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Most of the people think that Tobi is Obito, I have seen many theories from the A to Z, but main reasons for which people says that Tobi is Obito is first for Tobi's name and how is read backwards, edit: dammz good eye just destroyed this theory because Obito backwards is Otibo.
Edit 2: Chimie (translator) explained that in japanese the obito/tobi backwards theory works. read his post: http://www.mangashare.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=43
In the last three chapters we have seen many theories to flop in the dirt, some like Akatsuki leader (by then Pein), was actually Arashi Kazame (Yondaime Hokage).
Not matter how we look at it, each member of Akatsuki have a personal reason behind his desire of being a member of that organization, but why someone like Obito would like to create or be part of an organization like Akatsuki. Why someone who strongly belives that those who break rules are called trash, but those who abandon a companion are worse than thrash, would like to be part of something like Akatsuki which sooner or later is going to attack the big five remaining nations in order to have control of war market?.
Ok, I know that is simple to say Obito is Tobi because he has a hole in the eye were Obito is supposed to have an eye. I noticed something today, Kishimoto is forcing to think in that way, forcing us to assume something just because is logical to assume it and then he comes and surprise us with something that was out of our imagination but which fit perfectly in the serie. Basically he wants to put limits to our imagination, that's what I believe.
There's not way in which Obito could be a traitor or someone like Tobi at all. There was a solid theory about Obito being mind controlled by then Akatsuki Leader "Pein", but since we know that he is Sharingan User and also acts like the leader of Akatsuki is hard to believe or think in that theory seriously. Obito strongly believed in the white fang as a hero and he is who actually told Kakashi that those who abandon a companion are worse than trash [Picture/Image].
So even if Tobi is Obito someone who believed in what he said strong enough to say that he'll crush that idea of shinobi, is someone who would never abandon a companion. Why he abandoned Deidara then?, simple he is not Obito.
Ok Alterno i'll believe your theory, but then who the hell is behind Tobi's mask?.
If he is an Uchiha, he just could be two persons.
The first one that come to my mind is Uchiha Madara, it just would explain a lot of things like:
The Second person that come to my mind is Shisui Uchiha, his name means still Water. he was considered by that time the a master of the Body Flicker Technique, meaning that he could move so fast that it would look like if he were teleporting himself from a point to another. He was found drowned in the river from what appeared to be suicide though the Konoha Military Police believed it to be murder. We know that there are some medical-nin with the ability to change bodies, just like Kabuto did when he was in the hospital and while yamato was tracking him.
- Uchiha Madara being Tobi, would explain why Kazuzu was a member of Akatsuki, the reason is because they both fought against Shodai Hokage.
- It would explain why they didn't told Itachi the true about Sasuke, he is looking for container, since his body should be rotting already.
- It would explain his Sharingan.
How can someone considered as one of the most talented shinobi in the Uchiha clan, be killed that easy?, just two thing come to my mind.
I can't really go deep in this theory, but far as I know only Sasuke's family had access to the secrets of the Uchiha clan or were something like the keepers of the secret, in fact that some secrets were hidden at Sasuke's house, there's a chapter/episode where Itachi tell Sasuke to search for a scroll at his house. So he has a motive, obtain information about the sharingan, information to which only a few in the clan had access. Another thing that makes me think about Tobi being Suishui Uchiha, is the page 19 of the chapter 364, is where he jumps leaving a small track behind, just like the body flicker technique.
- Itachi abilities including his Sharigan are something god like, even against the most talented people of his clan.
- Shisui didn't die, he used someone else's body and made it look like his body, killed.
Is really hard to tell which of those two is Tobi, but I'm sure about something... Tobi is not Obito.


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Emery County little league baseball sign ups will be held on March 15-16 from 6-8 p.m. at the following places: Elmo- city hall, Cleveland-fire station, Huntington-old city hall, Castle Dale-Rec center, Orangeville- Cottonwood Elementary, Ferron-city hall. At large sign up in Castle Dale at the Rec center. Major (birthdates May 1, 1993 -April 30, 1995) and minor (birthdates May 1, 1995 - April 30, 1997) sign up cost - $35.00; Rookie (birthdates May 1, 1997 -April 30, 1999) sign up cost - $25.00.
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The Tony Awarding-winning Utah Shakespearean Festive's 2006 Macbeth production is coming to Green River High School. Workshops for students will be held at 3 p.m. on March 24 with a performance open to the community at the school that evening at 6 p.m. All tickets are $5. Tickets may be purchased at the door or at the Community Center.
"Know before you go," ATV permit class will be held March 10 at the old courthouse building at 7 p.m. The class permits children 8 to 16 legal to drive on public lands. You may pre-register or for information contact the Emery County recreation office located at 75 South 400 East, Castle Dale, 381-2108 or Mark Williams at 381-2493.
There will be two baseball camps at the Huntington Complex on March 24-25 from 9 a.m.-1 p.m. The cost for the camp is $60 or $30 for one day. If you would like your child to have some one-on-one time with an instructor, the cost is $25 for a half hour. They can learn in and out fielding, pitching, catching or hitting. Boys and girls age 8 and up are encouraged to attend. To sign up call Shaun or Kris Bell 435-748-2906.
This program provides low cost trees and shrubs. Plants will be available the end of April. Supply is limited, so order early. Call Mary at 435-381-2300 est. 101 or e-mail firstname.lastname@example.com
Pictures of the Ferron area showing early farming activities prior to the irrigation systems going in, farming after the projects were completed and any old pictures of the Ferron Creek area. Call Mary at 435-381-2300 ext. 101 or Wayne Urie at ext. 103 at the NRCS Field Office in Castle Dale or Ron Francis at 801-524-4557 or firstname.lastname@example.com.
The Emery County Republicans annual Lincoln Day breakfast and fund raiser will be held March 18 at 9 a.m. at Critter Country Fixins in Castle Dale. Tickets can be purchased from precinct chairmen or vice chairmen, or at the door.
Emery County commodities cooking classes will be held on March 15, April 12, May 10 and June 14 at the Emery County Food Bank and Clothing Exchange (40 South Center, Castle Dale). They will be held from 10 a.m.- 12 noon.
