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Market check: Bad news predominates in Europe, where markets nevertheless are rising off Wednesday's lows. The economic contraction there worsened in May as business activity fell the fastest in nearly three years. Even German economic activity took a hit. Meanwhile, the summit of European leaders that spurred bullish speculation Wednesday turned up more disagreement over the common euro-zone debt that might stave off a deeper crisis. Traders are taking their cue from European Central Bank governing council member Ewald Nowotny: He says the ECB "hasn't used its whole arsenal" just yet. Risk on! apparently. The iShares Russell 2000 Index Fund (IWM), the iShares FTSE China 25 Index Fund (FXI) and the iShares MSCI Japan Index Fund (EWJ) are among the market's off-hour block trading volume leaders. Initial jobless claims are due at 8:30 a.m.
Fund watch: Emerging-markets funds were hit hard during yesterday's short-lived selloff, but not the the Market Vectors Egypt Index ETF (EGPT) and the Market Vectors Africa ETF (AFK), both of which gained amid the euphoria of Egypt's elections. They're both flat in the premarket.
In the news: J.P. Morgan Chase's (JPM) big copper position may have had a connection to its physical-copper ETF plans, over which it has gotten a thwacking, reports the Financial Times.
In case you missed it: Goldman Sachs' (GS) hedge-fund "very important short" list.


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CASTLE DALE-Benjamin John Fuller, 22 passed away Oct. 14, 2003 in Tooele County. He was born March 2, 1981 in Price to Dennis Alfred and Elizabeth Leigh Jorgensen Fuller.
Ben was raised in Castle Dale and graduated from Emery High School in 1999. He enjoyed music, sports including fishing and basketball, snow boarding, fixing and inventing things. He especially enjoyed spending time with his family and cousins. He was a member of the LDS Church, an eagle scout and received his Duty to God award.
Ben is survived by his parents Dennis and Liz Fuller, sister Leslie Anne Fuller, grandfather John L. Jorgensen, all of Castle Dale. He is also survived by his grandparents Dennis and Zelda Fuller of North Salt Lake and a host of aunts, uncles and cousins. He was preceded in death by his grandmother Yvonne T. Jorgensen.
Funeral services were held Oct. 18 at the Castle Dale Stake Center. Interment in the Castle Dale Cemetery under the direction of Fausett Mortuary.
HELPER-Richard Mike Pessetto, age 76, passed away Oct. 16, 2003 in Price.
Born Oct. 31, 1926 in Price to Richard Mike and Georgia Miller Pessetto.
Lifelong resident of Carbon County. Served US Navy during World War II. Retired member of the United MIne Workers of America Deer Creek Local #1769. Richard loved animals and he was a former member of the Carbon County Sheriff's Posse.
Survived by his son, Mike Pessetto, Price; daughters Connie (Kirt) Marsing, Price; Michelle Curtis, Las Vegas, Nev.; sister, Gloria Gibney, Orlando, Fla.; brothers, Clifford (June) Pessetto, Helper; Morris (Margie) Pessetto, Richfield; nine grandchildren and 11 great-grandchildren.
Preceded in death by parents, sons, Anthony and Wayne Pessetto, and sister Barbara Ross.
Graveside service will be Oct. 22, at 1 p.m. at Mt. View Cemetery, Helper. Family will be at Mitchell Funeral Home, one hour prior to service.
SPRING GLEN-Loving husband, father, grandfather, and great-grandfather, Alfred Kilgore, age 80, passed away Oct. 16, 2003 in Price.
Born May 2, 1923 in Tracy City, Tenn. to Charlie Wesley and Rhoda Cope Kilgore. Married Mary Hampton, May 15, 1943 in Price.
Served US Navy during World War II in the Aleutian Islands aboard the USS Trenton. Alfred was a work-a-holic and a dedicated member of the United Mine Workers of America, Kaiser Steel Local #9958 where he worked for 33 years. Member of the VFW Miner's Post #2379 and the Slovenian Home in Spring Glen. He enjoyed hunting, fishing, camping and wintering in Quartzsite, Ariz. Alfred loved spending time with his family and will be missed greatly.
Survived by his wife, Mary Kilgore, Spring Glen; two daughters and two sons, Trudy Lee, Price; Susan (Dennis) Norman, Salt Lake City; Wesley (Lyn) Kilgore, Magna; Bob Kilgore, West Jordan; 14 grandchildren, 27 great-grandchildren; special friend, Robert Chubbuck, Spring Glen; and best buddies, "Poncho" and "Trixie."
Preceded in death by parents, two sisters and one brother.
Funeral service was held Oct. 20 at the Mitchell Funeral Home. Interment, Mt. View Cemetery, Helper. In lieu of flowers the family suggests contributions to the American Cancer Society or the Juvenile Diabetes Association.
PRICE-Max Christman, age 81, passed away Oct. 13, 2003 in Price, after a short battle with cancer. Born June 29. 1922 in Clawson to Joseph Franc and Laura Blackburn Christman. Married Alma Irene Lovins, March 6, 1944 in Salt Lake City, she died Feb. 13, 1985. Married Margaret Robertson, Feb. 27, 1988 in Price.
Max served in the US Navy during World War II from 1940-48. Retired member of the UMWA Kaiser Steel Local #9958 with 37 years of dedicated service. Member of the Slovenian Home in Spring Glen. Member Carbon Lodge #16 F&AM and the Eastern Utah Shrine.
Max was a great artist and he enjoyed traveling and spending time with his family. He will be dearly missed by all who knew and loved him.
Survived by his wife Margaret Christman, Price; daughter, Sharon Christman, Orem; son, Gary (Judy) Christman, Wellington; four step-children, Ron Robertson, Moses Lake, Wash.; Karen (Dan) Seat, Salt Lake City; Jim (Starla) Robertson, Price; Robert Robertson, Wellington; brother, Milton Christman, Tacoma, Wash.; sister, Pat Diamond, Page, Ariz.; sisters-in-law, LaPreal Christman, Orangeville; Audrey Murphy, El Central, Calif.; Bessie Christman, Price; brother-in-law, Robert Cormani Jr., American Fork; three granchildren, 4 1/2 great-grandchildren, eight step-grandchildren, six step-great-grandchildren and many loving nieces and nephews.
Graveside services were held Oct. 17 in the Price City Cemetery under the direction of Mitchell's Funeral Home. In lieu of flowers, the family suggests contributions to the Shriners Hospital, Fairfax Road at Virginia Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84103.

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Please note these are fast notes and NOT to be taken verbatim quotes--KSH.
We just finished morning prayer and the bishop is now speaking.
The Bishop begins and quotes--
"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the founder and perfecter of our faith…." Hebrews 12:1—2a
When last this Diocese met in a convention at St. Philip's, it was September 9th, 2006. I was one of three candidates for the XIV Bishop of South Carolina. In my opening address to the assembled clergy and laity I spoke these words: We meet this morning in this lovely city of Charleston. Inside the walls of this great old historic edifice—we can only hope the wisdom of the years might seep into our minds that we might rightly appreciate the present, and more importantly imagine an even greater future for tomorrow. I purposely include the past, present and future in this opening sentence. So also today: It is with hands reaching backward to bring the best of past centuries with us, feet firmly placed in the present—facing reality as it is, not as it was but as it is—and with hearts seeking God's grace for an even greater future for tomorrow that we meet here today. Before, however, turning our minds and hearts to consider the future, I need to say word about what in recent years we have come through. For since that day on September 9th this Diocese of South Carolina and I have passed through two consent processes for Bishop, and two Disciplinary Board procedures for Abandonment of the Communion of The Episcopal Church—the last without our even knowing it. I have not done the research but I suppose two consent processes and two disciplinary board procedures is and may well remain unique in the annuals of TEC.
