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i have updated windows
i have updated windows
How about the graphics driver?
If you've tinkered around with BIOS configs prior to the error message emergence, it would be a good idea to pull up BIOS and set all parameters to "default".
As informed previously, have you checked 'device manager'?
If you fancy putting on your detective cap you might want to view the Windows Event Logger to see if you can locate any system/application error. Essentially use the system as you would normally and each time it crashes note the date and time. Two or three of these timestamps will be enough. Then right click 'start' and open "Event Viewer". Under 'windows logs" view the "system" and "applications" logs. Locate the date and timing of each crash and see if there's a common culprit preceding each crash. You can search the EVENT CODE / error or warning report online for a remedy. It may sound a little complex but it's very straightforward - QUICK DEMO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6fP8bV5Pb4
If all goes to pants, at this point, if you haven't installed a ton of stuff already, it would be easier to just opt for a fresh install of windows to iron out OS-based possibilities. If the issue persists after a clean install, I would look to update BIOS + chipset drivers (from your board manufacturers website). If that doesn't work, in the least, the previous steps help to narrow down the search to firmware-2-hardware comms where storage/memory are the common offenders, amongst others.
Access denied! It's set on "private". Pop over to your saved list, hit "edit details" and from the left pane uncheck the private setting
Perhaps will upgrade to 64 GB later.
Perhaps will upgrade to 64 GB later.
If you're not overclocking:
grab a more affordable $40/$50 beefier air cooler for exceptional performance + super quiet function.
a lesser expensive non-OC prone motherboard.
Other amendments:
The 970 EVO is a workstation class SSD where the abundant speeds come into play in only handful of specific workloads. The benefits for a gaming/Gen-productivity build are next to zero when compared with more affordable $100 consumer-level NVME SSD. Hence grab something more pertinent to the use-case.
Preferably an aftermarket GPU for an improved cooling solution and some light pre-engineered factory-OC. Generally for 1080p 144hz the RTX 2070 SUPER is the way to go but I guess with VR in the equation the beefier the card the better.
For this sort of build - 550W of power draw is sufficient. 650W is recommended for some added headroom (efficiency/upgrades/swap-over in the long run/etc). 750W is a little overkill but if achievable for not much on top, grab one! The benefit being it does come with some additional cables which may have some use later down the line (esp the 4-pin EPS connector, although not required on the current platform).
Something like this:
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By comparison, the above $1529 build will deliver the same performance as the initial $2000 make-up. Marginally better performance with the OC'd GPU. If you want to put these savings to use:
I guess a 9900KS is a possibility, especially if you end up targeting a 360mm RAD (which I believe was initially a preference based on aesthetics). The i9 is pricey for the job at hand and opens up a narrow lead of 6% performance gains + multi-threaded support for some added future proofing. Personally I'd stick with the above 9700K plan and look for an earlier upgrade plan 4-6 years.
"Depending on storage requirements", possibly a 2TB NVME SSD. For a gaming build something like this works an absolute treat: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7MQG3C/intel-660p-series-2tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknw020t8x1
No case?
Back in the day this cooler required a separate AM4 bracket as the package only included an intel mount mechanism - something AMD was offering free of cost via support. Newer batches bundled in both AMD/INTEL compatible brackets. Unfortunately I couldn't find any mention in the Amazon listing of one being included which is is concerning as these units may belong to the previous stack.
Check with seller if included
If not, you can grab one for free from AMD support: http://thermalright.com/2017/02/21/thermalright-amd-am4-cpu-mount-upgrade/
...equally fantastic cooler for $5 less and includes an AM4 bracket: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8GBrxr/scythe-mugen-5-rev-b-512-cfm-cpu-cooler-scmg-5100
BTW - the 3900X already supports a stock wraith prism cooler which is pretty decent for the task. It runs surprisingly well but does sound-up at max loads. If interested, for a more in-depth comparative analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wzhh3zH9Hs The idea being you could always try it out and see how well it fares with your personal expectations. If undesired, you can easily swap it out for something beefier and quieter.
If you're investing in a dedicated streaming build the idea is naturally to remove performance taxation on gaming on the primary. This is best achieved with a capture card as OBS NDI chews up compute resources on the primary gaming build. Not all games are made the same - some will see greater impact and others lesser. How much of an impact this solution has depends on your stream quality hence limitations apply.
A similar taxed environment in a gaming and streaming build is opting for a single platform and grabbing a NVENC-encode RTX turing card (2060 super/ 2070 super). Only 6-9% performance hit on gaming, works flawlessly @ 720p 60fps higher quality presets or smoothly with basic profiled 1080p 60fps. The MAJOR benefit being cost-effectiveness and efficiency per the single-build solution.
If you want to lift this sort of performance levies all-together and fancy a dedicated streaming rig, grab a capture card.
Assuming you're targeting higher quality 1080p 60fps streams, you certainly don't need a 2700X to pull it off. Even a Ryzen 2200G APU (absent of a dedicated GPU) is capable. Alternatively for some added muscle, a Ryzen 1600/2600/2600X offers plenty of headroom for higher-RES/higher quality-preset encoding possibilities + paired up with a $80-$90 lower profile GT 1030 graphics card (or a $40/$50 used option/unless you have something at hand already).
Since 4 cores are sufficient for mainstream streaming (720p/1080p), the third option being a 6-core intel i5 CPU with integrated graphics.
The system exception error is usually a corrupt/outdated/missing/recognition driver issue.
Search "Device Manager" in the task-bar search field on the bottom left. Open and see if anything is marked with a compatibility warning.
When installing windows, was this done using a supplied media installation disk? Or was it a fresh install using MS installation media tools? Also after installation, have you attempted to update windows?
If you're using third party applications for peripherals or other external devices....you might want to uninstall them to narrow down the search. Or if this a fresh build with only windows installed the easiest and most convenient method would be a clean "Fresh Windows install" by creating your own USB installation media (using the MS Windows Media Creation Tool - an official Microsoft tool)
The link landing page hits a "permission denied" blank page with 2 custom build links. I'm assuming you're referring to the one housing a 3700X + RTX 2070 SUPER. If this is correct, it's a solid build for 1440p higher refresh rate gaming.
32GB RAM? Is this for gaming only?
If it's just gaming for around $1600, i'd do it a little different to maximise on performance. For eg.
The emphasis being: RTX 2080 SUPER. 1440p is more GPU-bound territory, although not the best value for a 20-25% increase in FPS performance but certainly makes a meaningful impact in game performance whilst keeping the budget intact. You still get around $100 to secure some eye-candy....RGB RAM, etc. For the cooler try out the stock RGB wraith prism cooler for the time being and if it doesn't suit your fancy (audibly/aesthetically) you can always upgrade later.
Assuming you're happy to up-scale with the suggested £1200 budget:
Grab a 3600X for £20 more. 2-3% faster + bundles in a better functioning stock cooler. Or stick with the 3600 and grab an aftermarket cooler with the likes of: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/HyTPxr/cooler-master-hyper-212-black-edition-420-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-212s-20pk-r1
Grab a 3000 CPU series optimised motherboard which doesn't require BIOS updates to support the 3600/3600X. These are MSI offerings marked with "MAX".
Ryzen is RAM speed/bandwidth prone for best performance. 3600Mhz modules for only 9 quid more.
GPU: The RX-580 is now more edging towards a lower/entry level GPU for 1080p 60fps gaming. Granted, for lesser demanding titles it would be a perfect fit. If you want something with a little more flare to handle more modern demanding games on top settings, something like a GTX 1660 SUPER/TI fits the bill very nicely. Essentially, 25-35% increase in graphics performance or in a number of games up to 40-45% gains. In other words, you want something that will last longer with plenty of perf in the tank.
Other perks: A better quality case and more importantly you don't want to skimp on the PSU, as the mother-power-ship is key to a "confident" build.
If you are targeting higher refresh rate gaming (144hz) you still have plenty of room in the budget to accommodate a beefier GPU. This ones down to personal preference / specific performance targets. For the games you have mentioned the above spec is simply more than sufficient!!
Plenty of cores/RAM and fast 2TB SSD makes x5-VM a doddle
Since the budget is "expansive", with a 144hz panel i've thrown in a RTX 2070 SUPER which suits up very nicely for 1080p higher refresh rate gaming. The GPU supports ray tracing + the display is G-SYNC compatible for smoother frame feeds.
