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Every hockey season brings with it a sense of hope and optimism, the promise of what might be done with a clean sheet of ice.
This is never more true than when it comes to rookies, getting their first chance to shine in the NHL. No matter how highly-touted, there comes a time when new NHLers need to show what they can do when they play with the big boys.
All that home and promise does come with risk when it comes to projection. Rookies have not yet established their place in the pecking order, so they can be moved up and down the depth chart much more easily.
Think about it, if you're the New York Rangers, would it cause a ripple if Chris Kreider was placed on the fourth line? Probably not. If they did it to Rick Nash, it would be a newsworthy event.
While there is risk involved, the upside is undeniable. Since 2000, 67 rookies have scored at least .50 points per game (minimum 50 games), a level of production that at least puts them in consideration for many fantasy owners.
Here are some of the top rookie candidates this season:
Mikael Granlund, C, Minnesota - A brilliant puckhandler who was the ninth overall pick in 2010, Granlund finally arrived in North America this year and the 20-year-old scored a point-per-game in 19 AHL contests, but that doesn't quite cover his adjustment. He suffered a knee injury that kept him out for more than a month and, when he returned, he scored just two points in the next eight games. Sliding into the second-line centre role in Minnesota, Granlund should be able to avoid tough checking matchups and, if skating with Pierre-Marc Bouchard and Devin Setoguchi, still has capable scoring wingers.
Vladimir Tarasenko, RW, St. Louis - The 16th overall pick in 2010, Tarasenko is a sturdy and skilled winger; strong enough to win battles down low and along the boards, but deft enough to create and finish plays in the offensive zone. He scored 14 goals and 31 points in 31 KHL games this season and is slated to start the year with Alex Steen and Andy McDonald in St. Louis. A defensive coach like Ken Hitchcock can be hard on rookies, but Tarasenko's two-way game shouldn't inhibit his opportunities to produce right out of the gate.
Justin Schultz, D, Edmonton - Right now, I've projected Schultz for 28 points in 46 games, which might seem low, considering he had an astonishing 48 points in 34 AHL games, but it's extremely rare for rookie defencemen to produce more points per game than what I've projected for Schultz.
In 1992-93, there were three Russians -- Vladimir Malakhov, Alexei Zhitnik and Sergei Zubov -- that did it. Since then? Playing at least 45 games, the only other rookie defenceman since 1993 to score better than the .61 points per game that I'm projecting for Schultz was 26-year-old Marek Zidlicky, with Nashville in 2003-2004. So my expectations are very high for Schultz, but they're tempered somewhat by historical precedent.
Keep in mind, that Oklahoma City AHL team had superior talent. Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins are very good NHL players, nevermind AHLers, but they won't have quite the same collective advantage in the NHL.
Nail Yakupov, RW, Edmonton - The first overall pick in last summer's draft, Yakupov will be under considerable scrutiny, but he comes into a good situation, one in which he can be a comeplemtary scorer, for the time being, behind Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle. 19-year-old Yakupov put up 18 points in 22 KHL games this year, after 170 points in 107 OHL games the previous two seasons, all of which would suggest that he's going to be able to put the puck in the net.
Brendan Smith, D, Detroit - The Red Wings have been, typically, patient with this first-round pick from 2007. He played three seasons at the University of Wisconsin and has 162 AHL games to his credit (scoring 86 points). He got a taste of NHL action last year, scoring seven points in 14 games, and comes to the Motor City where a big opportunity awaits -- with Nicklas Lidstrom retired, there is room on the power play for a mobile puck-mover like Smith and playing on the Detroit power play, often with Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk, is a good spot to put up points.
Jakob Silfverberg, RW, Ottawa - A second-round pick in 2009, 22-year-old Silfverberg had 54 points in 49 Swedish Elite League games last season, earning league MVP honours, before joining the Senators for a couple of playoff games last year. In the AHL this season, it took Silfverberg some time to get up to speed, scoring four points in his first 10 games, but he had 25 points in the next 24 games before heading to camp with Ottawa. There's no guarantee he'll stay in this spot, but if Silfverberg sticks with Jason Spezza and Milan Michalek that's a pretty nice way to transition to the league.
Cory Conacher, RW, Tampa Bay - A feisty undersized, undrafted free agent who played at Canisius College, Conacher burst into the AHL once he left school, putting up 80 points in 75 games last season to earn a contract with the Lightning. With Tampa Bay looking to fill a spot in their top six, Conacher has a good chance to land on a line with Vincent Lecavalier and Ryan Malone, a pair of 6-foot-4 forwards. The 23-year-old had 16 goals and 28 points in 36 AHL games this season, which is enough to get the inside track on a job with Tampa Bay, but not a guarantee, because that Syracuse team has several viable candidates, including leading scorer Tyler Johnson, an undrafted free agent out of the Western Hockey League.
Jonathan Huberdeau, LW, Florida - The third overall pick in 2011, Huberdeau was good enough to play for the Panthers last season, but couldn't come to a contract agreement, so he returned to junior. Since the start of last season, Huberdeau has 117 points in 67 QMJHL games, so he's ready for his chance to play and produce on a scoring line with the Panthers.
Marcus Foligno, LW, Buffalo - Drafted in the fourth round in 2009, 21-year-old Foligno wasn't an offensive force in junior, but he continued to get bigger, stronger and better. By the time he reached the NHL, in a late-season audition with the Sabres last year (when he scored 13 points in 14 games), it appeared that Foligno might have more than just a grinder's future in the NHL. He's built on that, scoring 27 points in 33 AHL games this year, which should be enough to earn a chance on a scoring line in Buffalo, where his size and physical play is a welcome addition.
Alex Galchenyuk, C/LW, Montreal - Had the NHL season started on time, there would be little reason to think that Galchenyuk would stick. He played just two regular season games last year, due to a knee injury, so making the jump to the NHL after a season lost to injury seemed far too aggressive. However, Galchenyuk has returned to action this year and has been dominant, scoring 27 goals and 61 points in 33 games, earning an invite to camp with the Canadiens. Ideally, in terms of immediate production, while Galchenyuk fits as a centre long-term, he might be able to transition more easily on the wing with a reliable veteran like Tomas Plekanec.
Sven Baertschi, LW, Calgary - The 20-year-old Swiss winger was the 13th overall pick in 2011 and had a productive junior career in Portland (240 points in 156 regular season and playoff games), tantalizing the Flames by scoring three goals in five games as an emergency recall last season. With 18 points in 21 AHL games this year, Baertschi is ready for a try on a scoring line in Calgary, apparently with Mikael Backlund and Mike Cammalleri to get things started.
Damien Brunner, RW, Detroit - For those willing to take a chance on a Swiss League veteran (scoring 221 points in 165 games over the last four seasons), 26-year-old Brunner is going to start the season on the wing with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg, which is pretty great for any first year player, but even better for Brunner is that Zetterberg joined him with Zug in the Swiss League during the lockout, so there should be some chemistry established between them. The risk for Brunner is that if he falters, the Wings have other options waiting for a chance, including Gustav Nyquist and Tomas Tatar.
Mikhail Grigorenko, C, Buffalo - Slipped to No. 12 in last summer's drat, but 50 points in 32 QMJHL games earned Grigorenko an invite to Sabres camp, where he has started on a line with Steve Ott and Ville Leino. The Sabres could use Grigorenko's playmaking skills, and there is no guarantee that the 18-year-old will even stick around long-term but, if he does, Grigorenko has the playmaking skills required to put up points.
Ryan Strome, RW, N.Y. Islanders - The fifth overall pick in 2011, Strome was shredding the OHL, with 60 points in 32 games for Niagara, when he joined Isles camp. If he's going to stay, it will be in a top-six role, which means an opportunity to score right out of the chute. If he lands on John Tavares' wing that would present obvious upside, but it's conceivable that Strome might be looking at second line minutes as a rookie.
Chris Kreider, LW, N.Y. Rangers - When Kreider joined the Rangers at the end of a national championship season for his Boston College team, he impressed immediately, using his speed to create chances and get in on the forecheck. He contributed seven points in 18 postseason games and seemed ready for a big rookie season in 2012-2013. Playing in the AHL during the lockout, however, Kreider struggled, managing a total of 12 points in 33 games, scoring two points in the last 19 games before getting the invite to camp. It's possible that Kreider makes the team and fits in a supporting role, but he may also need more time to develop his offensive game so that when he does reach the NHL, he's ready to have an impact on the game.
