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End of Bobby?
Robin Brownlee
December 20 2008 01:24PM
We don't know for sure that Friday marked the beginning of the end of Robert Nilsson's days as a member of the Edmonton Oilers, but it sure sounded like it to listen to coach Craig MacTavish.
Now, maybe I'm reading between the lines too much, or maybe it was just the frustration of watching Nilsson float again before grabbing some pine in a 3-2 shootout loss to the Anaheim Ducks at Rexall Place, but it sounded like MacT is done with the Little Magic Man.
You tell me.
"No competitiveness," MacTavish said in his post game comments when asked about benching Nilsson in the third period.
"We try and coddle the competitiveness out of him, but he just didn't have any again tonight. I've had enough and seen enough of it."
Damning words
Might MacTavish be more restrained if asked about Nilsson when the team returns to the ice for practice Sunday? Possibly. But if MacTavish really has "had enough and seen enough of it," what does that mean? A stint in the press box. Another demotion to the fourth line? A ticket to Springfield?
Having met Nilsson at the 2003 Entry Draft, where the New York Islanders selected him 15th overall, and having watched his progress -- or lack of same -- with some interest because he's the son of former Oiler Kent (Magic Man) Nilsson and somebody I thought Edmonton might select, I'd suggest skipping the preliminary stuff and get to brass tacks.
If I was GM Steve Tambellini, I'd be looking to trade Robert Nilsson while he's still got a semblance of marketability -- albeit greatly diminished -- because of the flair and offensive talent he possesses and teases you with.
The problem is, Nilsson only puts that talent on display, and does it within the framework of a game plan, when he feels like it. That doesn't happen nearly enough. That isn't good enough. At 23, Nilsson should know that, but apparently he hasn't figured it out yet.
Doesn't get it
With 4-6-10 and a -8 rating through 27 games, Nilsson hasn't even been the least productive member of the now-dismantled Kid Line. That distinction falls to Sam Gagner, while Andrew Cogliano has easily been the best of the trio.
As much as he's struggled, though, Gagner is 19 and in his second season. Cogliano is 21 and also a sophomore. Nilsson turns 24 on January 10 and he's been demoted, chided and traded once already for disappearing for long stretches and being inconsistent.
Sitting Nilsson isn't the answer. Neither is cutting his minutes and putting him on the fourth line. What will more time in the press box accomplish?
Even before Nilsson's latest slacking, I talked about a need to weed out some of the Oilers small forwards and use one or two of their skilled little guys as bargaining chips.
It's as much about an overlap in skills as it is about lack of size, but I don't see room for Gagner, Cogliano, Nilsson, Gilbert Brule, Rob Schremp and Jordan Eberle in MacTavish's top-nine forwards over the next two or three seasons. Do you?
What's next?
At this point, I'd rather see what Brule and Schremp can do and offer up Nilsson and whatever else it takes to land a veteran forward who can kill penalties and win face-offs or a shutdown defenceman. Given MacTavish's lament about the lack of a one-shot scorer after the Anaheim loss, maybe there's a team willing to part with one and gamble on Nilsson's upside as part of a package.
"We don't shoot the puck hard enough collectively," MacTavish said after his outfit made Jonas Hiller look like Georges Vezina.
"We can put ourselves in position to score but we need a lot of shots to score. With the exception of Sheldon (Souray), there aren't a lot of guys who are first-shot scorers. We need a lot of looks. That's been real obvious."
Whether it's a defensive forward, a triggerman with a nose for the net or a shutdown blueliner, I doubt I'd get much of an argument from MacTavish that Tambellini should pick up the phone and kick some tires.
It's time.
December 20 2008, 01:39PM
While I agree with the coach's opinion of the player wholeheartedly, being that brutal in the media is another in a litany of moronic moves by this idiot.
Chew the guy out behind closed doors, fire his Dad, whatever....but if you want to MOVE the guy (and they probably do, and definitely SHOULD)....then shut the hell up about it! "He got his bell rung." or "We just wanted to shake things up a little and unfortunately 'Roh-bert' drew the short straw'.
Now, what exactly are they going to get for the guy? [not that they could get much to begin with.]
December 20 2008, 01:40PM
i loved this guy, marvelled at his offensive flair....but theres something about his game that just doesn't sit right. I don't know what we could get for him but your bang on with the too many of the same player assesment.
Mac-T is an idiot, I totally agree with Zamboni Driver.
You have hit the nail on the head.
He reminds me somewhat (not the style but the attitude) of Andrei Kovalenko. Great talent but you saw it every ten games or so.
December 20 2008, 02:59PM
I think Mac-T needs to go! he doesnt know how to handle talent nor does he know how to handle goaltending. OH and by the way, he doesnt even know how to handle the lines switching them up every single game!! supposely this is the best oiler team Mac-T has coached? He certainly isnt showing that he's the best coach for this Oiler team.
December 20 2008, 04:31PM
I picked Nilsson as my goat at the beginning of the season. To see him wearing a different jersey next week would not surprise me in the least, and if we can get a bag of pucks for him, so much the better.
December 20 2008, 04:48PM
Mac-t is doing no more than standing on the soap box and making it sound like Nilsson and every other oiler at some point or another is the reason he can't get this ship steered the right way. We've likely all had that boss that will blame anyone else than himself for lack of production either be through lack of management or the inability to motivate his workers. This is all it is, who's next...Pouliot,Grebs,the list goes on. I'm not saying that all would be solved but it can't hurt to have a different perspective for the players to look at...Sorry Craig you have to go!!
December 20 2008, 04:50PM
I think the problem with Bobby is endemic on this Oiler team. Under achieving players is common place in that locker room outside of a few stand outs.
When and if Nilsson picks up his game he can dominate. There were many games this year where he seemed like the only guy going on his line. This about face of MacT's bumping him up to playing with Hemsky (on paper) to a public lambasting is odd.
I wonder if he's just using the "penner" tactic and publicly calling him out. It worked on Penner who is also 25 and was grossly under competing and who also would disappear for games at a time.
On the other side, I think Gagner and Cole worked well together on a line. Both of those players like to great their offense down low. I think both had a fantastic game last night.
But Nilsson is not the reason or solution to the Oilers current woes. The leadership in the dressing room and on that bench has to seriously be taken into question.
Here's an idea. Let him play hockey. Let him play his game. Next to nobody finds success in MacT's system and I really don't care to watch another talented player leave here because they "can't play", "are "inconsistent", or aren't "competing". Just like Jarret Stoll, Petr Sykora, Joffrey Lupul, Jason Chimera, Matt Greene, ... The problem is behind the bench and upstairs. This team plays a system and style that is out of date with modern hockey, infact may never have had an era in hockey. They do everything to get one shot usually with no screen because they are all in the corner cycling, or the Oilers shooter tutor has a whole in it's middle and not at the corners? And weak shooting. Worse yet they do nothing to sustain pressure. No creativity here, with creative players? They never rush, they don't support the puck by design, and are passive by design. Or why does the 4th line get so much offensive zone faceoffs? And why can't MacT send a message to Huddy to get the best pairings out with the best two lines? Or he just doesn't know better. How do you become consistent when you're line is never consistent and your role is largely unidentified? How do you get consistent without being comfortable with your linemates?
Want to talk about non-competative or soft players? Look no further than Horcoff, Staios, or Pisani. Or players who handicap their team by their actions stupid or inept in Moreau or Staios. Again, the change needs to be behind the bench first. There's enough talent their to be a lot better than we are. That's the problem for MacT, too much talent again, he doesn't know how to use it or how to handle it.
December 20 2008, 05:18PM
@ Fiveandagame: The only problem I see with the "Penner tactic" is that in a short time the players will look at Craig and feel if they have a bad night or go on a scoreless drought for a few games they will get called out. The players have no control of the Mac-blender and if they can't get comfortable with who they are playing with then how can they get any chemistry...as for leadership, how would you like to be Moreau or Staios and look at a bunch of over payed rugrats and have to try and lead them forward...kids in their teens don't think like those in their 20's or 30's
December 20 2008, 05:19PM
@ Jay: Here,Here
While I don't necessarily disagree with MacT's assessement it seems as though he has lost all control of this hockey club. No one on the team really seems to compete on a consistent basis anymore, not just Nilson. Considering that this inconsistency is so prevalent I agree with many of the fellow sufferring Oiler fans in that MacT should be let go. Unfortunately it appears as though their is literally no accountability as it relates to our coaching staff and their decisions. Hence a change remains unlikely.
