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UnScripts:Steal Bank Customer Service training video
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In the modern and bustling corporate environment, staff members have very little time to sit through long training sessions and practise role-plays. And, unfortunately, we also have very little time to train a cadre of highly skilled and motivational trainers. So here at steal ™[1] we have instituted the latest in technology in order to train multiple staff. That's right, we have written a script and utilised a video camera encouraging staff to act out roles in the script for the purposes of our training video, which staff can watch in the comfort of their own home.
We're so generous to our staff that we allow them to do training without losing any of their valuable work hours. Here is one of a long line of scripts that we have developed for this purpose, and we will allow you to use it in your own corporate workplace[2]
- Director: Pepé N d'Radio
- Director's aide: Norma Lusage
I can't believe they convinced me to direct this crap. I'll make a few notes on this copy of the script, but whatever you do Norma, don't let this fall into anyone's hands except yours or mine. Oh, and remind me never to work for a bank again. PdR.
Lending Application
SETTING: Bank, in the middle of the day. The sun is shining, the main floor is clean and shiny, and there are no customers waiting in queue. All the bank staff are happy, bright and cheerful, and there is nothing to bring you down.
Norma, in order to do this we can get some of the prettier looking bank staff in to work as actors. We'll do it on a weekend to ensure that there are no real customers, otherwise we'll have a queue out the door, and we'll hire a professional cleaning crew beforehand. Oh, and buy half a dozen packets of caffeine tablets for the crew. And half a dozen for me while you're there.
- Narrator (Voiceover): It's a typical day in a suburban steal ™[1] branch. Candy, our attractive young customer, has recently been married and is wanting to know what she can do to secure herself a strong financial future. Lucky for her, Greg, our friendly bank manager, is more than happy to help.
Okay, Norma, I've gotten some pictures from casting. Well, given that they are using staff to fill these roles these are actually from the personnel files. Apparently there's some kind of privacy legislation that was threatening to stop me having access to the personnel files, but the lawyers here are good at getting around inconvenient laws. Anyway, this girl is perfect for what I'm looking for in regards to our customer, Candy. She's attractive, but not slutty, and looks good in a suit. Of course she's also as dumb as a dead dog, and looks like she's been sucking on grapefruit when the wind changed.
Now this guy looks perfect for the role of Greg. I don't know what it is, but something about him just screams out "Bank Manager." Or Mafia boss. Or maybe both? |
- Candy: No, thank you. I was really after some information today
- Greg: Fantastic, I would love to give you all the information you need, and then about 10 times more. But before I do that, I'd just like to get to know a few things about yourself.
- Narrator: And here we come to lesson 1 in our series of steal ™[1] educational videos. The abundance of information rule. Remember that your customer usually knows nothing about banking, how interest works, what an amortising line of credit is. In fact, your first home buyer has not had the opportunity to learn anything. The more information that you give them, the more confused they will be. When you then say to them "This is the right loan for you" they'll be so grateful that you've saved them from all this confusion that they'll sign anything.
- Greg: I hope you don't mind if I take notes while I'm talking. So firstly Candy, can I have your full name please?
- Candy: Candy, and my married name is Fault.
- Greg: Oh really, how long have you been married?
- Candy: I got married back only three months ago.
- Greg: Congratulations. Where is your husband?
Most believable part of this script so far, Norma. The bank manager doesn't want to talk to the "little woman", he wants someone with balls to talk to. After all, according to most bank managers only men with balls know how to deal with money.
- Candy: He's at work at the moment. He's a mechanic.
- Greg: Oh really, and how long has he been doing that?
- Candy: It's his third year.
- Greg: And are you working at the moment?
- Candy: No. We decided that it was better for me to finish Uni before I tried to find a job.
- Greg: Okay. Do you have anything saved towards buying a home at the moment?
- Narrator: Now it is very important to note exactly what Greg has done here. Firstly, he's put Candy at ease by asking her some very basic "getting to know you" questions. These questions give Greg information upon which he can make some assumptions about Candy's lifestyle, without being too intrusive. This means when he finally does ask about money here, it feels like a natural conversation and Candy will be happy to answer honestly. This is the steal ™[1] lesson 2, Get them to drop their guard rule.
- Candy: Oh, we've been saving for the past three months.
- Greg: Okay! Thanks for all the information there Candy. I think I have enough to go on now. I'm sorry to say that your loan application has been declined.
- Candy: (Surprised) But... what... how?
- Greg: Well you see Candy, here we work on a simple system called the risk points system, and it works on what we call the five C's. Have you ever heard of these before?
- Candy: No.. what are they?
- Greg: These are the factors that we take into consideration whenever we look at any loan application. The first of these is capacity, where we work out whether you are capable of meeting the repayments. Now you've told me that your husband has been working as a mechanic for just three years. That means that he is an apprentice, and as such will be being paid next to nothing. At the same time you're being a lazy cow and sitting around studying while he is working his butt off, so his meagre wage will have to stretch to cover the cost of feeding both of you. And I do mean stretch, having a look at your waistline.
- Candy: But I -
- Greg: Second "C" is capital, where we look at how much you are putting toward the purchase of your home out of your own money. Now we already know that your husband is earning next to nothing and you're sitting there studying and eating chocolate and getting fat, and you probably haven't even finished paying for the wedding that you had a few months ago, so your savings wouldn't even be enough to buy me lunch today.
- Candy: Hang on, we -
- Greg: Third "C" is collateral, where we determine how much of what you are borrowing is secured by the asset you are buying. In this case you have no money to put down yourself, and despite what the real estate agents are telling you, you house is likely to halve its value over the next few years. There's a Global Financial Crisis™[5] on you know.
- Candy: But we- ow, my back is really -
- Greg: Oh do be quiet. Haven't you realised yet that I'm much more important and intelligent then you? While we are on the topic of GFC[5] The fourth "C" is conditions. This relates to the security of your job, which you don't have, security of you husband's job, which being a blue collar worker as soon as he is finished his apprenticeship and needs to be paid full wages his boss will give him a don't come Monday and the two of you will be begging on the streets. It also relates to the security of the <insert local currency unit here> which given the GFC has dropped down to a record low, and the security of your property, which, being a first home buyer, you'll probably end up paying twice as much as it's worth anyway as the real estate agent will see you coming.
