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Production legend Alan Parsons on 10 career-defining records
During his 40-year-plus career as producer, engineer and artist, Alan Parsons has sat on both sides of the studio glass on projects that have sold in the tens of millions. But when the production legend joined the staff of EMI Studios (soon to be renamed Abbey Road) in 1968 at the age of 19, his duties included little more than logging tapes and keeping artists' tea cups filled.
"Oh, yes, if you were a tape op, making tea was part of your job," Parsons says. "Abbey Road had a very effective training scheme, where people started at the bottom, carrying tapes from room to room and eventually becoming second engineer, engineer and so on. Some people went from the tape library to disc cutting, but I managed to skip that step."
As a tape operator, Parsons watched London's finest producers and engineers - namely George Martin and Geoff Emerick – shape music that transformed popular culture. For the most part, he kept his head down and kept quiet. Even so, he calls his early years at EMI an invaluable experience.
"You were on sessions, and you watched the engineers at work," he says. "It was a gradual process of understanding what good sound was. What microphone works on a piano? How do you record a band? How are songs molded, albums put together? You found that out. But learning how to listen was the biggest lesson I got overall. It all comes from the ears."
In 1968, most teenagers in Great Britain would have given their eye teeth for the kind of daily, intimate contact Parsons had with the Fab Four. But the young tape op and world-class tea maker had to keep his wits about him in the studio or risk getting the boot. "One mistake and you were out of there," he says. "Press a wrong button, forget it, you're done. Sure, they're The Beatles and you're in awe, but you're there to work. You had to stay in the right frame of mind."
One of Parsons' first gigs as full-time engineer, Pink Floyd's landmark album The Dark Side Of The Moon, earned him a Grammy nomination. Easing into the producer's seat, he turned Al Stewart's six and a half minute jazz-influenced dreamscape – with a sax solo, no less – into a worldwide smash. And then Parsons did a funny thing – he became the artist. The Alan Parsons Project, a two-man group that also included singer, songwriter and composer Eric Woolfson, yielded Top 10 hits such as Time, Games People Play and Eye In The Sky.
"If I have any kind of modus operandi, it still has to do with listening," Parsons says. "Listening to the song and what the artist is trying to accomplish with it. I'm not the comic strip idea of a producer, the guy who walks into the room and says, 'I want this, I want that.' It's all about communication and an exchange of ideas. Again, you have to listen and trust your ears – that's how you extract the best performances."
While Parsons continues to push boundaries – this year he's worked with artists as disparate as ukulele virtuoso Jake Shimabukuro ("absolutely brilliant") and progressive rock titan Steven Wilson ("astonishingly talented") – we managed to sit him down for a retrospective look at 10 of the most important and memorable recordings of his career.
The Beatles – Let It Be (1970)
"It was released last, but in truth, it was recorded before the Abbey Road album. I had just turned 20 when we did this. From a technical standpoint, it was fraught with trouble. The Beatles had this guy, Magic Alex, who was supposed to build all of this gear. I was sent in to sort out the mess.
"Two four-track consoles were sent down to Apple, and I was the operator who had to work the tape machines. This was after they had already been through a frustrating period of trying to get Magic Alex's equipment to work. I walked into this basement studio, and there was John, Paul, George and Ringo, Linda Eastman, Yoko Ono, George Martin and Glyn Johns all looking at me with these strange expressions. You could tell that the band wasn't feeling fulfilled by what was going on. It was a tense time.
"Nobody really knew what they wanted to do. Were they making a film or a live album? Paul definitely wanted it to be a live album. Some of the others didn't agree with that notion, but as the Let It Be… Naked record shows, it really was a pretty good live album.
"I was just happy to be there. I was young and being paid to work with The Beatles – it doesn't get much better than that. I didn't make any judgements as to their attitudes at the time. Maybe they're always down in the mouth – I didn't really know.
"As for the Phil Spector mixes, I enjoyed some of them and didn't like others. He has a style and a sound, and he extracted that out of Let It Be. I thought The Long And Winding Road was over-orchestrated, but on other things he did a great job. His version of the song Let It Be was a hell of a lot better than the original."
The Beatles – Abbey Road (1969)
"The notion that this would be The Beatles' last album had not occurred to me at the time. On reflection, the fact is that they clearly did not want to be in each other's company. They tended to come in and work on their own as individuals.
"Paul would come in and sing Oh! Darling until his voice was suitably hoarse to get the right take. John, too, would work on his vocals by himself. George, of course, was very involved with his own songs, doing things without help from the others. Abbey Road was largely the work of individuals and not that of a band.
"Geoff Emerick was the engineer – I was still an assistant, very much in training. My relationship with Geoff was very good. He was a great teacher, always ready to answer my technical questions, provided that I waited for the right moment to ask. He's a great 'ideas' guy, always looking for a new way to record something. That was a lot of fun to watch.
"The album was the second one that was done on eight-track – Let It Be was the first, although there might have been one or two songs on The White Album that were done on eight-track. The machine was under Abbey Road's extravagant scrutiny – they wouldn't buy anything that they didn't think they would totally use.
"George Martin was always the middle ground between everybody, and they all, without exception, had a great deal of respect for him. He was, in many ways, the guiding light of this period. He was the glue that cemented everything together."
Wings – Wild Life (1971)
"I had worked with Paul as an assistant on some previous things, but this was the time where we got to know each other better. I was still in the tape-op seat, but I did get a chance to run off some rough mixes so everybody could see what had been done. There's a song called I Am Your Singer, and I ran off a mix of that. Paul said, 'Well, there's nothing more we need to do with that, and I really like your mix, Alan.' So that was my first foray into engineering for Paul McCartney.
"He was as happy as could be, enjoyed the concept of having his own band that he was in charge of. Of course, there was no leader in The Beatles. Paul could be tough. I wouldn't say he knew what he wanted, but he knew how to get results. He could push people – 'This doesn't sound great yet. Make it sound great.' So I'd be scratching my head, trying to figure out how I could make something sound great... until it did. Eventually, Paul would say, 'Ahh, yes! There it is.'"
Pink Floyd – The Dark Side Of The Moon (1973)
"I was very fortunate to be in the right place at the right time to work with the band on Dark Side Of The Moon. I had worked with them briefly as mix engineer, but now I was engineer. I had worked my way up and proven myself as what Abbey Road called a 'balance engineer' as opposed to a 'button pusher.'
"I put in a lot of hours. Sometimes I'd work into the night because I'd run off rough mixes after the band had gone home. Sometimes I came in early in the morning to do orchestral sessions with somebody else, but I always made sure to be available for Floyd so I didn't have to share the engineering credit with somebody else.
"The whole thing was written out pretty much. There were a few things that were developed in the studio, but on the whole, Roger Waters had written everything by the time we started. In fact, they performed it even – during the recording, they went out and played it live and learned from that experience.
"As for the Wizard Of Oz... I have to keep correcting people: The band were actually watching Mary Poppins the whole time they were making the album. [Laughs] Or we can tell it differently and say they were watching Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!"
The Hollies – Hollies (1974)
"This album was monumental. The Air That I Breathe was the first big hit single that I'd ever had, other than Money by Pink Floyd. The Hollies were a joy to work with. They were always on time, always kind and good-natured, full of humour. They respected their producer, Ron Richards, and their engineer, which was me, of course.
"It was basic stuff to create a track with bass, drums, guitars, keyboards and so on, and then we'd send a mix off to an arranger to work with. In this case, it was a very celebrated arranger named Chris Gunning. Through a conversation with Ron Richards, he went off and did the arrangement, and we recorded it all in one afternoon in the Number 3 studio at Abbey Road. I think we mixed it the same day.
