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Dar Labchara
This lovely Dar in the heart of the Fez medina .We invite you to enjoy an elegant 18th-century dar has seven beautiful rooms which are carefully furnitured in a traditional way so that to satisfy our guests taste and make them live the real Moroccan life through the traditional bathrooms and the decorations.dar labchara offers you a haven of peace and a team whose care and attention will make your stay unique.
The traditional courtyard, the zellij tile work and the antiques which have been well-selected will provide you the perfect relaxation after a day full of hustle and bustle or simply enjoy your sitting while sipping delicious mint tea beside the beautiful fountain.
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Breakfast is included from 9.00 am until 11.00 am
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- 24 Hour Reception
- 24 Hour Security
- Air Conditioning
- Airport Transfers
- Free Breakfast
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- Credit Cards Accepted
- Currency Exchange
- Telephone/Fax Facilities
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Toward Blue Gate (Bab Boujloud):
- 25 minutes from Fes-Saiss Airport
- 10 minutes from Train-station
- 5 minutes from Bus-station
The parking: Blue Gate - Bathae - Ain Azniten
and from blue gate (Bab boujloud) to Dar Hafsa is 6 min walking
Located Near
This jewel is just seven minute walk from the main street of the old medina (Bab Boujloud) and a simple left hand turn from the main street.
It is located in a quiet, clean neighborhood.
Those searching for tranquility and peace will find themselves a reasonable distance from hustle and bustle of the shopping.


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Joe Albany wasn't the first seeker to find his true voice in jazz, but he was among the more forthright about what the music meant to him. In the 1980 documentary, Joe Albany: A Jazz Life, he puts it in both spiritual and psychological terms. After describing his Italian-born father's alienation from the Church, Albany says, "I looked for God in church, but I couldn't find him. A lot of people say that jazz is the voice of, the spirit of God, that it's the closest to it… Jazz is the ideal state for any repressed person to express themselves, because they're improvising." Albany hastens to add that man, unlike God, is prey to all manner of temptation, and that artists, "being sensual," are especially so.
Albany certainly bit from the apple, and as a result his career as a pianist was completely overwhelmed by a life of drug addiction, crime, multiple marriages, and prison and hospital sentences. In the liner notes to the posthumous release of a 1966 session, Portrait of a Legend, Albany says, "I was torn between the criminal code and being an artist. From Florida to Chicago to L.A., I got busted on drugs and thrown into one jail and nuthouse after another." But Albany had the good fortune of being granted a second act, and after 25 years of near total obscurity, he re-emerged in the '70s, playing and traveling throughout Europe while living in Holland, Denmark, and England, as well as extended engagements in New York, L.A., and San Francisco.
The Atlantic City native is essentially the sole voice relating his life's story in the documentary, but he sounds humble and reliable, and his recollections of Bird and Pres and Lady Day are appreciative and insightful. Albany came to prominence in the 1940's, holding down the coveted piano chair in bands led by Georgie Auld and Benny Carter, where he was the only white member. He jumped from coast to coast in the forties, working at the Famous Door on 52nd Street with Charlie Parker and tap dancer Baby Laurence, and playing and recording with Lester Young in Los Angeles in 1946. The film shows him with jazz deejay Phil Schaap at WKCR listening to a playback of his solo on "Lester Leaps In." It's a good example of how befitting the title Proto Bopper was on one of Albany's late-career recordings.
Albany says it was especially challenging trying to swing with Parker, "You had to follow him…I could play with Prez because I could feel him, but with Bird a lot of it was in the mind, and he wouldn't let that barrier down." He also knew Billie Holiday, whom he called an "original with a great jazz concept," and recognized as "lonely." He wonders but that if she were alive [in 1979] he'd be able to "communicate with her, because I've reached that state of maturity where I know what counts."
Albany is seen throughout the film at the West End Café in New York, where he is in great form playing the Parker originals "My Little Suede Shoes," "Billie's Bounce," and "Confirmation," as well as "Over the Rainbow," "There Will Never Be Another You," "Lush Life," and "Round Midnight." Chris Berg is the bassist; the rarely seen Lee Abrams is on drums.
Joe Albany…A Jazz Life was produced and directed by Carole Langer. It's now available for viewing through a partnership with YouTube. Albany also figures prominently in his daughter Amy Jo's memoir Low Down: Junk, Jazz and Other Fairy Tales from Childhood. Read a 2003 interview with Amy Jo here. You'll find her candid and compassionate, refreshingly free of resentment toward her father and mother, who left when Amy was six. Here's an excerpt from Low Down:
"I often thought my father was born of music — some wayward melody that took the form of a man. He heard music everywhere, in the squeaking of rusted bedsprings and the buzzing of flies. Dripping faucets were filled with rhythms to him, as was the irregular flashing of the busted neon outside our window. Some shook their heads and thought he was a nut, but I never believed that."
January 24th is Joe Albany's 89th birthday anniversary. He died in 1988. Two years ago it was announced that Jeff Preiss was set to direct a film based on Low Down starring Mark Ruffalo, but the latest news is that Ruffalo's dropped out and John Hawkes will play Albany in a production slated to begin in March.


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Breaking - Flames FInally Offer Sheet O'Reilly
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February 28 2013 03:56PM
According to Darren Dreger on twitter.
We've covered why this is a good idea here.
More as this develops.
February 28 2013, 11:34PM
Why did colorado suddenly give a crap after ROR turned down 2 offers and said that he did not want to play in colorado anymore? I know, I know, I should have anticipated that a clusterf*&k like this might happen. Yeah, we still get a first round pick, proven in juniors, unproven at the pro level, nothing that helps now. Where does Feaster go from here? I think that I would rather take the pain of being kicked in the nuts, then watching this train wreck that never seems to end, but yet, you still watch.
February 28 2013, 11:54PM
On a side note, any new updates on Kipper? Avangard Omsk in tied 2-2 in their series with Sibir, no Ramo yet. MacDonald looked terrible tonight, but the effort train crashed through the forwards, then the defense, then ended up going through MacBackup. Let's get a big lead and then sit back. What was Calgary's final shot total, 23? and 5 in the last 9 minutes, trailing by 1 and two late powerplays??? Consistently Inconsistent is the new motto. Every game matters, yeah right!!
February 28 2013, 11:56PM
What now Feaster, what now!!
@Chris Fairfield
We can all hope someone higher on the totem pole than Feaster realizes this team is going nowhere and gives him the green light to start an accelerated rebuild. We have some decent prospects (emphasis on decent, not much in the way of superstars). Ship out some of these complacent veterans and hope a culture change helps. Bring in some bodies that actually care. For there to be such a consistent lack of effort from a core of players that for the most part has been the same forever leaves a bad taste in my mouth. There is no sense of pride or urgency anymore.
March 01 2013, 01:23AM
Every game where you think that they are turning a corner (just like the phoenix game in Calgary), they lay an egg and revert back to their old ways and old methodology, "We just need to score 1 just 1 and let's lean on Kipper." "No Kipper to lean on, so now what do we do?" Let's try to score more goals and not play a sound, tough, defensive game." Bob Hartley's quote on CalgaryFlames.com post game sounds like even he has had enough and has run out of possible answers or solutions, he is merely a puppet. "I've watched many games from last year. It seems to be the same song. Defensively our reads and our forechecking game, we just stopped playing. It's plain and simple."
What changes will be made now is anybody's guess, it's literally a crap shoot.
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(panting)Sorry I'm late.
