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Questions that need answers: third edition
Jason Gregor
March 05 2009 09:10AM
What a whirlwind final hour of the trade deadline. Just when it looked the Oilers were going to be shut out, they pull off two deals just before the deadline. On paper the deals should improve the Oilers, but exactly how much remains to be seen. Lots of questions surrounding the deadline and the Oilers so here we go.
***Reminder if you have a question you want answered, send it to Gregor at firstname.lastname@example.com.
Why did the Kings give up on a young Patrick O'Sullivan?
At first glance, you wonder why a 24-year-old with loads of offensive creativity finds himself in his third organization already. O'Sullivan was drafted by the Wild in 2003, and then traded at the 2006 entry draft to the LA Kings (he was traded with the 17th overall pick, which the Wild had obtained from the Oilers for Roloson).
Now he is dealt for Justin Williams, and then Erik Cole. Williams had back-to-back 30-goal seasons, before he tore his ACL in 2007, and then tore his Achilles in an off-ice pre-season workout. He has played 32 games since returning earlier than expected, but has struggled mightily with only three goals and 10 points.
So why is O'Sullivan dealt for a guy who is injury prone and struggling? I have no idea. Rob Daum, who coached him in Houston in 2005/06 gave him high praise. "I think he is a top-six forward in the NHL. He skates well, has a quick release and is a very good passer."
I don't doubt that O'Sullivan possesses those attributes, but Dean Lombardi is a pretty astute GM, and he gave him away for injury-prone 29 year-old. It just doesn't seem right.
Jarret Stoll told me, "Sully has sick skills. He is a great passer, and isn't afraid to shoot. He should really help the Oilers. We have been penalty killing together and he is very quick."
I can see why the Wild traded him, because they wanted a proven passer to play with Demitra, but why the Kings gave up on him is perplexing. What about someone who hasn't been associated with him? I spoke to a scout from San Jose.
"His awareness on the ice is exceptional. He skates well, but has long stretches where he doesn't battle hard enough, and can be lazy. When he is on he can be a difference maker, and he isn't afraid to shoot, but like most players his age consistency is an issue."
We will see if he can find the consistency to go with his skill set.
If Bill Guerin was scratched on Saturday, why did it take so long for him to get traded? — Mitch
The Islanders only dressed 19 players v. Buffalo on Saturday, and with Bill Guerin being a late, and supposedly healthy, scratch there was lots of speculation he was going to be dealt. There was lots of talk that the Capitals and Islanders had a deal in place, but somehow it fell through. The Islanders had no choice but to sit him out again on Monday v. Colorado after scratching him on Saturday.
It didn't look good in my opinion, and it's fitting that the Islanders ended up getting less for Bill Guerin than the Leafs got for Dominic Moore. After the Capitals deal fell through, it looks like the Islanders just gave Guerin away for anything. Guerin had a no-movement deal and made it clear he only wanted to go to an Eastern team. That left the Islanders seven or eight trading partners in the East. Clearly there wasn't much interest so the Penguins got him for a conditional pick. If they miss the playoffs the Islanders get a fifth, if they make it a fourth, and if they win one round a hird. Not much for a guy who sat out two games.
Is it a coincidence that most of the scumbag, loser, and dirtiest trash hockey players in the NHL have at some point played for Mark Crawford? — Dan
As a player, Crawford was chippy and intense. He has been behind the bench with players like Claude Lemieux, Chris Simon, Todd Bertuzzi, and Sean Avery.
I think it's more of a coincidence that they were on his team. He inherited all of them, excluding Lemieux whose first season in Colorado came in Crawford's second as coach of that organization. But do I think he liked his players to play on the edge? You bet.
Crawford has always had a few players who played on the edge, and in some cases crossed the line. If you're insinuating that Crawford is the reason they were cheap players, I would disagree. I've spoken to players who played for him and they said he was intense, and wanted his team to play an in-your-face style. But I don't believe he told Lemieux to crosscheck Draper into the boards, and I still don't think he told Bertuzzi to cheap shot Steve Moore to the extent he did.
There are many coaches who encourage their players to intimidate the opposition, but when a player commits a flagrant cheap shot, I find it hard to believe the coach told him to carry it out in that fashion. I know coaches have given guys the tap on the shoulder to go fight, or encourage their guys to "run" the opposition, but the decisions by Bertuzzi and Lemieux were ultimately made by those gents.
I'll be having Ron Low in studio very soon, and when I do I will ask him about Crawford's decision in round one of the 1998 playoffs when he had Warren Rychel and Jeff Odgers on the ice late to pound some non-heavyweight Oilers.
Why are Cogliano and Gagner so bad on draws? What do they need to do to improve? — DJ
I see a few reasons. First off, neither one is that strong just yet and their technique is their biggest downfall. When you watch them getting lined up for the draw they don't look comfortable. Adam Oates wasn't the strongest guy but he had incredible technique. Rod Brind'amour has strength and technique. Jarret Stoll has both as well. But 13 and 89 have neither right now. They will naturally get stronger as they mature and work out more, but their technique better improve or it won't matter.
Stoll told me a few years back that just entering the draw from the right angle can make a difference. Some other nuances include, the angle they put their stick at before engaging, finding a position that allows their body to move fluidly. It seems simple but lots of faceoff guys swear these nuances are what separate a guy from being 55% instead of 50%. Heck if Cogliano could be a 47% guy that would be major improvement. Both youngsters need to work harder at honing their skills on the dot, and Cogliano would probably see an increase of two to three minutes a game just because of it.
When is the right time to fire a coach? — Noel
Very tough question to answer. Look at the recent firings in the NHL and there is no trend that seems to suggest what is right. Atlanta, LA, Tampa, NYI, Colorado, Florida, San Jose and Toronto all had new coaches at the start of the year. Right now only San Jose and Florida are in the playoffs and San Jose was a great team before the coaching change.
Chicago and Tampa made changes early in the year, and it seems to have helped the Hawks but the Bolts still stink. Recently Pittsburgh, Ottawa and the Rangers have made changes. The Pens are 6-1-1 under Dan Bylsma. The Sens are 6-5-3 under Cory Clouston and the Rangers are 1-1-1 under John Tortorella.
The Sens have improved a bit, the Rangers are even and the Pens are finally playing like they should. I've always thought that coaching is a bit overrated. If you have good or great players they will make you look better. Some coaches can have teams improve by five or six wins a year, but I don't think coaching can make a team go from average to great.
I think timing is based on a feel. The GM needs to know his players and the dynamics of the room. Have they quit on the coach? Do they need to hear a new voice? Does the system fit the players?
To me it is easier to fire a coach than suggest as a GM that you haven't given him any legitimate tools to work with. Look at the eight new coaches that started the season: have any of them made a significant difference to the standings of their team? Peter Deboer in Florida might be the only one. They are on pace to finish with eight more points than last season, and should make the playoffs barring a collapse. I do think coaching can improve your team by four to five wins over the season, but most of it is up to the players to respond and play the system.
I think a change can have positive effects in that certain players will respond better to a new coach. The curiosity of how the Oilers would play without MacTavish is hard to ignore. You will find out next season if the Oilers don't make the playoffs, or if they have an uneventful first round exit.
Will the Oilers' new players be enough to get the Oilers in the playoffs, and who do you think is their best match-up in the first round? — Steven
I think O'Sullivan and Kotalik, along with the fact that Minnesota, Nashville and Anaheim didn't improve will be enough to get the Oilers in the playoffs. Before the Flames got Jokinen, I would have said the Flames were the best match-up, but now I'm not so sure. It is either the Flames or the Blackhawks, and based on the results between them so far this season you would have to think the Flames might be the best bet. I do think that the Hawks' inexperience makes them more vulnerable than the Flames, but screw logic.
I'd rather see a Battle of Alberta over any other first-round match-up. Detroit and San Jose would dominate the Oilers, while the Hawks and Oilers could be free wheeling, it wouldn't have the intensity of a BOA.
It has been 18 years since the Oil and Flames did battle for a meaningful game and that is long enough. The Flames have wrapped up third place, so it's up to the Oilers to get sixth. If they have to throw a game at the end of the year to make it happen, they better do so.
