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To review one more time, these are the characteristics that define "gambling":
And finally— 4. In all gambling, wealth is either lost or changes hands; no new wealth or other benefit is created. Gambling violates every biblical principle of economics. In an earlier post I cited Ephesians 4:28: "Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth." There's far more in that commandment than merely a prohibition against stealing. It also suggests that the proper way to earn wealth is by some form of work. It furthermore reminds us that a wonderful use of surplus wealth is charity towards the poor. Gambling subverts all those principles. Gambling is economic fraud. It produces nothing. It adds nothing to the larger economy. When you invest money in the stock market, that money goes to work in the economy. It is not like a gambling stake, which just sits there in the jackpot, waiting to be won by one of the players. Whatever taxes and commissions are skimmed from government-regulated lotteries and actually put back into the economy are more than offset by the losses of people who purchase tickets and do not win. Statistics show clearly that the most profoundly negative economic effects of gambling are felt in the sectors of society where the poverty level is already high. So gambling's worst impact hurts the very same segments of society where charity would have done the most good. The corollary of this is that the apparent prosperity of casinos in places like Las Vegas is gained at the direct expense of other communities, industries, and individuals. Gambling is always a zero-sum game. Gambling simply transfers money from the hands of many to the hands of the few through frivolous means fraught with questionable motives—just the opposite of all sound economic principles. The Bible does spell out some clear principles regarding economics and the exchange of money, goods, and services. Of course, property and possessions were normally passed on within one's own family (or to one's legal heirs) by inheritance. Beyond that, however, there are three legitimate means of exchanging wealth and transferring property to others. One is through labor, where money is earned by effort expended (Ephesians 4:28; 2 Thessalonians 3:11-12; Luke 10:7). Another is through commerce (including buying, selling, and otherwise investing—Matthew 25:14-29). The third is through giving—including gifts of charity (Luke 19:8; Ephesians 4:28). Gambling has none of the elements that make those enterprises good. It involves no work. It contributes nothing of value to the economy. And it is the moral antithesis of charity. Speaking of gambling's macro effects on the economy, much more could be said about the evil that surrounds the gambling industry. It breeds crime and corruption; it undermines character; it does not promote godliness; it violates private industry; it undermines the good of society; it exploits the poor; and it promotes false values. Furthermore, when government sanctions and even participates in sponsoring gambling, it departs from (and even works against) the God-ordained role of government, which is to seek the public welfare by punishing crime, keeping order, and defending against foreign attacks. State-sanctioned gambling makes the government the oppressor of the poor and the promoter of activities that spawn all kinds of corruption and evil. Again, every argument I have made suggests that gambling is wrong in principle. As Christians, we are commanded to be content with what we have, and to trust God as our Provider. We are forbidden to covet what belongs to our neighbor, and we are commanded to love that neighbor as ourselves. We are commanded to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. We are commanded to shun that which is evil—abstaining from every form of evil. That's why, although I have acknowledged that penny-ante games are often trivial (and by no means any major concern of mine), my counsel to believers who ask about the issue would be this: it's naive and potentially dangerous to toy with any kind of gambling as a form of "recreation." If gambling is indeed wrong in principle (as I believe the weight of all the biblical arguments demonstrates) then it is surely wise to avoid the practice no matter the amount or the frequency. In closing, let me say . . . Some readers asked me to address the question of whether raffles, door prizes, and carnival-style contests as fund-raising devices are morally equivalent to gambling. My short answer is that it depends on the circumstances. The definition of gambling I gave at the outset is my best answer to that. If the raffle prize is a donated item given to charity and not a "stake" paid for by entry fees, it wouldn't be gambling by most legal definitions. I'm not fond of such gimmicks for fund-raising anyway—especially for churches and Christian organizations. But I would not suggest that it's always a "sin" to participate in them, especially if the bulk of the funds collected really do go to some legitimate charity. Such cases, however, wouldn't fit likely my definition of gambling, so the point is really moot, I think. I'll leave the intricate dissection of countless hypothetical cases and counter-examples to people who love that sort of casuistry. Speaking of which, I've gotten some messages from a few people who have claimed my biblical arguments prove nothing about whether gambling per se is wrong, because (in the words of one correspondent): "You don't know people's hearts, so you can't prove that everyone who gambles is really coveting his neighbor's possessions." Well, it certainly seems obvious that the gambler is trying to win his neighbor's possessions, and I honestly can't think of many righteous motives for doing that. But the argument about reading another person's heart is true in exactly the same sense that I can't prove every man who fills his spare time looking at pornography on the internet is sinfully lusting. I still tell men they should not do that under any circumstances. In any case, the guy who gets caught doing it is probably going to have a hard sell convincing his own wife it was all so innocent. In a case like that, I'm happy to let the man answer to God and his own wife. Similarly, to those who are so keen to justify penny-ante and "recreational" gambling, I'm quite happy to leave the issue between you, your conscience, and the Lord, who judges righteously. Don't feel obliged to try to convince me that what you're doing isn't tainted with covetousness or presumption or any of the other bad motives I have associated with the act of gambling. To be perfectly clear: the evil motives are what I say is sin, not the gaming aspects of gambling. I'm not trying to establish a legalistic rule on issues where the Bible doesn't spell out a rule. I'm trying to give a little pastoral counsel and shed some biblical light on the complex of evils that surround gambling, so that you can give a fuller answer to the question of whether gambling is OK than the bare (and foolish) assertion that since there's no proof text that says gambling's "sin," Christians shouldn't say anything against it. On the contrary, it is a plague on our culture (and every culture where it has been legalized) and Christians should not be silent or neutral about it. Talk amongst yourselves.
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AMEN! Very clear, thorough and sound teaching; it is no small wonder you have been entrusted with God's precious Word; John MacArthur, as well. Rightly dividing the Word of truth takes skill, patience, long hours of study, and ultimately the humility to be guided by the Holy Spirit.
No wonder so many people come to this site for sound teaching and instruction. All the men here do a wonderful job in rightly dividing the Word of truth. It is a true encouragement to all of us who absolutely love and cherish God's Word.
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Thank you. This has been very helpful to me as a young christian on how to respond to others when asked about why I don't go to the boat or get in the pool for the Kentucky Derby.
As for my stock market based investments and IRA's, I am happy to keep them.
I very much appreciate the pastoral council on this subject.
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In the town I live in there used to be 2 locally-owned Christian bookstores. Then, a few years ago, a third national chain came in. Eventually, the two local stores closed. The third remains...
So, no new wealth was created. In fact, 2 businesses were destroyed. The owners of those stores were then stolen from, and the national chain Christian bookstore "committed a sin"...sound right Phil?
Great post!
"Gambling: The Moral Antithesis of Charity" Never thought of it this way
Okay, I have a question... I don't think it would count, because it doesn't exactly involve chance, but around where I live, Bass fishing tournaments are a big thing. Some of them work where people pay an entrance fee, say $50, and then when the tournament is over, the winner gets the majority of the fees paid. It doesn't seem like gambling, but could that be considered gambling?
I find it quite alarming how some people here are quick to condemn people for gambling, but point out rather quickly "I have no problem with the stock market" To me that would be just as addictive and risky and also it would not be trusting the Lord for their every need.(Philippians 4:19)I mean how can one justify playing the market? It is taking part of someones else's property and profiting by,selling,buying or trading what is not entirely theirs.(quite possibly to that person's or that companies detriment).The stock market has proven that also can lead one into coveting, murder, greed, stealing and immoral behavior. It has destroyed families, caused countless suicides and ruined people's life earnings and savings. Does Martha Stewart, Enron,The Stock Market crash of 1929, or Madoff sound familiar? But all this is overlooked because it would effect to many cushy, affluent Christians who have millions invested or it gives the Christian the potential to become affluent. Why do people play the market? To make money and to make more money. Same reason people gamble. To make money. Some sins that are clearly labled sin in the Bible, others are overlooked because it corresponds to them and their way of life and has been labeled tolerables sins. A sin, any sin deserves the lake of fire. Not just what pious Christians deem abominable to the Lord. i.e., gluttony,gossip,drinking and so on. You can't ignore the people's comparisons of other topics like the stock market to gambling because many have given biblical support for their comparisons and have used those to defend their viewpoint on this subject.
