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Skip to comments.The Secret Republican Plan to Repeal 'Obamacare'
Posted on 03/28/2013 6:10:14 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
A few minutes after the Supreme Court issued its landmark decision upholding President Obamas health care law last summer, a senior adviser to Mitch McConnell walked into the Senate Republican leaders office to gauge his reaction.
McConnell was clearly disappointed, and for good reason. For many conservatives, the decision was the death knell in a three-year fight to defeat reforms that epitomized everything they thought was wrong with Obamas governing philosophy. But where some saw finality, McConnell saw opportunity and still does.
Sitting at his desk a stones throw from the Senate chamber, McConnell turned to the aide and, with characteristic directness, said: This decision is too cute. But I think we got something with this tax issue.
He was referring to the courts ruling that the heart of the 2010 Affordable Care Act, the so-called individual mandate that requires everyone in the country to buy health insurance or pay a penalty, was a tax. And while McConnell thought calling the mandate a tax was a rather creative way to uphold the law, it also opened a new front in his battle to repeal it.
McConnell, a master of byzantine Senate procedure, immediately realized that, as a tax, the individual mandate would be subject to the budget reconciliation process, which exempted it from the filibuster. In other words, McConnell had just struck upon how to repeal Obamacare with a simple majority vote.
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But, in the next two years, Republicans are looking to bring the issue back in a big way. And theyll start by trying to brand the law as one that costs too much and is not working as promised.
Democrats will be tempted to continue to write off the incoming fire as the empty rhetoric of a party fighting old battles. But that would be a mistake. During the health care debate, the GOPs coordinated attacks helped turn public opinion against reform. And in the past two years, no more than 45 percent of the public has viewed Obamacare favorably, according to the Kaiser Family Foundations tracking polls. Perhaps even more dangerous for Democrats, now-debunked myths spread by Republicans and conservative media remain lodged in the public consciousness. For instance, 40 percent of the public still believes the law includes death panels.
In the next two year????
Why not NOW!!
answer: THE GOP SUPPORTS OBAMACARE/ROMNEYCARE
or they would have passed a bill to kill it yesterday.
Shhhhhhhbh it's a secret!!!
Um...the death panels are not a myth. They aren't called death panels formally, but that is just what they are.
They cannot repeal it now. Can. Not.
My secret is that I despise Democrats and Republicans alike. Same critter, different restroom or coat closet.
I agree.
No, the answer is it will take the bad law in some people's faces draining their wallets before they wake their lazy butts up and vote something other than Democrat.
It is hard to fight a party that buys votes for power using the Treasury.
I'm not a big fan of McConnell...but his strategy here seems pretty good given the realities of the Senate.
How, exactly, would you propose they do that?
The House would vote to repeal it. Then what?
Why not?
Why NOT try?
Answer: MITT ROMNEY and GOP began ObamaCARE/DeathCARE
and they WILL NEVER GET RID OF IT.
It has to be secret because they are using stealth technology. You will never see it coming.
How about before we get rid of Obamacare, we bring back US jobs?
What is the GOP going to do?
Either back US jobs. Or don't. But if you don't back US jobs, then get out of the way as for who pays for healthcare, because it's not going to work as an employer paid benefit if you do not have a JOB.
Stop getting rid of US jobs. Then we'll talk.
I presume everybody knows how the Constitution works in regard to passage of legislation.
They set the standards of care ~ and are very real. If the standard of care for 70 year olds is a pain pill, that's what you get.
Did Sen. Ted Cruz vote for or against the Continuing Resolution?
"Why not now?"
Another question ask: why not in the 2012 Senate election? Why not nationalize the election back then, saying "Vote in Republicans and we can and will repeal the tax. Period."
It needs to be secret because why would you advertise to the enemy what your plans are before you have the tools to implement your strategy?
Defunding will not be enough...you need to replace it with something like tort reform, tax credits, HSA provisions all of which you will not get with a dem controlled senate. I'd rather win with a longer term strategy than with a Pyrrhic victory just so I can feel good for a day.
Bill originate in the House and not the White HUT.
When the Republicans (unlikely) get one testicle
between them, they will speak up.
Over and over.
Instead, they lie down as America dies like the frog
in the proverbial boiling pot.
You have got to be kidding me.
That is similar to the treasonous concept that USG can pass a bill before they look at it.
The majority of Repubs are not on our side. There _are_ some great congressmen, though.
How would you repeal the tax with a president who would veto your bill?
one more point...
THEY DO NOTHING because THEIR OWN FAMILIES
are exempt from ObamaCARE.
BUT FOR THE EXEMPTION from the Law, they might not be mute.
Unfortunately, the identity of the nominee foreclosed on that particular campaign strategy...
Ted Cruz will not stand alone. Hell be joined by the Senator from Utah.
Heres a statement from Senator Lees office:
I will join Senator Cruz in objecting to Senate consideration of any Continuing Resolution without a vote on delaying funding of Obamacare. Defunding Obamacare is essential to restoring economic growth. At this time of fiscal turmoil, Congress shouldnt borrow more money to pay for something we cannot afford. Although I would prefer a full repeal of Obamacare, we should at minimum delay its implementation until our country is experiencing real, sustained economic growth.
"Those takers and the government union thieves make up that 47%, the rest are going to get pissed as more of the law is enacted IMO."
What about all of the many unions exepmt from Obamacare by waivers?
That should tell everyone how bad it is before the costs skyrocket out of control, but voters would then have to use truth and logic.
Never let common sense get in the way of an opportunity to bash the GOP. The law can't be repealed without a majority in both the Senate and House of Representatives as well as a President willing to sign the repeal legislation. That is not possible until January 2017 at the earliest. As a realist, Senator McConnell is trying to create the conditions for action when and if the pieces are ever in place. But never fear, you will have ample opportunity in the intervening time to criticize him for not doing the impossible.
Many democrats will "play" conservative, say they made a mistake and say they're going to repeal obamacare and the suckers will fall for it and re-elect them. Just like republicans.
Are they going to employ this strategy before or after they organize their way out of a paper bag?
Why does this evoke images of Animal House scenes?
Oh yes, it's very complex, we must pretend to support it to defeat it. /s
I do indeed! I have asked this question on several FR threads, and nobody seems to know. Thank you!
"Why not NOW!!"
Exactly. We have Obamacare because the elites in both parties wanted it.
Thanks for the answer. I knew he'd proposed an amendment against it, but couldn't get to the actual vote. Too late, too tired ;)
Bless you, FRiend, for posting this. I've seen it on a couple of threads. Good work :)
Bullshit!! there is no Republican plan to repeal obamacare, secret or not. That is what the Republican candidates said in 2009 and 2010, "Elect me and I will repeal obamacare" and I do believe that , for the most part, those saying that had the intention to do so. However, when they got to Congress, they were neutralized by the Republican leadership who had absolutely no intention or desire to repeal obamacare. In 2010 I bit on that line, but since I have learned. Learned what? The main difference between the Republican Party and Democrat Party is is the spelling.
Don't fund it....,quite simple really.
Force the thugs, both republicans and democrats, that want this garbage to defend it in public. Then attack...attack....attack...attack...and then attack some more....!
All spending and taxation bills begin in the House. Just don't fund obamacare..!
Not sure what you are smoking, but the GOP has NO INTEREST
in stopping ObamaCARE (because they are not under its
death panels, nor their families, nor their staff).
