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Robin Brownlee
March 21 2011 09:38PM
Is it time for the NHL to eliminate fighting?
I've heard that question asked 100 times if I've heard it once in the last 28 years or so writing about hockey for a living, and I've always had the same reaction. I'd look at the Goody Two Shoes asking it like they were some sort of drooling fool, scowl or roll my eyes and say, "Hell, no." Quite often, followed by a barely audible, "Sissy."
When somebody raises the topic or poses the question now, I find I'm not reacting the same way. I'm not sure when my opinion on bare-knuckles fighting changed, and I'm not certain exactly how far it's shifted, but the question no longer offends me.
I don't see the possibility of taking the act of "dropping the gloves" out of hockey as some sort of sacrilegious assault on the integrity of the game. I don't perceive posing the question as a misplaced bit do-good-ism, as a query to be dismissed off-hand because it clashes, rather mightily in my particular case, with the way I've always viewed fisticuffs.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I'm now of the opinion it's a question that is at least worth asking, even if some of you out there are bound to roll your eyes and utter, "Sissy."
When people used to raise the issue of fighting, I'd say," It's part of the game." It seemed like a handy default answer. Hockey players have been punching each other senseless since the first puck hit the ice, so, in that regard, yes, it's part of the game.
Then again, having goaltenders play bare-faced was once part of the game. I'm old enough to remember it. If you're in your 20s or even 30s, think about that. Goaltenders used to face shooters bare-faced -- slap shots, screened shots. Pile-ups in the crease, skate blades, sticks. Now, if a goaltender loses his mask, the referee blows the whistle.
Having players play without helmets was once part of the game. I used to figure that was a personal choice by players and so did the NHL -- use of helmets was grandfathered in and bare-headed players, Craig MacTavish was the last, disappeared. A bad thing?
Take something as basic as the netting required in the end zone of rinks to protect fans from wayward pucks. After 13-year-old Britannie Cecil died after being struck in the head by a puck in a game between the Blue Jackets and Calgary Flames in March 2002, the NHL mandated safety netting would be installed in rinks. There was great debate.
"Netting? We won't be able to see" or "You can't put netting in. We've never had netting." A young girl died but there was still debate. Do we give netting a thought now?
Times change. And when people are permanently injured or even killed because of what we do and how we do it, even allowing for reasonable risks that are inherent in a game like hockey, they should.
I don't like what doctors found when they looked at Bob Probert's brain. I'm uncomfortable Raitis Ivanans hasn't played a game since a Steve MacIntyre punch dropped him like he'd been shot in the head. There was a time when I wouldn't have given the brain injuries suffered by Probert and Ivanans a second throught. Part of the job.
Framed in what we're learning about brain injuries suffered by athletes and the long-term effects of those injuries, I'm wondering if we should take another look at what we consider "part of the game."
I'm conflicted about that. I've always felt something of a kinship with hockey tough guys, players who take up that last spot or two on a roster because they're willing to bend noses and kick ass, to take care of business and ride shotgun, to put themselves in harm's way.
Guys like Rudy Poeschek, the toughest player I have ever known, and Georges Laraque, a sweetheart away from the rink who I know well and spent many years on the road with. All the hammers, really.
I admire them and always have. Now, I fear for them, well-paid for being ruffians or not.
This isn't knee-jerk stuff for me. As long-time readers at Oilersnation know, I did the tough guy gig as a lacrosse player. I scrapped some as a hockey player. I had boxing gloves and a heavy bag hanging in my garage from the time I was 13 years old.
I was a big kid -- six-foot-two and about 205 pounds by the time I was 14. I liked to fight. I got my ass kicked more times than I remember because of it. Concussions? I don't know how many. Too many.
It was part of the game and it was my job and a way to be a part of the team. I did it until I got tired of getting beat up and hurting all the time. I got sick of seeing my mom with tears in her eyes because I'd busted my nose or a knuckle again or had punched out another kid. It was not part of the game for her.
Those days long gone, I still enjoyed fighting. I had all the fight tapes in the old VCR days. Later, I had all of the fight websites bookmarked on my computer. I've watched Poeschek and Craig Berube pound each other 1,000 times. Trevor Senn? Look him up. The arrival of YouTube? There's a smorgasbord of mayhem. Great stuff, right?
We didn't know then -- especially going back to when I was 15 or 25 or even 35 -- what we know now, what the medical evidence is telling us about brain injuries. About what happens to the players who bring the crowd to their feet when the gloves hit the ice.
So, if the NHL is taking steps to reduce the number of concussions its players sustain by eliminating headshots from the game, how long can it allow players to drop their gloves and punch each other because "it's part of the game." Because it entertains us?
I know the numbers in recent NHL studies on concussions -- Mark Spector at Sportsnet, among others, has written some compelling stuff on this -- show fighting isn't nearly the biggest culprit when it comes to brain injuries. Cheap stuff like Matt Cooke got suspended for and legal hits during the course of a game account for many more.
That said, based on what we know now, how many brain injuries are OK? What's the number? If the NHL is finds it unacceptable for a player to target the head of another player with a shoulder or an elbow, how much longer can it accept that doing it with a fist is part of the game? I don't have the answer.
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March 21 2011, 10:34PM
IMO, the day that boxing is outlawed will be the day fighting in the NHL should be outlawed.
March 21 2011, 10:38PM
I'm all for a meaningful tilt (presupposing there is such a thing as 'meaningful') between two hockey players.
but the "Wanna go?" "Wanna go?" from two guys who belong in that gong show on ice in BC a couple of years back...that needs to be legislated out of the game. (and it wouldn't really be that hard)
Guys like Macintyre and Ivanins - they have absolutely no part left in the game whatsoever. Their role is meaningless - they don't DO anything, they intimidate no one.
March 21 2011, 10:23PM
I'm one of those fans that loves his fighting. I might get labelled a dinosaur, but that's fine by me.
I don't wish anyone a brain injury, but concussions will never be eradicated until hockey is no longer a contact sport. Maybe I'll enjoy flag hockey, but I hope it doesn't come to that.
How many times did the stretcher come out before the instigator rule was implemented. How many times did the stretcher come out before obstruction penalties showed up? I don't have the numbers myself, but I have a gut feeling that both of those rule changes have lead to a increase in these more serious incidents.
Also, I love a good fight in the heat of the game. However, I have really grown to dislike the pre-arranged, staged fights that the heavyweights generally engage in these days. You can't call these guys enforcers anymore. Would SMac have jumped Cooke if he had hit Hemsky or Hall in the head? Unlikely because he's out of his weight class and Cooke would have to agree to the fight these days (unlikely). Did big Georges or Smac ever call out Regehr for taking liberties on our talent? If the answer is no, then why keep the big boys around?
I understand that Probert's brain didn't look so good when they looked at it. However, it would be nice to protect the majority of players brains from dangerous elbows by making on ice sheriffs legal again.
I enjoy a spirited ice hockey contest, but fighting is a relic of the past and has no place in the game anymore.
While I can understand the health risks involved, hockey is a violent sport. Players risk long-term injury just stepping onto the ice.
I think the NHL should increase punishments for violent behavior of all kinds, as that will be the only thing that will make a guy think twice before attempting to injure.
IMO, the most fair way of doling out this punishment would be to suspend a player the length of time the injured player is out.
Still, fighting is part of the fabric of the game and should have it's place.
March 21 2011, 10:19PM
I think there's still a place in the NHL for fighting, but more and more I'm starting to see less reason for the super heavyweights/goons. The MacIntyre's, the Gillies, the Boogards, etc. The guys who hardly take a regular shift and who's soul purpose is to fight each other. Honestly, when was the last time we saw Mac take on someone other than his doppelganger on the other team? Have we ever seen that?
These guys are always fan favorites and I'm sure all the boys in the room enjoy them just as much, if not more, but I don't think there's any need for them. They're clearly not out there protecting anyone, so what exactly are they there for? Bring on more Lucic's, Dorsett's, Simmond's, etc. Guys who can chuck em when they have to but can still play at least 8+ minutes a night and contribute.
First off get rid of the goons who play one or two shifts a night for one fight. Bring in guys who can play hockey again, how many monsters played in the past. If they couldn't contribute in some way, other then fighting they didn't play in the NHL. That should leave you with fights from the heat of the moment which will probably happen even if you were to ban fighting. Look at it this way even Sidney Crosby had a fight this year, and he is definitely not in the NHL for fighting and neither is Taylor Hall. That said it would be interesting if you had guys who could play the game, as well as fight. How many guys would be out of jobs 10 maybe 15 super heavy weights who aren't good enough to play a regular shift. That's all i have to say!!!!
