sentient species. A species such as the one you describe isn't worth protecting.
That sounds like a great way to get "sterilized" yourself by:
a) your own probes turned against you by the civilizations that you intended to "sterilize" OR by a computer glitch,
b) by a civilization or civilizations that you have not yet met but who have already heard about your reputation,
c) by a civilization that is way more developed than yours - as nobody likes living next door to a psycho,
d) getting your civilization torn from inside by your own people or their psychoses due to the fact that not everyone is a heartless bastard willing to condone to a xenocide or two or dozen.
I've been monitoring my Sub-Etha Sens-O-Matic iPad application, bought from the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation and it hasn't indicated the presence of any spacecraft in Earth orbit for some weeks now. And if and when it does, I won't panic. I'll switch to the Guide app, with its large friendly letters and it will tell me everything that I need to do.
the galaxy is full of natural resources. if you have mastered inter-stellar travel you can get to all of them
further, if they have figured how to live for tens or hundreds of years, the time required to cross inter-stellar distances, in space habitats, they aren't interested in our "habitable" planet. earth is most likely toxic by their standards.
so, there's not a practical reason for them to subjugate us. that leaves the possibility that they are just violent for the sake of violence. that's extremely unlikely though, as they managed as a species to survive together long enough on their planet to develop space travel.
that all being said, there's still a small chance that whatever aliens find us would for some reason do us harm. there is also of course a good chance they would do us *good*. a species that possess the technology for inter-stellar travel could gift us even their simplest technologies and can get humanity over this bump in the road we are facing now. for example, nuclear fission reactors would give the world clean, plentiful energy.
considering how humanity is going and it's chances of survival, alien contact would be an incredible bit of luck for us now.
Machines that have broken down will work perfectly when the repairman arrives.


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This is called Masochism [wikipedia.org]I'm... I'm confused... somebody wants to admit they created MS-DOS?
I guess I must have used MSDOS for about 15 years or so, much of that writing drivers etc.. For the CPUs available at the time (remember 4.77Mhz 8088 with 128kB of RAM) -- equivalent in CPU grunt to Pentium running about 100kHz, you could not pack in piles of stuff and there was no 32-bit or memory protection available to help with debugging etc. For what was going at the time, MSDOS achieved a lot.
MSDOS was written at the time when there was no C compiler (for x86) worth a damn and everything was written in assembly. There was also very little in the way of debugging assistance - nothing compared to what is available now. Few people could crank out something the size of MSDOS in assmebly these days.
Nonsense. There were plenty of real OSs around at the time, running on similar processors. The prime example is CP/M. Which, if you had bothered to follow the discussion, you would already know about, since the lawsuit is over whether QDOS was a "slapdash clone" of CP/M. Which, in point of fact, it was. Patterson knew jack about OS design, and thought he could clone CP/M just by writing his own versions of all the CP/M APIs -- something he didn't have the background to do.For what was going at the time, MSDOS achieved a lot.
MS-DOS dominated the market for one reason and for one reason only -- IBM chose it as the main OS for the PC. Since there were so many low-level compatibility issues with early PC clones, IBMs competitors had to copy the PC in painstaking detail. That included copying IBM's mistakes -- the biggest of which was using one of the worst OSs ever made. Not by today's standards, but by the standards then.
CP/M-86 wasn't available until after IBM committed to shipping MS-DOS licensed from Microsoft.
MS-DOS dominated the market for one reason and for one reason only -- IBM chose it as the main OS for the PC
You make it sound as if customers dind't have a choice. IBM announced and made available three operating systems - PC-DOS, CP/M-86 and UCSD P-System.
Because Microsoft delivered a working product a year in advance, IBM wrote it's own programs around it. Also, DR charged a much higher licensing fee for CP/M-86, which IBM sold for $240. But there were no programming languages available for it yet and very little software had been ported over from CP/M to the CP/M-86.
If IBM made PC-DOS as "the main OS" for the PC, it was because it was available earlier and had lots of programming languages available. Customers also liked it because it was cheaper.
since the lawsuit is over whether QDOS was a "slapdash clone" of CP/M. Which, in point of fact, it was.
A clone with a completely different file system? There were plenty of CP/M clones in those days, QDOS, later 86-DOS, later MS-DOS wasn't really a clone. It just offered a familar API set for programs porting from CP/M.
the biggest of which was using one of the worst OSs ever made. Not by today's standards, but by the standards then.
Okay, well, what would have been better then for a macine with a 16-bit processor with a 8-bit bus and 16K of memory? Microsoft originally wanted to license XENIX to IBM, but it would never work on that type of machine.
In no way did Tim Patterson rip off CP/M. It is exceedingly clear from several respecible published sources that DR shot themselves in the foot time and time again, while Microsoft delievered not only a operating system, but the programming languages for it - which was the real draw.
CP/M-86 wasn't available until after IBM committed to shipping MS-DOS licensed from Microsoft.
Nevertheless, the original OS plan for the PC (drawn up by Bill Gates himself) was for IBM to commission DR to port CP/M to the 86. This plan fell through for obscure reasons. (Various stories about that. The one I believe is that IBM wanted airtight nondisclosure areements with DR before they'd even open negotiations, and DR balked.) Bill Gates was afraid that if he couldn't give IBM an OS, he couldn't sell them
I would be proud to have MSDOS on my resume, as would most serious software architects. MSDOS was used by millions of users, it was a true groundbreaker. MSDOS does not do much compared to VMS or VM/CMS but what it does it does on an 8/16 bit processor running at a few MHz. The original Microsoft Basic was not exactly extensive but most people would agree that it was a cool piece of coding.
But you miss the point in any case. This guy has MSDOS on his resume, what he is objecting to is the claim that he stole it.
