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Posted on 11/25/2012 10:46:52 AM PST by drewh
he Pentagon wins a Hammer for spending money earmarked for weapons and combat gear testing on jerky available at any grocery store UPDATED 7:17 AM EST, November 23, 2012 | BY Phillip Swarts
The Defense Department's Foreign Comparative Testing program is supposed to study weapons and combat technology and determine the appropriate gear for U.S. troops. That usually means testing body armor, batteries for battlefield electronics and mine-clearing systems.
But the program strayed from its normal work recently to study the culinary skill of turning thin strips of beef into jerky. The goal, officials say, was to make a beef jerky that was more like a Fruit Roll-Up -- tastier and cheaper -- than than the traditional grocery store fare.
The project, however, cost taxpayers $1.5 million and is unlikely to improve battlefield performance. And that has left some lawmakers in Congress incredulous that the money wasn't spent on something more essential, especially in an era of soaring deficits, fiscal cliffs and impending defense budget cuts.
"While our men and women in uniform certainly would welcome new menu options, these dollars could be better spent at this time when sequestration imposed by the Budget Control Act is set to cut billions of dollars from our national defense budget," said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who identified the program as an example of unnecessary spending at the Pentagon.
For doling out $1.5 million developing a snack that can be bought from the nearest grocery store, the Pentagon's Foreign Comparative Testing program wins this week's Golden Hammer, a distinction given out by the Washington Guardian to the worst examples of government misspending.
The Pentagon isn't apologetic, insisting its research into jerky is actually designed to save money. It's cheaper to produce than store-bought jerky and will store longer, possibly up to three years, the Army said. Plus, the military jerky is less salty and more nutritious to better meet troops' nutritional needs. A couple different flavors are being tested out, including salami, chipotle, turkey, smoked ham and fish.
"Warfighters like something that is meaty, tasty and healthy - a high energy product," said Tom Yang, an Army food scientist. "This will make a lot of product. It's very juicy, with whatever nutrient you want in there, and it will be well preserved."
Pentagon spokeswoman Lt. Col. Elizabeth Robbins said the nation's military is always working to save taxpayers money.
"The DoD budget is aligned to strategic priorities we have identified to keep America safe and maintain the strongest military in the world," she said. "Over the past several years we have redoubled our efforts to make better use of the taxpayer's defense dollar and meet our fiscal responsibilities."
I am sure there are jerky companies in this country that they could contract with. And they would probably make them whatever they want a heckuva lot cheaper.
I prefer t-bone jerky.
Since WE paid for this, I believe at the very least, we should get access to the recipe and methods they "developed".
Not for 1.5 million, thats chump change on federal contracts
It's mil-spec jerky. Must be radiation resistant.
Wouldn't it be more effective if they taught them
how to make their OWN jerky?
It'a not like it was hard or anything.
I don't want Jerky that tastes like a fruit roll-up.
Teriyaki Jerky is as far as I want to go.
This sounds ridiculous, but IMHO, it is actually a rational spend. You need high quality, high protein, high energy food for warfighters. And good food can help to bolster morale — it is often the ONLY good thing they have when in the ####.
As to just going commercial, you'd have to pick a supplier, test the jerky for longevity and nutrition content, verify security as the production facilities (one batch of poison introduced at an insecure facility could kill a LOT of troops), etc. And if the picked supplier did't meet specs, all that money would be wasted. Also, the chosen supplier would certainly be a political crony, not the top quality producer.
Short version: Good safe food is ESSENTIAL to warfighting, so spending money on it is indeed rational!
I don't know, Mango/posseum jerky doesn't sound too bad.
How about Guava/raccoon?
Habenenero/ Chupacabra?
Don't use bald eagle. It tastes fishy.
I suppose they would have to make some kind of
Halal version too.
Falafal/Goat Jerky?
Jeepers, they could have asked me for a recipe and been done with it:
Brown some extra-lean ground beef, toss in the blender along with some tomatoes and italian spices. Puree, dehydrate, voila! A beef jerky fruit roll-up that tastes like spaghetti sauce.
I will NEVER understand why the "jerkies" in the Pentagon can't take $1.7 Million and fill up a shopping cart at Walmart with all the stuff they think the troops want!
This is a "corporate culture" issue in the government that, as long as it is OPM and NOT coming out of their own pockets, they will spend whatever they want regardless how foolish.
Back in the 90s, HBO made a movie called "The Pentagon Wars". If you want to comprehend how relatively simple items become gargantuan money pits, find a copy of the movie and watch it . . . . . . . a-l-l t-h-e w-a-y t-h-r-o-u-g-h. It's VERY enlightening.
The American Indians came up with this thousands of years ago. It's called pemmican... very high energy pounded meat and fat combined with dried fruit, often blueberries. The indians would carry this along with dehydrated sweet corn when on the warpath.
Guava/raccooon is great but only if you add hot red pepper flakes.
How about Obama's favorite? Rice-covered hot dog??? /s
IIRC, back in the 90s the DoD came up with their own energy/power bar instead of using commercially available ones. They were called "Hooah! bars" or something like that, and (again, IIRC) meant for First Strike Rations and other lightweight meal kits.
I always thought it tasted more like a cross between spotted owl and California condor, but hey.....that's just me.
Next time just call Oak Brothers or Oma's Choice and the troops will thank you.
That will be 1.25 mil. Paypal?
Pentagon Spends WASTES $1.5 Million To Develop Its Own Jerky (that tastes like a Fruit Roll Up)
God forbid we do something nice for the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is the least we could do.
While at the same time contacting military retirees that further throat cutting is coming this next year and the victim will be military retirees.
"As to just going commercial..."
They did go commercial. They teamed up with FPL Foods for the development.
What did they develop? 'Continuous Osmotic Dehydration'.
The link above contains the second quote I have seen from this Yang guy, saying normal jerky is to salty...which makes me suspicious there is a 'Lets Move' component to this (and skepical the jerky tastes good at all).
Anyway, that's the $1.5 million voila moment. Instead of using salt to cure the meat, the meat is "...pulled through an osmotic solution [composed of sucrose/sodium chloride/water] that extracts moisture" (I'll ignore the fact that 'continuous osmotic dehydration' uses sodium chloride in its no salt breakthrough dehydration method).
BTW, the Army already uses jerky in its First Strike Rations...'The use of commercial off-the-shelf products like this is one of the ways development time of the FSR was lowered.':
So, unless this new jerky is remarkably cheaper, lighter, tastier...something, its just a classic case of a solution in search of a problem.
There is no telling what secret ingredient they wanted to test in this jerky.
I would assume that they want to get all the nutrion in as small a package as is possible to fit in the soldiers pack/gear.
Might also want to put some sort of turbo charger in it to increase strengh and endurance.
Tea Party people should be screaming about issues like this till we change the culture of washington. Who thinks that the defense Dept should be creating food products - send out to the industry a request for bids and for a variety of tastes. The same thing should be done till every dept is more effective rather than LARGER.
Basic Rule:
If you can find it in the Yellow Pages, government doesn't need to do it.
i'd like to know why this crap has not been stopped? What the heck is wrong with these folks? When does the crap stop?
Pork and little mf'ers jerky?
Beef and grease jerky¿?
