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Skip to comments.Obama Says He Has Become More Humble
Posted on 02/26/2013 2:19:28 PM PST by mbarker12474
Obama: I've 'Become More Humble' 2:08 PM, Feb 26, 2013 By DANIEL HALPER
President Barack Obama admitted today in a Virginia speech that he's "become more humble":
"But in order for us to make that happen I'm going to need you. You know, the one thing about being president is, after four years, you get pretty humble. You'd think maybe you wouldn't but actually you become more humble--you realize what you don't know," said Obama.
(Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...
"I'm the most humble person in the whole world!"
Hey Obama, if you now know what you didn't know, why
are you continuing to do what you did?
With apologies to Mac Davis:
"Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way.
I can't wait to look in the mirror
'cos I get better looking each day
To know me is to love me
I must be a hell of a man.
O Lord it's hard to be humble
But I'm doing the best that I can."
notice his skin is becoming lighter? he'll need everybody to keep that going too
If you have to explain how humble you are, you ain't.
Every word out of his mouth has the opposite meaning to that same word coming out of a non-psychopath's mouth.
How could he possibly become more humble? He's already brought humility down to new lows, and now he's bottomed those lows?
Help! Help! The Present is becoming even more humble! Man the life rafts. Abandon ship! VOOOP! VOOOP! VOOOOOOOP! WEEEEOOOOO! WEEEEEOOOO! Too late.
If bullshit were music this guy would be the New York Philharmonic, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and the University of Texas Marching Band all rolled into one.
Would a non-psychopath even dare utter such pap?
This guy is a pure unadulterated community organizer thug
Don't be so humble - you are not that great.
President Obama is far from being great enough to appear humble.
His lips were moving so that means he was lying....
"My only flaw really is that I'm humble to a fault. I think so much of other people, and little of myself. "
Somehow, he manages not to be, despite having so much to be humble about.
Just because he says it is so does not make it so. He is going all out on this sequester thing. I hope he gets it slammed down his humble throat. Remember, his idea of compromise is agreeing with him on every point. I don't think that is humble or gracious.
One would think the way he acts he believes he won 100% of the actual vote. He made himself king by his acclamation, not the public.
He was also breathing in and out, a sure sign of a lie.
Mac Davis's song came to mind as soon as I read the headline for this thread.
The man is nuts. Just freaking nuts.
To the tune of Oczyn Czornia
I'm a humble guy.
I eat humble pie.
Every word I say
Is an outright lie.
I'm a humble guy.
I eat humble pie.
Can't get humbler
Though L-d knows I try.
I'm a humble guy.
I eat humble pie.
If the GOP
Dares to defy me
I'll retaliate,
But do so humble-le-le-le-le-ly.
He has so much to be humble about.
Obama says he has become more bumble...fixed it.
If denegrading conservatives at every opportunity is being humble, then, yeah, okay. Obozo is humble. What a schmuck.
I think when you say it, it (that you are humble) it means that it's not true!
St. Augustine
If Obama's words are true, there would be hope for him, however Humility is like a Lighthouse on a cliff, it illuminates all around it, but does not see itself.
One who is humble does not know it except through the reflection of others.
.....Pride before the fall.
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If he were really humble he'd apologize for screwing up our country and our lives with all that he didn't know despite thinking he knew it all....and then get the hell out of the White House and let someone who really understands the world of actual (as opposed to Communist theory) take over the country.
And he ought to apologize to all of us who called him a flaming idiot.
An Obama/Lucifer comparison would be tasteless, insulting, and probably accurate.
Well, he sure couldn't be LESS humble!
I'm literally speechless...
If BS were a record, Obama would go multi-platinum.
He's probably among the four or five humblest Presidents of all time.
When you realize after 4 years you don't know squat about leading a country! Show you humbleness to the world but arrogance to the American people! No matter what this POS has to say, this American knows S***t from Shinola and MR Obama you are no shinola!
"Mr. Attlee is a very modest man. Indeed he has a lot to be modest about."
The only thing that really shocks Obama about himself now is the immense amount of humility that he has.
"I'm more humble than you are!"
Well, doesn't that speak volumes...?
He didn't think he would get humbled as POTUS...
Going in to the job should be humbling enough...
This POS was SO arrogant, he thought he could do the job on day one...
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Skip to comments.Rick Perry Endorses Mitt Romney
Posted on 04/25/2012 6:01:44 PM PDT by NoLibZone
Texas Gov. Rick Perry originally endorsed Newt Gingrich as the top candidate after dropping out of the Republican presidential race.
But with Gingrich set to quit the campaign trail, Perry on Wednesday evening gave his support to the probable nominee, Mitt Romney.
"Mitt Romney has earned the Republican presidential nomination through hard work, a strong organization, and [a] disciplined message of restoring America after nearly four years of failed job-killing policies from President [Barack] Obama and his administration," Perry said in a statement provided to FOX News Channel.
"So today I join the many conservative Republicans across the nation in endorsing Mitt Romney for president and pledge to him, my constituents and the Republican Party that I will continue to work hard to help defeat President Obama.
(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxla.com ...
Would Perry be considered GOPe or Tea?
I am guessing e.
As the Chinese say, palty royarty!
As GOPe as Newt, then...
Perry waited until Gingrich dropped out before endorsing Romney. Nothing to be ashamed of.
et tu Brute?
I "will not" vote for that Mormon Bishop ... pro-gay marriage, pro-choice SOB ... Willard O-Romney
Obama thanks you for your support.
Would Ron Paul be better than Romney?
That is just how it is given that Obama is so awful.
Whaaat? Mr. 2nd Amendment, pro-life, small gub'mint T- Partay hero hisself is endorsing Romney?! Shockah!
Perry waited until Gingrich dropped out before endorsing Romney. Nothing to be ashamed of.