The fans need it, the media wants it, and the players should experience it. A playoff battle between the two cities after so long without one would be epic. All the Oilers have to do is be better than Columbus and Nashville down the stretch to make it happen. Really is that too much to ask? I think not.
I just hope like hell this kid works out here. Seems like he hasn't exactly had an easy run and it'd be nice to reverse the trend of this city devouring the newcomers. On the plus side he's not arriving with the expectations of Lupul, Penner or even Cole. C'mon Sully, light it up and be the new guy who finally makes good!
Also, I'm not sure if my liver or my marriage could survive 9 straight Battle of Alberta games...
In a day that saw Antropov and Guerin go for much less, Tambellini lands double for Cole. How did we get O'Sullivan, and so cheap? Kotalik was icing on cake.
Question that needs answer: Who the hell was the original person to think up such a convoluted deal? Thinking outside the box, advanced version
Any truth that LA wasn't impressed that the Canes were flipping O'Sullivan to the Oil? I heard that one this morning...
looking at yesterdays trades, as far as Im concerened Tambellini basically made Patrick OSullivan appear out of thin air. That's some SAVVVVVY GMing. Can't wait to see the new guys in action tonight!
@ Gregor:
As much as I agree with the need for a BOA, we would not win that series, even prior to the Jokinen trade. We made good hockey moves yesterday, but the fact still remains that Calgary is a big team and we are not. But I would still love to see that match up. Hemmer vs. Regher; Souray vs. Iginla; Penner's fat ass in Kippers face; Moreau vs. lunacy; MacT vs. Harvey the Hound; and of course the Sea of Blue vs. the Pee of Red! You're right...it would be epic. But we would be huge underdogs in that match up.
Peter Pan wrote:
But we would be huge underdogs in that match up.
just the way we like it.
March 05 2009, 09:52AM
Haha...I have a Jeff Odgers signed hockey card from when he was in San Jose.
My aunt got if for me when I was like 12 - I guess he is from her home town of Spy Hill, SK...I was like "Gee....thanks.....ummm....ya" This was before the internets and I couldn't even look him up to see who the hell he was.
Gregor, any word on why the Sabres were willing to deal with the Oil? I was pretty sure Darcy Regier was still pissed off at Kevin Lowe for the Vanek offer sheet. Although - that worked out well for them.
I love how Noel asked about firing the coach.
Too funny
Good read Gregor, do we know what the lines are going to be for sure tonight? I read different combos almost everywhere I go.
If the BOA does happen, I woul dbe hard pressed to survive in my office. I live in Calgary and while where I work there are a few Oiler fans (we stick together pretty tightly) the vast majority of the other 300 are Flamers.
If we lost, I'd never hear the end of it and My office would probably be pranked. If we won, I'd still vnever hear the end of it how we just got luck etc.
Still I think it would awesome!, the province would get destroyed and the two cities would be layed to waste. Alberta would become a wasteland of pumpjacks, wellheads a couple trees and the odd cow and tractor standing around...
So they offered Penner for Smyth straight across and got laughed at I bet?
March 05 2009, 10:16AM
Immediately after the trade, it seemed like everyone asssumed O'Sullivan would be slotted on the LW on our first line, and Kotalik would take Cole's place on RW on the second line. Why is it the other way around now?
I've heard that Kotalik and Hemmer are pals, as both are from the Czech republic, and Hemmer MAY have whispered in someone's ear about bringing him to Edmonton. Absolute pure 100% not-fact-based-at-all speculation.
But I heard it.
I like the trades although I must admit, I don't like to see Cole go. It's better than losing him for nothing, but I really thought Cole was turning the corner and was ready for a great stretch run. A real classy and down to earth guy. Good luck in Carolina EC!
Hey Gregor; any news that Mac T will try to get JDD a start on this roadtrip? Seems like one of these games is the best time to give Rollie a rest. Maybe Montreal? Don't French guys always play their best in the Homeland?
Did we put Moreau on IR?? If not we have to send someone down.
March 05 2009, 10:40AM
I think its a great move. We are adding 29 goals between 2 guys plus they like to shoot the puck (O'Sullivan 200 shots,Kotalik 153) Our best forward had only 147 and that happens to be Hemsky. Souray has the most shots taken with 213. So we know these guys will shoot the puck plus both of them can play any position unlike Cole who could only play his best on RW. MacT has lots of line combos to choose from. I just hope he gives them a chance and not bench them after a couple bad shifts.
Kotalik (30 years old) will give a boost to our PP on the point he has a great slap shot. Can play all postions, PP specialist and one of the best in shootouts. He basically replaces Vishnovsky PP2. Great Pickup, great trigger man for Hemsky. I'm a Sabres fan and really disappointed they let him go.
O'Sullivan NEW Cammalleri of Edmonton. lol
@ socaldave:
Makes sense and there are some other indications that may be true. Like this quote from the Journal today:
"The first message that Ales Kotalik received was from Ales Hemsky, his new Edmonton Oilers teammate. His new linemate. His old friend.
"We had always talked about the possibility of whether or not I'd ever get the chance to play in Edmonton," said Kotalik before he made his way from Buffalo to Ottawa."
Tommy wrote:
"We had always talked about the possibility of whether or not I'd ever get the chance to play in Edmonton," said Kotalik ...
Not that Kotalik qualifies as a prime UFA target or anything but the quote actually made me re-read it just to be sure I understood what he said.
The way Edmonton seems to be a media whipping boy for players not wanting to come here I fully expected the quote to say;
"We had always talked about the possibility of whether or not he'd ever get the chance to play in Buffalo,"
March 05 2009, 10:57AM
hopefully we get to see some Czech magic - I'm pumped to see how these guys gel together.
CurtisS wrote:
Gregor Did we put Moreau on IR?? If not we have to send someone down.
Curtis (and I stand to be corrected), now that we're passed the deadline, we do not have any roster concerns. We can carry as many players as we have to.
Holy crap its not Groundhog Day.
@ socaldave @ CurtisS:
at least I'm pretty sure I heard Gregor say that yesterday (my bad for not giving you the nod, JG)
@ socaldave: You are correct. I just went throught the CBA. And now Moreau is on IR.
March 05 2009, 11:45AM
The Towel Boy wrote:
Gregor, any word on why the Sabres were willing to deal with the Oil? I was pretty sure Darcy Regier was still pissed off at Kevin Lowe for the Vanek offer sheet. Although - that worked out well for them.
Sure Regier was a bit pissed at the start, but it was team President Larry Quinn that was ranting and raving the most..He was the one who spouted this, "As it comes to the Edmonton Oilers, if there is an opportunity for us to put an offer sheet on a player any time as long as we're alive, we'll be very comfortable doing that. And they can expect that."
It wasn't Regier, and looking at Vanek's seven million dollar contract it isn't out of whack. I always said that there wasn't going to be sour grapes long term. If you recall Kevin Lowe told Regier in advance he was going to table and offer and Regier said he would match it. Both were true to their word, so there is no real animosity.
CurtisS wrote:
Good read Gregor, do we know what the lines are going to be for sure tonight? I read different combos almost everywhere I go.
Kotalik Horcoff Hemsky Pouliot Gagner O'Sullivan Penner Cogliano Pisani Reddox/Jacques Brodziak Stortini CurtisS wrote:
Gregor Did we put Moreau on IR?? If not we have to send someone down.
Moreau was placed on IR today, but even if he wasn't Tambellini told me yesterday that now the roster can be 24 or 25 guys if you like, so when he is activated they don't have to send anyone down if they don't want to.
Reddox is the only one who doesn't have to clear waivers right now, and along with Jacques and MacIntyre they are the three on two-way deals.
March 05 2009, 11:45AM
Hey Gregor, Why is it some media guys tend to ask such stupid questions to the new guys coming in? Listening to the conference call yesterday first I was shaking my head when the guy from CTV made the comment to O'Sullivan about coming to the NHL's northern outpost.. like what the hell why even draw attention to that? Then I think it was Tencer who asked O'Sullivan if he spoke with Rob Daum since news of the trade?!?!?! WTF yes I was just traded so the first person I am going to call is my old coach from 3 years ago?!?! I could see if he asked have you spoken to Stoll or Greene about playing here..but Daum!! I just shook my head and thought great first impression guys..
