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Yesterday, I got a voicemail from a woman I met in AA 2 years ago. She and I started going to meetings at about the same time and saw eachother a couple times a week in the beginning. I never became friends with her, but was aware that she had her share of ups and downs and relapses for a while. I was surprised she called, but it turns out she was calling for a favor related to her new job-not AA related. Anyway, we chatted for a minute and she noted that she hadn't seen me in a long time. "Are you going to different meetings?" I told her I wasn't doing AA anymore. The first question, of course, was "Are you drinking?" No, I told her, I'm not. Then, "You're ok without AA?! You can do it without meetings?!" I just left it as, yeah, I'm better off without AA. I'm good. It struck me that a lot of people really don't believe that they-or anyone-can remain sober without AA. Of course, I knew this. It's just been a while since I had a real, live person react with such disbelief to this simple truth: you can be ok without AA. It's astounding, really, that the idea that one must stay very close to AA to have any hope of staying off the sauce. I know where it comes from; I know the people who taught her this. They told me the same thing. It's unfortunate that the notion of not drinking means going to AA meetings is the only message that a lot of folks pass on. Meeting makers make it, AA is my medicine, I need to be here... I hope it works for her and she continues to benefit as much as she can. I hope, also, that she takes the message that you don't need AA to be ok to heart.
they are full of lots of bad and strange ideas.
When I read your writing, I always hope that mine will one day drip with the same eloquence.
Of course people can be okay without AA, especially if they'be been able to move past the drink and change the mindset. I think that is possible for me. I just wish it weren't necessary due to lacik of acceptable meetings.
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I also hope it keeps on working for the people that are in there. When I said my goodbyes to my group a couple of nights ago, I didn't feel the need to attack aa - some truly believe they will die without it. I did ask one old bloke I'm particularly fond of, if he truly needed all the meetings he attends. He responded that it's his primary social outlet; that he's shy; not good at making friends etc. Another member, who spends a lot of time talking in hospitals and prisons also wished me well. Aa gives him status and a reason for living - he truly does believe he is doing god's work. He didn't say it, but I know from his shares that he believes I will fail. He couldn't help but refer to my 'pride' regarding my position on powerlessness and the god concept. Yep, I'm obviously doing way too much thinking! My ex-sponsor asked the very appropriate question of what I was going to replace aa with. I responded mindfulness, meditation and yoga. If I hadn't discovered these methods of feeling calm, I don't believe I would be able to make the transition.
"My ex-sponsor asked the very appropriate question of what I was going to replace aa with".
They really do not have a clue, do they?
"I responded mindfulness, meditation and yoga".
Sounds boring as fuck, but good luck, if that is what you are into.
"He didn't say it, but I know from his shares that he believes I will fail".
Without a doubt, the true believers are completely convinced that they have something special going for them in that God-forsaken 12 step program. Hard to come to grips with the fact that they have all been duped by a group of 1930's religious fanatics.
Every one of them.
"Hard to come to grips with the fact that they have all been duped by a group of 1930's religious fanatics.
Every one of them."
Including you, for . . . how many decades?
"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks."
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
Damn you're good. I think you should hang out here all day to keep em straight. You will be the guardian of the Orange Forum. FOREVER. Damn she's good.
OK. Good idea.
"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks."
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
that has been able to remain "off the sauce" without AA. judge becker has admitted to no AA meetings in over 20+ years, if he can be believed.
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I think that for the AA that is honestly happy and trying to work the program, remaining sober, the truth could possibly shock and initially hurt them. That isn't to say that they should stay sheltered or that people should keep it from them. I'd just be leery of my approach because I remember what it was like for me. I was already doubtful and uncomfortable, feeling as if it didn't help me an ounce - and I was furious at the start. . At the same time, I feel a responsibility to warn others. Society deserves and needs to know the truth. People don't need to sell their souls and be a completely different person to heal.
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The AA who is honestly happy and trying to work the program, remaining sober has his own truth: that that particular day is a good day and that he is making some kind of progress. Your need to "warn others" does not supersede the AA member's need to follow his conscience and make his own choices. If society deserves to "know the truth" (read: your truth) then address society as a unit. To track down individuals who are pleased with the decisions they're making and contaminate their freedom with your own experiences is tantamount to "prospect hunting". Your cause should never be presented in that way.
