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Live in luxurious leather and impeccable style with the Gwyneth Larissa. This dress boot offers a little extra detail that goes a long way like a side tie and hidden platform.
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I wanted to love this boot
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Let your fashion fly high in the Irregular Choice Flashing Lights. This wedge boot is funky yet fashionable with its hidden platform and wedge and oxford styling.
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Now, she's worthy of taking the lead in a Broadway show....although definitely not Marilyn.
Now, she's worthy of taking the lead in a Broadway show....although definitely not Marilyn.
I wonder how she is going to impact. Or is Derek going to get another bug up his butt and decide we can have a black Marilyn? LOL
Interesting! Inspired, actually. A lady who has accolades for singing and also for acting. She'll certainly add flash to the show.
I'm watching the first season again on hulu... I'm so lame LOL
I'm so bummed that Karen and Dev are over too much soap opera!
Tom's boyfriend Sam was promoted from "recurrring" to "regular" - http://tvline.com/2012/07/06/leslie-odom-jr-smash/
This is also the first time I've read the show being called a "singing soap" and not a "musical drama." Not liking this direction. BLAH.
Looks like Karen will waste no time getting over Dev - http://www.broadway.com/buzz/163179/...-set-of-smash/
I hate that they're taking it into a more soap opera direction... oh well, at least season 1 was enjoyable.
that should be very funny...Sean is a wonderfully comedic actor and that was a very funny sitcom. It is rare to have all four leads so equally talented. I think Smash will be watched if they keep up with the quality of the broadway rehearsal scenes. I enjoyed it- and would like to rewatch sometime, too...


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Whats your top five favorite anime.
Mine are
1)Samurai Champloo
2)Rurouni Kenshin
3)Death Note
4)Cowboy Bebop
5)Full Metal Alchemist
Whats your top five favorite anime.
Mine are
1)Samurai Champloo
2)Rurouni Kenshin
3)Death Note
4)Cowboy Bebop
5)Full Metal Alchemist
1) One Piece
2) Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
3) Code Gayas--I mean Geass
4) Death Note
5) InuYasha
1) Fullmetal Alchemist
2) Code Geass
3) Tengen Toppa Guren Lagann
4) Death Note
5) Soul Eater
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1.Code Geass
2.One Piece
3.Cowboy Bebop
5.Black Lagoon
1. Ouran High School Host Club
2. Fullmetal Panic
3. Gintama
4. Hayate no Gotoku
5. He is my Master
1. Fullmetal Alchemist
2. s-Cry-ed
3. Code Geass
4. Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu
5. Hayate no Gotoku
Awesomeness Like This Cannot Be Learned
I haven't watched a lot of anime because I prefer manga but here is my list.
1) Elfen Lied
2) Samurai Champloo
3) Twelve Kingdoms
4) Genshiken
5) Princess Mononoke
In no particular order....
Code Geass
Gundam 00(Unless season 2 is awful)
Death Note
Cowboy Bebop
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Probably.....That was pretty darn hard...Since i have awesome memories of DB/Z and samurai pizza cats when I was growing up
1.code geass
2.lucky star
4.cowboy bebop
5.Tsubasa reservoir chronicles
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Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson took advantage of a meeting of the Western Arapahoe Republican Forum on April 20 to clarify his stance on gun control, which he feels was misrepresented after he released an open letter on the subject.
"We will not enforce the background check and the high-capacity magazine ban proactively. … But I won't tell you that I am not going to enforce these laws," he told the group, referring to recently passed state laws.
His position that law-enforcement officers don't write the law but swear an oath to uphold it was taken by some to mean he was soft on the Second Amendment.
"Public safety professionals serving in the executive branch do not have the constitutional authority, responsibility and, in most cases, the credentials to determine the constitutionality of any issue," Robinson wrote.
If law-enforcement officers stopped enforcing laws they don't like, it could set a dangerous precedent if juries followed suit, he said.
"Rhetoric can impact the criminal-justice system," he said.
Robinson will address what he feels are problems with the new laws through lobbying and legal means, and he announced April 22 that he will sign on to a lawsuit initiated by a group of sheriffs to get the laws overturned.
He also plans to help write a bill for next year that would clarify the new laws.
"To a degree, I support background checks for private sales," he said, but he believes the new Colorado law goes too far by requiring them for transfers among family members. As far as the ban on high-capacity magazines, he thinks it will be impossible to enforce.
"No one goes to jail unless you get to probable cause," he said.
Robinson addressed what he feels are real problems: mental-health issues, gang violence and street-crime violence.
"I think we're doing something really wrong," he said. "We're not dealing with the issues we can make a difference about."
He adds violent media to the list, as well, saying it desensitizes kids and blunts the consequences of violence.
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Skip to comments.GOP Aims To Slow Federal Bullet Buys
Posted on 04/29/2013 3:35:06 AM PDT by Biggirl
Republicans want to limit the number of bullets federal agencies can purchase so American gun owners can buy more.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Buying lots of X is a sure way to INCREASE the supply of X. Even the gubmint has figured that out.
I wonder why they need so much too, but "taking it off the market so the people can't buy it" is not the reason.
I'll be happy with that. The day I can get 10,000 rds of 22LR for about 3-5 cents around. Or 5,000 rds of 9X19,223/556, 45ACP and 380, 45 COLT, etc.... for way less than a dollar a round.
Next time deals come up on these in bulk, I'm gonna stock it up and stop playing this "find the 22LR game."
Right now, it's working in reverse. The DHS commits to buy how many billions of rounds of 9mm and you can't find 9mm anywhere (although, CTD has a 50 rd box of foreign stuff for $69-it was $79, for example), when and if Walmart gets it and you're lucky enough to be there you get it for $15 per 50 rds.
GOP aims to look just different enough from the other party to keep getting your votes.
One explanation I read of the unusually high number of rounds used by DHS is that they allow boxes of ammo to be carried off by their agents for personal practice on their own time. If the military were to do that all hell would break loose.
In fact, it sounds like a neat little revenue source for agents who would play the system.
It also sounds like a neat little way to be unaccountable and ship large quantities of rounds to "Fast and Furious" type operations.
>> Next time deals come up on these in bulk, Im gonna stock it up and stop playing this find the 22LR game.
I hear you, brother.
I refuse to pay panic prices for ammo.
But, tell you what, once the panic subsides (and I'm confident it will) I *am* planning to slowly, methodically increase my inventory levels on every caliber I shoot by a factor of 10 over what I used to keep on hand.
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Gun shares were trending on Twitter as gun maker Sturm Ruger & Co. (NYSE:RGR) is scheduled to report first-quarter earnings after the bell. Analysts polled by FactSet project earnings of $1.06 a share on sales of $139.3 million, which will be in focus in light of the Newtown school shooting. Shares have gained 8% this year to date but have fallen 3.3% this month.
Fellow gun maker Smith & Wesson Holding Corp. (NASDAQ:SWHC) shares have gained 3.2% in 2013 so far and have also fallen more than 3% in April.
