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The Arcada Theatre is a historic theatre dedicated to being a true showcase of the Arts. Our main goal is to provide St. Charles, the Fox Valley Area, and the Chicagoland Area a wide variety of arts and entertainment. Conveniently located downtown in charming St. Charles.
CITY:St. Charles
This talented troupe can be found at a variety of venues from dinner theater at Fischer's Restaurant to stage shows at Southwestern Illinois College.
Theatergoers love that every seat is a great seat at The Raue Center for the Arts in downtown Crystal Lake. Since its restoration a decade ago, Raue Center has attracted the finest stars, Broadway shows, musicians and artists. Raue Center has become a destination in the heart of a bustling downtown area chock-full of pre- or post-show dining and shopping options.
CITY:Crystal Lake
A full-scale, live performance theater, with art galleries, on the campus of Millikin University.
Shows are performed at the Turkey Hill Grange, Progressive Grange, and The New Athens Senior Center.
CITY:New Athens
Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center
The Urbana-Champaign Independent Media Center fosters the creation and distribution of media, art, and narratives emphasizing underrepresented voices and perspectives and promotes empowerment and expression through media and arts education.
Center on Halsted is the Midwest's most comprehensive community center dedicated to building and strengthening the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer (LGBTQ) community. Center on Halsted's Community and Cultural team creates and hosts a wide array of fun, interactive and engaging programs enjoyed by members of the entire community. Events range from volleyball games in our gymnasium to dance recitals in our theatre. We host regular receptions showcasing local LGBTQ artists and special events for LGBTQ families and friends.
Prop Thtr is a Chicago storefront theater focused on original or newly adapted theatrical works based in literary traditions.
Oak Park Festival Theatre presents its 35th year of professional productions. Its season opens indoors in the National Historic Landmark, Pleasant Home, 217 Home Avenue. Then the company moves outdoors to Austin Gardens, adjacent to downtown Oak Park. With Shakespearian classics, witty drawing room mysteries, and farces, plus moving contemporary plays, Festival Theatre pleases audiences -- indoors and out. See our website, or call (708) 445-4440.
CITY:Oak Park
Artists's Ensemble is a thriving theater group that offers five professional productions a year in the Clark Arts Center at Rockford University. Tickets are available by phone or online.
The Moraine Valley Community College Fine & Performing Arts Center (FPAC) presents quality cultural programs and popular entertainment in this 600-seat Theater.
CITY:Palos Hills
Located in the historic courthouse square. A local theater at its best. In an intimate setting, offering a wonderful mix of old and new drama.
Southern Illinois University McLeod Theatre
See an affordably priced play at this 500-seat theater that's the home base for the Southern Illinois University Carbondale Department of Theatre.
Station Theater/The Celebration Company
The Station Theater, located in the historic 1899 Penn Central Train Station, is home to the Celebration Company. The theater provides live productions all year round meant to inspire, educate, and challenge. Performances range from musicals to classical experimental.
Broadway musicals in this beautiful auditorium located in Prospect Park in Moline, Illinois. Visit the website for current and upcoming show schedule and ticket prices. Founded in 1949, the theater has produced over 160 musical productions.
Center for performing arts in Springfield.
The Apollo is an all-purpose activity center, featuring a renovated historic 1912 theater.
Built in 1903, the auditorium is the largest building of its kind anywhere in the world, and is included on the National Register of Historic Places. Above the stage are Grecian statues designed by Robert Root.
Carterville High School Performing Arts Theatre
This 750 seat theatre features a full orchestra pit, large stage, air conditioning and convenient and ample parking for audience members. From a performance standpoint, the auditorium also features a large backstage dressing area and wondrous acoustics.
The Marcus Addison Cinema is your premiere entertainment destination with 21 state-of-the-art auditoriums. The facility can accommodate rentals for group outings, corporate events, birthday parties & various other occasions.
The Showcase performs at the historic Avon Theatre. Call for a schedule of plays.
Studio Theatre at Rock Valley College
During the fall and spring semesters, Rock Valley College sponsors a Studio Theatre program, giving students and amateur actors in the area a chance to perform with guest professionals in plays such as Wings, Black Coffee, and 1940's Radio Hour. Each year the Studio Theatre presents a William Shakespeare classic. The Studio Theatre also has a new play development program with productions that have included American Rock!, Kite's Book, and Christmas With the Conroys.
Built in 1878 and restored in 1986, the Opera House today provides performing arts from classical to country, dance, student recitals, summer theatre workshops and children/senior citizen series. A new Elizabeth Holdeman visual art gallery now graces entrance hall.
Located in Chicago's historic Beverly/Morgan Park neighborhood, the Beverly Art Center is a multidisciplinary, cultural center offering classes in art, music, dance, and theater. Offers rotating exhibitions of contemporary art and performing art.
The Herrin Civic Center is a multipurpose facility with conference areas, a galleria that seats 350 and an auditorium that seats 341. The Civic Center is host to all types of performances on a regular basis and can be rented for small meetings, stage performances and social events such as wedding receptions, reunions, etc. Many nationally known entertainers perform for the Patron of the Arts Series and for special appearances. Also home of the Southern Illinois Opry.
Historic Nauvoo Visitor Center
Begin your exploration of historic Nauvoo by examining the 1846 relief map of Nauvoo, viewing an introductory video, and studying historic artifacts and displays. Gather information on over two dozen restored homes, shops, and religious buildings in Nauvoo.
Located in the acclaimed Lakeside Center in Chicago's renowned McCormick Place Convention Center, the Arie Crown Theater features a 4,249 seat proscenium arch venue. For over 50 years, the Arie Crown has hosted thousands of Corporate, Civic and Public events featuring many of the most prominent companies and celebrated artists in the world.
Live Performance Musical Theater located on the University of Illinois campus in one of the many historical buildings on the Quad. Listed in the National Register of Historic Places, Smith Memorial Hall features a 900-seat recital hall, a popular venue for student and faculty solo and ensemble performances. Chamber Music and Harpsichord recitals are held in the Smith Memorial room.
Committed to its Ensemble since 1985, American Blues Theater produces stories about working people and partners each production with social and service organizations. As of 2013, ABT Ensemble & Artistic Affiliates have individually received over 120 Joseph Jefferson Awards, Citations, or nominations, 21 After Dark Awards, 2 Pulitzer Prize nominations, an Academy Award nomination, Golden Globe Award, 6 Writers' Guild Award, 10 Emmy Awards or nominations, 19 Black Theatre Alliance Awards or nominations, and multiple Regional theater awards from NY, Los Angeles, DC, and Florida.
Located on the campus of Highland Community College - features a variety of fine arts programming including vocal and music concerts, live theater, special performances, and the popular Summerset Theater Program, a community performing arts theater.
Miller Park Outdoor Summer Theater
Two summer theater productions are performed by the Bloomington-Normal Area Theatrical Community in this outdoor theater in Miller Park .
Over the past twenty seasons, Writers' Theatre has become a major Chicagoland cultural destination with a national reputation for excellence. The company – known for the finest interpretations of classic and contemporary theatre – has garnered critical praise for the consistent high quality and intimacy of its artistry. Throughout the season Writers' will be offering post-show discussions on select Wednesday evenings following the performance in our Tudor Court space. In the Books on Vernon space they will be offering post-show discussions every other Wednesday evening.
Centralia Illinois Downtown Theatre
This former vaudeville and movie theatre has been restored to its former glory.
The Lemming Armada Theatre Co.
Performances throughout the year include music, drama, and comedy.
Musicals, comedies and mysteries are performed August-May at this civic center located in Byron High School.
Distinguished speakers, concerts, and drama are all part of the playbill at The Hett, McKendree College's showcase Center for the Arts.
This 75 year-old community theater group stages three productions each season at the comfortable and cozy historic Kathryn Randolph Theater.
Large theater with seating for 850
A beautiful 1931 art deco 375 seat theatre. Shows are open to all ages and start at 7pm except on special events. The theatre brings the opportunity of a variety of entertainment arts; from concerts, live music & professional dance troupes to dinner theatre, local talent shows, private events such as weddings, and special holiday productions. This building was designed by the famous Louis Skidmore of "Skidmore, Owens and Merrill." The Watseka Theatre is believed to be the only theatre he ever designed. It's definitely a "Diamond in Our Own Backyard."
Hard Road Theatre Productions is a non-profit community theater organization committed to providing the Highland area with high-quality, affordable, live theater productions.
James Lumber Center for the Performing Arts at the College of Lake County
The Center is home to a wide variety of entertainment acts from musical performances to live theatre shows to specialty performances. The facilities include the 600-seat Mainstage Theatre, the 250-seat Studio Theatre, the 400-seat C005 Auditorium and three conference rooms. The theatre presents the finest entertainment in the industry, including a season of incredible variety featuring internationally acclaimed performers.
SummerStage is an amateur thespian organization that began in 1981. The group presents five programs a year including dramas, comedies, and musicals.
