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Tuesday, November 23, 2010
Jews and Evangelicals
There is no way to get on the inside of the who-is-chosen question without unpacking the quirky relationship Evangelicals have with Jews, both embracing them and condemning them to eternal damnation. This has to be one of the odder relationships ever concocted, sort of like those news stories that crop up once in a while about how a cat befriends a hamster.
Evangelicals brood over the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. But then He started a whole "new" religion that instantly was in conflict with the Jews. To Us Real Christians (as I once thought of us) there were Actual Jews and then there were Real Jews. Evangelicals' believe that they are also The Chosen People. Some Evangelicals believe they are the only chosen people now. Others think that the Jews are still chosen, too.
But at the beginning of the Church that "new" religion was made up mostly of Jews -- Paul and company. So Jews were a big deal to my Evangelical family. We, as with most Evangelicals, liked Jews, and feared them, and felt sorry for them.
Conflicted is the word.
Who the Jews "are" (from the Evangelical theological point of view) is a big deal to Christians. It should be to all Americans, too. It has a direct impact on American policy, given the sway of religion in America.
My late father, Francis Schaeffer, was a key founder and leader of the Religious Right. My mother Edith was also a spiritual leader, a formidable and adored religious figure whose books and public speaking, not to mention biblical conditioning of me, directly and indirectly shaped millions of lives.
Mom loved to try to "save" Jews (she even wrote a book called Christianity Is Jewish) and especially the ones already interested in spiritual matters -- or "Jew Stuff" as I always thought of such things when Mom carried on and on and on about a Jew she'd just met and the "great conversation we had about Passover's true meaning," or whatever. Mom urged her kids to find ways to talk to any Jew we met about "Old Testament prophecies being fulfilled" as a way to "open a door."
For a time, I joined my Dad in pioneering the Evangelical anti-abortion Religious Right movement and we worked with several neoconservative Jews. They weren't interested in our "issue," but we all were rooting for Israel. In the 1970s and early 80s, when I was in my 20s, I evolved into an ambitious, "successful" religious leader/instigator in my own right. And I wasn't just Dad's sidekick. I was also Mom's collaborator in her well-meant if unintentionally hilarious plot to "reach the world for Jesus." Converting Jews was part of that program.
I was put in touch with radically pro-Israel, anti-Arab, far-right, Islam-bashing neoconservatives. This "bridge-building," in turn, introduced me to Norman Podhoretz, the editor of Commentary magazine, who was using the Republican Party (and/or being used by it) to advance his single issue -- support for the State of Israel -- just as I was doing the same for my single issue -- abortion.
Commentary had emerged in the 1970s as the neoconservatives' flagship publication. I regularly reprinted some of their articles as books or as essays in my Evangelical newspaper. And when my mother raised $50,000 from her pal in Dallas, multimillionaire Mary Crowley, (founder of Home Interiors and Gifts, Inc.), to launch Mom's new book, Forever Music (1986), Podhoretz lent his support.
Mom used Crowley's money to rent Alice Tully Hall at Lincoln Center and hire the Guarneri Quartet. Mom's "best friends" -- about 500 of them -- showed up for the gala concert, including Podhoretz and his wife Midge Decter and their entourage. (I had invited them.)
I remember smiling at the bemused expressions on the faces of the members of the quartet while they sipped drinks at the reception after the concert and tried to figure out how the hell these two groups could possibly occupy the same space: the cream of the New York neoconservative Zionist intellectuals and a passel of mink-draped, diamond-crusted Southern Baptist Texans asking everyone if they had a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
I changed my mind about being an Evangelical -- I'm one no longer -- and also about my politics. I moved from far right to moderate liberal. I wrote a book to explain why: Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back. I no longer ride around "saving" America for God nor am I a regular on religious TV and radio these days.
Most American Evangelicals believe that to "be a Christian" means that you must give your full support to the extremist elements in the State of Israel, the sorts of chosen people busily constructing a new type of apartheid in the Promised Land. Many Evangelicals believe that God loves some people lots more than others and that He loves Jews most of all.
For instance, John Hagee, mega-church pastor and founder of Christians United for Israel, said: "For 25 almost 26 years now, I have been pounding the Evangelical community over television. The Bible is a very pro-Israel book. If a Christian admits 'I believe the Bible', I can make him a pro-Israel supporter or they will have to denounce their faith. So I have Christians over a barrel you might say."
But it's more complex than simply having a soft spot for Jews trying to populate "Judea and Samaria" (as they like to call land stolen from Arabs after the Six Day War of 1967). You see, to Us Real Christians, Real Jews were the Good Jews in the Old Testament, and after Jesus arrived (thus "fulfilling the prophecies" of the Old Testament) they were the Jews who accepted the Messiah.
Don't get me wrong: Us Real Jews weren't anti-Semites just because we said that the actual Jews killed Jesus. Like Hagee and company, we loved Jews-Born-That-Way-Who-Stayed-That-Way, even if (according to our Bible and/or Mel Gibson) their great, great grandparents had -- in a rather imprudent moment -- killed God.
We didn't blame them for killing God. If you're predestined to fulfill a prophecy you're going to do it. And so we didn't blame the modern State of Israel's government for its brutality either. They too were merely "fulfilling prophecy."
Mom often said that the "miraculous return of the Jews to Israel is just one more thing that proves the Bible is true." That would not have happened if the Jews hadn't killed Jesus, been exiled, suffered the Holocaust -- "just what was needed to turn Zionism into a mainstream movement in order to fulfill prophecy" as Dad noted -- and returned to Israel, in order to pave the way for the return of Christ.
The Jews may have thought their return to Palestine was all about them. Of course Us Real Christians knew better, it was all about Us.
The American Evangelicals, following the Puritan's conceit of their special "call," cling to the concept of American exceptionalism, some sort of a setting apart to be special and lead the world to a better place. In other words, we're better than other people and must show the way, or at least force it on others through our non-stop wars, sort of like the Jews of the Old Testament.
Frank Schaeffer is a writer. his books include Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back
18 comments:
- Janet said...
Dear Mr. Schaeffer, Thank you for speaking up. I cannot tell you what a comfort it is for me to read your words. To read words that come from a person who has gone before me and experienced the same things that I am experienced. The feeling of isolation because you don't agree with your "crowd" is a feeling that I've come to accept. My mother and father are avid Zionist, although I don't think they know they are and if they understood the meaning. Just last week I received an email telling me how proud I should be of the PM of Canada because he proclaimed is unwaivering support of Isreal....how ashamed and damned America will be now because of the President not standing 100% with Israel. "May God have mercy on America" were her words. Funny thing is, after reading Obama's transript, I saw nothing that indicated his finger pointing to Israel. They are so blind and "Crazy" for God that they don't see how rediculous they sound, act or look. I can imagine she is praying for God to have mercy on me for not supporting Israel 100%. This issue, among others, has severed my relationship with my parents. Very sad. Keep Speaking out Mr. Schaeffer. There are thousands of us out here. Sincerely, Janet
- November 23, 2010 at 3:45 AM
- Samuel said...
I think that most people think their parent's view of global politics were wrong. This is why holidays are so fun. I'm 30 - few (if any) of my evangelical peers are uncritical of Israel the way you describe evangelicals to be.
- November 23, 2010 at 6:20 AM
- Frank Schaeffer said...
Janet: I'm pleased you read the article and find encouragement. Thanks so much for saying so.
Samuel: I think you're right, there is a generational change among Evangelicals on lots of "issues." The problem is that since religion tries to "understand" the world, say the State Of Israel, from a biblical point of view politics gets mired in Bronze Age myth. Not so good.
- November 23, 2010 at 7:19 AM
- Mark DeYoung said...
Christian Zionism is a relatively new belief system. It may also have it origins in the United States.
We have a political establishment in America that lives in fear of the Israeli lobby. It is truly a case of the tail wagging the dog. The rest of the world knows this.