You may remember that during a stormy first consent process I stated that: "I have lashed myself to the mast of Jesus Christ and will ride out this storm wherever the ship of faith will take me." It brought me two years later here to the marshes and cypress swamps of the Low Country. Where many of your relatives landed centuries before—some searching for wealth and others herded like cattle in the hulls of ships. During these past years I have grown to love this land and seascape, spreading down roots in your history and, even more to our purpose this morning, becoming one with you in a common allegiance to Jesus Christ, his Gospel, and his Church.
Consequently, I trust you will understand that I have strived in these past years, contrary to what some may believe or assert, to keep us from this day; from what I have referred to in numerous parish and deanery gatherings as the Valley of Decision. There is little need to rehearse the events that have brought us to this moment other than to say—it is a convergence of Theology, Christian Morality, and Church Polity that has lead to our collision with the leadership of TEC. I hope most of our delegates and clergy who have heard me address these matters know in their hearts and minds that this is no attempt to build gated communities around our churches as some have suggested or to keep the hungry seeking hearts of a needy world from our doors. Rather let the doors of our churches be open not only that seekers may come in but more importantly so we may go forth to engage the unbelieving with the hope of the gospel and serve our communities, disdaining any tendency to stand daintily aloof in self-righteousness. Indeed, let us greet every visitor at our porch as Christ and while some of our members stand at open doors to welcome, still others will go out as our Lord has directed into the highways and byways of the world—across seas and across the street—with the Good News of a loving Father, a crucified-yet-living Savior and a community of wounded-healers learning, however falteringly, to walk in step with His Spirit. Let not God's feast go unattended. This is our calling....
But I must say this again and again. This whole controversy is really about what we shall tell people about Jesus Christ when they come to our churches.
We have spent far too many hours, days and years in a dubious and fruitless resistance to the relentless path of TEC. And while some of us still struggle in grief at what has happened and where these extraordinary days have brought us, I believe it is time to turn the page. The leaders of TEC have made their positions known—our theological and creedal commitments regarding the trustworthiness of Scripture, the uniqueness and universality of Jesus Christ, and other precious truths, while tolerated are just opinions among others; our understanding of human nature, the given-ness of gender as male and female, woven by God into the natural and created order, is now declared by canon law to be unacceptable; our understanding of marriage as proclaimed in the Book of Common Prayer "established by God in creation" and espoused by Anglicans around the world hangs precariously in the life of the Episcopal Church by a thin and fraying thread; and our understanding of the church's polity, which until the legal strategy of the present Presiding Bishop's litigation team framed their legal arguments, was a widely held and respected position, evidently, is now tantamount to misconduct or worse—abandonment. While the first of these on this listed are by far the more essential and should be center stage, it is the latter that has finally left us no place to stand within TEC. So be it. They have spoken and we have acted. We have withdrawn from that Church which we along with six other dioceses help to found.
The Presiding Bishop and her legal team are now emerging from the shadows. Changing from their previous practice of seeking peace, peace, while waging canonical war.
Those who are not with us you may go in peace.
Rich in heritage is the Episcopal Church, and when I have quarrelled with her it has been a lover's quarrel.
But we must turn the page. Let us tear our hearts and not our garments.
Therefore, we cannot allow either personally or corporately any root of bitterness, resentment, un-forgiveness, anger or fear to take us like untied and forgotten buoys in an outgoing tide, burying our hearts and mission in some muddy marsh or to float adrift in some backwater slough.
No, we shall turn the page. We shall move on. Actually let me state it more accurately. We have moved on. With the Standing Committee's resolution of disassociation the fact is accomplished: legally and canonically. The resolutions before you this day are only affirmations of that fact. You have only to decide if that is your will.
So turning the page let us take an all too brief look at this next chapter of the Diocese of South Carolina. This chapter as I referenced in the scriptural text read at the beginning this address needs the promise and exhortations of the apostolic word. After surveying the luminaries of past generations who have walked by faith and not by sight—Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Moses, David and many lesser known men and women— the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews turns the page for his readers to the present and the future. Surrounded by these witnesses or martyrs from the past the early Christians must take their place in this great narrative of salvation history. Shedding themselves of every hindrance and clinging sins and (may I suggest perhaps things they cannot take with them) they are to press on looking to Jesus the founder and perfecter of their faith. So must we.
Much speculation has arisen now that we are no longer in TEC where the Diocese of South Carolina is going? I have repeatedly said at gatherings around the diocese that this question has not been a topic of serious discussion among the changing members of the Standing Committee over the years, or for that matter among the deans, or my within our Council.
It needs to be state again that our time has been taken up with keeping the diocese protected, while being intact and in TEC. And knowing that should push come to shove we would need to be prepared for numerous contingencies we put in place various protections. These are now profoundly helpful: we have a pension plan for clergy and laity; insurance possibilities for our congregations; a diocesan health insurance program. These do not allay every sacrifice or concern by any means, but they do at least fill a void that would otherwise be unnerving and almost unmanageable for many of our clergy and congregations.
Having chosen to persuade rather than coerce we have a great meeting place—the Cross and Resurrection of Jesus Christ! He is the one who opens the great doors and closes them. You may recall that the risen and glorified Christ spoke to the Philadelphian church in the Revelation of St. John the Divine: "Look, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut." I believe he has done so for us as well. We know how to do mission. We know how to preach the gospel; to make disciples.
We know how to do mission. We know how to preach the gospel; to make disciples; to share our faith with others; to hold on to the essential doctrines of Christ while being innovative for reaching emerging generations; to plant and grow congregations. Do we have much to learn? You bet. Will we learn it?
I ask you to imagine if perhaps the greatest congregations in this Diocese of South Carolina are yet to be grown. Some of us are getting long in the tooth and need to learn from and make way for younger leaders. As for me I realized how quickly it has happened: those words of the Psalmist that once caused me to think of retired priests and elder statesmen I now apply to myself...
"O God, you have taught me since I was young, /and to this day I tell of your wonderful works. /And now that I am old and gray-headed, O God, do not forsake me, /till I make known your strength to this generation and your power to all who are to come." (Psalm 71:17-18) The LORD spoke to Servant-Israel regarding her witness to the world saying: "Behold, I do a new thing—before it breaks forth I tell you of it." It is a time for the old to dream dreams and the young to see visions. If we can combine prudence with dynamism we can get somewhere.
As I stated at our recent Clergy Conference we need to maintain a comprehensive Anglicanism. Should we lose we lose an African-American congregation we shall look at planting another. If we lose an Anglo-Catholic parish will pray for what God will have us do; there are those from whom we can learn in this area. As for multi-racial congregations surely that is a gift whose time has come, perhaps past.
. Imagine what this Diocese of South Carolina can accomplish for the Kingdom of God and the Gospel if so much of our common life is no longer siphoned off in a resistance movement. What can our diocesan and deanery gatherings become when our focus is on our ministry at home and our mission in the world? If we can get out of our congregational silos and into relationships that foster mutual growth and mission a new day of possibilities awaits us. I will be calling together a task force to link stronger parishes with congregations and missions within the diocese that have suffered the loss of members due to this departure from TEC. If a smaller parish has lost 10, 20 or 30 percent of its membership in this break it may not be able to afford a full time priest. While continuing to keep the door ajar for any disaffected parishioners to return, we need to find ways to enable the congregation to continue to support their rector or vicar not merely in order to keep ply wood from the windows but in order to reach their community for Christ and to grow his Church. Let us get on with it. This will be our first priority.
South Carolina has been and continues to be a microcosm of North American Anglicanism—with all that is good and vital, and all that is most troubling. In an address at the Mere Anglicanism Conference last January I noted that there were some six overlapping jurisdictions within the boundaries of our diocese all making claims one way or another to being Anglican. With the exception of this Diocese of South Carolina, the oldest of these Churches is the Reformed Episcopal Church.