December 20 2008, 06:13PM
I agree that one of the Hobbits needs to go. Send Cole, and whatever else is needed for Horton. Then trade BobbyNils and parts for a bonafide checking, hitting, faceoff winnning 3rd liner. PRESTO! We have size on the 2nd line and 2 faceoff winners in our top three lines with Brodziak (whos not bad either) manning the fourth.
December 20 2008, 06:59PM
Maybe Reasoner is coming back.
@ Smokin' Ray: And Jason Smith . . .
December 20 2008, 07:17PM
and Jarret stoll,and Chris douchebag and,Spacek,and Samsonov,and basically the team that scattered when alomost everything went right!!
December 20 2008, 07:18PM
On and on it goes everone else is to blame but Mac T and Management,how much longer are we going to watch this bad movie? I am embaressed by Mac t how he throws these guys under the bus, how do you think the boys in the room feel? This coach has lost this team, the only reason they play is because they have pride in themselves not the moron behind the bench.lets all forget about signing any free agents if we continue to have Mac T as a coach do you think players want to come to a team where they are blasted in public.what goes on behind closed doors if this how he acts in public? A coachs job is to motivate,teach and be a leader this guy is none of the above 8 years is long enough,the sooner he leaves the better for the team,the fans and oilers nation!!!
December 20 2008, 07:20PM
I think you would find if you polled the nhl in confidence, few players would come here because of Mac-t. Especially now that the team is floundering and has played with very little heart
December 20 2008, 07:23PM
K-lo and Tambellini PLEASE MAKE A MOVE SOON!! if nothing else send a message to the Nation that you are as serious as you say you are...WHERE ARE YOU DARYL KATZ!!!
December 20 2008, 07:58PM
ramped up wrote:
as for leadership, how would you like to be Moreau or Staios and look at a bunch of over payed rugrats and have to try and lead them forward…kids in their teens don't think like those in their 20's or 30's
So being slow (Staois) and taking bad penalties (Moreau) is what they do because they are mad at having to lead the young guys?
December 20 2008, 08:51PM
The blame belongs to Kevin Lowe 50%. The other 50% of the blame belongs to Moreau, Horcoff and Staios. I don't blame MacT at all. It is not his fault his 3 leaders are not being leaders. If these people were 18 years old then I could see blaming MacT. But these people are not kids. In fact, they have kids of their own. They should take responsibility for their actions instead of trying to pass it on. Be a man and buck up. You three guys suck and you blame the coach. I just don't get it. I guess we need Bergeron back so we have a whipping boy around here.
December 20 2008, 08:55PM
Vote for Souray.
December 20 2008, 10:00PM
Actually I think there's enough blame to go around to everyone. Lowe put together a team that has holes (can't win face offs hurts the pk), a lot youth (still) and that his coach has not yet adapted to (in terms of the type of game he's used to coaching).
MacT has stuggled with a team that is not like what he's used to (heart and soul) and he's hurt himself by skating guys off their natural positon (Cole). And is line juggling has left lot's scratching.
And I think Smokin Ray is right about the vet leaders - there job his to find a way to pull it together and instead this team goes out, gets hit in the mouth early and can't pull it together again until it's too late to win games.
They've got to change something, but it's anyone's guess as to what will happen. Hopefully, they don't way until the season is flushed before they finally make a move.
December 20 2008, 10:02PM
This is just another perfect example of a coach not knowing how to deal with almost every situation that comes up. I agree with Zamboni driver. How many young players has Mac-T developed in his time here. Quite frankly Nilsson was behind the 8 ball before he even got here, his style of game just doesn't fit in with the MacTavish philosophy. Craig MacTavish couldn't nuture young talent if his life depended on it, all you have to do is look at his track record.
December 20 2008, 10:05PM
This team has 5 veteran players. I would say Moreau, Staios, Horcoff, Souray and Roloson could arguably be called the leaders of the team. This could truly be the weakest leadership group in the history of the team. Shayne Corson might have been involved in a bad bunch but this group inspires nobody. Other players, fans, media and probably management are left with a feeling that there is nobody in the room that they could look at and feel that confidence that good leadership inspires. I could go thru each one of them on an individual basis but everyone knows the weaknesses each of them possesses. But, once again, this woeful group did not put themselves together. It has happened under the tutelage of one Mr. K. Lowe. And for the umpteenth time I suggest that: Kevin. Lowe. Must. Go.
December 20 2008, 10:10PM
At least Souray and Roli have shown their worth. I see them being accountable. They admit when they suck. I don't see that from Horcoff, Moreau and Staios.
Can we impeach Lowe somehow?
@ Andy the Oiler Fan: Ales Hemsky? Shawn Horcoff? Matt Greene? Jarret Stoll?
@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:
"I am embaressed by Mac t how he throws these guys under the bus, how do you think the boys in the room feel? This coach has lost this team, the only reason they play is because they have pride in themselves not the moron behind the bench . . . "
Sorry, you don't know the first thing about the situation in the dressing room. How many times to you think the coaching staff went over the weakenesses in Dustin Penner's game with the player before anything was said in public? How many times do you think Nilsson has been told to pull his head out of his ass and show consistency and effort? Plenty of times on both counts, I assure you.
And MacT has not lost the room. How do you know that? I've talked to several players in the last week -- on and off the record -- about that very issue and I'm told that's not the case.
MacTavish is not without blame here, and there's a long checklist of moves he's made I don't understand, but blanket statements like yours don't hold up under scrutiny when you talk to players. And no, it's not a case of what else are they going to say? There are some very candid discussions off the record, and that's not the message I'm getting.
December 20 2008, 11:42PM
Lets compare the Oilers to two teams we know well.
The Canucks - Many thought the Canucks would be struggling and hugging the bottom of the standings but they play and compete strong. The team is filled with a bunch of players who were considered underachievers on other teams and no names yet they win more than they lose. Why? This team was built by the gm to fit the strengths of the coaching staff. Players who would buy into the coaches system and perform to his needs.
The Blackhawks - Young fast team, lots of potential talent but needed proper nurturing to get it out. Management realised early that the man they had behind the bench was a good coach but not the best for the team they built so as soon as a great coach who fit their needs came available they grabbed him. The results speak for themselves as the Blackhawks have improved by leaps and bounds this year!
The Oilers - Polar opposite of each team above. Built a fast talented young team that does not fit the strengths of the existing coaching staff yet too thick to realise it and hire someone more suitable. Imagine people say MacT tries to put square pegs into round holes.. I think KLowe has done a pretty good job of trying that same approach!
@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:
Here's an example of what I'm hearing from players. These are excerpts of on the record stuff from a conversation Sheldon Souray had with Dan Barnes, Mark Spector and I on Friday.
ABOUT THE INCONSISTENCY "The frustrating part about a situation like this is you hear it and you know it, but you make the same mistakes -- whether it's the starts, the PK. When you keep doing those things, that's the frustrating part."
PREPARATION BY THE COACHING STAFF "The thing is, you can say things about coaching, but Mac does tell us. He gives us a plan every game. He says, 'Do this.' Once we don't do it, you come in after the second period or first period and it's 'I told you about this play. Did you think I was lying?' "
SO, IF THE PLAYERS ARE BEING TOLD, WHERE'S THE DISCONNECT? "That's a good question. If we could figure that out it would make a world of difference in where we're at, but . . ." "I don't think there's a doubt about the game plan. It's getting on the same page. We're trying to find it."
ARE THE PLAYERS DUMB? "Good question. When things are laid out for you . . . you can lead a horse to water, right?"
IS THIS A CASE LIKE IN TAMPA WHERE PLAYERS TUNED OUT BARRY MELROSE? HAS MACT LOST THE ROOM? "No. It's completely different. Honestly, he hasn't lost the room. It's a matter of more buy-in and more acountability. We talk about it, but guys, at the end of the day, have to produce. "I know how frustrated they get because we go and we watch the video and he shows us -- 'This is what I told you.' We watch the video and we're not doing it."
