text:
Why we would retire childsplay or gcompris or gdesklets ? IMHO we still
haven't a replacement .
From [1] I strongly disagree with the text, why all python 2 packages
will be removed automatically and why I would have a lot of work if I
want keep one package alive . why not the opposite ? .
Python 3 it isn't even the default why such hurry to drop python 2 at
all , when we still have epel 7 with python 2 ...
My opinion at least postpone this decision one or two releases to
Fedors 33/34 , many things still just work with python 2 .
Best regards,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetirePython2
On 11-08-19 01:05, Sérgio Basto wrote:
childsplay and gcompris maintainer here.
Childsplay has been in a zombie state upstream for years, some work has
been done upstream but mostly focusing on reusing the code into a memory
trainer app for the elderly, rather then on educational activities.
Childsplay has always had a significant overlap with gcompris, given
the lack of upstream activity and the overlap with gcompris the time has
come to retire childsplay
gcompris has been replaced upstream by gcompris-qt, which is also in
Fedora and which we will keep around.
Both gcompris and childsplay have not seen much if any upstream love for
yeas now and have been kept functional only because of my efforts to keep
them building and working. The lack of any realistic path to get these
ported over to Python 3 is the last straw that breaks the camel's back.
The same goes e.g. for vegastrike which also has seen close to no
activity upstream for I guess 5 years at least...
Dne 12. 08. 19 v 13:34 Hans de Goede napsal(a):
Imho gcompris should have been remove long time ago from Fedora. And Gcompris-qt should obsolete-provides gcompris.
It just confuse people. It confused me, it confused Sergio.
On 13-08-19 16:31, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
Good idea, I've just filed a bug against gcompris-qt (which I do not maintain)
for this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1740801
Sérgio Basto wrote:
I second that wholeheartedly.
This change is just not implementable as it stands. Way too much upstream
software still depends on Python 2. (In fact, I am not even convinced that
it can be implemented as stated, ever, without dropping huge parts of Fedora
and making it useless for a wide number of users. But what is sure is that
it definitely cannot implemented without huge fallout in time for Fedora
I also completely fail to see what value the rename from python2 to python27
(yet another one, after the already pointless rename from python to python2)
will bring to our users. But the worst part is the required FESCo exception
approval for every single remaining Python 2 package, along with loads of
bureaucracy that many packages will be unable to comply with (starting from
the plan to move to Python 3, which depends on upstream, if there is even a
live upstream to begin with).
This is absolutely not a reasonable and social way to deal with
compatibility packages in Fedora.
Kevin Kofler
On 11/08/2019 01:45, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Like it or not, Python 2 is going to die:
Python 2 will not be maintained by upstream after January 1, 2020. Python 2
will go EOL during the lifetime of Fedora 31.
So why are we here? Because Python maintainers have ignored this, or have
hoped this will not be a reality or it will be postponed. But the PEP-373
defining and documenting the EOL of Python 2 was created in November 2008(!).
That is 11 years ago(!).
Life must move on, like or not. Python must move on, like it or not.
And since so many Python package maintainers have ignored this fact, we are
having this discussion now.
By not enforcing Python 2 to really die in Fedora, we will have exactly the
same discussion in the coming decade as well. There has been plenty of time
to get ready for the Python 3 move:
<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default> ... This happened
in Fedora 23 - which was released in November 2015. That is close to 4 years ago.
So why are we here? Because Python 2 package maintainers in the Fedora
community have ignored this fact, for almost 4 years. Yes, I know it's not
necessarily an easy task. But 4 years in Fedora land is quite a long time; it
is 8 Fedora releases. If we want to do a move, it is possible to do such a
change in 4 years.
Time has run up. It is time to move on and accept the fate of Python 2
packages not being ready. Those caring so much for unported Python 2 packages
now got a brilliant chance to help moving them forward to Python 3 too.
