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If "Thriller" is on your playlist, odds are you're a Michael Jackson fan. But how much do you really know about the King of Pop? Put your knowledge to the test with this Michael Jackson quiz.
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Question 1 of 30
Where was Michael Jackson born?
Los Angeles, California
Gary, Indiana
Michael Jackson was born in Gary, Indiana, on Aug. 29, 1958. The Jackson family later moved to California in 1968.
Detroit, Michigan
Question 2 of 30
What was the name of the first group Michael Jackson performed with?
The Commodores
Sly and the Family Stone
The Jackson 5
Michael Jackson first performed with The Jackson 5. The band was made up of Jackson family siblings and managed by Michael's father, Joe Jackson.
Question 3 of 30
How many siblings did Michael Jackson have?
Michael Jackson had eight siblings, for a total of nine Jackson children. There were six Jackson boys (Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy and Michael) and three girls (Rebbie, La Toya and Janet).
Question 4 of 30
Before managing The Jackson 5 full-time, what was Joe Jackson's profession?
Crane operator
Joe Jackson provided for his family by working as a crane operator before managing The Jackson 5 full-time. In 1989, The Jacksons — without Michael— released their seventh and final album, "2300 Jackson Street."
Question 5 of 30
How old was Michael Jackson when he joined The Jackson 5?
Michael Jackson first began performing with The Jackson 5 in 1963 when he was just 5 years old. In 1964 the group made its first public appearance at Mr. Lucky's nightclub in Gary, Indiana.
Question 6 of 30
When did Michael Jackson first perform on television?
Michael Jackson first performed on television with The Jackson 5 in September 1969 for the "Miss Black America Pageant." The group performed "It's Your Thing."
Question 7 of 30
Michael Jackson's mother's name is:
Katherine Jackson is the matriarch of the musical Jackson family. She is now the legal guardian of his children.
Question 8 of 30
What was the name of Michael Jackson's famous estate?
Jackson Ranch
Skywalker Ranch
Neverland Ranch
Neverland Ranch was the name of Michael Jackson's estate. The 2,800 acre property in Santa Barbara County, California, once boasted a zoo, a train, a movie theater and an amusement park.
Question 9 of 30
What was the name of Michael Jackson's pet chimpanzee?
Michael Jackson's pet chimpanzee was named Bubbles. At the age of 6, Bubbles outgrew his life in captivity and was relocated. Jackson later owned two other chimpanzees named A.J. and Max.
Question 10 of 30
Michael Jackson had two children.
Michael Jackson actually has three children, Michael "Prince" Jackson, Paris Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson.
Question 11 of 30
What veteran actor provided his distinctive voice and menacing laugh for the hit song "Thriller"?
Lon Chaney
Vincent Price
Actor Vincent Price was the narrator featured in the 1982 song "Thriller." The red jacket that Jackson wore in the "Thriller" short film sold for $1.8 million at auction in 2011.
Boris Karloff
Question 12 of 30
Which Michael Jackson solo album sold the most copies?
The album "Thriller" was Michael Jackson's best-selling album. With more than 65 million copies sold, "Thriller" is the best-selling album of all time.
"Off the Wall"
Question 13 of 30
Name the 1978 movie musical in which Michael Jackson co-starred with Diana Ross.
"All That Jazz"
"The Wiz"
The 1978 musical adaptation of "The Wizard of Oz" featured Michael Jackson as the Scarecrow and Diana Ross as character Dorothy Gale. Jackson won the 1979 Image Award for Outstanding Actor in a Motion Picture for his role in the film.
Question 14 of 30
What famous guitarist is featured on Michael Jackson's hit "Beat It?"
Eric Clapton
Eddie Van Halen
Eddie Van Halen from the band Van Halen, played guitar for the song "Beat It." The song won two Grammys at the 26th Annual Grammy Awards in 1983.
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Question 15 of 30
Who was the model-turned-actress that Michael Jackson took as his date to the 1984 Grammy Awards?
Brooke Shields
Actress Brooke Shields escorted Michael Jackson to the 1984 Grammy Awards. Shields later gave a eulogy at Jackson's 2009 memorial service.
Sean Young
Kathy Ireland
Question 16 of 30
What was Michael Jackson's first solo album?
"Off the Wall"
"Got to Be There"
In 1972, Michael Jackson released his first solo album, "Got to Be There." Michael was 13 when his solo career was launched with the release of the album.
Question 17 of 30
Michael Jackson was nicknamed the king of what?
While the nickname "King of Pop" may have started earlier, it was popularized by Jackson's friend actress Elizabeth Taylor. During the presentation of the 1989 Soul Train Heritage Award, she referred to Jackson as "the true King of pop, rock and soul."
Question 18 of 30
What was Michael Jackson's signature dance move called?
The Moonwalk
Michael Jackson debuted the moonwalk during a performance of "Billie Jean" for the television special "Motown 25: Yesterday, Today, Forever."
The Worm
The Electric Slide
Question 19 of 30
Superstar Michael Jackson wore the famous white sequined glove only on his right hand.
While the pop star wore only one glove at a time, he had them made in pairs and would alternate between right and left. Each glove was covered in 1,200 Austrian crystals and took 10 days to complete by hand.
Question 20 of 30
What was Michael Jackson's middle name?
The King of Pop was named Michael Joseph Jackson. Michael's boyhood home address was 2300 Jackson St. in Gary, Indiana.
Question 21 of 30
Who did Michael Jackson marry in August 1994?
Debbie Rowe
Lisa Marie Presley
Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of music legend Elvis Presley, married Michael Jackson in August 1994. The couple had no children and divorced amicably in 1996.
Brooke Shields
Question 22 of 30
Which former member of the Beatles did Michael Jackson sing a duet with?
Paul McCartney
In 1982, Michael Jackson and Sir Paul McCartney recorded the duet "The Girl is Mine" for Jackson's "Thriller" album. In 1985, Jackson bought the rights to 251 Beatles songs.
John Lennon
George Harrison
Question 23 of 30
What was the cause of Michael Jackson's serious injury while filming a 1984 Pepsi commercial?
Michael Jackson received burns to his scalp when fireworks caused his hair to ignite. Jackson was performing "Billie Jean" for an audience of 3,000 fans during the filming of a Pepsi commercial in 1984 when the accident happened.
A fall
Heat exhaustion
Question 24 of 30
What is the title of the charitable anthem Michael Jackson co-wrote with Lionel Richie?
"Do They Know It's Christmas"
"We Are the World"
Lionel Richie and Michael Jackson co-wrote the 1985 all-star charity song "We Are the World." Dozens of the biggest names in music came together to record it on the night of Jan. 28, 1985.
"That's What Friends are For"
Question 25 of 30
Who was the founder of Motown Records that first signed The Jackson 5?
Quincy Jones
Berry Gordy
Motown founder Berry Gordy signed The Jackson 5 to his label in 1969. Michael and his brothers moved to California and initially lived with both Gordy and Diana Ross.
Phil Spector
Question 26 of 30
The album "Thriller" was at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart for how many weeks?
29 weeks
31 weeks
37 weeks
Michael Jackson's hit album was No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart for 37 weeks. It continues to hold the record for most weeks at No. 1.
Question 27 of 30
What was the title of the last album Michael Jackson released?
The album "Invincible" was released in October 2001 and was Michael's last album to be released before his death in 2009. The album featured guest artists Missy Elliott, Will Smith and Carlos Santana.
Question 28 of 30
What year was Michael Jackson's Super Bowl XXVII halftime performance?
Michael Jackson performed for the halftime show during Super Bowl XXVII in 1993. At the time, the performance drew the largest viewing audience in the history of American television.
Question 29 of 30
Michael Jackson wrote the 1972 song "Ben" about his pet rat.
The ballad "Ben" from Michael Jackson's solo album of the same name, was written about his pet rat. The song went on to become Jackson's first No. 1 single.
Question 30 of 30
How many Grammys did Michael Jackson win at the 26th Annual Grammy Awards in 1984?