Exactly. Palin, Newt, Santorum, Bachmann, and every other influential Republican will be endorsing, supporting and campaigning for him as well. That is kind of the point of a political party. Those that can't support the nominee now generally have no future within the party going forward.
I also will not vote for mitt, no matter what. I will never vote for the liberals the gop pushes on us as the only alternative. Screwum.
Perry must have had another burning bush moment on his latest morning jog.
What meme are we going on for this?
Perry = RINO
Perry = Communist
Perry = Smokin' Hot Singer
"What meme are we going on for this?"
Ya see, that's the whole problem...It's no longer a game, or business as usual.
The political insiders and their futures, are not the issue. That is what's left America nearly dead on the floor.
We need a second party.
I'm beginning to think so........there is no way I will vote for Romney!
When Mitt lost California four years ago, he immediately endorsed John McCain. That is how it works. If you go out honorably, maybe you can take it all away in four years like Mitt has done this time around.
Might as well face it folks, the only principle that drives politicians is getting elected/reelected.
The only way to take the country back is to elect Conservatives not politicians.
I wonder what the response here will be when Newt endoses Romney.
Geez Louise, I knew it would come, but I didn't think it would come so soon. Ugh.
At least I know he hated doing it, LOL.
This "I'm staying at home" bull is beyond stupid.
We've got a very, very old Ruth Bader Ginsburg, for crying out loud.
At least he didn't stab Newt in the back like Cain.
Then dont, and feel better about yourself.
>>This "I'm staying at home" bull is beyond stupid.
We've got a very, very old Ruth Bader Ginsburg, for crying out loud. <<
And this, we'll concentrate on the Congress, let Obama win, crap has got to stop as well.
Maybe it's me, and maybe I just pay attention but has anyone seen the amount of "executive orders" that have come from this Marxist President?
At least with Mitt the Ken doll he will give a thought to the rules and the constitution. With BO, we are freakin' lost.
That's why a lot of Texans have disappeared from around here and took their money with them..
It should be fun. Tune in to FR next Tuesday to see the excitement.
Yeah, 'nother DC Insider Sellout, like Santorum and Newt.
So you like Rove?
Thanks NoLibZone.
Exactly, the point of a political party, in the American system, is to win. That is why they cover a larger segment of the ideological spectrum. If the spectrum is shrunk, then you end up with a fringe party, who under our Constitution, have no impact on policy making. In a parliamentary system a fringe party can win 8% of the vote and have influence within coalition governments. Our system does not work that way.
100 years ago the spectrum of left to right spanned both parties. That is why you had a LaFollette as a Republican. Today the left and right have sorted themselves out, with far less exceptions than the past. Despite the sorting out, the two parties are geared to win. That is to win 50%+. In order to win, differant factions within the party have to come together. If they split off into splinter parties, then each splinter will lose and lose and lose. That is the way the Founding Fathers intended it to be. They might not have written this into the Constitution, but the same men created the first two political parties. The original Republicans (now the Democrats) had to balance the interests of the Southern plantation owner with those of the Northern small businessman. They were so successful at this that they eventually destroyed their rivals that we had briefly a one party state during the Monroe administration.
No, no, say it ain't so. Not Sarah ! Not St. Sarah. Not Santissima Sara, Wonderwoman incarnate. No, Sarah will never, ever, never-ever sell us out. Sarah a RINO? Impossible.
[Fingers in ears] Not listening, not listening, not listening, not listening. If I don't hear Sarah's sellout when she sells out does that mean she didn't do it?
Not Sarah.
Ya just knew the Republican party insiders would support another liberal.
No, no, say it ain't so. Not Sarah ! Not St. Sarah. Not Santissima Sara, Wonderwoman incarnate. No, Sarah will never, ever, never-ever sell us out. Sarah a RINO? Impossible.
[Fingers in ears] Not listening, not listening, not listening, not listening. If I don't hear Sarah's sellout when she sells out does that mean she didn't do it?
Not Sarah.
That is exactly the type of silly behavior that lonestar was talking about
"Would Ron Paul be better than Romney?"
Paul might be a bit of a nut on foreign policy but at least Ron Paul is not a lying charlatan.
"As the Knife Turns" - Mitt Romney Represents Betrayal
Actually our system is much the same. The difference is that we have coalitions within two large parties. They have many small parties who make up, almost invariably, a majority coalition and a minority or opposition coalition.
There's good and bad in both systems.
When the dust settles, there will be no one left standing good enough for some people. The perfect has become the enemy of the good.
Well.. what now, FR?
Mitt IS the Republican nominee. Unless you want four more years of Obama, it's time to rally round our Mormon???
Not gonna be easy for most around here.
Well.. what now, FR?
Mitt IS the Republican nominee. Unless you want four more years of Obama, it's time to rally round our Mormon???
Not gonna be easy for most around here.
Here I had basically kissed off all hope of reading sane presentation once more.
Perry was and remains the best of this years announced candidates, IMO. Too bad he couldn't pull it off.
Put your faith in the ideas, but never in the man. The man will ALWAYS disappoint you.
The point being is our parties are built to win it all, to appeal to as broad a segment of the voters as possible. Not 80% of the electorate but 50%+. While in Canada, for example, the far left NDP does not expect to come close to 50% ever. They aim for their small slice and hope the party just to the right of them, the LP, finishes just short of a majority of seats.
The political insiders know this is a farce.
Others, not capable of critical thought, have political battered wives syndrome.
They keep getting lied to, and getting their teeth knocked out, yet keep coming back for more.
"Silly behavior" is asking a simple question of you?
You expected him to endorse Ron Paul?
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Deloris L. Odegaard
FAIRMONT – Memorial services for Deloris L. Odegaard, 81, of Fairmont, Minn., will be 11 a.m. Monday, July 1, 2013, at Lakeview Funeral Home in Fairmont. Burial will be following the service in Lake Belt Cemetery near Ceylon.