Beau Bennett, LW, Pittsburgh - A first-round pick in 2010, Bennett left Denver University after less than two seasons, but he made a smooth transition to the pro game, scoring 24 points in 30 games to lead Wilkes-Barre/Scranton. Bennett is among those under consideration to earn a a spot on Evgeki Malkin's wing, an enviable place in the lineup for any forward trying to put up points.
Dougie Hamilton, D, Boston - Taken ninth overall in 2011, Hamilton was mediocre at the recent World Junior Hockey Championships, but he's been cruising through the OHL this year, tallying 41 points in 32 games, enough that he is virtually assured of a spot with the Bruins. It could take some time, but Hamilton has the ability to work the power play and might get his feet wet on the second unit, which could be enough to provide value in deeper leagues.
Jaden Schwartz, LW, St. Louis - The 14th pick in the 2010 draft, Schwarz got a taste of NHL action last year (2 G, 1 A, +1, 7 GP) after he finished his sophomore season at Colorado College. His AHL numbers this year (9 G, 10 A, -14, 33 GP) haven't been great, but he's starting out with Patrik Berglund and Chris Stewart at Blues camp, a position that, if he keeps it, will afford him opportunities to score.
Mark Scheifele, C, Winnipeg - Somewhat controversially taken seventh overall in 2011 (ahead of Philadelphia's Sean Couturier), Scheifele saw action in seven games with the Jets last season before he was returned to junior. He had 49 points in 30 games with Barrie of the OHL this year before returning to Jets camp and has a chance to make the team, though maybe not yet in a scoring role.
Roman Cervenka, C, Calgary - He's 27-years-old, so a veritable veteran among the rookies and may not be ready for the start of the season as he deals with blood clot issues, but he's been so productive in the KHL (102 points in 110 games over two seasons) and the Czech league (145 points in his last 110 games) that he bears watching, particularly on a Flames team that could really use a playmaking centre to ignite their offence.
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Originally posted by Boneserino
I was thinking of starting a thread but this seems a good place. Normally I solo or play with a friend. Last night I was playing Fallen Earth and thought, why don't I ask if someone needs any help and see what happens. So I put out a message asking if anyone could use some help and sure enough a guy ( I think) says yea , I could use some better equipment. So we compare equipment and I say, yea I think I can make you some better stuff than that. I pointed out that a belt, some boots and a jacket would be a big improvement. So off I go to the next town and I start crafting him the belt and boots. I figure what the hell I will use my own mats for that. As I am crafting he comes on and asks "Do you have any money, I am really low and would like to buy this knife" I ask him how much and it is an amount that he could easily have made himself in about 30 minutes of scavenging. So I say sorry, I am not a bank, and explain this to him. Finally I have his boots and belt ready and tell him he can come and pick them up. His first words to me.... " No jacket? " So I politely say, "you would have to contribute a little to that if you want it" And as I say "Cya mate!" he goes off into the night without even a thank you. And I think to myself, "That was so rewarding I can't wait to do it again!!"
I've had similar experiences.
"If you give a mouse a cookie he's gonna ask for a glass of milk."
Don't give away free stuff. It never ends well.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
As a die-hard soloer, I feel:
The best grouping experience you'll ever have in an MMO is better than the best soloing experience.
The worst grouping experience you'll ever have in an MMO is far, far worse than the worst soloing experience.
Originally posted by Czanrei
Call me traditional, but I enjoy grouping because its an MMO, not a single-player video game. I cannot stand the direction modern devs are going with making soloing optional and even going so far to allow players to join multiple guilds.
In Ultima Online, waaaaay back in '97, I did a lot of soloing. I was a part of two guilds as well, one was a evil RP guild, and one was an Anti-pk guild.
This doesn't mean i never grouped, we did a lot of "raids" (not your traditional raids), and a lot of dungeon crawling, but make no mistake, i did a lot of soloing.
It was more or less the same before that in Neverwinter Nights, and after in SW:G and DAoC.
Wouldn't the average normal human being at least offer something in return?? What is with players that know what it takes to craft something yet just expect you to give it to them?
And not even a thank you! For something free?
I am sorry but if people are like this in a game what are they like in real life?
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
Originally posted by Czanrei
Call me traditional, but I enjoy grouping because its an MMO, not a single-player video game. I cannot stand the direction modern devs are going with making soloing optional and even going so far to allow players to join multiple guilds.
Grouping was never the traditional way to engage in MMO content. Actually, some of the early MMOs did not even have a grouping option.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
There are some inherent problems with grouping that, more or less, have always existed in MMOs and very few developers have tried to overcome. They all stem from the same tired old "either/or" development of content: You have either solo content or 5- man, 10-man, 20-man, etc, content. There is very little content available in MMOs that scale-up or down to accomodate fluid groups in a satisfying way. It has been tried: WAR did it with PQs, Rift's rifts and GW2's dynamic events are all attempts to address this. The problem is that none of them have nailed it and in all cases, they have been implemented as "third options" instead of full-fledged group-content replacements.
The standard group problems of wasting a lot of game time waiting for the group to form and more wasted time waiting for the group to reform after someone leaves are still there. Add to that the competitive nature of reward drops--especially class-limited drops--which can often leave you feeling like you just wasted 3 hours of your life you'll never get back...
What's needed is scalable fluid content that can be done with 2-40, depending on who's around and having rewards proportionate to your time commitment and participation, not just a random luck of the draw where the guy who was there for 20 minutes can end-up getting the reward and those who were there for 5 hours get nothing useful.
The purpose of grouping in an MMORPG is not to be sociable, chat and meet new people--those are the fringe benefits you get on the side. The purpose has to be inherent to the game and has to be worth your time and effort. People group less these days not because they are less sociable-- they don't do it because it generally sucks and is a waste of time compared to soloing. And this is the fault of the content developers who segregate the core game content.
I really think the mmos of today are way to afraid of making group content for leveling etc. Right now they mark them as "DANGEROUS, REQUIRE GROUP, BEWARE!!!"
I think the biggest problem with getting a group today is that it require everyone to have the same quests. AO solved this beautifully with team missions, and other older MMOs just had areas where you needed groups to kill.
Anyway.. If I didn't enjoy grouping up I'd play a single player RPGs
It depends on the game, but for the most part, yes... IF I'm sufficiently experienced in said game, have SOME knowledge of what to expect in the scenario (nothing worse than joining a group and not fully knowing your role and what is expected of you).
Time constraints can be a problem, so I don't raid... I never have the time to spend 2, 3 or more hours rooted in front of my computer, so I miss a lot of supposedly good content and items/gear, unfortunately.
Grouping nowadays amounts to your mom (devs pathetic grouping mechanics) telling you to ask the smelly kid to go with you because she doesn't want you to go to the comic book store alone.
Grouping should be because you personally feel so excited about going to the comic book store that you want to grab a few friends and make a adventure out of it.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
I love grouping, but I won't group if it kills my rate of exp. What I need then is a game that promotes grouping as a viable and superior option to leveling up alone, I like to embrace the MMO element...
In a themepark though soloing is vastly superior - traveling to end game is best done alone in 95% of the game out right now. Do something as simple as remove the idea of end game from the situation, and suddenly soling is viable, but so is grouping up, hell grouping up will get the job done faster whatever it is.
Originally posted by Enerzeal
I love grouping, but I won't group if it kills my rate of exp.
I'm actually the opposite, I WILL group even if it kills my rate of exp. or if there are no rewards.
To be grouping, with the right group, is fun in and of itself.
When with a good group of people.
As far as gear. experience and the like, since I have no problem soloing and prefer buying my gear (as long as the game allows this) then I can do that on my own time.
I enjoy grouping up with people in mmorpgs and I also like to be able to go solo when I feel I want to.
What I don't like grouping for is Raiding. I raided for years in WoW and despised it. I despised the gear grinding in raiding.
In DAOC Pre-ToA I loved grouping up with people, the dungeons weren't instanced, you just went and grabbed a spot in the dungeon and sat there killed with your group for as long as you wanted. People got to know each other, we knew each other and the community as a whole were more friendly than in todays mmo's because of this.
