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Let's face it, your art major is never going to get you anywhere. Studying acting? Photography? Visual Art? Dance? Fashion? Animation? A plethora of other creative industry related diploma and degrees?
You know you're not an actual student.
A lady named Susan told me this the other day when I was at the grocery store. And I thought, you know what Susan, you're right. It's not like she was still bitter over the fact her parents lacked so much creativity they looked at their new born daughter and thought, "Let's call her Susan."
No, Susan offered a very valid and true opinion. My major in creative professional writing was completely useless! I should just stick to the law section of my degree!
Susan actually shares the view of our Minister of Education and Training, Simon Birmingham, who has recently cut government funding to 57 creative art courses under the Turnbull governments ongoing reforms of the tertiary sector.
Good riddance am I right? Susan and all other art major haters out there, who needs these degrees?
Birmingham stated that 'VET Student Loans will only support legitimate students to undertake worthwhile and value-for-money courses at quality training providers,' and that these courses are nothing more than, 'lifestyle choices.'
Ignoring the fact that all careers are lifestyle choices including politics and Susan's job, accounting, I, and all other art students are thrilled with these reforms!
Imagine a world where we can no longer study these things; we'll no longer have to relocate to Mars, the world would be a euphoric utopia.
Let's look at the world in 30 years time, finally free of art students through the eyes of Barry.
Barry comes home from his job as a financial adviser and walks into his beige apartment and takes off his beige suit. He places it with his other suits that have all the colour variation of black or beige or no, that's it. Remember, we took away the funding for fashion styling and design! But it's fine because Barry has no time to think about his suit colour; tonight is a big night for Barry. He is planning on proposing to his girlfriend Barbra. So he makes his way to Barbra's beige apartment with a bunch of flowers to ensure a good impression. Oh, no, wait, we cut funding for floristry design. But that's okay! It's fine, Barry has a brilliant plan for tonight. They're going to watch the ballet. Actually, no not the ballet, funding for that was cut. Actually not any kind of dance, funding was cut for that too. They decide to go to the theatre instead but, musical theatre funding was cut also and even if it wasn't they cut the funding for the live production design so there would be no set to perform on anyway and even if we overlooked that they cut the funding for screenwriting so they would have nothing to say and while we're on the topic of screenwriting the other type of screens (movies) are gone too because the funding for acting was also cut. And I'm sure at this point Barry is thinking that's fine, no actors? No worries! We'll just go see a kids movie, a cartoon one. But sorry Barry, try again, because animation was cut too. At this point Barry is running out of time so he decides that the evening can't get any less unromantic, why not just propose right here and now? So he kneels down infront of Barbra and pulls out a ring. Actually, no, not a ring because, you guessed it, jewellery and object design funding was cut too. Bad luck Barry.
I guess maybe we shouldn't have pre-determined what 'real students' were. And how cutting government funding for 'lifestyle choice' careers might impact our lifestyle choices no matter how non-creative we think we are.
Art students make incredible sacrifices. Acting students spend colossal amounts of time memorising lines and sometimes entire plays. Some take on 'method acting' and spend weeks living as an entirely different person just to perfect their character. Fashion students sew for hours on end forever pushing and creating innovative ideas so that we can wear them. So when we open our wardrobes they are filled with more than just black and beige suits. Creative writing, professional writing and scriptwriting students spend hours cultivating stories and scripts that are tens of thousands of words long and different to what we have read before. Extracting ideas from the creases and folds of our brains. Musical theatre, circus actors and stage production students are led to create careers in productions like ones you see on cruise ships. There's a lot of talk of homesickness from FIFO miners but not a word of complaint from performers who spend up to nine months on cruise ships constantly entertaining.
Art matters.
So do the people studying it and the courses teaching it. Simon Birmingham, being the minster of education does not entitle you to decide what kinds of education are important.
They all are.
For the list of the full cuts to creative courses see click here.
Inspiration taken from poet Cy Ferguson's "Art major v Derrick" to see his poem click here.
10/25/2016 07:35:40 am
Thank you Tom, it means a lot x
10/28/2016 06:51:11 pm
Inspirational, inspiring and fundamental!
10/28/2016 06:58:31 pm
Creative industry is fundamental in today's society however the government feels this is not true. Cutting funding to courses and decreasing the funding that creative students can get as they don't feel it's "worthwhile" is why we need to reevaluate the situation this country is in.
10/27/2016 05:00:41 am
This is amazing and I could not agree more, as a theatre and acting student myself, it's so good to see someone standing up for the importance of the creative industry for a change!
10/27/2016 10:23:11 am
By all means study an art degree but don't bitch and moan when you're 50 grand in debt and there's no jobs in the field for you and you end up in a dead end job.
Joann the Elder
10/27/2016 10:57:40 am
Allen: money sink? Who designed the money? Who designed the sink? Who designed the font you are reading?
Megan O
10/27/2016 01:04:48 pm
Allan, this might be news to you, but ANYONE can end up working at a job they don't like. It's not just artists. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to become a lawyer, and how many fail at that? How about all those folks who studied to be surgeons and couldn't cut it, so ended up paying their student loan debt with nursing or EMT jobs? Are those people just a money sink too, just because they didn't get what they were aiming for?
10/27/2016 06:58:45 pm
This could apply to literally any degree.
10/27/2016 07:42:35 pm
The creative industry actually employs the same amount of graduates as the financial industry and the social/care industry. There are actually an abundance of jobs in the creative field. It's just some weird urban myth that creative people are destined to be poor!
10/27/2016 10:02:14 pm
Huh... that's a rather narrowminded view of the world, and it isn't really correct either. First of all, artists - or educated artists - don't generally bitch and moan to the same extent as the uneducated do, or those with other "more valuable" educations ending up in shit jobs do.
10/27/2016 10:47:30 pm
the thing about studying an art form is that when there is no work for you, you create it. And if you don't have the ability to do that then you wouldn't/shouldn't be studying that art form anyway. An artist doesn't stop painting just because no one has ordered a piece. A writer doesn't wait until being guaranteed his piece goes to print. We are the risk takers, the music makers the dreamer of dreams! If you are able to dream it then go and chase it. And if it doesn't exist, create it. If you're a true artist you won't ever settle In a 'dead end Job'. You might use it as a means to sustain yourself par time while you spend the rest of the week create something magical. But I'd rather do that than ignore my dreams and work in an area that I have no interest in and my talents arn't utilized.
10/27/2016 11:28:05 pm
Lol. Hater
10/28/2016 01:09:41 am
I wasn't going to comment, but then I read your comment Allan, and whilst I can see the point of view you see I also see the the wider picture here.
Karyn Hitchman
10/28/2016 04:19:28 am
Er, my best friend makes over 100K.... Painting pictures, my sister in law is a renowned wood sculptor an art furniture maker, my neighbours are both artists paying their mortgage off by making art, advertising, my own art practice is earning me enough so that I don't have to ' lean toilets'.our jobs are valid, our study was/is valid.
10/28/2016 05:28:22 am
Maybe Hitler would have turned out all right if he would have had better funding for studying art. More options would have probably saved him from what he became.
10/28/2016 06:58:46 am
Mate you are seriously out of touch get your head out of your ass.
10/28/2016 08:17:17 am
People like you and comments like this are why some people end up in a dead end job, or worse, a job that requires a lot MORE hard work, in order to end up disliking it any way and always wondering what might have happened had you not been to scared to invest yourself in your own passions and dreams.
10/28/2016 08:27:47 am
Thats a whole lot of fucking shit mate! Believe it or not, it's actually made quite possible to get into the particular art industry you want to get into these days, through a degree! Art students as a whole arent pointless at all, what sort of world would we live in without creativity. Living with boring people like yourself? Fuck that! Your problem is you didn't have the drive to presue what u studied in university afterwards. Whereas most people actually have that drive and passion about what they love to make a difference and to work towards being in a worth while career. Not everyone is like you mate so don't assume all art degrees and students are pointless because they're not. Would be easy for me to say that English, history ect are pointless but people still love studying those subjects and there are possible career areas within those. Plus why is so apparently pointless when initially the government are willing to pay out millions to fund these courses?
10/28/2016 10:10:05 am
You want to know what a real money sink is? Cutting funding on departments and districts while paying administration hundreds of thousands of dollars. There are plenty of high level and impactful jobs out there like science and teaching, but the people who make the most are the ones taking administrative positions. Why cut funding in schools and teacher salaries while giving the superintendent a 60 grand raise? Why sink thousands of students into debt for college while the President makes millions? This is what a money sink really is.
