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What would it take for the Leafs to land Yakupov and Galchenyuk?
Jonathan Willis
June 05 2012 10:20PM
Earlier today, we ran an interview between Andrey Osadchenko and Igor Larionov on this site. Larionov is the agent for two of 2012's top draft prospects – Nail Yakupov and Alex Galchenyuk – and among other things he made the interesting suggestion that the Leafs might attempt to land both players (who are also teammates in Sarnia).
Is it possible?
Asked what the Oilers had told him about drafting Yakupov with the first overall pick, Larionov offered (in part) the following:
Tambellini told me: 'We like him. We want him. But we're going to make a decision the day before the draft'. I also know the Habs want to get one of my guys – either Nail or Alex [Galchenyuk]. So do the Leafs. It is possible that the Leafs are going to trade their draft pick and get both of them. There is a possibility like that. Nail and Alex went to New Jersey for Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Finals. After this they met Leafs GM Brian Burke. Then Nail met with the Habs.
(emphasis added)
It's the same scenario that Robin Brownlee spit-balled a few days ago, except that instead of the Oilers making a move to land both players, it would be the Leafs.
Shades of 1999
While normally this sort of talk has a fantastic quality to it, every once in a while a general manager pulls this kind of deal off. Brian Burke did it at the 1999 NHL Entry Draft, where the Canucks emerged as the big winners of the first round, drafting twin brothers Henrik and Daniel Sedin.
How did they do it? The Canucks already owned the third overall selection, and they needed to land another pick inside the top three. They managed to get the fourth overall pick from Chicago in exchange for defenseman Bryan McCabe and the Blackhawks choice of Vancouver's first round pick in either 2000 or 2001 (Chicago opted for the 11th overall pick in 2000). Then they dealt that fourth overall pick to Tampa Bay along with a pair of third round picks in exchange for the first overall selection.
With Atlanta eying Patrik Stefan – while now considered a bust, at the time Stefan boasted size and physical maturity; he was a point-per-game player in the IHL (roughly equivalent to the AHL today) in his draft year – the Canucks traded down from first to second overall, collecting a third round pick the following year in the process.
Chicago got a good defenseman and a first round pick. Atlanta got Patrik Stefan. Vancouver walked away with two-thirds of an elite first line.
What Would It Take?
The Leafs are in an interesting position because they have strength in areas where the Oilers are weak. It seems unlikely that top defenseman Dion Phaneuf would be on the table, but the Leafs have a quartet of other (relatively) young defenders that might intrigue the Oilers:
- 21-year old Jake Gardiner
- 22-year old Luke Schenn
- 24-year old Cody Franson
- 25-year old Carl Gunnarsson
Looking back to what the Leafs did in 1999, would the Oilers consider one of Schenn or Gardiner, Franson, and their choice of the Leaf's first round pick in either 2013 or 2014 in exchange for the first overall selection this year? Schenn was a fifth overall pick a few years ago, plus he has a WHL heritage and the Oilers do love both of those things.
The Leafs pick next year could be a high one as well. Since 2008, the Leafs have by virtue of their regular season finish had the opportunity to draft seventh (they moved up to 5th overall and took Schenn), seventh (Nazem Kadri), second (Boston got the pick in the Phil Kessel deal and drafted Tyler Seguin), ninth (another pick lost in the Kessel deal; Boston drafted Dougie Hamilton) and then fifth overall next year. Based on recent history, next year's first round pick will be a considerable asset.
There's also the possibility that the Leafs could trade up to eighth overall and use that pick to barter with Edmonton. There has been speculation recently that the Carolina Hurricanes are willing to deal that pick for immediate help up front (h/t Lowetide). The Leafs have some options that might be appealing to Carolina, and could add a highly regarded prospect like Joe Colborne or Nazem Kadri in a package with an established forward.
If the Leafs managed to land the eighth overall pick, Edmonton might be intrigued by the possibility of trading down and landing a player like Griffin Reinhart.
Will it happen?
I very much doubt it. Burke often talks about moving up on draft day (as opposed to the Oilers, who let it be known that they would be interested in moving up, don't move up, and then trade for the player five years later after whoever drafted him is willing to move on) but the reality is that deals like that are hard to pull off. People are loss-averse by nature and the prospect of moving a top pick can be nerve-wracking.
Still, sometimes strange things happen. I'd be surprised if Burke didn't at least sound out Tambellini about that first overall pick.
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June 05 2012, 10:31PM
Been trying to think of something witty but all I could come up with is "STOCC!" heres to you dude.
Personally I don't think Burke has the pieces to do it but thats just me.
Personally, I would trade the first overall pick if the offer is right. We need help on the back end and if the offer is sweet enough, it has to be considered.
June 05 2012, 10:32PM
In order to get both NAil and Garg, the Leafs would need the number 1 and the present 5th pick. If there was a way the Oil could still get an early first round pick (to go for Murray) and another Dman from Toronto Schenn/Gardiner whomever, I say do the deal.
Toronto would have to wave their magic wand and create fairies pooping from Burkes butt, but let him do the heavy lifting. Looks like Puffy Burke could use the exercise.
June 05 2012, 10:40PM
Very scary to move a possible superstar, for a bunch of also rans. If you have the superstars, the spare parts are easier to get, and look better when they are surrounded by elite talent. Don't move the pick unless it's a generational talent coming back
Doesn't Justin Shultz want to play with Gardiner or is good friends with him? If landing Gardiner in a trade improves your chances of signing Shultz then maybe trading the first overall pick isn't such a bad idea.
June 05 2012, 10:53PM
How is Burke supposed to get Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Luongo, AND Nash???
Wasn't Burke going to do whatever it takes to get Tavares...
