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If there's one person out there who knows the difference a hot meal … or a cold meal, even … can make in a person's life, it's Acel Moore.
The 97-year-old Fulton resident has been delivering food to people's homes for a very, very long time. After working for the county's health department for 25 years, Moore spent 16 years delivering food for Three Rivers Planning and Development Council's Meals on Wheels program.
For that last eight years, she's served as a volunteer for Itawamba County's annual charity Thanksgiving Dinner, delivering meals to Fulton residents who might otherwise not have anything to eat on the holiday.
This year, she delivered food to 13 homes around the Fulton area. Quickly, too.
"I can get out there and back before most people have even gotten going," Moore said with a grin, admitting that her 16 years with Meals on Wheels likely helped a bit.
"I enjoy doing it; I enjoy being out and seeing people," she said of her years of delivering meals to people in need. "I like talking to people and doing what I can to help them."
Banish all thoughts about what a 97-year-old woman should be. That's not Acel Moore. Independent and active, with a sharp mind and sharp tongue, Moore's demeanor belies her age.
Sitting on a stool in the kitchen of her home, her small legs dangling a couple of feet above the floor, Moore said she can be pretty forceful when she needs to be … or, perhaps, when other people need her to be.
"I'm sort of forward when it comes to helping people," she said. "I know when they need help."
For example, when delivering food, she said she makes her presence known.
"I don't just peck on the door," she said. "You know I'm there when I knock. You have to convince me you're not home before I'll go away."
In her years of delivering food to local homes — both for work and charity — Moore said she's met a diverse group of people living in a variety of circumstances. Neither Meals On Wheels nor the charity Thanksgiving Dinner is based on income — both programs deliver food to people who are unable to leave their homes for one reason or another. Stepping into a person's home, even briefly, is a glimpse into their lives, which are often sad.
Once, Moore said, she walked through the door of a woman's home and was immediately asked, without a word of explanation, if she'd "pray for her."
"So I did, right then and there," Moore said with a shrug of her slight shoulders. "What else could I do?"
Sad sights are, unfortunately, fairly common, though Moore tries not to let them weigh on her too much. That said, there's a lot to enjoy about delivering food to people's homes. It's a chance to get to know people … to stop for a second and enjoy a conversation with a stranger.
It's kept her going, she said; it's her fountain of youth.
"Maybe that's the secret to long life," she said. "When you've worked all your life, you can't just quit and sit down. You get tired of staying at home after being around people for so long."
There's been some talk that this year may be the last for the Thanksgiving Day program due to health concerns in the family of the event's organizers Rick and Joni Leathers.
Moore, a close friend of the Leathers family, said she understands how much hard work goes into the program each year and why it may not be able to continue, but admits she'd miss it if the program were gone. Others would, too.
"It's important to a whole lot of people," she said of the Thanksgiving Day meal. "It's made a big difference for more than 10 years.
"I hope they will continue it," she added "If I were younger, I'd do it myself."
After a moment of thought, she reconsidered.
"Well, no I wouldn't," she said curtly. "I couldn't cook like that. I could serve, though."
Of course she could; it's something she's been doing for decades.


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Established in 1982, Great Clips perfected a system for delivering competitively priced, high-quality haircuts to men, women and children with no appointments. When Great Clips opened the first salons back in 1982 there were just a few dreamers, but with hard work, solid business practices and the right people, they truly revolutionized the haircare industry. In 1983, Ray called his friends, Roger and Marylu Ledebuhr, every night for well over a month, hounding them to open the first Great Clips franchise in Brooklyn Center, Minn. Partially in an effort to stop Ray from calling and to get some peace and quiet, the Ledebuhrs and their partner Mary Lou Barton agreed to open the first Great Clips franchise—that first franchised location opened on July 16, 1983.
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|Posted by hj on June 25, 2003 at 21:17:20:
|In response to Re: Retrofitting old pedestal sink with new faucets
I have used thick deck kits for other Delta widespread faucets. Check on the kit for a Roman tub, it may have the same body as your faucet.
: I have a great old pedestal sink, ca 1900, that seems to be made out of soapstone (?) with a porcelain glaze. It was fitted out with separate hot and cold faucet taps on an odd spacing, about 13" o.c., and some weird drain control in the center. I bought a widespread (6 - 16") three-hole lav set which has valve bodies requiring a 1 1/8" hole.
: When I took the old faucets out, much to my surprise I found 1" square holes in the deck (to accomodate the square faucet body -- more weirdness). I was able to drill out the 1" square holes to 1 1/4" round with a tile bit; this stuff is actually pretty soft.
: Now my problem is that the deck is 1 3/4" thick and the valves only accommodate up to 1 1/4" deck thickness. There is no "Thick deck" kit for this (Delta Victorian) faucet set, and indeed those only seem to be available for kitchen fixtures. Hence, I want to recess the underside about 3/4" so that I can fasten the valve. If this were wood, I would put a plug in to center the drill, and use a forstner bit to create the flat-bottom seat for the nut. What sort of tool should I use on this stuff?
: Anybody else ever eocountered such a problem?
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Francois Louw's late try led Bath to a famous 27-26 victory over bitter rivals Leicester Tigers at the Recreation Ground on Saturday.
Francois Louw's late try led Bath to a rapturous 27-26 victory over Leicester Tigers at The Rec on Saturday.
Both sides made the most of excellent conditions at The Rec in the opening 40 minutes, with no shortage of ambition and intent on display as Leicester looked to secure their home semi-final ahead of the Premiership playoffs.
In a throwback to the tense clashes between the two sides of yesteryear, Bath and Leicester produced thrilling finishes to prove that the gap between the two sides might not be as wide as many believe it to be.
A frenetic first half saw Bath's Simon Taylor grab the first of five first-half tries, the former Scotland number eight crashing over the line the day after it was announced that he would be leaving the club at the end of the season.
Leicester and England flanker Tom Croft then hit back with a fine finish of his own, leaving his England team-mate David Wilson for dead before sidestepping his way around Bath full-back Ollie Devoto to put the Tigers ahead.
The Tigers open gameplan then cost them, Semesa Rokoduguni intercepting for Bath to run in from 40 metres out and restore the hosts' lead.
A penalty from Flood edged Leicester back in front before Ben Youngs added a sensational solo score – catching the Bath defence unawares by taking a tap penalty before swerving his way upfield for an 80 metre try.
Horacio Agulla countered with a try against his old side, collecting Donald's cross-field chip to go over, with Donald's conversion leaving the score at 19-20 by half-time.
