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Skip to comments.Pedophiles Seek Online Support, Societal Acceptance
Posted on 06/13/2003 8:17:51 AM PDT by kattracks
(Editor's Note: Contains information some readers may find objectionable.)
(CNSNews.com) - There's something for everyone on the Internet - even for pedophiles who seek support and acceptance for their fixation on children.
Some of the websites that "celebrate" adults' love for minor children are very careful to monitor their content so they don't break any laws. Pornographic images, erotic literature and other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites, but advocates for children find them very troubling nevertheless.
At the website Girl Love Garden, pedophiles claim to be on a quest for social acceptance of their sexual preferences. The website celebrates "the emancipation of girls of all ages and 'girl love,' in general."
The website notes that "true emancipation" lies "in a child's sublime assent to becoming self actualized with the keen-eyed help of a loving mentor (gardener) who is willing to carefully fertilize and tend to the growth of the emotions, spirit and intellectual flora of the garden of a child's soul."
The committee's mission statement offers the view that adults who are "naturally, sensuously attracted to little girls and blossoming young women will achieve full emancipation only by clothing their souls with a childlike personality and agreeing to 'play safe' with each other "
Here visitors find "an oasis of shade" among the "refreshing waters of reason" where they are invited to "drink deeply of the exquisite delights to be found herein by Girl Lovers everywhere."
But "boy lovers" need not feel left out. At the Free Spirits website, visitors learn that "boylovers have not chosen of their free will to become so."
"It is an attraction most discover within themselves at a very early age," the site explains. "Through no action of their own, they find themselves considered horrible and vile. Most people who are attracted to minors try to live good lives but find no encouragement from a society and a press that labels all people with that attraction, whatever they do or don't do, as evil monsters," the web site says.
Developers of "BoyChat," the chat room at Free Spirits, admit it is not a place where "well-meaning social workers firmly guide people the way they think they ought to go."
BoyChat says it is run "by boylovers for boylovers." It encourages people posting on the website "to work freely through their own issues and questions."
The operators of both the Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden websites are free to express their views because of the anonymity of the Internet. There are many other online sites catering to "MAAs" (minor-attracted adults, which some pedophiles prefer to call themselves).
Such websites claim to advocate for the civil rights and acceptance of "the most underserved and misunderstood sexual minority remaining in today's human society," according to the Free Spirits mission statement.
Along with chat rooms, these sites include members' galleries, where visitors find personal, historical and literary insights on loving children; and message boards where visitors may discuss issues involving the emotional, romantic and sexual relationships between children and adults.
According to Barry Maddox, spokesperson for the FBI's Baltimore, Md., office, the sites are "totally legal." Maddox told CNSNews.com the sites come close to breaking the law but do not break it."They've done their homework," Maddox said.
Pornographic images, literature or any other sexually explicit content are nowhere to be found on these sites.
"Girl Moments," or stories describing an encounter with a female adolescent that are "tasteful," "well-written," and focus on "friendships or other light-hearted encounters" are welcome at Girl-Love Garden, according to its frequently asked questions (FAQ) section. But it warns visitors not to "include details that evoke a prurient interest in sexual relations.
"Written materials that appear erotic or that advocate or counsel engaging in sexual activity with a minor constitutes a very serious offence" under the criminal codes of Canada, the U.S. and the United Kingdom, the FAQ warns, adding that "your material must be in full compliance with these laws so that when viewed with a prejudicial eye, they could not be seen as openly advocating, counseling, inducing, nor encouraging sexual intimacy with minors."
"We're only interested in those who act upon these impulses," Maddox said. While legal, he added, the sites "do make me sick to my stomach."
Ruben Rodriguez, director of the Exploited Children Unit at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, told CNSNews.com that while he likes the Internet, sites such as Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden "have turned sections of it into a sewer."
"Many of these pedophiles act out on their impulses," Rodriguez said. "These kinds of sites are not something I would welcome."
Rodriguez said all the disclaimers and attempts at de-stigmatizing the "deviant sexual behavior" of pedophiles online are "just excuses" for them to "sit in front of a monitor and masturbate." He expressed "disgust" at the notion of society accepting pedophiles as another minority group.
"I see us sometimes going down a different path," Rodriguez said. "I don't see it getting better, I see it getting worse...going in a direction sometimes that just drives me crazy."
Some MAAs claiming to be Christians say they have found comfort at a website called Philia, which provides news and resources to religious support groups for adults who are attracted to minors. Philia, along with the Christian Boylove Forum (CBLF), are for those who "find themselves in the position of having no one to turn to who shares their faith as well as their sexual feelings.
"This (online message) board attempts to fill that gap by providing a friendly, safe place where we can be honest about our feelings and struggles with sexuality and faith, without fear of destructive criticism or harassment," the CBLF site states. "This is a place for mutual encouragement, support and advice as we seek to deal with our sexuality and society's reaction to it in responsible and healthy ways, to live out our lives with integrity and to express our faith in a way that honors God and demonstrates the love of Jesus Christ to all people."
Both sites are run by "Bach" - the screen name used to protect his identity - a boy lover who told CNSNews.com via e-mail that he has never acted upon his feelings and that he found support through a Christian service agency with which he volunteered.
"I am in a committed relationship with another man and have found that I am able to gain some satisfaction with this compromise," Bach wrote. "We discussed the fact that many message boards didn't allow for a Christian boylover to explore his faith in the context of his sexuality. We were often confronted with boylovers who had a strong hatred for the church, and we were constantly defending ourselves. This was the impetus to form the Christian Boylove Forum."
From CBLF sprung "Christian Consultations," "an annual gathering to bring together Christians (and some non-Christians) who are willing to enter into dialogue about adult attraction to minors," according to the Philia website.
