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February 23 2009 01:38PM
Sometimes the Oilers gas one in the Battle of Alberta and you don't even get to see the game. Sometimes you buy bunk celebrity nudie magazines. Sometimes the haters start to get you down. What can you do right?
You write about it. That's what you do.
Disappointment #1: Oilers lose the Battle of Alberta, we are working during the game.
We were so excited to go to war in the Battle of Alberta on the Nation. Like seriously we were excited-like-this-kid-is-excited excited:
As the big day of the game drew near it became more and more clear that we were going to have to go out of town for the day job for the weekend. This is one of the few suck things about the day job. We are often cut off from real life and sent out of town. We figured on game night we would duck out early, head to the hotel and plug into $20 internet access just in time for puck drop. To keep from boring you to tears of blood about our night, not only did we not get to participate in the GDB – which reads hilariously by the way – but we didn't even get to see the game. Sometimes we feel like life is passing us by. No joke.
Silver lining #1: Loved reading the GDB
When we read the opinions of Flames fans addressing the OilersNation and the thundering replies we nearly died laughing. It's exactly as we hoped it would be. We have absolutely no idea what people around the league think of the Oil. Finding out what Flames fans think obviously couldn't possibly matter less, but it is non-stop awesome watching the Citizens of the Nation banding together and defending the fortress.
There is no doubt that while the Oilers may limp along during the season, the OilersNation would go 82-0 defeating all the fans of all the other teams. It's not even close. We have to figure out how to find more reinforcements for the seven Flames fans that dared enter the Nation and engaged us all in battle. Perhaps the Oil could do us the slightest favor and win a game or two. That couldn't hurt our swagger.
Promise #1: We are working on a way to bring JL meetings with you using some variety of mobile application.
Maybe it's an iPhone application or something you can download onto your BlackBerry. All we know is that we want to be connected to our precious Nation 24/7 so that when we are sitting in a banquet missing the entire game we can ask the JL "what is happening? What is the score?" 147 times per period. Yeah, that will be so sweet.
Anyway you slice it we are committed to working at a day job to pay for the upgrades to the Nation so we can miss Battle of Alberta games because of the day job required to pay for the Nation. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it?
Shut up.
Disappointment #2: The Aubrey O'Day Playboy
Yeah we buy celebrity nudie magazines. So what? Wanna fight about it?
If anyone out there doesn't know who Aubrey O'Day because they are living in some variety of underground bunker – she is one of these quasi-singers recruited via reality TV to a band that will soon be forgotten. In Aubrey's case the show was Making the Band and the band is Danity Kane. Miss O'Day is hands down one of the wildest dames in all of music today. So when we read that she has upped her game from flashing passing motorists on a freeway to posing in Playboy we knew we had to get ourselves some of that. And quick.
Quick question: Did anyone else know that Playboy is basically as interesting as an issue of Canadian Home and Garden? We had no idea that we would be buying a crappy version of Maxim with 2% more nudity and 98% less interesting articles. We sat down to look at some cans and ended up reading a seven page article written by the brother of the Unabomber (true story.) Even worse, the photos of O'Day were so photoshopped and looked so little like her that it could have been Sandra Day O'Connor for all we could tell. This could not be more disappointing to us.
Silver lining #2: There is no silver lining when you spend your hard earned dough on bunk celebrity nudie magazines. There just isn't. *looks at Aubrey O'Day playboy sitting on desk at Nation HQ, shakes fist at cover*
Disappointment #3: Haters
Crappy nudie magazines aside, one of the biggest disappointments of the past 12 months has been the number of haters that have come out of the woodwork and are trying to mess with our junk here on the interwebs. Now we have to admit we don't necessarily know who all the blogs are out there and who everyone one is. We follow a couple dozen sweet blogs and when we find Nation haters out there we generally just go somewhere else. It's really easy to do but apparently our haters feel the need to visit here on a regular basis and rant and rave. At the present time we are spending a ton of time defending the Nation from hater commenters, hater bloggers, hater reporters and even worse types of uber-haters out there.
We are all for freedom of speech but it is getting to be a bit much. We want to spend our time debating Liam Reddox's contributions on the fourth line and drawing pretty pictures, not dealing with Buzz Killeringtons and their complete and utter bullshit. We don't mind deleting commentary here and there. There is a special thrill that comes with writing swear words and poo poo talk on a website. We get that. It's when it goes a step further and leaves the zone of "slightly annoying shit" and enters into the realm of "shit-where-people-are-just-being-dicks-for-the-sake-of-being-dicks-type-shit" that it starts to really break us down.
Recent example? Jason Gregor's "plagarism."
Holy fuck people. You're serious right? We come up with a contest idea of suggesting a promotion for a soon-to-be-craptacular Oil Cats game. Gregor tells us he will dig up some stuff and sends us an article complete with list of promotions for minor league baseball teams to get the brains of the Nation started. He doesn't even charge us for the article and donates the tickets from his own personal stash for a Nation reader to win. We paste the article into our little blogging software which takes out the formatting and fonts and we don't realize that there are quotes in it cause as per usual we are doing 1000 things at once. Could you have a geekier mistake that couldn't be of less consequence once it is fixed?
Let's be very clear here: Honest mistake by me. Not Gregor at all in any way, shape or form.
So then someone reading the article is genuinely clever enough to figure out that these promotion descriptions are from other articles and points it out. Fair enough - that is certainly worth bringing to the attention of the class. We get that and would never delete that kind of commentary. Instead we read the comment and almost have a heart attack when we realize what we did and quickly text Gregor an apology. He classily says "honest mistake dude don't worry about it." Then a boatload of folk barrage him with comments and personal emails as though they are detectives on the trail of the crime of the century.
You're serious right? Jason Gregor – actual big time journalist that makes appearances daily on radio, internet and even national TV – is going run the risk of being busted plagiarizing on an article about minor league baseball promotions as a pretext to give away his own Oilers tickets? Do you know how many times we beg Gregor to give away tickets on here? We literally ask him once a week. Think he is going to be in a rush to give us tickets again? For heavens sakes haters. Get a dose of reality. We personally could give two squirts of piss about people who hate this website.
But what if these haters somehow piss off the real writers on here enough that they:
- Stop trying as hard
- Don't give away tickets or heaven forbid
- Decide that the $1.24 we pay per article isn't worth it and quit writing
Wouldn't that be a treat?
So yeah. From now the authors have the ability to delete comments on their own articles. If that keeps them happy and frees us up to do other Nation stuff then so be it. We love the Nation and we will be damned if a handful of haters are going to come on here and ruin our fun.
The other 99.87% of the Nation - we love you long time. Who wants a slightly used Aubrey O'Day playboy? Huh? HUH?
February 23 2009, 01:50PM
*google image searches "Aubrey O'Day"*
February 23 2009, 01:53PM
Hey wait a second, I wrote that same article last week thats it, I'm SO writing swear words !!
... in my next post
February 23 2009, 01:53PM
Dont be a dick Monday Guy
February 23 2009, 01:58PM
"Dickwad Theory"..yes, it was in my social studies class. We also discussed the dynamics of "Wagonjupmers", " I wrote a paper called "Hiarchy of pissants " Only got a D+
And I think I sat behind Buzz Killerington..
I think he moved to Calgary, times are slow for him, works for the City, sweeping up after cup wins.
Just how "slightly used" are we talking?
I really don't understand the logic of having Flames fans post on here. Debating with "Phaneufdoesnotlikesloppyseconds212" is like arguing with a dog whether kibbles n bits or chow wow is better, in that like a dog the Flames just don't know and think a bone (or win) is a bone. Where we citizens of the Nation have tasted the goods and after years of living the high life can differentiate between the two, sure it was twenty years ago, but it was 5 times and it was good. We are in the know, and when you're in the know you know that those who brag about chow wow just don't know.
February 23 2009, 02:16PM
I've been reading the blogs for quite some time now and I pretty much check all of the frequently updated ones on a daily basis. One thing that has always annoyed the hell out of me is how much hating there is going on. There is a little clique over at the geek squad that has that holier than thou, pretentious attitude. Are we not all cheering for the same team? So I totally get that everybody is going to have differing opinions on the value of say... a Shawn Horcoff or the abilities of a Craig MacTavish, but what's with all the personal attacks. Tyler and Dennis come here or stay on their own sites and constantly bash the likes of Gregor and Brownlee and I can't see why. Those guys (Tyler and Dennis) are obviously smart and have well thought out ideas when it comes to the operations of the team but are way too relentless on the personal attacks because they feel that MSM guys don't have the balls to constantly be in Lowe or MacTavish's faces telling them how much they suck or something. It's utter bullsh*t. Borwnlee and Gregor give us an insight to the team that you can't get anywhere else and the hardcore fan in me is thankful every single day that they do. Ok, so oilernation isn't all about corsi numbers or how many goals Penner scores if he takes a sh*t before as opposed to after a game. (Willis is here and his articles blow everything else on the 'sphere out of the water) And yes The contributions of JSBM and Wanye may be on the immature side... But that's what this sites appeal is. I love it. If it doesn't make you happy then you can read MC79 if you want to read about scoring chances, or Lowetide if you want to read about batting percentages or well written stories that tie into the current state of the Oilers over a Black dog. They all have their appeal. They don't offer everything I want in a site and quite frankly are frequently commented on by some arrogant know it alls, but we don't need to be over there telling them how much they suck. It's such a piss off. I just don't get it.
