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Treatment of bumblebee stings and allergies
This information on bumblebee stings provides guidance for reducing the chance of being stung by a bumblebee and about the possible reaction to a sting and treatment. Download the poster version of Bumblebee stings and allergies through the link below.
Bumblebee, honeybee, and wasp stings
Bumblebees are found in the natural environment in many countries. In addition, bumblebees and honeybees are used as pollinators in agricultural and horticultural crops. There are various subspecies with differing appearances including different colours and patterns. In general, bumblebees are larger than honeybees, and hairier than wasps.
Only bumblebee workers and queens have a stinger, as is the case with honeybees and wasps. Drones cannot sting. The stinger is a weapon for defence. When a bee stings, some venom is injected into the body through the stinger. In humans, this generates a short severe pain that then fades away. Occasionally (in approximately 1% of cases), an allergic reaction against the injected venom develops.
The response to a bumblebee sting can differ per incident.
The stinger of a bumblebee or a wasp has no barbs. This means that the worker or queen can withdraw her stinger, and is able to sting again. A honeybee's stinger does have barbs. When a honeybee tries to withdraw its stinger, it tears loose from the abdomen, taking the venom gland with it.
How to prevent bumblebee stings?
Bumblebees rarely sting. The chance of being stung by a bumblebee can be reduced by avoiding provoking them or making them aggressive. First of all, it is important to be calm when working with bumblebees. Do not wave your arms at the bumblebees, bump the hive, touch or hold the bumblebees, etc.
Also, be aware that bumblebees can react aggressively to smells such as alcohol, perspiration, perfumes, scented soaps, aftershave, and so on. Moreover, rings, bracelets and watches may cause aggressive behaviour (due to the scent of oxidised material between the skin and the jewellery). Bumblebees are attracted to the colour blue, including blue and particularly light blue clothing. Wearing protective clothing can reduce the risk of stings. Bumblebees can sting through clothing.
Stung? Reactions and treatments
Usually a bumblebee sting leads to a non-allergic, local reaction: swelling, itchiness and redness at the site of the sting, lasting for only a couple of hours. This can occur directly after the sting, but more generally it starts after some hours. The swelling or itching may last for hours or even days. In some cases, the local reaction may spread somewhat; in this case it usually takes longer for the symptoms to disappear. This still counts as a local, non-allergic reaction.
Treatment of a non-allergic, local reaction
Usually medical treatment is not necessary. Some measures can be taken to minimize the local reaction, in particular if the person was stung in a sensitive location, such as near the eyes. As soon as possible after being stung, the person should take an anti-inflammatory (such as aspirin or ibuprofen). Cold compresses should also be applied to the site. In addition, a number of anti-itch ointments are available (e.g. containing diethyl-m-toluamide).
In the rare case of a sting in the mouth or pharynx, the patient should be taken to hospital immediately, because this can result in blocked airways. At the hospital, the patient will be given corticosteroids (such as prednisone) and will be kept for observation.
Allergic reaction
In about 1% of the population, repeated stings (or in some cases only two or three stings) may lead to an allergic reaction, also called a general allergic reaction, a systemic allergic reaction, or an anaphylactic reaction. Because an allergic reaction involves antibodies formed during a previous exposure to an antigen, it is not possible to have an allergic reaction after the first sting. Allergic reactions usually become evident very soon after the sting (from a few seconds to half an hour after the sting).
Allergic reactions are classified in four levels, in order of increasing severity:
Level 1 - itching, redness and swelling (urticaria, hives) over the whole body
Level 2 - level 1 symptoms plus intestinal problems (vomiting, diarrhoea)
Level 3 - level 1 and/or 2 symptoms plus difficulties in breathing and/or a feeling of suffocating
Level 4 - level 1 and/or 2 and/or 3 symptoms plus heart palpitations, fainting, anaphylactic shock (accompanied by dizziness, excessive sweating, and cold shivers)
Treating an allergic reaction
In the event of a fever occurring or a grade 1 reaction, contact a GP. The decision can be made to keep an eye on the situation and see how things go. A period of observation in hospital is desirable, as the reaction may increase progressively over time.
In the event of vomiting, and definitely in the case of grade 3 or 4 symptoms, the victim should be taken to hospital immediately.
If an allergic reaction occurs, administration of a prescription-strength antihistamine (such as clemastine) is useful. The antihistamine reduces the swelling caused by the histamine in the venom. Sometimes corticosteroids (such as DAF/Dexamethasone) are prescribed. In the case of level 3 or 4 reactions, it is necessary to administer adrenaline first. Adrenaline stimulates the heart, constricts the blood vessels, and opens the airways. Adrenaline can be self-administered by means of an adrenaline auto-injector (such as an EpiPen or Jext). Adrenaline auto-injectors are only available by prescription, for instance if the patient has already had an allergic reaction to a bumblebee sting. Depending on local legislation, an adrenaline auto-injector may also be available at companies which work with bumblebees.
Toxic reactions
Toxic reactions only occur when the victim is stung dozens of times in a brief period. General allergic reactions can occur in the nervous or circulatory system, such as cardiac arrhythmia or difficulties with breathing. In this case as well, the victim should be taken to hospital for treatment and observation.
In addition to a severe, level 4 allergic reaction, hyperventilation, perhaps as a result of shock, may also cause loss of consciousness. In such cases it is also necessary to call the emergency medical services immediately.
Increased risk
People who use certain medicines (beta-blockers) and pregnant women are at increased risk when allergic reactions occur after a bumblebee sting.
Living with a bumblebee allergy
If you have had an allergic reaction once, you will not necessarily have an allergic reaction to the next sting. If you had a level 1 or 2 reaction in particular, the chance is small. Reactions to bumblebee stings may differ in each case. These days it is possible to take a test using purified bumblebee venom to determine whether you will have an allergic reaction the next time you are stung. It is also possible to use the purified venom for a hyposensitization treatment.
Immunotherapy with honeybee venom does not necessarily protect patients with bumblebee allergy. This treatment is intended to desensitize the body to bumblebee venom. If you do not wish to undergo hyposensitization treatment, you can obtain a prescription for an adrenaline auto-injector (such as an EpiPen or Jext) from your doctor. This can be carried with you and is used to inject epinephrine into the thigh in the case of a sting.
Tests and treatments are available at the Allergology department of the RdGG (Dr de Groot) at the Diakonessehuis location in Voorburg.
Information for doctors
Detailed information regarding medical treatment of allergic reactions is available from Koppert on request.
For further information, contact an allergologist or a doctor of internal medicine.
De Groot, H. Allergie voor insecten, Huisarts en Wetenschap 2002; 45 (7): 362-7.
De Groot, H. Allergy to bumble bees. Curr Opin Allergy Clin Immunol 2006; 6: 294-7.
A printed poster showing the images is available from Koppert. This poster is also available as a download (URL).
Tip: Add the contact information for seeking medical assistance and emergency medical treatment on the poster.
This information is intended as an education resource only and should not be used for diagnosing or treating a health problem as it is not a substitute for medical care. If you have or suspect you may have a health problem, please consult medical care.


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Brooke Carlson, vice president and general manager, Rusk, discusses the challenges in marketing to men and the factors that go into men purchasing decisions.
What are the challenges of reaching and branding to men?
Men tend to purchase for their immediate needs only. It is a challenge to market a product to a man using long-term effects.
What are the challenges of making men's product distinct from women's and, at the same time, getting men to take notice?
There is often a challenge marketing to men because, while men are the ones consuming the product, women are still largely in charge of purchasing. It is not just marketing to a male consumer, but rather to a female at the same time.
Are there ingredients that "define" a men's hair care product?
Men are not so much interested in specific ingredients as they are in performance, scent and consistency.
Do men tend to look for more than just cleansing? Do they look for conditioning claims?
Men primarily look for a cleansing product, but view conditioning claims as an added bonus.
What other specific claims do men look for? "Vitamin and mineral fortified," according to Croda Inc., was one of the top claims for hair conditioners in 2007. What are some of the top claims specifically for men's hair care?
Men are more interested in claims that pertain to appearance. They are less concerned with the health of their hair, and more interested in how their hair will look (thick, full, dandruff free).
It has been reported that maintaining the health and condition of the scalp is of equal importance as maintaining the health and condition of hair, and there has been a corresponding growth of nourishing ingredients that provide benefits for the hair and scalp. In the men's market, where a lack of hair is often a concern, how important are the skin/scalp benefits claims in hair care products?
Men are very interested in scalp benefit claims as they pertain to preventing dandruff. Dry scalp is very noticeable, especially in instances of hair loss.
How have ingredients intended to slow down the development of premature hair loss and alleviate scalp conditions evolved, and how have you shared that story with consumers?
Ingredients intended to slow down the development of premature hair loss and alleviate scalp conditions are more recently being marketed as preventative, whereas traditionally they were just marketed as a solution to an existing problem.
What are there traditional fragrance components used in men's hair care products? What hair care fragrances are currently favored by men, and what do you see as the next fragrance trend for men's hair care? Are men willing to switch hair care products (even within a brand line) because of fragrance updates?
Men are most interested in the absence of floral scents. They are indeed willing to switch hair care products due to fragrance updates.


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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — A legal journey that could mean life or death for the suspect in the Florida airport mass shooting has begun with appointment of a public defender to represent the Iraq war veteran blamed for killing five people and wounding six more.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Alicia Valle told Esteban Santiago, 26, at a hearing Monday that the three federal charges lodged against him could mean the death penalty if he is convicted.
"We are telling you the maximum penalty allowed by law so that you understand the seriousness of the charges," the judge said.
