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A GM's Carol: The Ghost of Aging Veterans
JP Nikota
September 07 2011 01:03PM
On a sweatstained duvet cover, Jay Feaster tosses and turns fitfully. Suddenly, his window blows open and in drifts a ghostly spectre.
"What do you want from me?! Why are you haunting me?! Why do you look like Jarome Iginla?"
"I'm here to show you what your star player is dealing with. You'll accompany me as we see that he shares your restless slumber."
The apparition and Feaster, after a lot of effort on behalf of the ghost, begin to float out to Jarome Iginla's homestead.
"Take a good look at the stress that you've caused this great Canadian hero Jay"
"The jersey! The sweater! It won't come off!"
Jarome woke up to find himself thrashing around inside of his bed sheets, momentarily unable to free himself. Sweaty, cold, and disoriented, it took a moment for his startled wife, Kara, to calm him down.
"Jarome! It's OK! It's OK! Look at me! It's OK! It was just a bad dream!"
"It was that same dream again! I was 38, missing the playoffs, and wearing a Sundin jersey that I couldn't take off! But this time, a… this… mysterious, spectral figure told me a prophesy!"
Kara looked at her husband with a mix of concern and pity, muttered "You'll win that Cup eventually", and rolled over.
"By no means would even I, this all-knowing spectral figure, attempt to dictate the future to a man that has control over his own destiny, but a chilling scene it would be, the day "Iggy" left the rink for good, without a Stanley Cup ring in his possession. A Stanley Cup, he can win, but not with this Calgary Flames team, thinks I. You see, I am the Ghost of Aging Veterans, and I come with alarming news. Unless the Calgary Flames change their ways, and perhaps more to the point, their players, they shall not win a Cup."
"Huh?" *Eats a turducken in three bites*
"Certainly, there are teams that have won the Cup with many veterans in the lineup – why, just last year, a man in his forties, Mark Recchi took home the big trophy with the B's. And what of the average age of the rosters? Here are the Cup winning rosters' average ages, and the average age of Calgary on June 15th, 2012 (the date that the Bruins won last year)"
Average Age
"Hmmm… they are older, these Flames. It rather reminds me of another aging group of vets that I saw shortly after the lockout: the 2005-08 Toronto Maple Leafs. Sundin always did deserve better, but his loyalty to the team, while admirable, kept him in Toronto for too long. You see, the Flames have a lot of important members that are already on the wrong side of 26 (the peak age for production by most measures), and Iggy, like Sundin won't carry a whole team on his back much longer. Here's a look at the core of the team and their ages"
Babchuk, Anton
Bourque, Rene
Modified NMC
Bouwmeester, Jay
Giordano, Mark
Glencross, Curtis
Hagman, Niklas
Hannan, Scott
Iginla, Jerome
Ivanans, Ratis
Jackman, Tim
Jokinen, Olli
Karlssen, Henrik
Kiprusoff, Mikka
Kostopolous, Tom
Morrison, Brendan
Moss, David
Sarich, Cory
Stajan, Matt
Modified NMC
Stempniak, Lee
Tanguay, Alex
Modified NMC
"That's the team that is going to finish above the Oilers for at least one more year bud."
"That's an old core, Jay. The above-listed group includes 12 out of the Flames' top 15 skaters, as sorted by TOI/60. Oh, and don't forget that Scott Hannan has been brought in to replace Regehr, so they've replaced one old boy with another. Given the number of NMC's and NMC's, this group isn't keen on being shipped out for younger players, prospects, or picks, either. It does happen, of course, but… really? Lee Stempniak?"
"He scored 14 goals in 14 games once Mr. Ghost so stick that in your...errr...bony something or other and smoke it. Plus, Iggy had 86 points last year. He still has more gas in the tank than that Sundin character."
"Now, Iginla had 86 points last year. It's not as though his goal-scoring abilities are going to dry up overnight, and that's great news for the Flames. But it's tough to say how much longer he can keep it up. Here's a graph showing the number of 30-goal seasons by an individual player from 1967 through last season"
"That's right. Not a pretty picture. Let me leave you with one last thought: how many goalkeepers put up better than a .910 save percentage and played more than 30 games in one season since the '67 expansion? Well, the sample size is smaller, but basically, we're looking at a grim outlook for a goalie turning 35."
"Please, heed the warnings of math, good sense, and the Ghost of Aging Veterans. Re-build this team Jay"
"What was that? Sorry, I was thinking about that turducken..."
"What was that? Sorry, I was thinking about that turducken..."
September 07 2011, 01:19PM
The ghost of capgeek.com tells me the team has 11 contracts (12 counting Backs as RFA) coming off the books by the end of the year. I think it's pretty clear the team is clearing space for next year, which seems prudent because the CBA is expiring. And with 11 contracts expiring, the team is probably going to change significantly.
September 07 2011, 01:33PM
I'm surprised the Flames are that old even after trading Langkow.
September 07 2011, 01:34PM
Yeah, they've really squeezed every last drop out of Kipper. But then, what's the backup plan? Is Henrik Karlsson ready to step right in? Or is it Leland Irving?
September 07 2011, 02:23PM
Flames may have about 24M in cap space coming at the end of 2012, but that's because they are shedding so many players. Right now, they only have 12 guys under contract (plus RFA Backlund), meaning they'll have to re-sign or replace nine forwards and two defenders.
24M split split between 11 players is just 2.18M per guy. If the Flames wanted to land a big ticket player like Parise for, say, $7M that would leave them with 17M for 10 players, or 1.7M per. That's not a terrible predicament, but it shows you how tight things can get pretty quickly.
Detroit's old guys are Hall of Famers. How many of the Flames' grizzled vets can say the same?
I think the Leafs still have a few ghosts themselves.
I think you may be missing the point: We're looking precisely at the Leafs' situation and saying that to us it looks pretty damned similar to the Leafs' during the end of the Sundin Era.
Like a snowflake I dont think 2 ghosts are the same. Iginla has said already that if the organization didnt feel he was not part of the future to winning a Stanley Cup he would absolutely accept a trade. I think there is a big difference between Sundin & Iggy & I think what Feaster does will not only depend on how the club performs this year and also what the return is for Iggy. There is much debate even between us hardcore Flames fans as to what we could expect on the market, based on last year & assuming his numbers dont skew off too much this year. Unless we get nothing short of an amazing return, it would be in our best interests to keep him until he retires. I think it also goes the other way in that if Jerome doesnt think the Flames can be in the playoffs with a shot at the cup (favorite or not, doesnt matter) and he requested silently to be traded, the Flames organization is classy enough to accomodate him. When I say Toronto ghosts, I meant look at what Sundin did & to the same extent what Kaberle did. Refusing trades when it benefited the team more. Not the case with Jerome. Iggy grandfathering a transition to youth is as valuable as what he brings in return if the trade route is explored. We all know its more fun to sensationalize trade rumours and what management should do with a future hall of famer that could be the missing piece to the right team.
September 07 2011, 01:14PM
Good lord that's an old team!
September 07 2011, 01:25PM
Yeah, 11/12 contracts and only $19M so it's not like the Flames will have accumulated that much more flexibility.
Plus they'll have wasted another year of Iginla and Kiprusoff. The new CBA might provide some opportunity to make the more wholesale, necessary changes that they can't (or won't) make right now but I don't think Feaster's shown much as Calgary's GM to suggest he'd be ready to take advantage.
@ Domebeers.com
And with 11 contracts expiring, the team is probably going to change significantly.
Agreed, but with Feaster in charge I'm not sure that it will change for the better.
September 07 2011, 01:27PM
Here's the list of expiring contracts:
Nik Hagman, Olli Jokinen, Lee Stempniak, David Moss, Brendan Morrison, Tom Kostopoulos, Raitis Ivanans, Tim Jackman, Pierre L.Leblond, Cory Sarich, and Scott Hannan
Other than maybe Hannan, Jokinen, or Hagman there's not much there that you'd want to move that could even be moved in order to start stockpiling some picks.
September 07 2011, 01:30PM
@Pension Plan Puppets
Of course with the way he's played the last few years, 'wasting' a year of Kipper's contract might not be a bad thing.