Travis FMNF
February 23 2009, 02:22PM
@ Travis Dakin:
Well said.
February 23 2009, 02:42PM
Ive said before, and Ill say again. Its not Jason and Robin's job to bring the fan's view to the team, its their job to bring the team's view to the fans.
@ Travis Dakin: I'm so voting for you for Gov. Gen. of OilersNation.
It would be a real shame to see this site lose Gregor and or Brownlee because of what appears to be some sort of inferiority complex (or would it be superiority complex? anyways there is a complex in there somewhere) by a few individuals.
I don't say that because I think Brownlee's or Gregor's opinions are so much more valuable than other peoples, although I would consider them positive contributors to the discussions, but more on point as an Oilers fan I simply can't get enough real info on the team. On the occcassions that they share what they know through their team access I truly appreciate it.
Anyways and more importantly, what I want to know is what the effects of plagerizing has on Penner's even strength pts/60 while playing the second period of an away game during the month on January is?
February 23 2009, 03:04PM
@ Travis Dakin: @ Jack "FMNF" Bauer:
Well said, both.
@ Deep Oil: In the spirit of not hating, I hereby formally apologize to Deep Oil for making fun of him. While I can't understand a quarter of what he says and disagree with most of the rest, I still get the impression that he probably knows something about the NHL and is passionate about hockey and the Oilers. That should be enough for me to keep the commentary impersonal and centered on the issues, not on the individual making the statements. Sorry, D.O.
It only stretches so far, though. Hard to stay impersonal when W.T. or T.W. or whatever he's referring to himself in the third person as today is . . . [bites lip] . . . But . . . no hating. I'll try . . . [grinds teeth] . . . no hating.
February 23 2009, 03:07PM
And by the way.... That picture with the baby holding the baby is freaking me the hell out. Seriously. Wow.
Nation, I love you, my first read in the morning, check the site like 99 times a day.....I don't know how I'd waste my day without you.....Let me know where them haters be, and I'll make em myBTCH!!!!!!!
February 23 2009, 03:17PM
@ Travis Dakin:
For the record I wasn't actually referring to mc79hockey folk. They seem reasonable enough though I haven't spoken to either of them directly.
Baby holding baby - so weird. And even weirder that it comes up when you google disappointment.
@ everyone :
For the other record I think we are VERY lucky to have Brownlee and Gregor on here writing, as well as Willis and JSBM of course. I seriously know 15x what I used to know about hockey. That was very little before, so 15x 'very little' equals 'a bit' but it is a step in the right direction.
If they left it would be me and Willis. We would have to send JSBM down to RX1 dressed as custodians in the hope they could trick MacT into giving them a quote. Then where would we be?
February 23 2009, 03:23PM
I love how people are so quick to get on their internet high horse and piss on people about stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with them. So what, you read an article you thought was plagerized. Stop reading stuff from the author from now on. Pretty simple.
But I guess when no woman will touch you, you have to take your anger out on someone.
I might go back and forth with Gregor over his love of Rick Rypien but the whole idea of whether he cribbed that promotional piece isn't a battle I've dug in my heels on.
My lone comment was because I thought Gregor was rather arrogant about blogs in his interview with Staples but then he goes and either rips something off or perhaps just makes a mistake. My only question how would be act if it was something being cribbed From him or not properly attributed To him.
I thought that was a fair question.
Now, if Joanne Ireland or Jim Matheson was a guest blogger on this site, I would ask them the same question that I ask of Brownlee: why is it that no one ever questions Lowe's contributions to our history of not making the playoffs. It's either that people are afraid of the big dog of they think he's done a good job. So, I've put that same question to Brownlee and he refuses to say if he thinks Lowe's done a good job or not; if he had an opinion, the direction of that conversation would've swung a long time ago.
The thing that shocks me - and really shocked me into taking a challenging approach - is how posters here don't react to being put down and/or told that their opinions are wrong.
I respect the fact that guys like Jason and Robin are trained reporters and know how to collect news and fashion them into stories but that doesn't make their opinion anymore valid than mine or yours. I don't see any Bill James' around here but he wrote a heck of a lot of what has now been fashioned into baseball doctrine from a house in Kansas. He didn't have to go to Yankee stadium to know what Mickey Rivers stealing bases meant and you don't have to go interview Ethan Moreau to know he's been taking dumb penalties for years and that he's now making enough money to the point where he can't perform to or above that contract.
And the fact that you'll let guys delete comments means they aren't interested in a fair discourse and it also means it bothers them when people question them.
Which means they probably shouldn't read any sites other than the ones they can control.
In closing, I've never attacked Brownlee personally and I've never threatened violence; I've only questioned why he writes or doesn't write what he writes. I don't think that's worthy of censorship but, hey, it's your playground and you can let anybody you want dictate the rules therein.
And, for the record, I now listen to Gregor almost daily, love the insight he and Brownlee can give, as well as how they comment back on our comments. I really don't know where else you can get. And the immaturity, well, come on, isn't that what it's all about? Talk some hockey, have some fun.....NATION ROCKSSS!!!!!!!
@ Ender the Dragon: Ender, Deep Oil scares the hell out of me with his really insightful comments one moment to his absolute crazy-dude-on-the-corner-yelling-at-the-stop-sign ramblings the next. He does sound like he knows a thing or two about a lot of not-so-public Oilers info and that's interesting. I can say, if there was a beer to be had with someone from this site, Deep Oil would be a guy I'd sit down with just to see if he's a dude in the know or a dude that yells at stop signs.
OilersNation... you guys rock. And I don't just mean the bloggers here, but I mean the fans everywhere.
My buddy and I decided to go on a road trip to cheer on our beloved Oil. We picked Phoenix and flew down there to cheer them on. We were feeling pretty cool and special, but we totally noticed that the plane was full of people wearing Oiler gear.
Then we get to the game and there is all the people milling around the little commercial centre they have around the Jobing.com arena, and most of them were in Oilers Jerseys. That's RIGHT!!!
So we get to our seats, and are marvelling at the amount of Oilers fans, and when the anthems get sung, guess which one was louder! Oh Canada. Now I knew I was in the twilight zone. My beloved Oil rewarded me with a victory, and we got to hear the huge cheer when our team scored three times!!!
There are not many things that make a guy feel more awesome than a home away from home like that. Golf in February isn't a bad thing either though.
You haters take a few happy pills and be happy to be part of the magic if/when the Oilers make another run. there are few places on Earth better to be than when Edmonton is in a playoff run, and that time will come - hopefully sooner rather than later.
Deep Oil assertions:
1) Kstz is heavily leveraged (Broke) 2) The new building is in jeopardy and will be financed with personal seat liscences. 3) Souray wants out.
If these things are true, the Oilers are in trouble. A new building, and rich owner is what will sustain NHL hockey in Edmonton for years to come. An awesome downtown entertainment complex with an attached practice facility and 5 star hotel will help to draw free agents... UFA's are getting younger every year, and for many of them, Edmonton is remembered only as a poor road trip destination. When in Edmonton, visiting teams should stay in the lap of luxary; walking from an incredible room with river views via the skyway through a revitalized downtown core to the most beautiful state of the art arena on the planet. They should leave the arena, soundly defeated, to observe Oiler Fans celebrating on a hip hand happening Jasper Avenue. After convenient access to a high quality dinner, future UFA's should leave the city with an appetite to return.
It's my sincere hope that Deep Oil is full of sh!T... Or hockey will not survive here.
February 23 2009, 04:05PM
Dennis wrote:
And the fact that you'll let guys delete comments means they aren't interested in a fair discourse and it also means it bothers them when people question them.