CITY:Granite City
Albert Taylor Theatre at Millikin University
The Albert Taylor Theatre is located in the historic Shilling Hall. The 275-seat auditorium was built as Millikin University opened in 1902. Renovations to the theatre were completed in 2006 and include Handicapped Accessible and Wheel Chair Accessible seating. Annual productions by the Millikin University Department of Theatre & Dance, School of Music, and Opera Program are all held in this theatre. Lectures, classes, and rehearsals are also held in the facility.
Located minutes N. of Chicago's Loop with four theaters in one complex, 450 main stage, this venue is one of the premeir mid-sized theaters in Chicago.
Local theatre presentations at their best, with local talent providing high quality entertaining plays throughout the year for your enjoyment.
At Irene's Cabaret Nightclub we know your free time and leisure activities are important. We offer a diverse range of services to meet the cultural, entertainment and recreational interests of our customers in the Quincy, IL area. Whether you are looking to meet new friends or just get away from it all Irene's Cabaret Nightclub can help.
The historic theatre features first-run movies, organ concerts, puppet shows, and other special events. Tours are available by appointment.
This restored vaudeville theater in downtown Galesburg offers a wide variety of entertainment and tours.
College of DuPage McAninch Arts Center
The McAninch Arts Center is home to five resident professional ensembles: Buffalo Theatre Ensemble, DuPage Opera Theatre, Arts Center Jazz Ensemble, New Classic Singers and New Philharmonic.
CITY:Glen Ellyn
Set in a red brick building beneath the towering trees of Lincoln Park, Theater on the Lake offers a great view of Lake Michigan and low ticket prices.
Rammelkamp Chapel - Illinois College
Rammelkamp Chapel is the home of religious life on campus as well as the site for various events ranging from weekly chapel services, mass, convocations, concerts and ceremonies.
Groups regularly perform at the "Black Box" Main Stage theatre.
John Stull Performing Arts Center at Olney Central College
The center at Olney Central College hosts many local and national performances throughout the year.
Augustana College Cultural Events
A variety of arts events going on at Augustana College.
CITY:Rock Island
Beautiful outdoor music theatre open May through September with a capacity of just under 30,000 people. Concessions and private catering available; tour buses welcome.
CITY:Tinley Park
Festival 56 is now a year-round professional theater festival, with 10 productions each year. Each season, Festival 56 assembles from across the country a team of the most creative and talented artists living and working in professional theater today. The festival presents a wide spectrum of programming, from free productions of Shakespeare to classic and world premier musicals and the masterworks of playwrights such a Steinbeck, Ibsen and Tennessee Williams. Festival 56 is committed to championing the American theater as an art form by creating a home for the artists who are its heart and soul.
PM&L Theatre is a non-profit, community-based volunteer organization located in downtown Antioch. Each annual season contains six shows, ranging in style from musicals to comedy and drama.
Open from April to October, this theatre shows first-run movies, and is one of only 200 drive-inns left in the United States.
This acoustically perfect performing arts center has played host to such shows as Sheryl Crow, Phil Collins, A Chorus Line, Chris Rock, Cats and children's concerts. Call for the current lineup of performances.
The mission of the Fermilab Arts and Lecture Series is to celebrate the artistic and intellectual vision of Fermilab by actively fostering an appreciation of science and the performing arts in neighboring communities. Most of the Arts and Lecture Series performances and lectures take place in Fermilab's Ramsey Auditorium.
Come inside the intimate Riverfront Playhouse and discover a treasure. Since 1978, Riverfront Playhouse has been a destination in downtown Aurora. Located along the pedestrian-friendly Water Street Mall, Riverfront Playhouse continues to draw unique talent and appreciative crowds. This popular local theater group performs original plays, musicals, murder mysteries, comedies and thrillers in an intimate setting. See their web site for indoor and outdoor performances.
The Joffrey is a world-class, Chicago-based ballet company that performs a unique repertoire encompassing masterpieces of the past and cutting-edge works. Director Gerald Arpino brings a uniquely American style of dance featuring ballets from the great choreographers of the 20th century. Many prolific choreographers have worked with the Joffrey including Paul Taylor, Twyla Tharp, George Balanchine, and founders Gerald Arpino and Robert Joffrey. Photo credit: Joffrey Ballet
Winner of the Broadway in Chicago 2013 Emerging Theater Award and named Chicago Magazine's Best Emerging Theater of 2013, 16th Street Theater presents award-winning new plays at affordable prices. A nationally-recognized professional Equity theater, 16th Street is a program of the North Berwyn Park District and operates year round out of the Berwyn Cultural Center just 9 miles west of downtown Chicago. Come engage with us!
Twin Cities Ballet is a civic ballet company and school of dance which attracts guest dancers throughout the year. The Nutcracker is a local tradition each December.
Round Lake Area Park District offers visitors a wide range of activities and facilities to enjoy. They include the Renwood Golf Course, the new sports center, the Prairie Grass Nature Museum, community theatre, outdoor pool/aquatic center, fitness center, child development center, teen center, senior center and acres of picturesque parklands. Private parties/outings at any of the facilities can be accommodated.
CITY:Round Lake
The Jackson County Stage Company
The Stage Company was born in 1982 when a small but enthusiastic group met to explore the possibility of founding a community theater in Southern Illinois. This community theater produces four shows a year. In 2008, the company moved into the Varsity Center for the Arts, 418 S. Illinois Ave., Carbondale. Call their box office at (618) 549-5466, M-F 5-7pm; S 12-4pm. For a current list of their plays, refer to their web site www.stagecompany.org
This state-of-the-art, 150-seat auditorium presents musical and theatrical programs.
A volunteer chorale group of around 100 singing members, PACC performs two concert series annually, May and December.
Heartland Theatre Company performs a number of dynamic and provocative plays every season. Heartland's Annual 10-Minute Play Festival attracts playwrights from all over the country and their "New Plays from the Heartland" Midwest One-Act Play Competition allows winning playwrights from eight Midwest states to share their original works with audiences. Call or visit the website for tickets and showtimes.
The Athenaeum Theatre is multi-stage theatre complex. We sell tickets to various live theatrical, dance and music events. We have a Main Stage that seats 985 and three studio black boxes seating 67, 81 and 89.
The Attic Playhouse strives to showcase a broad spectrum of theatre as an art form by producing classic plays, small musicals, one-acts, improvisational and skit comedies and theatre for young audiences. Special attention is given to producing original scripts and encouraging new talent. At least one production a year is dedicated to these original works.
CITY:Highland Park
This opera company specializes in a unique repertoire that focuses on works from the 17th, 18th and 20th centuries, performed beautifully in a small venue.
Opened in 1909 as an opera house and a meeting hall for the Independent Order of Oddfellows, the Wildey has undergone many transformations through the years. The most recent one is a $2 million renovation inside and out.
Our beautiful Country Club Hills Theater is an intimate, 2500 seat outdoor amphitheater located just 35 miles south of Chicago that combines stylish, modern architecture and state-of-the-art audio and video technology with the same kind of rustic, community charm that our city is famous for.
CITY:Country Club Hills
The Lincoln Square Theatre was built in 1915, designed principally to present touring theatrical and vaudeville productions. The original structure featured seating for 1,355 patrons.
Norris Cultural Arts Center, Theatre & Art Gallery
A 1,000 seat live theatre providing family entertainment for more than 20 years. Season tickets are available. Call for gallery hours and reservations.
CITY:St. Charles
Foellinger Auditorium is a unique facility situated at the Southern end of the U of I Quadrangle. Since its construction in 1907, Foellinger Auditorium has been a cultural and entertainment center for the campus by serving two distinctly different functions: classroom and performance.
The Peoria Ballet offers a season of spectacular dance performances featuring the Peoria Ballet Company and guest artists from across the globe, while the Peoria Ballet Academy provides excellent dance education in ballet, modern, jazz, tap and hip hop.
The Varsity Center for the Arts
What started as a single-screen movie house in 1940 has become a power house for live music and community theater. This gorgeous theater is one of the greatest components to Carbondale's thriving art & culture scene, as it serves as home to the Jackson County Stage Company, which presents several plays during the year, and hosts the weekly Friday Night Film series. The Varsity serves as a venue for live entertainment during the Carbondale Rocks Revival, an annual city-wide music festival in addition to accommodating local and regional musicians during the year to bring the city exceptional entertainment.
Mexican Folklore Dance Company of Chicago
As Chicago's oldest Mexican dance institution, MFDC has received countless recognitions and awards, performed for three presidents and represented Mexico in the 1994 USA World Cup opening ceremony, as well as numerous national television performances, most recently at the 2009 Latin Grammy Awards. MFDC's performances reflect Mexico's rich history which shapes its traditional arts, culture, and values. The historical periods revealed in the dances include pre-Columbian indigenous times, the Spanish Colonial Period, the Struggle for Independence and the 1910 Mexican Revolution.
The Parkland Theatre, a flexible proscenium theater with 315 seats, is the performance home for many Parkland theatrical, choral, and instrumental groups. The theater is also used by community organizations, speakers, guest professional artists, and theater classes.