Deloris passed away Thursday afternoon, June 27, 2013, at Mayo Clinic Health System in Fairmont. Friends may visit the family from 5-7 p.m. Sunday, June 30, 2013, at Lakeview Funeral Home in Fairmont. Lakeview Funeral Home and Cremation Service of Fairmont is assisting the family with arrangements.
Deloris Lynn (Prust) Odegaard was born Jan. 30, 1932, in Galveston, Texas, the daughter of Vernon W. and Ida Christine (Messer) Prust. As a young girl, Deloris moved to Ceylon, Minn., where she attended school and graduated from Ceylon High School in 1949. On June 5, 1949, Deloris was united in marriage to Norman R. Odegaard. Together the couple made their home on the family farm on the edge of Ceylon and was blessed with seven children. Deloris worked for her parents at their caf for a number of years and also worked as a cook at Ceylon High School. Following their retirement from farming, Deloris and Norman enjoyed spending their winters in Arizona for over 30 years. While in Arizona, Deloris worked for H&R Block and also at the Apache Swap Meet in Apache Junction. In her spare time, Deloris enjoyed painting, working in her garden, crocheting, embroidery and cooking. She will be remembered for her famous brownies and fudge.
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Volume 6 Number 1
On the Shelves
On the Shelves features book recommendations from Princeton Seminary faculty and staff to help alumni/ae choose books that contribute to their personal and professional growth.
Brian K. Blount, associate professor of New Testament
The Bold Alternative: Staying in Church in the 21st Century, by Gary W. Charles. (Louisville: Geneva Press, 2001.) Gary Charles studies individuals in mainline churches to determine what's behind their decision to stay and serve in an environment where membership in mainline churches has been in decline.
Jack W. Stewart, Ralph B. and Helen S. Ashenfelter Associate Professor of Ministry and Evangelism
The Church in the Power of the Spirit, by Jürgen Moltmann. (New York: Harper & Row, 1977.) Most academic observers of the contemporary church point to a deepening ambiguity about the nature and mission of the church. In a mountain range of works on ecclesiology, Moltmann's book remains larger and more distinguished than the rest.
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The 'red line'
THUMBS DOWN: It seems as if President Barack Obama is trying desperately to avoid shouldering the responsibility of deciding to wage an attack on Syria by passing the buck – not just to Congress, but to the entire world. His "red line" stance has been criticized by the right to the point where it appears the president has felt the need to deflect criticism to just about everyone. "I didn't set a red line. The world set a red line," he told reporters on the first day of a four-day trip to Sweden and Russia to attend the G-20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russia. We know this is dangerous ground for any member of Congress who intends on running in 2014, but that's not the case for Obama. This is a time the president needs to lead and make decisions based on his principles and beliefs; in the end, either the blame or the acclaim will fall on him anyway. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, but Obama has already made it clear he thinks the U.S. should step up and send a potent message to other countries that use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated. Now he must follow through, no matter whose red line it is.
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Tragedy in Granite Falls
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Terry, I'm curious, are you still around 64% hydration, 700 F oven and about the same amount of char that you had when you opened? If so, what's your baking time? I have a 3 minute, 65% hydration, 600 F oven pie that's got a similar amount of char and I'd like to see how my stone/oven stacks up. My flour is definitely higher protein than your blend, but it would be nice to know for reference.
Hey Terry,I have a couple of questions for you and any other experts out there... 1) I think you have said before that you use a blend of 50/50 bread and '00' flour, what does adding the 00 add to the finished pizza? 2) I use a strong bread flour, 58-62% water, 2% salt and 0.5% idy and I bake on a stone in my oven at 220 degrees C and then finish under the broiler. I have noticed lately that even though my crust has colour it never has crunch (always just soft and chewy like bread ) any tips? That's why I asked about the 50/50 blend.. Thank you all for your time.Paul
For me, adding the 00 flour did two things. It added a nice light crispiness to the crust and it kept the crust from charring to much. The negative was it reduced browning too much(in my oven) so I have switched to an organic flour which has been great for me. I think 220 is quite a low temperature, so that may be the problem. How long do you bake for?
Has anyone else tried organic four? I have heard that Chris Bianco uses an organic high protein 00 flour. Anyone have any idea why the dough was so wet?
I just got in my guisto's /Central Milling organic high gluten flour. I found @ 62% it to be surprisingly tacky.
Patrick, I forget are you on the east coast I think? Jersey? gotta wonder if this monsoon that has been ripping through has anything to do with it? I have some of his flour coming too, but not the HG.-marc
Patrick,So where did you get the Guistos? what about the sir Lancelot? I left mama at home in Jersey But hear its really bad! I am In Park City for a boys weekend skiing and eating very bad pizza where available. I here there is a newer wood fired in Salt Lake. may try to hit that. Hope you have good luck with the flourJohn
Terry I think you have some competition on the big pizza skin. , go to 3:33.
Those look awesome. Do you use your pizza dough to make them...
Are you taking strips of dough and twisting them into loaves, or are those knife slashes? They really look great!


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Having a child is a big deal and there's no longer the strong network of social support for it - from relatives, friends, and neighbors - that there was in generations past, let alone in the hunter-gatherer groups in which humans evolved. And many fathers have not stepped up to fill the vacuum: the average mother is working away about 20 hours a week more than her partner is, whether or not she's drawing a paycheck. As result, the day-to-day — minute-to-minute — activities of caring for a young child usually fall mainly to the mother.
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None of this is good for the mother, to be sure. And it cannot help but spill over onto the children, both in terms of less patience and energy for them as well as the impact on them of problems in their parents' relationship. And it naturally affects fathers, too. Researchers have found that fathers who are more involved in the daily life of the family and strong teammates with the mother have better mood, more sense of pride in their competence as a parent, and a closer and more satisfying relationship with their partner. Not bad!
