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Skip to comments.What do you want America to look like in 30-50 years?
Posted on 04/04/2013 7:03:57 PM PDT by Conservative Beacon
I have not posted here in a while, but I wanted to reach out to my fellow freepers for your views on a very important topic: the future of America.
We know our current situation and its continued decline should the course not be altered. I am interested in what America will look like in 30-50 years should we reverse our current course.
So I am curious as to what that America looks like to you. What is your dream, best case scenario 30-50 year vision of America, all facets-overall culture, education, media, government, etc?
It depends. Our society has always gone back and forth with conservative and liberal stuff. The pendalum constantly goes back and forth. The under 30's might be our only hope. I am 43 so in 30-50 years, I will be 73-93 if I live that long....Maybe 73 but doubt 93...if it gets any worse, I hope not to be honest.
I think 40 years (two generations) is a minimum that it will take to reverse course and to ensure that we aren't going to revert... we will have continuing medical advances and the population will continue to average up in age... whether it's a better place or not will be dependent on whether or not we regain our moral compass. Over the short term (10-15 years) we could go "road warrior" and live like animals if the monetary system collapses.
I have no hope that America will reverse course. Obama wants tens of millions of Americans to die, and they will. After that, the Mexicans, Muslims, Russians, Red Chinese, North Koreans, etc., will flood in and loot the place. After that, America will be a Communist-Muslim dung heap.
Obama and his butt buddies have already obliterated America.
The war is now about liberty and freedom and God.
We must never give up...never give in!
I would hope that we would have the technology of Buck Rogers,
the family structure and values of the 1950s, drive muscle cars and motorcycles similar to those from the 1960s, and the fashion style of the 1930's .....well, everything except for the bathing suits from that time. Well, it would be nice if that were the case.
I'd like it to look like the pre-Kenyan America. However, I believe that it will look like Mexico does now. Americans will be sneaking across the border into Mexico and points south to escape the tyrannical U.S. government, poverty and drug cartels running this country. Mexico will be the only country in this hemisphere where you'll be able to get decent health care.
1. Abortion outlawed
2. Gays back in the closet
3. Churches filled to the brim on Sundays
4. Households full of children
5. Homeschooling is the norm
6. Strong national security & defense
7. A truly free market - no more crony capitalism
8. A strong dollar
Basically, full restoration of the Constitution & faith in Almighty God. I pray it happens.
I think 40 years (two generations) is a minimum that it will take to reverse course and to ensure that we arent going to revert... we will have continuing medical advances and the population will continue to average up in age... whether its a better place or not will be dependent on whether or not we regain our moral compass. Over the short term (10-15 years) we could go road warrior and live like animals if the monetary system collapses.
The productive power of robots is going to turn society on its head, all over the world.
The changes that were wrought by the microcomputer and internet revolutions of the 70s, 80s and 90s will look like a Sunday-school picnic next to what's coming when robot labor becomes ubiquitous.
The left is going to take that power and use it to "liberate" about 99% of society from the need to do any productive work at all.
That situation won't last long, however. Idle hands are the devil's playground, and that aphorism will play out on steroids in the spiritually destitute world of the future.
Well reading that made me think of this saying
A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
Sadly I think we are though and I wont be here to see it
Our future will be a devolution to lows I can't concieve.
I'm 65. What the hell do I care?
Looks more like a flying hibachi
I agree that it will take at least two generations to reverse the current course and that many of us probably will not be around. But we still need a goal or some vision to work towards for future generations.
To me, it is all about the education system and the media. Those have to be at the top of the priority list.
This is a very good discussion about an important topic.
I am sick of hearing about how the country will not exist in 50 years or that freedom will have been eradicated.
I want to discuss how we are going to prevent that and then what the restored America will look like so that we devote ourselves to realizing that vision, or at least moving us towards achieving it.
Please keep the responses coming.
I want an America of freedom not slavery to communism, do you not have family
Given the choice between here and the utter hell liberals will create using just what you described or living on a spacecraft with bad air and water, working hard for that to survive while heading out to who know what in a dangerous universe, I'll take option two.
Humans aren't really humans if we don't struggle.
As long as it flys and I don't have to sit in traffic, I don't care if it looks like Helen Thomas. ;~))
Fractured. Non English speaking. Extreme poverty. Civil war between non English speaking States and minority English Speaking States. Rampant racism.
In perspective, 30 years ago was 1983, and 50 years ago was 1963.
In April of 1983, April 4 First flight of the Space Shuttle Challenger. April 18 The U.S. Embassy bombing in Beirut which killed 63 people.
In April of 1963, April 7 Yugoslavia is proclaimed to be a socialist republic, and Josip Broz Tito is named President for Life. April 10 The U.S. nuclear submarine Thresher sinks 220 miles (350 km) east of Cape Cod; all 129 crewmen die.
And I still get called in to teach a few special courses. ;)
It belongs to them from here on out. I did the best I could and taught the best I knew.
Obama is thinking, "Damn, how can I pull that off?"
Johnny, I am likely older than you, and I expect to still be around.
That said, I expect to see the Republic fully restored...the Republic that our Founders gave us. I also expect to see safeguards added that make it a lot more difficult for the commie-leftist-dems to do again what has been done in the last 100 years or so...and especially beginning with FDR. No more of that kind of crap. I also expect to have a hand in the restoration...in whatever manner might be required to achieve it.
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This is exactly the approach to take.
a muslim ghetto in France.
BUT the good news is because of our staunch Christ like adhence to our principles Mitt didnt get his way.
We are far better off with a any dem than a less them perfect conservative.
Can you say President Clinton again?
She will be our next president.
Without even knowing who will run against her, I can state that he or she will not get our support.
Read history.
We will become smaller nations based on geography and their assets. When Boulder Dam goes, Vegas is gone overnight, LA in 10 days. Desert regions will suffer, water will be gold.
Only those who have known depredations will fight for freedom, as it was at our founding. God will destroy the cities so we know He is God, nothing new here.
As I said, I've done my bit and handed over to the next generations. I'm reference material and training at this point.
Flying cars.
But, as their old and sickly protoplasm gradually putrefies and expires, their children and grandchildren will have grown increasingly weary of big government. We will no longer be an aging society and there will be a renewal of the American spirit.
Once this crop of grasping seniors is gone, this will become a great country again.
