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I was "inferring" that "Evolutionists" do not depend on the "study of living species" specifically to suggest evolution from a theoretical last common ancestor.
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I always imagined that the TOE derived from the fossil record.
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The efforts to stay on topic are appreciated.
Concerning the diversion onto the fossil record, it appears to have begun in Force's Message 105, and it resulted a couple exchanges later in this from Randman's Message 108:
As there do not seem to be any recent threads discussing the fossil record, those who take issue with this characterization may want to propose a new topic.
All discussions will *by necessity* touch on a variety of off-topic issues. It would help keep discussions from digressing if references to other topics and issues were kept non-controversial.
For instance, if in a thread discussing Isaiah's passage about a virgin giving birth I were to reply, "The phrase actually refers to a young woman having a child, not a virgin giving birth to the Lord Jesus, who never existed anyway," I've pretty much guaranteed that the thread will now discuss the existence of Jesus.
In other words, no matter how much noise one makes about striving to stay on topic, making "fightin' words" types of declarations on off-topic issues doesn't lend such protestations much credibility.
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Do you still stand by this claim? If so can you actually tell us what some of this evidence is. At the moment it just seems to be a quote from that article not backed up by the actual research paper.
You said earlier that it was fine if I disagreed with Loomis statement but do you agree with it? If so why? what evidence supports it?
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Because the theory of evolution predicts that in humans the proportion of such alleles should be increasing, and so finding that it is increasing would not consistute a counter-example to the theory.
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You're interpreting falsifiability backwards and concluding that the more evidence from the real world that a theory explains, the less falsifiable it is. But the goal of any theory is the accurate understanding of reality, and the more actual evidence from the real world a theory explains, the stronger it is.
What makes a theory falsifiable is the real possibility of uncovering evidence which would prove the theory false. Mammal fossils in the Cambrian would be an example of hypothetical falsifying evidence against evolution. Every paleontological dig in Cambrian strata carries with it the possibility that a mammal fossil might be found.
That hereditary diseases persist through generations is part of reality. Any robust biological theory must explain this, which evolution does. The breadth of biological phenomena explained by evolution is a strength, not a weakness, and an indication that it has survived countless potentially falsifying observations and experiments.
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Apples and oranges. Yes, molecular DNA evidence can support common ancestry arguments. Absolutely. That is NOT the same as saying molecular DNA evidence could support your notion of "front loading", however. Can you supply a link where DNA evidence supports your notion of "front loading?" That is what you need if you want to win this argument. (And I want the actual study with the interpretation by the authors of the study - NOT the interpretation of someone else - particularly NOT the interpretation of a YEC. YECs have, as I have pointed out and documented already, a sordid history of misquoting evolutionary biologists.
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Perhaps we should introduce Randman to Mr. Hardy and Mr. Weinberg.
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So you agree that molecular data can make indications of what the theoritical last common ancestor's genome contained, right? That's what I cited in the OP, and yet you insist it can only be considered as evidence for Darwinism, not front-loading, regardless of what the data says.
Am I getting you right? Serious question, not baiting.
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However, evos do believe we can infer what sort of DNA and even specific types of genes were in extinct, ancestral cells, right? Sop here you admit that there can be evidence for front-loading, but you seem to think it cannot be tested. Nevertheless, evos infer what types of genes were in the LCA all the time.
Do you think the scientists that believe that can make valid statements on unobserved common ancestor's genomes are correct in doing so, or not?
And if you think they are correct, why would you challenge the concept only when front-loading is the hypothesis?
Additionally, this thread is about the specific molecular studies that do exactly that: that are used to make claims on ancient, theoritical common ancestors and their genes. As such, I am providing studies which are evidence for front loading because the front loaders predicted what the studies would indicate, and the Darwinists predicted the opposite and were wrong. That's what the thread is about here.
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No, I am not. I was pointing out the fallacy of Deerbrah's claim that mutations that reduce fitness are an indication and evidence against ND. She, I think realizes now, was mistaken on that part. Rather than drive that home, I jumped to the next point which was the same one all along, namely that ND doesn't really make falsfiable predictions according to evos, it seems. Pretty much an result as far as evos go is evidence for NeoDarwinism.
And no, NeoDarwinism doesn't explain reality that well, but maybe we should stick more closely with the OP here and focus on it.
Except it hasn't. No matter what the results of those experiments, evos just say it predicts it. There is no falsification even when apparent falsification has been reached, such as the case with the genomes of the theoritical common metazoan ancestor being what front loaders predicted, and not what evos did.
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His comments are the result of his research. His statement is that the research indicates this, but before we get into the paper and other papers, I think it would be interesting to settle the issue first of whether any finding at all contradicts NeoDarwinism.
Specifically, front loaders predicted this and evos did not, and the front loaders were right. However, rather than some acknowledgement that based on their hypotheses, the front loaders were correct and evos wrong, it seems the argument is, no, evos predicted it too or could have, etc, etc,.....In other words, is there anything NeoDarwinism predicts at all in regards to the evolution of the genome? Is any finding support for ND automatically?
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Not exactly. From what I can tell, first off, front loaders and some others that argued for internal mechanisms for evolution, do accept variation and perhaps speciation (species seems such an elastic term these days) as a result of Darwinian means. In fact, creationists and IDers do as well. The point is not contested except perhaps the speciation. But regardless, the idea is that some evolution within a range will occur, but that this does not explain the facts, the origin of higher taxa and a number of other findings.
So to honestly discuss "evolution", we need to be clear on what meaning we are discussing.
The big point is the genome starts out big, not that mutations or additions of new genes (especially since genes that were lost might come back) can never be involved. It does include the idea though of substantial loss of genes as a pattern of variation, but not necessarily some absolute.
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Having more types of genes is still very significant, but since you are introducing size of base-pairs, would you accept then that size is a standard which if violated, disproves ND?
Say we find an amoeba or some smaller, earlier evolved form with as many base-pairs as a human being, does that disprove ND?
Or does ND fit all facts, regardless, whatsoever?
Moreover, you are dodging the central point of this thread. Let's deal with it. ND posits that genetic changes result in morphological changes which are selected on by the environment, correct?
And so you would expect corresponding genetic changes as a result of morphological changes, correct?
Answering this question is vital to a fruitful discussion or just speaking of semantics.
I assume that yes, you agree that genetic changes precede generally morphological changes according to ND. One would expect then with more morpholigical evolution of all types of animals, there would be more evolution of the genomes of all biota. In fact, one specific claim of evos has been new genes evolving for new traits.
In this manner, evo theory predicted that simpler organisms would have simpler genomes. In fact, I've debated evos who insisted that was the case, and this is why evo scientists were generally suprised or shocked to find the theoritical last common ancestors would not be much simpler and that the theoritical common metazoan ancestor had genes corresponding to complex nerve function. They described these findings as "paradoxical."
One of the problems with this thread is the lack of any attempt by evos to admit these findings are "paradoxical" and explain why they were considered paradoxical. There doesn't seem to be a willingness to really address the OP head-on in that regard.
Front loaders made a different predeiction and said, nope, all those types of genes were specifically programmed or in place from the beginning and so explain the origin of higher taxa as a process where the program so to speak plays out. The predictions of the front loaders are turning out to be true if you accept some common assumptions of evos. Keep in mind I am not a front loader, just viewing these theories in light of the facts.