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Even though the effects of maternal stress and depletion are plainly visible in well-documented research - an affect society as a whole through increased healthcare expenses, lost workforce productivity, and the social costs of divorce - there's been shockingly little attention to the needs of mothers.
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Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region in southern China, where I live, is sugar central for the country. Over two-thirds of China's output of sugar is grown right here, making it one of the largest sugar production areas on the planet. I have a second home in the countryside and it is surrounded by sugar cane fields.
Much of this is produced by small time farmers, although huge Chinese and international companies have also moved in.
Also, sugar is used extensively in Chinese cooking, not only as a sweetener, but more as a spice. A little added to a savoury dish can bring out otherwise hidden flavours. It also has medicinal attributes according to traditional Chinese medicine.
Supermarkets have what was to me, on first sight, a huge range of sugars, some almost unrecognisable. Here is a brief introduction to some of them. Most sugar is sold loose, although corner shops and mom 'n pop stores may have pre-packed bags. These are often labelled in English as "candy", the Chinese language not differentiating between "sugar" and "candy" - always a source of confusion. Both are 糖 (táng),
IMPORTANT NOTE: The Chinese names given here and in the images are the names most used locally. They are all Mandarin Chinese, but it is still possible that other names may be used elsewhere in China. Certainly, non-Mandarin speaking areas will be different.
By the far the simplest way to get your sugar ration is to buy the unprocessed sugar cane. This is not usually available in supermarkets but is a street vendor speciality. In the countryside, you can buy it at the roadside. There are also people in markets etc with portable juice extractors who will sell you a cup of pure sugar cane juice.
I remember being baffled then amused when, soon after I first arrived in China, someone asked me if I wanted some 甘蔗 (gān zhè). It sounded exactly like 'ganja' or cannabis. No such luck! 甘蔗 (gān zhè) is 'sugar cane'.
The most common sugar in the supermarkets seems to be 冰糖 (bīng táng) which literally means 'ice 'sugar' and is what we tend to call 'rock sugar' or 'crystal sugar'. This highly refined sugar comes in various lump sizes although the price remains the same no matter if the pieces are large or small. Around ¥7/500g. That pictured below features the smaller end of the range.
Related to this is what is known as 冰片糖 (bīng piàn táng) which literally means "ice slice sugar". This is usually slightly less processed (although I have seen a white version, but not recently) and is usually a pale brown to yellow colour. This may be from unprocessed cane sugar extract, but is often white sugar coloured and flavoured with added molasses. It is also sometimes called 黄片糖 (huáng piàn táng) or "yellow slice sugar". ¥6.20/500g.
A less refined, much darker version is known as 红片糖 (hóng piàn táng), literally 'red slice sugar'. (Chinese seems to classify colours differently - what we know as 'black tea' is 'red tea' here. ¥7.20/500g.
Of course, what we probably think of as regular sugar, granulated sugar is also available. Known as 白砂糖 (bái shā táng), literally "white sand sugar', it is the cheapest at ¥3.88/500g.
A brown powdered sugar is also common, but again, in Chinese, it isn't brown. It's red and simply known as 红糖 (hóng táng). ¥7.70/500g
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eG member @Carolyn Phillips has just published her ten-year-long-gestated Chinese cook book, All Under Heaven. 500 pages on China's 35 cuisines. Gathering rave reviews. I've ordered my copy. Can't wait.
Simultaneously, her "Dim Sum Field Guide is published.
She hasn't posted much here recently, but who would or could while writing two books at the same time - one of them a huge tome?
Congratulations Carolyn.
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A few weeks ago I bought a copy of this cookbook which is a best-selling spin off from the highly successful television series by China Central Television - A Bite of China as discussed on this thread. .
The book was published in August 2013 and is by Chen Zhitian (陈志田 - chén zhì tián). It is only available in Chinese (so far).
There are a number of books related to the television series but this is the only one which seems to be legitimate. It certainly has the high production standards of the television show. Beautifully photographed and with (relatively) clear details in the recipes.
Here is a sample page.
Unlike in most western cookbooks, recipes are not listed by main ingredient. They are set out in six vaguely defined chapters. So, if you are looking for a duck dish, for example, you'll have to go through the whole contents list. I've never seen an index in any Chinese book on any subject.
In order to demonstrate the breadth of recipes in the book and perhaps to be of interest to forum members who want to know what is in a popular Chinese recipe book, I have sort of translated the contents list - 187 recipes.
This is always problematic. Very often Chinese dishes are very cryptically named. This list contains some literal translations. For some dishes I have totally ignored the given name and given a brief description instead. Any Chinese in the list refers to place names. Some dishes I have left with literal translations of their cryptic names, just for amusement value.
I am not happy with some of the "translations" and will work on improving them. I am also certain there are errors in there, too.
Back in 2008, the Chinese government issued a list of official dish translations for the Beijing Olympics. It is full of weird translations and total errors, too. Interestingly, few of the dishes in the book are on that list.
Anyway, for what it is worth, the book's content list is here (Word document) or here (PDF file). If anyone is interested in more information on a dish, please ask. For copyright reasons, I can't reproduce the dishes here exactly, but can certainly describe them.
Another problem is that many Chinese recipes are vague in the extreme. I'm not one to slavishly follow instructions, but saying "enough meat" in a recipe is not very helpful. This book gives details (by weight) for the main ingredients, but goes vague on most condiments.
For example, the first dish (Dezhou Braised Chicken), calls for precisely 1500g of chicken, 50g dried mushroom, 20g sliced ginger and 10g of scallion. It then lists cassia bark, caoguo, unspecified herbs, Chinese cardamom, fennel seed, star anise, salt, sodium bicarbonate and cooking wine without suggesting any quantities. It then goes back to ask for 35g of maltose syrup, a soupçon of cloves, and "the correct quantity" of soy sauce.