"I heard the Phil Everly version of The Air That I Breathe, and I remember Ron telling the band, 'This will be the biggest hit you've ever had.' Of course, he was dead right. He could pick a song out of a hundred and say, 'This will be a hit.' Very few people can do that. You have to have the right set of ears."
Al Stewart – Year Of The Cat (1976)
"This was the second one I'd done with Al, the first being Modern Times [1975]. For reasons best known to myself, I think Modern Times is a superior record – it's got better songs, in my opinion – but Year Of The Cat was a bit hit, and it's the one that most people know. Actually, it has great songs, too.
"Year Of The Cat, the track, is quite lovely. I probably surprised Al greatly when I suggested putting a saxophone solo on it. He always enjoyed lengthy, soaring guitar solos, but I think if we had lengthy, soaring guitar solos on Year Of The Cat it would've been quite monotonous. So we decided, by careful choice and structuring, to do an acoustic guitar solo, an electric guitar solo and a sax solo. I brought in a chum of mine, Phil Kensey, to see what he could achieve on the track, and of course it was magic. It formed the whole of the song quite brilliantly.
"Al was somewhat doubtful whether a sax solo would work; he'd considered himself as coming from a folk-rock background, so it felt out of place to him. Funnily enough, after the success of the song, he took on Phil to join his band, so it was clearly the right decision on my part. [Laughs]
"As for whether I knew it would be a hit, my first reaction to the song was something like, 'It's very long, and it'll never get on the radio.' But sometimes longer is better."
The Alan Parsons Project – I Robot (1977)
"The name of the band stemmed from the record company. On our first album, before we had a name, they would ask, 'How's the Alan Parsons project coming?' And we'd say, 'Oh, great. Sounds good. We'll be delivering the Alan Parsons project in February.' After a while, the record company president said, 'I like that – the Alan Parsons Project. That's what we'll call it.'
"This was our second album; we'd had some success with the first one, the Edgar Alan Poe album [Tales Of Mystery And Imagination, 1976]. Being signed by record company giant executive Clive Davis was great, a very humbling experience.
"It was funny, however – there we were, this progressive rock outfit sitting alongside the other Arista artists, people like Barry Manilow. I think we're the only prog-rock band Clive Davis has in his history.
"The title track to the album owed a heavy debt to an early sequencer on a suitcase synthesizer. It was in this small case – you'd open the lid and there were all of these buttons and things. That's what formed the basis of this instrumental track, the opening song on the album."
The Alan Parsons Project – The Turn Of A Friendly Card (1980)
"We'd had two other albums under our belts. By Eve [1979], it became clear to us that we were not prepared to pay 93 percent income tax to the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the UK. So we decided to go to Monaco, a tax-free zone, and we continued to be residents of Monaco for The Turn Of A Friendly Card.
"Finances aside, we recorded the album in Paris in a lovely studio in the Saint-Germain area. It was wonderful: We'd get up, have a big breakfast, then we'd walk to the studio and start recording at about noon. Then we'd stop at eight or so and go out for a fantastic French bistro dinner. Depending on how much wine we'd had, we'd either give it up for the night or go back to the studio for a feeble attempt at doing something.
"The title song is quite long, a 16-minute opus, but it's broken up into segments. Interestingly, we've been playing it live in its entirety, and it's been going down an absolute storm. The applause has been astronomical.
"The hits, Games People Play and Time, are not part of the Turn Of A Friendly Card suite. To this day, I don't know what Time has to do with the concept of gambling. Certainly Games People Play relates. But there's two big hits on one album, arguably two of our biggest. That set things up very well for the next record."
The Alan Parsons Project – Eye In The Sky (1982)
"If you look at the Billboard charts, Eye In The Sky could be our biggest hit. Certainly in terms of exposure through the intro, which is called Sirius, it's become a sports anthem, particularly with the Chicago Bulls and the New Orleans Saints.
"I wrote the bulk of Sirius, and Eric [Woolfson] wrote the bulk of Eye In The Sky. He's no longer here to tell us of his lyrical points, but I think the song is a vague reference to an Orwellian 1984 situation – hidden cameras, surveillance. The idea is that no one is alone; somebody's always watching you.
"I think this was the first album on which I used the Fairlight. It was a revolutionary instrument, the forerunner of all technologies that became known as 'sampling.' You could actually record a sound onto a computer and then play that sound on a keyboard. It really was revolutionary at the time, but people would laugh at it now. It had a learning curve. You couldn't just plug it in and play – you had to read the manual. But I'm an engineer, so I like stuff like that."
Alan Parsons – A Valid Path (2004)
"After moving to America in 1999, I got a new manager who secured a record deal for me, and we formed a band to play live. This record was an attempt to be a little different, to go with a more electronic sound. It's a strange sort of irony that I'm associated with being electronic, because I'm actually not. I've used synths as much as somebody else, but not as much as other people. The Alan Parsons Project was more guitar based than keyboard based.
"I wanted to see if I could capture the modern electronic market and even the dance market. It was successful in that I was able to meet some great people like The Crystal Method and Shpongle. My own son, Jeremy, who's very much into electronic music, he's on it. We got David Gilmour to play a solo on one of the tracks. It had all of the ingredients to be successful, but it didn't set the world alight unfortunately. A lot of the purists who listened to my previous music said, 'Mmm… forget the electronic stuff.'
"I haven't made an album since. You don't want to rush these things, do you?"


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What's all the "bleepin" about?Posted Tuesday, June 8, 2010, at 6:31 PM
Before I get started here, yes I'm aware it's been a long time since I've posted. I keep telling myself I'll do better and then I get tied up and forget, so, once again, I'll do better. HAHA
OK, so I have the evening off and I'm sitting here on the couch flipping through channels and we passed the MTV Music Awards. While under normal circumstances I wouldn't pay it any attention, but yesterday I read a story about how many "bleeps" there were this year. Apparently, in the first 120 minutes, there were more than 100 bleeps and numerous instances that should have been bleeped.
So far, I've watched for 10 minutes and we're 11 bleeps into it.
What my question is, is does a bleep really make a statement less vulgar? I mean, we all know the words and what they're saying and a bleep doesn't change the context of anything. As much as I think we have no shortage of regulation, I have to say that this is something that should be watched more closely and if you're going to bother censoring something, then censor it. Maybe a good whopper of a fine might help to line some of this out.
MTV isn't the only one. Comedy Central is probably the worst channel on cable television as far as this goes. Cartoon Network isn't much better.
My point is, without the bleeps, the show would have been rated R without a doubt, and been subject to different guidelines, like editing out portions of movie.
A few bleeps, in my humble opinion, doesn't make it any less garbage than it already is.
At the risk of repeating my parents, this has really gotten much worse in the last 10 years. Who knows what we'll see on television by 2030.
Ok, I'm hopping off my soap box now.
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MTV is a 'bleepin' joke and never been more 'bleepin' 'bleep' 'bleepin' 'bleep' 'bleep' irrelevent. Just more ultra liberal feel good holier than 'bleepin' thou 'bleepin' propaganda.
Turn the 'bleepin' channel.
-- Posted by shannonhoon on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 10:25 AM
I agree, Corey and Hoon.
I remember when MTV first came on the air. Sure has changed since then. Back then it was just some cool VJ's and videos...no commercials or junk of any kind. It was good back then.
-- Posted by BarbaraNTexas on Thu, Jun 10, 2010, at 4:59 PM
I would call Karma Chamillion and Wake Me Up Before you GO-GO junk, but other than that I would agree Barbie. Oh, and maybe dorky instead of cool when describing the VJ's. Except Neena Blackwood was HOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT!!!!!
-- Posted by shannonhoon on Fri, Jun 11, 2010, at 8:53 PM
I was always taught that the use of profanity was a sign of a weak mind trying to sound strong.
