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Keane, Molly
Molly Keane 1904–
(Born Mary Nesta Skrine; has also written under pseudonym of M. J. Farrell) Irish novelist and dramatist.
Keane's strongly atmospheric novels recreate the Anglo-Irish world of family estates and fox-hunts in which she grew up. Her attitude toward this world has been described as one of "affectionate malice." She does not hesitate to reveal the foibles of the squabbling families she portrays in a style which sometimes verges on black comedy, but she does so with compassion, usually succeeding in eliciting sympathy even for her unattractive characters. Keane's love of Ireland is revealed in her enthusiastic descriptions of the Irish countryside, especially in the novel Mad Puppetstown (1932), in which two cousins choose to leave a comfortable life in England to return to their decaying childhood home in Ireland. Critics note that although Keane rarely varies her setting from the Irish country estate and repeatedly uses the popular theme of the decline of the landed gentry, she makes her novels appear fresh and original.
Keane's writing career, which began in the late 1920s, was interrupted by a long hiatus following the death of her husband. Her early works, which include the plays Spring Meeting (1938) and Treasure Hunt (1950) as well as several novels, were published under a pseudonym. Keane's return to writing in the 1980s with Good Behaviour (1981) and Time after Time (1983) marked her first publications under her own name.
(See also Contemporary Authors, Vol. 108.)
The Times Literary Supplement
M. J. Farrell's Young Entry …, presumably a first novel, has just those qualities that are more often found in books written by novelists of long experience. The characters, in the first place, are allowed to explain themselves instead of being explained by a process of oratio recta on the author's part; and, secondly, the dialogue springs naturally from the action and is not merely a decorative appendage of it. Miss Farrell has two admirable backgrounds, Ireland and the hunting-field, for her book, which is, in the last analysis, a character study of two "country girls," Prudence and Peter. Both are modern, but sanely and not tiresomely so; and one of Miss Farrell's greatest triumphs is the way she manages to give a vivid sense of their characters through stray snatches of their conversation. The dialogue of modern young people has been a great trial to novelists, who in their efforts to reproduce it have either over-elaborated or else reduced it to a series of more or less improper monosyllables. Miss Farrell has caught the exact tone of it—laconic, abrupt, illuminating, occasionally obscure owing to the quick, unheralded jump from subject to subject, and occasionally affectionate. In this cunningly shaped mirror the movements and features of Peter and Prudence are perfectly reflected. The reader can, as it were, sit back in his chair and understand without effort the similarity and the difference between them….Because Peter and Prudence are so lovable and interesting the reader will the more resent Miss Farrell's unnecessary attempt to drag a supernatural element into the book. The suicide of the cook and haunting of the house are out of key with the rest of the novel—Miss Farrell's one lapse into amateurism—and he can be assured that in her descriptions of hunting, in her dialogue and, above all, in Prudence and Peter she has provided more excellence than anyone has the right to expect in three average first novels put together.
A review of 'Young Entry," in The Times Literary Supplement, No. 1364, March 22, 1928, p. 213.
Margery Latimer
You just can't be horrid and superior about [Young Entry] even though salmon fishing and fox shooting mean nothing in your life—and never will. The spirit of the young author is in every sentence, in the stiff phrasing, in the clichés and stock characters and the rough, eager form of the novel. You can't help liking her aliveness, which is neither deep nor lyrical but a surface quality of health and sturdiness. You smell good things all through the story; you smell the people and their excellent clothes and the clean, cool air….
All the time the two girls. Prudence and Peter, are not very different from the healthy girls who used to be in "The Youth's Companion," always making trouble for their elders and then saving the day in some fashion at the very end. But you have to like these girls anyway, you like the way they talk to their dogs and horses…. The eyes of all the characters are turned outward on the land, the hounds, rabbit holes, a good chunk of cake, foxes. Affection is not inhibited and can be expressed by swearing airily, eating a good meal together, riding hard, calling each other Puppy….
But you cannot read this book without thinking of all people as innocent manifestations of their backgrounds, no matter how amused and enlivened Miss Farrell intends you to be. Her intention is to write a simple story from the outside. Her main interest is the friendship between Prudence and Peter, their engagements, the separation, and then the return to their old gay manner. These people are all practical, all happy in their small world. They express themselves completely and joyfully in hunting and fishing and eating….
The author is usually bad when she tries to write about her characters—this for example: "Her very ordinary, jade-green frock set off to perfection the creamy thickness of her skin." But when she lets them talk it is always amusing: "I hate that cloth, Puppy—all flecks; looks as if the hens had been peckin" it." Or Lady Mavis: "My dear, when I think how different things were in my day! They [men] literally crawled. Yes, with boxes of chocolate, like worms."
Margery Latimer, "Young Folks," in New York Herald Tribune Books, March 10, 1929, p. 18.
The Times Literary Supplement
The modern novel of sex and cocktails grafted on to the old-fashioned Irish tale of foxhunting and country-house life is a curious combination. That, however, is a not unfair description of [Taking Chances]…. Miss Farrell has, it appears, determined to go a little deeper and to attack more important problems than in her previous light hearted books. In this there is a vein of tragedy all through, and the end is tragedy unadulterated. On the whole she has been successful. Her personages, with one exception, are perhaps only types, but they are true types. Her machinery is excellent, and the sporting and humorous accessories as good as before. Yet there is something unpleasant, not in her subject, but in her handling of it—a treatment of the sensual which becomes sickly after a while. And how tiresome the girls' oaths and slang, quite genuine though they be, their "Come on, chaps!" their "crashings" and "terriblys," are when administered in large doses!
The book has five characters who count: the three Sorriers of Sorristown, the brothers Roguey and Gerald and their sister Maeve; their neighbour Rowland Fountain of Castle Fountain, who at the beginning of the story is about to marry Maeve; and the English girl Mary Fuller, who arrives as Maeve's bridesmaid, and stays to become Rowland's mistress (first) and Roguey's wife. As we have hinted, the first four are conventional enough…. It is the Saxon visitor Mary, who spoils every one's life, including her own, that is her creator's best achievement. One may call her grande amoureuse or born harlot according to one's views and standard of politeness; in either case one cannot deny that she is not only disturbing and dangerously attractive but quite convincing. Miss Farrell might go farther if she would use a blue pencil, not in the interests of morality, but in those of good taste.
A review of "Taking Chances," in The Times Literary Supplement, No. 1434, July 25, 1929, p. 590.
The New York Times Book Review
Occasionally there appears a book which disarms criticism. "Taking Chances" is one of these, perhaps because Ireland gives enchantment always, and Miss Farrell had laid her scene there. To most people there is something much dearer and even much more exciting about familiar things than unfamiliar. Recognition can be more wildly rapturous than discovery. Everything in this book is delightfully familiar to any one who has read any good Irish novel before: the bog, the hunting, the weeping skies, the charming people, the innumerable dogs and horses—all are here.
Apparently modern Ireland is as good a place as the old Ireland; and, by Miss Farrell's convincing interpretation, even cigarettes and cocktails become part of the most romantic equipment of love. Of fox-hunting one might imagine that everything had been said, but Miss Farrell makes it afresh the most glorious experience that can fall to the lot of man. Whatever quality this is that she possesses of making the ordinary exciting, the dull brilliant, the foolish very engaging, is put most to the test and is most successful in her relation of the passionate love of Mary and Rowley. Mary is an enchanting character, vindicating all that is foolish, helpless, rash, unvirtuous and entirely modern in any woman. (pp. 6-7)
It makes a very good story. (p. 7)
"'The Love of Jeanne Ney' and Other Recent Fiction: Enchanting Ireland," in The New York Times Book Review, February 16, 1930, pp. 6-7.
The Times Literary Supplement
Miss M. J. Farrell has already written two or three novels with an Irish setting which are lively and amusing in their way, but nothing nearly so good as Mad Puppetstown…. It, too, is light and amusing, but it has its serious side also and the observation displayed in it is acute. Above all, the three chief characters, Easter Chevington and her twin cousins Basil and Evelyn Curtis, are delightful creations. The author's heart is evidently in Ireland, and she has weighed down the scales in Ireland's favour when contrasting life in an Irish and in an English country house. One cannot say, however, that she has exaggerated the charm of the former….
Puppetstown is the Irish mansion of fiction, but none the less real for that. The scene opens some seven years before the War, when Easter is eight and her cousins a year older. Miss Farrell certainly understands Irish children, and has made these three as amusing as they are true to type. Then comes the War…. A little later there is a flight from Puppetstown. The soldier who has come to pay his court to Mrs. Curtis is murdered on his way home; she dashes off to England with the children; and the house is left to the care of the old gardening Great-Aunt Dicksie.
