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Kerry Wilson
Joined: 10 Apr 2006
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Location: Milner, Ga.
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:59 am
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Just got back from my 1st Indy 500. Great time, great race, great people
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Carter Schlenke
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:50 am
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My brother and I went 2 years ago and drove back to ATL after the race. That was a long day. It is quite the spectacle in motorsports as they say. The place is huge and there is about every type of individual you ever wanted to see and then some. When the cars aren't running, the golf course is pretty good too. Glad to hear you had a great time.
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:20 pm
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grew up 90 miles from Indy in Cincinnati. Used to go to time trials or race every year starting in 1958 throught 1971.
Used to take 1.5 hours to drive there, 3 hours in linne getting n, 3 hours getting out, 1.5 hours to drive home
One of the better race this year. Some are real boring. They used to maintain their distances during a yellow and paced by a flashing yellow light; would not allow cars to close the gap under yellow for the restart.
Best story: wreck in 1958, when clearing the track, fiberglass boty pieces were thrown off the trck: I watched and a small nose piece went under a pit sign. Dad let me go get it after the race and took it to school for "sharing time" was cool! c
"kart racing since 1958, was and still the best bank for the buck in motorsports"
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Barry Copeland
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:00 pm
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Wished I knew you were going, Darrin, Conner, Josh and Myself were all there. Drove up on Sat morning went to IRP/ORP that night and watched the midgets run, then went to the Big Show on Sunday. We were sitting in turn one about 3/4 the way up had great seats. Looking at going back next year.
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Kerry Wilson
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:54 am
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Barry, We sat in turn 1, South West Vista stand about 3/4 of the way up. Bet we were close to one another.
Dr. Chip, In less than 30 minutes after the race, we were on the interstate headed south.
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John Wehrheim
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:57 am
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I know of 2 other GSKA members that went to Indy.
Daniel White
Steve Frank
Maybe we need to have a GSKA Road Trip to Indy next year.
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Daniel White
Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Location: Atlanta
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:17 am
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OK, the first thing I need to fess up to is this is not how I typically roll. In five previous races, I camped in a tent in the Coke lot three times, and twice I stayed in hotels that were at least an hour from the city because I couldnt afford to pay $100+ / night.
I wasn't even planning to go this year, but a week before the race my wife, who has never been to Indy, told me that she got us round-trip flights, two nights in a hotel downtown, and that through a connection she managed to obtain entrance INTO ONE OF THE SUITES (I've always been in T3). That was all she would tell me, but said there were more surprises in store.
Surprise #1 was truly unexpected, for both of us: our flight Saturday morning was cancelled! The flight they booked us on to replace our cancelled flight involved connecting in Detroit, and my wife adamantly refused, as we had paid for non-stop. So we loaded the car and left Atlanta at 8:30 (after F1 qualifying was over).
Surprise #2 was also unexpected for both of us. An hour south of Atlanta, we called some of our peeps who were also going to the race and were invited to stop in Nashville and take a PRIVATE JET to Indy! The fun was beginning!
We kicked around in Nashville for a few hours before heading to the airport, where we boarded a Cessna Citation @ 8:00 pm. We were in Indy in 50 minutes. When we got off the plane, literally twenty feet away was our ride to the hotel. We got there in time to watch the rest of the Laker game at TGIFridays.
The next morning we were in a 4-car police-escorted motorcade to the track, where we drove straight down the median, past approximately 2 miles of bumper-to-bumper traffic, and drove straight into the track, stopping at THE PAGODA, the 10-story structure at the start-finish line, where race control is. Fifteen minutes from hotel to the middle of the track. I was told we would watch the race from the 8th floor, THE ONLY LEVEL THAT HAD OUTDOOR DECKS. Bam!
We were the first ones there (8:30) and were greeted with a nice breakfast. We hung out for about 45 minutes before the first celebrity showed upMark Wahlberg--who was to take a ride in the 2-seater Indycar. We then went down to the track, and cruised up and down pit row for about 30-40 minutes, taking lots of pictures. I even got to take several right on the start-finish line in front of the Borg-Warner trophy and the four vintage racers on display: Ray Harrouns inaugural winner, A.J. Foyts 61 front-engine winner, Al Unsers Johnny Lightning Special, and Rick Mears 79 (?) Gould-sponsored Penske. Freaking amazing. We walked up to pit-out and took several shots in front of the two-seater.
We made our way back to the suite, where a few more celebs showed up, including Jewel (she was to sing the National Anthem), Ty Murray, and Mari Hulman-George. Randy Barnes (the new CEO of the league) was there for quite a while. One hour before the start, I left to buy some scanner frequencies, and when I returned Angela was gone. I looked down and saw her standing with Naomi Judd and her husband, and later she stood a few feet away from Tony Kanaan while he was being interviewed. I watched the driver introductions and when the drivers exited, I saw her giving high fives to all the drivers! Shes very much an extrovert. I hurried downstairs to catch up with her, but by the time I got there she was nowhere to be found. The drivers had been given the command to go to their cars, and various stage festivities were about to begin, so I just stayed and watched them. Angela later told me that she followed Dario and Helio ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE GRID, and stayed until directed to leave. Got a pic of her posing in front of Dixons car.
She soon found me and we watched Jim sing his song, the flyover, taps, and Mari give the command. We hurried upstairs and arrived in time to see the last parade laps and get the scanner situation settled.
About thirty laps into the race Jack Nicholson shows up. He was aloof but generally very interested in the race and stayed almost the entire time. Throughout the race a few more celebrities appeared, including Florence Henderson, Robin Roberts (pace car occupant), several Kardashians and Bruce Jenner (they rode in one of the pace cars to shoot some footage for their show).
After the race, we went downstairs and spent an hour in victory circle, taking pictures. Got several of Dario being interviewed by Jack Arute, Ashley, Ashley and Dario together, Chip Ganassi, Dan Wheldon, and Robin Miller interviewing Randy Barnes.
Our pilot accompanied us to the race and was a great deal of fun to be around, and on the way back to Nashville he let me ride in the cockpit! That was an incredible treat!
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Darrin Tebbe
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:35 am
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John Wehrheim wrote:
I know of 2 other GSKA members that went to Indy.
Daniel White
Steve Frank
Maybe we need to have a GSKA Road Trip to Indy next year.
Funny Story.. Steve Frank and his crew pulled in right beside us when we were parking at IRP on Saturday night.. how's that for freaky?
FWIW the Night Before the 500 at IRP is much better racing that you see on Sunday, and this year the USF2000 and Star Mazda guys put on a good show before the USAC midgets went on track.
For those of you who have never seen a USAC midget race.. let's just say there's a reason the drivers that come out of that series tend to do well wherever they land. Those guys race every day of the week, all summer, on dirt, on asphalt, big tracks, little tracks.
At about 1050 pounds with driver and 350hp they are quite the rocket:
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:36 am
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Surprise #2 was also unexpected for both of us. An hour south of Atlanta, we called some of our peeps who were also going to the race and were invited to stop in Nashville and take a PRIVATE JET to Indy! The fun was beginning!