David Sommerseth wrote:
So what? Qt 3 had its last release (3.3.8b) in 2008 (and that was basically
just a relicensing of the final 2007 release 3.3.8). Yet, we (mostly me)
still maintain qt3 and backport security fixes where issues are reported to
us, and Qt 3 applications still work fine. I have KSensors (a qt3/kdelibs3
application) sitting in my system tray all the time. It still works (thanks
also to Plasma 5's xembedsniproxy). I also use Quanta Plus to edit HTML. It
also works as expected.
Just because upstream no longer releases something does not mean it has to
disappear from distributions instantly. I see no other distribution being as
aggressive about removing Python 2 as Fedora is.
There is also a fork trying to keep Python 2 alive:
https://github.com/naftaliharris/tauthon
though it is unfortunately unclear whether the most important point
(backporting security issues) will be taken care of reliably:
https://github.com/naftaliharris/tauthon/issues/109
But it is always possible to do the backports downstream, as we are doing
for the Qt 3 and 4 stacks.
Kevin Kofler
On 14/08/2019 15:01, Kevin Kofler wrote:
So what? You chose to do this work to keep this alive. In my personal
opinion, that's wasting of precious time and I would never have done that.
You chose differently, and I respect that.
I honestly don't care much what other distros do. I care about the road
forward for Fedora. In my point of view, putting legacy software which has
reached EOL from upstream behind is really sane. If you want/need it, then
port it forward to the future.
Secondly, this isn't "disappearing instantly", as you say. Fedora started
this migration almost 4 years ago. If this feels "instantly", someone has not
paid attention.
And this is why we should let Python 2 rest in peace once it reaches EOL.
Python 3 contains a lot of improvements over Python 2. The world need to move
forward and not linger in the past.
Who will do this job? And which guarantees do we have it will be done in a
way providing the same quality work the Python community has done so far?
If the result is less secure Python 2 updates, nothing really improves at all
... except keeping code which should be ported forward to Python 3 alive
longer than really needed.
Instead of spending time and resources keeping old stuff alive longer than
needed, rather spend that energy on porting the old Python 2 over to Python 3.
In the long run, this will result in far less work over time.
David Sommerseth wrote:
It is not practical to get all the legacy Python 2 code ported over to
Python 3. Keeping Python 2 (or something backwards-compatible with it such
as Tauthon) available is actually the much more scalable approach.
Your scorched earth approach will lose a lot of software that has no
replacement and that users rely on.
Kevin Kofler
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:31 PM Kevin Kofler <kevin. ... at chello dot at> wrote:
I've been seeing migrations like this for d decades, with major
releases of many software tools. Preserving legacy versions, forever,
is the precise opposite of "scalable".
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
What is more work: maintaining one compatibility package, or porting
hundreds of packages (which are not getting ported upstream for whatever
reason) to the new incompatible version?
Kevin Kofler
On 15. 08. 19 14:33, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Once more: The one package you keep talking about stays.
Miro Hrončok wrote:
The python2 package stays, but we have to jump through completely
unreasonable hoops to be allowed to actually use it.
Kevin Kofler
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 16:31, Kevin Kofler <kevin. ... at chello dot at> wrote:
And your daily rants about everything wrong everyone else does loses a
lot of people who want to work on Fedora. The current python
maintainers have said multiple times that they would be happy if
someone took over python2 once it is completely EOL. You can take it
over just like qt3 and no one has to worry about it anymore.
On 14. 08. 19 22:28, Kevin Kofler wrote:
We are keeping the Python 2 interpreter.
We are also keeping PyPy 2.7.
You can also package Tauthon if you want to.
It's the packages with the ecosystem that we want to get rid of.
On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:47 PM Kevin Kofler <kevin. ... at chello dot at> wrote:
Maintaining python 2 requires maintaining a *lot* of infrastructure.
To support multiple pythons, python26, python28 if it ever happens,
python36 python38 when it comes out.