Michael Jackson became the first person to win eight Grammys in one night at the 1984 Grammy Awards show. Jackson won a total of 11 Grammys in the 1980s.


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HOUSTON, TEXAS/ PRICE, UTAH-Valerie Lynn Bruno was born June 5, 1958 to Pete and Doris Bruno. A beloved daughter, sister, niece, aunt, cousin, and friend,
Valerie had a unique love for life, which she shared by serving others. She delighted in knitting handmade toys, afghans, and clothing for her dear family members, and she sported a playful personality that made her every child's best friend.
Valerie's service also extended to reading to children with disabilities and contributing her talents to the Humanitarian Center and Newborns in Need. Her open arms and selfless attitude made each person in her life feel special and loved.
Valerie graduated from the University of Utah in drama. For more than 20 years, she has been a dedicated employee for the Williams Company, a home to many valued friends and co-workers whom the family thanks for offering great support in Valerie's life and in her passing.
Valerie had a strong belief in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and had a testimony in the Savior. Her faith offers peace at her passing on June 9, 2008 from a sudden illness, which allowed her to offer more service in being a donor to others.
She was preceded in death by her mother, Doris Bruno, and her sister Doris Marx.
Valerie is survived by her father, Pete Bruno; Dale Marx; Shirlie (Greg) VanWagoner; Marilyn (Dean) Harmon; Joan (Darrell) Keller; Doug Bruno; and many loved nieces and nephews.
Her family would like to thank those that brought joy to her life and Pioneer Hospital for their attentive care. Thank you also to the Price LDS First ward for their help at this time.
Funeral services were held on Saturday, June 14, 2008 at 11 a.m. at the Price, Utah LDS Stake Center (150 South 500 East.) Viewing was Friday, June 13, 2008 from 6-8 p.m. at Fausett Mortuary (680 East 100 South - Price, Utah) and from 10-10:45 a.m. prior to the service at the Stake Center. Interment was in the Price City Cemetery.
Services were under the care of Fausett Mortuary.

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By COREY BLUEMELStaff Writer
A special meeting of the Municipal Building Authority of Emery County was called to review changes and discuss the contract with Architectural Coalition PLLC. This firm is doing the architectural and design work for the remodel project at Emery County Care and Rehab in Ferron. Guilford Rand was on hand representing the company.
Emery County Commissioner Gary Kofford requested some clarifications in the contract the county has been asked to sign for this project. "This contract states you will do the design work for reclaiming three patient rooms," said Kofford. "We want to include all the rooms in the facility which need to be remodeled and upgraded."
Rand noted the changes and informed the MBA that work is continuing and every room in the care facility is being evaluated and drawn for the upgrades. "We will address each room and its needs on an individual basis. The three mentioned in the contract are not the only rooms which will be upgraded. We will evaluate each one."
Commissioner Kofford recommended the MBA accept the contract with the noted changes. The MBA approved to accept the contract for this project.
Rand presented the MBA with a copy of the entire project. "We have made several changes recently after meeting with Colleen Chauvet, the manager at the facility. We have also met with and discussed the project with the staff members who are currently working there," said Rand. He explained each change and displayed the plans for the kitchen, offices, laundry room, solarium and storage rooms, along with the equipment and roof plans.
Commissioner Laurie Pitchforth thanked Rand and expressed her appreciation for including the staff in the decisions.
Rand will be in attendance at the next regularly scheduled meeting of the MBA which will be April 14 at 2 p.m. He will bring the most recent and most complete drawings of the project.


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Why you are going to love my class
My classes are practical and pertinent to what you will be doing. I will know you by name and call on you so I understand what you know. I hand out objectives and make sure you understand and study the main points for the best test results.
It's also helpful that I practice each week at Oakwood Hospital in Dearborn. This gives me the chance to work with UDM students in the operating room and it gives you the chance to see that you're learning from someone who is current and capable in the field.
Great things for you at UDM
We are here for you and have your best interests at heart. Our faculty has a lot of experience and we take teaching very seriously. We have small classes and provide individual attention; we know you by name and treat you as adults. We have high standards and enforce them, but we focus on making you successful in your studies.
Great things in store after UDM
You will have wonderful career opportunities following graduation and your certification exam. All of our 2009 graduates had jobs within 30 days of graduation. But I hope you also have a sense of humility about what you do, so that every day, with every patient you encounter, you don't take anything for granted.
My favorite part about teaching you
Your intellect, drive and curiosity. Plus, your sense of mission and values sets you apart.
I may change your mind
Working with people is not like working with machines or equations. I hope you gain the mental flexibility to see that there is more than one way to do things, and that we are most successful when we adapt our nurse anesthetist care to the individual's needs.
Our program is unique
A sense of mission infuses our work. Our students work in 21 community locations and volunteer eight hours in community settings. And every year, several students join a medical mission to provide medical treatment to patients in third-world countries.
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Backstage at Prada Men's Fall 2014
WWD went behind the scenes at the fall show.
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It was one of the most commercial and appealing collections yet from a designer who simply can't sit still.
Marc Jacobs' feisty, fun fall collection was inspired by early hip-hop here with a soupcon of Seventies sportif.
WWD is moving ahead on the digital front with the expansion of the Digital Daily product.


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Skip to comments.New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar
Posted on 12/29/2012 9:43:12 AM PST by Libloather
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And I can assume this paper will also publish those who practiced freedom of speech and freedom of religion next?
Do they want to get put out of business? I haven't read one account of people supporting them in this.
a question that needs to be asked of city officials would be "how do I make my records private?"
Don't get me wrong. this stuff has to stop. But I think pressuring the government who is turning this info over is where the fix will be.
It is the main reason I do not purchase fire arms that need permits or reporting.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone took it upon themselves to start retaliating in a more physical and less virtual way.
Soon they'll have our Healthcare information. :D
I was thinking the same thing, theft will be easier at residences not listed....good going liberals
When I grew up in Rockland, the Journal-News was a liberal-leaning but halfway decent paper. This rag went down the crapper ever since Gannet took them over. Does this constitute invasion of privacy? Reckless endangerment? Could the Landmark Legal Foundation or the ACLJ help out?
Maybe a regular column featuring food stamp recipients would be fair.
Let them destroy each other.
It's called Playing with the Tiger's Tail.
They are so absorbed in their self-righteous indignance of someone else owning a gun, that they don't even realize there could be a real nutjob out there that won't stop with finding out email addresses, phone numbers, even home addresses.
It just isn't something a sane person, moreso a parent, would do unless they were consumed with hate and self-righteousness of the left, oblivious to common sense.
Actually, some very good unintended consequences will come of this.
Having said that, the Journal News in poking a stick at the bear in hibernation.
There is an old saying, "some days you get the bear, some days the bear will get you."
Isn't Obamaland great?
Now why don't you shut your racist, ignorant faces and go pay your taxes. Your government is broke. :)
With the data warehousing and data mining capabilities of Google, Facebook and the NSA, just think of the lists and keyword associations that are possible for...OFA subscribers, DNC email lists, or...each of our health records.
It would be useful to post the name and address of every armed security person employed by all the elites who want to disarm the law-abiding citizens.
Our forefathers would have burned the records.
"I havent read one account of people supporting them in this."
Where are they getting their money and 'orders' from? What is their connection to OFA and the DNC/Soros?
Target their advertisers and subscribers . . . Flood their "comments" sections on their websites. Add the name and address and phone number of each "journOlist" that writes the article.
I'd print the email addresses of the journalists involved right here in this post.
But the Free Republic moderators would just pull it down.
Soon to Come Newspaper lists per address:
1) Income levels and net worth
2) Religious preference
3) Voting Record
4) "greenhouse Gas Output"
5) Negative statements made about Obama on the internet
6) Household Ethnicity( is Your Household Diverse enough)
7) Campaign Contributions to GOP/Independent
8) Private Library lists—You have a Bible but not a Koran?? Shame!
9) Cable TV Channel Preference—Are You Watching Fox News more than the Logo Channel?!