10/28/2016 11:26:26 am
What narrow minded comment...you need to think more creatively. I know many people who have used their creative degrees to gain permanent employment and a solid career path. There's a lot to be said about job satisfaction. There's also a lot to be said of the skills and thinking a creative degree develops. It opens up the world in ways you obviously can't imagine.
10/28/2016 04:32:21 pm
My boyfriend was a manager at a Target by working his way up through his teenage years. He once interviewed an older man with a masters in business!! And he couldn't even obtain a position that was above my bf
10/28/2016 11:19:19 pm
Allen I'm sorry to see you attacked by all these people butt hurt that you mentioned the sad truth about their majors.
George Morgan
11/2/2016 01:16:44 am
@Jess. No it's not a myth. Just because 'creative industries' employ lots of people doesn't mean that it employs them sufficiently or lucratively. A study in 2010 found that more than half of the 44,000 self identified artists, including creative workers generally, earned more than ten thousand a year. Only 12% earned more than 50 thousand. And if you could those who work front-of-house in a theatre as creative industry workers, then you inflate people's expectations of the availability of creative work
10/28/2016 12:58:10 pm
Everyone knows that we didn't have fashion, art and music before Federal Government course subsidies were around.
10/30/2016 04:15:21 am
Oh yes, it's not like the human race had music and clothing styles, food delicacies, monuments, statues, and other such art fields in their history. Oh wait...they DID! Guess that's why ancient cultures dressed and decorated things like they did. That's why there are giant sculptures and fantastic ancient monuments decorated with beautiful imagery depicting human history in that culture!
10/25/2016 11:49:42 am
What a fantastic article - really insightful and warms my heart as a Drama grad. Much love x
10/26/2016 04:48:43 pm
Thank you, best of luck with everything! x
10/25/2016 12:19:29 pm
I think whether or not art will exist is beside the point. The real issue is that Aussies suffer from being over saturated by international content. Our government and businesses spend more money on international deals as opposed to contructing our own culture.
10/25/2016 12:57:23 pm
I understand what you are saying but I do believe that our 'own culture' is one made up of a mixture of international traditions. If we were in fact to derive back to Australia's true, original culture we would have to further educate and extrapolate on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture which, will be buried further into eradication as, you guessed it, the Diploma of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Visual Arts Industry Work is being cut under the Turnbull government reforms.
10/26/2016 07:20:22 am
Artists are the worlds rarest things. Don't you find that odd though?
10/26/2016 11:42:59 am
Get off of your high horse! What a horrible thing to say.
You've been at university what, two years? What would you know? Don't judge the industry of a particular university degree or area of work based on your knowledge, measly two years of university work. If you adopt that attitude your whole life darling, THAT will get you nowhere.
10/26/2016 10:47:14 pm
I think they're correct. If you commit yourself you will find a way.
Joann the Elder
10/27/2016 10:58:52 am
Thank you!
10/27/2016 05:38:13 pm
I love this! I have to work part time in a bar full of people that go "a degree in Acting??" Yes a fucking degree in Acting. I've had four really hard years researching, reading, learning just to be the best version of myself and achieve the best. Art is not easy, it's sleepless nights, endless rehearsals, mistakes, excitiement, nerves, no money, money, painfull but also passionate.
10/26/2016 01:34:58 pm
Ok let's substitute "art" for any other vocation here, e.g. "If you have a true calling for law, you'll find a way". Do you see how ridiculous you sound now? SMH.
10/26/2016 03:44:41 pm
How can you compare the two? most people who become artists discover their passion and their own niche well before they enter an age suitable to study at a university. As much as art can be influenced by previous artists art does not need any citations or practical studying to be something somebody does, many artists develop and evolve their craft through time and through doing as opposed to having to study 4 years of extensive learning and having to cite everything they ever do in a courtroom. Most artists strive not to be like other artists prior to them but to create their own form of art. I think you will find most even refer to it as a reflection of themselves, how could you ever possible need the same funding for the sort of thing that defends people who are helpless to defend themselves as something that brings joy to people, the reason crafts are not considered important degrees is because they are exactly that, crafts. Art history and musical history for that matter can both be important areas to study for one to find their own calling but you cannot possibly be trying to argue that somebody who saves lives (doctor), defends the weak (lawyer), establishes cities and the world around them (engineers) comes up with vacines and drugs to treat illness (paramacists) to somebody who draws on paper or paints on a canvas.
10/26/2016 07:49:04 pm
Law is one of the few things you cannot practice without a degree.
10/27/2016 09:01:26 am
totally agree with your comment...
10/27/2016 01:47:40 pm
@Hras lolwut, Engineering is an intellectual math/physics based occupation. Mechanic/carpentry are labouring jobs. Nobody completes an engineering degree to go into any of those jobs or anything even remotely similar. Those types of jobs are attained as an apprentice who learns as they work. Engineering can't be practised without a degree at all, infact for 99.999999% of people, the complex math/physics taught in an engineering degree will be impossible to learn without being taught by somebody. Lol.
10/26/2016 02:01:12 pm
I see where you're coming from however I still hold my belief it's important for these courses to stay funded for two reasons.
Tony Harrison
10/27/2016 10:34:30 am
Being in the age range of a university of the 4th age attendee, I ruminate much on the goings on of this world and in particular where our entire lives have changed so much since the 1950's.
10/26/2016 08:11:56 pm
I disagree Hras. What is valuable?
10/26/2016 08:52:34 pm
Totally agree with you Cath! And I think degrees and the communities you become involved while studying in tertiary education are really really helpful, I also thought at the start of the year that I may not even need to do my writing degree to pursue my hope of one day publishing a novel, however I am so so glad I did. My writing has developed immensely in the past year as I have studied creative and professional writing! I have been forced to try different forms, stylistics, genres and it was at times incredibly difficult and something I never would have pushed myself to do without the guidance of my tutors, lecturers and particularly other students. Would I have been able to grow into my writing style by myself? Yes. But it would have taken at lot more time and that is time I could be spending, as I am now breaking into the industry as a young writer and as a young creative.
Jason S
10/31/2016 11:03:20 am
>Art students often get involved in their community
10/27/2016 08:29:25 am
Try and find affordable studio space at 18 years old, or try and work a dead end retail job to afford such a space, only to find that the job sucks away any and all practice time (not to mention your soul in the process.)
10/27/2016 09:14:36 am
I am confused as to how you came to this conclusion as art and design is said to be the 4th most subscribed for course at university (according to the telegraph). Art school can be extremely competitive and there are hundreds of thousands of talented young people going through this system. Why would you want to push the development we've had in the arts back in time?
10/27/2016 04:09:57 pm
If you have a true calling for art you deserve the opportunity to pursue it! Everyone does. Not just those have the money to pay $13,000 upfront. In the middle of my Jewellery and Object Design studies it's been devastating to be referred to as a 'sinkhole' and losing my future in the industry when I've only just discovered the career path I love and want to pursue
10/27/2016 11:55:02 pm
You have a point. Do you really have to study to come up with art these days: an unmade bed, flickering lights, excrements in a can or a pile or bricks (real examples btw).
10/28/2016 05:03:40 pm
What a narrow minded ignorant lot they are. Don't they see that art influences every aspect of our lives. Apart from those mentioned in the article, car designers, advertising, illustration, filming, photography, product design etc etc. I don't know of an industry that can exist without art. And about jobs, many art students go on to build their own businesses, many have freelance jobs and live a much more rewarding and healthier life. Bakers, cake designers, florists, fashion designers, wedding gown designers, shoe designers, interior designers, aeronautic designers, ship designers, architects, graphic artists, advertising agencies, toy designers, photographers, model makers, illustrators etc etc. The list is endless. You don't have to paint Picassos to be considered an artist. Where or earth do they think they learn these skills? How bloody ignorant some people are. Also lets not forget history. Most of the ancient history we have is derived from art relics. It's laughable really. Just shows, people are so condition. They can't think for themselves and have no creativity whatsoever. They must be so boring!
10/28/2016 03:17:51 am
Hras: That's like saying if a surgeon, who, with his natural born ability, will somehow "find a way" to become a brilliant professional.. no schooling required. I am an artist; I've been creating and selling my work since I was a kid (obviously before university). I know I have natural talent, but I would not be remotely close to where I am without the environment, professors, and opportunities presented to me while I was getting my degree (B.A. Illustration). Raw talent isn't enough. You have to learn history, business, accounting, psychology, anatomy, educational learning, marketing, color theory, research methods, ethics, statistics, and so many other things to be a successful artist. It just doesn't happen off of raw talent. From someone who's actually living the life of a working artist, you have made an extremely ignorant statement.