-- Posted by mythought on Sun, Jun 13, 2010, at 1:53 AM
Jeeze... I wonder if you'll read this, since your story is old, but the fact is that your entire premise is wrong.
Cable networks like Comedy Central, MTV, etc. are not beholden to FCC and have no legal content standards.
The power of the FCC to enforce decency standards comes from the fact over-the-air television broadcasts are making use of public property: their slice of the radio spectrum. That authority does not apply to cable television because it is transmitted using cable or satellite connections that are private property.
You may wonder then why Comedy Central and MTV censor themselves if they aren't legally obligated to. The answer is that their advertisers limit what they televise. If MTV began to show pornography, you wouldn't see many Walmart or McDonalds commercials on the channel.
The trend is toward a decrease in censorship for cable television. Look at Comedy Central's late night Secret Stash movie showings, which air uncensored rated R movies. Or look at shows like Breaking Bad on AMC that contain violence of the sort we used to see only on HBO.
Also, calling for more censorship is a shameful and shortsighted way to fight the problems you see. Censorship is usually an unconstitutional infringement of our civil liberties.
It would be much better to fight this from the other end with a substantially higher budget for education. Let's teach these chimps not to worship Paris Hilton rather than trying to control her instead.
-- Posted by thebackwardx on Mon, Jul 5, 2010, at 3:47 PM
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Lindera benzoin (wild allspice,[citation needed] spicebush,[1] common spicebush,[2] northern spicebush[3] or Benjamin bush[1]) is a flowering plant in the family Lauraceae, native to eastern North America, ranging from Maine to Ontario in the north, and to Kansas, Texas and northern Florida in the south.
Spicebush is a medium-sized deciduous shrub growing to 5 m tall, typically found only in the understory of moist thickets. The leaves are alternate, simple, 6–15 cm long and 2–6 cm broad, oval or obovate and broadest beyond the middle of the leaf. They are very aromatic when crushed, hence the common names and the specific epithet "benzoin." The flowers grow in showy yellow clusters that appear in early spring, before the leaves begin to grow. The fruit is a berrylike red drupe, rich in lipid, about 1 cm long and is highly prized by birds. It has a "turpentine-like" taste and aromatic scent, and contains a large seed. Spicebush is dioecious (plants are either male or female), so that both sexes are needed in the garden if one wants berries with viable seed.
Spicebush is a favorite food plant of two handsome lepidopterous insects: the spicebush swallowtail Papilio troilus, and the promethea silkmoth, Callosamia promethea. The larvae of the spicebush swallowtail are easily found inside leaves that have been folded over by the application of silk; small larvae are brown, resembling bird droppings, mature larvae are green, with eyespots resembling the head of a snake. Since there are typically several broods (generations) of spicebush swallowtails each year, spicebush is a useful plant for the butterfly garden, since the egglaying females are strongly attracted to it. Promethea moth cocoons, if present, can be found in the winter, resembling dead leaves still hanging from the twigs. Neither of these insects is ever present in sufficient quantities to defoliate a spicebush of medium to large size, although very small specimens may suffer even from a single caterpillar.
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Other species in the Lindera genus also have common names containing the word "spicebush". Calycanthus (sweetshrub, spicebush) is in a different family within the Laurales.
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WASHINGTON DC - The USA Field Hockey Women's National Team fell to Argentina today, 5-1, in the final game of a five game test series at American University in Washington DC. Michelle Kasold scored for the USA.
"I think in the last two games Argentina stepped up their performance and their ball-handling and they took the game away from us," said Head Coach Lee Bodimeade.
Argentina opened the scoring quickly, with two goals in the first ten minutes. In the 6th minute, Rosario Luchetti tipped a shot from the edge of the circle that lofted over goalkeeper Amy Tran's head and into the goal for the first score. Some crisp passing by the Argentina offense in the circle found Mariela Scarone at the far post where she netted the second goal.
As the USA began to build offensively, the Argentina defense disrupted the attacks inside the scoring circle.
"It was unfortunate that we had a deficit early on, because we were moving the ball crisper and more efficiently than we had in earlier matches," said Assistant Coach Steve Jennings. "But Argentina is good. They set the standard today."
Alexandra Gulla added a penalty corner for Argentina just before the end of the first half.
In the 45th minute, Delfina Merino received a pass all the way from the far corner into the circle, where she tipped it in for the fourth Argentina goal.
The USA broke through in the 56th minute, when Michelle Kasold beat Argentina goalkeeper Laura del Colle with a hard strike to the far post.
"When we moved simply and took care of our basics, we found we could develop an attack easily," said Jennings. "We really could get inside the attacking area. We showed a lot of heart. We learned we can score and finish; we scored in every match, and took the lead in several games. That was really healthy for us, to show we could score goals against one of the best teams in the world."
Argentina added another penalty corner goal from Alexandra Gulla in the 59th minute to cap the scoring.
Terry Walsh, USA Field Hockey Technical Director of High Performance, was duly impressed with Argentina's level of play. While the USA is introducing new players to international competition, Argentina is honing its game for one of the world's top competitions, the Women's World Cup in August.
"That is the best form I've ever seen from Argentina," said Walsh. "That's a great credit to them. I don't know how they will sustain that form all the way to the Women's World Cup. I hope for they sake they do. If they continue, Argentina will certainly be a medallist at the Women's World Cup and they will really press the Dutch for the gold."
The next phase of preparation is for the 2011 Pan American Games, where the champion will automatically qualify for the 2012 Olympics. The USA's chief rival at the Pan Ams will be - again - Argentina.
"It's a goal that's not going to move," said Bodimeade. "We're going to focus on that now. After the Women's National Championship in June, we'll be in a better position to begin our preparations, because right now the disappointment of not qualifying for the World Cup is still hanging over our heads."
"The heartbreak of not reaching the Women's World Cup has now reached its endpoint and it's done," said Walsh. "This is the completion of that phase."
Umpires for this match were Maggie Giddens and Suzi Sutton.


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getting ready for spring gardening
I know it's early - where I live, we're at least three months away from doing any outdoor seeding and planting - but best to be prepared. Besides, here, we can drift into the benefits of having your own garden, and what's best for planting in different areas, new species of veggies and fruits, and so on.
I live on Quebec's Lower North Shore, just below the tip of Labrador, and east of Anticosti. Our nearest big city is Sept-Iles. We are not connected by a road system - most of our fruits and veggies arrive by container ship nine months of the year, and by small plane or skidoo in the winter.
I live in Zone Three, so I need to plant things hardy to Zone 2 or 3. No one to my knowledge has succeeded in growing tomatoes outdoors here - only in greenhouses.
I have a good-sized outdoor garden, and will be adding a greenhouse eventually. I have two small flower gardens, and am transplanting shrubbery from the bush and bog as I am able.
one plant i would like to continue with is Chamomile. i drink chamomile tea a few times a day and the tea-bags can get a little expensive.
i would like to learn to press sunflowers, peanuts, & soybeans to extract the oil for biodiesel.
i have pictures of a manual press. one heck of a workout. bust your buns and get maybe a cup of oil. do that 16 times and you have a gallon.
the leftover mash is about as nutritious as before the oil is removed.
I was just thinking, before I read this thread title, that I'd like to get some potting soil and start them off soon. Maybe this weekend. I have to find some place to put them though, my few south facing windows are already full with house plants, and a passion flower vine that is spending the winter indoors.
I have a modest little tree farm on the go here, and with a niece and nephew living on five acres between Appin and West ForLorn, Ont., and friends on a farm in Dundalk who lost some trees due to a December ice storm, I have no problem finding homes for them.
Last September I took fifteen maples, almost three feet high, and two ash trees (hopefully, the ash borer will miss them, as they are small) and spent the day planting them with my nephew and my grand nephews. It was a fun day-- even though digging in the hard clay of that region was a challenge.
