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A National Pig Day Reminder: The 'Humane Meat' Myth
Whether the new month is coming in like a lion or a lamb, March 1 is National Pig Day, which, according to its cofounder, has been set aside "to accord the pig its rightful, though generally unrecognized, place" as a smart and social animal. George Clooney and his dear departed companion pig would agree.
And while there are plenty of great ways to celebrate our curly-tailed pals, none of them involves eating pork. Pigs raised and killed for meat spend their entire lives in cramped, filthy warehouses under the constant stress of intense confinement and are denied everything that is natural and important to them before being violently slaughtered.
Now, some folks would like you to believe that you can have your (nonfakin') bacon and a clear conscience, too—but that's a bigger load of, um, manure than even a factory farm generates. Long story short: There is no such thing as "humane meat."
But here's PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk to explain that (and read a cute poem):
The good news is that March is also the month for the annual observance of Meatout, so there's no better time than right now to kick the cruelty habit in favor of healthy and humane vegan foods—and PETA can help you get started!
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love animals .stop
love animals
i love pigs so much i dont see why their treated like that 🙁
It's the animals that need a savior. Animals need to be saved from mankind – and man needs to be saved from himself. Going vegan has a very nasty side-effect: you see how merciless and cruel mankind is. Those poor animals live in the worst kind of hell. 🙁 I used to pray for God to save mankind. Now, I pray for God to rescue the animals.
Our food has become unsanitary. Hormones injections and the unsanitary preparation of food is making folks sick. Hepatic outbreaks occur every year and kill many. Even genetically altered foods have unknown effects on us. Our best bet is to stay away from meats and go veggie. It safer and cleaner and more natural. Too many health hazards these days to fool around with filthy, ill-prepared meat and other boxed treats. Why add to it by eating meat that has unknown additives in it?
I began as a vegetarian and then decided to go vegan and have no regrets, our society now in days is so used to the "western diet" that more meat the better and that is neither healthy nor correct. By killing animals we are not only doing a harm to our health but also doing harm to the environment. Vegans and vegatarians are not only "hippie ANIMAL LOVERS" we are an educated community aware of the damaging effects of a animal based diet , a plant based diet is essential if one wants to not only have a good health (of course in combination with sufficent sleep and exercise) but also stop damaging the planet.
actually, the synthetic meat technology is already available, so there is humane meat. no suffering is involved in making that
I must say, I think that the 'vegetarianism vs meat-eating' and 'cruelty to animals' topics are two a part of two entirely different debates. I am not a vegetarian, because I like meat. I don't, however, enjoy cruelty! I agree that the industry concerned with mass production of meat does tend to overlook the 'humane' aspects, and I also believe that cruelty to an animal is as much a crime as cruelty to humans. Just because the animals are to become meat produce, does not mean they are any less entitled to a good life than, say, the leaders of the industry. It is unfortunate that the market is dominated by this group, when there are respectable independent farms/ farm shops who actually treat their livestock very, very well. I have luckily been able to see for myself just how well the animals are treated in my local farm shop – therefore, I made the decision to only buy from trusted local suppliers as soon as I had control over my food shopping.
Animals kill for need, but humans kill for greed
In the US we need to stop subsidizing the meat industry and start subsidizing healthy, environmentally friendly and animal friendly agriculture. When it's more affordable to buy hamburger than a romaine lettuce salad, society suffers.
I agree with John. Animals have been used for food since the days of antiquities. I agree with Animal welfare but not animal rights.
I believe animals should not be used for any purpose at all. Animals should live free, without being used for anything of benefit to us
I love pigs!!!!
There is no way "meat" could ever be humane, and this is not needed,for anyone to live. I quit meat in 1967, and am now 66 yrs, will be 67 this year. Tradition and habit is why humans do this. PLEASE STOP EATING ANIMALS! They suffer, horribly, and die miserably,because humans "think", they must eat them. ANIMALS DESERVE BETTER>THEY WANT TO LIVE FREE FROM PAIN AND SUFFERING AND TORTURE.
I tried to become a vegetarian but found it difficult to achieve and maintain. So instead we decided to stop buying from commercial meat plants. We life in the city on 2 acres of land. On 1 acre I have a small garden and 20 chickens which we raise for eggs, they lay eggs I collect them none of our hens sit on their eggs. They are not cages they have a coop that they go into at night and come out in the morning otherwise they are completely free range on an organic diet and die of natural causes due to old age and are buried on our lot. I buy pork from a local farmer who raises 100 pigs a year, he has 200 acres of land where the pigs live outdoors. They have a barn and roam freely as they please. He kills them one at a time (no more than 1 per day on order) by a shot in the head, quick, painless no fear. We purchase 1 pig per year around 200lbs. In the fall my husband shoots 2 deer which I process myself insuring NOTHING is waisted. My dog receives the organ meat and ground bone meal as I make my own dog food. I use all the meat, process the fat into lard for cooking. Tan the skin and sell it, the dogs even get to chew on the hooves, there is no waste other than the contents of the stomach and intestines which goes into my compost bin. I buy 1 gallon of milk every 2 days from a local dairy farmer who raises 5 cows on 30 acres of land, they are milked buy hand, fed organic food and allowed to rear and feed their own babies. I make my own butter and cheeses. I live entirely off of the 700lbs or so of meat we get from the pork/deer. All the other foods we buy are organic and vegan.
I tried to be a vegetarian and found it ultimately difficult to do and so decided instead that I would not buy products from commercial meat plants or the other products they sell meat or otherwise. We live in the city and raise 20 chickens for eggs, they have 1 acre of land to roam as they please, a barn they go into when the sun sets and I let them out in the morning. They lay eggs and I collect them (none of my hens sit on their eggs). We d
@JOHN. Haha, oh my, but dont you know that animals crave food aswell? all these crops that kill innocent animals, are fed to animals that also are killed, and what are the rodents doing in MY crops? could it be that there natural enviroment has become crops for cows? chickens? pigs? These places you speak of are VERY uninhabitable for human beings, like where the eskimos are, and did you know that the eskimos life span is shorter then the north american? could that have somthing to do with that they ONLY eat animals? Hell i live in SWEDEN, where the winter can be very ROUGH, there is no problem with Vegan food here, before humans were industrialized we ate Grains, THAT was the NUMBER ONE food, because its UNPREDICTABLE to HUNT animals with sticks and stones, wich a lion or tiger dont need 🙂
humane is is no way a word that should be used when descibing these commercial farms where animals are packed together and never see the outside, never feel grass or soil, never get to root around in the dirt. they are meat factories breeding and raising animals on concrete in prison cells, poked and proded, shot with so many vaccinations that the side of their necks become a hard callus area. put with that personell who are underpaid and overworked taking their frustrations out on these animals by beating them with rods of steel, or kicking them repeatedly with steel toed boots until they hemmorage swell and burst. and these places are doing nothing about it. yes they say they have a no tolerance policy, but thats just for the press. its abuse, its cruel and needs to be stopped
Dear John: I would like to begin by asking how you can respectfully disagree with someone by asking them to kill themselves. Secondly, I would like to point out that the majority of crops grown in the world are sent directly to the meat industry. Removing meat from our diet would both decrease the amount of suffering you have pointed out as well as provide much more food for starving individuals. As for the coexistence with other animals, that has been an issue for humanity since the beginning: war. Some people choose to kill and some choose not to. I am sure you agree war and murder should not exist, so why fight for the slaughter of animals? Finally I agree that we should focus on changing of current conditions because there will always be people with differing beliefs. Please do not go onto a site you have no interest in just to tell the owner to kill themselves.
