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Flames 2011-12 Player Grades: Support Forwards
Kent Wilson
April 23 2012 11:42AM
This weekend we started off by looking at the Flames top-6 type forwards - Jarome Iginla, Mike Cammalleri, Alex Tanguay, Olli Jokinen and Curtis Glencross. We'll continue the report card today by grading the remainder of the forward corps.
The bottom-end was difficult to fairly assess. In aggregate, the group was plagued by either injury (limiting their sample size), bad luck (rotten percentages) or both. As a team, the Flames were rather average when it came to SH% and SV% this year, but that's because the club had two extremes which seemed to cancel each other out - for example, Curtis Glencross 23.7% shooting percentage vs Backlund's 4.7% (!).
As with the big guns, my grades are a subjective weighting of output, underlying numbers and expectations based on age, role and pay-grade.
Report Card - Support Forwards
Mikael Backlund
41gp, 4g-7a-11pts
Grade: B-
It was a pretty disappointing season for the young center for a number of reasons. Not only did he appear in just 41-games due to separate finger and shoulder injuries, but his scoring rate took a significant step back despite improved ice time with better players.
As has been mentioned before, Backlund's poor counting numbers have a lot to do with bad percentages which tend to be heavily influenced by variance. That said, it's becoming pretty evident that the kid probably isn't a goal scorer at the pro level. He has had a single digit SH% since he became a pro (going back to the AHL), so while I doubt his true talent level is 4.7%, it wouldn't surprise me if he settles into the 8% range, which tends to be the bottom-end for forward in the NHL.
The good news is, Backlund's underlying possession numbers were some of the best on the team even though his circumstances were drastically more difficult this year relative to his rookie season. Backlund was the only regular skater outside of the big guns to regularly face top-6 opposition and he did so with a 44.6% zone start - the lowest on the team outside of Blair Jones. Despite that, his relative corsi was a team best +11.7/60. That means, the Flames managed 11.7 more shots at the opposing net with Backlund on the ice versus when he was on the bench.
That is an extremely encouraging sign even in light of the poor output and suggests the kid can become a useful NHL pivot even if his scoring never attains the level most fans had hoped for.
When He's Good: A slick puck handler, and smooth skater, Backlund can stickhandle in traffic and has above average vision. He made tremendous strides this year in terms of controlling the puck in tough areas along the boards and in his own zone which were areas of concern when he boke into the league. Backlund's positioning and defensive awareness continue to creep upwards and he's likely the best forward under the age of 25 on the Flames in terms of these qualities.
When He's Bad: Backlund seemed to lack offensive assertiveness at times this past season and often failed to bear down on shots in scoring positions. The kid missed a lot of nets and hit a lot of crests in prime areas of the ice this year. He also tended to cheat for defense a lot, staying high in the offensive zone, choosing to begin the backcheck early rather than engage the attack. Like all young players, he was prone to the rare but spectacular gaffe and still needs to work on winning face-offs (45.4%).
Lee Stempniak
61gp, 14g-14a-28pts
Grade: B
Acquired for Daymond Langkow last year, Lee Stempniak pretty much came as advertised: a streaky, 40-point type winger who can score 20-goals. He managed 14 in 61 games, some of them of the highlight reel variety, but also disappeared for long stretches of time.
Like Backlund, Stempniak was one of the few Flames who finished in the black in terms of possession. His relative corsi rate was second only to Mikael (+10.5/60), although he played against lesser lights and started about 50% of his shifts in the offensive zone versus the defensive end. Stempniak also had the highest point production rate of any forward outside the top-end at even strength (1.72 points/60).
That's all pretty good value for a middle rotation guy making less than $2M per year. I would have no complaints if the organization decided to bring him back on a similar ticket.
When He's Good: A fast, clever player Stempniak can make even first pairing defenders look foolish on occasion (see video above). Stempniak has a quick release and an eagerness around the net that is similar to Mike Cammalleri. When he's on, Stempniak can carry the puck through the neutral zone and into scoring areas of the ice, forcing defenders to scramble which creates gaps in coverage.
When He Struggles: If the dangles don't work or if the opposing team is limiting his time and space, Stempniak can disappear from the game completely. He has some issues fighting off bigger players in tougher areas and isn't the best puck distributor in the world. Stempniak has never been able to stick in any team's top-6 rotation since he struggles to excel against other team's big guns, so while he can play as a second line winger in a pinch, his ceiling is probably that as a 40-point third liner.
Blake Comeau
74gp, 5g-10a-15pts
Grade: B-
After scoring 24-goals and 46-points the prior season, Blake Comeau landed a new contract in the proceeding summer and then laid an egg to start off the year. When the Flames plucked the 26-year old off of waivers in November, he had managed precisely 0 points in 16 games for NYI and was -11 to boot.
Things didn't get too much better for him in Flames colors in terms of output. He managed 15-points for Calgary in the next 58 games, although he fired 117 shots on net in that time and it was a ghastly 4.3% SH% that suppressed his output. During his 20+ goal season, Comeau shot at 13.2%. At that rate, he would have scored 15 for the Flames, which would have been a nice number from a third-line, waiver wire pick-up. His career average is above to 10% so it's safe to expect a rebound from Comeau going forward.
The erstwhile Islander drew ire from a lot of fans down the stretch because, like Backlund, he made a habit of squandering a lot of high-end scoring chances. The frustration in response is natural, although I tend to give high marks for creating the chances in the first place, even if they don't end up in the back of the net. When the line-up was in total flux due to all the injuries, I thought Comeau was a strong, steady presence at the bottom-end and consistently brought both speed and physical element to his game. He finished third amongst forwards in terms of relative corsi (+10.3), so the puck definitely traveled the right direction when he was on the ice.
Comeau is a pending RFA and his qualifying offer will have to be slightly north of the 2.5M he earned this year. That's probably about $1M too much given his performance last season, so the best route to take would be not to qualify Comeau, but attempt to re-sign him as an UFA at about $1.5M. He's a useful third liner who, at 26, may improve and fills a big gap in terms of players at the age range on the roster, but the team shouldn't pay any more than it has to in order to retain him.
When He's Good: Comeau is an impressively swift skater who can potentially beat defenders wide on the rush. He's tenacious on the forecheck and isn't afraid to lay the body. When he first arrived in Calgary he surprised me with more than one bone-jarring hit, which wasn't something I previously associated with the player. He also seems like a guy who could develop into a useful penalty killer.
When He Struggles: To be blunt, Comeau can be dumb. His most annoying habit as a Flame was breaking into the offensive zone with the puck, circling the net and then swooping wide back towards the blueline rather than doing anything useful. Sometimes he would succeed in bringing the puck back deep into the zone, sometimes he'd take a prayer of a shot and sometimes he'd just lose it to a defender.
Comeau doesn't have the puck skills nor the vision that would cause the opposition to respect him when he goes on such journeys, so the typical outcome was a give-away or Comeau essentially playing keep away with himself on the periphery.
Matt Stajan
61gp, 8g-10-18pts
Grade: D
Another disaster year for Matty Franchise. It's been a tough go for Stajan since he arrived in Calgary, in part because he was miscast in the role of "new guy to center Jarome!" and in part because he was re-signed to a bad deal due to those expectations. As soon as his big brother was pushed out of the picture, Brent Sutter consistently and openly displayed his disdain for Stajan by burying him as far down on the depth chart as possible. So although he made 4.5M in real salary this year (more than any other Flames forward besides Iginla and Cammalleri), Stajan averaged just 13-minutes of ice time per game. That's in a season where the Flames lost well over 300-man games to injury keep in mind.
