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Posted on 04/14/2009 3:01:47 AM PDT by coffee260
It's still funny. "Free dog souls with conversion" .... LOL!
It's still funny. "Free dog souls with conversion" .... LOL!
You didn't think that was real, did you?
I'm uncertain whether my dogs have souls or not, but they have a wicked sense of humor.
Something important to remember.
Spell DOG backwards...........................
This uncertainty has led to a loss of self-esteem and has encouraged the Mormons to convert Presbyterians, who can thus be joined with their dogs (and other worthy [pets) for Time and Eternity.
But I've also been on the Session with people of little humor.
I.E., A fellow who lies awake all night, wondering if there is a dog.
It's still funny, even if it's photoshopped.
Rev 19:14 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
They are in heaven and are following Him on white horses.
In my exposure on FR, Catholics are rather adamant that animals don't go to Heaven, and evangelicals are rather adamant that they do, based upon a literal reading of scripture. Can't speak for Presbyterians, but I do know Calvin believed so, too. So, it's sort of clear this is a hoax. The signs appear to be exactly backwards, as far as just who is advocating what.
I would have countered the sign, There aren't any rocks in Heaven either with, Apostle Peter is The Rock; He's in Heaven!
I once convinced a teen ager that tartar sauce was made from ground up rats, by telling him to spell tartar backwards.
There aren't any rocks in heaven? "Simon though art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church." Peter is from the Greek Petros which means Rock. If we believe Saint Peter is in Heaven, we believe there is at least one Rock in Heaven.
Doesn't matter, Presbyterians really don't have a sense of humor!
"I once convinced a teen ager that tartar sauce was made from ground up rats, by telling him to spell tartar backwards. "
We once convinced a bunch of my sisters friends that Young Chow Fried Rice was made from dog.
Personally I think snopes is a rumor.
Spell DOGGIE backwards.
Just go to http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/. And make your own. :-)
Probably from the church sign generator website.
Spell DOG backwards...........................
You may have heard the one about the dyslexic, agnostic insomniac; He sat up all night wondering if there was a dog.
I gotta learn to post quicker!
1) There will be animals in Heaven. They are part of His original creation, so why would Heaven or the New Earth not include all that was originally created for us in Eden? If you believe there will be no animals in heaven or on the new Earth, you may as well agree there will be no flowers or trees.
2) NO they do not have soles like Humans, but if God created the perfect companion for you once, one that he selected just for you, - why would he not have the power to do that again?
2) Heaven will not lack one thing that will make us truly happy.
This is from the back cover:
There are no words that can fill the emptiness we feel with the loss of a precious companion pet. Their unconditional love and devotion are missed as much as their splendid and unique personality. But we can replace the grief with joyful anticipation and hope, if we understand that there is a plan for them. The words of this book are offered to guide you to that place. You may begin reading as a skeptic, but you will end with a newfound hope and a lot of important things to think about.
Gary Kurz, Author
Personally, when I envision Heaven, it's mostly animals. Little furry ones. I see myself playing a concert with a great band, and the entire audience is made up of rockin' groundhogs and chipmunks and squirrels. It's like a rodent-Woodstock. But hey, I could be wrong.
For this horse lover, all I have to say is YIPPEE!
With great bass fishing. Heaven's got to be full of lunker bass, on quiet, pristine lakes with no other boats around.
I don't know that there is a "Catholic" position on this (someone can correct me if I'm wrong.)
But heaven is a place of supernatural beatitude, not merely natural happiness. So it's not clear to me how animals can participate in that, as they have no supernatural life, no grace.
As far as I remember they *do* in fact have souls, just not rational ones—the soul, the anima, is the animating principle of a body, and to some extent everything alive has one. Even plants, although they do not have sensitive souls like animals do.
What I always come back to is the "new heavens and the new earth" which awaits us at the end of time. Can anyone imagine an earth without other living things? It would be a wasteland, a void. And moreover, it would not be at all conducive to the *natural* happiness of man, who was not only created in a world with living things in it, but was set above them as master to tend and to keep them. Presumably we will still be doing that in heaven, as that is our nature.
So I can't imagine that the heaven of the blessed is devoid of living things. I'm willing to bet that animals will in fact be there, just that they will enjoy natural happiness there according to their capacity and that we humans alone will enjoy the supernatural happiness of the beatific vision.
"Doesnt matter, Presbyterians really dont have a sense of humor!"
My Evangelical Presbyterian Pastor told this joke in church:
Note: (The Presbyterians, even the politically conservative branch of it the Evangelical Presbyterians are not known to have spirited services. Nice services, but dont expect to see lots hands waving, hallelujahs from the back roll being shouted, Alter calls, that sort of thing. If you are shy, the EPC is a good church for you.)
The FOUR PASTORS
Four Pastors from different churches were sitting on a park bench, enjoying a sunny Sunday afternoon, when they started debating which denomination would be the first called up to Heaven.
The Catholic Minister said certainly Catholics will be first, because they have such great compassion and have done such great works that is pleasing in God's eyes. We have built the Worlds most beautiful churches, and hold on to the ancient Catholic profession of the Christian Faith, and have produced many martyrs.
The Pentecost Pastor said, no, we will rise first, because we are filled with the Holy Spirit, and we celebrate our faith with joyful music and inspirational sermons, bringing thousands to Christ each week. We certainly deserve to be the first called up.
The Baptist Pastor said you are both wrong, because we have spread the Gospel of Christ around the globe like no other, and have sacrificed much in doing so. And we hold strong to the words of the teachings of the Apostles, our brothers in Christ. God certainly intends to catch us up first.
The Presbyterian Pastor said all three of you are wrong. The Bible says the Dead in Christ will rise first, leaving the other three will jaws dropped , and the Presbyterian smiling with pride.
"All rocks go to Heaven" heh
- The Monks of New Skete
Not just dogs. I like small furries. Rabbits and guinea pigs.
There's no reason to hope in the abstract. The Bible is not silent on the matter. Romans, in particular, speaks eloquently regarding creatures being subjected to futility through no fault of their own. Chronicles compares creatures to a seed, sown in a natural body, raised in glory; of different types of flesh and different types of bodies, celestial and terrestrial. Job speaks to the subject as well.
No need to guess. They'll be there.
My cats feel very disenfranchised right now.