Only the best c-rat flavors!
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Leicester Tigers picked up a 17-12 victory over Bath in a feisty Aviva Premiership fixture at Welford Road that produced three red cards.
Both kickers were guilty of missing early penalties but the visitors did eventually take the initiative as an incisive run from Nick Abendanon created the time and space for Stephen Donald, who deceived Adam Thompstone and Brett Deacon with a dummy and coasted over for the opening try.
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George Ford did finally find his kicking boots to get the home side on the scoreboard with a penalty early in the second half and, after Simon Taylor was sent to the sin bin, he edged his team in front with another long-range attempt.
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Banahan was given a red card for a nasty-looking high tackle that left Anthony Allen out cold for quite some time and Brett Deacon suffered the same fate for throwing a punch at the Bath centre in the aftermath.
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Amid it all, Ford slotted over another three points with the aid of the left-hand post to stretch the Tigers' lead and the severely depleted Bath outfit were never really likely to mount a comeback.
Both teams played some enterprising rugby despite the anarchy and ill-discipline of the first ever Premiership encounter to feature three red cards but Leicester held on to continue their excellent home record against their arch enemy.
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Try: Thompstone
Pen: Ford 4
Yellow card: Taylor (49 mins), Donald (65 mins)
Red card: B Deacon (64 mins)
For Bath:
Tries: Donald, Biggs
Con: Donald
Red card: Louw (57 mins), Banahan (64 mins)
Leicester: 15 Mathew Tait, 14 Niall Morris, 13 Matt Smith, 12 Anthony Allen, 11 Adam Thompstone, 10 George Ford, 9 Sam Harrison, 8 Thomas Waldrom, 7 Julian Salvi, 6 Brett Deacon, 5 Graham Kitchener, 4 Louis Deacon (c), 3 Martin Castrogiovanni, 2 George Chuter, 1 Marcos Ayerza.
Replacements: 16 Rob Hawkins, 17 Jonny Harris, 18 Fraser Balmain, 19 Ed Slater, 20 Jordan Crane, 21 Micky Young, 22 Dan Bowden, 23 Geordan Murphy.
Bath: 15 Nick Abendanon, 14 Kyle Eastmond, 13 Horacio Agulla, 12 Matt Banahan, 11 Tom Biggs, 10 Stephen Donald, 9 Michael Claassens, 8 Simon Taylor, 7 Guy Mercer, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Dave Attwood, 4 Stuart Hooper (c), 3 Anthony Perenise, 2 Lee Mears, 1 Paul James.
Replacements: 16 Brett Sharman, 17 Charlie Beech, 18 Kane Palma-Newport, 19 Dominic Day, 20 Josh Ovens, 21 Mark McMillan, 22 Tom Heathcote, 23 Jack Cuthbert.
Referee: Tim Wigglesworth
Assistant referees: Nigel Carrick, Alan Hughes
Timekeeper: Trevor Fisher
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Yesterday's performance by Donald Fehr and Gary Bettman might have been their best work ever.
Fehr was the perfect villain. With the players flanked behind him like loyal soldiers, Fehr spoke calmly, yet confidently and managed to convince those who were watching that a deal was imminent.
Numerous times he mentioned the NHLPA believed that they had an agreement on various touchy issues, like "make whole." He had many fans and media members convinced a deal was close. His words caught most off-guard, because they expected him to come to the podium and rip the NHL. He did no such thing.
You can't be a great villian in a soap opera without possessing the ability to convince people that your words are factual.
Fehr was brilliant.
He ended his first press conference by reiterating how close both sides were to a deal. When he walked away from the microphone you likely thought a deal would be brokered last night.
What happened next would have earned Fehr a nomination in the Daytime Emmy awards for outstanding lead actor in a drama series.
He walked away from the makeshift podium, with his players in unison behind him. The media rushed to interview the players, but within minutes they were being ushered back onto the stage. And now Fehr was once again in front of the microphone.
This was one of the best plot shifts I've seen in any drama series.
I was on air at the time, and watching it unfold on TV and on twitter was surreal. "What does this evil genius have up his sleeve," I said to myself. As you all know watching a soap opera alone and talking to the characters is a must.
And then Fehr dropped the hammer.
He informed the media and those watching at home that the league had rejected their offer, and then he uttered one of his more common lines, "It looks like this is not going to be resolved in the immediate future."
"Shut the front door," said no one because it is the worst line in the history of commercials, but within minutes Fehr had taken your stomach on a devastating rollercoaster ride. I swear I heard some of the media sobbing, but that might have just been pumped in sound to make it better television.
EIther way it was awesome.
Fehr babbled on for another few minutes and said, "Previously we didn't think we were nearly as far apart as the owners did, but I think it's clear now after the positions the players took today that there doesn't seem to be much room, certainly not unbridgeable room."
It was the most disingenuous press conference I've ever seen. It fit perfectly with this soap opera script that has become the NHL. The twitterverse exploded with the majority of fans blaming the NHL.
Fehr's plan had worked, or had it?
He should have just walked off the podium after his opening line of his encore performance, but he didn't. He spoke for another five minutes, and none of his comments grabbed at you like that opening line, and then he and the players left. Fans were stunned, some of them tweeted words they'd regret later, the media in attention were speechless, albeit for only seconds, but that's an eternity in a room of ink-stained wretches and talking heads. (Terms of endearment)
The only mistake NHL productions made was not ending the day with the Fehr cliffhanger. Could you imagine how crazy of a night it would have been if you had to wait until this afternoon to hear from Bettman. Of course the NHL isn't great at dragging out things, so I'm sure that never crossed their mind.
Within 45 minutes Bettman and Bill Daly arrived at the podium.
This was a tense moment. I turned up the TV to ensure I wouldn't miss one freakin syllable that emerged from the Count's mouth.
The usually stoic and composed Bettman was visibly rattled. He didn't hide his feelings, but instead he spoke with genuine emotion. He was almost trembling at times as he proceeded to blast Fehr for the next 26 minutes and 43 seconds. Yes Bettman and Daly spend almost 27 minutes expressing their frustration. And no one could take their eyes off of Bettman. This was his defining moment of the lockout. In those 27 minutes he managed to actually retrieve some sympathy for the hearts of fans.
You know you felt it. You know that for those 1600 seconds the man who has overseen three lockouts in the past 18 years, the man you despise, the man you think is ruining your game, got to you.
What a brilliant performance.
"That reminds me of the last time the players the players said we were close, and we were a billion dollars apart," he fumed. "I don't know why he (Fehr) did that … I find it almost incomprehensible that he did that."
Bettman exhaled and refocused. "I am disappointed beyond belief that we are where we are tonight, and we're going to have to take a deep breath and try to regroup."
He stayed on the podium until the media had no more questions. Never in the history of his tenure has Bettman outlasted the media's questions. Maybe he teamed up with @nhlpodium to win over the hearts of fans. Maybe last night Bettman used the Podium to earn your trust, and yesterday he used that to gain your sympathy.
What was even more perplexing was near the end of his marathon podium appearance he uttered words I thought I'd never hear.
"We could have more franchises in jeopardy if we make the wrong deal," he said. He actually admitted that some NHL franchises are in jeopardy.
