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Jason Gregor
November 16 2012 12:19AM
Maybe that is Gary Bettman, maybe it is Donald Fehr, but either way they both
look like asses have their head in the sand right now.
The NHL and NHLPA are allegedly going to take a break from negotiating, further proving how BOTH sides are completely clueless on how much damage they are doing to the game. Even worse is that both of them, and sadly too many people on twitter, actually believe that the fans are on their side.
I can't speak for every fan, but most are at the point of despising both the NHL and NHLPA. How can you actually be on either side at this point, unless you are a player, related to a player, an owner or one of his employees? I can't see any reason to hitch your horse to either wagon.
Even worse is that the posturing, rhetoric and distrust have once again become the rallying cries for both sides.
The sad part is how many people are still trying to rationalize this lockout. I applaud you for trying, but let's be realistic neither side truly wants an agreement. If they actually wanted an agreement, rather than trying to get the other side to blink, it would have happened by now.
Some of you will say this is how negotiating works, but is it is actually working?
Earlier this evening both sides sent out a press release after numerous outlets reported that Gary Bettman suggested they take a two-week moratorium since they've made no progress during recent negotiations.
The NHLPA released the following statement:
"We believe that it is more likely that we will make progress if we meet than if we don't. So we are ready to meet. If indeed they do not want to meet, it will be at least the third time in the last three months that they have shut down the dialogue, saying they will not meet unless the players meet their preconditions.
"What does that tell you about their interest in resolving this," said NHLPA special counsel Steve Fehr.
The NHL, of course, needed to respond.
"We are extremely disappointed in where we and the players find ourselves. And from our perspective, we have made repeated moves in the players' direction with absolutely no reciprocation. Unfortunately, we have determined we are involved with union leadership that has no genuine interest in reaching an agreement. Regardless of what we propose, or how we suggest to compromise the answer is "no." At some point you just have to say "enough is enough," said deputy commissioner Bill Daly.
This is like a bad TV show; essentially the same story line every week. Both sides suggest the other one isn't interested in getting a deal done, however, both try to convince hockey fans that they "really care about the game" and just want to play.
It's becoming nothing short of a lame and pointless dick measuring contest. Except both of them have two inch rulers, so neither proposal is that enticing or measured with any accuracy.
I think most of us can predict what will happen in the coming days.
Sometime next week, likely Wednesday or Thursday the NHL will cancel another two-week block of games. The NHLPA will reiterate that no games needed to be cancelled, because they were willing to play and negotiate in good faith during the season.
Then, sometime before the proposed two-week break is over they will agree to meet and start another mundane and unproductive round of negotiating.
Outside of a well-placed kick in the ass, they need a firm deadline on when the season will be cancelled. Both sides believe the other will blink first, so maybe a deadline ignites some serious negotiations, or maybe their inability to notice the incredible damage they've done to the game continues.
Either way, at least the fans can have some closure for the 2012/2013 season.
- Is it just me or is the most infuriating aspect of this lockout the fact that they are fighting over money, yet they are losing millions every day. This is likely too simplistic of math, but if we say the season is 186 days long, 60 days for the playoffs and 14 for preseason that equals 260 days.
If we divide $3.3 billion by 260 days that means they are losing $12,269,307.00 a day. Multiples that by 53 days (I subtracted 9 days of the actual 62 days since lockout started because preseason wouldn't have begun until Sept 24th) and they've thrown away $672,692,307.00 of revenue.
It must be nice to be able to walk away from almost $673 million.
- Would fans be willing to ask for their season-ticket money back? Some teams have refunded the money, but many teams are holding it until the lockout is resolved. Would you ask for your money back, or have teams informed you that you would lose your tickets for good if you asked for a refund?
- If that is the case, would fans on the waiting list gobble them up right away? Would you?
- Will you rush back the minute the lockout ends? Will you cut back on the amount of games you go to, games you watch or merchandise you purchase?
- Is it realistic to expect fans to stay away, or is the game to addicting?
- Could you stay away if the Oilers made the playoffs?
At this point I'm not angry, but I'm disappointed that the NHL and NHLPA have shown there is a major gap between them and their fans and even sponsors. While they will tell you different, their actions clearly prove they believe their product is so strong it can withstand another lengthy lockout.
I honestly don't know if they are correct or delusional, but I sense fans and sponsors won't be flocking back as quickly or as happily as they did in 2005.
Gregor love your show!I listen from cowtown.Keep up the good work.
Every day I miss this game more and more. You don't even realize how brutal midweek TV is until you're forced to watch it because no games are on.
Your math is too simplistic, it's been said for years that a big chunk of teams LOSE money during the first 10-20 games of the year....
they are burning through those games, and will reach a deal around xmas time
Your math is too simplistic, it's been said for years that a big chunk of teams LOSE money during the first 10-20 games of the year....
they are burning through those games, and will reach a deal around xmas time
Is that factual or just hearsay?
Gregor's numbers make sense caused they are based on actual numbers. Until you show proof of what these "teams" lose, then no one knows. Let's focus on actual proven numbers.
NHL owners and NHL players - for whatever reason (lack of trust, grudges, lack of education, greed, whatever) - both really, really suck at negotiating.
You're saying, "well duh". But that's all there really is to it. It's disappointing.
November 16 2012, 01:05AM
The cynic in me HOPES that the season gets cancelled! That BOTH the owners and players lose enough to last a life time! That they sign a CBA for MORE then 6 years. Both sides need to learn that they can't take fans for granted, 3 work stoppages in my life time already... ridiculous.
November 16 2012, 01:21AM
What I can't understand is those players that are losing big dollars not speaking up?
Players that were in both lockouts and players that are nearing the end of there careers.
What does Iginla stand to lose? 15 million dollars over two lockouts! I would be on the phone to Fehr every day asking what the hell is he actually doing!
The end result won't get there money back or refund dollars lost.
I would be sick to my stomach if that was me losing that kind of bread.
November 16 2012, 01:44AM
I dont' understand how Bettman looks like an ass. The man is doing his job. He represents 30 billionaires that want to restructure their business. I really don't see how that is a reflection of him, he is a lawyer and is doing what is asked of him and his firm. I don't see how anyone should have animosity towards Bettman as an individual. I do not side with Bettman on this, I side with the NHL.
We all know that the teams are ran by and owned by rich men. It would be a safe bet to assume that these rich men keep tight circles of lawyers, executives and all sorts of managers and advisors-men who know how a business is structered and should be ran. It would also be a safe bet to assume that the owners are in the full know how on what is at stake and how it is and should be achieved.(I could not say the same for the players)
But, the better question is: who is behind the players? It can't be Fehr, no. He is their front man, he is their Bettman. What exactly is their end game here and how it come about? Who are the real catalysts here? It can't be Fehr and his firm, can it? Most of these players are fighting for things that don't matter to them and the rest are just not giving a #@$% and playing elsewhere, they don't care about the league or what happens to it, all they care for are the millions that they will get when they return to play hockey in N.A for fun. Most of the players don't care about the teams they play for nor do they have a sense of loyalty to them. Since they don't care about their teams and their league: where does the nerve to have say come into place? The owners want better structure of their business and the way it is ran, I don't understand how players feel they have a say in that.
I don't think both sides are "clueless" about the damage they are doing to the game-where did you gather that information from? Despising is a strong word, you should only speak of despise on your own behalf.
The NHL has an agreement, the NHLPA won't agree to it. NHL is doing business with a union leadership that has no genuine interest in reaching an agreement. The NHL even says so in their statement! What the #@$% does the union want? I wonder if they are as confused as I am.?
I would say that the PA is working hard to convience the fans that they "just" want to play. I guess when you don't have much fight in the boardroom yo better take it to the streets.
Why do they need a deadline? Who gives a #@$% about the fans and closure, this is big business we are talking about here. I don't understand why all that b.s about the numbers lost and blah blah blah should matter to the fans. I am a fan of the Oilers! I could care less about them gaining or losing money, as long as they are on the ice trying to win is all that matters.
