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CHESAPEAKE, VIRGINIA -- On May 5 2014 we purchased a 2010 Camaro. In the window of the car the federal trade commission sticker or buyers guide stated that the car was pre-owned certified by Chevrolet. This meant we received 12 month 12k mile bumper to bumper GM warranty, 24 month GM oil change plan and balance of 5 yr 100k mile powertrain warranty along with GM certified 172 point reconditions. We signed this FTC sticker per the law and the dealer had read it to us. After a month quite a few things started to go wrong on the car so I made an inquiry to General Motors. The car was in fact not General Motors pre owned certified.
So we called and called the dealer, no call back. Finally called Langley credit union and their vice president of lending got the used car manager ** to call us back. Also ** the delivery girl to call us also because she sold us paint sealant that never was put on the car. Her most professional response was "It's not my fault, what do you want ME TO DO ABOUT IT?" Well a $ 695.00 refund to start. As far as the car goes ** was very nice, offered to give a priority version of the GM certified warranty. I asked him to ask his boss to see if we could just pick out a different car. Ask no harm, no foul. I did mention we bought a 2014 in January, didn't I hum ok.
He said he would but I could trade the Camaro in, lose a few thousand dollars and get a different car even though it was their fault. Well still waiting for that call back. Hope I don't hold my breath. We have only put 100 miles on the car. If this is how they treat a 2nd time customer good luck first time ones. The complaint is currently on file with the Norfolk Better Business Bureau Virginia attorney general's office Virginia department of motor vehicle dealer enforcement and the federal trade commission.
NOVATO, CALIFORNIA -- My 2006 ZO6 Corvette shot a rod through the block killing the engine. I have owned the car since new and have had Chevy do all the maintenance including oil changes. My car only has 52K miles but the extended warranty ends at 50 K miles or 5 years. This is an 80 thousand dollar car that according to the corvette certified mechanic at Chevrolet, he believes the dry sump oil delivery system failed causing the engine to seize. After checking online this was a known problem to Chevy as they redesigned the dry sump in 2009 ZO6 models moving forward.
I have asked GM and Chevy to help offset the cost to put in a new engine and to date have been offered 15 % off of the full retail cost of the engine and labor at $150.00 per hour. This part shouldn't have failed and if there was a known problem which there was Chevy should have been diligent in checking out the system. I am not asking for a Free repair but a reasonable cost to repair as GM knew of a problem with this part and are only offering me a paltry sum off of a full retail mark up off the parts and labor.
After 900 miles in a Chevrolet Traverse, and halfway through my rental, I thought I'd share my impressions. We currently own a 2001 Yukon XL K1500 (4x4) and have long been fans of Chevy trucks. Overall, the Traverse does not disappoint. The kids (3) and wife really like the interior of the Traverse, and we all found it to have decent room. The compartment under the rear floor was very handy when going into national parks, using that to sequester our valuables and hide them from view.
Our longest single ride was about 200 miles, and the seats are very comfortable though the steering requires constant correction on the highway. I normally drive with my left arm on the arm rest and my right hand on the shifter (bad, bad habit, I know, but after about 800K miles, all I can say is it works). After several days of trips, my left hand is a bit tired from keeping the wheel a smidge to the right. It's a rental, so a previous renter could have tagged something, sure.
On the road, we regularly pushed around 9 over the limit, which is 70mph through most of areas in Kentucky and Tennessee we've been driving through. At that rate, we're seeing high 17s to low 18s, much lower than the EPA-rated 24mpg a front-wheel-drive Traverse is suggested to get. It's not far off from our non-cylinder-deactivating V8 Yukon (rated at nearly the same HP, by the way). The OBC reported gas mileage matches the numbers we're seeing when comparing gallons to miles. The speedometer reads 1mph low at 80 according to our GPS. 80 indicated is 81, just enough to get you that ticket.
The stereo is quite reasonable for a factory effort and no one had many complaints about the seats. My 14yr old girl did raise concerns that the center belts dug into her hips after that much seat time. Center seats are a bit narrow. Many formal reviews indicate 3 adults can sit in the middle row, I would disagree given the feedback from several people in the rear middle seat. I would say two adults and a pre-teen would fit. My very fit tri-athalon-winning sister spent 2 hours in the middle today and did shared my 14 year old's concerns about the middle seat of the middle row.
The rear seat access is very good, and the kids frequently argued over who got to sit in the back (at first it was the hot spot to be, later the less-desirable spot. Kid politics!). The rear seat folds in 2 parts. With luggage, the truck could seat 6. With luggage for a family of 5, junk food, iPods, video games, and other road-trip must-haves, 5 was just right. In the rain, the handling and performance was unchanged. It felt sure-footed and the wipers worked well, front and rear.
My wife is probably a good representation of an average car buyer. I, on the other hand, am not - I'm pretty picky and a bit assertive driving my cars. I'm more at home in a taut sports sedan or a healthy SUV than in a cushy Cadillac or Buick. In the curves of 54 in Tennessee, which would be a great motorcycle road, the Traverse did well for a crossover. A bit more body roll than I would have liked, but acceptable for this class of vehicle. The transmission and I, however, are having a love-hate relationship. I love that it's a 6 speed, I hate that it's clueless.
Add in cylinder deactivation and you have vehicle that can't seem to make up its mind as it turns off or turns on cylinders or unlocks or locks the torque converter. To my family, these shifts are imperceptible. To me, someone who's highly in tune with my ride, it's fingers on a chalkboard. After 150 miles, I stuck it in L, manually selected "5" and left it there for a while so I could get some respite from the constant changes. It feels like the transmission is hunting.
Again, no one else in the car really seemed to realize this was happening, and I'm pretty sure most drivers won't either. After all, how many drivers can tell one of the tires is low from driving the car? Two things my family did notice - when we go to pass someone on a 2-lane highway, the transmission will frequently shift from 6th to 4th, or worse, 3rd. The power is welcome, the lurch and neck snap from the shift to 3rd, not so much. It's hard to drive this car smoothly when applying power, tip-in is aggressive.
Additionally, when accelerating to pass someone, the car slows down when you hit the gas as it shifts into a lower gear, then accelerates, further exacerbating the neck-snapping sensation. I'm guessing it's friendlier to the transmission overall, but it's incredibly annoying to the passengers - and to the driver's who's expecting to go faster when the gas is depressed, not slower first. It's also taken me nearly 4 days to be able to leave a stop assertively without squealing the tires. Like when jumping into traffic. Try getting into traffic with an officer parked near you and see if your heart doesn't get pumping.
Add in that the drive-by-wire gas pedal changes its calibration when in reverse (the pedal becomes less responsive), and the Traverse requires some relearning and new skills. Overall, it's a nice vehicle. Gas mileage is really not much better than what we see in our Suburban, which is much better than many people expect. All I can say is sure you drive it through some city, and also check its highway manners on at least a 10 mile loop after its warmed up. If you like it there, you'll like it.
NEW YORK -- Been a loyal Chevy owner since 1972. Bought new in 2005 a Chevy 4500 crewcab,4 WD, Duromax, with all the bells and whistles. Been real happy with it, had no problems to speak of until last week. Brake sensors in rear keep going off. Had brakes checked and found to be alright (87,000 miles on truck). Then on trip to deliver two woodworking machines to GA. hear what sounds like metal rubbing on metal. Bring truck to a big truck mechanic, he checks brakes, axle bearings, universals and rear end fluid level. All are O.K., but he thinks it is the ring and pinion gear. He can't fix it for two weeks because he is backlogged in work right now.
