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Skip to comments.'B.C.' cartoon seen as slur of Islam (Hamas Kiss-butt/Wahhabi Lobby Alert)
Posted on 11/22/2003 10:42:53 AM PST by Jacob Kell
The Council on American-Islamic Relations once again is demanding an apology for an alleged slur of Muslims, this time asserting a veteran cartoonist has cryptically defamed Islam.
The Washington, D.C.-based group sent out a dispatch to its e-mail list after a "B.C." cartoon last week by Johnny Hart was publicly questioned on a Washington Post Web chat page.
The cartoon shows a caveman entering an outhouse at night, and then saying, from inside, "Is it just me, or does it stink in here?"
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Some people will see what they want to see, I guess.
The whole flap reminds be of a shaggy dog story. Others can put all the shag back on the dog. The punchline is, "If the foo sh*ts, wear it." Dunno why that comes to mind in the midst of this particular subject. LOL.
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I got a laugh earlier when someone referred to being in "Deep Shiite."
In my opinion, I happen to agree with the CAIR interpretation of his intent, but sadly for them, "reading between the lines" is not actionable, and Mr. Hart certainly has plausible deniability here...the ambiguity of the cartoon is the beauty of it, and the "foo" comment is exactly right on, LOL!
And that's just on the first PAGE when you type in "outhouse" under "Image search."
I cannot believe that someone has been in this country as long as that CAIR jerk has and does not know this is the traditional way outhouse doors were ventilated!!! Hart should sue CAIR for harassment!
Just a thought.
They don't have to...the doors are "self-slamming"! (aren't they all on those metal coil spring things like the old-fashioned wood screen doors?! so scrap my previous comment about the door being open in the first panel, LOL!!)
And how on earth would Prof. Blonsky know that?? Did he do a survey or something? OH, heheHE!!
Thanks for the post and the laugh! (love the bulldog too!)
Omar M. Ahmad, chairman of the board of the Council on American-Islamic relations, spoke before a packed crowd at the Flamingo Palace banquet hall on Peralta Boulevard, urging Muslims not to shirk their duty of sharing the Islamic faith with those who are "on the wrong side." Muslim institutions, schools and economic power should be strengthened in America, he said. Those who stay in America should be "open to society without melting (into it)," keeping mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam, he said.
"If you choose to live here (in America) ... you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam," he said.
Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant, he said. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth, he said.
I would say that muslims were sharing their faith with Americans when they murdered over 3,000 of us on 9-11.
Blonsky opined that when it comes to artistic criticism, it is a mistake to give much weight at all to the artist's stated intention.
All that matters, he said, is the way people interpret it. Therefore, even if Hart intended no offense, the offense is there.
So let me get this right. He is too stupid to get the joke, but he was offended and that's all that matters. Well I find this idiot offensive.
And how does one become designated as an "expert in the interpretation of signs and symbols" anyway? Can you interpret this symbol?
Geez, we must be a tolerant country.
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Skip to comments.Mel Gibson May be an Alcoholic, a Sedevacantist and an Anti-Semite But He Has My Sympathy
Posted on 10/26/2010 7:21:57 AM PDT by marshmallow
Hollywood has turned against him: he has been dropped from the cast of Hangover 2
Here we go again. Mel Gibson has been dropped from the cast of Hangover 2. He was to have had a cameo role as a tattooist the role played in the original Hangover by that winsome rapist Mike Tyson but at the weekend it emerged that his co-stars had decided that they could not appear alongside a man whose wickedness has dragged the good name of Hollywood through the mud. Over at Salon Matt Zoller Seitz thinks he detects double standards at play:
Theres something about this Hangover 2 thing that doesnt pass the smell test. It seems, at the very least, yet another example of the selective outrage that fuels controversy-driven entertainment coverage, and Hollywood posturing generally, with actors, directors, producers, studio bosses and other players working themselves into a righteous snit about certain people and offenses while giving others a pass.
Go here for the whole thing.
The case against Mel is that he is anti-Semitic, homophobic, violent and alcoholic, and, to add insult to injury, a Roman Catholic. Thats a bad combination in Hollywood. Most Hollywood types can forgive alcoholism and a little domestic violence, but they draw the line at anti-Semitism and homophobia, and they dont like Catholicism unless it comes from Bing Crosby and is wrapped in tinsel. No one would ever accuse Mel of wrapping his Catholicism in tinsel.