I do love German Shepherds. Had a couple of em growing up. Great dogs. So smart, so loyal, so much talent. Great animals.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Cheer up, your dog may be predestined for salvation.
I believe my pastor.
Even though our dog is fine, we adopted a three month old kitten last September who was found by a police officer as a new born at the roadside next to her dead mother.
The Officer took her home and fed her with a eye dropper and then gave her to us.
Yesterday, at the age of ten months I took her to the Vet to get spayed. She died from a allergic reaction to the anesthetic.
Of all our pets through the years she was the prettiest and the biggest "stinker" we had. She brightened up our lives for the few months we had her and she was loved with no conditions.
RIP Mulan. I hope to see you in Heaven.
I own dachshunds-there's no way dachshunds are getting into heaven!
On the Q of whether or not animals go heaven.
I believe that heaven is so great that we can't even begin to understand it. We can debate all we want to on this earth but when we get there this and other debates will all be answered.
Sort of like an "O Wow How Cool is THIS" moment, as best my mind can comprehend it.
God knows what joy it would give us to have our dogs with us in heaven. God would want us to be happy so our dogs will be there!
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Stephen followed in death his mother, Wanda St. John; step father, Ray St. John; and grandma, Grace Marie Gilpin. Left behind are Stephen's father, Henry McLain and wife, Julie; sister, Sarilda (Jane) Hautas and husband, John; nephew, Christopher McLain and wife, Bernadette Fitchie; great niece, Emma McLain; great nephew, Levi McLain; sister, Lucretia Miller Stephenson and husband, Kelly; niece, Teresa Baber; nephew, Montana Miller; great nephew, Achilles Miller; sister, Bobbie Payne and husband, Mitchell; niece, Stephanie Mecca; great nieces, Echoa Mecca and Nissa Mecca; nieces, Rabecca McLain and Scotti McLain; sister, Susanna (Suzie) Schmeltz and husband, John; nephew, John Schmeltz and wife, Vanessa; niece, Courtney Schmeltz; sister, Sandra McLain (Armenta) and husband, Randy Armenta; nephew, Mitchell Barber; great niece, Alice Barber; adopted sister, Jacque Thomas; adopted nephews, Brian Thomas and Cory Thomas; and adopted niece, Tracy Thomas.
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Herman Cain's meteoric rise and fall in the GOP presidential nomination race will be a subject of sustained inquiry for some time. Chris Cillizza does some early prognosticating for the Washington Post over who is likely to benefit if and when (likely when) Cain withdraws in the wake of the Ginger White extramarital affair story that broke Monday.
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By Brendan Conway
Market check: European bourses are higher Thursday and U.S. index futures point higher, as if we'll see a reversal of some of the previous session's loss. "It's the tug-of-war between bountiful cash from centrals banks coursing through markets, and the stark reality of sluggish economic data and tepid earnings growth," writes John Shipman of Dow Jones Newswires. Gold gains 1.1% to $1,398 and the yen weakens to 98.32 per dollar. The rout continues in copper, where spot prices set a fresh 17-month low at $3.06 this morning. The industrial commodity is down nearly 14% during 2013.
Fund watch: Just in case gold and silver are not rarified enough for your portfolio, how about a fund that owns wine, or even diamonds? For a few years now a handful of fund companies have been trying to create exchange-traded funds that own diamonds and only diamonds — as distinct from the fund on the market that owns the stocks of diamond and gem producers. The latest, from Cinthia Murphy of Index Universe, has Chicago-based GemShares filing for the GemShares Physical Diamond Trust. The filing is fuzzy on key details but Murphy writes that some of the underlying mechanics look similar to what drives the SPDR Gold Trust (GLD), the most popular physical commodity fund. Murphy points to a colleague's research showing that diamonds don't really work as a hedge against a falling currency like gold often does. What's more, IU's Stacey Brorup observed, fund companies' focus on gem-quality stones would mean no exposure to industrial-use diamonds. "[O]nly 30 percent of mined diamonds are of gem quality, meaning an investor who buys into GemShares' trust would in theory be missing out on 70 percent of the market," writes Murphy.
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Ballets Russes: the art of costume opens on 10 December, tickets on sale now.
Current exhibitions include Space invaders, Anton Bruehl's In the spotlight and childrens exhibition Connections.
The new Indigenous galleries are brimming with energy and visitors, as is the new outdoor Street Cafe—give yourself a Christmas present and visit us.
Scroll down for more exhibition details, event highlights, new acquisitions and Gallery news.
Space invaders: australian . street . stencils . posters . paste-ups . zines . stickers has added to the buzz in the Gallery since the Stage1 opening, with young and old coming in to check it out.
One of the most popular aspects of the exhibition has been the zines, many you can hold and flip through.
We've got some fun launch party pics on Flickr, a street art photography competition and an interview with zinester Tim Danko.
Meet the curator
Gael Newton has been a curator at the National Gallery for 25 years (too long ... if you're after her job, she quips). She has most recently curated In the spotight: Anton Bruehl photographs 1920s-1950s which is currently showing.
What is your area and your special passion within it?
Photomedia—I am a 'phototragic'. It is amazing to see how photographers can make art in a fraction of a second exposure. I don't quite go so far as someone who said 'there are no bad photographs—only less interesting ones.'
What has been your most satisfying moment as a curator?
My first proper exhibition catalogue on Australian Pictorial Photography 1898–1938 in 1979. It was quite thin but I had the excitement of rescuing a very unfashionable era of romantic photography for a new audience. Also sitting with Axel Poignant
in his studio in London in the 1970s and sharing secrets.
If you were a work of art in the collection what would you be?
A fun photomontage by Lady Frances Jocelyn, she was typical of a number of such aristocratic lady amateurs who combined photographs words and images without respect for the pure photography which I find liberates the imagination.
Connections is an exhibition for children that explores the relationships between works of art across cultures, place and time.
Themes such as calligraphy, geometry, colour and the garden have been used to link works of art inspired by Islamic culture with others in the National Gallery's collection.
Visitors are encouraged to make their own connections or use symbols on the wall labels and activity sheet to discover linked works.
An interactive space with a focus on geometry is included in the exhibition to assist children understand the beauty and variety of Islamic patterning.
Have fun finding the connections and learn about Islamic culture and its influence around the world.
Download The grammar of ornament worksheet (pdf 410 kb) and explore the designs on The grammar of ornament page.
