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SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Nicholas Cundy of Edmonton and Gavin Schmitt of Okotoks, Alta., scored 14 points apiece on Saturday to lead Canada to a 25-15, 28-26, 25-10 victory over the Dominican Republic in the fifth place match at the Pan American Cup men's volleyball tournament.
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Skip to comments.Dinosaur-Bird Flap Ruffles Feathers
Posted on 10/11/2005 4:07:11 AM PDT by mlc9852
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They are marxists.
Of course in our polite, politically correct society we no longer laugh at the insane, we call them "Doctor" and shake our heads knowingly or is it condencendlingly, when they say, with a straight face, "Billions and billions of years ago, after the acid rained on the rock and diosaurs got tired of having diaosaurs they started branching out and had birds.
They had these birds by mating with other dinosaurs, but they had gold finches isntead of T-Rex's.
Well I guess we should thank God they haven't tried to convince us that it was birds that came first.
Could be these guys are the answer to 2 Timothy 3:1-5. And Peters scoffers.
Your Nobel prize in genetics awaits you, sir.
There is a suburb of Bejing China whre you can buy reproduced, hand-crafted, authentic DinoBird fossils for $39.95 - just like the pros have.
Seriously, there are entire cities in China which survive on the cottage industry of "Fossil Reproduction" which supplies anthropologists around the world.
You know if those that believe in evolution were not so funny, they would, in all probability, be ignored. But the things they come out with are so outlandish that it is hard not to egg them on.
We went to a museum and the kids, all 5-7th grade homeschooled, had a ball with the guide, this guy did not even know he was being shown to be the fool, he just smiled and in his highhanded manners said things like. "Well, little lady, we arent sure exactly when the dinosaurs died, but from the fossil record, we know it had to be between 16.7 million and 100 million years ago." She said "How do you know that?" and he said "Why from the location of the fossil remains of these giant extinct animals of course."
Later he got talking about the age of the earth, so. our cute little sixth grader said: "Sir, how do you know how old that area is?" and he said "Why little lady we know it from the fossil remains we find, we know that the animals remains we find at that level all died off in 12-60 million BCE." Note the new politically correct BCE instead of BC.
The kids caught on right away that dating bones by layers and layers by bones is a bit stupid, but being the polite kids that they are, they just shook their heads up and down as you would to an imbecile.
I love those who believe in evolution, it is so much fun to watch them go in circles and defend their empty theory by attacking the Word of God and Creationist rather than taking a hard look at their theory and it's foolish assertions.
It's been proven over and over again!
Everybody in "Science" knows that the little dinosaurs became birds so they could get away from the big mean T-Rex's!
Why don't you believe the scientists? They're always right!
At least they arent still having Australian Aborigines murdered for their skulls. For too long, back 80 years or so ago, museums in the civilized west paid serious money for Australian Aborigines skulls, claiming them to be the missing link racist bastards.
Dinosaurs didn't even exist "billions" of years ago. So who's the crazy one?
They had these birds by mating with other dinosaurs, but they had gold finches isntead of T-Rex's.
As is usually the case on these threads, what you don't understand about biology would fill volumes. And yet, also as usual, that doesn't stop you from unjustly ridiculing the people who *do* know the field or work in it, and have good reasons (and evidence) for their positions.
Why do you continually feel compelled to display your ignorance, and to belligerently attack those who aren't?
I know, they like olympia snowe, teddy kennedy, susie collins and johnnie kerry are all true leginds in their won minds, why they maybe even be the missing link.
You know, For too long, back 80 years or so ago, museums in the civilized west paid serious money for Australian Aborigines skulls, claiming them to be the missing link racist bastards.
Maybe if we could convince these museums that kenndy, kerry, snowe, collins, biden and others of their ilk are really missing links, they, the museums would solve our social and political problems. Could be some of those hunters are still around.
Why did the Archaeopteryx get the worm?
Well, that museum guide was using circular reasoning and should probably polish his presentation to avoid that. However, I think it's great that your cute little sixth grader has studied stratigraphy to the point where he is able to publish monographs critiquing the current state of the field. Look forward to reading the abstracts.
Are you sure? Where you there? How do you know?
Glad to see you read so carefully what I had to say, oops, guess you didn't, "little lady" sure isn't a "he".
But, I agree the museum guide needs to polish up and update his feeble knowledge of evolution, but then again who can keep up with the every changing facts of evolution, one day millions, the next day billions, the day after birds from dinosaurs, then it dinosaurs from birds.
Thank God the Word of God hasn't changed, we Christians are way to dumb to keep up with the changes the religion of evolution demands of it's servants.
People always laugh at stuff they don't understand. You're a prime example.
We went to a museum and the kids, all 5-7th grade homeschooled, had a ball with the guide, this guy did not even know he was being shown to be the fool, he just smiled and in his highhanded manners said things like. "Well, little lady, we arent sure exactly when the dinosaurs died, but from the fossil record, we know it had to be between 16.7 million and 100 million years ago."
Is there any particular reason you're blatantly lying? You're obviously making things up that never happened. No museum guide anywhere would every be so stupid as to say that the dinosaurs died out "between 16.7 and 100 million years ago". Even most gradeschool kids know that the dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period. Please don't post your fantasies as if they were actual anecdotes. Bearing false witness is a sin.
She said "How do you know that?" and he said "Why from the location of the fossil remains of these giant extinct animals of course."
Yet again, your own ignorance reveals your dishonest lie. No museum guide would ever say *that*, either, because that's not how dating is done. That's how *creationists* falsely *think* it's done (all their propaganda pamphlets are filled with that goofy but false claim), so you obviously didn't actually hear that from a museum guide, you made it up based on what you have read from your creationist idols. Shame on you for lying.
Later he got talking about the age of the earth, so. our cute little sixth grader said: "Sir, how do you know how old that area is?" and he said "Why little lady we know it from the fossil remains we find, we know that the animals remains we find at that level all died off in 12-60 million BCE."
Again, horse manure. Stop telling fantasy tales that "prove" the standard creationist horse manure, but which bears no resemblance to how things are *actually* done in science.
The kids caught on right away that dating bones by layers and layers by bones is a bit stupid,
It would be if that's how it's done, but it's not. Thanks for lying in order to promulgate a popular piece of creationist bull***t. I don't know why you creationists lie so baldly and unashamedly so often, but you do -- I've seen you guys do it more times than I can count. Please explain how you manage to square such behavior with your alleged Christian principles.
There are many examples of creationists making this false claim (that fossils are dated by strata and that strata are dated by fossils, in a case of circular reasoning). For example: Morris, Henry M., 1974. Scientific Creationism, Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 95-96, 136.
It is, however, horse crap. See for example: Radiometric Dating and the Geological Time Scale: Circular Reasoning or Reliable Tools? .
No museum guide would ever make the mistake of repeating creationist propaganda as if it were actually how the museum and/or scientists conducted dating tests. Newsgatherer is lying to you -- like so many other creationists.
but being the polite kids that they are, they just shook their heads up and down as you would to an imbecile.
The only "imbecile" here is the guy who makes up stories and presents them as if they really happened, and in the process demonstrates his dishonesty and ignorance of how scientists actually do things. That imbecile would be you.
I love those who believe in evolution, it is so much fun to watch them go in circles and defend their empty theory by attacking the Word of God and Creationist rather than taking a hard look at their theory and it's foolish assertions.
Which "foolish assertions" would those be? Be specific.
We "attack creationism" because it richly deserves to be, as you have so well demonstrated. It's a pack of lies, propaganda, and false attacks on valid science. It's Michael Moore tactics, and deserves the exact same kind of scorn and exposure.