Simply replacing the "python2" line iwth "python27" is not a difficent
edit in most source code.
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
What kind of infrastructure do you need to maintain a package that is (will
be) no longer updated upstream? This takes almost no work. The only thing to
do is to backport some security fixes from Python 3, and occasionally to fix
FTBFS bugs.
Now if your concern is maintaining all the python2-* packages, then there
ought to be some middle ground between maintaining all of them including
ones that are not used by anything in Fedora anymore, and just dropping all
of them (with or without the planned exception process, whose usefulness
depends entirely on how willing FESCo will be to approve the requests).
Maybe the set of python2-* modules in EL7 or EL8, with or without EPEL,
minus the ones already retired from Fedora by now, would be a reasonable
starting point?
I also think that there ought to be more cooperation from the maintainers of
individual python2-* modules. The approved Fedora 31 Change makes it way too
easy for maintainers to just drop Python 2 support for no reason. If
upstream dropped Python 2 support from the current version and so an old
version has to be packaged specifically for Python 2, that is one good
reason to require somebody else to pick up maintenance, but as it stands, no
such reason is required and Fedora maintainers can arbitrarily drop Python 2
support from their Python modules even if upstream still supports it. This
is just pointless and unhelpful.
We can try to find people to pick up python2 and a bunch of python2-*
modules, but expecting the python2 maintainer(s) to sign up for maintaining
each and every python2-* module is unreasonable and unrealistic. Even if
several of them will also be dead upstream (at least the version that works
with Python 2) and thus require very little maintenance effort.
The whole reason for this discussion is that Python 2.8 will likely never
happen. It definitely will not happen from Python upstream. Otherwise, there
would not be all this talk about dropping Python 2 due to being unsupported
I don't see much point in supporting Python 2.6, which is even more ancient
than Python 2.7, and 2.7 is backwards-compatible with 2.6.
And supporting multiple versions is not an argument for not having at least
a python2 symlink and Provides: python2 in python27.
But it is still a completely unnecessary edit.
Kevin Kofler
On 11. 08. 19 3:45, Kevin Kofler wrote:
We are still planning to maintain the interpreter. As is documented in the
change. So can we please stop arguing about maintaining the interpreter over and
over? It is staying and our team will maintain it at least until RHEL 7 EOL,
possibly longer.
Yes the concern is about maintaining the python2-* packages.
The difference between EL and Fedora is that package sin Fedora get recent
rebases / updates to newer version. You cannot just package them and call it
"done". And most of the upstreams are coming to a point where you cannot update
the Python 2 package because the new version doe snot support Python 2.
That at the end means you need to go over nonobvious bumps to split the Python 2
package out of the "common" package, in order to update the "common" (now Python
3 only) package. And this problem spreads further with dependencies (even
transitive ones). I don't have the energy or time to split hundreds of packages
and maintain a separate stack of Python 2 packages. If somebody else has, go for it.
The set of python2-* packages to remain is determined by the FESCo exceptions.
It is fairly easy really: We don't have the necessary information to understand
what Python packages are "important" and what are "cruft". Hence if your package
is important, you just need to explain that. Obviously, if you need to maintain
the package as a dependency, for another important package, the exception can be
requested at once, you don't need to request dozens of exception to keep e.g.
chromium around.
When a packager doesn't want to maintain it, that's good enough reason.
You have a right to orphan a package, why you should not have the right to
orphan a half of your package, when he other half works without it?
Requiring others to maintain the packages your packages (or you) need just
because they maintained it until now is not very friendly. Of course, you can
ask nicely, but you cannot say this is their duty.
Arguably, maintaining dead software requires more effort than maintaining live
one. But that kinda depends on the particular package.
I don't need people to maintain **all** Python 2 packages, just mine. But
possibly other maintainers also don't want to maintain theirs. As the snowball
rolls, you need somebody to maintain **almost all** of them.
Correct. We just want to signal that this is a compat package. We will most
likely still provide python2 (so users can discover it more easily). Why is the
package name so important to you?
