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Preface To Volume One of "Radio Replies"
By RT. REV. MSGR. FULTON J. SHEEN, D.D
There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church which is, of course, quite a different thing. These millions can hardly be blamed for hating Catholics because Catholics "adore statues"; because they "put the Blessed Mother on the same level with God"; because they say "indulgence is a permission to commit sin"; because the Pope "is a Fascist"; because the "Church is the defender of Capitalism." If the Church taught or believed any one of these things it should be hated, but the fact is that the Church does not believe nor teach any one of them. It follows then that the hatred of the millions is directed against error and not against truth. As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do.
If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates. My reason for doing this would be, that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, He must still be hated as He was when He was on earth in the flesh. If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world. Look for the Church that is hated by the world, as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church which is accused of being behind the times, as Our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned. Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior, as they sneered at Our Lord because He came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil, as Our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils. Look for the Church which, in seasons of bigotry, men say must be destroyed in the name of God as men crucified Christ and thought they had done a service to God. Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible, as Pilate rejected Christ because He called Himself the Truth. Look for the Church which is rejected by the world as Our Lord was rejected by men. Look for the Church which amid the confusion of conflicting opinions, its members love as they love Christ, and respect its Voice as the very voice of its Founder, and the suspicion will grow, that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world, then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly, it is other-worldly. Since it is other-worldly it is infinitely loved and infinitely hated as was Christ Himself. But only that which is Divine can be infinitely hated and infinitely loved. Therefore the Church is Divine.
If then, the hatred of the Church is founded on erroneous beliefs, it follows that basic need of the day is instruction. Love depends on knowledge for we cannot aspire nor desire the unknown. Our great country is filled with what might be called marginal Christians, i.e., those who live on the fringe of religion and who are descendants of Christian living parents, but who now are Christians only in name. They retain a few of its ideals out of indolence and force of habit; they knew the glorious history of Christianity only through certain emasculated forms of it, which have married the spirit of the age and are now dying with it. Of Catholicism and its sacraments, its pardon, its grace, its certitude and its peace, they know nothing except a few inherited prejudices. And yet they are good people who want to do the right thing, but who have no definite philosophy concerning it. They educate their children without religion, and yet they resent the compromising morals of their children. They would be angry if you told them they were not Christian, and yet they do not believe that Christ is God. They resent being called pagans and yet they never take a practical cognizance of the existence of God. There is only one thing of which they are certain and that is that things are not right as they are. It is just that single certitude which makes them what might be called the great "potentials," for they are ready to be pulled in either of two directions. Within a short time they must take sides; they must either gather with Christ or they must scatter; they must either be with Him or against Him; they must either be on the cross as other Christs, or under it as other executioners. Which way will these marginal Christians tend? The answer depends upon those who have the faith. Like the multitudes who followed Our Lord into the desert, they are as sheep without a shepherd. They are waiting to be shepherded either with the sheep or goats. Only this much is certain. Being human and having hearts they want more than class struggle and economics; they want Life, they want Truth, and they want Love. In a word, they want Christ.
It is to these millions who believe wrong things about the Church and to these marginal Christians, that this little book is sent. It is not to prove that they are "wrong"; it is not to prove that we are "right"; it is merely to present the truth in order that the truth may conquer through the grace of God. When men are starving, one need not go to them and tell them to avoid poison; nor to eat bread because there are vitamins in bread. One need only go to them and tell them that they are starving and here is bread, and the laws of nature will do the rest. This book of "Radio Replies" with 1,588 questions and answers goes out on a similar mission. Its primary task is not to humble the erroneous; not to glorify the Catholic Church as intellectual and self-righteous, but to present the truth in a calm, clear manner in order that with the grace of God souls may come to the blessed embrace of Christ.
It is not only the point of "Radio Replies" to prove that the Church is the only completely soul-satisfying Church in existence at the present day; it is also to suggest that the Catholic Church is the only Church existing today which goes back to the time of Christ. History is so very clear on this point, it is curious how many minds miss its obviousness. When therefore you, the readers of "Radio Replies" in the twentieth century, wish to know about Christ and about His early Church, and about His mysteries, we ask you to go not only to the written records but to the living Church which began with Christ Himself. That Church or that Mystical Person which has been living all these centuries is the basis of our faith and to us Catholics it speaks this way: "I live with Christ. I saw His Mother and I know her to be a Virgin and the loveliest and purest of all women in heaven or on earth; I saw Christ at Caesarea-Philippi, when, after changing Simon's name to Rock, He told him he was the rock upon which the Church would be built and that it would endure unto the consummation of the world. I saw Christ hanging on a cross and I saw Him rise from His tomb; I saw Magdalene rush to His feet; I saw the angels clad in white beside the great stone; I was in the Cenacle room when doubting Thomas put fingers into His hands; I was on Olivet when He ascended into heaven and promised to send His Spirit to the apostles to make them the foundation of His new Mystical Body on earth. I was at the stoning of Stephen, saw Saul hold the garments of those who slew him, and later I heard Saul, as Paul, preach Christ and Him crucified; I witnessed the beheading of Peter and Paul in Rome, and with my very eyes saw tens of thousands of martyrs crimson the sands with their blood, rather than deny the faith Peter and Paul had preached unto them; I was living when Boniface was sent to Germany, when Augustine when to England, Cyril and Methodius to the Poles, and Patrick to Ireland; at the beginning of the ninth century I recall seeing Charlemagne crowned as king in matters temporal as Peter's vicar was recognized as supreme in matters spiritual; in the thirteenth century I saw the great stones cry out in tribute to me, and burst into Gothic Cathedrals; in the shadows of those same walls I saw great Cathedrals of thought arise in the prose of Aquinas and Bonaventure, and in the poetry of Dante; in the sixteenth century I saw my children softened by the spirit of the world leave the Father's house and reform the faith instead of reforming discipline which would have brought them back again into my embrace; in the last century and at the beginning of this I heard the world say it could not accept me because I was behind the times. I am not behind the times, I am only behind the scenes. I have adapted myself to every form of government the world has ever known; I have lived with Caesars and kings, tyrants and dictators, parliaments and presidents, monarchies and republics. I have welcomed every advance of science, and were it not for me the great records of the pagan world would not have been preserved. It is true I have not changed my doctrine, but that is because the doctrine is not mine but His who sent Me. I change my garments which belong to time, but not my Spirit which belongs to eternity. In the course of my long life I have seen so many modern ideas become unmodern, that I know I shall live to chant a requiem over the modern ideas of this day, as I chanted it over the modern ideas of the last century. I celebrated the nineteen-hundredth anniversary of the death of my Redeemer and yet I am no older now than then, for my Spirit is Eternal, and the Eternal never ages. I am the abiding Personage of the centuries. I am the contemporary of all civilizations. I am never out of date, because the dateless; never out of time, because the timeless. I have four great marks: I am One, because I have the same Soul I had in the beginning; I am Holy, because that Soul is the Spirit of Holiness; I am Catholic, because that Spirit pervades every living cell of my Body; I am Apostolic, because my origin is identical with Nazareth, Galilee and Jerusalem. I shall grow weak when my members become rich and cease to pray, but I shall never die. I shall be persecuted as I am persecuted now in Mexico and Russia; I shall be crucified as I was on Calvary, but I shall rise again, and finally when time shall be no more, and I shall have grown to my full stature, then shall I be taken into heaven as the bride of my Head, Christ, where the celestial nuptials shall be celebrated, and God shall be all in all, because His Spirit is Love and Love is Heaven."
