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Most likely a Mechanical or Industrial degree will help you get into a Masters in Packaging Engineering later on. They are both related to packaging engineering it just depends on what you want to focus on. For more information I would look into colleges that offer Masters in Packaging Engineering and reach out to an admissions officer and ask what they look for.
Hello I'm glad you are interested in industrial engineering. Industrial Engineers work in many industries to design better systems of people, machines, information, and energy - from helping design systems which make different kinds of products (such as makeup, cars, even breakfast cereal!) to helping organize transportation systems (such as airline schedules and truck routes) to making health care systems work more effectively (so it takes less time to be seen by a doctor in an emergency room).
There is a new video out about IE careers - have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMbJuTlajsw
No matter what kind of engineering you want to be, you should take a solid math and science curriculum in high school - in math, take math every year up through pre-calculus or even calculus if it is offered. You should also take science every year - chemistry, physics, earth science - whatever the complete, college-prep science sequence is in your state. All engineering colleges will expect you to have taken math and science throughout high school. If a computer programming course is offered, that can be good experience as well. At 4 year colleges or universities you would choose to be an engineering major (generally) or a specific kind of engineering major (for instance, industrial engineering or electrical engineering). At community or 2 year colleges there is usually an engineering science or engineering prep curriculum that allows you to transfer to 4 year colleges for engineering. (Engineering technology is usually not the same thing). Your high school guidance counselors or the admissions counselors at the colleges can help you pick. It is also easy to find information about majors on college web sites.
You ask if there is a big difference between different kinds of engineering - there are differences in the types of things people work on day to day between different kinds of engineers (say, chemical compared to electrical) - but there are also differences WITHIN the types of engineering. Some civil engineers might design structures such as bridges, while others work to make waste water treatment safer. Some industrial engineers use math to design airline schedules, while others measure the quality of automotive products. The good news is the you do not have to make up your mind about what kind of engineer you want to be right now. Math and science courses are the right preparation for all engineering majors. At most colleges, you can become an engineering student even if you are not sure of what kind of engineering you want to take. The freshman and sometimes sophomore year courses are similar and flexible so you can switch from one engineering major to another easily. Colleges usually offer courses to help introduce freshmen to all kinds of engineering careers - even some you haven't ever heard of - to help students make that decision. If you have any other questions, please let me know.
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The USPS will have openings posted on their website. They ask specific questions pertaining to industrial engineering KSA (knowledge, skill, and ability). When answering these questions then you must show your knowledge, skills, and industrial engineering abilities. I believe a week or two after the posting closed then I received a response from the USPS. Be your self and make sure you have examples that display your knowledge, skills, and abilities in industrial engineering.
I am not aware of any case studies within the past 5 years. Industrial Engineering is not Mechanical Engineering. I have seen industries that hire mechanical and industrial engineers as manufacturing engineers. I know that different schools offer new programs since I completed my master's in Industrial Engineering, but I believe Industrial and Mechanical Engineering are different.
Hi Jill,
It sounds like you've put a lot of thought into what you want to do with your future and that is really great. I always encourage those getting ready to go to university to think about what they want to do with their lives -- Like you explained, what school you go to and what you study are sometimes related. Every school has its strength and weaknesses, and some schools offer programs and degrees that another school does not. So good job to you for researching the schools you are interested in.
My degree is in Material Science and Engineering and I have an amazing job that involves chemistry and the production of "cool stuffs". The other people I know that studied Material Science and Engineering with me also found really interesting jobs -- we all ended up in different fields of industry but are all still doing something cool. So if that's what interests you and you think that is something you want to study, I say go for it!
As for double majoring, it can be difficult to do but a lot of people do it successfully. It will just mean having to be especially focused on your studies.
Last but not least, although I grew up in the US, my parents are from the Philippines and studied at the universities so I am familiar with both of the colleges that you mention. Both schools can give you the training and education that you need to be successful in the workplace as long as you work hard and study diligently.
Best of luck,
Working with hair products goes along with other types of personal products and cosmetics. If you want to work on directly developing the formula's for these types of products you should consider a chemical engineering degree. If you like the idea of working on the process of making these products then you might also consider industrial or process engineering.
Finding a scholarship can be challenging in any field, but luckily there are lots to choose from for most engineering majors. Try reviewing our blog article on finding scholarships and our scholarships resource section to get you started. Good luck!
My advice would be to go for chemical engineering (although to be up front and honest, I am a chemical engineer). Nuclear engineering is a very specialized field and does not cover the whole spectrum of a nuclear site; it focuses on the reactor. A chemical engineering bachelor's degree opens doors to almost all areas within a nuclear site, both the reactor and the secondary side that includes radioactive waste, environmental, etc. In addition, a chemical engineering bachelor's still leaves the option for courses or a master's degree in nuclear engineering.
Don't be scared off by having difficulty with dual credit chemistry! Chemistry takes time to understand. If you struggled in dual credit chemistry, sign up for general chemistry in your first year at university. You will probably have an easier time of it and will get a better understanding that will make all your future classes easier to understand.
For job opportunities, chemical engineering is always a highly sought after degree for employers. Industrial engineers face a lot of competition from mechanical engineers, who are arguably better qualified depending on the particular position. Nuclear engineering, because it is so specialized, has limited job opportunities but would likely pay more than chemical, mechanical or industrial. There are a number of unknowns for the future of the nuclear industry, especially in the US where several sites (SONGS and Kewaunee) have announced permanent shutdowns. When you combine those unknowns with the versatility of a chemical engineering degree and the different opportunities I have been offered, I think that chemical engineering is the best choice.
Industrial Engineering could support manufacturing of cosmetics and potentially textiles; also IEs might work in the logistics of clothing inventory & shipping (e.g., how many jeans of each type should be made and shipped to stores around the world). The development of cosmetics may be related to a career in chemical engineering - I would recommend you contact a chemical engineer to see if they work in that industry.
You could also investigate textile engineering - they develop methods for creating textiles and also work in research on aspects such as "smart" fabrics that can sense medical conditions, for instance. I believe there is a textile engineering program at Georgia Tech.
Hope this helps.
Hi Madeline,
You are doing the right things by shadowing some practicing engineers. One positive thing is that most engineering fields share the same set of core classes in college, so the first two years of any engineering program will be close to the same, no matter which discipline you want to pursue.
One thing I did was once I got into college, I made appointments with all the heads of the different engineering departments that I was interested in. This included Civil, Industrial, Mechanical and Electrical Engineering department heads. In my experience, most of the heads of the departments will have some 'real life' work experience, and my main two questions for them was, 'Why did you choose this field?' and 'Why are you still excited to work in this field?'
Seeing as how you enjoy the psychology side of things already, I would guess that any job that involves human interaction, negotiating and navigating the relationship side of business is going to interest you. This can be found in any engineering field.
Each engineering discipline has unique characteristics that set it apart from the others. Civil engineering (traffic engineering falls under this) usually involves some type of creation/construction. Whether it's buildings, bridges, or traffic signal patterns, civil engineering puts things together. Industrial engineering is process flow and improvement. This could involve anything from hospitals (think about how items move from supply room to operating room) to package flow (think UPS and FedEx). Mechanical engineering is more hands on, and involves making things work independently. Think elevators to airplane engines.
The best advice I can give you is to continue to seek people out who can share with you the pieces of their job they enjoy and don't enjoy. Ask why they picked their profession/engineering discipline and see if any of their answers create an excitement in you.
Good luck with your senior year, and keep looking towards the future!
Hello Dasia,
It depends on your goals. In any engineering discipline you have to statistics classes but that will not be the focus. If you want to go in depth with statistics then I would do it has a BS. I think that starting off developing your thought process as an engineer earlier is better rather than later. I hope this helps.
My name is An'Tenesha and I'm a Freshman at Auburn University majoring in Chemical Engineering. I'm thinking about changing to industrial because of the stories I have heard about this major when dealing with cosmetics. I want to not only create cosmetic products but have my own cosmetic line. I was wondering if I should switch to industrial or stick with chemical?
Hello Kirsten,
I am assuming you would like to stay local. Here are some options below
1. If you do not want to stay consider a program that may be outside of where you stay. This can be a great way to experience a new environment and there might be more resources.
