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Skip to comments.For some stranded U.S. adventurers, rescues come at a cost
Posted on 02/18/2013 9:31:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
(Reuters) - After an all-terrain vehicle accident in the Utah desert last spring, 53-year-old Mikki Babineau expected a long recuperation for collapsed lungs and 18 broken ribs.
What the Idaho woman didn't expect was a $750 bill from the local Utah sheriff's office for sending a volunteer search and rescue unit to her aid, a service for which the sheriff in that county regularly charges fees.
Just a handful of states, including Oregon, Maine and Babineau's home state of Idaho, have laws authorizing local agencies to bill for rescues when factors such as recklessness, illegal activity or false information led to the predicament.
Lawmakers from the Rockies to the Appalachians periodically question why adventurers who incur costs should not have to pay the price - literally.
That debate has heated up this year as legislators in at least two states have sought, so far unsuccessfully, to enact laws to allow fees for rescues.
"In the rare case where a person took unnecessary risks, that person should be sent a bill," said Wyoming Republican Representative Keith Gingery, who tried but failed to pass such a law in his state.
That few states currently allow such billing is chiefly due to objections by national search and rescue groups, who say the prospect of payment could prompt people to delay seeking needed aid, possibly making a dangerous situation worse.
But that has not stopped lawmakers from considering such laws. Legislators in New Hampshire, for example, are seeking to shore up search and rescue funds by establishing fees ranging from $350 to $1,000.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
$750 isn't much if your life depends on it. People take more risks because they know there's a safety net.
"the prospect of payment could prompt people to delay seeking needed aid, possibly making a dangerous situation worse."
It also prompts people to delay seeking UNneeded aid, preventing putting rescuers in danger. Sending a team at high speed into rank wilderness is dangerous.
Most of these remote areas have a very limited population and an even more limited tax base to do these things gratis. If you are going to do these high adventure activities in remote areas, buy some damn supplemental insurance or have your own rescue team standing by.
defining "recklessness". that's the crux of the issue.
walking in the gubmint's pristine nature reserve and breaking your ankle?
or playing X Games participant in your trick-out Jeep?
Perhaps if people are aware that it will cost them money to be rescued from the error of their ways they will take prudent and reasonable steps to protect themselves from becoming a victim. Duh!!!
Now, hold muh beer and watch this...
$750 PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN COVER THE FUEL COSTS! She should pay it and be thanking God she's still alive to do so! The taxpayers should not have to foot the bill for her stupidity and reckless behavior.....
Generally people fund rescue services through taxes. By charging fees the services are really raising taxes. In California if a Fire Department ambulance shows up a fire truck and rescue vehicle appears. The poor soul unfortunate to get such "service' foots the bill for the additional vehicles and personel. The cover story is they do not know whether or not the fire truck and emergency vehicle may not be needed. Such "reasoning" does not cover my elderly neighbor who has every emergency vehicle appear at his house while his son holds the door open.
If you plan to go into the mountains or back country in Colorado, SERIOUSLY consider the CORSAR card. It is only $3 for one year and covers any search and rescue costs. If you have a current hunting or fishing license, you are covered as well.
You put your and other people lives in danger you should pay! I believe that if you go into the wilderness then you should have to put up a bond to cover you in case they have to rescue you!
Generally people fund rescue services through taxes. By charging fees the services are really raising taxes. In California if a Fire Department ambulance shows up a fire truck and rescue vehicle appears. The poor soul unfortunate to get such "service' foots the bill for the additional vehicles and personel. The cover story is they do not know whether or not the fire truck and emergency vehicle may not be needed. Such "reasoning" does not cover my elderly neighbor who has every emergency vehicle appear at his house while his son holds the door open. He is simply an elderly diabetic having blood sugar problems of unknown origin.
yeah... here in my neck of michigan, we get, every year, the dumbass ice fishermen who think that the ice is thick enough despite warnings, and end up cast adrift in the middle of lake st clair... helicopters and coast guard pickin' their stupid ignorant butts off a damn icefloe...
bill 'em..
I struggle with whether these fees are appropriate. If there is money in the state or county budget for rescue that is paid for by all taxpayers, then why are these fees being assessed? There is a danger that this is yet another way to feed money to the government. And it makes people wary of calling the police or emergency response for help, especially if they have no idea what the bill is going to be. If the response team has an efficient budget and is not loading outrageous salary, overtime or other costs onto the person being rescued, and if part of the cost is being paid by the taxpayer so the person being rescued isn't paying the full burden, I could go along with this. But my suspicion is that this is just another way to feed more money to the government for wasteful spending on other things.
Bout time...As an X CG Sar person I can relate.
people that do stupid hi risk thrill stuff and fail should defiantly be billed for xtreem amounts because the rescuers risk there lives and some time die doing it.
The thrill seeker in the later scenario should be charged in some way with the death.....
It might also discourage people from engaging in risky behavior.
Considering the liberals are trying to create vast tracts of wilderness without humans I'm sure they'd support your idea.
Never mind that we all pay taxes which in turn pays for the emergency responders.
We also pay for permits to access the wilderness areas on federal and state lands.
I can see a reasonable fee but anything which can be used as a barrier to accessing remote areas isn't a good idea.
Alaskans live far from medical care, boaters go to sea in dangerous conditions, and people on their death bed take cruises - - - and then they call the Coast Guard when things go south. Rescuers put their lives on the line and boatloads of tax payer dollars fuel up and maintain the helos - and the Coast Guard only charges if illegal activities were involved.
Maybe, if people had to pay to be rescued, they would think twice before living remotely or stupidly.
$750...she got off cheap.
So we should all be contained to major population centers?
She got off cheap. Dying alone under an atv would have been free.
This is very true.
My daughter passed out and quit breathing.
I called for an ambulance and 3 vehicles showed up.
It cost her $1500. Bucks because they billed her twice and she had lost the receipt from the first billing
No kidding. I paid $750 for literally a 2 mile ride several years ago.
I don't think I am stupid for going into the wilderness. My wife and friends think I am because I always go alone.
Everytime I strap myself to a bicycle and head off into the unknown I am prepared if I don't/can't return. I'm pretty sure I'd have no problem paying any price for rescue. I would obviously not want to find myself in a situation where a rescue team was required, I think it far more likely they'll find my bones. But I try to take the proper preparations and manage the risks as well as possible. Up to and including carrying a satellite rescue beacon.
I just love the adventure and surviving it. So, don't call me stupid, call me LOCO!
Could you try that link again? I'm getting 404.
The problem, of course, is that the yuppies, and other urban folks, don't pay the taxes which support the emergency services they consume and they don't bear the cost, both economic and social, of injury or death to the rescuers.
Perhaps but the premise most here seem to be taking is that the government gets to decide who can access the more remote parts of America.
Yup — they send you bills for that EMT ride to the hospital now — about $500 just about anywhere in the country.
$750 for that ride in a wilderness area is cheap.
Right on. If I were to be rescued from some predicament, I would offer money to those who helped me. Even the Titanic survivors put money in a kitty for the crew of the Carpathia.
Here, a "rescue" from the parking lot of the hospital's ER costs just the same as one from 10 miles away, but still within the city.
To you just riding an ATV constitutes a "stupid game"?
Do you spend your time playing horseshoes or lawn bowling or something? Get out more.
So, in your wisdom it's a good thing to pay by way of taxes a comfortable wage, health, and retirement package to first responders along with investing in their equipment. Then, when they get called to get off their asses, you get fined? I'll take one or the other, but both is too Obama like.
I've lived and worked in 5 national parks.
When people have injured themselves I have provided aid, carried supplies for other first responders, hauled packs, gear and even children out of the grand canyon,bryce and death valley. I've done search and rescue in the maze of Utah and pulled injured and dead vacationers out of Lake Powell. I never asked for a dime or a thank you.
After the fact, if it was deemed by the higher-ups that it was carelessness that created the incident, these people got a partial bill.
As for getting out more;
I've got more than 2 hundred miles BELOW the rim of the Grand Canyon.
I've hiked from Joshua tree through to the Scotty's Castle.
And I was in yellowstone for the '88.
