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Family Housing Policies
Eligibility Requirements
Residents must meet the following eligibility criteria to live in BYU Student Family Housing at Wymount Terrace and Wyview Park:
- Eligible families must fall into one of the following categories:
- A married couple (with or without children).
- Engaged couples may submit an agreement for an apartment at any time, provided the availability date of the apartment is no more than thirty days prior to their marriage date. For example, if you are getting married on January 30, you may submit an agreement at any time, but only for an apartment with an availability date of January 1 or later.
- Both spouses must reside in the apartment. The spouse of the student is not required to be a BYU student, but the spouse must have a BYU NetID and must sign the Housing Agreement. A spouse can create a NetID here.
- A parent with one or more dependent children.
- The child must reside in the apartment and the parent must have full custody of the child.
- A married couple (with or without children).
- Families with foster children are not eligible to live in BYU Student Family Housing.
- Parents, siblings, and other relatives of the resident are not considered members of the immediate family and are not permitted to reside in the apartment.
- At least one spouse must be an admitted BYU student and enrolled in at least the number of credits hours indicated below
(Independent Study credits do not count toward this requirement):
Student Type Fall Semester Winter Semester Spring Term* Summer Term* Undergraduate Students 9 credits 9 credits 4 credits 4 credits Graduate Students 2 credits 2 credits 2 credits 2 credits *During Spring and Summer Terms, you are not required to be enrolled if you have been a resident of BYU Student Family Housing as a full-time student (at least 9 credits for undergraduates or 2 credits for graduates) for the previous two semesters and you will be a full-time BYU student in the Fall semester.
- Admitted BYU students may count BYU Salt Lake Center credits toward the minimum credit hour requirement.
- Those enrolled in classes as post-baccalaureate, concurrent enrollment, or BGS students may submit a petition to the Housing Review Board requesting eligibility to live on campus. Petitions are reviewed on a case by case basis.
- Those attending the English Language Center are not admitted to BYU, and are therefore not eligible to live on campus.
- Those attending the BYU Salt Center, but who are not admitted to BYU, are not eligible to live on campus.
|Apartment Size
|Maximum Number of Occupants*
|One-Bedroom Apartments
|Maximum of 2 occupants
|One-Bedroom Apartments with Study
|Maximum of 4 occupants
|Two-Bedroom Apartments
|Maximum of 4 occupants
|Three-Bedroom Apartments
|Maximum of 6 occupants
|*Maximum occupants allowed may vary, depending on dependent children's ages.
Prospective residents are encouraged to become familiar with both the Terms and Conditions (PDF) of the Housing Agreement and the BYU Student Family Housing guidelines.
Missing Student Policy
Revised September 2009
Residents in on-campus housing are encouraged to provide the name and contact information of an Emergency or Missing Student contact in Route Y Personal Information. The Office of Residence Life will notify University Police within 24 hours of determining a resident is missing. All official reports of a missing person will be referred to the University Police immediately. The university will also notify the person identified in Route Y Personal Information as the Emergency or Missing Person Contact within 24 hours after determining a resident is missing.
If you believe a student is missing, you should immediately alert one of the following:
- University Police Department
- Dean of Students' Office
- Office of Residence Life or any of the housing complex central buildings
Service and Therapy/Emotional Support Animals
Revised April 2012
Brigham Young University (BYU) is committed to accommodate persons with disabilities who require the assistance of service or therapy/emotional support animals in a reasonable manner; however, the university is also mindful of the health and safety concerns of the campus community. Thus, the university must must balance the need of the individual with the disability with the potential impact of such animals on other campus patrons. (Currently BYU Residence Life has 898 family units and just under 5,000 single housing units. These units include Wymount Terrace [family], Wyview Park, Heritage Halls, Helaman Halls and the Foreign Language Student Residences.)
The University Accessibility Center (UAC) personnel are responsible for implementing this policy and for assisting students with disabilities to document their specific need for an accommodations. The successful implementation of the policy requires the cooperation of all students, faculty, and staff.
"Disability" is defined as a physical or mental condition or impairment that is both medically cognizable, and diagnosable, and that substantially limits one or more of a person's major life activities. These limitations may include: caring for oneself, performing manual tasks, walking, seeing, hearing, speaking, breathing, working, and learning. A person is substantially limited in major life activities if the individual is unable to perform the activity, or is significantly restricted as to the manner in which he or she can perform that activity when compared to the average person. Acceptable documentation of a disability can be from either a medical or mental health provider. It should verify the disability as well as the need for a service or therapy/emotional support animal.
Service Animal
A "service animal" is a dog (or in some instances a miniature horse) individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability. These tasks include but are not limited to: guiding individuals with impaired vision, alerting individuals who are hearing impaired to intruders or sound, providing minimal protection or rescue work, pulling a wheelchair, or fetching dropped items.
Therapy/Emotional Support Animal
A "therapy/emotional support animal" is an animal selected to play an integral part of a person's treatment process. That animal should demonstrate a good temperament and reliable, predictable behavior. A therapy/emotional support animal is prescribed to an individual with a disability by a healthcare or mental health professional. A therapy/emotional support animal is not a service animal. Unlike a service animal, a therapy/emotional support animal does not assist a person with a disability with activities of daily living, nor does it accompany a person with a disability at all the times. A therapy/ emotional support animal, however, may be incorporated in a treatment process to assist in alleviating the symptoms of that individual's disability. This treatment occurs within the person's residence and, therefore, may be considered for access to university housing.
A pet is an animal kept for ordinary use and companionship. A pet is not considered a service animal or a therapy/emotional support animal, and, therefore, it is not covered by this policy. Residents are not permitted to keep pets on university property or in university housing.
Responsibility of Persons with Service or Therapy/Emotional Support Animals
Care and Supervision: Care and supervision of the animal are the responsibility of the individual who benefits from the animal's use. The person is required to maintain control of the animal at all times, where consistent with the capacity of the service animal user. The person is also responsible for ensuring the clean up of the animal's waste and, when appropriate, must toilet the animal in areas designated by the University consistent with the reasonable capacity of the owner.
Vaccination: In accordance with local ordinances and regulations the animal must be immunized against diseases common to that type of animal. Dogs must have current vaccination against rabies and wear a rabies vaccination tag. Although not mandated, cats should have the normal shots required for a healthy animal. Local licensing requirements are followed.
Health: Animals, other than cats and dogs, to be housed in university housing must have an annual clean bill of health from a licensed veterinarian. Documentation can be a vaccination certificate for the animal or a veterinarian's statement regarding the animal's health. The university has authority to direct that the animal receive veterinary attention. (Local licensing law is followed.)
Licensing: Utah County, including the City of Provo, requires all dogs four (4) months or older to be licensed. Dogs must wear license tags at all times. The tags verify that the shots (rabies, etc.) required by law have been given.
Training: Service animals must be properly trained. However, proof of training is not required.
Permissible Inquiries: BYU staff may ask only two questions of patrons regarding service animals: (1) is the dog (or horse) a service animal required because of disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog (or horse) been trained to perform?
Leash: If appropriate the animal (dog) must be on a leash, unless the leash would inhibit the animal's ability to be of service. In such a case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.
Other Conditions: The UAC may place other reasonable conditions or restrictions on the animals depending on the nature and characteristics of the animal.
Requirements for Faculty, Staff, Students, and Other Members of the University Community
Members of the University community are required to abide by the following practices:
- They are to allow a service animal to accompany its owner at all times and in all places on campus, except where animals are specifically prohibited.
- They are not to touch or pet a service or therapy/emotional support animal unless invited to do so.
- They are not to feed a service or therapy/emotional support animal.
- They are not to startle a service or therapy/emotional support animal, deliberately.
- They are not to separate or to attempt to separate an owner from his or her service or therapy/emotional support animal.
- They are not to inquire for details about the owner's disabilities. The nature of a person's disability is a private matter.
Removal of Service or Therapy/Emotional Support Animal
The University may exclude/remove a service animal when it 1) poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others or 2) results in a fundamental alteration of the University's program. In university housing units, a fundamental alteration may occur if the animal's behavior prevents other tenants from enjoying full use of the property (e.g., through frequent barking).
Owners of service or therapy/emotional support animals are solely responsible for any damage to persons or university property caused by their animals.
Areas Off Limits to Service Animals
The University may prohibit the use of service animals in certain locations due to health and safety restrictions (e.g. where the animals may be in danger, or where their use may compromise the integrity of research). Restricted areas may include, but are not limited to, the following areas: custodial closets, boiler rooms, facility equipment rooms, research laboratories, classrooms with research/demonstration animals, areas where protective clothing is necessary, wood and metal shops, motor pools, and rooms with heavy machinery and areas outlined in state law as being inaccessible to animals.
