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Skip to comments.President Obama Signs Executive Order Establishing Council of Governors
Posted on 01/11/2010 7:45:15 PM PST by Pantera
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNORS By the authority vested in me as President by theConstitution and the laws of the United States of America,including section 1822 of the National Defense AuthorizationAct of 2008 (Public Law 110-181), and in order to strengthenfurther the partnership between the Federal Government and Stategovernments to protect our Nation and its people and property,it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Council of Governors.
(a) There is established a Council of Governors (Council).The Council shall consist of 10 State Governors appointed bythe President (Members), of whom no more than five shall be ofthe same political party. The term of service for each Member appointed to serve on the Council shall be 2 years, but a Membermay be reappointed for additional terms.
(b) The President shall designate two Members, whoshall not be members of the same political party, to serve asCo-Chairs of the Council.
Sec. 2. Functions. The Council shall meet at the call of the Secretary of Defense or the Co-Chairs of the Council toexchange views, information, or advice with the Secretary ofDefense; the Secretary of Homeland Security; the Assistant tothe President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism; theAssistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs andPublic Engagement; the Assistant Secretary of Defense forHomeland Defense and Americas' Security Affairs; the Commander,United States Northern Command; the Chief, National GuardBureau; the Commandant of the Coast Guard; and other appropriateofficials of the Department of Homeland Security and theDepartment of Defense, and appropriate officials of otherexecutive departments or agencies as may be designated by theSecretary of Defense or the Secretary of Homeland Security.Such views, information, or advice shall concern:
(a) matters involving the National Guard of the variousStates;
(b) homeland defense;
(c) civil support;
(d) synchronization and integration of State and Federalmilitary activities in the United States; and
(e) other matters of mutual interest pertaining toNational Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.
Sec. 3. Administration.
(a) The Secretary of Defense shall designate an ExecutiveDirector to coordinate the work of the Council.
(b) Members shall serve without compensation for theirwork on the Council. However, Members shall be allowed travelexpenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, asauthorized by law.
(c) Upon the joint request of the Co-Chairs ofthe Council, the Secretary of Defense shall, to theextent permitted by law and subject to the availability ofappropriations, provide the Council with administrative support,assignment or detail of personnel, and information as may benecessary for the performance of the Council's functions.
(d) The Council may establish subcommittees of theCouncil. These subcommittees shall consist exclusively ofMembers of the Council and any designated employees of a Memberwith authority to act on the Member's behalf, as appropriate toaid the Council in carrying out its functions under this order.
(e) The Council may establish a charter that is consistentwith the terms of this order to refine further its purpose,scope, and objectives and to allocate duties, as appropriate,among members.
Sec. 4. Definitions. As used in this order:
(a) the term "State" has the meaning provided inparagraph (15) of section 2 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002(6 U.S.C. 101(15)); and
(b) the term "Governor" has the meaning provided inparagraph (5) of section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford DisasterRelief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122(5)).
Sec. 5. General Provisions.
(a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair orotherwise affect:
(1) the authority granted by law to adepartment, agency, or the head thereof; or
(2) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary,administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistentwith applicable law and subject to the availability ofappropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, createany right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable atlaw or in equity by any party against the United States, itsdepartments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, oragents, or any other person.
THE WHITE HOUSE,January 11, 2010. #
"Probably a monetary collapse or crisis on an Argentina 2002 scale. Thats my guess."
Not a bad guess.. I believe we discussed Argentina a couple of weeks ago.
A friend of mine in KL, Malaysia e mailed me six months ago that most Asian financiers believe Obama is out to destroy the dollar.
"But, how will it look politically? He won't be able to claim the ever important bipartisanship. "
You mean like Obamacare? ;-)
Wonder who pulled the puppet string on this one?
Yes, this is what this implies.
If they subjugate the governors legally then they can countermand anything a governor does, essentially making it impossible for a state to nullify a fed order.
At the same time if they are creating parallel structures of command and control to the ones that already exist then at some point the feds can shut down the existing govt entities and put its own fully-controlled and extra-constitutional infrastructure in to full power.
This is very, very frightening. Smart but completely corrupt.
We need to learn more about this and any other action to set up parallel control structures and state-nullifying measures.
Many Americans came to that conclusion over a year ago.
We'll need a trustworthy and secure method to do this.
It'll take work and serious thought for just how to do it while keeping the privacy of the FReepers intact and somehow not include the trolls...
"a monetary collapse or crisis"
More like Venezuela right now. Devalued currency and a 2 tier exchange rate. already panicked buying going on.
Just my take on it.
He gave that up long ago. It isn't even much of a pretense anymore. He is in full single-party dictator mode and he doesn't much care who knows it. He might even want people to start noticing just how much power he has amassed so quickly.
"Many Americans came to that conclusion over a year ago. "
Myself included. The point being is Obama is not fooling anyone around the world.
As it dawns on the Obamunist regime that it's starting to slip away from them, they will act. Precipitously, dangerously, murderously. Remember who we're dealing with. Remember the pedigree of their ideas. For them, mass murder is merely another instrument of state policy.
And then there is Interpol...hmmmm.
I wouldn't rule it out, for sure. Or possibly an "internal domestic dollar" and and "overseas dollar."
"More like Venezuela right now. Devalued currency and a 2 tier exchange rate. already panicked buying going on."
Most go after the black market rate.
Hmmmmm....5 democrats and 5 RINO's???
My LOL was directed at your "and WTF"...just what I think everytime I see one of these 'orders'...
WTF needs to be a ping list.
One purpose is to end federalism altogether. Replace federal government with national government in principle, attempting to nullify the Tenth Amendment.
This is bad-very very bad.
Strange how this came out the day after the 'union meetings'.
"No. This cannot be permitted."
I am hoping Sarah Palin is willing to voice her views on this, either on her website, Facebook or the remote possibility of it on FOX.
And I wonder what Glenn Beck thinks of this...
An EO only effects departments in the Executive Branch of the gubmint,who work for the Executive, the POTUS. Unless said EO is further acted upon by Congress and made into a law.
Even then the 'Executive', the POTUS, has no authority over any state governor -- nada, zip, zilch, zero. He can't 'appoint' a council, and then said council of ten as in this case, has no authority over the other forty.
So for all intents and purposes he may have well issued an EO on:
A Council of Federal LegislatorsThis *thing* is meaningless and just a tad bit Unconstitutional. So I hope they print it on soft paper for use in all the rest rooms.
or a
Council of Federal Judges
I want to know who took all of Barry's tests in college and law school because this moron sure didn't!