But hang on, is Mel Gibson really a Catholic? No, say his critics; he is a sedevacantist and therefore a schismatic and therefore not a Catholic. You didnt hear much talk of that sort when The Passion of the Christ was released in 2004. Then it was Mel the conquering Catholic hero; now, in some quarters at least, it is Mel the Damned. When I last wrote about him three months ago, one reader declared in the combox: I am sorry to say that Mel will go to Hell when he dies. He is NOT a Catholic and absolutely does not practice the true Catholic faith. Bless that reader for having compassion enough to regret that Mel Gibson is doomed to spend an eternity in unspeakable misery.
But not even Google can tell us exactly what Mels religious position is. His friend the Jesuit scholar William Fulco says that Mel denies neither the Pope nor Vatican II. Mel Gibson is obviously a religious nut, however, and there must have been times when, as a loyal son, he embraced his fathers sedevacantism. It is possible that he remains a sede. But so far as I know he has never questioned, far less rejected, any part of Catholic teaching. Thats more than can be said for a lot of Catholics, including priests and bishops. Surveys show that most Catholics in the comfortable West do not accept the Churchs teaching on (for example) birth control. They dont just ignore it the way we all ignore moral teaching from time to time they believe the Church is in error. So it could be that some of those accusing Gibson of sedecavantism may themselves be heretics, or at the very least recalcitrant dissidents. I am not defending sedevacantism on the contrary but I am suggesting that sedes are sometimes more faithful to Church teaching than respectable Catholics in the suburbs.
Whatever Mels status as a Catholic, however, he is in his anger and resentments a classic type of Catholic alcoholic. His anti-Semitism is very Catholic, too. Catholic anti-Semites are very rarely prejudiced against individual Jews, but have a thing about Jews collectively. G K Chesterton loved individual Jews, and was outspoken in his condemnation Hitlers anti-Semitism, but he was able to write:
I am fond of Jews
Jews are fond of money
Never mind of whose
I am fond of Jews
Oh, but when they lose
Damn it all, its funny.
Some might say that those lines are quite innocent, but I am not sure many Jews would.
Mel himself obviously has nothing against Jewish people. His agent, Alan Nierob, is Jewish. Nierob is also the agent of Liam Neeson, who has been picked to replace Gibson in the cameo role in Hangover 2 pending, as Nierob has said, clearance of cast and crew background check. Probably the only sane response to this is to laugh.
All the same, I have sympathies with Mel Gibson, if only because I, too, am an alcoholic, and sense that if I were to go back on the booze I might soon find myself doing Gibson turns. My perhaps rather pious hope is that Mel will sober up whether or not he is drinking now, he is not sober and make his peace with the Church. He can after all do that and continue to hear Mass in the old rite. First, though, he must learn moderation. Thats more than I have ever managed to do, but I am persuaded that the only antidote to booze, anger and bad religion is love of God and neighbour, especially when your neighbour is also your enemy.
Well yes, other than that they "started all the wars in the world".
What a crock!
"My father never lied to me" Mel Gibson when asked about his father's Holocaust denial.
He had everything: an adoring wife, a beautiful family, good health, good looks, a career that not only paid supremely well but that he clearly enjoyed every minute of.
He decided to throw it all away.
That being said, it is ridiculous that the cast of The Hangover, who had no problem working with convicted rapist, long-time wifebeater and cannibal Mike Tyson would draw the line at Gibson.
Utter hypocrisy.
"...because I, too, am an alcoholic, and sense that if I were to go back on the booze I might soon find myself doing Gibson turns."
Really? A bottle jack turns you into a wife-beating/berating, Jew-hating a-hole? Okay, I'll give the auther the a-hole part, but if he has anti-semitism and anti-wife within him, can't blame that on the booze. Sorry.
Gibson is a tormented man & a great director. Bet they would have no qualms working with Polanski. What jerks. Personally I hope that Mel can get his life back together, he was always one of my favorites.
Discrimination against people who suffer from bipolar disorder is pretty much akin to racial discrimination.
One of the problems these folks face is SELF MEDICATION using a variety of subtances, particularly distilled beverages.
Antisemitism, or any other sort of voiced bias is an artifact of the problem.
People should thank God they do not suffer from the condition ~ not condemn the sufferer for having it (and we must always be sure to praise them for using their medications).
I've seen Jews in their private moments condemn the 'goys for not caring for their kids' or enjoy a tickle when Christianity gets ridiculed, but I knew them well enough that I judged them by how they treated individuals, which was very well. I can forgive Mel a drunken rant. I still like Mel.
I agree with what you said. Funny hollyweird supported Polanski, but, not Gibson. I think they are using a lot of exuses, because he is more conservative than most of hollyweird.
Mel's OK. He is a private citizen who gets drunk and rants. Big deal.
