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Tuesday, 29 June 2010
Get your United season ticket at.... errrr.... White Hart Lane?
This is the email that members received today:
Note the lack of green and gold (so before January), in fact note the t-shirts (so not a photo from the harsh winter months)....
Note the.... errrr..... blue chair.... note Anderson on the pitch (and relatively up with play too).....
And suddenly you realise that the razor sharp Glazer marketing machine is trying to offload season tickets at Old Trafford with photos of..... errrr...... United away at White Hart Lane on September 12th 2009 (the third goal by Rooney in case you wondered).....
Thanks goodness these brilliant people are in charge of our club.
102 comments:
HAHAHAHA!!! Well spotted mate! Made me giggle.
- 30 June 2010 at 11:34
Doesn't look like the bloke over Anderson's right shoulder is enjoying his time at the "Theatre of Dreams"!!!!
- 30 June 2010 at 12:13
Lets hear Red Devil explain this embarassing marketing faux pas............
- 30 June 2010 at 18:28
I think the photo has appeal for a number of reasons but the absence of green and gold had to be a clincher and you can bet your season ticket (or your mortgage if you prefer) there's a "LUHG" T-shirt somewhere under the huge "Get your seat" sign.
- 30 June 2010 at 20:32
I doubt it, they just had to go through god knows how many shots of the crowd to find one of people enjoying themselves.
Funny enough it's an away (imagine that) however as with most things United these days, just look at the state of that lot.
Team of mooparts
- 30 June 2010 at 22:24
That's pretty funny :).
I have to say I've read a lot of people saying that the Glazer's have brought incredible financial expertise to the club (although I'd love to see the figures split into actual commercial dealings vs just ticket price increases and TV revenue which they have no control over) and that these expertise outweigh or redress the balance of the negatives associated with the ownership of the club.
I personally think this is utter BS. Surely most fans would agree that it can't be rocket science, negotiate dealings with foreign companies when you have a brand such as MU. The majority of these extra deals seem to come from Asia/US/Arab countries where football has only really become huge business in the past 5 years and to fail to tap these markets would be nothing short of moronic.
Essentially what I'm saying is: does any fan really think that MU as a PLC would have failed to recognise the opportunities in these markets and would therefore have kept the commercial revenue stagnant whilst all other large clubs were tapping said markets?
- 1 July 2010 at 01:02
@ Finneh
The only person who thinks commercial revenue has increased massively compared to matchday/media revenue is Red Devil.
Don't expect much insight from him though.
He refuses to accept the numbers on the financial statements - since 2006, Matchday revenue is up £37.5m, media revenue is up £54.2m and commercial revenue is up only £21.4m.
Instead, per Red Devil, commercial revenues increases have been huge - Red Devil will quote an unverifiable figure (one certainly not seen on the fin stats) of £200m in deals over 3 years.
- 1 July 2010 at 19:47
Here we go, brace yourselves for more written diarrhoea of the Red Devil kind..........
- 2 July 2010 at 09:17
With a heavy heart and after nearly 50 years of attending OT, I decided enough was enough and it was time to give up our 2 season tickets for this coming campaign.
After all the talk from Gill et al that season ticket sales were good, I was still surprised to receive a letter from the TO this morning advising that the seats are still available.
No, I'm not even remotely tempted. I firmly beleive that we need to starve the parasites and the "body" will reject them eventually.
- 2 July 2010 at 12:12
- The Red Devil said...
@all - Jaysus - Why is it all "as per Red Devil"???
I haven't made this stuff up. I am only quoting what I read for myself.
Here's a few others:-
How many more do you want me to quote?
I'm sorry if you think that this is just me making stuff up but...
Please don't anybody ask me any questions about this. I am just making this one post on here.
People ask me questions, I reply and then get slammed for saying too much. So I won't be doing it anymore.
- 2 July 2010 at 20:45
@ Red Devil
You truly are hilarious. The people making the claims are David Gill and sources close to the owners.
Let's believe them - sure it's not in their interest to provide spin.
At the end of the day, the plc had ONE deal of £300m with Nike - the total time for that deal is 13 years.
It's funny how little information we have on these £200m deals, e.g. does it include the Aon deal and over what periods are the deals?
For example, you could say the increase in shirt sponsor revenue is £24m over 4 years or £6m a year - but David Gill is unlikely to spin it that is he?
No, it has to be a total,blanket, unverifiable figure of £200m.
- 2 July 2010 at 21:37
- The Red Devil said...
Ole1999 - the tone of your comments are pure Andy Green.
"You truly are hilarious." - that is exactly how Anders opens his posts.
I think Anders makes up pseudonyms and Anonymous aliases on here to back up his claims.
"The people making the claims are David Gill and sources close to the owners."
If anyone around here is qualified to comment on sponsorship deals, surely it is David Gill?
No, sorry. YOU are completely hilarious.
What you are saying is, "Don't believe the people who actually do the deals and know exactly what is going on with the finances. Believe me instead."
Sorry. No can do, Anders.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:24
@ Red Devil
You are always the one who gives out when people say you are a paid Glazer goon.
And now you make this outrageous claim yourself.
I am NOT Andy Green and nor do I claim to be.
Go back to the thread about the upfront cash received from the Aon deal where I politely disagree with Anders about his view.
You can't provide a counter-argument with a breakdown of the deals in question, so you have to resort to these lies.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:38
@ Red Devil
You are always the one who gives out when people say you are a paid Glazer goon.
And now you make this outrageous claim yourself.
I am NOT Andy Green and nor do I claim to be.
Go back to the thread about the upfront cash received from the Aon deal where I politely disagree with Anders about his view.
You can't provide a counter-argument with a breakdown of the deals in question, so you have to resort to these lies.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:38
- The Red Devil said...
You're Anders. Prove otherwise.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:41
- The Red Devil said...
"You can't provide a counter-argument with a breakdown of the deals in question"
Manchester United say that they have been done. It is for you to prove they haven't, Anders.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:43
- The Red Devil said...
Not nice, is it Anders?
- 2 July 2010 at 23:46
@ Red Devil
I refer you to a previous point made by YOU:
"29 June 2010 13:43
The Red Devil said...
@Choccy - The burden of proof is on the accuser. I cannot be asked to prove a negative, that is an impossibility.
What would you regard as satisfactory proof?
Would you like to go to a court of law with me and stand in the dock and make your accusation?
I would be more than willing to do this any day you like.
29 June 2010 14:04"
I would be more than happy to go to court over this, if you are.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:46
- The Red Devil said...
Ouch. Rapid response unit. You protest too much.
The difference is, people were saying I stood to gain financially from my stance. What have I cost you if my claims are wrong?
You're not in this for the money, after all.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:49
- The Red Devil said...
"That's a hilarious comment, real sixth form debating society stuff!"
A quote from an opening line by Anders on Redcafe on 23rd June 2010.
Sound familiar? I can find more examples.
- 2 July 2010 at 23:57
- The Red Devil said...
Teehee... all good fun... just a bit of Ole1999 baiting, you understand. Otherwise you would go into one of your bullshit posts full of drivel.
- 3 July 2010 at 00:18
- The Red Devil said...
I belive the Glazers did anothe deal today with Thomas Cook btw.
It's probably not true though and even if it is, we probably got nothing out of it.
- 3 July 2010 at 00:20
I think it's about time that Anders/Ole1999 wrote a blog article about United's ever increasing commercial and sponsorship revenue. In their March bond issue research note J.P.Morgan estimated that United's commercial revenue will have risen to £120m by 2014/15 and admit that the club think they'll out perform that projection. That is an extra £50m a year based on the £70m achieved in 2008/09 which is extremely impressive growth by anyone's standard. The key point about this additional revenue is that the sponsorship deals have a profit margin of c.95%.
This growth in commercial revenue is absolutely fundamental to the future success of Manchester United and yet what does Anders say about it? He says the sponsorship deals are ''Nice-to-have'' but not that significant. That is an absolutely ludicrous statement and is impossible to take seriously by anyone with a decent understanding of the club's financials.
It's time to come clean, Mr Green.
- 3 July 2010 at 01:54
@ Ole1999
A reconciliation for the 200M:
AIG - 56M shirt, plus 5M a year 5-year MU Finance deal
AON - 80M shirt
Nike - 32M
So that leaves about 7m short of 200M. Surely the 20 additional partners cover that 7m and a bit more?