This is "fair discourse?" "There are still a lot of stories to write on the '07 Oilers and some of them wouldn't even have to be puff pieces. That's probably not allowed in Oilerville mind you but Brownlee would've been better off writing a piece about how much JFJ misses his dog back in Quebec rather than raising the pen to defend a highly paid local who just isn't doing the job. I'd give my left nut to cover the Oilers or any NHL team for that matter and at the end of the day I'd still have one testicle left. That'd still be probably one more than Brownlee currently posseses. posted by Dennis-IOF at 12/14/2006 12:08:00 PM
Dennis wrote:
In closing, I've never attacked Brownlee personally
Dec. 18: "Anyway, RB and I will be at loggerheads and that's cool with me. I took the initial shot when I said he's been kissing Lowe's can for lo these last 8 seasons and that wounds the big fella so he comes back with a whining allegation. And I'm sure I make the occasional whine:) and I'm certainly sure that Brownlee continues to pucker up!:)"
Or . . . Jan. 22: "RB: You are right. I don't have a clue because I don't get to kiss butt in the bowels of Rexall. I am sorry."
Or . . . January 22 2009, 7:26 pm: "RB: You have been assuming the position for years so your advice on this matter would be invaluable!"
You've been taking potshots at me for over two years -- I won't bore people here by posting all of them -- that fall well outside "questioning" what I write, so please spare us the reasoned response now. You've made it personal since day one. There is nothing more personal to me than having somebody like you question my integrity and willingness to do a thorough job. You want to write that I don't have the balls to take Lowe to task? You want to call me an ass-kisser? Go ahead. But you're going to have to do it someplace else. Your ongoing attempts to embarrass and ridicule Gregor and I aren't going to be entertained here. Don't like it? Go someplace else.
February 23 2009, 04:10PM
@ Dennis:
As I stated above I was not referring to you guys at mc79hockey personally but rather to the dozen or so commenters who come on here and stir it up past the point of reason IMO.
The intention in turning control over to the authors is not to have some sort of Orwellian control over the conversation here. If you go to a really busy blog site - take yahoo finance for example - you will see that they engage in little to no control over comments. The amount of spam commentary, needless hating and sheer volume of comments make many sites an unreadable mess. Comments on this site are often better than the story and as we go forward protecting that is a key goal.
Ultimately I realize that I cannot promise you we won't edit the crap out of the commentary and have you believe me. I can only ask that you come back from time to time and see how the site continues to operate.
If you guys or anyone else feel that there is too much censorship on here and that you aren't being heard you can always email me directly to discuss it:
This site was started to ask the hard questions and encourage a higher level of free speech. I think we have the same goals Dennis, we are just on slightly different teams.
Wanye Gretz wrote:
This site was started to ask the hard questions and encourage a higher level of free speech. I think we have the same goals Dennis, we are just on slightly different teams.
Free Speech is only valuable if you are able to hear it above the racket caused by the voices of the ignorant.
Cam wrote:
Free Speech is only valuable if you are able to hear it above the racket caused by the voices of the ignorant.
In the past it was muy belief that free speech should be absolute. However, the other day, I downloaded and printed a simple innocuous recipe for Yorkshire Pudding and noticed a message from HotEroticLady#69 had been attached at the bottom of the page... Conclusion: some censorship is required; unless you really want to spend time with HotEroticLady#69.
February 23 2009, 04:53PM
shakey wrote:
I can say, if there was a beer to be had with someone from this site, Deep Oil would be a guy I'd sit down with just to see if he's a dude in the know or a dude that yells at stop signs.
He'd probably be in my top 5, for much the same reasons.
This is apparently the source of the bad blood, for those who are wondering.
February 23 2009, 05:30PM
@ Tyler: The source? Maybe the start.
Just to be sure - I'm Team Brownlee on this one... but If I'm reading Dennis' post correctly it sounds like this whole thing can be put to bed if Robbie B put pen to pad and said what he thought about the job Kevin Lowe has done.
Now, I'm a bigger fan of the Nation than I am a reader (sometimes the unconsensual coitus of full time employment takes up my day), and RB may have already voiced his position sufficiently, however... would it be so hard to say:
a) Kevin Lowe is a bum; b) Kevin Lowe is the cat's pyjamas; c) Kevin Lowe is doing a good enough job; or d) Stating how I think Kevin Lowe is doing would be hazardous to my career.
I don't think (d) is really that far off. And is that really so inappropriate??? It would be a shame if an organization lorded over the media to the point that they can't express particular opinions, but maybe that's the difference between a blogger and a journalist: privilege comes with a price.
We can all sing a chorus of misunderstanding and call our song "free speech", but the Oilers are, after all, a private organization. If you invite me to dinner and I tell your neighbours that your meatloaf tasted like moosecock and your wife looks like she likes the taste of your meatloaf, well, you probably won't invite me back for taco night.
Guys like Brownlee and Gregor get to go into the Oiler's kitchen. They can tell us that Kevin Lowe made a meatloaf out of moosecock, but they have to be smart enough not to say how bad it tasted... They need to be invited back. The rest of y'all bloggers can rant away about the taste, but always remember that without the Brownlees and the Gregors you wouldn't know shit from shine about the piss poor ingredients you're being fed each game.
So, Dennis, I dig your posts. And as a pal I recommend you save the left testicle you were so ready to give up in 2006. Lets be honest, you would probably write one glorious article up to the highest standard of opinionated honesty. And then your editor would cut it... And you would have your press pass revoked by the Spoilers... And you'd be back bloggin' sans ball a mere half the man you used be.
Bleed Blue. Bleed Copper. FMNF. Word.
Word wrote:
Kevin Lowe made a meatloaf out of moosecock
Thats Hilarious!! Is the Meat Loaf the Team and the "Moose cock" the roster ? I will never look at meat loaf the same....
February 23 2009, 07:49PM
*looks at Aubrey O'Day playboy sitting on desk at Nation HQ, shakes fist at cover*
Is that line Freudian or just hilarious?
February 23 2009, 08:29PM
@ Word: Now, that's a well-written post. I think anybody who has followed the Oilers knows I've written a fair amount of stuff that's critical of Lowe since he became GM in 2000. As for an overview of where I think Lowe stands now, or should stand, based on his performance as GM, here's an excerpt from a column I wrote in Metro Edmonton Jan. 11.
"BILL OF GOODS? The focus on the Oilers shortcomings has been on the players and the way MacTavish has used them, but let's not forget the bigger picture. While Kevin Lowe has stepped back from day-to-day dealings since being named president of hockey operations, leaving Steve Tambellini to take over as GM, this is the team he built. Every player on the roster, with the exception of Ethan Moreau, arrived after Lowe took over as GM June 9, 2000. The collection of players here has been drafted on Lowe's watch, traded for or acquired by Lowe and signed to contracts with him calling the shots. With optimism abounding in pre-season, we were led to believe Tambellini was being handed the keys to a shiny new sports car and that fans were in for quite a ride. Instead, it looks like Tambellini's got a clunker in need of a full-scale rebuild. That falls on Lowe."
While that doesn't qualify as the scathing dissection some fans might like, it hardly qualifies as a look-the-other-way take or a ringing endorsement. If the Oilers miss the playoffs, I think Lowe should be on the unemployment line right beside MacTavish.
oh good, we're right on schedule for another spirited debate about....ourselves. Honestly, the MSM guys that write blogs spend so much time defending themselves that its embarassing. It annoys me to see them be tactful and acting exactly how they're expected to act - professionally - while others see no reason to respond in a manner which affords them the respect they bestow onto others with their answers.
February 23 2009, 09:38PM
I dont know whats more creepy, that picture, or the fact that Robin keeps records of what people on the internet say about him.
W.T. agrees with the facts and facts only. This is the team KLowe built and he should and must be held accountable. Only one problem, to date he has not been, and that needs to change. W.T. was at the Glenn Anderson retirement game and KLowe said a few words. Was it not only a short time ago when Ryan(Airbag) Smyth was traded and it was Mark M. retirement game. Did KLowe step up that night? Nope, W.T. remembers him hiding that night. What does that say about the MAN. W.T. suggests it wasn't MacT's vault he had to play Toby Peterson on the power play. KLowe, for the Oilers to get back to Oiler hockey, you must go.
February 23 2009, 10:48PM
I'm neither a hockey blogger nor a professional journalist. However, I do write for a political website called ThePolitic in my free time. And honestly, I wouldn't put up with the amount of abuse that the real journalists here do, and they've earned their stripes.
The rest of us are just cranks with a keyboard.
February 23 2009, 11:00PM
"W.T." aside, the problem with guys like Dennis isn't that their opinion is necessarily off base so much as it's old and bordering on pointless. He and his crew were beating the "MSM is the Oilers lackey" drum two years ago. There may or may not be some merit to that idea, but to keep harping on it when the MSM has responded more than once is just childish. Grow up man.
I've seen Tambellini asked the exact questions Dennis talks about. He slips them like a seasoned politician. So there's guys out there that think those questions should just keep being asked - the same way they harass any MSM they can contact - again and again and again.
Difference is, bloggers have nothing to lose. No job, no credibility, no access, no "face". And there's certainly no consequences. They're on a self-congratulatory crusade with no downside. So they stay on it like a Jehovah's witness. No amount of reason or reality seems to sway their stance. In my opinion, this taints their own work, which BTW is excellent. And I'm saying this as a guy who drops by their sites almost every day.