If your VM-count grows in the long run, the current AM4 platform also supports the 16 core Ryzen 3950X and will be compatible with next GEN Ryzen 4000 CPUs. Personally I'd stick with the 3900X, save $800, and weigh-in the options when 4000-series hits the shelves in 2020 (subject to workload requirement).
How many VM's are you planning on running at a time?
Operating system required?
Peripherals required? (display/keyboard/mouse/etc)
^ if yes to display, what are you targeting in terms of display resolution and refresh rate (eg. 1080p 144hz)
If these are low-volume excel data sheets (not "huge" gigs of complex data calculations), general office use + gaming, you don't need anything above a Ryzen 3600 - a build achievable for $800
If you don't mind spending more for some added future proofing (for gaming), there is the 8-core Ryzen 3700X. Or save the money and opt for an earlier upgrade path within a few years for a more aggressive performance gain.
....GTX 1070.... still a fantastic gaming card. Esp. @ 1080p - will handle anything your son throws at it (demanding games on top settings)!
Would i be able to get away without one or are they pretty much required?
Would i be able to get away without one or are they pretty much required?
I use or have used a whole host of different keyboard shapes and sizes, ultra thin units, bulky ones and mechanical sky-scraper keys and never had the need to opt for wrist support. In fact, when tried, it felt a little odd as i'm used to keying up without one.
Just grab a keyboard and test it out. Use something around the home to temporarily create your own wrist rest and see how much of a difference it makes. If it offers meaningful benefit/comfort, you can pick one up from Amazon for under 10 bucks.
I'm glad I could be of help.
Feel free to ask if you have any further queries.
For gaming only @ 1080p (or 1440p) 144hz + overclocking potential, the 9700K is perfect! Assuming your 6-year old laptop delivers desirable performance for 3D modelling, with certainty the 9700K will have you covered there. For 3D modelling, the RTX CARDs rendering engine will smash those workloads into pieces. Plenty of performance here!!
the Mobo I posted is a standard ATX as far as i can see though. Can you go into more detail about the how it might not be the best for overclocking and maybe recommend a better Mobo?
the Mobo I posted is a standard ATX as far as i can see though. Can you go into more detail about the how it might not be the best for overclocking and maybe recommend a better Mobo?
Thats so odd! I swear I saw a Micro-ATX MSI Z390M. Maybe got muddled up with another opened parts list.
I would also avoid the MSI Z390-A PRO. It's an entry level motherboard with a poorer VRM cooling solution and again will limit power address in 150w category. A decent board for overclocking should easily draw 200W of power without performance throttle with good quality mosfets and sufficient HS cooling.
For a moderately decent affordable overclocking solution, something like this: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/CdPKHx/gigabyte-z390-gaming-x-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z390-gaming-x
Otherwise a more robust solution to push the CPU to a more rewarding overclock - the following 2 will do. I currently have the Asrock Taichi which is simply brilliant in all respects. Not the best UI at the BIOS-level (least friendly) but very easy to get the hang of.
edit: also can you explain a bit how the 2080 super is better than the 1080 ti? is it better to go for a faster GPU with a lower memory? How will the difference effect gaming?
edit: also can you explain a bit how the 2080 super is better than the 1080 ti? is it better to go for a faster GPU with a lower memory? How will the difference effect gaming?
There's a bunch of reasons you might fancy the 2080 super:
Most plausibly "cost". Older generation hardware which performs at equal balance, if achieved more affordably, becomes a viable solution. For a $300 mark-up in cost with inferior performance, simply put it's a rip-off. For this sort of money you would be better-off targeting a RTX 2080 TI which sees 20-30% game performance or workload render gains. At this point the 1080 TI only makes sense if it's achievable for $40+ less below the RTX 2080 SUPERs asking price.
Nvidias newer RTX cards deploy ray tracing as an added bonus. If you're a gamer and fancy those more realistic video lit-up environments "ray tracing" would be a difficult one to pass-up. At the moment only a few select games support RT, others are lining up and the future is geared up on the ray-traced path.
RTX cards employ "faster GDDR6" VRAM which compensates the drop from 11GB. The 1080 TI remains on GDDR5. Only a handful of poorly optimised games may fancy higher memory bandwidths but only see a few FPS gains (a negligible return). Whereas in general the RTX 2080 SUPER sees a 5%-15% gain in gaming performance which is vastly significant considering it's the newer and relatively the more affordable GPU. Later RTX code optimisations capped the performance bar higher hence older benchmarks may be misleading as the RTX card is shown in various screens as only favouring a 3%-10% performance lead. If you are intending on viewing online benchmarks make sure to search "2080 super" which is the revised variant from the initial "2080" standard model.
Simply put, it's the better and newer GPU.
BTW - if the budget isn't of concern and you simply want the best gaming GPU for higher resolution gaming (1440p/4K), there is the rather expensive RTX 2080 TI option. Personally i'd avoid it and grab the 2080 Super and look for an earlier upgrade path in a few years (or earlier as GPU's maintain decent re-sale value) for a more robust performance-savvy newer GEN card (eg. RTX 3000 GPUs are expected in 2020)
You said it yourself "if the scheduler is optimized". Oddly enough it is already, whether it leans purely on AMD requirements or not is another question all-together.
If you're scaling across all cores you're not going to see those performance advantages in single threaded workloads. If you're purchasing the 3950X to enjoy single threaded performance across a single or a handful of cores to profit with comparable performance then it makes the higher-core count endeavour pointless in the first place, unless other workloads are willing to make compromises.
The 3950X has the highest single core performance.
The 3950X has the highest single core performance.
This can be rather misleading for the buyer. It would help if you can distinguish where these performance recompenses take shape and form (type of workloads, etc). More-so, after the OP responds with the entailed purpose of use. In general, the single threaded supremacy continues to sit at the intel camp. In general, games see a clear advantage with a 9700K/9900K/9900KS - again the single threaded rise of the brawnier, which would beg for a statement revision.
No. But you clearly haven't watched the reviews if you think you'll LOSE performance by buying this CPU.
No. But you clearly haven't watched the reviews if you think you'll LOSE performance by buying this CPU.
You're taking matters out of context - but then again you are the "reluctant" geek lol
No-one is suggesting "LOSS" but a mere mention of higher core count utilisation taxing single threaded performance is a GIVEN and we don't need synthetic benchmarks to confirm otherwise as system architectures do not change over-night on the same platform. Granted, better fab/binning practices, more cores, greater clockspeeds, optimised code, etc puts newer generational processing power at a more robust frontier but CCX fill/share/enabler latencies remain and tapping into 2-3-4 CCX's (etc) is already "officially" confirmed to tax core ST's (some more heavily then others).
We should focus on the OPs requirement first as I don't fancy firing blank shots or form pathways which are non-aligned with the requirement.
With all the hype and positive video reviews I've seen on the upcoming Ryzen 3950X, I'm surprised to not see more threads or builds planned around the next big thing coming from AMD
With all the hype and positive video reviews I've seen on the upcoming Ryzen 3950X, I'm surprised to not see more threads or builds planned around the next big thing coming from AMD
A vast majority of relative discussion points or necessitated recommendations are usually focused on gaming builds or other lesser or similar arranged requirements. For these types of builds, the 3900X and 3950X are pointless. Gaming or basic build requirements adequately sit on 4-8 core modern day CPUs hence more emphasis will be shown towards Ryzen 2nd/3rd GEN CPUs or intel 8000/9000-series.
The oodling higher core-count (3950X) market share is smaller and better targeted by specific workflows which are capable of scaling across these number of cores or multi-threaded yields. The 12 core 3900X does desirably pop up occasionally at the consumer-end with the growing demands of gamers and streamers. These sort of simultaneous workloads are becoming more popular amongst gamers and likewise benefit with higher core count options. Keep in mind, the higher the core count the greater the performance hit on single threaded performance (latency). Various workloads are less inclined to more cores but will favour higher single threaded speeds (eg. gaming, various editing tools, general compute environments, design and modelling, etc).
I'm hoping to get some BF discounts on other parts of my build but is the 3950X actually going to be available to buy?