- 3 July 2010 at 05:01
@ EastStand
"commercial revenue will have risen to £120m by 2014/15"
This is the best-case scenario under JP Morgan's report.
A more accurate assessment of their predictions (and that's all they are) is that the range will be £93m to £120m. This gives them scope to be wrong by £27m a year!!
BTW, JP Morgan really know their football - they predicted that England would win the world cup - how did that work out for them?
- 3 July 2010 at 09:39
Red Devil said "People ask me questions, I reply and then get slammed for saying too much. So I won't be doing it anymore."
Didn't last long did it mate? No surprise there. Beats me why you post here, why not just stick to your own excellent blog?
- 3 July 2010 at 11:04
- The Red Devil said...
I'll gladly come and read yours if you tell em the url.
Oh, I forgot, I'm already here, aren't I Anders?
- 3 July 2010 at 11:29
- The Red Devil said...
@ole1999/Anders - "BTW, JP Morgan really know their football - they predicted that England would win the world cup - how did that work out for them?"
What a pathetic argument. My twelve year old son could do better than that.
- 3 July 2010 at 11:36
United continue to sign new commercial deals, wow, we haven't done that before! Why didn't the PLC think of that! Them Glazers sure are geniuses. I hope other clubs don't cotton onto this idea of sponsorships!
*end of sarcasm*
In the 5 years pre-Glazer commercial revenues grew 150%
In the first 5 years of the Glazer regime commercial revenues have grown 50%
- 3 July 2010 at 12:48
Wow, stupidity won the day. Amazingly evident the herd of followers IQ is less than a dead clock.
- 3 July 2010 at 14:18
- andersred said...
Red Devil - have you lost all sense of reason? Why would I make up aliases? Why would I make up aliases and then argue with myself?
The Thomas Cook deal had already been announced. I notice you can now book "match breaks" to Old Trafford throught Thomas Cook. For the scousers game, a double room in the Novotel on 18 Sep and two tickets in East Stand Tier 2 will cost £548. Laterooms show the same room for £115 so that's £215+ per ticket (plus free programme).... There's a word for that... oh yes, "touting".
- 3 July 2010 at 17:24
- The Red Devil said...
@Anders - It seems wild and baseless accusations about a person's background, motives and identity are the way it's done around here so I was just joining in with the spirit of the blog really.
Strictly speaking, "touting" is the resale of a ticket for higher than face value. I don't think it is possible for Manchester United to "tout" their own tickets.
The room without a ticket is exactly that. A room without a ticket. If you want the guaranteed ticket for the match AND the room, you pay a premium.
It is up to the customer to decide if he/she wishes to pay that premium.
- 3 July 2010 at 20:29
RD said "The room without a ticket is exactly that. A room without a ticket. If you want the guaranteed ticket for the match AND the room, you pay a premium.
It is up to the customer to decide if he/she wishes to pay that premium."
A ticket outside the ground from a tout is exactly that, a ticket guaranteed. If you want the guaranteed ticket you pay a premium.
That's not touting either then is it?
- 3 July 2010 at 23:31
- The Red Devil said...
As I said, touting is the RESALE of a ticket.
Just let me say that again.
RESALE. Get it?
Big difference. Crucial difference. The difference between being a tout and not being a tout, in fact.
- 3 July 2010 at 23:59
@ Red Devil
I don't think anders meant touting in the literal sense. The word tout was used as Manchester United were selling their ticket at ticket tout prices hence the usage of the term. As the price for a ticket in this offer is effectively £215 per ticket (for a Liverpool game) I don't think it is unreasonable to describe it as ticket touting rates.
- 4 July 2010 at 00:16
- The Red Devil said...
@monsta666 - No, sorry, he didn't say it was "ticket touting rates", he said it was "touting".
The point being that when you take Anders away from a spreadsheet, he doesn't have the first clue about what he is talking about.
- 4 July 2010 at 00:26
It's official, Red Devil has lost the plot. Rewind to the point where he seems to break and I think we'll all see what has really ruffled his feathers...
- 4 July 2010 at 03:49
If Red Devil really works for the Glazer's and his task is to convince people to go against Andy's view point then he has failed - miserably. But if his plan is to distract and bore people to death with his inane drivel then he has succeeded - spectacurlarly. I visit this site to see what Andy has to say about what's going on with the management of our club but I, too find myself drawn into his drivel and maybe others are deterred because they don't see this as a place for serious comment on the the MUFC owners.
- 4 July 2010 at 03:57
By the way, the fact that Anders know what he's talking about when it conmes to spreadsheets gives me great comfort but also insight and guidance as to how to view MUFC financial results, reports and official club statements so i don't seem some patronising no-mark criticising his comment style, use of the english language, position of commas/semi-colons 'on my behalf', I'm quite capbale of doing that myself and keeping to the real issues i.e. Manchester United's finances and policies, which both appear to be quite scandalous, no matter what you say about aliases and what petty arguments you magically pluck out of nowhere.
- 4 July 2010 at 04:05
Rather than getting bogged down in the semantics of defening 'touting', I suggest we call it scalping, which is the American term, and as the Glazers are Yanks, very appropriate.
- 4 July 2010 at 09:19
- The Red Devil said...
Ha ha.
I think you will find it was Anders who felt the need to pluck the "touting" thing out of nowhere.
It was, as usual, a very specific word used because of the negative connotation attached to it.
I just call it the business of Making more money for Manchester United.
Surely a good thing? No?
It's not me who has lost the plot.
- 4 July 2010 at 10:23
The Thomas Cook package prices certainly live up to the 'no value in the market' claim
- 4 July 2010 at 11:04
- andersred said...
Hey Red Devil,
I'll happily concede that it's "touting prices" not "touting" under Section 166 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994!
I just thought it was ironic that this exciting new corporate relationship with Thomas Cook comes with official price gouging included... I know all the big clubs do these packages and the previous partner, Cooperative Sports Travel offered something similar.
- 4 July 2010 at 11:56
Is a disgraceful price, manipulating fans? YES! ....Next!
- 4 July 2010 at 13:37
- The Red Devil said...
Hey, don't get me wrong. I think you'd have to be a bit of a numpty to buy that package at that price but numpties are ten a penny.
I just don't see it as a bad thing because I am a filthy capitalist whilst most people on here are saintly socialists so I would expect disagreement.
What's the worst that could happen? The package doesn't get sold and so the room and the tickets have to go on general sale at the normal, individual and unpackaged rate.
For the sake of a bit of space on a website, it's got to be worth a punt.
- 4 July 2010 at 19:12
You've kept quite about the breakdown of commercial revenues I mentioned above. Easily covering the 200m you and Anders keep mentioning are imaginary figures.
Come on Mr. Vested Interests, tell me how wrong my breakdown of your supposedly imaginary 200m is.
- 5 July 2010 at 03:39
@ Anonymous
First off ... I used the word "unverifiable" not "imaginary". Big difference.
Second ... the sources are David Gill and other sources close to the owners. In Red Devil's quest for "fair and balanced" information, not exactly either now are they.
Third ... the key here is the breakdown for the number of years in the deals. Then we can see how much EXTRA revenue the Glazers have actually provided to United through the commercial wing so that we can compare to the EXTRA costs they've brought.
Fourth ... if those REALLY are the numbers you should actually be thankful I've keep quiet on them.
- 5 July 2010 at 08:58
- The Red Devil said...
@Ole1999 - Admit it. You guys love me! :) You just can't stop bringing my name into it.
When I asked for a bit of fairness and balance, this is the kind of thing I meant.
If this was a downside to the Glazers' ownership, you would be all over it like a rash. Anders would be digging the dirt and leaving no stone unturned in his quest for "the truth".
Because it is a possible upside, you are not seeking to "verify" it. You don't want to even acknowledge that it is there and anyone who takes the reports coming from OT about the size of the commercial deals (the £200m) is merely ridiculed.
Fair? Balanced?
- 5 July 2010 at 13:51
Ole and Anders,
Your vested interests in this whole spectacle is rather obvious. You are a bunch of knobs who think they know it all, and who align themselves with the same JO who is considered one of the biggest rats in the IB world. Yes, how apt to align yourselves with the same GS which has destroyed more value than it has created in the last few years.
How you mislead the naive into siding with your drama oriented analysis points to the work of con artists.
- 5 July 2010 at 16:28
A lie repeated enough times will sound like the truth. Won't it Mr. Anders!
- 5 July 2010 at 17:02
- andersred said...
