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Brian Sutherby
October 11 2013 06:48PM
The dressing room is supposed to be a safe place for players. That is said time and again between coaches and players. Things that are said or happen between those walls stay between those walls.
Joe Thornton is making headlines today, for a comment he directed in a humorous way at a scrum of reporters that were interviewing another player. He was not being interviewed himself. He said something sarcastic about scoring four goals in one game and what he would do to celebrate.
""I'd have my c*** out, if I scored four goals. I'd have my c*** out, stroking it."
There is no actual line or set rule between media and players of what is and isn't on the record. As a player there is just an understanding and trust that if someone asks you for an interview or if you can chat with a microphone in your face, that is when it's on the record.
Generally media members show the respect and know that chatter throughout the locker room amongst teammates and off the cuff jokes at reporters are not considered on the record.
The fact that there is no actual rule unfortunately leaves Joe with no one to blame but himself. He now has to live with the comment and every player in the league is now more aware that there are a few amongst the media they cannot trust.
The man who published those comments about Joe was Jason Botchford, who can be found on TSN discussing STUDS & DUDS each week.
He had this to say on TSN's That's Hockey! show when asked why he published the quote.
"Frankly, it was a pretty easy decision for me. It's nonsense that this is off the record. Joe interrupted, with insolence another scrum to tell a reporter, Farhan Lalji of TSN, to 'shut up.' Twenty reporters turned to Joe, he said his joke, and a joke that really made the whole Hertl discussion seem ridiculous. I think it was appropriate to go forward with publishing the quote, for a lot of reasons.
First and foremost, because I work for a publication that asks me to think, write and report with edge, and that's what I think I did today." "The problem here for Joe is that he said the comment to about 20 reporters. I looked around, about half of them had cameras. If any of them had reported it, and I had not, I would have been called to the carpet by my boss and asked why I didn't publish one of the quotes of the year."
Fair enough, in all likelihood he would have been called to the red carpet by his boss, but I only saw one of the 20 reporters actually publish the quotes. They most likely have bosses too and I'd bet every reporter around the league could do this daily if they chose to.
If Joe Thornton was not directly in a media scrum with 20 microphones in his face or in a one on one with someone, then I don't know why this is something that is being published.
If it was something that Jason Botchford thought was on the record, the polite thing to do would be to ask Joe if that was 'on the record' or a useable quote.
Everyone knows the obvious answer.
Ultimately the people that may be affected by this action are other media members trying cozy up and earn the trust of players so that in time they can snag a juicer quote. Over the years I considered many media members my friends and I assume vice versa.
Most hockey players are a difficult quote. The trickle down is potentially less comfort from the players and an even more watered down version of your token cliché from players to the fans.
Now some people will say "well just don't say anything while the media is there"
What usually happens for players is you come off the ice and many times you are getting undressed and the locker room is filled with media. Media members come in every morning and post game to get their quotes. Some stay to shoot the breeze and as players you develop great trust with these guys and can eventually talk about certain things that maybe aren't things you want made public.
It's not like players can hide, some media stick around for 20 minutes or more. Asking players to not speak across their own dressing room is not the solution.
Should Joe Thornton have been more careful with what he said? Sure.
Should Jason Botchford have been more thoughtful with what he published? Yes.
If it was up to me, the media wouldn't be allowed in the actual dressing room anymore. Players would be brought to a specific media room when requested by the media. Eliminate that invisible line for everyone.
For the respectful ones in the media and the fans it would be unfortunate but I could eventually see this happen.
Mr. Botchford, you sir are a DUD.
I don't mind Botch reporting that at all. I don't know how anyone could think it was off the record. It was in the middle of a media scrum. It was a stupid thing said by a stupid player. What else can you say?
Dumbo Joe isn't an overly educated man nor does he seem too bright. I know the NHL have media education seminars but I guess Dumbo skipped class. Who knows.
Obviously the editorialist and most of the comments here are from people who have no idea what a journalist's job is and the clear rules about 'off the record'.
Just because 19 of 20 sports 'reporters' (usually cheerleaders, NOT journalists) chose not to report the story doesn't mean they were right.
It's a clear indication that most of the mic-holders in locker rooms are just there to get the same, predictable cliched quotes, day in and day out, and to constantly sing the praises of the jocks and the glorious teams they cover.
There are some obvious exceptions and we know who they are. Botchford was perfectly entitled to report the Thornton remark and anything else spoken in that room.
If he's banned (which I doubt) it would say everything you'd need to know about the team and the league - "if you start to do actual reporting, we'll contact your employer and threaten to ban you AND the organization. So stay in line and cheerlead. Those are the rules. Thanks for covering the game and reporting the score."
I expect nothing but TRASHES for my opinion.
Articles like this have the best intentions, but just invite the rapey comments like the two above.
Although not overtly rapey, their whole premise is to say something nasty other people don't want to hear.
The grossness of The Nation.
October 11 2013, 08:04PM
Someone needs to tell Joe that when you open your mouth, other people can hear what you're saying. I thought that there was really nothing off the record when you're in front of reporters with MICROPHONES and RECORDING DEVICES.what's next, should we not be allowed to take photos i public just because someone walks in front of the scene?
Sean Avery's "sloppy seconds" comment was widely reported and he was crucified but there was no discussion among the media if perhaps that was a poor attempt at humor and should have been omitted. You guys are as pathetic as the NHL OPS for you are willing to censor comments based on who made them.
I thought Botchford was a tool before, and this just backs it up. Bitter critter Nucks beat writer syndrome.
FWIW, I can't stand the Vancouver media types. I was at VC conference for work a couple of years ago just prior to the Nucks/Bruins series. At one of the receptions a few of us started discussing who we thought would win. I was the only one who picked the B's, and in five games - the other participants were either from Vancouver or Canadians who said hoped the Nucks would win. A couple of them politely asked why and I said the B's were deeper, bigger, had better goaltending and the Sedins would fold in crunch time. There was a way too drunk way too early G&M writer from Vancouver at the end of the bar who overheard me and then proceeded to tell me how wrong I would be and what I an idiot I was for picking against the Nucks for the next 5 minutes. Needless to say, I hope his business advice/analysis is better than his hockey.
October 11 2013, 08:01PM
Let me take a page from your book. You obviously have no idea what a journalist's job is. You think you do. You don't.
Showing some discretion in what is reported doesn't make a reporter a cheerleader, although there are plenty of those, to be sure.
When a reporter sits down with a player one on one with notepad and pen or recorder/camera in hand, the player should assume what is being said to that reporter is on the record. At any time, the player may indicate a comment -- best done beforehand -- is off the record.
Same thing for the player in a scrum situation. The assumption is what is being said to the reporters in that scrum is on the record. Why would they think otherwise?
That doesn't translate to anything that's said in the dressing room being "fair game." Reporters granted access hear a lot of banter and back-and-forth between players. Off-color jokes, locker room talk.
Overhearing a conversation or anything that's being said outside of an interview situation and recording it by any means and than distributing it is flat-out sleazy.