"We have had involvement at the Christian Consultation from various pastors, Christian service workers, members of...Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Persons," Bach stated in the e-mail to CNSNews.com. "The goal of these encounters was to provide a non-threatening place for dialogue ...to help break isolation and fear.
"I would hope that Christians could come to accept that minor-attracted adults are not monsters, not sex maniacs, not uncontrolled freaks, but folks who have to live their lives with a desire that is demonized by society and the media to an extent that they are fearful to speak of it to anyone," Bach explained.
Julie Posey, a self-described "cyber-crime fighter" runs the website Pedowatch.org. Posey's website claims that "since 1996, she has passed on hundreds of tips to law enforcement involving child sexual predators who use the Internet as a tool to gain access to children who are later sexually assaulted and in rare instances murdered."
Posey is also the author of They Call Me Kendra, which Pedowatch.org describes as an autobiography of "her life experiences as a sexually abused child and tells how she later became one of the nation's leading experts on child sexual predators."
Kendra was the onscreen name Posey used to trap sexual predators online. She told CNSNews.com that Christian Consultation sounded a lot like prison ministers who work with convicted pedophiles.
"They go into prisons and try to help the families," Posey said. "They say, 'Oh, what your loved one did isn't so wrong...he has a love for boys,' and they try to get them (the family) to accept it. But they're trying to get all of society to just accept it, and it's unacceptable to me."
Posey said sites like Free Spirits and Girl-Love Garden are "just working to make their stories sound good.
"I read the North American Man Boy Lovers Association's manifesto one time, and they were like 'sex is actually good for kids,'...well, I can tell you it's not," Posey said. "If society doesn't get a grip right now - and even right now it's going to be difficult, they are definitely going to have the same rights that we have."
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I don't think so.
These perverted pieces of filth aren't getting even a pittance of the PUNISHMENT they actually deserve!
What about .."A millstone round their neck, and they be thrown into the Sea." Damned right it is demonized, literally.
These people do not "Get Better".
The answer is humane euthanasia, or, failing that, justice at the hands of the families affected. Or possibly a bounty.
I was at a local art exhibition years ago. An artist, a young man, painted horrifying daylight fluorescent paintings of various rapes he had endured. It seemed to be the only way he had of coping with the nightmares. What a ruined life. Many people stalked away from the exhibit in disgust.
My only disgust was that he felt too helpless to go hunt the men depicted down and blow their brains out.
And it has the added benefit of curing you of that slice and cutting several strokes off your game.
Fifty years from now, when peophelia is accepted as an alternative lifestyle, I wonder what new group will be seeking societal acceptance for their perversion?
Reading the description...it sounds all so PS...as in
Cops could, and did, meet their 'quota' of arrests at homosexually oriented bars, and the targets just endured it...until the Stonewall Riots in Greenwich Village circa 1968.
Once the 'homosexual community' realized they had the numbers, they headed West to take over San Francisco, which provoked the Harvey Milk Murders, the 'Twinky Defense' backlash, and a tremendous acceleration in what was to become "the Homosexual Agenda".
This article seems to be an attempt to head a similar 'awakening' off at the pass.
First,"Out of the Closet".Now,"Out of the Toychest"
Sick,sick people.
The only perversions at the level of pedophilia or worse are bestiality and snuff. Unfortunately, there have been cases combining pedophilia with both.
I never, EVER thought I would see the day when pedophilia would seriously find a foot in the door to being considered "normal"... I guess I gave the hard-left too much credit :-(
....I'm WAITING!
The authorities all know, but can't do anything about these sites courtesy of our oh-so-sweet ACLU. These sites fall under "freedom of speech". There are more sites hosted overseas with even more forgiving laws.
Exactly. But when conservatives warned of this very issue nobody listened.
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GEE!.... more than Five minutes later and still no familar voices from the gay is good crowd! Gee, the voice of silence is deafening!
Whatever floats your boat.
Because our movement must first grow stronger before it can help its still weaker friends, we recommend a rule for public alliance that is tough and selfish. But that rule doesn't favor insularity: the movement should eagerly ally itself with large , mainstream groups that can actually advance our interests (e.g., the Democratic P arty, the National Organization for Women, or the Presbyterian Church). But even then, we should demand to see some major public demonstration of their commitment to our cause before we rush to commit to theirs.
Unless and until such bold alliances materialize, however, the bottom line remains: be focused in your efforts to reach the public via mass media. In the minds of straights, we must be gay people, not leftists or whales. So talk, talk, talk about gay rights, and leave it at that. (Feel free to agitate for any other cause you like, of course, but do so while wearing another hat.) And downplay any support from outgroups whose very names are likely to arouse suspicion and antipathy. Otherwise, desensitization will be all the harder to achieve.
Here is their chance to rise up to the occasion and prove to us they weren't lying!
Let's here some oppositon to these child raping animals from the pro gay poster!!!
Equating all the homos with pedophilia is just stupid. It's as stupid as equating pedophilia with Catholicism. ....you want to show me where I equated all homos with pedophilia? All I want is to really hear them denounce the child loving crowd as they proclaim they do! Here is their chance!
....Oh and....BACK OFF BOZO!
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Type: Task
Status: Closed
Priority: Minor
Resolution: Fixed
Affects Version/s: 2.2, 2.2.1
Fix Version/s: 2.3
Component/s: Documentation, Messages
Affected Branches:MOODLE_22_STABLE
Fixed Branches:MOODLE_23_STABLE
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Check and update documentation, so that it should comply with moodle coding guidelines.
Following needs to be updated/checked for message api
- DocBlock for page and functions.