Instead of cutting aid in order to get Israel to stop building settlements, the American government is going to bribe them. http://www.slate.com/id/2274918?wpisrc=obinsite
What is scary about this relationship, we face the real prospect that if Israel goes to war with Iran, the American political establishment will drag us into it. John Hagee wants America to launch pre-emptive strikes on Iran in order to protect Israel. While Hagee is a quack, I am sure there are many people in power who agree with him.
It is absurd the America is obsessed with Israel, a small country on the other side of the planet with six million citizens, while Mexico falls apart, Brazil is becoming a major economic power and China owns our national debt.
- November 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM
- Frank Schaeffer said...
Hi Mark, thanks for the comment and I could not agree more. "Absurd" is the word. Someday people will spend years of academic study trying to figure out how and why America wasted billions of dollars and tens of thousands of American lives trying to "keep Israel safe" when actually there is nothing we can do for them anyway given the demographic reality of the Middle East.
- November 23, 2010 at 12:21 PM
- Susan said...
Mark overestimates the "Israel lobby". I oppose the settlements, but with friends like these..., American Jews are in trouble.
Frank, it is not possible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as one's savior. I call what your mother was trying to do an attempt at spiritual genocide. If your mother was successful, there wouldn't be a single Jew left on the planet.
I participated in an interfaith group of Christians and Jews. We all agreed to not try to convert one another, otherwise it is a sham.
- November 23, 2010 at 5:31 PM
- Susan said...
A Zionist is simply someone who thinks that there Jews should have a state where they can control their own destiny. It is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people. Being a Zionist does not mean that one must support any particular position on the boundaries of the state of Israel. It is perfectly possible to oppose "Christian Zionism" and still be a Zionist.
- November 23, 2010 at 7:03 PM
- Luke Gillespie said...
Frank, another fine post. Also, I echo the comments above by Janet, Samuel, and Mark.
I've always wondered about the "Christian" religious right's love/hate of the Jews. Some of the most anti-semitic people I've met on the religious right are the most pro-Israel, and even if they are not anti-semitic, they still seem to be more interested in Israel as part of some silly literal eschatology rather than being sincerely interested in Jewish people themselves.
Back in the early 1970s after the publication of Hal Lindsey's book ("The Late, Great Planet Earth"), I remember my father saying how misguided it was to interpret contemporary political events, in the world in general and in Israel in particular, as literal fulfillments of biblical prophecy. My father said this as a Southern Baptist missionary to Japan (1947-1978). He probably considered himself to be an evangelical who felt "called" to follow Christ and "love your enemies" (namely, the Japanese people during WWII), but I never heard him use political words to describe himself (whether "conservative" or "liberal"), and he loathed the televangelists who preached "Christian zionism" and their literal politicizing of scripture as much as he loathed anti-semitic views. His political comments were influenced by the early Baptists from England who called themselves "Separatists" because they advocated the separation of church and state (he had no interest in the government being in the business of teaching Sunday School, and he was against, along with the Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs at that time, prayer in schools: "Whose prayer are you going to pray?" he would say). He was also against having a "Christian flag" in churches and would say "the kingdom of God is in one's heart," not a flag or country or "Zionist" politics. The "Christian flag" struck him as being a ridiculous (if not blasphemous) militaristic attempt at promoting "American Churchianity" (so it may come as no surprise that he was also a pacifist). If he was alive today, he would be speaking out against such political posturing by the religious right masquerading under faux religious values.
To Susan: you say "it is not possible to be Jewish and accept Jesus as one's savior," but you'd have to tell that to the thousands of Messianic Jews who have done just that. They see no conflict with their Jewish/Messianic/Christian faith at all and embrace Yeshua as their Messiah. Is being Jewish, by definition, an exclusively religious phenomenon? What about those Jews who have no interest in religion or faith and are atheists? They still consider themselves Jews (are they any less "Jewish" because they are atheists?). If being a Jew or being Jewish is not exclusively a religious phenomenon, then every one of them would still be a Jew and Jewish, even if Frank's mother had been successful in converting all of them. And I know of a number of Christians who consider themselves, rightly or wrongly, part of "spiritual Israel" and call themselves Jewish (whether they say they are "Christian Jews" or "Jewish Christians").
Your interfaith group with Jews and Christians is surely a good idea, Susan. I have participated in interfaith Thanksgiving services with Jewish, Baptist, and Lutheran congregations all together (located on the same block). There are readings from both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, and no one tries to convert. May I also recommend the PBS "Point of View" (POV) documentary that first aired Dec 13, 2001, called "PROMISES" (interviews Arab and Jewish kids and shares their attitudes and feelings toward each other).
- November 24, 2010 at 2:21 AM
- Susan said...
"you'd have to tell that to the thousands of Messianic Jews who have done just that. They see no conflict with their Jewish/Messianic/Christian faith at all..."
If a "Messianic Jew" say that are Jewish, they are lying, deluded or just plain wrong. Some Jews become "Messianic Jews" because they are ignorant of Judaism. They may believe that they are still religiously Jewish, but they are not. There is a conflict between their belief in Jesus as savior and Judaism. Judaism accepts not savior but God. In Judaism, the Messiah is not a savior. The Messiah brings an age of perfect peace and goodness, but the Messiah does not save anyone's soul, only God does that. Nor is it compatible with Judaism to believe that Jesus is the son of God or God. Jews have never conflated God and the Messiah.
When one converts to Judaism, one becomes part of the Jewish people as well. When one becomes Christian they means that they are no longer part of the Jewish people. It is true that Jews are an ethnic and a national group as well as a religious group. Yes, you can be an atheist Jew, but that is not the same thing as becoming a Christian.
ut you'd have to tell that to the thousands of Messianic Jews who have done just that. They see no conflict with their Jewish/Messianic/Christian faith at all
Boston College, a Catholic college, has developed a program of handouts and videos called Walking With God for Christian and Jewish interfaith groups. One can find it on their web site. It is excellent.
- November 24, 2010 at 3:30 AM
- Morrison said...
Frank, the Jews are apparently a real Cobb Up Your Ass, aren't they.
But you need to understand something.
The Jews practically rolled over and died in World War Two.
Ain't gonna happen again, sport, so wise up.
- November 24, 2010 at 6:45 PM
- Luke Gillespie said...
@ Susan: the Messianic Jews I've known are quite learned about Judaism. That doesn't make them "right," but to say "they are lying, deluded or just plain wrong" sounds like you're advocating a narrow view of what it means to be a Jew or Jewish. The salvation references in the Hebrew Bible may not necessarily be referring to the Messiah (though some scholars might say that the word for Messiah, "Yahshua," actually means "YAH is salvation"), but to say that the Messiah is the one who "brings an age of perfect peace and goodness" and is not a savior sounds like splitting hairs.
The fact that "Jews have never conflated God and the Messiah" is not quite true. Most of the early Christians, including Paul and perhaps all of the New Testament writers (except Luke) were Jews and thought they were embracing a new sect of Judaism. The fact that a group of Jews more recently have equated God and the Messiah in similar ways doesn't mean that these Jews can't retain their Jewishness any less than the early Christians. And what about the Rabbi several years ago who said he believed in the resurrection of Jesus (as a prophet of God), though he didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah? Is this Rabbi "too liberal" or "too close" to relinquishing his religious Jewishness?
You say one "becomes part of the Jewish people" when one converts to Judaism. Exactly how does that happen? If being Jewish is both a religious and ethnic designation, as you say, can one become a Jew ethnically when one converts to Judaism? By what standards does one measure the "purity" level of being Jewish ethnically and religiously? Are Gentiles who have converted to Judaism over the centuries less "pure" than their ethnically Jewish brethren?
If we agree with the ethnic definition of a Jew, then a Jew could not lose this ethnic identity by converting to Christianity. If being Jewish is inextricably linked to one's religious identity, how can a Jew retain complete Jewishness by being an atheist? From a religious standpoint, I fail to see how being a Jewish Christian or a Christian Jew (the early Christians) would be considered contradictory. One could say that the book of James basically talks about Christian "works" and Jewish "faith" (unusual for the New Testament, but no less profound).