If you get a quote that's such a sizzler outside an interview situation and you're tempted to use it, the easiest way to approach this issue fairly is to simply ask -- "is that on the record or are we just talking here?"
When you're in and out of the same dressing room with many of the same players for years and years, there is an assumption of trust and there is a relationship. If the players don't trust you, you won't get anything out of them except the clichés you mentioned. Jason B. can expect a steady diet of that from now on.
Actual reporting? You believe reporting a smart-assed remark like the one Thornton offered up qualifies as that? OK.
I hate that 'Did you ever play the game' crap that some athletes pull on reporters trying to do their jobs. Really? Is that what you have Joe? A verbal face wash for Farhan? Botch got his dander up about the abuse a local colleague was taking in the course of his duty and he lashed out a bit by publishing the quote . Nothing Joe wouldn't do in similar circumstances on the ice. Give Botch an instigator minor and move on.
That's not crap whatsoever, it's a question that i'd like to ask every single hockey reporter who talks like they are all knowing. If someone hasn't played the sport then they won't have the correctly educated opinion or mindset about it
Really? OK, cool. So, every guy with a mic, a camera, a laptop and a communications degree has to also have played pro sports before he's taken seriously. OK. Have fun reading the sports section in the Sun tomorrow. Also, same criteria, political reporters have to have held public office before they have the credentials to write copy. Any you need, what, to comment here? Nothing. Carry on then.
Did I say pro sports? Think I said "hadn't played the sport" as in organized hockey in general, which is what Joe was referring to also moron. How embarrassing for you.
October 11 2013, 09:57PM
Ha ha! Nice come back. Prop yourself again. It feels good, right? Go ahead. By your reasoning, you're qualified to ask questions of people who take their c*cks out to stroke after scoring 4 goals.
I don't think bwar's comments are rapey. It's just evident that he likes thinking about cocks and stroking cocks. Maybe he's gay. Not that there's anything wrong with a man being gay or thinking about cocks and cocks being stroked by their owners hands.
October 11 2013, 07:56PM
I thought things like this were common sense. If you don't want someone or a group of people to know something, keep your mouth shut. You wouldn't do stupid things in a washroom in front of other people and expect whatever it was not to " leak " out, would you? Pun intended.
But then again, half the folks in the world have no common sense. Thornton told a " joke" and expect no one to speak of it? I thought a " joke " is something you tell 'other people', not to yourself.
Articles like this have the best intentions, but just invite the rapey comments like the two above.
Although not overtly rapey, their whole premise is to say something nasty other people don't want to hear.
The grossness of The Nation.
And what gives you the right to dictate what "people" want to hear.
I didn't vote for you to be the spokesmen of the "people".
October 11 2013, 06:53PM
Bang on.
I don't think bwar's comments are rapey. It's just evident that he likes thinking about cocks and stroking cocks. Maybe he's gay. Not that there's anything wrong with a man being gay or thinking about cocks and cocks being stroked by their owners hands.
Nothing wrong with that? Sounds pretty wrong to me.
@quinn the eskimo
Shush now child
October 12 2013, 12:50AM
shush this.
October 11 2013, 07:07PM
Locker room talk is just that, and should stay there. Thortons' comments might be a smidge off colour, but will be considered classic and timeless. My guess is that Botchford just committed career suicide with his "big story". Joe Thorton has always been classy, a gentleman and respected around the league and in front of the media. I personally thought his comment was hilarious, even though I really should not have been privy to it.
@Robin Brownlee
Except Thornton interrupted an on-the-record interview and directed his comments at reporters.
From the San Jose Mercury News: "A similar incident occurred 24 hours earlier in San Jose when Thornton was the one being asked about criticism of Hertl's goal and linemate Brent Burns jumped in.
"Four goals! He's a 19-year-old kid," Burns said, adding a cheerful expletive or two. "I'd be naked."
Thornton's comment went in that same direction, only much further and more graphic."
So why is it OK to quote Burns but not Thornton?
October 11 2013, 08:38PM
I hate to think what Thornton would do if he had a night like Gags did against Chicago.
October 11 2013, 09:23PM
I hate that 'Did you ever play the game' crap that some athletes pull on reporters trying to do their jobs. Really? Is that what you have Joe? A verbal face wash for Farhan? Botch got his dander up about the abuse a local colleague was taking in the course of his duty and he lashed out a bit by publishing the quote . Nothing Joe wouldn't do in similar circumstances on the ice. Give Botch an instigator minor and move on.
October 11 2013, 09:45PM
Really? OK, cool. So, every guy with a mic, a camera, a laptop and a communications degree has to also have played pro sports before he's taken seriously. OK. Have fun reading the sports section in the Sun tomorrow. Also, same criteria, political reporters have to have held public office before they have the credentials to write copy. Any you need, what, to comment here? Nothing. Carry on then.
I thought Joe was bang on, when you score four goals you should get your cock out and stroke it. I'm sure gags did when he popped four on Chicago.
When Botch gets railroaded out of all the nhl rooms, I would like to invite him into our oldtime beer league room after one of our games to get about 50 quotes per nite that would be on the record! Feels like time to go and "score 4"
The fact that this is even a "thing" is stupid... If you can lip read there are far worse things players say on any given night. Personally, I though it was funny and like the guy a little bit more now.
The whole "If I didn't do it somebody else would have" argument is classic scummy criminal/banker thinking. The correct response for Thornton is to sleep easy knowing Botchford won't be in an NHL dressing room ever again while those 19 other guys who didn't do it will.
October 11 2013, 07:10PM
October 11 2013, 09:31PM
If he ever gets to 3, he's gonna get benched.
October 12 2013, 12:51AM
I'm all for anything that isn't continually sanitized for public consumption. Who wants to listen to all the usual BS quotes we've all heard a thousand times before. From all the B/S that's passed off as content in todays game. It certainly appears Mr. Botchford isn't the only reporter they're mad at. Who would want to go to work everyday wearing any sort of BS handcuffs. Good on Botchford for reporting truth. Last time I checked, it use to go hand in hand with that word Trust.
If i'm in charge over at TSN, I ramming Botchford down their throats at every opportunity. Plop him in Toronto and stir this longstanding bullship tradition. If Thornton didn't know saying anything in front of a group of 20 reporters isn't considered on the record, then that's not Botchfords problem.
Now THAT, would be cutting edge. Truth, what a concept.
October 12 2013, 01:07AM
@Quicksilver ballet
"If i'm in charge over at TSN, I ramming Botchford down their throats at every opportunity. Plop him in Toronto and stir this longstanding bullship tradition. Is it really any different than a hooker plying her trade? At the end of the day it's all about the money. The NHL is the john, and TSN is the hooker....they need each other really."
Whose throats? What longstanding tradition? Never mind TSN, are you even 'in charge' of your mind? Hookers, Johns... I don't really get you, QSB. Never have.
