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Sunday, September 7, 2008 9:44:38 PM(UTC)
GREEN BAY After all that has happened in the 7 1/2 months since the Green Bay Packers lost to the eventual Super Bowl-champion New York Giants in the NFC Championship Game, general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy are clearly looking forward to Monday night's regular-season opener against the Minnesota Vikings at Lambeau Field.
More so than they've probably looked forward to any other game, because the focus mercifully returns to football, rather than hurt feelings, fractured relationships and criticism related to Brett Favre's unretirement and subsequent trade to the New York Jets.
"It was certainly a hectic summer," Thompson said in his typically understated way. "And we got to where we got to."
And now the biggest question is where they're headed, led by new starting quarterback Aaron Rodgers. While McCarthy and Thompson's schedules didn't allow for them to be interviewed side-by-side, they were asked a number of the same questions in separate interviews in their respective offices earlier this week. An edited transcript of those conversations follows.
WSJ: [ul]Do you guys know what you're doing?[/ul]
MIKE McCARTHY: [ul]What kind of question is that?[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Well, there is a significant number of Packers fans who don't think you do after the way the Favre saga played out. This is your chance to tell them that you do.[/ul]
MM: T[ul]he perception of what happened and reality, there's a gap there. But that's irrelevant. Every decision made by the Green Bay Packers in my time here has been made in the best interest of the football team. So whatever your opinions are on that one particular transaction and I understand it wasn't just a normal transaction there's a lot of elements that were unforeseen, unfortunate, that put us in that position. But to answer your question, yes, we know what we're doing.
I'll just say this: Given our success last year, I think it's a perfect illustration of, nobody cares about yesterday. They only care about today. For a football team and an organization to have the success that we had last season, and between our last game and now, for the attitude towards our football team to change the way it's changed is unfortunate. I can't control it. I know I was part of what went on. But I think it's a perfect illustration of our society. It's, "What have you done for me lately?" We had an extremely positive season last year, a number of our players really grew up, our team has moved forward in a number of facets, but unfortunately, some people want to keep talking about the Brett Favre situation.[/ul]
TED THOMPSON: [ul]I can understand the questions people have. But the answer to your question is yes, we do. We know what we're doing. We're trying to put together the best team we can.
WSJ: [ul]You talk about appreciating their passion and you talk about how you understand when they boo a draft pick, but you also want people to believe the Packers are in good hands.[/ul]
TT: [ul]I do. I think that's really important. Something as sensitive as what we went through, I can understand that. I wish people didn't have to go through it. I wish none of us had to go through it. But I do want them to think the Packers are in good hands. That is important. And like I've said before, when people question a personnel decision, that's OK. But I do want them to know we're good people and we're doing the best we can. If they know that, at least that's something.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]So then it bothers you that people think you're a raging egomaniac? Does that get to you? Because that's personal, not professional.[/ul]
TT: [ul]The personal part I'm OK with even. But the big picture, macro view, if they think there's some mad scientist here that doesn't care about anybody else and is only out for his own ego, then they're misinformed. We literally get up every day and pray that we do a good job that day. Because we know how important it is to people. Again, that doesn't mean everybody's going to agree with us. It'd be nice if everybody knew that that's the way we approach our jobs.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]In the grand scheme of things, does it matter what the people think? It's not everyone it's only part of the fan base that's down on you but isn't what really matters what you as an organization think and the decisions you make? Those opinions will change if you have success.[/ul]
MM: [ul]From my chair, that's all that's ever mattered. I wasn't the pretty girl when I was hired, so that was an experience we were able to overcome. Our first year was tough in some spots, but we were able to learn from that and had a successful season last year. When we met as a football team on March 17, we talked about new season, new faces, new challenges. Every season takes on a different journey. Ours has definitely been different, and we've hit a bunch of road blocks that we've had to work through as a team, and we haven't even played one game yet.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Does it worry you all that stuff will impact the way your team performs this year?[/ul]
MM: [ul]I'm not worried about it, because it's something that's in the past. To me, it's an experience. And hopefully it's an experience we can draw from with positive results. I'm well-aware of all the negativity that flew around in that particular situation, but it was a practice in self-discipline, focus, sticking together. I think those are all solid things to learn from.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]What was it like in this office when you and Brett met that night? Obviously a lot of us would've loved to have been flies on the wall for that. And was there a point where you sat there and thought, "How on earth has it come to this?"[/ul]
MM: [ul]Oh, there were a number of times when both individuals said, "My goodness, how did it get to this?" And to quote him, "How do we get out of it?" I think it was a very honest exchange.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Hardest thing you've ever dealt with as a coach?[/ul]
MM:[ul] It's the hardest administrative situation I've been involved with. I wouldn't say it's the hardest thing I ever dealt with. The death of (San Francisco 49ers offensive lineman) Thomas Herrion in Denver in 2005 (when McCarthy was the offensive coordinator), to me that's a hard situation. You're talking about life and death. Here, we're talking about a career path change. I don't think there's any comparison.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]You've been adamant that it's about the team stepping up, not Aaron replacing Brett. But the bottom line is that your success and failure this season is predicated on how well Rodgers plays, isn't it? If he plays well and stays healthy, you'll win; if he plays poorly or gets hurt, you'll be in trouble, right?[/ul]
MM: [ul]I'm not trying to minimize the importance of good quarterback play. But every team is not the same. At the quarterback position, we went from the most experienced to among the least. I'm aware of that. But our football team is different this year. I think our defense is going to be better, I know our special teams has a chance to be better, and I think our offense will have a chance to play at the level we played at last year. I mean, we were a damn good offense last year. And that's the standard that's been set around here, and that's the standard we'll hold the offense to this year.[/ul]
TT: [ul]It's a reflection of the team, though. I do think this is the ultimate team sport. We were 13-3 last year in the regular season, 14-4 overall, because we had a remarkably good team. They liked each other, they were accountable to each other, they depended on each other. If we have that kind of relationship amongst our team this year, I think we'll be a good team. I think we'll have a chance to win. Does that mean we'll win as many games, or we'll win more? I don't know. But it is the ultimate team sport, and if there is a weak link, the NFL will find it. If there's dissension, the NFL will find it. I was very proud of the team last year.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Ted, you've talked before about how when you watch practice, you're not necessarily looking at footwork or fundamentals at practice. What else are you looking at?[/ul]
TT: [ul]I look at athleticism and movement and plays. I do look at the football part. But there are often times when you might think that's what I'm looking at but I'm watching a guy come back from just going through a tough period and seeing how his teammates respond to him and how he responds to them. The reason I go down on the sidelines in preseason is to get that interaction. I think from having been a player, it's not that I get any special insight, but you see the real people in those situations. Sometimes stressful, sometimes complete elation, sometimes depression. I've watched guys interact and I watch the team very closely.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]You were asked a lot of times this offseason whether Favre or Rodgers gave you a better chance to win in 2008, and you never really answered the question. Why are you so sure that this 24-year-old kid with 59 career regular-season pass attempts can do the job?[/ul]
MM: [ul]I believe in his development. I believe in the way he was brought up. I'm a big believer in people ascend to different heights based on what's beneath their feet. Aaron Rodgers has a tremendous foundation under his feet. He came up the right way in this league. He listened, he learned, he changed his body, he's in much better shape today than he was three years ago. He's taken the lessons of working behind a Hall of Fame quarterback for three years. He's really reached the point where he's really prepared for the last step, and that's to play the games. It's his time to go out and compete.[/ul]