Exceptions to restricted areas may be granted on a case-by-case basis by contacting the University Accessibility Center and the appropriate department representative; however, the person directing the restricted area has the final decision.
Service and Therapy/Emotional Support Animals in University Housing
Service and therapy/emotional support animals may not reside in University housing without expressed approval of university officials. Such requests should be processed as follows:
- A person requesting a service or therapy/emotional support animal must provide the University Accessibility Center with appropriate documentation at least 30 days before prospective housing will be needed. The UAC requires a 30-days notice period in order to do its due diligence by gathering and verifying the necessary documentation for the student. This documentation includes, but is not limited to: verification of a disability, the determination of any conflicting disabilities in the immediate vicinity where the animal will be housed, and verification of all vaccinations and the health of the animal including all the necessary licensing. If documentation is immediately available, the time for the approval process may be shortened.
- Documentation of the need for an emotional support animal should include a signed letter, on professional letterhead, from the
person's physical or mental healthcare provider or licensed therapist. The provider or therapist should be familiar with the
professional literature concerning the assistive and/or therapeutic benefits of assistance animals for people with disabilities. A
copy of the therapy/emotional support animal certification form or ID card from the agency or organization that provided the training
should also be provided by the training agency or organization. If the animal is trained by the owner or another private individual, a
brief statement to that affect is all that is required. At a minimum, the letter should include the following items (template letter
is provided at the end of this document):
- The provider's diagnosis of the person's condition.
- The provider's opinion that the condition affects a major life activity.
- The provider's opinion that the service or therapy/emotional support animal has been prescribed for treatment purposes and is necessary to help alleviate symptoms associated with the person's condition and/or to help the person use and enjoy university housing services.
- The provider's description of the service(s) that the animal will provide.
- Any additional rationale or statement the university may reasonably need to understand the basis for the professional opinion.
- The University Accessibility Center staff members will review documentation and, if the UAC determine a qualifying disability exists, they shall arrange a meeting with a university housing representative and the person requesting that a service or therapy/emotional support animal be housed in university housing. This policy will be carefully reviewed with the person at that time and an interactive dialogue will take place to determine whether or not the animal is a reasonable accommodation considering alternative accommodations and the impact of the animal on the university housing program.
Verification of Disability and Need for a Service Animal
A person desiring the assistance of a service animal to use university facilities and services must provide verification to the University Accessibility Center that he or she has a qualifying disability and that the service animal is needed for the use and enjoyment of university facilities and services. The person's health care provider, who is qualified to make the requested assessment, must submit a signed letter on professional letterhead expressing the following:
- The provider's diagnosis of the person's condition.
- The provider's opinion that the condition affects a major life activity.
- The provider's professional opinion that the service animal is used to help with the person's daily living activities and is necessary to use and enjoy university facilities and services.
- The provider's description of what service(s) the animal will specifically provide.
- Any additional rationale or statement the university may reasonably need to understand the basis for the professional opinion.
Conflicting Disabilities
Residence Life personnel will make a reasonable effort to notify tenants in the residence building where the animal will be located of the existence of a service or therapy/emotional support animal in the building.
Students with medical condition(s) that are affected by animals (respiratory diseases, asthma, severe allergies) are asked to contact the University Accessibility Center if they have a health or safety related concern about exposure to a service or therapy/ emotional support animal. The individual will be asked to provide medical documentation that identifies the condition(s), and will allow determination to be made as to whether the condition is disabling and whether there is a need for an accommodation.
The University Accessibility Center staff will resolve any conflict in a timely manner. Staff members will consider the conflicting needs and/or accommodations of all persons involved. The University Accessibility Center staff may use the University Student Health Center as a resource for information on health issues. In the event that an agreement cannot be reached, the University Accessibility Center's decision is final and not subject to appeal.
Service Animals in Training
Individuals who desire an accommodation for a service animal in training must demonstrate that there is a proper training plan designed to work for the benefit of an individual with a disability. They must also abide by all relevant provisions of this policy. An animal being trained to be a service animal has all the same rights as a fully trained animal when accompanied by a trainer and identified as such.
Questions or concerns related to this policy should be addressed to the UAC:
University Accessibility Center (UAC)
Provo, UT 84602-7920
Phone: (801) 422-2767
Fax: (801) 422-0174
Sample Letter from a Service Provider:
Name of Professional (therapist, physician, psychiatrist, rehabilitation counselor)
XXX Road
City, State Zip
Dear [University Accessibility Center]:
[Full Name of Tenant] is my patient, and has been under my care since [date]. I am familiar with his/her history and with the functional limitations imposed by his/her disability.
Due to the ______________ disorder, [first name] has certain limitations regarding [social interaction/coping with stress/anxiety, etc.]. In order to help alleviate these difficulties, and to enhance his/her ability to live independently and to use fully and enjoy the University owned and administered housing unit, I am prescribing an animal that will assist [first name] in coping with his/her disability. It is anticipated that the animal will assist [first name] in the following manner:
I am competent to make an assessment regarding the assistive and/or therapeutic benefits of assistance animals for people with disabilities such as that experienced by [first name]. Upon request, I would be happy to answer questions you may have concerning my recommendation that [Full Name of Tenant] have a therapy animal. Should you have additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.Sincerely,
Name of Professional


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text: well am sure that tobi isnt orochimaru because remember when danzo was fighting sasuke and tobi relized that danzo had met with orochimaru. he said *damn u orochimaru * . why would he say that if he was orochimaru. but i do believe that orochimaru had something to do with tobi. because if u notice , tobi has that same body has orochimaru. look at the chapter where he fights with minato ( naruto's dad ) and his hand comes off after minato's attack. he has been keeping himself alive using the same method as orochimaru. probably changing bodies also. so all tobi is , is an uchiha that has been keeping himself alive for a long time by experients from orochimaru. thats why sasuke says * the one who knows everything * . orochimaru has been alive longer than u guys think. he knows all about the hokages and past events because he has been changing bodies for years to stay alive up until now.


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End of Bobby?
Robin Brownlee
December 20 2008 01:24PM
We don't know for sure that Friday marked the beginning of the end of Robert Nilsson's days as a member of the Edmonton Oilers, but it sure sounded like it to listen to coach Craig MacTavish.
Now, maybe I'm reading between the lines too much, or maybe it was just the frustration of watching Nilsson float again before grabbing some pine in a 3-2 shootout loss to the Anaheim Ducks at Rexall Place, but it sounded like MacT is done with the Little Magic Man.
You tell me.
"No competitiveness," MacTavish said in his post game comments when asked about benching Nilsson in the third period.
"We try and coddle the competitiveness out of him, but he just didn't have any again tonight. I've had enough and seen enough of it."
Damning words
Might MacTavish be more restrained if asked about Nilsson when the team returns to the ice for practice Sunday? Possibly. But if MacTavish really has "had enough and seen enough of it," what does that mean? A stint in the press box. Another demotion to the fourth line? A ticket to Springfield?
Having met Nilsson at the 2003 Entry Draft, where the New York Islanders selected him 15th overall, and having watched his progress -- or lack of same -- with some interest because he's the son of former Oiler Kent (Magic Man) Nilsson and somebody I thought Edmonton might select, I'd suggest skipping the preliminary stuff and get to brass tacks.
If I was GM Steve Tambellini, I'd be looking to trade Robert Nilsson while he's still got a semblance of marketability -- albeit greatly diminished -- because of the flair and offensive talent he possesses and teases you with.
The problem is, Nilsson only puts that talent on display, and does it within the framework of a game plan, when he feels like it. That doesn't happen nearly enough. That isn't good enough. At 23, Nilsson should know that, but apparently he hasn't figured it out yet.
Doesn't get it
With 4-6-10 and a -8 rating through 27 games, Nilsson hasn't even been the least productive member of the now-dismantled Kid Line. That distinction falls to Sam Gagner, while Andrew Cogliano has easily been the best of the trio.
As much as he's struggled, though, Gagner is 19 and in his second season. Cogliano is 21 and also a sophomore. Nilsson turns 24 on January 10 and he's been demoted, chided and traded once already for disappearing for long stretches and being inconsistent.
Sitting Nilsson isn't the answer. Neither is cutting his minutes and putting him on the fourth line. What will more time in the press box accomplish?
Even before Nilsson's latest slacking, I talked about a need to weed out some of the Oilers small forwards and use one or two of their skilled little guys as bargaining chips.
It's as much about an overlap in skills as it is about lack of size, but I don't see room for Gagner, Cogliano, Nilsson, Gilbert Brule, Rob Schremp and Jordan Eberle in MacTavish's top-nine forwards over the next two or three seasons. Do you?
What's next?
