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2.6: Problem-Solving Strategies: Guess and Check, Work Backward
Learning Objectives
- Read and understand given problem situations.
- Develop and use the strategy "Guess and Check."
- Develop and use the strategy "Work Backward."
- Plan and compare alternative approaches to solving problems.
- Solve real-world problems using selected strategies as part of a plan.
In this section, you will learn about the methods of Guess and Check and Working Backwards. These are very powerful strategies in problem solving and probably the most commonly used in everyday life. Let's review our problem-solving plan.
Step 1
Understand the problem.
Read the problem carefully. Then list all the components and data involved, and assign your variables.
Step 2
Devise a plan – Translate
Come up with a way to solve the problem. Set up an equation, draw a diagram, make a chart or construct a table.
Step 3
Carry out the plan – Solve
This is where you solve the equation you came up with in Step 2.
Step 4
Look – Check and Interpret
Check that the answer makes sense.
Let's now look at some strategies we can use as part of this plan.
Develop and Use the Strategy "Guess and Check"
The strategy for the method "Guess and Check" is to guess a solution and then plug the guess back into the problem to see if you get the correct answer. If the answer is too big or too small, make another guess that will get you closer to the goal, and continue guessing until you arrive at the correct solution. The process might sound long, but often you will find patterns that you can use to make better guesses along the way.
Here is an example of how this strategy is used in practice.
Example 1
Nadia takes a ribbon that is 48 inches long and cuts it in two pieces. One piece is three times as long as the other. How long is each piece?
Step 1: Understand
We need to find two numbers that add up to 48. One number is three times the other number.
Step 2: Strategy
We guess two random numbers, one three times bigger than the other, and find the sum.
If the sum is too small we guess larger numbers, and if the sum is too large we guess smaller numbers.
Then, we see if any patterns develop from our guesses.
Step 3: Apply Strategy/Solve
Our second guess gives us a sum that is exactly half of 48. What if we double that guess?
There's our answer. The pieces are 12 and 36 inches long.
Step 4: Check
The answer checks out.
Develop and Use the Strategy "Work Backward"
The "Work Backward" method works well for problems where a series of operations is done on an unknown number and you're only given the result. To use this method, start with the result and apply the operations in reverse order until you find the starting number.
Example 2
Anne has a certain amount of money in her bank account on Friday morning. During the day she writes a check for $24.50, makes an ATM withdrawal of $80 and deposits a check for $235. At the end of the day she sees that her balance is $451.25. How much money did she have in the bank at the beginning of the day?
Step 1: Understand
We need to find the money in Anne's bank account at the beginning of the day on Friday.
She took out $24.50 and $80 and put in $235.
She ended up with $451.25 at the end of the day.
Step 2: Strategy
We start with an unknown amount, do some operations, and end up with a known amount.
We need to start with the result and apply the operations in reverse.
Step 3: Apply Strategy/Solve
Start with $451.25. Subtract $235, add $80, and then add $24.50.
Anne had $320.75 in her account at the beginning of the day on Friday.
Step 4: Check
The answer checks out.
Plan and Compare Alternative Approaches to Solving Problems
Most word problems can be solved in more than one way. Often one method is more straightforward than others, but which method is best can depend on what kind of problem you are facing.
Example 3
Nadia's father is 36. He is 16 years older than four times Nadia's age. How old is Nadia?
This problem can be solved with either of the strategies you learned in this section. Let's solve it using both strategies.
Guess and Check Method
Step 1: Understand
We need to find Nadia's age.
We know her father is 36 years old.
Step 2: Strategy
We guess a random number for Nadia's age.
We multiply the number by 4 and add 16 and check to see if the result equals 36.
If the answer is too small, we guess a larger number, and if the answer is too big, we guess a smaller number.
We keep guessing until we get the answer to be 36.
Step 3: Apply strategy/Solve
Guessing 9 for Nadia's age gave us a number that is 16 years too great to be her father's age. But notice that when we decreased Nadia's age by one, her father's age decreased by four. That suggests that we can decrease our final answer by 16 years if we decrease our guess by 4 years.
Answer: Nadia is 5 years old.
Step 4: Check
Work Backward Method
Step 1: Understand
We need to find Nadia's age.
We know her father is 36 years old.
Step 2: Strategy
To get from Nadia's age to her father's age, we multiply Nadia's age by four and add 16.
Working backwards means we start with the father's age, subtract 16 and divide by 4.
Step 3: Apply Strategy/Solve
Answer Nadia is 5 years old.
Step 4: Check
You see that in this problem, the "Work Backward" strategy is more straightforward than the Guess and Check method. The Work Backward method always works best when we know the result of a series of operations, but not the starting number. In the next chapter, you will learn algebra methods based on the Work Backward method.
Lesson Summary
The four steps of the problem solving plan are:
- Understand the problem
- Devise a plan – Translate
- Carry out the plan – Solve
- Look – Check and Interpret
Two common problem solving strategies are:
Guess and Check
Guess a solution and use the guess in the problem to see if you get the correct answer. If the answer is too big or too small, then make another guess that will get you closer to the goal.
Work Backward
This method works well for problems in which a series of operations is applied to an unknown quantity and you are given the resulting number. Start with the result and apply the operations in reverse order until you find the unknown.
Review Questions
- Finish the problem we started in Example 1.
- Nadia is at home and Peter is at school which is 6 miles away from home. They start traveling towards each other at the same time. Nadia is walking at 3.5 miles per hour and Peter is skateboarding at 6 miles per hour. When will they meet and how far from home is their meeting place?
- Peter bought several notebooks at Staples for $2.25 each; then he bought a few more notebooks at Rite-Aid for $2 each. He spent the same amount of money in both places and he bought 17 notebooks in all. How many notebooks did Peter buy in each store?
- Andrew took a handful of change out of his pocket and noticed that he was only holding dimes and quarters in his hand. He counted and found that he had 22 coins that amounted to $4. How many quarters and how many dimes does Andrew have?
- Anne wants to put a fence around her rose bed that is one and a half times as long as it is wide. She uses 50 feet of fencing. What are the dimensions of the garden?
- Peter is outside looking at the pigs and chickens in the yard. Nadia is indoors and cannot see the animals. Peter gives her a puzzle. He tells her that he can see 13 heads and 36 feet and asks her how many pigs and how many chickens are in the yard. Help Nadia find the answer.
- Andrew invests $8000 in two types of accounts: a savings account that pays 5.25% interest per year and a more risky account that pays 9% interest per year. At the end of the year he has $450 in interest from the two accounts. Find the amount of money invested in each account.
- 450 tickets are sold for a concert: balcony seats for $35 each and orchestra seats for $25 each. If the total box office take is $13,000, how many of each kind of ticket were sold?
- There is a bowl of candy sitting on our kitchen table. One morning Nadia takes one-sixth of the candy. Later that morning Peter takes one-fourth of the candy that's left. That afternoon, Andrew takes one-fifth of what's left in the bowl and finally Anne takes one-third of what is left in the bowl. If there are 16 candies left in the bowl at the end of the day, how much candy was there at the beginning of the day?
- Nadia can completely mow the lawn by herself in 30 minutes. Peter can completely mow the lawn by himself in 45 minutes. How long does it take both of them to mow the lawn together?