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Carter Ashton Interview
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March 04 2012 09:45AM
On February 27th, the Toronto Maple Leafs traded defenceman Keith Aulie to the Tampa Bay Lightning for prospect Carter Ashton. Two days later he made his debut in Toronto with the Toronto Marlies where he picked up a goal and an assist in a 4-2 win. Not a bad start! After the game, Andrey Osadchenko had a chance to speak with Carter about his move to Toronto.
You just played your first game with the Marlies in Toronto. How does it feel like over here?
We've got a great fanbase here. Great hockey market. It's great to play in a city like Toronto.
Did you have a chance to walk around the city and yourself familiar with it?
Not so much yet. I've seen both rinks now. Once I'm settled a little bit more, I'll make sure to see around the city.
They say Toronto is probably the toughest city to play hockey at because of all the pressure that comes from the fans and the media. Do you feel it already?
There's always going to be fans, media and other passionate people. It's all part of it. However, to play at such a hockey market is a privilege. Especially for me, being from Canada. Now that I'm back in Canada, I'm looking forward to it.
Would you say pressure-wise playing in the Leafs organization is similar to what you were up against at the World Juniors where you played for Team Canada?
Yes, absolutely. Before the tournament we played one game at the ACC and then a lot of fans in Buffalo came from Toronto. They are very passionate fans. So, yeah, I definitely can compare the experiences.
How different are the Admirals from the Marlies?
Any organization has some similarities and differences. Obviously, here fans and media attention is a little bit different than in Norfolk. But like I said I'm excited to be a part of it.
Aren't you a little sa d, though, that you're no longer a part of the Lightning organization? Lots of players enjoy warm Florida weather. You can't find it up here.
I enjoyed my time with Tampa organization. I was drafted by them 2 years ago. I was playing my first full season in American Hockey League with them. Getting traded over here is part of business. But I couldn't be more excited about my opportunity here in Toronto.
Do you think you have a better opportunity to get a shot to play in the NHL with Toronto than you had with Tampa?
Either way I'm going to have to prove and earn that opportunity. It's my first week here, I only played a couple of games. I'm just trying to do some little things and fit in as soon as possible and try to make that spot.
What would you say is your goal for this season? Try to called up and play a few games in the NHL, or patiently get more experienced down in the AHL?
Just taking it day-by-day. Marlies have been so successful this season, so I'm just trying to fit in, do little things right and contribute.
Is Marlies' style of play any different from Admirals'?
I think it's a little bit different. Anytime you come to a new team, there are going to be new systems. You're going to have to adjust. I'm playing with all new players. It's going to take some time to adjust and get comfortable in the locker-room. So far it's been a pretty easy transition. All the guys are great and the coaching staff has helped a lot.
Does knowing that the Leafs have wanted to have you for quite some time help you to adjust?
Yes, absolutely. I didn't know that they were pursuing me for that amount of time. Anytime you come to a team that wants you it's exciting. So I couldn't be happier being here with Toronto organization.
Did you want to play for the Leafs growing up?
I was watching them on Hockey Night In Canada. Being from Saskatchewan you always see them on TV. Being part of this organization is pretty surreal.
Norfolk has been very successful this season and so are the Marlies. Do you feel fortunate being a part of such successful teams this season?
Absolutely. Norfolk is having quite a run right now. I was lucky to a part of that and go through some wins and some up-and-downs. Then I was fortunate enough to be traded to another great team. We're in great position going into the play-offs. Like I said I'm just trying to fit as soon as possible.
There seems to be a lot of dynamic going on between you and Joe Colborne. Do you feel that perhaps the timing is just a little bit behind and it'll really come together after some more practices?
Absolutely. It's going to come. We had shifts where we just dominated down low and created some great opportunities. We connected for that one goal there. But we can be better. Obviously, I'm looking forward to spend this time together, get that chemistry going and get more comfortable with each other on the ice.
Dallas Eakins is a kind of coach that likes to communicate with his players. What were his first words to you?
Before the Wednesday game it was a lot of systems. I was just trying to fit in and adapt. He tried to ease me through it.
If you look at Marlies powerplay, there are a lot of chances there. Is that something you find yourself easily fitting in?
It's a privilege to be on a powerplay unit. You always have to perform. We had some good chances. We got the puck to go around well. Couple of breaks didn't go our way. But as I said it's a privilege to be on a powerplay with so many offensively gifted guys.


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Shame on the CBC
Cam Davie
May 25 2012 08:10AM
Is this the type of message that you want the CBC to share with its female audience?
The CBC seems to think this is a really good idea. We beg to differ.
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Yesterday, CBC announced that it will debut a new show during the Stanley Cup Final targetted to women and the female perspective of watching sports. At least, that's the spin they're putting on it.
Something's going wrong at the CBC.
"While The Men Watch" is (this is their words, not mine) "a first of its kind, live sports talk-show for women. An overnight sensation, hailed as Sex in the City meets ESPN, WhileTheMenWatch reaches thousands of women (and some lucky men) every month." On their website, they have articles titled "7 Phrases To Yell Out If You Don't Follow Hockey", "Love Me Like Lundqvist: 5 Sex Games For The Hockey Season" and "Sex on Game Day: Does He Lock it Up or Love You Down?".
These vapid articles sum up everything you need to know about this website. They're not trying to teach new and emerging female sports fans about the game. Instead, they dive straight in and exploit the most tired stereotypes about women and why they would even bother to watch sports at all: men's butts, the cute uniforms, coaches in need of a makeover, and how to treat your man before and after the big game.
To be fair and clear, the CBC did not create the website. They simply created a show for "While The Men Watch" and are broadcasting it during the Stanley Cup. The idea isn't theirs, but the idea to create a show around it sure is. The website and the podcast could have just existed on its own, and these two women would have had their 2000 fans show up to watch. Most of us probably wouldn't have heard about it, and certainly wouldn't have cared about it. Instead, there will be promotions and TV ads and time and money and resources wasted to putting this on Canadian airwaves.
There were a flood of good takes on this issue yesterday from Dustin Parkes, Tim Burke and best of all from Julie Veilleux. Our pal Daniel Wagner chimed in too, and defended the show's concept, while lamenting its ham-fisted execution. We've read and argued about this for a day or two now, so I realize this take is a bit "late" - but I had a strong personal reaction to this controversy and wanted to get into with you in this space.
I hate that our tax dollars are going towards a program like this. I realize that CBC has spent lots of money on stupid programs before, so this is nothing new. At the same time, there is plenty of quality programming on the CBC and has been for decades. The fact is, this is a publicly funded network, and this type of blatant pandering is unbefitting of the sort of public network I would like to support. Imagine if PBS showed a supplementary show to Ken Burns' "Baseball" which showcased a pair of women talking about cute those men looked in their old timey uniforms. Imagine the outcry from the people that donated their money to find that.
But the worst part for me is that my 10 year old hockey playing daughter loves the game for what it is: she plays in a girls league, and she watches games with me. Lots of them, actually. She's going to see these ads and I'll have to explain what it's all about. Sure, this isn't like having the sex talk with my daughter, but I'd really rather not have to explain to her why there's a women's hockey show on the CBC where all they talk about is how hot the players are, and how to sex up their men.
My daughter has been playing hockey for 2 years now and has done really well at learning the rules of the game. So has my wife, who shows much more interest now in hockey than ever before. "While The Men Watch" demeans both of them, and all girls and women who follow hockey, by directly implying that women just don't care about the competitive aspect of the sport - they only care about the cutesy sideshows and nonsense soap operaesque plot lines.
