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Natty Test Stack Androgel, DAA, Erase, Endosurge first log
Natty Test Stack Androgel, DAA, Erase, Endosurge first log
Okay, I have been reading the boards for awhile and have decided to run this stack and log results. Low down: got my lab work back at free test 6.6 overall 330. Age 21 5'10 170 9% BF, doing crossfit 5 days per week HIIT. Eat strict paleo. IF from Leangains.
Doc gave me a bunch of 1% 5g Androgel so I am going to be using it for 4 weeks. During which I will also be taking DAA(SNS caps and Nutra planet bulk),Erase, and Endosurge for 8 weeks. Additional supps: Xyzal(prescription anti histamine),4,000IU D3, Krill oil, Green Tea Extra, K2, some Orange Triad. Take 10g BCAA preworkout; whey and mono creatine post. Casein protein and magnesium powder before bed (8pm for IF). Usually drink alcohol in moderation few shots of whiskey, vodka, tequila diet soda no grains/gluten.
Day 1: Did two packages of Androgel after workout about 6pm and felt great
Day 2: Did 1 package Gel in am with a Roxy Lean by BPI pill I got for free. I felt good energy until the niacin/thiamin caused me to turn red itchy and feel like bawls. I couldn't even drink my daily coffee at work and usually can drink 4 or 5 cups black by noon no problem. Workout went poorly as I had tightness in chest and heart was being weird. Not cool. Don't know if it is the Roxy or Andro. Tomorrow will only be 1 package Androgel no Roxy. (still waiting on my shipment of Daa/Erase/Endosurge should be starting it Friday).
Day 3 will be written tomorrow. I encourage any feedback or suggestions as I have time to kill.
I did consider about running some Titanium XL, Anabeta or IGF-2 or maybe even some DHEA/LDOPA, but thought the endo/erase were sufficient. I am trying to stay lean/leaner but gain strength and ultimately bring my Testosterone to higher levels.
8/25 Day 4: Drank a little beer last night oops Did the filthy fifty WOD Saturday morning and felt pretty good. Heavy foam rolling for about 45 minutes to break up lactic acid and tissues. Noticing a little stiffness in the joints, cracking knuckles more often but not painful. Energy is good and sleep came on pretty easily at night.
8/26 Day 5: Its Sunday, went for light jog (3miles) in the morning but had bowel irritability that greatly hindered distance and speed . Not sure if it was because I ate some questionable non paleo foods or the supps... Went to Church after and felt alert and focused. I rested the remainder of day.
8/27 Monday Day 6: Sleep is remaining fantastic!!
This is going to be the 3rd day in which I am taking a full 75mg of the Erase. Overall, I notice I am peeing more frequently and longer. Dehydrating a bit? Slightly more vascular in the forearms (I have always been so here) Not veiny anywhere else at this point. Body composition seems a little leaner in lower stomach. No painful nips or swelling that I can tell. Going to Crossfit in the afternoon and working late this evening with a possible softball game. Started chewing a little Thermogum and enjoying it at work.
*I have been alternating caps and powder for the daa and have not made any conclusions except the pills look BA and the powder is only convenient if it is used in my pre workout shake.
Natty Test Stack Androgel, DAA, Erase, Endosurge 8 weeks
Currently, my blood results are Free Test 6.6 & Overall T 330; consequently, they are low for my age. I have not done a "cycle" but at 16 ran some Winnie, sus-500, followed by nolva-xt… Not the best ran stack because I was new. Since then I have been all natural.
Goal: Lose last bit of BF, gain strength and hormonal benefits of increased Testosterone while avoiding Estrogen/Prolactin effects.
Moreover, my newest natty test stack is in response to low T. (Crossfit+Paleo lost 26 lbs. past 2.5 months)
• Doing HIIT 5 days: M,Tu,W,rest,F,ST,rest at Crossfit.
• Following a pretty strict Paleo/Primal lifestyle high grass-fed meats veggies quality fats and low carbs.
• Also, follow Lean Gains 16 hour fast/8 hour eating window.
Day looks like this:
Wake 7am
Work 730am
WOD 430pm
Last meal 8pm
Sleep 11pm
I will be taking the following supplements:
1-4week: 1% 5g Androgel
1-8week: DAA, Endosurge, Erase and below
3g DAA (SNS caps (SodiumDAA) and NP bulk powder)
2/2/2 Endosurge
Daily: Orange Triad 3 pills or 6 depends on day. + 4,000IU D3 Calceriferol, K2, Green Tea, Fish Oil.
PREWO- 10g BCAA+1scoop Flashover
Post- 1 scoop XF whey+ 4g Creatine
Night: 600mg Magnesium, XF Casein 1g Creatine
*antihistamine Xyzal for allergy shots.
**Comment on anything and everything, I love reading and replying.
Notice: I did look into supplementing L-Dopa but Endosurge has plenty. Looked into DHEA as well but didn't see a big benefit. Thought about IGF-2 but need to learn more about the endocrinology and neural pathways. I am a Biomedical Engineer btw.