In the spotlight:
Anton Bruehl
Australia's greatest style exports
Saturday 22 January 2.00 pm
Free | James O Fairfax Theatre
Fashion writer Glynis Traill-Nash discusses the history of the Australian fashion industry and Aussies that made it big in the industry including Maggie Tabberer, Elle Macpherson, Abbey Lee Kershaw, Collette Dinnigan, Martin Grant and Robyn Beeche.
Thursday 2 December 12.45 pm
Phillip George, artist and surfer, discusses the inspiration behind his surfboard designs and their connections to Australia culture.
Urban Art Projects
Saturday 4 December 2.00 pm
Free | meet at information desk
Curator Franchesca Cubillo and designer Jamie Perrow of Urban Art Projects share insights into the construction and process of the enormous new fish trap work.
Photography artist talk
Saturday 18 December 2.00 pm
Free | Photography Gallery
Artist Valerie Sparks discusses the Gallery's new acquisition El Dorado Springs 2007, purchased in memory of Melody Gough.
Our textile conservators have been busy preparing for Ballets Russes: the art of costume.
In this photo Chandra Obie is working on a 'Costume for a court lady' from the ballet Fracesca da Rimini which was first performed in 1937. It was designed by Oliver Messel at approximately the same time.
Conservation treatment includes surface cleaning it, ironing it, and stabilizing stitched repairs, especially to the delicate net sleeves.
In the photo Chandra is working on the lamé appliqués near the hem where they are so badly frayed that they pull away from the braid that protects the edges and were in danger of disintegrating further and being lost.
The thread used is about as fine as a single hair. Conservation uses very fine Tetex threads, pulled out of Tetex polyester fabric.
The Ballets Russes conservation series of events starts on 5 February 2010
Street art photo competition
Win a Space invaders T-shirt and book and help document street art in your area.
Photographic documentation plays a major role in the Australian street art scene where a work can be removed as quickly as it is put up. Street artists often photograph their street work and post it on websites and blogs in order to record their creations. Without this type of documentation there would be no evidence of some of the best ephemeral works being installed around Australia.
We'd like you to take a snap of the street art in your life - your favourite piece or something you walk past in your local community. The photo must be taken by you.
The images will be judged by Space invaders artist Mini Graff, who will look at both the piece you have photographed and the representation of it in your photo.
Five winners will be selected to win a Space invaders T-shirt and book.
Add your photo to the Flickr group Space invaders street art photo competition to enter.
Fond farewell at Foundation AGM
The Gallery Foundation's Annual General Meeting was held on 27 October 2010. Charles P Curran AC was the Chairman of the National Gallery of Australia Foundation Board since 2006 and in 2010 led the Foundation in its most successful fundraising year to date. He is succeeded by John Hindmarsh, who has been a Foundation Director since 2004 as well as a close friend and supporter of the Gallery.
Charles appears in the photo with a new Gallery acquisition, a maquette of Antony Gormley's most famous sculpture Angel of the North 1994–98, situated in northern England. The maquette of Angel of the North was generously gifted by James and Jacqui Erskine and is a most welcome addition to the Gallery's sculpture garden.
The Street Cafe opens
The National Gallery of Australia has established a new outdoor cafe, part of the recent Stage One development. Adjacent to the new front door, the NGA Street Cafe is now open from 9.00 am to 4.30 pm daily for coffee, drinks and light snacks.
Wesfarmers Arts Indigenous Fellowship
Congratulations go to the successful candidates selected to participate in the inaugural Wesfarmers Arts Indigenous Fellowship program.
Two Fellowships each valued at $50,000 have been awarded to:
Glenn Iseger-Pilkington, Associate Curator of Indigenous Objects & Photography at the Art Gallery of Western Australia - Perth WA for his project, Digital directions: Indigenous Australian Art in the National Gallery of Australia Collection.
Jirra Harvey, National Youth Programs Coordinator– Melbourne, Victoria for her project, Indigenous Communication Strategy for the National Gallery of Australia
See the Wesfarmers Fellowship website for full listing of the 10 leadership program recipients and further information on this groundbreaking program.
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Combined Special Teams Ratings: Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver
Jonathan Willis
September 22 2009 11:15AM
The three Canadian teams in the Northwest Division shared a common bond last season: their special teams weren't all that special. There are some issues with the way the NHL calculates its special team percentages. The Philadelphia Flyers, for example, get credit for an efficient power-play and penalty-kill but the NHL doesn't account for shorthanded goals in its calculations. When you consider that the Flyers led the league in short-handed goals for (16) and against (1), it's easy to see that they aren't just good on special teams, they're one of the best outfits in the NHL.
To compensate for that, today I've re-calculated both the penalty-killing and power play percentages by including shorthanded goals for and against. The results weren't pretty.
On the powerplay side of things, Vancouver's ranking increased by a fair bit, Edmonton went up marginally, and Calgary's unit plummeted thanks to 15 shorthanded goals against. On the penalty-kill, Vancouver got slightly worse, Calgary fell off by quite a bit, and Edmonton's abysmal unit slunk closer to the bottom of the NHL pack.
Combined Rankings
- Vancouver: 17.4 + 83.3 = 100.7%
- Calgary: 12.8 + 85.1 = 97.8%
- Edmonton: 14.7 + 78.4 = 93.1%
What I've done here is pretty simple; I've taken the adjusted percentages for both units and added them together. A league-average score is 100, and it's easy to see that none of these teams are especially good on special teams. Vancouver is just slightly better than the league average, Calgary is a fair bit worse than that and Edmonton, drug down by a truly abysmal penalty-kill is 7 percentage points back of average.
If any of these teams entertain hopes of being legitimate contenders in the near future – and Vancouver and Calgary certainly view themselves that way – these numbers need to improve. For Edmonton, massive improvements are needed simply to make it back to the post-season dance.
September 22 2009, 04:37PM
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Tomorrow's Lineup: JFJ – Horc – Hemmer O'Sully – Comrie – Stone Moreau – Cogs – Brennan Penner – Pouliot – Nilsson. Quinn has often talked about forming two man units with rotating wingers. Could our top two lines be: Horc – Hemmer – And whoever O'Sully – Comrie – And whoever? Also. It sure looks like JFJ is going to make this team. Many people rip on him, but JFJ has sure been effective in the AHL, (More so than Schremp and Brule when healthy), has good wheels for a big man, and is getting a real good look in an offensive role this camp. He did have a monster game against the Panthers where he made some hits, created some space for his linemates, and even chipped in with a goal. I'm not sure why so many Oiler fans are in a hurry to dismiss a player with JFJ's potential… He's exactly the kind of player the Oilers need to make an impact.