October 11 2013, 07:16PM
Ummm...I don't need to score 4 goals to celebrate like that. My criteria is much less stringent. I celebrate a lot is what I'm trying to say.
October 11 2013, 08:54PM
It's an uncool thing for a reporter (or whatever he is) to write it down, but it's an unbelievably stupid thing for an editorial staff to validate it by allowing it to be published. Or to not have controls in place that allowed him to publish it. Whichever it was.
And, "one of the quotes of the year"? Really? What's next, an exclusive expose on Dustin Byfuglien's hemorrhoids? Sure, why not? The public needs to know!
Polish up the Pulitzer.
I think that Botchford's decision to print the quote was not about the should I publish the quote or not - this was Botchford's chance to make a story so we talk about Botchford. Now I hope your 15 seconds is over and Studs and Duds is dropped as every player in NHL refuses to give you a quote or interview.
. . .fade away please Mr. Botch-ford (what a perfect name you have how ironic)
Except Thornton interrupted an on-the-record interview and directed his comments at reporters.
From the San Jose Mercury News: "A similar incident occurred 24 hours earlier in San Jose when Thornton was the one being asked about criticism of Hertl's goal and linemate Brent Burns jumped in.
"Four goals! He's a 19-year-old kid," Burns said, adding a cheerful expletive or two. "I'd be naked."
Thornton's comment went in that same direction, only much further and more graphic."
So why is it OK to quote Burns but not Thornton?
Which of course makes Thornotons' remark a continuation of an inside joke.
I am glad that Botchford was called to the mat on That's Hockey and in another radio interview I saw with him. Obviously Joe was kidding when he told his joke. Botchford will have a hell of a time getting a good quote out of anybody now.
October 12 2013, 12:41AM
@Mike Modano's Dog
"Ironically, if he didn't like Joe's treatment of the other reporter if he would have reported THAT, and what he said directly to that reporter WITHOUT tattling by sharing a private joke - ":
Fine, but the point is, it wasn't a private joke. Thornton said that into the the mic. What, Joe didn't see Farhan, the seasoned, regular, locker room reporter in Vancouver? Come on. He insinuated himself on the interview loudly, so, not so much off the record, and he did while bullying a reporter. Big man Joe, tries to scare little 'never played the game' Farhan to save the sensitive hide of his rookie Hirtle. Class. Code. Yeah, right.
I'm in Van, and I take my lumps as an old Oiler dude, but Botchford is a righteous reporter in my books and Joe got stung for being an a$$hole out loud. So there ya go, Joe. Jumbo. Big guy. Hero. Chasing off nasty ol' Farhan. Wear it, with your c*ck out.
So the old school reporters writing on this blog don't stand up for Farhan, but justify the locker room 'code' and good ol' Jumbo's right to be a d1ck in saftey? Pffff... whatevs.
October 12 2013, 01:24AM
Botchford is employed by the Province. The Province is a 'media' outlet both in paper and on line. They hand him a pay check every 2 weeks to do his job that they hired him for. They got him media passes so he can go into the teams dressing rooms and act as a a liason between the public and the players. He can go where us fans can't. That's what the Province pays him for. The act of media walking into the players dressing rooms after/before a game to get info for their stories is as old as hockey itself. This is not news. It should not be news to you, I, or the players.
So how did this become Botchfords or >> fault? He walked where he's walked thousands of times into a room where 'said' players were expecting his arrival. He got quotes that were available to 20+ reporters, none of them were off the record or told in secrecy. He took what worked for his story - and he wrote it. He didn't make it up. He didn't plagiarize. Nothing he did was illegal. In fact, he was ----- get this people ------ suspense------ suspense ------ DOING HIS JOB. OH My! Someone call 911.
Is Botchford supposed to be a mindreader?
Don't you love being in a relationship where the girlfriend or boyfriend - out of know where seemingly- starts giving you the silent treatment. You ask "what's wrong?" only to have them scowl at you and say nothing. Giving you the "you should know look". Yes, well paralell the situation. Was Botchford supposed to know a quote that wasn't 'off the record' was off limits? Should he have displayed superhuman powers for our purpose?
People are making farrrr to big of a deal about this. "Should he have asked Thorton if it was off the record?" - why? Should I ask the guy who's handing me a paycheck after I've worked all week for him "you sure you really want to give me this. You can keep it if you want". I know I worked for this guy all week, he knew he had to pay me for working for him. Thorton knew there were multiple reporters in the room. He cut off a reporter by yelling obscenities at him - and they reported what he said. end of story.
Did the other reporters write anything about this quote? No. But they were scooped by Botchford. Were they gonna write it after the fact ....... the storys already been broken by another reporter. That's journalism 101.
Cal down people. Some people actually do their job for a living. And as fans, we should be grateful that those 'liaisons' are actually doing their jobs otherwise we'd never know anything about the hockey players we love watching play.
October 12 2013, 02:04AM
@quinn the eskimo
Shush now child.
October 11 2013, 07:22PM
The guy made a mistake. Sucks as it may cost him a lot. What player is going to trust him or give him an interview?
As for Joe, I can't imagine that is the worst thing to come out of an NHL locker room. I would see that as regular banter around teammates. Can't fault him for that. He has probably said and done way worse things around the media for years without some jackass calling him on it.
October 11 2013, 07:23PM
Interesting the media reaction on this. Watching Around the Horn and Sportsnet connected and a few other sports show the consensus among the reporters is that there really is no such thing as of the record in those situations however I have not heard 1 reporter/journalist/hack say that they would ever report on a comment made that way.
Just interesting is all
October 11 2013, 07:41PM
I do see your point but why would they allow them in the locker room at all?
I also doubt that he had " for the purity of journalism" in his heart as he reported this.
So I guess players let journalists record a lot of off the record comments?
Nothing to see here folks. Move on.
Really? For the most part I'm just a regular Joe that works his butt off in a labour intensive job. Yes, I am in management now and perhaps no longer on the front lines everyday, but do recall where I have come from.....How many times have you made a comment that you would not say at home or around anyone else other than the work boys while at work? Especially after a really good shift or otherwise.
If I had to answer to the world everyday after work about my performance..... Jason Botchford is a loser and his TSN interview was nothing but extra P.R. for him. He is thriving off this. Drives me nuts. His position in the locker is a privilege and he should respect it like local guys Cam Cole, Jim Matheson, Robin Brownlee etc have in the past......
What would have happened to Cam Cole had he done this to Mark Messier in the 80's??
October 11 2013, 09:40PM
Andin front of 16,000 people.
October 11 2013, 10:11PM
I'm not too concerned on whether it should or shouldn't have been publish. In short, who cares?
If anyone is actually getting worked up about what he said (I haven't met a person yet), then they clearly have no idea what goes on in a locker room. When you enter that environment, you know what you're getting yourself into.
October 11 2013, 11:18PM
Awwwww, look at the media writing about themselves and injecting each other into yet another fabricated "story".
How else do they artificially inflate their importance and get that attention they so desperately seek.