I am proud of my daughter and my wife for having genuine interest in hockey and wanting to learn the sport. If they didn't care about the sport - I'd still be proud of them. Luckily they're both smart enough to see how trivial and frivolous and empty this show is, and they won't pay any more mind to it. Neither will the hundreds of women in my Twitter timeline who know hockey, and know it REALLY well. These same women have, en masse, condemned the very idea of "While The Men Watch." Sure, they're not the demographic this show is going after, but it's telling that serious female hockey fans are offended by this concept - no?
So CBC, why not target serious women hockey fans? Have a show hosted by women who discuss the game, where they explain the game to new female hockey fans, and showcase women's hockey in Canada. Hell, why not have two existing HNIC talents, like Andi Petrillo and Cassie Campbell, host the show. Right there, you have an experienced ex-Olympian and gold medallist, one of the greatest female hockey players of all-time, as well as a talented on-air personality who both obviously understand the game, and can speak the game's language intelligently. Why not have recognizable female hockey players, such as Hayley Wickenheiser, speak to girls and women about playing the game? Why on earth would you debase your female audience by pedalling this schlock? I really want to believe that CBC and Hockey Night in Canada is better than that... but the proof is in the dolled-up, Barbie Doll pudding.
The answer to "why not" is no one would watch it. The answer to "why are they doing this" is... well, I'm not sure, it's a pretty embarrassing concept, but then, having Mike Milbury making an ass of himself on Saturday nights is also embarrassing but simultaneously controversial and people will talk about it. Just as they're talking about this. I bet people check this thing out after all this brouhaha.
NO.. SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU FOR LOOKING AT CANUCKS. YOU like them guys in them hockey things? turn you on? hahaha...stupid
I kind of take issue with all the issue that is being taken with this show (I'd diagram that sentence but I dont think it would help.) As some one who is fortunate enough to have a sister and mother who are big hockey fans, and as a person with a brain, I know that women can be knowledgeable about hockey, and making clearly divided lines between sports fans and women is stupid as often the two are the same thing. my reason for defending the show is that there are some women that this show will apply to. It is a niche market but the market does exist.
Adding a sports show for women who are knowledgeable isnt really necessary. My sister yells at CBC for hating the Canucks as loud as I do. She doesnt need to see Cassie Campbell to relate to the product. (This does bring up the issue of why there aren't more female panelists on regular broadcasts, you know... so everyone can be included.)
I think the only real problem, despite a personal distaste for anyone focusing on anything other than hockey, is that the show has been marketed as a women's guide to hockey, which it isn't. if the show marketed itself towards a niche group of people that wanted to spend time with the people in their lives that love hockey (male or female) but hear a conversation about things that interest them, would their really be anything wrong with it?
May 25 2012, 02:34PM
What is the over/under on it being even more terrible than Arctic Air?
good article but I take issue with the comment that Andi Petrillo is talented. First of all, she doesnt know anything about hockey outside of the Maple Leafs. In her interviews, which are mainly with Leaf players, she does nothing short of flirt with the players,she knows nothing about the western conference and lastly her interactions with PJ Stock are annoying and embarrassing to watch.


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I had this experience and wrote it down last week and am just getting around to typing it up. I was sitting in the shade of the white poplar trees I planted some years ago while eating my lunch of sliced apples and peanut butter with mint from the garden steeped for tea. Despite our drought, the Apache roses were putting out their red and yellow blossoms and on the other side of the yard the frilly double poppies waved in the breeze. The Cinquefoil was dotted with yellow. Other plants and bushes either had bloomed or promised for the future.
Behind me was the house I rent. It's not modern but gives comfortable shelter.
All of a sudden I thought of all the people who have had their homes and gardens destroyed by war, by deliberate bulldozing. I thought of the care and hope that has gone into planting gardens, trees, watching them grow. Some had wonderful very old trees. Then in a few minutes all is destroyed by bombs, by bulldozing.
Tears came to my eyes at these thoughts. What I have planted means a lot to me. I have had trees, etc. destroyed by accident. I know how badly I felt. So I think I know a very little of how these people must feel.
I think of all the comfortable people who could do something to stop that destruction of houses and trees, etc. Yet will they even listen or read what they can do? If they do read, will they do anything?
Yet, if one person does something that is important! It is like a slight correction on the tiller of a boat. That slight movement can prevent an accident.
As I felt the tears, the urge came to write of this experience. The realization seemed to have been given to me to have a way to approach the subject. If it gets, printed, it may encourage some to think and act to end these said activities. Whether or not it does, I will at least have done one of the things I can do to make change happen.


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CONMEBOL WCQ Preview- Round 14
World Cup qualifiers are right at our doorstep and in CONMEBOL there is a great deal of anticipation as a new round in the world's most difficult region has some storylines set up that will surely have most of the continent on edge.
Both Colombia and Ecuador are waiting with baited breath what will end up happening with AS Monaco goalscorer Radamel Falcao García. His injury last weekend set off all alarms- in the Ecuadorian press, especially. As of his arrival to the city of Barranquilla, Falcao was already being discarded although he could be an important option off the bench.
Several in Colombia are also aware that the team is deepest up front. If Falcao is not available, then José Pekerman would go to Porto sharpshooter Jackson Martínez. If that was not the case, the hometown fans could get a tremendous treat as both Teófilo Gutiérrez could be paired up with former Junior teammate Carlos Bacca. Bacca, arguably has shown some great form since arriving at Sevilla from Club Brugge and could be a big difference maker if needed.
Defense is the big question mark though as Cristian Zapata and Mario Yepes are out due to injury that will bring in Cruz Azul defender Luis Amaranto Perea. Fiorentina's Juan Guillermo Cuadrado is also nicked up and he was replaced by Pablo Armero.
For La Tricolor, their rallying has been "Win it For Chucho". For the squad it will be a tremendously emotional match as they play their first significant match without the late Christian Benítez. Ecuador, and former Colombian national team coach, Reinaldo Rueda looks to have an ultra offensive lineup in place for Los Cafeteros as former South American Player of the Year Joffré Guerrón and Club América's Narciso Mina could be the point man in a 4-5-1 attack. On paper, it sounds mighty defensive, but if you start to see that Edison Méndez will be dropping back a touch while Jéfferson Montero and Manchester United's Antonio Valencia could cause some problems for the Colombian backline.
TREND: Colombia have not lost at home in 23 months. Since José Pekerman's arrival they have only lost one. A win would assure Colombia of fifth-place at least in this region the day after the 20th anniversary of the 5-0 win against Argentina at the Estadio Monumental in Núñez. Ecuador have not lost a home match in over four years. Quito has been a very favorable venue for them. They have not lost at the Estadio Atahualpa since October 10, 2009 against Uruguay. The problem for Ecuador is their record on the road. Their last win was back on September 9th, 2009 in La Paz against Bolivia.
COLOMBIA: David Ospina; Cámilo Zuñiga, Carlos Valdés, Amaranto Perea, Pablo Armero; Abel Aguilar, Freddy Guarín, MacNelly Torres, James Rodríguez; Teo Gutiérrez, Jackson Martínez
ECUADOR: Máximo Banguera, Julio César Paredes, Jorge Achilier, Frickson Erazo, Walter Ayoví; Segundo Castillo, Christian Noboa, Edison Méndez, Antonio Valencia, Jefferson Montero; Joffré Guerrón
Referee: Heber Lopes
The Battle for Last Place
Speaking of road ineptitude, another high altitude side that suffers from this is Bolivia. They look to end that 20-year jinx when they lock horns with Paraguay in a battle that will most likely determine who the first team eliminated from World Cup qualifying will be. Bolivian coach Xabier Azkargorta will look to set up an ultra-defensive squad that is poised to at least get a point out of the Paraguaya capital.