Then we are transported to Oxford, whence the boys have gone on from Eton and where Easter, now of age, is visiting them. The rest of the book is taken up with the struggle of the three against their new surroundings. Handsome, princely Evelyn succumbs, but Basil and Easter, suddenly and without warning, dash across to Ireland to find Puppetstown in a state of filth and Aunt Dicksie living alone in the house but for Patsy the pantry-boy, her sole domestic staff. We leave them there putting things in order, probably going to marry when Aunt Dicksie dies. Basil, Easter and Puppetstown itself are all so charming that we should like to hear more of them.
A review of "Mad Puppetstown," in The Times Literary Supplement, No. 1545, September 10, 1931, p. 680.
The New York Times Book Review
["Mad Puppetstown"] follows a more or less familiar pattern, but it is written with so much beauty and freshness that it seems, while one is reading it, to be alone of its kind. It is primarily a novel of locale, and nothing in it is so important as the feeling of a particular place that it conveys—the atmosphere, the color and activity, the sights and sounds of an Irish home. The considerations of plot and character are secondary—though the plot, what there is of it, is quite adequate, and the characters are ably and unmistakably drawn. Puppetstown, the seat of the Chevingtons, dominates the book.
In those mellow and prosperous years before the war and before the turbulent outbreak of the Irish...
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The New York Times Book Review
"Point-to-Point" [published in England as "Conversation Piece"] is a sporting novel, from the opening pages in which a certain Captain Pulleyns arrives at Pullinstown by his cousin's invitation to attend the point-to-point meeting of the Springwell Harriers, to the closing pages, which are partly concerned with Willow Pulleyns's misguided little romance, but more with a cub hunt, and some thrilling out-of-season riding. To the casual observer it must have seemed that Willow and her brother Dick lived solely for sport….
Even their romances—or what threatened to become their romances, for there existed between brother and sister a sympathy and likeness of mind which outsiders found difficult to...
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Margaret Wallace
Miss M. J. Farrell, who has entertained us in the past with stories of fox hunting and horse racing in Ireland, has chosen for her latest novel a quite different background and a set of characters hitherto foreign to her pen. Excellent and full flavored as her hunting tales are, one does not regret the change. It is probable that "Devoted Ladies" is Miss Farrell's best novel to date. Certainly she finds in it an opportunity for the exercise of a stinging wit and an extraordinarily acute and vital faculty of observation. This, together with the graceful and luminous prose style which readers of her previous novels will remember, forms an irresistible combination.
The novel opens in London, at a party...
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Jane Spence Southron
[In Full House, M. J. Farrell] has deserted her Irish fox-hunting and fishing for satirical characterization blended with a psychopathic and exceedingly sympathetic study of inherited insanity. For a comparatively young writer this was undoubtedly an ambitious and hazardous undertaking, and one can understand why she elected to make a clean sweep of her former literary stock-in-trade. She has kept Ireland as the scene of her drama, but she treats it as a somewhat negligible background, instead of as the breath and life of the book.
It is true that some of the most satisfyingly beautiful passages are scenic … but they are subordinated to the moods and tragedies of the characters, with which...
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Charlotte Moody
[The Rising Tide] is an extremely interesting and absorbing novel…. It is as much a story of a place and a period as of people; the place is Garonlea, an Irish estate, the period 1900 to the first years after the war, the people are the family of French-McGrath. Despite its setting and period, the war and the Irish Troubles are not important to the story, which concerns itself entirely with personality and environment….
It is difficult to give an accurate idea of this book without falling into phrases about Periods of Transition and the Spirit of the Times, which would be unfair, because the book is too human for that, some of its scenes too indelible. It is written with considerable...
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Garrett Epps
I read Good Behaviour in one sitting, and, when I'd finished, shook the book like a greedy child hoping one more goody would fall out.
Keane's characters are the impecunious Anglo-Irish gentry between the wars, and her central character is Aroon St. Charles, one of those poisonous unmarried female relations who infest every extended family….
But as Aroon recounts her path to manipulative spinsterhood, Keane performs the difficult trick of getting us inside this unattractive, overweight woman to see the naive but appealing girl she once was. Aroon is betrayed by her adored brother Hubert…. She is betrayed by her mother, who regards her from birth as a rival for the love of...
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Sally Emerson
The opening of Molly Keane's Good Behaviour is chillingly unforgettable. The narrator, 65-year-old Aroon St. Charles, relates the death of her mother in the small Gothic folly where they have moved, with one maid, surrounded by mementos of their past…. Aroon then takes us back to her childhood and we see the distance between the harsh woman she is now—as her mother used to be—and the affectionate girl she was then. We see where life has let her down.
The eccentricities of Aroon's mother and father as they pass their days at their ancestral home, Temple Alice, make the reader forget the macabre opening for a while…. This novel incorporates something of the sparkling, irresponsible mood...
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A. N. Jeffares
[Good Behaviour is an] atmospheric novel … ruthless in its black humour, irony, clarity of conception and execution. It is also profoundly sad. To tell the plot would spoil its effect, for there is a very real intellectual pleasure in store for the reader who gradually begins to realize the different planes upon which the story moves: there is the illusion of Anglo-Irish life with its well-brought-up silences, its refusal to face the facts of life. These include money, politics, religion and sex. And so the characters move in a world of faded elegance and damp decay, of luxury and extreme discomfort, taking their horses very seriously indeed. This is the world of the big house in decline and disintegration....
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Quentin Crisp
Time After Time is an interesting and funny tale full of grim, accurate observations, but to me it does not possess the stylish, classical form of [Good Behaviour] … nor has it that masterpiece's almost Lillian Hellman-like inevitability. Furthermore, instead of tracing a single heroine's decline from innocence to obese self-indulgence, it scatters our attention among five characters almost equally detestable from the start.
As ever in Keane's world, we find ourselves hobnobbing with the gentry in southern Ireland. The action and inaction take place mainly in a dilapidated house where once three sisters and a brother lived with their parents in heedless opulence. The narrative swims...
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Anne Tyler
Good Behaviour was a dark, subtle, savagely amusing study of the decline of a well-born Irish family after the First World War.
The members of that family destroyed each other, and that they did so with all due courtesy made the destruction no less cruel. But compared to the Swifts in Time After Time, the St. Charleses of Good Behaviour were angels of kindness.
Time After Time describes a family already ruined…. They more or less dislike each other, and yet they remain together, sniping and bickering and scratching out some shabby kind of life for themselves….
The novel's pacing is perfect. Roughly the first one-third of the story...
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Ann Hulbert
Keane directs [the] symmetrical and suspenseful plot [of Time After Time] with a dexterous hand. Staging a drama of revelation, she plants hints … and plays agilely with her characters' distorted perspectives. Keane proved herself a master of unreliable narration in Good Behaviour, letting deluded Aroon tell the story, at the same time betraying to us the true, even sadder, tale of her family's fate. This time Keane multiplies the myopia and shifts, artfully and comically, from one solipsistic Swift to the next…. Keane's feat is not only to make us correct for their skewed vision but also, improbably enough, to prompt us to care about their cantankerous views and fates. The brittle caricatures are...
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V. S. Pritchett
As one who knew something of the period of Molly Keane's Good Behaviour I was astonished to find there no hint of the Irish "Troubles," the Rising of 1916, the later civil war, or the toll of burned-down houses. Was this an instance of the Anglo-Irish, indeed of the general Irish habit of euphemism and evasion? What, of course, is most real to Molly Keane is the game of manners, the instinctive desire to keep boring reality at bay yet to be stoical about the cost.
The Victorian and Edwardian codes stayed on far longer in southern Ireland than in England. Good Behaviour … is less a novel than a novelized autobiography which exposes the case of Anglo-Irish women, especially in the...
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Margot Jefferson
Good Behaviour is a tale of appetites, pursued and thwarted, written in a style that lusts after the lethal aims tucked into civilized exchange, yokes mournful, sensuous description with analytic dismemberment, and sifts a high-handed 18th century rhythm through 1920s speediness. Time After Time gives us the same world, moved from the '20s to the present—aged, sour, full of cracks and grudges. Keane's writing seems tainted by the woes of her world: there's too much expositional clutter and fuss; stage directions dwarf the moments they're supposed to set up. It's a domestic drama of manners (Keane is scathingly funny, but rarely comic) into which a World War II thriller intrudes, unsettling the writer's...
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Skip to comments.'Explore as much as we can': Nobel Prize winner Charles Townes on evolution & intelligent design
Posted on 05/16/2007 6:54:51 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
Charles Townes is the Nobel Prize Physics winner whose pioneering work led to the maser and later the laser.
The University of California, Berkeley interviewed him on his 90th birthday where they talked about evolution, intelligent design and the meaning of life.
I thought this would be good to share...
BERKELEY Religion and science, faith and empirical experiment: these terms would seem to have as little in common as a Baptist preacher and a Berkeley physicist. And yet, according to Charles Hard Townes, winner of a Nobel Prize in Physics and a UC Berkeley professor in the Graduate School, they are united by similar goals: science seeks to discern the laws and order of our universe; religion, to understand the universe's purpose and meaning, and how humankind fits into both.