Instigator rule would help. If I'm Matt Cooke I'd think twice knowing macintyre was coming for me. I'd still probably throw it, but I'd think about it. After I got tooled I may not throw it again.
Dirty players don't seem to like getting hurt
Goalies faced shots when the blades of players sticks were straight and couldnt shoot it 90+ mph. Still goalies back then were guttsy and rather crazy in my opinion.
The NHL is becoming a joke and it is really starting to drive me crazy. They wanted to fix the game so badly for their US fans cause it was to slow and to many stops in play ( and americans are raised on football so I never understood that fact). So they tightened up the hooking and holding plays and this resulted in a faster game but it opened up a new problem in my eyes. The only way a player can get the puck off an opposing player is by taking the body. If you watch the Oil from the 80's you dont see many big thundering hits to lodge of puck off the players stick, you saw so much holding and grabbing and hooking and it often resulted in a quick easy way to get the puck. But now the only way you can stay in the NHL is if you arent soft, you need to finish your checks and take the body hard. The NHL has now made it esseintial to lay someone out or hammer them into the boards cause that is the only way you can dismember the man from the puck. This resulting in the concussions that are happening so often.
Also teh NHL got rid of the instigator rule so there isnt any line brawls but instead you get guys like Matt Cooke, Patrick Kaleta, Sean Avery running around hitting guys and star players with no regard cause they know no one is going to fight them if those turtles dont want to.
The nhl is a joke and run by a bunch of people that have never played the game and dont understand why it was run the way it was 30 years ago
I think fighting needs to stay in the game, but fights for the sake of fights don't. When two players get frustrated and fight, I have no problem with it as it's a lot less likely to cause an injury than a cheap shot or dangerous crosscheck into the boards. It serves a purpose or reducing frustration and can turn the game around.
Fighting is much safer and much less likely to cause long term complications in regular (non-goon) players than the alternatives. A blind side hit to the head, or an elbow, or a cross check that sends player headfirst into the boards have a much higher probability of causing a serious injury with lasting effects
As for fighting in juniors, I'm all for largely eliminating it at that level as concussions have much more devastating long term effects at that age than in 20 - 30 year olds. At least require the players to keep their gloves on at that level (maybe make that the rule in the NHL too if your worried about injuries from fights)
The fight is necessary. Stars get hurt and if the fight doesn't happen, someone is getting a knee taken out, or worse.
I agree with RB. But there is no other form of flagrant foul, late hit, late (soccer) tackle, or hit by pitch, that is accepted and safely replaces hockey's fisticuffs.
The fighting GOON is all but gone though. Thank God.
Sorry RB but I disagree. Your point is to remove fighting to increase the safety for the players, no more punches to the head. Sure there are some fights in the game that are pointless but then there are some fights that are purely done for the safety of team mates .....accountability...... When some A hole takes a run at someone and has their elbows up or hits them in the numbers there is a lot more risk of serious injury in that than the ensuing fight. The fight took place to try and "encourage" the A hole from doing that again, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't but it was done in the name of accountability (big word for safety).
For me, the only time you can get rid of fighting is when you get rid of hitting and the A holes. I'm sure none of us want to see a game with no hitting.
In a word, you get rid of fighting you get rid of accountibilty, look what the instigator rule has done!!!!
Brownlee, this is one of those odd pieces that I can really relate to. I feel much the same way you do.
I loved the hockey fight compilations. I loved Dave Brown when he was an Oiler and always had a soft spot for the enforcer, but as you wrote, times change and we evolve.
I now find myself being one of those guys I used to mock. I just don't think it belongs in our game anymore. I think visors should be madatory too.
It is interesting that the big cry today is the head shots and how the NHL has to get it out of the game yet they allow fighting which is in effect a licence to hit the other guy in the head.
I'm not sure if it still belongs in the game. It's a darn good question.
Impressive article Robin. Good for you for going against the tide and being ballsy enough to present both sides of the dilemma. You raise some very good questions there. Instead of giving the cliche'd old answer, "its part of the game" or, "the fans love it" like some media types do, you analyzed that in a very fair manner. Truth is, some fans love it. But how many more fans would the NHL get if they got rid of it?
Heavy stuff RB. I've been a it's part of the game crowd for a long time too, but it's definitely something to ponder. Probably my biggest fear taking fighting out of the game is being able to protect the skill players properly. Having the Otts, Burrows and Clutterbucks taking liberties with Hall and Eberle and not being able to make them accountable would be tough to watch.
And at what point do you draw the line? Body checking causes injuries. Slapshots cause injuries. Poor ice conditions cause injuries.
Hockey players choose to fight and know the risks. I choose to drive race cars. I stalk bears with a bow and arrow. I sled in the mountains. I drive my quad like a maniac. I know the risks involved in those things and am thankful I am able to do these things if I want. If two hockey players in the heat of a game want to drop the gloves, I still think they should be able to choose to do so, knowing the risks involved.
I worry about how chippy the game will become if there are no consequences for your actions.
(American) Football is to Rugby As No Fighting Hockey is to Hockey
March 21 2011, 10:26PM
I worry about how chippy the game will become if there are no consequences for your actions.
Pretty sure we're already well past that point. And unfortunately with all this head shot stuff putting fuel on the ban fighting argument I don't think we'll ever see the instigator be removed, which is a shame. You think Matt Cooke would still be throwing elbows and hits to the numbers if he got his nose broken three or four times at the beginning of his career because of it? I doubt it.
March 21 2011, 10:38PM
Brains and knees.
That's the same.
@Zamboni Driver
Sorry Zamboni, I forgot connecting the dots was hard for some people. What I am asking is, has the ability to mend otherwise career ending injuries increased the career length of the average NHL career. If so, it would follow that players are subject to more and more hits/fights over time, thus leading to greater overall head trauma. I would be curious to find an answer to that question.
You are right...knees and heads are not the same.
The game of hockey doesn't need to be childproof at the NHL level. Don't want fighting, go play inline hockey.
So you agree we should take it out of juniors? Good.
My dad was a boxer and I grew up fighting, but you know it all just seems silly now. I think it seems a bit silly in the NHL as well.
Some pretty good hockey is played without fighting. Ban headshots, elbows, etc. Make those five and a game.
On another note, anyone who thinks that nobody disrespected other players in the 1960s probably is operating with selective memory.
March 22 2011, 12:24AM
A good read RB. I think the comments before me by Kodiak, velo, and jeanshorts, have nailed this one: fighting is a choice, and see if the players will wake-up and move away from the goon staged fights to a more spontaneous kind-of scrapping (i.e. the Hall/Dorsett bout from a few weeks back). I worry about the days when hockey is stripped of it's violent heritage, whittled down to a game of non-contact puck chasing by those clamouring for a cleaner, safer product. I already think the modern game to be overproduced and hyper-regulated as is. Every game has 25 HD cameras on it, leaving no player/coach/fan safe from public scrutiny. Ovechkin, one of the game's most talented players, wears a visor so dark you can hardly see his face. Players are so well conditioned they don't even look tired after 3 rounds of playoff hockey anymore. And, jerseys are mostly black, dark blue, or white, rendering the game asthetically dull and bland (Though the Oilers' home blues are an exception. Especially with similar road whites to be introduced next season - wooo!). The NHL, not unlike it's other professional relatives, has become a homogenized sport in look and feel: one lacking creativity and personality from top to bottom. Do away with fighting and the need for players with heightened levels of brute strength and toughness will go with it. That would be a shame, no doubt.
I believe fighting is a part of the game, sure you can take it out but it would never be the same. What would the Taylor Hall's of the league do to finally "stand up for themselves"? I suppose a good two hand across the back of the legs would work? Hopefully they wouldn't be forced to pull a McSorley if they were extremely aggravated. I also suppose that the Hall's wouldn't have to stand up for themselves because the next thing to control would be the hitting. Remove fighting and the 8% (think I saw that somewhere) of hockey related concussions that they cause, but the next target will be what most casual hockey fans already see as a big problem, body checking. It could be 10, 20 years down the road but if they take fighting out of the game I would be willing to bet hitting is gone within 25 years. By hitting I mean what you would see on rock 'em sock 'em.
On another note, I went to college in the Southern US and they generally could not care less about hockey. College football and basketball followed by pro football and basketball would be about 95% of the their ranking, with baseball sliding in there from time to time. The amount of what I would consider actual NHL fans was extremely minimal, I compare it to the English Premier League fans here, those who wake up at 4:30 to catch the games live, they know the sport. However, the casual NHL fan did exist, and what was their reason for watching? Fights. After many drunken conversations asking how they could possibly not love the NHL, the most popular answer was "you canadians are crazy, I love watching the fights between highlight packages on espn." I would have hockey playing at my place whenever possible, when I had some people over they would look at the TV like there was a cricket game going on, until a fight, then you would think that they have been fans forever.