Meanwhile, it's the creationists who have such an "empty theory" that they have to lie about it in order to falsely and dishonestly attack actual science. And no one who actually cared about the "Word of God" would be as grossly dishonest and deceitful as you are. So who are you *really* following?
Similarly with fish developing legs and feet and walking. With all the tens of millions of fish we pull out of the ocean every year, if that could happen, we'd see it. Darwinism demands that this stuff be happening all the time, everywhere, and not just once upon a time, every fifty million years or so.
Are you sure?
Yes I am.
Where you there?
No, but I don't need to be in order to determine ages.
How do you know?
Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective
Radiometric Dating and the Geological Time Scale: Circular Reasoning or Reliable Tools?
You're lying again. Nowhere have I "attacked the Word of God". Retract your slur, or I will take the matter up with the moderators.
And I have indeed "taken a hard look at the theory" for the past thirty years. It holds up incredibly well, and is massively supported by mountains of evidence. It has passed every validation test and every potential falsification test, thousands of times over. Deal with it, and stop behaving like such a jackass.
Finally, I have hardly "proven you right", because I have demonstrated and documented how very wrong you are.
Two lies in one sentence. Nice going.
Thank God the Word of God hasn't changed,
So, you still follow the Torah? I didn't know you were Jewish.
we Christians are way to dumb to keep up with the changes the religion of evolution demands of it's servants.
Do you really think that this sort of thing helps your case, or makes you look reasonable, or helps provide a good example of Christian behavior?
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MONDAY, Oct. 10 (HealthDay News) -- Head to the American Museum of Natural History's Web site, and you'll see the major draw this fall is a splashy exhibit on dinosaurs.
And not just any dinosaurs, but two-legged carnivorous, feathered "theropods" like the 30-inch-tall Bambiraptor -- somewhat less cuddly than its namesake.
The heyday of the theropods, which included scaly terrors like T. rex and velociraptor, stretched from the late Triassic (220 million years ago) to the late Cretaceous (65 million years ago) periods.
But most authorities on dinosaurs will tell you these creatures' direct descendents strut, screech and squawk among us today -- as birds.
In fact, an entry on theropods from the Web site of the University of California, Berkeley's Museum of Paleontology attests that "recent studies have conclusively shown that birds are actually the descendants of small, non-flying theropods."
However, a study in the October issue of the Journal of Morphology suggests that theory may be, well, for the birds.
Based on evidence ranging from a buried dolphin to differences in a three-fingered hand, the study suggests birds are not the smaller, chirping descents of T. rex's kin, after all.
"Thing just aren't adding up for feathered dinosaurs," said lead researcher, avian evolutionist and paleobiologist Alan Feduccia of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. He described the prevailing theory that birds descended from theropods as paleontological "wish-fulfillment" based on "sloppy science."
Instead, said Feduccia, birds and dinosaurs may be related, but only by a common ancestor stretching back hundreds of millions of years.
The new study first attacks the notion that the reptile fossil record is rife with feathers or what paleontologists call "protofeathers" -- long, filament-like structures observed in fossils like that of the 150-million-year-old Archaeopteryx. In 1996, scientists in China discovered an even more striking, allegedly "feathered" fossil, Sinosauropteryx.
"It had these little filament-like structures all over it, especially on the back and tail," Feduccia said. He said that because the dinosaurs-begat-birds theory is now "accepted dogma," paleontologists automatically declared these filaments to be feathers without doing the necessary research to back that claim up.
"The whole thing had become circular -- birds are dinosaurs, so whatever we find on dinosaurs that looks like a rudimentary feather has got to represent the origin of feathers," Feduccia said.
But he and his colleagues have long thought otherwise. Instead, they counter that these filaments are the fossilized remains of "collagenous fiber meshworks" lying under the dinosaur's skin. To help prove that theory, co-researcher Dr. Theagarten Lingham-Soliar buried a dolphin for one year, then exhumed it and looked at the patterns of decay.
"The fiber-collagen meshwork looked virtually identical to these so-called 'proto-feathers' found in the Chinese dinosaurs," Feduccia said.
The researchers also produced examples of fossils with similar, feather-like markings from another dinosaur, Psittacosaurus. Trouble is, all paleontologists agree that this large non-therapod is in no way a bird ancestor.
Finally, Feduccia's team also contends that the forearm of a small "bird-like" theropod with the avian name of Pelicanimimus was actually covered in scales, not feathers.
Then there's another piece of evidence: the bone structure of the modern bird foot.
Feduccia explained that most primitive vertebrate hand structures were like that of humans: five-fingered. Somewhere in the evolutionary process, both dinosaurs and birds lost two of those digits, leaving three behind.
"The question is, which three? In dinosaurs we know it's the thumb and the next two fingers," he said, something experts call the "1-2-3" morphology. But the study's third author, Dr. Richard Hinchliffe -- a recognized expert in vertebrate limb development -- "points out that there are five different assessments showing that the bird hand has the three middle fingers left," the "2-3-4" morphology, Feduccia said.
All of this suggests that dinosaurs never had feathers, he said, and that birds evolved on a separate track from dinosaurs, although the two may have shared a common, distant ancestor.
Not everyone agrees. Back at the American Museum of Natural History, another paleontologist said Feduccia's bird theory may just be a wild goose chase.
"I don't agree with their argument," said Xing Xu, the museum's resident expert on avian evolution. First of all, he said, looking at the recently decayed remains of a modern animal tells us little about how dinosaur protofeathers might or might not have been preserved in stone tens of millions of years ago.
And, he said, the samples of collagenous filaments Feduccia's team presents as an alternate explanation for protofeathers don't match those seen in the fossil record. "In the paper, these fibers are 0.2, 0.5 millimeters long," Xu said. "That's much tinier than the ones we have in the feathered dinosaurs like Sinosauropteryx which are 2, 3 even 5 centimeters long sometimes."
The orientation of Sinosauropteryx's protofeathers also runs perpendicular to the animal's long bones, whereas collagenous fibers from modern animals run roughly parallel to these bones. "It's another problem," Xu said.
John M. Rensberger, former curator of paleontology at the Burke Museum at the University of Washington, Seattle, called Feduccia's paper "the best presentation" he's seen yet of the argument that birds did not descend from theropods. But he agreed with Xu that Feduccia's theory has flaws.
Regarding alleged differences in bird and theropod hand morphology, both he and Wu said scientists are still debating whether birds display the 1-2-3 digit arrangement or the 2-3-4. "It really hasn't been proven one way or the other," he said.
And he said his own research as a specialist in morphology favors the birds-came-from-dinosaurs theory. "All the bones that I've looked at of the more lightly built theropods are indistinguishable [in internal structure] from those of birds," Rensberger said. "And that's a completely unique situation among all vertebrates. It's a strong indication of a very close relationship between birds and theropods."
But Feduccia contends his own evidence is equally strong.
"I think all this takes us back to the drawing board -- we have to start re-looking at where birds come from," he said.
He also believes media and museum hype over "feathered dinosaurs" has done paleontology a disservice.
"There's been way too much hyperbole. To get back to any good science you've got to get away from that and get back to the bench," Feduccia said. "I think the field is ripe for some young scientist who doesn't have any cemented views to come in and look at this and paint it with a brand-new brush."
More information
For more on theropods, check out University of California, Berkeley Museum of Paleontology.