November 16 2012, 02:17AM
they don't care about the league or what happens to it, all they care for are the millions that they will get
Sorry for nit-picking but the entire reason players train, travel, and risk long-term health is because they get paid millions and this a job to them. I'm a little surprised more players don't do what Radulov has done and play for 2-3 times more in Russia instead of the NHL.
November 16 2012, 02:20AM
NHL is doing business with a union leadership that has no genuine interest in reaching an agreement. The NHL even says so in their statement!
That is the most naive thing I've read in a while.
Who gives a #@$% about the fans this is big business
It is a big business because of the fans so they should give a #@$% about the fans.
I could care less about them gaining or losing money as long as they are on the ice
If they are bleeding money they won't be on the ice or won't be seriously competitive on the ice.
November 16 2012, 02:28AM
Sadly, yes! I will run back as soon as NHL hockey is back. #so ashamed But, I'm going to hold off buying tickets, jerseys and hats as long as my weak will can stand it! So, there goes another $129.99 the league will be throwing away (waiting longer to collect)!
November 16 2012, 05:07AM
Jason - A couple of points to make, not on your conclusions or story, but rather on the finances. You say they are walking away from $673M but that is not strictly true, and there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding by every one discussing this issue as to the difference between revenue and profit. Profit equals revenue minus expenses. Expenses are player salaries and the running of the buildings, along with other items. If the teams have no expenses then they don't need any revenue to offset them.
The second point goes to the motivation of each side. If 2/3 of the teams are losing money as they say that means 20 of 30 NHL votes is actually financially better off every week that they aren't operating. If you are losing $500k/week operating then you are happier not operating. On the other side, the players have no such equation. They lose, period, end of story. That is why the players will give in.
November 16 2012, 05:37AM
The fact is it is more important for each of these guys and their egos to "win", than to do what is right for the league, players and fans.
Neither of these guys gives a rodents rump about the fans or the game itself.
While I believe the players position is far weaker in terms that they as a group will be hit harder than the owners if the season ends, the Fehr's are unphased as they believe they are the smartest guys in the room.
And smarmy little Bettman, who I am certain suffers from Napoleonic delusions, is as annoying and unlikeable a frontman that has ever existed.
As a season ticket holder I feel like saying "pluck you all", or words to that effect. But will I give up my seats? No. Because some naïve part of me believes I will forget all this when these kids start to put it all together on the ice when this mess is eventually settled.
Hope. It is a blessing - and a curse.
EDIT: .... and Hope is also a super hot, but apparently bat sh!t crazy, US soccer goalie.
November 16 2012, 05:59AM
this entire thing is the ultimate slap in the fans faces. and they know almost everyone is going to come groveling back because they cant flip off any of these Man-Children or the Lawyers/Billionaires who run this amateur circus. (pat yourself on the back you Level-headed Adult)
we're more than likely going to miss 2 COMPLETE seasons in seven years (Dreger and McKenzie warned us early on with their pessimism). that is f!#^$^$ absurd (imagine if the NFL lost a season with their soon to be 40-billion dollar TV deal... where only 9% of the TV SHOW IS "LIVE GAME ACTION". have a blast watching 14 minutes of Prime Beef give each other concussions).
ive been a fan for almost 30 years now and played youth hockey because of it. as a US fan, it's been a huge impact on me, but at this point im becoming very indifferent. why should i take this seriously at all? i can disappear into so many other forms of escapism at this point that hockey could disappear into oblivion. all that stupid trivia/knowledge/playing the game can go to the back burner of my mind and id keep on chugging along fine. and by the way: the fans are the machine that makes this Garbage Can function through every facet of consumerism that leads back into the NHL directly/indirectly. people who say "who gives a ____ about the fans" have the economic understanding of a 12-year old who just wants his Big Boy TV Stories while sucking on a baby bottle of fermented/rotted vegetables.
November 16 2012, 06:17AM
my despise for the NHL will never reach the NHLPA level, but suffice it to say they are trying.
it is quite the feat to take a fan, who loves the sport more than any other sport, and make them disengaged and angered. for all my life, as far back i can have a memory i was raised as a hockey fan. oilers only of course.
hockey is like anything else, money matters more. it is surpising that either side can't grasp who is the basis for the money. odd.
Come back, don't come back, it don't care anymore. I am a sports fan & a hockey fan but it won't materially affect my life if they all disappear to the KHL and the NHL folds. These jack-holes have held the game hostage enough that it doesn't matter to me. As Roid Freud said, it is their god given right to shut this thing down of that there is no question. They may or may not be "clueless" about the damage that is being done but there is damage of that there is no question as well. Most of Canada and the regions of the States that are hockey states will be back. Its a free market and just as the owners have the right to run their business as they wish, so do the players have their right to supply their services to whomever pays the most. When the pie is sufficiently shrunk down and there is not enough HRR to sustain current conditions some of the players will stay in Europe whether its in the Swedish league or the KHL. The longer this goes on the more marginalized this league will become. Life is going on outside of this lockout. What will happen if the US goes over this fiscal cliff because of the gridlock in US government. Markets will crash again - this will affect some of the 30 owners. The buying public will be loosing money and jobs on both sides of the border. If they keep there heads buried long enough the view from inside there may be better than it is if they pull it out to look around...........
RE: Gregor's questions about my loyalty. Of course, I'm a dumb fan and will return. After the last 5 years we've endured it would take more than a lost season for me to get off the bandwagon right as things start to look good.
That said, I have already shared with my wife and friends that I plan on actively avoiding spending money on NHL the next few years. If the league comes back, I plan on watching games only on TV. I won't buy tickets to a game. I'll go if I get freebies of course, but I'll make a point of skipping the concessions and going for a beer afterwards offsite, which is better anyway. I have cancelled my NHL gamecenter subscription of course, and won't renew. I have instructed the wife and family to not spend 1 red cent on Oilers PJs, hats and other merch the kiddies usually get for Christmas and birthdays. Small potatoes perhaps but I hope if enough fans do this the entire league takes a hit, which will hurt the owners and eventually trickle down to the players in lost escrow/lower cap. But I can't pretend I'm going to lose interest in the Oilers... not now.
Personally I think the biggest heads in the sand are the players themselves. Sure Fehr and Bettman are doing their jobs... But the players make no sense and seem to be blindly following their leader off a cliff.
The sticking point now seems to be contracting rights. 5 year limits, 5% max variation. Crosby and crew march out there and say they will never give up these hard earned rights. They also spew out a bunch of BS about revenue sharing amongst teams. But lets look at the facts. 90% of players could only DREAM of a 5 CAREER never mind a 5 year contract. And never mind some 10 year cap circumventing back loaded trick contract. Those are only for the super elite/super ego/"superstars". So if this whole thing is about maintaining the ability to sign obscene contracts that beat the cap system this has nothing to do with 650+ players and is all about those elite few at the top.
So when I look at the beach I see 650 players like Smid, Petry, Petrell, Jones, Sutton, Hordichuk etc etc with their heads firmly in the sand, while Crosby and Weber sit near by on a chair sipping margaritas. These guys are blindly losing millions, possibly their careers for contracting rights and a money fight that doesn't impact them.
Personally if I was one of the 650 I'd be happy that Crosby can't sign a 10 year mega deal and suck up 20% of my teams cap space. Why don't they speak up?
November 16 2012, 07:49AM
How can you not be on the owners side in this. This is the only professional top tiered league probably in the world that has more than on third their teams losing money. 5 teams made a total of 212M and the rest lost a total of something like 88. If the Players are too stupid to see that the econmics arent working than they will soon be out of jobs.
Yes record revenues, but records costs also. Why should Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton, New York and Montreal share their profits and send money to states teams who piss it away. What is Edmonton and Vancouvers incentive to make money when they have to share it. They are low enough that they could drop ticket prices and spend stupidly and break even than not have to share, leaving them with around the same financial outcome.
So lets contract ten teams that dont make money. Well now you have 230 players out of a job. Ya thats what the union wants.