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So before we actually discuss the topic you want to discuss something totally different. Why not start another thread on findings that would contradict ND?
Don't just keep repeating the same claims, why not show us some specific instances where 'front loader's specifically predicted findings like this?
What specific hypotheses?
I already suggested what I thought would constitute some strong genetic evidence for front loading.
Definitely not, horizontal gene transfer (HGT) is one finding which is not supportive of ND in any substantial way, but it certainly isn't contradictory of it and once a gene has been introduced by HGT it seems to behave in accordance with ND population genetics. Similarly an ancestral genome at some point which was larger than some or even all descendant lineages is not something which supports or contradicts ND, but is still consistent with it.
As has already been pointed out the predictions of ND concern genetic evolution with respect to fitness and the spread of traits through populations. Even expanding this to include different evolutionary scenarios for the origins of genetic novelty does not produce anything the research you have brought up would contradict. All the research does is expand the minimal predicted genome of the latest common ancestor of the groups in question.
You go on to reiterate ...
Would you care to try and substantiate this from the paper yet? You seem happy to keep repeating the claim over and over again without apparently knowing if it is true or exactly what it means.
Please either address the criticism of this point I have pointed out to you several times or stop making the same misleading claim. To refresh your memory ...
Care to address this yet, or will you admit that 'complex nerve function' is not the be all and end all of these genes.
None of the papers you are touting show that simpler organisms don't have simpler genomes, all they show is that their genomes are not as simple as the previous simplest estimates of them. You have yet to produce any evidence showing simpler organisms don't have simpler genomes than their 'complex' modern counterparts. I have already detailed several data from the paper the OP is discussing which show that modern metazoan lineages have more gene types than the estimated LCA genome the paper posits, see Message 25.
Havign said that, as I pointed out previously, some LCA could have a more complex genome and not contradict ND, but it would have to have had a simpler ancestor itself at some point. We can accept almost any level of fluctuation in size and genetic complexity throughout lineages evolutionary history but they must have originated at some point from a genetically simpler form. Just pointing at one point on the lineage and saying, 'look how complex this is' shows us nothing other than the complexity at that particular point. it certainly doesn't produce a pattern of genetic change which contradicts ND.
Don't these 2 scenarios produce 2 potentially contradictory expectations of what we would predict to see? If not then how do the scenarios' predictions differ? Can you actually cite any specific prediction made?
P.S. Please start spelling theoretical correctly! I'm not a grammar or spelling Nazi but when you use a word so often it gets annoying when you persistently misspell it
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Please no-one fall for Randman's subtle trap. The largest known genome belongs to an amoeba, Amoeba dubia.
Of course this organism isn't 'earlier evolved' as such, even if its 'form' was.
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It'd be nice if you just corrected her logic to start out with rather than claiming my comment was a trap. It's not a trap but an illustration of the fallacy of her argument on that point.
On your other post, I'll get to it later but am heading out for a bit.
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UK set to send flagship aircraft carrier to ramp up Australian defence in South China Sea
The UK is set to send its only aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to assist Australia in the Pacific amid tensions over Beijing's militarisation in the South China Sea.
Last week, the UK Defence Secretary, Gavin Williamson, discussed the possibility of joint naval operations in the Pacific region with Australian defence minister, Marise Payne, and the country's foreign minister, Julie Bishop, during two days of talks in Scotland.
The ministers highlighted challenges to international "norms and conventions" in the region and clear threats to the "rules-based international order".
During a joint news conference in Edinburgh last Friday, which included the UK Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt, Mr Bishop welcomed the news.
Mr Bishop said: "At such a critical juncture in world affairs, we feel it is vital for like-minded nations to join together to promote peace and stability.
The ship can carry up to 60 aircrafts
"We couldn't be more delighted that the UK will be taking an increasing role in the Indo-Pacific."
Mr Williamson's comments reinforced his counterpart's optimism.
He said: "We're very much hoping and going to work together on deploying HMS Queen Elizabeth to the Pacific and hopefully sailing side by side with Australian vessels.
"And we want to make sure that everyone around the world understands that these two great nations are the greatest of allies."
Mr Williamson emphasised Britain's renewed commitment in the Indo-Pacific, including the opening of new embassies in Samoa, Tonga and Vanuatu.
HMS Queen Elizabeth is the Royal Navy's flagship vessel and can carry up to 60 aircrafts, making it the fleet's largest ever warship.
Deploying it to Australia water would be a large investment for Britain's Royal Navy. Once operational in 2020, it will normally travel with a "carrier strike group" involving numerous frigates for anti-submarine warfare, destroyers for air defence and potentially a hunter killer submarine.
During the press conference, Mr Bishop and Mr Hunt were also asked about Donald Trump's demands that Western countries double their defence spending. Mr Bishop said that the President had made "a very valid point", while Mr Hunt said he too believed Trump had a "point" about Nato countries that had not met the alliance's target of spending two per cent of their GDP on defence.


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Stars in the Garden at Dow Gardens Christmas Walk to benefit home care program
The community is invited to a Dow Gardens Christmas Walk, where MidMichigan Home Care will celebrate Stars in the Gardens.
The special holiday tribute event under the auspices of the MidMichigan Health Foundation will take place from 5 to 7:30 p.m. Dec. 6-8 and Dec. 14-15.
A hillside of softly glowing luminarias resting adjacent to the Dow Gardens barn provides a peaceful opportunity to reflect and remember loved ones and friends. Those attending are welcome to park at the Dow Gardens Visitor Center, 1809 Eastman Ave., and walk the one-fourth mile to the barn.
A contribution of $25 or more to the MidMichigan Health Foundation enables individuals to honor family and friends, living and deceased, with a handcrafted porcelain ornament. The ornament, along with a card explaining the special program and the name of the donor, will be sent to designees. For orders placed by Nov. 30, the names of the donors and honorees will be displayed in the Dow Gardens barn each night during the walk.
Donations of any amount are also accepted for those who do not wish to purchase an ornament. Proceeds from Stars in the Gardens benefit MidMichigan Home Care, including the Woodland Hospice House and its patients.
Those interested in more information or who wish to donate to the Stars in the Gardens may contact the MidMichigan Health Foundation at 989-839-1932 or visit www.midmichigan.org/starsinthegardens.
MidMichigan Home Care is also accepting hospice volunteers in the Clare, Gladwin, Gratiot, Isabella, Mecosta, Midland and Montcalm areas, including the Woodland Hospice House located in Mount Pleasant. Volunteer opportunities are available in a variety of areas, including bereavement support, companionship, fundraising and special events, gardening and landscaping, life review conversations, light housekeeping, music therapy, office administration, pet therapy, reception desk, respite care, sewing and vigils.
Those interested in becoming a hospice volunteer may apply at www.midmichigan.org/volunteers/hospice.


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If it hadn't been for a 'massive error' in Washington DC, the late Bob Gass and United Christian Broadcasters might never have met.
When just 29 visitors came through the doors of the two-day CRE in prestigious Washington DC in 1989, the event's UK founder flew home counting the cost of a commercial disaster.
'We were advised by our American partners that the capital would be ideal for the first event of its kind on US soil,' recalled Gospatric Home, now honorary president of CRE. 'It was a massive error. Despite a powerful marketing campaign to many thousands of church leaders, the attendance was embarrassingly poor.'
