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Skip to comments.Fossil Discovery: More Evidence for Asia, Not Africa, as the Source of Earliest Anthropoid Primates
Posted on 06/07/2012 2:49:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
An international team of researchers has announced the discovery of Afrasia djijidae, a new fossil primate from Myanmar that illuminates a critical step in the evolution of early anthropoids -- the group that includes humans, apes, and monkeys. The 37-million-year-old Afrasia closely resembles another early anthropoid, Afrotarsius libycus, recently discovered at a site of similar age in the Sahara Desert of Libya.
The close similarity between Afrasia and Afrotarsius indicates that early anthropoids colonized Africa only shortly before the time when these animals lived. The colonization of Africa by early anthropoids was a pivotal step in primate and human evolution, because it set the stage for the later evolution of more advanced apes and humans there.
The scientific paper describing the discovery appears June 4 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For decades, scientists thought that anthropoid evolution was rooted in Africa. However, more recent fossil discoveries in China, Myanmar, and other Asian countries have rapidly altered scientific opinion about where this group of distant human ancestors first evolved. Afrasia is the latest in a series of fossil discoveries that are overturning the concept of Africa as the starting point for anthropoid primate evolution.
"Not only does Afrasia help seal the case that anthropoids first evolved in Asia, it also tells us when our anthropoid ancestors first made their way to Africa, where they continued to evolve into apes and humans," says Chris Beard, Carnegie Museum of Natural History paleontologist and member of the discovery team that also included researchers from Myanmar, Thailand, and France.
Beard is renowned for his extensive work on primate evolution and anthropoid origins. "Afrasia is a game-changer because for the first time it signals when our distant ancestors initially colonized Africa."
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Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Our stock apparently rose much higher than Moochelle's ire June 4th when it was determined we are much more closely related to an Asian ancestor. Cool, now we have a budget surplus and kids with a huge work ethic. What a big difference a few days make!
This research is racist.
RE: This research is racist.
Racism: The doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.
In what sense does this research meet the above definition?
Yes. It's saying that humans came from Asia not Africa which makes Asians superior to Africans.
RE: Its saying that humans came from Asia not Africa which makes Asians superior to Africans.
How does the conclusion follow from this observation?
They came first.
OK< they came first, but how does that lead to the conclusion that those who came first are genetically superior?
RE: Your definition said nothing about being genetically superior.
OK, let's take the word, "genetically" away... how does being first make one SUPERIOR?
My father came after my grandfather, yet, by my observation (and our family's observation), he was taller, stronger, faster and even smarter that his old man.
Even my grandfather concedes this.
Racism: The doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.
But the human race is superior to all others.
Racism: The doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.
But the human race is superior to all others.
Are you sure?
You're wound up really tight aren't you?
That looks like Chris Bosch.
RE: Youre wound up really tight arent you?
Just following an argument to its logical conclusion...
Making an argument from a facetious comment isn't logical it's neurotic.
Being far from an expert on any of it - I find molecular biology very difficult, even for its frequent deemphasis of God - yet I can't help but be moved by some of the argumentation contained therein.
From the Wiki entry, for example on "Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroup":
Understanding the evolutionary path of the female lineage has helped population geneticists trace the matrilineal inheritance of modern humans back to human origins in Africa and the subsequent spread across the globe.
The letter names of the haplogroups run from A to Z. As haplogroups were named in the order of their discovery, they do not reflect the actual genetic relationships.
The woman at the root of all these groups is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) for all currently living humans. She is commonly called Mitochondrial Eve.
It's very compelling, and unless one is a "young Earth creationist", which I'm not, nonetheless the "Glory of God" shows forth very clearly to me in these datum, although certainly not conclusive - as good science never really is - yet it can't help but challenge my faculties at least, such as they may be.
RE: Making an argument from a facetious comment isnt logical its neurotic.
Why? we can always assume that the comment is serious... it is always an exercise for the mind.
Dang asteroid missed one!
|GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks SeekAndFind.To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.The Scars of Evolution:"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"
This study is motivated by racism. Why? Because it attempts to reorder the 'settled' science about where humans evolved from Africa to Asia. [sarcasm/]
If we all came from asia, when did our wieners get so big?
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It's been a long and winding road, but the Colorado General Assembly has finally passed a driving-stoned standard for motorists.
The measure — which is expected to be signed into law by Gov. John Hickenlooper — establishes a marijuana blood standard by which it is illegal to operate a vehicle.
"Smoke and walk. Smoke and take the bus. Smoke and grab a cab. Smoke and call a friend. Smoke and ride a horse. Smoke and take the light rail," said Sen. Steve King, R-Grand Junction, a bill sponsor, during a recent Senate debate. "Just don't smoke and drive. Your life and every other citizen's life on the highway is at risk.
The bill passed the Senate May 7 on a 23-12 vote, after it had previously cleared the House by an even wider margin.
The bill limits drivers to five nanograms per milliliter of blood for active THC, marijuana's psychoactive ingredient.
But that limit would be known as a "permissible inference" standard by which a person is considered to be under the influence of the drug. However, a defendant can rebut in court whether he or she was actually impaired.
That's different from a strict "per se" standard, such as the 0.08 percent blood-alcohol concentration used to prosecute drunken drivers.