And PIP was often used as proof that CP/M was a piece of garbage. Other indications being the idiotic copy command which worked the opposite way to every other one "copy to from", oh and it would erase your disk when you made the obvious mistake.
MSDOS was generally considered something of an improvement.
As a former 6502 programmer myself I know the limits of the machine. But it is somewhat ironic that you would point out the limitations of the 6502 to bash Bill Gates since he personaly wrote the code that made the Apple ][, the Commodore PET and most of the rest of the Micros possible, Microsoft Basic.
And whi
An 8086 system is really, really slow and had very little memory. It was desireable to have all the power and memory possible available to the application. You wouldn't want to try somthing like a modern Linux kernel on it.
http://elks.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Some crazy people did INDEED try to run Linux on the limited original PC hardware.
We can now formulate the "laws of linux hobby projects"
1- As with any other stupid projet with "linux" in it's name (like "makinge coffee with linux"), there
Hey, he might organize an army of knights now.
I have little sympathy for Tim Paterson. He stole another person's idea (i.e. CPM/86) and tried to make money off of it by selling the product (i.e. QDOS) to Bill Gates. Gates then signed an agreement with IBM to distribute a copy of MSDOS (renamed from QDOS) on each IBM PC. This agreement transformed Microsoft in
Sadly, he's the exception. The entire computing business (and engineering business, and any other business involving creativity and intelligence) is replete with stories like this. Kildall is just an unusually extreme example.
Gary Kildall eventually died in a bar, but many (including myself) would say that Bill Gates drove Kildall toward suicidal drinking, which lead to him being killed in a bar with other drunks.
By contrast, Kildall did not even get the fame, i.e. the recognition that he deserved. Ask any Windows/MS-DOS user who Kildall is, and she will scratch her head with ignorance. If I were in Kildall's shoes, I would have been bitter every day of my life and would have probably committed suicide too.
I think that saying that Kildall was driven to suicide by Bill Gates is a stretch. I know of Kildall's story, but I really can't bring myself to shed too many tears. Kildall was still rich by the standards of most of us. He has successfully founded Digital Research. There were many innovative and interesting things that Kildall could have done, either at Digital Research or on his own.
You have the right to decide to kill yourself if you were "robbed" of the massive wealth and fame of Bill Gates (you make the point that it is both, not just one that is the fatal poison). In this case, I feel sorry for both you and Kildall in holding such egotistical world views.
Money may not buy happiness, but it can buy freedom. The fact that Kildall is not recognized for a crappy little operating systems like CP/M and DR-DOS is really no surprise. Looking back on CP/M, MS-DOS and DR-DOS all we can really say is "thank God we can use real operating systems like UNIX, Linux and even Windows NT/XP". Xenix and the early UNIX operating systems were far better and ran on machines not much more powerful than the Intel 286.
Instead of being famous for writing CP/M and DR-DOS Kildall could have used the money he made to do something really creative. But he did not. The tragedy in the story is that of wasted possibility, not lack of fame or an extra 40 billion dollars. The inability to take advantage of what fortune and hard work had given Kildall can be laid at Kildall's feet not Gates'.
I suspect that the real problem is that Kildall had a drinking problem and was in the wrong place at the wrong time (he died, as I recall, in a bar fight).
The story actually goes that Kildall fell in a bar and died slowly at home of some internal injury.Gary Kildall eventually died in a bar, but many (including myself) would say that Bill Gates drove Kildall toward suicidal drinking, which lead to him being killed in a bar with other drunks.
By contrast, Kildall did not even get the fame, i.e. the recognition that he deserved. Ask any Windows/MS-DOS user who Kildall is, and she will scratch her head with ignorance. If I were in Kildall's shoes, I would have been bitter every day of my life and would have probably committed suicide too.
It's main purpose was to be as compatible as possible to CP/M to faciliate fast porting of CP/M applications to QDOS.
Right, but the guy has a point that it was in many, many ways completely unlike CP/M
... in that CP/M had many more features and was, well, just all-around better...
All kidding aside, QDOS was meant to be simple and 'quick' disk-based OS. Nobody ( OK, few people outside the p0rn industry ) wants to call their own software 'dirty'. That sounds like a story...
In his book They Made America, Evans devoted a chapter to the late, great Gary Kildall, founder of Digital Research, describing Paterson's software as a 'rip-off' and 'a slapdash clone' of Kildall's CP/M.
...I thought it wasn't defamation if it was true.
You can tell an interviewer that your former boss was an overbearing meglomanic, and have an official document to prove it, and it would still be slander.
IANAL, but I'm almost entirely certain that it's only slander if you can prove that it was untrue, said with malice, and there were actual damages as a result.
Maury: "Mr. Gates, you are NOT DOS's father!" Bill: "Oh yeah! Oh yeah! I done TOLD you it ain't my baby!"
Well, here's the thing. CP/M licensees got source code. Microsoft had it. Patterson had it. Then years later IIRC, Killdall stood up in court and entered a keystrokes at a PC running MSDOS and brought up an easter egg he had programmed into CP/M years earlier, proving they had used his code.
As a result, he wound up getting lots of money and use of the MSDOS codebase to keep DR DOS compatible.
Patterson seems like the most likely source for the copying, but I've never seen that proven or any proof attempted.
Oh, and some of the directory tree-mapping programs had a REAL hard time of it, when I reset a directory pointer back on itself...
- jeps
Paterson has endured "great pain and mental anguish" and is seeking "over $75,000" in damages, plus costs.
It looks like Paterson is trying to get economic compensation (no matter from who) for the "great pain and mental anguish" of having developed QDOS, then sell it to MS for a ridiculous sum of money and seing how they managed to create a software empire with it.
Linux Torvalds however, quite blatantly made Linux borrowing many ideas from the Unix systems of the time, and he's heralded as a geek hero of our time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Linus in the least. I think he did well, and I think that Patterson did equally well creating his workalike. Kildall's arrogance cost him the IBM contract because someone else implemented a cheaper version.
