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Skip to comments.What Should America Do About Gun Violence?(Senate Hearing)
Posted on 01/29/2013 5:58:46 PM PST by FR_addict
Senate Judiciary Committee Full Committee
DATE: January 30, 2013 TIME: 10:00 AM ROOM: Hart 216
OFFICIAL HEARING NOTICE / WITNESS LIST: January 23, 2013 NOTICE OF COMMITTEE HEARING
The Senate Committee on the Judiciary has scheduled a hearing entitled What Should America Do About Gun Violence? for Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 10:00 a.m., in Room 216 of the Hart Senate Office Building.
By order of the Chairman.
UPDATED Witness List
Hearing before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary
What Should America Do About Gun Violence?
Wednesday, January 30, 2013 Hart Senate Office Building, Room 216 10:00 a.m.
Captain Mark Kelly, USN (Ret.) Americans for Responsible Solutions Tucson, AZ
Professor David Kopel Adjunct Professor of Advanced Constitutional Law Denver University, Strum College of Law Denver, CO
James Johnson Chief of Police Baltimore County Police Department Chair, National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence Towson, MD
Gayle Trotter Attorney and Senior Fellow Independent Womens Forum Washington, DC
Wayne LaPierre Executive Vice President and Chief Executive Officer National Rifle Association Fairfax, VA
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The Dems will have this packed with anti-gun supporters. If anyone can make this hearing tomorrow, it would really be great.
The schedule for CSpan isn't posted yet for tomorrow.
NRA VP LaPierre to appear at Senate Judiciary hearing next week
WASHINGTON U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) today wrote Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy requesting the Judiciary Committee work with local and federal law enforcement to ensure that at future hearings Senators can request, and law enforcement will provide, various firearms for education, display, and discussion purposes.
In anticipation of tomorrows hearing on gun control, we instructed our staff to work to ensure various unloaded firearms, under law enforcement supervision, could be brought into the hearing, wrote Graham and Cruz, members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Our offices worked with various officials in local and federal law enforcement, as well as the Senate Sergeant at Arms, but it appears that the requirements to secure the weapons at the hearing are so impractical as to be unworkable.
Our goal is simple — to educate fellow Senators and members of the public how and why firearms are used by millions of law-abiding Americans for self-defense, hunting, and sporting purposes, said Graham and Cruz. We also want to shatter the mistaken belief that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are a danger to society. It is every bit as important we make that distinction as it is to note that one gun in the hand of mentally-deranged individual is one too many.
Do you know anyone from the DC chapter that could go?
Do you know anyone from the DC chapter that could go?
The wrong question is being asked. We don't have a "gun violence" problem.
Once again, the left is framing the terms of the debate to their advantage, and the real point is not being addressed.
Stop electing liberals.
Leahy is in charge
Patrick Leahy
This guy and his organ are leftists.
I checked on some more...
"Captain Mark Kelly, USN (Ret.) Americans for Responsible Solutions Tucson, AZ"
"Gayle Trotter Attorney and Senior Fellow Independent Womens Forum Washington, DC"
Kelly is allied with LaPierre/NRA, and so it appears Gayle Trotter who is also pro 2nd Amendment.
And the last guy.
"Professor David Kopel Adjunct Professor of Advanced Constitutional Law Denver University, Strum College of Law Denver, CO"
Kopel is a Dem, but a self described libertarian who is pro 2nd Amendment:
From Wiki:
"Kopel opposes gun control and is a benefactor member of the National Rifle Association. His articles on gun control and gun violence have been cited in the Opposing Viewpoints Series.[4] In 2003, Kopel wrote in National Review "Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have been able to murder 21 million people.[5]" He recently contributed an article to the 59th Volume of the Syracuse Law Review entitled "The Natural Right of Self-Defense: Heller's Lesson for the World."[6] He is a critic of Michael Moore and provided a list of what he characterized as Moore's "deceits".[7][8] He appeared in FahrenHYPE 9/11, a film that disputes the allegations in Fahrenheit"
The wrong question is being asked. We dont have a gun violence problem.
You are right Sir. The only Gun Violence problem is the larger problem in America. No one wants to say it but the Violence problem is isolated to the inner city Gubmint projects and the life long welfare recipients who dwell there. If the numbers from black on black, drug, and gang related murders were tossed out there wouldn't be enough murders to make a good 30 minute news report. If we had harsher mandatory penalties including the death penalty for murders, rapes, and robberies with a stolen gun the so called problem would be solved. I live near Louisville Ky and every night the local news shows start off with the latest breaking news murder story as soon as they give the address I switch channels 98% are in the West End (aka) the hood.
Kelly is Gabby Gifford's husband.
He ain't on our side.
Since most shooting in urban environments are done by blacks against blacks, ban blacks from owning guns.
LMAO That ought to draw some fire.
Oops. Scanned the info too fast.
Since the entire point of having the populace armed was as a safeguard against Federal over-reach, the first thing you do is not tolerate the Senate holding a hearing about firearms.
It's none of their business.
Capture and jail for significant time criminals who commit violent crimes with ANY weapon, not resulting in loss of life of permanent incapacity.
Death or life imprisonment at minimum subsistence levels or hard labor for any violent crime resulting in loss of each single life, with any weapon.
A murder victim really is in no position to care whether her death was caused by a rock, a machete, feet inside a boot or an "assault" rifle. She is equally and permanently dead.
Enforce the borders and arrest more criminals?
So true. I live in a quiet, remote rural area, where most folks are armed, and guess what? There is no gun violence here. Zip, nada, none.
Guns are not the problem. All these psycho mass killers are public school educated liberals. Liberalism should be declared a mental illness and liberals should not be allowed to vote or own firearms.
I think that would solve the problem.