"Humane meat" is a gimmick, a clever marketing tactic to make people continue eating slaughtered animals without feeling guilt. Animals are mammals as we are. Think deeply about this, and be brave enough to make change. Yes, change is difficult. Change came suddenly for me. After watching videos of animal slaughters I decided I could not continue harming animals. That was my focuse. I stopped eating slaughtered animals immediately, and started on a journey towards becoming a vegan. It has been one year and one month, my mind is at peace and my body feels healthy. If I could do it, anyone can do it. Do it for yourself and the planet. You are brave.
I would respectufully disagree. Growing crops kills animals. Fertilizers pollute streams, pesticides painfully kill rodents and insects. Many crops require clear-cutting forests, killing more animals, many of them "Intelligint" I am not Vegan, nor Vegetarian, because I know it to be inevitable. There is no way humans can exist without animal suffering. You want to truely help the animals, Ms. Newkirk? Kill yourself. It is the only way. There are also many places on earth where people can raise meat but not grow crops. ANd many farms actually do treat there animals quite nicely.(Meaning they are kept humanely-I know how they die blah blah blah.) Please try to convince me otherwise. If oyu can truely convince me, I'll become vegetarian. (I really only eat meat like once a week) The real question is, why don't we eat humans then? If death and suffering is inevitable, what makes canabalism wrong?
Not everyone wants to be a vegan, and I think that is an unreasonable goal. We should concentrate on making the lives of farm animals better. What's wrong with eating cage free, vegetarian fed eggs?
If everyone stopped eating meat, many of the farm animals including pigs would cease to exist. There would be no wild cows or pigs, other than wild boar which would still be killed by many as a nuisance. People would find no value in raising pigs or cows because they wouldn't provide any value to regular people. Dairy farmers might still raise cows, but the dairy industry seems to be even more inhumane than farmers who raise their livestock for meat. Just something I've been thinking about.
The whole reasoning behind humane meat is to HELP influence slaughter plants and producers to use more humane methods. Yes it is not ideal, however it is a step towards influencing producers to treat their animals more humanly. With getting meat buyers to purchase "humane meat" it will influence more producers to treat their animals better and become certified. This can help put the producers that treat their animals poorly out of business. The industry will not change in a day, so with this step it is slowly leading to a better way of handling these animals. With the consumers not wanting to eat uncertified humane meat it can lead to a market for humanely treated animals. This can help reach the goals of treating animals well. I would not discourage "humane meat" even if it is not the ideal situation. It's all in baby steps people!! Things WILL NOT change over night, this is why societies are promoting "humane meat". Like any industry, baby steps will be the change. Meat consumers will STILL eat meat, and saying UNEDUCATED things like how antibiotics are bad (The whole reasoning of antibiotics is for the WELFARE of the animals so they DON'T get diseases and suffer, keep in mind this will NOT be consumed by consumers, the trace of them are long gone before they reach market!) So this is a way to use value added marketing to force the inhumane slaughter plants out of business.
in the eyes of your very own sole, No denying it when you eat meat it's not subjective you are any better then that flesh on your plate.
I was wondering if anyone has turned their attention to the company policy of some big companies that allows them to kill healthy pigs if they breath outside air these pigs are unable to reenter the builing and are killed on the spot as soon as they go outside there are several cases where pigs fall off trucks or squeeze out doors and are unable to be brought back into the barn due to risk of contamination and ar killed and thrown away vegan or not there are plenty of organiazations that want you to donate money to give homeless or poor familys food by helping buy pigs and other animals this is a waste of life from a vegan stand point and a waste of meat from a non vegan point of view but all in all I have reached on conclusion and that is that its a complete waste
Foster Farms recently added "certified humane" label to their packages. People will now buy their product thinking they are supporting "humane" meat.
@tessybu This can be a tricky situation. If money and or extra cooking is the issue offer to do work around the house in exchange for buying your vegan foods and offer to cook and clean for yourself. If they worry about your health educate them on how a well rounded vegan diet can provide you with all your nutritional needs. If they still protest take a multivitamin. If they wont let you because they think its stupid or whatever show them your serious, don't starve yourself to death or anything but don't give in on the first day either. If it all fails you may just have to wait till your old enough to get a job to buy your own food. Hopefully your parents will respect your wishes best of luck to you.
Im fourteen and my parents wont let me become a veagan… any suggestions?
Niko, I understand what you are saying, but please try and understand that we use MORE food to feed one pound of meat than we would to just consume the grain or plants ourselves. There would be plenty of food. Not to mention, the world's air and water quality could greatly improve if our meat consumption was LESS. Runoff from awful conditions contaminate our water and nearby farms with disease, and our air quality is compromised by raising SO many animals for slaughter. They are all treated with antibiotics, so our meat is loaded with stuff that's awful for us. Also, much of this meat will go bad before people can use it. If we could just try and focus on eating less meat, we could help better the lives of many animals and improve our earth and health.
This comment is for the person with the display "me" I cant wait till u go to hell then ull be the sandwiches yum yum 🙂
If every human being would stop eating meat there would not be enough food. It just is not possible to grow enough to supply the demand. How would we decide who would starve to death because eating meat is not ethical? I agree that some animals have horrible lives and that is sad and we should try to improve that greatly, but demanding to stop farming animals for medical research and food alltogether is just naive and stupid.
Meat is murder – unless of course it isn't. If an animal dies of natural causes, eating the animal could be a good way to honor it's life. Remember this too when a carnivore in your presence leaves meat on his/her plate. You may want to eat it just to prevent waste: if it's socially acceptable of course. In other words, reaching across the table to eat your boss's leftover burger might cause problems, but your nephew's…
in response to sb you are wrong. i have bean a vegetarian for 11 months now. even if it took 1 hit to kill them they still killed them 1 by 1 so the first one probably did not see it coming but the others did. so eat what you want but you are wrong.
Why do people get startled over eating horse meat or wearing dog fur but think it's okay to eat pigs and cows or wear other animal skins without any second thought? I try to educate people everyday and they just don't get it. Pigs are really no different than your dog and what makes a horse different form a cow?
plss stop killing don't be devil
All animals should be released ….how people can be so cruel ..I don't eat pig…love animals ….
JUST WATCHED INGRID's HUMANE MEAT VIDEO IT WAS AWESOME AND TO THE POINT !!!!!
