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Skip to comments.Study: Universe 13 Billion Years Old
Posted on 04/24/2002 6:30:34 PM PDT by longshadow
By Paul Recer
AP Science Writer
Wednesday, April 24, 2002; 4:21 PM
WASHINGTON The universe is about 13 billion years old, slightly younger than previously believed, according to a study that measured the cooling of the embers in ancient dying stars.
Experts said the finding gives "very comparable results" to an earlier study that used a different method to conclude that the universe burst into existence with the theoretical "Big Bang" between 13 and 14 billion years ago.
Harvey B. Richer, an astronomer at the University of British Columbia, said the Hubble Space Telescope gathered images of the faintest dying stars it could find in M4, a star cluster some 7,000 light years away.
Richer said the fading stars, called white dwarfs, are actually burnt out coals of stars that were once up to eight times the size of the sun. After they exhausted their fuel, the stars collapsed into Earth-sized spheres of cooling embers that eventually will turn cold and wink out of sight.
Earlier studies had established the rate of cooling for these stars, said Richer. By looking at the very faintest and oldest white dwarfs possible, astronomers can use this cooling rate to estimate the age of the universe.
Speaking at a news conference Wednesday, Richer said the dimmest of the white dwarfs are about 12.7 billion years old, plus or minus about half a billion years.
Richer said it is estimated that star formation did not begin until about a billion years after the Big Bang. He said this means his best estimate for age of the universe is "about 13 billion years."
Three years ago, astronomers using another method estimated the age at 13 to 14 billion years. That was based on precise measurements of the rate at which galaxies are moving apart, an expansion that started with the Big Bang. They then back-calculated like running a movie backward to arrive at the age estimate.
"Our results are in very good agreement" with Richer's estimate, said Wendy L. Freedman, an astronomer at the Carnegie Observatories in Pasadena, Calif., and a leader of the group performing the universe age calculations three years ago.
Bruce Margon, an astronomer at the Space Telescope Science Institute, said both conclusions are based on "a lot of assumptions" but the fact that two independent methods arrived within 10 percent of the same answer is important.
"To find an independent way to measure the age and then get essentially the same answer is a fantastic advance," said Margon. It may not be the final answer for the universe's age, he said, but is "very, very, very close."
To get the new age estimate, the Hubble Space Telescope collected light from M4 for eight days over a 67-day period. Only then did the very faintest of the white dwarfs become visible.
"These are the coolest white dwarf stars that we know about in the universe," said Richer. "These stars get cooler and cooler and less luminous as they age."
He added: "We think we have seen the faintest ones. If we haven't, then we'll have to rethink" the conclusions.
The faintest of the white dwarfs are less than one-billionth the apparent brightness of the dimmest stars visible to the naked eye.
M4 is a globular cluster, thought to be the first group of stars that formed in the Milky Way galaxy, the home galaxy for the sun, early in the history of the universe. There are about 150 globular clusters in the Milky Way; M4 was selected because it is closest to Earth.
The new age estimate for the universe is the latest in a long series of attempts to measure the passage of time since the Big Bang. Edwin Hubble, the famed astronomer who first proved that the universe is uniformly expanding, estimated in 1928 that the universe was two billion years old.
Later studies, using the very expansion that Hubble discovered, arrived at an estimate of about nine billion years for the universe age. This created a paradox for astronomers because some stars were known to be more ancient and it is impossible for stellar bodies to be older than the universe where they formed.
Freedman and others then determined, using proven values for the brightness and distance of certain stars, that the universe throughout its history has not expanded at a constant rate. Instead, the separation of galaxies is actually accelerating, pushed by a poorly understood force known as "dark energy." By adding in calculations for this mysterious force, the Freedman group arrived at the estimate of 13 to 14 billion years.
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Amazing...13 billion? I could swear, it doesn't look any older than 8 billion. Really.
He added: "We think we have seen the faintest ones. If we haven't, then we'll have to rethink" the conclusions.
What if some of the white dwarfs have already "gone out"? How would you know?
the Hubble Space Telescope collected light from M4 for eight days over a 67-day period. Only then did the very faintest of the white dwarfs become visible.
If they collected light for an additional 8 days, or 80 days, would additional, "dimmer" white dwarfs become visible?
Is that the farthest cluster in which we can distinguish such stars? On the one hand, it's not all that far (cosmologically speaking); but on the other hand, resolving individual stars in such a cluster seems quite a trick.
When? Today? I didn't get it a thing. Why didn't someone tell me?
These people actually get paid to make educated guesses like this? Where can I get a job like that?
When? Today? I didn't get it a thing. Why didn't someone tell me?
Hustle down to Hallmark.
They have some of those "belated" thingys you can send.
This was addressed in the press conference today. They took exposures that were adequate to detect fainter white dwarfs if they existed, but they found none; hence they conclude that these ARE the faintest.
White dwarf stars take a gigantically long time to "go out" (which in this case means to cool until they cannot be seen).
Excellent question, grasshopper.....
It is actually the CLOSEST cluster where astronomers hoped to detect such faint beasts, because of the limitations in their equipment precluded from being able to detect objects this faint at greater distances....
..... however, the new equipment JUST installed last month on the Hubble Space Telescope will be many times more sensitive that what they used for this research, and thus will be invaluable in observing more distant clusters to see if the data collected from them supports (or contradicts) this finding.
By looking at the evidence. The universe obeys physical laws, you know.
These people actually get paid to make educated guesses like this?
No, they get paid to make measurements like this.
Where can I get a job like that?
You start by spending twelve years in college (as I did).
Well, first you start out with an IQ of say 140+, then you matriculate at a first tier university, and major in Physics, or Mathematics, or Astronomy, and after four years of hard work you get your Bachelor's degree; then you apply to grad school and get into an Astronomy/Astrophysics program, and after a couple more years of hard work, you'll have your Master's degree, and then you put in more time doing original research on your doctoral Thesis, which, with a bit of luck and a lot of hard work, might be accepted, and so you eventually get your Ph.D.