September 07 2011, 01:45PM
The ghost of capgeek.com tells me the team has 11 contracts (12 counting Backs as RFA) coming off the books by the end of the year. I think it's pretty clear the team is clearing space for next year, which seems prudent because the CBA is expiring. And with 11 contracts expiring, the team is probably going to change significantly.
Yes, but to what end?
Every year more and more teams are locking up their best players before they become unrestricted. Every year the UFA pool is shallower.
Even if they do manage 1 coup while competing against 2 dozen other teams trying to do the same thing, is that enough?
Cap space alone won't save this team.
However, what Feaster and co. are really afraid of is the Young Guns era. Now there's a ghost that needs to visit them.
In other words, the reason the flames don't want to do a rebuild until forced into one is because they have no faith in their drafting and development.
September 07 2011, 01:48PM
Oh man these photoshops have been great.
Iginla and the Flames are the exact mirror images of Sundin and the Leafs.
Two players that were elite level, treated like gods by fans, and unable to win a championship.
My prediction is that the Flames will be so scared to trade Iginla, and he will feel so comfortable and loyal that he will never leave. In doing so he will be like Sundin without a cup, and will leave the Flames in a similar position as the Leafs at the bottom of the barrel having to rebuild with no assets to help.
Seems to me Detroit gets the older team label as well & they always seem to defy the laws of nature. They always seem to get a young prospect from their organization rising & exceeding potential to keep things going & their veteran leadership is always considered a good thing. Why is it there seems to be a lot of people who really seem to think they know the future so well? I wonder why they arent laying counting their money on some beach in the Bahamas? Define lighting the match approach to managing that Feaster refuses to do versus making an incredible blockbuster future changing trade with an expectation to compete for the playoffs. Well JP, if you are such a big Leafs fan, how in the world can you throw an opiniating blog like this out without looking in your own backyard? Theres an old saying that before you point fingers about stench at others you better check your own shorts first. I think the Leafs still have a few ghosts themselves.
September 07 2011, 02:27PM
@Kevin R
"The Leafs still have a few ghosts themselves."
That's the joke.
We've been through this, just trying to give you some warning.
September 07 2011, 02:28PM
@Kent Wilson
I think you'll find that when you have all those players on expiring deals you'll want to move them for something. When they all have NMCs that becomes an issue.
September 07 2011, 02:34PM
@Kevin R
Detroit's old guys are Hall of Famers. How many of the Flames' grizzled vets can say the same?
I think the Leafs still have a few ghosts themselves.
I think you may be missing the point: We're looking precisely at the Leafs' situation and saying that to us it looks pretty damned similar to the Leafs' during the end of the Sundin Era.
September 07 2011, 02:36PM
Exactly. Part of the reason JFJ got into trouble was because he kept keeping future cap space open in the hopes of landing a big ticket UFA.
The only problem is, as you noted, that these big ticket UFAs almost never hit the open market. And if they do, Calgary isn't exactly at the top of their wishlist.
September 07 2011, 04:07PM
@Kevin R
If Iggy is saying he would go then it really is on Feaster to move him. 'Veteran leadership' can be found cheaper and the assets Iginla could bring in would possibly help rebuild the team after he retires.
It's not about what's more fun, it's about what makes more sense. This Flames team is not a good team. It is in no way a Stanley Cup contender and it'll be even less of one next year.
Hanging on to him is a mistake.
Kaberle left, won a Cup, got the Leafs some strong assets, and the fans loved him for it.
Sundin didn't accept a trade, the Leafs didn't force the issue, he left for nothing, fans have had their memories of him tarnished by that, and retired in another team's jersey.
Which would you rather see Iggy go through?
September 07 2011, 04:23PM
All you silly Torontonians don't give Jolly Jay any credit. Evidence shows that he is reducing the age quotient on the team (such as unexpected Langkwow trade) as well as freeing up some cap space just in case a Parise or Weber or someone similar are available via trade or FA. Recent articles in the Calgary Herald suggest Calgary IS a preferred or at least well-liked NHL destination as we have a rabid but not dangerously-psychopathic fan base like in Toronto and Montreal. I am 80% sure that the trade to get Iginla a Cup would happen in a Ray-Bourque-to-Colorado like fashion. We learn from our mistakes here in Calgary! LOL.
September 07 2011, 04:28PM
And clearly NTCs and Modified NTCs are not mattering much because a player can waive them and often will with a convincing GM asking him to do so. See Langkow, Daymond and Regehr, Robyn and even Kotalik, Ales.
The Flames clearly have some issues to work through and I echo the concerns some people have expressed about Feaster. My biggest concern is not that Feaster is going to bugger it up, as many of the moves in terms of the new coaching/scouting stuff is encouraging. My biggest fear is that Feaster is not going to be given free reign and the higher up oversight will step in to avoid making too many overly dramatic moves.
It should also be noted that Kipper's NMC expires at the end of this season and while his cap hit will stay at $5.83 the fact that his actual salary over the two last years of his contract are $5 million and $1 million he becomes much more palatable to the budget teams in the NHL that don't care about cap hit.
Plus, the average age of those guys coming off of contract (except P3L) is 31.4.
I see no way the Flames don't get younger next year.
September 07 2011, 04:51PM
You considered Ivanans as part of the core, and not Backlund? WTH??
September 07 2011, 04:52PM
The problem with Toronto was not the aging captain.
What a cop-out for Toronto to blame Sundin-love for their miserable existence today. Sundin would have been succeeded by the same type of mediocre talent that Leafs fans already know and love.
Sundin was their one bright spot in an otherwise pathetic decade.
And in the end, Sundin could have won a cup somewhere if he was seriously interested in it. He chose to toy with GMs for months while he played with himself in Sweden, and eventually signed a silly Canucks deal at the 11th hour.
September 07 2011, 04:59PM
I'm not trying to troll here, but, you know that your team is in a bad place when Leafs bloggers are telling you there is something wrong.
The Flames problems seem to be illustrated well in that while they have a tonne of contracts coming off the books in the next two years, there are no internal options for players to come in and take those now-vacant spots, and any player that is brought in by way of free agency is likely to be at best a break even, if not a downgrade.
September 07 2011, 05:05PM
@MC Hockey
Who was the last big UFA to pick Calgary?
They aren't picking Toronto either.
The Langkow-Stempniak trade lowered the age but also lowered the quality of the team.
September 07 2011, 05:06PM
And clearly NTCs and Modified NTCs are not mattering much because a player can waive them and often will with a convincing GM asking him to do so. See Langkow, Daymond and Regehr, Robyn and even Kotalik, Ales.
They definitely do not completely preclude a trade but they do handcuff the GM trying to move the player. It limits the GM's choices of where he will trade a player and puts the ball firmly in his opposing number's court.
September 07 2011, 05:08PM
They'll definitely get younger...because they'll have to. As Kent mentioned, there's not a lot of dough available for a lot of spots. Which is why it would have made even more sense for Calgary to start rebuilding this year.
Next year they are going to have to fill at least some of the open roster spots with kids so why not give the most ready a shot this year?
Good point about Kipper. The last year at $1M is huge.
September 07 2011, 05:10PM
You considered Ivanans as part of the core, and not Backlund? WTH??
Hmmm...not sure why JP didn't include Backlund. Good catch.
September 07 2011, 05:14PM
Where's it say that we're blaming Sundin for all of the team's current existence?
The post simply notes one comparable which was an aging core which is precisely what the Leafs have. Also, the team's refusal to try to move their most valuable assets in order to begin the rebuilding process.
Sundin would have been succeeded by the same type of mediocre talent that Leafs fans already know and love.
See, you agree that the Leafs and Flames are pretty similar!
At the end of the day Sundin went to a pretty good club who lost out to the eventual champs. In terms of trying to win a cup he made a good choice but it just didn't work out. Hopefully Iggy does better.
September 07 2011, 05:17PM
Stop reading ahead please!
@Pension Plan Puppets
"Next year they are going to have to fill at least some of the open roster spots with kids so why not give the most ready a shot this year?"
Could not agree more with this point. It was one of the biggest gripes I (and many other Flames fans) had with the Darryl Sutter regime and I truly hope we see more young guys given a real legitimate shot in camp and during the season.