- Three monkeys spend a day gathering coconuts together. When they have finished, they are very tired and fall asleep. The following morning, the first monkey wakes up. Not wishing to disturb his friends, he decides to divide the coconuts into three equal piles. There is one left over, so he throws this odd one away, helps himself to his share, and goes home. A few minutes later, the second monkey awakes. Not realizing that the first has already gone, he too divides the coconuts into three equal heaps. He finds one left over, throws the odd one away, helps himself to his fair share, and goes home. In the morning, the third monkey wakes to find that he is alone. He spots the two discarded coconuts, and puts them with the pile, giving him a total of twelve coconuts.
- How many coconuts did the first two monkeys take?
- How many coconuts did the monkeys gather in all?
- Two prime numbers have a product of 51. What are the numbers?
- Two prime numbers have a product of 65. What are the numbers?
- The square of a certain positive number is eight more than twice the number. What is the number?
- Is 91 prime? (Hint: if it's not prime, what are its prime factors?)
- Is 73 prime?
- Alison's school day starts at 8:30, but today Alison wants to arrive ten minutes early to discuss an assignment with her English teacher. If she is also giving her friend Sherice a ride to school, and it takes her 12 minutes to get to Sherice's house and another 15 minutes to get to school from there, at what time does Alison need to leave her house?
- At her retail job, Kelly gets a raise of 10% every six months. After her third raise, she now makes $13.31 per hour. How much did she make when she first started out?
- Three years ago, Kevin's little sister Becky had her fifth birthday. If Kevin was eight when Becky was born, how old is he now?
- A warehouse is full of shipping crates; half of them are headed for Boston and the other half for Philadelphia. A truck arrives to pick up 20 of the Boston-bound crates, and then another truck carries away one third of the Philadelphia-bound crates. An hour later, half of the remaining crates are moved onto the loading dock outside. If there are 40 crates left in the warehouse, how many were there originally?
- Gerald is a bus driver who takes over from another bus driver one day in the middle of his route. He doesn't pay attention to how many passengers are on the bus when he starts driving, but he does notice that three passengers get off at the next stop, a total of eight more get on at the next three stops, two get on and four get off at the next stop, and at the stop after that, a third of the passengers get off.
- If there are now 14 passengers on the bus, how many were there when Gerald first took over the route?
- If half the passengers who got on while Gerald was driving paid the full adult fare of $1.50, and the other half were students or seniors who paid a discounted fare of $1.00, how much cash was in the bus's fare box at the beginning of Gerald's shift if there is now $73.50 in it?
- When Gerald took over the route, all the passengers currently on the bus had paid full fare. However, some of the passengers who had previously gotten on and off the bus were students or seniors who had paid the discounted fare. Based on the amount of money that was in the cash box, if 28 passengers had gotten on the bus and gotten off before Gerald arrived (in addition to the passengers who had gotten on and were still there when he arrived), how many of those passengers paid the discounted fare?
- How much money would currently be in the cash box if all the passengers throughout the day had paid the full fare?
Texas Instruments Resources
In the CK-12 Texas Instruments Algebra I FlexBook, there are graphing calculator activities designed to supplement the objectives for some of the lessons in this chapter. See http://www.ck12.org/flexr/chapter/9612.
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I agree Sharon. It's true that we know a pup from an FC-FC breeding has Rhodes Scholar parents, but it does not follow that all pups not from an FC-FC breeding are out of village idiots. The simple fact is that we have no idea about the capabilities of untrained dogs. My dog has 10 remaining siblings, and I am not aware that any of the rest of them even hunt, much less play any of the dog games. You can't convince me that at least one of them could have done fairly well (or possibly better) had they been asked to do so.
And we all know that getting a pup from the FC- FC breeding does not guarantee that the pup will be an FC either. You may have stacked the odds as much in your favor as you could, but there are still no guarantees. I don't see Michael Jordan's kids playing in the NBA.
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Has nothing to do with above or below. Has nothing to do with status. Only has to do with percentages. Period. If you read anything more into my post than that, you are projecting your own sentiments not mine. I don't believe that the next great dog is sitting on someone's couch. If you do, you are entitled to your opinion. But, I disagree.
There are so many variables. Does that well-bred pup end up in the right hands? Does it have an owner who can foot the bill to play the game at the top level? With the right trainer to bring out the best in the dog? If not, will the dog be washed out or will another trainer get a shot at it and the dog will shine? Same scenario goes for the untitled breeding.

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80. Vote Republican
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Forget Pompton Lakes. Alpine, NJ was ranked the most expensive zip code in the entire country by Forbes magazine in 2011. (Yeah, you would think she'd dress nicer.) Alpine fell to No. 2 on this year's list, but still. Girl has big boy money.
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One hundred thousand years ago the Florida Keys were "under construction." The builders were billions of coral animals, each not much larger than a period on this page. Together these animals constructed a 150-mile-long chain of underwater coral reefs. When these reefs later emerged from the sea, they became the many islands of the Florida Keys. If you look closely, you can see fossil coral rock on the islands of Biscayne.
Dive into the undersea realm of the coral reefs and you will discover a feast for the eyes. It is a living kaleidoscope of gaudy colors, bold patterns, intricate designs, and peculiar shapes. Alien, yet inviting, the life of the reefs excites and mystifies snorkelers and scientists alike.
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Among the most puzzling creatures are the corals. Early biologists suspected they were plants. But each coral - each brain, finger, or staghorn coral - is actually a colony of thousands of tiny, soft-bodied animals. These animals, called polyps, are relatives of the sea anenome and jellyfish. Rarely seen in the day, the polyps emerge from their hard, stony skeletons at night. It is then that they feed, catching drifting plankton in their outstretched tentacles.
These primitive, unassuming animals are the mighty master builders of the reefs. The creation of one reef requires the team efforts of billions of individuals. Each extracts building material - calcium - from the sea and uses it to make itself a protective tube-shaped skeleton. Together, hundreds of these skeletons make a coral. Many corals, growing side by side and one on top of the other, form a reef.
Corals are very particular about where they build reefs. Like the offshore seas of Biscayne, the water must be just the right temperature (no lower than 63° F), just the right depth (no deeper than 200 feet), and be clean and well-lit. Such conditions exist all along the Florida Keys in and south of Biscayne and in the Caribbean, as well as in some other tropical oceans.
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The reefs are the cities of the sea. In and around them lives a huge and diverse population of fish and other marine creatures. Every hole, every crack is a home for something. Some inhabitants, like the Christmas tree worm, even live anchored to the coral. And there is food to satisfy all tastes. Corals are eaten by flamingo tongues, which are snail-like mollusks, and fish. Fish are food for other fish, and quite often, for seafood gourmets.
The General park map handed out at the visitor center is available on the park's map webpage.For information about topographic maps, geologic maps, and geologic data sets, please see the geologic maps page.
A geology photo album for this park can be found here.For information on other photo collections featuring National Park geology, please see the Image Sources page.
Currently, we do not have a listing for a park-specific geoscience book. The park's geology may be described in regional or state geology texts.
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The spectacular geology in our national parks provides the answers to many questions about the Earth. The answers can be appreciated through plate tectonics, an exciting way to understand the ongoing natural processes that sculpt our landscape. Parks and Plates is a visual and scientific voyage of discovery!
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Our look at the top fights of 2010 continues here with a slightly more obscure fight:
Bovy Sor. Udomson v. Takaaki Umeno (Shootboxing Ishin 2, April 11)
From Shootboxing, this one kind of flew under the radar, but if you want an action packed brawl, this one is for you. The Thai fighter Bovy has seen his career fade in recent years, while Shootboxing's Umeno has been on the rise. Here they met in the middle, turning in a crazy, bloody battle high on excitement.