The exhibition was still in its infancy in the UK and the fledgling organisation did not need a loss-making event at such a precarious time in its existence. Unknown to Gos, however, one of the handful of visitors had been the late Bob Gass. And one of the exhibitors was United Christian Broadcasters. Until that day, they didn't know each other existed.
And, in the economy of God, from the smallest of acorns a mighty oak grew.
Bob proposed contributing a devotional to UCB under the title Word for Today. The first edition was published in April 1994 with a print run of just 3,500. The rest is history.
'Today, we are distributing more than 300,000 printed copies quarterly to the UK alone,' said UCB's publishing coordinator Laura Foxon. 'As well as this, more than 76,000 people are receiving it each day by email, over 88,000 people read the daily devotional online in the first quarter of 2019 and 76,000 people accessed the UCB Word For Today podcast via our app in the first quarter of 2019.'
More than 300,000 people each week listen to UCB 1 and UCB 2, which both broadcast the UCB Word For Today every day.
'None of this would have happened if UCB had not taken a stand at the exhibition,' recalled Gos. 'UCB must have been hugely impressed by Bob but it is quite normal for an enterprise of this kind to start quite modestly and grow in popularity. Many significant projects have begun through "chance" conversations in the aisles of CRE and we are grateful to God that we have been able to play a small part in his divine plans.'
In 1987, CRE National moved from central London to Sandown Park, Esher, Surrey where it takes place again this year (Oct 15-17). By the 1990s the exhibition was also being staged in Birmingham, Manchester, Harrogate, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dublin, Belfast, Torquay and Exeter.
'CRE has played a huge role in showing churches how to move with the times and grow and develop,' said Gos. 'Thousands and thousands of churches have modernised and continue to change in this age of the internet. Meanwhile exhibitors have got better and better at presenting their resources to church leaders.'
More than 4000 local church leaders and members, representing all major denominations, are expected to visit CRE National 2019, to be opened by former Manfred Mann singer Paul Jones and actress Fiona Hendley.
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Whitchurch Community Hospital
This section aims to provide General Practitioners (GPs) and members of Clinical Commissioning Groups (CCGs) with some more detailed information about our services. The information below is updated regularly, but, if you need to find out more detailed information about a specific service or have a very specific question about the service or referral pathway, then please contact the service manager or the key clinician detailed opposite.
Referral Process
- How does a GP refer in to this service?
Whitchurch GPs can refer directly to their own bed allocation within the community hospital by using the contact details on this page.
For all other referrals, telephone the Care Co-ordination Centre on 01743 454903.
You can also view the page that provides information for patients or carers by clicking the link below.
Community Hospitals and Health Centres
Types of patients regularly seen
Whitchurch Community Hopsital lies at the heart of the local community and provides a range of high-quality services to local people. These include:
- Community Midwifery
- Minor Injuries Unit
- Occupational Therapy
- Outpatients clinics
- Phlebotomy (blood tests)
- Physiotherapy
- Rehabilitation Ward
- Speech and language therapy
- X-ray
The type of patients normally seen by the hospital include those that do not need acute (main) hospital care, but may need rehabilitation care before returning home.
Patients not seen by this service
Whitchurch Hospital does not see patients who need very specialist acute (main) hospital care, or patients that need to go to an accident and emergency unit for a life-threatening or urgent condition.
The hospital does have a Minor Injury Unit, though this is not open 24 hours a day.


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Governor Abdullahi Ganduje of Kano State says he decided to create four new emirates in the state in order to take it to the next level.
The Kano State House of Assembly on Wednesday initiated and passed a bill splitting Kano Emirate into five emirates.
Ganduje signed the bill into law on the same day.
Many believe Ganduje created the new emirates in order to reduce the power and influence of the Emir of Kano, Muhammad Sanusi II, over political differences.
However, speaking to State House correspondents Ganduje said people condemning the decision "are entitled to their own opinion but we are taking Kano to the next level and we need the active participation of the traditional system, especially in the areas of education, security, agriculture".
The conversation was on the sidelines of the ongoing Progressive Governors Forum Award Ceremony holding at the State House conference centre, Abuja.
He said the emirate was balkanised because Kano State "needs the effectiveness of the traditional rulers.
"By decentralising it, we are following history. Years back even before the 800 years you are referring to, the situation was not that.
"So if something developed 800 years ago, things are also developing now and there will be another 800 years. So look at the history.
"So, it is not vendetta, I am not against him. In fact, he is supposed to be reporting to the local government chairman according to the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
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Cliftonville manager Paddy McLaughlin will be totally focused on the Danske Bank Premiership clash against Glentoran on Saturday and not the saga involving Glens boss Gary Smyth.
It seems Smyth might be leaving the east Belfast club after tomorrow's encounter with a new manager coming in.
But former Institute manager McLaughlin says they has nothing to do with him.
"We will just concentrate on ourselves and we have had a wee break there and they are back in and they are fully focused on the Glentoran game.
"Whatever is happening at the Oval will be a distraction for them and not for us.
"We are just concentrating on ourselves and we are looking forward to the game."
McLaughlin has been in charge now at Solitude for a number of weeks and he believes he is starting to gel with the players.
"I am learning all the time and every session we are learning more about each other.
"We are getting close to what we want out of the players in terms of the way we want to play and the fitness levels that we want.
"They have responded well to what we are doing and there work ethic in training has been superb.
"They have put the graft in and hopefully we can get a few results together.
"The split is coming up so we have plenty of big games coming up.
"All the games in this division are tough so we know the Glens will be a real test for us.
"Hopefully the guys will get the results because their commitment to training has been top drawer."
And Glentoran's Chris Gallagher says he is enjoying his time at the Oval and that he wants to win things with the east Belfast club.
"And as a player, even at this young age, I want to be winning titles and silverware, no matter if it's the league or the Irish Cup or the League Cup.
"I want to win silverware at the end of the day and that's what they are trying to instil in us, that winning mentality.
"It's going to take time, there's no doubt about that, but I think next season we will definitely be a lot better.
"But our target now until the end of the season is seventh place to get that European play-off spot and with the squad of players we have there, it's more than achievable.
"The last few years haven't been great for Glentoran but the fans have still been brilliant and in my short time at the club, they've been exceptional with me and the team.
"We just want to keep on improving."


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23 New Restaurants Participating In Houston Restaurant Weeks For 2018
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Houston Restaurant Weeks is a premiere event for Houston diners as it gives them the opportunity to try multi-course meals from Houston area chefs at budget-friendly prices. More importantly, a significant portion of every meal helps the Houston Food Bank: $3 from each brunch and lunch and $5 or $7 for each dinner, depending on dinner price. […]


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Spring Formation Day to spotlight evangelization, community
Two years ago, Father Joseph Williams directed all staff members at St. Stephen in Minneapolis to stop what they were doing for a time in the summer and during Lent. In the spirit of the Gospel of St. Matthew in which Jesus commissions his apostles to go out and make disciples, St. Stephen staff members were to leave their desks and go to the streets.
Eucharistic devotion should draw faithful to charity, community
This year we celebrate the solemnity of the Body and Blood of Christ on June 7. At the Basilica of St. Mary, we will mark the day with the celebration of the Eucharist, a eucharistic procession followed by benediction, and an invitation to participate in "Bread for the World."
Stewardship: A call to the heart that involves entire parish
More than a call for Catholics' time, talent and treasure, stewardship is spiritual and should not only bring us closer to God but also permeate all areas of a parish, according to Professor Charles Zech, who spoke at the April 20 Stewardship Day at St. Peter in Mendota.