But keep saying it. In many, many ways, it is true.
Fractured. Non English speaking. Extreme poverty. Civil war between non English speaking States and minority English Speaking States. Rampant racism.
Shoot, we've almost got this NOW!
I don't know what you mean by that, immigration has mostly led us left since the 1840s and the immigration of the last 40 years is so large and overwhelmingly and never ending that it ends any chance of cycles.
The under 30s spell the end of America, not it's hope.
Amazing, you have it totally, completely backwards, conservatism will die out as the younger generations take over.
You really don't know who votes how?
My heart will blow out of my chest long before 30 more years.
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Johnny, I too have done my part and handed over...my legacy is in my children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. Yet I am no dreamer. I believe we will see things change. I believe we will see the tide turn, the Republic restored. It will be because of what we are doing, and what our children are supporting. It will be the real legacy we leave to our grandchildren, our great grandchildren.
My great, great, great grandfather was born in 1774...two years before the Declaration...his father was in Boston for the Original Tea Party.
We are survivors. We are a part of what made America great. We are a part of it now...and will be into the future, including the not so far future.
God will remove me from this scene in His time. And I will go, yielding willing to His Will. 'Til then, I will give all to do His Will as He leads me regarding my part in the future of this, His country.
This country does not, never did, nor never will belong to Barack Hussein Obama.
Lord, to think what we COULD have been, if Reagan types had continued to be elected into office ...we'd be the Shining City on the Hill — diseases wiped out, democracy flourishing across the globe, cures for cancer found, nations lifted out of poverty, an outstanding standard of living here in the US. . . and better standards of living elsewhere, allowing people from around the world to REMAIN in their own countries, where they truly are most happy and allowed to live in their most authentic way.
My second choice would be a post apocalyptic place — either better or for worse .. . whatever the outcome, we will be set back a century or two. I pray that those who survive are GOOD people who will continue to advance liberty, freedom and our Constitution. I am working VERY hard to increase our chances for survival ...but it's getting to be more of a struggle . . .
And I don't even want to comment on what I believe we WILL look like in 30-50 years.
The 60 and under crowd will most certainly will not be the saving generations, but they can plant the seeds.
The reversal has to start with us. I am 30. If my generation and current conservatives and patriots do not start making inroads in the education system and gaining more influence in the media, then it will never turn around we will setence future generations "to a thousand years of darkness."
I want an America where white males are allowed to have jobs and drink out of the same water fountains as the hispanic majority.
I want an America where blacks promote affirmative action for white minorities.
I want an America where someone other than a Clinton or Bush can be president.
I have to disagree with you. The younger generations are going to be footing the bill for all of the senior handouts (Social Security, Medicare) that will be doled out to a population of seniors that is currently growing in their number and in their avarice.
I think that when they're done paying for this huge glut of seniors, the younger generation will be desperately longing to exchange what will be their stifling high tax rates for the fresh air of some more liberty in their lives. Until this crop of seniors is gone, it's going to continue to be "gimme, gimme, gimme" and "pay me 'til I tell you to stop."
The sooner that this current generation of seniors is gone, the sooner that America can become America again.
Told you.
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Governments impose taxes on a wide range of things, but at the most basic level, every tax is simply a charge for conducting economic activity. In the case of income taxes, that economic activity is people and businesses making money. With sales taxes, it's the purchase of goods and services. With property taxes, it's ownership of property. Every tax lays claim to a certain percentage of the economic activity on which it's imposed. That percentage is the tax rate.
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Bouw geste or a Bouw jest?
Jean Lefebvre
June 28 2009 09:16AM
One website proclaimed it a "Bouw Coup." A very neat and clever play on words, but how much of a coup was it really for the Flames to acquire the negotiating rights to lanky defenceman Jay Bouwmeester in exchange for a third-round draft choice?
The answer of course depends on the level of understanding that exists, if any, between the Flames and the Bouwmeester camp in regards to hammering out a new deal. Or it depends on how quickly Darryl Sutter can sweet-talk the d-man known as J-Bo into signing on the dotted line instead of tossing himself onto the open market and letting the offers pour in.
Sutter, who has absolutely no reason to tell the truth on the matter, claims there were no pre-trade negotiations with Bouwmeester and agent Byron Baltimore. Those with less to hide (but also with questionable actual insight into the situation) seem to be of the opinion that this is nothing more than a four-day window of opportunity to discuss with Bouwmeester. In other words, more along the lines of Montreal's ill-fated acquisition of Mats Sundin's rights a year ago than Philadelphia's trade-and-sign flim-flam with Scott Hartnell and Kimmo Timonen in 2007.
So, Flames fans, the question you have to ask yourself is: Just how much is a lottery ticket to the best free-agent blue-liner on the market worth? Is it worthy of the No. 67 overall pick. Or, to put a name on this game, is it worth a Gregory Campbell or a Kris Russell?
Those two chaps, a Florida forward and a Columbus defenceman, are the two of the better selections to come out of the No. 67 slot in the best two decades, give or take a Jim Cummins or a Brad Isbister. After that, it's a who's-who of who's-that? – Kirill Tulupov, Nick Johnson, Igor Mirnov, Robin Leblanc, Max Birbraer, Evgeny Konstantinov, Alex Henry, Mike Souza, Gordie Dwyer, Craig Reichert, Mikael Tjallden, Travis Thiessen, Kerry Toporowski and Joel Blain.
But whatever you do, lovers of the Flaming-C, don't go back 21 years. That's because the No. 67 choice in 1988 was none other than Hall-of-Famer in waiting Mark Recchi. (And to give you an idea what kind of draft it was that year, two of the three picks after Recchi were – yikes! -- Tony Amonte and Rob Blake).
Now chances are Josh Birkholz, the guy the Panthers took with the pick they got from the Flames for the 96-hour bargaining-athon with Bouwmeester, will be more Birbraer than Recchi, but wouldn't it be a cruel blow to the solar plexus for Bouwmeester to spurn the Flames' advances and for Birkholz to turn into a pretty good player?
Thanks to the Coyotes' charitable gesture to take Jim Vandermeer's contract off the Flames' hands – maybe somebody needs to have a judge look at that decision –Calgary has some loot to toss at Bouwmeester. Now the question is: Do they have the salesmanship to convince Bouwmeester to come here tout de suite?