So let's stop beating dead horses and drop the personal agendas. It's not cool and you're not modern day hockey e-evangelists. If you think you can do any better, get a press pass and we'll see how far you make it. But I'm sure you already know how that would go.
February 23 2009, 11:22PM
David S wrote:
I've seen Tambellini asked the exact questions Dennis talks about. He slips them like a seasoned politician. So there's guys out there that think those questions should just keep being asked - the same way they harass any MSM they can contact - again and again and again. Difference is, bloggers have nothing to lose. No job, no credibility, no access, no "face". And there's certainly no consequences. They're on a self-congratulatory crusade with no downside.
Robin: Considering that you're still up and still have your finger on the button:) would you mind censoring the part where David talked about Jehovah's Witnesses?
I know you'll delete this before anyone sees it but if Wayne's giving you the power to censor things that make you feel bad:), the least you can do is also censor posts that could honestly hurt people who firmly believe in their religion.
If you're gonna be Big Brother, the least you could do is actually use your powers for good:)
And for perhaps the two people who get to read this:), it's fine and dandy for Robin to say "that's on Lowe" after the guy's been in power for so many years and it looks like he's on his way to another year out of the playoffs. but where was he when lowe said he didn't know the cap was going up or when lowe said that in '07 we had cap room to pick up a dman and then he didn't do it? or perhaps when he said smyth was too old to sign longterm but then he made the same move for souray? or to remind everyone what a bullet we missed when nylander's wife decided she didn't want to come to edmonton?
David: I have no agenda other than hoping things get asked and wondered about just like they do in real media markets. perhaps it's fine for some that reporters in edm only break out the whip for Penner but I'd personally like to see more how's and why's.
I don't think I'm on any kind of crusade as much as I am in a constant state of wonderment about why certain things never change.
do you ever wish something would change? did you ever try and change it yourself or ask about why it doesn't change?
February 23 2009, 11:43PM
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David: I have no agenda other than hoping things get asked and wondered about just like they do in real media markets. perhaps it's fine for some that reporters in edm only break out the whip for Penner but I'd personally like to see more how's and why's.
I think we got that the first 200 times around Dennis.
Don Quixote was a book. Not a way of life.
February 23 2009, 11:44PM
Is it wrong of me to want to talk cars with Mr. Brownlee? It's not the least bit related to his job but, he is quite passionate about them. It's a lot like how we are with the Oilers; we love them to bits and want to know as much about them as possible. Were RB given the chance to talk to say Lee Iacocca he wouldn't really want to ask; why he ran Chrysler into the ground in the eighties? I'm sure he'd rather ask; where he got the idea for the Falcon with a sporty body? (Mustang for those of you who aren't car guys.) In a sense the "haters" are asking the prior to Brownlee and Gregor. I've read where RB was asked to ask a question of someone in the Oilers organization and he's actually done it and posted the response for all to see. I'm not saying they can't take constructive criticism and we should all bow to their word but, you don't get that kind of personal response from a professional online, unless you have a credit card.
p.s. I'm the guy races his minivan at Castrol Raceway. Bloggers are like me in that sense; we may never turn pro but, it's sure fun to do.
February 23 2009, 11:51PM
Just got home, so I'm a little late jumping in here, but my two cents: 1. We are goddamn lucky to have Brownlee & Gregor writing for the Nation...have you READ some of the other teams' fan sites? I have way more respect for these guys, because they do this, than I do for the syncophants in the local rags. If anybody thinks RB is a KLow apologist has not listened to him on the radio. 2. Maybe having to sign up to post would make it easier to keep the clowns out? Easy deletion and all.... just sayin'. 3. Wanye is so effin funny that even if the hot shots weren't writing here I would still come for his stuff...milk-out-the-nose funny. Dude is so brilliant I find myself thinking about a setup and gag he wrote hours later. L'il man-crush goin' on here. 4. W.T. and anybody making references to themselves in the 3rd person creeps me out. He reminds me of that guy "The Warrior" that used to call the sports radio all the time. And, ya know, guys who seem to be "in the know" should establish some cred first, dontcha think? 5. I wonder: if I had coffee with Deep Oil would he be wearing his tin foil hat? Or would the meds be kickin' in? 6. I wish Amber would post more. There is nothing hotter than a smart chick talking about the Oil AND being killer funny. *sigh* 7. I go watch games at a bar on the Northside that has great 20 cent wings, cheap beer and hot waitresses...and no Wi-Fi, so I have never been around for a full JL meeting. Looking forward to it. 8. I check The Nation first thing in the morning and frequently during the day. I am so grateful for all you guys that write and post here. I'm the kind of guy that checks TSN.com first thing on, like, Aug. 4 to see if there's any Oiler news. 9. Cole, Roli and Goat Boy should be dealt with now. If Cole doesn't wanna be here, deal him. If Roli will re-sign, (for 2m/1 year) do it, if not, trade him. JD has to prove he belongs here, now is as good a time as any, I figure. Sign a goalie in the off-season. Same with Grebs. I wish Cole would stay, though. 10. If Tambo can get a top 30 scoring forward I'm also ok with 3 of the following going the other way: Gags, Cogs, Mini-magic, Poo, FFF, Laddy, Steady Steve, Chopper, 2nd rounder. Brule is ready to play, and I think with Fernie back and another Springfield guy stepping up, (Schremp, anyone?), well....now is as good a time as any. 11. I am not adverse to the return of Marty Reasoner. MacT is gonna be here until the season ends, KLow will never gas him, so we may as well have a player he can coach. 12. Like the bumper sticker on my old '72 Datsun B210, my two favourite teams are the Edmonton Oilers and whoever plays the Calgary Flames. Really.
Re: the tough questions. As Dennis points out above, there are tons of examples. I differ from Dennis in that I think that Robin is one of the good local media (although I don't know how he concluded that Lupul was working hard and just needed a centre when the guy was actively avoiding taking hits in Edmonton and I think Dennis secretly does too) but the profitability of the Oilers falls right in that list. The EIG had a soft ride here for years. There were a bunch of us who figured that they had to be profitable by 2003-04 and were subsequently shown to be correct. Meanwhile during the lockout, you have Terry Jones writing about how the day that the season was cancelled was a good day for Edmonton. I wonder if, when the Oilers owners made a nice capital gain on their investment, he wondered, just for a second, whether there was maybe just the slightest bit more to the lockout than saving hockey for the children of Edmonton.
They were spinning insane justifications when they were trying to resist Katz. The location agreement is a perfect example. They were asking why Katz wasn't willing to sign a location agreement, a bunch of the blogosphere was screaming "Didn't the EIG's location agreement run out in 2004?" and it took some time (as well as some stories about how Katz wouldn't sign a location agreement) before someone in the MSM got around to asking. The coverage of that whole thing was just beyond appalling - I mean Terry Jones was getting quotes wrong in a way that completely changed their meaning and then using them to support his conspiracy theory that made no sense anyway. But yeah, by all means, it's worth him doing what he needs to do to maintain access because his stories make so much more sense with access.
Matheson and Jones are summoned for the Lowedown on Smyth after Lowe couldn't get anyone except a few hours of Nylander in UFA 2007, Lowe says that they had no idea that the cap was going to rise and there's apparently no questioning about how they didn't know this three months before UFA season, when ticket sale numbers were getting published in the paper. It's absurd.
Like I've said before, I don't think that a lot of this reflects on Robin because he's IMO, more of a journalist than an opinion guy. Dennis and I differ on that point. The guys like Jones and Matheson - who blew the waiver rules on the Jagr issue, BTW, they're the ones who really drive me nuts.
Difference is, bloggers have nothing to lose. No job, no credibility, no access, no "face". And there's certainly no consequences. They're on a self-congratulatory crusade with no downside.
Dan Barnes seemed to kill everyone on the sale of the Oilers and write critically about the team without losing his job, credibility, access or face.
Generally, I don't buy it. Guys like Strachan have no problems asking difficult questions and reporting things that will make people uncomfortable. Sure, maybe it got a little hot when Kevin Lowe went on the radio and called him a liar but who looked like an asshole a week later (alright, maybe it was Strachan, but not because he had the story wrong). He was one of the few MSM guys during the lockout willing to take a skeptical look at things.
Meanwhile the Edmonton Sun is busy editing references to the sycophantic Edmonton media out of his columns before they run it. (True story.)