There are many REC congregations throughout South Carolina. They reach a good number of people with a vital faith and strong Anglican tradition. They have a goodly heritage and a seminary just up the road in Summerville. The Anglican Mission in America (AMiA) has had until recently the mother church of their movement at Pawleys Island. Recently the All Saints' Pawleys Island congregation voted to associate with the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA). But AMiA has other congregations scattered across the Low Country—some with bishops and some with rectors. Then, just this year ACNA ordained a former rector of this diocese The Right Reverend Steve Wood, of St. Andrew's Mt. Pleasant as the first bishop of their Diocese of the Carolinas, which includes North and South Carolina. There are others as well, some of whose bishops I know and some I do not.
As I have stated before this is all rather un-Anglican! But to the positive we ought to at least to acknowledge this possibility: But to end on a positive note, South Carolina may be the most "Anglicanized" turf in North America! (laughter)
This might be what lies behind the question that is often raised at the deanery and parish forums I've been addressing—with whom will we affiliate. My answer has been quite simply, "For now—no one." As any wise pastor will tell you, if you been in a troubling or painful relationship for a long period of time and then the marriage or relationship ends, you would be wise not to jump right away into the first one that comes along and tie the knot. You'd be wise take your time.
Nevertheless, I hope we can work with and for a greater unity among the Anglican Churches within our local region and within North America. We have many friends and bonds of affection that unite us as well as a common mission. A century ago a son of this diocese, William Porcher DuBose, wrote these helpful words: "The question, How to restore and conserve Unity—must go back to a prior one,--What is the Unity in question? Let us recall and repeat it in our Lord's own words: 'I will not leave you orphans; yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but ye shall see me; because I live, ye shall live also.'….If then, in all our differences we are thus able to concentrate and agree upon the one necessity of being in Christ and of being one in Him, we must not despair of some ultimate Way to it. If we will cultivate and prepare the disposition, the will, and the purpose—God will make the Way….let us, I say, once begin on that line, and the differences that do not eliminate themselves will be turned into the higher service of deepening, broadening, and heightening the resultant Unity."
To this end I will also appoint a task force to begin contacting, praying and working with these other Anglican bodies as they are willing and able to seek a greater Anglican Unity within South Carolina or at least within our own jurisdiction.
I am taken with some other challenging words from our past heritage. We might also consider the words of William Reed Huntingdon, whose genius over a century ago shaped the Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral
"If our whole ambition as Anglicans in America be to continue a small, but eminently respectable body of Christians, and to offer refuge to people of refinement and sensibility, who are shocked by the irreverences they are apt to encounter elsewhere; in a word, if we care to be only a countercheck and not a force in society then let us say as much in plain terms, and frankly renounce any claim to Catholicity. We have only, in such a case, to wrap the robe of our dignity about us, and walk quietly along in a seclusion no one will take much trouble to disturb. Thus may we be a Church in name and a sect in deed."I mention these challenges words for two reasons. I believe we need to work in two directions at the same time. First we need to allow ourselves to draw near to the throbbing needs of the world around us. And while maintaining the four pillars of the Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral, we need to creatively engage our culture not with the tired arguments of the past, answering question no one is asking, but answering the questions of those in the sorrowing and aspiring heart of our society.
Mention meeting with Archbishop of Canterbury, and then the bishop of London. He got there early. As often in England it was raining. And so I went outside and looked at the roads where all these paths of cars were converging and I asked myself how did it happen that we have become some engulfed in meeting and not bringing the gospel to that world (where all the cars were). That's our calling, because it is Christ's calling.
Finally, I turn to our place in The worldwide Anglican Communion. Our vision since 2009 has been to Make Biblical Anglicans for a Global Age: Helping by God's grace to help shape emerging Anglicanism in the 21st Century. I mentioned in my recent Open Letter to the Diocese that we have heard from Archbishops, Presiding Bishops, and diocesan bishops from the Kenya to Singapore, England to Egypt, Ireland to the Indian Ocean, Canada to Australia, representing the overwhelmingly vast majority of members of the Anglican Communion that they consider me as a faithful Anglican Bishop in good standing and this diocese as part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Ah,my friends this should comfort us as we await further guidance from God regarding future affiliation and in conversation with the Provinces and Dioceses with whom we have missional relationships. Just yesterday I received emails from bishops in Egypt, North Africa and Ethiopia assuring us of their prayers. and I thought my gosh,
We are not alone. Greater are those with us than any who may be against us.
Nevertheless, this I assure you, there shall also be lengthy and thorough conversation among the clergy of this diocese—our bishops, priests, lay leaders and deacons before any decision would be presented before this Convention that would ask you to associate with any province. I remind you of an historical fact—this diocese existed after the American Revolution for four years before it voted to accede to Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States and then for a fifth year.... So for now and the foreseeable future, having withdrawn from our association with TEC, we remain as an extra-provincial Diocese within the larger Anglican Communion; buttressed by the knowledge we are recognized as a legitimate diocese by the vast majority of Anglicans around the world. Truly, we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses.
What then in conclusion? Having turned the page, having gazed however briefly at the next chapter, the path ahead opens before us, "… let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus the Founder and Perfecter of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God."
These resolutions which you will soon have before you are first and foremost a way for you to affirm the action of withdrawal the Standing Committee has legally and canonically taken. Many of you have already decided in your heart and mind how you will vote. Others will need more time.
Go outside the Walmart in Goose Creek or Monck's Corner, they lead into a broken and throbbing and hurting world, and ask yourself is it not time to devote ourselves to that hurting world.
...in keeping with your understanding of God's Word, the historic teachings of Christ's Church, and the leading of the Holy Spirit it is time to take stock of what you think, and in harmony with your heart and conscience to act. May God guide us all.
(Ends--and I am out of time and my hand hurts!)
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Posted November 17, 2012 at 11:41 am
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1. Karen B. wrote:
I've only skimmed this so far in between some work meetings…, but what I've read, especially of the first section, has moved me deeply. I'm so thankful for +Mark Lawrence and his and the diocese's vision to stay focused on the Gospel and invite so many more to share in God's lavish feast.
Wow… just wow.
It's sad that these kind of words and this kind of preaching are so rare in the HoB. This is a true shepherd. Thanks be to God!!!
Praying!!!!November 17, 1:13 pm | [comment link]
2. SC blu cat lady wrote:
WOW! Terrific words. Some of it I have heard before but I really like the "lets not jump into affiliation" approach of the Bishop. I totally (fwiw) agree that the slow and prayerful approach is the best option for us at this time. God bless everyone who is there especially the clergy and bishop!November 17, 1:30 pm | [comment link]
3. SC blu cat lady wrote:
Thanks Kendall+, You are a fast, accurate typist and go rest your hands!November 17, 1:31 pm | [comment link]
4. Loren+ wrote:
Thank you Kendall+ for posting this; Thank you +Mark for preaching it! I hear no defeat or bitterness in these words, only confidence in the Lord. Thank you.November 17, 1:37 pm | [comment link]
5. mspk wrote:
#1, Karen B., I am with you! WOW! This address is so Spirit-filled, that I am moved to tears. Kendall+, thanks for transcribing this. Well done. Bishop Lawrence's words, through you, mean more than you will ever know!November 17, 1:50 pm | [comment link]
6. Milton Finch wrote:
Praying in Saint Stephen, SC. We love you!November 17, 2:26 pm | [comment link]
7. APB wrote:
Thank you for sharing this. I have had a very discouraging fortnight, and this really helps. Be faithful, go slowly, and make certain your flack jacket it properly fitted.
8. SC blu cat lady wrote:
Just heard from my hubby. The special convention is over! Safe travels home everyone!November 17, 3:38 pm | [comment link]
9. IrishMike wrote:
what were the resolutions and how did the vote go?