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Last week NewsChannel Seven learned about the Taylor Investment Corporation out of Indiana and its plans to develop a high-rise condominium at the Holiday Lodge property on the west end of the Hathaway Bridge.
At Monday night's city planning board meeting, they approved annexing the property as part of the city, but urban resources such as water and sewer posed some questions now left for the city commissioners to decide.
The attorney for the developer says they did not include a plan for urban service such as water or sewer because it was not necessary for this process.
A representative for the city said it was important for the developer to understand the city is not capable of providing these services.
The mayor of Panama City Beach, Lee Sullivan, says providing these services are essential and they won't be provided by the beach.
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Cinemax will air for the first look at the fourth and final season of "Strike Back" just before Friday's episode of "The Knick," but you can see it here first.
The clip shows stars Philip Winchester, Sullivan Stapleton, Michelle Lukes and Robson Greene filming in Thailand, where much of the upcoming season is set. And in typical "Strike Back" fashion, they're blowing things up, jumping from motorcycles to cars and "shooting bad dudes in Bangkok," as Stapleton says.
One new twist this season, as Winchester points out in the video—they're jumping off tall buildings. "Probably the scariest thing I've done on 'Strike Back,' " he says, "because I'm not a huge fan of heights."
The season will debut sometime in 2015 after filming was delayed several months when Stapleton was injured off-set. Production will resume later this year on the 10-episode season.
It's the first time the production has filmed in Asia, a goal set by co-executive producer, writer and director Michael J. Bassett.
"We want to change the pallet and go to the East, go at a new enemy," Bassett told me during San Diego Comic-Con 2013.
In "Strike Back," the above cast members play operatives of an elite British military unit called Section 20. Cinemax plans to release more details about the new season in the upcoming weeks.
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The John Murray Show Monday 16 September 2013
A lively mix of entertainment, human interest and lifestyle features with Miriam O'Callaghan.
The Welsh band Stereophonics with the unmistakable voice of Kelly Jones have sold 9 million copies of their albums, had ten top-ten singles in the UK, opened for The Rolling Stones, The Who and David Bowie & will be playing in Ireland soon. Miriam is joined by Kelly & band mate Richard Jones from a studio in London.
Joe Prendergast may be Ireland's youngest author - his second book was published earlier this year & the third one is on the way shortly - just in time for Christmas - as he told the audience at the People of the Year Awards on Saturday. Joe's Dad Geoff died from lung cancer last year. Joe is here in studio this morning with his mum Ita.
He wrote his first book, "The Great Fragola Brothers", in 2012.
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A pair of Leave No Trace educators will be in the Tri-Lakes this weekend to offer free training sessions.
Subaru/Leave No Trace Traveling Trainers Kate Bullock and Tracy Howard plan to attend the Adirondack Mountain Club's Winterfest at the Adirondak Loj on Saturday. Then Sunday, they will be at the Paul Smith's VIC for a 10 a.m. workshop and an 11 a.m. family-oriented snowshoe hike on the property.
The pair will be teaching the seven principles taught by Leave No Trace Center for Outdoor Ethics, a nonprofit organization based in Boulder, Colo. The principles are as follows: plan ahead and prepare, travel and camp on durable surfaces, dispose of waste properly, leave what you find, minimize campfire impacts, respect wildlife and be considerate of other visitors.
"Our focus is to really encourage responsible use of land shared by the public," Howard said. "So what can we do as individuals out on the trail to help protect the environment around us and be as safe as possible, so that hopefully we can have as much fun as possible in the outdoors as well."
Howard said preparedness and disposing of waste properly will be a big focus of their talks, in a large part because it is now winter.
She said it's important to make "sure that people are well equipped to go outside and also have a good knowledge base of the area that they are going to so that they can think about the different aspects of their trip to consider."
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Mark Sanchez is a much better QB when he doesnt throw at all
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I care, yuh friggin bastid!
We ran on 3rd and 5 AAHHAHA ... O Line run dominant fine but the coaches basically said "no passing mark sucks"
Mark Sanchez is a much better QB when he doesnt throw at all
the commentator on this game with his constant 'swinging of the axe' comments - aaargh!
Yay. We are better than ARZ and JAC.
Sanchez looks good handing the ball off. Rex/Sparano have completely taken the offense out of his hands.
So we finally figured out how to score points.....don't let Sanchez throw the ball.
This is just what we needed: take the ball out of Mark's hands and put it into the hands of Powell and Shonn.
Lets go d
Another sign of Rex's ineptitude:
Why the hell is Greene still starting over Powell?
STs with a bounce back game.
why do I feel like the Jets are losing
So we win out , get a rotten pick and are stuck with this clown show for another year, oh joy !!!!! An if you don't think we will get our asses handed to us in
The first round of the playoffs, if we some how make them, you have not watch this team all year.
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Este es el Mirador de la Cueva en Bahías de Lás Águilas en el Parque Nacional Jaragua, Pedernales, República Domincana.
The Dominican Republic is a nation on the island of Hispaniola, part of the Greater Antilles archipelago in the Caribbean region. The western third of the island is occupied by the nation of Haiti, making Hispaniola one of two Caribbean islands, along with Saint Martin, that are shared by two countries. Both by area and population, the Dominican Republic is the second largest Caribbean nation (after Cuba), with 48,442 square kilometres (18,704 sq mi) and an estimated 10 million people.Source:Wikipedia


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Squealing and shouting as a fluffy pastry zoomed toward the face of one school administrator and teacher after another, the fun multiplied for Brevard Academy students Friday as they celebrated the mathematical constant known as pi.