While you're pondering that, here , courtesy of veteran hockey scribe, is a horrible thought if you're a Flames fan – what if (just what if mind you) there's a sliver of truth to the gossip that Olli Jokinen is a horrible teammate? Wouldn't ex-Panthers teammate Bouwmeester be fully aware of that and decide to try his luck with one of the other 28 teams? Or at least one of the seven or eight clubs with the cap room and buying impulse to bid for the rearguard's services?
Fasten your seat belts, boys and girls, it's going to be a helluva ride.
More on the Bouwmeester situation from the Herald's George Johnson, who spoke to the defenceman's father. If pop holds any sway in his son's hockey decisions, this doesn't bode particularly well for the Flames.
"He makes his own decisions, but if I were him I'd wait until July 1 to see what's out there,'' he admitted. "He knows Calgary has a good team, and he's always said he enjoyed playing there. But how many chances does a player have at unrestricted free agency? Who knows what might come along? The money isn't going to be (the determining factor).
"No, I'm not surprised (at the trade). Florida had to do something to get something out of it. And Calgary was smart. But that doesn't make him their player yet.''
Dan Bouwmeester also shot down the misconception around these parts that in making the deal, the Flames had the inside track.
"That is totally false.''
Wasn't the 3rd they gave up the one they got from Jersey? If so, they essentially traded down 3 spots, still got the guy they wanted (read/heard somewhere that Erixson's name was actually sewed on, not the typical velcro namebar), created a 3rd round pick so that they could make the J-Bo move, dumped a d-man they weren't gonna resign, dumped a d-man that has tons of heart & character but a bigger ticket than he should, thus creating cap space, and reacquire a spark plug he never wanted to lose in the 1st place. Sounds good to me.
And do you really think that Olli Jokinen could have THAT much of a negative impact regardless of what Bouwmeester thinks of him?
For what its worth, the ~mastermind~ Eklund says the deal is "done with a 6.3 cap hit". Ya… I'll believe it when I hear it from a reputable source.
Do you think the Flames could flip Corey Sarich to Boston for Marco Sturm, or to Toronto for Niklas Hagman? Would you?
Sutter has done some impressive things with contract negotiations before, so I don't necessarily write off this trade yet. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if there were some sort of announcement as early as tomorrow. I think for a guy of J-Bo's character, the chance to play with Regehr, Phaneuf and Iginla would be a real selling point, especially if you consider the Flames' chances to move to the cup finals with the kind of total defence they would have.
But as my wife likes to remind me, I am often catastrophically wrong.
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And do you really think that Olli Jokinen could have THAT much of a negative impact regardless of what Bouwmeester thinks of him?
Matthew Barnaby's cancer comment notwithstanding, outsiders can only guess at the nature of the relationship between Jokinen and Bouwmeester or any other former teammates.
But in a general sense, it's not hard to imagine disliking a co-worker enough that you'd think twice about re-entering the same workplace with him or her again. Especially in case where you've got plenty of other options, all of them offering you millions of dollars.
Either way, it's just speculation and it's likely Bouwmeester has at least eight other considerations that are as important than the pros and cons of a reunion with Jokinen.
June 28 2009, 04:59PM
For the entirety of his pro career Bouwmeester's been basically given a free ride as a player because he played for a lousy team.
Assuming he goes to the Flames, it will be interesting to see how Bouwmeester responds to the pressure of fans and media who 1) care about how the team does and 2) can tell when a player is phoning it in.
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Matthew Barnaby's cancer comment notwithstanding, outsiders can only guess at the nature of the relationship between Jokinen and Bouwmeester or any other former teammates
I don't quite follow. What did Barnaby say?


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Shoreline Community College is dedicated to ensuring students are financially prepared to attend college. The college has been proactive in financial assistance programs and services to meet the growing need and demand.
Financial Aid applications are still being accepted for 2009-2010. Students are asked to prepare early by allowing up to 12 weeks to process financial aid from the date a file is complete. A completed file includes the Free Application for Student Financial Aid (FAFSA), the college data sheet, and any additional documentation if a student is selected by FAFSA for verification. Although, the college is still accepting financial aid applications, we are past the deferment date (which places a hold on tuition until financial aid can be processed for Winter 2010). As always, students are asked to make alternative plans to pay for college.
With the effort of many college employees for over a year, the college is excited to offer students a new comprehensive payment plan option. This payment plan is linked to a student's bank account and allows for several installments through a third party vendor (Nelnet). While there is still a small fee, students will have greater flexibility than the previous payment plan option.
The college has several other financial assistance programs and service options through the Foundation, Worker Retraining (funds have been allocated for this year), Opportunity Grant, WorkFirst, and BFET, as well as short-term loans available through the Women's and Multicultural Center.
Additionally, the college has created a wonderful new Service Learning program for which students are helping other students complete the FAFSA throughout the year. Again, this program took many employees to build, train the students, and implement in a short amount of time.
Student Success is achievable through academic preparation, open access, support services, and through intentional financial planning. Please ensure our students are prepared by reinforcing this message with them.
Shoreline Community College has notified union representatives that all faculty jobs at the school could be at risk.
Known as a Reduction in Force (RIF) notice, the college has never before put every faculty member on notice.
"We've faced cuts before, but we've never faced anything like what appears to be coming," said Vice President for Academic Affairs John Backes, referring to pending state budget cuts. The notice was by Backes to college and faculty union officials on Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009.
By contract, the college is obligated to send such notices as soon as possible, said Stephen P. Smith, Vice President for Human Resources and Legal Affairs. Smith said classified union members and other employee groups have not been noticed because of differences in contract language. "We've spoken with the other groups," Smith said. "They're aware."
In previous years, faculty for programs that drop below designated enrollment targets could've received RIF notices. However, economic conditions have forced many people back to school and Shoreline, like all other community and technical colleges in the state, are seeing explosive enrollment growth. In his message to union reps, deans and other administrators, Backes wrote:
"After review of all programs for low enrollment, I have concluded that no current programs are under-enrolled using the criteria we used last year. That does not mean, however, that all programs are at capacity. Given the anticipated budget reductions for the 2009-2011 biennium … and the (State Board of Community and Technical College) Declaration of Financial Emergency … adopted on June 11, 2009, … I must put all RIF units on notice for a Reduction In Force for the 2009-2011 biennium regardless of their enrollment."