Maybe it's because of my background: My grandparents run a small farm where the animals are kept in large, clean, outdoor pens in groups with enough room to run around and are fed a healthy mixture of grains (they own and run their own feed business) and the alfalfa that he grows to the side of their yard. The pigs are sprayed off regularly in the summer months and given a large mud hole in their area to help them keep cool and are often given leftover veggies from the dinner table. When we were children we would play with the piglets (occasionally getting cussed out by my grandfather if we moved too quickly and frightened them) and with the young calves. I became friends with one calf in particular and my grandfather put her in a special pen when I came over so I could still safely get in and pet and groom her without raising fears of me upsetting the other cattle. The goats were allowed to roam free because there were only two and they stayed in the yard. If any of the animals became ill they were quarantined and treated, but didn't receive antibiotics or things other than if they were needed. They were always kept at a healthy weight, I never saw protruding bones or cows trying to wobble because they were too large. The cows' coats were always shiny and usually pretty clean (after a rain storm they got pretty muddy if they left the covered areas, but that's to be expected if an animal is outdoors); my grandfather would go out and clean up the manure on a regular basis so clean was the norm. We were always allowed to pet them and feed them by hand if the animals would let us. My grandpa took me to the slaughterhouse one time when I was eleven or so, he was taking in a couple bulls. It was a small building (they don't take more than ten or so at a time), and it made me sad because he had already explained what was going to happen, but it was over quickly: they tied them to the side wall out back and did it one at a time with one hit each. There was no panic, they didn't even make a sound. I still cried, but it wasn't nearly as traumatizing as it could have been after reading some other people's accounts. While I don't agree with factory farming, I think consuming a small amount of meat from time to time is fine when it comes from farms like these is hardly cruel. I think the way I grew up seeing it done was a humane way: the animals were well cared for and had good and social lives outdoors and though most did die unnaturally it was done in the most humane way possible.
Animals are our friends – not meal!
Help me PETA. I am a new vegetarian and it's going well but I can't imagine no cheese, no eggs. Help me imagine……….. [email protected]
I will celebrate "Pig Day" by smoking a pork shoulder and making pulled pork sandwiches for my family this weekend. Mmmmm pulled pork sandwiches.


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Decision Time Has Come8
Wednesday, January 05, 2011 by Paul Grech
A club that exists to win trophies. Remember when that used to said about Liverpool? And remember when people actually believed it because that is what happened every year?
The way things have unfolded this season, saying such a thing about the club at this present time isn't even funny. Slowly the realisation that mid-table mediocrity is the best that can be expected has filtered through. True, there's still the FA Cup and Europa League at stake but is there really the belief that either one can be won?
Yet, strangely enough, the Liverpool fans won't accept it. And they won't accept a manager who seems to believe that it isn't so bad.
That much has been evident for quite some time but only recently have such feelings been made public. Funnily, though, the reaction by those reporting this – or at least some of them who hate admitting they were wrong in backing Hodgson so strongly last summer and ever since - has been somewhat bitter. It is as if it is the fans who are dishonouring the club's history rather than the results and quality of football that has been played out on the pitch.
This is a group of players that Hodgson inherited is the mantra among those who supported his appointment; a group of players that finished seventh last year. Not to mention that a manager needs time to impose his beliefs and mentality. Of course both are fair points, but much like a magician who draws attention to one hand so as to hide what he's doing with the other, they're also arguments aimed at perpetrating the illusion that it isn't Hodgson's fault.
Nor do Hodgson's defenders explain his tactics; the long balls raining towards Fernando Torres, why Liverpool defend so deep, why the defence can't seem to grasp what they should be doing, why there doesn't seem to be any conviction about the importance of imposing yourself rather than letting others dictate the game.
Those are questions that go unanswered or else, inevitably, blamed on the players who aren't good enough. Which, come to think of it, doesn't stack up as most of these players formed part of the side that got so close to winning the league two years ago. And yes, last season Liverpool finished seventh and played horrendously at times but they were always towards the top end of the league table, not looking worriedly backwards at the relegation zone as has become the norm this year.
For Fenway Sports Group, the time has come to make a very important decision. It might be one that they hoped they wouldn't have to take – more because it didn't fit with their immediate strategy rather than any particular belief in Hodgson - but one that they have to take nevertheless. Accepting the situation as it stands today is tantamount to lowering the high standards that used to be set for Liverpool FC, which also equates to an insult to the club's history and those who worked so hard to make it so great.
If that's the case, then it's probably unfortunate for them that the fans won't be accepting that any time soon.
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- Anonymous said...
sign the petition
- 12:03 am
- Anonymous said...
paisleygates has the link to the petition please sign it and get everyone you know to do likewise.
- 12:15 am
- Anonymous said...
I am so excited that my hero King Kenny will be in charge and in the dugout against manure this weekend.
- 12:42 am
- Monster66 said...
Surely the most pressing thing for our owner to consider is the possible influx of new players this month? Should they spend money on attack minded, flair driven players only to have them tutored in mediocrity by Roy? Wasting the second half of the season teaching them the way of Roy when he clearly won't be here for next season's opener?
- 1:01 am
- A fan for 24 years said...
That decision should have been made a long time ago. The fans are aghast that FSG is still pondering over it. Roy should have been sacked much earlier. Unless Mr. Henry is just like the much hated cowboys and like to indulge in B.S and share the same mediocrity mindset as Clueless Roy. Appoint King Kenny in the interim and you can see an instant lift, i guarantee that (to borrow from Rafa). Mr. Henry, please sack Roy NOW, while its still not too late. (Oh just in case you forget, he got Blackburn relegated, yes the very team that had beaten us convincingly)
- 4:29 am
- Anonymous said...
As a leader Rh has failed, a team shows the characteristics or what you communicate to your troop r players. No doubt, Rh is having undermining the confidence of players r communicating our team is not strong enough to win away match we must be on the defensive etc this may explain the deep sitting to defend and Above all the AWAY RECORD of RH as manager speaks for itself. Teams are motivated coz LFC does not travel well at all , the teams hve a different mindset we can beat LFc.
- 6:31 am
- corry said...
The problem is that nearly most of the players are Rafa's players, they are all drilled in the 4-2-3-1 formation with zonal marking, this was the Liverpool way for 6 years. Then a new manager comes in says forget everything that Rafa taught you, lets mark man to man and play 4-4-2. Most of the players then become confused, then they start to lack belief when the results are so poor, then finally they give up and play like 11 individuals not interested anymore.
This isn't Roy's fault, it is the boards fault for appointing him knowing he was an old school 4-4-2 man who would demand little respect in the dressing room because he has not won anything of note in his career.
Roy really has give it 100%, I truly believe that he has tried, but he was always the wrong man at the wrong time at the wrong club, it's not his fault, if I was offered the managers job I would say yes too as I'm sure we all would.
Roy has to go but really the slagging off should be reserved for Christain Purslow, he was the know it all who knew **** all.
- 7:32 am
- Firas said...
god this is painful and our ex players still backing Roy and making excuses for him and still slinging mud at Rafa have become just memories of heroes who are now no more than garbage to step over in the street.
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About the Author: Mitul Desai serves as as Senior Advisor for Outreach for South and Central Asian Affairs.
Tomorrow, the Department of State will host the U.S.-India People to People (P2P) Conference. Ahead of President Obama's visit to India, this event will highlight the crucial role of Indian-Americans in the U.S.-India relationship. Secretary Clinton has been clear that connecting with all citizens, not just government officials, is essential to cultivating long-term relationships. While government cooperation remains essential, it is the myriad people-to-people connections that continue to define and further deepen the U.S.-India partnership.