Introduction To The American Edition Of "Radio Replies" Vol One
"Radio Replies" TAN Books
"Radio Replies" by Rev. Dr. Rumble, M.S.C., is the result of five years of answering questions during a one-hour Question Box Program over Radio Station 2SM Sydney, N.S.W. The revision of "Radio Replies" for American readers was prompted by the widespread interest the Australian edition created among Protestants and Catholics during the summer of 1937, when I was carrying on as a Catholic Campaigner for Christ, the Apostolate to the man in the street through the medium of my trailer and loud-speaking system. In the distribution of pamphlets and books on Catholicism "Radio Replies" proved the most talked of book carried in my trailer display of Catholic literature. The clergy and laymen engaged in Street Preaching agree that it is not so much what you say over the microphone in answer to questions from open air listeners but what you GET INTO THEIR HANDS TO READ.
My many converts of the highways and parks throughout the Archdiocese of St. Paul have embraced the faith as a result of studying this book. Whole families have come into the Church through reading the book by this renowned convert from Anglicanism. The delay in getting copies from Sydney and the prohibitive cost of the book on this side of the universe led me to petition the author to have published a CHEAP AMERICAN EDITION in order to get this Encyclopaedia of Catholic Doctrine into the hands of fellow citizens. Because of the author's genius for brevity, preciseness, fearlessness and keen logic that avoids the usually long Scriptural and Traditional arguments of the average question and answer book, which is beyond the capacity of the man in the street, this manual of 1,588 questions and replies has already attracted readers throughout Australia, New Zealand, Africa, India, England, Ireland, Canada and now the United States.
The questions he answers are the questions I had to answer before friendly and hostile audiences throughout my summer campaign. The piquant and provocative subject matter of this book makes it a fascinating assembly of 300 or more worth-while pamphlet tracts, a dictionary of doctrine for the desk of the FAMILY, the STUDENT, the SHOP HAND, the OFFICE WORKER, the ATTORNEY, the DOCTOR, the TEACHER, and the PREACHER. It is a handy standard reference book of excellence for popular questions which are more than ever being asked by restless and bewildered multitudes. It is a textbook for the Confraternities of Christian Doctrine Classes and Study Clubs.
A non-Catholic Professor after reading the book stated that, "If the Catholic Church could defend herself so logically as 'Radio Replies' demonstrates, then I do not see why you don't get more converts." Members of the Knights of Columbus, the Holy Name Societies and numerous women's societies have written in that they no longer have to apologetically say, "I can't answer that one." Catholic students in non-sectarian colleges and universities write in that they now walk the campus with this book under their arms, ready for all challenges and that this manual of ready reference has cured their INFERIORITY COMPLEX ON EXPOSITION OF CATHOLIC CLAIMS. Lapsed Catholics have come into my trailer-office to confess that the reading of "Radio Replies" has brought them back to the Church.
I am grateful to His Excellency Archbishop John G. Murray, D.D. for his approval of this compendium of dogmatic and moral theology for readers of the American Commonwealth and I am deeply appreciative to Rt. Rev. Msgr. Fulton J. Sheen, D.D. for writing the Preface to this American edition.
From my experience on the Catholic Radio Hour, on the lecture platform, and in the pulpit, I do not hesitate to say that HERE AT LAST is the book that has something for everybody, the book for the UNINFORMED CATHOLIC, THE UNEDUCATED AND EDUCATED LAPSED CATHOLIC, and the PROSPECTIVE CONVERT.
Rev. Charles Mortimer Carty
Historical Context of "Radio Replies"
By markomalley
If one recalls the time frame from which Radio Replies emerged, it can explain some of the frankness and lack of tact in the nature of the responses provided.
It was during this timeframe that a considerable amount of anti-Catholic rhetoric came to the forefront, particularly in this country. Much of this developed during the Presidential campaign of Al Smith in 1928, but had its roots in the publication of Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons, originally published in book form in 1919 and also published in pamphlet form in 1853.
While in Britain (and consequently Australia), the other fellow would surely have experienced the effects of the Popery Act, the Act of Settlement, the Disenfranchising Act, the Ecclesiastical Titles Act, and many others since the reformation (that basically boiled down to saying, "We won't kill you if you just be good, quiet little Catholics"). Even the so-called Catholic Relief Acts (1778, 1791, 1829, 1851, 1871) still had huge barriers placed in the way.
And of course, they'd both remember the American Protective Association, "Guy Fawkes Days" (which included burning the Pontiff in effigy), the positions of the Whigs and Ultra-Torries, and so on.
A strong degree of "in your face" from people in the position of authoritativeness was required back in the 1930s, as there was a large contingent of the populations of both the US and the British Empire who were not at all shy about being "in your face" toward Catholics in the first place (in other words, a particularly contentious day on Free Republic would be considered a mild day in some circles back then). Sure, in polite, educated circles, contention was avoided (thus the little ditty about it not being polite to discuss religion in public, along with sex and politics), but it would be naive to assume that we all got along, or anything resembling that, back in the day.
Having said all of the above, reading the articles from the modern mindset and without the historical context that I tried to briefly summarize above, they make challenging reading, due to their bluntness.