Man that would be nice if we could get 20/45 out of JFJ to go with his physical play from last year.
September 22 2009, 04:48PM
@ Milli. NEVER!!
Big fan of ON though.
September 22 2009, 04:53PM
@ Chris.: I guess no more Schremp or are they giving him one last shot against TB?
Two man units is the way to go and I won't be suprised if we see that quite a bit this year.
You know with JFJ and Stone kinda playing for a spot, why not throw them together with Brule?
@ Ogden Brother Jr.:
Unfortunately, Quinn is not returning my calls...
September 23 2009, 01:22AM
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Man that would be nice if we could get 20/45 out of JFJ to go with his physical play from last year.
That would be nice. Actually it would be amazing. Outstanding. Miraculous. The second coming.
So...I'm trying to say it won't happen. I wonder how many goals the LW scored when playing Hemsky and Horcoff last year.
I did a little math regarding predictions and compared the top 300 scorers from last year (all skaters) to Hockey News top 300 scorers predicted for this year (all skaters). Last year: average of top 300 scorers: 47.5 points This year: average of top 300 scorers: 57.2 points.
That's roughly at 20% increase in scoring.
Which yes COULD happen. But it won't.
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With rookie mini-camp wrapped up at One Bills Drive over the weekend, the Buffalo Bills have invited two of the players that were in on a tryout to training camp.
The team announced Monday that they have signed tryout players Dorin Dickerson (fullback) and Nick Saenz (safety) to a contract. The team also has added former Mississippi State offensive tackle James Carmon.
The Bills only had one roster spot open, so they also released two players to make room. Former Richmond quarterback Aaron Corp and Mercyhurst safety Ian Wild.
Monmouth College quarterback Alex Tanney who was brought in for a workout over the weekend was not signed by the team, and is no longer affiliated with the Bills in any way at this point in time. Tanney is the Youtube "Trick Shot Quarterback" that went viral.
Here is the information on the three new Bills' players from Monday's press release:
Dickerson entered the NFL as a seventh-round (227th overall) draft pick by Houston in 2010 and saw action in seven games with the Texans. The 6-1, 226-pound Pittsburgh product was released by Houston prior to the 2011 season and sport a portion of the year on the Pittsburgh and New England practice squads.
Saenz (pronounced SIE-nz) joins the Bills as an undrafted free agent from the University of Houston. The 6-0, 195-pound safety recorded 240 tackles (135 solo) in 52 games for the Cougars from 2008-11.
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By PHIL FAUVERGuest Writer
Chairman Gil Conover called the meeting to order and turned the time over to four representatives from Superior Care and Pharmacy. This is the company that supplies medicine or drugs to the Emery County Care Center.
The spokesperson for this company was Lavona Seely Lewis. Lavona and her companions pointed out how their nationwide company had the buying power to keep the cost of drugs down for the care center. They also told of their Oscar 2 software and Omni-View Online software that allows the Emery County Care Center to order drugs by computer bar code with their E-Refill handheld scanner.
The Company RX-Claims software verifies all bills. Medicine history for each patient is recorded in the software and available to the care center as well as Superior Care and Pharmacy. Feedback, surveys and updates also provide by way of the computer and the regional representative. Superior Care and Pharmacy has been providing service to the care center for several years.
Boyd's Pharmacy is expected to be making a presentation at the next board meeting.
Commissioner Gary Kofford spoke to the board members, reminding them that the board needed to delegate authority and have faith in people.
Faith that those people will do what is required with the given authority. He also said, "It is not easy to serve on a volunteer board."
Bryan Erickson CEO gave the consultants report. The cash assets are good. The care center has 37 residents today and that is down from what he would like. More patients would bring in more money from insurance and Medicare. Year to date they have a $28,000 deficit.
The director of nursing report by Kamie Conover indicated that the Federal survey was in compliance. Patients are being moved from the South wing of the building so that it can be remodeled. Conover recommended that the board purchase a touch screen I-Pod for patients that cannot speak or have difficulty communicating. The touch screen I-Pod will assist in communicating with some patients. The estimated cost of the I-Pod is $458.
The board approved the purchase.
In the executive session the board was presented a major problem.
Bryan Erickson, CEO told the board that the Utah State Department of Professional Licensing had notified him that Caleen Wilcox's temporary administrators license had been revoked after she had been 12 days on the job.
The Utah State Department of Professional Licensing claimed that they made a mistake in issuing the temporary administrators license. Several members of the board and staff were disappointed to lose Caleen Wilcox as an administrator.
The board went into a closed hearing to decide how to proceed with obtaining a licensed administrator. They decided to review the pool of original licensed applicants for the administrators job. If none of them were interested, then the job will be advertised. Only licensed applicants will be considered. Until an administrator is hired, Bryan Erickson, CEO will be the acting administrator.


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'Dancing With The Stars' Season 16: New Celebrity Cast Announced
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Musicians, athletes and TV personalities are among the new crop of celebrity contestants who will take to the dance floor on season 16 of "Dancing With the Stars."
The new cast of ABC's hit show was revealed today, exclusively on "Good Morning America," and the headliners include country music legend Wynonna Judd, former "Idol" finalist Kellie Pickler, reality TV star Lisa Vanderpump and NFL star Jacoby Jones.
Jones isn't the only athlete on the show. Olympic gymnast Aly Raisman, professional boxer Victor Ortiz, and figure skating legend Dorothy Hamill will compete this season. Comedians D.L. Hughley and Andy Dick, as well as "General Hospital" star Ingo Rademacher, and Disney star Zendaya Coleman round out the star-studded pack.
Hosts Tom Bergeron and Brooke Burke-Charvet appeared live on "GMA" from Studio B in Los Angeles today to make the highly-anticipated announcement of the cast. They also unveiled the professional partners, which include reigning pro champ Tony Dovolani, veterans Cheryl Burke, Mark Ballas, Derek Hough, Karina Smirnoff, Kym Johnson, as well as some new faces. See the list below for the official pairings.