Shackled in a red jumpsuit in the heavily guarded federal courtroom, Santiago answered mostly yes or no to questions, and told the judge he understands the charges, which include committing violence against people at an international airport resulting in death, and two firearms
He said he had been in the Army, where he made about $15,000 a year. He mentioned expenses including $560 in monthly rent, plus phone and other utility bills. He said he owns no property and doesn't have a vehicle. He said he had worked for a security company, Signal 88, in Anchorage, Alaska, until November, making $2,100 a month, but currently only had $5 to $10 in the bank.
Given his finances, the judge decided he's eligible for government lawyers at taxpayer expense.
Valle ordered Santiago held without bail and also set a detention hearing for Jan. 17, followed by an arraignment for entering a plea for Jan. 23.
More than a dozen officers kept watch outside the courthouse, carrying rifles and wearing bulletproof vests. There were also mounted police and K-9 units.
The charges don't specifically use the word murder, but the effects of one of the gun charges and the airport charge are the same because they cover actions that result in a person's death and can result in capital punishment, said former federal prosecutor David S. Weinstein.
"Under federal law, there are many statutes that cover the killing of another human being and unlike state statutes, they are not specifically titled murder. But the elements of the crime and the definition of murder are the same," he said.
State authorities could file first-degree murder charges against Santiago, but that's unnecessary for now, Weinstein added, because there is no statute of limitations on murder. If something were to go wrong in federal court, the state could then proceed against him, he said.
No links to international terrorism have been found, the FBI has said. But if they surface, federal prosecutors could obtain an updated grand jury indictment to add terror-related charges, Weinstein added.
"Their focus right now will be on the existing three charges and the continuing investigation," he said.
Santiago has been in custody since Friday's shooting at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport. The FBI said Santiago flew on a one-way ticket aboard a Delta flight from Anchorage to Fort Lauderdale. The 11
He checked a single piece of luggage: a gun box for his Walther 9 mm semi-automatic pistol and two magazines of ammunition, according to an FBI affidavit. Agents say he retrieved the box in baggage claim and loaded his weapon in a bathroom stall before opening fire on fellow passengers.
In November, Santiago walked into an FBI field office in Alaska with a handgun and his infant child, saying the U.S. government was controlling his mind and forcing him to watch Islamic State group videos, authorities said.
Officers seized the weapon and local officers took him to get a mental health evaluation. His girlfriend picked up the child. On Dec. 8, the gun was returned to Santiago. Authorities wouldn't say if it was the same gun used in the airport attack.
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Hey all,
Got a few questions about mindfulness in daily activities.
- Do u do "it" (active/semi-active mindfulness)
- How do you it
- What are your experiences
- What are your opinions
I'll give my recent experiences. I have been reading a few Cheri Huber books ( an accessible laid back soto zen priest, but still straight to the heart). One of her approaches is counting breaths from 1 to 10 and back again. I tried this, can't get much past 4 or so. Now I don't see this as a problem because with my Shikatanza practice I let go of any expectation of what I should be "achieving" (being able to count breaths to 10 and back again), let go what the "feeling" of what this practice should be and just try to come back again and again to the practice.
The experience is similar to one (amongst the many) vipassana techniques. I learnt this one off a burmese monk where one keeps attention to the breath (try to keep focus on the rise and fall of the belly). The technique was - Whenever the mind gets distracted or a feeling is attached to, a sankhara (don't know the zen equivalent) is grasped or where the mind moves to a sensation (mental also) then to be aware and observe what is going on. So here I am counting my breaths whilst I am working and my mind moves to something (sensation, memory, work task worrying) and with benefit of my shikantanza practice I try to remain aware of the event (or observe without clinging onto or moving onto discursive thinking or if already in discursive thinking then letting go of that discursive thinking) and go back to counting the breath. At the same time I notice that now my breath is responding by consciously trying to be calmer and smoother though I am not actually trying to do this. This does give me some base level of mindfulness and I know with shikatanza practice to try to remain in this moment and accept whatever is going on internally (letting the forces arise and subside without clinging onto them or being averse to them).- which is in manner that is both very quietly and very subtlely liberating.
However I can only do this consistenly when I am sitting down at work and not at other tasks such as walking, talking, doing physical work, exercising, hanging out with friends and especially when I am at home with so many distractions (where I seem to get into a craving mode, trying to do the next thing that will bring me more and more comfort and never being fulfilled on a permanent equanomous level).
After doing zazen - shikatanza with open eyes (ie. sitting with eyes 2/3rds to 3/4ths closed), there is a quality of "knowing the experience" that you bring to daily life. I think this is because you know that whatever you experienced whilst sitting applies throuhgout life no matter what, the same properties are there all the time. However, I know next to nothing about soto zen's approach to mindfullness in daily life (except from Cheri Huber's point of view). Did Dogen have something to say about this. Does soto zen have an approach - either from the ancient past or an approach developed in more modern times.
Anyway, if anyone has anything to add, please do.


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Forget wondering who's the fairest; when it comes to choosing home improvements that make your home look good – from the curb and to potential buyers – it may make more sense to ask "Who's the greenest of them all." Sustainable home improvements not only help reduce utility costs and boost owner satisfaction with their homes, they also make a house more appealing to potential buyers.
In fact, buyers are willing to shell out up to 10 percent more for new homes certified green, according to a January real estate report by Harvard University. Return on investment for certain types of green improvements – such as replacing older, less efficient doors and windows – also tends to be high, meaning sellers recoup much of the initial cost of the improvement when they sell the home.
If you're looking for eco-friendly home improvements, these five are among the greenest you can make:
1. Switch to a solar water heater – Switching to solar power for heating water can be a huge energy and money-saver. Solar hot water systems rely on free energy from the sun to heat a home's hot water. A typical system can use 50 to 80 percent less energy than traditional heating systems, according to Velux America, marketers of solar-powered hot water systems. That reduction can help a typical household trim its annual energy costs by 10 to 15 percent.
"While the initial cost of installing a solar-powered system is often higher than installing a traditional water heater, most homeowners find the energy savings allows them to recoup that cost in just a few years," says Jim Cika of solar system manufacturer Heliodyne. "What's more, homeowners may qualify for a federal tax credit of up to 30 percent of the cost to buy and install a residential solar water heating system." Visit www.solar.veluxusa.com to learn more about solar water heating.
2. Eliminate incandescents – You'll have to do it soon anyway, so it may pay to start the process now and phase incandescent light bulbs from your home. Federal law banning incandescent light bulbs means that by the end of 2014, you probably won't be able to find one of the old-fashioned power-guzzlers on store shelves anymore. Instead, more energy-efficient bulbs such as LEDs and compact fluorescent bulbs (CFLs) will dominate the marketplace.
3. Add or upgrade a skylight – Installing a skylight, or replacing an older model skylight with a new Energy Star-qualified one, can help reduce utility costs. The natural light from a skylight can help reduce the need for artificial light sources, thereby paring down electricity costs. When you pair no leak solar-powered fresh air skylights equipped with automatic rain sensors and efficiency-enhancing, energy saving accessories like designer solar powered blinds, you gain a new source of fresh air while improving energy efficiency by up to 37 percent, according to skylight manufacturer Velux.
And, in addition to long-term savings, the cost of solar powered skylights and blinds, as well as installation costs, are eligible for a 30 percent federal tax credit as a green home improvement. For a tax calculator that will show you the tax benefits of new or replacement skylights for your home visit www.veluxusa.com.
And, if you would like to see exactly how skylights would look in your home, there's an app there that allows you to take pictures inside your home and superimpose skylights and blinds on the image of your ceiling.
Sunlight entering the home through a skylight can help reduce winter heating bills. EnergyStar.gov says installing an EnergyStar-qualified skylight, windows and doors can trim a home energy bill by 7 to 15 percent over non-qualified products. Visit www.EnergyStar.gov to learn more.
4. Replace an old HVAC system – In the typical American home, up to half of total energy consumption goes to heat and cool the house, EnergyStar says. Replacing old, inefficient heating, ventilation and cooling systems with newer, more efficient models can dramatically reduce a home's heating and cooling costs.
5. Upgrade old windows and doors – A home can lose a tremendous amount of air – hot in the winter, cool in the summer – through poorly sealed doors and windows. Older units, obviously, tend to be less energy efficient than newer ones. Upgrading from drafty windows and doors to more air-tight models can result in significant savings on your heating and cooling costs.
What's more, replacing windows and doors are among the home improvements that deliver significant ROI at the time of resale. Replacing old windows with new vinyl ones can recoup more than 71 percent of the cost when you sell; 73 percent for wooden replacement windows, according to Remodeling Magazine's Cost vs. Value Report. And installing a new front door earns you back nearly 66 percent for a fiberglass door and a whopping 85.6 percent for a steel door.


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SEEDLINGS show with Carla Arena 2008-12-11
Join Alice,Bob and Cheryl as we interview Carla Arena, webhead, loverof Web 2.0 tools, wonderful educator and creator of EVOonline courses.
Sorry this is so late, but we have been without power since Fridaynight. We are still struggling 4 days later and no sign of power insight.
Here is the Chat:
13:50:47 alex.ragone Wow -- Look at this chat room.
13:50:52 alex.ragone I wonder why you are all here?
13:51:24 arvind hi all, welcome to 21st Century Learning
13:51:51 arvind good to see so many people here!
13:52:15 alfredtwo will there be audio or video?
13:52:34 alex.ragone audio -- in a few moments. Just finishing things up.
13:52:37 alex.ragone Set up that is
13:53:32 arvind we're going to be broadcasting at 2:00pm EST, so on the hour
13:53:35 arvind Fred, here live!