Any thoughts on Anabeta? Titanium?
8/22 Day 1: Only took the Androgel today since the daa/endo/erase has not arrived. Felt okay got a warm feeling after about 15minutes rest of day nothing noticeable.
8/23 Day 2: Took my Androgel in the morning but included a ROXYLEAN sample I received and felt like bawlz! My body completely flushed from the thiamin/niacin I assume and had major depression low energy bad mood. Workout suffered tremendously.
8/24 Day 3: Received the daa/endo/erase part of the stack wahooo! Took the entire proposed stack before workout and had fantastic energy levels. First time using Flashpoint and it provided good energy no crash. (First time using Flashover and I liked it) Did 2 reps 155 snatch every minute for 10 minutes. Did 2 reps 185 power clean into push press every minute for 10 additional minutes.
8/25 Day 4: Drank a little beer last night oops… Did the filthy fifty WOD Saturday morning and felt pretty good. Heavy foam rolling for about 45 minutes to break up lactic acid and tissues. Noticing a little stiffness in the joints, cracking knuckles more often but not painful. Energy is good and sleep came on pretty easily at night.
8/26 Day 5: It's Sunday, went for light jog (3miles) in the morning but had bowel irritability that greatly hindered distance and speed…. Not sure if it was because I ate some questionable non paleo foods or the supps... Went to Church after and felt alert and focused. I rested the remainder of day.
8/27 Monday Day 6: Sleep is remaining fantastic!!
This is going to be the 3rd day in which I am taking a full 75mg of the Erase. Overall, I notice I am peeing more frequently and longer. Dehydrating a bit? Slightly more vascular in the forearms (I have always been so here) Not veiny anywhere else at this point. Body composition seems a little leaner in lower stomach. No painful nips or swelling that I can tell. Going to Crossfit in the afternoon and working late this evening with a possible softball game. Started chewing a little Thermogum and enjoying it at work.
*I have been alternating caps and powder for the daa and have not made any conclusions except the pills look BA and the powder is only convenient if it is used in my pre workout shake.
8/28 Day 7: Overall feeling good and sleep is my biggest benefit. Weight fluctiated a little on the upside for the weekend, but nothing some IF cant fix. Been drinking lots of coffee and a few thermogum for the thermo effects. Joints are a little more dry than yesterday but not yet painful. Continue to dry in the skin area and still no gyno or nip problems.
i was asking about LCLT and ALCAR earlier,,check my thread some good responses...both Carnitines from what i understand are big staples...Im ordering some goods this weekend.
what exactly is androgel? obviously some sort of t booster
I just got on androgel recently and "the guys" ripped me a new one for taking DAA alongside it ....they said you can't raise/signal your endogenous test up even if its just 2.5 or 5G packets (pretty low dose of 2.5-5mg per day at 1% gel and 10% absorption) of androgel since it exogenous test....and low dose exogenous test will suppress your endogenous test just the same as high dose exogenous test would. I'm not 100% sold on that, while i take the 2.5g or 5g gel packs? I will continue the DAA...once I bump to 7.5g or 10g? (Hopefully ) I will for sure discontinue the DAA since that will be around 100mg per week give or take 25mg (depending on 10% or 20% or whatever percent absorption). but say I'm at 25-50mg per week? I figure DAA might still work at those VERY low dosages....but who knows what kind of absorption we are getting? hell could be 50% for all I know. Esp if people apply it to thin skin areas and areas where there are lots of veins and arteries...with DMSO...not that I do that....
This is not a natty stack if it consist of exogenous testosterone... if I were you I would drop androgel run a "real" natural stack and quit crossfit. I recommend something along the lines of a powerlifting or Olympic training. 5-3-1 DC Training or something else but definitely NOT crossfit
You might have a problem if you drink 5 cups of coffee by noon....... Can you function without any stims? ??!
but yeah, this isn't a natty cycle/stack , quite the opposite. anything with testosterone? probably shouldn't be called natty.
I do have to contend that the daa will do nothing if his is on androgel two packs a day..... the 5 cups of black coffee, thermo gum and Roxy lean really frightens me...... I hope he is not on hrt / trt. If he continues he might need a serm.
Correct, I am only using the 1packet per day of Androgel for 4 weeks everything else for 8 weeks. So I guess to be politically correct it is a "half" natural test boosting since the Androgel is being introduced for the first 4 weeks...
Roxylean: If you read the post critically I had a sample in the mail, so I took [1] one Roxylean and documented the effects as it greatly perturbed my body. It is not a habitual supplement.
Day 8 8/28 + 8/29 Day 9: Got a new PR at Crossfit WOD set of 1 for 420lbs DL. This morning awoke kinda tired watching the stims today lol.
Pretty sure snatchs, cleans, and deadlights are oly lifts... This thread was not made to dispute crossfit fyi.
Do people recommend stopping the Androgel even though it would only be for 4 weeks and use just the daa/erase/endo I also picked up so lclt that I am running now.