'Ignorance is a blessing at times, or maybe just a good excuse'
10. Undergroundpewster wrote:
The next best thing to being there is having Kendall there.November 17, 4:11 pm | [comment link]
11. Milton Finch wrote:
12. IrishMike wrote:
Thank you Milton and AMEN to that. Prayers are going up all day. Blessings to all of you
'Ignorance is a blessing at times, or maybe just a good excuse'
13. SC blu cat lady wrote:
Irish Mike, One of the resolutions was to delete references to The Episcopal Church USA from our diocesan constitution and canons. I don't know if there were any more or not. No doubt Kendall+ will have the resolutions and the votes posted soon. According to my hubby who was there, the vote was nearly unanimous (with a few abstentions) but no "no" votes.November 17, 4:34 pm | [comment link]
14. IrishMike wrote:
Thank you SC blu cat lady- Praise the Lord!!!!!!!
'Ignorance is a blessing at times, or maybe just a good excuse'
15. Paula Loughlin wrote:
Safe journeys to Bishop Lawrence as he sets his feet away from TEC.November 17, 9:24 pm | [comment link]
16. Cennydd13 wrote:
Thank God that +Mark Lawrence are out from under Schori's thumb and her heretical and apostate leadership!November 17, 11:05 pm | [comment link]
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Three Jacksonville brothers were found guilty Thursday in federal court of conspiracy to enter into marriages for the purpose of evading U.S. immigration laws, making false statements to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, and unlawfully attempting to procure naturalization and citizenship.
Mowafek "Mike" Shahla, 43, Antoun "Tony" Chahla, 42, and Fadi Chahla, 40, citizens of Syria, were indicted on April 26, 2011, according to a release from the office of U.S. Attorney Robert E. O'Neill.
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Shahla, Antoun Chahla, and Fadi Chahla each made false statements on their applications for legal immigration and further lied to officers when being interviewed about the fraudulent marriages. The brothers became legal residents of the United States, but their citizenship applications were not processed by the time law enforcement uncovered the conspiracy.
The brothers face a maximum penalty for the conspiracy charge of five years in federal prison and up to ten years in federal prison for each of the other convictions. In addition, they may be subject to deportation for their crimes. Sentencing hearings have not yet been scheduled.


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Le Var, in the South, is the second most wooded department in France. It is also one of the most visited tourist destinations. Painted as it was at the beginning of the First World War it is tempting to read an ominous, congested moodiness into this composition. Bonnard's paintings from this area two years earlier are warmer, brighter and happier in mood.


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So how do you see your girlfriend if you are a married closeted B- list mostly movie actress? You open a business with her so you can see and be with her everyday
Jessica Biel is opening up a restaurant in one of the Cali beach communitiesReplyCancel
I'm just curious, are they both chloseted gays?
{thesis research}
@Sandy, VIP is somewhere hugging herself while wiping the tears in her eyes.ReplyCancel
@Seven I think Justin has turned asexual, a result of being overly narcissistic (yeah, yeah, redundant)ReplyCancel
He is outing both. But if you research you can find the partner who I wont name.
I know right @trainrides shes busy getting her spreadsheet ready for randon pics on FFF.
Sugar the restaurants name is Au Fudge.
Congrats Canada you won 1-0 now beat the Swedes and we keep Biebs.
Whoooo CanadaReplyCancel
@Sugar: Jessica Biel didn't renew her Random Photo subscription, so it's Alba from here on out – but maybe not, because none of the triumvirate were seen in the randoms yesterday. Justin Timberlake was seen purchasing WD40 at Ace Hardware so that kills his chloseted rumour (WD40 is a lubricant for doors and hinges).ReplyCancel
Yep. High end kiddie restaurants. So you KNOW this is all just a huge cover for getting some snatch on the side. I was wondering WTF she was thinking with that concept. You do you, and your side projects, boo.
Oh, and I had a friend who was an on-off character on 7th Heaven. Biel was a massive betch, Lucy was sneaking out to college parties getting wasted & doing the whole dancing on tables, flashing everyone bit. She was apparently hitting the LA and SB party circuits. Simon was somewhat normal, kept to himself and loved racing cars. The minister dad was the most difficult to be around, big chain smoking drunk with a real temper/mouth on him. The most concerning was little Ruthie. She was a nice kid but really weird and anti-social, he said she would literally talk to herself most days. The only same one was the mother on the show.
Anyways, yes. Biel.ReplyCancel
Uh no….@Sugar Biel will and so will a female longtime friend who has a designer 's first name and a man's first name for a last nameReplyCancel
oh for gawd sake the partner in the business is Estee Stanley….no word if shes the confired girlfriendReplyCancel
JT dated Brit and Cammy, both bi and more on the adventurous side. He knows what's going on. Guys like JT don't have to put much work in because they have more leeway at being as to get away with being a lousy or just lazy lay. That's why they need homegirl around. Someone has got to take care of "business" at the end of the day. Way to outsource that shit, JTReplyCancel
Yes we dont know if Estee is gay however we have always known Jessica is.ReplyCancel
Are we protecting Estee because
1) Apparently, we are PC fascist feminists
2) we have issues outing people
3) we have issues outing people who are not public figures
Meh, all of the above to some extent right?ReplyCancel
You forgot LadyH I'm no feminist but the site supposedly has a new policy of no longer outing people which is why we get a lot of almost reveals now.ReplyCancel
Good to be privy to these things. And just because you're a male doesn't mean you can't also be a feminist but I'll also make that note to self about Sandybrook 😉 thanks!ReplyCancel
#gotitbetch 😀ReplyCancel
Me, too, @JSierra. :/ReplyCancel
Friend of a friend was an air marshall. He got dibs on any seat he wanted on a plane so he ended up in Business/First Class whenever it was available.
He sort of had a minor issue w/Biel once because he always had to take aisle seats and in this instance she asked if he would switch with her assistant — which he declined. He said she immediately copped an attitude and wanted to know "why" and told him to "just switch with her". Obviously, he can't say, "Back the fuck off, I'm an air marshal and I'm not taking a window seat twenty rows back." In the end, she pouted, turned to the window and ignore him the rest of the flight. She was curt with the flight attendants, too.
His words, "Jessica Biel is gorgeous but kind of a bitch."
Maybe the assistant was her girlfriend?
To be clear: this "issue" was just her attitude, there was never any risk to air safety or illegal activities.
He also sat next to Oprah once. He described her as "okay" but "fake". *shrugs* Your guess is as good as mine.
Oh, and Bobby Flay is "the *biggest* asshole I have *ever* met" (his emphasis, not mine). Shocker, I know.ReplyCancel
@Surfer you want me to root for Sweden? My goalie is their goalie I can root for King Henrik!ReplyCancel
Great story, Noms!ReplyCancel
@NomNom, idk why but the Bobby Flay part made me giggle. Thanks for sharing!ReplyCancel
Nah us Norte Americanos stick together! O Canada indeed!ReplyCancel
Me too @sugarReplyCancel
Love it, Nom NomReplyCancel
no Sandy don't root for Sweden…Canada Canada CanadaReplyCancel
Let me get this straight: We "know" Biel is secretly lesbian just as in the '90s everyone "knew" that Ben Affleck was gay and in the closet, except now we "know" he is not gay, and "know" he is a cheat, and how we "knew" Nicole was secretly lesbian except today in another blind she's being guessed as being unfrozen in a hot man sandwich of some combination of Franco, Pattinson and Damien Lewis?
