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i try not to post in these forums much because of how i feel towards the game.. but ill tell you a lot is from people who loved star wars galaxies and the freedom that game provided and many were looking for an updated improved version of the original.. but even if you were not expecting that and were expecting a themepark set in the star wars universe for many it still fell flat in so many ways...
Star wars is a huge IP.. one of my favorites of all time.. if a game uses a no name IP and is bad usually no one gives two shits and moves on shortly after release(usually).. but when it's an IP you have grown up with and love you can expect people to be a little more passionate about how they react to it.
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I think a lot of the resentment comes from how things went with SWG when it was destroyed by the NGE. Then it got shut down over licensing to make room for SWTOR, which to be honest , was a bit of a disappointment to a lot of people, not just ex SWG players.
TOR was ok in some respects but it had problems with the end game PvP zone, no raids for the hardcore PvE crowd, the space flight was on rails. The character customisation was basic, the races all looked the same, just different colours. All in all a major let down when you look at how EA hyped it up, and when you look at the massive amount of cash they threw into it. The whole thing just got old very quickly. Anyone that had played WoW (or any clone released after) had seen most of what TOR had to offer within a few levels.
A lot of people called it WoW with lightsabers, and I can understand why. It was a very generic, tightly funneled themepark with average graphics and gameplay we've seen before. They only thing remotely new was the crew skills and having the companion out.
Then when it went F2P they monetised the most rediculous things, like hotbars and the head gear on/off toggle. Insanity! You wonder why people hate on TOR? The game was mediocre and priced higher then any other MMO before or since. Perhaps they're not hating on TOR so much as EA. But that's another rant.
If you enjoy it, that's fine. But you have to try and understand that not everyone feels that way, and maybe they have good reason not too.
Some of them come up with some good zingers time after time. This game is the gift that keeps on giving.
I never really let those that hate a game I enjoy get to me. To be honest I tend to get more irked by fanboys of a game or one I even enjoy that gloss over or ignore issues.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
To understand that u must first understand how Star Wars fans can both love and hate george lucas...
Its partly due to fans of SWG wanting a new SWG and being pissed SWTOR wasnt it, and partly the fact that well, its freaking Star Wars. One of the hugest IPs around, and the biggest budget ever spent on an MMO, with a massive company / dev team creating it.... and they created more of the same crap. They could have gone such a different route with many things in the game and actual made it very unique, but they settled for the equivalent of WoW with Lightsabers and more voiceovers.
Its just very disappointing to watch companies turn potential gold into crap. Happens all the time in all forms of media. Just look at how many amazing books have been turned into atrocious movies or TV shows. My biggest example of dissappointment there was the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. Huge fan of the books for years, one of my favorite series of all time. Heard they were making the TV show Legend of the Seeker and couldnt wait. Then I wanted to stab myself in the brain and cut out the memories of the show. It wasnt even the same freaking story anymore. Who people were, their relations to eachother, etc were all changed, hell entire locations and races of people were just completely wiped from existence. Nothing beyond the very 1st episode had any real correlation to anything that happened in the books.
Youre just left thinking "Really? You already had this completely awesome thing that exists. All you had to do was bring it to life in a cool way. But somehow you managed to turn it into THIS? Why did you even bother with the IP? You could have named it anything else and it could have been decent, but it doesnt even fit the IP anymore."
Originally posted by Xobdnas
To understand that u must first understand how Star Wars fans can both love and hate george lucas...
I'll step in one last time. I quit SWTOR because it was just not fun for me to play.
The game engine is very subpar. When the zone could hold maybe 20 people at max, quests that said you had to swim to someplace and you end up walking across. The game had a very dead feeling to it with static mobs just standing around, and near empty cites when you go there to do quests.
I think it was fairly good, but many people went into it that were burnt out and bone tired of WoW. SWTOR was not far enough away from WoW. It lacked any form of freedom with an amazing IP that screams let me roam the galaxy. I thought SWG was boring but as I've aged and played the MMO's that have come after it, I appreciate it much more.
I hope someday that there will be a bladerunner/star wars dark sci fi MMO. Not post apocalyptic...why do they all make it that? With lots of freedom to explore and freedom to do what we want and pay the consequences for it.
Edit: Some of the complaints I've heard about SWTOR make no sense to me after the games most of these people came from. Static lifeless cities...what? No other MMO that released at the time of SWTOR was any better. You would think linear mind numbing quest hubs would piss people off more than NPC's standing or walking but noooo.
Ok, here it is. They spent a bagillion dollars on vo while we forum folk begged them not to. In beta from 1 to 4 they ignored pages upon pages of posts asking for swtor to be more than a wow wannabe so they would make it appeal to more main stream players. The last thing, and this makes me the most angry, rather than be happy with roughly 250k star wars and serious mmo fans and make a revolutionairy mmo they made a watered down corporate pos that was both star wars and mmo in name only. Greed and artistic sacrifice at its worst. When you compromise your soul and turn your back on the people that made you, you are destined to fail, and fail they did.
Originally posted by velmax
I'm not trying to be on the defense side on this game, as i did wish that Bioware had done a little better with it. But i've seen SO much hate on this game; that i question myself what has made people hate it so much? I've probably have never seen so much hate on a mmo like swtor! I know people troll.... but this is more then trolling, if everyone hates on it. So tell me, why?