As for the dough, if you do the math as Kent has it looks bleak, but I look at it this way:
Nik Hagman - Role: Waiver bait. Cap Hit: $3 million. Replacement cost: $550K. Savings: $2.45 million
Olli Jokinen - Role: 2nd Line Centre. Cap Hit: $3 million. Replacement cost: $3.4-$4.5 million (31st highest paid centre to 60th) Saving: -$1 million
Lee Stempniak - Role: 3rd line winger. Cap Hit $1.9 million. Replacement cost: ~$1.5 million. Savings: $400k
David Moss - Role: 3rd line winger or 3rd line centre. Cap Hit: $1.3 million. Replacement Cost $1.5 million. Savings -$200K
Brendan Morrison - Role: Injury reserve centre. Cap Hit: $1.25 (w bonus) Replacement cost: $1 million. Savings $250K
Tom Kostopoulos - Role: 4th line winger. Cap Hit: $916,667. Replacement cost: $693,000 (Lance Bouma's ELC) Savings: ~$200K
Raitis Ivanans - Role: Dancing Bear. Cap Hit: $600,000. Replacement Cost: Hopefully Not. Savings: $600,000K
Tim Jackman - Role: Really good 4th line winger. Cap Hit: $550K. Replacement Cost: $900,000 (Cameron, Howse, Wahl ELCs) Savings: -$400K
Pierre L.Leblond - (Hoping he plays in Abbotsford)
Cory Sarich - Role: 5-6 defence. Cap Hit: $3.6 million. Replacement Cost: $1.25 million (Chris Butler's deal) Savings: $2.35 million
Scott Hannan - Role: Top 4 defence. Cap Hit: $1 million. Replacement Cost: $3.5 million (Brent Burns, Willie Mitchell, Nick Hjalmarsson) Savings: -$2.5 million
Total Money you could have to upgrade: ~$3 million. That's the difference from having Olli Jokinen at $3 million to Zach Parise at $6 million with everything else relatively status quo.
Plus how much the cap goes up by. Plus any more salary you dump (please god Kiprusoff at deadline for prospect plus a 2nd rounder).
September 07 2011, 05:55PM
Stop reading ahead please!
Sorry. You tell it so much better than I.
On another note, Vintage Flame, the most recent FN blogger, chose as his first post a piece comparing the Oilers to Hepatitis, in part because what better way to christen a new Flames blog than with a bit of Blood of the Oil, and I have to wonder if, like VF, you woke up today and thought "you know what, I'm going to compare the Flames to the Leafs and see if I can't totally tick off about 500,000 Flamers". But, as George W. used to say: "irregardless", I anxiously await your next chapter. Personally this is the one I am most excited to see.
I think this is pure gold from a literary point of view. While I do support the idea that Triple chin Jay has more than a Turducken up his sleeve, you can't help but notice the similarities between the two situations.
I actually love the value of the narrative more than anything, probably the most creative thing I can recall in a very long time. Fun to read.
As for my opinion, i'm in the camp that this teams does make a drastic change going into next season. I don't think we even do anything in the UFA pool next summer, I think Jay will trade for somebody's rights and get it done that way.
September 07 2011, 07:02PM
It was a huge problem with JFJ too because instead of blooding some kids he kept bringing in one year vets in an attempt to save space to swing for the fences come July 1st.
Your math isn't bad. The cap will go up so you could add anywhere from $3-5M giving you a total of $6-7M. But if you could move Iggy and Kipper would give a much bigger financial base plus bringing in some prospects and picks.
September 07 2011, 07:04PM
VF was certainly an inspiration and Kent, Danny, 67Sound, JP and I kicked the idea around for a couple of weeks.
Glad the reception's been good ie actual discussion.
September 07 2011, 07:48PM
Detroit's old guys are Hall of Famers. How many of the Flames' grizzled vets can say the same?
I think the Leafs still have a few ghosts themselves.
I think you may be missing the point: We're looking precisely at the Leafs' situation and saying that to us it looks pretty damned similar to the Leafs' during the end of the Sundin Era.
If Calgary had held onto St Louis, two of them!
On topic though, I was really liking what Feaster was doing overall until his stupid presser where he brought up a #1 centre again. Then, from the ashes, the Phoenix of Lecavalier rumours began to spread and I quite nearly broke down in tears.
I don't know what the stats gods think of Lecav, but from what I've seen and researched, he looks like he's a marginal 1st line C on a good day for the past three years.
Also, I'd love it if Feaster could trade Kipper for anything. I'm praying that (assuming the Flames don't go on to win the cup, which they almost certainly won't), come deadline day, some team on a cup run needs a goaltender and pays through the nose based on Kipper's history.
September 07 2011, 08:26PM
If I had to guess what the script might be for the Flames management this season leading into free agency it would be that they might move one, maybe two if they're lucky, expiring UFAs at the deadline with a questionable return, then Feaster tries to clear a little cap space and convinces the ownership that he is going to land the "big fish" this summer (at this point, presumably, that would be Parise). My guess is that that hunt will come home empty-handed and in the ensuing post-mortem Feaster will either keep his job by getting the next biggest forward FA, like Lombardi when he couldn't land Kovalchuk, or be sent packing and that it will be at this point that the Flames ownership decides to put someone in place to rebuild the franchise. Then again, maybe Ken King has a psychotic episode and hires Pat Quinn to GM, just to complete the Flames/Leafs connection.
The good news for Flames fans is that I think the team has committed to keeping their first round picks for the foreseeable future and that 2nd and 3rd rounders will be the legal tender of choice.
The bad news is that until there is a new management team put in place I don't see an improvement in the amateur scouts they hire.
September 07 2011, 08:37PM
Lecavalier is definitely trending downwards and that salary is an anchor no team needs let alone one that will at least be looking to retool soon.
If the Flames could just avoid running Kipper into the ground he'd be a great option at the next trade deadline. Not sure about this one but they need a backup to step up and play 25 games.
September 07 2011, 09:10PM
I don't know what the stats gods think of Lecav, but from what I've seen and researched, he looks like he's a marginal 1st line C on a good day for the past three years.
He's worse than that. Lecavalier has been a soft minutes guy for years. He's also a possession black hole. Back when Richards was on the club, he was the dude doing the heavy lifting. When he left, the team didn't have a replacement and they stunk for a long while.
Lecavalier used to be sort of worth his dollars when he was scoring a ton. But he doesn't even do that anymore. His career average is about 69-points a year and it's trending heavily downwards.
His contract is a terrible albatross.
September 07 2011, 10:25PM
Articles like this are useless. I don't think any one is saying the Flames are a young team. It is no surprise they are one of the oldest and instead of slagging Feaster, he inherritted this Team from DS. He has freed up cap space and gotton younger players in return. What do you want? Rome was wasn't built overnight......Could you imagine how things would look with him.
You disrespect Iginla who has given everything to this organization and has never once come out and said trade me to a contender. He is a big boy if wanted to be moved he would of by now so why not embrace a guy who shows loyalty. This makes me sick. Have some respect and go write an article for another nation(Leafs).
Since when is age a factor in winning? Detroit anyone? I'd take Jarome Iginla any day of the week for my team. Sid is the only player I'd take before him. He has all of the attributes of a hockey captain. No exceptions.
Ghost of Aging Veterans very cool take on A Christmas Carol. Flames ownership believes the window to win a Stanley Cup is still open but it may be very small.
It sounds like they are expecting Kipper to pull a Tim Thomas and Iginla to will the Flames back to the Stanley Cup Finals.
I can't see the Flames trading Iggy, it would be a shame to see a potential 600 goal scorer not raise the Stanley Cup.
September 08 2011, 07:18AM
I'm not trying to troll here, but, you know that your team is in a bad place when Leafs bloggers are telling you there is something wrong.
The Flames problems seem to be illustrated well in that while they have a tonne of contracts coming off the books in the next two years, there are no internal options for players to come in and take those now-vacant spots, and any player that is brought in by way of free agency is likely to be at best a break even, if not a downgrade.
Calgarians historically have never paid much attention to the opinions of people claiming to be looking out for our interests, especially people from Edmonton and Toronto. The city and the Flames will carve their own path, and not one that looks like either the that of Toronto or Edmonton. Thank you for your interest and opinions, but you know what they say about people in glass houses.