- Candy: I can't feel my fingertips-
- Greg: And of course the final "C" is for character. Now you're sitting in front of me, only a short step away from living on the street, your new marriage won't be able to take the strain of your husband losing his job, and you won't be able to afford the chocolate that has made you as fat as you are, so in your despair you'll take to heroin. So you're sitting in front of me, a potential homeless, divorcee junkie, and you want me to give you a home loan?
- Candy: (slurring words) My bl-back is klilling me-
- Greg: And look, there you are, already on the road to ruin. Now if you'll forgive me I'm just going to call security to have you removed from the premises, so I can stop wasting time with you and get someone in here who actually has money.
- Narrator: And there Greg has demonstrated steal ™[1] rule number 3, which is possibly the most important rule - Always follow the money.
Norma, could you please get my agent on the phone. I think we need a new client. Preferably one that pays better so I can get rid of this blasted mortgage.
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 steal and the steal ™ logo is a registered trademark of the "Savings, Transaction, Equity, Asset and Loans Bank International trading #666-71A3-666" all rights reserved. For the purposes of our corporate branding at no point should the acronym steal be capitalised. For full details of the allowable uses see the steal branding requirements v1.13.01 01-05-2009
- ↑ Please note that by the phrase allow you to use that does not in any way indicate that we will be giving permission for you to use this script or any part of this script without express written permission by the "Savings, Transaction, Equity, Asset and Loans Bank International trading #666-71A3-666", which is obtainable upon request and a suitable monetary incentivisation changing hands.
- ↑ steal ™ coffee blend is guaranteed to be made of 10% Robusta beans and 90% coffee coloured organic matter
- ↑ steal ™ tea is guaranteed to be steal ™ coffee blend with added water
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 Global Financial Crisis and GFC are registered trademarks of the "Savings, Transaction, Equity, Asset and Loans Bank International trading #666-71A3-666" all rights reserved. These are to be used as the excuse for any decisions regarding finance, and employment practices for the next 5 years. For full details of the allowable uses see the GFC excuses requirements v6.6.6 01-09-2008
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The Vodafail Report
I started this website out of frustration for Vodafone's customer service and ongoing network problems. It was designed to bring attention to the issues and show that aggrieved Vodafone customers are not alone. For the past month Vodafone customers and employees from all around Australia have shared their stories, the time they spent on hold and their phone reception details with Vodafail.com. Thank you for your openness and contributions.
The information you shared has been analysed and compiled into a report. The report aims to provide an insight into scale and complexity of Vodafone's issues, the causes and the potential resolutions that may be acceptable to the affected customers. The report is available in full on this page and on Thursday January 20th 2011, this report was submitted to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) and the Australian Communication & Media Authority (ACMA).
Vodafone Hutchison Australia is the only company who can solve the problems of its own making and the Australian Government has the power to ensure future problems are less likely and more quickly resolved. The Australian Communication Consumer Action Network (ACCAN), the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman (TIO) and the Privacy Commissioner continue to be vital in ensuring consumers' rights are respected and that issues are aired. Those organisations have the responsibility and that is where the attention should be focused.
The media in all its forms has brought these issues of public concern to the forefront of the public's minds. Vodafail has helped to organise that effort and if you are still experiencing problems with your Vodafone services please follow the steps on our 'How To Complain' page. Please direct any media inquiries regarding Vodafone's issues to Vodafone or the ACCAN. The ACCAN has released a statement about this report and the ongoing Vodafone issues.
Thanks again for all your support.
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VF100396206 tracking for the 555 Nokia white
VF100393002 tracking for the other Nokia C2-01sliver
I would like a answer or a replacement for my missing phones I'm so sick of calling vodefone and try to explain my problem
Vodafail.com Moderation Team
Months later I find out I have been black listed on my credit rating due to not paying a bill of $161.81. Has completely screwed my chances of getting any financial loan at all since.
Have just started trying to chase it up after all this time to try and get it removed but ultimately don't like my chances of that happening.
They initially promised 3 months free which sounded great, but you can only cancel your service on the Vodafone Network Guarantee in the first 30 days - which means there was a high probability of me getting stuck with a contract that I couldn't use.
I ordered a Mobile Broadband device too, but after this I am now going to *refuse delivery* of it.
Don't buy the network upgrade stuff, at the very least wait until they say it's fully complete; even then I would just pay the extra and get Telstra - who actually work already.
The international call rates are clearly listed here http://www.vodafone.com.au/personal/services/idd/international-calling/index.htm and can be found by selecting "calling overseas" from the plans dropdown menu at the top of the screen. Vodafone might be fairly useless, but you're the one that can't perform a simple click on the screen...
Despite assurances from the sales person that my home would have good coverage and service, when I got it home and plugged it into my Laptop, it said "NO SERVICE"!.
Had to run through loops to get to cancellations, with them saying "your area should be covered" and yet I get no signal.
Complained today and got 6 months free internet, with the promise of work being done in my area. Hopefully they'll follow through.
I checked their deals, clearly outlined, on their website. In particular I wanted to know the per minute charge for calls to Cambodia on the plan I wanted. In its country by country breakdown, the site told me it would be $1.35 per minute.
For comparison, I checked the Vodafail site. No such information. So I called. And eventually got through to an apparently offshore operator. The line was poor. I asked how much the per minute rate would be to call Cambodia on my current plan. She put me on hold for a while then returned with these words.
'I'm afraid I can't tell you. Please call back later.'
I laughed. This is a perfect illustration of why I'm changing carriers.
I am very much angry with this problem and I complained before but there is no effort from Vodafone side.
The most recent one was they charged me $400 (from the $49/mth plan). Had to go through with them and they mentioned I exceeded my internet plan by 1.8Gb (from 1Gb) plan. I asked them how so? They said I need to disable Data plan everytime on Wi-Fi, WTF?? Do they know the difference between 3G and WiFi? And pretty sure Android OS automatically sends/receives data through WiFi channel instead of 3G channel once the WiFi icon shows up.
And of course I NEVER used up all my quote, i normally use 150-200Mb of data per month and switched to WiFi whenever is possible. But their Customer Service mentions something like this: "If it shows up on our system this is something that you gotta pay regardless", right so if it shows up 10Gb of rogue data in your system, then we would'be charged thousands of $$$? For something we NEVER used in the first place? Thanks Vodafone, you need to get out of your 'socialist' mindset.
