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Young guns
Robin Brownlee
December 16 2008 02:30PM
The Chicago Blackhawks are living proof that there is upside to long-term ineptitude and utter failure that doesn't exist with sporadic garden variety mediocrity.
One look at the roster Chicago will dress against the Edmonton Oilers at Rexall Place Tuesday tells you that much. Is there another team in the NHL with more young talent -- players 25-and-under -- than the Blackhawks? I think not, although that's just off the top of my head.
Out of the playoffs, often hopelessly so, for nine of the previous 10 seasons, Chicago has rebuilt through the Entry Draft from 2002-07 better than any other team I can think of.
In six drafts, the Blackhawks have added no less than seven players who are on the roster and contributing to a resurgence in the Windy City.
Finish low
While the Oilers made the playoffs in six of the previous 10 seasons, and just missed in three of the other four years, the Blackhawks were dismal enough that they amassed three, top-five picks from 2002-07.
The Oilers, meanwhile, had none -- Edmonton's highest pick in that stretch came in 2007, when they plucked Sam Gagner sixth overall.
After years as an embarrassment to Original Six franchises and of playing in a half-empty United Center, the Blackhawks have drafted high and drafted well. Here's a look at the youngsters who'll be in Chicago silks Tuesday.
Pick high
2007: PATRICK KANE. Taken first overall, Kane, 20, leads the Blackhawks in scoring with 13-21-34. He tallied 21-51-72 as a rookie. The Oilers selected Gagner, a teammate of Kane's in London, sixth, Alex Plante 15th and Riley Nash 21st with a trifecta of first-round picks.
2006: JONATHAN TOEWS. Selected third overall, Toews, 20, scored 24-30-54 as a rookie. He has 8-15-23 this season. The Oilers didn't have a first-round pick, although they have blueliners Jeff Petry (45th) and Theo Peckham (75th) in the system.
2005: JACK SKILLE: This promising forward from the U.S. National Under-18 team is the only Chicago first-rounder from 2002-07 yet to make a real impact. He's got six NHL games on his resume and is in Rockford of the AHL. A big edge to the Oilers so far, with Andrew Cogliano in The Show and Taylor Chorney on the way.
2004: CAM BARKER and DAVE BOLLAND. Chicago took Barker, a 22-year-old defenceman from Medicine Hat, with the third overall pick. He's already played parts of four seasons. Bolland, 22, was taken 32nd overall. He's scored 5-12-17 in 28 games this season. The Oilers just sent Rob Schremp (25th) back to Springfield and fellow first-rounder Devan Dubnyk (14th) is in the system. Liam Reddox (112th) is on the roster.
2003: BRENT SEABROOK AND DUSTIN BYFUGLIEN. The 23-year-old Seabrook, selected 14th from Lethbridge of the WHL, already has 240 games on his NHL resume and is in his fourth season. Seabrook was a no-brainer at the draft.
Byfuglien, 23, meanwhile, is the longest of shots and is paying off. Selected 245th overall, the massive swingman scored 19 goals last season and has 126 NHL games in the books. The Oilers took Marc Pouliot 22nd overall and got Zack Stortini 94th.
2002: DUNCAN KEITH. After taking Anton Babchuk 21st, Keith was a steal at 54th overall. Keith has scored 2-12-14 so far in his fourth NHL campaign after back-to-back seasons of 31 and 32 points. The Blackhawks also got James Wisniewski with the 156th pick.
Jesse Niinimaki was Edmonton's biggest first-round bust in recent years, but they also got Jeff Deslauriers along with Jarret Stoll and Matt Greene, who they've turned into Lubomir Visnovsky via trade.
December 15 2008, 08:15PM
That's a good article, but a great bio.
Too bad about Schremp's demotion, I'd say. Do you think he'll ever get a long look with the Oil, or do you agree with many other pundits that he'll be packaged up and traded away by the end of the season?
December 15 2008, 08:25PM
Despite the risk, it seems to make better sense to send Deslauriers down to the Falcons where he'll have the chance to play some more. It's not doing his already stunted development any good to sit around in the NHL without playing, and I'm not convinced he's ready for The Show anyway. With his mediocre stats, do you think that there's a significant risk that he'd be picked up through waivers if he's sent down?
December 15 2008, 08:37PM
@ nary a kurri: What do you mean mediocre stats? He is 3-2, 2.73 GAA and .915 save %.
His save % is better than the likes of Nabokov, Giguere, Vokoun, Ward, Huet, Miller, Fleury and Budaj to name a few.
Deslauriers is practicing against NHL shots every day, and don't be surprised to see him play soon. Is is ideal, but lots of teams would jump at the chance to pick him up for nothing. It makes absolutely no sense to risk it now.
@ nary a kurri: Mediocre stats? You're kidding, right?
No way Deslauriers clears waivers. Look, he's hung in through some difficult seasons when the Oilers didn't even have their own AHL team for him to play on and he gutted it out. The situation now is less than ideal, but you're going to fold your cards on the kid? Give him some credit.
we just need to ride out this season and with all likelyhood we will see Garon not resign, and my guess is that Roli will sign as a back-up which leaves J.D. where he should be and thats #1
Hey RobinB. Didn't I tell you 5 days ago that Mc T. was going to send Shremp down in a couple of days. That was his good, long look just to prove averybody stupid and him smart. For whatever reason he killed the kid and he did it with approval of management i.e., like it or not, Kevin Lowe. You can deny it as much as you want and protect them but sooner people realise that this management is not going to do anything for the Oilers better it would be.
December 15 2008, 10:03PM
Kinda crazy to see how they drafted and how we did. A little sad on our part. Reading this made me a little jealous but I couldn't stand being that crappy for so many years. Glad to see the resurgence in Chicago. They really haven't been all that good since Roenick left. (and that was with the dinosaurs)
Go Oil tomorrow!
@ Leonard: Get a grip. I'm not the least bit interested in "protecting" anybody in Oilers management.
So what if you guessed right about Schremp being sent down? That was one of several likely scenarios, but you talk like you've got some inside knowledge on why it was done and the motives involved. Right.
Hmmm...5 days ago Schremp was back to playing like uhh Schremp. Slow feet and no grit. Totally outclassed in San Jose and gets little or no time the next two games. Seeing as he's obviously going to be sent down, lets make it look I'm a sooth sayer by stating the obvious and blaming it on MacT at the same time. Then I'll look like a playa when it all goes down.
Nice one soopa-stah.
December 15 2008, 10:42PM
Okay, my obvious mistake in calling Deslauriers stats mediocre notwithstanding, is there a real threat to loose him through the waiver wire if he was sent down? My line of reasoning is simply that he needs to play in actual games, which he's not doing lately. Furthermore, until there's a trade, it seems unlikely that he's going to get a lot of playing time.
This is by no means giving up on him, as he's shown a lot of patience and loyalty to the organization since being drafted. I'm just not sure how sitting in the press box and on the bench is going to help him develop. He deserves better.
December 15 2008, 11:08PM
RobinB. I am not insider and I don't have any inside info, just 27 years of watching hockey, and it was clear to me. I know that you love Oilers and want to help them. One of the ways to help is this site. You should understand and make it clear to everybody that this management is not the right one for the team and the team need change of management. I just used Schremp as an exemple because he is not important and if he is realy not good for the team then so be it. But there are many others, like Deslauriers, who are not playing, the stupid draft picks, ideotic trades. You know about it better then I do but you did not make the right conclusions. Use this site to get change.
