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In the recent public lands council meeting, Ray Petersen announced that a group called Friends of the San Rafael, has filed a lawsuit against the Bureau of Land Management concerning the closure of roads in the San Rafael. The action has been taken against the closure of roads with the BLMs 2003 route designation plan.
Petersen also announced that very soon a suit will be filed by the State of Utah, against the BLM, on behalf of Emery County over the closure of seven roads. Petersen ascertained that the seven roads that will be named in the county suit were also named in the recently filed case.
Petersen also stated that the Manti-LaSal district of the forest service has begun work on a road and trail analysis for the Ferron Canyon road system. During the previous year, the forest service undertook the same analysis on the Muddy Creek. With the completion of that analysis, the work has moved north to Ferron Canyon. The forest service is requesting input from residents who are familiar with the Ferron drainage to come into the office, look at the maps and inform them of any additions to the road list.
Concerning the wild and scenic river discussions, Petersen stated that at a recent meeting with the BLM, the announcement was made to recommend two portions of the Green River as wild and scenic. The first is Desolation Canyon and the other is Labyrinth Canyon. The decision was also made to not recommend the San Rafael River.
The Price field office has recommended the elimination of the Sid's Mountain area from the area of critical environmental concern. The ACECs surrounding Mexican Mountain and the San Rafael Canyon have also been recommended to be downsized from their present proportions. Maps with these recommendations incorporated in them are in the printing process now and should be available soon.
"The BLM has been working very hard on this project. They have been good to work with and receptive to the concerns of Emery County," said Commissioner Gary Kofford.
Gary Petty said that he has met with the SUFCO mine managers concerning the Quitchumpah Road. Following some discussion about plans to trail cattle through the area, the decision was made to allow a cattle trail along the side of the road. He also noted that the water problems with SUFCO continue in discussions. He added that SUFCO has been very accommodating and is hauling water to the troughs for the cattle.
Clyde Magnuson requested information concerning the responsible party for signage onto Horn Mountain from the Rock Canyon trail. It is his understanding that the trail was to be closed during the times of trailing cattle up and down the trail. The cattle went up last week and ATVs were also using the trail as no signs have been posted. The council informed Magnuson that the forest service is responsible for the signage.
As there is no formal public lands project this year, Petersen suggested that the council help the Emery County Preservation Committee with its project at the Swinging Bridge. At the present time, bids are out for lumber and materials, and the preservation committee is in need of volunteer labor to complete the work.
Tory Killian reported that the staging area at the Hole Trail has been completed. Following completion of the staging area, the group moved to Ferron Canyon where finishing work was done on the new bridge site. A variety of user groups participated in the volunteer project.
Sherrel Ward stated that the water situation for the area is very promising this year. "It has been an excellent water year," said Ward. "It has been more than a normal year, it is just tremendous." He said that Joe's Valley is spilling, Electric Lake is up 18 inches and is expected to fill to 70 percent of capacity, Cleveland Reservoir is at 78 percent capacity, Miller's Flat is 96 percent, and Millsite continues to spill.
Floyd Johnson stated that the Cleveland Lloyd dinosaur quarry would be closed beginning Aug. 1 for the visitor center construction. Myron Jeffs added during the BLM report that three projects are underway. At Crack Canyon, installation of a kiosk, a parking area, and dispersed camping areas has begun. A parking area, a kiosk, and dispersed camping project is also underway at Wild Horse Canyon. At Chute Canyon, the parking area, kiosks, proposed trail heads, and barriers project is moving forward.
Chris Colt of the Division of Wildlife Resources, announced that Jim Karpowitz has been named to be the new director of the DWR. He informed the council that Karpowitz plans to continue with Kevin Conway's agenda concerning habitat. Conway's motto was "Habitat is where it's at." The long-range goal is to do work on 100,000 acres per year. "There are many hurdles, but that is what we are working toward," said Colt.
Colt introduced Dave Cook to the council. Cook represents the Utah Partners for Conservation and Development. He was hired specifically to oversee this facet of the DWR. His job will be to travel around the state, meet with the public, and gather their input. "Our partners in the endeavor are the USDA, the forest service, conservation districts, extension services, RC&Ds, fish and wildlife service, SITLA, landowners, and county and local governments. We plan make decisions concerning environmental issues in each region around the state. Our next meeting will be July 14 at 6:30 p.m. at the Carbon County Fairgrounds. We welcome everyone who would like to attend," said Cook.
SITLA representative, Brian Torgerson said that the recent land sale, held on May 27, was a success. Although no land was sold in Emery County, SITLA raised $10 million. SITLA is also in negotiation with the DWR concerning a possible land swap in Range Creek. The proposal is to trade land in Gordon Creek for land in Range Creek.
A portion of SITLA fund each year comes from money raised from ATV registrations in Utah. These funds are to be used for improvements of conditions for ATVs. An easement purchase was recently completed in San Juan County, which is dedicated to ATV access.
The next public lands council meeting will be July 12 at 10 a.m.


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Registration opens December 5, 2016 by calling the Shawnee Civic Center. Class will start promptly at 9am and won't dismiss until after 5pm.
Shawnee Civic Center, 13817 Johnson Dr., Shawnee KS 913-631-5200. To meet state requirements this online class is designed to allow the qualified participant to complete the chapters and quizzes online. Visit www.ksoutdoors.com to complete the internet portion of the class. Students must print off Field Day Qualifier Exam certificate and bring it to the class. Participants must also successfully pass a quiz at the beginning of the in-classroom portion in order to continue with the instructional class where there will be a demonstration and a final written test. Enroll now, classes fill up quick! $15 fee required.

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By PATSY STODDARDEditor
Utah will experience a serious budget short fall for fiscal year 2003 which is estimated at $117 million. Governor Leavitt said, "Utah experienced extreme good fortune in the 1990s. The state doubled investment in education, cut taxes, built and upgraded highways and invested in water. Today nearly every state in the nation is experiencing a serious financial crisis. We have already trimmed the budget five times in Utah and right now state government is operating with $500 million less than originally appropriated.
"Education must be the highest funding priority of state government. Education is undersupported and Utah spends $2,500 less per pupil than the national average. An educated, skill savvy workforce is the keystone to Utah's long term prosperity. We will also experience a pending enrollment boom in the near future. We also have a discrepancy with the way water development is funded in Utah. State water development costs should be paid by nonagricultural users. Water development is oversubsidized. Subsidization sends the wrong conservation message to users. Utah has the second highest per capita consumption of culinary water and the third lowest water rates in the country.
"Water development is a statewide interest and is critical to the economy. We must encourage conservation. Our state is suffering the effects of a four year long drought. A long term ethic is needed. I support state water loan funds and would like to identify a stable, conservation based, dedicated funding mechanism for the loan funds. I want to stress that the focus is on nonagricultural water users.
"A special session of the legislature will be held on Dec. 18 to balance the budget. I do not want to balance the budget by cutting education. I want to balance the budget by discontinuing subsidizing the low water user rates. Let's not raise taxes......I do not want to raise the income taxes. I want those people who are using water for nonagricultural uses to pay for it and not the taxpayers. I would like to stress again that this focus is on the nonagricultural uses. I don't want the farmers to get the wrong idea when it comes to water for agricultural purposes," said Governor Leavitt.


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Happy Friday! This week I've got babies on the brain, thanks to my little niece who's scheduled to arrive next month. I can't wait to meet her, and of course, sew for her! My sister Wendy's baby shower was last weekend, so here we are with the baby quilt I gave her:
One resource that will come in very handy when I'm sewing for my new niece is Babyville Boutique, which is featured in "Cool Tools" in the current Sew News. Babyville Boutique started as a source for supplies for sewing cloth diapers as an eco-friendly alternative to expensive disposables. In addition to a variety of adorable PUL fabrics and other products, Babyville Boutique is also a great place to find sewing ideas, inspiration and information. Plus, PUL fabric has so many fun uses beyond diapers, including aprons, book covers, appliques and more.