October 11 2013, 11:42PM
Great quote. Whether it should have been published or not, I'm glad it was. This is PG-13 compared to some stuff I'm sure is said on the ice.
Case in point (not safe for work):
Ref: 'Ryan, go for 10.'
Michael Ryan: 'For what?!'
Ref: 'For f**kin' around.'
Michael Ryan: 'F**K you, you f**kin' c**ksucker!'
Ref: 'GONE.'
Hilarious stuff
October 12 2013, 12:10AM
Anyone who would have published that joke needs to get a life...and then not tell us about that either.
I think what Thornton said was hilarious. If you were in his dressing room would you have stood up and told him that you felt his comments were inappropriate? No. Why - because there is nothing wrong at all with cracking that joke (especially in a dressing room!)
This is simply the act of a tattle-tale trying to suck up for his own gain. If that isn't clear then I don't know what you would feel is off the record for a pro athlete who has the right to live a private life, too. Go and start pawing through their garbage because it is your 'right' as the public 'has to know' about this. Quote of the year, my A**!
Joe has a right to make an off-coloured joke the same as all of us in the dressing room do. The point that should be made is that he was sticking up for a rookie - who doesn't even have a strong grasp of our language.
(Remember the backlash for Nail last year? I wish someone would have told those reporters to shut up last year too - especially those that never played the game themselves, then doled out judgement when they don't have a clue themselves what it is like to be a player.)
Personally, I think Jason Botchford just showed himself for what he really is. He isn't a hockey reporter, not in my books. Good luck in your next career!
Ironically, if he didn't like Joe's treatment of the other reporter if he would have reported THAT, and what he said directly to that reporter WITHOUT tattling by sharing a private joke - and came out and said his opinion about that objectively, I actually would have respected that - whether or not I agreed personally with his point of view. This was a chicken-sh*t, bush-league stunt - and I hope he himself gets sent down to the minors now that he has shown himself for what he is. Oh, and welcome to the 3 a.m. weather updates, di*k-head!
These imaginary lines don't mean much to me. I'm not in that hockey-world goldfish bowl, so I don't really care about what the reporter did.
But man, Joe's greasy...I shuddered reading that quote.


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Looks like Road was on 14th's side.
Is that tree special ? Was the wood piece that destroyed Tim Campy, a part of it ? Their mother called the Tree "Cornelia":
We still don't know who Allen is, why he has forgotten about Nea, why he became younger (it was suggested that it was Innocence's doing) and the like.
As much as this sudden update blew me away and left me soo happy, I didn't understand a thing! Too many different images packed into one and nowhere near enough comprehensible dialogue to understand what the heck happened! Now let's hope the next one does in fact come in february. Each update seems to bring up more questions these days :(
I see the start of an addiction! Oh boy, this is gonna be a good one.
^I'd like that, but they said it would come back in march. You must be quite an optimist.
I hope everything will be explained and revealed in the final chapters. Like in pandora hearts.
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I hope they are not suddenly going to Make the Millenium Earl a "VICTIM".
Oh, Poor, Poor Earl. He was only turning people into Akumas because his heart was broken. It wasn't his fault, the evil black order made him do it......
Man I hate Manga revisionism.
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Growing Old Gracefully is an Oxymoron ... Mostly Moron !
Then, there is the question if the Millennium Earl is the real Millennium Earl. We already know that the sword that Earl uses isn't his but Nea's, yet when Allen pulls out a reverse of it, Earl mentions in shock "my sword ?!". Later on, Nea himself mentions that his goal is to become Millennium Earl at some point in the alma arc. Not to mention that most, if not all of the tools that Earl created, are only copies or alterations of what Nea made himself (like the ark). Add to it that the current Earl is somewhat crazy and it might turn out that he unconsciously mimics the real Earl without knowing, especially seeing the way he refers and goes crazy at mere thought or sight of Nea. Do not forget that all of the other Noah's memories (beside Earl and Road) were corrupted, so there might be some inconsistencies in what they remember.
I'm not even sure what Apocryphos or the Heart had in mind, by erasing Allen's memories, giving him innocent and making him younger/giving him immortality ability, even thought they should know that the he was a host to 14th... unless, he obtained that immortality ability through different means and since he couldn't be killed, they erased his memories and inserted innocence into him to subdue 14th's memories, to later be able to absorb him and seal those memories eternally...
The fact that we see Mana holding unconscious or dead Nea (it seems that way) in the flashback, suggests that Nea's mind was already transfered to Allen before they (Earl and Mana) found him... or I just don't know anymore :p. Then again, even Mana, became crazy as well (why wasn't he killed by Earl at the spot ?), so his and Earl's memories might have crazy alteration added to them :p.
I'm not sure if any of you remember, but there was a time when we all believed that it was Mana (Nea's twin brother) that passed Nea's consciousness to Allen, because rationally speaking, Allen was too young to be alive at Nea's time (it was 35 years ago counting it from the current time in the manga), yet not long ago, it was revealed that Allen was in fact much older than he seems. It's probably Apocryphos doing that he lost his memories, along with the immortality ability. In fact, it seems like Allen would eventual revert to non-existence, if it wasn't for Mana's curse that somehow blocked this ability and allowed Allen to age again.
Now the twisted part. Allen would be about 60 years old (or less) normally, or even more, since his face as an adult is covered by his hair. This means that he could have children. But since his memories were erased and he began to age backwards, it means that his children/child could have been orphaned because of this. Now, we have Link, who was originally an orphan, yet Leveelier mentions that he is vital in saving Allen/14th. Then, Master Zuu mentions that he tired to save him but turned him into the 14th... in short, if Allen had children after obtaining Nea's mind and if it was Link (the name itself might have been the key ), it's possible that he has indeed become a back up for the 14th's memories.
But there is one thing you mentioned, on it perhaps being Apocryphos that made Allen young again. But remember there was a chapter where we saw Allen talking to a beat up Neah, and he was telling him that he would do whatever was necessary, for as long as it took, to help Neah? What if Allen did that to himself?! What if he also had some sort of ability and the only downfall of the plan was that Allen didn't remember? Neah wasn't surprised to be in Allen, but he did wonder why Allen didn't remember him...so I think Allen planned the whole thing but somewhere along the way, his plan failed and as you said the apocryphos got rid of his memory and gave him the innocence.
All your other ideas actually make so much sense it scares me. I mean the Link idea, so farfetched seeming at first but if Hoshino is that much of a genius, then..just..wow. I would LOVE that!
WaIITTT question: Why on earth didn't Link interfere in that last fight with the Earl? I would have thought he'd protect his buddy and perhaps even *dad* if Zero's anywhere near right Instead, Allen's off dealing with it on his own. No fair Hoshino. No fair. And isn't anyone else dying to know what he remembered?!
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LIVINGSTON, TEXAS — When the stunning news of the murders of Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland and his wife, Cynthia, found its way into the depths of the Texas prison system last month, it prompted cheers from many housed on part of the Polunsky Unit's solitary confinement wing.