There was very little wiggle room for Feaster to work with this season. He has done a nice job with very little time keeping the team competitive, while planning for the future. While few changes have been made on the Flames this year, Feaster has been busy stockpiling assets in Abottsford, and made the Heat a little better with more options there for the Flames to consider. The critics have come out a full year too early, he needs to be judged at this time next year by people truly concerned for the well fair of the team and players.
In the meantime this Flames fan is looking forward to dominating both the Leafs and Oilers this year.
September 08 2011, 07:22AM
Hmmm...not sure why JP didn't include Backlund. Good catch.
Really, your not sure? Ivanans played a whole 30 seconds before being TKO'd last season and JP include him as a "core player". Let's try not to be too dishonest here.
September 08 2011, 07:25AM
Ivanans, like Colton Orr for the Leafs, is probably assured a spot on the team if he is healthy which is why he was included.
September 08 2011, 07:27AM
Yeah, Calgary isn't fit to shine Detroit's shoes. As mentioned above, there are veterans (Detroit) and old players (Calgary).
And I'd take Iginla on my team 7 days a week and twice on Sunday but in the best long term interests of the Flames they should move him because the window's shut on this team.
September 08 2011, 07:29AM
@Islanders of the North
Who disrespected Iginla? Are you sure that you read this article or are you commenting on the wrong page?
September 08 2011, 07:30AM
" Then again, maybe Ken King has a psychotic episode and hires Pat Quinn to GM, just to complete the Flames/Leafs connection."
Weird, and I thought was a Oiler/Leaf connection?


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The following article is an excerpt from the Utah State EMS awards ceremony in Salt Lake City.
In August 2007, the entire nation was aware of the events as they unfolded during the more than month long Crandall Canyon mine disaster. What most people were unaware of is the heroic efforts and innumerable man hours provided by the EMS providers of Emery County.
Shortly after the early morning response on Aug. 6, 2007, by the Huntington EMT's to a "possible mine collapse, unknown injuries," it became apparent there would be no quick rescue of the six trapped miners. Plans were put into place to have an ambulance, manned with three EMTs, on scene throughout the rescue operation. The need was not only to staff the ambulance at the mine continually for an undetermined number of days, but to maintain the normal number of responders for the Huntington community.
As word spread of the situation, calls came in from EMTs in the neighboring towns of Castle Dale, Orangeville, Ferron, Emery and Green River, eager to do what they could to help.
Emery County EMS consists of approximately 59 volunteer EMTs, this includes Green River. Huntington's ambulance is staffed by 20 of them, and like most volunteer rural EMTs, they all have other full time jobs and responsibilities.
Some would go to work and then man a shift at the mine. Others sacrificed work, home and family responsibilities to cover the 12 hour shifts.
Then on Aug. 16, the unthinkable happened. As a crew was standing by, a mine worker rushed up to them and said," get your ambulance, we've had another cave in." This had trapped and injured an unknown number of mine rescue workers.
At the request of a mine official, one EMT on scene was asked to go underground to assist with the initial treatment and triage of the victims as they were removed from the collapsed area. With the limited information received by the EMTs on scene, Emery County dispatchers launched ambulances from Huntington, Castle Dale and Ferron, as well as Life Flight and Air Med helicopters.
As ambulances and helicopters were arriving, victims were being removed from the mine. A paramedic and flight nurse from Life Flight were there to assist with triage (the procedure to assess the severity of the victims injuries and prioritize transport), this identified who would be flown to hospitals up north. The others would be transported by ambulance to Castleview Hospital.
In the mean time Emery's ambulance was dispatched to Ferron to stand-by and cover the south end of the county, and a Carbon County ambulance was sent to Huntington to cover the north end, so in case something happened, the communities were covered.
One Carbon County ambulance was also dispatched to the mine to assist with transport. By the time the event wound down a total of 10 miners were treated and transported two by air and eight by ground.
From the beginning and throughout the ordeal, the EMTs of Emery and Carbon Counties as well as Emery County deputies and dispatchers, flight crews and mine personnel performed to the highest standards of professionalism.
An Emery County EMT is quoted as saying," You have no idea how a small area like ours will act when there is a disaster. It's not just donating something to a cause, this is personal to us."
EMT crews worked so well together that often EMTs were doing patient care with other EMTs and transporting in ambulances that were not from the town they work in.
Another EMT is quoted from an email to the county EMTs," Even though we all work in different towns and do things differently, and we may not always see eye to eye on things, we still strive for one thing and that is the best care for our patients. We train together, and no amount of training could have prepared us for this, but that day in August we all stepped up and we worked as one team. I'm truly honored to work with each of you and am proud to be an Emery County EMT. We should all be proud of what we do."
On May 19 in Salt Lake City during the Utah State EMS awards, Emery County EMS was honored for the innumerable hours of service and selfless acts of professionalism, heroism and cooperation, an award for the Outstanding Response to a Specific Incident for 2007.
Along with the Emery County Ambulance, the Sheriffs office, Life Flight, and Carbon County ambulance were also honored for their assistance in the rescue efforts.
The volunteer EMTs of Emery County dedicate themselves to the citizens of the county through countless hours of training and service, and would like to thank you and the other agencies, for the support given to them.


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CanucksArmy Presents: The Canucks Fan Roundtable for February
Thomas Drance
February 01 2013 01:23PM
(Editors Note: Last month we debuted the Canucks fan round-table with a "super table" featuring five questions and seven guest writers. It was a massive success and I really enjoyed putting it together and reading the post, so I figured I'd continue on with this feature going forward - but I've decided to limit myself to four guests and four questions.
Today's featured guests are Halston's bane and mommy blogger Stefan (@boring_as_heck), Tumblr wizard Grainne (@KeithMallard), man about town Don (@TheFalconer) and some guy who makes me laugh on Twitter named @crownroyal22. Here's the four questions I posed to our esteemed panel:
- How would you like to see the Canucks handle "getting back" at Duncan Keith on Friday?
- Has Luongo's strong start to the season changed your mind at all regarding whether or not the team should keep or trade him?
- Based on what you've seen from the Canucks so far this year, what area of their performance are you most worried about? Most pleasantly surprised by?
- Give me five essential Canucks follows that you'd recommend to a Canucks fan, who was thinking about joining Twitter, as a "starter pack"?
My plan with the roundtables are to do one every month, and if you'd like to participate just let me know in the comments section and I'll consider you! Read on past the jump for the round table!)
Getting even with Duncan Keith
How would you like to see the Canucks handle "getting back" at Duncan Keith on Friday?
Boring As Heck
Look, I consider myself to be a pretty reasonable dude, but I can honestly say if I had to describe my feelings towards Duncan Keith in one word, it'd be "bloodlust." Or "dickhead," he's also kind of a dickhead. Ideally I think it would be cool as hell to see him get one-punched by Kassian, but what's probably gonna happen is a few scrums after the whistle. Maybe his feelings will be hurt when he gets booed every time he touches the puck?
Crown Royal
I want to see the Canucks go for the win instead of going full-Bertuzzi. But I wouldn't mind if a few bottom line guys took runs at Keith, and maybe a Ballard/Bieksa challenge.
I don't really care about getting back at Duncan Keith all that much. I'd rather see the team win. If the Sedins can punish the Hawks on the scoreboard, I'll be happy. However, I wouldn't mind seeing Kassian beat Keith handily in a fight. And then scoring. Because Keith was chirping him about being a bad trade deadline acquisition and that'd feel pretty sweet.
The Canucks have some decently physical guys so I wouldn't mind seeing Keith get knocked down a few times. But really I'd rather they focus on getting a win with no injuries and no suspensions. Keith should fight Kassian, and hopefully Duncan will get knocked around a little bit, but a tiny bit of payback sounds cooler to me than some full blown revenge scheme with elbows and concussions and stuff. Injuries suck.
The Falconer
I think "getting back" at him is a horrid idea. Last time I remember the team being focused on retribution rather than hockey it not only ruined one players life, but came very close to ruining another's career as well (and may have, depending on who you ask). I'll go with the team party line and say "the best way to punish him is to beat them on the scoreboard". That being said, I expect to see a "staged" fight at center ice in the first period in order for the situation to be put to rest.
The Goalie Controversy
Has Luongo's strong start to the season changed your mind at all regarding whether or not the team should keep or trade him?