Where these areas intersect is territory that Townes has been exploring for many of his 89 years, and in March his insights were honored with the 2005 Templeton Prize for Progress Toward Research or Discoveries about Spiritual Realities. Worth about $1.5 million, the Templeton Prize recognizes those who, throughout their lives, have sought to advance ideas and/or institutions that will deepen the world's understanding of God and of spiritual realities.
Townes first wrote about the parallels between religion and science in IBM's Think magazine in 1966, two years after he shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for his groundbreaking work in quantum electronics: in 1953, thanks in part to what Townes calls a "revelation" experienced on a park bench, he invented the maser (his acronym for Microwave Amplification by Stimulated Emission), which amplifies microwaves to produce an intense beam. By building on this work, he achieved similar amplification using visible light, resulting in the laser (whose name he also coined).
Even as his research interests have segued from microwave physics to astrophysics, Townes has continued to explore topics such as "Science, values, and beyond," in Synthesis of Science and Religion (1987), "On Science, and what it may suggest about us," in Theological Education (1988), and "Why are we here; where are we going?" in The International Community of Physics, Essays on Physics (1997).
Townes sat down one morning recently to discuss how these and other weighty questions have shaped his own life, and their role in current controversies over public education.
Q. If science and religion share a common purpose, why have their proponents tended to be at loggerheads throughout history?
Science and religion have had a long interaction: some of it has been good and some of it hasn't. As Western science grew, Newtonian mechanics had scientists thinking that everything is predictable, meaning there's no room for God so-called determinism. Religious people didn't want to agree with that. Then Darwin came along, and they really didn't want to agree with what he was saying, because it seemed to negate the idea of a creator. So there was a real clash for a while between science and religions.
But science has been digging deeper and deeper, and as it has done so, particularly in the basic sciences like physics and astronomy, we have begun to understand more. We have found that the world is not deterministic: quantum mechanics has revolutionized physics by showing that things are not completely predictable. That doesn't mean that we've found just where God comes in, but we know now that things are not as predictable as we thought and that there are things we don't understand. For example, we don't know what some 95 percent of the matter in the universe is: we can't see it it's neither atom nor molecule, apparently. We think we can prove it's there, we see its effect on gravity, but we don't know what and where it is, other than broadly scattered around the universe. And that's very strange.
So as science encounters mysteries, it is starting to recognize its limitations and become somewhat more open. There are still scientists who differ strongly with religion and vice versa. But I think people are being more open-minded about recognizing the limitations in our frame of understanding.
You've said "I believe there is no long-range question more important than the purpose and meaning of our lives and our universe." How have you attempted to answer that question?
Even as a youngster, you're usually taught that there's some purpose you'll try to do, how you are going to live. But that's a very localized thing, about what you want with your life. The broader question is, "What are humans all about in general, and what is this universe all about?" That comes as one tries to understand what is this beautiful world that we're in, that's so special: "Why has it come out this way? What is free will and why do we have it? What is a being? What is consciousness?" We can't even define consciousness. As one thinks about these broader problems, then one becomes more and more challenged by the question of what is the aim and purpose and meaning of this universe and of our lives.
Those aren't easy questions to answer, of course, but they're important and they're what religion is all about. I maintain that science is closely related to that, because science tries to understand how the universe is constructed and why it does what it does, including human life. If one understands the structure of the universe, maybe the purpose of man becomes a little clearer. I think maybe the best answer to that is that somehow, we humans were created somewhat in the likeness of God. We have free will. We have independence, we can do and create things, and that's amazing. And as we learn more and more why, we become even more that way. What kind of a life will we build? That's what the universe is open about. The purpose of the universe, I think, is to see this develop and to allow humans the freedom to do the things that hopefully will work out well for them and for the rest of the world.
How do you categorize your religious beliefs?
I'm a Protestant Christian, I would say a very progressive one. This has different meanings for different people. But I'm quite open minded and willing to consider all kinds of new ideas and to look at new things. At the same time it has a very deep meaning for me: I feel the presence of God. I feel it in my own life as a spirit that is somehow with me all the time.
You've described your inspiration for the maser as a moment of revelation, more spiritual than what we think of as inspiration. Do you believe that God takes such an active interest in humankind?
[The maser] was a new idea, a sudden visualization I had of what might be done to produce electromagnetic waves, so it's somewhat parallel to what we normally call revelation in religion. Whether the inspiration for the maser and the laser was God's gift to me is something one can argue about. The real question should be, where do brand-new human ideas come from anyway? To what extent does God help us? I think he's been helping me all along. I think he helps all of us that there's a direction in our universe and it has been determined and is being determined. How? We don't know these things. There are many questions in both science and religion and we have to make our best judgment. But I think spirituality has a continuous effect on me and on other people.
That sounds like you agree with the "intelligent design" movement, the latest framing of creationism, which argues that the complexity of the universe proves it must have been created by a guiding force.
I do believe in both a creation and a continuous effect on this universe and our lives, that God has a continuing influence certainly his laws guide how the universe was built. But the Bible's description of creation occurring over a week's time is just an analogy, as I see it. The Jews couldn't know very much at that time about the lifetime of the universe or how old it was. They were visualizing it as best they could and I think they did remarkably well, but it's just an analogy.
Should intelligent design be taught alongside Darwinian evolution in schools as religious legislators have decided in Pennsylvania and Kansas?
I think it's very unfortunate that this kind of discussion has come up. People are misusing the term intelligent design to think that everything is frozen by that one act of creation and that there's no evolution, no changes. It's totally illogical in my view. Intelligent design, as one sees it from a scientific point of view, seems to be quite real. This is a very special universe: it's remarkable that it came out just this way. If the laws of physics weren't just the way they are, we couldn't be here at all. The sun couldn't be there, the laws of gravity and nuclear laws and magnetic theory, quantum mechanics, and so on have to be just the way they are for us to be here.
Some scientists argue that "well, there's an enormous number of universes and each one is a little different. This one just happened to turn out right." Well, that's a postulate, and it's a pretty fantastic postulate it assumes there really are an enormous number of universes and that the laws could be different for each of them. The other possibility is that ours was planned, and that's why it has come out so specially. Now, that design could include evolution perfectly well. It's very clear that there is evolution, and it's important. Evolution is here, and intelligent design is here, and they're both consistent.
They don't have to negate each other, you're saying. God could have created the universe, set the parameters for the laws of physics and chemistry and biology, and set the evolutionary process in motion, But that's not what the Christian fundamentalists are arguing should be taught in Kansas.
People who want to exclude evolution on the basis of intelligent design, I guess they're saying, "Everything is made at once and then nothing can change." But there's no reason the universe can't allow for changes and plan for them, too. People who are anti-evolution are working very hard for some excuse to be against it. I think that whole argument is a stupid one. Maybe that's a bad word to use in public, but it's just a shame that the argument is coming up that way, because it's very misleading.
That seems to come up when religion seeks to control or limit the scope of science. We're seeing that with the regulation of research into stem cells and cloning. Should there be areas of scientific inquiry that are off-limits due to a culture's prevailing religious principles?
My answer to that is, we should explore as much as we can. We should think about everything, try to explore everything, and question things. That's part of our human characteristic in nature that has made us so great and able to achieve so much. Of course there are problems if we do scientific experiments on people that involve killing them that's a scientific experiment sure, but ethically it has problems. There are ethical issues with certain kinds of scientific experimentation. But outside of the ethical issues, I think we should try very hard to understand everything we can and to question things.
I think it's settling those ethical issues that's the problem. Who decides what differentiates a "person" from a collection of cells, for example?
That's very difficult. What is a person? We don't know. Where is this thing, me where am I really in this body? Up here in the top of the head somewhere? What is personality? What is consciousness? We don't know. The same thing is true once the body is dead: where is this person? Is it still there? Has it gone somewhere else? If you don't know what it is, it's hard to say what it's doing next. We have to be open-minded about that. The best we can do is try to find ways of answering those questions.
You'll turn 90 on July 28. What's the secret to long life?
Good luck is one, but also just having a good time. Some people say I work hard: I come in on Saturdays, and I work evenings both at my desk and in the lab. But I think I'm just having a good time doing physics and science. I have three telescopes down on Mt. Wilson; I was down there a couple nights last week. I've traveled a lot. On Sundays, my wife [of 64 years] and I usually go hiking. I'd say the secret has been being able to do things that I like, and keeping active.
'Faith is necessary for the scientist even to get started, and deep faith is necessary for him to carry out his tougher tasks. Why? Because he must have confidence that there is order in the universe and that the human mind in fact his own mind has a good chance of understanding this order.'