A $5.00 fee will not cover a $500,000 rescue!!!!
Last year while trail riding in Oregon I came upon a motorcycle accident (true unforeseeable accident; not related to negligence or improper use of the vehicle). Although 35 miles from civilization, five different agencies showed up to rescue the guy. Very professional and very impressive. In cases where the operator is found to have acted carelessly I hope the agencies do act to recovery partial costs.
If you go in the wilderness and you get lost, the taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill for it.
Unless there was like an unforeseen change in the weather or some mitigating circumstance that kept you from making it home.
This comes with the territory. When you leave civilization behind, you're responsible for your own well-being and knowing what the laws are. Particularly when you may be in need of rescue.
well gee, imagine that. but if you get a lot of people in there paying fees it would cover it.
but tell me, where is the cut off that you propose? If someone does something stupid and they live 10 miles away from a hospital should they pay more? Or maybe its 15 miles.
if you start allowing them to force the fees on people who have accidents then you are allowing them to control whether anyone goes there.
I have insurance I pay property taxes which covers the fire department ambulance!! I still have to pay extra for a ride to the hospital!!
Back in early 90's Sieera Club offered inexpensive insurance for people using National Parks/desert areas.
If i remember correctly cost was 65.00 for length of trip, covered medical extraction search and rescue.
Even back then people did not take insurance to cover their possible expenses.
as an aside- I had this information from a friend involved with sierra club.
He ussually took vacations in out of the way places out west. He always carried the insurance
MedEvacs are not a mission of the Coast Guard - but in Alaska (and other coastal areas) it is an expectation. Mission creep. Dangerous mission creep.
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Rene Bourque - anatomy of a lost year
Robert Cleave
July 21 2011 08:14PM
Of all the skaters that laced them up for the Flames this past season, no player seemed to promise more while delivering less than Rene Bourque. After two excellent years following his acquisition from the Blackhawks, Bourque struggled virtually all season, finishing -17 and appearing to be full value for that number.
When I went looking for specific on-ice circumstances that had changed for the Lac la Biche native, I wasn't struck by any one thing in particular. Bourque had faced top-line comp for the third year running, had ZoneStart numbers that didn't appear to be much different from 09/10, and shot about the same percentage on a personal level.
The chance totals compiled by Kent, however, showed a player that was bad news all around. Bourque finished the year at ES with 262 chances for, 300 against, for a percentage of 46.6. That's right in line with his Fenwick (shots and misses) percentage of 48.1, and way off his performance of the last two seasons. We don't have chances for both years, but Fenwick shows a pretty reasonable correlation to scoring chances as a rule, and Bourque posted a 52.2 Fenwick % in 08/09 and 51.2% in 09/10 facing somewhat tougher Zone Starts. Entering last year, Bourque was being counted on to manage hard minutes for a team dearly in need of such a player.
What ensued in 10/11 was a significant disappointment. Rene Bourque, rather than being the hard-minutes producer we'd gotten used to watching, was now a sinkhole from which other players couldn't escape. The chart that follows shows the EV chance totals for the other primary forwards on the Flames, then the totals with and without Bourque. Read 'em and weep:
|Player #
|Total F
|Total A
(Special thanks to Oilogisphere regular Quain for the spreadsheet formula that produced the WOWY numbers)
July 21 2011, 08:21PM
You'd think the chance numbers would be better with at least one guy as a matter of chance alone. Yeesh.
Rene Bourque was likely, relative to what was expected and required of him, the worst of all the significant Flames skaters, and second worst wasn't even within hailing distance.
I noticed you used the term "skaters" here. Wisely I might add.
July 21 2011, 08:40PM
Superb writing Bob. Ask your new boss for a raise. Congrats Kent.
July 21 2011, 08:44PM
Was a WOWY done for Bourque and Langks the two prior seasons? I can't recall. I seriously just can't believe that he's THAT bad; the fact that he seemed to play significantly worse following his concussion is something I can't discount.
I'd also like to note that whenever I see "WOWY", the U2 song goes through my head.
July 21 2011, 09:11PM
That's what I was hoping for/expecting: not as good without Langkow, but still what I'd call a heavy lifter.
July 21 2011, 09:29PM
@Robert Cleave
Score tied corsi for Langkow was .559 in 09/10!! The only guys better were Moss, Gio and Dawes (what a waste his buy-out remains).
Bourque was at .530.
July 21 2011, 09:35PM
Was a WOWY done for Bourque and Langks the two prior seasons? I can't recall. I seriously just can't believe that he's THAT bad; the fact that he seemed to play significantly worse following his concussion is something I can't discount.
I'd also like to note that whenever I see "WOWY", the U2 song goes through my head.
On this note, I have to say Bourque didn't look the same by eye even absent Langkow this year. I mean, it helps to play as good as Lanks is at ES, but Bourque's apparent strengths seemed to go down the tubes this year: he was slower, softer on the puck and less apt at winning puck battles.
Maybe this is all perception and he'll be good as gold beside 22 again. But it was really hard to get away from the fact he looked like a worse all around hockey player.
July 21 2011, 09:56PM
It's about time someone looked closely at Bourque's '10/11 season. He seems to have been given a pass from sports writers and fans alike. He may have been given a lot of tough minutes last year, but did he have to dog it back to the bench for every line change? He cost the team in a number of bad line changes, which resulted odd man rushes against. He didn't seem to have any push in his game last season, with the except for a couple weeks where everything he touched turned to gold. I don't expect player of the week performances on a regular basis from anyone on the team, but players need to work on every shift - even if the shifts are harder minutes than his team mates.
I recall a lot of talk earlier about bourque starting the season strong and then disappearing after a big hit in game 17/18. Is there a way to break those numbers down to see if that's true? If it is, then it's possible he was playing hurt most of the season and we could expect a big bounce back after (another) long off season.
Why the hell did Sutts buy out Dawes anyway!? Was he that bad?
July 21 2011, 11:19PM
Dawes reminds me of Zherdev in the sense that he seemed to perform admirably on the ice for the most part, and was just crapped on by all the teams in the NHL, leaving one to wonder if there is something less tangible that's wrong with him.
Hopefully he will rebound this season, even though he scored 27 goals he was played very inconsistent and lazy at times.
I think Langkow will be able to elevate him again, hope Rene can start doing it on his own.
July 21 2011, 11:27PM
If Dawes were 6', 200 pounds he'd be in the NHL. I think it's as simple as that. Small guys are succeeding a bit more in the post-lock-out league, but if you're not a clear-cut, top-six option, you'll still get passed over for a guy with size.
Why did the guy, in 3-years, burn through 5 teams, clear waivers 3-times, and be bought out once before ultimately signing with the KHL?
He just isn't that good.
Why did the guy, in 3-years, burn through 5 teams, clear waivers 3-times, and be bought out once before ultimately signing with the KHL?
He just isn't that good.
Forgive me, but how many goals did he score in 09-10? And what kind of competition was he facing?
The answers are 14 and tougher then Bouwmeester, Glencross and Giordano.
He was 8th out of 22 in P/60 at 1.59, had an even PDO of 1000 (so he wasn't getting lucky), 3rd/22 in CorsiRel, 3rd/22 in CorsiRelQCOMP and 7/22 in CorsiRelQTEAM. He's a quality player, labeled as too small to survive. His contract was amazing, relative to what he brought to the team.
If you still doubt his skills, may I direct you to tapes of the Calder Cup playoffs and the goal scoring leaders.
the lac la biche product rainy boork was invisible for large stretches each of the last 2 seasons as i noted here back in febuary. seems he scores in clusters against the weaker sisters.
How many times have we seen a guy struggle after signing a big contract?
July 22 2011, 09:42AM
I think it's somewhere in between being great as his numbers with the Flames suggest and being terrible as his battered suitcase suggests. Dawes played with Langkow in CGY and managed a career high SH% that year which probably exaggerated his abilities.
On the other hand, there's no question in my mind he's better than some of the guys who will draw paychecks in the league this season. Hell, I'd take him over Todd Bertuzzi right now. Sparkle Pants remains in the league because he's big and because of the lingering memory of what he was some 8 years ago.