The reader should also keep in mind that the official teaching of the Church takes a completely different tone, best summed up in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers .... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324
270 Cf. CIC, can. 751.
271 Origen, Hom. in Ezech. 9,1:PG 13,732.
274 UR 3 § 2; cf. LG 15.
275 Cf. UR 3.
276 Cf. LG 8.
324 Paul VI, Discourse, December 14, 1975; cf. UR 13-18.
Radio Replies Volume Two: Proof of God's Existence
Radio Replies Volume Two: God's Nature
Radio Replies Volume Two: Supreme Control Over All Things and the Problem of Suffering and Evil
Radio Replies Volume Two: Destiny of Man/Death
Radio Replies Volume Two: Immortality of Man's Soul & Pre-existence Denied
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Human Free Will
Radio Replies Volume Two: Determinism Absurd
Radio Replies Volume Two: Necessity of Religion
Radio Replies Volume Two: Salvation of the Soul
Radio Replies Volume Two: Voice of Science
Radio Replies Volume Two: Religious Racketeers
Radio Replies Volume Two: Divine Revelation
Radio Replies Volume Two: Revealed Mysteries
Radio Replies Volume Two: Existence of Miracles
Radio Replies Volume Two: Gospels Historical
Radio Replies Volume Two: Missing Books of the Bible
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Bible Inspired
Radio Replies Volume Two: Biblical Account of Creation
Radio Replies Volume Two: New Testament Problems
Radio Replies Volume Two: Supposed Contradictions in Sacred Scripture
Radio Replies Volume Two: Source of Christian Teaching
Radio Replies Volume Two: Jewish Rejecton of Christ
Radio Replies Volume Two: Christianity a New Religion
Radio Replies Volume Two: Rational Foundation for Belief
Radio Replies Volume Two: Causes of Unbelief
Radio Replies Volume Two: Divisions Amongst Christians
Radio Replies Volume Two: Schisms Unjustified
Radio Replies Volume Two: Facing the Problem
Radio Replies Volume Two: Wrong Approach
Radio Replies Volume Two: Is One Religion as Good as Another?
Radio Replies Volume Two: Obligation of Inquiry
Radio Replies Volume Two: Charity and Tolerance
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Petrine Text
Radio Replies Volume Two: St. Peter's Supremacy
Radio Replies Volume Two: St. Peter in Rome
Radio Replies Volume Two: Temporal Power
Radio Replies Volume Two: Infallibility
Radio Replies Volume Two: Unity of the Church
Radio Replies Volume Two: Holiness of the Church
Radio Replies Volume Two: Catholicity of the Church
Radio Replies Volume Two: Apostolicity of the Church
Radio Replies Volume Two: Indefectibility of the Church
Radio Replies Volume Two: Obligation to be a Catholic
Radio Replies Volume Two: Need of Tradition
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Teaching Authority of the Catholic Church
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Claims of Science
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Holy Trinity
Oops, my mistake...I thought I had logged into a conservative website...I'll try to be more careful in the future.
Sounds to me like you have your own trinity thing going, but...
You still have the problem of "the Word was God" ... "and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."
The super-essential nature of God is not a subject for speech or thought or even contemplation, for it is far removed from all that exists and more than unknowable . . . incomprehensible and ineffable to all for ever. There is no name whereby it can be named, neither in this age nor in the age to come, nor word found in the soul and uttered by the tongue, nor contact whether sensible or intellectual, nor yet any image which may afford any knowledge of its subject. . . None can properly name its essence or nature if he be truly seeking the truth that is above all truth. +Gregory Palamas
Yes, it is profoundly true that Jesus was and is and will continue to be the Word. It is not a problem.
God the Father commanded and assigned Jesus to create this Earth, the Sun, the Moon, the planets, and the stars (with their planets). Being the Word means that Jesus carried out the WILL of His Father, who is our Supreme God. Jesus also brought to Earth the GOSPEL, the Good News, which is the "Word" of God.
John 6:38 "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."
Did you know that God's commandment for Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac had a two fold purpose? One was to test Abraham's faithfulness and ability to trust. The second was to "foreshadow" the Great and Last Sacrifice in which Jesus performed the Atonement. Abraham foreshadowed God the Father, whose name is Elohim. Isaac foreshadowed Jesus, whose name is Jehovah (also known as "I AM THAT I AM), the God of the Old Testament!
The super-essential nature of God is not a subject for speech or thought or even contemplation, for it is far removed from all that exists...."
This statement is rooted in the hyper Paganism of the time of Constantine. Please accept the loving kindness and the deeply personal caring that God has for each of us! He is not an abstract being that cannot be comprehended. He is a real Person! We were created in His IMAGE! We wants us to love Him in a very real and personal manner. Just like a son or daughter should love the earthly and mortal parents, we are privileged to love our Creator.
John 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."
John 17:8 "For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me."
"This statement is rooted in the hyper Paganism of the time of Constantine."
Who taught you this nonsense? What is this based on? Read Homilies LXXIII & LXXXI on the Gospel according to John by +John Chrysostomos.
As for the quote I posted, it's from the 14th century, not the 4th.
Of course, I'm aware of the typology of Issac.
I'm curious about your trinity. Is this of your own discovery or is there a particular theology or denomination associated with it?
Deathbed Request: 'Tell me About the Trinity
Catholic Doctrine on the Holy Trinity
The Most Holy Trinity
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Trinity [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Holy Trinity (excerpt from the Light of Faith by St. Thomas Aquinas)
The Concept of the Most Holy Trinity - The Relationship between the Three Persons in One God
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 3: God and the Holy Trinity
Sheed on the Trinity (Catholic Caucus)
The Father as the Source of the Whole Trinity - Greek and Latin Traditions About the Filioque
Trinity Facts
The Real Trinity
We believe in one only God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Brief Reflections on the Trinity, the Canon of Scripture, and the Protestant idea of Sola Scriptura
Why Do We Believe in the Trinity?
The Holy Trinity
Trinity Sunday (and the Trinity season)
Trinitarian Mystery
HaSheeloosh HaKadosh: The Holy Trinity
The Divine Trinity
"As for the quote I posted, its from the 14th century, not the 4th."
Much of the Catholic church literature is based on the mistakes and wickedness and corruption of Emperor Constantine who was strongly rooted in the Paganism of his time, namely the 4th century A.D. All the Catholic literature have continued with the same confusion. I do not have time to read the homilies of your various church fathers from various time periods. My convictions is based on my extensive readings and searchings of the King James version of the Bible and the Book of Mormon.
The prophet Daniel was able to interpret Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The last part had to do with the feet of the image that was part iron and part clay. This was probably meant to represent the Roman Empire in its decline. The Catholic church was part of that. Then we see that in Daniel 2:34 "Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces."
That stone that smashed the image is represented by "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" which was established on April 6, 1830 under the direction of Jesus. I am a member of this church.
"Im curious about your trinity. Is this of your own discovery or is there a particular theology or denomination associated with it?"
A much better term than "Trinity" would be the "Godhead" which truly represents three distinct beings who are actual persons in whose image we were created. Not some abstract or undefinable entity.
Please refer to post 13 for my answer to your question.
So, you're LDS.
That would mean multiple gods, polytheism.
I think your use of the epithet "pagan" on this thread is a little ironic.
"That would mean multiple gods, polytheism. I think your use of the epithet pagan on this thread is a little ironic."
I sympathize with your concern about the "apparent" irony.
However, Mormons have no trouble in understanding the clear hierarchy of the Godhead, consisting of God the Father, named Elohim, the Supreme God, and Jesus Christ, named Jehovah who is the Word and the "Right Hand of God" and subordinate to the Father. We have no question about the perfect harmony (unity) between the 3 members of the Godhead. We object strongly to different churches' attempts to teach that the 3 beings are part of one substance or other similar mumbo jumbo.