Previously featured:
Tyrone Spong v. Jerome Le Banner
A note on this series - we'll be posting 1 or 2 of the top fights of the year on a daily basis over the coming week. Fights will be featured in chronological order moving through the year.


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Description ADULT SUMMER Has a black head, neck, and upperparts, and white underparts; note the neat white wing bar. Bill is large and laterally flattened; at close range, note the vertical ridges and white lines. ADULT WINTER Similar, but has partly white face (throat and cheeks); bill is smaller. JUVENILE Recalls winter adult, but bill is smaller and lacks markings.
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Range New England, Southeast, Alaska, Eastern Canada, Mid-Atlantic
Voice Mostly silent, but it sometimes utters croaking calls near nest.
Discussion Bulky seabird with essentially black and white plumage and distinctive bill. Swims well, dives frequently, and flies low over water on whirring wingbeats. Sexes are similar.


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that's what i mean that the thread ain't turning out too well for you champ...
I DGAF if you or anyone else agrees with me, especially when I know I'm right, as I am with this thread.
The players don't know if it's personal or aimed at the coach.
You must have never been in a game where booing ensued on your team. It's not fun, no matter who they're booing. It can completely wipe out motivation.
Once again....lulz
Your ironic confidence in yourself gives me douche bumps. They are like goose bumps, except they are a response to someone completely and unknowingly making an arse of themselves
I have to assume you've never played organized sports
Any "man" who boos has never worn a jock strap or put on a football helment. It's obvious.
I agree it would suck to read this board as a player, but the difference is they can choose not to come here. They are forced to listen to the boos in the stadium. And make no mistake, hearing it from your fans, regardless of if you know where they are directed, is disheartening.
Let's say they know people are booing the coaches. How do they respond? Either frick these people for booing my coach, or decide the boos are warranted and stop buying in to the team. Neither are positive.
Players: "F you a-holes, I'm busting my arse and you drunken dicks actually are booing me"
Recruits: "WOW! I really like LSU but I don't think I want to play for such a bunch of a-holes"
Coaches: "I wish those drunken a-holes would shut up, because since I know more football than they will ever know, I have to focus on winning this game.
EVERYONE ELSE WATCHING THIS GAME ON TV: " WOW those LSU "fans" are pathetic! I'm glad my school's fans don't act that way."
I played every level except professional. A good player uses negative criticism as motivation, they dont curl up in a ball like a big poosey
Maybe negative criticism from the media. Not from your own fans.
I played every level except professional.
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This whole league is pretty much up in the air with a few weeks left. Very competitive.
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Call it sour grapes, call it frustration or just simple truth but Philadelphia 76ers [1] star Andre Iguodala [2] is of the belief that the Celtics [3] talk too much on the court. Following Boston's 110-91 beat down of the Sixers on Tuesday night for their new franchise-best 19th straight win and an NBA best-ever 27-2 start, the OTHER 'AI' had this to say about the Green and what they say on the court and if they Celtics are peaking too soon.
"I think teams would hope that but 27-2, you can't knock that. It is what it is," he began [4]. "They're playing good ball, no matter if they're peaking or not. They just won the title and I'm sure they want to play to perfection and just try to keep it going the whole way. Similar to the Patriots, they were undefeated and they lost in the (Super Bowl [5]). I'm sure they're aware of that and want to keep it going the whole year.
"Everybody knows they won a championship and everybody knows they are a great team," he continued [6]. "They've got great players in Paul Pierce [7] and Ray Allen [8], those guys go out there and play hard. But they try to go overboard with it sometimes. I think it takes away from actually how good a team they are, it takes away from the respect factor. Teams don't respect them as much because of that."
As for other teams in the NBA and whether they're intimidated by the Celtics.
"I think they're a good team but I don't think they have that intimidation factor like the Detroit teams had those years when they were going to the Finals every year," Iguodala said [9]. "I think people respect them in as far as they're a good team and they play great defensively but they have a lot of trash talkers out there so that kind of takes away from them sometimes.
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|Willie Gunn
[quote]tomd (05-04-2001 12:37 p.m.):
< I fished Castle Grant and Kinchardie (Kin Har Dee), and took one 13 pounder on the Kinchardie Beat - this was in August. These beats run about L70 ($110) per day, and there is a ghillie on the beat that helps you out. This is a much better deal than Tulchan.>
Yep It is cheaper you could also fish the association water at Grantown but if you travel thousands of miles you should fish the best. You get what you pay for if you want rubbish by all means schrimp on the price Kinchardiie is like a canal Castle Grant shares some of its water with the Assocication Water. Tulchan has a limit of 6 rods per beat, you do not have to queue to fish the pool and it is all superb fly water.
I do not fish Tulchan, if I do it is a special treat but if I was traveling from America I certainly would not waste my time fishing the Spey in August.
In August the near by Deveron is starting to reach its peak as is the Ness and Findhorn.
The Connon/ Beauly are timeshare so to sugggest these for a weeks fishing shows a somewhat lack of local information.
I have a week on the Connon and have fished the Beauly at the seasons end to help fill the hatchery.
This is not Tom Dunlap, but a friend Tom Murley, living in London for a few years. Fished the Spey last August, as well as other rivers. Tulchan is beautiful, but ridiculous in cost. If you really want to stay there, do so, but look to rent one of their cottages. Here is my recommendation. Stay in one of the hotels in Grantown on Spey or Nethy Bridge. You should speak to the Strathspey Estate office in Grantown on Spey for fishing. They have a few beats. I fished Castle Grant and Kinchardie (Kin Har Dee), and took one 13 pounder on the Kinchardie Beat - this was in August. These beats run about L70 ($110) per day, and there is a ghillie on the beat that helps you out. This is a much better deal than Tulchan.
You should also look at some of the smaller rivers, such as Findhorn, Conor and the Ewe. I stayed a second week in Poolewe. Beats are L80 per day on this two mile river, took 3 Salmon. Lodging in the area is much cheaper.
Don't get me wrong, the Spey is great, but production has been dropping due to gill netting and poor fishery management. If you have the big bucks for Tulcan do it, but expect to wear a jacket and tie to dinner.
For the Tweed, you should look at the attached link and book with Leeming. The tweed in great in the fall. http://www.leeming.co.uk/
Another option is Ireland, where the fishing and lodging is cheaper. The place is the Delphi lodge, run by the most passionate salmon and sea trout crusader, Peter Mantle
You can reach me at firstname.lastname@example.com for more info.
Willie I envy you for getting on the Spey any where, any way. Thanks for the link, I only wish more than ever to fish the river. To think that the resurgence of two-handed rods in the pacific northwest today came from these waters is comforting that traditions don't always fade away - particularly in fly-fishing.
|Willie Gunn
My spelling let me down. Try the link now it works for me.
The best way to get on to Tuchan is to take the Lodge, yep it costs an arm and a leg but then you get preference over the peasants like me who take the cottages and only pay a leg.
It is easier to get on later in the season but the fish tend to be a bit potted
I had a business meeting cancelled at short notice aned was looking for some fishing at Tulchan but theyare fully booked. I have managed to get on a lower, nearer the sea, beat.
Willie Gunn
Hi Willie, tried the Tulcan link but got redirected to "innertopia.com" ?