The P2P conference will provide a grassroots discussion forum on four areas important to both countries: renewable energy, global health, education, and economic empowerment. By bringing together innovators and thinkers in these fields, this conference seeks to strengthen the personal networks that spark innovation. We aim to continue working with Indian Americans and others to strengthen and leverage such networks for the mutual benefit of both our countries. Tomorrow's conference is only the start of our conversation, and we look forward to following up with all the conference attendees and participants.
You can stay connected to the conference by following the Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs on Facebook and Twitter.
The People-To-People Conference will be hosted by the U.S. Department of State in cooperation with the Indian American Leadership Council (IALC) and the American India Foundation (AIF) in the Loy Henderson Auditorium from 12:30 p.m. to 5 p.m. on October 28, 2010. The program will consist of panel discussions related to the five pillars of the U.S.-India Strategic Dialogue, specifically Renewable Energy, Global Health, Education and Economic Empowerment. Under Secretary of State for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs Robert D. Hormats will provide opening remarks. USAID Administrator Dr. Rajiv Shah will give the keynote address and Indian Ambassador to the U.S. Meera Shankar has been invited to give closing remarks. Other senior U.S. government officials will also be in attendance and participating in the various conference sessions. Click here for more information.
Palgye in South Korea writes:
India in the 3rd world without losing the initiative a new economic and social system, while maintaining the developed countries maintain policies that continue to invest a lot in trying to keep dissonance is thought to occur. bollywood? I think it is a good example.
Bollywood? I think it is a good example. Outside of the active and growing public support, but the movie is the oppression of the majority of the members of society about the customs of the Old World Social eoknulrimeul eliminate the role of a surrogate as the film was a huge consumer class that showed the potential for Bollywood and India must think about my opinions.
The Academy Awards are still a problem even though, who gave you the award and a lack of awareness as to whether to keep thinking hemendaneun. The obsession with race and tradition, not a bad thing that (-_-), ability to think that the great Indian leaders. Choose to believe. Or, waiting time is moderate? To them .....
I'm more of a problem, but in
When the Republic of Korea to host the G20 countries are coming closer to the little. However, the Republic of Korea rallies, freedom of association and the nation, few expressed the opinion, I think the country is possible. Intervention, I think. If possible, I, along with a few to hold a rally in the developed world that the Republic of Korea would like to announce that. If you want to hit, do .....
Since someone was bothering at Pohang, the person examined, if I need help. In all respects,
MB and his brother's favor is - whether violence or financial pressures, putting Dharma, people in need while making their selection methods, and still think so.
North-Korea is .............................
Palgye in South Korea writes:
2011`s issue is "energy"
more talking is after election. election, maybe, change issue.
Job? come from energy industry.
Pamela G. in West Virginia writes:
Keeping good relations with India is imperative they have the second highest populationin the world . We need to keep on their good side and ask for favors from them too.
Ashim K.C. in India writes:
It is wonderful to learn that P2P conference is going to take place following the press conference on President's trip to India. One expects that content and tenor of conference would be same as they were in the press conference in white house. Though India signing convention on supplementary compensation for nuclear damage, news on defense and civilian deals worth US$ 12 bn, Hadley etc are doing rounds in media and are being interpreted critically as signs of UPA government sell off to US big business one's sense is all these media diatribes shall not makee much impession in India immediately nor hopefully ultimately in long run.
One sensitive issue, which has to be addressed is the issue of outsourcing. Understandably President seems to be quite committed on it, which sparks off concerns in India. If these concerns are addressed by the business delegation members, it would be good. One read that there was mention of Indian being the second largest investor in USA and that deals that would be signed during President's visit would create fifty to sixty thousand jobs in USA. One is sure that as economic cooperation widens, India is quite capable of creating more jobs in USA. USA has to appreciate that whatever potential that USA is wanting to harness in India is largely the result of barely quarter of population of India emerging as middle class - their habit of savings and disposable income. If US India economic cooperation or for that matter cooperation with any other country can push the remaining three quarter of India's population to middle class level, potential of increased trade and commerce shall be that much more.
In this context, there is need to look at two things- Civil Nuclear Cooperation as a mechanism for substituting ultimately India's oil based energy needs, which is the factor for India's adverse balance of trade. Surely, in a situation where India saves substantially or fully on oil bill, India can be huge driver of stabilising western economies. Secondly, for more of India's billion plus population to join the ranks of middle class, Indo-US cooperation must focus on programs in India, which empower the rural India and people lower down in economic hierarchy in urban India. Food processing industry, focus on second green revolution and creation of urban infrastructures in villages as concieved by Ex-President of India Dr Abul Kalam can go a long way in accomplishing these.
US must realise the full implication of vibrant Indian democracy. Public issues are discussed and debated in great depth by more people than perhaps anywhere else in the world. Everything and the way things shall be said about the President's visit shall be followed intently and certainly in bits and phases by close to anything between 30 to 40 crore people thanks spread of electronic media and vernacular press. Therefore, the President's visit is great opportunity and can do to US and India and impact the future of world far greater than what Kissinger Nixon visits to China did. Significant things are happening in India. Success of Commonwealth inspite of what seems like rampant corruption has brought brought into once again the need of removing corruption, which dampens India's growth potentials. Leftist ideology is literally breathing it's last. Those who indulge in divisive politics are still well entrenched in cow belt in India but are under severe attack from secular forces.
But there is no great hurry from Indian point of view. Indians by nature are patient. India can wait till beyond President Obama's visit. It is not implied, however, things will not happen and relations won't move forward without being detrimental to any country including China and Pakistan. In fact one expects strong diplomatic intitiatives between India and China on climate related issues and clean technology and cooperation among US, India, Russia, Germany, Japan, China, Brazil and South Africa for reform of UN, expansion of security council and amending UNSC decision making process by simple or two third majority and majority decisionof veto power.


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More than 459K eligible for health insurance premium tax credits in 2014
MARSHALL – Calling it a "doorway to quality health care" for Minnesotans, Families USA, a national organization for health care consumers, this week released a report that shows that nearly 460,000 Minnesota residents will be eligible for premium tax credits in 2014 to help pay for health coverage under Minnesota's new health insurance exchange.
The report, called "Help Is at Hand: New Health Insurance Tax Credits in Minnesota," includes county-by-county data, which reveal how many Minnesota families in different income brackets (ranging as high as $94,200 for a family of four) would soon be protected from having to spend more than a set percentage of their income for health coverage.
Families USA, a non-profit, non-partisian group, says that under the Affordable Care Act, the premium tax credits take effect in January 2014, following an enrollment process that begins in October. The tax credits will be determined on a sliding scale based on income – those with the lowest incomes will receive the largest tax credits, ensuring that those who need it most will get the greatest financial assistance.
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Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, said the Affordable Care Act will provide an opportunity to extend health care coverage by enabling states to expand Medicaid programs up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level, with the federal government paying 100 percent of the costs for the first three years and no less than 90 percent thereafter. Individuals can also purchase coverage through the individual marketplace, he said.