"It will be coordinated at the state level, under the authority of DHS..."
I see. There are no enemy frontlines or enemy camps. So General Doofus of DHS will march his merry band of mass murderers through places like Huntington Beach and kill the children of a few dozen Marine families, and what will Gen. Doofus do when the 1st MarDiv pours out of Camp Pendleton and fighter squadrons from the 3rd MAW are bombing his position? How will Gen. Doofus react when he calls his CP and finds it in flames and his staff hanging from trees?
And let's also assume that the Georgia National Guard will attack...how about Florida? And the Florida National Guard will stand down and watch their families and friends murdered. Of course...
"...integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States".
The stupidest thing Obama ever disclosed was his junvenile wet-dream about the creation of a "defense force" as equally funded as the military. It will never happen because no one would permit it, and the money does not exist to fund it.
This is his fallback strategy. He wants control of the National Guard troops in every state to be able to use them for his own ends without having to worry about those pesky Governors. His is insane, drinking his own kool-aid if he thinks this will come to pass.
I guess it does make it seems as though he is doing something.
obama takes one more step to take complete control of the Country.
One more duck lined up.
When he has everything like he wants it, then he will make his move.
He will then turn pn and begin "preventative" detention of those he considers his political enemies, [who oppose him].
He is relentlessly and methodically moving to complete his agenda. Which is to take cpmplete control of the Nation, including the military.
Everyone who has taken an oath to defend and uphold the Constitution sees with both eyes, even if they are closed, the Constitution being shredded minute by minute by him, yet says nothing.
There won't be a next President.
lighten up sport,there's always hope & light at the end of this tunnel
Don't hold your breath.
Yep! And expect it to be repeated many times in the coming months.
He's trying to get the Governors to drink the kool-aid.
They are going to be really pissed whrn they find themselves on the wrong side of the barb wire. For a while, then they won't be anything but dead.
5 RINO governors, no doubt.
I'm gonna go apply for an FID card now, while I still have a chance.
"The 3 million are organized, the 90 million are not organized."
Ever try to hit a swarm of bees? An organized army can be defeated because they can be identified.
Hmmmmm....5 democrats and 5 RINO's???
Try 5 demonrats and 5 "progress"ives
"Satrap".....a subordinate ruler or governor.
don't trust 'em bump
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By: Kitty Werthmann
What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.
I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote. I've never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.
In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.
Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn't want to work; there simply weren't any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.
The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.
We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.
We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.
After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.
Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn't support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.
Hitler Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:
Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler's picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang "Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles," and had physical education.
Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.
My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn't do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.
Equal Rights Hits Home:
In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn't have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.
Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack.
I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.
Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government.. The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology.
By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.
Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:
Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna. After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn.
There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.
As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn't meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.
We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.
"Mercy Killing" Redefined:
In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.
As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.
The Final Steps - Gun Laws:
Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.
No more freedom of speech.
Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.
Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria .
Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.
After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria . Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn't destroy, they burned. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn't, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.
"It's true..those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.
America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away
"After America , There is No Place to Go"
My thoughts also.
2 years to get it up and running.
I seem to remember during the election he said something about bringing the troops back and stationing them in major cities. The mask is coming off and the iron rule of a dictator inches forward.
What happens that day when have 46-47 Republican Governors???
"Ever try to hit a swarm of bees? An organized army can be defeated because they can be identified."
that worked well for the iraqi army a few years back...
For pesky bees I usually use directed smoke at dusk -— followed by some DDT ... seems to be effective.
The toadies among the governors will line up for this appointment. They will understand it for what it is - a naked power grab from the people. Elections can be rowdy, ending elections brings peace and guarantees those in power remain there.
Why would they have to make nuke threats when the can just use the real thing? Maoist do not care how many die... It isn't so much about controlling the population as about destroying the US.
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Robin Brownlee
July 30 2012 12:10AM
When July began I complimented Edmonton Oilers GM Steve Tambellini for doing some nice work, mostly of the housekeeping variety, this off-season but suggested there was more to do. As August approaches, we're still waiting on that.
Landing former Anaheim Duck property and UFA defenseman Justin Schultz made for some justified excitement with the fans on the heels of the selection of Nail Yakupov at the Entry Draft, but everybody with a functioning brain stem realizes there is more to do – specifically, putting the right players in a package that will land the Oilers another top four defenseman.
That won't happen by tossing spare parts at a GM – the Spin-o-rama shootout guy from Sweden, Corey Potter and a box of tape. It'll take a top-six forward (Sam Gagner), one of the four or so bottom-pairing caliber defensemen the Oilers have looking for a roster spot and a prospect. In other words, a deal that sends out two of three bodies and returns only one. This, we know.
It'll mean identifying the right defenseman and picking up the phone willing to part with a player who has real value from a depth position to get a player of value where the depth remains questionable. Does Tambellini, who I recall saying more than once this off-season he intends to change the complexion of the team, most likely by trade, have the wherewithal to pull it off?
Again, I don't have a problem giving Tambellini credit where it's due, but if you look through his portfolio as Edmonton's GM, is there a trade that stands out to you as a big bang win for the Oilers – a put-it-together transaction that was both ballsy and smart? I don't.
No time like the present . . .
. . . So, according to an item Saturday by Jonathan Willis, "Linus Omark believes he'll be an NHLer in 2012-13." I "believe" I'll be on the cover of GQ Magazine in 2012-13 as well. That doesn't mean there's a chance in hell of that happening, but I'm certainly free to believe it might.
Perhaps, as Willis pointed out, something actually was lost in the translation – like the part about the over/under on NHL GMs who'd have even the slightest interest in the one-trick Swede (and Omark isn't even all that prolific at his one trick) is probably two, and those are maybes.
. . . Shane Doan is a helluva player and is leader of men, but if he's expecting a four-year contract for $30 million at the age of 35 to leave Phoenix, he won't have to worry about the need for a moving van unless there's an NHL owner out there who has fallen down the stairs and hit his head in recent days.
Sorry, but $7.5 million a year for Doan at this point in his career would be an over pay of biblical proportions. I get it that Doan wants to cash in on his final contract and that Jason Strudwick is a Kamloops alum, a former teammate and a friend, but listening to him trying to justify how Doan is worth a tall stack like that on Jason Gregor's show Friday made me squirm.