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Welcome to your morning dose of denim news, links, sales, and inside info! Catch up on what's happening and browse our personal picks for the most interesting what-not that turns up during our morning web crawl. Got a tip you think we should include, a sale you want to share, or a style you just saw and can't live without? Email us!
1. Today is the last day to order Love Fades, Vol 1, the hardback version of Imogene + Willie's collaborative photo book with Joshua Black Wilkins. It's limited to 250 signed and numbered copies, only available via pre-order. It costs $150.
2. Looking for a quirky bag for spring? The new DIMITRIS ZOZ studded denim shoulder bag is the perfect size for hauling your makeup and phone (and sunscreen!) around to festivals this spring/summer. It comes in four hues, including pink and blue.
3. Going out? J Brand's latest zipper-detail styles are the perfect denim edition to your nightlife wardrobe. We'll show you how to style the Zoey in Black, so stay tuned.
4. Take a stroll through Ragtop Vintage in London (and scope out some of their great men's denim offerings).
5. Another brand jumps on the pastel denim wagon! DL1961 features pastels, neons, and a range of hues in their spring 2012 lookbook.
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text: I'm having a little trouble with a set of lights that I customized the length of. Hoping someone can help me out. They are LED C-9 lights. There are two wires coming from each plug, but there are three wires running between the first and last light in the string. I cut the three wires between two lights and now want to add a plug back onto the string where I cut it, going from 3 wires to 2. I have tried connecting the wires in all different ways and have found one way that definitely does not work, it blows the fuses. I can even get all the other sets connected to this set to work, even while this one will not. Any thoughts?


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The Sak Kenya Round Tote
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Feminine and classic! The Kenya Round Tote by The Sak is a great all-season handbag. This tote is a great silhouette and super functional.
- Crocheted tote
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- Dimensions 16 " x 6 " x 10½ "
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October 04, 2013
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Nine West RiskyBiz Platform Sandal
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Go for the bold look in this Nine West sandal. The contrasting colors and heel height of the RiskyBiz make is fashionable fierce.
- Faux leather upper with contrasting trim
- Double ankle straps with adjustable buckles
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- 1½" double platform, 5¼" heel
- Synthetic sole
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A simple sandal that will get you through the season in style is the Michael Antonio Delton. This flat sandal will pair with all of your casual wear, spring or summer!
- Faux leather upper
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Michael Antonio Delton Flat Sandal
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Available in Sizes 4-11. Lengths 16",26",32",40"Both of the wood types (Rosewood & Ebony) are beautiful - you really can't go wrong with any of them; the choice simply comes down to personal preference.The most popular length is 26."
Knitter's Pride Basix Fixed Circular Needles and Knitter's Pride Naturalz Fixed Circular Needles are both similar needles: 16" (40cm), circular, and US 8 (5.0mm) US size.
You may enjoy taking a look at the Charmed Knits House Scarves, Blue Sky Fibers Crochet Trim Hoodie, Rowan Fine Lace Song Tunic, and Rowan Magazine 39 Minnie kits all using Lantern Moon Ebony Circulars Needles.


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ELIOT NOYES: Lecture and Book Signing in NYC, March 15, 2007
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Eliot Noyes
Pioneer of design and architecture in the age of American modernism Eliot Noyes (1910–1977) is one of the under-recognized architects of the Modern movement—one of New Canaan's Harvard Five whose concurrent career as a revolutionizing industrial designer forever changed the role of design and architecture in corporate America. Noyes worked for Gropius and Breuer, served as MoMA's first director of industrial design, led Eliot Noyes and Associates, and lived his prescription that "Design is a means by which you see yourself and a means by which you express yourself to others."
DOCOMOMO US New York/Tri-State invites you to join Gordon Bruce, award-winning industrial designer and author of Eliot Noyes, A pioneer of design and architecture in the age of American Modernism, with guest Fred Noyes, architect and son of Eliot Noyes, as they present a fascinating profile of this remarkably visionary force in 20th-century design. A book signing will follow the presentation.
Thursday March 15, 6:30pm
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Just released: Eliot Noyes, A pioneer of design and architecture in the age of American Modernism 240 pages; 350 illustrations, Phaidon, February 2007


text: OverviewBack to top Earnest Eats - Baked Whole Food Bar Almond Trail Mix - 1.9 oz. Item# :62998UPC# :891048001001 Brand:Earnest Eats Size/Form:1.90 oz. Ship Weight:0.04 Servings:1 Dosage:1 Bar(s) Flavor:Almond Trail Mix Click here to read a PDF brochure on this product Earnest Eats - Baked Whole Food Bar Almond Trail Mix - 1.9 oz. (54g) Formerly Honest Foods Jump start your journey with this sublime mix of almonds, organic oats, dried cranberries, and pumpkin seeds baked with luscious almond butter. your body may need to rough it on the trail, but your food doesn't have to. Baked whole food bar: Crafted to supply the type of energy you need, these baked whole food bars have organic oats, almond butter, nuts, seeds, and fruits, all working together to satisfy your taste buds and supply the fine, protein, and omega 3s the body uses to power itself efficiently. Along with some oats, sunflower seeds, and walnut halves. Oh, and let's not forget the almond butter. 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PDP: say it ain't so
Jason Gregor
October 18 2009 10:33AM
How many of you here in the Nation woke up today, looked at the point leaders in the league and did a double take? Dustin Penner on the first page... WTF?
No one and I mean no one; thought Dustin Penner would be the Oilers best, and most productive player seven games into the season. If you are still struggling getting a grasp on the NEW Penner, don't fret you aren't alone.
Penner's nine points has him tied for 13th, and his five goals are top ten in the league. Not only is Penner scoring, he is killing penalties and is consistently moving his feet. Penner looks quicker, and while he is loathe to admit it, he's in better shape.
It doesn't hurt that Pat Quinn is his coach, and not Craig MacTavish, but I won't lay all the blame on MacTavish for Penner's underachieving last two seasons. Penner hasn't been dedicated enough since signing his twenty-one million dollar deal, until this past summer.
Penner's off-season conditioning program is paying off, but there's more than just hard work happening here.
Penner was humiliated and embarrassed last season. Being the coach's public whipping boy stung him, and I'm sure the Fat Penner references got to him. Penner is quick-witted, with a dry sense of humour, and likes to keep thing light-hearted, but it looks like he took all the pot shots to heart, and set out to prove people wrong.
Penner spent over a month of his summer working out and wondering if he'd be an Oiler or a Senator come September. Do you think that might have motivated him?
Regardless of what motivated him, Penner is living up to his contract so far this year.
First Mike Comrie comes back to Edmonton, and rather than hearing boos, he has his name chanted from the Rexall rowdies, and now Penner is winning over Oiler fans, who for the past two years would have traded him for a bag of pucks and 50 donairs.
Do you think it is possible that we hear chants of "Penn-er, Penn-er!" before the season is over?
If Comrie can win over the fans, why can't Penner? Seven games won't erase the memory of the past two seasons, but in sports "what have you done for me lately" reigns supreme, and it seems that many Oiler fans are teetering on the brink of becoming "Dusciples" of the "Pennecostal" church.
While Penner continues to be the story in Oilerville, very quietly Gilbert Brule has gotten off to a great start. Four goals and seven points has the 6th overall pick in 2005 playing like a top ten pick.
Brule seems to have found the game that the Blue Jackets liked when they called his name four summers ago. He is hitting, using his speed to generate chances and most importantly he has re-discovered his offensive flair.