He played with Bourque and Langkow. And there is no doubting he can play with the kids. So can a lot of guys that don't play in the NHL.
He isn't horrible. In fact he has a fair bit of skill. But he is a top 6 or bust player and there are usually better options at top 6.
How many times have we seen a guy struggle after signing a big contract?
Agree that the contract made him lazy if that's what you're implying.
Not sure if the numbers support it but he seemed a very different player after his concussion. Didn't seem to have the jump or the fire. Maybe he rushed back in and wasn't over it? That and getting a fat contract are hard things to fight. Maybe this year he shakes those 2 factors.
July 22 2011, 02:00PM
Worth considering. What was the date of his concussion again? I can be convinced to look into it in detail.
July 22 2011, 02:18PM
I certainly hope that Bork shakes whatever issue it is he has. I like him as a Flame but, especially after reading Bob's article, I'm really disappointed with his play.
Granted my opinion doesn't count for much, and I'm sure Rene doesn't give a rat's ass what I think, but for the money the Flames pay him, he simply has to produce.
He plays a good game with Langks, no question Daymond does that for him. However, Bourque has to accept the fact that as a premier paid player, he must be a premier producer.. with or without Langkow. We've seen flashes of it on occasion, but far too often we also saw him sink into complacency. I don't think it has anything to do with his contract... or at least I would like to not think so. But this guy has to take a serious look at himself in the mirror and decide what kind of player he wants to be.
This is going to be a crucial year for Bourque and I think if he doesn't step up, when the team is REALLY going to need him, then the Flames need to look elsewhere and part ways.
It might just be an easy decision for them as well. With all the contracts we are going to see leave the club after this year, it won't be hard to ship out Bourque at the trade deadline and get a jump on draft strategy for 2012. I hope he proves me and other critics wrong, but I'm fully prepared to see him go as well.
The only consistent thing about Bourque is his list of injuries. Since 2004 he has had the following injuries: hip flexor, deep neck laceration, ankle, lower body, groin, broken thumb, ankle (again), shoulder, head.
Bourque has never played a full season either. His most GP in a season was 80 in 2010-2011.
As someone mentioned, we have certainly seen flashes of what Bourque could be, but it seems more often than not he is just coasting. It is frustrating to watch him lazily skate around on a play, then lazily skate off the ice looking completely indifferent to what is going on around him. Iginla or somebody needs to slap him upside the head and tell him to get his affairs in order.
July 22 2011, 04:44PM
So... based on this analysis... and the fact Bourque may be "damaged goods"... Do you move him? Package him with, say Stajan?? Hagman??? Bouwmeester in a "blockbuster" to a team needing to rise from the cap floor???
July 22 2011, 04:46PM
@everton fc
The Flames should certainly consider moving Bourque, although part of me wants to see if he can regain his form next season. He's a very useful player when he's playing like he was during the first two seasons as a Flame.
As for packaging him with Hagman and such...I can't see Bourque having the clout to convince another GM accept a salary dump with him. And a Bourque/Bouwmeester deal would be too cap heavy to contemplate for anyone.
Bourque+Bouwmeester for Spezza+Karlsson from Ottawa and move BMo to the wing. Leaves us with Spezza/Backlund/Jokinen/Stajan down the middle, a bit of savings in cap space, and a centre/young d-man.
July 22 2011, 05:46PM
Bourque+Bouwmeester for Spezza+Karlsson from Ottawa and move BMo to the wing. Leaves us with Spezza/Backlund/Jokinen/Stajan down the middle, a bit of savings in cap space, and a centre/young d-man.
Ottawa is rebuilding, and as such there's no chance of that sort of trade occurring.
Regarding Bourque: He was concussed during the second game of the season, so we can't really do a split analysis of before/after.
Bourque+Bouwmeester for Spezza+Karlsson from Ottawa and move BMo to the wing. Leaves us with Spezza/Backlund/Jokinen/Stajan down the middle, a bit of savings in cap space, and a centre/young d-man.
Holy cow where do I sign!!! No way Ottawa would do that. We'd have to take salary(Kuba) with that one. JBO/ Backlund for Spezza & whatever would be a little closer.
That Ottawa trade would only happen if you could replace Bryan Murray with Mike Milbury (he LOVES trading Jason Spezza).
Shaune Vetter over at HB raised an idea, and I wanted to get sane Flames fans opinions on it: "looking for a centre for Iginla? Why not sign Alexei Yashin". I think he was serious, so I'm curious what FN readers would think of that.
My opinion is that if you signed Yashin and Zherdev you only be a Kovalev short of the most uninterested, underperforming, talent-laden line the league has ever seen.


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Sugar the pill
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Plastic is cheap, lightweight, flexible, ubiquitous and politically unsound—a synthetic material, derived from petroleum. Formed by industrial methods, with limited application to craft and handforming techniques, it is a perishable material best suited to mass production of cheap consumer goods. Plastic is a material of the kitsch object—a debaser of the ideals of high culture and high art.[1]
Christopher Langton uses plastics technology initially developed for the aeronautic industry.[2] The introduction of high-frequency PVC welding in the 1960s―allowing sheets to be joined with thin, air-tight seams—resulted in a huge increase in the number and types of inflatable items produced.[3] Claes Oldenburg, Jeff Koons, and especially Japanese and Korean artists subsequently employed pneumatics to a remarkable range of effects.[4] Looking at Langton's sculptures, however, it is mass-produced toys, blow-up pools, beach balls and jumping castles that come to mind. Kitsch, sugary and sometimes spooky, irresistibly consumerist and undeniably desirable―we can't help but want to join in the fun.
Langton's oversized toys and other objects are bright, overwhelming and often of frightening proportions. They loom over us, crowd into our space, ignoring the traditional distance between art and viewer. Sugar the pill was originally installed in the basement of a nineteenth-century apothecary's shop, arranged as if tumbling out of a dispensary. The architectural setting of Sugar the pill may thus be imagined as standing in for the body. The artist has remade components for the 2009 installation—a few repairs were necessary, and he also took advantage of more sophisticated techniques—and some pills are now more colourful, or composed of multiple capsules. From the classic 1960s 'mother's little helpers', to an age when a plethora of substances in capsule form is available to combat anything from weight-gain to depression, we sense that the element of fun masks darker meanings. A spoonful of sugar does indeed make the medicine go down.
Lucina Ward
International Painting and Sculpture
National Gallery of Australia, Canberra
[1] Christopher Langton, artist's statement in Rapport: eight artists from Singapore and Australia, Monash University Gallery, Monash University and the Asialink Centre, Melbourne, and Singapore Art Museum, 1996, p 24
[2] The development of pneumatic technology and inflatable design, from the first hot-air balloons in eighteenth-century France, to early twenty-first century applications, is explored by Sean Topham in Blowup: inflatable art, architecture and design, Prestel, Munich/Berlin/London/New York, 2002
[3] Inflatable structures increasingly had design applications in the 1960s and 1970s, with the Blow chair being one classic example; it was designed in 1967 by Gionatan de Pas, Donato D'Urbino, Paolo Lomazzi and Carla Scolari, and from 1968 manufactured by Zanotta s.p.a., Nova Milanese
[4] In Soft sculpture, for example, see Choi Jeong Hwa's giant clear lotus


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'Half the Battle' Gives Voice to Returning Vets
How does a soldier transition to civilian life? In "Half the Battle," a multimedia project conceived, reported and edited by American University journalism students, young veterans relate the challenges they've faced on that journey. The project was produced in collaboration with WAMU 88.5, the Washington, D.C., area's leading NPR member station.
This is the fourth time students in the Writing and Editing for Convergent Media class, taught by professor Amy Eisman have partnered with public communication professor Maria Ivancin to plan, organize, and execute a major journalism and public opinion project in partnership with a leading media organization. Past partners include Gannett Co., Inc. and The Washington Post.
The class unveiled the final product and website halfbattle2013.org at a presentation attended by representatives from WAMU, the AU Veterans Liaison Network, and SOC faculty and staff. Students detailed the work they'd done over the course of the semester, which included significant research, developing, conducting and analyzing surveys, multimedia reporting, designing graphics, and planning and executing a social media campaign.