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Many of the Jewish immigrants who reached the United States during the great immigration of 1881-1914 were believers in socialism, and ardent supporters of trade unions and other pro-labor organizations. The Russian Revolution in 1917 strengthened their communist fervor: Quite a few were convinced that the "days of the messiah" had come and a just society would soon arise in the Soviet Union where Jews could fulfil their duty as Soviet citizens.
And yet hardly any of them went so far as to return to their land of birth. Most preferred to continue their pursuit of the American dream, according to which every immigrant laborer could get ahead, establish himself financially, and give his American-born children an education that would enable them to be president of the United States one day. For the majority, the dream of financial prosperity vanished within a decade, as the Great Depression left tens of thousands of people dying of hunger and created unemployment on a scale unknown since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution.
This was the atmosphere in which Mary Leder's parents decided to return to the Soviet Union and try their luck in the Jewish autonomous republic of Birobidzhan. The Leders were devoted communists, and their daughter, Mary, born in the United States, joined the American communist movement at the age of 15, after the family moved from the East Coast to California in search of employment.
In October 1929, more than a year before the Wall Street stock market crash, the Leders were already feeling the pinch. The father, a builder by profession, was finding it difficult to sell houses. By 1931, it was clear that the move to California was not a success. Mary's parents envisaged a brighter future in the Jewish socialist homeland Josef Stalin was anxious to establish in the eastern republic of Birobidzhan.
Mary's reaction was one of shock: What connection did she have with a faraway country whose language she did not speak? As a girl who had grown up without any formal ties to Judaism, what interest could she possibly have in any kind of Jewish homeland, even a socialist one? Although she was a supporter of the Soviet Union and communism, Mary, who had dreamed of going to college and becoming a journalist, was devastated. Realizing that she could not remain alone in the United States, the teenager informed her parents that she would accompany them, but not for long. When she turned 18, she said, she would go back to America.
This book is a kind of diary kept by Mary Leder from the day she set sail for Japan in the company of her parents, en route to Soviet Russia, until her return to the United States 30 years later. After several weeks with her family, she decided that Birobidzhan was not for her. She asked to stay with relatives in Moscow, hoping to learn a profession there. Not wanting to be a burden to her aunt and uncle, she ended up joining a commune of young people, with whom she lived and worked for several years.
Meanwhile, her parents in Birobidzhan decided to wind up the Soviet chapter of their lives and go back to the United States.
Mary, now 18, chose to stay behind and become a Soviet citizen as a first step toward finding employment. Hoping that Mary would soon rejoin them, her parents and younger siblings departed for America. Towards the end of the 1930s, Mary went to work for a foreign language publishing house, where the Soviet authorities took advantage of her skills and those of other foreign citizens residing in the Soviet Union. Later, she even received spy training, but the project through which she was being sent to America was cancelled at the last minute.
After returning to her former job, Mary married Abraham, a Jew from Rostov, and gave birth to a daughter. When the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, Mary and Abraham fled to a small town in the Volga region together with many other families. During that time, their young daughter became ill and died. When the couple eventually moved back to the capital, they encountered blatant anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism that began to affect their personal and professional lives. These trends intensified in the 1950s, although Stalin died in 1953.
When Abraham succumbed to a serious illness in 1959, Mary applied for an exit visa: The time had come to reunite with her parents in the United States. It took several years before her dream came true. In 1965, at the age of 45, Mary returned to the land of her birth, where she lives until today.
Leder's book is built on contradictions and dissonance. The equation is supposed to balance out in the end, but it doesn't. Right from the beginning, we have the family's high hopes with respect to the communist world, where everyone is equal and has the same opportunities, regardless of religion or class. But the author is soon disappointed with Stalin's "Jewish republic," and before long, her parents are, too.
Next, the author decides that by joining a commune in Moscow, she will be able to move ahead in the Soviet system. Again, she sobers up quickly, her hopes for collectivism soon dashed. At spy school, as Leder dreams of using her fluent English to aid her new homeland, up pops an officer and advises her that when she gets to the United States as a Soviet agent, she should defect. Go live with your parents, he says. You aren't cut out to be a spy, and anyway, life in America is so much easier.
During World War II, Leder is fired by the hope that the Soviet nation is fighting fascism. In reality, she finds that Soviet society has turned its back on her due to anti-Semitism. Finally, she believes that she will be cared for by the communist system, that citizens will be provided with everything they need in the way of food, medical care and education. The truth is that she cannot even obtain the simple drugs that might have saved her husband's life.
Mary Leder's story is both fascinating and sad. It is written in a flowing style, without the abundance of detail that often makes memoirs hard to read. Reading this book, one cannot help reflecting on the courage of this girl, who embarks on the adventure of living apart from her parents in a foreign country and makes no special effort to join them when they pack up and go home. On the one hand, we gasp at the temerity of a 16-year-old who joins a commune in an unfamiliar land where she doesn't speak the language.
On the other, it is hard to accept her passivity with respect to returning to the bosom of her family. She does make several attempts to leave the Soviet Union, but one can certainly think of some channels she hasn't tried, and the same goes for her family. Is she harboring a secret anger at having to accompany her parents to the Soviet Union in the first place? Has she become swept up in an adventure that is more than she bargained for?
In a country where parents equip their kids trekking to the Far East with international cell phones and beg them to drop into an Internet cafe at least once a week to "touch base," the story of a family that moves from the United States to the Soviet Union and sends a 16-year-old daughter alone to the capital, ultimately saying goodbye for close to three decades - that is certainly a story worth reading and thinking about.
Let's hope that nowadays she writes books only.
How did you know that? Bought a book already?
That's what it says on the front flap:
"For much of the time she was an idealistic supporter of Soviet socialism and a dedicated member of the Young Communist League".
The number of Jews who returned to the Soviet Union in the 1930's is dwarfed by the number who left the Soviet Union before 1990 and returned to Russia after the fall of communism.
Just wondering what happened to poor Abraham. If I can read Mary's "idealistic" mind, she probably left him dying in the Soviet Union to go back to the country that she despised, good ol' USA.
Also, she must have joined the spy agency on her own, ready to spy on us. The citizens of the Soviet Union were not compelled to join the KGB or any other intelligence gathering organization. It was their own choice. What a scum.
You are confused, pogroms happened in isolated parts of the Russian Empire, like Ukraine. This story goes against the usual "Stalin was an anti-semite and Jews were victims in the Soviet Union" revisionist mantra.