That is a lot of rambling but my point being if fighting is removed from the game hockey in the southern states will be as popular as the English Premier League, only diehard fans, which is unfortunate hockey is a great game, it will only be diminished removing fighting. However, if the NHL softens up maybe they can draw from the soccer fanbase. Ribeiro being the new Crosby.
How long is it going to take for people to realize fighting in hockey does not reduce cheap shots at all. What does a player like Cooke have to fear if he elbows someone in the head? The other team's goon is not going to come after him. Why did Hall get in to a fight in the first place? The players on the other team had no fear of running him.
What is more entertaining:
1. Playoff hockey or regular season hockey?
2. Olympic hockey or regular season hockey?
3. World Juniors or regular season hockey?
Don't get me wrong, I like to watch a good hockey fight, but its not the reason I watch the game and if it was gone ir wouldn't bother me. Funny how when the games really mean something, fighting virtually disappears.
what exactly has the instigator rule done?
The instigator rule has, IMO, increased the safety for the cheap shot artists, and no one else.
March 22 2011, 10:52AM
How long is it going to take for people to realize fighting in hockey does not reduce cheap shots at all. What does a player like Cooke have to fear if he elbows someone in the head? The other team's goon is not going to come after him. Why did Hall get in to a fight in the first place? The players on the other team had no fear of running him.
What is more entertaining:
1. Playoff hockey or regular season hockey?
2. Olympic hockey or regular season hockey?
3. World Juniors or regular season hockey?
Don't get me wrong, I like to watch a good hockey fight, but its not the reason I watch the game and if it was gone ir wouldn't bother me. Funny how when the games really mean something, fighting virtually disappears.
You're absolutley correct that fighting doesn't reduce cheap shots. Matt Cooke is not going to fight Derek Boogard.
But Playoff, Olympic and World Jr. hockey is better because the games mean more. There will always be "meaningless" regular season games. Taking fighting out of the games isn't going to make it more intense.
With that being said I would be perfectly fine with the designated heavyweight role being eliminated. I like the fights that come about as a result of emotion as opposed to the staged showdowns.
The difficult thing is getting rid of one without the other.
March 22 2011, 11:08AM
Fighting? It's the part of the emotion in the game I believe. Fighting rarely happens even now, with the exception of a few outliers.
Taylor Hall fought because he was sick and tired being pushed around and saved by a teammate. Fighting told the NHL, Taylor won't folder up the tent if he's roughed up. Ankle injury aside, it wasn't the result of the fight, it was a freak accident.
Gorillas in the league the likes of Parros, MacIntyre, Boogard, et al. well... I'm forced to pause. Do they have a place in today's league? Tough to say. Most would argue they do not, because if you can't play hockey, you shouldn't be in the NHL, if you are a damn good fighter, you might make it to the league and play 2 mins a night. Just ask Mac, who played one shift in one game. Was he a value to his team out there? No, no he was not.
I don't think you can take fighting out of the league, but you can limit the amount of times it occurs by removing the pure fighters out and leaving the people that can play hockey in.
Also, I concur with you Robin; whereas I had the opinion up until recently that fighting belonged in the game, period I no longer am so sure. Not saying I want it out, but I'm open to exploring that option now. I think within a few years, this debate will eventually result in it leaving the game.
March 21 2011, 09:49PM
As relative as it will ever get: FIST!
Edit: Damn you, Fresh!!!!
This is the first time i've notice Brownlee post on the flames sight, Ive only been here 100 or so times...
This article strikes me as an attempt to brew a controversial comment board.
The point about goalies playing without masks, and how we in our 20's or 30's should think about that??? I play D, and block a lot of shots, without face protection. : "facing shooters bare-faced -- slap shots, screened shots. Pile-ups in the crease, skate blades, sticks. "
Besides sticks had ZERO curve back in the day.
The only issue here is that we have room on the ROSTERS for 3 minute per game players. Drop the roster, watch the goons vanish. Look at Stortini, he got 200+ games and cant' even fight! (love the guy)
March 21 2011, 10:06PM
Somewhere Dana White must be grinnin from ear to ear. I'd hate to see what they'd call NHL players if they removed this element from the game.
Guess i'm not looking at the flames SITE afterall!
March 21 2011, 10:14PM
On a serious note; quit being such a sissy, Brownlee!
Emotions run high in a physical sport, so un-staged fighting is as much a natural part of the game as hitting. Doubt they could rule it out if they wanted to. ~Maybe the NHL should look at minimizing head shots... in a fight!~ Sheeesh.
What's an average salary in a Canada these days? $60K? Compare that to a minimum NHL salary of $500K. Ivanins doesn't have to fight, he can probably drive a truck instead. But I'm guessing even he won't share your opinion.
That makes me wonder how many mins Lucic averages, but i'm too lazy to look it up
March 21 2011, 10:27PM
That makes me wonder how many mins Lucic averages, but i'm too lazy to look it up
Last five games were 16, 20, 18, 19, 17. 53 points and 106 PIM's so far. That's the type of player I wish everyone in the NHL was like. More power forwards!
I'm curious if we are a bit misguided in our thinking about concussions ending careers. I remember when bad backs and torn ACL's were the end of careers. Now we patch those injuries up and sent the troops back out to war. I would like to know what the average career expectancy is now vs. then.
Many sports have inherent risks. They need to be managed. That doesn't necessarily mean the sports need to be changed.
Fighting, when precipitated by emotion is ok by me. The staged battles between goons seem pointless.
Ohh and Proberts brain was probably fried from the amount of coke he did why do you think no one wanted to fight with him. He was a demon haha. Still have a mad amount of respect for him and what he was for the game. Most B.A player in the histroy in my mind.
March 21 2011, 10:51PM
This should go over great at Flamesnation. That punch drunk Calgary Flame photo looks awesome. This is what they may all look like about 10:30 on Saturday. Season over, turn out the lights Flamesnation.
Players are not only bigger(Dave "The Hammer" Schulz was 185 pounds), they're more specialized. Have players always spent the offseason taking boxing lessons? The strength and punching skill of modern enforcers makes fighting exponentially more dangerous than it once was. Just like curved sticks and slap-shots necessitated goalie masks, so to does this change physicality call for change.
My bold solution? Get rid of fighting in juniors. Something that doesn't often get mentioned is how much worse brain injuries are for developing brains. Everyone knows it's bad to get a fetus drunk, but it's also not great to give a teenager a concussion. This will also greatly cut down on the number of super-punchers in the big leagues, because they'll have no place to develop those skills, and it's my personal opinion that enforcers cause a lot more violence than they prevent (eg. Tie Domi was one of the dirtiest players of his era. Enforcers don't do anything anyway- when was the last time someone jumped Chris Pronger?)
The main justifications for modern fighting is that players are adults who are well-compensated- juniors are none of those things. They are in a much higher risk group.
good to read.
The game of hockey doesn't need to be childproof at the NHL level. Don't want fighting, go play inline hockey.
March 21 2011, 11:28PM
The game of hockey doesn't need to be childproof at the NHL level. Don't want fighting, go play inline hockey.
Tell that to these guys
March 21 2011, 11:33PM
Good question. I enjoy fighting, but I don't think I'd miss it, if hockey banned fighting.


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Don't know why but the boxes of Frontline Plus I purchased here worked soooo much better than the ones from PetSmart and they were cheaper!
I'm impressed with the product selection and the fast delivery.
Have used this product before. I am always satisfied with the product and the service.
This product comes highly recommended by my cats doctor. Having 3 cats, the savings at Entirely Pets was wonderful.
This is the first time we've ever purchased Frontline from this website and we won't be making that mistake again. I contacted the manufacturer to see if maybe there was a problem with this particular batch of Frontline, since we've given the cats two months worth and we still have an issue. I have never had that problem before when I have purchased the product from other outlets. The manufacturer has opened a case and will refend/replace, but I won't go through this website again. I would recommend the product to a friend, I just wouldn't recommend this website to anyone.
Great product and have'nt seen fleas for 2 yrs...also the best price on the internet...much less expensive than the vet.....a real win-win
Terrible. After shelling out $70 for the product and putting it on my cats, within one week they were itching again! And this wasn't the first time it happened.