Not that Stajan has ever made a compelling case to be moved up the rotation. His possession and scoring rates were both mediocre this year even though he routinely played against nobodies. His scoring chance ratio was spot on at 50% - not bad, but uninspiring for a guy taking home a giant dollar figure and mostly playing against grinders and goons.
Like Moss or Backlund the year before, Stajan should have dominated other 3rd and 4th liners during his tour of duty at the bottom-end, but he simply didn't. Which is why both Moss and Backlund moved ahead of him - permanently - in the batting order.
So even though Stajan had a nice little redemptive run near the end of the year (almost all percentages based), his season was still completely underwhelming. If the next CBA indeed carries a one-time, no penalty buy-out clause, the Flames should certainly consider using it to get rid of the last of Darryl's lingering errors.
When He's Good: There's no question Stajan has some offensive gifts. He can handle the puck relatively well and is a decent passer with good vision. Stajan can find guys in the crease and in traffic at high speeds and can sometimes pull a move in the neutral zone or at the opposing blueline that creates odd-man rushes.
When He Struggles: Few players on the Flames are weaker on the puck or more prone to giving it up along the boards or in the neutral zone during puck battles. Stajan also tends to get caught in vulnerable positions with his head down by opposing defenders a lot - he's taken Chuck Kobasew's long abandoned role as the token guy who gets absolutely run over at least once a week.
Stajan also can't shoot worth a damn. Both his wrist and slap shots are complete muffins, so as a result he doesn't tend to shoot very often. That's why Stajan also has one of the lowest shot volumes amongst regular skaters on the team - this year he garnered just 77 shots on net, for example. To put that in context, Mikael Backlund had 85 shots in 20 less games.
David Moss
32gp, 2g-7a-9pts
Grade: C
When he was healthy, Moss routinely skated with Jokinen and Glencross, a trio that was deployed as a shut-down line against other top units. He nevertheless finished with a team best raw corsi rate of +6.85/60, making it the 4th straight Moss has finished in the Flames top-3 in terms of possession metrics.
That said, the points weren't there for David. Even though he fired 82 shots in just 32 games, he finished with a SH% of 2.4. He also struggled to stay healthy for the third season in a row, which is rapidly becoming a very real issue for the 30-year old. Moss has had endless problems staying off of IR and it may be those fears that lead the team to not re-sign the pending UFA this summer.
He's a useful, no-frills forward who can play up and down the roster and make whatever line he's on better. Problem is, he's 30, not a great bet to remain healthy and his scoring is a question mark.
When He's Good: There's nothing fancy about David Moss. All he does is drive play. Neither overly big nor fast, Moss is nevertheless a committed, hard working winger who can win his share of board battles and very rarely finds himself out of position or on the wrong end of a bad decision. Moss is adept at battling for position in front of the net and is very quietly the type of guy who can play 15 minutes in a game but end leading the team in shots on goal. Moss' biggest assets are his decision making, the fact that he never tries to play outside himself and his strength on the puck.
When He Struggles: Again, there's nothing fancy about David Moss. He doesn't have blazing speed, a notable shot or fancy moves. Moss moves north-south efficiently, but doesn't have the skill or creativity to do much beyond that. He's the type of guy who might make you groan if you see him on a break-away or if he is the skater with the puck during a two-on-one. Also, the aforementioned health troubles are probably now his biggest Achilles heel.
Tim Jackman
75gp, 1g-6a-7pts
Grade: C
Re-signing Tim Jackman was Jay Feaster's lone move at the trade deadline. The rugged fourth liner won his new contract despite a season where he fell to seven points after scoring 23 the year before. The terrible numbers were mostly due to some really rotten luck - Jackman had a PDO (on-ice SV%+SH%) of 93.4 this year, the 8th lowest of any forward who appeared in 30 or more games (related - Backlund was 11th at 94.8). So the low scoring totals and terrible -21 plus/minus can be somewhat excused as bad fortune.
That said, Jackman also didn't drive possession like he did last year either. That's probably due to his change in circumstances: in 2010-11, he spent a lot more time with Moss and Backlund rather kids like Horak and Bouma. In addition, Sutter actively sheltered the 4th line in 2010-11, giving them some of the easier zone start ratios on the team. Not so much this year with both Kostopolous and Jackman sitting below the 50% ratio.
The good news with Tim is he plays the role of enforcer while being better than your average goon. His relative possession rate was still on the positive side (+5.3/60), so although he's not a good bet to beat anyone into submission, he at least fills a the perceived need of a tough guy without being completely terrible at actually playing hockey.
When He's Good: A tireless worker who will throw his body around and drop the gloves with anyone, Jackman is good enough to pin other fourth lines in their own end for entire shifts. He also isn't shy about driving the puck to the net, can skate pretty well for a big man and is hard to knock off the puck down low.
When He Struggles: Jackman doesn't have the hands or the puck handling skills to rise above the station of fourth liner, so he can be exposed if he gets stuck on the ice with top-9 type guys. He's also not a feared heavyweight, so even though he's game to fight against anybody, ackman mostly tries to just hang on against the league's true bruisers.
Tom Kostopolous
81gp, 4g-8a-12pts
Grade: C
Not much to say about Kostopolous. He is what he is: a consummate, professional, 4th line player. Kostoplous is tough enough to compete for the puck, drop the gloves on occasion and works hard enough to keep his place in the line-up. He remains a few strides ahead of kids trying to break into the league owing to his strength and veteran savvy, but at 33-years old is rapidly approaching a point where he will have to endlessly fight off usurpers from the minor leagues in order to keep his place on an NHL roster.
I assume the team will let Kostopolous walk this summer and will allow guys like Lance Bouma a shot at replacing him.
When He's Good: Kostopolous is big and a decent skater, so like Jackman he can play other 4th liners to even (at least) most nights. He can also moved up the depth chart when injuries demand it and kill penalties.
When He Struggles: Tom doesn't have the hands or the offensive acumen to be much more than replacement level in the NHL. His career high in points is 22 and that came in 2008-09.
Roman Horak
61gp, 3g-8a-11pts
Grade: B-
Horak surprised everyone by making the team out of training camp. Brent Sutter seemed to favor the kid's mix of speed, stick skills and defensive awareness which allowed him to beat out so many others for a spot on the roster.
As the season progressed, however, it was clear Horak was in over his head at the NHL level. Like so many other youngsters, he started losing puck battles all over the ice and was mostly detrimental in the defensive zone, even against 4th players. By March, Horak was seeing between 5-7 minutes a night before finally being sent back down to the Abbotsford for good.
When He's Good: Horak seems comfortable with the puck on his stick and isn't afraid to try to deke defenders or try to find teammates through traffic. He is also pretty quick and capable of skating the puck out of trouble areas.
When He Struggles: Horak's skills aren't high-end enough at this point to make up for his lack of experience or strength relative to established pros. At 20-years old, he is bound to lose more board battles than he wins and things tended to get very ugly in the Flames defensive end if the opposition managed to sustain pressure and get Horak running around. In the offensive end, more patience and a better shot will help him score a few more points down the road.
Lance Bouma (C+) - Fast skating and hard hitting, Bouma looks like a prototypical "energy player" who could develop into a checker/PK specialist with experience and an improvement in hockey IQ. Probably no real offensive upside however.
Paul Byron (C) - Agile and with decent puck skills, Byron is also pretty tough to knock down even though he's one of the smallest guys on the ice. He didn't make much of an impact in many of his contests in the show, however, and his scoring totals in the AHL weren't terribly impressive either.