March 05 2009, 11:52AM
the Menace wrote:
Immediately after the trade, it seemed like everyone asssumed O'Sullivan would be slotted on the LW on our first line, and Kotalik would take Cole's place on RW on the second line. Why is it the other way around now?
I wondered that too. People seem to have gotten excited about the whole 'Czech-mate' concept with Hemsky that they have ignored the fact that Kotalik is primarily a RW. (Yes, he can and has played off-wing before, but so has Eric Cole. Enough said.) Pati-O is a C/LW, so he would be a much more logical fit on the top line than Kotalik.
Ender the Dragon wrote:
(Yes, he can and has played off-wing before, but so has Eric Cole. Enough said.)
I fall in the wait and see category when it comes to Kotalik playing opposite Hemsky but I think it's worth pointing out that Cole shoots left and Kotalik shoots right.
Assuming the reports are true that he has a cannon, a right handed shooter playing Hemsky's left side is already a better fit than Cole.
March 05 2009, 12:01PM
@ Rick:
It's already been pointed out that Kotalik can and probably will play the left-side point on the power-play, but I can't see him on the left side long-term at even-strength.
March 05 2009, 12:04PM
West Coast Oil wrote:
Hey Gregor, Why is it some media guys tend to ask such stupid questions to the new guys coming in? Listening to the conference call yesterday first I was shaking my head when the guy from CTV made the comment to O'Sullivan about coming to the NHL's northern outpost.. like what the hell why even draw attention to that? Then I think it was Tencer who asked O'Sullivan if he spoke with Rob Daum since news of the trade?!?!?! WTF yes I was just traded so the first person I am going to call is my old coach from 3 years ago?!?! I could see if he asked have you spoken to Stoll or Greene about playing here..but Daum!! I just shook my head and thought great first impression guys..
I was thinking the same thing. I thought the obvious and most pressing question was what position are you comfortable playing, so I asked it. And I was 5th in the que. Kotalik likes the LW and O'Sullivan said either wing is fine for him, although he had been playing mostly LW in LA. So I wonder if Pouliot will move to the RW or if it will be O'Sullivan tonight.
I've always said a good interview is 50% the reporter and 50% the guest. If you don't ask smart questions you won't get a good answer. I've had some brutal ones in my day.
Best was with Mike Babcock two years ago. I asked him some long-winded confusing question. He looked at me and said, "What did you just ask? Try it again in English."
I reworded it in about eight words, and he gave me an answer. After the scrum he came up to me and said, "Sorry if I embarrassed you, but I had no idea what you asked."
I said no need to apologize I was too wordy and confusing. We then proceeded to discuss the merits of a good question. To this day when I see him, he keeps me on my toes in how I ask a question. Good lesson from him.
@ Ender the Dragon:
I don't either, I was just pointing out a difference between Cole and him.
I think there is immediately a better chance of success for Kotalik given the difference.
March 05 2009, 12:10PM
Rick wrote:
@ Ender the Dragon: I don't either, I was just pointing out a difference between Cole and him. I think there is immediately a better chance of success for Kotalik given the difference.
Don't forget the fact that they are Czech-mates. *chuckle*.
March 05 2009, 12:16PM
the Menace wrote:
Rick wrote: @ Ender the Dragon: I don't either, I was just pointing out a difference between Cole and him. I think there is immediately a better chance of success for Kotalik given the difference. Don't forget the fact that they are Czech-mates. *chuckle*.
If both Ales' are such good buddies I can see Hemmer working his butt off to get Kotalik the puck in prime scoring areas just to improve the odds the Oilers resign him in the off season.. This may be a great move by the Oil as a Hemmer with a purpose ca be a powerful tool in the fight against evil!
March 05 2009, 12:18PM
@Gregor.. it was great to hear your question.. one that made sense and received an answer we cared about.
March 05 2009, 12:18PM
Chaz wrote:
Hey Gregor; any news that Mac T will try to get JDD a start on this roadtrip? Seems like one of these games is the best time to give Rollie a rest. Maybe Montreal? Don't French guys always play their best in the Homeland?
He does have to play sometime, and MacTavish thinks playing him on the road is better than at home, so having him playing in Montreal could make sense, but I think Roloson will keep playing until they get to another back-to-back in mid March, and even then it might not happen.
Jason Gregor wrote:
Kotalik Horcoff Hemsky Pouliot Gagner O'Sullivan Penner Cogliano Pisani Reddox/Jacques Brodziak Stortini
Frickin' Pouliot! Mother F'n %$@#**@#!!!!! Can't get over the Pouliot/Parise thing!
And what happens when Moreau returns? Nillson and Penner to the press box?
Also, for the love of GOD MacT...would you please keep the line up intact for more than 30 seconds!?!?!? That's like me changing wives every second day... now how could we develop a strong connection? No...wait...scratch that. CHANGE THE LINES MACT!!! CHANGE THE LINES!!
March 05 2009, 12:41PM
@Gregor.. Wouldn't it make more sense to slot Nillson into the second line as he has been working hard as of late and is more of a set up man so the chemistry between him and O'Sullivan who is a shooter should be greater than between Pouliot who is a ____ (fill in descriptor of choice here) and O'Sullivan??
@ Jason Gregor: I was listening to your show when you asked Tambelini about Cole's contract and if one was ever offered or discussed. I like Steve T. but I didn't like how he danced around the answer only to end with he really didn't want to talk about that right now. I personally got the impression that they didn't offer him a deal and had no intentions of doing so. What was your take and is there more to this?
Also, I missed your discussion with the guy from LA about why the Kings gave up on a up and coming player with so much potential.
shakey wrote:
@ Jason Gregor: I was listening to your show when you asked Tambelini about Cole's contract and if one was ever offered or discussed. I like Steve T. but I didn't like how he danced around the answer only to end with he really didn't want to talk about that right now. I personally got the impression that they didn't offer him a deal and had no intentions of doing so. What was your take and is there more to this?
Not that you were asking me but I ended up with the sense that based on their general conversation with Cole, he was looking to explore free agency so there was no reason to try and enter negotiations.
Not necessarily as an outright rejection of Edmonton but just to see what kind of options were out there.
@ Rick: Rick, I never really saw or heard any interviews that I really got a good read on Cole so I don't have anything to say to that. My feelings were based completely on what I heard Tambo say on Gregors show. I don't know what I wanted to hear from him on the Cole contract issue but I didn't like his 'avoid the answer' answer. This is just my take on it.
With that being said, I do like the deals and I'm glad they got something now instead of jack in the summer.
March 05 2009, 01:03PM
@ Jason Gregor:
throw a game?
*searches brain frantically for a funny Field of Dreams reference*
March 05 2009, 01:03PM
What the odds that Miro Satan is picked up? will he be back on the Pens in a week? Why wouldnt you grab him, he has 17 or so goals, not too bad, sure he may not be the most competive guy.
March 05 2009, 01:08PM
@ Peter Pan: I agree with Peter Pan why in the hell Pouliot in on the second line.Seriously this Pouliot/Redox bs has to stop. WTF is MacT thinking? In his head Pouliot/Redox are 1st and 2nd line wingers. Give your head a shake MacT.My 5 year old can come up with better line combos. I'm Pissed.
March 05 2009, 01:11PM
Confirmed...4th line is Jacques with Brodziak and Stortini.
And O'Sullivan is LW with Gagner and Pouliot on RW
Scratches, Nilsson, Reddox and MacIntyre
March 05 2009, 01:15PM
shakey wrote:
was listening to your show when you asked Tambelini about Cole's contract and if one was ever offered or discussed. I like Steve T. but I didn't like how he danced around the answer only to end with he really didn't want to talk about that right now. I personally got the impression that they didn't offer him a deal and had no intentions of doing so. What was your take and is there more to this?
