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Skip to comments.Romney Loss - Evangelicals "Again" Stayed Home
Posted on 11/07/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Many of us could not imagine that Romney could lose this election, especially after four years of Obamas radical Marxism and its social and fiscal consequences that America will NEVER recover from. All the hype and all the Romney rallies; it indeed looked like a sure victory for Romney except for one equation, the Evangelical vote. We here at the IFB have talked back and forth among ourselves since the RNC convention and with others also in the know; that if the Evangelical vote did not show up on Nov. 6th the jig would be up and Romney would lose big and indeed he has.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way.
Remember, the GOP and Romney gave NO place to the Evangelical vote at the RNC convention. They outright snubbed us and that act rubbed Evangelicals the wrong way. The Evangelical vote consists of the TRUE social and moral conservatives of the party (i.e., the Right). Romney and the GOP also gave very little time to the Tea Party who is the heart of the grass root movement and the engine of the Party! The viewer ratings for the 2012 RNC convention were way down, some 40% and many of us- including myself - did not watch one lick of it. Why should we have? We knew what we were getting and many of us felt dissd being left out as we were. That in its self should have set off warning bells to the RNC but in all honesty many of us who are Evangelicals were still going to vote for Romney holding our nose. It is our duty as Believers and an Americans to be salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and even though Romney was who he was; he was the better choice still and the lesser of the two evils for our nation. We were not going to trust in a Romney win but that a Romney win would slow down the final deterioration of our nation.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth and many have NOT forgotten it. Evangelicals felt betrayed and many did not vote for McCain in 2008 which gave Marxist Obama the victory. When you add the convention snub of Romney and the GOP that was the straw that broke the elephants back.
Many Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000 and in 2004 felt betrayed by his agreeing with and passing many of the Marxist policies of the progressive Left. To this day it still has left a bad taste in our mouth.
Now we come to today, the day after the election and we once more again see that the Evangelical vote has stayed home; and in doing so have given Obama another four years to finish the job of transforming our nation and fundamentally changing our culture and way of life which includes the elimination of sound biblical Christianity. I know I am going to get a ton of hate mail for this statement, but SHAME ON YOU for sitting home and not choosing to be light and exercising your God given right to vote (Matt. 5:13-16)! I know all sides of this argument and there is still absolutely NO excuse (Matt. 5:13-16). Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel. My friends, indeed the Day of the Lord is at hand, but WOE to any who seek to bring it about who call on the Name of Jesus Christ by being idol and slothful.This is NOT a sanctification matter and God will hold you accountable for hiding your light and voice.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us.
In the end, this 2012 election has revealed without a shadow of a doubt that the Evangelical element has lost its salt and light (Matt. 5:13-16) and that America has absolutely no problem in FULL LIGHT re-electing a radical progressive secular Marxists to reign over us. I think of Samuel when all of Israel wanted a king and not the Lord (1 Sam. 8). It broke his heart and rightly so! He knew what was coming. Thus America in this election has said quite loudly that we DO NOT want the God given freedom to exercise what our Founding Fathers envisioned, which was based on the Laws of Nature and of Natures God. In doing so we have REJECTED the Judeo/ Christian values and ideals which once made this country great. We have now as a nation fully taken on the mantle of Lawlessness and the spirit of Anti Christ as our nations ideology and culture.
Indeed, we as Evangelicals will now see what we must surely endure under lawless administration of Barack H. Obama and many Evangelicasl will be sifted and found wanting. That there... you can take to the bank!
The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
I believe there was huge anti-Morman voting throughout this election.
Well gee, my candidate didn't win or do as I wanted so I'm going to stay home and pout!
No matter the damage to the country.
In my view, that is outright sin...and you can that THAT to the bank.
Ummm...I'm an Evangelical and I didn't stay home. I voted, but I voted for a Conservative Christian - Virgil Goode (who was on my ballot not a write in) rather than vote for either Obama or Romney. I know several other Evangelicals who did the same.
Of all my Evangelical friends I only have ONE who stayed home and she lives in Utah so figured there was no point.
Sure, blame the Christians again. I know hundreds of evangelicals who could not wait to vote for Romney and against Obama.
Our pastor voiced concern about Romney making mormonism more mainstream.
Funny, he didn't care when 80% of the congregation voted for Obama and his Black Liberation Theology and muslim leanings.
Voter turnout was very high in R areas and very low in D areas. The numbers make no sense.
Once again, the "I'm taking my toys and going home" crowd...
just like my kids when they were 4 years old...
I knew many who stayed home. knuckle heads a lot of them miss it.
Your self righteous pride, biblical ignorance and foolishness has open wide the door now for Christian persecution in our nation and the end of the freedoms we have for the furtherance of the Gospel.
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One other point, Romney would have done just as much to persecute Christians since he hates Evangelicals just as much (been there done that).
And the Gospel will not be thwarted, just as it wasn't during the early church and the Roman persecutions.
Romney did not shore up his base. But it was more than evangelicals because if they stayed home 4 years ago than who stayed home this time?
Vote totals:
OBama 69,297,997
McCain: 59,597,520
Obama: 54,773,837
Romney 53,716,689
Looks like a whole lot of voters stayed home.
If this article is true, it was the Mormon hating that did us in.
My pastor got up the Sunday before the election day and did a sermon on how Mormanism is a cult. I am leaving this church as I think electing a Muslim is a worse sin. I was appalled
2 Tim 2:3-4 -
3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer.
I refuse to compromise my CHRISTIAN FAITH and vote for Romney. I am beholden to my Commanding Officer - Jesus Christ alone.
How was Romney who is also not a Christian the to hold up Christian values?