13:53:45 fredbartels laurie too :-)
13:53:53 alex.ragone Fred and Laurie -- Yeah!
13:53:57 arvind we're broadcasting now, so if people could test the stream that'd be great!
13:55:49 arvind let us know if you can hear audio, folks
13:55:59 fredbartels coming thru here
13:56:48 Susan Morgan Hi guys, I hear you
13:57:21 arvind thanks Susan
13:57:27 wstites iChat... no SKYPE
13:58:17 VinnieVrotny Hey folks. Here via text only, as we aregetting ready for a meeting with our head about our 2009-10 budget.
13:58:48 VinnieVrotny Looks like a great crew here, am sorry I will be missing the live conversation
13:59:34 Bill Campbell You can add one more. Two people listening here. :)
14:01:10 dburns Hello all - working fine here - Doug Burns (Saint Andrew's-Sewanee School)
14:02:06 VinnieVrotny Wow, looks like a great group of folks here. Yes us!
14:02:18 VinnieVrotny Welcome Peter
14:02:46 peterbaron Hi!
14:02:47 VinnieVrotny Welcome Doug. Glad you are here
14:03:21 arvind Vinnie, glad you're here in the chat, at least :)
14:03:33 dburns Thanks - glad to be here, first time doing anything like this
14:03:48 VinnieVrotny Yes, I am glad to be here as well. Looking forward to hearing the audio later.
14:04:12 alex.ragone Yeah -- Vinnie.
14:04:35 VinnieVrotny Hey, Alex. It is a great day to be a co-host at 21st Century Learning
14:04:55 arvind dburns, welcome, glad you're here
14:05:16 capohanka We used to play Soccer against Stuart Hall!
14:05:49 alex.ragone Nice -- we picked a good one
14:06:01 alex.ragone :) :)
14:06:06 arvind amazing!
14:06:25 capohanka dburns...welcome...how did you find it?
14:06:25 arvind any other folks here using Disrupting Class to push thinking at their schools?
14:06:49 capohanka I have it waiting, wrapped, to be opened on Dec 25th
14:07:04 arvind capohanka, ha ha! Merry Christmas!
14:07:12 VinnieVrotny We are actually using Wagner's Global Achievement Gap and getting more traction
14:07:13 Steve Taffee Our administrative team is reading it. One of the best books I have read in the pas decade.
14:07:24 sarah h just had to email my director since I just got it for him.
14:07:30 VinnieVrotny @capohanka a gift for yourself?
14:07:31 sarah h Hope he'll join in this chat!
14:07:47 dburns Not yet - I'll recommend it for faculty reading soon
14:08:08 capohanka yes. I got it when borders had the 25% teacherday and my sons are making me wait until christmas to open it. should've read it at borders before I left. :)
14:08:16 Jill Brown It's on my iPod to listen to over break.
14:08:22 David Our Admin team is reading it at my behest. And I am reading Wagner's book
14:08:29 VinnieVrotny @caphanka well, wonder if that gift is going to be returned?
14:08:34 capohanka i didn't think to get it for my iPod. Good idea?
14:08:39 Susan Morgan Finished it a few weeks ago, surprised that Siemens was so negative
14:08:57 jramsden My H.O.S. will be reading it over break. We'll bring discussions to our admin team retreat in January.
14:09:03 athrockmorton iI have used Wagner's book as a launching pad for several school discussions
14:09:46 alex.ragone http://flickr.com/photos/alexragone/2986762550/
14:09:53 athrockmorton i am such a slow reader. is disrupting class really good?
14:09:55 alex.ragone The books I gave to my admins and dept.
14:10:13 capohanka alex...love that photo...good memories of 31 days too
14:10:42 Susan Morgan Hi Albert...it's been a long time.
14:10:59 athrockmorton morgan? is that new?
14:11:13 Susan Morgan Oh yeah....Grace, Carter, Morgan, take your pick:)
14:11:25 capohanka We call her lovingly Susan Grace Carter Morgan at our school.
14:11:29 athrockmorton good to "see" you!
14:11:33 Steve Taffee We use Pat's 5 aspects of sustainability all the time here to talk about our future goals.
14:11:48 arvind Holton Arms podcasts with the Smithsonian: http://nmaa-ryder.si.edu/interact/podcasts/holton/index.cfm
14:11:54 sarah h yes, Albert it is that good! It's really a pretty fast read too.
14:12:13 arvind Online science fair, fantastic!
14:12:20 jramsden Here is a great contest that Oracle runs - http://www.thinkquest.org/en/
14:12:43 Susan Morgan I agree...important, which is why I wonder whyGeorge Siemens was critical. Thinks it lacks innovative thinking aboutlearning...
14:12:44 alex.ragone We participate in thinkquest.
14:13:34 athrockmorton we dod a bi lingual CSI, science, mocktrial cross discipline event
14:14:08 arvind 8 year olds invent wedgie-proof underwear:http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=19&nu...
14:14:59 Susan Morgan I am eager to see how our school does with its 20/20 challenge
14:15:59 Jill Brown We had Jenifer Fox author of "Your Child'sStrengths" speak at our school (Albuquerque Academy). She is a greatspeaker!
14:16:16 arvind NAIS Annual Conference: The Winds of Change: http://www.nais.org/go/annualconference
14:16:41 Susan Morgan Pat lends credibility to this idea since he hasbeen leading this for some time--online with his writing and links backin Central States days. He is not new to these ideas
14:16:48 David How do we lead change when the leadership is often on the wrong side of the paradigm shift?
14:16:50 alex.ragone How do we manage change to overcome change?
14:17:14 alex.ragone NAIS is working on a change leadership book.
14:17:26 Susan Morgan Leadership often focuses on the day to day fires instead of the big picture
14:17:28 sarah h those in leadership are those for whom the current system worked well.
14:17:43 VinnieVrotny Got to go. See you all
14:17:49 alex.ragone Anticipating reactions and prempting them.
14:17:50 David Sarah - absolutely correct
14:17:52 arvind managing change is all about anticipating reactions and ameliorating them
14:17:59 sarah h @susan--it goes back to Stephen Covey, doesn't it?
14:18:03 arvind bye Vinnie!
14:18:04 arvind good luck
14:18:26 sarah h permission to fail. Wow. That is a big one.
14:18:31 Susan Morgan Permission to fail...may help to alleviate fear
14:18:34 David Can we wait for that percolation?
14:18:35 alex.ragone Start small. Band of brothers.
14:18:38 alex.ragone Change leadership.
14:18:49 Susan Morgan @sarah h yes...hadn't thought about that
14:19:03 athrockmorton how many tech directors move on to headship?
14:19:16 David few
14:19:23 alex.ragone @athrockmorton -- We just had one move to assistant head in a NYC school.
14:19:35 Bill Campbell Until recently, how many tech dirs had a seat on the upper-admin team?
14:19:39 alex.ragone The dominant culture is agains that shift right now
14:19:39 arvind Chris Lehman did it, from tech to principal
14:19:43 capohanka susan...maybe we could "adopt an administrator" atour school and try to get them using the 21st cent tools for their ownbetterment.
14:19:46 alex.ragone Chris Lehmann was a Tech Coordinator.
14:19:50 capohanka maybe they will be more open to it
14:19:51 jramsden But I predict that will change. Much like in industry, we are seeing CIO - CEO...Why not D.O.T. to H.O.S.?
14:20:00 alex.ragone arvind and I are thinking alike as usual
14:20:06 Susan Morgan @carey...yes, that's true, might work
14:20:13 athrockmorton we had a real fight in the tech PGPs toinclude the one about insisting that tech be represented on the cabinet
14:20:34 athrockmorton "disruptive administration"?
14:20:36 Susan Morgan Chris Lehmann was also an English teacher at Beacon, wasn't he?
14:20:40 arvind hi Dave, welcome
14:20:41 fredbartels robert kegen (harvard) has written a lot aboutchange and change leadership - also hosts a conference on this (fromlaurie, not fred)
14:20:52 sarah h tech is represented in our operations team, not strategic until just the last couple of weeks.
14:21:07 Susan Morgan @albert We still "discuss" this here :)
14:21:16 dburns We've had tech director on admin team for many years - essential
14:21:27 jramsden @athrockmorton: I'm presenting @ NAIS on just thattopic with Curt Lieneck and Keith Gillete. It's crucial - we believe.
14:21:39 arvind NAIS's online program:
14:21:47 alex.ragone Lawyers.
14:21:48 arvind http://digital.virtualmarketingpartners.com/vmp/nais/annual-conference-2...
14:21:59 alex.ragone Big speakers cost big bucks.
14:22:14 sarah h Hi Jason, Sarah Hanawald here. I didn't know you knew Curt. Good topic for NAIS.
14:22:39 jramsden @albert; @susan @sarah h...title "Geek to Great: Improving IT Leadership in Independent Schools"
14:22:40 Steve Taffee Administrators can't be passive with regard to trying and championing new technologies.
14:22:56 Susan Morgan @jason thanks
14:23:18 sarah h ha! love it!
14:23:21 jramsden @sarah H...met him at NAIS last year and then on ISENET and moved forward the the topic.
14:24:09 Susan Morgan Sound in and out...is it me?
14:24:12 Bill Campbell Audio is going in and out. Is it just me?
14:24:14 sarah h me too
14:24:21 athrockmorton me too
14:24:23 alex.ragone having some issues. Gettign better.
14:24:23 jramsden Audio - same problem here.
14:24:24 alex.ragone Sorry.
14:24:24 Jill Brown Nope, not just you.