THE GOP has sold out to Romney and Romney Agendae.
"Bullshit!! there is no Republican plan to repeal obamacare, secret or not."
Amen brother...! We have obamacare because the politicians want it..We have a huge deficit because the politicians want it,...We have a huge debt because the politicians want it...We have illegals pouring over the boarder by the millions for one reason and one reason only..., the politicians want it....!
Follow the money.....!!!!
How do they not fund it...if there is no budget?
Obamacare expenditures are built into the Current Services Baseline which, if there is no agreed upon Congressional budget, automatically funds expenditures. > So long as the Senate and the House do not agree upon a budget -- and the appropriation bills are not signed by the President -- Obamacare is on autopilot and there is little the House can do about it.
Other than shut down the government -- which the 'Pubbies are not prepared to do -- because they can't trust the President to manage the money and not default on our debt (or cease writing Social Security checks or cease paying the military their wages, etc.)
The fact that the Democrat Senate has not brought forth a budget for four years is not by accident. They knew they would lose the House in 2010, so they set up a circumstance that essentially chained the Republican House to the status quo ante.
Everybody in Congress is covered by the FEHB ~ same agency that arranges medical insurance for all federal employees. I sometimes run into folks from the HIll at Kaiser ~ so what's going on?
Why dont you read it.
Moslems, Amish, and Congress and their staff are exempt.
WTF happened to "EQUAL UNDER THE LAW".
Answer: It went the way of truth, justice, and transparency.
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#3 – Mark Wahlberg hooked up with this A list mostly movie actress, who is an Academy Award winner/nominee but dumped her after a couple of weeks because she would complain all the time unless she was smoking pot.
Gwyneth Paltrow
She seems too uptight to be a potheadReplyCancel
Well, it obviously didn't give her the munchiesReplyCancel
I don't understand how anyone who eats organic and only chooses clean healthy foods to put in their body would allow smoke, even from pot. If I ever do it again I'd only eat it or maybe vaporizing but never yucky harmful smoke!ReplyCancel
Lady H. FTW
I actually thought she was complaining about his pot smoking the first time I read this.ReplyCancel
Man I can't see them together. And I don't want to see either one of them.ReplyCancel
i wanna hump marky mark so bad.
that is all…ReplyCancel
I toke once in a while but potheads annoy me….Whats her vice these days? Organic buttermilk from Switzerland?ReplyCancel
Morning, Sensei Charlie! Morning, Derek!ReplyCancel
She was with Pitt for a long time, yes she's a stoner. Pitt seems to like the girls that come accross up tight, before he got with Angie.ReplyCancel
good morning queen!ReplyCancel
I would have never thought Goop to be a stoner
I almost like her nowReplyCancel
Well look at the size of Dirk Digglers dick!ReplyCancel
Would've thought Marky-Mark had better taste. Oh yeah – he got that. Bad experience with the Goofball does that to guys.ReplyCancel
Morning, Guido! How goes the ocular deficiency battle?ReplyCancel
I too complain when I'm not stoned. Goop is just like me!ReplyCancel
I just can't picture it. They just seem so different. And ickyReplyCancel
Opposites attract TTMReplyCancel
She only dates for her career so this had to be when he was still getting all the new movie star hype & everyone still liked him before they found out that he's a massive jackass.ReplyCancel
Mark is so gross and she's so annoying. They're perfect for each other!ReplyCancel
That's true, sandy. Just sort of brieflyReplyCancel
Ewwww. From both of their perspectives.
(@fancysn – ur comment still tickled me. And I did like his abs long ago.
My good friend did a significant role in a significant movie for MW, my friend, who's super mild mannered, and very kind / thoughtful, told me some things that would make good blinds. But, u prob could care less if u just wanna hit it and quit it. Lolz. Just leave the maryjane at home and don't complain!)
Sensei Charlie, I'm back at the eye clinic for a week. It's the eye patch club here.
Saw the saddest little girl in the waiting room with me so I pulled out the bedazzled eye patch my nieces made for me and gave it to her. Turned that frown upside down!
I'm at the halfway point and the second (final) treatment is over. Pain has been been pretty stiff but we oneeyed types are made of stern stuff.
Still pouring with one finger in the glass… for now. 8/2… 8/2…. 8/2… I should be all repaired shortly.ReplyCancel

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After the home loss to Westridge at the end of August, the Pirates were hungry to get back to their winning ways against league foe Wasatch Academy on Sept. 10 at Wasatch Academy's home field in Mt. Pleasant. In retrospect, everything about the away trip was pleasant-the weather, the eating fried cheese cake on the bus after the games and the scores of the two games (16-6 and 13-6), both in favor of the Pirates.
From the top of the first inning in the first game where Caleb White ends up going four for four at the plate in the first game (seven for eight for the two games); to the bottom of the fifth inning in the second game with Wasatch Academy's #5 hitter taking the first pitch from Elias Polito, hitting it to Hayden Pfander (third base) who fires one to Caleb White at first for the final out of the two game rout.
In the first game, the Pirates scored three runs in the first two innings while holding Wasatch Academy scoreless. In the third inning, the pirates added 10 more runs while allowing four runs for Wasatch Academy. In the forth inning, the Pirates go scoreless while Tigers manage to add two more runs making it 16 to 6. The Pirates want to end the game early with the 10 run rule but must hold the Tigers scoreless as they were unable to add any extra runs during the top of the fifth inning.
The first up for the Tigers is their #9 hitter who bloops one to Justin Johnson whose on the pitchers mound, an easy throw to first and the first batter is down. The second batter up swings at an 0-2 pitch but misses and so does catcher Spencer Marshall. The foot race to first is on but Spencer quickly gathers it up and throws to first for the second out.
The third out is a bit more challenging. The batter takes the first pitch and hits it to left field. While the #3 batter is at the plate, the base runner steals second and third base. A wild pitch finds the runner heading to home where Spencer gathers it up and makes a nice toss to Justin who covered home for the final out. The game took twohours and 45 minutes and it ended twoinnings early.
The second game proved a bit more interesting. The Wasatch Academy Tigers jump out to a quick five run lead. In the bottom of the first the Pirates couldn't get the bats going and went scoreless.
During the second inning, four pirates took the plate but Elias Polito only allowed three for the Tigers. The Pirates finally got a run in the third and added three more in the fourth while 'E's fast ball had the Tigers go three up and three down for the two innings.
As the Pirates entered the top of the fifth inning, Caleb White blasts one to center for a single but the next two batters go down swinging when Greg Johnson comes to bat with two outs. Greg hits a single to left and the two out rally is on and ends with Caleb White, Hayden Pfander and Spencer Marshall each hitting three consecutive doubles.
On the bus ride home, Coach Parsons was overheard saying that he never lost faith in the Pirates when they were down at the end of four (of a five inning game) but he was scared.


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A Cessna airplane made a crash landing in the San Rafael desert within the Muddy Creek Wilderness Study area. A lady called in and reported it looked like a plane was trying to land at the Hidden Splendor air strip. But, then it didn't land and went down the Muddy where it didn't come back.
The pilot crashed on the Muddy and then hiked out. The crash was two and a half miles from the Hidden Splendor air strip.
The plane slammed into sand and a brigham tea bush. The plane was damaged and smashed in with the wings bent.