Look at how good the Flames are after taking half of the Leafs junk, why would Edmonton take the rest?
That being said I can see Edmonton trying to get another pick 8-12.
Best thing I've heard from management here in a few years actually (shockingly) came out of Tambellini's own mouth... I don't have the exact quote, but what he said had several good points that I (again, shockingly) agreed with. They were that: he recognized the Oilers roster is lacking a good blueliner; the organization itself wasn't necessarily lacking in blueline depth (meaning he felt they had good depth in the system at D... arguable); they didn't have to solve the lack of roster D via the draft; a defenseman drafted may not play in the NHL for a bit.
He said all the correct stuff I wanted to hear (although, again I stress that our organizational D depth is probably up for debate, but that's not the main point here). I like that he recognized the hole on the blue line and that he didn't seem to feel as though passing on the BPA was the best idea to fill that position.
I still think we draft Nail, and we move some assets like Gagner in order to fill the D hole (or sign via free agency.. but really a good quality young d-man will be hard to come by that way). I hope that is what actually happens.
The last thing we need is another dman (phenuf) who doesn't want to play here.
Yakupov admits himself that he's never won any titles.
He is way-way overated and the Oil know it.
Trade the pick and settle the backend!
Is this a ploy to get more hits on the site!?
Burke is a joke, constantly deflecting the realization that his team is as big of a joke as him. Stuck in mediocrity with no escape. He will be lucky to have a job by the end of this season.
In the mean time the YAK will be an oiler. No doubt
I would take no less than gardiner, shenn/franson/Gunnarson, colbourne/kulemin, and torontos first next year. Would toronto do that? Probably not, but cornered animals take drastic actions.
June 05 2012, 11:55PM
Doesn't Justin Shultz want to play with Gardiner or is good friends with him? If landing Gardiner in a trade improves your chances of signing Shultz then maybe trading the first overall pick isn't such a bad idea.
OK.....I think I have got it....
Burke would be a guy that could pull this off. Also if he has Justin Schultz in his back Pocket, but is worried about tampering, he may be motivated to do something.
I could see Burke doing a deal with Anaheim, quashing the charges and getting Schultz rights for a pick/prospect, and signing him before the draft.
Burke then has too many D. He sees Tambi Salivating and offers us the holy grail. Schultz and Gardiner straight up for the number 1!
Think about it...Lowe and Tambi have to consider. We get the two D that are best buds and the same age as our core. Great offensive upside to match our stay at home Smid & Klefbom. We immediately have what would have been a 3 year development on 2 great D. All of a sudden were caught up. Plus they are both ELD still, so costs are low.
Sounds to me like a deal...give me some props people!
Burke then uses his muscle to make sure galch is available at 5 and he walks away with the russian buddies. Both teams are happy and have a young tandem that will play together for years.
We would still have $$to sign a free agent D as well.
JW would love to hear if you think this might work?
June 06 2012, 12:35AM
I like where you are heading with 2 young defencemen for 1st overall but ONLY if we duct tape Khabbi to that draft pick. TO gets a marquee draft pick, an experienced goalie, and we are free to add a quality back-up to DD.
"as opposed to the Oilers, who let it be known that they would be interested in moving up, don't move up, and then trade for the player five years later after whoever drafted him is willing to move on"
This line is bang on and the best description of the Oilers tendencies on draft day. Too good.
June 06 2012, 12:42AM
I like where you are heading with 2 young defencemen for 1st overall but ONLY if we duct tape Khabbi to that draft pick. TO gets a marquee draft pick, an experienced goalie, and we are free to add a quality back-up to DD.
So maybe it's Gustafson and Khabby added to the deal?
June 06 2012, 12:42AM
If I'm not mistaken, Schultz can't be signed until July 1. Teams can talk to him but that's it.
Who does this refer to, by the way? Reference was lost on me!
June 06 2012, 12:53AM
I can't see the Oilers dealing with Burke one on one. Burke will be going after CBJ and Nash.
The Oilers are the ones who have to make a move! Not the other way around.
Oilers will be going hard after the Hurricanes 8th overall pick to land Rienhart, Dumba or Rielly. What Rutherford said to THN is a top 6 forward. My best guess is Hemsky.
That would put the Oilers right about were Rienhart will be.
If they want it bad enough, I'd do it for this package...
Gardiner Schenn Kadri 8th overall (assuming Toronto gets it from Carolina)
The 8th is key, ideally it ends up being Grigorenko, he may slide this far. If not Forsberg, and if both those 2 are gone. Then one of Reiley, Reinhart, Murray, Dumba or Trouba will be there. In the order I'd want them...
Grigorenko (big, skilled 2nd line centre) Forsberg (big skilled winger/centre) Reiley (offensive dman) Reinhart (big, well rounded dman) Murray (avg. size well rounded dman) Dumba (gamble, boom or bust IMO) Trouba (solid american dman)
Obviously Toronton gives up a lot, but they are getting a potential superstar, it's gonna cost them.
June 06 2012, 01:03AM
If I'm not mistaken, Schultz can't be signed until July 1. Teams can talk to him but that's it.
I thought Anaheim could sign him, so by trading for his rights, Leafs could sign him.
I can't see the Oilers dealing with Burke one on one. Burke will be going after CBJ and Nash.
The Oilers are the ones who have to make a move! Not the other way around.
Oilers will be going hard after the Hurricanes 8th overall pick to land Rienhart, Dumba or Rielly. What Rutherford said to THN is a top 6 forward. My best guess is Hemsky.
That would put the Oilers right about were Rienhart will be.