That is why the ammo industry is very slow to react to these events. They have seen quite a few bubbles, and know the down side could kill them.
So the FedGov can, for the medium term, cause a massive hit to the supply of ammo. IF this was meant to be a political tactic, they will do this to limit ammo supplies before a ban.
Notice that is a big IF.
Bullets are those little thingies launched by a firearms that travel through the air until they impact a target or eventually just fall to the ground.
A cartridge consists of a shellcase, primer, propellant powder and a bullets. Multiple cartridges are known as ammunition. The government purchases ammunition.
Bullets are to cartridges as flour is to bread as cement is to concrete, etc. When will they ever learn the terminology?
In terms of the current ammo shortage; it doesn't exist because of government purchases or ammo manufacturers making record quantities. It exists because of excessive purchases by civilian consumers buying far more than they need, for all kinds of absurd reasons.
We have met the enemy - it is us.
Then who will supply the Syrians/Muslim Brotherhood and other "trusted" allies??
100% correct, but you'll never convince this crowd.
I want as much 45 ammo as I can get. I want to see it stockpiled.
So contrary to recent reports denying the stockpiling of ammo...even representatives are concerned.
Can we believe anything at all this regime says?
I was just up at the Bargain Barn here in Jasper Georgia...they had a whole load of about every kind of 45 ACP you can get. Over the last three or four weeks, I've picked up 10-13 boxes of 100 rd Winchester target ball ACP at Walmart, three at a time....
The 45s are coming back, the 22s and 9mms are much scarcer...
Where is the .22 LR ammo? In 300 days, they should have made more than enough ammo for the entire U.S.
Where is the .22 LR ammo going?!
Inquiring minds want to know.
My guess is guys like me. I got caught flat footed on 22LR. Minimal supply. Pretty good and the big stuff and the exotic. Real good, in fact - I have a respectable supply.
I didn't catch the wave of the bulk buyers. The ones that got into every order system on line and choked up their system with backorders of HUGE bulks that they forced the suppliers to stop taking Back Orders. So we (the latelys) are all forced to wait for the B/Os to fill, and compete against the dribs and drabs of smaller bulks that make their way to the dealers. Like I said on another post, the first time I can get an order in for 22LRs in bulk, it will be at least 10,000 rounds. I'm not going through this again.
"...Can we believe anything at all this regime says?...."
Nope. AndyYou'd be a fool if you do.
If their lips are moving, it's lies being spewed out, and it's usually just the opposite of what they're saying.
Thanks for the info...
"Where is the .22 LR ammo going?!"
Into the stockpiles of Americans who are buying it.
Can someone explain why we mostly argue about what is the source of the "shortages"? Is it the federales insatiable buying or is it US, buying all we can get our hands on? And we go on and on this way.
When I want to know what gives, with the federales using our tax dollars as well as money borrowed from China, et al, to stockpile armaments and ammo.
WHY are they doing it?
And in connection with my previous post, I have this thought: How dare we let them get away with doing this without their having to answer to anyone, while at the same time we are fighting an attempt to "background check" us into obliteration of our rights, under cover of law.
We have a great story to tell, and we're not telling it. On the one hand we have the federales wanton buying and stockpiling, with no control or answers, on the other hand we're being attacked with attempts to make US answerable for each little transaction we as individuals make. HUH??
Am I getting through to anyone out there?
The two things should be linked: Hey Manchin, Toomney, Schumer, DIFI, et al, stop the federales from doing this, investigate them for doing it, make them answerable, shut them down, etc etc, and leave us the **** alone.
If what we're doing is Constitutional and as I suspect, what they're doing isn't, then STOP ignoring them and STOP harassing us!!!
We need to hear more about this issue!
DHS ammo purchases were lower in 2012 than in 2011, and lower in 2011 than in 2010.
Ammo shortages are ENTIRELY the result of post-Newtown panic buying, panic buying as a result of news of ammo shortages, panic buying because of idiotic, false articles about huge DHS ammo purchases, and then more panic buying because of news of even larger ammo shortages.
I will of course be flamed for this, but Inhofe and Lucas are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, and this bill is also political pandering to the people who got suckered into the DHS ammo panic.
Expansion in ammunition production is not happening much because of the regulations legislated and enforced by the political/regulator class. The AMMO Act would also have the effect of muzzling the contemporary paradigm of campaigns of hysteria and panic unleashed by spoiled hags running useless offices obese with debt/revenues. Besides, there's no shortage of demand.
I can tell you with absolute industry insider authority that the limiting factor on production is machinery, which is a long lead time investment.
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I should let you know, though, that I really do generally like contemporary U.S. manufacturers (manufacturing on U.S. soil—not only U.S. "based") and hope that they do well (especially you, if you're in it). We should see much more domestic competition, though, in my opinion. Competition is healthy for business and good for the economy (what our great-grandparents in business said: something we no longer hear). Bowing to foreign competition and surrendering, as we have as a nation, is abominable.
If nothing much more than cutting spending, it gives Congress something better to do.
About a year ago, .22LR was going for about 4 cents a round and 45 Colt was going for 75 cents a round (buying factory ammo).
I can now reload 45 Colt for about the same cost as .22LR.
How times have changed.
I was going to buy 2 pounds of powder this weekend. Then, I recalled the story about background checks being discussed in DC. And so I bought 2 more.
Multiple that anecdotal evidence by many millions and you get the situation we currently have.
You can never be too thin or too rich......or have too much ammo.
Actually, it's very unreasonable, since there are more agents/officers now than between 2001 and 2009. If you wish to take away ammo from the Border Patrol, then feel free to push and vote for this BS.
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I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas
chilly but sunny...perfect Fall day!
I love Outdoor Christmas Lights!!
Gone chilly now 7c... we're going to have our first frost tonight..
Merry Christmas to all...
and wet, 7c..
Merry Christmas to all...
Sunny, morning chill.
Merry Snowy Christmas
Love & Peace to the World
Chilly, crisp and sunny. My favorite weather!
I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas
A very chilly but sunny Spring morning .....
Cold,wet and dark
Very rainy, grey and dark outside.
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Sophomore jinx more myth than truth
Jason Gregor
October 04 2008 10:32AM
How many goals can the Oilers realistically score? Last season they scored 220 good enough for 8th in the Western conference, but only 17 behind the second-place Dallas Stars. But more importantly who will score those goals.
All summer and throughout the pre-season, many pundits, fans, bloggers and analysts wondered if Sam Gagner, Andrew Cogliano and Robert Nilsson could avoid the dreaded sophomore jinx.
Last season, Gagner tallied 49 points, while Cogliano and Nilsson had 45 and 41 respectively. So what numbers would be worthy of avoiding the jinx? If you think 50 points is the magic number, then one or possibly two of the kids might be jinxed.
Most would agree that Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky and Erik Cole should all surpass the 50-point plateau. If they do, then it will be very tough for all the kids to get to 50.