- All the files should be checked/updated.
Note: You can create sub-tasks, so as to avoid bulk integration.
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This is still a work in progress. Should get this finished tomorrow (or maybe tonight).
All done I think. The only thing Im not sure about is whether I have the package/subpackage information correct in the message processors. https://github.com/andyjdavis/moodle/compare/master...MDL-30987_message_docs#diff-19
Putting this up for peer review to get some feedback.
Hello Andrew,
In addition to what David mentioned, you might want to consider following:
- message/externallib.php package should be core_message and subpackage should be removed. You might want plugin manager to look at this core_message_external and add category tag
- Prefix for Messaging consumers is message (/message/output) not sure if core_message_output_email is correct. IMO it should be core_message_email
- Please use datatype for $USER, $CFG as stdClass
Rest looks Great, just wondering if category tag appropriately (as it's used at few places only.)
The @category tag only needs to be on message_send(). That function is the main API for plugins to send messages, and so that is all that needs to be described (and in detail) on http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Message_API
All the rest is for the message system itself.
And the base class for message output processors is a different API, which is specific for that type of plugins and will be described on the Plugin overview page for that plugin type.
Ok, I think Ive got that stuff fixed. The only point I don't understand is "Please use datatype for $USER, $CFG as stdClass" Where are you talking about Rajesh?
In message/output/lib.php - Line: 66, I think it should be stdClass?
Also, package is still core_message_output, shouldn't it be core_message, similarly core_message_output_popup should be core_message_popup.
Ive fixed up that object/stdClass.
Im pretty sure the packages are correct. The standard set of message processors we provide need to be grouped. Plus they all have class names like message_output_jabber and it seems like the package should match the class name structure.
After some discussion in a meeting I've updated the packages for the message processors to comply with http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Frankenstyle#Plugin_types
I still think its a bad idea for the following reasons:
1) The package names no longer conform to the same standard as the class names
2) We are removing the ability to add a 2nd kind of plugin to the /message directory in the future.
Hi Andrew, is there anything more than needs to be peer-reviewed in regards to the code here or can this be put up for integration?
I had a quick look over the code and certainly the phpdocs are looking perfect.
I think its ready to go. I was just waiting for someone to verify that. Putting it up for integration.
The main moodle.git repository has just been updated with latest weekly modifications. You may wish to rebase your PULL branches to simplify history and avoid any possible merge conflicts. This would also make integrator's life easier next week.
TIA and ciao
Sarcastic and unhelpful comments from me in Developer's chat:
(3:07:27 PM) timhunt: Well, that is really helpful: https://github.com/andyjdavis/moodle/compare/master...MDL-30987_message_docs2#L21R25
(3:07:27 PM) moodlebot: http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-30987 message API, check and update DocBlock - Assignee: Andrew Davis Type: Task Status: Waiting for integration review V:0 W:0 Priority: Minor
(3:07:39 PM) timhunt: I hope most of the new API docs are better than that.
(3:08:04 PM) timhunt: I mean wow! send_message processes messages, I could never have guessed that.
(3:08:14 PM) timhunt: And it takes some data as an argument.
(3:08:30 PM) timhunt: Those are all the details I need to know to use or override that method.
Sorry, I am having a bad day. (Not helped by this.)
Just thought you might want to know, so you can improve these docs.
Ive added another commit that points users to where they can get details of what is in the arguments.
Hi Andrew,
I've just picked this up for integration, the first thing I have been doing before reviewing it myself it running Marina's moodlecheck plugin against changes to identify any obvious things.
Several things came up when I ran it against the changed files most notable the things put into @package and functions with incomplete/incorrect @params.
It's probably best you run the tool yourself and have a look at the output as it will give you a nice complete list.
You can get the tool here https://github.com/marinaglancy/moodle-local_moodlecheck
In regards to @package there has been quite a bit of confusion about this one (due to constantly changing/misunerstood rules and ideas).
@package should be a valid component so for the messaging API core_message.
For messaging output plugins it should be the frankenstyle name for the plugin so for the popup plugin I think it would be message_popup.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Thats weird. I was getting a clean bill of health from the code checker. Getting the latest version now.
I've made a bunch more changes and squished the commits. All messaging code is now passing the code checker whether it is API related or not.
The code checker has changed a fair bit. I probably should have been keeping it up to date.
Thanks Andrew, this has been integrated now. Just noting I did make an additional commit just to fix up a couple of very minor things as well.
Test result Great.
I made a few minor edits, but the documentation was very good.
Some changes to Moodle should be milestones in the project by themselves.
This is not the case and your fix is not so important, but your collaboration is highly appreciated, thanks!
Closing as fixed, ciao

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Anyone hear Toe or Lite?
lol... I ask can you spot how many things are just off in this video by UVERworld.
I mean wtf is with those pants...and wtf again in general??? There music is all over the place sometimes...Its not a bad song but its kind of...off
- This is why when it comes to J-rock I love Asian Kung Fu Generation as they are consistent. You listen to songs like World Apart, Mugen Glider, Natsou no Hi Zanzou, & Wakusei you get that top quality feel and not the acid trip I got dropped on my head as baby feel that UVERworld sometimes comes up with.
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Just like listening to it, although about all i know is two mix.
Probably best to post this here rather than the share your music thread, It seemed out of place amongst all the stuff being shared there.
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I like J-rock more than J-pop... not a big fan of the boy bands. :/
I'll listen to a bit of Orange Range, Home Made Kazoku, Flow, ect... but I only like a few of their songs.
Let's get this party started.
You share my taste, Muffin. I love Donten and Shura too. Helps that Shura always brings the Benizakura arc to mind
I was never keen on Asian Kung-Fu Generation until they did the opening for Tatami Galaxy, Maigo Inu to Ame no Beat - Youtube link.