Today in dungeons, it's is all about the phat, l337, loot you're gonna get, or the tokens you need from it, etc. People don't get to enjoy the grouping up part.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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Depends on the activity.
Instanced content? Nah. Not interested in things that have no affect on game world. I feel people are just there for loot anyways.
World events/pvp/pve? Absolutely.
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
Originally posted by tollbooth
Why the hell are all you people playing mmo's if you don't like grouping? Someone should make a morpg that is like 50 people coop so you bitches can go play a different genre. I only want to work if i get to pick and choose my co-workers, i only want to live in new york if i get to pick and choose who lives there too. I have no social skills and can't handle uncomfortable situations... is all i'm seeing in these post. Just blows my mind how you people ended up playing mmo's.
Yes because how people choose to play an entertainment product in their downtime can be directly compared to things they need to do to survive and get ahead in their real life.
If you haven't realized by now that that soloing has always been an effective option in the MMO world, going right back to the beginning, and that there is far far more to do in an MMO than just group, then give up any argument you have because your observation and reasoning skills are too lacking to have any effect.
I loved grouping back in the day with games like EQ, DAoC, FFXI, etc., because it was easier to gain levels, a lot of the content wasn't soloable, and if it was a good group, talking with them made grinding mobs in an area for hours less of a chore.
Nowadays I avoid grouping unless I'm heading into a dungeon that requires it. It's just easier to get most things done solo. I wouldn't really have the time anymore for a game that forced me to look for a group -- especially when it was required for almost everything like in FFXI. I look back fondly at FFXI, but there were far too many times where I'd be messaging people and shouting in chat for hours looking for a group and it never happened. Sometimes i'd wait for hours, finally get into a group, the group would wipe once and the group would break up.
So there. Forced grouping can be frustrating, but not enough incentive to group is kinda boring, in my opinion.
with unknown cant say thats is fun
but after a while grouping with same people that share the same thoughts and share respect each other is what MMO is all about.
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Originally posted by SwampRob
I like grouping up only if it's entirely optional. By that I mean not just content. If there are tangible benefits to my character's power for being in a guild, then I consider that mandatory. "You can't attempt this task unless you have at least X friends with you..." is my most hated statement in MMOs. If I group up because the game demands it, them I'm resentful the entire time I'm in that group. That's bound to make me more irritable and less welcoming of others. I can determine my willingness to even attempt a new game with two questions: 1. Is PvP optional? If not, I'm gone. 2. Is there forced grouping? If yes, I'm gone.
You have read my mind. :-)
Originally posted by SwampRob
I like grouping up only if it's entirely optional. By that I mean not just content. If there are tangible benefits to my character's power for being in a guild, then I consider that mandatory. "You can't attempt this task unless you have at least X friends with you..." is my most hated statement in MMOs. If I group up because the game demands it, them I'm resentful the entire time I'm in that group. That's bound to make me more irritable and less welcoming of others. I can determine my willingness to even attempt a new game with two questions: 1. Is PvP optional? If not, I'm gone. 2. Is there forced grouping? If yes, I'm gone.
I get a kick out of reading the golden age of mmos thread and this one.
Yeah mmos don't seem like they have any depth anymore, yet strangly they're all full of people who never want to talk or do anything with anyone else now....weird how they went down hill.


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Originally posted by The-Moebius
...so my first thought would be that any game without a PvP community would be less rich...
I would say the opposite.
In my experience a heavy PvP focus seperates and sours community.
Unless by 'less rich' you mean 'less vitriol and bile'?
nope because i can do that in any game that isnt mmo and yet in my point of view i dont see the point competiting against " only " devs programmed challenges.
I Absolutly would! It seems a game cannot be balanced well in PvE at the same time as PvP. They should be focused on 1 or the other. Myself I prefer PvE.
Originally posted by m0lly
nope because i can do that in any game that isnt mmo and yet in my point of view i dont see the point competiting against " only " devs programmed challenges.
erm... it's called 'interdependent co-operative social play'...
You can do that 'in any game'?
i could play a pure pve mmo...as long as it focused completely on small group content.
I could in a heart beat.. That is what I liked about EQ1 in the beginning.. There was no battlegrounds PvP queues.. If you wanted PvP, there was select open world servers.. Otherwise.. no thanks.. I like the challenge of US (the players) against the THEM (the devs) .. For me that promotes for of a comunity then this Esport mechanics we have now.. But I understand, it's easier to get the masses to fight between themselves for content, then to create it...... Sorta like politics..
I would love to find a MMO that had ZERO pvp in it!
I am sick and tired of seeing good games wreak by pvp. We cant even get TRUE pve servers any more. They give us these craptastic pvp lite servers and call them pve servers. Tell us pvp is just consentual on them and it wont effect your pve play.. Then they add in pvp gear that is better than pve gear. Nerf classes due to pvp balance, Add in pvp perks or bufs that effect pve play and are only gotten through pvp play.
So yes 100% i would LOVE to find a mmo and play it that had NO pvp what so ever!
Why "would" ? I DO.
I like PvP, but the best MMO on the market doesnt offer it. Its really its only shortcoming.
This question is a little vague because there are many ways that a mmorpg without any single bit of pvp (no open pvp, no pvp flag, no duels, no friendly fire, no instancies, no rvr in the ways I said before...) can exist.
So the real question is, is there any possible way to make a mmorpg rpg that doenst include pvp in any possible form, that I will like?
The answer is yes.
And with pvp, I am including all the forms of pvp I said before, also including rvr as pvp.
Even if I include RVR with the other side being npc that with player like AI, in this list of possible "pvp" forms. The answer would still be yes.
Talking about people hating pvp, I am trying to imagine a game with:
-No pvp in any possible form.
-1 life permadeath
-Full item drop
-People can loot your body
-People with stealing skill can loot you.
-Items break like in real life, need to repair them.
-You see is what you get when monsters die, not getting armor from monsters without armor, unless the monsters have some armor stealing fetish (the sort of explanation to those monsters have armor while they dont use it), but they would have some space in their inventory to keep it.
You removed pvp but leaved other stuff many guy here complain alot.
Well maybe remove the stealing skill part, because without pvp the guy would try to steal you and you would be ablt to do nothing about it.
Could some one point me to a good mmo with no pvp?
Since rift added in the conquest system the game has gone to crap!
Sick and tired of good games being wreaked by pvp elements!
If you want PVP you should be playing firs person shooters. With online FPS games winning is actually about skill and not decided upon what class you are or who has the most money to invest in their character.
MMORPG's catering to PVP'ers and applying nerf after nerf is one of the biggest problems with MMORPGs today.
The poll says it all... almost 80% of the people playing MMORPGs don't even care about pvp.
I would definitally pay and play a PvE only MMO and yes, LOTRO is amazing. As someone had stated already, when the minorty of mature PvPers (Easilly identified by acting like a normal human-being when either winning or losing.) outweigh the asshat majority (They are easy to identify, as they frequently use the terms refering to 80s toys such as "Carebears" or "Go play My little Pony" or by crying about peoples preference to play a all PvE game as if someone elses gaming choice effects them at all.), it might be worth it, but I'd rather not pay cash to deal with douches when I'm supposed to be paying to have fun. From the look of this threads poll, it seems I am not the only one.
The only effect the presence or absence of PvP would have on my decision to play a game was if PvP was non-consensual, at which point I'd decline. Otherwise it does not matter to me whether there is PvP or not.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
What is the point of an MMO without PvP? You can get the same experience in an IRC channel. Maybe if it was geared around world manipulation along the lines of a minecraft MMO. I just don't see any other reason to do it. No need for different factions, territories, or any conflict at all for that matter. AI especially in MMOs is subpar challenge wise.
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
wow, I was suprised by the results, it's almost 80/20 yes. I thought I was one of the few that only pve, and never pvp. FFXI was strictly a pve game for awhile, they eventually started adding pvp content, but almost noone ever did it.
You bet I would. PVE is always a good time. If the mobs keep coming, I'll keep slaying.
Why did Marceline's dad eat her fries? I mean...cause she bought them and they were hers...
Yes, I would play a MMO that was PvE only as long as it had some depth, had no ( ! ) overhead, meaningful crafting, a guild system, exploration and an open world.