Because that is where the Jews lived. Duh.
When the Russian revolution occurred in Moscow, there were almost no Jews living in Moscow.
Perhaps you are trying to blame Russians for the pogroms that didn't happen in Russia? LOL! You know they would have happened in Russia if the Jews had lived there, right?
When the Russian revolution occurred in Moscow, there were almost no Jews living in Moscow.
Not as many as in Ukraine, that's for sure. The February revolution removed the pale and made Jews free, and they repaid with overthrowing Provisional government.
I didn't blame the Russians for any pogroms on this thread.
The February revolution removed the pale and made Jews free, and they repaid with overthrowing Provisional government.
So between Feburary and October 1917, the Jews moved enmasse to Moscow, raised an army and overthrew the Kerensky government? Do you really believe something so absurd?
The fact is that most Jews (or at least, the small number who had any interest in Russian politics at all) supported the Kerensky government.
Or perhaps Thaddeus "Ted" Kascynski.
Don't forget Marian Zacharski, who could write a book entitled "How to Steal US Military Secrets and Get Off Scot Free."
One could interpret your "Duh" as a suggestions that the same would have happened in Russia.
So between Feburary and October 1917, the Jews moved enmasse to Moscow, raised an army and overthrew the Kerensky government? Do you really believe something so absurd?
It does sound absurd if your scenario is the only one conceivable. The fact that the overwhelming majority of the Bolsheviks in Lenin's government were Jewish is sufficient to realize who were the main Bolsheviks supporters and ideologues.
That is like saying the fact that the membership of the National Black Republican Network are black means that most blacks are Republican.
Most Jews were not communist in 1917. National politics was a foreign concept to most Jews back then.
The Russian Revolution began in Moscow and St, Petersburg, places where there were virtually no Jews, rather than Kiev, Odessa or Minsk, or, for that matter, Poland, where Jews were numerous.
The places where Jews lived were not centers of resistance to the Provisional Government of Kerensky. There were Jews associated with Lenin, but there were also many Jews associated with Kerensky.
My "duh" meant that it would pointless to have a pogrom in a place where there were no Jews. The pogroms took place in Ukraine because that was where the Jews were.
Do you understand now?
What does that have to do with Zacharski's guilt and the fact that he still owes the US Government a lot of years in prison?
For your analogy to work, Bolshevik government would have to be called Jewish faction of Bolshevik government.
Most Jews were not communist in 1917. National politics was a foreign concept to most Jews back then.
You mean members of a party? Of course not. Party members were always a minority. Sympathizing with destruction of Russia and perceiving it as their tribal revenge? Quite possibly. Tribal interests have always been paramount in Jewish community.
The Russian Revolution began in Moscow and St, Petersburg, places where there were virtually no Jews, rather than Kiev, Odessa or Minsk, or, for that matter, Poland, where Jews were numerous.
Jews were numerous in Menshevik and Bolshevik movements. History is often done by militant minorities, with majority being rather apathetic or not knowing better.
The places where Jews lived were not centers of resistance to the Provisional Government of Kerensky. There were Jews associated with Lenin, but there were also many Jews associated with Kerensky.
Provisional government was overthrown by Bolsheviks, and we know who were in charge there.
Do you understand now?
Are you saying that the only reason the pogroms didn't take place in Russia because there were few Jews? And that they took place in Ukraine because that's where the Jews were? LOL!
Probably because of hormonal needs. She was young, no parents supervision and the idea of the New Soviet Man probably appealed to her.
It seems that the reviewer is really confused on the issue of the anti-Semitism. The Soviet nation is fighting fascism and at the same time is anti-Semitic. Hmm, kind of mutually exclusive statement.
You: You mean members of a party?
No, I meant not communist or communist sympathizers. National politics was a foreign concept to Jews in that era. The rabbis advised Jews not to become involved in the politics of a gentile nation.
Tribal interests have always been paramount in Jewish community.
Avoiding pogroms was the only constant motivating factor in the Jewish community of the Russian Empire. Very few Jews were interested in any radical revolution.
Jews were numerous in Menshevik and Bolshevik movements. History is often done by militant minorities, with majority being rather apathetic or not knowing better.
History is often portrayed by the majority population in a way that scapegoats minorities for all problems. You have yet to explain how the Jews, who were not very numerous in Russia, were able to instigate a communist revolution (according to your theory) while they were not able to instigate one in Ukraine, Belarus, or Poland, where they made up a much larger percentage of the population. Have you considered the possibility that most Jews simply were not interested in communism?
Provisional government was overthrown by Bolsheviks, and we know who were in charge there.
You have presented no evidence that most Jews favored the Bolsheviks over the Provisional Government.
I don't know her maiden name, but her first name was Wanda, if that helps.
National politics as full participants, maybe. National politics that can be perceived as self-defence and opposing their "opressors", I wouldn't be so sure. Besides, there is a huge gap between what some rabbis may profess somewhere, let alone that that teaching is open to interpretation what it really means, and real life.
Avoiding pogroms was the only constant motivating factor in the Jewish community of the Russian Empire. Very few Jews were interested in any radical revolution.
There must have been different notions of "radicality". American Jewish neocons are much more radical and agressive than traditional conservatives, for example. But to them, they are just normal and logical. Bolshevik revolution was "avoiding pogroms" and "taking some revenge" for some, I am sure.
History is often portrayed by the majority population in a way that scapegoats minorities for all problems.
It's a two-way street and the same can be said about minorities who often believe they are victims all around. I'd rather take an objective approach, where every side is assigned some blame. Wouldn't you? Or in other approach, either side is blameless and is simply acting in their own interests that may diverge. But that's not what Jewish supremacists have in mind, to them their tribe is beyond reproach, and "anti-semitism" is some universal illness that's guaranteed to exist everywhere just because "Jews are special and misunderstood".
You have yet to explain how the Jews, who were not very numerous in Russia, were able to instigate a communist revolution (according to your theory) while they were not able to instigate one in Ukraine, Belarus, or Poland, where they made up a much larger percentage of the population.
First portion of your question is more technical, whether a minority can affect the course of history in any major way. I already answered that question somewhere. As for the second part, it's a topic of separate discussion. As far as I know, Jewish kommies were active in those countries too, and we had a discussion on how kommies were cheered in Poland in 1939. Also, could local population be more hostile to the movements that were headed by Jews, whose tricks they were up to? Also, Jewish kommies did have some successe in Hungary and Germany.