Knights honor sisters for their dedication, service
Sister Betty Gits joined the Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet just after high school. After her first vows, she set out to teach elementary and junior high school for the next 21 years.
Rediscover: How do I live in communion with God?
– 'The Jesus Way': Building community, connecting to the Church
– Matthew Kelly – Togetherness
– No room for Facebook envy
– Tragedy strikes, a sermon sticks
– Speaker Series – Second talk: Living in communion with God
Bank officer works to improve urban housing situation
I think the most important aspect is I try to deal with people as individuals and respect them as individuals and as creations of God. Banking is a little bit of a secular world some days, so that can be a little challenging. I think we have a number of instances with the recession where people are having some economic challenges, and I get the opportunity to meet with them from time to time.
Outreach-based community still evolving after 25 years
Gordy DeMarais, SPO executive director, Christina Smith and Father Kevin Finnegan, SPO board vice president, recently talked with Pat Norby, The Catholic Spirit news editor, about St. Paul's Outreach, a Catholic ministry on college campuses across the United States that they began in St. Paul 25 years ago in response to the church's call for a "new evangelization."
Why I have chosen to be 'spiritual-plus'
"I don't need organized religion."
I hear that now and again. Or, "I'm not religious. I'm spiritual."
Sometimes the individual will add that he or she doesn't see the need of going to church: "I can be spiritual all on my own."


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Some Paleo dieters emphasize that they never believed in one true caveman lifestyle or diet and that—in the fashion of Sisson's Blueprint—they use our evolutionary past to form guidelines, not scripture. That strategy seems reasonably solid at first, but quickly disintegrates. Even though researchers know enough to make some generalizations about human diets in the Paleolithic with reasonable certainty, the details remain murky. Exactly what proportions of meat and vegetables did different hominid species eat in the Paleolithic? It's not clear. Just how far back were our ancestors eating grains and dairy? Perhaps far earlier than we initially thought. What we can say for certain is that in the Paleolithic, the human diet varied immensely by geography, season and opportunity. "We now know that humans have evolved not to subsist on a single, Paleolithic diet but to be flexible eaters, an insight that has important implications for the current debate over what people today should eat in order to be healthy," anthropologist William Leonard of Northwestern University wrote in Scientific American in 2002.
I also have had the "raw tunnel" of dough in the middle – TWICE now. I've followed the recipe to a "t," except for the name brand Magic Line Pan (I do have the correct size pan though). Thanks for the tip to cover w/foil. I did it after the 30 min, but I'll try it from the start. I also had added an extra 20 minutes. Strange ours turn out this way after reading how perfect others' turn out?! Thanks gals! Happy baking!
I am new to walking the Primal path, but was already missing bread and sandwiches. Thanks so much for this recipe. I made it today and it came out great. After reading all the reviews about the center not baking, I inserted my oven thermometer into the center of the loaf after 25 minutes of baking. Then I set the thermometer to alarm when it reached 195 degrees F. (That is halfway between the 190 degrees I use for white bread and 200 degrees I use for banana bread.) The center was nicely baked. Hopefully this will help others who try this recipe.
One common lament about those deciding to go on the Paleo diet is having to give up bread. But just because you can't eat what and grains anymore doesn't mean you can't enjoy nice slice of bread or two, just as long as it conforms to the Paleo dietary recommendations. Here is our select list of Paleo-friendly breads that you can use for sandwiches, toast, or just to enjoy on their own.
One larger randomized controlled trial followed 70 post-menopausal Swedish women with obesity for two years, who were placed on either a Paleo diet or a Nordic Nutrition Recommendations (NNR) diet. [7] The Paleo diet provided 30% of total calories from protein, 40% fat (from mostly monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats) and 30% carbohydrates. It included lean meats, fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits, berries, nuts, avocado, and olive oil. The NNR diet provided less protein and fat but more carbohydrate with 15% protein, 25-30% fat, and 55-60% carbohydrates, including foods similar to the Paleo diet but also low-fat dairy products and high-fiber grains. Both groups significantly decreased fat mass and weight circumference at 6 and 24 months, with the Paleo diet producing greater fat loss at 6 months but not at 24 months. Triglyceride levels decreased more significantly with the Paleo diet at 6 and 24 months than the NNR diet.
I made this bread twice. The first time I followed your recipe exactly, but it came out dry and sort of tasteless. I think it's because of my elevation and how dry the climate is here, so I added about a 1/4 c maple syrup the second time I made it and it's perfect! I really like this recipe, and I hope others at high and dry climates don't give up on it if they have the same problem.
If all else fails, this simple rule of thumb may make it really easy to shop for paleo foods. The layout of most grocery stores is quite simple: in the inner aisles you will typically find packaged, processed foods. Things like bread, pasta, cereal, flour, sugar, etc. For the most part, many of the foods stocked in the inner aisles of a grocery store will probably be "non-paleo approved items."
Thank you so much for what you are doing! I'm making my second loaf now and my family enjoyed the first one immensely. I finally was able to enjoy a poached egg on toast again. Your recipes are so easy to follow, and even substitute with. For instance I just finished baking up a ton of your "thin mints", and was low on Almond Flour, so I just threw in what I had, about a cup, and then added a half a cup of raw Pecans to the food processor and continued as directed on the recipe. It was perfect. So since I love to experiment, I'm making my second loaf with walnuts instead of pecans. It's rising and looking beautiful. I can't wait to try it.
Hi Jen, It sounds like it needed to bake for longer – this is why it sunk and was still moist. The timing varies by ovens and even different pans. I hope you'll try it again and just keep it in there for longer. You can cover the top if it starts to brown too much. For the one you made, depending on how moist it was in the middle, you may be able to salvage it somewhat by pan frying the slices.
Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health by Gary Taubes expounds on his 2002 article in the NY Times (What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?) and then in Science Magazine (see below). He shows how public health data has been misinterpreted to mark dietary fat and cholesterol as the primary causes of coronary heart disease. Deeper examination, he says, shows that heart disease and other diseases of civilization appear to result from increased consumption of refined carbohydrates: sugar, white flour and white rice. Or in other words, without using the word Paleolithic, he justifies the paleo diet. Here is an excellent chapter by chapter summary of the book [archive.org].
I forgot to say I used half al one flour and half sunflower seed flour.. I double the batch and I found if I let it sit for about 25 min, then put it in the oven it gets thicker as it sits and I still have to bake it for an hour. The tast is great. The next time I'm buying Honeyville flour and making it exactly like your recipe says. I'm just worried about mixing it to much. Mine is very dense and heavy. But yummy.
Thank you so much! I didn't have any flax for the first couple of batches, so subbed extra almond flour, then made it my bread machine and it was a hit. But for this batch, I doubled to make two loaves using the ground golden flax and baked it in the oven, and it was even better!!! My son who has celiacs loves it. This is a godsend with school lunches coming up again.
