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November 13 2012 11:13AM
The first time I saw Pavel Bure was at Northlands (now Rexall Place) when he played against Canada's under-17 Team Pacific. I was in the building watching my brother Colin play for Canada, but two minutes into the game Bure stood out. I remember literally hating the Russians before the game started, however, as the game went on I couldn't take my eyes of off Bure.
I'd never seen a player skate like him. After the game Colin and I talked about how ridiculously fast and explosive Bure was. My brother was an excellent skater, when he went to NHL camps he was one of the quickest, but he said Bure was on a different level. His first few steps were the quickest I'd ever seen, and he was so fast it seemed he could accelerate even when skating laterally. I was 14 years old when I saw Bure for the first time, and it wasn't until four years later that he surfaced again in the NHL. When he joined the Canucks he was even more exciting than I recalled that cold night at Northlands.
Bure was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame yesterday, a few years too late if you ask me, and during his highlight reel I pondered if I'd seen a more exciting player in the last 30 years. I'm not suggesting Bure was better than Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux, of course not, but as a pure electrifying and dazzling player, there are few who could compare.
I mentioned it briefly on twitter and some suggested Gretzky, Lemieux and Jaromir Jagr were more exciting. I politely disagree. They were all better, no doubt, but they didn't possess Bure's speed, agility or quickness. Of all the great, exciting players I've seen in my life, none were more exciting to me than Bure.
This video is just a glimpse of his greatness.
His ability and skill-set at high-speed is what made him so great. Some other players that I'd put in his category from the past few decades include Denis Savard, Alex Ovechkin, Teemu Selanne, Paul Coffey and for a brief time Alex Mogilny. It is hard to define exciting, because many will say Gretzky has to be at the top of the list. Gretzky was more of a surgeon for me. He could beat you with his brain just as much as his skill, but rarely did he overpower you with blazing speed or a quick release.
Liam McGuire, hockey historian, from Ultimate Hockey responded on twitter with, "I saw Guy Lafleur and Gilbert Perreault. Both were unreal. Bure a great call from last 30 years." He also mentioned Bobby Orr, Maurice Richard and Howie Morenz.
@hockeylegends tossed in another great from years past, Bobby Hull. He literally scared opposing goalies and players with his shot, and his ability to release it in flight.
There are few players who consistently bring you out of your seat. I'd argue that Nail Yakupov and Taylor Hall will be more exciting than Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Jordan Eberle. It won't mean they will be better or more productive; they just have a bit more of an exciting/dazzling edge to their game.
Who else would you put in the category of electrifying during the past 30 years?
Every year I look forward to watching the speeches of the greatest players who've ever played the game. Adam Oates' speech last night was one of the best. He had no cue cards, and spoke from the heart. His line to his wife was awesome, "We met near the end of my career. I wish we could have met a little sooner so you could have seen that I was little bit better of a player." A subtle jab at himself while trying to hold back the tears. Excellent stuff.
See the entire speech here.
And now the debate begins regarding who should get in next year.
Unlike baseball, players need to be nominated to get on the ballot, but you can expect that Scott Niedermayer and Chris Chelios will have no shortage of people willing to recommend them for the HHOF.
Niedermayer is a lock to get in. He overcame spending summers with his cousin Jason Strudwick, they clearly went to different power skating camps, to become one of the best players of his era. One of the top-three skating defencemen to ever play, Coffey and Orr, Niedermayer was a joy to watch.
While Niedermayer was universally loved, Chelios was universally hated by every opposing fan base. He had the rare combination of greatness and agitator. Few star players were as mouthy or as outwardly cocky as Chelios was on the ice, but few competed as hard as he did. He should go in on his first ballot.
Brendan Shanahan didn't go in this year because they only allow four players, but he's 13th all-time in goals, 656, and 25th all-time in points, 1,524. He is the only player in NHL history with over 600 goals and 2,000 PIMs. He should go in.
The fourth spot, if they choose to fill it, will be contested by the likes of Eric Lindros, Rob Blake, Sergei Makarov, Paul Kariya, Jeremy Roenick, Curtis Joseph and Dave Andreychuk.
If I was voting it would be between Lindros and Makarov. Keep in mind it is the Hockey Hall of Fame, not the NHL Hall of Fame, and Makarov never came to the NHL until he was 31. In 11 seasons in Russia he tallied 303 goals and 678 points in only 465 games. He was one of the best players in the world for a decade; he just wasn't playing in the NHL. It is virtually impossible to compare him to those in the NHL because he never played there, but when you saw him play against Canada you could see how great he was.
Lindros exclusion into the Hall seems more about his personality and his overbearing parents, than it does his on-ice ability. He clearly burned a few bridges during his career, but his worthy of getting in. He is 19th all-time in points-per-game at 1.138 with 865 points in 760 games.
For a three year span he was the best player in the game, 1994-1996 and if it wasn't for injuries he likely would have been in the top-30 scorers of all-time.
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November 13 2012, 11:36AM
Either give the last spot to Andreychuk or give it to a builder.
Personally, I dont think they should have to induct 4 players into the Hall every year. I dont know if Kariya belongs there. Roenick definitely doesnt and Cujo doesnt even make it with the Maple Leaf bump.
But most importantly, I hope Lindros never makes it into the Hall of Fame unless they re-do Scott Stevens' plaque to portray him destroying #88.
November 13 2012, 12:14PM
i'm torn between wishing the credentials necessary to make it to HHOF were a lot stiffer, and just letting it be what it is - part popularity contest and part very good skill required.
i think the word greatness is to haphazardly thrown about. many members were never great but really good. imo.
should dominance of a career in a specific era be important or dominance of the game as a whole?
November 13 2012, 12:23PM
I totally agree on Bure. Definitely the most exciting to watch, especially his first few seasons. I always have this argument with my buddies. We're all Oiler fans and I get hammered for even suggesting that Bure was more exciting than Gretzky. The way I saw it, Gretzky and Lemiuex, when you watch them, you can see them develop the play and you knew they were gonna do something awesome. When the play was over, you were like "man that was awesome! are you kidding me?"
WIth Bure, there was no set up. It was like BAM! And you're like "WTF just happenned?"
Can't believe Makarov is not in the HOF. Is that the case for Larionov and ol Kruton too? The KLM line was greatest most dynamic line hockey ever saw for a decade, and they struck fear in the hearts of their opposition like no other. Thats a travesty.
Now at least the Casucks have a player worthy of sticking in the rafters besides all those 3rd liners up there. Pavel Bure was the best Canuck ever...