None of those participating in the twisted celebration appeared to take any credit for the slayings or have any special knowledge about the crime. They were simply taking some satisfaction in the ugly thought that a part of the vast criminal justice network — their blood adversary — had suffered a terrible blow.
"Everybody was real happy."
The account, provided to USA TODAY in a prison interview with John Murray, a co-founder of the white supremacist Aryan Brotherhood of Texas prison gang, is part of what investigators are encountering in a wide-ranging and frustrating effort to solve the McLelland slayings and the murder in January of the district attorney's assistant, Mark Hasse. The prosecutors' office, just outside of Dallas, had assisted federal authorities in bringing charges against 34 Aryan gang members in November.
Murray, who claims to have disavowed his affiliation with the violent group, said he provided much of the same information to state investigators who, he said, questioned him within the past week about the murders.
Law enforcement's interest in the Aryan group and a separate white supremacist gang eyed in connection with the murder on March 19 of Tom Clements, director of the Colorado prison system, has injected an especially chilling dimension to cases that have captured national attention and spawned exhausting manhunts across the region.
Though Murray doubts that the Aryans would have authorized such a public strike and risked unwanted scrutiny, he said gang members were shaken by the indictment in November, which named some of the organization's most prominent leaders. The indictments charged members with a range of offenses, from racketeering to murder, kidnapping, assault and conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine and cocaine, according to the U.S. attorney's office in Houston.
In and out of prison, the gang numbers around 2,000 members, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has tracked the group.
Murray said he provided investigators with the name of at least one former associate who talked about elevating the profile of the group before his release from prison two years ago.
Confined since 1979 after the attempted murder of a San Angelo, Texas, police officer, Murray, 57, said he was not aware of any discussions inside the prison about targeting the McLellands or Hasse before their murders.
"I'm telling you what I told them," he said of his conversation with who he said were representatives of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice's Inspector General's Office.
The inspector general's office declined to comment, saying its interviews with inmates are generally related to criminal investigations and are confidential.
Murray's informant role was confirmed by a former law enforcement official with direct knowledge of his past cooperation. A second source, a prison official, said the inmate is among several people authorities are targeting for interviews as part of the Kaufman County inquiry. A third source, a federal law enforcement official, said investigators have been conducting interviews both inside and outside of prison walls in pursuit of information in a case that has shaken law enforcement well beyond the suburban Dallas community where the two prosecutors were murdered. The three sources are not authorized to comment publicly on the investigation.
In the end, the federal law enforcement official said, authorities could conclude that the gang has no connection to the killings because it is only one facet of an investigation that the official has described as an "open field."
After Clements' murder, believed to have been carried out by Evan Ebel, a former Colorado inmate with ties to a white supremacist group known as the 211 Crew, Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper ordered an investigation into whether prison gangs were targeting other public officials.
Though Ebel was killed in a shootout with Texas authorities days after Clements was shot to death when he answered his front door, Colorado authorities arrested another suspect — also with white supremacist ties — for questioning last week.
Investigators have found no connection between the Texas and Colorado killings, but the proximity of the killings and the victims' law enforcement affiliations have required investigators to consider the worst: that the officials were specifically targeted.
Hasse was gunned down Jan. 31 near the county courthouse. Mike and Cynthia McLelland were found shot to death in their home March 30. No arrests have been made in either case. A $200,000 reward has been offered for information leading to the conviction of the McLellands' killer.
Hasse's murder was preceded by an ominous statewide bulletin issued in December by the Texas Department of Public Safety. The bulletin warned that authorities had received "credible information" that the Aryan Brotherhood was "actively planning retaliation against law enforcement officials" who helped secure the federal indictments announced in November.
Murray said the federal case "initiated a new energy" within the group that might have been enough to push some extreme members to seek retaliation "if they felt like the 'family' had been threatened."
Murray, described in federal court records as a "founder" of the gang, said he was drawn to its ideology out of a need to establish order in the chaotic and predatory prison system.
Over the years, Murray said, he had become privy to orders to assault and or kill more than 30 inmates. Some efforts were successful; others were not. Claiming that he became increasingly disenchanted with the extreme prison violence in the early 1980s, Murray said he turned informant to help spare many of those targeted. In one unusual plot, Murray acknowledges rigging a radio to explode in the hands of another inmate. He said the attack, which Murray claims didn't seriously hurt anyone, was merely an attempt to "rehabilitate" the inmate for an attack on another.
"It was a bloodbath," Murray said, describing the period.
A former state official said Murray cooperated with authorities but disputed the extent of that cooperation.
Articulate and eager to talk, the inmate has the requisite body ink to display his gang affiliation. He urges visitors to look closely at the Aryan Brotherhood tattoo on his left forearm. He said it also shows proof of his later renouncement of the group: The word "voided" has been inked over the gang emblem.
His work as an informant, he said, has put him at risk. Murray said he has been "lucky" to survive, though much of his time is spent in solitary confinement near the state's heavily secure Death Row unit.
These days, Murray has a special reason to discuss his claimed cooperation and his departure from the family he helped found.
His 2011 parole application was denied, but a new request is under review, according to prison records. Sentenced to life for the attempted murder in 1979, Murray said he "didn't try to kill" the police officer. He fired at the patrol car, he said, out of anger because he believed his then-girlfriend had been "disrespected."
Though he was convicted in an attack against a police officer, Murray said he doesn't think his former "family" would act as a group and take such a chance as to target a law enforcement official, let alone two prosecutors.
"I have to say, most (Aryan members) are not very sharp people," he said, adding that many are consumed with the business of drug trafficking and exacting revenge against wayward members or rival groups. "Then again, any man trained in urban engagement" could probably carry out the assault like the one that claimed the McLellands.
"If they did do that, especially killing the wife," he said, "then I pray to God that they get them."


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WASHINGTON — Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has apologized for providing "clearly erroneous'' testimony to a Senate Committee about the nature of the National Security Agency's surveillance of Americans.
In a June 21 letter to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., posted Tuesday on the director's website, Clapper said that he was in error when, responding to a question posed by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., during a March hearing, he said that the government did not collect information on millions of Americans.
Clapper's statement prompted a storm of criticism last month when former defense contractor Edward Snowden disclosed details about two secret surveillance programs managed by the NSA, including a telephone record tracking operation that collects the telephone call records of millions of Americans.
"Because of the charged rhetoric and heated controversy prompted by my response…I am using this direct means of communication with you to set the record straight,'' Clapper said in the letter.
"Faced with the challenge of trying to give an unclassified answer about our intelligence collection activities, many of which are classified, I simply did not think of Section 215 of the Patriot Act,'' Clapper said, referring to the numerical provision for the phone tracking program.
Clapper said his answer, instead, mistakenly focused on a separate surveillance program which targets non-citizens who are operating outside the country.
The director said he erroneously seized on that program because "we had just been through a year-long campaign to seek reauthorization of this provision and had had many classified discussions about it with Sen. Wyden.''