14:24:29 dburns @sasweb.org - same here
14:24:29 arvind audio coming back now, sorry
14:24:38 alex.ragone Seems to be better.
14:24:46 athrockmorton disruptive technology!
14:24:54 Susan Morgan :)
14:25:04 VinnieVrotny back for a brief bit so I can capture the chat room and review later
14:25:11 arvind Teachers of the Future - get your head to nominate you to NAIS!
14:25:15 Susan Morgan Great news NAIS
14:25:48 arvind I would love a future, a wikinomics future, asteachers as academic entrepreneurs, to ally themselves with NAIS
14:25:51 arvind from Pat
14:25:53 Steve Taffee NAIS carries a lot of weight with our administrators. This is great news, Pat!
14:26:08 alex.ragone Academics -- getting faculty lectures out there in the iTunes directory.
14:26:30 alex.ragone All the teachers on the webcast 12-20 minute segments. Get them up there.
14:27:04 Susan Morgan Alex, this is what we talked about on Elluminate in fellows discussion!
14:27:09 arvind world's best lesson on the first ammendment - get paid for it!
14:27:12 Susan Morgan Well, not for a cost:(
14:27:20 capohanka teachers really like free stuff
14:27:26 sarah h academic entrepreneurs. Cool
14:27:27 dburns Question for Pat – As we and our kids are more andmore on-line and plugged in, do we need to worry about less and lessface-to-face time with and among them? I'm thinking about one idea inMalcolm Gladwell's Blink – that we learn much from face to faceinteraction that we're not even aware of…
14:27:33 capohanka oh, if I got a cut...i'm okay with that
14:27:40 capohanka i know French!
14:27:44 sarah h Just emailed my head and told him that PB told him to nominate me.
14:27:49 athrockmorton 99 cents---sounds like teacher pay :)
14:28:04 sarah h Neglected to mention the global nature of the directive;)
14:28:15 jramsden @sarah h; I second that nomination!
14:28:24 arvind from Pat: we make sure our board meetings stay strategic
14:28:30 alex.ragone Nice.
14:28:46 alex.ragone Love the conversations in the chat. Thanks all.
14:28:50 arvind sarah, awesome!
14:28:52 Jill Brown Lessons on Teachertube too? - Nice to see the classroom management.
14:29:20 Bill Campbell Haven't read b
14:30:17 arvind "we don't call it strategic planning, we call it strategic thinking" - I LOVE this
14:30:20 Bill Campbell Haven't read Blink, but I used to work for acompany (pre-WWW) that was researching the fact that we get a lot morethrough information communication than form meetings. Is itface-to-face or is it the dynamics of the communication?
14:30:41 Bill Campbell That was informal communication (not information comm).
14:31:04 athrockmorton Blink's thesis about thin-slicing encompasses face-to face but not exclusively
14:31:06 Jill Brown RE: Teachertube --video w/ kids tricky. Hmmm.
14:31:23 alex.ragone Revolution will not happen without professional learning communities.
14:31:32 alex.ragone Have to be beyond the corners of our schools.
14:31:36 arvind pat just said professional learning communities, that's exactly what I'm into these days
14:31:45 alex.ragone We try to get 'out' of our schools, huh arvind?
14:31:53 arvind dburns, I'm sorry we can't get to your question, we're out of time with Pat!
14:32:17 alex.ragone We can learn from Finland. Resources did every week. Lesson Planning.
14:32:20 dburns Gladwell talks about "micro-expressions" that are perceived in physical space only
14:32:26 arvind Finland dedicated to professional development. Howmuch time does your school give you each week to work on your prof dev?
14:32:32 Susan Morgan My professional learning community keeps my head spinning these days
14:32:33 alex.ragone Japan teachers do rounds like medicals schools do.
14:32:37 capohanka liked his blog about finland
14:32:41 dburns no problem - thanks!
14:32:42 capohanka on the nais site
14:32:43 alex.ragone I do my learning from 9-11 at night:)
14:32:48 arvind Susan, me too, head spinning
14:32:54 alex.ragone Videatives.com
14:33:03 alex.ragone Going to have to listen to this again.
14:33:09 David Collaboration seems to be the key here which is often athithetical to the organization of school
14:33:22 sarah h @ alex. Yes. prob more than once
14:33:30 sarah h (me, not you)
14:33:36 arvind Pat's blog:http://www.nais.org/about/index.cfm?ItemNumber=147144&sn.ItemNumber=4181...
14:33:45 Susan Morgan @sarah h thanks for all your great links on ning and diigo:)
14:34:16 sposin What was the URL Pat just mentioned?
14:34:29 sarah h http://www.videatives.com/
14:34:40 sarah h thanks Susan! I love following you!
14:34:46 arvind Pat just mentioned http://videatives.com/
14:34:52 Susan Morgan Thanks to you all...agree Arvind. He's been on a long time and that validates the conversation
14:34:59 sarah h you need the www to make it work for some reason
14:35:01 fredbartels thanks for the interview! enjoyed it :-) (Laurie and fred)
14:35:04 athrockmorton thanks--great tak. my first
14:35:04 Susan Morgan :)
14:35:07 arvind alex.ragone via Skype if you want to join the convo
14:35:24 dburns Thank you all - see ya!
14:35:31 Susan Morgan Thanks again guys....gotta run home :(
14:35:33 Jill Brown This was great. Thanks.
14:35:39 alex.ragone Take care, folks.
14:35:47 sarah h great show!
14:36:19 Bill Campbell @arvind You've had a great series of shows so far this year.
14:36:28 arvind thanks, Bill!
14:36:30 Jill Brown I listen to EdTech Talk all the time!
14:36:44 athrockmorton got it from ised
14:36:56 Jill Brown I got the info from ISED, too.
14:36:58 lauriebartels was most encouraging to hear about some of the initiatives Pat mentioned
14:37:46 jramsden I'm here in the chat room as well.
14:38:05 Bill Campbell It was great to hear Pres of NAIS stating theimporance of things I've been hearing and reading among edTech folkslately.
14:38:15 lauriebartels like the concept of japanese rounds toschools. how do we get our heads to let us do rounds of schools as aregular, ongoing part of our practice?
14:38:19 alfredtwo I find out about these sessions on Twitter. Is there an RSS feed I should follow for early info?
14:38:54 Jill Brown ISTE's NECC is dealing with the same issues RE keynotes and presenters.
14:38:57 arvind Alfredtwo our Google Calendar is here: http://edtechtalk.com/calendar
14:39:06 Bill Campbell I hope he can be a conduit to get that on theradar of heads and other admins. This isn't tech stuff but when itcomes from a "techie" I don't think it is always valued (even if thattechie is on the admin team.)
14:39:45 lauriebartels arvind are you talking about ken robinson's talk?
14:39:50 Bill Campbell I meant it is NOT always valued when it comes through a techie. (y typing is poor today.)
14:39:59 alex.ragone Bill -- NP. Thanks.
14:40:12 sarah h one reason it is hard to "get around" is because weare providing education in 45 minute "doses" everyday rather thanchunking. I'm thinkingback to the discussion on ISENET right now.
14:40:35 sarah h @ bill. I totally agree
14:40:45 arvind the amazing session from last year's POCC that I wanted to share was Tarun Tejpal on courage
14:40:52 athrockmorton we still have the factory model of schools--terrible structure for what we should do now
14:41:50 jramsden @alex @arvind; Have you all gone before the NYSAISheads conference to talk about this (always good to get to Mohonk twicea year:-)? I'm slated to do that hear in NC this January (and Pat willbe in attendance). If it goes well I'll share the results on ISENET.
14:42:27 Bill Campbell The PC vs mainframe analogy was great. (at least for me)
14:42:57 arvind Bill, that's really clear, right?
14:43:04 arvind for us techies, anyways :)
14:43:50 lauriebartels alex, i agree completely with what you are saying.
14:44:02 alex.ragone Thanks, Laurie.
14:44:43 sarah h YES!
14:45:08 Jill Brown We need to help kids learn how they learn andgive them opportunities to be in control of that with guidance fromtheir teachers.
14:45:18 lauriebartels i am convinced that we are not going to changeour "traditional" independent schools from the inside. disrupting classhit home on that one.
14:46:08 sarah h Laurie--you've been doing a lot of interesting thinking on this.
14:46:26 lauriebartels thanks :-)
14:46:54 Bill Campbell @laurie Disrutive change is a hard sell whenwe appear to be doing right by our students from the point of view ofhow many IS are measured on the surface (college placement, etc).
14:46:55 Jill Brown Good points!
14:47:16 Bill Campbell I wonder if we need pressure from higher-ed for us to change or do we have to push higher-ed?
14:47:17 lauriebartels i think independent schools can change but itdepends on the school, its culture, where in the country it is located,etc
14:47:44 lauriebartels Bill, I agree. It's the "if it's not broke, why fix it" syndrome ;-)
14:48:00 athrockmorton higher ed is more entrenched than IS world--they are pre-guttenberg
14:48:38 Bill Campbell @laurie I've read much of DisruptingInnovation yet, but I guess that fits with the example of IBMdeveloping the PC completely outisde of the main business at the time.
14:49:00 Bill Campbell (That's I haven't read much of Disrupting Class. Boy, I really can't type today.)
14:49:16 sarah h @albert yes. I think about higher ed in how many areas is a phD needed except to get a university job?
14:49:27 Jill Brown Jenifer Fox would be good. Author of "Your Child's Strengths"
14:49:29 lauriebartels I am fascinated by the Greenwich Village High School that is starting up next Sept.
14:49:35 specialkrb yoo hoo!