Thanks for the Boston College interfaith info. I'm sure we would both agree that groups like that are quite positive, and I see no need for people to try to "convert" each other. Embracing another faith (even in part), however, will surely have an impact on one's initial faith, but to say that the new faith, by definition, destroys or eliminates the old faith (in this case, Christian and Jewish faith) sounds too narrow.
Maybe Judaism and Christianity are not as mutually exclusive as some would believe, and maybe the distinctions you are making about Jews and their ethnic, religious and national identities are not as concrete as you may imply. And maybe the alleged concrete lines between Jews, Christians and Gentiles are simply a chimera and meant to be broken. I think that's what Jesus was trying to tell us, as he claimed to "fulfill" the Jewish law (Matthew 5:17-20), even as he allegedly broke the Jewish law, and also Paul, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female" (Galatians 3:28), quite radical words back then and still today. They sound like an indictment of both the "American exceptionalism" that Frank exposes so well and any notion of "ethnic cleansing," whether done by Hitler, or any other dictator or totalitarian regime, in the name of religion, science, politics or whatever.
- November 25, 2010 at 2:27 AM
- Susan said...
Luke, the Hebrew world for Messiah is Mashiach. It literally means anointed one in Hebrew.
My point about becoming part of the Jewish people when one converts is the exact opposite of ethnic purity.
I know that in the Philadelphia area the founder of a "Messianic Jewish" group was a Christian who legally changed his name to a Jewish sounding name and declared himself a "Messianic Jew".
- November 25, 2010 at 2:49 AM
- Luke Gillespie said...
@ Susan: Yes, I'm aware of the word meaning "anointed one" in Hebrew. I'm also aware that some "Messianic Jews" have their names legally changed, as you say, but so what? That still doesn't answer my questions about the early Christians being as Jewish as any Jew who has ever lived and all other Jews who believe they have embraced their Judaism by embracing Jesus as the Messiah. I'm not asking Jews to do this. I'm simply saying that many who do it feel that they are doing exactly what the early Christians (who were Jews) did. Are you saying that this Jewish "sect" was wrong? Are you saying they have betrayed the Jewish faith? Are you saying they are no longer Jewish and have relinquished the right to call themselves Jews?
If, as you say, becoming part of the Jewish people when one converts is the exact opposite of ethnic purity (and I would hope that you are, of course, right) and religious faith trumps ethnicity, then how does a Jew retain being a Jew if he/she becomes an atheist? Is one more Jewish as an atheist rather than as a Christian? Again, tell that to the early Christians (who were Jews and probably followed Jewish law much more rigorously than many current Jews).
The Jewish existentialist writer, Martin Buber, and his excellent essays, "ECLIPSE OF GOD," compliment my own faith, and I'm aware of some Jews who actually embrace the teachings of Jesus (and, as I mentioned before, even a Rabbi who believed in Jesus' resurrection), without necessarily "believing" that he was the Messiah. This need or requirement to "renounce" Jesus (to be a "faithful" Jew) as if he provoked other Jews (the early Christians) to become "Jew-haters" or whatever seems silly to me, and I wonder if it contributes to the problem just as much as Christians who claim that the "Jews killed Jesus" and other nonsensical statements.
You speak of Jews having to renounce Jesus as the Messiah as a kind of litmus test to retain their Jewishness, but there are clearly some Jews who don't agree with you. I would assume that some orthodox Jews would claim that you are not being truly Jewish unless every detail of the law is followed (in daily practice). If so, it sounds just like those right-wing Christians who would claim that I am not a true Christian because I don't interpret the Bible in exactly the same way as they do or my politics are too progressive.
Perhaps it all boils down to how people interpret things (what things to interpret literally, what things to interpret figuratively, and so on), and I believe one problem is exactly as Frank has described.
May I add another quote: "I don't want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it" (from Rev. Billy Graham, no less, back in 1981--I believe he was quite right and his words have, sadly, come to pass!).
- November 25, 2010 at 1:53 PM
- Susan said...
Luke, yes there were Jews who thought that Jesus was the Messiah, but they thought that a Messianic Age would eventually follow Jesus. That has not happened. If Jesus was the Messiah, we would be living in an age if peace and non-violence. That has not happened. None of things that were supposed to happen when the Messiah came happened. It is very different to believe that Jesus was the Messiah in the ancient world than it does now.
Christianity did split from Judaism and it split for a good reason. I am open to limitless interpretations of the Bible and of Judaism, but I am not so open that my head can fall out. I don't know anyone who is a part of any branch of Judaism that disagrees with me on this. Jews should be allowed to define Judaism.
An atheist Jew has not left Judaism. He or she can return to a belief in God at any time. A "Messianic Jew" has become a Christian. They are not equivalent.
- November 26, 2010 at 6:12 AM
- Luke Gillespie said...
@ Susan: That's fine that "Jews should be allowed to define Judaism," as long as you allow others to define their views, but it sounds to me like there are blurred boundaries that need to be acknowledged a little more than you have (I have equally disagreed with your characterization of what Christians are supposed to believe).
I'm not disagreeing with you entirely in your last paragraph, but to say that "an atheist Jew has not left Judaism" makes no sense since Judaism requires belief in God. Sure, he or she can return to belief in God (and Judaism), but so can someone who claims another faith for a period of time or temporarily believes in a different kind of God.
It may be, at least to some extent, "very different to believe that Jesus was the Messiah in the ancient world than it does now," and the early Jews who believed that Jesus was the Messiah may have believed that a "Messianic Age would eventually follow Jesus," but many would disagree with how you characterize this belief when you say "That has not happened." You say that none of the things "that [was] supposed to happen when the Messiah came happened," but, of course, you understand that the whole history of Christianity and its traditions and writings would say that these things have, indeed, happened, at the very least, and perhaps the most important, in one's heart.
Maybe the whole notion that the Messiah would bring an "age of peace and non-violence" has nothing to do with a literal political and social peace and non-violence. (If you still believe that the Messiah will eventually come and do this literally, I'm afraid you will be waiting forever.) Maybe the whole notion of believing in and living by a set of traditions, rules and regulations, whether it's about diet, clothing, appearance or anything else in one's daily routine (let alone claiming some kind of exclusive "ethnic exceptionalism" and its fundamentalistic variants--I'm not speaking of you, but others), has little or nothing to do with faith. So, I do not accept your literal interpretation of what Jews think Christians believe or are supposed to believe about the Messiah, then or now. Maybe the whole point of faith has nothing to do with literal interpretations of anything except to say that "God is love" and the "age of peace and non-violence" can only be found in one's heart: "The kingdom of God is within you" (Tolstoy got that right!).
You and I may have more in common than you think, especially in the "interfaith" groups you spoke of in an earlier comment (as you know, sadly, some Jews and Christians would not agree with such a group). I'm just skeptical about those who interpret their traditions so literally, whether Jewish or Christian, that they miss the forest for the trees.
- November 26, 2010 at 12:29 PM
- Susan said...
Luke, there is an interpretation of the Bible that says that the Messiah will come when he is no longer needed. Obviously, most Jews are not sitting and waiting for the Messiah to come.
I don't interpret the Bible "so literally". I don't think that there is just one right interpretation of the Bible. I just think there is a difference between seeing what you what to see in the Bible or finding a rationalization of your beliefs in the Bible and seeing what is really there.
You have also ignored that for Jews Christianity has caused the death of millions of Jews, excluding the Holocaust. Not only was there not a world of peace and goodness brought by Jesus, there was hatred and what one Protestant theologian called "the theology of contempt" instead.
- November 28, 2010 at 3:19 AM
- Luke Gillespie said...