A link to the project was posted on the WAMU homepage, wamu.org, the following week. Online managing editor Seth Liss explained, "We gave it good placement because the content is strong, relevant and interesting." He adds, "They took on a difficult topic. The project editors showed good leadership, and it was obvious that the class liked working together."
Video, audio and text stories tackled a variety of topics, from vets and video games to how local universities are scrambling to support student vets. Many stories and interviews were on intense topics including the tough job situation for vets, and the rough transition to the college classroom. There were some quick reads, too, such as the list of questions vets hate to be asked (No. 1: "Did you kill anyone?")
Rachel Rood, a graduate student, who served as the video editor, said "the main message the project wants to send is that what we think we know about veterans is not the entire truth, and [to get the truth] we should really just hear it from them." Half the Battle aims to give returning veterans a voice.
Valerie Verra, the veterans services administrator at American University, explained the impact of the project. "I truly feel that the vets have a greater voice now than they had before—this is a tremendous gift to them from all of you."
What makes the class so special is its ability to provide students with the independence and responsibility of taking on a real world project to gain first-hand experience. Zach Cohen, the assignment editor, says "a class like this is very valuable because it goes beyond the textbook and classroom and gives you direct hands-on experience to do real journalism."
After the presentation, Eisman told the class, "This is something to be proud of for the rest of your lives-- the ownership, intensity, and real-world nature of the project-- it's really special." Professor Ivancin praised the students as "the best class I have had the opportunity to be involved with—the level of passion, professionalism, and insight I saw in this group was incredible."


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The Bad Book Affair (Paperback)
Israel Armstrong the hapless duffle coat wearing, navel-gazing librarian who solves crimes and domestic problems whilst driving a mobile library around the north coast of Ireland finds himself on the brink of thirty. But any celebration, planned or otherwise, must be put on hold when a troubled teenager the daughter of a local politician mysteriously vanishes. Israel suspects the girl's disappearance has something to do with his lending her American Pastoral from the library's special "Unshelved" category. Now he has to find the lost teen before he's run out of town while he attempts to recover from his recent breakup with his girlfriend, Gloria, and tries to figure out where in Tumdrum a Jewish vegetarian might celebrate his thirtieth birthday.
Praise For…
"…the dialogue is certainly amusing. Readers who enjoy send-ups of crime novels, talk-radio hosts, city pomposities and rural eccentricities will queue up for the series…"
-Kirkus Reviews
"[THE BOOK STOPS HERE] succeeds as a light farce . . . The book's high point is the acerbic portrayal of the personalities making up the Mobile Library Steering Committee, but most every page will elicit a grin, if not a chuckle."
-Publishers Weekly
"[Sansom's] fish-out-of-water dilemmas and encounters with kooky locals will resonate with Alexander McCall Smith fans"
-Publishers Weekly
"[a] comic masterpiece"
-The Belfast Telegraph
"A work of tender and bonhomous refraction. ...Sansom is emphatically unpretentious in his portrayal of the ordinary lives of ordinary folk, and his gentle humor buoys their humdrum lives…pleasing, amusing and honest."
-New York Newsday
"A wonderfully comic novel...Ian Sansom has an acute sense of the absurd, and does not allow sympathetic intimacy to stand in the way of some wicked barbs."
-Daily Mail (London)
"A humane, big-hearted and sometimes devastatingly funny book."
-LA Weekly
"A clever, affectionate poke in the ribs…. Sansom...discovers an exceptionally lively world."
-Kirkus Reviews
"An endearing first novel...People cross paths, hook up, split up, say good-bye. Narrative unity derives less from the story than from the amiable persona of the narrator himself, in all his rambling, digressive warmth, and his mild insistence throughout
-Daily Telegraph (London)


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Delayed but worth the wait: our report from the CLOSED FW'12 preview/presentation! It was our very last event during NYFW, winding down the whirl-wind week in the dimly lit lounge of the Bowery Hotel. We sipped whiskey sours and saw the collection modeled one ensemble at a time (on models who mingled and posed in a space open to everyone/anyone to jump in for a quick portrait). We were ecstatic to see a saturated cerulean blue jeans in the men's collection, alongside an impeccably clean-cut denim workshirt, colored cords, and some two-toned knitwear that no man couldn't find a way to work into his look.
The women's collection was minimalist-preppy, with texture applied in maroon stripes and metallic embroidered polka-dot. We fawned over an elegant every-day layered one-piece tank top (uncomplicated despite its structure) and subtle tuxedo stripe chinos—a trend we were having a hard time loving until we saw the CLOSED adaptation. We posted about the full collection yesterday, so have a look if you missed it. Bottom line? This collection is clean, cool, and rich. Three things you can't do fall without.
See our snaps from the presentation below.
We were thrilled to run into Lisette from Denimology while we were there!
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Want some CLOSED right now? Shop their summer collection online and get a head start on your warm weather style.
Photos by Raffael Flores-Contreras and Michelle Christina Larsen.
—Michelle Christina Larsen
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A first-half try from Rodney Ah You handed Connacht an 11-9 RaboDirect PRO12 victory over Treviso at Stadio di Monigo on Saturday.
A first-half try from Rodney Ah You handed Connacht an 11-9 RaboDirect PRO12 victory over Treviso at Stadio di Monigo on Saturday.
Neither side was able to cross the whitewash during a tight opening period, although Willem De Waal edged the home side in front with a seventh minute penalty.
Matthew Jarvis levelled things up with the boot just before the half hour mark and it was Jarvis who was the architect behind the game's only try – powerful Kiwi Ah You crossing after the pacy Welshmen had laid the platform.
Jarvis failed with the conversion but the Irish side took their five-point lead with them into the break.
Mike McCarthy went close to extending the visitors' lead soon after the restart following an excellent break, before Jarvis added a second penalty to give Connacht an eight-point cushion.
The Welsh U20s international then saw another penalty attempt go wide before play was halted on sixty minutes to allow both sides a water break as the hot conditions began to take their toll.
Play resumed and it was the Italians who began to dominate proceedings. The Connacht defence held firm but they were penalised for not rolling away, presenting the opposition with a chance to reduce their visitors' lead. De Waal obliged with the boot to make it 6-11 heading into the final fifteen minutes.
A third De Waal penalty from over 40 metres out then took Treviso to within two points of their visitors and the Italians poured forward in search of a winning score. But time ran out and Connacht clung on for a hard-fought win.
The scorers:
For Treviso:
Pen: De Waal 3
For Connacht:
Try: Ah You
Pen: Jarvis 2
Treviso: 15 Ludovico Nitoglia, 14 Michele Sepe, 13 Kristopher Burton, 12 Andrea Pratichetti, 11 Brendan Williams, 10 Willem De Waal, 9 Alberto Chillon, 8 Manoa Vosawai, 7 Francesco Minto, 6 Marco Filippucci, 5 Valerio Bernabò, 4 Antonio Pavanello (capt), 3 Augusto Allori, 2 Franco Sbaraglini, 1 Michele Rizzo.
Replacements: 16 Diego Vidal, 17 Matteo Muccignat, 18 Pedro Di Santo, 19 Gonzalo Padrò, 20 Benjamin Vermaak, 21 Simon Picone, 22 Alberto Di Bernardo, 23 Benjamin De Jager.
Connacht 15 Gavin Duffy (capt), 14 Mark McCrea, 13 Eoin Griffin, 12 Henry Fa'afili, 11 Tiernan O'Halloran, 10 Matthew Jarvis, 9 Frank Murphy, 8 George Naoupu, 7 Ray Ofisa, 6 John Muldoon, 5 Mike McCarthy, 4 Michael Swift, 3 Rodney Ah You, 2 Adrian Flavin, 1 Ronan Loughney.
Replacements: 16 Ethienne Reynecke, 17 Denis Buckley, 18 Dylan Rogers, 19 TJ Anderson, 20 Johnny O'Connor, 21 Paul O'Donohoe, 22 Nial O'Connor, 23 Brian Tuohy.
Referee: Dudley Phillips
Assistant Referees: Stefano Marrama, Stefano Roscini


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New lines worked for some wingers Wednesday night, the P.K. Subban saga drags on and more.