I'm with you, obviously the Toronto trade is a huge long shot. But I love the idea of trading for Carolina's pick. If we could get one of Grigorenko, Reiley, Murray, or Reinhart with that pick, that would fill a huge hole for the Oil, either a young dman with top 4 or better potential, or a big skilled centre to play behind the Nuge. Either way, that would be huge.
The people is thread are retarded. For example:
"Gardiner Schenn Kadri 8th overall (assuming Toronto gets it from Carolina)
Seriously, are you tripping on LSD? While we're at it let Toronto trade Kessel for N-H, Hall, and Eberle. Hey, Edmonton gives up a lot but they're getting a star player.
First of all, those are hardly comparables. Edmonton's players are all 1st overall young stars or Eberle who just finished top 15 in league scoring at 22 years of age.
Schenn - has potential, but at this point is struggling and overpaid Kadri - now 21 and as of yet has not stuck with the big team. Gardiner - solid, young, top 4 dman.
Not exactly RNH, Hall, and Eberle.
Plus, Kessel? If Edmonton offered Yakupov for Kessel, Burke would do it in one second. Your values are way off.
It's going to take an overpayment for Edmonton to deal the first, this is an overpayment, everyone knows this.
June 06 2012, 02:07AM
I like how Tambelini announced it would take an overwhelming package to pry away 1st overall.
Gardiner is un-proven and could be a bust; Schenn's value is declining every season, as he is not playing to the hype.
Having said that, #5 + #8 + Schenn + Gardiner should at least make Tambelini listen and consider. Otherwise, we don't take other teams declining assets and give up a rising star like Yakupov.
Burke has a truly crazy persona.
as arrogant and lacking of humility as anyone in hockey yet as supportive and understanding as anyone outside of hockey. i give him props for that.
that being said, from the hockey side i would rather Dithers and Klowe get multi-year extensions than do any sort of deal that could benefit Burke and the leafs.
our management has shown enough incompetence to make that happen.
June 06 2012, 06:51AM
I'm a bit surprised by how badly many people here want to stock up on a mass of young d men all at once. Let's fill a hole on d but see how Gernat, klefbom, Marincin, DMusil and Davidson pan out beofre setting 5/6 D in stone for the next five years.
We have needs all over the line up, outside of the first line and DD (who I think we can go with for the near future, providing he's part of a solid tending pair). I'm not really up for dealing Yak unless it's for a truly proven great young d man, but in the spirit of this thread I'd rather have one of Gardiner and Schultz and then add a solid FA D-man for 2-3 years, than make getting both of them the centrepiece for passing on Yak. seeing Gardiner as a lure for Schultz is a gamble and rather pointless. And if we end up with some middle of the pack first rounder out of it, I'd look for a big tough C like Wilson ahead of Trouba, Ceci, etc.
IF it's Toronto along the lines many are suggesting here, I'd ask for Gardiner, Kulemin, their 2012 2nd rounder and next years first for Yak #1 OV.
June 06 2012, 08:15AM
Actually, Gardiner, Schenn, Kadri and the #8 would almost certainly be an overpay on Toronto's part.
If you held the winning lottery ticket and someone didnt offer you more than the value of the prize, why would you hand it over?
Honestly, it ought to take a Christmas Miracle for Burke to pull that deal off
I totally agree. It has to be an overpay for the first overall pick.
The way Tambi seems to be playing it is as though he's not shopping the pick around but as if he's saying if you want it make me an offer I can't refuse.
I would be ok with Schenn, Gardiner and #8 for the #1 pick. We can then use the pick on whomever is available from Grigorenko, Reinhart, Forsberg, Rielly, Teravainin, or Dumba.
Tambellini and Lowe remind me of Harry and Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber, always missing the boat on things, and if they do this trade it will be a "Do you realize what you've done?" moment. The only way I see this as good is if Jake Gardiner could help land Justin Schultz.
Tambellini needs to grow a set and go looking at making a trade to get another pick in the top 5 instead of waiting for action from other GM's, be aggressive man! This is a pivitol point in the rebuild and Tambi better not mess it up or he should be the next to go.
Thats the thing Willis. It has to be what many would consider an overpay. If the Leafs or anyone else want the #1 you don't trade it for what may be equal value. You wring them for everything they got or keep the shiny prize.
Therefore the Oilers will take the shiny prize.
Then imagine if we were lucky enough to draft Henrik Samuelsson at the top of the second round...
If you get Gardiner in the trade your chances of getting Shultz go up big.
I'm not trading the pick unless there are two scenarios.
I get a star defenceman on a contract and a late first round pick
I get two top prospects with NHL experience (D-man and forward) and a high draft pick in the Top 7-8
Both would also have to be an overpay because Yakupov will likely be one of the best players barring any catastrophic circumstances.
Toronto doesn't have the cards that intrigue me enough. Gardiner is on my list, but Kadri isn't and Schenn isn't.
Edmonton doesn't HAVE to trade here. Just take the amazing winger and keep building the best core you can until you can sign a great player or can let one of your extremely valuable assets go at a high price.
Junk junk trade idea. Reminds me of the Thornton deal, a bunch of decent players for a great player. How did that deal do? Forget it, don't trade the #1 overall for anything short of previous years #1 overalls or similar: Tavares, Hedman, Duchene, Pietrangelo, OEL, etc etc. You get the idea. Not a bunch of mediocrity for one great player.
You want to take defensemen from the 2nd worst goals against squad last year. The team that had the third worst penalty kill and a defensive squad that was a key contributor to the absolute tank of a season for the final 6-8 weeks of the season after being in the playoff hunt for most of the year.
Outside of Phaneuf and Gardiner - the only offensive threats they have on D - the rest are more of the same style of D we already have - shut down guys.