@ Susan, those who have said and done the things you speak of have nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings. Individuals who have "hijacked" Christianity and used Christian jargon, hiding behind false self-righteous cloaks of "divine prescription," and aligning themselves with political ideologies (mixing politics and religion is a recipe for disaster!) have caused the death of millions of Jews (and Christians I might add) and "brought not a world of peace and goodness [but] hatred," and a "theology of contempt" instead, using them as a scapegoat for whatever appeared to go against the consolidation of those in power.
I'm the first to believe that religion can become evil when abused. I'd simply ask that you not lump all Christians or Christianity into the same group. If a person's belief-system (and everyone in that belief-system) has an intrinsic hatred and contempt for Judaism and Jews, I'll join you in condemning it completely.
May I use a baseball analogy? Many players and owners have abused and dishonored the game by cheating, gambling, using steroids, and being racist bigots against blacks and Jews. The game of baseball itself, however, is not racist, despite its racist history. Just as anti-semitism existed long before Christianity, so did racism long before baseball. It's the "players" involved (in Judaism, Christianity and baseball) that need to be "cleaned up," rather than condemning the game or faith. In fact, baseball has gone far to repair racist attitudes and bigotry, whether it was against the great slugger Hank Greenberg (who was Jewish and said he tried to hit homeruns "against" Hitler) or against black players like Jackie Robinson or Latin players like Roberto Clemente.
If Christians actually followed Jesus' example and teachings ("Love your neighbor" and "Blessed are the peacemakers") and exhibited "Christ-like" behavior and Solomon's wisdom, we'd have no war or hate, "for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). That's why my father (a Southern Baptist missionary to Japan right after WWII, no less), was a pacifist. (My own leaning now includes liberal Baptist "separation of church and state" roots, but I'm also sympathetic to the Orthodox Church that Frank is a member, though I have not officially joined.)
Yes, there are different ways to interpret things, and I also don't interpret the Bible so "literally," but when we both say "we don't think that there is just one right interpretation of the Bible," that, in itself, is a particular interpretation. Is it possible for both of our interpretations to be valid? And I also agree when you say you "just think there is a difference between seeing what you want to see in the Bible or finding a rationalization of your beliefs in the Bible and seeing what is really there," but the problem is that "what is really there" may not necessarily be as clear cut as you and I might like.
The history of the Christian Church has also given us countless hospitals, schools, loving communities and charitable groups that care about people. Christianity has also been at the root of the abolition of slavery in this country and the scientific revolution in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries, pushed to eradicate poverty around the world, and stood for women's rights and Civil rights. If that's rationalizing my beliefs, so be it, but it seems to be "seeing what is really there."
So, I believe Christianity and Christians can and should help to change people's hatred to love and peace--I hope Judaism and Jews do the same. That's what I believe as a Christian and it's what I will continue to strive for in my life.
- November 28, 2010 at 10:13 PM
- David.R said...
I just found your blog. I think it is great! Politically, I am very much in the boat with you. Far-right 'Christian' republicanism is pretty scary. I try to stay in the middle.
But I have a question; is the Orthodox Church
anti-semitic? What is a balanced position concerning Israel? I think anti-semitism is wrong. And I have to say that anti-zionism coincides with anti-semitism more than many anti-zionists are willing to admit. On the other hand I affirm that disagreeing with some of Israel's foreign and domestic policies
does not make me an anti-semite. I am an Orthodox Christian and ethnically, I have Sephardic-Jewish ancestry. I am particularly
shocked by what seems outright hostility and anti-Jewish hatred in Orthodox Christian circles. It is particularly grievous to hear
people quoting St John Chrysostom amd Patriarch St Niphon etc. to justify their prejudice.
I affirm that the fullness of God's revelation is in the Orthodox Church but I refuse to join the Jew-bashing mob. Any thoughts?
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USAO Regents approve 2013-14 budget, other university improvements
CHICKASHA – Focusing on the quality of both education and overall student experience, the Board of Regents at the University of Science and Arts approved university and committee recommendations on budget, tuition costs, curriculum changes and several other university functions at their meeting this week.
The regents approved a budget of $12.7 million for the coming academic year. This total includes $800,540 for authorized fee waivers and a $25,283 allocation to Jane Brooks School for the Deaf.
The State Legislature has increased USAO's appropriations by just 1 percent, or $74,700, which is insufficient to satisfy the university's increased needs. In fact, the legislature's funding to USAO covers roughly half the mandatory cost increase estimates and does not cover any other critical spending priorities.
To satisfy the mandatory cost increases without the necessary funding, the regents approved a tuition increase that will raise an estimated $201,500 in additional revenue for the institution.
The 7.2 percent increase will mean that a full-time Oklahoma resident will see an increase of $195 more per trimester, based on 15 credit hours.
The increase would not affect students who qualify for Oklahoma's Promise, as the program would offset the cost, said Mike Coponiti, vice president for business and finance.
Before making its decision, the board asked the general opinion of the students from Student Government Association President Chris Collins, a political science senior. He and the rest of the SGA executive board agreed that students are willing to pay the increase to maintain the quality of the institution and the services it provides.
"We had a really good conversation about why it's necessary," Collins said. "All of us expressed that it was one of those situations where … we love going here and we love the quality of education. We want to keep that."
The approved budget for the coming fiscal year includes $5.4 million for instruction and nearly $1.3 million for student services.
With the proposed tuition change, the Oklahoma resident student cost would still sit at 65.8 percent of the national peer group average. That is the lowest percentage among regional colleges, a category in which most schools sit in the mid-to-high 70 percent peer limit. The state's research institutions average nearly 86 percent of peer limit.
In compliance with a 2007 state law that requires colleges and universities to offer a guaranteed rate to first-time, full-time Oklahoma residents – good for four consecutive years – regents also approved a new "lock rate" of $177 per credit hour.
Students can choose to pay the regular rate of $154 per credit hour or the "lock rate" that won't change for four years. Coponiti reported that few students elect to take advantage of the offer.
Curriculum changes
In other business, curriculum changes in the English, speech language pathology, biology and natural science departments were approved unanimously. The changes, initiated by the departments themselves, do not increase the number of required hours for any particular major, said Dr. Dex Marble, vice president for academic affairs.
In English, Methods of Literary Study was removed and Technical Writing was added. In speech language pathology, Language Disorders was changed to a three hour course while Language Disorders II was reduced to a two hour course.
Biology saw the most changes with seven new required courses and seven new electives being added. Four additional elective courses were altered. Four courses were deleted and three others that were previously required courses became electives.
The basic change was to eliminate the requirement of specific pre-medical courses for all biology majors. The pre-medical courses, however, remain in the curriculum as electives to serve those students who wish to go on to medical school.
As a result of the changes to the biology curriculum, four biology courses required in natural science were replaced by the substituted additions in the new curriculum.
Campus Improvements
As a first step to a potential complete renovation of Robertson Hall, located along 17th Street, the regents approved an exterior renovation project at an estimated cost of $250,000.
This initial phase would restore the building's exterior, including windows, doors, brickwork, landscape, fascia and tile roof.
The renovation was prioritized due to its presence in a highly visible location, raising concerns that it was a public eyesore. University officials project that renovations to the building would be complete by this fall.
In the master plan — once funding for the complete restoration is secured — Robertson will house offices for the Chickasha Economic Development Council, USAO Advancement and other offices focused on external relations as well as the Southwest Oklahoma Impact Coalition and related functions designed to assist and support community and regional social and economic development.
"I think the link this has to the rest of the community has a lot of potential," said Regent Dave McLaughlin.
The regents also approved a request to purchase three 2013 Ford Fusions at $17,360 a piece to add to USAO's current motor pool, replacing older vehicles. The university has not purchased motor pool vehicles since 2009.
Additionally, the regents approved the purchase of 92 new computers to enhance the campus computer network. Under state contract prices, 49 computers will be purchased from Dell Inc. and 43 from Apple Computers. Total estimated cost is $111,000. Computers on campus by school policy are replaced after five years.