"although I have acknowledged that penny-ante games are often trivial (and by no means any major concern of mine), my counsel to believers who ask about the issue would be this: it's naive and potentially dangerous to toy with any kind of gambling as a form of "recreation." If gambling is indeed wrong in principle (as I believe the weight of all the biblical arguments demonstrates) then it is surely wise to avoid the practice no matter the amount or the frequency."
"To be perfectly clear: the evil motives are what I say is sin, not the gaming aspects of gambling. I'm not trying to establish a legalistic rule on issues where the Bible doesn't spell out a rule. I'm trying to give a little pastoral counsel and shed some biblical light on the complex of evils that surround gambling, so that you can give a fuller answer to the question of whether gambling is OK than the bare (and foolish) assertion that since there's no proof text that says gambling's "sin," Christians shouldn't say anything against it.
On the contrary, it is a plague on our culture (and every culture where it has been legalized) and Christians should not be silent or neutral about it."
If this were an in-person address, I'd give you a standing O.
While there may be many philosophical struggles going on with many of the readers here, including me, this has been an immensely insightful and educational series. Some of what you said, I'd split some hairs with you, and I'm not entirely convinced of some of your logic or definitions, but over all ... good stuff.
Thank you for doing it.
@#1 Mary, You wrote what was on my mind, and well said. Thank you!
@#4 Mark S. I think Phil answered you already:
"I'll leave the intricate dissection of countless hypothetical cases and counter-examples to people who love that sort of casuistry."
And to Mr. Johnson: thank you sir for your time in serving the sheep of His pasture, we'd all end up in a ditch without good shepherds. I respect and love my Pastor, and yet I am also grateful for this resource as well. Insightful teaching. God Bless you all. TC
That's a very short sighted view. Did the national chain provide more jobs then the other 2 businesses combined? Did the national chain provide cheaper books? Did the national chain supply a wider selection? If any of these 3 questions are answered yes then there could be a case that yes more wealth was created.
There is a difference between 'playing the market' and simply investing in companies. I do not say this as a shot against you or your intelligence, but its a typical answer for those who do not fully understand the stock market. Yes it can be abused but at its basic level it is buying ownership of a company. If your logic is true then no christian can own any business of any kind.
Phil has already addressed this but I will say it for him again. Gambling is risky but Risk is not Gambling. Everything you do is risky. Ever drove a car? Flew a plane? Bought a house?
When I buy stock in a company, I am purchasing ownership. My money is used by the company to do many things. They may pay off some of their debt to increase profitability (which creates jobs and wealth). They may build a new factory or store (which creates jobs and wealth). That is basically what buying stock in a company is. NOW OF COURSE PEOPLE ABUSE IT. Yes people play the market trying to get rich overnight. But we aren't necessarily talking about abuses, we are talking about if this is wrong or evil in and of its self. If I can't buy ownership in a company, then no christian may own a business.
And is there something wrong with making money? There is nothing wrong with being wealthy. In fact, many righteous people in the Bible were amazingly wealthy (Abraham, Job, David). We actually should strive to build wealth because you can't reach the poor without it. In fact, wouldn't you know that the wealthiest countries in the world have the least amount of poor people (materially, not necessarily spiritually).
Phil has said this many times already but its the point that many seem to keep missing. Gambling collects money from a bunch of people and transfers it to the winner. No wealth is created in the act of gambling. Investment in stock, however, takes money from one, gives it to a company, the company uses the money to grow itself which creates jobs and wealth, and then improves the value of the stock. Every person involved (when the company is successful) gains! That's the point! Gambling transfers wealth from all to one. Stock investment provides benefits for all!
I know there are millions of hypothetical situations that people will use to disprove me but I cannot begin to answer them all in this post. I hope you can see the difference between gambling and stock market. Yes the stock market can be abused, but abuse does not make something bad in and of itself.
Once again, gambling is not desireable conduct. Perhaps it can be sinful. But one thing that it SIMPLY IS NOT is theft...despite the claims of Phil Johnson.
His claim #2 is that in gambling "something belonging to someone else is staked as a prize". I truly don't see how Phil can make this claim with a straight face! Did someone come and rip a $1 bill out of my pocket and purchase a lottery ticket with it? Was a gambler tied and thrown in a car and driven to a casino and forced to place bets? Do not all gambling "games" require some form of ante??? Once the wager is placed all claim to the ante is removed! The person can not get the money back...Therefore, this claim about gambling is simply silly.
I really wonder why Phil is making the claim, and going to extreme lengths, to claim gambling is theft...What is his motivation? A gambler can certainly be driven by greed and lust. If that is the case than gambling is sin. Why all of these mechinations to claim it is theft? Can someone explain that????? Perhaps I missed something in the earlier blogs that spelled out why gambling is theft.
I am totally incredulous. This topic has been going for a few weeks and this point has never been fully addressed, much to the thread's shame.
I submit this with much trepidation. I respect gty, John MacArthur, Phil Johnson,and all you readers.
In the thread "Does 'Mutual Consent' Eliminate the Evil in Gambling?" Phil Johnson stated
"Gambling is stealing by mutual consent. But it is still stealing. It is the taking of that which belongs to your neighbor and to which you have no right. It is not like a gift, which is given willingly and gratuitously. It is a loss he sustains to his hurt, even though he gives his consent to the contest before the die is cast. Gambling is therefore morally tantamount to stealing. As such, it is a violation of every biblical principle regarding the gaining and sharing of our possessions."
In the rest of the blog Phil goes on to argue against gambling in principle. OK. The problem is his argument assumes I accept gambling is stealing because he provides a definition that gambling is winning what others loose. While it is true that the "stake", which he defines, is the money all gamblers entered, it is NOT true that the gambler has a claim to the money AFTER he/she enters the "game". Only the winner has a claim to the stake. Hence, gambling is not theft ( I assume the "games" are legal here and are not rigged when I say there is no theft). In my opinion Phil, who usually argues cogently, simply doesn't make the case very well .
If I were to enter a wager, say buy a state lottery ticket, I am surrendering the cost of the ticket for a chance to win the prize. I assume Phil's complaint is IF I lose, which is a distinct possibility, I have gained nothing for my money but pain. The winner gains all of these wagers (minus taxes and overhead), which is the sum of everyone else's pain. In a purchase of normal goods, or even a raffle for charity and the like, I receive something positive like the knowledge of supporting a good cause or the goods I purchased. But, Phil forgets to realize a gambler got recreation out of the purchase…they received a "thrill" for the cost of the ante. That is what most gamblers are truly buying. The fun of it. (Now, you may disagree to it being fun, that is not the point. To the gambler it is.) Is this any different than a movie ticket? I purchase the recreation value. Maybe I enjoy the movie, maybe I don't. Some people think paying $10 for a movie ticket (probably more in CA) is robbery:-)
This is the best I can think of to support Phil's "theft" position. Someone who has a clearer head than I can fill me in on why gambling is theft.
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To clarify, I am NOT justifying gambling. I think it usually is sin. I simply think the cause of it being sin is greed and lust.
I fear the true problem Phil has is the "chance" nature of it. Dice rolling, or card order, etc, is "putting God to the test" since God controls the outcomes. But what about playing a game like Monopoly or any other board game? Are you "using God" to have fun…We can really take this to some really weird places if we want to…I mean if throwing dice is inherently tempting the Lord (Matthew 4:7 and Deut 6:16), which Phil seems to argue in the previous blog on not tempting the Lord, then isn't ANY dice throwing a sin? I am not being sarcastic or facetious here. I think Phil is really tip-toeing near a serious minefield here.