The tax credits will help Minnesotans purchase health insurance that meets their specific needs under the new health insurance exchange which is being set up in Minnesota.
The new exchange will offer a range of plans with four different coverage levels (bronze, silver, gold and platinum). How much a family will have to spend on premiums will vary depending on whether they choose a plan that is more or less expensive than the silver plan. Those who choose the silver plan will receive additional help with copayments, deductibles and other cost-sharing.
Pollack said individuals and families will not have to lay out the amount of the tax credit premium subsidies and wait to get reimbursed. Rather, the IRS will pay out the tax credit premium subsidies, and the individual or family only has to pay the remaining portion of the premium.
"This reaches deeply into the middle class and moderate-income families," Pollack said. "It's provided on a sliding scale, so the people with lower incomes will get larger tax credit subsidies."
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In terms of statewide eligibility for Minnesotans, the report says people with annual incomes between $47,100 and $94,200 for a family of four (incomes between 200 and 400 percent of the federal poverty level), will make up about 57 percent of the Minnesotans eligible for the tax credits.
More than 12,300 residents in area counties – Lincoln, Lyon, Redwood and Yellow Medicine – will be eligible for premium tax credits, the report said. That includes 11,350 employed (full and part time) and 1,030 unemployed residents (those out of the workforce and those not looking for work). Of those, 19.6 percent are under age 18; 37.6 percent are 18-34; 29 percent are 35-54; and 13.8 percent are over 55.
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A federal deadline required each state that chooses to form its own exchange program to have passed a bill by the end of March, with enrollment to start Oct. 1.
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If anyone has any questions or feedback I am all ears.
Remember also that Di Fara is a 15 minute walk or 5 minute train or car ride from Lo Duca so you can always kill two birds with one stone if you are so inclined.
With all due respect to Dom, I wouldn't advise anyone to try di Fara after eating your pies -- they better be prepared for a big drop in quality.Dan
Have you eaten one of Johnny's pies Dan?
I have not. However, just as I feel confident that TXCraig's pizzas taste pretty darn good, I think I could take a guess at how Johnny's pies would be. In my opinion, pizza is one of the few foods where one can get a rather good idea of what it is going to taste like just by looking at pictures. Of course, people could add hot sauce to their tomatoes or leave salt out of their dough without my knowing...
I hear you. I was just curious about your use of the word "quality" as it is my understanding that di Fara uses extremely top shelf ingredients.


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Elpida Memory and ProMOS Technologies announced on Friday the signing of a DRAM foundry agreement. This agreement marks the beginning of business cooperation between the two companies and will allow both to benefit: Elpida will gain additional capacities, while ProMOS will get fabrication technologies.
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Following up to the previous article I had written to cover the trade deadline; this will cover the rest of the fantasy notable trades that happened at or near the deadline. It was a rather light fantasy altering trade deadline, but there were a few changes as I noted in the previous article and these are the rest of the deals that may make a difference on your fantasy team.
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Many of us write in to the editor when we want to complain about something that is or isn't being done. I've done that in the past, and I'm sure there will be reasons to do it again in the future.
However, to be fair I am now writing to commend and thank the City Manager, Street Commissioner and all the city workers responsible for the current downtown snow removal policies and actions. In the past, we have waited days after major snowfalls for Minnesota Street to be plowed. Now on the first night snow has been plowed into manageable piles along the street. This at least, allows our customers to park on either side of the snow piles. These piles are then completely removed by the following night.
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Tim,Judging from your recent poll on pizza consumption and the number of pizzas you have been making lately, when you have used up your current allocation of KASL you may want to read the topics at this thread: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=1140.new#new. I think you are a prime candidate for the 50-lb. bag .Peter


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can I get a latte grande?
But no, BHM'sBH instead went on to talk about how he can tell who works for an American company when they open their mouths at Starbucks and say "Can I get a..." instead of "Can/May I have a...". If you ask to get a coffee, by his reasoning, you're asking to come (a)round to the other side of the counter and fix yourself a coffee. BH agrees with BHM'sBH that in the context of ordering a coffee can I get a means 'can I get myself a'.
Checking out can I get a on Google UK, some of the examples are:
can I get a qualification?
Can I get a regular health check at my GP surgery?
can i get a gmail invite?
Can I get a refund of unused portion of a season ticket...?
Can I get a refund on my parking permit?
Can I get a business grant to start up a new business in the Harrogate district?
Most of these are from FAQs, and are sincerely about ability ('Am I able to get a refund? How do I do it?'), rather than requests for things to be given. That's not surprising, as writing Can I get a decaf latte? on my website is unlikely to result in a hot beverage showing up beside me. (That's what yelling to BH in the kitchen was invented for.) The gmail invite example is the only one that stands out as a UK-located (but not necessarily UK) person requesting something using can i get a.
BrE speakers have no problem with saying I got a coffee on my way to work, meaning 'I took a coffee away from someplace where I ordered it'.
In can I get a, get is the converse of give:
Can I get a coffee (from you)? = Can you give me a coffee?
But it's not that the get/give opposition is American-only: on UK Google, one gets twice as many hits for get presents as for receive presents. Since one typically doesn't go and get one's presents from the giver ( one tends to passively receive them), it's clear here that British folk have the lexical/logical wherewithal to understand can I get a as a request.
I think is the real problem is that one learns early the 'polite' ways to ask for things, and this way is not in the British canon of polite requests. While get can mean a passive action of receiving, it also has other senses that are closer to take--which probably colo(u)rs people's perceptions of get's connotations. So, if you're brought up on saying can I have a, then can I get a might sound a little more greedy/impolite.
But why doesn't it sound less polite to American ears? (Especially if it's a relatively new locution there too?) Three possibilities, which don't rule one another out:
1 - Perhaps it does sound less polite to Americans too. To me can I get a sounds a little more brusque and self-cent(e)red than can I have a. (But maybe I've been influenced by my surroundings.)
2 - Perhaps it is slightly less polite in both dialects, but it's less important to sound "polite" in America. (The word polite is a bit loaded here. I'm using it to mean something like 'indirect/genteel'.) The US is known for its solidarity politeness system and for its individualistic culture. In a solidarity culture, one wants to act as if everyone's on the same social level. The UK is historically a deference culture, in which people's societal roles are more distinguished and great pains are taken not to inflict oneself on others unnecessarily. The UK has been shifting toward solidarity styles since at least the second world war, but is still not as far along that path as the US. The importation of (and unease with) can I get a may be a symptom of that shift.
3 - Or perhaps it's just that anything that sounds American grates on British ears and sounds less polite, just by association with Americans and stereotypes of Americans.
I think it's probably a combination of all of these.
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That reminds me of how my mother used to react to the phrase "Can I...(insert phrase)" when asking for something. Her response was often, "I don't know, can you go to Susan's house?" implying that I may not be physically able to go. I would then have to respond, "May I go to Susan's house." Of course, now that I am a mother myself, I inflict that kind of thing on my son. But danged if he doesn't know the difference between "Can I" and "May I."ReplyDelete
I had not thought about "Can I get..." as being anything more (or less) than a request. However, it would probably be more appropriate to say "May I get," but that sounds very wrong. "May I have" sounds better. But to my American ears, it sounds like a question you would ask yourself, not others.
