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Equality Act is drawing opposition from feminists and conservatives alike
A prime case of "Baptists and Bootleggers": The Equality Act is drawing opposition from both feminists and conservatives, who claim that a law that requires people to be treated as the gender that they claim to be (rather than the gender they actually are) is going to be greatly disadvantageous to women, because it takes away "safe spaces" for women (not the best term, since that has loaded connotations, but I can't think of what else it would be called.) A man could then compete as a woman in woman's sports simply by claiming he is a woman, etc.
The "feminists" in your OP is the Women's Liberation Front(WoLF), a very radical feminist group dedicated to opposition to transgender rights. This fringe group does not in any way represent feminists as a whole. The "conservatives" in your OP are the Concerned Women for America, a conservative, evangelistic Christian women's activist group who( I dare say) do not represent conservatives as a whole.
Feminists are not, in general, opposed to trans rights, or the Equality Act. A small, radical group of bigots have appropriated the term "feminist" to give cover to their hateful attacks against trans people. They're a fringe group who can't get a platform in traditional leftist circles for their prejudicial agenda, and so have agreed to play kapos for Republicans who oppose them on literally every other issue they claim to care about. They're also so fringe that Republicans have had to import extras from the UK, where they are unfortunately rather thicker on the ground.
They're scum, basically. Hate-mongering quislings who will sell out every ideal they claim to hold to ally with people who will support them in their efforts to shit on a disadvantaged minority.
They're *definitely* not people who pretend to be feminist just to bash trans. They're feminists at the core, and have a long history as feminists, and are only incidentally and secondarily anti-trans. Their rejection of transsexuals being based primarily on their basic philosophy according to which there's no mental difference altogether between men and women, all observed and/or supposed differences being social constructs and/or the result of women oppression and/or of the pressures of the patriarchal culture, a position that obviously clashes with the stance of transsexuals (being a woman in a male body, etc... which assumes a difference between male and female brain). And also based on the idea that nobody who isn't born a woman can really be a woman, because he won't share the experience of being raised a girl and experiencing male oppression and cultural pressures girls are subjected to since birth.
And also, even though many social activists deny that such a thing exists, due to the presence in their midst of many men haters, who can only see transsexuals as sexually perverted males trying to steal from women the only thing they have ever been allowed to have : being a woman. When they aren't just simply pretending for sexual gratification. They don't hate trans per se, they hate the men they see pretending to be women, infiltrating women movements, stealing women achievements and entering women locker rooms. They don't see trans-women, they see men. Most would deny that transsexualism is even a thing. They're more lenient with trans-men, but they don't really spare them, either. Basically, these are traitors, "passing" as men.
They definitely aren't pretending. They have been and still are at the vanguard of all feminist movements, throwing their support at every feminist cause you are yourself supporting (and probably some you aren't). You want to believe that because it would fit nicely in your worldview where feminist activists are nice oppressed people who always fight the good fight against the oppressive male patriarchy, and trans activists nice oppressed people who always fight the good fight against the oppressive cis male culture. And where everybody disputing either group's claims is a hater. So, you'd rather invoke the "no true Scotsman" fallacy and assume that a feminist objecting to some or all of trans people claims isn't a true feminist (or is as rare an an unicorn) than face the reality of the presence in both group of people who have no interest whatsoever in the plight of the other group. Trans people who don't give a shit about the situation of non trans women and about the consequences policies they advocate for would have for them and feminists who don't give a shit about people who aren't born women and/or aren't physically women and about the consequences the policies they advocate for would have for them.
It's easy to accuse cis straight white males of being haters when they argue against trans-women in women locker rooms, because your world view definitely allows for them to be haters. But it doesn't allow for feminist women to be haters or to be deluded by extremist/fundamentalist beliefs that allow no nuance. So it becomes a problem when those feminists are arguing against the exact same thing, on the basis of longstanding views that you're otherwise supportive of, which can only be solved by denying that such sincerely feminist women exist, or at least are in any way representative or significant. I'm sure you'd have no problem agreeing with such a feminist stating "Given how much women are victimized, it's perfectly normal for a woman to be wary of all men and about their true intents, and to not assume honest intents on their part". But since you also throw your support to the trans cause, and to their claim that their gender identification shouldn't be disputed in any circumstance, you somehow have a problem when a feminist tells you "why should I assume honest intent on the part of a naked dick-waving person in my locker room just because he says "I feel I'm a woman", exactly?" "Why should I have to face such a situation that I find threatening and abusive and can't have a place where I feel safe, not even a place where I go to undress?"
Being a feminist doesn't mean that one follows every single one of your progressive (or not progressive for that matter) ideas. Feminists won't necessarily stop arguing for the protection of women interests just because you feel they should in such or such circumstances for the benefit of groups they don't belong to. They won't necessarily feel that a situation isn't threatening just because you say that they shouldn't feel this way. They won't necessarily share any of your views that isn't directly related with feminism, and in particular your definition of "woman". Their feminist views (that, once again, you probably wouldn't dispute if they didn't impact a group that you favor) might very well bring them to absolutely oppose your values. They can very well, and very logically, note that their own interests as non trans women are at odds with the interests of trans women.
These radical feminists aren't really rare among vocal activists (they're quite rare in the general population, but then again, casual feminists in the general population aren't necessarily very supportive of trans rights, either). It's just that you probably don't question their equally radical statements when they don't impact trans people. Think about it for a minute : why would you assume that one couldn't at the same time be a sincere feminist (like denouncing sexual abuses, or income differences) and being anti-trans? Is there any obvious reason you can see why being supportive of one issue would make you necessarily supportive of the other? And as I already pointed out, there are on top of this reasons why radical feminist ideology will not be accepting of the concepts generally advanced in support of transsexuals.
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"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it." ~John Stuart Mill
The unholy alliance of conservatives and radical feminists isn't a novelty, by the way. You can see it in action in their common fight against pornography, prostitution and sex work, which occasionally goes beyond the coincidental. For instance both will launch attacks pornography totally independently, but they will sometimes objectively ally and even cooperate with each other for instance to pass laws.
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I can't think of a definition of feminism that isn't ad hoc and that would imply the acceptance of transwomen.
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"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it." ~John Stuart Mill
If society is going to demand separate considerations, such as sports, for men and women at some point simply declaring one to be a man or a woman wont be sufficient for acceptance in exclusive activities. There are real biological differences between men and women that one cannot doublethink away.
And Im not sure why people are attacking the recognition of biology as hate. Its bizarre. That said, nothing is going to be resolved on this subject here. Its like the endless gun debates.
Personally I dont care what people call themselves, how they dress, what pronouns, what name, or who they have sex with. But I do have an issue with biological men competing in womens divisions merely because of a declaration.
But it is abundantly clear that men who switch to being women have a major advantage over women who were born women in many sports.
- Transgender weightlifter smashes women's world records, sparking backlash from Olympians
That said I do not see what "feminism" has to do with this.
"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it." ~John Stuart Mill
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Going by the OP's article, the feminists might be upset about having to share space with other women who are a) biologically male b) stark naked, and c) sexually attracted to them, d) somewhat lacking in decency. Not a difficult concept.
And even if you managed to have everybody agree that the definition of woman should be entirely based on gender identity, you still wouldn't have a general agreement that actual gender identity is the the same as gender self-identification. Besides the trivial example of someone lying, you can't demonstrate for instance that the TERF argument according to which you can't really have a female identity if you were born a boy because you haven't been subject to the same extent to the patriarchal pressures that mold a female identity, thus creating an unbridgeable gap between a biological woman and a trans woman is objectively false.
On top of it, as exemplified by this other thread going on, biological sex can't necessarily be objectively established, either.
The concept of woman is based on a binary division where each category is assumed to have all the characteristics associated with this category. As soon as you introduce concepts like gender identity being different from biological sex and such, or the idea that both gender identity and biological sex are fuzzy concepts, you don't have anymore a clear, generally accepted, and valid in all circumstances, definition of what a woman is, and as a result can't determine objectively whether such or such person should be deemed a woman in some or all circumstances. Everything that has to do with sex and gender is based in large part on arbitrary social conventions and as a result heavily disputable, and definitely not resolved by pronouncements ex cathedra by you or others.