We pay a price for defying God's plan for mankind. Today's 'father figures' are female; In the schools, daycare and at home. Unless that changes, the downward spiral continues..
The dummies simply do not listen. This is the testimony that needs to be replayed:
January 28, 2013
"Flashback: Amazing 'Gun Rights' Testimony to Congress"
"Attn Piers Morgan: Have THIS 'Gun Girl' On Your Show"
Dr Susan Gratia-Hupp, survivor of the 1991 Kileen, TX Luby's shooting massacre, testifies against the 1991 assault weapons ban.
David Kopel would be the only one worth listening to. Wayne LaPierre often does a poor job explaining the 2A viewpoint.
What Should America Do About Gun Violence?End abortion!
First, stop incoherently separating it from other violence by using "gun" as an adjective: the victim bludgeoned to death with a length of pipe, the man stabbed through a major artery, or the woman beaten to death by an abusive "boyfriend's" fists are just as dead as the latest shooting fatality in Chicago.
Second, recognize that violence happens a lot less in places where a reasonable number of law abiding citizens are armed with firearms than in places where they are not.
1. Nearly all gun violence is criminal on criminal. So nobody cares. Reinstitute the death penalty with swift trials and appeals, coupled with high standards on prosecutions, evidence and judges. It shouldn't take more than 12-24 months to complete.
2. You cannot stop a madman through gun control. It's a hairy problem, but front page media stories drive most nutjobs to copycat. Should we muzzle the press or can they restrain themselves? (they do it for Obama - how about for innocent lives?)
3. Let's have Constitutional Carry for the rest of the situations.
Problem solved.
America should ban violence, period. Until violence is banned, we will have violence in our society. Let's pass a law requiring compassion too. need I /s?
I would not agree that Kelly is aligned with the "pro-gun" side of the issue...
Everything about "their" organization is "gun control", regulation/restrictions/infringements, anti-Second Amendment...
What Should America Do About Gun Violence?
Focus on mental health issues but they won't because the constitution can be shredded faster if they focus on destroying the 2nd amendment with nonsense like calling guns "assault weapons" which is like calling cars "assault cars". I mean you will never ever in a million years hear a liberal call a gun a "defense weapon" so let's all call them "assault weapons" so people buy into this BS like they buy into the global warming - oh excuse me, I mean the "climate change" hoax.
"What should we do about gun violence?"
Gee, I dunno.
Maybe have the death penalty actually mean just that as it was a deterrent?
And then let us defend ourselves instead of dialing 911 and hoping they aren't on a donut and coffee break on the far side of town?
And even worse, why didn't Mrs. Giffords testify to this instead of her husband ?
1) Rank all zip codes by murders per capita.
2) Implement a zero tolerance stop and frisk program in all zip codes that have more than 2.5 times the national average of murders per capita.
3) Enforce mandatory prison terms for those caught in these zip codes with an illegal weapon.
4) Eliminate gun free killing zones (any area where guns are not allowed AND there are no official armed guards to protect the public).
5) Mandate every state allow concealed carry using laws similar to what Texas has on the books.
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Skip to comments.Gingrich: Egypt and Libya attacks connected; backs Romney statement on Pres. Obama
Posted on 09/12/2012 7:12:20 AM PDT by Palmetto Patriot
Newt Gingrich suggests a connection between Libya and Egypt uprisings and attacks and backs Mitt Romneys statement yesterday that said President Obama sympathized with attackers.
Gingrich says, This is not just about Libya. You dont get, simultaneously, attacks in Benghazi and Cairo, in Libya and Egypt on a purely local basis. And you dont get them on 9/11, a day were already honoring terrorist attacks against the United States, without a fair amount of collusion and a fair amount of planning. I think you have to look at this in a larger context
. Theres a substantial faction, particularly in Benghazi, which was sending people to Iraq to kill Americans. Theres a substantial faction in Egypt which wants to defeat the United States and destroy Israel. That faction looks for opportunities to do things to hurt the United States and yesterday was the example of an attack thats part of a very long war that were going to be at for a very long time.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com ...
"How can the US government apologize for a film no one has seen, which is what the Embassy in Cairo did yesterday
. Its not just about an event in Libya. Its about a longer war, part of which we were being reminded of yesterday on 9/11.
Secretary of State Gingrich.
Sounds good to me.
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Works for me!
Gingrich was right but the US could end it with in an hour or so if they wanted. But there's no money in doing that, just more dead Americans.
Everyone in the administration and The Obama Media seems to be pretending they haven't noticed
these attacks took place on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
And Hillary is proclaiming that this outrage was committed by a "small" group of fanatics. Anything like this is always committed by a "small" number of people but what isn't stated is that it always happens with the massive support of the people of Libya and Egypt. Hillary, a total incompetent at what she does, is again lying and deceiving and the response from the White Hut is a disgrace. Charles Krauthammer was right: They can all "Go to Hell" the perpetrators and their supporters and their apologists and defenders in our government. We need to clean out all of this corrupt crap in November!!!
I'd make Newt ambassador to the United Nations and John Bolton SOS.
Good idea!
"I resemble that remark!"
This is part and parcel with what is going on in Syria. The various Muslim sects are having a sort of uncivil war, and this is an effort to drag in the Western powers, most particularly the United States.
The first and nearest objective is Israel, which has gone into a full military alert, with or without the US on board.
The axis of evil now extends Iran to Egypt and through Syria, and makes a nearly complete encirclement of Israel. Even Iraq, once thought to be won back from this axis, is deserting all that had been established at great cost, as al Qaeda in Iraq asserts greater and greater pressure.
Barack Hussein Obama has a difficult decision to make, does he stand with the Sunni, the Shi'ites, or the Alawites? Each of these sects is at odds with both of of the other two, and any alliances that do take place, are for one purpose only, to drive out both the "great Satan" and the "little Satan".