TT: [ul]I think he's physically talented enough to play the position. I think, and I've said this before, I think him watching for three years is going to be a benefit to him. It doesn't replace experience, but I do think it's a benefit in the long run. I think he is a good teammate and I think his teammates respect him and respect his work. He wants to be a good player, and that is sometimes overlooked. And we'll see. Now, he has to play. And we've talked about all these different things leadership, being the face of the franchise but none of that really matters. As Mike has said several times, his job is to play quarterback. And that's what we're going to ask him to do.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]You didn't go into the '05 draft expecting to draft him, did you? You didn't expect him to be your proverbial "best player available," did you?[/ul]
TT: [ul]No. I did not. I did do some work leading up to that draft day because I kept hearing he was falling and I couldn't figure out why. We were at 24, and I'd heard he was going to be top 5, so we didn't spend a lot of time on him. In fact, I did some extra work to make sure we saw what we saw. We were very pleased with everything we saw. He just kept getting closer and closer and closer, and finally it was our pick and he was still there. Several picks it got to our pick, I said, "Well, if they're just going to give him to us, we're going to take him." And it just worked out that way.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Is there one personality trait that makes you think he's better prepared for the challenge of following a legend than others who have tried and failed?[/ul]
MM: [ul]He is a high-quality person. He's a young man with a lot of character, he has a good heart, he's a good teammate, he has a very good work ethic. And, he's talented. You can't deny the fact that Aaron Rodgers is a talented quarterback. He has a lot of ability. The next step is, he has to be able to endure the grind of a season. I think he has the right personality for that. He's not a moody person, he's very level. He's never too high, never too low. And I think that's the way you have to be to survive in this league.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]What about your backup quarterbacks? They're both rookies, and you said yourself it takes time to develop them. What happens if Rodgers gets hurt and you don't have that time you have to play Matt Flynn or Brian Brohm immediately. Then what? Is there a microwave method to getting them ready to play?[/ul]
MM: [ul]Well, it's not like if Brett was still here. He wouldn't need as many reps, so you could give more to the backups. We've taken the opportunity to get that guy, Matt, ready with the resources that are there. The quarterback position being so young, we have two very good prospects, but I think the team is ready if we have to play with a younger player. There's definitely a segment of our offensive system we can run that still gives us the ability to be effective on offense. And I'm confident either one of those guys could run that particular package or portion of our system. It's one thing to play a young quarterback. But if the other two phases of defense and special teams aren't ready, then your chances go down for success. But I think we could handle that situation.[/ul]
TT: [ul]First of all, preseason play, you can't necessarily go by that. We go by the whole body of work practice and everything. And we've seen continued improvement from both those guys. We think they're going to be good players in the NFL. In 1993, it was decided at the end of training camp to go with Brett Favre, who was really a second-year player; Ty Detmer, who'd never played a down; and Mark Brunell. And people thought the world was coming to an end. I'm not saying we're going to be as good as that, because that was a great threesome, but that's just the way you have to develop players.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]So you don't think two rookie backup quarterbacks are a risk?[/ul]
MM: [ul]The risks will go down as the season goes on. We need time to get them ready. They're both developing prospects.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Is it fair to say that when given the choice between a player with experience but a limited ceiling and an inexperienced young player with a higher ceiling, you'll opt for the latter every time?[/ul]
TT: [ul]If I felt like the net result of either player playing that year was even. If I felt the net result of the older player playing was better, I'd keep the older player. All things being equal, and I didn't know the ceiling of one player but I had kind of figured out the ceiling of the other, then I think you would choose the guy with the higher ceiling. I'm not going to sacrifice anything for the present for the future.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Ideally, how much do you want to run the ball? When you were hired, you talked about wanting to run a lot, but as the play-caller, that hasn't happened.[/ul]
MM: [ul]I think the days of running the ball 55 percent of the time are over. The thing about running the football and playing great defense with no turnovers and excellent special teams, it keeps you in the game. You're in every single game. And if things go right, you're going to win a lot of games. But I don't know if you can win the world championship that way. That's just my opinion. Because there's always games that you have to go win. And that means being able to throw the ball effectively. We play to win. We're going to do whatever we need to do to score points. If I go into a game thinking we can run the ball 50 times and score a bunch of points, then we're going to run the ball. But if you think the best way to get into the end zone is throwing it, then you have to do that. It's hard to win 10-9 ever week.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Does Ryan Grant have the makings of an elite NFL back?[/ul]
MM: [ul]I hope so. He has a lot going for him. We tend to forget how young he is. The guy doesn't have a lot of experience. I definitely think he's a young player that can improve, and you can't argue with the success that he's had in the short time he's been our main guy. I definitely hope so.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]It would appear you're going to be the youngest team in the league in terms of average age for the third year running. But you have some true veterans at some key positions Donald Driver at wide receiver, Al Harris and Charles Woodson at corner, and Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton at tackle. Are there other guys on this team you view as so-called "leaders?"[/ul]
TT: [ul]It's a different kind of young though. All our so-called sophomores and juniors are a year older. Now, you have taken out two players off of last year's roster that bumped the age up, but my guess is, our median age has gotten higher. I'm not a mathematician. I like veteran players. Our two corners, I love the fact that those guys have played and understand the game and can help our young guys grow. I do think you have to continually try to upgrade the talent on your team. And I think we were in a position when we first got here in 2005 where we were a little bit heavy the other way. And I think there had to be a process. But that doesn't mean we're going to continually get younger. In a perfect world, you're going to lose some players, but you keep those core players that you want long-term and you gradually get older as you mature. You have your Barnetts and your Kampmans and your Picketts and Kabeers guys who have played, too. Veterans have always been important, and that's why we do the extensions with those guys. It's not, 'We're just going to keep Ted's guys.' That's never been the case. I know it's been portrayed as that, but that's not the way we look at it.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]Last year, you won the regular-season opener (against Philadelphia) with your special teams. This year, you're going in with a new long-snapper, in Brett Goode, who replaces what would've been a new snapper anyway in J.J. Jansen, who got hurt in the final preseason game. And by cutting Jon Ryan the week of the opener to bring in Derrick Frost, a new punter and a new holder, you made a pretty bold move. Explain to me why that's not a huge risk given the premium you guys put on special teams.[/ul]
TT: [ul]The snapper thing was unavoidable, and it was a shame, because J.J. had made our team. In terms of the punter/holder, it's not a knock against Jon Ryan. We feel like Derrick has the ability to be a more consistent, more steady player at both positions.[/ul]
MM: [ul]There's some risk involved. There's no doubt. The one position, with Goode coming in there, was a healthy issue. The other part with the punting, I think Jon Ryan's a tremendous talent. He's done a number of positive things here. But we talk about field position and kicks inside the 20-yard line and things like that, and with the inability to bring in competition because of the 80-man roster limit, people say it all the time, but this is really a reflection of it: You're really competing against everybody in the league. That was our approach. And with that, you have to trust your pro personnel board. This is something personnel felt was the right move, and we made the choice. It was a tough one, but we think it's going to improve our field position.