Cole had no interest in discussing and extension during the year. When he and Tambellini met, Tambellini basically asked what his thoughts were and if he wasn't interested in extending then they would move him. Cole's extended family is in Carolina so it makes perfect sense why he went back there, and Tambellini did a decent job in getting something for him.
Cole liked it here, but liked Carolina more. There is nothing more to it. I have an article coming about this subject next week.
@ Jason Gregor:
Thanks Gregor.
March 05 2009, 01:27PM
West Coast Oil wrote:
Wouldn't it make more sense to slot Nillson into the second line as he has been working hard as of late and is more of a set up man so the chemistry between him and O'Sullivan who is a shooter should be greater than between Pouliot who is a ____ (fill in descriptor of choice here) and O'Sullivan??
The thing is Pouliot, and most know I'm not the biggest fan, has more goals than Nilsson at this point. He has played four minutes less per game, and Pouliot hasn't had the linemates Nilsson has. And Pouliot has 84 shots compared to Nilsson's 63.
Some of you are in love with the "potential" of Nilsson, but don't see that he has done nothing this year. Outside of two games when he played on the 4th line he has been on the 2nd line most times, and he had a few chances on the 1st line also, and his stats don't show any of it.
When he is on, he plays well, but NOT ONCE has he been a star in any game. That much talent, and not once can he even get a third star of the game. Hell Stortini, Reddox and Strudwick have been stars in a game this year.
If Nilsson isn't producing, why do you insist on just playing him. He has had 51 games to get it going. Now before you say what about Gagner? I agree he has done nothing either. The difference is that Gagner looks interested most night, even though he turns the puck over more often than Penner has seconds at the buffet.
Pouliot has to prove a hell of a lot more to me, but in the games when he has played on the 2nd line he has produced, and that is the most important to me. Offensive guys need to produce, and Pouliot over the course of the year has produced more goals and shots in four minutes a night less of icetime.
Stats don't always tell the whole story, but it's not like Nilsson has been doing the little things to overshadow them. He has been way to inconsistent, just like his dad was for many years. When he is on, he is better than Pouliot, but the problem is his ON games are rare.
I can't believe that I'm taking Pouliot over Nilsson right now, but 50 games is a pretty good base so I will say today not a bad choice. I still think if Nilsson ever realized to play more consistently, he would be ahead of Pouliot without a doubt. The problem is that four years into his NHL career he hasn't done it.
March 05 2009, 01:36PM
Poo tries hard and I like that about him, that's for sure.
March 05 2009, 01:52PM
The only thing that i don't get why is Gagner centering the 2nd line instead Of Cogs. That line doesn't make any sense. Neither Gagner or Pouliot don't deserve to be there. I guess it's all based on their last performances against the preds not their overall season performance.
March 05 2009, 02:36PM
Pouliot scored last game, don't forget. It wouldn't make much sense to say " you scored, now you're benched!"
As for Kotalik, he has had 25 goals before playing on the third line in Buffalo. He could get 35 playing with Hemmer for a season.
I have a good question Gregor for you to ask Lowe- "why didn;t they try to make a trade for Kotalik two summers ago instead of that stupid offer sheet to Penner."?? For all the anger we have about the blown money, how about the first second and third draft picks??: Aw, we would have blown them on Niinimaki and Rita and Heinrich anyway.


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Fall Semester:
- Ernie Goodman Mock Trial Tournament
The Ernie Goodman Mock Trial Tournament is hosted by the Moot Court Board of Advocates and named for one of Michigan's finest trial attorneys and civil rights advocates, Mr. Ernie Goodman. Competitors, in teams of two, are required to attend trial workshops, to produce a trial notebook, and to try the competition case at least twice (once as plaintiff and once as defendant) in the preliminary rounds of the tournament. The trial will be evaluated by judges and attorneys who act as judge and jury. Two teams will then advance to the final round, with cash prizes available. Regardless of whether students enroll for credit, the prerequisites are Evidence and Trial Practice (either the traditional course or the NITA intercession course). Students must have a cumulative grade point average of 2.5 or above to enroll for academic credit.
Spring Semester:
- Patrick A. Keenan Appellate Advocacy Competition
The Keenan Competition is an annual tournament administered by UDM's Moot Court Board of Advocates. The tournament is a two-person team competition in which both students write the brief and compete in oral rounds. Students participate in a series of workshops and are assigned a coach from the Moot Court Board of Advocates to prepare for oral argument. The topic of the tournament is an issue taken from a case currently pending and/or up for writ of certiorari before the Unites States Supreme Court, or an issue that is generating attention among the federal circuits. The competition is open to ALL upperclassmen that have a minimum GPA of 2.5. Further, students can receive one (1) credit for completing the tournament. This competition is mandatory for all Junior Moot Court members, with the exception of those serving on national teams.
- G. Mennen Williams Moot Court Competition
This is the mandatory first-year moot court competition and is part of the Applied Legal Theory and Analysis course. Students will draft a dispositive motion and brief in support as part of their writing course. They will then argue their position before a mock tribunal. Students will receive in-class oral advocacy training from their ALTA professors as well as from the Moot Court Board of Advocates.
External Competitions
Each year the Moot Court Board of Advocates sponsors competitive teams that travel across the country to argue mock appellate cases against law students from other American and Canadian law schools. In the past, substantive law topics have included Civil Rights, Constitutional Law, Employment Law, Entertainment Law, Environmental Law, International Law, and Tax Law. Team members are selected in the second week of the fall semester to serve on a competitive team the following spring. In the spring semester, two- to four-member teams will write an appellate brief and prepare oral arguments that will be heard before a mock appellate court. Students will then travel to the host school and present their arguments over the course of one weekend. Advanced Advocacy is a pre- or co-requisite, and students must have a cumulative grade point average of 2.8 or above to tryout and compete.


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Student Commencement speakers challenge, celebrate
By Katie EllisTwo very different student speakers addressed fellow graduates at Fall Commencement on Dec. 13: Ida Amelia Jones, newly minted with a doctoral degree in translation studies, and Anthony Corvino, a political science major who loves comedy and performance.
Jones (pictured) breathed a sigh of relief "to really savor the moment" as she began her remarks. "Despite the excitement, the distractions, the uproar in the world around us, despite the personal turmoil in our lives, somehow, we have managed to do what at times may have seemed nigh impossible," she said. "But now the fun begins. … Ask yourself: How can I serve? What can I do to help? It does not have to be a grand gesture; not a first. And it may only impact the person next to you. But whatever you do, pay it forward…."
Corvino, who said he was chosen to speak on behalf of the undergraduate students because he represented the "average" student, kept the audience laughing throughout his remarks — with messages of thanks thrown in.
"Maybe average is the new exceptional," he said. "Our time has come. For too long our voices, the voices of the average, have been drowned out in a sea of unique individuals and overly exceptional people.
"I am sorry to say average will never be fame, or fortune or the American Dream. Average is something much more. Average is the parent who drives their son or daughter to school every day so their child may have a better life than the one they had. Average is the professor who helps you understand that knowing who you are and owning your own sense of identity will make you a stronger individual not only here but more importantly, in life."
Corvino also reminded fellow students that "average is knowing that you don't receive respect, you earn it. And you aren't given opportunity, you fight for it. And if anyone tries to tell you different, they're lying. Average is amazing.
"The point is, we all came to Binghamton University knowing little of what we would become, or what we would accomplish, but we will leave knowing who we are. And that is a gift to be treasured and remembered."
See photos from Commencement at the Alumni Association's photo sharing site. Watch speeches and other videos from Commencement at the University's site on YouTube.


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By GARY ARRINGTONSports Reporter
The Emery High Baseball team finished an up and down season with a loss to the Snow Canyon Warriors last Friday. With the loss, the Spartans finished the season tied for fifth place in 3-A baseball. This greatly exceeded the forecasters predictions for this team but not the team and their expectations of themselves.
Emery's two losses in this tournament came against the eventual champion PineView 4-0 last week in Washington and against second place finisher Snow Canyon 10-0 in Ogden Friday morning. Emery defeated Cedar City 6-2 Thursday morning and whipped Tooele 7-3 Thursday afternoon to make it to the final six.
