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Skip to comments.Obama seeks "fuller understanding" of what happened in Algeria siege
Posted on 01/19/2013 7:20:18 PM PST by ImNotLying
President Barack Obama offered on Saturday to provide any assistance the Algerian government needs after a deadly hostage siege at a desert gas plant and said the United States was seeking a "fuller understanding" from Algerian authorities of what took place there.
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In Mali I forgot to add.
Here it is in a nutshell Mr President,
Your lack of courage cost people their lives.
Well......he probably armed them.
TRANSLATION: This was "workplace violence." Nothing more.
Sounds to me like the Algerians didn't trust us after helping to overthrow the Libyan government and make a mess that overflowed into their country.
Which means they can't find a suitable youtube video to blame it on.
Well, Muslim terrorists attacked a refinery site and killed or took captive a number of Americans, as well as people of other nationalities.
The Algerians responded by attacking the terrorists, and managed to rescue at least some, if not most, of the captives.
And you sat there with your mouth open doing nothing. At least, that's assuming that you gave it any thought at all, which is somewhat doubtful.
They probably had to call him on the golf course to come to the situation room again. Wonder if there will be any photos of him in his leisure attire?
Mr President, greedy Americans were working for profit, can you believe Mr. President they were still employed. These greedies were working for company which is polluting Earth. Some non-profit organizations guys who believe in purity and peace, aborted those greedy who were digging pollutants and destroying this earth.
Hey, hey, ...they were just a Bump In The Road!!!!!! No big deal!
Earth To Obongo:We(The American People )want to know what REALLY happened in Benghazi and why Christoper Stevens was doing there on the 11th anniversary of 9/11??????????????
To be President of the US means you have to be a decision maker and a person with conviction and courage ... does this sound like our present leader?
And I use "leader" with great reservation. This man is no leader. He is a coward and if it were not for affirmative action ... nuff said.
Here is what happened; While under attack the Algerians did NOT sit around over the course of 8 hours listening to people BEG on the radio for air support while watching them DIE on TV.
They actually TRIED to do something.
And what is more they probably didn't actively ARM the very same nuts who attacked them.
The ham-handed Algerians owe GayMuzzie NO explanation at all.
It was just a spontaneous protest that got out of control. /s
"........to provide any assistance the Algerian government needs....."
If Obama has your 6, you're going to get a knife in your back.
Oh, and on October 8, 2012, Obama defiantly declared that "al Qaeda is on its heels." LOL @ ANYONE that listens to his words.
Further understnading? Its simple. You were powned Obama.
By Islamofascists using arms collected from your debacle in Libya.
I am quite sure that what Obummer and his fellow dimocrats want to figure out is:
1. What did we do to anger these poor innocents.
2. How can we make the evil corporations responsible.
3. How much of the American taxpayers money will it take to make them happy and proud of their ancestry.
4. How can we blame the Republicans.
5. How can we pin it all on Bush!
I don't have a full understanding either. I do think that the attackers said they had Americans and would kill them if The Blind Shiek wasn't released.
Did Obama hear the same thing? And as news reports continued to come in, I heard four US hostages, three, two...and now none.
My breath is held.
It appears the douche-in-chief doesn't seem know a hell of lot about much of anything does he?
I'm surprised, it took 13 responses to hit the nail on the head!!! Why not demand what happened at Bengazzi???
But I can still have the party , right?
Hey, Bamster! How's that leading from behind workin' for ya?
He wanted to take the country down a peg or two, and he got his wish.
Nobody respects him anymore.
maybe if Obama can get the terrorists on food stamps ,welfare and disability they'll be nice
Mr. President, we have not forgotten the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi: Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, and Tyrone Woods. I hope you are seeking a "fuller understanding" of what happened there or have you conveniently forgotten about that tragedy? Your "Move on, nothing to see here" attitude is dispicable!
More Americans got killed , numbnuts.
Not optimal.
It's not the terrorists fault, it's the guns' fault.
"Oct 29, 2012 US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Algeria Monday to secure Algerian cooperation in fighting terrorism in northern Mali."
I thought our illustrious Secretary of State had already taken care of things in Mali and Algeria. You mean to tell me that Al Qaeda didn't turn tale and run when they found out CSI Agent Clinton was on the case?
Once again the world's smartest idiot is looking for clues. We are seeing the end of this great nation brought to us by the commies in the demokrat party. There will be a time and day when we will no longer be able to defend our selves.
Obama doesn't care what happened unless he can figure out how these dead Americans can be used to further another one of this anti-American agendas.
Workplace violence, Obama says "Let's par-tee!"
Like you sought fuller understanding of what happened in Benghazi? Like OJ is looking for the real killer?
man made disaster
man made disaster
Al Qaeda is already in the USA, just biding their time, planning, waiting for the liberals to disarm the population so they will have an easier time when they start their assaults. It is coming, and sooner than you think. They can bring anything they want over our Southern border with the help of the drug cartels. Be prepared my friends!
I think this pleases him-he hates America and Americans especially white Americans.
Obama will prevent repeats of this incident by placing "No Guns Allowed" signs on the fences around all refineries.
There! Problem solved! /sarc
This just in- in an effort to stop wars and gun violence aroudn hte world, the UN and abama and blloomingberg have announced that all assault weapons are now illegal anywhere i nthe world- Anyoen caught with an assault weapon will be 'prosecuted to hte fullest extent of the law' (unless they are criminals)
Why didn't we think of htis before? All we had to do to brign abotu world peace was to ban guns- ban assault rifles- and all our worries woudl be over-
Dang! It's that reprehensible video again!
