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Drift Fishing Correctly with Fly/Spin Rod: #2
The Perfect Drift
Drift Fishing Correctly with Fly/Spin Rod:
(Providing your rigging is correct)
Correct speed of drift:
Imitating an egg-nymph dead drifting along the bottom at the same rate of speed as the water column is imperative to successfully hooking up. This is achieved by looking where you?re mono butt section enters the water. It should be moving slightly slower than the surface current. This matches the bottom current speed close enough. Making your offering look real enough to even the Smartest fish.
Jim Rusher once told me that in the wintertime it is sometimes advantageous to slow your drift down even further. This allows the lethargic fish time to move slightly for what it thinks is an easy meal.
Correct depth of drift:
When I first cast into a new piece of water my first question is how deep. This determination is achieved by raising or lowering rod tip until light ticking of weight on bottom rocks is felt. The next step for me is to look at the distance between the surface of the water and end of fly line. (I prefer to run an 8-11ft. -butt section of 8lb. test straight mono for steelhead, so fly line never touches the water on the drift.) By this distance between fly line and water I know exactly where it should be on each successive cast. Allowing me to set up immediately for each additional cast to achieve the perfect drift. The next question I ask myself is am I weighted correctly?
Visual and non-visual characteristics of line:
When drift fishing correctly the line between tip of rod and weight should be a straight line. If you try to dead drift with a bow in your line, you not only create additional drag which speeds up your drift making your fly look unnatural but also makes for a lot of unnecessary snags on bottom. With out a straight line (slack) your weight is simply slogging along the bottom looking for the quickest and easiest rock to call home for good. A lot of the time if you have slack in your line you will not feel the ticking sensation due to the vibrations not being transferred up through the line. Remember; with line straight from tip of rod to weight you will be lightly tapping the tops of the rocks. Cutting down on drag, giving it a more natural drift and getting hung-up on bottom less.
Angle of rod tip to line:
To achieve a maximum dead drift and cut down on snags the rod tip should be directly over the line. If rod tip is in front of line then you will be prematurely initializing the swing. Also, if weight runs into structure, you will be pulling it into it and creating a worse snag than of rod tip was over line and twitched directly up and over obstruction.
Pre-setting and setting of hook:
This has been covered in previous posts. One thing I would like to add is whenever you set and find nothing there. Don't return your rod to its original position unless you draw up the slack. If rod is replaced to its original angle you'll end up fishing with a bow (slack) in your line because when you set you brought your weight closer to you. Getting hung-up will normally follow.
Common Problems:
If you ever catch yourself bouncing you rod tip constantly on the drift, (more than 3-6 inches) 4 things could be happening.
1. To much weight. Solution- Lighten-up or you'll be getting hung-up all day. I keep 8 different sized bags of split shot with me to achieve the perfect drift, no matter where I'm fishing.
2. Slack (bow) line from tip of rod to weight. When bouncing the rod excessively you are simply picking the weight up and off a rock, dropping your tip back to its original position and letting the weight return to the snag filled bottom below only to get caught up again. Solution- Return and re-read, Correct depth of drift, Characteristics of line from tip to weight, Pre-setting and setting of hook.
3. You are setting the hook on the subtle pauses and hesitations, instead of pre-setting with 3-6 inch twitch of the rod tip. Remember; if you do set the hook and come up empty then remove the slack by pulling
additional line in.
4. You are obviously fishing in snag heaven, loaded with big rocks and boulders. Solution- keep fishing because these areas hold unpressured fish. In November the steelies love to hold in 3-5 feet of rippled,
pocket water. Fast moving water with big boulders is steelhead heaven. Normally these areas are not fished heavily by seasoned anglers because you will spend a fair potion of the day retying. Most guides avoid these areas like the plague. But sometimes the fishing can be "Outstanding".
Besides all the other pieces of the puzzle we have covered and will cover, hopefully these tips will help you all to be more in tune with your drift fishing. Putting all of this together consistently will put you into the 10% that catch 90%of the fish!
Happy Hookin:
Randy Jones
I am of the swinging school of steelheading, and have done very well over the years in the pacific northwest. With all due respect drift fishing is not fly fishing, and vice-versa. Call me a purist, but I only fly fish for steelhead. In fact drift techniques are illegal on fly fishing sections of western steelhead rivers.
I realize the adoption of traditional fly fishing in the great lakes is growing very slowly, for a number of reasons. I think in some regions the fishing is focused on fish already on the redds, sadly. The waters are very cold and the fish are dour. But IMHO the #1 factor preventing real flyfishing in the GL is lack of confidence. With preseverence, people figure out how to present the fly to fish and will get good swinging flies. I am not judging those who chuck n duck, I am only saying fly fishing is one thing and drift fishing is quite another.
So my question: Do many people swing flies on the Salmon River? Does everyone still stand in one spot instead of rotating through? Do you think it would be worth my while to come out or should I just fly out to the west where I know I can get a pull on the line with a traditional presentation on my spey rod?
Thanks in advance
Swinging flies
Hi Juro,
Hope all is well. Yes, a fair number of anglers swing flies and do traditioanl fly fishing with success.
After you have experienced out
West, I think you would be disappointed up here.
The local economoy could use your $$, but I'd go where the vista's and fish are more wild and come to a fly better. (In my opionion)
Best Fish's,
Feel free to delete this and all post's I just made. No hard feelings, no biggy. I just feel that these sites are a source for the free exchange of information and by adding good substance- bring's more viewers to your site. This helps the local economoy and also any sales you might be offering iff your web site. Content = more viewers. More viewers = hopefully more sales. Its one thing to be a paid advertiser and another to take hours out of my day to write report's, educational articles to help your viewers. And in exchange only add my url. The viewer wins!
Again, no hard feelings if you should decide to delete everything, just felt like shareing, thats all.
May all your door knobs smell of grossly over sized bass and steelhead.
Randy Jones
I ask those questions because unlike so many sites who call themselves flyfishing sites but have little content to support it, this is truly a fly fishing site.
As far as posting, we've worked this out once before but for good measure, as long as you are not putting direct hyperlinks to non-sponsors (like outermost) or commercially promoting non-sponsors, then the advice and wisdom you offer is valuable and appreciated.
I for one know how good of a fisherman you are, having fished in the same waters as you for many summers. Just don't tell everyone too much ok buddy? Just kidding, you've been more than generous with your knowledge.
I hope you do continue to offer your fishing insights within the policies that Dana Sturn, myself and the committee of moderators set for this site.
See you on the flats soon (can't be soon enough for me!)
"In fact drift techniques are illegal on fly fishing sections of western steelhead rivers". orig posted by juro.
hello juro. could you elaborate some on this? what is good to go & what is not? (use/placement of weight, weighted flies, ect)
would like to get a western prospective. (from a now eastern resident)
thanks, SG
WA is excellent about getting the regs detailed, although some of the wordings are ambiguous on certain regions, etc.
Here is more than you could ever want to get for perspective on their regs:
Look under selective fishery fly fishing only
In the PNW, drift fishermen abound but do not use fly rods and do not call it fly fishing. The majority of drift anglers use drift gear, which is predominately level wind reels on 8.5 foot trigger handled rods, or spinning rods. Most use extruded lead or slinkies to drift corkies or bait or a combination along the bottom of the river, bringing the offering to the nose of the fish.