A company out of Phoenix, Ariz. was brought in to take the airplane out. Since the crash was in a wilderness study area special permission was obtained from the Bureau of Land Management to use a Polaris to bring out the wreckage.
The plane was taken apart and then brought out with the ATV.
The crash occurred on May 8 and Deputy Mike Jorgensen hiked into the area on May 9 to obtain pictures and take the report. There were no injuries in the crash. The men hiked out and went into Green River. The company, Bear Transport went into the area on May 14 to bring the plane out.
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Skip to comments.Foul conditions aboard stranded Carnival cruise ship Triumph: sewage running down the walls
Posted on 02/12/2013 10:26:50 AM PST by jimbo123
"I mean, it's horrible. There's no running water. There's no power. They are having to use the restroom in buckets and bags."
"It's like a bunch of savages on there," he added. "If you get on the blogs, they're saying that people are fighting over food and stuff."
Toby Barlow told CNN that his wife, Ann, a passenger on the ship, texted that the plumbing failed and people were defecating in bags and urinating in showers.
She also told him there's "sewage running down the walls and floors," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...
Why don't they use the poop deck?
Would make for a great Democrat National Convention site.
Amen. With their track record, it's a wonder they're still in business.
Note to self-—vacation only where the hordes of sheeples ain't.
"If someone had told me that kind of this was frowned upon."
Know how you feel. Mentioned earlier that I got norovirus on a cruise. Miserable to say the least.
Never again...
I wouldn't go on a Carnival cruise AT ALL.
They have laws against transfers.
And when you're sick, you still can't get off that ship. We were so sick and felt like prisoners in that small room.
There is no way to make a ship medically clean. All those passengers are touching surfaces everywhere you go, including the dining rooms. One passenger with bacterial germs or a virus can infect the whole ship fast - then you are sick and can't call your doctor, can't go to your doctor, can't use your own over the counter measures to help yourself, you are just stuck.
Why that speaker didn't come on and say there was medicine available, I don't know. The freaking speaker came on at 7 am every day telling of various activities. If I had a grenade I would have set it on top of the speaker with the pin out and walked out of the room until the speaker was silenced, then gone back to bed to sleep - that's how much I hated that speaker.
Life is a Carnival—The Band..
Carnival is the Chuck-E-Cheese of the high seas.
I advised my coworker to honeymoon on Royal Caribbean instead. They did & we have been invited to their house many times since.
That wuz quick ...
I heard this AM that two tugboats are on the way, and should arrive by THURSDAY!
Everyone on board is going to be sick.
Cruises suck.
So the part of the story that says full refund and another free cruise in the future is bogus?
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At least it is obvious to ME that my comment was sarcastic.
I didn't bother reading 'below the fold' because the lead in was so well written and presented and answered most questions.
(that also is sarcasm - looks like something an 8 yo would write,just missing a few 'ya knows' and 'likes').
Just got back from a wonderful 7 day cruise on Royal Caribbean. There were Purell stations EVERYWHERE, and you weren't even allowed in a dining area without using one. The captain announced that staff and crew were no longer shaking hands with passengers and there was a video running on TV showing the proper way to sanitize your hands with Purell.
My main thought was that I wished I were the Purell salesman!
We didn't get sick and had an incredible experience.
Zombies! A prelude to zombies with class in the near future (bond collapse, pension cuts, market collapse, government layoffs, etc.).
Yes, transferring food and water between ships presents minimal risk. If you drop a load of food into the drink, it's no big deal. Dropping a passenger in is a whole different story.
Yeah, I went on Carnival once, never again.
No, I assumed you had insider knowledge of the contracts.
I've been on a lot of cruises but never read the "fine print".
I believe they haven't evacuated them because an accident may happen on one of the lifeboats. Those boats are far up and not used very often. There was an incident a week ago in Malta where 8 crew were doing a lifeboat drill at the dock in calm water. The boat fell, killing 5.
No, I assumed you had insider knowledge of the contracts
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Ah, I see the 'cornfusion'....
I just reread and that SHOULD have been "UNLESS YOU REMAIN ABOARD"
Sorry about that....(and I scoffed at 'their editing - or lack of' <: <: <:)
Interesting comment.
I've been on several cruises on both Carnival and RC and would definitely rate Carnival as better, especially the grub.
Both are competitors in the "mass market" of cruises.
Welcome to Carnival Cruise Lines.
Tonight's special will be:
Cryptosporidium and Giardia
Gram Negative Bacteria
Hepatitis A
along with a nightcap of raw sewage running down the walls. Enjoy!
Now that's class...LOL
Yes, then every neighborhood in the U.S. will be just like that poor ship!
No they don't do that - and I didn't say they did - but there IS a group-think within the MSM. And it tends to run along political lines. Here's some examples: Walmart. Tea Party. Occupy. NOW. NRA. Liberal whistle blowers. Conservative whistle blowers. Democrats. Republicans. Oil Companies. Natural Food Stores. The "Arts'. Gays. Cops. Military. Green Energy, College Professors. Businessmen. ...
With few exceptions the MSM finds these groups GOOD: Occupy NOW Liberal whistle blowers, Democrats Natural Food Stores, Target, the Arts, NOW, Occupy, Green energy, Gays, and College Professors, Unions.
With few exceptions the MSM finds these groups BAD: Tea Party, conservative whistle blowers, NRA, Republicans, Oil Companies, Cops, the Military, Businessmen, Walmart...
The groups the MSM likes just happen to be groups that support Democrats - with people and money. I don't believe anyone in a newsroom looks up what the contributions are or arn't, but most people have an idea which groups tend liberal and which tend conservative. The MSM favors the one's who tend liberal.
If you think otherwise - please give me some examples. Facts work better than 'attitude'...
No they don't do that - and I didn't say they did... But there IS a group-think within the MSM. It runs along political lines. Here's some examples - how would the MSM 'feel' about these groups: Walmart. Tea Party. Occupy. NOW. NRA. Liberal whistle blowers. Conservative whistle blowers. Democrats. Republicans. Oil Companies. Natural Food Stores. The "Arts'. Gays. Cops. Military. Green Energy, College Professors. Businessmen. ...
With few exceptions the MSM finds these groups GOOD: Occupy NOW Liberal whistle blowers, Democrats Natural Food Stores, Target, the Arts, NOW, Occupy, Green energy, Gays, and College Professors, Unions.
With few exceptions the MSM finds these groups BAD: Tea Party, conservative whistle blowers, NRA, Republicans, Oil Companies, Cops, the Military, Businessmen, Walmart...
The groups the MSM likes just happen to be groups that support Democrats - with people and money. I don't believe anyone in a newsroom looks up what the contributions are or arn't, but most people have an idea which groups tend liberal and which tend conservative. The MSM favors groups that tend liberal.
If you think otherwise - please give me some examples. Facts are more welcome than 'attitude'... got some?
Which, of course, are geared towards union labor and overweening government nanniness which drive up the costs to the point that most of these people wouldn't be taking a cruise. There's a reason there aren't any lines with American-crewed ships.
There are some good ones, though. Holland-America and Cunard aren't bad, for example.
I remember my sister's first cruise in the eighties. She was so looking forward to it. It was Carnival. She's a foodie -- described it as a giant Shoney's with an ocean view.