I'm hoping to get some BF discounts on other parts of my build but is the 3950X actually going to be available to buy?
ONLY consider the 3950X if your workload is capable of saturating this type of performance otherwise you'll just end up being a 16-seat bus driver with 8-12 unoccupied seats (if that makes sense).
Air coolers (which are technically liquid cooled) present zero cause for concern and function just as good as liquid AIO coolers. The only hurdle being "case compatibility" which isn't a problem with the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M. If interested, the D15 is now also available in black: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/84MTwP/noctua-nh-d15-chromaxblack-8252-cfm-cpu-cooler-nh-d15-chromaxblack
The selected cooler suggests you're planning on overclocking the CPU. For this purpose the Z390M motherboard from MSI makes for a poor selection and only moderately scales with overclocking. Also, you've got a standard sized ATX case and a MICRO-ATX motherboard. Although compatible, the shorter board sits higher up on the cases's back-wall which exposes attached cables at the bottom and just makes things a little less attractive through the glass panel.
You'll want to look past the 1000-series GPUs from NVIDIA for their newer GEN RTX 2000-SERIES cards. The 1080 TI is overpriced whereby the RTX 2080 SUPER (same performance) is achievable for around $900-$1000 CAD
A better quality PSU would be in order too.
If desired, for an amended parts list help us with the following:
Purpose of use? (gaming/streaming/editing/rendering/etc)
If gaming, what display resolution and refresh rate are you targeting? (eg. 1080p 144hz)
Are you planning on overclocking?
Any last things I should consider?
Any last things I should consider?
Depends on the user requirement. A little more info would help.
From the outset this looks like a formidable machine but if it's just gaming you're overloading excessively.
The 4-core 7700K belongs to a previous GEN family and you'll want something newer, faster and for gaming preferably a 6 or 8 core CPU.
The RTX 2080 standard is beaten by the newer revised RTX 2080 "SUPER" variant. More affordable and faster.
If going the intel route, something like this:
Keep in mind, although it's a beefier cooler the motherboard selection scales moderately with overclocking. If overclocking is of interest upgrade to the AsRock Taichi higher tier motherboard (or similar) and there are a couple of $80-$90 cooler options which deliver a little better performance for OC. If sticking with stock conditions, the selection of parts below are more than sufficient.
The Alternative - AMD route:
At 1440p games are more GPU bound whereby current AMD Ryzen 3000 CPU options deliver comparable performance. The AMD AM4 socket also sees an upgrade path in 2020 with 4000-series CPUs and current options with the likes of the 3700X enables multi-threaded support for some added future-proofing.
Stuck with the stock cooler which comes with the 3700X - great piece of kit. You can always upgrade the cooler later if it doesn't suit your fancy.
Preferably a RTX TURING card for hardware encoded streams to free up CPU resources. This will deliver lesser performance impact on the gaming side. The RTX 2060 SUPER will be your best bet to secure 240fps on low settings (whilst streaming). The Ryzen 3600 is more than adequate to meet these demands
How much of an impact will multi-tasked workloads have on game performance is anyone's guess hence the following 2 options:
OPTION 1: A foot through the door - BEST VALUE:
CPU: Ryzen 3600 / 3600X
OPTION 2: If the budget is expansive - A LITTLE PRICIER:
CPU: Intel i7-9700K. Faster single threaded CPU which gains favour in FPS performance + overclocking headroom if that's something you're looking to grapple with.
GPU: RTX 2070 SUPER (should permit 240fps @ medium/high settings or just adds some additional headroom to compensate hardware encoded stream FPS deficits)
For a beginner this is a "pretty fine" selection of parts and relevantly on par with the build requirement.
A nit-picker: I'd drop the aftermarket cooler as the 3700X bundles in a pretty decent wraith prism cooler (incl. RGB) and double up on NVME storage @ 1TB. Something like this:
For gaming, streaming and video render, you don't need a 970 evo as these types of workloads are least likely to saturate the drives sequential R/W speeds. These enterprise edition storage units are better aimed at specific workstation class builds which are more susceptible to IOPs-savvy workloads.
Other than the above, the build arrangement looks SOLID!!
P.S. If you see yourself sticking with an 8 core CPU without upgrading to higher core count alternatives on the same platform, i'd grab a more affordable MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX for around $120. This board is fully compatible with Ryzen 3000 series CPUs hence no BIOS update required.
Is this one of those special compos where you select a winner and purchase all the parts, build the machine and send it over in pink satin wrapping? If yes, can i add a Windows license too lol (i could do with some heavy-bass speakers too)
Fully modular + gold certified + great efficiency record + flat cables for easier cable routing: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ky4NnQ/fsp-group-power-supply-hg650
If you want to save money, this "marginally" lesser efficient + semi-mod unit handles anything you throw at it without any hiccups: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R2mxFT/corsair-power-supply-cp9020103na
Besides that, the 9400 is cheaper but why?
Besides that, the 9400 is cheaper but why?
I take it this is where things get a little mystifying and has you a little puzzled.
Older GEN CPUs (esp. intel) tend to maintain their MSRP price banding opposed to dropping in value when newer, better optimised and faster generational CPUs enter the market. The drop in price for older tech would be considered the natural course of action but the market dynamic or pre-engineered entrapment sees very little shift in price or value. Even the used market is influenced in the same manner which is a shame. Quite repulsively, some of these older CPU offerings also throw in an added premium as if it's ageing wine with taxable maturity - shame x2.
The 9400 is vastly better - a current generational CPU securing nippier single threaded performance (20-25%) and vastly superior multi-core performance (70-80%+)
Depending on cost/requirement, you might prefer the comparable Ryzen 2600X (multi-thread enabled) or if there is wiggle room in the budget the superior performing Ryzen 3600.
The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled.
The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled.
This is totally normal and "affecting my build badly...." doesn't even come into the equation.
Your build consists of a Samsung 970 evo NVME SSD. This device slots onto the motherboards M.2 slot. The M.2 slot shares the same lanes as one/two SATA ports. Hence, when slotting in your Samsung NVME SSD, one or two of the SATA ports will be disabled (normal).
Your motherboard has 6 SATA ports hence losing 1/2 isn't a problem unless you were planning on utilising all 6 slots in the long run (unlikely for the vast majority). All you need to do is refer to the motherboards manual and see which SATA ports are disabled and then avoid them when adding additional SATA devices.
Since no mention was made in reference to peripherals, i'm assuming this request is purely for the MAGIC BOX + OS:
For 1080p higher refresh rate gaming don't bother with the RTX 2080 SUPER. Grab a RX 5700 XT / RTX 2070 SUPER. Higher end cards are a better fit for higher resolution panels. For 1080p the performance advantage is just not enough to warrant a large spend for a higher end card (in other words: bad value unless user enthusiasm suggests otherwise)
The 3900X CPU delivers 12 cores which streamlines gaming and streaming simultaneous workloads without any limitations at the encoding end. The impact on gaming performance is not all that bad with these newer 3rd GEN CPUs. Or you could save money and grab a very capable 3600/3700X and place the encoding workload on the GPUs dedicated hardware encoder. As a result this will have a lesser impact on game performance, is capable of streaming @ 1080p 60fps but can be limiting in scaling higher for finer quality streams (or higher bitrates).
If you have a spare machine laying around, you might prefer the option of throwing in a capture card and running 2-build solution to eliminate performance hits on the gaming side. For streaming a decently performing 4-core chip is more than sufficient for excellent quality 1080p 60fps streams.
Looks good!
What are you targeting for the gaming resolution and refresh rate? (eg. 1080p 60hz)
Looking to upgrade, hows it looking?
Looking to upgrade, hows it looking?
It's looking "locked" and "mysterious". Uncheck "private" :)
Also it would help to know a little more about the build requirement (gaming/streaming/editing/rendering/etc).
For a Micro-ATX, try locating this one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h7WBD3/msi-b450m-mortar-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-mortar-max
Otherwise: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kRTzK8/msi-b450m-pro-vdh-max-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-pro-vdh-max
These recently made available "max" variants are Ryzen 3000-ready and do not require BIOS updates.
For WIFI either pair up the above 2 options with a WIFI PCIe card or grab a 2nd GEN MSI B450 with integrated wifi and as you suggested follow through with the CPU-less FLASH update process.