WSJ: [ul]Speaking of personnel, how much input do you have on that? Whether it's quarterback or punter or whatever position it is, if you're adamant about keeping someone or making a change, how much weight does your opinion carry?[/ul]
MM: [ul]I would like to think it has a strong consideration. Ted and I talk daily about our roster. I like our relationship and our ability to communicate on all fronts. He's in charge, though. He's the boss. But he told me when he interviewed me he would never shove a player down my throat and I'd have an opportunity to voice my opinion on every transaction. But at the end of the day, somebody has to make the final decision, and I think he does a good job of listening to everybody. He's not an emotional decision-maker, either. That's what I like about him. He's very even-keeled, very thorough, and he doesn't knee-jerk, which I think helps us.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]What's he like as your boss and your friend? He had a pretty rough offseason in the court of public opinion, and Favre's said some negative things about him lately again, too. What's he really like?[/ul]
MM: [ul]He's got a lot more personality than has been expressed. No. 1, he's as fine a person as I've ever been around. Very caring, strong Christian, cares about the players immensely, cares about the people in this building immensely, has a tremendous sense of responsibility to this organization, holds the importance of the Green Bay Packers in the highest regard. I don't think I could've been paired with a better person. As a first-year head coach, he was so steady with me, I never felt any pressure or disappointment. He handles the losses a hundred times better than I do. But this experience has been tough. And it's created a lot of conversation about things. To be honest with you, it's confirmed a lot of our beliefs about how this organization should be run and we feel very strongly we're doing everything in the best interest of the organization.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]How do you evaluate yourself and the job that you've done? What do you think you have done well, and what mistakes have you made?[/ul]
TT: [ul]I don't really think about that. You're so busy trying to keep the wheel turning that you don't have time for that. I don't know. I think it's best for someone else to do that. I suppose if one was to evaluate oneself, you'd be inclined to be more favorable to yourself. I think we're honest in that we go back and we evaluate each draft, each decision we make. We go back and study how we could've done it better. But in terms of big-picture, how-do-I-think-I'm-doing, I never really think in those terms.[/ul]
MM: [ul]We've improved. I take pride in that. I think our program, the way we train in-season, offseason I take a lot of pride in that. Our scheme development has moved forward. We haven't stayed stagnant. The term I hate, and we're all guilty of it, is, 'That's who we are. That's how we've always done it.' I know, but let's make sure we do it better. We've had some success. I'm very proud of the working environment we have here. I think it's important not to get a sense of being too comfortable. I want people to have confidence, but comfort can lead to laziness and complacency. Complacency is something I think can kill a successful operation.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]But can you achieve that without striking fear in the hearts of the people who work around you?[/ul]
MM: [ul]Micromanagement and fear to me are short-term solutions. I'm in disagreement with that management style. Because I think it creates emotion and direction in your people and motivation to get something done, but I think it's important for people to enjoy the environment they're in while also maintaining respect for that environment. That creates growth. Everybody has to have an opportunity to improve. You're either getting better or you're getting worse and that is so true about the NFL. You don't ever stay the same. And I think the tight environment limits that. You're always swelling up for the next game, and eventually, it always gets you and the bottom drops out on you. I think you need to hold people accountable, but you need to let them do their job. I never liked it when I had that guy who looked over my shoulder. I was never as good as I could be, working in that environment. So that's not the environment we have here.[/ul]
WSJ: [ul]You went 13-3 last year, you were an overtime interception away from the Super Bowl. You talk all the time about improving from within, but where is that improvement going to come from? There's really only two more steps you can go to improve on last year reaching the Super Bowl, and winning it.[/ul]
MM: [ul]See, winning football games is the end product, to me. I have to maintain my focus on improving the beginning of the product. I can't sit there and focus all my energy on just the win. Because there's so much work that goes on to get from the beginning to the end. That's the goal, and that's hard to do in this league, no doubt about it. I stay focused on improving the D-line, improving the parts. Maybe it's the backups, or new players. But I always stay focused on the beginning part. The end part is how many games you win. To me, that always takes care of itself. (If someone says), 'You didn't go 13-3 this year, so it's not a success,' that's really for you to judge. Success to me comes at different levels, because there's really only one successful team, and that's the one that wins the Super Bowl.[/ul]
TT: [ul]In your whole body of work as a player and as an administrator, you remember certain things. Sometimes a regular season game you just played the previous year, you may not remember any of the details. But games like that NFC Championship Game, you'll always remember. I'll always remember our win against Carolina to go to the Super Bowl in '96. I'll always remember the Denver Super Bowl loss, because it was so disappointing. The loss in San Francisco (in the playoffs) the following year, I'll always remember that. And the loss to the Giants goes amongst those. The difference between winning and losing in this league is so minute, to be on the losing side is so disheartening, you have to try to shield yourself. The important ones like that one, I don't think you ever let it go.
You play it week-to-week. You try to put yourself in position so you have a team that can compete and win week-in and week-out. Do you win 'em all? No. But if you play well, you have a chance to win. That's all you can ask for in the NFL. Every year, your schedule is different, things are topsy-turvy. I've never tried to predict seasons or how many games we're going to win. But I do think we have a good team, and I expect this team to win.[/ul]
That's some ballsy questions there.
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Sunday, September 7, 2008 9:49:01 PM(UTC)
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WSJ: Do you guys know what you're doing?
MIKE McCARTHY: What kind of question is that?
Sometimes these people just make me sick. I can't wait for Mike McCarthy to snap one day and choke a bitch.
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Sunday, September 7, 2008 9:59:11 PM(UTC)
Is Mike McCarthy gonna have to choke a bitch, I can't believe Mike McCarthy is gonna have to get out his car and choke a bitch
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Sunday, September 7, 2008 10:29:02 PM(UTC)
Those are pretty blunt questions, but the answers were interesting.
I wouldn't condone Wilde's questions, but as a fan I loved some of the answers his blunt questions got. Especially the one Ted answers about people thinking he is a raging egomaniac.
In the end though, I think Wilde got what he wanted: having his name get known in various circles.
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Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:54:03 PM(UTC)
When they start asking questions about the current Packer roster, I'll start reading interviews again.
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Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:59:09 PM(UTC)
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When they start asking questions about the current Packer roster, I'll start reading interviews again.
hah ... good stuff :)
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Monday, September 8, 2008 12:31:38 AM(UTC)
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When they start asking questions about the current Packer roster, I'll start reading interviews again.
So late monday/tuesday morning?
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Monday, September 8, 2008 12:34:26 AM(UTC)
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When they start asking questions about the current Packer roster, I'll start reading interviews again.
So late monday/tuesday morning?
LOLOLOL, one could hope....I won't hold my breath though.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 1:46:44 AM(UTC)
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" said:
WSJ: Do you guys know what you're doing?
MIKE McCARTHY: What kind of question is that?
Sometimes these people just make me sick. I can't wait for Mike McCarthy to snap one day and choke a bitch.
I disagree with you very strongly here.
This was hands down the best interview I've ever seen Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson do. Why? Because the questions were brutal. This wasn't some pussy Larry King interview. This was balls out brutality. Loved the questions. Nothing held back.
I liked how Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy both kept their composure. Made me respect them even more.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 6:49:02 AM(UTC)
I think it was an excellent interview.
Wilde threw some hard questions at them that weren't ignorant or condecending, instead of lobbing them easy ones or impossible questions. Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson handled the questions very well, giving informative answers.
I have a whole new respect for Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson after reading that interview.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 7:47:06 AM(UTC)
I wish Wilde would interview Favre.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 8:24:50 AM(UTC)
Well almost every naysayer wanted Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson to answer those questions at some point, Wilde may have gotten a "your not coming back" pass for these questions, but I agree they handled them pretty well.
I found the Ryan comment from Ted semi funny.. "Not knocking Ryan, but Frost is better" type response.. yep not knocking him. :lol:
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Monday, September 8, 2008 8:51:26 AM(UTC)
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I wish Wilde would interview Favre.
I hear you. This guy is no Greta.
The first question was kind of dumb, but after that I thought all the questions were fair. Excellent interview with both guys.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 9:14:03 AM(UTC)
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I wish Wilde would interview Favre.
I hear you. This guy is no Greta.