Just curious Robin - and I recognize that these things need to be asked when they happen ie. the Smyth story is dead and buried at this point - but if someone had said when it happened - "Ted Nolan is saying that the Isles were peddling that package of players to everyone in the league. How satisfied are you that this was the best you could do for Smyth?" that he's going to get fired? Lose credibility? Lose access? (Incidentally the Isles ex-PR guy seems to think that the Oil could have done better)
Robin and I have been down this road and he's explained to me that they're providing content for the newspaper, they need to get their quotes to fill out the stories etc. I've got no problem with that. I question the value of access though, when that access is used to fill out stories with "Well, we came out hard, had a bit of a letdown and then Roli bailed us out." As for losing credibility - if a guy is asking legitimate questions and has a reasonable position, I don't see how he's going to lose credibility. If someone had taken the position when Smyth got traded that the Oilers looked to have spent all of their money by October (and that was the obvious conclusion after Moreau got signed, and subsequently proven correct when Lowe started talking about the cap), it would have been a reasonable position.
I tend to think that, at the end of the day, the guys with access are balancing how much shit they need to go through to do their jobs with writing what they think and asking tougher questions. There's a subtle difference between writing what you don't believe and not writing what you do believe and an awful lot of them seem to avail themselves of it. I don't really blame them as much as I used to for just getting the quotes and filling the space but at the same time, I'm not going to be overly deferential to a guy with access when he checks his critical thinking skills and willingness to push awkward points on the Oilers in order to maintain that access in a low friction sort of a way.
February 24 2009, 12:35AM
@ Dennis: Since when is it the job of the media to be the judge jury and executioner when it comes to job analysis of Oiler executives? They don't hire them, they can't fire them. Their job is to report on the team.
Editorial coverage is something all together different. And seriously, how many articles could you write about how MacTavish seems to make retarded line combinations game in and game out, and how many times to you have to say you don't agree with the recent trade Kevin Lowe made? Or that you think his tenure as GM has been a failure?
Seriously. Both MacT and Kevin Lowe have been here a long time, and if you think for a second that the MSM are in charge of who's hired and fired you're sadly mistaken. RB and JG report on the team, their players and the games. To do nothing but harp on the coach and GM would be a gross negligence of their job for 99.9% of their readership.
They report on the team and what the team is, they aren't arm chair GM's enacting their own fantasies in their pieces.
You want angry scathing articles about the ridiculous farce you believe the Oilers front office is, then write them your self.
Get over it.
This site is great as you get an idea of what these two journalists really think of the team, and the game as a whole, with the wealth of their knowledge of the game and the inside information they're privy too.
You want them to post and bitch about management, I don't. We all see them for what they are. But more important than that, I care about the team and the games. You think our guys behind the Oilers curtain are so bad, look around the league.
Thank you to Mr. Brownlee and Mr. Gregor for continuing to post your articles and open up debate on the best team in the universe.
February 24 2009, 12:37AM
Oh and Flames suck
Also, I don't know why but I feel compelled to respond to Wanye up top:
You're serious right? Jason Gregor – actual big time journalist that makes appearances daily on radio, internet and even national TV – is going run the risk of being busted plagiarizing on an article about minor league baseball promotions as a pretext to give away his own Oilers tickets?
Bigger journalists than Jason Gregor have done worse things in bigger forums. His reaction to the whole thing was bizarre. The post goes up at 10AM on Feb. 13.
At about 5PM, Gregor writes:
I should state that none of those ideas where mine. Apparently someone thinks I was trying to take credit for them. I researched those on the web and took the ideas from a few different sites. I copied and pasted them and then took out some words that didn't add to the general idea. Here is one of the links… http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/baseball/mlb/07/30/minors.promotions/ Once again I never claimed these were my ideas…and should of included a link, but these ideas were all from a team's website originally that have been copied and pasted many times over. Nothing here about the editing mixup - in fact there's an express statement that the statements have been copied and pasted many times over, which seems to imply that he doesn't think he needs to use quotes. He goes on to accuse the SI writer of plagiarism at 6:30 PM on V-Day:Dennis, never once did I take those promotion ideas and claim they were mine. The writer from si.com actually took the words from press releases from the teams themselves, so they weren't his original ideas either. Did he quote the press release? No.Now, if you read the story on CNN/SI, this seems exceedingly unlikely to be true. If you read what Gregor wrote, the only conclusion to draw is that he thinks the cut and paste is ok. He went on to add:Never once in this post did I make a reference that these were my ideas, or that I was the first to report on them. I use my own ideas for stories, and in this case I guess I could have quoted the sites I got them from, but the sites weren't the original origin of the story to begin with.The only reasonable conclusion to draw from the bolded part is that he didn't quote the site. But 10 minutes later, he writes:Plagiarize by definition is this. Take and use the thoughts, writing, of another as your own. If you notice the font of the promotions is different font than my actual words. It was in GREY to seperate that they weren't my words. I have never used someone else's ideas and CLAIMED them as my own.This is a bit misleading, because the quotes weren't in grey initially, which is what led to the whole thing. It also seemingly directly contradicts his statement 10 minutes earlier in which he said "I guess I could have quoted the sites I got them from." Having heard the whole story now, I suspect he means "cite" not "quote". I'm not a Professional Reporter, trained in the Art of Disseminating Information but I'm surprised he was so sloppy with his language. On Feb. 15, he says:I could send you the original email that I sent to Bingofuel. It has different font, size and shading. The only thing different now is the link to the article. That doesn't excuse the error, but it does show that I was never once trying to take credit for the promotional ideas.This is an actual defence, although it means that he wrote a story in which he included quotes without indicating the source of those quotes. Again, I'm not a Professional Reporter, but, and any of the actual Professional Writers here can correct me if I'm wrong, putting quotes without sources into a story is generally considered at the least, very bad writing. Bingofuel popped into the comment thread and took the bullet, explained that he screwed up. Wanye (who apparently learned of this a few days later in a thread when Dennis made a crack of it) now says that he's responsible for the screwup. Whatever. At the very least, it's a pretty bizarre series of events. It seems weird that Gregor didn't just say the quotes were screwed up initially but instead defended the practice. It seems weird that he argued with Mike as if the thing was properly quoted orginally. It seems weird that he'd write a post in which he includes direct quotes without indicating the sources of those quotes. Now there are apparently two people who screwed it up (assuming bingofuel and Wanye are different people). Like I said in the original thread, I take Gregor at his word when he said the editor screwed up. I can't emphasize that enough. With that said, I would expect the professional media to be a hell of a lot more careful in citing their sources, particularly when they're directly quoting something. Maybe I'm wrong about the standards that the papers apply; I'm sure some of the real media here can tell me. Maybe Scott Taylor's around? I don't think labelling people who initially thought it was plagiarism as haters is all that reasonable though, given the series of events outlined above and, as far as I know, the whole thing was a dead issue until today when Wanye brought it up again. I'm not really sure why it was brought back up again, but it's not like people were out of line pointing it out initially and the initial explanations really just made things worse.
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Go to the Shamesnation site and see what I started there. after TLC comments on the game. Its the Rick Flare Blogg. And yes the Flames are poo poo pants.
February 24 2009, 07:39AM
@ 442Junkie: I'd argue the combustion engine is the greatest invention ever.
As for your van, that's cool. One of the many vehicles my pals and I raced at Mission and in Kent (SIR) was a beat up 68 Dodge Van with a transplanted 413 Wedge with the factory crossram on it out of an old Saratoga. The mill didn't fit in the doghouse and the driver and passgener had to lean outward against the doors or get baked.
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Did KLowe step up that night? Nope, W.T. remembers him hiding that night. What does that say about the MAN.
Not that I really want to encourage you but you used this example the other day as well.
There is a lot of stuff to critisize Lowe for but in this instance what it says about the guy is that he recognized that Messier night was about...well you know...Messier.
If he goes to center ice in order for the fans to let him have it then he basically ruins what was supposed to be a celebration for one of the greatest Oilers of all time.


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Damn good chapter. The boys had a nice run there for minute before Eiji made his move. So what will Ashirogi Muto do? Also we need more Miho dammit.
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4204 Main Street Brewing Company - Belleville
At 4204 Main Street Brewing Company we believe simple and amazing food and beer pairing is a staple in life and we wanted to share that. Our neighborhood restaurant and brewery is a place to meet, experience amazing food, carefully brewed local beer and to enjoy life. Whether you love food or you love beer you've come to the right place. We are here for the food and beer lovers just like us.
At the Acropolis Greek Cafe you can enjoy great food in a cozy, home like atmosphere. Located in a beautiful historic building.
Antique House offers delicious cuisine and drinks at a great price.
The Bamboo Valley offers a large buffet full of your Chinese favorites, and some of your American favorites. Or, if you would rather have a great sit down meal, Bamboo Valley offers a large menu of made to order items.
Ben's Diner has delicious diner staples in a fun, retro atmosphere.
Get a bite to eat and a cold beer at Big Daddy's 618.