Dan (#14)
So, God told Phil that gambling is theft? I thought didn't speak anymore today? The canon is fulfilled.
I have spent quite a bit of time today looking over the gty website reading all I can on gambling. John MacArthur did a two-part sermon series on "Gambling: The Seductive Fantasy". It is pretty good as is usual for John. In the second sermon in that series he mentions gambling is theft, but he doesn't develop WHY it is theft. John asserts it. Perhaps this is where Phil Johnson got his list of problems with gambling. Later, an article was posted called "Five Reasons Gambling is Wrong". It states the 5 reasons as:
1.Because it denies the reality of God's sovereignty (by affirming the existence of luck or chance)
2.Because it is built on irresponsible stewardship (tempting people to throw away their money)
3.Because it erodes a biblical work ethic (by demeaning and displacing hard work as the proper means for one's livelihood)
4.Because it is driven by the sin of covetousness (tempting people to give in to their greed)
5.Because it is built on the exploitation of others (often taking advantage of poor people who think they can gain instant wealth)
These 5 I can agree with, basically. (I do have small problems with #1-do modern gamblers worship "luck" or "chance"? Does John deny the idea of probability? It is a useful tool. But that leads in a different direction that I don't want to go in now.) I note that John changed number 5 from his sermon series to this article. It was gambling is theft. In this list it is gambling is exploitation of the poor. I can agree with that, especially the formal, organized gambling (lottery, casinos, etc).
Still, most of these 5 don't really apply to so-called penny-ante games, which Phil Johnson focuses on. A few guys meeting every now and then to play penny poker are not being covetous by a rational definition. I suspect the enticement here is fellowship and the thrill of VICTORY more than the money. Once again a few pennies doesn't harm stewardship much. If you argue it does, what about that "unnecessary" $1.50 bottle of water you bought, or the Snickers bar???? A small stakes poker game doesn't destroy the work ethic (unless it leads to more gambling...). Exploitation?? Of friends that came to a game? So, once again, the only claim on sin for a small-stakes game is "theft". But that needs a more solid foundation than a mere assertion.
#15 Mark
Yes Gods words is authoritative. But as Jesus showed with his lust/adultery lesson, we are dealing with more than just the letter that kills, but heart and motives.
What about "take every thought captive under obedience to Christ?"
Is this only for more mature Christians? Do we not have the Spirit living in us, to let us know the Truth?
#11 #12 #13 #15 #17 Mark A Smith
Mark if you didn't come in here guns blazing and actually thoroughly read what Phil has written, you might find that you agree on most of what has been said. If I may quote Phil in this article.
"That's why, although I have acknowledged that penny-ante games are often trivial (and by no means any major concern of mine), my counsel to believers who ask about the issue would be this: it's naive and potentially dangerous to toy with any kind of gambling as a form of "recreation." If gambling is indeed wrong in principle (as I believe the weight of all the biblical arguments demonstrates) then it is surely wise to avoid the practice no matter the amount or the frequency."
You say Phil focuses on penny-ante games but he is concerned about the principles of gambling, not every hypothetical situation. Here Phil says that penny-ante games are not a major concern of his. I beg you to read things thoroughly before you whip out the machine guns.
What I have seen most from these gambling posts is that Phil is laying out what gambling is in principle. He is not fighting every single possible situation that might be considered gambling.
Also, if you read what Phil has written, he doesn't say 'Gambling is a sin, Thus Saith the Lord'. He says things like 'in principle' or 'it would be wise'.
I would just like to add an argument from experience. Not that experience determines truth or that my experience applies to everyone, but i find it to be very revealing. I work with 150 other people at my job. Almost every single one of them is in some sort of lottery pool. They pitch in 5 bucks and one guy buys all the tickets. They don't do it for entertainment. They do it to win so that they can retire from their 'crappy' job. This is just one instance out of a million different types of gambling so I do not impose it on everyone or everything. The point is that they don't do it for entertainment. They do it so they can win, get rich overnight, and quit their job.
My final thought, Mark, is just that you don't come in guns blazing. Be gracious and patient. The point of these threads is not to be legalistic but to invite discussion about an issue like gambling which isn't 100% clear in scripture.
Great comment, Aaron. Gunsmoke impairs vision.
Thanks for posting this series on gambling. I've never been a gambler, but I play in a friendly fantasy football league with friends. There's a relatively small amount of money at stake. I've never been that concerned about winning the money. I just enjoy the "competition" and it gives me more to watch when my team isn't playing. I've never considered it a spiritual issue, but after reading your arguments, I don't know if I want to continue in it.
I have taken a good look at al these post and I think it has, in most part been a insightful discussion, I stopped from joining in because I DIDNT WANT TO sound like I was against Phil, BECAUSE being he is a pastor, elder and I will not go against his counseling on this subject, I served as a elder, decon for many years and I have seen these leaders come under the most harsh attacks by thoes that they are sent to protect, with a spiritual covering. I have seen them break down and cry over false accusations, that dont just affect them , but also their families...being a Pastor can be down right brutal and one of the most unthankful jobs there is. It has been said that the 3 most unthankful jobs in the USA is a PASTOR just right under the Presidency of the United States. Now Jesus said folling him will NOT be like living on easy street if called up-on, many times when we take our Lords place inlife we will be miss treated just like he was. Ya see in the Bible, it says that Jesus ate and drank with the tax collectors and sinners. This outraged many people of his day. The Pharisees called him a drunk, and were angry with who he associated with. I think often we see this as a relief, that Jesus was very gracious and inclusive to people of all backgrounds and ways of living. We see him with the prostitute and alcoholics of the day and you might as well add GAMBLERS there. Perhaps these people just made some bad decisions in life, or perhaps they are really just victims of the system. However, the Bible also said that he ate with tax collectors....No matter how much people may hate the IRS, it doesn't fit into the same category of the tax collectors of that day. The Jewish tax collectors were traitors who worked for the Romans to help oppress the conquered people of the Empire. In fact, they didn't just collect taxes for Rome they collected much more than what was required so that they personally could live in luxury. So, they were not only traitors they were thieves; the worse kind of thieves- the rich stealing from the poor. So now can we see what STEALING is all about this is where I dissagree with Phil, Stealing is taking against ones will, or NOT knowing that you did it, lieing,or by deceteful means...AND WHEN 2 OR more AGREE to place their money in a Neutra POT to be given over to the winner...IT IS NOT STEALING every court of law in the land will back you up on that. it is no different thaN if one of thoes same people had a couch of value, many Are not but that is another story all together, that he or she placed in their drive way and said "FREE TAKE" you drive by and notice it has some value you can use it in your extra room where the kids or grandkids can come over and romp on it and it fits in to your decore, so you TAKE IT....same thing. this is the main point I dissagree with Phil, but its a dissagreement no more!!..more I am out of space...
Part 2...
I think All Christians need to realize that when disagreements occur, we do not "make points" with God simply by "proving the other person wrong...Phil is just doing his job as a leader over the saints. and if I got into a heated discussion in here with Phil of for anyone to in that mater, about GAMBLING I or we would be goin against the very one who God has sent to watch over our souls and to me that would be a sin, I think Phil is a big boy enough to take thoes who dissagree with his points, but would be hurt if I or anyone
else were trying to make him look foolish to make a point in our favor...which would not make him look foolish at all and the fool would be the one looking back at us in the mirror.