"an hour south of Atlanta" no WONDER...you were going the wrong direction: Indy is NORTH! LOL
Midgets: I LOVE them
more backgroud info: In light of Daniels excellent story, WOMEN were not allowed in the pits/gasoline alley until fairly reventley
Gasoline alley is a misnomer since they all do and have always (for a long time?) burned alky
"Indianopolis Motor Speedway" name is a misnomore, "moto" applies to electric, "Engines are gas/diesel dribven (Indy Engine Speedway"
The track is in "Speedway IN, withits own zip code
Track is 2.5 miles around, best place for us everyday people is in the turns: Then you can see the short straight way (:short chute") ONE curve, and down the straight but binoculars help!
They used to allow scaffolding in the infield (the snake pit) and people would pay the the fan scaffolding builder to sit to better see the track, until several scaffolding fell resulting in 2 deaths!
Green cars were never seen since green was considered unlucky, until the british invasion of Britios Green rear engine cars: Good by front mounted 255CI Offy (Offenhauser) 4 cylinders...
Note the stands were not full: it used to be all seats were sold out an for the next year a few hours after the rce ended. Looks llike Indy racy is returning
Kerry-That was great you made it out so quick..greatly improved
I still have an Indy checkered flag from the 50's: sold for 50 cents, while waiting in line to enter or leave: bugged dad for one until he bought it for me
Truly the "Greatest Specticle in Racing"-Should be put on everyboidy's Bucket List, and enjoy the whole WEEKEND of racing! c
"kart racing since 1958, was and still the best bank for the buck in motorsports"
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Daniel White
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Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:36 pm
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oops. An hours south of Nashville. My bad!
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vitus,I said yeast half-jokingly because JMD didn't provide a quantitative adjective along with his qualitative adjective. If you want to avoid a yeasty smell or taste, you have to avoid yeast, unless you don't have a very discerning palate. Now if it's a really yeasty smell or taste, or too much yeastiness, I would suggest not letting the dough rise at room temperature "for the day" assuming "for the day" means all day. I also assumed that he meant at room temperature because he didn't mention putting the dough in the refrigerator. He only asked about the cold rise. He didn't mention that he used it. Using less yeast might solve the problem, but there are a couple of things that need to be known.


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Aerospace Sales Help Strong Second Quarter for Northrop Grumman
Northrop Grumman raised its 2013 financial outlook after posting a strong second quarter, aided by work on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program.
The aerospace and defense contractor's second quarter net profit increased to $488 million, up from $480 million during the second quarter 2012. Based on the strong second quarter, Northrop raised its earnings outlook for 2013 from $24 to $24.3 billion.
Total sales for the company's aerospace systems unit increased nine percent to $2.6 billion.
"The increase in manned military aircraft is principally due to higher F-35 volume resulting from the delivery of 11 units under low rate initial production lot 5 (LRIP 5), the first lot accounted for under the units-of-delivery method," Northrop said in a statement.
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Wopat Twins Feed Off Each Other at Tryouts
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Feb. 26, 2011) - For twins Sam and Carly Wopat athletics are not a hobby, but a family tradition and volleyball is more than their sport, but a sister act. The two have competed on the same court since they were 12 and continue the custom at the U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team Open Tryouts being held at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, Colo.
"We love the competitiveness out here," Sam said. "It is exciting to get a break from school and play with the level of talent out here on the courts. Being twins in this sport is cool because we get the opportunity to sometimes intimidate our opponents as well."
"It is fun sometimes to play on opposite sides of the net though," Carly added on being on different teams and playing each other in tryouts. "We can watch what each other does and make ourselves better from it."
For the complete feature story, visit usavolleyball.org/news/article/41139.
Black, Barker Reunite with Desire to Play Together, Again
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Feb. 26, 2011) – For setter Brianne Barker and outside hitter Kelsey Black, this weekend's U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team Open Tryouts being held at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs seem like a reunion of sorts for the childhood friends who grew up together on the volleyball courts of Amarillo, Texas.
The pair was nearly inseparable on the volleyball court as pre-teenagers before going their separate ways at college – Barker to University of Oklahoma and Black to Texas A&M. Black and Barker guided Amarillo High School to consecutive Texas Class 5A state championships in 2006 and 2007, becoming the first team in Texas Class 5A to repeat in over 20 years. During their three years together with the Amarillo High Sandies program, the duo scored an impressive 129 victories in 134 matches for a .963 winning percentage with Barker's mother, Jan, as the head coach of the program.
"It was a definite blessing to be coached by my mom," Barker said. "It had its hard times and brought on some drama, but I would not want it any other way. It was a special bond to have my mom as the coach."
Yet, the bond between Black and Barker started well before high school. They had been on the same youth volleyball club starting in 2001 playing for High Plains 12s. Their last year competing together in club was with Amarillo Elite 17s.
For the complete feature story, visit usavolleyball.org/news/article/41137.
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MARSHALL – Members of the Lyon County Board approved updates to health benefits for county employees Monday.
In a special meeting, county administrator Loren Stomberg presented employee participation rates for health benefits in 2014.
"Probably the bigger change is moving away from the cafeteria system," Stomberg said of the proposed rates. Although employees wouldn't be participating in a cafeteria plan for health benefits, he said monthly participation rates would stay mainly the same. Single and family plans were offered at $1,200, $2,600 and $5,000. One family plan, the $5,000, would have a lower monthly contribution and VEBA contribution than it did in 2013, Stomberg said.
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Skip to comments.WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 45 NOV 9, 2012
Posted on 11/09/2012 10:10:41 AM PST by greeneyes
The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.
This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you wont be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isnt asked.
It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!
I have been getting the raised beds ready to plant winter wheat and winter rye. Now that we have had a real frost, it is time to plant the wheat.
Still eating ripe tomatoes off the salvaged vines from the tomato patch. Lemons are almost ripe. Will peek at the winter garden tomorrow to see what's happening outside.
Have a great weekend. God Bless.
In the spirit of division I just wanna say that gardeners are at fault for reelecting Obama.
You didn't think gardeners were going to get a pass did you?
Pinging the list.
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It weren't gardeners in Missouri. We be Red State proud. LOL
Sorry for the extra pings. I don't know how that happened. I only clicked post one time - I swear.
I am not listening to any news today. I refuse to let anyone ruin my TGIF day and control my emotions.So I will change the subject.
This thread is my refuge, and Gardening can be a soothing hobby/activity.
Are you doing any gardening or garden planning?
Lovely gardening day here. About 50 degrees, mostly sunny. Just pulled up the last of my spaghetti squash and some leeks. Need to mulch leeks and carrots. Picking lots of chicory and greens.
Have a great day :-)
Tell me more about the chicory. What exactly are you harvesting and how are you using it?
This is the time of year for me to break file and sharpen my hoe and other tools and start constructing some new tomato cages.
My wife and I are also considering renting a small garden plot to grow sweet corn to sell at the farmers market (or its redneck equivalent a pick up off to the side of the highway) next year as a summer project. Does anyone have any recommendation for websites or books on how to undertake this. We are looking for details like how much yield to expect per acre and such. Any recmmondentation appreciated.
I've got a bhut jolokia that's about 3" tall in a giant pot sitting in the (relatively warm) 70+ degree sunshine in my driveway. When it turns cold for good i've got a grow light system all ready for it in my garage. Plan on starting peppers and tomatoes sometime in the week after Christmas or so this year so they're all big and ready to go when it's warm enough. I'll be able to add another 30X100 area to one of my gardens as well so I'm psyched. I'm using HPS for bulk seed for a few varieties of stuff this year including mariachi peppers, zavory peppers and flavorburst peppers. All family favorites.