Cooking instructions can be equally vague. "Cook until cooked".
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I spent the weekend in western Hunan reuniting with 36 people I worked with for two years starting 20 years ago. All but one, 龙丽花 lóng lì huā, I hadn't seen for 17 years. I last saw her ten years ago. One other, 舒晶 shū jīng, with whom I have kept constant contact but not actually seen, helped me organise the visit in secret. No one else knew I was coming. In fact, I had told Long Lihua that I couldn't come. Most didn't even know I am still in China.
I arrived at my local station around 00:20 in order to catch the 1:00 train northwards travelling overnight to Hunan, with an advertised arrival time of 9:15 am. Shu Jing was to meet me.
When I arrived at the station, armed with my sleeper ticket, I found that the train was running 5 hours late! Station staff advised that I change my ticket for a different train, which I did. The problem was that there were no sleeper tickets available on the new train. All I could get was a seat. I had no choice, really. They refunded the difference and gave me my new ticket.
The second train was only 1½ hours late, then I had a miserable night, unable to sleep and very uncomfortable. Somehow the train managed to make up for the late start and we arrived on time. I was met as planned and we hopped into a taxi to the hotel where I was to stay and where the reunion was to take place.
They had set up a reception desk in the hotel lobby and around half of the people I had come to see were there. When I walked in there was this moment of confusion, stunned silence, then the friend I had lied to about not coming ran towards me and threw herself into my arms with tears running down her face and across her smile. It was the best welcome I've ever had. Then the others also welcomed me less physically, but no less warmly. They were around 20 years old when I met them; now they are verging on, or already are, 40, though few of them look it. Long Lihua is the one on the far right.
Throughout the morning people arrived in trickles as their trains or buses got in from all over China. One woman had come all the way from the USA. We sat around chatting, reminiscing and eating water melon until finally it was time for lunch.
Lunch we had in the hotel dining room. By that time, the group had swelled to enough to require three banqueting tables.
Western Hunan, known as 湘西 xiāng xī, where I was and where I lived for two years - twenty years ago, is a wild mountainous area full of rivers. It was one of the last areas "liberated" by Mao's communists and was largely lawless until relatively recently. It has spectacular scenery.
Hunan is known for its spicy food, but Xiangxi is the hottest. I always know when I am back in Hunan. I just look out the train window and see every flat surface covered in chilis drying in the sun. Station platforms, school playgrounds, the main road from the village to the nearest town are all strewn with chillis.
The people there consider Sichuan to be full of chilli wimps. I love it. When I left Hunan I missed the food so much. So I was looking forward to this. It did not disappoint.
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After receiving great interest and excitement from individuals nation-wide about handball in the London Olympics, prominent USA clubs Chicago Inter HC and NYC THC will host clinics on September 8 for individuals interested in starting handball. Further information can be found on Chicago Inter's site, http://www.chicagointerhandball.com/2012/handball-clinic/ and the direct event link is listed here: http://chicagointerhandballclinic.eventbrite.com/.
Bini Shkumbin of NYC THC expressed, "We are only eight (8) days away from the open practice on September 8 from 3-9 pm. I hope you are excited and ready for a fun, challenging and memorable tryout.
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I dont know at this time, what is on the agenda next. Do you have any ideas that you would want me to try?
Norma,I was salivating over your Panouzzo (you don't have to thank me for salivating ). Is the Panouzzo something that you might consider offering at market or is it too much a specialty product to sell profitably?With respect to your "dead" dough, the byproducts of fermentation that are largely responsible for final crust flavor will survive even as the dough is dying. As long as you can handle the dough and actually be able to form a skin and bake a pizza with it, you will get some really nice crust flavors. You might not get the crust color and the crust might be a bit crackery, but the flavors will survive.Peter
Whey in the preferment? Can you explain exactly what kind of whey and the difference in taste? That sounds interesting.
I'd be curious to know whether the liquid whey was added to the final mix and whether the total water was adjusted to reflect the fact that liquid whey comprises about 93% water (based on data from http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/102/2). Whey is sometimes added to doughs to get increased crust coloration. There is a good article on whey and other dairy ingredients used in baked goods at http://www.bakingbusiness.com/en/Features/Formulating%20and%20R%20and%20D/2010/2/Milks%20Magic.aspx.Peter
That crust looks amazing, Norma. Very colorful toppings, too. I don't think I can hold off now until Saturday for pizza! -ME
Norma,It would be interesting to see photos of Steve's (Ev's) pizzas using the same recipe (as modified to use the whey liquid) but baking the pizzas in his home oven. Peter


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Our thought experiment for the week: draw on your own memories of a simple human encounter — unlikely relationships with non-like-minded people — that you may not have pondered as formative and important.
How can unimaginable social change happen in a world of strangers? Kwame Anthony Appiah is a philosopher who studies ethics and his parents' marriage helped inspire the movie Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. In a tense moment in American life, he has refreshing advice on simply living with difference.
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I have been "reflecting" since the closing of your March 24 broadcast. A number of thoughts pass thru my mind.