That reminds me of something I heard years ago but was never able to verify. Maybe someone on FR knows if this is true or not. I heard that of the present day human race, 1:40 humans has the skull skeletal structure of a Neanderthal Man and 1:100 has the structure of a Cro-Mangon Man. This stuck with me cause I thought that I could easily think of several people I knew that this would apply to.
Give it up, Ichneumon. This one is beyond your reach. I don't even think he realizes that his posts sound like they were written by an evolutionary biologist with a wicked sense of humor who's trying to discredit the ID movement. I mean, honestly, the only people with whom such logic- and fact-challenged pronouncements could possibly resonate are those who share the same echo-chamber of scientific illiteracy and dogmatic bull-headedness.
A shame none of them ever show up here.
It is entertaining - lol.
Biblical literalism/inerrancy used to be what I believed, including young-Earth creationism (YEC). Then I learned something about evolution and geology, and I reached the dreadful position of realizing that my simple teenaged faith was wrong. I stopped being a Christian for many years. I realize now that YEC is a stumbling block for millions of well-educated people's faith, who equate belief in YEC with faith in Christ -- thanks to the efforts of you and your kindred.
Now I am a Christian again. I have felt the power of the Holy Spirit in my life, leading me away from sin and towards wholesome things. Evolution is not a threat to my faith, science is not a threat to my faith, and it shouldn't threaten yours either.
I might mention an experience I had many years ago. I was a freshman in college when I attended a debate between Dr. Duane Gish and a biology professor from my college. Gish had a slick and entertaining presentation, with professionally produced color slides and folksy stories. The biology professor spent 40 minutes carefully explaining, using logarithms, how radiometric dating works. The biology professor knew that if he proved the Earth is more than 10,000 years old, YEC is disproved. I have no doubt the audience thought that Gish demolished the college prof: as a math teacher I can guarantee to you very few people know how logarithms work. But I was a physics major and I already knew calculus. So I understood the biology professor's argument and it was convincing. After the debate, I approached Gish to ask him a question: How can we see the Andromeda Galaxy if it is two million light years away? (One light year = the distance light travels in one year.) His answer: He didn't know anything about astronomy, but God tells us in Genesis that he created the lights in the sky to instruct men, so he must have created the light in transit. At that point, it was abundantly clear that not only is YEC wrong, but its proponents were foolish.
Gee, really? Little do you know how little you know.
Evolution predicted that transitional forms once existed between dinosaurian forelimbs and bird wings. Creationists predicted that "half a wing" would be unworkable and useless. Guess whose predictions were found to be right?
It would have been observed in recorded history if it was possible.
Theropod dinosaur to bird evolutionary transition:
The cladogram for the evolution of flight looks like this:
(Note -- each name along the top is a known transitional fossil; and those aren't all that have been discovered.) Here's a more detailed look at the middle section:
Fossils discovered in the past ten years in China have answered most of the "which came first" questions about the evolution of birds from dinosaurs.
We now know that downy feathers came first, as seen in this fossil of Sinosauropteryx:
That's a close-up of downy plumage along the backbone. Here's a shot of an entire fossil
Sinosauropteryx was reptilian in every way, not counting the feathers. It had short forelimbs, and the feathers were all the same size. Presumably, the downy feathers evolved from scales driven by a need for bodily insulation.
Next came Protarchaeopteryx:
It had long arms, broad "hands", and long claws:
Apparently this species was driven by selection to develop more efficient limbs for grasping prey. One of the interesting things about this species is that the structure of the forelimb has been refined to be quite efficient at sweeping out quickly to grab prey, snap the hands together, then draw them back towards the body (mouth?). The specific structures in question are the semilunate carpal (a wrist bone), that moves with the hand in a broad, flat, 190 degree arc, heavy chest muscles, bones of the arm which link together with the wrist so as to force the grasping hands to spread out toward the prey during the forestroke and fold in on the prey during the upstroke. Not only is this a marvelously efficient prey-grabbing mechanism, but the same mechanism is at the root of the wing flight-stroke of modern birds. Evolution often ends up developing a structure to serve one need, then finds it suitable for adaptation to another. Here, a prey-grasping motion similar in concept to the strike of a praying mantis in a reptile becomes suitable for modifying into a flapping flight motion.
Additionally, the feathers on the hands and tail have elongated, becoming better suited for helping to sweep prey into the hands.
Next is Caudipteryx:
This species had hand and tail feathers even more developed than the previous species, and longer feathers, more like that of modern birds:
However, it is clear that this was still not a free-flying animal yet, because the forelimbs were too short and the feathers not long enough to support its weight, and the feathers were symmetrical (equal sized "fins" on each side of the central quill). It also had very reduced teeth compared to earlier specimens and a stubby beak:
But the elongation of the feathers indicates some aerodynamic purpose, presumably gliding after leaping (or falling) from trees which it had climbed with its clawed limbs, in the manner of a flying squirrel. Feathers which were developed "for" heat retention and then pressed into service to help scoop prey were now "found" to be useful for breaking falls or gliding to cover distance (or swooping down on prey?).
Next is Sinornithosaurus:
Similar to the preceding species, except that the pubis bone has now shifted to point to the back instead of the front, a key feature in modern birds (when compared to the forward-facing publis bone in reptiles). Here are some of the forearm feathers in detail:
Long feathers in detail:
Artists' reconstruction:
Next is Archaeopteryx:
The transition to flight is now well underway. Archaeopteryx has the reversed hallux (thumb) characteristic of modern birds, and fully developed feathers of the type used for flight (long, aligned with each other, and assymetrical indicating that the feathers have been refined to function aerodynamically). The feathers and limbs are easily long enough to support the weight of this species in flight. However, it lacks some structures which would make endurance flying more practical (such as a keeled sternum for efficient anchoring of the pectoral muscles which power the downstroke) and fused chest vertebrae. Archaeopteryx also retains a number of clearly reptilian features still, including a clawed "hand" emerging from the wings, small reptilian teeth, and a long bony tail. After the previous species' gliding abilities gave it an advantage, evolution would have strongly selected for more improvements in "flying" ability, pushing the species towards something more resembling sustained powered flight.
Next is Confuciusornis:
This species had a nearly modern flight apparatus. It also displays transitional traits between a reptilian grasping "hand" and a fully formed wing as in modern birds -- the outer two digits (the earlier species had three-fingered "hands") in Confuciusornis are still free, but the center digit has now formed flat, broad bones as seen in the wings of modern birds.
Additionally, the foot is now well on its way towards being a perching foot as in modern birds:
It also has a keeled sternum better suited for long flight, and a reduced number of vertebrae in the tail, on its way towards becoming the truncated tail of modern birds (which while prominent, is a small flap of muscle made to look large only because of the long feathers attached).
From this species it's only a small number of minor changes to finish the transition into the modern bird family.
(Hey, who said there are no transitional fossils? Oh, right, a lot of dishonest creationists. And there are a lot more than this, I've just posted some of the more significant milestones.)
There's been a very recent fossil find along this same lineage, too new for me to have found any online images to include in this article. And analysis is still underway to determine exactly where it fits into the above lineage. But it has well-formed feathers, which extend out from both the "arms" and the legs. Although it wasn't advanced enough to fully fly, the balanced feathering on the front and back would have made it ideally suited for gliding like a flying squirrel, and it may be another link between the stage where feathers had not yet been pressed into service as aerodynamic aids, and the time when they began to be used more and more to catch the air and developing towards a "forelimbs as wings" specialization.
So in short, to answer your question about how flight could have developed in birds, the progression is most likely some minor refinement on the following:
1. Scales modified into downy feathers for heat retention.
2. Downy feathers modified into "straight" feathers for better heat retention (modern birds still use their body "contour feathers" in this fashion).