Totally Tomatoes for most everything else and i'm currently loading up a cart on Jungseed's sale page. Next up is Sandhill for heirloom species of 'c. moschata' winter squashes and pumpkins. That particular variety is pretty good wrt squash vine borer resistance as long as you let it run and root as it wants to...smallish order from baker creek too. Mainly some short day onions and upland rice seed. RH Shumway for some milo and millet to grow for my chickens. There are some 'winter melon' selections from baker creek too i'm thinking of growing later in the season and storing for the chickens to have treats in the fall/winter.
Chickens have been feasting on scallop squash for the past month. I deliberately let the last bunch of them set and get that shell exterior. They've been sitting in buckets on my back porch out of the sun for a couple months now. Every day or two I cut 2-3 of them up (they're about 10-12" across) and throw them in the run. The girls love the seeds and the squash too. Next day all that will be left is small hulled out shell pieces. I managed to get 8-10 from each squash plant this way, not counting the squashes we'd gotten from the plants all summr. Definitely plant more scallop squashes for this next summer late.
Enjoying my tomato powder and garlic powder. Made my own garlic powder with my dehydrator and blender. There's just no comparison with store bought. None. Neither with fresh onion powder. Hubby got a 50lb bag of onions at SAMS last week that's next up in the queue. Going to give a pint jar of onion powder as Christmas gifts to family. That'll be a bunch of onions!
The best use of the tomato powder so far was in some pulled pork. Added the powder in with a pork picnic in the crock pot when I started it. Then some onion powder and some fresh mushrooms and some jalapeno powder. Shredded the pork as it cooked and used that on sandwiches. Yum doesn't even come close. The powder takes up way less space than the tomato paste I was using.
Have a bag of USA garlic waiting to plant out this weekend to overwinter. Going to start a couple flats of onions too.
it's all good...
Our garden is long done except for some bunching onions and sage. We had a bumper crop of brandywine tomatoes. i've never seen that many brandwines before! They supposedly don't bear much fruit per plant. I was going to take the remainder of the green ones off to wrap in newspapers but a hard freeze made them all into popsicles! AAARRRGH!! They never had a chance. At least I got some in the freezer and a number of quarts of canned before the freeze.
I'll be putting my beds to sleep for the winter. Any suggestions of how to do that? Should I layer on straw? We layered grass clippings, mulched leaves and mulch on the tomato bed. I want to add to the rest of the raised beds as well, to get some nutrients working down into the soil.
It's been winter here for some time, at my place, as it will be at yours. So here are some ideas of others combined with one of my own for covers for plants in late fall or early spring.
Some of us see high winds, so that's also covered. The following is for lowering costs of tending larger covered gardens.
You've probably seen the greenhouse frames built with low-cost small-diameter electrical conduit—something that can be painted with latex for extra UV protection, BTW. Link those conduit hoops together (with tight loops around each one before proceeding to the next) and anchor them at the ends with barbless wire. In my area, barbless wire (no barbs) is about $60 per quarter mile roll at the ranch supply store and can be used for many seasons. Drill small holes in the conduit hoops, and use plenty of wire with small intervals between strands for a frame of greater strength. Stake down the ends if needed (at least two at about 45 degree angles from each end).
Small enough intervals to support the lower cost, thinner clear plastic sheeting for protection against early season cold. Store the plastic, when it isn't needed. You might be able to use it another season.
And shade cloth, of course—generally much less expensive than plastic. Shade cloth over the frame described above will help to protect against high winds and hailstorms (hailstorms in mid-summer for me).
Hope that helps those of you in brutal climates like my own and others who want to extend their gardening seasons. I'd also like to see low-cost methods for covering plants from any of you willing to comment. Thanks for the gardening post and thread.
[I buy seeds from Missouri sometimes, BTW. ...heirloom seeds, because many of those are for short-season produce for climates like my own. They also help to cut seed costs. I can even keep and use seed potatoes for an extra season or two, because of the high altitude here: over 9,000 feet elev. No worries about fungi or other potato diseases.]
Do a search for your university extension office as a start.
How cold does it get during winter where you are?
I have been brainstorming how to have a lean-to green house on by lower patio next to the house. We have an all brick home, and the back faces southwest. The bricks absorb a lot of heat during the day.
However, I think I would still need a little heat during cloudy or extra cold winter days, and that has me a little stumped.
It's windy in TX today and yesterday. Guess it's the front coming in which is supposed to give us a freeze on Monday. It's supposed to last through Thanksgiving.
Update on the green beans vs. deer. The beans lost. Hubby was taking out the trash a couple nights ago and nearly ran into a big boy having supper. I don't want to mess with putting up an electric fence but I might have to next spring. I've already rearranged the plans for the spring planting but I might have to rework them again to get the beans onto another fence. It's going to mess up my watering to do that but don't know what else to do.
Maybe hubby can pee along the fence and that'll stop the deer? Any ideas on that?
There's a few little green tomatoes, some greens and of course lots of those ridiculously HOTTTTTTT jalapenoes. I'm throwing out those jalapeno seeds and finding another variety. I sprayed the fall squash but it didn't help so they're gone along with the fall cukes.
We can have unheated garages stay above freezing if opened/closed judiciously and a section of it protected with plastic tarp to keep cold drafts off the tender plants. Our dryer vents into the garage. Not a great idea in the summer but in the summer I usually hang the clothes out to dry. Heat in the deep south is FREE in the summer, danged if I'm gonna pay money to make my garage even HOTTER in August. In January if I run the dryer once a day it's usually enough, combined with the deep freezers out there, to keep the garage fairly toasty (always above 50 even if the outside temps are in the 20's at night).
Maybe put the lean to on the outside of your house near where you've got a fireplace or somewhere you can vent a dryer? Maybe pave it with concrete block tiles that are darker in color to absorb more heat?
You get a good deal colder than we do though. And stay colder for longer. We'll have a few days with the highs in the upper 30's to lower 50's range and lows in the high teens to upper 30's. Followed by 2 or 3 days with highs in the upper 60's. I kept a pepper plant in a low tunnel in my garden till january one year. Let it freeze then because the rabbits had found it and didn't want to feed the problem animals!
There are some good sites out there that talk about green houses both heated and unheated. I'm sure there are lots of really really good ideas out there. An unheated greenhouse is on our 'to do list'. Just not this year!
About 1 month before planting I will "plough" this green manure under, and add some real manure compost before planting. Also will cover with dark plastic this year to help warm soil and help prevent soil-borne problems.
Hubby plans on planting winter wheat and harvesting it so that we can grind our own whole wheat flour.
Lot's of people plant rye and hairy vetch after corn and follow that with Beans/Legumes. I don't use hairy vetch anywhere that I plan to have a harvest of grain-I read somewhere that there would be difficulty with the harvest.
However, common vetch is supposed to be a good crop to grow before Tomatoes. Buckwheat helps to reduce beetles and is a good crop to plant in the middle of the season after lettuce/salad crop and early tomatoes.
Tomorrow, Saturday, is supposed to be about 70 degrees.
after a few weeks in the 40s it will be a short lasting blessing. I plan on pulling the last of the beets for freezing.
Today I am going for maximum excitement . . . I am cleaning the house.