Blair Jones (B-) - The former Lightning center became a favorite of Brent Sutter's right away. He was deployed heavily on the PK and started to take on tough, checking-line center type responsibilities before being injured in February. A decent skater who has a heavy shot, Jones makes for an effective forechecker. He's never going to be a scorer, however, and needs to greatly improve his face-off abilities (42.4%) if he's to be much more than a 4th liner.
Krys Kolanos (B-) - The Abbotsford Heat's MVP had a tough time translating his scoring at the NHL level. In 13-games, Kolanos only managed one point, although he drove both possession and scoring numbers at a better than average rate. Kolanos managed to generate at least one 10-bell chance per game, but could never seem to finish them off.
He's over 30 years old and isn't the best skater, so Kolanos probably won't rise above "13th forward" at best in the NHL. That said, he's probably as good or better than some guys regularly drawing pay checks in the league.
These marks are not realistic. Backlund the same "B-" as Jokinen?
Not. Even. Close.
Just to add. Jokinen last year was a "B" and Backlund a "C+". Backlund was better? Jokinen was worse?
Well, what are we grading on?.. maybe that's the important question.
Solely, Corsi and Zone start and nothing else?
What would Backlund have to do to get an "A"? Score 7 goals and play 60 games?
I agree that if we want to look at summarizing the enitrety of a player in one "grade" metric it's got to be more than goals and assists, but it's also got to be more than corsi and zone start.
What would Stajan have to do to get a "C-"? Score 20 goals and get 60 pts? or just have a 45% zone start?
Lee Stempniak had the softest zone start of ANY regular player... 53.2%. He was 8th of forwards in Qual comp -0.037. 9th in Corsi REL QualComp (.437) according to behindthenet.ca. He got 28 pts and was a "B". Better than Jokinen who faced the toughest comp of any player .113, had the second best CORSI Rel QoC 2.056 and got 61 pts?
Maybe I'm looking at better/different/wrong numbers? Who knows?
April 23 2012, 12:11PM
Tom Kostopoulos won the 3rd fight of his career this year. He still has the worst won-loss record of any NHL pugilist (minimum 20 fights), but at least he's working his way towards the pack.
Seems like a fair assessment.
Man if a great team could be made out of only 3rd and 4th liners, the flames would have another cup to celebrate.
I say we're looking at a 3 year refresh. Next year doesn't look like it will be appreciably better but there's enough to keep me positive for now.
If Feaster is seriously looking to make changes... Stajan has got to go!! Enough is enough... Buy him out, Demote him to the minors, or trade him if you can... but DO something!
I do hope TK comes back... watching him this last season I did appreciate his ability to try to stir things up or to try to get the team going... no complaints about his work ethic.. good fourth liner!
@Rain Dogs
Why would say Joker deserves a better grade?
I do think the Flames have done well with Backlunds developement, but it's time he starts putting up some points. I think Sutter really drilled it into him to be defense-first kind of forward.. but I hope the next coach will encourage him to drive to the net a little more.
April 23 2012, 02:27PM
I can see the argument for Jokinen getting a better (or more likely, equivalent) grade. Backlund, however, has absolutely been better this season.
@Rain Dogs Kent stated in the first of these player grade articles that "Top 6" forwards and bottom 6 forwards would be graded differently, because on a team each group serves a different purpose.
So mediocrity in the top six and mediocrity in the bottom six. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that the same overall theme will carry into the evaluation of the defensive corps and goaltending (except perhaps for Irving as his expecations may have been lower and his performance, Boston aside, was encouraging).
I don't want to pre-empt Kent here, but should fans draw the conclusion that mediocre play from all four forward lines, as well as league-average goaltending from Kiprusoff, is a contributing factor in the Flames essentially ending up just shy of the exact middle of the league?
I have a question for Flames fans, somewhat unrelated to this article: If Doug Wilson were to start taking apart the Sharks, do you believe that Feaster (and by extension King and Edwards) would be interested in acquiring Joe Thornton if the price were something like this year's first round pick, Micheal Ferland, and Laurent Brossoit? I know there are circumstances (NMCs) that would come into play, and I'm not asking if Flames fans want the trade, but rather if any here believe it is something which Feaster would pursue.
April 23 2012, 02:57PM
We should trade two of our three 3rd lines for two top line players, or even one of our 3 3rd lines for one top line player!
@Rain Dogs Kent stated in the first of these player grade articles that "Top 6" forwards and bottom 6 forwards would be graded differently, because on a team each group serves a different purpose.
"As with the big guns, my grades are a subjective weighting of output, underlying numbers and expectations based on age, role and pay-grade."
Are we not allowed to scrutinize? Can't we discuss vs our own opinions? If it's such a subjective one way conversation that it's meaningless... then it's meaningless. I don't think Kent wants that.
I, personally, could say:
"the players I like and want on next years team are all A's and the ones I don't like are all D's"
It wouldn't mean anything to anyone but me, but at least it'd be clear what I'm telling you. I'm not sure why there would ever be resistance to critical analysis. I'm trying to understand against my analysis of expectations and performance. So, I'm thinking... why am I so far off base?
April 23 2012, 03:09PM
Rex: The main killer for the Flames this season has been a combination of a weak top 6 F and top 4 D. Despite these depth rankings, the Flames depth is significantly better than a lot of other teams. And Kiprusoff, this season, has been much better than league average.
Don't bring back stemp, comeau or kostopolos. Find younger guys who want to play. Stemp is like bouquet with less upside. Comeau is a flash in the pan. Kost, already have lots of 4th liners. Plus his actions when a fan threw jersey on ice was unacceptable.
Actually The bottom two lines were pretty effective. The second was good at times. The first line was generally mediocre.
I don't see that Calgary has what it would take to trade for Thornton, short of emptying the cupboards for a player that is probably coming onto the downward side of his career.
Giving up that much for a 33 year old Thornton would be a terrible idea. Considering it's gonna take the Flames a solid 3 years to put some talent together and the fact he's a UFA after next season. Not to mention paying more for him now than they paid Boston 7 years ago.
If anything, I think the Sharks would dangle Marleau first, and it's pretty clear he's washed up. The only guy out of San Jose I'd go after is Torrey Mitchell as a UFA.
You have to rate the players against the league as a whole, not against the teams statistical database.
Bryon was at best a fourth line player, so he should be evaluated against other fourth line players. Bryon would rank below average as fourth line talent, so his rating should be in 'D' to 'D-' range. The rating for an average player being C / C+.
Backlund shouldn't rank a B-, much more like a 'C' and so on.
The grades appear far to generous...
Giving up that much for a 33 year old Thornton would be a terrible idea. Considering it's gonna take the Flames a solid 3 years to put some talent together and the fact he's a UFA after next season. Not to mention paying more for him now than they paid Boston 7 years ago.
If anything, I think the Sharks would dangle Marleau first, and it's pretty clear he's washed up. The only guy out of San Jose I'd go after is Torrey Mitchell as a UFA.
But isn't what Rex proposed more or less the same of what we all expect for Iggy? Don't get me wrong, I don't want the FLames to mortgage the furute any longer. However, Most people think it'd be fair to get a 1st round pick, a roster player, and a prospect for Iggy. To be fair, what Rex said would be more of a bargain for the Flames in acquiring Thornton than what another team would be giving up to acquire Iggy.