It's like having a tramp camped out in my garden having you on here Anonymous....
I'll give you some slack before I start deleting your rubbish in the hope you'd like to debate things.
This is what I wrote (in response to RD) about the £200m (at 17.08 on 29th June on the "How long do you have to wait on the "waiting list"?" comment section):
Your defence of the £200m is cute. I'm not disputing the number incidentally, I (and you) have no way of knowing its veracity, unlike every number I ever publish, it can't be verified. I assume it's includes both the Aon deal (c. £80m) plus the AIG deal (c. £56m) leaving £64m in deals achieved in five years but covering a similar period. Let's assume they cover 5 years too, that's £13m per annum in new sponsorship deals. Some will be needed to replace old ones (notice how we have replaced our "betting partner" for example) and some will be in addition. That's a decent amount of money, but even if two thirds are new money, that's only £9m per annum or 3% of annual turnover. Two thirds of the £64m is required just to pay the swap loss of course.
The Nike deal won't be included as the step up in income was set in the original (plc era) contract.
You refer to the £5m, 5 year AIG/MU Finance deal but I think that was the "potential" return which can't have been achieved as there is no mention of personal finance income anywhere in the bond prospectus.
I have no idea what this "vested interest" crap is about, I don't know what "JO" stands for, is "GS" Goldman Sachs? Are you referring to Keith Harris in those ramblings?
- 5 July 2010 at 17:24
Can i praise The Red Devil for his work on trying to counter all this negative posting in relation to The Glazer family Ownership of Our Club.
However Andy you too must be praised for your work in uncovering the various problems the Glazer Family face in the USA
However the Glazers are the Owners of our club and will remain so for the considerable future given the complete failure of the Green and Gold campaign and the disapperance of the Red Knights.
Perhaps Andy you could explain to the Ordinary fan in the same detail as you cover the glazer family Who the Red Knights where???
- 5 July 2010 at 17:47
Ah, would you get off the fence and tell us what you really think of us.
I would respond to your comments about the matter at hand ... being the extra revenue brought in by the commercial wing.
But, there weren't any, so what can ya do??
- 5 July 2010 at 20:12
I havent been convinced that the whole anti Glazer thing,I think many fans have been frightened into supporting the whole MUST campaign,which the Glazers through David Gill smashed inside of week.However i find that although Andy is Known to be on MUST side of the debate he has presented Facts in a very fan friendly way and will have my respect along with Red Devil who questions the facts presented for the Benifit of All Our Fans
- 5 July 2010 at 20:57
Anders your due diligence is skewed. Based on your past responses, you only debate matters selectively, so I am surprised you want me to jump on the debate wagon. We both know your presentations are structured to create maximum drama and impact. Balanced reporting is definitely not in your vocabulary. I am surprised you haven't recreated Fergie's "No Value" quotes.
Ole can you spin it a bit further! Repeated lies can become the truth.
Fergie says "No Value" everyone thinks coz MU is broke. Red Knights say "No Value" and everyone thinks they are spot on.
- 5 July 2010 at 22:05
If you keep on repeating "Repeated lies can become the truth" do you actually think it will come true??
- 5 July 2010 at 23:22
- The Red Devil said...
Blimey! What's going on here?
- 5 July 2010 at 23:39
Acting surprised are we, Red Devil? You got some positive comments from "someone" so it's obvious what you've done.
While all looks healthy, red and rosy on the outside, Manchester United Football Club is rotting from the inside due to these earwig intruders and you lot are failing to look the facts in the face when they're staring right at you.
- 6 July 2010 at 00:08
- The Red Devil said...
Haha - I know you would like to think so but, I swear on my son's life, I am not responsible for those comments.
I put my name to everything I post (oh, ok then, I admit, I did post the one on the other thread about living in a cave, that was me - it was just my little joke.)
Could it be that others are twigging on to the fact that all is not as it seems around here?
I think you will find that "anonymous" ramblers supporting Anders still outnumber "anonymous" ramblers opposing Anders by about 100 to 1.
Go figure. Well, YOU started it.
- 6 July 2010 at 00:34
- The Red Devil said...
@Anders - "I have no idea what this 'vested interest' crap is about"
Welcome to my world. Nice isn't it?
Can you PROVE it though?
- 6 July 2010 at 00:51
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- 6 July 2010 at 09:14
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- 6 July 2010 at 09:30
Can i just ask where has the Red Knights/MUST gone??For weeks they where all over the media and then when the Glazers launched there PR operation and they disappear.Perhaps Andy you could give your view on why the Red Knights takeover plans collapsed so quickly.Just so we the ordinary fan can understand the goings on better
- 6 July 2010 at 09:44
- andersred said...
They haven't gone anywhere. If the Glazers won't sell at a sensible price nothing will happen will it?
No doubt they'll sell at some point and then we'll see.
- 6 July 2010 at 09:58
I cannot understand why(perhaps someone with more experience will explain)why people think that the Glazers are overvaluing our club?I believe that it is the red knights who have undervalue our club.When one looks at the cadburys recent takeover is our club/brand not on the same if not greater value than that?
- 6 July 2010 at 10:22
- andersred said...
Any purchaser of any football club will have their own view on what the club is worth. "Brands" have value only in terms of the income they generate. For example, the "andersred" brand isn't worth anything at all despite being recognisable to United fans as it doesn't generate any money.
You can't just look at the price paid for a business like Cadburys and conclude that United is worth more. Kraft paid 13x EBITDA for Cadburys primarily because it wanted Cadburys' growth. You have to appraise United's growth profile and the risks to profits (cost inflation, performance on the pitch etc etc) over the next few years. Forbes used a multiple of 14x to value United. Is that right of wrong? Who knows, it's a matter of opinion.
Like I said before, the RKs will have their view on value and the Glazers will have theirs. Let's wait and see.
- 6 July 2010 at 10:49
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- 6 July 2010 at 14:11
Thanks for your response anders although i fail to agree with some of your views and would tend to support the red devils view on things But you must be commended on the work you have done in order to better inform the fans
- 6 July 2010 at 17:17
"although i fail to agree with some of your views"
It's very simple then, put a counter argument to Andys comments and analysis. And by counter argument I mean based in fact, not "well I don't think so" or "I don't agree". For example, Andy has told you how Forbes calculated the value of United. You seem to think that is nonsense (even though JP Morgan, the Glazers bankers, agree with that valuation). So tell us why you think different. Explain how YOU calculate the value of United. Also explain to us why you think it would be good for Manchester United if the RKs, or whoever, paid way above fair value for the club.
- 6 July 2010 at 17:57
The Glazers are business people and will seek a massive return on what is the biggest club in the world.As for all the talk of debts and whatnot i have given an example of people in ireland who owe alot more than the Glazers and continue to return a profit.As for the dream of fan ownership if OUR CLUB is sold then it will be to someone outside of the UK and it will be for a massive return to the Glazers
- 6 July 2010 at 18:27
- The Red Devil said...
@anonymous - "Explain how YOU calculate the value of United."
That isn't really relevant. It is how the Glazers value it.
None of us really know what plans they have afoot for future income generation but I believe strongly that they do have ideas and they are not going to splash them all over the place because they want to steal a march on the competition.
This future potential is clearly a factor when they are deciding how much the club is worth.
I also disagree that a "Brand" is only worth as much as the income it generates.
Well established brands have a certain value because of how they are perceived by the public whether they are making money or not.
I can also tell Anders right now that this very site is worth money - even if he deleted all the content tomorrow.
- 6 July 2010 at 22:09
Agree with Red Devil.Our club is seen by many as a world wide brand that can produce millions of profits from its many millions of fans around the world be it in shirt sales or matchday tickects or MU tv.I look forward to a bright future for OUR club regardless who owns it
- 6 July 2010 at 22:32
That isn't really relevant. It is how the Glazers value it.
Of course it's relevant. A business is worth what it's worth. Of course you could overpay for a business, but then you'd be eating into future earnings to finance that overpay.
Which brings us to the RKs, or any other potential. You seem to want them to overpay for the club. Why? Doesn't make sense. Is it so that you could get some childish internet bragging rights about how much the Man U brand is worth?
Even if we do manage to get rid of your beloved Glazers then it's going to take a long time to repair the damage they've done. Paying over fair value would mean a longer time period to repair that damage.