The Falconer
I never thought trading a perennial all star Vezina nominee who has a Gold medal and two shutouts in a Stanley Cup Final was a good idea... and I still don't. I love Schneider, and wish there was a way to keep both - but if you're going to trade someone, you trade the unproven asset with the better return - not the guy who had you 60 minutes from the biggest prize there is. (Is that two really unpopular answers in a row? Crap, I promise I'll get better)
Nope. I liked both goalies and felt confident with both goalies going into the season and that hasn't changed.
Crown Royal
Nope, I think Luongo will likely be moved at the draft now instead of during the season. Age being the main factor of it all, though I do see a lot of Canuck fans romanticizing the thought of Lu pulling a Tim Thomas 2011.
Boring as Heck
I would like to take this opportunity to tell you that I own a Dan Cloutier jersey, so I feel as though the "problem" of having two really good goalies isn't really that much of a problem. If Luongo keeps this up, either he's playing well for the Canucks, or he raises his trade value to the point that his return is impossible to turn down. Win/win.
Surprises and Disappointments
Based on what you've seen from the Canucks so far this year, what area of their performance are you most worried about? Most pleasantly surprised by?
Boring as Heck
Uh well they are dominating the category of "Two Goal Leads Blown," so it would be nice to see some improvement there. Their physical play so far has been refreshing. Not sure if having Kassian on the ice is what's prompted this change, but it seems as though they aren't being pushed around as often. Seeing as I live vicariously through these dudes, it's nice to see some fight in 'em.
I don't think I'm alone in my concern about the teams defensive play. What was thought to the be a strength of the team with the addition of Garrison has looked like its biggest weakness. Bieksa and Hamhuis look like they've never played together while Edler has been on and off. The biggest surprise has got to be Keith Ballard, he no longer looks like the guy Chris Tanev baby-sits and more like the guy GMMG acquired back in 2010.
I've like Raymond's play, and Zack Kassian's active offseason seems to be paying off. I've been pleasantly surprised by the play of Tanev and Ballard and I'm mostly worried about the fact that Tanev hasn't scored yet.
No seriously my main worry is the play of the top 4 defensemen, but I still think they'll sort themselves out. I've liked some things about their game. Also worried that Chris Higgins seems to have become invisible.
The Falconer
I think it's too early to tell. The power play looks horrendous for the most part, but I think a lot of that is timing. Passes aren't quite as crisp and quick as they need to be to keep the opposing goalie moving. Most of that comes from a certain set of twins who don't seem to quite have their game back yet, though, and I don't think it will be long.
I've been pleasantly surprised by the play of the defense, oddly enough... Tanev looks like he put on a few pounds and got meaner over the summer. He looks like a grown up, and his pairing with Ballard has made me almost forget that we're without Salo. Also very pleasantly surprised by the secondary scoring. With Booth and Kesler out I thought the Sedins would have to shoulder a lot more of the load, so it's nice to see others stepping up.
Give me five essential Canucks follows that you'd recommend to a Canucks fan, who was thinking about joining Twitter, as a "starter pack"?
The Falconer
- @PassItToBulis - These guys give humorous yet informative takes on Canucks news and happenings. I almost always learn something from them, and usually laugh.... Mostly with them, sometimes at them.
- @Botchford - Canucks beat writer for the Province, Team1040 Morning co-host, all around funny and informative guy with just enough of a snarky side to keep things interesting. Very obviously not on the team payroll.
- @MarioMontega - Gotta represent the #shapcrew in here, and this guy is one of the leaders. Mario questions everything the Canucks do, and everyone on their payroll, but he does it from a place of love, and he makes twitter a better place. He's the anti-Milt.
- @SportsNetMurph - Dan Murphy from Sportsnet is usually one of the first for "breaking" Canucks stories as he travels with the team and is pretty tight with most of the players.
- @Strombone1 - I don't think I need to put the reasons, but this is maybe (?) Roberto Luongo, and he's hilarious, timely, and gives you a great look into the mind of the goalie you thought you knew, but didn't.
Only 5? So difficult cause I'm pretty sure the Canucks have the most interesting fans on twitter.
And also the account listed at the end of this article.
Crown Royal
- @Botchford- Interactive Province writer who engages in shap
- @ThomasDrance and @CamCharron- do alot of great work in advanced stats and covering hockey in general
- @Taj1944- One of the few must follows for Canucks fans, usually will be the first to retweet breaking news on your feed.
- @Strombone1- Bobby Lu on twitter, he might've been the sacrificial goat in Vancouver but he is the GOAT athlete on twitter.
Boring as Heck
These aren't necessarily all Canucks follows, but they're all hockey related:
(Editor's Note Part Deux: Big thanks again to Stefan, Grainne, Don and CrownRoyal!)


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At Thanksgiving, we often pause to count our blessings. While we're at it, let's not forget to thank our favorite teachers. "I can't think of any better way to do so than to nominate them for an Arch Coal Teacher Achievement Award," said Wess Sorensen, general manager of Skyline Mine. "There are five awards available, and in addition to some well-deserved recognition, each recipient gets $3,500.
"It's good to be thankful for our teachers, but even better to reward them and let many others know the quality of their efforts, too," Sorensen added.
Classroom teachers in Carbon, Emery, Sanpete and Sevier counties are eligible for the awards program. The counties surround the Dugout Canyon, Skyline and Sufco mines operated by Canyon Fuel Company, a subsidiary of major U.S. coal producer Arch Coal, Inc. Nomination forms are available in area schools, partner locations and on the Internet at www.archteacherawards.com.
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A 78th-minute try saw France recover to claim a 26-24 victory over England in a breathless Six Nations clash at the Stade de France.
A 78th-minute try saw France recover to claim a 26-24 victory over England in a breathless Six Nations clash at the Stade de France on Saturday.
What a game!
France led 16-8 at the interval thanks to two early tries from Yoann Huget before Mike Brown scored just before the break to keep England in the contest.
An incredible comeback from England saw a 16-3 advantage for France at the end of the first quarter turn into 16-21 in England's favour going into the final 20 minutes, as Luther Burrell touched down and Danny Care slotted a drop goal.
France produced the best half-hour of the Philippe Saint-André era to start the game but progressively ran out of steam against an England side that went from strength to strength.
It was the home team that would have the last laugh though as a Gael Fickou try at the death sealed a memorable win.
France dominated at scrum time but England will harbour a number of regrets having seen their pack take the game by the scruff of the neck and dominating most of the second half.
It's worth repeating – what a game!
France got off to the perfect start when Huget latched onto a grubber from debutant fly-half Jules Plisson, stepped past the wrong-footed Mike Brown and raced home after just 32 seconds.
Jean-Marc Doussain missed the conversion, Owen Farrell pulled a penalty back for England before Doussain hit the target with his second kick at goal to leave France 8-3 ahead at the end of a frantic opening ten minutes.
The pace didn't slow though as Huget bagged his second try of the first quarter. The French wing beat a poor tackle from Alex Goode before passing inside to Brice Dulin, whose chip ahead bounced favourably for his flying team-mate.
Again Doussain missed the conversion but found the mark shortly afterwards as France's superiority at scrum time earned a penalty that gave the hosts a 16-3 lead.
England finished the half strongly however, and Brown's try just before the break kept his team alive. Care took the bold decision to run a very kickable penalty but he linked with Billy Vunipola and Brown beat three defenders, stretching an arm out over the whitewash in the corner.
Farrell missed the conversion but England came out of the dressing room after the interval breathing fire.
Care was denied a try when he was held inches short of the line but Farrell reduced the gap to five points with penalty.
England drew level after Vunipola bust through the French defence for the umpteenth time, offloading to Burrell, who could cruise in under the sticks.
Farrell's conversion gave England the lead for the first time as France's fast start seemed like a distant memory.
A cheeky drop-goal from Care ensured England got something in return for their sustained pressure as the hosts' composure disintegrated.
Maxime Machenaud and Goode traded penalties but although England clearly held the upper hand, they were unable to land the killer blow as Tom Youngs failed to find his jumpers at a five-metre lineout, letting a golden opportunity slip by.
With the game hanging in the balance, Dimitri Szarzewski bolted into space, held his line before finding Fickou, who dummied past Goode to score behind the posts and leave Machenaud with an easy conversion.