"This is an extremely serious situation," Backes said on Friday, Nov. 20. "This is going to hurt us in ways we can't even imagine. We're going to chop into healthy programs"
On Thursday, the state announced the projected budget shortfall had grown to $2.6 billion. Potential cuts for community and technical colleges had been predicted in the 6-12 percent range. Backes said the Thursday announcement makes 12 percent seem more likely. "A 12 percent cut will be catastrophic for most institutions of higher education in this state," he said.
Amy Kinsel, 1st Vice President of the SCC Federation of Teachers Local 1950, Faculty, agreed with Backes' assessment.
"If layoffs happen, it will cut into our ability to serve the same number of students," she said. "The (union) opposes any additional faculty layoffs. The state budget situation is dire. We're looking to the Legislature to be innovative in finding a solution."
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Sources of $2.6 Billion Shortfall
Revenues dropping- $686 million June Forecast- $238 million September Forecast- $760 million November Forecast- $154 million Tax Lawsuit Pending- $1.84 billion Subtotal
Costs Rising, Issues Emerging
- $659 million Demand for health care, schools, prisons- $12 million Forest fires, landslides, dam failures, other- $71 million Lawsuits blocking planned cuts- $742 million Subtotal
- $2.6 billion Total
Sources of $2.6 Billion Shortfall
Revenues dropping- $686 million June Forecast- $238 million September Forecast- $760 million November Forecast- $154 million Tax Lawsuit Pending- $1.84 billion Subtotal
Costs Rising, Issues Emerging
- $659 million Demand for health care, schools, prisons- $12 million Forest fires, landslides, dam failures, other- $71 million Lawsuits blocking planned cuts- $742 million Subtotal
- $2.6 billion Total
Chart from SBCTC staff reviews issues related the state budget deficit.
As anticipated, the projected hole in the state budget got deeper when officials announced Thursday that the expected deficit is now $2.6 billion.
"As Gov. Gregoire said a week ago, 'This is dire,'" Shoreline Community College President Lee Lambert said Thursday afternoon, Nov. 19, 2009. "The previous forecast put the problem at $1.8 billion, but most people thought it would slide to at least $2 billion, maybe a little more. This is worse than we expected."
Lambert said the new revenue forecast makes SCC's planning efforts now underway all the more urgent.
"The subgroup formed from the Budget and Strategic Planning committees is meeting this month," Lambert said. "They'll make recommendations and assist college administrators as we look for ways to deal with the budget cuts that are undoubtedly coming our way."
Previously, officials from the State Board of Community and Technical Colleges said, as a best-case scenario, colleges could expect to be asked to cut an additional 6 percent from their budgets. A worst-case scenario would be double that, 12 percent. For Shoreline Community College, those percentages would translate to $1.2 million to $2.4 million.
Just how potential impacts would be felt aren't well known at this time. While the state budget is definitely in trouble, strings attached to the acceptance of federal stimulus package money may tie lawmakers' hands.
"Through our conversations with OFM (the Office of Financial Management), House and Senate staff, we continue to believe that the maintenance-of-effort requirements that are attached to federal stimulus dollars, places some protection around education (including higher education)," said Chris Reykdal, of the SBCTC staff. "As we've mentioned before, the current estimate is that higher education institutions can't be cut by more than $80 million in total for (fiscal year) 2011."
However, Reykdal cautioned that there are variables such as the federal restrictions don't cover financial aid, the restrictions are based on interpretations of U.S. Department of Education rules and it isn't clear how the Legislature might choose to spread any anticipated higher-education cuts.
Reykdal called the coming choices for lawmakers, "gut-wrenching."
"There will be tremendous pressure to spread the pain more evenly across all of the major functions of state government," Reykdal said. "Message: higher education will have a target on its back, and the $80 million fence … is not a guaranteed protection."
SCC's Mike Nelson holds up a Silicon Energy solar module showing Speaker of the House Frank Chopp how light passes through as state Rep. Maralyn Chase looks on. (More photos)
Frank Chopp, Speaker of the House in the Washington Legislature, and state Rep. Maralyn Chase got an up-close look at several key Workforce Education programs at Shoreline Community College.
Chopp and Chase met with SCC President Lee Lambert, Vice President of Academic Affairs John Backes and others before embarking on a walking tour Wednesday, Nov. 18, 2009.
The first stop was at the Clean Energy Technology Center. The expanding program under Director Mike Nelson was recently rebadged from Zero Energy Technology. In the Zero Energy Technology House, Nelson showed examples of solar wafers, modules and system pieces that are all built in Washington. Nelson told the Speaker that classes in his program are geared toward skills that can help put students to work.
While at the house, Nicole Starnes Taylor, an architect with Make Designs Studio, LLC, shared conceptual designs for both a solar-powered carport and a Clean Energy Technology project building. The carport concept is a crossroads project of both the Clean Energy and Automotive technology centers. The idea is that current solar-electric technology can be used to create a solar-powered plug-in station for electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles. Rep. Chase has been working on getting state start-up funds for the idea.
The concept behind the project building is to create an envelope, much like a large greenhouse, inside which normally outdoor projects, offices and other program functions can take place, out of the weather. In this case, much of the glass would actually be solar modules, potentially allowing the entire project to have net-zero use.
Chopp showed considerable interest in Nelson's program, adding that beyond the jobs and energy benefits, he has a personal interest. "I'm designing what I hope will be our next house," Chopp said, adding that he wants a solar component to the building.
Chopp said he understands the difficulty in getting capital projects funded, but added that he may have a solution coming in the 2010 Legislature. "We looking at introducing the JOBS Act of 2010," Chopp said. "That's, 'Jobs and Opportunities for Better Schools.'"
The idea is that the state would sell bonds, with the revenue going to energy retrofit of existing buildings as well as some new construction. While the concept was generally intended for K-12 schools, Chopp said that there's no reason the law couldn't include community colleges. Chopp said the measure would likely pass the House, but because it would sell bonds, have to go to a statewide vote for approval. "Stayed tuned on that one," he said.
Chopp asked a pointed question of Nelson and his program: "Why here, why Shoreline?"
Nelson's reply came quickly: "Because they wanted us, they support us."
That answer resonated with Chopp. "I'm not all bureaucratic," he said. "I understand activism and that where there's energy and desire, that's where things grow and that's where you support them."