The first question was kind of dumb, but after that I thought all the questions were fair. Excellent interview with both guys.
Thats EXACTLY what i meant!
If Greta would have done THIS interview, she would have asked Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy "Boxers, or briefs?" :compress:
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Monday, September 8, 2008 11:11:40 AM(UTC)
i liked MM's response to the "what's Ted Thompson like as a boss & friend". gave me alot of insight into the man.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 11:19:04 AM(UTC)
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WSJ: Do you guys know what you're doing?
MIKE McCARTHY: What kind of question is that?
Sometimes these people just make me sick. I can't wait for Mike McCarthy to snap one day and choke a bitch. [\quote]
Maybe he can start with you.
Or maybe himself....
From my chair, that's all that's ever mattered. I wasn't the pretty girl when I was hired, so that was an experience we were able to overcome.
Can anyone photoshop McCarthy as the "prettiest girl".
That would be funny. Or maybe just find a current picture of his daughter!
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Monday, September 8, 2008 12:35:38 PM(UTC)
What are you talking about?
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Monday, September 8, 2008 12:53:59 PM(UTC)
Jason Wilde is a madman. Great interview.
I love the fact that he's asking questions like the average fan would. He's obviously not afraid of making enemies.
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Monday, September 8, 2008 1:02:05 PM(UTC)
I thought it was significant that McCarthy finally backed off from saying that he's going to emphasize the run. It's about time. These days, the NFL is mostly a passing league. Check out this article by Michael Lombardi. Scan down to his second point:
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I thought it was significant that McCarthy finally backed off from saying that he's going to emphasize the run. It's about time. These days, the NFL is mostly a passing league. Check out this article by Michael Lombardi. Scan down to his second point:
The thing is, they should have figured this out in the 80s. The Niners won 5 SBs, 4 in the 80s and 1 in the 90s, by passing. The lone exception for a dominant team that mostly ran were the Cows, but their passing game was pretty dang good too when it needed to be.
You need a QB that completes passes and doesn't turn the ball over.
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This former A list celebrity who has had drinking issues in the past which has probably contributed to her drop to B list, was found passed out drunk in her driveway next to one of her cars which was on.
Time for AA is right auntliddy. I know of someone who did something similar, except he absently left the car running after pulling it into the garage and hitting the garage door button, then went into the house and passed out. The whole family was found dead 3 days later because the AC system drew exhaust fumes into the home all night long.ReplyCancel
that is absolutely awful, phoenix. holy shit. so fucking awful.ReplyCancel
That's an awful story, Phoenix. 🙁
What is Chelsea Handler's rating? That's who I thought of…ReplyCancel
Kiki DrunkstReplyCancel
The ranking doesn't fit, bit I immediately thought of my girl Tara Reid. Her drunken shenanigans are epic!
Don't know where to put this but I found it interesting…
IDK if people still follow the MV blind, but did Britney fir for the clues? All I can remember is the 13 letter one, and she fits for that.ReplyCancel
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I am OBSESSED with the MV blind and IIRC Britney was eliminated but I'm not for sure. Does anyone else remember if Britney was eliminated? You know, I was watching her Femme Fatale concert the other day and couldn't get over how she was barely dancing but still lip synched through the whole show. But I love me some Britney and would be so heartbroken if she was MV. 🙁 I lean towards J-Lo cuz all the clues really match her. The thing that stops me is that her singing voice really does match her talking voice. So damn, stumped on that one.ReplyCancel
From what I recall-
MV had 13 letters, was/is married, has kid(s), and was big during 2000-2001.
I think Britney was eliminated because somebody heard her sing Happy Birthday or something like that! If the blind is true, then I'm leaning towards Britney, over J-Lo.ReplyCancel
Wasn't there a blind reveal about Xtina having a bodyguard just for the purpose of keeping her alive when she got drunk? I'm leaning towards Chelsea on this one.
About MV, that's very interesting about Britney and frankly the world would be more shocked if Britney was MV rather than JLo.ReplyCancel
I.was thinking the same thing about talking /singing voices. But ALL singers in question have similar talking /singing voices.ReplyCancel
Um…..Sherry, Jim is not one of the singers in question. Lol
All of the suspected women have similar speaking /singing voices.
Shout out to u for making a funny, though.
Its a good thing that ol Jim doesn't sing like Gomer Pyle sounds.
That could b pretty awesome!ReplyCancel
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It doesn't have to be accidental; someone in my town decided to commit suicide by sitting in their closed garage w/their car running, he unfortunately also took out his elderly neighbor who lived next door in the attached duplex.ReplyCancel
I know someone who fell asleep with their car running and the garage door closed and died. I never start my car til the door is done opening, and never close the door til the cars off. It's better to let the garage air out for a bit.ReplyCancel
Of course if you're impaired you might not be thinking of any of that.ReplyCancel
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October 17 2008 01:29PM
Are the Gods of liquor poisoning kidding us? Back to back Fri-Sat night games against Calgary? Someone call the liver replacement clinic – we will need to book a 7 AM appointment on Monday morning.
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October 17 2008, 08:43PM
Brule is?
Brule has 2G 1A in 3 games so far...
October 17 2008, 08:44PM
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October 17 2008, 08:46PM
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October 17 2008, 08:48PM
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October 17 2008, 08:50PM
For the record I have been to 6 Oilers games in Calgary and the Oilers are 0-6
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I hate the bald fountain tire guy
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Friggin' Bertuzzi.
Gawd he's ugly
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No chance for JDD
Wanye says: Greb Says: Baaaaaa
I don't think the tide really turned...
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October 17 2008, 09:11PM
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Big Mac is under 2 minutes so far - what a waste of a roster spot.
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Someone needs to kill Sarich Pronto
"Big Mac is under 2 minutes so far - what a waste of a roster spot."
This game has been pretty straight forward with no fighting. I think that the Oil want to keep the weapon on the bench, staring, thinking, chewing nails
No one in the Flames line up that Stortini can't match up with. They need Huggy Bear to hit people on a regular shift, get under the Flames skin and draw some more PPs.
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But no one is scared of him. No One.
And Big Mac on the bench isn't stopping the Flames from trying to level our smaller players either.
So they're playing Co-Ed Rec league rules now. No body contact.
Nice save JDD!!!!
October 17 2008, 09:23PM
And that glove save just ended Roli's career
That was hot!!!!
October 17 2008, 09:25PM
"Wanye Gretz Says: October 17th, 2008 at 9:23 pm And that glove save just ended Roli's career"
The Truth has been spoken... lol
It was more of a jock save than anything else.
October 17 2008, 09:26PM
I'm at work, sitting watching this game on the Oilers website ticker.... and reading these comments!!! I'm freaking out. What happened to Souray? Is this game as Awesome as I am imagining?
1st Star - Nilsson 2nd Star - JDD 3rd Star - Cole
This is a good finish!!!
Check out that faceoff win!
October 17 2008, 09:28PM
3 and 000000
October 17 2008, 09:28PM
I haven't seen Souray since he was hit by Bertuzzi.....
October 17 2008, 09:29PM
I will put $1,000,000 that tomorrow will be an amazing game. Kipper will start again tired and the fights will be going down
And the Oilers win another, playing their best game of the season so far, improving their record to 3-0-0!!!
October 17 2008, 09:30PM
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These women chose Miss Dior: Jane Russell, Liz Taylor, Ingrid Bergman, Grace Kelly, Lauren Bacall, Gina Lollobrigida and Sophia Loren. These stars of the Miss Dior legend are testament to an emblematic creation.