Addicts tend to seriously wreck themselves and the ones who love them. Mel's got a monster on his back. I hope his bottom has been reached so he can heal and make amends before he dies.
Still, hollywierd (including the Jewish ones) playing all high and mighty towards Gibson is the material of comedy. There is not a more oppressive, immoral and hateful pack on the planet. Abusing females is central to life in that culture. Although hating Jews and Muslims is taboo; hating and debasing Christians has been ritualized.
Oh the poor, poor little RACE card got played AGAIN .... give it a frakking rest already. Genetic defects are a world apart from skin color.
Ooooh, now THAT one's gonna leave a mark.
BTW, why has no one ever asked how fishy Mel's "antisemitic" drunk driving bust was? He gets nailed good and proper for a DWI... and then "just happens" to launch into a Jew-baiting rant to a LEO who "just happens" to be Jewish?
Learned a new word - sedevacantist.
True about that. Mel did this to himself....he needs to get help. He has a ton of money and should be in the Betty Ford Clinic or somewhere that can help him. In order for forgiveness, he needs to repent (not to us but at least to God).
Polanski did not get respect from Hollywood for 20 years and now is just getting it....Mel's nonsense has just started two years ago. Who knows what Hollywood will be saying about Mel in 20 years. Time heals all wounds. I am sure that in time Mel will be at the cocktail parties ucking it up.
Sedevacantism is the position held by a minority of Traditionalist Catholics who claim that the Papal See has been vacant since either the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958 or Pope John XXIII in 1963.
Sedevacantists believe that Paul VI (19631978), John Paul I (1978), John Paul II (19782005) and Benedict XVI (since 2005) have been neither true Catholics nor true Popes, by virtue of allegedly having espoused the heresy of Modernism, or of having otherwise denied or contradicted solemnly defined Catholic dogmas. Some of them classify John XXIII (19581963) also as a Modernist antipope.
He doesn't have my sympathy. He has my prayers, though, and my awareness that I'm a fellow sinner.
This guy is a cop in Malibu and is Jewish. He busts people for drunk driving all the time, it is one of the major crimes that happens in Malibu. He busts a guy going too fast too drunk and that guy "just happens" to be Mel Gibson.
Mel Gibson reads the name on the badge and/or starts profiling our LEO and asks him if he is Jewish - and then "just happens" to launch into a venomous rant about how Jews are responsible for starting all the wars in the world and "What are you looking at sugar t*ts?".
Conclusion: It simply MUST be a Jewish conspiracy to bust Mel Gibson drunk driving, and they just KNEW that if they did it with a Jewish officer he would "just happen" to go off on an antisemitic tirade!
Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that. That seems right up there with the conspiracy theory that the Mossad knew 9-11 was going to happen and no Jews showed up for work at the twin towers that day.
I am fond of Christians
Christians are fond of property
Never mind of whose
I am fond of Christians
Oh, but when they lose
Damn it all, its fuuny.
If you have yellow/brown you tend to be red haired with semi-bushy eyebrows, and translucent or freckled skin. You may have blue, green, or "hazel" (that's the other stuff) eyes.
There are maybe 200 million lucky people with the yellow/brown pigment. Another 6 billion are burdened with the black/brown stuff ~ poor dears!
Now, who are the mutants?
Let's leap ahead to other mutations ~ NON BI POLAR may be the mutation. Like NON AUTISTIC may be another one.
Color is readily overcome with the use of skin bleaches. There is no fix for bipolar disorder.
I am just AMAZED at all the 'Mel' hatred.
Yep, he's goofed.. a LOT lately, it seems, but sheesh!
EVERY one of his 'incidences' have to do with his personal life. PERSONAL. It's the media who splatters these things in our faces.
Why is it we give others who are just as 'bad'-all the time, publicly, a pass.. simply because, "oh well, that's JUST 'them' and we expect 'them' to be weird or whatever.
How come Sean Penn doesn't get booted from acting jobs? Alec Baldwin?...I could go on and on.
Why hammer on Mel so badly? He's his OWN worst enemy and will need to fix things himself. Professionally, he's a fine actor.
How come Bill Clinton's 'character' didn't get HIM booted from his job?
California has such folks though. One family we knew (they've since passed on) were part of an ancient caste/class who did trash work ~ and worked as police. They said they were sometimes mixed up with the Samaritans, but no, they'd been cops and trash collectors FOR CENTURIES. Their son was a CHIP.
I don't know if that reached back to Spain in the Middle Ages or Russia or Israel or Egypt or Babylon, but there they were and they knew something about it.