You might have extremely good intentions and feel that you're sparing people grief by acknowledging without reservation their gender self-identification, but being nice shouldn't go as far as distorting reality. To be clear, it's fine to call someone a woman if she self identify as such, but it's not to make absolute statements like "transwomen are women" when you'd be hard pressed to define objectively and indisputably what a "woman" is, what "gender" is, etc... It might sound as nitpicking about the meaning of words, but it becomes important when competing interests are at play in which situation being nice amounts to playing favorites, and stating "transwomen are women" amounts to saying : "your concerns are objectively unfounded" when of course, you can't decide objectively, to take the example given in the article, that the subjective distress of a transwoman denied access to the women locker room should be given more importance than the subjective distress of a woman seeing a person with a dick in her locker room.
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Everything you wrote is a difficult concept for me.
"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it." ~John Stuart Mill
I don't understand what you mean, here. I assume you don't mean that transwomen are a third separate sex that should be equal to the others.
So, assuming that we're talking about two sexes, then of course transwomen would be included and equal to everybody else, but this still wouldn't say if they are men equals to women or women equal to men.
On top of it and more importantly, what you're trying to do here is, again, a true Scotsman fallacy. While it's obvious that not all people who define themselves as feminist, or who are generally considered as feminists support the transwomen right to be considered women, you're trying to interpret definitions of feminism so as to exclude them.
Feminists have historically fought for the rights of women, as they understood "women" to be. Which means that many never even wondered about whether transwomen should be included, and a significant number have openly excluded transwomen. They didn't fight for trans rights, and you can't invent a requirement for being considered a feminist like supporting transwomen, supporting gay people, favoring an universal healthcare system or liking Pepsi more than Coke.
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What trans rights are about is the current category shift in the social definitions of the categories "men" and "women". There is no intrinsic reason, for example, why the social use of the label "man" has to be synonymous with the category of "people born with a penis", any more than it has to be synonymous with the category of "people who are sexually attracted to women".
Is it "denying biology" to refer to homosexual men as men, even though (most) homosexual men lack the traditionally essential male characteristic of being sexually attracted to women? If not, then there's nothing intrinsically "denying biology" in referring to transgender men as men, even if they lack the traditionally essential male characteristic of being born with a penis.
Or maybe I should rather write "preventing women from achieving anything". Radical feminists have a very adversarial view of gender relationships (not just strictly radical feminists, in fact. You can see this adversarial view of gender relations in action for instance in the current thread about touching coworkers, where a certain number of posters immediately assume that the only reason a man could have to touch a woman would be asserting control and power on this woman. They don't just suspect that the man could have nefarious intentions, they assume this as default). So, they tend to perceive men as permanently trying to oppress women. And to assume that the motivation (not just the result) of a man's action is to oppress them (consciously or unconsciously). So, in this case it can go beyond the suspicion that a man who can't compete as man will pretend to be a woman so that he will get a medal, incidentally depriving a woman from it, motivated by egoistical self-interest, to the assumption that the man will pretend to be a woman *in order* to deprive actual women from a medal (again, not necessarily perfectly consciously), motivated by a desire to oppress women and put them back at their subordinate place.
Look for instance at the arguments used against the participation of transwomen in feminist events. You'll easily notice that it goes beyond the idea that transwomen aren't really women and have no place there. The idea is that they're men trying to deprive women from power *even within the feminist movement* and to gain control of this movement. They're not just wrong in thinking they're women, they're actively, sneakily, trying to oppress women.
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In any case, I still see what you say as an adversarial view of gender relationships. when you write that men behavior will reflect the cultural expectation that men are entitled to assert control over women, it still implies that it's what they do when they touch a woman (asserting control). And exclude a simple explanation like : "he touched her because it was a convenient way to get her attention" without not only nefarious intent, but also any subtext reflecting men entitlement.
This is definitely a view according to which any male behavior is interpreted by default as reflecting men entitlement and women oppression and the possibility that there could be a neutral or pragmatical explanation for these behaviors is rejected.
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Doesn't give me much of a positive impression about their global mental ability.
Some people knew how to kill a conversation. Cura, on the other hand, could make it wish it had never been born.
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The answer is zero and zero, respectively. Out of tens of thousands, there isn't a single one represented.
Transwomen are actually drastically underrepresented in elite sport. There are a handful of standout cases... which is exactly what you would expect given that transwomen are something like 1% of the population - eventually, someone's going to do something noteworthy. The idea that post-transition transwomen have any kind of innate advantage in any sport is, to date, utterly unsupported by any available evidence.
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As for the OP...
It's worth noting that RealClearPolitics is not exactly a "middle-of-the-road" rag. They're pretty firmly conservative - better than Fox News, but you're going to end up with framing like this, as though "feminist" and "conservative" are mutually exclusive and WoLF is a legitimate feminist group. Both of those things cannot be true, given that WoLF is a conservative astroturf (or should I say AstroTERF, ha ha) organization bankrolled by conservative groups that exists solely to attack LGBT rights. In fact, many such TERF individuals and groups are explicitly being bankrolled by homophobic and transphobic conservative groups - here's the Heritage Foundation hosting a panel of them.
Needless to say, I think the whole lot of them are both terrible feminists (and, more generally, terrible human beings). When you hate trans people so much you'll ally yourself with the fucking Heritage Foundation, you are not a feminist. You're a bigoted fuckstick who doesn't give two shits about women's rights, otherwise you wouldn't be allying yourself with a group that opposes women's rights at every fucking turn.
This isn't some great divide. There's a handful of astroturfed groups that the religious right is propping up to push back against LGBT rights. It's just become clear that "gay people are sinful" isn't going to cut it, so instead they're smuggling their bigoted rhetoric in under the guise of radical feminism, using Trans rights as the thin edge of the wedge. Because, as it turns out, once you start acceping anti-trans rhetoric, you tend to allow in premises that are easily used against the rest of the LGBT spectrum.
There's no divide here. These aren't "different groups coming together to oppose a bill". It's conservative transphobic bigots allying with and bankrolling other conservative transphobic bigots to make their conservative transphobic bigotry look less conservative and bigoted. But make no mistake - it is both conservative and bigoted.
Like, let's be clear here.
Here's a line from the article the OP links:
Pull this kind of transphobic, bigoted bullshit here, and from what I've seen you'll eat a well-deserved warning and thread ban.
The whole article is pretty much just this kind of disgusting transphobic horseshit from top to bottom. I'm kind of curious what Velocity wanted to achieve by posting it. Dude, did you not read past the headline? Or do you actually agree with this lukewarm gorilla shit?
Oh, and they're lying about Colleen Francis, as if this wasn't disgusting enough as it is.
"Baptists and Bootleggers". Penny Nance's previous article on RealClearPolitics is "When Will the Rising Tide of Bias Against Christians Stop?" which is exactly the kind of insipid "WAAAH PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME BECAUSE I'M A HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT" whining you'd expect given the title. Natasha Chart writes for the fucking Federalist. Really just Baptists and more Baptists.
"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it." ~John Stuart Mill
"I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it." ~John Stuart Mill
All of this is discussion about how society should treat and view people. Such discussions aren't based on hard and objective facts, any more than discussions about whether gay people should be allowed to be married.
I'm opposed to the law because it means that women can go around pretending to be men, avoiding glass ceilings, getting higher salaries and all the best jobs. And worst of all, getting the benefit of a shorter line for the men's toilets in bars, stadiums etc. This is unacceptable.
There are a handful of standout cases... which is exactly what you would expect given that transwomen are something like 1% of the population - eventually, someone's going to do something noteworthy. The idea that post-transition transwomen have any kind of innate advantage in any sport is, to date, utterly unsupported by any available evidence.It's an individual ancedote of a woman currently undergoing HRT, who has been on hormones for less than half the length of time mandated by the IOC. It's not representative of most transwomen competing in sports, or the regulations those women face.
But even so, hey, guess what - the fact that a transwoman can win an event or even break records in her class is not proof of what you're claiming. How do we know that Mary Gregory isn't just a really good powerlifter? How do we know it's because of her gender? We know that HRT has significant effects on a person's physiology, effects that are extremely negative for extreme sports. She's only been on it for about a year, but to completely discount her as an athlete because of that is... well, fucking gross.