Thornton has two years remaining on his contract at a $7 million cap hit. Acquiring Thornton would allow Feaster, King and Edwards to essentially say that they are going to spend the next two years "going for it". Kiprusoff has two more years, Iginla would have to sign an extension, but a trade for Thornton would probably convince him to do that. They would be able then to have Cammalleri centre for Baertschi on the second line and could attempt to re-sign Jokinen as a 3rd line centre for two more years (yes, I know about Jokinen wanting a longer term for financial security, but for the sake of the argument...).
I'm not advocating this idea, because at this point Wilson hasn't even broached the idea publicly of a rebuild in San Jose, but I think it is a question that Flames fans have to ask themselves. If only because of the franchise's stated goal of taking this group and pursuing a championship for as long as possible.
Thanks for bringing up the trade value, Chri$. In suggesting a price I purposely avoided the easy names (Stajan, Baertschi, Bouwmeester, etc) because those are either unavailable or unmoveable.
As for Marleau, I don't doubt that he is offered up for trade, but I suspect it would be to a team looking to slot him in as a depth scoring winger, not a centrepiece. He has shown, repeatedly now, that he cannot shoulder that load.
@Gange, my impression is that the bottom two lines were entirely that: effective, but not good enough to complement the inadequecies of the top six players for the duration of the season. Mediocrity, in this case, means exactly what I think the Flames have become. A team that can beat any other team if they play a very controlled and disciplined game to the coach's instructions. They can't shirk on responsibilities because they don't have the talent to get by, and too often their work ethic isn't uniform in the roster and they fall to harder working teams.
@SOV, Kiprusoff's save % this past season was .921 which was right in the range for average goaltenders with his number of games, from what I can tell. He did more to keep Calgary close to the playoff hunt than any other team member, but it was still, in the end, an average result. Don't misunderstand what I say to mean that I feel he had a particularly bad year or is a run-of-the-mill goalie. He gives the Flames a better chance to win on any given night, than any other player on that team in my recent memory (Iginla included).
@Chris: Difference is, we are talking about trading Iggy & Kipper to contenders who have good talent who hasnt even had a whiff of the NHL but are ready & a 1st rounder. Calgary in under any stretch of any kind of imagination is a Joe Thornton away from being a contender. So the trade is a non starter, even for the likes of Feaster, King or Ownership.
Buddy & I were debating where Iggy would fit & he made some real valid points for Iggy to the Oilers for the 1st over all(Yapukov). Before Rex & other Oiler posters trash it, here is the rationale: 1/ Iggy would be home & near his ailing Grandmother 2/Oilers have Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Gagner but they need that veterean leader who will stick up for these kids. For them to see a future HOF drop gloves & get pissed & defend them is a huge character builder 3/Yes, Yapukov is the best player coming out of this draft, he is Russian & we have seen how that goes, he has had injuries & he is still unproven at the NHL level. The risk is all Calgary's. The Oilers get a top sniper to lead the kids to their peak. Oilers with a few other moves could put a few defensive pieces together & may very well threaten for the playoffs. The lottery they won literally gets them Iggy. I had to admit there was logic to deal like that that would be beneficial. What seems like an overpayment by the oilers, really is it? Maybe 3 years from now Yapukov could be phenomenal, then maybe not. Maybe next Oilers challenge for playoffs with Iggy instead of continuing with their long rebuild. Just an interesting take.
I'm not going to trash your trade idea. It is the same as what I suggested in the Thornton idea. Its an idea, a starting point for discussion and debate.
I get your point on Iginla providing veteran leadership and being a role model. Those points are certainly valid within the context of some of Iginla's time in Calgary.
Conversely, those same two topics are often brought up in terms of Iginla's potential shortcomings. The veracity of either of those qualities being either a strength or weakness of his is something best left to those both with and against whom he plays. I don't think there is a stat that can measure it and a fan's perspective is inevitably skewed to their own experience.
However, I will make this point about Yakupov's value and risk. Yakupov's value is in his potential, that which he may yet accomplish and the performance that he may yet contribute. There is some degree of Iginla's value that is in the past tense. This means that one has a better idea of what to expect from Iginla in the short term than Yakupov in that same time span.
However, the expectations for Yakupov over the next five years are more likely to offer a far better return than Iginla. Beyond that point is almost immaterial to the argument as it is unlikely (but never impossible) that Iginla plays past 40 years old. I say almost immaterial because one cannot compare a player who is playing to one who is retired when discussing their value as a playing asset. It does, however, weigh in to the position of the team that employs the two players.
At this time there is more value, in the Oilers' situation, in keeping the pick that could become Yakupov than in trading it for a 35 year old perennial 30 goal right winger with playoff experience. For another team, whose position is one of being closer to a championship (as in, that very season) then their valuation of Iginla relative to a prospect who may be two or three years from achieving real success may differ greatly.
No team is likely to exchange Iginla for a star player whose performance vastly outstrips their financial cost, though. That has become apparent under the new economic realities of the current (and likely new) CBA.
In many ways, the discussion and the logic that you and Mr. Buddy (I use that same term all the time, so no offense) were using speaks volumes about the difference in perspectives and philosophies between the fan base of the Oilers and that of the Flames.
This isn't meant to be derogatory.
I mean that Flames fans value consistency, predictability and "a sure thing" whereas Oiler fans have become accustomed to embracing a riskier style, of late. Put it this way, Would Flames fans move Iginla to a team for a 1st round pick in 2013, knowing that that pick could be anywhere from 1st to 30th overall? Probably not. Oiler fans might be willing to entertain the idea if it meant getting a return for an expiring UFA. The fans in Edmonton have had to adopt this strategy because since the team entered the NHL they have routinely been forced to sell off star player after star player for prospects, picks, and sometimes flat-out cash. Through all of this the fans have come to look forward to the influx of talent, though not always without some healthy cynicism. Flames fans have had a remarkably consistent roster core over the last decade and longer and as such may be risk-averse in trading away the final remaining pieces of that core. More so, I would think, given their more recent returns on those trades (Phaneuf especially, and Regehr to a lesser extent).
This in not meant to be an opinion on political ideology or civic temperament, just an observation of the predilections of variant fan bases who have had very different recent experiences.
Anyway, what I'm ultimately trying to say is that it's a case of apples and oranges. Flames fans are totally justified in looking at that trade and seeing the merit of it. It puts the greater risk/reward on the part of the Flames while providing the Oilers with what Flames fans perceive as some of the more pressing needs of a young roster (probably along the lines of a Guerin/Recchi/Andreychuk influence).
Oiler fans will look at it and tear it to pieces saying that the Oilers will have, in three years, a player who could be every bit as good as Iginla and provide enough scoring depth to be the envy of the league while Iginla will be finishing his career as a complementary scorer or powerplay specialist (I'm paraphrasing fan response here).
I don't think either side will necessarily be able to fully appreciate the arguments of the other.
That being said, it does add to the conversation: is Iginla worth a first overall pick when the concensus prospect at that position has the portfolio of Yakupov?
My opinion is that Iginla is not, and in this case, and almost regardless of which team held that pick, of equal value.
Wow, was that long.
I wonder how many cups of coffee that'll take VF to get through? If I keep posting here Kent is going to have to start paying him in Tim Hortons rechargeable gift cards.