So just stop the androgel now since I do not have a SERM and just run the remaining 8 weeks on DAA/LCLT/Erase/Endo. Im also doing prework out of flashover some Beta alanine/creatine/taurine
Androgel is not natty big boy. It will shut u down after a while and only provides low dose of test
U would have to use like 5+ a day.
Thanks y'all for the feedback, I do appreciate it as it behooves myself more than anything. I am cutting out the Androgel; moreover, I did not take it this morning and do not feel like buying a SERM for such a "weak" product like Androgel. I just had some laying around and thought why not. Will continue to log progress of 8 weeks of the aforementioned products. With the introduction of new preworkouts.
I used Androgel for quite some time and went off of it with no SERM. Just a natty test cycle. My test levels recovered to my normal levels - only around 400. I think you'll be fine with no SERM. You ran a low dose for just a few weeks. I'm not a big Androgel fan for many reasons, but I have used it as a test base on 3 cycles now and think it does a great job at that.
So it has been several weeks now and noticing major dry skin. Some flaking as if I was sunburned but nothing major; localized to upper arms. Hands are very dry at the gym I have now ripped off skin twice, which blows. Observations: More alpha male feeling and increase to strength and endurance. I can finish a WOD and recover shortly after.
New PR Deadlift 405lbs for 6 reps
New Box PR for 3 WODs in past 2 weeks
Doing the EOD WOD for Military Hero coming home this weekend 'crossfitconway.com/2012/09/eod-weaver-wod'
Similar to Murph, gonna be fun this will be a testament to the test boost
Overall I am almost halfway through the weight lose has plateaued diet is about 95% Paleo during the week 20% on the weekend continuing with IF. Joints are officially dried out so have been taking the Orange Triad again with plenty of Fish Oil.
That is pretty much it need to start planning how to wean off everything but liking it for now. Thanks for the comments and advice
Gonna sub in on this.
Here is my loghttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216779-bigguy-vs-wilpit.htmlhttp://supplementreviews.com/users/mhseaver670/reviews
Mood is good. Diet was terrible this weekend and have gained about a pound of weight. Anyways the joints feel better overall but wrists are sore every-time I lift. Lots of cardio past few days felt good. Overall, no major changes. Minor change would be I am craving junk food more often. Strength is still good flexibility fair recovery awesome. Just finished 1 of 2 bottles of Erase and Endosurge. Continue to alternate the DAA caps vs powder and don't have any definitive or quantitative evidence to support either. So 4 weeks to go suggestions how to tapper off at the end?
I found that my test levels would climb after my script levels got bumped, but then they would slowly fall back to normal range. IIRC, the highest I ever got up to was around 650ish. Then my levels would fall and the doc would bump up my script. After getting up to the max dose, 10 pumps which is 12.5g I think, I got kinda discouraged. The levels dropped again, and that's when I decided to get off the train. I now save my script for a test base while cycling only. I am now in the low 400s naturally. But, while on TRT my my test ranged from about 500 up to 650. A little better, for me, but not enough to justify the cost and hassle. But, it does make for a great test base on cycle. Minimal sides and great results. I have no complaints with it used this way.Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
If you're thinking Androgel can get you up to 800 range AND keep you there, I'd be very surprised. But, maybe with a low dose AI, and something like Endosurge to free up your total test, you might be able to get better results than I. Good luck.
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Skip to comments.The Rudy Giuliani Truth File (in his own words---quotes, speeches, transcripts, clips, reports)
Posted on 09/07/2008 4:26:11 AM PDT by Liz
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This is the start of a series of threads that will be used to expose the truth about Rudy Giuliani in his own words and deeds. Please post all of the quotes, speeches, interview transcripts, video clips, photos, newspaper/magazine articles, reports, records, statistics regarding:
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---violations of public trust, violations of the rule of law, national security risks, failures in security preparedness prior to and after 911,
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---connections to US, Middle East or South American oil and energy companies and law firms that have profited and or will profit from Giuliani's government offices especially if he becomes president, war profiteering, his personal and business finances,
---his train wreck of a private life and lack of character, lack of qualifications for high office,
---illegal alien sanctuaries, welfare for illegals, pandering to illegals/illegal alien lobby,
---support for the abortion and gay rights lobbies, NARAL connections and participation, past and current support for McCain-Feingold,
---connections and dealings with liberal officeholders or the liberal/socialist caucuses/lobbies, etc, etc, etc, that you can find.
EXCERPT Rudy Giuliani was never a conservative of any kind. As Kate OBeirne pointed out in a recent National Review analysis, Giuliani was endorsed for mayor in 1989 by the Liberal Party, which said of him: He agreed with the Liberal Partys views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer, and tuition tax credits.
In 1992, OBeirne reports, Giuliani said Nelson Rockefeller represented a tradition in the Republican Party Ive worked to rekindlethe Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition.
The Republican Party is in trouble today not because it has drifted away from Rockefeller Republicanism, but because it is drifting back toward it.