December 15 2008, 11:17PM
Leonard wrote:
I know that you love Oilers and want to help them. One of the ways to help is this site.
December 15 2008, 11:29PM
Just forget it.
December 16 2008, 12:44AM
Chicago has rebuilt through the Entry Draft from 2002-07 better than any other team I can think of.
Pittsburgh? Whitney, Christensen, Talbot, Fleury, Carcillo, Malkin, Kennedy, Crosby, Letang, Staal have all had an impact from the 2002-07 drafts, and a bunch of other guys have had cups of coffee, or were used as trade-bait (the rapidly imploding Angelo Esposito being the most obvious case).
Of course, Pittsburgh was even worse on the ice than Chicago was, but they racked up some talent in that five year span.
December 16 2008, 01:01AM
Leonard wrote:
You should understand and make it clear to everybody that this management is not the right one for the team and the team need change of management.
Personally, I prefer it when journalists use a little discretion with their soapbox. There's a place for analysis, and for opinion, but I've got a sneaking suspicion that for a connected guy like Brownlee, making sweeping statements ("this entrie management group is made up of idiots") is a good way to get unconnected fast.
Besides which, the fact that the NHL system rewards gross incompetence should tell you that the Oilers track record has been mediocre, not grossly bad.
Leonard wrote:
But there are many others, like Deslauriers, who are not playing, the stupid draft picks, ideotic trades. You know about it better then I do but you did not make the right conclusions. Use this site to get change.
The Oilers scouting staff under Kevin Lowe has done a good job. Given that the current chief scout only got the job in September 2007, it's a little early to hire someone else.
Finally, Daryl Katz isn't running a democracy. OilersNation can say whatever it wants; Katz will make his own decisions, and so on down the line - and that's how it should be.
December 16 2008, 01:06AM
Also, 100 points to any commenter who:
a) thinks the Oilers scouting staff is awful b) can name the three scouting heads who have served the position under Kevin Lowe c) can identify the ineligible player selected by the Oilers at the 2002 draft and d) can name four different Oilers amateur scouts
Basically, my point is that the guys you hear brandishing their tomahawks and screaming for blood are generally the same guys who don't have a clue as to who is scouting, which players they picked, or what the average NHL team manages at the draft.
It takes a good scouting staff to do as well as the Oilers have done with their picks. It doesn't take a good scouting staff to pick a Toews, Kane, Crosby or Malkin - any idiot with a THN draft preview could do as well with the first three picks.
@ Jonathan Willis: Let's give them Robin Kovar (oops) of, as I recall, the Vancouver Giants, and they can guess the rest.
Also, you're right about picking as high as Chicago has -- if you tank it every year and can't get it right with a top 3 or top 5 pick, you really should find another line of work.
December 16 2008, 07:39AM
nary a kurri wrote:
Okay, my obvious mistake in calling Deslauriers stats mediocre notwithstanding, is there a real threat to loose him through the waiver wire if he was sent down? My line of reasoning is simply that he needs to play in actual games, which he's not doing lately. Furthermore, until there's a trade, it seems unlikely that he's going to get a lot of playing time. This is by no means giving up on him, as he's shown a lot of patience and loyalty to the organization since being drafted. I'm just not sure how sitting in the press box and on the bench is going to help him develop. He deserves better.
Edmonton's triple-threat in goal has been kept preety hush-hush; almost as tight-lipped a secret as Brian Burke relocating to Toronto (like, who knew?). It stands to reason, then, that teams heading into the Christmas break with goalie trouble would be likely to overlook a young goalie with a current NHL .915%; those teams would probably look to the more conventional routes, like trading some assets for the .919 Khabibulin at the bargain salary of 6.75M.
December 16 2008, 08:10AM
@ Ender the Dragon:
Oh, fer sure!
Willis' Dad must be on that scouting staff...
December 16 2008, 08:59AM
@ Chris:
Jonathan has written numerous articles (with actual research and numbers and stuff) that illustrate that the Oilers have scouted with at least an average if not better than avererage record during the K-Lowe regime. He's compared their picks to those of numerous other teams, and while the draft is always a win-some / lose-some animal, the Oilers have landed more than they've let get away. Willis has taken a lot of hours to show us that the Oilers draft record is fine and that it's only the unrealistic expectation of Edmonton fans that has built a gruge against Oilers brass for not bringing in 8 of the top 10 guys from every draft in the last 6 years. I suggest that if you spent as many hours as Willis did to prova a point, you'd be touchy about 'uninformed' fans saying something contrary as well.
December 16 2008, 09:22AM
Jonathan Willis wrote:
I'll take the Jon Willis Tuesday Morning Challenge Also, 100 points to any commenter who: a) thinks the Oilers scouting staff is awful Me. Also, Mike Abbamont. b) can name the three scouting heads who have served the position under Kevin Lowe Scout Willis, Lord Robert Baden Powell, Al Griffin (note: these are all real people and applicable to your question) c) can identify the ineligible player selected by the Oilers at the 2002 draft Trick question. A: Grebeshkov picked 18th by a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD scouting report out of LA d) can name four different Oilers amateur scouts That's easy. I'll go Dennis, Ender the Dragon, Towel Boy and Nary a Kurri
December 16 2008, 09:29AM
@ Wanye Gretz:
100 points!
December 16 2008, 09:34AM
@ RobinB:
The Duncan Keith pick stands out for the 'Hawks - he's a heck of a player, especially given draft position.
Leonard; You need to explain this hard-on you have for Schremp. Did you think this kid was going to be the second coming of Sidney Crosby? Do you see him as a franchise saver or a guy you build a team around for years? If he is anything more than a potential 3rd, or 2nd line at best, scorer then why did he get passed over 24 times in the draft before the Oilers took him? He has the potential to be a useful part of a team but he isn't going to lead us anywhere. He is small, quick and has offensive talent...sounds like a good chunk of our forwards. Big numbers in junior mean squawt (see Jason Bonsignor) and videos on YouTube flipping the puck over your head and into the net mean even less. Schremp gets more press then he deserves for what he might bring to this team. I'm not a fan of coach Mac T but Rob Schremp not playing here is not why this team is inconsistant and soft on most nights.
If you need proof that fans are fickle you need to look no further than any fan site for the Oilers.
This summer: "Souray is a bum and so is Moreau, let's trade 'em". If Lowe would have traded any of the kids in the summer, then people would scream for his head.
Now it's "trade the kids, they are too small and not gritty enough". It seems no one wants to touch big gritty guys on the roster anymore, but in the summer two of the biggest grittiest guys were expendable.
I know that Oilers management has made mistakes, but they make far more good decisions than bad, and they have been dealt some pretty tough hands to play cards with (Pronger, Comrie, Free Agent Crap).
Hind sight is twenty-twenty (see Glencross/Hossa), and as fans we have the right and duty to be critical, but let's be somewhat reasonable here. Things can change on a dime, and if they move too quickly they could miss "the best deal". Has anyone else noticed that other GM's in the league aren't making any moves right now? I think that in a mood like this the Oilers woudl have to give up too much to make a move, so I would prefer they didn't.
If they wait 10-15 games there will be more ears listening and more impatience in the air and that makes for bad decisions, which Tambo/Lowe will want to take advantage of. The Oilers are still very much in the hunt, so why rush it.
I want the three headed monster put to rest. I want them to make some decisions on which little forwards stay and which go, but I want them to be good decisions so I am happy to see management being patient. Haste makes waste and all that.