Today, Natalie Portman embodies this femininity that is steeped in audacity and freedom.
the bottle
Christian Dior designed the Miss Dior bottle to mirror his silhouettes. Combined within this piece of crystal were all his much-loved signature hallmarks.
In 1950, the shape of the bottle reflected changes within Dior couture. "Cut like a suit", its structure combined softness with a geometric design, featuring gentle curves in contrast with pure lines.
Steeped in timeless Dior styling, it featured a houndstooth check pattern engraved into the glass. Borrowed from men's wardrobes, houndstooth check was chosen by the couturier as the result of a genius idea to give it a feminine twist, in a move that was typical of his quirky style. Infinitely romantic, the couture bow tied at the collar asserts its sophisticated look and represents the art of beautiful bows that is so characteristic of Dior styling. From masculine to feminine, the Miss Dior bottle rewrote all the rules of aesthetics and inspired a fantasy world of creative design.
Miss Dior signature
by François Demachy
Perfumer-Designer at the House of Dior
The Artists
Carte blanche to 17 contemporary artists
Polly Apfelbaum, the American artist created an enormous rainbow-coloured carpet inspired by the houndstooth motif that adorns the Miss Dior bottle.
Lara Baladi, the Egyptian-Lebanese photographer and director was inspired by a quote from Christian Dior: "Miss Dior was born of evenings in Provence alive with fireflies, where green jasmine serves as a counterpoint to the melody of the night and the land." She created a playful and fascinating film that transports the viewer into a starry night scene featuring a cast of tiny dancing fireflies, embedded images and a crop of poetic minor characters.
Carole Benzaken, the French painter and sculptor was inspired by the square cap of the Miss Dior bottle, which is exhibited for the occasion in a vintage incarnation. The artist chose to render the very concept of "olfactory exhalation" in incorporating vats of perfume into an arborescence of glass branches.
The Korean artist Lee Bul has chosen to explore the effect of a mirror between a woman and a muse. Inspired by this idea of a muse, she has developed a concept based on the idea of infinite reflections for a visually striking experience. Within this perspective, she has created a monumental crystal and metal structure inviting visitors to enter within.
Karen Kilimnik, the American painter was inspired by the luxurious "Folies" presentation cases of which Christian Dior was particularly fond, such as that inspired by the Temple of Love in the Queen's Hamlet in Versailles. She chose to create a shoulder-high reconstruction of the enchanted, colourful and bucolic "Folies" décor.
The Chinese photographer Liu Lijie has put together a triptych inspired by the fan, so dear to Christian Dior.
Both an instrument and synonymous of a passionate admirer, it carries the artist away in several different directions. It features in the skirt movement of a young woman who gazes hypnotically at a gigantic metal object floating in the sky.
This talented young Chinese photographer exudes poetry and sensitivity through her work, reflecting the fragrance's ethereal grace.
Carla Mattii, the loquacious Italian artist was inspired by the Rose, which first appears in a poster by illustrator René Gruau. She chose to create a bed of white antique roses by using 3D technology to produce tiny cutouts in a special material.v
Maria Nepomuceno, the Brazilian sculptor made the Miss Dior bottle her starting point for her brightly coloured installation. Ceramic reproductions of bottles appear to spawn a tentacled organic mesh of pearls, crochet and plastic.
Iranian photographer and director Shirin Neshat chose to film the famous muse of Miss Dior, Natalie Portman. Her black-and-white film shot on a deserted beach captures the unmistakable vitality of a heroine who has conquered dark forces.
Ma Qiusha works with a transgressive approach to reveal the sensitive nature of the feminine body. With her unique perspective, this Chinese artist, born and based in Beijing, imagines photos and videos with a strong emotional power. For Dior, Ma Qiusha created a short film, called Sleeping Beauty, full of colors and luminosity, in which a white frame frozen with ice turns slowly into a magic garden surrounding a sleeping girl in a Dior Couture dress, as a tribute to beauty and the spirit of Miss Dior. At the end of the film, a pair of Dior gloves - an iconic code for Miss Dior - slowly awakens her.
Tomoko Shioyasu, the Japanese artist pays homage to the Rose, queen of the Dior garden, by drawing on Victoire de Castellane's creations for Dior Fine Jewellery. The artist created a meticulously cut paper tapestry of an immaculate white rose.
American sculptor Alyson Shotz also chose to render the iconic Dior Rose. She created this enormous structure covered with dichroic film, a light-reflecting material. Her ethereal "rose skeleton", a futuristic beauty in acidulated colours, glints and shimmers in the space with surprising grace.
The British photographer Hannah Starkey has chosen bows as her source of inspiration, exploring the abstract characteristics of ribbon. Her work pays homage to the swan illustrated by René Gruau for Miss Dior in 1949.
She concentrates on its majestic lines and sublime simplicity, thus combining all the elements that lie right at the heart of Miss Dior.
Joana Vasconcelos, the Portuguese sculptor, who is known for her outsized works, interpreted the dagger bow that decorates the neck of the Miss Dior bottle. Her mischievious giant bow is composed of hundreds of bottles of… J'adore! The message is clear: I adore Miss Dior!
French designer Ionna Vautrin embraced Miss Dior's glove, as illustrated in an original poster by René Gruau. She created a pavilion roofed entirely with black, white and pink gloves.
Chinese artist Liang Yuanwei presents a canvas decorated with a floral motif, an infinitely subtle tribute to the Miss Dior dress embroidered with a carpet of flowers which was created by the couturier to accompany his perfume in 1949.
The Slovenian designer Nika Zupanc has taken Dior's much-loved cannage motif as her inspiration. She has designed 'A Room of One's Own' inspired by the writer Virginia Woolf. In pink and black, this space is both an accessible birdcage and a luxurious sanctuary. It contains a chair with a bow-shaped backrest, perfect for reflection and writing.
Ma Qiusha
Carole Benzaken
Lee Bul
Shirin Neshat
Joana Vasconcelos
Nika Zupanc
Ullens Center for Contemporary Art ,
at the heart of contemporary design
Since opening in 2007, the Ullens Center for Contemporary Art has hosted internationally renowned exhibitions and showcased the finest Chinese designs. Renovated by Jean-Michel Wilmotte and Qingyun Ma, the old former 1950s industrial building, influenced by Bauhaus, reflects the artistic effervescence of District 798, which has become an area of contemporary art with the UCCA since this key period.
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artwork credits
Polly Apfelbaum
Rainbow Nirvana Houndstooth, 2012
Dyed wool, 543.6 x 627.4 cm
Courtesy of Polly Apfelbaum and Lucien Terras Inc., New York.
Image © Jason Mandella
Project sponsored by Dior
Lara Baladi
Don't Touch Me Tomatoes & chachacha, 2013
Video installation by Lara Baladi
Courtesy Private Collection
© Lara Baladi 2013
Photo credit: copyright Lara Baladi
Carole Benzaken
Arborescence, 2012
Hand blown and drawn glass (glassmaker: Stéphane Rivoal).
50 cm x diameter 100 cm.