Man of the match: Huget scored two tries and both Yannick Nyanga and Danny Care deserve mentions but we'll go for Billy Vunipola, who went forward every time he got the ball, irrespective of how many defenders were on hand to stop him.
Moment of the match: Only one option here, Dimitri Szarzewski's break and pass to Gael Fickou to break English hearts and set up wild celebrations in the French capital.
Villain of the match: No real nasty stuff worth mentioning.
The scorers:
For France:
Tries: Huget 2, Fickou
Cons: Machenaud
Pens: Doussain 2, Machenaud
For England:
Tries: Brown, Burrell
Con: Farrell
Pens: Farrell 2, Goode
Drop: Care
France: 15 Brice Dulin, 14 Yoann Huget, 13 Mathieu Bastareaud, 12 Wesley Fofana, 11 Maxime Médard, 10 Jules Plisson, 9 Jean-Marc Doussain, 8 Louis Picamoles, 7 Bernard Le Roux, 6 Yannick Nyanga, 5 Pascal Papé (c), 4 Alexandre Flanquart, 3 Nicolas Mas, 2 Benjamin Kayser, 1 Thomas Domingo
Replacements: 16 Dimitri Szarzewski, 17 Yannick Forestier, 18 Rabah Slimani, 19 Yoann Maestri, 20 Antoine Burban, 21 Damien Chouly, 22 Maxime Machenaud, 23 Gael Fickou
England: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Jack Nowell, 13 Luther Burrell, 12 Billy Twelvetrees, 11 Jonny May, 10 Owen Farrell, 9 Danny Care, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Chris Robshaw (c), 6 Tom Wood, 5 Courtney Lawes, 4 Joe Launchbury, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Dylan Hartley, 1 Joe Marler
Replacements: 16 Tom Youngs, 17 Mako Vunipola, 18 Henry Thomas, 19 Dave Attwood, 20 Ben Morgan, 21 Lee Dickson, 22 Brad Barritt, 23 Alex Goode
Venue: Stade de France, Paris
Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant Referees: Alain Rolland (Ireland), Stuart Berry (South Africa)
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The Rise and Fall of Darryl Sutter - Part 1: Sutter's Genius
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January 04 2011 08:46AM
Few figures in the history of the Calgary Flames have been more contentious than Darryl Sutter. Both universally loved and universally reviled at points during his seven year reign as the club's general manager, Sutter is a man of competing, dichotomous narratives: the idiot and the savant, if you will. each seemingly valid and both worthy of further inspection. In this post, the first of a six-part series, I investigate the roots and inception of his rise to power in Calgary.
Darryl Sutter arrived in Calgary with an already strong reputation in the hockey community. The second oldest of the Sutter brothers, Darryl played 406 games in the NHL before retiring and becoming a member of the coaching fraternity. Hardworking and ill-tempered on the ice, Darryl brought a similar temperament behind the bench for the Chicago Blackhawks (1992-1995) and San Jose Sharks (1997-2003) before landing in Calgary in place of Greg Gilbert.
Sutter was Mike Keenan's assistant coach in Chicago, debuting on a high note in 1992 when the club would finish first in the Norris division with 106 points. To this day, that total remains the best of coaching - and managing - career.
The Blackhawks extended fall from grace would begin apace the next season however and bottom-out in 1994-95 with a 53 point campaign. The failure resulted in a round of firings and Darryl would find himself unemployed until San Jose came calling in 1997.
An inchoate franchise at the time, the Sharks had stumbled through a number of their early years with some modest success and a few play-off upsets (Detroit Red Wings, Calgary Flames) under their belts. However, the years 1995-97 marked a solid step backward for the franchise, with successive bottom-of-the-ladder finishes and a return to the dreaded "rebuild".
Like his arrival in Calgary, Darryl Sutter was brought in to firm up a sagging organization. The Sharks would hover around the .500 mark for the first three of Sutter's years as the head coach before finally posting winning records in 2000-01 (95 points) and 2001-02 (97 points).
Despite the ascension, their play-off success remained marginal, only twice advancing as far as the second round. In 2003, the team stumbled out of the gates amidst contract disputes with Evgeni Nabokov and Mike Rathje. The resultant 9-12-2-1 record was enough to cut Sutter's time in Northern California short.
Despite the ignominious end to his tenure in San Jose, Darryl's stock had risen around the league as a result of the Sharks franchise-best seasons he was able to author from 2000 to 2002. He remained out of work mere days before the Calgary Flames came calling.
Similar to the Sharks in 1997, the Flames had largely been wandering in the wilderness prior to Sutter's arrival. The club hadn't seen the post-season for nearly a decade and despite the growing abilities of Jarome Iginla, the mood around Calgary had settled into one of resigned hopelessness.
The fanbase had seen former franchise icons Al MacInnis, Doug Gilmour, Mike Vernon, Joe Nieuwendyk and Theoren Fleury escape to greener pastures as the club's fortunes turned from success to failure in the mid-90's. The stars were replaced mostly by failed experiments, ill-fated draft picks and the budget brothers of established NHL difference makers. Rob Neidermayer and Valeri Bure were elevated to positions of prominence in Calgary if only because of the dearth of other options.
The Flames perpetual rebuild was dubbed "The Young Guns" era by the franchise in a futile effort to sell hope to the fanbase, one that was rapidly falling into apathy in spite of a solid, enduring foundation of grass-roots support. That particular marketing campaign became synonymous with the dark-ages of the organization and remains a pejorative term to this day in Calgary.
The lackluster results and sky-rocketing payroll expenses conspired to deliver large splashes of red-ink to the Flames books, limiting the club's player budget. Nonetheless, former GM Craig Button struggled against such constraints and made a number of noteworthy moves in an effort to revive the team's ailing fortunes and credibility. He acquired Chris Drury and Roman Turek from the Avalanche and Blues respectively, but the pair flopped in the face of unrealistic expectations.
Calgary continued to flounder in the Western Conference basement.
Until, that is, the arrival of Darryl Sutter.
Ostensibly hired to replace Gilbert behind the bench, Sutter would soon depose the aforementioned Button as well, emerging as the club's head coach and GM in 2003-04.
On a number of occasions, including the recent press conference in which he announced Sutter's resignation, team president Ken King used the word "genius" to describe Darryl. That superlative seemed an apt one through the early years of his reign, when Sutter almost singlehandedly orchestrated the Flames return to competitiveness and respectability.
Everything Darryl touched turned to gold initially: modest deals to acquire marginal supporting-role type players like Marcus Nilson, Rhett Warrener, Chris Simon and Vile Nieminen seemed uncanny and prophetic when the rag-tag bunch made the 2004 Stanley Cup run.
Not that Darryl's Midas touch was limited to the roster's edges. Inside of his first three seasons, Sutter would perpetrate three of the most lop-sided trades in recent memory: Miikka Kiprusoff for a second round pick, Daymond Langkow for Oleg Saprykin and Denis Gauthier and Kristian Huselius for Steve Montador and Dustin Johner.
All three players would become difference makers of varying degrees for the Flames going forward and the best asset Sutter surrendered in the deals was Montador (or technincally, Marc-Edouard Vlasic, who was chosen by the Sharks with the Flames second round pick).
The Kipper, Langkow and Huselius moves were masterful in retrospect given their success, but were also low-risk, high-reward gambles at the time. Langkow was a former first round pick and an established 20+ goal scorer who had spent the previous three seasons doing the heavy lifting for a bad club in Phoenix.
He became one of the three best forwards on the club the instant he was acquired. Huselius, although suffering a rotten season under the baleful glare of Mike Keenan at the time of the trade, had a solid history of offensive numbers behind him with two consecutive 20 goal seasons as a rookie and sophomore in Florida. Juice also led the Swedish Elite League in scoring during the lock-out with 49 points in just 34 games.
The team he played for - Linkoping HC - also featured Brendan Morrison, Mike Knuble and Johan Franzen, none of whom approached Huselius' scoring rate. The lanky Swede formed a potent duo with Daymond Langkow in Calgary and was the Flames most efficient producer of points on the power-play during his time in town.