2.Consider a System Engineering or Operations Management type program those are closely related to the field. Depending on what concentrations you liked within Industrial Engineering there could be other disciplines. Currently my focus is more Operations Research which is using mathematical modeling to solve problems. You can also do Manufacturing, Human Factors and Business side (i.e. cost analysis, Engineering Economy.
Just take some time to see exactly what you want to focus on that would make it clear. I hope this helps if you have any other questions feel free to send another questions.
Hello Taylor,
Although I am not taking the path you are I believe the more knowledge you have about different things makes you more marketable. Industrial Engineering does have a lot of classes related to business. This type of engineering you do learn about making a product which is helpful in marketing a product. I think this will probably help you with what you feel you are missing by just doing marketing. I would just consider what your goals for when you finish school this may also make your answer easier. Hope this helps!
Hello Sabryn,
I cannot necessarily speak for Nuclear Engineering. But, I will begin by saying it depends on what you are interested in working on. Industrial Engineering focus on process improvement, efficiency and cost savings in simple terms. However, there are many areas you can focus on or learn about including:
(1) manufacturing which is creating an actual product that you can eventually buy or sell,
(2) human factors which deal with the impact of systems and a particular job on a human,
(3) operations research which deals with solving problems with math and computer programs,
(4) design- creating facilities, products etc. efficiently using software that can draft or sketch,
(5) are lots of classes dealing with determining the most cost efficient projects or products to use in your project.
As, you can see there are many areas you can focus on which can allow you work in just about any field. I hope this helps with your selection.
I wanted to be a Industrial Engineer because I liked making changes. As a Industrial Engineer in industry you are seen as a change agent. You will be responsible for maintaining, enhancing, and evaluating systems. If you enjoy making changes, evaluating systems, and finding ways to keep a system in control then this field will be good for you.
Dear Yolandi,
Unfortunately, since we do not have any engineers in the directory from South Africa, you are probably in a much better position to answer this question than anyone on EngineerGirl. You might start by contacting companies associated with larger organizations like the Cosmetic Export Council of South Africa or the Cosmetic Toiletry and Fragrance Association. L'Oreal offers internships also. Good luck!
Hi Beatrice, thanks for your questions. You are making a great choice to be a software engineer. I learned many skills from my USC education and I am really happy that I studied engineering.
I have listed the three majors that you mentioned with a link to their undergraduate website.
The CS major has over half its classes as coding classes. ISE has approximately 3 coding classes and ISIS computer track has approximately 5 coding classes. If you are unsure what major to pick, remember that you can always transfer into a different major once you have started school at USC. This link (http://viterbi.usc.edu/students/undergrad/handbook.htm) has links to all the majors and course requirements - click on CS, ISE, and ISIS to get a better idea of which courses and schedules look interesting.
I decided to major in ISE as an undergraduate at USC because it incorporated both engineering and management perspectives. In ISE, I learned about systems, processes, and people and how they all work together to drive innovation and technology in an organization. If I had studied CS, I would have focused more on knowledge and skills for system, hardware, and software development as well as related theories and algorithms. I am now in graduate school at Brown University, and I am studying Computer Science which builds perfectly on my ISE background.
Also, it is never too early to start coding - check out the following websites for courses or tutorials:www.codecademy.com, www.edx.org, http://girlswhocode.com, http://code.org, and www.lynda.com. Keep up the hard work and follow your engineering dream!!
Hello Kacey,
I am happy you are interested in Industrial engineering. Product development is really a fun area, especially because now you can get into 3D printing and things of that nature. To just start with the Masters maybe be possible depending on the program you go into, however, you will still have to take some courses at the undergraduate level to get those core classes. If you go with the bachelor's first it will help you get a better sense of the engineering side of things. Plus since you already have some classes from your art degree it should take a little less time. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Hello Kennedy! I'm glad you are exploring your options now and looking at how best to utilize your educational experience to pursue a career that interests you most and will be most fulfilling! I am an Industrial Engineer...I've always loved to organize, prioritize and logically place things in order to optimize results. I've worked in a large manufacturing environment and in other settings and one thing I've learned over the years is...engineers can be found in various work environments, various levels of an organization and doing a vast array of work tasks based on the company/organization's particular goals. One cute "snippet" I found might help you some...Civil engineers build the world; Mechanical engineers run the world; Electrical engineers power the world; Computer engineers program the world; Electronics engineers gadgetize the world and Industrial engineers manage the world. ALL engineering careers are going to contribute to our environment and society but one question that is tougher is what organization/company are you wanting to work for in the future. The best way to learn (that I've found) is through Work-Study, Internship programs and volunteering for various organizations (I still volunteer today with FIRST Robotics!). You learn first-hand what a company is all about and how they are tied to our world and what they contribute. I believe your love for Math and Science is much needed and pursuing an engineering degree is going to offer you that opportunity to work with these particular skills for a lifetime, but ultimately your choice in employer will drive how closely you contribute to society in a manner that you prefer. I am now a Manager at a gas utility so I don't really do much "engineering" as much as managing people now. But with the previous positions I've held, I've optimized workloads for assembly line workers, worked with vendors to optimize delivery of materials, re-engineered production lines, managed hardware inventories and deployments, implemented new software solutions to field personnel, lead projects within my organizations and served on special focus groups as a resource and subject matter expert. The aspect of Industrial Engineering that I've always loved the most and appreciate greatly is this field of study has always been closely tied with "working with people" and the systems that people work with...meaning I've never been locked in a room (or with a tiny group) for any great length of time...I've always been able to work with people and allowed to get up (from a desk) to go look, see and do to provide more viable solutions. I'm glad you're considering engineering and I'm wishing you only the very best with your college career and your future engineering career. If I can help further, please let me know. Remember to never stop learning!! -Priscilla
Hi Linh, my first thought is why did you choose pre-nursing? What are your self-perceived skills that led you to the pre-nursing field? After that question is answered, the second question is what made you consider engineering, and specifically, industrial engineering? Choosing the path that you will walk down the rest of your life is a serious undertaking, and it's important to know your own strengths and weaknesses before considering majors. With all that said, the first place I'd go look when considering engineering is your university's Career Center. You're nowhere near graduation, but you should know what jobs are out there in the field you're looking into. What jobs are hiring IE's? Read the job description, research the company (don't get hung up on a salary), ask yourself if you could see yourself working in that company, etc. Then go talk to professors with field experience. Ask them why they chose the profession, ask them what interested them most about working in the industry, and ask them what they feel is the most important quality for an Industrial Engineer to have. As far as the course work, I'm sure you know it's heavy math and science. It is demanding, and I've always thought it wasn't so much the content that was important (you probably won't use 50% of what you learn from the book), but it's the problem solving skills you develop. You have to go into it knowing that it will be VERY difficult at times, but also knowing that you're going to stick with it and persevere. I wish you the best of luck choosing your future. It's limitless right now, so know your own heart first.
Mia, thank you for submitting the question and I'm thrilled you are looking into your future and how best to match your skillset, interests and career goals to ensure you choose the education that best meets your lifelong plan.
Industrial Engineering is definitely a diversified engineering field. I have my Industrial Engineering degrees, however, over the past 10 years, I've mostly worked on Project Management and Continuous Improvement Projects for my company and not much of the manufacturing, logistical and Six Sigma-type tasks most Industrial Engineers work through on a day-to-day basis. I worked in a large manufacturing facility in Wentzville (I'm sure you can guess where) as an Industrial Engineer for the Materials Department and I loved it! The position there was most representative of an IE – reorganizing work tasks, efficiency planning to reduce costs and eliminate waste (both in materials and human work moves/labor) along with streamlining production lines for efficiency and cost-savings. I was walking the manufacturing floor every day, interacting with personnel (both Union and Management) on a regular basis, attending and contributing to meetings on productivity and working through unexpected issues throughout the day (material shortages and re-aligning jobs to keep production moving or personnel shortages and how to maintain production at current speeds using inexperienced personnel – so training on the fly sometimes – to name just a few). It is an exciting environment on the manufacturing/production floor and offers a great training area for new engineers (of all disciplines). I did move on from that employer seeking advancement and pay increases and was hired in another manufacturing environment as a Continuous Improvement Engineer for a much smaller company. Unfortunately that company moved its operations out of state but I was fortunate to quickly find a Project Engineering position with the gas utility here in St. Louis. While I love the Project Management portion of my job, I do have to admit (as an IE) I truly miss the excitement of the manufacturing/production environment.