Speaking of Britney, doesn't there seem to be more than one of her these days with how radically she seems to change from day to day?ReplyCancel
I always took this bearding situation to be more of a beard for her & free reign for him situation. She gets to pretend to be happy as wife & all that for PR & he gets the happily married cover while he goes sleeps with whoever he wants, whenever he wants. Gives both the positive PR they think will actually help their careers.ReplyCancel
@Lotta, hush! There is sense-making going on in here!ReplyCancel
She's been her stylist for years.ReplyCancel
My impression is JT is asexual. Been around him. I think he might be in the closet only because it's quiet in there.ReplyCancel
Thanks for the great stories Nom!!ReplyCancel
If Biel ever does come out of the closet what we saw on CDaN reveals with Ellen Page last weekend will be nothing. We may have WEEKS of Jessica Biel reveals!ReplyCancel
We all REALLY know what you mean with that WD40 gurrrrrl 😡ReplyCancel
tracy and goop. theyre in luvvvvvvvvvReplyCancel
Ewwww…this story just got really creepy: "Justin is the brother I never had…" -EsteeReplyCancel
WTF!? Justin isn't gay he banged Britney and Cameron Diaz. He's always cheating in the blinds. Lance Bass was the gay one in n' sync.ReplyCancel


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Celebrites fawn over Chicago artist at Watermill
Reportings coming in this evening from sources from Facebook to Bloomberg indicate that Chicago performance artist and occasional What's the T? correspondent, Hope Esser, painted The Watermill red at the art center's celebrity studded annual summer benefit. Esser could be viewed from on high, performing in a red dress with flag sleeves from atop the performance lab's building. Her figure was made more striking by the red fabric draped rapunzel-like directly under her.
Bloomberg.com revealed celebrities from Abromavic to Gaga to bankers no one care about were seen at the event. The article smartly shouts out Esser as well. Watch out for Esser's performance in the next Lady Gaga video, featuring Marina Abromavic.


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Final theory time:
Kakashi kills Rin, but We know that Kakashi will never do that willingly. Kakashi therefore is being controlled or manipulated.
There are 3 types of Manipulation/Control that have featured prominently in the Manga.
1) Genjutsu
2) Curse Doll or Curse seal
3) Body possesion (like the Yamanaka Clan)
I've said previously that this attack on Rin is just too coincidential and too convenient. It happening at the exact time that Obito is well enough to leave Madara's base, and right after Obito has met with Body Suit Zetsu and practice using its power. Now despite the coincidences there is no hard evidence that Madara is manipulating the situation although it is a distinct possibility.
On Madara:
I suspect that the Body suit Zetsu exists because Madara made it for himself. If Madara has used this Zetsu, he could have left the Cave easily. It would be nice if we could have put a time to The Kisame meetting with Madara.
In the lower image, the character looks like Ibiki who is 1 yr older than Kakashi. In the upper image we see Ibiki cornering Kisame. The Events in the upper image must have happened recently, say within 5yrs of current time. This would seem to prove/imply that the Madara hiding in the Shadows is indeed Obito as the Original Madara would have been dead by then.
In the end, both the short haired and long haired Madaras, wearing both Masks, would have been Tobi-Obito


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Social CRM and Social Business Strategist at NET-7
Mark is an experienced consultant, manager and advisor on Social CRM, Enterprise 2.0, Social Business and Adaptive Case Management. He spent five years with BEA Systems and Oracle where he successfully created and managed a Professional Services Practice doing Enterprise 2.0 and Business Process Management. In just three quarters, he generated over 40% of total worldwide revenue for this service and built a team of 20 specialists to meet demand.
Looking for new challenges in the age of the Social Customer, he became an Associate at Net-7, a Paris-based IT Management Consultancy and recently became one of the first people in Europe to be certified in by Paul Greenberg's BPT Partners in 'Social CRM Strategies for Business'.
Mark's Social CRM Ideas blog is one of the top blogs on the subject and his articles have been published on MyCustomer.com, CustomerThink, Social Business One, and the Customer Collective.
MT: I think what has changed is the way we can almost instantly find and connect with people who are like us, to share and exchange points of view about whatever interests us. Rather than be told by some company what we should think about the merits of their XYZ product, we now have the reach and the means to communicate with a virtually limitless number of people at costs that are approaching nearly nothing.
Marketing especially seems to want to focus uniquely on Social Media as a means to communicate at potential customers, and thereby neglecting that a customer has a whole range of tools available to help them gather information and opinions and be influenced by his experience at each stage. He will effortlessly and comfortably hop from one channel to another, making it difficult to understand what his buyer journey actually looks like. There are many touch-points where companies can add value or otherwise facilitate – for example in-store, in the contact centre, at events, in Customer Support etc. – so not only through Social Media.
These data-points I talk about could be for example about how customer service is perceived, whether there are issues with the product, competitive activity and other state-of-the-market indicators, but you could also think along the lines of gaining a better understanding of the context of the customer – what are their interests, how committed they are to your brand, whether their friends are also your customers, what type of assistance or information are they looking for and so forth and this can help you identify and shape the capabilities and value proposition that then determine your service offering.
The data-points as described in the previous question provide a source of pressure from outside of the organization can serve as a wake-up call to management. Performance statistics such as Sales or First Call Resolution in customer service can be completed with real-time data on market context and customer intent, which in turn can then be used as a basis for better decision-making.
Adaptive Case Management is about providing flexibility in obtaining desired outcomes by empowering knowledge workers to decide on the appropriate actions to carry out. ACM provides a flexible process framework to unite the right people with the right expertise and other resources such as enterprise systems at the right time, and ensures that key enterprise objectives such as traceability, visibility and accountability are met.A CEO should care about this as it will give her organisation the ability to adapt the way it works according to changing market conditions without having to change its Business Processes which are often obsolete from the day they implemented.
From the customer service perspective, there will be less friction because the customer's context is better understood and can thus be taken into account during interactions. Issues can be anticipated and acted upon before they blow out of proportion (by picking up on "early warning signals"). Peer-to-peer support can provide often-times faster and as accurate service as in-house customer support, with the added benefit of reducing workload on contact centres or allowing a move towards higher added-value support. Just as a remark here, customers are currently still impressed to get any company response through public channels such as Twitter and Facebook, but as the novelty wears off, the company should do well to better understand the limitations of each channel and move to the most appropriate one as soon as possible, i.e. 140 characters on Twitter is too short to describe how to set up a digital television receiver.
In traditional B2B sales, the success of the salesperson depends on the relationship he manages to construct with the customer. Traditional CRM systems are often put in place by management to track what activities have taken place and to see where potential deals are within the sales cycle so that corrective measures can be taken when necessary – and as such these systems are more often than not seen to be a chore to salespeople rather than a useful tool. The Social CRM approach on the other hand aims to facilitate the role of the salesperson by making it easier to help him connect prospects with existing customers and internal expertise so as to reinforce his position as a Trusted Advisor. Another benefit is the ability to provide the salesperson with tools to mine their networks for connections to get new entry points into their assigned accounts and identify who competitors are connecting and talking to. An example of this is Iko Systems who does just that by mining LinkedIn, Xing, Facebook and Viadeo.
I do believe that there is a real risk – you have to realize that we're only at the beginning of a whole new way of how customers interact with each other and with companies and understanding when and how (and whether) to react will be the crux of the matter.
The example I like to use is the Prince William and Kate marriage – around the height of the ceremony there were over 4,000 tweets per second!
Even if your company would able to answer one in a thousand, you'd still have to deal with 345,600 per day! And even then, you'd have to figure out a way to decide which one of those titbits of information would be the proverbial needle in the haystack that can provide you with real insight.
To me it is all about collaborating with, for and around the customer in order to best understand and meet current and future expectations. You cannot set expectations about your service offering when the whole organization doesn't come together to provide what is expected – and that could be because delays to resolve issues are too long or are dead-ended. This also includes working with other actors in your value chain, for example when you promise to deliver within 24 hours but your shipper consistently delivers after 7 days – do you blame the shipping company when the angry customer calls you after 3 days and leave it at that? There are many ways you could potentially react, but closer cooperation and coordination through collaboration is one of the most effective options.