December 21 2008, 12:12AM
@ RobinB: I said he has lost this team, How many times do they have to come out flat? They have tuned him out,the decisions he makes with the lines changing them every couple of games,playing pouliot like he is the second coming of Gretzky, why he would let him shot on the shot out the other night is carzy! It should of been Cole shoting not Pouliot. It is decisions like this that piss off the players and the fans.blasting someone behind closed doors is fine, out in public is no ones business. give me one other example of a NHL coach doing this? The man is grasping at straws, It is time for a change you know it.The players know it and the fans know it.
@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: Did you read anything Souray said or is your mind made up?
Roster and line-up decisions about Pouliot etc are fair game for criticism. Like I said, I question some (many) of the moves I've seen this season. But you're talking two different issues with strategy/line combinations and "losing the room."
And, by the way, if I "knew it," I'd write it.
December 21 2008, 12:21AM
@ RobinB: Robin Lets get serious, Which player would blast the coach on or off the record? Come on,that is commiting career suicide,Actions speak louder than words,to many players that where traded played under Mac T played poorly, Then went on to bigger and better things without him that says alot.
@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99: OK. Have it your way.
December 21 2008, 09:34AM
If I suck at work... Does my manager get fired?
@ Smokin' Ray: Good point (although it's one that people like oilersseasonticketholdersince99) aren't willing to entertain right now.
To be fair, if you suck at work and everybody else working under that manager sucks at work, then maybe it's time to look at the manager, too. That's the cry of the Fire MacTavish Contingent right now. It's not without merit.
That said, in the specific case of Nilsson, he's picked a bad time to revert to his inconsistent ways. When the team is in the tank like it is, nobody gets much rope. He picked a bad time to slack off. My point is that with the Oilers looking and needing to make a move to shake things up, Nilsson may have played himself right onto the trading block. It's timing as much as anything.
December 21 2008, 10:10AM
@ RobinB
Couldn't agree more. People have been playing hot potato all year long. The music stopped and Nilsson was still holding it. uh oh!
December 21 2008, 10:16AM
@ everyone
Carefull what you wish for. Want MacT gone? Who's his replacement? Torterella? Crawford? Nolan?
ROFL. How many of them WANT to come to Edmonton? I am willing to bet that it is an in house hiring then. Moores/Huddy/Bucky
Or they reach back into the vault and bring back Craig Simpson. Do you guys really want that?
December 21 2008, 11:38AM
@ Smokin' Ray: Unfortunatly you are right, the likelyhood of them hiring within is a strong possibility. Even if they go outside the box and bring in torterella, they can make him interim head coach,see how he does and decide to sign him long term in the summer. Right now he's my vote but like you said would he come??
December 21 2008, 11:53AM
Gregor made a comment on air the other day that he had heard rumblings that the leaders in the dressing room weren't doing their job. He didn't care to expand on the comment. Wondering Robin whether you had maybe been given the impression that there might be a division in the room? Seems to me the vets (Horcoff, Souray, Moreau, Staios) wanted to make it pretty clear early in the year that this was their team & the "kids" would be back to a supporting role.
Gregors comment has been bugging me ever since he made it. One thing the Oilers could always boast was a tight dressing room. Maybe the boys just aren't as willing to jump on a the grenade for one another as the were in the past?
"Lets get serious, Which player would blast the coach on or off the record?"
To think this types of comments have not been made before is even more myopic than the rest of your replies to R.B. on this issue.
1 would hedge to guess he has just a tad more background to fall back on than you in this case..?
December 21 2008, 12:10PM
Just typical anit-MacT rhetoric from the band wagon jumping crowd. These are the same people who are actually dissapointed when the Oilers win because it is just "more rope" for the coach.
December 21 2008, 12:20PM
Name me one other player that has gone on record here or anywhere else and had negative things to say about there coach? look what they did to Ted Nolan when he blasted his GM in buffalo, what has Mac T done for this team with the exception of the cup run? If you are content with this team great! you are intitled to your opinion as am I,all I know is talking to the other season ticket holders and listing to the fans leaving the game, we have had enough of this, every year it is the same old storey!!!
December 21 2008, 12:34PM
@ Mr. Brightside: If you look at my tag, Im not on or off the band wagon I have been going to the games since 1979. And became a season ticket holder in 1999 and been one ever since,I go to the games win or lose!!! maybe we should do a poll of the season ticket holders and oiler fans and see if they want Mac T in or out? There are more people who have had enough of him and want him gone,than want him to stay.
@ Mr. Brightside: Jason mentioned leadership in the dressing room after we had a conversation last week. We're both at the rink a fair amount and you hear snippets of things.
Whenever things are going badly, leadership and a "split in the room" are things you have to take a look at -- like the much-debated question about MacTavish "losing the room" and decisions about lines and personnel.
Obviously, it's not a happy room right now. And you have to wonder about how Dustin Penner and, now, Robert Nilsson feel about the coach.
As for leadership, it's got to be lacking to some degree -- isn't every aspect of a team when things are going this badly?
December 21 2008, 12:36PM
@ RobinB: It's good to hear the consensus among the players is that MacT hasn't lost the room. If you look at Mike Keenan it's not like the coach needs to be your friend, he's your coach. Just because he's saying things the players might not like doesn't mean they aren't listening.
There is just something funky about this team though. Their inability to put 60mins together is beyond me. And from statements from MacT it seems beyond him too, why this group isn't playing hard from the drop of the puck. MacT says it's the coaches job to have the players ready to play. They clearly aren't the majority of the time. Just as he's asking Eric Cole to change something about the way he gets ready for the game, I think MacT has to learn a new song to get these guys moving and playing for each other.
Something has to change, something has to give.
December 21 2008, 12:37PM
@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:
Why is it always okay to just discount the "cup run"? We talk about 8-years of mediocrity but if you want to be fair it has only been three years since the new CBA and the establishment of a level playing field. Mac T seems to be pretty honorable guy, who clearly wants what is best for the team, the players and the fans. I'd bet a lot of money that he will step down without being asked if the team misses the playoffs this year. He's been with this team for a lot of really crappy years when they simply couldn't afford to ice a competitve team. Doesn't anybody want to see him get rewarded for that perseverance now that we are a "have" market? I do. Not that the fans really have a say, but lets give the guy this year at least.... if they don't have success then I'm sure he'll step away, without having to endure the humiliation of being fired.
December 21 2008, 12:42PM
oilersseasonticketholdersince99 wrote:
@ Mr. Brightside: If you look at my tag, Im not on or off the band wagon I have been going to the games since 1979. And became a season ticket holder in 1999 and been one ever since,I go to the games win or lose!!! maybe we should do a poll of the season ticket holders and oiler fans and see if they want Mac T in or out? There are more people who have had enough of him and want him gone,than want him to stay.
Duly noted. "bandwagonjumper" accusation withdrawn. As you note from my tag I am the eternal optimist. I still think this is a good team, with a chance to win. I'm also a bit of a bleeding heart who doesn't like to see somebody skewered in the media.
December 21 2008, 12:52PM
@ Mr. Brightside: I am not questioning his commitment all I am saying is that we keep going down this same road, year after year, It came from mangement and the coachs that this was the best team we have iced in years, yet the result is the same, something has to give we cannot fire all the players, Mac T is not the only one to blame but lets face it, He is getting frustrated, to blast two players in a month in public wether they deserve it or not is not acceptable.That is why i said he is losing the room, he is taking this out in public when it should be behind closed doors,If i am a player on this team I question when I am next for one of the coaches blasts. The players are sticking together on this, its not just penner and neilson that are pissed at the coach they also have teammates in the room that are on there side. didnt coach Pete Peters also blast the players this month at an optional skate? Does this sound like the players are listening to the coachs?
December 21 2008, 01:02PM
@ oilersseasonticketholdersince99:
Maybe they aren't listening. Doesn't mean that they would listen to anybody else though. Firing the coach is too easy in my opinion. It's just making him the scapegoat. (anybody else read Dilbert?...funny scapegoat thread the past couple of days....) I think RB has it right. Tweak the roster, out with the small, in with the big. NYI could use some help, maybe they would part with Trent Hunter?