I have whitness to a few in the Casinos in Vegas and when they take note of what you are saying it is genuine, for they wonder if you are a Christian, why are you Gambling I TELL THEM you can Gamble without being sinfull in a way that gets their attention, you see when Jesus said "I WILL MAKE YOU FISHERS OF MEN"...you have to go to where the fish are, now.. NO.. I am not going to Vegas to whitness as my #1 consern but when you do place the name of Jesus on ones heart there they feel less intimated, and feel more free to talk one on one with you because you are on their turff so to speak Just like in our LORDS day Yet there he was Going into the worse neighborhoods and eating with the social outcasts. Teaching in fields and hillsides. To the religious leaders of the day, Jesus looked like a freak. He didn't want the same things they did. He wasn't concerned with the same things they were. He wasn't trying to make some show for the people, disfiguring his face and whaling on the street corner. He wasn't there making sure he got his portion of the temple tax or offering.
Jesus wasn't concerned with any of those things. His only concern was to be there for anyone who would welcome Him. Even in times of pure physical exhaustion, when he wanted to rest, he would look out and see the crowds and he would teach, He would comfort, and He would love.
Today, we are the face of Jesus. We are the ones now called to eat and drink with prostitutes, tax collectors and "sinners". We are the ones Jesus has sent to tell the good news. We are the ones who need to be moved with compassion to teach, to comfort, to love. We are also the ones who must serve without judgment, without prejudice and without expectation that people will change to be like us but will be changed as God desires....and yes you can do this in Vegas...there are over 500 different places of worship in Vegas, 95% are "CHRISTIAN" in content but we can choose to be thoes who cast stones, or choose to be thoes that cast love and many of these Churches see that Vegas is going through a very tough time of people out of work, and are doing everything they can to make life less harsh, putting their human prejudice aside.
Hello Aaron, Dan and Tommy.
First, guns weren't blazin' as you say. I have been reading the 9 blogs posted on gambling as each came out. I am a professor teaching a college class this summer, so I couldn't respond much earlier. I did Friday and Saturday.
Second, I have been responding selectively on this blog since it started...I am not a newbie.
Third, my point is to say Phil is completely wrong about ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY with respect to gambling...the claim that it is theft. Maybe to you that is trivial, but to me it is critical to be accurate. ALL OF MY POSTS FOCUS ON THAT.
Fourth, none of the 3 posts that address mine SAY ANYTHING about my claim about gambling = theft...Any response????????
In "Does 'Mutual Consent' Eliminate the Evil in Gambling", Phil stated:
"Gambling is stealing by mutual consent. But it is still stealing. It is the taking of that which belongs to your neighbor and to which you have no right. It is not like a gift, which is given willingly and gratuitously. It is a loss he sustains to his hurt, even though he gives his consent to the contest before the die is cast."
I think the key there is "it is a loss he sustains to his hurt". What about the many people who have gambling addictions, of which there are many? You can not say that these people are giving up their money with a clear mind, even though it is not theft in the legal sense And what about casinos? They're taking money while providing little more than the opportunity to gamble. And the government on top of that is taking taxes, not on money earned or spent, but on money risked.
And you are right, the gambler does not have a stake to the money once he has put it in the pot. If he did, it wouldn't be theft. Also, it is not like purchasing a movie ticket. The movie theater provides a venue and shows the movie. The movie theater also has to pay for the rights to show the film, so you are also paying the people who made the movie. There is a service and product being provided. You might have an argument if only half the people who purchased tickets got to actually see the movie. The fact that you may not like it does not make it gambling.
I do not want to come across disrespectful. I do think, however, that you're being antagonistic without providing very much reason for why you believe gambling is not theft. I don't want to speak for John's (did you mean Phil's?) idea of probability, but Proverbs 16:33 says: "The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD."
Darrel and Mark, I don't know if you are acting by reaction or conviction.
I have no problem with Phil calling it theft. It is.
Yes you can strive about words, but then I could point to how God use likewise words.
Please look at Isaiah 10:2 and Mark 12:40, about robbing and devour widows' houses. Would you strive about the use of those words too? Or the serious lesson they are teaching us?
Darrel (#24,25)-
I appreciate your concern about appearing to oppose Phil. I agree. That has made my comments difficult. I made them as extensive as I could because I felt like I needed to justify opposing a ministry leader.
I agree gambling CAN BE theft, especially the organized variety, but I don't think it BY DEFINITION is. Gambling is made to appear attractive. That is advertising. If that is theft, then lots of things are....
I realize opposing Phil (and apparently John's views) is not really welcomed here. So I will drop it.
Hello Phil,
Thank you very much. I can tell you have listened and considered the opposing points brought against some of your statements. I would like to thank you for being very clear in your last paragraph. And although I would probably split hairs with you on some other statements made in your article, I appreciate the points you made in the last paragraph. I appreciate and thank you for your pastoral counsel and for shedding some biblical light on the matter of gambling. I have taken to heart many of your points and will remember the wisdom in what you have said. I agree with you that the gaming aspect of gambling is not sin. I believe you might not have met so much opposition if you had began your first blog with the last paragraph of your last blog. Nevertheless, I am grateful for your insight into the motives of the heart.
Take care of yourself Phil. It has been nice conversing with you. I don't know if we will ever meet on this side of glory, but if not, then I'll see you on the other side. :)
Here is my problem with your arguments Phil.
You clearly state all gambling is wrong and then have gone on to argue that gambling always includes certain elements to prove your point. Yet at the end you back off and state:
"Similarly, to those who are so keen to justify penny-ante and "recreational" gambling, I'm quite happy to leave the issue between you, your conscience, and the Lord, who judges righteously. Don't feel obliged to try to convince me that what you're doing isn't tainted with covetousness or presumption or any of the other bad motives I have associated with the act of gambling."
I hope you realize that some feel compelled to defend themselves when you tell them what they are doing (e.g.penny ante poker) is always sin. I also don't understand how after arguing that it is sin you so easily dismiss it as unimportant as long as it is on a small level. That does not seem consistent.
The rationale of your argument (gambling always has these elements present thus it is wrong) will lead those who disagree to prove one exception becuase it makes the argument fall. Most here are not picking at your argument in order to make all gambling acceptable, rather to show that you are creating an absolute when you shouldn't.
You also continued to say:
"To be perfectly clear: the evil motives are what I say is sin, not the gaming aspects of gambling. I'm not trying to establish a legalistic rule on issues where the Bible doesn't spell out a rule."
I would argue that is exactly what you did. By arguing that certain elements are always present in gambling you have deemed all gambling as sinful and have thereby established a rule. Thus the small penny ante poker player or someone who bets $10 at a horse track with only entertainment in mind is going to object when they feel their behavior is not sinful and you have said it was by your definitions.
Your argument would be stronger if instead of stating that all gambling is wrong you argued that all behavior motivated by greed or covetousness is wrong. This would include most gambling, get-rich quick schemes, highly speculative penny stock or option investing, buying a car you cannot afford to impress others, etc. Presenting the biblical principle and then applying it would mean that the individual would have to look at their motives instead of a hard and fast rule that all gambling is wrong; however, I believe it would line up with Scripture better than your argument did.
I don't say this just to argue. I say this as an elder in a church. I could not tell someone that penny ante poker or betting a couple of dollars at a race track is always wrong but I can say to them to examine their heart and see if they are acting out of greed, which is always wrong.
#36 Tim
You make it sound as sin is a minor issue, and that Phil (and John MacArther for that sake) have not presented some very strong arguments from the Bible.
There is a real problem with freedom - some can't handle it, but misuse the grace of God. Yes we are free - free to love God and each other.
Please look at Ephesians, where this is explained by Paul as a walk by love. But please notice the warnings also!!!
Ephesians 5:1-21
Walk in Love
Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,
"Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you."
Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.
I apologize if you got from my post that I think sin is a minor issue.
On the contrary Rudy. I felt that is what Phil did in this post. He laid out an argument that all gambling was wrong and then said small amounts are just between you, your conscience and the Lord. If it is wrong then it is wrong. I read that as him backtracking.