And this is another frustration after a few months of network connectivity issues (of course).
Vodafone should get out of this country! I mean it.
Internet drops out constantly, is ridiculously slow and most times I can't even connect to it. When I can, I only receive 2 to 3 out of 5 bars of reception.
I have been writing on the Vodafone Forums along with hundreds of other mobile broadband customers all over Australia who are experiencing the same problems. Vodafone Moderaters continue to delete posts that they say "aren't nice" or "bring Vodafone's brand into disrepute" and they don't seem to be able to (or want to) fix the problem or compensate customers for services they are paying for but not receiving.
I have emailed this information to the Editor at the Courier Mail to see if there would be any interest and intend on contacting the TIO to have this resolved. I'm absolutely disgusted with Vodafone's lack of care for this situation.
I didn't use much Internet during hose days either, mostly background software and whatsapp.
I also check the done status quite often to observe and it's icon is always 3G whenever I check.
Please let me know what steps should I take.
Vodafail.com Moderation Team
Despite assurances from the sales person that my home would have good coverage and service, when I got it home and plugged it into my Laptop, it said "NO SERVICE"!.
I took it back to the shop complete with Laptop, where it worked OK. The inference seemed to be that it was a "Dummy Customer" problem. But back at home there was still no service. There was no more the shop could do and they gave me the call centre phone number!
A phone call to their call centre got me a frustrating conversation with a polite young Indian man with a perfect English accent and little comprehension of what he was doing! After telling me to uninstall the software and then reinstall it and reboot the computer, (which of course didn't work) he was obviously out of answers with nowhere else to go, so we said our friendly farewells, and I still had NO SERVICE!
Then someone told me about WOKTENNAS. It works a bit like a satellite dish. You hang the modem at the focal point of a parabolic Chines cooking Wok, where the signal is reflected concentrated and intensified. The person who told me about it was a former Telstra Engineer. He had gone from "no signal" to 100%! So I bought a wok and set it up.
I immediately got a signal and was able to connect. However I wasn't as lucky with signal strength improvement. Connection was only 2G and VERY slow. Less than dial up speed!! However later on, after about 8-00 pm, I tried again and found signal strength increased and I was able to connect 3G at useful speeds. However dropouts were still frequent!
That is how it used to happen 65 years ago with my first crystal radio! Wireless signals were always better at night than during the day.
Just 400 meters away from my place, at the home of one of my daughters, it worked perfectly all the time without having to resort to the WOK. However at the home of another daughter, 24 km away on the other side of town, I had to use the woktenna again. I got 3G and faster connection speeds there but still only about HALF what I got with a Telstra DONGLE. (see below)
A few days after I bought the Crazy John Dongle, my sister gave me her old Telstra wireless broadband dongle and I bought a new SIM card for it. What a difference! Everywhere I have tried it so far it ALWAYS connects 3G, and connection speeds are ALWAYS quite good.
I hear Vodaphone are supposed to be upgrading their network, but I am not sure what that might mean for the local blackspot problems I have experienced. However that is now irrelevant!! Telstra recharges seem to cost quite a bit more but their service does work!! And I think it might be a better modem!
Thanks for letting us know. You can contact the TIO (details on the 'how to complain' page) and they will force Vodafone to call you and give you a response within 10 days. If you are having that many problems and vodafone hasn't been able to sort it out then you should be able to get out of your contract early.
Try and keep track of the times you contacted vodafone and the issues you encountered as that will help the TIO process your complaint. If Vodafone isn't providing the service then you shouldn't have to continue on the contract.
Vodafail.com Moderation Team
Then there was the day last year without reception, and last sunday i couldn't send an sms?? who does that?? Sure, if you live over East the reception works without a hitch. But over here, step 45mins outside of Perth, and reception is dodgy. Then if you travel up north you pretty much are without a phone until Geraldton! No wonder people are turning to Telstra. Perth is expanding, and the fact that the outer suburbs are without reception is plain ridiculous!
AND not to mention customer service! I went to put my phone in for repairs LAST year, and i still not heard back from them....so what the.
So thanks for your efforts Vodfone (or lack of) , I think I'm moving onto Telstra.
This all comes at a time when the telco's are whining about the TIO and asking to have it's wings clipped. Sorry if it's already been posted.
Its like, NSW is central, and therefore all of their efforts gets poured into there. Forget the rest of us.
Glad to hear someone is having a good time on Vodafone though!
Half of you are talking rubbish, you just got no clue, go and switch to Telstra and pay double...
stop complaining, about a dropped call and uhhhgg i can browse face book, idiots
Getting the 30-40 minute bus to uni I can barely use facebook or read any emails. I don't even bother with youtube or browsing.
I will also add the 3/vodaphone customer service is the worst I have ever recieved in my life.
They offered me $10/month off till the network was upgraded (due in April, apparently, so that's a grand total of $10 for 1 month). I declined. They asked if I'd considered switching to 3. I declined. They offered me a new handset. I declined. They waived my last unpaid bill and the next 3 months' charges.
I have lodged my complaint with the TIO.
It's 01:59am AEST, I have been on a queue now for 1hour 27 minutes and 21 seconds to speak to some one about the bullshit reception, I am getting tired of the Vodafone bitch saying messages like "hang in their, we'll be with you soon". Since that time I've been able to watch a 1 hour Youtube lecture the CEO of Vodafone Mr. Arun Sarin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwjOFetP7fI&feature=relmfu)spreading his bullshit. I have also been able to write this message and spell check it.The second I get to a customer rep, I am going to rip them and their manager a new one. This is a fucking joke.
Vodafone Customer Service is no better only trying to compensate the last 6 months of subpar service with a mere 25% off my bill for 2 months! Unacceptable! I want to speak to a real Vodafone consultant, not one from India!
My internet is slow like snail, I can't make use of it, and its not reliable gee it take forever to load.
over all just Crap. I want to get out of my plan. I want to get out as fast as I can,,I will spread the word that this is the crappiest network ever - not that they don't know already. I'd rather pay a higher package to get reliable service.