Jacob Henry Mansion Estate Dinner Theatre
Located on the Jacob Henry Mansion Estate, guests are greeted with our famous family hospitality, homemade meals and heartwarming musical productions. Lunch matinees and dinner shows are complimented by itineraries that include tours of our other historic properties, or excursions into Joliet's vibrant downtown. The Jacob Henry Mansion Estate Dinner Theatre welcomes groups with onsite motorcoach parking and handicap accessibilty.
Sangamon Auditorium - University of Illinois Springfield
The auditorium presents a broad range of music, theater and dance performances.
Lincoln-Way North Performing Arts Center
Now in its 35th season, the Illinois Philharmonic Orchestra (IPO) is the largest performing arts organization in Chicago's Southland - providing professional orchestral music of beauty and excellence to the region. The IPO's repertoire ranges from Baroque and Classical masterpieces, to world premieres and modern favorites.
Illinois Philharmonic Orchestra
The renowned Illinois Philharmonic Orchestra, led by Music Director David Danzmayr, performs a full season of classical masterpieces, American music, and entertaining popular works at the Lincoln-Way North Performing Arts Centers in Frankfort, IL.
CITY:Park Forest
Theatre Historical Society of America
Theatre Historical Society of America features archives and gallery space showcasing the history of America's theatres in photos, blueprints and artifacts.Rotating exhibits highlight the history of different theatres.
This 488-Seat theater hosts several productions each year that features both student and guest performers. During the academic year there are four major productions. The McLeod Summer Theater also produces three or four to finish out the season.
Citadel Theatre is dedicated to producing inspiring theatre by bringing together gifted professionals from all the theatrical disciplines to create exciting, compelling work of the highest caliber.
CITY:Lake Forest
John A. Logan College O'Neil Auditorium
Located within the John A. Logan Community College, this 316 seat theater is host to many collegiate and community performances.
Featuring concerts, plays, art exhibits and dance. Wireless headsets for hearing impaired and wheelchair seating available.
Located in Hyde Park, this stunning Gothic chapel (funded by a gift to the University of Chicago by John D. Rockefeller) hosts regular performances by the Rockefeller Chapel Choir and visiting musical artists.
An astonishingly well-equipped theater in its 42nd season. Plays and musicals running May-August.
Check out live performances in 135-seat, creatively renovated theater. Call for information. Rent theater for private events.
Home of the best long-form improv comedy in Chicago, iO offers two theatre spaces with performances by some of the best comedians around.
This cozy, professional theater presents year round productions, including comedies, dramas and musicals.
Light Opera Works presents a season of professional musical theater with a full orchestra at Cahn Auditorium.


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Clutching a Bible and a bag of oranges he picked at the kibbutz where he lives, Haifa University archaeologist Adam Zertal climbs into an armored van beside me. A vehicle full of soldiers is in front of us; two Israeli Army vans are behind us. The convoy sets off through the heavily guarded gates of the settlement of Karnei Shomron and onto a dusty mountain road in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. Through bulletproof windows six inches thick, we soon see the Palestinian city of Nablus in the valley below. After ten minutes the convoy stops, and an officer from the lead vehicle, an Uzi automatic weapon slung over his shoulder, runs back to consult with Zertal's driver in Hebrew. "We are waiting for clearance for this section of the road," Zertal tells me. "There has been trouble here in the past."
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After 20 minutes the convoy moves on. The track peters out onto a plateau, and we can see the mountains of Gerizim and Kebir on the other side of the valley. Ahead lies Zertal's destination: a heap of stones he chanced upon in 1980 and excavated for nine years. It doesn't look like much at first, but closer inspection reveals a rectangular structure, about 30 feet by 23 feet, with thick walls and a ramp leading up to a platform ten feet high. Zertal believes the structure was the altar that the Bible says the prophet Joshua built on Mount Ebal—the altar he built on instructions from Moses, after the Israelites had crossed into the promised land of Canaan. This, Zertal says, is where Joshua allotted the new land among the 12 tribes, and where the Israelites "became a people," as the Old Testament puts it.
"The altar was supposed to be nonexistent, a legend," says Zertal, leaning on crutches, a legacy of wounds he suffered in combat during the 1973 Yom Kippur War against Egypt and Syria. "At first we didn't know what we were excavating."
We sit on a rock, looking at the ramp and walls, and open up a Bible. The Book of Joshua describes the building of the altar, but Moses' instructions come earlier, in Deuteronomy 27:4: "So when you have crossed over the Jordan you shall set up these stones, about which I am commanding you today, on Mount Ebal, and you shall cover them with plaster." Meanwhile, four soldiers circle around us, guns at the ready, scouring the hillside for snipers.
Nearly every friday for the past 28 years, Zertal has gathered friends and students to map the hills and desert on the Jordan River's west bank, seeking evidence that would illuminate how the ancient Israelites entered Canaan, or modern-day Israel and Palestine, in the late 13th century b.c. In this search, the Old Testament has quite literally been his guide. This approach was once common for archaeologists in Israel, but in recent years it has come to define an extreme position in a debate over whether the Bible should be read as historical fact or metaphorical fiction.
Those in Zertal's camp say that all, or nearly all, the events in the early books of the Old Testament not only actually happened but are supported by material evidence on the ground. On the other side are the so-called biblical minimalists, who argue that the Old Testament is literary rather than historical—the work of ideologues who wrote it between the fifth and second centuries b.c.—and that Moses, Joshua, David and Solomon never even existed. A third group accepts the Bible as folk memory transmuted into myth—a mixture of fact and fiction. They argue over the balance between the two.
The various points of view have focused on a few fundamental questions: Did the Israelites, under Moses and then Joshua, leave Egypt, conquer Canaan and establish settlements in the 13th century b.c.? And did David and then Solomon preside over a great united kingdom, with its capital in Jerusalem and its temple on the Temple Mount, 200 years later?
In Israel, these questions reach beyond academe to the nation's very sense of itself. In the Israeli collective consciousness, the kingdom of David and Solomon is the model for the nation-state. Under Ariel Sharon, the government invoked the Bible to support the Israeli presence in the occupied territories on the West Bank, in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits civilian settlements on occupied territory. The Jewish struggle for sovereignty over all Jerusalem is also traced to biblical accounts of David's kingdom and Solomon's temple.
Yet most archaeologists in Israel insist their work has nothing to do with politics. Their debates, they say, focus on what is in the Bible, and what is in the ground.
For the literalists, the stones at Mount Ebal are crucial. "If this corroborates exactly what is written in that very old part of the Bible," says Zertal, "it means that probably other parts are historically correct. The impact is tremendous."


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Skip to comments.Cain leads Romney by eight nationally, Perry in 4th (Newt now in 3rd place!)
Posted on 10/12/2011 8:47:50 PM PDT by jageorge72
"Gingrich is up a nominal five points, and Romney four, while Paul is down six, and Bachmann four."
(Excerpt) Read more at publicpolicypolling.com ...
It will boil down to Newt vs. Mittens. I think Newt will get key endorsements from Rick Perry and Sarah Palin as well.
Conservatives rising, liberals falling.
Somebody please tell me which is worse. Romneycare or Newt cuddling with Nancy on the couch chumming it up over man made global warming?
Don't forget the photo of Newt sitting with Pelosi over global warming. Newt has a ton of baggage that will follow him.
You type faster than I do. Romneycare is slightly worse.
Newt is a brilliant guy, and is without a doubt the smartest guy in the room, just about anywhere he is. Having said that, I'm just not sure whether or not he's presidential type material. I think it was his destiny to be Speaker of the House for half a century, but it just wasn't to be.
Don't get me wrong though, I'd happily do the whole 'broken glass' thing for Newt against 0bama!
If you consider either Newt or Myth Romney to be conservative, I would hate to see your idea of a liberal.
I think Romneycare is worse. I'm not sure if there is anything conservative about Romney. I don't trust the guy.
I'm not happy with Newt either in that regard but at least we know he has had some experience in cutting budgets, at least SOMEONE finally called out Frank and Dodd in a debate. That was about 3 years too late.
I think Newt will stay in 3rd place. He has as much baggage as Myth. Let's not forget that Newt was an actual Rockefeller Repub. He actually worked on his campaigns. His Conservatism was for convenience and can be seen in recent years as questionable.
Easy. Romneycare -- because, only a few weeks ago, Romney stated he a.) believed the world was getting warmer and b.) that man was probably responsible.
At least Newt has said he "made a mistake..."
Oh, what a telling pic! Look at the faces behind him. Is that a Kennedy on the left? The privileged few who care so much for your chilrun! How many $$$ millions do you suppose are in this photo?
"Somebody please tell me which is worse. Romneycare or Newt cuddling with Nancy on the couch chumming it up over man made global warming?"
Now you know.
Why not choose the most brilliant, knowledgeable, experienced, Conservative, Christian, and yes, flawed, candidate that we have to pick from? Newt.