Fly fishermen do not use weights on the line and swim the fly over the fish getting them to move to the fly and strike it. It's not as easy as drift fishing but with practice it can be deadly.
One needs to think differently about the water to fish, and the techniques to use. Where drift fishing concentrates on breaking down the resistance of generally dour fish sitting in concentrated groups, swinging a fly focuses on covering a lot of water effectively and really working the dynamics of the flow and structure to present the active fly to aggressive fish.
Granted the frigid temperatures of the midwest and east create more instances of dour holding fish, they are still moving toward the headwaters and active enough to grab a fly if presented properly.
There is a fairly steep learning curve to reach proficiency but the satisfaction of reaching that level is indescribable and not measured so much by the fish hooked but equally in the skill of the angler.
Eventually the angler reaches a new level of proficiency and has the ability to catch fish consistently with beautifully tied spey flies and in summer months surface flies on dry lines, all on the swing.
I understand how the general approach gravitates toward drift fishing with fly rods, as there is no real separation and the fly water permits it. If the fly water regs prohibited the use of weights and people started having to swing flies in the fly water, the crafty anglers of the region would quickly become proficient with these more traditional techniques. But as long as people are allowed to chuck and duck in fly water, stand on one rock all day, the advances in these techniques will remain unrealized, IMHO.
The short story - see the river differently, fish different water, and relate to the fish in ways unconventional to the drift angler and eventually it will all come together.
Think of the drift boater pulling plugs. Is he fishing a weighted little nymph close to the bottom? Nope, he is running a vibrating glorified bass plug in neon colors through the same pool and banging big steelhead. What does that tell us?
Thanks for asking.
Randy, I think you have good info there. I thinkl everyone has a point. In fact a dead drift is not the easiest thing to accomplish and is consuidered a traditional tecnique. I have been fishing the great lakes for many years and I have seen the transition. Most of the time our waters are overcrowded with many lead chuckers. .... hopefully more posts like this will bring better info to those who need to respect the guy fishing next to them. I checked out your siye...great site.
Thanks --Keith B.
Bears Den Woodshop
"Fly Tying Furniture, Tying Stations and Accesories"
The bias for big river fly fishing continues alive and well.
Exactly why were Washington fly anglers disappointed when the Hoko was deemed fly only water instead of the Hoh? The Hoko is poor water for swinging flies, period. No amount of angler effort or attitude will change the relative merits of the Hoh vs Hoko as swinging rivers.
If you want to swing flies, then buy the airplane ticket out west... and target big rivers with wild fish. Avoid the Hoko and its small stream brethren. For that matter, avoid your own local small rivers. Stay home. If PNW fishes who prefer to swing flies avoid the Hoko, then it only stands to reason that you should avoid your local rivers for their same shortcomings. Besides, none of us "fly fish" those small rivers anyway, we just tie our intruders a little light and put the weight on the line instead.
exhibit A: cheek. insert tounge here.
I'll take a nice summer day at home to practice casting anytime over the option of frozen death in upstate NY. As one who fished the upstate NY rivers for 6 years, yet avoided the Salmon River with a passion, I understand your dilemma. But for me, crowds are/were the issue, not spatially dispersed Intruders.
loco_alto you make several points that i think are on the money for GL tribs. to start with the words "big river" have alot of weight. thats something we are on short supply of here.
with the pressure some areas recieve sometimes the only logical choice would be to fish the hoko instead of the hoh. or in my case secret creek#12055 vs. the big manistee. for the same reason you stated, "crowds".
juro, i wish you had a half day to spare for a drift down the world renowned "pere marquette". if you had an hour to spare while you were here for the M.O. clave and needed a chuckle, its just a short hop north. i would hazard the guess that it would qualify as a "nice little creek" by western standards.
i envy the western residents of this board. hearing freds temp quotes of 50 some degrees in oreg, while i'm looking at single digets on both sides of zero as the norm. (big heat wave right now, its up in the teens)
while i'm trying to get more towards traditional methods i probably wont ever be far from some sort of weight. my idea of fly fishing here revolves more around the line on the spool & the casting methods employed. if using a traditional taper line and casting overhead, roll, or spey, i think that qualifies as "fly fishing". if the spool is loaded with running line, mono, or amnesia, with a gob of shot, slinky, or pencil, propelled by a "lob" then it certainly is drift fishing. i wont say i don't do some(less every year) of that, but its on conventional tackle. i gave up on pretense a long while back.
even lani waller promoted the use of lead twist ons in his trophy steelhead fishing vidio from 3M, filmed on the babine. SG
Good points by all, but in the end drift fishing is drift fishing, and fly fishing is fly fishing and n'er the twain shall meet. For me, and this is a personal view, the pretense is in drift fishing with fly gear and calling it fly fishing.
I built this site to be different from the "flyfishing" sites that are not really that, and with all due respect let's stick to flyfishing here.
I agree that if a person chooses to use weight to get a deeper swing, propelling the cast with the force of a shock wave in the line verses the weight of the object on the end of the leader, using only artificial lure tied by someone's hand on a hook with materials commonly known as a "fly" - then it can be called flyfishing - but I also maintain (subjectively) that putting weight on a leader is cheating
The beauty of flyfishing is to overcome the temptation and become victorious by one's mastery of the technique. But then again beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Re: Information
Randy describes the technique as the "ticking of weight" on the bottom. This is not dead-drifting a fly, this is drift fishing.
Dead drifting a fly is usually a fly fishing term applied to dry flies (e.g. "drag free") and is also used for wets and nymphs using line control to manage the drift and visual contact with the line to signal a strike, not tap-tap-tap of lead on the rocks, which is the definition of drift fishing.
In fact the most deadly approach to drift fishing can be observed in the pacific northwest using "drift rods" which are coupled with level-wind reels that allow the monofilament to slip under the thumb, extending the drift to 100 yards down the current if desired without flipping bail arms to feed or set the hook.
I have no problems with these approaches, I am just calling a spade a spade - these are drift fishing techniques, not traditional dead-drift flyfishing, in my humble opinion.
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There are 2 issues we face on our MW rivers.
First and foremost is the makeup of 90% of our waters. Most of it is pocket water. Short deep runs where one must get down fast. How do you do that effectively? I shudder typing these words, chuck n duck. That style of fishing has a downside, it promotes snagging. Way too easy to run your fly into the fishes mouth or other parts. But if done by an etichcal fisherman he can and will score some nice fish.
Second issue is our fish are not the same as the PNW's. From what many have told me the PNW fish are a different lot. More prone to come to a swung fly or surface presentation. Every GL Steelhead and Salmon started out as a hatchery fish. Even tho it was years ago in some cases. Yes at times Steel will come to a swung fly or a surface presentation. It does happen, just not as much as the PNW.
Why is that? Is it our fishes habits or our habits. Stuck in one mode of presentation. You would like to think that over the years the hatchery has been bred out of our fish. If that is the case then it must be us.
Just to be 100% clear, I am not down on fishing on any kind as long as it's not with gillnets. Drift fishing is d-e-a-d-l-y on steelhead, no two ways about it. There is a lot of skill involved in every type of fishing.
I love to fish for pacific halibut with a 4/0 Penn Senator holding 100# dacron, lowering a 30oz lead ball with a horse herring on 100# steel leader on 10/0 Gamakatsus in 240-300 ft of water off the British Columbia coast. Thump. Thump. WHOA!