. . . If Tambellini doesn't get anything done in the way of adding another top four defenseman, I see the roster as it stacks up now missing the playoffs but finishing ahead of the Calgary Flames in the standings for the first time in a decade (I had this discussion on Twitter the other day) in 2012-13.
Aided by the new software I acquired for the Bronte 5000, my best guess is the Flames (90 points in 2011-12) will drop off by five points or so, putting them in or around 85 points. I see the Oilers (74 points in 2011-12) improving by 12-15 points, putting them in the range of 89. They'll come up short of a post-season berth for the seventh straight year but finish ahead of the Flames.
. . . If you look at the Twitter rankings of people covering the NHL and combine MSM types with bloggers, Eklund rates third behind only Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger of TSN in terms of followers. One of these three is not like the others . . .
Listen to Robin Brownlee Wednesdays and Thursdays from 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. on the Jason Gregor Show on TEAM 1260.
July 30 2012, 12:20AM
Ek is just like Bob and Darren, its just that the two work for TSN and get the backing of MSM. But all three of their rumour accuracy is at 2%.
I hope the Oilers make a trade before the beggining of the season, but I highly doubt it.
@Robin You related to Jack, as in Nicholson?
I think it's obvious that Tambo doesn't have the stones to pull off a notable trade. I'm pretty sure the not awful ones that have passed his way (POS for Jimmy VDM, for instance) were someone else's idea.
However, now that Mac T is on board, I think that adds some spice to things.
I can see either Gagner + for a top d, or Whitney (with a medical report and a games played conditional) and pick/parts getting us a replacement / younger mid level d. Does anyone on the Oilers management have the stones to offer our first, a roster player and a prospect? No, probably not. I'd be surprised if they have the wherewithal to get a mid level pick for shipping MVP to a team needing to make the cap floor. I love my copper and blue, but this management team just doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to make hard choices and risky calls. Not saying we need Burke, but when Katz fires Tambo, it will be a happy day.
@Eddie Edmonton
do you watch TSN? McKenzie and Dreger are actually plugged in with insiders in the NHL. They have actual phone conversations,texts, and emails with people inside NHL organizations. Everything I've seen or heard from and about Eklund is he throws everything including the kitchen sink against the wall and sees what sticks.
July 30 2012, 01:30AM
Since it takes two to tango is it possible that our GM has not yet found a team willing to part with a valuable commodity like a top 2 defenceman? I am not a Tambo-apologist but his lack of success on the trade front may not be his fault. I think that if we enter next season with the present line-up, knowing that prospects like Musil and der bomber are a year away, well, it won't be that bad. Not having Hasbeenbulin stinking for 40 games(if DD is for real) will help our present D immensely.
July 30 2012, 01:48AM
@Eddie Edmonton
Pardon my language.
But Holy SHlT you are SOOOOO wrong
July 30 2012, 03:37AM
Good read RB
I really think the Oilers are done for the summer, I don't see them improving the club much beyond as you see it now.
I think the Oiler's don't want to do anything till the CBA is completed which should take them close to the start of the season, by that time it maybe to late to really complete anything they really need on the trade front anyways.
A couple things are bugging me, why only one year deal for Samwise? Is it because they want to see if he takes the next step? Is it because the Oilers want a 1-B option instead of a 2nd line center option? A Lazar –Mackinnon - Barkov - Shinkaruk – Monahan are all extremely good draft options to be front line players and all are centers.
If the Oilers are on a five year plan, as been mentioned by the Oilers then I'm sure it's also backed by Katz, So it would make sense the Oilers try and get the most out of players like Gagner, Hemsky and Whitney this year to up there trade value come next year or for Whitney at the trade deadline.
So with Klefbom coming next year, it make more sense to use players like Gagner, Hemsky, Whitney next year to go after that top defensemen and the other pieces the Oilers need.
If the Oilers are intent on sticking to there plan, then I don't see the Oilers or Tambellini making a ballsy trade anytime soon. I see a bottom 8 team with a shot at a really great player and the pieces need to move for Weber.
There's always next year.
July 30 2012, 04:00AM
Eklund is like WWE - everyone knows it's fake but it's entertaining.
Not entertaining for me though, I can't stand either.
July 30 2012, 04:02AM
@Walter Sobchak
You working night shift or just up ridiculously late?
July 30 2012, 04:14AM
@ Max
Ha, Night shift at the hall.
With the cap being bumped up to $70M, no one has a dire need to free up cap space and trade quality for quantity. You would have to overpay to get that defenceman, and one-dimensional smurf centers aren't worth that much so Gagner doesn't give you much of a starting point to build that overpayment.
July 30 2012, 05:42AM
@Walter Sobchak
Right on. Good to see a fellow shift worker here at ON. I take it the hall means firehall? Regardless, if you're being paid to comment here then it must be a good gig.
July 30 2012, 05:50AM
Yep,it's a really good gig. How about yourself?
July 30 2012, 06:55AM
Robin this is a hellava read thanks ...but i worry about how feckless our GM really is...
you did say..."Does Tambellini, who I recall saying more than once this off-season he intends to change the complexion of the team, most likely by trade, have the wherewithal to pull it off?..." i say nooooooooooooooo!!!
...he obviously has no balls so how on earth could this highly sophisticated instrument be of any use at all...now if we're talking balls? there isn't a GM with bigger testicles than Paul Holmgren...our ditherer needs to resign ...period
I would pay Doan 7.5 a yr.
For two years that is, and two more at 2.5. Or 20 over 4.
July 30 2012, 07:33AM
Doan has been a terrific player who brings more dimensions than his numbers. I don't see why he should be the ONLY player who has had the career he has not to try to cash in, but four years? No chance. No way. I'd be in your neighborhood as far as cap hit, but just for two years ($10M).
July 30 2012, 08:04AM
@Walter Sobchak
Plant Operator. Good gig as well and sure as hell better be if they expect me to stay awake all damn night.
@Robin - that props was from me for making me lol with the bong comment. You really do have a way with words.
Good read Robin. As for the eklund thing, I liken him to the National Enquirer or the Sun ( periodical not newspaper) that you see at the grocery store. You know that two headed monkey boy raised in Arkansas by lesbian sisters is not real but it is hard not to read while you are just standing in line behind the old lady with her change purse. Same as hockeybuzz, no real truth, just a funny read while killing time in a slow summer.
Your take on a trade seems dead on, depressing as that is for fans (since WHA days) like me.