It is being towed to Mobile AL.
"Which, of course, are geared towards union labor and overweening government nanniness which drive up the costs "
True, and I don't like unions any more than you do. That said, the cruise ships evidently look at cost cutting over safety. I can't imagine one of our Navy vessels being run like most of the cruise ships today. You've even got Captain Mario Hotpants, scheming on a woman while his ship is sinking over in Italy.
"just ask yourself why you would ever sail on a ship that was registered in LIberia or
Panama? Its to get around the cost of US crews and more importantly, US inspections."
And soon these same people will be caring for you when you are ill and really need a good, experienced doc.
But they will have to do.
I found out today that one of my cousins is on that ship.
"It's like a bunch of savages on there," he added. "If you get on the blogs, they're saying that people are fighting over food and stuff."
Hmmmm. THat sounds pretty much like the last 2 cruises I've taken.
Never again.
Shows just how quickly things can go to hell. Now imagine a major city after EMP attack and there has been not electricity for a month and no idea when it will be restored.
The shipyards here are looking forward to the work.
"Shows just how quickly things can go to hell."
My husband's company would send a bunch of us to a foreign country every year for two weeks. On the first trip, on the plane, I noticed a husband and wife couple that were friends of ours, did not eat the food offered by the airline. They brought bottles of water and peanut butter and crackers. I asked them why they were doing this and they said food on a plane can be tainted plus things happen to planes like being on the runway for hours, so they always had their own food and water. This made total sense to me and from then on I took water and peanut butter/cracks in a carry on bag. We did eat the food offered by the airline but we had that extra in case there was a problem with water or food before we got off that plane.
I would have done the same thing getting on a ship - take water and peanut butter/crackers. Once you turn your body over to an airline or ship, you are theirs. If the plane or ship screws up, there you are.
I will never get on another ship.
I went on a carnival cruise and it was great. No problems at all.
I would spazz if I saw someone vomiting,much like an arachnophobe would spazz at the sight of a spider.
I've been on two cruises and everything went well.
My mother and I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise back in 2004 and it was great. It was only 3 days but we had a lot of fun.
I got FRIED though. I was in a lot of pain and went into a slight shock. I was freezing when everyone else was comfortable.
I still enjoyed the trip though,LOL.
Wow. I guess my sister and our mother got lucky. The three of us had a great time.
LOL. You forgot Botulism and Ptomaine poisoning!
You poor thing. It's bad enough when you're at home,much less on a ship.
I am sure many people who have stayed at a motel 6 can say the same thing... but some of us have higher standards :)
For a true luxury experience try Royal Caribbean
In Jan 1969, wife, two babies and I scored a PCS cruise from Yokohama to SFO on the SS President Wilson. Wife and I got nauseous the first night, but after that, it was "smooth sailin'." A USN Commander was aboard with his pregnant wife. That lady was a very miserable person, even though the seas were calm. The shipboard doctor kept her sedated and they took her off at Honolulu and hospitalized her. After we got back to HQS, they asked if we'd like to ride the SS United States from NYC TO Southampton. Back in the day, the government heavily subsidized those liners and civil service and military personnel could apply for passage. Yes, we did take the SS United States to Europe. New bride and I have taken two Carnival cruises and one Princess. We loved the Carnival cruises to the eastern and western Caribbean.
My mother and I went on a Royal Caribbean cruise back in '04. It was after Hurricane Ivan hit so our ship was re-routed from Fort Lauderdale to Haiti.
Haiti was beautiful but I have never seen such poverty.
Taking a shower was interesting. The ship must've hit one hell of a wave because I bumped into the wall of the shower. I almost lost my footing.
I could not eat dinner the first night because I was so nauseous. Everyone else was eating as if they were at their dining room table.
I still felt like I was swaying when I got home.
I live on a sailboat and I have a hard time sleeping when I spend a night ashore anymore.
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September 11 2011 09:59AM
Ten years ago today we were sitting at the breakfast table getting ready to match wits with a class at the U of A. The entire family was watching BBC News when they announced that a plane had accidentally crashed into the World Trade Center. As they cut to live footage and commentary, it was a matter of minutes until we saw the second plane crash into the second tower live.
It's odd when one witnesses something of that magnitude, the mind remembers the strangest things as things are happening so fast. We can recall the commentator on TV going completely quiet as the plane hit the second tower and several seconds of silence on the air.
We recall being struck by how serious things must have just gotten that the News Anchor has been struck completely silent. The rest of the day was a blur but the scariest thing we heard that entire awful day was the sound of on air silence and that memory will stay with us for a long, long time.
In the 10 years since it hasn't gotten any easier to wrap our brains around what happened that day.
This is a place of hockey and nonsensery and not the place for any in depth 9-11 coverage. But we would be remiss on the 10th anniversary of that terrible morning if we didn't put something up in tribute to all of the men and women that lost a loved one, a co-worker or their very lives that morning.
Leave some comments of where you were 10 years ago today if you feel so inclined.
In a mall in Calgary, there was about 150 people lined up outside an electronics store watching the TV. I knew something was up but never expected to see something of that magnitude. I've never felt that uneasy before or since. RIP all the souls lost that day
I was in Australia. I awoke on September 12th to the chaos back home. I had just stumbled downstairs in time to watch the second tower fall. It was odd to have something hit so close to home yet to be on the other side of the world. It had a strong impact on the Australians though and we listened to radio reports all day at work.
September 11 2011, 10:29AM
I had CNN on in my sunroom as I was getting ready to drive out to Sherwood Park for the first day of Oilers training camp. I saw the news report on the tube and thought there had been a terrible accident at the WTC.
I was watching the coverage when the second plane hit. I remember muttering, "Oh no" and feeling disbelief, then confusion at the realization this was no accident. Why? Who?
The morning became a blur after that as I clicked into reporter mode. Traded calls with Todd Marchant, whose brother Terry commuted to New York from Buffalo daily in the mornings.
I tried to find out who, if anybody, with Oiler connections worked in the area of the WTC etc. Later, I heard about Garnet Bailey and Mark Bavis. Felt sick. I remember thinking, 'I bet Ace fought them. No way he sat still for this.' I was angry.
I was writing with tears in my eyes when I saw footage of people leaping from the towers and I flat-out cried like a baby when the first tower eventually came down. I couldn't put context or sense to anything I was seeing.
I will never, ever forget that day. How could you?
September 11 2011, 10:39AM
I remember I was playing an early morning game of Hockey in Calgary.
This guy came late and sat on the bench, was quiet at first, didn't say a word. All of a sudden he turns to us and says, "So a plane hit the World Trade Center." He paused.
We said, "And..."
Then he said, ".. and then another one did."
We looked at him and said, "You know, if this a joke, you are really bad at telling them.."
He cut us off, and said that it wasn't a joke.. I remember everyone on the ice and both benches just stopping. We all filed off the ice and asked the rink to open the lounge even though it was about 9:30...