Seriously, this line of argumentation is infuriating. It's like hearing a woman competing with Rachel McKinnon complaining that it was an unfair competition when she lost, even though she beat McKinnon in 11 out of 13 races they both participated in. Yes, this is literally something that happened. To quote McKinnon:
This is what the double-bind for trans women athletes looks like: when we win, it's because we're transgender and it's unfair; when we lose, no one notices (and it's because we're just not that good anyway). Even when it's the SAME racer. That's what transphobia looks like.(Bolding mine.)
If you allow transwomen to compete, then even if there are no advantages from being trans (hell, even if there are, on average, physical disadvantages to being trans), sooner or later by sheer law of averages a transwoman is going to win an event, or break a record, or do something significant. But at the moment, whenever that happens, the response is not to celebrate a spectacular athlete, it's to point and say, "SEE? SEE? TRANSWOMEN REALLY DO HAVE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE!" Regardless of how little sense that makes.
Do we know that Mary Gregory broke that record because she's a transwoman? No. Instead, you just point to a transwoman doing something significant, and act like that, in and of itself, is proof that transwomen have an advantage. But the evidence just isn't there yet. In fact, if you look at the IOC, they'd say the evidence just straight-up doesn't exist; that's why their ruling is what it is. If I were in a charitable mood, I would say that Gregory should have waited the IOC's recommended 2 years on HRT to compete as a woman. But I'm not. So can you prove that the reason Gregory did so well was because she's a transwoman? If not, stop assuming that she's a lesser athlete without any goddamn evidence. That's some transphobic bullshit, right there.
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This is also partially a Rachel Dolezal question. Why isn't Rachel Dolezal black? She said she's black, she ostensibly believed she was black, she acted in ways in which a black person would act, she changed her appearance cosmetically to appear to be black, she seems to say that she identified as black not out of some sort of choice, but rather as an expression of her 'true nature.' The bottom-line though is that Rachel Dolezal was not able to be black because she did not live the life of oppression and have the experience that was necessary to be considered black.
It's a similar argument from feminists over transgender rights. They certainly live a life with their own struggles, but they are not the same struggles that women have to go through. They can always choose to return to/pass as/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to their birth gender and escape the inherent oppression of being a woman. The fight that they have may sometimes intersect with the fight of biological women, but they are not the same and sometimes they are at odds, particularly when you start to get into the realm of 'self-identification.' If there is a scholarship for 'Women in Science' and someone who claims to be transgendered applies and is awarded this scholarship, is that really helping women? I think that many would argue it is not. If a company is found to be sexist in their hiring practices and has to hire more women, but hires biological males claiming to be transgendered women, are they now less sexist? Have opportunities actually been created for women? I think that's where a lot of the feminist concern comes from. It may or may not be ill-founded concern, but I think that it's legitimate concern.
There's another element of dissimilarity that's especially striking to me. Trans people have reached what might be called a "critical mass" of awareness. Our visible presence has reached a point where emerging trans people have the means to recognize themselves in us, helping each of them to develop a better understanding of their gender and what's best for them in their life. I've received hundreds of messages from viewers who've said that my work led them to realize that they're trans, but this has been occurring for decades – after Christine Jorgensen publicly transitioned in 1952, hospitals received thousands of requests from trans people who also wanted to transition (Meyerowitz, 2002).Bolding mine. It's a toss-up between this and the bit at the start where she rakes you over the coals for even making such an absurd comparison to begin with. Rachel Dolezal is not comparable to LGBT people. And grounding the discussion in terms of flighty notions about "what is race" or "what is gender" misses how completely these comparisons fall apart when comparing Rachel's life to the life of the average trans person, or "transracialism" to "transgenderism" in aggregate.
Seriously, read the article, then don't make this awful comparison again, please.
The idea that "if you don't like misogyny, you can always detransition" is just...
...What? The actual? Fuck?
(See if you can figure out where I'm going with this...)
...is a woman.
A slight aside. Lemme take a stab in the dark, here - well, not that dark, given your previous reference to Rachel Dolezal and the way you say "claims to be transgendered".
There's an assumption here that these people are pretending, isn't there? That they're really guys, just pretending to be women - presumably for all the advantages that come in our society from being transwomen (if you read that sentence without catching the joke, try again).
Now, maybe that never crossed your mind. Maybe it's also not subconsciously underpinning anything you're saying here. If so: good, because it's bullshit. It doesn't happen. Transwomen generally transition because they identify as women. It's not a prank, it's not a trick - they feel like they are women, they identify as women, they are often dysphoric because their bodies are not feminine, and this is why they put up with all the shit society throws at them - because the alternative is virtually unthinkable.
Anyone who knows the kind of abuse transwomen put up with on a day-to-day basis just for being trans would consider this idea somewhere between laughable, embarrassing, and dangerously misguided. This shit does not happen.
Now, as said, maybe you didn't actually think that. Maybe your phrasing is bad and your examples are bad and it doesn't, consciously or subconsciously, come down to this particular chestnut. But if so: what is this?
C'mon, man.
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And no two cis women have the same struggles growing up; a girl brought up by a sexist asshole father who expected her to be an uneducated housewife is going to have had totally different experiences to one brought up by, say, a feminist lesbian couple, but no-one thinks that means one is somehow less female than the other. The concept of 'feminists' who try to demand that all women have to have had one set of experiences to count as women, hence worthy of equality, would be laughable if it wasn't being used to affect real people.
If there starts being a wave of men who claim to identify as women simply to gain access to female spaces, then ways to prevent that would be worth considering.
There isn't.
Using a theoretical possibility that someone could be victimised in the future to justify present victimisation (especially of a group that already tends to get plenty of that) is just not a good argument.
Her second counter-point is that 'she didn't blend in very well.' Basically, she led the NAACP chapter (very well from all accounts) and 'made a spectacle of herself.' Really? That's a criticism? She wasn't particularly good at being black? So then if a transgender person tries to lead a women's group or 'makes a spectacle of themselves' that transgenderism and transracialism are the same thing? Because I'm fairly certain that somewhere I could find such a person.
Besides, this is disingenuous. Yes, there are transgendered people who suffer as women, but there are those who don't. Caitlyn Jenner as an example, enjoyed 50-ish years of identifying as a cis-gendered male before transitioning. She was able to partake of all of the benefits of being a white male until in her 60s when she was then able to enjoy all the benefits of being a minority spokesperson. This is nothing against Ms. Jenner, but saying that transgendered people suffer the same as biological women is misleading at best and frequently false. Yes, they have their own types of oppression, but it is NOT the same as the oppression faced by women.
The problem comes with self-identification. In our company argument, the issue is not that they would be hiring transgendered people, but rather, they would be hiring men and telling them to check the transgendered box on their application. Their medical records are protected, so a company can claim that they have no idea whether the individual is transitioning or not. In a fraud case, you would have to prove that the individual(s) were not transgendered and how exactly do you do that? It becomes a route that could be used to potentially exclude women from positions of power - which is what these feminist groups are afraid of.
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If transgender status doesn't make any difference, then why aren't there any FtM transgender athletes winning at the same level? Because, on average, biological maleness confers an advantage in sports in which males and females compete under the same rules.
So...it is.
Or keep doing it the way we've done it for millennia, and just go by what gender people say they are and how they present themselves? I know which one I would choose.
10 Things You Should Known About Concerned Women For America can be summed up in four words: They are fucked up
Has the IOC changed the levels of testosterone they allowed in 2015? A professor in physiology says the limit allowed in 2015 isn't fair:
Do hemoglobin levels become equal? If not, that would be a huge advantage. Whatever does change to equal, a complete reformatting of the body doesn't happen.
God, I'm fucking gross!
Look, if we are going to have discriminatory realms such as sport then we need actual definitions. Whats your definition of a woman?
Why this matters:
The only way to argue that this is a distinction worth making is to argue that transwomen are not women or to argue that transwomen do not face misogyny. Neither position is even remotely tenable.
...Look, I'm sorry, but this whole thing is really dumb. How about, if this ever actually becomes a problem, we address it then? Right now, people aren't "pretending to be women" to get into colleges, or jobs, or sports teams, or locker rooms, or lesbians' pants (literally a TERF talking point). Those are lies transphobes make up, not things that actually happen. Because right now, what you're doing is perpetuating injustice and prejudice because you're worried that maybe if we don't, there will be injustice. And that's fucked up.
Or, to put it another way...
Christ, dude, listen to yourself! This isn't "something that could realistically happen". This is the plot to a shitty Adam Sandler/Tyler Perry crossover that not even Netflix would fund. It's embarrassing. But it's only a little more far-fetched than some of the other things you and others keep bringing up.
But that's the basis of all this stuff. Transwomen aren't dominating women's sports... But if we let them keep competing they might do okay, so we'd better ban them from sports. Transwomen aren't assaulting women in bathrooms... But if we keep letting them into women's bathrooms they might, so we'd better ban them from bathrooms. Transwomen aren't... *checks notes*... being used en masse to get around equal rights amendments (jesus christ dude what the hell)... But if we let them exist, they might do this or that or the other thing. And sure, we could address it if and when it becomes a problem, but why wait for that to happen? Trans people are icky and shouldn't exist anyways.
If you accept this kind of nonsense moon logic, there is no discrimination or bigotry against trans people you can't justify by appealing to what might happen if you don't.
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It is currently very widely accepted that women have a right not to share their locker rooms with men, regardless of what you think of it, so there's a need to define who qualifies as either. Defining "I don't want men parading naked in my locker room" as meaning "I don't want people with a dick parading naked in my locker room" or rejecting the idea that someone is allowed to enter the locker room just because he says he should, or saying that 99 women shouldn't feel distressed so that 1 will feel good aren't some absurd and outrageous stances.
Especially if you consider that if there's no objective reason to feel distressed because a transwoman is present in a locker room, there's in fact no objective reason to feel distressed because a man is present in a locker room, either. The reason why women feel they should be able to avoid such a situation are cultural and subjective, and I doubt that most would be able to clearly enunciate what the issue is exactly, or would agree with each other if they could. "I don't trust people with a dick to enter a women locker room for genuinely innocent reasons, and I have legitimate reasons to feel this way" would be a position enthusiastically supported by yourself if it didn't impact another category you also support.
Just because you feel that the woman writing the article shouldn't be disturbed if the dick owner exposing his parts self-identify as a woman, and that the risk that a cis man will pretend to self-identify as a woman just so that he'll be able to enter the women locker room is close to inexistant doesn't mean that this woman should feel the same way and analyze the risk the way you do.
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Before I begin the riveting content, let me introduce myself. A few points that may increase my legitimacy in your minds:
1. I am Daniel's brother.
2. I played high school basketball with the current NDSU Bison QB.
3. I am a graduate of the University of Minnesota – Twin Cities.
4. I once dunked a women's basketball.
5. I have met Tubby Smith and I know Flip Saunders' son.
Enough of that. The important matter is that complete madness is at hand. Being a Gopher graduate, I'm excited they're in it. They face a Texas squad that was at one time ranked #5 in the country, but had a similarly embarrassing 2nd half of the season to that of the Gophers. A look at that match-up:
Besides the fact that they represent two of the largest universities in the country, they are pretty much statistical siblings. However, the statistic I found most interesting is one in which the teams are quite different. In games decided by <6 points the Gophers are 5-2, while the Hook 'Em Up Horns are a sheepish 4-5.
Here are some other key points to the game:
1. Key to a Gopher Win: Control the Tempo. The Big 10 is a very different brand of basketball than…well…everybody else. If this turns into a track meet, the Gophers will lose. They rely on defensive pressure, which is why they have an 11-man rotation.
2. Key Player for the Gophers: Lawrence Westbrook. Predictable, you might say. Sure, it's predictable, he is Minnesota's leading scorer. Why is he so valuable?? Because when he scores more than 13 points, the Gophs are 15-2.
3. X-Factors for Gophs: Damian Johnson and Blake Hoffarber. Damian could be huge because he's been hot lately and wreaks some serious havoc on defense. Blake…well that's easy. Just watch this and this.
4. Why the Gophs Could Lose: A.J. Abrams. The kid is a player. If he finds a way to break the pressure and get loose, he could do a lot of damage. I wouldn't be surprised if Tubby throws up to 4 different guys at him.
5. How Far will the Gophers Get?: 2nd round. I say that only because I haven't let myself think this far ahead, because it could be a meeting of Duke and Minnesota, my two favorite teams. If that happens I'll know how it feels for Papa Manning to watch Peyton vs. Eli.
Prediction: Minnesota 67, Texas 61.
It's Tubby Time!!

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-- Whoa Doggie! Fans Can't Enough of PIT BOSS; Network Commits to 14 New Episodes of Series Featuring an Ex-con with a Huge Heart for Pit Bulls
(Silver Spring, MD) � This winter, Shorty Rossi took a bite out of time � his time, that is. For the past several years, he's been reshaping his life after serving a decade in prison, dedicating his life to rescuing and raising awareness for the most misunderstood dogs � pit bulls. This year, Shorty took his passion to the small screen; with an A-Team of little people, viewers were able to peer into an unconventional world where little people take on huge roles in saving the so-called pariahs of the dog world. And the man in charge is the shorty called Shorty, and he best answers to the title PIT BOSS.
Shorty stands at just four feet tall, but that's the only thing small about him. An LA-based entertainment business mogul who founded Shortywood, a talent management company serving little people, Shorty has big ideas and lofty goals that he turns to gold. He leans on the success of Shortywood to fuel his rescue and awareness effort � Shorty's Rescue.
The debut season of PIT BOSS put Shorty, his staff and his pit bulls among the most popular fan-fav series on Animal Planet. With the success and the unwavering support and excitement among fans, Animal Planet is ordering a 14 more episodes to air this summer.
In league with the tone, direction and spirit of the first six episodes (the sixth premiering February 27), the summer episodes will continue to focus on Shorty's relentless work in repainting the image of the pit bull and rescuing LA-area pooches from unhealthy, neglectful and sometimes abusive situations. The new episodes will maintain a spotlight on this unconventional, extraordinary group of little people with big hearts.
"We loved Shorty, his team and his pit bulls from the minute we met him and are delighted our audience does too," says Marjorie Kaplan, president and general manager of Animal Planet. "PIT BOSS has become one of Animal Planet's top series, and the PIT BOSS fan site is currently our most visited. Happily, this leaves us only one option - we must bring back this fan favorite!"
"I am living my dream to the fullest," says Shorty. "It's the ultimate success to have combined my love for entertainment and my passion for pit bulls. I hear from fans several times a day via fan mail, Facebook, Twitter and MySpace, and I read each and every word they are expressing. My heart is overjoyed, my spirit fulfilled and I can only hope to continue to inspire people the way they and these dogs have inspired me."
PIT BOSS is produced for Animal Planet by Intuitive Entertainment. Kevin Dill and Mechelle Collins are executive producers for Intuitive Entertainment. Erin Wanner is executive producer for Animal Planet.
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The college experience — the fads; the controversies; the ever-changing expectations of students, parents and faculty members; and especially the sports — that experience was always a central element of LIFE's stated mission to "see the world." And with the (utterly unsurprising) exception of football, no other college sport captured the magazine's attention quite like basketball.
Here, LIFE.com presents a gallery of photographs from the '40s, '50s and '60s featuring college legends (Lew Alcindor, a.k.a, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar; Oscar Robertson; Pete Maravich; Wilt Chamberlain; Bob Cousy; Jerry Lucas) as well as other players who made brief splashes in their time and then — like so many athletes, great and small — quietly faded from the public's view.
A prime example of the latter, albeit with a far more interesting story than most: Yale's Tony Lavelli (see slide #7 in this gallery), a terrific 6' 3" forward in the late 1940s who scored close to 2,000 points as an Eli and graduated as the fourth highest-scorer in college history. (Note: He's no longer in the all-time top 30.) Lavelli was selected as the Boston Celtics' first pick in the 1949 draft. But as music was his true passion and he had hoped to study at Julliard in New York, Lavelli agreed to sign with Boston on one, unusual condition: that the Celtics pay him an extra $125 per game to play his beloved accordion at half-time at the old Boston Garden.
Lavelli played two years of pro ball, but ultimately returned to his first love, going on to a long career as a performer and songwriter.