Penalties from replacement Tom Heathcote and Flood added to the scoreboard after the break.
The carefree rugby of the first half though was replaced by an attritional battle, substitutes making an impact from the bench as Bath missed a crucial penalty to narrow the gap to a single point when Heathcote's penalty hit the post.
A breakthrough was on the cards and eventually it came – Francois Louw taking the offload from Perenise before spectacularly diving over in the corner to put Bath ahead, leaving the score at 27-26.
Louw also illustrated his hard work at the breakdown with a crucial turnover from the restart and from there Bath hung on for their best win of the season, in the process keeping their top six hopes alive.
The scorers:
For Bath:
Tries: Taylor, Rokoduguni, Agulla, Louw
Cons: Devoto, Donald
Pen: Heathcote
For Leicester:
Tries: Croft, Youngs
Cons: Flood 2
Pens: Flood 4
Bath: 15 Ollie Devoto, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Ben Williams, 12 Kyle Eastmond, 11 Horacio Agulla, 10 Stephen Donald, 9 Michael Claassens, 8 Simon Taylor, 7 Guy Mercer, 6 Francois Louw (c), 5 Dave Attwood, 4 Dominic Day, 3 David Wilson, 2 Rob Webber, 1 Paul James.
Replacements: 16 Eusebio Guinazu, 17 Nathan Catt, 18 Anthony Perenise, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Mat Gilbert, 21 Nick Koster, 22 Peter Stringer, 23 Tom Heathcote.
Leicester: 15 Mathew Tait, 14 Matt Smith, 13 Manusamoa Tuilagi, 12 Anthony Allen, 11 Adam Thompstone, 10 Toby Flood (c), 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Thomas Waldrom, 7 Julian Salvi, 6 Tom Croft, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Steve Mafi, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Tom Youngs, 1 Logovi'i Mulipola.
Replacements: 16 Rob Hawkins, 17 Fraser Balmain, 18 Martin Castrogiovanni, 19 Ed Slater, 20 Jordan Crane, 21 Sam Harrison, 22 Dan Bowden, 23 Geordan Murphy.
Referee: Tim Wigglesworth
Assistant referees: Ashley Rowden, Andrew Pearce
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Our in-form Value Bet tipster Ben Linfoot is backing Court Minstrel for the Betfair Hurdle among others on Saturday.
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It's been labelled as Super Saturday and it's hard to argue with that with so many great races and vital Cheltenham trials both sides of the Irish Sea.
The big betting race, and one of my favourite contests of the whole season, is the Betfair Hurdle at Newbury, complete with its usual mix of solid handicappers and potential top-notchers.
My Tent Or Yours certainly falls into the latter bracket, but at 9/2 in one of the most competitive races of the campaign you won't be surprised to hear that I'll be taking him on.
His potential is there for all to see but the handicapper was particularly harsh on him last time for winning a small race, and, off a rating of 149, he's going to have to put in a performance beyond his years to scoop the pot.
He's failed to settle in his races this season and while a better race and a proper pace will help in that regard, I do think he's been slightly over-hyped in the run up to Saturday's contest.
I can't forget his reverse behind Chatterbox at Newbury late last year and that's not the sort of form that will win a Betfair Hurdle.
He's passed over and those just in behind him in the betting - the likes of Cotton Mill, Cash And Go and Pearl Swan - are all likely types in that they were very good novices who haven't shown the handicapper their winning hand this season.
However, they are all single-figure prices and any value in backing any of the trio has surely gone.
The one with a similar profile that seems to have gone under the radar is COURT MINSTREL who is worth a bet at 14s.
Evan Williams' six-year-old sneaks in right at the bottom of the weights - in fact he is 2lb out of the handicap but Adam Wedge's 3lb claim cancels that out - and he is one of this season's novices that might have been shown a little leniency by the assessor.
He is a product of that hot Aintree Grade 2 bumper from last season that has been prolific in creating winners as he was fourth, beaten nine lengths by My Tent Or Yours off level weights.
I'm not sure he should be three times the price of that rival given he gets 19lb from him here - especially as his own hurdle form is holding up well.
He beat The Romford Pele, twice a subsequent winner, very easily at Cheltenham in October and was then hampered when a running-on third behind Dodging Bullets at the same track the following month.
That's high-class form and he's better than he showed when fourth in the Grade One Tolworth Hurdle at Sandown last time behind Melodic Rendezvous, as he wouldn't be suited by heavy ground and he weakened after making a mistake at the last.
The ground is drying at Newbury and he too will benefit from a decent pace with Wedge sure to drop him out the back and pick them off up the straight.
He looks sure to go well and I also can't resist the claims of PETIT ROBIN who looks overpriced to make the frame at least at 33/1 (with Paddy Power who are paying five places).
Nicky Henderson's fourth string (if you believe the betting) has been in fine form all season and he seems to be benefiting for the return to hurdles and the assistance of Nico de Boinville.
The pair have finished first and second in good handicaps the last twice, the latter a particularly good effort off top weight in the Ladbroke at Ascot.
He's gone up just 4lb for that but he's still 6lb off his best chase rating and while he could make the odd mistake over fences, he's treating his hurdles with much more respect.
Such a fluent technique gives this naturally prominent racer a chance and I'd expect him to stay out of trouble and go well, with ground conditions no problem.
He's susceptible to an improver but this classy operator remains underestimated and has a fine chance of making the frame at least.
Finally, CAPTAIN SUNSHINE looks worth siding with in the Betfair Don't Settle For Less Handicap Hurdle earlier on the card at 1.50.
Emma Lavelle's seven-year-old doesn't come without risks as he refused to race at Exeter three starts ago and now has to be led in with kid gloves just to get him on the move.
I can't help but think he's really well handicapped, though, as he was finishing with an astonishing late thrust at Kempton on his latest start before falling at the last when challenging for second behind Oscara Dara in the Lanzarote.
He was just a bit too exuberant at the final flight that day, but, if he's none the worse for that fall, I expect him to go really well now upped in trip to three miles.
*Court Minstrel declared a non-runner Saturday morning
*Ben advised two winners from two bets last Saturday as Medinas and Cloudy Too both won (both advised at 10/1).
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I gave the chapter an 1 even tho its was awesome. So don't ask who gave the chapter an one.
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I gave the chapter an 1 even tho its was awesome. So don't ask who gave the chapter an one.