We all know what happened later over the course of the day. #NeverForget
Was in coffee room when first hit , and remarked what's this a kimakazee pilot ? How can pilot be so stupid as to hit one of those to begin with ? Most everyone in the room felt same way . Laughable , as some thought it was just being staged - a t.v. hoax or something . Back out to work floor only to pop back in to see if fire put out , only to see a second plane hit other building . WAS THIS A JOKE ? Figured there is no way building could collapse , yet had this creepy feeling it might for some reason . Sure enough that's exactly what happened to everyones surprise . Only then did it dawn this was serious and real . It just didn't feel real until the first tower collapsed . Even the collappsing seemed more like a staged demolition than an actual attack of any sort . We all went back to work to finish our duties . Never really sunk in until later that day for almost all of us until lunch break . How could those buildings collapse in that manner - it still felt as though it was a staged demolition at that time . Confusing even to this day , and wonder about a third building that did much the same apparantly on backside of Towers that seems to not get mentioned . Tragic as it turned out few of us comtimplated it was real at first .
September 11 2011, 11:30AM
I was in my car on my way to work when I heard about it on the radio. Phoned my wife and told her to turn on the tv. Continued on to work and listened on the radio at work the rest of the day.
I remember sitting glued to the tv all night that night just in amazement.
fyi. I was in school when Kennedy was shot. We listened to the radio in class all that day too. The two biggest news stories of my lifetime and both on the radio.
September 11 2011, 11:31AM
I'll never forget my mom banging on my door and me awakening to the scream of them"we're under attack, they're bombing New York." As i woke up and opened the door i knew something was very wrong wheni seen her face. As we rushed up the stairs and just as i turned the corner to see the the tv the second plane hit. I was gutted, couldn't even comprehend what was happening. So many questions. Sitting there and watching as more unexplainable events occurred we received a phone call from my relatives in Ireland. One cousin was enroute to nyc and another lived blocks away from the world trade centre. It hit home when my aunt was in full panic mode. It seemed to become more personal. We found out that my one cousin had landed in Gander and was safe and sound. It wasn't till late at night that my other cousin was found to be alive and well. She works late hours in a Manhattan bar and sleeps most of the day, she amazingly slept right through it. I'll never forget my mothers face that day. R.I.P.
I had turned on the news in the morning as I was eating breakfast and getting ready for work. I was in a celebratory mood as I had been hired as a high school social studies teacher exactly one year earlier, then the reports started to come in of an accident involving a plane hitting the WTC tower. I remember thinking this was some idiot in a cesna that either didn't know what he was doing or had a ex-girlfriend working on one of the floors (there had been a guy that flew his cesna into an ex-girlfriends house in Edmonton, I think). Then the second plane hit as reports of the first tower being on fire were coming in.
I remained glued to the TV as the implications of what was happening were becoming clear. I bolted for work, head for my classroom and turned the TV on. What kind of social studies teacher would I have been if I hadn't let my students watch history being made right before them. I remember many of the conversations I had with confused students that day, but the one that I hope they remember is that there aren't very many days in one's life that you can look at and know that from this day forward the entire world will never be the same. September 11, 2001 was certainly one of those days.
I was driving to work, I was dumbstruck. I remember not getting much done that day as I waited to hear news of more attacks.
September 11 2011, 12:02PM
I was on my usual crappy drive to NAIT when news started to trickle in about the first plane hitting. As i walked into NAIT, i distinctly recall thinking to myself how weird it was that someone would fly their little 2 seater into a building.
One of my buddies came in, late for class as usual, but this time was different. Classes at NAIT that morning literally stopped, and people gathered around campus wherever they could find a TV or radio. We left early that day, and sat in front of the tv, literally frozen in disbelief.
I feel sorry for all those the people who lost their lives that day, or had friends/family that died.
I do, however, feel a huge sense of pride when i see all the people who rushed into the buildings, or stayed behind to help while literally thousands were running the opposite way. To see people step up and put themselves in that kind of danger without hesitation is, to me, awesome.
--insert soapbox comment referencing Jon Stewart and Denis Leary having it right here--
September 11 2011, 12:02PM
I was driving in my service truck when I heard of the first plane hit and I was confused of how that could happen. It wasn't until the second plane hit that we all knew that this was serious. i returned home forgetting work and watched it all unfold on T.V. I remember feeling disbelief about what happened and not understanding how a plane could cause a building to collapse exactly like that on both buildings. It was until years later I heard the truth of the planned demolition. RIP all those souls that were betrayed by the US Government.
September 11 2011, 12:19PM
I was at work doing deliveries when I heard the story break. I found a TV in time to see the second plane hit. Needless to say, not much work got done that day.
In the 10 years since the war on terror began, 162 (maybe more, unsure of the true number) Canadian servicemen and women paid the ultimate sacrifice. One of which was my friend. R.I.P. MCpl Ray Arndt.
Al-Qaida tried to strike fear in us. Guess what, THEY FAILED. We have rallied like we were down 3 with 5:00 to go in the 3rd, and we are stronger now than ever before.
God Bless FDNYPD
God Bless the Canadian Armed Forces
Conspiracy theories abound . Was it a staged demolition by mercenaries , etc. ? Strange things with President Bush and Pentagon and/or Whitehouse that followed that day of disbelief. I don't know if i'd put any weight in them . I know i thougth i was watching one of those soap operas when i first saw what was happening . Later on it was obvious we were not .
September 11 2011, 12:28PM
6:50 a.m. September 11 2001...I stick my head into my son's bedroom and bark..."Jordy get up...a plane's hit the twin towers in NewYork"...my son had just got back from a tour with his band in August and had been to Manhattan doing the tourist thing after a show with friends there so i thought he needed to see this news on CNN...just as he sat down bleary eyed in the living room the second plane hit the south tower and he yelled W...T..F...!!!Is this some kinda f.....' joke???are they filming a movie there? WTF!!! He immediately got on the phone and called a gf there who lived in the Bronx...they spoke on the phone until the dust and smoke forced her out of her apartment and away from the area...we both stayed glued to the tube all day and into the night...i made breakfast, he napped into the afternoon and we split three big pizzas that evening when his band came over to watch the events replay over and over again...little did i know that nine months and two days later i would have my own personal 9/11 when Jordan, my only child was killed on a dark interstate in Alabama at just before 2am by an impaired driver...watching each morning on 9/11 over these last ten years has always been painful but i'll be having my own ten year anniversary of his death next year in june...i know how all those dads feel about the horrendous loss of their sweet sons & daughters...none of this is easy, thankyou for asking where we all were that morning Wanye, it matters that you care...
I was on a plant turnaround... Walked right off the job. "This is history. This changes things."
I skipped being shocked and went right to anger.(still am) Ten years later we are still ignoring the uncomfortable truth that almost nothing has been done about the many many militant Wahhabi sects in Saudi Arabia.
September 11 2011, 12:44PM
I had called in to work sick but always being a early riser I was up watching the drama unfold.
After calling my parents to make that they were watching(they weren't)I spent the rest of the day talking to people at work explaining and trying(hopelessly)to describe what had happened.
After seeing it I truely was sick,
September 11 2011, 12:48PM
Conspiracy theories abound . Was it a staged demolition by mercenaries , etc. ? Strange things with President Bush and Pentagon and/or Whitehouse that followed that day of disbelief. I don't know if i'd put any weight in them . I know i thougth i was watching one of those soap operas when i first saw what was happening . Later on it was obvious we were not .
...have you seen 'loose change' ?
...the ultimate conspiracy theory...some of it makes me wonder whether George Dubya Bush was at the centre of it all...he, like his dad, is a war monger and when i hear over and over again how sh*t happened prior to 9/11 it makes me think if this War on Terror was all a designed play...