In 2007–08, only the Montreal Canadiens had six or more players with 50+ points, but only five of them were forwards. Philly had six guys with 50, but one of them, Vinny Prospal, came over in a trade from Tampa Bay.
Calgary had five scorers with 50+, but only four were forwards. Ottawa had five forwards getting 50, but those four teams were the only ones to have five or more guys get 50+ points.
When you look at those numbers, the odds that the Oilers' top-six forwards will all get 50+ points is slim.
Which leads me to the so-called Sophmore Jinx: Is it really that bad?
I decided to look at the top-50 scorers in the NHL last season to see how many of them were infected early in their careers.
Top 50 Scorers
Alex Oveckin: 81 GP, 52 G, 54 A, 106 PTS 82 GP, 46 G, 46 A, 92 PTS
Evgeni Malkin 78 GP, 33 G, 52 A, 85 PTS 82 GP, 47 G, 59 A, 106 PTS
Jarome Iginla 82 GP, 21 G, 29 A, 50 PTS 70 GP, 13 G, 19 A, 32 PTS *Iginla had a bit of a setback, but rebounded to score 28 in his third year which is the fewest he has scored in a season since.
Pavel Datsyuk 70 GP, 11 G, 24 A, 35 PTS 64 GP, 12 G, 39 A, 51 PTS
Joe Thornton 55 GP, 3 G, 4 A, 7 PTS 81 GP, 16 G, 25 A, 41 PTS
Henrik Zetterberg 79 GP, 22 G, 22 A, 44 PTS 61 GP, 15 G, 28 A, 43 PTS
Vinny Lecavalier 82 GP, 13 G, 15 A, 28 PTS 80 GP, 25 G, 42 A, 67 PTS
Jason Spezza 33 GP, 7 G, 14 A, 21 PTS 78 GP, 22 G, 33 A, 55 PTS
Daniel Alfredsson 82 GP, 26 G, 35 A, 61 PTS 76 GP, 24 G, 47 A, 71 PTS
Ilya Kovalchuk 65 GP, 29 G, 22 A, 51 PTS 81 GP, 38 G, 29 A, 67 PTS
Alex Kovalev 65 GP, 20 G, 18 A, 38 PTS 76 GP, 23 G, 33 A, 56 PTS
Marian Gaborik 71 GP, 18 G, 18 A, 36 PTS 78 GP, 30 G, 37 A, 67 PTS
Mike Ribeiro 43 GP, 8 G, 10 A, 18 PTS 52 GP, 5 G, 12 A, 17 PTS *Ribeiro was up and down between the AHL and NHL for four seasons, so he really doesn't fit, but if you use his first two complete seasons he improves in year two.
Marty St Louis 56 GP, 3 G, 15 A, 18 PTS 78 GP, 18 G, 22 A, 40 PTS
Dany Heatley 82 GP, 26 G, 41 A, 67 PTS 77 GP, 41 G, 48 A, 89 PTS
Eric Staal 81 GP, 11 G, 20 A, 31 PTS 82 GP, 45 G, 55 A, 100 PTS *Staal had a year in the AHL in between his two NHL season due to the lockout.
Ryan Getzlaf 57 GP, 14 G, 25 A, 39 PTS 82 GP, 25 G, 33 A, 58 PTS
Derek Roy 49 GP, 9 G, 10 A, 19 PTS 70 GP, 18 G, 28 A, 46 PTS *Roy had a year in the AHL in between his two NHL season due to the lockout.
Jason Pominville 57 GP, 18 G, 12 A, 30 PTS 82 GP, 34 G, 34 A, 68 PTS
Mats Sundin 80 GP, 23 G, 36 A, 59 PTS 80 GP, 33 G, 43 A, 76 PTS
Shane Doan 74 GP, 7 G, 10 A, 17 PTS 63 GP, 4 G, 8 A, 12 PTS
Marc Savard 70 GP, 9 G, 36 A, 45 PTS 78 GP, 22 G, 31 A, 53 PTS
Anze Kopitar 72 GP, 20 G, 41 A, 61 PTS 82 GP, 32 G, 45 A, 77 PTS
Henrik Sedin 82 GP, 9 G, 20 A, 29 PTS 82 GP, 16 G, 20 A, 36 PTS
Mike Richards 79 GP, 11 G, 23 A, 34 PTS 59 GP, 10 G, 22 A, 32 PTS
Brenden Morrow 64 GP, 14 G, 19 A, 33 PTS 82 GP, 20 G, 24 A, 44 PTS
Daniel Sedin 75 GP, 20 G, 14 A, 34 PTS 79 GP, 9 G, 23 A, 32 PTS
Daniel Briere 64 GP, 8 G, 14 A, 22 PTS 13 GP, 1 G, 1 A, 2 PTS *Briere played most of his next season in the AHL.
JP Dumont 79 GP, 23 G, 28 A, 51 PTS 76 GP, 23 G, 21 A, 44 PTS
Jason Arnott 78 GP, 33 G, 35 A, 68 PTS 42 GP, 15 G, 22 A, 37 PTS *Arnott's second season was the lockout. But he had a higher point-per-game average in the lockout season, so no jinx for him. His third season was even higher.
Sidney Crosby 81 GP, 39 G, 63 A, 102 PTS 79 GP, 36 G, 84 A, 120 PTS
Patrick Kane 82 GP, 21 G, 51 A, 72 PTS *Only season in the NHL, so we will see if he avoids the alleged jinx.
Olli Jokinen 66 GP, 9 G, 12 A, 21 PTS 82 GP, 11 G, 10 A, 21 PTS
Vaclav Prospal 56 GP, 6 G, 19 A, 25 PTS 79 GP, 10 G, 26 A, 36 PTS
Jaromir Jagr 80 GP, 27 G, 30 A, 57 PTS 70 GP, 32 G, 37 A, 69 PTS
Paul Stastny 82 GP, 28 G, 50 A, 78 PTS 66 GP, 24 G, 47 A, 71 PTS
Scott Gomez 82 GP, 19 G, 51 A, 70 PTS 76 GP, 14 G, 49 A, 63 PTS
Ales Hemsky 59 GP, 6 G, 24 A, 30 PTS 71 GP, 12 G, 22 A, 34 PTS
Nicklas Lidstrom 80 GP, 11 G, 49 A, 60 PTS 84 GP, 7 G, 34 A, 41 PTS
Rick Nash 74 GP, 17 G, 22 A, 39 PTS 80 GP, 41 G, 16 A, 57 PTS
Tomas Plekanec 67 GP, 9 G, 20 A, 29 PTS 81 GP, 20 G, 27 A, 47 PTS
Alexander Frolov 69 GP, 21 G, 33 A, 54 PTS 82 GP, 35 G, 36 A, 71 PTS
Marian Hossa 60 GP, 15 G, 15 A, 30 PTS 78 GP, 29 G, 27 A, 56 PTS
Kristian Huselius 79 GP, 23 G, 22 A, 45 PTS 78 GP, 20 G, 23 A, 43 PTS
Brad Boyes 82 GP, 26 G, 43 A, 69 PTS 81 GP, 17 G, 29 A, 46 PTS *The Bruins traded Boyes 60 games into his second season, and last year, in his third season, he scored 43 goals, so they might have acted a bit hastily.