Our forefathers would have burned the records.
Did our forefathers require records?
Let them keep digging their own grave(s)... If this is what they want, they will suffer the consequences.
Now, you have to burn the records and the HDD and the back ups and the off site backups....
Liberals always double down on stupid.
Nice going, Journal News. You're making the case for a national gun registry nearly impossible to make.
Well said ;)
But, they (libs) are so far gone from reality, that it will be the death of them.. maybe literally...
Author of the original article:
Let them destroy each other.
They can't even tell the truth in their own headlines. The article doesn't tell you a damned thing about the weapons, it just tells you who has a permit.
I'm glad they're doing this. I know gun owners that vote Democrat. They don't fear registration, as they are CONVINCED that government will NEVER take their guns.
Crap like this needs to publicized, BIG TIME. This is just one step short of taking away weapons - people need to know what happens when databases are compiled.
luckily, nobody really reads newspapers anymore.
Target their advertisers and subscribers . . . Flood their comments sections on their websites. Add the name and address and phone number of each journOlist that writes the article.
Time for a blogger to give the phone numbers and e-mail adresses of all the papers employees. What they do in their spare time. Where they shop, park their cars, etc.
Right now I would settle for one of Hussein's super-secret golf scores.
...Unpaid taxes, mortgage defaults, bankruptcies, prior arrests.
Pictures of their houses. Car license numbers. Gossip on who's screwing who. Lots of ways to play their games.
Let's start aggressively and loudly lobbying that permits be required to exercise First Amendment rights, with the same requirements as that state demands for firearm ownership and carry.
In New Jersey you'd have to "prove a need" to speak or worship freely...
Hey, the number still works and they still answer.
Wake me up when they start publishing addresses of illegal gun owners. Not to mention weapons that aren't guns. I have an extensive collection of knives, some of which may be illegal, who knows? Come on over to my place.
Yes. How do I go about getting my address listed.
It's on the world-wide-web...
This may sound sick, but I wouldn't be surprised if this newspaper staff are purposely provoking some sort of physical incident, just to say, "See? They are all nuts!! Now can we ban gun ownership?".
I have a sign as you approach my front and back door that reads:
"The owner of this property is armed. There is nothing inside worth risking your life for."
All my neighbors like the sign and I have no solicitors.
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That's amore: Americans spend a staggering $39.8 billion on fresh and frozen pizza each year. How does a store-bought frozen pie, popped in the oven or microwaved at home, stack up in terms of taste and texture? To find out, the culinary experts at the Good Housekeeping Research Institute conducted a taste test of 14 national brands of frozen vegetable and pepperoni pizzas — six veggie and eight pepperoni varieties. Check out our reviews of the good and not so good before taking a bite. They're available at grocery stores nationwide, unless noted.
Vegetable Pizzas
365 Mediterranean Pizza ($5, 13.5 oz. serves 3; Whole Foods)
Our winner, this pizza "loaded" with feta cheese, spinach, and kalamata olives earned raves from tasters about the "perfect balance of sauce and toppings" and "great veggie combo."
Per serving: 300 calories; 12g, fat; 12g, 5g saturated fat
American Flatbread Sundried Tomato and Mushroom Pizza ($12, 16.2 oz. serves 3)
With a light, crunchy crust and a good blend of spices, this pizza was a close call for second place.
Per serving: 340 calories; 12g fat; 6g saturated fat
Amy's Spinach Pizza ($7, 14 oz. serves 3)
This pizza has fresh, garden flavor from the spinach and basil but lacked enough cheese to please our tasters.
Per serving: 310 calories; 12g fat; 4g saturated fat
DiGiorno Crispy Flatbread Pizza Mushroom Medley ($6.89, 13 oz. serves 3)
A cracker-thin crust with great, fresh mushroom taste — this one was a winner to mushroom lovers.
Per serving: 320 calories; 19g fat; 7g saturated fat
Kashi Mediterranean Pizza ($6.29, 12.7 oz. serves 3)
Tasters loved the generous topping of peppers, onions, and spinach but found the crust bland. But for those watching what they eat, this one has less fat than the other veggies selections.
Per serving: 290 calories; 9g fat; 3.5g saturated fat
Frontera Roasted Vegetable Monterey Jack and Poblano Pizza ($7, 12.5 oz. serves 3)
This one is spicy and has a crisp crust, but not having enough veggies caused it to rank last in our tests.
Per serving: 240 calories; 9g fat; 3.5g saturated fat
Pepperoni Pizzas
Freschetta Brick Oven Pepperoni Pizza ($6.80, 21.75 oz. serves 4)
Testers "could really taste the different cheeses" — mozzarella and Fontina — in this delicious pizza. "Rich tomatoey flavor" in the sauce enhanced the "pizzeria taste" of this pie, which tied for first place with our next entry.
Per serving: 410 calories; 20g fat; 8g saturated fat
Red Baron Fire Baked Pepperoni Pizza ($5.60, 19.86 oz. serves 4)
This "spicy," "smoky," and "peppery" pie wowed our panel. With its "puffy crust," a "crisp bottom," and "plenty of cheese," what's not to love?
Per serving: 370 calories; 17g fat; 7g saturated fat
Stouffer's Pepperoni French Bread Pizza ($3.30, 11.25 oz. serves 2)
Tasters didn't prefer the bread-y crust or the extremely herbal sauce, but it had the familiarity of a childhood snack.
Per serving: 420 calories; 20g fat; 7g saturated fat
365 Everyday Value Uncured Pepperoni Pizza ($5, 13.9 oz serves 3; Whole Foods)
The good, thick crust had toppings too salty and greasy for our testers.
Per serving: 370 calories; 20g fat; 9g saturated fat
Weight Watchers Smart Ones Artisan Creations Stone-Fired Pepperoni Pizza ($3.30, 6.11 oz serves 1)
This pizza had tons of oregano flavor but overall was too soft and gummy for everyone. It may have had a disadvantage because the instructions require microwave cooking, while others can be baked in the oven. It might be fine, however, for those watching their fat intake.
Per serving: 390 calories; 8g fat; 3g saturated fat
Healthy Choice Pepperoni French Bread Pizza ($1.90 - $2.40, 6 oz. serves 1)
Another microwave sample. The French bread provided a very doughy crust, but no one was wowed by the flavor. However, for those on a diet, it might be worth considering.
Per serving: 350 calories; 4.5g fat; 1.5g saturated fat
South Beach Living Pepperoni Pizza ($3.50, 6.3 oz. serves 1)
Bland cheese and pepperoni atop mushy crust did not bode well for this low-carb microwave contender.
Per serving: 350 calories; 12g fat; 4.5g saturated fat
Originally published on August 4, 2009
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Slept well. Today I've done some laundry and cleaning. I'm about to address some cards and then meet an old friend for lunch!
I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas
good day.
When it seems the magic slipped away...
We find it all again on Christmas Day.
*Seeing isn't believing.Believing is seeing.*
I had a good day yesterday went to college got part of my qualification achieved and had fun with my mates at Pool last night, slept alright an all :-)
I slept just fine.
Merry Snowy Christmas
Love & Peace to the World
I slept about 12 hours....
And so, as Tiny Tim observed, "God Bless us!! Everyone!!''
A Christmas Carol - Charles Dickens (1843)
A good sleep and a busy day so far..
Merry Christmas to all...
Sleep okay. Need to run a few arrands.
I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas


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The United Nations on October 2 released an updated version of its Practical Manual on Transfer Pricing for Developing Countries. On October 15, the UN Committee of Experts on International Cooperation in Tax Matters (the Subcommittee) approved the current unedited version of the UN Transfer Pricing Manual and approved a one-month period for receiving nonsubstantive comments.
As the Manual recognizes, implementation of additional transfer pricing regimes could lead to increasing documentation and regulatory burdens for taxpayers. While the Manual may foresee continued complexity and regulatory requirements in the transfer pricing arena, the continued acceptance of the arm's-length standard and the resultant avoidance of double taxation should be somewhat reassuring to taxpayers.