I have successfully had a winter garden for salads the last 2 years. Next to one of my southwest patios is a concrete retaining wall. I put a raised bed next to the retaining wall.
I bought a little white wire fence on sale from Walmart for $2.00, put it around the other three sides. I anchored a double layer of floating row covers on top of the retaining wall, cover the bed, and anchor it next to the fence with logs from our firewood supply.
The concrete heats up in the daylight, and release heat at night. Sometimes I also line the sides with milk jugs full of water. I add straw and other cover as needed.
To access, I lift up the row cover on the retaining wall for access. Very cheap. Everything except the fence was on hand already, and everything was reusable. It's sort of a cold frame type of arrangement using row cover.
Carrots, spinach, lettuce, green onions, and garlic have grown well. I also have perennials this year in another such bed Rosemary, Stevia, tarragon, and lilac so we'll see how it goes.
I have read that pee works with some critters, so I guess it is worth a try. LOL
Thanks, I didn't know that Endive and Escarole were Chicory. We have lots of wild Chicory growing in Missouri. I am especially interested in a Chicory/coffe blend. When we visited New Orleans, I found out that I like that.
As coffee gets more expensive, I thought it would be a good stretcher, and add some additional nutrients.
thanks for the link. Lots of good stuff to look at and get ideas.
I need to clean house very badly. However, I need R & R from the stress of the political season even more. No news for me today and just lots of focus on gardens and plans for Thanksgiving.
This is for Red_Devil and anyone else that likes beer, dance, & drama. I can't discuss the election yet.
It is much too nice of a day here in Central Missouri to be at work, but here I sit. I managed to get the garden cleanup and garlic planting both completed last weekend. No big plans for this weekend. Maybe just watch football and drink beer. LOL
Where are you gardening that your winters are so harsh and your winds so brutal?
Excellent Excellent Graphics! When I was stationed in Japan I had quite a few Sapporo Beers! It was a good beer. Thanks for the link! I may use it in my weekly Homebrew Post a little later at Beer Thirty!
Hot jalapenos???? Tell me it isn't so :)
Try keeping their roots real moist so the fruit grow larger. That should tone down the heat.
Not with these deer. Believe me, I'm a guy ;)
I got my seed stash inventoried, that's my response to stress. Works pretty well, too, just running my fingers through the bean seeds that I saved makes me feel better!
My budget for new seeds is pretty slim this year, due to losing my job in February, so I'm really glad I splurged last winter and bought all kinds of "survival" seeds. I've got wheat, barley, rye,spelt, hulless oats, buckwheat, amaranth, sorghum, corn . . . and those are just the grains! My inventory filled 4 pages, with 2 columns per page.
This year I think I'm going to try and get hold of some popbeans and some flour corn. Popbeans are a special variety of chickpea that you can pop like popcorn, which probably makes it the fastest-cooking legume in the world, and as an added bonus it doesn't need water to cook. As for the flour corn, I came across something in a book that described how you can tell with flour corn which grains have been pollinated by a flint or dent corn, because it changes the translucency of the endosperm. Since GMO corns are dent corns, this would give me a way to stay safe from Monsanto lawsuits :)
Plus, the author of that book described how corn flour from a true flour corn (unlike the corn flour in the stores, which is made from dent corn) can be milled fine enough that she even makes angel food cake out of hers! Not something I would have thought to try. My cousin has celiac, she'd love that.
LOL. That's a good beat. Thanks for the link.
I have been just sitting here soaking up the sun, and doing very little. Opening mail, looking at garden stuff on the internet etc.
Maybe tomorrow I'll get out and do something more productive. LOL.
I'll take your word for it. Tee Hee.
Wow. I did not know that about corn flour, or dent corn either. Really worth learning more and experimenting I think.
Sorry, can't say, exactly, for personal and temporary reasons. But our temperatures have gone as low as -35 F and winter wind gusts over 100 mph (109 recorded last winter during sub-zero weather). Often sustained off and on for days at 60-80 mph. Spraying ice piled up last winter to around 3 feet of depth (not snow but ice with about the weight and consistency of sand). Gardening in summer is short season and/or covered. Winds also often run high for days in summer (very dry summers).
Sounds like North Dakota, Minnesota, or Alaska! Maybe even parts of Wisconsin — LOL. I sure can tell that you don't live in Hawaii,
Thank you. The reminder to consider thermal mass will help very much (water, concrete).
Well, I'm at a very high elevation.
Freezing fog today; flakes tomorrow, followed by a warm up next week.
Over the past week or so we harvested our Brussels sprouts. Seven packages went into the freezer; 5 meals so far, fixed various ways. We also gave about 5 pounds to friends. The chickens loved the leaves.
Mainly been busy "harvesting" 8 cords of firewood from decked thinnings & beetle-killed trees on the local national forest. Between this, and what we already had on-hand, we probably have enough to get us through not only this winter, but also the two following. We use our 25' flatbed trailer, and can get 1-1/2 to 2 cords in a hard day's cutting; one more load to go.
Speaking of sprouts, so far, neither the winter wheat not the garlic is showing any signs of sprouting.
Season opens tomorrow, so will also try to harvest a deer; already got our first turkey of the season, which opened a few weeks ago.
May your hunting be successful.
These are Boletes Edulis or the King Bolete
That is some really good looking mushrooms. I am not familiar with them. Are mushrooms easy to grow? I see those kits now and again, and think about trying it, but we have such a sunny location Hubby always snorts when I mention it.
These grow wild in the woods here as well as many many more varieties but these are Good Eats especially with a steak. I think our prolific gardener up in South Dakota is familiar with them as he lived in SW Oregon for a while.,,
One year, the yard was covered with panther caps!!!! We nearly lost one of our Shelties to them. She didn't eat it, but stepped in a rotting one, then washed her foot. After that set of vet bills, we referred to her as The Amanita Eatah.
Fried Chicken Mushroom
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Earlier today, a powerful earthquake with a magnitude of 7.0 struck Haiti. Reports are still coming in, but it appears that many schools, hospitals and other buildings have collapsed, adding more suffering to an already impoverished nation, the poorest country in the western hemisphere.
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We have a group of 4 Rotarians from houston, all American citizens, that arrived today, Tue, to Port of Prince.
Trying to communicate with the State Department help line is impossible, but I can not find an email address to inquire for them!!
Can you open an email address for inquiries ??
Thank you and lets help Haiti!
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I would like to help with the clean up effort in Haiti. That is, I want to go to Haiti and physically help. I do not own any construction equipment nor do I have the funds to travel. Do any programs presently exist that support this idea?
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Is sad. There is not a possibility of helping in addition and is sadder.
Sends meditation and a tear of short time grief to the victims. Sends a deep impression even in the rescue team which has difficulty from site of earthquake.
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In a Time now that life for the whole world has been so hard for most my hopes and prayers are with the people and families from Haiti. As I sit with a warm cup of coffee in the comfort of a warm house we all need to help these poor people in their time of need.
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I just want to say that my heart, prayers and thought go out to those stranded in this disaster. I am a Haitian American who continue to have family in Haiti as well as the US. This is a State of Emergency and this is the time to stop deportation in Haiti and declare an Amnesty for the imigrants and to allow them to work and travel inorder to assist their families and this country.
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Is there an email address we can contact? The phone line is tied up. My parents are in Port au Prince. They sent word they are heading to the airport.