I don't think that an evangelical should feel that this loss was upon his shoulders. The GOP was not courting conservative votes in this election. They were courting independents with a left center policy, not knowing that there was already a candidate running with a far left policy that everyone already knew about.
We as a nation got what we deserve. The GOP just happened to really get what they deserved. I wonder whose "turn" it is next time.
Obama thanks you for your vote, comrade.
The GOP-e thinks Evangelicals are dumb hicks, but they surely can't win when even a fraction of that base stays home. Perhaps they should reconsider making Evangelicals sit at the back of the bus and then expecting them to show up at the polls.
Yes, Rove, Krauthammer and Barone, I mean you.
Electoral fraud.
children will be murdered, women raped, towns destroyed, perhaps widespread famine, riots, Israel destroyed, and then please go tell God you did it in HIS name?.......
you will be judged and not pleasantly, for your arrogance and your fake self righteousness....
Hey, did any of you guys stay home??
Likely, he would have been unhappy about a Catholic candidate as well.
"I voted for a Conservative Christian - Virgil Goode....rather than vote for either Obama or Romney. I know several other Evangelicals who did the same."br>
Brilliant! You have believed the lies of Satan - and blew our last chnace of turning this nation around - we will not make it to 2016.br>
I'm an Evangelical and know the Bible inside and out - do you not think that God could use an unbeliever like Mitt Romney to do His work here? If that is what you think then YOU don't know your Bible and shame on you.
Give me a choice between a Mormon and a Muslim and, all other things being the same, I'll take the Mormon any day. They do less beheading of Christians.
I'm disgusted with my "Christian" friends who put their government "god" over everything else and voted for a guy who supports robbery (involuntary redistribution of one person's wealth to another person) and murder (abortion, infanticide, murder by betrayal ala Chris Stevens, Tyrone Woods, etc in Benghazi, political murders, etc), and is already known to have committed both perjury and fraud just to get on the ballots (according to the Hawaii state registrar's legal responses). The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy, and it sounds to me like Obama's resume fits that bill - yet supposed "Christians" supported him in even with all those acts clearly known.
The salt is fit to be trampled under, and Obama's Islamist friends (that he's been arming...) will be more than happy to do the honors for him. We reap what we sow.
Evangelicals stayed home........my ass. What a load. Anyone for a scapegoat, eh?
No...this was a purely racial thing...
More then half our congregation is black, as is he...
This was an excuse to cover up his own racism.
post #16-— you are 110% correct .
Gee, thanks.
I don't believe any of the reasons we are being fed. I believe Romney won the election. Votes were electronically transferred to Obama. 2008 was a coup.
The problem is that most Christians find the fundamental evil of the left/liberals very attractive.Fundamentally the left is about the redistributionist welfare state. What is the sins of envy, jealousy, covetousness, theft and state idolatry is seen as love, light, charity and goodness. Until we quit focusing on peripherals like abortion and marriage and address what the Dems are really about we will lose the Christian vote. Or not get a large enough share. They say sure abortion is bad but so is not taking away the golden talents from the man who has five and giving them to those who have fewer.
It is not a trade off. We'll accept abortion because they are giants of charity and love. NO! The Dems are both baby killers and raging with costing other people's wealth. The Dems are for same-sex marriage and idolaters of the state. If people should look to the government to meet their needs and solve their problems, then they worship government as god.
There is no worse offender than the Catholic bishops. They are very big proponents of the envy/jealousy/covetous/theft state. They provide enormous support and votes for Dems while the so forcefully take a stand against abortion.
The Dems are not sin plus virtue but evil compounded by evil.
"Perhaps they should reconsider making Evangelicals sit at the back of the bus and then expecting them to show up at the polls."
Tell me this sad story 4 years from now when Obamacare is fully instituted, electricity and gas prices are higher, when the Supreme Court upholds gay marriage.
Yeah tell me how great the Evangelicals are then.
The only faint silver lining in this whole fiasco is that RINOism, fake conservatism, was repudiated. Would that the GOP could learn.
Well, probably there is no reason the marriage of various factions in the GOP to keep going. Perhaps, with many small parties, one of them can take the Democrats in 2052.
"Im an Evangelical and know the Bible inside and out - do you not think that God could use an unbeliever like Mitt Romney to do His work here? If that is what you think then YOU dont know your Bible and shame on you."
And Obama is a believer?
Whatever ... all the anecdotal reports yesterday ... call ins to talk shows ... indicated HUGE asnti-obama .. pro conservative (not necesarilly pro Romney) turnout.
"Jim, I'm here at ______ and it's 8AM and the line is HUGE ... I've never seen this beforte! We all have a jovial get rid of obama attitude"
All day yesterday ...
My tin foil's on .. and it doesn't make a bgit of difference.
I am more angry now than ever ... not because zero is back in for four more years, but that what I thought was complacency (he never showed up for any debate, IMO), and all that rumor about the Hawaiian mansion ... we have been SO snookered.
Or perhaps a lot of Republican votes are "missing". Could it be that the real fraud was not dead voting, duplicate voting, or illegal voting, but instead reducing Romney votes through lost ballots, broken voting machines, and voter intimidation?
Obama thanks you...
Stupid is as stupid does...but I'm being redundant.
Were early votes for Republicans disposed of? Were machines front-loaded with thousands of democrat votes?
Run a RINO and conservatives stayed home...
Gee, who coulda foreseen that one?
Also—look at the races further down the ticket.
One example—the NC governor R candidate ran four points ahead of Romney. Why?
Aside from the fraudsters, they are the reason Obama won the first time, they are the reason last night came out the way it did, and will be the first to wail and demand other people pay for their stupidity.