The latest version of the Manual includes six updated chapters; two new chapters regarding establishing government transfer pricing programs in developing countries and initiating transfer pricing audits; and four short, single-country perspectives that explain the transfer pricing practices of Brazil, China, India, and South Africa.


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President Obama praises Pope Benedict XVI
President Obama praised Pope Benedict XVI on Monday, just hours after the pontiff announced his resignation.
"On behalf of Americans everywhere, Michelle and I wish to extend our appreciation and prayers to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI," Obama said in a written statement.
The president said he "warmly" remembers the meeting he and the first lady had with Pope Benedict in 2009, "and I have appreciated our work together over these last four years."
During that 2009 meeting at the Vatican, Benedict referenced a disagreement over abortion rights, which the Catholic Church opposes and Obama supports.
The president "told the pope of his commitment to reduce the number of abortions and of his attention and respect for the positions of the Catholic Church," Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told reporters after he was briefed by the pope.
In his statement, Obama said, "The Church plays a critical role in the United States and the world, and I wish the best to those who will soon gather to choose His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI's successor."
The pope said his resignation becomes effective Feb. 28; the College of Cardinals is expected to name a successor in March.


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Heh, even I was expecting more talk than we got. I guess we have Kabuto to thank for not making that happen lol. But, I am not at all disappointed about it. Itachi's reaction was a lot more controlled than I expected it to bee too after hearing what became of Sasuke. And also, now we know without a doubt that Itachi did exactly what Madara described to Sasuke after his fight with Itachi. Anyway, as usual, fights that involve Itachi are always great, and this time, he doesn't have the luxury of holding back like he seems to do all the time. And then there's Nagato with all the powers of the 6 Paths in one person. So Naruto and Bee will be in for fight. They oughta be lucky Kabuto didn't completely kill there emotions yet.
So, the crow wasn't just for Sasuke's sake, it was something to activate in case of an MS jutsu. Now I'll have to go back to the "Itachi's Gift" thread to see what I wrote all those months ago. I'm definitely looking forward to the next chapter.


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By Lena Mitchell/NEMS Daily Journal
CORINTH – In its third meeting as a newly appointed board of directors, the Corinth Area Convention and Visitors Bureau on Tuesday ratified some changes it believes will strengthen other local organizations while allowing them to promote tourism.
The board will meet again within a week for a vote on several funding requests.
A request approved Tuesday gives $5,000 to the Battle of Farmington re-enactment for its Oct. 10-13 event.
While the board has been in transition, several organizations which have received funding in the past had not submitted their requests at least seven days in advance, and board members voted to use the time to review the requests before taking a vote.
Among the events for which funding is pending is a request of $3,500 for the Crossroads Festival and Chili Cookoff, set for April 6, presented by organizer Steve Knight.
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Skip to comments.Police: Sen. Crapo registered blood alcohol content of .110
Posted on 12/24/2012 5:58:59 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
Police in Alexandria, Va., said Sunday that the Idaho Republican was pulled over after his vehicle ran a red light. Police spokesman Jody Donaldson said Crapo failed field sobriety tests and was arrested at about 12:45 a.m. He was transported to the Alexandria jail and released on an unsecured $1,000 bond at about 5 a.m....
Police said Crapo, who was alone in his vehicle, registered a blood alcohol content of .110. The legal limit in Virginia, which has strict drunken driving laws, is .08.
(Excerpt) Read more at m.idahopress.com ...
The Crapo is in the toilet now.
Meanwhile, Crapo will be hounded for months or years over this incident.
Meanwhile, Crapo will be hounded for months or years over this incident.
Meanwhile, Crapo will be hounded for months or years over this incident.
I don't get it. I never will. Don't these guys have aides who chauffer the around town?
Ain't it true, he's an absolute fool to be caught DUI.
That reminds me. I should go make some toast....
Yes he will be. And you'll be hounded for triple posting:)
Wasn't some Kennedy clan driving drunk but escorted by DC Capitol police to 'safety', and whole thing hushed hushed.
The guy disappeared for a couple week, and everything peachy?
He'll wind up resigning, whereas any democrat will be allowed to stay and enhance his resume.
" a blood alcohol content of .110. The legal limit in Virginia, which has strict drunken driving laws, is .08."
,08 is the limit. He was .11, .03 over the limit. Why the extra "0?" .110? Why not make it look even worse, and print "a blood alcohol limit of .1100000?"
It could be said that, Crapo is circling the bowl.
He should have said he was driving to a vote, like patches kennedy.
At .110 BAC he's a piker compared to Chappaquiddick Ted who went through his entire adult life above .300 BAC
"Police: Sen. Crapo registered blood alcohol content of .110"
If he were a Democrat the DNC would run him for President.
Just read this.
First lesson Crapo blew. When they take your mug shot, smile like it's your Christmas picture, like "the hammer" did (Tom *** can't remember his last name right now, he was from Texas).
That way, the other side can't use it.
HHC's husband
That was Patrick Kennedy. He crashed into a Jersey wall in DC at 2 AM, and told police that he was on his way to the Capitol for an important vote. He was not charged, no blood test, and was driven home by the police. At least there wasn't a dead blonde in his car. Also, remember the reporter who ambushed George Bush about a 25 year old DUI 4 days before the election?
Crapo had told The Associated Press in past interviews that he abstains from drinking alcohol.
Crapo, who was elected in 1998 and is in his third Senate term, is expected to take over the top Republican spot next year on the Senate Banking Committee. He also serves on the Senate's budget and finance panels and has been active on environmental and health issues.
I know this won't come off sounding quite right....but what an easy thing to 'create.'
I mean with the way the world is today about so many things that are 'bad' for you from smoking to yes...even drinking and driving.
What is to stop a unionized government employee from faking the results of the field sobriety test? Democrats know that conservatives can't stand having these kinds of irresponsible "drunks, womanizers, etc." within the ranks. Republicans must be held as 'holier than thou' types, right?
He held himself up as a "holier than thou" type.
That's the problem.
HHC's husband
"a blood alcohol limit of .1100000?"
I meant to say;
"print that he had a blood level CONTENT of .1100000."
Need coffee!
I know Kennedy was a drunk and was people covered for him for years, but Kennedy's piss poor behavior is not an excuse for another senator to act like an ass.
My wife and kids drive. If you're drunk, don't drive and put my family at risk.
Shocking I tell you! Just Shocking!
I quit drinking and solved the problem for good.
Poor dude couldn't stop for a cup of coffee; against the WOW.
Don't worry. Most people don't understand decimals. They don't know if there is a difference between .11 and .110 or .1100.
I've seen people in graduate school who can't tell you which is larger, .170 or .71. Many of them explain their answers this way: "Everything works backwards to the right of the decimal."
I am going to give him a small credit for two things:
One, he did not refuse the sobriety tests
Two, he didn't claim that he could not be arrested because he was on his was to Congress.
Wasn't that the Larry Craig seat? Do devils lurk there or what?
How do you fail a field sobriety test at .110? They must have told him to recite the Greek alphabet backward.
He's still burning off the alchohol in hell.
.11 is pretty lame - a democRAT could do much better.
GREAT flowchart!!! Merry, Happy to you and yours.
I think the Devil made sure Ted Kennedy got down there because they figured he could extend the thermal energy resources of Hell in four ways:
1.) Hot gas from the mouth
2.) Methane from the rear
3.) Alcohol in the blood
4.) Blubber for rendering
They make you take a breath test during the field tests these days. So you can do okay on the physical tests and fail the breath test.
Thanks, NonValueAdded...and best to you and yours! (Flowchart is so true, isn't it?)
Burning it off, hell. Satan's using Ted as a fuel source.
Damn. You beat me to it :)
A device that reads .11 is precise to the hundredths place. A device that reads .110 is precise to the thousandths place. So a device that reads .110 is, in theory, a better device than one that reads just .11.