I planted them incorrectly, btw. I dug too deep, and back filled with peat moss. My thinking was influenced by very dry conditions last September.
A day after I planted them, it started to rain, and rain and rain. My planting method might actually lead to the saplings being "drowned". The roots need some oxygen, as I learned later.
And then, some deer grazed the tips of them, my nephew tells me.
Anywho, I expected a 50% die off, so I already have replacements ready to go for them, and this time I will follow Ministry advice on tree planting.
This year I will plant the oak seedlings that survived the attacks of the squirel vermin, a jack pine that is almost a yard high now, and maybe a black locust, depending on how it has survived the winter. It sprouted late.
Actually, I just remembered that many tree and wildflower seeds need to be stratified in order to germinate. I think I will plant the seeds and put them outside to go through the regular freeze thaw cycles that the might need. I use clear plastic bottles with the tops cut off to cloche small plants.
Yes....yes this will do nicely....mwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha *cough*.
(It helps to pretend it's an evil plot for world tree domination.)
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I was surfin' through the Garden Web when I came upon this useful thread. I need a greenhouse, and I have a few old windows in storage. I think I will build something like this (photo above).
Much easier to work with is greenhouse grade plastic, which again, comes in various grades and forms.
We have several large greenhouses here. One plastic and one glass. They're entirely different growing enviroments.
For outdoor, row garden work, I would suggest a low level hoop setup, or something similar. Last year I made up a bunch of tri-angular clear-plastic portable row covers about 16 feet long that worked excellent. I ate fresh peppers in November. In fact, BB, with a set-up like that, growing a short day variety, you could probably pull off a tomato crop.
A small greenhouse like the posted pic would give your plants a good head start, and combined with some kind of row cover for frost protection, I think you'd be surprised at what crops you could pull off.
I mention it because, in my neck of the woods, a green house would only have utility in the early and late part of the year. By May, a good warm sunny day would cook plants if there wasn't a good, and automated ventilation system.
What I find works for me is something I saw on Martha Stewart years ago, a technique called clocheing. (sp?) Of course, Martha used big expensive glass bell shaped cloches imported from France, but clear plastic jugs and soft drink containers do the same thing. For plants that I am protecting from the worst of winter, I cut no extra holes in them. For seedlings and other plants that I want to grow a little more by increasing the overnight and daytime temperatures in our fickle springs and falls, I cut small vent holes so that the warmer days don't cook them.
That way I don't have to monitor them so much.
But that greenhouse looks like it would work really well in your climate and with just a little monitoring, you wouldn't have to instal any kind of ventilation system.
Not to mention that it's just a whole lot of fun taking what would be scrap materials and bodging them together into something usefull.
But if water supply is an issue, maybe they could be used in series to gather rain water from an eavestrough downspout? There'd be a lot of serious tinkering involved there. A more practicle idea would be a barrel, which leaves you back with your excess of 4L jugs.
I've thought of a rain barrel myself, for watering the garden. Home Despot sells them for about $50.00, I think, complete with a spigot on the bottom for your hose. But then you have to build something to keep it a bit off the ground so gravity will deliver the water, so there's added cost there, too.
But I keep looking around for something more home made. One day, something will come along.
The biggest greenhouse ops I know are located in the extreme south parts of Ontario, and Niagara, and are run year round, in stunning heat.
Another style of in-ground, row crop growing that you might like to check into, BB, is using black bio-plastic overtop of the soil. This also helps with keeping weeds under control.
Here's a simple link to check out: http://www.hoophouse.com/home-hobbyist.html
And: http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/boulderbeltcsa/rowcover.html
there's a lot to be said for using available materials. in my case, that means plastic shopping bags. i've been saving them. i won't start taping them together into square meter patches until i land the deal on the land, and verify that the tape i'm using is good for low temperatures.
I do however, always have a pot or two of herbs near my back door. Usually stuff like parsley, basil, marjorum, etc. Some herbs are selected to eat, some just for scent or appearance. This should work fine in your climate.
I tried a couple of tomato plants once but the raccoons got them before I did.
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quote: The biggest greenhouse ops I know are located in the extreme south parts of Ontario, and Niagara, and are run year round, in stunning heat.
Yes, very true Farmpunk, but all that I have seen have large industrial fans, or the more modern ones have walls that can be retracted when it gets hot.
I'm a lazy gardener. I garden when I feel the need to do something with my hands. So, I look for solutions that are home made, and require little fuss after the feeling of doing something with my hands passes.
My experience with herbs is for the most part positive, as far as growing them goes. Far too positive, in fact.
I have tyme growing all over my lawn now, and a sage bush that I "trim" with a hand sickle twice a year.
I recommend planting them with an eye to containment.
Thinking about this, I should really move this spring to find a way to harness rain water. The price of water in London is astronomical. I wish we were located near some of the Great Lakes, then it might be cheaper.
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Best bang for the buck is CMHC graded vapour barrier, the more expensive stuff that is required by building code.
If you take it off in 5-6 months you can use it 2 years.
I'm going by memory, because I'm to lazy to google, but I think Catnip is part of the mint family, and people have been known to use it as an upset stomach remedy. I caution against ingesting things like that without knowing the exact active properties. My English relatives swore by comphry leaves as a joint pain reliever. Turns out comphry can be dangerous.
I will swear though, that catnip is an amazing mosquito repellent. I heard about that property on the Discovery chanel, and tested it myself when I was being eaten alive on a back porch near Kingston a few years ago.
I applied it in stages, and sure enough, the mosquitoes would leave the catnip rubbed areas alone in favour of the catnip free areas, like magic.
You don't need to rub the leaves on your skin with any force, a light application is all that it takes. Whatever chemical is in catnip that repells mosqutoes is, I am willing to bet, less detrimental than DEET.
The only problem is that catnip isn't harvestable when you need it most, in May with the most voracious first hatch of mosquitoes.
i must live in America.
but actually, it's very good to learn, about catnip that is.
if you're sitting outside and you've used catnip to take care of the mosquitoes, how would a pet cat react ?
Unless I am swarmed, I ignore the little blighters. I go out in late May, unprotected in the mature woods or wet lands, and get bit. On the worst ones, I use the plantain. I think the worst bites are the first ones, as your immune system isn't geared up for the chemical that causes the itching yet. Bites later in the year don't seem to itch hardly at all. So I go out, invite the bites and get it over with early. That way I can enjoy the outdoors later in the year.
Except, of course, for the high pitched whinning of the mosquito complainers.
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I wish I would have started twenty years ago to turn my backyard into a small slice of the Bruce Peninsula. Some limestone, some cedar trees, and purloined wildflower seeds from the area would have been nice by now. And a rattlesnake or two might have kept the squirels down.


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Chautauqua Striders collaborates with the Jamestown Public Schools after school programs either in partnership with the YMCA or YWCA or as an independent provider. Additionally, it also serves students in many other Chautauqua County districts located in the central and northern parts of the county. All tutoring programs are designed to support national core standards and curriculum. While approaches may vary, across the nation, the focus of every district is to uphold these standards and impart them to its students.
With funding from the 21st Century Community Learning Centers Grant, Chautauqua Striders was able to send two of its academic tutoring coordinators, one each from the north and south county regions, to the "Beyond School Hours" conference sponsored by Foundations Inc., a national nonprofit organization "committed to building the quality of educational opportunities for children, youth and families through work with public and charter schools, school districts, education and community-based organizations, and the after school field."
For the last 16 years, it has hosted this remarkable event, bringing educators, administrators, after school coordinators and on-site staff persons together from across the United States for the purpose of networking, sharing ideas, learning new teaching techniques and strategies, and hearing from experts in the field of education and after school time.