"The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks."
― Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian
And they get so angry when their truth is not your experience...
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I was actually trying to an express a variation of what you said.
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We tried to demonstrate this to her when she wanted to go to the halfway house or whatever it was. People might be doing just fine there.
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95% of the people are OK without AA, if you believe what is said. So what's the point of warning them? And do you really care about the other 5%?
Of course Alkie. I care about anyone in XA that is there because they have to be and think it's their only hope. It's no fun feeling trapped and as much as it can make a person angry upon finding out they joined a religion instead of support group, it can be hard to get away. The transition is often difficult.
Supposing AA were exposed for the lying and deceiving, dangerous religious cult that it is and it completely fell apart, I certainly hope that there would be some kind of programs for the people that would be stuck with nothing. Hypothetically of course, I really don't think that will happen. But I can hope.
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I'm pathetic and lost. No one cares.
Dan :( Please don't say that. Or are you kidding and mocking AA? That's how the program wants people to feel so that they will depend on the fellowship. It's a trap, they instill the bombardment of emotions into onto every addict and then offer the keys to happiness. Scoundrels.
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Thanks patti.
avogadno, yes I do feel that way. It comes and goes. My self esteem has been low since rehab, but "they" tell me I can't put the blame on AA for that. I feel better when I make a list of the good things like a stable home, partner...
My significant other is jealous and possessive so that, in a way helped me keep a distance from the AA control freaks. Also, a jealous partner won't allow me to get a sponsor. That is a good thing.
Thanks for responding to my rant patti and avogadno.
My self esteem hit rock bottom for the first few months post rehab. I didn't think it would get better, but I'm finally feeling like my old self because I can finally think for myself and I'm no longer attending AA. I was having nightmares, flashbacks, my hair fell out, my eating disorder flared back up, suicidal thoughts, etc. It was one of the worst things I've ever been through. I think it was a mix of having to pretend that the program was really working when I knew damn well it wasn't, being forced to attend AA, not being able to express how I was really feeling, and abusive nurses to list a few things.
It really seems awful right now, but in time it WILL get better. It took a few months for me. I wish I had have went to see a therapist or someone to help deprogram me or something during those few months, it would have helped. Traumatic is exactly how the whole ordeal feels.
Byegood, I went through the same thing. They really know how to make you feel worthless. Even when it started to get better, I would wake up from dreams about those abusive damned nurses! (Though that did finally go away.)
The nurses were AWFUL. I had one that was hell bent on going out of her way to be a bitch to me, and she wasn't even one of my nurses. Another one SCREAMED at me when they changed my meds without telling me and I was looking at them because I didn't know WTF they were. They pulled that kinda crap at the place I was at (switching meds without telling us) and it made me SO MAD. I dunno why they think "beating down the ego" is good for someone.
Why not focus on the positive aspects and build on that instead of dwelling on the negatives? All I got out of treatment was that I was a terrible person and needed to cut out everyone from my life and go to AA. I read back old journal entries from when I was in treatment and post-treatment and wow was I ever mentally unstable and really hating myself. I lied SO bad on the survey I filled out when I was discharged "on a scale of 1-10 do I feel better about myself" I rated an 8, when I really wanted to give it a 0, but you NEVER question the program. NEVER especially when I wanted OUT
expressing how you feel with out AA restraints is healthy & also you have the right to think, feel & express what you are feeling, that's not ranting. What Avo said is the truth, that is exactly what AA does & it is underhanded & unethical to say the least. AA has their own language, words & each one has a mission, "rant" from AA is belittling & intended to control what people say, do or feel, just another craziness from the mad rooms AA is depressing & negative & does cause low self esteem. It's up to you how you feel & what may be causing your low self esteem, please don't let anyone else tell you how to feel, what to blame, trust your self DD, you are on your side. hope you feel better.