This is why Flamengo goalscorer Marcelo Moreno Martins will most likely not start against Paraguay.
Azkargota also left six players in La Paz looking to rest as well as avoiding another yellow card. Currently eight key players would have to face a one-match suspension should they receive another yellow card. Marcelo Moreno Martins (will be replaced by Juan Carlos Arce) as well as Sport Recife's Alejandro Chumacero will not be in the lineup because of this. The risk that is run also is that players like Ronald Raldes could miss that crucial match at home against Ecuador in La Paz.
Meanwhile Paraguayan national team coach Víctor Genes looks very confident to see his team put up a fight until the end for a very faint chance at getting to the World Cup. His discourse was direct in a press conference on Wednesday. "The nucleus is there. It's the teams that played against Germany." Might sound like 100% sure, but he also said in that press conference that he will do some tweaking and the official lineup would not be given out until right before kickoff.
Genes as well as many member of the Paraguayan press know that this is the chance for them to get three points and somewhat stay alive. A negative result can prove the second to last nail in their coffin as they will have to head to play Argentina midweek.
TREND: Bolivia's last win in a non-altitude venue happened back in 1993 when they defeated Venezuela.
PARAGUAY: Justo Villar, Salustiano Candia, Paulo Da Silva, Paul Aguilar, Miguel Samudio; Victor Ayala, Wilson Pittoni, Richard Ortíz, Jonathan Fabbro; Roque Santa Cruz, José Núñez
BOLIVIA: Sergio Galarza; Ronald Raldes, Edward Zenteno, Abraham Cabrera, Edemir Rodríguez, Marvin Bejarano; Walter Veizaga, Pedro Azogue, José Luis Chávez, Rudy Cardozo; Juan Carlos Arce
Referee: Víctor Carrillo
César Farías has always been a big talker and in this match against Chile he was not the exception. Farías talked about how his team was poised to earn the three points in Santiago and continue their road to their first-ever World Cup at the senior level. He also remembers the last time Chile lost to Venezuela in Santiago back on September 4th, 2001. That has been the rallying cry for La Vinotinto as history can repeat itself.
The bad news was that his plans took a major hit when 20 players were affected by a stomach bug after eating contaminated food. The inconvenience put a damper on their preparations, but everything seems back on track. The effects of that contamination will only be seen truly on the pitch in Santiago on Friday.
Defender Oswaldo Vizcarrondo said that the objective was simple. "Keep our goal at zero," said the Lanús defender. "By doing that we know we have quality forwards to make a difference."
Chile in the meantime are looking to find a way to replace the injured Humberto Suazo in the starting lineup. This is virtually the only bit of speculation left on the part of coach Jorge Sampaoli. Many are looking at Grêmio's Eduardo Vargas to replace Suazo over Zaragoza's Angelo Henríquez, but that will also be a game time decision.
The big news out of Chilean camp in the past few hours is the departure of José Rojas, who ended up consuming an illegal glucocorticoid and will not be available until further notice. According to the statement released by his club, Universidad de Chile, he did not take this medication to obtain a "sporting advantage" instead it was for pain and inflammation.
Out of the pitch, there is a great deal of support for La Roja but many are asking for the Chilean national team to be silent when they score their first goal of the match to not be celebrated as the 40th anniversary of the coup d'etat that overthrew Salvador Allende from power.
CHILE: Claudio Bravo; Mauricio Isla, Gary Medel, Marcos González, Eugenio Mena; Marcelo Díaz, Arturo Vidal, Jorge Valdivia; Alexis Sánchez, Eduardo Vargas,Jean Beausejour
VENEZUELA: Daniel Hernández; Roberto Rosales, Oswaldo Vizcarrondo, Alexander González, Gabriel Cichero; Franklin Lucena, Luis Manuel Seijas, Agnel Flores, Juan Arango, César González; José Salomón Rondón.
Referee: Sandro Ricci
In Lima, Peru and Uruguay will face off in what could be the most intense matchup of the round. Both teams find themselves mired in the middle of the table fighting for fourth and fifth place.
Peruvian coach, Uruguayan Sergio Markarían mentioned in an interview on Wednesday that the players "know how extreme the situation is". The Peruvians know that this match could help either end their 31-year World Cup absence. The major change for Peru was the insertion of Josepmir Ballón in place of Juan Vargas in the midfield as he adds a bit more balance.
Meanwile Oscar Washington Tabárez knows that the team's first win in 12 years in the Peruvian capital would help their World Cup pretensions
TREND: Uruguay are looking for their second consecutive road win in WCQs after having gone nearly four years without winning outside of the Estadio Centenario. Eleven players for La Celeste are on yellow card caution.
Peru; Raúl Fernández; Luis Advíncula, Yoshimar Yotún, Christian Ramos, Alberto Rodríguez; Jéfferson Farfán, Josepmir Ballón, Luis Ramírez, Rinaldo Cruzado; Claudio Pizarro, Paolo Guerrero
Uruguay: Fernando Muslera; Maximiliano Pereira, Diego Lugano, Diego Godín, Martín Cáceres; Walter Gargano, Egidio Arévalo Ríos, Cristian Rodríguez; Diego Forlán, Luis Suárez y Edinson Cavani
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Random Thoughts - Baertschi and Brodie
Kent Wilson
April 19 2013 08:49AM
Beyond trying to bring a more evidence-based approach to NHL analysis here, the other primary goal of my writing and criticism is to shed light on the degree to which randomness is infused in the league's results on any given night (or series of nights, that is). Mostly because without constant reminders pretty much anyone can underestimate the influence of luck.
Calgary's season to date, culminating in the rather bizarre victory over the Red Wings, stands as singular exemplar of lady luck's sway over the proceedings. The Flames have had the worst combination of save percentage and shooting percentage in the entire league for most of the year, resulting in their plunge from relevancy and the subsequent sell-off and rebuild. Logically, and if a GM's roster decisions were as rational and weighty as we often assume, the Flames should have fallen off a cliff.
Instead, the club's underlying numbers have remained steady (implications of which we'll investigate later), but the team's aggregate save percentage has actually improved lately. Despite the fact the team needs to lose, is featuring raw rookies throughout the lineup and has the same goaltenders, Calgary's draft position is being threatened because...well, the bounces are evening out for them a bit. Bad timing, but it's not really on the coach, GM or the players. Aside from firing pucks into their own net, the Flames really can't do any more than it has to try to lose, at least in terms of roster decisions.
Stuff happens. Here's hoping the goaltending doesn't continue to rebound for the rest of the season.
Other Thoughts
- TJ Brodie is now the team leader in terms of relative corsi rate, meaning the difference between the team's shot differential with him on and off the ice has actually gone up since the departure of Bouwmeester and the kid's resultant promotion.
In 99% of cases, a sudden move up the rotation for a young player means his possession rates are due to go down, at least in the short term. Tougher circumstances, more ice time is not an easy thing to tackle...especially if your promotion is because the club has sold off former cornerstone veterans.
So Brodie's apparent improvement is something of a paradox, especially because it has happened mid-season. It's also visible on the ice - earlier in the year, Brodie was being beaten wide pretty often, they youngster still not quite used to the sudden speed and strength of NHLers. That doesn't seem to be happening anywhere near as often these days however. If my eyes and memory are accurate (caveat emptor) then we're talking about a significant evolution in his game over a matter of weeks.