LMAO, I can't stop laughing at franky's face haha. Man, What's wrote on Luffy's arm! So it's luffy that declared the end of Whitebeard's age and the new age of pirate to come. Seeing how a big shot Luffy has become, his Bounty should skyrocket. Since the new been published, there's no way the marine can stay low now lol. Damn, wish I could go in futur fro 5-10years until One Piece is finish so i could fread it all multiple time!
BTW, in the end, Sengoku was probly the biggest dissapopintement in One Piece so far.
What?!?!? don't be silly like OP would ever end
The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!
"Champions do not become champions when they win the event, but in the hours, weeks, months and years they spend preparing for it. The victorious performance itself is merely the demonstration of their championship character"
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nice chapter . luffy ringing the bell 16 times. i think he is telling the crew when to meet him.
then we'll see luffy and the rest when they are older. a time skip.
i also like coby gettin hakki
hahaha end captain kid is jelous
great chapter...
i just wish maybe oda will be giving us a darker onepiece after this.. i mean maybe this new era will also mean new "attitude" of the manga.. maybe we will see more people die left and right.. i mean after ace and WB die... oda could just make more important people die.. like maybe those admiral..
"Either Die as a Hero... or live long enough to see yourself becoming the villain..."
"Knowledge is power"
Wasn't it obvious that Coby got something like Roger had when he was in the middle of battle, just before Shanks came? It came to my mind that he heard the voices of "creation", so it should've come to others too.
What Luffy did was kind of disappointment to me :| Didn't deserve the reaction it got from reindeer. Also the message is still unclear about the part of his crew.
Other than that, great chap. Really liked the merciless Kid.
Also, screw time skip. OP doesn't need it, nor does this deserve it, and by that I mean to skip years, I don't care about few weeks. In Naruto it fit, in here no. I want to see them get strong. I don't just want to jump into them being strong.
Also also, was odd to see Sengoku and Garp retired, maybe undestandable since Whitebeard kind of was the only dude left from the times where they fought their real battles. Well, there's still that Woodleg-Rudderhead, with his Grand plan.
if it does go into a time skip I called it. 2 years ago.
Luffy's Tatoo : First letter is K, second is a crossed O, Third is a N or R or L, And 4th one seem to be a Y or X. I wonder if that's the message, just like the X they had when they leave Vivi.
OMG please do not start this crap about a time skip again its is a weak and unskillful way to move the story alon and it is beneath oda to do one he is to good for that lame crap. plus they dont need a time skip oda can take up time in other ways. there are a lot more things oda can show other than taking a lame cop out like a time skip.
i am hoping that they show the rest of the novas next chap, i hope capone, bonny, and the monk guy get taken out, i want to see more of drake, law and apoo.
Pandaman behind Luffy charging to attack him was funny along with the clueless Amazon Lily girls pulling Rayleigh's and Jimbei's face thinking they rubber too. Jimbei's face was priceless. But again Franky takes the gold for me his face had me rolling. Besides the humor was cool seeing a new bad*** character Kong he looks like someone that can tear sh*t up in a instant. I'll be disappointed if the thunder isle was enel really doubt it's him rather see something new. I'm a guess the dark sphere in the sky that pulled capone was blackbeard makes sense to take his DF power to hold Colossal easier no? I used to hope for a time skip but now don't really want to skip anything, want to see everything that happens Nami's reaction made it seem that way though, but it could also mean something as simple to meet up at grove 16 or something. Glad or hope Moria/capone/herculen/bronzebeard are dead. Also no break next week best part!


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Marvel might have the edge when it comes to feature films, but DC is destroying when it comes to animated releases. The beyond epic The Dark Knight Returns: Part 2 just came out and now we're already getting a glimpse at the next animated feature!
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Come Valentine's Day, most of us just give flowers. Others are more ambitious. We selected some of the world's most lasting monuments to love, from New York's Boldt Castle (pictured) to well-known passion projects like the Taj Mahal.
An aerial view of Boldt Castle, located on the aptly named Heart Island in the Thousand Islands region of Alexandria Bay, New York. It was a gift from millionaire George C. Boldt—proprietor of New York City's Waldorf Astoria Hotel—to his wife, Louise.
More than 300 carpenters, stonemasons, and artisans worked on the 120-room Boldt Castle, which includes turrets, a drawbridge, gardens, and a dove cote.
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Mirabell Palace and Gardens were a lavish gift from Austrian Prince Archbishop Wolf Dietrich von Raitenau to his mistress, Salome Alt. The site worked its magic on those lovebirds, who eventually had 15 children.
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Skip to comments.McDonald's, KFC, Burger King workers protest in NYC
Posted on 11/29/2012 9:57:50 PM PST by babyfreep
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They can always start their own business and pay themselves what they think they are worth.
I am sure shee had some marketable skills and knowledge, she should find a job that pays better.
Probably got a Ph.d in Vagina Studies
Betcha Ms. Pamela you drew a lot of attention to Burger King and they will be VERY BUSY tomorrow, thanks for the free advertising for them babe. good job.....
Fast food work is an entry-level job folks. The pay is not meant to support a family...just like sweeping floors at Walmart isn't.
I worked a factory job in the early 90s. It wasn't much money, but it was OK for the time. My duties were extensive and took some knowledge which I gained through experience.
I asked for a 50 cent/hr raise after 2 years. They only gave me a quarter. I got a better paying job and quit which is exactly what these people who don't like their current pay should attempt to do. No one is forcing them to stay at this job.
Hey Pam, try looking for a better paying job or try to work hard enough to be considered for a KFC manager position. I love these people. They deserve a better wage because well, they just do. Don't work harder to get ahead, just ask for more money. Typical democrat mentality. We are so screwed as a nation.
Yo Pammy, let me ax you a kestion... you be having some skills, yo, so lemme ax you this....
Why you not find a better job?
Why you not put your fat trunk on the market?
You think your worth more than $9 an hour? Then prove it.
Start your own bitness and pay yourself what you worth, girl.
The result would be that the high end restaurants would still exist, but the fast food industry would be gutted, and only vending machines would be profitable.
I have a great idea, quit. I'm sure there are other companies who are willing
to pay more for unskilled labor. Like maybe ten cents more.
The typical democrat mentality is that she is a member of a "class." And when they talk about classes, they are always frozen, no one can ever improve their lives or jobs, no one can join a new "class." She is part of the minimum wage class, forever doomed to get minimum wages, trapped in a hopeless situation. Her only solution is to get the minimum wage raised.
time for this one to load her can into the studebaker and head on up over to Bakken land where they're payin mac flippers way more than they're worth....