I wont even bother with a MMO if it doesnt have PvP, but Im not a griefer or anything, I do it for the intense battles. In my first few years of playing online games, I was happy with the A.I., but now its just too easy.
With PvP you always get something new in your opponent, very little predictability. So untill someone vastly improves A.I. in MMOs, I'll stick with the PvP centered games.
Good lord no, I play mmos to interact with others players within a gaming world. Removing one of the major facets of that greatly diminishes the abitlity to do so and more importantly greatly diminishes the potential the game has.
Most great fantasy, horror, sci-fi novels (which let's face it pretty much covers the genres mmorpgs are based upon) have conflict between the protagonists. Take that out of the plot and all of a sudden you have a pretty crappy story all told. Real depth in mmorpgs is driven by player interaction, removing one of the key mechanics that allow for a primary form of interaction (strife, world control) can't be a good thing.
An mmorpg doesn't HAVE to have pvp in it, but when done correctly (and not some lame as instanced bullshit), then pvp has the potential to add a massive amount on cross complexity and depth to a game.
Still the above is just my opinion, I can appreciate why some people would want to play a pve only game, if that's for them then fair enough.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
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So adults don't enjoy competition? Guess I missed that memo.
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
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So adults don't enjoy competition? Guess I missed that memo.
Mindless competition simply for the sake of competing? Nope, most adults don't enjoy that.
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To the OP,
Yes without a doubt.
1. PVP just add's on to a game/ Although I do love me some PVP
2. Played lots of games that did not have PVP and still had a blast!
I can't imagine a pure PvE holding my attention for very long. PvE is often a requirement to be able to PvP. No PvP in a game, don't think I've ever played an MMO without any PvP in it. It might as well be a SPG then for all I care.
I'm not a fan of the whole raiding thing and no PvP would likely be a grind, grind, grind, just to grind, grind and grind some more. Some PvP is a nice and challenging change that often get s the heart really pumping.
There are pure PvE games out there, I just have no idea why I'd want to play one.
I wouldn't pay a monthly sub to a 100% PvE MMO. I do enjoy PvP and I need it to break up the monotony of PvE. I could imagine playing a PvE only MMO as a casual second MMO played at off hours if it was B2P or F2P or as a main MMO while waiting for the next PvE/PvP MMO (kind of like I'm doing now playing D3 while waiting on GW2). But play a PvE MMO as my main MMO? Nope that's not for me.
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Robin Brownlee
November 11 2012 03:53PM
As contrasts go, they don't get any more jarring than the one that exists today between the Edmonton Oilers and Edmonton Eskimos, whose CFL season just came to an abrupt end in a 42-26 ass-kicking against the Toronto Argos.
While nobody is humming Happy Days Are Here Again where the Oilers are concerned after six straight years out of the playoffs -- and no clear picture of when we'll even have an NHL season with owners and the NHLPA locked in a stalemate -- only the most jaded of critics would deny the Oilers are headed in the right direction.
For all the consternation in hockey circles around town during these last six lean years, and there's been plenty, there's a stockpile of young talent here in Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and free-agent gem Justin Schultz, to name just four. Holes? Sure. Questions? Obviously. There is still much work to do after the puck eventually drops in NHL rinks again.
Even with the questions and allowing that some cards to fall right, there's not a lot of doubt that better times are ahead for fans of the Oilers. There is reason for optimism. While frustration and impatience occasionally clouds the ability to see that pending change in fortune, the disarray the Esks are in these days provides a juxtaposition that brings things into focus.
One team is on the rise. Another is plummeting.
The CFL in general and the Eskimos in particular have been a nice distraction during the NHL lockout, but if your interest wanes as mine now does with the Esks out after getting stomped in Hogtown, what remains is to wait for Gary Bettman and Donald Fehr to pull their heads out and strike a deal. That, or to duly note what a helluva mess the Eskimos are.
Eric Tillman is already out the door as GM. Can Kavis Reed, a good man with a knack for making bad coaching decisions, be far behind after what we saw against the Argos? Is there a sane reason behind sitting out Hugh Charles for even one series in favor of Cory Boyd? How many other calls by Reed this season fall under the category, to be charitable, of questionable?
And what of the key position of quarterback, which started to go south with Tillman's decision to trade Ricky Ray to Toronto, thinking Steven Jyles was the answer? Jyles didn't get a sniff today. Kerry Joseph is 39 years old, Matt Nichols, thought by many to be the quarterback of the future, will have to overcome the horrendous looking dislocated ankle he suffered today to factor into the mix next season.
While the Oilers have pieces to add and tweaking at certain positions to get the mix right, I'd rather face the task that awaits Steve Tambellini and Ralph Krueger than the tear down and overhaul the Eskimos need to undertake if they hope to return to respectability.
Fans of the Oilers have already endured most of the short-term pain that comes with the do-over they've been treated to in recent seasons. The pay-off is coming. Even the most strident fan of the Eskimos can't say the same about their football team. It's ugly, and likely to get worse before it gets better.
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November 11 2012, 09:40PM
"WARNING--extremly long Couch-Coach reality check breakdown!!!Must have hockey sooooon!!!..."
No worries dude, I never read what you have to say anyways :)
Thanks for this post NAS! I think its great that you take the time to comment and to join the conversation. I am glad that people don't feel like they need to be a professional writer to comment here. I come from a rural background with a Dad who can barely read, but who did a damn fine job raising me and my siblings. I learned a tremendous amount from that man who never got past grade 8.
I just happened to stumble down another path spending far too much time in schools and universities, so I can write without fear of being harassed for 'comma usage' or other such semantic crimes (I wait with great anticipation for someone to point out some egregious error in this very post).
Your comments add to the discussion and are perfectly readable - even if you commit a few grammar related fouls here and there.
I think that those of us who have had the advantage of a good publicly funded education and who are writing in our first language perhaps need to take some caution in our attacks based upon spelling, language, comma use, and so on.
I would rather that people feel comfortable and welcome to join the conversation regardless of their writing abilities. One of the things that I find so great about ON and Lowetide's site is how many different individuals I 'meet' here. This site crosses many boundaries in terms of age, livelihoods, gender, geography and so on.
So, no more comma comments from me. I will argue with people based upon the arguments they make, not on their elegance in writing. With that said, people who cannot spell Gagner correctly at this point deserve to be excommunicated from ON, whipped with piano wire and then thrown in a pit of salt-water.
November 11 2012, 06:47PM
With the cap going down can you say bye bye to Hall or RNH. We put up with the losing now we wont be able to keep all the players, thanks Gary!!!
You should probably check the Oilers contracts -- as in who comes off the books and when -- before you boldly declare Hall or RNH gone.
Won't happen.
Lots of people complained. He and Pisani were clear overpays, management was trying to calm down the fans after the Pronger fiasco.
Maybe I turned a deaf ear to all the criticism, but all I remember is:
Albeit, those comments could have been mine...
The entire Eskimo program is in disarray. It has been for years.The Oilers is not much better Other than ending at the bottom of the league for far to long.What has the Oilers so called brain-trust done.Everyone wanted Schultz that was a no brainer.
Pro scouting is atrocious. Not having a farm team for years is unforgivable.
Now the arena mess.
What is next trading too much for Loungo?
A second round draft pick is too much IMO.
Yeah, everyone wanted shultz.
Which team got him again?
Also, in case you haven't noticed, the team now has a pretty good farm team and very impressive development system.
November 11 2012, 11:04PM
A few more posts like that and Wanye will be slapping character restrictions on us.
November 12 2012, 07:42AM
A few more posts like that and Wanye will be slapping character restrictions on us.
This is like the final harrah for NewAgeSys,alas I am taking a shot at returning to the workforce after a very long and still very real injury stoppage,uhealed,unhealthy and rarin to go,just like WCB likes it to be!!!Partially subluxed Necrotic hips -check,chronic recurring soft and connective tissue damage--check,fractured spine- check,thorough and complete nerve dissassociation and tweaking-check,recurring bouts of high end inflamation -check,all kinds of really cool freaky compensatory muscle growth in the oddest places-check.Just look at what could happen to you if you get caught up in WCBs crooked web of deciet.Thousands of Albertans and Canadians are in my boat,but I am not taking the conventional route and rolling over,I am reaching out to EveryMan and EveryWoman here and other places to keep my perspective moving forward constantly.