Big Mama's offers delicious, homestyle barbeque with friendly service and a large menu full of unique sides that are sure to please the whole family.
Big Vic's offers delicious, smokey barbeque in a variety of meats, served with great sides.
BoBeck's offers delicious breakfast, lunch, and dinner items in a casual atmosphere with big screen TVs for watching the games, open late.
Breadeaux Pizza has unique variety of pizzas such as quesadilla, super Hawaiian, taco, chicken fiesta, cheeseburger, meatball, barbeque, vegetarian, and many more, and you can always build your own pizza with the toppings you want. Also, pastas, salads, sandwiches, and tantalizing desserts.
What makes Breadeaúx Pizza different? It's the crust, which is chewy and sweet, and reminiscent of fine French Bread. While other pizza places boast about using dough made fresh daily, at Breadeaúx Pizza restaurants, our dough is aged and double-raised, once quickly, and the second time slowly while being chilled. The major difference in our dough preparation creates our distinctive taste and texture. So come on in to Breadeaúx Pizza and taste the difference.
Bully's specialize in slow cooked 'Award Winning' southern style barbecue as well as a variety of sandwiches, fish and desserts. They smoke their quality meats with fresh cut hickory and cook them at low temperatures for juicy tenderness. Bully's cooks its pork shoulders for over 15 hours and it's ribs for over 6 hours! If you have ever experienced 'fall off the bone' tenderness and a distinct hickory flavor, you can understand what makes Bully's Smokehouse legendary. After cooking is complete, they hand pull and chop on the best-selected portions. Bully's four signature sauces will make sure your cravings are filled! All of our soups and side dished are 'made from scratch' daily from the best ingredients! Bully's Smokehouse envisioned a restaurant that would feed the body as well as the soul with amazing food, great service and relaxing atmosphere.
Castletown has great food, great service, and a wonderful atmosphere. Try one of Castletowns delicious burgers or homemade Irish Stew.
Charlie's offers generous portions of great food at an affordable price.
Chickens Country Restaurant offers delicious homestyle cooking in a relaxed and casual environment with live music Tuesday nights.
CITY:St. Libory
China King offers delicious Chinese food in a family friendly atmosphere with affordable prices and excellent service.
CITY:Red Bud
Clinton Hill offers delicious food, daily drink specials, and a sports bar with nine TVs for viewing all sporting events.
In business since 1998, this Belleville gay bar features karaoke on Wednesdays, and dancing to live DJs on select Saturday nights.
Columbia City Saloon Bar & Grill
Columbia City has great beer, burgers, sandwiches, and more on their menu. After dinner, try your hand bowling.
Corner George Inn Sweet Shoppe
Corner George Inn Sweet Shoppe has a large selection of tantalizing treats and sweets to enjoy. Part of the Corner George Inn, a B & B.
D.S. Vespers offers delicious food and cold drinks in a gread pub atmosphere.
Dave & Joyce's Country Kitchen
At Dave & Joyce's enjoy delicious homestyle cuisine fresh from their kitchen.
CITY:Red Bud
Dave's West End Bar & Grill is a great place to hang with friends and enjoy a good meal and a great drink. It is mostly a bar, but they have some food such as cheeseburgers.
CITY:St. Libory
We offer quality baked goods, made the old-fashioned way, handcrafted with love and care just for you. Everything is made fresh from scratch daily and in small batches to deliver the best taste and quality using only the finest ingredients... pure sweet butter, Valhrona and Guittard chocolates, Madasgascar Bourbon vanilla and the freshest fruit. We strive to make our desserts deliciously divine, beautiful and distinctive!


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The deadline is approaching for you to submit your photo and short bio for publication in the Emery County Progress on Oct. 10. The deadline for submission is Sept. 29. Bring your information to the office at 410 East Main Street in Castle Dale.
Attention parents. San Rafael Junior High will have mid-term parent-student-teacher conferences Sept. 28 from 3-9 p.m. Parents and students are welcome. Mid-term report cards will be handed out that evening.
The Emery County Republican Annual Fall Dinner will be held Oct. 5 at 6:30 p.m. at Critter Country Fixin's, 330 West SR 29 in Castle Dale. The public is welcome to attend. Speakers will be Kay McIff and local candidates running for County Offices and also speaking will be a representative for LaVar Christensen who is running for Second District Congress.
Sept. 29, Goblin Valley State Park - Green River. Discover Goblin Valley: Join the park staff for an evening walk through the goblins beginning at 7:30 p.m. at the Observation Point shelter. Find out how the goblins came to be, and who lurks around in the night. For more information call (435) 564-3633.
Sept. 30, Goblin Valley State Park - Green River. Junior Ranger Program: Who lives here? Learn about the wildlife that calls Goblin Valley home. Find out what it might be like to live in the desert. Meet at 9:30 a.m. at the Observation Point shelter. This program is geared to children 6-12, but everyone is welcome. Become a Junior Ranger and earn a Junior Ranger badge. For more information call (435) 564-3633.
Sept. 30, Goblin Valley State Park - Green River Amphitheater Grand Opening: Join park staff for the grand opening of the Goblin Valley amphitheater at 7:30 p.m. Follow the journey of a plant seed's life and learn about Goblin Valley's rocks and wildlife. Sit back and enjoy this theater program or take part in the show. For more information call (435) 564-3633.
A farm safety night will be held on Sept. 28 at 6:30 p.m. at the Emery High School science wing. All ages welcome. Refreshments provided.
The Emery County Historical Society will be taking a trek to the MK tunnels as its September meeting. Meet for the guided tour at the corrals just north of Castle Dale at 1 p.m. Sept. 30. Put on your walking shoes, bring your jacket, water, lawn chair, and a pot luck dish to go with the weiner roast. There will be a guest speaker and entertainment. Everyone welcome.
The Emery County Quilt Guild will be held on the first Tuesday of every month at the Huntington Senior Citizen Center. Everyone is welcome.
The Gingerbread House Festival, a new event in Emery County, will be held Dec. 1-2 at the Emery County Recreation Center. Admission is free. Everyone who wants to participate should build a gingerbread house and bring it to the festival. If house aren't your style, try a sleigh or a gingerbread man or woman. These can be done by a group, family or individual. Each creation must be 80 percent edible, and the winners of the house division will be eligible to compete at the Utah County Gingerbread House competiton. For more information contact Teresa Lake at 381-2437 or Eldon Holmes at 687-9235.
Food handler's classes will be held Sept. 28 at 4 and 7 p.m. at the health department office at 25 West Main in Castle Dale. For more information call 381-2252.
Kids, ages 6-12, you are welcome to Master Club at the First Baptist Church in Ferron. It will be held every Wednesday night, beginning Sept. 13, from 7-8:30 p.m. At Master Club, you will enjoy games, songs, Bible lessons, crafts, and skills learning.
The Emery High Spartan Booster club is selling flags as a fund raiser and to show support of the student athletes. The flags may be hung up whenever there is a home game. Flags and poles range from $10-$25. Also, they are selling advertising space around the field. For more information contact Cindy Draper at 748-2235.
A field service officer from the Veterans of Foreign Wars will be at the Price Workforce Service Center on Sept. 28 and Oct. 26 from 8:30-10:30 a.m. This is a free service to assist veterans, widows and dependents in understanding and applying for rightful VA benefits.
The Museum of the San Rafael is seeking funds to design, build and install full-size, life like sculptures of three dinosaurs and a mammoth. The cost is $149,000. Donations can be made to Museum of the San Rafael, P.O. Box 1088, Castle Dale.
Mormon Historic Foundation has recently launched a website containing detailed information about Latter-day Saint church history sites. Go online at www.mormonhistoricsitesregisty.org
You will be able to watch Primal Quest Utah on ABC and ESPN Networks starting in October. Oct. 9-12, episodes 1-4, ESPN 7:30 p.m.; Oct. 14- episode 5, ABC 2 p.m. For more info go to www.ecoprimalquest.com
For Utahns living with hearing loss and limited mobility, an amplified cordless phone is now available through Relay Utah, a division of the State of Utah Public Service Commission to help meet the needs of the hard of hearing who also experience mobility limitations with wheelchair, walker or oxygen use. The amplified cordless phones are available, at no charge, to hard of hearing individuals in Utah who currently participate in the Supplemental Security Income program, Medicaid and other Department of Human Service or Public Assistance programs. Individuals who do not participate in these programs can purchase the phone by contacting Clear Sounds at 800-965-9043 or www.clearsounds.com.