Robin, any idea what "the plan" might be? If D take longer to develop, either the rebuild is proceeding backwards (getting forwards first), or "the plan" seems to rely on many astute trades moving forward (wildly optimistic with this GM). Also, the wunderkids' entry contracts expire eventually.
Any thoughts/guesses?
As difficult as this is to say, I think Eklund was on top of the Weber offer sheet - so he's just one forecast away from being as reliable as a stopped clock.
As for bringing in a decent dman - how about Coliacovo? He's UFA, I believe.
Cue posts about QC, relCorsi and more on Carlo...
July 30 2012, 08:20AM
problem with trying to trade for a top 4 d-man is would he stay here? you give up a top 6 forward from the roster, a lesser d-man and a prospect not named Klefbom for him, and he asks for a trade out of here a year later? that's what i always worry about! meanwhile, we let maybe Gagner, perhaps Tuebert and Marincin or a 2nd rounder go and end up not being able to keep top 4 d-man. for me it's pretty risky!
and when Doan said he wanted as much money and years as he did at his age, he basically told the world he didn't want to leave Phoenix. (i honestly don't understand his loyalty to that franchise given the constant turmoil there and the fact i don't see them winning a cup in the next 4 or 5 years!)
would i pay Doan too much for too many years at his age? hell no!! but the owners may not be so bright, and if things go sour for Doan in Phoenix, if an owner thinks he's the last piece of the puzzle for a chance to win a cup (Rangers anyone? Nash, then Doan?), he might get what he wants contract wise. just my 4 cents!
If the Oil can finish with 89 points with the current roster, maybe a trade or two can be made mid-season or near the deadline that could put the team over the top? Something like what happened in 2006?
Would Jason Arnott be interested in coming back to Edmonton on a 2 year deal? If Sam gets packaged for a top 4 D-man, we will need a big solid center. Arnott would fit the bill and could likely be had for a reasonable price. He could fill the gap until some of the prospects are ready to make the jump.
If we trade gagner who's our second line centre, it'd be suicide on Hall's shoulder to put him at center now and I sure as hell don't want Horc playing that role, the only other option you have to trade for a top 4 d-man is Hemsky and he's way under valued now you sell high and buy low by sell low and buy high, with the roster they have now you have to hold steady, you can trade Hemsky at the deadline if he's healthy but you have to have a replacement at second centre to trade Gagner or your creating another whole in the lineup, at least on d we have some big name prospects that should turn out a couple top four d who do we have at centre
July 30 2012, 09:50AM
I personally think Tambellini lacks the understanding of how to showcase players for a trade. A 29th place team like we had last year later in the season was a perfect time to bring up an Omark or even a Paajarvi for that matter and get them some top 6 min's. Pump up those tires and then pull a trade off.. As it stands he lowered the value of these players even more by not bringing them up when he could of.
Also Treenas'oil reported that a GM from the East told Tambellini that he overvalues his players... Not sure if true but that would make some sense in light of no movement.
Would Jason Arnott be interested in coming back to Edmonton on a 2 year deal? If Sam gets packaged for a top 4 D-man, we will need a big solid center. Arnott would fit the bill and could likely be had for a reasonable price. He could fill the gap until some of the prospects are ready to make the jump.
That is an interesting thought. I think at this point Gagner > Arnott, but if Gagner goes I sure don't want Horc as the 2nd line centre. If they trade Gagner, I sure hope that they have a plan to replace him before the season starts.
Maybe he doesn't trust his PRO scouts enough. On the surface anyway, this aspect of the organization seems to be lacklustre.
July 30 2012, 10:23AM
Arnott is not 2nd line center material anymore. Sure hes big but he doesnt provide enough offense.
I'm still in the trade Hemsky if you can get value for him (ahead of Gagner)
If you are dealing Gags then not only do you need to bring in that D but you need to get someone to replace Gags. Seems entirely too difficult for Tambo.
I would like Tambellini to trade the 1st round pick for next year. I would expect that pick to have a lot of value considering the previous three seasons, and it would also make a statement to the fans and the team, saying the rebuild is over and it's time to win.
July 30 2012, 10:47AM
Robin, Are the Boston Bruins a team with their ..um ... finger in the ringer for the 2013-2014 season in terms of cap issues? They already have $42.8 million committed. For 42.8 mil they have exactly ZERO goaltenders signed, six defencemen under contract including a "Torey Krug" (whoever he is) and eight forwards.
Presumably, Rask will be able hold them for ransom and will be looking for at least a $5 to $6 million paycheque. Even with Tim "El Presidente" Thomas' salary off the books, they need a decent backup - $2 million or so.
You need to add 6 forwards including RFAs Lucic ($5 mil?) / Marchand ($4 mil?) / Seguin ($5.5 mil?) and consider UFA Horton or a healthy replacement ($4.5 mil?). Add two serviceable forwards and two decent D-men for a total of another $6 million a year. Add it all up and you are looking at a 2013 season with a proposed cap hit of $75.8 mil for the Bruins. This does include Savard who will likely be an insurance issue and his $4 million cap hit goes away (I assume), but that leaves another body on the roster that will need to be replaced.
While there is no need for Boston to panic until a CBA is ratified, to me they are very vulnerable. While Lucic would likely be an "untouchable" under normal circumstances, would their salary situation force Boston to look at a move to add some lower cost, younger talent? Lucic is a guy I would over pay for in terms of trade or RFA offer sheet, especially given the Oilers current make up. Is he available in this scenario - assuming the salary cap does not leap next year?
July 30 2012, 10:48AM
I don't mind Eklund, he's always entertaining to read, throws out a lot of "theories" and is more likely to be closer to
I say work out a trade with Buffalo and get a defenseman and Stafford back.
July 30 2012, 10:52AM
I don't mind Eklund, he's always entertaining to read, throws out a lot of "theories" and is more likely to be closer to less than 1% correct.
He also throws out what he hears alot, but I'm guessing he hears alot of voices.
July 30 2012, 10:52AM
I am ok with them trading the 1st round pick if it brought back a good asset witha good contract that will be part of the team today and in the future.
I would not part with that pick easily in order to signal the rebuild is over........but right now that pick's value is probably at an all time high. 3 years of first overall and most teams thinking we will have a modest improvement year over year. A strong draft year.