The conservative vision is comprehensive. It believes in limited government, traditional values, and a foreign policy that looks at our national interests with cold, clear eyes and works aggressively to defend them. Since the Republican Party unambiguously embraced this vision with the election of Ronald Reagan as President in 1980 it has lost only one presidential election, and has become the majority party in Congress.
The one presidential election that was lostby the senior President Bushcame after Bush had turned his back on core conservative values. In recent years, many Republicans have begun again to betray these values. That is why the GOP congressional majority is vulnerable in this Novembers election.
The job of conservatives between now and then, and through the next election cycle, will be to take our party back----not to hand it over to Rudy Giuliani (or to Joe Lieberman).
What exactly is the point of posting this now?
I think to show a lack of grey matter.
On your part maybe.
Stirring up crap for no good reason.
You won, he lost. People like me that did initially support him have accepted defeat and have been humble in doing so.
The guy gave one of the best speeches at the convention, he helped rally the troops and you want to stick in a knife. Absurd.
On my part? You obviously misread my post. I think this is idiotic in the extreme to post this now.
When Guiliani laughed at Paul for saying government should respect limits on governmental power - that was the moment I wanted Rudy defeated so soundly he would never run again.
Now, to the extent Rudy is helpful in preventing Obama from winning, that's great.
Sorry, I meant the original author.
Nice Liz, lets stir up some old issues that only divide us right now. Hes not the nominee, hes doing what he has to to help beat 0bama, so let it go.
We handed it over to a liberal coddling, rinoistic, back stabbing, "maverick" whose past actions shun converatives and conservative values! Now, with Palin on board we have at least a chance to effect change in the Presidential canidate.
There is no doubt conservatives have to wrest control from the GOP/RNC moderates. Half a conservatvie is no conservative! McCain hit a grand slam with Palin, but it's only going to work for him if he governs like her!
Let's here from Liz... before y'all go off the deep end with criticism. One point she might be making is that we don't want Rudy for Attorney General no matter how well he spoke at the convention.
Well, are you going to come back and defend your reason for posting this or hide?
Forgot courtesy ping.. sorry about that.
"This is the start of a series of threads that will be used to expose the truth about Rudy Giuliani in his own words and deeds."
I'm confused. I didn't know he's running for office against Obama. Please explain.
Now if your thread read like this, it might be worth our energy:
"This is the start of a series of threads that will be used to expose the truth about Barack Hussein Obama in his own words and deeds."
She had every opportunity to do that in post #1. She chose not to. And it's been over 10 min. since she posted.
Dig this up so he won't hold a cabinet position when McCain/Palin win? He sure helped the other night at the convention - he is far from perfect but aren't we all?
I think I'm missing something.
Getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here, aren't we people? Never assume anything until it actually happens. McCain should be running like he's 10 points behind until election day, and so should we.
Forget about Rudy or anyone else and WIN this thing first!
The date of the original thread is 4/25/07.
Don't know what to think.
Someone hack Liz's account?
The time for anything like that is between Nov 5th and Jan 15th, NOT NOW!
Can we have that argument after we win the flippin' election???
I'm still hoping that Fred Thompson will get into the race. Think he'll announce soon?
Google is your friend.
couldn't agree more.
I don't like Rudy either but he's history.
Why dont we wait until McCain wins before we worry about who is going to be AG?
Liz Hanover strikes again. Need a little attention?
Looks like Clinton has the democratic nomination.
McCain/Palin is the ticket.
You need to get a life.
Guess we don;t want him as U.S. A.G. or on the Supreme Court.
>>Guess we don;t want him as U.S. A.G. or on the Supreme Court.<<
I sure as hell don't.
Obviously the main focus is on winning the election but it might be worth a small signal to McCain not to promise too much to Guiliani.
Yup. I like Romney. But I don;t like that Lindsey Graham character, nor Bill Frist nor Brownback either.
All Libs.
That's what I would like to know. At a time when we seek party unity this is devisive.
We did not nominate that RINO.
All the good things about Gov. Palin notwithstanding, there is a RINO on top of the ticket who is Giuliani's equal in his lack of respect for the Constitution.
Wholesale purges are a bad idea. When JimRob or the mods ban somebody it should be on a one on one basis.
Let's deal with AG after McCain is President. 2006 showed the GOP what putting aside their base could do. They will remember. But this isn't a uniting post. Liberals and Obama are still public enemy #1. If we eat our young and argue over cabinet posts before winning the election, the divisions may lead to the DEMS in office.
Wonder what infraction of ideological purity will be worthy of a ban next time?
We haven't recovered from the last purge, as far as I'm concerned. There will always be those whose brains go haywire when confronted with an opposing view, but you'd think that's the point of a discussion forum.
Liz is shinning a light in a darkened room looking for RinoRudy supporters scurrying about in his defense. Purge targets are being acquired.
Well, I guess that explains the red dot on my chest. ;)
For whatever reason, Liz has taken up trolling for a hobby.