- Anonymous15 June, 2006 23:01
'Indirect/gentile'? Does that mean that Jewish people are less inclined to circumlocution? Or should that be 'genteel'?ReplyDelete
How embarrassing--and I know better!ReplyDelete
(Of course, I'm sneakily changing it now, but if I were really sneaky, I'd delete your comment and pretend it was always written correctly!)
Well, I was sneakily anonymous, so you would be justified in doing so - although it was because I didn't have a user name!ReplyDelete
It's only fair to identify myself now, to give people the chance the critcize me in return : )
If you ask to get a coffee, by his reasoning, you're asking to come (a)round to the other side of the counter and fix yourself a coffee.ReplyDelete
'Fixing' (yourself) a drink, or a meal, is an AmE way of 'making' it in BrE, isn't it? :)
- Anonymous04 April, 2007 01:21
Although I've lived in several states, I now live in Colorado, which (so I'm told) is somewhat notorious for having no accent and for having absolutely standard American English ways of saying things. I work in a coffee shop, so I get to hear all sorts of ways of ordering lattes. I usually ask "What can I get for you today?" (in which case, "Can I get..." is a perfectly reasonable way to begin a request) before the customer orders, but if I haven't asked yet, "can I get" can tend to sound a little too impatient. It really depends on how the speaker says it and whether the person looks like he/she should know better manners and/or grammar. However, "may I get" or "may I have" sounds too much like you're asking a favor, rather than ordering a drink for which you intend to pay. I tend to say and hear "could I get a...,please?"/"could I please get a...?", or "I'd/I would like...,please". :)ReplyDelete
- Anonymous05 April, 2007 19:51
I'm in the US, and "Can I get a..." sounds brusque to my ears. I would say "I would like a..."ReplyDelete
Bliss! I thought it was just me! I deliberately did not Google this issue till after I'd written about it, and now I have, and here you are. Marvellous. My rant on this topic - which is much less well-written and interesting than yours (but hey) is here:ReplyDelete
- which would be a link, if I had a clue, but as I do not, it may be almost any kind of mess. :)
I am so pleased to discover that others have noticed this usage. Thanks for writing about it.
At least in my experience, "Can I get a..." IS used in England whil(st) placing an order at a fast-food counter, although not as frequently as in AmE. Here in New Jersey, where I'm currently living, it's pretty much the only phrase used at, say, McDonald's; "I'd like a #5 Extra Value Meal" seems unduly formal, and "May I please have..." even more so.ReplyDelete
And this brings up the use of the hash(BrE)/pound(AmE) sign to mean "number", which AFAIK is unknown in Rightpondia. Unless you've done it already and I missed it, it seems like a good idea for a new post?
- biochemist12 May, 2009 23:34
Brusqueness in shops - when it was more common to ask for groceries over the counter, rather than pick them off the supermarket shelves, I used to bridle when American women (must have been from an Air Force base in the UK) said 'give me one of those also' instead of 'please give me' or 'I would like one of those too'.ReplyDelete
Of course, Brits sound like oafs to the French, because we don't begin each shoppping transaction with 'Bonjour, madame'.
- Anonymous17 May, 2009 15:30
My sense is that "can I get an X" is restricted to take-aways: can I get a coffee [to go]. I haven't been in the US for a while, but I doubt many would use it seated in a restaurant ("can I have/I'll have" would be more likely). If visiting a friend, "can I get a glass of water" would almost certainly mean, "can I go and get myself one."ReplyDelete
I thought his complaint was going to be about the stupid size system at Starbucks which I refuse to cave to!ReplyDelete
My former employer changed the named from 'management team' to 'leadership team' as they felt they didn't really manage but lead. I think if they asked the staff they do neither.
I've been in the UK 7 years now and I often don't know if what I'm saying is BrE or AmE anymore. I do recall a common phrase in the UK that to my Am ears sounded like the person/company wasn't all that interested in helping me, that perhaps my request was a burden... "We are dealing with your request" (at the ATM) or "We will deal with your request within X business days" (when sending an email to help desk for example).
I'm not sure why I felt that this was so unhelpful and now for the life of me I cannot remember what we say/use in the US that seemed so much friendlier to me. I do remember fighting for use of a different phrase when I was helping develop a system that would send automated emails when someone contacted us though.
- Anonymous18 August, 2011 15:04
In the US we will handle or process your request.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous09 September, 2012 17:14
I work in a bar which serves food and it bothers me when a customer orders with "can I get a..." rather than "can I have a...". Get implies an action which the requester doesn't perform a thus seems totally redundant. Does it make sense to ask someonedan for a drink in a way that implies you're going to help yourself then wait for the server to bring to you? To me it seems condescending.ReplyDelete
Very interesting. In my house growing up (in the 80's and 90's) if I asked "Can I Have a soda?" my mom would say yes. But she would not "get it for me" She would "get if for me" if I asked her "Can I get a soda?"ReplyDelete
While in London, I asked an acquaintance who was born and raised in England what were some ways in which Americans might unintentionally offend while visiting the UK. (He had lived in the U.S. for several years.) He told me that it is perceived as very impolite when an American orders in a restaurant by saying "I'll have the ____" rather than "May/Can I please have the ____?" I was very grateful that he shared this with me as I had no idea of the difference in accepted ways of ordering food in our two countries.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous02 February, 2014 09:20
When there's a big sign outside, a menu fixed (yes,fixed) to the window, a plurality of tables bedecked with cutlery, decorative and marketing materials, and a man standing next to you with and a notepad and pen, it would seem to me that saying "May/Can I please have the ____?" is a bizarre way of pretending they're not desperate to sell you any number of items they've already made very clear they are offering. The "May/Can I please have the ____?" form belongs very much in circumstances where there is absolutely no obligation or prior offer to comply, such as when making a request as a guest in someone's home.ReplyDelete
Or maybe that's what we Brits like to pretend is happening when we go to a restaurant?
I can remember the first time I heard "Can I get ..." and it came out of the mouth of my best friend, Dave.ReplyDelete
I can't name the time or place, but it was certainly more than 30 years ago.
And yes, we were in a deli or fast-food joint ordering at the counter. "Can I get ..." sounded utterly alien to me and still does, though it wouldn't be long before I'd discover it had become the default locution in such situations (in the northeastern U.S., where I've lived most of my life).
I'm guessing Dave picked it up in college while living in Boston. I've known him since we were young adolescents, so if he used it before then -- well, I suppose I may have been too young to notice it (though, given the way it leaped out at me when I first heard him say it, I don't think so).
In the decades since I'm fairly sure I've never switched to it -- even once. Anything other than "I'd like a ..." or "Can I have a ..." would make me feel I'd somehow given in to an urge counter to my sense of self-respect.
I don't think I've ever mentioned it to Dave, either.


