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Postpartum Depression
Topic Overview
Is this topic for you?
This topic is about major depression triggered by childbirth. It is different from the "baby blues," which many women have in the first couple of weeks after childbirth. For more information, see Baby Blues.
What is postpartum depression?
Postpartum depression is a serious illness that can occur in the first few months after childbirth. It also can happen after miscarriage and stillbirth.
Postpartum depression can make you feel very sad, hopeless, and worthless. You may have trouble caring for and bonding with your baby.
Postpartum depression is not the "baby blues," which usually go away within a couple of weeks. The symptoms of postpartum depression can last for months.
In rare cases, a woman may have a severe form of depression called postpartum psychosis. This is an emergency, because it can quickly get worse and put her or others in danger.
It's very important to get treatment for depression. The sooner you get treated, the sooner you'll feel better and enjoy your baby.
What causes postpartum depression?
Postpartum depression seems to be brought on by the changes in hormone levels that occur after pregnancy. Any woman can get postpartum depression in the months after childbirth, miscarriage, or stillbirth.
You have a greater chance of getting postpartum depression if:
- You've had depression or postpartum depression before.
- You have poor support from your partner, friends, or family.
- You have a sick or colicky baby.
- You have a lot of other stress in your life.
You are more likely to get postpartum psychosis if you or someone in your family has bipolar disorder (also known as manic-depression).
What are the symptoms?
A woman who has postpartum depression may:
- Feel very sad, hopeless, and empty. Some women also may feel anxious.
- Lose pleasure in everyday things.
- Not feel hungry and may lose weight. (But some women feel more hungry and gain weight).
- Have trouble sleeping.
- Not be able to concentrate.
These symptoms can occur in the first day or two after the birth. Or they can follow the symptoms of the baby blues after a couple of weeks.
If you think you may have postpartum depression, take a short quiz to check your symptoms:
A woman who has postpartum psychosis may feel cut off from her baby. She may see and hear things that aren't there. Any woman who has postpartum depression can have fleeting thoughts of suicide or of harming her baby. But a woman with postpartum psychosis may feel like she has to act on these thoughts.
If you think you can't keep from hurting yourself, your baby, or someone else, see your doctor right away or call 911 for emergency medical care. For other resources, call:
- The national suicide hotline at 1-800-273-TALK (1-800-273-8255).
- The National Child Abuse Hotline at 1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453).
How is postpartum depression diagnosed?
Your doctor will do a physical exam and ask about your symptoms.
Be sure to tell your doctor about any feelings of baby blues at your first checkup after the baby is born. Your doctor will want to follow up with you to see how you are feeling.
How is it treated?
Postpartum depression is treated with counseling and antidepressant medicines. Women with milder depression may be able to get better with counseling alone. But many women need both. Moms can still breastfeed their babies while taking certain antidepressants.
To help yourself get better, make sure you eat well, get some exercise every day, and get as much sleep as possible. Get support from family and friends if you can.
Try not to feel bad about yourself for having this illness. It doesn't mean you're a bad mother. Many women have postpartum depression. It may take time, but you can get better with treatment.
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Postpartum depression seems to be triggered by the sudden hormone changes that happen after childbirth, miscarriage, or stillbirth. This is more likely in women who have certain risk factors, including previous depression. For more information, see What Increases Your Risk.
The two most common symptoms of depression are:
- Feeling sad or hopeless nearly every day.
- Losing interest in or not getting pleasure from most daily activities, and feeling this way nearly every day.
An especially serious symptom of depression is thinking about death and suicide. Some women with postpartum depression have fleeting, frightening thoughts of harming their babies.
Nearly every day, you may also:
- Lose or gain weight. You may also feel like eating more or less than usual.
- Sleep too much or not enough. You may also have trouble sleeping, even when your baby is sleeping.
- Feel restless and not be able to sit still, or you may sit quietly and feel that moving takes great effort. Others can easily see this behavior.
- Feel unusually tired or as if you have no energy.
- Feel unworthy or guilty. You may have low self-esteem and worry that people don't like you.
- Find it hard to focus, remember things, or make decisions. You may feel anxious or worried about things.
Are you depressed?
If you have at least five of the above symptoms for 2 weeks or longer, and one of the symptoms is either sadness or loss of interest, you may have depression and may need treatment.
Even if you have fewer symptoms, you may still be depressed and may benefit from treatment. No matter how many symptoms you have, it's important to see your doctor. The sooner you get treatment, the better your chance for a quick and full recovery.
If you think you may have depression, take a short quiz to check your symptoms:
Postpartum psychosis
This severe condition is most likely to affect women who have bipolar disorder or a history of postpartum psychosis. Symptoms, which usually start during the first 3 weeks (as soon as 1 to 2 days) after childbirth, include:
- Feeling removed from your baby, other people, and your surroundings (depersonalization).
- Disturbed sleep, even when your baby is sleeping.
- Extremely confused and disorganized thinking, increasing your risk of harming yourself, your baby, or another person.
- Drastically changing moods and bizarre behavior.
- Extreme agitation or restlessness.
- Hallucinations. These often involve sight, smell, hearing, or touch.
- Delusional thinking that isn't based in reality.
Postpartum psychosis is considered an emergency requiring immediate medical treatment. If you have any psychotic symptoms, seek emergency help right away. Until you tell your doctor and get treatment, you are at high risk of suddenly harming yourself or your baby.
What Happens
Symptoms of postpartum depression start in the weeks to months after childbirth, miscarriage, or stillbirth.
In some cases, symptoms peak after slowly building for 3 or 4 months.
Fathers of new babies or partners of new moms can also experience postpartum depression.
Postpartum depression makes it hard for you to function well. This includes caring for and bonding with your baby.
In rare cases, dangerous postpartum psychosis symptoms can occur within the first few postpartum weeks, as soon as a few days after childbirth.
Early treatment counts
Early treatment is important for you, your baby, and the rest of your family. The sooner you start, the more quickly you will recover. And there's less chance that your depression will affect your baby. Babies of depressed mothers might be less attached to their mothers and might lag behind developmentally in behavior and mental ability.
For more information about who is more likely to have postpartum depression, see What Increases Your Risk.
What Increases Your Risk
A risk factor is anything that increases your chances of having a certain problem. Risk factors for postpartum depression include:
- A history of postpartum depression. This puts you at high risk of having it again.
- Poor support from family, partner, and friends.
- High life stress, such as a sick or colicky newborn, financial troubles, or family problems.
- Physical limitations or problems after childbirth.
- Depression during a current pregnancy.
- Previous depression.
- Bipolar disorder, also known as manic-depression. It also increases the risk of dangerous psychotic behavior after childbirth.
