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|Gaspe Salmon
Dear Sun Ztu,
I have been wrong before, I am CERTAIN of this. I will be wrong again, I am also quite CERTAIN of this.
As per the subject that you elude to whereas you suggest that the outfitters here are trying to take over, I am CERTAIN, that this is not the case and can easily defend that position, although I really do not see the point as I would simply be defending those who can defend themselves easily enough. As for me and my past life as an outfitter, you would be hard pressed to find any control conspiracy on my end as I had always scratched for whatever I got and certainly never controlled anything. If you are so CERTAIN about me being wrong, please bring forth your best arguments and proof, and I would certainly be happy to debate that subject with you.
For someone who is still hiding behind their username, it certainly would appear that you have something to hide from.
If I read your homewaters and location correctly, you are my neighbor here in Cascapedia, perhaps you would like to enlighten us all in regards to the private camps that occupy 77% of the total main river waters here on our river. Would you go out on a limb and say that they are trying to control everything?
Again, I am very anxious to find out where you are getting, or, how you are formulating your accusations. Certainly, if you are so sure, you will not mind telling us all how you have come to this conclusion and who you are.
CERTAINLY someone who offers such grandiose accusations should be ready to reveal themeselves.
You can be certain that I will be awaiting your reply,
Dave & Salar-1,
Thanks for the replies. I don't dispute Dave's 1800$ per fish number, my 620$ per salmon is strictly the license cost, which is the part of the expenses I have to report and justify to my wife..
Good explanation on how the ZEC's came about. Obviously, the idea I mentioned of selling a portion of the licenses to the highest bidder, would never be accepted if it included a big portion of the season. For instance, auctioning off 50% of the rod-days would require the catch to improve by 100% so the non-auctioned days would catch as much as before, which may be a bit too ambitious for most of your rivers.
Auctioning off 20%, however, does only require a better than 25% increase in the total catch for residents and other "lottery" anglers to catch more fish, even if they would have 20% fewer days to compete for. In my opinion, the current 20% that you say the ZEC's are free to distribute might be just the right ratio, and local outfitters with an established client base should be in the best position to buy those licenses. At the end of the day, the goal of the whole excercise should be fat and happy salmon stocks, more fish for everyone and more business for the locals. I agree with you that earmarking the ZEC's extra income for "salmon only" efforts is the way to go, and I would not be surprised if resident anglers would be more positive towards selling licenses to outfitters, if the extra revenue was more clearly being spent on the salmon itself. Either way, this is for you people up in Quebec to decide, although I feel you have a "moral duty" to listen to ideas from outsiders on how to nurture your priceless resource.....
Thanks for the info on the unreported catches, this may be just what I need to persuay my better half that the fishing is worth the drive from Massachusetts up to Gaspe.
|Sun Ztu
|It is one thing to be certain but you can be certain and be wrong
Dave has given you a good description on the how and why a ZEC is operated.
Each Salmon caught is priceless
Each Salmon even more so
Each day on a river (ANY river ) is priceless
Each day preparing for Salmon fishing is priceless
Each memory of fishing is something that is cherished to all of us ,but especially to those that can no longer get to a river
Each memory of pasted on fishing friends is priceless,especially when their ashes have been spread upon their favourite pool.
So something a tad more that the $ sign does play a factor in Salmon fishing .and a $ sign cannot be placed on a fish's worth !
BTW : Your research that has revealed 1 fish caught /7 days MIGHT be a bit flawed .Ari , SOME fishermen that release fish do NOT advertise their statistics, especially if they fish on open waters . Announce to the ZEC/ river management that you've caught and released 2 or 3 fish on a certain pool and the day after you WILL share that pool with many others .IF that same fisherman has kept his/her fish they have 24 hrs. to report it.
You mentioned the York's stat's . Ari ,let me mention the stat's from a 2006 ,5 day trip .
4 fishermen, 7 fish C&R'd .( believe that only 2 were "reported" to the ZEC office)
So we have a much higher catch rate than is "officially" reported .
Cheers and enjoy our rivers
|Gaspe Salmon
Sun Ztu,
I went back and checked my post and the word "illusion". It would appear that you actually think that the outfitters are trying to take over. I can not believe that anyone would actually come out and try to make anyone here believe that. Let me simply say this. If your job, your family members job, your friends job or some other person you respect job depended on an outfitter trying to make ends meet was involved, perhaps you would not think this way. Simply put, outfitters, IMHO are simpy trying to survive. When I was an outfitter, I was willing to invest my own time, money and life in a business that kept myself and 8 other people and their families employed. Until you have waded a mile in my waders, or, any of our waders for that matter, you should not be trying to make any of us believe that outfitters are trying to take over. To tell you the truth, if the outfitters had not popped up in this area to PROMOTE WAY BEFORE THE ZEC's ever thought of trying to promote outside of Quebec, there would not be such a demand for fishing and there would be a heck of a lot less jobs now. It is a question of survival, not control.
If you want to talk about control, why don't you shoot that comment to the zec's who in no small part had most of their marketing done in past years by private money from myself, Glenn Bill, Ann and others in this industry. Perhaps you do not like the outfitters for having put some rivers on the Gaspe into clear view of visiting anglers because it cuts into your fishing time. The one or two days you probably fish during the prime time season only. Maybe these anglers, who are about 95% CR anglers are a nuissance to you and some others who live here in Quebec.
Take away the outftitters on the rivers in question and you can be guaranteed about a 30% drop in sales. If you do not believe me, call Ronald at the Bonaventure Zec office and ask him how much money CB and SL spend a year on angling passes for their clients in NON-RESERVED and reserved rod zones. Then you can call Marc Gauthier from the Cascapedia Society and ask the same question about the rod sales in the branches. Follow-up that call to Jean Roy in Gaspe and ask him how many rods MRO and ANN's business buys. Just for fun, call the Grand Riviere Zec and ask them how much money BG has pumped into that Zec. Once you have your facts straight and you have done all of your homework you can come back and tell me that outfitters want to take over. Until then, keep on with the constructive criticism. I, like Pierre Mansea Salar 1 have WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON OUR HANDS and will be happy to respond to you.
In hopes that we will see the caped crusader unmasked soon!
I reamain in control of only my keyboard,
|Gaspe Salmon
Hello Ari,
Glad that you are thinking about discovering the beautiful Gaspe Peninsula!
As per your comments, please allow me to try to answer/respond to a couple of your questions/comments.
First of all, the actual value of a salmon caught by a visiting non-resident is about 3x what you stated (1,800$ + per fish), this is a number that was calculated over 5-years ago so it could be different now. Good point, however.
As to your suggestion, or, question as to why the government does not allow bidding on waters, I have this to say. The ZEC system was created to get rid of an old system that was almost exactly like that. Not so long ago, PRE- 1979, most of the rivers in Quebec were controlled, (leases were held) by non-residents and residents, mostly rich individuals and companies who had the rights to fish the rivers here. This meant that Quebec residents had little to no access on their own rivers. Imagine watching people from other countries fish rivers where you live and knowing that the only way you could fish was to poach them. This was the reality until the PQ Parti Quebecois came into power and a man by the name of Guy Chevrette (Pierre help me out if my facts are a bit mixed up) who was minister of the Environment came in with the order from the Qc Prime Minister to DE-CLUB most of the rivers and hunting territories that had been controlled, (leased to) by these outside interests. This is when the ZEC's which stands for (CONTROLLED EXPLOITATION ZONES) came into existence. Of course, it took a bit of time to get all of the Zec's in place, but today they are there. Their mandate is to sell access permits to anglers and insure a fair draw and equal access to all and to provide protection and habitat improvements on the river in order to maintain and/or increase salmon stocks. IN a nutshell that is the story, however, condensed I have made it here. Believe me, it is a lot more complicated than that. Perhaps someone else could assist me in explaining a bit better.