The reason for the backtracking is that the argument was poorly constructed. In his post is Gambling Okay - Don't Bet on It, Phil said:
"...I pointed out that if there is an immoral principle that underlies all gambling—if gambling per se violates any clear principle of Scripture—then it is wrong on any grounds. To say that you gamble only for entertainment is not really a good defense against the argument that gambling is rooted in greed and covetousness...
My point was this: if it's wrong to gamble on matters of biblical principle, then it is wrong to gamble in any circumstance, and it is wrong to gamble in any amount. If there are principles that make gambling a sinful activity, then it is wrong to gamble for "entertainment," and it is wrong whether you are gambling 50 cents or gambling your whole paycheck."
Those are Phil's words. I will try it to say it in a different way. Phil's argument is
a)all gambling involves covetousness
b)covetousness is a sin
Therefore c) all gambling is sinful.
When an argument is constructed this way all that it takes for it to fall apart is one example where statement a) is not true. I think there are some. That is not nit-pciking it is pointing out a flawed (or fallacious) argument. Phil's argument is right nearly all the time, but not all the time.
What is the better argument is that covetousness is a sin and all actions motivated by it are sinful. When you look at gambling most of what takes place is motivated by lust for quick money and is thus sinful. Obviously other principles such as not violating your conscience and maintaining proper stewardship of what God has entrusted to us, to just name a few,factor in as well.
I can particpate in penny-ante poker, a poker tournament, a workplace Super Bowl squares game, fantasy league football, or bet a few dollars at a horse track on a Saturday afternoon and not be sinning. It doesn't mean that all gambling is okay. Nor that everyone can do as I.
#38 Tim
I can't see WHY putting money on risk in gambling in any way is Godhonoring. WHY do people gamble? Ever seen a Jesusloving looser? Praising your Lord when you take his money?
That answers the questions for me.
Sorry I delete my comments. I just gave up trying.
Me too, Rudi, I agree with that.
I don't think Jesus would be all happy about if I do vending machines in a way that cheats my dad and steal few bucks for myself. Just a honest thought. hmm.
Good post???
Through this entire gambling discussion, I have seen a lot of passionate (or at least that's how they come across in text) comments that tend to fall back on the 'stealing' aspect of gambling. My observation, and sorry for not citing posts, is that many of the argument has been in areas where cultural uses of the word "steal" or "theft" is used, not an actual clear cut definition.
CS Lewis makes a great argument for how a word can become useless when the definition becomes vague. He used the word "gentleman" going from a label for the noble class to being associated with values and principles the ideal nobleman should possess (values and principles no one can agree on). The definition becomes vague and abstract; the word becomes less usefull as an accurate description.
I think we have done the same thing here with stealing, including the definition that Phil gave. When we use vague words or apply more abstract meanings and ideas to them, we leave too much for interpretation and quickly side into the "quarrelsome arguments' the bible warns us to avoid.
That's my 50 cents worth anyway. I've greatly enjoyed all the insight and perspectives put forth here, even the ones I disagree with. And I look forward to seeing future comments on blogs from the regulars here.
#41 Marc Lambert
how a word can become useless when the definition becomes vague
Yes Marc, once the word "Christian" meant like Christ.
Now it can mean anything, it seems.
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Sixteen-member U.S. National Team decided at 2013 USAT National Team Trials
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo., Jan. 13, 2013 – Sixteen athletes earned spots on the 2013 USAT National Team after winning their respective weight classes at the 2013 USAT National Team Trials Jan. 12-13 at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, Colo.
The 2013 USA Taekwondo National Team members are: fin weights Gregory English (Chicago, Ill.) and Giuliana Gil (Camarillo, Calif.); fly weights Charlotte Craig (Murrieta, Calif.) and James Howe III (San Ramon, Calif.); bantam weights Olie Burton (Accokeek, Md.) and Cheyenne Lewis (Elk Grove, Calif.); feather weights Terrence Jennings (Alexandria, Va.) and Nicole Palma (Lake Worth, Fla.); light weights Diana Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) and Mark Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas); welter weights Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) and Paige McPherson (Sturgis, S.D.); middle weights Lauren Hamon (Jacksonville, Fla.) and Jason Neville (Edmond, Okla.); and heavy weights La Shondra Rawls (Clinton, Md.) and Abel Valdivia (Miami, Fla.).
Six Olympians headlined the competition field, including 2012 Olympic bronze medalists Jennings and McPherson. Four-time Olympian and three-time Olympic medalist, Steven Lopez earned his 20th consecutive Senior National Team. He was once again joined on the National Team by younger siblings, 2008 bronze medalist Diana Lopez, and 2008 Olympic silver medalist Mark Lopez. Craig earned her fifth National Team spot, which includes the 2008 Olympic Team.
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Quick and Easy Pickles
- 3 1/2 ounces sea salt (about 1/3 cup plus 1 tablespoon)
- 1/2 cup apple cider vinegar
- 8 cups bottled water
- 1 1/2 pounds kirby cucumbers, thoroughly washed and dried
- Few sprigs fresh dill, washed and dried
DirectionsWatch how to make this recipe.
Pickling vegetables refers to the simple process of submerging them in a salt and water solution (brine) or an acidic ingredient like vinegar. In very simple terms, the good bacteria that exists naturally on vegetables consumes the starches/sugars in the vegetable and secretes acids (namely lactic acid) that prevent spoilage. More importantly, the process adds flavor to vegetables, gives them brightness and acidity and, in some cases, increases their vitamin content! At the restaurant, after making these pickles, we cut them into spears; batter dip and deep fry them and serve them with spicy mayonnaise. Indulgent and delicious!
Mix the sea salt, apple cider vinegar, and water and bring to a boil. Simmer for 5 minutes. Remove the brine from the heat and allow it to cool slightly. Arrange the cucumbers upright in a container large enough to hold the brine. Place the dill sprigs in amongst the cucumbers in the jars. The cucumbers should be fitted tightly and should come within 1/2-inch of the top of the container.
Fill the container with the brine to the top and tap on a flat surface to remove any possible air bubbles.
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To the USA Team Handball Community:
As the competition in Reno quickly approaches, I am writing to provide an update on developments within USA Team Handball in several areas:
Board Chair: As of early April, Jeff Utz has resigned from the Board of Directors and will no longer serve as chair/president of USA Team Handball. I personally want to thank Jeff for his tireless and selfless efforts to promote and develop the sport of team handball. Jeff should be recognized as a passionate and dedicated leader in difficult times. In the interim, Vice President David Thompson will act as chair until the vacant board positions are filled and a new chair elected.
The Board of Directors for USATH has been composed of nine directors under the bylaws that had been in effect since 2008. The Board approved new bylaws on April 4, 2013. The new bylaws will be posted on the website this week. The process to fill several vacant board seats has begun under the guidance of the newly approved Nomination and Governance Committee, which the Board approved in early April. The members of the Nomination and Governance Committee are Tom Fitzgerald, Chair; Dennis Berkholtz; Bob Djokovich; Michael Lenard; and Cindy Stinger.
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Town Hall Meeting: On Saturday evening, May 18, 2013, there will be a town hall meeting for USATH members to ask questions and discuss the direction of USATH. The subject of the membership based board positions will be discussed, as well as the financial position of the federation, among other topics. The meeting will be held after the games for the day have ended, in one of the meeting rooms at the Grand Sierra.
National Team Tryouts: We continue to pursue the goal of improving the level of athleticism of our national teams through regular athlete identification events. Each of the monthly tryouts we have conducted this year has produced a modest turnout, with the average of approximately 10 individuals participating. We will be conducting another tryout in Colorado Springs in June, under the supervision of Coach Javier Garcia Cuesta.
College Nationals: Thanks to the efforts of the UNC Team Handball Club, College Nationals was a success this year in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Congratulations to West Point Black men's and women's teams for winning the gold medal. We hope that next year's competition will bring an increased number of participants, especially on the women's side.
Nationals in Reno: Registration has closed for the event and the competition schedule will be released soon. I am committed to hearing your feedback on this event in order to improve in the future.