14:49:49 alex.ragone Hi SPECIALKRB!
14:50:00 lauriebartels I'll check with Fred to find out who you are talking about!
14:50:04 arvind hi karen!
14:50:15 jramsden Scott McLeod? From...http://www.dangerouslyirrelevant.org/
14:50:15 arvind you missed the show! but we're in postshow
14:50:17 alex.ragone How to pull admins into the conversation.
14:50:22 lauriebartels Are there any folks at schools in Europe, Finland, Japan who could be interviewed?
14:50:23 specialkrb andrew is listneing too
14:50:38 sarah h Scott would be good--he could talk about higher ed stuff too
14:51:03 athrockmorton I want to hear from an IS graduate who isworking in a "future" industry --someone who understands what the newworkplace is like
14:51:05 Jill Brown Don Knezek
14:51:19 sarah h If you interviewed a few, they might want to listen to each other and then get drawn in
14:51:27 lauriebartels What about someone folks from Google or othersimilar type businesses who are also doing stuff in education?
14:51:28 arvind Scott McLeod on the show a few weeks ago: http://edtechtalk.com/21cl_84
14:51:40 jramsden Opps...missed that one...
14:51:49 Bill Campbell Someone from Lucas Foundation?
14:51:53 sarah h hey, I listened to that show and still seconded Jason. Don't tell
14:52:07 Deirdre Harrison Anyone using grad students onsite, who are getting their teaching degrees online?
14:52:10 Jill Brown some of Obama's new admin staffers RE Technology
14:52:13 arvind ha ha, Sarah. Been there, done thart
14:52:17 lauriebartels this has been delightful! nice to be able to"visit" with you during the day. usually we listen over the weekends.
14:52:18 Bill Campbell Next show at 1:00 PM EST?
14:52:22 arvind Jill, great idea!
14:52:26 arvind Next week we'll be an hour earlier
14:52:34 sarah h I usually listen on the elliptical, much better this way
14:52:35 Deirdre Harrison Tim O'Reilly thinkg tech peeps should be getting into this admin
14:52:39 specialkrb thanks. you guys are awesome.
14:52:52 arvind Tim O'Reilly would be great too. He's no Twitter
14:53:00 arvind He's on Twitter I mean
14:53:04 Deirdre Harrison Tim O'Reilly for a NIAS conference...
14:53:04 Jill Brown ISTE folks met with some of them last week. I'll see if I can get some info to you.
14:53:05 athrockmorton this is a wild experience for anewbie to edtech talk
14:53:09 lauriebartels someone from, i think it's called edtechvisions? is that what you just said? anyway, they run the project basedschools.
14:53:16 Bill Campbell Tell them you had Bassett. That should help.
14:53:22 jramsden Hey...Curt Lienick is at the lab school where the Obama children presently attend.
14:53:27 arvind athrockmorton, join the network! we're fun
14:53:27 sarah h Hi Albert--we met a few times ages ago. (sarah hanawald)
14:53:49 athrockmorton asarah--hey! where are you now?
14:54:08 alex.ragone Peter Gow.
14:54:09 sarah h Still in Greensboro, teaching part time, consulting some, being mom some
14:54:21 sarah h Yes to Peter!
14:54:24 athrockmorton @sarah cool
14:54:33 Deirdre Harrison Tim and Drupal folks
14:54:33 sarah h where are you?
14:54:36 athrockmorton Peter is an info guru
14:54:39 lauriebartels double yes to peter!!!!
14:54:50 arvind thanks for being here everyone!
14:54:54 arvind great time today
14:55:01 sarah h great show, thanks!
14:55:10 jramsden Awesome. Thanks all!
14:55:16 lauriebartels ciao
14:55:26 arvind see y'all another time
14:55:49 alfredtwo I know people at Microsoft who are involved in education :-)
14:56:34 Deirdre Harrison Thanks
14:56:53 dburns Again - thanks to all, great show!
14:57:17 arvind alfredtwo: pass us some info if you can
14:57:20 Jill Brown Didn't find any names, but the title President-Elect Obama's Education Policy Transition Team --
14:57:39 arvind eeducation transition team? ETT? ed tech talk? :)
14:58:21 Jill Brown :) Definately EdTech Talk :)
14:58:56 Jill Brown oops.. Definitely
14:59:12 Jill Brown Thanks! Bye.
19:25:49 alicebarr Welcome!
19:29:14 bobsprankle hi wowater!
19:29:16 alicebarr WElcome Wings on water
19:29:28 wingsonwater03 hi there, am I early?
19:29:37 alicebarr NO right on time!
19:29:42 alicebarr We are just about to start
19:29:48 alicebarr Do you have audio?
19:29:53 wingsonwater03 good stuff
19:30:12 wingsonwater03 u streaming?
19:30:19 cheryloakes~winter is here on edtech talk A
19:30:27 alicebarr Yes we are streaming. Can you hear us?
19:30:40 wingsonwater03 no...not yet....checking...
19:31:32 sheila I hear you!
19:31:40 alicebarr Yea! Thanks Sheila
19:31:54 wingsonwater03 nuts....I think I am doing something wrong then
19:32:16 wingsonwater03 sweet. I'm in
19:32:20 wingsonwater03 loud and clear
19:32:22 sheila Hi all!
19:32:29 cheryloakes~winter is here \wingsonwater03, please look for edtechtalkA
19:32:33 alicebarr Wings on Water Great!
19:32:59 alicebarr Welcome instructor cloud
19:33:00 cheryloakes~winter is here Welcome to Carla Arena, Keywest, FL
19:33:06 instructorcloud Hello
19:33:07 alicebarr Welcome Carla!
19:33:11 instructorcloud KEYWEST? I LOVE KEYWEST!!!!
19:33:20 bobsprankle hi all!
19:33:27 alicebarr She is lucky!
19:33:41 wingsonwater03 bitter....
19:33:48 instructorcloud First time here - this is the room about education and technology right?
19:34:00 sheila Yes @instructorcloud
19:34:01 alicebarr @instructor cloud yes it is
19:34:04 bobsprankle yes:)
19:34:06 alicebarr This is SEEDLings
19:34:11 instructorcloud which one of you lives in KW?
19:34:18 carlaarena me
19:34:19 bobsprankle carla... our guest
19:34:20 alicebarr Carla lives in KW
19:34:22 instructorcloud Lucky
19:34:35 alicebarr Where are you from Instructor?
19:34:36 instructorcloud Do you leave town during Fantasy Fest?
19:34:37 bobsprankle where are you, instructor?
19:34:40 instructorcloud St. Louis, MO
19:34:46 bobsprankle snowy?
19:34:49 instructorcloud Go Rams (oh wait, they suck) nevermind
19:34:52 alicebarr Well welcome for your fist time!
19:34:54 wingsonwater03 heheheh
19:34:58 alicebarr first
19:35:06 instructorcloud It has been snowing but no accumulation
19:35:07 alicebarr And WOWAter where are you from?
19:35:17 wingsonwater03 outside of Baltimore MD
19:35:30 bobsprankle my old birthplace :)
19:35:32 alicebarr Are you getting this yucky weather?
19:35:39 cheryloakes~winter is here Carla and I met during the
19:35:47 alicebarr Really bob? I had no idea!
19:35:48 cheryloakes~winter is here Winter of 2006, WEbheads, becoming a webhead
19:35:51 wingsonwater03 lots of rain. Kids thought we were getting out early for flooding today..
19:35:57 bobsprankle yeah... baltimore
19:36:03 bobsprankle till i was 4
19:36:08 alicebarr Flooding, oh yuck
19:36:54 instructorcloud [b]Wingsonwater: I am thinking of going toDC the weekend after the Inauguration to visit friends. Do you thinkthe crowds will be gone be then?
19:37:46 wingsonwater03 I think so. You shouldn't have a big problem. Lots of stuff to do.
19:37:48 cheryloakes~winter is here EVO http://academics.smcvt.edu/cbauer-ramazani/TESOL/EVOL/portal.htm
19:38:38 instructorcloud So is the live stream video supposed to start soon?
19:38:41 cheryloakes~winter is here This is such a good history of how Carla and I met.
19:38:57 cheryloakes~winter is here there isn't any video streaming tonight, sorry, bandwidth
19:39:03 cheryloakes~winter is here would be a problem.
19:39:31 instructorcloud So are most of you teachers in schools or instructors (i.e. teaching adults)?
19:39:39 alicebarr @instructor cloud, can U hear?
19:39:50 wingsonwater03 3rd grade teacher here
19:39:51 alicebarr Hey Kern!
19:39:52 bobsprankle both, instructor
19:39:56 instructorcloud No, but I have speakers.
19:39:57 sheila 7th grade teacher here
19:39:58 bobsprankle k-4
19:40:20 alicebarr There is a link to hear the audio
19:40:29 alicebarr On the edtechtalk.com page
19:40:30 instructorcloud really? what is/where is the link?
19:40:32 sheila also teach a graduate class for educators who go to Belize.
19:40:35 instructorcloud oh, cool, thanks
19:40:44 alicebarr EDTECH TAlk A
19:40:49 Kern Hey Alice
19:40:54 instructorcloud oh i see.
19:41:09 alicebarr Is it snowy up there Kern?
19:41:18 carlaarena http://tappedin.org
19:41:20 instructorcloud Do most of you teach technology classes or do you all teach different things?
19:41:21 bobsprankle hey kern!
19:41:42 Kern Oh yes, and icey:(
19:41:50 alicebarr @instructor It's usually a mix of both
19:41:53 Kern Hey Bob
19:41:55 alicebarr Hi Peggy G
19:41:56 sheila HI Peggy!