Courtesy Private Collection
Photo © David Bordes
© Courtesy Nathalie Obadia Gallery, Paris / Brussels
Produced with the assistance of Dior
Lee Bul
Cella, 2012-2013
Acrylic, acrylic mirrors, acrylic glass and beads, polyurethane paint on polystyrene, steel frame
380 cm x 300 cm x 300 cm
Courtesy Private Collection
Photo © Jeon Byung-cheol
Produced with the assistance of Dior
Karen Kilimnik
Sans titre (Folly for Dior), 2013
Wood, acrylic paint, silk flowers, glass bottle, LET, spotlights.v230 x 300 x 210 cmv© Courtesy of Galerie Eva Presenhuber, Zurich; 303 Gallery, New York; Sprüth Magers, Berlin, London
Liu Lijie
Fan-Fan, 2014
Inkjet on Hahnemuhle photo Rag 308 gsm Paper
100 cm x 130 cm
Courtesy Liu Lijie
© Liu Lijie
Carla Mattii
Type Garden #5, 2013
Sintered nylon, wood
110 x 110 x 80 cm
Courtesy of Carla Mattii & 1/unosunove, Rome
Image of completed work © Marco Biancucci
Maria Nepomuceno
Delilah, 2012-2013
Beads, rope, ceramic, glass fibre, resin, woven straw
320 x 410cm
© Maria Nepomuceno. Courtesy Maria Nepomuceno / Victoria Miro, London
Photo © Pepe Schettino
Shirin Neshat
Illusions and Mirrors, 2013
Video/sound installation on one screen, HD video, 14 mins, filmed in New York.
© Shirin Neshat
Courtesy of the artist and Gladstone Gallery, New York and Brussels
Film produced with the assistance of Dior
Ma Qiusha
Sleeping beauty, 2015
Duration: 3mn
© Ma Qiusha
Model: Wang Dan
Photographer : Zhao Yingchuan, Su Wenxiang
Assistant: Duan Yidan, Xiao Yu, Min Min
Tomoko Shioyasu
Spiral Rose, 2012
Synthetic paper
© photo: Nobutada Omote | SANDWICH
Courtesy Private Collection
Produced with the assistance of Dior
Alyson Shotz
Infinite Rose, 2013
Steel, acrylic, dichroic film,
169 cm x 182 cm x 99 cm
Courtesy of Alyson Shotz
Images © Jean-Christian Bourcart
Project sponsored by Dior
Hannah Starkey
Bow, 2013
120 cm x 160 cm
© Hannah Starkey
Courtesy Private Collection
Produced with the assistance of Dior
Joana Vasconcelos
J'adore Miss Dior, 2013
Dior J'Adore perfume bottles, polyester resin, glass fibre, RGB LEDs, microcontroller, power supply unit, metal
320 cm x 300 cm x 70 cm
Artist's collection / Courtesy Nathalie Obadia Gallery, Paris / Brussels
Courtesy Private Collection
Produced with the assistance of Dior
© Bruno Portela / Unidade Infinita Projectos
Ionna Vautrin
Gloriette, 2013
Wood, metal and fabric
275 cm x 300 cm
© Photo Michel Giesbrecht
Courtesy Ionna Vautrin
Produced with the assistance of Dior
Liang Yuanwei
In to the dust, 2012
Oil on canvas
300 cm x 250 cm
©photo Surface
Courtesy Private Collection
Produced with the assistance of Dior
Nika Zupanc
Room of one's own, 2013
Waterjet-cut laminated wood, stand and feet made of steel
281 cm x 269 cm x 532 cm
Image © Sasa Hess
Courtesy of Nika Zupanc
Project sponsored by Dior
portrait and video credits
Ma Qiusha
Portrait © Ma Qiusha
Video @ Duscher Tang,Wang Lei
Carole Benzaken
Portrait © Jennifer Westjohn
Video @ Paul Lamy
Lee Bul
Portrait © Park Jae-hyung
Video @ Sébastien Simon
Shirin Neshat
Portrait © Lina Bertucci
Video @ Libby Pratt
Joana Vasconcelos
Portrait Miguel Domingos/©Unidade Infinita Projectos
Video @ Victoire Le Tarnec
Ionna Vautrin
© Ionna Vautrin
Nika Zupanc
Portrait ©photo Sasa Hess
Video @ Sasa Hess
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Skip to comments.Black Americas True Nemesis: Liberals, Not Zimmerman
Posted on 07/27/2013 4:54:30 AM PDT by Lloyd Marcus
In the midst of all the racial hullabaloo stirred up by so-called advocates for black empowerment after the Zimmerman trail, guess who is really being harmed? Answer: black America.
All of you black pastors, black politicians, and black celebs who have joined Sharpton and the MSM's lynch mob to "get Zimmerman" should be ashamed of yourselves. You are doing a huge disservice to the very people you claim to champion by chasing a straw man while ignoring the real issues that are devastating black America.
Everyone knows that the black community is a mess. White folks ain't killin' us. We are killing each other. Over 70 and increasing percent of black kids grow up in fatherless homes. Researchers warn that we blacks are aborting ourselves into extinction. Black school dropout rates are at epidemic levels. Fatherless households and school dropouts fuel through the roof high black unemployment, gangs, and incarcerations.
And yet, all of you so-called defenders of black America are hell-bent on destroying the life of one Hispanic for defending himself. Displaying remarkable evil intent, the MSM launched a false narrative filled with lies about the incident, not giving a darn about the consequences, like loss of property and lives.
To strengthen their "America is racist" storyline the MSM creatively called Zimmerman a "white Hispanic." The MSM edited Zimmerman's 911 call to make him sound racist. To gin up black rage, the MSM promoted a photo of Martin as an innocent 12-year-old rather than the 17-year-old 6'2"-160-lb. thug he was at the time of the incident. Yes, Martin's history documents that he was a thug.
By the way, black activists saying that the jury declaring Zimmerman not guilty means that it is open season on young black men is pure evil race-baiting crap. Statistically, blacks are 50 times more likely to assault whites than vice-versa.
You black avengers should be totally outraged that CNN's white liberal host Piers Morgan presented Rachel Jeantel's ignorant ghetto language as representative of how we speak in the black community. Morgan called Jeantel "one smart cookie," and you knuckleheads probably consider Morgan and his condescending fellow white liberals our friends.
Please forgive my use of "knuckleheads." I just find it extremely frustrating that liberals continue to urinate on blacks and tell us it is the Republicans' fault...and we fall for it. Liberal pandering has destroyed the black family and continues to wreak havoc in the black community -- and my fellow blacks cannot see it. They continue to kiss white liberals' derrieres. Yes, I am frustrated.
In the eyes of a relative of mine, her son could do no wrong. She created a spoiled brat who grew up to be a jerk -- no self-discipline or respect for authority. His personal relationships were disasters. He could not keep a job. He died young. While I believe that everyone is ultimately responsible for his own behavior, this boy's mom's lack of parenting contributed to his demise.
Folks, this is exactly what liberal black leaders and liberal whites having been doing to blacks: refusing to hold us accountable for destructive behavior and making excuses for us.
Real compassion is honestly dealing with the issues plaguing the black community rather than so-called advocates (Democrats and the MSM) using our dysfunction for their political and financial gain.
All of you black celebs and black politicians demanding Zimmerman's head on a platter make mega-millions of dollars a year. With blacks being only 12% of the population, you would not be who you are without white support. Thus, your accusation that America is hostile towards black males is absurd, racist, and worst of all, discouraging to young blacks.
America is the greatest land of opportunity on the planet for all who choose to go for it. Period! End of subject!
Black advocates indulging blacks in irresponsible self-destructive behavior serve only to undermine black progress, creating spoiled, entitlement-minded, undisciplined, hopeless, and angry black youths. Do you guys not see the disservice you are doing to your own people? It is the same as bad parenting.
But here is what is truly sad and frustrating: every word in this article is true, and yet, liberals, black and white, will read it and seek to silence, punish, and destroy me. They'll call me a traitorous sellout, an Uncle Tom, and a self-loathing stupid N-word.