Foremost is having seen & experienced what Mr. Appiah suggests. Conversation first as a way to establish trust & understanding, then "agreement to disagree". I have been fortunate to travel with a few people, now friends, to spend time with and photographing hill tribes, migratory tribes, boat dwellers as well as small town dwellers in Burma (5 times), India (2 times), Laos (2 times), North Vietnam, Cambodia, central China, Uzbekistan, and Jordan(between intafadas.) We enter these remote villages cautiously, not in thought of our own safety, but hoping not to startle the residents. We engage in conversation out of pure interest & respect - acceptance having replaced judgement as soon as we leave US airspace. We find that interest returned. Conversations may sometimes lead to deeper issues - religion, politics. With one exception we have never tried to convince, or be convinced by the other party. We often marvel that, at the most basic unit of these societies, the tribe, that neither of us wants to do the other harm. And we wonder collectively what it is that dilutes these attitudes & feelings as individuals gain political and/or military power. (As to photography, we NEVER make a photograph without permission, nor do we photograph anything that might embarass or belittle the subject. We may wait hours before a camera is drawn,)
The exception I refer to above took place in Amman, Jordan as my wife & I approached an open market, a large man appeared from one of the stalls shaking his fist and yelling "Americans no good". Without hesitation we approached him and asked him why. Neither of us spoke the others language, but we were soon surrounded by others, among whom was someone who could translate. I asked him if I was "no good"? Was my wife "no good"?. No we were OK but Americans no good. "But", I said, many, many Americans are like us. Are they no good"? We eventually got to the heart of the matter, which was his dislike of American intervention is other nations. After further conversation, we agreed that a nations' leaders may be " no good", but that ordinary folks don't always agree with their leaders.
We eventually shared tea, shook hands, and parted. Next day our group of 8 people went back to that market. Out he came, ready to shake his fist. When he saw Elise & me, he exclaimed "Americans Good - leaders no good". My point is that we each learned something about the other, there were other issues we disagreed on, but neither of us wanted to destroy the other.
Again & again we have learned that "ordinary" people want to live their lives in peace & friendship, regardless of the stated but not defended differences.
THe other thought is a saying that I now live by. When I find myself trying to convince another person that my view is a correct one, I ask myself "Is this a hill I want to die on?" I've found very, very few of death worthy hills."
Mr.Appiah said in an elegant and understandable way how I try to live my life, and helped me to know and feel that I am on the right path.
Thank you very much.
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That's a great story, Woody.
That's a great story, Woody. I enjoyed reading your thoughts. I think that "Americans Good! Leaders No Good!" should become a bumper sticker.
Many times people because of their world views profoundly disagree and not on simple matters like who is your favorite sports team, but more often on questions concerning our beliefs of what constitutes "harm" in the realm of right and wrong. If I see harm, but you see "right,"even after long conversations and getting to know one another, then what? I get the impression this show believes our humanity is the only common ground we should concern ourselves with and that all other factors are negotiable, but I wouldn't agree with that.
If we are sincere about wanting to know how we can coexist without giving up our differences we have to discover what nature teaches about that. The answers are there but in our arrogance we think this is one area where we can find the solution to our problems without relying on nature.
I am heartened to hear that every-day, in-person conversation is the fabric of human interaction that allows us to live with our differences. I was struck by the mention of Town Squares as the place where every-day exchanges used to take place. It made me think of the rise of community gardens - in cities, suburbs and even rural towns like mine. Community gardens can be the new Town Square where we share with each other about the weather, what variety of green bean is best, stories of how our mothers and grandmothers grew the best tomatoes or put up the most peaches. And in this day and age where it is an all-around good thing to grow our food closer to home, you've just added another benefit! Another connection I made is to a periodic column in my local newspaper called, Our Neighbors, by Becky Karush. It is wonderfully written and after reading each piece I feel as if I have had a very personal exchange with someone in my community who although might have a very different political orientation from me, shares many of life's joys and sorrows. Here is the most recent one: http://www.reformer.com/ci_17695638?IADID=Search-www.reformer.com-www.re... Thank you, Krista, for another great show.
it was refreshing to listen to mr appish conversation. i am taking away hope that someday we can get pass the divide of different belief systems and accept each other for simply being human not for our political, religious, and sexual beliefs.
I so agree with him....how I can get this conversation into our high school/college....incorporate this knowledge into the local goverments....call in show at local station etc...bring speaker to town...Alaska needs to also offer a counter the spew that is coming from SP...
Mr. Appiah's story about his next-door neighbor made me think of a couple of very nice, warm, friendly, generous people with whom I really disagree. One is politically very conservative, & the other is a fundamentalist Christian. I never understood how I could ever like someone like that, but now it makes sense to me.
Making space, physically and temporally, for the practice of conversation seems as critical as taking time for self-reflection or including a discipline of exercise in our weekly schedules.
Community programs can organize patterns and rituals for such a practice, yet I suspect it is the commitment to private practice that makes the deepest difference and becomes truly transformative.
that the sentence "i have a friend who is x" (ie: gay, muslim, mexican, texan, etc) that people use when attempting to defend a minority group, speaks to what mr. appiah is saying. once we make an emotional connection and "like" a person who we might not otherwise befriend due to prejudice, our feelings are involved and thus our views expanded, prejudices diluted.
that i will bring flowers to my new neighbours on occasion of the birth of their second baby even though they have been very private about it (maybe because they moved only a couple of weeks ago, maybe because of their culture, maybe because of personality traits, or whatever).
that the premise of sidling can be applied to child rearing at different levels:
within the nuclear family, as parents, so many times in the process of raising a child, we become blindly involved/ preoccupied with issues of obedience, academic performance, or our child's future. or we reject a child in both conscious and subconscious ways because their personality is opposite ours or reminds us of someone who made us suffer in our past. in this respect, sidling with children's innate charms and abilities that we enjoy of them and with them may improve the level of empathy we require to be fair to their needs in the here and now.
within a society, ie: school or neighbourhood, it is clear how commiserating on sleepless nights or talking about sports or food, may provide a space to understand and/ or address issues of parenting which may otherwise go misconstrued or vilified.
as always, thanks for inspiration.
...that the guest was impressive, philosophical and articulate. I tune in to get another man's or woman's grip on perspectives in America, and listen to wonderful earfuls of thought and opinions coming from people who have walked through touching life experiences, and have taken such poetic notes along the way. I never cease to feel reconnected and revitalized after hearing you, Krista,every Sunday morning as you dig into our spiritual and/or soulful condition, and I will add "The Honor Code" to my list of 'need-to-reads'.