I think a lot of people hate on this because its what the 'trend' is at the moment. People are like sheep and don't want to feel out of touch with things so they just follow the herd. However, there were many issues with this game that I had, none of them about the core mechanics so to speak but i'll list them. But as I do, please bare in mind my opinions of this game are from Beta, launch and a couple of months from then onwards.
I actually got into the beta of this game and I was very excited. The game started of strong, then I began to have my reservations. After each play session you had, you filled in a survey where I conveyed my concerns. Of course, they weren't headed as were many other players not heaeded. I think, they were too far committed with the game with what they money had been spent on and were looking to push it out the door to get some of that money back that had been spent. Later it infuriated me to learn that one of the guys working on the project blamed the fans because they had built the game based on our advise and we were slamming them because it. Essentially, in spirit, they had built a KOTOR 3 game with multiplayer and NOT an MMO.
Now I played characters on both Republic and Empire and played through all the stories, some good, some okay and some meh. Thats not an issue, not everything will be a 'winner' to each person as story enjoyment is always subjective.
Now, considering the story was meant to be this fourth pillar nonsense they were going on about it was painting a picture that 'your' choice mattered in shaping your journey and the interactions around you. Sadly, this was never the case, they essentially gave you dialog options... but all paths led to Rome so to speak. Sure, you could kill this person, or not kill this person, or save this person or not etc etc. But these choices did not affect anything in the story other than the decision made at that time. With regards to the Light side and dark side points, essentially the morality engine in this game it really did not change how others regarded you. Your morality was always centric and never cast outwards to the world you lived in, apart from the odd jibe or remark. For example, as a Jedi I slept with a woman, then lied I had done it to my master, it earnt me dark side points but nothing about that encounter added any shape or direction to the future.
Then we move to very lack luster environments. Things looked pretty, but lacked any oomph to them, they were eseentially all the same thing apart from some rare exceptions. This made me feel that going to other planets kinda boring, they all had a tile set and a gimmick but over all, they just felt bland and lifeless.
Speaking of planets, it is a very linear progression, you consume planets like you would if you were that big planet eating robot from the transformer movie, you know, the one that turns Megatron into Galgatron.. forgot it's name. Essentially you moved planet to planet without any need to revist any of the other planets. There was very little incentive or reward to do so. So you all ended up on Illum, doing dailies which would take you about 2 months of continuation in order to get your Epic and although fun the first couple of rounds, very tedious when doing it EVERY day because it was the ONLY thing to do.
Speaking of grinds, elite or epic mobs, these are listed as Group quests or even the HARD quests you get when you complete a planey were such a chour to do. It was a missed opputunity in my opinion because it was something I could of seen used to reward those for dedication with something fun or quicky. But you soon learn that aside from the additional story there is no real benefit in doing so.
Gear, although I believe the models have been updated they initially looked terrible, absolutely diabolical and it suffers with all End game content MMO's where everyone and everything begins to look a like. The Raiding gear and token gear including all of the tiers all had the same armour design, just in different colours. The gear was not impressive at all nor did it make me want to earn it, I found the art absolutely deplorable especially when given a freaking wonderful palette such as Star Wars!!! There is so much ART in the canon of star wars, from the movies, comics and books as well as some unique fan made art work that you would of thought their artists would of come up with something more heroic and imaginative. But no, they did not alas and some might argue that the gear is more 'canon' with the universe they need to also accept that this is an MMO and requires more creative flair to get people interested.
Raiding in the game was sooooooooooo much a freaking hassle, I think by the time Rise of the Rakghouls came out (which was very fun to be honest) they still had not fixed their raids. Gharj would bug out so freaking much as would the platforms of the first raid. Kaggies Palace was a little bit better to be honest, but the hinderances to this raids made it very hard to enjoy especially when going in with a lot of people as you try and problem solve and work around the bugginess of the content.
Raiding, for me bugged me the most to be honest. Not because of its content, but more to do with its out of freaking no-where relevance. Normally in games, you have a lore established and a villain or antagonist established so everything you are doing within the game works to that end. Which is what they had with Darth Malgus (whatever his name is) but they kill him (quite epically) in one of the latter flashpoints. So, you kinda get a 10 min dialog introduction right at the end of this Raid encounter you are meant to give a crap about... but don't... because essentially for you, your story quest is done as is the main villain of the piece dead. So your purpose, your mission and goal is all but gone!
I just found it very weak that a game centric to story just kinda shoe-horned these raids into the game because they knew they had to have them.
Crafting itself was very unique and did take up some of the 'gathering' burdon. I also found that because of which it made the world seem rather lifeless. People just did all the crafting and gathering from the safety of the star port or their ship which made world interaction rather dull and I feel also harmed the economy very very badly. Essentially, there was nothing to trade and things that were about the trade were binded to you. The only thing I could sell with any level of consistancy were the companion items. I did like the differen't versions of items you could make by unlocking them by crafting them a certain amount of times, that was a good system. But, it would of been better served to make crafting a bit more a grind and exploration more potent in addition to having some fun and unique things thrown in. Typically, you would very seldom use anything you made from crafting that you couldn't get from questing. The end game part of crafting was very costly and time consuming but the items were rewarding and compairable to raid based gear. One of the people in my guild literally maxed everything, every single combination and outcome, they put a lot of love into it hoping for something cool and ultimately it was nothing more but a cash sink.