The assault on the embassies and the murder of our envoy are just one front on this war.
Yet he entertained members of the Muslim Brotherhood in the White House.
Obama is either totally incompetent, or he is part of Muslim plan to destroy America.
Either way, if he is not replaced in November, America will fall.
I'll second that!
Thanks for a most excellent response.
Another blind dumb ass hat. This broad doesn't have a clue and describes perfectly the communists liberal mindset. Muslims are the garbage of the earth.
You are a disgrace to General Patton
Snubbing Netanyahu was a signal from obama to the muslims telling them to go for it. Netanyahu knows this. He also knows that half the people in this country hates the Israelis as much as the muslims hates them. I can see Israel going out in a blaze of glory and taking care of our muslim problem at the same time. My hope is to see Jesus Christ show up and take care of Israel and rule for a thousand years.
Or Ezekiel's War, perhaps. The Russians, Syrians, Egyptians, and Iranians all come down out of the mountain to capture Israel, with a coordinated attack conventional/nuclear attack on Tel Aviv.
The missiles fall harmlessly on to Tel Aviv, and the Israeli Army routes them in the mountains.
They use the nuclear fuel in the rockets to power their reactors for another seven years.
We can hope. That would be much better than the option.
And the beginning of the end of days.
The Lord made a promise to Israel. I wouldn't bet against Him.
As for Netanyahu, falling back on Yahweh is hoping for the best. He has to prepare for the worst.
I cannot believe he's standing alone.
I hate to say this, but I predict a nuclear attack on the United States before the election. Obama's just signaled the go ahead, and you see what is happening overseas.
Were the Russian's to launch on us, all Obama has to do is delay giving the order with the football, and it is over.
Then you have the geopolitical situation where it is truly Israel vs the World. No US to back them, just the Lord. That's what the Lord would want, and that's what the Lord has done throughout history.
The message to Israel is, "You don't need anybody but Me."
If it happens, it will happen probably in the next few days, since the last thing the Muslim's want is for Obama to get pressured into doing something patriotic, like raise the DefCon. There are more Marines headed into Libya, which was stupid.
The play is to position a Carrier Task Force and start bombing and droning rebel positions to remind them who's hand they are biting. The Europeans must be quaking in their boots, given all the oil they get from the Libyans.
Last question: Where in the hell is Romney on this? If you can't win the election based on the mess in Chicago and the messes in the ME, you shouldn't be President.
Gingrich is about to climb out of his skin. Personally, I think he'd be a good SecState.
The long war is being lost if we allow Saudi Wahabbists to run every madrassa from here to Asia.
Scary times indeed. And, yes, obama has just told the world you can attack us and we'll blame ourselves for hurting the attacker's feelings.
Netanyahu has no choice. And I wouldn't be surprised to see a nuclear winter out of this. When Israel uses a nuke all the muslim countries who have nukes will use theirs. Hope I'm over reacting.
" - - - and backs Mitt Romneys statement yesterday that said President Obama sympathized with attackers." (Newt)
Who in The Media agrees with Newt, and who agrees with EMPTY CHAIR-MAN OBAMA?
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Flames All-Time Top 10 Draft Picks: #4 Joe Nieuwendyk
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January 24 2013 01:16PM
As we head into the meat of this list, we hit the rarefied air of all-time NHL greats. Among them lies the pride of Oshawa, Ontario, centreman (and current general manager of the Dallas Stars) Joe Nieuwendyk.
The Flames acquired Nieuwendyk in the second round of the 1985 NHL Entry Draft. For trivia, they took Chris Biotti in the first round, and he ended up going to Italy to play pro before retiring. Rest assured, they did better with their second round selection. Although, to be blunt, the 1985 draft was not especially good for any NHL club.
In addition to having a last named that frustrated sportswriters during his entire professional career, Nieuwendyk also had a set of on-ice skills that frustrated defenders.
Crafty with the puck with good vision and laser accurate shot, Nieuwendyk won the Calder Memorial Trophy in his first full NHL season, scoring 51 goals, which at the time tied an NHL record for rookies. He repeated the feat the next season and followed that up with a pair of 45 goal efforts. All-told, Nieuwendyk scored 30+ goals on eight occasions and 20+ goals on 15 occasions. He spent the first chunk of his career with the Flames, winning a Stanley Cup in 1989 and serving as team captain for three seasons, before holding out for a new contract following the 1994-95 season.
The Flames, feeling the crunch of the ever-tightening Canadian dollar, traded their captain to the Dallas Stars for reliable veteran forward Corey Millen and some junior prospect named Jarome Iginla, who may or may not have turned into a player of some note in the future. More reearch is needed to confirm this last bit.
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Following his trade to Dallas Nieuwendyk played six and a half seasons for the Stars. The highlight of his tenure was no doubt winning the Stanley Cup in 1999 as well as the Conn Smythe Trophy as the playoff MVP. He was later traded to New Jersey in a multi-player deal and won his third Stanley Cup with the Devils as well. Following short stints with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Florida Panthers (neither of which resulted in Cup wins somehow) Nieuwendyk retired and eventually joined the Maple Leafs front office before ultimately being named Dallas' GM in 2009.
Nieuwendyk was a Flames captain, one-third of one of the best lines the team ever iced (with Gary Roberts and Theoren Fleury) and managed over 1100 points and 560 goals during a lengthy NHL career. Oh yeah - he won three Cups with three different teams and has an Olympic gold medal.
In short: Joe Nieuwendyk was every bit as good a hockey player as his name is hard to spell and easily the best 2nd round pick in the organization's history.