But I won't call it fly fishing that's all. It's what it is, and it's all good!
making sure
Juro, I saw that my message was reposted on your reply. I want to make sure that I havn't broken any rules of engagement here. I want to enjoy the board for a long time. If I came off like I was trying to use this as a commercial forum I am sorry. I did not mean to spam if I ion fact did so.
Thanks>Keith B>
"Fly Tying Furniture, Tying Stations and Accesories"
Last fish I caught on the Catt (typical GL pocket water fishing) was taken on a swung wet. However, had I used the typical PNW rig of a weighted tip, I woudn't have had a prayer. I was using a floating line, a single hander, about 12' of mono, and three BB shot above the tippet knot -- no indicator. I'd DS cast the fly slightly upstream, then use the rod tip to steer the fly around a boulder, take off pressure to let it drop into the chute, then swung across the current just behind the boulder. She hit just as the fly swung into the frog water.
Sinktips are fine on the Grand (ON) and the Saugeen (ON) as these rivers have plenty of swing water. You can find swing water on the Catt (NY), the Credit (ON), and 18 Mile (NY) but more often than not, the fish are in the pocket water. So you have a choice -- do you swing in the unproductive water or or clip on a few BBs and fish the pockets where you'll catch something.
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Asian Catfish: A Primer
Asia. The Orient. Land of mystique and spices.
And home to a dazzling number of catfish, from tiny dwarves to meter-long monsters. Some have special needs in the aquarium. Some need aquariums as large as your living room. In this primer, you'll see what you're likely to run into at fish stores, and learn how to keep them.
Perhaps the most misunderstood and miskept Asian catfish is Kryptopterus minor, the Glass Catfish.
Native of the Sungai Pinoh river system in Borneo, the Glass Catfish earns its common name for its transparent flesh. All can be seen other than the organs, which are enclosed in a silvery sac near the head. Two long, white barbels arch over gracefully from the corner of the fish's mouth.
Glass Catfish top out at a shade over 3 inches.
Glass Catfish need four things to thrive. First, they must be kept in groups; a dozen or more is the best display. The numbers give them security and thus a much longer life in the aquarium. Second, they need current. Glass catfish hail from very clear, swift water in rock-strewn stream. While they are fine with the flow from a power filter, they would enjoy a power head installed at one end of the tank. In such a set up and with decent light their bodies glisten in blues and greens as they ripple in the current.
Thirdly, they MUST have calm, passive tankmates. Rasboras are ideal. Dwarf goramy group; one male to three to five females, would be good tankmates for your Glass Cats.
Cichlids are out, as Glass Catfish are very easily bullied. Chose tankmates very carefully.
Fourth, Glass Catfish do best in planted tanks, as do the Rasboras and the Goramies. Planted tanks are also inherently more stable, which the catfish must have as they are very sensitive to high Nitrate levels. The plants also give them security, and are the place they will retire to at night.
Feeding Glass catfish can be a bit of a challenge, as they have small mouths. Tiny pellets designed for tetras can be a staple, but the catfish may be shy about eating them at first before they learn the pellets are food. Live food like Daphnia are very beneficial to them; the frozen alternative may work. Frozen black mosquito larvae are a beneficial choice. Experiment with small foods until you see what your Glass Catfish school will take.
Glass Catfish do best in bright, clean water near neutral in pH and moderately soft to moderately hard. Seventy-seven degrees is ideal.
Once established in sympathetic surroundings, Glass Catfish are deceptively hardy and can live for between 5 and 7 years in aquariums.
Books have had the species name of Glass Catfish incorrect for decades. Kryptopterus bicirrhis is more than twice as large as K. minor and isn't as transparent. It's doubtful you'll ever see them for sale.
Their attractive brown-golden bodies lure many unknowing fish keepers into purchasing the Sun Catfish - Horabagrus brachysoma.
A native of the Southern India district of Karnataka, Sun Catfish have but one fault; they grow to nearly 18 inches long. At that size tankmates must be chosen with great care. Sun Cats basically ignore fish too large to eat, but they will eat fish that fit in their capricious mouth.
For the large, planted aquarium in the hundred gallon range or larger, the Sun Catfish can be ideal. They have a personality and character that must be seen to believe. A planted tank should be built with the prospective Sun Cat in mind, as they must have areas scaled to their size where they can retreat to when they feel the need.
Floating plants added over the main swimming area at the front of the tank will encourage your Sun Cat to be seen nearly all day. Sun Cats do best at temperatures between 75 and 77 degrees.
One must provide the hiding places and plants, as Sun Cats can suddenly panic and rush about madly if disturbed.
Sun Cats appreciate some moderate linear current in their tanks, and they will be far more active if you provide it.
Sun Catfish will happily eat what you feed them, and they prefer meaty foods. Insect larvae, either live or frozen, are ideal, as are earthworms, live or frozen shrimp, and white fish flesh. A suitably-sized high grade pelleted food, or better, two or three brands of them, can be the staple foods. Sun Cats are also excellent cleaners, and will comb your substrate for tidbits almost constantly.
If the tank is large enough, in the hundreds of gallons, Sun Cats can and should be kept in groups, say four or more. Breeding is unknown, but I suspect that's due to not many having the facilities large enough to keep a group of them.
On a more sober note, Sun Cats are an endangered species in the species' natural range, as over-fishing. pollution, and construction have made the clean water they enjoy more and more rare. The other Horabagrus, the smaller H. nigricollaris (11 inches) is critically endangered and populations of this fish have been reduced by 70 percent over the last three years.
H. brachysoma's future is assured, as it is an important food fish in India, and are thus farmed. H. nigricollaris is relatively rare in the hobby.
As nigricollaris are darker, attractive fish, and smaller in total length than Sun Cats, it would be a worthy endeavor to dedicate an aquarium to them in an attempt to captive breed these endangered fish.
A true giant and all too available in shops are Pangasius hypophthalmus; the Iridescent Shark.
A native of the large waterways of Thailand, Laos, Viet Nam and Kampuchea, Iridescent Sharks are one of the common fishes in pet shops, but very, very few fish keepers have the facilities to keep a school of at least five specimens, for the simple reason they grow very large; more than 50 inches long. And as they are a schooling catfish, an aquarium must be of truly prodigious dimensions to keep the fish properly.
The vast majority of fishkeepers should leave these catfish at the pet store.
Iridescent Sharks are river fish, thus the prospective keeper is obligated to provide a moderate linear current though the tank to mimic the natural environs of the fish. Live plants planted around the back and sides of the tank and large pieces of driftwood will help your Iridescent Sharks feel secure, and can keep them from dashing around madly when frightened. Instead of crashing into the glass and injuring themselves, they can take shelter among the plants and driftwood. A few floating plants can be provided so the Iridescent Sharks can take shelter from the light if they wish to.
Iridescent Sharks are most comfortable and disease resistant in bright, neutral to slightly acid water that's moderately soft to moderately hard. Ideal temps are the mid-70's Fahrenheit; these fish do not do well above 79 degrees. They are very sensitive to high Nitrate levels; under 20 ppm is best, though one can invest in a Nitrate Reactor to keep Nitrate at zero ppm.