I love their album Magic Disc though.
As for Theater Brook, I love the second track on the Uragiri no Yuuyake single, Mirai Wo Ima.
Besides System Of A Down, what other Armenian rock bands are you into?
Here are some of my other favorites:
Capital Cities
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VOICE OF THE NATION - Bring Out Your Dead
Vintage Flame
November 22 2011 02:24PM
This is one of the funniest movies known to mankind. The humour is subtle but deliberate and there are more underlying messages than Wilson counts scoring chances in a week's worth of Flames games. Does this clip remind you of anything or anyone that we talk about often on this site?
It should.
Much like the poor bugger in the clip, teetering on the brink of death, but not quite there, the Calgary Flames have been teetering between wins and losses, but always maintaining the stench of mediocrity, which we all know is a slow painful death.
Indeed the Flames are far from finished. It is still early in the season and Calgary is not far enough from the pack to say they can't make up ground in the standings and turn this thing around before the search and rescue becomes a search and retrieve. However, there is going to have to be something that comes from this team, some spark of life that shows the fan base that this season, this team is worth supporting and fighting for.
If we see John Cleese's character as Jay Feaster, and the Eric Idle as any willing GM in the NHL, we see that no matter how much the Jay man wants to strike a deal to get rid of some dead weight, there just isn't a buyer in the market... right now. Why not now? Well the simple explanation is that people just don't want to take on dead weight, and no matter how good of a job you do with lawyer speak Jay, GM's can still see the crap all over what you're offering.
I have no doubt in my mind that Feaster is probably working the phones almost every day, but there is little incentive for a team that is doing well to find any need or value in any Flames player as we speak. When talking about any move the Flames make, the overwhelming factor has to be something that will benefit this team in the future, more than it benefits it at the moment. There is no instant fix, because the Flames cannot trade their marketable players to teams that are in the same state as Calgary, it does them absolutely no good. The Flames can also not trade their marketable players to elite contenders because they simply don't need them...for now.
At the beginning of the year, Feaster and company did their best to convince a sceptical and impatient fan base that the Flames were a better team and, a legit playoff contender. He went so far to call out the skeptics that were advocating a full blown re-build, similar to that of the Edmonton Oilers.
"I'm sorry - Edmonton finished where last year, caller? Want to wager on where we finish relative to Edmonton this year? I'm tired of this question, I'll tell you very honestly. I'm getting a little sour. how many teams... every year, for the last 10 years, five years, eight years, have finished in the bottom five, bottom seven, bottom 10? They've had to pick anywhere from No. 1 to No. 10 year after year after year after year, and they still wander in the desert. And they're no closer to getting out than they were 10 years ago."
Jay might be eating his words this year, and crow will be just the appetizer. Now I'm not saying that the Flames GM was feeding a line to the media and to the fans. I honestly think he believed in what he said then, and probably still does. I believed Jay as well. I liked the bold move, especially when he told the public to "Write it Down", when talking about the Flames return to the post-season.
The start of this season has been a polar opposite of Jay's claims though, and so far his boasts of a head-to-head record with the Oilers is looking like a lot of hot air.
Will this continue? It's not likely. The Edmonton Oiler will probably not continue their early trends and will eventually begin to slide in the standings. Is that going to matter to their fan base? Not in the least! They play a very exciting brand of hockey and the fans see what is in store for the organization in the near future. Flames fans on the other hand leave each game feeling more frustrated and filled with more and more contempt. Rather than seeing a not very talented team, giving it their all, and playing exciting hockey, they witness a bunch of stiffs playing through the motions like they don't really give a damn.
Does this fall on Feaster and/or Sutter? Many of you will say it does, but I don't agree. This is a problem with the players through and through. I chatted with Pat [Steinberg] on overtime last night and he brought up exhibit 'A' on this point. The Flames pathetic powerplay is a Jekyll and Hyde story. The PP that is executed during games is not the system that is being implemented or run in practices. Why not? This is not a fault of the coach, and certainly not the GM. When you run a system over and over again in practice and then when it comes to game time, the players take it upon themselves to implement a different style, the knocks and criticisms have to fall on the players and the leadership.
You can wait. Flames fans won't need to wait until next year, after the numerous contracts expire and all that money comes off the cap, but you will need to wait longer than you would like. As the trade deadline approaches, there will be more teams looking to shore up their rosters to make a playoff run. That's when Calgary will have more leverage in trade scenarios. Teams will then be looking at Calgary for missing pieces to their puzzles, and this is when will most likely see the possible departure of people like Bourque, Moss, Jokinen, Kiprusoff and even Jarome Iginla.
Honestly, don't expect any tinkering moves, they are a waste of time and resources at this point. As Pat said on overtime, the Flames cannot make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. The only deal we are likely to see happen buzz-wise or sooner-than-later, would be a deal to move Bourque; and that can't come soon enough. All other assets are pretty much locked until the Flames have some bargaining power.
As for the fan base, we might as well get used to this frustration and aggravation for a while. News is all over twitter right now about the Kyle Turris signing in Phoenix, and with that comes the speculation of where he will now end up. At 2 years and $2.8M combined, I'd like to see the Flames take a shot at him. That being said, Bourque is the only name that comes to mind, and he would be a good fit for the Coyotes, reuniting with Daymond Langkow. On the flip side to that coin is the fact that there are probably a lot of teams interested that have more to offer the Yotes than Calgary does, or is willing to give up; so don't get to excited.
On the topic of excitement, wouldn't it be nice if Flames fans could experience this level of excitement over someone in our line-up? Have we ever been THIS excited about anyone??