A diabetes class will be held on March 21, April 4 and 18 and May 2 and 16. All classes will be from 10 a.m.-12 noon at Active Re-Entry, 10 South Fairgrounds Road, Price. For more information call 435-637-4950.
Emery High School is wanting to honor all of the academic all state students who have attended Emery High. If you were an academic all state student, or if you know someone who was, contact Kelly Alton at 381-2689.
A scholarship is being set up in the name of Juanita Varela Childs, who was killed in a tragic car accident. At the time of her death, she was a teacher at Carbon High School. To donate to this scholarship, mail donation to Carbon High School, c/o Melissa Swenson, counselor, 750 East 400 North, Price, UT 84501, or call Principal Robert Cox at 637-2463.
A local veterans employment representative visits the Castle Dale DWS Office the first Wednesday of each month. Appointments can also be arranged on other days by contacting Steve Wilkinson (LVER) at (435) 636-2343. The LVER is also available Monday through Friday at Department of Workforce Services, 475 West Price River Drive, for questions about VA benefits, assistance with VA applications, employment assistance and other veterans issues. If you have questions about your benefits or eligibility for benefits, contact Steve Wilkinson (LVER) at 636-2343.
Utah residents interested in the management and conservation of public lands have an opportunity to become directly involved through participation on the BLM Utah RAC. Council members rpovide advice and recommendations to the BLM concerning the use and management of 22 million acres of public land in Utah. Nominations are being accepted for five positions on the RAC. Those positions are: one commodity; three non-commodity; and one local area interest. All nominations and letters of interest should be sent to: BLM, Utah State Office, 440 West 200 South, Suite 500, Salt Lake City, UT 84101,attn: Sherry Foot. For more information contact Foot at 1-801-539-4195.
The Canyonlands Field Institute is offering an opportunity for people of all ages and abilities to escape into nature. The San Juan Upper Canyon family trip is scheduled for April 15-19. For more information contact Canyonlands Field Institute at 435-259-7750 or firstname.lastname@example.com, or visit www.canyonlandsfieldinst.org.
The Utah Safety Council is offering a four hour defensive driving course for individuals in the Price area. The course will take place on March 11 at the Castleview Hospital classroom located at 300 North Hospital Drive, Price, from 8 a.m.-noon. For additional information or to register, contact the Utah Safety Council at 1-800-933-5943 or visit www.utahsafetycouncil.org.
The Miss Emery Pageant will be held on July 15 at 7 p.m. The pageant committee is seeking those girls who would like to participate in the pageant.
You can be a junior in high school through 24 years of age. Contestants will participate in swimwear, talent, evening gown and onstage question. If you are interested in participating let the pageant committee know of your interest. First workshop in June. Call Sabrina Ungerman at 687-2642 or Patsy Stoddard at 381-2431.
Enjoy an evening viewing the video "Mosque" followed by a discussion and refreshments at Home Place in Orangeville March 7 at 7 p.m. For more information call Paula at 435-748-2230.
Vendors wanted for the Emery County Fair to be held Aug. 3-5. Large crowds expected, security will be provided 24 hours a day, so daily load out is not required. We will try to be very accommodating to your needs. For application go to www.emerycounty.com/fair/vendor. For more information, contact Margaret Keller at 381-2867 or Emery County Recreation at 381-2108.
Vendors wanted for the Emery County Fair to be held Aug. 3-5. Looking for exclusive food concession vendors. Each vendor may apply to have two exclusive entree food items for their booth. That vendor will be the sole supplier of those two food items. Drinks, candy, etc. will be available to all vendors. Emery County citizens will be given until March 24 to apply for exclusive rights on food concessions. For application go to www.emerycounty.com/fair/vendor. For more information, contact Margaret Keller at 381-2867 or Emery County Recreation at 381-2108.
Ferron Stake will hold a merit badge pow wow on March 16, 23, and 30 at 6 p.m. at the church on the hill. Contact your scout leader for applications. Entries must be in to Valarie Winn by March 7. For more information call Valarie at 384-2592.
Applications are now being evaluated for the Ten Star All Star summer basketball camp. The camp is by invitation only. Boys and girls ages 10-19 are eligible to apply. College basketball scholarships are possible for players selected to the All-American Team. For a free brochure call 704-373-0873.
Numerous scholarships are available to students, a sample example include: handicapped student scholarships, members of a church scholarships, scholarships for "C" students, veteran children's scholarships, scholarships for minorities and much more. For information send a self -addressed, stamped, business size, #10 envelope to: The U.S. Commission for Scholastic Assistance, P.O. Box 650067, Potomac Falls, VA 20165-0067.
A Navy Log is the permeanet public registry where sea service members and veterans can record their service information. To enroll your information or family members go to www.lonesailor.org
The Utah Science Center and the University of Utah are seeking entries for the 2006 Salt Lake Valley Science and Engineering Fair from 5-12 grade students and also adults to serve as judges and in other volunteer positions. It will be held on March 30-31 at the Tower at Rice-Eccles Stadium on the University of Utah. You can register at www.utahsciencecenter.org/sciencefair.
You may qualify for a refund of up to $4,400 through the Federal Earned Income Credit - even if you don't owe any taxes.
Plus, you can have your taxes done for you - for free with fast, free electronic filing. Find out more about the Earned Income Credit and Volunteer Income Tax Assistance. You may be eligible if: You have one or more children and your family earns up to $37, 263, or you have no children, are between the ages of 25 and 64, and earn up to $13,750. Have your taxes done for free, keep more of what you've earned, and use it to invest in your family's future. That's the Earned Income Credit, Volunteer Income Tax Assistance, and Utah Saves - all available in your community. To find out more, call 2-1-1 or visit utahsaves.org
Castle Country King Crawlers (CCKC) is your local 4x4 club for Carbon and Emery counties. We hold competitions and monthly trail rides. Our club meetings are held monthly every third Tuesday at 6:30 p.m. April-September located at the King 4X4 park in Carbon County Fair Grounds and October-March in the county GIS building. For more information call Scott Edwards 435-613-0204.