- A family history of depression or bipolar disorder.
- Previous premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD), which is the severe type of premenstrual syndrome (PMS).
Risk factors for postpartum psychosis include:
- A personal or family history of bipolar disorder.
- Previous postpartum psychosis.
When should you call your doctor?
Call 911, the national suicide hotline at 1-800-273-TALK (1-800-273-8255), the National Child Abuse Hotline at 1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453), or other emergency services right away if:
- You or someone you know is thinking seriously of suicide or has recently tried suicide. Serious signs include these thoughts:
- You have decided on how to kill yourself, such as with a weapon or medicines.
- You have set a time and place to do it.
- You think there is no other way to solve the problem or end the pain.
- You feel you cannot stop from hurting yourself, your baby, or someone else.
Call a doctor right away if:
- You hear voices.
- You have been thinking about death or suicide a lot, but you do not have a suicide plan.
- You are worried that your feelings of depression or thoughts of suicide are not going away.
Seek care soon if:
- You have symptoms of depression, such as:
- Feeling sad or hopeless.
- Not enjoying anything.
- Having trouble with sleep.
- Feeling guilty.
- Feeling anxious or worried.
- You have been treated for depression for more than 3 weeks, but you are not getting better.
Who to see
Your pregnancy health professional may be the first person to note and diagnose postpartum depression. This is one of many reasons why it's important to have a medical check 3 to 6 weeks after childbirth.
Diagnosis and treatment of postpartum depression can be provided by a:
Counseling can be provided by a:
- Psychologist.
- Social worker.
- Licensed professional counselor.
- Psychiatrist (all prescribe medicine, and many also provide counseling).
Exams and Tests
For part of your postpartum checkup, your doctor typically asks you about your moods and emotions.
Your doctor may check your thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) levels to make sure a thyroid problem isn't causing any depression symptoms.
Early detection
If you have had depression, postpartum depression, or postpartum psychosis before, are now pregnant and have depression, or have bipolar disorder, ask your doctor and family members to watch you closely. Some experts suggest that high-risk women have their first postnatal checkup 3 or 4 weeks after childbirth, rather than the usual 6 weeks.
Treatment Overview
Talk to your doctor about your symptoms, and together you can decide what type of treatment is right for you.
Treatment choices include:
- Counseling for both you and your partner. Counseling can give you emotional support and help with problem solving and goal setting. For more information, see Other Treatment.
- Antidepressant medicine.It relieves symptoms of postpartum depression for most women. For more information, see Medications.
Women with moderate to severe postpartum depression are advised to combine counseling with antidepressant medicine. Women with mild depression are likely to benefit from counseling alone.
You may also benefit from:
- A part-time or full-time mother's helper.
- Parent coaching or infant massage classes, for strengthening mother-baby attachment.
How long do you need to take antidepressant medicine?
Antidepressants are typically used for 6 months or longer, first to treat postpartum depression and then to prevent a relapse of symptoms.
To prevent a relapse, your doctor may recommend that you take medicine for up to a year before considering tapering off of it. Women who have had several bouts of depression may need to take medicine for a long time.
Keeping your body and mind strong and healthy will help reduce the effects of hormone changes and stress that come with childbirth.
- Ask for help from others so you can get as much sleep, healthy food, exercise, and overall support as possible.
- Stay away from alcohol, caffeine, and other drugs or medicines unless recommended by your doctor.
- If you are worried about postpartum depression, have your first postnatal checkup 3 or 4 weeks after childbirth rather than the usual 6 weeks.
High-risk women
Women whose risk is higher for the reasons listed below may want to take extra steps to prevent postpartum depression.
- A history of depression. If you have no depression symptoms late in a first pregnancy, watchful waiting is recommended. But if you have a history of severe depression, some experts recommend counseling and support before childbirth. You and your doctor may choose to start antidepressant medicine after the birth, particularly if you have had postpartum depression before.
- A history of postpartum depression. After childbirth, don't wait for symptoms to appear. Start with counseling and support (some women start counseling a couple of months before childbirth). You and your doctor may choose a combination of counseling and an antidepressant.
- Depression during your pregnancy. If you took an antidepressant medicine during pregnancy, continue taking it after the birth to reduce your high risk of postpartum depression.
- Domestic violence. The potential for domestic violence increases during a woman's pregnancy and when a couple is adjusting to a new baby. If your partner is violent or emotionally abusive, you and your baby are physically at risk, and you have a higher risk of postpartum depression. Now more than ever, it's crucial that you protect yourself and your baby. Seek support and help. For more information, see the topic Domestic Violence.
Home Treatment
Postpartum depression is a medical condition. It's not a sign of weakness. Be honest with yourself and those who care about you. Tell them about your struggle. You, your doctor, and your friends and family can team up to treat your symptoms.
There's a lot you can do for yourself at home to cope with postpartum depression, from getting regular exercise to joining a support group.
Antidepressants are commonly used, usually in combination with counseling and support.
You may start to feel better within 1 to 3 weeks of taking antidepressant medicine. But it can take as many as 6 to 8 weeks to see more improvement. If you have questions or concerns about your medicines, or if you don't notice any improvement by 3 weeks, talk to your doctor.
Antidepressants are typically used for at least 6 months, first to treat postpartum depression and then to prevent a relapse of symptoms. To prevent a relapse, your doctor may recommend that you take medicine for up to a year before you think about stopping it. Women who have had several bouts of depression may need to take medicine for a long time.
Can you take antidepressant medicine and breastfeed your baby?
Treating your depression is very important for your baby. Breastfeeding is good for your baby's health. And it's good for your baby's bond with you. At best, you will be able to treat your depression and breastfeed your baby. But if you decide to choose between taking medicine and breastfeeding, take the medicine.
Medicine choices
- Antidepressants, such as fluoxetine (Prozac), sertraline (Zoloft) and amitriptyline, are generally thought to be safe for use while breastfeeding. Check with your doctor to be sure.
- Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are usually the first-choice medicines. Most SSRIs are thought to be safe for use while a woman is breastfeeding. That's because SSRIs generally pass into the breast milk at low levels.
- Tricyclics are generally thought to be safe for use while a woman is breastfeeding.
Other Treatment
Poor family and social support and high stress raise the risk of postpartum depression. For this reason, every woman with a new baby needs plenty of support from family and friends. Any special care you get will help you get through the challenges of the postpartum period.
Counseling helps prevent and treat depression during pregnancy and after childbirth. To improve treatment success, both parents should try to take part.
- Cognitive-behavioral therapy helps you take charge of the way you think and feel.
- Interpersonal counseling provides emotional support and help with problem solving and goal setting.