3. Straight feathers modified into a "grasping basket" on the hands (with an accompanying increase in reach for the same purpose).
4. Long limbs with long feathers refined to better survive falls to the ground.
5. "Parachute" feathers refined for better control, leading to gliding.
6. Gliding refined into better controlled, longer gliding.
7. Long gliding refined into short powered "hops".
8. Short powered flight refined into longer powered flight.
9. Longer powered flight refined into long-distance flying.
Note that in each stage, the current configuration has already set the stage for natural selection to "prefer" individuals which better meet the requirements of the next stage. Evolution most often works like this; by taking some pre-existing ability or structure, and finding a better use for it or a better way to make it perform its current use.
Don't be ridiculous. "Recorded history" is no more than 10,000 years long. Changes of this type take several million years. Your comment is as ridiculous as expecting the rise of new mountains to be observable in a weekend trip.
If you mean that we should expect to see other species in the middle of a transition towards actual flight, well then:
Happy now?
Similarly with fish developing legs and feet and walking.
There is a huge amount of fossil and DNA evidence for exactly that. Game, set, match.
With all the tens of millions of fish we pull out of the ocean every year, if that could happen, we'd see it.
What exactly would you ignorantly expect to see -- a foot to grow out of a fish in the net just as you pull it out of the water? Don't be stupid.
If you meant we should find other fish species in the middle of the process of evolving towards "developing legs and feet and walking", I guess you're really ignorant of biology then, because you're obviously totally unfamiliar with the mudskipper (or any of a number of other land-adapted fish):
Evolution in action, Joe.
Darwinism demands that this stuff be happening all the time, everywhere, and not just once upon a time, every fifty million years or so.
Yup. And it does. Thanks for admitting that this confirms evolutionary biology.
Why on Earth would something develop wings to fly? It's not like there would have been anything in the environment that necessitated that for survival. I'm also curious about the development of lungs. They would need to be a minimum size for a creature to depend on them for survival. How could they have developed slowly when they weren't even useful at first. There'd be no purpose for them.
Uh huh. Sure. Of course you do. Here's a cookie.
Look, son, I'm sure you believe that, because the creationist propaganda factories produce that lie over and over again, and you made the mistake of believing it. But it's not true. And while there may be a few confused idiots in with "credentials" who have bought into the same lies, it quite simply is not true. Read any ACTUAL science journals in the field, and you'll quickly learn the scores of different ways in which dating is performed in NONcircular ways. No amount of foot-stomping and declaring "is so, is so!" by creationist liars will make that fact disappear. So stop following the people who are lying to you, and learn to think for yourself for a change, start to learn the field yourself instead of relying on the falsehoods of others. In short, stop acting like an empty-headed Michael Moore groupie who swallows any crap he's fed, and rejects any and all evidence to the contrary out of hand because he "knows" that his hero is right...
The creationists have lied to you. A lot. It's not hard for you to look around at actual science journals and discover that they contain material that the creationists have dishonestly claimed doesn't exist. All you need do is look, and be honest with yourself. If not, well -- complete this sentence: "There are none so blind..."
I know he's beyond reach. I'm just making sure that he doesn't poison anyone else's mind with his lies.
Evolution is driven not by what is "necessitated", but by what is an advantage. As for the selective pressures which would drive it, see my earlier post (the one with all the bird transitional fossil pictures.
I'm also curious about the development of lungs. They would need to be a minimum size for a creature to depend on them for survival. How could they have developed slowly when they weren't even useful at first. There'd be no purpose for them.
You shifted gears in the middle of your paragraph, and didn't even notice. Yes, they would need to be a minimum size (or more accurately, functionality) for a creature to DEPEND on them. However, in your next sentence you claim they wouldn't "even be useful" -- this is a shift. Proto lungs would be *useful*, even if they were not yet sufficient to fully *depend* on yet (as a sole means of acquiring oxygen.
The answer was actually provided by Darwin in his 1859 book (and was based on yet still earlier evidence), and has been confirmed and reconfirmed by fossil and DNA research since then.
The answer is that early lungs developed in animals that already were relying on some *other* primary means of acquiring oxygen. Lungs developed in some lineages of early fish, as an *auxiliary* to the gills which were the primary oxygen system. So there's the answer to your puzzle -- early lungs were an *assist* to the gills, not a system that had to develop entirely from scratch all the way to full functionality before the animal could breath in the first place. So even a barely functional proto-lung would still be useful, and the animal would still be able to survive (because it didn't *depend* solely on its lungs for its survival).
The fish lineage which eventually evolved into amphibians evolved the ability to store fresh air in its swim bladder (which was already an air sac used for floation) in the manner of a "scuba tank", which would allow it to have a source of oxygen even when venturing into brackish water where the gills began to have trouble getting enough oxygen. The "lungs" were a supplement. Over time, they became more sophisticated and capable in this function, and their ability to exchange the oxygen they contained with the bloodstream grew in efficiency, until eventually the "lungs" became worthy of their name, and became something which the animal could use on its own even when the gills were unable to carry on (as in totally brackish water, or when crawling across land in search of new bodies of water, as in modern mudskippers or lungfish).
The mistake that many people make when trying to picture evolutionary developments of modern organs or systems is that they try to picture they arising *in* modern organisms (you probably tried to imagine lungs appearing in an early mammal or somesuch, right?) Instead, it's often the case that modern organs evolved in very different animals or different circumstances, when other systems or environments were "carrying the load" that the organ *eventually* (but not in the beginning) became the primary carrier of.
It's not true.
Neandertals were so significantly different from modern man that it would be surprising if *any* modern humans actually had the skull structure of a Neandertal. As Trinkaus and Shipman (1992) write:
"Rare individuals among modern humans may share one, or even a few, of the anatomical characteristics of Neandertals, but not one human - much less any population - can be found that possesses the entire constellation of traits that define Neandertals" (p 412).
And on the other hand, you say that "1:100" would match Cro-Magnon man, but that's far too few. Almost *all* would, because "Cro-Magnon" is the name given to the anatomically *modern* humans who first colonized Europe. It's a designation of the (modern) peoples in a given time and place (Europe 35,000 to 10,000 years ago), *not* a designation of a species or subspecies of human "different" from our own, which is the case with Neandertal.
I think in some cases mental deficiency will mitigate.
Junior, for the catalog.
"claiming them to be the missing link racist bastards.
Aborigines were racist bastards? First I've heard about that.
If you can give me a complete and "finished" (meaning not missing any "missing links")fossil record, starting with the big bang, then I'll start to take you seriously. Even then, that doesn't mean that evolution's true. Oh, btw, if the big bang actually happened, where did all the matter for the big bang come from? If you are a "scientist" and not a "layperson" you will be able to give a better answer than the "oh it was always there" after all, it had to come from somewhere, right?
Now that is a pretty stupid statement! I know and can articulate what I believe in, God created the everything and He did it in six days!
Now, let's see you articulte what you believe as clearly.
Take as much space as you want, I really need a good alugh this moring, you evolutionist keep digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourselves. Open mouth insert millions and millions of feet.
Don't have time to look at your silly links, just answer the questions, if you can, which I doubt. Don't try sending me all over the net to do yur homework, if yu can't answer the question jsut say "Da, I don't know... but, I know my great, great granddaddy 2 zillion times removed was either a rock, or a monkey."
By such a ridiculously high standard of proof, no one would accept any religion either, or anything else at all.