Between Newt and Mitt, I vote for Newt. We are just going to have to wait and see how this all plays out.
Everyone forgets that 5 minutes ago when the Obummer freight train rolled into DC after the '08 election and Repubics were all scared, there were a few who wanted to cozy up to the winning side to curry favor. One such dope was Newt. He actually said "The era of Reagan is over". Who can trust this dude?
Not to worry. Romney will be the nominee. The Republican elites will see to it. Just as they have done in every election since 1980. Then all the good little Republicans will fall in line and tell us how Romney is the second coming of Reagan. Then they will whine and cry for the next four years after Nobama kicks his ass royally.
So Newt was what, some kind of community college professor who taught history or political science. Alvin Toffler's "End of History"... jump on the bandwagon. OK the Contract With America was brilliant, but then he gets lost in the fame and the ego trip and the nookie. Enough of this "Newt Is Brilliant" crap already. A fking history teacher who got scammed by Gorebull Warming. Yeah... BRILLIANT.
He does give a good "debate" though. Lately.
I have to admit I'm giving Newt another look. Cain is absolutely out. 9-9-9 is toxic. A lot not to like about Newt, but it's a rough field. Perry is toast. He flamed out faster than old Fred Thompson.
Yes, Newt is Conservative. He makes mistakes and must be watched. I think he has learned his lesson. In any case, he is the "best of the rest". Cain is a nice guy, he is just too inexperienced in politics and foreign affairs. Yes, the presidency is a "POLITICAL" job. We now have a novice in foreign affairs in that job now. How is that working?
We can't afford the time to "train" the next president.
This is an EIGHT year job, most likely. Cain is too old.
I agree. Perry is DONE. He will be the next one to drop out. His heart isn't in it. He looked pathetic last night.
Romney MUST be stopped!
Disagree about 999 Plan, I think this will be viewed favorably by many Americans. Noot is the one who's going nowhere in the long run.
How old is Herman Cain? His age never crossed my mind as an issue. I'd guess he was younger than Newt, but maybe I'm wrong. Paul is the one on stage that seems too old.
The tea party has apparantly hitched on to a loser—Mr. 9-9-9. If we're gonna stop Romney, I'm running out of ideas. Newt? Santorum? I mean, what the hell?
Here is my calculus. We have these people running: Romney, Cain, Paul, Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, and Huntsman. The last four just aren't going to make it all the way. They'll run out of money and voters. The votes for Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum will break toward Cain or Gingrich. Huntsman's 12 voters will all go to Romney. As the field consolidates, Romney gains virtually nothing while Cain and Gingrich will pick up votes. Gingrich just has too much baggage, I think, to win. He is a brilliant man, but he has made a lot of enemies.
On the flip side, Cain had better increase his money and campaign support if he is to hold in there. Romney really knows how to hold together a truly professional campaign, and he has major backing, so just getting consolidated votes might not be enough.
9 9 9 + 5 years = 20 20 20
Cain is 66 years old.
We can always put a younger man in the pipeline as the VP candidate to keep the flow going and prevent the country from going down the drain into the bidet.
Where exactly is the top?
I hear you! 9-9-9 is a terrible idea, and the other candidates are right to say it'll be 20-20-20. It enshrines a new national sales tax, and at some point the income tax will rise to near present levels. Cain says part of the plan says that it can't be raised without a 2/3 vote. Sorry, Mr. Cain, but the Constitution says a simple majority is enough, and an amendment of this sort just isn't going to pass. 9-9-9 is feared by conservatives, libertarians, liberals, and retirees. It's DOA and politically ridiculous.
Santorum?? He's fine, but he doesn't have a chance. He pushed the values side while everyone is focused on economics. Losing his Senate seat also killed his chances.
Gingrich is probably the best choice of the three, and Newt's dalliances with the Left sicken most of us. To his credit, he is a very brilliant man who, when sane, really understands the economic problems we face. When he's not sane, he starts talking empowerment zones and big government solutions.
Fortunately I'm in a state where the winner is picked by the time I can vote, so I don't have to pick from a list where none of the candidates is satisfactory.
Newt cannot win. He has national poll numbers like Palin. Perry seems to be fading. The new poll showing Obama trouncing him will hurt his fund raising.
The race now looks like a battle between Romney and Cain. I am not sure if Cain has the staying power. Romney has staying power, money, and organization to make it through 6 months of primaries. Cain's best chances are early wins to gain momentum and funds.
All of the candidates are flawed. It is disappointing that a clear favorite has not emerged. I will support the primary winner. If Cain is still viable, I will support him in the Colorado primary. If I were betting, I would put money on Romney.
I like Cain, and even sport his bumper sticker on my car, but he is betting every chip he has on 9-9-9, and it doesn't seem to be gaining in popularity, and that may be a problem for him in the long run.
I agree that Newt has a ton of baggage. But damn, watching him in these debates he looks Presidential.
He's the only person up there who seems 100 percent comfortable with himself and the task at hand.
I'm less worried about his Pelosi couch snuggle than I am about his reprehensible personal life and negatives with the average voter coming out of the 1990's.
I don't have any worries though about him selling out if he was elected. I think he'd implement a ton of smart conservative policies.
I agree! I have always been a Newt supporter because he is by far the smartest and most qualified of them all. However, I wasn't sure he would stick it out until the end. So, I wanted Palin first and Perry/Cain second. Now it looks like Newt is going to be in for the long haul and I am shifting my support to him! He is by far the best, but I repeat myself.
Hopefully sooner rather than later. There sits Romney, while the Tea Party flirts with the guy who wants to tax everything under the sun. Amazing.
I see on the FOX NEWS Website just now, "Cain, a onetime radio-show host and former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, catapulted into the lead in the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/cain-vaults-to-lead-in-poll/#ixzz1adI7ASBW"
This race is really turning into an historic and exciting contest among Republicans!
If fellow Republicans decide to choose Cain (or for that matter Newt) I not only have no problem with that, even though I've been supporting Romney, see Cain on top and Newt rising up puts a smile on my face.
You know, today coming home from work, I caught a glimpse of those "Stop Wall Street Greed" collection of Berkeley types, fat men with straw hats and beards, some stupid Union thugs, ugly women, it was probably about 40 to 60 people on two corners of a busy main street. They wanted us to honk in support - they were slowing traffic.
Well 99% of the drives would not honk. Myself included - we just drove by. I heard only two honks as the slow traffic crept past them.
I was sort of thinking of watching the phony (local) liberal news to see the report since I saw the NBC news van and such, and since I knew the truth I just wanted to see how they spin the news report -— but actually this time I didn't even bother to turn the stupid NBC channel on because I already knew they would just lie to my face.
Many years ago I attended a rally against some liberal judge who was going to declare a prop invalid - the prop was about the people's demand that State benefits are not granted to illegal aliens. In the square, there were about 3,000 people including myself.
The local news for this conservative rally reported "200" at the "protest". Liars.
I was thinking, thanks to Wall Street we have in this country the legal right, for every citizen, to buy shares of stock in share in the ownership and growth of a public business, company, corporation and so on. Thanks to this right, I have invested, enjoyed, and have a handsome pool of value ($) which I look forward to in my last years of life.
These goons I saw today, they want to steal my investment, time and risk I put into this, steal it from me, and even the very right to be part of thousands of others who are joined together in share ownership of a company, to deny this right to all Americans.
They want to steal our right, steal our money - and for what?
So that they can allow the government to get this money, and ???? and do what??? To totally squander this money, this time, these investments on total idiocy, lies, promises which they will never deliver, even if in writing it means nothing, pigs who change the rules and with every change want to steal more from me?
I say stop this GOVERNMENT GREED! It isn't about "BIG GOVERNMENT" anymore ... it's about OBESE GOVERNMENT!
This pigly, selfish, lazy Berkely type losers think they will even get ONE PENNY of the money the government steals from the rest of us? They will only get "slave food".
They make me sick. This pigs held signs "NO TEA PARTY!" and such. And that is why I love the tea party - and I love Mr. Cain.
Go get them Herman!
Many of us are going with Newt or Cain. Nobama has a stage presence that will smack the likes of Romney and Perry square in the jaw. That is a very important matter.
Romney is worse. Newt is sleazy and clumsy sometimes but he is a genius and would make an incredible president. My hunch? Newt is our nominee in the end unless the NYT selects Romney for us again this year. As of now, I'm for Cain with Newt on deck...
I like Newt, but not as presidential material. I think he would make a great VP, though.
Not when the moonbats have skin in the game
Money post of the day, ladies and gentlemen! Absolutely correct in all respects!
I'm not concerned the so-called baggage at this point.
Yup, we're all just stupid yokels that are incapable of determining who the best candidate is, unlike real smart guys like you. We can, however, spell.
Just curious: do you consider yourself conservative? Why would you support Romney? He has a horrible authoritarian health care mandate called RomneyCare, and he is also very weak on the Second Amendment. A Romney candidacy would severely de-energize the critical TEA Party base in 2012.
Just wondering why you support him. Are you from Massachusetts?