Companions... by the god what a missed opputunity there as well! You are the main character, you are centric to the development to your own story. You pick up companions as you go, however they are kinda flat and 2 dimensional and sure you can romance them but it is kinda strange and doesnt feel organic. In games where you have companions they should each have their own motivations and you apart of them either succeeding or failing those motivations. However what you do is level up their interest enough to get a new dialog scene from them. Sometimes they go off on their own adventures and tell you about them. What should of happened is that these adventures were shared, they are part of your team and you should go with them and flesh out their back stories. Much like the companions of Mass Effect. It would of made your story and interactions with your companions seem more organic, real and would even make the romance feel less strained. I was shouting at the screen literally because I wanted to go on Fourex's adventures with him!
PvP wasn't bad, needed some improvements in some areas, more to do with stuns and balance issues, but the concepts were sound and cool. Like the Hutt ball, sadly getting people to work together is a little bit harder than the actual participation of the actual arenas.
In closing, I played for around 3 months, not including beta which I was in. Essentially you are playing KOTOR with multiplayer and your story ends and then you are shoe horned into other stuff with little motivation or care about it. Raiding was buggy and although they had their quirks, not everything was very interesting. You were then presented with the End game content which basically meant you did your dailies on Illum, then... that was it, you waited until Raid night. There was nothing to really distract you with aside Datacrons.
Now Datacrons are a good idea, they shouldnt of been the case where they rewarded you stat increases though. It kinda made it feel essentially to have them all. Especially the group based one which I think was a +10 on the star port. The grappling system of which was very buggy. These should of unlocked cool things, fun things, little perks and so forth, like pets, cosmetics etc to show your accomplishments.
I also forgot world bosses, ugh these were tiresome. Easily encounter with a large enough swarm of you which rewarded you with gear. But, not very interesting in design nor encounter mechanics.
In beta when I did the surveys as well as when I left I felt, and still do that the game needed the following.
As a preface I must say; I'm not a Star Wars fan. I like the world, the setting, however, you can't just toss Star Wars on something and have me like it as you can so many SW Fanboys.
Given that...this game failed on so many levels. MMORPG? No, not really. Linear game with "online elements" similar to MMORPG's? Yes, very much so. This game, hands down, has the WORST replayability of any other game, mainly because no matter which class you play or which race you play you get to go through the same exact story and follow the same exact path through the planets. Was this necessary? No, not at all. This is, sadly, what happens when you let a console gaming company create an "open universe" that really is just a segmented single player game that requires a connection and dealing with other retards that can barely function.
I had fun with many elements, however, when it went back to leveling up your character again (outside of pvp) for any class other than tank classes you basically had to play support to your companion OR make your companion be only support.
These are just a couple of my issues, really, the hate is well deserved and if I were an actual fan I could go on at even more length, fortunately I'm not.
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Originally posted by velmax
TIRED of SWTOR hate!
Then don't read the forums. Problem solved.
Save your energy from trying to understand why even. Better spent on doing other more productive things.
Originally posted by Xobdnas
Greed and artistic sacrifice at its worst. When you compromise your soul and turn your back on the people that made you, you are destined to fail, and fail they did.
Well OP, since you've seen a lot of hate threads and posts regarding Swtor I'm very sure they included what they hated about the game in the very rants you are referring to. Now you come here and want to know why? Basically asking for more.
I can't really see the point of thise thread at all.
You say you're tired of Swtor hate, then create a thread askying why people hate it, therefore inviting more of the same stuff you've already obviously been reading. What could possibly be the point of that?
Nice post, I read it and can't really disagree with what was said. I like the part about Darth Malgus too - SWTOR built that villain up, only to just have him accidentally fall over a cliff in a drunken stupor, metaphorically. Afterwards it's like .. huh?
I would only add that SWTOR relased far before it was ready (ala Warhammer Online also by EA). Bugs were everywhere and that only helped drive fans away. How long was that Illum daily bugged .. the +10 stat datacrom was a frustrating mess also .. laser didn't work, or you couldn't pick up the color crystals .. or one of them, think the blue. Bugs that just sat and sat, and sat... couldn't drop quests .. Ilum crapped up quest logs with unnecessary garbage quests... etc etc (I mention the older bugs since this is your timeframe)
Now some stuff got fixed, and Ilum was fixed by making it go away, but new bugs keep cropping up. And bugs still don't get address in a timely maner, if at all. It's EA's philosophy that pisses folk off. Stuff in the cash shop works fine though, and gets released on a much more consistent schedule .. hmm!!!
It wasn't any wonder why EA's customer service stunk .. they made a game that begged for multiple tickets per account, weekly, which overloaded them. And still does, to some degree. I've given up with tickets though, I just would get a bot auto-dontcare response, so why bother.
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I think the second comment is correct, Star Wars Galaxies gave players more freedom than any MMO before it (or since) and the fact that SWTOR isnt nearly as open, not to mention that with 200 MILLION DOLLARS they made a WoW clone.