Narconon is a nonprofit public benefit organization that specializes in helping people with drug or alcohol addictions offers FREE professional assessments, advice and referrals to more than 11,000 treatment centers nationally. Drug addiction can be overcome and Narconon can help by calling (800) 556-8885 or visit www.drugrehab.net
An Arbor Day poster contest will be held for all Utah elementary school students. For registration materials contact the Utah Arbor Day Committee at the Division of Forestry, Fire and State Lands in Salt Lake City at 1-801-538-5555.
Your local soil conservation district and the Utah Department of Agriculture and Food are sponsoring a free of charge ground water testing program for people who have their own water supply systems. Water will be tested for bacteria, pesticides, nitrates, and inorganic materials. Owner information is confidential. Call Mark at 1-801-538-9905 or Rich at 1-801-538-7190 to make an appointment.
Applicants are needed for the 2005 Days of 47 Royalty Pageant. Information concerning qualifications, prizes, and applications may be picked up at Meier and Frank Department Store, or through a DUP members. For more information contact Marie at 637-7688.
Habitat For Humanity of Castle Country, an affiliate of Carbon and Emery counties, is building a wheelchair accessible house in Castle Dale. Send your donations (large or small) to help finish the roof and buy shingles to HHCC, P.O. Box 724, Price, UT 84501. You can: volunteer for workdays, attend board meetings, save aluminum cans, get on our mailing list, help sponsor a fund raiser, or get an application by calling Katherine Foster, President, 650-0074 or Sylvia Nelson, 435-687-9184 (leave a message) or you can pick up HFHI information at the Castle Dale RSVP/VOA office.
Stitches from the Heart needs volunteers to knit, crochet or quilt blankets, sweaters and hats for babies in need. These items are donated to hospitals all over the country. Patterns are available. Donated yarn desperately needed for seniors and childrens knitting programs. Contact Kathy Silverton at 1-866-472-6903 or e-mail at firstname.lastname@example.com.
Warming Families collects warm items such as blankets, hats, socks, slippers and other warm items to homeless shelters, domestic violence shelters and nursing homes throughout the country. Visit www.warmingfamilies.org for more information or to donate items.
Quilts of Valor, a program that provides quilts to each injured serviceman or woman, is being organized in Emery County. This program needs funds and interested people to help with making the quilts. For more information contact Hazel McMullin at 653-2246, Michelle Anderson at 687-9445, or Reva Fillmore at 687-2649.
The Muscular Dystrophy Association is looking for volunteers for their 2006 summer camp program. Volunteer counselors are needed to help young people with neuromuscular diseases. For more information call 800-572-1717 or www.mdausa.org/clinics/camp/index.cfm.
AA meetings will be held at the Castle Dale Senior Citizen building, 85 North 200 East. AA will be Friday nights from 6-7 p.m. For more information call 381-5119, ask for Jonathan. All addictions welcome.
Every second and fourth Monday from 11 a.m.-2 p.m. a free legal clinic will be held at the Price Court House. Call Utah Legal Services at 1-800-662-1563 to set up an appointment.
LDS 12-step meeting is every Thursday night at 7 p.m. at the Delta Seminary. Everyone is welcome.
The MS support group meets the first Tuesday of each month at 7:30 p.m. in the Conference Room at South Eastern Utah District. Health Dept., 28 South 100 East, Price. Family members and caregivers are welcome too. Wheelchair accessible.
A tip line has been introduced in Emery County. The Emery County drug task force is requesting help from the residents to report any suspicious drug activity. The number is 381-2888, and all callers will remain anonymous. It is very important for citizens to be actively involved in helping remove drugs users and pushers from Emery County. AWANA Club
AWANA club for children age 3 through sixth grade will be held at Desert Edge Christian Chapel on Wednesdays from 6-8 p.m. There will be fun, games, Bible lessons, treats and fun. The theme for this year is Red, White, and Blue, the Lord Loves You. For more information call 653-2361.
To donate to Operation Home Support, a program to send packages to local soldiers stationed overseas, contact Jan Hess, 384-2753. Donations can be mailed to American Legion Auxiliary #42, P.O. Box 209. Ferron, Ut. 84523.
Project ChildSafe, sponsored by the National Shooting Sports Foundation will be distributing free gun locks throughout Emery County. Members of the community may call their local law enforcement agency for information on how to obtain a free gun lock.
Drug addictions can leave an individual feeling helpless and out of control, especially if you are the family member or friend of an addict. Narconon Arrowhead can help. Narconon offers free counseling, assessments and referrals to rehabilitation centers nationwide by calling 1-800-468-6933 or logging onto www.stopaddiction.com. Don't wait until it's too late. Call Narconon now.
Grief support group for parents who have lost a child will be held Thursday evenings at 6:30 p.m. in the classroom at Castleview Hospital, 300 North Hospital Drive, Price. For more information contact 637-4800, ext. #4018 or 820-0287.
The Three Wishes Inc. Program makes available power (electric) wheelchairs to senior citizens (65 years and older) and the permanently disabled at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call toll free at 1-800-817-1871.
Each year hundreds of children in Emery and Carbon counties become wards of the juvenile court system due to child abuse, neglect or abandonment. The child welfare system can only devote so much time and attention to each individual case and, consequently, to each individual child. CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate) Volunteers are ordinary men and women who find it in their hearts and their schedules to help these abused and neglected children. Those interested in volunteering should contact Kerrie, the CASA coordinator at 435-381-5595.
All Medicare recipients should now be aware that if they suffer from conditions such as arthritis, cardiovascular disease, and respiratory disorders, and have difficulty walking or propelling a standard wheelchair, they maybe eligible to receive an electric wheelchair paid for by Medicare. For information on Medicare eligibility contact Gregory at 1-800-810-2877.
The in home Rx programs makes available breathing medications and nebulizers to patients who may have asthma, emphysema or COPD at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call 1-800-344-5764 or visit the website www.inhomerx.com for more information on the details of this program.
The Senior Mobility Program makes available to senior citizens and the permanently disabled, power electric wheelchairs at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call 1-800-451-0971 to see if you qualify.