Therefore, you would have a REVOLT here in Quebec if the government sold out to the highest bidder. And BEFORE any of you start to think that this is what is happening now with the outfitters, think again, it is NOT the same thing at all. What I failed to mention is that there exists (and has existed for a very long time) a 20% discretionary "bank of rods" that Zec's are allowed to sell to 1. the highest bidder, 2. use for promotion 3. package together for their own purpose. This 20% is sometimes sold to outfitters, sometimes to individuals, (although usually only a part of that 20% is sold), but most of the time, it goes unsold or untapped. Now then, the government and from what I understand, the FQSA is in favour of rod allocation to outfitters via this 20% rule, which it turns out, is exactly what the outfitters are for as well. So where is the problem you and others might ask? I mean, there exists an avenue that was requested by the Zec's a long time ago so that they could be self sufficient financially a long time ago, and what has been done with the 20% well, not much in most cases. Excuse me if some of you managers who read this take exception, however, I did say "most".
Now then, to put up our rivers for bid would be taking about 100 steps back for our province and the ZEC system. This is my humble opinion. I do feel, however, that if the 20% rule exists, there should be a way to try to save the outfitting/guiding industry here in Quebec by allowing the use of some or all of that 20% to be distributed (after fair evaluation of everyone's needs) so that we are not simply giving away our resource. As of today, we are still one of the only places where you can fish without a guide as a non-resident and I think that is a good and fair thing so far. I do, however, feel that the Potential value of our resource could be increased for the benefit of the SALMON, (remember them??? not much being said about them in this thread thus far) in terms of habitat and restoration if prices were increased for certain people/industries. If you look at it worldwide, we offer CHEAP fishing here in Quebec and that IS A FACT.
My last posts, as with this one and you can count on future ones will debate and defend this stance. We need to use our resource wisely so that the SALMON will end up benefiting. By the way, in the 20% that has been suggested as an avenue for outfitters to pick up rods, the price for each rod is WAY above the actual price that a resident and non-resident would pay. IMHO this is one of the best avenues for ZEC's to stow away money for the salmon. As a matter of fact I would suggest that each cent over the normal RESIDENT rod rate that is received by the ZEC's should automatically go into a fund for the SALMON ONLY i.e., salmon habitat restoration and improvement ect... Again, this is my opinion only. The money should not go for building camps, buying trucks, making gazebos, cutting trails etc... the Zec's should use the money they get from the other 80% of the rods they sell for those things.
So Ari, you have a good point and one that is readily available as a solution to all this mess here in Quebec at the moment. Sell off 20% to the people who need it to protect jobs in this industry here. Heck the mechanism for this to happen has been around for a very long time. It is time that we recognized that fact and started to use the 20% which in the past, had never been challenged to my knowledge. Ask the Zec's if they want to do away with their 20% and almost all of them will say NO WAY. Problem is, instead of using it for the good of our economy and the region by negotiating rods within it, they have been reticent to agree to sell it to those who need it the most. Those who I mention are indeed the outfitters who by the way, represent about 35-40 direct jobs in two areas. This is just two outfitters, not to mention all of the private guides that exist.
It is a sticky, complex problem, and I DO NOT PRETEND to have ALL OF THE ANSWERS. But after sitting on all sides of the fence over the past 14-years, I think that I may be able to suggest a few painless ways of making everyone happy, at least almost everyone. As with any democracy, you will only make the majority happy, not everyone.
Ari, I hope that you have an EXCELLENT experience here in Quebec and if I can be of any assistance to you, please shoot me a private message and I can fill you in if you have any questions.
Kind regards to you,
David Bishop
|Gaspe Salmon
Dear Sun Ztu, (whoever you are)
What nail are you refering to? A bit more precision would be appreciated. As to the illusion that I refer to let me explain. The "illusions" that are popping up are sometimes just that. One person says something, people take it as the truth, when it is really an illusion. That is what I meant/mean. If you have something constructive to add, debate, or challenge, then I suggest that you not hide behind a username with no information on who you are, or, where you are from. It might be that you have some very good ideas to share, then again, you may simply, like many others, be talking out your ass about something YOU THINK you know about. Then again, it would seem that you think that myself and some others who have sat around the Salmon Round table, like my friend Pierre Mansea, who you claim, "has too much time on his IDLE hands". Before making remarks like that, I would suggest that 1. you identify yourself (so that everyone can judge where these opinions are coming from and if they are worth taking seriously) 2. take in a few Zec or other river meetings. 3. Become familiar with the WHOLE debate and issue, meaning go back about 10-years. I have never read any of the books you have mentioned, if they have to do with salmon conservation, then I will glad to read them.
Also, if you have a suggestion as to which sized nail I should hammer next, I would gladly welcome your suggestion. In anticipation of your public reply or your private message, I remain convinced that with a bit of comprehension and some increased understanding that this is an INDUSTRY and that we need to make it work for OUR region,
David Bishop
Home waters, Cascapedia, Petite Cascapedia, Bonaventure, Nouvelle, since 1976
I ran some numbers on the catch rates and license prices in Gaspe, which I think are rather interesting, and I have a couple of questions for you:
The best data I found was for the York, and after a few assumptions my numbers indicate that non-residents pay about 620 Canadian $ for each salmon caught, and residents about 390 $, assuming the ZEC sells 90 days per season and that the limited sectors catch about 360 fish in an average season during the 2500 or so rod days. These prices are not unreasonable for a pretty river with lots of biggies, but I found the catch rate of 1 salmon per seven rod-days to be low. Do a lot of these licenses go unsold?
My second question is this, has there ever been talk within the ZEC's about selling a portion of the licenses to the highest bidder? I am sure that many of the rivers could see their catches greatly improved, if more money would be invested in habitat improvement, making the pie bigger for us non-millionares even if some percentage of the season would be sold at very high prices.
As a future visitor to Gaspe, who has never been up there, I would welcome your thoughts on this.
Ari Eiriksson
I'll agree with your post .However ,IF there's thousands of days with no anglers , I ask myself then there's NO need" the extra rods ?
If and IF a problem exists of access to reserved sectors,and I know a s--tload of lurkers read these posts(some, as a pile of emails attest , and some the email mention not posting because English is their 2nd language) So I know someone might bring this up at a Table du Saumon" May I suggest that 1 day /week on one sector per river be allotted any enterprise providing a outfitter/guiding service on one reserved sector per river that would normally be allotted in the Nov01 draw. Say, 2 rods max per "enterprise" .Outfitter /guide/guiding service could provide one guide/client. if that one sector has 6 rods then thered' be room for a minimum of 3 Salmon fishing enterprises .IMHO ,there'd be a ton of water to be divided up . IF any water has NOT been taken by the Nov01 draw the river managers could state that these wwould be now available .IF any enterprise cannot use his/her rod allottment ,he /she would announce by the post Nov 01 call in's that these rods would be available .
One previso that I would INSIST upon would be that these rods WILL be given to paying clients and not be used by employees/owners/promotional purposes/industry "freebees".
|Sun Ztu
|David you have been given the hammer and unfortunately you have chosen the wrong nail. there is no illusion.Venture, salmon fishing has nothing to do with war and you are right Quebec does support business that engage in promoting salmon fishing and not self promoting . Read again the books of Balfour Kinnear and Falkas . Salar1 you have too much time on your idle hands.