Personally I'd stick with the MAX variant with a dedicated WIFI card as it houses a larger BIOS chip, unlocks all features and is better destined to support further optimisations with improved perf + a more well-suited platform for Ryzen 4000 upgrade potential (future proofing).
If you're targeting a 32" panel for a close up desk display (assuming you're sitting at an arms length or a little more), consider a 1440p 60hz screen. 1080p @ 32" loses it's pixel dense structure being it's forced wider which ends up losing some of that sharper image quality. Very noticeable up-front, lesser noticeable a little away and flawless at a distance - hence it's down to your viewable distance.
I've gone through a bunch of these panels with various pixel densities and display sizes.
Generally for 1080p at arms reach, 22-24" work a treat.
1440p sits fantastically @ 27-32" (the smaller the size the sharper the image but depending on workload the variable here won't matter)
Are you serious about this build?
I mean for strictly gaming the following doesn't make sense:
12 core Ryzen 3900X
64GB RAM - only 16GB is required
A super expensive overclockers paradise of a motherboard with an entry level older CPU cooler
Dual-GPU config which is not recommended for gaming (sees very poor support/inconsistencies/crashes)
If you are serious about the build requirement. There's a bunch of things to amend and you'll be better off with a single RTX 2070 SUPER if you're targeting 1080p 144hz gaming. At this resolution, preferably the i7-9700K for it's superior single threaded performance and gaming FPS gains. Or push up on the sharper image 1440p variant and grab a RTX 2080 SUPER (or, not the best best value but the best gaming card currently available: RTX 2080 TI). At 1440p the Ryzen 3700X delivers plenty of future-proof performance and the 3900X will most likely sit idly beyond 8-core utilisation.
If you want to splash out regardless of cost for the best performance possible @ 1440p with "long-term" future-proofing in mind, you'd want to target something along these lines:
Or, the marginally inferior 3700X + X570 motherboard with higher bandwidth RAM combo, in hopes of achieving a faster upgrade path with Ryzen-4000 CPUs
The RX 570 should be able to achieve 60fps+ @ 1440p with a nice mix of medium/high in-game settings.
If you're seeing huge fluctuations in performance:
Make sure the GPU driver is up-to-date + Windows updates
EFT chews the living daylights out of CPU resources. You'll want to make sure your CPU is running optimally (achieving it's rated boost clock). The stock cooler is sufficient but you can untap some additional performance with a $30 aftermarket cooler. Also make sure you've enabled the memory XMP profile to shoot past the default 2133Mhz mem speed. The CPU's boost range is highly reflective of memory speed hence you'll want to make sure you're hitting the modules rated 3200Mhz frequency. Also make sure you have both memory sticks installed in the correct dimm slots to maximise memory bandwidth and lesser latency.
This part has me extremely confused because several times I have played so far in 1440p without issues and 50fps frame rate.
This part has me extremely confused because several times I have played so far in 1440p without issues and 50fps frame rate.
Any suggestions would be welcome! I am also looking in to a new GPU, I want one that will have no issues with 1440p and 144hz refresh rate. Suggestions on that will be nice as well!
Any suggestions would be welcome! I am also looking in to a new GPU, I want one that will have no issues with 1440p and 144hz refresh rate. Suggestions on that will be nice as well!
RX 5700 / RTX 2060 SUPER / RX 5700 XT / RTX 2070 SUPER are great cards for higher refresh rate gaming @ 1440p.
There are better options available but not the best of value (actually, more realistically put "way too expensive" unless the wallet is candidly indulgent).
For strictly gaming, don't bother with a 9900K. The 9700K is "top notch".
What the 9900K does better is multi-threaded support, delivering about 35% added compute performance which is better targeted for optimised multi-threaded workloads.
Games don't necessarily see much benefit. Where applicable, there's just not enough performance gain to warrant the $120 asking price. Often there is talk of "better future proofing possibilities" which is true but in a similar time-line spending less and saving more for a quicker upgrade path puts those long-term investments to shame.
OR what is the best cpu for gaming? (Thinking about pairing it along with a RTX 2080 super)
OR what is the best cpu for gaming? (Thinking about pairing it along with a RTX 2080 super)
If you're targeting a 2080 SUPER you're more likely to adopt a higher resolution display. Being HI-RES gaming is more GPU bound, and lesser CPU punishable, an AMD 3700X delivers parallel performance with the inclusion of MT support (matching the 9900K). Throws in an adequately performing stock cooler too, all-in-all for only $329. Value proposition at it's best!!
If the 2080 SUPER is aiming more towards maximising FPS on a 240hz 1080p panel - The 9700K's single threaded advantage has a noticeably better performance surplus (at stock + OC).
To simplify, if running at stock:
1440p/4K: go with Ryzen 3600/3700X. Also opens up 4000-series Ryzen upgrade possibilities on the same platform.
1080p: go with the 9700K.
If overclocking is part-n-parcel with the builds requirement, stick with intel
Ah.... thats interesting! If you're planning on posting up the completed build, link me up!!
lol just looking back - wheres the case?
Not sure how on earth I missed the elephant sized envelope for all this fine and dandy hardware.
I think imma stick with a small SSD or maybe just go full SSD.
I think imma stick with a small SSD or maybe just go full SSD.
If you're looking to save money:
You can also drop the aftermarket cooler. The Ryzen 3600 comes bundled up with a Wraith Spire HSF. It's a pretty competent unit and allows the 3600 to scale close enough to it's rated boost clock. What it does undesirably is ramped up noise-levels. Some buyers will be perfectly fine with this sort of acoustic range and it does save you close enough to 40 bucks. If it doesn't tickle your fancy you can always upgrade to something better later (super easy process and doesn't require disassembling the build).
If you're not bothered about Mobo appearance or may even fancy some 'red', this ones equally resilient for $15 less: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BHBhP6/msi-b450-gaming-plus-max-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-plus-max
For $10 less, a 550W 'semi-modular' PSU is plenty to fire up the rig + plenty of headroom for future upgrades https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na
For $10 less - 3200Mhz 16CL RAM memory which sees very little to zero noticeable performance drop. Plus, these modules have a good track record for overclocking frequencies/tightening timing controls for that added performance gain. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CsF48d/gskill-flare-x-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-16gfx
All-in-all, around $70 savings available or $100 if you short out on the SSD (for me the more SSD the better for the long run).
My thing is can my current AIO keep the 7700k cool during a stream @ 1080p 60FPS and running my games on a 2k screen while trying to go for the highest FPS possible?
My thing is can my current AIO keep the 7700k cool during a stream @ 1080p 60FPS and running my games on a 2k screen while trying to go for the highest FPS possible?
easily achievable with the AIO
Problem being you don't want to stream on a 4-core hyperthreaded CPU as performance penalties will be greater on the gaming side.
As mentioned earlier, you can lift the burden off the CPU and use the GPU's dedicated hardware encoder for streaming purposes. This way, the CPU's resources will be directed towards gaming to achieve maximum performance (FPS) and overall you end up with much lesser performance penalties on the gaming side. If you're not familiar with GPU hardware encoding, look up "NVENC" by adding the associated streaming client in google or something. For eg, "how to enable nvenc in OBS".
I'm up for switching out my gaming monitor to the predator anyways and game at 1080p but I liked having the 2k monitor for MMORPG style games and such
I'm up for switching out my gaming monitor to the predator anyways and game at 1080p but I liked having the 2k monitor for MMORPG style games and such
Keep the 1440p panel. Your GPU is more than capable of achieving excellent performance at this resolution. TBH, since I went 1440p, now reverting back to 1080p eliminates some (or a lot) of the game visual-appeal which I'm relishing on my sharper image and immersive 1440p panel. If your performance targets are set very high, although 90-110fps for me is a perfect sweet-spot, i guess a 1080p res does achieve around 35% better performance at the cost of visual-quality/sharper imagery.
What do you have your OC's at for your 7700k I'm completely new to overclocking too so I don't wanna mess anything up.
What do you have your OC's at for your 7700k I'm completely new to overclocking too so I don't wanna mess anything up.
I have a similar AIO cooler which easily manages 5Ghz @ stressed 82/83c and in more realistic work/gaming environments 78c max. Keep in mind OCing isn't going to reel in a massive performance boost as higher resolution gaming is lesser-CPU bound but since you already have a decent motherboard + higher end cooler, every bit of performance gain counts!!