No point - also maybe Gardiner can be had into the season should Toronto struggle yet again and gives the Oilers time to assess their forwards. If the young guns are truly ready to take over Toronto would have no problem taking on Hemsky's term/salary.
13 years ago Burke pulls off the deal of his career to establish hsi reputation, ever since he has basically been reduced to just talking a good game.
With the main difference of the last few years being that he is now in a location that actually listens to him.
June 06 2012, 09:59AM
Kadri blows. Might as well keep omark and get Schremp back as well if we wanna grab that type of player
I'm not trading the pick unless there are two scenarios.
I get a star defenceman on a contract and a late first round pick
I get two top prospects with NHL experience (D-man and forward) and a high draft pick in the Top 7-8
Both would also have to be an overpay because Yakupov will likely be one of the best players barring any catastrophic circumstances.
Toronto doesn't have the cards that intrigue me enough. Gardiner is on my list, but Kadri isn't and Schenn isn't.
Edmonton doesn't HAVE to trade here. Just take the amazing winger and keep building the best core you can until you can sign a great player or can let one of your extremely valuable assets go at a high price.
My thinking is, if the Oilers really are considering Grigs, Forsberg, Reinhart, and Murray with that pick. If one of them is available at 8th, and Toronto has acquired and offers this pick for Yak, along with Gardiner, Schenn, and Kadri, then how do you not do it? Again, if Stu sees it as being this close and isn't 100 % sold on Yak and truly is happy with any of those other 4, then you're basically getting one of your guys, plus 2 young dmen, both with top 4 potential, both NHL ready, and a flashy winger, who even though he is unproven, should not be a write off yet (i.e.. see magnus paajarvi) as all bonus pieces. and even if only one of them works out in addition to the pick, then you come out ahead. If Stu sees Yak as the best player by far and really wouldn't be happy with any of the other 4, then maybe the deal isn't enough. I know I'd personally be happy to trade the first pick for this package...
8th - Grigs or Forsberg Gardiner Schenn Kadri
to me, that's enough of an overpayment to make me pull the trigger. I've always liked Schenn, I'm hoping that he's just going through his development and will end up being a solid dman. Gardiner is a good, young, puck moving dman, I see him as Petry, but with more offensive upside. Kadri's a wild card, he's not slow like Schremp, and he's does have good hands. He may be end up being a nice fit on our 2nd line. And finally Grigs or Forsberg would end up filling that big 2nd line centre that we've wanted/needed for so many years now. I prefer Grigs as he's played centre all year. I know Forsberg played both centre and the wing. One thing is certain, he'd be a centre on our team.
Some people believe Yakupov is by far the best player, and it's not even close. Some people believe Schenn is overrated and almost a bust. Some people believe Gardiner is unproven and hasn't done anything yet. Some people believe Kadri is nothing more than an AHLer. If you feel that way, I can see why you wouldn't be happy with this trade. All I know is that, if we turned a first line RWer into 2 top 4 dmen, a 2 top 6 forwards. I'd be very happy.
Kadri blows. Might as well keep omark and get Schremp back as well if we wanna grab that type of player
Kadri's young and unproven and is far from the main piece of the deal. He's piece 4 of 4. He's also a much better skater than Schremp and he's the same age as Paajarvi. He's far from a sure thing, but he's also not a bust either.
June 06 2012, 10:49AM
Have to admire Brian Burke. He's the guy who could actually do something like this, while Tambellini can only dream of such ambitions.
Starting to get the feeling this is the draft that confirms that Edmonton management is incompetent.
Best bet is go and get the pick from Carolina for a roster forward(U pick) and use that for Reilly, Reinhart, Dumba... We get we want and need from the Draft without pickin up guys the Leafs don't want... Outside of Gardiner anyways.
June 06 2012, 11:20AM
Re: Yakupov. Anything that does not bring an established star in a demonstrated "need position"(Big First Line Center or #1 Dman) - who also happens to have a contract that is viable - is craziness IMO. Toronto has neither of these. Yakupov has the tools to be a 40 goal guy! How many top 3 overall forwards from the OHL have been average players let alone busts? (credit to Stauffer for pointing this one out). The top 3 overall OHL forwards since 2001:
2011 - Landeskog 2010 - Hall / Seguin 2009 - Tavares / Duchene 2008 - Stamkos 2007 - P. Kane 2006 - J. Staal 2005 - B. Ryan 2003 - E. Staal / Horton 2002 - Nash 2001 - J Spezza
Who are the "slackers" in this group? Horton (a 6'2" 230 lb center with 380 pts in 548 games)? Bobby Ryan ( a 6"2" 220 lb power forward with 259 pts in 332 games)?
Someone please tell me, who from the above list - Horton's current injury issues not withstanding - would you trade for Kadri / Schenn or Gardiner. Statistically, Yakupov is as much a mortal lock to be an excellent top 6 forward as there is.
If you can get #8 overall by trading anyone outside of the 3 kids or Smid / Petry, look at it. You MAY get a future first pairing D-man out of it. Don't see Carolina biting on a Hemsky for #8 though.
I am fine with taking YAK and trying to land Schultz and a UFA fill in top 4 D-man (I still like Carle) to stop the bleeding and upgrade the existing defence to "adequete". If ST can accomplish this - no small feat - I am a very happy camper. Maybe I am dreaming we can actually sign two Top 4 D-men.
Tell me the kids being a year older and bigger, Yakupov, and two of J Schultz / Carle / Wideman / Garrison / B. Allen / et al does not make us a LOT better.
And Tamby, if Brian Burke phones, tell him to P.F.O. - and the "please" is optional. I beseech you - DO NOT OVERTHINK THIS!