I said it all summer that Brule was better option than Marc Pouliot as the 4th line center, because Brule plays with the edge necessary to be part of an energy unit. I didn't think he'd find is offensive game so quickly, in fact, I wasn't sure if he'd ever find it again.
It is very early to suggest that Brule will come close to producing like this all season, but Quinn loves how he plays, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him finding ways to use Brule even more.
Considering that Brule, Andrew Cogliano and Sam Gagner all need new contracts at the end of the season, I can't see how all three of them stay in Edmonton. One of them will be moved. Who would you move? From where I sit it seems likely that one of them will be moved, but I wonder if the organization would allow Steve Tambellini to trade Sam Gagner?
Currently on Just A Game we are running a contest where the winner wins a pair of Oiler tickets to see the Red Wings Oct 29th, the Sharks Nov 27th and the Predators on Dec 17th. One winner, three Oiler games.
A few weeks ago I came across this article on Spike.com showcasing the ten most annoying sports fans.
What we are looking for is the three most annoying hockey fans. In a short paragraph for each team, submit why they annoy you. Be witty, cut deeply, display your annoyance with words, but it has to be readable on air. Sir Brownlee, I and Dan Barnes are the final judges. Deadline is Wednesday at 6 p.m. Submit your entry to firstname.lastname@example.com. Good luck. Winner will be announced on air on Thursday.
@Jason Gregor
Hi I've been reading the articles and posts on this site now for over a year and have been meaning to get involved for some time now...finally this has broken my silence. I've been a fan of Gregor on 1260 and really enjoy the inside stuff. I've been another quiet Penner supporter since day one. It's well documented that Gregor is less than enthused with Penner both on his radio program and here in the nation almost to the point where I'd swear he is related to MacT. I think what MacT hated most about Penner was that he is such a laid back guy...doesn't seem to take things too seriously. While I agree that Penner may not have been in tip top shape when he arrived here the numbers speak for themselves.
Cmon Gregor, there was a lengthy article which was posted on some of these sites spelling it out quite well the virtues and successes that this team has had when Penner is on the ice. I can't remember who wrote the article but it spelled out quite clearly the Oilers success with him on the ice in 5 on 5 situations and on the ice when they are on the PP. So maybe Penner could have been doing better over the past couple of years but let me ask all you Penner haters...how much would you say a player is worth that is going to lead your team in scoring goals?...which is what Penner did in year one...then last year for some reason after all that success MacT in his infinite know all wisdom takes him off the PP, places him on the checking line on his off wing and can't understand why he isn't having success...yet he still scores 17 goals and is the top +/- forward on the team. Yet he continues to get crapped on by the know all MacT...and of course a bunch of you jump on the MacT bandwagon and crap all over Penner continuously...like I said maybe there is more for him to give but given the anchor he was saddled with in MacT and the treatment from the fans here even with the numbers showing the success with him on the ice I'd say he's handled things quite well...
I only hope Penner himself knows there are some of us fans out there that are on his side...chock me up as one of those.
There is always the behind-the-scenes discussions and some think Gagner is the future face of the franchise. He has always be trumped as that, but what if Cogliano is valued higher as this season progresses.
I haven't spoken with anyone in the organization that would lead me to believe that Tambellini wants to trade Gagner. Just to clarify.
It is hard to predict who will be a better player in the future, but I think it would be a great debate as to which player will be better; Cogliano or Gagner?
Gagner, Cogliano or Brule? I thought we're trading Hemsky at the end of the season. ;-) That should provide sufficient cap room to sign all three youngsters.
I totally forgot how small Oiler Fans memories really are.
My bad!
October 18 2009, 04:48PM
"... and it seems that many Oiler fans are teetering on the brink of becoming "Dusciples" of the "Pennecostal" church.
Gregor, have you been hanging out with Gene Principe? haha
Glad to see you get involved. I respect that you are a fan of Penner, but can you honestly say his effort was where it should have been the previous years.
Yes, MacTavish's public spat was over the line, but they also had multiple behind-closed-door meetings. Mactavish's display was one of a desperate coach.
If he hadn't mentioned the contract I wouldn't have had any issue with what he did. He said Penner needed to work harder, because as he has shown so far this year, when he puts for the proper effort he can be a force.
I rip a player when I don't feel his play is up to par, and when he is playing well I will give him credit. I ripped Penner because of his lack of effort. Clearly he has skill, I've never doubted that, but his effort last year was not close to where it should have been.
And do you think that 47 points is worthy of $4.25 million? Sure he led a horrible team in goal scoring two years ago, I'm not sure that is what he should be hanging his hat on.
Glad to see you get involved.
I haven't really done the research to find out what 4 million dollar players do as far as overall stats go...I suspect quite often a persons stats go hand in hand with how well the team plays as a whole...if the team is a good team and is coached well then I suspect the numbers would be better than if the team is a good team and is not coached well (ala a MacT coached team)....you said it yourself, he lead a horrible team in goal scoring. So if they were a horrible team how can you really expect anyone to have top notch numbers. Of course I am of the opinion that the coach himself has been responsible for many years of this team being a horrible team...even the Stanley cup run year was almost a non playoff season...I've sat in the stands and questioned MacT mulitple times since I became a season ticket holder in 2005. He boggled my mind on numberous occasions...maybe we could discuss it over a pop someday, lol.
In addressing Penner's effort last year. I believe that when you're in a work environment whereby you don't feel you're being treated as an equal to everyone else on the payroll that it would be difficult to maintain focus and desire. Yes the players make lots of money but they're still just people. I've seen many of MacT's favs get free passes for multiple errors and bone headed penalties only to continue to be rewarded. I know it would drag me down yet still Penner was tops in +/- on the team and still managed 17 goals even though he was 7th amongst forwards in PP ice time last year and I believe he was also 7th amongst forwards in 5 on 5 time...as I mentioned before I think given the anchor Penner had as a head coach and the treatment he's received from so many fans in Oil country that he held it together quite well...you can see how much fun he is having this year without MacT around and when you feel like an equal to everyone else I can see how that would motivate you to give more...it's human nature.
Thanks for the welcome...Crash in Red Deer
October 18 2009, 05:36PM
I totally forgot how small Oiler Fans memories really are.
My bad!
Says the guy who thinks MacT was ripping on Penner since the early 90's, and apparently hasn't watched a single game since this season, and completely missed those 2 years where Penner skated around lackadaisically on his best day.
Like I said, I've been a fan of Penner since day one, and have been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there is absolutely no way you can blame the entire thing on MacT. Penner is the one on the ice. Penner is the one who gets paid to use his size and skill to help lead the way offensivly. And Penner is the one that "magically" lost 15-20 pounds in the off season and now skates his ass off every shift.
I hate to say it because I think MacT was out of line in the way he handled the whole thing, but it looks like all that crapping on Penner lit a fire under him. Now's he out there to prove everyone wrong and I'm as excited as anyone to see it.
@Jason Gregor
Well seeing as how I'm on a role now, lol...the talk of trading Ales Hemsky is another one of those things that boggles my mind...why are we even talking about this? Why are so many always so quick to want to move our best skill guys just coming into their primes? Why is everyone so short sighted and wanting to do things like this based on the way it is at the moment instead of looking long term. How would everyone feel if we somehow landed Ilya Kovalchuk in a Hemsky lead package only to have Kovalchuk bolt for Russia after this season?
Hemsky is clearly the most skilled guy we have and I guess you could say maybe he's off to a tad slow start...and that's a big maybe...everyone keeps saying he needs a LW who can score but I think that what he needs is a more offensively skilled C in order to improve his overall numbers....I'd like to see Comrie center that line or Gagner or Cogliano or O'Sullivan although I do like the Gagner/O'Sullivan/Penner line and wouldn't change it.