September 11 2011, 12:48PM
The subject of 9/11 is in front of us here. If no one questions the motives or methods of our "leaders", then we have become nothing more than a dictatorship., supporting a murderous regime.
How many innocent Afghan and Iraqi lives have been needlessly lost because no one was there to question? How many families have been ripped apart due to the invasion and occupation of a country that the American people allowed?
How many families are grieving due to soldiers that have died (don't forget the beginning of the wars and all of the "friendly fire" casualties) in the shameless and unnecessary wars that followed?
Please. I beg you. Wake up and don't trust what is force-fed to you while sitting in front of your TV.
10 years ago today was a tragedy, and so may lives could have been spared since, if only people such as yourself would allow themselves to look at the world objectively.
Incidents like the one I tried to point out above prove that we can't believe everything blindly.
September 11 2001 was not only the death of 3000 innocent people, police, and firefighters, but also the death of critical thinking.
September 11 2011, 12:48PM
The subject of 9/11 is in front of us here. If no one questions the motives or methods of our "leaders", then we have become nothing more than a dictatorship., supporting a murderous regime.
How many innocent Afghan and Iraqi lives have been needlessly lost because no one was there to question? How many families have been ripped apart due to the invasion and occupation of a country that the American people allowed?
How many families are grieving due to soldiers that have died (don't forget the beginning of the wars and all of the "friendly fire" casualties) in the shameless and unnecessary wars that followed?
Please. I beg you. Wake up and don't trust what is force-fed to you while sitting in front of your TV.
10 years ago today was a tragedy, and so may lives could have been spared since, if only people such as yourself would allow themselves to look at the world objectively.
Incidents like the one I tried to point out above prove that we can't believe everything blindly.
September 11 2001 was not only the death of 3000 innocent people, police, and firefighters, but also the death of critical thinking.
September 11 2011, 12:53PM
Here is the incident that I refer to in the above quote. Please be able to look objectively. I am sorry to bring it up on the day we are remembering the families and people from this horrible life and world-changing event. If we do not start thinking and questioning, then this great country, and our beloved western culture is already lost.
Google: Operation Northwoods. If you want to copy and paste, here is a link:
As well as a link to the official documents:
And if you only trust MSM, here is a link to an ABC News story:
September 11 2011, 01:06PM
The night before was Monday Night Football at Shanks (Denver beat the Giants, I believe), and I was still sleeping it off on the couch the next morning, with the TV on. It was set to some Boston channel, and their morning news was on. I vaguely recall, through my headache, the news anchor saying: "Plane crash... New York... attack", and I woke up to the world changed forever. Just weird, thinking how September 10th, everyone's happy, pounding back the brewskis and side dishes, and, September 11th, you're wondering if World War III just started...
September 11 2011, 01:06PM
I came late to the party that day. Due to working nights, I went to bed less than an hour before the first plane hit.
I woke 8 hours later, went downstairs, and my father asked, "Are you watching this?"
I said "no, I just got up."
It took me a few minutes to wrap my head around it. I didn't believe it. I thought it was staged. It looked too much like a movie. As I watched more, the gravity began to hit me: the USA has been attacked. I felt scared. I knew that during my sleep that day, the world had changed more than the New York skyline.
I will never forget the sense of togtherness felt by everyone that I came into contact with that day. We all knew deep down that something had fundamentally changed.
Was on a quick holiday to Toronto, enjoying some sleep after a night out having drinks and seeing a Stevie Nicks show. My friend called from work crying, that she had just seen first tower fall in NYC. I hung up, put on the TV and minutes later the 2nd tower came down. Pretty unbelievable. Was supposed to leave the 12th, stuck there until the 14th, and what an eerie feeling at the aiport.
As the day went on, I remember picking up a magazine at the Montreal airport in spring of 1998, and reading this guy's article on this bin laden guy and how direct he was in talking about killing americans, and thought holy sh**, how come nobody is talking about this guy.
I was in school that day, and I just remember the collective shock from everyone. 3000 people dead . It was unbelievable, who in their right mind would want something like this to happen. And thinking about it now, there could have been even more deaths if it wasn't for the braveness, courage and determination of the passengers on United 93. R.I.P to all the innocent people who died that day.
September 11 2011, 01:20PM
...have you seen 'loose change' ?
...the ultimate conspiracy theory...some of it makes me wonder whether George Dubya Bush was at the centre of it all...he, like his dad, is a war monger and when i hear over and over again how sh*t happened prior to 9/11 it makes me think if this War on Terror was all a designed play...
Loose Change is a good and very in depth look at the events of 9/11. I recommend it.
Zeitgeist: The Movie is a documentary that changed my life. It changed the way that I looked at the world, and the way that I think about those in power. From 9/11 to our monetary system, it helped to open my eyes.
WARNING: It is extremely slanted and biased (as only a good documentary can be), so watch it with an open mind, and do your own research. Do not take it as the be-all and end-all of truth just as I suggest don't take the evening news as the be-all and end-all as well. I suggest the above documentary as a different way, another option, or an alternative perspective to view the world that has been put up around you.
Edit: they have expanded the movie, so sit past the first 11 minutes. Then it gets started
September 11 2011, 01:23PM
And as far as "Operation Northwoods"....
WTF?!!??!?! Seriously??? If anyone hasn't looked that up yet....
WTF?!?!?! Seriously???
I remember cruising in to Mt Royal College, late for class and in a hurry. Seeing dozens of tvs in the main hall outside the library and wondering WTF? Dismissing and walking on only to get halfway past when my rubbernecking eyes see footage of the second plane hitting the towers. I stopped, I watched, I missed that class. I remember the feeling of unease that day, the sense of dread that seemed to pervade the day, and the feeling of some impending doom as to what this will bring.
So many years later and this has impacted the lives of so many. Not just those in the towers that day and their families and friends, but the whole world. Wars were started (or continued depending on your point of view), not only peoples lives but whole countries have been crushed and the world will never be the same.
Woke up at my regular time and laid in bed as it was my first day of holidays & I planned to do errands before I left the next day. When the second plane hit I jumped out out bed & turned on the TV. Later that day I drove my motorcycle downtown as I had planned previously because I thought I couldn't find parking to pick up my passport. Downtown Calgary was eerily quiet & empty with some people not showing up or being sent home. On the way home I stopped in behind the airport to see the 27 planes that were redirected due to the closed airspace. It was also eerily quiet & yet crowded. In 2004 when I went to NYC, I met a person who was late to work that day at the WTC and was stuck on the subway... I wish RIP for those departed & and some semblance of peace to those that still live with the tragic memories.
September 11 2011, 02:59PM
It's impossible to forget where I was on that Tuesday morning: I was a 15 year-old high school sophomore watching the movie Lorenzo's Oil in Biology class. An announcement came over the public address from our Principal, asking all of the teachers to tune in to one of the news channels. It was surreal, like watching a movie. The only reason I didn't break down and weep was because it truly felt like it was something out of Hollywood, I couldn't begin to comprehend the magnitude of what I was watching.
On another note: as an American now living and studying in Ottawa, I have to thank Canadians collectively for their compassion throughout this entire weekend. I watched several programs last night on CBC and CTV chronicling the 10th anniversary of those events. I've also had conversations with several people who have shared their most heartfelt memories of 9/11/01, one of whom spoke candidly about the loss of his mother to the terrorist acts of the Air India 182 bombing.