Dan, I'm so sorry you're suffering like that. It sounds like you feel a bit trapped, eh?
my self esteem was really low, because so many people were treating me badly & I was beat up & felt worthless. lots of days it seemed like no one, no one even treated me like I was a person. the best thing I ever did was leave, I went through a lot of stuff, anger, feeling battered, then I got quiet, no one telling me what to do, think or feel. went to therapy & one of the first things my therapist said was "i'm not going to tell you how you feel about anything is wrong", what a relief. no more "you should do, think or feel this, that, the other thing, peace & quiet. Due to the quiet I got better, I felt better, my rawness & pain from life & AA slowly started to heal. With it my esteem returned, I felt better. there is a lot to be said for quiet, you begin to trust your self & become your own person & it's a real good thing. I do think you will feel better, it's likely to happen.
Dan, have you visited the other place that is "safe" to chat? PM if you want the link. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you open up all your feelings for exposure. Patti mentioned that it is healthy to get the AA frustrations out. A more secure environment where you aren't opening up yourself to AA criticism could be value. I occasionally "snap" and say more personal things about my experience here because I get angry. I haven't been bombarded for it thankfully. But I'm not too comfortable saying all of it just because there are some cruel people out there. It sounds like your partner is aware of how intrusive the AA can be. It's a shame that some will take advantage of that. Pathetic, really.
Remember the decollette yapping, that should make you laugh a bit :-)
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Hahahaha! Jamie and her decollette is funny! I think it was also funny when you said that it was officially the strangest higher power you have heard of.
Jamie is like Karin from the show Will and Grace only she has been "stripped of all drugs and alcohol".
She likes the word strip.
This is interesting. When my husband was protective of me, the Antis made it out as if he was some sort of contolling chauvenist and I was some simpering wife.
Why won't your partner "allow" you to get a sponsor? I know plenty of non-gay men that sponsor gay men, so your partner wouldn't have to feel insecure.
Gratitude lists are a great tool AA gave me.
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1.I never wanted a spnonor anyway. They can be bad news.
2.My partner has been with me before during and after AA.
3.When Clara put the word- allow- in quotes, it makes me feel defensive.
JR Harris, would you comment on the first part of Clara's comment above?
(I don't feel mentally competent)
I think the problem with Clara's partner is that she was 13th stepped?
I'll answer this for you since I am JR's favorite subject to rewrite posts and it is responsible for a great deal of diss-information. He wouldn't be able to refrain from responding about me even though he rarely knows enough to comment.
I was not 13 stepped at all. My sponsor and his wife had been family friends for over 2 decades.
Don't feel defensive as that isn't how I intend it. I was pointing out a double standard.
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Interesting, did your Sponsor who had known you for "2 decades" prospect hunt you for Alcoholics Anonymous because of your 6 pack binges?
I won't bother to point out the inconsistencies of your age, minus 20 years and your sponsors estimated marriage time and how they align with the time line you have given us so far. I must admit, you are getting much better at not pushing the believability envelope. Please don't ever testify at a court trial, they will tear you to shreds if you try to "fake it, until you make it."
"Tradition 10 - Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the AA name ought never be drawn into public controversy." Please follow orders from the Interchurch Center if you are an AA member and don't comment.
gigi, I'm sorry you're feeling that way too. I wish there was something I could do...
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I like to read all of your comments gigi, thanks for being on this site. I have the mood swings too. Seems like today might be one of the manic ones. (in a good decollette way avogadno).
Dan, you may feel lost right now, but you're certainly not pathetic. And I care.
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You are right causeandeffect, those feelings do come and go. Thank you so much for the comment, I enjoy all of the nice people on this site.
avogadno says: "... I certainly hope that there would be some kind of programs for the people that would be stuck with nothing." And that is the reason I signed-up on OPF. What do people do when they leave AA? Been hard to find that elusive "grain of salt" lost in the midst of the goofy blogs and forums. Or is it lost shaker of salt as Jimmy put it?
What do you do, becker, after leaving AA?