Utah Valley Cancer Center, located at Utah Valley Regional Medical Center has a new toll-free phone number. Anyone can call 1-866-549-3800 to schedule an appointment, get information about local cancer support groups or to find out more about IHC cancer services and physicians. Hours are 8 a.m.-5 p.m.
The Senior Wheels USA Program makes available power (electric) wheelchairs to senior citizens (65 years and older) and the permanently disabled at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call toll free at 1-800-246-6010.
The Wheelchair Foundation, Intermountain Healthcare, and the George S. and Dolores Dore Eccles Foundation are partnering to distribute free wheelchairs to disabled Utahns. Persons interested in getting a free wheelchair can call 1-877-387-3839, or apply at www.wheelchairfoundation.org/utah
Donations are needed from Emery County residents to the Emery Chapter of the Salvation Army which provides emergency assistance for the people of Emery County as well as people traveling through the area. Mail donations to the Emery County Sheriff's Office, Box 281, Green River, Utah 84525 or Emery County Sheriff's Office, Box 817, Castle Dale, Utah 84513. For information, contact Cheryl Keener at 435-564-3432.
Attention, union meeting for local 6363 will be held the third Wednesday of every month at the District 22 office in Price. The meeting will begin at 10 a.m.
Girl Scouts need leaders in Emery County. Call Nina Green at 800-678-7809 to volunteer.


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Jason Strudwick
April 18 2012 08:17AM
So far the first round of the playoffs have been even better than I expected. There has been everything from high to low scoring games, great to bad goaltending and some of the most physical hockey seen in many years.
The physical hockey has been a surprise considering some of the non-traditional rivalries that it has sprung from. Pittsburgh and Philly was a no brainer; we all knew it would get rough. The same can't be said for the Ottawa Senators/New York Rangers matchup, or St. Louis vs. San Jose.
Other than the Florida/New Jersey series, all of the first-round matchups have been very physical. Every check is being finished with extra love. Big players are playing big and the smaller players must have an attitude.
If this year's Edmonton Oilers were magically thrown into a series versus Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, St. Louis, etc, would they be able to match and stand up to the intensity?
I don't think so.
It is clear the talent being assembled in the Oiler top six will rival most teams in the future. Another first overall pick, assuming they keep it, will only add firepower to that group. Unfortunately great talent doesn't guarantee playoff success.
Teams need somebody to do the heavy lifting. Bangers and crashers with skill are required in the playoffs. I would take a David Backes from St. Louis or Dustin Brown from L.A before either Joe Thornton from San Jose or Pittsburgh's Evgeni Malkin. The first two are having a huge impact on their teams' success whereas the others have been largely invisible so far in the playoffs.
With a few tweaks and some luck, next year's Oilers should challenge for and possibly clinch a playoff spot. Getting into the playoffs and having playoff success are two different things however. Without some heavy lifters in the top six or at least in the top nine forward group, playoff success could prove difficult if this year's physical trend continues into next year.
Finding players like Dustin Brown will not be easy. That is the challenge for the Oiler management going forward.
Previously by Jason Strudwick
The Journal pop up at the bottom is driving me insane...anyone else?
I don't mind the side ads but the bottom pop up has to go.
I don't want anything to do with a guy who goes out and tries to intentionally end other player's careers. There is a line between playing on the edge and being tough and being dirty loser who tries to injure players over and over again. I hope he gets thrown out of the league for that hit last night. How many times is a guy allowed to blantantly injure his colleagues with no respect before the league takes these head shots seriously? I would have a hard time cheering for a guy who has that much disrespect for other players.
April 18 2012, 08:38AM
The Journal pop up at the bottom is driving me insane...anyone else?
I don't mind the side ads but the bottom pop up has to go.
When "the man" is paying the bills you have to do what he says. I hate them as much as the next (pop ups that is) but if it allows Wanye and Co. to spread the OilersNation gospel so be it. And besides... he sold his soul for this so he'll be spending all eternity in a lake of fire; he needs to make some money while he still can.
Firefox + Ad Block Plus = The way web surfing should be.
April 18 2012, 09:26AM
It's worth noting that Dustin Brown doesn't play like this every playoffs; this is the first time he's ever scored more than one goal in a playoff series.
I *really* like Backes, but Malkin brings so much additional offense that I would be unable to make that trade. I mean, Malkin played fewer games this season and *literally* finished with more than twice as many points as Backes.
FISTicuffs and ruffians are an itergral aspect of this man's game. You need to have a pair to play.
You'd take Backes and Brown - two guys who have never played past the first round - over Malkin, a former Conn Smythe winner? Granted Malkin having a poor showing this year but let's not over evaluate 3 games for each of those players.
April 18 2012, 10:26AM
Bring back Raffi Torres!
A 5'11" 200lb predator on skates.
i think big joe and marleau are perfect examples that tear apart the regular season, only to disappear in the post season. if their success transferred seamlessly to the playoffs, san jose would have had a cup by now.
i think brown has always been one of the more underrated power forwards in the league, and a leader in the dressing room. i'm sure LA is thankful they didn't trade him.
while not a solution, i'd be interested to see a guy like hall integrate a more physical tone to his game. he's growing to be a big man. throw some of that weight around.
If the refs keep calling the game the way they have in last half of season and playoffs between injuries and suspensions the only players left to play will be bottom six.
Struds, let me just say we miss your physicality...but you're right...Hartikainen might have the grit you speak of to last a playoff series, I'd even go so far as to say Gagner is a real tough little gritty bugger when he wants to be, but the current group outside of them need to show a little more of it.
I've always thought Jones could add a little more of that element to his game, and Eager has the capabilities but shows it on rare occasions. Hordichuk does it every shift, but he only gets a couple shifts a game and likely won't be back...
Adding Yak will be great, but I think looking for the grit element in any 18 year old is the wrong thing to do. The bang and crash 18 year olds add are not as effective as guys in their mid 20's.
Maybe it's time to do an article about potential UFA's to add to the bottom 6 that will the bang and crash element...
Big physical teams are having success in the playoffs. Finding 2 way players is a challenge, but this is not Edmonton's philosophy. Does not matter who coaches Edm. Until the climate changes in upper management Edmonton will be a young fast team with great potential. I've been saying this for 5 years.