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The Supremacy and Sweetness of God: Preaching for Radical Obedience
William E. Conger Lectures | Birmingham, Alabama
The title is Preaching for Radical Obedience, Luring Our People to God. So let me begin with a definition and then try to connect the message this morning with the message from yesterday. What do I mean by radical obedience? I mean the kind of obedience to God that comes from the root of your life, which is planted in God and is drinking up joy, and hope and satisfaction from the subterranean streams of grace, embodied in the promises of God. That the root of your life is soak in grace and you're feeding that root on promises and that's coming up and giving hope and joy and satisfaction and on the limbs of that strong tree are growing the fruit of obedience, that's what I mean by radical obedience.
It's the kind of obedience that's described in Hebrews 10 when the early church found out that some of their friends were in jail, and at the cost of the plundering of their property, they joyfully went to the jail to visit them. That's radical obedience when you do such a thing joyfully. Or like Moses when he had the opportunity to stay in the posh palaces of Egypt, chose rather to share ill treatment with the people of God because he looked joyfully to the reward. That's radical obedience. Or, Saint Paul, counting everything as refuse in order to gain Christ. That abandonment of all of his rich pedigree and all of the easy life that he might have lived for the sake of obeying the call of the Lord and gaining Christ, that radical obedience. Or, like Jesus said, taking up your cross daily and following his precisely because if you lose your life, you will find it. That's radical obedience.
Now, I think you should preach to that end. I want people like that in my church. Don't you? If we preach and that kind of people are not begotten, to what end is it all? But, you should ask the question, okay, what's the connection between that and yesterday? Yesterday's message was all about the supremacy of God in preaching, magnifying God, making him central in preaching and so the connection needs to be asked, well what is this goal, radical obedience, have to do with that goal, of the supremacy of God in preaching?
The answer is very simple and it's very easy to find in the Bible. The obedience of our people, like that is the way that God manifests his glory in our culture. Psalm 23:3, he leads me in paths of righteousness, finish it. Obedience exists for the glory of God. We are lead in paths of righteousness for his namesake. And so if you by your preaching can move people, somehow to walk in paths of righteousness, the name of God is magnified in the world. That's the connection between yesterday and today.
Or, Matthew 5:16, let your light so shine before men that they may see your good deeds. That's radical obedience. And give glory to your father in heaven, so if we preachers want to be used of God to spread a passion for the supremacy of God in his glory in Birmingham, or wherever, we have to so preach that our people radically obey God. Every day, all day.
This is not a Sunday morning event where preaching ends in it's significance, preaching must be designed to produce a certain kind of person if preaching is driven by a passion for the supremacy of God in the world. And not just in this little teeny event. You see the connection between preaching for radical obedience, I hope, and preaching to spread a passion for the supremacy of God in all things.
When you or your people cast to the winds their fears, and risk their lives and spend themselves, not for any particular human fortune but for the glory of Christ, then he will be supreme in the city because of your preaching. So, we preach for radical obedience out of love for the glory of God. And the question now then becomes, what kind of preaching does that? How does that kind of obedience get stirred up in a people?
Radical Obedience Motivated by Supreme Pleasure
Well here's my thesis for this morning, or at least a first part of the thesis. The most powerful and painful acts of obedience must be motivated by a supreme passion for pleasure in God. And the preaching that kindles that kind of obedience must constantly portray God as supremely and everlastingly satisfying. I need to say that again. There's two parts to it.
All radical obedience must be motivated by a passion for satisfaction in God. And therefore the preaching that leads to that kind of obedience must portray God week in and week out as supremely and everlastingly satisfying. It helps the people will experience God that way, will not pursue God that way and they will not obey God, evangelically. They might legalistically, which is of no value to anyone, but not Gospel obedience.
Now let me begin to unfold this thesis with an illustration from my experience from some years ago in prayer week in our Church. we have a prayer week at the beginning of each year and on the Friday night of that prayer week we pray all night, from 10:00 until 6:00 in the morning. And we divide the night up into hours and different people are assigned an hour to lead an that year, I think it was 1991, I was assigned a hour on repentance, and contrition.
So I was to lead our people during the night, 1 in the morning, whatever they gave me, the slot I don't remember, into a time of repentance and contrition, penance, and I want to describe to you what happened in my preparation for that, which shed light on how you preach for evangelical obedience.
Now, the point is that connects the two is this: contrition and repentance are the necessary first steps of radical obedience. It is radical obedience to be contrite before God and to repent of your sins. And all true gospel obedience begins there. So if I can figure out how to preach to produce contrition, and repentance in people, I will have discovered at least the first steps of how to preach toward radical obedience.
Contrition, Repentance, and David Brainerd
Now, what I did to get ready for that night was to read excerpts from David Brainerd. David Brainerd, you remember, was a missionary to the Indians in New England 250 years ago or so, and a good, he would have married Jonathan Edwards daughter, had he lived. He died when he was 29.
On August 9, 1745, he preached to the Indians at [Crossweexum], New Jersey with these words, or he wrote in his journal about preaching, "There were many tears among them while I was discoursing publicly. But no considerable outcry, yet some of them were much affected with a few words spoken to them in a powerful manor, which caused the persons to cry out in anguish of sorrow, although I had spoken not a word of terror, but on the contrary, set before them the fullness and all sufficiency of Christ's merits and his willingness to save all that come them, and there upon pressed them to come without delay."
Now, August 6th, "It was surprising to see how their hearts seem to be pierced with the tender and melting invitations to the gospel when there was not a word of terror spoken to them."
November 30th, preaching on Luke 16, concerning the rich man and Lazarus, he wrote this in his journal, "A word made powerful impressions upon many in the assembly, especially while I discoursed in the blessings of Lazarus in Abraham's bosom, this I could perceive affected them more than when I spoke of the rich man's misery and torments. And thus, it has been usually with them, they have almost always appeared much more affected with the comfortable than the dreadful truths of God's word, that which has distressed many of them under convictions is that they found that they lacked and could not obtain the happiness of the Godly."
I read that in preparation for my hour on repentance and contrition. And it struck me. Because I had never heard anybody say it quite like that before, that this is the way he brought about tears of contrition and brokenhearted-ness because of sin. So I want to examine with you what happened in those moments when Brainerd preached, but before I do that, let me give you a biblical example of this.
It comes from Luke 5. The situation is that Jesus had just been in a little boat preaching, he's done preaching and he wants the disciples to cast out into the water and throw down their nets for a catch. Well they had fished all night and there were no fish down there.
So, Peter in verse 4 says, "Master, we toiled all night and took nothing, but at your word, I will let down the nets," and when they let them down, the nets were filled with fish, so full that they were breaking. Peter's response to this miracle of grace, not a chastisement, but a miracle of mercy, is very unlike 20th century self-esteeming responses to grace.
Here's what happened, it says in verses eight, nine and ten of Luke 5, "When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus knee's saying, "Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, oh lord, for he was astonished and all that were with him at the catch of fish, which they had taken." In other words, he did not say, "My, if God does such things for me, I must be somebody." That's the way American Evangelicals talk about the cross and about miracles of grace, not what Peter did.
When Peter was treated with mercy, he fell on his face and said, leave me, leave me. Get it? Most people wouldn't get it. Why'd he do that? Why didn't he feel like somebody? Because he knew he wasn't worthy of that miracle and he knew that to have a Christ like that would result in a lifestyle on his part so different than the lifestyle that he was presently living, if he really believed such a Christ and had such a Christ on his side, he couldn't stand what he saw in the mirror and he was on his face saying, "Jesus, if there's any place you should be, it shouldn't be in my presence and so get out of my life."
So, here you have Brainerd saying, "These Indians don't cry when I preach judgment. They cry over their sin when I describe heaven and mercy and the freedom of grace and that they can have it." And Peter cries and falls on his face when he's treated with undeserved grace and mercy, with all these fish being brought with just the word of the Lord for the dropping of a net. Now, what is going on here? We need to analyze this, we need to figure this out.
Genuine, and I'm entering on an analysis here of what's going on. Genuine gospel contrition, repentance, sorrow for sin, is only possible where you feel bad about not having holiness. You feel sorrow about not having the God of holiness. Now there's an ambiguity in this, we'll see if I can get at it with you.