The point is to support developers who use Fedora as they workstation but need
to support and test Python 2.6 (e.g. on EL6) in their code. Nevertheless, the
python26 package is now orphaned, because one of the dependencies is orphaned
Correct. Except both of those to happen.
On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 9:33 AM Miro Hrončok < ... at redhat dot com> wrote:
So why do package maintainers have to do a whole lot of extra work to
keep a package that has already been approved in the distro. There's a
lot of work going into various stacks upstream for python3 work but in
a lot of cases the time available is split and now we're asking the
limited maintainers of packaged in Fedora to do more work
unnecessarily to keep their packages around otherwise they're be
aggressively killed off and they'll have to then do even more work to
get them back.... or probably just go and use Ubuntu or CentOS or
something else instead. This is frankly a ridiculous policy!
Peter Robinson wrote:
Are you also bringing this one to the Council?
Kevin Kofler
Miro Hrončok wrote:
Then why do you require all this FESCo exception bureaucracy, including a
Python 3 migration plan, for every single package requiring Python 2, even
if it is only the interpreter (and the shipped standard library)?
And that is a perfectly valid reason to orphan the Python 2 parts. My issue
with the policy you proposed and FESCo approved for F31 is that it does not
require this to be the case, but allows maintainers to drop the Python 2
subpackage just because they don't like Python 2 (or simply want to avoid
going through the bureaucracy you're requiring for F32), which is a quite
antisocial thing to do.
If the partial orphaning policy were limited to packages where upstream
dropped or is in the process of dropping Python 2 support, I would not
That said, those are also the cases where the split out python2-* package
WOULD in fact be "done" and never require getting updated to a newer
version, unless upstream maintains some legacy/LTS branch. So the situation
for whomever ends up stuck maintaining the python2-* package would not be
that different from the RHEL situation.
But why does this have to go through FESCo and a formal approval process?
Why is it not sufficient that the maintainer says "yes, this is still
needed"? If a maintainer wants to keep the package, this clearly means it is
important to SOMEBODY, so why do we need an approval by committee to confirm
this (or worse, veto this against the wishes of the maintainer)?
We do not normally require this level of bureaucracy for things depending on
a compatibility package, and I think this is a very dangerous precedent to
When it takes no extra effort to maintain the Python 2 module because the
current upstream still supports it just fine, what is the rationale for
dropping it, other than "I don't like Python 2 anymore"? As I wrote above,
if upstream stops supporting Python 2, that is a valid reason. If nothing in
Fedora (nor in popular third-party repositories) requires the Python 2 parts
anymore, that is a reason too.
All I am asking for is to not actively drop python2-* subpackages without a
good reason to do so. (It actually requires more effort to go and delete the
specfile portions than to just keep them. ;-) )
My experience maintaining the Qt 3 stack is quite the opposite. Those
packages require a lot less effort to keep going than, say, qt5-qtwebengine.
My idea is that people depending on specific python2-* modules should
maintain them, as usual when a library gets orphaned. But we cannot expect
one person to maintain all of them. Neither you, nor me, nor anybody else.
What I want to see is a small group of python2 maintainers keeping the
interpreter going, and then individual packagers of dependent packages
(reverse dependencies) maintaining the individual python2-* modules they
need for their packages. If nobody can be found for a specific module, then
that module should get retired by the normal retirement process for orphaned
packages. I don't see why a more aggressive removal process is needed here.
Kevin Kofler
On 8/11/19 2:28 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Python 2 will not get the attention, fixes, and security updates that
people have been used to in the past decade. That's a big deal, and
unfortunately we know no good way to properly communicate this to all
the affected packagers.
We hope the bureaucracy works for the hundreds of packages with inactive
maintainers; the flip side is that the active maintainers do have to do
some more work, even if it's just filing a ticket and switching a
BuildRequires. Sorry for that.