Don't bother Obama with the problems in Mali and Algeria. He's still trying to (with the help of the FBI) find out what went on in Benghazi?
"Slow learner this boy is" - Yoda
Coming soon to a "Current TV" near you!
Literally amazing how Obama is playing(acting) so clueless on many fronts!
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The good thing about Chloë Sevigny is that you never know what you're going to get. It could be a ball gown at lunch or a denim romper at a gala. She's the quintessential quirky style icon, and I love her for her daring, risk-taking choices. At this year's 35th-annivesary gala for the New Musuem, I thought she looked splendid in a specially custom-made white BLK DNM men's suit. For the poster girl for downtown's penchant for understated chic, it was another bright hit in her sartorial history.
Chloë wasn't the only style icon who was working a white suit this week. One of the most super of the supermodels, Lauren Hutton, tapped into her fellow '70s icon Bianca Jagger's closet to find inspiration for the ensemble she wore to the benefit gala. Lauren has always looked effortless, which comes from being a free spirit who has lived her life entirely on her own terms. And the purity and simplicity of this suit only enhances that. (Also, now that I'm looking at it, they didn't just have the white suit in common: Both are working messy bobs and bangs.)
Cartier Nails It With "Juste Un Clou" Exhibit & Party

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Jets Post-Game 2: Jets Go Wario-World on Kings' Plummers
Kevin McCartney
October 04 2013 10:25PM
Scheifele on his head, still gets the puck
In the Jets' home-opener, it was safe to regard them as the underdogs. Sure, the Kings were on the second half of an early-season back-to-back, but led the NHL in possession hockey one year ago, and won a Stanley Cup with their depth two years ago. Everyone accepted it would be the Jets' first test of moving West.
In typical Jets fashion, even a win wasn't a clear passing of that test.
It was another enteraining, high-event affair in which the opposition held the advantage in possession. The Kings out-shot the Jets 36-33 (26-22 at even strength) and out shot-attempted them 67-59. But luck has been with the Jets two games running. On the back of a 15 minute stretch of dominating hockey in which they led shots 17-3 and a few lucky breaks - from Kane's looping first goal to Frattin breaking his stick in the slot late in the third - the Jets escaped with 2 points.
Amazingly, Pavelec was the better goal tender again this game. US Olypmic Team hopeful Jonathan Quick was pulled from the game after the Jets' fourth - a Setoguchi wrap around on a sprawling and out-of-sorts Kings squad. Pav managed a .960 even strength save percentage in the game, and made more than a few breath-holders. The only goal against at even strength came off Byfuglien on a Matt Greene shot. Unlikely to say the least.
Still, the Jets' special teams were an issue, and PK specialist Mark Stuart was on the ice for both powerplay goals against. The Jets did manage an important powerplay marker - a tip by Setoguchi on an awkward shot from Kane through Regehr's legs to go up 3-1 - but went just 1 for 6 on the night.
Byfuglien led the team in time on ice, and was marked for 5 giveaways as the NHL continues to collect a statistic that might as well be called 'Confirmation Bias.' Trouba had the fewest even strength minutes among defenders, but was 3rd among defenders total. He continues to impress with the puck, but he and Bogosian struggled to keep the puck away from their net tonight, combining for the worst 5v5 corsi % when the score was close.
The bottom line - the Jets faced poor goaltending two games in a row and came out with a win in a game in which the score was one of very few measures of success to lean in their favour.
The Good
Evander Kane had a remarkable game, recording a Gordie Howe Hat-trick plus an extra goal for good measure (you're welcome, Fantasy Hockey). He also led the game with 8 shots on and 12 attempts at the net. Outrageous. In fact, the Jets' second line was the reason they won this game, combining for 3 goals and 7 points.
Olli Jokinen sure looked excited, recording a couple points in under 14 minutes of play and getting engaged physically as the game wore on. He and Frolik managed a positive corsi % against a very good Kings group. When Kane was double-shifted on that line, it was effective at generating scoring chances.
The top pairing of Buff and Enstrom had a less dominating performance by corsi-measures, but mostly due to the score effects in the third. When the score was close, they were still the Jets' best defenders. They also put a ton of rubber toward the net.
It's weird to say, but Pavelec was among the good again tonight, despite continuing his scrambling style and generous rebounds.
The Bad
The Jets won a second game in spite of their top line. Wheeler logged just over 11 even strength minutes, and the LLW line were a dismal 20% in EV corsi events - 4 out of 5 shot attempts went against the Jets while they were on the ice. If an 80% majority is enough for the American Dental Association, it's enough to say this line got dominated.
They also had almost 5 minutes of powerplay time with nothing to show for it.
The first period closed with the Kings holding an 18-7 shot advantage, and 20-7 Fenwich advantage. The story of the period was control over the neutral zone for the Kings, and unforced turnovers for Wheeler (who had four to my eye in that period alone). He's clearly not at 100%.
It's hard to mention Wheeler and Wright in the same section, but despite a demotion to just 9 minutes of even strength ice time, James Wright continued to bleed chances against. He, Slater, and Thorburn were a frightening combo that spent most of its time in the Jets' zone. Depth is the key to winning in the West. Noel took a step toward isolating the team's problems at forward, but can't afford to spend 8 to 10 minutes a game hemmed in their own zone and expect to win many more one-goal games.
Finally, the third pairing for the Jets turned in a much better performance, and earned their increased EV minutes against the Kings. But Mark Stuart was burned for two powerplay goals against. The team relies on him as a tough minutes, gritty defender, but his puck play, awareness, and positional discipline are problems already. Though a veteran on the club, he may be the one to come out when Clitsome returns from injury.