December 16 2008, 09:59AM
Jonathan Willis wrote:
Also, 100 points to any commenter who: a) thinks the Oilers scouting staff is awful b) can name the three scouting heads who have served the position under Kevin Lowe c) can identify the ineligible player selected by the Oilers at the 2002 draft and d) can name four different Oilers amateur scouts
I'll forfeit the points as I fail with option a), but I'll take your challenge on the rest for fun:
b) Stu McGregor, Kevin Prendergast, Barry Fraser
c) Robin Kovar
d) Bob Brown, Bill Dandy, Kent Hawley, Brad Davis, & Kent Nilsson
And I agree with you: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.
RobinB wrote:
Chicago has rebuilt through the Entry Draft from 2002-07 better than any other team I can think of.
Washington too has had a pretty good run of picks due to shitanusly bad seasons. Given how well they've played during their rash of injuries, I'd say they will be ok for a few years. Can't argue with Ovie, Semin, Backstrom... From TSN: (1997-2003) 1st rnd Draft Choices: 7yrs - 7 draft picks - 6 NHL Players = 85.7% success rate
Total: 7yrs - 22 draft picks - 8 NHL Players = 36.3% success rate in first 3 rounds
@ Cam: Exactly my thoughts. There is strangely little activity going on right now. The fact that fan sites (such as this) are jumping on every single waive indicates two things:
First, there's a definite lack of activity. There are other teams out there with problems, and Chicago is a pretty good example. But there is such a fixation on the wire that it's difficult to move anyone through. I agree with earlier comments, sending down JDD at this point is a bad idea. To many sharks in the water.
Second, it's a buyer's market. We all saw the recent analysis of cap situations. While I would hesitate to say that salaries are the reason for the lack of movement, I feel confident in saying that the lack of deals indicates that terms can't be agreed upon. Do the two go hand-in-hand? Are we in a situation where teams in trouble simply can't make deals for blockbusters?
In short, I think everyone, Oiler's management hopefully included, agrees that the three-headed beast is not ideal. Let's all take a step back, and think about the fact that a hastened move would probably (though not definitely) cause more damage in the long run than we want.
December 16 2008, 10:21AM
@ Ender the Dragon:
Nicely done.
December 16 2008, 10:22AM
Cam wrote:
Hind sight is twenty-twenty (see Glencross/Hossa), and as fans we have the right and duty to be critical, but let's be somewhat reasonable here. Things can change on a dime, and if they move too quickly they could miss "the best deal".
I don't think the Oilers need to apologize about Hossa. They did what they could to bring him in; Hossa said no. What else could we have done; offered to relocate the team to the city of his preference?
Regarding Glencross, yeah, it's easy to point fingers now. For all anyone knew at the time, however, he could just as easily have turned out to be another Brule except that instead of spending the season in the Springfield, he'd have been eating up 1.5M on a one-way deal. If he was sitting in our press-box tonight at that salary and with 2 or 3 points to date, you'd have been just as upset. K-Lowe doesn't need to apologize on that one either; he acted as responsibly as he knew how, and if Glencross hadn't been so childishly impatient, he might be here today. We probably would have spun the wheel on him, but we needed to take care of the big things first. I'd have been WAY more choked if K-Lowe had signed Glencross and then found out that we missed signing Hossa by $1M that we might have had otherwise.
Way to call it like it is JW!
RE Scouting.
It's a fair comment that I haven't devoted the hours that Willis has rationalizing his undying love and support of Oilers Scouting. Get too close to the BS'ers and you end up smelling like BS. Speaking in large generalizations: It is my contention that there has been a philisophical shift in scouting towards small, skilled, and generally unservicable NHL players since about 04; The idea is that in the "NEW NHL" size isn't as key as in years past. Well the "New NHL" could revert to the "OLD NHL" in a hurry and the Oilers will be stuck holding the bag....wait isn't that already happening? Why did Schremp and Reddox have to sit for Stortini and Strudwick Saturday? I know, I know, you pick the best player...not what you need...blah blah blah. Why on earth would you draft players you need?
December 16 2008, 10:54AM
@ Chris: OK, maybe you have something. Can you prove it? Give us, say, 6 examples of the larger type of player that you contend we needed that was available to the Oilers at their position in any given draft and then explain how these individuals are outperforming the players we actually selected. If you can do that, (and I'm not saying you can) then you'll at least have proved that it was in theory possible for a psychic scout to have done better at the draft than he did.
If you can't put up, then . . .
December 16 2008, 10:56AM
Chris wrote:
It's a fair comment that I haven't devoted the hours that Willis has rationalizing his undying love and support of Oilers Scouting. Get too close to the BS'ers and you end up smelling like BS.
Of course, that makes sense. Obviously you wouldn't want to have too much knowledge before you formed an opinion - it might make you seem credible.Chris wrote:
I know, I know, you pick the best player…not what you need…blah blah blah. Why on earth would you draft players you need?
Let's take a look at one Oilers example of your policy - here's the link. Quote:
Best Player Available is still the mantra, but fans won't see another goalie selection in the first round even if the top rated keeper is still available when the Oilers pick at 25. "We would go off that (policy) then," admitted Prendergast. "As much as I love Carey Price, it just wouldn't serve our purpose to take him."
God forbid that a team takes BPA. Draft for need! The Oilers don't need Carey Price - between Dubnyk and Deslauriers they have two bonafide starters!
Picking the player with the best chance at an NHL jon is the only policy that makes sense. Otherwise you get into Soviet-era five-year projection.
@ Ender the Dragon: It's not my job to scout prospects, compare progress etc. That is the scouting staffs job. I'm too busy. As a fan, however, I have noticed a shift in scouting philosophy and am alarmed by it. When Prendergast took over scouting, for the first three years, he tended to draft large physical players (Stortini, David Rohlfs, J.F. Jacques). Many of these picks were deemed by fans and pundits as busts. Prenergast under pressure did exactly what was right for his career (and wrong for the Oilers); He started down an easier path: drafting small players. It's easier to draft a small player with potential because many teams (for good reason) won't. So all us morons in Oilerland can rejoice and celebrate Predergasts genius watching U Tube Schremp videos for three years never realizing that all this skill on a small body isn't servicable in the NHL. Linus Omark will be the same. Believe it! Now to justify their record Oilers Scouts talk of the "NEW NHL". I say B.S. MacT has to scramble to ice a physically competeative lineup, the kid line is ineffective, and there is little on the farm. Sure our scouts have thier reasons... I call them excuses.
December 16 2008, 11:18AM
@ Chris:
Tell you what - I'll watch Andrew Cogliano's NHL career. Meanwhile, you can watch youtube videos of David Rohlfs (can you even get youtube videos of Rohlfs?), content with the knowledge that despite all the evidence, that's the way to draft.
December 16 2008, 11:23AM
Chris wrote:
@ Ender the Dragon: It's not my job to scout prospects, compare progress etc.
For a guy who's job it's not, you seem to have an awful lot of opinions on Oiler's scouting based on moonbeams and fairydust. If you're going to offer the opinion that you know more than the professionals, then you had better be able to show that you know more than they do. Any asshat can point to 100+ players that were drafted and never panned out in the NHL. You prove nothing by doing that except what your level of capability is.
December 16 2008, 11:23AM
Jonathan Willis wrote:
@ Chris: Tell you what - I'll watch Andrew Cogliano's NHL career. Meanwhile, you can watch youtube videos of David Rohlfs (can you even get youtube videos of Rohlfs?), content with the knowledge that despite all the evidence, that's the way to draft.
Can I watch Thundercats while you guys watch all this? Man, I love that show.