I tend to be a nigh-owl,writing is better chronic pain therapy than Pharmacuticals which i havent used in six years,yes that right I unequivoclly said NO-- no thanks-- to the Oxycocet and the Percocet and the myriad of really intersting anti-inflammatories doctors have to give you,those things make you numb and comfortable but tend to reduce your lifespan dramaticly if you "google"them---and to think pre-injury I didnt even know how to turn on a computer!!!Sometimes one door closing simply opens another to somewhere new.
All you regular writers here many who make a living at it I think ,can obviously tell when someone who hasnt spent their life writing and communicating beyond a blue-collar working class EveryPerson level is posting---I am proud of my background and newly discovered hacking/ writing skills and have had lots of fun using my interest in Hockey as a sort of curative therapy.
I understand that everyone doesnt post long messages,but variety is the spice of life isnt it?
What I can say is thank you to everyone , thanks for your patience and acceptance to all the regulars here and to anyone new, this is an incredibly informative,interactive and generally great place to hang your hat if you are an Oilers fan or a hockey fan in general, it is what it is I guess--scroll through long posts if you choose--if you are bored hang around theres usually something for everyone somewhere in my diatrades.
I am ok with the OP deleting any posts they feel take away from their articles,I will not complain--I generally try to respect the direction the OP is going,but I am not perfect by a longshot.No harm no foul,I am just a fan having some fun,and the professoanl writers here are earning a living,the last thing I would want to do is take anything away from that dynamic.I think the quality of their work is generally so high that it stimulates good discussion,every time.I dont want to interfere with that I want to add to it if i can.As a writer its probably pretty hollow to not hear any discourse about your work.Stimulating thought and conversation is kinda the point of writing,right??Replys are like than yous.
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November 11 2012, 04:54PM
With the cap going down can you say bye bye to Hall or RNH. We put up with the losing now we wont be able to keep all the players, thanks Gary!!!
The entire Eskimo program is in disarray. It has been for years.The Oilers is not much better Other than ending at the bottom of the league for far to long.What has the Oilers so called brain-trust done.Everyone wanted Schultz that was a no brainer.
Pro scouting is atrocious. Not having a farm team for years is unforgivable.
Now the arena mess.
What is next trading too much for Loungo?
A second round draft pick is too much IMO.
November 11 2012, 06:03PM
Dump Horcoff and we are more then fine... Most expensive 3rd liner in the league
It's so easy to be a Horcoff hater. Yet when the deal was signed, I'd bet not one of you complained at the time...(I know I didn't, I am always on the lookout for bad deals)
November 11 2012, 06:52PM
It's so easy to be a Horcoff hater. Yet when the deal was signed, I'd bet not one of you complained at the time...(I know I didn't, I am always on the lookout for bad deals)
Lots of people complained. He and Pisani were clear overpays, management was trying to calm down the fans after the Pronger fiasco.
November 11 2012, 07:18PM
Have to agree with Brownlee the Fab 5 are going no where. There is other places to cut to make things work. Such as all the Contracts coming off the books in the next few years.
November 11 2012, 07:36PM
It's so easy to be a Horcoff hater. Yet when the deal was signed, I'd bet not one of you complained at the time...(I know I didn't, I am always on the lookout for bad deals)
At the time I honestly said way to much and way to long... What kills me is you see Horcoff up front behind Fehr in the negotiations... I know he's a union member but really but really anytime u pay Shawn horcoff 5.5 mil the league is in trouble.
November 11 2012, 09:23PM
Sadly, I am old enough to remember the '80s, when both teams dominated. We came to expect that just by naming Edmonton "The City of Champions" it would remain so forever. We were so naive.
November 11 2012, 09:29PM
It's so easy to be a Horcoff hater. Yet when the deal was signed, I'd bet not one of you complained at the time...(I know I didn't, I am always on the lookout for bad deals)
WARNING--extremly long Couch-Coach reality check breakdown!!!Must have hockey sooooon!!!...
I wasnt a Horcoff hater and when we offered him the contract I was shocked,I didnt think we were that desperate even then,and to top it all off Lowe dragged Horcoff to a few high profile international games using his influences to shine him up before the sales job.I dont want to ruffle Lowe right now because he has evolved so much in the last year,he is in a different league right now.But the facts state that there was a lot of salesmanship and tactical planning surrounding the entire Horcoff issue,some of the things Kevin Lowe did back then may be the reasons we have the stud core we have today.I refuse to second guess a record like this one,it cannot be fairly done ,questions can be asked but only to learn how to pull off this kind of generalship.Kudos to the master Sensei Lowe.
And I have historicly found it easier to critique Lowe than credit him,but if integrity is used and the focus kept forward where it belongs,you have to admit its dam nice to have Kevin Lowe on your team when you are looking in the rear-view mirror.I recently watched some very early Oilers games and I had somehow forgotten the presence Lowe had on the ice and the tough as nails effort he gave every night,very Pronger-like.Its almost better to look the other way and just let him do his thing,he finds a way to win.
And the Horcoff debacle is over anyways because now he is a perfect 3rd liner on what is looking like a Championship team.As a 3rd liner he fits in perfectly.He could definately play up like Smyth and Hemmer but from the 3rd line these guys will be devestating.
The Eskimos have no identity,no esprit de corps,they need a catalyst that can be initiated quickly and really gel them together,the contracts and longevity of players within specific systems makes the CFL a very generic difficult place to operate a superior system in.So many players come and go that you realy need a system that can captivate everyone and be understood by all but not be so generic as to be less than superior.We had a very good team this year,excellent personell,and we showed a last second burst at the end of the year,when we somehow found a rallying point,you would need to ask kavis what it was,but it nearly worked,we were just a few adjustment from a five game win streak to finish the year,i didnt watch the Playoff game as I knew we would start our more experienced QB and that alone was to much to stomach---there is a time to call a spade a spade,Niclols rocked and should have been given the team. The Eskimos experimented with some dynamic managment tactics when they righted the ship,when Stamps lit it up and they began to view the field a little differently,but the change wasnt early enough apparently.And kavis didnt have the support he needed to make a dynamic managment strategy work 100%,close and he tried it on his own ,but not quite.
You need to take risks sometimes and go with what is working for the entire team without trying to micromanage to much, and as I knew the QB duties would go to the traditional player as opposed to the current dynamic leader on the field I wouldnt even watch the game,I knew Nichols would be asked to come in and clean up a mess,which as I hear is exactly what happened.Kavis needs a better system,we have good enough players,we need a superior system consistantly executed,one based on dynamic managment which is the best way to engage teams in the CFL--an offense first league.Maybe Kavis needs to call moma2 and ask about the NewAge Football System??Ha ha ha.
Both of these teams need intuative dynamic managment consulting done immediatly and that is ALL they need done,both organisations have everything they need from a structural organisational standpoint to produce Championship results,the real problem is that they have no team personalitys,they are stuck in mediocre-land with the pack.There is a need for a new vision and managment style one catalysed by something that cannot be defended against--intuition and dynamic tactical awareness.Both teams play a possesion/transition type of game where you need to initiate as much offensive punch as you can for the entire game,there is no room for defensive mindsets in sports like these.And this means there is a need for a new managment style,an unconventional one that produces superior results.Same problem every pro team has---this type of assistance doesnt grow on trees,isnt advertised in the book as "Intuative Dynamic Managment Consultant" and doesnt come knocking on your door either--you need to go find it.And even when you find such help how do you validate the potential results??MMMMmmm,same old problems.
I think the Oilers could very well be in the three bottom spots come draft day again,because unless we see this exact dynamic managment I described above executed by the organisation we will pick up exactly where we left off last year,I havenet even read a fair and descriptively accurate assesment of last years implosion.
The Oilers havent fixed anything at all yet,we are fresh off of watching the Kings execute "our" best gameplan to a Stanley Cup,thats all we have done so far,waiting for the kids to suddenly and magiclly mature is a pipedream,the future looks no brighter than two years ago,frankly.We cant expect to rely on the big three and expect to make the playoffs unless they all show marked improvement soon on faceoffs and on o-zone penetration with terminal results.So far only Magnus and Yakupov are showing an elevation of their games in terms of youngsters,Omark doesnt count until we hear Krueger endorse him but he has done something special this year ,he was always penciled in for me he has an amazing special type of small mans game like Fleury had,special.Tuebert has evolved markedly as well.