Soap operas couldn't have written a better script. Bettman suggesting that his league wasn't in perfect harmony? Are you freaking kidding me? I still don't believe he uttered those words.
When Bettman took to the podium most believed he couldn't possibly match Fehr. But boy were we wrong. He was intense, almost human-like and not only did he put the momentum back in the owner's pockets, he also stole Fehr's outstanding lead actor in a drama series award.
When he was done it wasn't close in the eyes of some fans. These are just a few of the tweets I received after his award-winning performance.
@JamieWright03: At the end of the day, I think he's endeared himself to Canadian hockey fans today, Fehr did not. #attaboyGary
@Moosewacker: I think Gary actually cares about the game. Can't say the same for Fehr at all
@CollinCapone: I liked the passion and fight he showed. Players gonna regret it. @Branaka14: Never been a huge Bettmen guy but he made a ton of good points and killed it in that presser. Made Fehr look really bad
Clearly, you can never Count... Gary out. (That was for you, Gene Principe)
Honestly, with this soap opera it is impossible to know. It is safe to say that Bettman will cancel games up to the end of December very soon. The NHL loves to make these announcements on Fridays so it could happen today. You haven't seen the final offer either. All I know is that we are 36 days from the unofficial deadline of January 11th. Bettman wouldn't give a set "drop dead" date when he was asked about one, but he did say, ""We played 48 games in 1995. I can't imagine wanting to play fewer than that."
I thought Scottie Upshall's tweet was very telling.
@ScottieUpshall: There's no pressure yet on the owners to lose this year, that's why they still treat us like Cattle. They'll need a partner come January.
The NHLPA still believes the NHL will come back with a better offer. We'll see.
All I know is that this lockout has become the sportsfan's soap opera. As painful and as predictable as it is, we can't look away.
Yesterday we raised another $1,900 for the Santas Anonymous. Big thanks to Jason for his generous bid on the Rush VIP Package.
Today's package includes...
- A signed Ryan Nugent-Hopkins blue and orange jersey.
- The jersey will be framed courtesy of proamsports.ca
- A party for 10 at the Pint.
- A pair of gold seats to Oilers game in 2013.
- Hockey Refresher
- Hall sees specialist
- Owners and players go face-to-face
- Month of Giving
- Catching up with Jordan Eberle
- Roenick stops by.
- NHL has 47 days to make a deal.
- What if...Looking back at 2004 lockout.
December 07 2012, 10:32PM
During the last lockout the NHLPA did say they didn't believe teams were losing money. When the NHL, the media, ForbesN common sense, any way you do the math, the constant search for Owners for teams, bankruptcies, no proof that they do make money, common sense and every source says there are teams losing money, it's safe to say it's true. I haven't seen Wayne Gretzky's birth certificate either. Should I question if he's Canadian?
You're over simifying and you know it. I've already said the NHL itself isn't a trustworthy source. The media? You should know what's wrong with saying that. And Forbes for example doesn't always look at the whole picture. I think it was Gregor who was talking about how say the Florida panthers as a team might "lose money" but their parent company who gets other revenue from non hockey nights makes money and they wouldn't without the panthers as a anchor tenant.
It's like stats Canada saying consumption of soft drinks is going down but only counting cans and bottles of pop and not fountain pop.... You can't just take things at face value all the time.
Sure some teams lose money but at the same time there's more to things then we are all privy to. I just hate everyone citing some stuff like they have some inside knowledge that gives them a complete picture then using that to create some argument. It's asinine.
@The Beaker
You're being obtuse and you know it. You're saying that despite everyone agreeing except the conspiracy theorists isn't the basis for an argument. Waiting for an absolute truth is asinine. The theory of gravity could be disproved tomorrow.
I also hate the "parent company" argument. Say you have a Walmart with a McDonalds in it. The Walmart (anchor tenant) loses money but the McDonalds makes the whole profitable. The McDonalds requires the Walmart to exist. Your argument is that the Walmart employees should make more despite their department losing money. That's really asinine.
December 07 2012, 11:17PM
Absolutely not, I don't know what you mean by "everyone agreeing" I never ever said there arent teams that are losing money, of course there are. I just said there's way more to the story then just that. And I said I don't believe 20 teams are losing money. There's too much general rhetoric about the game growing and being successful for that to be taken at face value. You're just cherry picking some general ideas and saying well that must be the whole truth.
And the parent company thing has merit. I used to work for a company which the owners owned a related company manufacturing things the other company sold. They sold that product for artificially low prices to the second store and then sold then for large profit at the other store just so they could say the first company took loses every year for the tax benefits.
So looking at the panthers as one example if they lose money and get all sorts of tax benefits from operating at a loss but their parent company makes money they wouldn't ever make without having the panthers then you cannot desperate the two and say they don't affect each other.
All I'm saying is there's more to the story than you and I know and to pretend you know more because its "common sense" is just stupid. Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.
December 07 2012, 11:27PM
No deal.......surprise surprise! The NHLPA I will only make a deal when the season is on the line, with a deadline date cast in stone.
Fear is brilliant in hearding his dysfunctional cast of privileged players into saying the same thing.........but things are about to change. I'm sure more players are starting to think Roman Hamarlik was right along, you can't expect the deal to keep getting better with half the season gone.
No common sense in the NHLPA........these guys live in a parallel universe.
Hey Ramalama- you can cast in iron. You can cast in bronze. You can cast a broken bone. You can even cast the first stone. But you can't cast in stone.
December 07 2012, 11:39PM
Have to say I am for the owners and have been for a looonng time now. The players are only employees and very well paid ones at that and will still be when this mess is over. They need to shut up and take what's offered to them cause I am certain it will NOT get any better then this last offer.
December 07 2012, 11:44PM
Also, when did I say the players should get more?? This is beginning to be a problem, people just making things up because someone else maybe one day stated a similar position so I must say the sane things?
I'm just saying font always just buy into PR at face value. Anytime any corporation or business or important person lets such information out like this publicly it's to forward an idea they would like everyone to believe, it doesn't have to be 100% of the truth. I never said there wasn't truth to the ideas you have said, just that there might be more to it and if you don't recognize that then you are being "obtuse".
You're being obtuse and you know it. You're saying that despite everyone agreeing except the conspiracy theorists isn't the basis for an argument. Waiting for an absolute truth is asinine. The theory of gravity could be disproved tomorrow.
I also hate the "parent company" argument. Say you have a Walmart with a McDonalds in it. The Walmart (anchor tenant) loses money but the McDonalds makes the whole profitable. The McDonalds requires the Walmart to exist. Your argument is that the Walmart employees should make more despite their department losing money. That's really asinine.
even the business world isn't cut and dry as "your department isn't making money therefore we should be paying you less". Geologists don't make oil companies any money and typically cost oil companies millions of dollars in salary, supplies and equipment rentals; however, without them the Oil companies wouldn't be able to find hydrocarbon to fuel your big pickup truck and gouge you at the pumps.
Also, NHL franchises can make a lot of money that doesn't qualify as HRR, and therefore doesn't have to be presented to the NHLPA, but wouldn't exist without the players.
You say the players are being greedy, but in fact the franchises are colluding to limit the earning potential of the players (i.e. salary cap, it's like being told that you're not allowed to make anymore as an accountant, anywhere in North America, ever).