As for the Python 3 migration plan: we can agree to maintain Python 2
for you to depend on, if there's a feasible plan of moving away from
Python 2. If there's no plan, you'll just run into trouble in a few more
years. If you consider your package important, we really want to know
about the situation.
The Python 3 migration plan is not a requirement, but a very common and
useful piece of information that we want to hear about. Every package is
different; we can't know where each upstream does their planning. As a
packager, you know best where to ask for this info, so we ask you to
find it and paste the link in a Fedora place -- Bugzilla or a FESCo ticket.
If there's another plan instead of a "Python 3 porting plan" (like port
to Rust instead, or to Tauthon, or maintain Python 2 forever), we'd also
like to know about it.
The policy is for those *and their dependencies*.
See, I have a "package where upstream is in the process of dropping
Python 2 support". It's called "python2".
I could just drop it and call it a day, but since people still want it,
I'll maintain it. But only for those who care and who understand the
situation; not for the hundreds of inactive maintainers.
(To be clear: making it possible and straightforward to build Fedora
RPMs with python3 *is* more work than just maintaining the interpreter
for users.)
Sure, but this "python2" one does need ongoing maintenance.
The maintainer needs to say "yes, this is still needed" for all the
(transitive) dependencies as well. There's usually a non-trivial amount
of these.
If you maintain one of the packages that just need the interpreter
itself, then yes, I can see how opening a FESCo ticket is unneeded
bureaucracy. Sorry for that, but please understand that this is not a
common case.
If you maintain *many* packages like that, let us know and we'll do
something to treat them as a batch.
I don't think we really had a compatibility package with that many
dependents, unfortunately.
As for the precedent, yes, I sure hope we're not setting one.
It always takes extra effort to maintain the Python 2 module's
dependencies. It might not be *your* effort, but it is effort.
You are quite lucky, it seems. Congratulations!
I agree with that...
...but not with this. The graph of dependencies is too big and tangled,
and it changes too much over time (if you don't remove leaves, they stop
being leaves). And since many of the packagers involved aren't
responsive, we kind of need them to explicitly say "yes, this is
important and we should keep all the dependencies" rather wait for "no,
drop this".
Hence the whole complicated process for figuring out who should maintain
python2 modules.
For example, at my last count, Chromium had 57 Python2 packages as
transitive (build)dependencies, many of which are probably not best
maintained by Chromium maintainers. Calibre had 104. And those are
programs we know people care about; there are hundreds where we have no
idea how important they are to their packagers or users.
It's not merely difficult, it's burning time better spent porting the
python2 packages to python3
I've run into this snowball, quite recently, backporting awscli to
RHEL 6. I finally had to throw in the towel for Samba and give up on
RHEL 6 for current Samba releases with the domain controller enabled.
It's proven helpful with the python3 enabled packages to use
"%{_python3}" and "%{_python2}" consistently, especially when
splitting packages for versions backported to RHEL or publiswhed in
EPEL. Red Hat is due to publish a python3 built right into RHEL 7.7,
so it should be possible to discard python2 more generally for folks
like me that do backports.
On 11. 08. 19 1:05, Sérgio Basto wrote:
If the maintainer wants to, they can request an exception for the package to be
Opposite? Retire Python 3?
Python 3 is the default.
As I ask repeatedly: Who will maintain the Python 2 ecosystem?
On Sun, 2019-08-11 at 01:35 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
yes, but just gives more work to package maintainers .
The opposite, is just removed the authorized packages . If maintainer
not respond or aren't against to .
On Fedora 30 still be Python 2 (Python 2.7.16) and Fedora 31 is not yet
released .
|lmdb fails to map large DBs on i686/s390x
|Fedora 30-20190412.n.0 compose check report
|Fedora Rawhide-20180417.n.0 compose check report
|Self Introduction - Zach Villers #aikidouke
|Meaning of test gating "waiting" and "ignored"
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|Fedora Rawhide-20181006.n.0 compose check report
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I love flashmobs so I thought I'd share another one with you, this one only has singing...no dancing but it's still really cool!