If you are looking for something that is never boring, never the same, lots of hands-on and offers learning opportunities every day, an Industrial Engineer in the manufacturing world is great! If you are looking for something a little more "calm" and in an office setting, some of the other disciplines in Engineering might be worth a second look. If you are interested in math, science and improving this world in small and big ways…definitely stay in the engineering field.
As for a mentor, I would love to help (I see we both live in O'Fallon!) and I have numerous friends and colleagues in various engineering disciplines which I'm sure we can find you not just one but maybe a few mentors to help you learn more about the various engineering disciplines before you make it through college. I also volunteer with FIRST Robotics and there are some very sharp, interesting and very helpful engineers in the program that are always willing to share their work experience, knowledge and connections with new engineers!
I'm wishing you the very best with your future education and career choice! Stay positive and never stop learning!!
That's a great question, and honestly I don't know the answer. I doubt your degree is useless but it probably needs updating. I would talk with someone at Grand Valley. You might consider taking a couple courses there. In addition to learning new skills, that would give you access to the faculty and career services office. They will have an idea of the types of engineers local employers are hiring.
I'm lucky enough not to have had to have a job interview for a few years but I've been through interviews for certain roles and most recently my Chartership, and I can't actually think of a time where I've faced criticism or sexism in these situations. I'm very sorry if this is not the experiences you've faced and this should definitely not be accepted! I think it's quite common to feel that women have to prove themselves as being a good engineer more so than our male counterparts, and unfortunately the only real way to prove this is through experience. So get some good, hands-on, experiences. Depending on the field of engineering you're interested in, this could be volunteering with a local company or using any connections you may have, be that personal or through your school. It's always good in an interview to be able to reference back to this. Having worked with many larger companies I believe the general feeling, right from senior management, is that female engineers are a good asset to any team. There are of course some people with different views, but I think you can experience this in most walks of life, sexist comments shouldn't be tolerated and if you experience this in an interview this should be reported back to the company HR (if they have one). This may not however, be a company you want to work for.
Interview situations are tough for anyone, so try not to worry about any preconceived ideas the interview may have and be confident in your own abilities. Focus on what you're strengths are and what you can bring to the role.
Do you have an example of something that's happened to you? I'd be happy to give my opinion on how I'd have dealt with the situation?
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Another landmark bites the dustPosted Saturday, March 24, 2012, at 8:18 AM
This photo, taken yesterday, shows the progress being made on the demolition of the old Mirly building at the Highway 25 curve in Advance.
Early in 1945, Ed Mirly received a "permit to build" from the War Production Board in St. Louis, Mo. They were operating under the WWII slogan "FOOD WILL WIN THE WAR AND WRITE THE PEACE."
On Sept. 18, 1945, the Mirly International Harvester Implement Company held its grand opening.
Looking at the photos taken on opening day makes me wonder if the entire 600 inhabitants of the town turned out for the ceremony. Jerry Eggimann, a local farmer, told me that there was a live band and a big dance. His dad is in one of the photos, standing in a line of men with Mirly.
The building was a prototype, one of only three built in the world at that time. One of the three was down in South America somewhere.
According to "Stubbee" May, the office manager, International Harvester couldn't provide them with more than a tractor or two at the beginning, since the war had just ended that year, and all the metal and rubber had to be used for the war effort.
By 1952, when Mirly wrote his short history of the business, his dealership had four mechanics, a parts man, a salesman, a bookkeeper and himself, working in the facility.
He wrote, "However, we will not be alone in this privilege long, as six dealers within eighty miles of me have started bases of operations on Harvester's recommended prototype."
Through the years, the company branched out into truck sales, and when that business became more lucrative, they dropped the farm implements.
C.A. Martin worked as a mechanic on the farm equipment for about 23 years, quitting when Mirly switched to trucks. Both he and May think the switch would have been around 1955-56.
Charles "Stubbee" May retired on July 15, 1982, after 30 years with Mirly. Within two years, the business was closed.
I hope to pull together a more complete history for the North stoddard Countian this week. J.R. Middleton, Mirly's son-in-law, has provided me with a treasure trove of wonderful old photos. My friend Linda (Zimmerman) Eggimann sat in my office last week and identified face after familiar face in the old 8x10 photos, taken at the grand opening.
After standing in that location for 67 years, the building will soon be gone, making way for a new Family Dollar Store.
Thus goes the way of the world. Not being from Advance originally, I lack the fond memories that the "old-timers" have for this aged building. However, I can feel their mixed emotions--pain for what is lost and hope for a new, brighter future for a small American town, devastated by the "Progress" of lost business and industry.
R.I.P., Mirly International Harvester. You will exist only in our memories.
From the quiet streets of Advance, this is your rural NSC reporter, Madeline, pausing for a moment in time to ponder the past.
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Ordinarily, I would be critical of the destruction of an old building, but this one had outlived its usefulness and had become an eyesore.
I do have reservations about the proposed Family Dollar Store. I've seen the one in Dexter, and I am NOT impressed!
It'll still be an improvement over what was there, but I find the one in Dexter very unpleasant to shop in. The aisles are too narrow for two people to pass in. I see no way that it can be handicap accessible. Very cluttered. Gives me claustrophobia!
Even more disturbing--the prices are significantly higher than both Walmart and the local grocery stores.
Let's hope the new one in Advance is better!
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Illegal fishing in park
Hey all, I hope I don't start a war here or bring any animosity towards me, but I was just wondering how you all would resolve someone you see fishing illegally in the park. I fly fish and have fished the park for more than 5 years now, and I repepeatedly see spin fisherman using corn, worms, and often times spoons with treble hooks. In the five years I have fished, I have never once been checked by Park Rangers, nor have I seen any of them stop these "tourons" as a fellow LRO member stated. I am not one to start an argument with anyone over issues such as this, but I used to work for TWRA on Fort Loudon and had to deal with a lot of problems with fisherman without licenses or illegal sizes and creels. Since I got out of that line of work I don't feel I really have any jursidiction or any ability to request another fisherman cease their actions. Just wondering how the rest of you feel on this subject. I know that this weekend will bring the redneck corn chuckers out of hiding for the brookies and I hate to see this go on unchecked or unannounced. I don't mind paying the prices for fishing licenses, trout stamps, donations to TU and the like, but to see some tourist or worse a native fisherman violate the rules just burns me up. Just so you know, what turned over my soap box, I found a treble hooked spoon hanging from a tree in Metcalfe bottoms over the weekend, and the hooks did not show even the slightest sign of rust. I know that as the summer approaches this sort of thing will only get worse. Tell me if I am wrong for saying anything or if I should just keep my mouth shut on the streams. Thanks again guys, and good luck this weekend. Gas prices may have me stuck at home so catch one for me.
Re: Illegal fishing in park
Interesting post! I came up to the park from NE Florida and fished the park a year ago last March. On that trip I was fishing along Treemont and over in Elkmont. In both places the fish had never been more scarase. I stopped at the "Crusher Pool" in Elkmont and usually there are numerous trout along that wall, but I only saw one or two. I noticed as I drove up that a couple was already fishing the pool with spinning tackle and as I was watching the man was throwing a nice 18 or so inch bow back in. I commented on what a nice fish it was and he said, "We kept the big one!". He walked over and picked up a creel that he opened to show me a 20 plus inch Brown.
I want back to my car to gear up and as I was putting my rod together I noticed the man pull out a container of night crawlers to bait his rig. I then walked back over and explained that I hated to "rain on their parade" but wondered if they understood what they were doing is/was illegal? The man looked at me in disbelief and said they had no idea, he explained that when they bought their license, they also bought baith and asked about fishing in the park. They said no one ever indicated that bait fishing was not legal. I told him it was and that if they were caught the fines were quite large along with possible confiscation of their gear. I walked of and a few minutes later his wife walked over to their SUV which was parked 50 or 60 yards away. She drove it back over to where he was and exited while holding a fishing regulation brocure. I could hear her tell him, "He's right, it says in here that no live bait may be used in the park!" A few seconds later they drove off.