Squealing and shouting as a fluffy pastry zoomed toward the face of one school administrator and teacher after another, the fun multiplied for Brevard Academy students Friday as they celebrated the mathematical constant known as pi, or 3.14.
March 14, commonly referred to as Pi Day because it shares the same numbers as the ratio between a circle's circumference and diameter, has become something of a tradition at Brevard Academy.
"They're getting to do math activities that are not necessarily out of their books," said first-grade teacher Cammy Stirling, who said the school has celebrated the day for the last eight years she's worked there. "Students get to see how all these numbers are all over in their environment."
This year, the school-wide celebration featured a variety of contests. Students from kindergarten to eighth grade participated in competitions like memorizing the digits of pi, a pi art contest, a pi T-shirt contest and a pi story or poem. The winners of those contests were then able to throw pies at the school teacher or administrator of their choosing.
This year, School Director Tony Helton, Challenge Foundation Fellow Ben Butler and Physical Education Teacher Shane Galloway were the ones to put on the trash bags and wait to get pied for the sake of education and philanthropy.
To coincide with the Pi Day celebrations, the school held a canned food drive this week for Bread of Life in Brevard. The goal was to get 314 cans of food. School officials said they exceeded that goal and received 461 canned goods. Ice cream parties went to the13 classrooms, including Stirling's first graders, that collected the most cans.
Teachers got to get in on the pie action as well, Stirling said. In addition to the canned food drive, a "pennies for pasta" coin drive was held to raise money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. The three teachers who received the most money for the coin drive got seven pies, five pies or three pies, respectively, to throw at their colleagues. In the envelopes containing the coins, Stirling said students indicated which teacher they wanted to see pied in the face.
However, Stirling said that in addition to the pie fun, the day is really about finding the fun in pi.
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Brendan Flaherty , Beverly: The 6-foot-1, 185-pound back put the finishing touch on a 26-touchdown senior campaign with 175 yards rushing and a pair of TDs as the Panthers turned back Natick, 28-21, in the Division 2A Super Bowl. He teamed up with Kenny Pierce (71 yards, 2 TDs) to fuel a 347-yard ground game.
Rodolfo Jimenez, St. Mary's: The 6-foot-3, 245-pound defensive tackle recorded 10 tackles in the Spartans' 14-8 loss to Abington in the Division 4 Super Bowl. Jimenez, a junior, helped anchor a defense that allowed just 10.5 points per game this season.
Jack Sharrio , St. John's Prep: The senior QB tossed a pair of touchdown passes and ran for another as the Eagles toppled Brockton, 48-28, in the Division 1 Super Bowl.
Alex Valente , Reading: The senior back rushed for 161 yards on just eight carries — punctuated by a 99-yard gallop in the first quarter — as the Rockets rolled to the Division 2 title with a 27-7 win over Mansfield.
Jakarrie Washington , Everett: The senior capped a prolific career with a 121-yard, two-touchdown performance to lead the Crimson Tide to a 20-19 victory against Barnstable for the Division 1A title. He finished with a 1A-best 21 TDs.
Gulizia's Top 10 teams
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1. Everett (11-1); beat Barnstable, 20-19 (Div. 1A Super Bowl)
2. St. John's Prep (11-1); beat Brockton, 48-28 (Div. 1 Super Bowl)
3. Reading (13-0); beat Mansfield, 27-7 (Div. 2 Super Bowl)
4. Beverly (13-0); beat Natick, 28-21 (Div. 2A Super Bowl)
5. Andover (10-2); lost to St. John's Prep (Div. 1 playoffs)
6. Burlington (10-2); lost to Beverly, 34-21 (Div. 2A playoffs)
7. Lowell (9-2); beat Haverhill, 36-23
8. Central Catholic (9-2); lost to Andover, 22-19.
9. St. Mary's (10-2); lost to Abington, 14-8 (Div. 4 Super Bowl)
10. Lynnfield (9-3); lost to Bishop Feehan, 21-7, in D3A Super Bowl.
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Human growth hormone (HGH) is one among the many hormones your body naturally produces. HGH influences growth in that it helps encourage cell reproduction and regeneration. Athletes really like to pretend that HGH makes them more powerful. It might, but it probably doesn't. Whether it works or not, athletes should be allowed to utilize it. But banning performance enhancers is a topic already covered, so let's look at something more interesting.
As part of a thread called "The Bias Against Short Men," Andrew Sullivan's The Dish published an email by a reader struggling with a difficult question:
The doctor noticed that my son was comfortably sitting at the bottom of the growth chart and that he would most likely end up a measly 5'5" (a little more than my wife and myself). He went on to say that this could qualify as "idiopathic short stature syndrom." And that we could potentially get our son on HGH (actually, it's called rGH I think – see here) if we felt that his projected short height could affect his self-confidence and ultimately, his mental health.
Unlike HGH in athletes, HGH used to treat medical conditions has clinically observable benefits. A child given HGH treatments will have an appreciable difference in height as an adult. The reader feels inclined to give his son the treatments, while the reader's wife is appalled at the idea. When is it alright to use HGH to help your kid grow to a "normal" height? If you do "treat" a child's shortness, does that mean it's a disease? Read More


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Kristen Renn, professor of higher, adult and lifelong education at Michigan State University, will speak on "Activism and Identity: New Challenges and Opportunities for Campus and Community," Monday, Feb. 4 at 5 p.m. in Memorial Lounge, Waterman Building.
The talk, free and open to the public, is part of the Burack President's Distinguished Lecture Series.
Renn's research and teaching focus on issues of identity in higher education, including studies of mixed race identities; lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender students; and leaders of identity-based student organizations. She is currently conducting an international study of women's higher education, funded by the Spencer Foundation, which has brought her to 15 women's colleges and universities in 11 countries.