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Flames top-10 picks of all time
- 4 - Joe Nieuwendyk
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- 7 - Hakan Loob
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- 9 - Dion Phaneuf
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January 24 2013, 01:47PM
I always end up searching his name on wikipedia any time I reference him, just so I get the spelling right and I don't look stoopid. Sounds like there may be some foregiveness if I do get it wrong in the future. Great pick, deserves top 5 position FOR SURE.
January 24 2013, 01:54PM
I want a do-over on my team. Stupid David Booth getting injured immediately.
January 24 2013, 01:55PM
You can always enter another team!
When's the cut off for entering teams into the draft?
Team Camel Toews won't do so well with Hartnell injured and all.
January 24 2013, 02:06PM
The 27th, so 3 days from now.
Great, thanks Kent!
Watched a stunning interview with Nieuwendyk. The interviewer brought the dude to tears when he quote an old teammate "of all the great players I had the benefit of calling teammates, Joe Nieuwendyk was the best person I had the benefit of playing with".
He was always a class act, winning the Conn Smyth in '99 with a bad knee was one of my best memories and he is one of the few Flames I had the fortune to meet (on a Flight back from Toronto in the summer of 1990).
January 24 2013, 03:26PM
You can always enter another team!
Because if I do, I appreciate the implicit compliment.
January 24 2013, 04:13PM
I assume all FN readers look like a million bucks.
January 24 2013, 04:24PM
Nieuwy was the best guy to stand in front of the net, ever! I miss watching that guy tip point shots in behind the goalies. I constantly think about that when I watch current Flames games. Why can't we find someone like that again.
January 24 2013, 04:59PM
I still remember when I first heard that he was traded to Dallas and we got Iginla. Freezing cold morning, I was driving to the airport to go to LA. For some reason it just really stands out.
Joe Nieuwendyk was a 'can't miss' player from the get go and I whole heartedly agree. He was a great skater and had terrific hand-eye co-ordination evidenced by his goals scored tipping in shots from the point or the outside. His becoming captain of the club was a popular decision during a period of transition in the post-Stanley Cup period. But he was no Lanny, no Jarome.
A terrific Flame, an exciting player to watch during his tenure here.
But lets not sugar coat his end in Calgary. He was holding out when he was traded. The Cdn/US $ exchange rate may have played into the situation, but he was a hold out nonetheless. The deal that resulted in the club getting Corey Millen and Jarome Iginla was a decent return, one obtained when the team had the dual guns of dollar differential and a holdout held to its head. Similar situation to Gilmour. In my opinion, it tarnished his achievements wearing Flames livery.
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You guys have got me curious. I had Nieuwendyk pegged as #3, as 1 and 2 are pretty obvious in my eyes. I can't think of another draft pick I'd rate above Joe than those two though, and one of those is very debatable even, cause he didn't play much for the Flames.
I this greatest draft picks? Or greatest impact on the Flames? i don't remember.
PS. If anyone needed proof of how important the draft is, at least 6 of ten of these guys will have played on the same '89 cup winning team.
Obviously as you can tell by my online name, I'm a Joe Nieuwendyk fan. I remember when Joe was in his rookie season, lighting it up and being referred to as "Joe Who". The excitement about having a rookie that could score 50 goals (missed beating Mike Bossy's record by 3)was awesome. Glad he didn't break it though, as Temmu would have destroyed it a few years later.
Back in those days, when you bought a jersey, you paid per letter, so my mom thought I should be a Joel Otto fan instead. Guess I always had more expensive tastes.
I still have the old, white jersey that I bought and as soon as the Flames brought back the retro jerseys, bought a new red one. It fits a little better.
I would love to see his number hang in the rafters next to Lanny and Mike, but realize that due to the way he left the Flames, this will never happen. Probably needed a couple more years here too. I won't be surprised to see the Flames honor Joe the same way they did with Al McInnis last year (which is bush league in my mind...as if #2 shouldn't have been retired). I also can't stand any player who wears #25. Sorry Begin.
I think it's important to point out, as much as Joe held out and was eventually traded, it was Doug Risebrough as GM at the time. He played hardball with every player at contract time (aside from Gary Roberts). It was a time in the mid-90's when players salaries were starting to climb and Risebrough couldn't wrap his head around players making that kind of money. Add that to a terrible dollar, owners who wouldn't/couldn't pay superstars, and a Flames team that had numerous future hall of famers, and you get the eventual dissection of a stanley cup winning team and ever so awesome "Young Guns" era.
I love you Joe!!!!!!(insert man crush here)
January 25 2013, 11:44AM
You can always enter another team!
In seriousness, you might get more money raised (assuming you folks do this next year) if you allow multiple teams per email address; even if it's just 2-3. I definitely would've done two teams, but I only have one home email address, and the ungainly nature of setting up another one and then monitoring two separate accounts is a substantial deterrent for something of this nature.
January 25 2013, 02:49PM
Huh. I wasn't aware you couldn't enter multiple teams with one email. Did you send something to email@example.com?
January 25 2013, 08:59PM
Interesting sidenote...
The pick the Flames used to draft Joe 'I score when I like' Nieuwendyk was acquired when the Flames traded some guy named Kent Nilsson.
Best ever Kent Nilsson video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuBrttASsk0 (7 minute mark)...crazy skill!!!!


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An Open Letter to Calgary
March 31 2008 09:01AM
Dear Calgary,
We've never gotten along, you and I. I'm a born-and-raised Edmontonian, and the simple blue-collar life here in Central Alberta doesn't really jive with the metropolitan, white-collar lifestyle of the City by the Mountains. You like your freeways, we like our stabbings... Our two cities are like night and day in a lot of ways. What little we do share in common is hardly enough to make us drinking buddies. So we've settled on rivalry.