I may have met an FBI agent or Postal Inspector who was Jewish but it never occurred to me to ask ~ now accountants, or lawyers?
I doubt there were Jewish cops just laying in wait for Mel to wiggle waggle down the road, but if it was going to happen that'd probably have to be in Souvrn' California ~ but I doubt they'd have the time.
World population is 25% white, 60% asian, 13% black and a smattering of other types. Take your perceived aggrieved status and stuff it. Keep playing that race card, how's that working out for you?
Start with Lithium.
>>There is no fix for bipolar disorder.<<
There's a lot of money top be made treating it though. Get in line!
So he was doing fine and one day showed up with immense red welts from his toes to his waist.
They didn't go away and got redder and weltier and more and more painful.
This is why the search continues for more powerful and less harmful drugs to treat epilepsy AND bipolar disorder.
I thought there'd be someone out there who'd get sucked in easily ~ who doesn't know about the realities of human pigmentation.
Even blonds have the black/brown pigment ~ they have genes that suppress its production.
Red heads don't ~ they have an entirely different color pigment.
The world of human pigmentation has but two colors ~ black/brown and yellow/brown ~ that's it. All the rest of the stuff you see is just a matter of pigment density!
"He was to have had a cameo role as a tattooist the role played in the original Hangover by that winsome rapist Mike Tyson"
This guy probably should have actually watched the movie before commenting on it and making himself look foolish.
Hey, no sense the liquor stores getting all the money eh!
I don't recall him having anything to do with a tattooist.
This guy is dense.
That "Passion of the Christ" sure upset Hollywood, and it's historical box office success, insures that it will always be an unforgivable sin to them.
I don't side with Hollywood on anything.
And Charlie Sheen, who just happens to be in trouble again....
If the "simplist explanation" is correct, your own take seems doubtful. A drunken Gibson is busted by a sherrif's deputy named "James Mee?" Sounds less Jewish than Chinese to me.
Try this — a deputy gets Gibson dead to rights for DUI, but the dep. has been goaded by the anti-Gibson "antisemite" propaganda campaign Abe Foxman and his cronies whipped up to greet "The Passion of the Christ." Well well... now he has a drunk Gibson neatly busted. Maybe couldn't resist saying "So how's it feel to get busted by a JEW, huh Adolph?" Then he can claim to be shocked at the response. That the officer was later investigated for leaking details on the case to the press supports this fairly obvious solution.
Moreover nothing the Officer said or did would excuse Mel Gibson's "Jews are responsible for starting all the wars in the world" lunacy.
Other than the fact that Gibson is a raving loon and raving loons say loony things when they rant and rave.
"Mel Gibson was the one who asked if the officer was Jewish, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT..."
'nuff said.
The offensive part of your post is equating discrimination against Bipolar disorder to racism. Newsflash: People are getting sick and disgusted with racism cards being thrown everywhere. You are responsible for your actions and no one else.
"Jews are responsible for starting all the wars in the world" Mel Gibson
'nuff said.
I think you're getting your panties in a wad over what you imagine to be an intention behind my statement rather than what the statement said.
You do know about the part DNA plays, right?
When I say "DNA" that is not throwing the race card.
There is no race card to play anyway, and in reality there are people who don't care how you behave, if you have a genetic difference they are ready to jump on you.
That's a race card.
if you have a genetic difference they are ready to jump on you.
There is that. And yes one of my brothers are bipolar so I am familiar with the disorder. Self-control of your actions is what my brothers and I keep trying to drill into him.
Medicine is better.
Particularly if they can get enough relief early on so that they don't try ALCOHOL.
BTW, the "discrimination is akin" because there's not a whole lot the person with the genetic condition can do about it ~ so it's just as mindless as discrimination based on skin tones.
A bipolar Hollywood alcoholic that falls off the wagon one night (the worst drunk one can have) by drinking straight tequila, is under siege by Jews for his Christian movie, and is stopped by a hostile Jewish deputy (that released the tapes, and later sued LA county for anti-Jewish discrimination) in Malibu while sucking on a bottle of Tequila and driving 42 miles over the speed limit, and he blurts out some anti Jewish insults.
You must not have spent much time around bipolar people, or alcoholics, or both, in your time, that is pretty mild stuff, I would like to see what you say on a full fledged Tequila drunk.
The guy is a wack job with a Holocaust denying father who "never lied to (him)", and with big wack job conspiracy theories involving Jews starting all wars floating about his Tequila soaked brain.
But it wasn't the Tequila that MADE those things be inside Mel, it just lubricated their release from the fetid depths of his deeply disturbed mind.
