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Well Duh.... Study results on sea lice from fish farms on native salmonids...
Been a way for a while, don't know if anyone caught this story yet. Research that pretty much confirms the influence of fish farms on sea lice occurance on native salmonids... And the usual head-burried-in-the-sand response of the industry...
I find it interesting the delays in news getting out to the general public, and how slow this stuff is in getting out there... Seem to recall better part of a year ago, this concern was being raised in these circles....
http://story.news.yahoo.com/newstmpl...tenwildsalmo n
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Last edited by Feiger; 04-01-2005 at 01:05 AM.
Feiger -
Thanks for bringing this important issue to our attention. The current story link seems to have expired, here is another link to try:
or LISTEN: (npr, a good audio report)
NPR audio report
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Clouds of Lice!
"Clouds of Lice" infected juvenile Wild Salmon "for nearly 19 miles" around a farm that is only 1/8 mile (aprox 800') long. That makes the "Parasitic Footprint" 150 times larger than the farm itself!
150 times? What in the blazes are these people thinking! Where the he** is the government?
Look, 4 years ago posts were being made here (see FFF archives) talking about these same problems. Obviously, no one in the fish farming industry or local governments is doing squat to address this! Imagine the implications and damage that has been done to the Wild Fish stocks, WORLDWIDE, over the last 4 years!!!!!
And the killer here is the fact that, this problem has been around for alot longer than that!
Countless articles have been written, dicussions have ensued, subjects have been tossed back and forth. And people in high places still call it "Fear Mongering"
So I will repeat my stand. The only thing that will bring some change to the, IMHO, "Brutal Assault" on Wild Stocks by Fish Farms, is to STOP purchasing fish products that are Farm Raised! Tell everyone you know, and have them repeat the story to someone else. I have had good luck with this strategy. People get turned off real fast to fish that they might think have had lice on them at some point in the past.
And that brings up the last point, cause its these poor geneticaly modified fish kept stuffed in these cages that suffer the most damage. They don't know any different! Imagine what would happen to someone in any one of these countrys that was found with a couple thousand cats or dogs stuffed into a cage, for any reason! they would be hauled off to jail so fast for animal abuse it would make your head spin!
IMHO there is no difference between the two.
Still say this is what has happened to our Puget Sound Steelhead. But you know certain experts say our smolts migrate out the Strait. Those experts wouldn't say any other thing and don't want to set up a study to find out if our smolts do migrate North before heading out to open ocean. Ever wonder why everything in both BC and Washington sound area below the farms is almost gone as far as steelhead go?
another link to look into - more articles...
Another Yahoo link that lists a bunch of different articles regarding this study, with a few industry articles and responses thrown in to boot...
My guess is they'll study this issue to death, kinda like the value of wild steelhead release, until there aren't any wild fish left to worry about... Of course, they'll then FULLY understand what a big f**k-up the farmed fish were to the coastal systems and wild salmonids, but by then, to late....
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Last edited by Feiger; 04-01-2005 at 06:01 PM.
Regarding animal abuse. Who are you to speak of this, as a game angler you have no right to point your finger at this issue.
As a game fisher why would Deerhawk have no right to point a finger? I'm a bit confused. Would love to hear more on what you are trying to say.
Animal Abuse
So lets discuss this topic, I'm game.....
As a responsible Angler, my very basic premise when I am enjoying this sport, and I do LOVE this sport, is to treat each animal with the utmost care and respect.
I practice 100% Catch and Release, in an effort to keep our dwindling fish stocks in check.
I am regularly involved in projects that help promote the natural structure that the fish lives in, stream restoration, clean-up,etc, and continuing education of all individuals that will lend an ear about the SUPREME importance of a balanced and sustainable fishery. If you came to my home state of Oregon, I would be glad to have you come along to some of the most pristine Blue Ribon, 5 Star flyfishing anywhere on this ball we call Earth! I would take you to, and make you understand how important they are! Most of which, I might ad, have been saved from sure destruction by the efforts of myself and other like minded individuals that would think nothing of leaving behind there gear and pick up a shovel or trash bag to spend a day MAKING SURE that these streams and rivers in this already fragile e co-system stay sustainable!
In the past I have asked for representitives of the Fish Farming Industry to step forward on this forum or any other in an effort to see if there might be even ONE that might be doing things right. But so far......SILENCE!
If I even thought that there was one out there I would be glad to give them the benifit of the doubt. But Anders, the truth speaks for it self. These Farm Opperations cause huge ecological problems everywhere they get set-up, THAT is the bottom line!
If you think that catching a Trout with a hook and line is tantamount to animal abuse, then neither I nor anyone else will change your mind about that, but it does make me wonder why you bothered regestering on the Forum, are you not an Angler yourself?
For years these problems have plagued this industry, for years the storys keep comming. When will the ABUSE of these animals for profit STOP. Do you hold the answer Anders? Do you know some responsible Fish Farmers that are doing things right? I am passionate about how I feel in regards to the fish, because quite frankly, the poor bastards need people like me and others here on the Forum to stand up for them. Do you share that same passion, Anders?
I look forward to your response.
I remain.....HOT
I must admit that you have a point: how could a person who tracks down, tricks and captures an animal acuse anyone else of abuse?
Perhaps 'abuse' was not the most succint term to describe Deerhaawk's point, who has no reason to defend his shining record as a proactive environmentally dedicated steward of the resource. His actions speak loudly on his behalf. A more appropriate term would have been "genocide", which more accurately describes a systematic plague-like destruction of one of earth's precious and fragile miracles, our native anadramous salmonids.
I would make two points of my own:
1) No faction of human life cares more deeply for the welfare of fish than the C&R angler, if not for this growing active interest group no one would care but for a few lonely biologists. No one would fight for protective regulations like the WSC, no one would fight for removal of dams, no one would work to raise public awareness, fight to protect habitat, or care enough to stop the problem of fish farming side effects. We are the fish's best friend in the hard reality of our world today.
2) The bottom line is how fish are affected. If we are to be called abusers for a pin prick in the lip in exchange for our intense appreciation and desire to understand a species, then so be it. However if someone next door is eating that same fish dressed and filleted from the market having been caught in a gillnet, they too are abusers to a higher degree as the fish had to give it's life and body tissue for the table.