Iridescent Sharks are easily fed. They like crustaceans and vegetables. White fish flesh can be fed as a treat, as can earthworms. A variety of high-grade pelleted foods can be staple; get at least one that's primarily a meaty food, and one that's designed for herbivores; those that have large amounts of kelp and Spirulina.
As larger fish will happily eat smaller ones when the occasion presents itself, tankmates for a school of Iridescent Sharks must be chosen with great, great care. Despite their size, Iridescent Sharks are very easily intimidated, so finding fish that grow too large to eat and won't bother the catfish can be a challenge.
Iridescent Sharks can live for more than 20 years properly kept.
At the other end of the size spectrum and well worth seeking out are the Hummingbird Catfish - Rama chandramara.
Also called the Gold Shadow and the Hovering Catfish, these diminutive natives of India and Bangladesh top out at 2 inches. Ideal for the planted aquarium - and it's in these tanks these catfish do best - make it ideal to keep with Rasboras and Dwarf Goramies. Rama is by nature shy, and a school of Rasboras acting normally makes the catfish far more visible. Rama is happiest in a group of five or six, or more of it's fellows.
Rama earns its common names for its habit of hovering over the substrate, rapidly moving its ventral fins humming-bird like as the catfish looks with its large eyes for tidbits. The Gold Shadow common name refers to the catfish's partially transparent, deep yellow tinged, body.
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Rama need high Oxygen levels to truly thrive; at last 8 mg/l should be available at all times. Well-planted aquariums with Co2 injection should have no problem maintaining high Oxygen levels, but aireation should be employed at night to keep your catfish healthy and happy. Rama does best in water between pH 6.0 and 7.0, and moderately soft. Temps should be between 75 and 78. The tank should be very well filtered, as Rama rarely tolerate dissolved toxins like high Nitrate, which is another reason they do best in planted tanks, as established planted aquariums rarely if ever have Nitrate problems.
Ramas forage the substrate head down, but cruise normally after sinking pellets or Daphnia. As for food they should suit the catfishes' small size. Small worms, either live or frozen, are favorites. Prepared foods are usually rejected for some time before they learn they are food. High-grade pellets fed to the Rasboras usually gets it into the Ramas' heads that the pellets are food, but be patient with them, as the catfishes usually come around.
If you wish to culture small worms to feed to your Hummingbird Cats, contact me for culturing information.
To my knowledge these fish have yet to be successfully bred in the home aquarium.
Even smaller and just as charming as above are the Two Spot Catfish; Mystus bimaculatus of Sumatra.
This is one fish the common name in no way does this little fish justice. A warm, peachy gold body with a jet black spot behind the gills and another at the base of the tail describe this little fish, which tops out at 1.5 inches. Mystus means mustache in Latin, as Mystax, and describes the barbels of this fish, as several pairs sprout from the corners of its mouth
There are but two caveats in keeping the 2 Spot Cats. They MUST be kept in very well planted tanks. They also need soft, acidic water; no higher than pH 7.0. Temps between 74 and 80 degrees are fine.
Native to the peaty swamps of Sumatra, filtration through peat moss is very helpful. 2 Spot Cats like company of their fellows, so feel free to keep six or more of them.
On the great plus side is they eat most suitably-sized fish foods. Pelleted foods can be staple, but vary them. Frozen foods like bloodworms are a favorite, as are live worms and Daphnia. Those foods should be fed three or four times a week. Feed your catfish small meals two or three times a day.
These catfish are ideal tankmates for Glass Catfish, Rasboras and smaller anabatoids. The larger Pearl Goramies are also good tankmates for the catfish.
A very charming species, one of my favorite Asian catfish.
Breeding can be achieved if the tank they are kept in has peat as a substrate and the catfish are the only occupants of the tank. Females are obviously filled with eggs due to their girth. A cooling partial water change of 20 percent with filtered rainwater, distilled or reverse osmosis water usually triggers breeding. The eggs fall into the peat, where the parents can't get them.
The acid in the peat provide the enzymes to allow the eggs to hatch in about two days. The fry usually appear on the substrate two days later. I was able to raise about half of the fry on Rotifers and microworms as first foods the single time I bred them.
Often mistaken for the African version when small, the Asian Upside Down Catfish is our next species.
Mystus leucophasis, a jet black beauty, is a true upside down species as it spends most of its time inverted. Gold flecks sparkle from the sides of mature fish. A fan of barbels surround the mouth.
Asian UD Cats do reach a foot long and can eat fish nearly 3/4s its size, so tankmates should be chosen with care, lest they be eaten. Avoid slow moving fish, as they will be harassed. Fish like adult Tinfoil Barbs are ideal tankmates as they grow larger than the catfish.
Though it prefers bright, neutral water, the catfish is highly adaptable, as long as you avoid extremes of hardness and pH. Mid-70's to 80 degrees are the Asian UD Catfishes' best temperature range.
Asian UD Cats are hearty eaters, and will happily take whatever you give them. Meaty foods, like white fish flesh, are preferred, as are small crustaceans like shrimp. Vegetable-based foods should be give two or three times a week. A high-quality pelleted food should be the staple.
Each catfish needs its own cave or PVC pipe to call home, so be sure to provide multiple hidey holes for each one, or there will be fighting over choice real estate. Otherwise, a perfectly peaceful fish.
To my knowledge they haven't been bred in home aquariums. The vast majority of those available are commercially farmed in Asia.
Nearly a duplicate of their South American brethren, the Asian Bumblebee Catfish is our next species.
Pseudomystus siamensis, a native of the slow, weed-choked sections of the Bangpakong River in Thailand, have but a single fault: they are very much nocturnal fishes. They can be reformed a bit when they learn that food is given during the day, but their nature is to forage at night.
Thus, it's a good idea to drop in a few pellets for your catfish about an hour or two after lights out. They can, however, be trained to eat in the day in time. A worthwhile endeavor, considering its looks.
Asian Bumble Cats, which reach six inches, sport a chocolate brown body bisected by five or six whitish to, in exceptional examples, golden yellow broad stripes. Two long, curled, barbels sprout from the corners of the mouth like a dandy's mustache. Four pairs of smaller whiskers come from the nasal area and are behind the long ones. The colors of this fish get more and more intense as it ages, and adults can be simply stunning in their rich chocolate and brilliant gold. Even the lateral line can be golden.
The natural diet for these fish are insect larvae and small crustaceans, so it should be duplicated as much as possible in captivity at LEAST three times a week. Worms, either live or frozen, are appreciated. A quality, meaty, pelleted food should be staple. One must make sure their Bumblebee cat gets his share of food, as though they forage steadily, their eye sight isn't the best, and it takes them a bit of time to find it by scent and through the whiskers.
Asian Bumblebees are ideal for the larger planted tank, and they do best in them. They do prefer the same waters that the plants do; slightly acid and moderately soft, though the catfish is adaptable as long as extremes are avoided. They must have a pitch dark cave to call their own, or they are nervous, uncomfortable fish. A suitably-sized cave in a large piece of driftwood is ideal, as it mimics their home. They don't seem to like stone structures as caves, in my experience. Every one I've had headed right for the driftwood when added to the tank, and all of them excavated deep caves under the wood. That being dangerous, as the wood can shift and crush the catfish, it's better to carve out a cave in the wood. Just make sure it's deep and very dark.
They can also be the catfish for the temperate, 72 degree tank. They don't do well over 78 degrees.