But certain cruel twists of fate sometimes mean we're rooting for you. Like last night. We wanted you guys to win. Really, we did. And our motivations may have been selfish, but I think we can both agree that we're living in unusual times. Times that mean the Oil have two games left before the end of the regular season. Times that mean we're trying to sneak into the top eight teams in the west. Times that mean even though it's "spring" it's still really frickin' cold outside—cold enough to refrigerate our beer the natural way while we watch teams we wouldn't normally watch duke it out.
You guys took on VanCity yesterday. We eked out a win against you guys the night before and that was pretty devastating I know. We did it in your building. We did it in spite of the mouth-breathing "C" of Red booing every time a Calgary player fell or took a dive because you thought a penalty should have been called against the Oil. But come on, you guys. You're pros. You're pros and you gave up six goals to Van. And we'd probably be pretty ambivalent in any other situation. But you're really messing with our playoff drive.
We don't have much choice now but to hope you keep losing. There are a few scenarios we've worked out but this one is our favourite:
Edmonton wins its next two games for four points. Nashville only gets three points in its remaining three tilts. But here's the kicker, Calgary. And you're going to take this personally. Because it's personal.
Since you've gone 4-6-0 in your last ten, we need you to lose to the Canucks again. And, in a perfect world, we'd like to see you end the season without winning a game from here till the end, but we don't want to be petty. And then we need the Canucks to choke against the Avs, but you can let us worry about that.
When that happens, Edmontonians will build a human pyramid on Churchill Square as a demonstration of our pride. No need for any collapsible laser-domes. A new arena will appear floating above the downtown core on a cloud, with ample parking and bus access for all citizens. Ticket prices will drop, so that even the homeless can go to games. The Utopia we're trying to build up here in Central Alberta will be complete.
You haven't completely cooperated with us, Calgary. But we know you'll come through. You're as curious as we are to see how the Oilers would do in the first playoff round. So thanks in advance. We appreciate your utter lack of effort.
DJ Spin Cycle OilersNation
March 31 2008, 10:45AM
Ask them to send Iginla back up here where is was born too. We can get him a job on the local hockey squadron
March 31 2008, 10:46AM
As it often goes in sibling rivalries, that fateful annual checkup arrives and its determined scientifically (although we had all known for some time), that the younger brother is finally taller (and likely gets more girls) than the older. Oddly, what the older brother does is tries to compensate by putting the younger down for irrelevant, arbitrary things, in an attempt to reinstate their dominance (read: whining about Calgary fans booing). They try to explain how things are going to get better (i.e. with a rink downtown), all the while ignoring the fact that the younger brother did that quite some time ago... for the Olympics that they hosted... just saying...
For a displaced Calgarian, who has lived a few years in the Capital city (which remains so due to the extreme expense in moving the Legislature to Calgary), I can say that I enjoy Edmonton and Edmontonians. I love the festival atmosphere of the summer, and the welcoming nature of the people. The proximity to mountains isn't great, but thank god we have hockey to keep us entertained during the winter. And while nobody is too fond of that weird hippy cousin, Vancouver, I am still glad to see them keeping the Oilers out of the playoffs, so Edmonton doesn't get the idea that they're somehow better than Calgary.
As an olive branch, I would like to offer the City of Edmonton (via one-way Greyhound ticket), the miraculous Mike Keenan. May he bring as much success to you as he has to Kristian Huselius' career.
A team with a 50-goal scorer...err... almost 50...
March 31 2008, 11:44AM
You can keep Huselius, we already have a water boy. As for Keenan, you can keep him too. We already have a little bald coach in Billy Moores
Flame-on-Oil. I think you could be more appropriately named Boil-on-Ass of Human Race. In about 220 or so of your own words you have captured the reason I could not live in Calgary. When you drive out of the trailer park tomorrow on you way to the local Macdonalds to work you shift take this thought with you. Drive down to Calgary and wrap you arms around your 5 Stanley cups...Oh that's right you only have ONE. Okay, when you drive out of the trailer....
March 31 2008, 03:27PM
Question for Flame-on-Oil: if the Flames are so good, why are they so bad? I mean, you're talking about a team that's in a fight for it's life down the stretch against teams like Robert Luongo and the injury-riddled and rookie-laden Oilers. Hardly a perfomance to crow about. And the best part is, the Oilers are young and have plenty of room to improve. Calgary, while still having a superior core, does not. So even if we lose, we win. El. Oh. El.
March 31 2008, 09:08PM
Well played Mr. Cycle. I am considering giving you a dollar for being so brilliant!!!
Don't beg Calgary, it's better to lose after this run that to lick the Calgary teet and drop a yea's master, thank you master. Don't beg that team isn't worth it.
Awesome. You know the greatest thing about the Lames? How Sutter has locked up the core of his disfuncional, underachieving team for years to come!!!! Great work Sutter, your a lenend, Burke would be proud.
Hey ilike your sympathetic letter wanting for our flames to fan the flames a little harder so use guys can make the playoffs too...well maybe next year eh boyz? u guys did do really well right at the playoff drive and u did beat us in our own city so hats off to you! but in the end the best man was left standing and that leaves you guys sitting on the bleachers cheering us on!


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Skip to comments.Pastor James Manning accuses Columbia University of treason. Obama never went to the school.
Posted on 01/11/2010 5:35:53 PM PST by Mozilla
Pastor James David Manning, one of President Obamas most vocal and outspoken critics, has just released a video yesterday in which he is charging Columbia University with treason and is taking them to court. Pastor Manning alleges that Obama never went to the school and that he actually bought the degree. Pastor Manning states that Obama was instead in Afghanistan during the period of time from 1981 to 1983, working for Al Qaeda, when Obama was supposedly attending Columbia.
Most of what we know about Barack Obama comes from Chicago corruption trial transcripts, Illinois records such as the IL bar, internet data that has not yet been scrubbed and his autobiography, Dream of My Father. But, Obama has kept hidden most of the records of his life. As noted by websites like World Net Daily, other documentation not yet available includes Obama's kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, his adoption records and ,of course, his Birth Certificate.