As far as trading one of Gagner/Brule/Cogliano...well I don't see why we would trade any of them but if we have to I'd keep Gagner (his skill level is not and won't be matched by the other two in the long run). I like Brule's combination of hockey sense and grit so I'd keep him so by process of elimination I trade Cogs only if I have to.
Lastly so Hemsky has only 5 pts in 6 games so the call comes to trade him...so maybe these teams should consider trading these players given this thought process:
Ryan Gelzlaf 3 pts in 7 games Tomas Vanek 3 in 4 games Jarome Iginla 4 in 8 games Eric Staal 2 in 7 games Jonathan Toews 5 in 8 games Pavel Datsyuk 2 in 5 games Jason Spezza 4 in 7 games Simon Gagne 4 in 6 games Sidney Crosby 7 in 8 games Patrick Marleau 7 in 8 games Vincent Lecavalier 6 in 7 games
Strangely enough they are all under a point per game...same as Hemsky
Ooops just learning how to use this site...the last one wasn't supposed to be directed at Jason...sorry about that
I'm obviously sitting at my computer today with nothing to do...
I think what it comes down to is Gagner's skill level and hockey sense as to why....
And once again...Penner's effort couldn't have been that bad given the results. 17 goals and the top +/- forward on the team with limited ice time....
He may at times look that way due to his size...he isn't going to fly around like Cogliano. Skill players need ice time.
Just my opinion
October 18 2009, 06:17PM
Gregor, how 'bout them J-E-T-S Jets, losing? haha. Good.
October 18 2009, 06:45PM
I totally forgot how small Oiler Fans memories really are.
My bad!
What? you're the one that thought MacT ripped him before he didn't play a game....
October 18 2009, 06:48PM
What? you're the one that thought MacT ripped him before he didn't play a game....
*before he had played a game*
Gagner v. Gogliano
I've flipped back and forth on this one here. In year 1, I would've said Gagner, Gagner, Gagner! It wasn't until the 2nd half of last season that I began wondering if that was a mistake. It looked to me Gagner was getting a free-pass by MacT, but not long after, Gagner once again started putting up some points. Then the Heatley trade eRRRR non-trade, and I wondered if they were making the right decision. Ultimately, I thought I'd probably keep Gagner. Throughout training camp & pre-season, I started thinking that not only might Cogliano be better, but Gagner could probably fetch more on the trade market. So is the gap between the 2 players greater than the gap between the returns via trade either would bring?
The thing is, IMO its not if one of them gets traded, its when - and that, quite obviously, is the key. Bottom line - I'm not so sure this one is easy to predict. I think the question could be asked every 2 weeks with different results each time.
Of the possible centers on this team, would the closest thing to Horcoff be O'Sullivan? Defensively reliable, good pk guy, kind of a hard-luck shooter.
So... is he defensively responsible enough, yet offensively creative enough to play with Hemsky? Could that free Horcoff up to play a key 2nd line scoring/shut-down role?
October 19 2009, 08:16AM
Not going to lie I thought Penner would do alot better under Quinn. I expected 25-25, but now it is clear he could go 30+. It's not only his point production that is impressive it's his all around game. He is now a penalty killer and is getting alot of PP time. Oddly enough he only has 6 hits this year.
October 19 2009, 08:39AM
Not going to lie I thought Penner would do alot better under Quinn. I expected 25-25, but now it is clear he could go 30+. It's not only his point production that is impressive it's his all around game. He is now a penalty killer and is getting alot of PP time. Oddly enough he only has 6 hits this year.
What a signing by Lowe!
October 19 2009, 08:47AM
What a signing by Lowe!
I wouldn't go that far yet.
October 19 2009, 08:53AM
As for having to trade one of Brule, Cogliano or Gagner I don't think it is neccasary yet. I'd wait and see how things go, if none of those guys breaks 50 points how much are they going to get? At the same time if we do trade one of them what do you target in a trade?
October 19 2009, 09:07AM
As for having to trade one of Brule, Cogliano or Gagner I don't think it is neccasary yet. I'd wait and see how things go, if none of those guys breaks 50 points how much are they going to get? At the same time if we do trade one of them what do you target in a trade?
Agreed, especially for Brule. He's had a nice start to the season, but it's way to early to think he's going to need a big contract. As it sits right now I can't see Gagner/Cogs at more then 3/per or Brule at more then 1.75/per.
October 19 2009, 09:21AM
Agreed, especially for Brule. He's had a nice start to the season, but it's way to early to think he's going to need a big contract. As it sits right now I can't see Gagner/Cogs at more then 3/per or Brule at more then 1.75/per.
I guess too Jdd, Stone and Jacques become wild cards next year when they have to be re-signed. At the sametime Nilsson's 2mil could be gone next year too.
October 19 2009, 10:33AM
Personally I really enjoy sticking it to people that have doubted me or have criticized me, it really gives me a great deal of pleasure. I don't know Dustin Penner personally but I can't help but think that every time he scores he's saying a big FU to MacT in his head.
Personally I really enjoy sticking it to people that have doubted me or have criticized me, it really gives me a great deal of pleasure. I don't know Dustin Penner personally but I can't help but think that every time he scores he's saying a big FU to MacT in his head.
More like, "I'm running out of excuses, and this contract won't last forever." Poor Dustin Penner.
October 19 2009, 11:51AM
What is the over/under on how many goals Luongo allows tonight?
October 19 2009, 01:06PM
Word on the street is that Horcoff is out tonight. That is really going to hurt our faceoff numbers...


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Postgame: Better, But Another Loss
Pat Steinberg
November 13 2010 11:32PM
There was plenty to like about Calgary's game on Saturday night in San Jose, but it goes down as another loss, this time 4-3 at the hands of the Sharks. Lots of good things happened...Jarome Iginla scored a timely goal and Jay Bouwmeester showed some offensive flair...but in the end, Joe Pavelski's line was the difference, and they drop the Flames two games below. 500.
What Happened
This game had the look of an ugly one for the visitors, as they found themselves shorthanded just 58 seconds into the game...and just 66 seconds in, they found themselves down 1-0, as Joe Thornton snapped his sixth of the season past Miikka Kiprusoff. The Sharks would stake themselves to a 2-0 lead at 10:24 when Pavelski threaded a gorgeous pass to Ryane Clowe who zipped it through, and it was 2-0 after one. San Jose severely outchanced Calgary in that first period, 15-4 in fact, and Kiprusoff needed to come up with some large, timely saves to keep this game within striking distance.
And Calgary was able to close the gap early in the second period, thanks to a 5-on-3 powerplay, as Mark Giordano snapped his second of the season just 51 seconds in, but the Sharks would answer right back thanks to the Pavelski line again...Joe potted his fourth at 16:22 to stake San Jose to a 3-1 lead after 40. Give the Flames credit, they generated some chances in the middle frame, thanks to some powerplay time, but it gave them some optimism heading into the third.
Once again, Calgary reeled the Sharks back in, this time at 9:14 of the final frame...a real good shift lead by Jarome Iginla yielded a great cycle, and Jay Bouwmeester popped into the play at the right time to pot his second. But once again, Calgary couldn't keep the Sharks from coming back...a bad step up from Brendan Mikkelson set up an odd man rush the other way, and this time Logan Couture made the Flames pay, with his sixth at 14:10. And yet, Calgary battled back once more, and it was the captain who got them back within one...Jarome Iginla fired his third of the season at 19:23 from the left circle off a nice feed from Alex Tanguay, and it set things up for a frantic finish. Calgary got their offensive zone faceoff, but in the end, once again...it was too little, too late, and Calgary drops to 6-8 on the season.
One Good Reason...