There is an interesting statement that Jesus made in John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (See Psalms 82:6) Jesus is not teaching polytheism but is supporting our potential to be joint-heirs with Him (see earlier posts).
There is no similarity with Greek or Roman pagan belief of polytheism with its chaotic array of competing and contentious gods.
I apologize for the "epithet" because I am not interested in attacking other people. There is no question that there are numerous Catholics and Protestants who are stellar Christians that give truly Christlike service, such as Mother Teresa. However, I will not shy away from denouncing the false doctrine of the Trinity which is blatantly obscuring the wonderful personhood of the 3 members of the Godhead.
"How's that "Native Americans are a lost tribe of Jews" thing working out for you guys?"
If you are referring to the controversy having to do with the DNA evidence, question of Asians coming over the land bridge to America, and other issues, the jury is still out.
There are still several unknowns. Such as whether there were other peoples already inhabiting the America continent at the time the "Book of Mormon" people arrived from the old Jerusalem. We do not even know where the events described in the Book of Mormon took place on the American continent. If you are interested, you can search out these topics in www.fairlds.org.
"Unity in purpose" is the way I've heard it put for LDS. But so do the boy scouts, so this isn't unity as in monotheism. You have God the Father having a simple location. And you have three gods.
This is polythesim.
And, it's a very immature theology. Gods on planets, etc. This is the stuff of early paganism. Zeus and Thor aside, you have multiple Gods existing at a definite location up there in the sky/universe. This is the stuff of primitive societies, a childish view left behind by Judaism millennia ago. You are pre-Judaic in theology.
I think LDS has a ways to go to even begin to understand monotheism, much less the Holy Trinity.
I'm sorry, "You have three gods." was a mistake.
I believe in your theology there's, what, thousands more, counting LDS?
It was remarkably like the area where Joseph Smith lived, down to the place names.
Book of Mormon
Northeast US
However, LDS where unsuccessful in finding any archeological record of the major civilizations and battles of the BOM there. So the hunt continues forever Southward. I believe they're down to Central America now
I would be interested in knowing what your thoughts and perspectives on the scriptures cited previously: whole chapter of John 17 (ONENESS of Godhead with Apostles and with followers of Christ), Rom. 8:17 (joint-heirs with Christ), and John 10:34/Psalms 82:6 (Ye are gods)?
The fact that Jesus is the Heir indicates that He is a distinct person and will continue to exist as a person for Eternity. If Jesus and God the Father were of the same substance (or same entity), then it would not make sense for Jesus to proclaim that He came to do the Will of the Father (John 6:38).
What does it mean to you that we were created in the IMAGE of God? It is recorded in scripture that a number of prophets have talked with God "face to face" which indicates that God has an anthropomorphic appearance. Also, it is recorded that God has feelings and passions and determination, which is further evidence of the Personhood for each member of the Godhead.
"It was remarkably like the area where Joseph Smith lived, down to the place names."
This is humorous. However, most Mormons believe that Lehi and his family traveled from the Midian Peninsula (present day Saudi Arabia) eastward to the west coast of the Americas. I don't think they would have marched 2 or 3 thousand miles to the Great Lakes area.
There is an Aztec legend of the visitation of Quetzalcoatl, often referred to as The Bearded White God. Mormons believe this is based on the actual visit of Christ in the Americas.
See John 10:
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Here is Jesus talking about His intention to go visit the "other sheep" located in a different place. Mormons teach that this was in the Americas.
However, most Mormons believe that Lehi and his family traveled from the Midian Peninsula (present day Saudi Arabia) eastward to the west coast of the Americas.
Absolutely no archeological evidence for the events in the BOM. Huge civilizations, armies, huge battles, no evidence at all. Unlike biblical evidence for Judaism and Christianity.
There is an Aztec legend of the visitation of Quetzalcoatl, often referred to as The Bearded White God. Mormons believe this is based on the actual visit of Christ in the Americas.
Or it could be Moses, or a Viking, or anything you like. The Central American civilizations bear no resemblance to the BOM civilizations. LDS is grasping at any straw. As I said, after North America (which the original Mormons believed was the site), was debunked, the search continued Southward - and still no evidence.
Mormons teach that this was in the Americas.
I know they do. The main topic of Smith's time was "where did the Indians come from?" (American Indians). Smith used this as part of the story. Until the real origin was proven - and it wasn't anywhere near Smith's story. The Central American Indians origin is not according to BOM either; it a red herring.
Smith has been completely debunked. His "translation" of the Book of Abraham is more than sufficient proof of fraud, and yet there's much more proof. The LDS will tell you to go with your burning in your heart or some such, when faced with solid evidence that the whole thing is bunko.
The Trinity consists of three persons in one Godhead. But not persons as "individual, self-actualized center of free will and conscious activity." "The one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
One substance (not in the sense of a material substance), rather than the one in "purpose" as LDS teaches.
The Word became flesh." God did not become another God or create another God or beget another God.
What does it mean to you that we were created in the IMAGE of God?
Primarily that we know the difference between good and evil.
It is recorded in scripture that a number of prophets have talked with God face to face which indicates that God has an anthropomorphic appearance.Or a burning bush. It would be something that man could see, could even be something familiar, but God is not contained by the burning bush or any other physical object.
Also, it is recorded that God has feelings and passions and determination, which is further evidence of the Personhood for each member of the Godhead.
We anthropomorphize God. Full comprehension of God is always beyond any man. Attributing passions would necessitate and changing God. God is unchanging and not subject to passions.
However, most Mormons believe that Lehi and his family traveled from the Midian Peninsula (present day Saudi Arabia) eastward to the west coast of the Americas.
Absolutely no archeological evidence for the events in the BOM. Huge civilizations, armies, huge battles, no evidence at all. Unlike biblical evidence for Judaism and Christianity.
I'll just say a few things:
1. Please go to fairlds.org for a number of findings in Central America.
2. There were cataclysmic earthquakes: 1811/12 New Madrid, Missouri (covered several states); tremendous upheavals in the Americas at time of the Crucifixion.
3. The name of a village not known in Joseph Smith's time. The Book of Mormon indicates that Lehi's family stopped by Nahom on their way to SE corner of Saudi Arabia. This name was only later found by archeologists. Joseph had very little education, he had no way for coming up with this village name (see http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/Arabia_and_the_Book_of_Mormon.html).
4. You should refrain from using the word "absolutely". It is unscientific.
The LDS will tell you to go with your burning in your heart or some such, when faced with solid evidence that the whole thing is bunko.
Millions of Mormons, including myself, have received a witness of the spirit. I have thought seriously about my experiences. I know that I cannot turn it "on and off" on my own and I know that this experience is separate from my emotions. All I can say is for you to follow the suggestion of the Savior in John 7:17 (obtain your witness by reading the Book of Mormon, you can get a complimentary copy by going to lds.org).