I know he is a conservative, but I have never heard of one thing with which he has been associated. Now I have: DUI. This may mean that ID will punish innocent Repubicans and turn that seat Democrat. For years, Frank Church was their senator. And ID is surrounded by Democrat senators, excpet for WY and UT.
You are so right; if there is anything that the American people know less about that politics, it's decimals AND fractions! Most could never do eighth grade math; even Obama confesses to that failure.
Teddy's free pass expired.I wonder what he's doing now....
"So a device that reads .110 is, in theory, a better device than one that reads just .11."
True, however,,,,,, .11 and .110 are the same. But, to the math challenged brain, "Why! .110 is much worse than .08 or .11. He was really, really loaded!" I'm talking about appearances, not the accuracy of different devices. At the water plant, our sensors read the line pressure to 6 decimal places! Way overkill!
If the day ever comes we ever comes we are so uppity as to throw a good man under the bus for this kind of action then the good Lord help us. Taking all things into consideration, I say let him who is without traffic tickets throw the first stone. There is a big difference between what Crapo did and getting stone drunk and stealing a truck, for instance.
President Ulysses (or as our southern FRiends might say Useless) S. Grant was known for being a somewhat heavy drinker and got in trouble during his presidency for speeding his buggy through DC. It takes more than goody two shoes to win wars, the Republicans should keep that in mind.
Thats 3 glasses of egg nog, 3 beers or 3 shots of liquor.
Hardly loaded, but indeed Driving under the influence.
I know people who would blow this when they get out of bed in the morning.
"I know he is a conservative, but I have never heard of one thing with which he has been associated. Now I have: DUI. This may mean that ID will punish innocent Repubicans and turn that seat Democrat."
I doubt Idaho will elect a Democrat, but this guy may want to resign rather than running again. He has time to see how the wind is blowing, since he's not up for re-election until 2016.
However (and I'm very surprised no one has commented on this), he's a Mormon and had previously said he doesn't drink. No one likes hypocrisy or liars, and 25% of Idahoans are Mormon...
I think a lot hinges on how he conducts himself between now and re-election.
(On a different note, I recall the days when .15 was the legal limit and he wouldn't even have been considered drunk...)
You know how it is around here...:)
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One study says gay weddings could boost Minnesota's coffers by $42M over three years.
With an eye on boosting tourism, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak visited a predominantly gay Chicago neighborhood Thursday to urge same-sex couples to tie the knot in Minnesota under his state's new gay-marriage law.
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In August, Minnesota became the 12th state to legalize same-sex marriage.
Rybak took his message to the Center on Halsted, a community center in Lakeview, Chicago's most high-profile gay neighborhood.
Rybak is hoping to tap into frustration among gay couples in Illinois over the Legislature's failure by a few votes to pass its own gay marriage law in the spring.
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Asked at a press conference whether it was fair to try to persuade residents of another city to leave to get married, Rybak referred to Chicago's famous competitive mayor in joking: "Have you met Mayor (Rahm) Emanuel? He would do this to me every day of the week."
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Emanuel clearly recognizes the financial stakes at risk if gay couples head out of state.
"Failing to extend marriage to gay and lesbian couples is bad for Chicago, bad for Illinois and bad for our local economy and the jobs it creates," he said in a statement. "Our robust tourism and hospitality industries will thrive most fully when our state hangs out the 'welcome' sign for everybody."
The Illinois Legislature may revisit the issue this fall.
A study by the Williams Institute, a think tank at the University of California School of Law, predicts a $42 million boost to Minnesota's economy in the first three years of the new law, including $28 million in new wedding spending and $14 million through tourism from out-of-town guests.
The Williams Institute, which does research on sexual orientation and gender identity, estimates that if Illinois legalized same-sex marriage, it could bring in as much as $103 million in wedding and tourism over three years.
The institute also finds that in the three states that track such statistics, 60% of same-sex couples are traveling out of their home states to get married.
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It's already some problem for some time, whenever I try updating a post with new links I can't add anything with the direct download label.
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Ron, I am not 100% sure but I believe the photo you posted on memorial page #9113703 is a photo of Gen Curtis LeMay #9654 and not Gen Charles Sweeney. The same photo appears on both memorial pages. Just thought you might want to check it out. Fran
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Read you excellent bio on Ray Charles memorial.
One fact missing was that he received his basic education at the Florida School for the Deaf and Bland in St Augustine. My Daddy, after he retired from the army, worked at the school in the 1960's. It was in the time period that "Hit the Road, Jack" was in the top 10 on the radio. For his accomplishments, Charles was a hero to many blind students... and still so today.
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Noticed you added Actor Gilbert Roland, His Career last over 6 decades,,,, But your bio for him is just a couple of lines,,, Luis Antonio Damaso de Alonso, later known as Gilbert Roland, was born in 1905 in Mexico. Following his parents to the USA, he did not become the bullfighter he had dreamed of being but became an actor instead. His Mexican roots, his half macho half romantic ways, his handsome virile figure helped him land roles in movies from the early twenties to 1982. A long and varied career in which Roland was in turns an extra, a matin�e idol (Armand Duval in Camille (1926)), a Latin Lover, a star of English-speaking films made in Hollywood in the early 1930s, a Mexican bandit in B-Movies, The Cisco Kid in a series of six popular Westerns, a brilliant character in major A movies (John Huston's We Were Strangers (1949), Vincente Minnelli's The Bad and the Beautiful (1952); Anthony Mann's Thunder Bay (1953), John Ford's Cheyenne Autumn (1964)), a sinister character in Spaghetti Westerns... When he retired in 1982, twelve years before he died, he could be satisfied. His career had spanned six decades, the coming of sound had not ended it, he had played in all kinds of movies, he had held the most beautiful women in his arms, and maybe the most important thing, he had been given the opportunity to show his acting talents. Not every actor can boast such a life achievement.
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Will the Edmonton Oilers select dynamic Sarnia Sting forward Nail Yakupov with the first pick in at the NHL Entry Draft in June or will they lean toward addressing organizational need by opting for Everett Silvertips defenseman Ryan Murray, ranked No. 2 by Central Scouting?
If Edmonton's chief scout Stu MacGregor has an answer to that question, he declined to pass it on to me today – I've been asking for a peek at the player ranking list he and his staff of amateur scouts compile annually for about a decade now without any success – as he prepares to attend the NHL combine, which starts in Toronto May 28.
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With the Oilers already stocked at forward with Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, others are singing the praises of Murray, seen by many as a sure bet for the next 15 years as a top-pairing NHL blueliner. Mike Morreale of NHL.com writes about Murray here.
So, BPA or organizational need? While MacGregor wouldn't reveal which way he and his staff are leaning as they prepare to interview Yakupov, Murray and 81 other prospects in Hogtown, he did offer his evaluation of both when I caught up with him today.
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Really? A group of guys? Yakupov, Murray and . . . Alex Galchenyuk . . . Morgan Rielly . . . Griffin Reinhart? Or is it just that you won't tell me?
"That's right," MacGregor said. "But I think (GM) Steve Tambellini was pretty clear that, you know, maybe we do have to make an organizational decision . . ."
So, with ambiguity duly delivered, I'm not going to put words in MacGregor's mouth. Instead, here's what he said about Yakupov and Murray:
"He's one of those electrifying offensive players," MacGregor said. "He's got skill. He's got the intensity to try to be an offensive factor each shift. I think he needs to get stronger and fill out physically to be able to do that at the NHL level, but he's got the potential to be a high-end offensive player."
I asked MacGregor if comparisons to former Soviet star Valeri Kharlamov – an old-school parallel that's repeatedly been drawn by Bob Stauffer of 630 CHED – are warranted. Kharlamov was killed in a car accident in 1981 at age 33. Kharlamov is nothing more than a YouTube clip for fans under 40, but he was special.
"It's big thing to put on a kid, but he's like Kharlamov in lots of ways," said MacGregor. "That's going way, way back and I don't know if people even remember him . . . how fast he was, how darting he was, how he always seemed to get the puck in the key areas. That probably is a very good comparison."