...why the Flames lost? It came down to two things ultimately for me, but more than anything, they could not contain Joe Pavelski, Logan Couture and Ryane Clowe, who were absolutely dominant on this night. They were matched up primarily against Curtis Glencross, Olli Jokinen and Rene Bourque and outplayed them fairly consistently...both Glencross and Bourque were outchanced 9-0 at ES, while Jokinen was behind 8-1.
Calgary's powerplay also let them down, going 1/7 with some opportunities to tie the game. I know they scored on the 5-on-3, but when you're in a game like this, it's gotta be a little more timely.
Red Warrior
I'll go with the captain...Jarome Iginla responded on this night for the Flames. He had the late goal, played 20:33, and his strong shift lead to Bouwmeester's goal in the third period. I liked a lot of what we saw from him, and it came against pretty strong opposition, playing against San Jose's top line for good chunks of this game. Lets hope it's the start of a trend for him.
Sum It Up
Once again, it was a better effort for the Flames, but I know a lot of people are getting tired of hearing "good things, but not good enough." I for one don't buy the argument that they're not good enough to win games...I certainly don't think they're a top team, but I also think they're better than 6-8. However, eventually you have to start winning games when you play fairly well in them, and if the hole ends up being too deep, at some point it's going to be too hard to dig yourself out. The Flames take on Phoenix on Wednesday.
ya lets pull a chicago and get 500 people to the games for 5 years before they get 5 super high draft picks that happen to work.
Yes the team isnt where we want. No sometimes we as fans are not going to like the product on the ice.
knowing and thinking of what we can do to improve and get that dam cup!! what new player will come in and change the franchise!!
darkest before the dawn my friend. this is the good stuff for true fans
November 14 2010, 01:14AM
Again saying they're playing better, etc is just like the Simpsons episode where the people of Springfield rebuild the Flanders' house with "Good intentions". Ned finally realizing their "good intentions" werent good enough said, "Well my family and I can't live in good intentions".
November 14 2010, 02:11AM
I didn't even watch the game, but I had a feeling it was going to be like the Phoenix game, frustrating. Second month into the season and the team isn't exactly inspiring a lot of hope. I can't remember who said it last season, but all the credit they earned with the '04 Cup Run has been used up and it's becoming increasingly hard to cheer for a team that continues to underachieve. What will it take to get right the ship and get the team back on to their winning ways?
November 14 2010, 03:08AM
There can be no positives to take from the Flames. Game to game it's always the same. We did somethings right and some very wrong. At the end of the game, Flames lose. The game of hockey isn't hard to figure out. You put the puck into the net more than the other team. Please vote for Rick Nash
November 14 2010, 03:26AM
What do I get for nailing the Iginla sweepstakes?
November 14 2010, 09:29AM
What do I get for nailing the Iginla sweepstakes?
A hearty congratulations!
November 14 2010, 09:38AM
Mr. SmellOfVictory, I would give you my allegiance. Vote Rick Nash.
The 8th place team in the West last year had 95 points at seasons end. The Flames currently have 14 points. If we assume that post-season play this year will require about the same number of regular season points as last year that means we need about 81 more points... that means the Flames likely need to go 38-19-5 for the rest of the season. Uhg.
Man I don't know if Jarome deserves Red Warrior for playing a couple shifts in the 3rd.
You could argue he was one of the only guys to stay even in terms of chances, but I think Stajan had a more complete game and finished with a better corsi.
I would put Hagman & Glencross above Iggy too, they created some odd man chances and showed a ton of hustle throughout the game.
I think it comes down to not capitalizing on opportunities though, 3 missed 2 on 1s, if we would have buried one of those it could have been a different game.
November 14 2010, 10:02AM
"Playoffs, No playoffs". famous quote (Jim Mora SR.). I guess no playoffs for Calgary 2011. Vote Rick Nash!
November 14 2010, 10:30AM
The 8th place team in the West last year had 95 points at seasons end. The Flames currently have 14 points. If we assume that post-season play this year will require about the same number of regular season points as last year that means we need about 81 more points... that means the Flames likely need to go 38-19-5 for the rest of the season. Uhg.
Yeesh. That's a sobering stat.
November 14 2010, 10:40AM
After reading the National Post article that Jason Van Rassel & Stephane Massinon wrote November 13, 2010, on Brett Sutter "OBVIOSLY INTOXICATED". I think someone in the, Flames organization should look into a Toxicology Report as I believe this poor kid was a victim of being drugged by GHB. He has all the symptoms. Vote Rick Nash
I didn't even watch the game, but I had a feeling it was going to be like the Phoenix game, frustrating. Second month into the season and the team isn't exactly inspiring a lot of hope. I can't remember who said it last season, but all the credit they earned with the '04 Cup Run has been used up and it's becoming increasingly hard to cheer for a team that continues to underachieve. What will it take to get right the ship and get the team back on to their winning ways?
really fella.... dont be a fan then, jump off the bandwagon
I hate the band wagon jumper saying/ argument. It doesn't sit well. What are we supposed o follow a team blindly no matter what they do. When they do things that frustrate us it is our right when we pay the ticket price to have our say. Does it make you are any more of a fan cause you will follow like a sheep no matter what? I don't think so, anyone that reads these messages waits to call into the shows and follows this team is a true fan. The band wagon argument doesn't work. Anybody who buys merchandise pays the ticket prices and truly gets upset and disappointed with a team is a fan. Maybe the flames need people to stop going to games and paying there ways. Maybe then something will change, as Ken king said if all the season ticket holders renew obviously there isn't a problem.... If thats the mentality all of our players will retire here and we will be occupying some lonesome spots in the bottom of the western conference
November 14 2010, 11:59AM
Luc, I like your tone. You speak from the heart.
November 14 2010, 12:27PM
I don't think any one player can fix the team. It's team sport that requires all the players to pitch in the effort to win the game. There is enough experience on the team to be able to get the job done.
But, are they mentally in the game? How many games were there where someone missed an assignment? How many games were there where they had intensity in the first 20, or first 40 minutes, only to taper off in the third and fall behind? While I acknowledge that they've been able to pull it together in the final 10 of the third period, where was that effort when the team is down in the second period? The move of one player, or the acquisition of another player won't help if the underlying problem still exists. Will following the strategies of Washington, Pittsburgh, and Chicago work for Calgary? Who's to say. It's not working out too well in Edmonton right now, but they're in the first season of their rebuild plan.
Whether I am considered dedicated fan, a true fan, or a bandwagon jumper, I am still a fan of this franchise and I am a fan of this sport (granted I may not have the same fanaticism as a Maple Leaf fan). I am not as quick as some of the hockey analysts are in throwing Calgary under the bus and saying their season is already over. I admit my faith in the team has wavered during this road-trip, but I still believe they can turn things around. They just need to get their act together. Having a championship team, or a contending team is a point of civic pride; the fans have as much emotional investment in this team as the players themselves have, as evident by the posters of FlamesNation and the call-in shows.
November 14 2010, 12:41PM
Read the signs.....they all point to missing the 2011 playoffs. They have lost six of seven, a 4 game losing streak followed by a win followed by their 2 game current losing streak, now! Last year they lost 9 straight and look what happened. Missed the 2010 playoffs. Darryl Sutter, himself said that's what cost them their season.
You are absolutely right. It is hard to support this team when the same problem occurs over and over and you hear comments from the president telling you nothing is wrong with the product when the fans keep filling the seats.Why are some teams great year after. MANAGEMENT. When they are not then teams rebuild. This team needs to rebuild and I don't think the current management is capable of doing the job.
November 14 2010, 01:14PM
The 8th place team in the West last year had 95 points at seasons end. The Flames currently have 14 points. If we assume that post-season play this year will require about the same number of regular season points as last year that means we need about 81 more points... that means the Flames likely need to go 38-19-5 for the rest of the season. Uhg.