I think David hits it accurately and cuts through most of the BS by not being able to clearly define "fairness". I believe that the term "fairness" is a manmade word that means nothing. If there is some "fairness" in the world, or in our lives, I would love someone to let me know. Is their fairness in Africa, the Middle East, the United States or Canada? Was their fairness throughout the ages in all the history of war and the misery it created. Is their fairness in the economy, or in business? Have you been treated fairly in your life? The word fairness is usually used to define something that always ends up to someone's benifit. Is that fair?
Objectively looking at this debate as a non-resident, and one who does participate in the draw, I would like to say this. It is most important that the provence support any business or industry that actively engages in promoting salmon fishing, and supporting the local economy. It not only is important for the economy of the area, it is also will protect the resource, as it is to their great advantage to preserve the species and their business. That is a no brainer. The active fishing lodges must get enough water for them to flourish.
Then you've got the "local" residents, who love to fish, and live in the communities surrounding "their" rivers. These "local" residents should get priority. They deserve it because this is really their river, as much as it is the outfitters. So they should lets say be "offered" up to 25% of the quotas after the outfitter's. A "local resident" can easily be defined by a zip code, or township. We do it here in the States all the time. I am sure you do in in Canada to. I have special "resident" parking privilages in my area over "non residents" as it is defined by township or a combined group of zip codes not states or countries.
What I don't nessassarily believe in is the disproportionate quotas for "non resident" to "resident" ratios. I see it as a flaw in what defines a resident and non resident AS IT RELATES to the river and the salmon. This is where I see the term "fairness" being used to substantiate and rationalize each group's "desire to control".
There are folks coming from Montreal, Maine, New Brunswick, Toronto, and New York just to mention a few places. ALL these folks rarely support the local economy of the region unless they are there fishing. All come seasonally. Hey, the guy from Maine may live closer to the area than the guy from Montreal. Whats the logic here? Why should the guy in Montreal think he should have priority over the guy from NY? What was his contribution to the region when not on the river? The cost of the non resident license and permit makes up for not contributing to "Quebec resident" income taxes that MAY be directed to the fishery of Altlantic Salmon.
And lastly, to just complete the circle, should the "resident" from Montreal have the same priority as the resident living in the township of Gaspe or the immediate surrounding townships? Again, these are the folks living there year round, through the hardship of winter, all the while supporting the local economy. They in fact ARE the local economy. As I said, this local resident living in Gaspe logically has more rights to that river than anyone else after the outfitter's needs are satisfied. But because the residents of the province far out-number non province residents and local residents, the term "fairness" is used manupulitively to insure they have better control. I like my logic better. I think it should be 25/25/50.
I am wondering what rivers are you talking about that have dams that are located on the north shore that have depleated the salmon ressources
Can you name some please ? being a North Shore resident it would be interesting to know what your talking about.
How much time have you spent on the North Shore to make such a statement
Here is the list hope you can list to me the ones that have dams that remove access to salmon
Du gouffre
JAcques Cartier
Petit Saguenay
Saint Jean (saguenay)
Sainte MArguerite
Aux Anglais
Aux rocher
Petite Watshishou
Saint Jean (LOWER NORTH SHORE)
Bras D-or
Gros mecantina
Petit mecantina
Ruisseau saumon
Ruisseau belle amour
Vieux Fort
Saint Augustin
Saint Augustain Nord Ouest
Saint Paul
And here are the Anticosti rivers
A l'huile
LA Loutre
Aux Saumon
|Gaspe Salmon
Hi Ann!
I know you do your homework... I did not mean to offend anyone, as a matter of fact, I am not sure what you are refering to. All I am saying is that things are not always as they seem, or, as they appear to be when we write things on the net. Now that the agreement in principal is online, everyone can see what the stakes are. IMHO there is not much that is being taken away from anyone, as I see it, about 55-60% of the waters that have tentatively negotiated are on the ST-JEAN and not in the prime sectors of the York. THEN AGAIN, I am NOT THE expert on those rivers, sure I know them, but would never pretend to know as much as you, Bill and others about what sort of effect this will have on access to the rivers and certain beats.
My simple point that I would like to make is the following. If we want the salmon reasource to be just that, a REASOURCE for OUR REGION and OUR WORKERS, we need to use it intelligently. In my world, there would be room for RESIDENTS within a 75/25 framework, some water offered to outfitters, guides with businesses, having a set clientele, native rods, and public draw access. If you look at it from what the reality is and has been, outfitters (which I am no longer) have businesses, just like guide operations (who are also very vital to employment for our area) and need to have some access to waters so that they can continue to attract guests, which in turn will continue to provide jobs to our area.
The sticking point is two-fold, first, the illusion that has been created is that outfitters are trying to take over. This is simply foolishnes. If everyone would just look at what attempts have been made to create a fair system so that OUR REGION could continue to exist, i.e. jobs, then I think most people would understand a bit more. Ann, you must be aware of all of the layoffs in the forestry industry here. Now that we have lost hundreds of jobs what other resource do we have to survive on? You live off of fishing, as do your employees, my old employees, Glenn's, Bill's and others in the industry. Should all of US come second and third to anglers who come during the prime time only, who kill the resource, who come only when the fishing is good, or, from time to time? IMHO the answer is NO. If people like you, Bill, Glenn, and others are willing to invest THEIR money and their lives along with THEIR employees, it is their responsibility to fight for a place, albeit small compared to the GRAND scheme of things, in order to operate.
I think that most non-residents should consider themselves lucky to be able to come to this area and fish on their own, in N.B there is mandatory guiding and outfitters. Residents have lots of rivers to fish on throughout the Gaspesie and lower N. Shore including the N. Shore. I can understand that some may feel as if special deals are being made, however, I am SURE that the vast majority, not just the vocal minority, is in favour OF SOME SORT, that we properly use our reasource for the GOOD of our economy in parrell with the good of our recreation time. After all, for most anglers it is a sport, not a means of putting bread on the table.
My REAL POINT in all of this is simple. We must all stop fighting about who will manage the reasource. WE neen to collectively put our heads together, look at the FACTS, and come up with a solution to how to CONSERVE the SALMON. If we do not, we will no longer be fighting about managing empty rivers. Unfortunately, there are people that only see black and white. Salmon are Silver, somewhere in between, maybe we would do well to consider them FIRST, whilst we try to figure out who has the RIGHT to fish for them.
Again, let me make myself perfectly clear about MY POSITION, and I too have done a lot of homework and have sat at many meetings about this issue. People have to stop trying to CONTROL, this goes for the outfitters and the FGRSQ both. The disinformation, or rather, the lack of concrete information on what this reasource means to our area and our local economy has been somehow lost in this debate. It is a simple fact of life that salmon are a reasource and it is high time that we recognize this and get on with fairly alloting part of it so that we can insure our own futures as guides, cooks, shoreboys, drivers, booking agents, outfitters, etc... THERE IS PLENTY of water to fish and lots of salmon to fish over. However, when you get a poor year like last year, there are no anglers. So why is everyone bitching about accessibility when there are thousands of days available to fish but no anglers fishing??? Answer that question and you get a gold star!
Ann, I have the utmost respect for your knowledge of your area and your passion for the sport. You are truly a good steward and mouthpiece for this area and for the salmon. I find it quite unfortunate that this debate has divided some of us who, after all, are all working for the same thing. Fair accessibility to our reasource. The word FAIR will always have different meanings to different groups and individuals. That is a simple fact of life.
I can tell you that there is simply too much disinformation as to what is really at stake here and it is very sad that things have gone this way. I got out because I was finding myself spending too much time defending certain points and not enough time defending the salmon. Today, my number 1 priority is to talk salmon fishing and conservation. That is all that really counts. Like I said, a couple more poor years of fishing and there will be no problem for anglers to get on the rivers, who will want to fish over rocks? It is high time that everyone put a bit of water in their wine and settle this once and for all. If not, non-residents and residents from away will simply give up on us and we will all be out of jobs.