The only thing i would say is that he get away from religion, any religion, and get acquainted with Christ, however i have no reason to think i should give advice to some one else.
I am just AMAZED at all the Mel hatred.
It could just as easily have been John Wayne, but in his day people were not so paranoid about this politically correct crap.
I don,t know much about Mel Gibson, just seen a few movies, i did not watch the passion because i saw the previews and thought it was not scriptural, but i think he is a good actor and i trust some one who says what they think, even if it is just a rant, because i have that same problem, if it is a problem.
And like myself, i bet there are a lot of people out there who if they would think about it would thank god they are not in that spot light.
but at the weekend it emerged that his co-stars had decided that they could not appear alongside a man whose wickedness has dragged the good name of Hollywood through the mud.
Hollywood and the media despised John Wayne and was against him, Wayne had to fight them constantly to get his message out. Wayne was attacked on anything that they could attack him on.
Hollywood figures have, and do attack Christians in the same way and do fine, the people that hated him for making a pro-Christian movie used what they could to get him, even the meaningless ramblings of a bipolar alcoholic, falling off the wagon with a Tequila drunk.
Drunks often make statements they don't believe, to upset people, you yourself believe a myth that they never lie when blind drunk and off their medication, just like people believed that children never lie as the left sent people to prison for that myth.
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Let me get it out in the open first that I am not a fan of voice chat, but I will try to keep this opinion out of this topic as much as I can.
Voice chat has been used for 10 years or so now in online games? Not entirely sure when it got popular since the first time I found it used a lot around me was pretty far into vanilla wow, so late 2005, early 2006 or so.
When I hear voice chat in youtube video's, the only place for me to hear it since I stay clear from using it myself, I usually hear young people and hardly ever "older" gamers. The voices mainly sound as if they are in their teens or early twenties. When I talk to others in mmo's about reasons I am not a fan of it myself more often than not the people agreeing with me are also over 30.
Ofcourse this can just be coincidence since I have not done any research on the topic and have not found any research on the net either. It does make me wonder though if those that dislike it are on average of the age that they played 10+ years before voice chat even existed. Closing in on 40 myself the first videogame I ever played was Pong on an Atari gameconsole back in the late 70's and been playing videogames ever since. So most of my gaming experience came from before the internet was widely accepted.
When I started playing online nobody used voice chat, connections simply weren't fast enough for it to be viable. So we got used to playing together and communicating with eachother purely by typing it out. I have gotten used to playing without voice chat because of that and when it started to become popular it felt as if only the younger generation used it.
The current younger generation grew up with voice chat in their videogames. When I look at my nephews who play online a lot, I doubt they ever used typed out chat for anything. They are used to console gaming and hardly touch a pc. I can't blame people that grew up like that to not understand that there are people out there that hate voice chat. They don't know any different and not using it is for them like going to a pub and only talking to eachother by writing things on paper. I can understand that in their eyes it makes no sense at all.
So I wonder, on average ofcourse, is there a clear generation gap between those who like voice chat and those that don't? I added the "on average" because there are obviously plenty gamers much older than me that enjoy using it.
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I never used ingame voicechat, it's just game breaking for me, remove the immertion and looks silly.
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I think the popularity of voice chat is a console thing on top of an age thing. People used to use Teamspeak on PC but that was strictly an E-Sport FPS thing, normal players didn't use it. But with the Xbox 360...oh brother...every 5-year-old is shouting through their mic.
In our guild no one does voice chat, it's not something that's needed if you type at a reasonable speed.
Originally posted by CalmOceans
I think the popularity of voice chat is a console thing on top of an age thing. People used to use Teamspeak on PC but that was strictly an E-Sport FPS thing, normal players didn't use it. But with the Xbox 360...oh brother...every 5-year-old is shouting through their mic.
In our guild no one does voice chat, it's not something that's needed if you type at a reasonable speed.
You could be absolutely right about that. Everyone I know around my age that do like voice chat are besides pc gamers, mainly console gamers.
Originally posted by Mellkor
I'm indifferent about it but:
1.I can see merit in it.
2.Sometimes i just wana listen to some slayer while i do stuff.
Oh yeah, I like to type stuff
I don't mean this topic to be about liking or disliking voice chat and the pro's and con's of it, but questioning how much of an impact age has in regards to liking it.
Thanks for the reply though.
I don't think it's anything to do with age. I've used the same vent for around 7 years and the vast majority of us, and there have been hundreds over that time, have been between their 30s and 60's. We've some in their 20's but most of us are older. We've never recuited by age either it was always just 18+ but would take in younger as long as they were mature...ish.