The Tulcan beats are the last word in luxury ... exceptional bankside maintenance, great ghillies and fishing huts so well appointed you could quite comfortably live in one. The lodge itself takes the concept of luxury to onto another plane altogether! For slightly less $ there used to be some cottages which were also very nicely appointed but I'm going back 10 years. This is also prime single malt country!
The only other river I had any regular experience on was the Tweed in late November down at Yair (sp?). Loads of fish moving through at that time but takers were always very scarce. I managed two fish for four weeks over a fiver year period. Having 20lb plus Atlantics in full spawning livery jump out so close you actually make eye contact is quite exciting however!
My general recollection was that prime beats at prime times are not only expensive but "dead men's shoes" to get in. Prime beats at non-prime times were often over-priced.
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Hi Juro.
I know a little bit about the Spey but very little about the Dee.
The best time to fish the Spey is now or July. Now the fish are in their prime spring run. July it is mainly grilse, but they are more plentiful, but smaller.
Costs for the best beats Tulcan etc £1000/ week + accomadation. $--- £1.4 x roughly.
Tulcan have their own web page http://www.tulchan.com/
Fishing in Scotland?
Willie, et. al -
We are discussing worldwide destinations and I'd like to know more about the Spey, the Dee, and other deeply rooted historical areas in Scotland.
If a group were to consider salmon fishing there, what is the venue? Seasons? Rivers to target? Ideas on cost?
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Andrea Mitchell caught on CNBC Lying about Mitt Romney
Original post made by Hank Lawrence, Menlo Park: Sharon Heights, on Jun 20, 2012
This is what the CNBC edited tape quotes Governor Romney as saying:
"And then I was at a WAWAs and ordered a sandwich… you have a touchtone keypad, and you touch that, touch this, go pay the cashier, there's your sandwich. It's amazing!"
Andrea Mitchell engaged in a deliberate deception to make Governor Romney appear out of touch with reality. That he is totally unaware of technology that effects everyone's lives.
Now this is what Governor Romney really said
"By the way, where do you get your hoagies here, do you get them at WAWAs?… Well I want to a place today called WAWAs, have you ever been to WAWAs? I know some people haven't…. We went to WAWAs and it was instructive to me, because I saw the difference between the private sector and the governmental sector. People who work in government are good people and I respect what they do, but you see, the challenge with government is that it doesn't have competition."
What Romney was really doing is pointing out the differences between the innovative private sector and the lethargic Federal Government.
Once Andrea Mitchell got caught in the lie CNBC issued the complete un-redacted version of the film clip. She made some lame excuse about cutting the tape for time. Now Andrea is the one who is Waa Waa-ing.
This is typical of CNBC. It is an unabashed supporter of Obama and will do anything in its power to prop up his failed presidency. Leaders in Europe, out of habit, refer to the U.S. president as "Your Excellency". Now they derisively refer to Obama behind his back as "Your Irrelevancy".
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a resident of Woodside: Woodside Glens
on Jun 21, 2012 at 9:10 am
awwww, you know Mitt is used to a different sort of touchpad on the car elevator remote in one of his mansions (I think it's the one he's rebuilding in La Jolla.)
He wasn't used to ordering food digitally, he vastly prefers his servants to do that.
Seriously? The media and particularly Fox, Rush, etc.. have NEVER taken a few words out of context for Obama?
Yeah, right!!!
Nice try, especially with the crocodile tears.
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Glens
on Jun 21, 2012 at 9:23 am
Hank neglects to note that Romney ads HYSTERICALLY take the President out of context. Example:
In 2008, Obama said: "Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose"
What show's up in Romney ads?
Obama saying "... if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose." Blatant editing and just another ROMNEY LIE.
How sad is that? Almost as sad as when Romney goes to Ohio, Michigan and Florida and tells the governors campaigning with him that they can't talk about the improving economy in their stats. Web Link
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Glens
on Jun 21, 2012 at 9:28 am
Another link: Web Link
"Mitt Romney's presidential campaign asked Florida Governor Rick Scott to tone down his statements heralding improvements in the state's economy because they clash with the presumptive Republican nominee's message that the nation is suffering under President Barack Obama, according to two people familiar with the matter.
Scott, a Republican, was asked to say that the state's jobless rate could improve faster under a Romney presidency, according to the people, who asked not to be named.
What's unfolding in Florida highlights a dilemma for the Romney campaign: how to allow Republican governors to take credit for economic improvements in their states while faulting Obama's stewardship of the national economy. Republican governors in Ohio, Virginia, Michigan and Wisconsin also have highlighted improving economies.
"This is one of those situations where you could have it both ways and there's enough truth in it that it would resonate," Stipanovich said. "It would be better if everybody was singing from the same hymnal." "
Well, bad choice of words.... which hymnal would that be?
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 21, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Telling lies during a political campaign what a schock ! It has happened in the past and will continue in the future from both parties.Our system needs fixing.
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 22, 2012 at 6:26 am
It's one thing for a CAMPAIGN to edit their rival's remarks. Yes, THAT we expect.
But it's quite another for the "Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent" for the NEWS DIVISION (that's supposed to be the journalists...) of a major network to do that. It's really quite embarrassing to see Andrea Mitchell, a journalist with such a long, respected career to be part of this.
They're just as much the political hacks as Fox is for the other side.
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Glens
on Jun 22, 2012 at 10:34 am
Pogo The Apologist seems to think it's okay for Romney to spend millions broadcasting a snippet of Obama saying "Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose" as Obama saying "if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose"
Instead, he supports Hank's rant about über-liberal propaganda minister Andrea Mitchell.
Otherwise known as Mrs Alan Greenspan. Quite the 'librul' elitist.
Hank - keep talking about Mittens being impressed with everyday technology like supermarket scanners, it's a good way of pointing out how in touch Etch-A-Sketch is with the commoners who install his car elevators and clean up his dressage horse stalls.
Look how well it worked for the original scanner guy.
Web Link
No comments about swing state governors talking about their growing economies?
new link Web Link
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 22, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Yes, and all of this was from a guy like Hank who himself has never even seen a scanner. After all, he said, "And then I was at a WAWAs and ordered a sandwich… you have a touchtone keypad, and you touch that, touch this, go pay the cashier, there's your sandwich. It's amazing!"
Oh wait, you mean Hank was quoting what somebody ELSE said? Well, gosh, if was mistaken then I am just so sorry. Because any ETHICAL person would be offended for a quote to be taken so out of context that it not only misconstrues who spoke it but conveys an intent the exactly the OPPOSITE of what was intended.
But not our man Romney! After his campaign ran that ad showing McCain's words as Obama's, our man Romney doubled down and directly endorsed the ad.
Oh yeah, your guy's a gem. Yea.
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Glens
on Jun 23, 2012 at 8:22 am
G Golly:
What's really enlightening about Mitt's falsehoods is that they are picked up by the international media, but not the domestic mainstream corporate owned media, the corporations that Hank claims are "the über-liberal propaganda arm of the Obama Administration."
The Guardian UK: Web Link
"Mendacious Mitt: Romney's bid to become liar-in-chief
Spin is normal in politics, but Romney is pioneering a cynical strategy of reducing fact and truth to pure partisanship
Four years ago, when I was writing about the 2008 presidential campaign, I wrote with dismay and surprise at the spate of falsehoods coming out of John McCain's campaign for president. McCain had falsely accused his opponent Barack Obama of supporting "comprehensive sex education" for children, and of wanting to raise taxes on the middle class, while his running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, took credit for opposing the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere", which she had actually supported.