Thank you again for a job well and provokingly done.
I love this show! Not just this one, but in general. Thank you.
Re this one, I think your guest (Kwame Anthony Appiah) gave voice and structure to a frustration I've felt for some time about recent political issues and debates, and the media coverage thereof. Speakers will not (or cannot) explain the reasoning behind their particular beliefs, making them seem more like religious tenets than philosophical viewpoints. Reporters/interviewers don't help, as their questions--those that end up on the air, at any rate--dig no deeper into the "why" of what is said. We get no sense that people have reached these conclusions through empirical or thoughtful means. It's as if they received a beliefs menu and checked off a few options--or went with the daily special. Perhaps if we knew some of the experiences and thoughts along the way that led that person to those conclusions, we all might be able to be more understanding, less strident.
No story to share, here, just a rather disjointed thought on a Sunday morning.
In their recent book, American Grace, Robert Putnam and David Campbell used sociological data to make exactly the same point that Prof. Appiah did: Americans are religiously tolerant because their friends and relatives belong to so many different religions. Have you considered inviting Prof. Putnam to join your Civil Conversations Project?
When I was a child we moved many times (21 in 18 years) so my brother and I were always the new kids on the block. I don't know how old I was when I formulated my concept of how to "fit in." It was really quite simple and I continue to use it when meeting new people to this day. I decided that people were like quilts and that, in order, to get to know them all you had to do was find a square on your quilt (personality, interests, etc.) that matched or coordinated with a square on their quilt. When your guest spoke about finding routes to conversation with others it reminded me of that concept. It is so true that all you need for civil discourse is to find a common language. We, people, are so much more alike than we are different.
I'm a Unity minister and tomorrow, the fifth Sunday of Lent, I'm speaking about Overcoming. I will review the experience of overcoming in which we participate - consciously or not. I will recap the many personal things we overcome by praying, meditation, denying, affirming, setting intentions, etc. Those incluse things like fear, shyness, procrastination, insecurity, jealousy, overeating, addiction, anxiety, indecisiveness, etc. Then, because I listed to this podcast on my walk the last two days, I'm going to add something new. The quote I'm using dates to the turn of that last century and was written by Charles Fillmore, "The work that I have to do as a overcomer for the world is to help establish a new race consciousness, a new heaven and a new earth." I'm inviting people to join me in the intention to overcome ideas that perpetuate dualism. Thanks to you, I will use some of the examples that Kwame provided and, thanks to you, I will take them "to the streets." Thank you. I appreciate you. I behold the Christ as you.
I'm a Unity minister and tomorrow, the fifth Sunday of Lent, I'm speaking about Overcoming. I will review the experience of overcoming in which we participate - consciously or not. I will recap the many personal things we overcome by praying, meditation, denying, affirming, setting intentions, etc. Those incluse things like fear, shyness, procrastination, insecurity, jealousy, overeating, addiction, anxiety, indecisiveness, etc. Then, because I listed to this podcast on my walk the last two days, I'm going to add something new. The quote I'm using dates to the turn of that last century and was written by Charles Fillmore, "The work that I have to do as a overcomer for the world is to help establish a new race consciousness, a new heaven and a new earth." I'm inviting people to join me in the intention to overcome ideas that perpetuate dualism. Thanks to you, I will use some of the examples that Kwame provided and, thanks to you, I will take them "to the streets." Thank you. I appreciate you. I behold the Christ as you.
I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation with Professor Appiah. I was struck, indeed dismayed, by your characterization of one major axis of difference in the U.S. as the "Tea Party" folks vs. the "liberal elites." This shows how much, wittingly or unwittingly, the Tea Party language permeates your presentation. Who are the liberal elites? Are they the ones who believe in scientific thinking to understand climate change? The ones who are trying to improve public eduction? The teachers who are laid off because of Tea Party-minded state and local budget cutting?
On Being is such a well put
On Being is such a well put together podcast in so many ways. Besides the obvious things like great content and wonderful voices to listen to, there are moments like those between 20:47 - 21:17 in this episode that just about brilliant. What a great song and editing.
People think town meetings in
People think town meetings in Vermont are quaint and antiquated, but they address exactly what Mr. Appiah is suggesting. People want to be heard. People come with something they want to say, that they want people in town to hear, and once they've had the chance to do that, they are much more willing to listen to others and go with the majority opinion and vote. It's hard to make town meeting good. Hard to choose a time when people can attend, to bring up subjects that really need to be discussed, to keep one local faction from overriding another. But the possibility to share with others in your community is there and very valuable. And such opportunities are shrinking in current American life.
In the beginning was the deed
In the beginning was the deed, indeed. We learn and pass on culture through practices (cooking, celebrating birthdays, crying in public or not). Working together, doing together helps us see unfamiliar others as human first, different from ourselves second. This is, I think, the operation that Rebecca Solnit wrote about in her book about the civilizing effect of disasters, how trouble can work to bring unlikely people into harmony. Magnet schools are a practice that puts this idea into action. I teach at an urban school that draws half its students from the city, and half from 25-30 different ring towns. Children from a wide variety of economic, ethnic, religious, and educational back grounds work together in classes, in band, in chorus, in the school play, on the track team. Because we draw students from such a wide area, children need not change schools when they move. Serendipitously, social media helps these students who live in different neighborhoods to strengthen and sustain their friendships. But first, it's the doing together that builds the human connections.
In my life the way to
In my life the way to encourage civil experiences like the kind illustrated in this segment is to be civil daily; not with an agenda of hoping one day to convince or sway an intended target.