I realize that on the long term & if Yapukov turned into the player many hope & expect, Flames win that all day long. As much as you dont feel Iggy is worth that number 1 overall to anyone, there will be fans that would be furious if Feaster were to trade Iggy to the Oilers for potential. I for one never thought Iggy would garner that kind of pick just because any team with that number 1 pick are just starting the rebuild. Oilers, already have 3, & I clarify that by saying Eberle has turned out as good as any 1st overall pick & I would take him over Yapukov all day long. How many teams can say that in the last decade. I guess it comes down to expectation & I know Rex, you are a very logical well thought hockey mind. You dont let being partial to your team let you think from the heart. But are you an Oiler season ticket holder? If you were or better put, how many season ticket holders & even the owner for that matter think losing for another 2-3 years so you can ooze in early picks and prospects? At some point, I would say stick your potential where the sun dont shine, I want a winning team. You see things more logically & subsequently more patiently. I dont think that can be said for all Oiler fans. 2-3 more pieces with the youth core you have & you should be playoff bound & making some noise like Ottawa are this year. The Dallas stars did basically the very same thing with trading Iggy for Nieuy & so did Colorado trade Regehr for Fleury. That piece to win a cup. Sometimes I think some of you have suffered so long that you are now waiting for the perfect team with all the same aged young guys peaking & dominating the game & winning cup after cup. Not sure that can ever happen. 2 reasons, the cap creates parity & everything equal, you can only afford so many top line forwards & expect to compensate & keep them all happy with role & ice time, kind of the Jordon Staal syndrome. How long do you think he wants to ride in Crosby & Malkins shadow & be the best 3rd line centre in the game? 2/ dont you think if a player in the next 3 years could be instrumental in getting this youthful core one cup not be considered successful & worth the gamble. I just agreed with buddy that the Oilers time should be focused now especially if I was dishing out the dollars I pay for my season tickets. I also wonder how much longer Katz wants to get ribbed for owning the worst team in the league. There is a lot of pride amongst the owners.
You have to rate the players against the league as a whole, not against the teams statistical database.
Bryon was at best a fourth line player, so he should be evaluated against other fourth line players. Bryon would rank below average as fourth line talent, so his rating should be in 'D' to 'D-' range. The rating for an average player being C / C+.
Backlund shouldn't rank a B-, much more like a 'C' and so on.
The grades appear far to generous...
I agree only 5 players with a failing grade? Have another glass of the Feaster koolaid Ken or maybe it's time to tweak the "spreadsheet"!
These are grades are a joke.
Ask the players and I bet another 5 failing grades would be added.
"Kiprusoff's save % this past season was .921 which was right in the range for average goaltenders with his number of games, from what I can tell."
Did you even look up the numbers? That's a serious question. Kipper's raw sv% .921% is 9th for goalies who played over 30games, and 5th for goalies playing over 60.
It was better than Tim Thomas, Tomas Vokoun and Roberto Luongo... the three highest sv% goalies since the lockout.
This "average" goalie sv% business that is floated around here is about the stupidest, least grounded in reality comment that I consistently read.
It'd be like saying... the average top player scored 35 goals this year. So Iginla with 32 is a below average goal scorer. We're playing 7 million for below average goal scoring! (Nevermind the dude has scored 516 career goals... he's obviously worse than average!)
@RexLibris , love your two cents...living in Shelbyville myself, you hear a lot of unrealistic garbage about the Oiler's future (Not unlike what comes out of Calgary in regards to our present, although that seems to finally be changing). You seem to have a solid grasp of reality, which is commendable for an Oil fan. That being said, your posts are about as concise as a English Lit. textbook. Chop it down! (But keep up the good work).
I like your idea about Thornton, but it would have been a great move three years ago. You know SJ would need some solid/young pieces in return in order to move Big Joe. We just don't have the organizational depth to even consider a trade like that. In the end, I dont think the return justifies what we would have to give up (given our current state of affairs).
MY two cents? We need SPEED, and forwards who will work as hard in our zone as they do on the rush. If anything, watching the first round of the playoffs has made me realize just how far the flames have fallen. Kipper would have had to stand on his end for us to even have a sniff at a series win.
@Kevin R
Okay, so for Drewski, I'm going to try and make this one a little more concise.
I don't see the Oilers finishing in the bottom five next season (barring outrageous injuries) and so this year is likely the last time they'll have a first overall or perhaps (and this is a leap of faith) even a lottery pick for a while. My expectation is that the team probably ends up drafting somewhere around 8th to 10th overall next June, perhaps lower.
To that end I think that the Oilers feel they need to capitalize on this pick and then find their remaining needed pieces through a combination of free agency and the development of their drafted prospects.
No, I'm not a season-ticket holder, but that argument came up this season when a fan who is called in to 630 CHED and said that because of his financial commitment to the team, his voice ought to carry more weight than "those patient fans who don't spend a cent".
I think fans, and the team, feel that there are more holes than can be filled by just adding two or three star players. This team needed improvement in every category. You're observation about some fans waiting for the perfect team are good, but I'm not sure if its perfectionism or just cynicism that not all of these players will actually end up being as good as some people think.
Fair statement. I see where you are coming from and I've read some of your other comments about the statistical analyses being offered on the Nations.
I did look up the numbers, but I have to place them in the context of the other information that I have on save %'s in the league today and work off of the opinion and analysis offered up by those who are better at it than I.
This is probably the source of our disagreement.
From my personal point of view, I would suggest that had Kiprusoff been playing the last five years in an Eastern market he would be as popular and well-regarded as any of the Leafs' backup goaltenders (which is to say, he'd be a superstar with his own fashion line). While I think that his career is in the proverbial gloaming, were I picking a goaltender for a playoff game today, I'd much rather have him than Luongo or Vokoun. Perhaps even Thomas.
That being said, when I scanned the save %s of veteran goalies around the league, his number was in the middle range of the numbers I saw. So perhaps his save% is the mode or median rather than the mean.
Thanks, I'll try and keep this one short.
Some people in Edmonton were saying that the Oilers could get into the playoffs last year, but those were the same people who said Horcoff was the best 5-3 centre in the league. They are fans who, as Kent is fond of saying, can't see the forest for the trees. Most Oiler fans were not that delusional.
Next season, most fans expect a finish around the 20s, around the Colorado, Winnipeg, Tampa Bay range. Anyone who says higher is likely high themselves or writes for a hockey rumour blog.
Re: Thornton, I wasn't advocating the idea. It just seemed that, if he were made available, it seemed like the kind of thing Feaster may have pursued. Acquiring Thornton would fit into all of King and Feaster's talking points about "the now" and "a big centre" and "making a splash", etc etc.
I do think the Flames have enough to offer (the assets I proposed) and while it would re-exhaust their system, I was only asking if this is something Flames fans would either like, or even agree that they could expect, to see.
The Flames need speed, but not just Cogliano-speed. They'll need some speedy guys who can actually do something with the puck.
So, Gaunce or Collberg then at the Flames draft? Speed, skill, size in Gaunce.
I agree, Flames need speed. I don't really think the issue is individual speed, but team speed. The right mix of athleticism, skill and HOCKEY IQ while employing an offensive, possession-first system would accomplish that IMO.
Thornton coming to Calgary would be sweet to watch. I'm sure he'd make Cammalleri a 35 + goal scorer and that would be awesome but that would just push the Flames further from the bottom of the standings, where they probably belong until they finally clean up the Darryl Sutter mess.


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Mike Conway's Sunday drive proved to be tougher than expected at Barber Motorsports Park but he delivered the best race result there to date for the ABC Supply team with a seventh place finish in the Honda Indy Grand Prix of Alabama.
The strong performance vaulted him from 20th to ninth in the IZOD IndyCar Series point standings.
Conway qualified fourth for the race but a sticky throttle on the pace laps created a tense situation as the team tried to determine the source of the problem. With telemetry saying all was normal, Conway gambled and took the green rather than pit to check the car over. He never had the problem again with the electronic throttle but the team will investigate it thoroughly in their post-race teardown.