I don't like either side, but the players aren't the ones who decided to stop hockey, and as a fan that's all that really matters right now.
Ya, you are 100% right Gregor, first I was making plans to drive to Edmonton for the home opener (which I swore I wouldn't do, but who doesn't wanna see the kids in action). Then, man was I mad, but after Betman ( how I have hated him) spoke, he had me, still does. Fehr should have put it to a vote. Then the idiotic tweets from some players, like you guys really want my sympathy? Really? Come work with me for a week before you babies bitch about being treated like cattle. Give me a break.
how sweet would it be if all the arenas were empty when they get back playing?
The players are the meal.
I am not using this as a restaurant analogy, I am using this as the players coming to a home built by the owners, buying the ingredients, preparing the meals, etc. Inviting them to the table to eat after they provide everything. Players just have to bring their appetites and they are taken care of.
December 08 2012, 11:35AM
Hey Ramalama- you can cast in iron. You can cast in bronze. You can cast a broken bone. You can even cast the first stone. But you can't cast in stone.
What exactly is your point?
Sorry I don't agree with any sympathy for Bettman . He is a representing billionaire owners who keep taking back . Look at other sports around the world but in north america players are treated baddly . I think of it as if I had a son good enough to play pro and 80% to 90% of those kids are dictated to from day 1 .The stars get what they deserve but all the rest are treated like cattle . As much as nobody enjoys "no games" I totally understand not wanting a 10 year deal.Meanwhile i'm enjoying other sports on TV , going to the racetrack & junior hockey more often . Actually getting in a groove and may not give NHL owners like Katz any more of my money .


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Could and Should the Canucks Get Involved in the Letang Sweepstakes?
Thomas Drance
June 28 2013 11:37AM
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Reading over Rob Rossi's excellent reporting over the past few days, it's really not too difficult to make out the writing on the wall. Kris Letang and the Pittsburgh Penguins have fundamental differences regarding Letang's value and with Letang rejecting an eight year, fifty-four million dollar contract extension offer from the Penguins on Thursday night, a separation seems nigh.
According to Rossi the Penguins would prefer to send Kris Letang to the Western Conference and are particularly enamored by "prospects with Anaheim and Vancouver" according to Rossi's sources. Wha?
The Canucks are dealing with a critical scarcity of salary cap-space at the moment, and would need to essentially move heaven and earth to fit Kris Letang under the cap (and then do so again to fit his theoretically lucrative extension, which would kick in a season from now). Is acquiring Letang worth the cost in treasure and cap-space? Would he represent enough of an upgrade over the likes of Edler, Garrison, Bieksa and Hamhuis to warrant the Canucks blowing up their hard won "internal cap" for defenceman?
Let's look into it.
Why Kris Letang Makes Sense in Vancouver...
Kris Letang was a Norris nominee this past season, and richly deserved it. While Letang doesn't face the "toughest competition" in Pittsburgh according to our preferred "quality of competition" metrics, he does play in all situations and led all Pittsburgh blue-liners in time-on-ice per game a year ago (and for the last three seasons).
Most importantly, when Letang is on the ice the Penguins are significantly better than they are without him. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that "without Letang Pittsburgh will cease to be an elite offensive team," but I would probably describe Letang's presence as the nitrous which boosts the Penguins offensive engine into overdrive.
Consider Letang's large sample with or without you numbers, for example. Since 2008-09, Kris Letang has spent 1272 even-strength minutes on the ice with Sidney Crosby and close to 1291 minutes with Evgeni Malkin. In Letang's 1272 minutes with Sid, the Penguins have outscored opponents by nearly two goals per sixty minutes while controling north of 56% of all attempted shots. When Sidney Crosby is on the ice without Letang the Penguins score nearly a goal fewer per sixty minutes, outscore their opponents by 1.4 goals per sixty minutes, and control 52% of shot attempts.
In other, simpler words: the Penguins are still an elite team with Crosby on the ice without Letang, but the Penguins are completely dominant when they're playing together. Letang, I'd mention, has a similar impact on Evgeni Malkin's production and possession numbers.
Looking over the relationship between Henrik Sedin's production and the ice-time he's spent with specific defenceman over the past five seasons, the only player who comes close to impacting his numbers similarly is Christian Ehrhoff. That fact should not particularly surprising.
In close to 1000 even-strength minutes between 2008-2013, the Canucks outscored their opponents by 2.66 goals per sixty minutes with both Ehrhoff and Henrik on the ice together (a ridiculous number) and controlled 58% of all shot attempts (also ridiculous, albeit zone-start inflated). With Henrik on the ice without Ehrhoff over that span (a larger sample that nears 4500 minutes) the Canucks have out-scored opponents by less than half of that, while controling 56% of all shot attempts.
So Ehrhoff's impact on the Canucks offense from 2009-2011 was similar to Letang's in Pittsburgh over the past five seasons, except that Letang's numbers without Crosby are stronger than Ehrhoff's without Henrik (in part that's due to team effects and Ehrhoff playing on an awful Sabres club for two season accounted for by our sample). In other words, Kris Letang is a high-end version of Christian Ehrhoff who also excels in the shootout and has a right-handed shot for the power-play. Sounds pretty neat, eh?
Kris Letang is an elite offensive defenceman in the National Hockey League, and pairing him with a player like Jason Garrison, Alex Edler or Dan Hamhuis would be a tantalizing prospect. He'd also immediately fix Vancouver's right-handed shooters on the power-play issue, and arguably give the Canucks their first elite 1A defenceman in franchise history.
Stats in this section taken from stats.hockeyanalysis.com .
Why Kris Letang Makes No Sense in Vancouver...
Vancouver's top-four group of Bieksa, Garrison, Hamhuis and Edler is rock solid, and all of those players are on deals worth five million or less against the salary cap. Adding Letang for upwards of seven million per season just doesn't seem like an efficient allocation of resources unless you're moving one of those four players in a trade.
Kris Letang is a pretty clear upgrade on Alex Edler, in my view, but in terms of marginal utility Edler is 90% of the player that Letang is and has way more physical upside. Oh yeah, and by the time Letang's contract extension is signed Edler will cost the Canucks only 66% as much against the salary cap. The marginal value just isn't there for the Canucks, especially when you factor in the cost in assets that it will take to outbid the likes of Edmonton and Anaheim for Letang's services (probably a player, a prospect and a first rounder).
As good as Kris Letang is - and I think he's exceptionally good - he's not a third-line centre or a scoring winger. Those remain the club's two biggest areas of need this summer, and that's where the Canucks need to focus their scant resources.
Letang is an elite offensive defenceman, and his presence could certainly hurt the Canucks if he's shipped out to a conference rival like Edmonton or Anaheim. However, with the way this Canucks team is built currently, Kris Letang would be, I don't want to say redundant because Letang is a unique player, but somewhat superfluous.
The Canucks don't appear to have the cap-space necessary to swing a mega deal for a Kris Letang-type (unless Pittsburgh's buying on Luongo, which, yeah right). Anyway even if they did, they have more pressing concerns than adding another top-four defenceman - even one as dynamic as Kris Letang.