If those are the lengths you will go to in order to shield yourself from following the massive amounts of evidence where it overwhelmingly indicates, I will not trouble you with pesky real-world evidence. Enjoy your beliefs, I hope they serve you well. I wouldn't dream of making you uncomfortable by presenting you with facts which might cause you to question your premises.
Now that is a pretty stupid statement! I know and can articulate what I believe in, God created the everything and He did it in six days!
And this has *what* to do with my observation about how you don't know anything about evolutionary biology, and thus you laugh at it? Oh, right, nothing.
Now, let's see you articulte what you believe as clearly.
Okay: I believe you're trolling.
That's because a half a wing WOULD be unworkable and useless
Didn't bother to actually read the rest of the post, I see...
When you say millions and millions of years, you are calling God a liar! When you say we evolved, you are calling God a liar! Read Genesis chapter one and two. God says In the beginning He made everything. He says He did it in six literal 24 hour days, Read Exodus 2-:11, written not by man but by the very finger of God.
You attack me and you call God a lair instead of defending your humanist religious belief. Go to the moderator see if he or she agrees with you.
Now tell me, according to your religious belief in evolution, how did you get here? Why are you here? What happens to you after you die?
Tell me, as an evolutionist, How did we get here? Why are you here? What happens to you after you die? What do you use for the basis of law? Whose laws do you follow? Are there any absolutes? If so, if they do not come for God where do they come form? And if not, are you absolutely sure?
Can't risk actually *learning* something, eh?
just answer the questions, if you can, which I doubt.
I *have* answered the questions already. Try to keep up.
Don't try sending me all over the net to do yur homework,
I'm trying to get you to do *your* homework before you spout off more nonsense, son. If you don't know the subject, stop making confidently arrogant (and wrong) pronouncements about it.
And if you can't be bothered to actually read a technical answer, stop asking questions about how science works. It's a technical field, and proper answers can't be accurately distilled down to the sort of bumper-sticker slogans that creationists are so fond of. If you want to learn how radiometric dating works, in sufficient depth to be confident that it's accurate and a valid method of determining dates, you're going to have to actually *LEARN* how it works, in detail. If you can't be bothered with that, feel free to skip the science threads and go hang out on the daily cartoon threads or something else more in line with your capabilities.
if yu can't answer the question jsut say "Da, I don't know... but, I know my great, great granddaddy 2 zillion times removed was either a rock, or a monkey."
Your shtick gets old and boring pretty fast.
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Should the Edmonton Oilers be interested in Jonathan Bernier?
Jonathan Willis
July 13 2012 11:54AM
The situation in net for the Oilers is not particularly good. Devan Dubnyk has shown well over the last two seasons, but isn't a sure thing and backup Nikolai Khabibulin has had one good, healthy, season since the NHL lockout. With Los Angeles Kings goalie Jonathan Bernier requesting a trade, should the Oilers be interested?
The short answer: probably not.
Yesterday, Bernier told French-language media that he had requested a trade back at the NHL's trade deadline. The Kings told him it wasn't happening. Now, however, he expects that the team will accommodate his request prior to training camp. From L.A. Lariviere with TVA Sports, who broke the story on Twitter yesterday:
Bernier's a good goaltender, and should attract interest from teams in need of net-minding help. The 23-year old was the 11th overall pick of the 2006 Draft, and had two excellent seasons as a starter with Manchester of the AHL prior to a pair of decent seasons as a backup in Los Angeles. Likely, he will show himself as a starter-calibre goalie in the NHL at some point in his career.
The thing is that Los Angeles, like Vancouver with Cory Schneider last year, really has no reason to accommodate his request unless they get what they perceive to be fair value coming back the other way. Bernier's under contract for next season at a reasonable cap hit, and he will be a restricted free agent afterwards, meaning that the Kings can safely use him for a year and still be confident that he'll have trade value next summer. It might be tough for the Kings to get his name on a new contract a year from now, but that's not a pressing reason to deal him.
It's been suggested in some quarters that Bernier must be dealt so as to keep peace in the locker room, but to put it bluntly that's a crock. Bernier asked for a trade at last year's deadline, meaning that this situation existed all through the Kings' playoff run – and as I recall, the team did okay in the post-season. (Digression: This particular locker room also featured 'Dry Island' duo of Jeff Carter and Mike Richards, the much-maligned Dustin Penner, and others. If ever there was a team that proved the lasting worthlessness of arm-chair team psychology, it was this one.)
So, despite Bernier's stated wish to go elsewhere, the Kings are under no particular pressure to move him immediately. That means they'll be expecting so receive market value for him, and despite the fact that Bernier remains unproven, market value seems to be pretty high. A few recent trades involving young goalies shows that:
- Semyon Varlamov (Career: 59GP, 0.917 SV% at time of trade) – traded for a first round pick (Colorado had finished with the second overall pick that summer) and a second round selection.
- Anders Lindback (Career: 38GP, 0.914 SV%) – traded with Kyle Wilson and a seventh round pick for Sebastien Caron, two second-round picks and a third-round pick
- Sergei Bobrovsky (Career: 83GP, 0.909 SV%) – traded for a second round pick and two fourth round picks
None of those goaltenders really come close to the draft pedigree of Bernier, with Varlamov (a 23rd overall pick) coming closest. Where would Bernier's value lie, compared to the three above? It seems likely that the Kings would be looking for at least a first-round pick; they might even be able to finesse a little more out of an organization.
The Oilers aren't really in a position to be giving up first round picks; maybe they could swap a prospect instead but either way the acquisition would be pricey. Additionally, they aren't really set up to acquire a goalie like Bernier.
The team's decision not to buyout Nikolai Khabibulin – as well as to ink Yann Danis to an incredibly lucrative AHL contract – means they're ill-suited to adding a goalie without sending one away. Would the Oilers be willing to bury Khabibulin's contract in the minors? It seems unlikely, particularly given that if the Oilers had bought out Khabibulin in the summer, they'd have saved $1.25 million in real money. If they had real interest in upgrading between the pipes, that was something they likely would have done.
Nor is Bernier a clear upgrade on Devan Dubnyk. Leaving aside the size factor (which is increasingly becoming a vital factor for goalies), Bernier has played 48 career games and posted a 0.910 save percentage. Dubnyk has 101 career games under his belt with a 0.910 save percentage – and the latter number is dragged down by a 19-game run in 2009-10 where he posted just a 0.889 save percentage. Bernier may be the better player in the long run, but it isn't at all clear that he'll be hte better player next season.
If the Kings were in a bind with Bernier, a position where the Oilers had some leverage to extract a favourable deal, things might be different. But at this point, paying a premium price in assets for a guy who may not be an upgrade over the current starter – and who will clearly be displeased if he ends up as the backup – would be a mistake.
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July 13 2012, 11:59AM
Doobey and Madjam to the Kings for Bernier. Do it!
July 13 2012, 12:14PM
madjam is rumored to have a NMC...
He wears Vaughn pads. Vaughn pads are like mythical artifacts that turn average goalies into superhuman goalies in clutch situations. I'm on board.
July 13 2012, 12:21PM
...madjam wears Vaughn pads too?
July 13 2012, 12:22PM
That's a genius question. Of course not. We have Dubnyk for now, and Bunz and Roy on the come up. Bernier is not a proven goalie, just a proven whinner. No thanks. Next article please.
July 13 2012, 12:27PM
He wears Vaughn pads. Vaughn pads are like mythical artifacts that turn average goalies into superhuman goalies in clutch situations. I'm on board.