Zach Parise 81 GP, 14 G, 18 A, 32 PTS 82 GP, 31 G, 31 A, 62 PTS
Daymond Langkow 79 GP, 15 G, 13 A, 28 PTS 68 GP, 8 G, 14 A, 22 PTS
Cory Stillman 74 GP, 16 G, 19 A, 35 PTS 58 GP, 6 G, 20 A, 26 PTS *Stillman's PPG average was .47 his first year and .44 the second. He scored .68 in his third.
Paul Kariya 47 GP, 18 G, 21 A, 39 PTS 82 GP, 50 G, 58 A, 108 PTS *Kariya's rookie season was the lockout year, thus, only 47 GP.
After looking at the stats from these scorers, it is interesting to note that the biggest drop-offs came from a future Hall-of-Famer, Nick Lidstrom and one of the best forwards of his era, Jarome Iginla. Lidstrom had a 19-point drop while Iginla dropped 18. It's fair to say both have rebounded nicely. Daniel Briere had a horrible second season that saw him play mainly in the minors, while Brad Boyes had a 23-point drop off, but rebounded to score 43 goals last year.
When you look at those numbers, it's safe to assume that the sophomore jinx is overrated. Yes, it affects a small minority, but the majority of scorers don't seem to have major drop-offs.
The good news for Oilers' fans is that only 17 of those players had a better first year than Sam Gagner, and outside of Thornton, they were all 19 years of age or older.
It looks like it will be harder for all three of the Kids to surpass the 50-point mark, than it will be trying to avoid the alleged sophomore jinx.
Roy hurts wrist
Mathieu Roy's injury woes continue. While many have speculated he suffered a concussion, I've learned that Roy has damaged the tendons in his wrist and will be out ten to 14 days. He hurt them in a fight with Andre Roy on Tuesday.
Mathieu Roy can't get a break. He is a good soldier who has lots of character but not much luck lately. You hope for his sake that some team picks him up on waivers when the Oilers ultimately send him to Springfield.
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October 04 2008, 01:10PM
How did Lidstrom play 84 games?
@Antony: Because the schedule was 84 games for a few years in the mid-90s. Specifically, I think it was the 26-team years (1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97) which had that schedule.
Gregor - Your research doesn't address the question that you raised. Your sample is screwed up because what you've really examined is whether, of players who were good enough that they ultimately ended up in the top 50 in scoring in the 2007-08 season, they suffered from the "sophomore jinx". For this to be a realistic comparison, you have to assume that Gagner, Cogliano and Nilsson will ultimately join this group. I'd be willing to assume that Gagner makes it some day; the other two I'm less certain about.
There are some other problems with this - a lot of those guys probably saw a lot more ice time in their second season than in their first, so they'd need to exceed their production in order to run in place (see: Penner, Dustin and why his season wasn't all that impressive) but the first problem is more significant.
October 06 2008, 10:57AM
Actually you missed the point. They are all on the second line here in Edmonton, why would I compare third line players. Nilsson really shouldn't even be considered for a sophomore jinx since he has been a pro between the AHL and NHL for a few seasons.
Cogliano's first year would put him 23rd amongst those 50 I used. That is a FAIR comparison. The point was when you look at players who score points, the majority don't suffer the jinx. The odd one yes, but that isn't a jinx then.
As for Penner, he scored six fewer goals but had two more points. Yes he played 3 more minutes a game in Edmonton. Is two more points a jinx. I think not.
Cogliano's first year would put him 23rd amongst those 50 I used. That is a FAIR comparison. The point was when you look at players who score points, the majority don't suffer the jinx. The odd one yes, but that isn't a jinx then.
What about all of those guys who score points in their rookie season but who don't go on to end up in the top 50 NHL scorers? My point is that you're assuming that Cogliano and Gagner's comparables are guys who ended up in the top 50 in scoring. So Cogliano's year would put him 23rd. So what. He had three more points than Jordan Staal did in his rookie season and Staal went into the toilet in his sophomore year.
Right now, all you know about Cogliano, Gagner and Nilsson at the NHL level is that they had one good year. By limiting your sample to players who were in the top 50 in NHL scoring last year, you're excluding the guys who had a big year to start and then crapped out. Your data doesn't support your conclusion.
As for Penner, he scored six fewer goals but had two more points. Yes he played 3 more minutes a game in Edmonton. Is two more points a jinx. I think not.
First of all, I don't think that there were any "jinxes" involved. Sometimes guys have years that are better than others. Secondly, whether intentionally or not, you're mixing your metrics - if you want to talk about minutes/game (ie. a rate stat) then compare it to his scoring rates, which dropped big time at ES and went up a bit on the PP.
Penner played 1,094:14 at ES and 305:30 on the PP in 2007-08. He played 904:32 at ES and 239:17 on the PP in 2006-07. So an extra 190 minutes at ES and an extra 65 minutes on the PP. You're pointing to those extra two points and ignoring the fact that he got another 150 at bats. It wasn't a "jinx" but it can hardly be seen as anything but a regression from the results he got the previous year.
October 06 2008, 10:10PM
So you point out one player, Staal, to justify your point? It is easy to find one player to back up any stat. I used the 50 scorers from last year, because they all ranged in different first year totals. When you look at their first years, you wouldn't have guessed that 70% would have become top-50 players. 50 players is a decent pool to show that the JINX is overrated. I did show players like Iginla, Lidstrom, Briere etc who crapped out, that was the point. They are exception rather than the rule.
According to your numbers Penner went from scoring 0.039 point per minute in 2006/2007 to 0.033 in 2007/2008. You call that a major regression? The fact is all Penner might be is a 45-50 point player. That doesn't mean he had a bad second season, it means it is a reflection of the type of player he will be. You can look at most players and they either REGRESS or IMPROVE from season-to-season. It might happen in year three, four, nine or 11. THAT WAS THE POINT. A player can have an off year anytime, not just as a sophomore.
Jim Carey and Andrew Raycroft had horrible sophomore jinxes. Damn that rotten jinx!
I'm pretty sure it's you that's missing the point, Jason. Of the top (say) 25 rookies in any season, some will go on to be outstanding players (perhaps a Top 50 scorer in the league), some will have nice careers, and some will crap out. That will again be the case with the rookies of 2007/08. There is a very good chance that the ones who have lousy sophomore seasons are the ones who, it turns out, weren't that great in the first place. Looking at the jinx concept via Top 50 scorers is backwards for precisely this reason. I thought Tyler made this point fairly well, but he angers people for some reason. :)
If Andrew Cogliano has 2 points thru 20 games this season, the talk will be sophomore slump. But if he has a career like, say, Paul Ranheim, no one will look back 10 years from now and say, "Yep, sophomore slump!" -- they'll look back and say, "Man, too bad he couldn't ever recapture what he had going on in his rookie season."