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Jens Pulver's controversial UFC debut
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Hardcore fans will remember UFC 22 for one fight -
Frank Shamrock's
historic bout against
Tito Ortiz
for the UFC
Championship. However, this same event introduced the MMA world to two other fighters that would go on to become icons -
Matt Hughes
, and the fighter this article is about,
Jens Pulver
. Pulver had his first sanctioned MMA fight at the Bas Rutten Invitational in April, 1999. Jens had incredible wrestling accolades under his belt by the time he dipped his toes in MMA, which started in underground tournaments where the lightweight often battled against heavyweights. With a very minor knowledge of submissions, courtesy of a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu purple belt he met named Alfredo, Jens relied on that wrestling pedigree to out-maneuver and out-position his opponents.
It was after one of these underground shows that Jens met Lowell Anderson, owner of a BJJ academy in Boise, Idaho (and
currently operates a school in Nevada
). Anderson saw great potential in the raw Pulver, and offered to train him and get him ready for his first fight on the records. With one month to get ready for the tournament, Jens was hesitant, but after hearing that UFC matchmaker John Perretti would be in attendance, it was an offer that Pulver could not refuse.
At the inaugural Bas Rutten Invitational in Colorado, Jens won his first fight by TKO after battering Curtis Hill to the point that his corner threw in the towel. When it came time to fight his second opponent in the tournament,
David Harris
introduced Jens to toeholds, and gave him his first loss in the same night. Despite that setback, Perretti was impressed by Pulver and informed him to come back at the next event, and if Pulver continued to impress, he would get a UFC contract to compete in the newly formed bantamweight division. Pulver did just that, plowing through Ray Morales and future UFC lightweight
Joe Stevenson
at the BR Invitational 3 to earn that chance in the UFC.
The dilemma was that Jens knew he could not train the way he needed to for this fight while staying in Boise. Before what would a turning point in his life, Pulver picked up the phone and called Bob Shamrock. Bob was the adopted father of Ken and Frank Shamrock, and had helped to train the other members of The Lion's Den, which at the time was one of the leading MMA gyms in the US. When
Ken Shamrock
left the MMA world to join the WWF, Bob started a new gym, "Shamrock 2000", where he continued to work with fighters like Jerry Bohlander, Mikey Burnett, and
Pete Williams
Immediately, Bob was telling Jens all of the things he wanted to hear, from looking at tape footage, to how to defend submissions. In Jens' autobiography,
Little Evil: One Ultimate Fighter's Rise to the Top
, Pulver talked about his first call with Bob:
As I listened to Bob Shamrock talk, I felt emotions well up inside of me. Here, at last, was the man I had been looking for, the man who could tell me how things were... When Bob finished his pep talk, he told me that if I still thought that Shamrock 2000 could help me, then he would fly me out to his place in Lodi, California, whenever I was ready.
Jens flew out as soon as he could, and walked into the doors of the underwhelming gym:
"There, behind a pile of ancient weight-lifting equipment, was a ring, a mat, and several heavy bags. Although it wasn't what I'd expected... I found myself smiling from ear to ear. It was an honor just to be in the gym where some of the world's top warriors had developed their skills."
Pulver got to trade blows with the likes of UFC veteran Cal Worsham and Erich Krauss, and roll with Valeri Ignatov (who was on the same UFC card as Jens, but had the unfortunate luck of facing Matt Hughes) and Steve Heath. By the end of his time training at Shamrock 2000, Pulver was more than ready for his big shot in the octagon.
"UFC 22: Only One Can Be Champion" took place at the Lake Charles Civic Center in Lake Charles, Louisiana on September 24, 1999, exactly seven months after his pro debut. Pulver's opponent was 5' 7" Alfonso "Alfie" Alcarez, who was known for his Muay Thai skills, but also won the 1989 Junior Nationals in Wrestling in Nevada and was part of the 1990 All-American Dream Team.
The two combatants blasted each other with everything they had in them, leaving it all in the cage. After a grueling 10 minute war that had the crowd on its feet, Pulver had his hand raised as the victor by decision. However, 30 minutes after being declared the winner, UFC officials headed to the locker room to inform Jens that the fight had been declared a draw instead. Jens was crushed, and told that there would be a rematch in the near future to settle the score. While this meant Jens had a second chance in the UFC, it also meant he did not officially get a "win" in his company debut.
Compounding the rage of his win being turned into a draw, Jens soon got the unfortunate news from Bob that "Shamrock 2000" would be closing its doors due to not earning enough money to stay afloat. However, Bob did not leave Pulver on his own for long, and told him to contact two guys in Iowa - Monte Cox and Pat Miletich.
Pulver never got his rematch with Alcarez, but what he did get was the chance to meet the man that would help mold him into a champion that fans learned to love. His opponent, Alcarez, continued to fight in MMA as well as pro kickboxing, but was never able to rack up a "W" on his MMA record after the Pulver fight. Bob Shamrock sadly passed away in January, 2010, but his legacy lives on with his fighters.
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i feel after the year it would be a good time to take a break from the gallery . ive involved for over 2 years in the day to day running of it without a holiday from it . I did this last year but it didnt last too long . this time it will .
So from December on, i wont be coming to meeting until the summer . ill still keep reading the bb and so on and i will still be involved in the map project .
In my time away i will have time to work on personal projects related to the map project and get a bit of perspective on the gallery .After a long time you tend to get settled and lose that edge . The gallery needs energy . i think we have already begun to change the way it works . and i need to do a bit of research outside of it without the worries of running it .
i will also do the posters for promo if you wish or any design related jobs you have .
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Village board to choose Saranac Lake 6er brew
SARANAC LAKE – Mayor Clyde Rabideau and the village Board of Trustees will visit the Blue Line Brewery after their meeting tonight to pick what will become the official "Saranac Lake 6er" beer.
The "6er Beer" to be brewed at Saranac Lake's newest and only brewery is part of the promotion strategy for the Saranac Laker 6er concept the village unveiled last month. The program encourages visiting hikers to climb six mountains in the Saranac Lake area: Mount Baker, Haystack Mountain, McKenzie Mountain, Scarface Mountain, Ampersand Mountain and St. Regis Mountain.
The village is licensing its recently developed and trademarked Saranac Lake 6er logo to Saranac Lake vendors of beer, food, apparel and gear, all of which will be locally made and marketed.
The village, in a press release, said the chosen 6er beer will be bottled in one-gallon "growlers" that will sport the 6er logo. Based on comments posted on the Saranac Lake 6er Facebook page, the village said most hikers prefer an IPA, or Indian Pale Ale.
The 6er program officially kicks off on May 25, the first day of Memorial Day weekend, and continues indefinitely. Registrants will start at Berkeley Green, and the first hiker to return and ring "The 6er Bell" that will be erected in the park will become Saranac Lake 6er Number 1.
All finishers can apply to the village for certification and receive a patch and bumper sticker, featuring the new 6er logo, and their official number, which is given in order of application receipt.
For more information about the program, visit www.facebook.com/SaranacLake6er.


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Dan Seemiller knows table tennis, drawing from years of professional competition, international-level coaching, and his love of the game.