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Even the AA that is happy & working the program is dangerous. The psycho babble of AA & passing it on to others is dangerous. The mind games, the contradictions, the circular speaking, the double standards are all unhealthy & unhealthy is never good for anyone, but especially precarious for a battered addict. It's just never a good thing for unqualified people to be doing of all things unqualified psychiatry. I wouldn't let an a roofer work on my electricity in my house, I wouldn't let an AA member work on my mental health. No one should & that they are doing this to people is unethical, one & the same with Wilson, indecent, uneducated, unqualified & insane. Wilson, who was certifiably insane, creates a psychiatric evaluation & program for people, he couldn't be more unqualified & it is administered by brain washed members who do not even have the ability to think for self or as an adult & be their own person. Unfortunately those in AA have lost the ability to comprehend that one can heal thyself & can stand on their own. What's crazier & more contradictory than co-dependents anonymous, an AA spin off, when AA itself is all about co-dependency. Co-dependency is an AA word, diagnosis & another unqualified diagnosed "sickness", it's just all so crazy & unhealthy & a blight.
Your entire comment almost perfectly sums up how I feel, spot on. It took me a little while before I could begin to think for myself and stop believing the crap I was being told.
"I wouldn't let an AA member work on my mental health"
I wrote before about a man I met outside of AA, but who was a member of AA (which I didn't know at the time), and he was very mentally disturbed obviously I later realized, and the LAST person qualified to work on anyone's mental health. He kept speaking in their thought stopping slogans and jargon, and kept trying to push AA on me even though I told him how much AA bothered me and disturbed me and that I was an Atheist which is one of the biggest reasons I couldn't "get the program".
He kept trying to give me the 24 hr chips, and at one point pulled out this cross with the serenity prayer and two praying hands on it...Not only did I feel like my beliefs were being violated, I was HORRIFIED that someone would do that after I mentioned I am an Atheist. I do not like religious imagery, it gives me the willies.
Someone should stop at "I had a traumatic experience with treatment and AA and that's why I stopped going" instead of pushing it on them. I'm related to Jehovah's Witnesses, and few people would deny they are a cult, and the similarities between AA and JW's are astounding.
It's because anyone who can get sober without AA was never a "true alcoholic" to begin with...apparently, according to AA.
Okay, fine. So what about those who cannot get sober on their own?
There should be other options just as available as AA , having a rough time myself doing it on my own, there are many who can do it on their own, but many still need support and AA just doesn't work for them. If AA works for someone great, but I REFUSE to walk through those doors of AA ever again, and SMART recovery is no where near where I live.
Bye, that is the problem. You can start a SMART group. The information is easily downloaded.
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So it's all available ONLINE...not where I can go and sit face to face and be with real live people who are dealing with similar situations. The closest SMART meeting is 8 hrs away, and even though "Online and downloadable material" seems like the next best thing...it's not the same as having one on one contact with peers, you should know that. And if you mean starting up my own group, easier said than done. I'd prefer a group that was already well established or even had 5-10 members. I dunno, I suppose it's worth looking into, I actually had no idea you could start your own SR group.
I DO know that. But that is what they say. They make a big deal about online meetings on OPF despite AA having online meetings since 1986. For me, I prefer f2f. It was important in early sobriety to get up, get ready, look nice, go to the meeting, go to lunch afterwards... Keep in a schedule, a changed routine...
I would like to start a group here, but there is also a culture in El Paso. I prefer established with members already. My issues are with AA, but group culture. But I need the alcoholics helping each other...
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Hurt Locker Wins Big at Oscars
The Hollywood Kodak Theatre rolled out the red carpet for the star-studded 82nd annual Academy Awards on Sunday night. Celebrities from all over the world dressed to impress and made their way down the red carpet, stopping for photo opportunities along the way, of course. Steve Martin and Alex Baldwin co-hosted the show and just as expected, it was an evening to remember.
Wolfman Legend Comes to Life on Screen
"Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night, may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright." Set in Blackmoor, England, in 1891, The Wolfman embodies all of the elements of the old-fashioned horror film: gore, thrills, suspense, and surprise.
"Dear John" the Movie
Nicholas Sparks' 2006 novel Dear John came to life on the big screen February 5, drawing throngs of females to the theaters. Despite the film's overwhelming appeal to the young female audience, Dear John embodies the elements necessary to potentially capture the attention of all moviegoers: war, loyalty, passion, and of course, love. Unfortunately, screenplay writer Jamie Linden and director Lasse Hallström are inept at adapting Sparks' wonderful novel to the movie screen.