19:42:05 bobsprankle hey peggy
19:42:10 cheryloakes~winter is here Hello this is a webhead discussion with Carla Arena and online meetings.
19:42:11 alicebarr @Kern Icey here too
19:42:26 PeggyG Hi everyon! sorry I'm late
19:43:48 carlaarena brigadeiros
19:44:11 bobsprankle hi paula!
19:44:17 alicebarr Welcome Paula S.
19:44:30 Paula S. Hello!
19:44:32 cheryloakes~winter is here changing windows be right bac k
19:44:44 alicebarr Paula do you have audio?
19:45:14 Paula S. Yes - I can hear now
19:45:25 alicebarr @ Paula Great
19:45:37 cheryloakes~winter is here I am back!
19:45:47 alicebarr @cheryl! Yea!
19:45:58 Kern nice
19:46:09 mrsdurff food?
19:46:12 alicebarr Helo Durff!
19:46:15 mrsdurff I want food
19:46:19 cheryloakes~winter is here yes Durff, with coffee
19:46:21 mrsdurff hi alice
19:46:34 alicebarr Twitter recepies
19:46:35 mrsdurff followed carla's tweet here
19:46:45 alicebarr Hello arvind!
19:46:48 bobsprankle hi arvind
19:46:49 mrsdurff hi arvind
19:46:51 arvind hi all, I'll be in and out, but sounds good!
19:46:57 arvind hi alic, bob and lisa!
19:46:58 bobsprankle hi durff!
19:47:04 mrsdurff hey
19:47:16 arvind love for Twitter? You know I'm there!
19:47:30 alicebarr @arvind :)
19:47:45 wingsonwater03 twitter vs AIM. Which is better for educators?
19:47:48 alicebarr HI Sarah!
19:47:50 bobsprankle sarah!
19:47:58 alicebarr @wings I would say Twitter
19:48:05 sheila TWitter
19:48:05 mrsdurff i use both wings
19:48:06 arvind wingsonwater no doubt Twitter, because it's so easy to grow your community and read, read, read
19:48:11 cheryloakes~winter is here Hello all, welcome and hope you enjoy this worldly virtual conversation.
19:48:17 arvind AIM is a different tool, for chatting, not microblogging
19:48:25 bobsprankle @wings.. dif. types of reasons to use both... but twitter so great
19:48:30 Sarah S Big bonus for having a snow "night" at UMA - I can listen live!
19:48:32 Kern very different tools
19:48:40 mrsdurff i use twitter with colleagues and meebo with students/parents
19:48:45 Kern hey Sarah
19:48:47 cheryloakes~winter is here Yeah Sarah, what a bonus.
19:49:06 cheryloakes~winter is here oh, good idea Durff,
19:49:12 mrsdurff is it snowing yet?
19:49:19 Sarah S Twitter over AIM for connecting with other educators
19:49:22 alicebarr Mix of snow and ice
19:49:38 mrsdurff bbbrrrrrrrrrrrr
19:49:39 Sarah S Kids - I tend to use iChat.
19:49:51 mrsdurff i use Skype too
19:50:00 mrsdurff a few students have it
19:50:02 alicebarr @Durff Maybe no school tomorrow
19:50:07 mrsdurff which is great
19:50:20 mrsdurff i really could use a day off
19:50:28 alicebarr Me too!
19:50:29 Kern @alice oooo don't jinx it ;)
19:50:30 mrsdurff hi peggy
19:50:40 alicebarr Ooops sorry !
19:51:01 mrsdurff coffee refill
19:51:06 PeggyG Having computer issues :-( changed computers and crossing fingers
19:51:08 alicebarr @ Kern I have my shirt on inside out and backwards
19:51:17 bobsprankle @alice... lol
19:51:50 Kern :D is that a good luck charm?
19:51:54 alicebarr I think EVO was the first place I discovered collaboration
19:52:08 alicebarr @ Kern Bob said so...
19:52:16 sheila Power in networks. Several of you helped out with ourkeychain idea for our NH conference. Including Carla! Thanks to all!
19:52:30 Kern ok, I'm next . . .
19:52:34 cheryloakes~winter is here friendfeed is what Carla uses to manage her networks and Facebook
19:53:06 PeggyG Would love to hear more about your keychain experience, Sheila. Skype me later. :-)
19:53:12 Kern microsoft live is coming out with a 'lifestream' service
19:53:17 sheila Ok Peggy!
19:53:28 wingsonwater03 :)
19:53:37 PeggyG I just ignore the superpokes, etc. :-)
19:53:43 alicebarr @Kern what is lifestream?
19:53:53 Paula S. I'm going to try it -
19:54:25 sheila Ok, now the big question for all - How much time do you spend on the computer?
19:54:43 PeggyG I found it helped me to create a Pageflakes page with RSS feeds from my Nings to keep track of them.
19:54:45 cheryloakes~winter is here 8-10 hours a day I think.
19:54:56 alicebarr @PeggyG Great idea!
19:54:59 Kern all your feeds go to one place, twitter, status, etc
19:55:07 PeggyG 12-16 hours a day for me on my computer
19:55:10 Kern trying to find the link
19:55:10 bobsprankle that's great idea, peggy
19:55:26 Paula S. 8 -10 hrs
19:55:33 alicebarr @Sheila atleast 10 hours
19:55:45 mrsdurff i enjoy bumpin into carla
19:55:58 Sarah S So . . .@PeggyG . . . did you get your secret elf gift yet?
19:56:06 carlaarena yes, durff. I love that too
19:56:13 PeggyG not yet for secret elf...
19:56:30 PeggyG but I was late getting mine out too
19:56:55 Sarah S :? It's a little late but coming!:D
19:56:59 cheryloakes~winter is here not me yet Sarah,
19:57:14 mrsdurff mine arrive - will get it tomorrow at my friends'home-going to her christmas party-hope it's not edible or her kids willeat it before i get there
19:57:25 mrsdurff Brazil?
19:57:37 Sarah S I got mine - lovely chocolates Yum!
19:57:37 cheryloakes~winter is here yes, Caral is headed back to Brazil.
19:57:38 alicebarr Carla is moving back to Brazil
19:57:50 PeggyG Very funny Durff~ good luck with that!
19:57:51 sheila I got my elf gift on Tuesday!
19:58:08 mrsdurff thanks Peggy
19:58:20 sheila Tea and tea infuser.
19:58:33 Kern http://windowslive.com/Home
19:58:37 PeggyG nice Sheila! :-)
19:58:41 alicebarr @Kern Thanks
19:58:43 Sarah S Thanks @kern for the link
19:58:48 mrsdurff you belong in our classrooms via skype video chat
19:58:50 Kern sure thing
19:58:57 PeggyG such a great point Cheryl--so many of us seem to teach ourselves
19:59:04 alicebarr @Durff You're right
19:59:06 mrsdurff with your classes in Brazil!
19:59:24 cheryloakes~winter is here yes Peggy, and many of us who have been learners are now in the teaching mode
19:59:34 Sarah S Not only self-taught, but instantly turning around to share with / teach others.
19:59:38 cheryloakes~winter is here blogging4educators.pbwiki.com
19:59:51 PeggyG I love the quote "to teach is to learn twice"--think it's so true!
19:59:54 mrsdurff blogging for beginners - i think i need that
20:00:14 cheryloakes~winter is here images4education.pbwiki.com is upcoming in January 2009
20:00:51 Sarah S What's the focus with images?
20:00:57 instructorcloud Anyone want to link up on LinkedIN? I'm at http://www.linkedin.com/in/crufkahr
20:01:16 instructorcloud Peggy - totally agree
20:01:28 cheryloakes~winter is here Sarah, it is about using imagesin the classroom, starting with Flickr and our week is about animoto,and more
20:02:04 cheryloakes~winter is here using web 2.0 tools and open source
20:02:11 cheryloakes~winter is here digital story telling
20:02:19 wingsonwater03 animoto is amazing
20:02:24 cheryloakes~winter is here webtools4educators.pbwiki.com
20:02:38 cheryloakes~winter is here yes, animoto is a great quick way to share images
20:02:59 PeggyG love to connect with you on linkedin-I'm http://www.linkedin.com/in/pjgeorge
20:03:08 cheryloakes~winter is here Hey Sharon, welcome so glad you are here tonight
20:03:17 alicebarr Hello Sharon!
20:03:27 sharonbetts Hi folks - I'm playing this by (or without ears) - just in chat room tonight
20:03:30 Kern Hi Sharon
20:03:39 bobsprankle hi sharon!
20:03:44 PeggyG Hi Sharon-always great to see you!
20:03:55 cheryloakes~winter is here Carla Arena, webhead, is with us and giving us a great history of online courses.
20:03:57 sheila Thanks for sharing the links to the wikis
20:03:59 mrsdurff Get out the Braille reader..................
20:04:01 Sarah S Hi Sharon!
20:04:23 sharonbetts I know Carla from webheads - looking for great notes from you guys
20:04:36 cheryloakes~winter is here sure thing Sharon
20:04:47 instructorcloud Any advice - I'm looking to change fromteaching adults to teaching at the High School level. I only have aBusiness Degree - do not have an Education Degree. Also, for somereason, I would really prefer to teach in the inner city - our schooldistrict is struggling as many inner city districts are. Am I crazy?
20:04:58 instructorcloud (I teach software classes)
20:05:13 bobsprankle if you want inner city, you'll have NO problem, instructor
20:05:27 mrsdurff yes you are crazy, but which one of us is not?