IMMEDIATE DIVIDENDSAfter contributing little in Toronto's first two games, LW James van Riemsdyk was moved onto a line with Mikhail Grabovski and Nikolai Kulemin for Wednesday night's game at Pittsburgh and the move paid off almost instantly as van Riemsdyk tallied a pair of goals and an assist, Kulemin added three assists and Grabovski who, like van Riemsdyk, was called out by head coach Randy Carlyle, had a goal and an assist.
With Joffrey Lupul suffering a broken forearm, and likely out of the lineup for an extended period as a result, van Riemsdyk and Clarke MacArthur become increasingly important offensive contributors on left wing for Toronto.
SPEED RACERvan Riemsdyk wasn't the only one to benefit from a new line Wednesday, as the Rangers loaded up their top line, adding RW Marian Gaborik to C Brad Richards and LW Rick Nash to form a potent trio.
Nash was physically dominant all night against Boston, but Gaborik was the finisher (3 G, 6 SOG, 21:05 TOI vs. BOS), scoring the winner in overtime. Expectations should be high for Gaborik already, but if he's going to stay with Richards and Nash, the potential production for all three goes up.
HOWLING FOR YOUEven though he played a modest 13:57 against Columbus, Coyotes LW Steve Sullivan scored his first hat trick since December 14, 2009 (also against Columbus) when he played for Nashville. Sullivan, who played mostly with Martin Hanzal and Radim Vrbata in the first two games, enjoyed more success with Antoine Vermette and Shane Doan Wednesday.
Sullivan wasn't the only Coyote to show well against the Blue Jackets. D Oliver Ekman-Larsson (2 G, 1 A, +3, 6 SOG, game-high 25:20) is a candidate for a breakout season in his third NHL campaign, while LW Mikkel Boedker (2 A vs. CBJ) is getting ample opportunity to break through this season too. In the early going, Boedker leads all Coyotes forwards with 18:21 of ice time per game.
ZACK ATTACKCanucks RW Zack Kassian was moved onto a line with the Sedin Twins and, not surprisingly, he responded well, scoring a goal and adding the shootout winner, while playing a career-high 19:14, in a victory over Calgary. It goes without saying that anyone skating with the Sedins holds appeal, as the spot has worked for the likes of Alex Burrows, Taylor Pyatt, Anson Carter and Trent Klatt have had varying degrees of success in the past.
ON THE MARKWhile Montreal tries to get by without unsigned No. 1 defenceman P.K. Subban, veteran Andrei Markov has resumed a more significant role. In the 13 games he played last season,m Markov was limited to just 18 minutes per game and was a shell of his former self. Knee injuries have robbed him of some mobility, but the 34-year-old is healthy (as I write this), scored a pair of goals in Tuesday's win over Florida and has averaged 23:37 of ice time through the first two games. VETERAN SNIPERHe's 33-year-old and has been playing in the NHL since he was 18, so Patrick Marleau isn't the most exciting player, particularly for fantasy owners who want the shiniest new bauble, but let's not forget this. Even before scoring four goals in two games to start this season, Marleau ranked fourth in goals scored over the last four seasons with 149, behind only Steven Stamkos, Alex Ovechkin and Ilya Kovalchuk. STONE COLDTaking on a more substantial role on the Minnesota blueline, Wild D Clayton Stoner has played more than 23 minutes in each of the last two games. He also leads Wild defencemen with eight hits in three games (had 72 in 51 games last season), so there is some value for the 27-year-old, 6-foot-4 blueliner in deep leagues that count both hits and ice time. AS THE CROW FLIESBlackhawks G Corey Crawford suffered through a trying sophomore season last year, with his save percentage dropping from .917 as a rookie to .903 last year, but he's off to a good start behind a high-calibre Chicago team, stopping 51 of 55 shots through the first two games. FIRST GOALRed Wings RW Damien Brunner scored a highlight reel shootout goal against Columbus Monday, then followed up with his first NHL goal against Dallas Tuesday. While the Red Wings' early performances have been uneven, Brunner is asserting himself enough to believe that he's going to be a fixture in a scoring role going forward. The 26-year-old Swiss forward has played 18:51 per game (behind only linemates Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg) and leads Detroit with 15 shots on goal through the first three games. DOWN GOES DOWNIEAvalanche RW Steve Downie suffered a torn ACL against Los Angeles Tuesday and has had season-ending surgery. His absence will create an opportunity in Colorado's top nine. Cody McLeod and Mark Olver are the top candidates currently on the roster, but a prospect like Michael Sgarbossa could earn a shot soon, particularly if Colorado's stalemate with restricted free agent C Ryan O'Reilly continues. TIME TO SHINEOne beneficiary of O'Reilly's contract stalemate has been C Matt Duchene, who leads Avalanche forwards with 21:14 TOI per game, nearly five minutes per game more than last year's career-low 16:17 per game.
SUBBAN TRADE POSSIBILITIESTSN Insider Bob McKenzie says he could see the Montreal Canadiens-P.K. Subban contract impasse resulting in Subban eventually being traded, so I've browed around the league to try and find some teams that would both like a top pair defenceman and be willing to pay for him, both in contract terms and in assets to Montreal.
THESE ARE NOT RUMOURS! They are merely attempts to find rosters that could use Subban and offer some value to Montreal in return.
Some possibilities that might fit:Philadelphia: C Sean Couturier.Minnesota: D Mathew Dumba.Toronto: D Morgan Rielly.New Jersey: D Adam Larsson.Los Angeles: D Slava Voynov and RW Tyler Toffoli.Edmonton: Some combination of D Jeff Petry/LW Magnus Paajarvi and a first-round pick (rolling the dice on the Oilers staying in the lottery for another year).Detroit: Some F-D combination of C Gustav Nyquist/RW Tomas Tatar/C Riley Sheahan/D Brian Lashoff/D Jakub KindlDallas Stars: Might need more than Subban to get C Jamie Benn, but teams could swap their RFA headaches.
Of course, if it ultimately reaches that point, any team might be able to make a Subban acquisition fit, but these are a few spots worth exploring.
AND ANOTHER THING...C Anze Kopitar has returned to the Kings' lineup, back between familiar linemates Dustin Brown and Justin Williams...Flyers LW Scott Hartnell is out with a foot injury so it would appear that LW Brayden Schenn (after serving his one-game suspension) and RW Jakub Voracek would get turns alongside Claude Giroux...Coyotes G Mike Smith strained something in his lower body against Columbus Wednesday, opening the door for backup Jason LaBarbera to start while Smith recovers.


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By PATSY STODDARDEditor
The Utah Mine Safety Commission continues to take testimony to help them in their task of compiling a report for Gov. Jon Huntsman regarding the role of the state in mining.
Darwin Guymon gave a report to the commission at a recent meeting. He said he has had mine experience as a set-up boss, he has roof bolted, dusted, and been a construction boss, face boss, front line production foreman. He began working at the College of Eastern Utah in September of 1987 in the mining department where he trains mine rescue and fire fighters.
Guymon said in every vocation a language is developed. In mining, the top is the ceiling, the ribs are the walls and the bottom is the floor. Someone is needed that can understand the miners' language. Safety needs to be a way of life for miners.
Guymon said training should address today's trends and miners should be tested more rigorously and the test questions should be challenging but passable. Mine foremen need a lot of training in all areas, sometimes their job can be overwhelming. Those with a higher level of responsibility need a higher level of training.
Those dealing with mine gases should be highly trained.
Guymon said he could see the state getting more involved with the training and refresher courses for miners. One of the new laws for mine rescue teams states they need to be available within one hour of travel time to the mine site. When people are sent in they need to be trained to take care of whatever the situation is. Guymon has been a trainer for 20 years. Things need to be consistent from mine to mine. Like with the colors used for the return; red is the common color. This could be legislated to keep red for the return.
Guymon explained a little about mine air and its oxygen content. Coal absorbs oxygen and 19.5 percent oxygen is mandated. In emergency situations Guymon said men will react as they are trained, that is why it's important to keep the colors the same. He believes Utah could lead the way in implementing this.