Opposition to the bill knew no party lines. Sen. Pat Steadman, D-Denver, voted no on the legislation, arguing that there are laws already on the books that make it illegal for people to drive while impaired.
"What's the problem we're trying to solve here?" Steadman said.
And Sen. Kevin Lundberg, R-Berthoud, cautioned that a driving-stoned limit could lead to "too many false positives," due to residual amounts of the drug being in the bloodstream of a person who regularly smokes the drug, but may not have been stoned behind the wheel at the time of arrest.
"We should not be convicting people who are not guilty of driving while impaired," Lundberg said.
Sen. Andy Kerr, D-Lakewood, had voted no on setting stoned-driving limits in the past, but voted yes on this "reasonable" piece of legislation, this time around.
"With all of the lines we have to draw here at the Capitol … I think we have to draw a line at some point (on driving stoned)," Kerr said.
Members of the Capitol press corps dubbed the effort the "zombie bill" because it continued to surface at the legislature, in spite of having suffered multiple deaths.
The bill had failed four times in previous years — and it even suffered two separate deaths before it finally passed this session.
The original bill passed the House, but failed in a Senate committee. A driving-stoned standard was then tacked on in the form of an amendment to an Amendment 64 regulation bill, before it was stripped from that legislation by a separate committee.
The bill's House sponsors were House Minority Leader Mark Waller, R-Colorado Springs, and Rep. Rhonda Fields, D-Aurora.

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We should be so lucky.I wonder if that TV channel has live streaming....
We should be so lucky.I wonder if that TV channel has live streaming....
Me, too! I'm mighty annoyed.I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little annoyed/disappointed that no where is covering the event. It's a big deal!
Is this the same somebody already offered:
I have no idea where it works, it was just said on Finnish figure skaters official site, that you can watch the competition there.
New videos available now:
http://www.wcjunior.com/multimedia/video/ :
Highlights Junior Worlds Day 2
Interview with Sui and Han
Quote from www.isu.org: (at the end of the report about day 2)
"For more information, full entry lists and results please see: www.isu.org and http://www.wcjunior.com/. There are videos of competition highlights available on the event website as well."
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Occitan language
From Conservapedia
The Occitan language is spoken in the south of France, in Northwestern Italy and some areas of Spain. There also is an enclave in Southern Italy. It evolved (changed over time) from medieval French, but is now more closely related to the Catalan language of nearby Catalonia, Spain.


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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Heavy rain, powerful winds and large hail pounded parts of Minnesota as a severe thunderstorm rolled through.
The National Weather Service had reports of 2-inch hail south of Cambridge and 1-inch hail and heavy rain southeast of Monticello Thursday. The weather service says strong winds in Hutchinson toppled a tree which landed on a vehicle and caused minor injuries to one person.
The high wind also caused trees to fall in northern Chisago County with one hitting a house southwest of Rush City.
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In addition they had some sort of gyroscope mechanism ( or something like that ) that kept the RR logo in the center cap of the wheel always in the upright position ( as pictured ) . This would be even when driving too. So it appeared that the RR center cap logo was not revolving when the car was driving and always looked like it does in the picture below
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I used to play these games around 10 years ago or more, and without any other option available I had a second partition with windows 98 as "game station", somewhere I should still have the original boxes and perhaps I should start to search for them, because now they have (finally !!) arrived on Linux.
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Really beautiful and thought out set, Pooblah. I am guessing that maybe this was custom made for you by Petr ... and you requested the white interior glazing which is very functional and a striking contrast to the shino. I love how the white runs down the side so seemingly random ... but likely planned.


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Debates of April 21st, 2004
House of Commons Hansard #38 of the 37th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament's site.) The word of the day was land.
- Agriculture
- Government of Canada
- Member for Thornhill
- Badminton
- Compton—Stanstead
- Taxation
- Bill C-260
- Rail Transportation
- Louise Arbour and Guy Laliberté
- Rural Communities
- Seniors
- Women Voters
- National Volunteer Week
- Mental Health
- Military Heritage
- Stan Darling
- Queen Elizabeth II
- Government Contracts
- Taxation
- Lobbyists
- Government Contracts
- Health
- Older Workers
- Government Contracts
- Health
- Foreign Affairs
- Government Contracts
- Public Service
- Technology Partnerships Canada
- Music Industry
- RCMP Pension Fund
- Agriculture
- National Drug Strategy
- National Unity Fund
- Public Works and Government Services
- Ethics Commissioner
- Committees of the House
- Government Response to Petitions
- Committees of the House
- Old Age Security Act
- Income Tax Act
- Public Service Commission
- Petitions
- Questions on the Order Paper
- Question No. 55
- Question No. 57
- Question No. 59
- Question No. 61
- Question No. 69
- Questions Passed as Orders for Returns
- Question No. 58
- Question No. 68
- Question No. 71
- Motions for Papers
- Tlicho Land Claims and Self-Government Act
- Criminal Code
- Budget Implementation Act, 2004
- Westbank First Nation Self-Government Act
- Tlicho Land Claims and Self-Government Act
- The Armenian People
2 p.m.
The Speaker
As is our practice on Wednesday we will now sing O Canada, and we will be led by the hon. member for Saint John.
[Editor's Note: Members sang the national anthem]
Statements By Members
2 p.m.