As they are nocturnal and will eat small fishes it finds on it's patrols, it behooves one to stock their planted tank with fishes that grow to over 2.5 inches.
A neat fish to have. Recommended.
Though simply a Chestnut brown, Mystus castaneus, the Pearl Catfish, is our final species.
Though it's virtually a plain Jane, it's the character and behavior that make this six-inch fish worth having.
Pearl Cats are one of the few Mystus species that really enjoy the company of its fellows. A group of four or six will be seen all day probing nooks and crannies with their long whiskers looking for tidbits. They are bold in action, affable to tankmates too large to eat, and one of the few Bagrids that can be recommended for the community tank.
Like all catfish, if it small and asleep, it will be eaten, so it'd be foolish to keep your Pearl Cats with neon tetra-sized fish. Anything a third their size is safe.
Ideally, a community tank stocked with schooling mid-water fish like decent-sized barbs and Rasboras would be best for your Peal Catfish, as it would remind them of home at the Malay Peninsula. Kept mine with Clown and Checker Barbs.
Planted aquariums are great for Pearl Cats well furnished with driftwood and rounded stones. Its a good idea to provide twice as many cave-like holes as Pearl Cats, as though they like each other very much, they do like to have their alone time once in a while.
They do best in water slightly to moderately acid in pH, soft, and 75 to 80 degrees.
They normally eat quality frozen (best) foods like bloodworms, and prepared pelleted foods right away, so feeding is rarely a problem with them. Small meals given often are best, and they will have no trouble consuming all food in well under a minute.
Pearl Catfish are one of the very, very few Mystus cats that can be bred in the home aquarium. The spawning tank should be kept at pH 6.8, very soft, and 75 degrees. A cooling partial (no more than 25 percent) water change that reduces the tank temperature by three or four degrees. Make sure the water change water is very, very soft and clean. Filtered rain water is perfect.
About a third of the time the cooling change results in a spawning within half a day. Males spread their fins wide and do a sideways dance for the prospective mate. If accepted, the male and female lock fins, she rolls over on her back, and hundreds of eggs are expelled. They stick everywhere.
Eggs hatch in a day at 75. Two to three days later the fry are ready for food. Mine took to microworms right away, and most were more than an inch long in three weeks.
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Asian catfish are as unique as the part of the world they come from, and provide the fish keeper with something other than the norm. Though it may take some hunting to find some of them, they will provide interest and color to the tank. I encourage those interested to do further research on their selected species. Searching by scientific name will give better results.
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Great Threaddd!!!
IT IS MY FAVORITE FISH!! very mis kept
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Once again Dave you have outdone yourself, awsome thread and great read. Thanks for the primer.Sailor
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Thanks Dave, makes me want to go out and get a nice school of 12+ K. minor. They are a fish I have always admired. Looks like I need to get an Asian themed tank going. LOLConsidering a Marine Aquarium? A Breakdown of the Components, Live Rock, Cycling a Marine Tank
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I was JUST looking for info on asian cats! Thanks sooooo much!!~*Shockshockshad*~!30 gallon
Heavily Planted SE Asian biotope
-2 SAE's, 13 threadfin rainbows, 6 White Cloud Mtn. Minnows and a dwarf gourami
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2 bamboo shrimp, couple cherry shrimp, 10 neons, 6 CPD's and 8 spotted rasboras
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Thanks for the kind words, folks, I really appreciate it, and the positive reps :)
Just wish the editing button had stayed longer so I could clean up the typos, italicize all the scientific names, and replace the stuff I had to cut out to make the Asian thing fit on two pages.
I'm on a catfish kick now, so they'll be more bewhiskered ones coming as I comb my mind on what all I've kept over the years.
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Great article as always!
Dave, Do you by any chance know a good source of information for synodontis (upsidedown) catfish? Brown and black "tribal-like" markings...30g - 4 female dalmatian Mollies, 1 female gold crescent Swordtail, 1 female pineapple Swordtail, 2 female black and white Platies, 3 female peppered Platy fry, 2 female Guppies, 1 male Guppy, 10 Harlequin Rasboras, 1 peppered Cory, 1 bronze Cory10g - 1 male Dwarf Gourami, 1 Synodontis catfish, 1 female shark-fin Platy, 1 male hi-fin Platy
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Never fished on the Crooked River, but have on many rivers on the Western side of Oregon. Trout really are everywhere around there. I remember catching Cutts in what only looked like little puddles of streams. Bows are mainly what I caught, although a seven mile hike from the McKenzie pass will put you into some higher-elevation lakes that team with Browns.
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Dear All, Here is my link http://220.127.116.11/v3/addRoute.php. First you need to a simple route name and then press the submit button and do not select the select input values. Then you will see red message appear below it. Now my only problem when I have selected meaning on change I want the error message to disappear. I am stuck here any help please.
I don't know exactly what you mean I guess.
I first entered a test word into the Route Name field, then hit Submit.A couple alert()sGot a bunch of red "must not be empty"s
Then I selected from the 4 drop-downs and hit Submit again.A couple alert()sAfter a pause, the error messages went away.
Are you just not waiting long enough?
Dear Mitteague, Here is the problem "Then I selected from the 4 drop-downs and hit Submit again.A couple alert()sAfter a pause, the error messages went away." What happens is that I do not want to submit again but just by selecting any of the drop down value I want the relevant error message to disappear even before the second time the submit button is hit. Thank you.
Ah, now I understand.
The code validates inputs onsubmit OK (tests all 4 in a "batch"?)
It sounds like for the onchange to work, all four would need to change at the same time - highly unlikely
I have to go offline for the night soon. But if no one else helps I'll take a closer look when I get a chance tomorrow.
Dear Mitteague, You got my problem right. I want to control on single basis meaning any one change then the relevant message should go off is that possible? I am stuck here.
It looks like jQuery's validate already automatically checks dropdown boxes as a part of the onchange event.
See the radio/checkbox/select demo here.
Dear Paul, To be frank I manage to build read the dynamic validation with the div method. I am just lost now is that how to include the onchange for my dynamic row. So I dont know how the jquery can fit into my codes as below.
$("input[type='text']").each(function(){ $(this).change(function(){ $(this).siblings('div').text(''); }); });
My question is, your page loads the jQuery validator, so why aren't you using that instead? It already handles the onchange validation that you seem to require.
Dear Paul, I saw the example with this line only "<select id="jungle" name="jungle" title="Please select something!" validate="required:true">". Do you think I should change my select input with this addition validate="required:true" will be enough. Just to let you know each of the row of drop down is dynamic. Thank you.
From the looks of things, you are loading the jQuery validate library, but you have not told it to do anything. Instead, you seem to have rolled out a completely separate type of hand-written validation routine instead.
Dear Paul, You are exactly correct. The problem why I did this was I am sorry was totally lost because ealier I put the class=required nothing work so I had no choice work all by myself. So now I have remove all the handwritten stuff and for a test just put for the first drop down box <select class='required' id='locationFrom[]' name='locationFrom[]' >.Can you give me hint how to go about from here?
Sure thing. Have a look at the [example on the jQuery [url='http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/validation"]validate]('http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/validation#Example) documentation page.
Dear Paul, Ok I have read and put the first step $("#form1").validate();. What I read is that it will automatically validate the form right but not in my case. So what do you think I must do next add more rules is it?