I can honestly say I can't remember such a rapid development slope for any Flames yogunster, at least in the post-lock-out era. Dion Phaneuf more or less leapt into the league fully formed, so he began at a pretty high level. His development from that point, however, was fairly glacial - Dion still wasn't a capable all around defender by the time Darryl moved him for magic beans and that was some 6-7 years after he was drafted.
We're talking about a small sample of games here and just over half a typical regular season to boot, so maybe Brodie shows up in October and things go south a bit for him for whatever reason. Still, he has me wondering just what his ceiling really is...
- Speaking of developing, Sven Baertschi looks much more comfortable in his second time up with the team. He has points in three straight games now and was one of the few guys with a positive chance differential against the Wings the other night. Baertschi's underlying numbers were dreadful over his first handful of games, but he's now sitting at a +2/60 relative corsi rate, the best number amongst rookies on the Flames right now.
Sven has a ways to go yet, but there's evidence of improvement and he has certainly looked much more offensively involved in the second tour of duty. If he can finish the season strong, there's no chance he spends any more time on the farm next year.
- All of the kudos out of the way, I feel like the exuberance surrounding some of the kids is getting a little irrational recently. The Flames still have a long way to go in reconstructing the roster and this brief spate of not terrible results doesn't in any way portend guaranteed future success for the likes of Max Reinhart, Ben Hanowski or any of the other hopefuls. Expecting nothing and being pleasantly surprised is a good way to move the goalposts in your mind which can sometimes lead to unrealistic extrapolations. As an Oilers fan on twitter mentioned to me the other night - Flames fans are in their 'Ro-bear Nilsson phase" (paraphrased).
This refers to the early days of the Oilers tear down when Edmonton fans were projecting Robert Nilsson, Sam Gagner and Andrew Cogliano as future stars and saviors of the club.
In truth, we have no idea of any of these guys outside of Backlund and Brodie will ever be regular NHLers and, if they are, just how much of an impact they'll have. There's way more rocks than nuggets when you're panning for gold, unfortunately.
Which isn't to say you shouldn't be excited or encouraged to see things you like in, say, Max Reinhart right now. Just be careful not to expect his foretasted "ceiling" to become considered rapidly approaching or even inevitable. It's probably neither of these things.
- Ive been asked a few times recently how much I think Backs and Brodie will re-sign for this off-season. If the Flames are smart, they'll aim to sign both long-term, perhaps with an eye to buying a few UFA years. Brodie Im certain the team will value to this degree, but who knows with Backlund (although I no longer think they'll look to trade him for beans either).
Of course, both players agents may council them to take shorter deals with an eye to getting paid a few years down the road. As a result, it wouldn't surprise me to see them both settle in the 3 year range, although if I had to hedge my bets, I'd say Backlund signs longer term than Brodie since he and his agent may be less assured of a a big deal down the road (given Backs will probably never be a huge point producer).
That's obviously all speculation though.
- Feaster is busy tying up organizational lose ends these days, signing Ben Hanowski, Reto Berra and Jonh Ramage to entry level deals recently. From what I've seen Hanowski will have to spend some time ripening on the vice in the AHL - although he's big and 22 years old already, his skating needs serious improvement and, of course, there's learning to process the game at a pro level as well. Berra, Im guessing, will get a chance to battle for at least a back-up role in training camp (unless the Flames acquire an establsihed NHLer).
Ramage is a middling prospect in the typical Darryl Sutter mold. He has good genes, was a respected leader in his college days and is known to be a hard worker who will battle tenaciously. He's not very big, however, (6, 205) and doesn't have any offense to speak of - his career high NHLE came this year and settled in at about 16.
I always got the impression the current regime was ambivalent at best when it came to Ramage, so it's somewhat interesting they chose to sign him. He'll be destined for the AHL and will probably be something of a project.
- Finally, the Charlie Simmer Drinking Game goes from inside joke to reality tonight. Myself, Justin and whoever else wants to stop by Tilted Kilt to watch the game tonight can play with $4 pints (only for FN readers). Come in, identify yourself as such (or say you're there for the Charlie Simmer Drinking Game) and make a mess.
The rules will be posted in today's gamethread.
I've been saying for years that the Flames need to start producing NHL talent rather than being mere consumers who pick up most of their players in trades or free-agency. Elite players and high performance/cost players rarely come to consumer teams.
Aside from Backlund and Brodie, there is practically no talent currently cemented in the Flames' roster that has come from the Flames farm system (Despite his recent adventures in making goalies look foolish, I'm not counting Begin as an asset the team can rely on going forward). However, for the first time in ages there are several rookies who have a decent chance of making the team next year. Even if only Baertschi actually makes it, it's a huge shift for the organization to finally have some support from its farm system. It means that not every vacancy must be filled with expensive veterans who are, as often as not, past their prime.
If the Flames continue to draft well we could see rookies making the team every year, perhaps even so many that decent older players need to be traded to make room, netting the team pure profit. That's what it means to be a producer of talent.
Besides a lack in preparation and a few blunders this season by Feaster, the one thing he has done is made the farm system better.
I agree the only way a team stays competitive is drafting and developing players within their own system. Under the past regime they had no clue in either aspect. As well, Feaster, Wiesbrod and the scouting staff have an agenda and plan in place in regards to drafting and developing players.
In regard to rookies, I think part of the teams plan is to stagger them into the lineup. For example, I look at a player like Ben Hanowski who skating may not be at the NHL level, but at the very least the team provided him with the opportunity to see what it takes to play in the big league. Over the summer and come training camp he knows what I will take to make this team next season.
After next season, you could possibly see more infusion of youth with Gaudreau, Agostino,and maybe Seiloff. THe season after that Jankowski is a possibilty.


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The ruling Comunists stole our Christmas!!!! This is outrangeous!! We want you all to know... They want to "celebrate" their Russian Christmas, in January and only to install their tree on the 29th of December, before the New Year's Eve.......... You probably now have a nice warming Christmas atmosphere in your towns, we unfortunately are forced to lack it :(
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Skip to comments.Treating Depression: Is there a placebo effect? (PROZAC, OTHER SSRIs VIRTUALLY WORTHLESS)
Posted on 02/19/2012 6:07:06 PM PST by MindBender26
(CBS News) Do antidepressants work? Since the introduction of Prozac in the 1980s, prescriptions for antidepressants have soared 400 percent, with 17 million Americans currently taking some form of the drug. But how much good is the medication itself doing? "The difference between the effect of a placebo and the effect of an antidepressant is minimal for most people," says Harvard scientist Irving Kirsch. Will Kirsch's research, and the work of others, change the $11.3 billion antidepressant industry? Lesley Stahl investigates.
Highlights: Prozac, Welbutrin, other SSRIs, virtually worthless.
Better than placebos in only 14% patients
No effect in the mildly or moderately depressed
Somewhat effective in small minority of the severely depressed
Company and FDA knew there are dozens of studies that show SSRIs have major negative side effects and little or no positive effects, but ignored those studies in approving drug. All they were two positive outcome studies, and they ignored the rest.
Billions being wasted on these drugs.
Now basically banned in UK
15 minute/day on treadmill much better.
It's all a placebo effect for vast majority of patients.... and huge $ for doctors and big pharma.
The purpose of medicine is to give the government an excuse to steal from income-earners, and to generate cash flow to drug companies.