At the start, Conway filed in fourth behind Scott Dixon but the yellow came out for Alex Tagliani who stopped on track. When the race resumed three laps later, James Hinchcliffe and Scott Dixon made contact causing Dixon to run wide which sent Conway off track. By the time Conway gathered it up, he crossed the line in seventh.
"I was outside of Scott and he clipped Hinchcliffe and went wide," Conway explained. "I was on the outside and had to drift out on the grass. As I pulled back onto the track, I got so much stuff on my tires, I couldn't get through turn 2. There was so much understeer, I would've run into people. I lost a bunch of positions but got a couple back. We just had to hang in there all day. Tough day."
A small miscue on the second pit stop on lap 42 saw Conway drop to eighth when the pit stops cycled out, but he battled past Tony Kanaan to regain seventh by lap 52 of the 90 lap race. For his final stop, Conway chose to go with a set of the harder compound primary tires instead of a set of slightly used softer alternate tires which the rest of the top runners had selected.
Three laps later, a full course yellow (which lasted seven laps) for Katherine Legge, who'd spun in turn 9, made that decision questionable, especially when Marco Andretti slipped past Conway on the lap 73 restart. But as the race wore on, Conway was able to pass Andretti and hold off a hard charging Rubens Barrichello.
"I'm happy we finished in the top 10 which is what we needed," said Conway. "We're still struggling with a lack of a certain level of grip out there. We're getting there in qualifying but we just need to work on long tire runs. That's never easy on race weekends but we'll just keep chipping away at it."
Team director Larry Foyt was satisfied with the team's performance.
"It was a tough race but a good race for us in some ways," Foyt said. "We lost a few spots on the start from being pushed over in the sand but Mike did a great job to save it and not lose too many positions. I it's hard to get it back. All the guys up front were very fast. Mike drove a great race, made some good passes but we didn't quite have the speed to drive up to our qualifying position.
"Overall, really the whole weekend went well. You hate to lose spots from where you qualified, but the one thing that was reinforced today was how many good cars there are out there and just how tough it's going to be this year. In the past I may not have said this but if you get a top 10 finish, it's something to be proud of if you can do it consistently."
Will Power won the race while Dixon was second. Power's teammate Helio Castroneves finished third. Fourth through sixth were: Graham Rahal, Simon Pagenaud and James Hinchcliffe.
Prior to the race's start, Grand Marshal Bart Starr, the Hall of Fame quarterback, stopped by the Foyt paddock to meet A.J. Foyt. The two men exchanged stories and posed for photos as both achieved pinnacle feats in their respective sports in 1967: Starr won the Super Bowl playing for Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers and Foyt won his third Indianapolis 500.
The ABC Supply team will be testing at Indianapolis Motor Speedway this Wednesday as each team is allowed just one car to attend the open test session.


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By GARY ARRINGTONSports writer
The Emery High Lady Spartans softball team finished their preseason games last week with two more wins and now will face their toughest region opponents in four home games this week in Castle Dale.
First, Emery defeated South Sevier in Castle Dale last Tuesday by a score of 7-1 and then the Spartans traveled south to Hurricane and defeated the Tigers 3-0 on Wednesday. Hurricane went to the 3-A title game last season and lost to Tooele in that game which is no big deal since Tooele is probably the best team in the state in any classification. This season Tooele has the best two pitchers in the state. Hurricane was also ranked number one last week by both Salt Lake newspapers.
This week Emery takes on the perennially tough Juan Diego and North Sanpete as the region season starts and the Spartans play doubleheaders against both teams on the Spartan field. Games will be held Tuesday and Thursday at 2:30pm.
Against the South Sevier Rams, Emery scored a single run in the first inning, another single run in the fourth inning and then after South Sevier scored their only run in the top of the fifth inning came back and scored five runs in the bottom of the sixth inning to put the game away.
In the first inning, Adriane Weihing singled to left field, advanced to third base on a hit by Leslee Lake that the right fielder misplayed and scored on a single by Bailey Kay. In the fourth inning, Lake walked and scored on a double by Bailey Kay for Kay's second RBI of the day.
For South Sevier, they put two of their three hits of the day together in the sixth inning and scored their only run.
In the sixth inning, Chelsea Skinner singled and Lake followed her on base as a pitch hit her. Bailey Kay followed up with another double off the left field fence and both runners scored. Kay scored on a pinch-hit single by Danavin Reed and Markette Tanner followed up by walking. Both runners would score as Keera Allred got to third base due to an error by the first baseman.
At Hurricane, Emery faced last season's hot pitcher that did not play for Tooele and one who had not lost yet this season. Emery would score and take the lead right at the onset of the game. Jalee Jensen led off with a single to right field and Chelsea Skinner followed up with a single to left field. After Leslee Lake walked to load the bases, Bailey Kay followed up with a single and two Spartans would score. Whitney Allen would get hit by a pitch to load the bases before the Tigers could get the third out and Emery would miss a golden opportunity to score more runs.
In the second inning, Keera Allred singled followed by a Jalee Jensen double but neither would score as the next three batters hit balls to infielders. Another opportunity missed to pad the lead.
Emery would not have another base runner until the seventh inning. Danavin Reed pinch-hit again and in this game hit a ball off the centerfield fence for a double. Keera got her to third base with a sacrifice bunt and Reed would score on a hard hit to shortstop by Jalee Jensen.
Hurricane had three base runners in the game. A pitch hit a batter in the second inning and a Tiger would get a hit in the third inning and another in the fifth inning.
The Spartans are now 8-1 for the year but will face a test this week. Both region foes that are coming to town take this game seriously and are usually fighting for the region title. The Lady Spartans intend to have a say in the matter this season and are ready to take on both teams.


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Master of Science in Finance
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The Master of Science in Finance program is designed to help students develop technical and analytical skills in the area of finance and to acquire the core conceptual knowledge about the applications of those skills in solving financial issues and furthering the body of knowledge through ongoing research.
Master of Science in Finance students learn from accomplished professors and scholars who are committed to high-quality teaching. Topics include:
- The ability to value financial assets such as stocks, bonds and derivatives using current valuation methods.
- A strong understanding of how to evaluate capital budgeting projects.
- The ability to construct efficient portfolios.
- A comprehensive understanding of how markets work according to the Efficient Market Hypothesis.
The MSF program consists of two options: option A (thesis option) with 30 credits and option B (non-thesis option) with 33 credits.
More Information
Contact the Finance MS Director
Greg Stone
(775) 682-9174
- Search the online class schedule(Use prefix FIN)
- View the MSF Program Requirements in the General Course Catalog
The program consists of two choices: Plan A (non-thesis) with 33 credits and Plan B (thesis) with 30 credits.
Plan A (non-thesis):
- ECON 702 - Advanced Microeconomics 3 OR
- BADM 730 - Economics in the Firm 3
- BADM 741 - Financial Management 3
- BADM 742 - Research Methods in Finance 3
- BADM 743 - Investment Management 3
- FIN 620 - International Finance 3
- Approved Electives * 18
Total : 33
Plan B (thesis):
- ECON 702 - Advanced Microeconomics 3 OR
- BADM 730 - Economics in the Firm 3
- BADM 741 - Financial Management 3
- BADM 742 - Research Methods in Finance 3
- BADM 743 - Investment Management 3
- FIN 620 - International Finance 3
- Approved Electives * 9
- BADM 797 Thesis 6
Total : 30
- FIN 610 - Derivatives
- FIN 604 - Financial Management Theory and Practice
- BADM 744 - Security Analysis and Portfolio Management
- BADM 745 - Commercial Bank Management
- BADM 746 - Corporate Treasury Management
- BADM 748 - Real Estate Finance
- FIN 693 - Advanced Seminar in Finance
- ECON 703 - Advanced Macroeconomics
- ECON 641 - Econometrics
Searching the General Catalog
The University maintains all of its official academic information in the General Course Catalog. When visiting the General Course Catalog, users are recommended to use the search box in the upper-right area of the website. It is also helpful to narrow your search using the following options from the drop-down menu:
- Entire Catalog: This option will perform a keyword search over all information in the catalog.