November 13 2012, 01:30PM
@Matt Henderson
Do you have an arguement against Lindross beyond "I don't like him"? Now, I think someone being a bad person is a decent reason for exclusion, but after Cicarelli got in I think you have a hard time excluding the Big E.
He redefined the position, is THE prototypical hockey player and successfully put it together for a few years before injuries destroyed him. Bruce McCurdy made a pretty good arguement that his junior career alone is enough to get him in. Say what you want, the guy is famous. Isn't that the primary qualification?
EDIT: Everything Gregor said about Bure is true. Can't believe it took that long for him to get in.
November 13 2012, 01:42PM
I tell you what, in a world where Sundin is a first ballot Hall of Famer, Lindros will one day be in there. That said, he went in like a Lion and out like a Lamb. His career wasnt long enough, it wasnt consistent enough, and he finished with under 1000 points.
The thing, the only thing, he has going for him is the fact that he took home some league hardware and for a brief time was the best player in the world.
If that's all that counts then I look forward to seeing Vezina, Hart, and Masterton trophy winner Jose Theodore one day enter the hall of fame as well.
November 13 2012, 02:32PM
@Matt Henderson
YOu have a point with Theodore, but even Lindros' non-peak years were good. He was a seven time all-star. His career PPG is excellent. His international record is all-world. He changed the position. He changed the draft. He changed contract rules. He changed trade rules. True he did some of these things before ever playing a game, but that's because he was one of the most accomplished junior players the world had ever seen.
His career was ultimately dissapointing, but only if compared to what "might have been". Standing on its own it compares very favourably to the careers of Bure, Neely and Lafontaine. Clearly the Hall looks favourably upon guys whose career numbers were cut short by injury. Good news for Forsberg and Kariya too.
Not first ballot? Agreed. I think he belongs.
No argument on Sundin.
He made a lot of pylons out there
November 13 2012, 05:39PM
Bure was my favorite player as a kid, I even hand-wrote him a letter when I was younger and asked for an autographed card, which of course he sent back. I want to get an autographed jersey and put it in a nice display case. What a player! Just too bad it was cut short by injury.
November 13 2012, 07:01PM
if bernie federko can get into the HHOF, eric lindros should be a no brainer.
November 13 2012, 11:02PM
While I see Arch's point that Lindros was not in the league long I would counter he was one of the most dominant players in the league for almost four years. Combination of size and skill not seen before. Good enough for me considering some of the sleds they have let in.
BTW. Might as well let Bonnie in too before she starts stamping her feet.
November 14 2012, 07:34AM
Bure was my favorite player as a kid, I even hand-wrote him a letter when I was younger and asked for an autographed card, which of course he sent back. I want to get an autographed jersey and put it in a nice display case. What a player! Just too bad it was cut short by injury.
Hmmm i remember my cousin, who grew up in BC and was a huge huge huge cancuck/bure fan asking for an autograph in person one day. The response basically was "it costs $_______ kid."
Now maybe its just an old fuzzy memory and that isnt quite right but that impression always stuck with me because my cousin, who is only a few years older than me but who i looked up to, became a bit disenfranchised with Bure.
I remember my favorite Bure moment. On a crappy Canucks team in 1997, he ripped Patrick Roy for a hat trick. If I remember right, all 3 goals (well, at least 2) were break-away 5-hole goals that made Roy look like my midget B goalie. Just a random December game. I also loved when he threw that sweet elbow on Churla. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been passing the concussion tests of nowadays.
November 14 2012, 08:45AM
@Jason Gregor
I have no objection to Neely not being there. Lindros will get there eventually, it has to happen. I'm just not as in love with his career as others.
Shanahan should have been there this year over Sundin.
The only thing Sundin had going for him more than Shanahan was that he played in the center of the universe.
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Zoro has been doing scary faces for ages, that scary face is just a face, not haki. Hence tashigi saying he didn't use haki.
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if you're thinking about whiskey peak, the shemale there did the whole gurgle-kings haki thing.
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I can't recall that zoro's scary face ever petrified people before in that way.
But you guys might be correct and I could be misstaken.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2111-1...hapter-51.html I doubt it was Haki, so it might have been something else. His killing intent is beyond doubt remarkable (http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2606-1...apter-499.html) so maybe his will is able to paralyze people. I'd like that, since Haki has become the new Superpower.
There are, however, two arguments that speak for the Haki-theory. First, the order of the pictures: That Snow-bird is first paralyzed (while Zoro is still far away), then she sees Zoro's scary face. That's why I think that he scared her after she was virtually petrified by Zoro's Haki. If it was haki, it was Haoushoku, because - that's my second argument - you don't have to be captain to possess is. Silver's Rayleigh was vice-captain either.
But I am convinced Zoro will possess the Haoushoku, so I would really prefer this strange power being Azura.
It's just the same aura he gave off to the other Supernova when he was about to slaughter that Tenryuubito--It wasn't Haki then, like it's probably not now. As the chapter implies, Zoro is just "Beast"
Still can't defeat Luffy though. If Zoro is the beast, Luffy is the Beastmaster B-)
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What makes you think Zoro can't beat Luffy? They practically neck to neck on strength. Luffy may have an edge now because of haki but Zoro has always had the fighting style to beat Luffy.
And yeah, what Zoro did was just intimidate Monet. If he had used CoC, Tashigi would have commented on it. Intimidation is borderline haki though.
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Robin Brownlee
September 05 2012 02:15PM
If Milan Hejduk of the Colorado Avalanche can recognize the lay of the land and peel the "C" off his jersey and hand the captaincy over to a teenager like Gabriel Landeskog, why can't Shawn Horcoff do the same with Taylor Hall?
Well, Horcoff can and, in good time, he likely will, but there's absolutely no reason for the third-year Oiler captain to follow Hejduk's lead and hand over the letter to Hall, or anybody else, between now and the start of the 2012-13 NHL season, whenever that is.
I understand the sentiment – and there has been plenty of it in these parts in recent days – that Horcoff, facing a diminished role as his career winds down, could get out in front of the inevitable transition that will see youngsters like Hall, Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins take over as the on-ice leaders of the team. That swing is already underway.
And I get the argument that if Hejduk, a more accomplished and dynamic player in his prime than Horcoff ever was, can give the letter to Landeskog, who is younger than Hall and Eberle, there's no good reason it can't happen here. And that's true. It could, and will, happen. Just not now.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: leaders will lead by nature whether they have a "C" or an "A" on their jersey or not. Hall, a two-time Memorial Cup MVP with the Windsor Spitfires, is one of those players. There's no doubt in my mind he has captain written all over him.