Starting with the HTML basics, the route name doesn't have a required class, so no error message appears for that.
Also, the default select field has a value of "0" which is considered as a valid value. Make the default option an empty string and that select will be considered to no pass validation, resulting in a correct validation error if it's left as that.
Dear Paul, Once I use the class='required' then how am I going to use my own class which I have set via the .css file. I would like to ask you more about the validate function actually when it will be called only when I submit the form is it and how is this control. Secondly I have done the changes your suggested but if I add new row it does not get validated for the first drop down.
Adding a new row means that you have introduced a change to the form elements, so you will need to either reinitialize the validate function, or add new rules to the validation.
Dear Paul, Will it suffice if I add the form.validate() upon each of the new row entry? I have tried that but no changes. So how am I going to apply my custom class to my form elements ?
Yes, that should be doable.
Dear Paul, I have done that like this but still not effect. I would like to a bit in depth of this invalidate I thought upon submit it should validate all rows right then why need to reinitiliaze.
$("table.dynatable button.add").click(function() { var form = this.form; id++;
// Get a new row based on the prototype row
//var prot = master.find(".prototype").clone();
var prot = $(form).data('prototype').clone();
prot.find('[name^="id"]').attr("value", id);
prot.find('[name^="locationFrom"]').attr('name', 'locationFrom[' + id + ']');
prot.find('[name^="locationFrom"]').attr('value', '');
prot.find('[name^="eventFrom"]').attr('name', 'eventFrom[' + id + ']');
prot.find('[name^="eventFrom"]').attr('value', '');
prot.find('[name^="locationTo"]').attr('name', 'locationTo[' + id + ']');
prot.find('[name^="locationTo"]').attr('value', '');
prot.find('[name^="eventTo"]').attr('name', 'eventTo[' + id + ']');
prot.find('[name^="eventTo"]').attr('value', '');
return false;
I think that the validate plugin ignores any fields that have the same identical name. That may help.


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Those of us that managed to fish this year for Atlantic Salmon have reaped the rewards of continued Salmon conservation efforts .It is my opinion that the Greenland Conservation Agreement has been a major contributing factor.
The Greenland Conservation Agreement is a privately negotiated partnership where ASF Atlantic Salmon Federation and their conservation partner, the North Atlantic Salmon Fund (NASF) have agreed to terms with KNAPK, the organisation that represents Grenland's fishermen and hunters In a nutshell KNAPK has agreed to halt commercial fishing for Atlantic Salmon in exchange for funding to develope other, more sustainable ,employment . One of the programs has proved to be extremely successful is a Lumpfish fishery that harvests the roe The resulting suspension of commercial Salmon fishing has definately resulted in benefits here in North America ( an estimated 80% of the salmon that were harvested at Greenland were destined to spawn in Canadian and U.S. rivers) it is quite evident that more and larger Salmon have been returning to their native rivers.
In order to fund the Greenland Conservation Agreement, ASF raises funds privately to cover the expenses. Currently this agreement costs ASF approximately $200,000 annually. As you can imagine ASF actively seeks support for this important conservation initiative and accepts specifically designated gifts to be used for this purpose only.
I, therefore invite you to support the Greenland Conservation Agreement, and to forward gifts directly to ASF noting that it is to be used strictly for the Greenland Conservation Agreement (attention Rob Beatty Vice President of Development) and the address is provide below,. Contributions are tax deductable in both Canada and the U.S.
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"We have a high percentage of people that are severely mentally ill." _Prisons chief Martin Magnusson.
"I think John Baldacci has been rather radical as a Democrat in putting forth these cost-cutting proposals." _Martha Freeman, State Planning Office director.
The spending debate is taking place because, in the foreground, there is a $100-million shortfall between budgeted state revenues and expenditures. But in the background there is an unmuffled "drumbeat for smaller state government and reduced taxes," says state representative David Webster of Freeport, a Democratic member of the Appropriations Committee.
Webster was interviewed at the Maine Center for Economic Policy's annual State Tax and Budget Conference on January 14, held in the middle of a blizzard at the Augusta Civic Center. It was attended by 75 government officials, legislators, and lobbyists. Fiscal alternatives such as raising revenue by reducing tax breaks for business special interests, Webster said, are not part of the drumbeat.
Why? Look at who is beating the drum. Besides Baldacci and like-minded Republicans, the band includes business organizations such as the Maine State Chamber of Commerce. Although MECEP made sure conference participants were exposed to a different viewpoint — that Maine really isn't that heavily taxed or spending isn't that outrageous, considering similar and neighboring states — among the many at the conference expressing or assuming the conservative, corporate point of view was Richard Silkman, an economist and vice-president of the Maine Public Spending Research Group, a think tank funded by TD Banknorth, Dead River, the Olympia Companies, and other big-business heavy hitters.
Silkman's thesis was that if we really want to cut state spending we must require more students for each teacher in the public schools, throw lots of students off the special-education rolls, and toss thousands of poor people off Medicaid (which Baldacci already is doing). The goal: to bring Maine's education and Medicaid numbers down to national averages, which would do the lion's share of cutting the state-government budget by $700 million, a sum which Silkman said would allow Maine taxes to be reduced enough to make us "competitive" with other states for business investment.
Only a few people at the conference spoke — hesitantly — of the importance of the social values behind our assumed excessive spending. Although in a broadcast on the morning of the forum a Maine Public Radio newsperson described MECEP as a "left-leaning" think tank, the group as well as the sum of the conference's participants would more accurately be rendered as cautious moderates.
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This free downloadable quilt pattern is quick and easy to complete. Each baby quilt uses just half of a Jelly Roll!
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Fred Williams was deeply interested in the construction of his paintings; in going on a journey with the work itself in the studio. While he generally worked quickly with gouache outdoors, his oils in the 1960s were painted over long periods, often several years. After a time he liked to distance himself from the work, turning paintings to the wall or keeping them out of sight; returning to them afresh later on.
Although there may seem to be a logical progression from one series to the next, Williams often worked on several series simultaneously. This was the case in the mid-to-late 1960s when a group of geometric works evolved alongside more layered, atmospheric paintings.
In 1964 Williams travelled to Europe, having won the Helena Rubinstein Travelling Scholarship the previous year. He benefited from the opportunity to see great art and architecture during his travels. He was also keen to keep going with his art – with his new approaches to painting the Australian landscape.
Following his return, between 1965 and 1967 he immersed himself in his art with great intensity, producing some of the most significant works of his artistic life.


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And yet again nature produces an anomaly. An area of disturbed weather over the central Atlantic located a couple hundred miles east of Bermuda was recently designated an invest ("91L"). For those wondering, this system has garnered my attention for about a week now, pretty much when the incipient cold front first entered the western Atlantic waters, since it had such a strong model consensus for development. There was no real development until today though, when the system comparatively shed its frontal characteristics.
The satellite signature is relatively unimpressive, with only shallow banding noted along the southern periphery of the low-level center.
Figure 1. Latest infrared satellite image of Invest 91L, courtesy of RAMMD satellite imagery Colorado State University (CSU).
There is still a rather large frontal-looking system to the north, but the influence of it is diminishing. There are no southwesterly winds ahead of the system, so what front was there is quickly becoming diffuse. That, coupled with 91L's southward movement, could allow for possible subtropical organization.