- Courses: This option will perform a keyword search over the names and descriptions of individual courses offered by the University.
- Programs: This option will perform a keyword search over the names and descriptions of degree programs offered by the University.
- Hierarchy Items: This option will perform a keyword search over the names of University units, including colleges, departments and centers.
Contact the Finance MS Director
Greg Stone
(775) 682-9174
Specific Prerequisites
In order to pursue a program leading to an advanced degree, you should meet the criteria for both the University of Nevada, Reno Graduate School and the Finance Area of the MGRS Department MSF program. All applications are reviewed by the MSF admission committee. Only complete applications will be reviewed by the committee. Applications approved by the committee are forwarded to the Graduate School for final disposition. Admission requirements, procedures, and deadlines are described below.
Application Deadlines:
Students may apply for admission into the MSF program for either the fall or spring semesters.
In order to be considered for the fall semester, all application materials must be received by March 15.
To be considered for spring admission, application materials must be received by October 15.
Application Procedure:
The following documents must be submitted to the Office of Graduate Programs, University of Nevada, Reno:
- A completed and signed Application for Admission form.
- A $60.00 non-refundable application fee. ($40 non-refundable fee for University of Nevada, Reno Grads.)
- Two official transcripts from each college or university where work has been completed or is in progress.
- The official report of the GMAT or GRE.
The following documents must be submitted to the MSF Program Director:
- Three letters of recommendations.
- Statement of Purpose for pursuing the Master Degree in Finance, addressing the student's particular interest in Finance and his or her future professional and/or academic goals.
Admission Criteria:
Graduate School Requirements:
- Grade Point Average of 3.00 on a scale of 4.0, or an average of 3.25 or higher for the courses taken during the last half of the undergraduate program.
- A baccalaureate (or an advanced) degree from an accredited four-year institution; any major is acceptable.
Finance Area of MGRS Department MSF Requirements:
- Completion of the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT) with a minimum score of 550 or the Graduate Record Examinations (GRE) with a minimum score of 1100. Students must also place in the 20th percentile or higher in each portion (verbal, written, and quantitative) of the exam. [These minimum scores are subject to change.]
- All students are expected to be proficient in word processing and are also expected to be able to use computers to analyze and solve business problems using software such as spreadsheets, statistical packages, and databases.
- If the applicant does not meet all of the preceding requirements, admission to graduate standing on a carefully prescribed basis may sometimes be considered.
- International student applicants must submit satisfactory scores on the Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL) indicating an ability to speak, write and understand the English Language sufficiently. The minimum TOEFL score accepted is 550. International students may be required to complete additional Intensive English courses during their first semester in the program. The TOEFL will be waived for students who have completed degree programs conducted in English in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia, or New Zealand.
Students must complete the following courses within five years of admittance to the program:
- Basic Calculus (equivalent to MATH 176)
- Statistics of Decision Making (equivalent to BADM 700)
- Financial Reporting and Accounting (equivalent to BADM 710)
- Intermediate Microeconomics (equivalent to ECON 302), if Advanced Microeconomics ECON 702 is to be taken as an elective
- Intermediate Macroeconomics (equivalent to ECON 303), if Advanced Macroeconomics ECON 703 is to be taken as an elective
Specific Prerequisites
A bachelor degree in business or finance is not required for admission. Students without an undergraduate degree in finance or business normally earn the MSF degree by completing the aforementioned set pre-core courses.
International Students:
For international student information, please consult the Office of International Students and Scholars.
Contact the Finance MS Director
Greg Stone
(775) 682-9174
Tuition for the MSF program will vary depending on the number of courses needed and the background of the student. To estimate the cost use the cost calculator.
Differential Fee
In April 2011, the Nevada Board of Regents approved a differential fee tuition program to go into effect fall 2011 for master of accountancy (MAcc), master of business administration (MBA), master of science in finance (MSF), and master of science in information systems (MSIS). This involves a course fee in the amount of $100 per credit for graduate level courses in accounting (ACC), business administration (BADM), business (BUS), entrepreneurship (ENT), gaming management (GAM), finance (FIN), information systems (IS), management (MGT), and marketing (MKT). These additional fees will support financial aid of students in the programs, as well as enhance the curriculum and services to the program's students.
More information about tuition and fees at the University of Nevada, Reno.
Student Financial Aid & Scholarships
The Office of Student Financial Aid & Scholarships is available to meet with any students needing information on federal- and state-based financial aid programs.
Contact the Finance MS Director
Greg Stone
(775) 682-9174
Finance Adviser Contact Information:
Dr. Gregory Stone: Associate Professor of Finance
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Tel: (775) 682-9174
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Ministers who send their children to top state schools are hypocrites for attacking privilege at independent schools, a headmistress has suggested.
Marion Gibbs, who runs James Allen's Girls' School (Jags), in Dulwich, South London, said politicians who chose to use elite schools in the state sector were "hardly hug-a-muggers".
Some grammars, prestigious faith schools or high-achieving comprehensives, such as those attended by David and Ed Miliband, or Tony Blair's children, had more wealthy pupils than many independent schools, she said.
Nick Clegg revealed this week that his son, Antonio, will go to the Oratory, a Catholic state secondary school in


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Wales will be gunning for a second successive Six Nations away victory when they tackle Italy at the Stadio Flaminio on Saturday.
With the pressure off having ended an eight-match run without a win, Wales will be gunning for a second successive Six Nations away victory when they tackle Italy on Saturday.
Wales play Italy in Rome – scene of painful Six Nations defeats against the Azzurri in 2003 and 2007 – knowing victory would keep them among the title contenders. Ireland at home, and then France in Paris, are on Wales' Six Nations agenda next month, but all routes currently lead to Stadio Flaminio.
Wales, after going eight Tests without a win, rediscovered some of their renowned adventure in establishing an early 16-0 lead against Scotland last time out. They went on to win the game comfortably at Murrayfield, and a similar display this weekend should see them past their hosts and wooden spoon favourites.
Italy are on the back of a 59-13 Twickenham drubbing against title favourites England, although Wales will inevitably adopt a degree of caution after losing twice in Rome over the past eight years.
Wales will parade six survivors – James Hook, Shane Williams, Stephen Jones, Matthew Rees, Alun-Wyn Jones and Ryan Jones – from four years ago when Italy triumphed 23-20. But the visitors also know they can comfortably tame the Italians on home soil, crushing them 38-8 en route towards a Six Nations title and Grand Slam in 2005.
Italy have recorded a solitary victory in their last nine Test matches, beating Fiji two months ago and defeat for the Italians this weekend would edge them closer towards a ninth wooden spoon in 12 Six Nations campaigns.
The Azzurri were devoured two weeks ago by a rampant England in a game that showed the newest members of Europe's top flight rugby fraternity still have some way to go to be truly competitive at this level. All the hope and promise garnered from their home match against Ireland, when they led by a point with two minutes to play before a Ronan O'Gara drop goal snatched a 13-11 victory for the Irish, was swept away by a swashbuckling England outfit.