Even at stock 4.5 Ghz boost, the 7700K is more than capable of hitting 100+ fps in demanding games on ultra settings (as much as 120-144fps in lesser demanding games or a fine-tuned mash up of lower and higher quality configurations without compromising any noticeable loss in visual quality).
If you're asking about the applied OC configuration in detail:
CPU VCCIO Voltage: 1.25
Cooler: Kraken X62
Keep in mind, a friend of mine has the same board, the same CPU and a similar performing case and cooler but only manages 4.9Ghz. I had a crack at his rig too and got it to shoot up on 5Ghz which passed prime-95/realbench/aida 64 with flying colours. But for some odd reason, unlike any other game tried, GTA 5 kept crashing after 5-10mins of play (flat out BSOD). Ended up settling with 4.9Ghz. Point of the story - not all CPU's are made the same OR other variables at play can hinder the 5Ghz race.
1440 p is a goal.
1440 p is a goal.
Once you hit past 1080p, higher resolution gaming becomes lesser CPU contingent and more GPU bound. For 1440p, a Ryzen 3600 CPU + a stronger 5700 "XT" GPU combo delivers anywhere between 10-20fps more in games (or 15-17% better performance in general). I wouldn't bother with a 3700X at this point as it is merely a long-term future proofing option which doesn't exactly see the same performance gains compared to the 3600+5700-XT combo @ 1440p. Where a handful of modern day games are better optimised to make use of 8 cores, the performance gains are lesser significant compared to a higher-end GPU which sees noticeably improved performance.
I figure the 570 mb would be one in which would make upgrading GPU or CPU easier but I'm still getting update on the new tech that I've been oblivious to lately.
I figure the 570 mb would be one in which would make upgrading GPU or CPU easier but I'm still getting update on the new tech that I've been oblivious to lately.
Unless you're considering 16 or 24 higher core count workstation-class CPUs (doesn't do anything for gaming) or require greater PCI 4.0 functionality for dual-GPU rendering (not recommended for gaming) the X570 would make sense. The expanded I/O functionality is pointless for the vast majority of users as standard consumer platforms are already abundant for mainstream use. Where the X570 may make sense is specialised work environments for multiple-GPU hardware accelerated rendering, or audio production systems which employ a ton of cores and specialised PCI peripherals/components, or any type of workflow which requires excessive cores
$1200 isn't an absolute max but I still need to buy a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. 144 monitor is a must so that's $200+.
$1200 isn't an absolute max but I still need to buy a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. 144 monitor is a must so that's $200+.
Lets say $1200 for the rig, $200 for the panel + $50 for a decent set of MS/KB = $1450
Thats around $1150 for the build and $350 for the peripherals
Don't know if streaming or editing is in my future or not.
Don't know if streaming or editing is in my future or not.
If you're serious about streaming and are able to up-the-budget by $100/$130, there's 2 options:
Grab the RTX 2070 SUPER which delivers excellent basic 1080p 60fps streams via it's dedicated hardware encoder. This option sees around 7-10% performance hit on the gaming side.
Or, grab the 3700X for CPU software encoding with 2 additional cores. This option sees around 10-15% performance hit on the gaming side, or as much as 20-30% depending on game type/stream quality configurations/or system processes.
At this point, i'd prefer the GPU upgrade as it runs more efficiently, draws lesser concern in game performance penalties and not forgetting the 2070 SUPER surpasses the 5700 XT with a 10-12% performance gain. Or in other words, compensates the game performance levy.
Feel free to weigh in your options in accordance to your budget and preference.
I'm assuming this is primarily for gaming. You can do better within the $900 budget range.
Following adjustments made:
12-15% faster Ryzen 3600 CPU
Better functioning aftermarket CPU cooler (cooler + quieter)
A newer revised Ryzen 3000 series compatible B450 motherboard (opens up greater upgrade potential for the long run)
Faster 16GB RAM. Take a single kit of 2 sticks for guaranteed consistency. 16GB is more than sufficient for gaming and for a whole host of other general use-case scenarios
Double up on the capacity and grab a faster NVME SSD. Place most-played gaming titles on the SSD and the rest of the games library on the HD. Benefit being: faster load times + faster in-game asset management
12-15% faster 1660 SUPER card. The "Super" variants were released recently and match the performance of a 1660 TI whilst maintaining the same cost of a 1660 standard.
All-in-all, with a faster Ryzen 3600 CPU + faster 1660 SUPER GPU, you can expect around 20-25% improved gaming performance (FPS) and a build which sits taller and wider for future-proofing.
Pre-builts is a tricky business. Retailers are more inclined to using just above average parts to achieve the performance required. Essentially, quality components/parts are the least of their concerns which strengthens their primary objective: PROFIT!
For a similar cost, or cheaper, the DIY solution eliminates the forced-fed undesired value of parts in exchange for more robust, better performing and more versatile alternative. Plus, the elimination of labour/service charges where the savings can be put towards more lucrative investments.
Should I buy the pre built or is there something wrong with what's listed as a combo or individual?
Should I buy the pre built or is there something wrong with what's listed as a combo or individual?
This list is not all that bad for a pre-built. Although:
A400 SSD is an entry level unit and for just $5 more you can secure a super fast NVME SSD.
The X570 mobo is unnecessary for a gaming build. A Ryzen 3000 compatible B450 MAX for around $100-$115 does the job just as adequately.
The AIO cooler is unnecessary. A more affordable $45 air cooler delivers parallel performance and runs quieter. If the RGB element is a must from an aesthetics point of view - I guess it's workable. I'd be more inclined to securing performance at the highest level first before adding eye-candy. Alternatively, the 3700X comes with a pretty decent stock cooler. Not the quietest but for a bundled HSF, it's magnificent :)
Personally I would avoid these louder blower type graphics cards for a partner open card with beefier cooling mechanisms. Less noise, improved thermals + a little OC'd performance!
A better quality PSU would be in order!
Before recommending a DIY solution...
Is $1200 the absolute max or is there some wiggle room?
Is this for gaming only or are you planning on streaming/rendering/editing/etc?
Are you targeting a standard 1080p higher refresh rate panel or looking to grab a higher resolution display (1440p/4k)? If going high-res, i'd aim higher at the GPU level.
Is RGB an absolute requirement? If yes, it's perfectly fine ..... we're all victims here (well i am) :)
Ignore the PCPP 'error' which is an error in itself.
These "MAX" boards are revised variants of the traditional B450s and the revision in question is purely for Ryzen 3000-series compatibility. In other words, no update required and fully compatible!
Faster RAM
Better performing CPU cooler
Faster NVME SSD (storage)
A GTX 1660 SUPER (only 1-2% inferior performance to the TI variant for $40 less)
A more airflow friendly case to keep things running cooler and quieter
A decent mechanical keyboard (if that's of interest).
All the above for only $25 more:
I'm glad you stuck with a 144hz display (144fps max). For me 240hz panels are over-rated. Personally I can't tell the difference nor does it aid and assist in better K/D ratios (for me). Granted, some users suggest otherwise - I guess i'm not as reflex-savvy. What 144fps does do is deliver exceptional performance and super smooth visuals which is already what I would call "overly saturated performance". Anything above that is just enthusiasm gone nuts or esports highly competitive specialists putting their superman reflexes to use.
Yes, but with something like a RTX 2060 SUPER/RX 5700 XT gaming card.
Also achievable with a GTX 1660 SUPER via a mix of low/med/high settings.
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For a more constructive parts list opinion, the build purpose of use would help too (gaming/streaming/editing/rendering/etc)?
Dont think i will need 64GB of RAM, based on what you say i think i would like 32GB. What is best 2x16 or is 4x8 better?
Dont think i will need 64GB of RAM, based on what you say i think i would like 32GB. What is best 2x16 or is 4x8 better?
Both combinations work well. The preference being 2x16GB on a consumer 4-dimm slot motherboard. More efficient + keeps 2 slots vacant for prospective upgrades.
For gaming, oddly enough, the 2x16GB solution in a handful of games delivers a nice push of 5-8% FPS and in a quad arrangement other handful of titles see 3-6% better performance. Most games see very little difference between the 2 options hence it doesn't really matter either way.