Review of Sowell's "Dismantling America"
Leading economist and writer Thomas Sowell has a talent for simplifying difficult concepts and applying common sense when analyzing the issues plaguing America today. Nothing exemplifies this talent more than Sowell's newest work, Dismantling America, a book comprised of over 100 of Sowell's syndicated newspaper columns written on an array of subjects from financial bailouts to illegal immigration.
Review of "Pursuing Liberty"
Authors Cory Emberson and Rick Lindstrom believe that Americans have taken their freedoms for granted. Because of this, they sought out "Americans by choice," legal immigrants who came to the United States for all it has to offer, to contribute their insights for a book, Pursuing Liberty: America Through the Eyes of the Newly Free. This book will remind Americans what "American exceptionalism" truly means.
Earth Day or Green Indoctrination Day?
April 22, every year's Earth Day, proved another prime opportunity for educators to fully indoctrinate students on environmental issues as well as the "evils" of production and capitalism.
BP Oil Spill: Compensation Fund Abuse
When President Obama announced that energy giant British Petroleum would fund a $20 billion fund to compensate the victims of the British Petroleum oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, many warned of the potential for abuse. Regardless, the Obama administration kowtowed to the demands of George Soros' Center for American Progress and demanded that BP set up the escrow account. Now, just one year after the compensation fund was created, investigations reveal that the funds from the account have been used for purchases unrelated to the oil spill.
Idaho Legislators Follow Wisconsin Lawmakers' Footsteps
Union spokesmen for government workers have expressed fears that Governor Scott Walker's actions in Wisconsin would result in a domino effect of union-restricting legislation across the nation. As it turns out, these fears may not be unfounded, as Idaho state legislators have now passed a bill similar to that favored by Walker in Wisconsin. However, many voters and taxpayers disagree with union officials that reducing the power of government employee unions is a bad thing.
Holder Reveals Underlying Racism in DOJ Treatment of Black Panther Case
Though evidence of racism in the Justice Department has been evident for some time, Attorney General Eric Holder finally admitted to it on March 1, when he confessed that the Department was lax in the voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party because they are African American.
Seattle Cop Speaks Out Against City's Social Justice Program
A Seattle police officer exercised his constitutionally protected right to free speech when he submitted an opinion piece in his local police union's newsletter entitled, "Shut up and be a Good Little Socialist," railing against Seattle's Race and Social Justice Initiative. The program forces safety officials to receive training on racial profiling and cultural sensitivity.


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The Ohio Department of Natural Resources sponsored the second annual First Day Hike which took place Tuesday.
Jenny Richards, a Naturalist for ODNR and Shawnee State Park, said the First Day Park is a part of a national effort to encourage hikes joining other hiking efforts taking place at other parks throughout the country on New Year's Day.
"It happens in every state in the United States. I believe it was Massachusetts that started First Day Hikes," Richards said.
Richards said Shawnee State Park was the only state park in Ohio to host a First Day Hike this year.
"The purpose of today's hike is to get people out into the woods, to breathe fresh air, and to exercise on this first day of the year, just to start the year off right," Richards said.
Nine people showed up to participate in the hike, a small number in comparison to last year's 35 participants.
Richards said she would have liked to have seen more people show up for the 2013 First Day Hike, but gaging the number of how many people will show up is impossible.
"There is no registration needed, it is free and people can just show up," Richards said. "We will depart from here (Shawnee State Park Lodge), and walk through the parking lot to a mile loop trail which goes through a hickory forest, and its really beautiful."
Richards said participating hikers will have the opportunity to experience nature first hand.
"We will look for birds, maybe taste a few twigs, and just enjoy ourselves and experience the great outdoors, there is nothing like being in nature," Richards said.
Richards said the hike is designed for everyone who desires to participate.
"It is not strenuous at all, just a couple of small hills. It is a family-friendly walk, and it will happen here at Shawnee State Park each year on New Year's Day," she said.
The hike lasted approximately two hours.