The tour then moved on to the Automotive Technology Center where Director Don Schultz talked about the program, its partners and the new building expansion.
"This program is all about jobs," Schultz said. "Every student in the program has a job in a dealership. We have 100 percent placement."
Schultz listed the manufacturers represented in the program, including: Toyota, Honda, GM, Chrysler, Volvo, Kia/Hyundai and Subaru plus Snap-on Tools, Hunter Industries and Chicago Pneumatic. Schultz then introduced Jim Hammond, Executive Director of the Puget Sound Auto Dealers.
"The partnership between Shoreline Community College, our dealers and the manufacturers is what makes this program unique," Hammond told Chopp.
During the tour, Schultz pointed out how the millions of dollars contributed by industry partners allow the program to educate and train students that get jobs and pay taxes. "The top technician at Roy Robinson Chevrolet in Marysville, one of our students, made $148,000 last year," Schultz said.
In addition, the partnerships mean that thousands of incumbent workers come to Shoreline Community College for additional training. "That's education that the state doesn't have to pay for," Schultz said.
The partnerships also allow the program to reach into the K-12 system. "Last summer, dealer donations allowed us to bring in high school teachers from across the state for additional training," he said. Schultz said he's looking to the state to partner with industry to expand the K-12 component.
During the tour, which also stopped the CNC Machining program, Chopp acknowledged the difficult budgetary situation for the state, but also said he and other lawmakers are looking for solutions. He urged college officials to work closely with Chase.
"I've been looking for someone in the (Democratic) caucus to take the lead on these things and Maralyn is the one," Chopp said. "She gets it."
Although we all know we need to be mindful about putting our personal items in a safe place at work, sometimes we are reminded to do so by those who take advantage of us. On Monday of this week, two employees returned to their desks after having been gone only a short time and only across the hallway, to find their wallet and cell phones gone. Two other similar incidents occurred earlier this fall in employee offices in the 2800 and 2900 buildings.
Safety and Security Director, Robin Heslop says we all have to watch out for one another. "Sometimes there is nothing you can do to prevent being victimized, but there are definitely things we can do -- starting with being aware and watching out for one another."
Heslop suggests the following:
1. Be aware of your surroundings.2. Watch out for each other.3. If you see anyone acting suspiciously (loitering, someone in an area they shouldn't be in, etc.), look them directly in the eye and ask them if you can help them - then call Safety and Security at x4633. If you can't reach anyone there, call 206-235-5860. 4. Lock up your personal items in a desk, file cabinet or locker. (Thieves know that most people put purses in bottom drawers - so be sure to lock it. Never put your purse or valuables on the floor or beneath your desk.)5. Lock your office door when you leave (even for only a short period of time).6. Do not leave your cell phone sitting in plain sight. Thieves have taken them.Heslop says that before coming you work you might consider:
1. Making photo copies of the front and back of your credit cards (so you have a list of credit card numbers and who to call) in case they are stolen.2. Eliminate the things in your wallet or purse that you don't need. The fewer items you have, the fewer items that can be taken.
"And lastly, if you have a door chime, please turn it on, or consider putting a bell on the door, something that alerts you that someone has entered the building," Heslop said.
Committees form subgroup for budget and planning work
To help chart a course for implementing likely budget cuts in the coming year, the Budget and Strategic Planning committees have formed a subgroup to make recommendations and assist college administrators.
The subgroup had an initial meeting Thursday, Nov. 12, with SCC President Lee Lambert and the senior executive team to review goals. The subgroup is scheduled to meet on its own four additional times in November.
No definitive deadline for the subgroup was set, with Vice President for Administrative Service Daryl Campbell acknowledging the broad set of variables surrounding budget issues.
Subgroup members are: Mary Keleman, Kira Wennstrom, Larry Fuell, Mary Bonar, Gillian Lewis, Chip Dodd, Susan Hoyne and Angela Atkinson.The numbers are in from across the state and it is clear that community and technical colleges are doing more with less, lots more with lots less.
Committees form subgroup for budget and planning work
To help chart a course for implementing likely budget cuts in the coming year, the Budget and Strategic Planning committees have formed a subgroup to make recommendations and assist college administrators.
The subgroup had an initial meeting Thursday, Nov. 12, with SCC President Lee Lambert and the senior executive team to review goals. The subgroup is scheduled to meet on its own four additional times in November.
No definitive deadline for the subgroup was set, with Vice President for Administrative Service Daryl Campbell acknowledging the broad set of variables surrounding budget issues.
Subgroup members are: Mary Keleman, Kira Wennstrom, Larry Fuell, Mary Bonar, Gillian Lewis, Chip Dodd, Susan Hoyne and Angela Atkinson.
Community and technical colleges continue to be part of the solution to Washington's economic recovery with people turning to two-year colleges in record numbers. The latest numbers from fall quarter 2009 show that enrollments are up 16 percent above the state-funded level. At the same time, that state-funded level is down 11 percent.
At Shoreline Community College, enrollment this fall is up 9 percent over the fall 2008 number, which was itself a significant increase over fall 2007. Enrollment for summer quarter 2009 showed a 16.4 percent over the previous year.
"Those are huge increases, but they could've been even more staggering considering that we turned away hundreds of students due to lack of financial support," said Tonya Drake, Vice President of Student Success at Shoreline. "We could've served so many more, but the money just ran out."
While the enrollment numbers at Shoreline and around the state are big, the financial aid numbers are eye-popping.
"Requests for federal student loans are up 52 percent," Drake said. "The amount of federal aid granted and available to students for fall quarter was up 65 percent, more than $1 million."
According to officials at the State Board of Community and Technical Colleges, this surge of students is stretching the system to the breaking point. While community and technical colleges have a long history of meeting their students' and communities' needs, it is increasingly difficult to serve everyone who walks through the door.
State officials say colleges have tried to shield instructional expenses from cuts while slicing deeply in other areas. Faculty members are taking more students into classes and foregoing professional development plans. Many colleges used one-time federal stimulus package money, hoping to bridge a gap that continues to grow. Those efforts, officials say, have allowed the system to serve an additional 31,000 people across the state who otherwise would've been turned away.
Officials say that all those efforts have used up any "give" in the system. Currently, colleges have exhausted all cost-cutting efforts, classes are as crammed as they can get, waitlists are growing larger, and financial aid is largely tapped out, they say.