Against Cedar City, Bowie Jeffs pitched a complete game and struck out seven batters in the process to pick up the victory. He allowed a run in the sixth inning and another in the seventh. Emery, on the other hand, scored one run apiece in the second and third innings and then added four more in the bottom of the sixth inning.
Jeffs and Chandler Pearson each went two for three at the plate to pace the Spartans. Pearson also added an RBI and scored twice for the Spartans.
In the afternoon game, Pearson went on the mound for the Spartans and also got the victory in a complete game performance. He struck out 10 Tooele batsmen in the victory.
Tooele was able to score only in the third inning as Emery shut them down the rest of the way. The Spartans scored five runs in the second inning and a run each in the fourth and sixth innings. Kadin Wilson, Chandler Tanner and Brady Larsen each had a double in the Spartan victory. Emery had a total of 12 hits in the game while Pearson allowed Tooele only four.
On Friday, the Spartans managed only two hits against Snow Canyon as the warriors sent Emery packing 10-0. Tyrel Bennett, Landon Watson and Conlee Luke all pitched for the Spartans, as they gave up 10 runs and 13 hits. One of Emery's hits was a triple by Garrett Swenson.
With most of the team back next year, the Emery fans should have high expectations for next season.


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Shirley Mae Graybeal
Shirley Mae Graybeal, a lifelong resident of this area, passed away at Vista Grande Inn on Saturday, March 23, 2013, at the age of 88. She was born one of nine children to Herbert Lee and Nannie Ellen (Tate) Lewis on Aug. 29, 1924, in Naturita, Colo.
Shirley enjoyed woodworking.
Surviving Shirley are her son Elbert Colcord and wife, Marilyn of Tennessee Colony, Texas; a step-daughter, Darlene Graybeal of Las Vegas, Nev.; and three grandchildren, 13 great grandchildren and two great great grandchildren. Shirley was preceded in death by her parents; her husband, Roger Franklin Graybeal in 1982; a step-son, Emerson Graybeal; and her eight siblings.
Cremation has taken place with memorial services to be held at a later date. Memorial contributions can be made in memory of Shirley Graybeal with Vista Grande Inn, 680 E. Hospital Drive, Cortez or Hospice of Montezuma, PO Box 740, Cortez.
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Jonathan Product
Jonathan Product Green Rootine Nourishing Conditioner
- Overview
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- Formula includes black cumin, wheat germ, rosemary, avocado, spearmint and orange essential oils to revive and cool the scalp while deeply replenishing the hair by providing vitamins and other nutrients.
- Free of synthetics, parabens, sulfates, silicone and petrochemicals.
- 100% vegan.
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Jonathan Product Green Rootine Nourishing Conditioner is an all-natural formulation that thoroughly conditions and nourishes the hair for a silky texture, shiny appearance and perfect manageability.
Water, Cetearyl Alcohol (Vegetable), Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Nigella Sativa (Black Cumin) Seed Oil, Brassica Campestris (Rapeseed) Seed Oil, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Mentha Spicata (Spearmint) Oil, Citrus Sinensis (Orange) Peel Oil, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Oil
After cleansing with Green Rootine Shampoo, apply to wet hair and comb through. Rinse well.
JONATHAN PRODUCT is a line of performance driven, luxury hair care inspired by professional stylists to bring you salon hair at home A harmonious fusion of nature and technology, Jonathan Product's sulfate free and 100% vegan formulas utilize purified, de-ionized Essential WaterT infused with natural botanicals to leave hair manageable and effortlessly beautiful. All products are free of sulfates, parabens, phthalates and gluten.
Good Product, But A Couple Of HurdlesI have natural, type 4 hair. I recently decided to go silicone free, and in my quest to find silicone free conditoners, I stumbled across this "green" line, and decided to give it a try.
I was so excited to try it, first thing I did I was slather it on my dry hair, to use as a leave in. It turned out to be a little too sticky for that purpose, but even more offensive was the smell. Now believe me, I love natural scents, love aromatherapy/essential oils, I'm all for it, I prefer it, I look out for it. But this really pushed my limits - it smells of spearmint, which is fine, but then there's this...more earthy smell that I struggled to get past. Perhaps it's the cumin listed in the ingredients, I'm not sure, but I felt very self conscious all day.
Next time I used it as a proper conditioner. It was fine, created slippage, but honestly just about anything silicone free is fine for my hair. The smell is much more tolerable if you wash the conditoner out, but it still does linger a bit. Even with other products on top of it, during the week I could still catch a whiff of the smell.
If you're adventurous, I say try it, the ingredients are all good things for your hair, no parabens, nothing your hair will hate, but others may hate you around them (my husband hated the smell). I say it's a medium moisterizing conditioner for type 4 - not very heavy, but not too light either. The price is another hurdle to overcome too - this isn't a large bottle at all. If you dislike natural scents, or are more used to synthetic fragrances, you will likely be quite turned off by the scent alone.
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Spoon River Valley Scenic Drive
The Spoon River Valley Scenic Drive Associates invite you to come to Fulton County, Illinois and enjoy the natural wonders of the Spoon River Valley. Spoon River has carved a wide scenic valley through Fulton County as it flows from London Mills to the south and east where it joins the Illinois River near the southeastern corner of the county. The Spoon River became nationally known from the work of Edgar Lee Masters, author of the noted Spoon River Anthology. Come on out the first two full weekends in October. There are over one hundred miles of scenic routes on the Spoon River Valley Scenic Drive to be enjoyed on this driving tour with beautiful fall colors. There will be food, arts, crafts, entertainment and flea market. Visit 17 villages and historic sites!
Opened in October 2012, this new visitor's center celebrates the long history of the Caterpillar Company. Visitors can explore the past by taking a journey back in time via historic photos and antique equipment. Visitor favorites include a 24-foot tall 797 mining truck that doubles as a movie theater and a product floor complete with simulators to explore its world-famous product line.
Opened in October 2012, this brand new 80,000 square-foot building is a world-class facility located on Peoria's downtown riverfront. The museum features a 3D giant screen theater and digital planetarium, as well as history, science, art and achievement exhibits for all ages.
Formerly known as the Illinois Asylum for the Incurable Insane. Come take a tour and hear stories of the history of the hospital, employees and the inmates. See how this nationally recognized historic
The Shoppes at Grand Prairie ~ a vibrant, open-air lifestyle center in Peoria ~ is the premier dining and shopping destination for the region. The Shoppes features an exciting blend of retailers and restaurants, along with our anchor stores: Bergner's, DSW, Jillian's and Dick's Sporting Goods. The center is highlighted by an inviting, lushly landscaped outdoor environment that features animal sculptures throughout the center, the nationally acclaimed Holocaust Memorial Button exhibit filled with 11 million buttons, the Caterpillar children's play area, and weekend entertainment.
An elegantly appointed venue along Peoria's Riverfront, the Gateway offers the finest surroundings for your next business or social function. Constructed in 1997, this beautiful building was designed and created to be the focal point of Peoria's Riverfront. The Gateway is conveniently located downtown just one block from Interstate 74 and is within walking distance of hotels, major businesses, and many restaurants. The Riverfront provides a spectacular backdrop with its stunning views and the vibrant nightlife offers a unique and festive atmosphere. This is an affordable, convenient site for any meeting, banquet, or conference occasion. With the comfort and versatility the Gateway offers, you will want to make this the new home for your annual banquets and weekly meetings.
Pettengill - Morron House Museum
An 1868 Victorian mansion in the historic Moss-High District. The museum houses decorative arts, fine textiles, antique furniture and silver collections.
Contemporary Art Center of Peoria
Peoria's cultural hub featuring art exhibitions, artist studios, art instruction, comedy improv, poetry nights, yoga and tai chi classes, and jazz and blues performances. The Contemporary Art Center exhibits the work of living artists at the forefront of their fields. About 20 resident artists are constantly creating art on-site, and prolific artist and co-founder Preston Jackson continues to maintain his sculpture and painting studio. The Contemporary Arts Center is also a great choice for your next event from club meetings to wedding receptions. The beautiful facility offers a meeting space of nearly 3,000 square feet, tables, chairs, a full kitchen, a stage with lighting and sound system, restroom facilities, plenty of parking space and lots more. The wheelchair accessible facility is located on Peoria's RiverFront on the 2nd floor of the building in an old warehouse with original exposed red brick and wood floors. Your guests can enjoy the art exhibit during your event as well. You may use any caterer you wish or cater the event yourself.