I think it just comes down to the age of the main people on a long term vent, people will gravitate to and be more likely stick around on voice chat with people of a similar age. You've probably just been unlucky with the guilds/communities you've joined.
I enjoy it for MMOs being that I'm a progression minded person and it's required for raids. I'm in my mid twenties, but we have lots of people in their thirties or older who use it too. BTW, if you are wondering the age of voice chat software in video games I believe it's about 12 to 13 years old considering we were using Roger Wilco back in the old EQ days before WoW.
As for Xbox Live and console gaming I avoid it. Nothing but hate spewed over those microphones and yes, the majority of users I found are pretty childish. I keep it both off on my end and theirs so I don't have to here them. Rarely do I see good sportsmanship when I play online (typically only Fighting Games) anyway.
I don't really think age has anything to do with it, it's really based on the community you are with. If you find yourself in situations where the majority of people on voice chat are children (and worst yet hateful little *expletive* that spew racist bile and homophobia in every sentence) then you'll probably more inclined to write off voice chat altogether, but when you are talking on TS, Vent, Mumble, or Skype with others your age and maturity (or lack there of) level then it's not so bad, especially if you want to play any sort of game that benefits from it.
I can see the utility of it in games where tactics are involved, and I guess this would include MMO raids. Since I'm not a raider, however, I tend to stay away. I play MMORPGS more for their RPG aspects of it, so immersion is everything. If you're 13 years old and want to roleplay some mighty orc warrior, then more power to you! I want to believe, for the purposes of immersion that you are just that-- big, tough, mighty, epic, etc. Hearing a squeaky voice that hasn't cracked completely kills it.
Now if you're that same 13 year old kid and can snipe like nobody's business and need voice coms for a tactical shooter, I'm right there with you.
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I got a similar gaming history as you OP. Over 30 - my love for videogames started with Pong and grabbing my grandfather's C64 whenever I could.
And yes I don't like voicechat. It's partly cause my accent is quite strong.
Strange enough - I realized that girls from NY and Canada drool all over my accent while girls from California find it awful.
But yeah old school typing ftw. Although I could imagine using voicechat in gw2 to give out orders for my team a little faster.
I'm 22, and I hate voice chat. It's fine in raids where you always have that one guy barking out orders mid fight,, but using it while soloing or while engaging in most games' group-based PvE, it reeks of laziness. I can't stand joining guilds in MMORPGs where the guild feels absolutely dead because everyone is chatting away in voice chat. I don't enjoy spending my gaming session listening to random people's annoying voices all evening, and I can't stand how pushy other guild members are when trying to get you to join vent. You log in and are told to join vent on the guild MoTD. Guild members get annoyed with you when they have to type out responses to your questions and tell you to get in vent. You miss out on group invites because you were not in vent. You can't understand guild chat conversations because half of it is from a guy in vent.
I joined a guild in the TERA closed beta, and not long afterwards, I joined them for an SB dungeon run. The guild leader asked me if I had vent. I said no, and he said, "Well we require vent for all guild runs." I was like "..." He says, "It helps us get to know each other better." Right then I literally dropped the group, quit the guild, and put the guy on my ignore list.
I love voicechat, but hate guild that force you to be on there TS2 server whenever you play the game like you there slave. I mean I understand they want people there once there zones are under attack or if your doing raids, but if I am just running around smelling the flowers or trying to understand and read the storyline then I really do not need some guys yelling in my ear or bugging me.
There are a few exeption I played face of mankind and being attacked could happen any moment, but there was no real solo-content in that game though. So it was better to be online and call in backup if you where attacked.
EDIT: BTW 25 years myself have started using voicechat in 2005-2006 when I started to play Face of mankind. Also I do love getting to know people I play with and from around the world and using voicechat just makes that easier.
I'n not sure age has any bearing on it at all. I'm 49 this year and I've been using voice comms since Roger Wilco came out something like 14 years ago, when I was playing TFC in a clan. I still use voice comms today.
I have friends I've been playing games with for 15 years and the first thing we do is join TS so we can chat in game. If I'm playing a game alone I tend not to bother.
Voice chat is ok in dungeons or pvp.
Outside of that it is tiring and for normal talk , text is superior.
Does not have to listen to some shit monologue , or whining or someone blabbing about some random totally uninteresting thing.
Not to mention people who make some annoying sounds while talking or using voice activation instead of key activation - so every now and then you hear their keyboard , or music they listen ,etc
For guild talk , voice chat is ANNOYING AS HELL and I refuse to be in such guild where it is expected to be on TS / Mubmle / Vent at all times.