When Guymon was a boss, health and safety were his main concerns. A safety culture needs to be developed. People running the equipment need to do so with safety in mind. People can't let their guard down.
Guymon believes the Mine Safety and Health Administration has a lot on their table and sometimes the little things get pushed aside. There needs to be adequate penalities for non-compliance. "We need to send people home in one piece," said Guymon.
He said these last years he has been involved in a good mining department. He thinks a centralized building to store mine rescue equipment could be helpful. He thinks those involved in the Western Energy Training Center are very capable people.
CEU used to have three degrees for engineering. Those in the engineering department should be put to use to help the need for engineers along.
Commission chairman Scott Matheson wondered how the process to merge CEU and the WETC is going. Guymon said the direction is good although there are somethings he doesn't approve of. He doesn't know why they are doing mining classes when he feels CEU is doing a good job. Guymon said with four instructors they have trained 2,000 students. Some of this training money comes from the state grants program. But, Guymon said the state grants monies are not enough. More money is needed for equipment. More money is needed to expand the training program. Currently new miners train 32 classroom hours and eight on site. This is minimal training and barely enough. "Funding is an issue," said Guymon.
Guymon would like to see more oral examinations to talk to the miners, to make sure they are understanding the material.
David Litvin, commission member wondered how a mining oversight officer for the state would work. Guymon viewed this person as a mediator and someone to get the facts, like in talking to miners who have concerns. This person would have to be someone who understands the language of coal mines. Communication would be the key with an oversight officer. This person would be someone the average miner could call or go to with concerns.
Guymon said what happened at Crandall Canyon was an exceptional thing. They were mining with an approved plan. It was an anomaly.
Guymon said the state person could work with bigger things, not the every day stuff.
Matheson wondered if there are positions in the mine that should have more certifications.
Guymon believes that is covered pretty well already.
The Utah Mine Safety Commission has released a list of topics that it will continue to research prior to producing a draft report that will make recommendations on what part the state should play in mine safety. Among the items under consideration are an expanded training program at the Western Energy Technology Center in Helper, appointment of a mine safety commissioner as a watchdog or ombudsman, improved communication with federal mine safety officials, tax incentives for operations to implement new technology and training, and require state certification and testing for new miners.
The commission would like to release interim recommendations prior to the start of the legislative session in mid-January and final recommendations after the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration issues its report on the Crandall Canyon mine disaster.
Governor Jon Huntsman created the commission to investigate the state's role in mine safety following the collapse of the mine on August 6 that trapped six miners. Three rescuers died in a cave-in 10 days later.
Commission Chairman Scott Matheson said the topics are intended as a guideline for further study and not everything on the list would make the final cut.


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Skip to comments.Secret anti-terror Bush memos made public by Obama
Posted on 03/02/2009 1:56:34 PM PST by SolidWood
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Sorry I type too fast.
it should read "the high level execs and govt people in Africa have all said that he is a Muslim."
I can't believe there isn't one statesman among the Democrats brave enough to speak out against the Marxist takeover of our country.
Yeah well isn't that just wishful thinking then? They obviously don't know about the training Obama got from Frank "the commie" Davis and the CPUSA with a hat tip to Moscow.
And they certainly don't know about his twenty years of marxist liberation theology training with "Rev." Wright.
I read that Benedict Arnold was the only general to defeat the British in any major battle. Is that right?
He and Ethan Allen led the brigade that captured Fort Ticonderoga on Lake Champlain. he also led battles in Quebec and Saratoga, but i question the veracity of the statement that he was the only general to win a battle in that war.
Go to http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/documents/olc-memos.htm, download the memos, and read them for yourself. What I've seen so far is summaries of deprecated legal theories that pertain to [exclusive] executive authority in the areas of detention, treatment of prisoners, surveillance, and similar subjects. President Bush's administration maintained that its efforts in ferreting out and dealing with those suspected of being or assisting terrorists, here and abroad, was completely immune from Congressional and Judicial oversight.
I think most Freepers realize that Obama is out to subjugate the US to the radical Muslims. What I don't understand is why he seems to oppose the President having the power to ignore the constitution in order to protect us. If he were a little smarter, he'd claim that it was not only necessary to ignore the First and Fourth Amendments, but the Second as well and begin collecting our guns.
And that's the point I've been waiting for someone to bring up. Not that I necessarily agree with your evaluation, but the disposition of major military assets is a key element of this distressing chess game we are in.
Thanks for the info. I'll have to do some more checking.
Ping me if you find anything interesting.
It's a great period of history to learn about.
(military apprehension without warrants)
a co-worker of mine said he had a dream of M1Abrams outside the Whitehouse. Maybe a General or two will man up. Doubtful.
when I was young from 17 to aound 20 years old , I had recurring and very realistic dreams that me and my friends were out in the hills on the run fighting against our own government, I have no idea why, I didn't hate our government back then, my dad always raised me better than that, it was while vietnam was on. Had them about every nite, I remembered when I'd wake up I'd think, thats odd what was that all about , and I would remember them well, I remember I was very afraid in the dream but brave and determined to win, we had a lot of strategies and worked as a team
Gee, did you ever hear of a guy named George Washington and the Battle of Yorktown?
That is a bogus, political leftist-liberal-revisionist view of the South, as the South had more dignified statesmen and military leaders than the North ever had!!! They were anything BUT glorified outlaws!!!
The more I see how Obooombi socialist-fascist-communist usurper is taking down our nation day by day, the more I kind of wish the "secessionists" had prevailed 150 yrs ago or so.
We may end with our own version of "secession" if Obooombi continues to destroy & decimate our formerly great USA (or as Oboooombi thinks of it as the USSA)
Not only that, he is also a complete moroon!
Just read about it. Washington and Rochambeau. Last great battle of the War. Pardon my ignorance.
It was uncovered late in the campaign (but not reported by the fawning media) that the Obama campaign had removed the address verification check on credit card transactions, thereby making it possible for credit card donations from anywhere in the world to be made without checking that they were coming from the US.
I did not know this. More outrage
If you get a chance to read about Arnold in battle do so. He was one of the best we had. God awful traitor but one hell of a warrior.
Obozo is willing to do anything to stay in power and further his socialistic, black liberation beliefs. He will open the door wide for terrorists and anyone else who wants to screw with us as long as he stays in power.
undo Reagan?
Obama is trying to undo Thomas Jefferson!
Well after all, they are allowing access to someone that hasn't qualified for ANY level clearance.
"The Bush administration eventually abandoned many of the legal conclusions..."
LOL So they DISCUSSED what was legal, what wasn't, and then didn't move forward on "torture"...and the news is...?
I've seen more than one place where the term "the US routinely tortures" but have yet to see any evidence. Where is the name of the tortured prisoner the Dems would be shouting 24/7 if this existed?
>>People may say that Bush's administration was trying to protect America, but if we accept that certain freedoms have to be given up for wartime reasons, and we are in a war without end, then we have, for all intents and purposes, permanently given up those freedoms.<<
That's the problem in a nutshell. It was unwise to look at these issues in the context of "do we like and/or trust President Bush43" - the actual question is "do we give up constitutional protects because somebody in government says we ought to?"
Releasing this information is another piece of The Zero's game plan: he's trying to make himself look like a saint by showing us what the "evil Bush" did. Peanuts compared to the evil this dipsh!t has planned. He'll end up on the pointy end of the fork, he keeps this up.
I did not know this. More outrage
There were threads about it on FR, but of course, the info could not make the DNC news media.
They paid his way through college, too. He studied politics.
There's no doubt in my mind the millions he collected for his campaign in $200 or less donations was Saudi money, and it was untraceable.
Yes, I believe he is 100% Muslim, and everything he's done so far has protected his Muslim brothers. He's even destroying our economy - finishing the job the 9/11 high jackers failed to do.
He's got 4 years to totally destroy the U.S. I shiver to think about what he's going to do to us next.
Perhaps they'll publish the DiBella memo too. ( Fat chance).
Good for Bush. Screw the Holder Justice Department for releasing what's supposed to be a "secret" memo. Secret classifications are governed by Federal law. Apparently, the Holder Justice Department doesn't care about that.