Peter Adams Peterborough, ON
Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister will be meeting with President Bush toward the end of this month.
Although there has been improvement in the BSE situation, I hope he will use this meeting, as he has in the past, to urge that the Canada-U.S. border be opened to all Canadian beef and other ruminant products, including livestock.
Most people now realize that the closing of the border had little or nothing to do with health or science.
A single animal with BSE that did not even get into the food chain in Canada and a single animal in the United States triggered a massive and disproportionate response.
It made little difference that both animals were rapidly traced. It made little difference that the U.S. and Canadian herds are genetically one and the same. It made little difference that international experts ruled that the border closing was unnecessary.
I urge the Prime Minister to convey such arguments to Mr. Bush and to stress that the border should be completely opened immediately.
The BSE crisis has been a tragedy for farm families across Canada.
Government of Canada
Statements By Members
2 p.m.
Progressive Conservative
Bill Casey Cumberland—Colchester, NS
Mr. Speaker, Canadians should be reminded about how this Liberal government has had to make serious corrections after their policies turned out to be highly inequitable and simply unfair.
First, the Liberals provided hep C funding for a very limited group of people: those infected between 1986 and 1990. Finally, they had to expand the funding program after an outcry from victims and their supporters.
Then the Liberals expanded the veterans independence program to support widows if their spouse passed away on or after May 12, 2003. However, all those widows whose spouses died prior to May 12 were simply disqualified from those programs. Following yet another outcry, the Liberals were forced to make changes again.
And now our troops. The Liberals have given needed tax breaks to some troops, just some troops, for serving in dangerous areas but denied many others the same consideration. Again, they had to retreat and expand the program after the troops demanded fair treatment.
The Liberals should apply the principle of equality in all cases and stop trying to cheat Canadians who need the help when they need it the most.
Member for Thornhill
Statements By Members
2 p.m.
Sophia Leung Vancouver Kingsway, BC
Mr. Speaker, over 25 year ago, the hon. member for Thornhill saw a need to improve her community. Being a woman of action, she made a public commitment to her family and neighbours and was elected to the North York municipal council in 1978.
The hon. member was elected to represent the people of Oriole in the Ontario legislature between 1985 to 1997. As a member of a provincial parliament, she became the first Jewish woman to become a minister in Canada.
In 1997 the hon. member was elected in the newly created riding of Thornhill. For seven years she has spoken with passion and conviction, representing the views of her constituents here in the House of Commons.
In 1999 the hon. member for Thornhill became the first Jewish woman to serve as a federal cabinet minister when she was named Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, and was appointed to cabinet a second time in 2002 as Minister of National Revenue.
For 25 years she has been a strong voice for her community and her--
Member for Thornhill
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
The Speaker
The hon. member for Parkdale—High Park.
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Sarmite Bulte Parkdale—High Park, ON
Mr. Speaker, on Monday, April 12, 2004, I had the privilege of participating in the opening ceremonies of the 2004 Junior National Badminton Championships hosted by the Boulevard Club in my riding.
Keith Arthur, head coach at the club, and Stan Viezner, the tournament chair, hosted perhaps the most successful junior badminton tournament to date.
The theme for this year's tournament was "Playin' Proud" which reflects the individual efforts that all participants have made in dedication, commitment, discipline and fitness in order to compete at this level.
The week long event featured 217 of the best Canadian badminton players in the under 14 and under 16 age categories, representing eight different provinces.
There were 10 main events, with singles, doubles and mixed categories in each group. Ontario managed the top spot with six gold medals.
I wish to congratulate all those who participated in the under 14 and under 16 Junior National Badminton Championships.
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
David Price Compton—Stanstead, QC
Mr. Speaker, let me talk about Compton--Stanstead, the jewel of Quebec's eastern townships.
Do members know that Compton--Stanstead is the home of some great Canadians? Why one of Canada's greatest prime ministers, the Right Hon. Louis St. Laurent, called it home. In fact our current Prime Minister is our neighbour.
Folksinger David Francy, who just won another Juno Award, writes his award winning music from the inspiration drawn from its beauty and cultural harmony.
A little-known fact is that Bishops College School is home to Canada's oldest cadet corps. This year it will be celebrating 125 years.
Did I mention it is also the home of the Hon. Jean Charest, the Premier of Quebec; the Hon. Monique Gagnon-Tremblay, the Deputy Premier; and the Hon. Pierre Reid, Quebec's Minister of Education?
Even Hollywood is getting in on the act. Veteran Hollywood actor Donald Sutherland has a home there.
On top of all that, Compton--Stanstead is surrounded by some of the finest members in the House, such as the member for Shefford, the member for Frontenac—Mégantic and the member for Brome—Missisquoi.
Mr. Speaker, even you have sampled this wonderful corner of Quebec, Compton—Stanstead.
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
Canadian Alliance
Garry Breitkreuz Yorkton—Melville, SK
Mr. Speaker, the release of Monday's Statistics Canada report on the birth rate in the country should send a loud, clear message to the Liberal government.
Families are being forced to have fewer children because they cannot afford to be a single income family and cannot afford day care or even find day care.
The solution is simple: provide equal tax breaks for parents who choose to raise their own children. Parents should be given the option to raise their children at home without incurring a financial penalty.