Have you considered the possibility that most Jews simply were not interested in communism?
It's possible, since most is only more than 50%. And what does "not interested" mean? Does sympathetic with the goals or using it for tribal goals qualify as "interested"?
Unlike Inyokern, who diplomatically answered my question about how Jews regard Jesus, saying that he was a "charismatic preacher". What he doesn't say is what really counts. LOL!
So inny says that his religion teaches Jesus was a charismatic leader. Does he give you official references for this?
P.S. Inny's statement that few Jews were communist must mean he is not from New York or that he is being 'diplomatic'.
Or that he's bargaining furiously and employing that famous Jewish "answering question with a question" tactics and fuzzy logic. They should write a manual on how to fool people... oh wait, maybe they have already.
You can tell how people feel about a government by the way they vote with their feet. There were about 7 million Jews in the Russian Empire in 1917. By 1923, when the Soviet Union sealed the border against further emigration, there were only about 3 million Jews left. Most of the Jews who had lived in the Russian Empire chose not to live in the Soviet Union.
we had a discussion on how kommies were cheered in Poland in 1939.
No, it was not commies who were cheered, it was the Russian Army. And with good reason. Any Jew who got behind Russian lines and managed to stay there was likely to survive the war. 90% of the rest died. In hindsight, they were correct to cheer the Russian Army.
Do you perhaps have me mistaken for someone else? I don't remember that exchange. I have never called Jesus a "charismatic preacher," as far as I can recall.
BTW, just in case he snoops on your posts I hope you don't mind if I throw in a few little USA commie pops just for fun:
Martin Sobol,
Harry Magdoff,
Nathan Silvermaster,
Jacob Golos,
Gregory Kheifetz,
Abe Taubman,
Armand Hammer,
Abe Heller,
Maurice Heller,
Bella Gold,
Theodore Hall(Holtzberg),
Philip Jaffe,
Samiel Dickstein,
Borris Morris,
and Noel Field.
This is a very short list of the old timers. None of them are Mormons, I promise you.
Do you want me to prove that Gacy and Kaczynski are Polish? Do you really really want that?
|Jewish Nobel Prize Winners for Science
|Polish Nobel Prize Winners for Science
|Altman, Sidney
|Sklodowska-Curie, Maria
|Axelrod, Julius
|Baltimore, David
|Barany, Robert
|Benacerraf, Baruj
|Berg, Paul
|Bethe, Hans Albrecht
|Bloch, Felix
|Bloch, Konrad
|Blumberg, Baruch S.
|Bohr, Niels
|Born, Max
|Brown, Herbert C.
|Calvin, Melvin
|Chain, Sir Ernst Boris
|Charpak, Georges
|Cohen, Stanley
|Cohen-Tannoudji, Claude
|de Hevesy, George
|Edelman, Gerald M.
|Ehrlich, Paul
|Einstein, Albert
|Elion, Gertrude B.
|Erlanger, Joseph
|Feynman, Richard P.
|Franck, James
|Friedman, Jerome I.
|Furchgott, Robert F.
|Gabor, Dennis
|Gell-Mann, Murray
|Gilbert, Walter
|Gilman, Alfred G.
|Glaser, Donald A.
|Glashow, Sheldon L.
|Goldstein, Joseph L.
|Haber, Fritz
|Hauptman, Herbert A.
|Hertz, Gustav
|Hoffmann, Roald
|Hofstadter, Robert
|Jacob, Francois
|Josephson, Brian D.
|Kandel, Eric R.
|Kapitsa, Pyotr Leonidovich
|Karle, Jerome
|Katz, Sir Bernard
|Klug, Sir Aaron
|Kohn, Walter
|Kornberg, Arthur
|Krebs, Sir Hans Adolf
|Landau, Lev Davidovich
|Landsteiner, Karl
|Lederberg, Joshua
|Lederman, Leon M.
|Lee, David M.
|Levi-Montalcini, Rita
|Lipmann, Fritz Albert
|Lippmann, Gabriel
|Loewi, Otto
|Luria, Salvador E.
|Lwoff, Andre
|Marcus, Rudolph A.
|Mechnikov, Elie
|Meyerhof, Otto Fritz
|Michelson, Albert Abraham
|Milstein, Cesar
|Moissan, Henri
|Mottelson, Ben Roy
|Muller, Hermann Joseph
|Nathans, Daniel
|Nirenberg, Marshall W.
|Osheroff, Douglas D.
|Penzias, Arno A.
|Perl, Martin L.
|Perutz, Max Ferdinand
|Prusiner, Stanley B.
|Rabi, Isidor Isaac
|Reichstein, Tadeus
|Reines, Frederick
|Richter, Burton
|Rodbell, Martin
|Schally, Andrew V.
|Schwartz, Melvin
|Schwinger, Julian
|Segre, Emilio Gino
|Stein, William Howard
|Steinberger, Jack
|Stern, Otto
|Temin, Howard Martin
|Varmus, Harold E.
|von Baeyer, Johann
|Waksman, Selman
|Wald, George
|Wallach, Otto
|Warburg, Otto Heinrich
|Weinberg, Steven
|Willstatter, Richard Martin
|Yalow, Rosalyn
Imagine: all commie positions taken, Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore, in other words--nowhere to go.
What can an ambitious person to do in order to get noticed?
Here's about one dude who virtually brought Washington, DC to a halt:
It was a beautiful Saturday, 08/07/99. DC Freepers got ready for a weekly duty. But here they were--Nazis. And the downtown looked like Kandahar: 1,426 Police Officers, SS, Black Helicopters, Strange Vehicles, Commies, American Labour Party, Socialist Workers, Shalom International of Miami, AJC, NAACP, FReepers, you name it...
Neo-Nazis bail out of their march
Metastasizing hate
Outnumbered neo-Nazi group cancels hate march
Pictures: 1 2 3 4 5
"I think the city ought to sue these people," Police Chief Charles Ramsey angrily declared as he stood in his riot helmet complaining that the city had just spent close to $1 million protecting the civil rights of a no-show troublemaker.Cmon, Chief... what's wrong with a little hutzpa?
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Emery County is involved in a lawsuit concerning seven of its roads which were closed by the Bureau of Land Management. The Attorney General's office has teamed up with Emery County to try to resolve road issues within the county.