'There's a boom going on in North Dakota and jobs are plentiful. The "old fashioned oil boom" is called the largest in North America in the last 40 years, according to USA TODAY. If you are looking to make $15.00 per hour as a starting position, you will have to get your bags packed and head for Williston, North Dakota'
You took the words right out of my mouth.
If the fast food joints unionize the food prices will skyrocket, more than people are willing to pay — these idiots will bargain themselves right out of a job.
And In the metro areas who will be hurt the most? Holder's peeps.
Wow, so many coincidences.. 0bama, unions and coincidences, what a trio! Four iconic American companies, hmmmm...
I almost want them to get a Union, then let her go beg for a raise/promption.
Lib: Mr. Manager, I have worked here for X years and have been stepping up, can I get a promotion?
Manger: Sorry, Steve has been employed here longer and has seniority, he get's the promoting next.
Lib: But Steve is late every day and hardly does any work.
Manager: Well, now that we have the union, that is out of my control. The Union say Steve is next based on seniority.
Lib: Well, can I get a raise than?
Manager: no. According to the Union contract, you will get a 10 cent raise next year.
You can bet THIS is what the 'community organizer' in the WH was orchestrating with his co-conspirator agitators right after his re-election. OWS wasn't effective enough, I guess.
hard for this to impact people in a city that has the most restaurants per square foot than anywhere else in america.
this was the thing that irritated me most about the attack ad on romney spending cuts wold kill middle class jobs - but the imagery running was of entry-level food workers - these are not middle class jobs. they are entry level jobs.
do you want fries with that strike?
Yes, it irritates me, too. You're right - this is not the kind of job one should expect to support a family on. She mentions her husband works to support her family. Well, that's the way it is supposed to be, Pamela.
Considering the employee turnover that exists in the fast food industry, I would say after working there 8 years - this woman ought to be at least an assistant manager by now.
if she had any drive at all possibly
So will she still have a job tomorrow ? Cause if I was her boss I would fire her a$$ the second she walked out.
Who knows? The article also says:
Under the National Labor Relations Act, workers are protected from retaliation as long as they work in concert with at least one other employee to try to change their working conditions. However, they can be "permanently replaced" if they strike for purely economic reasons, according to Ken Margolies, a senior associate at the Worker Institute at Cornell University.
So, she *can* be "permanently replaced".
"The Worker Institute at Cornell University"...what the heck is that?? (just saw that)
The best part is that her ten cent raise will be accompanied by fifteen cents an hour in union dues.
Call the WH Ask for Obummer. He has all my money now. Need a tip? Ask him for it.
SpongeBob can make burgers better than her!
everyone likes the Krusty Krab!! yum yum
The Age Of Obama.
GIMME GIMME GIMME. It's owed to me! I want, I want, I want!
Fast food work is entry level. Doesn,t matter who you are or where you are at. If you want more money find a better job. There are only so many dollars to go around in fast food
"Ken Margolies started working for the ILR Extension Division at Cornell Labor Programs in 1986 following a career in the labor movement working for the Service Employees Union, the Association of Flight Attendants and the Communications Workers of America. In the mid-1990's he took a leave from Cornell to work for the Teamsters union."
I knew that name sounded familiar. Big with SEIU.
honestly I've never understood why people stay working in fast food. Anytime I've gone to a busy fastfood restaurant I have to marvel at the efficiency of the machine. The worst service I've gotten has been at slow restaurants. I would think after two years working fast food... there would be any amount of jobs she could do in a fast paced environment. AS a former employer... I happily hired people who had fast food experience.
Find a higher paying job commensurate with your skills, and stop whining.
If this was some where else I might agree with you. The volume of business is enormous. I read once people who owned a 24 hour pizza shop in Penn station made 20 million dollars a year. Since it is in the most expensive place to live in the world. The cost of transportation for workers is outrageous. Everything in NY city is nuts. I lived there. Just imagine how many times more money than an average Burger King or McDonalds in a city of 15 million. If these fast food places want quality workers they should give them a raise. IMHO.
NYC: 30 years ago I worked as a waitress there and GUESS what they were allowed to pay me, because I could earn tips?
$1 an hour or $40 a week. My rent was $300 a month!
Think how different it must be now and wonder how much this person's tips might be. Also, how did she manage to pay her rent all these years on this type of pay?
I would say this. Fast-food is ok to start out at....but you need to plan on staying less than four years and moving up to something else. If your life plan is to stick to Fast Food....unless you can get up to shift manager or store manager in eight years...I wouldn't be sticking around. I will admit that a shift-manager does make a good salary at McDonalds....but if you aren't there by your late twenties....you aren't going anywhere.
In this economy? Where? Also, where are the FReepers that believe that loyalty should be rewarded with a raise now and then? Should employers NEVER give a raise? If so, why not?
It's a fast food joint. They're all over NYC. There's probably one within walking distance of Pam's home. A couple of my kids worked fast food in high school. You know why? They could walk or ride their bikes there. And I live in suburban Philadelphia. If you decide to make fast food your career then you need to get into management if you expect a living wage. Otherwise, it's a job for kids and retired people. 8 years and still a regular shift worker? Shame on her.
Fire their asses. Give raises to anyone who didn't bitch and moan....
I almost got thrown out of my college economics class for pointing out that Ebenezer Scrooge (Dickens A Christmas Carol) must have been paying a fair wage to Bob Cratchet. There was no slavery. If Bob Cratchet could have made more money someplace else he would have gone someplace else. This arose from a discussion about Wal-Mart. A woman in the class had a friend with an advanced degree who had taken a job at the local Wal-Mart for $12/hr. The woman in the class felt that Wal-Mart should pay her friend more because she had a college education. (Turns out Wal-Mart was the only employer in this tiny, western town.) I said, No, if the friend took a job at $12/hour then that was what shed sold her time for. If she wanted to use her degree then shed have to move someplace where the degree was needed. The class was incensed. You should not have to move to get employment!
BTW, Ive been laid off and the closest job I can find where I have a shot is four states away and it will pay half what I was making. I own my home outright and cant sell it in todays market without taking a beating. If I get this job, I will pack the Jetta and MOVE!
Fire them and put up HELP WANTED signs as they protest outside. They will be killed by the stampede of those seeking jobs.
On our way to becoming France....
This is why America needs to be free from New York. New York is the liberal centroid, the point from which Marxist collectivisims oozes. The Great Satan is on the Hudson.
So, she has worked there for 8 years and is only making 50 cents above minimum wage and has asked for a raise and been ignored for weeks. I wonder whether the store has asked her to work like she wanted to actually earn her pay and been ignored for years...