I will go for the Ryzen 7 3700x. Is the stock cooler good enough?
I will go for the Ryzen 7 3700x. Is the stock cooler good enough?
Definitely good enough! User preference may be more inclined to something that runs quieter at full load and may eventually opt for a beefier unit. Stick with the stock cooler and give it a shot! Upgrading later (if desired) is super easy and doesn't require build disassembly. As an added bonus, if you like RGB, the stock Wraith Prism delivers that too (if interested - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBQ1RUeV_oo)
we're going with 1080p at 144hz. 1660ti should handle that fine correct?
we're going with 1080p at 144hz. 1660ti should handle that fine correct?
Both the 1660 Super and 1660 TI will easily handle modern demanding games on top settings. The TI variant only holds a 2% performance lead over the newer 1660 Super and being the Super is $30-$40 cheaper it does make the better value card (with very little to zero noticeable performance discrepancy).
Considering the PSU, CASE and your 3600 CPU offering is already secured, which saves you plenty of dosh - there are possibilities here to secure a faster rendering GPU with the likes of a RTX 2060 SUPER / RX 5700. Not necessary but does offer around 25% higher FPS count.
Ryzen 3600 + 1660 super = 85-100fps (depending on game type)
Ryzen 3600 + RTX 2060 SUPER = 100-120fps (depending on game type)
Either way - both options are simply fantastic for 1080p gaming. Pushing up on a higher FPS model is more of a preference or a better arrangement for future proofing.
Ah, that saves you a little money.
Excellent case ...you can't do much better than a Meshify C!!!
PSU is half-decent and should get the job done. Preferably, i'd fancy something newer with a higher efficiency rating/improved protection features + newer capacitors/components. A decent PSU from 10 years back would be a better fit for a moderate power consumption build but for gaming I'd fancy something a little more robust. There's no harm in trying it out as it does seem consistent with the builds requirement.
Assuming you stick with the case and PSU. Thats a $150 saving. If you fancy putting this to use:
On the FIRST 1080p 144hz build option: You could push for a RTX 2060 SUPER / RX 5700 GPU.
On the SECOND higher resolution build option: Push up on the Ryzen 3600 CPU
For a more precise solution it would help to know what display resolution (1080p/1440p/etc) you'll be targeting? And whether you're looking to secure a higher refresh rate (hz) panel for pushing beyond 60fps? This will give some indication/direction for a more meaningfully constructive parts recommendation.
If it helps:
1080p 60hz is the baseline for all gaming displays ($100 avg)
1080p 144hz is where higher refresh rate gaming comes into play. 144hz = display is capable of dispensing 144 frames per second (fps). The higher the FPS count the smoother the graphics. ($150 avg)
1440p 60hz is where higher resolution displays creep in. Essentially, a marginally larger screen (27") with a denser pixel count = sharper image quality. In other words, visual quality at it's best!! ($200 avg)
1440p 144hz, the above + higher refresh rate ($250-$300)
If you simply want the best future-proof possibility you'll want to stick with 1080p as 1440p drops 30% greater rendering demands on the GPU
The case and display are over-priced.
The CPU cooler is unnecessary considering you're greatly compromising on CPU performance. For gaming and editing (i'm assuming video editing) + streaming, you'll want a higher core count and faster threaded chip.
Faster RAM is necessary for Ryzen CPUs + 16GB would do you greater justice
There's a number of things to call out on and it would be easier if you answered the following for a more hands-on solution:
Whats the budget?
What type of editing work? If video edit/render fits the bill, are you working on 1080p or higher resolution video content?
We're looking at a 850-950 budget.
We're looking at a 850-950 budget.
Faster Ryzen 3600 CPU + GTX 1660 SUPER combo. This works wonder for 1080p gaming!! Picks off around 100fps in "demanding games" via top quality settings. Lesser demanding games will see amplified performance. If you're picking up a display @ 1080p, you'll want to target a 144hz panel to uncap the GPUs capability.
The Ryzen 3600 (like it's predecessor 2600) both come with an entry level CPU cooler which runs adequately but a little on the louder side. If this is of concern, there are 2 options: 1. Grab the 3600X which stocks a marginally improved cooler, 2. Stick with the 3600 and pick up an aftermarket cooler for $30/$35. Personally I'd just stick with the 3600 - try it out with the stock cooler and if it doesn't suit my fancy (acoustically speaking), just grab a better one. These are super easy to replace and doesn't require a build disassembly.
The HI-RES alternative option:
If you're looking for higher resolution gaming and look to secure a 1440p/4K display, you'd be better off with a Ryzen 2600 + RX 5700 combo (more power at the GPU-level as games becomes less CPU contingent).
debating between the rx 580/590 and the 1600 super and the 1660ti.
debating between the rx 580/590 and the 1600 super and the 1660ti.
A simple answer: GTX 1660 SUPER!! (but boils down to budget)
how long will this system be able to play games
how long will this system be able to play games
Plenty of years!! Eventually you'll be forced to lower in-game quality presets if you're targeting a 5yr+ plan. For lesser demanding games the endurance levels are greater by age and resilience.
or is there upgrades that should be made to future proof a little more.
or is there upgrades that should be made to future proof a little more.
I guess there's always room for future-proofing or even better saving money now for a faster upgrade path for a more prolific performance gain.
It would help to know the following:
Your max budget?
What are you targeting in terms of display resolution and refresh rate (eg. 1080p 60hz)? This will give some indication of the performance target and hardware susceptibility
Other notes:
A better quality PSU: RECOMMENDED
A single 1TB fast SSD will suffice unless the games library suggests otherwise. You can always upgrade later with additional storage.
Other more affordable options with the case and mobo may just squeeze in a Ryzen 3600 chip. 15-20% faster and speaks volumes for future-proofing.
Prolific FPS render is "GPU" bound hence a discrete GPU makes absolute sense and eliminates compute latency!
For these types of games you don't really need anything beyond a 4 core CPU. Hence a Ryzen 3600 (6-core)
CPU for $195 makes absolute sense + paired up with a decent entry-level GPU (RX 570) or if you want to push on CS:GO @ 240fps, possibly a GTX 1660 SUPER or better.
Keep in mind, "FPS" gains in real-world tangible gaming performance is hard-limited to the displays refresh rate. The highest hardware buffer update with modern day gaming displays is 240hz - hence a maximum of 240fps. If you're seeing FPS counts which exceed this hardware limit, it's only for show and
determines the GPU's performance potential but does not do anything in real-time viewable performance. In other words you could be playing tetris with an RTX 2080 TI with an FPS potential of 10,000 - which looks great on paper but if your display is locked on 60hz, you're only getting 60fps.
Your currently selected display is locked @ 75hz = a max of 75fps.
Either swap out for a 144hz panel or if you absolutely desire 240fps, a 240Hz panel (gets a little pricey).
I see alot of builds in here that dont have a CPU Cooler, is it needed for this type of build or is it only for higher spec builds?
I see alot of builds in here that dont have a CPU Cooler, is it needed for this type of build or is it only for higher spec builds?
All builds require a CPU cooler. Some may stick with stock coolers which are usually bundled-in with the CPU. Others will look for aftermarket solutions (air coolers/AIOs) for more effective and quieter operations or beefier options (the premium range) for overclocking purposes.
If you're running the 9700K at stock (not overclocking), a $35/$40 air cooler will do the job nicely. $45-$55 for a beefier unit which runs super quiet. Anything beyond that is purely down to preference.
GPU, there are so many version of them.... the reason i picked the Super was that it has 8g and the other versions got 6g, but is it worth the price difference?
GPU, there are so many version of them.... the reason i picked the Super was that it has 8g and the other versions got 6g, but is it worth the price difference?
6GB VRAM is sufficient for 1080p gaming. 8GB VRAM adds a little better headroom for higher resolution gaming. The price difference doesn't only account for VRAM but performance in general, with a 10-12% performance gain. Overall it is the better card and in a GPU-cost-rampant market, $60/$70 is not all that bad for some added performance.
is the rtx 2070 worth the much higher price?
is the rtx 2070 worth the much higher price?