At the time, such false and misleading claims from a presidential candidate seemed shocking: they crossed an unstated line in American politics – going from the usual garden-variety campaign exaggeration to wilful lying.
Ah, those were the days … after watching Mitt Romney run for president the past few months, he makes John McCain look like George Washington (of "I Can't Tell A Lie" fame)."
My personal favorite in Romney's cavalcade of untruths is his repeated assertion that President Obama has apologized for America. In his book, appropriately titled "No Apologies", Romney argues the following:
"Never before in American history has its president gone before so many foreign audiences to apologize for so many American misdeeds, both real and imagined. It is his way of signaling to foreign countries and foreign leaders that their dislike for America is something he understands and that is, at least in part, understandable."
Nothing about this sentence is true.
Newt Gingrich and other Republicans called Mitt a liar several times. Why won't the US corporate media come out and fact check Mitt's outlandish fabrications and falsehoods?
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 23, 2012 at 6:33 pm
This thread has, as expected, evolved into a contest of which campaign tells the most lies. Clue: they both do. You can tell when their lips are moving.
Unfortunately, most of you have missed the original point of the post.
Andrea Mitchell isn't supposed to be a hack for anyone's campaign! Ms. Mitchell is SUPPOSED to be a journalist and is SUPPOSED to be displaying some objectivity. She is not the equivalent of Rush Limbaugh or Ed Schultz, or David Alexrod or Andrea Saul. Ms. Mitchell in the NEWS DIVISION of NBC News and is their Chief Foreign Correspondent.
You expect this stuff from Romney and from Obama, you DON'T expect this stuff from a journalist... let alone the most senior correspondent at NBC News.
PS - This is not the first example of pretty blatant bias by Ms. Mitchell. Just curious if anyone can point to examples of a major mainstream news outlet (ABC, CBS, NBC, NY Times, etc.) showing similar editing bias that favored a Republican? I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I can't think of a time in recent history when it did. And if the best you've got is Fox News, save your ink.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Jun 23, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Well said POGO. Well said.
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Glens
on Jul 2, 2012 at 10:09 am
Lies are bad, I guess we all agree.
Mitt's a great businessman. On that we all agree -- at least in terms of making the big bucks.
Wonder if they ever cross, Mitt lying about business? (drumroll please)
- "Earlier this year, Mitt Romney nearly landed in a politically perilous controversy when the Huffington Post reported that in 1999 the GOP presidential candidate had been part of an investment group that invested $75 million in Stericycle, a medical-waste disposal firm that has been attacked by anti-abortion groups for disposing aborted fetuses collected from family planning clinics."
Romney denied it, and has been caught up in lies about when he left Bain.
But reality has an ugly way of popping up:
- "documents filed by Bain and Stericycle with the Securities and Exchange Commission—and obtained by Mother Jones—list Romney as an active participant in the investment. And this deal helped Stericycle, a company with a poor safety record, grow, while yielding tens of millions of dollars in profits for Romney and his partners. The documents—one of which was signed by Romney—also contradict the official account of Romney's exit from Bain."
Web Link
Andrea Mitchell's possible selective editing vs Romney lying about Bain and Stericycle, the medical waste investment whose abortion services are an anathema to the religious right.
Not a tough call. The man has no character.
Add to that, today's revelation that he agrees with Obama that Obama/RomneyCare is a penalty and not a tax.
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jul 2, 2012 at 10:55 am
Even FactCheck.org, not exactly known for its right wing leanings, has noted that the attacks on Bain are largely untrue (at least with regard to sending jobs overseas).
But Palmer S deflects - and not even very deftly. This thread isn't about Romney or Obama lying about the other's record. They all do that. As does Limbaugh and Schultz, Hannity and Maddow.
This thread is about Andrea Mitchell, a JOURNALIST and the CHIEF Foreign Correspondent for NBC News, repeatedly lying about Romney. I've yet to hear the first accusation about a mainstream news network lying about President Obama.
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Glens
on Jul 2, 2012 at 11:23 am
"This thread isn't about Romney or Obama lying about the other's record."
Deflecting about Romney lying, himself. One can only guess that Pogo doesn't care when the candidates lie about themselves and their past, as opposed to the legendary flipflops.
Mrs Andrea Mitchell Greenspan "repeatedly lying about Romney"? Deflection, or hyperbole? Pogo has gone, in the space of three posts, from Mitchel's bad edit to "not the first example of pretty blatant bias" to "repeatedly lying about Romney."
Which is it?
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Family: Parulidae, Wood Warblers view all from this family
Description ADULT MALE Has olive-green back, extending up nape to crown. Tail is white from below and dark, with white outer feathers, from above. Wings are blackish with two striking white wing bars. Face is bright yellow, with olive ear coverts. Throat and chest are black, while underparts are otherwise mostly white, with black streaks on flanks and yellow wash on lower chest and rear of flanks. ADULT FEMALE Similar, but throat is whitish or mottled pale yellow. IMMATURE Similar to adult female, but black elements of plumage on underparts are greatly reduced, consisting mainly of grayish streaks on flanks.
Dimensions Length: 5" (13 cm)
Habitat Widespread summer visitor (mainly May-Jul) to mixed and coniferous forests; breeding range is mainly northern but extends into uplands further south. Winters around Caribbean.
Observation Tips Most widespread in northern forests.
Range Plains, Great Lakes, Western Canada, California, Florida, Mid-Atlantic, Southeast, Eastern Canada, New England, Rocky Mountains, Texas, Southwest
Voice Song is a buzzing tzur-zee-tzur-tzur-zee or zee-zee-zee-tzur-zee; call is a soft t'sip.
Discussion Well-marked, black-throated wood-warbler. Forages actively in vegetation and sometimes gleans insects while hovering. Sexes are separable.


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How often does anyone take their dog(s) to the vet for teeth cleaning? And at what age? My Sadie's teeth have always been clean & white down to below the gum line, but now the vet is telling me that she "should have it done" (to the tune of a pretty hefty charge, of course) because there is some tartar buildup around the back teeth on one side and that could potentially cause some gum disease problems, etc. etc., etc.
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I understand that the oscp is designed to make us do the pentest without automated tool. But is interception proxy (free version burp) or paros allow to be used in the challenges exam? Or are we expected to manually test web application vulnerability via browser?
Also, another question for the exam, do we get a similar set up like in the lap (where we get access to an xp machine) or more like actual blackbox pentest that we start with an ip address?


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Family: Emydidae, Pond and Box Turtles view all from this family
Description Semi-aquatic. Carapace domed, slightly flattened along the midline, and is oblong when viewed from above, speckled with numerous yellow or light-colored flecks or streaks. Plastron, or lower shell, is yellow with dark blotches symmetrically arranged. The head and legs are dark, and usually speckled or mottled with yellow.
Dimensions 12.7-26.8cm. (5-10 1/2")
Breeding Sexually mature at 14-20 years. April- May, nesting begins early June. 8 eggs in a clutch. Hatch August-September.
Habitat Isolated coves and weedy bays, and further inland in shallow, marshy waters and ponds.
Range Nebraska, Great Lakes region. Also New Hampshire, Massachusets, New York.
Discussion Diet includes insects and snails. Very shy, will hide if disturbed. Mostly aquatic but surfaces bask on logs and to feed.