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The Cradle to Cradle certified Climatex® Lifecycle™ and Climatex® LifeguardFR™ upholstery fabrics for climate-controlled seating belong to the earliest Cradle to Cradle product developments.
Climatex® LifeguardFR™ is a flame retarding variant of Climatex® Lifecycle™. Gessner added Climatex® Dualcycle™ to their portfolio in 2012.
Climatex® Lifecycle™ and Climatex® LifeguardFR™ consist of materials fitting best both safe indoor use and management as biological nutrient after use. Suppliers were associated with the development of the list of ingredients preferred for fitting best Cradle to Cradle® design objectives. Detailed information on the chemical constitution of every material input has been exchanged for the purpose of a thorough review by EPEA.
An immediate consequence of their design is that cuttings and trimmings occurring during textile production and the downstream furniture production can be used directly as mulch for gardening. In effect they are now reprocessed industrially to products maintaining the biological cycling potential of the Climatex® products they are coming from. Doing so, reduction of costs for traditional waste management are combined with eco-effective resource use.
Climatex® Dualcycle™ combines both concepts of biological and technical nutrient management. Following the use phase, textile components can be separated with a simple process for a further management as biological or as technical nutrients respectively. Gessner offers taking Climatex® Dualcycle™ back after extraction out of the context of its use.
The Climatex® products consist of wool of species-appropriately grown sheep and of cellulose fibers, including fibers of the Asiatic nettle plant ramie. The component of Climatex® Dualcycle™ that is destined to technical nutrient management after its separation consists of a special technical material named Cradura™ which is suitable for a technical cycle (Cradura stands for CRadle to CrADle Unlimited Recyclable Amide and conveys the concepts of "Cradle to Cradle" and Durability).
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- In large skillet melt 2 tablespoons no-trans-fat soft margarine over medium heat. Add 1 small diced yellow onion and ½ cup uncooked barley; cook, stirring until golden. Add 1 cup low-sodium chicken broth, ¼ cup golden raisins and ¼ teaspoon dried thyme to barley mixture.
- Heat to boil; reduce heat to simmer, cover and cook 40 to 45 minutes or until barley is tender and liquid is absorbed.
- Core and finely chop 2 large apples. Fold the apples and 2 tablespoons chopped fresh flat leaf parsley into the barley mixture. Cook for 5 additional minutes before serving.
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Highlights of MSN's engagement work from our 2011 Annual Report.
A new study co-authored by the Maquila Solidarity Network (MSN - Canada), the Honduran Independent Monitoring Team (EMIH), and Professionals for Corporate Social Auditing (PASE - Nicaragua) challenges the conventional wisdom that competing on the basis of cheap labour is the only option for poor garment producing countries.
Leading U.S. apparel brands are urging the Guatemalan government to resolve the long-pending DR-CAFTA labour complaint filed by six Guatemalan unions and the AFL-CIO four years ago.
Can CSR ratings help improve labour practices in global supply chains?, a new paper published by the Maquila Solidarity Network (MSN) and the Project on Organizing, Development, Education and Research (PODER), examines the potential of rating systems to drive improvements in supply chain labour practices. Through interviews with CSR experts, representatives from companies like Levi's, Gap and others that have been rated on supply chain labour issues, labour rights advocacy groups, and rating system developers, the paper highlights some key challenges facing rating systems and how some rating systems have tried to overcome, or at least minimize, those challenges.
Wal-Mart Mexico and Central America (Walmex) has taken some positive steps in its recently published 2010 Social Responsibility and Sustainable Development Report (CSR Report) but the company continues to fall short in addressing serious labour rights issues. If Walmex is genuinely committed to improving its CSR programs and public reporting, the company needs to go beyond the small, though laudable, reporting advancements it has made in 2010 and tackle the difficult and pressing issues being raised by civil society stakeholders.
A new report by MSN and Red Puentes Mexico examining Wal-Mart Mexico's (Walmex) CSR reporting, finds weaknesses in the company's reporting and practices, particularly in the areas of labour rights and the environment. "Walmex needs to better address underlying policy issues such as the presence of protection contracts in most of its retail outlets, its treatment of over 23,000 "volunteer" youth baggers and the lack of consultation with civil society stakeholders on social and environmental issues," says Beatriz Lujan, of the Authentic Labour Front, a member organization of Red Puentes Mexico.