The funny thing is, my preferance if we were trading it would be to go for another skilled young centreman. I think our D looks like it will sort it self out in the next couple of years. Obviously if we could steal a young top pairing Dman on their entry level deal that changes everything but other then that I would be looking at a 2/3 line centre. Who knows what wil happen with Gagner when his contract is up. Does Horc resign at the typical cost of a 3rd or 4th line centre?
July 30 2012, 10:53AM
Looking back over the last 3 summers, the most recent summer was by far the most successful. Landing Schultz may be the equivalent of having 2 lotto picks to insert into your lineup in the fall. I'd hoped Edmonton could manage to land 6 lotto picks over a 4 yr span, the addition of Justin has us only one off that pace.
With 6 lotto selections (over that span), hopefully 3 or 4 turn into the impact players you'd hope to get in those positions is enough of a start considering the scorched earth rebuild path that was chosen.
With the pillars of blueliners all locked into new deals it's time to go after a 1B type blueliner. I'm hoping the Oilers would be looking in the direction of a Tyler Myers or an Erik Gudbranson (Shea Weber jr) as targets.
Honestly, is TAmbelini, REALLY the G.M. of this team? I understand there are sign offs, etc. but is he really the quy thats the got the vision for building this team and makes timely decisions on matters that need change. Or, is he the front man for the beloved Lowe who was being slaughtered by the fans and continues to play the GM behind the scenes.?? They could be running this thing totally by committee,[includes Katz] so there is no real ownership on the calls that are being made.
July 30 2012, 11:16AM
Ive been chewing on this idea for a while but why not bring in mike commodore to play some D for us? He's a local boy with a ton of experience (including playoffs). He's only 33 and could probably be had for a cool million or so. I know he won't bring all the answers but could be another veteran mentor for the young up and coming defense in the system. I know I'd take his services right now over potter, chorney and Peckham any day. Thoughts?
With top4 D in such a high demand, the cost of one could cripple the Oilers rebuild. Why do the Oilers do this, to justify some peoples fantasy the Oilers will make the playoffs this season if they do. The Oilers have too many other holes to fill before the fans can start believing that.
Tambo has said their going to build through the draft and he's stayed the course. What make's people think he's going to change now.
I can see the argument for the oilers not being a playoff team next season, but realistically they should be. Just adding wins by subtraction should be significant. The way I see it and I think a lot can agree is that by getting rid of cam barker we can expect 3 more wins over the season(keeping the number low and attainable). Also by giving Dubnyk 12 more starts after Christmas, obviously cutting down 12 starts to khabibulin in the process, gives the oilers 5 more wins using math alone(Dubnyk 50% win percentage to nicks 5%). That's 8 wins with addition by subtraction. Now you add yak and justin, and improvement by the kids and subtract veteran slow down and factor in healthier Hemsky and Whitney and factor in some injuries and change in coaching style, I am sure that ends up in more wins. I would put that number at 3-5 with higher upside. So we added 11 wins and 22 points, and I didn't even mention the amount of 1 goal games that could have went our way.
I know this sounds over simplifying but it does make sense to me and I don't see us not fighting for that playoff spot come February-April next year.
Over an 82 Game schedule - the Oilers may be hard pressed to make the playoffs with the current roster and the continued growing pains for some of the squad.
In a lockout shortened season and the Oilers getting out to a strong start just might give them a playoff birth. One thing going for this roster is that there isn't such a huge turnover. 75% of the team is the same that helps in a short season.
Honestly, is TAmbelini, REALLY the G.M. of this team? I understand there are sign offs, etc. but is he really the quy thats the got the vision for building this team and makes timely decisions on matters that need change. Or, is he the front man for the beloved Lowe who was being slaughtered by the fans and continues to play the GM behind the scenes.?? They could be running this thing totally by committee,[includes Katz] so there is no real ownership on the calls that are being made.
I think not. Love him or hate him, Kevin Lowe was a very aggressive GM who wasn't afraid to make a splash and make moves. The movements since Steve Tambellini came to town are modest and conservative by comparison. This is Tambellini's team, and if it succeeds this year we can give him (and Stu) the credit.
Look what Lowe did to this franchise, he drove it into the ground and made it the laughing stock of the NHL. Do you want to go that route again, just hoping to make the playoffs every year. Or do you want to have a contender for the cup.
July 30 2012, 12:27PM
Look what Lowe did to this franchise, he drove it into the ground and made it the laughing stock of the NHL. Do you want to go that route again, just hoping to make the playoffs every year. Or do you want to have a contender for the cup.
I dont think he ever even mentioned anything about not having tambellini. Directly or implied.
I would like Tambellini to trade the 1st round pick for next year. I would expect that pick to have a lot of value considering the previous three seasons, and it would also make a statement to the fans and the team, saying the rebuild is over and it's time to win.
Sam Pollock who won more Cups than anyone once said "never make a trade unless you know what your giving up".
There is a good possibility you will be trading away a lottery pick.
You better be getting a top player under contract for a long time for that.
Keep you draft picks .Trade redundant players.Gagner, Hemsky one of the many 6-8 d-men.
July 30 2012, 12:31PM
Have the Oil given any thought to UFA Michal Rozsival? I read something on this site about it probably 6-8 weeks ago, and haven't heard much since.
I feel like he's a proven #4 D-man with probably three good years left in him. Perhaps slide him in to compensate for the development of Klefbom and Marincin? I have no insider info, but I bet he could be had for 3.5 x 3 years. I'd do it.
I'm not a Tambellini fan, but let's be fair. There are plenty of teams out there that need something, particulary the same things that the Oilers are looking for: defensemen and size upfront. Not alot of movement going on around the league.
Let's not forget that a team like Detriot with a much better GM haven't been able to make any significant changes through free agency or trade.
I think the Oilers being a 29th place team last year is a false narrative as they had more injuries to their top 11 than almost any other team. In fact the only teams that had the same level of top guy injuries were Columbus, Minnesota, Calgary, St. Louis, Buffalo and Pittsburgh. I feel if the Oilers had an average amount of injuries they would have been around 25th place. If you look at all the teams in the Pacific, they all were incredibly healthy. What would San Jose's record been if Courture and Pavelski missed 20 games each? I look at their last 20 games of the season (11 of which were without Hall) and while they weren't playing their best, the only bad games they had were the games against LA and the Canucks (who I think based on the playoffs might have been the two best teams in the league) and the stinker against Montreal.
For that reason I don't think they are as far from the playoffs as most people. I believe if Kreuger is a good hire, Dubnyk is at worse a top 20 goalie, Whitney is reasonably healthy and the team has at worse average health they are a top 20 team. I know those are big ifs, but at least 20 other teams would have the seem ifs. I would still hope they could get another top 5 dman and then I think they have a legit shot at a playoff spot.