If a biologist captures and tags a fish with a radio transmitter to study it's movements, then he too must be an abuser. Even though his data has proven to be of immense value in understanding the behavior of the species as a whole.
Those salmon holding boxes in Scandinavian rivers - pure torture. In fact tagging of any species must fall into that category.
For that matter disciplining my dog to stop him from crapping on the living room carpet as a puppy, or ultimately forcing my own children to do their algebra before they went out to play, tears in their eyes as the other kids laughed and rode their bikes. How cruel I am, but this boy is now pulling a 3.8 GPA in college.
The PETA activists are obsessed with the 'pin prick' while they are part of the big societal steamroller that rolls over entire strains of dwindling fish species turning a blind eye to the real causes that affect our fish, like sea lice infestations in the sea. They don't see the forest for the trees when if comes to how fish are affected. These individuals are so lost they only think of individual animals feelings while entire races of these animals perish. Perhaps the right term for this is "hypocrisy".
Deerhaawk has everything to be proud of in terms of his record on behalf of fish, and I know he is just getting revv'ed up. I don't think it matters so much what the little terms are - abuse, genocide, hypocrisy etc. It matters most that he is actively involved, and cares about the species as a whole and is willing to invest time and energy toward their well-being. If everyone were as dedicated as he, the fish would be much, much better off.
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NPR audio - good piece...
Juro - thanks for providing the link to the NPR story. I was fortunate to hear the broadcast coming home the other night. I thought the most compelling evidence of the problem was the capturing of smolts emmigrating out of the river and going past the fish farming operation. The fish captured and examined before the trap had no evidence of these lice. When fish were captured after passing the farming operation approximately 100% of them showed that they had the parasitic lice. Bad news not only for the fish from that stream, but when the congregate with other fish from other rivers in the ocean - then they pass along the lice to these other fish. So it is just not an issue that is limited tp a specific river's fish.
Anders - care to provide more of your opinions, or elaborate a little to your post. From first reading it would seem like you are trolling for conflict, or have another agenda. Why shouldn't Deerhawk be concerned over the issue? He (like the majority of the rest of us) are concerned when there is an issue that can impact wild fish stocks. I may not fish for wild pacific salmonids, but I still value them. If there is a specific issue affecting their ability to survive, then that should be looked at and addressed. Just because we recreationally fish does not mean we cannot offer our opinions on the issue. The money raised from our recreational license fees/fuel taxes/taxes on hunting and fishing gear is what contributes to the managment agencies ability to study these issues.
C'mon Juro, to say that no one cares more han C&R anglers just aint so. The vast majority of anglers (C&R included) don't do squat for fish. There are certainly those that do a lot, and judging from Deerhawk's description of some of his endeavors he does (Thanks DH), but most just talk.
And Anders, assuming you are correct for sake of argument, why wouldn't DH have a right to speak his mind? Do we lose our rights to opine if we are a hypocrite?
Well I respect a good debate as long as it's civil and friendly, and I agree that the vast majority don't (directly) do squat, but please allow me to ask you a question -
who cares more about fish than C&R anglers then?
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I can tell you one party who sure doesn't seem to give a damn about fish and that is our federal government. They've been trying hard to promote a steelhead harvest fishery here in southeast Alaska for subsistence and they are using all their (our) abundant resources to do just this. And this is mostly on tiny streams with annual runs on the order of only 50 fish or so. Right now, I can legally go out and snag native fish and the only reportig of the harvest is on the honor system. Of course, if I can't find my snagging gear I could just use a pitchfork to legally spear these fish. The state is resisting but its tough to fight those with all that money and resources. It's all about power and politics.
Thanks for taking my post in the devil's advocate context in which it was made. I've been expecting someone to lay into me about calling poor ol' Deerhawk a hypocrite.
No problem, I hope this debate is not taken out of the friendly point-counter-point context it is intended to be kept to; in fact your replies only confirms that we are just people who care (all of us in this thread).
However, I must point out in the spirit of debate that you did not answer my question and I remain quite convinced that if not for the C&R angler there would be no meaningful assembly of humans who give a damn about the preservation of gamefish species.
Percentages of those who participate? Agreed, it's shamefully low.
Luckily there are people like Deerhaawk who are not in that silent majority.
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Tragedy of the commons...
In natural resources economics, the plight of natural resources, publically owned such as wild (and hatchery) salmonids, is called the "tragedy of the commons." Everyone, and at the same time no one, owns them, and thus everyone, and no one, is a caretaker for them. What does that mean? When you ask the average "Joe" or "Jane" on the street, do you care about the plight of native/wild salmon, the majority, usually a strong majority, will say yes - they don't want them to go extinct, they want healthy runs for their children's children, etc. But when you ask them what THEY are doing for the health and long term longevity of those same fish - blank stare... "but they're not MY fish, I don't have a personal stake in their existence, that's somebody elses/the government/the fisherman/woman's responsibility..." Or "Saving the salmon and steelhead by removing the Columbia River dams would kill me w/ the increased cost of electricity - I can't have that! There must be another way (hatcheries any one???)".
It's human nature to fail to take action, or interest, until something affects you personally. Whether it be in the pocket book, your living/working conditions, or, as pretty much everyone who is a part of this forum, the ability to enjoy the natural world and all its parts, whether that be the mountain vistas, wild elk and deer, waterfowl, the wild fish in our streams, etc. Every significant human action, whether it be the union movement of labor against management, revolutions of citizens against tyrannic governments, or the long history of sportsman/women conservationists ponying up in $$ and sweat equity to challenge threats to the wild places and wild things we hold near and dear to our hearts - those actions came about because individuals, and groups of like-minded individuals, were adversely affected to the point that they needed to take action. The unfortunate thing about public resources, including our native fish, its seems that it takes the 10th or 11th hour to get enough people concerned to make a difference. That's not to say people weren't concerned earlier. There are many who were blowing the wistle on the travesty of what was happening to our wild salmon and steelhead stocks DECADES ago! But not enough people were personnally affected that resulted in effective action. The common example I come back to is waterfowl - it wasn't until the market gunning, loss of habitat, etc. that finally wiped waterfowl populations so low, that so many avid hunters finally stopped and took notice, that action in the form of federal laws and development of conservation organizations finally came about. I'm not terribly familiar with either species, but it seems to me similar things can be said about striped bass and redfish on the east coast. Certainly the same is being said for the west coast salmonids now. The actions and activities of concerned fisherman and women are louder now than at any time in the past 50 years. Let's hope its not to late... And, incidently, that's why its the hunters and fishermen/women that are the first to step up and take notice, and take action. We recongnize the direct effects first...