"I thought Obama said that more presidents should be like Lincoln."
Obama has more in common with Mugabe than he does with Lincoln.
"Wed better start figuring it out."
No, we'd better start doing something about it. An excellent start would be to stop fighting among ourselves. Stop being stooges for the Democrats.
You are 100% "spot on" correct, especially where said individuals are known to be armed and claiming the protection of the 2nd Amendment.
I wonder if they released the entire memo. Legal memoranda are usually considered "work product", that is, internal analysis of specific legal questions applies to specific facts. Opposing parties in lawsuits usually can't subpoena such documents because they are not an indication of decisions made by the party but rather considerations of alternatives which may or may not have guided the party's actions. (Yeah, I'm sure you can tell by my language I have legal training.)
Typically a legal memo will, by request, posit a narrow set of specific facts and then proceed to apply whatever specific law or laws the requester wants analyzed. They are seldom a wide-ranging analysis of the entire legal landscape affecting the fact situation.
It is entirely inappropriate for Obama to have released these memos because the world at large goes not understand the legal memo process as it operates here. It would be like finding and releasing the memos from the Obama Administration on its budget process, or his and Congress' memos on the stimulus package. In this country, people and administrations are to be judged by their acts, not their incoate thoughts.
My point is that GW Bush has suspended Habeus Corpus for Al Qaida troops in the battlefield abroad and in America.
Obambinazi is seeking criminal prosecution of President Bush and his administration for doing so.
Bush did what Lincoln did.
Obama is a hypocrite in draping himself in Abe's cloak.
4th Amendment USC
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Four categories here:
1) Non US Citizen under NSA surveillance - The search needs to be reasonable and needs no warrant.
2) US Citizen under NSA surveillance - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant under FISA who's existence is constitutionally questionable.
3) Non US Citizen in criminal case - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant.
4) US Citizen in criminal case - The search needs to be reasonable and requires a warrant.
IMO the precedent in question (no warrants required for security based surveillance (not criminal surveillance) was set a long time ago, when our USC was written.
I refer you to post #194; It was not until 1978 under FISA that congress even claimed security surveillance operations that might require a warrant when it involved US Citizens or terrorists on US soil.
And that congressional FISA claim has been slapped down by the courts 5 times.
So are we now to assume that terrorists captured as a result of military action are now entitled to the rights of U.S. citizens under the Constitution? Do we have to give them all habeas corpus hearings?
I fully understand now. The problem isn't Muslim fanatics trying to kill innocent Americans, it's how to accord the fanatics their rights under the Constitution.
I used to believe in the common sense of Americans. No longer.
>>What reasonable action(s) can be taken? <<
All we can do at this point is continue to educate people in a reasonable and calm manner pointing out what in fact is happening. Blogs, e-mails, group discussions, support people who tell the truth.
Remove the incumbents when election time comes.
Hold your local officials accountable for everything that they do right down to your town supervisors, mayors, superintendents, County Executives in short ANY elected official.
If they violate the law, make a stink about it on a local level so that they can be removed from office asap.
Stay informed, and speak out while we still can.
The American public deserves transparency.
He will celebrate..
I'll just think of himn as Famous Anus..
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If you are somewhat confused about sequestration, automatic cuts and furloughs, welcome to the club.
Having jointly created, then delayed, then rescheduled the cuts—now due to begin March 1 — the White House and most members of Congress say it shouldn't happen. That it is the ultimate March Madness. Now many of the people who designed it, knowing it would self destruct, say they can hear the ticking. The only thing Republicans and Democrats agree on is that the other side is totally to blame.
So what if it happens? What if many federal agencies furlough workers one day a week? What then?
The worst-case scenario has airplanes colliding in the sky (assuming they can take off), rotted meat finding its way to your table and bank robbers running wild while furloughed FBI agents are home watching Dr. Phil.
Some feds miss out on pay raise as salary compression worsens
Some feds miss out on pay raise as salary compression worsens
Just about everybody (except true government haters) believes that furloughs are not a good idea. Various groups, representing contractors, rank-and-file feds, senior executives, retirees and people who provide and need services say forcing people to stay home (and unpaid) is not the way to run any business. Even government.
But if the worst happens, and many believe the politicians will blink before the March 1 sequestration start date, how bad can it be?
Earlier this week, a 30-minute early alert of a monster tornado probably saved hundreds, maybe thousands of lives, when it tore through southern Mississippi and Alabama. If we get another one like it during the furlough will the weather service be able to make a life-saving call.
Food poisonings are so rare that when they happen they make national news. Will federal inspections cease or become dangerously spotty during a furlough?
Are federal law enforcement agencies really going to have to furlough officers and vital lab personnel?
Whose going to keep order in federal prisons if the people who are paid to be locked up eight hours a day alongside prisoners are told to stay home?
Will National Parks be shut down if rangers join the endangered federal species list?
People whose duties include preparing for automatic across-the-board cuts have done and are doing their thing — when they could (probably should) be doing other things. Like the jobs they are paid to do. But few people understand what governmentwide furloughs would look like. Especially if they run for a couple of weeks or, worst case, until Sept. 30th?
While the postal service prepares for five-day mail delivery (Saturdays would be a packages-only), the rest of the U.S. Government is preparing for a four-day workweek. Having a three-day weekend probably wouldn't prompt many more feds to eat out, take trips and mini-vacations since those activities require money. Giving tens of thousands of federal workers and federal contractors a 20 percent per week pay cut for the next several months could have an interesting impact on our still struggling (but improving) economy.
So what about your agency? Your base or shipyard? Your office? What have you been told? Do you think you know what you don't know? What do you think would happen to public services if you are furloughed?
Let us know and we'll pass it on to Capitol Hill. If they stick to their grinding Tuesday-through-Thursday schedule, we should catch up with them sometime next week.
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Beginning in the middle of the 19th century, people would routinely send "vinegar valentines," Slate reports. These were "tart, sassy, vindictive and just plain mean" missives people anonymously sent to friends, enemies and social rivals. The practice, sadly, died out in the middle of the last century.
USPS makes case for ending Saturday delivery as postal reform push continues The USPS plan to cut Saturday delivery divided lawmakers a Senate hearing Wednesday. Postmaster General Pat Donahoe said the decision was necessary to save $2 billion a year.
Employee unions march on Capitol Hill to stop sequestration (PHOTOS) Unions, such as the American Federation of Government Employees, rallied against the potential cuts from sequestration as part of their week-long legislative conference. Unions say they want lawmakers to understand the broader impact the cuts would have.
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(AP) - Supporters of a plan to expand background checks on gun sales are more optimistic about the bill's fate after securing another key vote.
Rep. David Sawyer of Tacoma (D) was opposed to the bill yesterday but said this morning he changed his mind, saying he's wanted to give law enforcement/ prosecutors funding to go after felons who try to acquire guns. The bill would require background checks for private gun transactions.
Representative Jamie Pedersen (D) of Seattle said today that he expected the state House would take up the measure later in the day. Pedersen said he plans to add a referendum clause to his bill. He says the move was necessary in order to secure enough votes to pass the measure out of his chamber.
He also said he's confident that supporters of the bill will be able to defend it at the ballot box, even if the National Rifle Association leads an effort to stop it.
Supporters have been straining to corral a few extra votes that would give the bill majority support in the chamber.
The bill would require background checks for private gun transactions.
Gun buyers currently must undergo a background check when they purchase a weapon from a federally licensed firearms dealer.


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The British North America Act, which was proclaimed on 1 July 1867, formed the basis for the creation of the modern state of Canada. In 1967 a giant birthday party on Parliament Hill in Ottawa was attended by Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip to celebrate the centenary of confederation. In 1982 the British North America Act was replaced by a new constitution for the government of Canada. Queen Elizabeth II visited Parliament Hill to proclaim the document. This completed the transfer of constitutional powers from Great Britain to Canada.


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Skip to comments.Manufacturing Jobs Available - 2 Companies of CBS 60 Minutes Segment This Evening 11/11/2012
Posted on 11/11/2012 6:16:55 PM PST by First_Salute
The CBS 60 Minutes segment, "Three million open jobs in U.S., but who's qualified?"