No idea if this is some sort of inside joke or what. If it is, my apologies, but he definitely wears Reebok as he is sponsored by Reebok
July 13 2012, 12:30PM
Nope. Bernier is trying to get out of a situation where he's behind a capable goalie. Dubnyk signed a starter contract and probably will be pissed if he's playing behind soon-for-the-glue factory Khabibulin. If we trade for Bernier, we will have one pissed off goaltender or another. Given how 'well' the Oilers do when a trade demand appears from a player, this isn't the healthiest course of action for the team IMO.
"Dubnyk has 101 career games under his belt with a 0.910 save percentage – and the latter number is dragged down by a 19-game run in 2009-10 where Khabibulin posted just a 0.889 save percentage."
Khabibulin is so awful he drags down the numbers of his teammates, even when he's injured and isn't playing ;)
Ah yes my mistake. Should've looked closer at the picture. But the original point still stands! Hire a goalie with Vaughn pads!
...madjam wears Vaughn pads too?
madjam wears maxi pads...
BERNIER IS AN UPGRADE -plain and simple and thus worth inquiring about . A lot of Oilers nation has little negotiating skills . Everyone including Crosby are for sale just like Gretzky was - you just have to find the price and start negotiating from there . Dubnyk should get L.A.'s attention for many reasons . Even without dangling Dubnyk , Bernier is worth persuing even if a deal may not be reached as we still have to adequately replace Khabby this year or next .
July 13 2012, 12:51PM
Good article JW... Very well thought out.
Under the circumstances, it would make no sense to go after Bernier.
July 13 2012, 12:52PM
That Varlamov trade was a substantial overpay. If LA is looking for a similar return for Bernier... I hope they have to keep looking. Dubnyk is our #1 and he will thrive in that role. Also, Khabbi is finishing his contract here so he will doubtless have a good year
So if the Oilers are intent on not upgrading our goal tending situation this year, other than trading starter positions, and Habby's contract runs out next year. Will the team promote someone in the system (Roy / Bunz) or go after a goalie in free agency and try and get someone on the cheap (like Washington did with Vokune)? If it's the latter, who's going to be available for cheap, and will that goalie near the end of his career be an upgrade on Habby (well obviously since much has been written about Habby being the worst signing of any team in the last three years).
Bernier asking a trade from the Kings means he wants a shot at number one. I think the guy only has like 45+ games or something as experience. Dubnyk with his new contract should be given his shot. This really isn't a giant leap forward for the Oilers or a giant leap back. To me Dubey starts and Khabbi grabs some pine. Goalies are so unpredictable these days, remember some years ago Steve Mason playing unreal? Mathieau Garon playing unreal? This year Brian Elliott and Mike Smith becoming the next Brodeurs. As dumb as this may sound I think Dubnyk has been steadily rising, hes been playing on horrible teams so its tough to gauge his development based on losing seasons on losing teams. At times though he does make things look super easy, I say keep developing him and if all else fails make a trade.
I agree, would Bernier really be much of an upgrade over Dubnyk? How many times do you see an goalie taken in the 1st round become only average to below average (only exceptions Luongo, Ward, Price etc.). You would think by now Bernier with his pedigree would of taken over the number 1 position. I think the best course of action is keep drafting goalies until you find your elite starter and only trade if you are absolutely desperate and have no one in the system (ie. Tampa, Colorado).
July 13 2012, 01:25PM
Love to have him as a backup to replace Bullin. Can't have him here if he thinks he deserves the #1 spot. If he can earn it, great, but can't be given to him
July 13 2012, 01:28PM
I would inquire to see what it would cost and ask to talk to him. If he can be had cheap and is ok coming in and playing for a spot then I would go for it.
We have a career AHL goalie as insurance and a guy that plays worse then your average homeless person could play for a cheeseburger as our back up. If Dubnyk gets hurt our season is over. Start out the season splitting games and make it well know going in that the job is up for grabs. It seems to be the trend in the NHL no to have a poweful goaltending tandem that each pulls their weight.
An ideal situation would see one of them stepping up and winning the starting role but even then one playing 50 games and the other playing 32. No back to backs are played, in case of injury we are in good hands and if they are both playing well let the backup play enough to increase his value for trade.
Pass.... just singed Dubby for $7 large. Bernier wants to be the 'GUY", , so you have Dubby as back on a $7.00 mil contract. Not good planning, not mention the final year of Habbys deal.
For now its sink or swin and see how he carries the workload. Maybe with a better defensive play this might help him {dubby}. He sill has a problem with his post to post movements ... little slow on the draw.
July 13 2012, 01:44PM
One bad goal per game monkey enters stage left and settles on Devans back.
No pressure Dubey...
I would inquire to see what it would cost and ask to talk to him. If he can be had cheap and is ok coming in and playing for a spot then I would go for it.
We have a career AHL goalie as insurance and a guy that plays worse then your average homeless person could play for a cheeseburger as our back up. If Dubnyk gets hurt our season is over. Start out the season splitting games and make it well know going in that the job is up for grabs. It seems to be the trend in the NHL no to have a poweful goaltending tandem that each pulls their weight.
An ideal situation would see one of them stepping up and winning the starting role but even then one playing 50 games and the other playing 32. No back to backs are played, in case of injury we are in good hands and if they are both playing well let the backup play enough to increase his value for trade.
I gotta say Cody, usually your comments are well thought out and on point, not that this one isn't, but I really disagree for our current goal tending position. I think the contract Dubnyk just got lets him know he has an unimpeded shot at being the Oiler's number one for the future. Bringing in someone to challenge for the number one spot would be counter productive, and it also is't the best goal tending situation possible. Sure Halack and Elliot were great in the regular season, but as soon as the Playoffs got under way, they folded. Also, teams that have a clear cut number one, and then happen to also get talented back-up are the teams usually with the strongest goal tending (Lunqvuist, Thomas, Miller, Ward, Quick, Kipper, Brodure) This is what the team should be looking for Dubnyk to become. True we need an upgrade on our backup, but not someone who's going to challenge for the number one. Instead we need someone who's comfortable playing a good amount of games in a solid backup role, like Schnider did with Luongo before the playoffs. That will carry us much deeper than a 1A 1B tandem like the Blues have, or like the Oilers have had for many years.
Does this loyalty to Khabibulin in the face of all logic help to counteract some of the bad PR accrued by the Oilers management during the Souray Scenario?
Or during the Comrie Complications?
July 13 2012, 02:14PM
Hopefu;lly there is no one silly enough to suggest trading Dubnyk with a .915 Save% over the last two seasons on a 30th place team.
We had an improvement in the quality of defence pairs 1. with acquiring N. Schultz. 2. plus playing cam barker less. 3. Whitney's return in Jan.
Dubnyk went 16W - 11L - 4OTL with a .920 SV%
Imagine 65 games with a further improved D.
Bernier please!
July 13 2012, 02:15PM
@ Will
Thanks for the compliment before crushing me....lol. Just kidding.
For the record, I hate the contract they offered Dubnyk. I would have offered him longer term to show my confidence in him rather then the larger amount. If we continue to overpay we will be in cap trouble in a hurry. All that being said I think we are all going to be pleasantly surprised with Dubnyk this year. He posted above average numbers with the worst defence in the NHL. I would assume with a real defence in place he could be one hell of a goalie. I think he is currently better than Bernier and would win the starting role anyway.
The problem I have is Dubnyk has never been a starter for an 82 game season. If he gets tired we will be throwing points away by putting Khaby in net. If he gets hurt we will be finished. I hate having this kind of risk going into a bubble season. I think the team is on the brink of playoffs and could possibly make them this year.