Dont get me wrong I am a subscriber to SWTOR atm but if City of Heroes or Star Wars Galaxies were around I wouldnt be.
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[mod edit] There were like 300k tops subs for SWG, more than double that quit SWTOR and hate that game. Has nothing to do with SWG, has to do with the time they spent, the amount of money dropped on this game, and it failing to live up to a true and epic mmorpg they claimed it would be. Along with many other flaws. Most the SWG fans already knew ahead of time this wouldnt hold up, so stop blaming the SWG fans.
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Originally posted by velmax
I'm not trying to be on the defense side on this game, as i did wish that Bioware had done a little better with it. But i've seen SO much hate on this game; that i question myself what has made people hate it so much? I've probably have never seen so much hate on a mmo like swtor! I know people troll.... but this is more then trolling, if everyone hates on it. So tell me, why?
It isn't just SWTOR, this forum is just a cess pit of vitriol against any 'themepark' MMO. Don't take it personally.
It annoys me whenever someone mention 300k subs in 2003 and thought that was "bad"...
Because whenever they say that it is clear that they have no understanding of the mmo gaming market at the time [mod edit]
300k is A LOT of players to play any mmo back in 2003. There are no million pops mmo before WoW. Most mmos sit around that figures.
It is like comparing 50 bucks in 1900 to 50 bucks in 2013... 50 bucks in 1900 can probably buy you a lot of things consider back in 1900 Ford's first automobile cost $100.
Originally posted by Onomas
For all you blaming this hate on SWG fans, please shut up. There were like 300k tops subs for SWG, more than double that quit SWTOR and hate that game. Has nothing to do with SWG, has to do with the time they spent, the amount of money dropped on this game, and it failing to live up to a true and epic mmorpg they claimed it would be. Along with many other flaws. Most the SWG fans already knew ahead of time this wouldnt hold up, so stop blaming the SWG fans. And true swg fans are still playing SWG
This wasnt a discussion of why people left the game. It was why is there so much hate on the forums about it. Plenty of SWG vets on these forums, many of them who are pissed that SWTOR was not SWG2.
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i knew it would be crap when i bought the game and installed it and realiezed i had to pay for a time card to get the first month free. which was crazy . not that it was about the money. its was the time cuz i was wanting to play sooo bad
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Lau Van Huynh to serve one year in Santa Barbara County Jail
SANTA BARBARA, Calif. - The family of Simon Chavez spoke passionately to the man convicted of hitting and killing him on the freeway.
The families of Chavez and Lau Van Huynh filled the courtroom on Thursday afternoon and both were in tears when the judge let 78-year-old Huynh know how long he would stay in jail.
"Why? Why our Simon?" said Maricella Martinez, a cousin of Chavez.
Family member after family member got up and addressed Judge Jean Dandona and Huynh.
"Simon had the biggest heart," said cousin Ashton Falchi as she held back tears.
Huynh pleaded no contest to hitting and killing 22-year-old Chavez in the early morning hours of January 15 as he crossed the freeway near the Castillo Street off-ramp.
"Walking on the freeway does not define the life of my son, your honor. How beautiful a smile," said Luis Quintanar as he pointed to a picture of Chavez on the wall of the courtroom. "A kid with personality. A kid that loved life! Him walking on the freeway, it was a mistake."
Quintanar, Chavez' stepfather, told the court he forgives Huynh for killing his son, but that he will never forget.
"When I had to confront and tell my daughter, my 12-year-old daughter, Tatianna, 'Your brother died.' And you know what she said to me? 'Did they take him to the hospital?' I couldn't describe Mr. Huynh that he took off and left! I couldn't! I couldn't tell her!" Quintanar yelled in court, pointing at Huynh.
"To the family and friends of Mr. Simon Chavez, we are truly sorry," said Tony Lau, Huynh's son-in-law.
There was a small group of people in court for the defendant that started crying when they heard the sentence.
"The defendant shall serve 356 days in the Santa Barbara County Jail," said Judge Dandona.
Huynh has been in custody since his January 26 arrest and will get credit for time served.
He addressed the court and asked the judge when he could go home. Then, for the first time, he spoke to the family through an interpreter.
"Please forgive me and I would like to apologize to the family," Huynh said.
Along with the jail time, he will be on probation for three years and have to pay the family nearly $20,000 in restitution.
It is still not known why Chavez was walking on the freeway.

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HELPER-James Bruce Boyack, age 61, passed away Aug. 16, 2003 at his home in Helper. He was born Jan. 6, 1942 in Helper to Franklin Pace and Elda Ames Boyack. Jim attended schools in Carbon County, then enlisted and served honorably in the US Navy on the USS Duncan, USS Kemper County and the USS Diachenko. After retruning home he began his railroad career as a carman with the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad and was a proud member of the Railroad Carmen of USTC459. In 1984, he retired from the railroad and then devoted his time to his favorite hobby, custom cars.
Jim was a proud member of the National Pin Stripers of America Association, the Pinheads, and the Taildraggers. He was honored with three Master Craftsman Awards for his work with custom cars from the CC Riders, San Rafael Swell and Helper City Outlaw Car Clubs. He was co-founder of the Butch Cassidy Car Club and co-organizer of all 15 Helper Outlaw Car Shows in the Helper City Park on Father's Day weekend. Jim had hundreds of custom vehicles pass through his little garage in Helper and he loved them all. He will be dearly missed by his family, friends, neighbors and other hot rod enthusiasts around the country.