Even a 'fair value' right now would be risky. Most revenue streams are clearly maxed out. Supporters have been gouged to the limit, and beyond. TV revenues seem to be near maxed out. And there are only so many ways in which you can whore the Man U brand. Then, most importantly, you have the performance of the team. If the succes dries up, and it surely will if we can't compete with the other top clubs in the transfer market, then the business performance will decline rapidly and so will the value of the club.
- 7 July 2010 at 12:13
Red Devil
'I also disagree that a "Brand" is only worth as much as the income it generates.
Well established brands have a certain value because of how they are perceived by the public whether they are making money or not'.
Give us an example of such a brand/company that is making a loss but because it is perceived in a positive light by the public it is therefore worth something......?
- 7 July 2010 at 18:45
- The Red Devil said...
@anonymous - MY valuation of Manchester United is worth sod all. The Glazers are the owners, not me.
As the sellers, they are obviously looking for the highest price, a buyer will obviously be looking for the lowest price.
The end result is usually something in between.
I have no problem with anyone buying Manchester United, whoever they may be, so long as it is a purchase made with fair bargaining on their part and the Glazers.
What I find unethical is for the buyers to use a concerted propaganda campaign based on half-truths, smears and selective reporting to motivate the customers (the fans in this case) to boycott the existing owners' product or service in order to damage the business to the extent that the current sellers are forced to accept a valuation below what it would otherwise be.
- 7 July 2010 at 22:43
- The Red Devil said...
@smith - It's not something I have just made up. It's called Goodwill.
It is to be factored in when buying a business.
- 7 July 2010 at 22:49
Yes the only valuation that matters is that of the Glazer family.As for the Media elements of the Red Knights/MUST camp that has too disappeared after the Glazers launched there own Media campaign
- 7 July 2010 at 22:50
'What I find unethical is for the buyers to use a concerted propaganda campaign based on half-truths, smears and selective reporting to motivate the customers (the fans in this case) to boycott the existing owners' product or service in order to damage the business to the extent that the current sellers are forced to accept a valuation below what it would otherwise be'.
So your entire argument comes down to ethics?
Is it then 'unethical' to buy a previously well run, debt free football club, laden it with debt and then systematically channel funds out of said club to enhance your family's personal wealth to the detriment of tens of thousands of match going, merchandise buying, MUFC loving supporters?.............................YOU CLEARLY AREN'T ONE
Out of all the grade A generic rubbish you post on this blog that has got to be the best yet, quite an achievement.
- 7 July 2010 at 23:06
@ Red Devil
You are the king of "half-truths, smears and selective reporting"
You just don't tell us what your motive is.
- 7 July 2010 at 23:08
Yes I understand the concept of goodwill but name me a successful business where when valuing the aforementioned business the goodwill is greater in monetary terms than a multiple x EBITDA or that of the net value of the company's assets?
Then name me a company making the losses you referred to which is worth any significant sum based on 'positive public perception' of the company's brand?
- 7 July 2010 at 23:19
- The Red Devil said...
@Smith - I am not sure what you are arguing about here.
Do you not think that the very name Manchester United has a value in and of itself regardless of the balance sheet?
Do you not think that future revenue streams that the Glazers are putting into place or may have already put into place have a bearing on their valuation?
I said, "Well established brands have a certain value because of how they are perceived by the public whether they are making money or not."
This very website is probably losing money because, as far as I can see, there are no advertisements on it and it appears to have no other streams of income attached to it.
It does, however, cost Anders in terms of time to maintain and update it.
I could take this website and have it earning money overnight. It is what I do. The reason I could have it earning money is because of its name and reputation.
What's your point?
You're going off on some mad tangent that has absolutely nothing to do with the valuation that the Glazers have of Manchester United.
- 7 July 2010 at 23:40
Quinn Group Ireland it could be argued is worth 1billion with debts of over 2.5billion.As for taking money out of the club surely the Glazers are allowed to do what other business people do and take something out of whatever they own.Yes the Glazers do it in a very public way to OUR CLUB BUT Sean Quinn it is reported transfered 100 million out of his companies to his childern at the height of the tough Finance times in ireland and nobody was jumping up and down.What have the Glazers taken out of the Club in total since they took over,in terms of management fees and what not.Hardly more than 100million in a season anyway!
- 7 July 2010 at 23:43
The only valuation that matters at the end of the Day is that of the Glazer Family.As for taking monies from the club are people trying to say that if the Red Knights tookover they wouldnt take cash from the club in payment for there time and effort if they got control.Every Business person takes something out of any business they own,its just the Glazers do it and they are held up to be so bad for doing what anyother owner would do if they had control of such a Successful Global Football Club/Brand
- 7 July 2010 at 23:49
- The Red Devil said...
@Bose - Essentially, yes. I believe the way the campaign to get the Glazers out is unethical.
"Is it then 'unethical' to buy a previously well run, debt free football club, laden it with debt and then systematically channel funds out of said club to enhance your family's personal wealth to the detriment of tens of thousands of match going, merchandise buying, MUFC loving supporters?.............................YOU CLEARLY AREN'T ONE"
It is perfectly ethical to buy a business that was a PLC by buying up the shares fairly and squarely.
As the owner, it is perfectly ethical to take a cut for yourself.
As for "to the detriment of tens of thousands of fans" - as a fan of Manchester United then I should feel the same as every other fan. Why do I not? Because I am not a fan? Well I most certainly am and I am not going on that pathetic merry-go-round again. You can either take my word for that or just fuck off. I am past trying to be polite and accomodating on that one.
I personally, have received great enjoyment from watching United down the years and the last five years have been up there with the very best.
I'm sorry that your irrational hatred of the Glazers has ruined your enjoyment of the football over the last five years.
I just prefer not to let it ruin mine.
- 7 July 2010 at 23:52
- The Red Devil said...
@anonymous - My motive is the quest for the truth, fairness and balanced reporting of the financial state of Manchester United.
- 7 July 2010 at 23:57
Fair and Balanced reporting of the state of OUR club,it cant all be doom and gloom
- 8 July 2010 at 00:06
Let the RK put a bid in and shut up all those who currently seem to oppose this debt related strategy.
- 8 July 2010 at 00:28
Bose, is there ethics in Investment Bankers, the supposed core in the group of RK's?
- 8 July 2010 at 00:31
No would be the simple answer given the mess they(bankers) helped create
- 8 July 2010 at 00:55
@Patrick you seem more than happy to blame the bankers yet ironically you seem to miss the point with the Glazers , give the common denominator in this story is leverage finance, ironic don't you think ....
- 8 July 2010 at 06:25
"the state of OUR club"
No Patrick, it's no longer OUR club. As Red Devil reminds us it's THEIR club.
- 8 July 2010 at 08:11
Yes it is there brand /club.But that will never stop me or thousands of others flying into manchester to Support OUR Team regardless of who the owners are.I think the Red Knights went about thiings the wrong way.They should have had monies in place long before Keith Harris ran his mouth off to the BBC and whatnot.Instead we were given a running commentary on there collapse and ultimate Failure and in the end we never even got a face saving bid from them at a value they valued our club at.No they just disappeared.But fair play to them for having the Guts to try and get 25 people to buyout or club.It would have been interesting to see how things would or wouldnt change but sure we will never know now
- 8 July 2010 at 08:48
- The Red Devil said...
@anonymous - Spiritually, it might be our club. Legally, it is the Glazers club.
I think you'd have a hard time convincing a judge that you are entitled to any money in United's bank account just because you had been a match-going supporter for the last fifty years.
- 8 July 2010 at 10:49
It's interesting how Patrick arrives soon after Red Devil says his "12 year old son could do better than that"
- 8 July 2010 at 12:06
I have nothing too do with RedDevil that i can assure you.Perhaps you could share your view on the Red Knights failure even with the backing of fans they still Failed to put a bid together
- 8 July 2010 at 12:29
Yes anonymous, this is about leverage finance. So what is more ironic, that I support the current MU scenario, or that you support the MUST/RK scenario?
I guess you were in full support of the too big to fail scenario. Hey maybe the Bankers can turn MU into too big to fail. They seem good at risk analysis.
- 8 July 2010 at 18:07
Anyone have any views on the disapperance of the red knights as the kid from ireland has said
- 8 July 2010 at 18:18
They haven't disappeared. If you know anything about Bankers you should know they don't work between May and August, this is their summer vacation period. They'll be back with a bang in September.