The premier on-site archaeological museum, located 45 miles southwest of Peoria, interprets the 12,000 year history of American Indian cultures in Illinois through artifacts, interpretive exhibits, major multi-image productions, hands-on activities and a variety of public events in a rural setting.
Located 8 miles north of downtown Peoria on Route 40. Wheels O'Time features vintage and classic autos, Early Ford V8 Club rotating monthly, gas engines, fire engines, airplanes, tractors, musical instruments, juke boxes, toys, dolls, animated miniature circus, and many "hands-on" displays. Open May-October, Wednesday-Sunday, Noon-5 p.m. with a new Ford exhibit on display every month.
See the local Historical Society's authentic preservation of an 1800s school and town jail. Tours by appointment.
Bradley University is an independent, privately endowed, coeducational institution. With an enrollment of approximately 6,000 students, Bradley University is the ideal size for living and learning. The University offers a full range of baccalaureate and graduate level programs as well as personal attention, from a faculty dedicated to student learning.
The John C. Flanagan House Museum was built in 1837 on Peoria's east bluff by John C. Flanagan and is the oldest standing house in Peoria. This American Federal style house offers a spectacular view of the Illinois River Valley.
Offers a variety of speakers specializing in a diverse field of topics for nonprofit organizations. Campus tours available. Professional Development Institute offers seminars and workshops in the areas of computers, health, management and special interests (can be customized).
CITY:East Peoria
Our mission is to preserve and celebrate Peoria's story. We own two historic house museums and provide certified guides for the History Trolley and other tours. The focus has changed and evolved through the years, but our commitment to preservation remains strong. programs are offered for both local residents and out-of-town visitors. We seek to entertain the eye and stimulate the mind as well as support historical scholarship and collaborate with other preservation organizations. We look to the future with a vision to be the resource and advocate for historical preservation and research on the Peoria area, its organizations and its people. As a collaborative partner of the Peoria Riverfront Museum, we are pleased to have the opportunity to display some of the Society's artifacts and present the history of the Peoria area in the museum.
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Tails were wagging everywhere one looked as nearly 100 dog lovers and supporters — and their dogs — hit the trail at Hidden Mesa Open Space in Franktown to support the safety of two of the Douglas County's Sheriff's Office's five working dogs.
The Wag Your Tail dog walk and barbecue June 22 helped raise $3,000 of the necessary $4,500 to purchase Kevlar vests for Zoos and Doc, the two newest dogs in the unit.
The event, organized by the Friends of Douglas County K-9 Foundation, was used not only to raise money for the vests, but to educate the public on the K-9 unit.
"We wouldn't be able to have the necessary tools we need to be successful and safe if it wasn't for the donations we receive," said Deputy Greg Black, who had the unfortunate experience of having one of his dogs wounded by gunfire in the past.
While the sheriff's department funds many of the necessary items for the dogs, the foundation formed in 2011 to help take care of other costs, such as the purchase of bulletproof vests and the continuation of veterinary care for the retired dogs.
"We saw a need to help replace the dogs that were retiring, to help care for the retired dogs and that the dogs need equipment," said veterinarian David Swieckowski, who has been caring for the county's dogs at the Franktown Animal Clinic for 17 years.
In the past two years, the foundation has raised close to $176,000 to help the Douglas County K-9 Unit attend outside trainings with some of the world's top trainers; purchase training equipment, supplies and veterinary care; and purchase Zoos, Doc and the third-newest member of the unit, Tank.
In addition to the important police work the dogs do, Deputy Paul Montville said the most important aspect of their jobs is "their ability to be ice breakers and act like a go-between" between the officers and the public at events such as the barbecue, where the officers and their dogs put on a full demonstration and fielded questions about what it is like in the field, living with their dogs and more.
The county's K-9 unit, established in 1989, is used primarily for narcotics work as well as some patrol work, helping deputies locate and catch suspects.
"We are on call 24 hours, seven days a week," Black said. "We're basically paid chauffeurs. When that call comes in at 4 a.m. they don't care about us, just the dogs."
If interested in donating to the Friends of Douglas County K-9 Foundation or learning more about the unit or foundation, please visit www.K9friends.org.
K-9 Unit by the numbers 2011-12:
3,443 proactive deployments
2,159 building searches
708 officer protection deployments
405 assists on arrests
67,833 grams of marijuana located
194 grams of hard drugs located
342 discoveries of drug paraphernalia
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GDB 18: Motor City Madness
November 17 2008 03:30PM
It's not quite River City Ransom, and it hardly has the cache of Edward Furlong's Academy-Award-not-even-remotely-being-nominated-for performance in Detroit Rock City, but some terrifying and eye-catching hybrid of the two is taking place tonight. On skates. And ice.
And you can bet your ass the Justice League™ will be paying close attention, watching for facial ticks and heated exchanges of words as MacT continues to grey at an alarming rate, and Dustin Penner sits comfortably in the press box. Meanwhile, the entire 'Sphere speculates on both of those guys' futures with the club (check Lowetide, Covered in Oil and BDHS for some good comments on those issues).
All this off-and-on-ice furor is the result of MacT's positively scathing indictment of Penner's performance and attitude in the Edmonton Journal. I'm not going to add to the crap storm here. I'm just going to cross my fingers, consume a 15-pack of Vitamin-P and hope for a checkmark in the W column.
Go Oil!
November 17 2008, 07:12PM
We need a Sutter...
to ro-sham-bo guys when they are playing like pussies.
Not skating fast enough, here feel this branding iron.
May Brian Burke would take a head coach position here???? LMFAO
November 17 2008, 07:13PM
JS- I agree. MacT has been given leeway that no coach in the league has had in many years.
November 17 2008, 07:14PM
Ted nolan would be good for 40 games...
November 17 2008, 07:14PM
Only if Pat Burns grows back his mid 90's mullet.
John Tortorella has become soft on TSN, but I would love to see him yelling expletives at Brownlee during a post game media scrum.
Marc Crawford still reeks of Vancouver.
Ted Nolan would probably fit in well, what with all his cousins living in and around Edmonton.
November 17 2008, 07:15PM
MacT would have a new job moments after Tambo gave him the news
November 17 2008, 07:15PM
You know whats sad? Is Mac T knows. He knows the clock is ticking and he must be so mad/sad, that the most talent he's had the honor to coach aren't playing in front of him........
November 17 2008, 07:16PM
BUCK - As Mac T should. With a good young team. Maybe LA? Florida?
November 17 2008, 07:16PM
Nolan would live in the mustard seed for his 40 games
November 17 2008, 07:17PM
I do have to say, 2 lucky goals by the WINGS tonight on bad deflections, but the effort just isn't there.
November 17 2008, 07:18PM
Does MacT's job hinge on tomorrow night in Columbus?
November 17 2008, 07:18PM
Nah - MacT to Colorado
Granato won't last the year.
November 17 2008, 07:18PM
"Never the best thing when you're goalie is your best player"
I guess no one told Vancouver that.
I wonder if Kevin Constantine is available??
November 17 2008, 07:20PM
Do we see a change this week?
November 17 2008, 07:20PM
Constantine still in Everett I think
He'd be perfect, make the guys fly home in their equipment
November 17 2008, 07:20PM
Could I ask more questions?
November 17 2008, 07:21PM
May I answer your question with a question?
I don't know, can you???
November 17 2008, 07:22PM
And, no. I wouldn't be surprised to see MacT last until at least the all star break. Depending on how far into the red the team is at that point that is.
November 17 2008, 07:22PM
Alberta doesn't like indians, so Ted Nolan is out.
November 17 2008, 07:22PM
Phew...just stopped in real quick to check score.
(checks score)
November 17 2008, 07:25PM
Horcoff going to light it up now - Hungry like the wolf just played
Sorry BM
November 17 2008, 07:25PM
come on OIL third period, lets see some guts!