Ender the Dragon wrote:
For a guy who's job it's not, you seem to have an awful lot of opinions on Oiler's scouting based on moonbeams and fairydust. If you're going to offer the opinion that you know more than the professionals
Thanks. My opinion is invalid.
As For Willis. Rohlfs was a bust...drafted by your man Prendergast...
Willis you are proving my point. Oilers scouting can't pick good prospects with size/ grit. So they draft Schremp and Cogliano and you rejoyce!
Let me dumb down what I said.
Three years of failure drafting big players.
Three years of medium success drafting small ie (Cogliano)
Predergast's job safe.
Future Oilers Teams screwed.
December 16 2008, 11:44AM
Chris wrote:
Oilers scouting can't pick good prospects with size/ grit. So they draft Schremp and Cogliano and you rejoyce!
Sheesh, man. I don't suppose, of course, that you can cite even one example of who they should drafted instead of Cogliano or Schremp? Just one. That's not asking too much of you, is it? Just one reason why a single person should listen to a single word you say.
December 16 2008, 11:52AM
Chris wrote:
Let me dumb down what I said.
If it get's much dumber, there's no point in sending it as we won't be able to read it.
They have drafted plenty of players big and small, and it seems only the smaller ones have worked out - though in the first rounds it always seems we get little guys.
The mantra at the draft is to take the best player available at the time. That includes big and small or European or North American or whatever specifications you want in place.
Since it usually takes three years for a draft pick to be ready for the NHL (there are obviously exceptions), you don't know what the makeup of your tea is going to be by that time. Three years ago no one would have dreamed that we would lack grit. You grow assets through the draft and what you do with those assets is up to the GM (trade em or play em)
@ Ender I don't think the Oilers have to apologize about Gelncross either, but in hindsight if they had known Hossa wasn't going to come here they probably would have gotten a deal done with Glencross. I was just giving an example of how easy it is to see in things clearly in hindsight.
@ Ender the Dragon:
I apologize for offering a dissenting opinion. Since I'm unwilling to play your game of offering up names of various prospects for you to in turn criticize etc... my observations AS A FAN are completely invalid. I'm not nor have ever claimed to be a pro scout...I'm not suggesting that I could ever be a better pro scout than Predergast and his 12 disciples. I do, however believe that better scouting staffs exist in this league and maybe Katz should offer up a boat load of cash to steal personnel away from organizations like Buffalo, or Detroit.
You and bloggers like you are the reason many people choose not to offer up any opinions at all.
Oy, this debate between Ender and Chris is revolting. It makes me want to puke, blahhh...
Please note, everyone on these intertube-bloggy discussion thingies is an ignorant neophyte to some degree. That is, if you tell people who don't know everything about Oiler scouting to not post about scouting, then there's no Oilersnation.
But please also note that the basic idea of Jonathon's '100 point chalenge' is correct, even though he overstated his point; criticisms of scouting -or anything else for that matter- should be thoughtful and not just empty cries of disdain. For example, "We coulda had Parise... oh man...." is not worth my time to read. But a brief note about some prospect you liked or like still would be quite interesting
Anyway, all of this is obvious to civil people.
December 16 2008, 12:50PM
@ Chris: An opinion is fine if you can offer up something to defend it intelligently. For example, let's say I offered you my opinion that the moon is made of green cheese. After all, who hasn't heard that, right? Now, I'm aware that there are these so-called 'professionals' at NASA who claim differently and say they've actually been there (As if.) and I thought about calling them out. I thought about doing a little research beforehand, that way, if they tried to discredit my source and prove that Mother Goose doesn't in fact have credible knowledge of the composition of the moon, then I could, as a mature and open-minded individual, rethink my position before I responded and not feel like NASA was attacking me. That seemed like a lot of work, though, and it's not my job to look this stuff up. Conversely, if I were to do no research whatever and simply offer my own opinion (to hell with looking up everything a damned Goose had to say), then NASA might have no choice but to attempt to discredit me, but good luck with that . . .
Ender: "Where is that dead horse, I'm gonna kick its ass."
December 16 2008, 01:00PM
@ kris: Fair enough.


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Ny! Re: Obama is missing!
Bra innlegg, James! Takk. Det er nå lagt ut på
Skip to comments.Obama is missing!
Posted on 12/02/2008 12:40:03 PM PST by wannabegeek
I stick to the facts, not dumbass conspiracy theories.
The only thing that I know for sure with regard to Barack Obama is that he was born of a jackal.
Those who voted for him, for the most part, were playing 'affirmative action' to promote a black guy to the presidency, reagrdless of eligibility or qualification. And the fifth column enemedia swept the little Chicago squirrel along to get their dream Marxist into office. Bastards
Exactly. Best advice I can give anyone now is prepare for survival.
"Sorry, bucko. I dont accept your premise or your attempt to equate Reagan with a buncha kook ideas.
Obama won the election. Get over it and get on with it. Youd be better off putting your energy into advancing the conservative agenda and working to get conservatives elected in 2010."
Why am I not surprised, ye who calls himself "Reagan Man" but is not fit to shine Reagan's shoes.
This isn't about Obama winning the election. For you to even make that statement shows that you aren't well-informed on the issue of Obama's birth certificate.
Now I realize some people can't do more than one thing at the same time and perhaps you fall into that category. As for me, I am able to follow this issue and fight for the truth and still be able to work at advancing the conservative agenda and working towards 2010.
If we took your advice, we'd all be living in the future and not dealing with the important issues of today.
Man, what kind of Presidential library is this con artist going to have? Pictures of Michelle?
Not really. It just seems too crazy for logical thinkers to initially get their arms and mind around. The cases before the Supreme Court are real. Why is there a media blackout?
If you follow these threads, there are a lot who say, "At first, I didn't think there was anything to this, but ..." or, "I thought it was some fringe conservative conspiracy.."
The evidence (or, lack of evidence) is overwhelming. He needs to show the damn Birth Certificate.
Manchurian Candidate.
Bush never tried to defend anything.
He is an alien from outer space like Tom Cruise.
i wonder if well get his medical records ... birthmarks, for example, might be interesting to know about.
Ooooh....blood type: jackel
Bra innlegg, James! Takk. Det er nå lagt ut på
Not one of your posts on this thread has even the appearance of an attempt to state a fact. You must be a loon to suggest that you have.
Y'know, sometimes astronomers know there is something out there, not because they can see it, but because they can see it's affect on other objects.
Based on the affects I am seeing on some people in power, I am very concerned about the power and impact of whatever that "unseen thing" is that is causing that effect.
I'll wait for your answers to my questions, Reagan Man.
I'll even post them here for your convenience:
"Would Reagan care? You bet he would."
"May I ask why you believe that Obama is refusing to provide Americans with his birth certificate?"
"And why has he hidden all of his college and medical records?"
"Also, why dont you care?"
Awesome post!
And I think some were actually hypnotized.
Some, like Evan Thomas of Newsweek, have actually come out of their trance and recognized Obama as the "deeply manipulative" person he is.
On the bright side, Obama has to spend the next four years in terror of the truth leaking out. And it will once his followers become disillusioned by his utterly failed administration.
Okay, does this count as Bork-Bork-Borking Obama?
The O-zone, that is...
Our president is not the type of personality to berate people, remember whe he finally got to the Whitehouse he never responded to the critics of Clintons and the disgraceeful way they departed.
He crossed the "aisle" let Kennedy write the "No Child left behind" but Bush was criticized for it, the democrats said he didnt fund it, well, it is congress's job to fund not the presidents.