Even if eating only foods available to hunter–gatherers in the Paleolithic made sense, it would be impossible. As Christina Warinner of the University of Zurich emphasizes in her 2012 TED talk, just about every single species commonly consumed today—whether a fruit, vegetable or animal—is drastically different from its Paleolithic predecessor. In most cases, we have transformed the species we eat through artificial selection: we have bred cows, chickens and goats to provide as much meat, milk and eggs as possible and have sown seeds only from plants with the most desirable traits—with the biggest fruits, plumpest kernels, sweetest flesh and fewest natural toxins. Cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts and kale are all different cultivars of a single species, Brassica oleracea; generation by generation, we reshaped this one plant's leaves, stems and flowers into wildly different arrangements, the same way we bred Welsh corgis, pugs, dachshunds, Saint Bernards and greyhounds out of a single wolf species. Corn was once a straggly grass known as teosinte and tomatoes were once much smaller berries. And the wild ancestors of bananas were rife with seeds.
According to the model from the evolutionary discordance hypothesis, "[M]any chronic diseases and degenerative conditions evident in modern Western populations have arisen because of a mismatch between Stone Age genes and modern lifestyles."[26] Advocates of the modern Paleo diet have formed their dietary recommendations based on this hypothesis. They argue that modern humans should follow a diet that is nutritionally closer to that of their Paleolithic ancestors.
*Do NOT use an almond butter that you need to stir, as I did not have luck with it setting properly, and sticking to the coconut cream. I used Maranatha No-stir natural almond butter and highly recommend it! **You really only need about 2oz chocolate to cover the bars, but having some extra makes it SO much easier to get them covered evenly and quickly. The nutrition information reflects 2oz, but definitely use 3 to make it easier on yourself.
As I type I have my first loaf of Paleo Bread in the oven. I live in South Africa where we apparently don't have any flax meal…so I imported some from your side of the world and can't wait to taste the results. My daughter, who suffers with severe juvenile arthritis and for whom we all made the conversion to Paleo, and I made it together and experimented with your silver dollar pancakes for fun at the same time. Those were delicious and enjoyed with blueberries and a bit of honey.
This spring, Dr Cordain did an interview answering ten questions about the basics of The Paleo Diet®. To start your New Years out right, we wanted to share his answers with you. We hope you enjoy! - The Paleo Diet Team 1. The Paleo diet can be traced to a 1975 book by Walter Voegtlin, but, correct me if I'm wrong, you are responsible for bringing this diet to popularity in your 2002 book "The Paleo Diet." Can you me about your...
[…] I don't like the word "diet", so I'll say that this is more a way of changing what you eat long-term. It's all based around what our ancestor hunter-gatherers would have eaten, and what we've evolved to be able to process and absorb. The very basic level of it, is that you don't eat carbohydrates, processed meats or sugars, and cut out dairy products. You instead eat plenty of fresh meat, fish, vegetables, fruits and nuts. You can still have oil, provided it's natural – so coconut, peanut & olive oil are all good. The good thing is that you're also allowed to take this to your own level – so if you want a couple of days off a week – say, weekends, you can do it & it will still be a lot healthier for you. This is a really helpful site I've used to make a note on my shopping list of what's allowed: The Ultimate Paleo Diet Food List | Ultimate Paleo Guide […]
The China Study is frequently cited when criticizing the Paleo Diet – focusing on a vegetarian diet and consuming rice is healthier than the Paleo Diet. I respectfully disagree with that nutritional philosophy and strongly disagree with the conclusions drawn from that book [7], and will leave you to make your own conclusions based on your own self-experimentation.
I want to marry you because of this recipe (okay, maybe a tad dramatic). I only had tapioca starch so made it according to your instructions and subbed the flaxseed meal for chia because that was all I had but this bread turned out perfectly. I'm not exactly paleo and I'm generally a good cook, bad baker but this worked even for the inept baker like me. Thank you so much! Next time, I think I'll try topping it with sunflower seeds just for an extra bite!
Excellent recipe. I doubled the recipe so it's standard bread slice size. I baked it for almost 60 mins (fan forced oven 325F) checking it about 50 mins in. It turned out amazing. Very filling. One sandwich fills me right up. Each slice is about 240 calories if the whole loaf is cut into 16 slices. Thank you for the recipe. I will bake it several times a week. I wrap the bread in cheese cloth and inside a ziploc bag and keep it in the fridge so it will last longer. I'm Australian and I have to eat it with Gluten Free Vegemite. OMG… delicious. I use a Coconut Spread, basically taste like butter and smear vegemite on it and OMG YUM!!! I'm in love and found something I can keep around when I'm hungry on the spot. Thank you! I have a beautiful picture of the loaf. Too bad I can't find a place to post on here. If you have one made with coconut flour, let me know and if it sticks as well together like Almond flour. I think the Arrowroot does the trick to sticking it all together.
Elana, this bread is AMAZING. Seriously. We made some today, using ground chia seeds in place of the flaxseed meal, and xylitol in place of the honey (honey spikes my blood sugar too high, unfortunately), and it came out SO delicious. We used a little to do a trial run of Thanksgiving stuffing, and it came out JUST like our old corn bread stuffing recipe. I get to have stuffing this year!! Thank you so much for putting in all the work to get the recipe just right. It is much appreciated :)
Hi Louise. Thank you SO much for this recipe. I've done low carb before but am a newbie with the Paleo thing. I've never been one to eat bread or pasta very often anyway, but I do get a craving every now and then. I was skeptical that this would turn out terrible like the first time I made blueberry whole wheat muffins for my daughter (which she wouldn't eat, and she's not a picky eater), but I decided to try it anyway since it was such a small portion and it wouldn't feel wasteful if I hated it. I was still skeptical after I took this bread out of the microwave because it looked really "eggy" from the outside. Once I let it cool and sliced it, however, it looked more "normal" so I was relieved. Once I ate it, it was wonderful! Great texture, buttery flavor (I used the flax meal because I already had it on hand; only change I made was that I put 3 tablespoons of butter instead of 2-1/2)… I didn't even need any toppings (butter, syrup, nothing!). I literally ate it all by itself and pushed my soup to the side. So thank you very much! You have eased some of my worries about whether or not I will be able to stick with this way of living. I can't wait to have my daughter try it. I know she will love it just as much as I do.
I accidentally forgot mine when my "timer" didn't remind me. I remembered it and pulled it out after it had been in the oven an extra 13 minutes. It was almost perfect. I also just whisked vigorously as my processor is missing since the last move. I will definitely make it again, but I will likely play with it a bit as I am hoping to find a few versions to make regularly to replace my family's usual bread. Even our most finicky eater is loving these recipes so far. Thank you!
Love this bread only bread other then what I make at home I can eat. I have celiac disease, and Ulcerative Colitis, I have a allergy to corn, intolerance to carbs, yeast, soy, dairy, among a few other things. Julian Bakery Almond Bread is a life saver, reminds me of whole grain bread from my child hood. I love to put nutivia butter flavored coconut oil on it and toast it with cinnamon. IT does have to be toasted to hold up well but raw I like to use it to scramble in with eggs sometimes. Toasted it is great with almond butter and sugar free jam, avacado and eggs, bit of avacado mayo, and what ever else you wish. I find they work better as open sandwiches, then a true sandwich. Other thoughts try topping them with a paleo cheese after toasting and slowly warm it up to melt it on (Julian paleo cheese can take a bit to melt so low and slow as to not burn it) and it makes a lovely cheesy bread. One of my oddest and favorite things is a bit of nutiva butter flavored coconut oil and some caraway seeds as this makes it taste like a rye bread I use to eat as a child before my diagnosis.