Then you go to work, continuing to do original research like these guys did, and by that time you would have come to understand how it is that scientists are able to devise observations that measure the age of the Universe using multiple independent methods, which indicate very similar results.
Actually, the error in their measurement is half a billion years, which is roughly 4%. Not bad.
What does your mascot, Plato the Platypus, say about it?
You'll get better results if you do it after the sun goes down.
Watch it; this is a family forum.
Plato says 14.2 billion years.
Oh heck, I could do that. :-)
There are dozens of very good books on the subject, written in layman's language by the very people who are doing this research. You'd be amazed to discover how much in agreement they all are. They explain their thinking, their evidence, and how they arrive at their conclusions. Very stimulating reading. Try it.
Then I suggest you restrict yourself to logic, Mathematics, and distilled spirits, the only realms in which absolute "proof" is possible.
Scientific theories are based on consonance with observed evidence and multiple unsuccessfull attempts at falsification. Thus, they are NEVER "proven" in the sense of metaphysical certitude. That is the nature of science, and it has seerved us very well, despite it's shortcomings.
This has to be the ultimate job --predicting the age of the Universe as one of the "important" tasks of an astronomer. Sorta like the "job" of counting the angels on the head of a pin.
I remember the scientists a few years ago who "discovered" asteroids colliding with the planet Jupiter. They were dancing in the streets. Total contribution to Mankind for this crucial "discovery"? Nada. Zilch. Nothing.
If you are having trouble understanding that these two concepts are NOT mutually exclusive, I suggest you avail yourself of "Physicists" knowledge, expertise, and amazing ability to explain complex scientific concepts in a manner easily understood by layman.
He's right here on this thread. I'm sure he'd be happy to explain it to you if you were to ask him.
Does it?
They're going back 13 billion light years in time to see what happened then because that's how long it took for the light to reach us. But for all we know, as another poster said the universe goes on in infinity, there are probably galaxies a hundred trillion light years away, and farther. My point is, and it's a theory, fifteen billion years for the universe is like a second for us. It's been around a lot longer than that.
Okay; I'll bite.
Show us the contradiction you alluded to.
Does it?
the universe [has] been around a lot longer than [fifteen billion years].
Has it?
Let's see a little meat with your "if's".
That's what bothers me.
Because 20 years ago they all agreed that it was a different age.
Are you smarter than you were 20 years ago?
Actually, the result being reported here measured it to within half a billion years, which is an error of about 4%. Considering that they are measuring something that happened about 13 billion years ago (give or take), 4% error is pretty darned good.
Seriously, are you going to disparage science until they can tell you the month, day, and hour of the Big Bang? How much accuracy do you demand, and why?
They're always working with the data they have. When new data arrives, from new telescopes and better technology, what do you suggest they do? Supress the new information? They don't do that. They welcome the opportunity to revise their understanding, in the light of the best available information. Why do you find this objectionable?
They're going back 13 billion light years in time to see what happened then because that's how long it took for the light to reach us. But for all we know, as another poster said the universe goes on in infinity, there are probably galaxies a hundred trillion light years away, and farther. My point is, and it's a theory, fifteen billion years for the universe is like a second for us. It's been around a lot longer than that.
I'm sorry; you lost me.
Perhaps you are communicating with the story on another astral plane, but it mentioned nothing about the age of the earth.
I eagerly await your post of the errors in the multiple independent methodologies. Please include the evidence to back up your assertion that they are erroneous.
Please also provide your analysis that explains how ALL the errors of the independent methodologies ALL produce virtually indentical results.
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Located in the Shawnee National Forest, this 1,750 acre lake has 40 miles of shoreline, a maximum depth of 60 feet, and 10hp limit on boat motors.
Little Grassy Lake Campground and Marina is located on Crab Orchard National Wildlife Refuge and is a destination stop for returning campers, boaters, and sportsmen. They offer full service camping, primitive camping, boat rentals, concessions, and a bait shop. Reservations accepted to reserve boats and campsites. Pontoon boats, fishing boats, and kayaks can be rented. You don't want to pass up the opportunities to explore the thirty miles of shoreline and embrace the solitude you will find on the lake. The 1200 acre lake is stocked with catfish, crappie, and bass, and offers plentiful oppourtunities for fishing, paddling, boating, and wildlife observation. Amenities include waterfront camping sites, remodeled bathrooms with hot showers, dump station, swimming, pets allowed, monthly educational programs and a renovated concession/bait shop which is stocked with minnows, crickets, camping supplies, cold beverages, food items, ice cream, firewood and ice.
A locally-owned craft distillery in Southern Illinois, Grand River Spirits creates a selection of spirits that showcase the delicious fruits and grains of Southern Illinois. This national award-winning micro-distillery offers brandy, whiskey, bourbon, rum, seasonal spirits (such as grappa and schnapps), and of course Red Eye Moonshine. Don't let their small size fool you, all of the storage, packaging, distilling and tasting is housed under one roof. See the action for yourself — Grant Rivers Distillery offers free 30-minute distillery tours for up to 10 people by appointment only, available Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday.
This 810 acre lake with a maximum depth of 90 feet and a 24-mile shoreline is part of the Crab Orchard Refuge. It is stocked with rainbow and brown trout and provides largemouth bass, bluegill, sunfish, crappie, channel catfish, bullheads, and carp. Boat ramps are available. Boats have a 10-horsepower limit. Camping is available.
Locally-owned and operated, this quirky restaurant not only serves some of the best burgers around, but it also serves as a venue for local music. Most dishes are cooked with local veggies, beef from Lick Creek Beef and Bison from Bison Bluff Farms, ensuring that the customer truly has the freshest meal possible. The highly-recommended "Bucky Dome" burger, named after one of Carbondale's favorite historical figures, is made of local beef, piled high with brisket and cheddar cheese, topped with bacon and fried egg. As If your mouth isn't watering enough right now, you'll have to taste it for yourself! Enjoy free, live, local in house music every weekend in the Red Corner.