How F($*ing stupid can they be. No other professional sport gets over 51 percent of revenue. But the league that fails to make money they want 57.
Thanks Eric Lindros, you wanting to be paid more than gretzky when you never accomplished anything started all of this.
November 16 2012, 07:49AM
The longer it lasts the more relevant Bettman and Fehr believe they will be they only care about winning the deal not the fans or the player's
November 16 2012, 07:50AM
Actually the biggest head in the sand arent the players. It is the good and elite players.
Stop putting Crosby and Ovechkin front in center. Ya we may be missing them but no one has sympathy fot those two. Or even the other rich boys standing around them.
Players lose 100% of their revenue, as they lose their entire salaries.
Owners do not lose 100% of their revenue as most own their NHL arenas and subsititute hockey for ther events such as concerts.
In addition, even though NHL is a $3B industry, that is revenue, and not profit. It's easier for them to think long term, and have a goal of increasing profits long term by lowering player costs.
Quite simply owners will win in every scenario that doesn't involve a rival league forming. Players are naive to think they are negotiatiating from a position of strength.
November 16 2012, 08:36AM
The sooner this thing gets done the sooner I can get to boycotting it.
Let me preface this by saying I am a diehard Oilers fan and have been for 20+ years. I am a season ticket holder and usually go to 20-30 games a year.
I never thought I would ever say this but..I am seriously thinking of not renewing my tickets next year. This entire ordeal is so ridiculous and pointless. I find I am really not missing going to the games that much but instead my anger and frustration goes up daily as a result of all the crap that is spewed from each sides mouths.
As Gregor has pointed out, I think both parties are equally to blame and both are ignorant spoiled brats!!
As for the season ticket refund thing...The oilers are holding all of my money until a decision on the season is made. Granted I am getting 4% interest which is much better than any bank..but if I am at the point where I just say I want my money back now...I dont think that is an option at this time from what I have been told by the Oilers.
I think Steve Fehr's e-mail from last night sums up the situation nicely, no sense in discussing the relevant items when you can spend you time arguing over who actually wants to negotiate a deal less.
The whole lot of them are certifiable.
As far as continued support vs giving up tickets, the beauty of today's NHL economic landscape is that if you are concerned about losing you tickets to the waiting list in a market like Edmonton, you can keep them and still send a clear message by not purchasing any food, drink or merchandise at the arena. That's money the team relies on in the modern NHL as much as the ticket sales specifically.
November 16 2012, 08:50AM
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss HNIC. Now my wife thinks Saturday night is date night. How the hell am I going to get out of this if the league ever does come back? I think this season is already too late for me.
Thanks Gary. Thanks Donald. Go screw yourselves. I'm done for this season.
November 16 2012, 09:05AM
Stop me if you have heard this before.
Declare an impasse.
There is no legal need to have a CBA at all.
40 million cap. 20 million floor.
NO CBA. No entry level contracts. Free agency at 30. No guaranteed contracts. Max 2 year contracts.
Players can come back for 40% of face value of their existing contracts. This is perfectly legal as the old contracts are linked to the old CBA. If they refuse they are free agents.
Within months 90% of the players would be back on the ice, because 40% of the 2.4M current average is still 1 M and MUCH more than most of them can make anywhere else.
Classic Win Win
Fans win (cheaper), owners win, and the players win because they do not have to get real jobs. Fries with that Steve?
Molson Coors is already preparing to sue for non-delivery pertaining to their sponsorship agreement. I have to think that there are at minimum a dozen high profile sponsors who have paid the NHL and have received nothing this season who will follow suit.
The league and the players are too busy trying to figure out how to get to 50/50 (while still 'winning' the battle), neglecting the fact that the industry could well be in shambles when they return.
Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face.....
November 16 2012, 09:34AM
"It must be nice to be able to walk away from almost $673 million."
On the bright side the average Joes will have $673 million extra in their pockets this year.
November 16 2012, 09:37AM
Jason I'm a bit surprised by the number of responses you got . I haven't been following this for about 3 weeks now and figured someone would write about the Subway series . I'm nearly 70 and played ,coached and was an Oiler ticket holder for years . After the last lockout I figured it was over but this time for me I'm just disgusted . Mainly with the owners who over the years have been so greedy to bring in more and more teams thereby watering down the league quality of play. For me drop 6 teams . Enough .
November 16 2012, 09:42AM
As much as guys say they don't care or that they won't be back it's really not the case. The NHL knows that we will all eventually be back. Who are we kidding? In the short term attendance may sag and some non-ticket revenues will drop but at the end of the day most of us will flock back to our beloved team because that's just what fans do. Revenues will slowly return, some owners will make money, some will lose. Some players will make tens of millions and some will just make millions. Jerseys and hats and coffee cups and other garb will sell. Guys (and gals) will go to the games and cheer for their favorite player. We'll spend evenings on our couches watching the games our 60" TVs or go to the sports bar and talk about which waitress is hottest and how good the wings are tonight. It's just the way life goes in North America (and some parts of the world). We all want to be distracted from our lives and the world by something that doesn't really matter that's easy to digest. That something is sports. Most of us are sheep. When the shepherd calls the flock will follow. Sometimes there's some really good grass that we just can't leave but when one goes to the shepherd the others will follow not far behind.
My request is that we all just stop obsessing about it? It is what it is. Period. Let's find something better to do.
November 16 2012, 09:47AM
I can't wait for hockey to return. As an oiler fan, I like the fact our future core is more concerned about playing hockey than politics. They seem to be yet affected by the world of professional sport and entertainment (not to say they aren't but so far they keep saying the right things).
This entire CBA process continually reminds me of reality TV. Everything appears to be staged and the real attention seekers thrive in the spotlight (player, owners, media). Its unfortunate real people get effected by this economically but until this is settled I am not taking it personally as a fan.
November 16 2012, 09:52AM
I honestly don't give a sh*t if hockey ever comes back.
Though there are many infuriating things about this lockout, and many different things can be blamed for each side's stance (such as expansion teams that are losing the entire league money, owners who broke their own rules and signed cap circumvention contracts thereby eliminating what a salary cap does for a league in the first place, and players who seem to forget they make more of a percentage than the owners of the teams), one thing bugs me the most. All this bickering and posturing over revenue, and hearing players in the KHL talk about no coming back if their full contract is not awarded, are all forgetting that it's not their money that they are squabbling over. It's the fans money. The fans who have to save up to go to a game and watch from the nose bleeds, the fans who go down to their local pub on game night because it's only being shown on pay per view, it is our dollars each side is claiming a right to. Both sides seemed to have lost sight of that.
It is refreshing to hear players like Teemu say that they don't care so much that their last year of play is a lockout year, because they've already had such a great career. Instead they think it's not fair to the fans, and it didn't come off as pandering either, he seemed genuine.
As for coming back to hockey, coupled with the arena deal going sour, I am getting very close to swearing off hockey all together because it is clear neither the players, nor the league cares at all about the people who generate the billions of dollars of revenue they are primarily concerned with.
November 16 2012, 10:26AM
I love hockey, I eat, sleep and breathe hockey. The sad thing is that I just don't care anymore. The more I think about it the more I just want the season cancelled so we can stop hearing about the stupid lockout and the bickering back and forth. The game is being destroyed in the markets that don't make any money and that can't support their teams. If only the league would realize this and contract, to bad we still hear about expansion...
Excellent comments from top to bottom.
These are all die-hard fans on here with an overwhelming "Don't Care Anymore" sentiment.
If this is what's happened to the die-hards, imagine how the casual, but important, fan base is reacting.
If I were running the league or players association, I would be getting concerned about this . . .