There are criminals who, when they're confronted with their crime, and are sentenced, weep. So weeping at the point of the discovery of your crime may or may not be a sign of contrition and repentance. The weeping may be not because they've discovered the beauty of holiness and love holiness, but that they've discovered the freedom to do unholiness is being taken away from them. They're going to jail, and so they no longer are free to do as much unrighteousness as they would, and they're sorrowful about that.
And so you see the weeping and you cannot, for sure, know what it is. Weeping means little, folks. Weeping means little. People cry in my office over the most selfish things. So, we must be careful here how we say this. A criminal may cry at the indictment of his crime because the freedom to do more crimes is being taken away. The only true sorrow for not having holiness is a sorrow that comes from the love of holiness. And the realization that you haven't loved it as you want. And have fallen so far short. It's not the fear of the consequences, hell that results in the tears of evangelical obedience. Or evangelical contrition.
It's the realization that you have missed it, you have missed the joy, you have missed the wonder, you have missed the awe, you have missed the blessedness, you have missed the purity, you have missed the fellowship of the holiness of God in your life. Now, that's odd when you think about it. That's really strange because it means that before you can have genuine evangelical tears, you must have discovered joy. This has huge implications for how you preach.
You see what I'm saying? A person in order to weep over the lack of holiness must have been brought to a point of delighting in holiness for its own sake. Delight must precede brokenness. If you want tears, you must preach joy. Isn't that odd? You must so preach that people see the beauty and the glory and the undesirables of what they have trampled, and until they get it, their tears, if they come, will be legal tears, not evangelical tears. Tears out of fear of hell. Tears that they let down some loved one, but not tears that I've missed holiness, which is the most beautiful glorious reality in the universe, the holiness of God. Tasting it, fellow shipping with it, beholding it, living it, I missed it, and I want it so bad.
Nobody weeps over the departure of a young woman until they loved the young woman. You got to love holiness before the lack of it will bring you any tears. We must preach so as to portray to sinners who have no holiness, holiness in such a way, that by the anointing and power and regenerating and illuminating work of the Holy Spirit, they are enabled to taste the beauty of holiness and then they are struck at the horror of their lives. That they've missed it. That this treasure has been treated like dirt. They've been indifferent to it, they've stomped on it, they've ignored it, they've made fun of it, and now, suddenly, awakened to taste it.
That's called conversion, it's called awakening, and when it happens to a lot of people at the same time, it's called, what? Revival. So we need to talk about this kind of preaching. Let me state my thesis again so I can keep you up to date about where I am in my sequence of thought. The most powerful, painful acts of radical obedience are motivated by a supreme passion for pleasure in God. I would add now, in the holiness of God. And the preaching that will kindle that kind of obedience must portray God as supremely and everlastingly satisfying.
Now, all we've done so far in this message is get you just inside a life of obedience called contrition. And repentance. The beginning of the Christian life is the discovery of how wrong everything has been. How out of sorts with God, how your values have been inverted, how your tastes have been blunted and suddenly, by the awakening of the Holy Spirit, you can now taste the beauty of holiness, the beauty of Christ, the delightfulness of God, that he's a treasure and a wonder, and then your whole life comes into perspective.
I used the analogy one time at my church, that somebody, early on in your darkened life, puts an ebony broach around your neck. It hangs there, and you feel it, and it's dark. The darkness of sin is all over you and Satan commending sin to you, puts this wonderful ebony broach around you neck and you feel it, and it feels like ebony, and you hold it up in the dark and it's beautiful black ebony. Then God turns the light on in your life, and your able to see holiness for what it is, and you hold it up and the broach is a roach hanging around your neck. That's somebody asked me yesterday, do you preach about sin. That's what I'm talking about.
Yes, you preach about sin, but you want the broach to look like the roach that it is, the lights have to go on so people see beauty for what it is. And that's not beautiful. Other things are delicious and beautiful. So first step toward radical obedience is bringing people to radical contrition and you do it by portraying God in his holiness, alluring it, hence the subtitle of my talk. Alluring it to God. Not pounding them to God. They'll never come. They may do some legalistic shop cleaning and become nice, well dressed, Baptist or Presbyterian, or Anglican or Methodist church goers, but they won't be born again.
Churches have many non-born again, upright, moral, keep your nose clean, impress God and everybody else, moralists. They're not going to heaven, because they're not born again because they don't delight in holiness with their soul. In their heart, they've never fallen in love with God. In all form.
Contrition from a Passion for Joy
Now, what have to do next, with my sequence of thought, is say this, the ongoing obedience that comes after the obedience of contrition and repentance must also now be motivated by a passion for joy in God. Now, to demonstrate that I want to show you that all genuine gospel obedience that pleases God comes from faith. Let me give you some text and then tell you why that's a step in the argument. Romans 9 31:32, "Israel pursuing a law of righteousness did not arrive at that law." Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works, so how should the law be obeyed? By faith. All obedience must be by faith.' I wrote my whole book, living by faith in future grace, to get at this. It took me 20 years to figure this out and I'm still working on it.
Some more text to show this. Romans 14:23, 'Whatever does not come from faith is sin'. Hebrews 11:6, "Without faith it is impossible to please God." You can do as many good works as you want without trusting Christ for the divine enablement by grace, and they don't please God. Right me, how many people in our churches are in that category? Or, first Thessalonians 1:3, you get this phrase, "your work of faith", what is a work of faith? It is a work that springs out like fruit on the branches of faith. Or, Galatians 5:6, "Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail but faith working through love. Love comes from faith."
The works that are called for by a Christian are not legal works, they don't merit, they don't earn. They are fruit that demonstrate the reality of faith and if they aren't there, the faith isn't there. That's the point of James 2. Okay. That's enough text, I could go on and on, the list goes on.
To show you that obedience in the New Testament comes from faith. Now, years ago, as I got to this point in my developing understanding, I would just stop here and in the message and say therefore, preach for faith. If you want to bring about radical evangelical obedience to the glory of God, beget faith with all your might. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, therefore, people will believe, they'll produce obedience, that's the end of the message, I'll go eat lunch, get on a plane.
I don't do that anymore because you know why? Hardly anybody in America knows what faith is anymore, we got this easy believism thing that guts faith, guts faith, takes the guts right out of it. Makes it a signature or a prayer or a decision. Nothing happened any different at all in the life and it's called faith the whole motive is to give assurance on the spot. Well that's not New Testament faith, and of course we've got carnal people filling our churches then. That faith changes nobody.
Definition of Saving Faith
What is faith, then? What is the faith that changes people? That begets the fruit of the deeds that are radical obedience that brings glory to God, that's what I'm preaching for. Not just any old faith.
All right, I'll give you a definition. Now, I wrote 400 pages to explain this, but I'll just take 10 minutes to do it here. Here's my definition of saving faith. It's not all that needs to be said, but it's, I think, what John Piper needs to say everywhere he goes in the last part of the 20th century. The essence of faith is being satisfied with all that God is for us in Jesus. Especially what he promises to be for us in the age to come.
Saving faith is being satisfied with all that God is for you in Jesus. Especially what he promises to be for you this afternoon and in the age to come. Let me unpack that definition for you. It's got two pieces that are intended to be very God centered. The first is it's faith in all that God is for you. It's not faith in his gifts, it's faith in God. It's not being satisfied with forgiveness of sins, it's a gift.
There's a lot of people who would like to have their sins forgiven and not go to hell, who could care less if God were in heaven. Just so there's golf, and health and you name it. I often ask my people, maybe not as often as I used to, but I ask them, test yourself. If you could have everything you desire in heaven forever, minus God, would you be happy? That's a scary question, because I think if many of our people were honest, they'd say, sure, health? All the toys? All the sex? All the health, all the food, all the play, all the nature? And that tests where your satisfaction is. Saving faith is satisfaction in God. Not heaven, not restoration with loved ones, not health, not spouse, not family, not ministry, not success, but God.
Now that's the first thing. The second thing the definition highlights is the word satisfaction. I could use other words. I could use the word delight, or pleasure or whatever. They're all in the Bible, but I have used the word satisfaction simply to highlight the fact that faith is not a mere intellectual assent to doctrine. Or decision to do any particular thing, pray a prayer, sign a card, go to church. It is a real, deep inner emotional soul contentment in who God is for you.