June 29 2013, 12:24AM
Would Pittsburgh consider a Luongo and Edler for Letang and Fleury?
June 28 2013, 12:11PM
For that kind of money that he is seeking, I would rather have Shea Weber on our team as a true 1A Defenceman and shut-down guy. Weber paired with Edler could just be the dream combo of first D-pairs; with top defensive and offensive quality combined!
Of course, if Pittsburgh is willing to trade Letang for Luongo, Ballard and a prospect, I think the Canucks should do it. Then they can flip Letang for some other player.
if in a crazy way this deal would happen wouldn't it be better to make letang a winger since the D is deep and the forwards aren't so much
why are you guys calling Letang or Weber a 1A d-man? they would both clearly be #1 here and it's not even close.
June 28 2013, 12:33PM
I see Letang as an upgrade on Ehrhoff - high offensive ability, would most likely help the Sedins and the PP, but a bit weak defensively and would definitely need to be paired with a responsible shut-down partner.
Worth the price to acquire him, and then after signing him, the money and cap hit? Doubtful on all three counts. There are going to be a lot of regretful GMs in a few years with the monster contracts that are going to go to Letang, Bickell, Clarkson, etc. I hope Vancouver stays far, far away from those guys.
I assume the Canucks would only give up the assets needed to acquire Letang if they were assured he would sign a contract extension.
For argument's sake, let's say he accepts 8/60 to play in Van City. The cap appears to be going up again in 2014-2015, though Hank and Danny will likely need raises assuming they stay in Vancouver.
If Pittsburgh is actually interested in trading with Vancouver, I have to believe Edler would be the asking price.
A poo poo platter of our prospects isn't anywhere near enough.
So, would the Canucks be better with Edler at 6/30 over Letang at 1/3.5 followed by 7/60?
If we consider Letang to be a better defenseman than Edler while also giving the team a nice balance of left and right shot defenseman, it might make sense.
As for the defenseman cap structure, who cares? The Canucks don't have a young impact defenseman that needs to be locked up in the near future. That would be the only reason to care about the structure.
Because nobody talks about #1, #2, #3 etc. dmen, they talk about 1st pairing, 2nd pairing, 3rd pairing, i.e., the 1 in 1A is not a ranking among dmen, but refers to the 1st pairing. The Canucks arguably have more than one 1st pairing quality dman, but none of them really should be headlining the 1st pairing.
but Letang and Weber surely would headline the 1st pairing and would log the biggest amount of ice time. numbering comes from the amount of ice time logged relative to the rest of the team, and Weber and Letang clearly would be #1's on any team, especially the canucks.
As a rental he makes sense. I just can't see us being anxious to get back into major cap trouble resigning him. He didn't overly impress me against Boston, but then a lot of Pens fall into that boat. Still for the cost, a lot of money plus an asset, we could better spend where we desperately need the help...up front.
Great breakdown as always TD -glad you came around on Ehrhoff its a strong comparison --unfortunately your argument hinges on a claim "Edler IS 90 % the D of KL- how do you supportvthis claim? --All my research shows that Edler does not sig. Drives possession % stats-- in addition Edler IS at best average def.- So by a rough comparision KL IS clearly better off. And better d and inferior physically and perhaps equal on PP -it would take a while to prove BUT Edler is T best a c+ or approx 65% the d that KL -IS SO its IMJ - a push with rightanded factor AND sybergy of imp.with Sedins making it a good move! --
June 29 2013, 12:17AM
Chris Tanev
"The cap appears to be going up again in 2014-2015, though Hank and Danny will likely need raises assuming they stay in Vancouver."
Really? With declining production and the team not exactly in the best position cap-wise, I should certainly hope not. What they've done is great, but you can't go handing out contracts for past performance. Looking at their comparables on cap geek, it's not as if they're some steal of a price anymore. Maybe during the art ross years, but those feel like they're a long time ago. I don't expect them to get back to 90-100 points/year, that's for sure.
Agreed, unless they go to separate teams, I don't see the Sedins getting raises either. I can't see any team committing more than $12 million/season for two 34 year old forwards.
Why wouldn't PIT be interested in Luongo? Fluery seems like he's taken 3 steps backwards, and does Voukon actually have the ability to play all the games for them? I'd wager they could use an upgrade
Chris Tanev
Haha good one.
The cap is much higher now than when the Sedins signed their soon-to-expire 5 year deals.
Yes they are getting older and their production will decline. It doesn't mean they are going to take paycuts considering the market for first line forwards.
I'm not saying it will work out well for Vancouver. But what is the alternative? Rebuilding altogether?


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Darth Maul
A deadly, agile Sith Lord trained by the evil Darth Sidious, Darth Maul was a formidable warrior and scheming mastermind. He wielded an intimidating double-bladed lightsaber and fought with a menacing ferocity. Though he fell in battle against Obi-Wan Kenobi, the Zabrak from Dathomir would prove to be much harder to destroy than originally believed.
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Darth Maul longed for revenge against the Jedi. He was finally unleashed by his Master, Darth Sidious, in an assassination attempt on Queen Amidala on the outskirts of Tatooine. He battled briefly with Qui-Gon Jinn, the Queen's Jedi escort, but could not reach his target. Later, Maul waited for Amidala on Naboo, where he dueled with Qui-Gon and his apprentice, Obi-Wan Kenobi. The Sith fought with blinding speed and impressive agility, and stabbed Jinn through with his red double-bladed lightsaber; he would prove unable to best Obi-Wan, however. The young Jedi, in a surprising move, cut Maul in two and sent him tumbling down the planet core, seemingly destroyed.
Thought dead, Darth Maul survived his injuries by focusing on his hatred of Obi-Wan Kenobi, the Jedi who cut him in half. His shattered body was dumped amid the refuse of the junk planet Lotho Minor, where the once deadly warrior fell into madness, staying alive on a diet of vermin. When found by his brother Savage Opress, Maul had no memory of who he was, rambled nonsensically, and had built hideous spider-like legs in place of his severed ones.
Opress brought Maul back to his homeworld of Dathomir, where the Nightsister Mother Talzin used dark magicks to restore the fallen Sith's mind and body. Maul reemerged, took Opress as his apprentice, and became obsessed with Kenobi. He and his brother began terrorizing worlds and allied with Death Watch, Black Sun, and the Pyke syndicate to form the Shadow Collective, a group which took over Mandalore. This led to Maul's battle with Death Watch leader Pre Vizsla, who he dispatched violently and without mercy to assume total control of the planet. Throughout this time, Maul dueled Obi-Wan Kenobi on numerous occasions, and in an act of pure hatred, killed Obi-Wan's former love, Duchess Satine Kryze. His revenge would prove double-edged, however, as the act created a dark side ripple sensed by his former Master, Darth Sidious. Sidious came to Mandalore where he declared the Zabrak brothers to be his rivals. The Sith Master killed Savage Opress and took Maul captive -- but not before joyfully torturing his old apprentice with Force lightning.
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Emperor Palpatine / Darth Sidious
Scheming, powerful, and evil to the core, Darth Sidious restored the Sith and destroyed the Jedi Order. Living a double life, Sidious was in fact Palpatine, a Naboo Senator and phantom menace. He slowly manipulated the political system of the Galactic Republic until he was named Supreme Chancellor -- and eventually Emperor -- ruling the galaxy through fear and tyranny.