Still, things may not get better anytime soon.
At Shoreline's recent all-campus meeting, Vice President for Administrative Service Daryl Campbell said more cuts should be expected to come out of the pending legislative session. "We've been told, the best-case scenario will likely be a 6 percent reduction, about $1.2 million for SCC," Campbell said. "The worst case-scenario could be as much as 12 percent."
Dr. David Fleming, Director of Public Health - Seattle & King County, speaks at Shoreline Community College on Nov. 9, 2009 as part of the SCC Global Affairs Center series on the health of health-care systems around the world. Click here for a video of Fleming.
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At the halfway point of Shoreline Community College Global Affairs Center's four-part series looking at health-care systems around the world, one thing is clear: There are lots of ways to take your medicine.
Part 1 of the series kicked off Monday, Nov. 9, 2009 with a viewing of "Sick Around the World," a documentary by the PBS show, Frontline. After the hour-long show, attendees heard from Dr. David Fleming, director of Public Health – Seattle & King County. Fleming has also worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation directing health-care initiatives and for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control as deputy administrator.
"We're at a very exciting time in public health and fortunate to be living where we do," Fleming said.
The Obama administration has made several attempts at adding significant funding for public health. "The House bill that passed (Nov. 7, 2009) contains $30 billion for public health," Fleming said. "The Senate version has less, $20 billion, but that's still a lot."
Fleming also said that as chair of a local group of health-care providers, insurance companies, hospitals and others, he's optimistic that constructive change can come to the health-care system in this country.
In Part 2 of the series, on Tuesday, Nov. 10, Canadian journalist Ian Parker provided a glimpse into just how health care works north of the border. Parker, who is currently living in the U.S., outlined the differences between the Canadian and U.S. systems. After his presentation, one audience member raised a hand to ask about Canadian citizenship.
For more information, go to www.shoreline.edu/gac .
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Approximately 40 faculty, staff and students stood underneath umbrellas at the flagpole in front of the Administration Building Tuesday afternoon to honor military veterans at a Veterans Day Tribute. Students who were walking by, stopped long enough to lower their heads, and some stayed for the ceremony.
Director of Special Services and chair of the Campus Veterans Education Team, Kim Thompson gave a warm welcome, thanking all for coming out in the rain to support veterans. She spoke briefly about the significance of the support of Americans.
The 10-minute event, organized by the college's new SCC Veteran Student Organization, was not only a celebration of U.S. veterans, but of two new flags donated to the college by the Shoreline American Legion, Starr Sutherland Junior Post #227. Commander Thomas Drapac gave the college a new PIO/MIA flag that will fly every day with the new American flag the legion gave the college. The new American flag replaces the former flag that was not the correct size for the large flagpole. The donations were a result of conversations at the roundtable held last March. Thompson graciously thanked Commander Drapac for the generous donations.
Following a moment of silence student and veteran, Robert Lemmons read the poem, "In Flanders Field," and then the college's Veteran Navigator, Jonathan Phillips and student Shane Freund lowered the college's old flag and folded it military style before raising the two new flags. Music student Jessica Ekegren sang the National Anthem.
It was a nice way to honor our vets, standing side-by-side with colleagues and students.
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With increased numbers of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan and a new GI bill, Shoreline Community College is developing a new plan for veteran support services.
"One of the most important things the campus community can do for veterans is to understand they are making a transition between two very different cultures," said Kim Thompson, Director of Special Services and chair of the Campus Veterans Education Team. "One of our main responsibilities is to assist student veterans as they make that transition and learn to negotiate the post secondary system."
The college is providing that support in the form of two people who have recently been assigned to ensure that our vets get all the help they need.
Angela Atkinson has been reassigned to the position of Program Coordinator for Veteran's Services. Atkinson, formerly the Program Coordinator for High School Programs, is the point person for veteran's benefits. She is well-versed in both the new and old GI bills so she can inform veterans about benefit packages so they make the right choices for their individual needs.
Both bills provide funding for vets to go to school but each bill is unique and meets specific needs. Under the old Montgomery GI Bill (Chapter 30), funding for a college education was sent directly to veterans and students had to pay for classes up front. Under the new Post 9/11 Bill, funding is sent directly to the college, making it easier for our veterans to enroll. Sounds pretty black and white? It's not. Each plan looks different – and each veteran's situation is unique. Making the right decision can be difficult, so Atkinson is there to help them by providing information.
"Some vets are better off with the old bill, and some, with the new bill," said Atkinson, who helps each veteran work through the red tape and ensures that they understand the nuts and bolts of the bills before determining which plan to go with. "In the end, it is up to the veterans to decide whether or not they will go to school under the new or the old GI bill, but I am there to help provide resources so they make an informed decision. Once the students choose to switch from the old GI Bill they can't go back. Their decision is irrevocable."
Atkinson encourages faculty and staff to let veterans know that she is there to assist students in the transition from military to college life. Veterans who have run out of benefits should contact Angela, as they might qualify for a tuition discount. There are also Veteran Community activities posted in and outside her office. Angela wants to connect the Shoreline Veterans Community as much as they want to connect. She is located in FOSS 5226 and can be reached at 206-546-4645. Her email address is firstname.lastname@example.com.
Our vets also have someone else helping them thanks to an AmeriCorps grant. As a Veteran Navigator, Jonathan Phillips is making sure that once our vets are enrolled, they continue to get the support they need. He is working on a number of projects.
One of the first things on his "To Do List" is updating the college's veteran's Web site. Phillips said it is vital to keep veterans informed about federal news that may affect them as well as updated on college news.
"There is a lot going on that veterans should know about, and much of the time, they don't," said Phillips, who is a veteran. "For example, the Veterans Administration recently released at the last minute that vets didn't have to go to Seattle to pick up checks as they could simply go online to get it. This was critical as logistically, many vets couldn't get to Seattle, and trying to coordinate how to do this caused undo stress."
The Web site will also provide information and links to partnership agencies such as the Veterans Administration and the Veterans Conservation Corps – "anything that will help them," said Phillips. He has already established a calendar of events student veterans may be interested in such as ceremonies, like the annual Veteran's Day Parade in Auburn, and various service projects around the state.