At this point, I'd rather see what Brule and Schremp can do and offer up Nilsson and whatever else it takes to land a veteran forward who can kill penalties and win face-offs or a shutdown defenceman. Given MacTavish's lament about the lack of a one-shot scorer after the Anaheim loss, maybe there's a team willing to part with one and gamble on Nilsson's upside as part of a package.
"We don't shoot the puck hard enough collectively," MacTavish said after his outfit made Jonas Hiller look like Georges Vezina.
"We can put ourselves in position to score but we need a lot of shots to score. With the exception of Sheldon (Souray), there aren't a lot of guys who are first-shot scorers. We need a lot of looks. That's been real obvious."
Whether it's a defensive forward, a triggerman with a nose for the net or a shutdown blueliner, I doubt I'd get much of an argument from MacTavish that Tambellini should pick up the phone and kick some tires.
It's time.
I have a question?
Can anyone give me the name of a single NHL player that has been publicly quoted saying that his coach has "lost the room/team"?
Did any of the Blackhawks harp about Savard?
Where the players crying for Barry's head in TB?
Did the Hurricanes throw Laviolette under the bus?
While I appreciate the insight of all of the local media - it is hard for the average fan to believe that any player on the Oilers will publicly (on record) tell you that they don't like the coach, etc...
Maybe Robin or Gregs can explain how we as outsiders are to know whether or not the coach has "lost the room"? The only thing we can go by is to watch the players play the game.
If the players say that the coach DOES prepare them and the team then comes out and is not prepared - what conclusion can we draw?
Maybe the players just aren't listening (which would be a reason to try a diiferent coach) or maybe the coach's instructions don't work (again, another reason to say good-bye).
We have changed our team completely over the last few years. The thing we have yet to see is consistency. Atleast if we were consistently bad - that would be something. Playing like heroes one night and then like zeros then next night speaks volumes about leadership/direction/preparation.
Our coach picks our captains. Our coach instructs our players how to he wants the game played. Our coach is responsible for getting HIS team prepared game in and game out.
I guess my real question is: Is this really HIS team???
December 21 2008, 05:15PM
@ rindog: Thank YOU!!!!!!
@ rindog: Fair points about players talking publicly, but, like I've said before, reporters who've been around awhile get a lot of information in off-record discussions that steer them to the truth.
Let's take Joni Pitkanen for example. Reporters don't start writing things like "Pitkanen is an odd duck, doesn't fit in and should really be traded" if they haven't been tipped off that's the feeling in the room. No way a teammate is going to publicly say something like that, but you can bet before an item like that gets written the reporter has been given the lay of the land off the record. That's why there's often no quotes in such things.
Only the dimmest reporter would write something like that without knowing it to be true because painting a picture of a player as a bit of an outcast when he was actually well thought of in the room would get you shut out pretty fast.
Having a dressing room full of players fed up with a coach and wanting him gone is a big story, and you can bet that if we were getting that message off the record about MacT, it would be getting into print and on the air in a hurry. I'd damn sure be writing it.
In my mind, MacT has made a lot of questionable moves this season. I know there's some frustration within the room about some of the calls he's made. Likewise, there's no question he needs to pay the price by being fired if this team continues to under-achieve.
But, speaking specifically to the "he's lost the room" aspect, I'm not hearing that in any private discussions and, believe me or not, I would have by now if it was the case.
December 21 2008, 05:38PM
How much longer does Mac T or anyone else get to try and rectify the situation? It's not like it's still the beginning of the year. I believe if a change is to be made then make it before the goal set (By Tambellini/Lowe) of winning the division is out of reach.
@ topshelf:
If you've been following what's been written and said around town, you're going to be disappointed if you're among the people who want MacTavish fired now.
MacTavish has still got, last I checked, Daryl Katz in his corner. Tambellini is on the record as saying he'll make a trade before he looks elsewhere to turn things around. So, until there's a player move or two and the team still doesn't respond, don't be expecting to see MacT fired or resigning. There's a case to be made that it should happen now, but it won't.
@ RobinB:
That explains it a lot better, in some of the previous comments it seemed as though it was implied that since no player had come out and ripped MacT publicly then all was good.
December 21 2008, 05:52PM
I am not expecting the coach to be fired but like i read above..somethings gotta give. The status quo is NOT working if the goal of this year is to win the division.
December 21 2008, 05:54PM
Just to clarify..wanting and expecting are two different things.
December 21 2008, 06:49PM
OK. This is getting ridiculous. Welcome to HF boards II.
Lets be clear. This whole "lost the room" thing s something that a small group of vocal fans (and by small I mean twenty or so) are posting on a bunch of blogs, most of which didn't exist 5 years ago. It sounds kinda interesting and makes everybody who stands behind this ridiculous statement semi-believable because the way the team is playing fits the opinion.
Yes, its MacT's job to prepare the team. I think (my opinion) this means getting the tactics set and making sure everybody in the room knows what to expect. I don't believe his job is to motivate extremely well paid athletes because, well, that's why they're extremely well paid athletes. If this were a peewee team, you might have a point. From what we've seen in Robin's posts above, the team to a man believes they are prepared for the games.
I know it makes you feel kinda cool to belong to an internet club that has "Fire MacT" as its secret handshake, but at some point I think you should have some real evidence to back your claims up.
Posting on an internet blog does NOT make you an authority - no matter how cool your sig name is. It makes you a guy with an opinion. And like something else, everybody's got one. But how about thinking twice before you rip into the guys who actually know what's going on. This is the only place on the net I know of where two credible MSM people are taking it on the chin every time they say something. You may not agree with what they say and that's cool. But try not coming off as total posers by inferring that your opinion is anything more than that.
When Nilsson goes so goes the last value we got for Smyth. When Cole goes so goes the last value we got for Pronger...unless you consider Smid for Pronger a good deal. MacT isn't the problem...
December 21 2008, 08:51PM
@ David S: Wow a blog bodyguard!!! This site is set up so anyone can put their 2 cents in, and thats all people do!! Everyone has an opinion and if we come off sounding like we know something don't discredit us!!! Maybe some of us are a friend of an Oiler or maybe we've been Oiler fans so long we live and breath what they do and keep up with everything. WE think there needs to be a change,if it works great if it don't at least WE can look at it as a positive sign the Management is actually trying. Your opinion is just that so is mine...my "sig name"means nothing to anyone, if anything the names are for comedic relief. So if you think your hot sh*t cause you use your real name youre not...(my opinion)!!
ramped up wrote:
Maybe some of us are a friend of an Oiler or maybe we've been Oiler fans so long we live and breath what they do and keep up with everything.
Hope you're not relying too much on newspapers, radio and television to "keep up." There seems to be some doubt that those of us who cover the team actually have a clue about what's going on.
December 21 2008, 09:26PM
aaannnyways..is Bobby actually on his way out? What happened at practice today?
December 21 2008, 09:40PM
@ topshelf
I really hope not. I quite like him. But most likely he will go. I really sucks that you can't send anyone to the minors. The rules do seem to work in the players favour. (the main reason I am not a union guy) There should be no one way or two way contracts. The team owns you and therefore the team should be allowed to send anyone of their choosing to minors at anytime. For what ever reason. Sending Nilsson to the minors (IMO) is the best option right now. I think he could be a very special player one day. But with a guaranteed contract a player really has nothing to worry about. So what. You get traded. That is almost like rewarding a guy for being crappy. New start for him right?
You know... its funny. I really thought that since his old man was in the "club", he would get sort of a free ride. I guess I was wrong.
As far as practice. Don't ask me.
Merry Christmas Everyone!
@ topshelf: Nilsson will take a seat in the press box and you an expect to see Liam Reddox on left wing with Sam Gagner and Erik Cole.
Reddox, obviously, doesn't bring any of the offensive upside Nilsson does, but with the roster freeze on there's no opportunity to call up Schremp or Brule from the AHL.
Of course, losing the flair or a Nilsson likely doesn't bother MacTavish much, given his longstanding affection for "safe" players like Reddox. When the roster freeze comes off, it'll be interesting to see who gets the call-up. I'd hope it would be Brule or Schremp.
December 21 2008, 10:32PM
not at all,I stand by the quote you picked out
December 21 2008, 10:34PM
Sorry my last comment was to RobinB(technical glitch)
December 21 2008, 11:03PM
Reddox with Gagner and Cole.....Wow just when those two players were looking like they were getting out of a funk.
No matter what Nilsson's competitiveness is, he is twice the player Reddox will ever be.
Reddox looks like he's getting this years Toby Peterson award for "most faith put into an under skilled player by MacT that should be a 3rd liner in the AHL".
Damn you MacT and your love affair with "almost" players.
I never get tired about people complaining about an old boys club, and firing the coach in a province that's had the same political party in power since only Greg Oden can remember when.