I will only vote for Perry or Newt.
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Sedins Hint that they might still Play for Modo if the NHL Season is Cancelled
Thomas Drance
January 04 2013 02:38PM
D.Sedin on maybe going home to play if season axed: "We're going to talk to Markus (Naslund) in the next few days. You have to be prepared."— Elliott Pap (@ElliottPap) January 4, 2013
Based on the Daniel Sedin quote above, it sure sounds like it.
Read past the jump for more.
Back in the summer, Daniel Sedin was quoted by Swedish tabloid Nyheter24 as saying that he and his brother Henrik were considering just taking a full year off of hockey in the event of a full season lockout. They rather quickly backed away from such an absolute statement by clarifying that they'd sit out the first few months of a lockout but would probably look to play with Modo if the lockout cancelled the entire season. They also mentioned that they'd already spoken to Modo General Manager and former Canucks captain Markus Naslund about that possibility.
Today's quote from Pap would be the second public instance in which the Sedins have copped to chatting with Naslund about the prospect of joining their hometown team. This would suggest that the Sedins and Naslund have been in touch, with at least some degree of consistency during the lockout about the prospect of the Sedins playing in Örnsköldsvik (if the NHL season is cancelled in its entirety which, reports indicate Bettman is prepared to do next week). Needless to say, this isn't much of a surprise.
I'd note that Daniel's comments to Pap this afternoon are the second instance in recent weeks of Daniel talking openly about his plans to head to his hometown team with Henrik if the season is scrapped. In late December, Expressen's Jonatan Lindquist e-mailed me a translated quote from Daniel Sedin that was published in Expressen but never made it onto their site in digital form (wait, it's 2013, right?), in which the Canucks sniper reportedly said: "Yes, we have decided to go back to Ö-vik if the season is cancelled. And we are obvisiouly hoping to play with Modo then."
According to Lindquist's translation, Daniel also touched on the subject of insurance in that Expressen interview, saying: "I think that will work out. More than half the season over here will be lost and we only have one year left on our contracts."
If the Sedin twins were to sign with Modo for the rest of the season in a few weeks time, they'd presumably be able to get around the short-contracts hornet's nest that has caused the Swedish Elite League to miss out on so many top-end players during the course of this lockout. They'd also form the Se-Teen triplet line with St. Louis Blues forward Alexander Steen, which would make me very happy.
As would the ability to watch the Sedins play hockey again; even if I'd be resigned to watching their jaw-dropping no-look back-hand passes on grainy, pirated web-streams.
January 04 2013, 06:08PM
I; as many have, judged players for jumping ship and going to Europe. I'm losing my optimism with with CBA fiasco, and now do I judge the Sedin's for wanting just to get on the ice, probably not, but now it shows I may have a double standard around players leaving. Almost the entire Canuck Roster stayed here in Vancouver, that I admire, but I guess if I was in their skates, home sounds like a good idea. Either way you cut it, we sure did not sign up for this mess, but here we are, and there they go..........


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France 1840 – 1926
Study of a figure outdoors: woman with a sunshade turned to the right
[Essai de figure en plein-air: femme à l'ombrelle tournée vers la droite] 1886
oil on canvas
canvas 131.0 (h) x 88.0 (w) cm
Musée d'Orsay, Paris , Gift of Michel Monet, the artist's son 1927
© RMN (Musée d'Orsay) / Hervé Lewandowski
Monet experienced financial success in 1886 when he sold thirteen canvases shown at the Georges Petit gallery in Paris. This allowed him to acquire a small island, Ile aux Orties, near Giverny at the mouth of the Epte, some 80 kilometres west of the capital. The location became a favoured sanctuary for his mistress Alice Hoschedé and their children.1 The island, like his garden and pond at Giverny, also became a subject for his art.
One day in the summer of 1886 Monet looked up from his boat to see the silhouetted figure of Alice's daughter Suzanne Hoschedé standing on the grassy embankment. He was inspired to paint this vision, as it reminded him of the composition he had painted of his late wife Camille and their little son Jean eleven years earlier in 1875.2
This work is one of two versions. Monet has not attempted a recognisable portrait of Suzanne, but rather has painted an ethereal figure, draped in a flowing white dress, wearing a boater with a long scarf fluttering behind her. The features of the woman's face are barely perceptible and perhaps hauntingly recall the face in Monet's vision of his dying wife in 1879.3
In Study of a figure outdoors, much of Suzanne's torso is shaded by a green umbrella, and the shadows in pale blue and green fall across her body rather than shape it. While the other version of this subject shows the young woman being buffeted in the summer breeze4, this canvas depicts her in less dramatic conditions; the sky is a dappled blue, and the long grass pink in the sun—echoed in the evanescent clouds behind her.
During the 1880s Monet appears to have concentrated on landscapes devoid of figures, thus this figure depicted in the outdoors is rare. When both paintings of Suzanne Hoschedé went on display, along with a series of haystacks in 1891, Monet commented:
It's the same young woman, but painted in two different atmospheric effects; I could have done fifteen portraits of her just like the stack of wheat. For me it's only the surroundings which give the real value to subjects.5
Jane Kinsman
Text © National Gallery of Australia, Canberra 2009
From Masterpieces from Paris: Van Gogh, Cézanne, Gauguin and beyond Post-Impressionism from the Musée d'Orsay exhibition book, National Gallery of Australia, Canberra 2009
- After the death of his first wife Camille, Alice Hoschedé became the artist's mistress. In 1892 the couple married after the death of Alice's husband Ernest Hoschedé the year before.
- 'But it's like Camille at Argenteuil!' Virginia Spate, The colour of time: Claude Monet, London: Thames and Hudson 1992, p. 175.
- Daniel Wildenstein, Monet: the triumph of Impressionism, Koln: Taschen; Paris: Wildenstein Insitute 1996, vol. 2, cat. 543, p. 212. The painting referred to is Camille Monet on her deathbed, collection of the Musée d'Orsay, Paris.
- Wildenstein, vol. 3, cat. 1077, p. 408.
- Spate, p. 175 and note.


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News Editor Garrett Fuller had the chance to sit down for a one on one with Erik Morgensen from Games Workshop to talk about Warhammer Online from the perspective of the licenser of the Warhammer IP.
MMORPG.com:2006 was a big year for Games Workshop with the launch of Mark of Chaos, the Dawn of War expansions, and of course the development of Warhammer Online. Can you give us some insight into what is on the plate for 2007?
Erik Mogensen:
First of all, I'd like to wish you and all the MMORPG.com fans out there a very happy New Year. 2007 is going to be very exciting for all of us!
Obviously, the big news for MMO fans is that there is now less than a year to wait until Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning's release date. We all know how fast a year can go by! I'm afraid I'm going to have to resort to the old 'nothing's been announced yet' regarding other projects. Sorry. Our other licensees THQ and Namco Bandai Games have plans in the works, but I'm going to leave it to them to reveal what's cooking when they think the time is right. I'll tell you this much: I'm very busy these days!
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Originally posted by raykorI haven't seen anything stating EA Mythic has the rights for 40k, in fact it seems like they don't cause the developers say they went for Warhammer Fantasy only.
Does anyone know if the 40K IP can be licensed by another company or is it bundled with the fantasy version, and thus currently held by Mythic EA?
The 40K licence is still held by THQ. Mythic holds rights specifically for the creation of MMOs in the Warhammer Fantasy setting.
I believe THQ's licence expires in 2008, however. At least, that was the word last year. They may well have signed another contract by now. There was a rumour floating around in December about THQ's Relic beginning work on a 40K MMO, but I'm doubtful due to their lack of experience in the genre.
Not that this stopped Blizzard.
Personally I can't wait... but I do need to point something out...
He forgot to call them EA Mythic!!! Mwahaha!!
GW and Mythic both bring different areas of expertise to the table, and we work very well together.
I just found that humorous, as he said he had to remember. Either way, I can't wait for the MMO rendition of this IP. Do us justice Mythic (and I call them that on purpose, I refuse to call them EA Mythic on my own time =P)
Originally posted by Term
I would puke if there was a 40k mmorpg. it would need to be an mmofps.
I'm sorry, I thought this was the website I was on. Therefore was supposed to be in discussions about MMORPG's not MMOFPS's. Let's me just check here......yep, that's where I am, so therefore you are on the wrong website. Go play Halo.
Originally posted by Dark_Lord_13
Originally posted by Term
I would puke if there was a 40k mmorpg. it would need to be an mmofps.
I'm sorry, I thought this was the website I was on. Therefore was supposed to be in discussions about MMORPG's not MMOFPS's. Let's me just check here......yep, that's where I am, so therefore you are on the wrong website. Go play Halo.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/487 So Planetside is an MMORPG now? I didn't think so. Most MMO's lost the RP bit a good while ago sadly, so surely this should be MMOG.com? No, as they use one domain, for one general site for MMO's. For example, cheese with a label on it saying bread, does not make it bread.
And yes, 40k to me would suit the MMOFPS platform better than MMORPG.