Now, just a brief biblical defense of that, John 6:35, "Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life, he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me (here we are at faith), believes in me shall never thirst." So what is faith, on the basis of that verse? I am the bread of life, he who comes to me shall not hunger, he who believes in me, see the parallelism, he who believes in me shall never thirst. Saving faith in Johannine Theology is a coming to Jesus so as to find such satisfaction in him that you neither hunger or thirst any longer at the well and the bread of sin.
It does not mean you do not sin anymore. It means you now have such a revolutionary new taste capacity that you have found in the fountain of life and the bread of heaven, such amazing satisfaction that when Satan and sin commend their bread and their water and their wine to you, though you may be temporarily allured in very quickly, it will taste awful, you will feel bad, you will do the John 1:9 thing, verse John 1:9, you will confess it, you will be sorry, yuck, get that out of my mouth. You'll be back to cross, you'll be looking up and you'll be saying, "Fill me" because you will have discovered the fountain. It's not that other fountains cease to be attractive, it's that now you know where it's found. Your quest is over. Jesus is the end of the quest here. And you go back and you lay down and you drink satisfaction over and over again. That's saving faith, to have been awakened, to have been satisfied in all that God is for you in Jesus.
Now, this is second grade here, to make the next point, but I'll make it anyway. You all see, don't you, how that kind of faith produces radical obedience. You could preach the rest of this sermon, couldn't you? I think you could, but that's my job, so a few more minutes to finish it. If the heart is satisfied with all that God is first in Jesus, the power of sin to lure you away is broken. You wonder how to break the sin of lust in your life? Pornography? How to break the sin of greed in your life, in your insatiable desire to have more money and more security in retirement, how do you break that power? And the answer is, a radically superior satisfaction.
Another promise, the promise of money comes and says, "if you come my way, if you serve me, I'll give you this" and now your eyes have been opened and that's rubbish, Paul says, compared to Christ. But your eyes have to be open to the beauty and the desirableness of Christ. Same thing with sex, same thing with power. Every sin has power to the degree that it makes promises to you. Nobody sins out of duty. You only sin because sin lies to you, promising you either short term or long term pleasures.
The only way to defeat those pleasures evangelically and not legalistically is with the power of a superior promise. Or a superior satisfaction. So if you want to produce radical obedience in your people that forsakes sin and embraces the hard cavalry road of obedience, they must feel the superior desirability of God, day in and day out. And you must preach it. Week in and week out. Your main job is to portray God as better than sin. You preach duty and hammer away at your people, God said not sin. God told you do righteousness. He's God. Do it!
You won't produce radical obedience. You'll produce legalists. You've got to win them, you've got to open their eyes, you've got to ravish them with God. They've got to love God, delight in God, be enamored with God so that when sin beckons them, they say, "You got to power, man, why would I ever want to do that? I've got God." In my presence is fullness of joy. At thy right hand are pleasures forevermore.
A Few Examples
I'm going to give you a couple of snapshots as I move towards conclusion here. A couple of biblical snapshots of how this faith, faith understood as being satisfied with all God is for you in Jesus, produces radical obedience, and my whole goal here is to motivate you to preach for it.
Hebrews 11, verse 24, "By faith, Moses refused to be called the Son of Pharaoh's daughter, choosing rather to share ill treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin." Now before I read the next verse, which is the key one, make sure you get the picture. This is a picture of your life, especially, most of the people in this room are well to do. You may not feel well to do, but you've got clothes, and roof over your head, and you will eat lunch. You will well to do, believe me. Because 90% of the world doesn't have those things like you've got them.
And therefore, you're like Moses. Shall I stay in the palaces of the comforts of Birmingham or shall I got to the 90% of the world that has almost no gospel? This is turning into a mission sermon, excuse me, it's in my blood. And if God were to call you to that end, and you can say to me, "You're in Minneapolis." I'm in Minneapolis, I hope, for the sake of the nations. Are you going to embrace the comforts of Egypt, Moses? Are you going to let it go and embrace the sufferings of the people of God and Moses chooses suffering, radical obedience and calls that the fleeting, fleeting pleasures of sin. Somebody got through to Moses that they're fleeting. That's your job as a preacher.
You say to every teenager, it's fleeting. Fleeting. Say to every 70 year old, it's fleeting, because they don't need to be persuaded anymore. Every 40 year old, money is fleeting. The joy of that younger woman instead of your plump wife, is fleeting.
Here's the next verse, what happened, how did he get to this point? Moses considered abuse, suffered for the Christ, greater wealth, than the treasures of Egypt for he looked to the reward. That's why I'm a Christian Hedonist, folks. I want people to produce radical obedience. I want Moses's. I want people to leave Minneapolis and go to Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. And Oman. I want them to leave it all. Therefore, I'm a hedonist. Look to the reward. Forget the rewards of Minneapolis, forget the rewards of a well to do lifestyle in the suburbs, forget it. It's all fleeting, it's all rubbish compared to the apostle. As the Apostle Paul said, compared to knowing or gaining Christ.
Well, maybe one other quick glimpse in Chapter 10 of Hebrews. I love this. This is one of my favorite stories. "Recall the former days," this is Hebrews 10:32, "Recall the former days when after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with suffering, sometimes being publicly exposed to abuse and affliction. Sometimes being partners with those so treated."
So here they are, suffering, making decisions that result in them being mistreated. "For you had compassion on the prisoners," in other words, they want and identified with the prisoners and got themselves into big trouble. "You joyfully accepted the plundering of your property." Test yourself. Test yourself here. You live in a nice house. You get home today, and it's burned down, what are you going to do? If enemies of Christ torched it, or threw rocks through your window, what are you going to do? They joyfully accepted the, you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one.
What's your agenda in preaching now, if you want to beget people who rejoice at the plundering of their properties at the path of obedience? I assume I'm preaching to people like me. You do want to produce people like that in your churches, don't you? Okay. If you want to produce this kind of Christian, you must preach the reward. Who is God? My exceeding great reward is God. Full, deep, sweet, intimate, unending fellowship in the presence of an infinitely glorious, all satisfying God. If your people don't want that, they will not obey. You got to portray him, you got to portray him that way.
A Closing Exhortation
So, let me close with an exhortation that you do that. Preaching that aims to kindle, contrition, that has tears over the failure to see and delight in and follow the holiness of God, must portray holiness as delectable so that the taste is awakened so that they can see that the rejection of it and the trampling on it is a horrible thing. Joy must precede grief so that the grief is evangelical and not legal and then, for the rest of their lives, as you preach, you want them to do radical obedience. Changing their lifestyles, leaving all of their possessions, doing whatever they have to do meet the radical call of God on their lives and take the gospel where it isn't, you want to produce that, and therefore, you must persuade them by week in and week out by portraying this Christ at the end of that path. As more to be desired than anything. Anything.
Now, if I were here for 3 lectures instead of 2, I would tomorrow, or the next time, talk about how do you become that kind of person? You'll never preach it if you don't taste it. So my concluding exhortation is simply love God. Delight in God. Enjoy God. Cut off your hand if you must, to have God. Gouge out your eye if you must to see God. Become a God besotted person. And then week after week, stand up and overflow.
Let's pray. Father, I feel so keenly that I preach beyond myself here. I know that I have a long way to go in a consistent life that is flowing from your infinite value. I respond to my wife and my children, I respond to people at Church in ways that break my heart. Because they're so out of sync with your preciousness, your sufficiency, your promise, your goodness in my life. So I just want to make sure these people hear that. And know that we, collectively, right now. We're contrite. We're contrite before you.
And we're asking that in your mercy, our taste buds would be reawakened and we would be granted a fresh, new deep, profound, satisfaction in you so that next Sunday and the rest of our ministries we will be able to speak of you and portray you in a way that will be so compelling in it's beauty that the wicked will be awakened to see what they have missed and weep.
And the Godly will be reawakened to have a new, deep sense of wonder and awe and gladness in you that will free them to let goods and kindred go, this mortal life also. the body they may kill. God's glorious, all satisfying truth abide us still. Your kingdom is forever. Amen.