- 8 July 2010 at 18:39
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Skip to comments.Theyre trying to Palinize Marco Rubio (And they'll do it for any Republican candidate as well)
Posted on 11/21/2012 10:02:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
On Twitter yesterday, some of my conservative friends beat me up for writing about Marco Rubios comments to GQ about the Earths age.
Their point was that it was a silly question (it was.) And that it was feeding a liberal meme (it is.)
But the notion that this means we should ignore it is also silly.
In the heat of a campaign, it might be wise to parry such questions and pivot to talking about your strengths. This is called staying on message. But Im not on a campaign. And the election is over.
If there were ever a time to have a serious conversation about such topics, it is now. Sweeping controversial topics under the rug obviously wont help.
Conservatives have another point which is hypocrisy. Remember the time Democratic Rep. Hank Johnson worried that putting more Marines on Guam could cause it to capsize?
And as Slate points out that Barack Obama has ducked a similar question to the one Rubio dodged. But the they do it too! argument isnt an excuse to avoid actually coming up with a coherent worldview that squares God and science.
Because conservatives have willfully allowed this to metastasize liberals have effectively cast Republicans as the anti-science party. For this reason, incidents that seem to confirm this narrative are especially hurtful.
Mark Halperin nailed it on Morning Joe:
Theres one area where Democrats are really far ahead of Republicans right now. Science and technology, no. Its doing this thing that Democrats failed to do in 2000, to stop George W. Bush, which is really, really early on using the left-wing Freak Show to define anyone whos thinking of running for President, as quickly as possible, in negative terms on Twitter, on cable, on the Internet. Theyre all over this Rubio thing because they want to control his image in a negative way and they did it this cycle too. They went after Romney early, it really hurt him. And theyre doing it now.
And so, this is a strategy. Like Sarah Palin in 2008, Democrats view Marco Rubio as a major threat not just for one or two elections but someone who could undermine their advantage among the college educated, the young, and Latinos. Like Palin in 08, he is viewed as an existential threat.
And just like Palin whom they feared they want to destroy his credibility; to make him a joke.
For obvious reasons, it is vital that Rubio and, in fact, all conservatives going forward be able to articulate a serious conservative worldview that doesnt fit the anti-science stereotype. (This is part of what I mean when I talk about cosmopolitan conservatism.)
Rubio might think hes just getting his feet wet, but its game on.
The invasive exam begins. Only normal people get it. democrats and other insane creatures are given a free pass.
Two words should be said to any MSM mouthpiece that spouts about this "nonsense": PROVE IT.
There are holes in the theory of Evolution and I don't know enough about carbon dating, but I'm assuming it's pretty much "educated guesses". And...if there is a God...could he not accomplish things in a shorter period of time?
Just random thoughts...
Rape questions are next.
Who needs them, when he's so eager to push for comprehensive immigration reform. I can see the joke just fine, but the credibility is very fuzzy.
It's the U. S. A. Mr. Rubio, not MexAmerica.
Maybe Mitch McConnell can write somebody a tersely worded letter.
I heard Ann Coulter refute this once, I thought quite effectively. She referenced John Lott's study which remains the most comprehensive, objective, research exploring the incidence of violent crimes in relationship to the freedom of concealed carry. If, as the left contends, they were strict adherents of empirical data and findings, they should be falling over themselves to promote firearm ownership and carry.
It will continue endlessly. The Amerimoron public is far too stupid and uninterested to do more than take what the media spoon feeds them as gospel.
It's clear to the average Amerimoron that Republicans are evil and stupid... every last one of them.
I never realized that Pravda was a willing accomplice. I thought that the State leaned hard on Pravda to control content. It's clear to me, watching our media, that the media is the first to fall, and a very willing accomplice, on the slide to communism.
Rubio will not be Palinized becaus the GOPe probably won't allow it, because he is one of them. Palin on the other hand wasn't GOPe, so they let her be destroyed. Rubio will be defended by the establishment as he leads them into amnesty legislation and fully supports cry baby Boehner and McConnell.
Rubio is the GOPe latest dupe. Boehner has his boot on the neck of Republicans and Obama has his boot on the neck on Boehner. It's going to be a long 4 years.
Marco isn't my favorite as he is with some. But I agree that the Left is going to Palinize him and it looks like his rivals on the Right will be happy to stand by and encourage it. They don't realize that, if they emerge as a contender they will get the same treatment.
Any conservative, any Repub, even a feckless Rino Repub who doesn't believe in anything, is going to get the same treatment the moment he becomes a front-runner. McCain was the press's favorite maverick until he was the nominee, and then they dismantled him. Romney was the moderate who would save us from the tea party until he was the nominee and then they took him apart.
It only works if you fall for it, and Repubs fall for it every time. As soon as they start demonizing your candidate, Repubs start wishing for another one with less baggage. Sorry, thats not how political propaganda works. They will always find an angle. There is no substitute for courage in this game. Pick the man or woman closest to your beliefs and then get ready for a firehose stream of mockery and invective and pure lies that is guaranteed to be unleashed on them and you. Since you're going to get it either way, there is nothing to be gained by picking a moderate that you think is less vulnerable.
You're going to get it no matter who you pick. So pick a fighter.
Several people watching the same event one day ago will report a wildly differing account on "what happened". Thus, it seems sort of farfetched to discuss things like the age of the universe or what "really" happened hundreds or thousands of years ago.We should laugh derisively at them and tell them they are the party who wants to even quibble on what the definition of "is" is, the party who says things are all "relative" and that "we all create our own reality", so these questions make no sense coming from them.
I'm glad you added that comment. The RATs think they can get away demonizing any candidate now. Even Ronald Reagan would be "unelectable" these days. Just follow your heart people!
How about: "I believe that the Executive Branch is Constitutionally limited in its powers, and your question is asking about personal opinion on something that's irrelevant to the issues that would be before the President. You may as well waste time quizzing me about how much the Moon weighs."
On abortion: "It's all about choice. I believe the voters should have the choice of how to vote on their state's laws on this moral issue."
A minister once explained this to me:
God created Adam and Eve not as babies, but as full mature humans in the prime of their lives. Given that knowledge we must faithfully believe that the earth was created, as well as the entire universe, in the same manner.
The game here, is to throw Marco Rubio, or any potential contender, off message, early and often. Irrelevant questions (age of the earth, which is subject to a great deal of diverse opinion), and moving the dialogue from things that OUGHT to be considered. Senator Rubio was talking past the question, directing his response to his supporters and partisans, and attempting to steer the discussion back to the subjects at hand.
It may be necessary to contact the voters directly, WITHOUT the filter passing through the media.
The framework is being set up to picture Senator Rubio as a theocrat. And therefore, indistinguishable from, say, the Pope, or maybe Billy Graham. But definitely anti-science.
No were trying to win elections not giving Bible sermons.
The correct answer is easy. 4 billion years give or take. Also I think the story of Adam and Eve is a fairy tale.
Thank You , I will not vote for Marco Rubio.
How about, "Who gives a crap about how old the Earth is, what does it have to do with anything? Let's talk about the future, not the past."
When the GOP learns to fight like this then I may vote for them.
Is Marco Rubio even eligible to be President?
This is formulaic for the media.
Ask a republican candidate a question regarding a biblical passage such as the age of the earth.
Whichever answer he gives he alienates a large segment of the voters.
It is using wedge issues to create a half life scenario where a candidates ideological supporters are systematically eroded.
We need a new coalition among republicans. The current one is too easy to defeat.
What will change in 4 years?
No, but the "powers" don't care anymore.
The Dem main stream press has 4 years to take him out and likely will be successful.
Republicans act like they are being given fair questions. NO. Democrat reporters ask these questions to hurt Republicans (be it Palin, cain, Bachmann, Rubio, Romney any R).
When a reporter asks a question a Republican HAS to point out what the reporter is doing :" Look this is a gotcha question that you a "reporter" are doing just to make me into a joke or to alienate my base or other voters" you are not being a political activists instead of doing your job" now every time you ask such a question that will allow your biased media to spin my answer to hurt me politically I will instead answer with one of my solutions to help America and Americans"
And the hand-wringers on our side will complain about how each and every one has "too much baggage" and "will never be taken seriously", which settling for another milquetoast loser pushed by the central committee.
Thank you for your input. I directed this reply to another person. But since you required my attention i'll retort.
Unfortuately, now matter what you believe, faith is going to be used against any conservative candidate and will be discussed by the major media. The question usually involves creationism. If a candidate believes in creationim the smear campaign begins.
Additionally, what you believe in is not my concern.