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How can I get there to help??!!
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Please include contact info for other relief agencies we can help... And, like with our troops overseas, God bless all men and women in and out of uniform responding to this crisis.
Margaret F. in Georgia writes:
Is there a way to obtain information about relatives if you are an American citizen but they are Haitians.
Caprice M. in South Dakota writes:
You have made it so easy for those who think their lifestyles are to busy to take an active effort to aide in times of need. This is so absolutely wonderful!!! I have this posted to my facebook blog and hope it helps!!!!
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I think the text donation is a really brilliant idea, but it's still not working for me. I've tried about 7 times so far. Return text says the short code has expired.
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I want to go there to help. Please, anyone with any kind of information that would lead me to someone and know how to do this, it would be greatly appreciated!!
Nikki in Washington, DC writes:
It is actually really impressive that the administration has partnered up with the Red Cross and made it so easy to donate! Thanks.
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Please let me know if 100% of the $10.00 will go to the Red Cross -I don't want to text in if Verizon gets a cut of the money.


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Newbie with a few dumb questions
December 10, 2005, 02:41:59 PM »
Hi all,
I'm new to the group and am pretty new to pizza making.
I recently bought my first deep dish pizza pan this week, It is a 12" hard coat aluminum type pan. And was wondering how to go about seasoning it?
I have searched the forum here looking for the answer before I asked, But I'm just not finding it through searching keywords or posts.
I have also gone to other websites trying to find a way and have heard from everything to use olive oil, to shortening, to bake french fries in it a few times.
My plan was to season it the same way I seasoned my cast Iron grill pan, Which was just just coat it with a layer of shortening and bake it for half an hour or so. I was going to season the pizza pan 2 or 3 times before I even use it....Just to ensure a good coat.
Would this method work?
Next question.....And this is the DUMBER one of the two. lol In my web surfing and other forms of learning about deep dish pizza. One thing I keep seeing are whole deep dish pizzas being removed intact from the pan prior to slicing. How is this done without wrecking the pizza?
Is there somekind of trick or toolused to remove the whole pizza or am I just seeing the results of a Removeable pan being used? I did see a TV show on the travel channel this past week about Deep Dish pizza and they just took a knife and pryed the pizza out of the pan in one whole intact piece. (But they were 6" pans)
I was wondering because I've heard NEVER to cut your deep dish pizza in the pan because it will damage the pan, So for fear of looking stupid I figured I'd better ask BEFORE I make the pizza so I don't mangle it or the pan the first time out. lol
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December 10, 2005, 02:57:28 PM »
Hi Shystev99, Welcome to the forum. These are not dumb questions at all ,especially for a person new to the deep dish style. A pan can be seasoned by wiping down with a coat of oil(canola etc..) and baking it in the oven for about 20 min. This seems to be the most popular way. As for a pizza coming out of the pan as a whole. I lightly grease the pan with crisco and the pizza comes right out using a spatcula. The pizza tends to bake away from the side of the pan and can almost be taken out by hand if the pan was not so hot.
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December 10, 2005, 03:33:32 PM »
Seasoning a deep-dish pan won't hurt it but if the one you have is one of the newer hard coat anodized pans, it may not be necessary (see the first FAQ at
, and look at some of the coated pans elsewhere on the site to see if yours is like the ones shown). If your pan has the new preseasoned coating, then all you have to do is wash the pan in some soap and water before using for the first time. If your pan is of the type requiring seasoning, you won't want to go above about 425-450 degrees F so that the flash point of your oil is not reached and you get a lot of smoke.
As for how to remove the baked pizza from the pan, I will quote you the advice given by Tom Lehmann, a native of the Chicago area and an expert on pizza matters:
Using a deep dish pan gripper, and a long, flexible cake decorators spatula (available from most kitchen supply stores) you should be able to turn the spatula around the edge of the pizza to make sure it isn't sticking to the pan, then with a flip of the wrist, slip the spatula under the pizza and guide it out of the pan all in one motion. It might seem difficult at first, but I do it all the time, it just takes a little practice and a flexible spatula (the spatula is the key).
To see what a pan gripper looks like, go to Reply # 291, second photo, at
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December 10, 2005, 08:00:44 PM »
Thanks for the Welcome and the help.
I bought the pan on ebay this past week on ebay and was debating on buying a gripper to go with it. Instead I decided to buy a pizza cutting roller instead. I figured I could probably live without the gripper but needed the cutter so I grabbed it. Guess I'll have to go back and get a gripper and maybe another pan to.
It is a hard coat type pan, And I think the seller may have said it didn't need to be seasoned but that it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and do it. I also thought it couldn't hurt and I'd just like to do it for nothing more than a learning process for future pans. It's a pizza hut pan, Even says pizza hut and has the logo right on it.
I'll just use the canola oil instead of the shortening to season it. I'll probably have a few more questions as I go. It'll probably be a few weeks before I make my first pizza in it though. Gonna do some more research before I dive in.
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December 11, 2005, 09:51:33 AM »
I use two spatulas, one on each side of the pizza--it lifts out quite easily. Sometimes, when I'm feeling lazy and the other spatula is across the room, I just use one spatula and a knife.
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December 12, 2005, 01:43:33 AM »
Thanks again for the help again all.
I seasoned my pan today, Probably won't get around to making my first pizza in it until after Christmas. Just alot of other stuff going on until then.
I'm gonna try that 2 spatula trick you suggested buzz. I have plenty of plastic spatulas around.
My one other question is, When I seasoned it today in the end it came out kind of sticky, The coated parts. I did it twice first time with canola oil, then a second coat using shortening which seemed to cover a little better. The canola oil didn't really stick well or cover it all the first time.
But both times the pan was sticky afterwards, is this normal or did I just not do it long enough or hot enough to harden?
I did it for about 20 minutes each time at about 420-425 letting it cool down some in between.
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December 17, 2005, 12:06:58 PM »
Hey Steve,
I'm even newer to the site than you but caught your mention of seasoning a pizza pan like it was cast iron.
I don't own a pizza pan for my deep dish because I cook it in my cast iron skillets.
Forgive me people but I tend to cut the pie while it's in the skillet. It's darn near impossible to damage cast iron.
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February 27, 2006, 01:35:52 PM »
I haven't been on the board much since I asked this question a month or so ago, Been having computer problems and just haven't been around. But I saw another thread pointing back to this thread and wanted to tell everyone what I started doing. I've only made a few deep dish pizzas since I posted but developed a kind of odd technique top removing the pie from the deep dish pan.
I started off by taking the plastic spatulas suggested by another user. I use two plastic wide based spatulas. I let the pizza rest for about 5 minutes to kind of cool slightly and let the filling kind of firm slightly.
First picture your pan as a clock, 12 oclock being the top facing farthest from you, 6 oclock being the closest part nearest you.
Then with one spatula i guide it around the edge loosening the entire diameter of the pizza and trying to see if the bottom us loose. Next I stick one of the spatulas between the dough and the inside of the pan and leave it there standing at about the 4 oclock position on a clock. Then I take a second spatula just as wide and do the same thing at about the 8 oclock position. Gently lift the two trying to pry the whole bottom side of the pizza (Bottom being the 6 oclock section facing you
Once you see the crust is high enough out of the pan I take a flat pizza pan, a little larger than your deep dish pan and slip the rim of the flat pan in the gap between the bottom crust and the deep dish pan. Then carefully remove the spatulas and wiggle the flat pan across the edge of the bottom crust. Almost like you would wiggle a flat pizza off a wooden pizza peel. Don't force it or ram it in the deep dish pan, just wiggle it so the pizza slides onto the pan. When the entire flat pan covers the entire bottom crust you just set the whole thing aside to cut.