Qui-Gon Jinn
A venerable if maverick Jedi Master, Qui-Gon Jinn was a student of the living Force. Qui-Gon lived for the moment, espousing a philosophy of "feel, don't think -- use your instincts." On Tatooine, Qui-Gon discovered a young slave boy named Anakin Skywalker who was strong in the Force. Sensing the boy's potential, Qui-Gon liberated Anakin from slavery. The Jedi Master presented Anakin to the Jedi Council, but they deemed the boy too old to begin training and dangerously full of fear and anger. They refused to allow Qui-Gon to train Anakin, but rescinded their decision to fulfill Qui-Gon's dying wish.
Savage Opress
Savage Opress was once a common Nightbrother whose fighting prowess impressed Asajj Ventress. Transformed into a monstrous warrior by Mother Talzin, Opress became Count Dooku's new assassin and secret Sith apprentice. His loyalty, however, remained to Talzin. The Nightsisters leader gave Savage a new quest: to find his brother, Darth Maul, who had somehow survived his apparent death and was living in exile in the Outer Rim. Savage located Maul and became his brother's enforcer in the Shadow Collective, but died when Darth Sidious confronted the two Sith warriors on Mandalore.
Mother Talzin
Mother Talzin, the spiritual guide of Dathomir's Nightsisters during the Clone Wars, held enormous power on her homeworld and wielded the strange magicks of the Nightsisters. She sold the services of the Nightsisters to the galaxy's wealthy and powerful, but wasn't above backstabbing any clients who treated her clan with disrespect. She sought revenge against Count Dooku and his master, Darth Sidious. Dooku had betrayed the Nightsister Asajj Ventress, but his crimes paled in comparison with Sidious's. Long before the Clone Wars, Sidious had promised to make Talzin his right hand, only to renege on his promise and steal her son, Darth Maul, to train as his apprentice.
Lotho Minor
Known also as the Junk World, Lotho Minor is one of the galaxy's dumping grounds. The surface of the planet is covered with refuse, piled over countless generations so that enormous heaps of trash stand as tall as mountains. As the ancient maxim goes, one being's refuse is another's treasure: salvage operations dig through the planet-wide junkyard, looking to reclaim and recondition reusable or obsolete machinery. Huge pools of toxic sludge and the periodic bursts of acid rain make the ruined ecosystem one of the most dangerous in the galaxy.
Morley believed in self-preservation. As a serpentine Anacondan eking out a life on the junk planet of Lotho Minor, Morley needed cunning to survive. He would do anything to survive, including cutting a deal with a devilish outcast. When Savage Opress arrived on Lotho Minor, Morley served as his slithering guide through the numerous dangers of the garbage planet, leading the dark warrior to his long-lost brother.


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But first... did you catch the awesome collection of Halloween Ideas I posted over the weekend? Don't miss it. There are so many amazing ideas out there.
I am sorry I don't have any features today (I'll have double the features next week). I am enjoying a holiday on the beaches in Thailand with my family! Definitely a perk to living on this side of the globe!
I can't wait to see what you've all been up to this week!
That's it! Have fun, and thanks so much for participating!


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We didn't have one yet on the new board.
Last night's episode was really cute. The jokes were really clever (the "LISA"-"ILSA" thing; applauding for words that have been removed from the dictionary in the past year, "San Francisco People Mover", etc.) The best thing about it was that it really had heart. It's been a while since there was a Homer-Lisa episode, but this was a good one. Normally when I watch the show, even if I'm laughing at the jokes, I'm grumbling about how the characters are acting out of character or the pacing of the episode was weird, but this one I just had a big smile on my face. It seemed like a season 3 or season 4 episode.
And that was the real Sunday New York Times crossword puzzle for this week at the end, which is neat.


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As a patient at Staten Island University Hospital, you or your health insurance plan will receive two types of bills: hospital bills and physician bills. The hospital bill includes your Daily Room and Board Charge, which covers the cost of your room, meals, nursing, day-to-day operating costs and, where applicable, a private room surcharge.
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1. What is a deductible?
A deductible is a set dollar amount such as $250 or $500 which you must pay before your insurance plan will begin reimbursement for your hospital charges. A deductible can be set for either an individual or an entire family.
2. What is a co-pay?
A co-payment is a type of cost sharing whereby the insured person typically pays a specified flat amount per unit of service or unit of time (e.g. $25 per visit, $50 per inpatient hospital stay, or $75 per emergency room visit) with the insurance plan paying the balance.
3. What is co-insurance?
Co-insurance is the portion of your healthcare expense not covered by insurance. A co-insurance is usually a percentage, such as 10% or 20%. For example, on a $500 bill, your deductible might be $150, so you would have to pay the first $150. This leaves a balance of $350. Of the $350, your co-insurance might be 20%, which means you will have to pay an additional $70. Your insurance will pay the remaining $280.
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Dirk Nowitzki
News about Dirk Nowitzki, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.
Chronology of Coverage
Jul. 5, 2016
Dallas Mavericks and forward Dirk Nowitzki reportedly reach two-year, $40 million contract agreement; other basketball news noted. MORE
Oct. 22, 2011
Dallas Mavericks star forward Dirk Nowitzki will throw out ceremonial first pitch in Game 3 of World Series between Texas Rangers and St Louis Cardinals. MORE
Jun. 14, 2011
Harvey Araton On Basketball column on lessons Miami Heat forward LeBron James could learn from victorious Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki. MORE
Jun. 13, 2011
William C Rhoden Sports of The Times column on longtime NBA veterans Jason Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki finally being part of a championship team with the Dallas Mavericks Game 6 victory over Miami Heat to win the title. MORE
Jun. 13, 2011
Dallas Mavericks defeat Miami Heat, 105-95, in Game 6 to win NBA Finals, 4-2; Dallas guard Jason Terry leads victory with hot shooting, while star forward Dirk Nowitzki wins series MVP award. MORE
Jun. 13, 2011
Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki's leadership and late scoring in his MVP performance against the Miami Heat in NBA Finals victory silences critics who previously questioned his ability to win a championship. MORE
Jun. 12, 2011
Miami Heat guard Dwyane Wade finds himself on the defensive before Game 6 of the NBA Finals with the Dallas Mavericks over a video clip of him and teammate LeBron James appearing to mock the Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki, who helped Dallas tie the series with clutch performances while playing with a 101-fever and sinus infection. MORE
Jun. 11, 2011
Dallas Mavericks star forward Dirk Nowitzki's strong fourth-quarter scoring during NBA finals against the Miami Heat exposes the Heat's defensive gaps and likely will earn him series MVP honors; Nowitzki is averaging 27 points in the finals, and has a total of 52 points in the fourth quarter. MORE
Jun. 10, 2011
Harvey Araton Off the Dribble column suggests that with his play in the NBA finals, Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki has put to rest the stereotype that European players are soft. MORE
Jun. 2, 2011
Dallas Mavericks power forward Dirk Nowitzki will play Game 2 of NBA Finals with torn tendon in middle finger, which he suffered in Game 1 loss to Miami Heat. MORE
May. 31, 2011
Preview of NBA Finals between Miami Heat and Dallas Mavericks compares career paths of Heat forward LeBron James and Mavericks center Dirk Nowitzki. MORE
May. 24, 2011
Dallas Mavericks defeat Oklahoma City Thunder, 112-105, in overtime, to take 3-1 series lead in NBA Western Conference finals; Dallas forward Dirk Nowitzki's stellar play keys a 15-2 run in final five minutes that carries team through extra period. MORE
May. 19, 2011
Underappreciated Dallas Mavericks and center Dirk Nowitzki hold a 1-0 lead over Oklahoma City Thunder in their Western Conference finals playoff series, just three games away from advancing from the NBA finals. MORE
May. 18, 2011
Dallas Mavericks defeat Oklahoma City Thunder, 121-112, in opener of NBA Western Conference finals; Mavericks center Dirk Nowitzki shoots a record 24-of-24 from foul line. MORE
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With His Idol Looking On, Kristaps Porzingis Shines in a Knicks Win
With Dallas's Dirk Nowitzki on the sideline with an injury, Porzingis scored 24 points and grabbed 11 rebounds as the Knicks dispatched the Mavericks.