Your doctor may recommend a licensed counselor who specializes in treating postpartum depression. To effectively treat depression, it's important that you and your counselor have a comfortable relationship.
Alternative treatment
- Light therapy hasn't been widely studied for postpartum depression. But it helps depression during pregnancy, winter-related depression (seasonal affective disorder), and general depression.
- Parent coachingoffers both education and support for handling baby care and problems as well as for the personal and couple transition into parenthood.
- Infant massageclasses teach you skills for physically and emotionally bonding with your baby. And they give you a chance to spend time with other mothers.
In rare cases, electroconvulsive therapy is used to treat severe forms of depression. It works well as short-term treatment.
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Current as of: May 28, 2019
Author: Healthwise Staff
Medical Review:Patrice Burgess, MD, FAAFP – Family Medicine & Kathleen Romito, MD – Family Medicine & Lisa S. Weinstock, MD – Psychiatry
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Tens of millions of people tune in every week to the Chinese dating show Take Me Out. It's pure entertainment: girls in skimpy dresses hoping for a date; sweaty, geeky guys stammering questions; and two effete hosts sporting matching bouffant hairstyles.
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Limitations on TV content in China are nothing new. SARFT has long restricted foreign programs, including animated cartoons, in the interest of encouraging domestic programming. Other types of content are regularly banned, either for the sensitivity of their nature — for example, dramas depicting official corruption — or simply because of their popularity.
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Culture has been at the top of the political agenda since October, when the most important political conclave of the year — the Central Committee meeting — ended with a document focusing on "deepening cultural system reforms." Some analysts have seen this as a move to combat the influence of social media in a year that saw the Arab Spring.
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But analyst Hu Xingdou doesn't believe the official line.
"I don't think this has much to do with division and westernization; the young people have already been westernized," Hu says. "The battlefield of public opinion that they're really fighting over is how to control the intellectuals. But mostly the intellectuals aren't buying it."
For the first time in two decades, a Hong Kong TV drama has been forbidden on the mainland. It's unclear why When Heaven Burns was banned — possibly due to veiled allusions to the pro-Democracy protests in 1989 or the presence in one shot of a publicity banner belonging to the outlawed Falun Gong sect. The cultural purge could go further still.
A new draft law governing the film industry would ban movies featuring religious fanaticism, gambling, drug abuse and even horror. Hao Jian, a professor at Beijing Film Academy, believes that in yielding to their tendency to control, China's leaders are highlighting their own insecurities.
"We feel tighter and tighter controls on politics, on Twitter, on entertainment and on TV news," Hao says. "Our political system is wary of the outside world, even hostile to it. Sometimes we say it has a persecution complex; it always feels people are infiltrating us, attacking us, westernizing us. It's a very fearful psychological state."
That fear is such that this year even Super Girl Voice is banned. The singing contest stormed the ratings six years ago and 8 million votes were cast in the finale, making it arguably the most open election in China.
The danger is that by tightening their grip on entertainment, China's leaders are neutering their own artists and alienating many millions of nonpolitical youth, who only want to relax and be entertained.
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Thursday, August 20, 2009
Hare Rama Hare Krishna
I am feeling fluish. My driver Choudhary has been felled by the virus as well. Now I am praying this sluggishness will pass and it isn't the dreaded you-know-what! I have a bhaari shoot lined up tomorrow, plus another tv interview on the same ghasaa peeta topic ( srk and his outburst). I need my customary stamina! Last week , I was in Alibag having the time of my life tucking into a traditional Saraswat feast. Today, I can't bear to look at food. One more day to go before the holy month of Shravan ends. I'm seriously considering extending my Shravan discipline by another month. It's a great way to detox and destress and all that satvik food has kept my restless mind in check!
More tomorrow. But only apres the shoot. I'll be clad in Dior and feeling rather posh!
34 comments:
- Unknown said...
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- August 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM
- Unknown said...
Hey Shobha,
A bit disappointed with this post as well and I am not PC and not a HKHR disciple. I live in London and have visited thr two temples one I Soho n one in Watford. I attended the aarti at Watford Temple and it was divine and the fact a Gora was doing it made it out of the world..visit Watford aarti [please on ur next visit; I can tag along 2 :)] & eat parshad at your next visit..it may change ur mind… I agree wth the wrong display… but u know it can't b perfect… and I pity u for speaking for SRK….bless that child of ours JAI HO !! lol
Love Gulshan - August 20, 2009 at 9:13 PM
- MOHAMMED FARHAN KHAN said...
gr88 ...interview pe interview....how was karan thappar one ?
- August 20, 2009 at 10:35 PM
- Dyslexicon said...
Isn't God everywhere, why shouldn't so be his devotee? And to pray one doesn't need to be clad in Dior and catwalk in stilettos, it's alright to be tied in a humble robe & move amateurishly. Nor does it matter to be 'besur' as long as one is 'sur' and not 'asur'.
A "satvik" mind is all encompassing with wide horizon - so more "stavik" food for "satvik" thought - love thy neighbor, all (don't worry I'm not moving into your beighborhood ;-).
Iskon view on other religion (as told by a friend) - "All rivers merge into the ocean".
Take care & get well soon from whatever little virus is doing to you ! - August 21, 2009 at 12:27 AM
- Theyoginme said...
Shobhaa hope you feel better..I am getting into Mumbai 23rd and hoping to avoid the you know what virus.
- August 21, 2009 at 3:10 AM
- Unknown said...
I am rather amused by HRHK devotees rather than ashmed.
I am ashamed when our hero, heroine start singing and exercising)dancing) in our amateurish movies.
I am ashamed when slums greet us when ever we land in Mumbai.
And I am ashamed of many more things than a ridiculous looking devotee. - August 21, 2009 at 6:52 AM
- Unknown said...
i say ban all ugly, ill-clad people from appearing in public! make ritu kumar creations and sabyasachi offerings absolutely 'de riguer'. only rajneesh devotees with all that oomph, drugs-inspired swaying and melodic chants in operatic voices, please! i don't know how complete strangers and foreigners can follow a religion that is alien to them. i wonder what the vatican thinks of indian christians and mecca think of our muslims! they must surely cringe too at cacophonic screechings of their hyms and quranic readings. next time i am at any place of worship, i will be your self-appointed Beauty Police, i promise to tar and feather all ugly devotees. i am always willing to do my bit to make this world a better place.
- August 21, 2009 at 10:15 AM
- Unknown said...
gora hizras dancing up and down.