First off IMO, is that Burke would have to send Schenn and Gardiner to get this year's #1 pick overall for the fifth pick at least.
Tambellini and Lowe would not go down to eight if a three way deal with Carolina was to take place due to that there is still Columbus, then Motnreal, the New Yor Islandere, Anaheim and Minnesota picking ahead of eighth. By then Murray, Reinhart, Grigorenko, Forsberg, or even Teurovainen and Dumba could be gone.
The Oil would still have a good pick at this timne but it would not be of a potential superstar status.
Besides, along with the likelihood of losing the specific player they want, who says that the Oil would be guaranteed of getting Schultz as well, even if Gardiner was traded here?
I am one who does not like Burke or the Maple Leafs so why would I help them out if I was with the Oiler Brass....lol.
We take Yakupov at #1, then see what happens by dealing for Carolina's eighth pick. probably would offer Hemsky and/or Gagner. Then we trade with the Islanders for fourth overall and take Reinhart. At this point, I would offer to the Isle the eighth pick and either Peckham or Plante with maybe Lander (unless Paajarvi has to go)to open up some room for the next wave of juniors entering into the AHL, such as Marancin, Musil, Davidson, etc.
If that works out we would then have Yakupov to explode with our other super kids (Hall, RNH, Eberle), along with Reinhart for the very near future, and still have a #1 pick nex year in place.
We still then also have that #32 pick this year to shore up either defence once more or take a goalie.
Just food for thought and maybe way too complicated to take place. Intriguing scenario dont ya think?
June 06 2012, 01:35PM
Hall,Eberle,RNH,Hemsky,Yakupov,......Jeebus. Take the pick, score the goals, make everyone else jealous.
Are u effing kidding me? Yeah let's go out of our way to help Toronto draft arguably the 2 best prospects in this years draft for freaking Luke Schenn and next years first rounder? Hoooorrrrrible idea and will NEVER happen.
Just a thought, but its great to get the team younger and its great to have ELC's to work with. What about the cap floor? And how do you keep a team of all young stars together?
It is conceivable that by getting to young and to loaded with talent that the team implodes. Thats why they call them a general manager not a super star locator.
Hall,Eberle,Nuge,Petry,smid,Gagner,Yakupov(maybe)or Schenn and Gardiner. If they all got 6 million ( yes high for some low for others) Thats either 48 million for 8 players or 54 million for 9 players.
Looks like it could become a problem.
Thats why most of the great teams run a rotation thru the ranks some young players and some vets. Are we getting to young?
If the Oilers could just sign Shultz, then Gardiner for Yakupov sounds like a bad deal for the Oilers. So I still say no. There is very little that would sway me to make a trade. I hope Oilers management isn't stressing about a trade, and hopefully they're focusing on all the other options.
As well, there is a long term plan here to build the team right - and why Tambo was offered an extension - so why try shortcuts now that could actually hinder the clubs overall development in a couple years time. The goal shouldn't be 8th place, it should be a cup, so take Yakupov, build, build, build the youth, and then go get the key pieces. Just like Tambo said in the beginning.


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Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it. As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.
The entire game is designed around permadeath, it wouldn't work without it. All you are doing is stateing a (wrong) opinion as fact with nothing to back it up. An mmorpg set up as a massive maze with completely open pvp and permadeath would probably be the most exciting and difficult game on the market.
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I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
from googling around,
this game has been "live" in Japan for the last 8 months
Japanese MMO Publisher Seeks Partners for Worldwide Distribution
Los Angeles – Oct. 17, 2011 – Leading Japanese massively multiplayer online (MMO) game publisher Gamepot Inc. is continuing its march to bring Wizardry Online to gamers around the world. Launching the open beta in Japan last week to an overwhelmingly positive response, Gamepot quickly added multiple new servers to accommodate the more than 100,000 sign-ups acquired on the first day of testing alone. Commercial service is now live in Japan and Gamepot is working to deliver an English version to fans in the U.S. and Europe in early 2012.
If there's perma-death it's not going to be very successful, just sayin.
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Originally posted by Ozmodan
Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it. As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.
There are several games that do permadeath. You obviously hav eno idea hwo the system works either. You travel back to your body in the spirit realm. If you make it back to your body in time you recover, but you can only do this so many times. I will lay it I played Diablo 2 on Hardcore for years with Dial up so don't tell me that perma death isn't popular because you were still squirting in your shorts the last time a major game featured it. I'm pretty sure there are tons of D3 hardcore players as well so please tell me more about how no one likes perma death.
Well games like Diablo can do it because they really don't have GM support, you just cannot believe what a support nightmare is for GM's with permadeath in MMO's. Bad enough in games like Eve where they lose items. So no, SOE knows better, they will not have permadeath in the game it will become some other form of losing items or some such. BTW spirit form is not permadeath, you might learn what the term means.
Originally posted by Asamof
heart sank when I saw SOE's name so much for this game
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Originally posted by Ozmodan spirit form is not permadeath, you might learn what the term means.
the death is permanent if you fail to get a spirit shrine
permadeath = loss of character forever
The permadeath is Wizardry Online is more complicated than you people think. I've been reading badly translated reviews for a while now. When you die you go into spirit form and have a chance to get your body back, if you get it back then you aren't permanently dead. However, each time you do this there is a ever increasing chance that the character dies permanently even if you get your corpse back. Die too many times and you are dead. However, in addition to standard character advancement the game also features a Soul Level. This is advancement that your characters will retain even in permanent death. Your overall soul level will never be taken from you so advancement monkeys won't necessarily just freak out when they lose a character.