Well my Bread wasn't tall enough for say sandwich stuff, and I am not sure if I did anything wrong, I know I used the wrong sized bread pan so that is one thing. However, I couldn't believe how great it tasted, it was more like a moist custard shortbread. The texture and color were perfect. I cut some thick slices and buttered both sides cooked them in a pan. I spread some sugar-free preserves on top, wow is that good. I may not have made it as intended but I can't complain. The flavor is amazing.
Arrowroot Starch: You may also see arrowroot starch labeled as arrowroot flour or arrowroot powder. It's made from tubers traditionally from a plant called Maranta arundinacea, but commercially it's often found as a mixture of various starches, including starch from the cassava root. Similar to tapioca starch, arrowroot starch is used in paleo baking to improve the texture of baked goods, lightening them up a bit, and help with browning.
I just made it using all the the optional ingredients but I didn't have a food processor so I whipped/mixed everything by hand. One thing I noticed is that the top of the bread cracked unevenly. Could I have over fluffed the egg whites? Maybe creating an artificial cut in the middle could solve that next time? It rose very well and nearly doubled in size, though the size is still a bit small for my liking. I will most likely use 1.5x the amount next time. It smells great and I'm about to chow down on this!
Where does nutrition info come from? Nutrition facts are provided as a courtesy, sourced from the USDA Food Database. You can find individual ingredient carb counts we use in the Low Carb & Keto Food List. Carb count excludes sugar alcohols. Net carb count excludes both fiber and sugar alcohols, because these do not affect blood sugar in most people. We try to be accurate, but feel free to make your own calculations.
The Hiwi are not particularly healthy. Compared to the Ache, a hunter–gatherer tribe in Paraguay, the Hiwi are shorter, thinner, more lethargic and less well nourished. Hiwi men and women of all ages constantly complain of hunger. Many Hiwi are heavily infected with parasitic hookworms, which burrow into the small intestine and feed on blood. And only 50 percent of Hiwi children survive beyond the age of 15.
Bought this probably about a year ago or so... Finally decide to try it. WOW!!! It's been 18 days and I've lost over 16 pounds, and I've been eating all I want, and am never going hungry, so I have no cravings for anything, fresh home-made Italian bread or even my all-time favorite corn-type snacks, especially popcorn. Tried some hi carb, processed foods after the first week... felt like crap and lost my desire to eat them. I assume I will plateau one of these days and will have to start exercising, but right now I have a sedentary lifestyle with my job and additional personal activities.
Another possibility is that maybe your oven is not well calibrater (which is normal) and your bread needed to cook longer. I suggest next time you insert the stick in a few areas to ensure it's done throughout. Also, it's a good idea to purchase an oven thermometer to ensure the temperature is where you want it during baking. They cost less that $20, I got mine for less than $10.
Obesity, heart disease, and diabetes: These are just a few of the health conditions that proponents of thePaleolithic diet, or caveman diet, blame on our sedentary lifestyles and modern diets, which are loaded with sugar, fat, and processed foods. Their proposed solution? Cut modern foods from our diet and return to the way our early hunter-gatherer ancestors ate.
Five roots, both bitter and sweet, are staples in the Hiwi diet, as are palm nuts and palm hearts, several different fruits, a wild legume named Campsiandra comosa, and honey produced by several bee species and sometimes by wasps. A few Hiwi families tend small, scattered and largely unproductive fields of plantains, corn and squash. At neighboring cattle ranches in a town about 30 kilometers away, some Hiwi buy rice, noodles, corn flour and sugar. Anthropologists and tourists have also given the Hiwi similar processed foods as gifts (see illustration at top).
My 16 month old son loves the bread. He prefers it over the bakery italian bread(full of gluten and yeast) that we normally get him. Plus our dog is allergic to grains, so now I don't have to worry about our son sharing his bread with her. As for me, I'm allergic to yeast and I've wanted to reduce gluten in my diet. Finding gluten and yeast free bread is nearly impossible.


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Review Hernan Bas at Victoria Miro
12 may 2014 by Charlotte Meddings
art:i:curate's contributor Charlotte Meddings, an independent curator based in London, visited the Hernan Bas' show at Victoria Miro and shares her review in our journal.
Rule breaking, clashing colours, bold forms, ostentatious patterns and elaborate aesthetics are the building blocks of Hernan Bas' 4th show at Victoria Miro.
Bas presents 10 works, all painted this year and inspired by Memphis Group.
Memphis group was an '80s Milan based furniture and product design collective, founded by Ettore Sottsass, one of Italy's architectural greats who then in his 60s got together with a group of young and aspiring architects to create a new line of furniture.
Originally dubbed The New Design the name took on a new presence when renamed Memphis Group after his record player stuck repeatedly on the Bob Dylan lyric 'Stuck Inside of Mobile (With the Memphis Blues Again)". He exclaimed: 'let's call the group that!' and the name like the record stuck!
Hanging out with me at the show today is the wonderful Mr.B, fellow artist and curator. We are immediately faced with garish colours and crowded domestic scenes with careful product placement in a nod to Memphis Group which are at times loud and overwhelming.
Heavy blocks of colour are embedded in more painterly strokes and textured specks of spray paint.
Stylish young men lounge in paint splattered clothes in 'To the Artist', or stand awkwardly almost all consumed by the array of surfaces and objects in 'Running out of Space'.
The Memphis look rules style over function and for Bas satisfies a fascination with a design movement that works to a more sculptural aesthetic, and it is this aesthetic that Bas is exploring and resurrecting into a new light.
Some of the paintings feel dated, but perfectly so as comment on a period now three decades ago. For Bas the body of work is 'exploring new ways of interpreting a definitive and somewhat overlooked period in cultural history, developing works centred around the kinds of characters who populate my practice, imagining who is the boy/man who would make this sort of space his own, what his home might look like… and what sort of psychosis would lead to this?' Bas continues "In my opinion, living in 'Memphis' means more than a love of bright colours, pattern and uncomfortable seating. It was an impassioned moment, a daring, bold-formed and wildly influential movement that is just catching our rear-view attention again."
Above the shouts of geometric forms and colour Mr.B points to a small edge in 'Stoneware Still'. It's the tiny delicate imperfections on a piece like this that expose the real beauty of the work, bringing it to life.
And in the noise suddenly silence descends and delicate beauty whispers for attention.
'Memphis Living' is on show now at Victoria Miro until 31st May.
The exhibition continues with a series of works on paper at Victoria Miro Mayfair, 14 St George Street, W1S 1FE
For more information on the exhibition click here.
Hernan Bas, Victoria Miro Gallery, Image Courtesy of Charlotte Meddings


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Suspended high above or swinging perilously close to ground, Ockham's Razor's superb artists amaze with new takes on trapeze and cradle routines in this highly unusual visual theatre drama.
With a cast ranging in age from 13 to 60, This Time is this award-winning circus-theatre company's thrilling new show.
Performed with unique aerial equipment specially created for the piece, This Time explores time and transformation and the ups and downs of family relationships, and shows how we are strong in different ways at different times of life.
Ockham's previous show, Tipping Point (LIMF2017) won the Total Theatre and Jacksons Lane Award for Circus at the Edinburgh Fringe and has subsequently toured the world.
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Author: Devised by Lee Carter, Alex Harvey, Faith Fahy and Charlotte Mooney
Director: Charlotte Mooney and Alex Harvey - Ockham's Razor
Costume designer: Tina Bicat
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Psychedelic trance (more often psytrance) is a subgenre of trance music, formed in the early years 90.