This reminds of our stars doing ridiculous dance steps to ridiculous songs on foreign shores while the bemused foreigners look on. The dresses they wear and the expressions they wear! - August 21, 2009 at 10:32 AM
I wish tv interview on the same ghasaa peeta topic ( srk and his outburst) will be not replied with diplomatic answers.
And I have a question :
Is SRK obsessed with publicity ??? - August 21, 2009 at 10:49 AM
- Unknown said...
Hi Shobha,
I completely agree with you as for the actions of so called devotees of Krishna from ISKON. Why do we need to show off in public and ask for donations??? Well its been happening everywhere and in all walks of life.
Hope we can keep ourselves better in this season of Flu.
Keep a good health.
email@example.com - August 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM
"( poor Krishna! ). What can one do with this embarrassment?"
Lolz... I can totally imagine this :P
"another tv interview on the same ghasaa peeta topic ( srk and his outburst)"
so...is it that sometimes you also don't like what you 'have to' do as a part of your 'work' ? Interesting.
I'm glad to see that you manage to post regularly on your blog... which somehow I can't do even after being totally 'vella' these days. - August 21, 2009 at 11:31 AM
- Sandeep Lodha said...
I understand that this is your space and you are in titled to voice you views. What can be music to you ears might not be to others, similarly embarrassment to you might be pride to others. We treat Spirituality as a la carte menu, what suits us is really good and we try to see that others also see those points and what we see a ugly we want others to also perceive in the same fashion. People say that "Gita" has voice of lord Krishna and still say that they do not agree with certain points in "Bhagwat Gita", what a confused minds we are.
I am a regular reader of your blog and this one some how got me to comment. Take care. - August 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM
- sanju ayyar said...
Shobhaa, I bet you can't extend your Shravan by another month.
Have some pity on the poor fishermen who'll be bringing in batches of fresh catch from the ocean everyday in the hope that Shravan's ending and a certain Ms. De living in Colaba is salivating at the very thought!
PS: Sorry if I sounded cynical, I was just wanting to throw a challenge at you :-) - August 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM
- Harish said...
You never end up with your foot in mouth, but people fail to reason with you, so often that I wonder why?? Yours was just an observation… and had nothing to do with religion as such, but the way it's expressed.
Yes, there is a certain way that a sari is draped; there is a certain code of conduct that we need to follow when you represent a religion or a belief so profoundly. It shouldn't be done in a way that it irks people against it. Looking at it from your eyes, I am sure it would have looked like a big circus. Speaking about the attire, it takes the conviction of a Chidambaram Madrasi and the sauveness of Sonia Italiana to put the Indian attire of Mundu and Sari on the world map. No better mascot than them ever. The goras could have walked in their skirts and frocks and yet be seen as religious. Why "look" forced, odd and OTT. If they wanted to wear a sari, let them by all means… but if they know the right way as the occasion and the body that they are representing is so revered. If they wanted to experiment, they should take part in a fancy dress competition, not a rally for funds.
Diverting to another issue, I believe Religion has to be backed with sagacity. It's not just HRHK or any other body that's singled out, but I dislike any kind of extremism with no rationality. And who said religion and society is a body that is stagnant? It for me is an evolving phenomenon that mutates itself to ensure wellness with the times. We wouldn't dare wear a mundu if I don't know how to wear it right. I have been reprimanded many times for my revolt against bursting of crackers, or loud music during religious fests. This kind of luridness and blind faith has chagrined me enough.
Its funny that people Miss the heart of the matter, and everything is a matter that they take to heart.
Flu?? Take care de.
And the interview. Yes now I am sick and tired about being sick and tired about SRK. What clevar PR of My Name Is Khan.
I am sure yours will be an ekdam phataka interview. Itna, ke SRK hill jaayega, and your name will be deleted from the guest list of the next season of koffee with karan. Lol. - August 21, 2009 at 1:58 PM
How you spoke my mind. These Devi Dasis and Dasas are making a tasteless ostentation of otherwise so good culture. Its a sheer mockery. And to my horror I saw a group of around hundered devotees in Iskon Chandigarh listening to Srimadbhagwatam (of course Iskon version of it) through the holy mouth of some gora angrez who barely could speak sanskrit properly. And if that wasn't enough they were also asking him about life and peace and how should one worship Krishna. I mean come on, Hinduism is as you feel you want to worship or for that matter not worship at all, but these imbeciles are forcing their version of Krishna on to you and expect you to forsake all the other deities. They must have a kick or two, only if I could. This was my first reading of your blog post and I must say that indeed is 'Politically Incorrect'.
- August 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM
- parwatisingari said...
don't worry about the sari, shobha, we mess up western wear enough.
krishna, is a wily one, he'll handle his devotees.
For those who want to know Hinduism refer them Vama Shastri(David Frawley) you have redeemed yourself from the sense of shame.
enjoy yourself - August 21, 2009 at 6:12 PM
- NG said...
cant wait to see u in Dior... what is it ?
- August 21, 2009 at 8:20 PM
- Raj said...
Lets give peace a chance.
I don't think these HRHKs do any harm. I don't know about those in Prague or other countries, but back here in India, I came across a couple of them and was shocked to know that they were highly educated. Yes, IIT gold medalists !
Why in the world would they leave fat salaries and dizzy career options to pursue a life style of sheer abstinence? Not unless they find a higher peace, I believe.
About those in other countries, the name of God (Krishna is universal, remember?) would surely have made a great impact to their crazy don't-know-what-to-do lives. No wonder they dance, without abandon. For Krishna.
Shobha, we must realize that there is a higher purpose to life. The materialistic lives that most of us live surely doesn't take anyone anywhere.
Possibly these people are enjoying a higher taste that they want to share. - August 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM
- चंद्रमौलेश्वर प्रसाद said...
"They are so 'besura', one cringes at the sounds they create. "
It is the bhakti that is important not the sur.. sur naa saje kya gaaon main..? - August 22, 2009 at 9:55 PM
- Sidhusaaheb said...
Well, here's a gora bhakt, who isn't besura at all, or so I think, at least. :D
'Njoy! - August 23, 2009 at 3:11 AM
they are trying to evolve into something else so why not let them they will learn sooner or later.
- August 23, 2009 at 5:36 PM
- Unknown said...
Hi Shobha, I am a regular follower of your Monday coloumn in Bombat times and have read quite a few of your books (reading superstar india)......wanted to check with you if you are on twitter or not....if not please join in.....people would love to see you tweeting.
- August 23, 2009 at 9:31 PM
True. I;ve closely seen the way ISKCON works during my stay in Toronto.
I'm pretty amazed at there ability to frequently organize and manage mega events in which people come together to perform some meaningless activities and intently listen to some dull and boring discourses on the same ol' chewed cud - August 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM
- Latha said...