Moral of the story, fore Dutter now! If Iggy is gonna be traded don't let Dutter do it, let the next GM do it! Please!
I don't think we need to "rebuild".
We have some great prospects, and some young players who are already stepping it up.
Darryl has dug himself into a bit of a hole with all of the multi-year deals linked with NTC's.
Hagman is tradeable. At this point I don't think Tanguay is a guy we should resign unless it's for less money, Staios & White are outta here.
Does Langkow's money come off the books if he retires?
Regardless we are going to have a bit of cash to play with, some notable UFA's are Semin, Leino, Laich, Richards, Hejduk.
Next year a couple of our prospects should be at a place where they can compete for a spot on the roster - Nemisz, Wahl, Cameron, Brodie, Bouma, I think the biggest thing for next year is that we don't sign any stupid contracts & try to develop the prospects, even if it means icing a somewhat inexperienced roster ex. Colorado last year.
It wouldn't be a rebuild because we aren't blowing up the roster (I don't think it's even possible with all of the NTC's) but a shift in the mindset of "being one or two tweaks away", that has been our biggest downfall in the last few years, Darryl was always making tweaks & throwing old guys in there instead of developing young talent.
November 14 2010, 01:21PM
For everyone who says they need to blow it up and start all over. (5 years of bad play and great drafts) Um, correct me if I'm wrong but didnt the Flames go TEN years (give or take) out of the playoffs and mediocre teams, some good drafts and whaddya see now? What about the Leafs. THey were horrific in the 80's got top 5 draft choices all the time and look what happened. No top drafts dont mean you'll be good in the future but it helps AND you have to have a scouting staff that knows what theyre doing. I have no faith in this scouting staff, Pro or Amateur.
November 14 2010, 01:30PM
@Sean Elekes
Extended losing streaks costing them a shot at the 2010 Playoffs goes without saying. January 2010 was the most disturbing month of that season. The current trend they're on also indicates they're going to miss the 2011 Playoffs, especially if the fall short of JF's projected numbers. We're also in the second month of the season and as disturbing (and frustrating) as things are, we should not be so quick to write them off. Without a doubt they've got one hell of a climb, if they want to make themselves contenders. Stranger things have happened in the NHL...Boston shatting the bed against Philadelphia in last year's Playoffs, Derek Boogard scoring, Kovalchuk failing in that shootout against Buffalo (Enroth's reaction was funny), or Calgary trading Aaron Johnson and a third round pick to Edmonton for Steve freakin' Staios.
November 14 2010, 01:58PM
Last year at game 69 against Detroit the Flames lost 2-1. They were dunn like dinner. I tried to tell people hey it's not over, the season isn't over, but it was in fact over. With us having the same team as last year and a Mario Lemieux #66 amount of games left to be played. How could you not write this team off?
November 14 2010, 02:29PM
A hearty congratulations!
I accept! Vote Rick Nash.
November 14 2010, 02:36PM
Disagree on Tanguay. Even with his current play/production, he's decent value. Langks' money would come off if he retired.
As far as UFAs, one or both of Semin and Laich will be resigned by the caps, and Leino will probably be resigned by Philly. Not sure on Richards, but I could see Hejduk making free agency for sure.
I don't think we'd have to wait til next Summer to have Richards if Sutter wanted him badly enough.
And Richards is basically a rich man's Langkow so I don't see too many endgames where a whatever-for-Richards trade wouldn't immediately put the Flames season back on the rails.
November 14 2010, 03:50PM
@Sean Elekes
I'm a "glass is half-full" kinda fan. Plus, I've got a bet going so I have no choice but to hope that they can pull this one outta the fire. If the Flames do indeed flub this season and don't make the Playoffs, I'll be the first to admit that you were correct. Until then, they still have a chance, as long as it they make it a fighting one.
November 14 2010, 04:16PM
I wonder if Dallas would take White (plus whatever other salary) for Richards.
I wonder if Dallas would take White (plus whatever other salary) for Richards.
would you??
lol doubtful
plus hes expensive as hell.
i wish we could snag MIKE richards.
my kinda player.
I caught both the Coyotes and Sharks games. I thought these games were somewhat close but if it was not for Kipper in both of them I do not believe the Flames would have even been in either game. I am not buying into anymore of the BS the Flames sell or that the players like to convey to the fans in their interviews. It is the same repeated verbiage over and over. Most if not all the players have some sort of value and I am sure they are pretty good guys but when it comes to bringing together an elite team or a contending team Darryl is dreaming and so is any other part of the management if they think this team will challenge for a playoff spot let alone the cup. They are going to end up playing the bag off Kipper again this year and I doubt they have a lot of confidence in HK as the backup right now. I would assume HK should get a start here in the next week or two. Problem is the Flames are now getting desperate again so they will play Kipper because he gives them the best chance of winning.
This team is has no finishers and even if they are getting 30 to 40 shots per game they just do not have the type of talent to make those types of shots count or bury them. We have had this same problem year in and year out. Cammi was such a good fit here but Darryl had to screw that deal up and even make it better by thinking Olli was our savoir at the number one centre position. Then last year out of pure desperation we needed to trade one of our studs (Dion) for four players that were suppose to spread the balance of scoring and bring more balance and depth to this team. What a JOKE this has been. Some may totally disagree with me but White, Stajan and Hagman for Aulie and Phaneuf. How did we not even get a draft pick or two for Phaneuf and Aulie.
White at 3 million, Stajan at 3.5 million, Bouwmeester at 6.7 million, Staios 2.7 million, Olli at 3 million with a no trade clause (are you kidding me).
Kipper and Iggy deserve what they are being paid. Kipper more so than any of the top players. Iggy even at 7 million is not looking all that good going back to last year for the Flames. Iggy had a decent Olympics but he struggled mightily here last year too. Iggy has two more years at 7 million with a NTC too.
I am all about supporting the team that I have followed since they arrived here in Calgary but I cannot sit around and keep endorsing dumb and senseless contracts and some trades that leave you scratching your head wondering what was that all about and then also seeing the draft picks we have given up in trades in the hopes of winning the cup.
Though Kipper's numbers are not great he is most nights again the only reason we have a chance to scrap and grind out a win. We could easily be last in the conference or be where Buffalo and New Jersey are, we are not that far off.
Can the present management team even be trusted to make smart hockey decisions and if presented make good hockey trades to help this team to rebuild the youth we so badly need for the future too. Sutter talks about bring in more youth but then we are lucky if he lets one new youngster from the farm system into the line-up.
Bob McKenzie from TSN says the Flames are the most frustrating team to follow and they are the most inconsistent team in the league to watch. Kent Wilson from the FlamesNation also commented this team will go a on streak and win 3 or 4 but then they will get back into their funk and lose 4 or 5 and they just never get ahead.
The rest of this month is going to be a challenge for the Flames as their games do not get any easier along the way.
I do hope Jay Feaster will bring some balance to the management team and challenges Darryl in a positive way to ensure quality trades are make to help this team short term but also long term. I feel Darryl has sacrificed long term for short term and where has it got the Flames in the last six years since 200?
Would love to see Richards (either one) in a Flames jersey, don't see Philly trading their captain, and at this point, with Dallas having a small bit of success, I don't see them parting with Brad unless they got a pretty sweet offer ie. Good player with a small cap hit + picks.
I hope that Darryl has enough sense to deal White while he still has some value, clearly he isn't getting resigned, we might as well get something for him.
As much as I'd hate to see it because he anchors our D, but I can see Reggie on a train out of town, he could fit in nicely in Washington.
I like what Hagman adds to our team, not so much Stajan, so far we've had the better payof in the Phaneuf trade though as Dion has done next to nothing in Toronto and missed shots don't count for anything......Aulie got called up, interested in seeing how he will fare.