Blaming anyone else is ridiculous, unless you thing the circular firing squad needs to be called out yet again to further fractionate the Conservatives who endure.
"And Obama is a believer?"br>
No - but he is obviously being used as a tool by Satan - not that anyone is ever out of the reach of God - unless they want to be - and Obama has sold his soul - witness his unashamed embrace of the slaughter of babies.br>
THAT is what the Roney-haters have given us.
I would never stay home. There are too many important local elections.
Get a grip...Goode voters had no effect on the election. Had they voted for Romney; Mitt still would have lost.
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Treasures of Turkey, October 2016
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OurTreasures of Turkey trip was fabulous. It included a good mix of local culture and ancient sites. On the first day our guide, Ozan, asked us what we were particularly interested in. As the whole group expressed an interest in trying the local foods, in most towns he took us to local restaurants to try the regions speciality foods - loved the Canakkale cheesecake, not so sure about the tripe soup! His knowledge of the history and the sites visited was superb, and to this he added some entertaining anecdotes. I would strongly recommend this trip to anyone who wants to understand Turkey as a country, past and present.
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The tour provided a good balanced itinerary and our guide ensured that we all had a relaxed and memorable holiday.
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Unfortunately, visas for Turkey are no longer available on arrival. If you're travelling from a country that requires a visa, you'll have to obtain an e-visa in advance. Please visit https://www.evisa.gov.tr/en/ for all the information required about how to obtain an e-visa.Please make sure your passport has validity for at least 60 days beyond the expiry date of your visa or residency permit.
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Tipping isn't expected in Turkey, but a small amount will no doubt be appreciated by people in any service industry. It's also common to tip staff while visiting hamams. It's not usually required to tip taxi drivers, but rounding up the fare to the nearest dollar is pretty common.
While internet cafes and wi-fi are common in most major cities, internet may be less available on your Turkey tour in rural and remote areas.
Turkey has good mobile phone coverage by and large, especially in larger cities like Istanbul. Coverage may be patchier in more remote areas. If you wish to use your mobile, ensure you have activated global roaming on your phone (but be aware this carries extra data charges).
You'll have to make some small adjustments in Turkey in regards to hygiene and sanitation. While flush toilets are widely available in the cities, drop toilets are often used in more rural areas. Bring some hand sanitiser with you as a precaution.
- Beer in a bar = 5-10 TRY
- Simple lunch = 10-20 TRY
- Hamam visit = 25-30 TRY
- Restaurant dinner = 30-50 TRY
We don't recommend drinking the tap water in Turkey, but for environmental reasons try to avoid buying bottled water either. Instead, fill a reuseable canteen or water bottle with filtered water. Your leader can help you find some, or there are a number of portable water filters you can carry with you. We'd also recommend steering clear of iced drinks, and peeling your fruit before eating it.
Credit cards are a common form of payment in Turkey, and you shouldn't have too much trouble in the major cities and tourist areas. However, smaller vendors may often only take cash, particularly in the more rural regions. Make sure you carry enough cash for general purchases, just in case.
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Yes. All Peregrine passengers are required to purchase travel insurance prior to their Turkey tour. Your insurance details will be recorded by your leader on the first day.
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Allerton Park & Retreat Center
Allerton Park was the private estate of Robert Henry Allerton, who donated it to the University of Illinois in 1946. It features 1,500 acres of woodlands, formal gardens and more than 100 sculptures. The park is open to the public for hiking, picnicking, cross-country skiing and leisurely garden strolls.
Located in the heart of Illinois' Amish country, The Great Pumpkin Patch is a working farm that features beautiful gardens, including a spectacular collection of more than 5,000 mums, and offers its heirloom seeds for sale. Known for its more than 300 varieties of rare pumpkins, squash and gourds from around the globe that are grown right on the farm and displayed in its Great Pumpkin Patch from mid-September through October 31 every year. The on-site Homestead Bakery sells made-from-scratch goodies such as pies and angel food cake during spring, summer and fall.
This zoo overlooking Lake Decatur is home to animals from around the world, the Z.O.&O. Express train, the Endangered Species Carousel and the Zootique Gift Shop. Family events and activities are offered regularly.
The state's largest artificial body of water, Lake Decatur spans 2,800 acres, with 30 miles of shoreline offering recreational opportunities and wildlife vistas at lakeside parks and the city marina. Water sports include boating, fishing, sailing and jet skiing. While shoreline locations surrounding Nelson Park Marina offer miniature golf, dining, public gardens and picnic facilities.
Scovill House & Oriental Gardens
Serenity envelopes this intimate area, where visitors are welcomed by a Chinese Fu dog and flowering dogwoods, star magnolia, Japanese lilac, and rhododendron -- foliage native to the Orient. Originally commissioned by Guy and Rose Scovill in the 1920's and reconstructed in the 1980's, the gardens' soothing nature encompasses a small reflective point, sod bridge, and oriental sculptures, and surrounds a small cottage, which is available for gatherings and retreats.
In operation since 1850, the farm features a blacksmith shop and Clydesdale horses. Chuck wagon cookouts are available.
Shady Crest Orchard and Farm Market
Come visit this working Amish farm and apple orchard. They have a variety of fresh fruits and vegetables for sale, plus fresh honey, apple butter and maple syrup. A Deli filled with 15 different Country-Cured Meats & 24 different Cheeses is also available Monday - Saturday. While you're there, enjoy a hand-dipped ice cream cone. You can also find Fresh Baked Goods every Thursday - Saturday. Open year round.