20:05:40 alicebarr @Durff :)
20:05:40 instructorcloud Bob - that's what one would think. I had aninterview cancelled because the ENTIRE district has a hiring freezeright now!!!
20:05:43 mrsdurff have you looked at the Kipp Schools?
20:05:47 instructorcloud So I'll have to wait
20:06:00 mrsdurff no i don't think so
20:06:02 bobsprankle oh man @instructor... crazy times
20:06:15 instructorcloud Mrs Duff. LOL
20:06:17 mrsdurff bob is a crazy driver
20:06:18 PeggyG @instructorcloud-the challenge for teaching in HS is the "highly qualified" requirement from NCLB
20:06:30 instructorcloud what is NCLB?
20:06:35 mrsdurff that is public
20:06:45 mrsdurff there are so many other options
20:07:03 alicebarr @instructor Maybe there's an online opportunity for you?
20:07:04 PeggyG No Child Left Behind
20:07:07 sheila @Carla - Years ago, I heard Brazil was moving to open source for the whole country. Has that happened?
20:07:10 mrsdurff Kipp, charter, parochial, private, etc
20:07:40 carlaarena not really, but there's a movement
20:07:44 mrsdurff there they go again talking food
20:07:49 instructorcloud alice - online? meaning elearning?
20:08:04 alicebarr @instructor yes
20:08:20 instructorcloud sheila - what is Open Source? same as in programming?
20:08:30 sharonbetts tried to get stream - found headphones - didn't run for me what are you using
20:08:37 sheila Yes, open source programs
20:08:45 mrsdurff click on the black icon
20:08:57 alicebarr Sharon I am listening in iTunes
20:08:58 mrsdurff your computer will do the rest
20:08:59 sharonbetts open source is software that is free and available to be edited
20:09:08 instructorcloud I had to click the Windows MEdia icon, the black icon didn't work
20:09:24 cheryloakes~winter is here You have heard of k12onlineconference, well in January the Electronic Village online ishappening.http://academics.smcvt.edu/cbauer-ramazani/TESOL/EVOL/portal.htm
20:09:48 instructorcloud alice - where could I research those type of opportunities?
20:09:52 cheryloakes~winter is here http://academics.smcvt.edu/cbauer-ramazani/TESOL/EVOL/portal.htm
20:09:53 mrsdurff sounds like fun
20:09:57 instructorcloud a dog just barked LOL
20:10:01 instructorcloud did you hear that?
20:10:03 mrsdurff woof
20:10:15 mrsdurff you're hearing things
20:10:18 cheryloakes~winter is here we have dogs and kids and husbands and wives in the background it is all part of the show
20:10:20 bobsprankle @instructor... that's a staple with our shows lol
20:10:22 alicebarr @instructor, maybe Virtual High School would be a place to start?
20:10:37 instructorcloud oh, is cheryl the one doing the show? is this live?
20:10:40 sharonbetts it was my dogs - my mic works, just not my stream - ha
20:10:41 mrsdurff had to walk through that door you left open
20:10:42 instructorcloud LOL
20:10:45 carlaarena http://evosessions.pbwiki.com
20:10:45 alicebarr YEs this is live
20:10:58 mrsdurff there, you heard it again
20:10:59 instructorcloud I have a Jack Russell Terrorist Mix
20:11:04 instructorcloud In Dog We Trust
20:11:06 PeggyG yes Chery is moderating the live session :-)
20:11:06 Kern part of the atmosphere
20:11:10 sharonbetts @alicebarr I saw Virtual HS on the ACTEM agenda
20:11:10 alicebarr terrorist :)
20:11:25 cheryloakes~winter is here I am webcasting and hosting, but Bob and Alice are here to.
20:11:29 alicebarr @sharon are you using it?
20:11:31 mrsdurff the flip keynote
20:11:41 cheryloakes~winter is here thanks for helping PeggyG!
20:11:49 instructorcloud sharon - what kind of dog?
20:12:01 PeggyG Isn't it just incredible to have these international connections and experiences?? I love it!
20:12:07 sharonbetts I have two leonbergers - big barks
20:12:11 cheryloakes~winter is here Yes, durff, we were the flip camera gang.
20:12:19 mrsdurff :)
20:12:28 instructorcloud leonbergers? I've never heard of that breed. I thought I had heard of them all
20:12:30 mrsdurff and well done too
20:12:39 cheryloakes~winter is here Thanks Durff.
20:12:39 sharonbetts @PeggyG - just saw a webcast between a classroom and a lady in antarctica today
20:12:42 PeggyG I use the K12online presentations for years!
20:12:54 PeggyG was that Sheila's webcast?
20:13:01 instructorcloud I want to get assigned for a short term project in antartica. How cool!
20:13:07 PeggyG I didn't see it today
20:13:10 mrsdurff bbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
20:13:28 alicebarr @sharon was it Sheila's group and teacher?
20:13:29 sharonbetts @instructorcloud - see them here http://sharonbetts.org/
20:14:02 sharonbetts @alicebarr - no a group following the vendee globe - we are doing that this year
20:14:58 PeggyG in Phoenix the weather doesn't keep us in :-) 67 degrees today and beautiful!
20:14:59 sheila @sharon - our 8th grade teacher just got back last week from Antarctica. We may do some webcasts later.
20:15:32 bobsprankle did kern lose power?
20:15:33 instructorcloud @sharonbetts - mine are at http://rufkahr.com/about_us.html
20:15:46 alicebarr MAybe or kids to go to bed
20:15:54 instructorcloud Awwww, big furry babies!
20:15:57 sheila FYI - teacher on icebreaker headed to McMurdo is doing a webcast at http://www.ipy.org
20:16:10 alicebarr Get ready for Geek of the Week!
20:16:20 alicebarr Coming up in a minute!
20:16:22 mrsdurff I specialise in lurking
20:16:34 carlaarena they are more than welcome!
20:16:39 PeggyG when is that webcast Sheila?
20:16:47 cheryloakes~winter is here good for collaborating
20:16:49 sharonbetts @sheila thanks for the link
20:16:53 mrsdurff you've heard of educational specialist? i'm a lurking specialist
20:16:54 cheryloakes~winter is here Carla and her Geek of the week
20:17:05 instructorcloud Peggy - I'm headed to Tuscon in January! Can't wait
20:17:06 sheila Webcast - MOnday, 12:30 pm EST - earlier for you Peggy.
20:17:10 alicebarr yammer.com
20:17:11 cheryloakes~winter is here yammer.com
20:17:20 sharonbetts and Carla's Geek is? yammer - oh love it
20:17:31 PeggyG Thanks Sheila. 2 hours earlier now for me.
20:17:34 cheryloakes~winter is here oh boy something new!
20:17:50 sheila I go by Durff time! :)
20:18:11 cheryloakes~winter is here good idea Shelia, Durff time
20:19:28 sharonbetts the one thing i do not miss leaving the classroom is the schedules
20:20:06 instructorcloud huh? Institutional email?
20:20:11 instructorcloud what does she mean?
20:20:23 bobsprankle school email
20:20:30 sharonbetts using my wing tonight - it doens't have itunesyet - could have been the problem - will install when done here
20:20:44 carlaarena doodlebuzz.com
20:20:52 instructorcloud Bob - meaning if I do not have a .edu email I couldn't join various groups?
20:20:57 PeggyG @Sharon-what's a wing?
20:21:09 mrsdurff these names carla!
20:21:18 sharonbetts Meant Wind - netbook from MSI - really like it
20:21:38 PeggyG OH-new for me-PC?
20:21:41 bobsprankle not sure, instructor
20:22:17 sharonbetts @PeggyG - PC, but coming out in Linux next month
20:22:21 alicebarr HI Kimberley
20:22:24 alicebarr Hi Gail
20:22:28 alicebarr WElcome
20:22:29 Kimberley Hi Alice
20:22:32 sharonbetts Hi Gail
20:22:32 wingsonwater03 the doodle thing is crazy weird!
20:22:36 alicebarr We are doing Geek of the Week
20:22:41 Kimberley Doodle???
20:22:45 gail hi all
20:22:53 sheila Lost power to computer only . . .
20:22:57 sharonbetts like the doodle thing - doing a session on crazy named tools this goes in my SimplyBox
20:22:57 alicebarr doodlebuzz.com
20:23:02 PeggyG Hi Gail
20:23:06 alicebarr @SHeila weird
20:23:06 Kimberley what's this doodle thing?
20:23:12 instructorcloud OMG this is like google on crack
20:23:18 instructorcloud doodlebuzz that is
20:23:52 carlaarena http://simplybox.com
20:23:55 sheila Battery died without notice.
20:24:24 alicebarr theweekinrap.com
20:24:56 PeggyG Bob what a great link! I'll bet the kids love it!
20:25:06 carlaarena fantastic, Bob
20:25:13 instructorcloud is there a way to get a list of links fromthe show tonight? I missed a huge chunk of it due to a big argumentbetween the kids and the boyfriend. They don't understand why we won'tpay for them to live in their own apartment. LOL
20:25:16 PeggyG Does it make them want to create their own raps?
20:25:20 wingsonwater03 that is Awesome!!!!!!
20:25:59 sharonbetts oh what fun - gotta show this to music teachers
20:26:03 alicebarr mywebspiration.com
20:26:11 cheryloakes~winter is here instructorcloud, we have the showposted at bobsprankle.com and edtechtalk.com with the links in delicious
20:26:24 PeggyG @intsructorcloud-the chat log will be posted after the show
20:26:35 PeggyG I was using webspiration today! love it!