I agree he was too much of "turn the other cheek" maybe he took that a bit too seriously.
I too voted twice, first time because Gore scared me to death, second time because of the war, I was never a total fan of Bush's but he was what we had, he should have been given more respect, maybe just a few encouraging words would have helped.
I do agree also he did a poor job in addressing issues to the people he just doesn't have that talent.
That's easy. I'll give you three! The first three sentences are off the wall and are more in tune with idiotic malcontents, not intelligent or rationale thought processes of any real conservatives I know.
>>>>Obama is missing!
>>>>The American People Demand to Know:
Obama isn't missing, he's in our faces every day and if we don't work hard, he's gonna remain in our faces for 8 long years! The America people aren't demanding to know anything about Obama. They know all there is to know. 54% of Americans elected him the next POTUS. That last statement is rhetorical nonsense.
Obama is a hardcore lefty who will promote socialism for America. Conservatives need to continue to confront and fight liberal socialism. All these conspiracy threads are a pure waste of time and energy.
Ping. Maybe they'll let me go home soon.
Ignoring the BS claim that one was found in Kenya, I'll point out that of all the documents you listed this is the only one with any relevance because it goes to the question of his Constitutional eligibility to be president. None of the other documents you mentioned, not a single one of them, need be produced under any circumstances.
We need to spam all the sponsors of these newstations and tell them we are not purchasing thier products anymore..they will pull the plug on all these newspeople.
Even so , Lord Jesus, come.
Amen! Maranatha!
Oh how I wish it would be < before > we have to live under Obama's 'reign.'
First of all I said nothing to promote any of those statements. Secondly; attacking the rhetorical flourishes and ignoring the substantive statements in the article is meaningless. Kind of like playing the Noobie Card instead of addressing a real point.
I hear you. Just using a little high lighter on it.
can anyone say Mob (aka union) assisted coverup?
You want to MoveOn, you go right ahead. Just quit trying to demoralize those of us who clearly see the constitutional crisis in this matter.
You're sick -— you've contracted whatever has infected the author -— Skrevet av Sigurd Mellqvist!
Seek help! LOL
Who or what is Obama? Reminds me of that Paul Shanklin skit of Larry King interviewing James Carvile and Ken Starr.
Carvell: "He's not even a real man. He's a space alien Larry. A space alien from mars here to kill yo' babies."
More substanceless flame bait. Get a new shtick.
These people that say "screw fighting" - we are better served looking to the future...I drop the BS Flag on that - there is no future unless we fight for the Constitution.
Talk about the Hear No Evil crowd...they need another website!!!
LOL Are you that weak?
I'm not demoralizing anyone.
Just using my Constitutional right of free speech in pointing out what a bunch of flakes you conspiratorial types are.
When do we take OUR country back???
Where have we heard that before?
Little Sir Barack will not answer you
Oh, won't you come over and play?
You're a dear little fellow
We know by your voice
But your own world is so far away
Hell, he thinks he's better than Little Sir Echo......
Particularly about his early upbringing. One of these days, all of these lies will catch up with him and his crystal palace will come crashing down.
The sooner the better.
Some of us have been watching your posts in breathless anticipation, just waiting for you to tell us "the truth".
Obama's Medical records are sealed and have been.
And that people are willing to let him get away with whatever he wants...CUZ WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
Right now we have two years to meet the next major objective for conservatives. You want to fight Obama, break away from your PC and get out in the real world. Work to get conservative Republicans elected to the House and Senate in 2010.
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Whitefish Bay — A volunteer fundraising committee is asking for donations to help rebuild the dilapidated "back yard" area at Richards Elementary School.
A two phase plan is set to begin in the spring. In the first phase, the existing tennis court area will be demolished replaced with the "Richards Athletic Court," composed of three tennis courts, three half-court basketball courts, several foursquare and hopscotch grids and backboards for kids to throw and kick balls against, according to a news release from the fundraising committee.
Phase two will focus on improvements to the existing playground equipment at Richards.
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More information is available at "Richards Athletic Court" on Facebook or by contacting committee co-chairs Carol Fairborn at (414) 241-4086 and Leah Schneider at (414) 559-4397.
Neighborhood Loan Program seeks more duplex conversion funds
Shorewood —Funds in Shorewood's Neighborhood Loan Program budget will be reallocated to provide more assistance for duplex to single family conversion projects.
The Village Board on Tuesday approved reallocating $20,000 from the down payment assistance loan fund to the duplex conversion loan fund, as requested by the program, bringing the remaining duplex loan funds to $21,975 and leaving $8,000 in down payment assistance funds.
In addition to down payment assistance and duplex conversion loans, the Neighborhood Loan Program currently offers attic improvement loans, and previously offered exterior maintenance loans as well. Duplex and attic loans are offered at a maximum of $20,000 each, while down payment assistance loans do not exceed $4,000 each. Since the program was established in 2009, it has approved 28 loans in the total amount of more than $400,000.
Nicolet senior
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Glendale — Nicolet High School senior Sarah Murphy won an honorable mention from the National YoungArts Foundation, according to a district news release.
With the win, Murphy takes home a $500 prize and the chance to win an award from the U.S. President Scholars in the Arts, the country's top award for young artists.
Murphy was among 687 winners chosen from about 11,000 applicants.
Students win big
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Mequon — In the 2014 Scholastic Art Awards, 23 Mequon-Thiensville students took home a combined total of 33 awards, according to a district news release. Their projects will be on display at the Milwaukee Art Museum from Feb. 1 to March 16.
Visual artists and art professionals chose 375 winners from a pool of more than 2,000 entries from students in the region. The following Mequon-Thiensville students won awards:
From Homestead: Amanda Albright, Jessanna Clark, Maximillian Henry, Victoria Hessling, Kayla Matocky, Collin Murray, Clare O'Malley, Nicole Pinzer, Adrian Rimmer, Dara Schuman, Sveta Tenges and Angellia Yang.
From Lake Shore Middle School: Silma Berrada, Anthony Kimm, Caitlin Geurts, Leah Neusen, Eliza Imbrie, Isabella Sciffidi and Clara Huskin.
From Steffen Middle School: Christopher Aceto, Sophie Ng, Avery Orosz and Erin Carley.
Village creates public art fund
Shorewood — Shorewood now has a special revenue fund in place to support the goals of its Public Art Program.
The Village Board on Tuesday approved a resolution establishing the fund, at the recommendation of the Budget and Finance Committee. Trustee Michael Maher explained that the fund is intended to support the Public Art Program and Committee, as established by the village in 2011.
The purpose of the committee, according to the description on the village's website, is to recommend policies and guidelines for the planning and implementation of a formal, phased program for selecting artist/design professionals and for designing and placing public art throughout the village.
In a separate motion, the board also approved a resolution transferring the net proceeds from the 2013 Plein Air painting event and exhibition, in the amount of about $13,477, to the Public Art Program fund for future use, as well as $2,500 in property tax support from Village Celebrations to the fund to support 2014 programming activities. The funds are to be spent only on public art activities authorized by the Village Board, Maher said. All donations and other revenue received from activities designated to support the Public Art Program will go to the fund.
Maher said the Public Art Committee is expected to report to the Village Board in February with a proposed budget for the fund.
Shorewood schedule
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Shorewood — The school district recently launched an online survey to poll parents potential scheduling changes like later school start times and calendar changes.
The survey is part of a committee process that will culminate in presentations and possible recommendations to the School Board in the coming months.
District residents can take the survey online at: surveymonkey.com/s/shorewoodcalendarsurvey.