November 16 2012, 10:48AM
what i dont understand is the thought process behind the players. Some owners are loosing money and cannot afford to keep a team with the current union deal. now if the owners caved and the system didnt change...i give it ~2 years~ and there is a possibility of teams folding. if there was a contraction in teams, there are less players in the union who would have jobs...less money to be paid to the players as well.
the point is why don't the players want to work with the owners...it solidifies there jobs and income
November 16 2012, 10:52AM
the union keeps on talking about the MLB system and how they should follow it. How does this work? there is a huge difference in competition. there are huge haves and have nots. it seems to be the same teams every year who compete and a few "poor teams" sneak in.
Why not use the NFL system as it creates equality in competition as every team has the exact salary to use....
it does mean revenue sharing but in a more profitable way.
Hockey was fighting a losing battle against the major sports in the US anyways but the complete indifference that the media down there has shown to this sand box tiff I find quite revealing.
THEY DONT CARE and frankly never did.
What has become painfully evident to those outside the citadel of hockeys brain trusts is this. They have already lost in monetary terms anything that either side will ever gain from this "new" agreement whenever they decide to get it done.
Personally I really didn't need much verification that the sport of professional hockey was run by arrogant buffoons, that has been evident for years. However.... this mindless posturing has cemented it into the annals of history forever.
Hold onto your legacy boys........ its a real winner.
PS.... and fwiw.. please refrain from spewing your fraudulent concern for we the fans. We are OK with just the injury, the insult can be stuffed up your proverbial a**es. Clearly it will fit nicely.
November 16 2012, 11:13AM
@Jason Gregor
What is "I couldn't care less"?
If I write "I could care less" I know that I could still care. Whats with the English-English transalation? Are you doing this just to prolong the negotiations?
NHL didn't overpay players, individual GMs did that.(not NHL as a whole) Most of these players are overpayed only because most of them don't live up or care to play to expecations of their contract. Most of them get the Heatley syndrome once they get their money.
When you negoatiate(if you ever have) do you give the biggest offer right away or do you try to low ball to see where the party stands and what they are willing to give?
You are right, they are not on the ice right now. Why should I care? There is nothing I can do to make them come back sooner, so no need to bother my self with it. The Oilers are a team I cheer for, not a business I am a part of. Once the business is figured out then I will get back to cheering for them.
Say you buy some Euros for your trip to Evropa and you do so with CDN dollars, for some reason you decide not to go and a week later you go back to convert your currency back to dollars. Economy has changed and the CND dollar is not at the same value: are you going to sit there and b!tch and ask for what you gave them earlier, are you going to sit and wait till the dollar goes up again, or, are you going to take what they give you and move on?
November 16 2012, 11:15AM
@Mumbai Max
I'm with you brother! Impass, break the union, start fresh.
It's time to fix this once and for all.......let's see how many players return? I suspect they will all return, they are too greedy and stupid at the same time.
November 16 2012, 11:38AM
Will i cut back on the amount of merchandise i purchase? Yes.
In fact i will continue to buy "replica" oiler Jerseys from China. Not only does that not put money in their pocket, it actually takes money out :-)
Suck my balls Katz, Bettman and Fehr.
November 16 2012, 11:50AM
Who cares. Lots of hockey to watch. Okc, Neftehimik Niznewhatever, Super series. Whl if I cared.
Honestly, I don't care.
November 16 2012, 11:54AM
Stop me if you have heard this before.
Declare an impasse.
There is no legal need to have a CBA at all.
40 million cap. 20 million floor.
NO CBA. No entry level contracts. Free agency at 30. No guaranteed contracts. Max 2 year contracts.
Players can come back for 40% of face value of their existing contracts. This is perfectly legal as the old contracts are linked to the old CBA. If they refuse they are free agents.
Within months 90% of the players would be back on the ice, because 40% of the 2.4M current average is still 1 M and MUCH more than most of them can make anywhere else.
Classic Win Win
Fans win (cheaper), owners win, and the players win because they do not have to get real jobs. Fries with that Steve?
And how long would it take for the players to organize and go on strike? I'd say right before playoff time.
November 16 2012, 11:55AM
I hope the season is gone.
The players will learn the hard way...again.
Fans will be less forgiving this time and salaries will go down down down.
November 16 2012, 12:03PM
I hope the season is gone.
The players will learn the hard way...again.
Fans will be less forgiving this time and salaries will go down down down.
And so will the owners profits, the same owners that are allowing Bettman to shelf talks for 2 weeks.


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By week 6, your baby's brain and nervous system are developing at a rapid pace. Optic vesicles, which later form the eyes, begin to develop this week on the sides of the head, as do the passageways that will make up the inner ear.
Your baby's heart will begin to beat around this time, and it may even be detected on ultrasound examination. And the beginnings of the digestive and respiratory systems are forming, too. Small buds that will grow into your baby's arms and legs also appear this week.
Because their legs are curled up against the torso for much of the pregnancy, making a full-length measurement difficult, babies often are measured from the crown to rump rather than from head to toe. This week, your baby only measures 0.08 to 0.2 inches (2 to 5 millimeters) from crown to rump!
Common pregnancy complaints may hit in full force this week. You may feel extreme fatigue as your body adjusts to the demands of pregnancy. And tender, aching breasts and nausea and vomiting (morning sickness) may leave you feeling less than great. Despite its name, morning sickness can occur at any hour or all day, so don't be surprised if your queasy stomach doesn't pass by noon. Nausea isn't the only thing that has you running to the toilet, though — hormonal changes and other factors, such as your kidneys working extra hard to flush wastes out of your body, cause you to urinate more frequently, too.
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Uloge: Jonny Lee Miller / Lucy Liu / Aidan Quinn / Jon Michael Hill
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Let your style go wild in the Prita Bootie from Bebe. This animal print bootie offers just the contrast you need to get your style sizzling.
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Animal print super sexy
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Control your robot and laser cannon simultaneously - DuoTasking is a multitasking-puzzle-platformer with unique and fun gameplay. You have not played a game like this before! Work through the tricky levels by multitasking - or duotasking - with your robot and laser cannon.
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A Well-Rehearsed Ritual
A Christmas tree stands a month after Christmas last year. Ashley, who had recently overcame thyroid cancer, kisses her son Trey, who was undergoing treatment for tuberculosis.
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Advent Tea was invented by my mother 40 years ago. My brothers were young and knocking over furniture in their pre-Christmas fervor. Mom needed to find some way of marshaling their excitement, so she built a little ritual around the lighting of a candle on a Sunday — something to pull them back to here and now and to take their eyes off December 25th. She took a few simple ingredients: cream crackers (frugal, brittle squares of air and flour), a jar of home-pickled onions, and a slab of cheddar cheese. She lit a candle, and that was it: Advent Tea.
Now my young sons are knocking over furniture, and I welcome Advent Tea as a slower, settled time on Sunday afternoons. My boys' religious education is a little patchy. When I asked them what Advent meant, they told me "it means crackers." But Advent Tea does what all good rituals do: it's a simple, repeated practice that has worn grooves into our years; it brings the weight and depth of shared experience to the moment.
Last December we were far from home, living in Boston, Massachusetts. Back in England, my parents were nursing my grandfather through the final stages of cancer. Advent was about a different kind of anticipation: not of birth, but of death. We knew Grandad did not have long to live. My parents were fully occupied with making his last weeks as comfortable as they could, and yet my dad found time to buy the makings of Advent Tea and ship them in a shoebox to the States. I felt the separation keenly — daily Skype calls are no substitute for being in the room. But Advent Tea connected me with them; I ate what they ate, we all lit a candle, and this invoked a little of their presence.
I'm back home now and don't need the shared practice to draw my loved ones close. This year, the ritual of Advent Tea is serving us in an unexpected way. We face our first Christmas not only without Grandad, but without my father too. He was vital, active, in his mid-sixties and struck down this summer by a stealthy, aggressive cancer that shocked everyone with the speed of its progression. I got home five days before he died. Our family is depleted: we've lost two tender, generous men who blessed the lives of everyone they knew. It's all too easy to dread Christmas, to seek out all the gaps and silences their absence has created and fill them up with weeping. I find myself angry when explaining Advent to my children; that it's more than cheese and crackers. I discover that the ecclesiastical construct both baffles and irritates me: the baby's already been born. Not only that, he's lived; he's died; we've had the Resurrection. We know the story. So why all this faked 'waiting'?' And don't get me started on the Second Coming.