Hall, easily Edmonton's most dynamic player, has given us glimpses of his desire to have a bigger voice on and off the ice with the Oilers, and he did so this spring, long before he and Eberle hit the jackpot with their new contracts.
"As players, we're all maturing," Hall said in response to a question by Jason Gregor when we scrummed him at the end of the season. "I know myself, I'm doing the same thing. In the room I want to be more vocal and try to take that next step.
"I want to be here for a long time. I want to be here when we're the team that's contending and we're in the playoffs and everything like that, so I'm looking forward to kind of taking that next step next year along with Ryan and Jordan and having a bigger voice in the room."
The voice Hall talks about will carry greater weight and resonance in the dressing room moving forward. Horcoff, entering his third year as captain, would have to be exceedingly dim not recognize that. But it's the player, not the letter, teammates respect. The player makes the letter, not vice-versa.
The captaincy, at least in Edmonton, isn't about pinning the letter to the best or most dynamic player. If that was the case, Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish, Kelly Buchberger and Jason Smith, to name just four, would never have worn it with the Oilers. Points totals, popularity and jersey sales aren't the measure.
There is something to be said, especially with a young team like this edition of the Oilers, for experience and gamesmanship and context. Horcoff, despite his shortcomings, brings that. So does Ryan Smyth, also facing a diminished role.
At some point, and in the not-too-distant future, that experience will give way to the dynamic Hall, and it should. I'm guessing that Horcoff, if I know him at all after all these years, will recognize that time when it comes and he'll do exactly what Hejduk just did.
That time is not now.
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September 05 2012, 02:16PM
Most seniors who go hiking, do so accidently. Be careful Shawn.
Where's the youtube link for "the letter" by the box tops?
September 05 2012, 03:01PM
The leadership group in this team, as I can see it from a fan's point of view, might become Hall, Eberle, Whitney, Smid and perhaps Nugent-Hopkins. Lander was often referred to as a potential captain or leader for a team, but at this point I think we have to wait and see if he can stay in the NHL first.
I absolutely agree with your last point. Great read, Robin, thank you.
September 05 2012, 03:06PM
I agree with RB on this one, there's no need to rush Hall or Eberle into a leadership role.
Horcoff is sure getting it from all angles lately; from suggestions of giving his #10 to a rookie, to handing over the captaincy, and finally being targeted for a buyout should contract amnesty be included in the new CBA.
He's already earned some of his salary for the year, just having to sit idly by while rabid fans plot his demise. Reminds me of a Zappa lyric: "Ain't got no friends, and all the others they hate me."
September 05 2012, 03:26PM
I am starting to get on the bandwagon that Horcoff deserves what he is making simply due to the treatment he gets from fans & media. Until he goes to another team or personally gives Hall or Eberle the "C" there should be absolutely no discussing of naming a new captain. Sure this will be the kids team in less than 5 years but what does that say to your older players that bleed copper & blue for years "thanks for showing up but because your over 30 your value to the team doesn't mean much".
Personally I can't wait for this team to move away from the "Grinder Captain" paradigm. MacTavish, Corson, Buchberger, Smith, Moreau and now Horcoff. For the last 20 years only Doug Weight was the "Best Player Captain". All of those other guys worked hard, blocked shots, got the crap beaten out of them (Bucky), were vocal in the dressing room and when the game was on the line, they were either on the bench or firing a puck directly into the goalies crest. At most, they could change the tempo of a game with a big hit or solid defensive play. Horcoff had a few solid years but has settled into his third line grinder heritage.
When this team was great, we had captains that would not only lead in the dressing room, they would go out there and win the game. They lead from the front. The difference they made on the ice was more powerful than anything you can say in the room. Hall is that type of guy.
Robin remarked: "...leaders will lead by nature whether they have a "C" or an "A" on their jersey or not" is absolutely correct.
It really doesn't matter if Horcoff hangs on to the C for an indeterminate time; the real leaders have already begun to take their place on the team.
By the way, who in the organization determines the ACs and Cs?
If it is important to Horcoff to hang on to the C and answer media questions with monotone and short, meaningless answers, so be it. It just makes him appear to be the jerk that many believe he is.
On another point, all this matters little in the big picture, an imminent NHL lockout by the owners and the loss of a partial season or, as in the last iteration, the whole season.
September 05 2012, 04:15PM
Some teams let the players vote on captains and alternates, some award the positions.
That's quite an ability you have; being able to judge a person's personality by watching the occasional clip on tv. Can you bend spoons with your mind as well?
September 05 2012, 04:30PM
Remembering back to last season Hall wasnt getting the calls and the reffs were not giving him the time of day.I do believe its to early for him to get the C.Hallzy has yet to gain the respect of the officials and that could hurt the team.In do time.
September 05 2012, 04:57PM
You haven't noticed the Horcoff's responses to answers during the scrums after the games?
This isn't about his real character. It is about his approach to play the role of C when your team loses more than it wins. This approach may work for him, but it comes at a cost as people perceive what they want to perceive.
You seem pretty smart. I'll bet you can bend spoons too.
September 05 2012, 05:07PM
The oilers just made a large financial commitment to Hall, they do not need to pin the "C" on him right now. Let Horcs deal with any of the pressure associated with being a NHL captain. Let Hall focusin on going out and earning the large contract the Oil just gave him.
Let him grow into the role, not pushed into it.
Off topic but a question for you RB. On you blog yesterday someone made the mistake of fisting your post. As anyone who comes here knows (hell I was mad the first time it happened to me) this does not fly on your blogs. One thing though, on the precipe of being fun, you need to come up with an Oilersnation term to add into the glossary of getting 'Brownleed'. To me, that is any one of us monkey's that decides to fist your posts and the following comment you decide to replace it with. I am sure you can come up with a better term, but in fun for us readers, I think it is something that needs to be added to the ON glossary.
On the other note, Totally agree with you RB. That time will come, it is not today. That 'C' will make its way onto the proper chest in the next couple of years and the people in charge of it will know when the time is right. Having a Captain that can't even legally enter a bar in a fair number of states kind of sounds funny. Not saying you need to enter a bar to be a Captain but it carries more weight when you want to have a meeting with the boys at a pub instead of Denny's or McDonalds. Just sayin.
September 05 2012, 05:21PM
My sentiments exactly, Robin! Amen!
September 05 2012, 05:28PM
Personally I can't wait for this team to move away from the "Grinder Captain" paradigm. MacTavish, Corson, Buchberger, Smith, Moreau and now Horcoff. For the last 20 years only Doug Weight was the "Best Player Captain". All of those other guys worked hard, blocked shots, got the crap beaten out of them (Bucky), were vocal in the dressing room and when the game was on the line, they were either on the bench or firing a puck directly into the goalies crest. At most, they could change the tempo of a game with a big hit or solid defensive play. Horcoff had a few solid years but has settled into his third line grinder heritage.