@ RobinB:
I take your word for it. If you tell me that the players are willing to go through a wall for MacT - then I have to believe it.
I hope you understand that I was not questioning the media or its motives.
I simply wanted to know what we as fans are supposed to do/think?
Do we just sit idly by and let our team underachieve year after year? Or are we within our rights to question the manner in which we see things happening(as outsiders)?
I guess my argument regarding the coaching staff does not stem from this season alone. I have questioned the direction of this team for many years and have not yet seen anything that leads me to believe that there is a light at the end of the tunnel....
If you have the time one day, would you mind doing me a favor? Gregs has told me on numerous occasions that my dislike for MacT has clouded my ability to be objective. Would you be able to give me (a fan) a list of things that you think MacT does well? Maybe you could post a blog and call it - Gimme a Break! (and have a nice little photo of Nell Carter to go along with it). The whole intent of the blog could be to silence the MacT critics and give them some actual issues to debate.
Katz obviously has no intentions of getting rid of him anytone soon...why do you think that is?
I personally would like to hear of the reasons why you (a hockey mind...not a media mogul) think that MacT deserves his job?
I also wanted to ask you one more question?
It has occured to me (and I hope I am not out of line by saying this) that you (and other media members) might dislike MacT as much as the next Oiler fan, but are as smart as the players and don't want to bite the hand that feeds you?
@ David S:
I have a funny feeling you were responding to my post (without mentioning my name).
If so, can you please tell me where I ripped into anyone?
I simply asked the man if we (as fans) we were within our rights to take quotes from media interiews with a grain of salt???
And for the record David, the "lost the room" idea has been thrown around around just about every TV/ radio station by more than just fans.
If you are asking me to back up my claims (re: MacT)- be prepared for a lengthy and detailed response. But then again, my points would only be those from an outsider's point of view.
I don't expect the media to handout priveleged information or off the record comments. It would be foolish of them to do so. I also would expect that if they want to support the coach (and agree with them)that they should be willing to give us some insight that we couldn't be aware of or atleast give us their own opinions supporting him. Otherwise, they are no different than any of us fans out there.
Although, I do sometimes wonder if the media are permitted to actually be fans of the team???
Would that not make their jobs a lot more difficult if they actually had an emotional attachment to the team???
@ RobinB:
One other thing.
I really appreciate the Pikanen angle, but it does lead me to another question?
What ever became of the so called veteran player that wanted to remain anonymous about voicing his displeasure in the coach?
Was that just simply a story (to get a reaction) or was their any "teeth" to it?
And, if it was true - do you know who it was (of course I don't expect you to give out a name)? And can you not understand how the average fan would read that and start trying to put 2 and 2 together?
@ rindog: Based on your opening comment about taking my word for it that the players are willing to go through a wall for MacT, I obviously haven't made myself clear. Let me try again.
THE ROOM -- Let's agree that being willing to go through a wall for a coach and a coach having "lost the room" are oppostite ends of the spectrum. From what I see, hear, know and think, MacT sits somewhere in the middle right now. With the team under-achieving, nobody is happy. It follows that coaches are questioning the ability and willingness of players to get the job done. Patience runs thin -- so you get public shots taken at players like Penner and Nilsson. Players, in turn, can't be (and aren't) 100 per cent sold on the game-planning and approach of the coaching staff. You don't think there's been a forward or two who has rolled his eyes and thought, "I wonder who I'm playing with next?" I can guartantee that's happened. But is there a widespread belief that MacT and his staff don't have a clue and it's time to tune them out? No. It's not black and white. Like I said, nobody is happy and won't be until the team starts winning.
THE LINES AND STRATEGY -- I have no idea what MacTavish is thinking at times when I see him draw out his lines and I know there are players who feel the same. He's made some decisions that boggle my mind. Playing Cole and Penner out of position to begin the season was the start of it and we've all seen the various combinations since. Pisani as a centre? Cole on LW. Penner on RW? Then, after several shuffles, Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky get going as a line and he breaks them up. What? -- MacTavish calling out Penner was a calculated risk that worked, but doing the same thing with Nilsson is pushing it. Publicly embarrassing a player is a card you can't play too often -- especially when the team, as a whole, is not performing as it should. Nilsson has been a disappointment, no question, and I'm not sure he'll ever fully grasp what it takes to be as effective as he could be, but that's the nature of some high-skill players. I guess there's a lot less willingness to live with that when things are going badly as opposed to when the team is winning. All I know is you can't flush the system of the risk-reward guys like Nilsson, Schremp and Brule and fill a roster with guys like Liam Reddox just because they are "safe" players. -- What happened to sustained pressure on the forecheck? Why have the Oilers gone away from a puck-pressure scheme? -- The PK. Duh! Change the system or change the personnel. -- What happened to the middle-breakout that worked so well for the Oilers in the stretch drive last season?
THE BOSS -- Katz, as I've said, remains in MacT's corner, but don't mistake that for free licence to carry on indefinitely if the results don't change. Katz, MacT and Kevin Lower are friends, so it's not strictly a business relationship. That said, Katz is watching and he does expect results. If things don't change or get worse, I wouldn't be surprised to see MacTavish resign BEFORE the end of the season. That, of course, brings a whole new set of challenges -- naming a new coach etc etc. In that scenario, Lowe could go back behind the bench. That would bridge the gap until a new coach is found and it would also give him a chance to assess the roster. I don't see it as the likeliest outcome, but . . . If the team at least battles through and doesn't fold (but still misses the playoffs) after making a player move or two, I can see Katz blowing everybody out, or, ahem, suggesting they resign, in the off-season. The point is this: MacTavish doesn't have tenure here just because Katz backs him right now.
I have noticed a number of people taking shots at the "old boy club". Lowe, MacT, Simpson, Semenko, Huddy, and now Bucky have all taken turns at being burned on this website and others. The term "nepotism" has been brought up to describe it.
Am I the only one who thinks it's kinda neat having the alumni running the show? I like traditions and I am glad that we have that connection to the past - but it's not only that.
When you think about it, there are a LOT of ex Oilers from a decade of "glory years". That is a pretty broad base of talent pool to choose from. And these fellows were winners. Talent alone does not win cups. They understood what it takes to win and they brought it.
I am not happy about how the team is doing right now, but I believe that the people running it care even more than I do and know something about how to right it. Even good teams have ups and downs, so I am curious to see how things play out. No good coach or GM doesn't take risks and some work and some don't. There have been more of the latter recently but we could have a rash of the former and be a happy group in four games.
December 22 2008, 10:19AM
Cam wrote:
When you think about it, there are a LOT of ex Oilers from a decade of "glory years". That is a pretty broad base of talent pool to choose from. And these fellows were winners. Talent alone does not win cups. They understood what it takes to win and they brought it.
That was 20 years ago man. Hockey has changed. These players know what the coaching staff did then but let's be honest the Oilers had Gretz, Mess, Kurri, Anderson just to name a few. Unless any of those guys are going to come coach we need to rid ourselves of this trend. To me it's embarassing how the rest of the league views our franchise as an "old boys club". But what do I know, i'm only 20-something.
December 22 2008, 10:20AM
wow did I ever mess that up..we really do need an edit button.
this was my statement: That was 20 years ago man. Hockey has changed. These players know what the coaching staff did then but let's be honest the Oilers had Gretz, Mess, Kurri, Anderson just to name a few. Unless any of those guys are going to come coach we need to rid ourselves of this trend. To me it's embarassing how the rest of the league views our franchise as an "old boys club". But what do I know, i'm only 20-something.
December 22 2008, 10:23AM
Haha I suck at life.
December 22 2008, 10:45AM
rindog wrote:
Although, I do sometimes wonder if the media are permitted to actually be fans of the team??? Would that not make their jobs a lot more difficult if they actually had an emotional attachment to the team?? I can say honestly that I am no longer a FAN of the Oilers. You can't have an emotional attachment to the team. When they make the playoffs, I'd like to see them win because it is better for the FANS and the city, but for me, going to games is not an emotional rollecoaster. The only team I really cheer for now are the Miami Dolphins. I don't have a direct connection to them since they aren't in my city, so it wouldn't compromise my work in the media. I'm also not stupid enough to recognize that I might have a bias towards certain players or teams both positively and negatively. You can't be a fan of the team you cover, at least if you want to do it somewhat responsibly.
topshelf wrote:
That was 20 years ago man. Hockey has changed. These players know what the coaching staff did then but let's be honest the Oilers had Gretz, Mess, Kurri, Anderson just to name a few. Unless any of those guys are going to come coach we need to rid ourselves of this trend. To me it's embarassing how the rest of the league views our franchise as an "old boys club". But what do I know, i'm only 20-something.