All areas of the game allow for PVP, so yes, you can get ganked and killed. Towns have guards that will attack players flagged as outlaws though, so gankers have to stay out of the major cities.
Permadeath is something we have been missing in mmorpgs for a while and this game will carve out a solid nitch for itself if it sticks with the hardcore principles forged in Japan.
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Interesting, I wonder how much of the spaceship stuff they will be keeping in the game.
oh yeah!! finally a mmorpg that i want to play, hope Sony dont screw it ( i know they will)
with ther soul levels it doesnt seem too harsh even with permadeath. it kinda reminds me of getting kerpodded in eve (which has happened many a time heh)
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Waiting for it anxiously. Surely its something new . Not many well known mmorpgs walk the path of permadeath.Hoping it will also have something of the magic of the 90's rpgs that used to came out and made us rpgholics.
Originally posted by EndDream
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Even SOE recognizes you can't do permadeath in a MMO with current state of internet connections, so if you were counting on that feature you can forget it. As to a MMO world strictly of dungeons, that would get very old fast.
The fastest selling PC game ever that was released last month disagrees.
Yeah, and in that game permadeath is an option and not forced on everyone. I can guarantee that if it was forced permadeath you would alienate the vast majority of those customers.
Having a permadeath server? Sure why not....
Having permadeath for everyone? Say goodbye to the majority of your potential subscribers.
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I don't think the game is made to appeal to everyone hopefully SOE doesn't try to make it fit for everyone.
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Originally posted by dubyahite
Love or hate SOE, you gotta give them this:
They are trying to break the mold. They definitely are trying to advance the genre in lots of ways.
Sandbox MMOs, Mmofps, kids MMOs, free to play, action based combat, their in house engine, etc.
They definitely aren't churning out your average eq/wow clone over and over. Well, EQ3 might be the exception to that, but we really don't know.
Lets look at SoE's major releases:
Everquest. Obviously unlike anything thats come before it
Planetside. MMOFPS
SWG. Sandbox with a true player driven economy and amazing crafting and social aspects
EQOA. Console only MMORPG, they squeezed a hell of a lot of life out of that frontiers disc
Everquest 2. Technically the first 'themepark' game as we know it today, although Blizzard was obviously on the same wavelength
DCUO. A stab at more action oriented combat
Thtas a pretty varied slate, and the only one that was considered bad is DCUO, and even that one has gained respect somewhat.
I have very fond memories of staying up all night, playing the FIRST Wizardry (Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord) with my father. You had to make your own maps with graph paper, and it was FUCKING AWESOME. The game was so primitive, yet the experience was the best I have had with any game since. Those were the days...
DCUO isn't remotely bad. Just not the right type of gameplay for a sub fee or overly restrictive cash shop. It lacked a good end game is it's major pitfall though.
Originally posted by finnmacool1
Originally posted by Asamof
heart sank when I saw SOE's name so much for this game
While I'm intrigued, I'm somewhat taken aback due to SOE being involved. However, I'll keep it an eye on it.
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f2p at release with probably a revive potion that can be bought through station cash to restore your character.
just a guess.
Why are so many here comparing Wizardry with Elder Scrolls?
Wizardry was released in 1981.
Bethesda Softworks was FOUNDED in 1986.
The Elder Scrolls - Arena was released in 1994.
By the time Elder Scrolls ONE came out, Wizardry SEVEN had been out TWO years.
The both series built upon the earlier releases, and when Wizardry started, if your computer had 16k ram (Yes, 16 KILOBYTES !) and a double density single sided 5.25" floppy drive you were doing good. So called 'open world design' wasn't even a catch phrase, it was science fiction.
Both games were products of their times, and were good. But to try and compare them based on modern games (The last wizardry was 8 in 2001) is just plain silly. Try finding out what the features of the MMORPG are, especially since that's what's supposed to be discussed, and see how that compares to current MMORPGs, not some relic (though loved) software titles of the ancient past.
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SoE will probably launch it at permadeath, then realize the numbers are lower than they should be for a new game, then either reduce the death penalty or get rid of it all together in effort to reach a larger audience. Perma-death in non-MMO setting (Diablo 3) isn't a good comparison to one in an MMO, and Sony isn't a small time Indie company willing to take financial risks, either.
To those who were looking forward to perma-death, this is probably not good news for you. Now if Konami or Atlas decided to get in on this, that would be different.
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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
SoE will probably launch it at permadeath, then realize the numbers are lower than they should be for a new game, then either reduce the death penalty or get rid of it all together in effort to reach a larger audience.
Sorry but no. Hard game difficulty, getting lost in dungeons and permadeath is what Wizardry franchise IS. They won't be getting rid of one of main features that attract people to Wizardry
well i played the first wizerdy game fr years and liked the ones after now im not to into the perma death is this going to be just going to be a loot whore game runnign around trying to keep your loot ya i can see the ragers going crazy in this game oh crap ran into 4 people who killed me took all my loot ug not to fun i rember in uo oh we get piised if are fave wep got taken before the insurence was added so ya going be a rage fest


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Try to do both. Paying off your house prior to retirement is a sound financial goal, but I'd like to see you have a higher balance in your retirement account, too.
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Bhumibol Adulyadej (pōˈmēpôlˌ ädŏlˈyädĕtˌ) [key], 1927–, king of Thailand (1946–), b. Cambridge, Mass. A member of the Chakri dynasty, he was at school in Switzerland when his brother, King Ananda Mahidol, died (1946) under mysterious circumstances. Bhumibol ruled with a regent until 1950, when he was formally crowned Rama IX. The longest-ruling monarch in Thailand's history, in 2000 he also became longest-reigning ruler in the world. He has enjoyed great popular support although his power is largely ceremonial. The king has actively promoted development projects and has been generally a stabilizing force in the country's turbulent politics, intervening several times to resolve governmental crises or criticize government leaders. His displeasure with the government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra partially contributed to the coup that ousted Thaksin, and the king subsequently gave his approval to the coup and new government. The king's name also appears as Phumiphen.