-Charles Townes, writing in "The Convergence of Science and Religion," IBM's Think magazine, March-April 1966
Who created us? U.S. vs. UC Berkeley beliefs
A Nov. 18-21, 2004 New York Times/CBS News poll on American mores and attitudes, conducted with 885 U.S. adults, showed that a significant number of Americans believe that God created humankind. UC Berkeley's Office of Student Research asked the same question on its 2005 UC Undergraduate Experience Survey, results for which are still coming in. As of June 8, 2,057 students had responded.
Thank you so much for writing!
Revelation is revelation, the only kind there is.
No, not necessarily. But don't forget, I put great stock in the complementarity principle.
Notwithstanding, I must also mention that of the two saints, Anselm is closer to my heart.
Where it seems (to me at least) that Aquinas was "constructing a [rational] system," Anselm simply said: "Speak to my desirous soul what you are, other than what it has seen, that it may clearly see what it desires." And again, "O Lord, you are not only that than which a greater cannot be conceived, but you are also greater than what can be conceived."
That is certainly true, RightWhale. On the other hand, there's nothing in this acknowledgement that precludes one from inquiring into the source of the relevation. It seems to me that the quality and truth of the relevation is dependent on the quality and truth of its source. FWIW
Heidegger came in the wake of Hegel and Nietzsche as a type of existentialist who wanted to do without a metaphysics, whose experience of the world was always and ever an experience of space-time existence and nothing but. He's one of those characters who are willing to shift the old meanings. Transcendence, if anything is an arch-epoch of human existence in time.
Kant, who said he finished what Plato began, is really an Aristotle who works inside after declaring the outside inaccessible. But his reasons are different for finding things inaccessible. It isn't a practical consideration as it was for Aristotle. It is more logical and conceptual. Like Aristotle, Kant accepts the givenness of the world, but it is through conceptualization whereby the contradictions or paradoxes are resolved. Such is the hallmark of a scientistic "metaphysics." The nous has become the fully revealing god of a phenomenal kingdom. Who cares about noumena after that?
In short, three different socks that don't match.
I simply don't know enough even to know what it is that I don't know. I am interested, but don't know where to start.
I read Kierkegaard on Don Juan in 10th grade. It kind of turned me off on philosophy for awhile--just as Daniel Defoe's A Journal of the Plague Years kept me from enjoying Gulliver's Travels...
Or, to quote science fiction author Keith Laumer:
"I didn't know you read Kant."
"Can't read, you mean."
If cornelius, RightWhale, Alamo_Girl, & Betty Boop could give me a couple of 3rd grade level primers to start with, I'd promise to put them on my ever-burgeoning "to read" pile. :-)
(Full Disclosure: Just had a very successful job interview in Minneapolis yesterday...might have to put off the reading until I've relocated...)
Now that was funny ... and worthy of my College Philosophy teacher who thought the discipline to be the only subject deserving of college status outside of science and math classes. He was always hungover.
This has been the mystery of painters and poets as well as string theorists and other inspirationalists all along. James was on the right track, as was Whitehead, as was Vico, and Leibniz should be read so. Claustral permission appears to be the locus. That is what we call revelation, satori, inspiration. Everything we attribute to creativity is from sensation, which is all from Nature. Of course we create nothing, not even our society (all attempts are doomed), that is the baliwick of the Divine.
I am aware that none of this makes any sense at present.
I approach the quandary from a different perspective, i.e. what a beginning means.
In the absence of time, events cannot occur.
The origin of space/time is a more fundamental issue in every discipline than is the origin of energy, the origin of information and the origin of life v. non-life/death in nature.
In making a beginning of all that there is both spiritual and physical, God created space, time, causality, events and things - i.e. existence.
Which is to say, existence has no meaning apart from space/time, which is geometry. Even spiritual beings and eternity itself cannot "be" apart from time.
Moreover there is nothing of which any of these can be made but God Himself or more specifically, Gods will whether His creative will or His permissive will or some other type of will of which I am unaware.
No God, no existence; no Beyond, no here. To that extent, they are complementary but the reverse does not hold. God is (I AM) when every other existence is not, i.e. in the absence of time, God is. He is the only possible uncaused cause of "all that there is."
Those philosophers and scientists who formed their theories and systems before the measurement of cosmic microwave background radiation in the 1960s could appeal to a steady state universe and thus rationally justify a reduced sense of reality that all that there is is that which can be perceived by physical senses or mental reasoning, i.e. rationalize their atheism and politics or ideologies based on it.
Since then, the ever consistent, accumulating evidence is that space/time is created as the universe expands. And it is not just expanding, but accelerating. IOW, there was a beginning of real space and real time and therefore, physical causality, energy/matter, things and events. At the very minimum, there had to be an uncaused cause of the geometry, i.e. God.
Nowadays, all the atheists can do to justify their hope that God does not exist, is to theoretically push the beginning backwards to prior universes, prior causations. This is the plentitude argument, that anything that can happen, did. However, the plentitude argument requires an infinite past (space/time) and thus, these theories are merely obfuscations because whether brane theory or something else, all cosmologies rely on geometry for physical causation!
In sum, without an infinite past, no one can rationalize denying God the Creator. And there can be no existence - spiritual or physical - apart from God's will.
Neither time nor space exist. There are no patterns in nature. Also, information is inessential. Makes no sense, for sure, but in claustral philosophy, also called organic philosophy, it begins to.
I am so glad for being pinged to your worthy post, and grateful most of all for this perfect (precise and concise!) conclusion. Amen!
And thank you for the kudos, but truly when cornelis and betty boop get into a brisk discussion of philosophy - or when RightWhale asserts a new theory - I have to spend a lot of time researching the word concepts and thinkers before I can even comprehend much less respond. So I'd greatly benefit from one of the primers, too. LOL!
I would, but believe me this is evolved far from my own starting point. I was merely looking for the origin of rights and the state. There is darned little on that of any use, and I have even read Hegel and some other names including Aristotle, which is possibly a translation from Latin, which was from Arabic, which was from Aramaic, and who knows if he wrote it in Aramaic to begin with.
Plotinus was quite the jokester and sometimes it is easy to forget that he was pre-Christian. He apologized every day for presenting himself in corporal form.
Which is probably one of the silliest statements imaginable. As others have said, it leaves you with both feet planted firmly in the air. Every statement you make about science is rife with philosophical presuppositions. The problem is that "science" today operates in an overwhelming presupposition of naturalism, so that when you challenge those presuppositions, you get the same tired old cant about putting up the lab equipment and "praying about it" or other such rubbish.
Not at all. Science is a branch of philosophy descended from street-smart Aquinas. Thomists.
That's almost as bad as Kierkegaard...
Have you considered reading any of the enlightenment French, or nosing about among the Federalist papers to find *their* cited sources?
Which is probably one of the silliest statements imaginable. As others have said, it leaves you with both feet planted firmly in the air. Every statement you make about science is rife with philosophical presuppositions.
Sorry you disagree. But that's OK; you go ahead and make whatever philosophical statements you want about science. Science, on the other hand, will keep on doing what it does whether philosophers say yea or nay. We'll see where each is in fifty or a hundred years. (I'm betting on science.)
The problem is that "science" today operates in an overwhelming presupposition of naturalism, so that when you challenge those presuppositions, you get the same tired old cant about putting up the lab equipment and "praying about it" or other such rubbish.
Science works with the natural world, that is, with things that can be measured or observed in some manner. Things that cannot be observed or measured are left to philosophy, religion, and other fields. I see this as a strength, not a problem.
Philosophy, theology, and other fields are free to take whatever assumptions they want and run with them. Knock yourselves out! But when you claim results, you need to make sure they can be verified in some manner, and that they are not just the product of somebody's fevered imagination.
I am currently reading Lessing and Herder, who were reacting to the French revolution. Also, I am reading Ockham and Bacon, Roger, having read Bacon, Francis a couple years ago. There is a lot of reading. The trail became clear not long ago when I finally stumbled across a book in the Public Library and found that the author actually appeared to know what he was talking about. Fom there I followed his cites, and then the cites of those cites. After a while it starts to make some sense. Since I have been power reading for effect I have been doing what I can to preserve my eyes, which are still functional—that is important. I do not spend much time reading articles on the PC monitor since that will ruin the eyes. I find most of the modern writing on these topics is silly and may be disregarded without missing anything. Read the AntiFederalist papers, which is the stenographers note of the 1787 Constitutional Convention, there being no journalists reports allowed. Closed-door, bipartisan, secret, rushed through—sound familiar?
Not at all. Science is a branch of philosophy descended from street-smart Aquinas. Thomists.
Science may be descended from philosophy, but the greatest advances came when science divorced itself from the shackles of philosophy and theology and began to look for answers on its own, using its own assumptions and methods.
Currently, working scientists pay almost no attention to philosophers and their mumblings.