The fishing on that trip sucked for me and I started noticing corn cans, worm tubs, and even a found a plasrtic work with a treble in it caught in some brush. I saw this debree along Treemont as well as in Elkmont and it disgusted me.
I also noticed and recalled that not once have I ever been checked out by any park personel while fishing the park waters. I'd love to have them ask for my license and check my box to make sure I am legal...cause that might mean they were checing on some of these other folks who aren't.
You know what, the truth be told I don't want folks to suffer great penalties for ignorance but would like for some educational type of enforcement. Maybe they could assign them a couple of days of public service like picking up their empty beer and worm cans out of the streams or off the trails. Then if they are caught repeatedly offending or breaking the laws, sock it to them.
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Re: Illegal fishing in park
Had a similar incident in southern missouri two or three years ago where people were hauling out undersized and illegally caught trout from trophy trout water. To make matters worse, one person was running his pickup through a feeder spring. Several of us in different groups were frustrated and noone had cell phone service to call a park ranger (national park) at the time. After returning home, called the NPS and let them know what we witnessed. Said that they were severely understaffed and that stretch of the river was not regularly controlled anymore due to budget cuts. Ouch!
On a brighter side though, I have been watched on that particular stretch of river many times in the past, and have had my license checked by a ranger. Said they do "stealth" checking regularly (of course, that was 6 plus years ago) on everyone. We had complained at the time that we were seeing the occasional empty jar of trout bait, etc. as we were fishing. The ranger indicated that they do there best to clamp down on illegal use but they also had a tendency to be lenient on the locals that had always fished the stream, prior to it becoming fly only. To some extent, at least on THAT day, I was ok with that.
He did caution against being confrontational when we witness something like that happening, for obvious reasons. The best advice is to certainly let the park rangers know, and leave it to them to do their job. I doubt they have a similar issue in GSMNP, but I think its good safety advice for all of us.
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These post remind me of an incident I had in Michigan a few ago. I had just landed and released a Steelhead on the St. Joseph river. When I stood up and turned around a Michigan CO was watching the whole thing from just a few feet away. I said to him that I supposed he would like to see my license. He said "no" and I suppose some unknown inner part of me needed to prove I was legal. I asked him if the fact I was a non-resident would warrant him seeing the license. His next words may not be exact but they are darn close, "it's not you guys with the expensive rods and in the waders I am watching, it's the guys in sneakers and jeans running up and down the bank I look for". Not to imply that everyone in jeans and sneakers is a law breaker but my guess is he has learned from experience who to keep an eye on.
I have never been checked in the park either and I guess that same inner part of me would like to be just to prove I am legal. A couple weeks ago we saw 2 rangers driving as we walked along the rod and neither bothered to stop. They probably know the same thing the guy in Michigan knows.
If I saw someone breaking the law I might casually let them know. I suppose it might depend on the circumstances. Maybe the phone call is the best solution. I'm sure funding for law enforcement is a problem everywhere.
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Re: Illegal fishing in park
It's even harder to explain these occurrences to your children. I took my son who recently picked up flyfishing to Tremont two weekends ago. Needless to say, we encountered numerous "fishermen" only a handful that were actually flyfishing or even using artificial bait. It is unfortunate that this is not limited to the Smokies as I come across it in the streams of SE Kentucky at Bark Camp and Rock Creek repeatedly where these same quality of sportsman are using live bait and not practicing catch-and-release as required by law.
We can only try to make a difference since it is impossible to change these type of people and the park personnel are already overwhelmed.
Re: Illegal fishing in park
I fish a lot in the park and I've been checked probably 4 or 5 times out of maybe 75-100 days over the last 2-3 years. Not a particularly great percentage but the park rangers have a lot to do other than checking licenses. Whenever I do get checked, I make it a point to let them know how much I appreciate them being out there enforcing the regulations.
It really is sad how much illegal fishing goes on. I wish that handing out regulations would be a good solution, but in reality the people that are doing this mostly wouldn't even bother reading them in the first place. I don't think it really crosses their minds or else they are of the "I should be able to catch them however I want" mentality.
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"Then He said to them, 'Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.'" Matthew 4:19
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Re: Illegal fishing in park
I appreciate your suggestions, and I suppose if I see this becoming a problem this summer I may just keep my cell phone handy with the local NPS office. I am not out looking to get anyone in trouble, but if I start to see creels full of fish from live bait fishing, I will probably not hold back. I want to have fun and fist fights or scuffles over confrontations are not my idea of an enjoyable outing on the river. I am not a member of the LR chapter of TU, but I wonder what their feelings are on this and if maybe if they could sponsor a training session possibly during trout fest to inform tourists and locals. I would even be willing to assist them in any training or dispersal of brochures at local campgrounds. I know it will not stop everyone, but maybe we can slow it down.
Re: Illegal fishing in park
I figure that this is the best place to ask this question - so my son turns 14 this year does he need a trout stamp in TN?
I couldn't get the salesperson to sell us one for him when we bought his license this spring.
Re: Illegal fishing in park
I very honestly think many people who are fishing DON'T KNOW the PARK RULES ARE DIFFERENT than Tennessee. I've been stopped and had people asking me questions about fishing while walking in or out. I always make it a point to mention License, artifical and single hook, wild Trout, Catch and Release. The park service needs more LARGER SIGNS along the road and at trailheads. When I mentioned to folks walking dogs, riding bikes, etc that their activity could result in fines, they say they were not aware it was. Having taught schools for 33 years, I can read people fairly well and believe most infractions are not deliberate. The small signs are easy to miss and should be more prominent.
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A SUGGESTION-- Would a TU chapter, or similar group contact the Park Service and volunteer to post more EASILY VISIBLE SIGNS The local chapters have a rapport with the NPS.
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The Advanced Metering Infrastructure Security (AMI-SEC) Task Force was established August 2007 under the Utility Communications Architecture International Users Group (UCAIug) to develop consistent security guidelines for AMI. This document represents the security concerns of the AMI-SEC Task Force and provides guidance and security controls to organizations developing or implementing AMI solutions. The intent of the document is to provide prescriptive, actionable guidance for how to build-in and implement security for AMI smart grid functionality. This guidance is neutral to vendor specific implementations and architectures.
The scope of this work extends from the meter data management system (MDMS) up to and including the home area network (HAN) interface of the smart meter. Informative security guidance may be provided for systems and components relevant but beyond the explicitly designated scope. In developing this guidance, the task force examined community-established AMI use cases, evaluated risk for AMI, and utilized a security service domain analysis. The task force then modified and enhanced controls from the Department of Homeland Security to produce the recommended cyber security controls for AMI. The actionable portion of this document is the resulting catalog of controls applicable to AMI systems and components.


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Sore shoulders? Hurting hips? Not-so-nimble knees? These exercises for joints from Harvard experts will give you relief.