>>but you need to plan<<
And that, my FRiend, is the downfall of many...their inability to make, and stick to, a plan.
I don't know if I'm getting older and grumpier or if is the reality of the world, but I see more and more people who just don't think beyond the next hour.
As a very tall politician with nice hair once said, "Hope is not a strategy". The idiot in the article hopes for a raise, just because she feels entitled to it. Super. But what's your actual PLAN, dear?
>>BTW, Ive been laid off and the closest job I can find where I have a shot is four states away and it will pay half what I was making.<<
The automotive industry in Central KY is booooooming. I need Engineers, Industrial Maintenance Techs, and Section Managers in a very bad way.
After eight years she should have learned enough to advance to manager instead of still being a cashier. She obviously doesn't have what it takes and deserves no better than min wage. Unskilled and entry workers don't deserve large wages and should be thanking big government for regulating the min wage or they'd be making what they're qualified for and that's even less.
They want a "living wage" on a job skill set for a semi-literate high-school student?
MOVE OUT OF NYC so you can afford your rent. You don't belong there if you can't feed yourself.
Taken in the context of the Fiscal Cliff, the union actions to raise wages are necessary. The unstated solution for resolving the debt issue is inflation resulting from devaluation of the US$.
To sustain the inflation, the people must become comfortable with the constant rise in prices. The discomfort is eliminated by increase in wages. So far, with unemployment at unacceptable levels, labor is not only cheap but plentiful. Employees have no leverage to increase their wages even though their purchasing power is diminished.
The union effort is an attempt to make a general national effort to raise wages that sidesteps the individual employers. For the inflation to neutralize the debt, it must be general and that includes wages. Once the wage inflation resumes after a 25 or so year hiatus the general inflation can proceed upward smoothly.
It will happen. Wage inflation will begin in the midst of unacceptable unemployment. In spite of a populist president, the havenots will have less after the inflation
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I was very happy to read the commentary by Jacob B. Hornsberger in the June 27 issue of the Emery County Progress regarding Speaking Spanish and Assimilating. He expressed the issue very well, very positively. Would that all could understand this.
In relation to it, I think of my own relatives and family friends who never learned English or were much more comfortable speaking German. We didn't live near enough for me to hear the language very often. Although both my parents could speak it, they only used occasional phrases and sayings. Therefore, I was not able to learn it from them. This is something I have always regretted and have never had the opportunity to learn otherwise due to different circumstances.
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Haggai speaks about the Messiah—The Desire of All Nations will come—The Lord will give peace in His temple.
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3 Who is left among you that saw this
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5 According to the word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt, so my
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12 If one bear holy flesh in the skirt of his garment, and with his skirt do touch bread, or pottage, or wine, or oil, or any meat, shall it be holy? And the priests answered and said, No.
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19 Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you.
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21 Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the
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Five things: Oh no!
Ryan Lambert
January 18 2012 10:53AM
1. The Cammalleri trade
So I'm watching the Bruins/Canadiens game last week — you know, as you do — and Mike Cammalleri sure isn't getting a lot of playing time as the second period wore on.
I got it though. It was a day after he said all that stuff about the Habs playing with a losing attitude, which the francophone press conflated to "playing like losers" (in what was actually a shockingly successful attempt to run a guy out of town; the French-speaking media really needed a win after they couldn't oust Cunneyworth, after all) so I figure this is some sort of penance.
But then he didn't come out for the third period and that was when I started thinking maybe he got traded.
It was weird to see a guy get yanked in the middle of the game, but it was also excruciatingly interesting to watch all the drama unfold on Twitter. The dispatches came fast and furious, informed and not, indiscriminately. Cammalleri pulled from game, Camalleri sent to hotel, Cammalleri told to wait for more details, Cammalleri told he's been traded but not to what team, Cammalleri might have been traded to Calgary, Cammalleri definitely was traded to Calgary, Cammalleri was traded to Calgary for Rene Bourque.
We've never seen anything unfold like that before, and probably never will again. It would have been even more enthralling had it not all been so hideously related to Calgary.
2. What it means to me
Now don't get me wrong, I think Mike Cammalleri is a very good hockey player who found himself in a bad situation on a team that, as he said, had a losing attitude. And in being traded to Calgary for that rockhead Rene Bourque, he probably got what he ultimately wanted.
I'm not even especially off-put by all the talk about Cammalleri being kind of a pain in the ass in the room and none of his Montreal teammates really liking him. We've all had jobs where we loved our coworkers and jobs where we didn't and jeez what do you know I bet we all liked working at the place where we liked 'em more than the ones where we didn't. I always got the sense that, like a couple other guys, Cammalleri never really wanted to leave Calgary but didn't have a choice. He can't feel too bad about what he did in that one season in town, right? So that's all fine.
But the reason I objected to the trade the second it happened is what I thought it symbolized. That horror creeping up the back of my skull was manifested when, the next day, Jay Feaster said the Flames were "going for it." With "it" being "the absurd dream of the playoffs."
And I know what you're going to say. "There aren't a lot of teams outside the top four or five teams in the West that are appreciably better than the Flames, and Cammalleri probably makes them a better team. The playoffs are realistic." Sure they are, but as I've said a million times (approximately!) before, to what end? They sneak into the seven or eight seed, make a million bucks or so a night on the small handful of home dates they receive as they get trampled by the Canucks or Sharks or Blackhawks and then...?
It's misguided. Of course it is. This team is no closer to being able to compete legitimately for home ice in the Western Conference, let alone to be one of the top teams in the league, after the trade than it was before it, and Feaster pledging the team would push all-in seems pretty dumb considering it's the hockey equivalent of a three-five offsuit.
(Or whatever. What's a mediocre hand that's not likely to win? I don't play poker.)
3. And to those who would admonish me
As an outspoken advocate of rebuilding, I've been tsk-tsked a few times in the last week for believing that strip-it-down reworking of the team's roster so that it can more effectively tank for high draft picks.
"Look," my critics say, "at the crap job they've done of it in Edmonton."
And it's true. Edmonton has finished outside the playoffs in every season since the one in which they fluked their way to the Stanley Cup Final and Chris Pronger begged his way out of town. In just two of those campaigns have they finished higher than fifth in the division. So it would appear that simply resigning oneself to five or seven years of really poor results isn't always the solution. Of course, that ignores that the Penguins more or less did the same thing about seven years before the Oilers did and it seemed to have worked out pretty well for them (getting to draft the best player of his generation sure didn't hurt either).