Anyone else ever notice that when Crosby gets into scrums and fights that the refs never grab him and tie him up but always the guys he fighting or jawing with. Especailly when punches are going Crosby can keep swinging at the guy while the ref ties up his arms. Its like a gang beating.
It's worth noting that Dustin Brown doesn't play like this every playoffs; this is the first time he's ever scored more than one goal in a playoff series.
I *really* like Backes, but Malkin brings so much additional offense that I would be unable to make that trade. I mean, Malkin played fewer games this season and *literally* finished with more than twice as many points as Backes.
I agree JW, Malkin was the reason the Pens won the Stanley cup that year in my opinion. And it wasn't just his offense but the two way play, stealing pucks and blocking shots. I just feel that since the Cup win that style disappears when Crosby in on the team. He needs to be the #1 for a team and a guy that leads the way. With Malkin and RNH the Oil wouldn't have a #1 line but 2 #1A/B lines.
I hope the Oilers take long looks at Martin Frk, Tom Wilson, and Henrik Samuelsson. All are likely to go in the 2nd round. Anyone know where to find what picks the Oil have this upcoming draft?
@ Dave don't let the ad spam destroy your browsing experience. This site is perfectly clean on my browser. Get Adblocker and NoScript for your browser. All that junk will disappear.
BTW, I used to work for Postmedia, "the man" and they definitely know that it's a problem with all the popups and ads but the money in the short term is more important to them.
April 18 2012, 10:04AM
And to think for 24 hrs at the trade deadline the Oilers could've possibly had Dustin Brown. Hemsky,Omark/2012 second rounder may have been enough if you took back a salary dump as well as Brown. You snooze you lose, and we sure know all about losing.
Seeing this 2 Ambulance per arena style of hockey, the fab 4 Oilers are probably glad the playoffs are two yrs away.
That is why Gagner is not a number 2 center on any team that will go far in the playoffs.
He will be destroyed.
Wasn't D.Brown available at the trade deadline.
Would of, should of ,could of ,yet again Mr. Dithers.
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I do thatfor most sites but whitelist Oilersnation so wayne gets the revenue. However I agree that pop up from the bottom is quite annoying :P
April 18 2012, 10:42AM
Did Malkin not win a Con Smyth trophy when the Pens won the cup? Have a tough series but come on, Malkin? Thornton I get not overly tough and proven to not take his game to the next level in the playoffs. Can I have both?
Brown Nuge Ebs Hall Malkin Yak
@ Quicksilver Ballet
Torres.. what team could not use or afford to carry for a regular season a Series Changer. You absolutely need to know where and when he is on the ice. QB, as per your poll blog, I guess you just got lucky.
Backes would definitely look great between Hall and Nail, but Malkin's one of the truly elite players in the game, with a great playoff resume up until this year. I don't think I'd ever pass on a player like that.
April 18 2012, 11:16AM
@ Clarko:
I agree with this 100%. Torres is an idiot, and I'd rather have him disgrace some other team.
April 18 2012, 11:18AM
It's not necessarily the top two lines that need toughness. It's everyone else on the team.
To many times in the regular season players just didnt bring "IT" it being toughness and grit.
That's why players like Horcoff, Jones, Bellanger, Lander, Paajarvi, Barker, Potter, don't bring anything else to the table. I singled those out at being the most obvouse but even players like Eager, Smyth, Whitney, Petry took many, many games off.
That's potentialy 9 players in the line up who won't bring anything extra to the table! The Oilers are soft like daisy's and will never get to the playoffs with the likes just mentioned let alone do anything if they got there.
Players like Tootoo-Clutterbuck-Clowe-Moen-Doan-Nichol those are tough players to play against, might not have the best skill but they bring " IT "
That is why I never understood why Edmonton never went after Hanzal or a player like Brandon Sutter. I understand now , their philosophy has never been to get bigger.
Bring back Raffi Torres!
A 5'11" 200lb predator on skates.
Just goes to show you don't need to be 6'4" and 220+ to be a beast on the ice. What is Hall right now 6'1" and 200lbs?
April 18 2012, 11:34AM
I have always really liked both Brown and Backes. Backes is a big string center will both skill and leadership. How would he look between Hall and Nails next year? I would take him over Malkin in a heartbeat!
Except Malkin does way, way more to help you win a game than Brown and Backes combined. There are a lot of guys in the league that can score a little, and hit a lot. There are very, very few that can score an awful lot, and Malkin is one of them. And last time I checked, they count goals on the scoreboard, not hits. Does physicality affect the score indirectly? Perhaps, but it's not something you can prove directly. Has Malkin won games single-handedly multiple times over the years through prodigious offensive output? Absolutely.
Honestly, I think you're simply empathizing moreso with a player type that is closer to the role you played in the NHL, rather than objectively evaluating what factors most into winning. Malkin will help you win way, way more than Brown or Backes. Not that they're not good players, they are--Malkin is simply on another level.
Hard to have success in the NHL without a dominant two way center and a power forward on the 1st or 2nd line.
Oilers philosophy again is wrong, and it won't matter who is the coach.
Hall Eberle RNH Gagner Yakupov
Where is the power Forward? Where is the dominant 2way center?
I would trade Gagner and Omark for Brandon Sutter in a second. Hanzal is untouchable now.
I think players like Gagner are good in the regular season, he will score points and his stats will be respectable. But once the playoffs start he will be dominated by bigger stronger centers in the top 2 lines.
In my mind Gagner should be traded this year.
That Hanzal is so hot right now....
I think if you're looking for a power forward - you're looking towards St. Louis... Stewart hasn't really found his way there and has been a healthy scratch and on the 4th line at times... Assuming he could get his head screwed on straight - he'd be a pretty good fit in our top 6...
But the underlying problem is that team's aren't going to just 'give' you that type of player... You're also really overvaluing Sutter too - he hasn't got over 40 points in his first three years and plays as a defensive center in Carolina... He'd be a pretty good 3rd line center here...