November 17 2008, 07:26PM
Get the comeback canon ready. I can feel it in my loins.
November 17 2008, 07:26PM
Was that a question?
November 17 2008, 07:27PM
Feeling your loins is the only way to make this game feel good......but it makes you a masochist....like a leafs fan.
November 17 2008, 07:29PM
4th line getting lots of time now - message getting sent?
November 17 2008, 07:30PM
The message may be being sent, but is there anyone out there to receive it??
who just left the ice holding their shoulder???
November 17 2008, 07:32PM
Gagner hit along boards
November 17 2008, 07:32PM
14 0f 19 on the road and we're three points back of first in the division.
If the team were working hard we'd be happier.
November 17 2008, 07:32PM
Pisani now?!@?!?!??!
Now Pisani too
November 17 2008, 07:33PM
November 17 2008, 07:33PM
that was ugly
November 17 2008, 07:33PM
Somebody is getting called up.
Who is the next call up from Springfield??
November 17 2008, 07:34PM
He played through COLITIS Louie - he's tough
November 17 2008, 07:34PM
Well, luckily for Pisani, he doesn't have to worry about making a triumphant comeback and winning the Masterson Trophy, because someone from the Eastern Conference is going to get strep throat or something and battle through that, and clearly be more deserving of it.
November 17 2008, 07:34PM
I would like to see Schremp get a real chance for once!!
November 17 2008, 07:36PM
Schremp can't replace Pisani - although Reddox can...
Maybe Gilbert 'Creme' Brule??
November 17 2008, 07:37PM
Did someone say Gagner got hurt too. I haven't been paying attention.
November 17 2008, 07:38PM
Conklin should not get a shutout on us....
November 17 2008, 07:38PM
Gagner left ice looking sore - not confirmed by Louie & Quinn yet.
Maybe Gene will fill us in ...now
I saw someone get hit along the boards, he came to a dead stop and skated slowly back to the bench holding his shoulder. I only saw an 8 on the jersey, someone else said it was Gagner


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But are they real Yixing?
Wheel-thrown. Ja!
Besides they state the following:
"Nei Zi Wai Hong" pot is very popular back in the 70's and 80's. During that time, the demand for zhuni is very high but the clay are limited, and zhuni shrink a lot when fired so it is not cost effective. Finally Yixing came out with an idea to make the pot using zini and then grind the zhuni as fine as powder and mix it with water then paint it or dip the pot in it so that the outer part of the zini pot is fully cover with zhuni and then fired. This kind of pot is call "Nei Zi Wai Hong" which looks like zhuni but cheaper than whole piece of zhuni."
I would add to that: And decide to start a production of wheel-thrown pots as a result of having developed a new strategy of cost reduction.
zini + zhu ni + wheel-throwing clearly reflects that new policy.
I wouldn't hold my breath for that sort of quality. $130 for that pot is a rip-off.
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Your debut was kind of like this:
Why not 200?
I was referring to the medium fired factory 5 versions only. I believe they have Shui Ping and Xi Shi only in a few sizes sorry i should have been more specific. But the higher fired ones aren't quite to the standard of those great medium fired ones. I did see one or two with the brown yixing color underneath the red clay exterior like that (Nei Zi Wai Hong) on a few high fired ones so I just stick with the Factory 5's from them now. Anyway who cares about the Nei Zi Wai Hong i was referring to their pure clays. However, I'm taking a break from all the Hong Ni for a little anyway and on to my next mission now: finding 80 ml or less genuine Zi Sha & Di Cao Qing and at the same time keep the shapes strictly to the more masculine yang types with short features, wide openings, thick walls, and quick pours.


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Todd Jeffs' health classes were the setting for dating violence workshops. On Oct. 31, Jan West, a graduate student with the University of Utah who is interning with the Division of Child and Family Services here in Emery County, addressed the classes on the topic of dating violence.
West began the classes with introductions and explained to the high school students that dating violence is on the rise.
She said incidents have risen from 16 percent to 24 percent over the past several years.
West asked the students to identify the elements of a healthy relationship.
The students came up with many elements, friendship, trust, kindness, humor, respect, honesty and good communication skills.
West then asked the students to identify what constitutes an unhealthy relationship, the group came up with controlling, abusive, mean, unloyal, jealousy or drug use.
West explained to the students these are the warning signs that a relationship is not healthy. When she asked the students why they thought the number of dating violence incidents are on the rise, they responded TV, frustration, parental abuse and drug abuse.
The class then watched a video demonstrating an unhealthy relationship between a young man and woman.
After the video, West asked the students for the opinions of this relationship.
This class was very savvy to what can happen and how things can get out of control relatively quickly.
Next for discussion was the cycle of violence. West explained that if a child sees violences or abuse in the home, they come to understand this is the norm for behavior.
Then as an adult, they continue to act out what they have been taught as a child.
Thus perpetuating the cycle of violence. She stressed the need for breaking this cycle.
All to often, the results of abuse can be devasting physically, emotionally, and can sometimes be fatal.
Along with Halloween treats, West handed out two pamphlets to the class about dating violence, how to stop the cycle and where to get help.
To receive help on the subject of dealing with violence in relationships, call Kathy Anderson at the Carbon and Emery Coalition on Domestic Violence at 381-4730.


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By COREY BLUEMELStaff writer
Sixteen seniors graduated from Green River High School on May 22. The auditorium was packed to capacity to cheer on and congratulate the students. Pat Brady, a teacher at the school welcomed everyone, including Royd Hatt and Marie Guymon representing the Emery County School Board, and JJ Grant and Jed Jensen from the District.
"I love my job," Brady said. "I just love working with students. It has been a privilege to be the advisor to this group of seniors. This has been a fun group. I have really enjoyed it. It is tough to see you go, although I know you are eager to get on with your lives. That's how it should be, but first I want to give you some advice."
Brady told the graduates to never give up and remember those who are following them and watching their progress. He gave the students the lyrics of the song Never Give Up and a poem entitled The Bridge Builder. "Keep your head up and don't let anyone discourage you," Brady concluded.
Class Valedictorian Leah Swalberg made a few remarks. She told how this class has been together for 12 years and reminisced with memories from each grade and each student. She also told of games they had played in elementary school. "I have many fond memories that will last a lifetime. Are these my classmates? Yes, but my friends and my mentors too," Swalberg said.
"Hopefully we each know where we want to go from here. It's our choice which path we take. The sky's the limit. This is our night, our time to shine. Those in attendance here tonight have given so much to us. This is the end of one era and the beginning of another. We have worn the colors with pride. Let's go Pirates, let's go," Swalberg concluded.
Salutatorian of the 2008 class Richard Scott Dean said, "During the time I have spent at Green River High School, I have developed friendships to last a lifetime. Look at the graduates. Each one has invested 13 years to get here tonight and each one is deserving of respect. We are on the threshold of the big step to the future. I want to thank all those who helped us get to this point," Dean stated.
Dean went on to say that until now, the graduates are a result of that help. He then gave one piece of advice. "In this competitive age which needs more educational skills, the more education we gain, the better off we will be."
Following Dean's remarks, a slide show was presented featuring photos of each graduate. Green River Principal Nolan Johnson said, "The graduates represent 13 years of challenges and tears. Well done parents." Johnson introduced the graduates while Hatt congratulated them and handed them their diplomas.
To close the ceremony, Troy Sweeten said, "I want to thank everyone. It has taken us a long time, with a lot of help from family and friends to get here. Thanks for coming."


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The popular "Stargate" franchise garnered fans all over the world. Expand your knowledge throughout the universe with this quiz on the starships of "Stargate."
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Question 1 of 30
In the "Stargate" franchise, which vessel was the first prototype combat spacecraft produced on Earth?
The X-301 Interceptor was lost during a failed test flight.
Question 2 of 30
The X-301 Earth starship was made of parts from which enemy craft?
Wraith dart
death glider
Goa'uld death glider parts were used to make the Earth X-301 Interceptor starship. A Goa'uld device within the ship sends it to Apophis' home world.