Psychedelic trance is derived from electronic music of the 1980s then expandable by many influences and Oriental Goa music originating from a province located on the Arabian Sea of the same name. A massive beach event was organized in Goa.
Thanks to the mass influflow of tourists to the beaches of Goa, the music moved to other countries and also evolved, hooking on ethnic influences (Indian bells, bongos, mantras, etc.). You can distinguish many psychedelic trance currents relevant to the regions of the uprising. In England, trance is more melodic, and intricate musical arrangements (Hallucinogen – "LSD", Man With No Name – "Teleport"). In Israel, trance is simpler, but more experimental (Astral Projection – "People Can Fly", "Mahadeva", MFG – "When We Dream").
The music is characterized by the most uniform bit of ripped 4×4 (although the artists do not differ from the inleting of broken bits-so-called. Breaktrance), interspersed with acitary Riffes often generated on Roland machines (among others TB-303), which gives the music sour, fatty and aggressive sound. The music is rich in intertwining sounds of seemingly unrelated links, and constituting one whole. Manufacturers use a multitude of effects echoes, Przerudu and chorus which gives the music a very spatial overtone.
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Elizabeth Munger Blanchard will be the Toast of the Town
May 11, 2005
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2005 Honoree for the Toast of the Town, Elizabeth Blanchard joins Pat Zwagerman, Executive Director of the Boys & Girls Club and Gary Nasalroad, Past President of the Boys & Girls Club and Co-Chair of the Toast of the Town. They want you to know that there are tickets available for the dinner to be held Friday, May 20, 2005 at the Community Center. You can pick up your tickets at the 806 Railroad Ave. office or call to make reservations at 525-7910.


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Episode 1: It Begins part 1
Dawn panted as she cantered down the kalye in Ponyville. Gotta to get to the Ponyville Hotel! She thought. She almost past it in her rush. She then bounded through the doors, up the marble stairs, and rapidly knocked on room 245's door.
"Uncle Armor, Aunt Cadance, open up! It's me, Dawn Bright," Dawn shouted. She then heard hoofsteps and then her uncle, Shining Armor, opened the door and said, "Dawn Bright great of you- Dawn didn't give him the chance to finish as she rushed in and hide behind a chair.
Aunt Cadance walked in as Dawn ordered, "If anypony asks for me I am not here. Understanding?"
Shining Armor nodded and grinned. Just then somepony else started banging on the door and shouted, "Shining Armor, Cadance, it's me, Twilight Sparkle, let me in! And Dawn Bright I know you're in there!"
Dawn gulped from behind her hiding place and started shaking. Shining Armor opened the door and Twilight burst in, looking angrier a than a rodeo bull.
"Dawn Bright," Twilight implored as she dragged Dawn sa pamamagitan ng her tail, "We're going to be late because of you!" Twilight looked down at Dawn. The two mga kabayong may sungay would have been identical if Dawn's main body color wasn't blue and her cutie mark wasn't the bright bituin surrounded in a bituin swirl.
"But Mom Sonic and Flashbolt are going to be there and you know how annoying they are!" Dawn begged her mother as she was dragged out the door. "But the Dash twin- was the last thing Shining Armor and Cadance heard as the whining unicorn was pulled out the door.
Sonic scanned the sky around the house for her brother. She saw a streak of blue and raced after it. She tagged the blue Pegasus just as a boom was heard and she went flying off.
"Ha, slowpoke," she shouted to her brother Flashbolt, "Try to bet that!" Five segundos later the arrogant Pegasus face planted into a cloud. "Tag," Flashbolt sinabi as he tapped his sister and raced off. Sonic narrowed her eyes and was about to chase her brother when both heard, "Sonic Rainboom, Flashbolt come here." Strange Sonic thought. Their mom never used her full name unless it was important. Everyone just called her Sonic since Sonic Rainboom was such a mouthful.
"Coming mom," the twins shouted. They flew right into her tumbling across their ulap porch.
"Hey you two," bahaghari Dash sinabi looking her kids. Flashbolt was her sky blue but a short cut, windblown, royal blue mane and tail of his father. He also had his father's blue eyes but they were always hidden under his racing goggles. Sonic on the other hand had her father's coat, white, but her mother's mane, tail, and eyes. She never wore goggles. There cutie marks were a lightening bolt with wings and a sonic rainboom (I wonder which is which hmmm…).
"You didn't forget about the get together, right?" bahaghari Dash asked her twins.
The twins groaned and protested but bahaghari Dash would hear none of it.
"Come'on guys, I heard from Pinkie Pie that Swirly Works has a new surprise!" bahaghari told them. "All the madami reason NOT to go," Sonic muttered.
Swirly clapped her hooves. It was perfect, probably the best she had ever done. Swirly looked at herself in the mirror and sinabi to herself, "Swirly, you've out done yourself, well maybe except for the princess' birthday. I mean what could have been madami spectacular than… and the multicolored parang buriko started going on to herself in her weird convoluted fashion.
Swirly Works looked just like her mother in build and mane/tail style but her mga kulay were different. While Pinkie Pie was pink, Swirly Works had a yellow coat, purple eyes, red and kahel mane, and a green and blue tail. Just like her special talent, fireworks, she was colorful and fun. Like her mom she was mga kaibigan with everypony, well almost everypony, and loved having late outdoor parties which always had a ipakita of her fireworks. She also loved to attend her mom's parties. Just then Pinkie Pie stuck her head through the door and said, "Swirly Works, OMC (Oh My Celestia), I saw that and it was super spectacular!"
"Thanks a bunch mom," Swirly Works said.
"Hey you want to ipakita it at the get together today?" Pinkie Pie asked her daughter.
Swirly Works smile turned upside down as she said, "I would pag-ibig to but those six other ponies are the only ponies in all of Ponyville that aren't my friends. I mean last buwan I made a special firework for hummingbird and all she did was hide under the sopa covering her ears."
"Awww come on silly willy," Pinkie Pie sinabi to Swirly Works, "it will be better this year."
"Okie Dokie Loki," Swirly Works sinabi as she bounced after her mom.
"Here you go little ones," hummingbird sinabi to the ardilya family. They chattered their thanks as hummingbird floated down. Her pet hummingbird, Tropic was perched on the mint green pony's shoulder. She hummed as she walked back to her family's forest cottage.
"Hello mom, I'm home," hummingbird quietly called.
"Hello, sweetheart," her mom called in an equally quiet voice, "we're leaving for the reunion."
"The re reunion?!" hummingbird sinabi as her breath started to quicken.
"Yes, the reunion," Fluttershy answered as she walked in the room. She looked at her sweet daughter who was beginning to hyperventilate. She had light green amerikana and a red and kulay-rosas mane and tail with a little hummingbird as a cutie mark.
"Ohmompleasedon'tmakemegotoit," begged as she began to slur her words cause she got nervous.
"It wasn't that bad," Fluttershy insisted.
"It'sjustthatAppleBuckwasbeingreallyloudandwell SCARY!" hummingbird said. But despite her protests, hummingbird walked after her out the door.
mansanas Buck aimed at the puno and kicked. He was rewarded with the thud of apples hitting the baskets.
"Good job mansanas Buck," his ma said, "now here a minute." mansanas Buck walked over to his ma, mansanas Jack. mansanas Jack looked at her son. He had a ginto amerikana with a messy green mane and tail with his mansanas cutie mark. "So you remembered the get together, right?" mansanas jack asked her son.