Held in Jacksonville, Fla., Feb. 20-23, hundreds of people came together under one roof with one goal in mind: to improve and strengthen programming in order to better serve the needs of students after school.
From Alaska to Texas to Connecticut to the Virgin Islands, people came. The opening ceremony featured the incomparable poet and national treasure, Maya Angelou. The next morning, prior to the first work sessions, attendees were treated to the inspirational words of keynote speaker, Ron Clark, founder of the Ron Clark Academy in Atlanta, Ga. Clark was the 2000 Disney American Teacher of the Year and is a best selling author, making appearances on the "Oprah Winfrey Show," the "Today Show" and CNN. He shared his teaching experiences – successes and failures – with a rapt audience, inspiring everyone.
During the course of the next two days, educational sessions ran from early morning until 5:30 p.m. Some of the topics covered included: integrating social justice (into programming), bringing Latino culture into the classroom, digital media, parental involvement, STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) projects and exercises, literacy, arts, mathematics, program funding and maintenance, academic enrichment, fitness and nutrition, youth empowerment and development, and many, many more.
The list of options seemed endless. In addition, exhibitors were on hand to offer their wide-ranging versions of academically enriching activities for after school programming.
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Used to their fullest capacity, after school programs allow for an enriching and fun-filled extension to regular classroom time. Support from school districts, teachers, community and business partners, and individual volunteers bring learning alive and make it relevant to children and young adults.
Statistics show the hours between the end of school and dinnertime are those in which students are most likely to get into trouble or engage in "risky" behavior. Having the accessibility of quality programming, at low or no cost, works in everyone's favor. Academic assistance, core standards, STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics), and literacy infuse nearly every aspect of after school in a fun and engaging way. For more information about program enrollment procedures and activities, log onto the Chautauqua Striders website at www.chautauqua-striders.org or call 488-2203 in Jamestown or 363-2203 in the north county to be directed to the appropriate program site.


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NEW YORK ( TheStreet) -- Hedge fund manager David Einhorn has grabbed headlines for suing tech darling Apple(AAPL) , getting burned on coffee maker Green Mountain Coffee Roasters (GMCR) after a public feud and betting the wrong way on high-flying chipmaker Marvell Technologies (MRVL) .
But it's what Einhorn isn't saying that may be most relevant to his investors in 2013.
For instance, Einhorn has kept a long-held short trade in ratings agency Moody's(MCO) on the down low in recent days, in spite of renewed scrutiny on the legitimacy of AAA ratings ascribed to risky debts prior to the crisis and his confirmation of the bearish bet in October.
Meanwhile, after referring to a short trade against asphalt and concrete producer Martin Marietta (MLM) at an investor conference in May, Einhorn's been silent on the company's near 40% gain since he first unveiled the trade.
In fact, at that conference -- called Ira Sohn -- Einhorn surprised investors by disclosing a short trade against Martin Marietta instead of a rumored bet against supplements seller Herbalife(HLF) , which Einhorn confirmed Thursday he has no position in.
The Ira Sohn conference was also where Einhorn first referred to the prospect of a $4 to $6 a share preferred dividend paid by Apple, which he continues to press .
But what about Martin Marietta?
Despite comments from Einhorn in May that the company's earnings would fall off a "fiscal cliff" as government stimulus spending on road construction faded and budget austerity measures kicked in, the company has seen earnings and revenue stabilize.
With the company forecast to report growing year-over-year earnings when it discloses fourth-quarter and full-year results this week, Einhorn's short trade may be suffering from an unanticipated recovery in construction and housing markets just as government spending -- the company's largest earnings stream -- faces headwinds.
On Friday, Jefferies analyst Mike Betts upgraded his fourth-quarter and full-year earnings estimates for Martin Marietta and its principal competitor Vulcan Materials (VMC) , citing stronger-than-expected aggregates and cement shipments in the U.S. reported by the likes of international players Cemex of Mexico and HeidelbergCement of Germany.
Given construction spending in the U.S., and particularly the Southeast, Betts now forecasts Martin Marietta will grow overall aggregates shipments, countering previous estimates of a near 4% fourth-quarter decline. As a result, Betts expects Martin Marietta will post fourth-quarter earnings per share of 57 cents, beating Wall Street earnings forecasts by 6 cents.
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (May 21, 2013) - The current U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team Weekly update released on May 21 includes briefs on U.S. players.
FIRST-RED BLUE SCRIMMAGE RESULTS: The U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team played its first Red-Blue intrasquad scrimmage of the summer training block on May 17 at Santa Monica High School, which resulted in five competitive sets. Among the outside hitters, Cassidy Lichtman (Poway, Calif.) notched 18 kills and two aces for a match-high 20 points to go with six digs. Kim Hill (Portland, Ore.) tallied 13 points and Regan Hood (Carrollton, Texas) totaled 11 points, Kelsey Robinson (Bartlett, Ill.) registered nine points with a match-high 16 digs with a 61 positive reception percent while playing libero the first set and outside hitter the rest of the match. Kelly Murphy (Wilmington, Ill.) was credited with 14 points at opposite, while Nicole Fawcett (Zanesfield, Ohio) and Juliann Faucette (San Diego) added 10 points. Cursty Jackson (Los Angeles) led the middle blockers with 12 points, while Rachael Adams (Cincinnati) converted five of six attacks for kills to go with two aces. Stephanie Klefot (Louisville, Ky.) contributed eight digs and a match-best 73 positive reception percent from her libero position, while Tama Miyashiro (Kaneohe, Hawaii) registered eight digs to go with a 50 positive reception percent. Kayla Banwarth (Dubuque, Iowa) added six digs and a 65 positive reception percent. The team used four setters with Jenna Hagglund (West Bend, Ohio) providing a match-high 31 assists and Lauren Cook (Lincoln, Neb.) added 30 assists. Caitlyn Donahue (Overland Park, Kan.) chalked up 21 assists and Courtney Thompson (Kent, Wash.) followed with 20 assists.
TWO MORE RED-BLUE SCRIMMAGES IN MAY: The U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team will hold its second and three May Red-Blue intrasquad scrimmages on May 24 at Windward High School in Los Angeles at 7 p.m. PT. The contest is open to the public with free admission. Irvine Valley College will host the third intrasquad scrimmage on May 31in Irvine, Calif. U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team Head Coach Karch Kiraly plans to incorporate additional Red-Blue intra-squad scrimmages during the summer as a means to provide match-like competition for all athletes training and to build community relations with the Southern California area. The City of Anaheim serves as the official host city of the USA Men's and Women's National Teams.
U.S. WOMEN OPEN SUMMER TRAINING BLOCK: The U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team is in its third week of the summer training block at the USA National Team Center located in Anaheim, Calif. U.S. Women's National Team outside hitters training this week are Kristin Hildebrand (Orem, Utah), Kim Hill (Portland, Ore.), Megan Hodge (Durham, N.C.), Regan Hood (Carrollton, Texas), Alix Klineman (Manhattan Beach, Calif.) and Cassidy Lichtman (Poway, Calif.) The middle blockers corp includes Rachael Adams (Cincinnati, Ohio), Lauren Gibbemeyer (St. Paul, Minn.), Christa Harmotto (Hopewell Township, Pa.), Cursty Jackson (Los Angeles, Calif.), Jessy Jones (Naperville, Ill.), Lauren Paolini (Ann Arbor, Mich.) and Danielle Scott-Arruda (Baton Rouge, La.). The opposites in camp are Alaina Bergsma (Chandler, Ariz.), Juliann Faucette (San Diego), Nicole Fawcett (Zanesfield, Ohio) and Kelly Murphy (Wilmington, Ill.). Setters are Alisha Glass (Leland, Mich.), Jenna Hagglund (West Bend, Ohio), Carli Lloyd (Bonsall, Calif.) and Courtney Thompson (Kent, Wash.). Liberos in training are Kayla Banwarth (Dubuque, Iowa), Nicole Davis (Stockton, Calif.) and Tama Miyashiro (Kaneohe, Hawaii). Additional members of the U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team will return to training later this month and throughout the summer. Further, several athletes who completed their collegiate eligibility will be in the gym at various times during the summer as part of a tryout process to earn a spot on the U.S. Women's National Volleyball Team, while a select group of college seniors-to-be will be in the gym on a short-term basis to help acclimate to the team for a possible return to the team following their college careers.