Originally posted by SuperXero89
I joined a guild in the TERA closed beta, and not long afterwards, I joined them for an SB dungeon run. The guild leader asked me if I had vent. I said no, and he said, "Well we require vent for all guild runs." I was like "..." He says, "It helps us get to know each other better." Right then I literally dropped the group, quit the guild, and put the guy on my ignore list.
lol, the "get to know you" part would freak me out
There is a barrier to how far I will go, and voice chat is right over that barrier. I can't get around just talking to people I don't know at all. I have talked to people in guilds who I knew after years of playing, but just talking to strangers..no..that is way too creepy for me. Maybe it's because of my accent or just not into it, but I don't like it.
Its just the norm now. People are more connected then ever. 8 years ago I used teamspeak for the first time and I was extremely nervous and anxious about it, despite being 16 and a somewhat confident person. 12 years ago, I used instant messaging for the first time and my parents (who were extremely nervous and anxious at the time) told me never to give out my personal information or get in close contact with strangers online.
Now, kids are using facebook, streaming, using webcams, and more - all at a young age. People are getting more comfortable with this type of technology and because its useful to them, they continue to use it.
Additionally, I've chatted with many people online over 30. Infact, the first person to suggest I use voice chat was a woman in her 30s.
Edit: To answer the question: I do believe age does have a somewhat significant impact on liking/disliking voicechat because the older generations probably aren't as use to voicechatting as much as younger generations. But I do believe in time, this will phase out as voicechatting becomes more and more a mainstay for online gaming. I'll probably be talking shit to 12 year olds when playing Diablo 8 at the age of 90.
I'm almost 37 and I'm certainly not a fan of voice chat.
I've often landed in a PUG, been encouraged to enable voice chat, then had some youngling attempt to sing, tell me how awesome they are, and other such nonsensities. Of course, this isn't limited to the young, but experience has taught me that is generally the case. Another type are the drunken older people that are feeling lonely and simply want to talk bollocks about how different they wish their life were. That sort of thing.
I do, however, use TS to waffle on with people I know. I don't like talking to strangers, and I certainly don't want to hear them eating crisps or sneezing because they're too lazy to use push-to-talk.
If I'm grouped with people I don't know and they request that I join voice chat, then I quite often them that I'm deaf; just to prevent any further discussion on the matter.
Originally posted by TheHavok
Its just the norm now. People are more connected then ever. 8 years ago I used teamspeak for the first time and I was extremely nervous and anxious about it, despite being 16 and a somewhat confident person. 12 years ago, I used instant messaging for the first time and my parents (who were extremely nervous and anxious at the time) told me never to give out my personal information or get in close contact with strangers online.
Now, kids are using facebook, streaming, using webcams, and more - all at a young age. People are getting more comfortable with this type of technology and because its useful to them, they continue to use it.
Additionally, I've chatted with many people online over 30. Infact, the first person to suggest I use voice chat was a woman in her 30s.
This is the kind of thing that made me wonder if the chance you dislike or like voice chat has any relation to your age. As you said, the youth today grows up with it and never played online games without it. They started playing when people already claimed that you couldn't be successfull at all without voice chat. When you grow up in such a situation it effects your way of thinking just like any other external influences change the way you think and act.
I have a feeling, just a feeling since as I said I have not researched it, that when you purely look at those that don't like to use it the younger crowd probably have a bigger chance to use being shy and such as a reason while perhaps older players are more likely to use words like immersion as a reason. Also I think with older players the generation difference can be an added negative aspect for the same reason you don't see many 45 yr olds hang out with teens and vica versa. They just think and act different and it often doesn't go well together.
40 here and I don't like it. I can use it sometimes but in general I prefer typing. I find typing less stressful and I've actually had a lot more meningful conversions using old school chat. I think voice chat is so easy to use so that encourages people to fill the channel with a lot of garbage all the time.
In some situations it would help but my old guild was a good one, we could handle dungeons simply by being on our toes and being serious by doing our best to contribute to the team, no voice needed.
I don't really like it, except when it's being used for raids or PvP strategy.
I can do without having my lugholes filled with the sound of someone chewing, or humming, or having a phone conversation with their girlfriend (push to talk is your friend people!) - or my current peeve, idiots e-peening all over the place and calling themselves leet, because if you have to keep on saying it son, it ain't true. And it's kinda pathetic.
I know, I know, I'm a curmudgeon ... and I need to step away from my headset.
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I am not a fan of voice chat while playing MMORPG's,the majority of chat is absolutly nothing at all to do with what were doing ingame so I avoid it.When raiding its fine because usually its raidleader only speak apart from calling out for curses etcetera of which I clicked a macro instead anyway haha.