Best Play-By-Play Quote
I was watching the Kings feed tonight due to technical difficulties. Early in the game, the Kings announcing crew did a bit on the MTS Centre.
"And it gets so loud in here because of the acoustics," explained shameless Matthew Perry fan Jim Fox.
I come to jets nation for the writing. Big props to the writers on this site.
October 04 2013, 11:42PM
Man we NEED you over at Oilersnation.
No. You can't have him.
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Yes, a new New York Times/CBS News Poll finds that 82 percent of people in the country think congress sucks. That's more people than even know what a congress is, or does! And it's one particular group of jerks that came out especially bad:
Republicans in Congress shoulder more of the blame for the difficulties in reaching a debt-ceiling agreement than President Obama and the Democrats, the poll found.
The Republicans compromised too little, a majority of those polled said. All told, 72 percent disapproved of the way Republicans in Congress handled the negotiations, while 66 percent disapproved of the way Democrats in Congress handled negotiations.
The public's opinion of the Tea Party movement has soured in the wake of the debt-ceiling debate. The Tea Party is now viewed unfavorably by 40 percent of the public and favorably by just 20 percent, according to the poll.
So! People seem to have figured out that "the Tea Party movement" is really just "the same reactionary crazies we voted out last time, but worse." (Took you long enough, Average Voter!) President Obama's approval rating, meanwhile, held steady at 48 percent. Americans also trust him more on the economy than congressional Republicans by 14-point margin.


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LFR6 - Game 21 - Zut
Steve Dangle
February 28 2013 12:14PM
Bad officiating? Sure. But the effort sucked just as bad, if not worse.
Post Game Blog: http://bit.ly/15TBJP8
It was pretty clear watching the game that the leafs fell apart once Phaneuf turned tail on Prust. Prust would have got the instigator and that would have taken the leafs off the PK. And in addition give a big boost to the team instead of the big let down. I miss Wendel Clark he would have never turtled like that.
mann... agree or disagree... well brown shouldn't have got that 5 or a game.. that hit was from the side. but i can understand if it was a 2. as far as colton orr goes... i dont even think kadri or mcCarthur were even looking for him on the ice


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|Posted by Bob on February 07, 2003 at 01:16:35:
|In response to Re: Odd Toilet "Double Flush", Clogged Drain Pipe?
Thanks hj,
: It is still an excess water in the tank situation. It could be that your fill valve is putting so much water in so quickly that the amount of water is more than is required for a single flush. The amount of water for a single flush is a fixed quantity with a small amount of variation. More than that and the toilet will flush again once the necessary amount has flowed through it. If that excess water is enough to intiate an additional flush cycle that is what will happen, otherwise the water level would just be restored sooner than normal and the excess water would silently flow down the drain.
: : Thanks hj,
: : You're always so helpful here.
: : This is an older toilet (installed ~1977) and I initially suspected the flapper. I replaced the flapper and the double flush persisted. I'm pretty sure that the flapper stays open during the entire flush and then flaps down after the second flush.
: : I'll take a closer look at this and post an update here.
: : Bob
: : : If it is a newer toilet that has a replacement flapper that is "normal" and depending on the toilet bowl and water level in the tank, it will sometimes flush three times. The only time it would be due to a stoppage is if it filled up and then the water was "sucked out" when the water went down.
: : : : My toilet will flush twice and I'm trying to figure out what might be going on. Basically the bowl empities once and then, as the water from the tank continues to enter the bowl, the bowl fills and empties again.
: : : : My impression is that the drain pipe can't handle all the water at once and this is preventing a continuous drain of the bowl.
: : : : Does that theory make sense? If so, should I try to clear the drain with a chemical clog remover?
: : : : Thanks,
: : : : Bob
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Skip to comments.Giuliani stresses electability for 2012
Posted on 04/04/2011 10:39:35 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
On a weekend trip to the University of Arkansas, Rudy Giuliani talked about the possibility of running for president again.
"My concern about 2012 is -- because I'm a Republican -- to make sure that the Republican party fields a candidate that can win.
And if I think that I can help by being a candidate, then that would probably persuade me to do it, but if I can help supporting another candidate, then I'd probably do that."
And there's time to figure that out. The good thing about this election -- as opposed to four years ago -- is that it's happening very slowly, so it gives you a chance to think about it -- gives you a chance to get it down to a smaller period of time so people can focus more on the issues."
In a speech in Florida last month, Giuliani laid out further criteria for a run.
If all we are faced with are candidates that are too far right so that they cant win the general election, then thats when Id reconsider doing it."
My concern about 2012 is — because I'm an American — to make sure that Obama is a one term President.
I hate to say this but even Giuliani looks good compared to Bambi or Hitlery.
She's running, y'know.
What say you Jim?
What say you Jim?
Rudy, your fifteen minutes is up.
Rudy, your fifteen minutes is up.
If all we are faced with are candidates that are too far right so that they cant win the general election, then thats when Id reconsider doing it."
Wait what is this? I don't even......
Giuliani? NO!
NO more liberals. NO more moderates. NO more rinos.
NO more RudyMcRombees!
And if I think that I can help by being a candidate, then that would probably persuade me to do it...
You can't...
Giuliani has plenty of issues but I seriously doubt he's be kow-towing to Islam the way Obama has been doing since day 1.
He'd make a pretty good Homeland Security Sec in Palin's cabinet.
... and that goes double for TheDonald.
NO Trump either!
Rudy was in then out so many times in the NY Senate race it was a joke. This is why there are two Dem Senators.