He suggest that I bring it to a Chevy Dealer to get fixed. I call the closest one to where I am at but they don't work on the big trucks. I find one twenty five miles away in Reading, PA. and they tell me they can have a mechanic take a look at it on Tues. following the labor day weekend. I leave the truck with them and get a ride home to upstate NY. I call Chevy Corp. up on Tues. and inform them what has happened as it appears that my warranty has run out the previous month. They inform me that they won't do anything unless I have a Chevy dealer do the work. I inform them that the truck is at a Chevy dealer and then they tell me that I have to authorize the work.
The service people at the dealership tell me that it is the ring and pinion gears. The cost will be around $6000. They tell me not to worry as Chevy will help me out because it is so close to the warranty running out. I tell them to go ahead with the work. Bill is about $5600. The Chevy rep. comes and looks at the truck, informs me no help from Chevy, reason is your truck is overweight.
Nobody weighs the truck, nobody knows the weight of the machines, nobody knows the weight of the truck empty, nobody knows how much weight the truck can carry. He bases his decision on just looking at the truck and the lift at the dealer can't pick my truck up. My truck weighs about 8500LBS. empty. The dealer in NY where I get my truck serviced can't lift my truck up empty when I get my oil changed.
I will also mention that when I brought my truck to the dealer in PA. where the work was done one of the service techs tells me that they don't work on these big trucks and he also checks with the manager and returns with the same answer. I explained to them that I have already talked to a service tech. and was told to bring the truck in to this dealership for the repairs. I really feel that I am getting shafted by Chevy. I talked to several people who said at the least Chevy would pay for the parts and me the labor as the warranty has just ran out.
DETROIT, MICHIGAN -- I have a 2008 Chevy Aveo with 103,000 miles on it. The air conditioning compressor just failed on this car, and I have been told that replacing it will cost $850. The fact that such a vital and expensive part failed on a car that is only 4 years old and does not contain an extreme amount of miles is unbelievable and reflects the poor quality of Chevrolet.
Thus, I contacted Chevy about it, was assigned to a representative, and was told to take it into a dealership to have it diagnosed and then we would talk about them possibly providing cost assistance. The dealership said that the expansion valve needed to be replaced and that the compressor should work fine after that. I reported this to Chevy, who said that they would not provide any cost assistance because of the mileage on the car (by the way, they knew the mileage of the car BEFORE they told me to take it for a diagnosis, which I paid $40, and that they would determine afterward whether to provide cost assistance or not).
So I took the car back to my mechanic, who replaced the expansion valve. Guess what? The air still doesn't cool and, just as my mechanic had originally stated, the compressor has to be replaced. So, I am having to spend $850 to replace the compressor on a 4 year old car that Chevy deems as high mileage. Thus, Chevy is basically telling me that their parts go to crap around 100,000 miles, which is very early on vehicles these days. They could have at least paid for the part.
I have owned numerous vehicles and driven them until they stop. I have never had such an expensive part failure on a vehicle this young and at this amount of miles. Oh, and this is not an isolated incident. Strangely, my friend who owns a Chevrolet truck is going through the EXACT same issue with his compressor. This will be his second compressor in 4 months! This is my first and last Chevrolet purchase. So, beware potential Chevrolet buyers. If you want a vehicle that's in it for the duration, look elsewhere.
CRANBERRY TWP., PENNSYLVANIA -- $36k 2004 Chevy Express 73k only 1 winter. Purchased at Kenny Ross 2005. 36k mile, 3 year warranty. Has been in the shop 4 times for the same problem - brakes and leaky axle seals. Never repaired until we fixed it ourselves by replacing the calipers, rotors, and pads from rusted pistons. Over $16k in major repairs. Brakes, seals, rear end, transmission, computer, coil packs, exhaust gaskets, transmission lines and cables, blown hoses, abs, map sensors, mass air sensors, electrical failure, oil pan and other things that would take all day to right. Most repairs from missing bolts and rust and corrosion. We have towed this truck 14 times.
So how does Kenny Ross resolve the problems with the customer. Trade in for $5k and $36k out of my pocket for a new one. Mind you this truck cost us $52k with purchase and repairs for 73 thousand miles only to be valued at $5k. Their answer "We didn't build it" and a laugh.
We own 2 Cummins, Isuzu NPR, Nissan UD, Ford 7.3 with 287k miles, older GMC topkick and personal use a Land Rover Freelander, Porsche, Roush Mustang, Miata and a CJ5. This 2004 Chevy express has cost more maintenance than all our vehicle put together.
To those smug Kenny Ross salesmen, I am disappointed in this purchase and took a huge loss and you thought it was funny. My experience with you was cheap and sneaky. Not once did I feel you cared about the problems with this vehicle. To me, choosing Kenny Ross was a mistake that will not happen again. My whole experience felt crooked and dishonest with the warranty but mostly with the salesmen. The truck was traded in for $8600 and I am happy to say we replaced it with a Nissan UD.
To all the people who feel that in their opinion GM or Chevy has treated you unfairly, I understand your grief. I am a recent college graduate who had the opportunity to buy a Chevy through the GM College you program. After going through the process of becoming a member of that program, it did not lower the cost of the vehicle I wanted to purchase. This is because they assume that you are dumb and are paying MSRP for the vehicle. I was offered straight out from my dealer an invoice price. So Chevy marketing told me that I must be a good negotiator and that the college student program assumes you to be the type of person who does not negotiate.
I find this practice of saying you will give students a discount and then saying it does not apply to a person who negotiates unfair. So if you negotiate for any Chevy on the lot and get your best deal offered to you then tell them you are eligible for the student discount it may not save you money. A promotional offer/ incentive in my opinion is one that you can use regardless of what a person agrees to pay for a product. This was a major let down to me and resulted in a no sale because Chevy would not resolve this issue.
Secondly I am a GM card holder with a lot of GM card money earned. I thought it was unfair to give someone with 600 dollars in earnings an extra 600 or even 1400 in cash towards a new truck but to tell someone who earned 2000 in points that they would give you nothing and not let you spend more than 2000 points. If you think these types of things are fair, then you are the ideal GM customer. Written by a guy who owned Four GM cars in 2011.
After reading other reviews on this site, I have to say I'm not only appalled, but frightened for the safety of myself and my 5 year old daughter with continued use of our only vehicle, which is a '98 Chevy Lumina. I was involved in a thankfully non-injury accident the first week of February 2010, where I was stopped at a stop sign and a vehicle turning into the parking lot I was waiting to exit hit a patch of slushy ice/snow mixture and slammed into my driver's side door at approx. 25 mph (she didn't slow enough for the turn anyway, but moot point).
Thankfully, neither of us was injured, but I found it extremely worrisome that not only did MY airbag not deploy, but neither did the passenger side airbag. One defective airbag, I can understand as a one-off incident, but with BOTH failing to deploy, I'm less inclined to attribute to happenstance, and more as shoddy workmanship by the manufacturer. I'm honestly wondering if I truly HAVE airbags at this point; after all, I've never seen them, and they didn't deploy when they should have. It's entirely possible that I've got nothing but empty space in my steering wheel and dash.
If not, I might as well have empty space, for all the good it's doing me. Then, I get online to research possible reasons for them not to deploy (i.e. Does it have to be a certain speed of impact, or triggered by head-on or rear collision only, etc) and I find this site, where not only are the NUMEROUS defects listed with the same car I've got, but that I'm not the only one who had the EXACT SAME PROBLEM with the airbags. And, apparently, the airbags are just crap all around, because there are a few people listed here who had them popping out for no reason whatsoever.