Water main improvements planned for Oakland, DPW yard
Shorewood —Shorewood will contract with Clark Dietz for design services for the reconstruction of problem water main segments in the 3700 block of Oakland Avenue and within the village's Public Works yard.
The Village Board on Tuesday approved entering into a design services agreement with Clark Dietz in the amount of $8,300, with the water main relays to be completed with upcoming 2014 street reconstruction and Basin 6 sewer projects.
The 2014 capital projects fund budget estimates improvement costs at $145,000 for Oakland Avenue and $125,000 for the DPW yard. Per staff recommendation, the engineering would be performed by Clark Dietz with the project bid as alternates to both the Murray Reconstruction Program and the Basin 6 Phase II Program, with the water main relays to be awarded with the project providing the most advantage to the village.
NSFD funding
formula ratified
River Hills — The River Hills Village Board last week approved a new North Shore Fire Department funding formula, effective 2016. They were the last NSFD member community to ratify the agreement, and with their approval, the new formula has passed all the necessary hurdles.
Throughout November and December the formula was approved in Shorewood, Whitefish Bay, Glendale, Fox Point, Brown Deer and Bayside.
River Hills Village President Bob Brunner was the only board member to vote against the formula last week.
"I recognize that the village is going to support it, but I think it was an arbitrary decision to change the allocation formula for costs," Brunner said. "Unfortunately it's not going to be a positive thing for River Hills residents.
"I think the big issue here has been whether the focus should be on who shares the cots and not on the department, unfortunately the debate has really been on the department for the most part."
Village to replace two squad cars this year
Fox Point — The Fox Point Village Board last week gave Police Chief Tom Czaja authority to purchase two new squads this year at a cost of $55,596. One squad will be a Ford NGPI interceptor all-wheel drive utility vehicle; the other is a Ford Expedition.
The village had allocated $70,790 toward the purchase of the two squads, which will replace vehicles that have notched between 70,000 and 75,000 miles.
Czaja solicited bids from three dealers. Thiensville-based Schmit Ford provided the lowest quotation.
Fox Point outlines its 2014 emerald ash borer management plan
Fox Point — Wachtel Tree Science, the firm contracted to perform forestry services in Fox Point, will be given $12,500 to conduct treatments aimed at eliminating the threat of the emerald ash borer disease.
The Village Board approved the expense last week at the recommendation of Director of Public Works Scott Brandmeier. In addition to treating existing ash trees, Wachtel will remove any plantings that are vulnerable to the condition, which is known to ravage large amounts of the species.
Fox Point to host family friendly 'winter blast' program Jan. 31
Fox Point — Plans for a first-ever, community-oriented event known as Winter Blast are moving forward following passage of a resolution last week by the Fox Point Village Board.
Festivities will include skating demonstrations, a meet-and-greet with the Milwaukee Admirals' mascot Roscoe, a viewing of the Schlitz Audubon Nature Center's Birds of Prey exhibit and the serving of hot chocolate and cookies.
The event, being sponsored by the Fox Point Foundation and Cornerstone Community Bank, is from 6 to 8:30 p.m. Jan. 31 at the Longacre Pavilion and adjacent ice skating rink, 7343 N. Longacre Road.
Village to recognize International Migratory Bird Day
Fox Point — An event recognizing International Migratory Bird Day is expected to take place May 3, following passage of a resolution last week by the Fox Point Village Board.
As part of the resolution, the board goes on record as backing the events held across the country to support the more than 350 bird species that travel between nesting habitats in this area and traverse to southern climates in the winter.
Further details of the village's participation in International Migratory Bird Day are pending.
Nicolet senior wins
$1,000 in science competition
Glendale — Nicolet senior Bertrand Stone is an Intel Science Talent Search 2014 semifinalist.
One of 300 semifinalists selected from a pool of nearly 1,800 entrants, Stone wins $1,000 for himself and the same amount for Nicolet for teaching and support excellence, according to a district news release.
Stone may be able to present his winning project, "Characterization of the Line Complexity of Cellular Automata Generated by Polynomial Transition Rules," in Washington D.C. in March if he advances to a group of 40 finalists.
In spring 2013, Stone was a Siemens Competition semifinalist and spent the summer researching at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology on a scholarship.
Kindergarten registration
Mequon — The Mequon-Thiensville School District will hold 2014-15 school year kindergarten registration from 1-6 p.m. on March 19 and 20.
According to a district news release, children who will be five years old by Sep. 1 are eligible.
Parents should bring proof of residency, their child's immunization records, and their child's birth certificate. More information is available at (262) 238-8514 and the district website, mtsd.k12.wi.us.
Real estate blog features
four North Shore communities
North Shore communities claim four of the top six spots in Movoto Blog's "10 Best Places In Wisconsin" list, with the city of Mequon ranking first in the state.
Based on the criteria of amenities, quality of life, crime, taxes, unemployment, commute time, and weather, the real estate blog ranked Mequon first, Brown Deer third, Fox Point fourth, and Whitefish Bay sixth among 130 Wisconsin municipalities.
Mequon was noted for its quality of life, low crime and unemployment rates, and average summer temperature. Brown Deer was highlighted for a low crime rate and available amenities. Due to its state-leading overall quality of life, lack of crime, and climate Fox Point was honored, while Whitefish Bay made the cut for its high level of amenities and quality of life.
NSFD creates
retirement fund
The North Shore Fire Department Board of Directors last week passed a resolution which creates a retirement benefit fund.
The resolution puts in writing a concept the board has discussed since 2012: socking money away each year in order to fund employee retirement benefits over the long-term.
"It formalizes that the fund has to be used for post employment retirement expenses unless the board takes action to change that," Fire Chief Robert Whitaker said.
Jewish Federation partners
with One Happy Camper
Milwaukee — The Milwaukee Jewish Federation has partnered with One Happy Camper to help local children attend a Jewish overnight camp with $1,000 grants for first-time campers.
In order to enable as many children as possible to experience the power of Jewish camp, the MJF provides grants of up to $1,000 to families with children attending nonprofit Jewish overnight camp for the first time through the One Happy Camper program in partnership with the Foundation for Jewish Camp.
Families with children attending one of more than 150 nonprofit Jewish overnight camps — including Steve & Shari Sadek Family Camp Interlaken, Camp Ramah Wisconsin, Camp Young Judaea Midwest, Olin-Sang Ruby Union Institute, Gan Israel Michigan and more — for their first summer may receive a grant regardless of need or background. Families can find camps and apply for grants by visiting OneHappyCamper.org.
Health Department
hosts screenings
The North Shore Health Department is hosting adult health risk screenings Feb. 19 at the Brown Deer location, 4800 W. Green Brook Drive, and Feb. 25 at the Shorewood location, 2010 E. Shorewood Blvd. The program includes a blood analysis for total cholesterol, blood pressure and weight check, plus a consultation with a registered nurse. The cost is $30.
Free blood pressure screenings will also be offered Feb. 5 at the Whitefish Bay Community Center, 5205 N. Lydell Ave., room 17; Jan. 28 and Feb. 25 at the North Shore Library, 6800 N. Port Washington Road in Glendale; and Feb. 26 in Shorewood.
Call (414) 371-2980 to schedule an appointment.
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Yeah, we came this far only to lose. I still love the Tigers though and we'll get em next season. Hopefully we'll win ONE game and not get swept.
The Giants were nice last night too, I won't lie.
What do you think about the Yankees though? Will they make it to the finals again anytime soon?