Obama certainly has some connection to Columbia University. Obama was given a diploma and grades from Columbia sufficient to allow him to enter Harvard. However, since Obama has employed many private and government attorneys to avoid presenting a legitimate birth certificate and college records, we have no proof of his grades or even his attendance and graduation. In Fact, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students, back in 2008, from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.
Wayne Allyn Root,a former presidential candidate, was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, I dont know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I dont have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia . Ever! Nobody recalls him. Im not exaggerating, Im not kidding.
Obamas photograph does not appear in the schools yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.
So then, What do we know of Obama being enrolled in, graduating from or otherwise being associated with Columbia University? Hardly nothing!
Pastor Dr. James Manning of Atlah Ministries in Harlem, New York City further states that Columbia University is helping to cover-up the lies for Obama and thus he has sued them and taken them to court.
Pastor James Manning: Columbia University treason
Sadly, I'm beginning to wonder about Pastor Manning's sanity. The allegation against Columbia is very serious, accusing them of selling Soetoro/Obama a degree.
That drek may have been generated by a societ operative and given to Barry for forwarding to publication as yet another piece of fabricating his 'history at Columbia'. Nothing about this affirmative action lying bastard in the White House is as it appears. Nothing!
Nada. That twerp didn't write that!
Not to worry, I posted it below.
I'm very aware of the massive voids in his history. It stinketh . . . Nonetheless, if Rev. Manning is serious about going after Columbia I hope he has more than suspicions, or he won't get far.
Community organizing. On the job training.
OK. Extremely crazy. Alleging Columbia allowed him to claim he attended when he didn't to cover up time allegedly spent in the ME is ridiculous.
He may not have attended Columbia...but a school in Russia...no one not one person remembers him AT ALL...at Columbia...something is very very fishy about the impostor and Columbia University.
God Bless the good Pastor.
It just isn't natural how those two men are sitting together.
That is kind of creepy, that photo.
What a model student.
Count the fingers on the hand/s on the Paki's knee. More than one hand there. Snuggle bunnies.
The hearts are a nice touch.
I never noticed the fingers before. Thanks for pointing that out. Can't tell for sure. Need a higher quality image.
There was a thread or two a while ago whereon people including maggief (hope I got her name right) blew it up and you could count NINE fingers on that hand/s on the Paki's knee.
They're holding hands.
Our current commander in chief should be referred to as 'Thing' until we find out who he really is and where he came from.
I wonder if he ever registered for the Draft,,,,,I bet not.
Your reaching for something that isn't there. Good luck with that.
Hey Rahm. How are you?
It looks to me like Barry has his left hand on his own thigh. That said, I don't know any (sober) straight guys who would sit that close together, at least not American guys. Very odd image.
Are those the rest of Obama's fingers under his right boot?
Manning is getting more traction than orly taitz. Manning invented the MacDaddy epithet for you know who.
Good Points!
Thanks for the ping to this, Lucy!
A lot of people on this thread are dismissing what Manning is saying because he named Al Qaeda and they weren't organized until 1988 (at least not *officially*). I hope people read this, and understand what Manning is saying is entirely possible. He could be referring to the group that eventually became the *main* Al Qaeda branch under Bin Laden himself, or any number of smaller groups/camps in operation at that time (and still today).
Al Qaeda as an organization may not have officially declared itself as such until 1988, but there is no doubt there were many radical Islamic terrorist groups in existence WAY before that. Al Qaeda itself is, shall we say, a "Parent Corporation" - an "organizing group" much like some of the liberal political organizing groups we see here in the US. It is actually made up of many smaller radical groups throughout the world (Some groups incidentally being in Kenya, Indonesia, Afghanistan & Pakistan - just to name a few places).
Not all of these smaller groups even acknowledge their links to Al Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood, but they are there. Al Qaeda is like a "Networking Group", and they supply funds, and materials for these smaller groups. These groups may look to Al Qaeda for leadership and their spiritual guidance in their jihad, but they exist on their own as well....
I hope I explained this well enough. All one has to do is go to the State Dept. Webpage, or do a google search for [IIRC - it's been a long time since I visited the site] the "Terrorist Encyclopedia" or perhaps the "Terrorism Encyclopedia" and you will have access to more information on known terrorist groups than you can imagine.
Now, I don't know if Manning is right or wrong about these charges. Perhaps he has found some kind of evidence that he is not revealing at this point? I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt - for all the outspoken-ness and his willingness to put his reputation, freedom and life on the line I think he at least deserves the benefit of a doubt on this action, IMHO.
I do admit that it's hard for me to see how he could sue a college and charge them with treason — that's a criminal charge, not one to be heard in Civil Courts (at least that's my non-lawyer beliefs on this — meaning I could be wrong). I will say I haven't watched the video yet (computer isn't liking it right now.) So, maybe he explains all of those things in his video - could be. :)
Now, I'm aware of a trip Obama took to PAKISTAN supposedly during this time, but this is the first I've heard mention of Afghanistan, personally. IIRC, Obama spoke of this trip in his book and said he was visiting the family of his college roommate there (can't remember if it was a roommate from Occidental, or Colombia).
I know it was definitely Pakistan that he admitted to visiting right around this time. Which honestly makes me hope Manning has his ducks in a row on this and isn't making a fatal error by mixing up the country! On the other hand, for all we know Obama could very well have traveled to Afghanistan FROM Pakistan during that time. If one was going to attend a terrorist training camp it was probably the route of choice, frankly... Slip over the border, no passport needed — especially if you were seeking entrance to a terrorist training camp. Perhaps Manning has found a former terrorist or something that remembers Obama going to "camp" with him and is a little miffed at him for not completely abandoning the US's support for Israel, and going up against Iran??? I suppose stranger things have happened.