Well, if a coach has played in "today's NHL" then he would be too inexperienced to be a Coach, since he would be too young. Pretty much all the coaches have a little grey in their beards by the time they earn their spot behind the bench.
Kurri may have been one heck of a player, but as a coach I don't know if he would be any good. Gretzky hasn't impressed me too much as a coach. Would Anderson make a good coach? I highly doubt it - he was always pissing people off. Messier - who knows. If Messier came on as head coach to replace MacT I bet people would be screaming for his head 14 minutes after the first loss, though.
Success on the ice means nothing when you get behind the bench. Sather and Muckler were good coaches, but neither of them were offensive geniuses when they played.
@ Jason Gregor:
I wasn't insinuating that it was a bad thing to not be a fan. I actually stated that it would make your job more diffucult if you were.
That is why I asked Robin and I will as you now:
What does MacT offer our club that no other coach does? Why is there such a hesitation to make a change? Are we concerned that if we let him go he will go on to win the Jack Adams trophy elsewhere? He's proven that he won't win it here!!!
I know you think I have blinders on - but I really can't think of ONE thing (as an outsider) that MacT does better than any other coach in the league. I realize that the other coaches are not perfect either but when you can look at the other coaches and see more positive things - is it wrong to question his worth to the team?
We constantly hear the term risk vs. reward. What are these rewards that we put up with to have to endure all of his risks?
He ran MAB out of town because his upside was not good enough to offset his weaknesses. Are MacTs strengths winning the battle against his deficiencies??
If you guys choose not give an answer (or if you don't have one) that is fine- but are the FANS unrealistic in wanting a change???
@ RobinB:
I guess we could chalk it up to semantics....
As an outsider it looks like the players are playing with the same passion that the coach shows on the bench.....none!!
Collectively we look lost. You mention the PK, the breakout, the line combinations. I can add the PP, the defensive zone coverage, the icetime allocation, the gross seperation between our forwards and our defense on the rush, etc. To me it seems like there are nothing but critiscms and not many (if any) positives. At what point do we stop blaming the players and look at the coach?
If you were Katz and had the power - would you fire the coach now? Even if he was your buddy?
Right from the start of the year I questioned our coaching. I heard from many of the local media that we need to give him time and that it was just the preseason. Then I heard that it was only 10 games - give him more time. At the 20 game mark we all read the quarterly report card and were told that it still wasn't enough time.
When IS the time???
Do we really have to wait and see if we can make another miracle push late in the season to find out?
I think you have really done a good job at laying out the scene for everyone and if they don't get it by now, I would give up on them.
I have wavered all season at balancing my respect for MacT with my desire to see him replaced. I do like the guy, but as you say the line randomness and a few other thing make me wonder. Sometimes I think he overcoaches with new and different plans every game (I get this just from reading/watching media coverage). I remember back when MacT was a 'we have to avoid mistakes' guy and players were playing so cautiously and confused it created a lot of problems. I almost think he needs as 'coachbuddy' to balance him out a bit.
Do you have any sense of what kind of approach that the team has to coaching. Is there a sense of 'team coaching' with the assitants, Lowe, Tambi, and others contributing to the discussion, or is it just MacT going into his secret lair and drawing up the line combo's for the next game?
rindog wrote:
What does MacT offer our club that no other coach does? Why is there such a hesitation to make a change? Are we concerned that if we let him go he will go on to win the Jack Adams trophy elsewhere? He's proven that he won't win it here!!!
I think you just changed the way I have been thinking about the coaching. Thank you. Seriously (I am not being sarcastic here).
I have been mildly preaching temperance with respect to MacT for a little while, but I think I will stop now and get out my headsman's axe. What is the worst that could happen - will our team start losing worse than they have been. I think 9-2 marks the low point of the season, somehow.
December 22 2008, 12:35PM
Cam wrote:
Success on the ice means nothing when you get behind the bench
Then why do we want old "glory day" oilers as coaches?
December 22 2008, 12:40PM
rindog wrote:
Collectively we look lost. You mention the PK, the breakout, the line combinations. I can add the PP, the defensive zone coverage, the icetime allocation, the gross seperation between our forwards and our defense on the rush, etc. To me it seems like there are nothing but critiscms and not many (if any) positives. At what point do we stop blaming the players and look at the coach?
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@ Cam: Cam wrote:
rindog wrote: What does MacT offer our club that no other coach does? Why is there such a hesitation to make a change? Are we concerned that if we let him go he will go on to win the Jack Adams trophy elsewhere? He's proven that he won't win it here!!! I think you just changed the way I have been thinking about the coaching. Thank you. Seriously (I am not being sarcastic here). I have been mildly preaching temperance with respect to MacT for a little while, but I think I will stop now and get out my headsman's axe. What is the worst that could happen - will our team start losing worse than they have been. I think 9-2 marks the low point of the season, somehow.
This is one of the motivating factors for me as well. I mean, its not like we are separating a mother from a child here or going through a divorce. This is a change from one NHL caliber coach to another NHL caliber coach. Its like when you replace your car - you are sad to see it go because you have a connection with it, but you are getting another car... People talk about MacT being a great coach and a genus, but one thing I have learned over the years is that you have to judge people by actual results, and by actual results MacT is OK, but not stellar.
topshelf wrote:
Cam wrote: Success on the ice means nothing when you get behind the bench Then why do we want old "glory day" oilers as coaches?
My comment was more in response to the argument that the glory day coaching staff we have doesn't include the big names of the day (Messier, Kurri, etc).
I have nothing against hiring from within provided that they ae qualified. Most succesful companies promote from within, and there are a LOT of ex-Oilers to choose from. If the best candidate comes from outside then that is fine (Pete Peeters, Billy Moores, Tambellini, Ed Olczyk), but don't discount somebodies qualifications simply because they are an old boy.
I think Buchberger would make a great coach. They loved him in Springfield. I think they should hire who they think is best for the job, and if it is an ex-Oiler then so what.
Cam wrote:
I think Buchberger would make a great coach.
Based on what? Missing the playoffs in the AHL in his only season as a head coach? Missing the playoffs as an AHL assistant coach with the Road Runners in 04-05?
Great? Really?
December 22 2008, 03:04PM
Cam wrote:
but don't discount somebodies qualifications simply because they are an old boy.
I wasn't discounting them on that factor I was just implying that that shouldn't be the only reason they are offered the job.


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Home run totals are back to normal. No one's hitting 70 home runs anymore. Even 50 dingers look like a stretch, unless the Miami Marlins move in their fences in beautiful but potentially empty Marlins Park to give their solitary star Giancarlo Stanton a shot at it. (If they did, would anyone notice?)
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No one had a worse spring training than baseball's most storied team, maybe ever.
"I think it's going to be a long year in New York," one National league scout said. "I look at that Yankees lineup, and I say, 'Who are these guys?'"
With two starting-position players leaving via free agency, three more getting hurt in winter or spring and legendary shortstop Derek Jeter still recovering from a broken ankle, at least to start the year the Yankees will field a lineup that appears in segments very manageable and almost unrecognizable. Small ball will be their style, at least to start. Rather hopefully, Yankees people are saying publicly that they believe their proven pitching will tide them over until some of the boppers get back. But behind the scenes, even many of their own people are skeptical.
"We're not going to sell many tickets if we get off bad," one longtime Yankees executive said, sounding worried.
Long track records and very big bucks aren't going to guarantee anything to anyone anymore. The Yankees, baseball's surest thing for 17 years -- they've averaged an astounding 97 wins the last 17 seasons, and made the playoffs every year but one -- have their highest ever $220 million-plus payroll. Yet, they are far from a certainty.
At least, the Yankees have plenty of company with big concerns in the biggest cities.
The Mets, still working their way back after surviving the Madoff scandal, seem to be shooting for 2014, or beyond. Johan Santana's possible career-ending shoulder injury and Shaun Marcum's continuing shoulder concerns considerably weaken their seeming strength, starting pitching.
Mets fans will get a taste of what's to come with dynamic right-hander Matt Harvey, who is believed ready to star in the rotation, plus young pitching prospects Zack Wheeler and Noah Syndegaard and brilliant-hitting young catcher Travis d'Arnaud not too far behind. But just a taste.
The big-market teams on the west coast, the Dodgers and Angels, certainly spent a lot of loot, so give them that. But both teams have to cope with uncertain chemistry and difficult divisions.
Los Angeles easily won the winter with the signings of Zack Greinke and Josh Hamilton by the Dodgers and Angels, respectively. But both teams had a fair amount of spring consternation (though nothing compared to the Yankees).
For the Dodgers, Greinke was slowed by an elbow issue and shortstop Hanley Ramirez was felled for a couple months with a broken thumb.