My god what kind of business are you running. I so sorry for the words im using but this is frustrating as hell. 49dollar a month for WHAT!!!!!! a brick???? an mp3 player a camera..BUT NOT a PHONE, not a smart device to surf the internet...
Plus on Australia Day i had no service and i was only in Austinmer & Corrimal!!
i would love to leave vodafone & go with telstra or someone else but i still have 8 months left on a $79 cap
Plus wrong billing. And ofcourse waiting over one hour on hold to get service only to be cut off after 3 transfers and not given a call back? come on!
To top it off, i was billed excess when i was under my call limit. Furthermore website was down last week when i attempt to check my usage and it is down today when i was confirming my usage cap to my bill
Only the operator, some guy in India, goes through a serious of rather trivial questions 1- did you use the usb modem on another PC 2- did you try your sim with another usb modem 3- does your service stay connected?
His guy concludes that its a problem with my simcard, despite me having two separate mobile broadband services, separate sims, separate usb modem, both happen to have a problem with the sim card? what a joke.
I told him you are lying, and he starts to stumble over his words... Then I tell him Im a network engineer, and I told him the real issue is that the network is oversubscribed and there is simply not enough network capacity because of the many iphone and mobile broadband users out there. What they need to do is upgrade their network from using E1's to fibre gigabit ethernet, which they simply cannot do as Telstra owns the majority of the conduit in the ground by which the fibre is laid.
The Indian consultant goes away for a VERY LONG time, comes back, and continues to parrot the same thing about a problem with my sim card, more BS, and is adamant the service and network is fine. Also boasting that vodafone has 10,000,000 customers so therefore the network must be great.
They are obviously lying and denying the problem with the network, i will cancel this service, and will call back, give em hell guys!
At home, the 3G connection stopped working last night, went to edge, then to 2G, then to no service. Then returned over the next hour. What use is a data capable phone if there is no connection.
and prior to that i put another complaint here about the fact that i can't call or receive calls from 4 different handsets that all show full bars of reception.
anyway so today i was sitting in a training seminar for the whole day... no 3g reception at all despite the fun telling me otherwise...
i've now been trying to use my 3g for the last ... 90 minutes but still nothing...
i reckon that we should define vodafail as:
failures that cross state or national boundaries, kinda like epic fails -.-
So, finally I was disappointed and I am still paying the price of choosing a wrong operator
Dropped calls, poor signal 3G problems etc... It looks as if they don't get there act together world wide . I am now in NZ and have a similar problem ,I got wireless after being told there was coverage in my area,
However they failed to inform me that I would have to wait 6 months for a line at the exchange!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and the consolation prize is .........I will not be charged until I get it!!!!!!!! THIS IS 2011 PEOPLE ...... WHO WAITS FOR 6 MONTHS FOR WIRELESS.. I can change it to DIAL UP ...........what planet did this employer fall off!!!!!!
I have a T stick and this does not help either .........its SLOWWWWWW.
My childrens safety is jeopardised and my life is so much more stressful than necessary due to the fact that I unfortunatley have Vodafone as my mobile provider.
I have taken screen shots showing how it took 6 minutes to load google.com.au within a 3G area with almost full signal.
I have also shown them how my phone can change from full 3G to full Edge to NO SERVICE in less than a minute in the Brisbane CBD...WTF!!!
Well customer service fobbed it off to be my phone (iPhone4), but i have already had my phone checked at the Apple Store and its working fine.
Next step was go see the Vodafone Store staff for another insight on why my phone isnt doing acceptable broadband speeds.
They told me it was my sim card....so they changed that and then did the *google.com.au* test on my phone....took over 2 mins to load the page with almost full 3G signal.
The staff could only answer by telling me it was a network issue and will be fixed by March 2011...im not sure how to say this...but its been happening since Nov 2010...i have contacted 1555 almost every week and get many different answers...but no solution.
I refuse to continue to pay for a service that isnt being provided and wont be waiting till March 2011...until they say its ALL FIXED...i have had too many broken promises and lies from vodafone to accept what is being said.
So...after many times...i still have this problem and im sure the solution will never happen...they just want me to go away.
Happy Motoring
Check out the "How To Complain" link at the top of the forums. Follow all of the steps and you shouldn't have a problem.
Nick (Author of post). :)
1- Off Air for 1hour (SOS ONLY).
2- Missed call without the phone having rung.
3- 7x msgs come through at once due to no network.
4- Poor reception.
All in 2 days. Went trough 3 CSOs, the third one telling me they will put through an investigation (again) and it will take 4 days for results.
Got home to find wife on the phone with Vodafone, with her Lost Network issues. She got them to put an investigation through (was advise it would take 5 days). They kept insisting that she needed to get a new SIM from a VFH shop, even when she told them 3 times she had already done so three weeks ago, and it actually made the issue worse, hence the reason for the call. total time on phone = 1hr 34mins.
Writing a long letter to VFH Accounts, VFH Client Services, VFH CEO to cancel contract by mutual consent, see how that goes...
This is way to much time being wasted i give up on Vodofone now. There has been over 12Thousand complaints so far about their network problems this is to much time to move on to either Optus or telestra.
Vodafone is so incompetent, after being disconnected without any reason, I tried to solve the problem over the phone. After I have spoken to 3 people I only was told that I will be connected to a 4th person and this in 1.5 hours mainly spent in the queue. Incredible. I wasn't even able to explain my problem.
Within the last 6 months, I have noticed the newtwork is very poor, including the wirless broadband. I called, and was put through to my handset manufacturer, they believed it was phone manufacturer problem and it should be looked at by a technician.
Vodafone has about 6 months to get its act together or it will be a business with no customers.

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The revelations of spying on telephone customers are extraordinary -- but it gets even worse. The government is spying, in real time, on rank-and-file Internet users. From the Guardian:
The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.
The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called PRISM, which allows officials to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says.
Let's put it plainly: It has been conclusively demonstrated that the government is spying on millions of Americans, without meaningful oversight, and without the assent of the very people -- all of us -- whom our government is supposed to represent.
The top secret document obtained by the Guardian also lists Microsoft, Yahoo, YouTube, Skype, and AOL as providers of user data to the NSA's PRISM program.