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Fans of Tobias Funke's 100% Natural Good Time Family Band Solution, rejoice: rumor has it that the long-awaited Arrested Development movie will be out by the end of 2011. I just blue myself.
Fans of the show may be a little gun shy about celebrating just yet; after all, we've endured dozens of false alarms, David Cross saying the movie would never happen, Michael Cera's overexposure reaching critical mass, and the end of the Bush Administration without the film coyly hinted in the show's final episode. Many die hard fans started giving up hope, but not me. Like the girl who has watched every episode three thousand times would give up hope. COME ON.
We finally have something sort of concrete sounding that isn't just getting drunk and saying "Her?" over and over and laughing hysterically while other partygoers find excuses to leave the room. Show creator Mitch Hurwitz told Digital Spy that a movie was in the works and would hopefully be out by the end of 2011. Did you hear that, guys? HOPEFULLY.
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MLB rumors: A.J. Burnett to pitch in 2014, per reports
The free agent pitching market added another member. A.J. Burnett plans to return in 2014, a source told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
The 15-year-veteran led the National League in strikeouts per nine innings (9.848) and ranked fifth in total strikeouts (209) with the Pittsburgh Pirates last season but was possibly mulling retirement. He had a 10-11 record and 3.30 ERA.
MORE: MLB approves protective pitcher cap | PHOTOS: 25 best players in 2014 free agency
Source on A.J. Burnett's decision to return: "I suspect he is going to open himself up to the market."
— Travis Sawchik (@Sawchik_Trib) January 28, 2014
The Pirates have expressed interest in resigning Burnett but not at the market rate for a top-of-the-rotation arm
— Travis Sawchik (@Sawchik_Trib) January 28, 2014
Burnett, 37, made $16.5 million last season with $8 million paid by the Yankees, who traded him after the 2011 season. Burnett has also made stops with the Marlins and Blue Jays.


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Dick Eastman disturbed a hornet's nest with a blog posting "There is no such thing as a half-cousin"
One of my pet peeves is a term that I see online over and over: someone claiming to be a "half first cousin" or a "half second cousin once removed" or something similar. Sorry folks, but there is no such thing as a "half first cousin."He is careful to restrict his argument to US usage only, citing Black's Law Dictionary which defines first cousins as: "The children of one's aunt or uncle."
Dick goes on to point out that "it says "aunt OR uncle," not both. All that is required is to share one aunt or one uncle, not both."
With this definition you could be first cousin to someone with whom you have no bloodline relationship. Your mother's sister marries a man who becomes your uncle. She dies and he remarries and has children. They are your first cousins!
Dick's article has drawn more than 50 comments.
One references an article by Elizabeth Shown Mills which analyzes kinship and includes a glossary of terms where one finds: "Half Relationships: Those that stem from a half-sibling kinship. For every lateral or collateral relationship a "half" equivalent exists. For example:
Half-aunt/uncle: The half-sibling of one's parent.
Half-first cousin: The child of a half-aunt or half-uncle."
Another references the Oxford English Dictionary: "Half-cousin is defined as "The child of one's father's or mother's cousin; a second cousin. Sometimes applied to the child of one's own cousin, or to the cousin of one's father or mother."
This definition implies a half-cousin is the same as a second-cousin.
Respected genetic genealogist Ann Turner comments that "The distinction between full and half cousin is certainly meaningful in the genetic context. Now that autosomal DNA testing is available, it's useful to know that full first cousins share 12.5% of their DNA, while half first cousins share 6.25%."
Obviously there's confusion. Best to check on the convention being used if unsure.
Like many commenters I'll continue to use half-first cousin for a relative who shares one grandparent.


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"With A Civil War Christmas, I was struck once again by the strength of Paula's voice," says Huntington Artistic Director Peter DuBois. "Her writing is consistently innovative and intellectually rich. With this play, she's given a great gift to us all: a new American Christmas celebration."
A Civil War Christmas: An American Musical Celebration takes place on Christmas Eve 1864. In the White House, President and Mrs. Lincoln plot their gift giving. On the Potomac, a young rebel soldier challenges a Union blacksmith's mercy. In the streets, a fugitive from slavery searches for her daughter on the night she finds freedom. Playwright Vogel weaves these stories and more into an American tapestry, showing us that the gladness of your heart is the greatest gift of all.
"This story of a nation in transformation, emerging from slavery is half imagined and half true and told partly in honor of all of the stories that are erased from history by the hand of the historians, all of the stories hidden from us by prejudice," explains Vogel.
"The image of the Christmas tree is central to Paula's play," remarks Thebus. "The tree that our characters chase around the freezing streets is a small, domestic celebration of the possibility of grace interrupting even the most terrible moment. In each home, despite the devastation of the Civil War, a humble, homemade pageant is made manifest. The tree urges us to be brave enough to celebrate, for how can we not?"
Thebus continues, "The story of A Civil War Christmas, told directly to the audience by a community of actors, is told through fantastic music and song — originally written by forgotten hands and sung by so many voices before us. Paula's story is about transformation, and throughout the play, the cast transforms themselves into men, women, horses, mules, merchants, soldiers, figures in a dream and more. Paula's play shows with virtuosity how many twists and turns are possible with very little. You never know what magic will happen when endless transformation is possible."
The ensemble cast, including a youth chorus of six, will bring Waters' musical arrangements to life at each performance. In addition, the production will be enhanced by local choirs caroling before each performance. "We aim to wrap our arms around Greater Boston with this special production that celebrates the American spirit and our many diverse communities," says Huntington Managing Director Michael Maso. "In addition to welcoming a number of Boston's finest actors into the Huntington family, we look forward to having 34 choral groups from throughout our region take to our stage throughout the run." Participating choirs range from the Revels Touring Ensemble to the Spirit Gospel Singers to the Boston Children's Chorus.
Playwright Paula Vogel received the 1998 Pulitzer Prize for Drama, and the Lucille Lortel, Drama Desk, Outer Critics Circle, OBIE, and New York Drama Critics Awards for Best Play for How I Learned to Drive. Her other plays include The Long Christmas Ride Home, The Mineola Twins, The Baltimore Waltz (OBIE Award), Hot 'n' Throbbing, Desdemona, And Baby Makes Seven, and The Oldest Profession. She is the recipient of numerous awards and fellowships including the Rhode Island Pell Award in the Arts, the PEN/Laura Fells Foundation Award, and an AT&T New Plays Award. She currently serves as the Eugene O'Neill Professor and Chair of the Playwriting Department at the Yale School of Drama.
Vogel says, "I am thrilled to join the Huntington Theatre Company and Peter DuBois this season with my newest work. I am particularly proud and happy to work with Peter, an artist I have long admired. It is wonderful to produce this work in Boston, a place that was so actively involved in the Union effort during the Civil War, and wonderful, too, to produce the work in a theatre that has enriched the city and American theatre for decades. I am excited about working on the piece where friends and younger members of my family reside, for this work was written especially for the children in my family."
Director Jessica Thebus is an associate artist with Steppenwolf Theatre Company where she directed Intimate Apparel, Dead Man's Cell Phone, When the Messenger is Hot (also 59E59 Theatres, NYC), and Sonia Flew. Other directing credits include The Clean House (Goodman Theatre), Jekyll and Hyde, Inherit the Wind, and Red Herring (Northlight Theatre), and Turn of the Screw (Writers' Theatre.) Ms. Thebus holds a doctorate in performance studies from Northwestern University where she is currently on faculty in the directing program and has designed courses and taught at The University of Chicago, DePaul University, Columbia College, and Roosevelt University.
Music supervisor, arranger, and orchestrator Daryl Waters received Tony and Grammy Award nominations for his original music in Bring in 'da Noise, Bring in 'da Funk. For Broadway, he also composed the music for Regina Taylor's Drowning Crow, orchestrated the new musical Memphis, and wrote dance arrangements for The Color Purple and Jelly's Last Jam. He worked with many entertainment legends including Cab Calloway, Nell Carter, Sammy Davis Jr., Luther Henderson, and Eartha Kitt, for whom he served as music director for 22 years.