I think that I speak for every American when I say that I'm proud to call you an ally and a friend.
I got up to leave for work, hopped in my car and began driving. I was living in Edmonton at the time and had K-Rock playing on the radio. One of the DJ's said something along the lines of "this is certainly the biggest news story I've ever covered.." but at that moment I put a CD in and listened to some punk rock for the entire 45-min drive, oblivious to what was happening in NYC. I get to work, sat at my desk and of course everyone is talking about it frantically. I spent the next 3 days hitting refresh every 5 seconds on CNN.com and briefly rallied behind George W. Bush the one and only time.
I was living with relatives in Calgary and had taken the day off as we were going to Edmonton for my uncle's funeral. I woke up and went downstairs to see my relatives glued to the tv. I asked what was wrong and they pointed at the tv and said a plane hit the WTC. I didn't believe them. We sat and watched both buildings come down. It was a weird feeling that day mourning my uncle and also trying to comprehend the events.
September 11 2011, 05:04PM
I was eating cereal the morning of my grade 9 picture day before jumping on the bus, saw the first plane's aftermath and then almost choked on my spoon as the second plane hit.
After that, I got on the bus for the hour-plus ride to school, and it seemed like at each stop another person got on with some other piece of news.
I got to school, had my picture taken and then went to PE, at which point Bob Rutz told us the world was coming to an end and there would be no gym class that day, so we spent the rest of the morning watching everything. I went to my two classes that afternoon, and on the way out of the school my day was capped off by watching WTC7 collapse.
It won't be long 'til the "War on Terror" has lasted half of my lifetime.
@pelhem grenville - As soon as you posted the date and your son's first name I recognized the story of your son as "The Year Summer Ended in June."
September 11 2011, 05:11PM
I just showed up at work. I walked into the parade room where other members of my squad were also just arriving. The TV was on and no one was talking. I watched as the first tower burned, and the second was hit, then both towers falling... said a prayer and hit the street, we were late relieving the night shift but they were inside watching tv with us. It was an eerie feeling all day waiting for the other shoe to drop...
Held my family close that night. It still makes me shudder the anger, callousness and evil that those innocent people faced on those planes before they died.
September 11 2011, 06:08PM
I was about 17 and in grade 11, my brother was about 4 and at 750ish I was getting ready to leave for school and he said, "How come the same show is on every channel?" I scolded him and was like, "Just stay on one of them damn it" and started watching. I didn't have cable and ITV, CTV, Achannel, were all running the CNN feed I believe it was.
I saw the 2nd plane hit live and was like WTF, realising it couldnt have been an accident.
On the way to school I listened to the usual KRock morning show with Terry Bill and Steve (I just looked on the website, they're back together? Cool) and it was strange to hear them so somber and just relaying what they were watching. When the towers came down they described what it looked like.
September 11 2011, 06:08PM
I was still grade school and the first plane crash happened shortly before I woke up. I was maybe a bit young to truly understand at the time what had happened but the aftermath of 9/11/01 has lasted basically half of my lifetime.
September 11 2011, 06:41PM
Like the assassinations of Lincoln, JFK, Dr. Martin Luther King jr, and RFK, everyone remembers where they were when they heard of or saw on TV (or live for those tragic New Yorkers)the attacks on the World Trade Centers on Sept 11, 2001. I am not close to being old enought to remember any of first assassinations but I sure remember where I was on Sept 11. I was eating cereal at my Mom's house, getting ready for my second day of classes at the U of C. We were watching the morning news when a breaking news report came in and the anchor looks at the camera and says that a plane has crashed into the North tower of the World Trade Center. They cut to live footage and the horrifying image of the burning north tower comes on for the first time. As I sat there with my spoon halfway between my bowl and my mouth, I yelled to my Mom, "HEY MA! SOME IDIOT JUST FLEW HIS PLANE INTO ONE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BULDINGS!!" Obviously nobody knew that the worst was yet to come. While watching, a second plane came into the picture and my Mom and I both took a deep breath as we watched it slam into the South tower. We looked at each other speechless and in shock at what we and the world just witnessed. The idea that this was no accident crept in.
I went and picked up my then girlfriend, now wife, and drove us to university listening to the radio coverage as snipits of information slowly rolled in. I will always remember the shocked silence all over campus and how by the time my first class was over there were crowds of people, eight or more deep, sitting around TVs that had been pulled out and put into large open areas. The crowds weren't moving or talking, just sitting there glued to the tragedy unfolding infront of them. Every where on campus there were TVs and crowds of 20, and in many cases more, watching and updating people as they walk by. The memory of those crowds and the silence still gives me chills.
Watching the opening for Sunday Night Football right now, NY Jets vs. Dallas Cowboys in NY, and thinking to myself how in the world has it been ten, TEN!! years since that fateful, horrible, tragic day?? The memories of the plane striking the towers and the Twin Towers falling still gives me chills to this day.
RIP to all those that lost their lives that day and in the wars that followed, and best wishes, thoughts and condolences to all those they left behind.
My daughter came out of her room saying some idiot ran their plane into the World Trade Center. Expecting another Cessna Suicide, we realized this was a bigger aircraft as we all watched on CNN. Suddenly, the second impact occurred. One of my kids trailed off "what the..."
A brief pause and then it was obvious. I said, "this is no accident."
Fast forward to the close ups of the fire fighters marching en masse to the scene, up the stairs, wondering how many they could save...
Fast forward to the sudden collapse. Those faces of those shown earlier, bravely marching to save others, now forever lost, their images burned into my brain.
The shock of those walking, not speaking, out of Manhatten, covered in greyish tan ash...
Today, I am happy to give up a few civil liberties to maintain a fight for a greater cause.
I complain less about basically everything, as really, nothing is ever as important as we imagine it.
The duty as I see it is to preserve and protect our individual AND national freedoms and liberties. The costs in time, money, and contributions, at any level or scale, to move forward and fight this battle, pales in comparison to what we will lose if the other side succeeds.
Evil, at any level, must be dealt with proactively, swiftly, and severely.
And those who put their lives on the line for that cause have my full support, admiration, and indebtedness.
@Please take a moment....
Your rambling is incoherent.
Your point is invalid.
Wait, I take that back. You didn't formulate a valid point.
While powerful nations are known to make decisions, and those details or in fact the entire agenda may be made out of the scope of the public's knowledge, the fact that there are secret agendas and operations occurring around the world, is already um... public knowledge.
In cases where those officials are elected, we hope that those we put in power are making the right choices.
So...? If your family had their life on the line, and your opponent is breaking all the rules, would you play a game to win, or would you play by the rules?
I don't want to know the answer. Tell your family.
I was attending NAIT during that time. Oddly, I slept in that morning and arrived late to school.. say around 11:00 or noon ish. When I got there, everyone was asking me what it was like to see "it" all live. I had no idea what they were talking about. Not my best of stories.. ;)
September 11 2011, 08:14PM
The courage shown by the FDNY firefighters when they ran into those buildings literally gives me chills. It still does, actually. I try to put myself in their shoes that day: blindly rushing into a flaming skyscraper with no thought to your own safety, just to try to save as many strangers as you can. I've got goosebumps as I type this, jeez.