November 14, 2016, Monday
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Dirk Nowitzki and Mavericks Reportedly Reach Two-Year Agreement
Nowitzki will have a chance to spend 20 seasons with the Dallas Mavericks, the only franchise he has ever played for.
July 5, 2016, Tuesday
MORE ON DIRK NOWITZKI AND: Basketball , Dallas Mavericks , Nowitzki, Dirk
Dirk Nowitzki Moves Up Scoring List and Downs the Nets
The Dallas Mavericks earned a 119-118 road victory over the Nets on Wednesday night, which marked Dirk Nowitzki's move into sixth place on the N.B.A.'s career scoring list.
December 24, 2015, Thursday
MORE ON DIRK NOWITZKI AND: Basketball , Nowitzki, Dirk , Dallas Mavericks , Brooklyn Nets
Kristaps Porzingis Evokes Dirk Nowitzki but Can't Beat the Real Thing
The Knicks' Porzingis, who has often been compared to the Mavericks' Nowitzki, faced him for the first time and played well, scoring 28 points, but Dallas prevailed.
December 8, 2015, Tuesday
MORE ON DIRK NOWITZKI AND: Basketball , Porzingis, Kristaps (1995- ) , Nowitzki, Dirk , Cuban, Mark , Dallas Mavericks , New York Knicks
Mavericks Top 76ers
Dirk Nowitzki scored 21 points in Dallas's road win.
November 17, 2015, Tuesday
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Iceland Tests Dirk Nowitzki and Germany
Nowitzki and Dennis Schroeder scored 15 points each to lead Germany to a surprisingly close 71-65 victory over Iceland in Berlin at the start of the European basketball championship.
September 6, 2015, Sunday
MORE ON DIRK NOWITZKI AND: Basketball , Nowitzki, Dirk , Germany , Iceland
A Litmus Test for the Golden State Warriors, a Sure Thing
The Warriors have a chance to tie a record for the second-most regular-season wins in N.B.A. history, and past teams with comparable records have tended to win titles.
April 5, 2015, Sunday
MORE ON DIRK NOWITZKI AND: Basketball , Kerr, Steve , Cleveland Cavaliers , James, LeBron , Dallas Mavericks , Nowitzki, Dirk , Golden State Warriors
N.B.A. Game of the Week: Spurs at Mavericks
San Antonio and Dallas are barely separated in the standings, but the Spurs are playing their best basketball of the season, and the Mavericks are still trying to adjust to roster changes.
March 23, 2015, Monday
MORE ON DIRK NOWITZKI AND: Basketball , San Antonio Spurs , Dallas Mavericks , Parker, Tony , Popovich, Gregg , Carlisle, Rick , Nowitzki, Dirk , Rondo, Rajon
In N.B.A. All-Star Game, Pizazz Returns to Garden, and West Stars Shoot Their Way to a Win
In a leisurely game that grew mildly competitive only in the final minutes, the Western Conference beat the Eastern Conference, 163-158, in front of a well-dressed, sellout crowd.
February 16, 2015, Monday
MORE ON DIRK NOWITZKI AND: Basketball , All Star Games , Madison Square Garden , National Basketball Assn , Anthony, Carmelo , Westbrook, Russell , James, LeBron , Curry, Stephen , Nowitzki, Dirk , New York City , Barclays Center (Brooklyn, NY)
Nets Make It Interesting but Wither in Overtime
The Nets made 16 shots in the first quarter and only 16 more in the rest of regulationen route to a 96-88 overtime loss to the Mavericks.
January 6, 2015, Tuesday
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The 3.5 RL is powered by an all-aluminum, 3.5-liter, single-overhead-camshaft, 90-degree V-6 engine that produces 225 horsepower at 5200 rpm and 231 lb.-ft. of torque at 4700 rpm. Four-valves-per-cylinder, a three-stage variable induction system, a sophisticated PGM-FI fuel-injection system, a variable silencer and an advanced air intake help to provide both high torque at lower engine speeds and excellent breathing at higher engine speeds. The 3.5 RL meets LEV (Low Emission Vehicle) standards. It is also designed to run for 105,000 miles before its first scheduled tune-up.
The engine is located longitudinally, moving weight to the rear of the car for the 60/40 weight distribution deemed optimum for a front-wheel-drive sedan. The longitudinal mounting also yields reductions in noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH), because it allows the use of softer, optimally positioned engine and transmission mounts.
An electronically controlled, 4-speed automatic transmission, with Grade Logic Control is standard on every 3.5 RL.
The block of the RL engine is made of cast aluminum with cast-in iron cylinder liners, a design emphasizing light weight, rigidity, and outstanding long-term durability. Designed with deep skirts and extensive webbing for added rigidity, the crankcase minimizes noise and vibration. The RL engine, a slightly undersquare design with a bore of 90.0 mm and a stroke of 91.0 mm, yields a displacement of 3474 cc.
The generous main bearing journal supports add rigidity and significantly reduce vibration in the 300-to-800 Hz range. By optimizing stiffness, the resonant frequency of the engine block is an impressive 20 Hz -- meaning that this engine transmits very little vibration through the rest of the vehicle.
The rotating balance shaft, mounted to the right side of the engine block, further reduces vibration transmitted to the passenger cabin. The belt-driven balancer counteracts the rocking tendency inherent in 90-degree V-6 designs.
To reduce friction and enhance durability, the forged steel crankshaft is microfinished, an extremely precise finishing process developed originally for the Honda Formula One engine program. The sophisticated metallurgy of the main bearings is another benefit gained from the Honda Formula One program. The surface of the bearings has a unique, pyramidal structure, allowing space for enhanced oil retention, reduced friction and improved long-term durability.
The 3.5 RL has connecting rods forged using a unique, advanced-technology process, called block-forging, that results in parts of unprecedented strength and uniformity. The RL engine is the first automobile engine in the world to utilize this advanced technology.