10/28/2016 11:33:49 am
To become a dancer (especially in specific areas such as ballet) is difficult enough as it is. Cutting arts funding makes it extremely difficult for talented dancers not just at degree level but also at vocational school level to get the training required to reach the necessary standard to be employed. Vocational schools in any area are extremely expensive (I know from personal experience) and with cuts to arts funding talented dancers have to leave vocational schools due to lack of financial support so therefore can't secure a job in the industry. Without a well known school or training centre on your CV it is near impossible to land a job no matter how good a dancer you are simply because you don't have the right background. Saying that artists will find a way even if they don't have the money isn't correct in every case as with dance (especially ballet) where you trained has a very large impact on if/where you get employed.
11/4/2016 11:18:43 am
Too right. I quit my Fine Arts Degree, when realising 90% of the students were on disability/mental pensions claiming the extra benefits available for studying, anything...
Rhys Tucker
10/26/2016 12:03:57 pm
Hey :) I have a couple of qualms with the flow of logic in your write up that I'd like the chance to discuss with you or any of the other commenters on this thread. Do you mind if I start a dialogue?
10/26/2016 01:00:09 pm
Go for it.
10/26/2016 02:08:23 pm
This is so misinformed 😂 this reform is trying to stop illegitimate teaching so called institutions giving vet-help debts to unsuspecting people. There are hundreds of institutions that are stealing from the government and making the taxpayers pay their debt they didn't know they signed up for. I've seen so many people first hand be told they have vet-help debts of thousands of dollars for a course they never started or went to a single class. They believed they were just signing up for brochures and instead get hefty debts. This reform is trying to cut out these institutions so people who actually want to develop their skills can do so through legitimate institutions. Imagine the extra vet help the government could provide to all types of education if they weren't giving money to illegitimate ones. And vet stands for vocational education training, it doesn't even effect your art degrees, degrees you get from a university rather than a training institution. If you are getting your art degree from a government recognised university you get a help debt not a vet-help debt so you would not be affected byvthis redorm. Art majors generally pay a fraction of the cost for your degrees than most other faculties anyway.
10/26/2016 05:11:37 pm
Hey, totally understand what you're talking about, the Department of Education has just announced for the first time that some students will have their debts cancelled after the Government was able to recover money from training providers rorting student loans. However what I'm talking about is slightly divergent although they do overlap in the sense that both are part of the VET scheme. But, if the Turnbull government was just cutting these 57 courses purely to protect people from being scammed they would've said that. They didn't. They simply shamed people taking these courses into believing they were wasting their own and other people's money by not being 'legitimate students'. I do believe they are attempting to cull the amount of people unfortunately being scammed however I think they could better resolve this issue rather than just simply cutting the courses.
10/27/2016 08:00:33 am
I happen to be taking one of those courses deemed a lifestyle choice, and at a institution that is well respected both within industry, also globally. Melbourne Polytechnic (formally NMIT) in Melbourne goes head on head with RMIT & Monash Jewellery Design programs ( which are True Arts program with no real bench time & advanced techniques) and normally exceeds these and other institutions, yet it seems they and the offered program are tarred with the taints of other institutions who are shonky. Students who attend Melbourne Polytechnic go through a vetting process to gain placement, at the end of the course you can go onto to being a apprentice jeweller (fine/traditional jewellery), start your own business, travel and learn more both locally and overseas, such is the respect accorded to the school and the program outcomes they deliver, that institutions overseas refer students to the program. But hey, jewellery design and manufacture is a lifestyle choice not a business outcome. This is an attack on Arts not shonky providers, if it were, why aren't the institutions being targeted rather than the courses?!?!
10/27/2016 09:18:25 pm
"this reform is trying to stop illegitimate teaching so called institutions giving vet-help debts to unsuspecting people"
10/26/2016 02:25:44 pm
As someone who studied dance pre-professionally for many years, I understand why funding for SOME courses is being cut. There is a huge misconception across Australia that these cuts mean the end for our creative and performing arts. This is simply not the case and people would do well to examine the list of courses for which funding is being cut.
10/26/2016 05:01:30 pm
Of course I totally understand what you are saying! And I understand that the government does not have the funds to pour into endless diplomas of arts however I do still believe that 57 cut courses is not only excessive but also renders art as something that isn't valuable to our society. I also agree with your statement that many schools are offering illegitimate and non-worthwhile teaching, but I do not believe that just cutting the courses is the answer, surely there is a more proactive step we can take that both preserves the course as well as protects people from begin scammed.
10/26/2016 11:13:31 pm
10 points for having open comments, Ivy
10/26/2016 02:53:48 pm
Fashion, ballet, theatre, jewellery, floral bouquets, and other creative pursuits existed long before the bureaucracy of government started funding it, and even if government funding went to zero, these careers would still be around. People will still want to see plays and the ballet, buy nice bunches of flowers, and buy jewellery for friends and partners.
10/27/2016 01:37:58 pm
Llew, I don't mean to be inflammatory, but this is a kind of hippy-dippy argument. I'm just going to go through and reply in order of your paragraphs, because there's a lot to unpack here.
10/27/2016 01:47:04 pm
(sorry - got cut off)
10/30/2016 03:06:06 pm
It wouldnt let me reply to the second comment for some reason so ill reply to this one.
10/30/2016 03:09:10 pm
(haha it did the same thing to me, only missed a couple of line though)
10/26/2016 04:41:48 pm
Music is art too, just because it isn't physical does not mean it doesn't exist.
10/26/2016 05:52:17 pm
The logical fallacy being argued here is that artists spring out of the ground fully formed and can persevere until they prosper in their chosen art form. Some talent is needed as a starting point, but most creative artists devote thousands of hours in training and/or practice before they reach a professional standard. This takes time and money, in many cases courtesy of generous and understanding parents. Not all artists want to go to university, and very few have rich parents. VET training is a practical, viable alternative and the government has just defunded most of it. Also, those few extremely talented people who rise to the top of their field do so in the context of a much larger pool of hard working artists. By devaluing arts education we dissuade people from entering this talent pool in the first place. Arguing that only the 'best ' should get funding ignores the different paths people take and the way career goals change and mature. For example, a dancer may never achieve their desired performance goals, but they may end up as a brilliant teacher. If their training is cut short by a government edict, that opportunity is lost forever. Do we want to live in a world where only the rich can afford to pursue a creative life?
10/27/2016 01:49:53 pm
Hear, hear.
10/26/2016 07:11:04 pm
Screw you Susan!
10/26/2016 07:19:47 pm
Just because there isn't a course to study it, doesn't mean there won't be demand for the product or service. Creative work will always exist.
10/26/2016 08:08:29 pm
Totally agree! However degrees are really really helpful, I also thought at the start of the year that I may not even need to do my writing degree to pursue my hope of one day publishing a novel, however I am so so glad I did. My writing has developed immensely in the past year as I have studied creative and professional writing! I have been forced to try different forms, stylistics, genres and it was at times incredibly difficult and something I never would have pushed myself to do without the guidance of my tutors and lecturers. Would I have been able to grow into my writing style by myself? Yes. But it would have taken at lot more time and that is time I could be spending, as I am now breaking into the industry as a young writer and as a young creative.
10/26/2016 07:40:19 pm
Whilst I agree that governments are out of touch when it comes to policy making in the direct context of University funding they are 'trying' to make everyone happy. But what you have to consider is that they're not cutting art funding because it's worthless, they're cutting it because it's the first on the list of things to be cut.
10/26/2016 07:51:42 pm
I fully understand what you're saying but like you said the stigma that surrounds art degree's is something that we should be angry about. And these cuts under the tertiary reforms are contributing to this! Art may be in less demand but there is no denying that the vacancies in engineering are declining also, vacancies for engineers tracked worse than general vacancies and professional vacancies in May as demonstrated in vacancies fell -1.8% in May, following on from falls in the previous two months of -1.3% in April, and -0.5% in March.
Hey Ivy, excellent article here. You are fabulous writer. We agree with you on this one. Underlying these cuts is a very urgent issue that needs to be made known. That is, the overall attitudes that politicians and people in power have towards the visual and creative arts, as well as the liberal arts. And you're right. By cutting funds to these degrees, which is a pretty much clear statement: "Let's cut the arts first because it doesn't contribute to the Science and Innovation Agenda, or whatever the agenda is today", it's no doubt feeding into the problem of stigmatisation - the attitudes of people in power will inevitably trickle down. Not only is this dangerous, but it's thwarting on the livelihood of MANY people, our culture, and, yes, democracy.
10/27/2016 01:03:05 am
In Australia the creative industries are larger then the agriculture industry and growing at more then twice the rate per annum. By the minister's own logic, agriculture courses should be on the chopping block before creative industries courses. These policies and the arguments in favor of cuts lack one basic requirement - that they are based on hard evidence.