That's true since the colleges don't require philosophy except possibly an Ethics for dummies course, however, many scientists dig into philosophy when they are more mature and not working so hard on making their nut. Many of the best and most influential philosphers were scientists before. Kant was a physicist.
Leibniz, Gottfried Wilhelm 1646-1716
Whatever it is, it is older than both ID and the Rapture.
Is that how you can tell when senility sets in? ;-)
Positivism is dead. Has been since the 1930s.
For one thing, youve been speaking of Whitehead for several threads, so if you are resting in his view of organic philosophy a reconciliation of math/science and theology/philosophy - I must hasten to note that he was born in 1861 and thus, like Hegel (born 1770) and Nietzsche (born 1844) to whatever extent they address the physical, none of them had the insights of modern physics, cosmology, et al.
That of course doesnt mean the philosophers were ipso facto in error in whole or in part, but rather that they were not as informed as we are today and thus it falls to us or modern thinkers to put their insights in context.
There is also some dispute in the interpretation of Whitehead vis-à-vis theology as we can see here: Process Theism
Nevertheless, those who maintain that all that there is is an illusion or a dream (e.g. I am a figment of your imagination) have no basis for correspondence with math or science at all. It is a statement of faith much like the statement that God created all that there is last Thursday. Indeed, if Lanza's speculations were taken to the extreme, it would suggest that "reality" comes into existence as a result of the observation itself.
Einstein famously said that reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one but he was speaking of local realism in physics.
It seems we are always coming back to the epistemic divide. If all of science and math would adhere to Bohrs counsel, then it would limit itself to what it can say about the physical and nothing about the meaning of it. That would leave the broad reach to the philosophers who have the toolkit including the wisdom over the ages, to address the essence and to the theologians to put all of the knowledge in context with revelation, doctrine or tradition, i.e. systematic theology.
But of course that only works if the philosophers and theologians make an effort to understand modern math and science, e.g. Wolfgang Pannenberg.
I had to look that one up. One definition I found was:
the form of empiricism that bases all knowledge on perceptual experience (not on intuition or revelation)No wonder the philosophers dumped it! It was about to put them out of business!
Whitehead explained relativity to Einstein. Philosophy was a second career for Whitehead, after he retired from mathematics. He is hard to read, but he has to be read first hand since translations suffer from the usual failure to transmit meaning.
Indeed, whatever is not observed has as much significance as whatever is observed. And, truly, the observation - or ommission - is causal to what happens next and thus contributes to the unfolding of reality.
Lanza's speculations are very useful to us in our research of God and the Observer Problem - but I still hesitate on quoting him directly because his speculations are often applied to the extreme which would lead to the "reality is illusion" deadend.
Unfortunately, positivism means different things in different areas of expertise. Logical positivism was killed off by Goedel, but historical positivism lives. Positive in this sense is not the opposite of negative but the other, similar-sounding term spelled the same meaning that which is placed or posited. Completely different word even though spelled and pronounced the same, like half our wonderful language.
I disagree with this presupposition, RightWhale. As William James wrote, "Great thinkers have vast premonitory glimpses of schemes of relation between terms, which hardly even as verbal images enter the mind, so rapid is the whole process." We are not speaking at all of "sensation" here. He adds to this statement a footnote:
Mozart describes thus his manner of composing: First bits and crumbs of the piece come and gradually join together in his mind; then the soul getting warmed to the work, the thing grows more and more, "and I spread it out broader and clearer, and at last it gets almost finished in my head, even when it is a long piece, so that I can see the whole of it at a single glance in my mind, as if it were a beautiful painting or a handsome human being; in which way I do not hear it in my imagination at all as a succession -- the way it must come later -- but all at once, as it were. It is a rare feast! All the inventing and making goes on in me as in a beautiful strong dream. But the best of all is the hearing of it all at once. [I added the bolds]Notice that Mozart uses analogies to vision and hearing in his description of the creative process; but there's not a scintilla of "sense impression" going on here. This creative process is entirely internal to the mind.
You wrote: "Of course we create nothing, not even our society (all attempts are doomed), that is the baliwick of the Divine."
Tell that to Mozart!
Hhhmmmmm third-grade level philosophy primer??? Jeepers, I wouldn't know what to recommend! I don't have one of those myself....
If I may offer a suggestion: On the observation that "all of philosophy is but a recapitulation of Plato," I'd recommend reading his dialogues! The beauty of Plato is that he is not a system builder, he does not construct doctrines. He is more interested in the formulation of proper questions than he is in finding answers. His method is not to tell you what to think, but to show you where to look, and bid you to go and see for yourself. My favorites: Timaeus, Apology, Symposium, Gorgias, Critias (which features the Atlantis myth), Republic, and Laws.
There is virtually no issue in philosophy that Plato didn't originally raise in his works. Which explains the statement, "all of philosophy is but a recapitulation of Plato."
And in addition to being a world-class philosopher, Leibniz was also a world-class mathematician who independently developed the calculus.
The reverse is also true. It can be demonstrated that both Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr were students of philosophy, and their philosophical understandings deeply influenced their work as scientists.
I think what Coyoteman is describing when he says that no scientists today pay any attention to philosophy at all simply describes the situation of increasing deculturation that is advancing among many if not most Western intellectuals of our time. The education process is failing in its primary mission: To transmit the culture to the rising generation.
Oh thank you so much for mentioning Wolfhart Pannenberg, professor of systematic theology at Munich. He has been "dialoguing" with scientists of late! I highly recommend his fascinating work, Toward a Theology of Nature, 1993. It's simply a marvelous read!
The measurements of the CMB from the 1960's and myriad other observations since show that space/time is not fixed, indeed does not pre-exist, the universe (space/time) is expanding, there was a beginning of real space and real time.
As a philosophy, it retains merit but as science, it is debunked.
Modern Cosmology and Process Philosophy
#283: There is virtually no issue in philosophy that Plato didn't originally raise in his works. Which explains the statement, "all of philosophy is but a recapitulation of Plato."
And that is one of the reasons I can't get excited by philosophy. Philosophers are still batting the same ideas around after 2,500 years, and are no closer to any resolution than Plato was. By way of comparison, just look at what science has done in just the last 250 years.
#284: I think what Coyoteman is describing when he says that no scientists today pay any attention to philosophy at all simply describes the situation of increasing deculturation that is advancing among many if not most Western intellectuals of our time. The education process is failing in its primary mission: To transmit the culture to the rising generation.
Deculturation? No. When you are doing many of the technical sciences studying philosophy is simply a colossal waste of time.
The education process is failing in its primary mission: To transmit the culture to the rising generation.
The education establishment has determined that western culture is not worth transmitting to the next generation. Science is increasingly ignoring "educators" as well.
And so sayeth the Curmudgeon.
We'll have to label him with a "handle with care" tag!!! LOL! But then again, people often take Bohr to extremes, and declare him to be an "Eastern thinker." I think Bohr would be surprised by this, were he still around to hear of it.
Thanks so much for writing, my dearest sister in Christ!
It will not do to read about Whitehead. Read Whitehead. Then translate. The problem with most translators is that they either do not know both languages or do not know the subject matter, or both. A handful of translators have done well, Luther being one.
Thank you both - #s 282 and 278 have good stuff for me in them! I'm reading along, hoping what's bouncing around inside will coalesce and come out again somehow creatively!
Thank you for all of your beautiful posts, dearest sister in Christ!
Fine, but what else is there?
I'm afraid you're right about that, Coyoteman.
Yet culture is the center that must hold if society is not to disintegrate.
You evidently do not appreciate that problems of human existence are what inspire the philosophical questions that are still "open questions" after 2,500 years. 2,500 years hence, they will probably still be "open questions" -- assuming the human race hasn't destroyed itself first.
In short, these are questions that it seems eternally persist, which science has no method to address. Man has always been asking them, and probably always will. The sheer persistency of the questions is evidence in favor of the persistency of human nature as a given thing (i.e., something that doesn't "evolve").
Looks that way to me, too, dearest sister in Christ. The problem of "Second Realities" raises its ugly head.... :^) In the end, they can create nothing useful; but they are very good at destroying the public consensus on which free societies rest.
There is a reason why these questions persist and it is nothing spiritual. These things are vital to survival. We choose on the basis of virtue and virtue means 'strength.' The science or philosophy of choosing is called ethics or morals. Choose well. Choose strongly.
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[Madison, Ga.] Just two years ago, Mannington Mills purchased Amtico, the UK based commercial LVT supplier. Since then, the company has integrated the sales forces of Amtico and Mannington Commercial, streamlined operations, brought more commercial LVT manufacturing stateside and invested in facility expansion and technology.
Most importantly, the company has secured the leading position in the commercial LVT market with some 42 percent share, it reported.