I aplaud folks like Deerhawk, who invest many hours of personal time, and many dollars, in "giving back" to a public resource, that at once he does, and doesn't own. I do the same, and have the opportunity to work with dozens of similarly minded folks volunteering to enhance wildlife habitat, at a great personal expense and sacrifice to themselves. All because they CARE....
In response to Pescaphile's comment about the Federal Government "not giving a damn", I have to take some exception to that remark. For two reasons - First, I am the federal government - as a federal employee of a large land management agency, I am the face and action of the Federal Government. And I stand shoulder to shoulder with some of the most active and passionate conservationists on this planet. People that live, breathe and sleep natural resources, including the wild salmon and steelhead all of us cherish. And these individuals do it because they care about the public's resources, and have a strong desire to provide the public with the resources that they desire. And given the current environment of general fed bashing that seems rather prevalant these days, I can speak from first hand experience that your pretty much have to love natural resources to put up with it!! And second - Not only am I the Federal Government, so are you! Every citizen of the United States of America is the Federal Government. YOU elect the congressmen and representatives and presidents. YOU pay your taxes that goes into (or DOESN'T go into) the programs that manage natural resources, dependent upon the elected officials YOU elected. YOU write/don't write your elected officials and tell them what you do and don't want from your natural resources. And through those avenues, YOU direct/don't direct the actions of the Federal Government, and all YOUR employees in the management of your cherished natural resources.
Is that to say the Federal Government's perfect? Hell no! There are many a decision made by the agency of my employment that I can only scratch my head and wonder "what the Hell were they thinking?!?!" But those decisions, those programs, those activities were funded and implemented because someone, in the general public, wanted them. And they spoke up for them. Hydroelectric power? Cheap timber off the Tongass? Oil platforms in the ANWR? Cows on the range? Cyanide strip mine in a bull trout watershed? Commercial access to wild fisheries? Someone in the US wanted access to that resource, and voted accordingly, and contributed $$'s accordingly, to get that response. Yet another part of the "Tragedy of the Commons" - everyone wants everything from every natural resource, and it simply cannot be provided, especially with the ever burgeoning human population...
Pescaphile - take no personal offense to your comment, there's many a time I share a similar view point. But pointing the finger at a nameless and faceless Federal Government won't change anything. I hope you are taking the opportunity to participate as a part of that Federal Government, as that is the only way change will come in that realm...
Finally - and sorry for this overly long-winded response - the comment that got this whole discussion started - Anders' comment in regards to animal abuse and the hypocritical context of a fisherman "calling the kettle black". To me, Anders' response to Deerhawk's rant is comparing apples to oranges. And it comes down to the resource at hand - wild versus farm raised. In my mind, and I think this is where Deerhawk was coming from, there is a VERY distinct difference between the packaged "salmon"/elk steak/pheasant/venison that I may buy wrapped in celophane at a super market or order at a restaurant; and the WILD salmon/elk/pheasant/venison that I took part in the killing, processing, and consuming (or in the case of C&R, caught and released). Its the difference between an animal's/fish's life spent in a cage/fenced enclosure/warehouse, being fed processed food/hormones/antibiotics, killed by an unknown individual, removed of blood and guts and gore, placed in plastic wrap or on a plate, and served to me with out any appreciation for where it came from or how it lived; and an animal/fish that lived its existence in the wild, free of enclosures and control, eating "natural" things (until it hits my traditional spey fly.... ), and me taking direct responsibility for its death, demise, and my consumption (or in C&R - release). Its about quality of life. Life is violent - Death happens, regularly. I, for one, choose to be an active participant in that process, and prefer to take part in an animals life and death, that had the opportunity to live as it's species has evolved to live - not in a cage or pen...
Some one PLEASE knock the soap box from underneath my feet before I rant again!!!!
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Thread: just starting ^^
just starting ^^
i`ve alwyas had 10 or 20 gallon tanks when i was growing up as a kid so i figured i would get back into it now im planning on buying a 36.4L x 18.4W x 25H aquarium it is 65 gallons im getting a these so far for it.
800 GPH Powerhead Aquarium Pump Wave Maker
Tetra 77855 Whisper Air Pump, 100-Gallon
Aqueon 06079 QuietFlow 55/75 Power Filter, 400-GPH
Aqueon® Submersible Aquarium Heater 200 watts (up to 75 gallons)
im planing to hopefully put some rainbowfishes in this and cories and plants.
ok now for questions:
What else am i missing? XD
how much Gravel is needed for this because i don`t know if it makes a difference if its a taller tank rather then longer?
i plan on putting Java Moss and Java Ferns in any help on those n other recommended plants to go with them for rainbows?
all help is welcome ^^" thank you so much.
Also i been reading these for most of the info i need:
encyclopedia of aquarium plants by peter hiscock
Rainbowfish - a complete pet owners manual by barrons i think? XD
how to set up a freshwater aquarium like a expert - on kindle
image of Tank im getting:
welcome to the forum and cogratulations for doing research.
a good rule of thumb for gravel is 1-2 pounds per gallon of water, depending on how thick you want the gravel bed. I have the same size tank as you and have approx. 80 pounds of gravel in it. java moss and java fern will have to be rooted on rocks or wood, and will not thrive if planted in gravel. If you are planning on planting the tank, then it would be advised to use a plant substrate such as ecocomplete or seachem flourite.
I cannot really think of anything major that still is missing except for one thing: if you are serious with growing nice plants, get a good light fixture that will provide at least 2 watts per gallon of water, maybe even more considering your tank is so deep. the light that comes with the tank is just enough to view the fish and won't sustain plants.
oh and thank you for the warm welcome ^^
yeah i know java moss and java ferns need to be rooted on rocks or wood ^^ dose that mean i still need a plant substrate for tank? was kind of hoping to find something that can just handle being in the grave snice java's i was planting to attach to driftwood.
Also is there any lighting u can link me or recommend? i uslay shop at petsmart or amazon.