10/27/2016 01:44:39 am
An inconvenient truth.... http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/culture-industry-contributes-86-billion-a-year-to-australian-gdp-20140212-32i92.html
Ken M
10/26/2016 08:16:32 pm
My son graduated from art school and he makes almost 300 dollers a week drawing strangers on the subway station. Make America great again, lets all email donald trump and lets make art a compulsor for education
Donald Trum
10/26/2016 11:50:55 pm
Great idea Ken. Your son is an inspiration. Tremendous idea, really. I have friends who are artists, great people, really very good people.
10/26/2016 08:28:30 pm
This is awesome
10/26/2016 08:51:16 pm
Amen Ivy! I graduate year 12 in less than a month I believe I am a creative soul. Such creativity requires the design process, one that can be implemented into all sorts of pathway. Keep up the writing
10/26/2016 09:30:44 pm
Hello, you are a very pretty young lady
10/26/2016 10:05:07 pm
This article just proves that anyone can be a writer. You don't need a formal education let alone a clue. :)
10/26/2016 10:42:40 pm
seems like 12,000 people don't agree with you?? :))
10/26/2016 11:02:31 pm
Learn Argumentum ad populum
10/26/2016 11:07:14 pm
No bandwagon fallacy here Michael, just the truth xx
10/26/2016 11:12:26 pm
Jen, those 12,000 people are proving my point
10/26/2016 10:25:32 pm
Get a job hippies
Fuck You
10/26/2016 10:46:36 pm
and what might you be? Plumber? Electrician? Builder? Go do your job and leave us "hippies" to stand up for our passions. Just like you would if yours was being targeted.
Samme Mfeka
10/26/2016 10:28:26 pm
Wow! This is amazing. Posts like these make me happy. I totally support what you've said and everyone needs to know about this! I wish you well in pursuing what you love and everything you do 😊
10/26/2016 10:33:32 pm
Wow! What an argument! I see both sides. I personally know of some "permanent, life long" arts students who somehow manage to go from one institution to another institution of study in the Arts. How do they manage to do this? How can they afford that? I assume they play the welfare system as well as have government educational support. From what I have seen and heard these "permanent" Art students do not end up being able to fully support themselves financially so they again somehow manage to rely on government support. There are many Arts students who finish a degree in their field of study who become self supporting, self funded inspiring members of our society. On another side, how many fully qualified engineers, computer programmers and over- qualified professionals who also received government support while studying are now for a large chunks of time without employment? Maybe the incentive could be that Arts and other courses stay supported financially by the government so those who do wish to extend themselves further by studying can do so bit focus more on cutting government funding to life long welfare recipients who actually can work and are able to work but choose not to! - a fellow Art Student .
10/26/2016 10:42:01 pm
I personally study Fashion Design and constantly get treated like it's not a real course or it's not important. I love that someone's finally sticking up for designers and art students. Such a wonderful way you set up your piece. You are clearly very talented at creative writing and I hope you stick by it. Thanks for standing up for the rest of us.
10/26/2016 11:25:52 pm
Surely you could simply be an apprentice tailor and then just get creative... you know, because you are probably so creative.
10/27/2016 12:44:03 am
Bro do you get a rise out of shaming people for their passions and choices, like what the fuck do you do mate
10/27/2016 07:42:34 am
Jen, I'm an artist ;)
10/26/2016 11:31:12 pm
I work in property development, my company is making huge waves about innovation and creative ideas. Apparently I am one of the most creative people in the office. I have only worked for this corporate company for 14 months before that i was a full time professional singer for 15 years and then a music teacher for 10. Arts of all forms are so important, only a non creative would seek to shut it down. Creative mindsets must be nurtured and encouraged. The more the merrier!
10/27/2016 12:04:31 am
Also (sorry I'm writing my thesis on this very topic so I'm compelled to correct the ignorant) the funding was cut to courses that have been endorsed by the federal govt for decades.
10/26/2016 11:58:34 pm
Anyone who thinks that you don't need a degree to become a professional artist of any form does not know a thing about the current climate of the arts industry. It's as competitive and the education is as necessary as any other field of study.
10/27/2016 12:36:44 am
Fantastic read, good to see a nice piece lashing back against the funding cuts.
10/27/2016 01:53:44 am
Great blog post!
10/27/2016 06:17:48 am
Unfortunately this government is narrow minded and inaccessible.
This is the best and most relatable thing I've ever read ❤ I love you for pointing this out 👑
Louise Latham
10/27/2016 06:59:47 am
The wealthy will always have the time and the money for the arts. It isn't that they don't think it's important. The working class get pushed further out of the industries by not being offered the opportunity to explore it in education and then pushed into non creative jobs without autonomy. Creating art is all about questioning and that isn't really any use to churning out a compliant workforce. They feed it into us that it's an indulgence (when why the heck should we get any less right to have substance our lives?) whilst In the mean time the wealthier will still be able to be educated in the arts in private schools and then progress into artistic careers and so the arts become more and more by the rich for the rich
Laura Sturrock
10/27/2016 07:44:12 am
Art is what makes life worth living. It is what gives our meaningless insignificant existences meaning. It is what makes humans human and expresses what the soul cannot express in any other way. Art allows us freedom in an increasingly frustrating, mundane and emotionally vacuous society - without art we have no real life - simply an existence of repetitive actions with no purpose. Long live art. Long live life! Keep creating artists and make our world a more interesting, challenging and fulfilling place to be. X
10/27/2016 08:29:20 am
Great article, and dare I say very CREATIVE of you to envisage the future without art. Poor Barry.
10/27/2016 12:03:15 pm
Reading about the world in 30 years time, free of art student through the eyes of Barry was very eye opening.
10/27/2016 01:16:37 pm
The arts is a hobby which some happen to make a living from. It's no different to being a professional sport star, gamer or anyone else who makes a living in the entertainment industry. None of the other jobs which fall into this category even have university degree's backing them. Those types of jobs don't need them.
10/27/2016 02:15:01 pm
Even as a math and computer science double major, I don't think I can applaud enough the concerns you raise so succinctly in your vision of a hypothetical future without the arts. You're absolutely correct that the arts have an intrinsic value worth funding and pursuing. The world, as you illustrate, would be quite bleak if Karl Lagerfeld and Raf Simons hadn't studied, respectively, drawing and design; or if Warhol hadn't studied commercial art, or Eric Whitacre composition. The Sidney Opera House, likely the most architecturally distinct structure in Australia, would not exist had Jorn Utzon not studied at the Danish Academy of Fine Arts. Aside from the multitudinous reasons why art is worth studying for its own sake, scientific disciplines would also suffer without artistic influence. To give a concrete example, origami is being used to inform how to fold lenses for newer, better orbital telescopes that will improve on the Hubble and has inspired medical stents and improved airbag technology. Beyond this, I cannot begin to stress the similarities between thinking about higher level mathematics and sciences and creating art. It is no coincidence that Nobel Laureates in the sciences are more than 7 times more likely to have a creative hobby than the average Sigma Xi (science honors society) member. When approaching a particularly challenging math proof or an especially perplexing economic quirk, it's important to be mentally malleable, thinking flexibly about all tools (in math, theorems) available and all possible approaches. That mental flexibility can't exist without some background or experience in the arts. Regardless of how meaningful the arts are in relation to hard science, I only discuss this as a helpful way to debate and question leaders like Birmingham, who dismiss the arts' intrinsic value. We must begin to recognize once more the value of artistic excellence as a commendable pursuit by itself, independent of the sciences. The arts and sciences are equally important manifestations of the human urge to create, and they must be afforded equal value. If you're ever in New York and want to grab coffee, let me know -- you seem thoughtful/interesting.
10/27/2016 02:49:04 pm
I have a suggestion...
10/27/2016 04:05:24 pm
Do you feel validated by tearing down an 18 year old girl who is expressing her opinion on her own personal blog?? Get a life dude
10/27/2016 04:10:29 pm
I lost brain cells reading this. You don't need to go to school for these things. Your education is not equal to a stem student's education if all its teaching you is to add color to "beige suits" and a "beige room". Any idiot with a coloring book would be more creative than that. You don't need a four year florist degree to pick out a bunch of goddamned flowers. People are more self sufficient than that. Your arts degree is certainly getting you no where if this is all you came up with. Not at all engaging. I was hoping this piece would challenge my perspective but I just ended up laughing at it.
10/27/2016 04:38:49 pm
Emma P.