Anna Bethel Fisher Rock Garden
Created in 1927 from an old sand pit across the road from Lake Decatur, the city's oldest garden was extensively renovated in 1992. Its resurrected look features secluded paths leading through rocky terraces planted with unusual trees, and landscapes brimming with colorful perennials. Towering bald Cypress trees, planted in the 1920s, still reign over these delightful grounds.
Spanning six rolling acres on bluffs overlooking the Sangamon River Walk, Mari-Mann Herb Farm is a potpourri of herb beds, wildflower fields and formal gardens.
No trip to Scovill Zoo would be complete without a visit to Project Playground II, a community-built, ADA-accessible playground in Scovill Park. This exciting play place includes a rock wall with fossils, hands-on music station, lots of slides, and a smooth rubber surface so kids of all ability levels can swing, slide, climb and play.
Bursting with seasonal exhibits, our brightest newcomer nurtures flowering trees and scrubs such as weeping Japanese cherry, mock orange, forsythia, fragrant bulbs, and delightfully colored pansies. A perennial garden joins the array this summer, and the spring exhibit opens mid-March.
Open year-round and offering annual and perennial flowers, mums, fall decor, pumpkins, squash, and fall treats. Known also for the 7 acre corn maze, haunted maze and mind twisted maze. School tours and groups welcome. Christmas trees and wreaths offered in winter months.
Rock Springs Center for Environmental Discovery
Rock Springs Center is the largest park in the Macon County Conservation District properties with a total of 1,343 acres in the southwest area of Decatur, IL. The Sangamon River runs through Rock Springs and several small ponds dot the landscape. A wide range of terrain including forest, wetland, grassland, and restored Illinois prairie make Rock Springs a destination for nature lovers. Rock Springs is also home to a large nature center, a museum, a restored farmhouse, nearly nine miles of hiking trails, and a paved bike trail. Rock Springs is a favorite for families all year round. Rooms and pavilions are available for rent for meetings and events.
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This is the site of Abraham Lincoln's first Illinois home. Bisected by the Sangamon River, the site also features picnicking and hiking.
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Shelbyville State Fish and Wildlife Area
A 6,400-acre wildlife area on the north end of Lake Shelbyville. Hunting for waterfowl, forest and upland game is popular. Boat access is provided to accommodate anglers and hunters.
This campground has 81 campsites, most of which are shaded.
In addition to 39 neighborhood and community parks, our green spaces boast bike trails, picnic and camping facilities, gardens, golf courses, playgrounds, tennis courts, baseball diamonds, and swimming pools.
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Most of the campsites in this 82 site campground are shaded. Located on Lake Shelbyville, beach nearby.
A favorite of walkers and hikers, this park offers year-round camping and scenic hiking trails, many of them hugging Lake Shelbyville, Eagle Creek has 163 vehicular campsites, with 148 of those being Class A sites with electricity, picnic tables, and showers. There are 56 sites available by reservations made at least 2 weeks in advance by mail.
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Our green spaces boast bike and walking trails, picnic and camping facilities, and gardens.
Check out the store and bakery, where you can buy apples, peaches, cider, jams, jellies and apple butter. A playground and picnic area is available. An apple festival is held over Columbus Day weekend.
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Skip to comments.Wall Street whoops as Mexico leftist faces defeat(Reuters bitterness on display)
Posted on 07/03/2006 3:29:53 PM PDT by Dane
Wall Street whoops as Mexico leftist faces defeat
By Greg Brosnan
MEXICO CITY, July 3 (Reuters) - Wall Street on Monday cheered the apparent defeat of a Mexican leftist presidential candidate whose spending promises raised debt fears, but a looming vote dispute and a longer-term political crisis may ruin the party.
Conservative candidate Felipe Calderon declared victory on Monday after Sunday's hotly contested election, and official returns appeared to show that leftist favorite Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador could not catch him.
"The market thought that Lopez Obrador was going to win," said Benito Berber, an economist at HSBC Securities. "Suddenly we're in a position where it seems that Calderon is going to be the next president."
Lopez Obrador had wooed many of Mexico's poor with handouts to the elderly, disabled and single mothers while mayor of Mexico City, and promised a greater state role in the economy.
Ruling party candidate Calderon, however, wants to continue the free-market policies of President Vicente Fox.
Investors had grudgingly priced in a Lopez Obrador win based on polls ahead of Sunday's vote, and Mexico's currency, bond prices and stocks all rallied on Monday as authorities showed Calderon ahead with most almost all votes counted.
The stock market soared 4.77 percent on Monday, its second-biggest one-day gain this year, and the peso strengthened 1.8 percent.
But with Lopez Obrador expected to contest a final result that will not come until at least Wednesday and little clue as to how millions of his poor supporters will react to having their hopes dashed, market euphoria could be short-lived.
"The fact that Calderon is now the most likely winner is a positive for the market," said Alberto Bernal, an economist at Bear Stearns. "The bad news is that the election will be contested, I have absolutely no doubt about it."
"(Wall Street's celebrations) definitely could be short-lived, bad news could come at any point," he said. "The risk remains of strikes, disruption to economic activity and violence."
Electoral authorities said late on Sunday that the contest was too close for the result to be based on a quick count. But both candidates claimed victory on television, a move seen exacerbating tensions that could lead to market volatility.
"We see these hasty declarations as a potential risk that the election could be disputed in the electoral court or, in the worst case scenario, on the streets." Goldman Sachs said in a research report.
Lopez Obrador can challenge the final result in Mexico's electoral court, a process that could leave markets in limbo for several weeks, although most analysts say his party would need to present concrete evidence of vote fraud to do so.
The election was Mexico's first since Fox broke the Institutional Revolutionary Party's 71-year hold on power in 2000, but some say the country's democracy is mature enough to sidestep chaos.