Online and on the cable nets, Marco Rubio is currently taking a hellacious beating for his answer to "GQ's" question about the age of the Earth. And anyone who doesn't think we'll be revisiting Rubio's "Earth" question in about 40 months should the Florida Senator decide to run for president, should stop right now and write a book about the bliss of ignorance.
As I mentioned in an earlier piece, the media now believes they have a winning tactic for disqualifying Republicans through the use of left-field "gotcha" questions that pit our faith and principles against immigration, gay tolerance, the lifestyle of the single woman (which sounds like a Diane Keaton movie circa 1978) , and the needs of the poor.
The problem, of course, is not our faith or our core beliefs; the problem is that too many on our side are rhetorically unprepared and regularly caught off guard when these media moments arrive. The result is a gaffe that frequently damages more than just a single campaign. As we saw during the 2012 election, the media was able to take one dumb answer from a senate candidate about rape and abortion and use it to bloody the entire GOP brand.
As far as religion and Marco Rubio's struggle with being asked the age of Earth, I've been a devout Christian for almost thirty years and have never found my faith in conflict with science or history. If anything, the more I learn about science and history only deepens my faith. This is why it's so frustrating to hear a bright guy like Rubio blow such an easy one. The problem isn't talent or smarts, it's training.
Before every baseball game, a good shortstop is the first one out on the field warming up and practicing. This is why he's a good shortstop; he never falls for his own press or forgets that hard work, drills, training, and the basics are what got him to where he is. And that's our problem. Our side forgets to drill, doesn't train, and suddenly we're losing games because we drop pop ups.
The GOP has plenty of talent. History proves our ideas are right. Polls prove people like our ideas best.
But we're losing rhetorically.
You mean say "I agree with Al Gore" over and over again?
They did it to Quayle.
That's what he said.
But he didn't offer his own answer.
I agree with the writer's comment above, and I agree essentially with what Rubio said. I don't see anything wrong with it.
They did it to Goldwater, they did it to Quayle, they did it to Cheney, they did it to Ken Starr, they did it to Palin, they did it to Bush, they tried to do it to Reagan but it didn't work.
Answer that and you'll have your candidate.
They do it to whomever they recognize might win... preemptive. All lies and twists. I guess that if we could figure out how Reagan overcame it, we could inoculate the good guys.
We need a wildcard in 2016. NO MORE REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS. We need a non-political figure to run on the Republican ticket...an Eisenhower, a Reagan, a general, an actor. We need Dennis Miller. (or someone like him)
No, evolution is the fairy tale. Yet I'd guess you've not heard nor read any of the pro-creation science web-sites. See my links page if you care to see what you are missing.
They only palinized Sarah to asshole democrats....no human being thinks less of Sarah Palin....she is the best....
the reason it didn't work on Reagan is that he built himself up from scratch as a True Conservative. It took over 20 years of truly getting to the point where he had mentally and emotionally struggled with all the issues and finally fashioned a body of conservative armor and a functioning conservative mind far sharper and deeper the fat dunce Tip O'Neill could ever plumb.
On abortion:
The memo needs to get out to all candidates: Making abortion illegal is COMPLETELY beyond the power of the President. Period.
On abortion and rape, say "I support the Second Amendment. Women need to have in their possession items which are sufficient to STOP a rapist BEFORE he commits the act of rape".
On abortion and rape, say I support the Second Amendment. Women need to have in their possession items which are sufficient to STOP a rapist BEFORE he commits the act of rape.
That's a great response, and should become a standard.
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Indeed. My main point was about the taste - since they are so similar, it would make sense that both glutamate and theanine are considered the major components of the umami taste. They don't seem to be the exclusive source of the taste, but then L-Theanine does make up something like 50%-60% of the amino acid content in tea so it probably wouldn't taste any different if those others weren't present.scruffmcgruff wrote:Yes, theanine and glutamate are very similar, structurally. However, so are GABA and glutamate, and it's hard to have more polar opposite functions in the brain than those two. What I'm trying to say is that minor differences in chemical structure can have enormous impacts on function. That said, it doesn't necessarily mean that they always *do*, so you may be on to something.
Tea has TyrosineIIRC, tyrosine is a dopamine precursor (it's what dopamine is made from), so it can help to restore proper dopamine levels in the brain. Where did the tyrosine thing come from, though?
I would really think that tea could help Tea contributes to overall well-being, which really only helps. I don't know a whole lot about depression, but I'm sure there are many different causes and I'd bet that tea could directly affect some of them. At any rate it's certainly not going to hurt, and if some of them can get on the road of discovery then I'm sure that path itself could helpkymidwife wrote:Good points about medications for depression, Silverneedle... especially for severe depression.
I've been a nurse practitioner for 11 years now, and I manage depression in women all the time, with and without medications. Antidepressant medication is a very serious matter, and that step in treatment is sometimes for the good and sometimes not. Knowing what I know about the risk profiles and side effects of these drugs, the potential for pseudo-addiction, the very real existence of drug withdrawal symptoms from some of them...
Well, lets just say, drugs are not the answer for everyone... especially for mild and possibly transient situational depression. It's very good to explore remedies provided by Mother Nature... sunshine, exercise, a healthy diet, etc. have all been shown effective in clinical research studies on depression. There's also some fairly significant research being done on the effects of essential fatty acid supplementation for depression, especially postpartum depression.
My query about tea is just to extend my own body of knowledge on how to recommend the healthiest diet and lifestyle for those in need. If they require medication, I'm willing to prescribe it, but I don't always jump to it as a first line of treatment. And really... if delicious tea helps too, I say lets drink more of it!


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The Local Bookstore is Not Dead
— By Kevin Montgomery (@kevinmonty) |
A strange and curious thing happened the other week: the long-shuttered Wizard Smoke Shop space on 24th at Treat suddenly sprang back to life as Alleycat Books. The signage was nonchalantly covered in a bright green paint, with the word "BOOKS" bluntly scrawled across the sign without any regard for design or kerning. A stray construction barricade was repurposed as a hasty sandwich board and the yellowing bed sheets that obscured the room behind the windows for years was removed, revealing the new bookstore.
How could anyone consider even opening one of these relics anymore? Hadn't bookstores gone the way of the record shop and movie rental store?
Turns out "The Death of The Bookstore"—at least, local bookstores—is little more than a myth.
An employee at Alleycat (which isn't officially opening until December) says Valencia's Dog Eared Books is admist their most profitable year ever. They explain that as Border's and other national literature retailers retreat from San Francisco, the chain's former customer base have been flocking to local shops such as Dog Eared. So the shop's owners decided to open a larger, sister shop (their fourth in San Francisco), choosing 24th because "it resembles the way Valencia Street looked 10 years ago."
Unlike Dog Eared, Alleycat has a giant event space "that will eventually house a ping pong table, gallery, and possibly chess tables."
As for prices, there was a copy of The Last Temptation of Christ on sale for four bucks, which I didn't buy, if any of you are interested in picking up some cheap Biblical fan fiction.


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Sept. 8, 2008
BEIJING, China - Team USA's Timothy (TJ) Hawker (Holland, Ohio) faced two tough competitors as Boccia competition moved into Rounds three and four on Monday.
In his first match of the day, Hawker went up against Fransisco Javier Beltran of Spain, the world's number one ranked player in the BC-1 class. Beltran achieved five points in the first end and ultimately won with a score of 9-1, but Hawker's tough defensive play allowed him to keep the Spaniard scoreless in the second end and to become the first player in the competition to score a point against Beltran.
As competition continued in the afternoon, Hawker faced Gabriella Villano from Argentina. The match was close and the officials were forced measure the minute distances between the competitors' balls frequently. Villano ultimately won the match 3-1.
"He played two great games today and this was a good competition for him overall," said USA Boccia head coach Mark McMillan. "He put in some nice blocks during his match against Beltran which made it more difficult for him to score." Both McMillan and Hawker appreciated the opportunity to participate in the 2008 Paralympic Games. "He and I are both honored to be here," said McMillan. "The level of play and competition is very high."
For more information or to arrange an athlete interview, please contact Jeannine Hansen at 13910756748 (if calling from the U.S., dial 011 86 plus the local number).
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N.Y. Power Authority President Asks Governmental Units to Save Energy
Stephen Shoenholz
November 4, 2005
WHITE PLAINS—Terming current energy-pricing problems "the most serious we have ever faced in New York State," New York Power Authority (NYPA) President and Chief Executive Officer Eugene W. Zeltmann has urged NYPA's 115 governmental customers in New York City and Westchester County "to do everything possible to conserve energy this winter."