Yankees are done. A-Rod is a joke, Jeter is good but how many years he got left? Being an A's fan I have been waiting years for teams like the Yankees, Boston, and Texas to do bad. Might have a year or 2 window where that's the case... until they start buying up the entire league (and our players) again.
And as much as I hated the Tigers for beating us, I do like them. Leyland also had good things to say about the A's. Verlander was humble in the game 5 win. Detroit will get another chance for sure.
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Edinburgh have named their strongest available side for their Heineken Cup opener against Saracens on Saturday.
The Scottish club were unbeaten at home in the competition last season, winning a clean sweep of pool games before knocking four-time former champions, Toulouse, out of the quarter-final to become the first Scottish side to make the semis.
Head coach Michael Bradley has made six changes to the starting line-up, with Scottish and Welsh internationalists Tom Brown and Richie Rees returning to start at full-back and scrum-half, in place of the injured Greig Tonks and Chris Leck, who moves to the replacements bench.
Between Brown and Rees starts a familiar Scottish back division of captain Greig Laidlaw, centres Matt Scott and Nick De Luca, and wide men Lee Jones and Tim Visser, who contributed seven of the club's nineteen-try haul last year.
Up front Bradley has handed the starting berths to props John Yapp and Willem Nel, who pack down either side of Scotland captain Ross Ford.
Grant Gilchrist and Sean Cox start in the second-row, with the forwards completed by flankers Ross Rennie and David Denton, with Stuart McInally at number eight.
Meanwhile, Saracens have recalled Mako Vunipola, Schalk Brits, Mouritz Botha, Kelly Brown, Brad Barritt, Chris Ashton and Alex Goode to their starting line-up. Ernst Joubert misses the game through injury.
On the bench, George Kruis and Andy Saull continue their comebacks from injury with Owen Farrell, John Smit, Rhys Gill and Chris Wyles among those also named as replacements.
The teams:
Edinburgh: 15 Tom Brown, 14 Lee Jones, 13 Nick De Luca, 12 Matt Scott, 11 Tim Visser, 10 Greig Laidlaw (capt), 9 Richie Rees, 8 Stuart McInally, 7 Ross Rennie, 6 David Denton, 5 Sean Cox, 4 Grant Gilchrist, 3 Willem Nel, 2 Ross Ford, 1 John Yapp.
Replacements: 16 Andy Titterrell, 17 Allan Jacobsen, 18 Geoff Cross, 19 Robert McAlpine, 20 Netani Talei, 21 Chris Leck, 22 Harry Leonard, 23 Dougie Fife.
Saracens: 15 Alex Goode, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Joel Tomkins, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 David Strettle, 10 Charlie Hodgson, 9 Richard Wigglesworth, 8 Jackson Wray, 7 Will Fraser, 6 Kelly Brown, 5 Mouritz Botha, 4 Steve Borthwick (capt), 3 Matt Stevens, 2 Schalk Brits, 1 Mako Vunipola.
Replacements: 16 John Smit, 17 Rhys Gill, 18 Petrus du Plessis, 19 George Kruis, 20 Andy Saull, 21 Neil de Kock, 22 Owen Farrell, 23 Chris Wyles.
Date: Saturday, October 13
Kick-off: 13:35 BST
Venue: Murrayfield
Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Assistant referees: Michael Black (Ireland), Olly Hodges (Ireland)
Television match official: Peter Ferguson (Ireland)
Timekeeper: John Montgomery (Scotland)
Assessor: Jim Fleming (Scotland)
Citing commissioner: Maurizio Vancini (Italy)


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Flying in the face of conventional wisdom, your first impression of me here on FlamesNation is unlikely to be a good one. Let's face it: introductions are boring. And that's all I have for you at this point. In fact, you should stop reading right here...
For those who made it past my self-deprecation there, welcome! I'm Kent Wilson and I've been doing this (blogging) for a few years now. Wanye and crew came to me this summer with the hopes of enlisting me for a sister site to OilersNation and, after numerous discussions, promises, bribes and walks on the beach, I agreed to jump aboard. Then I waited around for about five months. And here we are.
I started blogging for a lot of reasons: the drugs, the money, the women. But mostly it was because I love to complain. Loudly and with much rending of hair and clothing. I figured I'd start publishing my bitch-fests on the off-chance someone else felt the same way. Or wanted to fight about it. Both have proven true over the years.
As such, I'm not much of a pom-pom waver. In fact, my implicit standing assumption is "Things should be better than this." I'm still a fan, an avid fan to be sure, but not one prone to fostering excuses, nor do I engage in much hero-worship. I'm uninterested in cults of personality. "In Sutter I trust" only as far as he seems to be getting the job done. In fact, I tend to look for reasons why things may not be as good as they seem (or are worse than you thought) and will tend toward positivity only when I've satisfied my own overly stringent standards.
Not that I'm without my own biases and preconceptions. The good news is I'm unapologetic about my idiosyncrasies and tend to state them plainly and up front. I will engage you in protracted arguments spanning days or weeks in the comments if you disagree with me -- that's why this stuff is so fun, right?
What else? I drink. I womanize. I make outrageous claims like "I invented the question mark." I also pilfer quotes from popular films and shows and pretend they're my own. Finally, I like to anger Oilers fans, which is probably why Wanye and company invited me on board; it certainly isn't because of my sunny disposition.
For a more in-depth look at who I am and (perhaps) why I'm here, check out my humble blog here. The link will take you to some of my previous "greatest hits" as judged by me and some other extremely intelligent people.
Anyways, again, welcome. Welcome to the Flames fans that find their way here, primed and ready to rumble. And welcome to Oilers fans who come here curious to know what it's like to cheer for team that wins once in while.
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I'd give it 4 stars out of a slightly larger number of stars.
So you're maintaining that your keyboard was sticky because of *syrup*?
Im not sure the audience is wider yet...
and I could have sworn the rapture was labeled as a greatest hit. Hmm....
February 02 2009, 09:45AM
"Then I waited around for about five months. And here we are."
And it would have been sooner but again - I spilled syrup on my keyboard and it took awhile to destickify. It's up now ain't it? AIN'T IT?
*runs out of the office and down the hall crying*
So overall Kent how do you think the season is going for the Flames so far?
Kent wrote:
I'd give it 4 stars out of a slightly larger number of stars.
How many more? Like 15? haha
The Flames Rule!! I read fiveholefanatics all the time Kent. It will be exciting to see you here.
February 02 2009, 03:42PM
i can't believe the rapture (nov/07 ?) didn't make the 'greatest hits' cut. mostly because i've never seen it's equal, as far as game outcome predictions, and refer to it occasionally as a masterpiece in the blogging arts.
glad to see you hit a wider audience, so they can enjoy your writing as much as we all (ie: your ol' nerdy blog crew) do.


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Travelling between Grahamstown and the towns of Cradock and Graaff-Reinet (the Eastern Cape's two most-visited Karoo towns), you'll be heading into sheep-farming country, with the occasional dorp rising against the horizon, offering the experience of an archetypal Eastern Cape one-horse outpost. The roads through this vast emptiness are quiet, and lined with rhythmically spaced telephone poles. Dun-coloured sheep, angora goats and the occasional springbok graze on brown stubble, and you'll often see groups of charcoal-and-grey ostriches in the veld. Staying on a farm in this region is a highlight.
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Skip to comments.Is Sarah Palin going to announce she's running for president on September 3?
Posted on 08/20/2011 3:47:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Sarah Palin will run for president, and will announce her candidacy sometime around Labor Day perhaps September 3, when shes scheduled to address a big Tea Party event in Iowa.