Those who have defended the government's enhanced cyber surveillance powers in the past argued that the NSA would have to get the consent of internet companies to obtain electronic communications -- but PRISM totally circumvents that, by giving the NSA direct access to the companies' servers!
What does all this mean? It means anything we do on the internet can be (and has been) monitored by the federal government.
This could be the turning point. We must not lie down as the NSA and the federal government eviscerate our privacy rights, invading and surveilling our every move.
Please sign on to our petition to the House Oversight Committee and Senate Judiciary Committee to demand an immediate investigation of this spying.
PETITION: The National Security Agency's internet spying program (PRISM) is an affront to our privacy rights. Investigate the ongoing spying on Americans and hold those responsible to account.
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Hi Anne, I last contacted you regarding my uncle who flew with 178 sqn....... We were travelling through Lincolnshire a couple of weeks ago, and we passed through the village of Binbrook. My late Dad completed his Bomber Command service there with 101 Squadron. There is a beautifully kept memorial there to the personnel of 460 Sqn RAAF. Do you have any connections with that Squadron? If so, please let me have your e-mail address and I will send you a couple of pics that I took of the memorial. Regards Peter
Anne, You do get around. As you can see I've actually registered and will start searches here soon. Thanks for the link. Regards Bill
Anne, I've just returned from Durban, South Africa where I spent about 10 days. I've also spent time at Durban High School, where my sister-in-law is head of department. She put me in touch with the school's archivist, who showed me Maj. Swales' miniature medals and presentation Lancaster. Do you have any photos of Major Swales?? Durban High School has a photocopy of his flight logbook, his mother's scrapbook (which has the telegrams dealing with Major Swales' death, DFC and VC awards). The archivist tells me that it was extremely rare for one to be gazetted with the DFC and awarded the VC the same day. Jim Mandelblatt


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Santa Monica City Council members unanimously voted Tuesday to take a closer look and further analyze alternatives and impacts of a developer's plan to bring 260 apartment units to the eastern edge of Santa Monica, potentially replacing the former Grammy Building at 3402 Pico Boulevard.
Development company Trammell Crow made its case to push the development forward as part of a float-up session, hoping to gain City Hall's backing in exchanging the former home of the company that staged the Grammys, according to City staff, a four-building mixed-use development.
According to the City staff report issued to council members, the buildings would be between two and four stories in height that would include approximately 2,999 square feet of ground floor commercial area, and approximately 505 parking spaces within a two-level subterranean parking garage.
The project site consists of three contiguous parcels with a total of 112,056 square feet located on the south side of Pico Boulevard between 34th Street and Centinela Avenue, City staff added.
Currently, a vacant three-story office building facing Pico Boulevard and 34th Street, surface and below-grade parking, and a vacant cluster of residential units facing Centinela Avenue occupy the property.
Greg Ames, a developer with Trammell Crow, hoped council members would provide proper guidance in moving the project forward.
"This site is unique in many regards," Ames told council members. "Many people … will suggest this site should not be developed at all. That's not entirely realistic."
Ames also told council members their vote was not for project approval but instead to allow him to enter the environmental review phase.
The project is also scaled back from what was originally presented to the Planning Commission, Ames pointed out.
Specifically, Ames explained the project size was reduced from 300 apartment units to 260 and the overall property was scaled back 16,400 square feet. Retail space was reduced 2,000 square feet, more open space was added along 34th Street, and setbacks were increased.
Yet the big concern was the project's relative location to Interstate 10: the development comes as close as 19 feet to Santa Monica Freeway. Accordingly, council members requested Trammell Crow to further analyze the environmental impacts of having a mixed-use project so close to the freeway.
More than three dozen speakers addressed council members during the public hearing segment of the float-up.
Most concerns were related to increased health, safety, and traffic problems.
Others urged council members to holistically consider every development in the vicinity of the Grammy Building.
Diana Gordon wrote to council members on behalf of the Santa Monica Coalition for a Livable City (SMCLC).
"SMCLC urges this Council to ensure that the float up process includes cumulative review of all proposed projects in the vicinity, including the massive Casden project proposed at Pico and Sepulveda and the Martin Cadillac project proposed at Olympic and Bundy," Gordon said. "This information is critical in order for the Council to assess the reasonable size and neighboring impacts of this Trammell Crow project."
Resident Jackie Stansbury wrote to council members saying the community did not need more reasons for non-residents to travel to Santa Monica.
"As a resident, I no longer attempt errands downtown after 11 a.m. because I know that I will not be able to park," Stansbury said. "I also know that the eight-minute trip back to Sunset Park could take thirty minutes during high traffic periods."
Mayor Pro Tem Gleam Davis contemplated the prospects of a reduced project or altering the mix of use of the development, such as altering the balance of commercial and residential space.
Council member Kevin McKeown said he would find it difficult to vote in favor of the project.
"This project shouldn't go forward as it's been floated to us," he said. "It's out of scale for the neighborhood. It puts residences too close to a freeway. It's not a suitable project. I don't think this project can be made to work."
Council member Pam O'Connor was not present for the vote.


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Not sure what this means for the Airbus-tail-snapped-off-and-plane-broke-up-in-mid-air-again theory. Seems to contradict it, but maybe doesn't completely rule it out.
Sounds like investigators are downplaying the impact of the speed sensors, though.
By GREG KELLER and EMMA VANDORE, Associated Press Writers
LE BOURGET, France – Air France Flight 447 slammed into the Atlantic Ocean, intact and belly first, at such a high speed that the 228 people aboard probably had no time to even inflate their life jackets, French investigators said Thursday in their first report into the June 1 accident.
Likening the investigation to a puzzle with missing pieces, lead investigator Alain Bouillard said that one month after the crash, "we are very far from establishing the causes of the accident."
Problematic speed sensors on the Airbus A330-200 jet that have been the focus of intense speculation since the crash may have misled the plane's pilots but were not a direct cause, Bouillard said, while admitting that investigators are still a long way from knowing what did precipitate the disaster.
"The investigation is a big puzzle," said Bouillard, who is leading the probe for the French accident agency BEA. "Today we only have a few pieces of the puzzle which prevents us from even distinguishing the photo of the puzzle."
The plane was flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when it went down in a remote area of the Atlantic, 930 miles (1,500 kilometers) off Brazil's mainland and far from radar coverage.