We would be lying if we didn't say that Saluki Stadium is one of the best college stadiums in the Midwest. Constructed in 2010, this facility is home to the NCAA Division One SIU Football Team and can seat up to 15,000 fans. Enjoy the afternoon with sports, tailgating and more at the Saluki Stadium.
The Cabin boasts a vaulted great room with fireplace, full kitchen, a luxurious main floor master bedroom and bath with a custom 2 person shower and Jaccuzi tub. The huge second floor lofted bedroom and 1/2 bath overlooks 20 acres of pasture and wildlife.
Anthill Gallery & Vintage Curiosities
Anthill productions is home to the photography of rare images' Bob Hageman and the stained-glass work of Firelight Studio's Linda Austin. For well over 20 years, Linda and Bob have been making and displaying their unique artworks throughout the Midwest, and they are now for the first time making them available to a broader audience.
Egyptian Hills Campground & Marina
Eastern side of Lake of Egypt. Facility offers full service, boat rentals, restaurants, bait, tackle, guide service, launching and RV rentals.
CITY:Creal Springs
Windy Hill Acres Inn is located in the Shawnee National Forest. The Inn is a Rock Potato House which has been remodeled into a beautiful 5 room house with deck. The Potato House was built in the 1800's and used to store the farmers' sweet potatoes.
A World War I memorial stature, "The Spirit of The American Dough Boy" was dedicated on September 6, 1927 following its acquisition through a project sponsored jointly by the local American Legion and VFW Posts. The solider is forever immortalized in statue form, seen is his war apparel and stance. The Dough Boy is a symbol of freedom and remembrance of those who fought for our land.
20-room roadside motel.
With over 50 vendor spaces, Rosebud Antique Mall offers high quality antiques and collectibles for all budgets. Primitives, fine antique furniture, quilts, china and glassware, pottery, jewelry, toys, framed art, comics, stained glass and many other unique items fill our clean and well-lit space.
This soccer facility has 10 fields for grades K-12. 4 Fields are large enough for adult games. Bleacher seating available on the 6 larger fields and seats approximately 40 per team. There are 2 large picnic shelters, playground equipment and a concession stand. Parking for 400 is available.
Suites over the tasting room at Blue Sky Winery, with beautiful views of the vineyards and pond.
Presbyterian church in continuous operation since 1850 and the site of a winter encampment during the Trail of Tears. Only site certified by state of Illinois and Cherokee Nation.
Provides affordably priced and beautifully furnished accommodations. Optional spa and fireplace suites. Restaurant and golf course on site.
Hickory Ridge Vineyard & Winery
Hickory Ridge is nestled in the hills of the Shawnee Forest, and is family owned and operated. All wines are made from grapes grown solely on the premises, and include excellent dry wines, as well as award-winning whites and rosés.
This 2600 sq. ft beautiful 3 bedroom. 2.5 bath cabin is located on 75 secluded acres on the Shawnee Wine Trail. This picturesque and secluded property is within two miles of Blue Sky winery,Owl Creek, and within 1 mile of Orlandini winery. Located on Rocky Comfort Road, you are in the heart of Southern Illinois Wine Country. Enjoy the huge deck overlooking the Valley and the peacefulness of the 140 acres of the Shawnee National Forest which adjoins the property. The opportunities and possibilities are endless.
The Science Center of Southern Illinois
The Science Center of Southern Illinois is the perfect way for kids to explore the beauty of science in a fun atmosphere. This hands-on children's museum has over 50 exhibits and sees nearly 15,000 annual visitors. Adults are also welcome, as many of the activities can be enjoyed by all.
This cozy retreat has modern appliances and luxury touches. There are two bedrooms, one queen and one with two twin beds and extra bedding available in the loft. The kitchen has a microwave, electric stove, dishwasher, refrigerator, toaster and coffee machine. The spacious dining area comfortably sits six people. The large deck spans the rear of the house overlooking the fenced-in yard and the woodlands below.
CITY:Alto Pass
We are Southern Illinois' destination for a secluded and peaceful getaway. We are luxurious, fully equipped log homes, set on 95 acres, available to you for a few days, a week, or even longer. Each cabin can comfortably sleep 6 to 8 people. Our cabins were built specifically for guests who want to get away from the busy realities of life and just enjoy the simple things. Enjoy fishing in our lakes, hunting, the wildlife and beautiful sunsets from the deck. We are an easy ten minutes from Carbondale and Southern Illinois University, and within driving distance to the Shawnee Hills Wine Trail, Southern Illinois lakes, Shawnee National Forest, Giant City Park and the DuQuoin fairgrounds.
CITY:De Soto
General museum featuring local history, Kirkpatrick Pottery, Native American artifacts, pioneer items and other unique collections.
Eagle Watching - Union County Refuge
The Union County Refuge in Union offers a popular spot for bald eagle watching. Visitors can view bald eagles and take wildlife photography off the main road, which runs down the middle of the wildlife refuge. Park rangers will be available weekdays to answer questions about the eagles and other wildlife spotted in the refuge. Admission is free. For more information on eagle watching, contact the Union County Refuge (618-833-5175).
Offers complimentary tastings of hand crafted wines and frequently offers special wine recipes to sample as well. Gourmet cheeses, salamis and crackers are available for purchase and you are invited to bring a picnic basket filled with your own goodies. There are a small selection of other beverages on hand.
John A. Logan College Museum and Gallery
Named after Civil War General John A. Logan, the college combines modern architecture and a beautiful park-like setting. Memorabilia of General Logan and his wife, Mary, are on display in the museum and art gallery at the college.
Enclosed mall with ten stores. Walkers welcome. Restaurants nearby.
CITY:West Frankfort
The lush vegetation of the 2,430-acre Ferne Clyffe State Park, located near the small town of Goreville, hides the fact that directly below the soil, a vast area of rock formations exists. The two main areas for rock climbing include Big Rocky Hollow and the Cedar Bluff areas. Cedar Bluff offers both traditional and sport climbing, including several short, but difficult, routes in the class 12 to 13 range that appeal to experienced climbers. Other routes include top-rope access and solid anchors that appeal to new climbers.