Yes I know a couple of them too - IT buffs, rather IIT geeks who made it to the top in the Silicon valley of the US & are into Hare Rama....
There is something in it that we don't know. Better not to criticise them !
BTW SS...are you Salman Salim ... by any chance ? - August 24, 2009 at 8:23 PM
- AMIT said...
Great post from you love to read ur blog.
Web hosting india - August 24, 2009 at 10:58 PM
- Gauranga Prasad Das said...
The sublime message of lord even if not presented with a gaudy or suave look is always glorified by those who are sincere and honest. People who are envious and demoniac and trying to be perfectionist will always find faults everywhere, criticize everything. They will not mind glorifying the vulgar display of obscenity if that is done in a sophisticated way. Just because the devotees of the Lord are simply interested in spreading His glories the Lord is very much pleased with them. A devotee tries to be a person of essence not a show bottle stuff. Shoba has used very offensive language here for our western devotees not knowing her future where she is going to be. I hope Krishna forgives her for her offense.
- August 30, 2009 at 11:50 AM
- Kiran said...
Hi Shoba,
This blog is not giving any shoba to you.
Those devotees are giving Krishna's mercy to all.They are distributing Prasadam.
You could see the saree but you could not see the devotion in them,
You could felt the sound "besura",
could not hear the love in those songs...
You are spiritually blind and dump also.
Let me tell you the late George Harrison (lead guitarist the Beatles)was part of this group only.
If you have little time from your dirty work then listen "My sweet Lord by- George Harrison which He sang in one concert in bangladesh in charity with Indian Sitarist RaviShankarji"
I know you won't.
If you would have felt that they didn't wear saree properly then why didnt you help them to wear proprly. Did you feel ashame of saree in Western country??
You pretend to be spiritual by fasting for Shravan month and broke it with non-veg...How chip are you? And then criticizing devotees. cheee..
They are wearing Saree to cover their body.That is indian culture they are following nicely. But here we have some "so called celerities" wearing saree to attract males by showing their armpits and bellies etc etc.
They are following the Indian culture by following our Vedas but here you spoiling our young generation by your non-sense writings.
They were jumping up and down for Pleasure of the lord. For the Lord they are dancing and not dancing in clubs with wine in other hand.
It is similar to our "Pandarpur Vaari" in Maharashtra.
You felt embarrassment...
But We are feeling embarrassing because you are Indian woman. And dosen't respect Indian culture.
Sorry to use these words but Saint Tukaram says, you should give whatever possible in charity to right person and you should also protest the person who criticises the Lord and His devotees.
May Krishna forgives you... - August 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM
- Unknown said...
Hi Shoba,
As a Indian I respect every religion and culture.
I pity YOU and some fools who are FOLLOWING YOU.It is not befitting
you that you are a so called "Writer" and you are an Indian.
These foreign devotees know both western
and Indian culture.Giving up their polluted western culture they have accepted this pure Indian culture.
Now you are chewing that western culture that these devotees have chewed and gave up..."Chewing the chewed one".
By wearing a saree and flaunting like a
western culture this shows your character.
It is said that "knowledge without proper CHARACTER is useless"
Then what to speak about the person who acquires such knowledge and just writing stack of futile books posing to be a great writer and spreading sectarianism around the world on basis of caste,creed,faith,colour etc.
Learn from these devotees,they know more
than you about Indian culture.First inculcate Indian values, then try to write.
I am sure these devotees might have forgiven you as they have learnt the art of "Forgiveness". - August 31, 2009 at 3:06 PM
- Unknown said...
Ya, they are quite an embarrassment on the streets but boy what amazing food! yummmmm and cheap. I would often go to the lone ISKCON temple in Oslo to buy their thali. That yummy veg thali would last me for 2 meals.
- September 1, 2009 at 1:05 PM
- Ramkumar Badugu said...
Hi... SHOBHAA,
there i a saying that "befere you raise finger on someone first see what is there on you".You wrote so negetively about devotees, have you ever temple & saw them.
How you dress is that INDIAN culture(sleeveless sarees).
If their voice is 'besura' why your first husband left you with Six children? 'BESHAKHAL'(UGLY) by face & ideology.
I am sorry to your ancesters even though they are from Saraswat Brahmin family but they failed to teach true indian culture.
On whom you are comments ,they are doing the same thing what you grandparents did.
What do you call them as "conveying bliss", what do you convey "The Sexes" of the magazine "The Week".
there are lots more to say but i feel petty on my indian culture that they say sadhus & devotees hijras.i spit on the face those who supported you against indian culture.
i would have been keep quiet but there is someone called GOD who will see everyone.because of these nature of envy youre now in distress taking sleeping pills every night. good bye .ohhhh ...it's bad bye - September 2, 2009 at 1:29 PM
- Sundar. said...
a mind game to you shoba.next time when your mind wishes to opine on something,please imagine your mind being hollow for 10 seconds and count at the same time till 10.ThiS act of feeling "empty" at "opinion" occassions could fill your mind with wisdom and thus able to make the right path always.i wish that you forgive yourself for what has been told about iskon and the devotees.
- September 28, 2009 at 7:55 PM
- Unknown said...
nice picture and post ....
Work from home India - November 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM
- Payal said...
Its a shame to see that one of India's most renowned authors is so opinionated and does not even take the time to do her bit of research before imposing a stamp on what maybe hundreds of thousands of ISKCON devotees around the world. If these goras have dedicated their lives to a faith, to an extent that they have given up their wild lifestyles, habits and taken the effort to learn the Bhagavad Gita, (we all know how difficult it is to just learn a new language) then you need to credit them for putting some thought behind taking such life changing actions. And not insult them and try to stop other inquisitive people from learning about them. This just exhibits your ignorance and pure ignorance & blind judgement are the first signs of an incompetent writer!
- June 2, 2011 at 3:29 PM
- Patel said...
what you feel inside,you will feel same outside.It is not about dress or voice. It is all about love for fellow human being and love for the supreme who is present in each of us.chant for few minutes without caring for anything and you will feel better.
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There was no majority apparent for any particular outcome, and many doubts were expressed by justices about the arguments advanced by lawyers for the opponents of gay marriage in California, by the supporters and by the Obama administration, which is in favor of same-sex marriage rights. The administration's entry into the case followed President Barack Obama's declaration of support for gay marriage.
On the one hand, Kennedy acknowledged the recentness of same-sex unions, a point stressed repeatedly by Charles Cooper, the lawyer for the defenders of Proposition 8. Cooper said the court should uphold the ban as a valid expression of the people's will and let the vigorous political debate over gay marriage continue.