My ideal would be to sign Bernier as his backup.....but we know that isn't happening and this is where I came up with my previous post. Bernier probably feels he could win the starter role and he is probably smart enough to figure out that even if he ended up being the back up here he is going to play a lot more games then he would as Quick's backup. If we brought him in and I am wrong and he steals the show........then we have a star goalie and I would be willing to deal with Dubnyk's hurt feelings.
July 13 2012, 02:31PM
"One bad goal per game monkey enters stage left.
No pressure Dubey..."
Bernier got a .911 Sv%. Facing 27.4 shots a game with a cup winning D.
Dubnyk got a .915 Sv%. Facing 31.6 shots a game with a less than average D.
Some people latch on to the negative imagine that occured a couple times all season and ignore the other 40 Games.
I will take the odd bad game for the other 35 he kept us in.
I mean really! "bad goal per game monkey"
This kind of hyperbole is ..........!
Then I saw it was you!
Par for the coarse!
I would prefer to go into the 2012-13 season with a tandem of Dubnyk/Bernier fighting it out for ice time (with Khabi buried in the minors, or better yet, playing in Europe) than a Dubnyk/Khabi duo, however, that ain't likely to happen.
My thought would be to at least call LA and see what they want for Bernier. If it's a package like either one of Roy or Bunz and the rights to an RFA or two (Omark, Peckham), then seriously look at the deal. If they want first rounders or roster players, Bernier ain't a cler starter and you could, ugggh, probably get Luongo instead for that price.
Does anyone think that instead of buying him out the Oilers' plan is to waive Khabbi early in the season once another team has goalie problems or injuries? This way the entire cap, or at least half of it, will come off the books if he gets picked up, even on re-entries.
I'm surprised Danis decided to re-up but maybe the Oilers are planning to try and get rid of Khabibulin this season in a way that lessens the team's financial obligations, and informed Danis that there might be opportunity to spend significant enough time in the show this upcoming season.
July 13 2012, 03:06PM
I have said to the boys at work that the Oil should go after Bernier for over a year now. He has the talent, just not giving the opportunity being behind a superstar in Quick. Having two goalies as healthy competition is benefitial to both players as their gave either gets elevated or they ride pine.
However, after giving up $3.5 million for 2 season to Dubey, while still having Khabby on the books, I don't think this is the right time for the Oilers to look into it....unfortunately.
I have said it before, I'm not convinced Dubnyk is a legitimate #1 in the NHL. When Quicksilver mentioned the bad goal per game, he wasn't too far off! Dubnyk seems to want to break into a starter after a solid game or two, but then follows it up with a couple of stinkers in a row.
I think too many Nation civilions have their Oilers goggles on thinking that a)Dubnyk is a starter and b) this team is a playoff calibre team. We got an unproven NCAA kid as our defensive "upgrade" and another rookie Russian on the wing. How is this going to change anything if any one of the 2 rookies or Dubnyk sputter-because you know all 3 aren't going to be lights out???
Bernier had to beat out Quick for starters , and that's no easy task to begin with . Schneider had to beat out Luongo and that was no easy task . L.A. still wants to keep Bernier because he is close to being as good as Quick , if not the equal already. Bernier a lot better than some of you realize . Another goalie of that age and caliber would be a great addition to our club - don't kid yourself this kid is good . He'll prove it just like Schneider if given the chance to be NBR.1 somewhere . Bernier is a clear starter just not on L.A. for now ! Miniscule difference between Bernier and Quick to be honest .
Then why did neither Columbus or Tampa Bay deal for him, two teams in bad need of goaltending. If he is suppose to be as good as everyone is saying then Florida or Toronto should of already traded for him instead of trading for Luongo and his cap hit. he is more hype than substance.
July 13 2012, 03:33PM
@Cowbell feva
You have some legit concerns and some we all share.
That being said if you compare Dubnyk's record and save percentage the last 2 years to Khaby's;
I don't think you would be far off saying we would have got at least another 5 wins had we ran with Dubnyk as our starter. Dubnyk's save percentage has been above league average on a 30th and 29th place team with the worst d in the league. If you don't think poor D will increase not only the number of shots but also the quality of scoring chances then I want some of whatever you are drinking.
I don't know if Dubnyk will ever be an elite goalie in the NHL, but I think he has already shown he is good enough to be a mid range starter. He does let in the odd soft goal, and that can change a game. They did seem to be coming fewer and further between and anyone who has played goal and most that have played hockey know that goaltending is hugely mental. A confident goalie is much better then one that is shaken. It is certainly not to hard to see how your confidence could be shaken being the backup goalie behind the worst goalie in the league on one of the worst team's in the league.
I flipped when we got J Schultz and I believe he will be the real deal. Obviously there will be an adjustment period where he will go through a learning curve that will include some errors, but I would be very surprised if he is not a major upgrade over barker if not many of our other NHL/AHL Dcorps. if he is paired with a good shut down Dman, preferably n Schultx to cover some of those errors I think he will be fine.
Yak will be a good offensive weapon this year. he may very well struggle on his defensive game, but i expect we will see him getting soft competition for most of the year.
This team is much better then last year, and last year although the standings weren't much improved, it was a much better team then the year before. We are trending in the right direction. We are still lacking depth and a few key injuries could decimate the team, but if we have a reasonably healthy team I think we will be competing for the 8th spot. We are certainly not a shoe-in to make it this year, but I see us being competitive, and I think with Ralph behind the bench we are going to get a better effort out of our vets and be a tougher team to play against.
@Cody anderson
Ha! That all makes sense. I also think he could have a great year with improved defense. As not having a season at number one, didn't he play 47 games last year?
I don't think 13 extra games is too much of a stretch, or even if he plays 15 extra, and can get ten extra wins out of those 15, I'd be pretty ecstatic.
July 13 2012, 03:57PM
There's no doubt his contract was a horrible signing, but that's the past and there's only 1 year left. I really don't think that given the summer additions so far, replacing Khabby with Bernier will be the determining factor between playoffs and golf come April. The teams' playoff fate goes beyond the back-up goalie position.
Since none of us are in the room or on the ice at practice with the team we have no way of knowing how much of a positive impact/help Khabby might be for Dubnyk. If there's a good relationship there it may help Dooby in a way that doesn't necessarily translate through numbers - goalies are different creatures. Is he the best backup, clearly not, (worst? maybe) but perhaps he plays well if he's limited to 20ish games and if/when he does stumble they can IR him and then find out if Danis will be a capable back-up next year while Roy/Bunz develop some more in the A.
The team is always being lambasted for a lack of continuity. I think we're picking the pepper out of fly poop on this one.
July 13 2012, 03:57PM
I know this is off topic, but did anyone see the Gagner comparable that just got signed. If he is not willing to sign and goes to arbitration who is a better comparable then Kyle Wellwood?
47 points 1.6 million from a smallish centreman
Great signing!!!!!! But I would use that as his comparable with an arbitrator in order to bring his value down.
July 13 2012, 04:09PM
@ Will
Dubnyk played in 47 but only started 42.
He played the first 3/4 of the season as back up and then ran with it for the last quarter. Ended up starting 50% which is a big increase from previous years. I would think if Khaby is his backup he needs to start 62+ games for them to have a good year.
I have no clue what his conditioning is like, or how he practices. Some goalies could play all 82 games while others burnout if they are playing more then 50. Khaby has had good games and good runs of games. He may be fine as a backup and may come in with something to prove, but he has lost my faith. It is also just as possible another year further diminishes his skill set and losing the starting role effects his confidence making him a shell of what he was last year(Which is hard to picture)
I believe this is the tandem we enter the year with, but would prefer they had bought Khaby out and replaced him with a capable tender.