"There'll be someone breaking a window, there'll be someone yelling and screaming in front of the TV cameras," Joydeep Mukherji, sovereign ratings director at Standard & Poor's rating agency, said, arguing that serious civil unrest was unlikely.
"This is not a new democracy that came out of dictatorship yesterday," he said. "We're dealing here with a political leadership which although very divided, is very mature at the end of the day. They do negotiate things."
While Fox has been praised for maintaining economic stability, a deadlock in Congress has stopped him passing structural reforms economists say are vital.
While the National Action Party appeared to have increased its share of Congress on Sunday, so did Lopez Obrador's party and Calderon looks likely to inherit the same stalemate.
"The nature of this victory being so close means that there's greater uncertainty over the medium term about the ability to come to agreements on these issues that are really important for Mexico," said Mukherji. "I think that will be a sobering thought to the market."
His story submission to Reuters was clearly wet with tears.
"We see these hasty declarations as a potential risk that the election could be disputed in the electoral court or, in the worst case scenario, on the streets."
I see they are taking lessons from the Democratic Party.
Is this just like the *Crintons getting impeached for perjury?
By 10:00 central time last night, Calderon was 70 bid on tradesports (implying his later win, which would in turn imply MXN rising vs USD), but the Globex CME Peso contract was still at that time down almost 9 ticks (0.0875 if you're a trader).
"potential risk that the election could be disputed in the electoral court or, in the worst case scenario, on the streets."
Typical international leftist thuggery talk. Yeh..that includes you too DimRats.....purveyors of fraudulent votes.
Calderon, el gran ladron.
Hey, I made a little rhyme.
Somehow I doubt that Jimmy Carter is going to certify that an election in which the leftist lost was fairly conducted. Maybe the UN should investigate? / sarc
LOL! Some others are crying, IMO, and that would be the tancredo/buchanan political family.
A PAN elected Mexico(PAN made great gains in the Mexican Senate election) is the tancredo/buchanan worst nightmare.
A stable and freemarket oriented Mexico, IMO, means one less bogeyman for the tancredo/buchanan family to count on for money.
I hope nobody thinks that George Soros and Hillery are above organizing something like that for election night in 2008... national eruptions of riots and calls of "election theft"
It ain't time to pop the corks on any bottles. The FAT LADY has not yet begun to sing. Wait, cautiously and see if the other candidate accepts the results, otherwise, it may spill on to the streets, kind of like Hugo Chavez led massive protests and got his power....
The headline of an earlier Reuters story today was even better. "Conservative creeps to victory in Mexico". Somehow if the leftist had been gaining, he would have been surging, not creeping. They also had another headline up that they just changed as I was watching. It said "Mexican standoff leaves markets on edge" and was changed to "Mexican vote standoff leaves markets on edge".....guess someone pointed out the bit of politically incorrectness in the first version.
Fox was PAN and he was for open borders
Will Olberman be leading the charge about Ohio voters were disenfranchised in Mexico?
If Obrador were winning by this margin it would be called a landslide-mandate
I just saw Buchanan on C-SPAN saying that John Edwards had it right when he said we had "Two Americas." Tom Daschle was up next and seemed to echo Buchanan's sentiments.
Well pat buchanan has to give, how should I say this, literal political fellatio, to his liberal boss at MSNBC so that he can keep his 6 figure salary to be the Bush bashing "conservative" on MSNBC.
So if the Canadians went right and Mexico went right, on the average then we are going right next.
Well, Reuters can't win them all. However, there's still hope for them, since Jimmy Carter hasn't certified the results.
Apparently macho brown faded to chicken yellow as illegal aliens reportedly avoided going into Mexico just to vote because of fear that they might be unable to re-invade the US.
The financial always reacts negatively when leftists win top government posts in Canada and in the U. S. Let Demos win the White House and Wall Street immediately drops points like rain.
Does that tell us anything?
A good example of this was how the market went up and down based on whether Bush won a court ruling or Gore did during that fiasco in Florida.
. . . which is a great deal like the way that Mussolini got his power. And we saw how that came out!
"The stock market soared 4.77 percent on Monday, its second-biggest one-day gain this year, and the peso strengthened 1.8 percent. "
Are they talking about the Dow Jones? Certainly I would have noticed a 500 point jump. They must mean the mexican market, in any case sloppy reporting.
After about a week of this, it got to be pretty funny, and especially so because the press didn't mention it.
Mexico HAS been relatively stable and freemarket for a long time. The problem has been that Mexico is ALWAYS compared to the U.S. and that is unfair.
Mexico is 10,000 times better today than it was 100 years ago, for everyone. But it will never catch up to the gringos and it is grossly unfair to continue to compare them with us.
Mexico IS considered the "giant" of the north, as their southern neighbors experience coup d'etats with regularity. Mexico's peso is considered far more stable than the garbage money of their southern neighbors.
So, when I bad-mouth Mexico it is with the FULL knowledge of all this. They are INFINITELY better off, more stable and more reliable than almost all of their southern neighbors. They ARE our amigos as much as they can be.
However, PAN and PRI are made, imho, from the same cloth: the corrupt cloth that is the Mexican culture. I don't think Mexico CAN produce much else from the same pool of people. They improve over the decades but their Presidente, no matter who he is, will, for now at least, be the BIGGEST ladron in all of Mexico, PRIista or PANista. [I made up those words just now.:o)]
I did live in Mexico City for 2 years and traveled extensively throughout the Republic....and spend the two years getting to know my extensive family of 40+ relatives. They, and friends I made there, are the ones who helped me form my opinion of Mexican politics. They might be dead wrong, but I kind of doubt it.