When you ache from arthritis, movement doesn�t seem like a welcoming option. �But if you don�t exercise painful joints, range-of-motion becomes limited, and you have more pain,� says Joy Prouty, director of education, programs and training for Zumba Fitness and a consultant for the Harvard Health Joint Pain Relief Workout. �When you move, blood flows to the joint, restoring range of motion, and strengthening the muscles and connective tissue.� RELATED: The Best Exercises for Your Joints The good news: You don�t have to sign up with a gym to do these exercises for joints. These moves, based on the Harvard Joint Pain Relief Workout, can be performed almost anywhere. Heel-Toe Taps Why do them: To strengthen the muscles in the shin. The exercise: Feet on the floor, tap the toes on one foot as if you are tapping to music.� Do each foot for 30 seconds. Knee Extensions Why do them: To build up the quadriceps muscles that support the knees. The exercise: Sit in a chair, feet on the floor. Straighten one leg so it�s parallel to the floor. Lower the leg; repeat with the opposite leg. Do 10-15 with each leg. Side Leg Lift Why do them: To strengthen hip muscles. The exercise: Stand up straight, facing and holding onto a counter. Lift your leg to the side, keeping your hips and shoulders straight ahead. Do 10-15 times with each leg. Shoulder Circles Why do them: These keep mobility in your shoulder joint, says Josie Gardiner, a fitness consultant and co-author of the Harvard Health Joint Pain Relief Workout. �(She suggests doing them every day after a warm shower.) The exercise: Stand with your feet slightly apart. Bring your left hand to your left thigh, bend slightly in the torso so your right hand is slightly ahead of you. Then draw your right arm in circles, doing eight to 10 circles one way, then eight to 10 in reverse. Repeat with the other arm. Wrist Curls Why do them: To relieve tension in the elbow and increase blood flow, strength and mobility in the wrists, which get tight if you have arthritis in the wrists and fingers, says Gardiner. The exercise: Make fists, then flex your wrists up and down eight to 10 times. Piano Fingers Why do them: To loosen up stiff hands (Gardiner suggests doing this move in the morning after soaking hands in warm water). The exercise: Pretend your fingers are playing the piano, then spread your fingers apart like jazz hands. Brought to you by: Spry Living


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CANANDAIGUA - Thompson Health Chief of Pathology Kirk Heriot, MD, PhD, recently released his third book, "Practical Surgical Pathology: Integrating Molecular Pathology into Your Morphologic Practice."
Published by the American Society for Clinical Pathology, the 608-page book is written for practicing pathologists and those studying to be pathologists.
A Brighton resident who has been with Thompson Health since 1996, Dr. Heriot also authored "Understanding Each Other after 9-11: What Everyone Should Know About the World's Religions," published by Lost Coast Press earlier this year. His first book, "Who We Are," is about the great ideas that shaped history and came out in 2000.


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Debates of April 24th, 1995
House of Commons Hansard #186 of the 35th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was loans.
- Message From The Senate
- Financial Administration Act
- Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, 1995
- Farm Improvement And Marketing Co-Operatives Loans Act
- Oklahoma City Bombing
- Born To Read Day
- World Curling Championship
- Health Care
- Armenian People
- Schizophrenia Society Of Canada
- Yellowhead Highway Association
- Born To Read Day
- National Junior/Juvenile Judo Championships
- Security Services
- Quebec Referendum
- Rwanda
- Violence
- Rwanda
- Smuggling
- National Volunteer Week
- G-7 Summit
- Canadian Security Intelligence Service
- Crtc
- Goods And Services Tax
- The Economy
- Canada's Credit Rating
- Immigration
- Telecommunications
- Telecommunications Industry
- Immigration
- Rwanda
- Infrastructure
- Life Insurance
- Immigration
- Pearson International Airport
- Illiteracy
- Education
- Presence In Gallery
- Report Of Byelections
- Order In Council Appointments
- Government Response To Petitions
- Committees Of The House
- Motion No. M-5
- Petitions
- Questions On The Order Paper
- Farm Improvement And Marketing Cooperatives Loans Act
- Income Tax Act
Born To Read Day
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Eugène Bellemare Carleton—Gloucester, ON
Mr. Speaker, I wish to express my thanks to Ben Wicks, one of our great Canadian cartoonists, whose book entitled "Born to Read", was distributed today in over 10,000 schools across Canada.
His book was officially released this morning in a ceremony he attended on Parliament Hill in the presence of Governor General Roméo LeBlanc and Senator Joyce Fairbairn, the minister responsible for literacy.
As an amateur caricaturist and former teacher, I am very proud of the tool Ben Wicks is offering to parents of young children. It will make their first reading lessons interesting as well as educational.
As well, I am convinced that this book will be a great help in the fight against illiteracy.
Thank you, Ben Wicks and congratulations.
National Junior/Juvenile Judo Championships
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Roger Simmons Burin—St. George's, NL
Mr. Speaker, the National Junior/Juvenile Judo Championships were held in Newfoundland this past weekend for the first time in 20 years. The town of Stephenville, in my riding, played host and did an absolutely bang-up job. I was there to help them celebrate the spirit of this tremendous sporting event.
Three hundred competitors from all 10 provinces took part, including Jeremy Delaney, Eric Hynes, Gary Lasaga and Jeff Pollard, all from Stephenville.
Newfoundlanders take great pride in their team, which captured its very first gold medal in a national judo competition. Congratulations to everyone, including Aden White, William MacNeil, Della McIsaac, Rodger Farrell, the athletes, coaches, officials and volunteers. For Aden White especially, it was a dream come true. Well done all.
Security Services
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Len Hopkins Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke, ON
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to pay special tribute to the House of Commons Security Services which celebrate their 75th anniversary this year.
It was in 1920, following an act of Parliament, that the House of Commons protective staff was created to protect the parliamentary institution, its members and the precinct. This force has since grown into the efficient, effective and professional force we know today. Both proactive and reactive, the House of Commons Security Service has continuously aimed to provide the excellent service to which we have become accustomed.
The men and women of the security staff are continuously faced with the almost impossible task of providing security in such a way as not to limit or impede public access into the buildings, while ensuring on the other hand that sufficient security is present to adequately protect members of Parliament, employees, visitors and tourists in a period when crime and terrorism are on the increase.
As an honorary member of the security services I invite all members to join with me in wishing them a happy 75th anniversary as well as many more years of success.
Quebec Referendum
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Pauline Picard Drummond, QC
Mr. Speaker, not only has the "No" side nothing to offer Quebecers in the upcoming referendum, but more importantly, the Liberal Party in Quebec has begun to shun Quebec's traditional claims.
Federalists have offhandedly dismissed four of the five conditions set during the Meech Lake negotiations, at the time considered to be a bare minimum by the Liberal Party, and now propose to promote Quebec's development and to define its place in the Canadian federation through obscure administrative agreements.
Administrative agreements have never been used to acknowledge a people's existence or to grant them the powers they need to develop. The Liberal Party is not proposing "quiet affirmation" but more a strategy of "quiet resignation".
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Jack Frazer Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
Mr. Speaker, ethnic dissension again erupted in Rwanda on Saturday as the world witnessed yet another massacre of thousands of Hutu refugees by Tutsi government soldiers.
Previous, smaller group killings of Rwandan refugees have given clear notice that it was only a matter of time before Saturday's massacre would occur. Yet once again, the world and the United Nations stood by, only able to watch helplessly as these events unfolded before our eyes.
In this 50th anniversary year of the United Nations, events such as this make it critically vital that international communities work together to agree to reform United Nations structure and procedures to enable the UN to respond effectively at short notice so that atrocities such as the tragic massacre witnessed this weekend will become a thing of the past.
In the meantime, the international community should ensure that those responsible for perpetrating this horror are identified and punished. Only in this way can it be made clear that the world cannot and will not accept such behaviour.
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Patrick Gagnon Bonaventure—Îles-De-La-Madeleine, QC
Mr. Speaker, the week that just drew to a close was
tarnished with acts of unprecedented violence which must be categorically condemned by all.
Our so-called industrialized societies seem to have become the preferred targets of hatemongers and assassins. Whatever the motives of the perpetrators of such savage and senseless acts, their murderous rampages can never be considered justifiable.
I am calling on all of the members of this House and all Canadians to join in the fight against intolerance and hatred in our society.
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
John Godfrey Don Valley West, ON
Mr. Speaker, following on the remarks of the previous member, like all Canadians I am sure that all members of the House join me in their condemnation of the continuing atrocities in Rwanda. This weekend we learned of yet another attack on innocent civilians and the death of several thousand Rwandan citizens.
There comes a time when the long accepted international principle of the absolute right of national sovereignty to take priority over all other rights must be put aside in the name of international human rights and common decency.
I suggest that the citizens of Rwanda, like those of Somalia or the former Yugoslavia possess inalienable rights of freedom and life. Quite clearly these rights no longer exist. The Rwandan government must be held accountable for the actions of its army and justice must be served.
I believe that Canadians have a role to play in achieving peace in this region. We have been and continue to be a world leader in the fight for peace. There is no place in this world for mass murder and ethnic cleansing. The voice of peace and freedom must be heard.
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Ed Harper Simcoe Centre, ON
Mr. Speaker, the people of Ontario are a caring people. Throughout the history of this province they have contributed generously to confederation.