I've shopped around looking for the best price on this product since it's very expensive and entirelypets.com has the most competitive pricing and fast shipping.
before i even applied this to my cats i read the instructions on how to use it. then after i read them i applied this as stated. I waited at least a week with not luck. my poor boys still had flees. so i ened up going to the vet. i do not recommend this to anyone. waste of my money
My cats got fleas from the dog. This product killed the fleas the first month, but since the dog is infested with fleas, will treat the cats for a few months. Fronttline PLUS really works.
seems to work well for the first three weeks or so. I start to notice more fleas and ticks toward the end of the 4 week cycle.
The product has not worked the last three times I've purchased it. It did work previously. When I brought this up with my vet, she said that the fleas are becoming immune to the formulas they are using. I had to switch to a newer product, which is a pill that is given once a month.
After having an infestation of fleas several years ago, we've used Frontline Plus on our cats ever since, and we've never had a problem. SO easy to use, and it works like a charm!
I noticed a few fleas on my cat recently so I thought that I'd try Frontline Plus. After using this product on him twice, it hasn't helped at all. In fact, I'm noticing even more fleas and also "flea dirt" on his bedding. Will need to try another brand.
Totally necessary product for a country cat!
Have always used Frontline Plus on our dog and cats and it really does the trick at keeping those horrid Florida fleas at bay. EntirelyPets offers some great deals and I'm always waiting and watching for the best ones to come along. Sure beats the retail prices at our Vet and keeps our furry animals healthy and happy. Have also found that FrontLine Plus sometimes lasts as long as 6 weeks before having to re-apply. Definitely a Bonus!
I always buy my Frontline from Entirely Pets. I have tried many flea and tick products, and this is the only one that really works.
I put it on the cat crooked and late. The cat licked it off. Then we got fleas. The vet says she has noticed problems with Frontline possibly losing its effectiveness.
works--needed a few months of treatment to take care of a flea problem on 2 indoor cats--however--with daily fine combing--the product has worked --will continue for the next 2 months
I use frontline on all my cats and dogs and have never had any problems with fleas or ticks!
keeps fleas off my indoor cats, and off my rugs and furniture; use every month in summmer, ever 6-8 weeks during cooler months
We use Frontline as our flea control. It's easy to apply and always works. We also used it on our dog before he passed.
Excellent product, price and service. I will continue to order from EntirelyPets
I've used Frontline on my dogs cats for a number of years. They are "in and out" pets, but I don't have to worry about them getting fleas and bringing them into the house. Works great! Fast delivery is a bonus!
Used this on 5 cats. 7 days later they were still scratching fleas. Called Entirely Pets they gave me contact number for Merial the company that makes the product. They told me basically, that they do not guarantee their product and there was nothing they would do about it. NOT HAPPY AT ALL. WILL NOT PURCHASE FRONTLINE PLUS AGAIN.
Our vet quit selling this and went to something more expensive. Luckily, I was able to find it here for a great price! Works great for our outside cat who lives in the garage!
This is a good product to use on your cats (inside/outside). I used to alternate between this and the Advantage; so the fleas don't become resistant-it just seems to work better this way for me.
Frontline Plus for cats is an excellent product. Not only does it rid your kitties of irritating ticks and fleas, it kills the flea eggs and larva, keeping your home flea free as well! Think of the old days when you had to use flea powder and bomb your home, etc. What a pain that was. And as usual, Entirely Pets is fast, reliable and you have a wide selection of products at a great price.
Great prices. Quick delivery with Entirely pets.
I have had nothing but good results with this product until this year. it has been a terrible year for fleas so I don't think it is the products fault as it did succeed for the most part, just didn't last as long as usual. Treated the house with knockout and that did the trick.
Frontline for cats product was exactly as pictured and described. Good price and timely delivery.
Excellent product! No worries about fleas at all!
I am not all that impressed by Frontline Plus. On one cat it did great! He even goes outside for 30 minutes a day!
So far, so good. 3 years without fleas! We have 3 cats and they are all clean!
Quick delivery and excellent product, this is my 2nd order and I highly recommend them!
My indoor cat has flea allergies - one bite and he's scratching and biting until he's raw. The vet recommended that I apply Frontline every three weeks. As long as I stick to the schedule, he's fine. I've tried other less expensive brands and they just don't work. Entirely Pets offers the best prices, prompt delivery, and good customer service.
I can't really compare this to other flea/tick products as this is the only one I use. I have always been pleased with the results, so why change.
I've been using Frontline for my 3 cats for years. It's easy to apply and non-irritating. My cats go outside almost everyday in our enclosed property. They have never had a problem with fleas, ticks or any other insects.
I wish my vet had talked with me about the flea life cycle when she first spotted fleas on my one cat who is allowed to go outside. I have been fighting fleas for almost a year. Frontline works well but it needs to be used for 3 to 6 months on all your pets, even if they never go out. You also need to vacuum daily, wash all bedding every couple days, and use an insect spray in areas that they frequent. The products that say they are just like Frontline don't work so buy the real stuff.
I am very pleased with the service in that I received the product in two days. Thank you for keeping up the great service and delivery.
I use this product on my three cats every month. It has been very effective in controlling ticks and fleas.
Good price, really fast delivery. My vet suggested I use this on my cat and she has never had fleas since we have been using it (6 years)
I have used this product for years but it seems the fleas have developed a resistance to it. I just tried Advantage on my cat and it seems to be working! i hope they don't develop a resistance to this product down the road as well.
Really good price through entirely pets. Fast service However, order it ahead of time before the next treatment so that you don't run out.
I applied the product to the nape of my cats heads. I have 5 cats. and they aren't scratching as bad. I vaccum every few days to cut down on the fleas too. I've, also, washed their beds. I'm hoping the fleas won't be as awful as they were last summer. I'm going to apply more frontline plus this next month & hope for the best.
Recommended by the vet for my cat with flea allergy. Does an excellent job here in SC where fleas are prevalent -- no fleas year round!
Sara spends most of her time outside. I've compared Frontline Plus with the other products and it's the best solution to the flea problem in my environment. I've been using it for 7 years.
Having an indoor cat, I still use this as a preventative because I do have a dog in the house as well. With the dog being exposed to the outside, fleas and ticks can still come in the home. My cat is well protected with this product.
Good product. Fleas die within 2 days. Use on 2 of 3 cats and it keeps fleas controlled.
We have been using this product on our 2 cats for quite some time now. They both stay outside a good deal of the time. One is a long haired and the other a short hair and we haven't any problem with fleas since applying this monthly prevention.
this product rocks! never have a flea problem.
Works well so far when used as directed. No fleas yet and have used it for several years. However, occasional ticks do show up.
The frontline plus sold on entirelypets.com is the real stuff, approved by the US FDA/EPA . Other on-line pet suppliers sell the non-approved frontline plus and then give you an extremely hard time when you try to return it because it is not approved for use in the US.
Have used Frontline Plus on my cats for years and have never had any problem with fleas or ticks.
There's a big difference between the Frontline plus I used to get from the veterinarian and what I get from Entirely Pets: it costs about 30% less and sometimes the savings is even more.
used others,this product works the best,been using for several years now
I've used Frontline Plus for several years now because it really is the most effective anti-flea/tick product for my regional climate. Summers are dry, very warm, with cool nights but fleas & ticks still enjoy the weather. Frontline Plus absolutely puts a hault to their presence.
I have used other flea products for my cats and they did not work like Frontline Plus.
This is the best flea control -- I've used it for years. And I never skip a month, even during the winter, as I live in the south and our winters can be mild. I have indoor and indoor/outdoor cats and it works great!
I have been using Frontline Plus for cats for 4 years. I am very happy with it and you can't beat the price at EntirelyPets.com.
Its still alittle too pricey. You have competition at Wal-Mart now for a third of the price.
Works great will continue to buy!!!!!!:.)
Good product, good price, good service - and FAST!
Our cats are more playful, and responsive to affection when they've had their Frontline Advantage. And with having 5 cats (4 neighborhood strays) Entirely Pets makes it easier to afford to keep them happy. That makes us happy!
Great product. Started working within 24 hours after I applied to my cats.
No complaints- product works as it is advertised. My cats go out and go who knows where! Once in awhile comb a flea or two out of them but I'm sure they are in the dying cycle. Have not had any flea problems inside my home.
My cat and I live in the woods. This stuff is the best for killing fleas and ticks and Entirely Pets always has the best price with reasonable (and fast) shipping. Two Thumbs Up!!!
When trying to decide which flea/tick preventative to use on my pets, research put Frontiline Plus ahead of the rest. It kills fleas at all life cycles and also protects agains several other parasites. I have never seen a single flea on my pets since I started using Frontline Plus over 10 years ago.