The Huntington's season of American stories is the first in the company's 27-year history comprised entirely of shows by American writers. The plays of the season relate to one another through stories of opportunities lost and found, of intergenerational struggles and successes, and of the most intimate and meaningful relationships. Drawn from some of the best writing the country has to offer, the Huntington will engage its audience in a season-long conversation about issues of race, class, values, and a shared American experience. "This season at the Huntington, we are taking on a range of compelling American writing," says Mr. DuBois. "Each production offers us a singular point of view about the American experience, and I'm very excited by the diverse perspectives these artists bring."
The cast is led by acclaimed local actors Ken Cheeseman (President Abraham Lincoln), Karen MacDonald (Mary Todd Lincoln), and Jacqui Parker (Elizabeth Keckley). Cheeseman's Off Broadway credits include A Midsummer Night's Dream and Measure for Measure (The Public Theater/NYSF), King Lear (La MaMa E.T.C.), Amphitryon and Scapin (Classic Stage Company), and numerous appearances with Actors' Shakespeare Project. Elliot Norton Award winner MacDonald is a founding member of the American Repertory Theater where she appeared in over 70 productions, most recently The Seagull, Endgame, and Trojan Barbie. Elliot Norton Award winner Parker previously appeared in Breath, Boom at the Huntington, where she is also a Playwriting Fellow, and appeared in Macbeth with Actors' Shakespeare Project and as the title role in Caroline, or Change with SpeakEasy Stage Company (IRNE Award for Best Actress).
Cheeseman, MacDonald, and Parker and each of the other members of the ensemble cast will play multiple roles in this production. The cast also includes:
Uzo Aduba (Coram Boy on Broadway; The Seven Off Broadway) as Hannah and others;
Chris Bannow (Speech and Debate at Wellfleet Harbor Actors Theatre; The Tempest on the National Players tour) as Chester Manton Saunders and others;
Jason Bowen (The Duchess of Malfi, The Merchant of Venice, The Tempest and more for Actors' Shakespeare Project; A House with No Walls at New Repertory Theatre) as Jim Wormley and others
Gilbert Glenn Brown (Forgive Me at Midtown International Theatre Festival; Topdog/Underdog at Seattle Repertory Theatre/Circle Theatre Group) as Bronson Decatur and others;
Ed Hoopman (Mr. Roberts at New Repertory Theatre; The Importance of Being Earnest at The Lyric Stage Company of Boston) as John Wilkes Booth and others;
Savannah Koplow (a member of the Boston Children's chorus and a former member of NEC's The Singing Circle) as Jessa (alternating);
DeLance Minefee (Dust Off Broadway; Donnie Darko at the American Repertory Theater) as Ely Parker and others;
Stephen Russell (The Last Hurrah at the Huntington; The Life of Galileo at Underground Railway Theatre; A Pinter Duet at New Repertory Theatre) as Henry Wadsworth Longfellow and others;
Molly Schreiber (Two Men of Florence at the Huntington; A Christmas Carol at Trinity Repertory Company) as Raz and others; and
Hyacinth Tauriac (Fences at the Huntington) as Jessa (alternating).
The cast also includes local university students Aaron Parker Fouhey, Alicia Hunt, Sarajane Mullins, Blake Pfeil, and Rebbekah Vega Romero. The following children will appear at alternating performances: Jonah Yannis, Kalaria Okali, Oliver Jay, Lily Steven, Grace Brakeman, Cameron Kelly, Gabriele Lyman-von Steig, Lauren Sabbag, Abby Spare, and Amari Veale.
Production Artists
The creative team for A Civil War Christmas: An American Musical Celebration includes music director/pianist Andrew Resnick (A Civil War Christmas at Long Wharf Theatre; One Night Stand: An Improvised Musical at New York Musical Theatre Festival, Edinburgh Festival Fringe, and Hudson Theatre; Twilight in Manchego at NYMTF); scenic designer Dan Ostling (Tony Award nomination for Metamorphoses and Lookingglass Alice for Broadway; La Sonnambula at The Metropolitan Opera); costume designer Miranda Hoffman (Well and Mauritius for the Huntington; Well on Broadway; Stunning at Lincoln Center Theater); lighting designer T.J. Gerckens (Journey to the West for the Huntington; Metamorphoses on and Off Broadway; La Sonnambula at The Metropolitan Opera); and sound designer Ben Emerson (A Long and Winding Road, Fences, and The Miracle at Naples for the Huntington). Production Stage Manager is Gail P. Luna. Stage Manager is Leslie Sears.
Compiled from the press release courtesy of the Huntington Theatre Company (website | profile | tag archive).
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MODS: 10 mm shaft halfadravya (00 gauge) / 75 mm subincision / 20 mm superincision
5/8/2016 | 0 comments
A shaft piercing wants to close. It sheds dry tubes of skin periodically. You'll know when the piercing binds tight. Use a toothpick or a ring shank nail to loosen. Then pull off with fingers or tweezers.
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Yes my cock is still crucified like Tori Amos and the memories remain. The 16d common nail is exactly a 6 gauge. I must say the negating effect is profound. I've never been more interested in the female sex. But even pierced women on dating sites can't seem to dig what I done.
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Basically it began with a smaller size needle for sewing. As others more medically inclined can tell you, the meat just behind the head in that groove is tough. So I'd leave the needle in a few days, let scar tissue form, then repeat when I felt the urge. All sessions were cold turkey and did hurt. After awhile I got some syringe needles fr
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I think it's kicking in but I still get erections from the increased histamine. I calculated the combined diameter of the stretch is 4.8 mm. I lost my 8 gauge taper so I improvised. I prefer the sensation of a parallel stretch. But I need to increase the sizes very soon. I'm bored. I'm stretching my cock now.
I had to take a break streching to pressure wash my orifice, massage my organ rapidly, and ejaculate to ensure circulation. Then I replaced the two barbells. I taped two tooth picks linear to brace the piercings. They've migrated nicely into position. The upper and lower tears are healing well. Next time I won't force the taper in with a vise. It's not a rally car race.
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Dear BME Community,
I have struggled with mental health challenges stemming from an unhealthy home as long as I recall. The one thing prevalent all along was a desire to have someone to listen. I never had that growing up. Today I still have no friends or family to listen. They've written me off as crazy like was done to Shannon Larratt. And I cannot blame any longer Modern Primitives for affecting me. That would be like blaming the author. And I see posthumously that he had to confront a similar challenge.
I stumbled upon the Wikipedia article, Asexuality, and realized I'm basically asexual, semisexual, or Gray Ace. That didn't surprise me. It was an enlightening article. Then I saw a blurb that made me question: Researchers Richards and Barker report that asexuals do not have disproportionate rates of alexithymia, depression, or personality disorders.[17] Some people, however, may identify as asexual even if their non-sexual state is explained by one or more of the aforementioned disorders.[33]
Alexithymia? I looked it up. It means the inability to identify and express verbally emotion. Long story short, theory says when someone experiences emotional trauma so great that it threatens the identity, the mind pulverizes all emotional processes. War veterans also have this frequently as do autism spectrum disorders, eating disorders, substance use and trauma.
Alexithymics can't describe what they're feeling. So much emotion gets locked away inside. That's not healthy. Unable to use words to cognitively cope, they can develop bizarre sexual behaviours to release. Now I see given my health conditions that's what happened in my case.
So it's not book's fault, or BME, for why I'm this way. I happen to have mild autistic spectrum disorder, and health conditions, and environmental, that predisposed my brain to develop alexithymia. That's why I literally can't describe what I'm feeling. Even my thoughts are lost recently.
That's not good news. Well, it is what it is. Now I know, when I go to a bar, WHY I physically can't talk to anyone. I can't process what I'm feeling. So I come off as distant and aloof even though I'm really sensitive. How am I ever going to make an emotional connection if I cannot process emotion?
That explains my relationships. I feel so lost. I'm gonna stretch my cock. The pain mixed with pleasure helps clear my head. That's the problem. I'm too Zen.