Thinking of ways to reduce spending and move the university forward technologically, Lynn Boyce, vice president for information services and technology, made a request to the board to work toward a virtual desktop system on the Dell computers in labs and classrooms, eliminating the need to purchase new central processing units (CPU). The board granted her request.
As required by state law, USAO will undergo a routine independent financial audit this year. Regents approved a contract for $15,000 with Becky Fleming, CPA, Inc. in Norman, who performed the school's audit last year.
The regents also authorized regent committees to act on behalf of the board should a matter of extreme importance arise during a time when the board as a whole does not regularly meet, with the stipulation that the committees action could be ratified in the next regularly scheduled meeting.
Regents elected a new chairwoman for the coming year and expressed thanks to outgoing chairman John Nelson, a Chickasha attorney. The new chairwoman is Regent Hilary Kitz of Tulsa. The new vice chairman is McLaughlin, of Oklahoma City, who founded the global company Advance Food. New board secretary is Chris Mosley.
USAO president Dr. John Feaver also expressed a sincere thanks to Regent Leslie Hudson, who is finishing her term. Replacing her will be Bill Lance, Jr., the administrator and CEO of the Chickasaw Nation Division of Commerce.
Personnel Matters
In personnel matters, the board approved appointments for a faculty member and three staff members as well as a change in status for four other university employees.
Leah Feild, a former HSI Sensing employee, is the new Arts and Humanities/Social Science administrative assistant. She attended Georgia State in 1999 and Kennesaw State in 2000.
Callison Vaughan was hired as the administrative assistant in Information Services. Vaughan is finishing her bachelor's in drama from USAO this summer.
Katey Graham was the final appointee in the meeting. She has been hired as the media relations technician and assistant in the Media and Community Relations office. She holds a bachelor's in communications arts from Southwestern Oklahoma State.
Changing status on campus, Vinson Metcalf, formerly assistant men's basketball coach, was named head men's basketball coach. Metcalf has served as an assistant for 15 years, helping the Drovers to their NAIA National Title in 2002. He also has served as director of intramurals.
Jessica Jackson, who previously served as sports information director, was named interim director of media and community relations. Jackson has been an employee of the institution since 2009 and was named Regents Staff Achievement Employee of the Year in 2012.
Anna McGill, who served as admissions administrative assistant was named an admissions counselor. She has been a member of the staff since 2011.
Roselee Killman went from a part-time custodian to a full-time custodian.
Resignations were accepted from Matthew Watson, admissions counselor; Kellie Driscoll, media and community relations administrative assistant; and Annette Charboneau, assessment coordinator.
Retirements were approved for Brisco McPherson, head men's basketball coach and athletic director, and James Hopkins, database administrator.
McPherson served the university as head men's basketball coach for 22 years and was an assistant before that. He has been athletic director since 2002.
Hopkins has been the database administrator since 2002. He has earned the Regents Staff Achievement Award for the quarter in 2004 and in 2008, being named the Regents Staff Achievement Employee of the Year in 2008.
The regents' next regularly scheduled meeting is planned for 1:30 p.m. Sept. 10 on USAO's campus.


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The idea of a crock pot is to make your life easier. Not much is easier than this family-pleasing stew. Using things you probably have on hand anyways, you spend about 10 to 15 minutes preparation time and eat in 8 hours.
This is a simplified version of several slow cooker recipes that is not only delicious but extremely simple to make. Like most of the soup/chili/stew recipes, I'm "cooking for two with leftovers".
Notes: I left the mushrooms out of my version of this recipe. We have food allergies in the family, so we never do mushrooms. I have listed them as optional. There was also a suggestion to add a drained can of diced tomatoes if you want a tomato based stew. Also included as an option.
Prepare veggies.
Clean, trim and then cube chicken. Place all ingredients in crock pot except peas. Cook on low for 8 hours or high for 4 hours. Add peas 20-30 minutes before the end of cooking.
- 2 pounds Skinless boneless chicken breast about 3– trimmed and cut into 1 inch cubes
- 1 onion large – diced
- 4 carrots pealed and cut into 1 inch slices
- 2 stalks celery diced
- 4-5 potatoes pealed and cut into 3/4 to 1 inch cubes
- 8 oz mushrooms cleaned and halved-optional
- 1 cup frozen corn
- 28 oz chicken broth
- 14 oz diced tomatoes drained if you want a tomato based stew
- 1 teaspoon celery seed
- 1 teaspoon dry thyme to taste... this is a little much for some
- 1/2 teaspoon black pepper
- 1 cup frozen peas
- Prepare veggies
- Clean, trim and then cube chicken
- Place all ingredients in crock pot except peas
- Cook on low for 8 hours or high for 4 hours.
- Add peas 20-30 minutes before end of cooking
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Come and give blood at the The American Red Cross Bloodmobile. It will be at the Carbon/Emery Telcom building, 625 East 100 North in Price on June 23 from 11 a.m.-4 p.m. Contact Monica Hansen at 613-9605 for an appointment. Personal identification is required prior to donation.
The rabbit show, which will be held at the Ferron Fairgrounds during the Southeastern Utah Junior Livestock show, on July 8, will begin at 5 p.m. Come out and show your pet or your purebred rabbits. This will be a lot of fun.
Children's parade, 9:30 a.m., parade and horse parade at 10 a.m., line-up at 9:30 a.m. Grand prize for the best Old Fashioned float made of chicken wire and napkins. For more information and to enter, call Tory at 687-9458 or Rose at 684-9060.
The University of Utah will host its eighth annual Veteran's Day Commemoration Program on Nov. 11. honoring all Utah veterans who have served our country in military service. Nomination forms are now available online at www.veteransday.utah.edu and are due by July 6. Forms can also be obtained from the office of University Marketing and Communications at 201 Suth Presidents Circle, Room 308, Salt Lake City, UT 84112 or by calling 801-581-6773.
Men's club championship-June 18; Emery Recreation 4-man scramble-June 25; State red, white, and blue-July 16; Millsite fund raising invitational-Aug. 6; Emery County fair tournament-Aug. 13; Peach Days tournament-Sept 10; State 2-man best ball-Sept. 17; monster mash 4-man scramble-Oct. 8; and snow man 3-man scramble-Nov. 5.
The Emery County Historical Society will hold their monthly meeting on June 16 at 7 p.m. at the Museum of the San Rafael in Castle Dale. Nancy Taniguchi will be the special guest and she will be talking about her book Castle Valey America: Hard Land, Hard Won Home. Books will be available for purchase and signing. Refreshments will be served.
Salt Lake Community College is hosting Bruin Basketball Camp on June 20-22 for boys who will be in the third-ninth grades this fall. Each camper will receive a camp t-shirt a and basketball along with all instruction. For more information contact Michael Ostlund, at 1-801-957-4956 or email@example.com.
The local Green River Soil Conservation District (SCD) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (Natural Resources Conservation Service-NRCS) is seeking input from all citizens, organizations and government agencies about resource concern issues. The resource concerns of most interest to the SCD are soil, water, air, plant, animal and human issues. There may be other resource concern issues as well and public input is requested.
The Green River Soil Conservation District consists of five locally elected citizens charged with focusing attention on all resource concerns within its jurisdiction. The purpose of the SCD is to "focus attention on land, water, and related resource problems; develop programs to solve those problems; and, enlist the cooperation of various public and private resource groups who can contribute to the accomplishments of the districts goals and plans."
If you have concerns or would like to comment on local resources, please plan to attend a public meeting on June 17. The public meeting will begin at 7 p.m. in the Green River City Hall. If you have any questions please call (435) 381-2300 and visit with Hal Lemon, extension 109; Jim Greenan, extension 111; or Wayne Urie, extension 103.
The local San Rafael Soil Conservation District (SCD) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (Natural Resources Conservation Service-NRCS) is seeking input from all citizens, organizations and government agencies about resource concern issues. The resource concerns of most interest to the SCD are soil, water, air, plant, animal and human issues. There may be other resource concern issues as well and public input is requested.