The company is also well on its way to reaching its long term goal of bringing 100 percent of both residential and commercial LVT production to the U.S. "We've been on-shoring the commercial part of the LVT line and it's had a huge impact on the business. We've experienced a higher growth rate," said David Sheehan, vice president, commercial hard surface, Mannington Commercial, a position he was promoted to last February. Additionally, Al Boulogne was recently promoted to senior director, commercial LVT.
The expansion in Madison, announced in September 2013, will play out in phases and quadruple capacity adding capabilities the company did not have before. Phase one is to be completed by 2015 — construction is well on its way with more than 600 tons of concrete and steel in the ground, according to Sheehan.
In fact, there is equipment ready to put in place this April. "We are moving as quickly as we can. It's very aggressive," he said. In addition, there are other ideas the company expects to bring to life in 2016. The expansion is expected to be a $50 million effort.
The process is aimed at eventually bringing all LVT production — both commercial and residential — to the U.S. and better servicing customers here. And, because of the unique custom capabilities Amtico offers, that means everything from increasing line capacity and wear layer application to custom cutting to warehousing — though Amtico is made to order and requires little inventory on Mannington's side. "We're making investments now to ensure our continued market leadership. This will make us more cost competitive These investments are timely with everyone wanting to get into this business."
There are many advantages to producing LVT here in the States, according to Sheehan. While facilities in China use a manual static press, here in Madison the process is done with automated equipment. Asian producers offer set formats, for example, while Mannington Commercial is set-up to be flexible and offer customization. Lead times for product coming out of Asia, he said, can be 16 weeks while product made here is a five to 10 day turn-around. In fact, product stacked and waiting to be cut in Conyers the day I visited, had been manufactured just that morning in Madison. It was slated to be cut, packaged and leave Conyers that same day.
The company holds a 98.6 percent on time rate, according to Natalie Jones, vice president of brand development at Mannington Commercial, "90 percent of orders ship in five days."
The company has already brought the first locking system production line to the U.S. LockSolid is now being made in the Conyers facility. That equipment was put in place last July. "Within residential, click is the fastest growing sub segment. lt is also an important player in commercial as well," Sheehan said. "We are the first ones to do that here."
Embossed in register capability will be increased in 2014 and 2015. That business is also important to residential as well as commercial.
And, Jones said, the company is also "enhancing the sustainability features of LVT. We have the ambition to be the environmental leader in LVT." To that end, the company currently uses 30-55 percent recycled (post-industrial) material in its product.
Building the empire
Amtico Road, leading up to the Madison facility, winds through a vast property — some 17 acres purchased by Amtico in the late '90s so there is plenty of room to grow. It will soon include a warehouse that can bundle commercial product and eventually residential product. Already a foundation has been laid to extend the current manufacturing site for further expansion.
Mannington got into the LVT business in 2003 at the request of its distribution partners. It started off simple with just 13 patterns and a 16 X 16 tile format. A year later, it entered the commercial market. "Today we operate multiple brands and product lines," said Sheehan. "It's the fastest growing category."
Prior to acquiring Amtico, Mannington Commercial had about 11 percent market share of the LVT business. "Amtico was definitely the market leader," said Sheehan. Today, he said, Mannington Commercial, including Amtico, enjoys a lead position with 42 percent share.
"We want to grow and extend our market leadership in LVT. And with Shaw and Mohawk in the business, we need to invest in technologies that will provide us with a sustainable competitive advantage." he said.
As the Commercial division grows, it will preserve the product lines that have become important to the market — Mannington including Nature's Path, Nature's Path Select and Walkways; and, Amtico and Spacia.
Though the sales force for Mannington and Amtico is combined, the brands will continue to go to market in their respective traditional ways — Mannington through distribution and Amtico direct. "On the direct selling side of our business, it's one commercial sales force with our 'Choices that Work' strategy," explained Sheehan.
The Mannington expansion is a significant contributor to growing the local economy. Jones noted that with the expansion and investments, there has been a 30 percent increase in jobs in Madison and in Conyers where the cutting is done.
Amtico was known for its custom work — which happens primarily in the Conyers facility — in the commercial sector and that is a key focus as Mannington Commercial expands and grows. To that end, the company intends to invest resources in this unique capability.
"I think we have a compelling story in residential and commercial," said Sheehan, noting superior styling and performance as part of the story. "We have more than 280 choices that ship in five to seven days," he said. "Nearly all Amtico and Spacia products are produced in the U.S. as is 40 percent of the Mannington commercial line. We are doing this to provide the best service to our customers."


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In short: A race that keeps you on your toes. Weald - a welcoming village that knows how to put on a great show!In full: I have entered this race looking for a challenge and I have not been disapointed - a fair amount of downhill in the 1st half with decent playful uphill sections to keep one entertained. 5-8k and the last hill added the spice. Lovely route, immaculate marshalling, friendly and supportive atmosphere both from the marshalls and the villagers themselves. Dame Kelly Holmes presenting each runner with their medal and being nothing but a runner between runners - deffinitely back next year!Date of review: September 8, 2013
In short: Is it just me, or was it all uphill?Date of review: September 8, 2013
In short: Great but the long incline 5-8k and short sharp hill before finish make it challengingDate of review: September 8, 2013
In short: Great race on quiet country roads with a real sting in the last 1K.Date of review: September 8, 2013
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In short: Lovely country race. Great atmosphere. Will do againIn full: A reasonably challenging race, mainly on road with a few short sections on paths, in a lovely rural setting. Friendly atmosphere and no crowding. The marshals were extremely encouraging all the way round - a big thank you to them. The organisation and facilities were very good. The highlight was having my medal presented by Dame Kelly Holmes, who also started the race. A very memorable day. I will be back.Date of review: September 8, 2013
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Portugal: The Land of Hospitality with South Coast Team Rider John Norris
South Coast Surf Shops' team rider John Norris is at it again. Here's his account of a short trip to Portugal, the place he has come to know as the land of Hospitality, and epic sandbar wedges.
Surfing in Portugal
When I think of Portugal, one word comes to mind– hospitality. I've never in my life experienced such welcoming and friendly people. My trip to Portugal was a short one, but I think its almost better that way, only giving me a little taste of a country I now need to go back to and explore its entirety.
Only a couple days before I had arrived, I had no plans. I'd heard rumors of long points and dredging beachbreaks, wedgy coves and shallow slabs. This place seemed like the holy grail. Unfortunately there was no swell on the horizon but I didn't care, I live for getting lost in unfamiliar countries. I was going.
A friend originally from Portugal who now lives in La Jolla found out I was going to Lisbon, messaged a friend and told him I was coming and wanted to surf. This is where the hospitality began. Without ever meeting the guy in my life, Tomas Valente messaged me and told me he could meet up the afternoon I arrived for a surf, and had a board that I could borrow for the time I was there. I rented a car and started the drive over to his house about a half hour away– if you know the roads that is. Not speaking the language and furthermore not understanding the street signs, I was lost. What should've been a thirty minute drive turned into an hour and a half, but eventually I made it. With a quick handshake to Tomas and his friend Diogo, these guys treated me like family.
We made our way to a beach named Guincho, a wedgy beachbreak nestled inside of a wind-sheltered cove. We see a couple of wedges and Tomas decides this is probably our best bet for the day. Keep in mind that there's no swell in the water, but somehow with the way Portugal sticks out into the ocean, there are chest high wedges coming in. We surfed for about an hour, the tide got too high and it was time to move on to another wave. A five minute drive and we got to another playful beachbreak named Cresmina. Surfed again for about an hour and a half and we were beat. We head back to Tomas' house and call it a day. He immediately asks if I wanted to surf again tomorrow and I gladly said yes.
The next day, there was a little bit of a south swell in the water so we decided to go a bit further to a wave called Praia Grande. There was a running left sandbar that would peel for a little over 50 yards with nobody out and we were on it. A couple hours later and a handful of great rides later, we were beat. It was time to say our goodbyes and start my journey home already. I told you it was short– but so well worth it. Everyone needs to give Portugal a try.
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"UMES is a true high tech incubator; that's why we partnered with them," said Paul Carliner, president of Bloosurf. "This partnership will allow us to offer state-of-the-art broadband service, including 4G mobile broadband service, to Princess Anne and the surrounding communities on the lower Shore. This will be a huge boost for economic development and job creation.
U.S. Senators Barbara A. Mikulski and Benjamin L. Cardin have been tireless advocates who were both highly instrumental to the project that will allow Bloosurf to build a wireless last-mile network for the rural areas of Worcester, Somerset and Wicomico counties, as well as Smith Island.
"To help rural Maryland compete globally, we must expand high-speed technology locally," said Senator Mikulski, a longtime component of bringing the technology to the Shore. "The grant will help communities in Eastern Maryland connect to the information superhighway, as well as support new jobs, help small businesses and boost economic growth."