Now I've only done this 2 or 3 times so I'm not going to say it's a perfect technique. I have had crust break off in a section of the pizza each time and once the bottom crust did stick slightly to the bottom which kind of slaughtered that section of the pizza. But for the most part it seems to work. I've just accepted the fact that it's not going to come out perfect and there will be some minor crust damage.
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This Sunday, June 19, the N'DIGO Foundation will hold a gala and concert at the Chicago Symphony Center. Kenny "Babyface" Edmonds will perform, and gala speakers will include Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Art Norman, ABC's Charles Thomas, and other leaders in the community. Garrett Popcorn will have a popcorn stand at the gala where attendees can try our Chicago Mix.
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Thread: Was It A Full Moon tonight?
#1 Was It A Full Moon tonight?04-27-2012, 12:28 AM
I've been a C.O. for 6 1/2 years and for the first time today, I got to do a chair placement. What that is is an inmate who is on suicide watch decides to act the fool by either doing something destructive to the cell(break the fire sprinkler head, etc) or to himself. What happens is they get put in this(except naked as the day they were born):
Well, we had 2 of these and this is how I was dressed from about 3:30pm to 8pm tonight(except only one is holding the shield:
But there was more crap in the jail tonight. 2 suicide attempts and a few inmate fights. What a freaking night!The Obama Administration: Deny. Deflect. Blame.
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Karen S Anderson, PhD
Professor of Pharmacology and of Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry; Co-Director Therapeutics/Chemotherapy Program
Research Interests
Molecular Biology; Pharmacology; Anti-Retroviral Agents; HIV Reverse Transcriptase; Multifunctional Enzymes
Research Organizations
Cancer Center: Developmental Therapeutics
Structural Biology
Virology laboratories
Research Summary
The primary emphasis focuses on developing an understanding of enzymatic reactions and receptor-ligand interactions at a molecular level. The approach is to use a combination of structural techniques including rapid transient kinetics, NMR, and xRay crystallography. This allows a quantitative and structural basis for understanding how proteins work at a molecular level.
Our ultimate goal in this research is to develop an in-depth mechanistic understanding of how enzymes function and thereby provide a more effective means of modulating their function. This approach has been used to examine a number of enzyme mechanisms including EPSP synthase, tryptophan synthase, PABA synthase, LAR-tyrosine phosphatase, and HIV reverse transcriptase. We have recently uncovered some interesting mechanistic features of HIV reverse transcriptase which may ultimately aid in the design of better therapeutic agents for the treatment of AIDS.
Specialized Terms: Enzyme function; Anti-viral agents
Extensive Research Description
Our research is directed toward understanding molecular mechanism of clinically important antimicrobial, anticancer, and antiviral molecular targets with the ultimate goal of developing more effective therapies. Key enzyme targets for the development of therapeutics include: KDO8P synthase (an important target for new antibacterials) and a bifunctional thymidylate synthase-dihydrofolate reductase (TS-DHFR) enzyme from parasites (a target for new antiparasitic drugs).
Also ongoing are studies to understanding the molecular mechanisms of normal and aberrant protein signaling and the effects of selectively guided anticancer drugs such as Iressa and Gleevec. Important molecular targets include EGFR, HER-2, PDGFRb, and c-kit receptor tyrosine kinases. Another area of focus involves investigating the mechanisms of HIV reverse transcriptase as well as drug resistance and toxicity that may ultimately aid in the design of better therapeutic agents for the treatment of AIDS.
Selected Publications
- Li Z, Song F, Zhuang Z, Dunaway-Mariano D, Anderson KS. Monitoring enzyme catalysis in the multimeric state: direct observation of Arthrobacter 4-hydroxybenzoyl-coenzyme A thioesterase catalytic complexes using time-resolved electrospray ionization mass spectrometry. Anal Biochem. 2009 Jul 25. [Epub ahead of print] PMID: 19635449 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]
- Bautista AD, Stephens OM, Wang L, Domaoal RA, Anderson KS, Schepartz A. Identification of a beta3-peptide HIV fusion inhibitor with improved potency in live cells. Bioorg Med Chem Lett. 2009 Jul 15;19(14):3736-8. Epub 2009 May 15. PMID: 19497744 [PubMed - in process]
- Nichols SE, Domaoal RA, Thakur VV, Tirado-Rives J, Anderson KS, Jorgensen WL. Discovery of wild-type and Y181C mutant non-nucleoside HIV-1 reverse transcriptase inhibitors using virtual screening with multiple protein structures. J Chem Inf Model. 2009 May;49(5):1272-9. PMID: 19374380 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
- Furdui, C., Lew, E., Schlessinger, J., and Anderson, K.S. (2006). Autophosphorylation of the kinase domain of FGFR1 is mediated by a sequential and precisely ordered reaction. Molec. Cell 21:711-717
- Basavapathruni, A., et al. (2006). Modulation of HIV-1 synergistic inhibition by reverse transcriptase mutations. Biochem. 45:7334-40.


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LSU SportShop to Hold Graduation Sale on Friday
Published: December 07, 2012, 05:56 PM (CT)
by Caroline Downer, Student Assistant SID
BATON ROUGE, La. - The LSU SportShop will kick-off its bi-annual graduation sale Friday, Dec. 14 at 9 a.m. next to the main store on North Stadium Dr. and remain open until 3 p.m.
There will be large discounts on various clothing that includes t-shirts and sweatshirts, hats, shoes and many other Tiger accessories.
Highlighting the sale will be LSU football helmets offered for $225 each, authentic LSU football jerseys for only $50 each and 2012 season rivalry cleats for $75 each.
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The 3D printing revolution is here! In�this week's episode�of Hardwired 2.0, watch me tour�MakerBot Studios�and uncover the latest innovations in 3D printing technology. I couldn't believe all of the products printed using MakerBot's printers�from figurines to robotic hands to shoes. Amazing, right?! I first met with MakerBot's CEO�Bre Pettis�to learn all about the process. 3D printing uses fused deposition modeling, which is basically a fancy robotically controlled hot glue gun. The printers feed a�PLA filament�through the hot tip on the printer to draw the object one layer at a time, which makes these products typically more affordable than traditional manufacturing. I also got to learn about the�Robohand project, which makes prosthetic hands for only $5! Next, I met with�Francis Bitonti�to see how designers are using 3D printing to revolutionize the fashion world. Think custom designer gowns for only $400! He recently made a couture�3D printed dress�for fashion icon Dita von Teese. So excited to see what's next in the world of 3D printing. What would you print with a 3D printer? Join the conversation by tweeting me�@aoloriginals,�@ijustine,#AOLHardwired, @gethardwired Article originally appeared on The Huffington Post.� This article originally appeared as on Spry Living


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Wrestling Class Championships set
The winter sports season is coming to a close and that means one thing – it's playoff time.
First up? Wrestling.