But let me say that my position has never been, "Well an attempted rebuild will definitely work." But I think it's something that should be tried, because obviously, sticking with a core of guys who are north of 30 isn't getting the job done. If you're not going to make the playoffs, would you rather finish 10th in the West and like 20th in the league or between 13th and 15th/26th and 30th?
I know why I would pick the latter. I'm legitimately interested to see why some people would choose the former.
4. Tough road ahead
And now on to more at-hand business than all this theoretical and philosophical stuff:
If the Flames want to be taken seriously as contenders for a playoff spot in the West, and they clearly do at this point, the next few days will be big. I'm writing this ahead of the game with San Jose so I don't know how that's going to go obviously (2-1 SOL - ed.), but if ever there was a three-game road trip to legitimize a team's pretensions, this might be it.
San Jose is a Western Conference power and seems to be one more or less in perpetuity at this point, as they were, coming into the game, a plus-24 in goal differential, third in the West despite a poor start and only five points out of the top spot with three games in hand on St. Louis and four on Vancouver. A strong, improving team making a nice little charge up the standings with just two regulation losses in their last 16 games.
Los Angeles is the second date of the road trip and that serves as another good measuring stick. The Kings were, like the Sharks, not great to start the season, and, having hired Darryl Sutter, are now pretty much killing it out there, underwhelming OT loss to Edmonton on Sunday aside. They already beat the re-Cammalleried Flames and did it convincingly, but they're far better on the road than they are at home, so it will be interesting to see if Staples Center remains a problem for Calgary, which has won just one of its last four there.
Two road games in three days against two very good teams playing generally great hockey is a tough ask. But then there's the game at Edmonton to close out the mini-trip, which could be problematic itself. Will the team be able to get up for a game against its laboring archrivals after two assumedly-trying contests on the coast? That might be the most interesting aspect of all this.
Frankly, you'd have to be happy with three points from the trip, and downright delighted with any more than that.
5. Here's the moment you've all been waiting for
Sorry about all that. Here's Jarome.
January 18 2012, 11:30AM
hahaha...nice finish. I dont think you're alone in your thoughts. I find myself a little conflicted: jazzed that Cammi is here, because it was such a sad day to see him go, but not so jazzed at his cap hit and that bringing him aboard means at least 2 more years of being stuck in the middle. Even if the Flames made the playoffs im not a huge fan of first round exits...that doesnt mean much.
January 18 2012, 11:40AM
It's all about the money. So long as Calgarians pack the Saddledome and keep season ticket sales high, then whatever drivel Feaster and King spew out will be enough.
I know Cammy's cap hit isn't the best, but I'd take his contract over Bourque's contract any day of the week. Imagine having to live with the frustration of Bourque's play for 4 more years?
Ryan, a couple things you have to get past. 1/ The Cammi trade was simply getting a better player than what you gave up. What's wrong with that??? Bourques trade value would be zilch in his last year 4 years from now. Cammi is a legit top 6 winger, Bourque couldnt play consistently enough to crack the top 6 even with our rookie laden roster. Cammi's trade value next year or even the year after is way higher than what Bourques is today. I'm having a hard time dumping on Feaster for making a good trade. I also think he stole Jones as well. Is that bad too?
2/So what if we make the playoffs. Many of these 30 something players are going to be gone. Even if we dont trade Iggy this year, there is no guarantee he's going to resign in Calgary. Changes are coming despite what ever we do. If Iggy walks & we get zipped for return, we will get you your lottery picks. Playoff experience, even for 1 round or another round next year for players like Brodie, Backlund, Jones, Horak, Smith, Byron, Leiland, will be a huge experience. Wouldnt you want your new rookies to get playoff experience at this stage of their careers as compared to Oiler lottery picks learning to lose year after year to get more lottery picks.
3/Rebuilding is like a snowflake, there just isnt 2 alike. I think we have already begun rebuilding & we have a similar record to that veteran team from last year. What does that say? Like everything, we just have to let this thing take its course, it's easy to 2nd guess after the fact when things go right or wrong. I for one think Feaster is making changes, not all how I would do it, but let's see what happens. If it goes terribly wrong, we'll be the next Edmonton Oilers for years to come soon enough.
tbh, I've just accepted the reality that what the owners want is different then what 99% of us want. since we're not writing the cheques, might as well evaluate things based on the thoughts of the guys that do.
if that makes me "part of the problem", so be it. I think it's realistic.
January 18 2012, 12:20PM
It's all about the money. So long as Calgarians pack the Saddledome and keep season ticket sales high, then whatever drivel Feaster and King spew out will be enough.
Your right, it is all about the money. But it's not so much Feaster and King as it is ownership and the rest of the administration at the Dome. The owners fear that losing the likes of Iggy and Kipper means a loss at the gates and loss of merchandise revenue. Do you know how high the demand for Cammalleri products were on Saturday? The guy had been in town 24 hours and people were clamoring for his Jerseys and T-shirts. All that info and bottom line revenue gets packaged up and delivered to ownership and the book-keepers and advisors tell them that all is well...just look at the numbers, don't change a thing and you'll continue to make money.
And some of the people on here wonder why I get riled by player statistics and reports. Because the digits on the paper don't always reflect the true story. The owners don't talk to the average fan, and the pencil pushers who they do interact with don't really know the difference between a puck and a cow patty. You think King will tell them the truth? That could put his job in jeopardy. The season ticket waiting list is hundreds of names long, the seats are all spoken and paid for, TV and radio deals are sealed, the money is coming in...it's all good. Why tell them any different from what their spreadsheets say?
Good thing I'm not on radio. How Pat doesn't go into 15 minute tirades everyday or on overtime is beyond me!
I fail to see why some people find the Cammalleri trade so upsetting.It doesn't change our playoff chances or draft position all that much and we get a guy who seems to give a rats ass.The indifference displayed by Bourque was spreading like cancer and he had to go before he infected the young guys.We can still sell at the deadline if we are out of it.
#2 is right on.
It's about "Intellectual honesty"
We're where we were last year (ok fine, 2 pts ahead). Sports clubs stats gives us a 6% chance of making the playoffs (although today it's down for protest)
Playoff status.com gives us an 8% chance of being 8th and a 78% chance of missing completely.
We're 7 pts behind 7th (even games) We're 3pts behind 8th (they have a game in hand)
We're in 12th and we have to be better than 4 other teams! And they've got a head start.
Where is the intellectual honesty?