When this team was great, we had captains that would not only lead in the dressing room, they would go out there and win the game. They lead from the front. The difference they made on the ice was more powerful than anything you can say in the room. Hall is that type of guy.
Agree 100%.
Just take a look at just about every other NHL captain in he league.
September 05 2012, 06:26PM
I know that media scrums would be difficult to deal with at the best of times, let alone on the worst team in the league, in a town that eats players like Gilbert for fun.
September 05 2012, 06:54PM
A real man bends spoons with other people's minds.
Specifically their skulls.
I dunno, but I look at that pic of Horcoff and I swear it's him on the ice saying...
"Derp Derp Derp"
Look closely...
What's wrong with an exemplary hard working take it for the team never complaining (overpaid) soldier staying on as Captain?
WTH is the rush?
Cant believe Im the first to say this BUT, why don't you start him off with an "A" first then make him captain later on, jus sayin
September 05 2012, 07:46PM
Whoever has earned the most stitches in an Oiler's uniform should be Captain! Especially if it turns out that he bleeds blue!
September 05 2012, 08:34PM
little off topic RB, do you know if the oilers would have had the 2nd overall pick did they have there sites set on murray if they hadnt won the lottery? just curious about the truth on how close the selection of yak(n64) over murray was?
September 05 2012, 08:39PM
Also like to add n64 is the only guy I`ve ever seen(vidio) that shoots remotely close to the way brett hull shot.
September 05 2012, 08:50PM
What ever happened to earning your stripes and having that experience be recognized?
September 05 2012, 10:35PM
Great read Brownlee! "The player makes the letter, not vice-versa." - sums it up perfectly.
September 06 2012, 12:16AM
I saw Hemsky in Nice in July-he told me he will be passing his A to Eberle at the beginning of the season.(E8)
It can't feel great to know as a player that you are a lightning-rod for criticism deserved or not.
Horcoff's early history with the fans was somewhat critical from the start. The real turning point came though with the "Contract".
That put too much of a bright light on Horcoff and suddenly his play came under much more scrutiny.
He managed to ingratiate himself with Lowe and MacT and that was all she wrote. They panic-signed him and in summary they didn't make his stay here very comfortable.
It can't feel great knowing that many fans are waiting to throw a party when you finally leave.
I'm not saying any of this is fair necessarily but who would want a burr like that under your saddle for 15 or 16 years of your career?
September 06 2012, 08:33AM
I remember when i called for Horcoff to be captain over Moreau . Fans thought i was crazy and i took quite a bashing for even thinking it . Time now for Horcoff to stand down , and hand the reigns over to the youngsters , and take on a diminished assistance role .
September 06 2012, 08:47AM
One thing the Oilers are good at is rushing their kids.
No rush with the captaincy give it time and it will work itself out.
September 06 2012, 08:53AM
I'm thinking Colorado is pinning the C on Landeskog because he's really the only one eft standing.
Who would you give it to there?.... I hear crickets.
Edmonton is full of "leaders" - Whitney, Hall, Smyth, Eberle, Nuge, Gagner, and to a lesser degree Smid.
There is no rush to change Captains as of yet, just like RB and others have said already.
The seed has barely sprouted - let it grow a bit first.
September 06 2012, 09:55AM
Time and time again we see referees failing to give a young player the benefit of the doubt or respect that is given to an older player. We'd be stupid to hand the C over to any player still facing that bias.
September 06 2012, 10:07AM
ROB: Did you not see how Moreau got no slack being captain as aging captain ? Penalty after penalty in crucial areas of game . Sorry , don't buy your argument !
September 06 2012, 11:05AM
You misunderstand my argument. A captain and the assistants number one job is to communicate with the officials, something hindered by a bias against those perceived as rookies. Nowhere in the rulebook does it state that wearing a letter absolves you of your own stupid behavior; something Moreau never seemed to learn.
September 06 2012, 01:20PM
Agree 100%.
Just take a look at just about every other NHL captain in he league.
I also 100% agree a captain should be the player that all the other players want to be, when the Oil had the great capitains of the 80's it was a total different mentality to win not just to make it. Your capitain needs to be the player that makes everyone around him better. Great teams have great captains average teams have grinders as captains
September 06 2012, 02:57PM
...get out the boo birds for this take ... Taylor Hall needs to move forward with the "C" as soon as training camp starts because... he needs to mature both in physical stature and more importantly from a mantality point of view...i think , given the "C", he could greatly benefit by having and learning of the on AND off ice discipline it takes to lead a team...the team everybody says is already his?...Hall as Captain would not be out at the bar all night long ...Hall as Captain would not be skating around taking unnecessary chances as much and getting injuried as much either ... Hall as Captain could be the Captain of the this franchises' future... now! whereas, please tell me if i'm wrong, Shawn Horcoff must surely recognize that he is NOT!and never will be... ...and finally Hall as Captain would be obliged to put an end (somehow) to the ridiculous Hall & Ebs 'big boy beds' stupid insulting cartoon piece on the radio as well...being the Captain is serious business...
September 06 2012, 06:49PM
I am with the gang, that says wait at least one more year to give the "C" to Hall.I think at this point he is heir to the letter.but Horcoff should maintain it for this year at least.Hall, has the skill, outgoing personality etc, but I think he needs to mature a bit more . Stand back and see how other captains in the league operate. For one thing, you cannot be a whiner, otherwise the ref's, will never give you or your team a break.
September 07 2012, 06:43AM
September 07 2012, 11:20AM
I for one agree with the article........no need to rush this changing of the captaincy.
I believe that the best captain is the one that shows the greatest passion, heart, and drive.........talent aside.
Whoever has earned the most stitches in an Oiler's uniform should be Captain! Especially if it turns out that he bleeds blue!
i think smyth might be at the head of the line with this after taking that zone clearing shot by pronger in the chops in 06....ouch.
September 08 2012, 12:20PM
Good read,thank you for the thoughtful insights.
I believe that aside from putting a box in the corner and giveing everyone a vote there is only one logical choice beyond Horcoff,and that is Sam Gagner.
Sam is an established NHLer who has gained the respect of his peers the coaches and the NHL referees,Sam is respectfull but not a pushover,he is intense and has a voice but he DOES NOT WHINE HE ACTS LIKE A PROFESSIONAL.