Those firefighters and paramedics deserve full health coverage for free, including any treatment needed whether it's related to 9/11 or not. I remember seeing a clip where hundreds of firefighters and paramedics were streaming towards the rubble a few days later, still searching for survivors, and in the crowd that gathered to cheer them, one woman was holding a sign that simply said "You are our heroes." That resonated with me, and I'll remember it until the day I die.
The courage shown by the FDNY firefighters when they ran into those buildings literally gives me chills. It still does, actually. I try to put myself in their shoes that day: blindly rushing into a flaming skyscraper with no thought to your own safety, just to try to save as many strangers as you can. I've got goosebumps as I type this, jeez.
Those firefighters and paramedics deserve full health coverage for free, including any treatment needed whether it's related to 9/11 or not. I remember seeing a clip where hundreds of firefighters and paramedics were streaming towards the rubble a few days later, still searching for survivors, and in the crowd that gathered to cheer them, one woman was holding a sign that simply said "You are our heroes." That resonated with me, and I'll remember it until the day I die.
"Those firefighters and paramedics deserve full health coverage for free, including any treatment needed whether it's related to 9/11 or not"
Interesting, I was watching CBC today and the anchor interviewed one of 4 Brampton Ontario firefighters who went down late on the day of Sept. 11 and helped at the pile.......those 4 are getting "free health care"....
Many firefighters would have been saved (would have turned around and got out) as I understand their radios were dysfunctional.
September 12 2011, 09:01AM
OMG, everywhere you go 9/11 this and 9/11 that.
September 12 2011, 06:39PM
Your rambling is incoherent.
Your point is invalid.
Wait, I take that back. You didn't formulate a valid point.
While powerful nations are known to make decisions, and those details or in fact the entire agenda may be made out of the scope of the public's knowledge, the fact that there are secret agendas and operations occurring around the world, is already um... public knowledge.
In cases where those officials are elected, we hope that those we put in power are making the right choices.
So...? If your family had their life on the line, and your opponent is breaking all the rules, would you play a game to win, or would you play by the rules?
I don't want to know the answer. Tell your family.
You're right, the public doesn't need to know anything the government does with the money we pay them as taxes. What they do has no bearing on our lives at all.
Why even vote. Let the government do whatever it wants without having to answer to the public.
It is just fine to look the other way and sit on the couch watching hockey while bombs are being dropped on innocent civilians for things that they had no part in. It would be like someone killing your family in retaliation to a bank robbery in Brazil.
Sure, it is also OK that it is now public knowlegde that the American government has made plans to lie to the public about ficticious events in order to trick them into supporting a war. I'm sure that is the only time that has happened and they would never want to mislead the public in order to push through legislation that allows them to kill people and have individuals make millions, if not billions profit off of it. Gulf of Tonkin? Lucitania?
This is the type of apathy that is so abundant in society today that it makes me sick. It is the thought that those in power are smarter than us, so we don't need to know what is really going on.
Is this is how you think? That the people in power are smarter than us, so we don't need to know or have a say in what goes on. It sounds like this is how you think.
I'll tell you my answer. I don't blindly support. I don't support any of the wars. I ask questions like "Why did they want to attack America?" and "This has to be in response to something. Maybe we should look at the root problem and try to solve the problem instead of bombing entire countries?"
In my opinion, your comment is devoid of a point. Your point is blindness and apathy are ignorance, and ignorance is bliss. If it doesn't directly affect me, it isn't worth thinking about.
September 12 2011, 06:56PM
And yes, speaking up and speaking out is doing something. I may never be Prime Minister, but I can make my opinios heard when and where I want, and maybe, just maybe, I can get someone to speak up as well.
I view it as if someone beside me has just made a racist comment, and instead of letting it slide I speak up.
Just yesterday I was asked how many coloured people live in this building. I told them it didn't matter. That should have no bearing on their decision of whether to buy here. I lost a sale and made an awkward moment, but I can't just sit there when someone is looking at me to validate their prejudices.
Just as I can't sit there and not talk about what is going on because I may be labeled anti-American, or anti-Patriotic. Don't be so quick to buy in.


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On Monday, April 15, the City of Tallahassee's Underground Utility department will begin work on two separate projects that will impact Old Bainbridge Road, Orange Avenue and Blair Stone Road.
The work along Old Bainbridge Road will replace aging underground utility infrastructure. At more than 60 years old, the water system underneath the roadway is at the end of its useful service life. Replacement is necessary to avoid future water interruptions to area residents and to ensure that the City's high standards for clean and reliable water services are met for years to come.
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The Emery County Fair Committee is busy preparing for the upcoming Emery County fair. On day two of the fair which is Thur. Aug. 4 events will begin at 11 a.m. for the youth and teenagers with more traditional activities in the evening hours.
The National Guard climbing wall will be set-up in the park and all climbers will climb for free, courtesy of the Emery County Fair. The youth are big fans of the dunking tank which will be in the park all day. Come and dunk someone or be dunked! A muddy good time will be the mud tug-o-war game. Plans for eating contests include ice cream eating and pie throwing will be part of the action.
The Farm Bureau Talent Find will begin at 4 p.m. under the Big Top. The exhibits will be open and the Emery County Chamber of Commerce lamb fry begins at 5 p.m. The fair committee is excited about the outstanding lineup of food vendors which will be in the food court. The food court is the newly prepared area just north of the recreation building. Electricity and grass have been added to the site to accommodate the food vendors. Some food items will include: buffalo burgers, BBQ ribs, Panda Express and other mouth watering treats. Locals are also encouraged to come down and see who is open for the lunch crowd.
Two stages will be put into use to bring the finest of entertainment to the Emery County residents and visitors to the fair.
A secret that must be shared includes the giving away of an ATV at the Highway 101 concert on Sat. Aug. 6. The winning child must be present to win. Kids 12 and under are eligible to win this ATV. Tickets will be given throughout the fair activities and the children will sign their tickets and place them in the container for the drawing. The children can enter as many times as they wish increasing their chances to win the free ATV. No purchase necessary just come and participate in the activities. The Highway 101 concert is free to the public and includes opening acts J. Mark Bailey and Brandy Frampton. Another door crasher will be the drawings for free vacations given by a local business. Must be present at the concert to be a winner.
Fair plans will continue in next week's Emery County Progress. This is one fair you won't want to miss. "New Ideas, New Dreams and New Beginnings," is the theme for this year's fair.


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Fall Chocolate Centerpiece Class at CHOCOLATE ACADEMY™ center
For Chicago area home chefs looking to impress their dinner guests this Thanksgiving, Barry Callebaut will host a special "Fall Chocolate Centerpiece" class at its CHOCOLATE ACADEMY™ center in Chicago. During the class, which is open to the public, CHOCOLATE ACADEMY™ center Chef Amanda Snouffer will share the secrets for creating a show-stopping edible centerpiece for the table that's made entirely out of chocolate and can serve as the featured dessert for your guests.
Specifically, class participants will learn how to paint with chocolate using an airbrush technique, create different fall-themed shapes using candy molds, and assemble the finished shapes into a beautiful chocolate masterpiece. Each participant will take home their chocolate creation and will be given recipes that they can try on their own at home.
Class is on Saturday, November 21, 2009 from 9 AM to 1 PM and the cost is $85 per person. To register for the class, consumers may call 1-866-443-0437.