Part of MSN's work in Freedom of Association has focused on engaging international brands. Our strategy has been to leverage brand pressure on suppliers to achieve greater respect and a more positive climate for freedom of association in their Mexican supply chains.
To this end MSN has developed a Freedom of Association in Mexico Tool Kit, which sets out how brands can strengthen their FOA policies, auditing procedures and corrective action plans, as well as communication with vendors, suppliers and licensees on those policies and expectations.


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Here's a glance at the major players in the scandal stemming from an affair between Gen. David Petraeus and Paula Broadwell:
Gen. David Petraeus
Petraeus, 60, resigned Nov. 9 as head of the CIA and admitted having an extramarital affair. His mistress was later identified as his biographer, Paula Broadwell. The retired four-star general formerly oversaw coalition forces in Iraq as well as U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan. He and his wife Holly, married 38 years, have two grown children.
Paula Broadwell
Broadwell, 40, is a West Point graduate raising two children with her husband Scott in Charlotte, N.C. Her affair with Petraeus led to his resignation. She got to know him while working on a Ph.D. dissertation about him. Alleged "jealous" emails she wrote anonymously to another woman, Jill Kelley, brought the affair to light, a government source told CNN.
Jill Kelley
Kelley, 37, allegedly received "jealous" emails from Broadwell, which the FBI investigated, a government source told CNN. The probe brought the affair between Broadwell and Petraeus to light. Kelley and her husband Scott, who live in Tampa, say they've been friends with the Petraeus family for more than five years. Kelley, an unpaid liaison at MacDill Air Force Base, is known in Washington's social circuit.
Gen. John Allen
Gen. John Allen, 58, U.S. commander in Afghanistan, is under investigation for allegedly sending inappropriate messages to Kelley. He denies wrongdoing, according to a senior defense official. Kelley had complained about anonymous e-mails she received, which were found to be from Broadwell. The FBI probe of those emails led to the discovery of Broadwell's affair with Petraeus.
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Europe's best beaches. The world's best beer. The most incredible walk on earth. Yes, this is the forgotten side of the U.K. And these were among our 15 finds, mostly by accident, while researching the story 55 Laws Street.
Need an easy weekend getaway or family vacation? These Florida islands are unique hidden gems and close to home — but still deliver a true tropical experience. Take a look at these unexpected coastlines, private island resorts and secret beaches in Florida and see if you can find a spot for your towel — just try not to let the word get out too much.
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Lap pools, Solariums and a Lawn Club? A peek into Celebrity's newest cruise ship, the Reflection reveals unexpected fun. See our picks for 2013's top cruises. | Best sailing cruise to the secret Caribbean. | Check out the most expensive cruise trip of 2013. |
Islands photographer Ian Lloyd went to Cuba with no intentions of taking pictures. Lloyd, a Canadian, was on vacation, but he had to grab his camera — stating, "Cuba's best story may lie in being there now. There in its emergence from a half-century of isolation. There in its rising (and crumbling) architecture. In its resilience and failures. The surprises kept coming." Here, in his words, he shares them.
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Putting together a gallery of epic Fiji photos is, we're a little embarrassed to say, as easy as it looks. After all, the islands of Fiji abound with everything from tumbling jungle waterfalls to white-sand beaches fringed with coconut palms. But Fiji isn't just about idyllic South Pacific islandscapes. What makes these islands so enchanting are the people. Establish eye contact for a second and you'll find yourself downing kava with the local chief and shouting "Bula!" Fiji is truly the friendliest place in the world. Think of this list of our top 11 things to do in Fiji as a starting point for your dream Fiji vacation, and for more Fiji travel tips, check out Islands' Destination Fiji special issue. |
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Rotis, doubles, curries and more — Trinidad's best foods are loaded with flavor and pack on the taste. Check out these top 10 must-try Trini dishes from writer Ann Vanderhoof's delicious journey of local Trinidad cuisine and check out the full story in the May 2013 issue of ISLANDS. (Try not to let your mouth water too much.)