The Armed Services YMCA in collaboration with Music for a Cause are asking to remember the soldiers and send them a CD. Go to www.sendacdtoasoldier.com
Pictures of the Ferron area showing early farming activities prior to the irrigation systems going in, farming after the projects were completed and any old pictures of the Ferron Creek area. Call Mary at 435-381-2300 ext. 101 or Wayne Urie at ext. 103 at the NRCS Field Office in Castle Dale or Ron Francis at 801-524-4557 or email@example.com
A local veterans employment representative visits the Castle Dale DWS Office the first Wednesday of each month. Appointments can also be arranged on other days by contacting Steve Wilkinson (LVER) at (435) 636-2343. The LVER is also available Monday through Friday at Department of Workforce Services, 475 West Price River Drive, for questions about VA benefits, assistance with VA applications, employment assistance and other veterans issues. If you have questions about your benefits or eligibility for benefits, contact Steve Wilkinson at 636-2343.
A Navy Log is the permanent public registry where sea service members and veterans can record their service information. To enroll your information or family members go to www.lonesailor.org
Narconon is a nonprofit public benefit organization that specializes in helping people with drug or alcohol addictions offers FREE professional assessments, advice and referrals to more than 11,000 treatment centers nationally. Drug addiction can be overcome and Narconon can help by calling (800) 556-8885 or visit www.drugrehab.net
Habitat For Humanity of Castle Country, an affiliate of Carbon and Emery counties, is building a wheelchair accessible house in Castle Dale. Send your donations (large or small) to help finish the roof and buy shingles to HHCC, P.O. Box 724, Price, UT 84501. You can: volunteer for workdays, attend board meetings, save aluminum cans, get on our mailing list, help sponsor a fund raiser, or get an application by calling Katherine Foster, President, 650-0074 or Sylvia Nelson, 435-687-9184 (leave a message) or you can pick up HFHI information at the Castle Dale RSVP/VOA office.
Stitches from the Heart needs volunteers to knit, crochet or quilt blankets, sweaters and hats for babies in need. These items are donated to hospitals all over the country. Patterns are available. Donated yarn desperately needed for seniors and childrens knitting programs. Contact Kathy Silverton at 1-866-472-6903 or e-mail at email@example.com.
Quilts of Valor, a program that provides quilts to each injured serviceman or woman, is being organized in Emery County. This program needs funds and interested people to help with making the quilts. For more information contact Hazel McMullin at 653-2246, Michelle Anderson at 687-9445, or Reva Fillmore at 687-2649.
The Muscular Dystrophy Association is looking for volunteers for their 2006 summer camp program. Volunteer counselors are needed to help young people with neuromuscular diseases. For more information call 800-572-1717 or www.mdausa.org/clinics/camp/index.cfm.
Every second and fourth Monday from 11 a.m.-2 p.m. a free legal clinic will be held at the Price Court House. Call Utah Legal Services at 1-800-662-1563 to set up an appointment.
LDS 12-step meeting is every Thursday night at 7 p.m. at the Delta Seminary. Everyone is welcome.
The MS support group meets the first Tuesday of each month at 7:30 p.m. in the Conference Room at South Eastern Utah District. Health Dept., 28 South 100 East, Price. Family members and caregivers are welcome too. Wheelchair accessible.
A tip line has been introduced in Emery County. The Emery County drug task force is requesting help from the residents to report any suspicious drug activity. The number is 381-2888, and all callers will remain anonymous. It is very important for citizens to be actively involved in helping remove drugs users and pushers from Emery County.
To donate to Operation Home Support, a program to send packages to local soldiers stationed overseas, contact Jan Hess, 384-2753. Donations can be mailed to American Legion Auxiliary #42, P.O. Box 209. Ferron, Ut. 84523.
Project ChildSafe, sponsored by the National Shooting Sports Foundation will be distributing free gun locks throughout Emery County. Members of the community may call their local law enforcement agency for information on how to obtain a free gun lock.
Drug addictions can leave an individual feeling helpless and out of control, especially if you are the family member or friend of an addict. Narconon Arrowhead can help. Narconon offers free counseling, assessments and referrals to rehabilitation centers nationwide by calling 1-800-468-6933 or logging onto www.stopaddiction.com. Don't wait until it's too late. Call Narconon now.
Grief support group for parents who have lost a child will be held Thursday evenings at 6:30 p.m. in the classroom at Castleview Hospital, 300 North Hospital Drive, Price. For more information contact 637-4800, ext. #4018 or 820-0287.
The Three Wishes Inc. Program makes available power (electric) wheelchairs to senior citizens (65 years and older) and the permanently disabled at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call toll free at 1-800-817-1871.
Each year hundreds of children in Emery and Carbon counties become wards of the juvenile court system due to child abuse, neglect or abandonment. The child welfare system can only devote so much time and attention to each individual case and, consequently, to each individual child. CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate) Volunteers are ordinary men and women who find it in their hearts and their schedules to help these abused and neglected children. Those interested in volunteering should contact Kerrie, the CASA coordinator at 435-381-5595.
All Medicare recipients should now be aware that if they suffer from conditions such as arthritis, cardiovascular disease, and respiratory disorders, and have difficulty walking or propelling a standard wheelchair, they maybe eligible to receive an electric wheelchair paid for by Medicare. For information on Medicare eligibility contact Gregory at 1-800-810-2877.
The in home Rx programs makes available breathing medications and nebulizers to patients who may have asthma, emphysema or COPD at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call 1-800-344-5764 or visit the website www.inhomerx.com for more information on the details of this program.
The Senior Mobility Program makes available to senior citizens and the permanently disabled, power electric wheelchairs at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call 1-800-451-0971 to see if you qualify.
Utah Valley Cancer Center, located at Utah Valley Regional Medical Center has a new toll-free phone number. Anyone can call 1-866-549-3800 to schedule an appointment, get information about local cancer support groups or to find out more about IHC cancer services and physicians. Hours are 8 a.m.-5 p.m.
The Senior Wheels USA Program makes available power (electric) wheelchairs to senior citizens (65 years and older) and the permanently disabled at no cost to the recipient, if they qualify. Call toll free at 1-800-246-6010.
The Wheelchair Foundation, Intermountain Healthcare, and the George S. and Dolores Dore Eccles Foundation are partnering to distribute free wheelchairs to disabled Utahns. Persons interested in getting a free wheelchair can call 1-877-387-3839, or apply at www.wheelchairfoundation.org/utah
Donations are needed from Emery County residents to the Emery Chapter of the Salvation Army which provides emergency assistance for the people of Emery County as well as people traveling through the area. Mail donations to the Emery County Sheriff's Office, Box 281, Green River, Utah 84525 or Emery County Sheriff's Office, Box 817, Castle Dale, Utah 84513. For information, contact Cheryl Keener at 435-564-3432.
Attention, union meeting for local 6363 will be held the third Wednesday of every month at the District 22 office in Price. The meeting will begin at 10 a.m.
Girl Scouts need leaders in Emery County. Call Nina Green at 800-678-7809 to volunteer.


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Oh Jennifer what were you thinking?ReplyCancel
Divorce has been good for Amy I never thought of her as sexy until last night.
Jessica Chastain is gorgeous that dress makes her bewbies look lumpy. Step it up stylists for the Oscars when she wins she needs to look fabulous for her dad Ron Howard so she can say FUCK YOU DADDY!ReplyCancel
Something is wrong here. That dress makes Swift look like she has a butt. Usually she looks like a gangly veal calf. Happy she passed on the tard bangs.
Straight dudes out there: Poehler or Fey? Nothing against Tina, but I think I'd take Poehler.ReplyCancel
Taylor's dress is really wrinkled.
Jennifer looked great even with the unfortunate cone boobs.
Miranda Kerr looks like she's about to pull an Anne.ReplyCancel
Garner looks so desperate with her bewbs pushed up that high. Maybe she tried to guarantee Ben's eyes stayed on herReplyCancel
Naomi looked stunning, and Kidman's dress is to die for. Garner's dress is gorgeous in theory, but her boobs are oozing like they're filled with pudding and it's weirding me out. Danes looks fantastic considering she just pumped out a kidlet – the cut of the dress was very flattering on her & you can only see a bit of a belly if you stare.ReplyCancel
Jennifer's top had little scoops in them that looked like she could keep Skittles or M&Ms in them for snacks later.
I thought Nicole's hair looked perfect for her, very flattering, even if her eyebrows looked a bit scowly in the DM a couple days ago.
I laughed so hard when Swift gave "the face" when Adele won.ReplyCancel
Jennifer Garner just looks like she needs to yank that dress back up. Miranda…legs or tits, not both..and you are one dropped purse away from a cootchie shot. I like Lea's dress. I like the cut. For me I would go with a color though. I loved Claire Danes dress.ReplyCancel
I'll say it….I like Orlando and Miranda together! This pic looks great. They look like they're having fun together! I hope all those rumors aren't true. I think he is very classically good looking. Yummy, actually. She, I could do without, but I do really like this pic!ReplyCancel
Amy looks decent, but her shoes look like something out of the Frederick's catalogue.