This 18-hole course, designed by renowned golf architect Steve Smyers, was named by Travel + Leisure as one of "America's 100 Best Courses for $100 or Less." Kokopelli offers a full-service pro shop, professionals who offer personal golf instruction and an eight-acre practice facility. This course has a restaurant, lounge, and banquet facilities available.
Little Egypt Arts Association Art Centre
Little Egypt Arts Association is a not for profit artist Co-op that was established in 1995 by approximately 20 local artists and art patrons. It's the largest cooperative art center in Southern Illinois. Offering a gift shop, art classes and workshops.
Stop on by and enjoy the friendly, peaceful atmosphere. Spacious shaded sites. See an abundance of wildlife. Also available: wireless internet, L-P gas fill, dump station, large pull through, 31 full hook-up sites, 12 pull through sites, (20, 30 and 50) amps available. Public access to: city park, lighted walk path, shower house, laundry facilities/handicap accessible. Cabin rentals available.
Water Valley Inn can accommodate individuals, couples, families and groups up to eight, based on double occupancy. The main floor of the farmhouse includes two bedrooms with queen size beds and one bathroom. The upstairs has three rooms set up with twin beds.
Located among the beautiful rolling hills of the Shawnee National Forest, Von Jakob is the perfect getaway. As a family-owned business established nearly 20 years ago, we offer our guests an inviting and fun atmosphere to relax and unwind. While visiting our tasting room, sample from over 20 varieties of wine, a wide selection of hand-crafted beers and award winning hard apple cider. We offer a delicious lunch menu available daily and a full service restaurant open Friday and Saturday evenings. We also have live music every weekend and host a number of festivals, weddings and private events throughout the year. When your here, feel free to extend your stay with us at one of our charming Bed & Breakfast Suites. Come experience a trip to Little Germany when you visit Von Jakob.
CITY:Alto Pass
Monte Alegre Vineyard & Cellars
Monte Alegre is a family owned and operated winery located in Carbondale, Illinois. The winery tasting room opened for the public and visitors in 2009 and has been retailing a variety of eight different wines, all wines made from grapes grown, fermented and aged at location in their cellars. Monte Alegre Vineyard and Ponce Cellars offer spectacular views and prime red and white wines that have made Southern Illinois a favorite tourist destination for wine lovers and their families throughout the Midwest. You can also try a port or a sangria, all in a single stop. The main grapes grown at Monte Alegre Vineyard are Vidal Blanc, Chardonel, Seyval Blanc, Traminette, Norton, Chambourcin, Frontenac, Cabernet Franc and Sangiovese. During the harvest season, July to October, you can also enjoy vine ripened table grape varieties like Reliance, Mars and Fredonia.
Northwest Passage and Root Beer Saloon
Turn of the century decor - over 200 sets of antlers with many other taxidermy artifacts. Varieties of root beer, old-fashioned soda fountain drinks, cappuccino and espresso bar, gourmet sandwiches, assorted candies, chocolates and gifts. Fun shopping! Belly up to the Root Beer Saloon for a cold one.
CITY:Alto Pass
The University Mall is the centerpiece of Southern Illinois' most established retail district and is conveniently located near the crossroads of two of the regions most traveled arteries -- Route 13 and US 51. The mall features variety stores to meet your shopping needs!
Offering five cabins combining rustic style with modern amenities including full kitchens, open layouts, luxury baths, beautiful indoor and outdoor entertaining areas and amenities. Minutes from SIU Carbondale, IL, numerous wineries on the Shawnee wine trail, golf courses and Giant City State Park. Custom log and stone exteriors, fireplaces, and wooded lakefront setting.
This beautiful Carterville park includes a community center, baseball field, skate park, walking path that surrounds a fishing pond, volleyball courts (sand), playground, pavilion, gazebo, and memorial garden. Ballfields and shelters can be reserved.
John A. Logan College O'Neil Auditorium
Located within the John A. Logan Community College, this 316 seat theater is host to many collegiate and community performances.
This 488-Seat theater hosts several productions each year that features both student and guest performers. During the academic year there are four major productions. The McLeod Summer Theater also produces three or four to finish out the season.
Holiday Inn - Conference Center
Award winning hotel, receiving the Holiday Inn's Service Excellence and Torchbearer Awards in 2008. Built in 2006, it features five stories, 100 sleeping rooms and meeting spaces available. It's an excellent venue for a convention, as it's attached to Boondocks Seafood Co. which provides exceptional catering.
Located on 140 private acres nestled in ancient bluffs, loaded with wildlife, peace and quiet and everything at your fingertips! We provide everything you and your guests need for a wonderful getaway! The kitchen is fully equipped with all manner of cooking needs, along with a backyard BBQ, all you need is your provisions to whip up a meal to be enjoyed in this wonderful home! The great room has floor to ceiling windows to take in the breathtaking views that span for 40 + miles to Kentucky! It features a flat screen tv and blue ray dvd player along with a cozy gas fireplace for your enjoyment...Also located on the main floor is a laundry room and half bath. Upstairs you will find a log style King Bed Master Suite. There is a walk in closet and a 4 piece Master Bath that rivals any Spa. The walk in shower has body sprays and the jacuzzi tub has a multitude of jets to enjoy while gazing out the window in the tree line! There is a private balcony off the bedroom to take in the views of the bluffs. Downstairs, the walkout basement offers another living area complete with a flat screen tv/dvd player. There is another full bathroom and two more bedrooms, one with a King bed and flat screen tv/dvd player and another full size bedroom. The patio off the living room provides ample shade in the Summer and again you have spectacular long range views of the area! Outback you can relax on the deck while BBQ'ing or watching the kids on the playset. There is ample parking for you and your guests. Rock Ridge also offers guided repelling and climbing, there is a fully stocked pond, and plenty of room to roam around and explore the property!