November 14 2010, 05:10PM
would you??
lol doubtful
plus hes expensive as hell.
i wish we could snag MIKE richards.
my kinda player.
It would probably require more than what I said, but at the same time if Richards isn't expected to re-sign with Dallas, he shouldn't be incredibly expensive to trade for (30 yrs old, high cap hit, no years left on contract). Dallas does need dmen, though, and that's one thing that Calgary has.
Nice post, couldn't agree more.
if he actually does make it to free agency, who should we be trying to offload to free up space for him???
Staios, White, dump Jokenin or Stajan somehow. If we're keeping Reggie flip Sarich.
November 14 2010, 09:29PM
Sarich and Kotalik would be my thoughts. That'd be almost 7 million in salary gone, and with Staios' contract up this season the Flames would have about 9.5 million in cap space opening up (making no assumptions about White).
plus lanks??
November 14 2010, 11:12PM
Yeah, I think the assumption is that he'll end up retiring this season.
November 15 2010, 08:47AM
I think the fact that AFTER watching Toronto go through their nightmare with long contracts and NTC's, Darryl Sutter has gotten the Flames into the Exact Same Mess! This shows me he doesn't have a handle on the "Cap era NHL" Our up and coming prospects are probably going to be capable second or third liners, but definitely no star power there. More of the same.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but this is a middle-of-the-pack roster, and expectations otherwise are just going to set you up for an 82 game roller-coaster ride - so you know what's coming. Look for the positives, and try to enjoy it!
Anyway - I haven't done the homework, but how many of those ugly contracts come off the books after this season? Do the Flames have any wiggle room coming up?
I have always been, and will always be a hardcore Flames fan, but I must admit that management's attitude of "the stands are full so keep the status-quo" is disconcerting.
anyway - I've shelled out my $300 for the Coyotes game, so hopefully the boyz can pull out a win, and put some pucks in the net. Go Flames!
November 15 2010, 08:48AM
BTW, does my shelling out for the Coyotes game make me part of the problem? ;)
...I'm not sure what Feaster does behind the scenes, but from an outsider looking in, he seems like Darryl's Press Secretary.
...by examining play alone, trading Hagman would be a mistake. He is consistently one of the hardest workers on the ice, with the added bonus that he has a nose around the net, a good shot, and good defensive sense.
...if you want to point the finger at the players, you have to start at the top of the roster in terms of salary: Iggy, Bouwmeester, Kipper, Regher, and Sarich.
...if you want to point the finger at the hockey operations, you have to start with King, Darryl, and Button. I wasn't sold on a wholesale cleaning of house after missing the playoffs last year, but I said if the Flames miss the playoffs twice in a row I'd be more open to it, and three times I'm all over it. Count me becoming more open by the day.
I'm one of those rare 'born and raised' Calgarians, and I have been a Flames fan since they came here and will continue to support them, so no "bandwagon" comments please.
Having that out of the way, I have to agree that this is the most frustrating team to watch. I don't know if the "system" is too complicated or what, but too many times it looks like these players have no idea what to do or where to go. When they are able to move the puck through the neutral zone and across the blue line they seem to freeze up...it's either curl and dump it to the middle or the point, or dump it behind the net. When was the last time the Flames scored on a rush? The lack of offensive creativity drives me crazy.
D Sutter has basically amassed a team of pluggers, which worked back before the lock-out, but doesn't work anymore. It only gets worse as there isn't a great crop of 'up and comers' in they system either. Sure there are some good players, but nothing in the way of a 'Savior' to be sure.
There was a Brent Sutter interview on SNet last week that could have been pulled from the middle of last season...We have some things to work on, we're getting there, it's a process...holy crap, how long does it take?
As far as trades...I'm fully on board with moving someone big. I know it's hard these days, but "the core" is simply not getting it done. If they are not getting the message from the coaches, then it's time to cut ties.
I'm rambling :)
...how many coaches do the Flames need to go through before we realize it is not the coach that is the problem? Brent has been a winner at every level, including the NHL. I'm going to step out on a limb and say he is not the problem.
...if your in favor of moving someone big (like the list I made in my previous post based on highest salaries), who and for whom?
...may I make a suggestion. Iggy to the Bolts for Malone, Downie, and a high pick/prospect. I'd like to hear feedback and more possibilities, possibly an article by one of the writers that stimulates conversation.
...how many coaches do the Flames need to go through before we realize it is not the coach that is the problem? Brent has been a winner at every level, including the NHL. I'm going to step out on a limb and say he is not the problem.
Don't know if you know this but Sutter's vaunted system involves forcing the D into some crazy gap control scheme where they endlessly give up the zone. That probably worked for him in junior. Sure doesn't work at a level where players are better players than the coaches are coaches. (I.e. coaches only have negative impact at this level).
...may I make a suggestion
Prefer you didn't
November 15 2010, 10:43AM
...how many coaches do the Flames need to go through before we realize it is not the coach that is the problem? Brent has been a winner at every level, including the NHL. I'm going to step out on a limb and say he is not the problem.
Don't know if you know this but Sutter's vaunted system involves forcing the D into some crazy gap control scheme where they endlessly give up the zone. That probably worked for him in junior. Sure doesn't work at a level where players are better players than the coaches are coaches. (I.e. coaches only have negative impact at this level).
...may I make a suggestion
Prefer you didn't
call it "stifling" or "suffocating"...or insert any other descriptor here about the coaching, but it seems to me Giordano hasnt been as creative lately.
...don't know if you know this, in his previous three seasons as an NHL head coach Brent has averaged 46 wins per year. That's called success. FYI: there's nothing crazy about a gap control scheme, every team uses it to a certain extent.
...with Iggy averaging only one goal every 10 games for nearly half a season we'd be lucky to get a package of the quality I suggested.
...Prefer if I didn't? Drop the self righteous wanna be know it all critique and engage in meaningful conversation. Your not intimidating anyone from your throne behind your computer screen big guy.
November 15 2010, 12:38PM
The new CBA should go through the NTC/NMC and tweak them just like the NBA has them. Players can only get one if they meet certain criteria, such as age and tenure. The Leafs had the Muskoka 5 (Sundin, Kubina, McCabe, Tucker and Kaberle) and couldnt move any. They had to let Sundin walk, Kubina they finally got a late round draft choice after his stock fell, and then bought out the other 2 guys. The Flames have 11. When half your team you cant move you've got a problem. Its those players who should be able to be moved. I would cap the max number of players on one team to have a NTC to 2, either their star player and one other whos been there forever, or whatever. One of the reasons the Flames have played shoddy is that they can't move players in and out and this lies on the GM. He made the bed. Unfortunately dismissing a GM inthe middle of a season is extremely rare. Oh and yes Feaster is the AGM in charge of media relations, pretty much thats all. Would i hire him as GM if Sutter left, . . . no.
@Nolan Moore
...set team limits to NMC/NTC is a good idea. However, I think it would be hard to negotiate that into the next CBA. But with that being said (as we all know from the lockout), Bettman is a great union buster.


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He didn't know exactly what led to a sub-par afternoon but said it could have been related to the later lifting period for the offense. Whatever the case, it's something the coaches will address, he said.
"Defensively it was excellent. I thought their energy was great, their attention to detail and to the game plan … and they were coachable. Offensively, we had no energy, no bounce in our step like it's game week. That was a little disappointing. I'm sure they will bounce back tomorrow."
Perhaps contributing to the defensive energy was the return of two starters, cornerback Wesley Pendleton and rover Charles Sawyer. Both have been out for several weeks, Sawyer since the second day of camp.
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Steve Tambellini, The Devil You Know
Jonathan Willis
March 13 2012 12:02PM
It was suggested to me today – as it has been, off and on, for some time now – that the Oilers would be making a terrible mistake if they failed to renew Steve Tambellini. Tambellini launched this rebuild, the logic goes, and has taken a number of positive steps, and to throw him under the bus and bring in somebody new would jeopardize those accomplishments.