Ann, I wish you the best, as always and hope to hear from you sometime in the near future.
Screaming reel and frowning rod to you,
Davd Bishop
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I found the details on the ZEC Gaspe Site, Just go to Francais instead of english and the PDF appears.
|Green Ghost
What appears on the web site is the same that appeard in my letter I received except now it says the results of the special meeting would be put on the web site as of October 15th. Today is already October 19th and I saw nothing new on the web site. Can you enlighten us would be participants? What are the changes?
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Winter'S Tale (The)
Leontes, King of Sicilia, and his Queen, Hermione, entreat Leontes' childhood friend, Polixenes, King of Bohemia, to extend his visit. When Polixenes gives in to Hermione's entreaties, Leontes is seized with an unreasonable jealousy. He orders Polixenes' murder and sends Hermione to prison where she gives birth to a daughter, Perdita. Refusing to believe that the child is his, Leontes orders Perdita to be abandoned in the wilds. He then learns that Hermione has died. Sixteen years later, Perdita, who was found and raised by shepherds in Bohemia, is wooed by Florizel, Polixenes' son. Polixenes is opposed to their marriage and threatens punishment. Florizel and Perdita flee to Sicilia, where Perdita's identity is revealed and the kings are reconciled. When all go to view a lifelike statue of Hermione, there is a mysterious transformation and a joyous reunion.
Originally performed at the Globe in 1611, The Winter's Tale has traditionally suffered from either extensive alteration or embellishment. Two of the earliest and best-known adaptations are Macnamara Morgan's The Sheep-Shearing: Or Florizel and Perdita (1754) and David Garrick's Florizel and Perdita, A Dramatic Pastoral (1756), both of which attempted to preserve the romance and joy of The Winter's Tale without its grief and desolation.
Leontes, King of Sicilia, and his Queen, Hermione, entreat Leontes' childhood friend, Polixenes, King of Bohemia, to extend his visit. When Polixenes gives in to Hermione's entreaties, Leontes is seized with an unreasonable jealousy. He orders Polixenes' murder and sends Hermione to prison where she gives birth to a daughter, Perdita. Refusing to believe that the child is his, Leontes orders Perdita to be abandoned in the wilds. He then learns that Hermione has died. Sixteen years later, Perdita, who was found and raised by shepherds in Bohemia, is wooed by Florizel, Polixenes' son. Polixenes is opposed to their marriage and threatens punishment. Florizel and Perdita flee to Sicilia, where Perdita's identity is revealed and the kings are reconciled. When all go to view a lifelike statue of Hermione, there is a mysterious transformation and a joyous reunion.
Shakespeare's main source for The Winter's Tale was Robert Greene's romantic nouvella, Pandosta (1588). In Shakespeare's version, the outstanding differences are the addition of Hermione's restoration and her reunion with Perdita and Leontes, and the creation of the long pastoral episode based on Greene's brief mention of a sheep-shearing feast. Shakespeare also adds and expands several characters. Paulina is entirely Shakespeare's creation. She is Hermione's champion and protector, and the fearless accuser of Leontes' jealousy, as well as the guide of his actions and the keeper of his conscience during his period of remorse. Camillo, the poisoner and revealer of the poisoning plot, becomes the one who orchestrates the movement of all the Bohemian characters back to Sicilia. And Autolycus, who assists with this orchestration, is a magnificent and comic expansion of Greene's Capnio, an wily old servant. The most critical change is Shakespeare's creation of two separate worlds and the movement between them. Greene's Pandosta begins in Bohemia, then moves to Sicilia. However, this movement does not serve to underscore the themes of the story as it does in The Winter's Tale. Shakespeare reverses the locations and adds the return to the Sicilian kingdom. The court in Sicilia is chaotic and artificial, a cold, confining place where Leontes' jealousy can grow into an unreasonable rage which tragically destroys marriages, families, friendships, even life itself. In contrast, the kingdom of Bohemia is natural, delightfully comic and festive, a life-restoring world where Florizel and Perdita's love can blossom. In this pastoral setting, the issues of courtship and marriage are treated lightly and hold the potential for a happy resolution. The return to Sicilia unifies these contradictory worlds in a new realm of serenity and acceptance. Here, love and friendship are renewed, and faith in the spontaneous, mysterious processes of Nature is restored in one miraculous moment. This movement between Sicilia and Bohemia marks the redemptive, renewing qualities of the passage of Time, and the human journey through life-the primary themes of The Winter's Tale.
OF HARMONY AND CONTRADICTION: THE CHALLENGE OF STAGING THE WINTER'S TALE Throughout the production history of The Winter's Tale, critics and directors have been challenged by the tryptic form-how to unify and reconcile the tragic, comic, and romantic elements without sacrificing one for the others. The Winter's Tale begins as a tragedy, in which Leontes' obsessive jealousy destroys families and lives, leading him to sorrow and remorse. The second part is a comedy where the issues of love, courtship and marriage are treated lightly through song and disguise in a pastoral setting. The final part is a romance, a reunion of lovers and friends in the serene warmth of acceptance and forgiveness. Director Patrick Kelly sees The Winter's Tale and this "journey through the genres" as a mirror of human life marching on through the generations. The passage through the richly emotional Winter, to the bucolic comedy of Summer, to the resolution of Autumn represents the passing of Time, while "disturbing the deepest, darkest emotions of the human experience." In 1856, Charles Kean set his production in ancient Greece, cutting everything that clashed with the chosen period. The result was a brilliant spectacle, with emphasis on visual images rather than on excellence of acting and exploration of character. However, Kean's interpretation became the norm for productions of The Winter's Tale until the turn of the century, making it one of Shakespeare's more popular "Greek" plays. The first professional production of the play in "Elizabethan" style after 1634 was staged in 1910 by Winthrop Ames, who gave focus and unity to the passage of time through a permanent set which changed character as the seasonal elements within it changed. Granville-Barker's production in 1912 emphasized the text by opting for a much simpler and more stylized white and gold set, which, according to the critics, set the imagination roaming between past and present. This production, and subsequent Granville-Barker productions of Shakespeare, put an end to the overblown spectacles of the 19th century in which scenery dominated the text. More recently, productions of The Winter's Tale have explored the development of character, and the movement in time and location. Peter Brook's London production (1951) concentrated on character. Actor John Gielgud portrayed Leontes with romantic dignity, jealousy smoldering within him. Influenced by the idea of the dream as defined by Freud and Jung, Trevor Nunn's 1969 production by the Royal Shakespeare Company was played on a set of abstract symbols which mirrored the play's images. In this production, Leontes' Sicilia was a dreamlike, childhood world of a nursery that included a man-sized white rocking horse. In 1975, at Stratford, Connecticut, the balance swung towards symbol and allegory. The main symbol of destruction and renewal in this production was a circle which was consistently repeated in different contexts. The idea of duality was also evident in the doubling of the roles of Hermione and Perdita, and Time and the bear. At Stratford, Ontario (1986), David Williams staged the play as a fairytale adventure, with emphasis on coincidence and chance. The production included a visualization of Time and his "children" as tableau figures on a sculptural clock. The 1992 CSF production of The Winter's Tale seems, at first glance, to be firmly set in the 17th century. But only at first glance. Director Patrick Kelly describes the world of the play as one in which strange coincidences and fantastic moments are made believable. It encompasses extraordinary events "which in the doing, seem scary, but later, in the telling, have humor." This magical quality is reflected in Robert Schmidt's unit set of wooden panels, which are painted with water-colored landscapes and light. Bruce McInroy's costumes for the play draw their inspiration from the 17th century artists Rubens and Veronese. The soft, rich colors and loose, draped lines evoke the magical world of The Winter's Tale. Brian Otte's original music and Michael Wellborn's lighting further create the iridescent world of the play, described by Kelly as the "shimmering suggestion of a memory." The result is a production which embraces the play's rich, contradictory life: while exposing our fear of loss, it touches on our hope in the continuity of living and loving. Susan L. Ernest-Stengel, Dramaturg, The Winter's Tale
Bartholomeusz, Dennis. The Winter's Tale in Performance in England and America 1611-1976. Cambridge University Press, 1982. Frey, Charles. Shakespeare's Vast Romance: A Study of The Winter's Tale. University of Missouri Press, 1980.