Survived by his daughters, Erin (Brett) Rowley, Leigh (Richard) Pierce, Summer (Jed) McBride, Patty (Phil) Pappas; son, James Bruce and wife (Kim); and Ike Lee; grandchildren, Rachel, Phil, Jordan, Chris, Austin, Cortland, Kylie, Connor, Danni, Dakota and Faithlynne; sisters, Jackie Stone, Pricilla (John) Westenskow, Joan (Jon) Piercy; brothers, Earl (Francis) Standley, Pace (Jean) Boyack, Jr., Pat (Mary) Boyack. Also survived by many nieces, nephews, cousins and friends. Preceded in death by his parents, and brothers, Monty and Lester Standley.
Funeral service, Aug. 22 at 11 a.m. in the Helper LDS Stake Center. Family will be at Mitchell Funeral Home, 233 East Main Street in Price, Thursday evening from 7-9 p.m. and at the church Friday one hour prior to services. Interment, Mt. View Cemetery, Helper.
Calvin and JoAnn Cox passed away Aug. 15, 2003 of injuries sustained in an automobile accident while traveling to the Manti Temple.
Calvin was born Mar. 24, 1934 in Orangeville, to Donald T. and Helen Fox Cox. JoAnn was born Nov. 23, 1934 in Castle Dale to William Morris and Maree Rasmussen Peacock. They were married May 24, 1951 in Orangeville. Their marriage was solemnized in the Manti LDS Temple on Feb. 25, 1978.
Calvin was a hard worker. His early years were spent working on his father's sheep herd with his brother, Gary. He worked as a miner in local coal mines and the potash mine in Moab. He worked in construction for 40 years, starting his own general contracting business, C & C Improvement, where he enjoyed working with his sons.
JoAnn was a gifted and accomplished musician, teaching and performing her entire life. She played in dance bands, beginning at the age of twelve. She composed many songs, one of the first being the Emery High school song. She was involved in numerous community acts of service including singing at over 2,500 funerals, and playing the accordion and/or piano at senior citizen events and in schools throughout Carbon and Emery counties.
Calvin and JoAnn were active members of the LDS Church and served in various callings and leadership positions. They enjoyed activities with family, including fishing and boating with their children and grandchildren. They served in the Manti LDS Temple for 10 wonderful years.
They are survived by their children, Paul and Laurie Cox, Moab; Keith and Rachel Cox, Spring Glen; Catherine Cox, Layton; Melody and Kelly Kimber, Riverton; Helen and Michael McCandless, Huntington; 18 grandchildren; and 10 great-grandchildren. Calvin is survived by sister, Jane and Pete Jensen; brothers, Steven and Rhonda Cox and Von and Betty Frandsen, and sisters-in-law Della Cox and Rayola Cox. JoAnn is survived by sister, Evelyn Huntsman and brother, George and Arlene Peacock. Calvin was preceded in death by his parents, step-mother Jennie Frandsen Cox, brothers Gary and Garth, sister-in-law, Darla Cox, and infant sister, Renee. JoAnn was preceded in death by parents, step-father, Guy S. Ware, brother-in-law, Howard Huntsman and daughter-in-law, Deborah Arehart Cox.
Services will be held Aug. 20, at 11 a.m. at the Helper LDS Stake Center, located at 150 Ridgeway, Helper. Friends may call Tuesday from 6-8 p.m. at Fausett Mortuary, 680 East 100 South Price, and one hour prior to service at church. Interment will be at Orangeville Cemetery.
PRICE-Angelina Spadafora DeAngelis, age 88, passed away Aug. 16, 2003 at Castleview Hospital while surrounded by her loving family. She was born April 1, 1915 in Sunnyside to Francisco and Mary Gallo Spadafora. Married Frank De Angelis Sept. 15, 1935 in Provo. He died May 15, 1995.
Angie was a member of Notre Dame de Lourdes Catholic Church where she was a member of the Altar Society for many years. She was a lifelong resident of Carbon County and graduate of Carbon High School Class of 1935. Angie was a loving and caring person who was employed with JC Penney's for over 40 years.
The family would like to extend a special thanks to Vangie, Tiffany and Patricia for their loving care of Angie over the years.
She is survived by her nieces, Rusty Jouflas, Maria Matthews, both of Price; Paula Robertson, Spring Glen; sister, Frances (Bruce) Barnhill, Tallahassee, Fla.; four grandchildren, Chris and Toni Matthews, Jaci (Guy) Adams, Michael (Carrie) Robertson; three great-grandchildren, Nickolas and AJ Adams, and Abby Jo Robertson. Preceded in death by parents, husband, and eight brothers and sisters.
Funeral Mass, Aug. 21 at 10 a.m., Notre Dame de Lourdes Catholic Church. Vigil service Wednesday evening at 7 p.m. at Mitchell Funeral Home. Family will be at Mithcell's Wednesday and Thursday one hour prior to services. Committal service, Price City Cemetery.
In lieu of flowers the family suggests contributions to a charity of your choice.