Wednesday, December 01, 2010
Christmas Flashmob
4 comments:
- Mika said...
That is so cool! I think I would freak out right at first though. LOL! <3
- December 01, 2010
- Mika said...
Your blog has inspired me in such a way as I am passing along two blog awards. Please visit my blog at http://www.mikaspantry.blogspot.com to accept your awards. I want to thank you for sharing your life, your thoughts, your passions with all of us.
- December 02, 2010
- Dawn said...
I absolutely loved this one!! It made me tear up.
- December 06, 2010
- Lynette said...
dang you made me cry.....and yes i love flash mobs too!
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The menu is varied and there were lots of dishes that I could choose from. Often when I go to brunch I'm not always thrilled with the menu options, but not here. I wanted to try a few dishes. I opted for the traditional eggs benny with salmon and a salad. They were cooked to perfection (not hard) and the bechamel sauce was not overwhelming or too much - just right and the salad dressing was not overpowering. My husband had the fried chicken sandwich with fries and that looked good too.
I thought the prices were reasonable considering the location and it's downtown Toronto. The ambience is ok - it was a bit loud for me (but not impossible to hear people talk).
The experience was completely horrendous. From the waiters physically touching my food to arguing with me about what proper etiquette is... this was a 1 star experience... at best! On top of everything it took 45 minutes just to get a drink. I'd recommend this restaurant as a comparison to McDonald's or Burger King's service. Enjoy if you want to eat at a restaurant that is constantly performing various health violations on their customers food and the waitress flipping you off as you walk out the door.
Furthermore, Ryan Campbell the manager, is completely incompetent and any disagreement with him will lead you to being escorted out of the restaurant. He has no experience in customer service and should be at a Fast food at best... zero communication skills, zero customer service and definitely do not comply with the food safety code of practice.
0/5 stars
Slow slow slow!
Four of us had dinner at The Civic - first time for all of us. It was a great evening. Terrific ambiance and excellent advice on the wine options. The menu was not extensive but it was varied and each of the mains we ordered was well prepared and lived up to the descriptions. Good food is not the only thing that makes a great restaurant, it's often the service that makes an evening memorable. Our server, Christine, was superb. Professional but relaxed and welcoming, she never missed a beat, kept our wine glasses filled, helped us decide on menu choices and didn't make us feel rushed. An evening worth repeating - we'll be back!
The hotel and the Civic were very cool. The menu is limited and the food was just OK. We all decided that we would not rush back.
Service was also just OK (maybe started off short staffed??) and staff were not that friendly to us.
The hostess's were dull/unfriendly no smiles and not welcoming. Waitress was the absolute worst, did not introduce herself, talk about the menu, ask about allergies, barely spoke & again no smiles and unwelcoming. The food was way overpriced and terrible , need an actual chef who can cook!!! I would suggest to management that they look at hiring staff that can actually do their job well and remind them they are in the hospitality industry. I delay as if they were doing me a favour!! Wrong .. will not be returning and will suggest to friends/family to bypass the Civc.
Service was the best! Our waitress was super friendly, funny and sweet. Food was great, but would have been better if there were more options. The restaurant itself is very nice.
Three of us shared the 36 oz rib eye with a variety of side dishes. It was delicious and perfect for us. Great meal and fun ambiance.
Waffles were soggy - other food was OK. Nice space but quality of food does not warrant a return visit.
Love the food but the service and organization needs work-inattentive waiter, multiple order and reservation mix ups. Food and atmosphere is great.
Food was good. Not sure if it was an isolated incident but there was a bit of a wait for service. The hollandaise sauce cane highly recommended and did not disappoint. Potatoes were cut a bit too big and got a bit overwhelming. Good place to visit for a brunch get together with friends.
Celebrating a new home with clients.