Do we not trust parents to make the right choices for the children they love? The benefits would be astounding if we did. We could see the job market open as parents leave formal employment in favour of raising their children, waiting lists at day care centres would evaporate, and the birth rate would most certainly increase.
Our children, however, would receive the greatest benefit, as they would be brought up in the most nurturing environment, their own homes.
Instead of punishing stay at home parents, why not provide equal tax treatment to those who choose their families over their careers?
Bill C-260
Statements By Members
2:05 p.m.
John McKay Scarborough East, ON
Mr. Speaker, it is my happy task to thank a number of colleagues and supporters for their assistance on Bill C-260, an act to amend the Hazardous Products Act (fire-safe cigarettes). As we know, to take a bill from first reading through to royal assent requires a lot of hard work, patience and cooperation.
I would like to thank the Deputy Prime Minister, who was then the Minister of Health, and her parliamentary secretary, the member for Madawaska—Restigouche. As well, when the current Minister of Health took over the portfolio, he immediately saw the health and safety benefits of the bill.
I also want to thank the critic for the Alliance Party, the member for Yellowhead, the critic from the Bloc Québécois, the member for Hochelaga—Maisonneuve, the critic for the NDP, the member for Churchill, and the critic from the Progressive Conservatives, the member for New Brunswick Southwest.
The chair of the health committee, the member for Oakville, was very helpful in freeing up time for the committee. In the Senate, the ultimate sponsor was Senator Morin, who was very helpful, as were Senator Smith and Senator Kenny. I am running out of time, Mr. Speaker, and I will have to--
Bill C-260
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
The Speaker
The hon. member for Drummond.
Rail Transportation
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Pauline Picard Drummond, QC
Mr. Speaker, yesterday I learned that as of Saturday, Canadian National will begin work to extend a siding into the city limits of Drummondville.
The line will be 12,000 feet long, will cross Notre-Dame street near downtown, and will make it possible for a train capable of carrying dangerous goods to remain there for a period of 30 to 60 minutes, and disrupt traffic.
CN's own representatives admit that Drummondville will be the only city expected to live with such a situation in a highly urbanized area.
The people of Drummond remember the rail accidents at Saint-Basile-le-Grand and Saint-Hilaire and fear for their safety and their environment.
For these reasons, I call on the Minister of Transport to intervene and have the authority already granted to Canadian Nation suspended, in order to force the company to rethink this project.
I am in favour of improved rail service, but not at the expense of the quality of life of the people of Drummond and their environment.
Louise Arbour and Guy Laliberté
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Claude Duplain Portneuf, QC
Mr. Speaker, this week it was revealed that two Quebeckers are on Time magazine's list of the 100 most influential people in the world.
Guy Laliberté, president and founder of the Cirque du Soleil, and Louise Arbour, United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, have made their marks in their respective fields on a worldwide scale. With his creativity, Mr. Laliberté has reinvented the world of the circus. Young and old all over the world have been amazed by the theatricality, athleticism and parallel reality in the Cirque du Soleil.
Ms. Arbour is recognized throughout the world as a leading light in international law. This brave and tenacious woman was able to bring Yugoslavian President Slobodan Milosevic to justice for war crimes in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Canadians are proud of their fellow citizens. I would like to thank and congratulate Ms. Arbour and Mr. Laliberté for their accomplishments.
Rural Communities
Statements By Members
2:10 p.m.
Progressive Conservative
Rick Borotsik Brandon—Souris, MB
Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk about a spirited member of my constituency, Deloraine's Lionel Laval, a volunteer whose work and community service have contributed to the growth and prosperity of southwestern Manitoba.
Lionel has always had a keen sense of community. Lending a hand to his church, school board, the Lions Club, numerous sports teams and the Chamber of Commerce, Lionel pitches in no matter what the project.
While Lionel Laval stands out in his community, he is not entirely a one of a kind person. In reality, he is the epitome of rural Canada, devoted to his community, its prosperity and its future. Rural Manitoba has many such devoted people.
Lionel would agree that rural life infuses people with a sense of belonging. It is a common thread that runs through rural Canada, a thread that weaves a strong fabric.
Lionel will be embarrassed when I tell him about this statement but that is just the kind of guy he is. Lionel does not do it for the glory or the recognition. What drives Lionel comes from somewhere deep inside him, a kind of pride found in the hearts of rural and small town Canadians.
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Yolande Thibeault Saint-Lambert, QC
Mr. Speaker, some of Canada's best successes are its policies on seniors. They include, in particular, the retirement income system and programs to reduce the number of low income seniors by 90%.
We have improved seniors' quality of life, as the following facts prove.
We are the only G-7 country with a perfectly balanced public pension plan, the long term sustainability of which has been proven by experts.
Seniors in Canada benefit from our five year plan to cut taxes and grant over $2 billion per year in tax credits, such as the age credit and the pension income credit.
We fund the New Horizons program for seniors to enable them to lead active lives and contribute to their communities.
There are fewer seniors living below the poverty line than any other group in Canada. This Liberal government believes that it is critical for seniors to remain in good health—
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Skip to comments.The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations
Posted on 01/24/2004 2:31:12 AM PST by dennisw
The Agenda of Islam - A War Between Civilizations
Professor Moshe Sharon- Wednesday 24th Dec 2003
The war has started a long time ago between two civilizations - between the civilization based on the Bible and between the civilization based on the Koran. And this must be clear.