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We have used a number of surf schools in the Baleal and Peniche areas for our smallish children over the last 3 summers. I decided in Summer '10 to try a different surf school as safety and convenience are priorities for us and I came across found the Baleal Surf Camp after an internet search - I was impressed with the website which immediately put safety of children in surf lessons as a priority ( as I was not surfing but at the shore I needed to be completely confident the children were safe) and I was also very impressed by the fast response and complete flexibility by Bruno and his staff in accomodating our varying degrees of experienced little surfers ( who had no experience in some cases) and always handling the size of group which changed over the summer as people came and went with extreme professionalism. Apart from the fact that the children and adults who tried surfing actually learnt to surf they were treated with such care and kindness by all the instructors whether they were teaching them or not. They were like a little club and everyone who works in BSC is just genuinely interested in everyone who picks up a surf or body board. Every child was made to feel really special whether they got get up on the board or not or whether they just wanted to lie on their boards and they were always made to feel like it was fun. The school is in a good position on the beach so the grown ups/other children who are watching don't have to lug bags of gear miles up the beach and are close enough to get a coffee and still see the surfing. There is a cafe as part of the school which serves good basic food, coffee, ice creams etc I don't surf but I am really happy that my children under 10 take off down the beach with 'their friends'( the instructors) and have a very healthy, independent hour or so in the water. I recommended the school to a number of other families who all had similar experiences and we will be using the school again next summer. Cliona Sherwin, 07-12-2010
We had an awesome time at Baleal surf camp!! The instructors Steven, Miguel and Daniel were great and very motivational. We are now ready to take on the surf back in Tasmania!! Thankyou for the memorable experience and i can't wait to do it all over again someday.. =D Aleida & Laura 26-11-2010
Stayed there first week of November and was surprised how good the weather was. Always a place to surf for all levels, mine is beginner. The Surf lodge was quality and everyone there was laid back enjoying the days roll by. The surf camp was really and the instructors were very knowledgeable about the area plus the obvious of surfing technique. Amazing week shame I had to go back to work cheers guys and will definitely be back soon in 2011. Machinegun Brothers ;-) 24-11-2010
I wanted to thank you and your staff for the very nice surfing time I had last week in Baleal. Especially liked the good vibe from Steven, Daniel and Miguel and the lovely weather in Peniche. Even when there was only small group of people surfing, we had an unforgettable good time. Hope I will be able to return again to Peniche in 2011. In the meantime I'm trying to convince my friends to visit Baleal surf camp sometime to experience the good time of surfing.
Had a great week.......really nice gang of permanent residents and people over for the week or whatever.............thought the yoga and surfing was a really good combination..........did the yoga early in the morning ( at 8) which at first I didnt like the sound of but actually was perfect.
The crew in Baleal were so helpful, friendly and well organised. A great thanks to Daniel, Bruno and Marcos and ofcourse a massive shout to Louis our instructor. We thought it was a great mix of theory, practice, culture and of course fun. I have to admit 4 days of surfing was enough (I might need to work on my fitness) but I could have stayed a whole lot longer. Renee, Ireland 03-11-2010
I was at Baleal for a total of one week and what a week that was! :D everyone was extremely friendly. the people at the house got along great with each other and the surfing was amazing! I had never been on a board before and although i still need some improvement, I had the best help available from the instructors there. they always motivated me to push myself more and that moment when you stand on your board for the first time is the best feeling you can imagine:) Isabel, 12-08-2010
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We stayed at Baleal Surf Camp for six days at the end of June, 2010. What a terrific holiday. The people were incredibly friendly; the prices reasonable, and we loved the fact that we could walk back and forth to the beach from our apartment. No buses, and all of the equipment you need waiting for you as soon as you walk in. Our instructor Filippe was perfect -- very patient with our children (ages 14, 12, and 9) and a great instructor. The kids were all very sad to leave, and are already begging to go back to see our new friend. Baleal Surf Camp is owned by two brothers -- Marcos and Bruno -- who were extremely professional and friendly. Thank you. Bar do Bruno was the perfect place to hang out between surf camp lessons to eat great food and talk with all of the friendly workers and students. We highly recommend the place to anyone who wants a unique and relaxing holiday. Submitted By: Bill, USA 05-06-2010
A actividade foi muito fixe. Gostámos muito dos professores Bruno, Luis, TurKo, Gabi, Steven e o Ricardo porque explicaram bem tudo e ajudaram a deslizar na prancha.
Gostámos muito de estar com a nina.
Conhecemos amigos novos e trocámos os números de telemóvel.
Ao almoço estivemos todos juntos e no fim a professora Gabi deu-nos bolachas e um gelado.
Muitos abraços e um beijinho à nina.
Gostávamos muito de repetir.
Foi um dia muito feliz e fixe
Rodolfo e Cristiana
Best holiday ever!!! Great experience for my first solo trip abroad. The house was really homely, the weather was fantastic, the beach was stunning and the surfing was brilliant despite the many wipe outs!! However, the best of all was the people I met. From the amazingly patient instructors, Luis and Stephen, to everyone who worked in the office and the other guests staying at the beach house...you made my week. I couldn't have asked for a better time so THANK YOU very, very much :o) See you next year!! xoxo Edel, Dublin. May 2010
i visited baleal surf camp back in september, and i was immediately surprised at the profesionalism, friendliness and courtesy of all the staff i met. the accomodation at the cocktail house was really comfortable and clean and only a 5 min walk from the beach. but it was the staff and the instructors that will keep me coming back to BSC for years to come. i did the intermediate course with fellipe, who was a spectacular instructor and one of the most stoked people ive ever met, he was very encouraging, knowledgable and freindly people ive ever had the pleasure of surfing with. it felt like we were always surfing with friends and at the end of the day, when all was said and done everyone would chill and have a beer, or one of thelmos awesome mojitos just like being at home with your friends. awesome job guys and thanks for everything, ill see you all again soon. Lee 13-01-2010
This was my second time in Baleal and my second surf camp.... (you may guess that I loved the first one) What to say ..... mmmmh: 1) If you don't surf TRY IT ..... a single surf camp is sufficient to become addicted 2) A special thank to each member of BSC which was very, friendly, professional, and helpful 3) I've never seen a surf competition before this trip ..... some times it may seem slow and boring .... BUT WHEN THERE ARE BIG WAVES IN SUPERTUBOS .....IT'S AN AMAZING SHOW p.s: This time I came to my accomodation by bus and i must say that public transport from Lisbon to Baleal is cheap and efficient I suggest you to do the same.