Model guidance suggests that this system will be short-lived, no more than perhaps two days. Given this, and the large amplitude cold front approaching the system from the west (the same one that brought the tornado outbreak to Kansas and Oklahoma on Saturday) indicating acceleration, this system is unlikely to become Alberto.
Water vapor imagery shows increasing mid to upper-level flow approaching 91L from the west, with the downstream ridge weakening in response. This synoptic regime ultimately favors recurvature into the westerlies. Model guidance insinuates that this should happen within about 36 hours.
Scatterometer data says 91L is producing a large area of tropical storm force winds, especially on the western side.
Figure 2. 0514 UTC (roughly 1:14 AM EDT) April 18, 2012 ASCAT scatterometer pass. Since ASCAT typically has a low bias, extrapolation of these values lends credibility to the likelihood of tropical storm conditions occurring on the surface with this system.
On the positive side, the well-defined surface circulation and preexisting fetch of tropical storm force winds argues that this system could quickly develop. But since area water temperatures are rather cold (23C), and the system is forecast to begin feeling the trough in about 24 hours, there seems to be little chance of significant development, even factoring in the warmer waters to the south, and the current equatorial motion. The low is likely to dissipate in about three days as it loses its upper support, currently associated with the 200 mb low sitting above the surface low.
Probability of (sub)tropical genesis in the next 48 hours: 10%
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In the freshman seminar "Materials World," Professor Ilhan Aksay, center, uses the laboratory to help give students a better understanding of materials used in daily life.
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Academic journeys begin with freshman seminars
Princeton's newest undergraduates are setting out on a path of inquiry and discovery this fall through the University's freshman seminar program.
Freshman seminars enable students to build strong relationships with faculty members and classmates in a close-knit intellectual setting. Many students cite the freshman seminar as one of the highlights of their time at Princeton.
A total of 500 freshmen are enrolled this semester in 39 seminars, each of which is held in one of the six residential colleges. The seminars are open to students from all of the residential colleges. Class discussions often continue in informal settings both on and off campus, through meals, guest lectures, field trips and other activities.
This is part of a series of features highlighting freshman seminars offered at Princeton this semester. Other features:
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Princeton University freshmen Michal Prenovitz and Matine Yuksel carefully placed a small wood sample in a machine designed to crush objects with thousands of pounds of force. As the machine's steel jaws slowly squeezed, Professor Ilhan Aksay rolled up a few sheets of paper and turned to the students gathered nearby.
"If I do this," he said, squeezing the rolled tube of papers in the middle, "the tube bounces back — unless I flatten it completely."
He switched his hands to the ends of the tube.
"But if I stress the ends, nothing happens until suddenly it buckles and there is permanent damage," he said. "The former is akin to stressing wood in a direction perpendicular to its cell walls. In the latter, the stress is applied in the same direction as the cell walls."
For the next hour, the 10 students crushed, bent and broke samples of different types of wood in Aksay's research laboratory. They measured the force that damaged the samples and peered through microscopes to analyze how the stress affected the blocks' internal structures.
Daniel Dabbs, a research scientist in the Ceramic Materials Laboratory, helps oversee the lab and serves as an instructor for the seminar's laboratory sessions. Above, Dabbs and freshman Serena Zheng take measurements from a sample they tested.
For nearly 10 years, Aksay, a professor of chemical and biological engineering, has introduced students in his freshman seminar, "Materials World," to the everyday matter that makes up the foundation of civilization. In the course, designated as the Donald P. Wilson '33 and Edna M. Wilson Freshman Seminar, the students begin by analyzing the materials that helped launch civilization. The students study materials such as simple mud and adobe bricks, fired ceramics and biologically produced materials such as wood. As the semester progresses, they move through more complex materials, ending with electrically conducting polymers and even the construction of a lithium ion battery.
"My goal is to teach them about the fundamental materials that we have around us," Aksay said. "I want to give them answers to some of the questions that, one day, they may get from their children."
Along the way, Aksay introduces the students to lab techniques. The freshmen spend half of each class in a seminar discussion and then move to Aksay's lab, or the electron microscope at Bowen Hall, to apply what they have learned. For students who don't plan on pursuing a science degree, it offers hands-on experience in the lab. Science and engineering majors get an early chance to use state-of-the-art equipment.
Freshmen Matine Yuksel, front, and Michal Prenovitz analyze a wood sample to determine how it responds to directional stress.
"From talking to my friends at other schools, it's extremely rare for a freshman to get such a small class with high exposure to advanced equipment," said Austin Pruitt, who plans to major in mechanical and aerospace engineering. He said the seminar, which includes a mix of students studying science and other disciplines, is straightforward enough "so that everyone can understand it, but complex enough so that it is new knowledge for everyone in the class."
Aksay points out that the ages of human development are named for basic materials — stone, bronze, iron — and the class follows that organizational structure. In initial experiments, students made and examined mud bricks. They compared the strength and toughness of the mud bricks with sintered bricks, which have been fired in a kiln, and adobe bricks, in which straw is mixed with the mud. In those simple experiments, the students traversed thousands of years of technological history.
"The transition from mud bricks to sintered bricks took about 6,000 years," Aksay said. "Why? Because of technological development — you have to have furnaces. Adobe needed the agricultural revolution. Without hay, you cannot have the accident of mixing mud with straw."
Aksay asked what the students had observed about the various types of bricks, and why the material strengthened with heating.
"The form remains the same, but the chemical structure within the brick changes as you heat it," said Serena Zheng.
Aksay explained that high temperatures inside the kiln transform the clay at the molecular level.
"Clay becomes something different when you exceed 600 degrees centigrade," he said. "Crystals form like needles within a high temperature liquid that becomes glass when cooled. These needles start locking up and the object becomes stronger and stronger. The more you heat it, the higher the number of crystals."
Aksay himself is at the forefront of engineering based on the new material graphene, which is a one-atom-thick form of carbon. Graphene's remarkable characteristics, including strength, flexibility, and conductivity, have promised to open new areas of electronics such as flexible electronics and power systems. But until relatively recently, the material was extremely difficult to separate into thin sheets outside a laboratory.
Aksay discusses experimental results with students Austin Pruitt and Serena Zheng.
Several years ago, Professor Robert Prud'homme, also in the chemical and biological engineering department, and Aksay developed a technique that uses an acid bath to oxidize graphite and a subsequent very rapid heating to efficiently create thin sheets of graphene. This patented method offers a way for engineers to develop widespread industrial uses for graphene.
John Lettow, who graduated from Princeton in 1995 with a degree in chemical engineering, has since formed a company, Vorbeck Materials, to develop new products — such as electrically conductive ink for printed circuits — based on the technology.
"Getting to have such close interactions with world-renowned faculty such as Ilhan, even as an undergraduate at Princeton, is a tremendous experience that stays with you throughout your career," Lettow said. "Though they may not fully realize it yet, these students are exceptionally lucky. I envy their time in Ilhan's class."
Aksay said the purpose of the seminar is not to develop the next great technical breakthrough but to expose a broad range of students to the fascination of science.
"I try to mix the science with fun," he said. "My goal is to teach students, whether they are interested in science or not, things that they will remember many decades from now."


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yaGTD - Yet Another Getting Things Done. - Cookbook: recipe #297, Source Code Manager: Bazaar-NG
recipe #297: Source Code Manager: Bazaar-NG
The aim of this documention is to explain howto access yaGTD source code repository.