I have no reason to believe that the Oilers are capable of choosing or initiating a superior system of play that can eclipse the sucess levels they achieved last year,I have heard statments by Ralph Krueger about an increased offensive awareness and some excellent sales pitches that are expected from someone with dynamic communication experience as he has.I have every reason to take Ralph at his word and will continue to do so until he encourages me otherwise.But this is still just my own decision to be loyal to Ralphs intentions,I have no results based data to use to support the potential improvments.There are no historical NHL results to base anything Ralph may be theorising on,its all unproven at this point and simply conjecture and high hopes.
In my opinion the Oilers last year were forced to accept a transition away from defensive minded hockey to spite managments wishes.there was a catalyst present that kept pushing the team in a new direction.They finally late in the year aknowledged a catalyst that was attatched to the bulk of their sucessful play, once they identified it and found it to be unconventional but accurate they made a tactical decision to recruit as close a'conventional" facsimile to the original source or catalyst of that positive change as they could find---enter Mac T-- a solid respected Professional hockey mind.Excellent choice that brings reason for hope.
At this point I expect to see the exact type of system that Mac-T always wanted to use.When we went to the final with Mac-T we didnt have the skill we have today,people dont know how offensive that system really was just remember this,had we opened it up in the regular season like we did in the playoffs Pisani might have scored 40 goals and he had the shot to do just that.
The problem is that the entire NHL systemwise has evolved a lonnnnng way since then,and the adjustments that mac-T was ahead of the curve in making back then are just buttered toast today.The most consistant execution of Mac-Ts system would at best give us an result equal to last years,simply because the league has evolved so far beyond those adjustments.
Personally I do not see anything encouraging other than Ralph Kruegers brave stance.I am watching the kids all one way or another still failing to improve on the details of the game,face-offs,positioning,adjustments,60min focus,I see them playing in the AHL and reverting back to old habits from last year to support that system.Nelson finally split them up to force them to evolve a little individually with new linemates,good job Jelly--I mean Nelly--you gotta know moma2 is coming for you sooner or later.You keep up the good work,things are on track.
I am seeing some vets doing exactly what the kids arent doing,Laddy is making a focused effort to step into the play when it is obviously open and he is working on doing it only when it is a bang on opportunity,his decision making is evolving very well,Petrell has made a choice to work on his offense as has a favorite of mine for his work ethic and cojones Omark,Yakupov has continued to work on his overall game and bring it up a notch allround,Peckham has gotten into the best shape of his career,Hemsky has gotten healthy and is working on his shot,his stats lie he has hit a LOT of posts so far,Sam worked out hard this summer in a new environment and with a new focus,Whitney seems to be healthy although with him and his mobility issues nothing less than 100% will do he MUST be able to engage a rush game but he has worked especially hard in the off-season.There are lots of examples of hope,but not all is as it could be yet.
Kabbybulin is an anomaly we dont know what is brewin or not brewing with him ,ever,its like he is a media ghost.The guy who still could help us get into the playoffs hasnt been anything but transparent.Dubby seems to have become a politician,we never hear about him working on his game anymore,he is pulling his own version of a Cpt.Louongo--getting sidetracked to support other people--at the expense of his development.Just at a time when the real Louongo is literally breathing down his neck salivating the thought of ten years with this core group.Horcoff or Smyth or Belanger or whoever should have stepped up and gotten Dubby out of that dam mess.So now our supposedly next One isnt even in the right mindset--its not about his ability,its about the situations SUITABILITY,this is our young goalie we need to micromanage him better.
We havent addressed our 4th line scoring issues or our deterrant issues,the wolf-pack mentality is fine but its not the entire solution to system integrity.Laraque hasnt been actively recruited and he is an obvious requirement,for his puck possesion and scoring ability believe it or not.We will likely miss Sutton and his size and deterrant value is very hard to replace.
I am not sure we are able and willing to support any system we play because there is a historical unwillingness in E-town to rush in replacements,we play guys at 90%--85%--75%-its like Vagas on a Saturday night-- there is zero system continuity confidence here anymore--guys on the farm are not properly respected ,so I cannot help but forcast another year of excuses and injuries across the board,the catalyst for those excuses hasnt been removed so why should they disappear.maybe Ralph will promise us he will only play guys who are 100% healthy---ooops i forgot the old BS line"eveyone plays with little dings and nicks its part of hockey no ones really ever at 100%"ha ha ha ha.
I am not even sure our support staff are on par now,there were a lot of equipment issues last year for some reason.Skate problems stick problems,ice issues,logistics issues with travel and hotels,players getting sick in bunches from improper isolation, the list goes on and on.
I think the Esks and the Oilers have the POTENTIALS to go in championship directions,however actualising those potentials will require a component neither organisation has been able to quantify,identify,and personify,there is a missing key they both require.Intuative Dynamic Managment--the Teflon Don of the world of competative tactics.Its the majic in a can all Championship team find a way to open up on opponents.
When you are losing the logical thing to try is something new,the illogical thing to do is the same things just slower,that what getting back to basics is,its illogical,these Pro teams need something NEW.Something that incorporates all they now embrace and ADDS a new component.
Look I am just some fan who doesnt know anything about pro sports,I can only sit at home and play couch-coach,and we all know thats just for entertainment purposes,fun.
Its nice to have somewhere to vent the free time thats hanging around with no HOCKEY available.
November 11 2012, 10:26PM
New Age-sys..., please please take you medication on a regular basis.
November 11 2012, 10:55PM
First, I actually have to hand it to NewAgeSys, that takes time and commitment, and trust me, I know. That is perhaps the longest comment I've ever seen on the Nations - and I think I was the previous title-holder.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand...
The rebuild phase in the CFL, so far as I know, takes less time on the field than it does in the NHL on the ice. Players are drafted later, move around more, and there is the massive talent pool south of the border.
That being said, the toughest part of rebuilding a hockey team is drafting the right talent at the right position. The toughest part of rebuilding this football team has been and will continue to be finding the right management people for the right positions.
The organization has been misguided or dysfunctional in the management department for some time now, and the problems on the field have been taken as a problem when in fact they have been only a symptom, in my opinion.
I'm a hard marker on the Eskimos, far more so than I am for the Oilers. And I have been thoroughly demoralized with this franchise for the past twelve years.
For what it is worth, I'll be cheering on the Argos and should they fail, the Alouettes. Ricky Ray deserves another Grey Cup and I'm not too proud to cheer for his success in another city. Anthony Calvillo is a deserving athlete and person and I have great respect for the organization Jim Popp has built.
If Calgary wins I may vomit.
November 11 2012, 10:57PM
Unfortunately (especially for this Alouettes fan) in a 6 team league it is far easier to re-build, re-tool, and regain superiority. 4 of 6 make the playoffs, and 3 good games with a healthy squad can win the cup. It's a different scenario, and even though the Esks seem to be in an unintentional self-destruct mode, they likely have a a shorter road to contention than the Oilers do (and certainly shorter than the Oilers did).
November 12 2012, 06:40AM
New Age-sys..., please please take you medication on a regular basis.
You're taking it with me right now,ha ha.Maybe they need me in the room with Bettman and Fehr??Whattda ya think??Lock em both in there and let NewAgeSys have at em??
November 12 2012, 06:41AM
A few more posts like that and Wanye will be slapping character restrictions on us.
Make it so.
November 12 2012, 08:53AM
what i gather from the Eskimo, "If its broke dont fix it"."We are smarter than everyone else"."Its Not Kerrys Fault".Putting Nichols in down thirty points meant he had to stand in the pocket longer to try for the big plays.Reed has to go
November 12 2012, 09:57AM
"Kerry gives us our best chance to win". On what planet? Reed went to the wall with Joseph and lost. Fine.Move on. New GM.New QBs.New OC. New Coach? The Eskimo's have not developed QB's for years. The Ray era put a kibosh on that aspect of the Eskimo's player development.Will Nichols be the guy? Who knows. We know Jyles and Joseph are not. Joseph would make a great coach.Bring him back as a QB would send the wrong message.
Reed? Body of work? Tough call. Definitely room for improvement. Would I keep him? I would. But the rope would be a short one.
GM? Ed Hervey has earned his stripes and its his job to lose.