My point?? I agree with you that we need more size and grit in our top nine, but we can't be hasty on making a bad trade... Our top six might be a bit small going into this year - but our focus should be improving our 3rd line - so they can play 18 minutes a night and chip in offensively now and again... A 3rd line of Horcoff-Jones-Smytty doesn't exactly instill fear in the opposition... If (and a big if) we can get Eager healthy (and with his head screwed on straight) - he could be ideal in our top 9... Hartikinan might not drop the gloves, but loves to crash and bang too... I'm not sure you're going to fix this with nothing more than patience and a bit of luck in OKC and the draft...
April 18 2012, 12:17PM
The Flyers should have an Ambulance circling the arena in the hours leading up the game.
There's a little Reggie Dunlop in all of us.
The Flyers should have an Ambulance circling the arena in the hours leading up the game.
There's a little Reggie Dunlop in all of us.
I'm thinking Pittsburgh is putting the foil on tonight.
The only person really doing any hitting for LA is Brown, a bit by Richards. I doubt Williams has 1 hit and Carter turns when he has a chance to finish.
April 18 2012, 12:33PM
That would be the more entertaining route, but i think we'll see the Pens turn the other cheek tonight. Shy away from the after whistle stuffs. Pittsburgh's shown they can't thug it up with the Flyers. Tonight they'll focus on beating them on the scoreboard. Figure this one's going 6.
@ Quicksilver ballet
I'm thinking the score will be indicative of what happens.If the Flyers get a up a few look out.
It will be game on.
Line brawls.Old time hockey.Eddie Shore.
The Flyers should have an Ambulance circling the arena in the hours leading up the game.
There's a little Reggie Dunlop in all of us.
Hell yes and make sure the lights and sirens are going.
Struds...what are your thoughts on Chris Stewart in St. Louis? He seems like he could fit the bill for what we are looking for. He seems to be on the outs a bit in St. Louis and I believe he is an RFA at the end of the year. Would he be worth going after? I have heard on Gregor's show that he might be a bit of a partier. Thoughts?
April 18 2012, 02:11PM
Trade Gags? At least give him a chance to play in the playoffs. Look at Briere? Giroux? Kane? Mcdonald?
I mean I know the Brown's/Doan's/Morrow's/Backes' are all important, you need someone to fight in the trenches, and play a gritty game.
@ D-man
Gagner and Omark for Brandon Sutter.
I don't think Carolina would do the trade, but I think this would be a steal.
April 18 2012, 03:38PM
It is clear that Malkin is a better point producer than either Brown or Backes. I won't argue that. There are things these two players do on the ice that cannot be shown on a stat page. How do you measure leadership and gamesmanship?
Would the Oilers top two lines get more points with a Malkin at center? no doubt. But when a game gets dirty and goes into the trenches I will take the other two.
I cannot stress how important these types of players are to winning. Look at any Stanley cup winner and you will find them. It is simply a fact.
I'm pretty sure that Kent Wilson just did an article yesterday on FN saying that the opinion expressed above is total bunk. At least he does a better job of saying why it is bunk than I can.
I realize that you played in the NHL and Kent didn't, but that doesn't mean you aren't wrong.
You are saying that ALL SC winners have a Backes/Brown type. That may be the case, but I doubt very much that you have looked every SC winning roster to be able to determine if that is actually fact. If I'm wrong and you have done this exhaustive research, then I wonder why you don't say how many SC winning rosters have a Malkin type player.
In other words, if you're going to make up facts to support your argument you should be more thorough.
April 18 2012, 03:40PM
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April 18 2012, 05:16PM
It will be interesting to see how Paajarvi, Pitlick and Lander do in the AHL playoffs. I hope that Paajarvi can do well with the physicality. It will be good experience for them.
April 18 2012, 10:49PM
Great article. Of course, I love it because I agree with every point.
When Hartnell left Nashville for Florida, I was crushed that Edmonton wasn't trying to swing a deal.
I was never really a fan of Dustin Brown until this series. I always thought of him as more like a Burrows/Kesler hybrid. He has aspects of their game - the cheap little dirty tricks - but he separates himself from them in attitude. Real bulldog there.
As much as we deride his actions now, that check that Torres delivered on Michalek back in '06 turned around the series, derailed San Jose's Cup ambitions and in fact derailed the very promising career of Michalek himself. He hasn't been the same since, much like Kariya or Lindros after their encounters with Scott. We cheered then, or at least abstained from criticism - which is the same as silent consent. Even now many Oilers fans are conspicuously silent on Torres.
And short of Toews (imagine THAT controversy - budding superstar, face of the franchise, already concussed once), who could Torres knock out of the series who's more important to Chicago than Hossa? How can we think that Torres isn't doing exactly what his job is - or at least he thinks his job is?
You don't necessarily need a Raffi Torres. But you need players who can handle a Raffi Torres - some to intimidate him, all to be aware of him on the ice, and scorers who aren't intimidated.
April 19 2012, 09:22AM
Agreed, Jason.
We NEED to draft Tom Wilson in this next draft year. If any of you are not familiar with him yet, he's a big, bruising and punishing RW, and here's a story from this year's playoffs:
We'll see what we get this draft, but personally I hope we draft someone with his upside and physical presence. He had a pretty average regular season and then doubled his production to lead his team (tie) in goals in the playoffs, in +/-, and kept his penalty minutes up (actually with a slight increase).
I want a guy who brings it like this in the playoffs, and is a physical presence who can play with your elite players!
@ Fred... I think Carolina would jump at the chance to take a Gagner who is a proven 40 to 45 point guy and Omark who could add a bit more offense to their top nine.. Sutter is a good gritty number 3 centerman... He hasn't had one season over 40 points, while Gagner has already had 4...
Sutter is not the answer to adding size to our top six...
I guess I see something in Sutter you don't. In my opinion we will have guys that can score points RNH Hall Eberle Yakupov. What we don't have is a gritty 2nd line center. Brandon is young and will only get bigger and stronger.
Since this trade is not going to happen we will see if Brandon is a 2nd line center.


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"Iron Mike" tells his story in two-hour rollercoaster show.
INDIANAPOLIS -- Mike Tyson didn't seek forgiveness when launching the national tour of his one-man stage show Wednesday night at the Murat Theatre, but he was in the market for open minds.