It was a busy morning. Our food was delayed but the server made sure to check up on it. The manager apologized for the delay and comped our drinks. They were very attentive. Lovely atmosphere and food was delicious!
Service was extremely slow !
Bad service, food that was not great and it was expensive.
Everything was cooked to perfection. Definitely recommend having a few sides, as portions are not huge. Beautiful plating and delicious. Many other restaurants in Toronto charge more and I am generally disappointed by something. Very satisfied with all the food, drinks and service at the Civic!
Great ambiance,service and food.
We enjoyed our experience very much and will be sure to go back.
Great Saturday brunch experience! Got a beautiful chocolate crossaint as the birthday treat from the restaurant. Thank you The Civic!
Service was very attentive, despite the place being very busy. Great food and good selection - we were there for brunch.
The table was right by the exit. Not very comfortable location.
Love the heritage building. Really wanted to love the experience but I must say the peameal bacon and eggs were really mediocre. They arrived cold and the bacon could not be cut with a knife making me wonder if it is prepared in advance and just (barely) warmed up. Requested eggs over easy and got them hard. Didn't wish to complain in the presence of a business contact.
Server was fantastic as was the receptionist.
Delightful from the moment we arrived. Service was very good and when we advised our server we had a time constraint she did a quietly magnificent job of keeping us on track. Food and wine were lovely and enthusiastically described by our other server. Only feedback, typical of our demographic is the sound level, which made conversation a bit of a challenge at times.
Fantastic dinner and top notch service. Our waiter was the perfect host.
Fantastic food for meat eaters and vegetarians alike. Best brunch spot!
Love the ambience of this historic building (high ceilings, exposed brick). Our waiter was incredibly attentive. We had brunch and my open face omelette was delicious. Great value as well for the dining experience. Although a bit out of the way and nothing really close nearby (I.e., for shopping, walking/browsing), would definitely come back again for bunch or dinner. The rooftop lounge has an amazing view too.
I've been to the civic many times and always had a pleasant experience but the one time I bring friends who haven't been after I ranted and raved about it - it turned out to be an awful experience. The restaurant wasn't busy by any means yet our waiter came by 3 separate times to say he'd be with us shortly to take our order despite us telling him we were ready to order the first time. Then when he finally came back he only took our drink order and then came back twice to have a couple of us repeat the drink order again because he forgot. And then finally 40 minutes later he took our food order. We also waited 45 minutes for our bill which was wrong twice and had to be reprinted. I love this hotel and I love this restaurant and would come back again but something was off that night and it showed. Disappointing.
Overall excellent but a few dishes namely the pancakes and trout from the brunch menu were overpriced.
Everything was great but it was very noisy and difficult to hear table mates.
Thank you for the great rating despite the noise level. I wish we had of know night of to move you or anything else we could have done to make your experience better.
Dinner with friends- Broadview Hotel has been redone beautifully. Checked out Cafe, Rooftop terrace and the private function Tower room- all were lovely. Service was also excellent with our waiter giving us good guidance (along with prices and "specials"). Noise level was also low which was very conducive to some good conversation with friends. All of our food choices were good but not spectacular and overall menu (and especially wine list) are a little pricey.
Thank you for your feedback and rating. We've added some new wine labels to ensure there is an option for everyone.
The food was delicious and our server, Kelly was outstanding!!
The food was excellent and the suggested wine pairings were spot on. Our host was quite accommodating and let me change my reservation when something came up. Our server was very friendly and on top of everything.
We are frequent customers at the Broadview. But for Sunday brunch, the music was too loud and everyone's voices rose to meet it. The server had to yell to be heard right next to us. When the music stopped for a few minutes, it was comfortable - but it didn't last. Please turn it down!
Also, please get in some lactose-free milk for the cappuccino and latte. the dairy-free options are no substitute - this is not a costly nor difficult option to have on hand.