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text: NEW BETTER INSTRUCTIONS AND HOW TO! Ok so In my Last Post I Did a little how to root but didn't really say how to do the root and left some things out. Works Wit All Qualcomm-based Galaxy S4 running Android 4.2.2 Including: AT&T SGH-i337, T-Mobile, Sprint SPH-L720, T-Mobile SGH-M919, GT-i9505, US Cellular, Canadian SGH-i337M, Rogers, Bell, Telus, and other Qualcomm S4s. Samsung Galaxy S4 Drivers: http://bit.ly/15kS5Cu Samsung Galaxy S4 Root Files: http://bit.ly/129kK7W Instructions: Extract the entire contents of the 2 zip files. If you are using Windows, ensure you have installed the latest Samsung USB drivers available for your phone. Ensure USB Debugging mode is enabled on your device. To do this go into settings and to the "More" tab then down to "About Device" go to where it says "Built Number" and tap on that a few times until it says "Developer options Enabled". Now go back and go into Developers Options and Enable "USB Debugging" Connect your device to your PC via USB. Make sure you have Download and Installed the Drivers for your Phone First. If you are using Windows, navigate to the extracted directory and execute "run.bat". If you are using Linux or OS X, navigate to the extracted directory in a terminal and execute "./run.sh". Now watch you phone as 2 Pop ups will happen agree and press yes to both. And There you go, you should now be rooted! You can also Follow along here on this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23qSKcWNL5w I put my own phone on the line and try this for the first time my self. - CONFIRMED WORKING! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe ► http://bit.ly/YoutubeMrLegend103 Facebook ► http://bit.ly/MrLegendFacebook Twitter ► http://bit.ly/W71rZQ Google + ► http://bit.ly/V57ajp


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2013 is the year of the bang. Fringe hairstyles are showing up on everyone from Zooey Deschanel to Katy Perry to Jessica Biel. Below, four local ladies show off their fringes.
33-year-old Erin Jackson told me that her greatest beauty secret is Jolen's mustache and beard dye, She has been using it to create highlights in her hair since she was a teenager. You can purchase a Jolen bleach kit at Walgreens for $5.99.
Jackson is a freelance food writer for San Diego Magazine, Dining out SD, and Serious Eats. She is a no fuss kind of girl. Jackson is most comfortable in jeans, a tee, and her chucks.
"I dress the same now as I did back in high school," she tells me.
29-year-old Cassandra Anderson has a Jessica Biel inspired fringe. I ran into Anderson at Lestat's in University Heights. Anderson works in OB tending bar at Tiny's Tavern. Anderson has the perfect shaped face for the fringe.
I sat next to Brianne Grajkowski at Busalacchi's A Modo Mio during Dishcrawl Hillcrest. The 28-year old told me if she could raid anyone's closet it would be Zooey Deschanel's. That came as no surprise, she already has the blonde version of Deschanel's haircut.
Grajkowski is a graphic/web designer, marketing & social media specialist and lifestyle blogger. Her earrings are H&M and her sweater is from Forever 21.
33-year-old Gianina Contin is a stylist at Normal Height's based salon, Diesel. If you're looking for a fringe she's the girl to go to.
Gianina lists Flashbacks in Hillcrest, Dream Girls in O.B, and Lola Luna in P.B among her favorite local stores.
Last but not least, here is a campy video on the fringe:
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2) Do not drink coffee TWICE a day.
3) Do not take pills with COOL water.
4) Do not have HUGE meals after 5pm.
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The UN Security Council unanimously passed a landmark resolution on Friday ordering the destruction of Syria's chemical weapons and condemning a murderous poison gas attack in Damascus.
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who called the resolution "the first hopeful news on Syria in a long time," said he hopes to convene a peace conference in the middle of November.
The major powers overcame a prolonged deadlock to approve the first council resolution on the conflict, which is now 30 months old with more than 100,000 dead.
Resolution 2118, the result of bruising negotiations between the US and Russia, gives international binding force to a plan drawn up by the two to eliminate Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's chemical arms.
The plan calls for Syria's estimated 1,000 tonnes of chemical weapons to be put under international control by the middle of next year. Experts say the timetable is very tight.
International experts are expected to start work in Syria next week. Britain and China announced that they will offer finance to the disarmament operation.
Divisions over the war remained clear in comments by their foreign ministers after the vote.
"Should the regime fail to act, there will be consequences," US Secretary of State John Kerry warned the 15-member council after the vote sealing a US-Russian agreement.
However, Kerry hailed the resolution.
"The Security Council has shown that when we put aside politics for the common good, we are still capable of doing big things," he said.
There are no immediate sanctions over a chemical weapons attack, an event that UN experts confirmed, yet it allows for a new vote on possible measures if the Russia-US plan is breached.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stressed that there were no automatic punitive measures, and that the resolution applied equally to the Syrian opposition.
He said the council would take "actions which are commensurate with the violations, which will have to proven 100 percent."
Russia, al-Assad's main ally, has rejected any suggestion of sanctions or military force against al-Assad. It has already used its veto power as a permanent Security Council member to block three Western-drafted resolutions on Syria.
The resolution "condemns in the strongest terms any use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic, in particular the attack on Aug. 21, 2013, in violation of international law."
The US says the attack on the Damascus suburb of Ghouta left more than 1,400 dead. It blamed al-Assad's government for the sarin gas assault and threatened a military strike over the attack.
The government has denied responsibility.
Should Syria not comply with the resolution, the Security Council members agreed to "impose measures under Chapter VII of the UN Charter."
The charter can authorize the use of sanctions or military force. However, diplomats said Russia would fiercely oppose any force against its ally. All sides agreed that new action will require a new vote.
Russia also rebuffed calls by European powers Britain and France for the Ghouta attack to be referred to the International Criminal Court.
The resolution expressed "strong conviction" that those responsible for chemical weapons attacks in Syria "should be held accountable."
It formally endorsed a decision taken hours earlier in The Hague by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons to accept the Russia-US disarmament plan.


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Talking alone with a girl is difficult, but when you increase that audience, it becomes extremely difficult. Keep reading if you want to learn how to approach a girl who is in a group more safely and to find interesting conversation topics.
Part 01
Approach a girl in a group
Evaluate group dynamics. It is not always appropriate to approach all groups. One of the girls in the group has just finished a relationship and the rest is supporting her? Are they talking about work or does one of them have a sick relative? Listen to their conversation without being obvious.
- If you are talking about a serious issue, it is best not to talk to her. If you are talking about something light or funny, it is probably safe to proceed.
Be part of the group. The first step to talking with any group is to integrate without being too obvious. Wait at the right moment or until you hear something interesting, so they do not feel that you are getting into the conversation. Act as part of the group without invading their space.
- It's okay to say something if you do it kindly. Ask questions related to the topic. Say "I'm lost, what are we talking about? Give me all the details."
- Do not stop by a group of strangers to listen to their conversation. You'll look like a weird guy and the girl will not want to know anything about you.
Join the conversation. Listen to their conversation and make contributions to what they are saying. Use in your favor the topics that the group is talking about.
- If necessary, introduce yourself.
- Talk to the whole group of girls. Do not try to concentrate immediately on the specific girl. Depending on the girl, she might worry about offending her friends or feeling bad about not receiving the same amount of attention.
Start a parallel conversation with the girl. After starting a conversation related to what the group is talking about, make a slow transition to just talking to the girl you are interested in. Turn to her and make eye contact. What you say should be directed towards her, not towards the group.
- Start making small comments that the rest of the group cannot hear. Keeping her interested in what you have to say will distract her from the rest of the group and eventually make her focus more on you.
Keep talking. As time goes by, the group may leave them alone to talk, which will make it much easier to have a conversation in private. Ask lots of questions and keep eye contact so that you feel that you are talking specifically with her.
- If they do not leave, be sure to include other people in the group in your conversation so they do not feel ignored. However, be sure to keep the conversation fun to have a chance to talk to the girl while keeping the conversation entertained. Most girls find it great that the boys are friendly with their friends.
If it does not work, do not insist. Sometimes, the best technique is to talk for a while and then move on. Keep making eye contact with the girl you want to talk to. This can be an excellent way to see if you are interested in continuing to talk with you. Is he separated from the group and will he look for you? Excellent signal
- If they do not meet again, wait until the end of the night. When your group is leaving, separate it and tell it you had a great time. Tell her you'd love to see her again for a coffee or a drink.
Part 02
Know what to say
Ask more questions than comments. What interests this group? What do you like? As they are? If this group was a dessert, what dessert would it be? Find fun and light conversation topics about the interests of the group and the girl. Here are some examples of questions you can ask if you do not know the group well:
- How did you meet?
- How often do they look?