Thats what former Bush administration political advisor and all-around GOP smart guy Karl Rove predicts, anyway. In an appearance on Fox News Saturday he said he believes ex-Alaska governor Palin is going to run, in part because of a slick campaign-style video about her trip to the Iowa State Fair released by her PAC last week, and in part because of where shes popping up.
Palin has a schedule next week that looks like that of a candidate, not a celebrity, said Rove.
Rove's not Nostradamus he's been wrong about stuff before. Still, it's possible he's right, and that months nay, years of feverish media speculation are about to end. Will Palin finally say once and for all that shes in it to win it the brass ring of the presidency, that is?
Could be. At the least, it looks like she is fast approaching a make-or-break date, when she will either have to announce, or announce that she is not going to announce a run, lest her coyness exhaust the patience of her faithful.....
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She won't be declaring on 9/3.
Are you on the staff at her PAC?
Is this the same Rove that assured us the '06 midterms were in the bag for the GOP?
The troll is strong with this one..
The only thing Sarah said was that she won't be a candidate when she returns to IA on Sept 3 — she didn't say that she won't be a candidate when she leaves; who knows when she will do it but I wouldn't rule out Sept 3 entirely
Is Sarah Palin going to announce she's running for president on September 3?
If she does then her name can be inserted between Moore and Paul
The Ins
Bachmann .. Cain .. Gringrich .. Greenspon
Huntsman .. Johnson .. Krager .. Martin
McCotter .. McMillan .. Miller .. Moore
Paul .. Perry .. Roemer .. Romney
Santorum .. Wuensche
With Baraq looking more like a sure loser everyday, the rush is on.
The R nominee will likely be the next POTUS and have solid majorities in Congress.
When did Ronald Reagan announce again?
Getting exciting LOL.
I just think she should get in soon....the waters are right and many of her fans (myself included) think she's going to need time to undo and overcome the damage that the lying MSM has done. But I believe she can do it!!
Click on the link below and scroll down to see those crowds.
I believe she will double and treble those numbers in 2012 as a presidential candidate.
I believe she is going to announce on 9/3...and I welcome her into the race and will work as hard as I can to help her win.
MORE IMPORTANTLY....cleanin'em out left & right.
How does Rove get tagged as a guru. He is the man responsible for the 2006 Repub wipeout, along with Bush leaving office with the lowest ratings in history.
And the "architect" barely beat the pathetic JohnKerry with unemployment at 5%. Not to mention losing the pop vote for Algore.
Her negatives are through the roof. Not to say she can't overcome them, but it would be an extremely tough uphill climb.
My guess is she ultimately remains in her role as "king maker" and continues to be a major thorn in Obammy's side.
It's hard to say if she's going to get in this year. I hope she does, but will happily vote for Bachmann in the meantime!
She's the keynote speaker. She IS the spotlight.
If she runs I suspect the RINO faction to go into full meldown mode.
It will be glorious.
They will contort themselves to try to convince us that Sarah has no chance of winning.
November 13th
Excellent! She will further delete the status quo vote.
So says you, Ron Paul supporter! Woo-Hoo!
If remains a "kingmaker" there's no reason to be a thorn in 0bama's side because he won't be in the WH anymore.
November 13, 1979 for the 1980 election.
That's the spirit! She's not running! She won't ever run. Nope. Never, ever, never, ever. Why is everyone getting their hopes up that she's gonna run the country?
Someone is going to have to get it through the thick skulls of those pro-Palin FReeprs that she's only going to sit in the back seat and let RINOs run instead of Conservatives.
Come on fellow anti-Palin FReepers and join with me by saying,
"OH NO SHE WON'T!" and "NO SHE CAN'T!" very loudly!
(Anyone have a Spanish translation for those?)
We need more pessimism here. Seriously! If she runs and wins all of the anti-Palin FReepers need to book a one way ticket to a place brimming with lots of pessimism - Haiti!
Sarah will not have a 'campaign'! She will have a MOVEMENT!
What if she declares her run on 9/11/11?
Maybe we should have a betting pool on what date she'll choose to run.
Captain Kirk's in his own world!
Just tell him...."He's Dead, Jim!"
3 weeks ago he was guaranteeing she wouldn't get in.
Pray for America
It probably has nothing to do with her new video or schedule. A guy as high up on the political food chain as Karl Rove is going to hear a lot of the rumors and information flowing in & out of all the campaigns.
Doubt it. Have read that Huckybee ha$ hi$ rea$ons for $taying out of the conte$t; $eem$ to me that $arah ha$ her$, a$ well.
Let's look again at the races, and about recent history. We can look at the performances of the Establishment Republicans (say, in recent elections), and drill down a bit on this election.
In past elections, (say 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008) we had the following:
2002 -- a year after the 9-11 attacks, and Americans want security, dammit! The GOP gains 8 seats in the House and 2 in the Senate.
2004 -- Presidential Election; the first one after the "Sore Loserman" debacle in Florida in 2000, and the first one after 9-11.
The GOP picks up 3 seats in the House, the Donks lose 2.
The GOP picks up 4 Senate seats, the Donks lose 4.
Bush wins 31 states, but a mere 286 electoral votes, with a bare 50.7% of the popular vote.
2006 -- the Midterm elections for Bush's second term.
The Dems pick up the House, gaining 31 seats, while the GOP loses 30.
The Dems get the Senate, too, winning 6 seats.
This despite the presence of "The Architect" Karl Rove who brags about his detailed knowledge of the ground game.
But (as we will see) he learned his lesson, after a fashion.
2008 -- the annointing of Teh One.
Obama wins 365 electoral votes in 28 states + a single Congressional district in Nebraska. (Nebraska??!!)
The Donks extend their lead in the House, gaining 21 seats.
And in the Senate, they run the table, gaining 8 seats.
The election is marked by numerous unchallenged shenanigans, including voter fraud (voting by felons, votes found in car trunks) in Minnesota, and infamous re-counts in Washington State.
The only thing preventing a total rout is Sarah Palin, who is roundly condemned by the establishment, but targeted by the Dems, after being trashed by advisors lent by the Rockefeller wing of the GOP (as detailed later in Going Rogue).
So, let's look at the record of the Establishment GOP since the first election of George W. Bush (where the victory was so narrow that the Dems complained he was "selected, not elected." (And that, over Clinton's hand-picked successor.)
House: +8 +3 -30 -21 net --> -40
Senate: +2 +4 -6 -8 net --> -8
Heckuva job, Karl.
Compare that to the Tea Parties:
House: +65
Senate: +6
You need to read his posting history before you go angling for the Palin Zot Posse hoss....calling the wolf pack on a fellow travler who simply thinks Sarah won't announce on September 3rd like Yoda the RINO proclaims...oh the horror...the poster must really hate poor Sarah.
Don't you guys have something better to do than sniff ozone at the slightest provocation.
We would if trolls like you would slink back to Cass Sunstein, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and Karl Rove.
Har Har...have yer fun riding the Palin Zot Posse while it lasts.
These things come and go..and nothing stays the same here...maybe you can leave and come back and stir up crap again too...or maybe that is just what you are doing.
In any event...there is no place where the old adage "what comes around goes around" better fits than here
So have a good one on me...folks here got good memories.
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January 21, 2015
Black wingtip dress shoe
"Got these for my husband by ordering online. They were true to size and very comfy. It is the perfect black dress shoe. He is very picky and really liked this shoe."
By: jlc75
October 20, 2014
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