Beach Handball: Under the leadership of Dede Piankova, Beach Handball Committee Chairperson, there will be a beach handball clinic in Reno subsequent to Nationals. The clinic will be conducted by international beach handball experts and is a great opportunity for those interested in pursuing the areas of coaching and officiating beach handball.
International Competition: Our Junior Men's team is currently in Guatemala for the IHF Trophy Cup under the leadership of coaches Julio Sainz and Mika Maunula. We were invited to participate on short notice and had no funds in the budget for this competition, so it is being funded primarily by the International Handball Federation with the players paying a fee for the cost of the short training camp.
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Wednesday, November 11, 2009
FOTD - Fall Look with Smokey Eyes and Plum Lips
I wanted to share with you a quick look I did before heading out to a gig Friday night. It started out as a drugstore smokey eye tutorial, but my camera ended up dying on me, lol. After that, I ended up modifying it a bit with some department store brands.
As you can see, it's a smokey eye with a bold lip...very fall appropriate. I don't usually do these kind of lips, but I like how they turned out. I'm loving Magnetique lipglass all over again, it's so pigmented! I took these pictures in the hallway on my way to a gig, lol, I'm surprised they came out! You can see the strap on my arm from where I'm carrying my portable makeup chair.
Here's What I Used:
-PUR Minerals eyeshadow primer (not sure if this works well for oily skin, but it worked well on me)
-Maybelline Expert Wear Eyeshadow Quad in Natural Smokes ($4.99 on http://www.drugsture.com/!)
-MAC Young Punk minearlized eyeshadow (to darken it up a bit and add some glitter)
-NYX jumbo pencil in black bean (black base and liner)
-Anastasia Lifting Mascara (really love this mascara)
-Rimmel brow pencil in hazel (staple in my kit)
-Ardell Demi Wispies Lashes (love!)
-Jordana Liquid Eyeliner (pretty decent in terms of color and precise application...staying power isn't the best though)
-Revlon Colorstay Foundation
-Revlon Beyond Natural Concealer and Highlighter in Medium
-MAC MSF Natural in Medium Dark (to correct the beigeness of the foundie)
-forgot the blush, sorry!
-MAC Magnetique lipglass
-Ben Nye wine colored lip liner
Atlanta Makeup Artist
12 comments:
- beautylogicblog said...
very pretty mama
- November 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM
- ♥nat said...
absolutely gorgeous :)
as usual!
- November 11, 2009 at 11:22 AM
- mina said...
I love that lipglass on you!
- November 11, 2009 at 11:25 AM
- Princesa Livia said...
I love it. You look so sultry! Gorgeous xx
- November 11, 2009 at 11:26 AM
- Ernest said...
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- November 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM
- May said...
u never dissapoint me!
- November 11, 2009 at 1:33 PM
- GiGi said...
So beautiful. I still go back & watch your videos when you first started. You inspire!
- November 11, 2009 at 1:38 PM
- Linda said...
Love the look! I will def try it. I have that lipglass. I love it too! Great work Ren!
- November 12, 2009 at 8:37 AM
- jojoba (My Makeup Reviews) said...
beautiful smoky eyes with lush lashes! i gotta try some false lashes myself one of these days. no guts to do that just yet.
- November 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM
- Mayra said...
Hi Ren,
I was researching make up for Halloween to do a devil look. I came accross your blog and I fell in love with it. I looked at your previous posts and I loved them all. You are really creative and I also love make-up. I just had to join. I went out and bought a pallete of eye shadows because you inspired me to start being creative with my make-up again!!! thanks!
- November 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM
- LeeAnn said...
ooooh! Pretty! Your skin looks so glowy! I love it!
- November 14, 2009 at 6:21 PM
- laurendizzle said...
im loving this look could u provide dupes from cc shimmer palette or... mac dupes =]
im really loving this look...
perfect for fall
super dramatic
- December 14, 2009 at 10:52 PM


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- wonkiness makes things interesting
- choose pieces of fabric in various lengths and widths and shapes
- don't be afraid to trim pieces first and just go with it
- add some neutrals
- sew with a 1/4" seam
- choose one piece and jump in- get started
- press seams to the side after each addition
- trim your blocks at an angle before you add more pieces
- sew together smaller pieces to make longer and larger pieces to add visual interest
- step back and take a look at your pieces to see what color or fabric you need at add next
- add pieces at an angle
Thursday, November 17, 2011
Guest BLOCKER today is Jennifer with Improv Piecing
28 comments:
Thanks so much Jennifer for sharing this block! This is definitely a great way to use up scraps if you have them! Definitely a block worth saving all size scraps! :)ReplyDelete
Thanks for sharing this block, I'm pinteresting this! Hope you do not mind. ;)
My kind of block - thanks for sharing Jennifer :)ReplyDelete
This looks like a fun block as well as some of the other block tutorials you have ,I'll be checking them out. ThanksReplyDelete
Yes......what a nice way to use up all your scraps!ReplyDelete
Thank you for sharing.
Gun, Sweden
Hi Jennifer thanks for the wonderful tutorial on this block...I am a crazquilter and will be giving this one a try, it would be perfect for that. I am a member of your blog already and it is awesome....thanks so muchReplyDelete
Jennifer, all the designs look like so much fun! And the Christmas Tree block is perfect for a quick gift. Thanks for sharing!ReplyDelete
Great improv tute- thankyou JenniferReplyDelete
I love foundation piecing. Some greta blocks to play with. Thank you for sharing such a wonderful post.ReplyDelete
- Mary EllenNovember 17, 2011 at 6:38 AM
Colorful this is. Thank you Jennifer, I do follow you and I have to say you are amazing. This is easy and bright. ps of course I follow you too MSamm always have. Great start to my day!ReplyDelete
Jenifer, I love, love, love your bright blocks. Thanks for the inspiration.ReplyDelete
I love string quilts as I call them, but haven't made one with your bright colors - how perfect that one would be for one of my grandchildren who thinks the brighter the better. :) blessings, marleneReplyDelete
Beautiful Jennifer, this is just my style, thank you.ReplyDelete
I've always wanted to do "improv" piecing... I think I'll have to give this a try!ReplyDelete
Great post! Love your whimsical use of bright solids.ReplyDelete
Cute free form block! Love it!ReplyDelete
I follow Jennifer at Ellison Lane...love her tutorials! I just put that Christmas tree block on my list! :)ReplyDelete
Oh Jenn. That was really awesome. My favorite part is the black in with the solids!!ReplyDelete
Great tutorial and something I have struggled with.
Love this technique for getting rid of scraps. Especially love the tree and star blocks.ReplyDelete
Love this improv tutorial, thank you for sharing it. I need get out of my comfort zone and try this.ReplyDelete
All of these blocks are wonderful!! I love the Christmas tree and the star, too!!! Thanks for sharing the tutorials with us!! :)ReplyDelete
Thank you so much for this wonderful post. I love all of the blocks and I was staring, yup, just standing there staring at my small pieces scrap basket yesterday thinking "I need to use these, there are some nice pieces in here". Your 'Improv block' is perfect for using some of them up. BUT, I have to tell you that your Starflower block is calling my name (loudly) and the Christmas Tree block as well. I hopped over to your blog and read the tutorials...wonderful, I had to add your blog to my favorites so I can keep track of all the great projects you share. Thank you again! Hugs...ReplyDelete
Thanks for the improv block tutorial! I already follow your great blog.ReplyDelete
Love it, loving those solids! Thanks for a great tut!ReplyDelete
Hi Jennifer, I have been following your blog for a while. Love the StarFlower block. I think this crazy block today would be great in my oh, so beige livingroom. It could use a big shot of colour.ReplyDelete
Thanks for this great tutorial Jennifer. I really need to try this technique. :-)ReplyDelete
OH Jennifer, you make it look so easy! I have a question--the last time I made one of these I ended up with a y-seam. does that ever happen to you? what do you do with it?ReplyDelete
I love your bright, happy colors! Always a pleasure to see a tutorial of yours!