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Artichoke-Lamb Sandwich Loaves Recipe
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These tender sandwiches will surely become the talk of any get-together. Helen Hassler of Denver, Pennsylvania hollows out sourdough baguettes before filling them with cucumber, cheese and marinated lamb and artichokes. Simply delicious, the mouthwatering bites are perfect for a spring brunch.
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- 1/2 cup lemon juice
- 1/2 cup olive oil
- 6 garlic cloves, minced
- 2 tablespoons minced fresh rosemary
- 1 teaspoon salt
- 1/4 teaspoon cayenne pepper
- 1 boneless leg of lamb (2-1/2 pounds)
- 2 cans (14 ounces each) water-packed artichoke hearts, rinsed and drained
- 2/3 cup plus 6 tablespoons reduced-fat balsamic vinaigrette, divided
- 2 sourdough baguettes (1 pound each)
- 1 medium cucumber, thinly sliced
- 2 medium tomatoes, thinly sliced
- 1 package (5.3 ounces) fresh goat cheese, sliced
- In a large resealable plastic bag, combine the first six ingredients; add lamb. Seal bag and turn to coat. Refrigerate for 8 hours or overnight.
- Drain and discard marinade. Place lamb on a rack in a shallow roasting pan. Bake, uncovered, at 325° for 80-90 minutes or until meat reaches desired doneness (for medium-rare, a thermometer should read 145°; medium, 160°; well-done, 170°). Cool to room temperature. Cover and refrigerate for at least 2 hours.
- Place artichokes in a resealable plastic bag; add 2/3 cup vinaigrette. Seal bag and turn to coat; let stand for 10 minutes. Drain and discard marinade.
- Cut lamb into thin slices. Cut each baguette in half horizontally. Carefully hollow out top and bottom, leaving a 3/4-in. shell. Brush the bottom half of each loaf with 2 tablespoons vinaigrette. Layer with cucumber, tomatoes, lamb and artichokes; drizzle with remaining vinaigrette. Top with goat cheese.
- Replace bread tops and press down firmly; wrap tightly in plastic wrap. Refrigerate for at least 2 hours. Cut into slices. Yield: 24 servings.
Originally published as Artichoke-Lamb Sandwich Loaves in Light & Tasty April/May 2006, p27
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"This was very tasty, and I served it w/the Garden Shell salad from the same issue."


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Friday, October 04, 2013 6:31 pm
Bowyer finding some peace as he returns to Kansas
By DAVE SKRETTAAP Sports Writer
The Sprint Cup star and Food Network icon were filming an episode of Food Network's "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives," but they kept running into a problem: The guys working at the auto repair shop next door wanted to meet Bowyer and kept wandering into the shots.
"They had to ask all the guys next door to go back inside," BB's owner Lindsay Shannon said, "but what they did was they took the car over there and parked it in the garage, and when they were done, they got all the guys who worked for the garage and had their pictures taken with Clint."
To some, Bowyer has become a pariah, the guy who threw NASCAR into chaos with a controversial spin at Richmond last month. To those in Kansas - and those at that auto repair shop - he's still one of their own, the hometown boy who made good.
"Obviously, with what's been going on lately, it's nice to come home," Bowyer told The Associated Press on Friday. "I always love coming back here, obviously a lot of great memories, lots of friends, people who have been supporting me since my early days."
People willing to stand by him after anything.
The native of Emporia, Kan., still insists his spin at Richmond was unintentional, and NASCAR was unable to prove Bowyer was attempting to manipulate the finish. But in the court of public opinion, Bowyer was quickly found guilty of trying to get teammate Martin Truex Jr. into the Chase for the Sprint Cup championship, and he felt the repercussions everywhere he went.
One of the most popular drivers on the series, Bowyer suddenly felt strident fan animosity for the first time. Their chief complaint is that they believe Bowyer has been lying about not spinning on purpose, but if he were to admit guilt, Bowyer would be subject to NASCAR sanctions.
"It's just a ton of distraction," he said. "Ton of disappointment."
NASCAR did uncover evidence that others in Bowyer's Michael Waltrip Racing team tried to alter the outcome at Richmond to get Truex into its version of the playoffs. The result was harsh sanctions against the organization that included knocking Truex out of the Chase - in response, Truex sponsor NAPA Auto Parts said it would pull out at the end of the year.
Bowyer was left wondering whether his own sponsor, 5-Hour Energy, would bail on him at the end of the season. The company has since said it will be back next year.
"He did some things that were out of character and regrettable and he feels terrible to have any involvement in it," said Bowyer's friend, Dale Earnhardt Jr. "I know that for a fact."
Still, the distractions couldn't have come at a worse time.
After spending most of the year near the top of the standings, Bowyer went into the Chase dealing with the fallout from an incident that shook his sport to the very core. He was forced to juggle not only repairs to his reputation but also coaxing speed out of his car.
Bowyer finished a respectable ninth at Chicago to open the Chase, but wound up 17th after struggling at New Hampshire. So despite another top-10 run last week at Dover, Bowyer has fallen to eighth in the standings - 51 points adrift of leader Matt Kenseth.
"Any time you have that going in, I mean, this is big-time auto racing, this is professional," Bowyer said. "You have to be 100 percent to be a factor, to be a top-10 team, and if you have any weak link whatsoever, whether its attitudes or just head not in the game, it shows up in a big way, and I think it did those first two weekends."
Things were marginally better last weekend, where Bowyer led a lap and was in contention until the end. He finished 10th in the race, but gained a whole bunch of confidence.
"I was happy to have Dover last week," he admitted. "I saw business as usual in my race team, and I think we've shaken all of that other stuff off."
Then again, maybe not quite yet.
Bowyer struggled again during a tire test for Goodyear on Thursday, didn't improve a whole lot in practice Friday, and qualified 22nd for Sunday's race.