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At the camp, participants were divided into two tracks and rotated among 16 different workshops. Some of the workshops featured health career skills where participants learned to suture, cast arms, check blood sugar levels, take a blood pressure, intubate, give an injection, provide first-aid and more. In science labs students looked at blood smears through microscopes, extracted their own DNA, made their own teeth impressions, and made chapstick. Careers that were featured included, respiratory therapy, nursing, doctor, physician assistant, occupational therapy, exercise science, veterinary, physical therapy, EMT, pharmacy, genetics, medical technologist, and dentistry.
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Hot Hot Heatley
Jason Gregor
June 09 2009 11:07PM
With Dany Heatley announcing he wants out of Ottawa and into the Western conference you can bet that 14 teams in West are preparing their offer. The Wings can't take Heatley because he makes more than Lidstrom and that goes against their policy, not to mention Zetterberg and Datsyuk make less as well.
It is rare to see a superstar traded for a superstar. The last time it happened, Heatley was dealt for Marian Hossa. In the West, there are only two players that fit the bill for this to happen again.
Rick Nash and Dion Phaneuf.
Those trades are at least plausible, although with Phaneuf only 24 and Nash 25, I wonder if the Jackets and Flames would have some reservations.
No other team in the western conference has a guy that would be a realistic option. The Ducks aren't moving Getzlaf for Heatley. Getzlaf brings way more to the table. The Oilers, Blues, Wild, Avalanche, Stars, Canucks, Sharks and Coyotes have no one even close. Luongo has one year left on his deal, and the Sens have Leclaire locked in at $3.8 million.
Guys like Shea Weber, Duncan Keith and Anze Kopitar would get the discussion started but aren't enough straight up.
So let's look at some realistic options, and take into account age, salary and the Sens' needs. Their most glaring need is a top two D-man, and those are hard to find, or at least a proven offensive D-man. They need some scoring depth, preferably a LW, but if he can score and plays C or RW they will take him.
I said the Wings are out, and I can guarantee that Heatley doesn't want to go to the mess in Phoenix. We can argue all day about which destinations are the best, but I'd rather look at who can make viable offers.
Remember that it is very rare that teams come close to giving up fair value when acquiring a top-end talent in his prime. The Oilers fleeced the Blues when they got the Human Rake, the Ducks fleeced the Oilers for the same Rake and the Sharks fleeced the Bruins for Jumbo Joe. Ask Habs fans if they got market value for Patrick Roy.
The Blues got Brewer, Lynch and Woywitka. The Oilers got Lupul, Smid and 1st and a bonus 1st because the Ducks won the Cup. The Bruins got Sturm, Stuart and Wayne Primeau. The Habs got Kovalenko, Thibault and Rucinsky while Keane went with Roy.
One of the best players traded recently was Brad Richards to Dallas and the Lightning got Jeff Halpern, Mike Smith, Jussi Jokinen and 4th rounder for Richards and Johan Holmqvist. The odds are the Sens won't get as big a return as many will predict in the next few weeks.
They have loads of cap space and lots of good young prospects. Would Alexander Frolov and Jack Johnson be enough? With a prospect involved it would be close, as long as Johnson doesn't actually want $5 a season. If he does he'll be sitting out for a long time.
Vlasic and Ehrhoff are the most attractive on the back end, but it would take them plus a good forward to get the convo started. Marleau and his $6.3 million is not a contract the Sens would want. The Sharks biggest problem is that they only have 13 guys under contract and I don't see them parting with Boyle. Doug Wilson has a reputation of making surprise moves, so you can't rule out the Sharks. If the Sens could get Clowe signed then I could see the Sharks getting involved, but they would have to move Marleau after because they would have way too much salary (over $52 million) tied up in 13 guys.
How good would Joe Nieuwendyk look if one of his first moves was to acquire Heatley? The Stars have cap space to play with, but do they have enough to entice the Sens? The Sens would love Morrow but I don't see the Stars trading their captain. They have no one who is close to a top-two D-man, so I don't see them being in the hunt.
They always seem to be involved in trades. The Whitney for Kunitz deal surprised many, but they wanted him to replace Niedermayer and the Human Rake. If they move Whitney their backend becomes pretty thin. They have three young guns in Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan, but after that they have no forwards that would entice the Sens. I think the Sens would take Ryan, but I doubt Anaheim wants to move him.
Nash straight up would be interesting, but I doubt we'll see that. Scott Howson has some good young players and decent depth on his backend. Would a Hejda, Klesla and Voracek get the convo started? I think it might. The Sens need some depth on the backend and while neither of those two is overly offensive, they can comfortably play 20 minutes each. Rumours are swirling that the Jackets might have to trim some salary, so I wonder how it would look if they bring in a guy making $7.5 million.
They love Shea Weber and he only seems to be getting better. This would be gutsy move by the Preds, but Poile has shown a propensity to make those moves in recent years. What about Suter, Erat and Tootoo? The Sens would add just over a million in salary but they'd get three players, and Tootoo could replace Chris Neil.
Would the Blues part with young Erik Johnson? Larry Pleau would love to make a splash and get a gunner like Heatley and could make a reasonable offer of young guys. Would Jackman, Oshie and Perron be too much or not enough proven talent? The Blues have Boyes and Backes as well. I think Pleau and the Blues have to be considered a legitimate option. The only problem is if Heatley didn't like Cory Clouston, is there any chance he'll play for Andy Murray?
They have lots of young talent but none are proven scorers just yet. Does Dale Tallon try to speed up the process and get a sniper? Trading Keith might not seem wise, but he only has a year left before he gets a big raise. I think the Hawks could put together the best offer; the question is whether Tallon wants to let his young guys grow together or try to win now? Toews and Kane seem untouchable, but Sharp, Barker and Versteeg could still be a great package. It will be interesting to watch if Tallon gives up potential for proven value. I'd go with the proven value.
After watching them hang their coach out to dry, the expected retirement of Joe Sakic, and no top end D-man that would fit the Sens' need I don't see any way that rookie GM Greg Sherman gets into the sweepstakes.
Chuck Fletcher would love to land Heatley to replace Gaborik. Maybe he gives the Sens permission to talk to Gaborik and if they come to a contract agreement they trade snipers. The Sens might want another body, because of Gaborik's health history, but a Gaborik for Heatley deal would make for a great debate on who won the deal. I don't think Johnsson, Zidlicky or Schultz is good enough as a starting point for a three-for-one deal. Outside of the Gaborik longshot I don't see the Wild being involved.
It is interesting to hear how Phaneuf is perceived amongst fans and the players. In a recent poll he was voted the most overrated player in the game, while many others still see him as a Norris Trophy candidate for many years to come. The only way the Flames can bring Heatley back to his home town is by dealing one of their big tickets. I can't see them moving Iginla or Kiprusoff so that leaves Jokinen and Regehr. No chance the Sens take Jokinen, so if they don't want to part with Phaneuf it would have to be Regehr. The problem is the Flames don't have any forwards that would interest the Sens, unless the Sens would take Cammalleri. And if he wants over $5 million I don't see that happening. Heatley's parents live just outside Calgary, so the Flames will be in the hunt, but would they deal Phaneuf? Would you Flames fans?
Many of Mike Gillis' best assets are UFAs in the Sedin Sisters and Ohlund, but could a package of Bieksa, Kesler and the speedy Raymond land him Heatley? It might, but that would leave the Canucks with eleven players signed for only $35 million, and that would end any chance of re-signing the twins. Maybe Gillis gives the Sens permission to talk to the Sisters, and if they can sign them for $11 million maybe he'd take Heatley and Filip Kuba. The Sens get some offensive depth, and the Canucks don't trade part with a signed player. Bryan Murray will look at every option to try and keep his team competitive.
The Oilers have depth at the one position the Sens really want; offensive D-man. Souray and Visnovsky have NMC in their contract, and their age probably doesn't intrigue the Sens, but Gilbert and Grebeshkov are two guys the Sens would like. Gilbert has more value around the league, so a package would have to start with him. Gilbert, Cogliano and Pisani would at least get them in the conversation. Maybe the Sens ask for O'Sullivan instead of Pisani. The Sens will have no interest in Penner, Horcoff or Nilsson. So that limits the Oilers in what package they can offer, but a Gilbert, Cogliano, O'Sullivan package seems comparable to what the other teams will offer.
Heatley has a 4 million dollar signing bonus due on July 1st, and since you can't exchange money in trades, you'd expect this trade to occur before then. You'd expect Murray to move him before then, because once teams start to sign UFAs that would reduce the amount of teams that could afford Heatley's large salary.
I think it is realistic to say that there are 10 teams in the West who have a realistic shot of offering the Sens a package they would like. The biggest hurdle will be if Heatley agrees to go to that team. To me it is absolutely ridiculous that a player asks for a no-trade clause and then one year later wants to get traded.
Either way many teams, and their fans, will be hoping to land one of the few proven snipers in the league.