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in fact the majority of plants are to be planted in the substrate, the hiscock book you have has a comprehensive guide in towards the end. if you plan to use only java fern and moss, then you would not need a plant substrate
but I nonetheless would recommend it because generally once you have stuff growing on your wood, the gravel will look bare and you will also want something growing
on the ground. once you are there you will be very grateful for having previously chosen a plant substrate because it really is a pain to tear up a whole tank and replace the gravel later on.
the lighting I have used successfully are aquaticlife fixtures. i have two dual lamps joined together but I conceive you could also buy a single four-bulb fixture.
First off welcome and good for you for asking questions before buying.
Now, does the tank have a middle brace? If it does the aqueon filter you have listed may not fit on the back of the aquarium. I have the 56 gallon column tank petsmart has and the large hob filters wont fit. It is only narrower but you should check before you buy. Also you will need more filtration for the tank since you would want filtration for a 130 gallon tank. Amazon has some great deals on canisters filters , but you will have to measure what will fit in the stand.
I would suggest getting the aqueon 250w heater especially if you live in a colder climate. The 250w is rated up to 90 gallons.
With a tank that deep you will likely need a better light. Whether you use a 2 or 4 bulb fixture will depend on how deep you want your plants. If you use some really tall driftwood and put the plants towards the top you will need less light.
Something I didnt see listed was a water testing kit to keep everything in check. Api has a master test kit that goes for about $20 on amazon.
Hope all that makes sense.
Forgot something and on my phone editting doesnt go well.
That air pump will likely not give you good bubbles at the bottom of the tank because of the pressure. You would meed either a deepwater pump or a piston driven pump. You would not need this if you went with two hob filters or a canister with a decent spraybar to break up surface tension.
i don`t really understand canisters filters that well most of them i look at have bad feedbacks or a very high price >< but if i can get a filter to not have to get a pump would be cheaper hmm any recommendations on a canister one that would work well for the 65gallon?
and yeah i just didn`t plan on getting the test kits yet was trying to get the more expensive things done 1st.
Also haven`t had a chance to go to store yet to look at tank i just been looking online at it was waiting till i went there to just buy it.
and if i get plant substrate how much should i put in n dose it effect how much gravel i should be putting in? so confusing
One more thing is 300Watt to much? im only seeing 200 or 300Watt.
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like idk its hard to understand but should it be like 30 gallons worth of substrate then 50lb of gravel? or do i need to make it more dif? the problem in the book i have it just says "thin amount n beginners to use only gravel" >< or should i just buy 40lb/40lb n just mix them together?
was thinking maybe somthing like:(if i can find these all looking in book but basicaly around these)
Java fern
Java Moss
Giant Vallisneria
dwarf Sagittaria
n maybe n african fern
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2nd, in case you didn't know this, gravel is one kind of substrate. You can put whatever you want in the tank whether or not you're new at this. From my understanding, the amount you want is your preference - the more you put in, the more stuff can get trapped in it and it takes a little longer to clean, but some people like a lot of it. Some people mix different types, especially if they want plants.
Regarding a heater - many tank owners have more than one in larger tanks - that way if one breaks, there's another one to keep the temp consistent - same thing with filters. I apologize I'm not good with brands/prices.
regarding filter i called petsmart n support bar is in middle of the tank which means i can fit 2 of the filters i have listed! weee so that should take care of the problem n they are hob ones too so no air pump which fixes that problem. im going to go with 30lbs of substate plant food thingie i was looking at comes in 15lbs bags so works good n gravel comes in 25lbs so i`ll get 50lbs for that.
this is the filter im going to get 2 of them so i think it should be enough then? these say up to 90 gallons so would be 180 gallons worth then? lol
and i plan on getting test kit before i add fish n plants in im going to see if i can fit it onto this weeks amazon fund i have lol if not probly next week i`ll get it. i don`t plan on buying the tank till end of this month just trying to get everything that i need.


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After a tough climb of 2000m and a burst of rain we arrived at our first days camp near the rim. We chilled out (both in terms of activity and temperature) while the porters prepared dinner and also set up our tents. I ended up wearing everything I was carrying and still felt cold but it was all worth it when we saw the sunset. For 45 mins we were treated to an amazing show of the sun from above the cloud level. Absolutely unforgettable!
The morning of day 2 was a bit easier as we had only to climb 100m or so to the rim. We were then treated to our first view of the summit and the task ahead of us. After just enjoying the view for a while we headed off down the inside of the crater to the lake 600m below. A bit tricky but not too tiring. Once at the bottom it was time for a quick, cold swim in the lake before getting some natural spa treatment at the nearby thermal waterfall. Bliss for a long showerer like me. Unfortunately after lunch there was the unfortunate matter of a 700m climb to our second camp. The refreshed feeling after the thermal shower disappeared fast and the group strung right out like the field in a tough alpine mountain stage of the Tour de France
Getting up at 3am is not so hard when you are awake from the cold anyway. We huddled around the fire for an early breakfast and then set off towards the Summit still another 1000m above us. From the start the going was tough as we hiked up steeply on loose sand or gravel and once again the group strung out along the ridge to the summit. Dawn broke while I was about 30 minutes below the top. I stood there by myself (panting with the effort) and watched and the sun illuminate a huge panorama across the island and cast an enormous shadow. After some more considerable effort I and a few other reached the peak and boy was it worth it. I really felt top of the world. It was honestly one of he toughest things I have done physically and the relief of making it coupled with the amazing view almost brought a tear to my eye...not. We could only hang out at the top for 20 minutes or so due to the cold (the socks I wore on my hands only did so much) and so we headed back down.
In the end all but three of our group made it to the top so there was a good spirit back at camp while we packed up and took some final photos. Then, unfortunately for my blistered feet and my weary knees we had to start our 5 hour decent down to the bottom at Sembalun Lewang.
Overall I had some amazing moments, finished my biggest climb ever and made some new friends along the way.


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Seattle opens OTAs with off-field distractionsBy TIM BOOTH , Associated Press
May. 20, 2013 7:16 PM ET
RENTON, Wash. (AP) — Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks started organized team activities on Monday with very little talk about anything that took place on the field.
That was understandable considering the recent news about suspensions and arrests.
"It's a very important opportunity for us to go ahead and figure it out and to help these guys so they can get what they deserve," Carroll said. "Unfortunately you go wrong you get popped and that's how this thing works. I'm really disappointed we have to deal with anything like this but there is going to be other issues to and we're going to have to deal with them."