But Kennedy pressed him also to address the interests of the estimated 40,000 children in California who have same-sex parents.
"They want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?" Kennedy said.
Yet when Theodore Olson, the lawyer for two same-sex couples, urged the court to support such marriage rights everywhere, Kennedy feared such a ruling would push the court into "uncharted waters." Olson said that the court similarly ventured into the unknown in 1967 when it struck down bans on interracial marriage in 16 states.
Kennedy challenged the accuracy of that comment, noting that other countries had had interracial marriages for hundreds of years.
The justice, whose vote usually decides the closest cases, also made clear he did not like the rationale of the federal appeals court that struck down Proposition 8, even though it cited earlier opinions in favor of gay rights that Kennedy had written.
That appeals court ruling applied only to California, where same-sex couples briefly had the right to marry before the state's voters in November 2008 adopted Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment that defined marriage as the union of a man and a woman.
Several members of the court also were troubled by the Obama administration's main contention that when states offer same-sex couples civil union rights of marriage, as California and eight other states do, they also must allow marriage. The other states are: Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon and Rhode Island.
"So a state that has made considerable progress has to go all the way, but at least the government's position is, if the state has done absolutely nothing at all, then it can do as it will," Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said.
Chief Justice John Roberts questioned whether gay marriage proponents were arguing over a mere label. "Same-sex couples have every other right. It's just about the label," Roberts said.
In the California case, if the court wants to find an exit without making a decision about gay marriage, it has two basic options. It could rule that the opponents have no right, or legal standing, to defend Proposition 8 in court. Such an outcome also would leave in place the trial court decision in favor of the two same-sex couples who sued for the right to marry.
On a practical level, California officials probably would order county clerks across the state to begin issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples, although some more conservative counties might object.
Alternatively, the justices could determine that they should not have agreed to hear the case in the first place, as happens a couple of times a term on average. In that situation, the court issues a one-sentence order dismissing the case "as improvidently granted." The effect of that would be to leave in place the appeals court ruling, which in the case of Proposition 8, applies only to California. The appeals court also voted to strike down the ban, but on somewhat different grounds than the trial court.
Reflecting the high interest in this week's cases, the court released an audio recording of Tuesday's argument shortly after it concluded and plans to the do same Wednesday. Tuesday's audio can be found at: https://tinyurl.com/dxefy2a. The last time the court provided same-day audio recordings was during its consideration of Obama's health care law.
Both sides of marriage question were well represented outside the courthouse. Supporters of gay marriage came with homemade signs including ones that read "a more perfect union" and "love is love."
Among the opponents was retired metal worker Mike Krzywonos, 57, of Pawtucket, R.I. He wore a button that read "marriage 1 man + 1 woman" and said his group represents the "silent majority."
Same-sex marriage is legal in nine states and the District of Columbia. The states are Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, Vermont and Washington.
Thirty states ban same-sex marriage in their constitutions, while ten states bar them under state laws. New Mexico law is silent on the issue.
Polls have shown increasing support in the country for gay marriage. According to a Pew Research Center poll conducted in mid-March, 49 percent of Americans now favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally, with 44 percent opposed.
A good part of the give-and-take Tuesday concerned Cooper's argument that the state has a legitimate interest in limiting marriage to heterosexuals since they have the unique ability to have children.
He and Justice Elena Kagan engaged in a lengthy, sometimes humorous, exchange on the topic.
If a state can use the ability to have children as a reason to prohibit same-sex marriage, what about couples over the age of 55? Kagan asked.
"Your Honor, even with respect to couples over the age of 55, it is very rare that both parties to the couple are infertile," Cooper said.
Kagan cut in: "I can just assure you, if both the woman and the man are over the age of 55, there are not a lot of children coming out of that marriage."
At another point, Justice Antonin Scalia, who has dissented in the court's previous gay rights cases, invoked the well-being of children to bolster Cooper's case.
"If you redefine marriage to include same-sex couples, you must permit adoption by same-sex couples, and there's considerable disagreement among sociologists as to what the consequences of raising a child in a single-sex family, whether that is harmful to the child or not," Scalia said.
The California case was argued 10 years to the day after the court took up a challenge to Texas' anti-sodomy statute. That case ended with a forceful ruling prohibiting states from criminalizing sexual relations between consenting adults.
Kennedy was the author of the decision in Lawrence v. Texas in 2003, and he is being closely watched for how he might vote on the California ban. He cautioned in the Lawrence case that it had nothing to do with gay marriage, but dissenting Justice Scalia predicted the decision would lead to the invalidation of state laws against same-sex marriage.
Kennedy's decision is widely cited in the briefs in support of same-sex unions.
The California couples, Kris Perry and Sandy Stier of Berkeley and Paul Katami and Jeff Zarrillo of Burbank, filed their federal lawsuit in May 2009 to overturn the same-sex marriage ban that voters approved the previous November. The ballot measure halted same-sex unions in California, which began in June 2008 after a ruling from the California Supreme Court.
Roughly 18,000 couples were wed in the nearly five months that same-sex marriage was legal and those marriages remain valid in California.
The case is Hollingsworth v. Perry, 12-144.


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9 Easy Soldering Tips
Soldering is one of those tasks that you either really enjoy or greatly despise; RC maintenance is often like that. Even if you are a nitro guy, soldering comes-up more than you'd think, and if you run electric, soldering is a vital necessity. Most beginners—and some veterans—are intimidated by soldering jobs, but if you keep a few important tips in mind, soldering can be easy and will become something you look forward to, instead of cringe over.
Use a hot iron
Soldering is a lot easier when you start with a hot iron. Avoid using an iron that is less than 40W. Low wattage irons can put your equipment at risk, because holding the iron in place too long, waiting for the solder to melt, can easily damage your components by overheating.
Pick the right tip
There are a number of different soldering iron tips on the market, and they can be used for specific tasks. In general, however, stick with a broad-faced, chisel tip. The extra surface area on the tip will improve the contact surface, allowing for more efficient heat transfer. Unless you are forced to solder in a confined space, avoid fine-tipped irons.
Wipe the tip often
Before you start a new job, dampen a sponge and keep it handy. You should wipe the iron tip with the sponge before you tin a new surface, and wipe it off in between steps. Iron tips accumulate flux, oxidation and old solder quickly, and wiping them off allows for more efficient heat transfer.
Use an iron stand
Even if you don't have a complete soldering station, you should at least purchase a coiled-wire iron stand. This gives you a place to keep a hot iron handy and will prevent you from burning your work bench and even yourself. Lying a hot iron on its side is dangerous and makes it difficult to use.