My indoor cat has a flea allergy. If he gets ONE bite, he starts scratching and pulling his hair out. If this happens, it's $200 to the vet for antibiotics and prednisone. So the vet said to put Frontline on him every three weeks. This stuff WORKS!!! I've been using it every three weeks for several years. No more outbreaks and trips to the vet. Don't use the cheaper stuff. It doesn't work. Thanks Frontline and Entirely Pets for the best price on this item.
Simply put, there are no fleas on our 3 indoor cats, and it's easier to apply than some others we tried. Our cats HATE getting flea medication (usually screech and run!), but we can apply the Frontline so quickly and easily, they don't even know they've been squirted! They're happy / we're happy...
Ticks are a big problem where I live and his product works well. Sometimes it takes a day or two for a tick to fall off of a cat who won't let me pull the tick off.
Used Frontline for the first time. Took 2 treatments for fleas/flea dirt to be controlled. My cat got fleas while being boarded at our vet's kennel. She didn't have fleas for years, as she is indoors. However, this year was supposed to be worse than others. I was pleased with the price and speedy service. Thank you, Entirely Pets. I am a satisfied customer.
This product works well on ticks, but not on fleas. I have to purchase another product for the fleas everytime.
I use this product for both my cats. No a flea to be seen. Good product!
I find my cats are throughly protected with Frontline Plus. This year was really bad for ticks. What ticks I found on the cats, when I went to take them off, just fell off. It is costly, but the money is well worth it.
this stuff is really good...does the job everytime. never have to worry about fleas or ticks!
This is the only product for Flea & Tick control that I use for our cat, and I shop around for pricing quite a bit because it can get pretty pricey. Entirely Pets had hands down the best prices.
excellent product and service, have used this website for years and referred many friends to it
I always puchase Frontline Plus for my cat and my daughter's cat that lives in NC. I have used this product on my cat for years. My cat does spend time outside in the summer and we have never had any problems with fleas or ticks. Our daughter's cat which had past issues has not had any problems with fleas or ticks since using the Frontline Plus.
Excellent product Great sale price on black Friday!
Had a problem with ticks on my cat....had used another brand. Switched back to Frontline Plus and the ticks are gone!
Haven't seen one single flea on any of my three cats since I started buying Frontline Plus 3 years ago!! Love It!!!
Price of product was average, but service was excellent...received product within days of my order.
Best prices and service always at Entirely Pets!
love the product and your prompt service
Use this product on our little stray outdoor kitty.
works great! she isn't bothered by fleas and ticks all season long.
Ordering was so easy, got the right product, great price, and it was delivered in 2 days!
I have three cats who love to be outside most of the day but come in at night so flea control is very important to me. Since using Frontline Plus for cats I have not had a flea problem in my home and the cats are definitely more comfortable. It's a great product and I will continue to order.
Last summer my cat Bruce got fleas and I could not get rid of them, I tried everything! A friend of mine told me about this product and after 2 or 3 rounds of medication I have not seen a flea on him or anywhere else! Also, the price was great, so much LESS than getting it from the vet!
great product that keeps my cats from itching all year, even on ticks. Delivery time is very quick.
Have used this product on our cats for years. Great on keeping off fleas and ticks. Price is better than I can do at any of the vets' offices.
I have 4 outside stray cats that I have adopted. They live inside/outside of my garage. Even with heated beds and a heated water bowl in the winter months. Starting in the spring I keep Frontline Plus on them through till late Fall. Buying the 12 month package deal with the free shipping over $85 is the cheapest way to go!
Gave to our indoor cars for 6 months AND bombed almost weekly. They are still crawling with fleas. It does NOT WORK.
We have a lot of ticks and fleas in NC and this product does really well keeping my cats tick and flea free.
I have 4 cats, 3 of which go outside all the time. We live by woods and have no problems with ticks or fleas on the cats when they are protected with Frontline. I like that it doesnt leave their fur all greasy either. This product does what it says. Ive tried other "cheap" brands and they DO NOT work. Dont waste your money on the knockoffs.
i ordered 6 months of frontline plus for cats and ordered 3 months for dogs. i received 6 months for dog and 3 months for cats. Order Number 8260040
Easy to use, works great, and the price is great too!
Do not use any other brand! Plus the cost is very good with Entirely Pets!!!
This is great product. My cats usually scratch all year round. Now since I've started using Frontline Plus, they scratch alot less and no fleas or ticks spotted anywhere.
Its been around awhile and used by many. Recently brought in new cat from the outdoors.
Frontline Plus has done its thing as advertised.
Always great & fast service! I have ordered from Entirely Pets several times and am always greatly satisfied.
This product does exactly what it claims. I have not had any problems with fleas over the last couple of years, ever since I started using Frontline Plus.
I've got a cat with a flea allergy so it's very important the fleas stay off of him and out of the house. Frontline is expensive but it certainly delivers.
This product for cats seems to work far better than the current experience I am having with my dog with the same product/brand. Not sure why, but my cats don't care about that! They are just happy that they are getting relief from those darn fleas! Would purchase the same product again.
This is the 2nd time in as many orders that this company has shipped us the wrong product. After 15 days we are still waiting to receive the correct product. The product is great the service is terrible.
We will not return as customers of this company. Years ago they were the best but they have lost their focus on customer service and quality control.
Controls fleas very well. This is the only treatment I use.
Entirely Pets is the best on- line supplier of Frontline Plus products. There are often sales on the products I need. Shipping is amazingly fast. I am very satisfied with Frontline Plus products for my two cats. Brothers Jett and Tippy. Wish they were as happy. They know when application time is and try to avoid the inevitable.
I thought I would save money and I bought a cheaper brand last month. After 3 days, I notice something on my cats neck. To my surprise, he had 6 ticks on him. As I look further, I saw fleas running around is head area. I freaked out since I have 2 other cats that stay in. I ran to the closest pet shop and they were out of frontline, the second pet shop I went to a second pet shop and they were out of Frontline also. Finally the third pet shop had 1 box of feline frontline, 6 months supply. The day I seen the ticks on my cat, I immediately ordered the Frontline from Entirely Pets, but I knew it would not come in time, so I had to buy the 6 month supply at the third pet shop which was so much more expensive than Entirely Pets. I was only 4 days late with putting the Fronline on my cat and he was infested. I learned my lesson. You get what you pay for. I put the Frontine on him after removing all the ticks and immediately noticed no more fleas. Frontine rocks.
Reliable product. I tried the generic version and was disappointed. It's definitely worth the money to use the brand name.
works great ! I have 1 cat allergic to advantage and frontline plus keeps him flea free .
If you have a cat, you need Frontline constantly (trust me, as soon as you stop, the fleas will nest and wait for the perfect time to hatch and attack) so getting a 6 month supply makes sense.
Fast acting, Long lasting, and actually does all it says it will.. We have one outside cat and three inside and that used to be a problem with fleas and ticks..not now with frontline. Easy to apply with no side effect we can see save the fact our home is free of ticks and fleas!
infestation of fleas and flea eggs
i have used frontline plus for years with good results thankyou debfitchpatrick
I have tried other brands in the past, but Frontline works the best for us! We have had nothing but good results.
This product immediately took care of a major
infestation of fleas and flea eggs and larvae on
our elderly cat. It was the only thing that worked !
Frontline Plus is much better and way more effective than the original formula. I'm glad I tried it !
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The last tutorial was a great (and fairly easy) introduction to working with the Push, but it does suffer from one problem - long load times. In order for the abstractions to provide easy access to all of the Push parameters, Mark's code created a connection to all of the possible parameters. This process can take a long time to load - which can be an irritation in a live performance situation.
In this tutorial, we'll make a new device, and make it in a new way. We will be using Javascript to create a lean-and-mean connection to just the part of the Push that we want (in this case, we will again attack the button matrix), then build a structure around that code.
Here's the code for the PushStepper device: Media:PushStepper.zip
Note that this code contains both an .amxd device file and a .js file (called PushStepperControl.js), which is the heart of the new device. The PushStepper won't work without access to the Javascript file; you can either put it in the same folder as the .amxd file, or you can place it in a common area - such as the Max /patches/ folder.
This device is basically a simple wrapper around a Javascript object (the js object at the bottom left). We interface with the transport to get our transport status and clock feed, and collect some user controls for the device, but most of the good stuff is found in the PushStepperControl.js code file. About the only thing that is really interesting is the "midiStoreAndForward" subpatcher, which holds incoming notes and outputs them whenever it receives a bang from the Javascript. You can peek inside to see it in action.