"A long winter lies ahead," Zeltmann said in a Nov. 2 letter to the governmental customers. "By moving now to conserve energy, you can play a key role in meeting the immediate challenge and in creating a solid foundation for the future."
Zeltmann said that under Gov. George E. Pataki's leadership, New York State has promoted ambitious energy-efficiency programs and growing reliance on clean, renewable energy sources such as solar and wind power.
"These initiatives are essential not only to combat high costs, but also to help clean our air and reduce our dependence on foreign oil," Zeltmann told the NYPA governmental customers, which include such entities as the New York City government, the city's Housing Authority, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the Battery Park City Authority, the Westchester County government and most Westchester municipalities and other public entities.
"I am well aware that energy costs directly influence your ability to provide essential public services and, in some cases, to stabilize tax rates," Zeltmann wrote. "Aggressive initiatives to conserve energy and to use it more efficiently can lower those costs."
Zeltmann noted that the Power Authority already carries out extensive energy-efficiency programs for the governmental customers, which use the electricity supplied by NYPA for various public facilities and purposes such as schools and other public buildings, hospitals, museums, street lights and subway and commuter trains.
He said that NYPA thus far has completed energy-efficiency and clean-energy projects at about 1,360 public facilities in New York City and Westchester County, with a total investment of $576 million. These projects save the governmental customers, and the taxpayers and commuters they serve, about $62 million a year. They also reduce peak demand for electricity by 107,000 kilowatts—enough to serve about 100,000 homes—and cut annual emissions of greenhouse gases by close to 500,000 tons.
The Power Authority typically recovers its costs by sharing the savings on customers' energy bills, after which the customers retain all the savings.
Zeltmann said that under new long-term power supply agreements with its governmental customers in New York City, NYPA will provide up to $100 million a year for energy-efficiency and clean-energy projects at public facilities in the city and in Westchester.
Increased electricity prices in New York State, Zeltmann said, are due mainly to high prices for natural gas and oil. The two fuels account for more than 30 percent of the electricity generated in the state, a figure that is about twice the national average.
The letter to the governmental customers was similar to recent energy-conservation appeals by Zeltmann to the state's 51 municipal electric systems and rural cooperatives, all of which use Power Authority electricity, and to NYPA's business customers.


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The Salome family in Long Island, NY, pays a whopping $20,000 in utilities a year, in part to keep indoor and outdoor hot tubs percolating at a toasty 104 F. The women of Rutger's University's Alpha Chi Omega sorority house haul some 1,120 plastic bottles to the curb each month – a total of $13,440 each year! The Poisler family's historic 1800s home and its vintage 1970s appliances generate hundreds of dollars of heating and energy bills each month.
Into these hefty Footprint households enter Annabelle Gurwitch and Holter Graham, hosts of Discovery Planet Green's "WA$TED!" Now in its second season, WA$TED! continues to entertain and educate viewers by featuring the Ecological Footprint of average Americans. With the help of a Footprint calculator built especially for the series by Global Footprint Network and expert advice from Global Footprint Network partner BioRegional , the show's crew tallies each household's Ecological Footprint, then guides them toward simple, low-cost ways to "green up" their act.
To bring the experience to individual viewers, Planet Green has launched Global Footprint Networks' customized household calculator on its Web site for viewers who want to calculate their own household Ecological Footprint. Similarly to the show, the quiz takes the participant through a series of questions about their daily lifestyle choices – from food to goods to shelter to mobility, revealing how many planets it would take if everyone lived like the residents of their household and providing simple steps for Footprint reduction.
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Mind your mountain manners
Over the course of my many years in the woods, I've managed to put a lot of trail miles under my feet. I've climbed most of the High Peaks and hiked the Northville-Placid trail. I've also spent a fair share of time wandering off the trails, especially during the fishing, hunting and ski seasons.
I began my hiking career as a 10-year-old kid growing up in Elizabethtown. After outgrowing Cobble Hill and Wood Hill, Giant Mountain and Rocky Peak Ridge became our climbs of choice.
I also traveled to many other High Peaks while in the company of Geoffrey Carlton, a well-known birder who wrote the book, "Birds of Essex County." Mr. Carleton allowed me to tag along on his birding forays, provided I kept my mouth shut, which was a difficult task for an inquisitive kid.
However, I managed to stay on board for a free ride to the trailhead until my teenage years, when matters such as teenage girls and fishing excursions began to take priority over my quest to tackle the peaks.
Although I regularly return to the mountains of my youth, especially Cobble Hill and Raven, I rarely venture off into the High Peaks region any more, unless upon the request of a guest. I find the lower peaks are nearly as enjoyable, as are the lowland hikes in and around the St. Regis Canoe Area. I prefer to hike at my own pace, which makes travel far from a race.
No doubt, I was trained in this pursuit while struggling to keep pace with Mr. Carleton, who was a slim and lanky 6-and-a-half-foot-tall trooper. He kept up a steady pace that was aided by his 5-foot stride, and I ran along happily behind him.
On occasion, I would stop to pretend I heard or saw a bird, which was the only way I could catch up with him. It also allowed me a chance to catch my breath.
Throughout my college years, I continued to tackle the peaks with friends, and we often ventured into the Cold River area.
At the time, the High Peaks region was becoming very popular and campsites were often trashed. Although it seemed the trails were receiving heavy use at the time, in reality traffic was still quite light as compared to current-day use.
Over the past month, I've spent a lot of time driving to and from Elizabethtown, mostly over the weekends. Although it is far from a scientific study, it certainly appears the local trailheads have been busy beyond the norm.
Maybe the increased trail traffic has been in response to the fair weather, or possibly it is just a simple "end of the season, let's pack it all in" response. Whatever the reason, the results have been glaringly obvious, with cars and trucks filling up and overflowing trailhead parking lots from Rocky Peak Ridge to Giant Mountain to the Cascades, and on through to McKenzie, Ampersand and St. Regis.
Last Sunday, I counted 42 vehicles as I drove by the Baxter Mountain trailhead, and it was 6:30 in the afternoon. The day before, there were more than 100 vehicles staggered throughout the Cascades. I also discovered hikers camping in their cars along the Adironac Loj road, while others had set up tents beside their vehicles.
Certainly, the new Saranac Lake 6er campaign has contributed to a rush to reach the top. Fortunately, the campaign has likely inspired many more friends and relatives to put down the fork and pick up a hiking staff. I realize the 6er effort has also attracted many family groups who may have missed out on the treasures, natural pleasures and blisters that can often be acquired along a long hike.
But as can be expected with so many newcomers in the woods and on the trails, there continues to be some obvious problems. Overuse is readily evident from the trailheads to the summits, and not all hikers are pleasant and considerate. In fact, some can be downright rude.
I don't believe people who are unfamiliar with the woods purposely try to be rude. Often they are just ignorant of the accepted manners.
Unfortunately, it appears wilderness-use education rarely trickles down to the casual day user. Without a clue to the environmental ramifications, I've watched rookie hikers cut saplings for use as hiking staffs and I've seen them toss orange and banana peels aside.
They probably figure the peels are natural after all. However, the peels won't degrade for years if left to rot a thousand miles north of their natural, tropical environment.
Try to explain the mechanics of that unnatural relationship to a couple that are rushing back down the trail in a hurry, after having confirmed their dinner reservations via a conference call from the summit.
There are some very common use problems, ranging from the lack of port-a-potties at the trailheads and to the leftovers on the summits – which regularly include torn packs, a single sneaker, hats, socks, and a fair share of bandaids, bloody bandages and of course toilet paper.
Reportedly, there has also been a good deal of misbehavior occurring along the trails. On certain routes, it seems there's been a rash of old school whittling as passing hikers stop to carve their initials in the smooth beech bark.
It is important to remember that nearly everyone is on the trail for the same reason: to enjoy nature in its natural surroundings.
I recently overheard a conversation on the topic while I was speaking with a friend at the trailhead. A pair of disgruntled parents were imploring their teenage kids to strap on their packs and hit the trail. The father, obviously frustrated with the delay, finally let loose.
"If you don't leave your attitude in the car, dude, I'll leave my boot in your butt."
I was certainly glad I didn't have to follow them to the summit.