"Obviously, we're out of mulligans," Bowyer said. "It's been a good weekend so far, but the car is terrible. It's been good, everything except the car."


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Manchester United are preparing a £30million move for Real Madrid forward Karim Benzema this summer, according to The Sun.
The newly crowned Premier League champions are long-term admirers of the 25-year-old France international, and came close to signing him when he left Lyon in a £35million deal in 2009.
Red Devils boss Sir Alex Ferguson will advise his successor David Moyes - who takes over from the 71-year-old Scot from July 1 - to do everything possible to bring Benzema to Old Trafford.
Benzema still has two years to run on his existing contract at the Santiago Bernabeu, but like a number of other Real Madrid players, there are question marks surrounding his long-term future in Spain, given the fact that Jose Mourinho is poised to quit the capital club at the end of the season.
Earlier this month, Benzema's sgent, Karim Djaziri, quashed speculation suggesting his client will be looking to move, saying that Mourinho's predicament will have no impact on the player's future.
"I've said it before, and I will repeat it: Benzema is not leaving Madrid," he told CalcioMercato.
"The possible departure of Jose Mourinho does not change the situation. A transfer is not an option."
However, fresh reports are now circulating that Manchester United will renew interest in Benzema as soon as the transfer window reopens, and look add him to the club's fearsome forward line ahead of the 2013/14 campaign.
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Know him? If not check out the Chiefs posters he makes! They're great! During the season he makes poster from recent games. He also makes others.
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With a team score of 184.075, the Bulldogs edged out Brockport (183.425) for a third place finish. Pittsburgh (192.95) won the meet, while home team Rutgers placed second with a 190.5. Yale was led by a strong all-around performance from Alina Liao, who tied for second place with a 37.925.
The Bulldogs started on beam, where freshman Allison Mak and Liao turned in solid routines for scores of 9.575 and 9.45, respectively. On floor, Miki Seltzer once again proved her dominance in the event, tying for first with a 9.775. At the vault, the Bulldogs were solid with each member of the team landing successfully. Liao led on bars with a 9.525.
"We had our ups and downs today," said Seltzer. "Our consistency is getting a lot better but it'll take awhile to get it where we want it to be."
Pittsburgh's Andrea Arlotla won the all-around competition with a 39.125. Yale's Brigitte Kivisto finished with a 36.65 and Jessica Tai with a 35.05.
Saturday, Feb. 10, is the Bulldogs first home meet. Against Southern Connecticut, competition starts at 1 pm in the John J. Lee Amphitheater.
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CHARLOTTE – On the eve of free agency, the Panthers have tendered contracts to two players and re-signed two others.
Carolina tendered two offensive linemen – restricted free agent
Bell has played in all but one game since joining the Panthers as an undrafted free agent from New Mexico in 2011. He's made 40 starts at right tackle during his three-year career.
Scott played in 10 games with eight starts in 2013, his first year as a Panther. He started the season opener at left guard and then moved to right guard for seven starts following a season-ending injury to Williams. He suffered a knee injury versus Atlanta in Week 9 and was inactive for or did not play in the following six games.
Brockel, who was slated to become a restricted free agent, has played in 43 games with two starts in three seasons with the Panthers. He's recorded four catches for 25 yards and rushed four times for 13 yards and one touchdown. In 2013, Brockel played in 16 games and finished third on the team with six special teams tackles in addition to posting one catch for 12 yards.
Williams, who could have become an unrestricted free agent, entered the 2013 season as the Panthers' starting right guard, but he suffered a season-ending knee injury in the opener against the Seattle Seahawks. Signed by the Panthers as an undrafted rookie free agent from Kentucky in 2009, he has played in 40 games with 21 starts in five seasons. Williams has started 13 games at right tackle and eight at right guard.
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Robot Snake Could Aid Search and Rescue Operations 66
mikejuk writes "The Carnegie Mellon University Biorobotics Lab demonstrates how the snakelike robots can aid search and rescue operations in collapsed buildings. The video appeared more or less at the same time as the current real disaster in Dhaka, Bangladesh where an 8-storey building collapsed, trapping some three thousand people. Bangladesh rescue teams, helped by members of the community, have so far worked with small tools and their bare hands to bring out survivors. Having a snake robot that could provide pictures from within the building would lead to speedier and more effective rescue operations."


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Tis the season to be jolly… For me personally, Christmas is one of the most wonderful times of the year. While I am not a big fan of cold weather and snow, I do love NHL and college hockey and ice fishing.
I have many things that I am thankful for… I am lucky to blog about of the best hockey teams in the nation with best fans in the world. I would like to thank the fans.
I would also like to thank my editor Andrew Eide for giving me an opportunity to write for the Hockey Writers Combine.
Big thanks to UND's Women's Hockey SID Derek Koenen, Matt Schill and @UNDSID Jayson Hajdu for all of their help in the pressbox and after games getting us the players and coaches to interview.
Now I am going to hand out some lumps of coal.
To the University of Minnesota Head coach Don Lucia for not scheduling the University of North Dakota for at least the next four years.
A big lump of coal to the NHL and NHLPA – Unfortunately, we have no NHL Hockey because of this moronic lockout and I would like to extend a lump of coal to the NHLPA and the NHL owners. I find both equally culpable. There is also no reason they shouldn't have a deal by now. Get your butts to the conference room and get a deal hammered out. Enough is enough. Let's get this thing figured out before we lose the second full season in less than eight years.
A lump of coal to the NCAA Ice Hockey Committee for not letting the players play with the half shields – if they're good enough for the junior hockey players to wear – they should be good enough for the NCAA Division I hockey players to wear as well.