As Bazaar-NG is not installed on GNA server (sr #655), we use storage area of GNU Arch to host our Bazaar branches: http://arch.gna.org/yagtd/
FYI the workflow used is the Decentralized with human gatekeeper.
So, you can retrieve the main branch by using the command:
From now, you can work on your branch, see http://bazaar-vcs.org to know how it works...
Then, to submit changes to the main branch, send me the tarball of your branch (by email or via the patches menu).
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Though foreign policy issues will likely play a role, the U.S. economy is expected to dominate the 2012 presidential election, which kicks off in Iowa this week. Iowa is one of a handful of states that can boast one of the nation's lowest unemployment rates (CNN). Florida and South Carolina, which hold Republican contests later in the month, have unemployment rates higher than the national average, which has hovered at well over 8 percent (Bloomberg). But economic issues such as jobs and the budget deficit will likely play a significant role (USAToday) as Iowa voters weigh Republican candidates.
The state of the U.S. economy has weighed heavily on voter minds for the last four years and has led to a spate of protests from both the Tea Party on the right to the Occupy movement on the left. The country faces persistently high unemployment, a growing deficit, a shrinking middle class, and a sluggish housing crisis. Whether the economy will strengthen in the New Year is a matter of great speculation (ABC). Some analysts forecast a possible recession (CSMonitor) especially with issues ranging from unrest in the Middle East to the eurozone crisis unresolved.
Voters have expressed deep concerns about Washington's management of the economy (TheHill). Lawmakers and the Obama administration have remained embroiled in a near stalemate over tax policy, deficit reduction, and entitlement reform. The inability to move forward and address the economic issues plaguing the nation have caused a number of foreign policy experts to worry about the future projection of U.S. power abroad.
The Debate
The Los Angeles Times notes "this presidential contest is likely to hinge on major philosophical questions about the size and scope of government, as both sides sort through fallout from the recession." President Obama has been under fire from GOP challengers for economic policies that they say focus too heavily on raising taxes on the wealthy, attempting to manage the economy, and imposing regulations.
Republicans disagree with Obama's economic vision to invest public funds in the development of new job opportunities and, instead, want to leverage the private sector to spur economic growth, as this CFR Issue Tracker points out. Each contender has vowed to repeal two signature pieces of legislation from the Obama presidency: the healthcare and financial reform laws of 2010.
Policy Options
The Hoover Institution's J.W. Verret says 2012 is expected to be "a year of competing visions." (TheGazette) Obama's opponents, he writes, will need to show "America is a business-focused economic engine anxious for government to get out of the way."
Political analyst Greg Sargent says while it's true that disapproval of Obama is running high (WashPost), "the independents and moderates who will decide the presidential election agree with Obama's overall fiscal vision -- his jobs creation proposals and insistence on taxing the wealthy to pay for them."
Background Reading
Six economists offer advice for improving the U.S. economic outlook, in an expert roundup in the New York Times.
At EconoMonitor, Dan Steinbock calls the U.S. presidential contest a "once-in-a-century election," where the U.S.-China economic relationship might be on the line.
Looking ahead to the Iowa caucuses and upcoming primaries in January, CFR's James Lindsay says Republican candidates are taking aim at President Obama's foreign policies, yet it's unclear what they would do differently.


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I am selling my beloved Loomis GL3 fly rod. It is a 9' 9wgt 4pce. Sale includes original Sock and cordura covered tube w/ handle (and the famous G. Loomis warranty). Rod is almost brand new and in MINT condition. Retails for $326 / Asking $225 (or best serious offer)
"Undoubtedly the best performance value on the market, these rods are extremely forgiving and very lightweight, actually helping to minimize the most common mistake in casting: the tailing loop. Designed with a multi-taper tip, they feel slightly stiffer than our other rod families, generating high line-speed with a slightly wider loop. That extra stiffness also makes them quite powerful, capable of making nice long, accurate casts. Some rod companies charge twice what a GL3 will cost you. But if youre looking for a high-performance graphite rod that will let you cast like you know you can, none of them will outperform a GL3."
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Sigma-Aldrich's innovative biological products business Sigma Life Science collaborates with University of Tokyo researchers to develop Lentiviral microRNA Inhibitors
Singapore: Sigma-Aldrich's innovative biological products and services business Sigma Life Science signed an exclusive collaboration with Dr Hideo Iba and Dr Takeshi Haraguchi at the University of Tokyo to release Mission synthetic and Lentiviral microRNA Inhibitors. These are based upon the Tough Decoy (TuD) design for the long-term suppression of any miRNA endogenous to humans or mice.
Custom designs for other species are available upon request. Each microRNA inhibitor is designed using a proprietary algorithm that evaluates all possible sequences for the design predicted to best maintain the TuD structure, providing maximal miRNA recognition and binding.
Naturally-occurring miRNAs inhibit translation of a large percentage of mRNAs encoding human proteins and play pivotal roles in oncogenesis, development, cell differentiation, and immune responses. Iba and Haraguchi invented TuD RNAs1,2 as a more potent tool to suppress specific miRNAs and thus investigate their biological functions.
In contrast to current approaches that use single-stranded RNAs, such as sponge decoys and locked nucleic acids, TuD RNAs are double-stranded. This, along with a stem-loop stabilized secondary structure, resists cellular nuclease degradation and facilitates sustained miRNA inhibition for longer than one month. In addition, both strands of a TuD RNA contain an miRNA binding site for more efficient sequestration of target miRNAs at lower, nanomolar concentrations.
"Drs Iba and Haraguchi's Tough Decoy RNAs are an elegant and more practical tool for exploring the impact of microRNA gene regulation on human disease. Sigma Life Science's mission is to support this field's rapid development by making keystone technologies like this broadly accessible," says Dr Supriya Shivakumar, director of emerging technologies at Sigma Life Science.
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Miss Rhode Island Competes for Miss America
RIC's own Kelsey Fournier '12, crowned Miss Rhode Island 2012, is looking for support from the community to get the votes she needs to become a finalist in the 2013 Miss America Competition.
The 23-year-old Pawtucket native had never entered a pageant prior to the Miss Rhode Island Scholarship Pageant. She entered, she said, in order to earn a scholarship to graduate school. But the title doesn't automatically qualify her for the Miss America Competition. She needs the community's votes for a chance at that crown.
As an undergraduate at Rhode Island College, majoring in health education, with a concentration in community health, Fournier's academic prowess placed her on the dean's list for four years. She graduated cum laude and was a Presidential Scholar in May 2012. That same month, she earned the title of Miss Rhode Island.
In her current run for Miss America, she must establish a "social platform" – an issue she considers important – and discuss the issue during the preliminary competition. Fournier based her platform on what she learned at RIC – fitness and health education.
"My hope, as Miss America, is to work nationally with Let's Move, the childhood obesity prevention initiative by First Lady Michelle Obama, to help lay the foundation for a healthier America," she said.
"Giving back is so important to me," she added, "and who is more influential, who reaches more people, particularly young people, than Miss America."
To cast a vote, go to
There is a limit of one vote per person via any Web-enabled device. Voting closes at 11:59 p.m. PST on Thursday, Jan. 10, 2013. The Miss America Pageant will be aired on Jan. 12 on ABC.