The former heavyweight boxing champ devoted a two-hour monologue to telling his side of a roller-coaster life story billed as "Mike Tyson: Undisputed Truth."
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And lawsuits? Tyson directed vague contempt toward Don King in the boxer's loss of $400 million, but most courtroom talk centered on his criminal rape trial in Indianapolis.
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Afternoon Headshots March 19th
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March 19 2013 03:17PM
Here's a Zack Kassian tryptch because why not?
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Today at Canucks Army we recapped Monday night's loss to the Wild, defended the notion of "staying the course" and previewed Tuesday night's tilt between the Blues and the Canucks in Vancouver.
If you're feeling Canuck-y (punk), read past the jump for more Canucks related links and news.
Tony Gallagher rips the goaltending, the power-play and the coaching, of course, in his latest column excoriating the performance of the Canucks over the past fourteen months. "Games are flying by so quickly and the points slipping through their fingers so surely," writes Gallagher, "that making the post-season now is increasingly beginning to look like a long shot." [The Province]
According to the website Sportsclubstats.com the Canucks have a 76% chance of making the postseason (Monday night's regulation loss to Minnesota dropped their odds down from 83%).
David Booth's ankle injury - sustained during a freaky play in the first period of Saturday's game against the Red Wings - will keep him out of the lineup indefinitely. With Booth's underwhelming production in twelve games this season, there's speculation that he might have played his last game in a Canucks uniform. While Booth is certainly a more likely buyout candidate now than he appeared to be back in January, I still don't think such a maneuver would make much sense. Harrison Mooney doesn't either. [Pass it to Bulis]
Good stuff from Rob the Hockey guy on Mike Gillis' merely average draft record. [Rob the Hockey Guy]
Mitch's plus/minus of the week is always a good read. Needless to say this week gave him lots of material for the "minus" side of the ledger. [Legion of Blog]
The AHL has suspended Adam "son of Libor" Polasek for three games for his role in the epic between the benches brawl between the Chicago Wolves and the Rockford Ice Hogs this past weekend.
Andrew Ebbett claims that the Canucks' face-off struggles are rooted in psychology. I think they're rooted in a lack of NHL qaulity natural centreman down the middle of the lineup who are also six feet tall. But that's just me (and anyway, face-offs are way overvalued). [The White Towel]
Here's an odd comment from Alain Vigneault, who according to Jeff Paterson was asked about how this particular group has persevered through adversity in the past:
#Canucks AV: 'this chemistry is different from others for so many reasons I don't want to get into right now. But it's a different group'— Jeff Paterson (@patersonjeff) March 19, 2013
Man. Already seen the Canucks questioned for their toughness and lack of identity - whatever those things mean. If the losing continues are you prepared for the "chemistry issues" narrative?
Nicklas Jensen wasn't ever seriously considered as a recall replacement for David Booth, which isn't much of a surprise seeing as he's been in North America for only about ten days or so. Scott Arniel talks to Cam Tucker about his skillset and Jordan Schroeder's. [Metro News]
That's it for today. Sort of a light day for Canucks news really, lots of doom and gloom and not much actually being said. If you thought the prevailing tone in Canuckistan was grim today though, just remember that it could've been worse if Kevin Bieksa hadn't recovered himself on this play, narrowly preventing an all-time blooper:
March 19 2013, 03:29PM
I don't fully grasp what goes into winning and losing hockey games, so I'm going to chalk up the unknowns to something that can't be quantified, and say you're copping out when you challenge me on something I'm watching with my own damn eyes.
This quote is AV in another desperate attempt to save his own skin?! What a true leader would say is I believe in this team/ We have great leadership/The chemistry is strong. To play this card now IS a clear attempt to win pity at events that have happened. The guy is all about making EXCUSES for himself & his staff & not taking ownership. (like when he checked out without meeting fans/media last yr?!)
Even if you feel the chemistry is off you don't go public with it- it sends the wrong message to the team & fans. And, as importantly, IS that it is part of his job description to integrate new players & preserve the chemistry.Chemistry is effected by decisions coaches make how who plays and how much all things in HIS control. To deny this is ignorant. Therefore he has admitted that he has failed in this area as well!
Tick Tick Tick..it's only a matter of time when Av is out the door as another overrated coach who rode the coattails of a hot goalie & strong roster.
After all/ to be considered GREAT one has to be able to do what most others cannot. AV's inability to correct the ship when it is sinking (average goal tending/few injuries/ bad chemistry) is strong evidence many media & fans were incorrect in their high praise.
It can be rough going against collective ignorance BUT to be proven right....again LOL +615 Nux to miss playoffs at start of year #EasyMoney
March 19 2013, 05:40PM
I don't fully grasp what goes into dan needing to come here and post stuff that makes him look like an angry and emotional menopausal HOUSEWIFE ?!?!?!
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That's the best you can do....?! #weak Thought Comics were supposed to be at least 'kinda' funny? ironic?
March 19 2013, 07:32PM
Guesses egarding Booth's high ankle sprain
It is interesting that in a study of NHL players on the St. Louis Blues (1994-2001) and Dallas Stars (1991-2001) {Am J Sports Med. 2004 Dec;32(8):1941-5}, a total of 19 ankle sprains causing lost playing time occurred. I am not sure how many players were on rosters during that time, but in 17 years there were only 19 ankle sprains that caused lost playing time. Such is the Canuck luck this year. Of those 19 ankle sprains,14 were high ankle strains, and the mean time to return to play was 45 days (range 6 to 137 days).
If Booth's injury were "unstable," he would almost certainly have surgery and be gone for 6 months. If the MRI showed the sprain to be "stable," then it is anyone's guess as to how long he will take to heal as MRI's are not prognostic in terms of healing time. He will likely be non weight bearing for 4 to 6 weeks and have a rehab program after that to get strength and mobility back.
The last game of the season is April 27th which is 6 weeks away. The chances of him being able to play in the first round of the play offs are likely on the low side.


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"Perception is reality." When it comes to officiating team sports, that's often the absolute truth. It doesn't matter what sport you're officiating, crew cohesion is a must if your crew is to be perceived positively. Another absolute truth is that when everyone isn't on the same page, it doesn't take players, coaches and fans long to recognize that "tonight's officials are struggling."