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Plus he went to my high school.
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he left us in shambles!
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Your kidding right? The guy turned around our franchise, which was a laughing stock if you can remember. We went on to have some real good years after Parcells due to the fact that he left us in good shape. And how did he cost us Belichick, Beli was Bill's handpicked sucessor, he just did not want the job and quit. Would I take him as a consultant, hell yea, the guy knows football. I'll always respect him for what he has done for the Jets.
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Parcells did leave us with Abraham, Ellis, Pennington, Martin, Chrebet, Jason Ferguson, Aaron Glenn, Marcus Coleman, Mawae etc who made up the nucleus of the team in Herm's early years. All apart from Glenn and Coleman (plus more) were on that team that was a FG away from making the AFC Championship game.
I'd love to see him come back as he is one of the most knowledgable coaches and would be a great guy to help develop Mangini into a better coach as it would give the young coach another sounding board to get opinions from.
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12 And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth.
13 And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him.
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17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right
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by Joe Buscaglia
posted Aug 6 2014 12:18AM
When the Buffalo Bills opened up their preseason schedule on Sunday with a loss to the New York Giants, they likely hoped to get back on the practice field this week and attempt to fix the mistakes they made. As the team returned to the turf at St. John Fisher College, the rust that was evident against the Giants resided with them through Tuesday night.
It was not a sharp practice for a few different parties up and down the Bills roster — specifically on the offensive side of the ball. While there were a couple of defensive standouts, the session was mostly dominated by the poor performance from the side of the ball employed to score points.
Just like in Canton, EJ never got going
- EJ Manuel's day in Canton was overblown by some, but his performance on Tuesday did not inspire much confidence for his first time back on the field since. During the team's first preseason game Manuel never really got into the flow of the game and ended up with his now well-known and, well, poor stat line. As noted by WGR following the contest, Manuel's decisiveness during the game was one of his strong points, regardless of how the plays turned out. That all but vanished on Tuesday outside a handful of instances, often times waiting too long for his read to come open. One of his biggest enemies has been standing back for too long and patting the ball, eventually settling for either the dump-off option or for a quarterback scramble. It's borderline inexcusable to tuck the ball and run during a 7-on-7 drill where there is no pass rush, which is what Manuel has done on many occasions. The shots down the field on go routes are worked into the game plan and he's taught to take the shot if there is single coverage. Outside of that, though, he needs to get out of his comfort zone and fit the ball into tight windows, or else he'll just continue to settle for the small stuff. Teams will figure that out quite quickly.
Offensive line blues
- Manuel had his share of struggles in the pocket, but in no way was he helped out by the starting contingent of offensive linemen that were on the field Tuesday. Of the five starters, only Eric Wood had a fairly positive and consistent day, while left tackle Seantrel Henderson, left guard Chris Williams, right guard Kraig Urbik and right tackle Erik Pears all gave up ground to their opponent, granting the defense penetration to thwart whatever play was coming their way. Williams couldn't seem to get his footing and was dominated by Marcell Dareus whenever the two were matched up. The struggles of Urbik continued as well, which is a great indication of why the Bills are looking all over the roster to find his replacement in the starting lineup. No one on the offensive line had a worse day than Henderson, however, but we'll get back to him in just a bit.
Tuel the favorite for backup duty?
- While there may be some talk of a natural rotation with the backup quarterbacks, there was a definitive change in how the repetitions were divvied between Jeff Tuel and Thad Lewis. Before Tuesday, either Tuel or Lewis would get a set of snaps with the second team in the first portion of team drills. Once the Bills returned to their team drills after some other work, whoever did not get the second-team snaps the first time around would then receive them. On Tuesday, there was no such rotation. Tuel, the second-year undrafted free agent, received every single second-team snap during team drills during the Bills' most recent practice. It isn't any surprise, due to Lewis being downright dreadful in both practices and the team's first preseason game. Tuel has a definitive leg up on the competition now, and could possibly lock it up with a week or two more of quality performances.
Richardson's reps continue
- The right guard competition has been well-documented and the rotation that was seen at the end of last week has continued even after the first preseason game. Kraig Urbik once again split first-team snaps with fifth-round rookie Cyril Richardson and it doesn't appear there is any end in sight for that current setup. While team drills were going on, whoever was not in with the first-team on a given rep stands next to offensive line coach Pat Morris and prepares for his next set of snaps. The Bills have now tried J.J. 'Unga, Chris Hairston and now Richardson to try and replace Urbik as the starting right guard. Actions speak louder than words, and Urbik needs to cling onto his job with every nail that he has.
Is Hogan a lock?
- A surprising development from the game on Sunday was in regards to wide receiver Robert Woods not being a part of the first-team offense in any capacity. Instead, the starting receivers were Sammy Watkins, Mike Williams and camp standout Chris Hogan played slot receiver with EJ Manuel and company. While Woods received some reps with EJ Manuel on Tuesday, Hogan was once again the player mainly residing as the slot receiver with the first team. It was an accepted notion that four of the wide receiver spots on the roster were spoken for with Watkins, Williams, Woods and Marquise Goodwin. Now, that number may need to be bumped up to five. Chris Hogan has done mostly everything right and the coaches have taken notice in a big way.
Day 12 MVP: DT Marcell Dareus
- Most of the recap was consisting of updates on offense because their poor performance was the story of the session. However, Marcell Dareus had a gem of a practice in his domination of the team's interior offensive line, and namely, left guard Chris Williams. The defensive tackle continued to rip through the line during team drills on both running and passing plays. His mix of power, balance and speed was far too much for Williams and company to contain Tuesday.
Day 12 LVP: OT Seantrel Henderson
- The rookie left tackle played well on Sunday against the New York Giants, but he had a rookie type of performance in their first practice back. Henderson failed to execute on his assignments, being the main contributor to EJ Manuel taking a sack at least two times. One on play, Henderson inexplicably went to block the inside man while defensive end Manny Lawson went unblocked and unexcitedly walked into the backfield. The run game wasn't much of a success for Henderson (or for the rest of the starting offensive line, really), either. He has been the strongest rookie offensive lineman so far for Buffalo, but Tuesday needs to be chalked up as a down day.
Up Next
: The Bills return to the practice field one more time before their next preseason game. They're scheduled to practice at 2 pm on Wednesday. The session is open to the general public.
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A call came in at 6 a.m. on Oct. 6 to the Emery County Dispatch alerting them that an ambulance was needed at the Gas-n-Go in Green River. A male subject and three children were in need of medical assistance. Their vehicle wrecked on I-70 and they hitched a ride into town with a truck driver. The four people were transported to Castleview Hospital in Price.
When Utah Highway Patrol Trooper Edward Bentley went out to the scene of the accident, a number of suspicious items were found. Literature containing information on how to construct a bomb was found at the scene. A bullet proof vest was also found and security guard uniforms, duty leather and a holster, but the man was not a security guard. Hidden at the scene in a wash was a 10 gauge shot gun. The gun was concealed in a package which looked like a seat cushion, and the package did not look like it concealed a weapon. The vehicle also contained information about the fault lines in California and where they lie and water line information concerning California. Anti-American literature was also found as well as camouflage clothing.