Click-Bond is in Carson City, Nevada at the airport.
Blacks, Hispanics, sex deviates, and minorities only need apply.
Nonsense anyone with an H-1B can get hired.
Are they trying to tell us that the tens of millions of illegal invaders aren't qualified? Then why the hell are we allowing them to enter and remain?
I guess this is an indictment of our public education system.
Waiting for them to say that in 3,2,1.......
Yet, the purpose of the post, is to help FRPR's looking for work in Michigan and Nevada.
Doesn't matter what your qualification might be if you are not a chosen one you are SOL
Half of the staff at CBS could get hired as janitors.
I've have plenty of options with over 20 years experience in my specialty but I shudder for younger Americans who are not as qualified.
Unfortunately, the reporter missed an opportunity to inquire with the ALCOA president, who is from Germany, about the differences between the education systems in the two countries in areas such as technical skill preparation and internships with industry.
Yeah; I'd like to see black people "working", too.....rather than 4th generation inner-city tribal parasitic tribes that haven't EVER held a job, and live off other people's earnings, using their Obamaphones for crack deals.....
If employers can't get skilled people for their jobs, they're not paying enough. That's how it works. Offer jobs for say, welders, at $15 an hour and you'll be whining about there not being qualified applicants. Offer jobs for $30 an hour and they'll be lined up around the block. Welders earning $25 an hour will quit and come work for you.
"If employers cant get skilled people for their jobs, theyre not paying enough."
That's exactly the cause in the case of CNC operators.
For decades, companies tried to "dumb down" manufacturing positions so that anyone off the street could push the buttons. Now they are wanting CNC programmers for $10 and hour and wanting the government to pay for their training.
On the other edge of the scale, there are "union" button pushers making $40 and hour that really don't have any skills other than button pushing.
$12 bucks an hour! That ought to bring in the top talent.
That's the usual excuse --- "corporate America" keeps insisting that skilled workers continue to work for lower and lower pay in order to compensate for the cost of doing business under more and more socialism, which "corporate America" does not have the guts to resist.
"The suits" want skilled workers to provide meritorious service 24/7; but, when that skill level is not compensated by pay and worthy company leadership, it gets harder for companies "to find good employees."
Good leaders would observe the error of their ways and resist the increased burdens imposed by government; but we continue to lose good business leaders, for whom skilled workers will produce well.
The "$12/hr" stated by the Click-Bond rep. is competitive for many un-skilled workers, but not for skilled workers, and he has himself to blame.
BTW, he was protesting a lack of grammar skills in applicants, but he should take the time to look at his own website - the jobs page is "poorly executed" with several blank-double-space gaps between words, missing commas, and missing periods at the end of sentences.
Also, there is no need for the stilted resume jargon found in the company's jobs descriptions --- that appeals to bureaucrats, not to people whose eyes are on the objective of getting good work completed.
I mostly saw the CBS segment as a chance for employment, for some members of Free Republica who are out of work. Also, it may stimulate some to get the skills about which you write; tx.
Union workers for Harry Reid probably get weak in the knees.
This is the companies' cry for the govt. to "do something". Or, in other words, pay the companies money to train people or open the borders to increase competition so they can get people for lower wages.
How about "consumer America" who started buying cheap imported crap in the 60s and continued to buy more and more every year? At the expense of their fellow American workers.
Please don't tell me there were no alternatives. That is total BS.
"Just as in Nevada, it is also helping adult students get the needed skills for operating CNC machines"
I am close to several CNC machine tool dealers in my very large metropolitan area. They aren't selling anything.
Many customers delayed orders through the summer, waiting to
see what happened with the election. They will not buy
a 100K+ lathe or vertical machining center now with
Bozocare firmly in place for the foreseeable future. The
smaller machine shops might still go ahead and place orders
since they are below 50 employees and not subject to the
law. However, the customers that these shops depend on WILL
be affected by Bozocare and many shops expect orders to
slow significantly. If we dive off the fiscal cliff, defense
projects that involve precision machining (and most do)
will stop or be cancelled when the draconian cuts take
affect. That means much less machined parts orders from the
big defense boys and the mid level suppliers.
Not a good situation for the CNC shop business.
I predict that drug screens will be made illegal soon - it's racist, ya know.
Drug tests have already been tested in court as discriminatory against minorities, but the courts upheld their legality.
Of course, that is nothing that a few more years of Obozo court appointees won't be able to take care of.
Re: "Drug Tests Are Racist"
Here in Washington state, the kids call them "IQ Tests."
In my area, Cummins pays welders $11+ to start. They can go up to $16+ w/various skill acquisitions. $14/hr is average. They make mufflers for the military and right now are on overtime.
When I was younger, I operated on an assumption that employers were honest. You will remember that young people tried hard to write well, a worthy resume, because we were told that it mattered. We were told that, by somebody who fussed over the header, and then "this line" and then "that line" ... and we wondered and worried that it seemed, to get the attention of an employer, *There was a 'correct form of resume' to do that?!*
We next learned, that what job applicants and resumes do, as we submitted them in response to Help Wanted ads in the newspapers, is to help employers figure out who and what employers need/want, and *then* the want ad changes as the search is refined.
I remember when HR dept.'s were formed to replace "The Personnel Dept." HR was created to offer a management post to women, and HR became more incapable of understanding "what kind of work we do around here." HR did *not* know what it was looking for, and it became imperative for an applicant to do an end-around that roadblock and find the management of the area in which you were going to be working, you hoped.
A bit later, HR became indispensible, as government regulations forced companies to comply; a lot of fuss about minutiae un-related to skill that is required to produce -— there was a boost in *non-productive* labor.
It was at that point, I ran into trouble. I would succeed at bypassing HR and having good relations with management *who knew how to produce* and *who wanted me to work for them* ... but by then, fussy HR managers would assert that "the chain of command had been thwarted!" as they complained that their fiefdoms had been reduced to "just a personnel dept., once again."
It did not matter that I had proven that I could do the work, as some manager let me run thru some paces and assemble one of the company's hydraulic pumps that I'd never seen before, and also did that in record time. He was all smiles, "Golly, *that* was easy." Yet, the ladies running HR were obsessed with "all prospects must come thru me!"
One exec. was kind enough to detail how my application would fail, as his company's HR "lady" would simply tear up anything in response to how you sounded over the phone (I had asked to speak with so-and-so in manufacturing, and that was considered "bad form." Funny, I just ran into that same problem lately, where a lady, in the absence of her boss, assumed that she has a lot of power and resented my reminding her that she is not the boss. Given that I outranked her, she practically "blew up on the pad.")
Meanwhile at the top of the food chain, I remember an old fellow who had once been the boss of a major manufacturer and then retired; he'd been my boss, too, back in the early 1970's.
When I saw him in the early 1980's, he was very specific about "the new breed" that "are pirates" and have "no connection with production - they're just 'here' to take the money and run." IOW, he lamented the loss of capitalists.
Now, we have charletans and pretenders, schemers, banksters and the lot of "the suits." The cost of management, the cost of doing business *as it is affected by the burdens imposed by government,* are being *ignored* by them whose pay exceeds hundreds of thousands of dollars / year and cannot be justified.
They have "Compensation Committee meetings." It is a disgusting self-congratulatory, back-slapping, mutual admiration society, where no one ever mentions their direct connection to production - actual output - because none can prove their importance on the shop floor, or on the docks, or in the field. They are basically princes holding onto thrones.
They have a lot of brain power in many instances, but *they* *do* *not* *care* about people *who have no power to affect their scheme of participation in the income ladder.*
They would immediately accept a govt-run-barracks of "sustainable working quarters" jammed full of H1B visas, that relieved them of doing anything in management related to *labor management.*
The unions are not clueless, but they are too greedy to help their members realize, that the progressives, now, still need to get out the vote in the name of the union, but otherwise, unions will be folded into government, for the purpose of enforcing U.S. Government Workers Barracks Regulations.
Free TV, free Wi-Fi, free cell phones; all the usual workers paradise amenities, along with the unrest caused by being jammed into government housing.
All, the outcome of "the brain trust of suits" who have no guts to resist the cost of government.
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