The BEA released its first preliminary findings on the crash Thursday, calling it one of history's most challenging plane crash investigations. Yet the probe, which has operated without access to the plane's flight data and voice recorders, appears so far to have unveiled little about what really caused the accident.
The speed sensors, called Pitot tubes, are "a factor but not the only one," Bouillard said. "It is an element but not the cause," Bouillard told a news conference in Le Bourget outside Paris.
Other elements that came under scrutiny in the immediate aftermath of the crash, such as the possibility that heavy storms or lightning may have brought down the jet, were also downplayed in the BEA's presentation.
Meteorological data show the presence of storm clouds in the area the jet would have flown through, but nothing out of the ordinary for the equatorial region in June, Bouillard said, eliminating the theory that the plane could have encountered a storm of unprecedented power. Other flights through the area shortly after Flight 447 disappeared didn't report unusual weather, Bouillard said.
"Between the surface of the water and 35,000 feet, we don't know what happened," Bouillard acknowledged. "In the absence of the flight recorders, it is extremely difficult to draw conclusions."
Representatives of families of the victims said they learned little new and vowed to continue to push for more information.
Charles-Henri Tardivat, lawyer representing victims' families said now that the phase of grief had passed, he expected families to be "even more motivated in trying to get answers and there's going to be significant pressure put on the authorities to continue feeding the facts and the answers that are necessary in this case. "
A burst of automated messages emitted by the plane before it fell gave rescuers only a vague location to begin their search, which has failed to locate the plane's black boxes in the vast ocean expanse.
The chances of finding the flight recorders are falling daily as the signals they emit fade. Without them, the full causes of the tragic accident may never be known.
One of the automatic messages indicates the plane was receiving incorrect speed information from the external monitoring instruments, which could destabilize its control systems. Experts have suggested those external instruments might have iced over.
The Pitots have not been "excluded from the chain that led to the accident," Bouillard said.
Analysis of the 600-odd pieces of the jet that have been recovered indicate the plane "was not destroyed in flight" and appeared to have hit the water intact and "belly first," gathering speed as it dropped thousands of feet, he said.
He also said investigators have found "neither traces of fire nor traces of explosives."
Shortly after the crash, aviation experts indicated that fractures revealed during autopsies of the victims along with the large pieces of wreckage pulled from the Atlantic strongly suggested the plane broke up in the air. There was no immediate explanation for the apparent contradiction between the BEA's findings and those viewpoints.
Bouillard said air traffic controllers in Dakar, Senegal had never officially taken control of Flight 447 after its last radio contact with Brazilian flight controllers at 1:35 a.m., and it wasn't until up to seven hours later that flight controllers in Madrid and Brest, France, raised an alarm. He said the delay was being investigated but was not a cause of the crash.
Brazilian Air Force Col. Henry Munhoz said all required information on the plane's flight plan was passed to Senegalese air controllers.
Some members of the crash victims' families said that without a clear cause to blame the accident on, the interim report held little significance.
Marco Tulio Moreno Marques, a 43-year-old lawyer in Rio de Janeiro, lost both his parents in the crash. He did not bother watching the French investigators' public presentation, saying that without the black boxes, he was skeptical of any findings.
"I think it is difficult that they will ever find out what happened," he said. "They can say a flying saucer hit the plane, but if they don't find the black boxes we will never know for certain what happened."
Kieran Daly, editor of Air Transport Intelligence, said although investigators seem to know very little about what happened due to "a horrendous lack of evidence," it is significant that the plane landed the right way up.
"It suggests they were in some kind of flight attitude," he said.
But he warned that "without finding the black boxes it's going to be phenomenally difficult, maybe impossible, to determine what happened."
Bouillard said life vests found among the wreckage were not inflated, suggesting passengers were not prepared for a crash landing in the water. The pilots apparently also did not send any mayday calls.
He said there was "no information" suggesting a need to ground the world's fleet of more than 600 A330 planes as a result of the crash.
"As far as I'm concerned there's no problem flying these aircraft," he said.
Air France said all elements of the investigation "will be fully and immediately taken into account by the airline" and that it is continuing to cooperate with the investigators with "a commitment to total transparency with regard to the investigators, its passengers and the general public."
The black boxes — which are in reality bright orange — are resting somewhere on an underwater mountain range filled with crevasses and rough, uneven terrain. Bouillard said the search for them has been extended by 10 days through July 10, while his investigation would run through Aug. 15.
Bouillard said French investigators have yet to receive any information from Brazilian authorities about the results of the autopsies on the 51 bodies recovered from the site.
But a spokesman for the Public Safety Department in Brazil's Pernambuco state — in charge of the autopsies — denied that.
"French medical examiners are working together with Brazilian medical examiners and they have full access to all the information obtained from autopsies," the spokesman said on condition of anonymity according to department rules.
Families of the victims met with officials from BEA, Air France and the French transport ministry before the report was released. An association of families addressed a letter to the CEO of Air France, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, demanding answers to several questions about the plane.
Investigators should have an easier time recovering debris and black boxes in the crash of a Yemeni Airbus 310 with 153 people on board that went down Tuesday just nine miles (14.5 kilometers) north of the Indian Ocean island-nation of Comoros.
Vandore reported from Paris. Associated Press writers Cecile Brisson at Le Bourget, Angela Charlton in Paris, Marco Sibaja in Brasilia, Bradley Brooks in Rio de Janeiro and Stan Lehman in Sao Paulo contributed to this report.


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Integrated Roadside Vegetation Management
In 1987, the Story County Board of Supervisors, in cooperation with the Story County Engineer and Story County Conservation, decided to take a new approach to roadside maintenance.
The Integrated Roadside Vegetation Management Program (IRVM) was developed to provide a cost-effective, environmentally safe management alternative to conventional chemical and mechanical management practices. IRVM maintains a safe travel environment on the county right-of-ways, controls noxious weeds and soil erosion, sustains water quality, improves wildlife habitat, and provides the public with aesthetically pleasing roadsides.
6 Reasons Why the IRVM Program is Important to Story County
- Roadside plantings are a long-term plan for cost savings.
- Native plants help drivers in the winter
- Native plants are important to pollinators and other wildlife
- Roadside plantings beautify the landscape.