"Ryan Murray is a very good young player and a good person," MacGregor said. "He's a great skater. He's mobile, quick, fast and positionally, he's very sound. He's a solid defender and a very good transitional puck-mover.
"He's smart off the offensive blue line. He's a solid package as a player. What he's showing with the men (at the World Championships) is he can think with them and play with them. I'm sure he's a first-pairing guy, yes.
"I think he has enough offense. He missed three months with his injury and he played one game before the World Junior camp. I think he'll be a player who can play a lot of minutes, play in key situations offensively and defensively and play a long time."
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who would you rather have - Valerie Kharmolov or Scott Neidermayer.
tough one.
May 14 2012, 12:36PM
I just can't leave this alone. TAKE THE CANADIAN. Or trade the pick to fill numerous holes immediately. Or, I guess, take the BPA. In any event, we can't lose, unless Yak balloons to 250lbs ala Krutov, hits the sauce like Khabi, or divides the dressing room like Ovechkin.
Take the best player available, always.Then have a competent GM make hockey trades using duplicate players to fill your needs.
Is Tambo that GM?
This is going to be very easy.......simply ask Lowe and Tamby who they would draft, and then do the opposite.
In Stu we trust!
I'd take Valerie. Defense is vital but natural goal scoring ability is rate.
I wouldnt be surprised if they took Murray, although I still feel Yakupov may be picked then kept in the system for a year to season him further while they continue to evaluate/give opportunities to Magnus and some of the other guys
I just can't leave this alone. TAKE THE CANADIAN. Or trade the pick to fill numerous holes immediately. Or, I guess, take the BPA. In any event, we can't lose, unless Yak balloons to 250lbs ala Krutov, hits the sauce like Khabi, or divides the dressing room like Ovechkin.
What's Canadian got to do with anything? How about Sean Avery. He was a Canadian, so was Donair Penner, Marc Pouliot, and Chris Pronger. Give reasons for taking the player you like the best, but take the nationality out of it, it's not helpful.
If they are just about even , i would expect they will take Murray because he is N.American , and also needed for many defensive holes we need filling . Seems like obvious choice now ,seeing how well he is handling World's . Yakupov is slipping because Murray's stock is rising at the World's .
Yakupov, Murray and Alex Galchenyuk all have merit in the top three. A big centre who may be undervalued due to the injury he sustained, a Speedy winger with amazing skill, or a franchise defenseman.
You have to love choices like that!
May 14 2012, 01:42PM
People need to remember that Victor Hedman was more highly touted than Murray is currently. It was a toss up who the Islanders were going to take. THey chose right with Tavares. Not that Hedman is doing poorly but here we are 4 years later and he's certainly not dominating the league.
Drafting Murray may pay off in 2017 but they are still going to have to get a number one D man in the mean time.
Alex Galchenyuk is going to be the Jeff Skinner of the draft. He will be the star.
Take Kharmolov. Consensus first overall pick. Then keep him away from Bobby Clark a.k.a. Mike Richards.
A lot of flippin and floppin going on here. I always said go for the BPA..its an asset of great value.. either to play or trade.It would appear Murray could step in and play front line right away and might be an easier choice, now that he is looking like a second pick over all. If OIlers are thinking about moving Hemsky, then they have to take Yakapov to fill the right side, and chase defense men outside of Murray, who then would likely go second to CBJ.Flipping with CBJ, the only player you'd want back is Johnson,and if you have Murray at 2 nd pick why would you need Johnson.So the CBJ flip is out of the question.My guess at this point it will be Murray.
who would you rather have - Valerie Kharmolov or Scott Neidermayer.
tough one.
I wouldn't be so quick to make the parallel between Murray and Scott Niedermayer.
As a young 17 year old during his draft year (didn't turn 18 until 2 months after he was drafted), Niedermayer put up 82 points in 57 games.
As an old 17 year old (in fact, he turned 18 before the regular season even began), Murray, put up 31 points in 46 games, admittedly on a much weaker team than the powerhouse Kamloops Blazers that Niedermayer was on.
Even so, I just don't see the high end offensive pedigree to warrant Murray being the 1st overall pick. Top 5, for sure. Even top 3 could be argued for...but 1st?
In my opinion that would be a mistake.
Draft the BPA.
If your team has four 30 goal scorers all under the age of 20, one of them will buy you a pretty gosh darn good NHL ready defencemen.
May 14 2012, 01:53PM
Since this is our last year drafting this high....get ready....Take Both!
as tough as it will be for Tambi to get this done, he's got some time. Trade some players, and get that Columbus pick.
Moving forward with Justin Schultz as well, we have a lot of the pieces...
May 14 2012, 02:02PM
The 3 first/second yr NHL'ers were the best players the last two yrs. With the veterans nowhere to be found, this summers draft is another opportunity to sell the farm and grab 2 of these kids.
With the Oilers doing nothing additional on their own, the finish line isn't even in sight yet. 3 holes filled, still 3 more holes to go (a top 2 blueliner, a center, and a left winger)
At Steves one boobie prize per yr pace, this could go on for evaaaa.
A lot of flippin and floppin going on here. I always said go for the BPA..its an asset of great value.. either to play or trade.It would appear Murray could step in and play front line right away and might be an easier choice, now that he is looking like a second pick over all. If OIlers are thinking about moving Hemsky, then they have to take Yakapov to fill the right side, and chase defense men outside of Murray, who then would likely go second to CBJ.Flipping with CBJ, the only player you'd want back is Johnson,and if you have Murray at 2 nd pick why would you need Johnson.So the CBJ flip is out of the question.My guess at this point it will be Murray.
The thing with flipping picks with the Jackets is this: If they have Murray and Yakupov rated slow closely together and want to take Murray anyway then it would be in their interest trading the 1st overall for the 2nd and another pick maybe the 31st overall.
It's the scouts job to take a look at the players individually and come up with a list. If Yakupov tops that list the way that he does with basically every major scouting industry, then we either take him or trade down. I am a big Murray fan but Yak will quite likely be the biggest impact player in a draft seemingly short on high-end offensive talent.
No one has seen these two more than Stu MacGregor and his staff, so whoever they pick, I'm going to be happy. That said if it were me I would try to swap with CLB, and if you want one of these 2, you need one of the top 2 picks...while there are a lot of other good players in the draft, that is where I believe the top 2-3 teams will want to pick ideally. I want one of these 2 kids, and no one else, so forget about TO's pick.
I personally would take Murray 1st overall if there wasn't a deal to be had with CLB. It appears that is where the Oilers are headed, unless they are ramping up Murray's stock to scare CLB into doing a deal with them. I think Yakupov will have a bigger impact on the Oilers GF column, but Murray will have a bigger impact on the Oilers win column...
There were lots of flashy forwards in 2010, we got the best in Hall...lots of great centremen in 2011, we got the best in Nuge...lots of great defensement in 2012, ...
May 14 2012, 02:53PM
I'm with Quicksilver here folk's, I say draft Yakupov and trade up to select Murray or Reilly.
If you can't find any players in the top five then move on and trade for a top pairing defenseman, but this one pick and out has got to stop, this re-build has to stop!
Time to accelerate this process. Tambellini needs to start being a GM and show more then "with the first pick the Oilers chose"
May 14 2012, 03:04PM
@ Brownlee
Good read.
Do you get a gut feeling that MacGregor hands maybe tied on this draft?
"That's right," MacGregor said. "But I think (GM) Steve Tambellini was pretty clear that, you know, maybe we do have to make an organizational decision . . ."
Not to put words in anybodys mouth, but my gut tells me that a comment like that tells me Tambellini is going to pick Murray.
or am I reading to much into that?
@ Brownlee
Why not trade with Anaheim to get Fowler and their 6th overall pick and then draft one of Dumba, Rielly or Trouba?
There is no way we can dress a somewhat balanced team if we have Ebs, Hall, RNH, and Yakupov (assuming they play to their potential after their entry level deals are done) $6-7 million each per year. That is 24-28 million tied up on 4 players...in a cap world.