So true.
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The Eldorado girls' basketball team lost their season opener Thursday night, falling to Goreville 64-48.
Goreville jumped out to a 19-9 lead and took a 36-25 lead at halftime. The Eagles were able to outscore Goreville 12-7 in the third quarter, but the Blackcats went on to outscore EHS 21-11 in the final eight minutes of play.
The Eagles were led by Ashton Unthank's 17 points and seven rebounds. Taylor Godley and Kourtney Phillips each scored 10 points, while Goodley grabbed six rebounds and Phillips came away with three steals. Erica Graczyk chipped in with six points, while Paige Zertuche tossed in three points and Abby Stead scored two points.
"We got off to slow start in the first quarter," said Eldorado head coach Josh Bradley. I'm sure a little of that was first game jitters, but on the road against a very good basketball like Goreville, it was something we couldn't afford to do and we had to play catch up all night."
Bradley added that while his Eagles were able to get to lead down to six points several times and even as low as four at one point, his club just never could get a shot to fall when the Eagles needed it.
"We got in early foul trouble," Bradley said. "Cassidy and Abby came in to the game and I thought really gave us good minutes. Unthank our only senior starter gave us quality minutes all night and ended up putting together a good game."
Bradley said that Thursday night's loss was a good learning experience for his team.
"Goreville is a good team and it is really tough to play them at home. We showed a lot fight and guts in the game and now we have something to look at on film and get better. I told the girls not to look at the final score of the game, because it doesn't tell the whole story. It was really about a five to 10 point game for most of the night, they went on a 10-0 run with two minutes to play and we got fatigued from trying to fight back. We will make a few adjustments and learn from this game, it's not how good you are in November, it's how good you are in late January and early February that count."
In the junior varsity game, Eldorado earned a 25-12 victory where Steed led all scorers with 11 points. Caitlyn Stafford scored seven points, while Brooklyn Peavler finished with four points and Dresdyn Bramlett tacked on three points.
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Scott Worley has won hundreds of dollars from lottery tickets at that store. He has no idea how the store keeps producing winners, but he's not complaining.
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davesails7 wrote:Look up shadow box GPS. I've never used it myself, but it has been used in a few big air contests. Looks to be about $500 though. Pretty expensive!
GPS alone won't do it. My Garmin GPS watch reads all over the place on altitude. Shadow box uses accelerometers with a GPS and records your path in 3D.
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Skip to comments.MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry: 'This Is No Country For Young Black Men'
Posted on 12/03/2012 8:45:57 AM PST by chessplayer
Another black teenager was killed in Florida last week by an older, non-black assailant, and the media - just as they did in the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case - are predictably taking sides before all the facts are in.
Melissa, shove it up your smelly Obama.
Take it out, and do it again.
And again.
We aren't buying the race card any more.
The MH-P jokes are just going to start writing themselves.
OK, here goes. Why doesn't MH-P just spell her name lower case, like bell hooks? Same politics, same hatreds, after all.
'This Is No Country For Young Black Men'
Then they should all move to a country that is for them?
Thousand of blacks kill blacks every year - in disproportionate numbers - and the media doesn't care.
However, God forbid there be a non-black on black incident and they set loose the dogs.
The media is a cowardly and stupid conglomerate of misinformed idiots.
Just the opposite. Black men have all the advantages their forefathers didn't have. It's just that they won't take them.
Tired old mantra.
Yeah, the white devil made him do it...
It's OK for blacks to kill whites though.
The number one killer of young black men is other young black men. Predictable silence from the media on this proverbial elephant in the middle of the room.
This is no country for white middle aged Christian males. If a black guy has self control and ambition, every possible door is open for him in this country. Unfortunately, few fit the bill.
So, MHP, what would such a country look like?
Would it be one that condones what we'd currently call anti-social behavior?
The nation is an idiocracy.
The idiocrats outnumber us.
I have a dream, that one day the race hustlers will quit telling folks they are victims and that excuses them from trying, in school and in life.
And that race hustlers will Quit telling folks they don't have a chance, so they shouldn't use the tools available to improve their situation.
I can't hear what Melissa has said because i'm so overwhelmed by the awesomeness of her race card. Did I miss anything important?
Jim Crow smiles on the media. The media have done more to disadvantage blacks than he ever could have imagined.
This Is No Country For Young Black Men, thanks, for the most part, to Young Black Men.
The media is a cowardly and stupid conglomerate of misinformed idiots.
Oh, they are VERY informed. They just don't want the masses to be informed.
Anybody keeping score on blacks killing whites?
Actually her basic premise is spot-on. This is no country for young black men because generations of government interference has destroyed the black family structure and made it twice as difficult for a black man to succeed honestly, and twice as easy to live a life of crime, indolence, and dependence.
But just keep blaming whites, lady, and the paychecks will keep rolling in.
Man, look at the 'roid neck on him. Note to weight lifters - if your neck is wider than your skull, step away from the roids!
Well, Miss Educated-Moron, apparently this is no country for young or old black fathers to stick around and help raise all those YBMs your "sisters" keep pinching off.
LOLOLMAO! Best laugh I've had in days. Good thing I'd just swallowed lunch and drink, before I read it, or I'd have a "clean-up in aisle 3" moment.
For the mainstream press, the death of a black teenager is only of interest if they can use it against the white community. The first article linked is from black radio network. It states that when black young men die two out of five of those deaths are homicides. Also linked is a report in the blaze that states that 93% of these homicides is black on black violence.
The black youths that are killed by other black youths are faceless and of no interest to the mainstream press. They are two busy promoting their hardcore racism. To judge people by the color of their skin is by definition racist. The mainstream press has become what they say the despise: small minded bigots.