I kind of think you're overvaluing Heatley. It's not like his contract is a bargain at 7.5 mil. Nearly all your packages are too much, IMO, I don't see teams moving multiple cheap good players to acquire Heatley, hard to see how it makes "cap sense".
And I disagree that Keith wouldn't be enough straight up, I think OTT makes that deal quickly.
And CHI doesn't entertain it, with their cap situation.
Actually, I shouldn't say that, I suppose CHI might consider it if they KNEW they could sign Bouwmeester or another UFA D this summer.
They'd have to let Havlat go to make it work under the cap, so they'd essentially be trading Havlat and Keith for Heatley and Bouwmeester, paying 7 or 8 mil more this year for that combo and ??? more going forward. I don't think they make that deal, but I suppose it's possible.
June 09 2009, 11:28PM
No way the Oil are giving up 3 roster players if 1 of those guys is named Cogs or Gags. Not a chance. At the top of your article you noted that in recent History the team losing the Star doesnt get close to value, and a lot of the guys you've highlighted are pretty good deals for the Sens. Frolov and Johnson. Thats a duo that could get a lot around the league, and probably a little overkill to get a player who is demanding out of his current team.
Heatley is an amazing player, but the Sens would be lucky to get a top 2 PMD, a serviceable Vet like Pisani, AND a roster player like Cogs who has a bright future ahead of him.
June 09 2009, 11:35PM
Something like Versteeg and Kieth would be interesting... also I don't think it would take much more then just Weber to land Heatly.
Another good comparable is the Bure trade.
Other then 22 year old Jovanaski (who had been a minor disapointment up to that point) the Canucks really didn't recieve a whole lot.
When the Sharks land Heatley, the Oil moves Sheldon Souray and Ethan Moreau to San Jose for Patrick Marleau and Douglas Murray. Also, I think they've got big time interest in moving up to the 4/5 spot for Evander Kane. Could the Oil flip picks with Atlanta in a deal where Kari Lehtonen and Colby Armstrong also come back? You could move Staios for a late round pick, right? Nilsson? Sign Bouwmeester.
Ogden Brother wrote:
Other then 22 year old Jovanaski (who had been a minor disapointment up to that point) the Canucks really didn't recieve a whole lot.
He was still a good prospect though, and he panned out pretty well.
Heatley is a perennial top-ten scorer, I'd do whatever I could to get him, even at 7.5 per.
I'd trade Gilbert and (O')Sullivan I think they could make some sweet music together in Ottawa. Funny, up-beat music that only old people find hilarious. Might throw in Eberle, or another prospect, but not Gilbert, Gags/Cogs AND Sully.
RE: Nilsson. Could they pull the same type of move Tampa pulled with Radim Vrbata? Bury him in Europe? Or bury him in the minors if you can't move him. He could come into camp as a wildcard if nothing else.
speeds wrote:
I kind of think you're overvaluing Heatley
I couldn't agree more.
Tom Gilbert and the 10th pick to Phoenix for Ilya Bryzgalov and the mug pick?
^^ mug = 6th. Stupid T9word on cel phone! Gilbert and 10th for Bryzgalov and 6th?
This is a great time for Tambo to shuffle the deck and try and get some more fire power here. One thing is for sure, our biggest weakness is a scoring winger, and has been for years. Look at the amount of quality wingers that COULD be available this summer...
-Heatley -Havlat -Jagr -Gaborik -Hossa -D.Sedin -Kovalev -Sullivan
Whether it's Heatley or someone else on the list, it's probably the best crop in a while. Boy would it be nice to acquire Heatley this season, and then sign Nash as a UFA next season... (drools into a 11.4 liter ice cream bucket until it over-flows)
Oh shit, what's this cap thing?
I like Bryzgalov, but what would Phoenix do for goaltending. Regardless of where they end up (Phoenix? Hamilton? Kansas City?) they will need a proven goaltender. I like Mikael Tellqvist but that's not him. If we can land Bryz, I will buy his jersey.
I do Cogliano, Gilbert, and O'Sullivan/Pisani for Heatley easily. While I agree it's much, that'd be a steal for the Oilers, especially if they take Pisani's +2 mil off the books. Also, Weber is a way better defenceman than Phaneuf.
Gilbert,Sully, Moreau, Chorney and 2010 2nd rnd they could use moreau to replace Neil for Heatly
For those of you who missed Rishaug on TEAM1260 a half hour ago, TSN has learned that Heatley would be willing to waive his NMC to accept a trade to Edmonton.
Apparently McKenzie is on the TEAM at 7:15am Edmonton time and will help shake down what's going on.
I think we wait, and not lose some roster players and go after J-Bo. But if we are making the trade, Gregors proposal is a good idea.....
June 10 2009, 07:27AM
humantorch wrote:
Apparently McKenzie is on the TEAM at 7:15am Edmonton time and will help shake down what's going on.
It's interesting to hear opinions about our team from someone outside. We spend so much time debating about, say, whether Hemsky is 'great' or 'elite' and McKenzie comes on and calls him a 'glorified 23 goal scorer'. Snap.
I would not rule out the Sens having to take a guy like Penner or Staois in the deal. Let's not forget they are trying to dump a $7.5M cap hit in tough economic times with a shrinking cap. They are not dealing from a position of strength here. One of your stars demands a trade and is making a boatload of cash. Both count against the Sens getting true value.
June 10 2009, 07:57AM
MattL wrote:
Ogden Brother wrote: Other then 22 year old Jovanaski (who had been a minor disapointment up to that point) the Canucks really didn't recieve a whole lot. He was still a good prospect though, and he panned out pretty well. Heatley is a perennial top-ten scorer, I'd do whatever I could to get him, even at 7.5 per. I'd trade Gilbert and (O')Sullivan I think they could make some sweet music together in Ottawa. Funny, up-beat music that only old people find hilarious. Might throw in Eberle, or another prospect, but not Gilbert, Gags/Cogs AND Sully.
He certainly was a good prospect at the time, but a former #1 overall, picked as a Dman with high end offense that was going into year 5 without cracking 25 points is starting to have some serious question marks. And he was by far and away the best piece Vancouver got.
That said, I think your close to what it would take: Gilbert/O'sully/High pick or top prospect.
June 10 2009, 07:57AM
Gilbert, Cogliano and O'Sullivan is too high a price too pay, mostly because of the cap; that's three cheap, effective guys for one big scorer - and the Oilers are going to need cheap, effective guys.
Gilbert, Cogliano/O'Sullivan, and Eberle. Heatley's coming off too sub-par seasons, and with both Havlat and Gaborik approaching unrestricted free agency and given Heatley's deal, I'm not at all sure he's as hot a commodity as Ottawa would like.
This is the worst possible time for Ottawa to trade him.
Besides, that's already a better package than Boston got for Joe Thornton.
Heatley's point-per-game career, 2 50-goal seasons, 5 35+ goal seasons, and one-shot scoring ability make him an absolute must-get if he's interested in coming to Edmonton.
Just as some could argue that Heatley is being overvalued, perhaps those same fans are overvaluing Gilbert, Cogliano, and O'Sullivan? We Oiler fans have a history of overvaluing our prospects/young players...
I'm just saying...a player of Heatley's calibre who would want to play in Edmonton doesn't come around often.
June 10 2009, 08:01AM
Incidentally, I've been looking at blogs for teams around the league, and there's surprisingly little interest in Heatley.
Most of them knock his character; this is his second trade request, and he wants out because he was upset with Cory Clouston (who hasn't even been there half a season). He's not much of a two-way player, either, and he's bloody expensive.
Don't get me wrong, as a GM I'd still be interested, but I wonder if perhaps we're overstating the number of teams interested in him. Just a thought.
June 10 2009, 08:21AM
@ Jonathan Willis: couldnt agree more about the Gregor package being a little too pricy. And I think people need to forget about superstars vs utility guys and prospects. Trades like this do not return fair value. It doesnt matter if some people think that Gilbert, Sullivan, and Cogs is closer to fair value for Heatley, because this trade isnt going to be a hockey trade.
The Sens would be lucky to get ANY of the players mentioned from the Teams Gregor listed, nevermind all of the players from each team mentioned. The biggest need on the Sens is a PMD and the Oilers might be the only team actively shopping one of their PMDs anyway. I doubt that there are too many teams that will be offering a guy better than Gilbert right off the bat. Maybe after some kinda bidding war, but I bet it doesnt get that far.
This is the best part of the off season, all the trade rumours and what not. Fantastic reading/wasting of valubale work time...
I really have no idea what it would take to get Heatley to the Oil but the activity in the next month (all over the NHL not just here) is going to be very interesting!!!
Go get 'em Tambellini
A team like LA has something to offer that the Oil do not - a chance to move up in the draft. Johnson, the 5th and a salary dump for Heatley and the 9th.
June 10 2009, 08:26AM
Heatley's reportedly willing to waive his NMC to come to Edmonton. Here's what I think it would take to get him here.
But does Heatley want to go to Los Angeles? It's Heatley's choice, not Murray's.