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Topic: Creating Two Models in One Form
Q: How do I make a form that handles multiple models?
This question is asked quite frequently. Scaffolding and simple Rails tutorials show you how to create one model per form. Unfortunately, sometimes this is not sufficient.
In this article we will make one form that creates two models: Project and Task (where a project has many tasks). What I would like to do is have the first task be created the same time the project is created (in the same form). Here's the new action in the controller:
# in the projects_controller.rb
def new
@project = Project.new
@task = Task.new
Here we are creating the models which will contain the default values - we can set any default values in this action and they will be reflected in the form.
Next we make the form containing fields for these two models. Of course you could add as many fields as you need to for each model:
# in the projects/new.rhtml

New Project

<%= error_messages_for :project %>
<%= error_messages_for :task %>
<%= start_form_tag :action => 'create' %>
Project Name:
<%= text_field :project, :name %>
First Task:
<%= text_field :task, :name %>
<%= submit_tag 'Create' %>
<%= end_form_tag %>
Pretty simple. Now comes the tricky part, the create action. First the code, then I'll explain it.
def create
@project = Project.new(params[:project])
@task = @project.tasks.build(params[:task])
if @project.save
redirect_to :action => 'index'
render :action => 'new'
The @project instance variable is set normally, but what's up with how the task is created? We use a fancy method to help us out here. The @project.tasks.build method creates a task (just like Task.new) and adds it to the @project at the same time. Pretty cool huh?
Next we call @project.save. This method is actually doing a lot. First it checks if the project and all of its tasks are valid. If something is invalid it returns false, otherwise it saves both project and task and returns true. This save method is very convenient and handles everything for us automagically.
Why do we bother setting the @task instance variable you may wonder? We need it in case the validation fails and we render the 'new' form again.
The creation of the project along with the task is finished, but how about editing? Normally, with this kind of set up, I use separate forms for editing. In this case I would list the tasks on the project 'show' page with an edit link next to each one.
If you want to edit all of the tasks on one big form, check out the next article in this series.
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• The Super Bowl will be worth watching (because of) the Eli Manning story." – Bill Gaedke
• "Nuts. Cowboys gone, Seahawks gone, football season is over. Might watch the commercials, though. … Who is Tom Petty?" – Frank Dalton
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This is in response to the "accused child molestor" pop-ups that appear.
I'd just like to say that in no way am I a mad-raving Michael Jackson fan who thinks he's god. I am, however, someone who feels when a person is found not guilty of something, people should drop it.
MJ may be a complete nutter and verging on madness, but I for one don't believe he has a malicious bone in his body, and I don't belive he sexually abused children. I just think he's a deluded middle aged man who doesn't understand why sharing your bed with someone else's child is wrong and disturbing.
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Exiled, so he can pull a Medivh at some point. Of course, he's probably going to mutate into some sort of monster mid-raid, so my preferred outcome is...a little unlikely.
Exiled, so he can pull a Medivh at some point. Of course, he's probably going to mutate into some sort of monster mid-raid, so my preferred outcome is...a little unlikely.
It doesn't matter if we think a retcon is good or bad, well thought out or lazy, helpful or detrimental ot the lore overall. It. Is. A. Retcon. Our opinions don't matter. I HATE the draenei are eredar retcon a lot, but I don't argue against it because it's NOT my decision to make. There is nothing lore breaking about Doomhammer facing Lothar 1 on 1. The story in The Last Guardian, Tides of Darkness, and Beyond the Dark Portal is MUCH more interesting than the 'story' presented in WC 2 anyway. The quick blurbs of text followed by a battle. There's hardly even anything there to defend. And so much more is tied into the novels that they cannot simply be dismissed as 'just novels so their lore doesn't matter.' Like the novels or hate them, they're cannon. I don't like that Med'an is Garona and Medivh's son. I don't like the draenei retcon. But it's not my decision to make. These changes are canon regardless of my opinion. You like the old Doomhammer better before they made him into an actual character and canonized his duel with Lothar? Too bad, it's not your decision to make, no matter how much you hate it. Put your big boy pants on.
The only way out for him is death. Even for such a despicable person such as himself, it would be the honorable way to be removed from power... Also, I'm pretty sure his seat of power would have to be taken from his "cold, dead hands."
I want to see him killed, just not in the way that has been done to villains of the past. I want to have him publicly executed to die the death of a criminal. I want to see him shamed and maybe realize what he did was wrong.
Killed with a prison while in exile.
I shall crush garrosh between my feet as the entire horde scream like cowards in fear as i cut them down by the 100s!! MURHAHA!! NONE SHALL ESCAPE MY WRATH!!! ALL SHALL PERISH UNDER MY FURY!!!!!..i mean umm he needs to die.
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God, I hate this "We hate Garrosh fanclub" and how it snowballed into the stories direction. Whether you like the character or not (him and Varian were actually morally conflicted characters at first= interesting), his involvement in the story gave more interesting new lore than ANYTHING else in the game. Any other interesting storylines shown throughout the actual game have just been us tying up loose ends of WC3.
Maybe it's just me but the son of Grom Hellscream, the same orc who dropped his general off a bridge for killing innocents is always going to more unique, intriguing and MULTI-DIMENSIONAL than characters like Vol'Jin or even Thrall these days. They're trying so hard to make EVERYONE hate him that's he just a giant main villain now(a complete 180 from A LOT of the scenes they showed through wrath/cata). I liked seeing a hot headed Orc who wanted Glory through honorable warfare (something Orcs actually believe in) through Wrath/Cata. I actually like seeing cultural differences between the Horde and Alliance. I don't mind seeing him dethroned somehow, but this whole "GARROSH IZ EVAL" writing sucks, and has kind of tainted the story for me.....just my two cents.
P.S. Redeem ****ing Arthas or Illidan over Garrosh....you gotta be kidding me. You guys must have really hated Grom in WC3 if Garrosh is the pinnacle of "past redemption" for you people.
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Killed even if it is only for what he did against Vol'Jin and my fellow troll race
As for Doomhammer he was much darker in the games lore, but not completely evil, he was a far better character then. To write a more complex story about him is good for him, but to retcon him to another Durotan/Thrall like character isn't.
Opinions are Opinions. Films and books get criticized every day by random people, you can't stop that, and i certainly won't. Deal with it.
That's right, that's the little detail that many always seems to forget, the Warcraft II Tides of Darkness manual Horde story is written by Gul'dan. It's obvious that for the Warlock Doomhammer is a backstabber. We don't have the true details of how Doomhammer became a Warchief, Gul'dan was on a coma at the time and Doomhammer killed all the Shadow Council on Azeroth.
THIS is all just from Warcraft II manual. The retcon wasn't about Doomhammer, it was about the nature of the orcs.
Doomhammer brought more races to the Horde and made deals with humans. Garrosh burned all the bridges built by Thrall. Both have nothing alike.
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It's really good to know the story of these things.