We often take our freedom to take a hike for granted. It is almost too easy for most locals. We fail to realize that the majority of the nation's population no longer considers wilderness travel to be a normal part of everyday life.
I'll admit it, we're spoiled. It's almost too easy for locals to get away.
And therein often lies the catch. Visitors simply don't know how to act because they are so unaccustomed to the experience.
The situation is akin to the awkwardness exhibited when a non-resident attempts to start up a conversation while riding an elevator in Manhattan. People will look at you as if you're a nutcase. However it will provide you with a bit of empathy for those rookie hikers you often mutter about under your breath.
It may be time for the state Department of Environmental Conservation to post an Emily Post column dealing with mountain manners and trail etiquette. Maybe it would help our visitors deal with such simple issues as "who goes first when uphill hikers meet up with downhill hikers on a single track hiking trail."
For those who don't know the rules of how and when to share the trail, the accepted protocol is for climbers to have the right of way over descending hikers.
Another point of contention is the unabated use of the cell phones and video cameras that fellow hikers so often employ to capture the moment. Taking a few snap shots is to be expected, but "posing and posting" to share a virtual moment with all of your e-buddies is frowned upon.
It is rude and inconsiderate to engage in loud cell phone conversations whether in the woods or on a summit. If you feel a real need to share the moment, step away from other hikers to carry your conversation; after all, they're called mobile phones for a reason.
Responsible recreation means having both the good sense and common courtesy to enjoy the backcountry without spoiling anyone else's experience.
Most hikers truly enjoy the peace and quiet that's provided by the natural surroundings on a mountaintop. It is one of the main reasons they put in the effort to get away from the highways.
Be considerate of other visitors. Acknowledge them on the trail with a smile, nod or a brief "hello." No one has to stop or even slow down to do this. It's simply good manners to recognize your fellow hikers.


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Which Cars Are On Your Mind These Days? For Me, It's The Chevy Volt
Posted By V Ol Blak On September 7, 2011 @ 12:46 am In Alternative Vehicles | 2 Comments
If I had to be honest and come up with a list of cars I would like to own, the list would be really small. Here is the deal, I still want a stylish well made vehicle, but I would like it to be more like my electric bike and less like my SUV. I want to plug it in, charge it up (quickly). But here is the catch, if I need more power on the go, I have to be able to get it. Cars like the Tesla Roadster just make no sense to me with my small budget and no desire to own multiple cars.
My life is pretty simple. I don't need to spend a ton of money on a car. I work at home, shop for food and other stuff all within 10 miles of my house and once in a blue moon, I pack up my Land Rover with photo gear and head to L.A. A very long three hour trip there and back.
Yes, I said I have a Land Rover, its a Discovery 2 and it gets a whopping 12 miles to the gallon if I am lucky. Love it, hate it. Love it for what it can haul, it's functionality and my vegan fake leather seats. Hate that it sucks gas like a cheap drunk sucking down their 3rd box-o-wine. But since I own it (no payments) and only drive a few times a month, I haven't been willing to buy a new ecoish type of car.
When I feel the urge to get out, I jump on my A2B electric bike. If I think I am going to need cargo room, I simply attach my wike bike wagon and off I go. I am serious. I use my bike like an SUV if my destination is close. I bought my two Apple 27 inch LED computer screens the other day and carried them home in the wagon. The Apple employees thought I was beyond cool… no really they said so. They all wanted my bike and so did half of the people shopping in the store. I can't even begin to tell you how many people stop me to ask about the bike. Everyone from kids to senior citizens love the idea of the electric bike. But I haven't seen many on the road.
My point is, my next car doesn't need to be a V8 Beast that can do everything. No, I need a well designed, well built, comfortable, high milage, electric or some alternative powered vehicle, which doesn't cost a fortune and will last forever. And for the first time, I am really thinking about buying American. The car which has been on my mind lately is the Chevy Volt. I haven't seen one in person, but the design concept and photos of the car are really hitting home with me.
Los Angeles Times Chevy Volt Video Review.
Here is my like list: 1st: The battery runs the car, period! If and when you need more electricity, you have two options, plug it in, just like my bike or pour in a little gas and let the onboard electric generator create more electricity for you on the go. 2nd: 20 to 50 miles pure electric driving before you need to charge it. 3rd: I like the styling (I think). 4th: There is cargo room for my gear. 5th: It has a USB port for my iphone and an iphone app which tells me things about how the car is running. 5th: It's priced about right $350 a month or around $40k. Look my electric bike and wagon cost me almost $4k, so $40k for a whole lot more tech isn't too bad.
Here is my dis-likes: 1st: It's a Chevy. 2nd: It's a Chevy. 3rd: The interior dashboard materials have that we might be crappy look. You know, that cheap plastic which might look cool, but feels like it will break or discolor any second and usually does. My point is, I have never liked the styling, logo badge, quality or functions of a Chevy, Ford, or any American car designed car. And yes I know Ford owned Land Rover for a while. American cars have always seemed cheap, clunky and un-attractive in my opinion. I don't know why. We Americans know how to design, look at Apple products. But for some reason our cars have always sucked. What the hell was the Hummer all about?
What do you think? Will you be buying a Volt or has something else caught your eye? More Volt review and behind the scene videos after the jump.
Testing the Volts Brake system. Volt behind the scene video.
Durability Testing: Potholes & Belgian Blocks. Volt behind the scene video.
Battery Development and Technology. Volt behind the scene video.
Durability Test Driving. Volt behind the scene video.
Cold weather testing in Kapuskasing Canada. Volt behind the scene video.
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Hi Bellas,
I'm back with another review. Eyeko recently sent me a pink jar of their multi-use Cream. I'm all for eye creams, moisturizers, and of course anything with a little shimmer is always fun.
To see my review, click here!
In this cute, pink jar you actually get a lot of the cream. I like how's it a multi-use product - moisturizer, highlighter, and eye cream. Inside, you'll find that the cream is like a whipped, fluffy butter. When swatched, it has a pearly irridescent sheen to it, but not too overwhelming. I'd actually recommend this for use as facial highlighter on areas like the cheekbones and above the cupid's bow. I would also recommend using this as an eye cream but under foundation. That way, it will brighten up the dark circles but not be too shimmery. I wouldn't use it as an all over moisturizer because it may be a little bit too much shine for the entire face.
-affordable considering its many functions
-multi-use product
-cute packaging
-maybe too shimmery for some
-comes in a jar, so it's a little less sanitary than squeezy tubes
Would I Recommend? If you don't have a similar liquid/cream highlighter in your stash, this would be a good one to try. It's a dupe for MAC Strobe Cream but it's not limited edition and about half the price.
This product retails for 8 pounds or $12.67. Ships worldwide with free shipping over $55. You can find this product at www.Eyeko.com
FTC Disclosure: Product provided for review. I am not paid to write this review and am not affiliated with the company. These are my honest thoughts and opinions.
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40 CFR Part 62, Subpart B - Alabama
- Plan for the Control of Designated Pollutants From Existing Facilities (Section 111( d ) Plan)
- Sulfuric Acid Mist From Existing Sulfuric Acid Plants
- Fluoride Emissions From Phosphate Fertilizer Plants
- Landfill Gas Emissions From Existing Municipal Solid Waste Landfills
- Metals, Acid Gases, Organic Compounds and Nitrogen Oxide Emissions From Existing Municipal Waste Combustors With the Capacity To Combust Greater Than 250 Tons Per Day of Municipal Solid Waste
- Air Emissions From Hospital/Medical/Infectious Waste Incinerators
- Air Emissions From Small Existing Municipal Waste Combustion Units
- Air Emissions From Commercial and Industrial Solid Waste Incineration (CISWI) Units (Section 111( d )/129 Plan)
Sec. 110(a) and 111(d), Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7410(a) and 7411(d)).
48 FR 31402, July 8, 1983, unless otherwise noted.
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Smocked Bandeau Dress
Style: 570081306
Out of Stock
Velvety-smooth knit bandeau dress in a striking tie-dye inspired print has a smocked empire waist and a beautiful drape below. This dress loves the sun, but we also love it with the Raspberry Shrug for casual Fridays.
- Removable soft cups. Without cups, double-layered knit bodice and elasticized shirring at the empire waist provide soft support.
- Flat tunnel elastic around top edge.
- Removable, adjustable straps fasten in halter, straight or cross-back positions.
- Approximate length: 37.5".
- 90% Polyester, 10% Spandex. Machine wash. Imported.
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