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by Michelle Breyer on Thursday, June 11th, 2009
Keratin treatments, such as those offered by Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy, were a big focus of Premiere Orlando.
Texture was the focus at Premiere Orlando 2009 — changing a client's natural texture, that is.
Every other booth seemed to offer some new keratin treatment to straighten or loosen curls and kinks. The main curl-oriented booth, DevaConcepts, sat next to a huge Keratin Complex Smoothing Therapy booth, complete with bare-chested models painted silver. Marcia Teixeira, Brazilian Keratin Treatment, NanoKeratin System, Global Keratin, OK Original Keratin, Dream Hair Keratin Therapy, Magik of Keratin, Natura Keratin, BEOX Keratin and X-Treme Keratin Care were among the companies selling products designed to straighten hair without the damage of traditional chemical relaxers. Since gaining popularity over the past two years, keratin treatments have taken the country by storm, with a growing number of hairdressers forgoing thermal reconditioning in favor of this hot import from Brazil.
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Residents of Colorado and Washington voted last month to legalize up to one ounce of marijuana for personal use and allow licensing for cultivation and distribution of the drug, throwing state and federal laws into conflict. Marijuana is a controlled substance under federal law.
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There shouldn't be fighting in prospect games
Cam Charron
September 12 2011 10:52AM
The scene: After a hard-fought prospects game at one of the many preseason tournaments sprouting up across North America, a progressive coach brings a player into his office to discuss the fighting major the player earned the night before in the second period of a 5-1 hockey game.
"Oh, hey, it's good to see you showed up. I wanted to call you in here with regards to that fight that you had last night in our prospects game.
Listen, I don't know who told you that the best way to get noticed during these tournaments is to stand up for either yourself or your teammates, but it isn't. Our scouting staff have spend hours watching you and, while we may not have drafted you this past spring, it by no means indicates that we don't know much about you.
We invited you to this camp so that we could test you out in a few game situations under our control and see how you handle them. One of those isn't fighting, trust me. You don't have to prove anything. We know how hard you work already.
Look, you're a good hockey player. I've seen some of your game tape from junior hockey, and there's a lot of good things that you can do, and trust me, we're looking. We know how hard you've worked to make it this far in hockey, and you definitely don't need to prove it to us. Particularly by doing something as dangerous as fighting; I was nearly sick to my stomach last night watching you scrap and I'm relieved that you and the guy on the other team you fought came out unscatched, but let's not toy with fate.
I don't want to connect the dangers of fighting to some of the tragic deaths we've seen over the past two summers because in all those terrible cases there were outside influences factor in, but that doesn't mean that this organization takes them lightly. Hockey is already a fast, dangerous, violent game that can hurt you in many different ways and we don't want to add to that list on dangerous, violent things in this sport, particularly with something that this organization doesn't feel has a tangible impact on the game.
You may think that you're turning the momentum in the game, but, trust me, we've done a bit of research. For all the examples you can find of a player overcoming an opponent in fisticuffs and motivating his team to score a goal and come back to win the hockey game, we can find just as many examples of times it didn't work.
In the end, while I appreciate that you want to show how hard you've worked, I'd feel a lot better if you showed me in other ways. Win puck battles, create scoring chances, or even do something as simple as set up an offensive zone faceoff—really, our coaching staff and video analysts are looking at all these things when we evaluate our players. We want to see you do things on the ice that we think can help us win the hockey game, and we don't want to see you taking part in a sideshow when we don't know the full effects of the toll fighting can take on a player, particularly one so young as yourself."
September 12 2011, 11:05AM
If you are a Canucklehead prospect, there are better things to do than fight - like learning how to dive and whine properly.
September 12 2011, 11:30AM
Nice Fiction.
Back here in reality, though, hockey has fighting. If there was no fighting the Oilers wouldnt have dressed Cam Abney. What else was he there to do except to fight when called upon?
Come on people.
There is fighting in hockey. Dont like it? Move to another sport.
At some point people need to recognize that they are watching a violent game played by men with the intention of physically dominating their opponent. It isnt the Olympics and it isnt a women's league. Time to ask yourselves if you're still up for watching a game that could leave it's players injured, sometimes with life altering consequences.
It's the same story in football. I hope nobody complaining about fighting in hockey enjoys 1 minute of a football game. Those poor bastards have it worse physically, and that's just playing "within the rules." Knees, shoulders, backs, concussions, those injuries are expected IN PRACTICE, let alone once the whistle blows.
Also on the hit list are, of course, MMA and Boxing. Headers in soccer are also out. TV wrestling is obviously a no-no (but that's not really a "sport").
So while we're so focused on this thing that happens only a few times a game when it's at its rowdiest, can we please take a minute to question the calls to make hockey a kinder and gentler game when we still find these other more violent sports more socially acceptable.
Chess club is down the hall and to the left.
Sorry, but the prospects game is a proper place for fighting. Reasons:
1) It beats fighting with your own team mates in training camp - or perhaps you don't want it there either. I guess we can just see if Cam Abney is ready for NHL fighting when he drops the flippers with SMac or other veteran in pre season ("Oops, I guess not, sorry you got destroyed").
2)You have to practice fighting just like anything else. Here, prospects are fighting prospects of approximately the same age and experience
3)its part of the game. Part of what teams want to find out is how their younger skilled guys (say from Europe) are going to fare in the heavy going. Is our fiesty Finn just going to yap when the gloves are taped on or is he going to still play his game when someone might slug him a few times?
The prospects games are part of the evaluation process for these teams. They are not some kind of all star game.
September 12 2011, 02:24PM
@Cam Charron
So you are what 24? Fresh out of university. I'm happy you landed such a sweet writing gig here at the nation... but I'm not sure you are in any position to come across all wise and all knowing when it comes to the way hockey is and should be played considering its doubtfull you ever have. while you where busy working at your school news paper these kids where training their asses off for a shot at the bigs and if fighting is going to get these kids a six figure contract, who sir are you to tell them that they shouldn't?
simply to point out the hypocrisy in what you are saying, and i quote "who are you to tell them that they shouldn't?"
query: did you not just tell cam charron in that same paragraph that he is in no position to come across all wise and knowing? Yet there you are telling him how he should write.
so you can tell him but he can't form an opinion, and that's all they are *newsflash*, interesting.
you wanna disagree because you have an opinion, cool, but to bash someone because you don't like the way someone else formed their's, not cool.
disagree smarter.
September 12 2011, 10:57AM
They've fought in the leagues they've played in before the tournament, and they'll fight in the leagues they play in after the tournament, so until the NHL bans fighting, why would they not fight in the rookie tournament?
Some of those fights yesterday were of the "C'mon, we gotta show our coach something." variety. No, make it most of them.
On top of which, I wonder how many fights would have happened if this game wasn't televised.