All I can say is that first chance I get, I'm going back to Honda Accord. I'd much rather spend $300-$500 every two years on CV joints and outer tie rods than not have working airbags or other equally dangerous defects. Made In America was SUPPOSED to be a good thing, but evidently... not so much.
I live in New Orleans, Louisiana and after I experienced problems with my car after hurricane Katrina I purchased a 05 Chevrolet cobalt in November of 2005 from a certified used car dealership. I did a Carfax report on the car and nothing came back on the car. I purchased an extended warranty for my car as well. Within the first month it started when I needed my headlights pushed up and my air conditioner was leaking all over the floor.
When I brought my car to the dealership the front desk people came to inspect the problems and informed me that my car had been wrecked in the front that my warranty was now void! Not to mention that I had to bring it 5 hours away from my house b/c all of the New Orleans dealerships were out of commission or I would have to wait 2 to 3 months. The dealership told me they could not do it unless I wanted to pay for it. I contacted the owner of the dealership and basically threatened to call all local news stations and he fixed the problem.
About 2 months later I was commuting from Jackson, Mississippi to New Orleans weekly, and my cruise control stopped working and the wheels began shaking very badly on my way back to New Orleans. I took it to the dealership I purchased it from. They told me while they had it they would fix a recall with the headliner. So I go to pick it up and everything worked fine. 2 days later I realized on my way back to Mississippi that the cruise control would not work at all on the interstate, only on highways.
The dealership made me wait 2 months to bring it back in and gave me a line of crap about my warranty not covering it and the part I needed replaced would be an absurd amount of money. About 6 months my automatic door locks stopped working and would only work when used with my alarm remote. A few days after that my driver side door would not open. 2 months later my car locks started going crazy and locking and unlocking themselves when the car was on and off. A few months ago my unlock button on my alarm remote stopped working.
I changed out the battery but it still did not work. Now here I am driving down the street and I hear beeping and see that my car is telling me that the power steering is completely out. Imagine that.. just when you wonder how could it get worse. Me and my husband are looking for another car for him and I will NEVER buy another Chevrolet or American made car again! EVER!! I can honestly say that I HATE CHEVROLET!
Have you forgot what the build was supposed to be modeled after? The car was designed to rival the Mustang that was modeled after there "hot rod" 60's era. The 2010 was supposed to be modeled after the same era, the only era that even looked half way decent. I have been a mechanic for over 10 years and been working on cars since I was 7 in the back yard. Currently have my own shop and struggling along like the rest of the city. I would usually start talking about Fords now and say how I like them so much because they keep me in business, being that if I only worked on them they would keep me busy enough to keep my doors open.
Oh I specialize in transmissions not writing letters, but I saw the new Camaro coming out of retirement on a commercial tonight 4/24/09. Hey I might need a new shop soon tell the GM manufactures to call me before they fold up I might be looking to buy, if they don't suck the life out of their business before it folds up. I'm highly depressed when I look at this car and even more so when I think of the poor quality that went into making this car. Because judging by past experiences the quality of all domestic cars has gone way, way, way down. And keeps plummeting.
I am and have always been a Chevy man but when asked what is a good car to own or buy I am ashamed to say "buy a foreign car". Toyota is one of the best on the market, Honda is way up there to the Corolla, Camry, Civic, Accord, Tundra. Man Chevy, Ford and of course Dodge can't even touch those cars. Speaking of that the 2010 Chevy Camaro looks like a Nissan Sentra on crack. I mean really what was wrong with the first 30 designs? They just kept getting worse and worse now it's not even something I want to buy. I'll go buy a new tundra and recommend everyone I come across to do the same.
People wonder why we mechanics buy a 200 dollar car, fix it and drive it. Because it's better quality that way -- and at least it works for once. Oh and yes I own several Chevys everything from a 67 Camaro to a 95 s10 and even a 90 Suburban. Some of the cars I feel they got right, the 67 because it's a sexy ass hotrod, the suburban because it's a huge freaking tank and the 2.2 S 10 because it's a gas saver and it's a truck. I call it mighty mouse because I put it through hell and it takes it and asks for more. But try to buy something like that new. Good luck, better buy from overseas I'm telling you, you'll be a whole lot more happy.


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NEW ORLEANS — This was one interview that Kevin Love was required to do, what with this being the player parade otherwise known as NBA All-Star Weekend and all.
So the Minnesota Timberwolves star took his seat at his personal podium inside the Hyatt hotel on Friday and proceeded to begrudgingly take part, well aware that it was only a matter of time before the media members on hand would ask about the free agency topic that he wishes would go away. The three-time All-Star can't opt out of his contract for another 17 months, but his story will be front and center from now until then because this is the way of the NBA.
There are only so many players who get general managers the league over excited, and nothing emboldens them like a star who isn't sure whether he wants to stay or go. There were reminders of that reality all over the room on Friday — Chris Paul, the Los Angeles Clippers point guard who was making his New Orleans return three years after forcing his way West; Dwight Howard, who wanted off the Orlando Magic and has found happiness again with the Houston Rockets after his one season with the Los Angeles Lakers; Carmelo Anthony, the New York Knicks small forward who starred in his own "Melo-drama" when he pushed his way off the Denver Nuggets and is on the verge of free agency yet again. The list grows longer by the year, and Love's turn — like it or not — is nearing.
CARMELO: Thoughts on trade, smaller deal
JERSEYS: Not everyone sold on sleeves yet
Once likely free agent-to-be LeBron James decides this summer what his next chapter will entail, teams from the Lakers to the Knicks and nearly every front office in between will look to Love as a possible savior. Add in the fact that his Timberwolves team that looked so promising early on is on track to miss for the playoffs for the sixth time in six tries since Love came to town, and it's the perfect storm of projecting that he would rather avoid altogether.
Every sound byte becomes a story, every insinuation by him a declaration by them.
"If I say that I like Charlotte, or I say, 'Oh yeah, Charlotte's a great city; I love spending some time there,' then all of a sudden I'm going to Charlotte," Love said while — memo to Bobcats fans — picking a hypothetical, not to mention unlikely, example. "Anything I say is going to be a misconception or be sort of a headline. To me, it's silly because, yeah sure, it's brought up, it crosses my mind. But in a way I just try to put that aside. It's just a question that's always going to be brought up. Really, I would love to not talk about it and focus on winning right now with the team I'm on."
LOVE: He really, really hates Valentine's Day
SMOOTHIE KING: Greek rook now loves them
And therein lies the far more relevant question: Will the T'wolves (25-28) right their ship in time to quiet all the questions about Love's future? That's the cure to what ails first-year team President Flip Saunders and coach Rick Adelman, but their prescription is clearly not being honored at the moment.
Minnesota, which lost six of their last eight games coming into the break, has fallen six games out of playoff position in the brutal Western Conference. Meanwhile, center Nikola Pekovic has missed the last nine games with a bursitis problem in his right ankle and shooting guard Kevin Martin has missed the last three games with a broken left thumb. It's not clear when either player will return, but Love — who is already carrying the heaviest of loads while averaging 25.8 points and 13.2 rebounds per game — looks destined for another disappointing team finish.
"It's tough when you get bit by that injury bug," he said. "I feel like the last three years, it was déjà vu. ... I think in order to get our belief system up that we have to have all of our guys. We've lost some close games, but if we can win those same close games in this last 30, then we're going to be a lot better off."