These suspicious items brought the Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the scene for investigation into the matter. Det. Sgt. Robert Blackburn from the Emery County Sheriff's Office also aided in the search. Blackburn reported that the vehicle had originated in California and was traveling to Denver, Colo. at the time of the accident. The driver was Ruben Yepez Oseguera, 60, traveling with him were his two sons and a granddaughter. The driver did not speak English and the officers from the various agencies spoke with him through translators.
Oseguera told officers that he was transporting the children to Denver. He said he has custody of the two sons. Their mother came and picked them up at the hospital and recovered their belongings from the Emery County Sheriff's Office. Everything at the scene of the accident has been transported to the sheriff's office.
Officer Tim Charde of Homeland Security said the Emery County Sheriff's Office released Oseguera to be transported to a hospital up north. He is suffering with head and spine injuries. Charde reported they had closed the investigation into the case. It appears Oseguera is here in the country legally and possesion of a gun is not a crime. Charde described the whole incident as being very strange, but not illegal. He said the highway patrol might file charges because Oseguera was operating a vehicle without a valid driver's license and the vehicle did not have license plates or registration information.
Violations also included improper lane travel, seat belt violations, no insurance and giving false information to an officer. Oseguera also left the scene of the accident.


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Recipe from How to Cook Everthing.
Pasta with Leeks and Parsley
Makes: About 4 servings
Time: 30 minutes
Leeks become tender quickly enough to make a distinctive sauce for pasta in little more time than it takes to boil the water and cook the pasta. And teamed with the classic southern Italian quartet of garlic, chile, parsley, and olive oil (butter's good, too), the sauce is delicious.


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A white older canine misses several treats that are thrown, set to classical music. The canine is finally successful at the end! Nom nom nom woof!
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Just because that handsome pup lacks to depth perception to play stupid human games does not mean he is less deserving of our love.
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Chapter 2
Christ gives eternal glory to the elect—Shun contention and seek godliness.
1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to
3 Thou therefore endure
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5 And if a man also
6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first
7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be
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19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of
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22 Flee also youthful
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Sturgis Motorcycle Rally
Smell the freedom ... and the leather. From the Black Hills to the Badlands, Sturgis Motorcycle Rally offers plenty of curves on the roads ... and in the bars. Get your motor runnin' for a wild ride.
Sturgis Main Street
Sturgis Main StreetWelcome to "ground zero" -- the hub of activity during bike week. Sturgis may be named after a 19th-century military officer (Samuel Sturgis) but its claim to fame is the annual bike rally. Every year, the small city of 6,700 people sees huge crowds -- last year's rally attracted 416,727 people. Here, a shot of Main Street during rally week. 960 1280
Black Hills Copter Ride
Black Hills Copter RideIt's not just motorcycles you can enjoy during rally week, it's helicopters, too. Soar above the Black Hills mountaintops, and take in views of the area's other historic towns -- Lead, Deadwood, Keystone and Custer -- that also roar with activity during bike week. 960 1280
Sturgis Tricks
Sturgis TricksAt Sturgis, it's often the time to turn tricks and show off. The rider is Jeremiah Wood, a performer in the AMD Wall of Death crew. The bike is fastened down to 2 metal poles, which allow the riders to run the engine and make the wheels turn without the bike going anywhere. 960 1280
Ride to Mount Rushmore
Ride to Mount RushmoreBikers head 37 miles from downtown Sturgis to see the top landmark in South Dakota's Black Hills area: Mt. Rushmore. The most direct route is Interstate 90 -- exit at Rapid City and follow US Highway 16 southwest to Keystone and then Highway 244 to Mount Rushmore. 960 1280
Deadwood Casinos
Deadwood CasinosGambling was part of the scene in the Old West -- and still is today. Head 11 miles from Sturgis to Deadwood: The historic town bustles with the cha-ching of slot machines at casinos such as The Midnight Star (owned by actor Kevin Costner) and, pictured here, Mustang Sally's. 960 1280
Lodging in Sturgis
Lodging in SturgisLodging options in the Sturgis area include mountain cabins, bed-and-breakfasts, campsites, chain hotels and mom-and-pop operations like Welsh's Motel in Wall, SD -- about 80 miles from Sturgis. Closer by, the towns of Rapid City, Hill City, Keystone, Spearfish and Custer are especially busy during bike week. 960 1280
Crazy Horse Memorial
Crazy Horse MemorialIn 1929 a Lakota elder named Henry Standing Bear wrote a letter to a Polish-American sculptor (Korczak Ziolkowski) about creating a monument to honor Native American war hero Crazy Horse. Today, work on the "world's largest mountain carving," as the Crazy Horse Memorial is called, is still ongoing, about 17 miles from Mt. Rushmore. During bike week, 2 mountain blast-carvings will occur. 960 1280
Broken Spoke Campground
Broken Spoke CampgroundPitch a tent at Broken Spoke, one of several campgrounds near Sturgis. The 600-acre grounds hold plenty of action during bike week: Activities include live musical performances (Uncle Kracker is among the headliners) and the first-ever Miss Broken Spoke Saloon beauty contest -- see contestants vie for a $5,000 cash prize … in bikinis. 960 1280
Ride-Thru Saloon
Ride-Thru SaloonSpanning 3,000 square feet, the Broken Spoke Saloon isn't just made for walking. Here, bikers rev up for a ride-through the saloon. The enormous space features a tattoo shop, 2 retail shops, an art gallery, a VIP lounge, a mechanics shop, 5 bars and a huge performance stage. 960 1280
Devils Tower
Devils TowerAnother must-see attraction is Devils Tower, a rock formation that rises more than 1,200 feet above the surrounding terrain. From Sturgis, head west on 1-90 to cross the Wyoming border -- the scenic route includes views of rolling hills and rivers, pine forests, rock formations and bluffs, small towns, ranches and farmland. 960 1280
The Wall That Heals
The Wall That HealsThis half-scale replica of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, DC, was unveiled on Veteran's Day in 1996. Since then, it has traveled to more than 350 towns and cities nationwide. Now comes Sturgis. For the third year in a row, the area's Broken Spoke Campground will be home to The Wall That Heals during bike week. 960 1280
Sturgis Stunts
Sturgis StuntsA biker "pops a wheelie" at Sturgis Motorcycle Rally. That's just the beginning of the stunts on display. This year stunt rider Toby Baker will attempt to reclaim the Guinness World Record's title of "Longest Motorcycle Ride Through a Tunnel of Fire." The fiery tunnel will exceed a distance of 230 feet -- and temperatures of 2,900 degrees. 960 1280
Hill City Rally
Hill City RallyHill City may be 55 miles from Sturgis but it still roars with motorcycles during bike week. Nearby attractions include Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse Memorial and Custer State Park. The town is also near the center of the Black Hills, earning it the nickname "Heart of the Hills." 960 1280