Because of the imprecise nature of the conventional forging process, the connecting rods in other manufacturer engines must be sorted according to weight, with rods of approximately equal mass assigned to each particular engine to achieve proper reciprocating balance. Even in rods that happen to have equal overall mass, the distribution of metal density throughout conventional rods can vary enough to affect strength and engine balance.
In marked contrast, the rods of the RL are forged with a "block-forging" system in which the steel blank is struck, at extremely high pressure, from five directions at once. This process has no allowance for excess metal; giving it nowhere to go in the ultra-precise block-forging dies. Accordingly, the blanks that will be forged into RL rods are machined before the forging process, to exacting mass tolerances. In other words, the material that will become an RL connecting rod has been precisely measured and balanced before it ever enters the forging dies.
As a result of this process, RL connecting rods are among the most precisely balanced of any rods found in a production-automobile engine.
To reduce engine noise caused by contact between the pistons and piston pins, the RL engine uses a full-floating piston pin design that reduces the clearance between them. Typically, a piston pin is a press fit in the rod, and a larger clearance between the pin and the aluminum piston allows the piston to rock freely. In the more innovative RL design, the pin moves freely in the rod and the piston rocks freely on the pin; the piston pin is essentially free to "float" between the piston and the rod. This advanced design results in a significant 5 decibel noise reduction.
The RL engine features a four-valve-per-cylinder valvetrain with pentroof combustion chambers. A flexible, toothed belt drives a single camshaft for each cast-aluminum cylinder head. Hydraulic lash adjusters are used for quieter running and reduced maintenance.
The combustion chamber is designed with a generous "squish" area formed by the piston and cylinder head - promoting rapid and complete combustion by increasing the turbulence of the fuel air mixture around the centrally located platinum tipped spark plug.
Conventional high-performance engines typically use a substantial amount of valve overlap to achieve better breathing at higher rpm, with the intake and exhaust valves opening simultaneously at top dead center between the exhaust and intake strokes. At low rpm, however, this allows blowback of the fuel-air mixture, with exhaust gas creating a pressure wave that reverses the flow of the fresh incoming charge. To prevent the resulting unstable combustion - and relatively rough running - at low rpm, the RL camshaft timing has considerably reduced valve overlap, resulting in smoother low-speed running and improved low-rpm torque. The advanced four-valve-per-cylinder design, and the Variable Induction System intake tract, combine to maintain excellent high-rpm power output.
To further reduce noise, the resonant frequency of the timing belt has been tuned by altering both its width and its material. The position of the belt tensioner was also optimized as part of the intensive effort to reduce overall engine noise.
To tune the intake system volume and length for optimum torque at any rpm, the RL uses a three-stage intake manifold. To enhance cylinder charging by making use of resonance effects in the intake tract, the engine uses a longer intake tract at low rpm, transitions to a mid-length tract in the mid-range, and then is opened completely for high-rpm running - allowing the inertia effect of the moving column of air in the system to enhance cylinder filling at higher engine speeds. The system has been designed and tuned for the special low-rpm/high-torque tuning emphasis of the RL engine.
The RL features an innovative variable silencer. A special valve in the first exhaust chamber within the muffler is able to route the exhaust as needed for quiet operation and, when applicable, reduced back pressure for improved power output. Under normal driving conditions, the valve is closed - channeling exhaust flow through the entire muffler tract for maximum noise reduction. During hard acceleration, however, at 3500 rpm the valve opens - allowing exhaust to flow directly to the muffler's dual exit chambers for improved flow and enhanced engine output.
In addition to its variable silencer, the RL's V-6 engine benefits from a unique air intake-joint shape and a large intake-opening size for enhanced airflow to the intake manifold. The increase in intake airflow allows for a proportionate increase in fuel delivery, with a corresponding increase in ignition timing for enhanced engine power and response.
Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) compensates for varying driving and atmospheric conditions, providing enhanced drivability and engine efficiency in a wide variety of conditions. Data on coolant temperature, air temperature and density, manifold vacuum, engine rpm, throttle position, crankshaft position, and exhaust oxygen content is interpreted by the Electronic Control Module (ECM), which determines fuel injector duration and timing as well as ignition timing and transmission operation. To reduce the pulsing noise emanating from the fuel injectors, a special sound-dampening unit is mounted at the junction of the fuel delivery tube and each individual injector.
The result of an extensive development program, the advanced, computer-controlled automatic transmission of the RL underscores Acura's unwavering commitment to automotive refinement, efficiency, and responsiveness.
The 4-speed transmission uses the innovative Grade Logic Control system to enhance uphill and downhill powertrain smoothness. When driving on steep grades, the Electronic Control Module automatically holds the transmission in the proper gear, even if a reduction in throttle position would otherwise dictate an upshift. This all but eliminates unnecessary shifts and "gear hunting." Also, on downgrades, the transmission holds third gear instead of automatically shifting to fourth, letting engine braking help prevent unwanted velocity.
A refined, lock-up torque converter enhances performance and acceleration while optimizing fuel efficiency and engine braking. Developed to reduce the "creeping" effect at idle, the converter makes the vehicle extraordinarily easy to hold with the foot brake at a stop.
To reduce engine noise under acceleration, the subframe mounts between the engine/transmission/suspension assembly are filled with hydraulic fluid of a specifically tuned viscosity. The resulting softer damping rate further isolates the passenger compartment from engine and road noise.
To reduce vibration at idle, the RL uses hydraulic engine mounts with two different damping rates: a soft rate that allows the engine/transmission unit to move more freely at idle and a stiffer rate that positions the powertrain more firmly during driving. Between 820 rpm and 850 rpm, the damping characteristics of the mounts change automatically; a small solenoid valve closes, restricting the flow of fluid from chamber to chamber thus increasing the damping rate.
In addition, the main engine mounts have been located very close to the center of mass of the engine/transmission unit, more effectively isolating the primary inertial couple effect at idle. This change has resulted in significantly reduced vibration felt at the front seat in the critical 500 to 1200 rpm idle and off-idle range.


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Ode on the Witches and Fairies of Shakespeare: But oh! What sudden gloom...What howling whirlwinds rend the sky!
Thomas Linley, Jr.
- Roderick Williams, baritone
- Lilliana Mazzarri, soprano
- William Purefoy, alto
- Andrew King, tenor
- Simon Grant, bass
- Musicians of the Globe
- Philip Pickett, conductor
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Orangeville: Cherron W. Phelps, age 59, wife of Walker Phelps, passed away Friday, July 30, 2010 at her home. She was born July 21, 1951 in Peoch, Nev. to Charles W. and Charleen Nickels White. She married Walker Phelps on Aug. 7, 1987 in Milford, Utah.
Cherron is survived by her husband, Walker, of Orangeville; brothers: Charles (Rose) White of Salt Lake City and Chad (Carol) White of Salt Lake City; and numerous nieces and nephews. She is preceded in death by her parents and one sister, Chevonnon Borgerson.
Catholic Chapel Service will be at 11 a.m. on Thursday, Aug. 5, 2010 at Fausett Mortuary in Castle Dale, 720 N. Center Street, Castle Dale. The family will receive friends on Thursday at 10 a.m. at Fausett Mortuary prior to the services. Services are in the care of Fausett Mortuary. Friends and family may sign the guestbook and share memories of Cherron at www.fausettmortuary.com.