I am no Rudy POTUS fan but he was a damned good leader during 9/11 and he has a point. Unless Independents rally with whoever the GOP nominee is we are doomed with Obama.
If the GOP candidate is not favored by independents they will all then split off and vote for a Rand Paul.
Heck if Judy is worried about electability we can just run Obama on both tickets, as a bonus that could slow Hillary down.
Mr. 3% speaketh...
Trump Trumps them ALL!!!
Oh how I agree but the GOP is doing a shabby job all around do you think they will back Bachmann much less Palin?In the end I pray all unite behind someone that can beat Obama.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
We need a true conservative that can pull off the union vote (Screw Obama's SEIU PROGRESSIVE MOB) and Ca. and pick up some in NY.
We need Reagan!
I believe Reagan was as popular as Bachmann and Palin and low in the polls at this stage.
Independents like Bachmann as she is a tax attorney for the fair tax.
So there is hope.
Watching this guy Giuliani navigate the political process is like watching a horror film festival---Rooty's had more sequels than Bela Lugosi.
No matter how many stakes are driven into Rooty's presidential aspirations, the Rudester comes back from the dead, climbs out of his coffin with the same evil smirk, to wreak havoc on our political process again and again. Rooty's got the resilience of Count Dracula and the rap sheet of a calculating conman......not exactly star material for the White House.
THE ROOTY READING ROOM You can casually surf FR and come up with quotes, speeches, interview transcripts, video clips, photos, newspaper/magazine articles, reports, records, statistics, WRT to Rooty and NYC budgets, NYC spending, political appointments, gun grabs, connections to the gun control lobby, lawsuits against gun manufacturers, the truth about crime reduction in NYC, private property grabs, asset forfeitures, abuses of office, individual rights trampling, constitution trampling, violations of public trust, violations of the rule of law, national security risks, failures in security preparedness prior to and after 911.
Not to mention corruption, graft, bribes, favors, union dealings, mob dealings, business dealings leveraged through government contracts and contacts, rainmaking for his business partners, connections to US, Middle East or South American oil and energy companies and law firms that have profited and or will profit from Giuliani's government offices especially if he becomes president, war profiteering, his personal and business finances.
Then there's his train wreck of a private life and lack of character, lack of qualifications for high office, illegal alien NYC sanctuaries, welfare for illegals, pandering to illegals/illegal alien lobby, support for the abortion and gay rights lobbies, NARAL connections and participation, past and current support for McCain-Feingold, connections and dealings with liberal officeholders or the liberal/socialist caucuses/lobbies, etc, etc, etc, that you can find.
For a man intent on moving into the White House, Rudy Giuliani carries a lot of baggage - but its his draft-dodging past that makes an interesting tidbit.
Asked about terrorism and the ME, Giuliani boasted, It is something I understand better than anyone else running for president. But it was draft deferments that kept Giuliani, 62, out of Vietnam while he attended law school.
He was granted a 2-A occupational deferment for his job as a law clerk in 1969 after his boss, the late Manhattan federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon, wrote a letter to the local draft board - a move criticized years later as rare and questionable.
Law clerks were not on the 1968 list of critical jobs that qualified for occupational deferments.
When the deferment expired in 1970, Giuliani became susceptible again - but lucked out with such a high draft number that it would have been unnecessary to attempt to continue his exemption. He was never called. SNIP
AND GET THIS ROOTY SPIN: Giuliani was opposed to the war in Vietnam on strategic and tactical grounds...... his spokesman added, although she wouldnt offer specifics.
Yeah, sure. NOW he's againt the war (that's why Rooty got a fishy occupational deferment).
Before he could be elected he has to be nominated.
I still dont think the GOP base will nominate a guy who is voluntarily on his third wife ... whether his name is Rudy, Newt, or Donald.
That can't be the only qualifier, however. If the GOP candidate is not a conservative who has a proven track record consistent with traditional constitutional policy positions, then its another prescription for failure.
RG is a good man in his own right.
But we don't need someone who the RINO's think "can win", we need someone who will surround herself with like-minded stalwarts who understand what we're about to lose forever. We need a president who aims to set things right and who doesn't take prisoners.
Maybe Rudy can replace Holder or something.
Once his driver----Rooty promoted Kerik to Police Commissioner. Rooty figured Kerik at DHS would be a boon to Rooty's global security businesses. Kerik was later nailed for lying on the WH form. Wonder who helped Kerik fill out the falsified form? Hmmmmm?
As one FReeper insightfully posted: "Dis auta be fun. Not only is Rooty a sock puppet for illegals, abortionists, homos, pukeneos, Rooty is a stoolie for da goodfellas."
Tick-tock, tick-tock.
The reason we lost in 2008 was because independents didn't care for our middl-of-the-road guy.
The reason we won big in 2010 was because independents voted for rock-ribbed conservatives.
In 2012 we will be told that rock-ribbed conservatives are too far to the right for the delicate sensibilities of independents. Don't believe it for a minute. We run a squishy moderate, we get shellacked.
LOL! He may as well. All of the other politicians in the running for the oligarchy are like him, too.
IS THAT A PROMISE OR A THREAT, ROOTY? Giuliani told Floridians, If all we are faced with are candidates that are too far right so that they cant win the general election, then thats when Id reconsider doing it."
Rooty's utterances sound like they're straight out of the Pukeneo's "We Hate Conservatives" Playbook.
The only position I would consider Rudy for would be Homeland Security.
President ? Nope.
All the pro-Rooty lib NOOBS are outing themselves and just begging for a ZOT like with that famous Bug Zapper thread in 08.