November 23 2011, 09:54AM
I'm reqlly happy and impressed that the guys who are really struggling, Iginla, Tanguay and Bourque feel they never need to go to optional skates. Way to buy in you turds.
November 23 2011, 10:14AM
@Kevin R
Hey Kevin, Yeah, the Oilers want a top 4 D, and there are some bloggers who say that Tambellini should have traded for one at the start of the year. However, the demands for one and the offer that is often quoted by fans and such are not made by a unanimous group. I agree, we need a top d-man. Do I think that Gagner, Omark and a 2nd round pick would be enough? Maybe, but I don't think that is the right move at this time. I'm not one of those fans who acts like Leafs fans were with Ponikarovsky and Kaberle, Gagner could be good, and he has moments, but he's worth a prospect/project d-man with lots of upside, just like himself. Same with Paajarvi. Moving him now is trading a player with potential for cents on the dollar (isn't it great how easily we commodify living people!) and getting back someone who may only be useful to the team for another year or two. We have top 4 d prospects in our system, but we actually don't have a surplus of large left-wingers available. After Paajarvi, Toni Rajala and Curtis Hamilton are our next best options and they are at least a year to three years away. If we are going to address the D it seems more prudent to work with the depth we have from within and revisit the situation in the summer with free agency.
My guess right now is that Paajarvi becomes a good 2nd to 3rd line winger who can add some depth scoring, draw penalties, and perhaps even expose some 3rd pairing defensemen. He has size, some skill, a great work ethic, he is mind-numbingly fast, and he has been largely injury-free. If those are our expectations of him then why trade him?
The Oilers blogger on Hockeybuzz (sorry for mentioning it here, but it is relevant) argued until he was blue in the face over the summer that the Oilers absolutel must put in an RFA offer sheet on Shea Weber and forfeit 5 first round picks in compensation. I don't think I can adequately express how bad an idea I believe that to be. The blogger is impatient and believes that the team has to try to win a Cup this year or next. Like I said, I strongly disagree.
As for the trade papers that you are faxing over, I'll tell Steve to expect them and we'll have our counter-offer there shortly. I'm thinking a 2nd round pick this year and next, Gagner, Peckham, Omark and Olivier Roy for 1st round picks in 2013 and 2014, Mikael Backlund, and Max Reinhart. =)
November 23 2011, 10:17AM
BTW, VF I can't believe it took me this long to mention it, but is this video (one of the finest pieces of film in human history) meant to symbolize Jay Feaster's desperate attempt to move Matt Stajan?
Hey Rex!:) You are a tough man to deal with. It seems that syndrome of my house is nicer than everyone else's syndrome is widespread:) But I will admit that I was wrong about the Oil dealing the 1st overall to New Jersey or Florida for their #1++ so they could pick Larsson. He's looks good but Nugent-Hopkins looks really really good. I am shocked & I would have to put him in a higher category than Hall. I still think you guys need a step in top 4 dman & pay the price for him. That could be the difference of the playoffs this year or not. Nice game last night BTW.
To ALL CONCERNED: UNder "NO" circumstances do we deal with the friggin leafs. Screw me once(Gilmour) shame on me, screw me twice(Phaneuf) shame on you, screw me 3 times well, you know how I feel.
November 23 2011, 11:49AM
I think if you wanted to draw a more accurate analogy between the Flames and Leafs it would be Iggy and Sundin. I think Flames fans are moving towards the opinion that if moving Jarome can help the future of this franchise, especially when his contribution to the present is waning, then we would like to see less of the emotional ties to Iginla and have all parties move on. The longer Iginla stays with this team, the more it hurts his value which hurts the team's chances of trading him for a viable return.
The Leafs held onto Mats for far too long because Mats still wanted to be part of the Leafs re-build or development or whatever... In the end they got nothing when he signed as a free agent with the Canuckle-heads. The last things Flames fans want to see is Iggy do the same thing here.
This is precisely why I would like to see Iggy moved this year. Give him the last 2 years on his contract to go win a cup. Then, hopefully, we can resign him to mentor our kids and retire a Flame and with some luck, win a 2nd cup with the Flames before he's done.
My fear is that if we get nothing for him before the end of his current contract, he will see things as a last chance to get a cup and sign elsewhere, leaving the Flames with nothing.
Now is the BEST time to move him.
November 23 2011, 12:04PM
This is precisely why I would like to see Iggy moved this year. Give him the last 2 years on his contract to go win a cup. Then, hopefully, we can resign him to mentor our kids and retire a Flame and with some luck, win a 2nd cup with the Flames before he's done.
My fear is that if we get nothing for him before the end of his current contract, he will see things as a last chance to get a cup and sign elsewhere, leaving the Flames with nothing.
Now is the BEST time to move him.
the fan 590 toronto was chatting it up this am about iggie becoming another mats suntan and balking any move. kipper to the leafs for reimer,armstrong,colbourne and kadri. iggie to the pens for asham,kennedy and niskanaen. rebuild should start now, hows rainy bork to buffalo for some of the excess forwards ie foligno and kassian. just suggestions and starting points.
November 23 2011, 12:06PM
I'm reqlly happy and impressed that the guys who are really struggling, Iginla, Tanguay and Bourque feel they never need to go to optional skates. Way to buy in you turds.
I was thinking the same thing. Especially when Sutter is sitting alone watching with the same look on his face as me after my wife says "not tonight, I have a headache."
@Vintage Flame
VF, could it be possible that what Negrilcowboy heard on Toronto radio talk show the decision has already been made & all we're getting is the same ol same ol party line?