Most of these seem to strive to show that they can fight in the NHL. These tournaments should be about seeing if these guys can play actual hockey. They can fight all year long once they go back to their junior teams.
Yeah, about that. This isn't the NHL. Not even close.
I'd actually like to go even further and see fighting out of Junior entirely. These aren't adults, they're teenagers with developing brains. Plus this would leave heavyweights without a venue to train, and while I love a passionate fight I hate a staged one.
Well, I guess that explains why future enforcers don't fight at every level leading up to the NHL...oh right, they DO fight at every level leading up to the NHL precisely to prove that they can (drumroll please) fight in the NHL.
Regardless, I get the sentiment that they need to show the coach 'something' but some people would prefer that they show that they can play the sport of hockey instead of an ability to get punched in the head.
As far as I'm concerned (and I may be the only one), you don't prove you can fight in the NHL until you fight in the NHL.
Same with playing in general. These are prospects playing other prospects. People are getting far too carried away about these games. Yeah they were wearing the jerseys and the game was on TV, but please.
At the risk of being Captain Obvious, this wasn't the Oilers playing. Everybody knows that, right?
September 12 2011, 11:34AM
@Matt Henderson
How does fighting prevent injuries? Pittsburgh employs Goddard, did prevent Hedman from injuring Crosby?
Let me start by saying that I do not turn my head when there is a good fight going on in the NHL (not a fan of enforcers and goons mind you). I like a good fight when two guys have had enough of each other.
Having said that (and maybe age is catching up with me) I could not stand to watch the kids fight.
I have kids that are getting up in years and I would just not want to see that from them (ok they are both girls but they could take on Semin from the Caps and win that - I am confident of).
I agree with Cam on this and think that if fighting in type of game should be allowed.
We don't let kids vote or drink until they are 18 because as a society we don't feel they are able to make good choices at that age. But we have no problems watching 17 years fight in Jr. hockey games? Some thing is wrong with that line of thinking.
September 12 2011, 12:00PM
@Cam Charron
If fighting had no place in the sport then it wouldnt be there. Just because it cant be quantified doesnt mean it doesnt exist, it just means you havent found a way to measure it.
The benefits of a fight from what I can gather, are largely psychological, so I doubt there is a way for you to quantify that at all.
The fact that it happens at almost every level of the game suggests that it is more than a sideshow. That pro teams look for it by drafting and signing tough guys suggests that it is more than a sideshow. The fact that the most players dont want it gone suggests that it's more than a sideshow.
September 12 2011, 12:04PM
@Matt Henderson
"It's a part of the game. The deaths this summer...blahblahblah...Deal with it."
Really, the one who needs to "deal" with something is you. There is a growing movement among fans (and others in *real* positions of power in the sport) questioning what role fighting has in hockey - whether fighting is, in fact, "part of the game".
Does it change momentum? Does it build team unity? Does it protect against cheap shots? Does it actually impact winning and losing?
And once people start looking into those issue, they will inevitably be left with one conclusion:
"We don't see any reason for allowing fighting, because it contributes nothing to winning a hockey game."
And then all that's left is a sideshow to a hockey game that will be eliminated. Don't know how this process will take, but it is inevitable.
September 12 2011, 12:16PM
"The benefits of a fight from what I can gather, are largely psychological, so I doubt there is a way for you to quantify that at all."
Meanwhile, in the other dressing room...
"Okay, team, we lost the game, but at least we felt really, really good about this..."
You're falling into the classic trap of rationalizing feelings. I imagine that in your fantasy of pro hockey that after each match the loser thinks to himself "Well, it's just a game. No biggie, I wonder if this episode of Big Bang Theory is a rerun."
im all for enforcers, as long as they play at least 5mins every game. My point was it shows character when a player not known for fighting stands up for a mate. If anything managers/coaches encourage players to have eachother backs.
And sometimes "staged fights" don't happen just because two heavies are in the lineup, they happen because of what goes on in the game, from what was said or done earlier in the game
September 12 2011, 12:28PM
People aren't advocating for all fighting to be gone by the way.
And while fighting has a long history in hockey, the talentless goon that only fights is a pretty modern invention. Those players and their fights are the ones that have been put in harsh relief this summer. They're the ones that people want to curb. The heat of the moment ones, for the moment, seem to be welcome.
I think some people really are calling for a ban on fighting. David Staples woke up this morning and started ranting on Twitter. Though I agree that the super heavy is becoming obsolete, and we are seeing that happen in real time. We could speed it up if we reduce the roster to 3 lines and the number of teams to 20-24 also, but no one seems willing to do that either.
If it doesnt need to be there then it wont be. I just take exception to the idea that fighting in hockey is wrong.
September 12 2011, 02:44PM
"opinions may not be shared in regards to fighting by people who have and haven't played. "
on this i agree. everyone see's things through different colored glasses based on experiences.
good journalism to me is part educational and part thought provoking. cam can say what he wants and i will still use my brain to decipher it how i choose.
on a side note: if RNH doesn't make the roster this year i may really really really dislike mr dithers more....arch? arch? you agree right?
Fighting has a place in the game.
There. I said it.
Temper's flare, emotions run wild, and things happen in the heat of the moment.
If Darcy Tucker takes a run at Michael Peca and clips his knee in the process, I have no problem with Arron Asham coming over and scrapping Tucker (loosely based on actual events).
If Jarome Iginla & Vinny Lecavalier, or Ryan Getzlaf & Joe Thornton want to have a scrap over the course of a 7 game series, all the power to them. There is a reason. It serves a purpose.
What I am tired of seeing - and this has changed for me, and I think many others on BOTH sides of the fighting debate can agree - is the super-heavyweights on either team squaring off every 2 or 3 or 4 games. It no longer serves a purpose (if it ever did). The 6"5", 240lb. "knuckle-dragger", or the 6'7", 255lb. "dancing bear" has run its course. The game does not need those guys. Steve MacIntyre may be a great guy off the ice, someone you really want to pull for once talking to him, but he doesn't belong ANYWHERE near the NHL. I think he proved that rather well over the last couple seasons. Yet he got a new contract. Why?
And there's others: Trevor Gillies saw an average of 3:04 of ice time in 39 games (less than 2 hours of total ice time over the course of the season); David Koci saw an average of 4:05 over 35 games; Derek Boogaard & Wade Belak both saw less than 5:00 on average.
These types of players have become extinct in my mind. If a guy can't play say at least 8-10 minutes on average, he probably doesn't belong in the league. If he can barely skate, turns like a battleship, and handles the puck like a grenade, he probably doesn't belong in the league.
This is where I get frustrated. It's not fighting as a whole that should be targeted by the anti-fight crowd. The true target, in my opinion, should be the "goon".
-In 76 games, Kyle Clifford had 7-7-14 and 141 PIMs (18 fights) while averaging 9:30 per game. In his rookie season. To me, he is an effective player.
-In 79 games, Shawn Thornon had 10-10-20 and 122 PIMs while averaging 10:04 per game. He had 14 fights. Effective player.