10/29/2016 03:14:46 am
Ok, let me help. I'm from the US so I'm not sure about how your government subsidizes courses- sounds like a dream come true to me actually. But I do know about art. At least in the US, art schools are actually safe havens for knowledge that new technology has outdated. Screen printing, lithography and intaglio used to be big business because they were how we reproduced images. Now digital printing- which is based on these centuries-old traditions- has supplanted them in the wider world. In fact, technological advances have supplanted a whole ancient class of craftsmen who dedicated their lives to perfecting stone carving, wood working, painting and the like (the only trades I know of who still make a decent of at it outside of the arts field are building related, like carpentry, but even they are having a hard time preserving some of the old skill sets. And every architect will tell you we don't build houses nearly as well as we used to. Unless you spend a ton of money, we don't really make things to last anymore.) It is faster and cheaper, but not necessarily better. The new digital and mass produced alternatives can't do a lot of what the old analogue can, and unlike academic knowledge that can be written down, a lot of the nuances of these skills can only be learned through experience. Art schools in the US have actually become incredibly important in preserving these skills for future generations- something that becomes increasingly important when you realize that what they are really doing is preserving expertise. Art schools in the US are increasing working to utilize these deep and tradition-laden pools of expertise and apply them to the contemporary world. So that's one important function that art schools are doing for society. We've also gotten to the point with digital technology where the problem is not developing capabilities, it is coming up with ideas. And this is another thing that art schools do- they teach you how to imagine, and how to bring your own ideas into reality. This sounds stupid until you realize that the reason almost every business that makes products employs designers isn't because they just want to throw away money, it's because very few people actually have that skill set. How many people you know could take a problem from you, come up with a product that solves it, create multiple sketches of that product and produce a working and reproducible prototype within a week? I know several hundred because I go to one of the best art and design schools in the US. But out in the real world, it is very hard to find these people. And yes, we also do make a lot of useless things. I specialize in portraiture, a field photography killed a good hundred years ago. But i can do things that a lot of people think are magic because these skill sets are dying out, the knowledge is dying out and we are losing these ways of understanding and seeing the world. At least our extavagances are meant to make people smile, to make the world a better place. In the end art is about preserving old techniques and bringing new things into the world that never existed before. And despite what they tell you, that's pretty essential to progress.
10/27/2016 04:49:00 pm
So good. Not a real student my ass.
Joe Rhys
10/27/2016 05:53:39 pm
Very judgmental, Susan's entitled to her opinion, I personally know people who have a degree in art subjects but have gone nowhere with it, some world famous actors/performers have got to the top as their actually talented and haven't even been to university or talent schools
10/27/2016 06:36:22 pm
No no no no no.
10/27/2016 07:55:53 pm
Finding a job from stemming from your university course can be really hard in ANY course. I'm not arguing that people aren't going to have difficulty finding a job from their creative art course, I'm posing the question why although 69% of creative art students struggle to find full time jobs of their choice the rest of the, much higher rates are not also suffering cuts to the same extent. 77% of environmental study students, 70% of health courses students, 73% of languages, psychology, paralegal studies and social work students and 82% of science students ALL reported having difficulties finding jobs from their uni courses. All of these rates are FAR higher than the arts programs that are being subjected to SIGNIFICANT cuts.
10/27/2016 06:53:27 pm
Totally right! Thought it was going to be one of those 'arts degrees are of no use' type articles but then the tables turned!. also I wonder how many people doing a history degree go on to be historians. Of course we need the arts and arts education. But like every other student studying a variety of subjects not everyone will be lucky enough to work in the subject they studied, including law! So why single out the Arts.
10/31/2016 02:42:33 am
Not sure about there but over here a history degree is often used as a precursor to a law degree.
Bravo!! I have encountered these types of people my whole life, and imagine their reactions when I decided to study writing and broadcasting at the London College of Fashion!! Anyway, I just wanted to say this piece is fabulous, and it so simply demonstrates how we all benefit from creativity.
10/27/2016 07:53:43 pm
Incredibly well written article X
10/27/2016 08:06:34 pm
Clearly a 'major in creative professional writing' does not instruct one in how to punctuate sentences, form paragraphs or attribute quotes.
10/27/2016 08:13:38 pm
That's why I am going to university! Unfortunately under the Turnbull government a lot of students won't have the same opportunity as I do.
10/27/2016 08:14:09 pm
I've seen so many comments on here about arts students not doing anything with their degrees or not finding jobs, but that happens in EVERY degree and there are plenty of university graduates who don't/can't find work after graduating. I think the point Ivy is trying to make is that the government has specifically said that basically, those who want to pursue careers in the arts aren't real students and don't deserve the same treatment as those who pursue other forms of education. I wholeheartedly believe that anyone should be able to pursue higher education in the field of their choosing, and cuts to education of any kind isn't the right way to go. Formal education is valuable and while it may not be a necessary requirement to land a job in these fields, it can seriously improve and help a student grow in ways they otherwise couldn't. I totally get that for some people, they just get it and they have that talent right off the bat, but for others a talent needs to grow and thrive under professionals and people who can guide them and their career choices.
Steve Kelsey
10/27/2016 08:15:24 pm
Lots of opinion. Here are some facts. The creative industry generated around £80 billion turnover in the UK in 2015. That's more than 'proper' businesses like insurance and pharmaceuticals. This stupid decision will damage the economy
10/27/2016 08:30:44 pm
Exactly! To put in perspective within Australia, the creative and cultural industry ejects more than $86 billion annually into the national economy. Leading figures are saying that the non-surprising contribution could help make up for other economy struggles such as the recent losses in the car manufacturing industry.
10/27/2016 08:23:37 pm
By insulting Susan and Barry, the people who might buy your art, go to your shows or vote to pay their taxes towards art courses, you do yourself no favours. Surprised your writing course didn't teach you that insulting your audience is not the best way of persuading them.
10/27/2016 08:34:45 pm
Barry, as I have stated multiple times is a hyperbole. I do not actually believe that all art in 30 years will be wiped out. He is also not a real person, I'm sure his feelings will recover as they don't actually exist. As for Susan, who rudely insulted my degree to my face, unprovoked? I think she can take an insult to her name.
10/27/2016 08:44:38 pm
tommy gal
10/27/2016 11:08:06 pm
i love tom too, on ya tom.
10/27/2016 08:40:47 pm
I feel your pain, as funding to environmental sciences has been badly cut as well, though at least for us people can see the importance in our work, truly a shame more people don't see the value of the arts, all arts. Keep up the fight!
10/27/2016 08:45:22 pm
Hi Ivy, replying here from the sunny south of England. This article is great- as a 20 year old marketeer without a degree I often wonder why degrees in my field are in fact necessary but have never thought this about creative degrees, particularly acting- the only qualifications with substance I have are in Performing arts and although I might not be on the West End or Broadway- acting promotes confidence, the ability to communicate and the learning of being in someone elses shoes- all really really positive and important attributes for all jobs! Someone with a creative flair will flourish in any organisation be it, the role they sat out to be in or a job like Barrys'. Thanks Ivy. M x
10/27/2016 09:06:33 pm
Brilliant put Ivy, Thank you for that piece,
Jenny (science student)
10/27/2016 09:49:29 pm
While I agree in principle that we shouldn't cut arts funding I feel like the hypothetical situation described about is absolute nonsense. If you cut all fashion design courses that doesn't mean you will have no fashion designers, if you cut arts courses you won't have no artists.
10/27/2016 10:03:56 pm
Hey! As I have explained before Barry and his world is simply a hyperbole. And as I have also explained before you do not need a degree to pursue a career in any sort of art, however I still hold my belief it's important for these courses to stay funded.
10/27/2016 10:14:44 pm
Though the message is valid, there is great value in creative subjects, the truth is that for 90% of them there is no need for university based study. These thungs were still cultivated before and deffinitely will be without
10/27/2016 11:24:18 pm
The spelling budget has been cut too
10/27/2016 10:32:16 pm
As a fellow "Arts" person that has written above, I find it interesting that the government still does not seem at all concerned about the multitude of people that are draining the government and tax payers money by spending the majority of their life on the dole by choice, not because these people cannot work or study but because they prefer to have things handed to them on a plate rather then working or studying! Nothing against those who legitimately NEED welfare....but those who choose to stay reliant on welfare. The government could save a pretty penny this way rather then cutting funding to creative courses. As a fellow creative, who has always flourished in Visual Arts and Drama since a child, any skills and talent I may have would be seen as not important and not worth spending money on and therefore through the eyes of the government, not worth investing in funding to support the extension and support the development of my only true qualities
10/27/2016 11:01:35 pm
The model society I am structuring is a hyperbole.
10/31/2016 02:23:07 am
But you're spending other people's money for that degree and they don't feel they're getting value from it, and that is certainly not hyperbole.