If they are in the top 20, then that should mean there will be some teams below them for the first time in years for them maybe pick up the size up front or a valuable dman during the season. A team like New Jersey has lots of guys in the last year of their contracts and in need of draft picks, is a team I would keep my eye on.
July 30 2012, 12:50PM
Sam Pollock who won more Cups than anyone once said "never make a trade unless you know what your giving up".
There is a good possibility you will be trading away a lottery pick.
You better be getting a top player under contract for a long time for that.
Keep you draft picks .Trade redundant players.Gagner, Hemsky one of the many 6-8 d-men.
I dont think you know what Redundant means.
Sam Gagner is not redundant in this lineup no matter how you look at it.
July 30 2012, 01:00PM
You say "Trade redundant players.Gagner, Hemsky one of the many 6-8 d-men"
I am just curious how you see Gagner as redundant. If Yak, Ebs, and Hemmer all decided to stay on the right side then I could see Hemsky.
I agree with a package including one or even 2 of Teubert, Peckam, Sutton, Potter or Fedun.
I am just wondering how on a team as thin as us at center you could have your 2nd line centre as redundant. Who replaces him?
Would we actually be looking at Nuge, Horcoff, Belanger, and one of Lander/Vandevelde as our centres?


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Fame was preceded in death by his parents; wife, Tressie; five sisters, three brothers; an infant son; two sons-in-law; an infant grandchild and three infant great-grandchildren. He is survived by his brothers, Owen, Danny and Allan Price; a sister, Dora Price Fautin; sons, Darrel and Louise Price, Clawson; Bud and Maria Price, St. George; Vern "Johnny" and Nancy Binder, Tacoma, Wash.; daughters, Ellen Larue Jensen Remington, West Valley City; Betty Jean and Keith Eatough, Elko, Nev.; 24 grandchildren, numerous great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren.
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PRICE-Harold Andrew Nelson, age 80, passed away Sept. 4, 2003 in Price. He was born Dec. 19, 1922 in Rochester to Stanley Christian and Florence Cary Nelson. Married Helen Virginia Lee, Aug. 1, 1943 in Bend, Ore.
He was a longtime resident of Emery and Carbon counties where he graduated from Carbon High School in 1941. Served in the US Army in the European Theatre during World War II. Graduate of Carbon College, where he played on the championship football team in 1947. In 1982 Harold retired from Utah Power & Light Carbon Plant.
Harold was active in Kiwanis and he enjoyed coaching the Price Kiwanis Little League and the Carbon Plant softball teams. He was an avid hunter, fisherman, camper and he also enjoyed farming and gardening.
Survived by his wife, Helen Nelson, Price; two sons and two daughters, Gary (Gaylene) Nelson, Helper; Lee (Mary) Nelson, Salt Lake City; DeLynne Nelson, Price; Colleen (Stan) Pestotnik, Salt Lake City; brother, Stanley E. "Ted" Nelson, Salt Lake City; sister, Cary Ellen Davis, Huntsville; nine grandchildren and six great-grandchildren.
Preceded in death by parents, two sisters and three brothers.
Funeral services will be held Sept. 9 at 11 a.m. at Mitchell Funeral Home. Family will be at Mitchell's one hour prior to service. Friends are welcome at Mitchell's daily. Interment, Cliffview Cemetery.
CASTLE DALE-Stena Pearl Bott Barton, born Oct. 18, 1915 in Castle Dale to Carl Christian and Mette Kjristena Petersen Bott. She passed away Sept. 2, 2003 at Castleview Hospital in Price. She graduated from Central High School in 1933 and has been a lifelong resident of Castle Dale. She taught music for many years and had hundreds of students each of them becoming just as though they were one of her own. Many will still remember her telling them to "practice every day." She was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and was a member of the Castle Dale Second ward. She held many callings including serving a mission in the Northwestern States Mission. She has also been a member of the Castle Dale Senior Citizens including the RSVP Program, and a friend of the Daughters of the Utah Pioneers. She married Warren Edson Barton in the Manti Temple. Together they served a temple mission at the Manti Temple for many years.
She is survived by her children: Warren Karl (Marcia) Barton, Stena Carol (Robert) Riding, Quinn Bott (Gayle) Barton, and son-in-law Randy Kim (Jill) Grover. She was extremely proud and loved her 23 grandchildren and 30 great-grandchildren who lovingly called her "Grandma Great." She is also survived by many nieces, nephews and friends. She was preceded in death by her parents, four brothers, husband and daughter Barbara Pearl Grover.
Funeral services were held at the Castle Dale Stake Center on Sept. 5. Interment in the Castle Dale City Cemetery under the direction of Fausett Mortuary.
TABER, Alberta - Wilma R. Marshall Aberneathy, devoted wife of Buryl T. Aberneathy, passed away peacefully Aug. 28, 2003 at the age of 86 years. Her last weeks were spent in the loving care of her husband, Buryl; her daughter, Ellen Conrad; and the generous staff at the Taber Active Care and Continuing Care Hospital.
Wilma was born Jan. 9, 1917 in Huntington, the 10th of 15 children born to John W. and Martha E. Marshall. When Wilma was 8 years old, her father was killed in a mining accident. She was also preceded in death by her mother and 12 of 15 brothers and sisters.
Wilma and Buryl were married April 8, 1939 in Palo Alto, Calif. A few years later, they moved to Canada. From 1942-1986, Wilma and Buryl lived in Ottawa, Ontario, where she leaves behind many wonderful friends and acquaintances. In 1986, they moved to Lethbridge, Alberta, where she established great ties within her community. In 1997, Wilma and Buryl, moved to Taber to be closer to their daughter and her family. In March 2003, she moved to the Taber Continuing Care Hospital and enjoyed being closer to her husband, Buryl.
In April 2003, Wilma and Buryl Aberneathy celebrated their 64th wedding anniversary. As active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, they served two missions at the temple in Washington, D.C.
Along with her husband, she is survived by her devoted daughter, Ellen May Aberneathy Conrad, and son-in-law, John Conrad. She will be greatly missed by her four loving grandchildren, Paul (Natalie) Conrad, Christine (Kevin) Paquette, Caleb Conrad and Elizabeth Conrad. Her great-grandchildren, who were honored to know her are Thomas Paquette, Bethany Conrad, Jay Paquette, Luke Paquette, Savannah Conrad and Kathryn Conrad. She also leaves behind her sisters, Leah Jones and Neva Lake of Utah; three sisters-in-law, Lila, Beverly and Reva; numerous nieces and nephews.