The Web site will also provide important college information. One of the announcements he is planning on putting on the new web site is that the college is bringing back a Veterans Club. "Cohort groups are powerful retention aids for colleges - we haven't had one geared towards veterans since the 80s," he said.
Phillips said the club will provide endless opportunities for vets to help vets and become leaders in their communities.
"My goals, dictated partly by AmeriCorps, the VetCorps, and Shoreline Community College, are to provide a place for vets to come together to share stories and support each other, host an array of speakers, join up with local agencies like Habitat for Humanity and Rebuilding America Together, and furnish a venue to plan events, and workshops to educate students, faculty and staff about issues that today's vets face," said Phillips.
"It's going to be their club. I want it to last long after I am gone," said Phillips.
Phillips is working with other Veteran Navigators from more than 30 colleges and universities across the state along with Mark Fischer of the Washington Department of Veterans Affairs to coordinate a North Puget Sound Committee for Veterans. They hope to bring a larger veteran community together via community events.
The grant period ends June 30, 2010.
Phillips can be reached at email@example.com or call him at 206-533-6674.
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Dr. David Fleming, Director of Public Health – Seattle & King County will kick off a four-part series at Shoreline Community College looking at health-care issues around the world.
Fleming has served as Deputy Director of the Center for Disease Control and directed the Gates Foundation's Global Health Strategies Program. Prior to Fleming's comments, there will be a showing of the Frontline documentary, "Sick Around the World." The program looks at health care in five other capitalist democracies – the United Kingdom, Japan, Germany, Taiwan and Switzerland.
Sponsored by SCC's Global Affairs Center, the series' first event will start at 7 p.m., Monday, Nov. 9 in the PUB (student union building), Room 9208.
The next three series installments will be:
· Nov. 10, 12:30 p.m., Room 1102 - Canada's Health Care System - Ian Parker, Canadian free-lance journalist who worked for the Romanow Commission of the Future of Health Care in Canada.
· Nov. 17,12:30 p.m., PUB Room 9208 - Taiwan's Health Care System - Daniel Liao, Director General, Taipei Economic and Culture Office, Seattle. Liao has held numerous positions with the Taipei government in Taipei, the U.S. and other countries.
· Nov. 24, 12:30 p.m., PUB Room 9208 - Norway's Health Care System - Kim Nesselquist, Honorary Consul General, Seattle. Nesselquist has been Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services in Oslo among other posts in Norway and the U.S.
All events will be on the main campus of Shoreline Community College. Public parking is available on campus. Enter through the main gate (west) on Innis Arden Way; public and event parking is across from the bus stop. The campus is located at 16101 Greenwood Ave. N., just west of Aurora Avenue and north of Seattle city limits.
The mission of the Global Affairs Center is to encourage critical thinking and engagement on global economic, development and social issues that contributes to sound policy, peace and prosperity. The goal is to present programs that are timely and relevant to students and community partners.
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The Department of Campus Safety and Security Room 5102 and may be reached by calling:
206-546-4633 - non-emergency
206-546-4499 - emergency
206-235-5860 - security cell
For situations that call for immediate response from police, fire or emergency medical personnel, call:
911 (9-911 from campus phones)An increase in the number of car prowls on campus has Shoreline Community College officials warning students, staff and faculty to exercise caution, keep a watchful eye and report suspicious activity.
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"We had four vehicle prowls (Monday, Nov. 2, 2009)," said Director of Safety and Security, Robin Heslop. "Two were in the west 'event lot' and two were north of the 2500 building, near the track."
Heslop said she suspects that those doing the break-ins were paying close attention to where, when and how.
"They picked lots that are more difficult to see from the main part of campus, they did them during class times, not during breaks and they did not force locks or break glass," Heslop said. "They may have used a slim jim or flat bar or something to wedge a window open.
Heslop said she believes the thieves were going for stereos. "My guess would be that in order to do this during the day while classes were going on, they may have had a look-out/accomplice helping them," she said.
"I want to remind folks not to leave anything of value in sight," Heslop said. "'Temptations' left out in clear view may be the difference between being a victim and not. I like the old adage "Out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to leaving stuff in your car. If you have to leave something behind, put it in the trunk before arriving at your location."


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Heritage spotted Castle View six points then roared back to score a 14-6 victory in the Oct. 18 Prairie League game.
"We are a very young team but we are learning and getting better every week," Mike Griebel, Eagles coach, said of his team. "We have improved so much since the start of the season and our kids battle hard every game. They don't quit. They just keep battling no matter the score."
Heritage is now 4-4 overall and 3-2 in the Prairie Conference. On Oct. 24, they are at home to face Fountain-Fort Carson, a team that is also 4-4 overall but is 4-1 in conference and one of the teams tied for first place.
The teams prefer to run the football, and they have similar season rushing statistics. Heritage is averaging 234.1 yards rushing a game, while the Trojans are averaging 238.9 yards a game.
Eagle senior Rob Sublette is the No. 2 rusher in the league, as he has gained 881 yards, while Fountain-Fort Carson's Drue Harris in No. 3 in rushing, gaining 748 yards. Heritage quarterback Mikey Griebel is the fourth-leading rusher, as he has gained 566 yards carrying the ball.
The Oct. 18 Heritage-Castle View game was a back-and-forth contest early as neither team was able to mount a sustained attack. Castle View came into the game with a balanced attack, rushing for about 144 yards a game and passing for an average of 128 yards a game. Christopher Linnin came into the game as the team rushing leader, averaging 84.4 yards a game, while Bennett Howland is the tackle leader, averaging seven a game.
The Sabercats got on the scoreboard late in the first period when quarterback Trevor Smeeton completed a 55-yard pass to Charles Sims for the touchdown. The extra point failed and Castle View led 6-0 at the end of the quarter.
The score remained unchanged until there was about two minutes left in the second period, when Andrew Shaffer ran the ball into the end zone from two yards out for a Heritage touchdown. Will Herzl kicked the extra point so the Eagles led 7-6.
The seesaw battle continued through the entire third quarter, with each team seeking unsuccessfully to mount a successful scoring attack.
In the fourth quarter, the Eagles got a drive going and pushed deep into Sabercat territory, and with about 11 minutes left in the game, Griebel scored for the Eagles on a one-yard quarterback sneak. The extra point was good. Castle View did get inside the Eagles 20 late in the game but were kept out of the end zone as Heritage won, 14-6.