There are definitely people out there in the world that know Barack's secrets. He will eventually tick off the wrong person and his house of cards will come tumbling down around him (at least I pray that will be the case, and sooner vs. later).
I posted a comment at #176 you may be interested in. It's probably stuff you both already know, though...
If I'm not mistaken the guy in the picture Siddiqui(sp?) is the one I was referring to in my post - the one who he went with to Pakistan to visit his family during the summer break (or something like that according to Obama's book).
Sadly, people are going to dismiss a lot of what Manning is saying because he used the name "Al Qaeda" which wasn't *officially* an entity until 1988. What people are forgetting is that Al Qaeda (like the Muslim Brotherhood) are made up of many smaller groups - some that existed way before the *organization* really got started by Bin Laden. It's not as if he was doing nothing before 1988 though...
Then again, most of the people I see on this thread that are dismissing Manning's charges are the same folks who consistently dismiss any and all charges against Obama that are even remotely related to Certifigate... So, it's not surprising really that they would be here saying these things on this thread... I don't know if Manning is right or wrong on these particular charges, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. JMHO.
[Hope you both are doing well. :) ]
I meant post #126, not 176 — sorry about that. The post I refer to is actually directly before the one I sent to the two of you. :)
LOL. An "atheist Muslim." That's a new one. Where did you get it? Was it listed as an example under oxymoron in the dictionary?
I seriously doubt it. A typical graduating class was around 700 students (it's more now). It's very unlikely anyone, even someone social enough to be elected class president, would personally know everyone in the class.
This is especially true of commuter students, like Obama, who lived off campus and didn't participate much in extracurricular activities.
Nope. No college is.
Americans were certainly allowed to travel to Pakistan then. The State Department merely issued an advisory that Americans needed to get a 30-day visa before they arrived. That has morphed into an internet rumor that there was a travel ban.
Thanks, Liberty Rocks. I also share your thoughts as a definite possibility. And some people may think Manning is nuts because of his demeanor but I think he is a brave man, also a possibility he may have evidence he is not detailing.
I hope you are well, too!
(My motto: Never a dull moment.)
Beats me.
If he takes them to court and they are not allowed to release any records, what's the expected outcome?
The same outcome that can be expected in all these crazy birther lawsuits: dismissal.
I sure he has.
I'm also sure he owns a certain bridge in New York that you might be interested in buying.
They are holding hands.
I'm not going to dismiss anything until it is proven false. I wouldn't put anything past the usurper in chief. I know he is hiding things in his past and present. Many have already been exposed. It's only a matter of time before he is busted.
Your profile page is full of incorrect statements, propaganda and lies. You belong over at DU or KOS. You're one of them.
I wonder where one becomes 'an economist' who cannot spell simple words and has so little objectivity?
This is before the bongs were popular???
Crystal clear.
"I dont know if Manning is right or wrong on these particular charges, but Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being."
Many of us who yawn at this stuff are not as swayed by conspiratorial speculation as others. When this type of stuff is posted about Sarah Palin or any conservative you care to name, we are rightly dismissive. Post about BHO or WJC and we allow conspiracy on top of innuendo on top of speculation. Facts seem to be the missing ingredient. It's as interesting as a Charlie Sheen lecture on 9/11.
Shilling for 0bama will get you nowhere, other than high fives from other shills.
0bama and Clinton have shady backgrounds, associations and leftist ideologies. They are not the same kind of people as Palin, for instance.
Your boy is going to go down, hard. Too many people know crap about him and sooner or later, the dam will break. Ha ha.
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Skip to comments.Behind-the-Scenes Video: Fox News Colleagues Mocking Sarah Palin
Posted on 11/16/2010 11:48:26 AM PST by onyx
Fox News pays Sarah Palin as a contributor to their network. And apparently to be fair and balanced, they also pay Judith Miller and Liz Trotta to make fun of Sarah Palin:
UPDATE: Heres what was said:
LIZ TROTTA: Alessandra Stanley [of the New York Times] had the best line [in her Nov. 11 review]. She said the new [Palin TLC] show was like The Sound of Music without the Nazis, without the romance and without the music.
JUDITH MILLER (laughing): Oh, the Washington Post hated it, too . . . [Post TV critic Hank Steuver] said [Palin has] the kind of sound of a voice when warning you to heed the bears it would actually scare the bears. . . . He said you just get the sense that all shes waiting for when shes looking at this great outdoors is to get back to her SUV for enough bars to send out her latest twitter about the beauty of the environment.
OK, thats what was said during the commercial break. Heres what was said when the show came back on the air:
SCOTT: She has gotten a lot of heat for that new show. Some lefty groups, Ellis, are pushing Discovery Communications to pull the plug. How about at that for freedom of speech?
[ELLIS] HENICAN: Strategic misstep on the part of the lefty groups, as you mentioned. Let the woman talk. Believe me, the more she talks, the better off they are.
[JON] SCOTT: Interesting that some of these folks who dont like her I mean, she puts eyeballs in front of television sets, right?
MILLER: Yeah, and she got a network to pay her a million dollars per episode to do this. But I found the most interesting review to come from Karl Rove, who is not exactly a left wing lunatic, who said this is not going to advance her presidential prospects. This doesnt make her look presidential. Id listen to Karl.
TROTTA: And the numbers keep going down every time she makes appearance, her popularity numbers. You have to keep track of those. The more you see her, the less you like her. And overexposure is something the Democrats have to pray for.
SCOTT: So you think that
TROTTA: Plus the fact that they can bank on the timidity of most men, who are so absolutely spooked by feminism that theyre afraid to criticize her.
HENICAN: Give her something on the Cartoon Network
This just makes them look really petty and shallow.