Excellent tutorial, Jeniffer! Love improve piecing.ReplyDelete
Awesome! Love the tutorial. Will work great for my leftover stash of fabrics!ReplyDelete
You think they are just words...they are sew much more than that...your wee messages tell me, you are kind, smart and important...


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What people are seeing and instinctively recognizing is a change in the average conditions."levels of climate change. So for example this summer we've already had 43 days over 100 degrees in Lubbock, which is higher than normal. And if you look in the future this summer is what we'd expect the average summer to be like by the end of the century under lower emissions or by the middle of the century under higher emissions. So we're complaining about this summer, but this could be the average summer within our lifetimes if we continue to depend on fossil fuels.
We have a very narrow window of time to do something meaningful about this issue, and that window is closing."Estimates of how many years of water we have left in the aquifer, which has been there since the last ice age, say that as much as two-thirds of the aquifer could be unusable within 30 years. So then you overlay climate change on that existing problem, and you find that with higher temperatures you obviously need more water to provide plants with the same amount of irrigation because evaporation is a factor. We also find that precipitation patterns are becoming more unpredictable, we're getting more heavy downpours and more dry periods in between, which reduces aquifer recharge, because when you get heavy downpours it runs off into the surface water and then obviously you're not getting any recharge. So climate change is exacerbating the problem we have, and it's the same across most of the Southwest, which is very water-short.
It's a natural response when we're faced with a huge, overwhelming issue that we feel there's not much we can do about it."drought and crop failure because the patterns they depended on have changed over the past 30 years; if you go up to Alaska, where villages are crumbling and falling into the ocean and have to evacuate because of this, you don't find the same level of skepticism regarding the reality of the issue — and also whether we should do something about it — because they see it with their own eyes. Whereas here in the continental U.S. we are not seeing things with our own eyes that we can directly connect to climate change. So it lacks that personal motivation because we have many other immediate concerns.
I think that Governor Perry and I could find many more areas to agree on than you would think at first glance."telling us is happening, and just because you don't like the facts, you can't say they're not real and certainly not malign or try to destroy the credibility of the messenger. So in that sense, as a scientist, I feel like my calling is to try to communicate the truth of this issue and the reasons why we as individual citizens should care about it, because of our own lives and the lives of the people that we know and love and the places that we know and love. I'm an optimist, so I have faith in the average person to be able to make good decisions.
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Recipe from How to Cook Everything.
Couscous with Cauliflower and Almonds
Makes: 4 servings
Time: About 20 minutes
When cauliflower is finely chopped and fried as in this recipe, its crumbly texture mimics cracked grains. I like this best with the nutty flavor of whole wheat couscous. Other grains you can use: bulgur.


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Amy's is apparently missing a cohesive agent to keep her gluten free cookies from becoming a crumbled mess. The flavor is fine and ingredients natural, the reason for 3 stars. But if you are planning a tea and cookies party, don't put your faith in this one.
Good but Crumbly
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I was pleased with the taste but dissapoined with the texture. They crubmle to pieces easily.
Better than Walker's!
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I'm am extremely pleased with these! A genuine shortbread taste and feel. I will order these again... and, again.
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Topic: Two Similar, yet different Tasks...how to DRY?
I have an existing application at birdsite.org. This site lets people upload bird photos. Other users can comment on the photos. When a comment is made, all users subscribed to that image will receive an email notice.
I'm now adding a forum. I want the same subscription behavior to occur when someone adds a post to a forum topic. The only differences with the image subscriptions is that the forum subscription references a Forum Post ID instead of a Image ID, and the content of the generated email refers to the forum instead of an image.
How would you keep this DRY? I'm mainly interested in making the Ruby code DRY, but it might be nice to store subscription data in one table as long as it's not too contrived.
So far all I've done is make the email template flexible enough to say image or forum, and provide the proper hyperlink. But I've got two very similar subscription models and tables, and similar code for making the notifications.
This code is representative of what I'm doing, but not the exact code:
# image_subscription table contains: id, image_id, user_id
class ImageSubscription < ActiveRecord::Base
belongs_to :user
belongs_to :image
validates_uniqueness_of :image_id, :scope => :user_id
# image_subscription table contains: id, forum_topic_id, user_id
class ForumSubscription < ActiveRecord::Base
belongs_to :user
belongs_to :forum_topic
validates_uniqueness_of :forum_topic_id, :scope => :user_id
# My ImageComment class has an after_create method that subscribes
# the current user and sends notifications
def after_create
new_subscription = self.image.image_subscriptions.build()
new_subscription.user_id = session[:user_id]
subscriptions = ImageSubscription.find_all_by_image_id(self.image.id,
:conditions => ['user_id <> ?', session[:user_id]]) rescue nil
if subscriptions
subscriptions.each do | subscription |
Mailer::deliver_subscription_message('image', self.image.title,
self.image.id, self.id, subscription.user.email)
# note error
# My ForumPost class has an after_create that looks just like the above but
# refers to the ForumSubscription model and the Mailer::deliver line replaces
# all the references to 'image' with 'forum_topic'.
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Here's how RW members rated this race in the past (815 votes).
In short: Scenic course in good location - but bad weather damaged the atmosphere!Date of review: May 6, 2012
In short: no medalIn full: all that running in the crappy weather and all for nothing!! thanks guy's. your grrrrreatDate of review: May 5, 2012
In short: Mixed FeelingsIn full: We all knew the weather would be bad but I didn't think it would be *that* awful. Was more like February.Atmosphere was very good. A lot of friendly people there and I can imagine on a sunny day it would be a wonderful race. I only found out the cancellation of the full marathon because I was quite near the loudspeaker. I can imagine that a lot of people would not have heard it.I think they made the right decision and if they'd have cancelled it the day before it could have been a worse mistake.My only grumble really was about the finish, which was congested unnecessarily. I was lucky enough to get a medal but where was the goody bag? Pretty expensive race, so not amused by that.Don't know if I'll run this again but a big thank you to the marshals, people at the water stations and crowds who supported the runners.Date of review: May 3, 2012
In short: Nice, but...In full: Big thanks to the marshals- truly astonishing weather and they must have been out in it for 5+ hours. Worth bearing in mind that the decision to cancel the full and just run the half is only partly about the runners but also about the marshals et al who have to stay out there.That said organisation needs improvment- from past reviews appears fine until they have to deal with something like the atrocious weather on this occasion.To some extent I don't mind a limited goody bag- I know this when I choose to race, but a shame that the year is not on the medal.Date of review: May 1, 2012
In short: Great Event in very difficult circumstances In full: I think negative comments are unfair and sometimes reflect lack of knowledge of the course. All the runners at the end seemed to accept the sense of the decision. Very difficult to make that decision earlier. Marshalls were great as were supporters who both really made an effort in terrible conditions. We need to move way from a blame culture if we are to retain our integrity and dignity. Date of review: May 1, 2012
In short: Weather was poor - organisation was worseIn full: OK, so all reviewers have probably mentioned the cancellation of the full mara. I'm not sure if it was because of the weather or the surface of the Greenway (and if it's good enough for the half then why not good enough for the full?). Communication at the start was feeble - many of us did not know that the race was cancelled until we were well into it.Other than that though, the organisers could - and should - make some changes next year - the path on the road in the final mile was too narrow to allow much overtaking and those of us who wanted to do the full were still full of energy- where was the risk management on the course? The weather had been predicted for days and they failed to provide alternatives.Marathons are supposed to be challenges for most of us - they should have treated us like adults and allowed us to do the full at our own risk. Date of review: May 1, 2012
In short: Nice route, some basic organisational errorsIn full: I was due to run the half and not the full. HOwever I would not come back to do the full in future, only the half. The main reason for this is that I would probably die of hyponatraemia or dehydration in a full marathon in hot weather with NO isotonic fluids and mostly plastic cups of water to keep you going. Just dangerous. I brought an isotonic drink with me for the half and despite the driving rain, really was thankful for it.My other main issue was that on the website it advertised the Cadet Hut as a place to store bags. When I got there (ignoring the misery of the wind and rain and mud!) i squelched about and couldn't find a cadet hut (it wasn't marked on the map on the website) so squelched again over to the information desk and the woman told me bags can be left at the changing rooms at the boat club!! So i squelched to the boat club, soaked through, and the changing room was tiny, and not secure, and other runners were leaving bags with their purses etc in there as they had no choice! This was a terrible start.The route itself was pleasant, a couple of hills rewarded with long downhill sections. The greenway would be a nice flat end to the half in normal weather, unfortunately on this day was very exposed with an insane headwind that made even the hardiest of runners walk.No banana or medal at the finish was a shame, but I survived ;)Date of review: May 1, 2012
In short: Poor organisation at the end.In full: We are club runners, with moderate experience, in our mid-sixties, running the half. The organisers were not responsible for the weather, but they were responsible for the very congested last mile which meant overtaking was almost impossible, the lack of bananas and water at the end, the fact we had to seek out our medals and chip removal, the fact that the tea tent was full of non-runners so we could have no warming drink after being out there for 2hrs 20 mins or so. We have great sympathy for the runners who came in after us as the green way was atrocious. We also think the marshalls were valiant. We will never again enter a run organised by non- runners. Date of review: May 1, 2012
In full: we done the full monty in milton keynes in the same conditions.Date of review: May 1, 2012
In short: Plastic water cups are just rubbish....In full: Nice weather wasnt it.....!!!Anyway, can you please get rid of water cups and sponges on the course. Complete complete complete waste of time. Bottled water is much better.Big thanks to the Marshalls. Seriously, that rain and wind was just crazy, so thanks for sticking with us.Organisers, well, take heed to the comments below. Raise your game....Date of review: April 30, 2012
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Saturday, October 30, 2010
How Is Casefile Clues Different?