Scores of dead Rooty trolls littered the FR Server that day. It was .... beautiful.
If the GOP can't come up with a better candidtate than either Rudy or Mitt in 2012, then they deserve to wander in the wilderness for 40 year. (unfortunately, the damage to the republic may be irreparable.)
I agree. I have hope Bachmann Palin can pull a Reagan.
The media spin loves pimping Obama and making any conservative Alinskized. Bachmann would pick a good VP
and could pull a Reagan. I just wish West would jump in.
I am certain that Rudy has a "pile" left. Unfortunately it is probably dog poop.
Heheh-——now that's funny.
That was a VERY good day.
As a voter who has been registered as "independent" (non-alligned) for 45 years, I am so thrilled that there are FReepers like Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! here to tell everyone how I'm going to vote.
Riiiiight.... "UP! the Middle"... Here we go again! The strategy of FAIL!
Liberal Party endorsement has been important to Giulianis political success...........The Liberal Party backed Rudy three times for mayor. And Rudy paid back the Liberal Party in spades----he was THAT appreciative.
(1) Mayor Rudy appointed Liberal Party Chairwoman Fran Reiter as Deputy Mayor. Rudy later gave her a $250K city job.
(2) Mayor Rudy gave the two sons of Liberal Party honcho Ray Harding top city jobs.
One Harding brother---Russel---stole the city blind, giving himself unauthorized salary raises, stealing electronic equipment, enjoying gay porn, internet child porn, and traveling with gay friends on the taxpayers' dime.
When Rudy was appraised of Russel's govt fraud, and that Russel was being prosecuted (he is now in jail), Rudy said he "felt bad" for the Harding family (gag).
Rudy never never deviated from the "I-Love-Liberals" drill and dared not utter a discouraging word about the depraved Russel, lest Rudy alienate big buck liberal donors and voters.
Remember voters, a look at Rudy's past is a glimpse into the future.
Republicans seem to be comfortable with nominating men who have been married twice (Reagan, Dole, McCain), but not with men who have been married three times. (Trump has been married four times.)
If it came down to Giuliani or Trump, I'd go with Giuliani--Trump is too much of a loose cannon and I'm still ticked off at him for his trashing of George W. Bush. He isn't enough of a Republican to be on the Republican ticket--it would be worse than if McCain had insisted on Lieberman as VP in 2008. But it definitely won't come down to a choice between Giuliani and Trump.
Two other Republican Presidents were married twice but the second marriage occurred after the first wife died--Benjamin Harrison and Theodore Roosevelt. In Harrison's case the second marriage was after he left office.
Let's welcome as many RINOs into the primaries as possible. They can split the RINO vote and allow a conservative to prevail. That is if conservatives are smart enough to back one good candidate and not split their own votes...
I think Rudy would make a really good Director of Central Intelligence!
" P-l-e-a-s-e make me sound like a conservative."
"My stupid advisors told me I didn't need those redneck gun nuts and
those dumb pro-life Christian conservatives to make a primary showing."
" They're killing me on FR just b/c I dumped my wife for my mistress, don't talk
to my kids, was honored by NARAL, donated to Planned Parenthood, marched
for gay rights under the NAMBLA banner, appointed gays and pedophiles
to top city jobs, and provided a sanctuary for illegals."
I don't care how many times someone has married. I don't care how many illigitimate kids they have.
I care that they can defeat the "Won."
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Family friendly dining, live music, full bar.
An elegant eatery in a bistro-like atmosphere, serving current American cuisine with the freshest ingredients.
Enjoy big city dining in a small town atmosphere. The unique American cuisine, and premium wine selections are a treat for anyone visiting Galesburg and especially for our regular customers.
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Fresh baked from scratch bread & sweets, vegetarian deli items such as tarts & salads, lasagna & eggplant parmesan, coffee, smoothies, bulk food, organic produce, teas and imported cheese.
Established in 2011, En Season Restaurant was born out of the desire to promote local, sustainable agriculture and to improve community wellness and quality of life by providing a farm-to-table seasonal dining experience and various programs in collaboration with area businesses and organizations. Located inside Galesburg's Sustainable Business Center, en season aspires to meet high sustainability standards by sourcing ingredients almost exclusively from community farms, conserving water, and nurturing green entrepreneurs to, in turn, help rebuild the local economy. Providing lunch and dinner to the public Wednesday through Saturday and brunch on Sunday, our Executive Chef creates new, fresh dishes each week that join signature menu items made from foods grown by local farms, our garden or the regional cooperative.
Unique dining atmosphere, children's menu available, party room for larger groups, specializing in homemade pizza and pasta, also sandwiches, salad bar and Mexican dinners. No delivery service. Take-out available.
Buffet 7 days a week. Family fun center with games, pizza and ice cream. Delivery also.
Homestead Room at Best Western Prairie Inn
Italian-American cuisine specializing in seafood, pasta and steaks.
Hy-Vee's kitchen includes salads, a hot case for lunch and supper, and breakfasts between 5am-11am are cooked fresh and fast. Catering service. Chinese express, Italian express and New York Deli.
Located in the heart of beautiful Galesburg, Illinois, Iron Spike Brewpub features delightful craft brews. Iron Spike prides itself on original beer, great food, and local entertainment while supporting the Galesburg community.