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Question 1 of 30
Some modern civil wars have been going for years. Name one ongoing civil war from the middle of the 20th century.
Israeli-Palestinian conflict
The Israelis and Palestinians have been in conflict for well over 50 years.
Falklands war
the Vietnam war
Question 2 of 30
South Sudan's civil war is being fought by what ethnic groups?
the Dinka and the Tutsi
the Dinka and the Nuer
Violence broke out in 2013 between the Dinka and the Nuer.
the Nuer and the Hutu
Question 3 of 30
What caused the political upheaval and war in South Sudan?
food shortage
The president of Sudan fired his vice president.
The Dinka sided with President Salva Kiir, while the Nuer supported Vice President Riek Machar.
religious riots
Question 4 of 30
Since 2013, how many people are estimated to have been killed in the civil war?
over 50,000
The conflict, in its third year, has been bloody, with more than 50,000 casualties.
Question 5 of 30
What is another adverse effect of the violence in South Sudan?
The land has been burned and destroyed.
Farmers cannot plant crops.
With the lack of crops, a terrible food shortage has occurred.
a low birth rate
Question 6 of 30
In July 2014, the United Nations warned that the food shortage could have what effect in South Sudan?
Four million people could be impacted.
Fifty thousand children could die of hunger.
They declared the food shortage the worst in the world, with both of these statements as possibilities.
Question 7 of 30
How many people have been displaced in the South Sudanese conflict?
1.6 million
A staggering number of people — 1.6 million — have been affected.
Question 8 of 30
Yemen is also facing an ongoing civil war. What group is leading the insurgency?
Houthis are part of a religious sect.
Question 9 of 30
What branch are the Houthis part of?
Sunni Islam
Shiite Islam
They are Zaidi Shiite, a sect of the branch of Shiite Islam.
Question 10 of 30
What are Yemeni Houthis officially referred to as?
Ansar Allah
Ansar Allah means Partisans of God, and the sect makes up roughly a third of the Yemeni population.
Question 11 of 30
Who did the Houthi rebels force out of office in early 2015?
the president
President Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi had to flee the capitol after rebel Houthi forces descended.
the ayatollah
the imam
Question 12 of 30
Hadi is now …
back in office
He rescinded his resignation in fall 2015 and went back to Yemen.
living in Saudi Arabia
Question 13 of 30
The political chaos has resulted in …
a growing Islamic State (IS) group presence
a growing al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) presence
IS and AQAP have been able to build robust operation networks in unstable Yemen.
Question 14 of 30
The war in Yemen has left how many people displaced?
1.3 million
Along with terrorist threats and food insecurity, more than a million Yemenis have also been displaced by the conflicts.
Question 15 of 30
You might be familiar with the ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan, but do you know what group is attempting an insurgency?
the Taliban
The Afghan Taliban were driven out of the country but are still waging battle.
Question 16 of 30
Where are the Taliban now?
The Taliban are in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They control more Afghan territory now than any time since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion.
Question 17 of 30
When did the Syrian civil war begin?
The Syrian conflict began as part of the Arab Spring in 2011.
Question 18 of 30
What was the focus of the initial Syrian Arab Spring protests?
President Bashar Assad's regime
President Assad was extremely unpopular with some Syrians.
women's rights
Question 19 of 30
Who joined forces with the Syrian government against rebels?
Both countries joined forces with the government, along with Hezbollah and the Lebanese Shiite Muslim party.
Question 20 of 30
Who has been able to operate in a wide swath of Syrian territory?
IS has been able to take control or operate in much of Syria.
Question 21 of 30
How many people are now registered as Syrian refugees?
2.3 million
3 million
4.8 million
A huge number of people have fled the country. There are 4.8 million people registered as refugees.
Question 22 of 30
What proportion of the population of Syria has been either fled or internally displaced by fighting?
a quarter of the population
half the population
About half of Syria's prewar population has been forced from their homes.
15 percent of the population
Question 23 of 30
Where have most of the refugees gone?
Nearby Turkey has taken in 2 million refugees.
Question 24 of 30
How many IS fighters are estimated to be in Syria?
IS has roughly 25,000 foreign fighters, most of whom are in Syria.
Question 25 of 30
Libya has two different groups that claim to be what?
the leading armies
the ruling government
They claim to be the ruling government. And hold on, because it gets more complicated.
the president's cabinet
Question 26 of 30
The General National Congress (GNC) in Libya was voted out of power but did what instead?
formed its own government in Tripoli, Libya
While the government was based in Tobruk, Libya, the GNC decided to transfer and gain power from Tripoli.
refused to leave
resigned first
Question 27 of 30
The rival Libyan government is called what?
House of Representatives
The House of Representative government is based in Tobruk.
Libyan Freedom Party
Question 28 of 30
The Libyan "Operation Dignity" called for …
dissolving the GNC
fighting Islamists
Gen. Khalifa Haftar, a former Gadhafi loyalist, leads the charge.
Question 29 of 30
To counter Operation Dignity, opponents formed a group called ...
Libya Unite
Libya Dawn
Some Islamists and militias united in Libya Dawn.