I decided to use Javascript, because it manages some of the complexity in a way that typical (textual) code does best.
There are two sections of the Javascript code that are interesting: the two objects, labeled "Matrix" and "Surface". Let's look at the Surface first.
The Surface object is the high-level object that finds and interfaces with the Push controller. We use a probe into the control_surfaces LiveAPI path in order to identify the control surface labeled "Push" (which is what any Push device will call itself); once this is done, we register access to the button matrix and create some mediation methods to manage interface with the user interface.
Surface.prototype.grabButtonMatrix = function() { if (!this.bmx.grabbed) { this.dev.call("grab_control", "id "+ this.bmx.id); this.bmx.property = "value"; this.bmx.grabbed = 1; this.bmxarr.setLength(savlen); } } Surface.prototype.releaseButtonMatrix = function() { if (this.bmx.grabbed) { this.dev.call("release_control", "id "+ this.bmx.id); this.bmx.property = ""; this.bmx.grabbed = 0; } }
Whenever we grab or release the button matrix, we do it through the grabButtonMatrix and releaseButtonMatrix functions. In addition to performing the grab/release, we also set properties that let us know the current status, and also determine that property that we will be "observing" (in this case, the value). This was actually a difficult piece of logic to get correct, and only with help from Jeremy Burnstein was I able to negotiate the connection correctly.
Finally, when we grab the button matrix, we have to have a way to receive the information. This is done with the Surface.prototype.bmxCallback function, which is called any time that the button matrix values change. I put in an extensive note about the use of 'this' in the callback, and that it refers to the button matrix (not the Surface itself), because of the way that we've instantiated the button matrix interface. Confusing? Sure, but it works, and gives us a chance to do some interesting stuff in the Matrix object.
Much of the Matrix object is about managing arrays. We create three arrays for three purposes:
Why would we want to keep the last state? Because we want to limit the number messages sent to the Push in order to draw its current state (when grabbed), so we only want to update matrix cells that have changed. Whenever something changes on the grid, we call the matrix.prototype.draw method, which runs through the entire display and updates any changed cells. The code for display calculation is actually pretty interesting:
Matrix.prototype.draw = function () { var currstep; // clear the display for (var i=0; i<this.x; i++) { for (var j=0; j<this.y; j++) { currstep = (j * this.x) + i; if (currstep == this.step) { this.dsp[i][j] = 6; } else if (currstep >= this.len) { this.dsp[i][j] = 0; } else if (this.mtx[i][j] > 0) { this.dsp[i][j] = 3; } else { this.dsp[i][j] = 1; } if (this.dsp[i][j] != this.sav[i][j]) { push.bmx.call("send_value", i, j, this.dsp[i][j]); this.sav[i][j] = this.dsp[i][j]; } } } }
The order of drawing is:
The numbers used for the colors was snagged from the Push.Colors prototype in the contextual menu. It's a great resource for the easiest way to set colors.


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Meet Chandni from Yash Chopra's Chandni.
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VERY nicely done!
Nay, dare I say, epic. EPIC.
Simply brilliant, I want to SEE this!
I tell you what. We'll go home, put on your favorite chiffon saris, sing a sad song in the rain, and then eat a mountain of jalebis. Before you know it, you'll meet somebody new who doesn't set off your daddy issues.
Then of course she goes on and does Lamhe with Anil Kapoor. The girl needs therapy, I tell ya.
"You big slut! GOOD FOR YOU!" That's my phrase of the day.
I think you have a hit here!
"Sweet Fearless Nadia" is a phrase I know I'm going to use :-)
Every Rajshri heroine also need a Sassy to call their own!
*bows down* thank you. That is all.
Hilarious post that I really enjoyed! I must admit I don´t find Chandni as good as some people claim it to be. It was a pretty average film with gorgeous actress in the lead, but did not utilize anyone´s talent and Rishi´s character was just such a self-pitying jerk it almost ruined the film for me.
LMAO!! LOL....'You big slut! Good for you!' Epic!! Reminds me of Delhi belly!! And then 'stay single for a nanosecond'lol
good one my dear
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I was asked to do an interview this morning with Professional Candy Buyer Magazine to discuss dark chocolate. Ask anyone—dark chocolate is the "feel-good" food of the decade. What could be better? It tastes great and has enough serotonin and caffeine to lift your mood, spirits and attitude any time of the day.
One thing the reporter should have been told prior to our meeting is, "Don't ask Ed any open-ended questions about chocolate." And, of course her first question was, "What do you think about 'dark chocolate'?" Wow… off I went.
First of all, I love great dark chocolate. More to the point, I love Choclatique dark chocolate. We have several choices of the deep, dark goodness… they include:
- Private Reserve Dark Chocolate (64%)
- Ebony Dark Chocolate (72%)
- Elephant—Seriously Strong Chocolate (76%)
- Single Origin Dark Chocolates from, Peru, Ecuador, Venezuela, Madagascar, Columbian and real American Hawaiian Dark Chocolate (all at 65%)
What's the difference? Where do I begin?
- Private Reserve Dark Chocolate (64%) is "reserved" for our terrific couverture for our boxed chocolate and for Ingots, Tablets and Tapestries. Private Reserve is made from 17 equatorial beans grown from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn. They are fermented, dried and roasted to perfection. This chocolate is conched (blended) to an ultra-smooth texture for 72 hours at precise temperatures to bring out the natural, dark, fruity flavor of the cacao bean.
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Money-saving tips for seniorsBy Jason Alderman
Thanks to the rocky economy, most people's retirement savings have taken a beating in the past year. In fact, many folks have been forced to postpone retirement because of their shrinking nest eggs. And, those who've already retired no doubt have noticed that their money doesn't go as far because of increases in housing, food, utilities, prescription drugs and virtually everything else.
Even optimistic economic observers don't anticipate things will improve significantly any time soon, so it's time to tighten the belt. Here are a few areas where retirees – and retirement wannabes – can stretch their dollars and reducing spending:
Pay down debt. List your outstanding credit card and loan balances by interest rate and pay off those with the highest rates first, thereby lowering the amount of interest you pay overall. And always make at least the minimum payment on each account – on time – to prevent credit score damage that could increase your interest rates.
Medical expenses. If your Medicare or other health insurance doesn't cover a specific medical expense, ask the doctor's office about discounts for paying in cash. Also, explore using generic drugs and see if your plan offers discounts for ordering several months' worth of routine medications at once by mail.
Insurance. To lower monthly premiums, consider raising deductable amounts on your auto and homeowner or renter's insurance. Also, rates typically decrease when you reach age 50 or 55, especially if you take a defensive driving course, so be sure to ask.
Government programs. Many government-sponsored benefits, grants and financial aid programs exist to help low-income families, seniors and others pay their bills, including:
- LIHEAP, the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program, which provides grants to help pay utility bills. To see if you qualify, go to www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ocs/liheap.
- Also, check with your water, garbage collection, telephone and television cable companies to see if they offer discounts for seniors, low-income families or the disabled. Rules vary, but you'll likely be asked to provide proof of age, income or disability status in order to qualify.
- SNAP, the USDA's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as food stamps), helps millions of lower-income Americans buy nutritious food each month. Visit www.fns.usda.gov/snap for qualification requirements.
- Medicaid. Many uninsured people who aren't yet eligible for Medicare can obtain medical coverage through state-administered Medicaid programs. To learn more, visit www.cms.hhs.gov/MedicaidGenInfo.
- Rental assistance for low-income families is available from several U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development programs as well as other state and local agencies (see www.hud.gov/renting/index.cfm for details).
- Go to www.usa.gov/Citizen/Topics/Benefits.shtml for a comprehensive overview of additional aid programs.
Senior discounts. Before purchasing anything, ask if they offer senior discounts. Always ask at the beginning of the transaction – waiting until you settle the bill may be too late. One precaution, however: Senior rates at airlines, hotels, car rental agencies and other travel-related businesses are not always the cheapest available, so check their websites or ask a phone representative for the lowest available rate before requesting the senior rate.
Check your affiliations. Organizations like AARP, AAA and credit card issuers often offer member discounts on various items and attractions. Check their websites or mailers regularly for new offers.
Ensuring a worry-free retirement requires a lot of planning, both before and after you leave the workplace. Visa's free personal financial management site, Practical Money Skills for Life (www.practicalmoneyskills.com/retirement) contains many tools that can help.