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6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
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13 The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the
14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his
15 Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly
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18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will
19 Salute Prisca and Aquila, and the household of Onesiphorus.
20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
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Affected Branches:MOODLE_18_STABLE
Someone issued a command similar to this at Moodle root level, in HEAD:
cvs tag -B -b MOODLE_16_STABLE
which means all the MOODLE_16_STABLE branch tags were moved to be the same as HEAD.
Eloy and I have been working on this over the weekend.
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Eloy did a whole bunch of other cleaning up, but the last steps I did just now were:
1) cvs update -dPr MOODLE_16_BETA (to get back to the old branching point)
2) cvs tag -d MOODLE_16_STABLE (to delete all non-branch tags)
3) cvs tag -B -b MOODLE_16_STABLE (to create the branch tag)
4) cvs update -dPr MOODLE_16_STABLE (to return to 16_STABLE in my local copy)
5) Use a new copy of the latest files before the disaster
6) Copy all these files over the top of the MOODLE_16_STABLE checkout
7) cvs commit with message, linking to this bug.
Seems to be working ok now. I've compared current STABLE_16 checkout against safe copy of files before disaster and there aren't differences at all.
IMO, this should help to learn that:
1) branching is a "dangerous" operation that, currently can be performed by every developer. My +1 to protect CVS from such operations. Doing that now, MD will be the only one allowed.
2) We must try to keep the list of unmerged files as small as possible always. it's a pain to analyse them when they are old while it's really simple to keep them updated in the commit moment. The list if updated regularly on http://docs.moodle.org/en/Unmerged_files and also, it's the FIRST search result when you introduce "unmerged files" in your favourite Google search box. So, please, let's keep them near 0. (exaclty now we should centre our efforts on the 17_STABLE and 18_STABLE unmerged files).
Eloy, thanks for all your hours spent on this over the weekend. I think we're in a good place now!
This change means we can no longer manage our own branches in contrib...... any possibility of allowing users to branch in contrib, but not moodle core? - kinda makes the new design of contrib a bit bung! - or should we still log requests for contrib branching in the tracker?
Is there really a need for arbitrary branches in contrib? Beyond the standard MOODLE_17_STABLE, MOODLE_18_STABLE etc ?
I am sorry to leave my comment here where my contribution in not relevant.
I would like to answer to MD:
> Is there really a need for arbitrary branches in contrib?
If you are saying that all teaching problem were solved with MOODLE_17_STABLE, MOODLE_18_STABLE, I would say that AFAIK it is impossible, for istance, to hide participants email to participants and, at the same time, leave to participants a channel to send email to teachers.
Have a look at my post in: http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=47971
This is a need not satisfied by MOODLE_17_STABLE, MOODLE_18_STABLE.
.....maybe I'm using the wrong command in tortoise...... - I'm trying to turn the HEAD into MOODLE_18_STABLE....
...ahhh.... I see Moodle_18_stable was tagged when everything moved into the new structure! - so I "guess" I need to check out Moodle_18_stable, and then commit my changes to it instead of using HEAD.
Absolutely, Dan. I'd recommend having one MOODLE_17_STABLE site, one MOODLE_18_STABLE site and one HEAD site active at all times.
The CVS docs do cover the merging dance but yell out please if you have any trouble understanding - it is complicated!
Are you saying it might have been you who did the MOODLE_16_STABLE snafu last week?
Daniele .... errr, no, we are not saying every version of Moodle satisfies the needs of every user on the planet. If it did we could stop working and do something else.
STABLE just means that no new FEATURES are being added to that branch, we only fix bugs there.
As for your block, is there a specific bug in the tracker where you have attached that code? If you do that it's easier for us to know about it and schedule it for review and possible integration into the next stable release.
Thank you Martin for your answer.
I am going to post a new feature requet in the tracker.
Just to know... when do you start to send killer around the world to kill users posting and posting bug and feature request in the tracker?
Do I have to wait for a killer when I reach 100 posts in the tracker or when the fixing interventions consequent to/descending from my posts reach 100?
Ciao and thank you far all.
I'm more worried about all the killers that users will start sending when their "unresolved bugs" list reaches 100
Thanks Martin, - it wasn't me who caused the bork! - I wasn't working on anything on the day in question!
Now contrib developers can't also create/move any tags. It very need for mark released version of modules/blocks/etc
Martin, could you describe how register request for tag manipulations?
Well, it shouldn't be necessary, generally.
There are already branches for MOODLE_16_STABLE, MOODLE_17_STABLE, MOODLE_18_STABLE and HEAD, and I'll create new ones that match the ones in core Moodle.
To mark particular versions within the branches you should use the $version variable within the version.php file.
If you have a particular need beyond this please file a new bug in the CVS repository component:
>There are already branches for MOODLE_16_STABLE, MOODLE_17_STABLE, MOODLE_18_STABLE and HEAD
I'm not about branch. I'm about TAGs which very important for checkout necessary version (please see attendance block, wiki module for example)!
>To mark particular versions within the branches you should use the $version variable within the version.php file.
Yes. But how checkout previous version without using TAG if some files has already changed and commited? Also very difficult to Merge changes from HEAD to any branch and vice versa.
Maybe could move contrib in separate repository and allow Branch/Tag manipulation?
Well, there is one exception I forgot to mention ... you can move any existing MOODLE_XX_MERGED tag (and you should use these tags within the branches to manage merging).
For other tags I don't yet see why you need them. Any version of your code in the MOODLE_18_STABLE branch should work on any version of Moodle 1.8. And surely the most recent version of the code in a branch is the "best", right?
Can you explain exactly why you are needing to tag other moments within the branches?
Perhaps there is a better way of doing it, and if not, I'm happy to find some other solution (one that doesn't involve everyone being able to mess up any existing tag).
>you can move any existing MOODLE_XX_MERGED tag
Yes I know.
>And surely the most recent version of the code in a branch is the "best", right?
Yes of course!
>Can you explain exactly why you are needing to tag other moments within the branches?
OK. Imagine next real situation:
Fumikazu Iseki got version 1.0.8 of Attendance (not from CVS) and improved it for autoassign attendances. How can I view differences if I'll can't get version 1.0.8 from CVS? Now I already have 1.0.9. Only because I have tag ATTENDANCE_108 I can checkout this release and create patches.
Example 2:
Consider module NWiki. Ludo and Co creates 3-5 releases in month.
I want improve some features but I also want have stable release for my site. When new release appear I want simple update to it. I don't want latest HEAD version because it can be untested or unfinished. Some time ago all releases of Wiki was tagged but now isn't.


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A Black Diamond Eastern Conference matchup will decide the Consolation Championship of the 48th Annual Eldorado Holiday Tournament Monday when the host Eagles play Fairfield at 3 p.m.
By virtue of knocking off fellow BDC East member Carmi-White County 70-64 in the last game of the tournament Saturday night, Eldorado will play for their second ever consolation championship when the tournament's No. 7 overall seed hooks up with the Mules, the tournament's No. 8 seeded team Monday afternoon.
Fairfield has three consolation championships in their trophy case.
After the two teams closed out the third quarter tied at 44, Eldorado's Joel Boulds put the Eagles on his back and capped off a game-high 25 points with 10 points in the fourth quarter, which included a shooting clip of 6-of-6 from the free throw line.
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Carmi-White County: Vaughn 2 6-8 19, Brown 2 1-4 17, Sailer 5 5-6 18, Large 2 0-2 4, Matz 1 0-4 2, Vaught 2 4. Totals: 14 12-24 64.
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Skip to comments.Eric Bolling ("The Five" on Fox News Channel) offers to pay for a week of White House tours
Posted on 03/07/2013 4:04:13 PM PST by jiggyboy
"But why shut the [White House] doors on those kids in Iowa, and Florida, and Texas. I'll make you a deal, Mister President. Jay Carney, grab your pencil.
"Let these families take their White House tours next wek and I'll cover the added expenses. Word is it will cost about $74,000. If I can get the White House doors open, I'll pick up the tab.
"Mister Carney, you know this is an offer you can't refuse -- give me a call."
(fast forward a little)
"I will absolutely write the check if they open the doors next week."