Score surfaces
Especially if you are soldering on flat surfaces, it is always useful to rough-up (score) the surface with fine-grip sandpaper. Scoring the surface cleans it and increases surface area—both of which aid in making a strong bond and prevent the solder bead from running.
Pre-tin surfaces
Any time you solder one surface to another, "pre-tin" both surfaces with a small amount of solder. When you move-on to binding the surfaces, the tinned areas will melt together much more easily than if one or both of the surfaces are naked.
Use a soldering jig
Although they may look ridiculous, investing in a soldering jig that uses alligator clips and a magnifying lens is a big help, especially when soldering connectors or wires to each other. The jig works as your third and forth hands—an invaluable resource considering that your first and second hands are full of the iron and solder itself.
Flux helps the flow
Most hobby-grade solder is infused with flux—as substance that improves the flow of melting solder. But for heavy-duty jobs with wide-gauged wires, brushing a little extra flux paste onto the surface before starting can help the melted solder flow and its heat remain homogenous.
Do the tug-test when done
When you are done with a job and the surfaces are sufficiently cooled, give the wire a quick, moderate tug. Solder isn't bullet-proof, but a good connection should sustain a few pounds of pressure. If your connection beaks with a slight tug, the bond is bad, and it was just a matter of time before it came loose on its own.
Soldering is an acquired skill, much like trimming a body or gluing tires. The more you practice an acquired skill, the more tips and tricks you will learn by experience. If you are nervous about soldering, try practicing on an old wire, motor or battery first.
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- It all started with a lady named Abeer , originally from Upper Egypt who allegedly converted to Islam who couple of years ago and married a Muslim.
- We found tweets and Facebook status online that Salafists and all Muslims should head to "Marimina" Church in Imbaba because Abeer was abducted by Christians and that Abeer herself called a man named "Abu Yassin" asking for rescue. We are speaking about 8 PM Cairo local time.
- All accusation fingers are pointing to Paltalk chat room owned by someone called Wassem. "I think they mean Wassem Abdullah"
- According to tweeps these twitter accounts "@masrislam" and @emudeer were the ones who started the tweets about Abeer online . It is worth to mention that Essam Mudeer is from Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately this fact makes many activists and Egyptians believe that this clash was planned by the Saudi intelligence and other Gulf intelligence to sabotage our revolution. There are rumors that the Salafists in Egypt are financially supported by huge sum of money from Saudi Arabia.
Misrislam's tweet about Abeer |
- Then we found a protest allegedly made of hundreds of Salafists standing in front of the Church demanding Abeer. A group of their sheikhs went in to the Church to search for the lady but found nothing
- The army came and then things got escalated dramatically when allegedly Molotov cocktails began to be thrown and there was exchange of fire. Some claim that some people living besides the Church "Abeer's Christian family" opened their fire from their rooftop on the army while others say that a Christian from inside the Church shot in the air one shot to scare the people and then the fight started to be violent and armed
- Then there was allegedly an attempt to set the church on fire but the locals from the neighborhood protected it who kept chanting "Muslim , Christian one hand" while some are saying that the place that set on fire was dumpster beside the Church.
Putting down the fire |
- Then suddenly another big church "The virign" in a big main street "Al Wahda-The unity" was set on fire along with shops owned by Christians in the same street.Here is a photo from the church while the fire was being put off.
- These shops were destroyed 'Including a café allegedly owned by the one who open his fire in the Church , here is a video from Sarah Carr showing the Cafe destroyed . It is worth to mention those young men in the cafe do not seem Salafists to me'
- Now some are saying that the Salafists behind this fire while on the other we got eye witnesses who are insisting that the ones who set the Church on fire were thugs from outside Imbaba. The army and CSF used the tear gas grenades to end the clashes but in vain.
CSF soldiers are back after 100 days of absence in Imbaba |
- The curfew is officially imposed and the army supposedly is arresting everybody and will enforce the counter thuggery law immediately asking the public to evacuate the scene. The army is protecting Marimina church. The 777 unit is reportedly there.
Army vehicles in Imbaba |
Now there are important facts worth to be mentioned in our case here :
It is worth to mention that this Abeer's rumor after one hour "not mor ethan 2 hours" from airing Kamilia Shehata's interview on radical Christian Al Hayat where she revealed that she is Christian and not a Muslim and that she is apologizing for all these insults Pope Shnouda III.
It is worth to mention that there was that radical Christian channel called "The road" airing the events live , reportedly the Channel called the Christians in Egypt to have a sit in in front of the American in Embassy in Cairo demanding international protection to Christians in Egypt !! For the first time since the Egyptian revolution I have heard Morris Sadek today asking the U.S. to interfere. This is so stupid and will make things even worse. Both Christian Al Hayat and the road are reportedly broadcasted from outside , they are not considered Egyptian but rather American.
It is worth to mention that journalist Sarah Carr saw a former SS officer in the scene.Here is his picture from previous protest in 2010
It is worth to mention that the army and police are under huge fire for being so soft in dealing with the matter especially the police. People believe that the army could have ended this matter in couple of minutes. Of course we are not talking here about political activists protest that could be dispersed in no time by the army but we are speaking about tackling clashes in a populated area based on religious tensions and rumors , things could have gone disastrously if excessive violence was used in Imbaba like what happened on April 9th at Tahrir. I am not defending the army because it has got in share in responsibility for what happened but one must be fair. Dispersing these clashes should have been the sole mission of the bloody lazy police force.
It is worth to mention that this is the first real test for the SCAF ultimatum last week that it will not stand still against any attempt targeting the unity of Egypt and we not speaking here about Al Nor mosque but we are speaking about sectarian division.
It is worth to mention that this is Imbaba ,the choice of this place was not random again. If you check in all sectarian tensions locations in Egypt you will find them in high populated working class areas whether in urban or rural areas where rumors and lies can turn solid facts in no time. No one denies that light weapons in Imbaba are common like any populated area in Cairo and fights can turn very ugly to the level that police used excessive violence there.The new thing in our case here is the use of guns from the people there , of course during the revolution guns have become so easy to purchase.
It is worth to mention that this comes before hours from the regional visit of PM Sharaf to UAE and Bahrain.
It is worth to mention that what happened in Imbaba took place after El Adly's historical jail sentence and the start of Gamal Mubarak's interrogation. It is worth to mention all medical sources say that Hosni Mubarak himself does not complain from anything physically or psychologically to prevent him from being transfer to Tora to have his 15 days in jail pending investigation.
It is worth to mention that the political rights law will be announced this week.
Story is developing.
The latest updates @1:23 PM :
- The death toll increased to 12 while the injured have reached to 212 according to official numbers !!