This can serve no positive purpose that I can see, and I hope the mods spot it and lock / delete the thread.
This would be a good discussion if we win and appointments are pending...
If Obama wins we could be seeing Attorney General Ramsey Clark again or someone like Marjorie Cohn (President of the commie front National Lawyers Guild).
Have you considered having a real life?
Free Republic still hasn't recovered from the last purge. We don't need another.
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Newcastle boss Alan Pardew is hoping a difficult season could yet end in glory.
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The Magpies head into Thursday night's Europa League second-leg clash with Metalist Kharkiv in Ukraine bidding for a place in the last 16, but still fighting to keep their heads above water in the Barclays Premier League.
Pardew's men face a vital league fixture against Southampton at St James' Park on Sunday, but he is confident the troubles of the first half of the campaign can be put firmly behind them to mount a genuine challenge on the European front.
The 51-year-old said: "There's a possibility that this could still be a great season.
"If I look at my best team, I would feel confident putting my best team up against any team left in this competition.
"I've not really had that opportunity. We are a lot stronger now. Therefore if we get through this tie, we have as good a chance as anyone else."
Newcastle's lowly Premier League position is a source of mystery to Metalist boss Myron Markevich, and Pardew was also questioned about the disparity between the current season and the last one, at the end of which they sat in fifth place in the table.
It is a question he has answered many times in recent months, but he is more convinced than ever that a corner has been turned.
He said: "We have been disrupted this year with a lot of our key players missing.
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"We had a lot of things go our way last year to finish in fifth place, but it was an excellent momentum that we had gained.
"We became a side that was resilient - we haven't got that resilience this year.
"But there is a renewed belief in the squad from the introduction of the new players, particularly [Moussa] Sissoko, [Yoan] Gouffran and Mapou [Yanga-Mbiwa], who will play tomorrow.
"Therefore, our season will be determined by two things: firstly, progression in this competition and secondly, our Premier League position, which I think we can improve dramatically - hopefully."
Having drawn the first leg at St James' Park 0-0, Pardew concedes that Metalist could be regarded as slight favourites, but the fact a score draw at will send the Magpies into the draw is a cause for optimism.
He said: "We have come here to qualify. I think it is 50-50.
"The fact they did not score has given us a slight advantage but, of course, they are at home.
"Our game-plan is to score goals tomorrow."
Pardew landed in Ukraine this afternoon with the strongest possible squad available to him with only full-back Davide Santon, who is nursing a sore ankle, and midfielder Hatem Ben Arfa left behind along with the ineligible Mathieu Debuchy and Gouffran.
Frenchman Ben Arfa has been out of action for 10 weeks with a hamstring injury and, although he returned to training earlier this week after undergoing treatment at the French National Technical Centre in Clairefontaine, Pardew had no intention of risking him in Kharkiv.
He said: "It was a no-brainer really. He has only been with us for two days from Clairefontaine, who have put him in a fantastic physical condition for us.
"We are very pleased with their contribution and we thank them for that.
"It underlines the relationship we have in France, to have that faith to let Hatem do his recovery there, as we would if Yohan Cabaye or any of our senior players preferred that route. That's worked out well.
"He looks short of match-fitness, but we hope to get him up to speed perhaps for the next round, if we make it.
"Sunday might me be too early for him too, but certainly Swansea, I would be looking for him to have some sort of cameo role from the bench if he progresses well."
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Huntington City held a public hearing prior to their recent council meeting to explain and receive public comment on the city's expenditures during the Crandall Canyon mine disaster. Mayor Hilary Gordon explained each expenditure and an additional correction to the wording in the minutes concerning the money dispersed to Zions Bank for the miners families.
Mayor Gordon said she had contacted the city's attorney David Church and asked for direction with the miswording in the records. She explained the situation to him and he advised her to just change the wording, but she felt it was important to hold the public hearing and explain to the residents of Huntington.
"The funds that were coming in to Huntington City as donations to the families of the miners could not go into our accounts. It was necessary for us to take the funds to Zions Bank for deposit in a special account to be administered by the bank. Every penny that came into this office was taken to the bank and none of those funds were mingled with the city's," said Mayor Gordon. "When the time came for us to note it in the council minutes, the word donation was entered and that was the wrong word. We have reworded and made the correction to the minutes to note that it was not a donation." Mayor Gordon explained the error and apologized to the residents of Huntington for the misunderstanding.
The expenditures to be discussed were: Nielson Construction Inc. for sand and gravel for parking area at the rodeo arena-$4,721.13; Hometown Market for meals for the mine investigation meeting-$161.63; Castle Country Pumping for porta-johns for the miner's memorial concert-$870 (half of the total bill); Hometown Market for meals and food items for miner's families-$521.85; Maverik for food items-$179.75; and Family Dollar Store for a portion of the candles used at the vigil-$183.36. Several residents complained the amount spent for the sand and gravel for the rodeo grounds was an expenditure that did not need to be made. This purchase was made for the Celebration of Heroes in September. "It was the governor's party, let him pay," said one resident.