A lump of coal for the on ice officials in Division I college hockey – so far this season – I have seen some of the worst on ice officiating that I have seen for a very long time. I know it's easy to sit in the stand or watch a game on TV and pick apart the officiating but it is what it is. Almost nightly, the officials are blowing the checking from behind penalty, this needs to be called consistently, yet it's not. The level of college hockey has never been better – unfortunately, the officiating is at an all-time worst. I will be handing out lumps of coal to the NCHC if they hire any of the current WCHA officials.
A lump of coal to Brandon Veal of the Mining Gazette and his hit piece that he wrote about UND Hockey and the NCHC. Here is what UND head coach Dave Hakstol had to say about Veal's moronic and bufoonish article. "I think honestly the guys read some of the press clippings around here and I don't think they were real happy with an article that was in the paper here on Friday," Hakstol said. "There was also all these tweets and twitter and all this, that were predicting that we were going to have packed it in because of a long first half, finished for finals and a big three week break coming. I think If we needed anything extra we certainly had it there."
A lump of coal to the NHL owners for signing a bunch of player's right before the lockout and then not wanting to pay the players the full amount of the legal contracts that they agreed to pay the players. The owner of the Minnesota Wild, Craig Leipold should be ashamed of himself.
A huge lump of coal to the commissioner of the NHL Gary Bettman – just because – this is the third lockout since he has been the commissioner of the NHL and he will always go down in history as being the Lockout Commish.


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Whitney's participation could be a boon for Blago downstate
With less than eight weeks to go before the November general election, Green Party gubernatorial long shot Rich Whitney has 6 percent support among likely voters, a Chicago Tribune/WGN-TV poll released Monday finds.
Most third-party candidates pray to get 5 percent on Election Day, and it wasn't long ago that Whitney was an afterthought, relegated to the final paragraph of newspaper articles.
In some ways, then, he's ahead of the game, which explains why Illinois Democrats want to put Whitney out of commission. In July, two men, reportedly Democratic Party operatives, filed objections with the Illinois State Board of Elections, hoping to disqualify the Greens' voter petitions.
Whitney's showing in the Tribune survey, the Capitol Fax reported on Tuesday, was good enough to garner the Carbondale attorney an invitation to participate in a southern-Illinois gubernatorial debate scheduled for later this month, but Gov. Rod Blagojevich may threaten to boycott the debate if Whitney is allowed to take part.
Although conventional wisdom suggests that the Green Party, which ran Ralph Nader for president twice, will likely siphon off more votes from Blagojevich than from Republican nominee Judy Baar Topinka, Whitney's presence could work to the governor's advantage in that part of the state.
According to the Tribune poll, Topinka and Blagojevich are statistically neck and neck among downstate and independent voters, one-fifth of whom remain undecided, and, thanks in no small part to some pretty effective attack ads, the momentum right now appears to be on the side of incumbent Blagojevich.
The major-party candidates agree on social issues such as abortion and gay rights and have their work cut out for them in terms of winning over voters in traditionally more conservative parts of the state, such as southern Illinois.
Appearing onstage alongside Whitney might be one way for both Blagojevich and Topinka to accomplish this, but the move should help the governor more in the end.
Whitney has called the Iraq war "plainly illegal and immoral" and mocked a proposed constitutional amendment to prohibit gay marriage by calling for a ban on marriages between government
and corporations.
Although Blagojevich and Topinka both oppose the legalization of same-sex marriages, neither has taken a public stance on Iraq. As a congressman, however, Blagojevich cast a vote supporting the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
This summer, the World Shooting and Recreational Complex — a project Blagojevich championed, despite his also pressing for a ban on assault rifles — opened in Sparta.
If Blagojevich bucks convention and allows Whitney in the debates, it's possible that the governor will come off looking more like a centrist to undecided voters in some of the redder parts of Illinois.
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Bellator Fighting Championships will officially debut on Spike TV on Thursday night as they kick off a relationship with their new broadcast partner.
For the last few years, Bellator has bounced around looking for the right home to showcase their tournaments and title fight main events, and once the UFC exited Spike at the end of 2011, it opened the door for another promotion to swing in and keep MMA on the network.
While Bellator already has several high profile champions on their roster, many of who are ranked among the top ten fighters in the world, the man who has the best chance to become the new face of the organization competes in the main event on Thursday night.
Bellator lightweight champion Michael Chandler is a promotion's dream fighter.
Coming from a wrestling background at the University of Missouri, Chandler has a grappler's skills, but the heart of an explosive, dynamic fighter.
Undefeated through ten fights as a professional, Chandler has become one of the key components for Bellator as they look to build a bigger and wider fan base on Spike TV.
Chandler's showcase moment came in 2011 when he had arguably the fight of the year against former Bellator champion Eddie Alvarez. For just over 18 minutes, Chandler and Alvarez engaged in a true back and forth battle with each gaining the upper hand on the other at different given moments in what could only be described as true mixed martial arts at its very best.
Ultimately, Chandler was able to put Alvarez away in the fourth round with a rear naked choke to win the title, and claim his spot atop the Bellator 155lb weight class.
Now as Chandler is poised to be showcased as the first ever main event for Bellator on Spike, his mission isn't just about retaining titles and climbing in the rankings. It's about making sure every person that paid to see him compete or turned the channel to watch him fight, ends the night with their jaw on the floor and eyes wide open.
"I want to be the most exciting fighter out there. I want to build a fan base, and I want to build a following where people literally refuse to miss my fights. When they talk about some of their favorite fighters, no matter what my style is, I'm excited. That's what I want to be," Chandler told MMAWeekly Radio prior to his fight.
"I want to be exciting, I want to put on high paced fights, I want to be really hard to finish, I want to go out there and get finishes. I want to pick people up and I want to put them down. I want to take them to the deep waters and I always want there to be a lot of motion going on inside the cage. That's kind of how I train, that's kind of my mindset, that I've brought from wrestling in college."