The only time one hears from them is when non-blacks
kill defend themselves from punk-ass ganstas.
,,,, so that's why so many young blacks are killing one another at such a rapid pace ,, I get it now ,, thanks . ( extreme sarc ) . . .
We're not supposed to call out Negro youth on anti social or criminal behavior. They are held to a lesser standard because of the legacy of slavery and discrimination. Liberal theology on the subject is that America is racist and has not changed since the days of Bull Connor and his police dogs and fire hoses on civil rights marchers.
I agree with her that 'this is no country for black young men'. Aside from providing some marginally acceptable entertainment on Saturday and Sunday afternoons, what contribution to the culture do they make?
Perhaps they can all find another country and start from scratch like our forefathers did and see what real work and suffering is all about.
|Over 90% of all murdered black people are killed by:
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Well, if the smoke enough "choom" in their younger years they can at least grow up to be President. They've got that goin' for 'em!
I good-naturedly disagree. The people who give the media their talking points are "informed" on their personal ideology, but the media itself is totally ignorant of even the basics.
Does she suggest they go to Liberia or to Kenya?
Yes, and it's over 90% caused by other young black men (murdering another young black man).
If she'd add the proper context, it'd make perfect sense. It's not PC or how the MSM wants to frame the story, so you never hear it.
Is anyone else just fed up with this constant black crap? What is their problem, city governments all over this country have a disproportionate percentage of blacks in power. The schools are more than balanced with black teachers, superintendents, and boards. Federal government employees are overwhelmingly black and the private sector must follow stringent hiring practices. Evidently without blacks, we wouldnt have professional sport teams. Television commercials are designed to make white people look stupid, blacks smart and rational. All this for a little over 13% of the US population? I am at the point of disgust and I don't like feeling that way.
Oh yeah, I forgot........the POTUS is black and elected into his second term.
They were given that opportunity in Liberia and look at the mess they made there.........
Maybe we should give them REAL equal opportunity...
13% of the teachers be black...
13% of the athletes be black...
13% of the white collar workers be black...
See how that would set with Jackson, Sharpton, et al....
Is MS. Harry-Paris advocating another Back-to-Africa movement?
They need to study history...away from the schools.
The Republicans have done more for blacks then anyone.
And NO ONE is concerned when blacks and other non-whites murder whites-the majority of interracial murder, by far, is black on white, even though blacks are app 12% of the pop and whites are app 70%. The rape statistics are even more skewed-white on black rape is negligible to the point of statistically non-existent, while blacks rape whites over ninety times as frequently as whites rape blacks.
Of course George Zimmerman is black by the rules that apply to non-Hispanics. He is one-eighth black (one of his grandmothers was half black) but because he is part-Hispanic, that erases any blackness and makes him fair game for Al Sharpton and the like.
The country of her delusional racist fantasies, the one FOR young negro males, will look like this about two hours after its establishment :
For verification, please refer to the Republic of South Africa.
To avoid same, the following three point plan is suggested:
That is true, and that would be their problem. Because the bottom line is, there is no other way, whites need the right to live separately in a separate area of the US. We need to regain our freedom of association. Blacks will always resent the necessary inequality of outcome between the two groups, whites will always be made to pay in some way to rectify this inequality, even when the only way equality can be achieved is to suppress white achievement and culture, all of which breeds a never-ending cycle of resentment. Let us live apart as we choose, and each group create the society of their preference and capability-THEIR capability, not the one attainable when one group must sacrifice its own well-being to subsidise the other.
Yeah, I was gonna say-Get used to it honey, you're 35 years behind the white folks in this country.
Yes, we are fed up! Unfortunately, we do nothing about it except to complain to each other. The proper target of our wrath is A)The professional race hustlers and,
B)The lying Leftist media who love them.
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Cody Franson willing to play on a one-year deal
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September 19 2013 08:52AM
With the current cap situation we're in I personally think a one-year would suit the team the best. You know, they've got a little bit of a crunch on numbers and you know, I'm just trying to make it happen for both sides.
Until any deal is signed or Dave Nonis goes on record to talk numbers, I'm not going to get into the prices that the Leafs are offering. When negotiations are concerned, a lot of talk that is meant to stay private go public, and it leads to a lot of fans believing that opening offers are indicative of what a player expects. Remember when Nazem Kadri reportedly wanted a six-year deal for $6-million and then wound up taking less than half of that for one-third the contract length?
The above quote is from Cody Franson, via TSN's outdated video player that doesn't let you embed links. He was with Mark Masters yesterday after practicing with the Ryerson Rams at the Mattamy Athletic Centre. You may know that building better as Maple Leaf Gardens (if you have a chance to go to a Rams game, or scrimmage at the facility, I highly recommend it. It's an awesome place).
Anyway, I thought it was refreshing to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. Franson is resigned to a shorter-term contract. There's some speculation as to why Franson never filed for arbitration this summer and it's become accepted that it's because he didn't want to risk playing on another one-year deal. Frankly, he's a player that has paid his dues and deserves a bit of stability, so I don't hold it against him for holding out.
From the Maple Leafs perspective, I kind of have to wonder what the thinking is. Franson has two more years until he's unrestricted, so a one-year deal means that the Leafs get another summer of negotiating rights. If Franson turns out to be the real deal on defence, he's a player you can look at to give a bigger role to if, hypothetically, you don't get Dion Phaneuf signed by this summer. The salary cap is in a crunch year this season, but should increase to higher than 2012-2013 numbers this upcoming for the 2014-2015 season so there will be a little bit more money to throw around in regards to an extension.