The abundance of virgin stands of Oak and Hickory trees, the rolling hills and wooded bluffs lends an enchantment to Lake Bracken unequaled in the Midwest. It has maintained its beauty and continues to charm members and visitors alike for nearly one hundred years. Our golf course is carefully manicured and tended by expert hands, making it a true showcase of beauty. There is nothing quite like Lake Bracken Country Club in Illinois,
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Located in beautiful downtown Galesburg, Illinois, just blocks from the Amtrak Station and the Seminary Street Shopping District. Q's Cafe offers homemade soups, sandwiches, salads and desserts. They also offer wonderful vegetarian fare. Special orders and catering are also available.
Casual dining for ribs, barbecued chicken, fried chicken, barbecued rib tips and steaks.
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American steak house serving beef, chicken and seafood. Wonderful salad bar with unique selections. Famous for their cinnamon buns. Located in an old butcher plant sitting next to the railroad tracks. Unusual decor.
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In 2002 Sarah Hughes won Oly gold and everyone was skating that year. What exactly are you saying about MW?Originally Posted by euterpe
In 2002 Sarah Hughes won Oly gold and everyone was skating that year. What exactly are you saying about MW?Originally Posted by euterpe
Your comments are interesting. I've seen or read about MW quite differently. He is a happy husband. He is a happy father. He loves skating. He applauds the skaterrs who win over him, He does charity work.Originally Posted by RIskatingfan
I f I am missing the arrogance, can you cite an example or two? I would most appreciate it.
Eligible skating is not skate while accepting the rules of the USFSA, is accepting the rules of the ISU. All skating federations have restrictions for pro/ eligible skaters, it's not only the American. Recently, B/S and Yagudin lost eligibility by skating in pro events, not sanctioned by the ISU. That is what means to turn pro, to stop skating in ISU sanctioned events.
There aren't as many (known) names turning pro now because in the past professionals won tons of money in the pro world and today they win more if they remain eligible. Besides, there are so many more eligible events than pro. For a skater who wants to work, there is more possibilities to work by remaining eligible.
Reasons why a skater should turn pro? Plenty of them. Preferring to spend their time touring and performing instead of dealing with the pressure of competitions, more time to dedicate to other projects in their lives (an eligible skater who wants to be successful needs to be fully commited), injuries that may affect parts of the skating necessary to compete but that still allow the skaters to skate and perform in the pro world... and I think something that is the essence of the pro world - not having to follow rules to build their programs. If there wasn't a pro world we would never see Kurt's Nyah.
If that is how you read Michael Weiss' interviews then I don't see why you say you read them differently than me because I happen to agree with every word you wrote about Weiss. Perhaps you should ask your question to someone who doesn't like him and thinks he constantly puts his foot in his mouth and is arrogant? There should be no problem to find such kind of poster considering how unpopular Michael Weiss is and how it is kind of "in" to take digs at him. I, for one, am pleased to see a thread about Michael Weiss where we can actually read positive things about him.Originally Posted by Joesitz
Amen and amen! (can I use that as a quotation in my siggy? please??)If there wasn't a pro world we would never see Kurt's Nyah.
RI - From what you wrote there is no difference between 'Pro' and 'Eligible' skating except for the rules of the ISU. It is also apparent that 'Eligible' skaters earn more money than 'Pro' skaters. So the question arises, why give up money and medals, too for a low level show business touring company? If you have ever toured with a show and by bus, the first year is exciting; the second year is more like been there done that; the third year you want out. Kurt and Scott are business men now as is Katerina. They are not about to retire from that. There are few openings in that area.
Neither Todd nor Yags wanted to give up 'eligible' but were forced to for different reasons. Yags is trying to break into the lucrative coaching field. I think Todd will give up the stardust in a couple of years. Will he coach? He may not have desire or talent for that area anymore than designing costumes.
And what has happened to Ilia Kulic? A skater who vastly improved when he got into Kurt's show. He's not there anymore?
I would let Irina, Michelle, Amber, Elena L, Fumie, Klimkin, Restancourt, Dmabier, and MICHAEL make their own life decisions. They really don't need our help. And if that is ARROGANCE, than so be it.
Tonichelle, you want to use a quote from ME in your siggy? :D How flattering LOL! Go ahead LOL!
There is no difference? What difference do you want to find? It's eligible skating and professional skating. You weren't expecting them to be different as in skating to boxe, did you? Considering the rules is a great deal in what makes a sport, I would say there IS a substantial difference LOLOriginally Posted by Joesitz
As for your other musings, I made some suggestions in my above post that can work as answers. Perhaps I should add that athletes careers don't last forever. And if in skating there is the fortunate chance of make the transition from an athlete to a performer and keep doing what they love to do - skate - I think it's only a plus to the world of skating, skaters and fans.
Yagudin gave up eligibility because he has a serious injury, not because he wanted to rush to be a coach LOL It wouldn't be very smart of a skater of his caliber to give up eligible skating because he wanted to coach, something that he can do for the next decades. As for Todd, he made a spectacular transition to pro and the audiences seem to love him. I sure see him in SOI for many, many years. As for Kulik, he doesn't seem to be skating much these days, probably wants to dedicate more time to his family.Originally Posted by Joesitz
BTW, still about Michael Weiss and the arrogance matter I found a thread where some posters accuse Weiss of being arrogant... maybe they will have some answers for your question, maybe not It's a poll from the other forum...
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Joesitz: "In 2002 Sarah Hughes won Oly gold and everyone was skating that year. What exactly are you saying about MW?
Everyone keeps pointing to the fact that Weiss won World bronze in 1999 and 2000. But those were the years when a better skater than Weiss -- Eldredge -- did not compete at US Nationals and Worlds.