Meanwhile, the Angels were still trying to piece together a questionable 'pen as spring days dwindled.
Despite the really big-sticker buys, the real buzz in LA this spring was about Yasiel Puig, the newly signed slugging Cuban outfielder who hit over .500 this spring but was sent out because the Dodgers have expensive, accomplished veterans Carl Crawford, Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier covering their outfield.
The Dodgers and Angels certainly have the talent to win. But questions abound.
Same goes for other biggest market teams around baseball.
The Cubs, like the Mets, are building for later.
Shortstop Javier Baez (a "monster" one scout said), outfielders Jorge Soler and Albert Almora plus others should make the Cubs a power in a few years. But not this year, when a repeat July selloff is much more likely. The White Sox, who are used to being overlooked as the second team in the Second City, took a decidedly low-profile approach this winter, a strategy that has occasionally served them well. Their biggest pickup was good-hitting journeyman Jeff Keppinger, who like Puig hit about .500 this spring but unlike Puig, isn't likely to get anyone's juices flowing.
The Red Sox's restored pitching will help, as will a clubhouse minus Josh Beckett and Adrian Gonzalez, who'd both soured in Boston. They'll be much better. Yet hardly anyone expects them to win a very competitive American League East.
The Phillies helped themselves by adding veteran hit-maker Michael Young and speedy center fielder Ben Revere. Yet for all the excitement generated by their vaunted rotation only a couple years back, they still look like the clear third team in a tough National League East (at least at the top).
The believed-to-be two best teams in baseball aren't in the biggest markets.
But the Nationals and Tigers have something else in common. Their octogenarian owners -- Mike Ilitch in Detroit and Ted Lerner in Washington -- are determined to win a World Series. This just might be their year.
The Nats, who became the first Washington-based baseball team to win a playoff game since 1933 last year before falling to the cardiac Cardinals in an NLDS heartbreaker, easily look like baseball's most solid team on paper. They surpassed the Phillies (and everyone else last year) when they shocked folks by winning an MLB-best 98 games. And, looking at their roster -- seemingly complete and nearly flawless -- they are the logical favorite in the National League.
The Nats have a deep and strong lineup, two closers and maybe the best bullpen in baseball. But what really defines the Nats is their rotation. The young phenom Strasburg is back -- unchained and with no innings limit -- to lead them. But maybe the most impressive thing about this team is that Ross Detwiler is their No. 5 starter. The lefty who was a WBC participant would be a 3 -- or higher -- for many others.
If the Nats are a strong favorite in the National League, the Tigers are perhaps an even stronger favorite in the American League. As if the defending AL champions needed any extra help, they added free agent Torii Hunter, welcomed back tough-out Victor Martinez and signed playoff ace Anibal Sanchez for a full season.
The Tigers' only obvious flaw appears to be the lack of a closer. Iconic manager Jim Leyland said throughout spring he prefers to have one set closer, but it became clear near the end when the 100-mph-throwing Bruce Rondon, who had only eight innings at Triple-A and couldn't control his breaking ball, wasn't going to be it.
The Tigers look like they might go with an old idea, the closer by committee setup. They have enough proven relievers like Joaquin Benoit, Octavio Dotel and Phil Coke to make it work, and they are strong enough elsewhere that it may not matter much.
While the Nats and Tigers are -- and should be -- the favorites, many others threaten to upset them.
The Braves, with the Upton brothers joining a stacked lineup that should also get better with continued improvement of Jason Heyward and Freddie Freeman plus the expected return in late April of Brian McCann, should challenge Washington. Until McCann gets back, the Braves' best story may be hard-hitting rookie catcher Evan Gattis, a slugging former prospect trying to fashion a career after stints as a ski-lift operator, valet and janitor.
The Cardinals, widely hailed as the blueprint for all organizations, have their usual strong lineup plus a stash of young pitchers, most obviously Shelby Miller, Trevor Rosenthal and Joe Kelly. But the best one of all may be their No. 1 pick from last year, right-hander Michael Wacha out of Texas A&M, who wowed scouts all spring with a dynamic fastball-changeup combination. He'll start in the minors, but his ETA is anytime soon.
The Brewers were looking like they were going to go with an all 30-and-under rotation, but by the end of spring made the logical move to import star holdout Kyle Lohse, the excellent ex-Cardinal who'll bring lots of certainty and experience to the team that produced the most home runs, stolen bases and runs in the National league last year.
The Reds have a new center fielder, Shin-Soo Choo, and their old closer, Aroldis Chapman, after the spring plan to make him a starter was predictably abandoned soon after he said he wanted to keep closing.
The Diamondbacks will try to combine young pitching and unequaled grittiness to unseat the Giants but will begin the year without rookie leadoff man Adam Eaton, one of many spring casualties.
The Giants, world champions two of the past three years, brought back almost exactly the very team that won it all in 2012. To be exact, 21 of 25 returned, with the only exceptions being Xavier Nady, Guillermo Mota, Ryan Theriot and Aubrey Huff. And it's hard to say anything bad about a team with pitching, resolve and the great Buster Posey.
The Rays will keep trying to beat their payroll again with young stellar pitching in what could be the last year there for David Price, the 2012 Cy Young winner who's almost surely out of their price range, as soon as next winter.
The Indians have a new roster and a whole new energy with speedy Michael Bourn and fun Nick Swisher and Jason Giambi. But can they pitch? One thing about baseball nowadays is that it's not as predictable as it used to be. A couple notable upstarts got going last year, and there may be more coming.
The Orioles and Athletics are out to prove last year was no fluke. Baltimore won 16 straight extra-inning games to make the playoffs for the first time in 15 years (and for that matter, post their first winning season in that long, as well), and the A's outplayed their payroll by more than anyone in the game, thanks to wise signings, young pitching and a lot of energy. It was Moneyball, the sequel.
Both teams are back for more winning.
The Blue Jays, who haven't won anything of note in 20 years, loaded up with better pitching with the likes of Dickey, Mark Buehrle and Josh Johnson with the idea of hoping to compete with the Yankees -- although of course by the end, no one seemed to think the Yankees look like the team to beat, not after losing Curtis Granderson in his first at-bat of the spring and Mark Teixeira to a bizarre tee-ball accident.
The Royals, like the Jays a team that acquired a trio of starting pitchers via trade this winter (James Shields, Wade Davis and Ervin Santana in their case) via trade, look ready to contend. They were the best team all spring, not that that guarantees a thing.
The Mariners acquired five veteran hitters via trades or free agency, and if that doesn't produce more runs for the perennial limp lineup, they also moved in the fences and lowered the fence. They have a ton of great young pitchers on the way, with Brandon Maurer making the team and big prospects Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen and James Paxton probably not too far behind.
Almost anyone can get in the mix, save surely for the Marlins and Astros.
The Marlins' winter fire sale has left them with some nice prospects, very few fans and one likely unhappy superstar (based on his early tweets).
The Astros, meantime, appear to be shooting for the Mets territory -- 1962 Mets, that is.
Bud Selig's new baseball to reward the bottom feeders should encourage parity at a time it appears to be developing already. But the carrot of the first pick, the extra draft and international money may encourage a team or two to race to the basement in the second half.
For the other 28 or 29 teams, it should be quite a year.
Spring training, while longer than usual, featured some great new stories and coming stars. (Some of them even were on the old teams that need an injection of life.)
Domonic Brown found his old stroke, and once again looks like he's going to be a slugging star with the Phillies, who could use some new blood to go with holdover stars Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins and the rest.
Jackie Bradley Jr., a consistently polite on-base machine, livened things up in Red Sox camp, which featured half a new roster, a whole new coaching staff and new manager John Farrell, who is the old pitching coach there.
Many other future stars flashed their considerable abilities in spring camps, and could make an impact before long. Kevin Gausman (or Dylan Bundy) could prove to be the No. 1 starter the Orioles need. Allen Webster made the blockbuster deal with the Dodgers look even better in Boston.
Aaron Hicks appears ready to replace Danard Span (and Revere) as the Twins' new center fielder.
Leonys Martin looks prepared to hit and should get most of the playing time at center field for the Rangers.
Jedd Gyorko will give the Padres plenty of offense at his new position of second base.
Gerrit Cole and Jameson Taillon provide the Pirates hope to break their losing streak, but it may not be in Year 21.
Nolan Arenado showed he's going to be the Rockies' third baseman of the future, and he'll be back up before long.
Christian Yelich put on a power display in Jupiter, demonstrating the Marlins have help on the way. With Jake Marisnick and Marcell Ozuna, they already have their outfield of the future (assuming Stanton doesn't stay forever).
Oscar Tavares appears ready to crack the Cardinals' lineup, but they already have Matt Holliday, Jon Jay and Carlos Beltran.