Paolo, Italy 26-11-2009
Hi All! Had a fantastic time last week and just want to thank everyone for making it such a fantastic time. The surfing is great but BSC is much more than just that. Met great people and learned lots about surfing - not just standing on a board! Thanks again and I will hopefully return soon:)
John, Ireland 06-10-2009
This was my second time i came round the camp. My first week last year was amazing in itself, so i decided to come 2 this year. 1 week was not enough, not only for the learning curve of the surf, but also leaving the place after 1 week (or more) after considering it your second home already, it is hard to leave without being cold hearted about it. This year, it all exceeded my expectations. I felt taken up in the Baleal family. The set up is just right, and i wouldn't know how they can do it possibly better. For one of the 2 weeks, I brought along 9 of my friends this year, all first time surfers, and it was amazing to watch them grow and how they were all patiently taught the joy of surf. Quality is definitely the word here. As for myself, as part of an intermediate group, i didn't only progress in just riding the waves under 'supervision' of amazing teaching, i felt like i was just surfing amongst friends. The teachers allow you to learn on your own tempo but are also keen to show and learn you about the next door you can open. I felt, being in this set up, surf opened up something. I definitely want more ocean and surf in my life and i think i will to commit to it in the long run. I believe that's the camp's ultimate goal : letting the students feel their connection with the ocean and pass it on. A lot of thx to the man with "Surf e vida" as his life motto for doing so! Ewald, 30.09.09
Ehi guys!!! Marcos, Bruno and all the staff of my amazing vacation: thanks a lot for all!! I'm sorry to didn't say you goodbye in my last night, but I was a little bit busy and I didn't have the time to come to Bruno's bar to meet everybody. You gave me one of the best experience I never had and I'm sure we will see again. Luiss, Philippe, Aquaman and all the instructors I had in my 3 weeks gave me a big passion for this sport and I hope I'll succed in grow it. So, good wave to everybody and see you soon! Ciaoooooooo!!
Costanza from Rome 25-08-2009
I had a really great holiday. Ideal location, not too touristy but still lively with all the other surfing folk around. Beach was fantastic and the surfing was ideal where we were for beginners. The classes were very good I thought, just the right balance was gained between instruction and letting you do your own thing if you wanted. The additional information on techniques and info on types of waves and rips/safety etc was also well put across which i definately appreciated.
I couldnt have asked for anything more with the beechhouse and the accommodation. Right beside the front and everything you need for relaxing with good food and cheap beer!!
I have absolutely nothing bad to say, for the price it was just perfect and id definately consider going back to the same spot again.
All the best and thanks for everything.
Declan, UK 19-09-2009
Hi Marcos
Awesome as one would expect from checking out their website!!! But it's even better then what is shown on their website! Lessons are so much fun, and the location is great for visiting other areas! And just a little warning everyone there is super sexy, so watch out!!! Stelios and Anne Canada/Norway/Greece 20/07/2009
Just thought I would send a quick email to say thanks again for a great week of surf and instruction. All of the team were very kind to us, and Turko was a really good instructor and nice guy.
Thanks again
Rob, Nick, Mark, Joe (from England) 14/06/2009
Thanks guys for such a great week at the end of May! Luis, your teaching was excellent and I've definitely been bitten by the surfing bug! And big thanks to Marco, Bruno and Andre for being great hosts. The BBQ was great and you were always friendly and helpful. Your camp rocks! I'll definitely be back again some time.
Simon, Australia. 12/06/2009
Hi guys!
Sorry I stole your key. I also tried to steal Bife but he refused to get in my backpack :)
Thanks again for such a fun week! Luis and Silvano were excellent teachers, and the surfhouse felt more like a home than a hostel. If any of you ever come to Vancouver you're invited to a BBQ at my house!
Vanessa, Canada.
Hi all!!!
First of all I want to thank you for the fantastic week we spent in your camp..
everybody agrees that it has been simply perfect.
Of course I will be visiting you again, hope it will be soon!!!
Then, I send you a link to an album where I loaded some of brendan's and my pictures, including the one with the complete group that everybody asked me..
once again, thank you very very very much...
who knows, maybe we will meet again in autumn...
michele, Italy
I just want to tell You that we all appreciated the course very much, and we were all impressed by Luis skills as an instructor. Since we all are older fat it-consultants we never thought that we would be able to stand up on the boards… J
So once again, thank You very much for an quick introduction to surfing, and I hope to visit Your surf school again in the future.
//Örjan Bredberg, Sweden
I couldn't rate the place highly enough. It really is incredible how it caters for all tpes of surfers from me an absolute beginner to your full-time surfers. The hostel is fantastic and all of the staff: Marcos, Bruno, Andre and Luis were brilliant. Baleal beach and Peniche are both fantastic places to stay and I will without doubt be booking in again before the end of the summer. It's just brilliant for anyone interested in surfing as if the staff were'nt already great at giving advice the other residents, many of whom had been there for their 3rd visit, were practically surf Guru's for their willingness to give advice.
Thanks again,
Niall, UK
Had the most amazing time in Peniche it was beautiful the surf was wow even got up on the board a few times!! Was going to even try the super tube!!!
What really made the holiday was the people i met and Marcos and crew could not have been nicer guys and for that reason alone i will defo b going back.
Thanks a million for one buz of a holiday,
Orla, Ireland
The time Brandi and I spent at Baleal Surf Camp was unforgettable! First, our lessons really paid off! With patient help from my surf instructor, I progressed from the white water to surfing unbroken waves. (Hawaii, here I come! haha.) We had fun out of the water too...sunbathing, picnicking at a vineyard, climbing fortress walls in Obidos, touring the Fatum surfboard factory, barbecuing at sunset, and (after a few Sagres) dancing at the local bars! In just two weeks there, we met many new friends (from all over the globe) at the Surf House and the welcoming staff became like family to us. We can't wait for a reunion! Sarah & Brandi, USA
Thanks to the boys at BSC, Had a great couple of days, great location, great house, awesome vibe. I probably should have hung around those extra few days for the swell... Next time! Tim Austin, Australia
What a sick place! We loved every minute spent at the camp...the Surf House, the Team and the beautiful peninsular made our trip one to remember. Thanks to the wonderful Bairros brothers and their team of surf instructors(Luis and Andre) for making us feel so welcome and at home. I'm already thinking about my next trip back there! All life comes from the ocean-get back to the womb! Kyles and Jules xxx
Hi Baleal Team, Thanks for: - Great Surf - Good Food - Cool Sagres - Reliable Airport Transfer - Awesome time CU latest next year, Jan, Switzerland
¡¡Holaaa!! He pasado unos días geniales. He disfrutado mucho del surfcamp y sobre todo de las personas tan estupendas que están por allí. Recuerdos para Bruno, Marcos, Pedro, André, Luis, ... Francis. Cáceres, Spain
Hi Marcos,
This is Silvie, we all left yesterday :(
I just wanted to write to say thank you for such an amazing week, we had an
incredible time!
I wish it could have been for longer.
The service, the lodgings and lessons were great and will def be coming back
and telling people about it.
Thank you again, you all did such an incredible job and now im addicted to
Please could you also forward my email address to Bruno, thank you.
Big hugs to everyone, we miss you all already!!
Silvie Koanda , UK
Hello Bruno!
Swedish family here, save back in Sweden, but we miss the Surfcamp
and all the fantastic people.
We had a great time with you and will surely come back soon.
In the meantime we'll tell all our friends about you and practice our
Best regards to all of you!
And tell Gabriella special hello from Jonna!
Janca, Martin, Mikka, Joel and Jonna from Sweden
Rrriina says thanks to Brrruno and co. for a great surf camp! Do u know Turkos e-mail address? We did´n have a chance to say thanks and good bye to him.
Riina from Finland
from Norway By Roar on 27-11-2008
"I would like to say thank you for two fantastic weeks in Portugal. We really loved the place, the people and the service."
Roar, Norway
thanks again By Rich & Nik, England on 14-11-2008
Just wanted to say a big thank you for your hospitality a few weeks back for me and my friend Nik at the Baleal Surf Camp. We had a great time; caught some great waves, made some great friends and drank an awful lot of Sagres. thanks again, I don't think we would've enjoyed it quite so much if it hadn't been for the laid back and easy going attitude of you guys.