OC? Would Matt Dunigan consider the job? OR is he happy in the TSN booth.
Oilers/Barons. A lost NHL season might just be what this team needs to develop their players properly. Certainly great as a team building exercise to have all that youth and talent on the bus in OKC. Boys on the Bus 2.
"This is like the final harrah for NewAgeSys,alas I am taking a shot at returning to the workforce after a very long and still very real injury stoppage,uhealed,unhealthy and rarin to go,just like WCB likes it to be!!!"
At least you didn't take a gun into the WCB office dude. I'm pretty sure some folks here would have used one on you after a few of your lengthy posts if given the chance. Cheers and good luck,but I suspect it's not the last we've heard from you.
November 12 2012, 12:09PM
I think the Eskimos have been, historically, a far more arrogant organization than the Oilers. And that's saying something. They've taken the fanbase here for granted for decades, and were far more skilled with manipulating the system in the pre-cap years than anyone else, simply because they were far more flush with cash than anyone else. Now that there's a significantly more even playing field, and they no longer have the Trappers as a revenue stream to fill roster holes at the most convenient of times, things have changed, and they can't adapt. Tilman was an embarrassing desperation hire, and said a lot about how far the Eskimos have deviated from their core values. Regardless, when they sold the Trappers, I was done with them. They can deal with the curse of Homer now.
November 12 2012, 12:39PM
Totally unrelated to the topic at hand, but I normally count on twitter to let me know there are new blogs here at ON. I can't stand the ON twitter account. Before I'd come by once every couple days, now once every couple weeks. Lockout effect, maybe. Annoying twitter account, I can say certainly.
BTW, good read, Brownlee.
Tillman - when he was hired, I though it was a good move. Apprently I was wrong on many fronts here.
Ray - I like him but I don't think the Eskimos were going win with him. I don't think Toronto will either but using the running game is going to allow him to get further. I applauded the trade BUT I was sure Tillman had a QB lined up. He didn't. Unbelievable.
Watching the Esks yesterday with their time-count violations, illegal procedure, too many men . . . makes me doubt Reed. I like him, his attitude and he's a good interview but holy-moly man, playoff time and we still don't know what to do. It's a fire drill with no direction. Maybe a combination of Reed and LaPolice would do well.
Skipping through the Calgary/Saskatchewan game, what a difference. They looked like teams that deserved to be there.
I had hoped the Esks would win. I'm not disappointed they didn't. They're just an awful team that ended up 3rd worst in the final standings.
I really enjoy watching the Esks and the CFL. This season I wasn't a frustrated as last year. Maybe it's because my expectations are much lower.
Rex is right. They've done nothing since the salary cap clampdown.
November 12 2012, 03:25PM
No doubt the Eskimos are in turmoil and have been in a slide since Hugh Campbell left us with a weak succession plan. Campbell elevated his buddy Rick Lalecheur (a person with no football experience) to be the head man; followed by the Machochia debacle and then the hasty Tillman hiring. The Eskimo mystique has been unraveling for nearly a decade. The Eskimos deserve the flack, but why is the mainstream Edmonton media intimidated to pounce on the Oilers with the same gusto. Even the dysfunctional Eskimo operation over the past few years does not match the Oiler's ineptitude over the same time span. Sure Tillman should be taken to task for the Ray trade and his arrogance, but what about Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini's longer record of incompetence. Lowe was never qualified to be GM in the first place--he had one year as an assistant coach and two years as head coach before he became Oiler's GM, but no management or business background nor academic training to prepare him for the job. His legacy of poor trades, hiring pals and exorbitant contracts for average players suggest a track record of mediocrity--yet now we're told to be happy because things are turning around. With so many #1 draft choices a rhesus monkey could make an improvement. The Eskimos criticism is warranted, but don't be afraid to take on the Oilers as well given that their recent past performance has been much worse.
November 12 2012, 11:35PM
No doubt the Eskimos are in turmoil and have been in a slide since Hugh Campbell left us with a weak succession plan. Campbell elevated his buddy Rick Lalecheur (a person with no football experience) to be the head man; followed by the Machochia debacle and then the hasty Tillman hiring. The Eskimo mystique has been unraveling for nearly a decade. The Eskimos deserve the flack, but why is the mainstream Edmonton media intimidated to pounce on the Oilers with the same gusto. Even the dysfunctional Eskimo operation over the past few years does not match the Oiler's ineptitude over the same time span. Sure Tillman should be taken to task for the Ray trade and his arrogance, but what about Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini's longer record of incompetence. Lowe was never qualified to be GM in the first place--he had one year as an assistant coach and two years as head coach before he became Oiler's GM, but no management or business background nor academic training to prepare him for the job. His legacy of poor trades, hiring pals and exorbitant contracts for average players suggest a track record of mediocrity--yet now we're told to be happy because things are turning around. With so many #1 draft choices a rhesus monkey could make an improvement. The Eskimos criticism is warranted, but don't be afraid to take on the Oilers as well given that their recent past performance has been much worse.
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19th April 2016, 0:07 at 12:07 am #318087
Yeah some very capable riders have found Ducati to be tough to tame over the years, Casey Stoner aside!
It'll be very interesting to see how JL gets on.
(*Read about* how he gets on, since I don't have BT)19th September 2015, 16:28 at 4:28 pm #305496
Why do they have to change it? It's only been on for a handful of years. Why can't Just Drive become Sky's The Chain over the next 20 years!15th September 2015, 23:00 at 11:00 pm #305207
Tour de France! :P24th August 2015, 19:27 at 7:27 pm #303811
My vote goes to the old Brabham 'fan car' – brilliant, withdrawn after one race for being too good!
I liked the little sweeping horns (dumbo wings?) on the nose cone of the '08 Mclaren MP4-23.16th February 2015, 8:20 at 8:20 am #292166
How long does Sky have F1 for?
Will be interesting to see how much the new bid for rights is. Will declining viewers and declining sponsors be offset by competition between BT and Sky?8th January 2015, 0:13 at 12:13 am #290114
For 2010? What if Lewis never got that puncture in Spain forcing a DNF from 2nd?
I which I could have seen this though – What if post-Mclaren Alonso had picked RedBull instead of Renault?25th November 2014, 0:49 at 12:49 am #287157
Being an F1 driver he's probably really superstitious.
Remind me what the MP4-24 with the #1 on it was like again? Not particularly effective at a title defence if I recall!
So I can see why he would want to avoid #1 if possible!!23rd November 2014, 20:00 at 8:00 pm #287004
Where did you read that?
Lewis maybe wants to build the #Team44 #LH44 branding he tweets a lot with?
But I guess Mercedes will be quite keen to get #1 on their car after spending so much money, it would be good for marketing.
Shouldn't be too difficult to sort it out between them, they are world champions and that is the main thing to them afterall.2nd November 2014, 17:49 at 5:49 pm #282003
2009 had adjustable front wings.
I get the impression they seem to be forgotten/overlooked by most people.
Were they just ditched due to being rather ineffective (and replaced with a more radical aero effecting solution in rear wing DRS)?19th October 2014, 21:01 at 9:01 pm #279723
What is the split-screen multi like?
I didn't enjoy it on F1 2013 due to two reasons:
1. In F1 2013 and it's split-screen multi is flawed due to not being able to save custom player 2 controls – you must always enter your custom controls EVERY race by pausing and changing (this wasn't a problem in F1 2012).
2. Also there was no multi-player series where you could pick a few races and championship against you buddy in a 1-2 hour gaming session (like you could in F1 2012).
Anyone able to tell me if they hHave they fixed these gripes in F1 2014? If not I'll pass.5th October 2014, 22:54 at 10:54 pm #277284
I hope the Mclaren-Honda is an Earth Car!
I see no reason why it ever would be but I hope nevertheless! :D2nd October 2014, 0:10 at 12:10 am #276471
Be sensible Formula E: Ban fan boost.8th August 2014, 0:11 at 12:11 am #269665
More excited by the Mercedes Mario Kart tie-up to be honest! :P
They competelt mucked up split-screen multi with F1 2013. They better fix that.