November 23 2011, 12:57PM
@Kevin R
Most of the bloggers and media guys here in Edmonton were convinced that it should be Couturier or Larsson even in early June. I was pretty enthused about RNH because of his point increase year over year and I felt that if a medium sized kid could rack up those points on a mediocre team in the D-happy WHL against all those massive defensemen, he'd do just fine here.
He and Hall are just different. Hall is a player who has an impact like Ovechkin (he is not Ovechkin, I am not saying he will become Ovechkin) in that he will often create chances by himself and he is a good player regardless of his linemates. RNH is the kind of player who makes the other 4 guys on the ice with him better. That's what a centre should be and, god willing, it is what he will continue to develop into.
Hey, I'd gladly take a top 4 d-man right now, but not if it means selling our futures. I'm patient. I have no need to see the Oilers go on some long playoff run this year if it means that the management starts changing course mid-stream. I don't want a good team today, I want a great team tomorrow and the day after.
November 23 2011, 12:59PM
@Vintage Flame
No way was I going to be the one to compare Sundin and Iginla! But of course that comparison has been in the back of my mind.
Sundin screwed the Leafs and I am kind of surprised that fans there still love him. If he had accepted a trade they could likely be 2 years ahead in their rebuild and knocking on the door alongside LA, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay and others.
Yeah, Flames fans should be very worried about Iginla doing the same to their organization.
November 23 2011, 06:13PM
Muppets singing a music video for Dion Phaneuf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JQbnPUjmBQ Pretty darn funny and he's played for my two least favourite teams, so that's saying something.


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Benetton Treviso shocked Munster 34-10 to lift themselves up to eighth in the Pro12 and dent the away side's play-off chances.
Benetton Treviso shocked Munster 34-10 to lift themselves up to eighth in the Pro12 and dent the away side's play-off chances.
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For Treviso:
Tries: Nitoglia, Giusti, la Grange, Semenzato, Toniolatti
Cons: di Bernardo 3
Pens: di Bernardo 2
Yellow Card: Maistri
For Munster:
Try: Penalty Try
Con: Keatley
Pen: Keatley
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Treviso: 15 Brendan Williams, 14 Ludovico Nitoglia, 13 Andrea Pratichetti, 12 Gideon La Grange, 11 Giulio Toniolatti, 10 Alberto Di Bernardo, 9 Fabio Semenzato, 8 Christian Loamanu, 7 Filippo Giusti, 6 Dean Budd, 5 Corniel Van Zyl (c), 4 Valerio Bernabò, 3 Jacobus Roux, 2 Giovanni Maistri, 1 Michele Rizzo.
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Believes the future needs something to do
And talks to me in straight lines
The slut-flavored pears
Now littering my yard
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For the sake of misdirection,
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With the busier of minds.
I sit in the porch swing
For over an hour.
I imagine a southern jukebox
That comes through clearly
By listening for its beauty in the ether.
Its music feels too endless.
Too easy.
While moving through me too freely.
My throat heats.
My heart aches.
I begin to weep.
Afterwards, I scare my ducks,
(Because I can)
And make my way towards the pond.
The new grass beneath my feet
Warns me to run forever.
As the memory of you and me,
Stops me at water's edge.
Where the frogs soon move me,
From musing nature's scant lullaby,
To analyzing Pharaoh's teeming nightmare.
I eventually retreat back inside.
Across the lawn.
Through the house.
Up the stairs.
Beneath my canopy of night,
Harsh thoughts
Clash wholeheartedly
With heated tears
And stifled cries.
'The stars were never shining down on me,
They just looked down on their luck.'
Such a wretched truth to plague my mind,
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This is the official home web page of The Flagon and Trencher Society: Descendants of Colonial Tavern Keepers. Here we present the purpose of the Society, the membership requirements, the history and publications of the Society. You can purchase our publications or download an application package. And members can update their address information or order insignia.
Please note: this information is provided gratis as a public service without frames or annoying ads. We do not collect any information about you other than that which you voluntarily mail us.
The Flagon and Trencher:
To establish the good repute of colonial tavern keepers through:
Those persons, either male or female, who can prove direct descent from a person conducting a tavern, inn, ordinary, or other type of hostelry prior to 4 July 1776 (within the area which became the first 13 states). There is no age restriction for members. Please enroll your children and grandchildren!
In colonial times, taverns, ordinaries, pubs and other hostelries were usually kept in a person's home and no other building existed for this purpose. Therefore, the majority of the "taverns" as we think of them in that time probably did not have names. In smaller municipalities named taverns were probably not the rule. In larger ones the taverns had names to distinguish them apart.
The key to establishing membership is proving that your ancestor was licensed by the local authority to conduct the business of keeping an ordinary, hostelry, inn or hotel or licensed to sell spirituous liquors. The name of the establishment is not necessary. Brewers do not qualify. [top]
During a speech on "Genealogical Sources of the Philadelphia Area" delivered at the National Genealogical Society in March 1962, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., remarked parenthetically that there seemed to be lineage societies for all kinds of ancestors except tavern keepers. Suggested Kenn Stryker-Rodda from the audience, "let's found one." Enough persons heard of the idea to prompt Kenn's sending a letter dated 1 September 1963 suggesting "an annual dinner at an old inn, with colonial menu (solid and liquid) spiced with learned and witty addresses on suitable topics, as the focus for the Society." It was Lee who dubbed the organization "Flagon and Trencher."
Sheppard and Stryker-Rodda were surprised by the response, but saw the feasibility of creating an organization that would not be bound by the usual rigid rules and regulations of other organizations, but would make it possible for interested persons to establish their ancestry from a tavern- inn- or ordinary-keeper who was in business during the colonial period.