This ones purely down to your performance goals. If you are targeting a higher resolution display with the likes of 1440p/4K, the better the card the better the performance. For 1080p an RTX 2060 SUPER delivers excellent performance anything above would be in favour of higher FPS (20% or so).
Same applies with GPU hardware rendering for CAD DES/SIM. A higher end card delivers considerably faster 3D design render and smoother transitioning of super complex designs (more aiming towards enterprise engineering workstation job-lots). If you're just having a crack at CAD for some basics, you the RTX 2060 SUPER is more than sufficient.
I picked rtx 2060s and had a plan to upgrade to 2 of those
I picked rtx 2060s and had a plan to upgrade to 2 of those
For gaming a SLI/NV-LINK arrangement doesn't offer much benefit. Nvidia ceased support. Game devs aren't bothering much. Where it does work, performance discrepancies are constant, driver crashes are common and not much is being done in favour of SLI. Bottom line, for gaming, stick with one card!
For CAD, keep in mind the 2060 SUPER does not support SLI/NV-LINK. It's supported on the RTX 2070 SUPER.
and 64gb ram later on
and 64gb ram later on
For gaming you don't need more than 16GB
For CAD - you'd probably need a super weighty data-pitched file size with some ferociously complex design elements to demand 64GB. Generally most CAD applications only require 8GB of RAM for basic concepts, 16GB for more advanced 3D modelling, 32GB for more complex engineering samples and 64GB for similarly specialised workloads with uncommon gaping file sizes or running several simulations simultaneously. This ones down to user-requirement.
As a side note, i'd grab a Ryzen 3700X which is closely knit to the i7-9700K's stock single threaded performance but more rewardingly - enables SMT for 30%+ advances in multi-threaded workloads. If overclocking gains are part-n-parcel with the builds requirement, this would favour intel for it's OC-headroom - otherwise the more long-term effective 3700X takes the win for me, with a solid platform for other upgrade possibilities with Ryzen 4000 series (should it come to that) + PCI 4.0 for more higher I/O expanding possibilities (keeping SLI in mind too).
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8 Tips to Help You Find the Best Personal Injury Lawyer
Posted: Jan 24, 2011 |Comments: 0
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Most large cities have ample opportunities to hire a variety of personal injury lawyers. How do you know when they have your best interest in mind? Which law firm is in business to serve their clients instead of their own personal gain? I'd like to discuss eight tips to consider when you need a injury attorney that will work for you; not for a high turnover and big paycheck.
Quick Response: This tip covers two things; your ability to quickly find a personal injury lawyer and their ability to quickly respond to you. Ideally, you should begin your search within the first week after your accident. Two weeks is acceptable but one week is ideal. If your injuries prevent you from contacting an attorney personally, ask someone for help.
Experience is a Plus: Look for a Pennsylvania personal injury lawyer who has experience with your specific type of case. Ask for references and examples of cases similar to yours. Ask them about the timeframe and settlement awards they got in previous cases.
Face-to-Face Meeting: Telephone conversations only go so far in conveying your wishes and needs to your attorney. A face-to-face meeting is imperative to build the relationship of trust with your lawyer. Most Pennsylvania personal injury lawyers offer a free initial consultation, so don't be afraid to interview more than one.
Contingency Fee Basis: The last thing you need is to pay lawyer fees if your case is dismissed or you don't win. Contingency fee basis pay simply means if you don't win, your lawyer doesn't get paid. Expect your attorney to request about 30% to 35% of your final settlement amount. Read your retainer agreement thoroughly so you understand how and when your attorney will be paid.
No Ambulance Chasers: Quick turnover isn't the type of attorney you need. Ambulance chasers earned their reputation and nickname by the fact that their average case is evaluated and completed in a very short amount of time. Many of these cases are handled in a sloppy manner and the injured do not receive the maximum payout.
High Martindale-Hubbell Rating: Martindale-Hubbell is a peer-based review system that evaluates law firms in the United States and Canada. Their detailed rating system helps you find the best personal injury lawyer in your area.
Honesty is the Best Policy: Never, ever, be dishonest with your attorney. Always be perfectly honest and try to remember every detail. Share all photos and documentation so your attorney can properly evaluate your case and advise you to the best of their ability.
No Recorded Statements: Never give a recorded statement until you're directed to do so by your attorney. Simply state, "I am not prepared to give a statement yet." You may overlook very important details and these will be pointed out during negotiations and in the courtroom.
Hiring a Philadelphia Injury Attorney
These eight tips are simply a starting point for your search for a Philadelphia personal injury lawyer. Personal injury lawyers aren't difficult to find; a great personal injury attorney may be more difficult to pinpoint. Do your homework and find a Pennsylvania personal injury lawyer who will work hard to meet your needs. Don't settle for less than you deserve.
About the Author:
David Rosenbaum is an experienced Philadelphia personal injury lawyer practicing for over 15 years. He is an owner of the law firm Rosenbaum & Associates and oversees the litigation department. You can visit his website at http://www.rosenbaumandassociates.com or contact him at (215) 569-0200.
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Medium and message relationship poems
Some Literary Criticism quotes
Fenollosa, The Chinese Written Character as a Medium for Poetry, p; "The .. an iconic rather than a predominantly conventional relationship of form and content in The poem should give an immediate impression of having a ' message'. Most millennials are undisputedly addicted to social media, Their lives depends on likes they are going to gain, They don't care if their faces might be inside of. A lyric poem is a special communiqué between an I and a You. The message in the bottle is a lyric poem and thus a special kind of communiqué. The relationship between writer and reader is by definition removed and mediated The greatest poets have always recognized the oral dimensions of their medium.
However, my favorite is to show students a different side of Emerson. Rather than start with the essay, we start by the poem of the same name, "Self Reliance. We can annotate the heck out of it in less than a class since it is so short.
We can also bring in non-fiction to analyze why he would have included the date and to use quotes of him discussing compasses as a source to support their opinions of the symbols. Once they really understand the poem, students use their own figurative language to write their own poems about the voice inside them. With so many influences in their life I enjoy having students focus on listening to their inner voices and doing what they know to be right instead of what others tell them is correct.
It opens their eyes to the idea that just giving something a quick glance is never enough to make a judgement or call yourself experienced.
Besides repetition, we find imagery, metaphor, and alliteration. I use this poem as the opener in a packet of poems I have titled Perspectives. I ask students to discuss how this poem might relate to other topics beyond the examples of nature the poem contains. As a reflection, students write their thoughts on how they interpret the message of the poem.
Is it purely about nature, or is the poet addressing our perspective on other things as well? Have students compare the poem to Disney's "Pocahontas" or the recent remake of "The Lone Ranger" featuring Johnny Depp, and then move on to other cultures' current depictions in the media, i.
Hanging Fire by Audre Lorde While all teenagers can relate to many of the speaker's woes, this poem resonates most deeply with my African American female students. Reading this poem can lead to rich discussion of students' fears, large and small, as well as their relationships with parents. This one is a bit darker and uses allusions to Hitler, World War II, and the Holocaust to convey the speaker's perceptions of her father and feelings about how he treated her.
The poem could lead to discussions about abusive relationships, both physical and mental, and the long lasting effects they can have on children. It's a wonderful poem to teach imagery and symbolism. It can be difficult for students to initially grasp what is happening in the poem, but they can almost act out the events of the poem to help them "see" what the speaker sees.
This poem shows how poetry can be used as a tool for the speaker to reflect on life. Allow students to identify the shift in the poem and discuss the images created by the figurative language.
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Students may have different interpretations about what has happened to the grandfather by the end of the poem he is very sick versus he has diedbut as we all have loved ones who are old or failing, it is sure to tug on some heartstrings. The poem is the perfect lead in to writing about loved ones or getting creative with figurative language. This is always the first text we read, and I enjoy the poem because the theme is accessible, but the images are such that students really have to read closely to truly get it.
I have students spend a day analyzing the poem, and writing about the picture of childhood it paints for the reader. We then spend a day or two creating our own versions of "Where I'm From" poems, workshopping them with three sets of partners and then presenting them to the class. My students are always pleasantly surprised that they have more in common with their classmates than they initially realized, and I've found this poem to be a great way to get students excited about analyzing, writing, and sharing poetry.