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During the first quarter of this year, we began to see the impact and results of the alliances and partnerships forged over the previous 12 months. We are seeing the increasing strength and influence of IDF's Member Associations, amplified through global alliances which underline our external focus. Diabetes is a complex condition – from its multi-pronged aetiology and relentless disease path to the multifaceted approach required to manage diabetes on a daily basis. Moreover, the world is waking up to the interplay between the multiplicities of interconnected external factors whose influence is exacerbating the global rise in NCD numbers. In today's world of intricately interwoven economies and globalized means of production and retail, diabetes appears to have found dangerously fertile ground – particularly among poor and underserved people in low- and middle-income countries. Diabetes and other NCDs are stealthily engulfing even those communities that were previously considered low-risk.
It is far from coincidence, then, that the launch of the World Diabetes Day 2012 campaign also aims to expand our circle of influence beyond the borders of diabetes, while remaining focused on our core disciplines, including the development, publication and distribution of clinical guidelines. We are all part of the solution to this diabetes epidemic. Therefore, we are convening the different stakeholders and catalyzing dialogue. Our aim is to change the way people think of diabetes on two levels. Our target audience is those who refuse to accept that diabetes is any of their business, those already affected and those at risk. We are engaging these groups by drawing the direct links between diabetes and global health issues.
A good example is the climate change event at the recent World Health Assembly in Switzerland – a groundbreaking collaboration with a sector that is new to the all-of-society campaign being mounted by IDF against the current pandemic of NCDs and diabetes. The private health company, Bupa, was IDF's joint host at the expert dialogue on diabetes and climate, where health and climate sectors gathered to discuss how jointly to tackle these serious challenges. The event brought type 2 diabetes and climate change into the spotlight, as two of the most urgent challenges of the 21st century. Highlighted the connections between climate change and type 2 diabetes that are repeatedly overlooked in global policy dialogue.
A promising victory emerged from the 2011 UN High-Level Meeting on NCDs in New York: the target-25% by 2025. I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge IDF Member Associations for their role in these achievements. However, we still have to fight for the other targets to be passed.
At the recent Rio+20 summit, the world leaders and experts came together to find effective solutions to the many deep fissures that are weakening the very fabric of human societal development – driven by the inexorable implosion of an inherently flawed and unjust financial system. Unfortunately, the event will change very little. The dismal results prove that there is still much work to be done in changing the mentality of governments and decision-makers worldwide. Diabetes is a real health issue with critical links to the environment and economic growth of countries.


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I ran an Amat. , a few years ago with 70 + starters , it started with a double and a blind , 16 called back to water. It's not always about how many but where you put them.
I ran an Amat. , a few years ago with 70 + starters , it started with a double and a blind , 16 called back to water. It's not always about how many but where you put them.
I've run a few derbies. I have never run one that had a triple(yet). I have never judged a derby with a triple in it either.
Philosophically, I do not have anything against a triple in derby. I do do triples with my derby dogs when they are capable. I often run hunt tests with my derby dogs and they have triples. Doesn't seem to bother the dogs at all.
What brings that much angst against triples in derbies? All the dogs have to run the same test and they're judged against each other.
Howard Niemi
You really gotta be careful about how high a pedestal you put your method, your accomplishments, your dog on. There's usually someone who's done more, somewhere. And they may have used a different method than you did! Chris Atkinson 2013
get your dog out and TRAIN! caryalsobrook 2013
Howard, I just feel it is not needed and would open up to a whole new set of issues! I feel triples will also lead into more technical or trained response than natural marking.
Just because Howard. Thats as good a answer as any. I think it has to do more with tradition, help, last choice grounds, nothing left in the trial game for the little dogs, not sizewise. I personaly think the derbies are a dying stake and the qual is yesterday's derby, especially with OH , the stake in with hunt tests, in our neck of the woods pros dominate the derby when most are on Fridays. The quals are on Saturday with much bigger enteries. Older derby dogs can handle triples with ease. A derby career really starts at about 18 months. So just because.
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Triples in the Derby, why?
Retired gun in the Derby (double fourth series if needed) why not?
I have not and would not do a triple in the Derby.
I have and would again retire a gun on a double in a late series if warranted.
Throwing a double, there are just four ways you can throw it. If you expand to a triple you could go up to three times
that configuration. Now add some judges who want to be remembered for their mini national and it gets down right silly.
It will quickly get out of hand, fountains, indents, two retired where does it stop. If all judges were on the same page Ok, but, they are not. I have judged many derbies, put a bunch on the derby list, but, never set up or run a triple in the derby. You can retire a gun by sitting down out of sight from the line nothing wrong with that and like Ed have retired some and ran some. Just think with bird placement, conventional wisdom, you can put two birds out there most of the time that will test the little dogs marking. I still think in my previous post it is a dying stake.
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Film & Discussion: Zeitgeist : Addendum
Zeitgeist Addendum attempts to locate the root causes of this pervasive social corruption, while offering a solution. This solution is not based on politics, morality, laws, or any other "establishment" notions of human affairs, but rather on a modern, non-superstitious based understanding of what we are and how we align with nature, of which we are a part. The work advocates a new social system which is updated to present day knowledge, highly influenced by the life long work of Jacque Fresco and The Venus Project.
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Padme Amidala has got 12 or more possiblities for seeing her wardrobe changes turned into action figures from "Attack of the Clones."
In addition, she still has 5 unproduced versions possible from "The Phantom Menace."
What would you like to see Hasbro produce for their action figure line-up in the near future?


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Sydney Medical School Early Career Researcher Showcase
11 April 2013
The inaugural Sydney Medical School Early Career Researcher (ECR) Showcase will be a free fun afternoon of short talks, aimed at a general audience, by ECRs from all schools within the Sydney Medical School.
This is a chance to discover the exciting research taking place in the faculty, and to meet and talk to other researchers in the Sydney Medical School.
Time: 1.30–5pm
Location: Centenary Institute Lecture Theatre
Cost: Free
More info: http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/staff/research/ecr-showcase.php


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I really do.
I wish HBO would revive the series or at least play the old episodes once in awhile. I rented a VHS tape from my local video store, the only tape they had, and I really enjoyed it today. It featured these three episodes:
-Demi Moore as a gold digger who marries Jeffrey Tambor (in a fat suit).
-William Hickey aka Uncle Lewis from Christmas Vacation who gets a body transplant to win the much younger girl of his dreams, played by Kelly Preston. This episode was co-hosted and directed by the Governor of California.
-Lance Henriksen in a HILARIOUS episode of extreme gambling featuring a very tense scene of Russian Roulette.
During a rare visit to KMart last week I noticed a Crypt DVD for $5.99 which features 3 episodes directed by Zemeckis. I couldn't resist and while I haven't watched it yet, I vaguely recall the episodes:
-Scary Larry Drake aka Dr. Giggles aka Benny from LA Law as a crazed killer in a Santa costume.
-Dan Aykroyd and Kirk Douglas as WW2 era(?) soldiers . . . I can't remember the surprise in this story but I think I remember enjoying it.
-The episode which follows the perception of a dead guy who looks like Humphrey Bogart (was this the series finale?).
There are so many good episodes to this show and I'd love to see them all again. I remember the one with Brion James as a lumberjack. He blinds a guy for being intimate with his wife and by the end of the show the blind guy is a master logger and he gets to cut through Brion James and his wife while they are tied and gagged. Good episode !