If the Leafs go with 13 forwards and 7 defencemen, that means they'll have $2.9-million to work with if they demote John-Michael Liles (only $925K of his salary cap hit will come off of the Leafs' books), and $2.7-million if they demote Korbinian Holzer. It is theoretically plausible that the team gets something done without having to move anybody but that would involve Franson biting the bullet and playing for less than he's worth, with the team right up against the cap.
There's a good chance I see the one-year deal as preferable because I like Cody Franson so much and I'm paying closer attention to his interests than the Leafs'. I can see where they'd be unwilling to give Cody another year of arbitration rights, and locking him up could save money for the summer of 2014 where they need to open the chequebooks for Phaneuf, Phil Kessel, or Phaneuf and Kessel's replacements. Only 11 players are signed past this season (and two of them are Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren) so obtaining some semblance of stability is important.
But I just don't see where it's preferable to sign Franson to two years at this point rather than four or five, especially if he's willing to come aboard at a reduced cost because he wants the long-term deal. I'm sticking with the original plan here: sign him to a one-year deal at the highest you can while also leaving space to waive McLaren and sign Mason Raymond, and agree to an extension to be signed January 1st. Everybody's happy there.
It's not like Franson doesn't want to be a Leaf, it's that the Leafs completely mismanaged their cap this summer and now Franson has resigned himself to making the situation work this year. I'd give him something back for the service.
I saw this on Twitter and thought "oh look, a legitimate article about Franson, there might be real sources here who know what they're talking about!"
Then I realized the link was from The Leafs Nation.
September 19 2013, 09:56AM
...Cody Franson not being a "real" source for issues related to Cody Franson...
Good read. Franson will sign.. it's just a matter of time.
And I agree that Holzer will get demoted. Given that he has a 2 year contract, he should clear waivers easily. We mock Leafs management, but that's probably why they wisely give 2 year contracts to their "send them down in a heartbeat" players (Holzer... Orr... McLaren).
September 19 2013, 12:29PM
Possible to demote both Liles and holzer?? Clear some more cap space to sign Franson, maybe even Raymond. If we demote them both, we have Phaneuf, gunnarson, gardiner, Fraser, Brennan, ranger, and then if we sign Franson that's 7 defenseman on the roster. And we also got Raymond. Possibly on the 3rd line???
That would be a very successful offseason. Upto the cap maybe even 500k remaining. And ya done. Maybe Liles might even be claimed off waivers!!! If we are lucky haha
September 19 2013, 03:42PM
I saw this on Twitter and thought "oh look, a legitimate article about Franson, there might be real sources here who know what they're talking about!"
Then I realized the link was from The Leafs Nation.
Haha exactly!
September 19 2013, 05:33PM
JVR - Bozak - Kessel Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson Raymond (0.925K) - Bolland - Kuliemen Mclaren - Mclement - Colburne
Demote: Orr Smith
Phaneuf - Gunnarson Gardiner - Liles Ranger - Franson
With demoting Orr, Smith, Holzer and Signing Raymond to 0.925K we will have 3.3 Mill in capspace, good enough for Franson
JVR - Bozak - Kessel Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson Raymond (0.925K) - Bolland - Kuliemen Mclaren - Mclement - Colburne
Demote: Orr Smith
Phaneuf - Gunnarson Gardiner - Liles Ranger - Franson
With demoting Orr, Smith, Holzer and Signing Raymond to 0.925K we will have 3.3 Mill in capspace, good enough for Franson
The Leafs will need at least - 1 scratched forward and 1 scratched Dman in case of game day injuries.
That has been the sticking point all along with this negotiation. Franson wants a one year and the Leafs 2years because the Leafs have a lot of players to deal with this coming year and they do not want to negotiate long term with Franson along with Kessel, Phaneuf, Riemer and a bunch of others.
September 20 2013, 01:41PM
I spoke to several people that are quite experienced in contract negotiations, and what have been saying is that the Leafs have Franson over a barrel. Arbitration, offer sheets and not playing are essentially the only bargaining chips left to RFAs. He failed to file for arbitration, his offer sheets would better benefit the Leafs, and the Leafs have some depth at defence to fill in for the (obviously not up to his ability, but still some good depth).
As for the Leafs, they don't want to give Franson his arbitration rights next year, essentially because they don't have to. He may have earned a higher price tag, but his representatives made the decision to neglect filing for arbitration, and the Leafs see the opportunity to get a cheap year with a very strong player. If he's going to sign a one year, the Leafs are forcing a very cheap price tag. They have the bargaining power, and for that reason, they're going to win these negotiations.
Just for clarity's sake, though, do we have the legal right to bury Liles' contract in the AHL, or does he have a no-move clause? Wouldn't burying Liles' contract give us the opportunity to sign both Raymond and Franson at fair prices with a couple loonies to spare? What's Liles' contract situation like?
September 20 2013, 05:18PM
Franson will eventually sign (like Kadri did), and take a salary and term that is befitting of his experience, contributions and status. Then Toronto will move a d-man down to make way for Franson on the roster and the money will balance out.
If we can all see how the numbers will work, how has the cap been "mismanaged" exactly?
There are 6 teams over the cap right now, including Detroit, Boston, Pittsburgh and LA. Have those cup winning GM's stopped being good at their job and mismanaged the cap as well? Or is it just Nonis who has thus far screwed up?
Franson is an RFA and does not have negotiating leverage. We see GM's time and time again play hardball with athletes at this stage of their career because, well, they can. And they should. If PK Subban can play for less than $3M than so can Franson.
It's just a matter of him deciding he's had enough of watching camp from his computer screen.