July 13 2012, 04:40PM
What would it cost to buyout Devan Dubnyk?
..i kid, just preparing for next summer.
Does this loyalty to Khabibulin in the face of all logic help to counteract some of the bad PR accrued by the Oilers management during the Souray Scenario?
Or during the Comrie Complications?
Khabby never badmouthed the organization but that idiot Souray did. Souray is a cancer in the dressing room, plain and simple.
Hopefu;lly there is no one silly enough to suggest trading Dubnyk with a .915 Save% over the last two seasons on a 30th place team.
We had an improvement in the quality of defence pairs 1. with acquiring N. Schultz. 2. plus playing cam barker less. 3. Whitney's return in Jan.
Dubnyk went 16W - 11L - 4OTL with a .920 SV%
Imagine 65 games with a further improved D.
Bernier please!
The Oilers didn't finish in 30th last year. It was 29th.
Some of yuo think Bernier is all hype and no substance , and you would be wrong . If you said that about Dubnyk i might buy that at this stage , Dubby was really weak in shootouts as i recall . How far might L.A. have got without the performnces of Quick ? Bernier would be a good canditate to do that for us if we obtain him . I've been a fan of his since his Memorial Cup days where he was simply incredible .
July 13 2012, 06:06PM
I think dubnyk has at least earned an opportunity to fail. Give him some rope, lets see what he does with it. I like that he posted good numbers on a bad team, and I like how he's as tall as two Bernier's. Small goalies are dinosaurs...small dinosaurs.
July 13 2012, 06:13PM
And is anyone worried that Dannis couldnt step in as a competent backup. If not for the Khabby albatross we would have already seen it.
The whole team psychology is overblown. When the team wins, no one cares in Penner's has a pancake problem, Bernier wants a trade, if Doughty is paid too much for being only a 40 point guy, and Mike Richards and Jeff Carter are smoozing with Kobe and the Laker girls. The team looks for fall guys when theres a lack of success.
When the Kings loose 8 straight in December, Penner's problem with the pancake and malt based beverages will occur. The Philly fab duo will need rehab, and people will claim the King's need a back-up to spell off a tired Jonathan Quick whos all of sudden swears to much in interviews and needs a solid number 2.
Sports is stupid
Oh yeah isn't the recently signed Jared Stoll is going to be a sideshow too now that hes dating the The Great One's party hardy daughter.
Oiler Domination to Follow
I would love to see Dubnyks numbers after the departure of Tom "soft hands" Gilbert and the arrival of Nick "The Rock" Schultz..
If someone can make that happen, that would be greatly appreciated. If memory serves me correct, Dubnyk became an elite goalie after his acquisition, but I dont have the stats. Its interesting how Defense makes goalies better and sadly Dubnyk has never had any - hes always had the likes of Barker, Peckham, Sutton patrolling the blue line - so he has never really had the chance to shine
Speaking of psychology, there is some logic in a warped way surrounding the Dubnyk contract.
If he becomes a legit number one, there are no problems. Duh.
If Roy plays into the rotation by the break, then it's easier to trade a player who looks to be paid as a bargain number one instead of trying to say your underpaid player was really a number one.
I don't know if that translates well...
But if the Oil were signing a player from another team that was good but being outplayed by someone else, if that player was making Two Beans a year then no one would believe this guy was really a legit starter. At 3 to 4, the fans in say Florida as example might buy into a trade.
As far as a trade for Bernier goes? No. Too much young depth coming. BTW Did the Oil sign that Finn they drafted last year?
Khabby never badmouthed the organization but that idiot Souray did. Souray is a cancer in the dressing room, plain and simple.
No he wasn't.
Both Horcoff and Penner went out of their way to tell the media Souray was a good team mate and that he would be welcome back in the room.
Various media accounts from Dallas also indicated that Souray was a great team mate and a stand up guy.
Not surprising that he got a new three year deal while Lowe is still cutting him cheques.
Of course, I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Slats for the entire fiasco.
The short answer: probably not.
Wow have to disagree J.W anything is an improvment over Khabby IMO. Kinda of like the thought of how they could push each other. Not to mention I got a feeling Lomabardi will not be dealing with us. But if he did what do you think the starting asking price would be for him.
July 13 2012, 09:34PM
@The Oilers Shot Clock
Bernier has played 48 career games and posted a 0.910 save percentage...and Danis has played 50 career NHL games and posted a .910 save percentage.
I know Danis is a little small for a goalie, but I don't understand why you would trade for Bernier when you've got a guy with similar ability already in your system. Quick has shown that you don't need to be all that big to be successful in the NHL.


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Paul Young suggested in his letter of November 19 that the residents of Emery County had better come up with a plan or "be prepared to get hammered." Young proposed that the "enviros" would soon move forward with a plan to lock up the area using the Endangered Species Act. Jeff Durrant wrote offering a couple of suggestions following a Public Lands Council meeting.
There is another alternative. In a recent Federal Court opinion, the Judge found that the BLM must achieve consistency with local government land use plans (Uintah County, Utah v. Bureau of Land Management and Defenders of Wildlife et. al.). This means that the County could enact a local land use plan that describes how the Swell should be managed to benefit the residents of the county. The BLM would be required to develop their Resource Management Plan with consideration of consistency with the County plan. There is a national policy of no negotiations with terrorists. There are laws against extortion and we should never conduct our lives in response to extortion. There should be no negotiation with extreme environmentalists. You will never be able to satisfy their constantly expanding demands.
Mr. Durrant reasoned that the editorial in the Salt Lake Tribune, reprinted in your paper, demonstrated that federal monument designation was still threat. My response sent to the Tribune follows:" Your opinion column Nov 10, 'A Swell Monument' contained the statement, 'Federal, state and local officials should move the monument question to a broader stage, one less easily manipulated.
Emery County voters have had their say. Millions of others deserve the same opportunity.' "There have been calls for the rewilding of the Salt Lake basin. This would mean relocating the citizens of your metropolitan area to somewhere else. Applying the logic of your statement above, such a move should be decided by the people of the other 49 states.
Maybe since you support such an absurdity the rest of the nation can oblige with a grant financed campaign to accomplish returning the area to its "pristine" glory of pre-European settlement.
"The objective of our Constitutional form of government is the protection of our creator endowed inalienable rights against the whims of democracy or more accurately mobocracy. Forsake that principle at your own peril.
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Montpelier, located in Orange County, Virginia, was the plantation home of James Madison, fourth president of the United States. The original core of the main house was built around 1760 by President Madison's father, James Madison, Sr.. In 1797 James Madison, Jr. and his wife Dolley moved to Montpelier and began making changes and building additions, with the advice of Thomas Jefferson.[1] Madison added a wing to the northeast end of the house, as well as a portico on the front.[2] In 1809-1812, Madison made further additions to the house, again with the architectural advice of Jefferson and also with the help of two of Jefferson's builders, James Dinsmore and John Neilson.[3]
In 1844, Dolley Madison sold the property. Renovations were made around 1860 and again around 1884 by subsequent owners.[4] In 1901, the property was purchased by William duPont, who made extensive renovations and changes to the house and property, including the construction of numerous outbuildings and additions to the main house that nearly doubled its size.[5]
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- ↑ Calder Loth, ed. The Virginia Landmarks Register, fourth edition (Charlottesville: The University Press of Virginia, 1999), 366.
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