Funeral service was held Sept. 2, at the LDS Chapel in Taber. Interment, Taber Cemetery under the direction of Christensen Salmon Funeral Home.
If friends so desire, a memorial tribute may be made to Taber Hospital Foundation, Continuing Care, 4326-50 Avenue, Taber, Alberta, T1G 1N9.
ORANGEVILLE-Our beloved Merene Redd Humphrey, 91, passed away Sept. 2, 2003 in Ferron. She was born April 15, 1912 in Grayson (Blanding) to Parley and Ruth Hurst Redd. She married Wilford Mark Humphrey in the Manti Temple on June 20, 1945. He passed away Dec. 30, 1991.
Merene enjoyed netting, visiting with people, teaching students homemaking skills, and canning. She was an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where she held many positions. She held various positions in the American Legion Auxiliary, Clique Club, and Daughters of the Utah Pioneers. Merene also served two missions for the LDS Church.
She is survived by her children: Lorraine (Jay) Frandsen of Castle Dale; Jewelle Roberts of Salt Lake City; Kristine (Dwayne) Story, Jay Mark (Joy Lynn) Humphrey, both of Orangeville; 17 grandchildren; and seven great-grandchildren; She is also survived by a sister Jacqueline Wilson of Salt Lake City; two brothers, Dale (Maurine) Redd of Ogden and Kent Redd of Blanding. She was preceded in death by her parents, husband, and infant son, three brothers and one sister.
Funeral services were held Sept. 6 in the Orangeville Ward Chapel. Interment in the Orangeville Cemetery.
ORANGEVILLE - Glenna Patricia "Pat" Huntington, age 56, passed away peacefully Aug. 29, 2003 at her home in Orangeville, leaving her burdens behind.
She was born June 17, 1946 in Price to Owen D. and Glenna A. Cox Price. She married Wick F. Huntington in Orangeville, later divorced.
She obtained her LPN certification and worked for a short time at the Ferron Nursing Home.
She enjoyed music, crocheting and reading.
She is survived by her two daughters, Melissa and Richard Scheaffer, Providence; Melanie and Lance Robinson, Afton, Wyo.; five grandchildren, Olivia and Isabella Scheaffer; Randi, Sydney and Kaden Robinson; brother, David Price; and sisters, Kathy Ockey and Connie Wickman. She was preceded in death by her mother.
Graveside services were held Sept. 3, at the Ferron Cemetery under the direction of Fausett Mortuary.


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Who made who? Kessel and Lupul
Cam Charron
March 05 2012 04:55PM
Any time that I get to link to an AC/DC song that hasn't been royally corrupted by my 16-year old sister singing AC/DC's Rock Band track pack, you have to take it. I suppose the other reason for writing this post is that I've been very critical of the play of one Joffrey Lupul this season. I believe that much of his success is hollow and pushed by the play of Phillip Kessel Jr., a superior player in all three zones.
In an attempt to prove anything here, I ditched the fancy numbers and looked back through video of each of the even strength, non empty-net goals scored by both Lupul (13) and Kessel (22) this season.
But first, turn on the song. Not so much that I'm a big AC/DC fan, but this will set the thematic tone for the post. You could even make the argument that Lupul is as stale and generic and as one-dimensional as AC/DC. He's the verse-chorus-verse-chorus-guitar solo-chorus-verse-chorus of hockey players:
Let's start this up. I first looked at where these players goals have come from. While I've read in the comments section a bunch that these players create a lot of goals off the rush, I wanted to find a bit of proof. I don't have a point of reference, but here are the numbers:
KESSEL - 13 goals off the rush, or 59.1% of total EV goals, 9 off possession
LUPUL - 7 goals off the rush, or 53.8% of total EV goals, 6 off possession
How I made the link was whether or not there was a clear play made in the defensive or neutral zone leading up to the goal. For each goal off the rush, I tracked who the main puck-carrier was in the neutral zone, whether it be Kessel, Lupul or Tyler Bozak.
I saw a lot of plays like this:
Or this:
The reason is because Phil Kessel is a real good hockey player, and Joffrey Lupul is just sort of average. Here are the total numbers for goals off the rush:
|Kessel Carry
|Lupul Carry
|Bozak Carry
|Kessel Goal
|Lupul Goal
Not to say this is anything definitive, but Kessel has been more adept at creating offence for both himself and his linemate this season. Kessel turns a lot more pucks around in the defensive and neutral zones and drives them forward. This is reflected in the fact that Kessel has the highest Corsi number on the Leafs among forwards with 60 games (I lied, I did use some fancy numbers) and I think the guy is developing into a two-way player that a lot of people don't see just yet.
But if Brian Burke is intent on holding onto a player with a career-high shooting percentage this summer rather than selling him when his value is at the highest, that's his worry. I really, really don't think that Lupul is anything more than average offensively and he's pretty bleak in his own end.
Powerplay goals, goals off of offensive zone faceoffs, goals created by a teammate off the rush or empty net goals account for 72% of Joffrey Lupul's goal total this year, and just 50% of Kessel's. Of course, it isn't breaking news that Kessel is a better player, but I think it's a pretty stark difference. Lupul is taking advantage of a real good situation in Toronto, and Burke may be better off selling high for a real good young forward from Ontario.
March 05 2012, 07:26PM
I've stated that I think Lupul will score less from now until the end of his contract than he has this season.
DOWN WITH BOZAK... to the third line.
One thing worth noting is that getting the puck to Kessel in the neutral zone seems to be a deliberate strategy on the part of the Leafs. He's much less likely to pass the puck in the neutral zone than his linemates are (or so my memory tells me). So one of the reasons we may see so many goals coming on rushes where Kessel carries the puck into the zone is that the team deliberately adopts a strategy to make that happen. Now, that could be because he really is better at creating offense (I'd certainly say he's a better skater than Lupul or Bozak), but it could also be for other reasons (to draw defenders away, because it gives Phil confidence, etc.).
March 05 2012, 10:30PM
Kessel is a pretty great passer and he's been a lot more aggressive in pushing back the defence with his speed. This creates opportunities for guys skating into space.