I'm sure we may drop by again,
Rich & Nik, England
Just great By Dorothea on 06-08-2008
It was just GREAT! Good waves, organization, nice and friendly people.
I miss it. Work sucks....
Greez from Switzerland and hope 2 C U soon...
"hey guys! Great video! Very sweet memory of that summer...
Stay wet everybody! See ya!"
David Campomaggiore, Italy
Simply awesome By Leopoldius on 16-01-2009
Heard about this camp from a friend of mine, who told me that is was simply awesome. Hoping to sign up for july with you guys. Keep smiling, keep surfing!
Peace, love and happiness!
"I just wanted to write you we had a wunderful time in Portugal. The appartments you arranged were great, and all the seagulls you arranged for us on the island, I'll never forget.
I appreciated the Sagres and the Super bock and I think that the Portuguese wine is underestimated in the world. It's really delicious (sanghuinal or something like it; tastes like cherries)
Turko inspired us in surfing and in our attitude to life! No waves too high for us anymore. You catch them or you don't. I'm saving hair for dreadlocks now. His way of walking I"m trying to copy to impress my boss.
We all enjoyed our stay.
Telmu gave us some nice suggestions to enjoy our stay in Lisboa. And so we did. Oceanaria, Torre de Belem, CCB.
Felix, Margit, Chris, Dianneke, Albert, Holland
"Once again, it was a great week for me!!"
Gerald, Alkmaar/ Holland
Just wanted to say thank you for a great week at the Surfhouse. Also the day in Lisbon was an amazing way to end the trip, you two were the best guides to the city a tourist could wish for.
Thanks again and see you soon!
Russel French, England
Marco & Valerie, Italy
Good bye Marcos and Bruno
We would like to thank you and the whole crew of BSC for the great week spent here.
Hope to see you again.
I just wanted to send a quick email to thank all you guys at Baleal Surfcamp for making our visit to Baleal two weeks ago so memorable. Please pass on my extra special thanks to Silvano and Luis for their great lessons, their friendship, and their all-round excellence. I'm sorry that we didn't get the chance to say goodbye to them properly.
We've now caught the surfing bug in a big way, so hope to return to Baleal sometime soon. Maybe then we'll be ready to tackle Supertubos!
Brendan Plant, England
Thanks again,
Brendan Plant, UK.
Die Woche in Portugal war der Hammer. Es hat uns beiden super viel Spaß gemacht, die Surflehrer waren ja alle abgefahrene Leute die für jeden Spaß zu haben waren! Genauso wie Crew von Bruno's Bar, alle crazzzzy freundlich! Man hat sich sofort gefühlt, wie unter Freunden. Das gleiche gilt für die Jungs und Mädchen aus dem Surfhouse, mit denen wir zusammen BBQ gemacht haben und am Strand und im Wasser eine tolle Zeit hatten! Der Spot war echt ideal zum anfangen, wie ich finde - hab's dann auch das ein oder andere Mal aufs Brett geschafft. Nochmal vielen Dank für diese unvergessliche Woche! Julian & Steffen , Germany
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MADISON, Wis. - The flu is pounding Wisconsin.
State health officials said they're seeing a dramatic spike in cases and hospitalizations. Department of Health Services spokeswoman Claire Smith said as of the end of the day Jan. 4, the state had seen 2,837 cases. That's about 800 more cases than the state saw during the entire 2011-12 flu season.
Smith said as of the end of the day Thursday the department had taken reports of 1,360 flu-associated hospitalizations. That compares with 389 during all of last season.
One child has died, although Smith notes the state doesn't track influenza-related deaths in adults.
She said the state still has an ample supply of flu vaccine.


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In New York I used to spend a lot of time — for a while — shooting pool for money, when I was poor. And I would love to go out at night. I find the colours at night incredibly mysterious and beautiful. And that's of course the romantic impulse. And those dark colours — dark blue, black, grey, dark brown, dark green, greys — come from the air of the night. And the night for me is a time of great tranquillity and mystery and in a way equilibrium. I find night extremely beautiful, because it's the end of the day, but it hasn't reached the point of finality — it's before sleeping. I tend to function best in the afternoon and in the night. So my colours, I think, reflect this. They are not the colours of morning … So I think that my colour has a lot to do … with the colour in the city. The way that the buildings are painted and the way that light hitting the buildings changes them. But it's never simple colour, because I work wet into wet. I keep painting and painting and painting until I find the colour on the painting, which is why they are more or less impossible to reproduce. Because the colours are so complicated. A lot of the times I play with the colours; and what I do with them is I mix them up or pervert them to the point, where they almost lose their identity in relation to the name that they are given, because we give colours different names like blue, black, red — but there are many colours that are on the edge of these categories and these are the kinds of colours that I tend to use.
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Family: Sciuridae, Squirrels view all from this family
Description A small ground squirrel with a dorsal stripe and well defined golden hood. Head and neck may be golden brown, tawny, or russet-colored. Winter pelage is grayer.
Dimensions 245-295mm, 70-120mm, 175-350g
Habitat Alpine & subalpine habitats, Forests & woodlands, Meadows & fields, Scrub, shrub & brushlands
Range Rocky Mountains, Southwest, California, Northwest, Western Canada
Discussion Does not overlap with the larger Cascade Golden-mantled Ground Squirrel.


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By Bobby Harrison/NEMS Daily Journal Jackson Bureau
JACKSON – If Mississippi is going to receive the full benefit of the Medicaid expansion that is part of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, legislators will need to act in 2013.
Starting in 2014, under the controversial federal legislation, people earning up to 138 percent of the federal poverty level – roughly $15,000 annually – can receive health care coverage through Medicaid in states that opt to participate in the program.
For the first two years of the program, the federal government will pay 100 percent of the costs. The percentage of the coverage paid by the federal government will stair step down to 90 percent by 2020.
While states can opt in or out of the program at any time, to take full advantage of the program when the federal government is paying all the costs, legislators need to act in 2013 – presumably during the regular session that starts Jan. 8. Gov. Phil Bryant could call a special session to deal with the issue, though that is not likely because he has made it clear that he is against the expansion of Medicaid.
"I stand firm in my position that this law is bad for our nation, financially unsustainable and tramples our rights as citizens," Bryant wrote in his budget narrative. "… Personal principles aside, we just cannot afford to expand the Medicaid program."
Others claim the state cannot afford not to participate in the expansion. Ed Sivak, executive director of the Mississippi Economic Policy Center, said the expansion will benefit the state's economy by infusing literally billions of federal dollars into health care that will create thousands of jobs and by creating a healthier work force that will be a lure for companies looking to expand.
"Failure to expand places us at a competitive disadvantage," Sivak said recently.
House Appropriations Chairman Rep. Herb Frierson, R-Poplarville, said he opposes the expansion. His counterpart in the Senate, Rep. Buck Clarke, R-Hollandale, said he generally opposes the law, but wants to know more about how the federal legislation impacts Mississippi hospitals.
Under the federal law, the payments hospitals receive for uncompensated care are scheduled to be reduced over a period of time under the assumption that most people will have health care insurance either through the Medicaid expansion or through other provisions of the Affordable Care Act.
According to the Mississippi Hospital Association, about $315 million of care is not reimbursed each year to the state's hospitals after the federal payments to the state of $210 million for uncompensated care.
Clarke said there might be a court challenge to the federal government's plan to phase out the payments for uncompensated care. But if the payments are not restored to the hospitals, it could mean pressure on legislators to reconsider the Medicaid expansion.