The room is lovely. A mixture of seating, fabrics and surfaces. The room was busy and so quite noisy. Attentive service was appreciated. My friend had the Broadview breakfast with scrambled eggs toast and well cooked bacon as requested. I ordered the chicken salad; chicken, kale, dates, and chickpeas. They remembered to leave out the almond. A bowlful of especially tough Kate topped by 8 small cubes of chicken, about 10 chickpeas was not a chicken salad. For whatever reason I didn't ask for something else and should have.
Atmosphere and service was great, but food was mediocre at best. Much better brunch places nearby.
I am done with Civic for sure! Customer service got a zero from me.
But the rooftop was soooo good because of the best customer service.
Paris was so good! But definitely not recommended the Civic, the food served cold as well.
That was disappointing.
The executive chef, Richard Singh, is one absolutely amazing fellow. We've (my partner and I) have been eating his dishes for four years and were happy to follow him to the Civic. They certainly chose the right man to command the kitchen and create an awesome experience. Fantastic!
As a hospitality professional I found the staffs care about our experience to be great and the food was delicious and exceeded expectations
Thank you for your feedback, see you again!
Family dinner, enjoyed by all! The food was amazing and the staff were friendly and down to earth.
Thank you so much, this is amazing feedback. We look forward to welcoming you back to The Civic.
Food was totally overpriced, and the taste was mediocre. There was a flickering light in the ceiling above our table which was very distracting.
Thank you for this feedback. We take pride in our food and service at The Civic. I wish we had known night of so that we could have tried to remedy any complaints. As always, your feedback is important to us and we are always open to it.
After the first round of drinks we were ignored as were the other tables around us. Unbeknownst to us, there was a wedding happening on the top floor which we didn't find out about until after. Only aware that there was some private event, I asked the manager if there was something going on in the kitchen and if it had anything to do with the event. He dismissed my concerns and assured me that they paid attention to all their guests.
When our meals arrived after nearly an hour, only two of our guests were served. Their pasta was was hot but average to the taste. The ribeye showed up with only two small mildly warm slices, a slice of bread pudding and some burned rapini. The duck was cold and the lamb was on the verge of turning. The duck was sent back and the lamb was removed to be replaced by some scallops which were lightly seared leaving them cold and nervously unwanted. The duck returned warm after being in the microwave.
After the meals, the waitress put down some plates for something special from the kitchen for my birthday. It was almost another twenty minutes before this special desert arrived. Two separate plates of assorted gluten free deserts. I'm guessing we were supposed to serve ourselves with our individual forks? I was done.
It was clear that something was going on, that they were behind and that many of the tables around us were not being tended to. I regret not going somewhere else but it was my birthday and hoped that things would get back on track. They never did. When I called the waitress over, I was informed that the manager wasn't on the floor. The Civic had let her down as much as they had let us down and I was greatly embarrassed in front of my guests.
Fifteen minutes later the manager showed up and I informed him that they had ruined my birthday and that we were not paying of anything. He didn't apologize and we left. The Civic has permanently lost my patronage and I will not be recommending this establishment to anyone.
We apologize for your negative experience, we did try and satisfy your concerns that evening. The event facility upstairs has a completely separate kitchen and staff. The menu was new and the food arrived in house just before your reservation, I assure you it is fresh. When proteins are ordered medium rare they arrive with a cool/warm red centre, the meat needs time to rest. As always, we take pride in our food and service, we strive to have our guests experience only the best at The Civic.


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La semana pasada se publicaron los comics de la segunda generación de títulos de TKO Comics, la nueva editorial USA que ha debutado este año. Entre estos cómics, destaca con luz propia Sentient, la colaboración entre Jeff Lemire y Gabriel Hernandez Walta. Ya hemos podido leer esta aventura y a ello le dedicamos este podcast, en el que además tenemos la oportunidad de charlar con el mismísimo Gabriel Hernandez Walta, que nos da muchos detalles del mismo y de la editorial.
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