Sam fights for his teammates not himself and he has excellent grasp of the moment in games ,he knows when to do the proper things to keep the team rolling in the right direction,his leadership qualitys are becomeing overwhelming to be frank.Gagner works for 60 mins every night,and what you get in minute one you get in minute 60,that is serious leadership,and if anyone watches the 8 pt night tapes please watch the FACES of the players Sam is LEADING out on the ice,they are BLOWN AWAY by the overwhelming command of the entire ice surface Sam teaches them how to execute,Sam is the only player we have with Pedigree that is ANYWHERE NEAR becomeing a Captain,he is a high pick who boxed up his offensive tendencies and learned defence very young,he was forged under pressure and he was lucky enough to have been put in positions where he recieved critical minutes through wins and losses teaching him to be accountable for every step he makes out there for 60 mins.
We have at least five men who would become Captains on many NHL teams.
But the perfect storm only exists for one of them and thats Sam Gagner,the timeing is perfect the evolution of his career is perfect the ages of the core are a perfect fit to respect him and what he has done since he was 18,the young guys KNOW sam understands evry step they are going through,and i will end with the Big Night because when i am prepareing myself to walk into the fires of hades and I look to my right,I want to see the man who can put up 8 pts,the man who can in two games break a team record owned by the Great One,I dont care how much everyone else is willing to bleed beside me,I AM WILLING TO BLEED but i NEED a superpower in human flesh beside me to take me into the flames without fear.
All respect to the many leaders we currently have here,but if we are talking future,there is only one way to go and that is forward the same direction Sam Gagner has grown for his entire career to date.Truth is Sam is ready now and he has pushed the schedule forward on his own.
Is there going to be a change in the room??Well I have faith in Horcoffs ability to feel the moment,he is a professional,if anything I would like to see him keep the C this year and make a career statement for himself,then hand the C to Sam at the end of our Stanley cup parade after we blow up the NHL with the NHS.
Hallsy has work to do,he doesnt need the letter right now,he knows he hasnt earned it with offense,and he hasnt earned it by sacrificeing for the team enough yet,he also knows he will soon have done all of these things and will have his day,I dont believe he is obsessed with it at all,I think he wants to WIN plain and simple,and just wants to get down to chopping heads already.He doesnt care who leads the charge as long as he has a front seat for all the action.
I think all of our young core are win orientated,and I seriously doubt they care who has the C as long as that man works as hard as they do to WIN games every night.You will earn the respect of the young guns if you show their desire to win and if you work harder than them every night,you need the passion to be burning and you need the physical endurance to outwork them or at least push them to work harder.
I think this is the year where we see our next Captain emerge,the hows and whys defeat me as I am a fan,not a pro,but this has to be the year as per the ages and curve of the evolution of this group,the core is set already so we can make these analysis pretty darn accurate as far as when things need to happen,names are impossible to nail down but times sure arent,everything has a shelflife. Somehow i get this memory that our Captains usually get traded or leave immediatly after the pass the letter?? If history repeats we will see Horccs gone before the deadline unless we are ripping it up.
Landeskog may not be ready yet,that was a questionable move,now we will all may get to see the worst side of early exposure to the NHL and its pressures.Sad for Landy,but then again he got lucky when Nuge was hurt as it pumped up his value,had Nuge smashed him by 20 points then he would be in a different dynamic.Never look a gift-horse in the mouth as they say.
September 08 2012, 05:44PM
I think were all on the outside looking in and making our best guesse.
It should be the team that picks the C not the fans or to a lesser degree the owners/managment let the players vote on there capten for all we know hoc could be as respected by his teammates as he is disrespected by his fans
September 08 2012, 09:50PM
I remember when i called for Horcoff to be captain over Moreau . Fans thought i was crazy and i took quite a bashing for even thinking it . Time now for Horcoff to stand down , and hand the reigns over to the youngsters , and take on a diminished assistance role .
They thought YOU were crazy???
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The 106-year-old part of the house is built in the English Tudor style. Salen says it will be restored, too.
He said the house was the first on campus built for a fraternity.
The rebuilt 24,000-square foot house will have room for 71 people.
The fraternity hopes it can move back in by August 2015.


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A phone survey conducted by a group that supports the current Douglas County School District board outraged many who attempted to take it.
Dozens of people report that the automated survey would not register any response that expressed disagreement with the school board and the changes it's made.
Additionally, the Douglas County Democrats said a statement made about them in the survey is false.
Randy Reed, who runs the Douglas County Education Alliance that conducted the survey, said he found no problems with the recorded call.
"The survey worked fine," Reed wrote in an email.
The former mayor of Castle Rock summarized criticism of the survey's mechanics as "the trumped-up outrage of this week from the (teachers') union."
But DCSD parents Connie Ingram, Cristin Patterson and dozens of others who took the survey insist it was faulty.
The recorded message lists changes made under the current school board, including "a pay-for-performance plan for teachers, expanded school choice and charter schools" and discontinuation of paying a portion of union officers' salaries. It concludes by asking the caller to press "1" if they support the board's reforms, "2" if they disagree, and "3" if they're not sure.
Ingram said the survey wouldn't accept the "2" response.
"I pressed '2' and nothing happened," said Ingram, who received the call at her Highlands Ranch home July 16. "So I kept pressing '2,' and it would go back to repeating the question. Finally, I hung up."
"I believe it was deliberate the number '2' answer is not accepted," she said. "But I would be curious if they called back and I pressed '1', to see what happens."
Patterson said both she and her husband had similar experiences.
"I pressed '2' and there was a long, long, long pause; then it returns to the questions again," she said. "It made us feel like 'Yep, that's about par for the course — the people conducting the survey don't want anyone to disagree."
Reed said the DCEA survey reached thousands of Douglas County residents, and data gathered from those calls includes an assortment of "1," "2" and "3" responses.
"We will be happy to share those internal results when the ACLU and the AFL-CIO drop their various lawsuits with the district, and these liberal attack groups admit that test scores are up, the dropout rate is down and that they are really just trying to create a bogus boogeyman that distracts from the fact that every metric shows this school district is improving and moving forward," Reed wrote in his email.
The recording also states that groups including the local Democratic Party "have outspokenly opposed the school board."
Douglas County Democrats' chairman Mike Jones said that's not true.
"As a party, we haven't made any official statement on the school board," he said. "Since it's a nonpartisan race, we would tend to stay neutral on it."
Teachers' union president Brenda Smith said concerns about the DCEA survey aren't union-related.
"Obviously, this is the drum that they're going to beat," she said. "This is just a way they're belittling the parent and community concerns that are out there. They would love to make this a union issue instead of what it really is — a community issue. This is a huge concern across the school district in general."