This generosity, however, is being put to the test by the government. Despite electing 98 Liberal MPs in the last election, issues that concern Ontario are not being addressed. Nothing exemplifies this lack of representation more than the growing smuggling problem.
The Liberal solution to smuggling announced last February has failed to stem the tide of guns, alcohol, drugs and tobacco streaming into Ontario. Smuggling accounts for the vast majority of cases involving the criminal use of firearms in Ontario and it facilitates the illegal use of drugs. It has cost thousands of jobs in the distilling industry and the government has lost billions of dollars in revenue.
The old saying about safety in numbers obviously does not apply to Ontario's voice in Ottawa.
National Volunteer Week
Statements By Members
April 24th, 1995 / 2:15 p.m.
Jean Payne St. John's West, NL
Mr. Speaker, the week of April 23 to April 29 is National Volunteer Week in Canada. This week communities all across our great nation pay tribute to those people who volunteer their time and skills to help their fellow Canadians.
National Volunteer Week was first proclaimed in 1943. Now, over 50 years later, we take this week to recognize the contributions that volunteers make to our way of life. From the people who sit on the boards of community support organizations such as St. John Ambulance to hockey coaches who give up their Saturday mornings to show children the joy and value of team work volunteers give the most valuable gift of all: their time.
In particular I take this opportunity to recognize the contributions of a constituent of mine, Mr. John O'Regan, who was named volunteer of the year by the Newfoundland and Labrador Chamber of Commerce for his many years of outstanding and dedicated community service.
I invite all members of the House to join with me in paying tribute today to all Canadians who volunteer their time and skills to make Canada the great nation it is.
G-7 Summit
Oral Question Period
2:15 p.m.
Lucien Bouchard Leader of the Opposition
Mr. Speaker, last Friday when he visited the Valcartier military base, the Prime Minister said that Quebec City lost the G-7 Summit because the Canadian flag is not flown from the city hall.
My question is directed to the Prime Minister. I want to ask him whether he does not think it was rather petty to disqualify Quebec City just because of a flag?
G-7 Summit
Oral Question Period
2:15 p.m.
Jean Chrétien Prime Minister
Mr. Speaker, Halifax was selected on the merits of its location. The first economic summit was held in Quebec at Montebello. The second summit was held in Toronto, and we decided to have the third one in Halifax, in the Maritimes where occasions like this one are few and far between. At the time, we received representations from a number of people from Quebec City and, as I said at the time, it is not very pleasant when the mayor of a city in
Quebec comes to ask favours from the Canadian government and refuses to show the flag of his country, the Canadian flag. When the Prime Minister of Canada was about to invite international leaders to Quebec City, the mayor was not prepared to show that he himself was a Canadian.
G-7 Summit
Oral Question Period
2:15 p.m.
Lucien Bouchard Leader of the Opposition
Mr. Speaker, no one in Quebec is asking favours from anyone, and especially not the mayor of Quebec City in his capacity as mayor. We pay taxes here. We pay taxes. This is our money you are spending, and we want our fair share. And we are certainly not seen as begging favours from the federal government.
G-7 Summit
Oral Question Period
2:15 p.m.
Some hon. members
Hear, hear.
G-7 Summit
Oral Question Period
2:15 p.m.
Yvan Loubier Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC
It costs us $30 billion in taxes.
G-7 Summit
Oral Question Period
2:15 p.m.
Lucien Bouchard Lac-Saint-Jean, QC
Mr. Speaker, are we to understand that this petty and mean decision on the part of the Prime Minister to disqualify Quebec from hosting the G-7 summit was inspired by the same desire to get even that permeated the government's actions on MIL Davie, manpower training and cuts in transfer payments for social programs, to punish Quebeckers for supporting the Parti Quebecois and the Bloc Quebecois?


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Long Distance Grandparents
Grandparents who aren't able to visit their grandchild everyday should not be discouraged by the miles that separate them. Thanks to technological advances, you have plenty of options available to help keep you posted about your grandchild's accomplishments and growth. The suggestions listed below will help you get acquainted with modern technology.
The internet enables instantaneous communication. E-mails not only allow you to send a letter within seconds, but you can include attachments of photos, videos or music.
Skype is free software that you can download onto your computer that works seamlessly with your internet connection. While Skype offers low rates to make calls abroad to cell phones and landlines Skype-to-Skype calls are free. What does this mean? If you and your grandchild both download Skype, you can talk for free! Even better: Skype also enables individuals to enjoy video conference calls. If you and your grandchild have webcams or built-in cameras on your computer, you can smile, wave and talk to each other. Skype's high quality video is so clear that you can even speak in sign language-another useful tool for certain grandparents separated by distance.
Social Networking Sites
While Skype allows you to communicate with your grandchild via video conference, social networking sites encourage new ways to interact with your grandchild, friends and family.
Facebook is one of the most popular social networking sites. After you become a member and create your home page, you can add friends (other Facebook members), write messages, post photos, and update your personal profile. While you're waiting for your next Skype call, take a look at your grandchild's Facebook page to see any updates or leave them a comment. You can also view comments left by your grandchild's friends or family which you may also respond to. Wish you could give your grandchild a hug? Facebook offers a variety of applications such as SuperPoke-give anything from "hugs" to "kisses" in cyber space. Facebook is a great way for family members to stay in touch and have fun.
Snail Mail
Other ways to stay connected with your grandchild can include writing letters-a dying art! By writing letters, your grandchild can improve handwriting, literacy, and reading comprehension. You can also send a variety of packages and presents through the mail; a feature unrivaled by Skype and Facebook.


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The Fourth High Level Forum on Aid Effectiveness took place this week as government leaders from over 150 countries gathered to discuss progress made on donor promises to tackle global poverty. These discussions started with the Paris Declaration in 2004, then the Accra Agenda for Action in 2008 and continued in Busan. Delegates talked about "ownership,""mutual accountability," and "outcomes." Ownership is about countries determining and driving their own development priorities. Mutual accountability means we work in partnership -- as donor and recipient countries -- to achieve development solutions and share responsibility for successes and failures. And as partners, we are committed to delivering tangible outcomes and meaningful impacts -- the ultimate result of any assistance.
Achieving results was a major theme that weaved through discussions at Busan. Results-focused aid is a shared objective. Yet, an interesting set of questions around "how" and "for whom" remains. Who defines results? How are they obtained? Do process results no longer matter? Are we measuring results for donors, for recipients or for both? MCC brings much to the table in terms of putting a results-focused assistance program into practice. As Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in her speech at the forum's opening ceremony, MCC is a pioneer in measuring results. Some thoughts based on our experience at MCC:
First, how we pursue a results-focused approach matters. Country ownership is bigger and deeper than consultations around a national development strategy. As MCC Vice President Sheila Herrling mentioned during Tuesday's Results Thematic Session, a big part of that ownership is how countries include civil society in results setting and results monitoring, and how countries and donors find ways to share that information transparently and accessibly with the public. During my remarks at the Results Plenary, I stressed that inclusive, country-driven development must embrace the voices of women because we know gender equality is key to development effectiveness. Efforts to more purposefully examine how a results agenda can strengthen country systems and institutions will ultimately lead to better and more sustainable outcomes.
Second, focusing on outcomes and impact is absolutely the right approach. That said, we should not lose sight of monitoring and evaluating policy reforms and intermediate targets, which help us establish the path to outcomes and impact. At MCC, we embrace an innovative "continuum of results" -- tracking, measuring and publicly communicating results along the entire lifecycle of each country-determined program we fund, from inputs, to outputs, to policy reforms, and ultimately to measurable outcomes for beneficiaries. We count interim milestones met along the way because each one brings us a step closer to reaching the program goal. MCC's continuum of results also includes post-program impact evaluations to help us improve accountability, determine if observed outcomes are attributable to MCC's investments and to learn whether programs were designed correctly. Because MCC's continuum of results is built on transparency and critical learning, it becomes a tool for assessing what works and does not work in development and what can be improved for the future.