- Native plants resist the spread of invasive species.
- Native plantings preserve our natural heritage.
Prairie Preservation
Prairie once covered 85% of Iowa. Today, only 1/100 of 1% of Iowa is protected and managed as prairie. Iowa's native roadsides help prevent soil erosion and provide important habitat while promoting the use of prairie statewide.
IRVM is also available to provide technical advice for every aspect of prairie management. Our private lands program can help you with everything you need; from preparing your land for native species to advice on species selection. In addition, several different pieces of equipment are available for rent. Please contact the IRVM office at 515-382-7367 for more information.
Weed Control
The IRVM office is also responsible for upholding the Iowa Weed Law (Chapter 317, code of Iowa) within Story County. Historically invasive species have always been a problem in the roadside, but the county Weed Commissioner oversees the control of noxious weeds on all public and private property.Controlling noxious weeds is an important aspect of responsible land management. If noxious weeds are left uncontrolled they can cause severe economic and environmental loss. Weeds may be controlled in the following ways:
Spot Spraying
A technique that uses herbicides to spot kill weeds. It targets specific weed problems like Canada thistle, musk thistle, and giant ragweed. Selected herbicides used are effective, yet environmentally sensitive. In the past, blanket spraying killed or stressed many plants in the roadside resulting in weedy vegetation and water quality issues. It was also very expensive.
Controlled Burning
Requires proper weather conditions, equipment, and management skills. Rotational burning at the right time can boost native vegetation historically linked with fire to promote growth. Many weedy species are not fire-adapted. Brochures on roadside burning are available. For more information, contact the IRVM office.
Used to reduce seed proliferation, improve site distance at intersections and signs, and to reduce snow drifting. Limited mowing also decreases equipment maintenance, fuel requirements, and labor costs.
A healthy and diverse native planting can be relatively weed resistant. To promote healthy plantings, IRVM uses a diverse native seed mixture and limits disturbance in the right-of-way. Disturbance concerns include; off-label herbicide use (overspray), excessive water movement, and soil erosion.
The Story County IRVM program is responsible for upholding the Iowa Weed Law (Chapter 317, code of Iowa).
The Iowa Weed Law defines noxious weeds as:
Primary noxious weeds
- quack grass (Agropyron repens)
- perennial sow thistle (Sonchus arvensis)
- Canada thistle (Cirsium arvense)
- bull thistle (Cirsium lanceolatum)
- European morning glory/field bindweed (Convolvulus arvensis)
- horse nettle (Solanum carolinense)
- leafy spurge (Euphorbia esula)
- perennial pepper-grass (Lepidium draba)
- Russian knapweed (Centaurea repens)
- buckthorn (Rhamnus, not to include Rhamnus frangula)
- all other species of thistles belonging in genera of Cirsium and Carduus
Secondary noxious weeds
- butterprint (Abutilon theophrasti) annual
- cocklebur (Xanthium commune) annual
- wild mustard (Brassica arvensis) annual
- wild carrot (Daucus carota) biennial
- buckhorn (Plantago lanceolata) perennial
- sheep sorrel (Rumex acetosella) perennial
- sour dock (Rumex crispus) perennial
- smooth dock (Rumex altissimus) perennial
- poison hemlock (Conium maculatum)
- multiflora rose (Rosa multiflora)
- wild sunflower (wild strain of Helianthus annus L.) annual
- puncture vine (Tribulus terrestris) annual
- teasel (Dipsacus) biennial
- shattercane (Sorghum bicolor) annual
In addition to the weeds listed in the Iowa Code 317, the Board of Supervisors declare the following weeds as noxious: Allaria petiolata (garlic mustard), Myriophyllum spicatum (Eurasian watermilfoil), Polygonum cuspidatum (Japanese bamboo) and Lythrum salicaria (purple loosestrife).
Noxious weeds from the Iowa Code 317 that are present in Story County shall be controlled before the following dates and as often thereafter as is necessary for control. Control is defined as prevention of the spread of noxious weeds by limiting the production of reproductive structures.
The list includes, but is not limited to;
- Group 1 by June 10 - Garlic mustard, leafy spurge, musk thistle, Eurasian watermilfoil, Japanese Bamboo, annual sunflower;
- Group 2 by June 15 - Canada thistle, purple loosestrife, teasel, poison hemlock.
For identification assistance, please visit:
For a full copy of the current Iowa Weed Law, please visit:
Brush Control
Story County's IRVM program controls woody vegetation within the right-of-way, improving site distance around road signs and intersections, reducing snow traps, and improving conditions that might impede the maintenance of the right-of-way.
Story County's Brush Management Policy was adopted on August 13, 2002 and reads as follows:
It is the policy of Story County that the vegetation of its roadsides to be preserved, planted, and maintained safe, visually attractive, and ecologically integrated and useful in many purposes (see Iowa Code section 314.22 for the full statement of the purpose of this policy).
The purpose of this policy is to control woody vegetation within Story County's road right-of-way. To meet this purpose, the County has authority, in its discretion, to:
- Cut and/or spray any woody vegetation in the right-of-way which creates a situation that threatens the safety of the traveling public such as:
A. Snow traps and/or shading of the road that might occur
B. Site distance problems in relation to road signs or intersections
C. Conditions that impede the maintenance or improvements to the right-of-way
D. Width or height restrictions of vehicles or equipment using the roadway.
- Leave woody materials which have been cut or sprayed to decompose in the right of way.
- Burn the roadside vegetation to destroy small brush and stimulate desirable vegetation.
Utilizing these methods, the following guidelines will be implemented:
Along all county roads, dirt, gravel and paved, our normal procedure will be to clear the entire right of way width, utilizing level cuts as low as possible, with the following exceptions:
- Tree and shrubs in house yards or residential acreages, whose bases are inside the right of way line by no more than five feet (5'), may remain, if desired, but limbs must be pruned back to the to the nearest lateral branch, so that they extend no further than eight feet (8') into the right of way. A written notice of our intended work will be sent or delivered to these properties a minimum of seven (7) days prior to the commencement of our work. This notice will provide the landowner an opportunity to arrange for his/her own trimming and/or to request any larger material for firewood. (Landowner will be responsible for cutting into lengths and removing from ditch.)