My rant leads me to look for definitions. (What does it mean, anyway?) Advent, meaning "coming," leads me to parousia, the Greek word used in the New Testament in connection with the Second Coming. It means "presence."
And this is what the ritual of Advent Tea fosters: a gentle coaxing to be fully present, to cultivate what John O'Donohue calls "soul texture." It's a well-rehearsed ritual, so we don't need to think about what to set out on the table. The meal is simple. There is no cooking, no performance. We laugh. We eat. We light a candle. My sons fight about who gets to blow it out. As with my brothers, 40 years ago, Advent Tea helps us all to sit still. This year, more than ever, it coaxes me to be right here right now, with all the sadness and the gratitude and joy.
Anna Lawrence Pietroni started writing fiction when she was training to be a prison warden. She currently lives in Birmingham, England and published her first novel, Ruby's Spoon, this year.
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The California Domestic Partnership Rights and Responsibilities Act of 2003 extends rights, benefits and obligations to individuals in Registered Domestic Partnerships, effective January 1, 2005 . If you or your parents are in a Registered Partnership, this may impact your eligibility for state and University financial aid.
If you are affected by this change, you must complete the Domestic Partnership Form, which is available at the Financial Aid Office (Brotman Hall 101). Upon receipt of the Domestic Partnership Form and any other requested supporting information, our office will review the supplemental information and revise your financial aid award to reflect any change in eligibility.
The California Domestic Partner Rights and Responsibilities Act of 2003 seeks to secure for eligible couples who register with the State of California as domestic partners the "full range of legal rights, protections and benefits, as well as all of the responsibilities, obligations, and duties to each other, to their children, to third parties and to the state, as the laws of California extend to and impose upon spouses." Provisions that became effective January 1, 2005 will impact the determination of eligibility for California state student financial aid programs and aid programs of California public institutions.
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Michigan Rush Capital Area is excited to inform its membership that we have finalized the hiring process for a new Director of Coaching. We are very pleased to welcome Dan Bulley to the Rush family. Stepping in as the Rush CA DOC Developmental for the U8-U11 Boys and Girls, Dan brings a great passion and vast knowledge to our staff. His diverse experiences as a college player, college coach, youth coach, and his professional development in our coaching schools, have all contributed to his ability to teach our players in a professional manner. Below is a list of notable achievements from Dan's soccer history.
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- Former Director of Coaching Kalamazoo Kingdom
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Blending state of the art animation with live action, Hop is a comedy about E.B. (voiced by Russell Brand), the teenage son of the Easter Bunny. On the eve of taking over the family business, E.B. leaves for Hollywood in pursuit of his dream of becoming a drummer. He encounters Fred (James Marsden), an out-of-work slacker with his own lofty goals, who accidentally hits E.B. with his car. Feigning injury, E.B. manipulates Fred into providing him shelter, and Fred finds himself with the world's worst houseguest. The film is helmed by Tim Hill, director of the blockbuster Alvin and the Chipmunks and produced by Chris Meledandri's Illumination Entertainment (Despicable Me).
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Take a walk on the wild side in the Rocket Dog Simona! This girly evening pump has a fashionably fierce twist with its hot leopard print and oversized flower accent.
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Nah, Waste of time.
Whatever, I'd kick all your asses
What? No PS3 Tournament?
What? No one wants to Wii?
Falke 7
Before you ask.....Falke is the german word for hawk and 7 means seven
this one.
But if you really have enough money to waste, buy the resident evil 5 one. Whichever one you buy, also be sure to buy a cooling fan.
and Di3live, frost102585, Cito1109 and Falke 7, I am going to add you guys. My gamertag is Dragon Di3.
when will we play
I need to reup on my gold account
all these faces look like they're thinking but aren't
Soon. Hopefully we will get enough people.
I am surprised... I thought Halo 3 was more popular than this.
God news
Microsoft "Temporarily" Cuts The Price Of Xbox Live Gold Membership http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/69...embership.html
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Tod's Suede Wingtip Oxford
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With an array of handcrafted shoes, Tod's is the perfect blend of tradition and classic style. This suede wingtip oxford features brogue detailing and a contrast sole that will take your look to a whole new level.
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This is a guest post by Laurel Thomson
I realize that few readers are interested in sunscreens in early October, but if I don't write this post now, if I leave it until next spring, I will have forgotten the vast majority of what I'd like to communicate (I'm even older than Diana!)
Here in Ontario it was probably the most glorious summer in recent memory, with many sun-drenched days. I therefore had ample opportunity to slather myself, and my slightly reluctant 11-year-old daughter, with sunscreen. We tried 10 different products and each of us has a favourite.
If you want more details on what to look for in a sunscreen, Diana's old post has lots of information.
These are the products we tried:
Heiko Physical Sunscreen, SPF 30.
Approximate price: $30 for 150ml ($20/100ml)
Active ingredient: zinc oxide (non-nano). My favourite, especially for the face. As Diana mentioned in her post, it has a slightly medicinal scent, which I actually like. It is thick, so easier for small surfaces, such as face, neck and shoulders. Takes a long time to put on my entire body, so I never bothered.
Thinksport Kids Sunscreen Benefiting Livestrong, SPF 50+.
Approximate price $16 for 3 oz ($18/100ml).
Active ingredient: zinc oxide (non-nano).
My daughter's favourite. And it really works well. Goes on virtually transparent and, in the words of an 11-year old, "smells like heaven". Highly recommended. Even the packaging is BPA, vinyl and phthalate-free.
Elemental Herbs Sunstick, Unscented, SPF 30.
Approximate price $8 for .6oz ($45/100ml: but it is a stick)
Active ingredient: zinc oxide (non-nano).
Excellent for the face and for a quick swipe across the nose and cheeks. I carried one with me all summer and used it on both my daughter and myself when we were out for more than a couple of hours. We love the cocoa-butter scent and the feel of it on our faces – silky smooth. It also works!
California Baby Face and Body, unscented SPF 30+.
Approximate price $40 for 6oz ($22/100ml)
Active Ingredient: titanium dioxide.
Rubs in nicely, very mild chemical scent that is not unpleasant. We both like it but the name is not "cool" for an 11-year old. My only worry is that there are some concerns about the photo-reactivity of the active ingredient, TO2, which could result in cellular changes in the skin. The jury is still out on this, however.
Beyond Coastal Natural Clear Sunscreen, SPF30+.
Approximate price $18 for 2.5oz ($24/100ml)
Active ingredient: zinc oxide.
I love this sunscreen for my body, but no one else in my family does. They complain that it is thick (it is) and leaves a white film. I have yet to see the white film on my skin, but it is definitely present on my husband's hairy arms!! It has a lovely, mild rose scent. The company also manufactures a product under the same name that contains both titanium and zinc, which I stayed away from given my, likely unfounded, concerns about the former.
Dr. Hauschka Sunscreen Cream SPF 20.
NB. This product is discontinued: sorry Laurie
Active ingredient: titanium dioxide.
I love Dr. Hauschka products so I ignore my aversion to TO2 and put this on my face in the winter sun, when I want something lighter than SPF 30. It is pricey at $24 for 3.5 oz, but less expensive than many higher-end creams.
TruKid Sunny Days mineral sunscreen SPF 30+.
Approximate price $17.50 for 3.5oz ($17/100ml)
Active ingredient: titanium dioxide.
Nice product, that smells faintly like the creamsicles of my youth. I'd love to use it, but am wary of the TO2.
ECO Logical Skin Care, all natural sunscreen SPF 30+.
Approximate price $17 for 3.5oz ($16/100ml)
Active ingredient: zinc oxide.
Claims to be unscented, but smells like rancid oil, if you ask me. Stay away!
Green Beaver fragrance-free sunscreen, SPF 30.
Approximate price $20/90ml ($22/100ml)
Active Ingredient: zinc oxide.