Jen Garner's boobs…ouch!
I feel kinda meh about Jen Lawrence.
Claire Danes, Stacy Keibler and Nicole Kidman look fantastic. I said this yesterday, but I'd love to trade bodies with Stacy.
Dress up Swifty all you want, but she's still a fugly slut (to quote Mean Girls).ReplyCancel
it makes me stabby when garner just phones it in. she's obviously a lovely girl, and while i know she's made a point of letting us all know that she's given up on life, i do appreciate when she makes an effort. that deep red is gorgeous on her. ok, so the fit wasn't the greatest but she tried, so points for that…but THEN…she resorts to soccer min-van mom everyday makeup. JESUS. it's an award show. would it kill you to slap on a coordinating shade of lipstick and do a little smokey eye?!?!
swifty is gorge…loooved the open back. but i must admit, i preferred the eggshell ralph lauren from the people's choice awards to this little donna karan number, lovely as it may be.
j-lawrence got it almost perfect had it not been for the shelf boobs.
wth, rachel weisz? O_oReplyCancel
Tina's dress was one my favorites – it's really different . — Stacy K looks beautiful as usual.
I know Jessica Chastain's dress is supposed to be like that, which makes it even more annoying.
I can see why all the men in the photo of Orlando and Miranda are looking at her as if they hope she's available – it's because, apparently, she usually is available.
I loved Taylor's gown – it's a great colour on her.ReplyCancel
Love JC but that dress made her look like she had boob FUPA.ReplyCancel
I agree the boob situation with both Jennifers was not good. Nicole Kidman and Naomi Watts both looked good, are they still friends?
Claire Danes looked great for just having a baby but the fit of the dress was off. I can't explain why it made her look too masculine in the shoulders which is strange because she just had a baby she should be softer than usual
Overall I was underwhelmed by the dresses, I liked. The color of J Albas but overall they were all ehh.ReplyCancel
Woof! Chastain's dress, ugh, awful. Rachel Weisz look okay, Watts was awful, Garner should've pushed them down a little, Tina's dress needs to be shorter, say cut at the knee. And Pohler should have work her hair down. I like how Lea Michelle looks, not a try hard smile, just a happy to be here smile.ReplyCancel
I like Rachel's dress! I'll be over here now, by myself. Call me, Rachel!ReplyCancel
Rachel's dress is a 90s flashback… I loved the 90s…ReplyCancel
Dear Jennifer Lawrence:
Leave the headlight-boob dresses at home on Oscar night. **shudder**ReplyCancel
Everything about Tina Fey is awesome here – her hair, the dress, the shoes – gorgeous. I just wish she'd stand up straight (I have a thing about posture…).
Lea Michelle does not look like herself here. The tan, the smile, the hair – she reminds me of another actor but I can't think of who right now. Angie Harmon?
OUCH, Jennifer G!
Not a Swift fan but that dress is gorgeous. My favorite color, too!
Naomi looks great!
I liked my girl JLaw's dress until she turned sideways and gave us scarlet cone boobs.
DM had a bunch of shots of Orlando & Miranda. He's looking at her like, Honey, keep the curtains closed.
I actually like Nicole's dress – it's a bit daring, but something only a tall, elegant woman could pull off.
Oh, Jessica. Unfortunate color, unfortunate bustline, unfortunate hairline. She's a lovely woman, but this isn't working.ReplyCancel
Uuummm, Jessica Chastain looks like Kathy Griffin in that picture. I had to do a double take!ReplyCancel
Jessica Chastain and Jennifer Lawrence bustlines make them worst dressed for me. I hope Chastain fired her stylist.
I thought Nicole Kidman looked the best I've seen her recently.
Naomi's dress was just too heavy for me.
Loved Tina Fey's look. Amy's shoes ruined her outfit.
Claire Danes looked rushed, as if she got ready at the last minute and ran to the event. The gown didn't fit her properly.
Rachel Weisz's dress was hideous.
I keep hearing about Swift's reaction to Adele winning. I have to try and find it online.ReplyCancel
Loved Claire's dress and the color of Swifty's dress.
Rachel Weisz: worst dressed nominee
Naomi usually looks great, but I don't like this dress.ReplyCancel
Either Swifty had strategic filling in that dress, or she had a visit from the silicone fairy. She suddenly has curves where she had none just weeks ago.
Strategic placement of that bag, Miranda. Maybe a tad less slit next time.
Rachel is wearing curtains? That dress would have been fine without the gauze.
Jennifer's dress looks painful.
Claire Dane looks slightly manic.ReplyCancel
I actually really like Rachel's dress. I love the sheer with polka dots 🙂ReplyCancel
Jennifer Garner's dress looks like it's on backwards!ReplyCancel
You guys already said everything I felt about Jessica C hair. Gah.
She does seem so sweet.
Could be Clint Howard is her father and the mother could never stomach admitting to having sex with him.
Sorry Clint.ReplyCancel
It's all in the hair re. Tina Fey
Swifty has totes had her bewbs done.
Did anyone else see Nic when they called her name out for the noms. She was clapping for everyone else and when they said her name she stopped and hid her hands. She's doing well at being human lately.ReplyCancel
Tina and Amy look fab except didn't love Amy's side hair.
Lea Michelle looks amazing (love the dress!)
Claire Danes looked great except for the eye makeup.
Jen G. is a bust tailoring away from gorgeous.
Taylor looks fab…one of my favorite dresses.
JLaw looked beautiful but has she had a nose job? Her nose to face proportions looked odd last night…I've never thought that before.
LOVE Miranda's dress (and how shes covering the fine china).
Rachel, from the neck up is stunning. From the neck down…no.
Love Nicole's dress. She looked beautiful.
I want to be Stacy's bestie. She looks so darn nice.
Oh, Jessica. Just…no.ReplyCancel
Honestly, do you think Jessica Chastain is Ron Howards daughter? I've heard the rumors (well, not really, just that she's his), but is there ANY truth to them? Is he married? As in, like, married for a long time, sort of thing?ReplyCancel
I am totally on CDaN/GG overload. When you said Rachel looks stunning from the neck up, I thought you were talking about Rachel Zoe!
I love Claire Danes hair. Jessica Chastain is absolutely gorgeous, but that dress was hideous. I envy redheads, and adore her hair. Her hairstyle last night was fug. Her hairline reminds me of Gary Oldman's in Dracula. Hopefully she will make better choices for the Oscars,ReplyCancel
I actually loved Amy's shoes and that Stella McCartney suit fit her like a glove!
Tina's hair looked the best I've ever seen it look, but I wasn't a big fan of her red carpet dress. The one she wore at the top of the show was stunning and really showed off her figure (she usually is great at picking dresses that do so).
I think that from far away and from the front JLaw's dress looked great. But any close-up or side shot showed that weird boob action. I don't understand why anyone would make a dress like that, let alone wear it.
Poor Jessica Chastain. Her boobs looked so saggy in that ill-fitting dress and her hairstyle was dreadful.
Did anyone even interview Orlando and Miranda? I didn't even know they were there until I saw pictures afterwards.
And the past 2 dresses T. Swift has worn have proven her boob job. Not that it looks bad, just that it's incredibly obvious.
Lea Michele looks like she fell in a vat of self-tanner.ReplyCancel
Bryce Dallas Howard (Ron Howard's daughter) and Jessica Chastain, side by side.
Doesn't prove or disprove, there's just a lot of speculation based on how much they alike and that Robin Williams funded JC's Julliard tuition.ReplyCancel
Jennifer Garner's boobs look like two cats fighting in a bag.ReplyCancel
@DZB, damn, do they look alike….SERIOUSLY….ReplyCancel
@DBZee and Feraltart
They even have chin clefts. Wow, I really was skeptical until I saw the photos side by side.ReplyCancel
To be fair, one could say something similar about the Isla Fisher/Amy Adams confusion, but the background on JC makes it a bit more plausible.
Another one where they're actually side by side – smile creases and chins are almost identical.
(Sorry about the wording on the first pic – JC is on the left, BDH on the right).ReplyCancel
Sunny…AHHHH! You made me look…that is all kinds of no, no, no. What the hell?
I still don't think they look anymore similar than Isla Fisher and Amy Adams. Yes, they look similar but I think that first picture is just a good choice of pictures and the reality is more like the dissimilarities readily apparent in the second picture.
Sure, maybe RH is her dad, but I still don't see it.ReplyCancel
I have to say – when I first saw The Help and hadn't really heard of Jessica Chastain, I kept remarking to myself how similar she and Bryce looked in the movie, even though Jessica had blonde hair and Bryce had red! When both have red hair (especially in pictures side by side) they look creepily similar! I wouldn't discredit the Ron Howard rumor…ReplyCancel