June 10 2009, 08:29AM
@ RossCreek:
I wonder if the lustre hasn't come off Jack Johnson. He's already been traded once, will probably be traded again, was -15 in only 41 games this year (worst pace on the team) and is coming off a serious shoulder injury.
Still a good player, IMO, but after squabbling with Carolina and with things going south in LA I think any team interested would need to ask some serious questions.
June 10 2009, 08:31AM
GSC wrote:
But does Heatley want to go to Los Angeles? It's Heatley's choice, not Murray's.
I know that if I were Bryan Murray, the conversation would go something like this:
HEATLEY: Brian, I don't like Cory and I want a trade. MURRAY: So you're waiving your no-movement clause? HEATLEY: No, I still have to approve any destination. MURRAY: Go to hell. HEALTEY: I won't waive my no-movement clause to go to hell. I'll consider a dozen or so teams in the Western Conference. MURRAY: You're demanding a trade. Either give me the ability to make one, or get comfortable to play the next five years here in Ottawa.
June 10 2009, 08:33AM
Heatley > Hemsky + Grebs + Plante
I would make the deal for Hemsky + Grebs + Plante.
If Hemsky is what gets the ball rolling on this deal I would easily do it. We have enough playmakers on the team that could get the job done with Heatley's finish.
Soon enough Gagner is going to be a very good, possibly great playmaker just like Hemsky and when that time comes what happens? Hemsky to Gagner back to Hemsky who moves it over to Gagner then quickly back to Hemsky... and so on. Basically what I'm trying to get at is having a Heatley-Hemsky duo would be great but it probably isn't realistic and I would much rather see Heatley-Gagner in the future then Hemsky-Gagner.
Just my 2 cents.
June 10 2009, 08:36AM
@ Jonathan Willis: I like your proposal Jon. I wouldnt pay more than that. I wonder if Edmonton becomes a serious trading partner whether or not Murray will be asking Smith for some advice about guys here. Maybe one of the older guys leaves here with Gator's endorsement.
Jonathan Willis wrote:
Don't get me wrong, as a GM I'd still be interested, but I wonder if perhaps we're overstating the number of teams interested in him. Just a thought.
Certainly a possibility and if that's the case the price certainly comes down. I'd expect about 5 teams to make serious pitches, hopefully the Oil are among them.
Obviously things will change depending on Heatley's shortlist(good news that the Oil are on it though).
June 10 2009, 08:40AM
@ OvenChicken8:
Who plays RW next season with Heatley?
A trade for Heatley means the Oilers are interested in contending now. Trading Hemsky means that the Oilers don't have a RW on the first line to contend with.
In other words, if Hemsky is the cost, I'd rather continue with a slower rebuild and put together a complete team rather than stripping off young talent to build a team that isn't good enough to contend anyway.
Heatley/Hemsky give this team a great duo up front. Heatley for Hemsky fills one hole while creating another - the hole it fills is probably bigger, but it cost an extra 3MM or so in salary to do it and there's still a gaping hole.
I agree that perhaps some of the lustre has worn off Johnson, but if Ottawa wants a d man, johnson would likely be in play. The real intriguing part to the Sens is a chance to move up into the top 5. I think the top 7 picks are well above and beyond picks 8 and later. Not to mention the cap space they could free up to land a guy like Cammalleri. And why wouldn't Heatley want to go to LA? Beach, weather, team on the rise, chance to still play with an elite center in Kopitar.
June 10 2009, 08:45AM
Jonathan Willis wrote:
Heatley's reportedly willing to waive his NMC to come to Edmonton. Here's what I think it would take to get him here.
Pretty much bang on (your article) though I could see Ott being interested in Nilsson as a throw in, one of their biggest problems last year was a lack of forward depth, they literally had one elite line and 3 3rd/4th lines.
June 10 2009, 08:46AM
Jonathan Willis wrote:
@ RossCreek: I wonder if the lustre hasn't come off Jack Johnson. He's already been traded once, will probably be traded again, was -15 in only 41 games this year (worst pace on the team) and is coming off a serious shoulder injury. Still a good player, IMO, but after squabbling with Carolina and with things going south in LA I think any team interested would need to ask some serious questions.
Agreed again, JJ is probably one of the most overated players in the league. Sure he's got potential, but he's really done nothing and he's got attitude problems to boot.
I wouldn't mind seeing a gilbert, pisani, nilsion, and next year 1st for heatly and one of ottawa prospects
June 10 2009, 08:50AM
@ Jonathan Willis:
Good thing I refreshed the page, I was about to rip into him for offering up Hemsky but I knew someone would do a better job ;)
Short of Hemsky and Gagner, I would consider moving anyone to pick up Heatley. I agree that Gilbert, O'Sullivan and Cogliano is a bit of a steep asking price, but if that's what it takes so be it.
This one-shot scorer to play with Hemsky that everyone has been clamoring for year after year, Heatley is that guy. Best of all, he can be had through trade rather than free agency. If we want to get someone like Hossa, the bidding STARTS at 7.5M (and personally I like Heatley over Hossa at equal salaries), he has to be convinced to go to Edmonton over any other destination, and then we have to find a way to free up the cap space to sign him which probably means trading away guys for less than their value.
If I'm Tambo I do everything in my power to make this happen.
June 10 2009, 08:53AM
Forgot to mention that getting Heatley has the added bonus of instantly justifying Horcoff's salary as he easily puts up 75 points playing between Hemmer and Heatley ;)
June 10 2009, 08:54AM
Brent Sutter stepped down from the Devils! Looks like he could be the next Head Coach of the Oilers!......What's that?.....Really? We already signed one of those?....Nevermind, Carry on.
June 10 2009, 08:57AM
Ogden Brother wrote:
Jonathan Willis wrote: @ RossCreek: I wonder if the lustre hasn't come off Jack Johnson. He's already been traded once, will probably be traded again, was -15 in only 41 games this year (worst pace on the team) and is coming off a serious shoulder injury. Still a good player, IMO, but after squabbling with Carolina and with things going south in LA I think any team interested would need to ask some serious questions. Agreed again, JJ is probably one of the most overated players in the league. Sure he's got potential, but he's really done nothing and he's got attitude problems to boot.
Also, in a few weeks it will be 4 years from his draft class, so he's getting close to put up or shut up time.
June 10 2009, 08:58AM
Mike Krushelnyski wrote:
@ Jonathan Willis: Good thing I refreshed the page, I was about to rip into him for offering up Hemsky but I knew someone would do a better job Short of Hemsky and Gagner, I would consider moving anyone to pick up Heatley. I agree that Gilbert, O'Sullivan and Cogliano is a bit of a steep asking price, but if that's what it takes so be it. This one-shot scorer to play with Hemsky that everyone has been clamoring for year after year, Heatley is that guy. Best of all, he can be had through trade rather than free agency. If we want to get someone like Hossa, the bidding STARTS at 7.5M (and personally I like Heatley over Hossa at equal salaries), he has to be convinced to go to Edmonton over any other destination, and then we have to find a way to free up the cap space to sign him which probably means trading away guys for less than their value. If I'm Tambo I do everything in my power to make this happen.
But on the flip side, if we signed Hossa for Heatly's contract, we could probably trade Gilbert and O'sully for a basket of picks/prospects. We'd actually come out ahead ;)
@ Arch Holy man, where have you been? You just found out about Sutter or what? ;-) Does Gilbert, Cogliano and O'Sullivan for Heatley and Lee get it done for you guys (Willis)
June 10 2009, 09:02AM
Archaeologuy wrote:
Brent Sutter stepped down from the Devils! Looks like he could be the next Head Coach of the Oilers!……What's that?…..Really? We already signed one of those?….Nevermind, Carry on.
On that topic, is there anyone at all out there who thinks he won't sign with the Flames? You heard it here first; if they miss the playoffs/get knocked out in round 1 again, Daryl and Brent Sutter will end up getting into a fistfight during the press conference.
June 10 2009, 09:10AM
RossCreek wrote:
Does Gilbert, Cogliano and O'Sullivan for Heatley and Lee get it done for you guys
I dont know much about Lee at all. He doesnt seem like he would be a better NHLer than Cogs. That is the part of the Deal where i think the Oil would be over-paying. I really dont think it would take that much to get Heatley at this point.
June 10 2009, 09:10AM
@ RossCreek:
Maybe. I'd try and counter, taking out Cogliano and inserting something like a combo of Brule/Eberle.
June 10 2009, 09:12AM
@ Librarian Mike:
Matheson says that Brent Sutter will not go to Calgary.
June 10 2009, 09:15AM
Jonathan Willis wrote:
Matheson says that Brent Sutter will not go to Calgary.
Maybe not this year, but after he takes a season to fix the Rebels and his farm, what about then? This Saga has played out exactly how people thought it would, why take too much of a detour now.
Just my opinion Arch, but over the past few months I've come to the conclusion that you over value Cogliano. Moreso than anyone else. That is not to say that I think he is no good, just that I think you over value him. Is he your favorite Oiler? Just asking.


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