What does it mean to you that we were created in the IMAGE of God?
Primarily that we know the difference between good and evil.
This does not make sense. How does this relate to our appearance as "humanoids" with heads, arms, legs, etc? Good and Evil has to do with actions or choices, not appearance. When God created Adam and Eve, He made them to have the same form as His "appearance".
It is recorded in scripture that a number of prophets have talked with God face to face which indicates that God has an anthropomorphic appearance.
Or a burning bush. It would be something that man could see, could even be something familiar, but God is not contained by the burning bush or any other physical object.
God used the burning bush to draw Moses up the mountain so he could be alone with Him. But Moses most likely did not see God at first, he only heard His voice. Later, as he gained more experience and purification, he was permitted to see the face of God.
Also, it is recorded that God has feelings and passions and determination, which is further evidence of the Personhood for each member of the Godhead.
We anthropomorphize God. Full comprehension of God is always beyond any man. Attributing passions would necessitate and changing God. God is unchanging and not subject to passions.
There are numerous references in the Bible where God refers to Himself as having body parts (in the IMAGE of the humanoid):
Exodus 33:11,23
Isaiah 6:1
Amos 9:1
John 14:9 (the earthly appearance of Jesus is like that of Heavenly Father)
There are also numerous references that show God as having many kinds of strong feelings (passions both joyful and angry):
Exodus 32:10
Isaiah 65:2-3,19
It is quite disturbing that people would prefer to theorize of an abstract entity that has no feelings and did not create man in His IMAGE. Satan is delighted if he can hoodwink people into believing this which would cause them to become more alienated from God.
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STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- While only one received the grand prize, each participant in Staten Island University Hospital's Slim Down Challenge went home a winner.
Modeled on the boroughwide Slim Down Challenge that Dr. Maureen Becker, a physical therapist, and Tony Avilez, a trainer and lifestyle coach, hold each year, hospital officials requested that Avilez bring his patented brand of healthy living to the medical center's staff. The results, he said, were overwhelming.
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About 125 hospital employees participated in the 10-week fitness challenge. Of that number, five were selected as finalists, each receiving prizes for their efforts. Maria McCabe of Tottenville, a nurse practitioner at the hospital, took home the gold -- a $1,000 grand prize -- for the most dramatic improvement.
"It was a lot of hard work, not just with me but with all the contestants," she said, calling the entire experience "rewarding."
If the before-and-after pictures were any indication, each participant gained more for his or her well-being than any monetary prize could ever bring. Writing a short essay on what the experience meant to them, the finalists admitted there were points during the program at which they felt hopeless, but that with Avilez's guidance, they pulled through.
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Eulogist Matthew Restuccio conveyed his father's unique style and giving nature through stories that made his hearers both laugh and cry.
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Younger's signing at SIC is the second of local area kids as head coach Jeremy Irlbeck also signed Gallatin County's Wes McGuire. In total, Irlbeck has signed four for next year's class.
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I saw it last night, it was so funny. One of the promos was her held up by four guys on one of those bed type things (think Egyptian Pharoah) and she starts messing with one of the guys hair and he loses his balance so she falls off. Another is her about to blow out her candles and a disco ball (if I remember correctly) falls down and the icing on the cake splatters all over her and she lets out this amazing scream (which was the funniest part).
I can't believe she was 14 in the promo, she's a year older than me and I did NOT look that grown up at 14. She looked at least 16 (which is the age she was playing).
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Thanks, Anotheramy! I was curious about that when I watched the awards and wanted to check it out.
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Tuesday, December 12, 2006
Apocalypto (Mel Gibson, 2006)
Attaching the word 'maverick' to Gibson really puzzles me--since when was ultraviolence in a movie a financial risk? What kind of artistic risk is Gibson taking--subtitles? Religion? Ancient civilizations? Throw in a testicle joke at the beginning then get a jaguar to eat a man's face (glancingly edited, but repeated often enough that you can tell Gibson wants you to see every shred of torn-off skin) and people will come to watch anything. I don't see risk taking; I see pandering to the audience's lowest common denominator: slapstick and sadism. This is the inverse of what Ang Lee does when he deals with wuxia pian or homosexuality--he irons out what's difficult or knotty about the material, injects good taste and artful cinematography, and presents it as gourmet fare for the intellectual moviegoer (in Gibson's case, it's artful cinematography and sadism, and his audience is mostly adolescent yahoos who come to see the face-ripping).
As for the action--stepping into quicksand? Jumping off waterfalls? Elaborate booby traps with swinging spikes? Picking pursuers off with arrows (poisoned darts, here)? Stallone did this sort of thing better in his movies, and his xenophobia wasn't half as bad (still pretty rabid, though). Gibson also cribs a lot from Mann's far superior Last of the Mohicans (the waterfall jump, for one), only Mann being four times the director Gibson is doesn't go for pornographically prolonged closeups of welling blood or held-up organs (it's the lingering that bothers me, not what's actually being done).
I read Gibson being compared to Mann (well, duh), Malick, Griffith and I have to shake my head. The mention of Malick is just about incomprehensible--the only way Gibson views vegetation is as a backdrop, rushing past in a green blur; Griffith, on the other hand, is a telling comparison. One praises Griffith for his filmmaking the same time one condemns his clueless racism. I can see Gibson being likened to Griffith with regards to cluelessness (I've made the comparison myself) but I can't see Gibson being put in the same league as Griffith with regards to talent (Charles Laughton is mentioned too; I imagine poor Laughton would be horrified at the comparison, if he ever met the man). Griffith didn't just excite; he extrapolated from existing filmmaking techniques and out of sheer need brought forth new techniques to accomodate his vision--brought forth, in effect much of the language that narrative film speaks, even to this day.
More, Griffith's palette was considerably broader--not just epic action, but light comedy, poignant drama, and realism gritty enough and vivid enough to inspire at least one major filmmaker (Sergei Eisenstein) to direct some of his best-known films accordingly.
The anti-Mayan vibe I get is disgusting. This Washington Post article sums up better than I could all the mistakes Gibson makes, and they are not inconsiderable. Perhaps the most disturbing trend in Gibson's distortions, though, is what he gets right and what he twists around to satisfy his agenda: the headgear, facial scars, tatooing and weaponry are authentic enough to be admired by the experts, but Gibson can't even be bothered to accuse his villains of the right atrocities (the Mayans, for example, didn't use slaves to build their temples, and they didn't go for Nazi or Killing Fields-style mass burials; the Aztecs did. But one brownface looks just like another for Gibson, apparently)
Coincidentally, I just saw the DVD of an ancient Dr. Who episode, The Aztecs (1964) and couldn't help but notice that its take on Pre-Columbian Mesoamerican culture seems more complex and nuanced. It captures the nobility, cruelty, magnificence and decadence of the late Aztecs (in a kiddie show at that!)--who, unlike Gibson's Mayans, are able to predict solar eclipses, even count on their regular (if rare) occurence for religious ceremonies.