There is no fundamental Islam.
"Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.
All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.
The Language of Islam
You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.
Driving Principles of Islam
Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one God.
But it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem.
But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.
The Bible
Let me explain the difference.
The Bible is the creation of the spirit of a nation over a very, very long period, if we talk from the point of view of the scholar, and let me remain scholarly. But there is one thing that is important in the Bible. It leads to salvation. It leads to salvation in two ways.
In Judaism, it leads to national salvation - not just a nation that wants to have a state, but a nation that wants to serve God. That's the idea behind the Hebrew text of the Bible.
The New Testament that took the Hebrew Bible moves us toward personal salvation. So we have got these two kinds of salvation, which, from time to time, meet each other.
But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.
Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honouring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.
The Essence of Islam
Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world.
Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sings, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."
The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam.
When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day.
Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems
Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Moslems.
Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel - namely the New Testament.
The Bible vs. the Koran
Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran?
Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for now].
Nevertheless, the laws a very clear - Jews and Christians have no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under Islamic rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for them.
Islamic Rule and Jihad
What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad. Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians.
A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the world by bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia were no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.
Two Houses
The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which as to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule.
This is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all other religions.
Islamic Law
Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict. In fundamentals, there are no differences between schools of law.
However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws.
The strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war.
There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed in war.
These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is extremely strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist powers. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.
Islam and Territory
This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic.
This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important.
The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created.
Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important - this is an eternal word between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This was is there because it was created by Allah. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.
Islam and Peace
Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem.
With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins.
The two civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel.
Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and civilization.
A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did."
Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext.
Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years.
Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement].
In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms.
Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice
What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too strong. It is a tactical choice.
Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg.
When western policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of politics."
Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt about that.
Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years since the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea, the deterrent power.
Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War
The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.
What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?
Islamic Infiltration
Furthermore, there is another fact that must be remembered. The Islamic world has not only the attitude of open war, but there's also war by infiltration.
One of the things which the western world is not paying enough attention to is the tremendous growth of Islamic power in the western world. What happened in America and the Twin Towers is not something that came from the outside. And if America doesn't wake up, one day the Americans will find themselves in a chemical war and most likely in an atomic war - inside the U.S.
End of Days
It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days.
In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth.
Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision.
I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory.
Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.
The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. They Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam.
Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War?
The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will happen to our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war?
The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet.
But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is anathema.
And (this is the worse) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.
I believe that Western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual Christians who see this as the road to salvation.
Merriam-Webster Online
Main Entry: Constantinople
Usage: geographical name
-- see ISTANBUL
and ... Rome. They don't like it one bit that the seat of Catholicism is on territory briefly occupied by Muslim invaders.
When was Rome occupied by Muslim invaders? That seems fairly significant, can't understand how I could have missed that one.
Had enuf of the DemonRatRepubPolitiConScambos?...Then Follow this Party...:
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The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet.
He's got that right.
I answered similarly on another FR thread;
We had 16 or so well to do and educated Saudis kill themselves by flying the planes into the twin towers,and Pentagon. It wasn't done out of desperation.
It was what God wanted done. And there is no better motivation than that, and it's not going away ever.. - tom
OK, I'll confuse them with Evil, Treasonist DemonRats...(before you Bushies flame away, please read this link)
'Another Fine Bureaucratic Mess'...by J.R. Nyquist
PS...it's about Immigration Corruption...and it starts at The Top
In 846 Arabs appeared at the mouth of the Tiber. Their fleet forced its way past the fortifications at Ostia and moved on Rome. The great church of St. Peter was sacked but the city was not taken.
Very interesting. Thanks!
You can't confuse the Bushies with the socialists(dems) The Bushies will not take orders from the UN. The Bushies will attack terror prone countries like Afghanistan and Iraq. The Bushies will defend the country against terror by not allowing non - citizens to hide behind our laws. The Socialists (Dems) wouldn't do that.
But obviously the Bushies immigration stance is wrong, as is portraying Islam as a religion of peace or saying we all worship the same God.
The point of my tagline is a lot of republicans think of George Bush as a Republican. I don't think he is.(Doesn't makehim a bad guy).
Also many people do not realize the democrat party had been taken over by the socialists.
Democrats would be people like Zell Miller and John Breaux. Neither one would have a chance at a presidential nomination from the socialists. So stop thinking of the Bushies as republicans and you won't be so disapponted in immigration and religious statements coming from the President. - Tom
OK, since the Bushies are 'Fake' Republicans, then that is even More reason to NOT VOTE for them...
A few points Luis. First, how reliable is your intelligence if you forget it's been less than a hundred years since "absolute" genocide was pursued by a world power. Your first point is nothing but shaking incredulity.
Next, your "'Islam' has no agenda" carries all the weight of "there is no left-wing media conspiracy." True enough on it's face, but critics never claimed it was a conspiracy. They claim it's a "consensus."
If there is no consensus between moslems on what the Koran commands, evidenced by cooperation with non-moslems, then you have a point. If not, you're making a distinction without difference.
Finally, the enemy has been reliably identified. Your "failed miserably" is just a smoke-screen, because you are unwilling to admit the enemy's size.