"I opposed Obamacare from the beginning, and I continue to believe the state cannot afford an expansion of Medicaid," said Republican Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves. "I am meeting with health care providers to learn exactly how this law will impact them."
Reeves said there are still many unknowns and the federal government is still crafting the regulations to enforce the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.
"The Senate will not rush to a decision until more facts are known," he said.
Rep. Steve Holland, D-Plantersville, said even if the Republican leadership kills legislation dealing with the issue in committee, he believes there will bills that will make it to the floor that can be amended to include the expansion. Holland said he will offer those amendments.
"I want to force the members to go to the board to vote green or red on this," he said. "We need to debate it. It is too important to the people. It is too important to the economy of this state."
The Medicaid program in Mississippi provides health care coverage to poor pregnant women, poor children, the disabled and certain segments of the elderly population. Currently, about 740,000 Mississippians are covered by Medicaid or by the Children's Health Insurance Program, which provides coverage to a segment of the working poor.
For people covered by the existing Medicaid in Mississippi, the federal government pays about 74 percent of the costs, though it pays a smaller percentage of the administrative costs.
One study commissioned by Bryant's Division on Medicaid said under the expansion, between 220,000 and 370,000 new enrollees will be added to the program at a cost to the state of between $609 million and $1 billion during the 2014-20 time frame.
Sivak points out the study concedes that many of those costs are because of mandates in the law that the state must comply with whether it expands Medicaid or not.


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It's not just the power source you have a problem with, it's the whole device. There is no hard and fast data to prove that any electronics will actually last that long. At the very least you'd need some kind of hermetically sealed container to have a good chance of working preservation, IF you had confidence in a reliable power source.The chances are that one of the crucial link components will fail way before that 100 year period is up.Without some form of regular check and maintenance, I'm doubtful you'd get anywhere near the longevity you require.
leftyI would be surprised if today's consumer electronics lasted more than 20 years. As the old saying goes: "They don't make 'em like they used to."
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QuoteSolar for the win.Not in the UK - we haven't seen the damn thing for months.
Doesn't matter, solar for 100 years is a no go. Lighting strike, vandals steals the panel or paints it black, etc. Same for wind generation. The whole assembly must be self contained and sealed up securely. He did state " time capsule " now didn't he?Lefty
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Happy New Year...sit...stay...back!
A friend of mine just lost his golden and is looking for a really nice urn. Would you be interested? I can't think of any better out there, you do fantastic work.
Michael ("Gooser"),
You don't know me, I'm just a dumb dawg guy from western Washington that reads some RTF on occasion.......
Would post more myself if I wasn't so dyslexic & typing challenged.
Anyway, I was remembering you posting some pictures of some inlaid boxes you maid.
Well my wife & I recently lost our son to a drug overdose & I was wondering if could commission you to build a small (detail inlaid) box we could put his ashes in. Sorry if I'm off base on this.
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Goose I by no means do have the proper experience to give advise on many things here ,but the pro I work with started of at web foot kennels and then worked for Lyle Steinman for 8 years before returning home and going on his own,I think it is sometimes best to pick one person to mentor instead of trying to take advise from several, kinda like using Lardy and Graham at the same time. He has really helped me in my line manners and now I'm running some nice dogs for him on the 5 leg just to get line time and he will stand directly behind me and give me a play by play on what to do next.This is just a thought but maybe pick one of the trainers you train with and try to get more one on one time away from the group,not saying they aren't all good but sometimes to much advise will over whelm me ,so this works best for me.Have a good day !
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Sustainability is focus of lecture series
April 8-22, 2008, 7:30 p.m. · 10 East Pyne
Posted March 27, 2008; 01:16 p.m.
"Going Green? The Science and Practice of Conservation and Sustainability" is the theme of the Maclean House Lecture Series sponsored in April by the Office of the Alumni Association.
Faculty members from various departments will talk about current initiatives and theories on the topics of global warming, energy conservation and sustainability practices. The co-founders of TerraCycle, an environmentally friendly fertilizer business started by Princeton students in 2001, also will present a talk.
The lectures, which are open to the public, will be held at 7:30 p.m. on the following Tuesdays in 10 East Pyne:
- April 8: "Technology and Policy for Living in a Greenhouse" by Robert Socolow, professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering.
- April 15: "The Importance of Carbon Burial in Electricity Generation" by Michael Celia, professor and chair of civil and environmental engineering.
- April 22: "Eco-Capitalism and the Power of Worm Poop" by TerraCycle co-founders Tom Szaky and 2005 alumnus Jon Beyer.


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Family: Tyrannidae, Tyrant Flycatchers view all from this family
Description ADULT Has dark gray-brown upperparts overall. Wings and tail are mostly blackish, but note pale wing bars and pale fringes to secondaries and tertials. Underparts are graybrown overall, palest on throat and grading to whitish on belly and vent. JUVENILE Similar, but brighter-looking with buffy wing bars and fringes to inner flight feathers.
Dimensions Length: 6 1/2" (17 cm)
Habitat Widespread and common, but declining summer visitor (mainly May-Sep) to open woodland. Winters in northern South America.
Observation Tips Easy to see.
Range California, Southwest, Rocky Mountains, Texas, Alaska, Plains, Western Canada, New England, Northwest
Voice Utters a piercing, downslurred psee-err.
Similar Species Eastern Wood-pewee C. virens (L 6-6.5 in) is almost identical; separate using summer range (much of eastern North America, barely overlapping with Western's range) and song (tri-syllabic pee-err-wee). Plumage is paler than Western, with more obvious wing bars, and orange on lower mandible.
Discussion Slimmer and longer-tailed than Olive-sided Flycatcher, with more pronounced wing bars and uniformly olive-brown breast (without central white line bordered by dark "vest"). Compared to Willow and Alder Flycatchers, darker overall, with less striking wing bars and relatively longer wings (extending well beyond rump when perched). Legs are dark and bill is mostly dark, but with dull orange base to lower mandible. Makes aerial sorties after flying insects, from perch at mid-tree level (lower than Olivesided Flycatcher). Sexes are similar.


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Call your band the BIG DISAPPOINTMENTS and you win both ways: if you suck, it's truth in billing; if you don't, it's just a clever bit of irony. Eric Boomhower, who used to drum for the IN OUT, played under the Big Disappointments name as a joke back in 1999, then abandoned it. He picked it up again last year when, as a singer-songwriter, he made the switch to fronting a new version of the band with In Out bassist Andy Abrahamson aboard on guitar: "I reused the name because everybody liked it." One person who especially liked what bassist Jon Littlefield calls their "swamp rock" was THALIA ZEDEK: the former Come/Uzi singer/guitarist was their co-producer on their homonymous debut. "We like that jagged, angular, aggressive-but-melodic sound," says Boomhower. The Big Disappointments, who have now been a fully functioning foursome for a year, celebrate the release of the CD with a show at P.A.'s Lounge in Somerville on June 29 with the Leftovers, the Octave Museum, and the Gondoliers.
JEFF BREEZE — a Phoenix contributor best known for hosting WMBR's Pipeline! — has joined the Middle East booking team and is aiming to key in on local talent for the upstairs room. Says the club's main booker, Kevin Hoskins: "I think there are more bands in existence now than ever have been before. It takes a lot to focus on that. Jeff's happy to coordinate a lot of the Boston bands and keep it all together." Hoskins also notes that MySpace has replaced the demo tape in terms of bands getting music to clubs. "In some ways, it makes it easier to listen to more bands, as bands are updating MySpace pages more often than their Web sites. But does it make it easier to distinguish the good ones? No." Middle East co-owner Joseph Sater adds that the worst part of booking a club is having to "say no to so many people."
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