The San Rafael Soil Conservation District consists of five locally elected citizens charged with focusing attention on all resource concerns within its jurisdiction which is the land and water within the San Rafael River Watershed. The purpose of the SCD is to "focus attention on land, water, and related resource problems; develop programs to solve those problems; and, enlist the cooperation of various public and private resource groups who can contribute to the accomplishments of the districts goals and plans."
If you have concerns or would like to comment on local resources, please plan to attend a public meeting on June 23. The public meeting will begin at 7 p.m. in the new USDA Service Center located at 1120 North Des Bee Dove Road (road to the new county sheriff's office). If you have any questions please call (435) 381-2300 and visit with Roger Barton, extension 113; Hal Lemon, extension 109; Jim Greenan, extension 111; or Wayne Urie, extension 103.
An open house for Murleen Bean's retirement will be held on June 18 from 2-5 p.m. at Orangeville City Hall. Everyone is welcome.
The home arts exhibits welcomes anyone interested in displaying their sewing, knitting, painting, quilting, canning, baked goods, stained glass, woodworking, metal art, photographs, needlepoint, gardening, etc. during the Emery County Fair, Aug. 4-6. For more information, contact the Emery County Extension office in Castle Dale at 381-2381 or Michelle Scovill at 381-2823.
An ATV permit class will be held June 17 at the old courthouse building in Castle Dale, beginning at 7 p.m. Remember, this class is to make youth ages 8-16 legal to drive on public lands. You may pre-register at the Emery County Recreation office, 75 South 400 East, Castle Dale. For more information, contact Emery County Recreation at 381-2108 or Mark Williams at 381-2493.
Southeastern Utah District Health Department will conduct a women's cancer screening clinic at their office at 25 West Main Street, Castle Dale, June 10 from 9 a.m.-3:30 p.m. Screening will include clinical breast exam, pap test, pelvic exam, referral for free mammogram (if eligible). These exams may be free for women ages 50-64. Give yourself the gift of good health by calling 435-381-2252 today to schedule your women's cancer screening appointment.
All the action began June 1 at the Castle Dale Library. The theme for the summer programs at the libraries in Emery County is Dragons, Dreams and Daring Deeds. In keeping with that theme, the summer reading program, the schedule is: June 15-medieval life; June 22-knights; June 20-castles; July 6-royal read; July 13-magical mayhem; and the summer finale July 20-Hogwarts School. The reading club "Joust Read" began June 1, where readers can earn one Sickle (Hogwarts coin) to be used at the summer finale. A special young adult program, "Ye Knights of the Order of the Castle (Dale Library), for ages 8 and older, will be held on June 21 from 5:30-8:30 p.m., July 5 and 20 at 1 p.m.
The Green River Community Center announces the sponsorship of the summer food service program. Free meals will be available to attending children. Meals will be served at the Green River Community Center in the Kid's Cafe Monday-Friday. Morning snack-8:45-9 a.m.; lunch-12-12:30 p.m. (both through the summer food program); and dinner (through the Utah Food Bank) from 4-4:30 p.m.
The first annual Emery County Recreation/Millsite Men's Association amateur 4 man scramble will be held June 25. There will be a shotgun start at 9 a.m. Register at Emery Recreation office at 75 South 400 East, Castle Dale, by June 23. Each team can only have on member with a handicap of 10 or less. Entry fee includes green fees, cart, two par three contests, membership, lunch, drinks on the course, prizes, and a tee gift. For more information contact Emery Recreation at 381-2108 or Millsite Golf Course at 384-2887. Big Farm Bureau sponsored hole in one contest. Entries limited to 16 teams.
The Utah Summer Games sponsors a children's coloring contest. You can download coloring pages at www.utahsummergames.org. Completed pages should be mailed to Utah Summer Games, 351 West University Blvd., Cedar City, UT 84720. On the back of the page parents should legibly write the child's name, age, birthdate, telephone number and mailing address. All entries will be displayed in the Sorenson PE Building during check-in and registration for the Utah Summer Games. For rules and regulations see website.
Musicians are being sought for the annual Classical Music Competition to be held during August at the Utah State Fairpark. Classical music students from ages 8-23 are encouraged to participate. Deadline for entries is July 1. For more details, see www.utahstatefair.com or call Tami Gowans or Judy Duncombe at 1-801-538-8400.
The North Emery High Reunion will be held July 2 at Huntington Elementary School, 70 East 100 North. Registration and light refreshments will begin at 10 a.m. The monument dedication will be held at noon. Program at 3 p.m. followed by dinner. Contact Dixie Bass at 687-2708 for more information and registration.
There is still room for vendors at Emery Town's annual Pioneer Day celebration, which will be held on July 23. Call the town office at 286-2714 to reserve your place to sell your crafts, plants, hot dogs and cotton candy. There will be no cost to vendors who wish to participate. Bring your family and friends and join us for a day filled with fun, parades, food and music. See you in Emery.
A field service officer from the Veterans of Foreign Wars will be at the Price Workforce Service Center on June 23 from 8:30-10:30 a.m. This is a free service to assist veterans, widows and dependents in understanding and applying for rightful VA benefits.
Come join in the fun of this years Emery County Fair Parade. We encourage every business, church group, city, school group, sports group, or family to be a part of the fair parade. The fair theme is New Ideas, New Dreams, New Beginnings. Floats will be judged and prizes will be given in several different categories. Call Dannette Waite at 748-2085 or Emery County Recreation at 381-2108 for more information.
The Castle Country Horse Show Association schedule is: June 18, Price; July 16, Castle Dale; Aug. 14, Price; and Sept. 17, Castle Dale. Show will start at 9 a.m. with registration at 8 a.m. For more information, call Denise at 1-801-794-0901, Paige at 435-748-2881, Roxanne at 435-653-2589, or Rhonda at 435-637-4023. More information can also be found online at www.dmndshrscs.com/CCHSA.html.
Proposals for projects to improve wildlife habitat may be submitted to Wayne Urie, Coordinator Castleland RC&D, 1120 North Des-Bee-Dove Road, P.O. Box 75A, Castle Dale, Ut. 84513.
To donate to Operation Home Support, a program to send packages to local soldiers stationed overseas, contact Jan Hess, 384-2753. Donations can be mailed to American Legion Auxiliary #42, P.O. Box 209. Ferron, Ut. 84523.
Orangeville Library is in need of volunteers to do a juggling demonstration during story hour on June 16 at 11 a.m. Also needed is a magician for story hour on July 7. For more information or to volunteer call Kay at 748-2726.
The Drop Dead Gorgeous Triathalon, (swim, bike, run) will be held July 16 in Scofield. For more information call Castle Country Travel Region office at 435-637-3009.
Vendors wanted for the Emery County Fair to be held Aug. 4-6. Large crowds expected. Security will be provided 24 hours a day, so daily load out is not required. New booth configuration for fair this year. We will try to be very accommodating to your needs,. Booth assignments will be on a first come, first serve basis. For application or more information contact Margaret Keller at 381-2867 after 5 p.m. or Emery County Recreation at 381-2108.
Vendors are wanted for the Emery County Fair to be held Aug. 4-6. Looking for exclusive food concession vendors. Each vendor may apply to have two exclusive entree food items for their booth. That vendor will be the sole supplier of those two food items. Drinks, candy, etc. will be available to all vendors. Booth assignments will be on a first come, first serve basis. For application or more information contact Margaret Keller at 381-2867 after 5 p.m. or Emery County Recreation at 381-2108.
Project ChildSafe, sponsored by the National Shooting Sports Foundation will be distributing free gun locks throughout Emery County. Members of the community may call their local law enforcement agency for information on how to obtain a free gun lock.
AA and NA meetings will be held at the Emery County Recreation Center, 75 South 400 East, Castle Dale. AA will be Tuesday nights from 6:30-7:30 p.m. NA meetings will be Thursday nights from 6:30-7:30 p.m.