Would I be nuts to assume that out of a group of Klefbom, Musil, Fowler, Petry, and one of Dumba, Rielly or Trouba you could get 3 top 4 NHL d-men?
Balance is the key I say...
How much weight will the Murray's play at the WHC carry into making who the Oilers pick #1? When the tournament is done and the evaluations are done how much weight will Duane Sutter's opinion carry? Might be key especially if Sutter's name continues to be in the mix for the Oilers head coaching job.
I would take Kharlamov. I am old enough to actually remember him and how skilled he was. Stauffer is near dead on in his comparison other than I think Yakupov is heavier on the puck. Same unbelieveable skill. We were blessed to see Igor Larionov play at the tail end of his career. As good as he was VH was better than IL. IMO. I think few people would argue that if VH had played in the NHL the level of skill that he would have brought would have been better than 99% of the league at the time. There were few players who were his equal in talent and skill.
I am going to be sick with anticipation on June 22cd. I know in SMB we Trust.
I'm really concerned that they are out-thinking themselves. I know the team can't come out and say, "this is our guy," but it would help me sleep a lot easier.
But Stu comparing a player to someone who's *arguably* top 20 all time in Kharlamov has to mean that he really likes him and should make HIM the choice, right? Right?
Thanks again Robin, really enjoyed reading more about MacGregor. In my dreams, if I won the lottery (the real lottery) I would probably try to buy my way into those Oiler draft meetings just to sit and listen to it all go down.
Reading into MacGregor's comments about the organization having the luxury, after two 1st overall picks, of being able to draft positionally, I would wonder if some of the most interesting discussion in the Oiler draft room is about the difference between Grigorenko and Galchenyuk.
The Oilers could use a 2nd line center at this stage more than even a defenceman. They have organizational depth in the bottom rotation center position and a tonne of depth in the defensive prospect position. The wings are sparse in development but wingers are among the easier things to acqurie through trade and free agency.
Finding centers is nearly impossible in this league and the chance to draft one at this position may not come up again for a very long time. If the Oilers were to draft either of these two in Grigorenko or Galchenyuk they could even let them play another entire season in junior.
*A note on Galchenyuk - he had great success playing with a highly competitive fast and reckless winger in Yakupov. Might he not find the same chemistry playing with Hall?
The Oilers have the luxury of leaving some talent on the table at this draft in order to select the best player for this core.
Yakupov and Murray are tremendous talents, and I won't be saddened by adding either to the roster. I just have to think that the possibility of adding a center is too tempting at this stage.
As Shredder said, in the end we have to trust in the scouting staff that found Gernat, Marincin, Klefbom, Eberle, Rieder, and so on.
Any top defensive prospect should be able to handle themselves at the worlds, especially when playing so few minutes against mostly ahl level opposition..its not likr Murray has been playing unbelievable..hes just holding his own..I would never waist a top pick on him, his junior stats are barely half of what doughtys were.. Theres lots of good d coming up the oil pipeline (gernat, musilm marancin, klefbom..maybe teubert).not any offensive players that havr future top six potential (except maybe paajarvi..maybe maybe rieder) Oilers need more scoring, yakupov brings that and a ton of character..top four d can be found through free agency, college signings..or trades.. Oilers will be very sorry three years from now if they pass on yakupov I think, he projects to be as good, if not better than hall, eberle, or rnh.
May 14 2012, 04:03PM
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This year we should be able to see how Magnificent that bastard Stu MacGregor really is.
May 14 2012, 04:25PM
I noticed your picture of that beautiful Biscane on twitter, nice. Noticed the hood up and parked at the side of the road. Just wanting to make sure but...is this a call for help, she seize up on you again?
May 14 2012, 04:30PM
Little known fact:
8 out of 10 brides who share in a piece of their own wedding cake, suffer from a greatly reduced desire for intimacy after the fact.
Don't let your bride suffer these same consequences, just say no to the wedding cake.
Yakupov, Murray and Alex Galchenyuk all have merit in the top three. A big centre who may be undervalued due to the injury he sustained, a Speedy winger with amazing skill, or a franchise defenseman.
You have to love choices like that!
More than likely one of these players will not be a top line player. You have to pick the best player to protect yourself from picking a career 3rd liner. Treat the players as currency and hord theim like the crazy cat lady down the street. Trades have to be made to build a championship team.
Look at it from this viewpoint: would you trade Yakupov straight up for Murray if another team had him? If the answer is no, then take Yakupov without hesitation. If the answer is yes, then take Murray instead.
I think the best draft strategy is to package up some players and go after another top 5 pick and shoot for a defenceman like Murray, Rheinhart or Dumba as well.
May 14 2012, 04:56PM
@ RexLibris
Good points on the center position Rex. While I think it would be sheer madness to pass on Yakupov, I sincerely think the Oilers should try and make a move for Galchenyuk,
@Travis Dakin summed it up really well; there is no Larrson or Hedman in this draft, the wait on Murray will be a long one for maybe a second tier defensemen.
Draft the forwards trade for the defensemen.
I can foresee some type of scenario that involves the CBJ and the Leafs. Nash to the Leafs for there 5th and a player or two
The Oilers give up there 1st to CBJ for the 2nd and the Leafs 5th The Oilers then can draft Yakupov and Galchenyuk
The idea of the package deal is sound, the problem is in the act. Is there anything that the Oilers can afford to part with at this point that a team drafting in the #3, #4, or #5 slot would prefer to have over that draft pick?
Montreal (#3) - Not since Gauthier left.
Islanders (#4) - They want a 2nd line center and a defenceman, but can the Oilers afford to trade Gagner and Marincin and something else shiny for that pick? That leaves them without a 2nd line center. And would the Islanders even want that deal?
Toronto (#5) - We don't have the goalie they need and we aren't giving them the center or winger that they desire.
If the Oilers could somehow snake-oil salesman someone such that they could walk away from round one with Galchenyuk and Reinhart I'd be a giddy mess. I'm just not going to lose sleep waiting for it to happen.
@Wes Mantooth
Yakupov may be the better player next year and the next three years afterwards. But centers win championships.
I also don't think that there is any reason a winger can't create offense like a center, provided his game and creativity are there. Yakupov could be a playmaking RW for this team. We've spent the last decade watching Hemsky do it.
The problem is that the Jackets, Canadiens and Leafs all want a center. Grigorenko and Galchenyuk are pretty much it in this draft class (Faksa and Girgensons are a step below). If the Oilers draft Yakupov then they could trade Hemsky at either this year's deadline or next February. If they draft Galchenyuk then, as I said, they are leaving talent on the table, but getting a player that may make the team as a whole more balanced and, ultimately, better.
It is a very, very risky move. Had Galchenyuk played all season and posted similar numbers I don't think any of us would be having this conversation. The injury makes this risky. That being said, I suspect that the Oilers knew enough to be scouting Yakupov last season and were likely watching Galchenyuk as well and so have already built up an opinion of him from his rookie year.
They passed on a center in 2010, they picked the more gifted center in 2011. Looking at their depth chart (and prospects) there isn't a single name listed, in my opinion, that ranks as a good to elite level center to rotate in that top six. Toews has Sharp, Crosby has Malkin, Lecavalier has Stamkos. We are going to need center depth sooner or later.
Again, just my opinion.
And yet the Oilers are still get criticized by some fans for not drafting Seguin.
So why were the oilers criticized last year fro draft RNH who is a centre instead of Larsson.
No matter who the Oilers draft, its a guarnatee, some fans won't be happy and will criticze the Oilers no matter who they draft.
With how defencemen develope Slater Koekoeck, Ollie Maata, That Pouliot kid, or any other d ranked in the top 40 overall could turn out better than Murray..history has shown theres a real good chance..not the same can be said for forwards.
May 14 2012, 05:53PM
@ RexLibris
Personally, I think MTL takes Grigorenko, I'm not convinced the NYI will take a center as they require defensemen like the Oilers, TML have a center and want Nash, they will give that 5th up.
The Oilers give up the 1st and a prospect, say a Marincin (whomever) for CBJ's 2nd and 5th.