This weekend local squads, from large-school Class AA all the way down to small-school Class D, will be competing in the Class Championships, which is the first of three major tournaments (along with the Division I and II state qualifier, and the New York State Public High School Athletic Association State Wrestling Tournament) that make up high school wrestling's grueling postseason.
Regardless of venue or class, each of the championships are slated to begin wrestling at 9 a.m., on Saturday, with the finals tentatively scheduled for 5:30 p.m..
Performing well in this tournament is crucial for all with sectional and state title aspirations, and, according to Fredonia wrestling coach Alex Conti, a good number from the area should find themselves on the podium on Saturday evening, having run the gauntlet and earned a trip to the state qualifier.
"I hope so anyway," he said. "I know we've got a good crew and I think there's quite a few kids from Chautauqua County that could qualify. I think we've got a lot of good chances at a lot of different weight classes. But you never know, you've got to be both good and a little bit lucky."
The Class AA tournament, in which Jamestown will be competing, will be held at Lockport High School. Jamestown, ranked No. 7 in the latest large school poll by the Wrestling Review of Western New York, finished the ECIC Division 1 in third place behind its 5-2 record.
Dunkirk, meanwhile, will be competing in the Class A tournament at Starpoint High School. The Marauders moved into Class A because they combined with Silver Creek at the beginning of this season.
Sectional qualifiers from those two tournaments will be competing in the Division I state qualifier at the University at Buffalo on Feb. 10.
In Class B, only Westfield-Ripley-Chautauqua Lake will be representing the area. The Class B Championships will be held at East Aurora High School.
Participating in that tournament will be quite the leap, especially considering that, had they not combined, the wrestlers on each individual squad would normally be taking part in the Class D Championship.
WRCL, ranked fourth amongst small schools, is ready for the jump in competition, however, says assistant coach Lee Gilmore. They even expect to win the tournament outright.
"We'll actually be the second-smallest school in Class B," he explained, "but I definitely think we're ready. Coach (Brad) Rowe, myself and the other coaches sat down recently and looked it over, and we think we've got a really good shot of winning it."
Four area squads will be vying for both individual and team success in the Class C Championship to be held at Eden High School.
Fredonia, the second-ranked small school, boasts six wrestlers who are ranked No. 1 in all of Western New York for their respective weight classes. They are Pat McCarthy (113 pounds), Dakota Gardner (126), Tyler Cassidy (132), Jude Gardner (145), Zach Buckley (170) and Chris Saden (220).
"We had a couple of guys (from the area) that graduated last year that were very good," Gilmore said, "but I think there are just as many up-and-coming kids this year. The Gardners from Fredonia, both will probably go to states and do exceptionally well and Pat McCarthy is very good also, so there's a lot of kids that could do very well."
Along with Fredonia is Southwestern, led by Ryan Hetrick, who ranked third at 99 pounds behind a nearly perfect 38-1 record this season, Cattaraugus-Little Valley/Pine Valley and Gowanda.
Last, but certainly not least, is the Class D Championship, which will be held at Portville High School. Headlining the 12-team tournament is Falconer, which recently captured its second consecutive Chautauqua-Cattaraugus Athletic Association Division 1 title by toppling rival Fredonia.
The Golden Falcons went a perfect 7-0 in league meets this season, and are currently the top-ranked small school in Western New York.
Also competing in Class D will be Division 3 champion Maple Grove, and Frewsburg, Cassadaga Valley, Panama, Randolph and Salamanca.
All of the small-school qualifiers will battle for a sectional title and a state tournament berth at the Division II state qualifier on Feb. 10 at the University at Buffalo.
And Conti is expecting big things the rest of the way.
"I went through and looked at the different weight classes and I really think that in every class we have someone that has the ability to get on the podium," he said. "I have some really high hopes for all the small schools in Section 6."


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Yamaha SR250 Brat 'Diavoletta' which Milo Marcer built for Nicci to terrorise the streets of Cape Town with.
Giniel De Villiers has final Dakar testing in his Hallspeed Toyota in Upington, Northern Cape on 17 November, 2015
I shot some portraits last week of a gaming crew called F3AR Ad3PT who play Call Of Duty. It's quite an obvious approach but I figured it'd be fun to light them from underneath as if lit by laptop / tablet etc. It's also the way comic book villains are lit which makes it kind of relevant if you consider these guys are killing people for fun.
Red Bull X-Fighters returned to the Union Buildings this past weekend for the fourth stop on the 2015 World Tour. I arrived a few days early, met the course builders and shot portraits of the international sculptors. The rest of the images are pretty much an assortment of action from the weekend. Congratulations to Tom Pagés of France for putting together flawless runs all day and making himself untouchable. Check out these links for all the real info written by those in the know – I'm just about the eye candy
I've been getting pretty frustrated lately. Stuck in a rut of self doubt and clouded direction feeding the retched low self esteem monster. My comfort zone being too familiar and therefore stifling. Examining the relationship between ambition and ego and whether all of these thoughts are actually worth giving a fuck about at all. Where's the balance between play and success and what does success even mean? It's all so tiresome and I remind myself to take it all with a pinch of salt and return my focus to the smell and touch of the present.
So I decided to change things up and shoot some analogue again. The fact Thoban Jappie from Mobile Media Mob had a Leica M6 with 35mm and 50mm lenses for me made me, well rather excited and motivated to say the least. Red Bull had a basketball event called King of the Rock which took place Constitution Hill in Johannesburg which I got to cover. Craig Kolesky was the official photographer so I was totally freed up to just shoot what I wanted. Now I know these cameras are status symbols and all that but what's really got me sold was the whole range finder experience. It's so different to my DSLR. The experience of taking the photos became so much fun. Then there's the anxiety of waiting to see if any of the pics came out. I woke up on Sunday morning feeling hungover and only later realised my drained state was from having to pay so much attention to what I was doing the whole day. The slow process of each shot was a great departure from usual habits and I'm pretty damn psyched on how many shots I got that I like.
You can see the Red Bull feature here which includes Thoban Jappie's first event edit which I think its terrific. Can't wait to see what he does next. He has a great way of interpreting ideas and conceptualising really engaging content. Now back to me and the results:
Durban's infamous videographer, DOP, ex video editor and stubborn "intellectual" Jimmy Reynolds likes planes and windy cliffs. Here's proof:
Some headshot from the first Instagram #CPTnaaitz evening we had last week. Basically a couple of us roaming the streets at night taking photos. Check out the hashtag in instagram. Rad
A few months back I got to shoot with PnKi and DaBruin from fuck-knows-what-to-call-it-genre-of-music outfit BFAKE for the Red Bulletin Magazine. The guys are also involved a Cape Flats skateboard movement /brand called 20sk8. I got to hang out with the guys whilst in the process of recording their new album which they've just released in Holland. They sent me through the video. Give it a listen.. it's unlike anything you know and it's catchy. Some of the tracks I got a sneak peak to were really dope and I look forward to hearing them fully mastered. Anyway's check them out and watch them live. Just don't take it seriously, or do, be yourself I guess. I'm lost and rambling again. arrrgh… here are some photos:
This year started out full speed and has had me trying to play catchup since. I've been to Mauritius, watched my best friend get married to his soulmate in the garden of their house surrounded by more colour than a Holi Fest and recently I worked on a stills shoot for Staud Studios via Orange Films and had one of the most inspiring work trips of my life. I took along my Nikon F90X (my first camera) and two roles of TMax 400 B&W film and fired off a few snaps along the way. Great thing about having a blog, even though I hardly keep it updated enough, is that I have a place to publish things like this. Makes spending the money of the film that much more worth it. So here's some analogue glimpses into my past.