Crab Orchard Kennel Club AKC Dog Show
This Annual AKC Dog Show boasts many additional amenities. Sign up to bring your dog to the hearing clinic or get their nails trimmed while you wait. Over 100 breeds will try to make it to the Best In Show ring. There will also be vendors of dog treats, toys, beds, blankets and more.
Visitors can canoe from Riverside Park in Murphysboro to Rattlesnake Ferry in LaRue Pine Hills.
Old fashion general store, specializing in Deli sandwiches and local souvenirs
CITY:Alto Pass
They offer new and used boats, seasonal slip rental, boat lauch, boat dock and lift sales, rental pontoon boats, rental fishing boats, full line of boating accessories, full convenience store, package beer, liquor and wine.
Bella Terra Winery is nestled in the beautiful surroundings of Johnson County, Illinois. With a scenic view of ponds, trees, and our vineyard we provide the perfect setting for sipping wines or celebrating special occasions. Bella Terra Winery was not created just for wine connoisseurs, we offer food and activities for the whole family. You can play bocce ball, throw a game of washers, watch your favorite team on T.V., or just relax under a tree and enjoy the breeze.The manicured grounds of Bella T Winery combined with beautiful shade trees create a striking backdrop for any occasion.
CITY:Creal Springs
Hedman Vineyards is a member of Shawnee Hills Wine Trail, located in scenic Alto Pas in Southern Illinois. The winery produces and serves estate bottled wine, while our restaurant offers authentic Swedish cuisine and a Scandinavian gift shop. Located in a restored 3-story barn, seating is available inside or outdoors, overlooking the pond and vineyard. Come see us!
CITY:Alto Pass
The Varsity Center for the Arts
What started as a single-screen movie house in 1940 has become a power house for live music and community theater. This gorgeous theater is one of the greatest components to Carbondale's thriving art & culture scene, as it serves as home to the Jackson County Stage Company, which presents several plays during the year, and hosts the weekly Friday Night Film series. The Varsity serves as a venue for live entertainment during the Carbondale Rocks Revival, an annual city-wide music festival in addition to accommodating local and regional musicians during the year to bring the city exceptional entertainment.
Live entertainment. Monday night is jazz, Thursday offers an eclectic mix of local musicians, Sunday is DJ night.
Newman & Camden Co. is a walk in Bakery/Deli. They serve bagel, donuts, and great breakfast sandwiches. Lunch consists of a daily special, flatbreads, and like the Slow Roasted Turkey & Avocado BLT. All Items are made from scratch!
Luxuries suites located just off exit 45 on I-57 within walking distance from a gas station, convenient store, restaurant, and lounge. There are 20 rooms. Some facility amenities include a business center, free parking, pets allowed, suites, laundry services, hot tub/jacuzzi, complimentary breakfast, and an on-site bar/restaurant.
Ray Fosse Park is centrally located and offers playground equipment, four lighted picnic shelters, picnic tables, tennis courts, seven baseball fields, Goofy Golf, batting cages & three concession stands and the Park District's Aquatic Center. The Aquatic Center traditionally opens the last weekend in May. The facility includes swimming pool, diving boards, water slide and separate baby pool with a mushroom sprinkler fountain. You can contact the Aquatic Center, during open season, at (618) 997-1115. Goofy Golf and Batting Cages open in April.
This four acre vineyard hosts three acres of Chambourcin and an acre of Vignoles, which are two of the best grapes to grown in our region. The vineyard and winery is still in full operation run by the Orlandini family with the commitment to providing the top notch quality vintages our customers have grown to expect. When visiting Orlandini Vineyard, customers can enjoy a tranquil experience with a knowledgeable staff to help guide you to find the best wine for your palate. During warmer weather, we offer live music on Saturday afternoons, and our delicious old world style sangria. Year round we offer a variety of beers including local options. We are a family friendly operation that encourages guests to spread out into the yard and spend the day with us.
Williamson County Historical Museum
Located in an historic brick building in Marion, the museum features artifacts, antiques, and records of a bygone era. 17 rooms contain exhibits, including an old-fashioned school room. Tours may be arranged through the Marion Chamber of Commerce.
In an old restored barn overlooking a pond. Sit outdoors or in the Cafe. Features authentic Swedish cuisine, sandwiches & desserts, at Hedman Vineyards. Winery on-site.
CITY:Alto Pass
Popular with locals and travelers alike, Weeze's Country Barn, located in the Potato Barn, offers a variety of gifts and novelties and features locally made items. The restaurant offers a down home atmosphere and a delicious variety of foods to tantalize your taste buds, including homemade pies, made fresh every morning. Sundays they offer a plate lunch menu with down home variety of grandma's favorites, including fried chicken, chicken and dumplings, meatloaf, fried catfish, and salmon patties along with all the fixings. Come on in to Weeze's Country Barn and experience Southern Illinois hospitatlity at its finest! Open Daily 11-2
Bordering the refuge on N.E. corner. Traditional hunting of the highest quality. Only 2 hunters per pit with experienced mandatory guides, two pits, 1-water access, 1000 decoys, free snacks. Over forty-two years as an experienced club.
Award-winning BBQ. Family style dine-in and carry out. "Best Ribs in the U.S." by Bon Appétit Magazine and featured on the Food Network show, Bon Appétit Picks the Best.
Popular lake for fishing. This 1,000-acre park is the perfect place to enjoy hiking, camping, picnicking, boating and fishing.
This 32 lane facility offers bowling and a bar. There is a Pro-shop with ball drilling on site. Offers Highway 66 bowling for children on four mini lanes. There is a game room with three billiards tables, air hockey, arcade, and more. There is a bar and lounge on the premesis. They have youth programs, tournaments, leagues, and parties. Offers cosmic bowling. Also, four sand volleyball courts with seating for approximately 100 people.
The DuQuoin State Fairgrounds are located in the heart of Southern Illinois. A State owned facility, hosts several major events each year, including the annual DuQuoin State Fair. Grounds are open to the public year round.