Third, the question of "results for whom" got a lot of play in Busan. To be accountable to their own citizens, partner countries must answer this often difficult question and demonstrate how development resources are used and what results they achieve. As we discuss our drive for positive results, we must never lose sight of what an actual result means for ordinary men and women around the world. Ayesha Otibo, the chairwoman of a farmer-based organization comprised of 50 female rice processors in Ghana, received training on ways to develop her business and increase crop production. Ghanaian pineapple farmers, like Tony Botchway, used MCC support to seek new markets. Andre Soui-Guidi, a business owner in Benin, is now able to access credit in order to expand his operations and create more jobs for his fellow citizens. At the same time, we cannot and should not ignore the fact that results matter also for the taxpayers of donor countries who, even during these challenging economic times, want to continue funding for development. Our ability to demonstrate that their investments are paying off -- that developing countries are improving governance and democratic rights, assistance is reaching the poor, and investments are yielding positive returns--is critical to sustaining strong development cooperation.
Lastly, international events like Busan tend to focus on what hasn't been achieved. That's fine in terms of accountability and the need to keep progressing toward commitments. But, let's remember the real advancements made, including by the United States. Major U.S. development efforts -- from the multilateral development banks, to Feed the Future, to Partnership for Growth, to MCC -- all emphasize inclusive, country-led, outcomes-focused approaches. For MCC's part, we look forward to continuing our work to break new ground in advancing and innovating on development effectiveness, and putting principles in this area into practice.
Editor's Note: This entry first appeared on the MCC CEO Blog.
Zharkov in the U.S.A. writes:
US taxpayers are never allowed to vote on foreign aid, so the presumption that they support gifts of taxpayer funds to foreign governments while America remains bankrupt is unsupported by evidence or logic.
The secret wealth transfers to foreign banks by the Federal Reserve, without a Congressional vote or presidential protest, raises serious questions about disloyalty of those purporting to be our leaders.
Mark K. in the United Kingdom writes:
Clinton show incredible determination. Keep it up Hillary. :-)


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Hunt 3006: Limited-entry Bull elk
Cache, South
Season dates
8-16-2014 to 9-12-2014
Type: Limited-entry
Species: Bull elk
Weapon: Archery
Cache, South
DescriptionCache, Rich and Weber counties—Boundary begins at US-89 and the USFS boundary west of Garden City; south on this boundary to SR-39; southwest on SR-39 to USFS Road 054 (Ant Flat road); north on this road to SR-101; west on SR-101 to US-89/91; north on US-89/91 to Logan and US-89; northeast on US-89 to the USFS boundary approximately 3 miles west of Garden City. USGS 1:100,000 Maps: Logan, Ogden. Boundary questions? Call the Ogden office, 801-476-2740. This map is provided for general reference only and does not constitute a legal hunt boundary. The Division does not guarantee access to any private or public land. Hunt unit boundaries may include private property or other excluded areas.
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Snark-Nado: What Happened With JP Morgan's Epic Twitter Fail
NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- JPMorgan Chase
But Twitter isn't doing JPM any return favors, as the social media site was the scene of an epic big bank takedown by consumers last week -- so much so that the bank canceled a Twitter-based Q&A with one of its key executives.
The banking giant, which has been the target of eight investigations for U.S. federal regulators, staggered into a public relations nightmare with a proposed online Twitter forum Thursday. The event was set to include a bank senior executive on hand to answer consumer banking questions via Twitter, using the hashtag #AskJPM.
What happened next could well be the subject of bank marketing seminars for years -- especially those focusing on what not to do when reaching out to consumers directly.
Twitter users, unaccustomed to having direct access to a big bank executive, went off the hook in mocking and taunting JPMorgan before the bank pulled the plug -- triggering a suddenly famous Tweet from the bank.
"#Badidea! Back to the drawing board," Morgan posted on its twitter account six hours after collecting questions from the Twitterati. The bank collected 24,000 posts on the #AskJPM hashtag -- few of them very complimentary.
Here's a sampling:
- Can I have my house back?" @AdamColeman4 posted.
- "Is it true 'JPM' stands for 'Just Pay More'?'' @SconsetCapital asked.
- ''What's your favorite type of whale?'' @ObsoleteDogma wrote (a dig against the bank's $6 billion loss by a firm trader known as the "London Whale.")
- "Whoever thought of #AskJPM will surely face more internal scrutiny and punishment at JPM than anyone who committed fraud or other crimes," @AlexisGoldstein said.
Part of the problem was timing, given the bank's current troubles with the U.S. Justice Department.
"This was a highly unusual move by JP Morgan, given the nature of recent news stories about the company and the large fines being levied on the bank," says Darren Hayes, a professor at Pace University's Seidenberg School of Computer Science and Information Systems in New York. "Companies like JP Morgan are careful about who can ask questions during earnings calls and at other events, so I am surprised that they planned this open dialog and Q&A session."
Twitter has also leveled the playing field for consumers, giving them more of a platform to address -- and attack -- disfavored companies.
"The reality of social media intended to support brand building is that consumers get to decide what they share and what they say," says Susan Fournier, a marketing professor at Boston University. "We all know the tradeoff: In using social media to garner social resonance and engagement, management cedes control of the brand."


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This forum is a way for everyone involved with the darkroom to post what they're doing, and what needs to be done so everyone can stay informed and help out where ever they can.
We decided to hold general meetings on Tuesdays at 5 in the cafe, so please come along to these if your interested. During these meetings we discuss action points (things that need to be done) and brainstorm about workshops. In short, how we can make the darkroom as useful and fruitful as we can. If there won't be a meeting there should be a post saying so or I will send an email.
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I am a sucker. C'mon, really?!! French Toast tea!! Ordered new French Toast black tea from 52teas, as well as the reblend of Browncoat Genmaicha. ;P
I'm really tempted by that Genmaicha! Mostly for Firefly, but also for the tea itself. Have you tried it before?
No, haven't tried it before. I took a risk! But I really like genmaicha (and Firefly), so hopefully it'll be good!
I just grabbed 3 teas from 52 Teas, even though I was complaining about them being expensive (with shipping to Canada) just the other day. But I really wanted Butterbeer! And the French Toast! And I was hoping that the Cherry Vanilla Cola would make some good tea pops that my bf might like (in my latest plan to trick him into drinking tea).
I don't feel so bad buying it because I'm officially starting to track all my expenses next Month, so this is my last order that I can sneak right by. :P
uh….you might have a bunch of teas coming…. i MIGHT have uh gotten carried away…
Hahahah. Thanks dude! Just let me know if you spy anything in my cupboard, and I'll try to even it out. :P (I have A LOT of Butiki coming my way, but I have a feeling you've already got a lot there).
I caved and ordered a pouch of 52 Tea's French Toast black. I almost walked away after seeing it posted here and on twitter, then I got the promo email later in the day and caved.
Looking forward to the blog post! :D I want to see which owls are summoned by the aroma of French Toast tea.
Hopefully no owl gets sticky in the process! I need to make a few more owls as I'm putting some up for adoption.
AAAAH! TELL US WHEN! though an owlbeast (moonkin) would be even more awesome lol
I love Moonkins! Especially the little moonkin hatchling pet on a certain online game.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/AwkwardSoul Barn and Snow Owl are up right now.
I've been thinking about having my Boomy in my blog recently, but I thought moonkin seemed kinda obscure, though random enough like my blog at times lol
i can't even explain to you how badly i want a boomkin for my other half ever since i saw the one you made for yourself. he's been playing wow as a druid since it came out… me? i love the turtles lol
OMG!!!! I really have to have one of these someday! Even if I need to learn how to crochet it myself!!!!
@ Sil- I have only played a druid to level 20 or so. I have a Rogue that I play since the game came out as well. Although it's pretty rare when I log on. Too much real life now-a-days. My really close friends live far away in Chicago and Colorado so we used it as a weekly group get together to keep in touch. We would use Teamspeak and headsets and all….Those were the days.
Of course we would drink tea…spiked….mostly….cough… lol.
Confession time … my husband and I met via teamspeak playing WoW PS I was a PvP druid through level 60 – then went raiding up to 70 then we got married and quit WoW
azzrian! that's awesome..and makes me happy :) my other half and i didn't meet playing wow but it was kind of our thing to do for the longest time together. heh I'm taking an extended break these days because of work but he's still chugging away at it…most evenings i drink tea and work while he's next to me raiding and playing :)
Oops forgot to add while PvPing I was Boomkin … then went healer. I miss my Boomkin and seal form.