Ori mothership
Question 3 of 30
True or false: The X-301 starship first appears in the episode titled "Tangent."
The episode originally aired in the "Stargate SG-1" series on Sept. 15, 2000.
Question 4 of 30
In which "Stargate" series were the characters transported to a starship named Destiny?
"SGU Stargate Universe"
In "SGU Stargate Universe," a group of scientists, civilians and soldiers become trapped aboard the starship Destiny. The series premiered on Oct. 2, 2009.
"Stargate SG-1"
"Stargate: Atlantis"
Question 5 of 30
Which "Stargate" race did the Destiny spacecraft belong to originally?
The Destiny spacecraft originally belonged to the Ancients. The Destiny was a manned ship designed to follow automated probes that had previously been sent out by the Ancients as they searched for habitable planets.
Question 6 of 30
How many people were evacuated from the Icarus base to the Destiny ship?
In the series "SGU Stargate Universe," 80 people from the Icarus base were transported aboard the Destiny through a Stargate device.
Question 7 of 30
Which "SGU Stargate Universe" character was responsible for dialing the Destiny ship instead of Earth?
Everett Young
Nicholas Rush
Dr. Nicholas Rush insisted the escaping ship dial the Destiny on the Stargate device instead of Earth. His action, either misguided or evil (viewers are still debating his intentions), trapped passengers on the Ancient's vessel, Destiny.
David Telford
Question 8 of 30
In which "SGU Stargate Universe" episode did the crew learn how Destiny recharges?
In the episode titled "Light," the crew discovers that the Destiny recharges by flying into a star. The crew initially believed they were all going to die when ship and star collided.
Question 9 of 30
Which "Stargate: Atlantis" race hibernates aboard hive ships?
The Wraith hive ships first appeared in season one, episode two, titled "Rising, Part Two."
Question 10 of 30
Which starship was Earth's first large-scale interstellar spacecraft in "Stargate SG-1"?
In the 'Stargate SG-1" episode "Prometheus," the unfinished craft was hijacked by Col. Frank Simmons.
Question 11 of 30
What was the Prometheus hyperdrive powered by?
The discovery of the fictional element naquadria allowed the spacecraft of Earth to reach hyperspace for the first time.
Question 12 of 30
Which "Stargate SG-1" character was the first commanding officer of the Prometheus?
Maj. Samantha Carter
Col. William Ronson
In the series "Stargate SG-1," actor John Novak played Col. Ronson.
Col. Jack O'Neill
Question 13 of 30
Which "Stargate" race provided the shield and weapons technology for the Prometheus?
The Asgard were an intellectually advanced race that became one of Earth's most powerful allies.
Question 14 of 30
How many X-302 fighters can the Prometheus hold?
The Prometheus ship can hold eight X-302 fighters. An open launch bay allows the X-302 fighters to launch and return to the Prometheus at any time.
Question 15 of 30
Which "Stargate SG-1" character commands the Prometheus during the battle over Antarctica?
Lt. Col. John Sheppard
Gen. George Hammond
Actor Don S. Davis played Hammond in the series.
Col. Everett Young
Question 16 of 30
In which season of "Stargate SG-1" is the Prometheus destroyed?
season five
season seven
season nine
The Prometheus is destroyed during episode 15 of season nine. In the episode titled "Ethon," the Ori satellite weapon is used against the Prometheus, claiming the lives of 39 crew members.
Question 17 of 30
True or false: In the series "Stargate: Atlantis," the Daedalus travels between Earth and Atlantis in 18 weeks.
The Daedalus starship travels between Earth and Atlantis in just 18 days, one way. The Daedalus is a second generation interstellar vessel developed by the U.S. and its allies.
Question 18 of 30
Which "Stargate: Atlantis" character is the commander of the battle cruiser Daedalus?
Col. Steven Caldwell
Mitch Pileggi played Caldwell in 23 episodes of the series.
Lt. Aiden Ford
Maj. Evan Lorne
Question 19 of 30
What is the name of the Asgard scientist assigned to the Daedalus?
Hermiod is the Asgard scientist assigned to the Daedalus. The Asgard race first appears in the "Stargate SG-1" episode "Thor's Chariot" in season two of the series.
Question 20 of 30
What are the Atlantis support craft called in the series "Stargate: Atlantis"?
lead sleds
puddle jumpers
The cylindrical shape of the puddle jumpers allow them to travel through Stargate device wormholes.
jump jets
Question 21 of 30
Which "Stargate: Atlantis" character nicknamed the Atlantis support craft "puddle jumpers"?
John Sheppard
Actor Joe Flanigan played the character John Sheppard in the series.
Elizabeth Weir
Ronon Dex
Question 22 of 30
True or false: A Wraith dart can travel through a Stargate device.
The Wraith dart is capable of traveling through a Stargate device wormhole. The spacecraft first appeared in the "Stargate: Atlantis" episode "Rising, Part One," which originally aired on July 16, 2004.
Question 23 of 30
What is the title of the "Stargate: Atlantis" episode in which a puddle jumper is stuck in a Stargate?
"Thirty Eight Seconds"
"Thirty Eight Minutes"
"Thirty Eight Minutes" originally aired on July 30, 2004.
"Thirty Eight Hours"
Question 24 of 30
Which enemy race uses death gliders?
The Goa'uld fly death glider attack vessels. The death gliders were first seen in the 1994 feature film "Stargate."
Question 25 of 30
In which series does a Stargate Command team escape Apophis' mothership?
"SGU Stargate Universe"
"Stargate: Atlantis"
"Stargate SG-1"
The SG-1 team escapes the Apophis mothership in stolen death gliders in "Stargate SG-1." Shortly after the escape the mothership is destroyed.
Question 26 of 30
What are the large Goa'uld transport ships called?
The tetrahedral ha'tak spacecraft are used to carry Jaffa armies.
Question 27 of 30
What was the George Hammond spacecraft originally named?
The Daedalus-class George Hammond ship was originally named the Phoenix in the "SGU Stargate Universe" series.
Question 28 of 30
Which "Stargate" franchise character commands the George Hammond spacecraft?
Lt. Aiden Ford
Col. Samantha Carter
Actress Amanda Tapping appeared as Col. Carter in all three television series and both direct-to-DVD movies.
Col. Cameron Mitchell
Question 29 of 30
True or false: The Odyssey spacecraft is put into service before it's finished.
In "Stargate SG-1," the 90 percent operational spacecraft is rushed into service before it is completed. The ship is needed to extract the stranded SG-1 team from the planet P6G-452.
Question 30 of 30
How many giant city ships does the Atlantis expedition discover?
The Atlantis expedition discovers three giant city ship in "Stargate: Atlantis." The series ran for five seasons and a total of 99 episodes.


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she is soooo CUTE
This very cute MILF with nice tits deserved a much larger, creameier cumshot than this lame kid gave her.
Super geil !
Sie ist geil.
Who cares if they are noisy or not? At least it's not the phony "oh yeah, oh yeah" b.s. They are attractive and sexy. Love it!
Hey Girl! I love U! :)
fuck me
@Confused: LOL@'quietest fuck'
sooo damn cute...loved watching
who is that woman she had a nice boot
That was the quietest fuck I have ever heard...
wollen wir mal nen 3 machen ? ich bin knacke 16 jahre und hab bock auf richtig durch genommen werde
wak wak wak
who is the woman?
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Apache Mens Holster Pocket Work Trousers Black Waist 30" Leg 31"
Apache 300g Poly Cotton work trouser with a modern low cut waist and comfort leg fitment (wider fitting for comfort whilst kneeling) reinforced with Cordura on knees and holster pockets.Made from 65% polyester and 35% cotton for added strenght and durability, they have top loading hook and Loop fastening knee pad pockets that are reinforced with Cordura.There are two tuck away holster pockets with Cordura, phone pocket designed to hold larger modern phones, pen pockets, large utility pocket and 2 large bellowed pockets at the rear with press stud fasteners.The trousers have also a Cordura reinforced hem.
Available in 3 leg lengths for optimal comfortable fitting and come in 29, 31 and 33 inch. With waist sizes 30 to 42 inch.
Size waist 30 in leg 31 in
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