I only ever listened and never spoke.I also never understand why some people while we're getting ready to raid have to play thier music to all on voice....It was usually some scandinavian guy playing outdated heavy metal too...lol.And BTW I have nothing against scandinavians just thier music choices! and maybe food...... my GF is Swedish lol.
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Originally posted by remyburke
Age does play a role in liking/disliking voice chat, in that I'm 35 and hate listening to 22 year olds act like idiots. Guess I'm officially old now. In my day we had to type out raid strats during fights. Shaddap ya damn kids! I don't care how awesome you think you are!
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I'm older than most, I dislike voice chat for the similar reasons as you, so I guess the OP's premise might be true.
Perhaps though, like you I cut my MMO teeth when there was no voice chat and we seemed to get by just fine without it.
I do see the benefits of voice chat in PVP, or even in today's "Dance with the stars" PVE raid fights, but outside of that I don't really want to talk to people on voice chat.
In fact, I found it extremely annoying when playing SWTOR since every time a cut scene/voice over started some folks would start yammering on Vent and I couldn't hear the story and found myself restarting it once I shut off chat.
Long, long ago, I was in a RP guild called Shadowclan and we took the role playing so far as to have an official pseudo language with specific grammer rules (no e's and c's as I recall) and what not and we almost always stayed in character. So "taking a bio break" became "niid to find a bushi" or Hello to you became "Ug dir lat" (there were many total word replacements)
Well, enough of the grammer lesson, point is, while that system was great fun via text, I can't see myself trying to LARP it in a voice channel, just not happening.
So I do the best I can, I use voice chat when "necessary" or feeling charitable, but otherwise you will likely find me logged off of vent and listening to a different soundtrack.
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The Ms. R Water Bottle from Liberty has a wide mouth threadless design. It makes it easy to clean and to add ice cubes for cold drinks. PRODUCT FEATURES: The ONLY American made metal bottle in the marketplace Recycled and Recyclable. Liberty Bottles are the ONLY bottle to be made from recycled materials Deep Drawn Aluminum Construction. Less dents, greater durability, and precision construction Drink Confidently. Flexible Food Grade Coatings insure no chips or flakes end up in your water. Unlike uncoated metal bottles, our coating insures no heavy metal leaching or porous surface for bacteria build up Simple 1/4 turn on/off design (patent pending). No more turning and turning Splash free drinking. The gradually tapered neck mimics the smooth pour of a wine bottle Fight Hunger! Buy art from your local starving artist. We do! We search out local, small, and unique artists Commitment to safety. Liberty Bottles exceed FDA requirements, are nontoxic and non-leaching
- Appalachian Outdoors
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Liquid Solution Ms. R Water Bottle - 24oz
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The Liquid Solution Ms. R Water Bottle - 24oz is not available from the stores we monitor. It was last seen November 13, 2012 at Appalachian Outdoors.
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The world's Largest choice - the home of quality liquorice
Love your liquorice?.. So do we!
In fact we have such a passion for all things liquorice that we're determined to offer our customers the world's largest and widest choice of liquorice. So, what's your pleasure? Sweet or salty? Soft or hard? Sugar free, gluten free or both, it doesn't matter because you'll find something to suit your taste here. You can search by country of origin, liquorice type, manufacturer or brand, all you have to do is decide on the quantity you want, place your order and then wait for delivery.
From an irresistible Raspberry and White Chocolate Liquorice to a luxurious Milk Chocolate Almond covered in Liquorice Powder.
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Salty liquorice: The not-so-sweet sweet
By Mark Bosworth BBC World Service
Salty liquorice is an acquired taste - and many in Finland, Scandinavia and the Netherlands learn to love its sharp, sour flavours during childhood. But for those who are introduced to it later in life, the black stuff can be hard to stomach.
This was obviously some sort of test.
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Sorel Premium Utility Boot
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Item # dsw12prod4230063
A manly utility boot that is not only functional, but looks cool, too! The 1964 Premium boot from Sorel will brighten up your gloomiest day and keeps your feet protected from the harsh outdoor elements.
- Combination canvas, leather, and natural rubber upper
- Round toe
- Back ankle pull tab
- Removable fleece lined insole
- Waterproof rubber traction sole
- Imported
By: jrhodes84
Location: Arlington, VA
March 25, 2013
"Love these boots! I ordered a half size larger than what I normally wear (on account of my wide feet) and the fit is fantastic. The removable felt liner keeps my feet nice and warm--perfect for the kind of rain/winter weather we get in VA."
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