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Chapter is out! http://www.mangapanda.com/katekyo-hitman-reborn/401
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Chapter is out! http://www.mangapanda.com/katekyo-hitman-reborn/401
Manga reading list: Bleach, Naruto, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, One Piece, Code Breaker, Gamaran, Kuroko No Basket, Fairy Tail, The World God Only Knows, Kimi No Iru Machi, Good Ending, Medaka Box, Nisekoi, D.Gray-Man, Ao No Exorcist, Freezing, Magi - Labyrinth of Magic, Soul Eater, Rosario Vampire Season II, Iris Zero, Ubell Blatt, Bloody Cross, Sun-Ken Rock, and Infinite Stratos,
Bermuda looks freaky to say the least! Kinda scary! Reborn better lift his curse soon.
Favorite Manga/Anime CharactersNaruto, Orochimaru, Jariya, Itachi, Ichigo, Mayuri, Kenpachi, Mugen, Vash the Stampede, "L", Edward Elric, Reborn, Rokudo Mukuro, Black Star, Dr. Fraken Stein, Death the Kid
This curse-release is quite mysterious. Does Bermuda have the flame of the night or his original flame? It would be interesting to know if he was a Sun element Arcobaleno when he lived!
I feel like Amano is finally experimenting with the idea that Tsuna and his guardians can act as a family. When Mukuro and Hibari protect Tsuna, the fluidity and impulsive to dash to protect the boss is momentous. I am impressed!
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Oh, my god, Tsuna's appear really remit the intense of the battle... that so cruel in the preview chapters.
MANGASTREAM ver. CHAPTER 401
Oh damn, with gravity control, Tsuna could potentially create a light saber.
Hmmmm, was he experimented on ? His arms with holes to release flames do not seem normal .
By the looks of Bermuda... he's really cursed.


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By COREY BLUEMELStaff Writer
Emery County Commissioner Ira Hatch began the meeting with the explanation that it was a continuation of the commission meeting held earlier in the day. When the public hearing was opened, Commissioner Hatch expressed his gratitude to Huntington City for the use of the facility and their hospitality.
"We felt it best to hold this public hearing in Huntington because the road that has been proposed to be closed is just outside of Huntington's city limits, and this decision affects the residents of Huntington more than others," said Commissioner Hatch. "We received a petition to vacate this road, Emery County road number 321, several months ago. This road is also known as the West Huntington Road, the Southwest Cove Road, or the West Huntington Lake Road. We are here to receive your comments concerning this proposal. There are three options available for vacating a road. The first is to vacate the road completely, the second is to vacate with stipulations, such as seasonal or time closures, and the last is to vacate with obliteration of the road," said Hatch.
Emery County Public Lands Director Ray Petersen displayed an aerial photo of the area. He pointed out the portion of county road being considered for closure. This portion of county road is surrounded by private property and the property owners have petitioned the county to vacate this road. Their reasons for asking for this closure are due to many incidents of vandalism, theft, and destruction happening on their property.
"We have many vintage cars stored on this portion of our property and our hopes were to restore them. Most of the windshields, and other glass, have been broken out along with many parts being stolen from the cars. We were very concerned about the vandalism and we installed a gate in an attempt to keep them out. Someone came along and cut the fence wires and continued to steal parts and destroy the cars. There are also groups having beer parties in the area and they leave junk and garbage behind. We have also heard guns being fired there. We don't want to keep fishermen out, we don't want to close it to those who use the road as an access to Huntington Lake, we just want the vandalism and destruction stopped. We will work with those fishermen who want to come through, just come and talk to us," said one property owner, Bob Mills.
Cody Patton, assistant manager of Millsite State Park said, "We recognize the problems that are occurring, but the vast majority of the users behave properly. This road provides access to a good resource and we do not want to see this road vacated. We would be willing to increase patrol in the area and to assist with litter collection to make this work. This area is the only access to Huntington Lake for children who come to swim. I don't want to see those children shut out and turn to the use of SR-10 for access to Huntington Lake."
Jay Mark Humphrey, from Emery Water Conservancy District was next to comment. "The district manages this area for the Bureau of Reclamation." He read a statute concerning the district's management responsibilities. According to the resource management plan for Huntington North Reservoir, instituted in December of 2004, it states, "Alternative B: Resource Conservation Emphasis: Existing vehicular access to the Southwest Cove area would be maintained as presently provided until such time as liability, maintenance, safety, and/or security concerns require closure." "The reservoir was built to store water, and we must remember that recreation comes second to that water storage. We will help in any way we can," said Humphrey.
Cathy Cowley, Huntington City council person, said, "My sons have used this road as access to Huntington Lake. As a scout leader I have used the road in scout activities. This access is important to the children of Huntington, and I do not want to see those children out on SR-10 to get to the lake. While I understand the property owners want the vandalism and destruction of their personal property to stop, I suggest closing the road for nighttime hours only, then open it in the day for those who fish and ride their bikes there."
Mike McCandless was next to speak. "I echo Cathy's concerns about putting small children on the main road to gain access to Huntington Lake. I have many family members who also use this area as an access. I have seen many times, especially on weekends when there are numerous vehicles in there. Many times, one person with a boat will go into the state park to launch and meet family and friends who have accessed the lake from this area. If a parking lot, with a gate and walk-in fence is decided on, the parking area will need to be quite large.
"Another concern I have is the distance that will be required for ice fishermen to transport their gear during the winter if this road is closed. Those fisherman have a lot of gear and the extra distance required will be upwards of a half mile. I am not sure the removal of this access road will stop the vandalism problem. Closing this road may set a bad precedent, people in other areas have the same problems and all the roads cannot be closed. Historical use of this area should be taken into consideration also," said McCandless.
Following the formal comments, many suggestions were given. Some of the comments were: to install a fence and locking gate around the private property; to install a fence with a walk-through gate for foot traffic to access the lake; or to build a new road or foot path around the private property. All concerned parties in the discussion were eager to reach a solution to this problem.
"We have many options to consider and many agencies and property owners to consult. No matter what action is taken in the end, everyone concerned will not be 100 percent satisfied. There will be no answer tonight, this decision will come down the road following more discussions. We need to work out a feasible, economical solution to this problem. The public must realize their responsibility in this situation. One person can ruin a situation for everyone," said Commissioner Hatch.
Mac Mills expressed his appreciation to the Sheriff's Office and the deputies for increased patrols in the area.
Commissioner Gary Kofford explained that Lamar Guymon, Emery County Sheriff, is out of town, and has expressed his desire to see a solution without closing the road.


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Two potentially useful players on Tuesday's waiver wire
Cam Charron
March 26 2013 11:28AM
Jussi Jokinen owns the faceoff circle.
Jussi Jokinen has a $3-million cap hit this season and next. Kaspars Daugavins is on a cheap one-year deal that expires at the end of the season and he'll become a restricted free agent. Both players are almost inexplicably on the waiver-wire today.
Well, not necessarily "inexplicably". There's a lot of player movement required in the next few days to get some teams to an acceptable salary cap and roster space threshold if they want to add any bodies at the deadline. Both squads are getting players back from injury and are tightroping the 23-man roster limit. In a perfect world without injuries and limits and trading deadlines, quality players wouldn't appear on waivers. Mike Colligan wrote an interesting piece at the start of the season about roster pinches that occur throughout the year:
Shero tries to touch base with every GM at least once a month during the season. When these roster pinches occur, he has to convince other teams that it's worth making a trade as opposed to waiting for waivers. He could always bluff directly to other GM's, but risking credibility over fifth-round picks doesn't lead to a long NHL management career.
A player's trade value is only what another team is willing to pay. Nothing more, nothing less.
One of the best times to acquire talent is when a certain team is hamstrung in some way, and apparently both Ottawa and Carolina are undergoing roster pinches tha make for a good time to jump in and acquire some cheap talent. Both Jokinen and Daugavins are quality players. Picking up either on the waiver wire would be a surefire "buy low", except in the case of Jokinen if you're worried about salary cap dollars. Like when Adam Hall was on the wire a couple of weeks ago, these are interesting, useful pieces that good hockey teams can have in their lineup.
Jussi Jokinen is a play-driver and puck-mover. His Corsi On this season is +8.75 over 60 minutes of play. The Hurricanes take way more shots with Jokinen on the ice than they give up. The tireless work done by Shutdown Line, (seriously one of the best micro statistical bloggers there is. He watches and tracks scoring chances and zone entries at least once a day) shows that Jokinen controls the puck over the line rather than dumping it in more than 50% of the time. Teams that have issues in the neutral zone may want to keep that in mind if they have a chance to claim the Juice.