Indeed i got infracted and i'm perfectly okay with it, simply because you deserved it. Yours are not opinions, you are assuming that the books are some "optional" content that aims to screw up the canon lore. This is not an opinion. This is a false statement. The books ARE the canon content, you can deny it until the end of the universe but still they remain canon. That you don't like them is another matter, THAT is your opinion. But what is wrote in the books is absolutely the official content, and nothing that you will stubbornly say will change that.
It's just up to you to accept it or not.
I understood at this point that your argument is that Garrosh attacks and wants to destroy the Alliance for some random feeling of "old hatred" for the Alliance since the previous involvement the Horde had with them. Let's say that this is not completely false, but far from be the truth either. Before Garrosh came to Azeroth he knew little of the Alliance, never encountered a human in his life, just heard stories of the defeat of the Horde. Sure, he wanted to fight them for the Horde, but he couldn't because of the red plox. He was ashamed that he couldn't fight with his father against them, and was indeed pissed to see his people defeated and shattered by the Alliance. But this was before Garrosh came to Azeroth.
In Azeroth he saw that the orcs were far from shattered: they had a huge city, a nation in which they could live free and with all that they needed. At least this is what he thought, initially. Then, he encountered Krenna, with which he had a pretty "heat" talk:
Well, we can all agree that Krenna was quite a whiny bitch. Still, this doesn't mean that she talked nonsense. As you see Garrosh was pretty pissed by Krenna's behavior, but then he talks to Gorgonna:Garrosh raged at her words. "You say you have no duty? You say you are not of the warchief's people? As you stand in this city? Where we can be free to live in our own space without the fear of annihilation? Where we have everything we need?"
"Ha!" she snarled. "Let me ask you this, Hellscream: have you really seen this city? Yes, the marketplace overflows. But where does it come from? Where are the farms in Durotar?"
Garrosh narrowed his eyes. He knew there were a few on the outskirts of Orgrimmar, but they raised mostly swine and certainly brought no harvest of grain or fruit.
"Exactly!" she continued. "There are none. All we have is hauled in from miles away." She glared at the bag where she stored her net. "Or what we can wrest from the desert. As for safety!" She laughed. "The Alliance encroaches farther into our land daily. If you can call this red rock 'land' anyway! To the north is Ashenvale Forest, full of everything we could ever need, but did we settle there? No! Instead we live in a desert! So tell me, Hellscream, why would the good warchief, who loves his people so, condemn us to this wasteland when just up the river there is far more bounty? He is either corrupt or incompetent, or both, and you seem to fit right in!"
That was the last straw.
"Treason!" Garrosh roared. He took a step toward her menacingly. "You dare insult the warchief? Shut your mouth, traitor, or I will shut it for you!"
The answer of Garrosh about the blood of Mannoroth is incredibly important, because is the very detail that makes clear his behavior in MoP: despite all the shame he had for the decision his father took, still he thinks that they "did what they belived necessary". A necessary evil, in fact. No matter how Garrosh tries and would sincerely love to be honorable, to be like Thrall or like Saurfang or like his father and so on, Garrosh in his core is machiavellic. Means justify actions. And this was maliciously hinted in the "present time" part of the short story, with all the mess about Blackscar and the ambush in the Broken Front; Thrall read the letter and literally spat his disgust about it, and then:"Our parents fought in the wars," she said slowly. "They drank the blood of Mannoroth like your father did, and they were parties to its curse. They committed terrible acts in the name of the Horde. They attacked and murdered the innocent."
Garrosh bristled. His father was no murderer. "They did what they believed necessary! Do you defile the name of your own blood?"
"I honor my parents' memory—make no mistake!" she cried. "But what they believed was wrong. What all the orcs believed was wrong. We must suffer for it. The warchief understands this, as do I. My sister does not."
"That is ridiculous. You never even fought in the wars! You said you were children in the internment camps! Isn't that enough punishment? Why should you suffer any more?"
"I bear the mark all the same," she said, holding up her hands—green, as were her sister's, as were all the orcs in Orgrimmar, save him. "I reap what all of them have sown. Is there not some payment owed?"
"And who would set the price?" Garrosh demanded. Her attitude angered him. Did she have no pride at all? "Who could possibly have the right to make that call?"
"I will pay what the warchief asks," she answered.
"Thrall would never be that unreasonable. We don't owe anybody anything."
Gorgonna stared at him a moment, then unexpectedly she laughed just as bitterly as her sister had. "Of course not," she said. "You don't owe anybody a thing, Mag'har. But we are not you."
While in the end he concluded that what happened in the Broken Front was something cowardice and dishonorable, inside him he still belived that has been a "necessary evil" (the evil is not the Alliance bloodshed for him, but the cowardice way of do it, ofcourse) for halt the Alliance by conquering the gate before the Horde. But in the end he will call Blackscar and pwn him with his well known attitude for the matter. But the whole reason for this was:Garrosh remained uncharacteristically silent, instead looking hard at the wooden chips upon the map. He could almost feel Varok's eyes boring into his back, and Thrall's would also soon fall upon him. It was good the Alliance did not hold Mord'rethar; of that Garrosh was certain.
He simply didn't want to "dissapoint" him after the events occured on the Violet Hold with Varian. So he acted steady with Blackscar as Thrall would have loved to see.Shall you be disappointed once again, Warchief?
What this event wanted to prove is that Garrosh, essentially, doesn't like to use "dishonorable tactics", but still, in the end, thinks that when necessary are endurable. The only reason for which he openly condemned Blackscar with a smashing attitude was only because Thrall and Saurfang put a "little" pressure on him, and he didn't want to dissapoint Thrall again. But in the end, the Garrosh that we have nowdays, was already there.
Looking back on his arrival on Durotar, after the talk with Krenna and Gorgonna, his following thoughts estabilish not only the profound despise for the Alliance, but his dislike and distrust for the other races of the Horde:
The Alliance and the other Horde races are, who for a reason, who for another, the whole reason for which the orcs cannot properly defend themselves, and most importantly, the reason for which they cannot prosper as he would love to see. He thinks that the orcs don't need other suffering after all that his race passed in the past years.Garrosh thought that what Gorgonna had said by the lake was absurd. His own father had been the first to drink the blood of Mannoroth, he knew that—by the ancestors, how he knew it; no one would ever let him forget it—but Grom had in turn slain Mannoroth and ended the curse for them all at the cost of his own life. His debt was paid in blood. What more could anyone want?
It was Krenna's words that truly nagged him.
They nagged him when the night elves ambushed lumber caravans from Ashenvale.
They nagged him when soldiers from Tiragarde Keep robbed Razor Hill.
They nagged him when the dwarves of Bael Modan and the humans of Northwatch Hold refused to leave the Horde territory that they had usurped.
None of these things was happening for the first time.
Certainly there had been retaliation, and many of the outposts had rightfully acted in their own defense. Garrosh longed to travel and lend them his support. He would gladly fight to secure them. He would gladly teach the Alliance to leave them alone, to let them take what they needed to survive. Unlike Garadar, Orgrimmar had the might and the numbers to defend itself.
Well, it would have. If only orc forces were not tangled up at Tarren Mill, aiding the Forsaken—an aptly named people, in Garrosh's opinion. What Thrall had ever seen in them, Garrosh could not possibly comprehend.
Still more orcs had been sent to Quel'Thalas. Garrosh's own interactions with the elves in Orgrimmar had left him wondering distinctly why the Horde should bother with them at all. Their respect seemed thin.
And the trolls. Garrosh could barely stand to think of it. Recruit after recruit had been sent to aid them in reclaiming their land to the south, and somehow all attempts had still failed. Apparently this had been going on for years. What kind of people could not even take down a single witch doctor? Was it really going to take a full-scale invasion—yet more diversion of Horde troops—to reclaim a few measly islands?
The more Garrosh thought about it all, the more his rage smoldered. With each passing day, what Krenna had said clawed at his conscience. Garrosh's impatience grew.