- Side trimming of limbs of trees will be done by pruning them back to no more than eight (8) feet from the right of way line when the tree base is actually outside the right of way.
The mechanical brush cutter will be used in rural non-residential areas with small scattered brush and trees where debris will be allowed to lay on slopes. Mechanically cut stumps, larger than eight (8) inches in diameter, as well as those larger trees that are cut totally with chain saws., will be cut flush to the ground, whenever possible. Large side branches will be trimmed to the main trunk or first lateral branch.
Brush control through cutting, spraying, and burning is an integrated approach to roadside vegetation management. Story County is committed to the wise use of herbicides on its roadsides and being consistent with employee and environmental safety and with regulations controlling the use of roadside application of pesticides in the state.
The IRVM department has equipment available to assist with every aspect of native prairie establishment and management; from the back yard to the back forty. If you are interested in renting one of the following pieces of equipment, please contact the IRVM office at 515-382-7367.
Equipment available for rent:
- 6 foot, 8 foot and 10 foot native grass/forb seed drills
- 3-point broadcast seeder
- Cultipackers
- DiskHand-held seeder
- Spike-tooth harrow
Joe Kooiker
Vegetation Management BiologistPhone: (515) 382-7367


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Infamous Java bugs and pitfalls
In year 2000, I was in university and was on the verge of picking a language to build my career on. Java was not yet the mainstream but highly popular and on the spots. Applets were (not yet broken) fancy, shiny when compared to static html pages. Swing was not a bad choice to build desktop apps. J2EE was rising and getting attention. It has been 13 years since then and Java went mainstream although applets failed miserably, not really considered for desktop apps and J2EE was too complicated to even build simple stuff but still nothing stopped Java from being the most popular programming language.
It was no surprise, Java is beatiful, type safe and easy to learn language. There were many very good implemantation details in Java such the garbage collector, strings
(finalized class), collections which offer great implemantations of merge and quicksort, built in hashcode methods and many more. However, still Java is far from being perfect and may introduce some unexpected behaviour.
The abs bug:
Well this is a very minor flaw but there is a probability that Math.abs() function may return negative value. Weird? actually simple, Java integers can get a value between -2,147,483,648 to 2,147,483,647 which clearly shows -2,147,483,648 can not be represented in positive.
So is this a bug? Well the expected value is positive so yes definitely but in the end this is actually an overflow. So how to fix it? One way would be checking Integer.MIN_VALUE before using abs function or using bit operators to manipulate negative sign instead.
Autoboxing the primitives pitfalls:
Autoboxing makes it easy to work with primitive types and their object counterpart. However moving between them may introduce some unexpected behavior. For example Integer i1=6 can not be compared to Integer i2=6 with == operator where int i3=6 can be compared to those with ==. However using equals may not work as expected too. For example Long x=0L; returns true when x.equals(0L) but returns false when x.equals(0). Weird? Not really since x is long where 0 (without L) is int. So those are not even same object types. Also using primitive types with collections may result unexpected behavior. Finally Autoboxing may result problems in overloading. Lets say we have Integer i=6 and call method sum(i); and we have two sum methods like; sum(long val) and sum(Long val). Which one do you think will be called? Again reasonable but not expected to see at first look and may lead problems in your app.
BigDecimal constructor bug:
If you haven't already check Java Puzzlers from Joshua Bloch. If you create two Big decimals using double constructor (x1=new BigDecimal(2.00) and x2=new BigDecimal (1.10)) and use subtract (x1.subtract(x2)) you will end up with 0.8999999999. The double constructor of BigDecimal doesn't work as expected and string constructor needs to be used instead (new BigDecimal("2.00")). This might be a serious problem since BigDecimal is widely used for money calculations!
System.out.println pitfall:
println() is one of the first functions that is tought to cs students. It is easy and used often. Usually quite ok to use when you are trying some logic or debugging some values. However System.out is synchronized so acquires a lock when accessed. So using println can cause your app to run in synchronized context which actually means threads will be blocked when accessing println. Imagine a webserver and an app logging with println and you will end up with thread locks and each request waiting for other. So println is ok and useful but not for real apps and logging!
Map bug:
Again take a look at Java Puzzlers from Joshua Bloch, the fifth puzzle(size matters) introduces a strange behavior between an HashMap and an EnumMap where with same values, one map has a size of 2 where the other is 1. Several Map implementations such as IdentityHashMap, EnumMap may introduce this behavior.
Is this a bug? Well certainly we expect same principles from map implementations but Bloch describes that as the spec was not clear at the time.
Cpu Number bug:
This may not be a huge problem unless you really rely on hardware. To get available processor count Java offers Runtime.getRuntime().availableProcessors() method which returns an int number as the number of the processors available. However you may end up getting unexpected numbers if you give a try. For example on my quad-core i7, I get 8. So this method does not return the number of hardware cpus nor the number of cores but the number of execution engines (virtual cores). In my case because quad-core i7s support hyper treading it actually acts like it has eight cores.
So is this a bug? Definitely not since the hardware and the OS acts as if they have that number of physical cpus but still be careful counting if you rely on solid hardware.
Generic arrays
In Java arrays are created as follows, int[] arr=new int[5]; so if you have a generic type of T, you would expect to create a generic array this way: T[]=new T[5]; but simply you can't. Java does not allow generic array creation and this is actually because generics are implemented in Java using Erasure. Generics are implemented purely in compiler level and actually only one class file is generated for each class. So to create the array we need an ugly cast as follows, T[]=(T[]) new Object[5]; and when you try to compile, the compiler will issue a warning that you are doing an unsafe cast!
Of course this is not bug, it is just an implementation problem given for the sake of simplicity and compability when generics were implemented. But raising a compiler warning on a design issue may confuse someone who faced it for the first time. So this is definitely not the end of the list but still Java offers a beatiful syntax, type safety and a realiable easy to learn language. And finally no language or implementation is perfect!


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I heard that if your website/blog receives few views, you should avoid putting ads on the site due to smart pricing.
I have a number of niche sites (all with ads) and am just now opening another niche site. I'm wondering how long I should wait before I put AdSense on it (it's been quite a while since I've started a niche site.)
How many views should you have per day on your site before you put ads on to avoid being smart priced?