Kipper remains the grand slam of Darryl Sutter moves, however. Picked up to fill a void caused by injuries to Roman Turek and Jamie McLennan, Kiprusoff was relegated to a third string goalie in San Jose thanks to their wealth of options (Nabokov and a still functional Vesa Toskala) as well as the 20-game cold stretch in 2002 that saw Darryl fired as coach and Kipper himself fall out of favor in the Sharks organization.
Sutter reached back through his portal of former allegiances (something he would repeat often as the Flames GM) and plucked what was to become the best goalie in the league for the following two+ seasons for the price of a single, second round draft pick. The familiarity meant that Sutter was no doubt aware of Kiprusoff's physical abilities as well as the solid pedigree that saw him post impressive numbers in both the Finnish Elite League and the AHL.
Of course, Sutter's influence stretched beyond front office negotiations and player acquisition in the formative years. Coach and figurehead, Darryl firmly steered a moribund organization back to vitality by imbuing the players and franchise with his virtually patented contempt for losing.
As the Flames atrophied from champion to also-rans to bottom feeders, the club spent the latter part of the 90's with tattered hopes gripped in nervous hands, unendingly burdened with expectations of failure. The fans and players had grown used to hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. The path that led back to success was ill-rendered and, like an unobtainable desire, best forgotten.
Sutter's arrival signaled an attitudinal change. Merely hoping to win was no longer acceptable. The grim scowl and taciturn manner that was both a signature and an indictment by the end of his time in Calgary was, in fact, a welcome and celebrated signal to Flames fans when he was hired: here was a man who detested failure and would brook no acceptance of it.
He sketched his contempt across his face without apology and communicated it to his players and the press constantly. He instituted policies that became pillars upon which the Flame's early success were built: always expect to beat your closest rivals (Edmonton Oilers) and never play an easy game in your own building. Cliches and the basest of expectations upon first glance, but they were policies enacted with firm, unbending expectations that they be met.
Behind the bench, Sutter molded a motley collection of plumbers into a fierce, aggressive, thoroughly unpleasant opponent. In 2003-04, featuring little more than Iginla, Regehr, Kipper and a host of third liners, the club finished with 94 points and a +24 goal differential. Much of that can probably be hung on Kipper's .933 SV%, but the truth is the Flames only allowed 25.5 shots against per game that year (fifth best in the league) and despite their rather lackluster forward corps finished with a positive shot differential as well (+1.9/game).
The Flames trapped fiercely with Sutter at the helm and took full advantage of the lax obstruction rules prior to the lock-out. During one particular pounding of the Bruins that season, I remember a member of the Boston organization (coach or player, can't recall) remarking ruefully "all they do is ice the puck". And that wasn't too far from the truth. Darryl Sutter's Flames turned the neutral zone into a quagmire and the corners into dungeons of woe.
Everyone finished checks and they hit to hurt. They hooked. They held. They crowded the ice surface with sweat and violence. Everyone hated playing them. It was a welcome change for Flames fans after years of Calgary being perceived as "the easy W" on the schedule of their rivals. They followed up in 2005-06 by winning the division in roughly the same manner, although the crack down on obstruction put a dampener on some of the rough stuff.
The club's overall talent remained humble outside a few of the cornerstone players, but the Flames were fiercely competitive on a nightly basis.
Of course, the culmination of Sutter's coaching, attitude and roster changes was the fabled cup run of 2003-04. While simply making the post-season was a momentous event that year, the city exploded in rapture when the Flames unexpectedly made it past the first round and beyond.
After all, the last time the club had won a playoff series was 1989 - the year of it's only championship. Long dormant memories of success were awakened. New fans were carved from a once sleepy market. Hope for the present and the future blossomed in the hearts of Flames faithful for the first time since the team started routinely falling to lower seeds in the early '90s.
It was a revolution. A renaissance. And a single man seemed to be the heart and cause of the re-awakening.
January 04 2011, 09:16AM
OK lets start moving forward, the mad scientist isn't around anymore. All that is left is the legacy of his work.
January 04 2011, 10:00AM
Good read. I for one applaud D. Sutter for his time here. Regardless of how the last year and half went, he was the catalyst to the expectations this city, organization and team now have. He quickly transformed a dismal organization into a contender. He, like the rest of us, wanted to win now. We traded the future to take a run at it, it failed. I don't think it is an easy thing trying to build a championship team but Darryl gave us 6 years of playoff hockey; for the most part as a true contender. It was time for fresh blood but still, thank you Darryl Sutter for trying.
Nice piece Kent.
Maybe this is coming up in your next post, but one other part of the Sutter "aura" in terms of turning around the public perception of the team was that this was going to be a team based on Western Canadian, primarily Albertan, players with the WHL mentality and philosophy. Where he couldn't find the Western Canadian player for a spot, he looked for those that had the same kind of mentality.
This philosophy of team building largely corresponded with the city of Calgary experiencing something of a coming of age during the economic boom of 2004 to 2008. As a community Calgary became much more vocal and forceful in asserting the benefits of economic and political beliefs that are more mainstream in Calgary than in other parts of North America. The vision of an Albertan GM and coach, bringing the hometown type of boys home to whoop the tar out of whatever outside opposition came in really resonated in the community at that time.
Aside from his early success, this overall method of team building the image of the Flames was one of the reasons he was so revered in the City.
It's always good to look back on the reality of Darryl's tenure.
I don't hate the guy, he did some good things. He did however fall off the rails of late. Meaning the last couple years.
I mean really, who signs Jokinen AGAIN?? As if he knew he was getting turfed decided to give a NMC to him as his final HA HA!
Touche Darryl, Touche.
January 04 2011, 11:28AM
I think it was during the latest HNIC boradcast that they were discussing that fact that Darryl and Brent haven't spoken and that Darryl isn't returning anyones texts/messages...Elliot Friedman had a blog about how Darryl was looking to have Brent fired and MGT ended up firing him instead. What a little soap opera we have here!
i agree it was time for a change but the man no matter how he did it loved this organization and the city. he did what he could and yes it unraveled the last 1.5 yrs but i admire the passion he had for the team.
Nice Work Kent, an enjoyable read, looking forward to the upcoming additions.
I always liked Darryl, if for nothing more than the fact that he did whatever he could to try and win now. Some GM's might be scared off by making trades, but not Darryl. It was exciting knowing that at anytime the Flames could bring in a star player.
Watching HNIC on the weekend, and of course They talked about blowing up the flames, and rebuilding, then they went on to burn edmonton about how they should be better and how much the suck. Even though a year ago everyone expected the oilers rebuild to take years, one year later they are impatient and demanding more. Same will happen here in Calgary. All the media want a blow up and rebuild cause it makes for good conversation. And then something to continually rag on when the rebuilding team struggles.
I can now say I am fully against a blow up, but significant changes should be made ( get rid of Brent, "who calls a T.O after the Isles score two, and then put the Kotalik line out????"
Anyway thats my rant, I appreciate the review of Darryl's work that your doing Kent! Keep'em Coming!
"It was a revolution. A renaissance. And a single man seemed to be the heart and cause of the re-awakening."
Precisely. His name is Miikka Kiprusoff.
"It was a revolution. A renaissance. And a single man seemed to be the heart and cause of the re-awakening."
Precisely. His name is Miikka Kiprusoff.
Exactly, Kipper is the reason this team had any sucess post lockout.
Exactly, Kipper is the reason this team had any sucess post lockout.
As much as I agree that Kiprusoff deserves a Lion's share of the individual on-ice credit for the teams success since the lockout. One guy on the ice is never going to surpass the strength of a well-built team.
Unfortunately, when Sutter took the Flames, he took them when they existed in a deficit. From there, he built a respectable team out of very little. Kiprusoff was a key acquisition, but I do doubt that even Sutter knew exactly what he was getting, otherwise Kipper wouldn't have been in the situation he was in San Jose. Sutter also, unfortunately, suffered the unlucky fate of having two prime years, sliced into one with the effect of the lockout.
Kiprusoff does deserve credit after joining the team and since that time putting up arguably the third best performance in the NHL since 03/04 regardless of how you prefer to combine measures of goalie performance (whether it be evsv%, wins, vezina's, gaa, stanley cup runs, big saves, lucky rabbits feet or record-year stats.)