I wouldn't dispute the value of exercise and other methods to treat depression. However, prozac is used to treat a spectrum of conditions, including anxiety and obsessive compulsive disorder symptoms, and it seems to have helped folks I am familiar with. To a person who really is suffering from debilitating anxiety, etc., it seems to make quite a difference.
Also agree many medications are over prescribed, but that doesn't mean these medicines are worthless. They seem to be talking about the average person who can benefit from a jog as much as medication. Not everyone falls in that category.
>> "The purpose of medicine is no longer to heal.
The purpose of medicine is to give the government an excuse to steal from income-earners, and to generate cash flow to drug companies.
Period." <<
They did not work for me; I felt worse because I am Bipolar and those of us who are need a mood-stabilizer as well. An anti-depressant alone can actually make it worse.
As far as others are concerned,it might make them feel better. I don't know.
Sure sure, just walk off that BPD. It's all placebo effect.
Thank you for that advice Doctor. I'll throw away my pills and come over to your house so you can deal with me in one of my manic cycles.
One size does not fit all.
Obamacare is not going to treat mild depression. That is all this report is about.
Those drugs are going no where. They are way too valuable in treating other disorders.
Actually I think Welburtin is fairly effective for folks trying to quit smoking. Not sure how effective it is for depression.
Agree on the Prozac. With BPD you are taking Pixie Sticks
"Better than placebos in only 14% patients"
So, screw that 14%? How many will off themselves?
Can you say death panels?
But they work better than placebos in only 14% of cases. In other words, 86% got better because they thought pills were working!
86% percent got better on sugar pills!
Maybe the 14% can go live with the death panelists who say it is all placebo
It's all in your head!! LOL!!
Something doesn't add up. My wife has taken Prozac many years. It was a miracle what it did for her. It's not a placebo, because there was a period a couple of years ago, when she accidentally quit taking it, and was taking another medicine, not knowing she had quit the Prozac. All her original symptoms came back. It was obvious enough that we did a check to see what was up, and discovered the mixup.
I'm trained as a chemist, and have to pay attention to hard data like presented on Stahl's program. But something isn't right.
Drinking a depressant (alcohol) when a person is depressed only makes it worse. Far worse. As a recovering alkie, I have years of experience in doing just that.
Citalopram has worked incredibly well for me.
Here's something to consider when you think your life has gotten to the point of depressing you to need a doctors prescription....mental health concerns WILL prevent you from owning firearms.
That would depress the hell out of me. No documented mental health concerns = much happier than I thought!
Of course, some of you might need medication,and should not be anywhere near a firearm if that were the case...
Pixie Sticks? I'm not sure what that means...
You're Bipolar,too? Aren't mood swings swell?
We do need our meds. No two ways about it.
It worked for me but I lost almost 20 pounds due to vomiting and appetite loss.
This is what I said...
"Obamacare is not going to treat mild depression. That is all this report is about.
Those drugs are going no where. They are way too valuable in treating other disorders."
This is what you responded...
"Sorry all, but in 86% of cases, those on sugar pills got just as well on those on SSRIs.
Yes, your friend or you got well, but it wasn't the pill! "
In a really big and obnoxious font.
First of all, it wasn't me nor a "friend". I spent a good amount of my life as an Office Manager for the Head Psychiatrist of a large hospital. Our practice had two doctors and three therapists. I saw many people treated for disorders other than depression who did marvelously some of these meds.
Second, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI, Secondary Serotonin Reuptake inhibitor. It is a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor. They work on different chemicals in the brain and are not the same thing.
Soooooo, this report by C-BS is BS. If YOU want to do a happy dance about it, fine. Personally, I take everything that C-BS puts out with a grain of salt and anything about health, all I can say is "watch the other hand".
I'm on Cymbalta ane Lamictal. Together they work really well.
Well, that settles it. I'm eating Dark Chocolate four times per day from now on. LOL!
"The purpose of medicine is no longer to heal.
The purpose of medicine is to generate cash flow to drug companies.."
And most of the science in use today underlying the selling of these blockbuster drugs is yanked out of the ear of:
Exercise has been shown to be more effctive than SSRIs in a number of depression studies.
I suffered from clinical depression for years. I took Prozac for some few years. It didn't turn me into a soul-less zombie. It worked. I no longer suffer from depression and my doctor stop prescribing Prozac about ten years ago.
I have also seen several of these drugs help people with anxiety to the point that they take a non-functioning person and make him/her productive. Their lives are greatly improved. The assertion that execise could replace these drugs is naive and simplistic for people who do actually suffer from a valid medical condition.
60 Minutes?
SeeBS for 60 minutes.
I have no idea whether SSRIs work or not, but I do know that if 60 Minutes reports it, it's almost certainly false or so politically slanted as to be worthless reporting. If 60 Minutes says it's bad, then I'd bet dollars to doughnuts it's not.
Hard work for that which you respect will in itself bring respect upon yourself which demands hard work.
Thank you.
I pretty much agree with every word in your post.
They are not entirely worthless. Prozac, for one example, has driven a few people to suicide, singer Del Shannon among them, thus permanently curing their depression.
What's worthless is the modern diagnosis of depression as a disturbance in the chemicals of the brain. Well, I tell ya something, by that kinda view, everything you humans do is a disturbance of the chemicals in the brain. Say, on the spur of the moment you decide to buy a trashy magazine while waiting at a supermarket checkout line. You didn't plan it, you don't need it, you cannot afford it, what happened? The chemicals in the brain conspired to tell you to do it. I don't need to go on, do I?
Life is the cause of depression. Fix my fracking problems (PLEEZE!), and I'll be miraculously cured of depression.
Secondly, i do not doubt the the TOTALITY of he treatment offered by your physicians helped many patients, but the study from Harvard and many from the UK clearly demonstrate that the chemical agents worked only to a very limited amount.
In 86% of the cases, pts on placebos got as well, as quickly, as did those on Prozac.
In addition, in approving Prozac, et.al., FDA ignored multiple studies that showed them to have virtually no effect, and only considered two studies that showed positive results.
Seriously, read the Harvard study. It's not about a claim that pts did not get well, it's about why they got well.
Prozac is a $4 /month generic at WalMart; so are most of the SSRI's. They are not making anybody a lot of money. Interesting that Kirsch doesn't mention the anti-psychotics. They are also over-prescribed , mostly in the primary care setting. Now, a lot of them are $500/month drugs, though sliding toward generic status quickly. I guess Kirsch knows that people really needing anti-psychotics should in no way be encouraged to go off of them. Yet, the same drug companies using similar clinical trial strategies, bring anti-psychotics to market. Does Kirsch think that's all "placebo effect" as well? Can you exercise your way out of schizophrenia as well?
For example lets take anxiety disorders. Most mental health specialist assumes the SSRI protocol or antidepressant protocol is the answer. True but only if it is an actual chemical issue. Just as common for triggering anxiety is Vestibular {meaning Inner Ear, hearing and the Cerebellar portion related too it} issues doctors often miss. Give them antidepressants and you may see a real horrid adverse reaction basically like giving them LSD.
This isn't junk science it was discovered back in the 1970's but only considered seriously in the past decade or so maybe a little longer.
For these patients another medication route must be taken that most Psychiatrist say so no too especially long term. I'm talking about Benzo's. I am one of those patients myself diagnosed 17 years ago with General Anxiety Disorder. No antidepressants would help and actually made it far worse. Xanax helped but only part time.