VIDEO: What you can't miss this All-Star Weekend
Dan Fogarty breaks down all you need to know. USA TODAY Sports
AGE LIMIT: Cuban backs Silver on increase
Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is in Silver's corner when it comes to the new commissioner's pitch to raise the league's minimum age to 20. When asked by USA TODAY Sports via e-mail where he stood on the issue, he replied regarding the age, "That's too young."
Silver acknowledged in an interview with USA TODAY Sports that NBA owners had financial gain as part of their motivation, but he said that wasn't all there was.
"We believe the additional year of maturity would be meaningful," Silver said. "And increasingly, I've been told by many NBA coaches that one of the issues with the younger guys coming into the league is they've never had an opportunity to lead."
CARMELO-DRAMA: He's not saying much, yet
Anthony didn't offer any hints about his forthcoming free agency plans (other than to reiterate his plans to opt out), but he did indicate that the Knicks' ability to convince him that they have a master plan in the works after the season will be a key factor.
"I can't sit here and say this is my last game, All-Star Game as a New York Knick," Anthony said when asked if he would be wearing a different jersey a year from now. "I would be shooting myself in the foot if I say that."
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OH yeah i do that a lot LOL but yeah i think that and i tried talking to two people at once and it did not work to well but either way i get what you mean now.
^ lol, i feel responsible for all this since i posted that pic, i just thought it was interestin.
Anyway, you can't really be sure until its explained, and im eagerly anticipating the appearence of dr.vegapunk
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&se...apunk#/d2ywg5v dr.V?
I just catch up with One Piece after not seeing it for like five years. I got interested in Cody character when I saw that he can use Haki. I was wondering if their were any threads created for Cody and what would be his rank after two years of training?
it is the marines thread and it is for any thing to having to do with the marine and coby and his rank would fall in to that category
Was anyone else disappointing with the great-white shark fishman? he looked fatter then I'd like, I mean looking at Arlong, then these other shark fishmen, he looks alot more human like. I understand Oda drew Arlong almost 10yrs ago still I was hoping fishmen would look more like men then they do in fishman island.
this sounds like a chapter thread thing but ill answer it for you any way
one arlong was a sawshark fish man
not a big beefy shark but lean and muscular like arlong was
hodi jones is a great white
they are BIG beefy animals and hodi jone was not really fat he was like a great white shark big and beefy i was ok with his look because i thought it was appropriate as for what kind of fish man he was
and he probably has more raw power than arlong did due to what kind of fish men they are.


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By PATSY STODDARDEditor
Ferron celebrated Peach Days with a variety of activities during the week. Earlier in the month the town crowned new Peach Days royalty. Whitney Withers is the new Miss Peach Days. The town held a historical walking tour on Tuesday. The exhibits were brought to the city hall and judged on Wednesday. A talent show and dessert contest were held on this evening. The Peach Days bike ride was held on Thursday evening. Friday was the free dinner at the rodeo grounds. A walk away from drugs was sponsored by the governing youth council and the entry fee money went towards drug prevention. Fireworks were held that night at Millsite Reservoir.
Saturday started early with a program at the Field of Flags. A fun run and breakfast in the park cooked by the fire department were part of the early bird activities. The parade began at 10 a.m. Games and lunch in the park for families began after the parade. The soap box derby ran at noon. The horse races and demolition derby were held at the fair grounds. A dance rounded out the day of fun.
A large crowd gathered for the Field of Flags patriotic program. More than 300 flags were on display in the church park on State Street. The welcome was given by Mayor JoAnn Behling. Dennis Worwood gave the opening prayer. The posting of the colors was performed by the American Legion Unit #42. The legion gave a 21 gun salute and TAPS was played by Clawson Mayor Mandy Price. The audience recited the pledge of allegiance led by Mayor Behling. The audience observed a moment of silence for those who have lost their lives in the Armed Forces and for those who have served and are currently serving our nation. The audience also remembered those who lost their lives in the tragedy on September 11, 2001.
Kent Petersen recited the Ragged Old Flag. Al Shakespaere sang God Bless the USA. The ladies of the American Legion Auxiliary folded the American flag and told what each fold of the flag represents. The mens choir made up of Lance Wright, Al Shakespaere, Mark Luce and Hans Baantjer sang Gold Bless America and the National Anthem. The closing prayer was given by Pastor Tim Lacock. After the program the audience wandered among the many flags and many took pictures of the sight.
The meaning of the folds of the flag: The first fold of our flag is a symbol of life. The second fold is a symbol of our belief in the eternal life.
The third fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veteran departing our ranks who gave a portion of life for the defense of our country to attain a peace throughout the world.
The fourth fold represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in times of war for His divine guidance.
The fifth fold is a tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong."
The sixth fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
The seventh fold is a tribute to our Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that we protect our country and our flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of our republic.
The eighth fold is a tribute to the one who entered in to the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day, and to honor mother, for whom it flies on Mother's Day.
The ninth fold is a tribute to womanhood; for it has been through their faith, love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great have been molded. The tenth fold is a tribute to father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of our country since they were first born.
The eleventh fold, in the eyes of a Hebrew citizen, represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon, and glorifies, in their eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The twelfth fold, in the eyes of a Christian citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost.
When the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost, reminding us of our national motto, "In God we Trust."
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whoaaaaa :O naruto is a beast! he's much better and experienced with his new kyuubi cloak now, to the point where he can do normal rasengans(but can he do the bijuu bomb?).. and the hachibi only warned naruto not to use kage bunshinm which naruto responded by that it doesn't matter because he has alot of chakra himself so he can use multiple clones. which hachibi simply responded not to underestimate the kyuubi, i don't think he literally meant, "use one shadow clone and you DIE!" the illustration was for visual purposes only and therefore over-exaggerated lol...
i am also wondering how the fuck is sasuke going to be able to match up to naruto with EMS!?!? the EMS is pretty hyped so it must be something great.. if sasuke gained madara's phasing ability, i guess that will give him a certain immunity with naruto's assaults.. but that's assuming madara's phasing ability has anything to do with his EMS, or if sasuke would even gain the same ability with his EMS... any thoughts?
also, what about when naruto gets his NEXT upgrade which will involve merging the kyuubi cloak with sage-chakra o.O WTF would sasuke do then; gain the eyes of the elder son himself!? :O
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In researching a Civil War veteran named Otto Tischer, I came across the following letter in his Pension file. The Bureau of Pensions was having difficulty locating some of his service records, so he wrote a letter of explanation:
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In further explanation, will say that at the first Alphabetical Roll Call at Trenton, New Jersey, the name of Otto Fischer was called three (3) times, I did not answer as there were some "Bounty Jumpers"
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At the recent Huntington City Council meeting, the council approved a business license for Johnson Diesel Service. This business is presently operating in a residential area and is now moving to an industrial area at 810 North 400 East. Owner Don Johnson was present at the meeting and stated he has met all conditions and has been to the planning and zoning commission.
Jim Moore from Precis Communications was present to answer any questions concerning the purchase by Emery Telcom. Mayor Hilary Gordon handed out letters concerning the purchase explaining the progress. Emery Telcom has plans to cover and document as many public events as possible.
Moore said, "Precis has reached an agreement with Emery Telcom for the purchase of their assets. Now, Precis is requesting a release from the franchise agreement with Huntington City. The finalization of the purchase should be completed by Jan. 30, 2009. Emery Telcom will have local interest channels after the purchase." The council approved the termination of the franchise agreement.