I've spent a significant amount of time the last while studying rebuilds, both successful and failed. It's been a difficult thing to do because few teams in recent memory have performed as poorly as the Oilers, and comparisons to a pre-salary cap NHL are flawed because teams could spend whatever it took to keep their high-end collection of talent together.
The obvious, successful comparisons that everyone remembers are to Pittsburgh and Chicago.
Pittsburgh had five years of high picks before turning into instant contenders, like someone had flipped a switch. They lucked out a little bit because there was a lockout in between, but – aside from the absence of a Crosby-like talent (and arguably, given that he scored 85 points as a rookie, a Malkin-like talent) – there's a reasonable case to be made that the Oilers are on track to imitate them.
The Chicago timeline is more difficult to match, because the Oilers are already falling away from it. Chicago had two years of being really terrible after the lockout. In their third year (where the Oilers are now) they finished with a plus-4 goal differential and picked outside the top-10. The next year, they went to the Western Conference Finals.
The other thing about these successful comparisons is that they included another ingredient. Those teams both fired their rebuild G.M. The Penguins canned Craig Patrick in the summer of 2006, replacing him with Ray Shero. The team had one last poor year and then started ripping up the standings. Chicago had more success under Tallon in a shorter timeframe than Edmonton has had under Tambellini, but there were specific concerns – his bad contracts in 2005-06 helped launch the rebuild, and specific decisions he made would eventually help to handicap the team when Toews/Kane finished their entry-level contracts, forcing the Blackhawks to dump talent after winning the Stanley Cup in 2010. The Blackhawks acted on these mistakes, demoting Tallon and handing the reins over to Stan Bowman, who won the Stanley Cup as a rookie G.M.
Other teams opted to hang on to the managers who guided their teams out of a building effort. Atlanta hired Don Waddell to guide their expansion team, and slowly the team started to improve. Sure, there were warning signs, but their early progression was highly similar to that experienced in both Pittsburgh and Edmonton. Ultimately, the team was never able to complement their high-end talent with reliable support – either through the draft or free agency. Those signs were there early on, but unstable ownership kept Waddell at the helm.
Then there were the Islanders. Unlike a lot of pre-salary cap teams, Long Island had a tight budget to work under, so it's easier to make a comparison to them. In a lot of ways, their record under Mike Milbury looks like that of the Oilers. Ultimately, when it came time to turn the harvest of young talent into a championship team, Milbury failed – because while he was fine guiding a team down into the cellar, he wasn't so good at lifting them back out. A trio of first round playoff losses eventually became all the Islanders had to show for years of ineptitude.
It's important not to make this more than it really is – four teams hardly represents definitive proof that a rebuild G.M. can't also be a championship G.M. What it does show is that the 'devil you know' approach is flawed – a shift in management doesn't necessarily mean a second wave of rebuilding.
Many recent Stanley Cup winners can attest to that fact. Much of the core of last year's Boston team (Chara, Rask, Lucic, Marchand) was drafted or acquired by Jeff Gorton, who ran the Bruins' amateur procurement department and then served as interim G.M. Peter Chiarelli, however, ultimately guided the team to victory. We've discussed the Hawks and Penguins already; the champion before them was Anaheim – a team largely built by Bryan Murray, but eventually led to the cup by Brian Burke. The Tampa Bay Lightning in 2004 owed a lot to Rick Dudley, but it was Jay Feaster who put the finishing touches on the team.
Again, I am not here making the case that Steve Tambellini needs to go for the Oilers to win it all. I don't know that. I do know that sometimes, a shift at the top part way through a rebuild leads to success that otherwise may not have come about. In short, I do know that while Tambellini may not need to go for the Oilers to hoist the Cup, by no means does he need to stay.
March 13 2012, 08:07PM
cap geek is not showing any NTC or NMC on the contract.
He has a no trade clause, that kicks in on July 1st. Tambellini said that at his press conference when they announced the signing.
The comparison to Pittsburgh is a reach. You build a team around centres, defence and a goalie; not wingers. The Pens drafted Crosby, Malkin and Staal to be their top 3 centres and Fleury as their goalie. Based on this, the true rebuild didn't really start until we drafted Nugent-Hopkins and there's still a long way to go.
March 13 2012, 09:09PM
The President of Hockey operations title is ridiculous. What a waste of money.
THe GM is the head of hockey operations. The team should have only one president.
The Oilers org is just a mess of excecutive title shuffling. Laforge is still 'team president', but is no longer CEO. Bob Black is now the senior executive who reports to Katz.
My suggestion is to promote Tambellini to President of Hockey operations. Hire a new GM. Promote Lowe to Supreme Grand Master in Principal of Hockey operations. Pay Renney a million a year to sit home in his easy chair as "Senior Hockey Advisor" and replace him at Head Coach with Messier or MacT.
The Oilers brain-trust could then follow the same logic used in Hemsky's contract and sign Dustin Penner to a 2 year/$10 million deal. We could then look forward to Edmonton bloggers telling us that according to the ShaneCorsonReal metric Penner is actually a very effective player and a bargain at $5 million per year.
Blow it up again??? WtH? That's ridiculous.
This team is two players and a little maturity away from contending.
It's hard to motivate when there is nothing to achieve. Getting hurt now is dumb, so good luck equaling the effort of teams fighting for their lives.
Personally I would rather him stay in Russia. It is obvious that all he cares about is the money he makes. He is not good representation for the sport. Its like the whole we make a lot of money but we spend a lot of money crap. I don't care how much the insurance is on your Ferrari I still think that it is embarrassing when atheletes make more money then people saving lives and working many more hours.
since when does money not turn the world. its a business contract, not a moral contract. The cost of breaking the contract (?any?) was much less than the benefit gained from breaking the contract (i.e. going to KHL$$). He made tons of money. Who wouldn't want that. Business, corporations government, people...do this all the time. get real
March 14 2012, 12:51AM
Blow it up again??? WtH? That's ridiculous.
This team is two players and a little maturity away from contending.
It's hard to motivate when there is nothing to achieve. Getting hurt now is dumb, so good luck equaling the effort of teams fighting for their lives.
Yea, 2 players away. Gretzky and Orr. Even then teams that care, teams that play for each other, teams like Pitt, Nash, NYR, StL, even the Godless Flames, they would still run us.
The oil are still so far from being competitive over a full season...
Motivation? How about pride and self respect, regardless if its game 10 or 70. Players oozing pride are in short supply here. Wouldn't Glencross help in that regard now? Real good move that, saving some money to help resign Hemsky.
I'm sure many will disagree,but it was unfortunate the oil had {have} lotto picks 3years running when the draft classes had no true franchise players.
@Reg Dunlop
Disagree. St Louis is another example. Two to three years ago, They had expectations that were greater than the level of maturity.
They didn't blow it up.
They are in first place now.
Chicago. Ditto.
Detroit has the luxury of being strong, so they don't rush and suffer with rookies. When they are on deck, they are ready.
@Jonathan Willis
I really don't understand how you make such a point of Gorton being the man responsible for the Bears turn around & eventual Championship, yet you still give Bryan Murray the credit for building the base/core of the Fowl's Cup winning team before Burke even took over the Hockey Club..?
The man who built that franchise from the ground up was/is David McNab. He is the reason there is a Stanley Cup banner hanging in the rafters at the Pond, not Bryan Murray, nor Brian Burke.
If you are going to stand on your soapbox just to make sure your point has merit to it & that you firmly stand behind your view on the issue, then how about giving credit where the credit is truly due & not just what you think makes your opinion on this matter worthy to others just to suit your needs JW..?