Compare that to the overall picture Gibson paints of the Mayan civilization. First major movie about these people and all we see are kidnappers, rapists, torturers and mass-murderers, when they're not being decadent assholes.
Maybe Gibson was thinking the Mayans have died out unlike the Jews, so no one's around to protest. Got some news for him: there are still Mayans around and they aren't happy with the movie either. The most salient point Assistant Professor Traci Ardren makes in her review (in the Archeological Institute of America's journal) is that the movie shows the "Maya people (being) brutal to one another long before the arrival of Europeans and thus they deserved, in fact, needed, rescue." More grist for Gibson's retarded sense of Catholicism, I suppose.
I can't say enough how repelled I was by this movie--it isn't so much the violence I object to, when all is said and done; it's the viciousness. All the leering brown faces with horrifying teeth made me conscious of my own brown skin, and how Gibson might regard me if he would point his sadomasochistic lenses in my direction. How would Gibson paint us Filipinos, if he ever bothered? As leeringly sadomasochistic dogeaters, who deserve to be oppressed by the Spaniards for four hundred years? I'd hate to see the day.
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- Gloria said...
I also think that Laughton would have disliked being compared with Gibson. I think that it is curious that Gibson is so adherent of violence and patriotism, but has never been involved in an actual war: Laughton, by contrast, had served in the trenches during World War 1 and subsequently abhorred violence. He one commented sadly -upon watching the photo of a Elephant child shot by a producer- on the Hollywood habit of his time of going a-hunting to Africa (as Darryl F. Zanuck or John Huston did).
IMHO Gibson tends to be over-rethoric about violence
- 9:39 AM, December 13, 2006
- Noel Vera said...
Lovely anecdote on Laughton, gloria. I noticed the trend in other people too--Kerry says he regrets approving the sending of troops to Iraq, McCain spoke out against the US torture policies (well, he gave token resistance) while Bush Jr.--who has never seen a minute of actual combat--doesn't even seem to care what's happening out there, beyond the effect it's having on his popularity.
- 10:16 PM, December 13, 2006
- Campaspe said...
Noel, this is the best take-down of Apocalypto I have seen. Who in God's name is comparing him to Laughton? there is very little actual violence in Night of the Hunter. The flagellation scene in Passion of the Christ probably would have sent Laughton to bed for a week. How would you compare Gibson's attitude toward the Mayans with, say, Griffith's characterization of the Chinese man in Broken Blossoms? The Griffith character is a stereotype of course (the "Yellow Man"), but he is also the only man in the film with tenderness and the sensibility of an artist. From your review, I get the feeling Gibson's imagination would find it hard to endow a Mayan with such qualities.
- 8:20 AM, December 17, 2006
- Noel Vera said...
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- 12:46 AM, December 18, 2006
- Noel Vera said...
And, oh geez--thanks for the extremely kind words, Siren! I suspect you aren't planning to see the movie, which is a pity--your and TLHRB's take on the picture would be, I suspect, an enormous help in correcting the guy's image...
- 12:47 AM, December 18, 2006
- Noel Vera said...
Who compares Gibson to Laughton? Not surprisingly, Armond White.
He's nuts, often in a funny way, with that overcompensating pugilistic stance of his, but things tend to stop being funny where Gibson's involved (I think the Oscars and the boxoffice clout has something to do with that). Even a reasonably intelligent conservative like William F. Buckley could see through Gibson's bullshit.
I've thought about Barthelmess' performance in Broken Blossoms, and I can see several crucial differences:
1) it may be in many ways stereotypical, but it's not a hateful stereotype--if anything, it errs on the side of being embarrassingly gentle (and rather sexless);
2) the violence, arguably more disturbing than anything seen in Apocalypto (mainly because we actually care about the characters concerned) doesn't come from some minor ethnic group that the director chose possibly because they couldn't fight back;
3) the violence is more than justified, I submit--it shows the kind of unreasoning hatred inspired by even the suspicion of miscegenation, and
4) Griffith, for all his blind racism and clunky 19th century sense of melodrama, is an incomparably greater filmmaker than Gibson could ever hope to be. If we must admire his films, and I find I must, the admiration should be always accompanied by criticism and a sober reminder of his many flaws. Gibson deserves no less--and I can't even begin to consider him an artist.
- 12:50 AM, December 18, 2006
- Campaspe said...
What an excellent capsule analysis of Broken Blossoms, a film that I have great affection for. I had an argument about it a long while ago on another blog, wish you'd been around. That focused not on the racism, however, but the construction of the film itself.
- 9:48 AM, December 18, 2006
- Noel Vera said...
It's been years since I've seen the film, but I can't imagine it having any imperfections in the structure. Some aspects of Barthelemess' Chinaman and the way it's conceived, but not the structure. Do you remember what the complaints were?
- 9:49 PM, December 18, 2006
- guile said...
max has gone truly mad..
- 8:24 PM, December 21, 2006
- Noel Vera said...
Filmmakers go mad all the time, and I love em for it; I just don't think Gibson did in an interesting way...
- 2:21 AM, December 26, 2006
- Oggs Cruz said...
My thoughts exactly,
I was disgusted by the film; loved the cinematography though. But there's just this feeling of monstrosity that gets over my head whenever humans start appearing in Gibson's scenes. What's worse is that Gibson keeps on insisting on history and reality on his repulsive depictions of humanity. I hope to write on this as soon as I recuperate from Gibson's gibberish.
- 3:10 AM, February 01, 2007
- Noel Vera said...
Sic em, oggs!
- 2:20 AM, February 02, 2007
- Yoel Meranda said...
i haven't seen "Apocalypto" (or the "Jesus" one), but wonderful post Noel!
- 8:46 AM, March 27, 2007
- Noel Vera said...
Thanks Yoel--I'm surprised you're reading this far back.
Actually, there's a new controversy brewing--hope to write about it in the next few days...
- 1:35 AM, March 28, 2007
I liked the film and I still do, while understanding your take on the film when I read this:
"who, unlike Gibson's Mayans, are able to predict solar eclipses, even count on their regular (if rare) occurence for religious ceremonies."
Untrue, this ceremony in the film shows how the people who have power, and the knowledge, manipulate the mob. It was obvious, so it cast a sorry light on your review.
- 11:15 AM, October 12, 2013
- Noel Vera said...
"this ceremony in the film shows how the people who have power, and the knowledge, manipulate the mob"
Gibson's scene suggests that the Mayan religious authorities would be malevolent enough to withhold information about eclipses and that the ordinary folk would be ignorant and passive enough to react to what was happening as something unexpected. Pretty much suggests that Gibson had a racist and condescending view of their civilization. Your not getting that point casts a sorry light on your comment.