HELPER-Beloved, husband, father, uncle, grandfather, great-grandfather and friend, Frank Tomsic, age 78, passed away Aug. 14, 2003 at his home.
Born Feb. 4, 1925 in Royal to Frank and Manda Katalin Tomsic.
He married Carmela Peterson, Nov. 28, 1965 in Las Vegas, Nev., she died May 22, 1998.
He was a member of the Catholic Church. Longtime resident of Royal, Castle Gate and Helper. Frank served his country in the US Navy during World War II in the Pacific Theatre. After returning home, he worked in various coal mines in Carbon County for over 30 years and was an active member of the United Mine Workers of America. During this time Frank was known as an excellent coal miner, hard worker, never missed work and was very well liked and respected by his co-workers.
Frank loved to spend time in his garden and take his companions (dogs) everywhere he went. He loved spending time with his family and will be dearly missed by his family and a community of friends.
Survived by his sister, Mary Corak, Salt Lake City; one step-daughter, two step-sons and their spouses; Gaylene (Eugene) Crocco, Price; Ben L. (Georgene) Peterson, James L. (Paula) Peterson, both of Salt Lake City; nephew, Joseph (Amy) Corak; niece, Marcia Corak; seven grandchildren, Ben, Linda, Gene, Christy, Carrie, James and Michael; eight great-grandchildren, Michael, Anna, Camie, Angelina, Casey, Cade, Josie, and Jesse; great nieces Andrea and Katie Corak.
Preceded in death by parents, brother, Tony Tomsic; sister, Margaret Hutchinson; and wife, Carmela.
Funeral Mass was held Aug. 18 at 10 a.m. at the St. Anthony Catholic Church in Helper. Vigil service held Sunday evening at 5 p.m. at the Mitchell Funeral Home in Price. Committal service at the Price City Cemetery.
Gerald Leon Smith passed away Aug. 16, 2003 at Utah Valley Hospital, surrounded by his family. He was born June 4, 1935 in Holladay, a son of Forrest G. and Sarah Jane Griffiths Smith of Price. He married his high school sweetheart, Bonnie Jean Lewis on Oct. 10, 1953 in Price and they have two sons and seven grandsons. Michael Leon (Linda Nelson) Smith and Daniel N. Smith of Sandy, Jeremy L. (Melanie Schmoyer) Smith, of Orem, Stephen M. (Laura Bennett) Smith of Draper and Elder Matthew L. Smith serving in the Brisbane Australia Mission. Ted Gerald (Darla Patten) Smith of American Fork and Jared 13, Joshua 10, and Jacob 8. He really loved and appreciated his grandchildren and was proud of them and their accomplishments.
A 1953 graduate of Carbon High School, he joined the US Navy and retired with 20 years as a Chief Petty Officer. He then began his second career with the government where he opened the Social Security Office in Price. He later transferred to the Provo Office where he was an Operations Supervisor until his retirement on December 31, 1994.
He was a volunteer for the AARP Driver's Safety Program and served as an Assistant State Coordinator. He was also serving on the committee for the Utah Work Incentives for People with Disabilities.
He is survived by his wife of Orem, sons and grandchildren, his parents, sisters, Colleen (Dwayne) Hatch of American Falls, Ida., Judi (George) Baker of Orangeville, brothers Roger (Karen) Smith of Castle Dale and Greg Smith of Craig, Colo.
He was preceded in death by a brother Grant (Bena Black) Smith of Price and sisters Yvonne Smith and Sharon Taldo.
The family would like to thank the doctors, nurses and staff at UVRMC for the loving care and support.
Funeral services will be held on Aug. 20 at 11 a.m. at the Berg Drawing Room Chapel, 185 East Center, Provo. Friends may call at the mortuary on Wednesday one hour prior to services. Interment will be in the Utah Veterans Memorial Park, 17111 South Camp Williams Road, six miles south of Riverton, Utah on State Route 68.
CLEVELAND- Lester Von Minchey, 76, died peacefully at home Aug. 17, 2003 with his wife by his side after a courageous battle with complications from cancer.
Lester was born June 3, 1927 in Helper, Lester June and Alice La Von Carlow Minchey. He married Shawna La Rue McFarlane Dec. 23, 1960 in Cleveland.
He was baptized a member of the LDS Church three weeks ago and looked forward to the time he could be sealed with his family forever. He loved to travel, and served 11 years in the U.S. Army and for many years on the Cleveland City Council. He was a contractor and owner/operator of Minchey Digging for 30 years. Lester gave many years of selfless service to his community. His greatest love in life was being with his family.
Lester is survived by wife, Shawna, of Cleveland; six children, JoLene (Bruce) Sharp of Hurricane; Bill (Janet) Minchey of Beaver; Rex (Joy) Minchey of Jerome, Idaho; Shellee (Forrest) Luke, Craig, Colo.; Troy (Sandra) Minchey, Minersville; and Tonya (Jeff) Cowley of Cleveland. Also surviving are grandchildren, 28 great-grandchildren; sister, Lynn Ann Jones of Alaska; and three brothers, Henry Minchey of St. George; Jack Minchey of Grantsville; and Mark Minchey of Escalante. Preceded in death by parents; brother, Jay and grandson, Joseph Sharp.