10/27/2016 11:05:13 pm
This article has to be the worst thing I've ever read and you have to be the most unattractive art student I've ever seen. Feminism trash.
10/27/2016 11:22:07 pm
Susan must have been a Brexit voter
10/27/2016 11:48:42 pm
It's a lifestyle choice. I followed my passion and studied art history. Career prospects: zero. That's why I decided to go into advertising, a nice mixture between creativity and business. That decision was frowned upon by fellow students. As an art historian you're not supposed to make a career but to complain about the lack of funds in museums. I believe there's also the art of making money. Ask Warhol and Picasso. I've been living in Beirut, Cairo, Dubai, Casablanca and Kuala Lumpur making ads, traveling from shoot to shoot. I've recently started my blog: tapirtales.com - so yeah, studying art history was a choice. And I like the lifestyle that came with it. Should I have studied law - nahhhh.
10/27/2016 11:59:02 pm
It's not just about the title of the degree....it's about the transferable skills acquired through a level of study. Holding both artistic and academic degrees in completely contrasting subjects, the skills acquired from each are fundamental to my (completely different to either of the subjects which I studied) job that I do today.
10/28/2016 12:01:49 am
Fair but the vast majority of these professions are irrelevant to their degrees... How many movie actors have degrees in acting? Ballet has only been a course in the late 20th and 21st century most ballerinas don't have a degree in it but rather took lesions outside of whatever else they where doing... Jewelry design is something one does an apprenticeship for and acquires a craftsmanship for. Color is not just going to disappear.. One can study art all they want but you're either good at it or not.
I hate it when people comment on any aspect of how you should live your life. I was not lucky enough to find my artistic side when I was studying, and didn't do any study past the age of 16. I am now really into my photography and would love to make a full time career out of it. We use and see art and are enriched by it every day. Adverts, music, posters, fashion, writing, TV & film, photography and dance without any of these things our lives would be drab and we would not know what it is to associate these things with feelings like joy, love and even hate ( some music in particular for me haha). Great article here and keep on writing
10/28/2016 12:21:47 am
Punctuation... Also, you don't need to keep such a presumptuous and judgmental tone to make a valid point.
10/28/2016 01:24:31 am
Excellent and humorous article, I think the lack of encouragement in the arts is what is beginning to cause a great amount of self-doubt and insecurities in young adults on the verge of leaving compulsory education as there is a huge lack of acceptance and assurance. Hence why people are lead further towards banking careers and management, which undoubtedly causes a lack of individuality and compassion in workers as people.
Steve Kelsey
10/28/2016 01:43:21 am
One aspect that I find alarming about this action is that it assumes creativity has no value. Companies are constantly searching for new products and services, new solutions to problems, new means of manufacture, new applications of new technology invented or aquired for all markets and all forms of endeavour. The source of all these profitable deliveries is creativity. How can 'rationalists' not see the immense economic value that creativity delivers every day?
10/28/2016 02:46:55 am
I have a BFA, and an MFA, worked out well so far, I am now 70+. Never received a W2 except when teaching from time to time. Freelanced, owned creative businesses, had fun. No one can tell you what will make you happy.
10/28/2016 03:28:19 am
it gets you out of going to work for 4 years, lets you play with clay, lets you get a score for saying 'fuck off you cunts' in arty ways and gives you a gravitas when you spout bollox about all things arty
10/28/2016 03:55:52 am
This was such a good read. I half expected a vice styled article, you know, explaining in a nihilistic but edgy tone how all us creatives are doomed. Part of me wanted that actually, part of me wanted to wallow in my dimly lit lounge hugging my degree before going to my shitty part time job in bar. I'm glad I came out of this experience feeling more productive!!
I feel like it's not a fair or effective method of counter argument to make sweeping statements that everyone doing non-art degrees is boring and has beige coloured walls with no colour in their wardrobe. I actually agree with you that art degrees are important and should be protected but you shouldn't lower yourself to others levels with stereotypes like this to defend your point.
10/28/2016 05:11:45 am
I have a friend who got a visual arts degree and is now a Senior Art Director for a major NYC firm. It is OBSCENE how much money he makes....literally rolling in cash. It goes without saying that getting an engineering degree or a medical degree provides a much more direct and likely path to financial security/success, you are not ipso facto going to be living in a shoe if you get an arts degree. It's just harder.
10/28/2016 05:25:53 am
I do find this interesting, although, science and technology are more important for the advancements of humanity and everyday life as art cannot run without the aid of science and technology.
10/29/2016 09:12:07 pm
and science and technology cannot run without the aid of art, all are important
This is incredible, It's fantastic to see someone not only supporting the Arts, but supporting them with a valid and legitimate argument that addresses serious issues that we are faced with. As an actor myself I notice both the struggles we face and the stigma around what we do, and have experienced them first hand and don't doubt I will continue to do so.
Dominic Wolfe
10/28/2016 08:13:13 am
I never post comments on these sort of things but I just had to with this one. I absolutely loved this! To be honest I am not sure where I would be without art.
I've never read anything that connects to me so much like this does. Currently I'm in this state of trying to figure out what I want to do for my Year 12 Body of Work as we are starting the process next year. This post has completely inspired me as to exactly what I want to do and the concepts that I want to create about and I wanted to thank you for that.
Great article and comments, thanks. As far as I can see they aren't cutting the actual courses just the funding which means the majority of the people who will be able to afford to do these are those with parental or other funding, ie, the wealthy, it's developing a system whereby the wealthy as well as being the consumers will also be the providers of culture - potentially a very one sided view of the world. I've been supporting myself as an artist for my adult life, it is not easy but living on the bones is a fair trade off for living a creative life and being master of my own ship. Without funding it would have been impossible to attain my degree simple as that. The issue of tafe courses being obliterated is another thing, the erosion of the entire system of arts production in this country is vandalism and will be sorely regretted in years to come. The tafe system provided the craft education that cultural production needs, we are doomed to low quality badly produced art works, produced by uneducated amateurs without it. On the subject of 'no work in the arts' yes, I agree it's a limited market for coal face art production however there are many related fields and applications where 'art thinking' is an asset. My classmates from university who aren't producing actual art works have entered their chosen professions, arts related or not, with an alternative way of thinking that no other training offers and that is what we need in the world. An education in the arts is more than an education for a hobby, it is an education for a richer life both for those who choose the path and for those who come in to contact with anything to do with creativity, which is everyone.
paloma jordan
10/28/2016 10:59:45 am
they should make special tv shows and clothes and theatre performances and furniture just for the minister of education that are all really crappy and she by law has to use them because she does not deem them to be useful, and merely a lifestyle choice.
10/28/2016 12:09:56 pm
Show me the job applications in the art that don't require a degree? I've never seen one. Perhaps some of us can trade on reputations from past work history but that certainly is not the case for any young person.
10/28/2016 12:59:57 pm
I agree, art degree's are a lot more competitive than people outside the industry often think.
10/28/2016 01:51:01 pm
Ironic that your website is beige and drab, much like the writing in your post.
10/28/2016 01:55:45 pm
Alright just because people throw shade at people with art degrees doesn't give you the right to start throwing shade at people with more practical degrees such as law and business. People always think that those who go into sciences and business are 'dull' and 'boring' and 'dispassionate' but just like you adore painting, dancing, singing and literature or whatever it doesn't mean those who don't share the same views are ignorant and narrow-minded. In fact, a lot of people who study math, science, business and whatnot are EXTREMELY passionate about it. Just like you go to your art show or singing competition, these people go to business competitions, and not just because they want to build their resume, but because they ENJOY it. A lot of financial advisors, accountants, computer programmers, lawyers etc. when asked what they love about their job DO NOT say because it puts food on the table but come up with legitimate reasons such as 'there is a story behind every number' and 'solving equations is their passion' or 'it makes me smile to know I'm saving someone's life". Just because you find numbers, computers and what not boring does not mean everyone else does just like how you don't think your art degree is going to waste just as many other people do.
10/28/2016 09:24:06 pm
Not sure if you read the article but I study law. Not throwing shade at anyone. I appreciate that every job contributes to society, all I'm asking is that our minister of education does the same.
10/28/2016 08:32:03 pm
What a terrible article.
10/28/2016 08:32:32 pm
Couldn't agree more.
10/28/2016 08:34:16 pm
Loved this article!
11/4/2016 12:30:25 pm
Go for it! Check out Cy Ferguson's "Art Major V Derrick poem" as that's where the inspiration came from!! It might better help your students! Send my good luck from Australia to all your art students! x
Hi Everyone, I'm Barry.
10/28/2016 10:53:12 pm
Great article! BUT...Seriously, not one mention of musicians/songwriters/producers/recording engineers? Musical theater came to mind before music? What songs would Barry play, what would they listen to as he proposed?