Meanwhile, liberals' exploitation will further the decline and suffering of black America. Race-hustling ambulance-chasers like Sharpton will continue seeking opportunities to extort a buck and increase their political power. Liberals will continue treating us blacks like inferior idiots, demanding lowered standards and expectations. Lord, help us.
Black males will continue killing each other over the slightest dis. That 70% rate of black out-of-wed births and fatherless homes will continue rising, along with school dropouts, abortions, unemployment, and incarcerations. And blacks will continue rewarding liberal Democrats with almost 100% of their vote.
In keeping with liberals' lowering the bar for blacks, Rachel Jeantel will probably get her own reality TV show. Millions of black youths will be able to learn "new school," as Rachel described it, black language -- "creepy ass cracka" and "nigga." I wonder what her TV show will be titled. "Rachel Jeantel: She Be All Dat"?
Go ahead and accuse me of not being down with authentic blackness or of being a traitor to my race if you want to, but I will not be tuning into Rachel's show.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who inspired black excellence, must be turning over in his grave.
Lloyd Marcus, Proud Unhyphenated American
Chairman: http://www.conservativecampaign.org/
Great read Mr. Marcus!
Great essay, I'm going to send it to a few of my liberal relatives.
Obama loves the Zimmerman controversy....All the IRS, NSC and every other piece of cr** that Obama has engaged in has disappeared from the news.
The Democrats have RUINED almost an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE and have kept them on the DEMOCRAT PLANTATION by telling them they CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES!!!
Lefty Blacks have the Stockholm Syndrome REALLY bad. WAKE UP!!!!! get out of your STUPOR!
Great article.
I can't find an untrue word, more's the pity.
What always puzzles me are the blacks I work with—intelligent, college-educated people who, nevertheless, remain loyal to the Democratic plantation. What the heck, people! Those Democrats never wanted you to succeed!
Wow great great article that no doubt will be completely ignored by the communist propaganda machine posing as our mains stream media.
There needs to be a Conservative Black Caucus. Not just politicians, but also community leaders.
That woman was paid off to say that stuff and it would not suprise me in the least if it was Obama.
First she says the case should have never gone to trial, and says it was a "show trial". Then while on the jury she votes to acquit.
Now she is saying all this BS about Zimmerman getting away with murder? Hell-oooo what's wrong with this picture?
Lloyd, I appreciate you and agree with much of what you are saying but I disagree when you say blacks are aborting themselves out of existence. The white majority are the ones non-populating out of existence.
Black men figured out years ago that they didn't have to pay for the children they fathered as long as Uncle Sam was willing to pay the freight. The Chicagos and Detroits are what you have when liberal governments run amok. They may be killing each other but that's just collateral damage as they advance themselves politically.
They've made it so it is impossible to even disagree with a black person (as long as he's not Benjamin Carson or Thomas Sowell or yourself) without the R-word being thrown and that stops any constructive conversation.
The gay community has picked up on this and are now engaged in the same thing. Disagree with them, even on moral, religious grounds, and the H-word is immediately hurled.
They will not police themselves and they are winning power. If many die in the process, so be it. It's all a political power struggle and their ball is being advanced, not ours.
America has become a ghetto culture with a ghetto economy and a ghetto president. And in a ghetto environment, there is no right or wrong. There's only survival and what you can get away with. Blacks and gays have long lived this way so they have learned to flex their political muscle as never before, regardless how unfair or unright that may be to anyone else.
They are beyond the point of being ashamed for their behavior. They'll just claim past injustices against their people exonerate their revenge mentality. They're just going to survive Chicago-style, Detroit-style, Soweto-style and eliminate anyone who stands opposed to them.
It's truly sad that this is America 2013 but only through God-led repentance will this course be changed and I just don't see that happening until our country gets much, much worse. God is withdrawing his hand of blessing upon America because we no longer seek Him or respect Him. That's true of the entire culture, black and white.
Continue to be the voice of reason, Lloyd, but don't expect anyone in the ghetto culture to heed it.
The real shame would have been if Zimmerman had been killed with that gun still stuck in his pocket...
Folks, this is exactly what liberal black leaders and liberal whites having been doing to blacks: refusing to hold us accountable for destructive behavior and making excuses for us.
Real compassion is honestly dealing with the issues plaguing the black community rather than so-called advocates (Democrats and the MSM) using our dysfunction for their political and financial gain.
An important read - and much needed hope for the black community...
He's right on this - the black abortion rate is sky high...
It is spelled DemoKKKrat.
So well said.
Over the last two weeks, I've read several stories of young people performing heroic acts. These are young, black children, teenages. The first was in Lancaster, PA, Temar Boggs, who rescued a 5 year old girl from a kidnapper. Then yesterday, a 10 year old girl in Atlanta, Zna Gresham, catches a 1 month old infant from a burning building. Both of them were interviewed on local television, and I was amazed at the poise and good manners they both possessed. Their parents should be sooo proud. What I would like to see is national news make THESE kinds of stories their headlines. The younger generation is our hope, too..and goodness knows, they need real role models, not race-baiting 'Reverends' and gansta rap musicians.
While their are real problems, 0bama and Holder only fan the flames and make things worse. I still am hopeful that with men like you and a growing number of black conservatives getting more exposure, that the page will eventually turn. I wish you well, sir.
Makes me so sad..
Don't be surprised. There has been a mini 1984 world going on within the black community for almost half a century now. Not only must they not say/think anything bad about liberalism/the democratic party, but they must all aver that they love them.
And they must even come of out schools believing that 2 + 2 = 5.
You are right on, sir!!! As I have often posted on this site, Barack Hussein Obama and his ilk of power hungry Black racist leaders are the worst nightmare for Black America!!! They have set Black folks back at least 100 years, dooming them to economic isolation. opportunity progress and forced living in an ever ongoing dangerous and criminal environment for their children and themselves!!! Sad commentary, that these folks are so blind to reality!!!
Hopefully some will read your words and take them to heart. It is sad when a black person tries to point out problems and are mostly attacked. Life could be better for blacks if more would open their mind to your words, Lloyd Marcus. Keep fighting the good fight and God bless.
Serious question...how many of these intelligent blacks you work with have a traditional family?
I was amazed by how many "educated" blacks still engage in having as many children with different partners as possible...
Poorly educated future breeder in America...she will pollute the future with lackluster spawn less educated than herself.
Head, meet nail.
Too bad the "sacrificial lambs" have it so deeply ingrained that they have a "right" to commit violent/criminal acts are being purposely kept dumbed down so they continue the works of their slave-masters.
The "plantation" would have died a graceful death if they hadn't been so deliberate about ensuring its continuance and insisting that their charges stayed firmly caged.
The "Idiocracy" effect of self-selected procreation that multiplies the number of people least qualified to advance humanity
I call this the "Idiocracy" effect, named after the movie of the same name (by Mike Judge). It simply means that humans who are least qualified to advance humanity are the most likely to have the most offspring.
Put simply, smart people have fewer babies, but the idiots procreate in massive numbers. This ultimately skews the demographic profile into a society filled with people of very low cognitive function who nevertheless represent the voting majority. From there, the downfall of society and the rise of the idiocracy is only a matter of time.
In a hundred years, this article you are reading right now will be incomprehensible to even high-level scholars of the future because it uses big words like "demographic" and "cognitive." Anyone who can do basic algebra will be considered a genius.
Blacks are irresponsible random breeders...in a few years we will soon be learning about increased levels of incest among blacks due to half bothers and sisters unknowingly sharing the same father procreate
Some Black Women cause most the trouble!