Friends may call for a visitation at Fausett Mortuary in Price Thur., Aug 21, from 6:30-8 p.m. Funeral services will be Friday, Aug. 22, 11 a.m., in the Cleveland LDS Ward Chapel with a viewing prior from 9:30-10:45 a.m. Interment, Cleveland City Cemetery.
LaGrand was a Utah native and born-again Christian. He was born on Feb. 7, 1931, in Castle Dale, the son of Warren and Lila Wilberg. LaGrand was raised in Emery County, married his life-long love, Charlotte Van Buren, on May 27, 1950. He served with honor in the US Army from 1952-1954.
LaGrand worked as a rancher, a bus and truck driver, and served on the Utah Highway Patrol for 14 years. He later retired at the age of 55 from Emery Mining Corp. so he could travel and play. He was an active and faithful member of Eagle Mountain International Church.
LaGrand loved his family, life, people and the Lord.
Survived by his wife of 53 years, Charlotte Van Buren Wilberg of Rhome, Texas; son, Scott (Linda) Wilberg, and their children, Chris, Jake, Ashley, and Chelsea, all of Sandy; daughter, Cynthia (Bob) Nasi, and their children Shalyn and Sarah, all of Fort Worth, Texas; brothers, Kay Wilberg and Wayne Wilberg, of Castle Dale; sister, Janet W. Taylor of Huntington.
Funeral services were held Aug. 15 at the Eagle Mountain International Church. Burial at Dido Cemetery.
CASTLE DALE -Spencer Jeremiah Anderson, infant son of Con and Jessica Anderson of Castle Dale was born on Aug. 11. He passed away peacefully in his mother's arms a few hours later after a valiant effort to live. While he has returned to his Heavenly Father, he tarried in this life long enough to become an eternal son and member of our family.
Spencer is survived by his parents and brothers, Derek and Ethan; grandparents Randy and Betsy Johnson, all of Castle Dale, Grandparents Carol Anderson of College Ward and Carvin and Linda Anderson of Paradise. Also survived by numerous aunts, uncles and cousins. Preceded in death by uncles, Jeremiah Johnson and Mark Anderson.
Graveside services were held on Aug. 15 at noon at the Castle Dale Cemetery.
ELMO-Richard LaMar Russell, age 66, passed away suddenly Aug. 17, 2003 in Provo. Born Jan. 6, 1937, in Fillmore, to William G. and Maurine Christensen Russell.
He was a member of the LDS Church. Resident of Elmo since 1978, where he was a former employee of Soldier Creek Coal Company for many years. At the time of his death he was employed with Maca Supply in Springville.
Richard's greatest enjoyment was his family, especially his grandchildren.
Survived by his loving wife of 40 years: Donna Russell, Elmo; mother, Maurine Russell, Springville; two daughters, Cheryl (Martin) Vuksinick, West Valley; Shelly Prince, Sandy; two brothers, Ellis (Janet) Russell, RIverton; Jay (Nancy) Russell, West Valley; best friend, Merrill (Kathy) Chatwin, Genola; four loving grandchildren, Marty and Lessa Vuksinick, Zachary and Brooklyn Prince.
Preceded in death by his father, sister, Colleen Quintana; brother, Ivan Russell.
Funeral service will be held Aug. 21 at 1 p.m. at the Elmo LDS Ward Chapel. Family will be at the church one hour prior to service. Friends are welcome at Mitchell Funeral Home in Price daily. Interment Elmo City Cemetery.


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Skip to comments.Gay activist seeks Scout tree recycling boycott
Posted on 01/08/2012 9:01:43 AM PST by hiho hiho
PORTLAND, Ore. -- A Portland man is urging people to boycott the Boy Scout Christmas tree recycling program to challenge the organization's position on gay rights.
Richard Kuhns posted flyers throughout the Laurelhurst neighborhood where he lives, complaining of the Boy Scouts national stance against gays.
Local Boy Scout leaders said the tree recycling program has traditionally been one of their biggest yearly fund-raisers.
Boy Scouts of America issued a statement Thursday that said in part, "The BSA recognizes that some do not agree with its position on this single issue, but values the freedom of everyone to express their opinion and teaches its members to use courtesy and respect at all times. To disagree does not mean to disrespect... The BSA believes that its youth program is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss issues of sexuality."
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Kuhns disagreed and, in addition to circulating 200 flyers, he also started an online petition against the Presbyterian Church of Laurelhurst, which sponsored the local Boy Scouts.
Too many organizations like the church in Laurelhurst continue to enable the discrimination of the Scouts, Kuhns said. I think it's a basic civil rights issue.
We understand the protest, countered pastor Greg Ikehara-Martin. We are opposed to homophobia. We don't believe local Scout 22 is a homophobic group and we don't believe boycotting the Christmas tree recycling fund-raiser of this group is the best way to change the national policy on homosexuality."
Meantime, the Boy Scouts plan to start collecting trees for recycling in the Laurelhurst neighborhood starting at 9 a.m. on Saturday.
The BSA recognizes that some do not agree with its position on this single issue, but values the freedom of everyone to express their opinion and teaches its members to use courtesy and respect at all times. To disagree does not mean to disrespect.