The AFL-CIO is the umbrella organization for U.S. unions, including the Douglas County Federation teachers' union.
The ACLU is among those who filed suit against the district in 2011 over its voucher program, in a fight that could go before the Supreme Court. The DCF filed suit against DCSD in February 2013, alleging unfair hiring practices and termination of a sick-leave bank. The suit has not yet gone to court.


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By Barry Levine. Updated November 25, 2012 7:48AM
Is Windows 8, now three weeks past its launch, becoming the success Microsoft envisions? While the technology giant can find some encouraging news, there are also a variety of warning clouds on the horizon.
Various analysts' sales projections are among the warnings. Over the past week, Deutsche Bank analyst Chris Whitmore issued a research note that his company expects Windows 8 will have a "more muted impact" on increased buying demand of PCs because of "mixed" reviews that are due to a "confusing UI" or user interface, a lack of enterprise interest, and a complicating Windows 8 versus Windows RT positioning in the tablet market.
User Complaints
The Windows 8/RT tablet positioning refers to the fact that tablets are coming into the marketplace with the two different versions of Windows, depending on whether the processor is ARM-based or Intel's. As the two versions have different capabilities, industry observers have questioned whether this will create marketplace confusion.
The "confusing UI" comment was echoed also in last week's report by usability expert Jakob Nielsen, who said the interface formerly known as Metro "smothers usability with big colorful tiles while hiding needed features."
Another analyst, Brian White of Topeka Capital Markets, has similarly lowered sales expectations for Windows 8-based PCs, in his case based on manufacturing orders from computer makers in Asia. Microsoft has not issued sales figures to date, although CEO Steve Ballmer said in October that over 4 million upgrade copies were sold in the first weekend of general availability and "tens of millions" of copies had been delivered to OEM manufacturers.
In a story published online, Fortune magazine's Cyrus Sanati wrote about extensive problems he encountered when he tried to upgrade to Windows 8 from a supposedly compatible Windows 7 machine. Sanati said the experience was mirrored in similar complaints on Facebook and Twitter by other users, including consistent crashes by applications, driver incompatibility and other issues.
In his own personal experience of attempting an upgrade, Sanati first found that his touchpad and screen dimmer didn't work properly, audio was "spotty," the screen flickered, and the installer required to download updated drivers was incompatible. That was followed by a dead hard drive apparently caused by Windows 8 "incompatibility issues with solid-state drives," he said. After other issues made his computer unusable, Microsoft tech support eventually decided that his computer "simply wasn't compatible" with the new OS.
Our Readers Weigh In
Many of our own readers have expressed their opinions about working with the new Windows system. Following a recent story here about the lack of the traditional Start menu, for example, more than two dozen commenters expressed their mostly negative reactions to the Start-less Windows 8 and related concerns.
One reader, Vladimir Zlvadinovic, posted that the lack of a "Start menu is a major deal-breaker for me." He added that it was "absolute madness" to make ARM-based tablets that can still display the "traditional desktop" interface, but that don't have the ability to run legacy Windows x86 apps.
"If ARM was used, then there should not been a traditional desktop at ALL and Windows RT should have been called Metro 8," he proposed.
Another reader, Floske Tuf, said the Windows 8 interface was "ruined" because of no Start menu and button, no "Aero" styling in the classic interface, and "no possibility" to choose the desktop interface as the default interface.
Ron K.:
Posted: 2013-02-06 @ 4:29pm PT
Microsoft could easily fix many of the problems and annoyances in Windows 8 interface. Unfortunately, they really aren't as concerned about users like Apple Computers is. Remember when they came out with the "Bob" interface a number of years ago? It was stupid, and the same people were involved in Win 8 UI.
Posted: 2012-12-26 @ 8:15am PT
It is vague..download with no choice to "run" program. Where did the download go? I feel captured. I loaded Firefox yesterday to escape audio and visual adds popups. My computer is my private space..no intrusive adverts!
Posted: 2012-12-23 @ 4:00am PT
Just have a new HP with windows 8 and after about a week I can say I Hate this form or lack of form.
Posted: 2012-12-16 @ 8:31pm PT
my windows 8 can't open youtube
Posted: 2012-12-13 @ 4:22am PT
I'm sure that Windows 8 would be great on a tablet style machine, but on a laptop it leaves a lot to be desired. Can I have windows 7 back, please?
Frank T:
Posted: 2012-12-12 @ 7:52pm PT
Sucks. A nightmare. Lost all the stuff I had on AOL. Tried to uninstall, but they blocked that. Trying to decide wheter to use my laptop for an anchor or as a target
Posted: 2012-12-10 @ 5:41am PT
First time I have ever hated a Windows update. Every other update was embraced with open arms even though I did have to learn the differences. But this cr@p they call an OS now is just a total step in the wrong direction. I mean jeesh, I've got to google to find out just how to turn the thing off. Good job keeping the thing intuitive. Like many others, Microsoft has finally given me enough reason to spend the extra money and head over to Apple. Goodbye!
Craig Stewart:
Posted: 2012-12-09 @ 4:55am PT
I agree about the start menu not being present. Ridiculous!I believe Microsoft has taken some steps backwards on Windows 8. Eye Candy is a great strategy for marketing! But when you give up functionality you lose! Microsoft has had a few losers over the years, and I feel this one is headed that way!
Posted: 2012-12-08 @ 8:11pm PT
I have just recently bought windows 8 pro and I think it's amazing, one of the best things Microsoft has brought out. I say it better than windows 7 and faster. It's well worth buying and don't miss out cause when u see it for yourself you will fall in love. Yes it is complicated but when u get used to it, then you won't want to leave it alone. My rating is a five star and I give it 100% for its speed etc. Buy it now and enjoy it. I am and so are many more people.
Posted: 2012-12-01 @ 6:16pm PT
I love Windows 8, own a Surface RT, and a Windows 8 phone. I love the marriage of all the platforms and the deep integration. Finally! SkyDrive is the bomb.
Posted: 2012-11-27 @ 12:14pm PT
Upgraded to Windows 8 and have been sorry ever since.