This sunscreen is greasier than I care for but several of my friends swear by it since it does not whiten skin at all. They use it on their kids who are indifferent to the texture. They are mostly young kids or boys. My daughter won't go near it.
Alba Botanica very emollient Sport Sunscreen, SPF 45.
Approximate price $9/4oz ($7.50/100ml)
Active ingredients: octocrylene, homosalate, octinoxate, octisalate, titanium dioxide.
Given its chemical ingredients, it is not surprising that this product is a clear winner in the ease-of-rubbing-in contest. However, its composition is also why I do not use it. The EWG rating is 5, which is high enough for me to avoid. I suppose an upside is it does not contain the dreaded oxybenzone. So why did I try it? A friend gave me a tube. I don't particularly care for its chemical sunscreen scent.
From Diana: A very useful set of reviews, thanks Laurie. Funny that we both worked on TO2 issues around 25 years ago.
Some of these products are not readily available in Canada, though many can be shipped here through retailers such as iHerb.com. (Use the code UQE399 to get $10 off your first order of $40 or more: shipping to Canada is only $4 for an average shipment!).


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Surgi-Wax Brazilian Microwave Hair Remover Kit
- Overview
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- This special formulation is designed to remove coarse and stubborn hair from the most sensitive and delicate areas.
- All you need is a microwave.
- Simply heat wax to a creamy consistency and apply to skin.
- Within seconds the wax will become pliable.
- Then pull off to remove hair.
- Everything you need is in this one kit for fast, effective hair removal.
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A special formulation designed specifically for hair removal from the bikini area. Surgi-Wax Brazilian removes hair from the root, leaving your skin free of re-growth for weeks!
Always test hot wax on a small area of your skin for possible skin reaction. Wait 24 hours. If skin appears normal, proceed with complete hair removal treatment. Do not use wax if you have a pre-existing skin condition, sunburn, Diabetes, Phlebitis, recent scar tissue, or irritated skin. Do not use for any other applications other that the intended use. Do not bathe in hot water immediately before or after waxing.
The Surgi-Care hair removal collection includes microwavable waxes, wax strips, bleaches and depilatory creams for flawlessly smooth skin.
Dont Do It!The absolute WORST waxing experience of my life. And I KNOW waxing. I feel like I just put rubber cement all over my private parts. Those who said the consistancy is like bubblegum were exactly right. Im going to take a hot shower and give myself a nice shave instead. Dont use this product! Needlessly messy!Apr 13, 2009Holly
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Problem When Trying To Heat In The Microwave The Surgi-wax Brazilian Microwave WaxI have successfully used the product once. When I am trying to heat the product for my second use in the microwave It seems just not right it is causing flames and sparks in teh microwave. I am just too scared to try again to put in the microwave. If any of you have faced and have a reason or solution please share.Mar 23, 2009Ekha / CA, US
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Worth The SearchI have used surgi-wax for a couple of years now and it makes me mad that stores actually stop selling it. Its the only worthwhile hair remover. It IS worth the search though and if the only way to get it is to order online, then so be it.Mar 10, 2009Bee / San Angelo, TX
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Best Of ManyI have used this product for years, and even though it is hard to find sometimes, it is worth tracking down. When I wasnt able to find it I settled for the sally Henson version once and it was absolutly horrible! It took my three and half hours, it burned me, it is twice as much and it was SO Painful!! I have also tried Nair, what a horrible mess that removes no hair!!! This product is not very painful, it doesnt burn or remove skin, and it leaves my skin smooth for weeks. My boyfriend loves it! Getting it off your fingers is a pain, but rubber gloves or rubbing alcohol works great, with COLD water. The cold water makes the wax briddle and it comes right off. I love this product and will buy it at this web site for now on!Dec 29, 2008Jacquelynne / Colorado
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Best Product Ever!!!I love the price. I love the results. What I hate? I have a hard time finding it when I run out. So when I do find it I stock up!!!! Yesterday I ran out. So I went out to look for it. No luck. Had to settle for Sally Hansens version. Awful! AND it costs twice as much. More money for terrible results. Surgi Wax I love you.Oct 23, 2008Becca / Sacramento
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AmazinggggOk so I never understood why people took the time to review products, but after searching so long and looking at so many reviews for a better at-home waxing kit and finding this one I just had to share my experience! 1) I recommend going to a professional for the first few times-- otherwise itd be way too painful to do on your own. 2) the pre-oil is very important. 3) make sure you heat it up enough, it should be able to flow onto your skin and spread easily. 4) pull it off when its a little tacky but clearly in one piece.Thats basically it. After doing lots of at-home kits with strips and going to professional places many times, Ill definitely be sticking with this! Saves SO much money and SO less painful than other at-home kits! Dont listen to others who reviewed it badly, they kinda scared me before but they must have just been doing it wrong! p.s. Im about to go buy the rest of the stock tomorrow :)Oct 5, 2008Anonymous / VA
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Great ProductI am a male and used this product. The pain wasnt that bad. The closer I got to my penis the more it hurt. The most painful thing was thinking about pulling the wax off the first time. I expect to scream. I think it worked great, Ill do it again. I like the smooth feeling. My wife loves it too. I wished it would take longer to grow back!Jun 20, 2008Anonymous / San Diego
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Can It Get Any Better???I never used the "old" formula, but if it was better than this, it must have been freakin awesome! This stuff works great. I have had the ocassional too early gummy pull, usually when I over heat the wax and then put it on a bit thick, and every once in awhile the - got distracted and left it on too long and its stuck. But over all I think that this is the best waxing product out there (though I have to reheat it frequently). Ive been using various forms/companies/varieties of other waxes with cloth strips over the years, and hands down this is the best. I have discovered something that makes it much easier to do when working in denser areas. What I do is take one of the large tongue depressors/spreader sticks leftover from the "other" kinds of wax. I put it up against my skin where I want to pull the strip from. When you smooth the wax over in the direction of growth, end by spreading some wax on the stick. Then when its ready, you can get a great grip on the strip by gripping the stick and you dont have to worry about it matting in other areas. Good luck!Jun 10, 2008Apple
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Guys Have It Bad Too. Best Product I've Tried Yet.Im a 25 year old guy and naturally VERY hairy, which I find rather repulsive. Ive tried it all..Shaving, epilators, creams, and traditional waxing. Shaving sucks and lasts less than a day, epilators are like slow Chinese Torture, creams do absolutely nothing, and waxing hurts like.. Well, the most painful thing Ive ever experienced "down there." Not only is traditional waxing the most painful thing ever, it only seems to remove about half the hair on my crotch and leaves my skin burnt red, hurting, puss bumps soon appear and hurt for weeks.Saw this product in a store and decided to give it a shot, followed the directions very closely and love the results! Two days later my skin is still perfectly smooth and feels great. After heating and applying the wax, I ripped all the strips off and only hairs it left behind were shorter than the directions indicated it would remove. Not only did it work great but I hardly even felt the wax ripping my public hair from the roots!! Personally Im Highly impressed and will buy this product again for continued use!!Apr 27, 2008Scott
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I Got The Container Home Today.....I have used the "old" formula of this wax and I LOVED IT!!!! I got home today from the store, and...... (drum roll)I opened the white container, and my wax WAS NOT green like it should be. I am debating on whether or not to use it after realizing I got the "new and improved".I havent used the brown wax, only the green. The green is what I gave a 5 star rating to. I think that is why people either have 5 stars or 1, new and old.Good luck ladies!! Just remember that once you get the wax, well, down there, that isnt the time to decide to chicken out. =DMar 11, 2008Rachel / 585, NY
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Revealed: how energy firms spy on environmental activists
Rob Evans and Paul Lewis
15th February, 2011Leaked documents show how three large British companies have been paying private security firm to monitor activists more...
Do aggressive and subversive police tactics put-off environmental protesters?
Tom Antebi
9th February, 2011With the recent spate of police aggression, intimidation and infiltration of the environmental movement, the Ecologist asks if these tactics are turning people away from protests? more...