Awee Sil that is sweet. I don't think we could go back to playing and have a real life honestly. We both have HIGHLY addictive personalities and my hubby HAS to be THE BEST at everything lol. So I think once my daughter is in college and settled we will take up the gun range and golf lol
Azzrian…more confessions. I played Dark Age of Camelot since it came out too (2001). My friends and I had a stealther group of characters and played so much that on our days off together we didn't sleep, we sure stirred up a lot of fire on the VN boards because of the havoc we would cause in PVP/RVR….
That carried over to WOW when it came out….I was such a gamer…I built monster computers myself just for online gaming…But seriously, I neglected so many other things in life. I saved a lot of money not going out though.
Now I have tea to fill the void…….seems to cost me more monthly than gaming…hmmmm.
I still have to level my main character up in WOW every time they increase max level and check out the new expansions.
Oh I am sure you spend just as much in tea even with building gaming computers! My husband built his but by that time we were about done gaming lol so now it is used for graphic design – sort of – right now its collecting dust upstairs. I think talking about WoW Sort of talks me out of wanting to play again though. I do sometimes think I see Silver Leaf out in the yard but for the most part it was a life suck. I miss PvP far more than raiding though!
I did not like the last expansion – forget what it was called – it was about 3 years ago when they introduced the ability to change hair style etc…. I felt it was going a little too childish at that point in some ways. The thing I hated most about the game was ending up in an instance with a little kid and people being mean to them. Anyway – this is like therapy LOL no more WoW for me. :)
I ordered several of the cotton candy black iced teas from 52Teas (I'm on a iced tea kick this week),
and I joined Verdant's monthly reserve tea club.
This might be the tipping point for me… I literally have things from both companies' websites in my carts and am willing myself to place the orders! :-)
I went with teavivre instead. Trying ALL the teas! :-)
I was naughty and did a large Teavivre order. The only reason I could afford it was to take advantage of their offer for Fathers Day (spend $80 and get $12 off) and on top of that I had $14 reward points so I saved $26 :)
Taiwan Oriental Beauty (Bai Hao) Oolong Tea
Variety : 100g (3.5oz) [Zip Bag]
1 $13.20
Nonpareil Te Gong Huang Shan Mao Feng Green Tea
Variety : Sample 5g [Zip Bag]
1 $3.00
Huang Shan Dried Chrysanthemum (Gongju)
Variety : 100g (3.5oz)
1 $11.90
Nonpareil Cha Wang Tai Ping Hou Kui Green Tea
Variety : Sample 5g [Zip Bag]
1 $4.00
Xin Yang Mao Jian Green Tea
Variety : 100g (3.5oz) [Zip Bag]
1 $13.90
Organic Hangzhou Tian Mu Qing Ding Green Tea
Variety : 50g (1.75oz) [Zip Bag]
1 $9.90
Stainless Steel Filter
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1 $2.50
Chun Mei Green Tea (Zhen Mei)
Weight : 100g (3.5oz)
Packaging : Zip bag
1 $3.90
Fengqing Dragon Pearl Black Tea
Variety : 100g (3.5oz) [Zip Bag]
1 $13.90
Fengqing Zhuan Cha Raw Puerh Brick Tea 2005 – 10g 1 $0.00
Golden Monkey Black Tea – 7g 1 $0.00
Fengqing Ancient Tree Spring Chun Jian Raw Pu-erh Cake Tea 2012 – 10g 1 $0.00
Premium Keemun Hao Ya Black Tea
Variety : 100g (3.5oz) [Zip Bag]
Oooooo I love chrysanthemum tea.
After going back and forth between which company I would order from next, I went with Teavivre. I got samplers! I'm still at that stage where I want to try it all!
Black tea sampler
Green tea sampler
Oolong tea sampler
And for my two samplers I got two different puerhs. It's a nice variety!
I couldn't help myself! This site has made me an addict. After just Recieving my first verdant tea order today I had to make another order with my $5 off.
I ordered:
-Eight Treasures Yabao (yay!!!!!!!!!!!!)
-Bai Mu Dan White Tea
All I had to pay for was shipping:)
So excited. 2 perfect teas for iced steeps:)
You are in for a treat. Verdant is amazing! I've been tracking my incoming Verdant like a fiend.
I loveee Eight Treasures, I've never tried it iced, but it is so good hot, I waited all year for it to return and just got an oz last week, will probably get a lot more of it before its out :)
Harney & Sons 15% Off code EST2013
Rose Scented – loose 4 oz tin $6.50
Queen Catherine – loose tea sample $2.00
H&S Tumbler / Travel Mug – 12 oz $20.00
Blood Orange Fruit Tea – loose 1 lb bag $19.00
Vietnamese Black OP – loose tea sample $2.00
SoHo Blend – loose tea sample $2.00
Subtotal $51.50
Shipping & Handling $0.00
Discount (est2013) -$7.73
Tax $1.65
Grand Total $45.42
I almost got Cherry Blossom Teapot & Four 4oz Cups
but had to stop myself….
i've been bad this month:)
2 Verdant orders
2 Harney &Sons
1 Upton Tea
Couple trips to Kusmi shop
1 Della Terra
I need to stop and join hiatus thread
My impulse is to say "So?"
The sign of me being an addict. xD; I think I better join you in that hiatus thread.
Haha. Just don't be a bad influence on the people there. It's sorta turned into an "Oh, I feel guilty but I just bought "X" amazing tea" confessional.
I just picked up that teapot! I really need to stop reading this thread! Bad influence!! ;)
So I took advantage of the H&S sale – saved $5, so I basically paid $10 for shipping. That's ok, I suppose!
HT Vanilla Comoro – 20 sachet tin
Florence – loose 4 oz tin
Paris – loose tea sample
Tower of London – loose tea sample
Queen Catherine – loose tea sample
SoHo Blend – loose 4 oz tin
Pomegranate Oolong – loose tea sample
Boston – loose 4 oz tin
I thought that because I was going to spend so much on shipping ANYWAY, I'd better upgrade Boston and SoHo to tins instead of just samples (even though I've never tried them.) Now I'm wondering if I should have upgraded the Queen Catherine instead of the SoHo, but there will be plenty of time for regrets later.
Today I'm just celebrating my first full paycheque since I went off on maternity leave! (Only 5 more of those coming before I quit and move to ON, but I have money for now!)
I like queen Catherine but since I've discovered Steven and a&d, I think I prefer them a bit more :). I may hit you up to try soho and the vanilla Comoro. I think those are the only 2 apart from Tower of London that I haven't tried? I think?
Good to know you like the other ones more than Queen Catherine as your reviews was one of the ones that made me think I should try a tin. :P But the Boston and SoHo seemed more like safer bets.
Maybe I'll start a spreadsheet to track the teas ppl are interested in so I don't forget by the time it comes in. (In a month? Who knows…)
I slipped. It had been so long since I placed an online tea order! It's actually kind of funny – I was looking at my credit card statement the other day in wonder, because the total was significantly lower than it usually is each month. And then it dawned on me…. that there wasn't a single tea order on it! It's all cell bill, gas, and food. Heh…
Anyways! Teensy weensy Verdant order for me:
Laoshan Roasted Oolong – 7g, $2
Laoshan Green Oolong – 7g, $2
Bai Mu Dan White Tea – 7g, $2.75
Bergamot Rose Laoshan Black – 7g, $2
Laoshan Black Chocolate Genmaicha – 7g, $1.50
$14.75, minus $10 coupon
Grand Total: 4.75. Not too terrible…. right?!


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WAIT..it's gone now....did I just have a stroke or something...it was up for like 2 minutes....now it's back to normal
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Yes..I did PM that....That blue Box idea is a great idea.....there's room isnt there?Mike wrote:that was me testing a fix you request, did you PM me that ? I don't see it here. Try to put requests in here.
Anyway you should the topic title now, I did research and there are lots of forums with this version that did not do this. So I also posted the code fix of the source code I made in the phpBB site.
I can see this being a problem is the forum name & Topic are too long.
How about if I put in inside the blue box where is says: Post a reply ??
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