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Cushla and myself are now engaged. Actually we've been engaged for some time but hadn't actually gotten around to actually telling anybody. Since we bought rings a week ago we felt we'd better own up to it now. So there you are, we're engaged. No idea when we're going to hold the weeding or anything like that (well, Cushla knows what she wants to wear, and we're thinking about an evening ceremony on the beach with a bonfire, but nothing actually firm).
For those who want more details, imagine the circumstances surrounding jdub's engagement and then reverse everything. Yes, that does meant that she proposed to me. It also means that our families only knew after the fact and that it wasn't done on a beach. It also wasn't a complete surprise.
It did take us a while to figure out if we were serious or not (hence not telling anyone). We are serious about each other, we're just not that serious about marriage as an institution. At least not the traditional marriage thing.


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In 2013-2014 Nevada used the High School Proficiency Examination (HSPE) to assess high school students in reading, writing, math and science. The HSPE is a high school graduation requirement. The HSPE is a standards-based test, which means it measures specific skills defined for each grade by the state of Nevada. The goal is for all students to score at or above the state standard.
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I got my second turkey this year. I am new to turkey hunting and self taught. No one to to turkey hunt with so I don't know much about turkeys. Anyway my turkey this year was 24# 1 inch spurs and has two beards one 10 1/2 inchs the other 11 inchs I was told this is a really good bird. Maybe a once in a lifetime bird is this true?
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Answering the Service Call of Duty
Those who look at service calls as a headache and a drain to the bottom line are missing the boat. Proper training all down the line from sales to installation to service to customer minimizes service call frequency and maximizes opportunities.
By Bob Dolph · January 9, 2014
Celebrating 2013's Small Business Saturday here in Orlando, Fla., brought to mind a tech service story I would like to share about a favorite service company in my neighborhood. Although it focuses on an air conditioning systems service provider, it has relevancy for security systems service specialists as well. The fact is that no matter how specialized your technical products and services are, the fundamentals of quality service calls are all the same.
Living in Florida you learn quickly to revere your AC system and, more importantly, your AC service person and company. A short while back, I was having trouble with my aging AC system and called my company for service. Over the years I had grown to rely on not only the fine and prompt service the company had provided, but the professionalism and technical wisdom of my AC serviceman.
This last AC service call was special for both myself and the service provider. In just a few well-chosen words, he explained the problem and the pros/cons of considering a new system installation. This turned out to be what you would truly call a win-win situation. I finally purchased a long-needed, more efficient and technically advanced system, and the company made a nice upgrade sale with a new system that going forward will be easier to service and repair.
As a security systems contractor, the big question to ask yourself and your staff is whether service call fundamentals are being carried out properly. Let's review some ways to make your service operation more efficient, more profitable, and more enjoyable overall for your customers and service staff.
Analyzing Top 5 Service Call Causes
A recent SSI Web poll asked, "What is the most common reason for a service call?" The results, while not totally surprising, reveal important areas that need our utmost attention if we are to stay competitive in this rapidly changing technical world.
1. THE ALARM USER. More than a third of the survey respondents (36.7%) stated the alarm user was the reason for the service call. What was the user's real issue? Did they have a false alarm due to not understanding the system's functions? Did they not understand how to operate modes such as 'stay' and 'away'?
Prompt service is important; however, do not just throw any technician at the customer because the customer said they had some trouble. Be sure to have technically knowledgeable staff politely contact the customer to find out exactly what is the problem. Apply simple concepts, like who had the problem, what was the issue, and where, how and when did the incident happen? This can be done in a few simple questions. Your company should develop its own service call triage methodology. It will save you time and money in the long run. A skilled support person can often help the customer over the phone and make sure the best tech and solution is available.
In many instances, the biggie here is training the customers to better understand and use their alarm systems. Maybe training was hurried at installation or they now have new users who do not understand how to arm/disarm the system.
The call may have been motivated by a false dispatch fine. One of the biggest failures by alarm company management here is to assume that if you have smart technicians you have qualified trainers. As a manager you must take the time to train your technician to be better at training the customer.
I always remember the Confucius saying, "I hear and I forget, I see and I remember, I do and I understand." It may appear to a technician that the fastest way to training a customer is to explain how everything works. The best way to train a customer is to take the time to have them manually operate the alarm system. The technician should ask brief questions in order to verify they understand what they are doing. Technicians should also learn to use layman's terms rather than techie terms the customer probably will not understand. Remember, when a trainee is asked, "Do you understand?", they will almost always respond, "Yes." Ask simple, direct questions like, "What should I see on the keypad when the system is turned on or armed?"
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Hail, Velocipede!
Trail-a-Week: Kirtland
Mission not accomplished
By Betty Sprocket
There's a U.S. Air Force Base in the middle of Seoul, South Korea. If the myths of the American expatriate community are to be believed, they've got a Taco Bell in there. After three or four months of nothing but gim, bap and gimbap, I've witnessed otherwise-reasonable American civilians so thirsty for Fire Sauce they start to plan insurrections and armed raids. While I was in Seoul, my craving for Enchiritos never reached such a fever pitch, but I finally understood that urge to overthrow the government this morning when I went to ride my bike out by Kirtland Air Force Base.
I have zero experience with the military and utterly failed to grasp the significance of my chosen trail being located on base. I mean, look at the map: bit.ly/aYBRcJ. Doesn't the green line in the middle look just like the green line that usually denotes a public bike path? Was it so unreasonable to expect to exercise my Constitutional right to ride? I rolled right through the base gate on Wyoming and blithely declared to the armed guard, "I'm just headed for that bike trail in there." Um, no. The guard stopped traffic, took my ID, and didn't hand it back until I made a tight U-turn around his little shack and aimed my bike at the exit gate.
Sheepish but unfazed, I nipped down to San Mateo and spent a frustrating half hour failing to penetrate the base by way of the VA hospital. The closest I was able to get to that forbidden trail was USS Bullhead Park, where I stopped to salute the Department of Defense. If it can thwart a super-spy like Sprocket, our national security must be pretty damn secure indeed. So, civilians, until I decide to enlist, I guess I won't be riding the Kirtland bike trail. But just like Fourthmeal in Korea, I don't really need it. There's plenty of other stuff on the menu.
Ugh, what a pathetic non-ride for the subject of my final column. That's right, folks, August is ending, and Trail-a-Week is ending with it. It's been such a pleasure to write for the Alibi all summer. As Betty Sprocket, I've rolled down obscure bike trails I never would've found on my own, been hipped to public transit pro tips (UNM and CNM students, take your ID to Student Services for a free bus pass!), and found an ideal public forum in which to dis Rio Rancho.
As for you, gentle reader, please don't despair when I'm gone. I know it will be hard to cram your feet into your toe clips without my weekly penny-farthing panegyrics to inspire you, but you must nut up and ride on. Autumn is a primo cycling season, and you won't want to miss a minute of the glorious blue sky and golden leaves and zephyrs heaving with hot-air balloons and shit. We are so lucky to have this lovely city to pedal around in, my fellow biciclistas, and I wish you happy trails all year long. Viva Burque. ¡Viva velocipede!
The opinions expressed are solely those of the author.
Betty Sprocket, professor emeritus of the Skinny Tires Department of the University of New Bikexico, lectured you on Albuquerque's many magnificent bike trails. Alas, fall draws nigh, and Sprocket must roll on. Find her complete works here.