Eldredge won US Nationals gold to Weiss's silver in 1997 and 1998, and Eldredge won World silver in both of those years while Weiss's best placement was 6th in 1998. In 1999 and 2000, Eldredge took a holiday from eligible skating, and in his absence, Weiss won two National Championships and two World bronze medals. When Eldredge returned to eligible competition in 2001, Goebel, armed with a quad, won US Nationals gold, Eldredge won silver, and Weiss was 4th and failed to make the World team. Eldredge went on to win the 2001 World bronze medal, and Goebel finished 4th.
What I am saying is that Weiss benefitted from Eldredge's absence when he won the '99 and '00 US Nationals and World bronze medals. During their years competing against one another, Weiss never beat Eldredge in any US Nationals, World or Olympic Championship, and not even in the Grand Prix. If Eldredge had competed, Weiss would have finished 2nd at Nationals and 4th at Worlds.
I have no idea what Sarah Hughes has to do with anything in relation to Michael Weiss.
The point is, it doesn't matter if Eldredge competed or not. Weiss did well. You don't know what would happen if Eldredge was there, maybe Weiss would win the same LOL! You can't take the value of a skater's achievements by looking at what another skater did. Maybe Todd needed a rest and if he had competed he would have two bad seasons. Who knows.Originally Posted by euterpe
I can imagine what people would say if Kwan and Slutskaya didn't skate in the SLC. Everyone would be saying Sarah Hughes only won because they didn't compete. Guess what? They were all there and even though they were probably far better skaters, Sarah Hughes still won. Same thing with Weiss and Eldredge. You may think Eldredge is better, but that doesn't mean Weiss wouldn't be able to beat him in 1999 and 2000. We just can't guess because he didn't compete.
Eldredge was also held up against Mikey in Nationals as well. I think it was '97 or one of those years when Mikey skated a spectacular long program with a slightly two footed quad and was placed 2nd to Todd despite the fact that everyone thought Mikey should have won.
Also in 2002, I believe Goebel made the comment that the judges put Eldredge in first at Nationals because they wanted him to go into the Olympics with confidence (that didn't work). Goebel had definitely said that international judges would have scored him differently because he had the big jumps.
Anyway, my point is it that there were lots of times that Todd was held up because he was the champion and unfortunately, this occurred during the years that Mikey was skating very well at Nationals.
I also think it is completely unfair to take anything away from a skater's accomplishment just because one or more other eligible competitors weren't part of the competition. Todd Eldredge's brilliant showing in Vancouver was very surprising considering how he struggled through the 2000-2001 season. Certainly, he did medal at GP events....but with relatively weak performances. Mike earned his World medals in 1999 and 2000. Who can say that Todd would have been able to compete at that point and time? The "What if" game is wonderfully entertaining, but facts are facts. Mike won two consecutive World medals in 1999-2000 and Todd did not. I also find it completely ludicrous that the USFSA would hold Mike up over more deserving skaters. They didn't do it in 2001, 2002 or 2004. I mean, come on, he skated a pretty clean long program this year and his marks weren't that spectacular. He earned his place on the 2004 World Team....and the 2002 Olympic Team, and on and on, etc.
Eldredge won two consecutive US National Championships in 1997 and 1998 and two World silver medals, competing against Weiss. Weiss won two National Championship in 1999 and 2000, and two World bronze medals, competing against Goebel. Goebel won the US National Championship in 2001 and Eldredge won silver (Weiss finished 4th); Eldredge won a much-deserved bronze medal at 2001 Worlds [the New York Times commented that for once the judges rewarded fine skating, and not just big jumps] and Goebel finished 4th.
It's too bad that Goebel commented that HE should have won the 2002 US Championship. As I recall, Goebel and Eldredge had tied for first in the SP, but Eldredge won the FS because Goebel fell on his second quad--I guess Timmy forgot about that. The Goebel who skated in 2002 had big jumps, all right, but he was not a pretty figure on the ice, with his hunched shoulders and stiff body. He was very ungracious after losing his title to Todd. Weiss was very, very lucky to finish 3rd after being in 5th place after the SP. Many felt that Matt Savoie had outskated Mike but Mike was given the Olympic spot because of his previous World medals.
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I also wish the MW would just go away. As an eligible, I'm sick to death of hearing about quads that he never lands.
I'm not hoping for him to join the pro ranks, either. His exhibition programs are less than entertaining at least to my eyes and ears. I've always actually found the Angel is a Centerfold song to be rather juvinile and am not surprised that MW decided that would be a good exhibition.
About the only program he ever did that excited me was his SP at World's in Washington DC to screaming guitar music... and the speed with which he slammed into that big fall on the lutz. I'd already had enough trouble forgiving him for going to Cup of Russia too soon after an injury and making a laughing stock outta himself. Then, to falter so mightily in front of the home town crowd...
His father built a gym and parlayed his athletic success into a good career. Couldn't Mikey just buy or build an ice rink and do the same?
Kurt's show? When was he in "Gotta Skate" ? Stars on Ice has always and will forever be Scott's show.And what has happened to Ilia Kulic? A skater who vastly improved when he got into Kurt's show. He's not there anymore?
as for them being business men... I don't think so, I think they're becoming producer/directors.... but they still rely heavily on their "agents" to do the other stuff... with the help of Disson Skating they're trying to bring pro skating back...
one big difference in pro skating is that JUMPS are not nessicerily what makes the program great... it's all about selling the routine...
Give me Kurt's Nyah over Timothy's quads any day... and I'm a fan of both.