CITY:Du Quoin
Southern Illinois Artisans Shop and Visitors Center
More than 25 categories of arts and crafts from fine art to the traditional crafts from more than 900 Illinois artisans. Also, home to the Southern Illinois Art Gallery. Special workshops and events throughout the year.
Lette's Shop - Antiques & Collectibles
Antiques and other unique items for sale!
Right in the middle of Energy you will find Bruce Park. A nicely manicured 8 acre park with trees, pavilions, ball diamonds and soccer fields. The park is a great place to take your family on an outing or for your kids to participate in local sports. While you are there, take a look at the military memorial. There is also a monument with the bell from a schoolhouse that stood on the site.
The Yellowmoon Cafe is a cozy coffeehouse which features live music Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings and most Sunday afternoons. We serve all types of coffee and coffee specialty drinks, local wines, and the best milkshakes in Southern Illinois.
La Colina Linda Farm and Bed & Breakfast
This one acres farm offers a two bedroom - two bath non-smoking cottage. The hospitality is open and inclusive and serves vegan plant-based meals for breakfast. Instruction and guidance for anyone interested in organic farming practices.
Enjoy your stay in one of our comfortable rooms with your own queen-sized bed to relax in after an active day enjoying the outdoors. Private garden-patio entrance, scenic views and private stocked pond.
Pizza, salads and sandwiches on the Shawnee Hills Wine Trail. Dine in or carry out. Indoor & outdoor dining.
Welcome to the Americas Best Value Inn- Murphysboro, which is located in the heart of beautiful Jackson County. We are just west off of I-57, approx. 20 miles to Carbondale. We are a newly remodeled property with a clean and comfortable home feeling.
One-of-a-kind restaurant in Southern Illinois serving up traditional Cajun dishes, such as gumbo and shrimp po' boys,alligator entree', 'gator eggs' and more. Comfort-food favorites like burgers and pasta dishes are also served. With seating for 30, this restaurant's exposed brick walls and original tine ceilings create a fun, laid-back atmosphere.
The menu includes a variety of salads, sandwiches and entrees like grilled salmon, cashew-crushed chicken and filet of beef served with seasonal vegetables. Music is part of the dining experience.
Known for its wide selection of craft beer and hosting exceptional music, The Hangar 9 is arguably Carbondale's best venue for nightlife. Built to resemble an airplane hangar, the building is unmistakable. Located on The Strip in Downtown Carbondale, the bar brings everything from karaoke, open-mic, and trivia to recognizable national acts to the downtown.
A variety of stores, including Computer Warehouse, The Bookworm, Headliners Hairstyling, Carbondale Chamber of Commerce, and Ashley Furniture.
Mileur Orchard offers fresh-picked peaches from July to mid-September. Apples are harvested in early September, and are available into October.
Known for its urban atmosphere and delicious dining options, Longbranch Coffee House serves as Carbondale's only vegetarian restaurant. Located in the historic Town Square, Longbranch embraces the local art scene by often hosting art shows and exhibits. The food is nothing short of delicious, as all of the ingredients are grown in southern Illinois and served fresh every day. If you're looking for a delightful dining experience - this is your place!
Von Jakob Vineyard welcomes you to stay at two new charming B&B locations: The Wine House, with 3 suites and The Port House, with 2 suites.Choose from any of our five spacious suites and escape from it all. Located right on the vineyard's grounds within walking distance of the winery, our B&B's overlook the beautiful rolling hills of the Shawnee National Forest. The stylish décor' and intimate setting will be sure to put you at ease. All suites have king-size beds, wi-fi, & Jacuzzi tub. Each suite is perfect for an overnight stay or weekend getaway any time of the year.
The Jackson County Stage Company
The Stage Company was born in 1982 when a small but enthusiastic group met to explore the possibility of founding a community theater in Southern Illinois. This community theater produces four shows a year. In 2008, the company moved into the Varsity Center for the Arts, 418 S. Illinois Ave., Carbondale. Call their box office at (618) 549-5466, M-F 5-7pm; S 12-4pm. For a current list of their plays, refer to their web site www.stagecompany.org
The Pavilion of the City of Marion
The Pavilion is centrally located near excellent area shopping, lodging and restaurant facilities. The 40,000 sq. ft. multipurpose facility features banquet and meeting rooms as well as an exposition hall, great for providing the perfect solution for meeting, gatherings, receptions, banquets, trade shows, conventions, etc. Free parking, Wi Fi, catering options and many other amenities make this the Premier Event Center in Southern Illinois.
This city park has a fountain, playground, picnic shelter, butterfly garden and benches to enjoy summer concerts and community events.
Award-winning fruit wines made from Southern Illinois peaches, apples, blueberries and strawberries are the specialty at this winery, nestled deep in the Shawnee Forest.
From Our Hands to Yours, another unique DuQuoin Main Street shoppers delight. Find antiques, crafts and gifts of all sorts.
CITY:Du Quoin


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Skip to comments.Boy Scouts to vote on policy involving gays
Posted on 02/06/2013 2:23:56 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
The polarizing debate over whether Boy Scouts of America should allow gay members could culminate with a vote on a new policy Wednesday.
But no matter which way the vote goes, activists on both sides aren't going to be satisfied.
The controversy pits leaders of religious groups that sponsor about 1 million Boy Scouts against activists who want the organization to end its ban on openly gay Scouts and Scout leaders.
Neither side is happy with BSA's proposal to let local troops decide if they want to allow gay members.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Kick anyone out who votes for homosexuals.
If they vote for it, it'll hurt more ways than one.
We are called to hate the sin and love the sinner, just like our Lord.
We are under the judgement of Romans 1...
but you can guess that some know it all liberal mom will think she is being oh so cool by allowing this....dumb arses....
now is the time for those truely religious to cling to like minded people....insulate your kids....insulate your lives....
When will people learn to say NO to queers?
The article is so typical of liberal framing of every issue. It presents the vote as if there's a real 50/50 split in the organization over letting homosexuals in a leaders.