Climate activist trial collapses over use of undercover police officer
Tom Antebi
10th January, 2011The second trial of activists accused of planning to occupy Ratcliffe-on-Soar power station has collapsed after the use of undercover police officer Mark Kennedy was revealed more...
Climate activism: is the trial more important than the protest?
Andrew Hickman
25th August, 2010As nine climate change activists are fined by a Scottish judge for breaking into Aberdeen airport, we look at how courtroom manoeuvres form a crucial part of the package more...
The struggle to report on Tibet's environment
Andrew Wasley
1st May, 2009Reporting from the frontline of environmental activism, Andrew Wasley takes a closer look at the environmental situation in Tibet. more...
'Do you want to die?': environmental activists at risk
Tom Levitt
26th October, 2009Recent abductions and threats against activists trying to prevent logging in South-East Asia are part of a worrying trend of violence against those exposing environmental issues more...
Climate Camp
Amelia Gregory
9th April, 2009The plan was a simple one: Climate Camp would "swoop" onto the main road on Bishopsgate directly outside the European Climate Exchange (the biggest carbon trading hub in the world) on April 1st, just as the G20 circus rolled into town. But we were never sure precisely how it would work. more...
The G20 marches - a pointless protest against everything, or the dawn of a new collective action?
Sylvia Rowley and Rachel Rickard Straus
2nd April, 2009Protests. A political free-for-all or a new collective activism around social and environmental problems? Sylvia Rowley and Rachel Straus find out. more...
Dan Box blog: listening to the radicals
Dan Box
2nd April, 2009Dan Box makes a detour to the G20 climate protests in London, but leaves disappointed. Later, a lecture by Nicholas Stern, author of the Stern review, lifts his spirits. more...
Youth driving the environmental movement
Joss Garman
25th March, 2009'We're here because our parents' generation has failed us and it's up to young people to stop climate change by whatever peaceful means we have left.' more...
Talking about the Why Generation
Ed Hamer and Jon Hughes
1st February, 2008February 1968. From South Vietnam the explosive Têt Offensive has dealt a final blow to shattered US troops and sparked a worldwide appetite for insurrection. Left destitute by standards of living and provoked by a three-year war on their ideological comrades, student leaders across Europe rise up with a single voice 'We shall fight. We will win. Paris, London, Rome, Berlin.' Within six weeks, 20,000 protesters will besiege the American embassy in London's Grosvenor Square. It is the Spring of Discontent, and revolution is the air. more...
Chinese environmental protesters take to the streets
Sam Geall
7th June, 2007Protests of unprecedented scale have been taking place in China against rapid and deadly environmental destruction. A new youth movement is taking to the streets and demanding change. Sam Geall reports more...
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February 6, 2014
Chris Pincince
WEST HAVEN, Conn. – University of New Haven Associate Vice President and Director of Athletics Deborah Chin introduced Chris Pincince as the university's new head football coach at a press conference today in UNH's Charger Gymnasium. Pincince becomes the 10th head coach in program history and will begin his duties immediately.
Including his two previous stints as an assistant at New Haven, Pincince brings nearly 20 years of collegiate coaching to his new post. He began his career with the Chargers in 1995 as an assistant for UNH Athletics Hall of Famer and current Oakland Raiders Assistant Head Coach Tony Sparano. He spent three additional seasons with the Chargers from 1999 to 2001 under Darren Rizzi, current special teams coordinator for the Miami Dolphins. Prior to his most recent position as offensive coordinator at NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) member Elon University in North Carolina, Pincince was the offensive coordinator at the University of Rhode Island and the College of the Holy Cross.
"We were pleased to have such an outstanding pool of candidates in our search for a new head football coach," President Steven H. Kaplan said in a statement read by Vice President for Enrollment Management James McCoy. "During this process, Coach Pincince rose to the top because of his record of achievement, his passion for the University of New Haven's program and his commitment to the success of our student-athletes on and off the field. I am excited for the future of Chargers football."
Chin noted, "Coach Pincince is the perfect choice to keep our program at the top of Division II. It was important for us to find a head coach with previous experience in all phases of running a team. He will be an excellent recruiter and a dynamic leader who will continue our proud winning tradition. I'm sure our alumni and fans will appreciate what he brings to our program."
At Elon, Pincince was the offensive coordinator as well as the quarterbacks and running backs coach for three seasons. In his first year Elon's offense led the Southern Conference and ranked 14th nationally with 281 passing yards per game. Pincince's offensive scheme was anchored by All-America wide receiver Aaron Mellette, who led all of FCS in receptions per game (10.27) and receiving yards per game (149). His season totals also set new school and conference records in 2011. Quarterback Thomas Wilson also led the conference and ranked 14th nationally in total offense. In his second season at Elon, the offense ranked 12th in the FCS in passing yards per game (296), with Mellette again earning All-America honors. The receiver became the first Elon player invited to the Senior Bowl and was later selected in the seventh round of the NFL draft by the Baltimore Ravens. In Pincince's final season at Elon, the Phoenix ranked second in the conference in passing yards per game (231) and averaged over 350 total yards per contest.
During the three seasons prior to arriving at Elon, Pincince was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at the University of Rhode Island. While at URI, Pincince installed the spread offense, and the Rams ranked fifth in the Colonial Athletics Association (CAA) in passing offense in his first season.
Pincince also spent four years at the College of the Holy Cross, including two seasons as the Crusaders' offensive coordinator. In 2007, the Holy Cross offense led the Patriot League in scoring (35.9 ppg), passing (335 ypg), total offense (463 ypg) and first downs (272). Crusaders quarterback Dominic Randolph led the league in passing (3,604 yards), touchdown passes (30) and total offense (340 ypg) and finished 12th in the balloting for the Walter Payton Award. Pincince's first two seasons at Holy Cross were spent as the wide receivers coach.
Prior to his tenure at Holy Cross, Pincince served as the offensive coordinator at Ursinus College in 2003. The season before, Pincince was the quarterbacks coach at Brown University. He also spent two seasons at Fairfield University.
During his five previous seasons at New Haven, the Chargers combined for a 32-18-1 record and advanced to the NCAA Division II quarterfinal round in 1995. The Chargers finished the regular season undefeated and earned a 27-12 victory over Edinboro in the opening round of the NCAA playoffs. In his second stint, the Chargers averaged over 30 points and 350 yards per game during his three-season stretch.
"I think Chris is absolutely the right person for us at this time," said Ralph F. DellaCamera Jr., a member of the UNH Board of Governors who named the university's football stadium in his father's honor. "He has great energy and a clear vision for what we can accomplish. I think he will be a terrific addition to the UNH football program."
"I'm very happy to be back at the University where I began my coaching career nearly 20 years ago," said Pincince. "I'm excited to get my family up here to join me and the rest of the UNH community. I'd like to thank President Kaplan as well as the search committee for giving my family and I this tremendous opportunity to return to UNH. I'm ready to continue the great tradition of Charger football and can't wait to start working with the dedicated student-athletes currently on the team."
A native of Woonsocket, R.I., Pincince earned his bachelor's degree from Boston University in 1994. He was a member of the Terriers' 1993 Yankee Conference Championship team and played on two NCAA Division I-AA (now FCS) playoff teams. He and his wife, Jennifer, have two sons, Zachary and Owen, and a daughter, Emma.
The University of New Haven is a private, top-tier comprehensive institution recognized as a national leader in experiential education. Founded in 1920 on the campus of Yale University in cooperation with Northeastern University, UNH moved to its current West Haven campus in 1960. The University operates a satellite campus in Tuscany, Italy, and a graduate business campus in Orange, Conn. and offers programs at several locations throughout Connecticut and in New Mexico. UNH provides its students with a unique combination of a solid liberal arts education and real-world, hands-on career and research opportunities. The University enrolls approximately 6,400 students, including nearly 1,800 graduate students and more than 4,600 undergraduates – the majority of whom reside in University housing. Through its College of Arts and Sciences, College of Business, Henry C. Lee College of Criminal Justice and Forensic Sciences, Tagliatela College of Engineering, and College of Lifelong & eLearning, UNH offers 75 undergraduate and graduate degree programs. UNH students have access to more than 50 study abroad programs worldwide, and its student-athletes compete in 16 varsity sports in the NCAA Division II's highly competitive Northeast-10 Conference.