Carroll gave a lengthy opening statement after Seattle's first OTA workout, addressing head on the recent off-field problems that have put some of his players in the headlines.
The bad news for Seattle started last Friday when defensive end Bruce Irvin was suspended for the first four games of the 2013 season after testing positive for performance enhancing substances. That was followed by news Monday morning that backup quarterback Josh Portis was arrested on investigation of driving under the influence on May 5 and faces a court arraignment next week.
Seattle's already finding itself under increased scrutiny because of last season's success and offseason moves that have left the Seahawks a popular choice to contend for a spot in the Super Bowl. That is the kind of attention Carroll wants for his team, and not what came Monday.
"We've got to make the right decision as players. It's up to us to make the right decision at the end of the day. It doesn't matter what the coaches says positively, negatively, whatever, we have to make the decision as players," Seattle QB Russell Wilson said. "We'll definitely do that. I think one thing is we have to continue to be leaders in the locker room and let everyone know that's unacceptable. It's one of those things we'll move on but we'll still support the guys, whoever is in trouble or whatever, but the next guy has to step up and that's always the case."
Irvin became the fifth Seattle player to be suspended for using banned substances since 2011, a troubling trend. Six have tested positive, with only cornerback Richard Sherman having his suspension overturned on appeal last December. John Moffitt, Allen Barbre, Winston Guy, Brandon Browner and Irvin have received four-game suspensions. Barbre was later released by the team, while the other four are still on Seattle's roster.
Carroll said the Seahawks go beyond the league requirements for educating players, but he said they will continue to re-evaluate what needs to be done.
"Continually because it's not right yet. We all know that there are big issues. It's not just here it's not just in sports. It's in schools. It's everywhere," he said. "We have to try and figure it out and help through education and all of the ways that we can and we'll always compete to try and find more creative ways to make the message clear."
Irvin will be eligible to participate in all offseason activities and preseason practices and games, but will be suspended without pay for the opening four games at Carolina, home for San Francisco and Jacksonville and at Houston. Irvin will be eligible to return to Seattle's active roster on Sept. 30 following the Seahawks' Week 4 game against the Texans.
Both Irvin and Portis were on the field Monday.
"For Bruce we're going to try and help him along as best as we possibly can. He's made an enormous commitment to try and do the right thing and try to be right and he made a mistake. And he admitted it," Carroll said. "He owned up to it to his teammates and he owned up to it to the staff and he owns up to it to everybody. He wants to do right and show that he can and we're going to see that through and see if we can't get that done for him."
According to a report from the Washington State Patrol, Portis was arrested on May 5 after he was pulled over for driving 80 mph in a 60 mph zone on Interstate 90. The arresting officer wrote he noticed "a strong odor of intoxicants" coming from the vehicle and that Portis performed poorly in field sobriety tests. Portis later gave a breath test that registered .092 and .078. The legal limit in Washington state is .08.
Portis is in his second stint with the Seahawks. He was re-signed by Seattle in early April after they traded Matt Flynn to Oakland. He is expected to compete with Jerrod Johnson and Brady Quinn for one of the backup quarterback spots on Seattle's roster.
Notes: New DE Cliff Avril did not participate on Monday after suffering a plantar fascia injury in his foot about four weeks ago. Carroll said Avril is doing well in his recovery and is expected to start running later this week. ... RB Marshawn Lynch was not present Monday, the only non-injured Seahawks player not taking part. Asked about Lynch's absence, Carroll noted the workouts were voluntary. ... TE Anthony McCoy left the workout with an ankle injury. Carroll did not know the severity.
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I was called up on the phone today by a guy from Jyllands-Posten, which is, as some will know, a major Danish newspaper. The guy in the other end told me they've just converted to a tabloid format and wanted to sell me and Kaplak a subscription for one year, and he would give me a free laptop too, if I'd take his offer. I thought the offer sounded a bit suspicious but didn't decline, as I thought a free laptop always might come in handy. So I said I couldn't decide right now, and went online to search for more information on this offer using Google.
I didn't find much on the laptop offer. Instead, this turned out to be an interesting case of using search and of what one finds when looking for something else. I stumbled over this article in Jyllands-Posten (now also quoted in this space), which I found sufficiently interesting to spend a few minutes hunting down the object of the article, this video, which was first posted to YouTube, but then taken down by the service :
The story goes like this : Bilka, a large Danish chain of supermarket stores sells computers. One of their customers had an unusual agenda. Unnoticed he used a demo model of a laptop which was showcased in one of their stores (located in Holstebro) to play a porn movie for customers which happened to be passing by. Meanwhile their reactions were captured with the laptop's built-in webcam. Apparently the plan was put into action using a USB stick to get the movie onto the showcased laptop. Some way the perpetrator managed to get the footage of customers' reactions edited and uploaded to YouTube, from where it was later removed (by YouTube). It is now an entry in the collection of YouTomb, a MIT study dedicated to takedown patterns on YouTube (and other online services).
Fortunately, someone also uploaded this obvious case of the consumer-producer convergence to other online spaces, from where it may be seen and be redistributed. The days have passed when YouTube could take down a video and then it would cease to exist on the internet.
This story is a good case of PageRank which generates activity for all the wrong reasons. The video didn't appear in Google's own video results, for obvious reasons. YouTube took down the video so they wouldn't include it, and Google's video search is not (yet) very good at locating video from third party sources. Clearly Bilka doesn't like to get all this attention from a story like this and have likely been trying to shut it down. And I wasn't even looking for something about Bilka or for cases like this. So why did I find it?
Thanks to PageRank, it is easy to find these kinds of cases, as they are typically linked to from a number of places. PageRank also makes it difficult to find stuff, because these kind of stories prioritized by PageRank are deeply irrelevant to the information I was seeking : my original search for something on the laptop offer. I didn't find what I was really looking for. But in this case, this wasn't important enough for me to not be easily swayed from my way.
To find the story, the only keywords I had to use was "Jyllands-Posten" and "laptop", originally searching for something on the laptop offer I received. Subsequently, after I found the article from the paper's website, I tracked down the video in question, mostly out of pure stubbornness and refusal to let YouTube decide what's good for me. It also seems strange to me to have a news story on the internet about a video, but not display the video. I wanted to see it for myself. In order to find it, I looked for "video" with the other keywords "Bilka", "porno" (Danish for "porn") and "Holstebro", and dug up the title it had on YouTube before the takedown. After the takedown, someone posted the title of the video, "Electronic Harassment #1 – Porno on Laptop" along with the YouTube user name of the user who uploaded it. After that it was easy to locate it somewhere else. I was lucky it still carried the same title.