- 4:21 PM, October 14, 2013


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Fever Falls to Revolution 40-37
The Tri-Cities Fever fell to the Texas Revolution 40-37 Friday night to fall to 1-2 on the new IFL season. Below is the game recap courtesy of the Fever:
Fever falls at Texas
ALLEN, Texas -- The Tri-Cities Fever could not shake a slow start and had its second-half rally fall short in a 40-37 loss to the Texas Revolution on Friday night at the Allen Events Center.
The Fever (1-2) will get a chance to even the score with the Revolution (1-2) next Friday night at the Toyota Center. Kickoff for the rematch is 7:05 p.m.
The Tri-Cities Fever, after a dismal offensive first half that resulted in just one point, scored 37 second-half points, but it wasn't enough. A couple of late onside kicks went awry and Texas held on for its first victory of the season.
Steven Whitehead led the second-half comeback with three touchdowns, two receiving and one rushing. Ed Berry and George Bell also caught second-half touchdown passes.
The Fever, which fell to 0-2 on the road, could never get going offensively in the first half. On six offensive possessions, Tri-Cities turned the ball over on downs twice, fumbled twice, threw one interception, and missed a field goal.
Tri-Cities had just two first downs in the first half.
The Fever offense got going in the second half, but again it was slowed by turnovers. Tri-Cities turned the ball over five times in the game. One of those came in the red zone late in the third quarter with the Fever trailing by just nine points.
The Fever led the game 1-0 when it was assessed a rouge on the opening kickoff. Texas scored the next 17 points and would not trail again.
Kasey Peters had an off-night, completing 19 of 41 passes for 172 yards and four touchdowns. He also threw three interceptions.
Whitehead caught a team-high seven passes for 75 yards and two scores.
Dennis Rogan had a big night returning kicks putting the Fever in good field position all night long. He had six returns for 122 yards, nearly breaking two of them for touchdowns.


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On Jan. 9, detectives with the Wilson County Sheriff's Office received information that a Mt. Juliet woman was trying to hire a hitman to kill her ex-husband.
Upon opening the investigation into the information detectives found the female to be Bryam Megan Ewers, 42, of Mt. Juliet.
Detectives arranged so that Ewers could contact an undercover officer who would pose as the hitman. After contact was made by Ewers a meeting was set up on Monday, Jan. 14 to arrange the hit. An undercover officer met with Ewers in a Lebanon parking lot; the meeting was recorded and during the conversation the female agreed to payment of $5,000 to have her ex-husband killed. Ewers also supplied photos of her ex-husband and his residence to aid in carrying out the hit.
After the conversation, detectives arrested Ewers and she was transported to the Wilson County Jail and charged with Solicitation to Commit First Degree Murder, bond was set at $1,000,000.
After Ewers' arrest a search warrant was issued for her residence at 1621 West Wilson Blvd., Mt. Juliet, where additional evidence was found, including a large amount of cash as well as computer equipment.
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Skip to comments.American Idol 2013--Live Thread
Posted on 01/16/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by silent_jonny
Grrrreat info,Jonny! Hope you guys back east are having fun. Will watch the show and come do the janitorial work after your party! I've missed all of you.
And I loved the Voice this season and thought you all would too. Anyone else watch it? Adam and Blake are so much fun!
I hope the Dawg is still a judge.
"Affirmative Ashton"—I wish she had stayed on the show just so we could keep using that name :)
"He ... He tries really hard."
It's good to be back!
It's good to be back!
Tag line change
Hi all. :)
Oh no, Randy (Jackson was in Journey) is the bad cop!
Yes, and instead of "you sound like two cats being thrown from a tall building," it's "You're bad!"
Did you know that Randy sold 100 million records as a producer and artist?
So they tell the contestants " wow, you are great! Go sing it that way for the judges"? That's kinda sad.
You guys are killing me! LOL
The only porn star I know that sings.
WOAH, 36 minutes in, we get the cancer story....I had 32 minutes.....What do I win???????????? ;-)
A matching amputation? An afternoon of chemo?
What a visual! :)
Mariah calls herself black but one grandparent was black, one was Latino, two were white.
Jonny!!!! It's SO nice to see you again!
I hate to say it, but AI is one of my guilty pleasures and I've followed every Silent Jonny AI thread since the beginning.
And I loved the Voice this season and thought you all would too. Anyone else watch it? Adam and Blake are so much fun!
Really liked it this year. The judges have to select real talent as they are the coaches and the show is also about them winning.
Also less drama, and bad performers. The people they allow into the contest can sing .
Enjoyed the final 3 greatly. Each had their own style , and to me any of them would beat many of the past Idol winners.
Blake and Adam are the heart of the show. C Lo should join Nicki in wardrobe selection. Christina is ok, and certainly better than J Lo as a judge.
Good to see you on the thread.
Well I have to say I was actually OK with the new panel. Nikki actually sounded knowledgable about the craft at times, and was fairly well spoken and very courteous to the contestants.
Kieth Urban was good, but quite reserved, and at times Mariah looked like she was bored with everything.
I did ickup a little on what is probably fueling a lot of the 'conflict' between Mariah and Nikki — basically Jealousy. The vast majority of the contestants fawned over Mariah, and you could see Nikki visible bristle every time a contestant went "OMG I can't believe I am in the same room with Mariah Carey"
LOL, and the girl said she's 28 now. Bet that made Carey feel awesome.
Yes, the talent is so much better on average than idol. And the judges are funny and adorable. Blake, this country boy who loves his drink, and Adam so cute it must be illegal ("and a nice Jewish boy! Except for the tattoos" lol). Christina bugged me but I will really miss ceeLo. I think he felt he wasn't verbally quick and clever enough. Those guys are quite smart and verbal. Next year it's Usher and another long haired blonde chick but without the giant "puppies fighting under not much of a blanket" which I was very sick of.
I think Jonny should do a Voice thread. But there is less to snark about. Is just a pleasure to watch!
Next year its Usher and another long haired blonde chick but without the giant puppies fighting under not much of a blanket which I was very sick of.
I think Jonny should do a Voice thread. But there is less to snark about. Is just a pleasure to watch!
Excellent description of Christina....... Looks like Mariah will challenge her for winner of that contest... LOL
Would be great if Jonny would do that, but I think that didn't make it the last time you asked.....
Enjoy the thread , and the Snarkfest.....
That picture of the high heeled Turban wearer still has me laughing.....
Great contribution to the thread
I HATE double posts
I HATE double posts
"I have a wonderful doctor, Dr. Schwartz. He told me I had six months to live. I told him I couldn't pay his bill, so he gave me an extra six months."