New hours for the Pioneer Museum are 11 a.m.-4 p.m. on Monday through Friday, and Saturday noon-4 p.m. Share your pioneer heritage with family and friends.
Anyone interested in helping with the Miss Emery Pageant are encouraged to call Sabrina at 687-2642 or Patsy at 381-2431. Volunteers are needed in the following areas: production, preparation, luncheon, advertising and decorations.
Those young women interested in trying out for the Miss Emery Pageant should call Sabrina at 687-2642 or Patsy at 381-2431. You must be between 17-24 years old.
Relay for Life is now recruiting teams. If you would like to have a team in the 2005 Relay for Life, contact Barbara Moore at 384-2261. Also, if you are a cancer survivor we need your address to update our information mailing list, contact Cathy Sitterud at 381-5647. Volunteers to assist in preparation and the night of the Relay for Life walk are badly needed. For more information or to volunteer call Barbara Moore at 384-2261.
Emery County Archives now has new hours. The new hours are noon-5 p.m. Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. If you need assistance other than those hours, call Shirley Spears, at 381-2671 and leave a message or contact her at 650-4787. The Archives is now under the supervision of the Emery County Recorder and a message may be left at that office at 381-2414.
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 01:28 PM
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:07 PM
Vinnie has played alot longer than I ever expected considering how badly he started out in Tampa. I've always been a fan of his personally, even if not a fan of his teams. However, he is just not capable anymore. He's too old. Heck, I think I'd suit up Warren Moon for my team before I put Vinnie out there at this point...
Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:08 PM
Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:11 PM
Highly unlikely
Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:15 PM
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:21 PM
Highly unlikely
You know what else is unlikely. Your prediction on the stats in the other thread. Dunn rush for 180 yards, wow, you lost all the credibility forever on this site, for just saying that right there. Maybe if he was Tomlinson, but Dunn? No I do not think so. Vick throw for 190 yards on a damn good defense, again unlikely.
So before you say stuff about what we say is unlikely, try saying stuff on your behalf that is likely.
Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:22 PM
Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:24 PM
I agree, it should be more like 200+
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Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:31 PM
He'll go over 100 yds, easy. Going over 200 is pretty unlikely. What teams fail to realize when they come across us on the schedule is, we aren't a passing team. We seldom throw deep at all. We're a ball control, running team and we'll do that over and over again for four quarters. Case in point on Sunday vs. the Saints, the Falcons and Saints were tied, but we came out, ran the ball in a double digit drive all the way from our own 15 or so and ate 10 minutes off the clock. The only pass we made during that drive was the TD that was basically a run play, too.
We'll run. We'll run. Then we'll run some more. The stats in the passing game will mean nothing when its all said and done...
Posted 17 October 2005 - 02:47 PM
I will give you this, the Atlanta Michael Vicks have beaten some good teams this year. Hopefully, we won't play as badly against the Atlanta Michael Vicks as we did against the Buffalo Bills, although granted, unlike the Atlanta Michael Vicks the Bills have more than just one good player. I predict that if Michael Vick doesn't doesn't walk with crutches now, he'll need 'em after he plays the Jets.
Does anyone else know who plays for the Falcons besides Michael Vick? Will he even play next Monday?
Posted 17 October 2005 - 05:10 PM
Does anyone else know who plays for the Falcons besides Michael Vick? Will he even play next Monday?
dude you know that we almost beat the PAtriots without Vick right? you also know that Brooking, Williams, our Dline and Boley will all be after Vinny Teste all game right? the best DL i nthe NFL last year and this year and you don't have Mawae to slow down Rod Coleman. so Kerney and Coleman and smith should have a game similar ot what they had sgainst Culpepper. (9 sacks)
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Posted 21 October 2005 - 10:59 PM
So before you say stuff about what we say is unlikely, try saying stuff on your behalf that is likely.
Yeah, Dunn rushing for 180 is SOOO freakin unlikely. Pfft, not likely at all. You jackass, do you even pay atention to any other teams in the NFL or are you one of these JETS homers. What, your tryin to tell me that your beloved run defense is too much for the leagues best rushing offense?!?! SOmething tells me that Dunn isn't really worried about your meager run defense.
And Vick passing for 190?!?! Again, you are telling me that that is highly unlikely?!?!
Pfft, get real man. Talk about losing credibility. I think you might have just lost it on your OWN message board you Jackass.


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#1 Mon 07 May 12 10:36pm
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Indian food Cooking Demo
I am starting on a new adventure in my life and my first cookery demo is on indian food, samosas, parathas, prawn curry, tandoori chicken and more... I can fit a party of six guests there will plenty of tasters and everyone will go home with a goody bag. If you are interested in attending it is on the 25th of this month 6pm-9pm and the cost is �45. I am also thinking of demonstrating cake making including cupcakes. Please message me if interested.
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Re: Indian food Cooking Demo
That sounded interesting and I hope all went well with the new venture.
#3 Mon 18 Jun 12 3:04am
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Thanks for the reply, the demo went really well they all loved the food and even had a go making parathas and samosas. I have had good feedback and my chicken tandoori was made by one of them recently and the family loved it! Looking forward to my next one.
#4 Mon 18 Jun 12 4:12am
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Congratulations! Sounds yum!
#5 Mon 18 Jun 12 1:41pm
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I have never been able to keep the pastry samosa covers intact whilst frying. I once ate at our Qatari agent's house and his wife (Lebanese) served some wonderful bite size samosas. I enquired as to how she could make the triangles so small but still keep them intact? She told me it was easy - make the stuffing yourself and take it around to the pastry shop for them to provide the pastry and fill the samosas.
Without a local pastry shop, I now resort to using samosa filling in spring roll pastry.
#6 Mon 18 Jun 12 2:19pm
Re: Indian food Cooking Demo
Back in 2000 when we first moved into our house here, I was asked by two of my neighbour's children if I could assist them with a school project. They were required to cook a foreign (to them) dish which would be judged the following day by their teachers.
Given that it would require re-heating or eaten cold, I decided fish and chips or roast beef and Yorkshires would not really be suitable. After some deliberation, and given that many Thais do not eat beef, I suggested an old Mridula favourite, egg and potato dum (they provide the eggs).
The designated afternoon came round and they duly arrived to commence their introduction to Indian cuisine cooking. Now my kitchen is not small compared to Thai standards but mine was designed for me and my wife. What I had failed to grasp was that the class had been divided into four for this project, so I ended up with 12 x 13 year old girls in my kitchen! Impossible! In the end we lined then up as neatly as possible along the back wall and I proceeded to cook the dish with them watching.
The dish won one of the four prizes.
As an aside, one of the girls is now standing for mayor of our village. Doesn't time fly?
#7 Tue 19 Jun 12 12:59am
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Re: Indian food Cooking Demo
What a great tale BeerforYorky! Time does fly!
I can't help but hope she becomes Mayor!
#8 Tue 19 Jun 12 5:54am
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That's awesome. I like samosa, whether it is vegetable or meat. It is delicious and appetizing, great with tea. A perfect snack!
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What a great tale BeerforYorky! Time does fly!
I can't help but hope she becomes Mayor!
The majority of the village think she's too young (25 ish)
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I've always fancied having a go at samosas. on hairy bikers one of the mums made them with flour tortillas, just like the ones you can get from some snack outlets in london. Mmm!
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Skip to comments.Violent attacks in home sparked by politics, victim says[Minutemen American Defense director]
Posted on 01/03/2009 8:28:34 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
Woman suspects shooting, sexual assault tied to her activism on illegal immigration
EVERETT -- First a north Everett man was seriously wounded when a narrow-faced stranger burst into his home Dec. 22 and began shooting.
On Monday night, while the shooting victim was still in the hospital, his wife called police to report that a trio of intruders had just ambushed her in her kitchen. She was beaten, sexually assaulted and slashed on the back of her neck with a knife, she told officers.