This is one of the dumbest posts you've ever come out with. If you watched more than just the play that resulted in goals, you would see that Lupul is a much better overall player, and most of the possession that line gets is caused by the forecheck of either him or Bozak, something Kessel simply doesn't do. Anyone who's watched Leaf games this year would know that, but let's just use convenient stats to make a moot point.
March 06 2012, 06:57AM
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March 06 2012, 06:58AM
DOWN WITH BOZAK... to the third line.
As I read through this, I definitely thought it said more about Tyler Bozak than Joffrey Lupul.
March 06 2012, 07:00AM
A moot point? I didn't know that saying Kessel is the better player would be so controversial. It's cut and dry and 200% of people who have a clue would agree that it's a fact.
"convenient stats"? Yes, watching the goals is such dastardly manipulation of stats.
March 06 2012, 07:09AM
While I agree that Kessel is the better player, I think you're hard pressed to find a guy that can finish half the plays that Lupul has finished. Let's also not forget that while Lupul may be having a banner year, he didn't come out of nowhere. He was a young up and comer that was traded before he ever got to stick with a club and he was always a few notches down on the depth chart. Not to say that the Leafs should mortgage the future to sign him. Especially not anything more than what Kessel is making, but don't discount Lupul. I also don't agree with the defensive zone piece. I think that Kessel, while he has improved this season, the defense know that he is not an option, so Lupul faces undo strain of having more to deal with more of the breakouts. This means that if the opposition is watching tape, they know to double down on Lupul because the puck is likely not coming to Kessel.
March 06 2012, 07:10AM
Hahahahaha Tim
March 06 2012, 07:11AM
@Justin Fisher
Oh for sure but that one is even more evident except, I would imagine, to Tim who presumably thinks Bozak's face offs are really important.
March 06 2012, 08:11AM
@Stephen Stoneman
Lupul is a 1st or 2nd line winger. That being said I think Clarke MacArthur can do his job much better, and for much cheaper. And the return Lupul could bring would help the club much more. His absence opens a spot for Kadri as well.
Convenient in that you used a stat that supported your point and didn't look for other specific stats that would tell more of the story. Like how many scoring chances are created by Lupul, or how many times Kessel tries to dance into the zone and gives the puck away. Or how many battles Kessel loses in the corners, on the boards, in front of the net, and in the defensive zone, than Lupul.
If you watched the games and not just the goals, you would see that the stats you chose to look at are convenient, more than they express the actual play.
Kessel is much more skilled as a sniper, no one is going to argue that. But Lupul is a better overall player.
I'm with you there, kind of.
However Bozak isn't an "NHL All-Star" nor is he paid $4M+ to do something that any scrub could do. I'm willing to give him a bit more slack.
I don't get the seeming disdain for Lupul. Didn't Kessel play with a scrub last year named Crabb. I don't remember Crabb putting up numbers anywhere near what Lupul is. In fact I don't know anyone on the Leafs who has played anywhere near as well with Kessel as Lupul has in his nearly 3 years here.
Also Kessel is around a point per game since Lupul arrived, well above where he was prior. Kessel is the more skilled of an excellent duo, but I think they fit well together. $4M+ is a bargain in today's NHL for what Lupul is doing.
@Cam Charron
When Burrows signed his contract his previous seasons he had 31 and 51 points. Right now he's on pace for 56 points while playing with TWO ELITE talents. At the moment the Sedin brothers sit 20 and 22 points ahead of Burrows. Lupul is on pace for 83 points, Kessel for 87. Lupul has the luxury of playing with ONE elite player and Bozak. So Burrows is on pace to finish 27 points back of Lupul despite playing on a line with much more overall talent, but you seem to suggest that Burrows could do what Lupul is doing with Kessel....hmmm, OK.
As for Kessel moving into his prime, absolutely that is part of it. But last season before Lupul arrived, Kessel sat at 35 points in 54 games, in his last 28 games Kessel had 29 points. I don't suppose Kessel entered his prime in his 55th game, so Lupul is playing a part. Suggesting that "any scrub" could do it is nonsense. Lupul is a very good finisher and a good passer, Kessel is elite at both, that said, the assumption that we could EASILY replace Lupul AND do it more cheaply is silly.
Though I do share the concern that Lupul will want more than he's worth when his contract is up, so I'm sure Burke will get a good read on demands leading up to the trade deadline. If they are too aggressive, we can deal him then.
March 07 2012, 12:42PM
@Top Shelf
Except he didn't say that 'any scrub' could replace Lupul. Although I do think it would be a good exercise to look at which players would be available to replace Lupul.
March 07 2012, 12:46PM
Heh, "if you watched the games". You realize that the stats that Cam uses generally (in his numerous other posts on Lupul) are compiled by watching the games. Thing like winning battles or 'dancing into the zone and giving the puck away' are reflected in those stats.
At the end of the day, it's frankly ludicrous to suggest that Lupul is a better player than Kessel. He may do some things better than him but the things that Kessel does better than Lupul are more important.
Now, I disagree that Lupul can be replaced easily. I think that if any move should be made it would be at the centre ice position.
Cam is going to start periodically counting scoring chances for the Leafs so you'll be able to see how many chances each creates but only someone that is being willfully blind or misleading would think that Lupul creates more chances than Kessel.
@Pension Plan Puppets
Actually in comment #16 he said " It's important, sure, but any scrub can do it." It's right there in his third paragraph.
That said I'm aware that as a UFA after next year Lupul might want something outrageous, so I'm all for looking around for potential replacements, I just know it's not as easy as finding "any scrub" to do it. Frankly it's a tricky spot, because if Lupul put's up a point a game next year his demands will be very high and at his age and injury history I'd be very wary of overpaying and would want the term kept fairly short. I could see Lupul wanting to test the market as surely some fool will overpay. So again, Burke should gauge his demands well before the deadline, if they are just too much then move him for assets.
Just so I don't get lumped in with Tim, I think Kessel is clearly the better player, he's elite. That said I think Cam is underestimating Lupul's contribution.


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The big changes, however, are beneath the bodywork. In place of a 4- or 6-cylinder gasoline engine is a Tesla-designed 154hp (115kW) electric motor that drives the front wheels. In normal mode, the RAV4 EV can hit 60 mph in 8.6 seconds. Switching to Sport mode cuts that time down to 7 seconds. Top speed is listed at a just 80 mph, which means that you won't be hogging the left lane on most interstates in the U.S. The maximum driving range is listed at 100 miles.
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