And please don't insult my intelligence by inferring something other than what we did with Germany and Japan as a corrective.
It's not that the Bushies are fake republicans it is that their agenda is different than both the republicans and socialists.
When you run for President you have to have a "D" or an "R" behind your name on the ballot to be elected.
The socialists went for the "D" and the Bushies went for the "R" ,One difference is the socialists have the democrat party from top to bottom and the Bushies have the top part of the republican party with a lot of confused republicans below them.
Bush's Immigration policy is a reason not to vote for him but there is never a reason to vote for the socialists (Dems).
Isn't that about what the communists believe too?
Is that so?...well read the following...
'America Needs the United Nations in Iraq'...from the CFR Website
There's more: proof that the Bushies are CFR...
'A CFR Member Behind Every Bush'... By The New American
FR Tread on UN & Bush 9-10-03...Not complimentary to the Bushies...excerpt...
To: republicanwizard
Bush still acquiesces to the wishes of the UN. I wish he wouldn't, but he does.
75 posted on 09/10/2003 10:05:26 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]
Please see my post #52, this thread.
I believe in the long run Bush will outflank the UN to our benefit.
This is a thread about Islam. So remember. Allah is God, Mohammed is his prophet. Convert or dominate the infidels . If you can't do that- kill them. - Tom
In order for your ridiculous assertion to work, you would have to convince me that all Germans pursued absolute genocide, a weak argument in light of the fact that they were busy killing Germans right along.
Radical, fundamentalist Islam has an agenda, and part of it is to pull blinders over the eyes of people such as yourself, it appears that they've done a good job on you.
Islam in and of itself, has no "agenda", and there is no more of a left wing media conspiracy any more than there is a vast right wing one, your tin foil is on too tight, there are media outlets whose editors and management has a left-wing point of view, and there are media outlets whose editors and management hold a right-wing point of view on issues.
In the case of Germany and Japan, we fought a conventional war against conventional governments, this is not the case here, and if it actually was, we would be fighting a billion people world-wide...we are not.
The enemy is easily identified, Muslim extremism, and the useful idiots on our side whose ignorance would escalate this into a war of religions.
What an ourageous statement!
Laughable on its face!
Islam is death for Christians and Jews. It is spelled out in the koran.
'muslim extremists' are devout muslims and Dr. Daniel Pipes estimates there are 150,000,000 million of them!
The Muslim Bible commands Muslims to murder all non-Muslims:
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
I wonder what you think the major difference is between Mein Kampf and the Koran, aside from the fact that Hitler neglected to suggest that he took dictation from an angel.
Neither socialism or nativism actively promote genocide, or world domination
You cannot be serious!
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot would be in both the Socialist Hall of Fame, and the Mass Murder Hall of Fame. You think there's no connection? Who are the peaceful socialists? Castro? Mugabe?
Once Hitler, and his armies were defeated, the threat ended.
And the same would have been true of Muhammed if he had been defeated early on. If Hitler had not been defeated by US, there would undoubtedly be a lot of people shouting Seig Heil in Europe, at least, today.
Once bin Laden, and his Muslim extremism supporters have been captured and defeated, the current threat will end.
Ever hear of Abu Nidal? How come it didn't end with him? Bin Laden is no more critical to jihad than Pope John Paul II is to the Church's position on abortion.
There are roughly 1 billion MusLims in the world, so even the 150 million figure (I've been invited to and attended several of his Pipe's on the subject) is a small fraction of the total Muslims of the world, if you are insinuating that defeating the extremist minority is not sufficient to end the threat, then you are advocating genocide, and you are as inherently evil as the most evil Muslim extremist.
"Islam is death for Christians and Jews. It is spelled out in the Koran."
Oh, is it?
"...And nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say: 'We are Christians': because among these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world. And they are not arrogant." (The Holy Qur'an 5:82)
Muslim extremists rely on the ignorance of the people of backward countries, they actually fight any attempt at educating the masses because an educated populace, able to read the Holy Qur'an, would unveil their lies.
Equally ignorant, are those on our side of the issue, who believe the parsed bits of the Qur'an passed about on the Internet.
The Holy Qur'an does instruct Muslims to fight anyone who tries to oppress them for being Muslims.
Ignorance is a Muslim extremist strongest ally, both in Muslim countries, and here.
You've obviously have read neither, thus your ignorance.
"Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot...Castro, Mugabe..."
You can't tell the difference between extremism and mainstream, can you?
Let's do things your way...
Christianity is an evil religion, it promotes genocide (read Leviticus) promotes hatred (proven by the teachings of Christian Identity, The World church of The Creator, and The Ku Klux Klan) and practices child abuse as witnessed by the yearly murder of one million unborn.
"Bin Laden is no more critical to jihad..."
The Pope sets the Catholic Church's position on abortion, bin Laden has no authority to enact a jihad.
As I said, ignorance is a Muslim extremist's best ally.
That "small fraction" is 12.5% of the muslim population - again using Pipes' numbers. 150,000,000 muslim terrrorists and muslim terrorism supporters is a HUGE problem.
I see you are part of the "you're advocating genocide" crowd. Funny, I haven't debated a single muslim extremist who hasn't used that approach.
islam is a satanic cult of death and destruction.