And Anthony Rendon looks like a future star for the Nats, who don't really need much help.
Just about every team has someone young to be excited about.
Of course, if anyone could use new blood, it's the Yankees. The oldest team in baseball was the most injured team this spring. The Yankees picked up a new player every few days it seemed, and while they have no great new kids from the farm to unveil, they did acquire Ben Francisco, Brennan Boesch, Vernon Wells and Lyle Overbay in what one scout joked was akin to their version of a spur-of-the-moment "youth movement."
The Yankees still can spend cash -- this year, anyway. The old money team has figured a way to make it work well into a second decade of unabated success. But many wonder whether their time is finally up. Yes, it may finally be the end of an era, and the beginning of a new one.


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A Directory of UK Map Collections
From the Map Curators Group of the British Cartographic Society. Detailed information of map holdings in libraries and archives throughout the United Kingdom.
A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland
The complete online text of the 1837 edition of Samuel Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland.
Project of the National University of Ireland. Seeks to determine the origins and recent distribution of Irish surnames in Ireland. Currently includes surname distribution maps of Ireland for the surnames BRENNAN, CARNEY, COLLINS, CONNOLY, FOLEY, KENNY, KERR, KING, MORAN, & QUINN.
Ancestry.com - Search Maps, Atlases & Gazetteers
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Ireland Topographical Dictionary
Original source: Lewis, Samuel. A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland. Vol. I. London, England: S. Lewis and Co., 1837.
Range of antique maps specialising in good value items from c1900.
Online source of all maps Ordnance Survey Maps of Ireland.
Atlas and Cyclopedia of Ireland
The Atlas provides information on each of the 32 Irish counties, including origin of the county name, size and population, geographical features, ancient divisions and designations (including the main clans associated with each). There is also a map for each county, showing the cities, towns, villages and baronies, as well as the rivers and roads etc. The information on the population of the counties and major towns, and the clearly marked baronies on the individual maps, should prove of use and interest to genealogists involved in studying their Irish ancestry.
Genealogy clan maps of Scotland and Ireland and Irish and Scottish clan crest merchandise.
Surname distribution maps for the UK and Ireland.
Counties and Countries in Britain and Ireland
Many foreigners, and not a few British and Irish people, seem to get confused by the names of the countries and counties which make up these offshore islands.
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Books containing photographic images from around Great Britain taken by Frith & Company beginning in the 1860s.
Gardiner's Atlas of English History
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Gazetteer of British Place Names
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Skip to comments.Tampa Bay Times to begin employee buyouts
Posted on 03/06/2014 5:59:33 AM PST by shortstop
The Tampa Bay Times newspaper will begin offering buyouts to current workers in advance of a round of layoffs, according to company memos posted online.
This comes as the St. Petersburg-based newspaper faces increasing financial strain and works with business consultants to improve the companys financial results.
Employees will have between March 10 and 24 to consider the packages, which could include up to 13 weeks of severance, plus two extra weeks, according to a memo sent to employees by Human Resources Director Sebastian Dortch that was posted on the website of the Poynter Institute for Media Studies, which owns the Times.
Even if you are not interested, this is an opportunity to take stock of your place in the Times future, Dortch wrote. This is an important time to understand where you stand. After the buyout phase, it is clear that this work will result in some job reductions around the company.
The Times has been working to sell news bureaus, extra parking lots, the employee cafeteria and other assets to raise cash in recent years, and last December, the company took out a $28 million loan from a non-traditional lender, Boston-based Crystal Financial LLC. Half that amount went to pay off current debts and the full loan comes due in December 2016.
Both the Times and Poynter have seen their financial position strained in recent years, as have many media companies. The Times saw its Sunday circulation fall about 6 percent to 355,853, and daily circulation fall 4 percent Monday through Friday to 299,985, according to the Alliance for Audited Media.
The Times already conducted a round of layoffs in 2011 and temporarily cut pay in 2012. The companys most recent loan is backed by a half dozen parcels of real estate, including the companys headquarters in downtown St. Petersburg, part of which the Times recently made available for lease.
Times spokeswoman Jounice Nealy-Brown declined to answer questions about the moves, but sent a statement, reading, We are finding some ways to improve our results without compromising our quality. We want to support the colleagues whose jobs will be affected.
The bay area isn't large enough to support two papers, the Times and the Trib...
Where did they get the cash to buy the naming rights for the hockey rink then?
Bwahahahyahaha! LIBs appear either to be awakening and not buying that rag or more of them can't read.
It threw itself under the Obama bus.
St. Petersburg, err, Tampa Bay Times, Pravda Florida keeps falling. Unfortunately, our local rag, the Lakeland Ledger, has picked up many columnists columns from the TB Times. If it weren't for the local section of the Ledger, I'd cancel in a heartbeat. (They, the Ledger, charge to read on-line if you're not a subscriber)
Long time ago..when papers were flush..
Die, Commie Rag, Die
I'm hoping their first cost cutting measure will be to dump their entire editorial page staff. Then we can stop reading about how George Bush, Rick Scott and David Jolly- bad and Barack Obama and Alex Sink- good.
By many measures, the economy is improving steadily even if growth remains painfully slow. There have been 31 straight months of job growth, and more than 5 million private sector jobs have been created. The unemployment rate is down to 7.8 percent not great, but the same as when Obama took office. The stock market has come back, new housing starts are the highest in four years and housing prices in Tampa Bay and other areas are rising. The financial industry is stable, interest rates remain low and corporate profits are healthy. There is still too much economic pain, but America is better off than most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Da! Is good!
The smart ones will take the buyouts before TBT runs out of money.
Why? According to Obama and the Democrats, the economy is booming. Their circulation should be going through the sky. They should be hiring. Again, why?
Why? Maybe when your editorial policy pi$$es off half of your potential client base, you stand to lose a lot of potential customers. I live in Pinellas County but I subscribe to the Tampa Tribune. Not an overly conservative paper but definitely middle of the road. I start my day in a much better mood after quitting the Times.
I left the Tribune about 5 years ago. Haven't missed it yet and 50 years from now I will still be able to day ,"I haven't missed it yet".
Most of the columnists/contributors appear liberal....even if they claim to be Republican. This is a poor excuse for a newspaper. imho, the majority of the stories they write are either blatantly biased or written in a way to imply any Republican is 'bad'.
Most likely they place a restriction based on IP address. You can probably use a free IP Address mask like http://www.anchorfree.com/ and not bother paying for content that has no intrinsic value.
When you've used up your free articles on an IP address, just log off and back in again to your VPN and you'll look like another visitor to the website.
Aren't enough sheeple able to read, I bet Jeantel subscribes though, for the grocery coupons.
"This comes as the St. Petersburg-based newspaper faces increasing financial strain and works with business consultants to improve the companys financial results.
I'm still waiting for the politicians to start rebuking businesses who say this with the "Business is meant for public service, not private profit">
growing up it was informative and reasonable but boy has it become a liberal cheering worthless fish wrap.
Joe, I used to use the Times to wrap the fish, but it used to make the fish stink.
The Obama economy.
Will repost White House talking points for food.
St.Pete Times always was more liberal than the Tampa Tribune.
Then they became one and the same and unreadable.
Few "news reports" are truly factual.Almost all are "opinion" or otherwise slanted.They seem to be incapable of straight news.
If you want to learn about local events, look to foreign news sources, or monitor police/emergency frequencies.
The print press companies backed the wrong technology for the last few decades.
Instead of becoming more ethical, trustworthy and less political, they went full on full BS for marketing purposes.
Have you noticed that newspaper stands now mostly direct potential buyers inside?
I'm shocked that anyone still subscribes to them at all!
I can't wait for the Miami Herald and Sun-Sentinel to finally assume room temperature.
The Tampa Bay Times (formerly St Petersberg Times) is rabidly lib. If the main news story of the day is complimentary to conservatives, they totally abandon the idea of running any news headline at all and use an op-ed or poll as the headline.
Their most loved agenda item is how nobody in FL pays enough taxes.
I won't even buy them for the coupons, so I am proud to say I am part of their problem.
My "favorite" endorsement was a judgeship. It ran something like this. "This person is reasonable, has wonderful experience, blah, blah, blah. The other person is also qualified, but not quite as much, but is black. We feel diversity is most important, so we recommend the black candidate over the other one."
I kid you not. It was staggering.
Wow. I quit my subscription. The Tampa Tribune started a St. Petersburg Tribune that's a lot more economical. Tampa Bay Times has so many different price ranges - that makes no sense whatsoever. What's the price for everybody? Anyway, gonna try the St. Pete Tribune instead.