CBJ gets there defensemen the want in Murray.
The Oilers now have options; the Oilers may have to throw a conditional pick at NYI as a courtesy for not drafting Galchenyuk even though there set on Dumba.
The Oilers come out with Yakupov and Galchenyuk,
That leaves both Hemsky and Gagner free to use for a top defensemen.
Just a scenario I can see as one of many possibilities the Oilers could pursue IMO
Steve Tambellini phones Brian Burke:
"Mr Burke, I was thinking you might like the 1st overall pick."
"If you can get me two picks in the top five you can have it and our second rounder."
Than let him do the work!
EDIT - I think I would prefer to have the pick, myself... but if he's thinking of trading it I think that is the way to go.
May 14 2012, 06:09PM
Does anyone think the Oilers will draft a player that isn't in the NHL next year? I don't. Forget about BPA or positional need, Edmonton's drafting MNHLR (Most NHL Ready)
Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Rielly, and Dumba all need another year to develop and the Oilers aren't in a position to be patient.
If Yakupov and Murray are the top 2 players why aren't teams lined up to trade with Edmonton? I get the feeling the best player in this year's draft won't be the one selected 1st overall. It's too bad there are 2 franchise players in next year's draft that would address both of the Oilers needs (C1 MacKinnon/D1Jones)
I'm still in favor of trading the 1st pick and developing a prospect outside the NHL, even at the expense of being in the lotto again next year.
Am I alone?
Draft the BPA which is Yakupov. Then next summer, go after Weber. He would probably sign a 7 year/50M deal. Now we have a contender with great prospects and lots of internal competition. Trading for need would be very doable.
I don't know if you are alone, but I am sure not with you. Next year they absolutely have to get into the playoffs. With the top end talent they have, there really is no excuse for a competent GM if they don't get that far.
I remember when they were drafting Hall, and someone was lamenting (and there was a chorus echoing his statements) that they didn't have the pick next year since there was this stud named Couturier who was going to solve all those problems. Turned out Couturier dropped to seventh and we got RNH instead. Things can change a lot in a season of junior.
I do not care about the draft picks next year. The time is now to enjoy the fruits of SIX YEARS OF SUCK. No more bending over for the sake of the draft position. It's not an option... I'm tired of watching the playoffs without an ounce of emotion.
We have a lot of young talent bursting below the NHL as well as in the NHL. Why not move some of it for the second pick as well and include our first next year? They then can acquire yaks and his centermen, or Murray and yaks, or Murray and galenchyuk. I think we could possibly persuade Columbus to do this considering they could have the possibility of having two top 5 picks next year.
I find it odd to read some suggest fans need to have patience along with a rebuild, yet drafting Murray over Yakupov (based on what I've read to this point) would speak to a lack of patience in finding a number #1 D, IMO.
Even if you accept the premise that a team needs a "#1 D" to be a top team in a cap world, no one is suggesting the Oilers are going to be top of the conference playoff team next year - what is the rush to find a #1 D this summer?
Not to mention the fact that "needing" a #1 D doesn't magically make Murray, or anyone in this draft class, that player. I'm not saying he's not, but having a need doesn't necessarily mean you can fill it this year's draft.
May 14 2012, 08:05PM
Hey Wes; draft forwards trade for D... if only it was as easy as that. Teams hold on to quality D like dogs on a bone.
Hey Nate; you are not alone bro, I dig the idea of flipping this years 1st for Cbus' 2013 1st.
Finally to all who compare Yak to Kharlamov; Yak is more likely to be Helmut Balderis( I will let you google that name). Also, I heard rumblings that the KHL will exempt players defecting from the NHL from their new teams salary cap.
We have a lot of young talent bursting below the NHL as well as in the NHL. Why not move some of it for the second pick as well and include our first next year? They then can acquire yaks and his centermen, or Murray and yaks, or Murray and galenchyuk. I think we could possibly persuade Columbus to do this considering they could have the possibility of having two top 5 picks next year.
One of the arguments against that type of move relates to the depth of the respective drafts. It's early, but it sounds like the top end of the 2013 draft is expected to be substantially stronger than than the top end of next year's draft (once past Yakupov).
Even if you think EDM will jump up to the 7th pick in next year's draft, it's not unimaginable that who ever you get at 7 next year is a better prospect than anyone, outside Yakupov, in the 2012 draft.
Pick Yakupov.
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Hey Bills Fans,
You know what we love about our coach? He's a straight shooter, no lies, no sugar coating, just cold hard facts. He said it best from his 1
interview, "This is a tough game, for tough people." That comment extends way beyond the hitting and the physical pounding, and I didn't realize it until this week. The toughest part of our game is mental. Imagine if at your job there was a video camera on you every second, and not only were you videotaped- but you were then forced to watch it over, and over, and over again while your boss is critiquing every microscopic detail of your day….every day. Then when the inevitable bad day occurs, that boss reams you, tells you that you were flat out bad and that if you don't get better you will be fired. After that, you have to recover, perform better or every bad thing he said will turn into reality. You still think the NFL is ALL glamorous?
This scenario is actually a good day for us players. You see, a lot of times in this business you don't get that. You hear one thing- then another happens. This is a worst case scenario, how do you know how to perform and what's expected of you when you don't know what to believe? This is why we are lucky to have Coach Gailey. We know what is expected of us, when he talks we listen. When he asks us to do something, we go at it 100%. When he tells us we are bad, we agree and do everything we can to fix it. This is why we didn't stop fighting when we were 0-8 last year and that's why we won't stop this year. We may not win every game but you have to agree that the effort is there. It's just a matter of bringing the good all together at the same time. I'm not saying this to defend our Coach because our Coach doesn't need defending. He's done a good job and everyone on the inside knows it. I'm merely saying this because with all the coaching change this week it has me reflecting on my own situation and the more I think of it the more I realize how good I've got it.
With three weeks left in the season the Dolphins Tony Sparano, and the Chiefs Todd Haley are fired. This brings up a lot of questions. The dolphins have been talking about this for weeks, why after they started 0-7 and the talks started did they not pull the trigger? Why did they wait until he gets the team on a winning streak to pull the trigger? And why doesn't either team wait until the end of the season? Of course only those two teams know these answers, but let's brainstorm. I think the main reason is this: they thought, "let's put it out the news that we have an opening". It allows them to sample a coach as interim currently on the payroll. It can allow certain coaches time to decide if they would be interested in that job and time to get excited before they are officially eligible to be hired. And let me just say right now, I do not envy any of the candidates for these jobs. I love the game and love the coaching aspect, but I would never want to be a Head Coach in this league. In today's game, these guys have an extremely short leash and an unbelievable amount of responsibilities. They are expected to win in a very short time, which means they have to do it with a bunch of guys that might not fit their mold.
Look at the college ranks, most people agree that it isn't until the 3rd or 4
year until you can see if a college coach is any good. That's because it's when the players they recruited are finally on the field. Take for instance if you are a defensive minded coach and you have an unbelievable 4-3 defensive scheme, but the old staff built the team around a 3-4 scheme. It takes time to get that 4-3 personnel on the roster. This business is a "what have you done for me lately league". In my opinion, it's extremely tough to be successful in the short term, and you may have the winning formula just not enough time to develop it. The guys are crazy for wanting this job. Coach Gailey said it best when asked about the Cowboys Jason Garrett going into the business. He said, "I thought he was smarter than that." You can't help but laugh and agree with that!
So- Here's to being a player and not a coach.
(For Now) Your No-Named Buffalo Bill
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|In response to Re: What is a "high loop" installation for a dishwasher drain?
Thank you! That is easy enough.
: It is just running the dishwasher drain hose up to the bottom of the countertop, or sink, before dropping back down to connect it to the disposer or sink drain.
: : This is pretty much my question. What is a "high loop"? I ask because I do not have enough holes in the sink to accomodate an air gap and my dishwasher installation guide refers to an alternative of using a high loop but doesn't say what that is. Any help would be great!
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