(video 6:04 long at the clip)
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
stick it to him!
dag nabbit I wanted to put this is news (and breaking news at that) instead of chat
Perhaps instead, Bolling et al. could pay tuition for one or two of our returning servicemen since this administration has cut the tuition aid.
Let them refuse! It will be more proof — very easily understood by even the most "low-information" voter — that Obama is making up reasons to deliberately hurt people.
For once, it's literally, absolutely true: It's for the children.
There's no way the Wh can accept but it might shame them into fixing the problem.
Then again, Zero has no shame!
When FOX News Channel or Hannity agree to pay for a week's lost pay due to the Sequester for a low paid single mother I know who works for the DoD and has a child with severe medical issues, let me know.
I've heard that the tours are self-directed. The money in question is for some 30 Secret Service agents.
But these are details. Bolling and Hannity are calling out the White House. Let's see if the WH Press Corps dares to bring this up at the next event.
Hit the abuse button on yourself, explain what you want and the Mod will probably fix it for you.
A lot of people on FR have been severely hurt by the economy in the last four years. It's not that we don't feel sympathy for your friend, it's just that the Sequester battle is making Obama look like a fool. He approval is already dropping as a result of his doomsday prophesies.
Thanks for the tip. But I already linked a related thread to this one so I don't want to foul it up.
Eh, I'm not going to worry about it. If somebody else makes a real article about this and Drudge links to that article, we'll have at least half a dozen links in the news section to that article within an hour. :-)
That would be an example of a "false dilemma".
There's not just one way to help people out.
You have a lot more confidence in the low information voter than I. No doubt this will all be covered up or spun somehow by the mainstream media.
You complained so I was trying to help. You can always put a new link in the other thread.
Oh no I sincerely appreciate your help; I wasn't minimizing it at all.
I botched it in the beginning and I botched it again by linking to it before you offered your help — which I will keep in mind for the future.
So any effort without a 100% guarantee of success just isn't worth trying? Maybe Hannity and Bolling could cough up $85 billion and cover the entire Sequester "shortfall!?!"
Not a problem! :-)
There's already some poo-poo-ing right here on this thread, so you might be right. The spin from the usual suspects on MSLSD might take that form.
If you know a person in such dire straits, it's up to you to help her.
Boling is offering his help to the students who have sponsored bake sales and car washes to come to D. C. His offer will be appreciated and remembered by those children for years. Don't put down the kindness of others.
I saw Eric's offer - that's some big league stepping up! And good for Hannity, too. I liked Andrea Tantaros' suggestion that Dear Reader chip in some campaign funds. But no, as the banana republic general wannabe, he'd never do that.
I can;t even afford to eat out [feels sad] but he did work for it and got the breaks and chose the right path unlike me and good for Bolling to have said this.
I't is not bozo;s house, it;s our house and while the stooges and Judas's in our party had dinner with this clown and Paul was raising awareness to the rule of law the kids in DC were not allowed to enter OUR HOUSE, the peoples house
Yah you might be right. From another thread:
From the Jimmy Kimmel show: "Do you agree with Obama's decision to pardon the sequester and send it to Portugal?"
just got back from Chic Fil A and the black woman working there was talkiong to me and talk about low info voter.
She said how Enlgand does eevrything right and I told her not the health care they don;t.
She then said she thought tey did but at lease Canada has good health care to which I told her that they do not and many come here.
She then told me she watches Piers Morgan, the man , the loon who is hated back in England and I told her that.
She told me he can;t make stories up because there are fact checkers.
I left as I was never going to get any info into her head, thick as two short planks and to think she votes.
My youngest who is 10 said to me as we left"Dad , she can;t vote can she as she doens;t know anything?"
Sadly I replied "yes she can"
"I will absolutely write the check if they open the doors next week."
Why in the world would anyone want to send money to the White Hut????
I'd pay good hard currency to see it shut down with the power off. Keep that marxist dictator at bay along with his teleprompter. For at least a week so we don't have to hear is arrogant pie hole rambling on about black flag furloughs.
LOL at a sequester killed my parents...
Isn't that about equal to what Obama (taxpayers) pay for a round of golf for him and his friends?
Someone should point out what a small percentage of one of his 'trips' this is.
Rush could sponsor a bake sale.
Wow Dan's Bake Sale.
Had forgotten about that one.
It was HUGE !!
If we did one in DC, it might even get mentioned by the MSM.
I pay taxes as well. So does my friend who doesn't take handouts, but works. Using your twisted, sick "logic", every woman who built B-25s, tanks, or ships during WW II was some sort of moocher. Incredible. Just incredible.
But, no one has been furloughed yet. Medical is still in tact.
Isn't it fascinating that Obama's sequester has terminated tours of "the people's House (WH)", but not Obama's endles golf games all acros the country or DHS' purchase of bazillions of rounds of ammo to kep us from being able to purchase it??
The random arbitrariness of what is affected by the sequester reminds me of the items prohibited for sale on Sundays under the old "blue"laws.
Oh don't worry, they will be.
One day every two weeks. I predict one month. That's two days total. She will be fine. It's two days she can spend with her child.
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Sky pilot, I am concerned about your friend. These are hard times and we the people are paying for the lack of budget responsibility. Look at the various countries whose citizens went to the streets when cuts were made. Yea, these groups are made up of individuals. But, we need to ride this out. Be support to your friend. Find out where her struggles are and see how she can handle this crisis. It sounds like she is full of anxiety over this. Being upset about an impending situation doesn't help matters. It only adds to the stress. She needs to sit down and figure out her finances by period. Sometimes it helps to write it down than to just view a problem as a whole. Take each pay period as it comes, maybe a small loan from her tsp if all he'll breaks loose. But, this isn't going to last long, I don't believe so at all.
"on Tuesday, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R) of Texas offered an amendment to the omnibus spending bill that the House is currently considering. None of the money authorized by this continuing resolution may be used to transport the President to or from a golf course until public tours of the White House resume, read Representative Gohmerts amendment. "
White House tours represent non-essential government spending. If we save money not doing those tours, then I'm not gonna cry over some schoolkids not getting a tour of the White House.
I want the government OUT of the business of paying for non-essential items. In fact if you were to have categories called essential, supportive, and frivolous, White House tours would be in the frivolous spending category.
Along comes Fox News and offers MORE money to take these tours, and that ties in exactly with Obama's message that he needs MORE money (more TAXES).
Dumb stunt by Bolling to give Obama a talking point that suggests more money is needed.
How many letters have you written to the Obama administration complaining about this instead of posting it on FreeRepublic?
Rep Gohmert is becoming one of my favorite Texas representatives. Unfortunately, he's not in my district so I can support him, but I love the fact that he is a constant pain in zero's nasty butt!
His amendment probably won't go anywhere, but I'd love it if it did. Even though I know it would never happen, I have this great fantasy of zero getting felt up by the TSA as he boards a commercial flight to go play golf somewhere. Then, they decide to confiscate half the contents of his golf bag because it's all contraband!
Oh, well, I can dream, can't I?
I must be psychic!! :)
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Dance the night away with the perfectly sized lightweight Nine West Flashlight Small Cross Body Bag. This great little handbag is perfect for a hassle free night of fun!
- Faux leather cross body bag with sequin overlay
- Top zip closure
- Faux leather strap adjusts to 23" drop
- Colored leopard print under tone
- Fabric lining with zip pocket and slip pocket
- Dimensions 9½" x 1" x 6"
- Imported
By: Laur77
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
January 14, 2013
So Versatile
"I love this purse, it's small enough to not get too heavy, but yet large enough to carry the essentials for a night out or a shopping trip. I love all the colors in it, with the black straps, I can wear it with almost anything!"
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Feb. 08 : 06 Days to V'Day
Did you know that chocolate has long been considered an aphrodisiac?
The Aztec emperor Montezuma drank ground cocoa beans to increase his sexual prowess. In Mesoamerican marriage ceremonies, the couple shared a ritual cup of cocoa, which was believed to increase their luck in love.
Did you know that chocolate has been sold commercially since at least the late 1600s?
That's when chocolate emporiums began opening across Europe, serving up cocoa baked into cakes and eventually into candies. Then in the 1800s, famous British chocolatier Richard Cadbury upped the ante by selling chocolates in a heart-shaped box, giving birth to a Valentine's Day cliché!
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