They have propped up the table eight times during the 11 previous Six Nations campaigns, but Wales coach Warren Gatland believes that Twickenham debacle will motivate them.
"They are dangerous because they will be hurting from the performance against England," said Gatland.
"We know how tough they are at home. It (Rome) has been a banana skin for Wales in the past, and it was a tough game for us there two years ago.
"The key for us is to build on confidence from the result against Scotland. I thought it was a very professional performance."
Italy fans will hope their side can show the same defensive strength they displayed when they pushed Ireland to the very end last month, while the Azzurri will hope their fans – that never stopped cheering against Ireland – will give them the edge come kick-off.
Wales though, with their pack in consistently strong form, should have enough power and quality to put Italy away, marking centre James Hook's 50th cap and coach Warren Gatland's Wales record-equalling 35th Test at the helm in fitting fashion.
Ones to watch:
For Italy: It's simple. Stop Azzurri captain Sergio Parisse and Wales will be half-way from beating Italy. The Stade Francais number eight played in Italy's 2007 winning team against Wales, and delivered a man-of-the-match display when they lost narrowly two years ago. When he does something exceptional in a game it lifts the Italians. They all look up to him, so if the Welsh stop him playing they can stop Italy from getting any momentum.
For Wales: Fly-half Stephen Jones will move alongside Martyn Williams in second place on Wales' all-time appearance list when he wins his 98th cap against Italy, but it's out wide where you want to keep an eye out for wing Shane Williams who needs two tries to equal Ian Smith's international championship career record of 24 touchdowns.
Head to head: The front row. The obvious battle will always be between the two front rows whenever Italy take to the field. We know what the Italy heavies capable of, and Wales face their biggest test up front after impressing against England and the Scots. Keep an eye on the midfield battle too between Gonzalo Canale and James Hook where the latter will start in his third different position of this year's Six Nations.
Previous results:
2010 Wales won 33-10 in Cardiff
2009 Wales won 20-15 in Rome
2008 Wales won 47-8 in Cardiff
2007 Italy won 23-20 in Rome
2006 Drew 18-18 in Cardiff
2005 Wales won 38-8 in Rome
2004 Wales won 44-10 in Cardiff
2003 Wales won 27-15 in Canberra (World Cup)
2003 Italy won 30-22 in Rome
2002 Wales won 44-20 in Cardiff
2001 Wales won 33-23 in Rome
2000 Wales won 7-0 Cardiff
Prediction: Wales are still in the Six Nations equation but if they get into an arm-wrestle with the Italians, they will struggle. As always, Italy will make life tough for the visiting team but we just can't see an upset on the cards. Wales to win by nine points.
The teams:
Italy: 15 Luke McLean, 14 Andrea Masi, 13 Gonzalo Canale, 12 Alberto Sgarbi, 11 Mirco Bergamasco, 10 Kris Burton, 9 Fabio Semenzato, 8 Sergio Parisse (c), 7 Robert Barbieri, 6 Alessandro Zanni, 5 Quintin Geldenhuys, 4 Santiao Dellape, 3 Martin Castrogiovanni, 2 Leonardo Ghiraldini, 1 Salvatore Perugini.
Replacements: 16 Carlo Festuccia, 17 Andrea Lo Cicero, 18 Valerio Bernabo, 19 Manoa Vosawai, 20 Pablo Canavosio, 21 Luciano Orquera, 22 Tommaso Benvenuti.
Wales: 15 Lee Byrne, 14 Morgan Stoddart, 13 James Hook, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 Shane Williams, 10 Stephen Jones, 9 Michael Phillips, 8 Ryan Jones, 7 Sam Warburton, 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Alun Wyn Jones, 4 Bradley Davies, 3 Craig Mitchell, 2 Matthew Rees (c), 1 Paul James.
Replacements: 16 Richard Hibbard, 17 John Yapp, 18 Jonathan Thomas, 19 Josh Turnbull, 20 Tavis Knoyle, 21 Rhys Priestland, 22 Leigh Halfpenny.
Date: Saturday, February 26
Venue: Stadio Flaminio, Rome
Kick-off: 15.30 (14.30 GMT)
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Assistant referees: Dave Pearson (England), John Lacey (Ireland)
TMO: Iain Ramage (Scotland)


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Glazing ganache
* dark, milk or white glazing ganache
* grill rack
* low receiving bowl
* deepfrozen pastry
* small palette knife
Place the grill rack over the receiving bowl.
Place the deepfrozen pastry on the grill rack.
Warm the ganache to 35 to 40°C.
Pour the ganache over the pastry first. Begin in the middle and go to the edges until the whole upper surface is covered and the ganache flows down below.
In one gentle movement, scoop away the excess ganache with the small palette knife.
* 4 blades of gelatine
* 2.5 dl milk
* 100 g glucose
Choose from:
Dark ganache
300 g dark chocolate Callebaut 811NV Callets and 300 g dark coating S12-HP35
Milk ganache
300 g milk chocolate Callebaut 823NV Callets and 300 g milk coating S04-HP35
White ganache
300 g white chocolate Callebaut CW2NV Callets and 300 g white coating S00-HP31-W
Soften the gelatine in cold water.
Bring the milk to the boil with the glucose and remove from the heat.
Add the softened gelatine.
Pour on the Callets and coating pieces.
Let them melt in the mixture.
Mix well with the spatula to remove any airbubbles (don't beat the mixture!) or mix, avoiding creating air bubbles. (Ensure the mixerhead is totally submerged in the liquid mixture and avoid making any up or down movements)
Allow to cool to 35 to 40°C or place in the refrigerator. Before use bring back to a temperature of 35 to 40°C.
Which Callebaut products are best suited to making glazing ganache?
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Yeah winter sounds alright.
Yeah winter sounds alright.
Manga reading list: Bleach, Naruto, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, One Piece, Code Breaker, Gamaran, Kuroko No Basket, Fairy Tail, The World God Only Knows, Kimi No Iru Machi, Good Ending, Medaka Box, Nisekoi, D.Gray-Man, Ao No Exorcist, Freezing, Magi - Labyrinth of Magic, Soul Eater, Rosario Vampire Season II, Iris Zero, Ubell Blatt, Bloody Cross, Sun-Ken Rock, and Infinite Stratos,
The problem is that since we only tend to get 4 people entering the content on a regular basis if one person doesn't like the theme/can't make a sig/is busy then the whole thing just grinds to a halt. :<
"Damn it, you can't euthanize people with minty fresh breath!"
Okay, the deadlines for #92 and SotY 2010 have passed so SotW #93 is now open.
Any suggestions for #94's theme? Or for that matter, does anyone have any interesting suggestions for what we should do for SotW #100? :p
"Damn it, you can't euthanize people with minty fresh breath!"
I really hope my today last exam went well bcs I would really like to make some new sigs for old times sake.
#94's theme suggestions :
Role-Models, Super-Heroes, Space/Kosmos, Music-Rockstar, Your favourite fictional character, Avy/Sig manga set
Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, Claymore, Ao No Exorcist, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Gamaran, Toriko, Vinland Saga, Gantz, Wolf Guy, Deadman Wonderland, Vagabond, Blade of The Immortal, Battle Royale, Zettman
Okay, I'm not entirely sure how to move forward at this point.
#93 has just got the last entry needed to close it, but #92 and SotY 2010 are still deadlocked at the voting stage because I haven't seen Imoto around the forums since the 11th of January.
"Damn it, you can't euthanize people with minty fresh breath!"


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