These people are all lefties. What do you expect them to say about the program?
I'll wager that none of these oafs mentioned that the first episode attracted more than 5-million viewers.
I would prefer Michelle Bachman for POTUS over Sarah but the more people attack the Palins', the more I like them as good, christian, patriotic Americans.
Trotta I'm not surprised by at all, she has hated Sarah from day 1, she is a big time liberal Democrat, the others are Dems too, that Hennigan roach but Jon Scott, that is a surprise, he seemed like a good guy
She will invite the troops from Walter Reed Instead...
She knows about cold, and that would be a dish I would love to see her serve ( the media ) them...
That sounds exactly like what she would do.
Have these people EVER set foot in fly-over country?
>>> the more people attack the Palins, the more I like them as good, christian, patriotic Americans. <<<
Which is EXACTLY what they are, and have always been.
Liz Trotta acyually said something about Sarah "TOTING HER RETARDED CHILD AROUND"!! I DETEST LIZ TROTTA!!
This show is serving no purpose anymore. I doubt if it has any ratings.
They think that over-exposure will hurt her.
I think not. I think the more America sees her the more likely America will be to recognize BS when it gets said about her.
Are they making light of Palin, or laughing at the reviews by WaPo, etc. ?
That is shocking!
Looks like from the transcript that Scott was just asking questions and not making comments
Those people are the very elites that think they're still calling the shots. Completely out of touch with us.
I think the farthest west they've been is Ft. Lee, New Jersey!
You go, Sarah. Show these jealous fools how it's done.
I don't know why this is a shock to anyone. Those "Commentators" are Democrats, Trotta, Miller, Henican, these are Dems, what do people expect them to do, praise her..they are Dems, and Dems who are total pricks too
IIRC, she called Trig, "it."
Let's see how Judith Miller and Liz Trotta like the "sunlight."
Scott seems fine, at least in the quotes I read above.
Provocative - Sarah is a Fox contributor - so this is fair and balanced:
One against four;)
She can handle it - think of it as weight training. Add a few more pounds with each lift. Pretty soon you can carry the world!!!
I actually saw this, could not believe it. It was like a jab fest from EVERYONE against Palin. Sounded like they were tired of discussing her and wish it would all go away, even the skinny red headed conservative guy with glasses. WHat is his name???? Pinkerton or something like that
Liz Trotta needs to get her ass fired for that statement alone. That is absolutely DISGUSTING for anyone to say about a beautiful child. I dare that b*tch to say that to Sarah's face, Sarah would smack the crap out of that horses ass
Fox had a big thing last night on Romney. I think it was part of Hannity's show but it was very much about making Romney look Presidential. At one point they called him the next president.
Ellis Henican, whose main gig is Newsday, is essentially the token "Progressive" of FN; he's the counterpart of ABC's George Will, with catiness in place of intelligence.
These comments are not surprising at all, these people are all "inside the beltway" elites.
Trotta and Miller are chronic PDS'ers. They have no business being on that set in the first place.
Yeah I heard about that, yippee just what we need..the white version of Obama
Who & who? I watch Fox pretty regularly, and I have no idea who these broads are.
Exactly. Sarah laughs at all of them and (prays for them, I'm sure) and now we get to see what catty witches they are, and yes, Ellis is a catty female too....LOL.
Agree, I don't think Jon Scott was slamming her. He was very neutral.
And to be very honest, this is pretty mild stuff for crying out loud.
Ellis doesn't say anything here that he doesnt say on live cable.
Judith is pretty snarky, but again she's made her preferences pretty public so this is consistent—no big deal.
Liz is a sourpuss but what she says is just her opinion, so what?
I'm so sick of these idiot women.
Not surprising but VERY upsetting. If they want to trash Sarah Palin, fine, she can handle their nonsense, but to trash a baby, a 2 year old baby, what the hell did he ever do to deserve that..ya know, I just don't understand some people. All I can say is they are evil, pure evil, there is no cure for that
I agree. Nothing is surprising from the lefties on the show.
I didn't see Jon Scott say anything negative about Sarah.
What did he say that surprised you?
The reason the leftists and rinos are pissed about the show is that they can't control the agenda on the show.
They want to control the Palin narrative, be it through mocking SNL parodies or "experts" negatively assessing here.
Leftists and all about control and coercion...through government, media, "educators"...
They've lost the narrative and it is eating them alive.
What's the screen name of the man who posted the vanity last Saturday about this?
I have tried to ping him, but I don't have the screen name correct.
"Retired Military Intelligence Officer" - something like that.
They won't be fooling coonervatives with that Romney schtick. Its pretty clear that the country club GOP intends to saddle us with another lame duck RINO presidential candidate, who does not care what the people want, its their elitist agenda that matters.
We are going to EFF them royally. That has already started.
No one can stand up against Palin. No One.Not all the Mitt Romneys and all the money thay can bring will be able to defeat Sarah Palin, whether she is a GOP candidate or an independent presidential candidate.Because of this fact I fear for Sarah's life.She needs heavy security at this point.
Yeah my mistake, I was just reading all of the negative stuff I just kinda bundled him into the mix. I went back and read what he said, something about how she attracts ratings, something like that, I guess it wasn't negative. Those other buffoons, not surprised, they are of course Dems, and Dems are slimy evil bastards, so nothing they said surprised me, but that Trotta, WOW she makes my blood boil, to say that about Trig, I'd love 2 minutes with her
Me too, and now let their snark about Sarah Palin see sunlight!
Fire them all.
how do we get to Fox to hear what we think of that ugly cow!!
how do we get to Fox to hear what we think of that ugly cow!!
I'd love to see their asses fired. Not even Juan Williams would have said something like THAT about a baby
Right. I didn't detect the *mocking*
Hardcore Palin supporters might see it a little differently. };!)
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