Listening and monitoring tools provide a means to tap into a raw stream of feedback about what your customers think about your and your competitors' service offering, which will be rather more 'authentic' than when you conduct surveys or use focus groups. The issue is how you filter the data and turn it into actionable insights – currently we're doing tasks such as classifying what we find based on keywords or combinations for positive, negative or neutral sentiment, but I believe we'll need to build in feedback loops to get down to the nitty-gritty of it.
Social CRM will be combined with Enterprise 2.0 in the Collaborative Enterprise that aims to strengthen the overall value proposition through collaboration between customers, the company, its partners, suppliers and channels. As such, social CRM as a philosophy and a business approach will be folded into the CRM discipline, but a more customer-focused one in this iteration.
The quintessential example is Giff Gaff, a UK MVNO that created and then worked with a community they formed with their customers to determine their go-to-market service offering, and which now provides peer-to-peer support with questions being answered within three minutes by community members. They have also provided peer-to-peer customer on-boarding incentives which has assured a fantastic growth rate.
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Works of fiction and narrative non fiction are broadly made up of four experimental elements:
story, character, setting and language.
These are the doorways to the book. As a reader we will often choose, and enjoy the book, because of the doorway.
A book that intrigues the reader because of the story is one that is a page turner, a book that you cannot put down because you want to know what happens next.
A book with character as the doorway is a book in which the reader feels so connected to the character, that when you have finished the book you feel like you have lost a good friend.
When setting is the doorway the reader feels like they have actually been there or would like to travel there.
When language is the major doorway the reader tends to read slower and savor the language, often the books are very poetic.
Each of you most likely knows what kind of a reader you are. I definitely fall into the character category. I love many of the characters I have met throughout my many years of reading, and yes it is often sad when I close the book for the last time.
My next favorite would be setting. I love books that take place in the Pacific Northwest, especially Seattle since I was born and raised in Seattle. I loved Broken for You, by Stephanie Kallos. I grew up in the north end of Seattle, and she even mentioned the Greenwood District and the bowling alley where we used to bowl when I was young. That made the book a fun read. I also love books that take place in Maine, and South Carolina both places I have never been.
Some books I enjoy just because of the character and some because of the character and setting.
Last weekend I read The Cottage at Glass Beach. As I mentioned before Heather Barbieri will be at the Wenatchee Public Library on Thursday June 28th at 7 p.m.
I enjoyed the book. It was a great summer read. This book filled two of the doorways for me. Most important character, I bonded immediately with Nora Cunningham, and she was my new best friend for the entire weekend. I also enjoyed the setting, an island off Maine in the summer. One day I will vacation in Maine!!
Book club does have copies of this book which I have sent over to WPL. There is a display on the circ desk where you will find the books. Copies of The Lace Makers of Glenmara, will be sent over soon.
Hope to see you at the program!! Also I would love to hear from you. What kind of a reader are you? What books have you read and enjoyed in the past few months?


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Skip to comments.Rick Sanchez calls Obama the 'Cotton Picking' President (CNN Host)
Posted on 08/30/2010 2:29:08 PM PDT by Mount Athos
Click link to watch video.
They are probably covering it up now. better download and save that video.
Obama is not the descendant of slaves, so this term shouldn't really be offensive (it's idiomatic, not personal) — but I imagine the Left will be rather niggardly with their tolerance on this.
Would like more of the video to see it in context... I get the impression StupidRick said "cotton pickin" where an even less-learned person would have said "he's the G_d-dammned president..."
I'm not trying to defend the putz - but this comment is much ado about nothing.
Rick Sanchez is a liberal, therefore, he cannot be a racist.
But save this in case a conservative says the same thing so we can diffuse the obvious indignation that will ensue.
He sounds like a drunken fool on and off the prompter.
Oh boy!!!!!
(oops... did it again)
Rather said Obama failed at selling watermelons at the side of the road - so now they got him picking cotton.
If Rush said it, CNN/MSNBC et al would be all over, but since a liberal said it, as far as they are concerned, it never happened.
I think he should wear his racist credentials on his forehead.
Ever Pick Your Feet in Poughkeepsie?
Add racist to his hit and run & killing a pedestrian while drunk credentials.
Duh thats the point-most of the things the media bitches about at least for people on the right are silly-
We know what he meant at least I will speak for myself I am just bustin his chops so he can see how it feels when the speech police come out—
If he's a democrat, this is all we will hear of it.
If he's a normal person, it will be all over the news.
There is nothing demeaning about being a cotton picker....there were black and white pickers working side by side on struggling farms in rural areas. Cotton and tobacco built this nation before the industrial revolution.
I was thinking he has double owner blood. The Dunhams are reputedly descendants of slave owners and his African side is Muslim who are known to trade in African flesh.
Now just hold on one cotton picking minute, Rick.
rick sanchez is a taco eating idiot.
I just watched a program on the "Cotton Gin" and they showed cotton pickers and the ones they showed were white
people of all colors did manual labor including my grandfather and grandmother
Well played, sir.
I cant stand Sanchez but I dont have a problem with him using the word cotton-pickin'.
Guess I've have had enough of the speech police.
Lets stick CNN with that tarbaby.
Mine too. Our heritage of *all work is honest work* and farm labor especially so.
"Farmers cannot fool mother nature and none have tried".
OH NO, he didn't!!! Somebody run and call Jesse!!! Oh wait...
Thanks, South 40. This needs to be posted everytime Sanchez is mentioned.
Obama is not the descendant of slaves.. I'll give that but he's making slaves out of all of us to pay for his Marxist agenda.
Anyone who would consider that common colloquialism to be a racial slur has some REALLY thin skin!!!
Cotton-pickin' News Network
It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out. I'm sure Sanchez will get an easier time of it that had say, Rush or Greta Van Susteren(sp?) said that.
That said, part of me wishes that nothing *does* come of this. Sanchez is a complete jerk, but I don't want clowns like Sharpton or Al-Shabazz getting air time trying to make something out what looks like nothing from here.
He's an idiot. But he's a Cuban idiot, not Mexican.
Of course there is nothing wrong with that figure of speech...except when we say it.
Hope he has to grovel.
If Obama had ever actually picked any cotton, and dealt with trying to pry the lint bolls out of those razor sharp leaf spikes that protect them, maybe he wouldn't be so drooling stupid. It's not something you can be casual about.
Rick Sanchez: easily the dumbest talking hair-do in the knee-pad media.
Live by PC die by PC. Give him the hook!
Picking cotton is work. Obama never hit a lick of work in his life.
That be da problem, Barack Huessin Obamah has no Cotton-Picking roots and is not authentic !
That's right up there with Nappy Headed Ho's ... out with him!
S'okay, the libs say, he apologized for saying it right afterward. He says "cotton pickin" like, all the time. Didn't mean it as a racist remark, y'see.
I sure hope Hannity, Beck, Sarah and anyone else on the Right gets the message that this tactic works! /s
(did I really need the sarc tag?)
You're right it should. But that's not the best source. This is better.
Barack Obama won't open new bottles of aspirin because he's too proud to pick the cotton ball out of the top.
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If there's one lesson that we, as gamers, have a hard time learning, it's NOT to be so swayed by the current trend to over-hype the MMOs we're looking forward to playing. In her latest column, Pokket takes a look at that notion and offers a few thoughts. See what she has to say and then leave your comments.