I can't help but find this story incredibly funny. In all it's comical simplicity, pulling this stunt showcases the shift in power, voice and authority, which distributed computing and online media enables – from large respectable companies, channels and filters to every one of us, independent of filters, disrespectfully engaging, limits imposed only by the audacity of our creativity. Let's continue our work to find and build filters, which are independent of YouTube, Facebook and other such services, which so ridiculously lie flat on their stomachs for yesterday's norms and masters. Which have so little concern for the individual voice of experimental producers, that it's just sickening. And let's spread stuff like this wide and far, to let executives everywhere know, that we know, that their unquestioned power is about to end – if it hasn't already. "Everybody fucks".
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Applied to government, sleaze connotes disreputable, shabby, probably unethical activities — a violation of public trust, but not necessarily illegal. Outright corruption, of course, exists in Maine. In the 1990s, Democratic house speaker John Martin's top aide went to jail for ballot-box tampering. In the 1980s, a Democratic legislator tampered with absentee ballots — for which he, too, went to the slammer. Governmental corruption at its nastiest is responsible for the physical, sexual, and mental abuse chronically prevalent in state institutions, directly and through careless oversight.
Ugly stuff. Mere sleazy activity, on the other hand, would include things like a gang of Maine Turnpike Authority executives regularly wining and dining each other lavishly, at public expense, or cheerfully letting turnpike contractors pick up their tabs (see "E-ZPass on Ethics," by Lance Tapley, August 3, 2006).
Capitol-watchers have frequently drawn my attention to what they see as suspicious friendships between Governor John Baldacci and lobbyists-campaign fundraisers Severin Beliveau and James Mitchell. A real-estate company partly owned by Beliveau has obtained a lot of state-office rentals. The administration sold the state's wholesale liquor monopoly to a Beliveau client in a deal that possibly cost the state treasury hundreds of millions of dollars. And the governor keeps trying to get the Legislature to send prisoners to an out-of-state corporate lockup represented by his cousin Mitchell. I've never found anything illegal in these matters, but they smell pretty high to a lot of people.
Maine government smells most where special interests hold sway, the odors usually arising from the corrupting influence of money. Books have been written about the subservience of Maine government to financial power, notably William Osborn's The Paper Plantation: The Nader Report on the Pulp and Paper Industry in Maine, which in the 1970s described the forest industry's historical political dominance.
Ever wonder why the corporations and the rich folks who own them are continually rewarded with tax breaks while state services are slashed for the poor, the sick, the elderly, and the disabled? Ever wonder why the Legislature hasn't fashioned a more equitable tax system despite decades of public outcry? For the same reason both Democrats and Republicans in Washington continue to reward Wall Street's greedy incompetents despite colossal public anger: politicians, lobbyists, corporate leaders, top bureaucrats, and some just-plain-rich people constitute a self-dealing private and public elite, Democrat and Republican, that controls the government — an elite that plays musical chairs. Just like in Washington, in Augusta there's a revolving door between the public and private sectors. Politics isn't so much ideology as influence.
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MADISON, Wis. - The man who died in an accident at a Mazomanie business Wednesday is identified as Marc Nondorf, 54, of Dodgeville, according to the Dane County Medical Examiner's Office.
Nondorf was killed at Wick Buildings when a load of trusses collapsed on him.
Deputies and paramedics were called to 341 Walter Rd. in Mazomanie, at about 8:45 a.m. for a workplace accident.
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BARRINGTON – Accelerated Rehabilitation Physical Therapist Alecia Grounds admits that she thought golfing was simple, until she tried the sport for herself."It was much harder than I thought," Grounds said.Already specializing in helping clients improve their running performance, Grounds decided to become Nike Golf Functional Performance certified last February.The program, powered by the Gray Institute, teaches movement professionals the functional and logical process of golf-specific principals, strategies and techniques.If a client has pain during or after their golf game, Grounds helps them to break down their movement with video software and correct their swing.In a scheduled golf evaluation Friday morning, Grounds video-taped the golf swing of Kildeer resident and hobby golfer John Schleder. Grounds used Dartfish video analysis software to assess a golfer's mobility, stability and power.Grounds said golf therapy is usually a one-time visit. Evaluation and testing takes about an hour and Grounds recommends various exercises to improve mobility at home.Grounds focuses on how body joints are affected during golf – what happens to ankles, hips, knees and backs during the golf swing and follow through.But, because of the rehabilitation setting of where she works, Grounds said most of her golf clients are seen post-injury."People typically don't want to fix their swing until they are in pain," Grounds said.The golf evaluation can be paid for out-of-pocket, or covered by insurance if the physical therapy is doctor-prescribed, Grounds said.Schleder was referred to Accelerated Rehabilitation Barrington by a podiatrist after being struck in a hit-and-run bike accident.Hit by another biker, Schleder said he experienced constant ankle pain and ligament damage until he started the rehab program."Alecia has been outstanding and helpful through the healing process," Schleder said. "The pain is nearly gone."Playing golf about three times per month during spring and summer, Schleder said he decided to try the golf therapy program in hopes of a pain-free golf season."I couldn't swing a golf club immediately after my injury," Schleder said. "I was in a cast for eight weeks. I'm just hoping to return to my fitness routine and maybe gain a few tips."Using frame-by-frame video analysis, Grounds finds that mobility is different for every client, but most golfers have tightness in the hips. Grounds said she would like to work more closely with golf professionals or personal trainers in the future."There's multiple golf courses in the Barrington area and a lot of people physically cannot do what their trainer is telling them to do," Grounds said. "Once we improve mobility at home, correct their mechanics and free up their range of motion, their golf game will improve greatly."On the green, Grounds recommends warming up and stretching beforehand."It's important to stay flexible throughout the entire year, not just during outdoor golf season" Grounds said. "I see more physical therapy patients during the spring because they think if they rest all winter, they'll be good-to-go by spring and they end up hurting themselves doing too much, too soon."Grounds said her goal is to break the "only hurts when I golf" stigma associated with pain by correcting her client's movement off the green.