Mayor Gordon explained that Nielson Construction only charged about one-third of the actual cost. "I was reassured the Governor's office would pay this expense if it would put a hardship on Huntington. After consultation with the city treasurer, and noting the amount budgeted for emergencies, the decision was made to pay the bill from the emergency funds," said Mayor Gordon. She went on to say that the sand and gravel is still at the rodeo grounds and can be used by the city for other purposes.
Following the public hearing, the regular city council meeting was held. During that meeting, the council approved to appoint Claron Durrant and Gary Arrington to the planning commission for Huntington City.
Mayor Gordon reported the Governor's office has requested Huntington City to spearhead the project to erect a monument in honor of those who lost their lives in the Crandall Canyon mine disaster.
Representatives from the Governors office are coming to meet with the families and Huntington City to discuss the proposed monument.
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Mayor Gordon also announced the Utah Department of Transportation survey related to the stop signs is not complete yet.
Several signs have been removed on the recommendations of the survey team.
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Skip to comments.Depressing poll of the day: Public opposes cuts to virtually all types of spending
Posted on 02/23/2013 5:07:39 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Nothing new here, which is the most depressing part. Scroll halfway down the page at Pew and you'll find a table tracking shifts in public opinion on various programs over the last four years. There are noticeable jumps in support for cuts from 2009 to 2011 as America got a snoutful of Obamanomics, but we've leveled off since then — and in not a single category of the 17 tested is there 50 percent in favor of decreasing spending. In fact, in only three of those 17 categories (foreign aid, unemployment aid, and the State Department) is there more support for decreasing spending than increasing it.
The most hopeful graph at the link is one purporting to show that the public's become "more austere" because the big lead that fans of raising spending used to have over fans of cutting spending is now a bit smaller. Alternate headline: "Blogger's Friday-night drinking to start early."
As you see, apart from foreign aid, support for cuts never reaches 35 percent. Even in the case of foreign aid, you have a slight plurality in favor of at least preserving the status quo rather than cutting. There's not much hope in partisan differences either. Of the 17 categories, Democrats prefer cuts to increased spending in just two; independents in just three; and Republicans in nine — although even GOPers support increased spending for, gulp, Medicare and Social Security. I realize I'm making too much of this; when you ask people whether they want to cut a program without emphasizing countervailing considerations like deficits, obviously they're going to be reluctant. These questions at their core are really just gut checks on how valuable the public views each program or agency to be. They see comparatively little value in diplomacy, which is why foreign aid and State get low ratings, and much more in veterans' benefits. And yet, after four years of hot political rhetoric about exploding debt and a fiscal crisis on the horizon, you would think that the numbers for increasing spending, at least, would be minuscule. They're not.
By way of partially explaining why, I'll leave you with these two tweets.
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The "education" graph is the most depressing. People really for that "for the chillin" BS.
On the bright side, Ann Arbor Michigan was approved for an $800,000 grant out of transportation funds to pave a bike path. /s
Its like living in a nation full of children who were never disciplined or told "No".
These polls ask about cuts, not about freezes or slowing down growth (say, keeping at +1%).
These polls also don't ask about bringing all troops home or pumping their money into the Fed.
This is why we are not a democracy.
This is why mob rule is a bad thing.
The people elect leaders.
The leaders are supposed to lead.
The leaders are supposed to be smart enough to know that fiscal responsibility is simply mandatory.
geez...are these the same polling folks that said Romney was gaining ground and could win? Or is this the one where you first have to admit you have more than 20,000 in credit card debt to qualify.
Watch the GOPES in the senate eat this up with Rove's RINOS using this as tap city from funders. Republicans should not let these "polls" divert the drive to attack regime administration policy the counter attack should be waste and corruption.
I listened to the Peter Schiff show the other day and he made a good point that in all these polls people will always approve of raising someone elses taxes but he suggested the question be framed like should the Federal government raise YOUR taxes to pay for all this government? the taxes that YOU pay? And he said I bet they say NO!
His point was that even if you took all the "rich's" money there is not enough to pay for all this government and that the burden always falls on those further down.
I think it's plausible, maybe even rock-solid.
The overwhelming majority of Americans agree government spends too much money, but can't pin down where they'd like to see cuts. There's a disconnect, a failure of logic.
No one, including Congress, wants to make the hard choices that must be made if we are to avoid fiscal ruin. And why should they? They pay a higher price politically for being responsible than they do for being reckless.
Our fate is sealed.
I'm reasonably certain that one could find majority support in polls for: (a) slowing the rate of growth of spending in xyz; (b) putting major entitlements on a sustainable basis; (c) allowing people to create a real investment option with ownership rights and inheritability in Social Security; (d) putting people and their doctors, not bureaucrats, in charge of health care decisions; etc.
The poll cited here simply shows that people want basic social services, including a reasonable safety net. Well heck, so do I. The issue is whether we believe that big, government controlled, collectivist solutions are the most cost effective and workable. I don't believe that, and neither do most here. And neither, I think, does a majority of the American people, provided that the question is framed correctly.