Instead you have roughly 2% of the population demanding access to young boys, with perhaps four times that number supporting them. So at best its 90/10 against, yet the media presents this as if it were a real dilemma for most Scouts.
Imagine if this were a group of twenty something males demanding access to the high school cheerleaders' locker room or a wolf asking to guard the sheep. We'd see it for what it is.
The U.S. has jumped the shark. The U.S. is shunning normality and is normalizing the abnormal. We are soooooo screwed.
The U.S. has jumped the shark. The U.S. is shunning normality and is normalizing the abnormal. We are soooooo screwed.
I hope this proposal FAILS.
Then I, hope the majority propose re-naming the organization the "Straight Scouts". ;-)
Where in the world did I say, or even imply, that?
All I am saying is that because we have failed to acknowledge G-d as Creator; we are being punished.
The end of the "BOY" scouts is very near. The disease of political correctness has become terminal for them and the queers will kill a tradition that made many boys into morally straight men and successful lifestyles.
It saddens me for I was also a boy scout when I was a boy and as I look around today, there aren't many local scout troops left around here any more. The young boys of today have become too "domesticated" and enjoy a climate controlled environment along with plenty of video games to play at home. They have no aspirations to enjoy camping trips and rustic life along with how to survive in the woods if you had to.
It's simply a shame to even think that your son could possibly be sleeping next to a queer scout or scoutmaster. Worse yet, in many cases, I remember cases where we took baths in a river or lake without clothes and never thought a thing about it.
Man! Have things changed!
"Representatives from both camps aren't happy with a proposal to let local troops decide if they want to allow gay members."
BULLSHIT! This is exactly how liberals operate: one "compromise" at a time, always appearing publicly displeased with the results, but grinning like a devil when the cameras aren't on because they know the next "compromise" is just around the corner thanks to the spineless twits who lack resolve to stand against evil.
I'm so sick of the liberals wrecking one group after another. If this trend continues, I shudder to think what the American landscape will look like 10, 20 years from now after even more people from the older generations have passed on (due to age and, of course, Obamacare).
"When the devil comes in like a flood, the Lord will lift up a standard against him".
II Chronicles 7:
7:12 And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.
7:13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
7:15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.
No problem...I guess I'm not very articulate...my apologies.
Pray for their repentence and conversion to Christ.
No wonder the left is anti-scouting.
AMEN to that.
Remember we are ALL SINNERS in NEED of the MERCY of God.
Best to pray for the repentence and conversion of those who practice sinful behaviors.
As a District Commissioner I can tell you that we are very nervous about this vote. Many Charter Organizations are threatening to pull out. While they would be able to set a local policy, it doesn't really protect their youth at Summer Camp where they may be camping with Troops with gay leaders and boys. Some have said they won't allow their youth to attend Summer Camp, which would make attaining an Eagle Rank next to impossible. The consequences at the local levels are far reaching indeed.... could be a sad day today.... and a lot of work for me, which is never a good thing!
Are you planning to slay some of them yourself, or are you just trying to recruit others to do the killing?
You're right. I pray for them, and for myself.
Look for alternate camps to be set up.
That may happen. Was at one of the Charter Org Churches last night and one of the congregation was asking a lot about this very topic. The Scoutmaster said they could try to have a Troop-only Summer Camp but that part of the overall experience would be lost and the burden would fall heavier on the parents and leaders to provide that concentrated of a program. Someone even having an alternate camp would invite legal challenges and protests. This is just a subtly planted nuclear bomb to the BSA.
OBEY God!
Indeed, why there are people on the Board who disagree with the mission and values of Scouting is beyond me.
Read somewhere on FR that a number of churches that sponsor troops say that if the BSA accepts gays they will no longer accept Boy Scout troops at the church run camps.
Just BELIEVE in God!
Back in the closet with ye, faggots.(but then leave them alone as long as they are not doing it in public, are pedophiles or are even teaching your children)
If we're going to let gay men take young boys into the woods for sleepovers, why not let heterosexual men take young girls into the woods for sleepovers?
Intercessory prayer is powerful and God does hear!
Pray that righteousness & Godly morals will.... stand... with the Boy Scouts of America.
I do. And I will not commit murder because some Internet tough guy twists the Word of God and orders me to kill.
Look for parents to remove their children from the BSA.
To BELIEVE in God is the STARTING POINT.
Intercessory prayer is powerful and God does hear!This cannot be repeated often enough. :) I'm off for my daily Rosary which is recited before Mass at our church, and included in my intentions will be the vote regarding the scouts.
Our son, who has mild autism, is in a troop that he is very much attached to. This is HIS main form of getting out and socializing with other boys, spending time with his dad, and learning life skills and having a place to go on weekends. They VERY much DO spend a lot of time camping, on trips, learning how to survive in the outdoors, etc. To end this would end what has been one of the happier aspects of his childhood — and there aren't many.
Oh, and I can just see MY already horridly vulnerable special needs son exposed to the eyeballing of homosexual men. What a nightmare . . .
I say — what is to stop a close knit group of fathers and sons to just organize their own trips, independently, sans fags and/or their homo fathers? This is what I could see our group doing.
I do not understand why gays want to join a mainly Christian based organization, which vows allegience to God and Country — these morelocks are devoted to neither ...only to mocking God and destroying country.
God never commanded me to commit murder. You should get help.
many churches already have in-house alternatives to the Boy Scouts.
In the baptist church it's called the Royal Ambassadors.
I believe new groups will be started up be loving parents. I'm afraid we are seeing the end of BSA.
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Skip to comments.Beer's taste triggers dopamine release in brain
Posted on 04/20/2013 5:34:09 PM PDT by Jyotishi
The taste of beer, without any effect from alcohol itself, can trigger dopamine release in the brain that is associated with drinking and other drugs of abuse, researchers have claimed.
Using positron emission tomography (PET), the researchers at Indiana University School of Medicine tested 49 men with two scans, one in which they tasted beer, and the second in which they tasted Gatorade.
The researchers were looking for evidence of increased levels of dopamine, a brain neurotransmitter that has long been associated with alcohol and other drugs of abuse.