I played this new game recently. I won't say the name, but let's just note that I played it. I played it a lot and I liked it a lot. It was fully polished, it had modified questing in a way that, well, I didn't feel like I was questing, and when I got a fully leveled toon, the end game was so vast that I wasn't bored at all. The gear grind was actually enjoyable, there were very few bugs that I encountered, and the content in the game would rival the gigantic beast WoW has become over the past 7 years.
Read more of Hillary Nicole's Pokket Says: High Expectations.
I didn't guess it was a made up game. I actually thought you were talking about GW2. I agree it's the "suits" that are the villains for most problems we see in recent games, and that we (the players) need to take a step back from the hype train and be more reasonable with our expectations.
If we can just get rid of the so called "industry experts" who advise the suits about what sells well, maybe we'd see some more interesting games instead of re-skinned WoW clones.
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy
And for MMORPGs ever so true...
"I've learned that the best way to get around this is to just not overhype games anymore. "
I've learned my lesson as well.
I'm called jaded, hater, doom & gloom expert and other filth because of it. And you know what? I'd rather be this way and still get something out of the latest vapid title without feeling the need to go on a rampage mode about how the game done me wrong when I do decide to put it down (temporarily or for good).
"The same issues that happen in the game industry happen in other industries as well."
Which other industries can get away with releasing a buggy, half-assed product and have customers eating it all up no matter how many times history repeats itself?
People may overhype themselves which in turn could lead to disappointment but it's entirely their own damn fault. Shouldn't we know better by now? It is 2012 after all...
Let them learn the hard way. Carry on with your own life, don't waste any energy on the rest.
Personally, I am well aware of how high my expectations about a game are. I try to keep them level. I also take everything the media (like, you know, mmorpg.com) with three to four pounds of salt. Because like it or not, the VG media are in a very uncomfortable position between two chairs: Players and Industry.
And they're shifting their buttocks more and more onto the side of the business. Anecdote: I am currently looking for a job as editor, and many ads state explicitly that "rephrasing press releases" is one of the core duties of the job. Let that sink in. Yes, that sounds exactly like "gaming magazines are marketing extensions".
But back to the "don't blame too much on the execs": I think that devs often are in a similar position as editors: They have to please gamers, but they report to the suits. And depending on specifics, those suits might have an influence in how the game is created.
Take TOR, for example. It has many faults that the devs can be blamed for (like those aweful lifeless worlds and the tube-like zones). Others, I have a hard time seeing devs making such decisions. Like using the Hero engine for the game. It feels unresponsive (really bad for all those jump-and-run sequences), it has abysmal loading times and heavy segmentation, it has rough collision detection (I love falling to my death in an elevator because the platform caused the solid ground to become permeable for a second). It apparently doesn't even allow for a real 'free' camera look, instead snapping the camera to its default position the moment your toon moves. After nine months, this is still not adressed. And to top it off, the camera and player movement in itself is clunky and jerky. After 100ü hours with TOR, the simplest thing of them all still doesn't come naturally: Camera movement.
So, it's all well and good to say: "Players, lower your expectations!", when you and the VG companies do their best to stoke them, and try to alleviate any doubts (regardless how justified they were in hindsight). It's really more like. "Players, when will you learn and become cynical?! All we write is basically bullshit, and you cannot trust anything we or the companies proclaim. The only way to judge if a game might be for you? Peer review!"
Which is, by the way, how I have begun looking for good games. Thus far, it works like a charm.
I think all you need to consider a movie a gem is for Joseph Gordon-Levitt to appear in some capacity.
I've become a cynic about video games, much to the displeasure of most of my gaming buddies, and I refuse to buy into the hype. It's worked out pretty well so far, as they quickly pass the honeymoon period and drop the game they were so excited about.
I really don't think overly high expectations are the fault of the gamer, though. We're an excitable breed by nature, and publishers have learned to use that to sell subpar crap. I place the blame on the publishers and developers, and in many cases 'news' sites like this that parrot everything a PR marketing team says about a new title.
Game editorials and movie reviews are much the same as sports radio: they are meant to provocative in some way so that people will read them. I think Pokket does that pretty well, as is evidence with all the hate and vitriol.
The point though is a valid one and no one is to blame but the consumer. We buy the game, participate in the PvP, get tickets to movies, and in general support corporations that do not give us what we want. We are a group of Charlie Brown's always thinking Lucy is going to not pull the ball away this time. Companies HAVE NO INSENTIVE to make better games or go outside of the boc because the gamer is going to lay his money down. In regards to WoW, which even in hatred gets more press than it probaly deserves, why should someone try and do better? The WoW player plays WoW for the same reason the McDonald's go goes to McDonalds - its fast easy and familiar. McD fries (for those of us who like them) have not been consistently the yummy fries we remember, but we keep going back. We keep oping it will be and if not, its familiar. So why open a competitive place nearby with something NEW when I know, regardless of how good my food is or good my prices are - you are still going back to McD anyway. So what insentive does a company have at all to try and win your WoW money? No matter how good your game is, X Million people are still going to play WoW as well.
We throw a lot of dirt onto the suits at EA. Well deserved maybe, but the gaming consumer keeps handing over his or her money. Want EA to at least pretend to have a creative conscience? Stop buying their games. Take away their money. That is the way to get them to notice. And you have to do it consistently until you get the changes you want.. Spend the money on the games that DO push the envelope. If you have $15 a month you spend on WoW until something better comes, I would suggest spending it on as many indie games as you can manage to spread the wealth around on. Even if you don't play.
Companies give us crap because we keep paying for crap.
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While I agree on the general idea of what pokket says in this article, I also find it highly hypocritical. To be fair, she's hardly the only person guilty of this. Hell, I've seen Total Biscuit, in the same podcast, go from stating 'MMOs are inherently bad games' to 'I think I'm just done w/ MMOs' to 'we as gamers are definitely part of the problem' to 'Planetside 2 is the future of MMOs' to 'Planetside 2 will be my next MMO no doubt'.
I'm not even sure that a lot of game journalists even realize they do this half the time. They just get caught up in the next hot thing, and then retract their statement later once they've full absorbed it. In fact, it's very rare to find game enthusiasts who are good at being objective about games. Critics like TB have their moments, but often end up flip-flopping their impressions later.
One thing's for sure, the next generation of gaming will be interesting to watch. We have the growing indie movement, a consumer base full of jaded gamers with little-no concept of what constitutes a good game, and a growing movement to get back to the roots of gaming. Will we see a re-established focus on games as games? Are we stuck in this rutt of interactive movies, that have budgets bloated about as far as they can go? Or will we see a new direction form?
Time will tell.
Originally posted by logan400k
Game editorials and movie reviews are much the same as sports radio: they are meant to provocative in some way so that people will read them. I think Pokket does that pretty well, as is evidence with all the hate and vitriol.
Companies give us crap because we keep paying for crap.
Part of the problem with this, though, is that it gives people the impression that if they stop supporting crap it won't be getting made. While theoretically, this is true, it rarely ever actually happens. When it comes to larger companies, especially, they have it down to a science of how to appeal to the masses. And the simple truth is, people in their base nature, will always buy crap. There's no real getting around that.
The best way for real change is to instead try and rally people around supporting newer / better ideas. Support the people trying to breath fresh life into the industry, instead of focusing on taking money away from those ruining it. We're starting to see this becoming more prevailant with indie games, and as a result we are actually starting to see some really creative & interesting games.
Sounds like someone is disappointed with the latest and greatest?
For some, the 'hype' surrounding a particular game is more than the game deserves. For some, it's dead on, and for others, there wasn't enough hype for said game. It all depends on the particular player, the particular game and what the player's preferences are.
I for one think the 'hype' surrounding a newly released game was very justified. Others don't. Another newly released game was found by many to be way over hyped.
I think one of the biggest issues is the extremity of the hype. One person says, "X game is the second coming" and repeats that mantra until others start to think every potential fan of that game thinks the same thing. Then those on the fence play that game and think, "Well, it's good, but it ain't that great". Then they come running to the forums to say, "This game was way overhyped!". The reverse is also true.