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Request a free copy of the Book of Mormon
Missionaries are handing out copies of the Book of Mormon all over the world, even as you read this. So what is this book? If it's given out for free, why do so many members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints count their Book of Mormon as one of their most valuable possessions? What kind of book can cause so many readers to change their lives, their minds and their hearts? What kind of book can answer life's seemingly unanswerable questions?
The Book of Mormon is the word of God, like the Bible. It is Holy Scripture, with form and content similar to that of the Bible. Both books contain God's guidance as revealed to prophets as well as religious histories of different civilizations. While the Bible is written by and about the people in the land of Israel and surrounding areas, and takes place from the creation of the world until shortly after the death of Jesus Christ, the Book of Mormon contains the history and God's dealings with the people who lived in the Americas between approximately 600 BC and 400 AD. The prophets in the Book of Mormon recorded God's dealings with His people, which were compiled by a prophet named Mormon onto gold plates.
Before these faithful Christians perished, their record was safely hidden away. Joseph Smith obtained these ancient records in 1827, and with the gift and power of God Joseph was able to translate the ancient writings into what we have today. The Book of Mormon, along with the Bible, testifies that Jesus Christ is our divine Redeemer and that by living according to His gospel we can find peace in this life and eternal happiness in the life to come.


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No one can get close to John Medina, the CIA's legendary Black Ops specialist who works in the shadows of the government's deadliest missions. He is a virtual invisible man, with no friends, many enemies, and a cloud of suspicion surrounding the death of his wife.
And no one knows the dangers better than Niema Burdock. A sharp, steely-nerved communications expert, Niema and her husband, Dallas, worked side by side with Medina on an explosive mission that went tragically wrong.
She could hear it all play out, horribly, on the radio: Dallas set off the detonators at John Medina's command - and found himself trapped in the crossfire. In a shattering blast, Niema's hope and her love were destroyed....
Now Niema has withdrawn to a quiet Intelligence position, and a safe - if predictable - existence that has helped her heal her scars from five years ago. And she never planned to see Medina again. But now John Medina needs her....
A French arms dealer is supplying international terrorist units, and John Medina must infiltrate his compound and crack the deadly ring. But only Niema can plant the undetectable bugs needed to nail the dealer - a feat that begins by going undercover and winning his trust. But when their careful strategy begins to crack, Niema and John take flight - and find their partnership sparking with an erotically charged, unquenchable electricity. In a world of deception, one thing is clear: John Medina has once again set Niema on a free fall into danger and desire - and one can't exist without the other.
©2012 Linda Howard (P)2012 Simon & Schuster, Inc.
"A high-suspense romance.... Howard's trademark darkly sensual style and intense, layered plot will delight her fans." (Booklist)
"Ms. Howard has made the character [of John Medina] irresistible.... A fascinating novel of suspense and sensual tension." (Rendezvous)
"[A] sexy thriller.... Another explosive hit.... When it comes to mixing that perfect blend of romance and danger, Ms. Howard is unbeatable!" (Romantic Times)
A trilogy. Say it in three. Done.
"Enjoyable enough, but not Howard's best"
Solid narration by Kate Forbes. Fair story. Nothing special, but not bad. I liked the scenes where John Medina (Tucker) was teaching self-defense to Niema Burdoch. There's explicit sex towards the end. The two protagonists did something very stupid, hanging around in France when danger clearly lurked.
Linda Howard's "CIA Spies" series get lots of acclaim, but personally, I think they are half-baked. They didn't feel complete as a romance nor as a suspense thriller.
The three books in the series, in order:
1. Kill and Tell. An old US Marine (retired) sent his "Sniper killbook" to his estranged wife and daughter. It contains evidence that would expose a corrupt senator. When said sniper is murdered, his daughter Karen turns to New Orleans PD detective Marc Chastain for help. A CIA agent (John Medina) gets involved because the bad guys also killed his father. Too much torrid sex in this one, but a decent plot.
2. All the Queen's Men (this book). Covert CIA agent John Medina (introduced in Kill and Tell) puts the sting on a deadly explosives operation, meanwhile putting the moves on CIA techno-geek Niema Burdoch. He's loved her for five years. We also learn that John Medina has a soft spot for Karen and Marc (book 1), keeping watch over them.
3. Kiss Me While I Sleep (very slight overlap with the two previous books). There is a mole in the CIA, and the highly trusted CIA director is in critical condition. Special agent Lucas Swain doesn't know who to trust, so he's on his own, bringing down a renegade operative in France. However, Lily Mansfield is more than he expected. Together, Lucas and Lily put a stop to a bioterrorism plot.
"John Medina~ HOT sexy CIA ops~ RUTHLESS ~ LOVER~"
PLOT: 2 cia ops take on French Arms Terrorist and find desire and sexy intrigue~
John Medina and "Dallas" on a mission ends up with DALLAS DEAD~ now John is out to recruit the widow of Dallas the lovely sexy Niema Burdock~ John Medina is legend and little is known about him.He is one of the most reclusive and secret CIA spies~ With a sexy air of mystery he ruthlessly adds Neima to his team to take on a French Arms dealer who is part of a TERRORIST network. HOT and SEXY is the only way to descibe the "under cover(S) " assignment of John and Neima who over come their lack of trust and faith in each other and find a common goal to destroy some old enemies. a very early excellent story by the ever fun Linda Howard and we first hear about John Medina in Kill and Tell. This story is first rate and takes off and builds and you will want to listen to the whole thing. This is the first time the unabridged edition has been released in over 10 years. I give this 5 STARS for first rate thriller story, sexy couple and great thrills til the end of the story~ also recommend Mr. Perfect, Now You See Her and Open Season that audible have finally obtained in the last few weeks in unabridged forms~ all first rate early Linda Howard audio books~
"Classic, wonderful Linda Howard"
Suspensful, Sexy, Bittersweet.
Yes. The plot to get the bad guy was so high risk, I kept expecting them to be caught at any moment.
I wasn't the biggest fan of her performance. Her reading of the female protagonist seemed off. It was not terrible, just not the best.
The beginning was very emotional.
Sassy dialogue, humor, and a great reader are important to me.
"Finally the full story. One of Linda Howard's best"
I have waited for unabridged version far too long. I have read the book multiple times!
More romanace, than mystery. If you are a Linada Howard fan, get this one.
not the best reader.
"Old Queen's Men"
This is an old book of Linda Howard and not re-recorded for Audible. At one point in the story the narration stopped and the voice said it was time to "flip the tape over and play the other side." Yep, this was recorded back when cassette players were popular. Story is not as good as some of LH current work and the narrator was very unemotional so not much chemistry. I wish I had not used a credit on this one.
"All the Queen's Men"
One of my favourite stories. I really enjoyed this presentation. The characters were well represented and do not blend together in the reading.
"Favorite male character"
Intriguing improbable romp
Kiss Me While I Sleep, Cry No More, Burn, Shadow Woman, Kill and Tell, Midnight Rainbow
Good strong voice. Easy to understand.
"Le pant" and cheer
Reality isn't nearly as interesting as fiction.
"loved this book!"
This book grabbed me right from the beginning! It was a complete listen from start to end and the characters were so wonderful and fun to follow! Story was realistic. The empathy I felt for the "bad guy" was a bit of a surprise.
"it was okay..."
usually with a Linda Howard's book, i am captivated from the beginning. This one was not that way. started and stopped this one four times before finally finishing...
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