The scans showed significantly more dopamine activity following the taste of beer than the sports drink, moreover, the effect was significantly greater among participants with a family history of alcoholism.
We believe this is the first experiment in humans to show that the taste of an alcoholic drink alone, without any intoxicating effect from the alcohol, can elicit this dopamine activity in the brains reward centers, David A. Kareken, Ph.D., professor of neurology at the IU School of Medicine and the deputy director of the Indiana Alcohol Research Center, said.
Kareken said that the stronger effect in participants with close alcoholic relatives suggests that the dopamine release in response to such alcohol-related cues may be an inherited risk factor for alcoholism.
The participants got a very small amount of their preferred beer - 15 milliliters - over a 15-minute time period, enabling them to taste the beer without having any detectable blood alcohol level or intoxicating effect.
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Thanks for posting (heading down to the fridge for my 2nd IPA). Very interesting.
Bet it wouldn't work in somebody who'd never drunk beer before.
So, with Budweiser, there would be no dopamine release?
Must be the hops. Too bad that the only beer in the house is still fermenting and won't be ready for two more weeks
Exactly. The dopamine is likely released as a Pavlovian response based upon the taste and then anticipation of the effect of the alcohol in the beer.
Sheesh. How much did this study cost us?
I don't drink...never have,never will.But I must say that a nice big piece of prime rib,done medium rare,goes to the pleasure centers of my brain at about the speed of light.
Unggggh BEER!
Same thing happens with chocolate....duh.
Is there anything that Beer can't do???
Too many beers then causes melatonin to be released.
Not that it has ever happened to me, but I've heard....
If you administer the beer in the right quantities to the right gal it can lead to all of what you said.
Beer makes you smart, it made Bud wiser....
Well, it does lead to inventions, like "beer goggles"!
Of course so does time, as in "2 AM"
It's Saturday night and it has been a long strenuous week. I think I'll go force a dopamine release or two.
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Thanks Jyotishi.
I blame myself.
Well beer is very good stuff, but my preferred dopamine starter is a good single malt scotch whiskey straight up.
Thanks for reminding me, is is now 3:04, so time for a beer............
Hilarious. Nice!
Made me into a dope, that's for sure.
Oh pul-ease. Simple Pavlovian response to the taste by seasoned beer drinkers.
Try the same test with someone who has never tasted beer, and you won't get the same brain response.
A Guiness a day keeps the doctor away, ten Guiness a day keep everybody away.
And all these years I thought I was drinking beer for it's nutritional value.
Actually, I have conducted personal experiments and must say that some of the German non-alcoholic beers elicit a very strong dopamine response from my brain, and I don't anticipate any alcohol effect.
OTOH, I don't always drink beer but when I do, I prefer Guinness.
Read Guinness, sorry, long day, no beer.
Stay thirsty, my friend.
After all, who hasn't smelled beer and wished for heroine, or glue, or maybe some paint to sniff. Really!
I picked a hell of a week to stop smoking.
Try as I may, beer can't make my liberal friends intelligent, or understand basic common sense.
I have to admit when I was stationed in Munich back in the 60's I would find myself lying in the street outside of the Hofbrauhaus. I still don't know whether I was on my way out or merely overcome on my way in.
> After all, who hasnt smelled beer and wished for heroine, or glue, or maybe some paint to sniff. Really!
Wouldn't it be cheaper and of course legal to just shoot beer into the veins? Besides, heroin gets no respect in emergency rooms around the world.
> I have to admit when I was stationed in Munich back in the 60s I would find myself lying in
> the street outside of the Hofbrauhaus. I still dont know whether I was on my way out or merely overcome on my way in.
Great inspiration for a song there, country western.
Wait ... there's two cases of Heiniken in the fridge on the deck. Oh, and a huge can o Mauna Loa macadamias... who needs Corona and lime when you have Heini's and macs?
Jeez! It takes research to figure that one out?!
Correct. Classical conditioning (not operant). Would have been a huge surprise if this DIDN'T happen in conditioned drinkers. No reason whatsoever to do this study unless subjects who had never drank alcohol were included.
Beer always did release the dope-in-me.
My mom use to have her coffee and newspaper first thing...I have coffee and on-line news....guess it's inherited too!
I don't drink coffee. I inject it.
Seriously, I not only need coffee in the morning, but my own special blend & way of brewing it. I literally get sick without it — headaches, fatigue. After a good cup, all the pleasure centers in my brain light up — cognitive centers, too. I need it to think.
It's a great wrap after work too! First thing I do in the door...feed Kitty Cat while brewing...the aroma fabulous....
However, have you ever run out? I did, couldn't believe it...I actually ran "used " coffee grounds thru the coffeemaker! Pretty nasty stuff second time around!
Now I keep some instant coffee on hand just in case...LOL!
I ran out now. Sun. morning I'm making a beeline to Starbucks & buying a lb. of Kenya roast.
It's a great wrap after work too! First thing I do in the door...feed Kitty Cat while brewing...the aroma fabulous....
However, have you ever run out? I did, couldn't believe it...I actually ran "used " coffee grounds thru the coffeemaker! Pretty nasty stuff second time around!
Now I keep some instant coffee on hand just in case...LOL!
"Well beer is very good stuff, but my preferred dopamine starter is a good single malt scotch whiskey straight up."
Be careful. Beer Street vs Gin Lane.
Plus we put chemical additives in our 'beer' -- I get splitting migraines from one sip of American 'beer -- where in Germany that's against the law, just read the label on a Beck's beer bottle.
(1) Based on a Poll of all Germans who've come to the USA and tried to drink the swill we make here and call 'beer'.
My thoughts too - the aroma of a cheeseburger makes me drool much like Pavlov's dogs did when hit with a stimulus that was tied to another stimulus...
I like Beer from Britain, Belgium, and Germany.. I'm a beer snob....
I'm not worried. I drink Michelob Light (low carb), which from my reaction to it, contains no alcohol, regardless what's listed on the label.
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