Ego-Tripping there may be a reason by Nikki Giovanni This poem is all about how "bad" the poet thinks she is and is full of allusions to the reasons why being black and female is so great. You may want to have students listen to a reading of the poem by the poet to truly give it justice.
After reading, have students identify, and if needed research, some of the references in the poem. They can also write their own poems using allusions to show how "bad" they are. Naming Myself by Barbara Kingsolver Although the lifestyles of teens may change over generations, their search for a better understanding of themselves remains the same no matter the year.
What is the meaning of a name? Is it acceptable to marry someone from a different ethnicity? No doubt, this sophisticated poem will captivate your students and provide a meaningful learning experience. I love this sonnet because it sounds like a teen wrote it! It is as if the spirit grows in my hands. Or the words rise in the air. But there are others who welcome the transport poetry provides.
They welcome it repeatedly. They desire it so much they start to crave it daily, nightly, nearly abject in their desire, seeking it out the way hungry people seek food.
It is spiritual sustenance to them. A way of transformative thinking. A method of transfiguration. There are those who honor the reality of roots and wings in words, but also want the wings to take root, to grow into the earth, and the roots to take flight, to ascend.
They need such falling and rising, such metaphoric thinking. They are so taken by the ecstatic experience—the overwhelming intensity—of reading poems they have to respond in kind. And these people become poets.
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Emily Dickinson is one of my models of a poet who responded completely to what she read. Here is her compelling test of poetry: These are the only way I know.
Is there any other way. Dickinson recognizes true poetry by the extremity—the actual physical intensity—of her response to it. Rather, she recognizes it by contact; she knows it by what it does to her, and she trusts her own response. Of course, only the strongest poetry could effect such a response. Her aesthetic is clear: She read it with tremendous hunger and thirst—poetry was sustenance to her.
Dickinson was a model of poetic responsiveness because she read with her whole being. I, too, read for soul-culture—the culture of the soul. Reading poetry is for me an act of the most immense intimacy, of intimate immensity. I am shocked by what I see in the poem but also by what the poem finds in me.
It activates my secret world, commands my inner life. I cannot get access to that inner life any other way than through the power of the words themselves. The words pressure me into a response, and the rhythm of the poem carries me to another plane of time, outside of time.
Rhythm can hypnotize and alliteration can be almost hypnotic.
The moan of doves in immemorial elms And murmurings of innumerable bees. And onward, as bells off San Salvador Salute the crocus lustres of the stars, In these poinsettia meadows of her tides,— Adagios of islands, O my Prodigal, Complete the dark confessions her veins spell.
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The words move ahead of the thought in poetry. The imagination loves reverie, the daydreaming capacity of the mind set in motion by words, by images. As a reader, the hold of the poem over me can be almost embarrassing because it is so childlike, because I need it so much to give me access to my own interior realms.
It plunges me into the depths and poetry is the literature of depths and gives a tremendous sense of another world growing within. I need the poem to enchant me, to shock me awake, to shift my waking consciousness and open the world to me, to open me up to the world—to the word—in a new way.
I am pried open. The spiritual desire for poetry can be overwhelming, so much do I need it to experience and name my own perilous depths and vast spaces, my own well-being. And yet the work of art is beyond existential embarrassment.
It is mute and plaintive in its calling out, its need for renewal. It needs a reader to possess it, to be possessed by it. Its very life depends upon it. I paused for a long time to drink in the strange truth that all the sublimity of poetry comes down in the end to mere air and nothing more, to the sound of these words and no others, which are nonetheless delicious and enchanting to hear. The phrase has an elegance suitable for writing, for inscription on a cup or in stone.
Writing fixes the evanescence of sound. It holds it against death. The sound of the words is the first primitive pleasure in poetry. Stevens lists the love of the words as the first condition of a capacity to love anything in poetry at all because it is the words that make things happen.
There are times when I read a poem and can feel the syllables coming alive in my mouth, the letters enunciated in the syllables, the syllables coming together as words, the words forming into a phrase, the phrase finding a rhythm in the line, in the lines, in the shape of the words crossing the lines into a sentence, into sentences.
I feel the words creating a rhythm, a music, a spell, a mood, a shape, a form. I hear the words coming off the page into my own mouth—in transit, in action. I generate—I re-create—the words incantatory, the words liberated and self-reflexive. Words rising from the body, out of the body. An act of language paying attention to itself. An act of the mind. The pleasure all this creates in the mouth is intense.
The words are an erotic visitation, a means to an end, but also an end in and of themselves. The poet is first of all a language worker. A shaper of language. This is at the heart of the Orphic calling of the poet: The lyric poem walks the line between speaking and singing. It also walks the line between the conventions of poetry and the conventions of grammar. Poetry is not speech exactly—verbal art is deliberately different than the way that people actually talk—and yet it is always in relationship to speech, to the spoken word.
The slacked or shorted, basketed, identical Food-gathering flocks Are selves I overlook. Wisdom, said William James, Is learning what to overlook. And I am wise If that is wisdom.
One hears in this poem the plaintive, intelligent voice of a suburban housewife who knows she has become invisible, who wants only to be seen and heard. What particularly marks the poem as a verbal construct is the self-conscious treatment of the words themselves, the way the words behave in rhythmic lines and shapely stanzas. It belongs to no one and to everyone. Poetry never entirely loses sight of how the language is being used, fulfilled, debased.
Language is an impure medium. Speech is public property and words are the soiled products, not of nature, but of society, which circulates and uses them for a thousand different ends. Poetry charts the changes in language, but it never merely reproduces or recapitulates what it finds. The lyric poem defamiliarizes words, it wrenches them from familiar or habitual contexts, it puts a spell on them.When You Love The Wrong Person - Spoken Word Poetry
The lyric is cognate with those childish forms, the riddle and the nursery rhyme, with whatever form of verbal art turns language inside out and draws attention to its categories. The poem refreshes language, it estranges and makes it new. That power can only be released when the spell is chanted aloud.
And a charm is only effective when it is spoken or sung, incanted.
The lyric poem separates and uproots words from the daily flux and flow of living speech but it also delivers them back—spelled, changed, charmed—to the domain of other people. Two opposing forces inhabit the poem: The poem is an original and unique creation, but it is also reading and recitation: The poet creates it; the people, by recitation, re-create it. Poet and reader are two moments of a single reality. A Poet is a Nightingale The transaction between the poet and the reader, those two instances of one reality, depends upon figurative language—figures of speech, figures of thought.
Poetry evokes a language that moves beyond the literal and, consequently, a mode of thinking that moves beyond the literal. It is a collision, a collusion, a compression of two unlike things: It is a transfer of energies, a mode of interpenetration, a matter of identity and difference.
Each of these propositions about the poem depends upon a metaphor: The poem is a capsule where we wrap up our punishable secrets William Carlos Williams. A poem is a well-wrought urn Cleanth Brooksa verbal icon W.
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A poem is a walk A. Ammons ; a poem is a meteor Wallace Stevens. A poem might be called a pseudoperson. Like a person it is unique and addresses the reader personally W.
A poem is a hand, a hook, a prayer. It is a soul in action. What did he mean then? This book tries to tease out the implications. What especially concerns me here is how the reader actively participates in the making of meaning through metaphor, in thinking through the relation of unlike things. How do we apprehend these previously unapprehended or forgotten relations: The meaning emerges as part of a collaboration between writer and reader.
The singing of a nightingale becomes a metaphor for writing poetry here, and listening to that bird that natural music becomes a metaphor for reading it. And yet they are brought into mysterious visionary relation. Through this dynamic and creative exchange the poem ultimately engages us in something deeper than intellect and emotion. And through this ongoing process the reader becomes more deeply initiated into the sacred mysteries of poetry. Read More Epic, Drama, Lyric: Be Plural Like the Universe!
There is a lively history of poetry, and poetry keeps engaging, fulfilling, and transgressing that history. Literary works have conventionally been divided into three generic types or classes, dependent upon who is supposedly speaking: All were radically presentational: The genres do not separate out with such essential facility, and, if we closely analyze what they are made of, we shall find that from lyric poetry to dramatic there is one continuous gradation.
In effect, and going right to the origins of dramatic poetry—Aeschylus, for instance—it will be nearer the truth to say that what we encounter is lyric poetry put into the mouths of different characters. They have blurred, transmuted, crossed boundaries.