The 'secret' is out.
Theoretically speaking? Yes.
Unless the very last Muslim happens to renounce the tenets of the Koran before turning out the lights.
We were not engaged in "genocide" when we killed lots of Germans and Japanese 60 years ago. We were following the advice of the Talmud which says: If someone comes to kill you, kill him first.
The Jews were never a threat to the Nazis when Hitler wrote Mein Kampf. They weren't coming to kill Germans. And we Americans weren't coming to kill Muslims. But the Germans and the Muslims killed indiscriminately anyway. That's genocide. I hope we won't be as stupid as the Jews of Europe were, but with our current leadership it looks as if we might.
So absurd a statement that it's scary. But then again, considering your agendae, I'm not surprised.
You mean like viahavta larayach chomcha? That's "Love your neighbor as yourself" at 19:18. That's pretty typical of the laws that deal with relationships with other persons that are found in Leviticus. (Be kind to the stranger because you were once strangers in the land of Egypt. I might be misquoting, but that's the idea.) I'm pretty surprised that you chose Leviticus, because I cannot now think of parts that might be described as promoting geneocide. Certainly there is some of that that can be found in a literal reading of some of the other books. But that's not how Christians and Jews live. You cannot easily find websites that promote themselves as Christian or Jewish (or any real religion) that advocate indiscriminate killing of non-coreligionists. But it's pretty hard not to come across Islasmic websites that advocate and/or glorify violence.
"Islam" does indeed have an agenda -- it's spelled out in the Qu'ran (and yes I have read it myself).
For "extremist Islamic fundamentalists" substitute "believing Muslims". Yes, there are people whose official religion is Islam, who are secular in outlook. These people may be peaceful, but it's purely because they are not really Muslim. This does not mean that they (or their children) won't experience a reawakening of Islamism.
The bottom line is that Islam, itself, is incompatible with Western civilization
As is true regarding most issues, Luis, you don't have a clue about the Islamic agenda beyond some vague community college-quality sense of it.
Islam has a definite and clear agenda. It would never have survived to control the territory and souls that it presently controls or formerly controlled for more than 1000 years if it lacked a definite and clear agenda. The extent to which each Muslim identifies with and supports the agenda is an open question, but the agenda itself is very clear.
"If we look at the sources and foundations of modern ways of living, it becomes clear that the whole world is steeped in Jahiliyya (pagan ignorance of divine guidance), and all the marvellous material comforts and high-level inventions do not diminish this Ignorance. This Jahiliyya is based on rebellion against God's sovereignty on earth: It transfers to man one of the greatest attributes of God, namely sovereignty, and makes some men lords over others. It is now not in that simple and primitive form of the ancient Jahiliyya, but takes the form of claiming that the right to create values, to legislate rules of collective behavior, and to choose any way of life rests with men, without regard to what God has prescribed. The result of this rebellion against the authority of God is the oppression of His creatures...
"The Islamic civilization can take various forms in its material and organizational structure, but the principles and values on which it is based are eternal and unchangeable. These are: the worship of God alone, the foundation of human relationships on the belief in the Unity of God, the supremacy of the humanity of man over material things, the development of human values and the control of animalistic desires, respect for the family, the assumption of the vice-regency of God on earth according to His guidance and instruction, and in all affairs of this vice-regency, the rule of God's law [al-Shari'a] and the way of life prescribed by Him . . .
"In the scale of God, the true weight is the weight of faith; in God's market the only commodity in demand is the commodity of faith. The highest form of triumph is the victory of soul over matter, the victory of belief over pain, and the victory of faith over persecution."- Sayyid Qtab
Not all Germans believed in genocide. All Nazis did
Not all people living in countries where Islam is the majority religion believe in the duty to kill to promote Islam. All PRACTICING, DEVOUT Muslims do. There's a difference between country-of-origin and ideology. Islam is an ideology
The way we dealt with National Socialism was to conquer and occupy the territory of the believers, and impose strict laws that no positive mention of Naziism was ever to be made, nor would children's indoctrination in Nazi ideology be tolerated. That instead the children of the Nazis were to be taught that Naziism was fundamentally evil. After a generation or two of occupation, Naziism as a threat was eradicated.
Britain is a welfare state that is going in the direction of socialism. Since there are still privately-owned industries, it is not socialist, per Marx's definition of socialism
The problem is that while the majority of the electorate would support such an effort the monied interests would not, and since without money it's impossible to get elected, you see where we're at. Bush and the GOP will talk a better game then the dems about border security, thus insuring 4 more years, but when it comes down to it, Bush is just a few shades better than his leftist/liberal opponents.
For whatever their individual reasons the elitists have decided that we're to have open borders, so no matter who gets in, that's just what we'll have.
This should be required reading nation-wide by every voter, and especially all the candidates.
I have but one belief: that my people have a right to survive in freedom. And yes, this is an absolute belief. The slightest threat to that survival is something I am willing to crush like a cockroach. And I strongly deplore your urgent campaign to persuade us otherwise. I might remind you that you are a newcomer to this land. You are here reaping the benefits of sacrifice and zealous blows to the enemies of freedom dealt by my people for more than 350 years. You urge me to restrain the frevor of my extremist position, yet every day you live out the American dream created by that very passion. We are not "peaceful" people. We are filled with wrath and brimstone. Don't expect anything else from us! If you want gentility, try the French Riviera.