I'm reasonably certain that one could find majority support in polls for: (a) slowing the rate of growth of spending in xyz; (b) putting major entitlements on a sustainable basis; (c) allowing people to create a real investment option with ownership rights and inheritability in Social Security; (d) putting people and their doctors, not bureaucrats, in charge of health care decisions; etc.
The poll cited here simply shows that people want basic social services, including a reasonable safety net. Well heck, so do I. The issue is whether we believe that big, government controlled, collectivist solutions are the most cost effective and workable. I don't believe that, and neither do most here. And neither, I think, does a majority of the American people, provided that the question is framed correctly.
Since when have we paid attention to left wing push polls? Ones designed, not to tell us what is actually going on, but to intimidate the wobbly RINOs?
stupid republicans AND Rove's RINO's...they should be running advertising -"WE already raised taxes on people and now the President says that is not enough...soon he want to tax you too!!" but they just play silly games about guns or immigrants and NEVER GET OR HOLD THE HIGH GROUND. How do you win the war staying on the beach? Storm the cliffs, attack!!
The only thing this poll shows is people didn't want to show their ignorance of the issue so they said keep it the same.
This is a PEW poll. Do not accept it.
The only way budget cuts can be effectively polled, due to their complexity, is by making them a freeware software game, of sorts.
That is, the national budget is as complex as are some of the major strategy games. Importantly, when enough people would "play the game", potentially useful patterns would emerge as how to economize.
The game could even be played as a MMOG, with virtual rewards given for effective play without violating parameters.
Of course, many players would focus on just their area of interest, like some naive teenager would decide to cut the entire defense budget. So consequences would also be part of the game.
Much of the federal government continues to exist solely out of inertia, and the game players would quickly pick up on this and point out the blindingly obvious. For example, the Railroad Retirement Board (created in 1935, current budget $6.95b), has zero reason to exist as an independent agency. By folding it into a similar federal retirement agency, might save half of that expense.
Politicians of both parties will raise the issue of the deficit, and then immediately start talking about "fraud, waste, and abuse." That's a bait and switch. By all means, let's do a better job of policing fraud, but this is incidental to the deficit problem.
The democrats compound this by carrying on as if we could solve the problem with higher taxes on a handful of rich people and big companies, "who are not paying their fair share." This is also a fraud.
But as a practical matter, people get a steady barrage of misinformation suggesting that there is an easy out, if only a couple of simple and relatively painless things were done. And since they are led to believe that the solution is simple and painless, they are naturally not inclined to eat their vegetables on spending reform. They are also extremely frustrated that the purportedly simple and easy things haven't already been done. The default explanation for that is the evil character of the opposition party, and so we're off to the races on character assassination.
The democrats are by far the greatest offenders here, as they lie instinctively and think class warfare is an end in itself, but Republican hands aren't entirely clean either.
RE: geez...are these the same polling folks that said Romney was gaining ground and could win?
This Poll is from PEW RESEARCH. They were pretty accurate in predicting Obama's victory last year.
It was ironically, the conservative leaning polls that were off in 2012 (Rasmussen, Gallup, even Michael Barone, and of course, Dick Morris ).
I am tired of looking at polls and more than tired of politicians who use them as a voting guide. Perhaps if we had firm term limits that would not be the case. I can just imagine the question here: Do you favor budget cuts if those cuts meant a reduction in your police and fire protection, a decrease in our military, less social security then you now get, double class sizes...on and on.
A question like do you favor cuts in spending if no cuts meant you will get no benefits in ten years.
This does not surprise me in the least. That's why "wise" politicians run on cutting "fraud and waste". That's about as specific as they get.
They should have asked which items they would be willing to have their taxes increased to remain the same?
Really? So Obama signed these spending cuts into law AGAINST THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE??
This occupant of the Oval Office has a penchant for shoving his proposals down our throats, doesn't he?
BTW, I bet different results would be achieved if the questions were asked with a modicum of balance.....
I would also be curious to see the demographics of this survey.
And that's the problem with the way these polls are worded. No one wants to see our nation's highways and bridges in dangerous disrepair, but bundled into "Transportation" are such luxuries as the $800,000 bike path you cited. Unfortunately, we don't appear to have any adults in Washington who are able to trim their spending of OUR MONEY by distinguishing between necessities and luxuries.
Our once-great country is being overrun by overgrown, free-spending children who have no idea how to set a budget and be fiscally responsible - in and out of Washington.
That would be the 60s generation. They are now running the country.
The Compromise of 1986 (bet they don't teach THAT in school) has failed, decisively.
As with 1850, the result is the extension of slavery to all the states, or war.
Jarvis, Gann, and Stockman were wrong, because they did not envision that the power of Congress to borrow money and send the resulting money to the States, circumventing the gold and silver clause and the prohibition of State paper money would be so abused.