And of course, those who got tired of the 'hype' of one game will be the loudest detractors if they happen not to like that game. So then the game will have "failed to live up to its hype".
And the beat goes on.....
Originally posted by Betaguy
I don't feel my expectations are too high, I believe where I have played MMO's for 15+ years I have seen a trend. The trend being older games had way more features than todays mmo's. Features that every mmo should have they no longer think about adding. Think back to UO, DAoC or SWG, those games had more features than the current mmo's being released. By leaving out some of those great features they automatically fail in most mmo'ers eyes or at least in my opinion.
I totally agree. I remember playing Asherons Call. I could improve my speed running simply by...running! These days I'm pretty much limited to the speed I run, hence mounts which again are limited. Its a small thing but there are plenty more examples. The rpg market of mmo's is truly limited to the same old hash these days. TSW tried to get away from that and in most people's eyes failed. But at least they tried. atm Rift is the only game I'm playing as I feel it offers the most variety in an otherwise fairly stale market. And thanks to SWTOR I will never preorder a game again!
Originally posted by logan400k
The point though is a valid one and no one is to blame but the consumer. We buy the game, participate in the PvP, get tickets to movies, and in general support corporations that do not give us what we want. We are a group of Charlie Brown's always thinking Lucy is going to not pull the ball away this time. [...] Companies give us crap because we keep paying for crap.
In theory, this line of thought might work. In practice, the line isn't so neatly cut.
For example, there is marketing. The job of marketing is to increase demand, or even create demand. And 'resisting' marketing can be a full-time job (and or render you fully paranoid ;-)). And no, advertisments are not even the tip of the iceberg. There is a reason companies use considerable precentages of the money invested in a product in its marketing.
In short: If you claim that the consumers and customers are solely to blame because we could just as well not buy, be very aware that the industry manipulates us by every angle they can possibly reach into buying things we don't need or don't really want. And it's working like a charm - it's 'simple' psychology.
It's not just ads in print, online and TV. It's not just providing free test samples ('just keep them'), Beta access and other goodies ('Exclusive Preview!') to reviewers. It's not even just implying that this supply of timely and free samples could just as well dry up. It's also not only going into various 'public' review systems (like amazon.com) and buying reviews, faking them. For all you know, I could be paid by any number of companies to write something nice about them. Or something not so nice about another company. Or maybe their marketing rep just guilt-tripped me on a personal level into not writing too much about the flaws of a certain game... I could go on and on, but it all boils down to this:
Customers are being naive if they think their decision to buy or not to buy is something only they make. They're constantly being influenced on multiple levels by people wanting to sell them stuff. And even if you know their methods, you are not immune. You may resist a few (usually the most obvious ones), but they are legion. And they are clever.
edit: Take, for example, your average Supermarket. I don't know how things are handled in your country, but in mine (Germany), there is one type of wares put along the queue where you stand in line at the cashier: Single-piece sweets or sweets in (very) small packages. They're neatly placed at about (under)arm's height.
This isn't happenstance or a weird choice. They're put there deliberately, so little children can reach out and take them easily when their parents are distracted by the cashier. Those wares even have a name "Quengelware", or in English "Whinewares". Because if the parents don't get those children their sweets, there will be whine. And thus, super markets istrumentalize children to sell things to their parents.
I do have high expectations, but I never go into hype mode.
From a MMORPG I expect a great deal of player freedom, non combat and combat being equelly important, back ground lore because for story's I already enjoy my singleplayer RPG games or read books :P. The gameworld needs to feel like a actuall world either with a sci-fi or fantasy theme. But that world should spark my imagination as in how it would be to actually be there.
Today's gen. of MMO''s just feel slightly different compared to single/multiplayer games. Endgame consist out of the same type of gameplay we already can find in normal multiplayer games only difference you can play with more VS then your regular multiplayer FPS, yet with slightly outdated graphics compared to the single/multiplayer games.
But I never let my expectations cloud my judgement about info about games as my high expectations are merly mine, just the hopes of what this genre could be.
For instance, I am enjoying SWtOR, but been playing only since about 3 months. I read allot, saw allot of clips...etc..so I never thought on buying it at release. Cause everything I read or saw showed me not the type of MMORPG I wanted. And while I am enjoying "the game" SWtOR I am merly enjoying it as a game. It still fails to my expectations of it being a MMORPG.
When community doesn't mean a thing due to game feature's then for me such a game stops being a MMORPG and becomes merly a online game to me.
Those that have played SWG for a long period of time might be able to relate to what I am saying, others might be not be quite understanding on what I have said.
So YES I keep having high expectations of this genre, but I keep my expectations realistic when game info is shared. But that doesn't stop me into hoping for more virtual sci-fi/fantasy WORLDS!!
Originally posted by NBlitzWhich other industries can get away with releasing a buggy, half-assed product and have customers eating it all up no matter how many times history repeats itself?Well, if you consider LucasFilm an industry in itself . . .
No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin
I was at a Q&A session with John Carpenter, (the man who directed the original Halloween, Escape from NY among others), and he basically said the movie industry has come down to bunch of suits are responsible for green lighting your film based on a bunch of figures calculated by some number crunchers before you have even shot a single frame of film.
Unfortunately I think the MMO market in alot of way especially with the big corps like EA is operating the exact same way. Everything has to follow a certain formula otherwise the game will never be made. I am hoping the some smaller indepedent games like the Repopulation or Archage to do well and maybe we can escape this cycle.
The last couple of games I got pumped up for were STO, TOR and TSW. Sadly by the time I had played several hours in beta/head start I realized while I love the IPs/Theme, the execution of the mechanics were severely lacking whether it be the complete linearness of TOR or the disappointing combat in TSW.
Lastly, if you have some constructive criticism for Pokket by all means share your advice, but if all you are going to spit out is she's a doody head and I don't like her please don't bother posting. You'd be better off by just not reading her articles.
Stevenra: I like to think I've been very unbiased in A LOT of reviews, first impressions, etc of games that I cover. I was rather pessimistic about SWTOR, Tera, and GW2 before they launched and, while I won't say they are the game of my dreams, they are certainly something to fill my time with. I tend to give both the goods and bads of every game I've tried out. I don't give you what devs want to hear, but I do try to put the negatives nicely. There is a major difference.
kaiser3282: That is completely false, sir. The Mythic version of WAR was RvR/PvP focused and had to put in PvE. You may be thinking of another version of Warhammer put on by a different company that was PvE focused and got cancelled.
Freezzo: The suits call the shots on A LOT of things, and in SWTOR's case, Lucas Arts also puts their hand in the jar. Like Matt Higby said at the Future of MMO panel at PAX, there's a lot devs want to do, functionality they want to put into the game, but there is only so much they can do due to budget, time restrictions, shots called, etc. To think devs don't know what's missing from their game as they play, is really to think foolishly. Ofc they are going to say they like the game they spent hours, days, months, years working on. I'm sure they are still proud.


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Can this be stong enough to shake the pipes thru out the three floors???: The most common reason for that is a bad toilet fill valve coupled with a leaking tank ball or flapper. When the water leaks out the bad fill valve operates to add water to the tank and can vibrate while doing it.
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: : We are having some nasty black greasy stuff coming out of the hot water faucets, when opening the faucets on full. This is so severe that the tub gets a thin layer all around and totally black. When we use real low pressure, we can avoid most of it.
: : Our waterheater is 10 years old, the house is from 1970, and pipes are probably same age. Waterheater model is a Reliance 501 installed in 1991. Any suggestions to what might be the problem. Our local hardware store suggested grease in the pipe fittings, but there seems to be too much stuff coming out to be from the pipes.
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