"Yup, but do I really have to go?" he asked his ma, "cuz that Cre has all her fancy-shamncy paint and artsy stuff. She can be really annoying, especially when she wants you to pose for one of her paintins. She may have every other stallion wrapped around her hoof but not me."
"Yes, you have ta go whether it be the easy way or the hard way," mansanas Jack honestly answered her son. He snorted and followed his ma down the road from Sweet mansanas Acres.
Creativity, or Cre as her mga kaibigan called her, cocked her head and sighed it was missing something she just didn't know what. Cre was in her room over her mom's boutique. The walls were a hand painted mural. The only pieces of furniture were her kama and desk. The kama was for sleep and the mesa was for drawing. Everywhere else there was art supplies. There were many stands with blank or in progress paintings. Her mesa was littered with drawings and the walls were covered with notes and sketches. There were paint cans, oil pastels, and pencils everywhere. Some would call it a train wreck but Cre preferred to think of it as inspirationally organized. She was almost done with her parents anniversary gift but she felt like it was missing something. Then her mom poked her head through the door.
Rarity looked at her daughter. Like her she was a unicorn and had a royal purple mane and tail. She also had a pure white coat. But Cre wore her hair differently and had sky blue highlights. Her cutie marks was an artist's palette. She was working hard on a painting and Rarity hated disturbing her but the get together was about to began and they were hosting it. She hoped her husband would finish the decorations.
"Creativity, dear, it's almost time for the reunion," Rarity called to her daughter.
Cre sighed and put down her paintbrush. She grabbed a drawing pad and a pencil. She wasn't going to let a silly party ruin her creative flow. Cre frowned and hoped that Dawn, that stick in the mud, wouldn't ruin her creativity with her uptight organization and rules. Cre sighed as she headed down stairs.
"Oh hello Twilight darling!"
"Rainbow Dash! Great to see you!"
"Pinkie Pie, you brought cupcakes. They look delicious!"
"Oh Fluttershy, darling, you look marvelous!"
"Apple Jack, you brought zap mansanas jam! Amazing, simply amazing."
Cre heard her mother greeting her mga kaibigan all the way from the tuktok of the stairs. She saw the adults talking and the teens standing awkwardly susunod to their parent. This get together happened every buwan when all the teens' mothers had a party having fun and stuck their kids in a room hoping them to get along. Every buwan something a bit different happens.
Cre took inventory to see that they were all here. There was Dawn Bright who had her nose in books all day. She never even took the time to look at Cre's paintings or drawing and always responded with its beautiful. There were the Dash twins, Sonic and Flashbolt. Flashbolt admired Cre, like almost every other single stallion, but while he left her alone, his sister was twice as annoying to her. At that moment Sonic elbowed Flashbolt in the ribs to stop staring at Cre. Then there was Swirly Works. She was just as fun loving and twice as eccentric as her mother. Her special talent was fireworks and threw huge outdoor parties to showcase them. Cre refused to go as Swirly accidentally destroyed one of Cre's paintings but her mga kaibigan sinabi that they were spectacular. Then there was Hummingbird, sweet girl but very shy. She was very nervous and when Cre even tried to make a conversation with her it went no where. And of course there was mansanas Buck he hated Cre for reasons unknown to her and refused to succumb to her charm. Cre finished walking down the stairs and joined the "party."
"Spike darling won't you watch the children?" Rarity called to her husband.
"'Course," the purple and green Pegasus said. Spike had once been a dragon but because of a wish he was transformed into a Pegasus. He still has dragon qualities, like breathing fire, not being affected sa pamamagitan ng heat, and chomps on the occasional gemstone. Cre considers herself half dragon because of this. The ladies walked into the room that Rarity and Spike had prepared for their party. Spike then turned to the teens and said, "O.K. looks like I'm going to watch you but your old enough, right? I'll just be upstairs working." And on that note he raced upstairs not wanting to be in the same room as the chaos that was about to unfold.
The teens walked into the living room and sat around the coffee mesa where they ate a small dinner. All went their separate ways, Dawn reading, Sonic and Flashbolt sleeping, Swirly Works fiddling with what ever was in the box she had carried in the house, hummingbird talking to Rarity's pet cat, Topaz, mansanas Buck practicing his buck for the rodeo, and Cre drawing. Cre glanced over at Dawn. Her face was blank and she was concentrating on the book.
"Stop it," Cre sinabi to her.
Dawn looked up and asked, "Stop what?"
Cre answered, "Being sooooo uptight."
"Oh yea," Dawn sinabi as her eyes narrowed.
Sonic groaned from the bookshelf. With those two fighting she couldn't sleep. "Hey, Flashbolt, you wanna play a prank?" she asked her brother. Jumped up and answered, "oh yea!"
The two fly over mansanas Buck who was too busy concentrating on his kick to notice the twins. Sonic stifled a giggle while Flashbolt sprinkled pepper on mansanas Buck's nose.
"AH AH ACHOO!" mansanas Buck sneezed as he kicked. He accidentally knocked over a vase which crashed to the ground. It scared Topaz away and hummingbird headed over to mansanas Buck.
"Be madami careful oh if you don't mind of course," hummingbird said.
"Well what is it? Do you want me to be madami careful or do what I want? Choose!" mansanas Buck sinabi to Hummingbird. She let out something like a squeak and ran away. Cre started yelling at mansanas Buck for yelling at Hummingbird. Sonic and Flashbolt started pulling pranks on everypony. Everypony started arguing and throwing Cre's paint at each other.
Swirly Works, who had been focused on her box until that moment shouted, "HEY WHO WANTS ME TO PULL THE RIBBON!" Somepony or another, in the confusion, shouted back, "SURE!"
"Okie Doki Loki," Swirly Works shouted. Hummingbird, who realized what was about to happen, kalapati under the couch. And then Swirly pulled the ribbon.
After the blinding light ipakita ended and the noise quieted. The room was covered in black soot. Everypony except Swirly Work was dazed and covered in soot.
"Hey, how you guys like that, super spectacular, right?" Swirly sinabi as she bounced around the others. Then the parents walked in. Everyone left in a matter of minutes.
Dawn Bright had her head down. Twilight then said, "I am very"
"Disappointed in you," bahaghari Dash sinabi to the twins, "Maybe it's"
"For the best that Princess Celestia," Pinkie Pie said.
"Wanted you to go with the others," Fluttershy continued
"On a Voyage to the Unknown," Rarity finished.
All of them shouted at once, "TO THE UNKNOWN,"
Swirly Works, "YEAH ROAD TRIP, or madami like bangka trip.
To be continued…
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I thought Miss Heinz had an Italian accent so I did that. XD This scene is so hilarious!
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filly twilight: uy where are u going!!!!!!
Discord: to make celestia be a filly!
Filly twilight: oh no u won't! (uses magic to call luna)
Luna: what!!!!!! happened!!!!
filly twilight:discord is on the loose!
Luna: i thought u defeated him!!!!!!
filly Twilight: he he going to turn celestia into a baby
Discord: I already Did!!!!! (evil laughing)
Luna: Now i have to take care of my older sister i mean my youger sister i mean my sister thats a baby!
Spike: (gasps!) what happened!!!!!!!!
Filly twilight: Its a long story spike!!!!
Discord: time is running out!!!!!! (evil laughing!)
To be continued.......................