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Skip to comments.Robert Blakey: The Mafia Is Most Likely Culprit Behind Kennedy Assassination
Posted on 11/24/2012 7:28:16 AM PST by AtlasStalled
Forty-nine years after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy former mob buster Robert Blakey contends the most likely explanation from the available evidence is that the Mafia was responsible as reported by Tovin Lapan for the Las Vegas Sun:
"I think the mob set Oswald up as a patsy. It's not that I think (Oswald) didn't shoot (Kennedy), but that I think he was set up so (investigators) would focus on the Cuban connections (and not the mob). Did the mob do it? I don't know for sure, but it explains more of the evidence than anything else."
Blakey, currently a law professor at the Notre Dame Law School, is the author of The Plot To Kill The President which first set forth the case that the Mafia got away with assassinating Kennedy as reported by David Talbot for Salon:
"[Blakey] would emerge as the Warren Report's most authoritative critic and a firm believer that Kennedy had died as the result of a conspiracy, masterminded by [New Orleans Godfather Carlos] Marcello and his Mafia ally, Santo Trafficante, the Florida godfather who had been driven out of the lucrative Havana casino business by Castro and who had been recruited in the CIA plot to kill the Cuban leader."
Historians increasingly have embraced Blakey's analysis, and in 2008 Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann published Legacy of Secrecy in which they rather conclusively establish the mob's responsibility for the hit against the President.
Leonardo DiCaprio will star in and produce the film adaptation of Legacy of Secrecy in which "DiCaprio will play FBI informant Jack Van Laningham, who befriends the southern mafia leader, Carlos Marcello, a man the book fingers as the potential mastermind of the 1963 murder (he reportedly even confessed involvement)" as reported by Terri Schwartz for MTV.
With regard to Marcello's confession to Laningham regarding the Kennedy assassination, in reviewing Legacy of Secrecy for the Herald Sun James Campbell wrote the following:
The strongest evidence the authors produce is Marcello's confession to an FBI informant in the 1980s. "The FBI had managed to get an informant inside Marcello's cell and Marcello trusted this guy," Waldron said. According to a 1985 memo quoted in the book, the informant told the FBI: "On December 15, 1985, he (the informant) was in the company of Carlos Marcello and another inmate at the Federal Correctional Institute, Texarkana, Texas, engaged in conversation. Carlos Marcello discussed his intense dislike of former President John Kennedy as he often did. Unlike other such tirades against Kennedy, however, on this occasion Carlos Marcello said, referring to President Kennedy, 'Yeah, I had the son of bitch killed. I'm glad I did it. I'm sorry I couldn't have done it myself.'"
Anytime some mob apologist delusionally waxes romantic about how patriotic the Mafia is, just remember that the boys likely were the ones who whacked the President. Now how patriotic was that?
The best information I have ever seen on JFK is the series called, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy."
Of course the Mob did it. Rumrunner Joe went to the Chicago mob to fix the election. The Mob gave JFK Chicago which gave him Illinois which gave him the election. Naturally they thought this should give them some pull with the White House. Problem was Joe Kennedy had a stroke and never told his boys what he had done. When JFK appointd brother Bobby Attorney General and made prosecuting the Mafia Job Number One, the good fellas in Chicago were rightfully pissed off. PO'd enough to have Kennedy whacked for double crossing them and generally being a jerk.
One thing for sure, the only group that could have kept their mouths shut all this time would be the mob.
I agree. Great series. You cannot believe this was not a conspiracy.
Every visit to Dalls is never complete without a "moment of silence" drive-by down Elm St. Almost 50 years later and it was the perfect crime. More than JFK died that day. The bond between the government and we citizens was murdered as well.
Mafia in connection with LBJ.
I still think that Kennedy dared to have put in circulation over 200 million dollars of USA dollars which could be used in place of the Fed Reserve notes had some connection to his assassination. The Fed 'notes' of indebtedness which we call 'dollars' are in fact owned by international banking interests. The stage for this takeover was set under POTUSA Wilson with the help of the European big money controllers and aided and abetted by USA government people. Kennedy could not be allowed to up set their money cart.
Didn't JFK sign a bill or order to audit the FED a month before?
I always thought about that, that if the Mafia didn't kill JFK then it would be very surprising to say the least considering how the Kennedys screwed them over after they helped JFK get elected. I mean do people honestly think the mob was like "Oh it's the Kennedys, let's forgeddabowdit"?? I don't think so. I think they also had Bobby wacked. The Kennedys were arrogant as all hell, still are, and that's why there are so many dead ones. They always seem to over-estimate themselves.
Posner's book is sooooo silly....so full of holes...he sets out to prove that Oswald acted alone...a man with no motive to kill the president he told many was "the best"...Posner simply ignores evidence that does not fit his theory and whitewashes other evidence.
All one needs to know about the Kennedy assassination is that the "single bullet" theory was invented by....Arlen Spector...enough said?
Vincent Bugliosi studied this case for more than 20 years... he put the conspiracy theories to the test and none of them added up. His book, "Reclaiming History" debunked them all.
But hey... conspiracies are fun.. they`re so much more interesting than the truth. Plus, they go on forever.
Vinnie also wrote a book saying that George W. Bush should be prosecuted for the first degree murder of US soldiers.
Just sayin'...
Opinions are still changing about details in the Lincoln assassination. So I'm sure people will be talking about Kennedy's long after I'm gone.
The most startling thing to me is that nearly a half century has passed since that fateful day...........Where on earth did those years go?
The mob were furious that their old ally's sons were going after them...they stole Illinois for JFK in '60 and helped out in the West Virginia primary delivering brown bags of cash to county officials to fix that vote...Humphrey, a Protestant, was slaughted by Kennedy, a Catholic, in W. VA, a state that was 90% Protestant...and ignorant...it had one of the lowest rates of education in the union at that time.
Of course the mob hit him...this has been general knowledge for many years...just don't tell the msm...but they had to have the help of LBJ. They had to know there would be no serious investigation afterwards.
Johnson and the mob hated the Kennedys.
JFK was having an affair with a communist spy. The story was about to come out. Kennedy was killed in Texas, his VPs home state. Oswald gets gunned down on tv by a guy who is going to die. The Democrats killed their own President.
The mafia did it, yet the files remain sealed.
This one?
You are completely wrong...read SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED...can't think of the author right now...he explains that scores of people with knowledge have talked since the assassination...Bugalosi (sp?) ignores them all.
Not this sh*t again...
Please... "general knowledge" without a shred of evidence.
Would the mob have complete dossiers on people, ready to be turned over the minute they were needed?\
If not, who would?
Oh, mister mafia man... over here...
C`mon...people seeking attention can talk all they want... where..again.. is the evidence?
Posner is a complete fool..or worse...a liar.
Bingo! The case is closed, and rightly so.
My late wife's theory was that Maryln Monroe's real father ranked high in the mafia hierarchy. The mod blamed Kennedy for her death and he paid for killing her with his life. This makes it a great twofer conspiracy.
Bugliousi is another fool. He is simply very wrong and does not deal with the real evidence competently. His latest book is all about debunking the existence of God..another lie. How can you trust him? Good lord.
The guy who put it together was British and originally wanted to just do a one hour presentation. Instead, he chased down so many leads that it ended up becoming a series. He demonstrated that the Mafia did the job and that Oswald was indeed a patsy.
It answered all of my questions.
My head hurts.
Show time produced a movie about joe bonanno. After the movie there was an interview with the old don.
He said Giancarlo ordered the hit and gave location of the shooters.
An old mans glorified story or the truth?
Never saw the movie or interview repeated.