Throughout MMA there's an unspoken philosophy that some fighters come in to win by any means necessary while others compete to truly entertain the crowd and the viewers at home. It's a delicate line because careers are sometimes made or broken based on a win or a loss, but for Chandler he just wants to make certain everyone is satisfied when one of his fights is over.
Chandler is only content when the crowd literally lives, breathes and dies with every moment in the fight and if he can give them that until it's over, he believes he's done his job.
"I want to be one of those guys were people are on the edge of their seats when they're watching me fight. That's kind of the goal and that's my goal for my whole career," said Chandler.
"I'm never going to be satisfied with decisioning a guy. I want to go out there and keep a high pace, and hopefully get a finish in every single fight."
Finish or be finished, that's Chandler's psychology and thus far it's carried him pretty far into his MMA career. If he can keep that up with the Bellator title firmly wrapped around his waist, Michael Chandler is on the cusp of becoming a serious player in the MMA world.


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8 Asphalt Valentine Concert – Deadwood Saloon – 1/20/08
So far my live music experiences in 2008, have been nothing short of a debacle. I was hoping that Sunday night would turn that trend around. It wasn't a particularly good night, to start with, as my Green Bay Packers got beat by the New York Giants in their effort to move on to the Superbowl.
Before the game ended, I headed to the Deadwood Saloon to check out Chavis recording Artist, Asphalt Valentine. The band seems to have a good start going for them in 2008. They were recently signed to Chavis Records. They will be on the road touring in support of their new record heavily this year. Their single, Strip Rock Roll is starting to hit the airwaves across the U.S. I really looked forward to this show, to see what this band was about.
Singer Joe Flynt, apparently had a touch of Bronchitis, and his vocals on Sunday night were inaudible. After the first song started, the sound guy was scrambling to find out what was wrong with the microphone and amp, but Joe wasn't able to sing loud enough for anyone to hear him. The rest of the band rocked pretty hard, but without being able to hear the vocals, it was too hard to discern how good Asphalt Valentine really was.
I am not sure why a band would choose to honor a live date when a member of the band is ill, but with Asphalt Valentine starting to tour on the national circuit, they probably don't want to acquire a bad reputation. I hope they will make good on their promise to return, so I can truly hear what they sound like, in their top form.


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SUU Men's Basketball Walk-On Tryout Information
Southern Utah University's men's basketball staff will hold walk-on tryouts for those interested in joining the Thunderbird basketball team Saturday at 1:00 p.m. in the Centrum Arena.
In order to participate in walk-on tryouts interested persons satisfy the following conditions:
- They must currently be enrolled at Southern Utah University in at least 12 credit hours.
- They must provide proof of a physical exam within the last six months, signed by a licensed physician stating they are physically fit enough to participate in basketball.
- They must provide proof of current health insurance (an insurance card).
- Any transfer from another NCAA institution must provide a copy of his release from that institution.


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At a time when the prevalence of women in country is being highly criticized, it was reassuring to witness one woman prove that they aren't going anywhere. Jana Kramer is at the top of her game and has been impacting radio waves with her new single "I Got the Boy." I have always enjoyed seeing Kramer live ever since I saw her open for Blake Shelton on the Ten Times Crazier Tour. Her performance last night blew all the previous shows out of the water. The energy she brought to The Bluestone in Columbus, Ohio was off the charts.
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I AM A Snowmaker 2014
CONGRATULATIONS TO KEN MACK OF LOON mountain, N.H.
The HKD I AM a Snowmaker award recognized six outstanding snowmakers from across the country. These snowmakers were asked to share their story--their hardships, their successes, and what it means to be a snowmaker.
SAM Asked... At what point in your snowmaking career did you have that epiphany and realize "I AM a snowmaker?" What specific challenge or obstacle tested your dedication and determination as a snowmaker and how did you surmount it? The future of the mountain resort industry lies in the hands of the snowmaker--the sky is the limit.
october 2013 Snowmaker:
Ken Mack
Resort: Loon Mountain, N.H.
Years making snow: 14
Favorite Temperature: 10° F wet bulb
Life Philosophy: Work hard, gain experience and knowledge, experiment with new ideas and tactics, and leave a positive impression wherever I go.
» Read Ken's full profile and I AM Moment
November 2013 Snowmaker:
Ray Weller
Resort: Breckenridge, CO
Years making snow: 21
Favorite Temperature: 10° F wet bulb, clear and calm.
Life Philosophy: Carpe Diem. Give 100%, help others, constantly
re-imagine life and work
» Read Ray's full profile and I AM Moment
December 2013 SNOWMAKER:
Corey Peterson
Resort: Steamboat, CO
Years making snow: 9
Favorite Temperature: 8° F wet bulb
Life Philosophy: Work hard, lead by example, be fair, think outside the box, and always search for ways to make improvements.
» Read Corey's full profile and I AM Moment
January 2014 Snowmaker:
Senath (SAM) Morrill
Resort: Sugarloaf, ME
Years making snow: 6
Favorite Temperature: 0° F Not too hot, not too cold. Perfect.
Life Philosophy: Live, love, laugh, and be happy.
» Read Sam's full profile and I AM Moment
February 2014 Snowmaker:
Jason Seal
Resort: Massanutten, VA
Years making snow: 11
Favorite Temperature: 10 degrees, or honestly, anything below 27.0 wetbulb.
Life Philosophy: Always give 110%, and be honest.
» Read Jason's full profile and I AM Moment
March 2014 SNOWMAKER:
Tim Whorl
Resort: Roundtop, PA
Years making snow: 27
Favorite Temperature: 5 degrees because that was the temperature on the day I learned to ski.
Life Philosophy: Enthusiasm is caught, not taught.
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Are you a snowmaker?
What's your I AM moment? To submit your I AM moment or nominate a fellow snowmaker for the next round of I AM awards, e-mail email@example.com