In the July Emery County Public Lands council meeting, Dickson Huntington, council member, wondered if the county should revisit the route designation plan concerning the lawsuit. He said no cattlemen have approached him on the lawsuits and he doesn't share the enthusiasm for the lawsuits that some have. Public Lands Director Ray Petersen, said that two of the attorneys involved with the lawsuit are coming to the meeting to discuss the reasons behind the lawsuit.
Huntington said he felt since the county has a MOU, memorandum of understanding, with the BLM to work cooperatively that a lawsuit was counterproductive. He feels the lawsuit is being driven by ATV folks. He said his view of a RS-2477 road is one that has been constructed and some of the roads named in the lawsuit seem nothing more than a tire track. Even with the closed road at Mexican Bend the cattleman is still able to get his cattle in.
Tory Killian, council member and chairman of the recreation subcommittee, said they need to work together on these road issues. Huntington countered that they only work together as long as the ATV people get everything they want.
Huntington said we are shooting ourselves in the foot and we need to show an interest in protection.
Killian said she believes there is less damage now on the Swell and the lands are looking better due to better education of ATV riders. Floyd Johnson from the BLM said he believes there is less damage than two years back.
Vernell Rowley, assistant chairman of the lands council said we need to protect our rights and heritage.
Huntington said the route designation plan was nine years in the making and a complete document.
Petersen said there have been negative ATV impacts on the Swell and there is a need for the road issues to be settled. After the route designation plan came out the county voiced its concerns with the plan and put the BLM on notice that some of the roads the county wanted left open and were designated closed on the route designation plan would be litigated at some future date. There are some roads the county doesn't agree with the BLM on, "not a bunch of roads," said Petersen, but seven roads for now.
Huntington said he can't see that we are giving up a whole lot by having these roads closed. Petersen said he has heard from local cattlemen and with the road on Mexican Mountain being closed for many years, one cattleman has had cattle dying in there and can't get to them. Some grazers say closed is OK and some say we need to be able to get to our cows.
Killian said she was concerned about the definition of a road in a wilderness study area, and to her knowledge in a WSA an existing road could remain open, but no new construction could take place.
Petersen said WSAs by definition don't have roads.
Mike McCandless said there were originally 10 roads involved with the lawsuit, but it is now down to seven. "The BLM knows about this, they were not blindsided. The BLM wants a decision. The courts need to decide. The word road needs to be defined. There are seven roads identified that the county agrees to disagree on with the BLM. Our relationship with the BLM has not been harmed.
Huntington said it was his understanding that these roads needed to contain a certain amount of construction.
Killian said that some roads are constructed by use like the old uranium mine roads.
Floyd Johnson said WSAs should contain no roads. But, the language says ways and routes. Gary Petty, lands council member pointed out that Copper Globe has a road through it.
Petersen said there has been much concern since the route designation plan came out in February 2003. Many have expressed concern about routes not listed on the route designation plan and they have wondered why they are not listed as open.
The court is still deciding on whether or not SUWA can intervene in the lawsuit. There is a motion on the appeal, and a decision that SUWA did not have standing will either be upheld or reversed.
The seven roads in question include: Mexican Mountain which is a WSA, closed portion, but the road is cherry stemmed; Sids Leap, within a WSA, Copper Globe, two portions of Link Flat, Segers Hole, Red Hole Draw and Junes Bottom Road.
Petersen said these are a variety of roads with different uses and since the roads are in litigation the county cannot discuss the strategy which will be used in the court case. Mexican Mountain also contains an active airstrip. "We have no agreement on these roads, that is why it is before a judge.
Petersen said they have been asked why pursue a Title 5 to a road if it is a RS-2477 road which resolves the ownership of the road and Title 5 applies to right-of-way to the roads.
RS-2477 roads are not cut and dried and a lot of them in Petersen's opinion will end up in litigation so the county deemed it wise to at least tie down some roads as Title 5.
In determining the status of the road there is a time element involved. RS-2477 roads pertain to all roads constructed from 1866 until 1976. The law on construction of roads led to the settlement of the west. If a road needed to be made to get somewhere, then the federal government granted that right to construct that road for the westward expansion era.
In 1976, the Federal Land Policy Management Act came into existence. Now, to create a road a different process, must be adhered to and Title 5 is a way to do it, (construct a road). The problems arise in that RS-2477 roads were not inventoried and therefore the confusion enters on whether or not a road is a road and when it was created. Newly constructed and reconstructed roads in the county which are Title 5 roads include the Moore Road and the new road to Goblin Valley. New bridges are also Title 5 including the swinging bridge.
Johnson said that the BLM grants right-of-ways to the county to use these roads on BLM land. But, who controls the road is usually a matter of contention. The road is to be maintained according to its purpose. Sometimes a right-of-way is just granted for a certain period of time, like for gas well exploration or those types of activities.
It was pointed out that Congress determines and sets boundaries for wilderness areas and how roads are allowed in wilderness areas has yet to be addressed as all WSAs in Emery County remain as WSAs and their status has not changed in 20 years.
Emery County Commissioner Gary Kofford pointed out that if the county can obtain Title 5 status on roads then there will be no contention on such roads in the future. If Title 5 rights are granted then the county will have proof and a document and the right. Currently the county has no rights and RS-2477 rights have not been proven yet, so they may or may not exist. So the county is looking for some longevity in obtaining rights for these roads. Things change and the BLM management in the future may have different ideas on rights concerning these roads. If the county has nothing to prove rights, then maybe the next group in the BLM management will close more roads. If the county gets Title 5 it will help end contention and the county will have proof that it is a county road, speculated Kofford.
Emery County has taken a different stance than other counties. They have tried to work within the system and partner with the BLM. The attorneys can haggle out the details, while an amiable relationship is maintained between the BLM and the county. Kofford listed those reasons as why the county is looking at Title 5.
Title 5 roads may be more limiting than an RS-2477 right-of-way would be, but currently the federal government is reluctant to acknowledge RS-2477 roads. As the state and county feels it has a legal right to ownership of these roads they are going for recognition from the courts. RS-2477 roads carry an autonomy and can be maintained without permission from the BLM. The county would prefer RS-2477 rights to Title 5 rights.
With a Title 5 the government still owns the road and gives you back a permit with limitations to use and maintain the road. If the user violates any of these limitations the BLM can cancel the right-of-way.