Everett police acknowledge they aren't quite sure what to make of the violent events recently reported at the home in the 2200 block of Rockefeller Avenue.
The woman, Shawna Forde, 41, is national director of Minutemen American Defense, a group that lobbies against illegal immigration and sends volunteers to Arizona to monitor the nation's border with Mexico.
Early Friday, a story was posted on her group's Web site detailing what Forde said happened at her home. The posting is complete with photographs of Forde, displaying bruises and other injuries to her face, thighs and buttocks.
Forde, a one-time candidate for Everett City Council, insists the violence is somehow linked to her activism, including investigations she says she's been making into drug cartels and human trafficking rings.
"I am not dealing with people who make cookies," she said Friday, adding that she wanted her story to be told. "These are dangerous people."
Detectives are investigating what happened Monday, Everett police Sgt. Robert Goetz said. He confirmed police and paramedics were summoned to the Rockefeller home and a report was taken, but added there are few details he can provide at this point.
He urged anyone with information to contact police.
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National Director "Shawna Forde" brutally attacked
And so it begins.
This is a confused story so it would be prudent to wait until the police complete their investigation.
lock and load.
Sounds like they need to be under some kind of guard. Can't count on the "authorities" to do the job so I guess it's up to the folks again.
There's something that seems a little odd about this, although I can't put my finger on it.
I can. She is beaten up. In Mexico they are killing and beheading. Yet she is beaten up?
Well her husband was shot.
Yup! Narrow-faced stranger?
The only description of an attacker that I saw is white.
I have to say they're not terribly convincing. Multiple, parallel, superficial wounds. Many are on the right side, which makes it easier for a right-hander to self-inflict.
Although her face wound is on the left side.
I'm not a crime scene investigator/forensics expert, but I have made a hobby of looking at fake hate crimes, and this does look like on of them to this untrained eye.
Hope I'm wrong, because it'll just offer another weapon for the open borders crowd to attack the rule of law folks with, but I don't think I am.
Yeah, life threatening GSWs tend to be a little harder to fake.
I wonder if she faked this attack to gain some of the sympathy her husband had been getting? They were headed for divorce although I don't know how much acrimony was involved.
Actually, I'm getting WAY past my level of expertise, so I'll refrain from further speculation.
Or it could be some locals who are sympathetic to illegals.
I am with you; something is not right here. I looked at her pictures, and she claims she was hit with a baseball bat or something similar. I can tell you, if she was hit with a baseball bat the wounds would be much more severe. She also said she did not want to get into the details of the "rape" and in the report the police did not have much to say. I would assume she went to the hospital and had an exam and evidence collected so if you are going to post all of this why not give more details and why do I get the sense the Police are a little skeptical.... Something is just not right here.
How is it that these people are not armed to protect themselves and their homes?
First a north Everett man was seriously wounded when a narrow-faced stranger burst into his home Dec. 22 and began shooting.
The authorities will be right out to confiscate the "folks" guns.
It could have been some of O's civilian police practicing for their debut.
0bama's approach to 'civilization'. It will not be pretty.
Thanks for posting. My reaction & comment is the same as Gilchrist's....
"If it was an act of MS-13, or an illegal alien or a drug cartel we are going to come out with a passion that the public has never seen before," he said. "That is not a threat of violence," but a promise of "dire consequences, politically and socially," he said."
This is a confused story so it would be prudent to wait until a thorough police and independent investigation is completed.
Pat K. and Thomas K.
I agree. Something about it smells fishy.
You do realize the wife or the husband or both, described the shooter of the husband as being white?
Just curious, in your hobby, what race or nationality is more likely to be guilty of, "faking a hate crime"?
In your hobby, have you noticed any patterns or profiles in regards to those making these types of false allegations?
It's a fake quote.
Race/nationality wise, muslims of arab descent by a long shot. Of course there was a great spike in the year or so after 9-11, but they're still the leaders by a solid margin.
Next most likely are blacks, sometimes you'll see a family burn a cross in their yard, but that's unusual. In most cases it's something like carving the word "nigger" into a door, usually at college. There was a big uptick in noose hanging after the "Jena Six" incident.
In your hobby, have you noticed any patterns or profiles in regards to those making these types of false allegations?
This is far more likely to be done by young people than old. Gender-wise, it's probably 60-40 with the edge towards females.
It's still more likely to be a lib than a conservative, but, unfortunately we could be making a little surge as of late (McCain girl, probably the Augsburg College case, probably this).
There was a woman a few months back who claimed she was attacked by rabid Obama supporters who cut the initials "B O" into her face. It turned out that she did it to herself. The cuts were extremely shallow and backward mirror image.
You are aware that we are under a concerted "confusion to the enemy" campaign from those hellbent to convince us that Obama's mouth is next to God's ear?
The liberal SOBs are here in FR stirring up crap all over the place.
There was also a young girl who falsely accused some of her Hispanic classmates of assaulting her and threatening her with rape last year.
She is going through a very contentious divorce with her third husband.
She is not and has not done border ops in AZ, she was having an affair there with a guy
She is a known drug user, pain meds
For all we know she hired someone to shoot her husband and that didn't work so she made this whole thing up. Her husband was her only source of money and he has cut her off and she is now using money people send to her website to live on. Oh she has guns in her house but really doesn't know how to use them.
She called the paper to see if they were running a story on her attack not the other way around
She is giving a statement to police sometime next week ???? I know if I had been attacked I would have given a statement right then and there. Also it states when she returned from the hospital Her husband is in the hospital she wasn't
doesn't leave survivors either nor are they white. In the past she has left threatening messages on the phone to one of my friends when they called her to the rug on her daughters fake story. This women is nuts just as much as Gilchrist
Wasn't she a Ron Paul follower? It seems that these wackos are attracted to extremists groups.
Perhaps that "Internet powerhouse" forensics expert Polarik should sounds off on this fake
tx2ca, you seem to know Shawna even better than I.
Shawna was kicked out of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps here in Washington State back in Feb. 2006.
There have been several other incidents along the lines of her missing daughter over the last 3 years. Some involved fundraising.
Your remarks are right on!
Yes she was. There's always a fringe who take things too far - I'd wager the Amish have their radicals living in caves screaming at the "evil house dwellers". Some followers of Dennis Kucinich tried to corral me and a fellow conservative while brandishing knives a few years ago (2nd Amendment bump) because he dared to hold up a sign asking "What is it about illegal you don't understand?" at a Democrat rally.
It was obvious they were bottom-feeders attracted to the prospect of scot-free thuggery than anything else. Just what we'd get if Obama got the "Inland Defense" he proposed. Shades of Hitler's Brownshirts.
I'm far more concerned with the disturbed souls who prostrate, ululate and involuntarily urinate at the prospect of touching the hem of the One's garment. No man or woman is worthy of worship. Only one entity would encourage such and their future is already written.
She is also making a so called documentary or has been for years Except that she was stealing other peoples u tube videos and calling them her own. We called her on it for the the last 2 summers she has said it was going to be in theaters
Did you know she now charges for taking people to the border. Heck I'll give em for free.
She is in the process of now changing her story and taken the pictures down. Can you say BUSTED
All her border ops on her site are other people where she just shows up and then takes a picture and says MAD does the border.
Bingo! She's pulled the same "border ops charade" up here on the B.C. border; just driving around snapping photos.
Rumor was about 18 months ago she bamboozled a sugar daddy out of $25K to do her "documentary".
That money is gone and now hubby is dumping her.
Wonder if he has life insurance?
Should be a follow-up story in the Everett Herald tomorrow or the next day on this.
It's so sad to see so many unqualified people play judge, jury and prosecutor by attacking the victims here. Let it go through the courts. Ethics demand that all be fair instead of trying to make political hay or make anti-minuteman agenda smearing.
Thanks for the ping!
I've just spent about 45 minutes trying to piece this whole thing together. I guess the important take away is that this woman appears to be insane.
You are right about laying blame on the Right. This was posted on Twitter:
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