However, as good as Kipper was, he hasn't stopped shots at the same rate as Vokoun (from mostly worse teams) or Luongo (from mostly better teams) and much better than Fleury (who has had more Cup success)
I don't know the best measure of team effects on goaltending or vice-versa, and the ones I have seen have massive deficiencies, but I do know the entire 21 player roster is more important than any 1 goalie on any team.
For a re-birth of the Calgary Flames team Darryl deserves a hell of a lot of credit and it's more than just getting lucky with the Kipper trade.
January 04 2011, 03:53PM
i was at that boston game, obviously. one of my favorite all-time memories.
boston was mired in an ugly slump having won just two of their previous 12 games, and there were, being generous 12,000 people in a building that holds 17,565.
guy next to me saw my flames jersey and said they didn't stand a chance and would i like to bet 100 on the outcome? i was broke at the time, so i don't know why i said yes.
it was 2-0 through one and the flames just punished the bruins for the entire first 20 minutes, slowing the game to a crawl. it was wonderfully ugly. oliwa got in two separate fights.
when calgary went up 3 midway through the second, the guy handed me a hundred dollar bill and left. i ate many nachos that night.
January 04 2011, 07:29PM
i was at that boston game, obviously. one of my favorite all-time memories.
boston was mired in an ugly slump having won just two of their previous 12 games, and there were, being generous 12,000 people in a building that holds 17,565.
guy next to me saw my flames jersey and said they didn't stand a chance and would i like to bet 100 on the outcome? i was broke at the time, so i don't know why i said yes.
it was 2-0 through one and the flames just punished the bruins for the entire first 20 minutes, slowing the game to a crawl. it was wonderfully ugly. oliwa got in two separate fights.
when calgary went up 3 midway through the second, the guy handed me a hundred dollar bill and left. i ate many nachos that night.
You should do this in a 'narrator' voice and submit it to Sportsnet for their fan commercial contest.
January 04 2011, 08:39PM
great piece, kent, i look forward to the next five.
i presume you're going chronologically cause daz made a couple of genius moves later in his tenure; rene bourque for a 2nd, flipping tanguay for cammalleri at the '08 draft, and letting theoren fleury play the '09 preseason. if this is the only one exhibiting his genius, you might've missed those... ;)
It's a shame that Sutter killed all the fun on this team. I mean, I still remember the one game vs. Anaheim in 2002 or so...
You know, the one where Berube ran Giguere, Sawyer ran Vernon, and then a brawl is set off, continuing each time after the puck drop. Regehr fights, Iginla fights, there were 4 fights at once, 2 or 3 more fights, etc etc.
Aaaaahhhhh, the days of Berube, Lydman, Niedermayer, Petrovicky, etc etc etc.
At least that team showed heart when we got pounded.
Darryl did 4 great things: Kipper, Huselius, Cammaleri and Langkow (I didn't then and still don't like the original Tanguay signing).
He also vowed to get younger and faster and instead got older and slower. He got rid of a young, effective blueline group (especially Lydman) seemingly over and over, always trying to make it better with not enough focus or resources spent on the forward group. And it was his acquisition of veterans that killed this team. Which is also what bothers me so much about him - look at those names, they have 2 things in common when acquired. They were young (fairly) and skilled. How do you seemingly have a knack for stealing young, skilled players away from other teams and then proceed to ship half of them out due to some antiquated, old-school philosophy. Or did I just answer my own question?
It's what's bothered me about this team ever since Brian Sutter coached here. This insistence on a rough-tough, grim-and-gritty, western Canadian, down-and-dirty, yee-hah squad of good-'ol boys. That's not at all what our teams were in the glory years of the 80's. Neither was our management group. I desperately miss when this team was all about class and skill - upstairs and on the ice.
Now we're run by a universally despised ex-newspaperman (I hear the fron office at the 'Dome is ready to mutiny)whose idea of leadership was to give dictatorship powers to an out-of-touch, egotistical, arrogant mad man.
Though really, it probably started with letting Risebrough run the team, a guy who shares a lot in common with Darryl. Does this ownership group never learn from the past?
Yeah, times had changed and things were difficult, but if the team had gone through a proper rebuild then (as they should now), we could have traded away all of those assets for a fortune in picks and prospects. Will the ownership group learn from the past this time?
Sutter (and a strong Canadian dollar) saved this city from losing it's team. He deserves a thanks for that. And then some time in an asylum for the last two years. But it was that same attitude of not accepting defeat that got him in trouble.
Here's hoping that whoever is next has their head on straight. I think this city is willing to accept a few years of good regular seasons without sacrificing the future to win it all. We've seen where that gets us.


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Known and Unknown, A Memoir by Donald Rumsfeld
In his memoir released early in 2011, Donald Rumsfeld takes the reader on a 50-year ride through government.
After his three-and-a-half-year stint in the U.S. Navy was up, Rumsfeld Princeton graduate, married, the father of an infant and with his wife suffering from hepatitis set his sights on entering the private sector and beginning his career. While interviewing for jobs he learned about through the Princeton alumni job-placement office, Rumsfeld discovered Ohio Congressman David Dennison was looking for an administrative assistant.
Rumsfeld writes that he and Dennison hit it off immediately. That set off a long and storied career that saw Rumsfeld advance from Congressional staffer, to member of Congress, to the staffs of President Richard Nixon, President Gerald Ford and President George W. Bush. Under the different Presidents, Rumsfeld wore a number of different hats Secretary of Defense (twice), representative to NATO and Chief of Staff were the most prominent and he documents those periods of American history in a way that holds the readers interest.
His descriptions of his time working for Nixon, although mostly spent in Europe as the representative to NATO, provide a fascinating glimpse of Rumsfelds perception of one of the more curious and resilient figures to ever be elected President. Its a reminder that there were many facets of the man whose political career seemed dead more than once.
Known and Unknown, A Memoir contains 815 pages of text, footnotes and index. The first third of the book is devoted to Rumsfelds pre-Bush years in government. But, unsurprisingly, the bulk of the book is devoted to the period from 2001, when Rumsfeld was tapped by Bush as the 21st U.S. Secretary of Defense, through his resignation in November 2006.
As expected, Rumsfeld casts himself as the good guy in the Bush inner circle. He goes to great lengths to explain and justify the Administrations actions following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. But he goes to greater lengths to reveal nothing new. Although he admits mistakes were made, most of the time he claims to have opposed a certain policy or viewpoint but erred in not expressing that opposition forcefully enough.
One thing the book does reveal is the almost-incestuous relationships that develop and remain throughout multiple Administrations. By this I mean the way the various players move from one Administration to the other, often swapping job titles but never changing policy. And Rumsfeld, Vice President Dick Cheney and some other members of the Bush inner circle moved through the various Republican Administrations over the years.
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The official story is that passengers wrested control of Flight 93 from the four hijackers. But Cheney told Rumsfeld at the time that he had given authorization to shoot down the hijacked airliners, and Rumsfelds notes indicate he learned at least one plane was shot down prior to Cheney telling him he had given the authorization to shoot down wayward planes.
"Cheney said, '(I)ts my understanding theyve already taken a couple of aircraft out,' Rumsfeld writes. Rumsfeld then goes on to try to explain away Cheneys comments.
Rumsfeld is a controversial figure who has been cast by some as one of the worse Defense Secretaries in U.S. history and by others as a man who responded appropriately to a very challenging time in U.S. history. The title of his book stems from a statement he made in one of his many news conferences after 9/11, when he said on Feb. 12, 2002, (T)here are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns the ones we dont know we dont know.
What is known is that Rumsfeld and a long line of Republicans who hold and have held elected office and have worked behind the scenes are globalists who believe America should be meddling in the affairs of every country around the world. They are no different than the elitist progressives in America who want to micromanage the lives of Americans.
In fact, they may be worse, because their meddling makes America come off as a bully seeking to establish puppet regimes around the world to benefit American corporatocracy to the detriment of the citizens of the many nations.
If you are fan of the Bush Administration or find reading a varnished version of the nations foreign policy during the Bush years interesting, then this book may be worth the price and the effort it takes to read. If youre hoping to learn something new, save your money.
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Jeffrey A. Bekiares, In Country, on Parole, out of Luck-Regulating away Alien Eligibility for Adjustment of Status Contrary to Congressional Intent and Sound Immigration Policy
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