"Internet access is critical to the economy of the 21st Century and this Recovery Act funding will ensure completion of the high-speed, broadband service to Worcester, Somerset and Wicomico counties and Smith Island," said Senator Cardin. "This funding will ensure that residents and businesses on the Eastern Shore have much-needed broadband service and it will help to create jobs and spur economic growth."
Rep. Frank Kratovil, a member of the House Agriculture committee, has been consistent in his fight to expand broadband access on the Shore in an effort to sure up critical job-creating infrastructure.
"I have consistently fought to expand broadband access on the Eastern Shore," said Rep. Kratovil. "These funds will be utilized to help bridge the 'digital divide' and ensure that those living in rural communities have access to the information and tools that they need to compete. Strategic investments like this are exactly why I was pleased to vote for the Recovery Act—these funds will be used to create jobs, grow the economy, and provide critical services for those living on the Lower Shore."
Leveraging $160,000 in private contribution, this network will provide 4G broadband to homes and businesses on the lower shore. About 126,000 people stand to benefit, as well as about 6,000 business and 351 community institutions.
UMES has been a long term advocate and participant in efforts to enhance network access in the region. Past efforts include completing the original ShoreNet study that pointed out the need for enhanced access for high speed networking on the Eastern Shore; providing seed funding for the Maryland Broadband Cooperative through the UMES Rural Development Center; and working with Bloosurf, LLC, to revitalize the Lower Shore Broadband Cooperative.
For more information concerning the Maryland Hawk Corporation, a university-affiliated, non-profit 501(c)(3) foundation, contact Dan Kuennen at 410-651-6183 or by email at firstname.lastname@example.com.
Suzanne Waters Street, agriculture communication specialist, UMES – University of Maryland Extension, 410-651-6084, firstname.lastname@example.com.


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Usually airshows such as Sun 'n Fun and EAA Airventure in Oshkosh are dominated by news from aircraft manufacturers, GPS makers, and headset companies. Rarely is flight training ever discussed or featured. This year's Sun 'n Fun was different. There were a number of exciting announcements, including some from AOPA. Here's a wrap-up:
When a simulator company announces the biggest nonairplane order of any company at Sun 'n Fun, you take notice. Redbird is growing at a breakneck pace, and the company's $1 million sale to a Brazilian customer was some of the top news of the show. With the simulated ATC program Parrot now shipping, look for more to come.
King Schools
You probably know King Schools from the company's video training. Now they are getting into the business of requalifying flight instructors. A new Flight Instructor Refresher Clinic will be aimed not at traditional content, such as FARs and aerodynamics, but rather on soft subjects, such as how to make sure your students pass the checkride, and how to get better at teaching risk management. I couldn't be more excited about this. Flight instructors treat FIRCs much like students treat the written test. It's a hurdle with little applicability to the real world. I'm hoping the King Schools course is a good step toward changing that.
Of course I had to throw in AOPA's news. The association is doubling down on its efforts to grow the pilot population. We're creating a center within the organization dedicated to the flight training initiative, and strengthening the pilot community. It's a sign of the association's commitment to fixing the problems we face.
As another part of the press conference, we announced the latest winners to the flight training scholarship program. There are some great stories here, so make sure you take a look and apply again later this year if you didn't win this time.
Every pilot in the world, and many people who aren't pilots, recognize the Piper J-3 Cub. Finally, someone who leads Piper Aircraft recognizes them as well. For far too long the company has ignored its flight training heritage and has not embraced its roots. People have a deep love and affection for the Cub, and while Piper has known enough to sell a few hats and T-shirts around the iconic brand, it's done nothing to further capitalize on the good feelings the Cub brings about. For the first time in some years, Piper displayed a Cub at the show. No, don't get too excited because it will be a cold day in product liability litigation before the company will manufacturer them again, but at least they are telling us they get it. And to top it off, new President Simon Caldecott said, "I want to get Piper heavy back into the training business."
Didn't win a flight training scholarship from AOPA? Try again with Sennheiser. The headset company is launching its Live Your Dream campaign, which provides eight $1,500 scholarships. Applications will open in May.
Did you go to Sun 'n Fun this year? What did you think about the show? What was your impression for those who went for the first time?—Ian J. Twombly
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This week's guest, Katy Payne, was one of the scientists interviewed in a recent 60 Minutes feature about the ongoing study of elephant behavior in the Dzanga forest clearing in the Central African Republic. This is worth watching because it contains beautiful and moving footage of elephant interaction, including how elephants behave after the death of a young calf in 2000. I believe, though have yet to confirm, that this is the footage Katy Payne describes in our program:
"We were keeping a video record. It was very painful and hard for us to do so, but we did this for the rest of the day and all the next day. And during that time, more than 100 elephants, unrelated to the calf, walked past the place where the little corpse lay on the ground. Every single one of them did something that showed alarm, concern, or somehow showed they were aware of something novel that they were approaching. Some of them took a detour around. About a quarter of them tried to lift the body up with their tusks and their trunks, sometimes trying over and over again. One adolescent male attempted to lift up this little corpse 57 times, and walked away from it and came back five different times."
The feature focuses primarily on efforts to create an "elephant dictionary" from studying vocalizations, including infrasonic sounds. Katy Payne is as warm and passionate as she was with us, giving some impressive imitations of elephant vocalizations herself.


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The Milk and Honey tracks too are interesting (as is unreleased stuff like Real Love)- if he ever got past the half-Yoko charade (which was really just a cop-out to be held accountable for a solid all John album) he would have likely made some good music.
That wasn't a charade. If you listen to his 1980 interviews, he was adamant that people would have to accept him with Yoko.This is coming from John himself. In any cae, I like Yoko's songs on DF and I think it's a concept album that worked alot better than STINYC.


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Where should residents park trailers and boats?
ESCANABA – Progress is being made on a revised ordinance of the parking of trailers and boats within the city limits of Escanaba. A committee met Wednesday at city hall to go over the draft to date.
Nine residents met with city officials to discuss proposed changes in the existing ordinance which hasn't been revised for more than four decades.
Escanaba's current ordinance does not allow the parking of any trailer on any street or other public place overnight. The present ordinance also does not address the parking of boats on city streets and boulevards.
Over the years, complaints of motor homes, campers, boats, and utility trailers parked in the city have been addressed on an individual complaint basis.
Issues included trailers blocking the sight of drivers and pedestrians, trailers being unsightly to neighbors, and trailers limiting street access to emergency vehicles like fire trucks.
Last summer, city officials and police issued 39 warnings to educate residents on the city ordinance and laws regarding the parking of trailers on boulevards and streets. A citizens committee was then formed this fall to update the current ordinance.
Escanaba City Manager Jim O'Toole, Escanaba Public Safety Director Ken Vanderlinden, and Escanaba Community Preservation Director Blaine DeGrave researched ordinances from other municipalities.
"The three of us looked at trailer ordinances from across the country," said O'Toole. Thirteen cities were polled in the Upper Peninsula.
More than half of the local communities did not have specific trailer ordinances and either experienced no issues or addressed problems on a complaint basis, according to Vanderlinden. Cities which do have specific trailer ordinances include Negaunee, Norway, Menominee, and Iron River. Iron Mountain is presently working on a trailer ordinance, he added. O'Toole noted, "There are a couple communities watching what we're doing."
Escanaba's proposed ordinance would allow the parking of trailers and boats for up to 48 hours for loading, unloading and cleaning.
A concern expressed by some committee members Wednesday was what alternatives there are for residents who cannot park their campers on their property or street. The security of trailers parked somewhere else was also a concern.
The group concurred that not everyone's needs can be met with a city ordinance and some exceptions would have to be addressed individually.
"There are going to be unique circumstances so an appeals process is added," said O'Toole, reminding committee members the city needs ordinances to enforce and public safety officers need laws to enforce.
The ordinance is "for the purpose of preserving the peace, health and safety of the residents of the city and the surrounding community," states the draft. "This is a work in progress," O'Toole said, asking the group to review the proposed draft and offer adjustments.
Once a final ordinance is drafted, two public hearings must be held prior to council adopting the document, explained O'Toole, anticipating the process to be completed by this spring.
"We're getting there," he commented before the meeting adjourned.


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Travie McCoy of Gym Class Heroes answered a few questions about how much time he spends doing various activities throughout the day. Click HERE to read all of his answers.
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Click HERE to see a gallery of photos from Fun.'s BBC Radio 1 Live Lounge yesterday morning where the band covered 'Somebody That I Used To Know' with Hayley Williams of Paramore via digital transmission from Los Angeles.
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This morning Fun. performed an acoustic cover of Gotye's 'Somebody That I Used To Know' for BBC's Radio 1 Live Lounge in London. 5,000 miles away, Hayley Williams of Paramore sang with the band via digital transmission from a studio in Los Angeles. This is the first time Radio 1 has had a performance from two artists in separate studios. Listen to their version above. What do you think?