Jokinen's problems are the same as Daugavins. I think a lot of analysts will look at both players today, note that they're both minus-7 and conclude that these players don't generate much at either end. That is a simplistic way of looking at it. When Jokinen has been on the ice, the Hurricanes have scored on just 5.3% of their shots. That number ties into Jokinen's small points production this season.
Here's a chart. Jokinen has showed to be able to be a historically neutral puck-possession player (his usage hasn't been notably easy or difficult in any one season) but I wanted to show that Jokinen isn't a player who has had an issue creating "quality shots" in the past and his production this year is likely unsustainable going into next year:
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Daugavins can relate. When he's on the ice, the Senators have assuredly out-shot the opposition by 5.15 over 60 minutes of play, but the Senators are putting the puck in the net at an absurd 4.17% of shots when he's on the ice, and despite the strength of Sens goaltending this season, Ottawa goalies have stopped just 87.4% of pucks while he's on the ice.
To me, Jokinen is pretty useful piece (here's another tidbit for Randy Carlyle: Jokinen is a career 1608-1388 on faceoffs, or 53.67%, and is also a career 30-for-66 on shootouts, or 45.5%) who is probably a little overpriced for the production he's generated in Carolina this season. The Leafs have no salary cap troubles going into next season and I think he'd be worth an audition at centre on the top line because of his defensive abilities, but he's also useful on the wing.
Daugavins doesn't have the sample size as Jokinen and had a tough season in 2011-2012 so despite his good underlying numbers this season I'm not sure just how good he is, but his price is effectively nothing. He's listed at 6'0" 213 and I'd rather him as a fourth line fill-in than some of the guys who have been playing, although I'm not holding my breath that Dave Nonis and Carlyle have gone through a philosophical change overnight and would rather see big Latvians in the lineup, as cool as Latvians are.
But, he's an interesting, potentially useful guy on the waiver wire. The Leafs are in the 20th waiver spot so it's very likely that neither will be available even if Toronto places a claim, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't. As limited as Jokinen has shown to be offensively, he's very good in the defensive and neutral zones, restricting shots against and gaining the opposition's zone with control more than half the time which comes in handy for a team like the Leafs who are poor puck-possession squads.
We'll see where they land, and we'll see what roster moves lie ahead for the Canes and Sens that allow these pieces to be on the wire. My colleague Thomas Drance at Canucks Army wrote a similar post if you want more information on either player.


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My name is Corey and I am an asshole. I get excessively drunk at inappropriate times, disregard social norms, indulge in every whim, ignore the consequences of my actions, mock idiots and posers, sleep with random women, and just generally act like a raging dick head. I contribute to society in no way what so ever
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I'm a little confused as to what was happening.
Was Obito going through a transformation willingly or was he forced into that state? It seemed like he was being torn apart mentally & physically but eventually overpowered the 10 tails.
I'll read this again was mangastream releases.
I can't wait to see how exactly Obito "stuck" the Bijuudama to Minato... my guess is he can perform Hiraishin without even performing a Seal. Maybe he even absorbed the Seal itself, gaining the power. If he can absorb jutsu and use them permanently, that makes him truly the God of Shinobi (not that he needs such a power to already claim that title).
Interesting chapter, but I'm really not sure where this is heading towards, and most importantly, what on earth could be Madara's trump card?
The only thing i can think of is that Madara has some way to use Rinne Tensei without dying to revive back Rin and hold her hostage...
I wanted to see Madara's reaction to this transformation...too bad.
Am i the only one who found this chapter rather boring and 'more of the same' ? I mean, basically what we learned is that Obito somehow got a hold of himself now. Thats about it. I guess I just hoped to see more development plot-wise.
This chapter gives us quite a few bits of info. First of all, I thought it was Minato's kunai's that allmost tore Obito's body apart. But that was just the juubi trying to take control. So what did Minato's kunai's do anyway?
The scepter Obito got must have been made from the same black antimatter thingy he's been throwing around the latest chapters. So does that mean the sage of six paths also had a scepter made from the same material? Obito also has a cape, but it's not really a cape, more of a shroud perhaps
Naruto and Minato are the only ones who actually have a cape that resemble the sage of six paths's. So it's pretty obvious that Naruto will get the chakra from Minato, right before Minato is sealed away somehow. And Naruto will get a massive power boost. That that won't be enough though, at that time the juubi will probably have transformed into it's final form. And that's when Naruto will become his own sage of six paths.
Of course this is what I'd expect to happen. But knowing Kishimoto, there are more twists coming!
Great chapter, loving where this is going
Haha Nice Naruto remembered what Minato had told him that his chakra has to be linked to the person hes teleporting and used his kyuubi arm to touch his dad and Sasuke thus linking them for thunder god teleport service.
- I knew it Kishi is pulling a Tetsuo this is literately him paying homage to Akira!
- So he evolved and with stood being overwhelmed at least for now.
- I wonder if that is the same technique the Sage of the 6 paths used
- I bet Killer B saves the day, I have been wondering where hes been at for the last couple chapters.
Fire type
What chakra type are you?
The last couple chapters have been somewhat hard to follow. I don't really understand what Minato was doing. Minato seemed to be attempting to do some special technique but I don't know if he actually did it or not. When he threw those kunai at Obito it seemed like that was part of his technique but did that actually do anything? The whole part where Obito was being torn apart was a bit bizarre. Was that caused by Minato's technique or was that merely Obito battling to control the Juubi? Also, what is Obito's power? It was described as basically a liquid version of Onoki's dust release but even more powerful since it uses 4 elements but it also seems to be similar to the Bijuu bomb which isn't elemental manipulation at all. It seems to be a material that completely destroys anything it touches but it just looks like a bijuu bomb with minor shape manipulation?
It's very confusing. Are the black balls the same as the bijuu bomb or are they made of the black substance that Obito uses as a weapon? Are these two abilities the same, connected or totally different abilities? From what we have been told about the bijuu bomb in the past it is made of extremely dense chakra, 8:2 parts black and white chakra, it is not described as elemental manipulation at all. Yet the black liquid that Obito creates was described as being made of 4 elements. Yet I am having trouble telling which he is using at each part because both attacks look almost identical. To make matters more confusing, this substance also looks very similar to the black rods that Pain, Madara, and Obito have all used. Does anyone know if these abilities are related in anyway? It's very confusing.
Another question I have about Obito, is does he still have the ability to use the powers of the Rinnegan and his Mangekyou Sharingan? So far Obito seems to only be using the Bijuu's power and the new power of the black liquid. While these powers are very impressive, I still have to wonder how Obito would measure up to Madara, who currently has the Rinnegan, the Eternal Mangekyou, seemingly all of Hashirama's abilities (perhaps minus Sage mode abilities) and an immortal body. The confusing part is, we have never seen Madara or Obito use that many Rinnegan abilities to begin with. Obito used the Six Paths and the black rods but not a whole lot else. Madara used Shira Tensei, and Chibaku tensei but not a whole lot else. Both of them seem to be serious under-using the power of the Rinnegan.
Seeing how beastly Obito is with an incomplete Juubi really leaves me wondering how anyone will possibly be able to stand a chance again Madara with a full powered Juubi. If it wasn't for Edo-Tensei Obito might have seriously wounded Minato, Hashirama and Tobirama by now. Knowing how incredibly powerful all three of them are really leaves me wondering how this is eventually going to play out.
At this point Naruto and Sasuke seem like they are barely managing to stay on their feet. If it weren't for the arrival of the Hokage's the allies would all have been completely wiped out by now. If the Edo-tensei is ended they don't have a hope in hell of taking down Madara or Obito. At this point the Allies best chance is if Madara and Obito fight each other and one is killed and the other is weakened. I am really curious to see how this ends.
I predict that Madara will use his trump card to somehow to separate Obito from the Juubi and will again attempt to use him to resurrect himself. Obito will then get either Minato or Kakashi to kill him so that Madara won't be able to win. Orochimaru and the 5 kage's will arrive and Madara will then flee knowing that he can't resurrect himself yet and he can't defeat all of the allies himself. The Juubi will somehow be sealed by the 4 Hokage's but it will only be a temporary solution. Minato will then give the remaining portion of the Kyuubi to Naruto and the 4 Hokage's will entrust the future to him. The Hokage's will ask Orochimaru to release them from the Edo Tensei, which Orochimaru will do at Sasuke's request. Sasuke and Naruto will have an argument about what should be done and they will go their separate ways. Naruto will train with the full Kurama in an attempt to learn how to control the Juubi. Sasuke will continue to work with Orochimaru and more about the scrolls will be revealed. Madara will reunite with black Zetsu and go back to Obito's layer and they will start a new plan.