One more year melts away. How old is Iggy next year? 35? Kipper 36?
Well that was depressing. I'd still say we got the better player in the aftermath of this latest drama. Just drink the Feaster cool-aid and go for the ride. It's much more fun than trying to somehow will Ken King and friends into changing their business model... ain't gonna happen. I've resigned myself to buckling in and bracing for the 9th place finish. Last year's 2nd half push was exciting, albeit heartbreaking, and besides, the 2012/13 team will likely look quite different.
to be fair, those other 4 teams suck just as much as the flames do. nashville is also very bad.
@Kevin R- as a 1 for 1 deal I don't think you'd have one critic of the Cammi trade. For me, I don't think giving up any prospects or picks at this stage of the game is wise for Calgary.
And people love to bring up that 15% stat for 2nd rounders, but the Cammi trade isn't a one-off thing. How many 2nd rounders has the team traded in the past and we don't have one this year or next.
When you start moving that many 2nd rnd picks, the cumulative effect takes a toll.
January 18 2012, 01:05PM
Lambert doesn't live in Calgary so I dont know if he heard it, but Jarome, in interviews with Dave Rowe at the least (probably more) said (paraphrase) "I'm playing till I am 40, with Calgary. I haven't been told we are rebuilding, but that could change things."
It didn't get a ton of press I dont think, but it struck me as, at the time, Iginla giving the team an out if they wanted to trade him. I guess I was wrong, as the team then went out and started to improve (marginally or otherwise) the roster.
I honestly wouldnt be shocked if they tried to make more moves. I dont know if it is wise, but I wouldnt be shocked.
@lionlager - "It's much more fun than trying to somehow will Ken King and friends into changing their business model... ain't gonna happen."
HAR! Yeah, I've been down that road for awhile now. I think maybe you've got the right idea
Lambert doesn't live in Calgary so I dont know if he heard it, but Jarome, in interviews with Dave Rowe at the least (probably more) said (paraphrase) "I'm playing till I am 40, with Calgary. I haven't been told we are rebuilding, but that could change things."
It didn't get a ton of press I dont think, but it struck me as, at the time, Iginla giving the team an out if they wanted to trade him. I guess I was wrong, as the team then went out and started to improve (marginally or otherwise) the roster.
I honestly wouldnt be shocked if they tried to make more moves. I dont know if it is wise, but I wouldnt be shocked.
....ugh......this team could drop their next 12 in a row and not change. This season will be blame don injuries, just wait. Despite other teams going through the same or worse andCalgary going the last several years realtively injury free that'll be the excuse. "If only we were healthy and had Cammi all year."
Until the fans start to leave ntohing will change.
But appathy is setting in and that's the 1st step.
January 18 2012, 01:16PM
Well that was depressing. I'd still say we got the better player in the aftermath of this latest drama. Just drink the Feaster cool-aid and go for the ride. It's much more fun than trying to somehow will Ken King and friends into changing their business model... ain't gonna happen. I've resigned myself to buckling in and bracing for the 9th place finish. Last year's 2nd half push was exciting, albeit heartbreaking, and besides, the 2012/13 team will likely look quite different.
Drinking the "cool-aid" is a reference to the mass suicide at Jonestown, where many people chose to drink poisoned cool-aid in order to release their souls to be picked up by aliens, or some such nonsense. Many confused/stupid people died, along with some of their children, whom they forced to also drink the cool-aid. It was a bad scene, man.
Drinking the cool-aid is bad. Don't do it.
tbh, I've just accepted the reality that what the owners want is different then what 99% of us want. since we're not writing the cheques, might as well evaluate things based on the thoughts of the guys that do.
if that makes me "part of the problem", so be it. I think it's realistic.
I'm pretty sure the owner want exactly what 100% of us want... namely the Stanley Cup. They just have a different opinion about what the best way to go about that is.
"But let me say that my position has never been, "Well an attempted rebuild will definitely work." But I think it's something that should be tried, because obviously, sticking with a core of guys who are north of 30 isn't getting the job done. If you're not going to make the playoffs, would you rather finish 10th in the West and like 20th in the league or between 13th and 15th/26th and 30th?
I know why I would pick the latter. I'm legitimately interested to see why some people would choose the former."
My answer is simple. I watch hockey to be entertained. Early in the season, we all have hope, rebuilding is irrelevant to my entertainment. Late in the season, it is more entertaining watching the last 20-30 games of a team battling to get in, or playing 1 round, than watching hoping your team loses and knowing you have no hope of making the playoffs.
Outside of those who really get a kick out of watching prospect development, hockey is basically more fun if the team you cheer for is winning.
Supporting a rebuild is basically a time shifting argument. Some are willing to forego some entertainment from hockey now (by having less winnning hockey), in the hope that a team will play way more winning hockey later. I just think the risks of rebuilding make it a bad bet, entertainment wise. Watching a crappy hockey team lose really sucks and the odds are that it won't pay off in the end. If someone handed me a time machine and I could go forward in the future to see that finishing 28th this season would guarantee a Stanley Cup 3 or 4 years from now - sign me up.
I just don't want to bet my current entertainment of watching the Flames at least battle for a playoff spot today against the slim odds they will be dominant later.
I can see how some would place more emphasis on the entertainment value of winning a championship over general competitiveness. Some people like rap music, some country. Continuing to debate the point ad nauseum becomes pointless.
The Harold Ballard Competative Model of Owning a Sports Franchice:
"They sneak into the seven or eight seed, make a million bucks or so a night on the small handful of home dates they receive as they get trampled..."
I remember during the Fletcher years how the ownership had only one real goal. And that was to win a Stanley Cup. Now maybe it is due to the different economic times, or maybe it is due to Murray Edwards having control of the franchise but right now the direction of the team is to be a playoff team. Dont tear down and start over in hopes of getting to the top, just jerry-rig some extra supports to the current structure and hope to keep the same level we are at.
If you are a playoff team the only hope you can sell to fans is the Stanley Cup, and if you cant achieve it then the fanbase tends to become less emotionally attached to the team because it takes the playoff appearances for granted. The Stanley Cup may never be harder to predict or to win than the current NHL model.
However, if you are selling hope to the fans, and that hope is the playoffs you have a much better chance of selling that hope every year. Flames fans now dont take the playoffs for granted, and so if they make it this year, or miss again the hope and focus will still be on making the playoffs next year. From an operations point of view it is easier because you are competing with other mediocer teams for 2-3 spots every year while the cup means going up against the elite and having one chance.