The December 1963 issue of the National Genealogical Society Quarterly carried an announcement stating the requirements for membership. In the two years that followed, many applications were received. Although it was suspected by Sheppard and Stryker-Rodda that membership would probably be small, by early 1965 it became evident to them that there was more interest in the Society than initially anticipated.
The first dinner meeting was held on 21 May 1965 at Frances Tavern in New York City . At that time there were twenty charter members and thirty-two other qualified members, whose applications had been carefully checked. More than half of the members attended the meeting. It was at this meeting that the name of the Society was formally chosen by its membership. It was also decided that a different host, with the title of "Mine Host," would be chosen for each future annual meeting. A constitution and by-laws were drafted soon thereafter, based on the many suggestions of the membership.
The second meeting was held 20 May 1967, at which time the constitution and bylaws were adopted and a design for the Society's insignia was chosen. The name of the Society is "FLAGON AND TRENCHER: Descendants of Colonial Tavern Keepers." The insignia is a tavern sign bearing the design of a flagon and a trencher with two wooden spoons and the name FLAGON and TRENCHER.
By 1973, there were more than 75 members, nearly half of whom attended the annual meeting at General Wayne Inn in Narbeth, PA. This meeting marked the beginning of an even greater interest in the Society, for in that year alone 35 new members were added. In 1974, the membership increased by 42 more, and in the year 2002, the Society reached a membership of more than 1,000. All told, the Society's members have numbered over 1,300; nearly 250 supplemental applications have been filed, and the membership thus far has honored more than 700 colonial tavernkeepers.
Throughout this growth the Society has been led by a remarkably small number of officers. You can see their names and a brief tribute in thanks for their contributions.
In the year 2002 Alexander Bannerman, only the third person to hold the office of Keeper of Tavern Records in the Society's 40-year history, developed three special-recognition awards. The first, known as the Flagon Award, is an engraved pewter flagon, awarded to a member who has contributed substsantially to the growth and maintenance of the Society. The second, known as the Trencher Award, is a lapel clutch-pin in the design of a trencher, awarded to individuals who serve as Mine Host for an annual meeting, or who in some other way provide a valuable service to the Society. Both awards are accompanied by a certificate of appreciation. The third award is a carved wooden plaque bearing the Society's insignia, and is presented in gratitude to the Tavern or Inn that hosts an annual meeting of the Society. [top]
The annual meeting shall take place in the first half of the year at such time and place as shall be determined by the Keeper of the Tavern Records and the MineHost/Mine Hostess for the year.
Each year we meet for luncheon in a colonial tavern. We enjoy an authentic meal and entertainment worthy of our ancestors. Some meetings since 2003 have links to a slide show of photographs. [top]
We have published thirteen small volumes of biographies of tavern keepers. See their Tables of Contents. These are all available for purchase. These brief volumes are NOT all inclusive, but rather, they only contain biographies of a few featured taverners and innkeepers. There are many thousands of men and women who provided this service over the course of the 140-year-long time period on which our Society focuses. After reviewing the contents, if you wish to submit a biography of your ancestor, please contact the Keeper of the Tavern Records for instructions on how to do so.
The Society offers a periodically updated list of established and verified taverners and innkeepers. If you wish to obtain a copy, please use our merchandise order form. Currently the list contains over 700 qualifying men and women, but it is by no means a complete list of all taverners and innkeepers, just those who have been named as qualifying ancestors for either primary or supplemental memberships in our Society.. Check the site from time to time to learn of future updates.
To obtain this list please use our merchandise order form. Better yet, buy two and donate one to your local genealogical library. You might also want to join our record extraction project. [top]
You must fill out the application form with your lineage to a verified tavern-keeper. A copy of the documentation for each fact must be included. "Copy" means either certified copy of a record or photo copy of the original. Do not send original documents. If you are a close relative of a member, then there is a "short form" application.
There is a life membership fee of $100 which includes a nonrefundable examiner's fee and a handsome membership certificate. There are no annual dues. After your membership based on a primary ancestor is established we welcome supplemental applications on other qualified ancestors. The current fee for supplementals is $35.
The first step is to download the instructions to your computer and print them. Then download the the application form and save it on your computer. Saving or doing "Save As" to your computer is imperative! While it may look OK on your browser, you can not properly print it because it is a web page at this point, not a document page. The first document is in the "rich text" format for Microsoft Word and many other word processing programs. The application form is ".doc" format - this may require some reformatting for your computer. Fill this out and mail it per the instructions.
When your application is approved you will be able to purchase the membership pin either with a clutch back or as a miniature medal. [top]


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Skip to comments.'Leprosy drug in Milosevic's blood'
Posted on 03/12/2006 2:26:21 PM PST by Proctor
'Leprosy drug in Milosevic's blood'
Traces of a drug used to treat leprosy and tuberculosis were found in a blood sample taken in recent months from former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, a news report has said.
The report came hours after Milosevic's legal adviser revealed a letter the late Serb leader wrote on Friday, one day before his body was discovered in prison, alleging that he was being poisoned.
In the report by state broadcaster NOS, a lawyer and commentator for the channel, Heikelina Verrijn Stuart, said she had confirmation that doctors first noticed the medicine in his blood in January.
Stuart said the drugs interfered with other medicine Milosevic was taking for high blood pressure and vascular disease.
"They were counterproductive," said Stuart, a lawyer who has closely followed the proceedings. "What we do know is that this is the cause of death and you can't say that it was really a case of natural death."
Stuart said the tribunal only learned of the presence of the drug in his blood last week, on March 7.
"It's naturally a riddle," she said.
Dutch doctors conducted a post mortem examination on Milosevic's remains on Sunday, but the results were not expected to be released until Monday.