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Golf safety tipsAdjust your swing: Think about your posture before and during your swing. Stand with your feet shoulder-width apart and distribute your weight equally on booth feet. Avoid hunching over the ball, which may contribute to neck and back strain.
Stay smooth: Don't overemphasize your wrists during your swing, which can lead to golfer's elbow – a strain on forearm muscles.
Don't overswing: Relax and take a nice, easy swing at the ball.
Warm up: Try a brisk walk or set of jumping jacks. Stretch your arms, wrists, forearms, elbows, shoulders, spine and pelvis.
Start slowly: Work up to your desired level of activity.
Strengthen your muscles: Do strength training exercises year-round.
Build endurance: Regular aerobic activity can give you staying power on the course. Try walking, jogging, bicycling or swimming.
Lift and carry clubs carefully: Keep your back straight and use the strength of your legs to carry golf bags and heavy clubs.
Choose proper footwear: Dress for comfort and protection from the elements. Wear golf shoes with short cleats. Long cleats dig into the sod and hold your feet planted as you swing, which may strain your knees and ankles.
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JD there was a spill, here are some details from a TV source.
"Clean up at Nose Creek- Sunday, May 12
It appears some of the product that had settled in sub surface made its way to top of the water and making its way to the Bow river, says Don Wilson, a hazardous waste officer. We dont want ever to see something get into the Bow River.
Crews are taking no chances with this clean up effort. They're even putting booms in irrigation canals near Chestermere Lake. The job began Saturday when crews responded to an oil spill where more than 750 litres of used oil leaked from a tank onto the roadway. The oil ended up in the storm sewer system and ultimately made its way to nearby Nose creek."
JD, I have not heard any more since Sunday. The concern is that the insect hatches would be affected.... The creek is right here in town and would affect the most productive section of the fishery, downstream for 25+miles.
But the Bow is a big river so we hope things will be OK. My concern is that run off has yet to come but Nose Creek is not a major trib of the bow, so that's a bit of a comfort.
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|John that's the same stuff. I was thinking the same idea, pearl fishskin & cactus chenille with white maribou.
|John... That would make a great striper fly too I think.. I used some of that fish skin on one of the bonefish flys I tied . The material I used came in 3" by 5" sheets. I cut it in the shape i wanted...HHHmmmm ...This fly gives me an idea for a sand eel pattern. great job.
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Hi Pete, No I don't have any special pike tactics or flies they mostly are caught by chance. They can be an exciting chance meeting though.
How's the Bow, I heard something about an oil spill in a tributary recently. I hope it wasn't bad.
John, this looks great.
Similar design to a local "killer Fly" AKA Gartside Leech, Black & Chartreuse.
I tried one last year to get some Pickerel/Walleye but only once got past the pike that were sitting higher in the water column.
Do you have patterns or techniques that you use to specifically target Pickerel??
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|Mark, it's pretty durable. The materials primary use is for skirts on offshore trolling lures. I figure that I'll hang it up in a snag long before the material gets torn up. Oh, it is tied in. If your interested I'll bring one to the Conn clave for you.
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John- That fly looks like it's loaded with potential. I have a question: how durable is that tail material, and if it gets chewed up how feasible is it to get replaced with another? Just wondering if another tail can be slid onto the hook like a soft tailed jig, or if the material is anchored by tying thread.
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This years warmwater experiment
The fly below is one of this years experiments.
Hook: TMC 8089 size 10 (a 4 or 6 on a regular streamer hook)
beadhead: Bronze
Tail: chartruese Fish skin (Area Rule Engineering trolling skirt matl)
Body: Chartruese chenille with a black maribou feather palmered over it.
Weed Guard: Double Mono loop
So far in 1/2 hour of testing it has produced a heart stopping strike from a pickerel as I lifted the fly for a cast at my feet. The weed guard has worked well at keeping weeds off the hook and the tail has not fouled.
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Not every bank has fared as well:Both banks now stand astride post-bailout Wall Street, having benefited from billions of dollars in taxpayer support and cheap government financing to climb over banks that continue to struggle. They are capitalizing on the turmoil in financial markets and their rivals weakness to pull in billions in trading profits.
And then there are the legions of regional and small banks that are falling in greater numbers across the country. While many have racked up large losses, they stand to bleed more red ink if the recession wears on. Fifty-three have failed this year, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation is girding for scores to follow.Michael J. Cavanagh, the chief financial officer at JPMorgan, said its profit and fees from this business were a record for us in a quarter and a record for anybody at any firm in any quarter. The bank, he added, was so very proud of those results.What happens if they screw up again, and are again considered "too big to let them fail"?It has also profited from the demise of weaker banks to enlarge its market share in mortgages and retail banking. On Tuesday, as the CIT Group, a lender to many small businesses, negotiated with the government to avoid collapse, JPMorgan signaled that it was watching.
Yet JPMorgans transformation into one of the industrys strongest players is underpinned by the shelter it received from the government: The bank used the money as a cushion until it was able to raise new capital. There is no doubt all of us benefited from the government help all of us, said a senior executive at another Wall Street bank.The payoff began last year. With the industry teetering on the verge of collapse, JPMorgan snapped up Bear Stearns in March 2008 and Washington Mutual last fall in two government-assisted transactions. Clients say that its growing dominance has given it more leverage to charge for lending and other services.I suppose the bright side is that since they're going to be paying back their billions in assistance and the government warrants are going to be auctioned, the government will have some billions to spend on some other good stuff.Mr. Dimon is also gearing up for a series of battles in Washington. One is over tighter regulations for derivatives, a business where the bank generates lucrative fees as one of the industrys largest players.
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TUPELO – An Oklahoma pastor is serving as the evangelist at a local Christian camp just two weeks after losing his home in the devastating EF5 tornado in Moore, Okla.
Jeff Sloan and his wife were ordering lunch May 20 when they received a call from their 18-year-old son Josh Sloan. The Sloans knew severe weather threatened the Oklahoma City area and their hometown of Moore that day, but the call took them by surprise.
"When I called them, I was looking at the tornado coming right towards us," the son recalled. "It wasn't like the movies. This was literally just a massive dark cloud that touched the ground. It was terrifying."