Posted: 2012-11-26 @ 12:18am PT
It stinks
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 11:33pm PT
Thanks for the balanced article. It's always nice to hear both the positive and negative comments from users trying a new product.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 9:09pm PT
The keyboard defaults to another one when W8 is first run if you are not in the States. This can be changed via the control panel. Otherwise the OS is an ugly nightmare that requires extensive beating with the old mod stick to make it usable. Love this ugly beast though, once it's tamed.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 7:17pm PT
I downloaded Windows 8 for my new desktop. Hate the absence of the start menu. When I try to enter information in a website or in an e-mail, symbols will not type out, such as: the @ sign for an e mail address, the $ sign, etc. When I try to get assistance from Microsoft, I am forwarded to an independent IT company that wants $90.00 to help me with a software issue....NO WAY
Wendy m.:
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 6:03pm PT
Do not like windows 8, too different from any prior windows systems, too big of a change for someone who's not a techie. Will not buy a new computer with the windows 8 system!!
greg p:
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 4:01pm PT
I upgraded my windows 7 quad core gaming PC to Windows 8, but am regretting it. I would not recommend Windows 8 for a laptop or desktop computer, it is more for a tablet style of device.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 3:58pm PT
Hate Windows 8. Completely insane OS. Stupid. Takes 3 times as long to do simple things. If I had the money, I'd get a Macbook Pro and give the finger to Microsoft forever.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 3:40pm PT
Two new HP laptops both have issues with win 8 updating. When it updates the machines, both fail and revert back to original settings knocking out the wifi and causing you to repair the updater. So at this stage, I'm strongly looking at deleting this rubbish and running on Linux.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 3:00pm PT
Using Windows 8 since its release on a non touch desktop and it's a joy. By now, whenever I use a computer at school (windows 7), I catch myself hovering the cursor to the lower left corner and laugh at myself because I realize that nothing will happen by doing so... I wonder if there are any other users experiencing this or if I am just a really weird being :)
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 2:55pm PT
@Merril: Want to know the funny thing about hitting the Windows Key and typing the program's name? This was in Windows 7 since day one. The box "Search programs and files" is basically just that. I personally found it very obvious but I also tend to experiment around with a new OS.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 2:16pm PT
Microsoft is suffering from what Nissan did in 1999: They have stopped listening to their customers. A number of the Beta & pre-Beta reviewers were super happy with Win8 so long as they could turn off the (then called) "Metro" interface and just have a desktop. MS removed this ability during their beta cycle so now we are all stuck with the "Metro" interface.
Every complaint here clearly shows that the new Win8 UI stinks. It is not intuitive or groundbreaking. The omission of or hiding of components we take for granted (the start button, the power button, a DVD video driver, etc) simply proves that MS is short sited, not "forward thinking". With MS, most major releases mean re-learning what you already knew. No difference here.
Win8 will fall on the down-side along with Vista and Windows ME. Oh -- and Windows Server 2012 will fall short next to Windows Server 2008 (before R2), which BTW MS started GIVING to some of their Enterprise customers because (IMO) they know it was a 1/2 baked OS.
Sorry MS... Good luck with Windows 9.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 1:57pm PT
Well it seems that a lot of people are just spoiled or lazy...lol.
Windows 8 is very easy to use but you have to be willing to learn the new features and gestures of this new operating system and it appears that a lot of people are not willing to do this. I love my Windows 8 Pro and have converted it to look and operate just the way my windows 7 did. You can't be lazy people or you will miss out on this great version of Windows.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 1:37pm PT
Love the new live tile interface. Absolutely no problems with the omission of a 'Start' menu. I actually find it easier to access the programs and features I need. Hit the Windows key, start typing the program name and the index takes care of the rest. A quick glance at the home screen puts you in the know immediately without the need to launch apps. It's like a car dashboard. Clear, concise information in an instant. I opted for the upgrade from Windows 7 to 8. Process went extremely well... takes longer than a fresh install but well worth the time you'd consume reinstalling all your desktop applications.
Stability is A+ though I do take issue with ATI/AMD's stance of relegating my crossfire video cards as legacy (just use Windows 7 drivers, skip the AMD/ATI legacy package). Funny things is that ATI still sells the very graphics hardware residing on my system. If you are upgrading, note that the system WILL provide you with a list of any known compatibility issues before proceeding.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 1:33pm PT
I upgraded to win 8 on day of release and was determined to stay with it. Three weeks later I reverted to win 7. Why? Win 8 feels like half an os. Sure, you can use it as a desktop os (with Classic Shell), but you never forget all the junk straddling several screens off to the "right". Win 8 may be fast, but it is not "clean".
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 1:14pm PT
Windows 8 starts with an irritating clock screen that requires an extra click to get to the log in screen. The start button is missing. The control panel and shutdown commands require several unnecessary clicks. All these problems can be corrected by creating shortcuts, but Microsoft shouldn't have made it so hard to do in the first place.
The start page is an ADHD nightmare. The continual updates are distracting... who cares what is trending on Bing or wants to see random travel pictures. These can be downsized and moved off screen to the right.
The biggest irresolvable problem I've found so far is that the desktop taskbar disappears when in the app mode. It's nice to have reminder of the time and remaining battery power without having to consciously toggle to a clock app or the desktop. I'm not impressed with Windows 8. An OS should make things easier, not get in the way.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 12:27pm PT
Before I upgraded my laptop I used Clonezilla to create an image of my Windows 7 disk. Good thing I did that. I was able to restore Windows 7 without issue.
Problem 1: A laptop is not a tablet. The desktop graphics were degraded for no apparent reason other than they could be. When you pay for serious hardware you don't want the operating system preventing full use of said hardware. I use very expensive Adobe Products on my laptop and desktop. I expected better. Classic shell will give you back the desktop start button but why when I can just go back to Windows 7 and be done with it.
Problem 2: I don't see the difference between Android icons and tiles except size and shape. They all do the same thing. It's like everyone thinks that changing the shape and color of the same thing Android has make it different. I find it annoying to see so many people fall for marketing ploys.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 11:11am PT
I bought the upgrade for two machines a few weeks ago. My wife loves it. I have complaints about it. When you want to watch a video, it defaults to the app version. Yes it has some nice graphics when copying from one location to another or the task manager performance screen offers alot of information. The downside is the app version of a program is different than the desktop version. I feel this is a tablet only version, and I will be downgrading it within the next hour. In the future, I will not be an early adopter for a new windows os.
Gary Roberts:
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 10:19am PT
The no start menu complaint will be short lived once people understand how much more flexible and useful the new system is than the old start menu. More and more Start screen apps are coming, making the Start screen much more appealing. There are already over 13,000 apps for the Start screen in Microsoft's store. Further, Windows 8 has a much faster boot time. The system requires less memory and runs all Windows 7 programs. Win 8 is equally easy to use with a mouse and keyboard as it is using touch.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 9:17am PT
I have been using windows 8 for a month and I am loving it. It just takes some time to get on top of the newer interface, but I find its lots of fun to do so. The new start screen is a perfect replacement for the start menu, and I adore it.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 8:52am PT
I have 8 and find it more confusing as I see more of it. I have not found a single feature that is superior to 7. MS should offer a free downgrade to 7.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 8:33am PT
No confusion in the real world. Just hacks without any talent for original ideas.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 8:33am PT
Microsoft needs to start work on the ninth version of Windows soon, because most people just don't like 8. I expect them to release 9 in the next 3 yrs or they'll be crushed. People would stick with XP and 7.