-Brandon Prust had 13-16-29 and 160 PIMs (18 fights) while averaging 13:48 per game. He played all 82 games. Effective player.
These are but a few examples on either side of the fence.
I am pro-fighting. I am anti-goon. Let's not get confused here - fighting has a place in the game... "dancing bears" do not.
September 12 2011, 06:01PM
@Cam Charron
So you are what 24? Fresh out of university. I'm happy you landed such a sweet writing gig here at the nation... but I'm not sure you are in any position to come across all wise and all knowing when it comes to the way hockey is and should be played considering its doubtfull you ever have. while you where busy working at your school news paper these kids where training their asses off for a shot at the bigs and if fighting is going to get these kids a six figure contract, who sir are you to tell them that they shouldn't?
I'm gonna say you're both in an equal position to determine whether or not fighting will get them a contract. Having played amateur hockey doesn't give anyone insight into how pro organizations are going to make a contract decision.
As another equally qualified party, I agree with Cam. Logically it makes little sense to audition pugilists in a prospect game; I don't think anyone drafts or develops a player in the hopes that one day they'll become a glorified rock-em-sock-em robot. As such, it's probably not going to make a great positive impact in a game like this when you decide to trade blows with another dude.
September 12 2011, 06:31PM
Another ridiculous piece of garbage from Cam Charron, who has quickly become the most irrevant writer in the nation family.
Congrats Cam! It can't have been easy.
September 12 2011, 08:19PM
100% agree. No fighting for prospects!
September 13 2011, 12:30AM
As long as there is fighting in the real games, I think that there should be fighting in prospects' camp.
September 12 2011, 10:53AM
Fighting is what some of these boys are here to do. I agree they should show what they have to offer in other ways aside from that, but their ability to fight could be the only reason they are on their particular team over someone with a similar skill set who cannot fight at the same level. Fighting should not be encouraged, but should never be 'taken out' or regulated in ANY professional hockey game. -> A sad man's opinion.
September 12 2011, 11:10AM
Most of these seem to strive to show that they can fight in the NHL. These tournaments should be about seeing if these guys can play actual hockey. They can fight all year long once they go back to their junior teams.
September 12 2011, 11:22AM
Yeah, about that. This isn't the NHL. Not even close.
Well, I guess that explains why future enforcers don't fight at every level leading up to the NHL...oh right, they DO fight at every level leading up to the NHL precisely to prove that they can (drumroll please) fight in the NHL.
Regardless, I get the sentiment that they need to show the coach 'something' but some people would prefer that they show that they can play the sport of hockey instead of an ability to get punched in the head.
September 12 2011, 11:31AM
Definitely, I wonder what the fights per game in the CHL is?
September 12 2011, 11:32AM
no one is more anti-fighting than me, but it really makes no sense to me to say "well fighting is an acceptable part of a hockey game, but we don't want you to do it in *these* games."
As soon as you start looking for reasons to exclude it from pre-season games, you end up finding reasons why it shouldn't be allowed in *any* games.
September 12 2011, 11:34AM
i absolutley agree with you.
i acutally put my head down and immersed myself in something worth watching, like twitter berating the announcers (and i use that term lightly, announcers).
September 12 2011, 11:45AM
How does fighting prevent injuries? Pittsburgh employs Goddard, did prevent Hedman from injuring Crosby?
Did I say it did? Let me check the record...Nope.
You know what also doesnt prevent injuries? Playing hockey. It turns out that more players get hurt "playing the game" than they do fighting.
It's a part of the game. The deaths this summer have not been linked to fighting, nor should they. Career ending injuries are not higher in fight related accidents than game related injuries. So what's the commotion about? I dont need to ban fighting so I can sleep better because I'm fully aware that I'm watching a violent game. It seems that this fact just dawned on some people and now they dont like it.
Deal with it.
Grr.... per post above - "should not be allowed"
September 12 2011, 11:53AM
I agree with PopsTwitTar in the sense that if you're going to eliminate it, it won't happen until they're really gonna do it across the board. I like the article, it's just like he mentioned, if the NHL ends up banning fighting in rookie games, then shouldn't they just ban it outright in all games?
Tough to say "hey, don't fight at the rookie tourney, even though we expect you to fight in the NHL when you finally make it"
All you keep hear is that these prospects should just play their game. So if fighting is part of their game then let them. Of all the good things you could have wrote about in that game last night you pick this ? Sad
September 12 2011, 12:01PM
@David S
Sure but hockey teams take fights below the NHL level as proxies for guys they'll let have a chance to fight at the NHL level.
I don't see too many fans getting carried away with these games in terms of predicting the future. No one thinks the Oilers will soon win the Cup because their kids spanked the Canucks' kids or that the Leafs are poised for a huge jump because they handled the Hawks and Penguins kids easily.
This is a frustrating article. I have never heard a coach actually talk like this, from all my encounters right through junior hockey they love to see guys that are willing to do what ever it takes to make an impression. I am not saying fighting should be or shouldnt be in hockey or anything like that but if I am sitting on the bench and know that it might be my last shot I am going to let someone know that i want to be here. I think hockey people appriciate the kids that do. I dont think anyone is going to have this conversation unless Hopkins or another elite talent is doing it. For now fighting is here and is part of the game
September 12 2011, 12:02PM
There are other posts on Oilers Nation that discuss the good about last night's game.
September 12 2011, 12:04PM
I heard that they were awful for this game.
September 12 2011, 12:07PM
I heard that they were awful for this game.
i tend to think that is too kind of a word.
i really liked loubardias. sure his voice could be grating but at least he was informed. i learned something and got smarter during a telecast not they other way around.
September 12 2011, 12:08PM
Ok, you let me know when that happens. It surely hasnt happened yet, and, hockey gods willing, never will.
I dont have to deal with something that has always been part of the game and still is just because a vocal minority start feeling bad. You're the one with a problem, not me.
September 12 2011, 12:10PM
@Matt Henderson
How come you hate apostrophes?
Anyway, the injuries you describe in those sports all arise as a part of actions that are actual functional parts of their respective sports. It's not a valid comparison because you don't prevent a team from scoring or win the game or pass the puck by punching an opponent in the face.
Fighting has a ethereal quality that proponents suggest can turn games on a dime. Unfortunately, as you noted, it's pretty hard to quantify whether there is any value at all. What is becoming pretty clear is that punches to the head cause damage which can have an impact on a player's health.
So why not limit it unnecessarily? Personally, I don't want fighting out of hockey completely but do we really need no-mark prospects using it as a way to get attention? I'm sure the Leafs noticed Sam Carrick's goal last night much more than the fight he lost.
i just have a question, worst case a player gets run from behind and is face down on the ice. If i was the coach or GM i would be PO'd if no one stood up for a mate,
why would a coach be mad if a player stood up for another? It shows character especially if that player isn't known for dropping the mitts
September 12 2011, 12:15PM
Ok, you let me know when that happens. It surely hasnt happened yet, and, hockey gods willing, never will.