About a year into it I found an excellent book called Phobia Free by Harold Levinson who linked anxiety and forms of ADD ADHD and even dyslexic symptoms to vestibular disorders. My medical history matched Vestibular origin. It was at that point I had to get firm with the doctors treating me who insisted antidepressants were to be used. Finally I just walked out and found a doctor who had seen it and he understood how too properly prescribe Xanax too where it worked and continued to work even now.
My initial dosage was 2mg twice a day. Wrong dosage wrong strength. New doctor went to .5 or half mg 4 times a day. RELIEF! It worked most the time.
It is Non Phobic Anxiety. IOW no phobia or even a sense of dread. But rather an intolerance to certain auditory and visuals stimulation that I now know from my own research gives me Myoclonic Seizures in the upper Torso.
For what it's worth my wife is a Vestibular patient due to quadriplegia. Antidepressants will put her into Serotonin Syndrome. This is not something you ever want too see or experience. Six doctors missed it and kept calling for more Zoloft.
I looked up her medication Trazadone +Zoloft +adverse reaction and found it in a few minutes after about 5 days into it. I showed the into too the doctors and was told "that's rubbish" exact words used.
Antidepressants are great for those who need them. But some caution needs to be given and patients and their family warned of the potential for this.
When I was young, a doctor put me on one of those medicines. If anything, they seemed to make me 'worse'. While taking it, I seriously contemplated suicide for no good reason. I stopped taking it, and felt MUCH better. It was like a dark cloud lifted away.
I'd advise someone feeling 'bad'(as long as it isn't too often) to simply pick up a bottle of spirits for after work, rather than taking that garbage.
With that said, I've been on several prescription antidepressants over the years. *What follows is not medical advice*: what I have found works for me as well or better than any prescription antidepressant is a daily supplement of 5-HTP (do an internet search of it) plus vitamins B & D.
Having dealt with these meds the majority of this existence, I've never thought of a 'placebo' effect. What ususally happens is once the proper dosage is figured out (which seems to take FOREVER), the theraputic effect lasts about a year and a half, when I guess tolerance builds up or something, and then you have to start that excruciating process all over again.
I'm currently not on any meds, I can recognise the symptoms when they occur and just deal with them. I don't recommend that approach for everyone.
It turns out that semen from no-condom sex has a pronounced anti-depressant effect on women.
Now no drug company is going to study this, and conservatives will go into fits wondering about what unmarried women should do, but the data is from a very reputable source, and has been reproduced many times. Just Google the terms "semen depression" and see how many hits you get.
No word on what men should do, but I suspect that helping to prevent depression in women is going to have an effect.
It's more likely to do with the fact the person actually had depression, anxiety, etc as a symptom of a missed ailment that after a few month cleared itself up. meaning ailment {could even be an infection} clears up and depression does.
Don't get me wrong there are those with long term depression and the meds do work well for them. But I think a lot is simply being missed these days in initial exams.
The only approved treatment by this administration is a monthly governtment check
I tried it and ended up on day 3 with severe nausea and dizziness. I could not walk, lie down or even close my eyes for a moment without wanting to vomit. I called the doc, the RN told me I had an inner ear infection (I know the difference). I simply stopped the drug and was fine in about 8 hours.
Never again.
"Actually I think Welburtin is fairly effective for folks trying to quit smoking. Not sure how effective it is for depression."
It is also good for A.D.D. and weight management.
I like Wellbutrin and it is covered on my plan. Doc put me on Aplenzen and when I went t pick up the prescription, it was over 500 bucks.
You were very lucky she and the doctor were on top of it. Read post 20. Yea I took Wellbutrin once also. Never again. Paxil never again either. Paxil resulted in having to have a folley for two weeks. The things they don't warn you about LOL.
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Munster made inroads into Ulster's lead at the top of the PR012 table after claiming a convincing 24-10 win over the Ulstermen at Thomond Park on Saturday.
Given the plethora of changes, this was always likely to be a difficult game for Ulster.
Considering the fact that the national management had conscripted several key players for a pre-Six Nations training camp, Ulster's decision to rest some personnel appeared a high-risk strategy. Thomond Park is always an arduous destination in any case; the Ulstermen having a fairly dismal record at the venue.
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Munster continued to dominate in the physicality stakes, but Ulster manfully withstood the opening storm, and responded with some territorial pressure of their own.
Niall O'Connor kept the league leaders pinned in the Munster 22, as the visitors laid siege to the home try line. Ulster were rewarded with a penalty for their efforts on 13 minutes, but O'Connor was off kilter with his kick. The Ulster fly-half did open the visitors' account on 22 minutes, however, to equalise the scoreline at 3-3.
By this stage, the conditions were deteriorating at a rapid rate as the rain came bucketing down in Limerick. Consequently the game became rather error-strewn, with the ball being reduced to the proverbial bar of soap. All things considered, Ulster were coping with the conditions and the changes in personnel remarkably well.
However a fifteen-minute period either side of half-time was to turn the match on its head. The change in fortunes began when Ulster scrum-half Paul Marshall was sin-binned for a reckless boot aimed at Donncha O'Callaghan. Sensing their opportunity, the home pack started to turn the screw.
The resultant penalty saw Munster camped in Ulster's 22. After several infringements, the home team opted for a succession of scrums. Botha exerted massive pressure on Callum Black, and referee Rolland awarded the inevitable penalty try. Keatley added the conversion to make it 10-3 to Munster.
The second half commenced in similar fashion, with 14-man Ulster under the cosh. Zebo extended the advantage on 44 minutes, after a gaping hole emerged in Ulster's midfield defence. When O'Mahony crashed over on 50 minutes, a rout seemed on the cards as the hosts pushed for the bonus point.
In the corresponding fixture in May, Ulster had capitulated and the league leaders would surely have feared a similar outcome. But Mark Anscombe's men are made of considerably sterner stuff. A raft of substitutions galvanised the visitors, infusing them with fresh blood.
Suddenly, it was Munster who were on the back foot. Ulster seemed to have re-discovered their attacking mojo, and made several inroads into Munster territory. Indeed the Munster management felt compelled to introduce old heads, Ronan O'Gara and Peter Stringer to steady the ship.
Ulster's granite like defence held firm at the other end to deny Munster a much-needed bonus point. Fittingly, it was Ulster who had the final say. Some neat handling saw Ali Birch touch down for a well-deserved consolation.
The impressive Olding converted to make it 24-10. Munster had secured a thoroughly deserved victory. Given the changes that had been imposed on his team, Anscombe will be more than happy with his charges' performance.
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Pen: Keatley
Cons: Keatley 2
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Replacements: 16 Mike Sherry, 17 Marcus Horan, 18 Stephen Archer, 19 Dave O'Callaghan, 20 James Coughlan, 21 Peter Stringer, 22 Ronan O'Gara, 23 Felix Jones.
Ulster: 15 Adam D'Arcy, 14 Chris Cochrane, 13 Michael Allen, 12 Luke Marshall, 11 Craig Gilroy, 10 Niall O'Connor, 9 Paul Marshall, 8 Roger Wilson , 7 Mike McCormish, 6 Robbie Diack, 5 Neil McComb, 4 Louis Stevenson, 3 Adam Macklin, 2 Rob Herring, 1 Callum Black.
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Barnes & Noble CEO William Lynch has resigned. His resignation is effective immediately. Michael Huseby will now be the CEO of NOOK Media and president of Barnes & Noble. Allen Lindstrom has been promoted and will serve as the company's new CFO.
The news isn't a huge surprise.