It certainly took him long enough to come around to this — years ago, Blakey identified the precipitating moment in the decision to assassinate JFK, which was RFK's rough arrest and deportation of Carlos Marcello and dumping him off in a Central American jungle. Weird coincidence that RFK was also assassinated, huh?
Thanks AtlasStalled.
Giancano. Damn autotext
Oswald murdered Kennedy with an entirely capable Italian military surplus rifle. It was a dead simple shooting feat for Oswald, combining his equipment and his USMC military marksmanship.
There's nothing else to the story.
I would add that any planner would have to know about the open car. Was Oswald or others just lucky. In killing Kennedy I think they said Kennedy told the ss the day before, no top. How could anyone rely on that?
Everybody should know by now that the Magic Bullet killed Kennedy and then it went on to fame by getting somebody a Senate seat from Pennsylvania.
I tend to agree. And then we lost Bobby. Yup...sounds right.
Marcello allegedly told Frank Ragano, his lawyer of many years, that he had JFK killed to get back at Bobby Kennedy for deporting him to Guatamala but he also lamented that he should have gone after Bobby, not Jack.
When I visited Dallas, I went to the Museum and looked through the window to the little "x" on the street. My first comment was how easy a shot this was. I'm no marksman but I am confident I could have made the shot.
And the Zero regime most likely
The Leftists media and academia writing history who were alive at the time and/or alive today will NEVER reach a conclusion that a commie conspiracy was responsible for the death of President Kennedy.....NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.
The Left will go to great lengths to prove theories that the Mafia or other entities conspired to do the deed. It will not involve Moscow or Castro in the mix.
It just so happened that unstable, attention-seeking Oswald, by chance a communist sympathizer, decided to assassinate JFK and go down in history as a hero to some and a scoundrel to others....but he WOULD get royally noticed in either case. He was a lone-wolf psycho just like the guy that popped John Lennon.
The Mafia generally and historically won't get involved in conspiracies to take out presidents, popes or policemen by assassination no matter the provocation because they never want to call attention and the spotlight to themselves in this manner. They mostly stick to killing each other.
Correction. Ragano said that Santo Trafficante said this about Marcello. It should also be noted that the FBI had notice of an assassination plot on Kennedy a few days earlier in Miami.
I will say this about Oswald - he was involved and the proof is that he left his wedding ring and almost all his money on the dresser for his wife Marina before going off to the Book Depository building. An innocent man would not have done that.
Beyond this, it's all speculation.
It looks like it might be true—The Mob invented the "Double Hit" Oswald kills the President or is part of the plot. A second man—with terminal cancer—kills Oswald-—then dies. All the lose ends tied up in a nice bundle. I wonder why? Some say it because the Kennedy brothers killed Maryln Monroe (because she had JFK's baby aborted and was a bout to go public with it). Or it could be payback for letting Cuba go Communist. Next big mystery—how RFK was killed?
now dog-gone it just the other night some guy on Coast to Coast said it was the crazy vietnamese lady behind it all.
I think he was killed by a Commie who had once defected to the USSR.
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For the max dmg of puppet's ulti, won't you need to count additional damage auras and spells to it? Like Revenant's Q, or Andromeda's damage aura, Wolf Commander's damage aura, Empath's As One, Ophelia's Nature's Wrath, or additional damage from items like Abyssal Skull? It's armor reduced by Sol's Bulwark, Shieldbreaker, Daemonic Breastplate and capping -armor with other ways (Pestilence ulti).
Additional questions: max damage of Mana Rift? Maximal amount of life gained on a single autoattack?
That would mean that max puppet dmg is (considering dmg is signed integer) and devourer can get so many charges:
I guess the damage is a unsigned short value not a normal 32bit integer value.
what is mathematically the best item progression for a 60 minute game with drunken master with 300gpm CONSTANT throughout the game starting with 603 gold using STRICTLY damage (no dooms)?
i'd probably assume that drunken master attacks every single time his attack is off cooldown and calculate that total damage with different item progressions and tell me which results in best total damage (you can sell items and stuff nbd).
thanks brah.
I noticed we're using kind of different equations so I wouldn't be surprised if I have missed something, beacause I got slightly different values using my method for 20armor/5.5magic armor (283) too. However it's sometimes hard to see my own errors.
Also I didn't plot anything which isn't as stylish
You're probably doing it the right way.
Anyways, here goes!
Variables and some assumptions
- PC=Physical Coefficient (from armor usually OR flat damage reducing abilities like SW's Dissipate or Armadon's Armordillo)
- PA=Physical armor
- x=int (including int from passive, items, etc)
- 50 = starting damage(average)
- 50+62 = starting damage + Harkon's damage
- Harkon's int = 35
- Harkon's Raw Damage = 27
- 21 = starting int
- MC=Magic coefficient (from magic armor usually OR flat damage reducing abilities SW's Dissipate or Armadon's Armordillo)
- MA=Magic armor
- D= damage from abilities or items (NOT FROM STATS)
- PC=(1-armor reduction value)
- MC=(1-magic armor reduction value)
- OR=(Other reductions (Armodillo etc...)
- B= Block value (average)
Not taking immunities into consideration, if someone goes magic immune or physical immune I hope you can decide what's better for yourself.
Both sides of the equation has Harkon's equipped and possibly stat items with no + damage component (I'm thinking that switching modifier based on situation is what you do)
- PC= 1-((0.06*PA/(1+0.06*PA))*(OR)) if armor is positive
- PC= 1-(0.94^(-PA) -1) if armor is negative, unsure on how OR would affect negative armor.
- MC= 1-((0.06*MA/(1+0.06*MA))*(OR)) if magic armor is positive
- MC= 1-(0.94^(-MA) -1) if magic armor is negative, unsure on how OR would affect negative magic armor.
Equation used:
Equation (1)
PC(x+50+62+D-B) + 0.6(x+21+35) = MC(x+50+62+D)
Which basically are the formulas for Master's Incantation + Physical damage (left side)
Damage = PC(x+50+62+D-B) + 0.6(x+21+35)
along with Harkon's Blade damage formula (right side)
Damage = MC(x+50+62+D)
USING EQUATION (1) on the site http://www.wolframalpha.com will help you calculate the value x if you enter the MC, PC, B and D values.
Two lines will be plotted, one for Harkon's and one for Masters Incantation+auto attack. Where the lines intersect the required +int will be show where the attacks are equal.
MC values and PC values and detailes presented in the spoiler below.
(only for armor now, NOT abilities even if they are part of the real MC value)
PC= 1-((0.06*PA/(1+0.06*PA))*(OR)) if armor is positive
PC= 1-(0.94^(-PA) -1) if armor is negative, unsure on how OR would affect negative armor.
MC is more limited because of the limited supply of magic armor manipulating items and abilities
Max magic armor reduction is 4+4+4+6+5+5.5=28.5
(++++:HarkonsBlade:+ :VoidTalisman: (on the target ofc))
Meaning minimum temporary magic armor is 5.5-28.5 = -23 magic armor
Max magic armor is 5.5+10+37
Arachna using Carapace while Magebane used blink nearby grants 32+5=37 magic armor, never happens, but gotta take that into consideration I guess.
Min "permanent" ~ 1-0.48 = 0.52 (15.5 magic armor, no magebane nearby)
Max "permanent" = 1 (spellshards+Harkon's without help from hero with -MA)
Harkon's only means roughly a MC of 0.975 or so. Almost true damage that is if the target is not wearing any vestments or similar.