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This is a joke right? RIGHT? Noooooo Not the smiles! NOOOOO!
This is a joke right? RIGHT? Noooooo Not the smiles! NOOOOO!
the should get rid of the one piece section or the d-grey man sections and not the nartuo
Shit , I hope this is just a bad joke :(
The naruto section is more active than any other section so why get rid of that?
The only thing that comes to a sleeping man is dreams.
"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real"
because most of its activity belongs in the same category as the rants of the naked guy yelling into a megaphone on the corner of 5th and maple.
and it contributes most to the graveyard
but yeah, im pretty surprised that the economic downturn has affected us that much
Fire type
What chakra type are you?
The important question is, how can we donate to help with bandwith and get mangashare back up and running?
Let's get this party started.
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- The Evolution of Los Zetas in Mexico and Central America: Sadism as an Instrument of Cartel Warfare. Authored by Dr. George W. Grayson.
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Few cartel leaders acquire fame for culinary skills. However, Miguel Ángel "El 40" Treviño Morales, the sadistic erstwhile chief of Los Zetas, became skilled in preparing "el guiso" (the stew). His recipe is simple. After torturing a victim, even an infant, he plunged him into a 55-gallon pig cooker, doused him with gasoline, and set him on fire.


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Skip to comments.Community Outraged that Store Clerk Shot Man, Surveillance Video Tells Different Story (VIDEO)
Posted on 11/30/2012 4:08:45 PM PST by marktwain
Community members are up in arms in southeast Houston, demanding justice for a 21-year-old man who was shot by a store clerk during an altercation Monday night. What happened? The young man punched the clerk in the face.
According to KHOU news, Alexander Calloway and his two cousins were trying to enter a gas station at 3:30 a.m., but the store was locked. The young men got into an argument with the clerk, Akrem Azzam, through the bulletproof exterior counter. Azzam eventually unlocked the door to speak with Calloway, which was admittedly unwise. Still, thats no excuse for what happened next.
Azzam confronted Calloway, the two getting chest to chest, apparently arguing (in the video it looks like Calloway was the aggressor). Calloway reached back and hit Azzam in the face, and in turn Azzam pointed his handgun at Calloway and shot him in the belly.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. So, what is surveillance footage worth? Probably a not guilty verdict.
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hey, it doesn't show him shoot him. :(
He brought a fist to a gunfight...
They were looking for trouble. They got it.
Interesting confrontation. As best I have been able to determine, Azzam is a Muslim name. So we have a Muslim and a Black. Not surprising, Quanell X took the side of the Black kid. If Obama had a son like one of these, wonder which one it would be.
People who physically attack others for no justified reason, should expect severe consequences.
Every cracker knows that when the drums stop something bad is gonna happen with the Ubangi's.
If the winds shift in an ugly direction, 'bama said he'd stand with the muslims.
...and that's not a "Community", it's a tribe.
Hey, after a punch in the chops I'd shoot first and and let the cops ask all the questions later.
The biggest question will be "whose side will the Drive-By Media take, the black's or the Muslim's"?
The mediawhores will be turning themselves into pretzels trying to figure who to defend and who to smear.
Whaddya bettin'?
Houston Trayvon got what he deserved
Too bad the video stopped
>Azzam later told police that after he shot Calloway, one of Calloways cousins approached the store and opened fire though the security window. The store clerk was not hit. Police said that man was arrested and is facing aggravated assault charges.
In a sane world, the cousin shooter would be facing attempted murder charges.
His skin must be the correct color to skate with minimal charges I guess.
You have to be armed in Houston. If Houston Police showed up within a hour of the first call, it would be a miracle.
Let's see - I have three options:
- Ignore the idiots and stay away from the window in case they have guns
- Call 911
- Open the door
Hmmm.. I think I'll open the door.....
Wow! Read the comments. Lots of black hate. Obama did this.
Praying that the perp dies and saves the taxpayers some money
Why didn't the thugs open their own BATFE Store?
It's definitely a mid east name. Not necessarily a muslim name. Many , if not most of these middle eastern store operators are actually Chistians who were persecuted in their homeland
I doubt the Muslims will be standing with the sons of Obama.
Like a good stompin'?
Not really interesting. In many urban areas, the hardworking Arab Muslim shop-owners are the only law-abiding folks around. Believe me, there's little solidarity between these two ethnic groups.
I would say many but not most. There's plenty of Muslim shop owners. There just not Jihadis. After Bush opened the floodgates to Muslim immigration post 9/11, many came here simply for a chance to prosper.
There's a Muslim gas station owner by my house. I stop by after work every night to pick up a couple of 4-Lokos. He's a good guy. Calls me "boss". Has no problem selling me alcohol. Then again, I'm white so I'm not really a threat unlike the black youth who shoplift (and are the reason he spent a great amount of profit installing a bulletproof plexi-glass barrier).
What a weak assed punch!
No wonder he got shot in the stomach! The store clerck just flinched and the gun went off.
Been years since I heard that! :)
These things are so damned predictable, any more. A "white Hispanic" in the mix would have made things so simple for the whores.
Looks like more Black Ku Klux Klan Racism.....
Maybe if the Black community would police their own...a lot less of them would get shot by people defending themselves.
You can bet the liberal media will side with the Black Racists over a Middle Eastern person
Mistake number one...living or working in downtown tribal Houston (our Detroit). Unfortunately, the DA down there will do everything possible to press charges and prosecute. Two places you don't want to shoot someone in Texas, even in self defense, Insane Austin and Tribal Houston. They will prosecute and make it miserable even if eventually they lose the case .... legal prosecutor misconduct and harassment.
4-Lokos...Dear God why?
Some of these same "community" protestors thought it was just fine when Crystal Scott shot Jonathan Ables through her car window at a gas station. (Houston, Sept. 2012) The dead man (no weapon) was tried in the media while his body was still warm. NAACP and NAACP-linked attorney showed up right after the shooting. MSM has NO interest in reporting on "911 tapes", surveillance video, witness statements, how many times he was shot, did she get our of her car at the busy gas station and shooting him more than one time, etc. a big NOTHING from the MSM.
There's a reason the owner kept the store locked and protected with bulletproof glass. Would be interesting to see the crime stats for that 'hood.
Protest held "8000 block MLK"
You can't make this stuff up.
Because T-Bird just ain't what it used it used to be.
True story. May I suggest MD 20/20 or 40oz of Old E?
If you ever go to Houston, better walk right
Keep your hands in your pockets and your gun belt tight
You'll be asking for trouble if you're looking for a fight
If you ever go to Houston, boy you better walk right
Funniest comment this week! Lifting a bit of the 0-relection blues
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After your first tour, you may be assigned to a billet available to all officers, such as recruiting duty, instructor duty at The Basic School or series commander at one of the Marine Corps Recruit Depots.
As a pilot, you may also do a tour with an infantry or tank battalion as a Forward Air Controller, coordinating with aircraft to accurately time and target munitions.
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Pettit was a three-time All-American and a three-time All-SEC selection at Louisiana State University where he average 27.8 points per game. A tireless worker and a lean, tough and graceful competitor, Pettit led the LSU Tigers to the NCAA Final Four in 1953. Pettit had an 11-year NBA career with the Atlanta Hawks and guided them to the NBA Championship in 1958. He was an 11-time NBA All-Star and was named the All-Star game MVP more times than any other player. His NBA career totals include over 20,000 points and over 12,000 rebounds. He was selected for NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team.
Where They Are Now
Owns a financial consulting company in New Orleans
Where They Were
Louisiana State University 1952-1954