10/29/2016 12:03:39 am
I world without creative people would be alike to the world described in 1984 by George Orwell!
10/29/2016 02:37:32 am
You are making the perfect example for what the actual problem is and also why cutting the funding is the only right thing to do. And it also explains why a lot of people don't think of most art majors as worthwhile studies.
It seems to me that many fields of endeavour look easy from the outside. Nothing worth doing is ever easy. Hard is good. Earning a degree in any subject is well earned, taking dedication and tenacity. Surely that is the true worth, and what should inform potential employers of any post grad.
10/29/2016 08:46:09 am
Can i be your best friend? I live in india and this is a daily struggle for me
Dickus Humongus
10/29/2016 02:57:47 pm
I think arts important. Cultural outputs are one of the most important things a nation can do.
10/29/2016 03:01:38 pm
You're coming at this with a all or nothing attitude. We NEED artists that is a fact but more often than not students that go into art degrees do not end up being designers or creators in any sense. When that happens you are wasting any government grants you get , you are wasting your own money and you are making your life harder by putting yourself into debt. So yes although we do need artists just like we need any other profession we do not need at this moment in time that many. Cutting funding will encourage LESS but not zero art students which is a good thing.
10/29/2016 08:23:20 pm
we don't live in the USSR, things exist without government funding
10/31/2016 01:51:37 am
I live in the states and we have for-profit colleges churning out criminal justice majors who will never find jobs, because they are functionally illiterate and incapable of doing basic math. Not far behind them are open enrollment art schools churning out degreed. . .what? Someone who will be in debt for the rest of their life with no ROI. Yes, I have a BFA and yes, I make a comfortable salary. But I regret getting that degree, because the skill set could have been acquired through a two year atelier, and I frankly got my job because of my basic accounting, communication, and IT abilities. Have a few two year trade schools for art or acting, mentor protegees through a dance troupe, and pay for the bulk of it yourself.
11/1/2016 06:34:50 am
Dear Ivy, we are undergoing turmoil in our 'arts' world .. Creative design affects and impacts on all of our lives, every day. Art & Design is central to our existence. I gained my L.S.I.A.D way back in 1969, after a 4 year course in Graphic Design & Photography. By that time I had a young family. I was a self employed lumberjack for a year, then a Policeman for three years. I managed a section of Kangol Hats for a further two years. Then I made atom bombs. Now old and retired, photography is my life .. I've never ever been so busy. I'm too busy to grow old .. Live every moment! ;-)
11/3/2016 10:10:13 am
Hi, I am a theater arts major. Thank you for believing in us. People need to understand what art is all about. They tend to think that money is always the standard to see if a person is successful or not. I even came to a point in which I questioned my course. But then, I thought to myself, "I will not do what the society wants me to do. I wasn't born to please them. This is my life."
11/3/2016 10:26:59 am
This is the most amazing thing I have read. As a recent graduate of animation I can relate to how necessary it is to maintain courses such as these. I am from limerick Ireland and I have been an artist all my life. Never did I let my ambition to be a top artist quench. I have just recently obtained an apprenticeship in a tattoo shop which would have never happened if I didn't stay true to myself and believe I could make a life from my art. I love it! Most everyday things are there because of us creative's.Without us there would be a world so straight and narrow that it would be like living in black and grey. There is nothing wrong with a bit of colour. Feel free to follow me on instagram @john_anthony_illustrations
11/4/2016 07:38:46 am
Most importantly an arts degree teaches critical thinking. Art degrees expose students to alternative ideas. Art degrees broaden minds and instill a social conscious in students in ways that no other degree can. Government cuts to arts courses is simply a form of control. Private schooled politicians with business/law degrees don't want us to think outside the box.
11/5/2016 09:03:58 pm
Amazing Article Ivy. Relates perfectly to my thinking and what I do and aim to continue to do being from a creative background. Having studied a creative course, which surprisingly was not my initial intention a few years ago, so much opportunity has opened up.
11/6/2016 01:56:01 am
Oh my gosh I'm in love with this tbh!!!!! has opened up such perspectives for me
2/8/2017 12:52:52 am
What a well written piece young girl and what the future would hold if more young people like you stood up for,what they truly believe in.
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The Prime Minister admitted that he is thinking about a career after politics but dismissed any notion that he will follow Tony Blair onto the lucrative speaking tour circuit which has netted him millions since he left office.
In an interview Mr Brown admits that he now knows what he will do when he leaves politics.
"When I leave office I want to be involved in charitable work," he told GQ magazine.
During his summer holiday Mr Brown did some voluntary community work, but it is the first time he has stated so clearly that charitable causes will dominate his working life when he leaves Number 10. It is rare for the Prime Minister to address any questions about his future if he loses the general election.
He has only previously said he might want to be a teacher, but that was in relation to how the numbers of graduates entering the profession had risen.
Mr Brown made his comments when asked by Piers Morgan, the former tabloid editor, if he would embark on a lucrative speaking tour when he left Downing Street.
The Prime Minister also takes some of the blame for Labour's poor poll ratings by admitting that he "could present our message a lot better". But he also blames the media.
"I'm actually shy by nature rather than extrovert, someone who feels that your actions should speak for themselves, but that's not the way politics works these days," he said.
Mr Brown admits that the public have a "scathing" view of bankers and politicians earning lots of money. He also questions why the BBC is paying Jonathan Ross £18 million a year.
He said: "The BBC has got to seriously consider its salary structure."
Mr Ross was embroiled in a row over a lewd telephone call he and Russell Brand made to Andrew Sachs, the Fawlty Towers actor, regarding the 79 year-old's granddaughter.
The BBC has always defended its decision to pay Mr Ross, who remains employed by the corporation despite calls to sack him offer the Sachs affair, such a large salary.
However, Mr Brown contrasts the example of Mr Ross with that of Simon Cowell, the man behind the X-Factor talent show. He said he had "no envy" about the millions that Mr Cowell makes.
The Prime Minister said: "Entrepreneurs deserve the chance to make money because they have ideas they are putting into practice."
In the interview in the December issue of GQ the Prime Minister also appears to press for the Conservative leader to answer the question "honestly" about whether he has taken drugs in his past.
Pressed repeatedly Mr Brown says he does not want to get into the discussion, before pointing out that cannabis has been upgraded "because of our worries about what is happening."
He is then asked if those who want to prime minister should be able "to hide from telling the truth."
Mr Brown replied: "I accept in my job that you're going to be asked every question, and should answer them honestly."
When asked Mr Cameron has always said that politicians are entitled to a private past and refused to answer them.

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Computing and coding are a growing key skill in this day and age to get ahead in the world. With the constant advancement in technology, more and more jobs in the tech sector are being created. However, as the number of jobs in the tech industry rises, experience and knowledge of the topic are key! Having engineering skills are also key to improve other aspects of home and work life. With the rise of Internet of Things smart devices, understanding how to fit this into your home and work environment can ease with the automating tasks. For buddying entrepreneurs, understanding how to create and host their own website allows them to get ahead of the game to kindle a promising business opportunity. Although most schools are moving towards computing classes at earlier ages, some students are falling behind due to struggling to understand the material of the course, or that the school has limited time to teach the material of the course. Some schools have started to introduce extra curriculum activities to offset the time lost in the classroom, but if these aren't available in your school/area, other options are available to encourage your kids. There are some great tools to help your children out and inspire them to get ahead of the game. Here are just a few suggestions.
Toys and Electronics
Can't mention electronics without discussing the Raspberry pi and Arduino, these micro computers are great for learning programming and electronics. Starter kits for both are great value for money, providing you with core components to start making some cool projects. There are also some great books and magazines available, like the free MagPi magazine and Arduino Workshop, to give you inspiration on projects to make and how to get started. There are other microcomputers available, such as the BBC micro:bit which was given away for free to all Year 7 students in the UK last year. The micro:bit website hosts a variety of cool, affordable family projects you can build over the course of a few hours.
For US readers, Amazon recently announced a STEM club toy subscription for different age groups. STEM (Science Technology Engineering and Mathematics Club) are toys and kits to engage children in learning a variety of topics, ranging from Chemistry, Electronics, Maths and Coding. Toys like MakeBlock's mBot are great hands-on projects, this example can be programmed via a developing environment similar to the Arduino environment. Although the subscription from Amazon is only available in the USA, they are available elsewhere in the UK. Amazon, The Toy Shop and other stores all have specific pages for STEM toys.