Seemiller was the #1 player on the U.S. table tennis team from 1973 to 1983. He was U.S. singles champion 5 times and doubles champion 11 times, winning 8 years in a row. In 1977 he and his doubles partner made the quarter finals of the World Championships--the first U.S. team to go that far in international competition. During his playing career, Seemiller reached a world ranking of #19.
Seemiller, who coached the U.S. National Men's table tennis team in 1988 and 1989, has been teaching table tennis at clinics and camps for more than 20 years. He is the inventor of the American Seemiller grip, which combines two other popular grips to provide better racquet control.
Past-president of the United States Table Tennis Association (USTTA) from 1990 to 1995, Seemiller was unanimously inducted into the USTTA Hall of Fame in 1995. He now coaches and travels throughout the world, giving clinics on table tennis and producing instructional videos. For more information on Seemiller's clinics and videos, call 412-884-5864.
Seemiller lives in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, with his wife, Valerie, and their children, Sara and Daniel, Jr. He enjoys golf, softball, and yard work.
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Here's how RW members rated this race in the past (593 votes).
In short: a fantastic multiple terrain race from the severn vale rising up to the cotswold escarpment , one big climb at midpoint then some genuine cross country with a splash 1 mile outDate of review: December 6, 2005
In short: A run I always love and come back for.In full: I have marked the Slog down this year. This is mainly caused by the ditch - I was assured at the beginning that it would improve on last year, but it was worse. As one of the people who was directed round the ditch by the marshalls, I object strongly to the shouts of 'cheat', I always want to do a full event and don't like shortcutting, and it is not good to have fellow runners shout at you. The other problem was that, as a slow runner, by the time I got back there were no medium T shirts left, so I got a hat. As the entry form asks what size T shirt everyone wants, I can't see why we didn't get what we ordered. They did look good and I would have worn it - you don't get that many long sleeve ones. So - a lovely run spolit by a couple of things that can be put right. Date of review: December 2, 2005
In short: This could feasibly be renamed "The Silage Shuffle"In full: Two weeks on and my trail shoes are banished to the garage their pong is so bad as a result of this chilly canter! The course is a very generous 8.5 miles mostly through cowpats which were uncannily viscous. The combination of several cold dunkings and one lengthy wait in freezing water followed by an icy blast of hosepipe meant that despite running over what felt like sticky toffee pudding all morning my legs were not sore at all - Either that means I didn't try hard enough or it could mean the organisers really DID think of everything - obviously I'm with the organisers on this one!The t-shirt was lovely and very welcome to keep the chill out whilst I gobbled my KitKat - I'm sure they never used to taste that good.Back for more next year but please, please sort out the whole ditch situation so some of us don't stand freezing for ten minutes whilst others blatantly cheat along the bank - thanks.Date of review: November 28, 2005
In short: excellent race, looking forward to next years.Date of review: November 18, 2005
In short: Muddiest race I've done in over 20 years of running, including the Grizzly , but also the most enjoyable and already on the calendar for next year!Date of review: November 18, 2005
In short: This was my first X-C race. I'm completely convertedDate of review: November 17, 2005
In short: I broke my leg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!In full: This was a fantastic fun race right up until I slipped in mud on the farm bit and broke my leg! However, I will be back next year to complete it without the ambulance trip!!!Date of review: November 17, 2005
In short: Fan-Flippin'-Tastic!In full: This year was the second year I've run the race and I've got to say, the mud, the streams, the hills and the bum sliding gave me a good couple of hours of amusement. I've never smiled so much when out running as I did during this race. If you haven't done it, do it... But wear decent shoes and pray for rain!Can't wait until next year now.Date of review: November 17, 2005
In short: Mud glorious mud!In full: Well I did the Salamon Hell Raiser a few weeks back and I didnt think this could be as muddier or as hard.. how wrong was I.. It was even harder work, with more mud, extra cow patts, bogs and hills to contend with. Overall though an excellent way to spend a sunday. Even the wait at the ditch was a welcome breather! I cant wait untill next year!!Date of review: November 17, 2005
In short: My favourite event of the year.In full: Leave your watch at home, leave your best kit at home, prepare to get muddier than a naturally muddy thing having an extra muddy day in mudsville. Great fun, the best reason for being a runner.Date of review: November 17, 2005
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Aloha's new LP, Home Acres, is now out on Polyvinyl.
I've long been a fan of the band. Way back in 2000, Steve Brydges of Copper Press turned me on to their debut LP, That's Your Fire (also on Polyvinyl and well with worth seeking out!)
Back in 2000, Aloha often created a boisterous noise. Part of their sonic signature included copious vibraphone flurries, matched by experimental rock guitars and mathy time signatures.
Over the years, Aloha's sound became more layered and progressive in presentation. One hesitates to say that their sound has mellowed, exactly; indeed Home Acres includes some of their most rocking music in a while. Mallet instruments remain an important part of their music-making; but on Home Acres, its often the marimba that takes center stage rather than vibraphone. Here mallet instruments and other post-rock gestures are integrated parts of the whole, rather than noticeable mannerisms. And while there are catchy hooks aplenty, Aloha's rightly vaunted instrumental passages are still given enough time to develop.
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Indoor marijuana farms go high-tech for high profit
By THOMAS LAKE
Published May 14, 2007
Somewhere in your town, a secret garden grows.
It is high-tech, lucrative and illegal. And it could be right next door.
Look for the warning signs. Strange new wires sprout from the electrical box. Massive air conditioners run day and night, even when no one is home. And those "lawn clippings" in the garbage smell like the Grateful Dead.
Indoor marijuana labs have replaced methamphetamine labs as the neighborhood drug factories of the moment, Lt. Robert Sullivan of the Pasco County Sheriff's Office said at a news conference Tuesday. Deputies raided 10 indoor growing operations in the first quarter this year - more than in all of 2006.
In the past, Sullivan said, more marijuana farmers grew their crops outdoors for better yield and higher potency. But after airborne raids crippled many of those farms, a new generation of white- collar growers used technology to move the trade indoors. Many of the labs are in middle-class neighborhoods.
And the quality is the same or better than before: The new growers use a system of artificial lights and automatic feeding troughs to generate a crop that can fetch up to $2, 000 a pound in Florida and perhaps $7, 000 in the Northeast.
Some of the plants are so potent and bursting with resin that Sullivan said there are stories of drug agents in other counties getting contact highs during raids.
One of Pasco's latest raids took place May 2 at 18923 Rolling Oaks Drive in Hudson, in the Rolling Oaks Estates subdivision just south of the Hernando County line. An investigator got a tip from the electric company about a tampered meter box and unusually high energy consumption. These can sometimes be telltale signs of marijuana labs because the grow lights - and the air conditioning required to counteract their considerable heat - need electricity.
Deputies say they found 94 plants inside the house, as well as lights and fans and rolling papers. They arrested the man who lives there on charges of cultivation of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia and theft of utilities.
His name: Jason Robert Stoner.
Stoner, 31, went free Friday on $3, 500 bond. He declined to comment Tuesday.
Sullivan said at least one major grower claimed that the plants were for his personal use.
"Guess what, " Sullivan told the reporters. "With 100 plants, you and your entire family could smoke for the rest of your lives."
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