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Skip to comments.GOP's biggest misunderstanding about Obamacare-think it will be universal. Problem is the opposite
Posted on 10/12/2013 5:40:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The battle for universal healthcare is not over. This is not because of the reason you might suspect that Republicans will obstinately endeavor to obstruct Obamacare in every way they can (though that seems to be the case). Instead, even after the smoke clears from the government shutdown (presumably with the law intact), the battle over universal healthcare will still not be over, but for a more fundamental reason: Obamacare, whatever its advantages (and despite the rights worst fears), does not create a system of universal healthcare.
Now first, to be clear, this is not to say that Obamas Affordable Care Act wont help many people. The uninsured who become eligible for coverage through the expansion of Medicaid, for example, will of course be better off assuming they dont live in one of the 20 or more states that have callously elected to deny them this potentially lifesaving opportunity. Additionally, many uninsured who were previously unable to afford private health insurance may now be able to do so, for instance through the new income-based premium subsidies. And most of us will benefit from many of the laws insurance reforms, like the one that prevents insurers from denying us coverage because we are sick.
And at the same time, have no doubt: The various Republican alternatives for American healthcare would be disastrous. Consider the most recent GOP healthcare proposal H.R. 3121, which would gut state insurance regulations, eliminate popular ACA reforms like the ban on preexisting conditions, end the Medicaid expansion, and provide tax benefits that would preferentially benefit the wealthy, among other unhelpful proposals that would do nothing to help the uninsured. Conservative consumer-driven healthcare dreams, more generally, would in truth be nightmares, radically furthering the transformation of healthcare into yet another commodity....
(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...
Not only that, it's insurance not care. You have to find a hospital or doctor that will accept it. Then too, there's a $6,500 deductible.
I can believe there no big deal being made about muslims being exempted.
Many of the plans I've heard about have double and triple that or more, in deductibles. Read the whole thing. He's crying because it's not a British style NHS program.
The Right hates Obamacare because it is governmental interference in things that the government should not be involved with. Universal or not.
Just wondering if people started saying they're muslim .... the whole plan will fail because nobody will sign up. (I use the lower case "m" for muslim on purpose)
Obamacare only needs to remain in force long enough for the next Democrat president and congressional majority to be replaced by top down socialized medicine.
Supposedly that's a hoax, but it sure sounds like him. I did find this:
In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:
In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individuals status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.
Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274
Now what's curious about this tidy little insertion is that it's primarily designed for religious groups such as the Amish. But add a wrinkle here — for Muslims, modern health care systems are a bit more akin to "gambling" — which is haram or forbidden in Islam. Liberty and Pride explains:
There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is haraam, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.
What's fascinating about this is while Christian business owners and organizations — most notably the Catholic Church, Domino's Pizza, and Hobby Lobby — are fighting for their very lives resisting the violations of religious conscience in Obamacare, apparently Islam got a free pass.
I would not trust anything on Salon, and if you read anything there, certainly take it with a shaker full of salt.
He's mad as he should be because he was sold a pig in a poke. He's mad at us for not going along with it, even though it isn't what he thought it would be.
Has he not noticed that poor people have gotten medical care long before he or Obama came along? How did that happen when the Kenyan Messiah had not yet come?
Amish or Christian Scientist probably gives you a lower chance of going to hell...
Most on the Right are not against ZeroCare because of some esoteric "universality". It's because it isn't about healthcare at all, it's about control over people's lives and control over the economy. End of story.
Saying is one thing, believing is another. When asked you just say you're a muslim.
Bingo again.
Either this writer is lying or doesn't understand the first thing about insurance.
Insurance is the antithesis of "preexisting condition".
A few things that the Salon article got wrong. The policies on the Obamacare exchanges are not cheaper in most cases, even with the subsidies and there are huge deductibles that young healthy insureds will never reach unless they suffer some type of catastrophic event.
Then is states that have agreed to expand medicaid coverage to people up to $60,000/year, the insurance companies offering policies on the exchange are very few because all those young healthy potential insurers will be not be buying policies because they will be on medicaid. I read that in one of the most populous counties in AZ, there was only one company offering coverage and it was very expensive.
Third, the most egregious problem with Obamacare is the rationing board that dictates what services you will receive, not what services will be covered, but what services your doctors will offer. This means that it is the doctors who will ration the care, not the insurance companies. You can have the best insurance coverage in the country, but if your doctors sign on the Obamacare guidelines, you won't receive any better treatment or more thorough testing than people on medicaid, no matter how much you pay.
Today I heard an apparent schoolteacher bitching about what I thought was his union-approved insurance deductible, but now I wonder if it was actually about Zerocare.
Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
Oh, the fallout will hit us all, even those of us relatively insulated from the disaster.
I can telll right away, this guy's too bright to be a mere human.
We know it's "not universal health care" it just wants to be when it grows up and runs every effing aspect of everybody effing life.
It's the first crank of the vise.
Obama is to healthcare what Stalin was to Ukrainian agriculture. The idea is that the system is perfect but the people are flawed. While millions starved in the Ukraine, Stalin believed it was because they were resisting change or were just counter-revolutionary. Regardless of how much damage and pain Obamacare inflicts in terms of job loss, increased costs and degradation of services, fault in the fundamental plan will never be considered.
The US currently spends 17.9% of its total GDP on health services
This figure is projected to rise in the near future by about another 1% due to the populations aging and a further 3% due to the growing incidence of chronic illnesses. Anticipated increases would raise the nations healthcare costs to an unsustainable 22% of GDP, crowding out spending for other goods and services.
By contrast, the Netherlands spends 12% of its GDP on healthcare; Switzerland, Germany, France, and Canada about 11%; New Zealand 10%; Sweden 9.4%; and the United Kingdom 9.3%. As we travel through these countries, there is frequently a clear, if anecdotal, perception that people are healthier than in the US.
And the data backs up that perception. The US spends more money on healthcare because we are in fact far less healthy on average than the rest of the developed world. This difference is in large part due to poor lifestyle choices, but the good news is there are programs that have clearly and conclusively demonstrated that this difference is reversible. Changing behavior, while it will be difficult, can result in significant cost savings. In fact, changing behavior may allow us to spend more on education, social programs, and even defense. http://www.mauldineconomics.com/editorial/thoughts-from-the-frontline-the-road-to-a-new-medical-order
A target would be around 10 %.
This is a link to the complete article http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/thoughts_from_the_frontline/archive/2013/10/07/the-road-to-a-new-medical-order.aspx
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quote:i wish there was a "best of the white album" for casual listeners. half of the songs can turn anyone off in a heartbeat.
Really? I mean, I know that die-hard Beatles fans would have a more open-mind to Beatles songs than the "casual" fan. But I am VERY hard-pressed to think of many BAD songs on the White Album. And definitely not HALF.


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Unique Bridal Hairstyle
How about going for something a little more extravagant on that special day of yours. Who ever said that a wedding hairstyle needs to be princess-like with long loose curls.. Well here is one unique approach for women with long hair who want something totally different or even fake the short hairdo by throwing everything up into a beautiful pushed forward updo.
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