As with 1820 and 1850, the war has been delayed, but the issue is fundamental, and will now have to be settled, one way or another.
When the economy finally collapses under its own weight, these "don't cut anything" folks will be crying for their taxpayer-provided benefits to be restored.
I suspect those of us preparing right now will have the last laugh.
Tell me that this poll wasn't taken in downtown Detroit or Washington DC, or St. Louis or Philadelphia, etc.
Once you give something to these "takers", they will scream bloody murder if you even try to take anything from them. Same goes for the unions. Look what happened in Wisconsin.
"Free stuff" will always be free for most people. The rich — who will always be in the minority, by definition — will fund the cushy life of the majority.
The low-information majority, educated in public schools and not taught values of faith and sacrifice by their parent(s) — will never understand.
The only thing a poll like this tells is the bias of the group that paid for it.
Real problem is that it seems everyone wants cuts for the other guys...but not for themselves
Most folks want reduction in foreign aid...yet we still give away $$$ to foreign nations like candy to a sweet tooth....whether it is direct aid or bad Free Trade deals.
I would also prefer to end all foreign aid instead of cutting veterans benefits....but both parties seem to prefer Globalism over Americanism
It doesn't matter whether the public supports or opposes it. The math doesn't work. The money isn't there.
As long as we have childishly decided to ignore polls that tell us things we don't want to believe.
What makes this more depressing is that foreign aid and the State Department are the most microscopic spending items on the poll; we could totally eliminate both and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference for the deficit.
What is really hilarious are the polls that ask people to estimate what portion of the budget is foreign aid - you end up with ridiculous 25% estimates when it's actually 1%.
I look at it this way. Only 20 second soundbite, low information Gangham style "voters" are dumb enough to answer the phone when these annoying pollsters call. Caller I.D. is our friend.
I wonder what the results would look like if the poll had explained baseline budgeting and asked whether spending levels should be held at current levels or allowed to automatically increase.
Opposing "cuts" might really mean opposing decreasing spending from current levels (the meaning of "cuts" in English), while a respondent might well be in favor of keeping spending at current levels, which in Newspeak is called "supporting draconian cuts to Federal programs which will harm the poor and throw teachers and first-responders out of work". In fact, only veterans benefits (Federal spending on which is supported by patriots) garnered majority support for increase, while education (Federal spending on which is supported by fools) pulled 50% support for increases.
The poll is depressing only in that we know the Washington usage that not increasing a the forecast rate by the OMB is called a "cut" (or even a "draconian cut which will. . .") and the demagogues of the left and the go-along-to-get-along faction of the GOP will deceive the unwary by calling it that when the voter in question might very well support fixing spending at current levels for the next decade, but would register opposition to "cuts" — with two exceptions, both of which are small budget items compared with entitlements and defense spending, the poll found majority support for "same" or "cut".
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As predicted, Typhoon Bopha made landfall on the Philippine island of Mindanao overnight December 3–4, 2012. Known in the Philippines as Pablo, the storm was blamed for 43 deaths and 25 injuries as of December 4, according to the Philippine Daily Inquirer.
The Visible Infrared Imaging Radiometer Suite (VIIRS) on the Suomi NPP satellite acquired this image around 1:12 a.m. local time on December 4 (17:12 UTC on December 3). This image is from the VIIRS "day-night band," which detects light in a range of wavelengths from green to near-infrared and uses filtering techniques to observe signals such as gas flares, auroras, wildfires, city lights, and reflected moonlight.
Bopha remained a powerful typhoon as it made landfall on Mindanao, retaining a distinct eye and spiral shape as storm clouds stretched over the eastern part of the island. Unisys Weather reported that Bopha carried super-typhoon strength at the time it was coming ashore. William Straka, associate researcher at the Cooperative Institute for Meteorological Satellite Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, estimated that the storm spanned at least 1,677 kilometers (1,042 miles).
Bopha lost some strength after making landfall. On December 4 (late in the evening in the Philippines), the U.S. Navy's Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) reported that the storm had maximum sustained winds of 95 knots (175 kilometers per hour) and gusts up to 115 knots (215 kilometers per hour)—still a fierce storm, but weakened since the previous day. The JTWC projected storm track showed Bopha continuing its movement toward the west-northwest, passing over the southern Philippines toward the South China Sea.
- Erdman, J. (2012, December 4) Typhoon Bopha hammers Philippines. The Weather Channel. Accessed December 4, 2012.
- Joint Typhoon Warning Center. Accessed December 4, 2012.
- Mangosing, F. (2012, December 4) 43 dead, 25 inured in Compostela Valley as "Pablo" sweeps Mindanao. Philippine Daily Inquirer. Accessed December 4, 2012.
- Unisys Weather. (2012, December 4) Bopha Tracking Information. Accessed December 4, 2012.
NASA Earth Observatory image by Jesse Allen, using VIIRS day-night band data from the Suomi National Polar-orbiting Partnership. Suomi NPP is the result of a partnership between NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the Department of Defense. Caption by Michon Scott.
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