20:26:47 sharonbetts picked up mywebspiration at Christa McAuliffe - thanks for the reminder
20:27:02 PeggyG free so far :-)
20:27:30 alicebarr freetech4teachers.blogspot.com
20:28:22 mrsdurff WHAT?
20:28:29 cheryloakes~winter is here http://showmappingworlds.com From Kern Kelley!! Thanks Kern.
20:28:31 PeggyG that looks like a fantastic resource Alice! can't wait to explore it!
20:28:36 mrsdurff I ALWAYS have too much to do!!
20:28:40 alicebarr lost audio?
20:29:22 cheryloakes~winter is here alice I tried to bring to you back
20:29:41 sheila Heard the googleearth car was around taking photos this fall. In NH.
20:29:42 PeggyG the mapping link didn't work-can you check it?
20:30:15 sharonbetts blogged this one the other day - it is great http://www.worldmapper.org/
20:30:22 wingsonwater03 http://show.mappingworlds.com/
20:30:40 mrsdurff I want a delay!
20:30:48 wingsonwater03 please lord....!!!!!
20:30:51 mrsdurff the snowday special
20:31:00 PeggyG thanks-that link worked for me :-)
20:31:07 wingsonwater03 delay delay
20:31:12 sharonbetts we are having sleety snow here - foothills of maine
20:31:24 mrsdurff all sounds good here
20:31:32 cheryloakes~winter is here lost alice again.
20:31:39 Kern hey back again :)
20:31:45 Kern I did, sorry
20:31:48 sheila when is the snowday special?
20:31:49 Kern thanks
20:31:54 sheila :)
20:32:03 mrsdurff i started a rumor sheila
20:32:06 cheryloakes~winter is here we will post on twitter if there is a snowday show
20:32:10 instructorcloud any of you on twitter?
20:32:21 sharonbetts sharonbetts on twitter
20:32:22 mrsdurff are you kidding?
20:32:22 cheryloakes~winter is here cheryloakes50=twitter
20:32:24 wingsonwater03 wingsonwater03 twitter
20:32:25 instructorcloud http://twitter.com/freewinetasting
20:32:27 sheila and I"m keeping it going . . .
20:32:32 PeggyG love the idea of a snowday special :-)
20:32:43 bobsprankle thank you!
20:32:45 instructorcloud this is really cool. I found out about it on Twitter
20:32:47 mrsdurff mmmm
20:32:51 sharonbetts gonna work from home if kids out
20:32:53 instructorcloud this show, that is
20:32:59 bobsprankle all
20:32:59 Kimberley Are the geek of he week links found on delicious
20:33:07 mrsdurff SEEDLINGS Snowday Special
20:33:10 Kern Is there going to be a snowday special tomorrow? (is there is a snowday?)
20:33:12 cheryloakes~winter is here yes, all the links will be posted
20:33:19 mrsdurff great alliteration
20:33:29 cheryloakes~winter is here we might be in school, but we shall see???
20:33:31 instructorcloud you say goodbye
20:33:34 instructorcloud and I say hello
20:33:37 instructorcloud hello hello
20:33:38 PeggyG really fun show! always love hearing from Carla-she is so inspirational and positive!
20:33:42 mrsdurff by bye
20:33:46 sharonbetts "
20:33:59 sharonbetts by guys
20:34:08 sheila Thank you Carla! and SEEDlings!
20:34:14 instructorcloud by Key WEst!
20:34:15 Kern hey sharon, did you get the Memo link?
20:34:17 mrsdurff she earned me an 'A' last summer
20:34:36 bobsprankle goodnight all
20:34:37 carlaarena thanks, guys
20:34:41 PeggyG Bye everyone! Great talking with you all!
20:34:48 instructorcloud nice meeting everyone!!!!
20:34:52 mrsdurff night off to work
20:34:54 cheryloakes~winter is here great show, thanks for being with us this evening
20:35:01 Kern nite
20:35:04 wingsonwater03 thanks
20:35:06 cheryloakes~winter is here You will see this posted tomorrow.
20:35:11 instructorcloud time to hit the Hot Tub
20:35:16 sheila night!
20:35:35 PeggyG enjoy your day off tomorrow :-)
21:37:40 Robert Missed the show...
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text: Starz has pulled the plug on Boss, the network announced today. The Kelsey Grammer–led political drama finished its second season a few weeks ago, as the show's tens of fans can tell you. Grammer won a Golden Globe for his performance as Chicago mayor Tom Kane, but despite the best opening credits of 2011, the show just never caught on.


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Citizen Soldiers of the 7Scots Slideshow
More than 80 members of 51st Highland, 7th Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Scotland (7SCOTS), turned out for their annual two week training camp, which this year was held in Warcop, Cumbria.
7SCOTS draws its strength from across the north of Scotland, with recruits from Angus, Dundee, Aberdeen and Kirkcaldy right through to Stornoway, Elgin and Inverness.
Although not as glamorous as some of the previous training destinations – last year 7SCOTS was in Fuerteventura practising light infantry skills – the facilities at Warcop were perfect for allowing the battalion to concentrate on getting back to basics.
Commanding officer of 7SCOTS, Lt. Col. Piers Strudwick, explained: "This year has been very much focusing on basic skills and drills such as battlefield communicating or signalling, looking at our Javelin anti-tank missile system and assault pioneer skills. We've also been refreshing our medical competencies.
"Everyone enjoys the challenge and the different opportunities, the ability to go and meet up with folk with similar outlooks but from different towns.
"They enjoy meeting with other international armies. We've got an American officer with us at the moment which is great.
"Last year we were in Spain and they loved expanding their horizons and experiencing different things."
I was given a guided tour of the 7SCOTS in action, the first port of call being with the boys of B Company who had been working with the FGM-148 Javelin, an anti-tank missile system.
As Javelin systems can cost up to £250,000 and live missiles tens of thousands of pounds apiece, the men, mostly from the Aberdeen area, use a sophisticated computer trainer linked to a Javelin which allows them to simulate any number of combat scenarios.
They kindly ran me through the basics and, after two shots, I was able to destroy an 'enemy' tank, proving that you don't need to be a rocket scientist in the modern army!
In fact, the idea that the British Army Reserve is a professional, modern fighting force made up of ordinary people was reinforced after just a few minutes of conversation with B Company.
It is manned by students, a hotel manager, a groundsman supervisor and a logistics manager for an oil company.
What brings the men together though is the opportunities offered by the Reserves which, apart from the obvious financial benefits, include real transferable skills that can be mapped across to civilian life – from sports qualifications to language courses.
"It's just miles better than any other sort of hobby, it's just so different," said Private Mark O'Rourke (28).
"The training is good and the people are brilliant. I even got my driving licence through the Army."
Warrant Officer Second Class John Sinclair (47), a logistics manager, added: "I would say the camaraderie is part of it.
"Another massive part of it is training alongside like-minded people.
"We are paired with 3SCOTS [The Black Watch] and we all have a part to play within the whole Regiment of Scotland. Long gone are the days of Dad's Army."
Elsewhere, another group were learning all about battlefield communications under the watchful gaze of Captain Ian Bunce.
For him the emphasis was on moulding problem solvers; one of their exercises involved turning a simple farm fence into a communications array.
Capt. Bunce said: "It shows in the fact that these guys can think for themselves.
"They can work without supervision, have more confidence in their decision making and can take ownership of a problem and see it through to a successful conclusion.
"They'll develop a good sense of humour in dealing with the unexpected and undertake complex problem solving in situations that wouldn't lend themselves to being successful."
It costs more than £8000 per year to train each Reservist.
"A lot of individuals are working towards something that is beneficial for them," added Lt. Col. Strudwick.
"They are looking at how they can take opportunities that are available to the British Army Reserve to enhance themselves, so it's very much a two way street."
Johnston and the 7SCOTS were on hand to capture the action and their pictures are featured in our slideshow, created for your viewing pleasure by communities hub deputy editor Julie Currie. Enjoy!


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Wednesday's Web 'Blackout' By Wikipedia, Others: Right Way To Protest?
Now that Wikipedia has said it's going to join other websites Wednesday and go black to protest anti-piracy bills being considered by the House and Senate, the backlash against the Stop Online Piracy Act and the Protect Intellectual Property Act has gotten a much higher profile.
The decision means Wikipedia's English-language site will be dark from midnight ET tonight to midnight ET Wednesday. Others who will be blacked out for all or part of Wednesday include Reddit and Boing Boing. Various websites are encouraging users to "tweet like crazy" with the hashtag #SOPASTRIKE. There's a list of supporting sites here.
Interestingly, Twitter CEO Dick Costolo is not among those who support a strike. He thinks "closing a global business in reaction to single-issue national politics is foolish."
As we've previously reported, critics compare the proposed legislation to the Internet censorship practiced in countries such as China and Iran. "The most controversial provision is in the House bill ... to 'blacklist' sites that are alleged to distribute pirated content," The Associated Press writes. "That would essentially cut off portions of the Internet to all U.S. users." Supporters, as the AP adds, "include the film and music industry, which often sees its products sold illegally. They say the legislation is needed to protect intellectual property and jobs."
Wikipedia's braintrust argues that the legislation "would seriously damage the free and open Internet, including Wikipedia." And, Wikimedia Foundation executive director Sue Gardner says in a statement:
"We don't think SOPA is going away, and PIPA is still quite active. Moreover, SOPA and PIPA are just indicators of a much broader problem. All around the world, we're seeing the development of legislation intended to fight online piracy, and regulate the Internet in other ways, that hurt online freedoms."
Going black, Wikipedia argues, will show what it's like if the U.S. government has the authority "to switch off websites" without due process.
We're wondering what you think: