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It began with hand bells
December 17 2008 10:00AM
Q: What is the worst Oilers game you have ever seen live?
A: December 16, 2008 -- 9-2 vs the Hawks. And this is amazing remembering we had season tickets with Grandma Gretz during the dark years. The really truly dark years circa 1992-1998. In those days the Oil would get blown out most nights. But to be fair they sucked.
These Oilers? We don't even know what they are anymore. We even felt for MacT after the game. There isn't a bag skate hard enough to fix this squad. If you're him and you've walked around the dressing room screaming and yelling, you have punched every Oiler directly in the face (Garon twice) then what? It doesn't really matter how the Oil bounce back tonight against the Canucks. The Oil need a heart transplant, mass firings, mass hirings, every single player mentally reprogrammed, a new arena, a new coach, a new GM, new training staff and a mascot.
You know what we love?
Being point night for the friggin' Chicago Blackhawks. Not the Red Wings. The Blackhawks. Not a team like San Jose filled with wily veterans and big ol' goons. The Blackhawks -- a fellow squad also filled with punk assed 19-to-21 year olds. Thing is, the punks in Hawks jerseys were laughing and celebrating after every goal like it was a WHL intrasquad scrimmage, while our little friends in Copper and Blue were thinking only of getting in to Diesel Ultra Lounge later in the night.
Well done Oilers you have truly embarrassed yourselves. And on Handbell Anthem Night to boot.
To be fair
To be fair the first seven goals were suspect. Really they could have gone either way. Right.
To be fair most fans really aren't that upset this morning. See everyone had cleared the hell out of Dodge as soon as the 50-50 was announced. Like seriously everyone. And the millions watching at home were probably long gone by the time the score was in the books too. Only the JL kept 'er goin all night long. Bless their hearts.
To be fair Liam Reddox had an assist. You'll forgive us if we wouldn't give two shits if Liam Reddox woke up this morning and decided to never play another game of hockey ever again. There is nothing more heart breaking than listening to the remaining 45 per cent of the RX1 crowd cheering their hearts out for the 9-2 goal.
Only bright spots
The pictures from the game last night are pouring in from Citizens of the Nation. Apparently there were some folks that managed to keep their eyes open and dinners in their stomachs long enough to send their ol' pal Wanye some great snaps. Keep them comin' to email@example.com. We will have some up later in the day.
The most interesting thing on the whole night was finding out a friend of our co-worker once hooked up with 50 Cent. Something about living in Washington and something something 50 Cent met her and bingo bango. Normally we would lead with news of this magnitude but today, well we just don't have it in us.
There. You finally broke us Oilers. Thanks.
Game tonight.
December 17 2008, 10:04AM
I attended this game Wanye and also hated it from beginning to end. You are so wise and smart and
*shotgun blast*
@ Wanye Gretz: Best to re-load and try again, just to make sure . . .
I hope this will spark a fued between Vancouver and Chicago. I want to hear Quennville make a comment about Vancouver now having a turn at Chicago's "sloppy seconds" and hilarity will ensue, because we all need something to laugh at on this sombre morning. On the flipside, the Oilers should play a decent game tonight seeing as they haven't played since Saturday
December 17 2008, 10:22AM
Wow, amazingly awful. Oddly, it was not the young players that looked the worst. Souray, Moreau, Horcoff, Hemsky,Cole, Staios (dear god) were terrible. Souray did a great screen on Garon on the first goal and Moreau did his best to out do Souray on the second. How about blocking shots or get out of the way? That PP is terrible and not just last night, the whole bloody season. MacT, time to make some changes because lord knows you are not going anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!
December 17 2008, 10:22AM
I think I need to find better things to do with my time then follow this team. This is hopeless. Things is, it seems as though no matter how bad it gets the Oil brass wont make changes.
Why do we even care anymore? They dont seem to...
December 17 2008, 10:32AM
For a brief second last night I cheered. It was for the Oilers second goal of the night, and I have never heard 1000 fans scream so loud! Then as quick as the goal was scored the cheering ended when we all looked up to the all mighty scoreboard and saw that it wasn't a 2-2 game, it was a 9-2 game. The last time I was this depressed over an Oilers game, Erik Cole had just won a Cup.
December 17 2008, 10:33AM
Big Deal wrote:
, it was not the young players that looked the worst. Souray, Moreau, Horcoff, Hemsky,Cole, Staios (dear god) were terrible. Souray did a great screen on Garon on the first goal and Moreau did his best to out do Souray on the second. How about blocking shots or get out of the way? That PP is terrible and not just last night, the whole bloody season. MacT, time to make some changes because lord knows you are not going anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!
You have to love how Stortini, Pouliot and Reddox were a +1. + friggen 1!
I don't even know who this friggin team is anymore...We got no sandpaper, none, zero, ziltch. We've got one guy who can score, one. Ya, occasionally someone else gets in on the act, but realy, we are a one pony show. (I ain't a schremp lover) but, he got sent down, probaly watched the next one coast around all night??? Why, dear god, why is Ganger still logging any minutes??? People want to crap all over Poo, well folks....Nuff said. I lost more money last night, got big money already on the game tonight, I'm gonna have to become a 3 dollar whore soon to pay my gambling debts. Fire MacT"? no, fire Klo, then MacT....
Milli wrote:
Fire MacT"? no, fire Klo, then MacT….
Why can't he continue as President? It's seemingly harmless...
@ Lubo71:
Are you serious?
The curse of the retro-third jersey continues. Thank god they will be wearing them again on FRIDAY!!!
The new Oilers 3rd will be worn 14 times including the Home Opener against Colorado on October 12, against all of the original six team when they visit Rexall Place , the Glenn Anderson celebration on January 18th and for the Oilers annual 'Shirts Off Our Backs" charity game December 19th.
What a gawd-awful game to attend, if it wasn't for the $50 of 50/50 tickets I would have been out of there early.
Milli wrote:
@ Lubo71: Are you serious?
Dead serious. Perhaps we should look to the new GM who has yet to do anything since being hired. Lowe is becoming an ambassador for the team more than anything and I think he is fantastic in that capacity.
The problem is on the ice.
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No GM's have done anything around the league. It takes two to tango, and I am sure that Tambo has no desire to be fleeced for the sake of doing "something".
It is clear that something needs to be done, but it better be a smart move, not just a move done for the sake of doing something.
@ Cam:
Part of me agrees with you. My original point to Milli was just that firing Lowe wouldn't be appropriate if we were looking for a fix on the ice.
But your point about no one doing anything is well taken. I bet the economy has more to do with that than any fan cares to consider. Trading away 3 million in salaries for a 7 million dollar player is probably not on too many GMs radar right now.
The high-lite of the game for me was when I had to stop looking at the TV to change my daughters dirty diaper. Normally it is the worst thing I smell all day but thanks to Mac T's 'challenging for the division' Oilers it was a nice break from that crap on the ice. If there is a Mac T legacy it's that he has no clue how to achieve consistancy. How can the same team play so well one night and play the worst hockey in decades 3 nights later? We'll probably lose our next 3 or 4 and the 'heads will roll' talk will gain more speed then we will win a couple and all will be well again in OilerLand. Crap this team is frustrating!
@ Lubo71: The problem is the team that Klo has compiled. What is there identity? Soft, slow, no hands??? 3 goalies. Letting GlennX, Reasoner and stolly go? Our PK is a discrace, well, guess who was at it last year???? We need a few less small forwards, we need desperatley some tem toughness and 1, just 1 guy with hands. These are Klo's responsibility (as he said when tambo was hired, he is still THE GUY).
Was at game last night. Wondering if anyone else noticed bickering between Cole and Nillson in warmup. At the beginning Nilsson fired puck at cole and he looked royally pissed and yelled something. Then at the end Cole pretty much threw a check at him and slashed his stick out of his hands. Not to mention that Cole and Garon looked completely disinterested last night. Maybe MacT hasn't lost the team, but it wouldn't surprise me if those two stopped listening...
December 17 2008, 11:38AM
The only thing that made me smile last night, in any way, was a comment made during the commentary "Garon couldn't see it. The only thing he saw was Moreau's backside". I can think of worse things, I suppose. I just feel used and abandoned. Like a prom night dumpster baby.
December 17 2008, 11:40AM
No boys...this is far from the worst game in Oiler history...Actually the best game in Oiler history came on Feb 12, 1984...The greatest song in sports history, THE BRASS BONANZA, rained down 11 times as my Hartford Whalers crushed the Oilers 11-0...Glen Sather was spitting teeth after that one...If you are a believer in history, three months later the Oilers won their first Stanley Cup. If it wasn't for my Whalers humiliating the Oilers who knows if they would have won their first Cup. They won eight straight after that crushing defeat, and went 18-4 in their final 22 games. Then they went 15-4 in the playoffs.
The true judge of this team's character will be how they respond tonight and for the next few months. We'll see if they have any sort of gonads tonight!!! Man I love the Brass Bonanza...IF you haven't heard it, tune in at exactly 3:01 today...because it will be played often....
@ Jason Gregor:
I was thinking of you when Tencer & Corey mentioned this last night on way home from the debacle. Hartford...who woulda thunk it?
BUCK75 wrote:
@ Jason Gregor: I was thinking of you when Tencer & Corey mentioned this last night on way home from the debacle. Hartford…who woulda thunk it?
Thunk what?
December 17 2008, 11:53AM
The most shocking stat I have ever read:
The franchise record for worst home ice goal differential in a loss is a three way tie - with the Oil losing by seven goals on home ice three seperate times in 1992, 1995 and 2008.
All three losses come at the hands of the Blackhawks.
*second shotgun blast*
The Whalers were hardly a powerhouse that season...
The Whalers show slight improvement but finish in last place again with a 28-42-10 record, missing the playoffs for the 4th year in a row. http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/hartford/whalers.html
This day in Whalers history... http://www.brassbonanza.com/Sound/DateInHistory/96-97-DayInHistory-840212.mp3
PS - Brass Bonanza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKSpEfPOTo
December 17 2008, 12:00PM
Couldn't beleive Poo celebrating his goal as much as he did. Game was gone at that point and he acted like he just put them in the playoffs. "Hey everyone, I just scored a meaningless goal in a humiliating game, let's party".
Let's take a step back everyone. If you try really hard you can see that this whole season has been kind of funny.
Remember what everyone was saying about the team this summer, then think about what has happened.
First, Hemsky is leading the team in shots. Pardon? Hemsky? You do mean Ales right? On pace for thirty goals? really?
Then think about the three goaltender situation and tell me that people really thought Garon was going to be the weak link. I sure didn't, but he is.
In the summer Souray and Moreau were a waste of money since gritty players were a dime a dozen. I don't think anyone wants to lose more grittiness on this team.
I read milli's post just now where he was sad about Stoll and reasoner being gone. Stoll? Reasoner? I liked those guys and I actually agree with a lot that Milli says here, but I did not imagine I would read that this year.
The kids were untouchable in the off season. The future of the franchise. The sun rises and sets on Gagner's sweet little ol' cheek. Everyone was saying that he should be on the first line. If anyone had suggested trading any of the kids in the off season they would have been linched. Now all of them are a liability.
Penner is getting a point a game the last month (what!?!)
Cole was the guy with hands that was supposed to convert Hemsky and Gagners sweet passes. He was the man with a will to get to the net and score a goal. Now is a third line plugger...
And Horcoff. Mighty Horcoff who last year was on pace for thirty goals and seemed to see the ice as well as Hemsky (there is a reason he went to the all star game). Where did he go?
Please tell me this is just a really bad joke on Oilers fans. It's seems to be too funny to be anything else.
Each Summer the Oil acquire someone who is capable of thirty goals to play with Hemsky and every year we are dissappointed.
2008 - Cole (tried for Hossa) 2007 - Penner (tried for Vanek) 2006 - Lupul (although at this time we had Smyth) 2005 - Peca (I never did get that one, but it was the intent to have him on line #1). 2004 - summer before lockout
Will it ever end? Or will the stars align and we will hear a mighty roar from Rexall, like that of a great engine starting, and then then kids start scoring and gaolies start stopping and the PK starts killing and the world will be as it should be.
Let it be so...
Wanye Gretz wrote:
The most shocking stat I have ever read: The franchise record for worst home ice goal differential in a loss is a three way tie - with the Oil losing by seven goals on home ice three seperate times in 1992, 1995 and 2008. All three losses come at the hands of the Blackhawks. *second shotgun blast*
That is crazy. I wonder what the stats say about the game after the 7 goal loss at the hands of the Hawks...
I just wish that they would have shown some piss & vinegar in the third period. You are getting $hit-Kicked & all they did was curl up in the fetal position like a bear was mauling them.
@ Cam:
This post basically sums up the entire season so far. I would say well done but it's so depressing I'm going to go find that gun Wanye has.
December 17 2008, 12:32PM
@ BUCK75: Nov 27, 1992 Hawks win 8-1...next night OIlers win 4-3 in OT over Tampa Bay ( Home game)
Feb 01, 1995 Hawks win 7-0.. Two nights later Oilers win 5-3 over Leafs (Home game)
We will see if history repeats itself
All I have to say is ... I'm glad this isn't a home and home series with the Hawks ... it might have been back to back slaughters for the Cooper and Blue ... LMAO
December 17 2008, 12:53PM
The Oilers have lost back-to-back games twice this season, but generally speaking they have done all right playing 2 nights in a row. All signs suggest they should be able to turn this into some motivation for tonight.
December 17 2008, 12:54PM
If last night did not wake this team up i dont think anything can.Is it possible that when Gagne & Nilsson were out and Schremp, Brule were up that the rest of the team felt they better step it up because if they dont these two guys would take their spot and now that they are sent back down they are feeling a little less pressure.Maybe took a bit off their game? i know they are pros but beatings like that just dont happen for no reason.
After you are done with the gun can you arrange for someone to bring it by here... that is after they clean up the mess...
BUCK75 wrote:
I wonder what the stats say about the game after the 7 goal loss at the hands of the Hawks…
Ahh the wonder of the internet...
11/27/92 lost 8-1 to Blackhawks. The next night they beat the Tampa Bay Lightning 4-3, they went 4-5 in the next 9. 2/1/95 they lost 7-0 to the Hawks. The next game they beat the Leafs 5-3, then went 4-3-2 in the next 10. Hopefuly the record turns here, history doesn't say it will though.
@ Jason Gregor:
Thanks Gregor - I should have just waited instead of taking the half hour of googling the answer...
December 17 2008, 01:10PM
Sweet jesus that was terrible. As a fan I don't even know where to start anymore. The coaching is subpar, the roster is a mix of groups of highly similar players (overpaid 3rd liners and 3rd pairing d-men, small offensive forwards, expensive offensive d-men, average-below average goalies) and no one the team would actually consider trading has value. Ugh. I think I might turn the TV off and utrn it back on at the draft when the Oil have another top 10 pick. Good times.
J&J wrote:
Is it possible that when Gagne & Nilsson were out and Schremp, Brule were up that the rest of the team felt they better step it up because if they dont these two guys would take their spot and now that they are sent back down they are feeling a little less pressure.
There is no doubt that the best hockey this yeam has played is when Schremp was here. This is not because Schremp was a superstar out there making everyone look good, I feel it's the exact reason J&J mentioned - the players saw that someone was brought in who can legitimately take their spot. I recall a few of my rants on here when Reddox and Sestito were recalled about exactly that. Who cares if those two get called up, neither will take a top 6 roster spot!
With 3 goalies on the roster this is no room to make adjustments from game to game. After the $#!t show last night, what message can you send? That's right, ice the exact same team the very next night. My god, why hasn't K-Lo reassigned Gagner to the minors and send a message that this isn't a joke and floating won't be tolerated? Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort.
Those two are the biggest culprits as to what is wrong with the Oilers this season and yet MacT keeps rewarding them with ample ice time and high praise.
December 17 2008, 01:42PM
Gord wrote:
Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort. Those two are the biggest culprits as to what is wrong with the Oilers this season and yet MacT keeps rewarding them with ample ice time and high praise.
How about this team figure out some accountability for the high foreheads who decided to PAY Horcoff that amount of money. "The Canadian Dollar is above par, we're sold out, oil a billion dollars a barrel....oh and Horc is pretty good....let's roll out the dough".
No. The same guy who brought you Cole, Oates, Dopita, the dead Russian draft guy, Pouliot not Parise... THAT is who needs to be accountable.
Sadly, he has a great nickname, is buddies (apparently on Gregor's speed dial!?!?) with all the media, AND was good ole #4.
December 17 2008, 01:51PM
Gord wrote:
Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort.You have got to be kidding right? Waive Shaun Horcoff? Come on dude. Let's be serious.
@ Zamboni Driver: Firing Lowe can not fix the lack of effort on the ice right now. According to the direction management has taken with MacT, there is little else but the following to assume: Option 1 is the coach needs to address the players who are pulling this team down. And I'm not talking about benching Brodziak and calling him out again... Option 2 is trade some players to hammer the message that piss poor performances are not to be tolerated Option 3 is fire MacT since the players have obviously tuned him out after countless efforts to get their attention.
December 17 2008, 01:55PM
@ Gord: Although i do agree with what you said about Schremp! The problem is first you cant send Gagner to the minors he has to go to back to the OHL if i am not mistaken (someone please correct me if i am) which i dont think should happen but i do think he needs to spend some time in the press box. maybe its not a lack of effort maybe it is simply he is not seeing the game like he should be.maybe he has way to much pressure for a 19 year old kid to handle!i think we absolutly need to open up a roster spot and bring Schremp or Brule back up, not because they are superstars or because i think Schrempy is the next coming but because it gives the young guys on this team a little more motivation and maybe some well neede time eating popcorn and watching how the game is being played
I give up, I have stated on here what I think is wrong with the Oil and now I really dont care anymore. The only thing different last night from ALL the other games this year is that the goalie did not bail them out by making the big save. The Oilers suck, and until they realize that the only people that can do anything about it is the 20 guys in the locker room, they will continue to suck. Heres hoping they take some pride, use the humiliation they endured last night as fuel, go to vancouver and play with some kind of effort that indicates that someone in the dressing room actually gives a rats ass about winning a few hockey games. Prediction: Oilers miss the playoffs, and I have been an oilers fan for close to 20 years.
December 17 2008, 03:03PM
Gord wrote:
Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a big mistake based on his recent effort.
Two points:
1) Horcoff's extension was 5.5-million per season, and it doesn't kick in until next year. This season, he's earning 3.6-million; and that's a bargain contract when you look at what Cole and Penner are making. Whatever people's opinion of Horcoff's extension, please realize that he's a) a bargain this year and b) use the right cap figure.
2) Waive Horcoff? Guy goes 59% on the night at faceoffs, scores a goal, and finishes -1 in a 9-2 loss, and he's the problem? Really? How does that even make sense? He threw a hit and led the team in shots on goal as well. Clearly, Horcoff is the problem. Not Erik Cole, not the invisible second line, and not the checkers who can't check or the goalies who can't make saves. It was a bad loss, but on a team with 15 or so scapegoats, why pick on a guy who was OK?
December 17 2008, 03:05PM
Gord wrote:
Waive Horc and send him a message that we think extending his contract at $7m/year was a <big mistake based on his recent effort.
Fun side note - Horcoff has 11 points in the last 9 games. What a loser! Why doesn't he even try? A real first line centre would have at least 12 points!
December 17 2008, 03:10PM
And while we're at it, an open question to everyone - which of these four players would you most want on your roster next season (keeping cap hit in mind):
a) Dustin Penner - 4.25M b) Shawn Horcoff - 5.5M c) Ethan Moreau - 2.0M d) Steve Staios - 2.7M
My persoanl answer is B, each and every time. Yes, the contract is steep, but it isn't ridiculous (yet - if the salary cap drops that could very well change), especially compared to other contracts on this team.
December 17 2008, 03:32PM
Jonathan Willis wrote:
And while we're at it, an open question to everyone - which of these four players would you most want on your roster next season (keeping cap hit in mind): a) Dustin Penner - 4.25M b) Shawn Horcoff - 5.5M c) Ethan Moreau - 2.0M d) Steve Staios - 2.7M My persoanl answer is B, each and every time. Yes, the contract is steep, but it isn't ridiculous (yet - if the salary cap drops that could very well change), especially compared to other contracts on this team.
I would say 'B' too....Devil's Advocate says though....
Which of those four, at those prices could you possibly move, especially at this salary cap. WHEN (not IF) the cap drops, there's going to be trouble. Yes, every team has bad contracts....but this team seems to have a disproportionate amount.
December 17 2008, 03:40PM
@ Zamboni Driver:
I bet the Rangers would swap Drury/Gomez for Horcoff right now :)
@ Jonathan Willis: Last year prior to injury he was excellent. Putting up points with Hemsky and Penner the last couple weeks is automatic and any other Oiler could produce at the same rate given the same opportunities. Since coming back from his shoulder injury Horcoff has been horrible and is far from the same player he was last season. Don't let the stats blind you JW.
After Horc's new contract kicks in, he makes $7M next season, $6.5M for the next 2 seasons and $6M for the final year - that averages out to a $6.5M cap hit by my math, but if I am wrong please explain why.
@ everyone except Jonathan
Horcoff is about a 0.9 PPG player. That usually nets you 5.5 M all by it's lonesome. Factor in that he is a pretty good shutdown guy, good on faceoffs, a team leader, and he blocks shots with his face.
He sounds liek a bargain to me. The first line is the only good one - leave them alone.
Let's put the blame where it deserves to be - lines 2, 3, and 4. They blow. One line cannot win you a division.
I could be wrong, but I think the cap hit is determined including this year of his contract since what he signed was an extension on the existing.


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By PATSY STODDARDEditor
With the BLMs ongoing revamping of the resource management plan for the San Rafael Swell and the Price District it pays to keep up to date on the issues that are facing the county and learn more about the laws governing our area. At a recent Emery County Public Lands Council meeting, Dennis Worwood, chairman of the lands council talked about the Federal Land Policy Management Act and some of its highlights. He has taken selections from FLPMA and then discussed them in an easier to understand way. Worwood said, "We could spend days and days talking about FLPMA. My intent was to highlight sections that are commonly misunderstood, or that were pertinent to some of Emery County's concerns. Listed below are the FLPMA quotes, followed by my comments," said Worwood.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...the public lands be retained in federal ownership, unless ... it is determined that disposal of a particular parcel will serve the national interest.
Worwood's comment: Prior to FLPMA, the BLM had been in the business of managing federal land until the government could get rid of it. FLPMA changed that policy and said that the government was going to retain the land, except for those instances when disposing of a piece of land was in the national interest.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...the national interest will be best realized if the public lands and their resources are periodically and systematically inventoried and their present and future use is projected through a land use planning process coordinated with other Federal and State planning efforts.
Worwood's comment: This policy sets the stage for periodic inventories and development of management plans.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...the Congress exercise its constitutional authority to withdraw or otherwise designate or dedicate Federal lands for specified purposes.
Worwood's comment: This is significant because it states that Congress intends to use special designations on BLM land, as a matter of policy. Lands that are "withdrawn", "designated" or "dedicated" to a specific purpose are not managed for multiple use. Hence, FLPMA identifies two types of BLM lands: Those that will be managed under FLPMA for multiple use, and those that will receive some type of special designation. Many rural Utahns believe that FLPMA only dictates multiple use, and that the government is somehow going against FLPMA when they propose wilderness or other designations. This is simply not the case. For years rural Utahns have been telling Congress that we don't need wilderness, and that we can provide all the protection we need under FLPMA. Unfortunately, when FLPMA was being debated in 1976 Congress decided FLPMA alone did not provide all needed protection, and made it clear that some lands would be set aside for this purpose. The present debate is not about whether special designations are needed, but about how much land should be set aside, and where. Had the counties understood this earlier, they might have pushed a proposal through Congress before SUWA gained so many followers.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...the secretary be required to establish comprehensive rules and regulations after considering the views of the general public; and to structure adjudication procedures to assure adequate third party participation, objective administrative review of initial decisions, and expeditious decision making.
Worwood's comment: This states that the BLM needs to involve the public in its decision making.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...management be on the basis of multiple use and sustained yield unless otherwise specified by law.
Worwood's comment: If the statement simply said that "...management be on the basis of multiple use and sustained yield", then FLPMA would be a multiple use law. What FLPMA actually says is that management will be under multiple use, unless some law (such as a wilderness bill or monument proclamation) says otherwise.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...the public lands be managed in a manner that will protect the quality of scientific, scenic, historical, ecological, environmental, air and atmospheric, water resource, and archeological values; that, where appropriate, will preserve and protect certain public lands in their natural condition; that will provide food and habitat for fish and wildlife and domestic animals; and that will provide for outdoor recreation and human occupancy and use.
Worwood's comment: This makes it clear that the BLM is to manage for a variety of resources, and that some lands are to be protected in their "natural" condition.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...regulations and plans for the protection of public land areas of critical environmental concern be promptly developed.
Worwood's comment: This states that the BLM is to identify and protect ACECs, and to do it "promptly".
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...the public lands be managed in a manner which recognizes the nation's need for domestic sources of minerals, food, timber, and fiber from the public lands including implementation of the Mining and Minerals Policy Act of 1970 (84 Stat.1876, 30 U.S.C. 21a) as it pertains to the public lands.
Worwood's comment: The BLM has the obligation to provide reasonable access to minerals, forage and other resources, and not merely to preserve land. The BLM is involved in a balancing act between resource development and preservation.
The Congress declares that it is the policy of the United States that - ...the federal government should, on a basis equitable to both the federal and local taxpayer, provide for payments to compensate states and local governments for burdens created as a result of the immunity of federal lands from state and local taxation.
Worwood's comment: This refers to Payment in Lieu of Taxes, which is the government's way of compensating the state and county for property tax revenue which is not collected on Federal land.
Definition: The term ''areas of critical environmental concern" means areas within the public lands where special management attention is required (when such areas are developed or used or where no development is required) to protect and prevent irreparable damage to important historic, cultural, or scenic values, fish and wildlife resources or other natural systems or processes, or to protect life and safety from natural hazards.
Worwood's comment: ACECs can be used by the BLM to provide special protection to certain areas, for the above-listed purposes. The BLM does not need to go to congress to have an area declared an ACEC.
Definition: The term ''multiple use" means the management of the public lands and their various resource values so that they are utilized in the combination that will best meet the present and future needs of the American people; making the most judicious use of the land for some or all of these resources or related services over areas large enough to provide sufficient latitude for periodic adjustments in use to conform to changing needs and conditions; the use of some land for less than all of the resources; a combination of balanced and diverse resource uses that takes into account the long-term needs of future generations for renewable and nonrenewable resources, including, but not limited to, recreation, range, timber, minerals, watershed, wildlife and fish, and natural scenic, scientific and historical values; and harmonious and coordinated management of the various resources without permanent impairment of the productivity of the land and the quality of the environment with consideration being given to the relative values of the resources and not necessarily to the combination of uses that will give the greatest economic return or the greatest unit output.
Worwood's comment: This definition makes it clear that the BLM is to manage for a broad spectrum of uses, but that multiple use does not mean every use will be allowed on every acre. If the entire landscape is considered, the BLM will probably find a place for most uses and activities. However, there will be some areas where activities will be restricted. This is still multiple use management under the definition.
In next week's issue of the Emery County Progress this article will continue with definitions and clarifications on FLPMA and the BLM's fulfilling of the requirements required within that document.


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In The Tirranna picnic race meeting Lambert presented a then ideal aspect of Australian life, depicting the elegant, wealthy pastoralist class in their rolling sheep country around Canberra, enjoying horse-riding and country racing. The scene is evocative of mood and incident: an army band plays music; women promenade in their best dresses, large hats and parasols; men in grey suits and hats adopt poses or chat with the women, while jockeys prepare their horses. Each element of the painting contributes to the overall sensation of movement and animation, from the gathering clouds to the informal arrangement of figures and horses.
Lambert visited Michelago, south of Canberra, in 1922, during which time he attended the Tirranna picnic race meeting back north, about six miles out of Goulburn. It was a significant annual social event at the time, located on the Tirranna property. It had been established in 1855 by men from local pastoral families. Amongst the prominent figures in the picture were Mr Walter N. Gunn, for very many years honorary secretary of the race meeting, and Mr Campbell Gibson, the owner of Tirranna in the 1920s (Grimwade file).
Russell Grimwade, to whom Lambert lent this – unfinished – painting, wrote to Lambert on 6 November 1929 expressing his enthusiasm about it: 'Glorious Tirranna is hanging safely on our wall and although not … lit artificially seems to have an accession of colour & vivacity over our last view of it. It becomes our room, pleases us both immensely, gives us pride to possess it, fascinates our friends and glorifies its creator – what more could it do? Do come and finish it soon' (ML MSS 97/3, pp.131–2).
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guys check this out , found this , this is very funny and funny
ewww, don't watch it online D:
There's been a sub of the episode 1 early airing out for a while now, just search on tokyotosho for it.
I thought it was pretty funny, the protagonist in the crab stance thrusing his hips back and forth had me laughing.
'tis another light hearted and lewd anime for me to download each week :3
i like the anime , but the manga will be better. i have to search for it.
The manga was just recently out in ultra jump. The anime is better so far, but that's just because there was more content in the anime. It is an adaptation from a novel, so the manga isn't the original source but even though both anime and manga are being made almost parallel to each other, they have differences among them.
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Oh, God and I thought I'm finished with anime for now... Ah, well "It's show time" xD.
So what that you can see the dark inside of me?
"All our light that shines strong only lasts for so long"
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The museum complex was started in 1977 when the Frederick Rotary Club and Tillman County Historical Society teamed up to save and move the Horse Creek School.
The Oklahoma Historical Society became involved in 1996 with renovations to the Frisco Depot and installation of exhibits. The site was then named Pioneer Heritage Townsite Center. Additional land and structures have expanded the museum complex, which represents plains and southwest Oklahoma agriculture in the 1920s era.
Life with no running water and electricity, shopping at the general store, attending a one-room school, and the back-breaking labor of farming are remembered by older generations and introduced historically to the younger generations at the Pioneer Heritage Townsite Center.
The General Store was constructed on the Townsite in the spring of 2000. It is the first stop of visitors to Pioneer Heritage Townsite Center. It houses the museum gift shop, mercantile and goods needed during the early years, an original Tillman County post office, and information about sites to visit in Tillman County and important visitor information.
Horse Creek Schoolhouse was built in 1902 in northeastern Tillman County. It was a school house and served as the North Deep Red Baptist Church until the 1960s. The building has been restored and is now used to teach children about school in a one-room facility. The building was moved to Pioneer Park in 1977 and served as a museum until 2000.
The Nill House structure was originally a corn crib, built from lumber milled on the Nill family farm. It was brought to this area by the Nill family in 1906. The family shipped the house by rail from Ohio to Oklahoma Territory. It was reassembled as a house near Quanah, O.T. (southeast of Frederick) and the family of seven lived there for about six months until a new two-story home was built. The house was donated by N.C. Nill and moved to the current site in 1983.
The house was constructed on site in 1924. It was purchased by the Tillman County Historical Society in 1996. It has been renovated to represent a county farm house of the 1920s.
The Tillman County Historical Museum building was constructed in the spring of 2000. The museum houses exhibits which interpret life in a southwest Oklahoma community during territorial period, the World Wars, and the Depression era.
The St. Paul (AME) Church was built in 1924. It was originally located at 722 West Aster, Frederick, Oklahoma. The church was moved to the current site in 1999 and restored. The pews, choir benches and pulpit are all original.
The Frisco Depot was scheduled for demolition when members of the Tillman County Historical Society and staff of the Tulsa office of the Frisco Railroad worked out a deal to save it. The depot was moved to the Townsite in May 1985 in three separate pieces. The building houses the "What's Coming, What's Going" exhibit. This exhibit shows how agricultural products were shipped out, and building and household supplies were shipped in by rail. Some of the original furniture is still in place, as is graffiti from early workmen and travelers of Frederick. Three passenger trains stopped daily. Military personnel and civilians used this mode of transportation regularly before the automobile became popular.
The barn was erected in 1983 through the efforts of the Tillman County Historical Society. It was originally built as an extension of the school house museum. The building has been moved and renovated to represent a functioning barn. Also in the barn is the Abernathy boys exhibit.
The implement shed houses some of the largest pieces in the Townsite collection. Included are tractors, harrows, plows, grain separators, and other pieces of early farm machinery from the late 1800s to the 1950s.


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The things we ask of officers
The death of Maricopa County Sheriff's Deputy William Coleman is a simple, heartbreaking example of the things we ask law enforcement officers to do.
We ask them to respond to middle-of-the-night reports of burglar alarms, as deputies did at medical facility near Anthem.
We ask them to be on the lookout for suspicious individuals or vehicles, as when Coleman and the deputies spotted a minivan sitting in a nearby parking lot.
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We ask them to take on a crazed man with an assault rifle who comes up firing.
We ask them to risk their lives for us.
And they do.
And sometimes that is the sacrifice they make.
We might remember this the next time some politician or think tank lawyer suggests that police are ripping off taxpayers by way of their pension benefits or union activities.
We might remember this whenever some ridiculous egregious example of a high-powered double-dipper is held up as the norm rather than the exception, because the "norm," when it comes to first responders, would be a lot more like Deputy Coleman.
We ask a lot of them.
A little respect, a little understanding – and the benefit of the doubt – is not too much to give in return.
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This post may be better suited to a blog, I think, but I've given up on blogging... so it can be a discussion here instead ;D
I'm quite old now, or at least – at the ripe old age of 23 – I'm starting to feel old. I'm sure there are some 50-odd year olds reading this right now, scoffing at the notion of a whipper-snapper like myself feeling old. To you I say this: squint more, as there is no font size big enough for your addled eyes, and please bear with me.
I used to mock my parents for being so dismissive of the music I listened to when I was at school. Their attitude was one of unrelenting cynicism, often forgoing any actual consideration of the artistry involved in favour of a "things were much better in my day" stance on… well… pretty much everything I ever happened to put on. It wasn't rare at all for my mother to protest albums such as OK Computer (Radiohead) and With Teeth (Nine Inch Nails) by drowning them out with the horrors of Chris Rea and Chris De Burgh (sometimes both at the same time). I used to think it was about the music, that she genuinely believed music was "better" in the 50s than it is now, and I even went so far as to consider that she may be right. Obviously I came to the conclusion that she wasn't. Any true lover of music would hardly claim that music has become worse over time; even if manufactured pop is the flavour of the times, a bi-product of corporate-controlled artistry, there is still a wealth of truly revolutionary and inspiring music out there for people to discover. With that in mind, I never understood why my mother seemingly hated modern music with such passion, and it has always thoroughly confused me…
My generation happened to get a good deal compared to a lot of others. Where my mother's generation had to struggle with getting their heads around things like transistor radios, basic sewage systems and abaci, we were the first generation to grow up with computers as personal accessories. We were the baby boomers of the home computer, and by extension the baby boomers of gaming. As if the deal wasn't sweet enough, some fellow called Al Gore invented the Internet (Tim Burners-who?!). Suddenly the gaming world was connected in a way it had never been before, and being part of a guild or clan quickly become – for many of us – not just a thing we COULD do, but a thing we HAD to do. It was a necessary part of gaming in the 21st-and-a-half century.
For the last decade or so, a fair portion of my time has been spent trying to find a guild or clan on a per game basis. Over that time I've had the pleasure (and, sadly, the displeasure) of being part of a whole variety of different guilds and clans, with different social structures and ambitions: from hardcore to casual, PvP to raiding, friendly to… well… not so friendly. I've experienced perhaps the entire spectrum that gaming communities have to offer, and I've had more than enough chance to refine down a very specific set of criteria that the gaming community I'm looking for right now has to fill.
Any community that doesn't conform to those expectations is summarily dismissed.
And so I now realise that my mother's reason for disliking my music was quite simple: after many years on this earth, many experiences, she has refined music down to a very specific set of criteria that she likes, and anything that comes outside of that is summarily dismissed. After all, you can't teach an old… no… I'll stop there.
And so, with my specific criteria in hand and an ever-increasing cynicism to things that don't conform to my now-dated world view, the act of finding a community to fit into, to enjoy, becomes increasingly more stressful and time consuming the more time goes on.
Any pointers? Perhaps people could suggest some excellent communities they have been a part of over the years, or maybe detail what they look for in a guild or clan? ;D
Join a group that does the same things you like doing.
Finding a community isn't stressful or time consuming. Do research.
Originally posted by Khaeros
Join a group that does the same things you like doing. Finding a community isn't stressful or time consuming. Do research.
By resonable defination "research" IS time consuming. The amount of stress one experiances during "research" is entirely in their control.
I, personally, am not a fan of guilds. I find them to be "clique-y". I didn't join any such groups during school, where they are extensive and prevelant.
I completely understand wanting a group that was regulary ready to raid at X time.....But....I played City of Heros/VIllians for years and the Hamidon Raid happened twice a week at a set time for each side. *ducks behind hay cart to hide from ensuing mob* These were PUGed. Yes there was stratagy, it was went through via chat before each run.
I could expound more, but I will leave it at this: I think guilds can be potentialy damaging to server-wide community. Leaving many new players feeling as though they are on the "outside".
Well I am 67 years old and I have found that finding the right guild has gotten harder and harder.
When I first started playing MMOs in EQ 1 after about one month I was invited to join a guild. I was really excited. I thought that now I would always have a group to play with and you needed a group in EQ 1. Everything went great for a while. I progressed well and we did runny eye, killed the giants, and had a blast in splitpaw with the gnolls that lived there then.
After about 2 months or so people started to disappear and the guild fell apart. During my time in Anarchy Online I was invited to join a guild there. Same thing happened, over time the guild fell apart,
Anyway moved to SWG got into a guild and found that this guild's chat was very ,shall we say, "gutter mouthed".
It seemed that everyone was always bragging about how long thier penis was and how many girls they had sex with.
In other MMO's that I played I noticed this trend getting worse, I am not a prude but having spent 3 years in the army and having lived in a barracks I had thought I had heard it all. But believe me some of the guild chat I heard would have made a drill sargent blush.
In EVE i got kicked out of a guild because I refused to be available 24/7 in case of a fleet action. But thats is fine thier rules thier guild.
What I am trying to say is finding a good guild is getting harder. Having no friends that play online games I can't really depend on that.
I am not playing any MMOs at the moment because I cannot find a guild that isn't either run by immature people that cant say a sentence without the F word or worse, or will not let you in because you have never completed a certain dungeon before.
I finished Jr. High School over 40 years ago. I have no desire to go back.
I like guilds with rules. Rules for advancement. Rules for code of conduct. Rules for joining. Rules for what you can and can't say in public chat channels.
These rules have a tendency to weed out the more anti-social players. (And if they do slip through they don't last long)
These rules have a tendency for not allowing a guild member to be kicked out because the guild leader was being a duche that particular day.
If you like off color jokes, talking trash in vent and in local and trade channels, then a guild like this would not be good for you. You should look for a guild that says it's an Adult or mature guild that like to have fun.
A guild that doesn't mind dirty jokes or trash talking could be fun as well. As long as everyone is cool about it and are truely mature enough to know when to say when.
I have a group of 8ish friends that range from casual to completely hardcore phases (we were all in various world first guilds for multiple games, and have all be in super casual guilds) but we all try to get in the same guild, or at least the same server.
Guild politics has been wearing us all down recently mostly due to the fact that most games recently have been removing the need for a guild. Honstly what we need is a game to come around where guilds matter again. The trending of MMOs towards smaller groups is great for casual players, but I like many others miss the days of large raids be it wow's 40 mans, or EQs 72 man encounters. Till those come back, the need to be in a guild becomes less and less every game.
Hi I am posting here cause a mod closed my thread saying THIS thread was similar and posted on the same day. Had a good discussion going on with very many long posts but I guess the topic I made wasn't worthy enough to differ from this one.
So I will post what I said on this thread as follows:
I've always been a loner in games. I don't know if it's me or if I just don't have friends who play games. But so many games these days require the use of community (clans, guilds, etc) and it's hard for me to enjoy any type of MMO cause I am always that person who wants to rely on myself rather than a group.
Is anyone else here in the same boat as me? It's a little depressing because I love games but just cannot ever seem to make friends. I feel like I am a normal guy you know, I live with my girlfriend and have a few friends but the online aspect is something I can't seem to grip.
I guess I'll follow up with some questions:
1) do you have friends that play with you?
2) how do you make friends online?
3) do you have to reach out to people or just develop relationships over time?
if anyone cares to read the comments on the other thread here is the link: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/366903/I-am-a-loner-gamer-and-have-a-hard-time-findingconnecting-with-guilds.html
No offense, but in the time you took to type up that OP, you could have been at least applying to a good gaming community that meets your age group and interests.
Use Google, official game forums, unofficial game forums, and Vent/TS/Mumble/whatever you hipsters use to voice communicate these days. With your list of requirements in hand, compare them with each community to see if you find one that's a good fit. Then hop on that vent and start asking questions about the community. Get to know the players. If something creeps you out or their leader sounds like an antisocial neckbeard, you can bounce and go to the next one without any harm done.
@Four0Six - Hold up a second there. Are you talking about server-wide community? Let's clarify that. What do you know about your server-wide community? Is it the chatter in a global chat channel that defines the 'community' for you? Do you browse through guild drama and call that the community? Or are you actively participating in a community that unites guilds across the server and hosts events for everyone (which go from PvE to PvP and far beyond)? Because if you're using anything but the latter to define the 'server-wide community', you really have no idea what you're talking about.
Want to do something for your server-wide community besides just talking about how it might get damaged by other guilds? That's one thing. But there's no reason to complain about it being damaged when you have no stake in it anyway, and you're doing nothing except complaining about guilds on MMORPG.com.
Originally posted by Khaeros
No offense, but in the time you took to type up that OP, you could have been at least applying to a good gaming community that meets your age group and interests.
It took me about 10 minutes to type up that OP, and I enjoyed every minute of it.
So... no offense, but your point is moot.
I am well aware how to look for a guild. I clearly state in the OP that I've done it many times in the past. The OP isn't about not being able to understand or work through the processes involved in finding a guild, but about how it's becoming increasingly difficult to find a guild that matches my criteria.
I fail to see how any of the points made in this thread warrant you coming in here with your patronising lectures. Certainly you've got the process of finding a guild well outlined, but there was never any allusions to the idea that I don't know how to find a guild.
I can only presume that you failed to comprehend the point I was making.
Also, your point about "server wide communities" is specious at best, and also somewhat hypocritical. You say that his definition of a server wide community is wrong, and that unless he's participating in what you define as a server wide community he has no idea what he's talking about. Do you see the fubar in your point there? What he defines as a server wide community and what you define as server wide community are both valid, as they are both components of the overall server wide community. Neither of those segments are any more or less of the community than the other, however.
And his points about guilds being potentially damaging to server wide communities - regardless of how you define those communities - is perfectly valid. Just because you do not "have a stake" in something does not mean you aren't in a position to make reasonable criticisms and observations.
If you want something specific it is pretty easy and pretty fast. Want to focus on pvp, then look at the top dog pvp guilds and push to get in. May take time, but you know what you are aiming for so the path to that is easy.
If though your main concern is a stable, longer term social group with people who share common interests and similar gaming activities. Well there is no set, or easy method. All you can do is get talking to the people you like and completely forget about joining a guild. As you build up a rapport over time (this is the key, it takes time), you will just naturally transition into a guild which happens to contain the people you spend the most time with/get along with the most.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Well first off, I'm older than most players in MMORPG's, so I generally favor guilds that cater to the more "mature" player. That usually means more family oriented in their approach, firm believers in real life taking priority over gaming, and I find the average age to typically be 25-40. (with a few outliers like myself).
I'm not interested in being an all all geriatric guild (hey, I listen to alternative rock, not music from the 70's) and I don't fare well when everyone consists of young college students. (I just don't relate well to their interests)
I don't care for guild/game drama, griefing other players for sport or pleasure, and unnecessary profanity in voice chats is well, unnecessary. (when done to excess)
Oh, and this last one is important, they must play the MMO's that I enjoy playing. The reason I haven't stuck with one guild over the years is in general most guilds can only support a handful of MMORPG's (naturally) and I find myself wanting to go off and play something else.
I found a great gaming guild earlier this spring, however they don't play EVE so I am currently unaffiliated with them. However, they do have chapters in GW2, EQ2, TSW and some others, so if I decide to return/play one of those titles I'll be back to rejoin them.
Unfortunately, they're more PVE raiders (and they love FPSer's) and not too much into MMO PVP games/servers so I probably will have to find yet another new clan when I decide to play DF:UW here in the near future. (Because I don't see my current EVE Corp heading over there either)
So as you can see, I have quite a few specific criteria, and while it makes it a bit of challenge to find a compatible group, I find if I am persistant, patient and willing to do my research I've been able to find like minded players in most of my MMO's.
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In our E3 preview, Garrett Fuller learns about Squig Herders, Chaos divinities, combat and more. Mythic showed off their new game in the West Hall and despite being only eight months old, Garrett also had some time to play it. Here is his preview:
|Warhammer Online has only been in full scale development for eight months, but the excitement surrounding the game cannot be ignored. The people at Mythic showed us some of the combat system, quest, PvP elements and much more.
Much of what Mythic had to say was covered in our pre-E3 hands-on preview, but during our demo with the team, we caught a glimpse of a more focused scenario.
Warhammer is a dark world with grim storylines, but most of all it does not take itself seriously and adds great humor to the game. With a strong IP on their hands, Mythic has the chance to create an MMO that will capture the brutal silliness of the tabletop game.
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HI All.
If I can answer any questions, I'll try my best, post them here.
We certainly didn't see them, but there were a lot of doors...
One consideration here is that a lot of people for a lot of games were using XBOX 360 controllers plugged into PCs. Age of Conan, for example, did this as well. So, the controller does not mean that they're at the console level.
Originally posted by iduums
Sounds excellent! I wonder if they saw the person playing on the xbox360 at all.
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Warhammer as a PnP game was great, and I was looking forward to it when a prior company was developing it. but i guess they fell under and Mythic picked it up.. from what i've read so far. And Mythic is pretty solid for developement. their DAoC was built around the gamemaster pnp game system and i personally didn't experience any technical problems other than the paperdoll in the inventory screen not showing up when i used an ATI Radeon card.
But nevertheless, This should be a really nice game.
I do not understand in what way Warhammer, in either the tabletop miniatures game or the pen-and-paper roleplaying game, does not take itself seriously. Surely, there is a good deal of humour woven into the Orcs, but other than this it takes itself more seriously than EverQuest, and a hell of a lot more seriously than World of WarCraft.
My concern with Warhammer Online remains the same. I think that it is going in the wrong art direction for the Warhammer setting and I fear that it will not take itself seriously enough, making a parody out of Warhammer and giving the impression that it is some sort of satire on it, like Steve Jackson's Munchkin was of Dungeons & Dragons. The more Paul Barnett says about Warhammer Online, the more I want to... to... flick his ear and call his mother a lizard.
Originally posted by Mannfreid
only tzeench, i'm pissed... very mad.... i want my Nurgle!
I rather expected it, for some reason. Actually, haven't they said this before?
By the way, does anyone know what happened to Mark Jacobs? Is he still on Dark Age of Camelot or otherwise still with Mythic in some way?
Awesome preview.
Looks like Greenskins all the way for me. It was a toss up between Orcs and Chaos, but no doubt now. I can not wait to see this game!
Mark Jacobs is Lead Design on WAR. He frequently visites the "Warhammer Alliance" forums to answer fan questions and keep people up to date.
Originally posted by Saerain
By the way, does anyone know what happened to Mark Jacobs? Is he still on Dark Age of Camelot or otherwise still with Mythic in some way?
I'm a long time Warhammer player, and GW employee.
I cant wait for this game, if they do Warhamemr any justice at all it will be a game that over shadows all other mmo's.
The whole-what-you-see-is-what-you-get is really exciting me. If i come up to an 8 foot tall orc with a 'uge choppa, im going to know that he can probably cut me in half with one swing.
Great article, hopfully a great game.
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Originally posted by Silhouette83
I've now followed this game for so long, from when it looked like what Warhammer: Mark of Chaos looks like now, to it then shifting to a more MMO version of the game Climax started, then to its death by that company and then to it being finaly by Mythic, At the time it was quoted as "No game has been canned and returned" however, as we know this game is the first to do this.
Hmm. No, I would say that Hero's Journey and Middle-earth Online did rather the same thing. In fact, Middle-earth Online did exactly the same thing.
Also, do you not think that Mark of Chaos looks more artistically Warhammer? I do not ask this do be a smart ass, mind you; I am genuinely curious.
Mark Jacobs is Lead Design on WAR. He frequently visites the "Warhammer Alliance" forums to answer fan questions and keep people up to date.
Originally posted by Gutrunner
Originally posted by Saerain
By the way, does anyone know what happened to Mark Jacobs? Is he still on Dark Age of Camelot or otherwise still with Mythic in some way?
Ah, I see. I am not one for fansite forums as much as I used to be, and I had not seen his name anywhere in a while. I am registered at the Warhammer Alliance forums, though, and post there occasionally, so I will take a look at that. Thanks.
Screw both of those Chaos gods, I WANT KHORNE.