All I want to do is pick three or four races, and do a small championship with a friend in the same room like I could do with F1 2012. Not select a single race – change all the second player's button commands to their liking – race then have to repeat… god that was frustrating not being able to save custom button controls for player 2.13th July 2014, 0:45 at 12:45 am #266461
It was good to see them wheel to wheel. Clean racing on the limits, as it usually is when Champions race each other.22nd June 2014, 0:16 at 12:16 am #263943
Great that WTCC is having a go on the big track at Nurburgring!
I doubt WEC will ever go to the Nordschleife but with two German P1 manufacturers and a third, German based P1 manufacturer (Toyota, TMG, Cologne) I wonder if they will ever push to have a WEC race on the F1 track at Nurburgring.


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why is it when the humans get power they gain alot of power really fast for example: when ichigo got his death god powers he was at captain level in like 2 months. sado is at captain level in only 4 months. Ishida went to captain level in a months training. even Tatsuki is at least a vice captain level, even though we dont know what her power is
it take shinigamis and Arrancar hundreds of years to get that much power so why do the humans get it so fast


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Last Friday, I posted about the Jade Bracelet that I bought from my suki (post here). This time, I'm going to post about the Aquamarine Bracelet that I got. Aquamarine is a blue or turquoise variety of beryl. This I got from Wikipedia.
Just like my Jade Bracelet, this bracelet looks the same with the same size of rounded beads that are strung in an elastic nylon. Very simple but very nice because of it color. The light blue shade of this gem stone arouses feelings of sympathy, trust, harmony and friendship. This is said to bring about good feelings. Feelings that are based on mutuality and which prove their worth in lasting relationships. So basically, this is a gemstone that would probably be good for people who would want to enhance marriage and love relationships. According to old traditions, this gemstone promises a happy marriage and is said to bring the woman who wears it joy and wealth into the bargain.
Women all over the world love this gemstone because of its fine blue shade which complements any skin or eye color.
For the people who were born during the month of March, it has been identified as the gemstone in 1912. However, they also said that it is the birth stone for the zodiac sign of Scorpio (which totally confuses me because I have always known Topaz as the birthstone of November which is the month that belongs to the Scorpio group). But anyway, if you want know more about this, you can check out this table here.
Although I have no tangible proof of its effectivity, I would still say that it's a pretty gemstone and I know that it in the long run, it will probably have its benefits. Sometimes, I just wonder, if there's no truth to these, then why would people write about it right?


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At the start or the end of a hectic day, little compares to the solace of a cozy bedroom. That's why Atlanta-based decorator Phoebe Howard (known to her devoted fans across the South simply as "Mrs. Howard") always asks, "How can I make the most luxurious, comfortable, restful place — like the best hotel room you've ever been in, times 10?"
The dream-inducing rooms seen here — from Howard's first book, The Joy of Decorating — all share a few calling cards: soothing palettes, layers of pattern and texture, noteworthy beds, and carpeting underfoot. Howard is also a big fan of small seating areas — like a bench at the foot of the bed or even a lone chair. "All those pillows from the bed have to go somewhere when you turn in at night!" she says.
Howard, who is self-taught (and who calls herself "the accidental decorator"), says she builds bedrooms around the woman of the house, explaining, "If she's happy, everyone is happy." To that end, she advocates multiple sources of soft lighting, ample use of fabrics (canopies, quilts, and comforters folded at the foot of the bed are some of her go-to elements), dainty night tables, and a TV tucked well out of the way.
Her oft-repeated mantra: Keep it pretty. "Don't be afraid of that word!" says Howard. "I like things to be pleasing to the eye, not overdone or overthought."
The fastest way to achieve that bit of beauty, she adds, is to "get the right color up on the walls — whatever speaks to you is the way you should go." Howard's personal favorite is the soothing, barely-there shade of blue-gray shown on the next slide.
Then, remember not to clutter it up too much. "In a bedroom, you're looking for peace and quiet," says Howard. "Every morning, I want to open my eyes and love what I see."
Thanks to a pale palette and unfussy details like the chic blue-gray bedding, the muted painting, and the white-on-white bedside light, this room feels serene but not snoozy.
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Shonn Greene report from Sporting News
Posted 26 April 2009 - 09:14 AM
RB, Iowa
War Room analysis
Inside running: Consistently attacks the hole and punishes defenders. Is patient; waits for blockers to open the hole. Shows solid flexibility. Is able to knock the tackler backward. Falls forward for an extra yard or two when going down. Does an excellent job of keeping his legs churning after contact. Is able to easily run through arm tackles and keep his feet against hard hits. Grade: 8.5
Outside running: Does not show the explosive burst to consistently get around the corner. Is able to make sharp cuts. Is very effective running through defensive back and linebacker tackles on the edge. Grade: 6.5
Blocking: Is not an experienced lead blocker. Gives questionable effort in pass protection. Needs work on his technique. Grade: 4.5
Hands/routes: Is only adequate catching the ball. Does not consistently keep his eyes on the ball. Will fight the ball at times. Is inexperienced running routes, catching only 11 passes during his college career. Is a strong and productive runner after the catch. Grade: 5.5
Durability: Shows toughness and competitiveness. Was only a full-time starter for one season. Needs to prove he can handle an entire NFL season. Grade: 5.5
Bottom line: Green's Iowa career is somewhat of a concern because he was a one-year wonder. He was a backup in 2005 and '06 and was declared academically ineligible in '07. He has many of the tools to be a starting tailback in the NFL, but his limitations in pass protection and lack of explosiveness could keep him from being a first-round selection.
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The Jets traded their third, fourth, and seventh-round picks to move up eleven spots in the third round to select Iowa RB Shonn Greene with the No. 65 overall pick in the NFL Draft.
The Jets aren't shy going for the players they want, giving up five picks and three veterans for two rookies in Mark Sanchez and Greene. It's expensive, but we love the fit. Greene, at 235 pounds, is a classic bruiser who will pound teams in the red zone. But he can also block and catch passes, making him a major dynasty sleeper. This crushes Thomas Jones' 2009 value because they will likely split carries and Jones will lose touchdowns, assuming Jones is even back with the team. Greene will probably take over in 2010.
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It is better to destroy than create what is meaningless, so the picture will not be finished.
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:35 AM
He is a Bradon Jacobs clone. Will pound the hole (ROFL) and lives for contact. I can see him and Leon leading the attack for several years.
Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:40 AM
I'd rather have Jacobs
Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:41 AM
Don't mention that to Jetsfan115.
Posted 26 April 2009 - 11:55 AM
Nobody is a Brandon Jacobs clone. He's Far from that.
Posted 26 April 2009 - 12:20 PM
His burst will surprize you. Yea the speed numbers don't jump out at ya. He reminds me of a young bettis style. I wasn't a fan of his at first, but he grows on you as he just keeps banging.
He is alot more than just a goal line type.
I watched all his games since he was at Iowa. Hope he works out for Jets.
After last years #6, we have to have some luck coming our way?
He is just so truely humble...and is really hard to find today and that carries him
Posted 26 April 2009 - 12:59 PM
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I'll take that next season
His report states a one year starter & seen limited playing time. I see this as a plus in a smash mouth RB.
Jetsfan 115 has just committed sideyways
Posted 26 April 2009 - 07:20 PM
Dude is a savage!
In an interview on newyorkjets.com he answers a questions about his running style. Saying "Yea I love contact, I love the Violence" .. I think we know the kinda people Rex likes.
Posted 26 April 2009 - 07:35 PM
He is alot more than just a goal line type.
I watched all his games since he was at Iowa. Hope he works out for Jets.
After last years #6, we have to have some luck coming our way?
He is just so truely humble...and is really hard to find today and that carries him
I'm a Big Ten guy also (Penn State) and I got to see Greene run a bunch and let me tell you, he can fuckin flat out ball. He reminds me of a Bettis/W.Parker hybrid. Thats almost the perfect comparison to how this guy plays. He's got wheels, don't let the skeptics fool you. I saw him outrun LB's @ OSU and PSU all season long, and his initial burst will certainly surprise. I'm with you Jetshenderson, I think he could be a great player. Rex Ryan and Tanny know what their doing.
p.s. can we please think of a new name for those two? Tangini was perfect, haha. Now what? RyanBaum? lol. T-Rex?
Posted 26 April 2009 - 08:21 PM
If he has Lamont type ability.....PERFECT
Posted 26 April 2009 - 08:50 PM


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