MC= 1-((0.06*MA/(1+0.06*MA))*(OR)) if armor is positive
MC= 1-(0.94^(-MA) -1) if magic armor is negative, unsure on how OR would affect negative magic armor.
As one realize, -armor debuffs favours Masters Incantation (PC is increased)
+damage items highly favours Harkon's in most "real" cases.
Some item experiments including +stat items, Savage Mace and Riftshards rank 4
D=0 (no damage items except Harkon's, just stat items)
MA = 5.5 MC will be ~0.975
PA = 17 means PC will be ~0.5
0.5(x+112) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112) (equation (1))
x=156 (INCLUDING STATS FROM ITEMS)
Remember the 35+damage from the proc is reduced by physical armor hence why it's not added to the equation as it contributes equally on both sides.
0.5(x+112+88) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112+88)
x= 491
Seriously this made me terrified, please correct any math fails I might have done. Apparently just one raw damage item screws things up for Masters Incantation big time.
Riftshards rank 4 (no savage mace) damage multiplier 1.48=(1+(0.2*2.4))
LOL, basically Master's incantation can't beat Riftshards + Harkon's unless agic immunity happens.
Changing the PC in favour of Master's Incantation
PC= 0.6 (they have rougly 11 armor)
Only stat items:
0.6(x+112) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112)
x= 37
Savage Mace:
0.6(x+112+88) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112+88)
Riftshards rank 4
0.6(x+112+75)*1.48 + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112+75)*1.48
Again, allow me to LOL at Riftshards+Harkon's power.
Let's say we have pesti on our team!
PC= 0.8 (rougly 4 armor)
Stat items =
0.8(x+112) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112)
x=-33. Master's incantation wins in every scenario with these MC/PC conditions
Savage Mace
0.8(x+112+88) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112+88)
Master's Incantation wins if 3 int. lal
Riftshards rank 4
0.8(x+112+75)*1.48 + 0.6(x+56) = 0.975(x+112+75)*1.48
x= 43
Let's say everyone gets vestments on the other team when they discover you've got your fancy Harkon's Blade
MC from ~0.975 to ~0.745
PC is normal at 17 armor which is around 0.5
Stat items
0.5(x+112) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.745(x+112)
x=-17 in favour of Master's INcantation
Savage Mace
Riftshards rank 4
MIN and MAX PC/MC values just for lolz
MIN PC and MC
You're choosing between attacking Arachna with Carapace and Magebane buff ready, or attacking a fully leveled pebbles with DS ulti, Daemonic Breastplate, and Four frostfield plates and for some reason is extremely lucky with Helm of the Black Legion
Stats only
0.25(x+50+62-40) + 0.6(x+21+35) = 0.311(x+50+62)
x-31 int. Master's INcantation better
Savage Mace (no block this time)
0.25(x+112+88) + 0.6(x+56) = 0.311(x+112+88)
x= -32int
Riftshards (no block)
0.25(x+112+75-)*1.48 + 0.6(x+56) = 0.311(x+112+75)*1.48
If both MC and PC are reduced drastically Master's INcantation wins, but that's pretty obvious.
As Max(PC) > Max(MC) same thing goes with the extreme max values of MC and PC
The most extreme case of int needed
Min(PC) vs Max (MC) and high d + crit.
Stats only
0.25(x+50+62) + 0.6(x+21+35) = 1.759(x+50+62)
x=-148 meaning you'd need -148int in order to not heal (I guess?) your opponent as much as you would otherwise. But this is impossible.
Well, the MC and PC values mostly determine which orb is best in terms of damage.
- High PC (Low Armor) AND/OR Low MC (Moderate to high Magic Armor) favours Master's Incantation
- High MC and low PC => Favours Harkon's Blade.
- Abilities such as SW's passive which reduces both MC and PC values generally favours Master's Incantation because the true damage part ignores reductions.
- If MC = PC Master's Incantation is always best.
- +Damage items highly favours Harkon's Blade in most "real" situations.
- Crit favours Harkon's Blade in most cases because the +damage from Master's Incantation can't crit. Only time it favours Master's Incantation is when PC > MC
- Immunities means MC or PC gets to 0 (depending on immunity)
Again, please correct any wrongs I might have done. I know there must be some flaw somewhere I just can't find it.
Just thought it would be fun :P Apologies if it's considered OffTopic or whatever.
^your analysis is fine.
The difference is that my "X" for int is the total displayed int, not additional int from items and the passive. This is why my base damage is 29 btw.
Damage items only really mess up Master's Incantation because you were using 5.5 magic armor. Once Harkon's is applied it reduces that to 0.5... which is almost true damage. Applying true damage to all pre-existing damage is better than adding 60% of int only true damage. Armor and EHP ftw.
I also did not include any other damage sources. You went into far more detail (impressive). My intent for this thread is specific hypothetical situations. That way I can be quick with novelty responses.
Nice work.
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And your point about the magic armor is what makes the item so effective, together with the fact that one can only wear one +magic armor item effectively which makes the damage reduction of Harkon's limited. Nowadays most heroes will pick up a pair of vestments unless they are a support with low income.
Sure there is magic immunity but that only lasts for so long. Harkon's is probably one of the more underrated items along with Charged Hammer.
What program/software are you using if I might ask?
Pencil and paper for equations.
MS Excel 2010 for number crunching, tables, and graphs.
Wolfram Mathematica for integration (for other threads, not this one yet)
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largest crit possible, 5 man team only (so you cant stack up like 20 damage boosing abilities)
oh, and no doombringer
and show the item/skill combos you used.
and one slot to boots (of your choice)
you can put supportive aura damage boosting items on allied heroes as well (vlads specifically)
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What is the worst combination of jungle creep spawns (Gold wise or XP wise) and what are the chances of that combination spawning.
What is the maximum amount of damage behe ult can do taking into account its radius and model radii? Assume 10 heroes with unitwalking, unlimited creeps none with unit walking.
If all you do is last hit every lane creep in one lane what GPM do you get?
At what hp and regen values will health pots regen you to 100% faster than the fountain. ( I dont really know the mechanics behind the fountain but early game it seems like health pots heal faster than the fountain)
Please keep huge permutation questions at bay. I really dont feel like setting up programs and running scenarios for a gagillion different item/spell/hero combinations.
Keep questions to one scenerio/set up. See first post for examples.
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Given two ranged heroes fighting in a lane. If I Deny every creep of every wave (assuming four melee, one ranged) what experience will I have / my enemy have at 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 minutes mark?
Please format the answer with total xp for each hero at each time interval as well as their appropriate level.
How much total damage does Blacksmith's Flaming Hammer do? Give answer as a function of the enemy's initial magic armour (if possible).
For reference, max rank is 40 damage per second and -4 magic armor over 7.5 seconds, with the magic armour reduction tapering back to 0 over the duration.
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The shutdown began on Tuesday, after Republicans and Democrats in the House of Representatives failed to come to an agreement over the federal budget. Most of the government's nonessential services have ground to a halt, and among the hardest-hit agencies is NASA.
One of the few lines of communication that remains open is with the International Space Station, where six astronauts, including two from NASA, are still working in orbit. A skeleton crew remains at Mission Control in Houston, talking to the astronauts and trying to keep them occupied.
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"The Hubble is open for business and doing science as we speak," says Matt Mountain, director of the Space Telescope Science Institute, which runs the Hubble for NASA. The Institute has enough cash on hand to keep Hubble going for a few more weeks, provided nothing goes wrong. But in space, things can go wrong. Stray radiation can strike at any time.