One of our greatest strengths as a nation is that we can disagree on a variety of issues while agreeing to support a common good.
The BSA believes that its youth program is not the appropriate forum in which to discuss issues of sexuality.
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I wish I had 10,000 trees to recycle!!
Well of course this liberal idiot wants to boycott the Boy Scout tree recycling program. Of course he wants to make his political statement about homosexual rights.
Why doesn't this dude organize a gay tree recycling, so as to provide a good service to people? Why is his only action to call for a boycott of an organization which is providing a good service, and which provides so much good to society in general?
Why do liberals want to boycott and destroy good organizations? Why do liberals seldom if ever create good works in society, or create programs which represent their values? Why do they so often want to tear down established organizations and institutions, rather than make their political statements in useful ways?????
Because gay and lesbian people are confused angry and selfish butt
How does the BSA make money recycling Christmas trees?
I think someone should make this homosexual's day and use a tree, that is slated for recycling, as a strap-on and let him have it.
No matter how many times you say it, it just doesn't sound right.
"Look at me! Look at me daddy! I'm a homosexual! Look at me daddy!"
Me too. The freedom of association.
Can i put my stumpy in your knot hole?
Boy Scout ping!
"Look at me daddy!
Eggs Ackley!
Letting gays in as scout leaders is serving children up to pedophiles on a silver platter.
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"Look at me daddy!
"Stumpy" better be a chode!
I wish I lived near the area. And had a real tree.
And this is the same group that demands tolerance. Boycotting someone for their beliefs doesn't sound too tolerant.
"Why doesnt this dude organize a gay tree recycling, so as to provide a good service to people?"
He's not interested in doing anything positive or constructive for the benefit of others. He's just concerned about himself and his diseased butt buddies.
"Why is his only action to call for a boycott of an organization which is providing a good service, and which provides so much good to society in general?"
Militant, Leftist homosexuals aren't interested what is good, right, and upstanding. They are for the exact opposite.
"Why do liberals want to boycott and destroy good organizations?" By definition Leftists, like the Muzzies, worship darkness, death and destruction.
"Why do liberals seldom if ever create good works in society, or create programs which represent their values?"
If the Leftists were to create works that represented their values what do you think they would look like? Do you think it would be good?
"Why do they so often want to tear down established organizations and institutions, rather than make their political statements in useful ways?????" Since the Leftists are committed to death and destruction what else is there to do in life?
In the end the Left wants humanity completely exterminated because it sees humanity as a pox, cancer, plague, and virus on the Earth.
You have the right to be a disgusting pervert.
We have the right to recognize you as such...
I also don't think these people really want tolerance; they want acceptance -- they want us to "celebrate" their lifestyle. Mere tolerance is not enough.
Gays won't get behind boy scouts unless it lets them get boy scouts' behinds ;^)
And gays wonder why referendums on gay marriage get voted down every time.
Queers are once again displaying their frustration because Boy Scout leaders and the boy's parents won't allow the queers access to sexually molest the young boys.
Lame brained government officials and judges still pushing the queer aganda think it is a "right" for the queers to have unsupervised access to vulnerable young boys.
None of them seemed to have learned anything from the Penn State homosexual rape of young boys and the subsequent cover-up.
Odds are, they shred them and sell the mulch. I know of some troops that do that.
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Just one little example of how criminally insane perverts are. He hates the Boy Scouts so much that he wants to poke a stick in their wheels. Out of hatred, envy, pride, lust and anger. No sane person wants homosexuals, who are much more prone to pedophilia and ebephilia (sp?) around boys. There is only one reason why homosexuals want to be around boys and that is the same reason Sanduksy wanted to be around boys. Boys Scouts need OUR support!
The "gay's" identity is so bound up with their perverse activity that any non-adoration of their activity is seen as a direct assault on them.
Tell a normal person you don't like their "Praise Jesus" bumper sticker and they respond with a shrug and go on. Tell a sodomite you don't like their gay pride bumper sticker and they respond as if you just stuck a knife in their heart (because, due to their disease, you just did)
Don't forget they are also carrying a plethora of weird STD pathogens, they are truly disease-ridden whack jobs.
Someone upthread mentioned they also sell the mulch.
By the way, my son is an Eagle Scout and my husband and I wolf den leaders for the cub scouts. They are soooooo cute!
Scouting is a wonderful organization. I was girl scout when the organization still had family values. I didn't realize until I was an adult how helpful it was in teaching leadership skills that have served me well both professionally and personally.
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Apparently this former B list mostly television actress turned reality star is not quite as innocent as she would lead you to believe
. She too has been seeing someone on and off for a few years when she flies to Florida for business.
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Yep Violet. Good one!ReplyCancel
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If it tori..is he…sighted?
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Manunuz. (Lol).ReplyCancel
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I like Derek's Jennie Garth guess. She did indeed have a reality show : "A Little Bit of Country"
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This is someone who sells on HSN in St. Petersburg, FL. Jenny McCarthy? Former actress now on The View (reality) and hopelessly in love with fiancé Donnie Wahlberg.ReplyCancel
After all the looking at it..
Yeah…violet called it yesterday(in uk time)
Torilicious.lol..and I repeat, is the man she cheating with, sited??


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