Personally, I was hoping Chaos' class system, since there will be 4 classes, 1 class would tie directly into a chaos god. Whereas Migard in DoaC, each class was tied directly to a Norse Mythology god.
Great review.
This game looks like it's going to be DAoC, but with eye candy. DAoC is such an awesome game, it's just ruined by really bad animations.
Also, i'm glad to see they're not taking the game too seriously, the less RP Larpy types the better.
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The Emery County Sheriff's Office is investigating a vandalism incident which occurred at the new bathroom facility on Buckhorn. Commonly known as the pumphouse at the Y intersection is the site for a new bathroom and will be expanded in the future to include informational kiosks and camping spots and a host on specific weekends to give out information. The restroom was completed on Oct. 12 and the incident occurred between then and Oct. 22.
Michael McCandless, county economic development director went out to check on the restroom and found the damage. The plastic hadn't even been removed from the toilets and they hadn't been used yet.
Nine shots had been fired into the building and the doors sustained the most damage. McCandless called the Emery County Sheriff's Office and they began an investigation. Deputy Mike Jorgensen took the reports. Emery County Sheriff LaMar Guymon said a reward for $1,000 is being offered for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the responsible person or persons. Anyone with information can call the Emery County Sheriff's Office at 435-381-2404.
The information center at the pumphouse is a joint effort between Emery County and the Emery County Travel Bureau. Sheriff Guymon said, "It's too bad things like this have to happen. The county has worked for several years to get a restroom facility at this site. It's been needed there for a long time. Then we do get one put in finally and it is vandalized within just a few days. It's really sad that a few people have to ruin things for everyone else. We at the sheriff's office would like to encourage anyone with information to help out so we can prevent these types of vandalism in the future."


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Ashton Goodley turned in another medalist honors performance with an even par 36 in route to helping the Eldorado girls' golf team to a 167-229 win over West Frankfort Wednesday at Franklin County Country Club.
Taylor Goodley fired a two over 38, while Sam Mings shot one of her best scores with a 45. Taylor Aldridge fired a 48 rounding out the four low scores for Eldorado.
"I thought the girls did a great job today and I really liked our thought process on the course," EHS head coach Greg Goodley said. "If we can keep eliminating mental mistakes our scores should keep improving. I'm very happy with our start and scores so far this season."
Eldorado is now 6-1 on the year and will travel to Carterville Monday and will play host to Massac County Tuesday at Saline County Country Club.
Other scores for the Eagles Wednesday included a 56 from Jacqlyn Artman and a 63 from Regan Gray.
The Redbirds were led by a 51 from Ashley Dodd, while Maci Laswell and Brittany Boren each shot a 57. Chloe Jovi added a 64 and Shaylee Mcalla added a 66.
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I reviewed what Andrew Sihler's comparative grammar of Greek and Latin has to say about aspect and the augment, and here's my distillation of it.
Sihler regards the parent language (PIE) as distinguishing eventive verbs and stative verbs. Stative verbs did not have tense and eventually became the Greek perfect. The Greek pluperfect and future perfect are later developments.
As for eventive verbs, Sihler holds there is a distinction between durative (imperfective) verbs and punctual verbs (aorist). According to Sihler, punctual (aorist) verbs did not have tense.
As for durative (imperfective) verbs, Sihler holds that they are distinguished by tense. The default is the imperfect tense, and it has the default so-called "secondary" endings. The primary endings are actually derived from the secondary endings and they mark the durative verb as "non-past." Durative verbs with primary endings then became present-tense verbs.
At some point in Greek, holds Sihler, the augment, derived from some kind of adverb, began to be attached to imperfects and anterior aorists to mark them as past tense. Only the first verb of a narrative sequence needed to be marked for tense (augment) and mood, and it could be followed by augmentless secondary ending verbs. Eventually, the augment takes over the imperfect and aorists, and originally augmentless aorists either acquired the augment or got re-analyzed as historical presents.
So, if I understand Sihler correctly, the original Greek verbal system was primarily aspectual, but there was an unmarked past / marked non-past tense distinction for durative, eventive verbs. Then, the augment was added to mark imperfects and certain aorists for past tense, and then generalized for all aorists. The historical presents in this scheme derive from aorists that were unmarked for time. So tense was indeed marked in Greek verb system according to Sihler, but originally only for imperfective indicatives, where non-past duratives were marked with primarily endings and then, later, past duratives were marked with the augment.


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Emery High School hasn't hosted a veterans program in many years, but this year's student council decided in its first meeting of the school year to do something to honor veterans and raise consciousness among students and faculty about the important role they have played in American freedom.
Student Body President Spencer Fehlberg was instrumental in bringing the program together. In the end, it was a fitting tribute to veterans but also an informative program for Emery High students.
Emery senior and Miss Emery County, Elise DeBry, opened the program with Red Skelton's patriotic reflection of the Pledge of Allegiance. After the audience joined Elise in reciting the Pledge, she sang the fourth verse of the National Anthem. She said that she chose that verse as a special tribute to veterans.
The Emery High band then performed a patriotic number. Emery High Social Science Sterling Scholar Brooke Jensen then introduced Emery High alum Berni Davis as a guest speaker.
Lt. Davis, who graduated from Emery High in 2000, is a member of the US Army Reserve where she serves as a company commander out of Fort Douglas. She is a veteran and served with the NATO peacekeeping force in Bosnia. Currently, Lt. Davis works for the Utah Division of Veteran Services in Salt Lake City.
In her comments to the students, Lt. Davis recalled her enlistment in the Army Reserve at the age of 17 after her junior year at Emery High. That was followed by Boot Camp at Fort Jackson, S.C., college at Southern Utah University where she earned a BS degree in political science, and deployment to Bosnia shortly after 9-11.
After returning from Bosnia, Lt. Davis enrolled at the University of Utah where she earned a MS degree in international studies while working at the Utah Veterans Administration.
She told the students that all of her post-high school education was paid for by the military, and that while she has been in the Army Reserve, she has been stationed in Germany, Italy, and South Korea. "Everything I've done while in the military has been a positive experience," she said, adding that her work with veterans has also been very meaningful.
Another guest speaker and graduate of Emery High School was Jeremy Tannahill, who is with the Utah Air National Guard as a helicopter pilot. He recalled his interest in becoming a "Top Gun" fighter pilot after high school but ended up flying choppers instead. He spent time in Iraq and Afganistan with the Guard.
Tannahill emphasized the importance of freedom and service to one's country. He used a slide presentation of his experiences to enhance his remarks, and he rewarded students answering questions with T-shirts and water bottles.
In closing, Tannahill thanked Todd Jeffs and Neal Peacock for their guidance while he was a student at EHS.
Following the speakers, the Emery High chorus, under the direction of David Bird and the accompaniment of Marilee Cox, presented a musical number that included narratives of appreciation by several members of the chorus. The tribute included remarks by Bird directed toward his father-in-law, Garth Childs, who was in the audience.
Bird thanked Childs for his service to our country and for his leadership in their family even as he is undergoing treatment for cancer.
Following the program, Principal Davis said, "This was a great tribute to veterans. The program gave our students some important things to think about. It is the type of program that I would like to see continued at Emery High School. Thanks to all those who contributed to its success."
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