- What drinks did they ask? Which is the best?
Listen to them and let the conversation flow with your answers. The conversations consist of finding doors and opening them. Listen to what they have to say and respond to the topic in a positive and friendly way with a contribution of their own. If the group is talking about a movie, ask what they think about it. If someone says "Bored" say "Oh yes, what movies do you like?". Keep the conversation flowing and positive to show that you are an interesting person with whom this girl should want to talk.
- The ability to take advantage of a response from the interlocutor to make the dialogue flow is one of the most important parts of a conversation. No one can talk to a stranger without listening to what he has to say and responding to it.
Keep diverting the group's attention to the girl you want to converse with. If someone in the group is giving their opinion on a specific topic, turn to the girl you are interested in and ask "What do you think?" This is an excellent way to help break the ice while you include it. It is also a good way to let others know that you are interested in talking specifically with this girl.
Search something in common. If you know you are in a specific club, you like a particular band or you are especially interested in something, concentrate your conversation on asking about that topic. Ask her how long she has been interested in that hobby, why she likes it and let the conversation lead her to discover more about her and what they have in common.
Tell him more about you The conversations are reciprocal. If you just talk about it, you may feel that you are being invasive. So after asking a question about her, think of something that has to do with her answer and say it.
- Additionally, do not talk only about yourself. Self-centeredness is not very attractive.
Be positive. When you talk to a group, try to keep things light and positive. Encourage others to give their opinion and laugh at their jokes. Do not interrupt others or show too much in disagreement with a group initially, at least until you are familiar with their dynamics.
- Many "seduction specialists" recommend subtle insults to generate attraction in a girl. This has different results, but it is always a bad idea to try it with a group of girls.
- The little jokes work well. But it's different to say something flirtatious and slightly mocking like "I cannot believe you did not like Iron Man. Do not you have a soul? Prove to me that you have a soul" and tell a girl that her opinion on birth control is "childish" .
Be yourself. Do not try to show yourself as someone you are not to get their attention or pretend to be interested in things that do not matter to you. If it turns out that they do not have much in common, it is not the end of the world. Go in search of other groups and other conversations.
Forget the conquering phrases. First introduce yourself and shake your hand, then greet others. Ask if you can sit with them. He talks to everyone equally and shows a genuine interest in the things they say. That's the way you should start a conversation with a group, not saying "Are those space pants?".
- Do not try to show off with the group. It is more likely that the jokes and tricks cause you to end up with a drink on the face than with an invitation to drink coffee.
- Be confident! Try not to worry too much about how you look. Just worry about having a good conversation and everything will be fine.
- Memorize the names of all the people in the group.
- The best thing is always to ask if you can tell him something. This usually implies that you want to talk to her alone. You may tell your friends that you will catch up with them later or ask them to wait for you for a moment.
- Get close to her, but try not to get too close. Respect your personal space and be friendly! Most girls, even if they are not interested in you, will be willing to listen to you at least during a brief conversation.
- Do not interrupt the group. If the group is acting in a relaxed manner, talking at times and remaining silent for a while, approach quietly during a silence in the conversation. Say hello to the girl you want to talk to. It will surely try to decipher your intention, so think of something more to say besides "hello". Ask her a question, compliment her, invite her to do something non-formal with you.
- If you do not have anything to say but you want to get their attention, walk close to her and smile while nodding slightly. If you realize that she is looking at you after having passed, wait a moment and it happens again but this time talk to her. You are likely to be willing to ignore your group to give you their full attention.


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Hello - Welcome to Marda Loop Veterinary Centre, the clinic of choice for dogs and cats! Our team of qualified vets and staff help your pets enjoy good health, long lives, and loving care through conventional, complementary, and rehabilitative veterinary medicine.
Our many services include yearly check-ups, dentals, X-rays, surgeries, chiropractic and rehabilitation treatments, acupuncture, water treadmill, diagnostic ultrasound, and much more.
We're just a pleasant walk away for patients and clients from the Calgary communities of Marda Loop, Altadore, and Garrison Woods. Our door is also open to dogs and cats from elsewhere in Calgary as well as out-of-towners.
Marda Loop Veterinary Centre is the only veterinary clinic in Calgary having veterinarians with advanced training in Canine Sports Medicine & Rehabilitation and advanced training in Canine Neurology working as part of our team. Dr. Laura Romano and Dr. Jose Diaz are recognized as specialists by their respective colleges and bring this advanced knowledge to our rehabilitation team! Dr. Romano and Dr. Diaz work closely with other veterinary clinics and are happy to provide your regular veterinarian with continued updates and progress on your animal's treatments.
At Marda Loop Veterinary Centre, our doctors are trained in both conventional and rehabilitation medicine and therapies. Join the growing number of pet owners who consider our clinic as the destination of choice for routine pet care, complementary therapies, and rehabilitation programs.
We offer a full range of veterinary services to care for your cat or dog:
We are located in the Marda Loop/Altadore area of Calgary, close to the community of Garrison Woods.
Our phone number is 403-243-8873.
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BALTIMORE- UMBC freshman attackman Nate Lewnes (Arnold, Md./St. Mary's) tallied a team season-best six points and sophomore netminder Wes DiRito (Odenton, Md./DeMatha) collected 15 saves in his first home start as the host Retrievers defeated High Point, 16-11, at UMBC Stadium.
UMBC improved to 2-4 on the season, including 2-0 at home, while High Point, in its first year of NCAA Division I varsity competition, fell to 2-6.
UMBC's special teams were outstanding as the Retrievers scored on all four of its extra-man chances, while denying High Point on all six of the Panthers' opportunities.
Lewnes scored two goals and added four assists to pace the attack for UMBC. Senior attackman Scott Jones (Port Coquitlam, B.C./Terry Fox) scored three goals for the Retrievers and added a pair of assists. Four Retrievers- freshman Pat Young (Ewing, N.J./Christchurch (Va.), junior Zach Linkous (Jarrettsville, Md./St. Paul's), senior Matt Gregoire (Crofton, Md./South River) and junior David Campbell (Severna Park, Md./Severna Park)- each scored two goals for UMBC.
High Point freshman attackmen Dan Lomas and Adam Seal each scored three goals.
The Retrievers had not scored the game's first goal in 2013, but burst from the gates and took a 4-0 advantage by the 9:03 mark of the first quarter. Campbell opened the scoring on an unassisted goal 4:14 into the proceedings ,getting to the inside and beating HPU netminder Austin Geisler. Lewnes made it 2-0, converting a Zach Linkous feed at the 5:39 mark and Retriever junior face-off specialist Phil Poe (Harwood, Md./DeMatha) won the ensuing draw and scored six seconds later to push the margin to 3-0. Young capped the run before Panther sophomore attackman Matt Thistle closed the scoring for the quarter with 1:35 remaining.
Thistle's goal started a 5-2 response by High Point as the visitors cut the Retriever advantage to 6-5 on Lomas' 20th goal of the season
at the 8:43 mark of the second stanza. But UMBC answered with a 3-0 surge in a span of 2:04 on goals by Campbell, Linkous and Gregoire to take a 9-5 advantage. Lomas scored the final goal of the half with 1:51 to play in the quarter and UMBC took a9-6 advantage to the locker room .
The Panthers closed to within a pair of goals twice in the third quarter, outscoring the Retrievers, 3-2, in the stanza.
UMBC led, 11-9, after 45 minutes, but scored twice in the first 3:24 of the fourth quarter and added two more in a 34-second span in the
middle of the stanza to take control. Senior attackman Joe Lustgarten (Wading River, N.Y./Shoreham-Wading River) caught the High Point defense off-guard and came from behind the net to score a man-up goal 73 seconds into the quarter to give the Retrievers a 12-9 advantage and Jones finished a Young feed to push the advantage to 13-9. Gregoire, Linkous and Young recorded the final three scores for the Retrievers as the team tallied a season-high in goals.
DiRito made 10 of his 15 saves in the second and fourth quarters. Geisler stopped 10 UMBC shots as the visitors outshot the hosts,
Jones scored three or more goals in a game for the 15th time in his career.
UMBC continues its three-game homestand when the squad welcomes Towson to UMBC Stadium on Tuesday evening. The opening face-off is set for 7:30 p.m.