But the huge, big problem for which he fails to understand both Thrall and Gorgonna, is that he thinks that the orcs don't need to pay nothing anymore for the mistakes of his father, he gave his life for break the curse and gave freedom to them, problem solved now. But Garrosh simply doesn't understand that what Grom did was something worse than just condemn the orcs to slavery, he turned his race in bloodthirsty monsters that killed men, women and children indiscriminately; and for this failed understanding now Garrosh care a lot about the freedom, the pride and the self-sufficiency of his people, but not at all about WHAT his people do for ensure it. He just bolster their pride, say that they have to take all that they need without ask nothing to no one, and stop.
He cited in Stonetalon what Saurfang said in Northrend without basically understanding a single word, he always did the opposite, now he's just raising up the brutality of the engagement higher and higher, everytime an attempt to crush the Alliance and their opposition fails.
The short story have the entire base of Garrosh's character, is all there. Any subsequent event is tied to it: in Northrend he wanted to prove that the Horde could have be able to destroy the Scourge, while the last thing he wanted was an Alliance that crushed the Scourge by it's own, because would have been like having a "debt" for survival with a despised enemy. When he became the Warchief, all his actions were nothing more than decisions took on those very thoughts: his warmongering attitude in Cataclysm, the attempt to conquer Ashenvale in Wolfheart, and the destruction of Theramore in Tides of War, in ToW he even blames Thrall for be a "weak" peace-lover and the source of all the problems of the Horde; then, the conquering of Pandaria when the one of Kalimdor failed, the usage of the Sha in a desperate attempt to control a power sufficient to finally end the war with the victory of the Horde, and with that attempt failed, now he even put his hands on the heart of an Old God. This is absolutely nothing more than escalation, and when escalations reach their peak, things could only turn horribly bad.
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Mr. Trassk said Doomhammer was honorable, i prooved he isn't and thus can easily compared to Grom and Garrosh Hellscream to an extend. Not only with the faked duel, that originally was an Ambush outnumbering Lothar on his diplomatic Mission to talk with Doomhammer the surrender conditions, meaning a warcrime, but also the story with Blackhand prooved Doomhammer is known as Backstabber in the lore of wow. And i am prefering him that way, as this makes him more distinct to Durotan and Thralls. Since it was the original lore long before wow vanilla even happened and it was in the game, its totally canon for me, no matter what activision/blizzard says about the topic or some forum heroes here. In additon i pointed out, that killing Garrosh even a defeat of Garrosh will be horrible for the conflict Horde vs Alliance that is the essence of these games. We do need no factions after we have dealt with Garrosh.
Before, i dealt with wow i did not even know what a retcon is, i am extremely disgusted by it. Espcially if they are that bad for the original lore. Lets retcon gul dan too, he was good orc after all and just wanted to help his people with sageras power from that tomb...geez.
I'll have it roasted and served hot, thanks.
I wish to see him executed, though as unlikely it WILL happen, but death will please me all the same for Garrosh, just give us a new Warchief, hell even if it's uhh, Loth'whats his name? (can never remember it for some reason... no joke intended by the way)


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This heart-healthy sauce uses lemon juice, herbs, and a small amount of oil.
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size ½ cup
Calories 22
Total Fat 2 g
Saturated Fat Less than 1 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
Sodium 7 mg
Calcium 10 mg
Iron Less than 1 mg
Ingredients and Preparation
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Cauliflower, cut into florets ½ small head
Broccoli, cut into florets 2 cups
Lemon juice 2 tablespoons
Olive oil 1 tablespoon
Garlic, minced 1 clove
Fresh parsley, chopped 2 teaspoons
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- In a small saucepan, mix the lemon juice, oil, and garlic, and cook over low heat for 2-3 minutes.
- Put the vegetables in a serving dish. Pour the lemon sauce over the vegetables. Garnish with parsley.


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C'mon guys, we have already had a base runner after only 2 innings! Hell, we had 1 after 1!
C'mon guys, we have already had a base runner after only 2 innings! Hell, we had 1 after 1!
I just realized I was listening to the nationals broadcast… What the hell is wrong with me?... to my credit the sound was really low
Arroyo lighting up the gun at 86 tonight
Definitely not our best lineup this evening
Stubbs bunting? Not.
stubbs is good
At least he didn't strike out
Finally a stolen base
I'd hate to see our avg w/risp...it's gotta be really bad
Arroyo doesn't have much on the old #1, but that curve is really good tonight.
Votto 2B, Rolen K, Bruce HR... 2-0 Reds
Any other predictions?
lol that hit was hilarious
Rose tripled against Pittsburgh
Rolen can't buy a break. Hit it hard in his first ab right at someone and robbed by Desmond there.
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Sunday, December 30, 2007
I love my roommates!
Thursday night my roomies and I exchanged gifts...since we all went home for x-mas we waited until we got back, and they hooked me up!
My roomie Alex got me two MAC eyeshadows, a blinged out magenta watch from guess-I love it! It matches my personality with the bright wristband and the rhinestones blinging all around the clock face...and now I don't have to keep pulling out my cell phone to check the time. She also got me a cuteeeeee shirt that says "I heart makeup" on it. It was so perfect, I don't even know how she found that for me, I just don't know! I'm definitely going to rock that t-shirt in my next video fa sho!
My roomie Melissa also got me two MAC eyeshadows, in palette pans of course, telescopic mascara, and Benefit Shelaq- Yay! I've been waiting for this product but didn't want to buy it myself cuz it was too expensive, ha ha. I tried it on last night and it was awesome-I put it over my eyeliner and I felt it seal that baby right in. I think I'm going to stick some on during NYE after a wild night of partying to make my makeup last. Melissa also got us an adorable leopard picture frame with a framed pic of us from Miami…I love it! I'm going to have to show this to my kids when I get old so I can show them Mom was doing it!
Melissa's mom also got us matching scarfs and gloves…the kind where the top part of the fingers came be buttoned back so you have the option of having your fingers free. She got me a bright color pink of course, and I'm loving it! She's so sweet-definitely a second mommy to all of this.
Unfortunately my BF already got me the eyeshadows that my roomies purchased, lol. So i'll be treking it to MAC today for an exchange :) of course, you know I don't mind another trip to MAC!
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- yummy411 said...
great gifts!!! oooh i want a shirt like that.. i prob wouldn't get much wear out of it though, cuz i wouldn't want ppl looking at me like.. ughh i can't tell! LOL
sooooo... what MAC will you get in exchange?
- December 30, 2007 at 3:56 PM
- Mrs. Lynne said...
That is sooo sweet of them. I love the shirt!! Good pick. And I LOVE Shelaq too! The blue bottle is just so cute and it make everything stay put. What a perfect beauty invention.
- December 30, 2007 at 5:11 PM
- Vanessa said...
Dang! I want some awesome roomies! hahaha too bad im not in school anymore LOL. Happy New Year Ren Ren!
- December 31, 2007 at 6:05 AM
- MakeupByRenRen said...
LOL oh yummy411, I think you can definitely rock the shirt! So run and get it!
Mrs. Lynne: yup i'm really excited about the shelaq, i think i'm going to wear some tonight :)
vanessa: yah they're pretty awesome, but i'm not in school anymore, lol, we share an apt together...i'm old and graduated for college in 05
- December 31, 2007 at 9:53 AM
- MakeupByRenRen said...
LOL oh yummy411, I think you can definitely rock the shirt! So run and get it!
Mrs. Lynne: yup i'm really excited about the shelaq, i think i'm going to wear some tonight :)
vanessa: yah they're pretty awesome, but i'm not in school anymore, lol, we share an apt together...
- December 31, 2007 at 9:58 AM