Luis, I have a new name for you: Ganelon:
|During his final battle against militant Islamic hordes at Roncesvalles, traitor Ganelon delayed Charlemagne's relief force by telling the Frankish king that Roland was not blowing his horn to call for help, he was out hunting.
Oh I know your whole frame of logic. You think that if we do end up fighting a billion people because we mishandle our diplomatic and humanistic obligation to avoid offending their religious sensibilities, then we may indeed have a global war on our hands. Might we then be up against genocidal rage? Luis, I must remind you of the Alamo. Every American patriot knows the story. And deep in our hearts we know that someday we must face a similar challenge: die for what we believe, facing down impossible odds, to make a statement. If a billion Muslims or if four billion decide they want to end our hold on freedom and kill us all, I'll simply whisper, "Remeber the Alamo."
Earlier you inferred that some group was manipulating me into concluding that Islam was a death cult, saying "You understand that which you have been led to understand by people with agendas."
I'm choosing to confront you on this thread because it is a clearly Jewish professor outlining his assessment of the Islamic threat. I can guess that you either meant that Jews were manipulating my point of view, or that Islamic extremists were cajoling me into global conflict with their religion, or both. In the second case, it is true. On 9/11, I was enticed into a global war against Islamism, that is Islamic extremism. But it is also true that I have looked to Jewish people for help in understanding the problem. I see them as my brothers in arms in the global fight for liberal democracy. Unlike Patrick Buchanan's suggestion in an article you demanded that I read, I do not see a legitimate cause in the Palestinian Intefadah. Pleas for a right of return some like so much reconquista to me. So I accept the militant Jewish assertion of an absolute right -- by fiat of force -- to hold Israel and either pacify their unruly guests or expel them, failing that. Patrick Buchanan is well known as an anti-Semite, and has on several ocasions expressed sympathy and admiration of Adolf Hitler. Example:
In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)Indeed, those who question Israel's absolute right to exist in peace -- at any cost -- ought to all be identified clearly for the anti-semites they are. Why? Because a free people has a right to exist at all cost. Likewise, America has a right to exist at all cost. And despite the softer, gentler image you see displayed in the officialdom of this nation today, we still believe that as a people.
"Islam" has no agenda, extremist Islamic fundamentalists do, the first rule of war is to identify your enemy...thus far, you're failing miserably.
On the contrary. Your argument is simple: a billion Muslim people do not hate me or wish to convert me to their devout faith; rather a small percentage of them do. As is the stated argument of my duly elected political leaders, we have no quarrel with this lion's share of the umma, or Allah's people. And to this I will say I agree. I do not have a quarrel with them directly. But what is their responsibility in the matter? Edmund Burke said that evil triumphs when good men do nothing. And I will have to say that the silence of "good" Muslims has been deafening. On the other hand, there have been a brave few who have been willing to raise a faint cry of warning to the west, such as Mansoor Ijaz. Most are too terrified to utter a sound, however.
As a nation, I agree with President Bush and Colin Powell's diplomatic stance. I am in complete agreement with their positioning of this global war on terrorism as one between the forces of good and the forces of extremism. This is exactly what my nation should be doing. I, on the other hand, am free to interpret events in the quiet of my own home. I can look out across the planet and see things in a different light. And I am not constrained by the international protocols of diplomacy when I conclude that Islam in its current form is my enemy. Will there be a "reform" that transitions this belief system toward something more humane? Why would that happen? I'll suggest an answer: it will only happen when the zealots are all dead, or when the moderates conclude that they must choose sides and reform themselves. I am free to come to this conclusion, and I have. It is a worst case scenario, but when the survival of one's people is at stake, one must consider the extreme possibilities.
Earlier you asked, Do you not agree that their goal is to initiate a world wide war between religions?"
Yes, and what of it? Luis, you cannot undeclare war that has been declared by your enemies. You can try, but as Neville Chamberlain learned, it simply does not work. You said in an earlier post:
I could parse the Old Testament, and make it appear to people who are not acquainted with Christianity, that Christians are every bit as evil and violent, but we know that we are not, so we can easily deflect the arguments. We are not versed in the Qur'an, and what we don't realize, is that those parsed bits that we read are part of a bigger story, most of them instructing Muslims to fight against anyone who wishes to suppress their practice of Islam, or to repel invaders.I simply reject this comment outright. Christianity has undergone a series of reformations. Western civilization has greatly benefited from its close ties to Judeo-Christian values. The results speak for themselves. Do not engage in cultural relativistic polemics with me. I have absolutely no use for such abnegation of my culture.
I doubt I have persuaded you one iota, Luis. By now you've had two years to ponder the implications of 9/11 and what it meant to the future of the human race. You've chosen to remain on the sidelines. That is acceptable by our laws and by our commitment to democracy. We do not want people fighting with us who can be so objective anyway. You and your family can sit back and enjoy the sacrifice of my people. We are proud to offer you this service.
What is more, I am proud to stand with Jews whom my parents' generation saved from utter annihilation by this same sort of appeasement. Neither they nor I should ever be asked to be gentle on those who promise us death, and neither should we be asked to avoid offending those who can't make up their minds -- including you.
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