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"It swings the space craft away from the sun and closes down all the instruments and just sits there," he says.
The only way for the Hubble to resume observations is for ground control to reboot it. But ground control is run by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, which is currently closed. So if something happens, Hubble will just have to sit there, in orbit, until the shutdown ends.
The shutdown is hardest is for space probes preparing to leave the planet. Bruce Jakosky is in charge of a mission to Mars called MAVEN. The $671 million orbiter will study Mars's atmosphere. This mission can only launch when the planets Mars and Earth are aligned.
"We have a 20-day period in which we can launch, this time around, and that runs from Nov. 18 to Dec. 7," Jakosky says.
Researchers were working feverishly at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, getting MAVEN ready to go. But yesterday the shutdown started. They had to turn everything off and leave the building. Now nobody can get in. The only way Jakosky can see his spacecraft is via a webcam they set up before they left.
"We're anxious to get back to work, we're anxious to get back on track," he says. "After about a week I'm going to get really concerned."
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Writing this column today reminds me a bit of the days when I was involved in Toastmasters, an organization that helped me overcome the fear of speaking before audiences. I was part of a toastmaster's group in two Oregon cities and basically we went through a series of textbooks that prepared us to speak on a variety of topics to different kinds of audiences.
We had to give a speech about every six weeks and I was always on the lookout for interesting subjects. I liked to keep ahead so I wasn't scrambling the night before the speech trying to come up with an idea. Like this column, preparation is always the best method.
However instead of once every six weeks I try and write something for my "On the Road" columm every week. Since I don't travel every weekend, I try and write about things that are relevant to the community, the newspaper or my life in general. Over the holidays, while I was traveling home from Montana, I had a delay in the Missoula airport and picked up a book that prompted today's column.
The book I just finished reading is called Positive Words, Powerful Results, which provides 16 chapters about simple ways to honor, affirm, and celebrate life. The author is Hal Urban.
Urban did an incredible job pointing out how words have shaped history.
"They've given birth to ideas, started wars, inspired millions, and made people rich and famous," he stated, going on to point out that words can hurt and shock, or they can heal and lift spirits. They can even get us to buy things. Words can change lives, for better or for worse.
We all remember sayings like "Death and life are in power of the tongue" and I remember someone once saying that "the pen is mightier than the sword." Mother Teresa was once quoted, "kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are truly endless."
We have all been influenced by words. I remember those teachers who were supportive and nurturing, helping me through the tough periods in my life and I also remember those teachers and coaches who were mean, critical and spent most of their time humiliating people with name-calling and sarcasm.
I thought about some of the comments in the book over the weekend and it was interesting that on a visit to the grocery store Saturday I heard and saw examples of the best and worst.
One mother was patient and loving as she calmed down her upset little girl, talking calmly and lovingly and encouraging her to keep trying. But just three aisles over another mother was berating her little boy, telling him he was stupid, dumb and ugly and that he would never amount to anything. We all pretty well know how each of these children will grow up and if they will feel good about themselves.
I raised two sons, taught school for a few years and have been involved in several communities over the past 30 years in a variety of capacities. I have seen how words can make the difference between success and failure, between happiness and sadness, between positive and negative actions.
It's no harder to use encouraging and loving words than it is to berate and hurt. Kind words can cheer us up when the world is getting us down, they can honor us for our achievements, cause little ones to giggle and laugh.
I remember a friend once told me that he went to a retirement home once a month and would ask the staff if he could visit one of the loneliest ladies in the home. Since his mother had passed away he wanted to pass on the love he had for her to someone else. He would take them a small bouquet of flowers and sit and visit for a few minutes with them, letting them know that someone out there was thinking about them. I never forgot that act of kindness.
Words can restore our faith in the goodness of humanity, bolster our self-image and inspire us to give our best. I can tell you exactly which bosses I have worked hardest for over the past 30 years. It wasn't the ones that were demanding, critical, insensitive and rude.
Words can lift our spirits and warm our hearts, they improve our wounds and acknowledge our work. Words can heal and boost our confidence and celebrate our triumphs.
Words can comfort us in time of sorrow and make little children feel as though they count. Words can encourage the employee who might need an extra little push and remind us what's right and good in the world.
It's wonderful to be surprised by words when we don't expect them. I received an e-mail from a long lost friend this morning, telling me how much she missed our visits. It put a smile on my face early on today and I have been able to brighten other people's days with a kind word.
The book was refreshing and reinforced many of the things I already knew and practice, but more important it reminded me that no matter what the situation is I can be part of the solution or I can be part of the problem.
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Lola Tegeder can't believe where she is today.
"In my wildest dreams, I never dreamed I would be the CEO of James Imaging Systems," said Tegeder of her Brookfield-area company. "I was scared to death. I didn't know much about the business.
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But more than 25 years after taking over the company, it appears she had nothing to fear and that the business was put in good hands.
James Imaging Systems serves an eight-county area and specializes in sales, leasing and servicing of multifunctional copiers, fax machines and wide format and laser printers.
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Under her watch, the company has grown substantially, and she has led the family-owned business through a couple of successful transitions.
Others have noticed this as well, because Tegeder was one of 14 recipients of the 2012 Governor's Trailblazer Award for Women in Business.
The award recognizes women pioneers in the business community around the state of Wisconsin.
The award, to say the least, was unexpected.
"I was absolutely surprised," Tegeder said. "I had no idea that I would be chosen. I'm very excited. It's a great honor to be recognized for all these years."
She was nominated for the award by Kate Hill, the president of Heartland Information Research in Wauwatosa, and was the only recipient from Waukesha County.
Tegeder, along with all the other winners, will be recognized at the Governor's Mansion in Madison on March 28 during an awards ceremony and luncheon.
When she accepts that award next month, it will be in honor of her late husband, James.
"That's exactly what it will be," she said. "This is for James."
That's because it was James' passion for the business that started James Imaging Systems in 1977. But seven years into his tenure as the company's leader, he died.
After that, Tegeder not only took over as CEO, but she was motivated to keep the company's strong tradition alive.
"I was very determined because my husband worked very hard," she said. "We started in the garage ... and the equipment came into the family room, and I said to him, 'I think it's time to rent a place.' "
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They rented a place in Waukesha in the early 1980s. But as the company expanded and outgrew that location, it moved into its current Brookfield location. That was about 10 years ago.
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The company has 55 employees, and Tegeder credits them with the success of the company.
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Blues boss Di Matteo is considering a radical overhaul of his team and tactics for tonight's potential do-or-die Group E clash at Juventus.
Di Matteo was contemplating dropping Fernando Torres and others in his underachieving squad in order to avoid the defeat that would leave Chelsea on the brink of being the first Champions League holders to fail to reach the knockout stage.
Torres has started every game when available this season but the most expensive player ever transferred between British clubs is firmly back in the doldrums.
Di Matteo said on Monday: "I've always said that we have two strikers in our team, Fernando and Daniel Sturridge. They're both fit and I'll have to see how we're going to go. I will do whatever I believe is best for this game."
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It is no exaggeration to say Di Matteo's decisions could have a profound effect on his prospects of keeping the job he so richly deserved as a reward for ending Chelsea's wait for European Cup glory.
It was deja vu for football's most trigger-happy club on Monday as Di Matteo became the latest Blues manager to face serious questions about his job security following a slump in results.
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Di Matteo admitted on Friday he feared Abramovich was going to sack him along with Andre Villas-Boas before he took charge of Chelsea but he refused to reveal whether he was of a similar mind on Monday evening.
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