There are folks in my community whom I see & recognize as local residents. I do not know them. I seek to hold their eye for a second: " I see you". If you hold my eye for a second you see: "I accept you". No words are spoken here; it would likely be considered inappropriate to say these things.
I say hello if the circumstances allow. It becomes safe in our community when we see each other. Our community becomes unsafe when we do not recognize each other.
Thank you for your work. cam
I couldn't listen to the
I couldn't listen to the whole show, so maybe I missed this. It seems the guest, and the tone of the show, suggests that if we can engage in dialogue then we can accept common principles to lead us forward towards accepting difference and disagreement. But this is, by definition (admitted by the guest), a liberal position. This is then a selfish request for dialogue with those "conservatives" that, rightly or wrongly, desire only control. There should be no confusion: modern conservatism is about authoritarian control (possibly often for malicious ends). To suggest that they would "dialogue" is to betray blindness to this fact. They will have no dialogue that they will not control.
This was such an inspiring
This was such an inspiring show. I have many wonderful relationships with people whose political views are completely different from mine. I deeply value the common ground of being human. It has been my experience that the biggest problem in communication is that we don't know how to LISTEN. When another is speaking, we are usually listening to our own thoughts and rehearsing our responses rather than simply receiving the idea, perspective, and thought of the other. (Oddly enough, I believe that this comes from a driven need to be heard)! By suspending our own 'thought chatter' in order to hear anothers perspective, it does not mean that we are automatically changing our perspective or agreeing with them. It also does not mean that we will forget our brilliant views. In fact, if we were to take the time to be curious and interested in understanding another viewpoint and to make an effort to understand what the other is saying, our response might be even more brilliant!
Beautiful. I would like to
Beautiful. I would like to hear an Interview with Parker Palmer around the Habits of the Heart outlined in "Healing The Heart Of Democracy" as part of the Civil Conversations Project. Thanks for doing this - I am using different books to have conversations around civil discourse and how things change.
I would like to hear more
I would like to hear more details about how Kwame Anthony Appiah, being liberal and gay, and his Pentecostal sister have maintained a relationship.
This was a wonderful
This was a wonderful broadcast, and an excellent counterpoint to the kind of divisive prose I am used to reading on many other news outlets.
As for the experience story prompted at the end of the program...
About five years ago, I was fortunate enough to attend the International Summer School in Oslo, Norway (ISS). The school, known for its internationally diverse student body, was the kind of place that offered many unique opportunities to a young man from the heartland. Any given meal or social event could provide conversation with Nepalese, Ethiopian, Albanian or Brazilian students. Often times, I was struck by how unabashedly concerned and critical they were with American diplomacy at that time (I attended the school in the summer of 2007).
One of the richest experiences I had occurred in the campus laundry mat. I had begun the washer and sat down to study some of my Norwegian language coursework. A few minutes into the wash cycle, a young women of middle eastern descent entered the laundry room and began washing her clothes. I do not remember what generated our conversation, but I quickly learned that she was an Iraqi. I was quietly shocked when she was quick to ask what faith I identified with. I said I was Lutheran, and when she asked what that was, I explained its position as a protestant Christan tradition. Her next question was even more brash. Was I a Republican? I answered that I did not consider myself a Republican, and that I identified with the Democratic party on most occasions. She replied, "I thought all American Christians were Republican." Sensing her good humored manner and ease of conversation, I asked if she was in support of jihad. When she replied, "No!" I mentioned that many Christians in the United States did not support the war in Iraq, that a great split over the issue had occurred, even within the conversation within church communities.
We had a wonderful discussion about our experiences in the summer program and lighter words about present life, but the interaction with the Iraqi women in the ISS laundry room has always struck me as a great insight into the world of misinformation that seeks to confuse the great amount of rational people who operate in a moderate, but still impassioned position, regardless of their geographic location, political position, etc.
One reflection that Kwame Anthony Appiah's words have inspired is the distinction between the kind of conversation that falls easily in a place of higher education, versus the kind of conversation that is riskless in a more vernacular kind of interaction. The exchange that I shared with a women from Iraqi (at a time when my country was maintaining a highly unpopular military presence in hers) was a sum result of our participation in a school known for international studies. The ISS is also known as "The Little U.N." Both of us were primed for this kind of intense discussion, having practiced and normalized it in coursework and the campus' social setting that summer.
I think one of the criticisms that can actually be leveled with the elusive "liberal elite" is that sometimes educated individuals do not identify the tone of conversation that would be more effective in creating conversation. The kind of conversation that occurs in and around the halls of great institutions is privileged conversation. Much of the world does not have the time or learned capacity to command the language and knowledge of matriculated individuals. There should be no shame in higher education, and I don't think this privilege should be subjected to the kind of anti-intellectual movements that have recently made some gains in the United States, but professors and student bodies within higher education can always practice a more tactful, more patient kind of conversation path.
Fortunately, I do know many college professors who are avid sports fans, so the door is open for the kind of discussion that Mr. Appiah is good to promote. I, for one, will be making a greater effort to follow sports, so that at the very least I may find it easier to connect with my fellow Wisconsinites.
Thank you for the delightful broadcast. Down with the Steelers! Go Packers! ;)
I feel as if I am getting a
I feel as if I am getting a Bachelors, Masters, and, to a certain degree, prep of a PhD in a variety of fields all at once by simply listening to On Being podcasts. So much more than I would learn in a classic sense yet lacking because I do not share my thoughts with others on a regular basis (all my doing, of course). That being said, was there an unedited interview with Mr. Appiah recorded ? I enjoy those interviews most of all (counter-intuitive is my middle name). It seems to be the only one missing in my collection. If none is available, I understand. But if an unedited interview is available, could it be emailed to me? I subscribe to the newsletter also. Thank you Krista and all of your crew for the work that you do on On Being. I am changed for the better. Be well :)