The Eagles rolled up 148 yards rushing. Sublette was the rushing leader as he carried 18 times for 61 yards. Heritage passed for 96 yards. Dalton Thorpe was the leading receiver as he made three catches for 54 yards.
Defensively, the Eagles were tough. They sacked the Castle View quarterback seven times. Steven Gray was the tackle leader as he brought down runners solo and made six assists. His tackles included two sacks that cost the Sabercats 30 yards. Teammate Conner Cain had a pair of sacks for a minus 14 yards.


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That's right up there with that dumb ditzy Conn. Democrat spending the better part of a decade trying to ban (high cap magazines) and we find she never even knew what they were. They have no idea what they're doing but they're crazed and hell bent on doing it, they need to be stopped.
Why is there no mention of where the State Police obtained there information regarding this persons mental health? How was it was obtained?
This will happen again
I hope that the people involved in giving the wrong information to the pistol permit office are hung out to dry. This is a violation of the Bill of Rights that will happen again in their zeal to villify gun owners. If this is not stopped or dealt with atonce it will continue to happen. Honest law abiding citizens are being made into criminals by the idiots in charge.
chris jacobs
why did the state police go to chris jacobs? because he's the one who gave them the information in the first place.
Total and utter incompetence from our idiot governor down to the office drones in Erie County. And some heads should roll in the State Police ranks. Yes, where did they obtain health records of private citizens?
Why Are We Surprised?
Prince Andrew has made clear that he has a personal (taxpayer funded) team at his beck and call. This, you people, is the result.
Find the Source
As someone who has knowledge of the inner workings of the New York State Police, my take is that this "mistake" was ordered by someone in Division headquarters. The first thing would be to find the source of the order. How high up the chain of command did this originate? My guess is that this is on a par with the illegal investigations conducted during the short lived Spitzer regime. Secondly, the so-called mistake implys that there was another person who was the intended subject of the revocation. Does such a person exist? Thirdly, it is certainly suspicious that the person now identified as David Lewis, had in fact been prescribed psychotropic drugs. What a coincidence that the person fingered by mistake actually had one, but not both of the components that made him a target of revocation of his permit. It suggests that the "mistake" maker did have some illegal knowledge of Lewis' medical history and of the medical history of a real subject, if any. Fourth, an indepentent investigation should be demanded. It should not be conducted by a Cuomo appointee, nor be anyone connected with the bought and paid for legislature. This conduct is criminal and tryanical in character. It must not be allowed to just evaporate.
Absolutely frusterating, what a waste of taxpayer money first off. I think it's funny that these people wont even allow you to protect yourself anymore. I am worried to report any of my weapons to the state because I had prior arrests involving alcohol. One would think that it has nothing to do with owning a gun, but I really wouldn't like to find out. This state is so messed up, when is this safe act going to hit the supreme court? Can these law officials obtain a person's medical records on their own or would you have to sign a release when applying for a pistol permit/federal background check?
Weasel words
Well then - the nysp provided inaccurate information to both the Erie County Clerk and thereby to a ny state supreme court judge - who clearly acted without thought. Swell. 'Best part is the victim in this whole thing was MAILED a letter to surrender the guns that were registered - seven in all. What about the XXX (number) of long guns the fellow might have owned ? If this activity followed the letter of HIPAA etc, and this man was actually an "iminent threat to himself or others" - is the mail a proper response ? Is leaving him with (possibly) long guns still in his posession sensible ? Finally then - where did the nysp obtain information to forward to Erie County ?
You go Chris
Go for the Gold Chris, Squeeze the hell out of these nut cases out of Albany. They have no concience when squeezing law abiding people.As for Cuomos private army (state police)You need to uphold the oath that you took when you graduated.
Wrong Person?
As part of a college assignment we were required to do a Google Search on ourselves, I found 6 living people, 1 in NY State and 3 deceased besides myself, the search results actually gave a map to each home. When an Uncle had a heart attack, he was prescribed a psychotropic drug to help calm his heart rate. What are the chances someone so prescribed such with the same name can trigger the NY safe act and cause such a confiscation?
Drivers License
Will they be suspending drivers license's next
OK. I'm calling for an immediate investigation. How long can you folks hold your breath? LOL
Can anyone say HIPAA Security Act violation? Why isn't the media asking the pertinent questions? Who ordered this? Which medical facility or pharmacy illegally divulged sensitive medical information? How is taking anxiety medication linked to an individual being potentially dangerous to him/herself, requiring a response from the state police? I now know the identity of this guy and his private information is splashed across the six- o'clock news. This wasn't a "mistake." This was an experiment by the state to see what they can get away with and how society will react. Apparently, "King Andrew" decides not only which guns we can own, how many bullets they can have and now, who can own them! It appears clear to me, that David Lewis has a Jim Dandy of a lawsuit against the state and certain medical professionals.
Govermnet gone wild
This is just the beginning of "mistakes" when we put our trust in the government to know what is best for us. Their zeal will step all over law abiding citizens.
Take a page from the liberal playbook
This is a time to sue. HIPPA was violated and the law should be taken to court for it's clear violation of the Constitution. The judge is a medical moron. He has no qualifications to determine the drugs pharmacology. Why not take away steak knives, baseball bats and bricks as they can be just as deadly. Take them to court and beat them with their own "LAW" If not what's next will really be a horror.
Normal Government
This does not surprise me at all, finally more ppl are seeing that cops are the enemy of ALL ppl, not just the so called bad guys. DO NOT TRUST ANY GOVERNMENT WORKER!
read this Act
read this act and you will no what there up too. go to your computer and punch in the National Defence Authorization act s.1867. Wikipedia.org under Articles. look at Hedges vs Obama this case will blow your mind.
Drones, email surveillance and guns...
So many people today are willing to give up their 2nd Amendment rights without a fight. What happens when Big Brother wants to take away your 1st Amendment rights? Fourth Amendment rights are being trashed now on a daily basis with nary a whimper from the public because a complicit mainstream media has decided to remain silent. The NSA will be opening their gigantic electronic storage facility this year: "Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital "pocket litter." Our rights are being detroyed and most Americans are asleep, or they're willing to trade those rights for a free "Obama-phone." http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying http://www.nsawatch.org/eaves101.html http://wethepeople09171787.blogspot.com/2011/07/amendments-1-10-bill-of-rights.html
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