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In May, Barnes & Noble made a quiet admission that its Nook tablets weren't selling as well as it had hoped when it added Google's Play store for apps and other content. That means users are no longer incetivized to purchase digital content like books and movies from Barnes & Noble. It also means Nook owners were likely frustrated by Barnes & Noble's dim app selection for the tablet.
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He booked it on outta there???
Why doesnt he just blame his political enemies? You mean to tell me that in the private sector people are responsible for their mistakes?
Maybe they should launch a family-values campaign, since Amazon (Kindle) their direct competitor has Pro-Homosexual agenda ads on TV now.
Time and chance happeneth to them all.
Truer words were never written.
I hope they lose their ass. Nowhere do you see more "O" stickers than at a B&N.
At one time I shopped at B & N but then they started putting all conservative writers books in some obscure corner, or in fiction and it seemed to be a nationally accepted practice by the company.
So now all on line
I can't play their ebooks on my Kindle Fire, so I buy from Amazon instead. This is like the VHS-Beta wars of the 80's.
Too bad because the Nook HD+ is really a great product. Beautiful high resolution screen. I also have the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 which is also nice but I like the Nook HD+ better even though it was about 40% of the price of the Note. I'm considering putting the Note up on Ebay.
They led the way with the Nook, but they didn't keep up. Both of my Nooks have had issues with the e-ink screen getting small places that quit working. Their website search engine and book recommendations compared to Amazon's is terrible. I recently gave up on them and my Nook device, and downloaded the Kindle app to my iPad.
Amazon nearly lost the whole enchilada, though, when they deleted a book from their customers' Kindles without asking. It was apparently a legitimate rights issue, but they handled it like ham-handed amateurs. It was, ironically, Orwell's 1984. They've sworn it will never happen again, but it serves to remind us that it isn't a good idea to place your entire library in the hands of people who can delete it, or be forced to delete it, at the touch of a key.
I use Calibre which lets me convert just about any ebook format to mobi (Kindle format) and its free!
I've had my Nook for quite a while, and I love it! I also like the Barnes and Noble Store here in my town, and have seen no evidence of some of the complaints listed in this thread.
I do live in a very conservative community, however, and that might be the difference.
This is scary. Print no more books, then electronically zap the ones people downloaded. Instant Dark Ages.
But the prints on the screen are not written in cursive are they?
Don't judge him by his cover. He probably just thought it was time to turn a new page in his career.
Mind you, I love my Kindle, and my relations with Amazon customer support have been uniformly excellent. But they hold the keys - that's what you agree to when you read their terms of service. So anything I really care about, I have a dead-tree version.
I think that is bull. I have never had trouble finding conservative authors from B&N.
I have been to B&Ns in liberal districts and cities. Never had trouble finding any book.
I've never had any problems in my local B&N. Even in the weeks following Sandy Hook, they never hid any of the gun or hunting magazines. The were where they always were in the past.
What I have seen is conservative directed authors/book which are hidden behind leftist books. Mostly kiddie BS.
I think it's awful that brick and mortar books stores and hard copy book industry is suffering.
B&N attracts libs, so what? I never have trouble finding what I need in there and they are always helpful in ordering.
AND they can orwellian alter books for the PC moment de jour.
I think it's awful that brick and mortar books stores and hard copy book industry is suffering.
B&N attracts libs, so what? I never have trouble finding what I need in there and they are always helpful in ordering.
In my neighborhood it attracts homeless people and deadbeat students, not people buying books, so stores tend to get shuttered.
Spineless ....
NOT a Bookmark!
If you don't want them to get at the machine, turn off Wi-Fi. They could still reach you if they tried hard enough but they most likely won't.
People go to brick and mortar stores to browse, then go online to buy. Really, you'd have to be crazy not to, though I do make the occasional "guilt" purchase.
These days, having a physical footprint isn't a winning business model—especially if it just provides a showroom for competing online vendors.
And one more thing - I believe if you use that method the files you've downloaded will only work on your specific Kindle.
To me I have to way shipping cost along with the actual price.
My blood runs cold, my division was just sold,
My CEO is a centerfold
If I buy a book at a brick-and-mortar store, I walk out with my book, just the one item if I want only that, without feeling compelled to buy enough other items to qualify for free shipping.
I collect old school books....algebra, English, etc...and other "important" books....some day, when the EMP hits...I'll be the RICHEST person in the world. /s Sorta
I've saved a lot of old history books. "Old history" needs to be maintained by as many of us as can!
Yes. You can get almost any books on Amazon. If not, go to www.bookfinder.com. ;)
It's much easier to get about any ebook through B&N than print books.
Well, there are a couple of stores in (more prosperous) neighboring cities which are still open — and as long as it is within my power, I will patronize them (that is, buy something) to help them remain open. The two stores that closed were too close to a nearby university town and so attracted the wrong crowd.
I love used books, with the dust wrapper and the original price. There is something about an actual book.
Me, too! I have some very old books. My dad gave me a bunch that were his great aunt's. From there, I scoured old book stores—before eBay. I found some treasures. Now, it's rare to find a rare book that I can afford, but history books are still available. In CA, schools dumped so many about 10 years ago.
I buy my used books on abebooks.
I get some from there, too. They're linked through bookfinders.com.
It's also the best place I know of to find out what a book's currently worth. It's fun to check out "the going rate" or "rarity" of something I have.
If anyone knows of a better place, I'd love to know about it. Books are dear to my heart...and my nose! ;)
I thought this was about bookstores but this is about digital media downloads and a big box store that sells overpriced coffee and fluffy toys.
The old history has been changed to reflect political correctness and Socialist revisionist history.
Who needs to ban books when you can just expunge them from the taxpayer funded libraries?
The old history has been changed to reflect political correctness and Socialist revisionist history.
Who needs to ban books when you can just expunge them from the taxpayer funded libraries?
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Susanna Schrobsdorff was named Executive Editor of Newsweek Education and Director of Enterprise Projects in January of 2010. She heads the development of a special section of Newsweek.com dedicated to higher education and college selection. She also works with Newsweek magazine's business development team to identify and execute new opportunities beyond Newsweek's core businesses.
Susanna returned to Newsweek after spending much of 2009 as Executive Editor at NBC-Universal, executing a top-to-bottom overhaul of the iVillage digital women's network. Prior to iVillage, Susanna was a senior articles editor for Newsweek.com's coverage of health, parenting and lifestyle. In that role, she created numerous multimedia packages, including the "Diva Generation" about the sharp rise in tween spending on beauty products, and a look at the health care deficit in rural America. She also developed the popular health blog, "The Human Condition" with Kate Dailey.
Susanna joined Newsweek in 2005 as the web site's business editor and produced award-winning coverage of the personal debt crisis before moving her focus to health. In addition to editing, Susanna has also written frequently about women's issues and parenting. In 2006, she won a Newswomen's Club Front Page award for her commentary about the vitriolic reaction to a Dove ad campaign.
Prior to joining Newsweek, Susanna spent eight years as a stay-at-home parent to her two daughters while freelancing for Time Magazine and volunteering as a writing workshop leader for teen girls at risk for gang involvement in Brooklyn. She began her career in 1984 as an intern for Time Magazine where she eventually became a News desk editor in New York, Paris and Brussels. During her 14-year tenure there, she reported on everything from French cooking to global prostitution. She also managed the logistics for Time's coverage of seven Olympic games and six national political conventions.
Susanna graduated from Barnard College at Columbia University with a B.A. in English. She lives in Brooklyn with her two daughters.


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