Libya Home
Question 30 of 30
How many Libyan people have been internally displaced in the fighting and political chaos?
about 10,000
about 435,000
About 435,000 people have been internally displaced. Keep in mind that scores of rebel and militia groups, including IS and Ansar al-Sharia, have also provoked turmoil and disorder in the country.
about one million


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NSLU2 and it's possiblities
The awesome little device from Cisco (fka Linksys) contains a ARM 133Mhz processor, consumes around 5 watt, has a 100Mb ethernet port and 2 USB ports.
Installing Debian
This tutorial is written for "Debian/NSLU2 (armel) 5.0 Stable Release" aka Lenny - http://www.slug-firmware.net/d-dls.php running on a NSLU2.
A. Using the GUI based method
If your NSLU2 contains the original firmware, or if it supports an upload function, this method applies to you.
- Connect the NSLU2 (Ethernet, Power, USB storage to port 2), turn it on.
- In Administration/(admin/admin)/Advanced/Disk format the storagedevice.
- Go to Upgrade mode and choose the new firmware (di-nslu2.bin) press install and wait about 5 minutes to complete the firmware replacement. After the upgrade is completed, the nslu2 will reboot itself.
Three beeps will confirm it is ready to install Debian 5.
A. Using the upslug2 method
If your NSLU2 contains a firmware release with no support to upload this method applies to you.
- Connect the NSLU2 (Ethernet, Power, No storage device plugged in yet).
- Use a paperclip and hold down the reset button, press the nslu2 on and wait till the yellow led turns orange. After that, immediately release the paperclip. If all is well, the led will flash alternately orange and green. Now the NSLU2 is in upgrade mode.
- Use upslug2 to upload the firmware to the nslu2
- upslug2 -d ixp0 -i di-nslu2.bin
NSLU2 00:1a:70:a1:b0:9e Product ID: 1 Protocol ID: 0 Firmware Version: R23V63 [0x2363] Upgrading LKGA1B09E 00:1a:70:a1:b0:9e
. original flash contents * packet timed out ! being erased - erased u being upgraded U upgraded v being verified V verified ---- Display: <status> <address completed>+<bytes transmitted but not completed> Status: * timeout occurred + sequence error detected ----- 56017f+000000 ...UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu--------------------
- After the firmware is flashed, it wil reboot itself
7fffff+000000 ...VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
Rebooting... done
Three beeps will confirm it is ready to install Debian 5.
B. Let's install debian
- Login to the NSLU2 using ssh email@example.com/install. Check you DHCP server for the correct IP address or use nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 to find it.
- The installation of debian will start automatically.
- The actual installation can take up to 4 hour (depending on the ftp location you have choosen). It took me about 1.5 hours.
- After the installation, the kernel will be written to the NSLU2 and it will reboot itself.
- Wait after rebooting a couple of minutes until the nslu2 is ready for action. Now login using ssh with your given credentials.
- One of the first commands to use is apt-get install ntpdate and ntpdate to set the correct date/time.
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Among those celebrating the launch will be Virgin Blue Chief Executive, Brett Godfrey and CEO of Tourism QLD Ian Mitchell, who will be getting into the spirit of the "Black tie and Board shorts" theme by dressing up in the appropriate attire.
The theme represents Virgin Blue's commitment to providing quality service to the tropical destination and emphasises the airline's excitement to be bringing its award winning service direct into Hamilton Island.
Virgin Blue Chief Executive, Brett Godfrey said, "Having just been named the world's best low fare carrier for the second year at the recent OAG Awards in London, we are excited to be entering yet another new domestic market that has a need for great service at affordable fares. This new route will complement our existing Proserpine flights making it even easier for Guests to enjoy a holiday on Hamilton Island itself or the equally beautiful surrounding islands such as Hayman, Club Med Lindeman and Daydream Islands"
Brett Godfrey continued, "While it's early days we are also pleased our f orward bookings for Hamilton Island flights are trending well and we believe it's a reflection on the popularity of the destination and the fact that people travelling to this region appreciate assigned leather seating, comfortable legroom and a range of optional extras that gives choice back to the traveller."
He added, " We will keep an eye on demand and look at additional route opportunities in and out of Hamilton Island if we determine the support warrants us to commit even more resources to the region."
Regional operators, tourism representatives and travellers have warmly welcomed Virgin Blue's arrival, along with Hamilton Island itself.
Hamilton Island's Managing Director, Wayne Kirkpatrick, said, "We're delighted that Virgin Blue has commenced services to Hamilton Island. Virgin Blue has become a successful carrier with a strong following and its services will give visitors to Hamilton Island, other island resorts and the mainland at Airlie Beach, the choice of various carriers. We're confident that the Virgin Blue services will be well supported. It's a very good airline."
The direct service into Hamilton Island from Brisbane will offer convenient connections to and from Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra, Perth, Darwin and New Zealand . One way fares from Brisbane start from $129* on the Internet.
Happy holidaymakers aren't the only ones set to benefit from Virgin Blue's new direct Hamilton Island flight, with the airline able to uplift three tonnes of freight in addition to a full passenger load. Virgin Blue recognises the importance of freight capabilities for ensuring the freshest supplies and timely delivery to island regions.
Flights into Hamilton Island are expected to bring in fresh produce for restaurants, flowers, mail, newspapers, medical supplies, band equipment, marine spare parts and other goods.
The late morning departure from Brisbane allows Virgin Blue to feed freight from every port in Australia into Hamilton Island overnight and goods from the region can be sent same day to all ports in Australia.
* Fares are one-way on the net, or $10 more by phone. A credit card surcharge of an additional $2 per person per one way flight is applicable. Fares are subject to availability and prices are subject to change. Fares are inclusive of all taxes, fees and charges.
For Virgin Blue bookings, log on to www.virginblue.com.au, phone our award winning Guest Contact Centre on 13 6789 or call a travel agent.