Gamification is the concept of engaging students via games and the method of play. This has proven to be very successful, even more so with the growing trend of gaming in recent years. There are a wide variety of different games and systems to help teach coding to children, here are just a few suggestions some of our engineers in the Holiday Extras web team use to encourage their kids with learning to code.
While aimed for a slightly older audience, Code Combat introduces some of the more complicated principles of computing in a fantasy game setting. Although this isn't a completely free resource, it is a good tool for teaching popular programming languages like Python and Javascript, with extra courses in web development which will help prepare kids for further computing courses at school.
You probably have heard of this game before, but Minecraft is surprisingly useful for teaching computing logic via the in-game mechanic called Redstone. In the game, redstone is used as a sort of electrical current when linked to buttons, levers or other input devices. This can then be used for opening remote doors when pulling a lever, to more complicated systems like revealing a secret entrance to a hideout in the game. If you're not sure where to start, there is an official book on how to use redstone in game, this along with other videos online should be a good starting point to experiment with the game while having fun! There are also tons of mobile and tablet apps and games that can help to teach code and logic, as a good starting point which are recommended in the web team are Circuit Scramble for Android and Hopstch for iOS.
One of the best resources that I personally have used during my early studies, and have suggested to students interested in coding, is Code Academy. This free learning tool is one of the most popular of its kind, with a range of lessons in multiple programming languages. What makes Code Academy great is writing the code and seeing the result is all self contained in the same page. You can see what your code does instantly and each lesson is constructed to give hints and assistance if unsure on how to progress.
Books and other online resources
Sometimes the best starting points in learning to code are specific books on the language or system you are learning. My bookshelf is filled with all kinds of programming books I have collected since I started coding back in school, although some are rather outdated. As of 2016/17, most educational boards in the UK use Python or Java in majority of the course content at an GCSE and A-Level, with other languages also being used (AQA for instance support Pascal in their courses). While running computing workshops at schools and teaching classes myself during my degree, I have seen Python becoming more commonly chosen as a schools dedicated programming language. Books like Python for Kids are great to accompany your childs textbooks on the subject, or it can be introduced at an earlier age in preparation for their GCSEs.
For younger ages, Scratch is most commonly used in IT classes before moving towards the language the school supports at a GCSE level. Scratch is a software that uses logic/action blocks to run a program. Linking these blocks together into a string of commands to form a program that is executed inside Scratch. To help support your childs study, books like Learn to program with Scratch are awesome to enhance the material covered in the classroom, while Scratch's main website highlight some featured projects to inspire your children with ideas to create something of their own.
There are many more resources, books and websites to recommend that can help to teach your child how to code (and perhaps you might learn a thing or two along the way). Anything you think we may have missed, please spread the knowledge by linking it in the comments below.Tags Education


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New York-based Jason Tomme photographed rocks along the wall of a tunnel for his Friends series. Lit only by the existing light coming through the tunnel at an angle, the stones become solitary, melancholic characters in their hidden location. The concrete backgrounds of the images have graffiti on them, evidence of a secretive human presence and clandestine activities. Though dark and industrial, the images possess a quiet emotional power. Tomme has exhibited his work at venues throughout the US.
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CANADA — Webcam performer and NHL fan Taylor Stevens announced today that she has raised $1000 for charity after auctioning off the tops she wore during Game 4 and Game 6 of the Stanley Cup finals between the LA Kings and the New Jersey Devils.
Stevens, a former BBW model who lost 180-pounds and is currently battling Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, made national headlines on June 6 when NBC cameras caught her eye-popping 36-HH's pressed up against the glass behind Devils' coach Pete DeBoer. The video immediately went viral, making Stevens a household name among sports fans.
Stevens, who returned to the Los Angeles Staples Center on June 11 to watch the Kings defeat the Devils 6-to-1 for their first Stanley Cup victory, put her tops up for auction on eBay to raise money and awareness for the Lymphoma Society and the Obesity Society. The tops were purchased by long-time Stevens admirer B. Coyle for $1000.
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A project is coming up in Uttara Koppa an agricultuaral land in the midst of forest and is around 30 kms from Murdeshwar a famous tourist spot. Farming, Gou Shala, an ocational training centre is under construction. This will help to develop skills and to generate employment in the area. Agricultural, especially organic farming camps, cow and cow based products knowledge is imparted.


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Free and open to the public
October 20, 2017
Logan Center for the Arts, 915 E. 60th Street, screening room
Screening of Dziga Vertov's 1937 film Lullaby (Kolybel'naja) presented in conjunction with the special exhibition Revolution Every Day.
FREE, but seating is limited and offered on a first-come, first-served basis.
Co-presented by the Film Studies Center and the Smart Museum of Art.
Dziga Vertov developed numerous plans for a film showcasing the achievements of Soviet women in the mid-1930s, at a time that official Soviet policies concerning women were undergoing radical change. For instance, having been legalized to great fanfare in 1920, abortion was prohibited in 1935, and cultural representations began to reinforce conservative, even bourgeois notions of femininity. In this context Vertov's film about women became a film largely about maternity, about the fertility of Soviet women and the great promise of Soviet children. The fact that this hymn to maternity coincided in time with the Great Terror unleashed by Joseph Stalin—who features prominently in archival footage—makes the film a poignant and troubling document of its dark moment.
Introduced by William Nickell, Associate Professor and Chair in the Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures.
(Dziga Vertov, USSR, 1937, 58 min., 35mm print courtesy of the Vertov Collection of the Austrian Film Museum)
The Film Studies Center and the Smart Museum of Art will present three rarely seen "poetic documentary" films by Soviet filmmaker Dziga Vertov. The three films comprise a trilogy on the situation of women in the USSR and show Vertov wrestling with the new possibilities of sound documentary. Projected from archival prints from the Austrian Film Museum and with new subtitles, these films will challenge our notions of Vertov as a filmmaker, of Soviet film under Stalin, and of the documentary mode.
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Three Songs about Lenin (1934/1938)
Friday, October 6, 7 pm
Lullaby (1937)
Friday, October 20, 7 pm
The Three Heroines (1938)
Friday, November 10, 8 pm
Image: Dziga Vertov, still from Lullaby (detail), 1937.


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[1] - Loot will be distributed via /roll's and also at the discretion of the officers.
[2] - BoE's all go to the guild bank where members can purchase them for a much cheaper price then said items market value. Trialee's will NOT be given this privilege.
[3] - The guild bank will supply enchants and gems to raid members only for items that are quality enough to have them, this will be decided again at the discretion of the officers.
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[1] - Our image is important and we do not tolerate anyone tarnishing it, so naturally we expect our members to not recklessly insult people, to not ninja, to not spam trade and other embarresing acts, if you are not sure on what your doing in regards to guild image, simply ask an officer and I am sure they can clarify.
[2] - Constructive criticism: As you will know soon enough, I tell people how it is. If you are in anyway a "delicate flower" and cannot handle being told where you need to improve then you will not last.
[3] - Every raid member must understand that if there is gear that you need outside of raid zones e.g. rep, heroic or crafted that you should be working toward it.
[4] - We are still a progression guild which means that we are taking our strongest 10 members. Dont take this to heart and think you will never get to raid again, it merely means that you should be working hard to improve your gear, studying your rotations to improve and seal your spot in the next raid. NOTE if you are trialing and you are not invited to a raid do not assume that means you have been denied. You will still be trialing and you should know that we will be looking at how hard you work to improve in regards to items / rotations / specs.
[5] - Professions: For the moment we are not pushing this but when we start doing hardmodes we will be coming down hard on these, we expect that when it really matters people should have prof's with benefits on their mains, and by this we mean profs like inscription for shoulders, chanting for rings etc.
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[1]An idea has formed among a few of the Officers, after each week of raids the officers will decide among each other who the stand out Most Valuable Raider was and that player will be awarded 500g from the guild bank. It will be decided around things like bringing your own food / flasks to raids, not making silly mistakes within the raids and displaying constant focus and effort.
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Nope, it's not just you. Most Disney websites, including Disney Vacation Club, are currently unavailable due to technical problems.
Update 3:15pm: The DVC site appears to have recovered.
Most Disney theme park related websites including those for Walt Disney World, Disney Vacation Club and MyDisneyExperience are currently unavailable. This outage impacts a wide range of features including DVC resort reservations, dining reservations, FastPass+ and more.
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We are behind getting our FPs for our December trip because we were out of the country for most of last month. So I am a little worried we won't get any Pandora FPs or any of the popular FPs. But luckily we will be back in March so maybe if we can't get this this trip we can for the next trip.
As for FP+ for Pandora, Flight of Passage is still very difficult to get for short stays. If you have a longer trip (4+ nights), it's best to try towards the end of the stay. Na'vi River Journey is much easier to get.


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