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Frank Wilson, Motown producer of Supremes, Temptations dies
DUARTE, Calif. (AP) — Motown record producer and songwriter Frank Wilson, who worked with the Supremes, the Temptations and Marvin Gaye, has died in Southern California at 71.
Daughter Tracey Stein tells the Los Angeles Times that Wilson died of lung infection complications on Sept. 27 in a hospital in Duarte.
Wilson, who later became a minister, wrote or co-wrote the hits "Love Child" for Diana Ross and the Supremes, "Chained" for Marvin Gaye and "All I Need" for the Temptations.
After Eddie Kendricks left the Temptations, Wilson produced his 1973 hit "Keep On Truckin' (Part 1)."
Wilson also helped write "You've Made Me So Very Happy," a 1967 Top 40 single for Motown's Brenda Holloway that soon became an even bigger hit for Blood, Sweat and Tears.
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While it is currently a park, Snake Hill has been the site of a variety of different institutions over its history. An almshouse was located here, and several hospitals and a penitentiary. Most famously, Snake Hill was the site of a huge lunatic asylum. Many of those who died while inmates of the asylum still lay in the ground here in unmarked and unidentified graves. Continue reading
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1993, 96', USA, colorChris Hegedus, D.A. PennebakerEnglish with Turkish subtitlesThe War Room was the name for Bill Clinton's campaign center in Little Rock, Ark. Though the press wasn't usually permitted inside this small warren of chaos, filmmakers D A Pennebaker and Chris Hegedus, managed to secure partial access and shot nearly 35 hours of footage there. At the center of The War Room are the two men who guided Clinton's ship from the beginning: James Carville, the fiery, charismatic, expletive-spewing Cajun who manages the campaign with a mixture of Southern charm and unrelenting passion; and George Stephanopoulos, the brilliant, handsome Rhodes Scholar who, as communications director, calmly but surely mobilizes his staff to take the presidency. Hegedus and Pennebaker's camera follow these two masterminds as they organize and execute strategies for such events as the Democratic National Convention, the debates with George Bush and H. Ross Perot, and the final, nail-biting days leading up to the election itself, when it seemed less and less certain whom the voters would choose. The War Room is a compelling and enlightening adventure story about two remarkable men, and about the monumental effort and determination that is required to conduct"and win"a political campaign in the modern age.
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Matty Rich's Best Instagram Sneaker Pics
South Carolina native Matty Rich better known as @BoyT on Instagram is making a wave of noise with his sick sneaker pics. As a close friend of fellow sneakerhead San Diego Chargers DB Marcus Gilchrist Matty has to be on his A-Game. Just about each day he shares a new sneaker photo full of special effects which he won't share the secret to. SneakerWatch has managed to gather a nice chunk of his best shoe pics ranging from flamed out Foamposites to typographic Jordans. Check out the photos and be sure to follow @Boyt on Instagram.


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1 c. heavy whipping cream
½ c. whole milk
1 (9 inch) unbaked deep-dish pie crust
Preheat oven to 400° Fahrenheit.
In a saucepan, stir the pumpkin over medium-high heat for 10 minutes or until slightly dry and caramelized.
Remove from heat; add the sugar, salt, cinnamon, nutmeg and ginger. Mix well.
Add the eggs, cream and milk. Mix until smooth; pour into pie shell.
Bake for 25 to 30 minutes or until crust is golden brown. Allow to completely cool on rack before cutting.
Don't forget to top this with as much sweetened whipped cream as you can spoon!
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Yamaha YZF R125 - my view
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Cons : ok
90000rs for 125cc is too much,this is nt fair,it should be around 75-80 thousand,this cost is suggested is also for its superb look,but i don't wana puchase it,i suggest to buy fzs,if the is reduced then this byke will be succesfull byke than any other in india
Posted By abhishekdesire on (2012-09-18 00:00:00)
dis year i have opporchinity to buy any bike frm yamaha,,,,,my bike is r125 but it is not available in india......bad luck
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i think is the best bike of india....... i like it
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