Off topic, but I read a story recently about the current season of the Bachelor. One of the ladies is a partial amputee...at birth, they had to amputate her left arm just above the elbow. She's very attractive, accomplished. I'm wondering why she doesn't have a prosthetic device. They are remarkable. Same thing for the girl surfer who had her arm bitten off by a shark. She's made a remarkable comeback. Is there a certain community of those who have lost limbs who don't want artificial ones?
My wife and I never make it past the blind auditions.
I watched the first season, Loved the auditions but hated it after that. Second season watched just the auditions and last season didn't watch at all.
Some folks...particularly those born without limbs, or who lost them at a very young age, tend to adapt to not having that limb, and generally function better without a prosthetic in some cases! Others just find the prosthetic too cumbersome, or too difficult to get used to, or are simply content with what they have (or don't have)..
In that same vein............I vividly recall, early in my career, when I delivered babies for a living.......a babe was born without fingers on his left hand.......I was sad and yes, tearful....the pediatrician was fantastic...he gave me a hug and said..."that lad will be fine...he does not know he is supposed to have fingers on that hand"
The child will adapt, in other words :-)
FR's pages aren't loading completely. This should make for an interesting night :-|
Can only see the first 13 posts, then the page just stops.
I can see 18 posts now. That's progress, I guess lol
Let's just get it ut there....FR sucks lately!
At best, we can try to adapet and overcome........I mean...look at us...we are here because we love each other and a good ole Snark fest :-) SO we put up with a crappy site...despite the beg a thons!
I can see your ping, but not your post :)
Same thing. I can see posts 251 to 270, then nothing.
Can you try to go to "Account" at the top of the page...than "preferences" for the thread and increase the number?
hell, I dont know...Im just thinking it is worth a shot...because it seems (at least for thge past many months) that even the owners do not have a freakin clue about what is going on with this site, or how to fix it, despite the "beg a thon" cash flow!
I mean...look at us...we are here because we love each other and a good ole Snark fest :-)
Agree. Those are the only reasons I'm here, lol
Hi, Yaelle! I missed you too :)
Hi, Skateman!
I thought that the first season. I was only interesting for those blind auditions. But starting in the second season and even better in the third were the actual contests. This time there were even steals when someone was sent home. The head to head contests were intense and so many were top notch talents. Wow. I actually enjoyed a lot of the singing. And best is the interaction between Adam and Blake. Their humor is pretty real and funny.
This idol thread crowd would have loved that gap toothed mini cruella baby doll girl!
Hello, friend! :)
*shaking head*
I loaded ok for me right now but you know what I hate on threads like this? A long time ago, when you wrote a post, "replying" to the post you last read, after you finished sending your reply, FR brought you back to that last post you read. Now it sends you to the top of that page. Bleah.
Also, I would think it would be the easiest thing in the world to prevent dual posts, like most message boards have. If a post is identical to one posted, it doesn't post. Duh! With all the $ we spend here, why can't we get formats equal to other sites?
Hi, Sir!
Oh, I see what you mean. Now it's not loading the whole page for me either.
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By Michaela Gibson Morris/NEMS Daily Journal
The Tupelo City Council voted Tuesday to use nearly $1 million in reserve funds to expand its annual street paving program.
Mayor Jack Reed had suggested the council consider expanding the milling and overlay program using unrestricted reserve funds to supplement the annual $800,000 budget.
Annually, the public works department identifies which streets are most in need of repaving. For 2013, the public works department recommended 22 streets and has completed the engineering work required for the projects. The $800,000 regular budget would have only stretched to cover the first six streets on the list.
The expanded street program had wide support among the council members.
"It improves the looks and safety," said Ward 7 Councilman Willie Jennings. "Everyone benefits."
Based on a suggestion from Ward 1 Councilman Markel Whittington, Public Works identified two streets – Frog Meadow and Prairie View in the newly annexed areas of the city that needed immediate attention.
Frog Meadow has extensive problems with potholes. A portion of Prarie View is a gravel road, and paving it will bring it up to city codes.
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Will byakuya and rukia join up with Ichigo and Renji after they recover? It'd be a nice way to strenghten their bond, by letting them visit the soul king realm together.
ALso I wonder if the Zanpakuto creator could come up with a way so that Rukia can achieve a bankai in a very short time?


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By PATSY STODDARDEditor
Castle Dale City council met in their first meeting of the new year. The newly re-elected members of the council were sworn into office to begin four year terms. Kollette Cologie, Brad Giles and Joel Dorsch will serve Castle Dale as council members. Giles conducted the meeting in the absence of Mayor Neal Peacock.
Kerry Lake gave the planning and zoning report from a recent public hearing held by Castle Dale City. The hearing was on the Children's Justice Center that has been requested to be built in Castle Dale. The center is in a residential area and will be permitted conditional use. Lake has been working on the wording for the permit. The city only wishes to allow one such facility in the city and specify the facility will be under the direction of the state attorney general's office, Utah State Childrens Justice Center program. This will require a public hearing which will be at the next city council meeting on Feb. 14.
The planning and zoning had a public hearing and some valid concerns were addressed. Parking was one issue discussed. It was stated the center will have a double driveway and parking will be off the street. There will also be a fence around three sides of the property.
The property the Children's Justice Center will be placed upon is being donated by the Emery County School District and the Emery High construction class will build the center free of charge. The Children's Justice Center will pay for all building materials and costs.
Dorsch said bathrooms will be constructed at Cheddar Field. They hope to have them done in time for baseball season. The stalls at the Blue Sage Arena have been installed and all 30 of them are rented. The fertilizer from these rented stalls will be hauled to the cemetery to be used on lawn there in the spring.
Gaylee Jeffs reported the Castle Dale youth city council went door to door and delivered the Castle Dale City calendars to residents. There will be an appreciation dinner scheduled.
Jack Rogers reported the water totals were at 118 percent of normal so far this winter. He said the fire department is in need of volunteers and needs dedicated members to be trained.
Giles spoke about the uniform building code section R405. This code says the exterior of a foundation must have a drain. These drains cannot be drained into the sewer or drainage systems. Castle Dale usually doesn't have these types of drainage problems, but would like to look at a way to remedy the situation.
Castle Dale would like to have a public hearing to consider an ammendment to that code. This code is only for those houses that are deemed possibly at risk due to ground water seepage into basements. The ammendment to this code will be addressed at a public hearing on Feb. 14 at the next Castle Dale City meeting.
Work is also being done on figuring out how to get power to the new pump station at the cemetery and to the new bathrooms at Cheddar Field.
The next Castle Dale City Council Meeting will be on Feb. 14 at 7 p.m.


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Elder Andrew Oyler has been called to serve in the Dominican Republic Santiago Mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Elder Oyler is the son of Terry and Kris Bulkley of Price and Bart and Claudette Oyler of Tremonton. He will be entering the MTC in Provo on March 26. After three weeks in Provo, he will enter the MTC in the Domincan Republic for an additional six weeks.


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