A tribunal spokeswoman said she could not comment on the news report. "We don't have any information. We simply have to wait for the results" of the autopsy report, said Alexandra Milenov.
Doctors found traces of the drug when they were searching for an answer to why Milosevic's medication for high blood pressure was not working, the report said.
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"They were counterproductive," said Stuart, a lawyer who has closely followed the proceedings. "What we do know is that this is the cause of death and you can't say that it was really a case of natural death."
And he dies one day after he writes and mails a letter stating he is being poisoned to the Russians asking for help.
In other words, no need for Clinton to testify as a hostile witness?
A physician friend just confirmed that this class of antibiotics is well-known for fatal interactions with hypertension meds, specifically causing vasoconstriction leading to MI.
So if the report is true, then yes it appears he was poisoned.
Question is what will the world authorities do, what can they do with confirmed knowledge that Milosevic was poisoned?
If they investigate and prosecute the killer, then there may still be a way to trace the scheme back to its source followed by a hope for justice.
What better way to go in his situation? He has successfully taken his verdict of guilt and punishment away from his prosecute and won the final round.
Can't say as I blame him in his position.
Now to figure out who and how he got his poison. I'd say the defense attorney would likely be suspect.
Is that the anti-Slobo pro UN spin now? That the most important prisoner for the international court was able to go past security and poison himself?
A very easy riddle. Wink, wink.
Someone had contact with him in some way. Poison can be carried by an unknowing third party on documents or other items.
As for his attorney, I'm sure he had an adviser or other visitors that could have brought documents etc without notice.
It took two months for word to get to the tribunal from the 'mystified' doctors. And it sounds as if they couldn't figure out where it was coming from? Heh, heh. Slow communication over there.
Even in death, Slobo mocks the international criminal court.
These Serbs are magicians - they can not only hide mass graves but they can sneak medicine in past the UN court security so Slobo can take medicine and die making the UN look bad.
Gad! The Colonel is sure a mean drunk...
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Sound like another McDougal situation.
Sounds like another McDougal situation.
Seriously, I think it was suicide.
according to those who hold that view the Russians used special forces using super duper KGB technology to get them into Syria under our AWACs noses.
The UN murdered him. The defense attorney's that the UN assigned were not pals of Slobo and were not liable to sneak in drugs for him to help him suicide.
What took them so long?
Send in the clowns ... don't bother, they're here.
I have no argument about his death. I merely state that I would have stolen the hangman's moment if I were in this position and figure he somehow did.
The guard of the UN is no match for a dedicated assassin or assistant.
When your enemy is in the process of killing himself, the last thing you want to do is interrupt him.
Slobo died on the eve of Zoran Djindjic's death. I don't believe in coincidences - on such a day any mourning for Slobo would be counteracted by mourning for Djindjic thus lessening the impact of Slobo's death.
Of course you do and so do I.
What's the difference between insisting that a death was accidental, and insisting the death was caused by a specific party, without knowing all the facts?
The medicine in question would cancel out the heart medicine given. No accident. Done with foresight and I think malice.
And a week after his star defense witness commits "suicide?" Something stinks here. Something stinks to high heaven.
Of course it does.
The problem is you don't see a problem. People with that attitude tend to make great camp capos.
Occam's Razor decides the blame for you.
Occams razor:
In its simplest form, Occam's razor states that explanations should never multiply causes without necessity. When two explanations are offered for a phenomenon, the simplest full explanation is preferable. One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.
They say one should only say good of the dead. This SOB is dead. Good
Well, the drugs obviously hadn't "done their magic" so they wanted to give it a little more time. If they had only waited another week or so, no one would ever know.
Think about it. Who profits? Other Serbs, muslims, the US, Russia?
The man had many enemies. I sound like a bad TV detective show, but that's the fact.
One of his enemies saw a profit in shutting him up.
I don't know about that. Seems to me the only war crimes may have been committed AGAINST Slobo, not by him. We were soooo lied to at the time, I Don't know if there is any way to tease out what the truth is now. THe fact that he dies while getting ready to put on his defense, when he'd promised to blow the lid off of some things, leads me to suspect conspiracy and murder, murder most foul.
If that sounds too outlandish, well, I would have found Oil For Food too outlandish to be credible, back when the world was saying WE were starving the Iraqi children.
MEthinks he was about to finger somebody. Somebody big. Somebody couldn't afford to allow him to put on his defense. The Russians have been known to use these sorts of techniques, e.g., they Ricin Umbrella, and the Ukrainian dude that turned purple.
Ain't the Russians this time.
The Ricin Umbrella attack was a Bulgarian operation - which was also the outfit that many blame for the attempt on the Pope's life. It could have been the KGB that showed them how or they came up with the technique on their own.
True, I would think the Russians would have done a much better job.
Anyway a day before he dies Slobo writes a 6 page letter to the Russians that he has been slipped a drug designed to make his heart medicine not work.
He is dead the next day in his cell.
Eyebrows tend do go up reading this...
It doesn't have to be true. Even if it is incontrovertably proven that there was no poisoning, Milosevic will now be a martyr.
Anyone having any exposure to the Balkan mentality will understand why. I have seen arguments going back-and-forth between Serbs, Croats, Albanians, Turks, Greeks, etc. First and foremost is the tribe. And when they don't have members of other tribes to hate, they happily commence hating each other.
The ultimate quagmire.
Who is that person? Thanks
Well in this case it just may have the inkling of truth which will indeed make Slobo (the least deserving of all) martyrs. But if true a martyr none the less.
LOL! By the time this is all over the man will have died of a thousand different things....poison...TB..heart attack...
the MSM....
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