From 1989 until 2009, I had written for just about every trade genealogical publication there was. I had numerous articles published, but I had a lot of interesting ideas and content turned down. I also felt that most of the trade magazines were really not giving readers the content and analysis they wanted. There was simply too much fluff.
Editors and managers also told me that no one wanted to read articles written about my ancestors. I was told that how-to articles based largely on case studies were not wanted by the genealogy public. But I knew that there were already plenty of articles about what was in the 1880 census, etc. I was told that readers did not want to read long articles--"anything over 1,000 words people simply were not going to read. It has to be short." I was also told that what I wrote sometimes sounded too much like an NGSQ article with too much analysis and that "internet genealogists" simply were not interested in that sort of content. While I know there are researchers who are not interested in "analysis," I know a large number are.
So I started Casefile Clues writing basically for myself. I'd already written over 1,000 articles for others. It has been fun, but there have been challenges along the way.
I don't accept any advertising in the newsletter or on the Casefile Clues website. Other than generating more subscribers (grin), there is no agenda for Casefile Clues, we're not selling anything else on the website. I don't review materials in Casefile Clues and I don't mention sites or databases that I don't personally use. I'm also not one to immediately latch onto the "latest" and "greatest" thing. Because of that, you won't find "news" and "latest developments" mentioned in the newsletter. Personally, I tire of much of the hype and exgaggeration that seems to envelope certain aspects of "online genealogy." You'll never find a copied and pasted press release information in the newsletter or on the website (or the other websites I maintain either). Content, errors and all, is fresh. The newsletter is proofread, but the websites are not. And because I pretty much march to my own beat, the genealogy marketplace usually doesn't invite me to the "behind the scenes" events. And that's fine with me too.
If you know of someone who might enjoy Casefile Clues, I'd appreciate you letting them know about the newsletter. Our rates are low in an attempt to be affordable to just about everyone, but because of that the more subscribers, the better.
If you've read this far, thanks for listening. And now, back to work. As regular readers know, I've got several research projects underway and I need to get back to them.
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Monday, April 30, 2012 - Pictures by Badmintonphoto (archive)
The Yonex Sunrise India Open came to an exciting close on Sunday as five players tasted gold for the first time in their careers at an OSIM BWF World Superseries tournament.
South Korea's Shon Wan Ho (left), led the way with a stunning three-game victory over world No. 1 and top seed Lee Chong Wei of Malaysia in the men's singles, while compatriots Jung Kyung Eun-Kim Ha Na edged China's Japan Open winners Bao Yixin-Zhong Qianxin in straight games in the women's doubles.
Thailand's Bodin Issara-Maneepong Jongjit stopped a third South Korean victory when they battled hard before getting the better of Ko Sung Hyun-Yoo Yeon Seong in the men's double.
In between, Asian champion Li Xuerui of China grabbed her third consecutive title in the women's singles and Indonesia's defending champions Tontowi Ahmad-Liliyana Natsir made it back-to-back Superseries titles when they won the mixed doubles gold medal.
Wan Ho, who had never beaten Chong Wei in four previous encounters, celebrated his qualification to the Olympics by winning a titanic match 21-18, 14-21, 21-19.
A delighted Wan Ho told the media: "I was glad that I had simply qualified for the Olympics but it feels great to win my first Superseries crown.
"I was leading comfortably so I was confident. When he kept getting back, I got nervous. Luckily, I was able to keep my focus. When I got the chance to serve for the match I was able to make it count.
"I had nothing to lose and was confident. He gets a bit nervous playing the Koreans and my strokes and defence were brilliant.
"I took some time before serving at 20-19 as I knew he looks to attack. He was trailing in the match and so I held my nerves. I will next play in the Thomas Cup and then in Singapore and Indonesia before the Olympics."
Bodin-Maneepong (right), didn't fear second seeds Sung Hyun-Yeon Seong as they had beaten their opponents in the Thomas Cup qualifiers earlier this year. They continued their winning run by taking out their opponents in three games, winning 21-17, 14-21, 21-14 to become the first men's doubles pair from Thailand to win a Superseries crown.
Kyung Eun-Ha Na (below), made up for their many near misses in the past by beating their Chinese opponents 21-17, 21-18 to finally take home their first Superseries title.
Li Xuerui ended Juliane Schenk's one-woman show against China by getting the better of the German in three games.
Schenk, who had beaten two Chinese players, including top seed Wang Shixian, en route to the final, looked tired after reaching her second final in as many weeks and lost 14-21, 21-17, 21-8.
Schenk had also lost last week's European Championships while Li Xuerui, who claimed her second Asian crown in as three years last Sunday, enjoyed a day off on Saturday when compatriot Jiang Yanjiao conceded a walkover.
Tontowi-Liliyana, who first announced their arrival on the world stage by winning this tournament a year ago, stopped Thailand's Sudket Prapakamol-Saralee Thoungthongkam 21-16, 12-21, 21-14 to add the crown to their All England title.
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Results (All finals)
Singles: Shon Wan Ho (South Korea) bt Lee Chong Wei (Malaysia) 21-18, 14-21, 21-19.
Doubles: Bodin Issara-Maneepong Jongjit (Thailand) bt Ko Sung Hyun-Yoo Yeon Seong (South Korea) 21-17, 14-21, 21-14.
Singles: Li Xuerui (China) bt Juliane Schenk (Germany) 14-21, 21-17, 21-8.
Doubles: Jung Kyung Eun-Kim Ha Na (South Korea) bt Bao Yixin-Zhong Qianxin (China) 21-17, 21-18.
Mixed doubles: Tontowi Ahmad-Liliyana Natsir (Indonesia) bt Sudket Prapakamol-Saralee Thoungthongkam (Thailand) 21-16, 12-21, 21-14.
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