I dont have to deal with something that has always been part of the game and still is just because a vocal minority start feeling bad. You're the one with a problem, not me.
People aren't advocating for all fighting to be gone by the way.
And while fighting has a long history in hockey, the talentless goon that only fights is a pretty modern invention. Those players and their fights are the ones that have been put in harsh relief this summer. They're the ones that people want to curb. The heat of the moment ones, for the moment, seem to be welcome.
September 12 2011, 12:17PM
That's not really a staged fight though is it?
Although, how would that happen since presumably his team employs an enforcer and that enforcer serves to dissuade the opposition from laying dirty hits?
i don't want fighting out of hockey either, but i believe players that play 2 mins and are there for stricly fighting will soon be out of NHL jobs.
September 12 2011, 12:21PM
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Who could like an apostrophe?
September 12 2011, 12:21PM
Hopefully but as Archaeologuy pointed out teams still hire those guys, coaches still send them out to fight, and guys still pursue that strategy to make the NHL. Their disappearance will be a long time coming.
September 12 2011, 12:23PM
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It's not clear that there is a God in Narutoverse. The highest power seems to be a tree that turns into a one eyed monster. LOL!
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Kishimoto really seems to like to link his own mythology with actual real world mythology which is very interesting. I think its also interesting to note that the Sage's mother, Kaguya has the same name as Princess Kaguya from the Tale off the Bamboo cutter. In the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, Kaguya is from the moon, and the moon plays a very significant role to the story. I think it is also interesting to note that in the story of Kaguya she had 5-princess as suitors and also the Emperor but she rejected them all. Yet obviously Kishimoto is not following that story closely.
It is interesting how Kishimoto now seems to be mixing elements of Japanese legend with western. One thing I find really interesting is that Kishimoto always manages to tie legends into his story but he usually doesn't follow those legends precisely, but still, if we examine those mythologies we can find hints about the story.
I think it is very interesting to note that Yamata-no-Orochi and the Serpent from the bible were both very important to the story. Yet I think it is also interesting to note that we still haven't seen many of the elements from Yamata-no-Orochi's story in Orochimaru's story as of yet. We have seen Orochimaru's Hydra technique, which resembles Yamata-no-Orochi's body but is much less impressive. In the story Yamata-no-Orochi's body is said to span 8 valleys and 8 hills. Its eyes are like winter cherries or bright red, on its body grows moss, cypress, and coniferous trees, and its body is constantly swollen and inflamed. The both the scale and appearance of this creature sound more like a mix between the Juubi and the Hydra. Or at least a Hydra mixed with Hashirama's power. I thought it was also interesting to note that Yamata no Orochi has red eyes (perhaps sharingan). We already know that Danzou learned about using Hashirama's cells to empower many sharingan's from Orochimaru. Another interesting part of the legend is that although Susanoo used the Totsuka Sword to cut off all of Yamata-no-Orochi's heads, the sword broke when he attempted to cut off one of its tails and that is where he found the Kasunagi sword that became one of the 3 great treasures. He offered the great sword to Amaterasu.
I think this story might be a hint about what could happen in Orochimaru's story. As we have already seen Orochimaru took one of the Zetsu bodies, likely giving him Hashirama's cells. Since Orochimaru knows the location of Obito's base, I think that he will go there and steal a lot of Madara and Obito's research and supplies. We already know that Kabuto was able to strengthen Manda with his power, so I suspect that Orochimaru will be able to do something similar. I think Orochimaru's final form will resemble the Yamata-no-Orochi of legend. I think Sasuke will eventually have to fight and kill the Yamata no Orochi and when he does he will discover the Kasunagi Sword but the sword will be stronger than ever before because it was transformed by all of the changes Orochimaru made to his body. The sword will become endowed with Natural energy. Sasuke will then pair the sword with Amaterasu (the sword was offered to Amaterasu in the legend). With the new sword of Kasunagi paired with Amaterasu Sasuke will have a new weapon that will be ideal for fighting against the Juubi and whoever the Juubi's Jinnchuuriki might be. Or something along those lines.
I also think that it is interesting that the Sage beasts have never really been mentioned in any of the legends so far. We have been given explanations for the origins of Chakra, the Bijuu, the Juubi, the Rikudou and many of the known bloodlines but so far there is no explanation at all about where the Sage beasts come from and what their role is in the world besides sitting around waiting to be summoned. I really think that those creatures must have an important role in the story. The Great Toad Sage seemed to possess a great deal of knowledge and I suspect that is true of many of those creatures. So what is there role in all of this? I am also wondering if it is tied to the God Tree's fruit. Madara said that the God Tree creates a fruit every Millennium be he also said he doesn't really understand the story and doesn't know what the fruit was for. Kurama said that the Juubi is the progenitor of the world. Perhaps the Juubi's fruit is actually a source of creation. Perhaps the fruit creates living things, maybe that is why it was so horrible that Kaguya ate the fruit. Perhaps that fruit was meant to create another living thing, perhaps another species or something but by eating the fruit Kaguya destroyed that creation. I think it is interesting that the God Tree seemed totally peaceful until Kaguya ate the fruit but when she ate it the God Tree transformed into a horrible monster.
I don't think the God Tree is evil I think it is a source of creation that was trying to protect creation by transforming into a monster. Its a bit like the Great Forest Spirit in Princess Mononokee. The Great Forest Spirit was a peaceful creature that helped the forest grow and provided balance by giving and taking life. Yet it also became a horrific monster when its head was taken. Obviously the story is a bit different but I think there are some major parallel's. The God Tree became a monster but it was ultimately imprisoned so the cycle of creation was never truly restored it was stopped. I have always felt that the idea of everyone trying to become the Rikudou was a bit odd since a huge part of the story has been the new generation bettering the old, learning from their mistakes. So far the Ōtsutsuki Hagoromo, has been portrayed as the ultimate being. He seemed to been worlds more powerful than any known character and he also seemed to be incredibly wise. Yet, I suspect that ultimately he failed. He imprisoned the Juubi and divided its power among more manageable monsters but he never restored the cycle of creation and never managed to end the cycle of violence that his mother attempted to stop. From what we know the world has always been at war, and even after Hashirama created the village structure, to end the violence it just changed the way that wars were fought. I have always wondered how Naruto would end the cycle of war and I think that restoring the God Tree and restarting the cycle of creation could help that process dramatically.


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FORT DODGE, Iowa (AP) — The Iowa Department of Corrections says an inmate who escaped from a work-release facility in Fort Dodge has been apprehended in Minnesota.
Department spokesman Fred Scaletta says 21-year-old Austin Dean Runnells was taken into custody Sunday in Jackson County in southern Minnesota. Additional information was not released.
The department says Runnells failed to return Friday to the facility from a job-seeking furlough.
Runnells is serving a 10-year sentence for a willful injury causing bodily injury conviction in Webster County. He began serving his sentence in June 2012. He was transferred to the work-release facility in November.