The current Flames model is the cowards way to running a sports franchise and is going to lead the team eventually into a long dark rebuilding phase that could be avoided with a couple of moves to the current core.
Two or three core moves would allow the basis of the team to remain intact which would allow for better integration of new pieces (young players and prospects) and a jump start to their growth as hockey players. The reason that Edmonton has struggled in its rebuilding situation is that all they have done is draft high end young talent. They have not done anything else to supplement their team. They have failed to address their defense and their goaltending. High draft picks are only one phase of a rebuilding project, but done in a vacuum dont lead to success.
Iginla will do his best to play till he is 40 and until he has 600 goals. While I do not doubt his competative fire I would suggest that his competative nature would find reaching 600 goals and playing past the age of 40 with only one franchise to be a greater challenge than going to another team with the hop of winning a Stanley Cup. Iginla could pick a different team every year over the next five years and still never make it back to the Stanley Cup finals. Parity, hot goaltending, and injuries make picking a winner to hard to determine. However, 600 goals in one uniform is something that few else have accomplished and would be a challenge much more within his control.
As long as the team has Iginla they will attempt to get younger, faster, and more skilled through trades, waivers, drafting, and free agency. Every summer they will target a high end free agent to help with PR for the fanbase. They will hope that their draft picks like Reinhart, Ferland, Granland, and Bartschi actually have the talent to make it to the NHL so that they have a second line of young talented players ready to enter their prime when Iginla eventually retires.
Somewhere I read the expression "Feaster is like a dog chasing his tail". I cannot think of a better metaphor for what the Flames organization is working to achieve.
January 18 2012, 02:59PM
Some (maybe many?) posters are making the point of the Flames make-up (players, cap, ect) being totally different next season. Do we know this as fact? I realize that there are alot of contracts coming off the books after this season, but what makes us think that King and Feaster will whip a 180 and not sign these guys again for short term contracts? If they think they are a playoff team now, will ownership make the management re-sign the UFA's to new contracts at this seasons end? What happens at the beginning at free agency and not many NHL quality players are willing to sign with the Flames? Does Feaster go back to the un-signed Flames and give them a new deal?
January 18 2012, 04:25PM
@Bob in the Abbey
The two cherubs say what ownership commands them to say. I realize that. You don't want to hear Edwards talk anyways. He thinks he's Jesus.
@Kevin R- as a 1 for 1 deal I don't think you'd have one critic of the Cammi trade. For me, I don't think giving up any prospects or picks at this stage of the game is wise for Calgary.
And people love to bring up that 15% stat for 2nd rounders, but the Cammi trade isn't a one-off thing. How many 2nd rounders has the team traded in the past and we don't have one this year or next.
When you start moving that many 2nd rnd picks, the cumulative effect takes a toll.
Dont get me wrong, when I heard of the trade, I wondered WTF are we doing giving up Holland & 2nd rounder. But in this particular trade, I really am not sure what kind of pick or prospect could have been scored for Bourque with 4 years left on his contract. I guess that's the hidden variable. But I think perhaps Cammi's value was way undervalued & therefore we got good value on a trade. Thats the key, whatever the trade is, if we are all feeling pretty darn good about what we got in a trade, who cares if its for a pick or prospect or a current top 6 forward. Thats my point. Mooral of the story "Lets be happy anytime Feaster does well on a trade"
Okay, I've said this before, but I'll bring it up again. A while ago I had a discussion here with another commenter about parsing the "rebuild" that the Edmonton Oilers have undergone into two, distinct, categories. The first era of many people's perceived "rebuild" was a team in complete denial of how shallow their depth was and how poor their development had been. That's not a rebuild, folks, that's just called bad management. The second era of this "rebuild" was when that management was forced to the brutal realization of just what they were. And they had, to their credit, the courage to admit it and find opportunity in a string of bad luck and the outcome of a decade of poor decisions.
The Oilers drafted poorly, developed talent with an eye to cost-saving at the expense of many young careers, and was always trying to attract some high-end UFA to keep the fanbase interested and continue feeding off of the emotional connection with the city. In 2009-10 they hit the wall and bad things had to happen. Not unlike the lengths the provincial government in Alberta went to in the early 90s because to carry on status quo was simply untenable. We had to tear it down, make painful decisions, suck up our pride and start over. So, when a pundit, or critic, or analyst (or GM) says that the Oilers have been rebuilding for a decade, they are wrong. Rebuilding teams (the ones that really tear it all down) don't let UFAs walk away, they don't trade away draft picks, and they don't make FA offer sheets. Case in point - the Oilers only had 2 picks in the first 4 rounds in the '08 draft. That is not a rebuilding franchise.
If anyone wants to say that the Oilers were very poorly run, with short-sighted management, up until the middle of the '09-10 season, you won't get any argument from me. The Penner signing was stupid, the Souray signing was a pipe-dream, the failed Heatley trade was the act of a man in denial. But if you want to talk about the Oilers rebuilding, and have a rational, logical discussion as to whether it works, give it some time. The Blackhawks and Penguins both ended up winning a Stanley Cup almost seven years after they started to "rebuild". The Oilers are two and half years in.
I'm not saying every rebuild works. Columbus chose that strategy when they entered the league and they are worse now than they have been at nearly any other time in their brief history. But if you are going to have the discussion, at least frame it around facts. Otherwise it's just opinion and hyperbole, and that can go downhill very quickly.
I understand the reticence amongst Flames fans to follow this plan. I have spoken about it often here. The Flames have sent away more talent than 70% of the teams in the league have seen in Gilmour, Phaneuf, Giguere, St. Louis, Hull, Nieuwendyk and so many others. Their draft record ranks, historically, amongst the worst in the league. And you still have players in key positions that can make a difference. Like I said, I get it. But the discussion surrounding a rebuild in Calgary should centre around Calgary. Not "look at how bad it's going in Edmonton". That is a false, and circular, argument. It states that you can't trust a rebuild because you have to suck to do it and teams that rebuild suck and therefore most rebuilds fail.
I agree with Ryan Lambert, but that doesn't matter. I'm not a Flames fan, so who gives a steaming meadow-muffin what I think. But I would suggest that any discussion exploring the pros and cons of any restructuring of the Flames should follow the lines put forth by Tach, the-wolf, and shutout.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. I just want to clarify the details about the Oilers' rebuild so that they don't stand in the way of a proper discussion about the future of the Flames.
KevinR's "Rebuilding is like a snowflake, there just isnt 2 alike." is bang on.
I hope VF reads this. I like making epic-long posts for his enjoyment!