Posted: 2012-11-25 @ 8:17am PT
Check out this story for additional user feedback on Windows 8: Will Microsoft Restore the Start Menu to Windows 8?
Judge OKs $22.5 Million FTC Fine on Google
By Adam Dickter / CIO Today. Updated November 20, 2012.
A federal judge has agreed to a $22.5 million settlement in the Federal Trade Commission's case against Google for tinkering with Apple's Safari browser to make it easier to track users' activity via mobile ads.
The fine is the toughest ever leveled by the government watchdog agency, but not the first slap against the Mountain View, Calif-based technology giant.
The two sides agreed to the settlement in August, after an investigation into code that allowed Google to bypass Apple's privacy settings on its browser for the iPhone and iPad. This was accomplished by adding +1 Google -- recommendations to ads produced by Google's DoubleClick ad agency, which cleverly allowed Safari to accept cookies, snippets of data. The code was discovered by a Stanford University researcher who reported his findings to The Wall Street Journal.
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Google said it didn't know its code was having that effect on computers and immediately discontinued the code after the Journal's report.
Members of Congress demanded an investigation, and the FTC said Google had violated an October 2011 settlement in which it promised to behave itself on privacy issues. The tracking code was a misrepresentation to consumers regarding Google's privacy policies, the FTC said.
""The record-setting penalty in this matter sends a clear message to all companies under an FTC privacy order," said Jon Leibowitz, chairman of the FTC. "No matter how big or small, all companies must abide by FTC orders against them and keep their privacy promises to consumers, or they will end up paying many times what it would have cost to comply in the first place."
The fine is a huge jump from the $25,000 fine leveled by the FTC just last April because of personal data obtained by the company's Street View cars, which capture images for Google Maps, obtained from Wi-Fi routers.
But some say the fine is still too paltry for Google to feel it. Google earns $22.5 million about every four hours, according to an estimate by the group Consumer Watchdog.
Europe Is Tougher
"I think this is too small to change behavior," said consultant Rob Enderle of the Enderle Group. "Amounts like this are easily fit in the cost of doing business for a company of this size. It likely needs to be two magnitudes bigger to convince the company to change behavior. Fines this low are little more than a small annoyance."
Enderle noted that it took a fine of $1.44 billion against software giant Microsoft leveled by the European Union before the company changed its licensing practices.
"The EU has been far more effective than the U.S. of late addressing bad corporate behavior," Enderle told us.
In addition to the fine, the order also requires Google to disable all the tracking cookies it had said it would not place on consumers' computers.
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Hmmmmmm, I'm not sure, it all depends on how many jutsu Madara could use. After all, Kakashi became famous because he could use most of the jutsu has saw, seemingly indifference to other Uchiha (though it all depends on when he became famous), though Itachi seemed to have a similar style without using his MS (adjusting the jutsu he acquired to the type of battlefield).
Wait a minute, this would make logical what Itachi said, that Hashirama's Chakra would quickly resupply/replenish Kotoamatsukami :O. He knew about it, because Hashirama already proved it with Madara's/Izuna's eyes :O ? Still, I don't think that Hashirama awakened Rinnegan. It took decades before Madara's EMS turned into Rinnegan. Frankly speaking it sounds fishy, it's like someone aided him without him noticing, like the older Brother or someone. It make no sense that after weakening because of the old age, the eyes got stronger. Unless the near death experience is what was the final key to awakening it.
I was rereading some chapters and noticed that Dan recognized Naruto as Nawaki, saying that they look exactly the same (http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-cha...8-page-12.html). For Naruto to look just like him, might mean that one of his parents have strong blood ties with Nawaki's parents, hinting at Minato being quite closely related to the Senju (sine Uzumaki have split form Senju long ago), or the other non-senju parent (in case one of them were not Senju).
The Edo Tensei is really broken. The Madara on the battlefield was revived with an armor (even though both of them, the Vote and the Cave, died without it) and with Izuna's eyes turned into a Rinnegan. If this Madara is revived from the one that died at Vote, then he shouldn't have Rinnegan, while if it is the one that Obito see dying, then he should have only one random Sharingan in his eye-socket. Assuming that those 2 are Madara, but split apart, it's possible that the current Edodara's soul is a complete one (fused together after death), while the body is the one from the Vote, simply better enhanced with H-face, making him activated the Rinnage partially thanks to his soul remembering how to do it and to Kabuto enhancing his body ?
Oh right, I forgot to mention that we still haven't seen anyone with a leaf's headband in that flashback. This might actually mean that the Madara we see owning Onoki and Mu, might actually be Tobirama's ET :O. That would be a little wicked, but it would explain why Madara knows so much about ET, because otherwise he had no chance to experience it or seemingly see Tobirama doing it.


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Hi Leo, found the article on Australia's internet censorship to be interesting.
Thanks for the friend-request:-)
I think I'd take the slinky actually!
LOL! If you collect enough of them, you'll get a slinky ...er, Wii at the end of the school year!
Glad you like them, I need to post the others I have. Send my best to your brother, a fellow serviceman! Take care.
Hi Leo - thanks for the add! I just read through your Extreme Motivation album - hilarious! I need to send my brother those - he's in the Air Force and loves that kind of stuff.
Hope you're having a great day!
Your welcome, Molly. Hope I can be of help.


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Ptolemy's Harmonics
The Harmonics [12] is probably earlier than the Tetrabiblos.[13] Although Ptolemy is well known for his astronomy and astrology, he was also one of the ancient sources for theories of harmony.
The work studies this universal field of knowledge for which music and geometry are considered subsets. Much of the material in Harmonics is exclusively concerned with music, including setting up exact number ratios for the different modes.
The Harmonics Book III applies his previous exposition of intervals, scales, and ratios to ethics and psychology, and to astronomy and astrology. Unfortunately, some of Book III has been lost to us. In Chapter 9 of Book III, Ptolemy presents the astrological aspects and their ratios to one another. Curiously, in this presentation Ptolemy does not use degree numbers for the aspects. Instead, he considers the twelve zoidia as discrete units and the whole number relationships between them that yield moriai and epimoriai. This discussion might have fit better into the Tetrabiblos Book I, within his treatment of the qualities and relationships between whole zoidia.