Iron Mountain Road
Iron Mountain RoadA biker winds through the southern part of the Black Hills on Iron Mountain Road. The 16-mile stretch of road is part of US Route 16A, which is famous for its "pigtail" bridges and scenic 1-lane tunnels that align to frame the presidential faces on Mount Rushmore. 960 1280
Custer State Park Buffalo
Custer State Park BuffaloBuffalo roam free in Custer State Park, about 67 miles from Sturgis. The park is the largest in South Dakota, spanning 71,000 acres. Bikers visiting the park during the annual motorcycle rally can pay a flat fee of $10 for an extended pass to the park. 960 1280
Sturgis Rodeo
Sturgis RodeoThere's more than one way to get wild in Sturgis. This year also brought a regional rodeo event to the town. The June event attracted top cowboys and cowgirls on the PRCA (Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association) circuit -- along with the fiercest bulls and broncs. 960 1280
Camaro Rally
Camaro RallyThe Sturgis Motorcycle Rally isn't the only time to rev it up in town. An annual Camaro Rally, now in its third year (the next event is scheduled for June 27-30, 2013), attracts Camaro lovers from all over the country. Activities include poker runs to Mount Rushmore. 960 1280
Buffalo Chip Fire-Breather
Buffalo Chip Fire-BreatherA fire-breather puts on a show at the Buffalo Chip. Additional campground shows during rally week include midget bowling (don't ask), "lingerie for life" (see "one-of-a-kind" bras) and a skit by Cheryl the Hypnotist (audience members have imagined everything from being exotic dancers to, um, witnessing UFOs). 960 1280
Buffalo Chip Camping
Buffalo Chip CampingIt's just you, the blue skies and your motorbike at the Buffalo Chip campground. Well, maybe, you should bring just a little bit more -- don't forget to look over your motorcycle trip checklist. 960 1280
Badlands National Park
Badlands National ParkBad boys head for the Badlands. About 90 miles from Sturgis, Badlands National Park spans 242,756 acres of eroded buttes, pinnacles and spires; it's also home to the largest protected mixed-grass prairie in America. The Badlands are easy to reach from I-90. 960 1280
Wild Bill Hickok Grave
Wild Bill Hickok GraveThought Sturgis was crazy? Explore the wild and crazy times of Wild Bill Hickok in the town of Deadwood. The folk hero of the American frontier met his end while playing poker in Deadwood back in August 1876; you'll find his gravesite monument in town. 960 1280
Sturgis Rally Concerts


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- Rabbits are similar to rodents in that they have incisor teeth that continually grow. Rabbits form the Family Leporidae under which there are over 50 species.
- A male rabbit is called buck and a female one is called doe. A baby rabbit is called kitten or a kit. Rabbits can mate when they are 3 months old and can have babies when they are 6 months old. The gestation period of a rabbit is only 30 days. They can produce 20 to 40 babies a year.
- After birth, all the baby rabbits are known as a litter. The size of the litter is usually between 4 to 8 kits. Babies are born blind and without fur. Babies open their eyes at about 10 days. Kits get weaned at between 6 to 8 weeks. Rabbits feed their babies only for about 5 minutes a day. Domestic rabbits can't breed with the wild ones.
- Rabbits are herbivores (plant eating) mammals. The eat vegetables, tree bark and herbs. A rabbit's diet is very important. The wrong food can kill a rabbit. A 4 pound rabbit will drink as much water as a 20 pound dog.
- Rabbits are social, loving and interactive animals. They live in groups called herds in a home called a warren. The average lifespan of a rabbit is between 8 to 10 years.
- Rabbits weigh between 2 to 11 pounds. Rabbits have a very good memory. Rabbits have long sensitive ears, which can turn in any direction and can also help in regulating their temperature. Rabbits can make various sounds. Rabbits have large eyes and a blind spot right in front of their face.
- Rabbits can see behind themselves without rotating their heads. Rabbits have 28 teeth, which keep on growing continuously throughout its life. Rabbits chew 120 times a minute and have over 17,000 taste buds in their mouth. Rabbits love to chew.
- Rabbits are crepuscular, that is they are most active at dawn and dusk. When rabbits are happy, they perform a series of jumps, twists and runs, which is termed as binky. Rabbits require at least four hours exercise a day. They can suffer from osteoporosis if they don't get enough exercise.
- Rabbits can jump as long as 36 inches and higher and can run about 35 miles an hour.
- The predators of the rabbit are coyote, fox and wolves. A predator can literally scare a rabbit to death.
- Rabbits can't vomit, and they are very susceptible to over-heating and can suffer from a heat stroke. The only place a rabbit sweats is on the pads of its feet.
- Rabbits don't like being picked up. Rabbits clean, or groom, themselves. They do not hibernate.
Rabbit Facts
Rabbits are mammals that belong to the Lagomorph order that also includes hares and pikas (Lagomorph means 'hare-shaped'). There are over 45 different breeds of rabbits and one common misconception is that rabbits are rodents because they have incisor teeth that continually grow. Keep reading for more rabbit facts and information.


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Teach Us to Number Our Days 0
The New Testament reading for April 9 fit perfectly with our chapel guest, Bailey Heard. Bailey's husband Andrew passed away last year from lung cancer at the age of 30. Bailey shared an inspirational story of Andrew's determination to make the most of every moment that he had left on this earth. Following his diagnosis of cancer he went on to write two books. A Gray Faith: Walking Through the Dark Parts of This Life, is about walking in faith during difficult and challenging trials. The second book was an Alphabet picture book of animals for his daughter Ellie. He drew an animal for each letter and included an inspirational quote on each page as well.
Andrew's determination to complete those books after his diagnosis is such an inspiration to me. He could have easily decided to spend his time focusing on himself and doing all the things that he enjoyed doing. Instead he felt compelled to finish the book because he wanted it to be a lasting testimony of his faith that would serve as an encouragement to others.
Luke 13:1-9 is an interesting parable that is only found in Luke's gospel. The crowd asked Jesus if a group of Gentiles that were murdered by Pilate deserved to die in such a horrific manner. Jesus responded to say that there is no equation at work that justifies or explains why bad things happen to people. Human nature wants an explanation for things and we often jump to a similar conclusion when something bad happens to someone as we wonder "what did they do to deserve that?" The answer that Jesus provides, "but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish" is a great reminder for us. Notice Jesus rejected the notion that they deserved to be murdered but emphasized that all of us will die and it is most important that we be prepared no matter when or why the death occurs. Of course we want answers and explanations but Jesus reminds us that the most important element is that we acknowledge our need for him and recognize Him as the Son of God while we have the opportunity.
In the same way, Andrew Heard reminds us to live our lives with meaning and purpose as we don't know when our lives will end. We have not been promised long and healthy lives but we must be faithful with the life we are given, no matter how long that life may be. In the words of the Psalmist: "Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom." (Psalm 90:12)