In his best years at Worlds Weiss has finished 2nd in the qualis and 3rd in the SP and LP. He has never won a competition phase at Worlds. He's had to rely upon others' mistakes to medal, both at Worlds and Grand Prix; while technically "in control of his own destiny," he's never been able to take it. He's never had a program on paper that could match Plushenko's technical content -- landed routinely in competition over the last five seasons -- to say nothing of Goebel's, the reigning Olympic bronze medallist's. While he might match Honda on paper, Honda actually has landed quads that aren't two-footed. Both of these skaters were on the 2002 podium.
I would say that in this light it was arrogant of Weiss to state publically that he was renting a hummer limo to celebrate his victory at 2003 Worlds.


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Freeman Dyson is a physicist who has been teaching at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton since Albert Einstein was there. When Einstein died in 1955, there was an opening for the title of most brilliant physicist on the planet. Dyson has filled it.
So when the global-warming movement came along, a lot of people wondered why he didnt come along with it. The reason hes a skeptic is simple, the 89-year-old Dyson said when I phoned him.
I think any good scientist ought to be a skeptic, Dyson said.
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Dyson says CO2 has been beneficial to plant growth.
Dyson is considered the best physicist without a Nobel Prize, or a Ph.D. Interesting distinction.
Uh, Paul? Did you forget about your first two sentences when you write the third? Seems like asked and answered to me.
"Dyson says CO2 has been beneficial to plant growth."
Of course. CO2 is plant food, and they can't get enough of it. If you increase the amount of CO2 they have access to, plants grow faster, and in growing, extract more CO2 from their environment to be stored in their cells. So, it's a feedback loop that is one of the things that prevents a "runaway" greenhouse effect from happening on Earth.
Another feedback loop is the oceans. If the temperature were to rise enough for the glaciers to melt and raise the sea level, it would increase the volume and temperature of the oceans, both of which are factors that would increase the amount of CO2 that would dissolve in the oceans, and be taken out of the atmosphere.
I thought Brawndo's got Electrolytes, it's what plants crave.
Way back in the 1960's, Norman Augustine famously said that any computer model that cannot be explained on the back of an envelope is worse than useless, it's dangerous.
Events have proven him correct.
I wish Dyson's friend and colleague Richard Feynman was still around to back him up.
Feynman was great.
Nice, I love obscure movie quotes.
Looks like he skipped a grade or two.
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BTW, he has a daughter, Esther, who is a Silicon Valley VC and former gf of Mr. Bill.
I agree with everything you wrote with the following caveat: the oceans may be critical to the absorption of CO2 regardless of the ocean levels, in particular the phytoplankton - the single-cell plants that provide the foundation of the ocean food chain. If the rise in ocean temperatures or fall in salinity due to glacial melting starts to kill off the phytoplankton, a big part of the planet's ability to absorb CO2 goes away. On the other hand, if the rise in temperatures promotes growth in the phytoplankton population, happy days are here again. Who knows?
Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman is one of my favorite books
Man has the largest artificial structure ever conceived NAMED after him!!! He deserves respect!
Not to be pedantic, but it's what they call a "reverse feedback loop."
Perfect description of the entire Left-Liberal movement.
"Can you imagine the Engineering just to design such a structure?!"
Solubility of gasses in water generally decreases with increasing temperatures, which is why bubbles form in pots of water being boiled, that aren't boiling yet. (Those are the air coming out of solution.) There are some exceptions but I don't think CO2 is one of them. That said, I am not an alarmist.
Assuming that it were large enough to hold Mercury, Venus and Earth (and the Moon), I'd think it'd require the raw materials found in all the outer planets and the asteroid belt, and then some. Building a Ringworld would probably be easier.
Actually, for anyone interested in the subject, there was a ST:TNG novel called "The Dyson Sphere", which was okay reading, but had an appendix, which was about 1/4 or 1/3 of the book about the science of such a thing. (I have to admit that I didn't read too much of that either because it was a little dry or little over my head or both.)
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I've been saying for years that we have really needed Feynman around to eviscerate the AGW Warmist crowd.
Hmm, you are right. I was basing my assessment off the fact that solubility of solids, like sugar, for example, increases. Thanks for pointing that out.
I got curious as to why the difference exists, and it seems to be due to the fact that gases have more entropy than solids.
True, if it was a normal feedback loop, it would do the opposite, and we'd all be very toasty right now :)
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Silly me, forty years of engineering we call them "negative feedback" loops. When you write out the differential equations defining a servo loop, the feedback term should be negative if the loop is to be stable.
Positive feedback can be at best "metastable", balance a pencil on it's point, it will stand straight up until the slightest disturbance causes it's center of gravity to move slightly out of vertical alignment with the contact point. This applies a small torque increasing the magnitude of the disturbance which continues to increase as the pencil falls over. (positive feedback)
Negative feedback may be illustrated by dropping a marble into a spherical bowl. The marble will roll "downhill" into the bottom of the bowl. It will probably over shoot and roll past the bottom and up the side some but then it reverses course and rolls back down until it finally comes to a stop at the lowest point. This oscillation about the rest position is typical of a negative feedback system w/o a damping term. If you tried the experiment with various liquids filling the bowl, you would find that water has little effect, light cooking oil has more of an effect, and honey will prevent the marble from overshooting the rest position completely. The viscous drag of the liquids provides a "damping" effect the will slow the marbels's travel and cause it to stop at a stable position. Critical damping is achieved when the moving marble reaches it's rest position in the least time with out overshooting. A little less damping will allow a small overshoot and a few oscillations (under damped). A little more damping will increase the time it takes for the marble to arrive at it's rest position (over damped).
Most positioning servos system are intentionally designed to be slightly under damped as the minor oscillations near setpoint improve repeatability by reducing hysteresis.
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