The best officiating crews take the field or floor as one official. They know that the only philosophy that matters is the crew's philosophy. They've invested time together away from the sport. They know each other, respect each other's judgment and approach the game with confidence. Because there is no room for "the individual," they've worked hard to create a team approach.
No crew establishes a quality reputation quickly. It takes time. Only after working many games together, suffering through mistakes and sharing the highs and lows of several seasons, can a crew establish itself as one that can be counted upon to work the big games consistently.
We've all seen the football crews that have one official who throws many more flags than his partners. His definition of fouls is different from the other officials'. Then there's the basketball ref who calls a close game while her partners "let them play." The perception those officials are sending is that not only are they not on the same page, they haven't even entered the library together. It's a recipe for disaster.
If you're not in that situation and never have been, don't get cocky because it's only a replacement official away! As you work toward cohesion, thorough pregame sessions are essential. But even with plenty of game preparation and years of experience, every crew and official eventually runs into a situation in which there is disagreement. It's how the team handles it that makes the difference. If you disagree with a call a crewmember makes during the game, discuss it at halftime or after the game. Let each member of the crew weigh in.
Confrontation leads to expression and allows officials to develop a closer understanding of each other's priorities – get a better idea of what makes each other tick. Knowing how and why your fellow officials may react to situations allows you to relate to each other instinctively. Any psychiatrist will tell you that understanding others is key to effective communication! Even if you don't build a campfire and sing Kumbaya together, those situations can serve as defining moments in the development of your crew's ability to relate to one another more effectively.
It's important to know that the other officials on the field or court are with you in every sense of the word. It's not enough to just wear the same clothes, you've got to take the time and make sure everything fits! Your performance and your crew's reputation will benefit from the extra effort.
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Canada vs Slovakia World League qualifier: pre-series comments
OTTAWA – Head coaches Glenn Hoag for Team Canada and Emanuele Zanini for Slovakia are expecting tough matches tonight and Saturday as the two countries square in round of the 2012 World League qualifying.
Both matches start at 7:30 p.m. at Scotiabank Place.
''The competition is important for both teams,'' said Hoag. ''Playing in the World League shows that you have taken another major step. The key for us is not losing our focus because we haven't played much this year while the Slovaks have just won their Continental qualifier. This is the beginning of a long process.''
Canada is ranked 22nd in the world and Slovakia 33rd.
''We know that Canada is an excellent team, but we are ready to fight,'' said Zanini. '' We are not here with the full team as we had some injuries but it happens in this sport. We are looking forward to this match. We know this will be difficult as Canada is an experienced team. ''


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Sometimes innovation doesn't look like a new social media channel, iPhone, app, or nifty widget. In fact, Joel Peterson believes that innovation is hiding in plain sight. Peterson tells Fast Company, "It's any time you are doing something in a better way." The way he sees it, innovation can be simply, "tweaks around the edges [of existing products and services], and a lot of people don't get credit."
Peterson sees it happen all the time. Most people don't know he's chairman of JetBlue Airways—and the discount airline's first investor—or that he founded Peterson Partners, a Salt Lake City-based private equity group with some half a billion dollars under management, as well as Peterson Ventures which funds startups.
Peterson's been flying (pardon the pun) under the innovation radar for over 35 years even though he's been the financial brawn behind a slew of such forward-thinking ventures as Bonobos, Asurion, and Mangia.
Peterson concedes that his investments over the years appear somewhat schizophrenic. But really they all have something in common, he says. "Every experience I've had in business is about adding value. How do you provide something to customers that's worth more to them than it is costing them? It's the internal or external focus of every new company I've ever been involved in."
That said, Peterson admits the other tie that binds his investments is an intuitive sense. "With great talent, you tend to fall in love without the analysis being as profound as it should be. That's great thing about having partners," he says.
But partners aren't always right, either. And Peterson has been talked out of a few investments that would have yielded a fortune—one such missed opportunity would have earned him 22 times the amount he invested, he recalls. "You can't always prevail," says Peterson ruefully, "but it probably kept me from just as many dumb deals. You empower your partners so you win and lose together."
On a more serious note, Peterson says there is no such thing as a dumb deal, rather, they become dumb because of market shifts. Likewise, he says, "An idea, product, or service is not a business. You can build around it that is rarely enough."
Instead, he underscores, it's all about the entrepreneur. "That's why I've gone so far afield [in my investments] to find world class entrepreneurs with high energy, intelligence, and flexibility. These entrepreneurs figure things out over time, they take counsel, they listen, and they are humble. I am willing to follow them into various kinds of industries."
And they are more than willing to learn from him. Andy Dunn, founder and CEO of men's online clothing retailer Bonobos, says Peterson "is the leader at building and scaling a terrific customer experience." Dunn asserts that Peterson's hand in building the world's favorite airline has translated well to Bonobos' e-commerce business "that wants to build the world's most personal retail customer experience."
Founded in 2009, Bonobos touts itself as the Internet's fastest-growing men's clothing retailer, and it recently secured $18.5 million in a round of Series C financing to further drive the growth.
Dunn continues to call on Peterson for leadership advice as the company grows. "From Joel I've learned to discover an authentic style built around specific positive feedback, to transition leaders from the company with dignity and celebration, and to build alignment across the leadership team to keep the company at prime, as Joel calls it, for as long as the gods of capitalism will have us."
From where he sits, Peterson says funding often steals the spotlight from the real challenge innovators face. "I have always felt great ideas and great business plans attract money. The major difficulty is getting paying customers who are delighted then building management to consistently deliver that."
It's a challenge that plenty of large corporations face daily as well, he says. "I'm not dismissive of big companies. They have incredibly capable professionals who often get in a bind solving day-to-day issues which are legion, so it's hard to set up pilot programs outside of the main business," says Peterson. But those pilot programs often provide the innovative edge that can keep a large organization from getting stuck in a rut. Peterson suggests letting divisions operate like startups to disrupt their own business and see if that spurs growth.
But above all he advises taking a page from his own playbook and "invest in great human beings."
[Image: Flickr user MHJohnston]