- The army has arrested 190 last night during the curfew and these 190 will be prosecuted in front of the military courts according to its message no.48 issued on the Facebook.
- The army is imposed a full curfew on that area in Imbaba till 12 PM tomorrow.
- The internet and mobile phones are reportedly cut in certain areas in Imbaba !!
- No one called Abeer was found !!
- Group of angry protesters is protesting near the American embassy. They want the U.S. to force the army to protect the churches. This is so wrong despite I understand the anger of Christians , this will give a golden opportunity for the radicals.
- PM Essam Sharaf has adjourned his tour in the Gulf and is going to have a press conference soon after an urgent meeting for the cabinet.
- Minister of interior Eissawy visited the Marimina church this morning.
- It is worth to mention that presidential candidate Hamdeen Sabhi was the first to address the matter from 10 hours ago on twitter condemning the attack and calling for restrict penalties to those inciting hate and are responsible for the attack.
- Presidential candidate Mohamed ElBaradei who is currently in Portugal has addressed the matter on twitter from one hour ago calling for urgent measures to combat religious extremism before Egypt slips to the unknown.
- Presidential candidates Amr Moussa and Hisham El-Bastwesy have not addressed the matter yet. "El-Bastwesy does not update his twitter account"
- Presidential candidate Magdy Hatata has issued a statement on Facebook about the matter where he considered this clash as an attempt "last battle" of certain parties in Egypt to hit the revolution. He is asking the government to apply the emergency law and to send those behind the attack to the military tribunal.
- The El Adl party has issued a reasonable balanced serious statement about the attack.
- The minister of justice spoke in a press conference on behalf of the PM and said that the terrorism law will be applied starting from today and the cabinet is in a meeting session. The PM will address the nation supposedly soon.
- A group of Christian protesters is currently having a protest in front of the High supreme court in Cairo and then will head to the Egyptian radio and TV building to have a sit in.
- Things in Imbaba seemed to be electrifying. There are flyers distributed in churches there saying that Christians will protect the churches with their souls.
I will eat whoever comes closer to my church |
- The injured number has increased in to 232. The injured and dead include Muslim and Christian alike.
- A big group of Christians along with some Muslims are having a sit in front of the Egyptian TV building Masepro. From couple of hours ago there were clashes between some thugs 'according to eye witnesses' and the protesters. There was stone throwing and the army had to bring more vehicles to the army. According to eye witnesses the angry protest included chants and slogans like "Muslim and Christian one hand" and for anti field marshal Tantawy chants as well.
- A group of Salafi sheikhs issued a statement denouncing the attack and also at the same time rejecting these accusations to the Safali groups and demanding a full search for weapons in mosques and churches alike. The Salafi statement denounced the call of some Christian to foreign protection. Among those who signed the statement "Mohamed Hassan and Safwat Hegazy". It is worth to mention that the Salafists do not have a united body like for example the Muslim brotherhood or the Islamic groups. It is more of Sheikhs and their disciples
- Amr Moussa has at last addressed the matter from short time ago on Twitter.


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Alice and Bob in I/O Land
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Alice, Bob And Their Race To Disk-Haven
Alice's Adventures In Wonderland - A Partial Recap
Alice's Adventures In Wonderland - A Partial Recap - Cont.
Meet Alice - the 16KB "write" that could
Alice goes down the Rabbit hole
Alice wants to pass through the small door
Little Alice joins the (page-cached) Caucus race
Little Alice going down the (disk) elevator
Little Alice grows again - the I/O scheduler dance
Example of "iostat" output
Big Alice plays the disk Crockett - the basic elevator algorithm
Original Alice Stands to Trial - ERR_SUCCESS or ERR_IO?
Mad Hatter testifies - the small bio-s joining in
Original Alice wakes up from her write-full dream
Ecila - the "read" that came back from the cold
Through The Looking Glass - A Partial Recap
Through The Looking Glass - A Partial Recap - Cont.
Ecila passes through the looking glass
Ecila meets the red queen and (page-cachely) runs nowhere
What's in my cache?
Ecila meets the White Knight and goes to gather herself
Ecila and Humpty Dumpty have a great elevated fall
Ecila meets Twiddledee and Twiddledum - and sends them ahead
Tuning device-level read-ahead
Ecila comes back through the mirror
File-Systems and meta-data I/O
Directory hierarchy traversal and the dentry cache
Checking dentry-cache statistics
File control blocks and the inode cache
Checking inode-cache statistics
File Blocks And File Extents
File Blocks And File Extents - Cont.
File-System Journaling
Journaling I/O
Bob - the raw-"write"-er
Bob goes into I/O land
To cache or not to cache - that is the D(irect) question
What if Bob was sync(ing) harder?
boB - the reader from the "raw"
boB goes catching some rie
boB the cached Vs. boB the direct
Alice and Bob go picking an elevator
The "noop" elevator - quick and noisy
The "CFQ" elevator - "no room! no room! (at the tea party)"
I/O Priority Using "ionice"
The "deadline" elevator - "I'm late! I'm late! I'm late!"
The "anticipatory" elevator - "If you build it - they will come"
I/O and the court of law
Cartman (from South-park) looking for his father...
Why is it so hard to perform per-process I/O accounting
/proc/<pid>/io and iotop
The Linux I/O law of fatherhood
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I discovered quinoa shortly after I started food blogging and I have been hooked ever since. Not only is quinoa good for you but I really enjoy its texture so I keep coming back for more. At first I was using it primarily in salads and then I started using it in soups and stews and then I discovered that it could be used in sweet dishes such as porridge and that just blew my mind! I tried a quinoa porridge right away and it was good! Since then it has been one of my staple breakfasts for the colder days of the year. Even though the days are finally staring to warm up, I came across some blueberries in the grocery store and I knew that I would be doing at least one more quinoa porridge before it got too warm. One of my favourite porridge flavour combinations is blueberries, maple and pecans and it goes great in porridges so I did just that a blueberry quinoa porridge sweetened with maple syrup and topped with some toasted pecans.
Quinoa Porridge with Blueberries and Pecans
Quinoa served as a breakfast porridge with blueberries, pecans and a touch of maple syrup.
- 1/2 cup quinoa, rinsed
- 1 1/2 cup milk
- 1/4 teaspoon vanilla extract
- 1 dash cinnamon
- 1 tablespoon maple syrup
- 1/4 cup blueberries
- 1 tablespoon pecans, toasted and coarsley chopped
- Bring the quinoa, milk, vanilla, cinnamon and maple syrup to a boil, reduce the heat and simmer, covered until tender, about 15 minutes.
- Mix in the blueberries, add more mil to taste and top with the pecans.