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As the president of Mississippi College, I have played a role in making several decisions that could be characterized as leaps of faith. Launching the "Growing the Vision" campaign and then increasing its goal from $65 million to $80 million, developing a program to recruit international students in the wake of 9/11, and beginning the Accelerated Degree Program for non-traditional students are just a few examples.
We tend to think of faith as taking a leap into darkness, something we do with no idea whether or not we'll be successful. But looking at the leaps MC has taken – and at some leaps from my own life – I've come to realize that a leap of faith isn't always a leap into darkness. Quite often, it's a leap into varying degrees of light.
For example, even though we had no guarantees, those of us responsible for making the decisions about Mississippi College mentioned above had access to information that led us to believe we would be successful. The same is true of decisions rooted in personal faith. Some decisions may seem like stepping into a bright, relatively sure light, while others feel more like taking a plunge into a dim gray space where the footing will be uncertain when we land.
While the Bible tells us in Hebrews 11:1 that faith is "being certain of things we do not see," the Bible itself provides us with the information we need to take that leap. From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible tells a unified story of faith tested, challenged, and rewarded, and provides us with the instruction we need to rely on that same faith in our own lives today.
In the following pages, you'll meet people who have taken leaps into bright light, dim light, and every shade of gray in between. I hope this issue of the Beacon will encourage you in your daily walk of faith and inspire you to take those leaps of faith that are nothing less than life-changing.


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In an interesting side note, the state of Massachusetts still has blue laws on the books that prevent employees from working before midnight on Thanksgiving Day. The Boston Globe editorializes that "the blue laws are creating nothing but inconvenience; many stores adjust by simply opening at 12:30 a.m. instead of midnight. Workers still come in – but half an hour deeper into the night."
One rejoinder concerning the relationship between Thanksgiving and Black Friday is that those who have to work on Thursday ought to be thankful to have a job at all, particularly in these times of economic hardship. This is certainly true, but I don't think this means that employees simply have to silently accept whatever their employer demands of them. As I've said, the remedy for this moral problem is best sought in the context of the complex web of relationships between employees, employers, and customers. And we need not derogate the true blessing that work is to say that it ought to have its limits. It seems to me that the widespread impingement of non-essential commercial activity into holidays like Thanksgiving probably crosses these limits, at least in some cases.
All of this means that customers need to be more aware of what their shopping habits and practices demand of businesses. And some companies might realize that the moral demand in certain cases might mean not giving customers what they want (e.g. opening at midnight on Thanksgiving). A salutary example of this kind of response is found in the folks at Hobby Lobby, who have never operated on Sunday.
Their reasoning goes like this: "We have chosen to close on the day most widely recognized as a day of rest, in order to allow our employees and customers more time for worship and family. This has not been an easy decision for Hobby Lobby because we realize that this decision may cost us financially. Yet we also realize that there are things more important than profits. This is a matter of principle for our company owner and officers."
It's wonderful when we don't need laws to tell us what's the right thing to do.


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The Ombre looks just never seems to get old, it's crazy how many variations we have seen of this look but it always seems to look so fresh! What is amazing about this one is that the ombre actually starts below a darker tone of color and the messy waves just work so well on accentuating the entire look. This is a great look for younger teens and adults looking to give their style a little "piquanté" by ruffing up their hair in such a cool and trendy manner.


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Friday, November 30, 2012
Thursday, November 29, 2012
In the shop.... just a ton of children's books
In the shop....
The Hobo Hound by May Edwards, illustrated by Susanne Suba (1947).
Mr. Sipple and the Naughty Princess by Jan Slepian and Ann Seidler, illustrated by Richard E. Martin (1964).
Good Neighbors by Diane Redfield Massie (1972).
Henny Penny retold by Wallace C. Wadsworth, illustrated by George Tweedale (1960s or 1970s).
Me! A First Book of Poems for Children compiled by Lee Bennett Hopkins, illustrated by Talivaldis Stubis (1970).
Friction by Edward Victor, illustrated by Mel Hunter (1961).
Policeman Dan by Virginia Hunter, illustrated by George Wilde (1960s).
The Three Beggar Kings - A Story for Christmas by Rosalys Haskell Hall, illustrated by Kurt Werth (1974).
Lost in the Department Store by Jean E. Laird, illustrated by Lawrence M. Spiegel (1968).
Mr. Pine's Purple House by Leonard Kessler (1965).
Gomar, the Gosling by Gene Darby, illustrated by Edward Miller (1969).
Papa Small - illustrated by Lois Lenski
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NBC's Sexually-Explicit Super Bowl Ad Rejection Makes Us Blush
Apparently, NBC has something against girls who love their veggies. After we submitted our proposed Super Bowl ad, which features a comely crop of models demonstrating their fondness for fresh produce, NBC nixed the ad, saying it "depicts a level of sexuality exceeding our standards." No joke, this is straight from NBC—so stop fondling your fruit salad right now and read the list of shots NBC requested we cut before they'd reconsider:
- licking pumpkin
- touching her breast with her hand while eating broccoli
- pumpkin from behind between legs
- rubbing pelvic region with pumpkin
- screwing herself with broccoli (fuzzy)
- asparagus on her lap appearing as if it is ready to be inserted into vagina
- licking eggplant
- rubbing asparagus on breast
Wow, that list even made us blush! You can read the full NSFW letter from NBC here and then watch the video to see what the controversy is all about. Not as pure as eating apple pie, but it sure does drive home the fact that vegetarians make better lovers. And I'm pretty sure that most Super Bowl fans would find the ad a lot more appealing than the impotence and other not-so-sexy effects that a steady stream of chicken wings and burgers can have on their love lives.
Why so grouchy NBC? Sounds like someone's not getting enough um…vegetables. I'm thinking network execs could really benefit from a broccoli booty call.
That said, what do you think about our sexy Super Bowl ad? Do you agree with NBC's decision to reject it?
Written by Amy Elizabeth
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And Janet Jackson exposing her breast on TV during the performance was OK?…Because we all know that was by accident 😉
How many ads have I seen during a superbowl that consist of half-naked, big breasted ladies "loving" their ice cold beers? While I definitely agree that we don't need to be selling sex to get our message across, this is total hypocrisy on the part of NBC!
Everybody calm down. The ad is fine. I've seen more suggestive and/or offensive behavior on prime time TV (including NBC) every evening. And I'm definitely eating more asparagus now and not raping anybody.
As a man, I find these ads to be quite humerous. I don't see what the problem is. A bunch of dinosaurs at NBC. Should have let it be. Also, something to be said about their fear of women expressing sexuality – in any form. Ladies should consider this. I don't think it depicts women as sex objects. It turns the table and depicts the vegetables as sex objects. Women can do whatever they want – and confident, compassionate men like that a lot more. If the goal was to illicit a response, it certainly did (and would have even further if it aired). I don't think it would've been negative at all. We can show so much destruction and horror but not sex or love. I find the PETA commercials that depict animals being harmed as very difficult to watch – not appealing because the reality bites. We find a way to show it through love or sex and its banned, hmm?
I'm a PETA member and activist and thought this ad was totally stupid. Sorry, try again.
You can have a better ad without all the "sex". When is the world going to realize that we are not all pimps and sluts??? Want a great ad? Sell it without using sex. Try getting to our brains instead of our sexual responses. Now that would be a brilliant ad.. I support peta, but won't continue to if they continue to do ads like this. If you want young kids to be vegans and supporter then gear your ads as such.
First, I LOVE THE AD. Excellent implications yet accomplished with style, grace and taste. Interesting how NBC saw things that were not there or things that didn't happen. Judging from what I've seen and heard on NBC's own programs, they don't have any standards – or they waive their so-called standards when it comes to their programs. Obviously, NBC did NOT WANT TO run an ad for PETA, especially an effective one. Seems as if that decision was made BEFORE they ever viewed the ad. Then they simply looked for as many reasons, real or imaginary, as possible to reject it. Too bad the airwaves don't really belong to the public. Too bad NBC didn't have the balls to run the ad in spite of the gazillions of dollars they receive from the meat industry. Granted, it takes real courage to do the right thing – the kind of courage described in detail by President John F. Kennedy in PROFILES IN COURAGE. All I can say is PETA made a GREAT TV AD and NBC made themselves into a GREAT EXAMPLE of a company with no integrity and an enormous amount of cowardice.


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Here is just an overview of some projects I'm working on. I have a fun and cheap budget build of a pump that I finished, I have an oldschool cocker I have pretty much rebuilt, and an MQ2 pump that I am building with some custom machining
Let me know what you guys think and thanks for watching
Some of my Custom Projects
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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:15 PM
Any feedback people?
Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:46 PM
I like the milling on that cocker body. Might reduce a little weight too.
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