Their renewal dept isn't very good either. I was certain that my renewal was in the fall but when I called, they said, it was this February. So, I got months and months of newspapers for free cuz their billing was messed up even after I tried to correct them. Switching to St. Petersburg Tribune instead.
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Graveside services for Quinton Ross Taggart will be held at 10 a.m. on Tuesday, July 8 at Cortez Cemetery. Pastor Anthony Maes will officiate.
Visitation has been scheduled for Monday afternoon from 4-6 p.m. at Ertel Memorial Chapel.
Quinton was born Aug. 13, 1965, in Denver, Colo. and he left this earth to be with God on Tuesday, July 2, 2014. He left behind his wife of 30 years, Angel; his two boys, Ian Taggart (Heidi Wilkerson) and Derek Taggart (Aubrey Camp); his mother, Kathy Wofford; his father, John Taggart; his brother, Chad Taggart (Machelle); four granddaughters, Lillie Taggart, Star Taggart, Macie Taggart, and Presley Wilkerson; his in laws, Jim and Lolita Finley and Jami Dennison; his nieces and nephews, Kinsey Dennison, Kylie Dennison, Dante Dennison, Isaiah Dennison, Desiree Taggart, Holly Taggart, and Jaycee Taggart; and his great-nephew, Tachen Swank. Quinton also left behind several cousins. He was preceded in death by his older brother, Lonnie Taggart; his step-father, Carlton "Shorty" Wofford; his sister-in-law, Denise "Dee-Dee" Finley Thomas; and by his grandfather, Ivan Taggart.
Quint, as he was fondly referred to by his friends and family, was an avid outdoorsman. He loved fishing, hunting and camping with his family and friends. Quint loved being a truck driver and will be missed by all the flaggers who lovingly referred to him as the "Candy Man." Memorial contributions may be made in Quinton Taggart's name at Dolores State Bank.
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Hockey Daze in Canada
Jean Lefebvre
January 30 2010 07:49AM
Surely there must be a way for both of the rag-tag Alberta clubs' losing streaks to continue beyond tonight's tilt at One of the The Many Houses Frankie Musil Built.
The Elias Sports Bureau tells us this is already the first National Hockey League contest in more than 22 years to feature a matchup of clubs on winless skids of at least nine games and, goshdarn it, why can't the fun carry on into February?
Picture this -- the game goes scoreless through regulation and overtime (shots after 65 minutes of "play" are 11-8 in favour of the Oil; the fights are 6-4 for Calgary). The shootout drags on and on and on with no one being able to score. Devan Dubnyk and Curtis McElhinney are called upon as the next shooters while, just in case, assistant coaches Kelly Buchberger and Dave Lowry remove their jackets and start perusing the stick rack for a weapon.
At this point, the referees are called over to the penalty time-keeper's area to take a phone call from Mission Control in Toronto. Mike Murphy, who accidentally turned on the Calgary-Edmonton game during a commercial break of the Minnesota-San Jose affair, tells the zebras that, in the name of decency, Jari Kurri, Joe Mullen and all that is good about the sport of hockey, the game has been called a double forfeit.
Heck, maybe the NHL should call this one off before it even begins, if only to save us all from the 4,824 mentions of "Something's got to give in tonight's Battle of Alberta" during the CBC's Hockey Day in Canada telethon.
It's been three weeks since the Flames last tasted victory -- a shootout triumph that launched Calgary into top spot of the Northwest Division. The Flames have since leaked down to third in the division and ninth in the conference, with a bunch of clubs lining up behind them.
For Edmonton, it's been exactly a month since a "W" has been claimed (at least scoring more goals than Toronto still counts as a victory in most North American jurisdictions). The Oilers were already 15th in the Western Conference at that point, but the subsequent cataclysm means the Copper 'n' Blue is now 13 points behind the 14th-place squad. In addition, the Carolina Hurricanes, who were nine points behind the Oil on Dec. 30, are now five points ahead with Monday's Edmonton-Carolina Basement Bowl (available on pay-per-view!) looming.
The Flames can theoretically console themselves with the knowledge that a win or two gets them back into the top eight, although a cynic will undoubtedly mention that sneaking into the post-season only earns Calgary the right to get paddled by either San Jose or (yikes!) Chicago.
In Edmonton, the silver lining comes in the form of the debate between which of the top-flights prospects -- Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin -- would look best in Oilers colours. This is where the Oil has it all over the Flames, who don't own a pick in the first two rounds of the 2010 teenage talent harvest and will be left to choose between guys like Brock Beukeboom, Devante Smith-Pelly, Kevin Gravel, Brandon Archibald and Jason Zucker at approximately the 70th slection.
It will be interesting to see what the ratings are like for tonight's game, which certainly has a rubbernecking, watching-NASCAR-for-the-crackups appeal to it. With this being the final Battle of Alberta of the season and Calgary having won the first five matchups, it probably shouldn't be too hard for the Oilers to work themselves into a lather, especially when there's a chance to stretch a Flames losing streak to double digits while ending the Oilers' own epic slide.
As Robin Brownlee has already suggested, this could be a good one despite the combined 21 losses in a row by the two teams heading into the contest. Besides, what the hell else are you going to do? Break down the matchups for tomorrow's Pro Bowl?
Awesome picture. We had a print in our house for years, since my brother was a Flames fan and I followed the Oilers.
Sadly I was trying to entice some bets from the flames faithful at the local senior game last night. No one cared, they were as vehement in their hatred of the Kingsuttersquared mess as Oiler fans. In the words of one prophet... both organizations are in the same place, one just has a head start.
Its bad when fans of both organizations are arguing over who has it worse.
Frankly, with all the talk of Souray having moderate trade value, my thinking is, that if Calgary were to blow up their roster (which won't happen, they'll keep Kiprusoff, Iginla, Bouwmeester) they'd atleast have valuable chips to move.
While Rene Bourque is proving to be a valuable commodity, its sad when he is your second leading scorer.A Dustin Penner should be the second leading scorer (an indictment of the Oilers sad state of affairs)
And one of Regehr/Phaneuf should get you a 5-6 million dollar scorer (I wonder how Cammalleri would do in Calgary?)
I say we "suck for Seguin" and call er a day
January 30 2010, 11:33AM
Despite the current losing streak, this has been a great week for hockey!
Gretzmas, The mighty Oilers Nation's 2nd birthday, AND Hockey Day in Canada!
I believe that all 3 of these occasions call for a national holiday... Petition anyone?
Regehr does not get you much at all, let alone a 5-6 million dollar scorer. He is arguably as bad as Souray and at a similar point in his injury prone/lost a step/the best of him was yesterday/payed a truckload/ point in his career.
Ottawa, Vancouver and Calgary... easy Sports Select Saturday.
January 30 2010, 12:24PM
Ottawa, Vancouver and Calgary... easy Sports Select Saturday.
Why would you pick Calgary to win over Edmonton when you could pick Chicago to win over Carolina for a better payout?
Regehr does not get you much at all, let alone a 5-6 million dollar scorer. He is arguably as bad as Souray and at a similar point in his injury prone/lost a step/the best of him was yesterday/payed a truckload/ point in his career.
I'm sure Washington wouldn't balk at parting with nylander for him.
Psst, " gunnin' 4 Seguin". Pass it on.
Why would you pick Calgary to win over Edmonton when you could pick Chicago to win over Carolina for a better payout?
carolina is on a winning roll of their own
I'm sure Washington wouldn't balk at parting with nylander for him.
nylander is playing in finland for jokerit
January 30 2010, 02:18PM
carolina is on a winning roll of their own
Chicago, though? I guess we'll see.
Why would you pick Calgary to win over Edmonton when you could pick Chicago to win over Carolina for a better payout?
I got Chicago on a combo ticket with some college hooops. I wanted one ticket for the 3 CBC games. That one will be a solid game on a 5 game combo
January 30 2010, 02:38PM
Ottawa, Vancouver and Calgary... easy Sports Select Saturday.
Ottawa and Montreal in OT...
Ottawa and Montreal in OT...
Thank-you Fisher!!! I guess thats why they pay him 4.2 million, wins the draw in his own zone, takes the pass a makes it count. Cant see Horcoff or Moreau pulling that off tonight.
I'm sure Washington wouldn't balk at parting with nylander for him.
Im sure Washington wouldnt balk at anything for Nylander. George McPhee likely tried to trade him for something, but how difficult would that have been, if we're discussing the lack of value for Souray/Regehr.
To be honest, I'm amazed that Calgary fans don't see Regehr as a better commodity. I think of all the Flames talented defensemen, he has to be the most hated by the opposition, for the way hes been able to shut down/beat the crap out of Hemsky for the last few years.
Chicago, though? I guess we'll see.
told ya carolina is the team to pick
2 for 2 so far now I just need the oil to continue to be the most consistent team in the NHL.


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