I was talking to one black guy who told me "You don't shoot someone over a fist fight". I told him it was not a "fist fight", it was a "bitch fight" with Trayvon sucker-punching Zimmerman.
Who starts bitch fights? Muggers do so they can rob you which was probably going through Zimmermans mind: This guy is going to rob me and kill me. So what would you do if you had a gun? Shoot the mofo! Look at this: Many example of bitch fights all used by muggers:
Gee what is he wearing here? Oh a hoodie!
Another hoodie this time beating a woman...
Fist fights? I don't think so.
Thank you, Mr. Marcus for being a voice of sanity in this matter. Here is another non-hyphenated-american who appreciates the truth of the matter.
I cant find an untrue word, mores the pity.
The irony is that blacks need exactly what white conservatives have for them: honest criticism. Day in and day out, conservatives lay out exactly what blacks need to do to get themselves out of their rut. They need to quit the self pity, get some self control, pull up their pants, get educated, and get with the program. Liberals have taught blacks that conservatives want them to fail, but that is 180 degrees backwards. Conservatives would rejoice to see blacks break out of their self-destructive patterns and thrive.
The money statement right there.
One philosophy of mine which I've not seen stated elsewhere, but which I think is very important, is "Strive to do unto others slightly better than they deserve." While society would fall into decay if people always strove to give others exactly what they deserved (unintentional slights would not be forgiven, but would accumulate until people refused to deal with each other), treating people too much better than they deserve can often be more harmful than would be treating them unjustly badly. Sometimes treating people much better than they deserve may be easier than holding them accountable for their actions, but the cases where doing so is the easiest course of action are often the ones where it is most harmful.
All too often liberals suggest "What's the harm in XXX?" and conservatives have no answer. I would suggest that certain kinds of "charity" are analogous to a person who fertilizes all the plants in his yard including the weeds. For the time being, the person may be using only his own resources to feed the weeds, and the person may have no intention of imposing on anyone else, but even if the person has no intention of forcing anyone else to feed his weeds, that doesn't mean his weeds won't force other people to feed them.
When liberals treat blacks so much better than they deserve it's really a form of contempt - and condescending and insulting... Too bad most blacks don't understand white people. If they did they'd never vote for a democrat again. Biden with his 'ya'll be in chains except for me' and Clinton's thing about being the 'first black President' ... What did people think that meant about Clinton? Tell me what traits Clinton had that made him 'black' and you'll see how insulting that designation was.
I enjoyed your thoughts on this supercat... insightful.
Such behavior can be motivated by contempt, but it's more often motivated by acquiescence. Those who decide that chasing down a $1,000 debt isn't worth $1,200 in legal fees, for example, may treat the debtor much better than deserved not out of any form of human kindness or charity, nor contempt, but rather a kind of laziness.
The path of least resistance is an interesting incentive...
I'm not aware of any economists commenting about the extent to which those who are willing to spend money to punish bad behavior benefit others, or those who let bad behaviors slide harm others, but failure to address such issues will lead to societal decay. If someone who picks a company at random and tries to cheat them of some small amount is sufficiently likely to get away with it, and sufficiently unlikely to suffer any significant consequences, that unscrupulous people can expect to profit from such behavior, such behavior will become widespread and impose major costs on businesses that pay off the crooks as well as those who spend money going after them. If, however, such crooks can expect to be pursued with enough vigor to make their schemes unprofitable, then few crooks will actually engage in such behavior, the total cost to businesses will be relatively slight.
As a simple example, suppose a business is faced with a choice of paying royalties to use the song "Happy Birthday" or opposing such royalties in court. Because the melody for "Happy Birthday" dates back to the nineteenth century under the title "Good morning to all", and has a documented association with the title "Happy Birthday to You" before the earliest possible copyright cutoff, I would consider implausible the notion that the song represents an original work which was not publicly disseminated before the copyright cutoff (much less before the claimed copyright date of 1935). I would expect that if someone wanted to dispute the copyright claim in court, that party would ultimately emerge victorious. On the other hand, while there are many people and companies who could benefit by having courts recognize "Happy Birthday" as being in the public domain, there would be relatively little benefit to any particular one of them. Because the damage from the false copyright claim is so dilute, there's little incentive for anyone to fight the claim. It's easier to simply give the claimed copyright holders money to which they are not entitled. A company which refused to tender such money and fought the claim vigorously would save relatively little in royalty costs, compared to the legal costs necessary to achieve victory.
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Comments: awesome baits! whatever you do, don't get the g2, step all the way up and get yourself one of these. As far as im concerned the g2 is nothing but an over sized key float. yeah they're good but the performance is obvious. you wont be disappointed
From: Matt: San Diego, CA 12/5/14
Comments: The wood punkers have a skinnier profile compared to the G2.. makes the 8" glide well for such a large and heavy bait. The 8" is a bit larger than 8" and is a significantly bigger bait than the 6" and esp over the 5" G2 models..makes a big entry splash..sounds like the local beaver diving about. Don't know if its scarin' the fish but I have not hooked one yet on it.. but I'll keep giving it a chance when I go out..
From: Eins: NJ
Comments: Great lure but they meet to make a 10 inch so you don't catch as many shakers with it
From: Brandon: CA
Comments: I have a 5" and 6" lunker punker. On my first cast a small 12" bass attacked my 5" punker. The lure was half its size! Not much luck on my 6" mostly cause I cannot work it well enough. The 6" is heavy and you need a long heavy backbone rod with a fast tip.. essentially in my opinion, to fish Lunker Punkers the way they're suposed to be fished, you need damn good quality rods.
From: Ric: NJ
Comments: I bought 2 of the 6" and man I was not disappointed.... however a little. I did not switch out the hooks on the bait, I got hit so hard when I set the hook on the monster it bent my hooks straight... =[ till next time "tank" the one that got away.. I will for sure be changing all hooks and split rings from now on..
From: Levi: Vacaville
Comments: When this bait gets bit you will not be disappointed. Top water action and monster fish at the end of your line, what more can you ask for? Only down side is its expensive to have a GOOD set up to throw these big baits.
From: HmoobYaj: San Diego
Comments: Striper knocked this lure four feet out of the water yesterday. Today they hit it four times! Believe! This bait means business! Both sizes work!
From: Tacklejunkie
Comments: 9in. trout or foiled trout kills the pig stripers and catches the occasional largie. Only thing is the the hooks need to be swapped out with 3/0 owner stingers.
From: Josh: DVL, Cali
Comments: Every striper Ive caught on the punker has been 10 lbs+, every LM over 6lbs. Big fish bait period! There comming out with a 4" wood punker soon btw. Cant wait!
From: Seth: Lodi, CA
Comments: No joke, I just saw my friend pull in a 4 and 7lber LM today. He also got multiple hits that knocked this lure into the air multiple times. They are heavy, but they pull in heavy bass as well. Awesome bait! I like the wood ones a lot better than the plastics.
From: Brian: San Francisco, CA
Comments: Bought the 6" model and took it out for the first time last night! Hooked 2 and got 1 in! Can u believe it was only a 1 lb. Largemouth!! I throw it on a 7'8" Carrot Stix Gold Heavy rod, Revo Toro HS, Big game 25lb.
From: Grant: Susanville, CA
Comments:How can there be no reviews of such a great bait? The Punker in my opinion, is one of the best big baits ever made. It just simply catches fish everywhere and of all sizes. It has that side to side erratic "make them bite" action. I've done well on both sizes of the wood baits; and have also done well on the plastic. Don't know how many bass I've caught on Punkers. So fun to fish and the bass just drill them. I own 7 of them and will probably own more.
From:ACH: So Cal, USA