Jeff Sloan had recently accepted a pastoral job in Bixby, a Tulsa suburb about two hours from Moore, and was closing on his new house. His two sons, Josh and Caleb Sloan, were at the house in Moore and quickly drove to seek shelter at nearby Hillsdale Freewill Baptist College, where Jeff had been the head of the ministry department for seven years.
The boys watched the tornado rip through their neighborhood from a distance at the college. At the end of the day, that storm killed 23 people and injured 377. The boys were unharmed, but as they approached the home, they discovered more than just wind damage.
"I don't know if you saw the news coverage of the destruction," Jeff Sloan said, "but our house was the one that was on fire. It was already bad enough that our stuff had blown away, but then the house burned. They think it was something electrical."
Virtually nothing remained. In fact, the Sloans could only recover four things from their property – four Precious Moments figurines that are very significant for the family: from the Sloans' wedding and the birth of each of their three children.
"Those four things represented the four most significant things in my life," the pastor said. "It was definitely a God thing that we were able to recover those things."
This week, Jeff Sloan is in Tupelo serving as the evangelist at Morganwood Camp, a Free Will Baptist summer camp located just southeast of Elvis Presley Lake.
Plans were made in December for Sloan to preach at Morganwood. Camp teen week director Paul Bryant contacted Sloan and asked if he would be interested in being the evangelist for this week's camp, which is hosting seventh through 12th grade students from area Free Will Baptist churches.
"I've known Jeff for quite a while," Bryant said. "We contacted him after the storm hit and told him that we could find another speaker for the week. He said there was a reason he needed to be here, so now he's here."
That reason, Sloan said, is to use his story to minister to teenagers in a unique way.
"I never questioned that I still needed to come to Morganwood and share my story this week," Jeff said. "I am using this as an opportunity to show the goodness of God, even through suffering."


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With classroom practice as its frame of reference, this course will explore strategies and methods of general music education in elementary and secondary school settings. Through active participation in classroom music activities, students will develop their own creative approaches to musical, pedagogical and critical thinking in addition to reflective skills with a view toward empowering the design and implementation of curriculum for music appreciation, history, theory, composition, and alternative performance topics. Special attention will be paid to the integration of music technology and the National Standards for Arts Education.
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GTalk TLS Handshake Bug
Since late February I stopped seeing my GTalk friends in my IM client. I use a personal Jabber server (jabberd2) and all its connections to the GTalk servers were being dropped. After some investigation in the web, I found that Google:
- Uses a buggy TLS implementation.
- Has activated encryption for s2s connections starting in February.
As GTalk connectivity is very important for any open Jabber server, many servers have published workarounds for the problem. Here is a patch for jabberd2. A new release (126.96.36.199) of jabberd2 was also made to address the issue.
I have jabberd2 2.2.4 in my server. For some reason, I could not make 184.108.40.206 work because of some problems with the Berkeley DB back end. I ended up applying this patch to 2.2.4 and it fixed the problem. I also created a bug report in the Fedora Bugzilla, so maybe a fixed package will be pushed as an update.


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I kept my holiday tradition of reading a SW book over the Christmas holiday. Since I didn't have an extended vacation, like in years past, I went with a couple of young adult books.
Read the first two Jedi Apprentice books and am finishing up the young Boba Fett adventures #3 tonight.
I'll have to track down more of the Jedi Apprentice books. I thoroughly enjoyed reading about pre-padawan Obi-Wan.
I've been wanting to get Death Star from the library, but it's always checked out. I might read X-Wing: Wraith Squadron in the meantime.


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The key is looking for the smallest, most minute step toward the behavior you want. For horses it's often as slight as shifting weight in the right direction. For more info, I suggest the book "Don't Shoot the Dog" or googling "shaping."
For the same reason Remi goes nuts when I get out the prong collar (it means OB training, which he loves), he'll start to associate the tool with reward- and a jackpot size reward if he really gets it.
For my cattle dog the jackpot was jerky. I'd go to the gas station and when he saw the beef stick, he knew it was nail time, but that he would get the jerky when we were done. He always has been smarter than the lab though
ADD: the flip side of this is not to move faster than he allows or you'll throw it all away. If he lets you pet him with the dremel on today, but he didn't yesterday, call it quits and go further tomorrow, or the next day. It sounds like you may be going a bit fast.


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|Propwash A boat is a hole in the water into which you pour... good times!
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Well, because of all this I am actually installing a seperator in the boat this evening. Looks simple enough, and I figure its good security. Change the filter every 100 hours for a few bucks and peace of mind.
Other than that, it looks like i'll just need to make sure to use the boat so the gas doesn't sit!
TimSt sent me a very good link from Chevron outlining some of the issues with Ethanol Oxygentated fuels.
Attached is the link and some key points.
"The situation is different for gasoline oxygenated with 10 vol % ethanol. The gasoline-alcohol blend can dissolve more water (60007000 ppm at 21°C/70°F). When this blend is cooled, both the water and some of the ethanol become insoluble. Contacting the blend with more water also draws ethanol from the blend. The result, in both cases, is two layers of liquid: an upper ethanol-deficient gasoline layer and a lower ethanol-rich (up to 75% ethanol) water layer. The process is called phase separation and it occurs because ethanol is completely soluble in water but only marginally soluble in hydrocarbons. After phase separation, the gasoline layer will have a lower octane number and may knock in an engine. The fuel also is less volatile. The engine will not run on the water/ethanol layer. As the concentration of ethanol is decreased, the aromatics content of the gasoline is decreased, and as temperature is decreased, less water is required to cause a phase separation.
The potential for phase separation requires that gasoline oxygenated with ethanol not be exposed to water during its distribution or use in a vehicle. Because of this requirement, gasoline oxygenated with ethanol is not transported in pipelines, which sometimes contain water. Rather, the ethanol is added to tanker trucks at the terminal immediately before delivery to the service station. Housekeeping at the service station is very important to prevent water contamination. This water sensitivity also means that extra care should be taken when gasoline oxygenated with ethanol is used as a fuel for boat engines. Ethanol blends are hygroscopic (absorb moister from the air) and in time can phase separate during storage if the tank is vented to the atmosphere and is subject to breathing as a result of temperature changes. "
Us Diesel truck owners went through this a few years back when the low sulfur fuels came out and the new ultra low sulfur fuels that are coming have the rumors flying that our older engines will not run on them, fuel pumps will lock up etc.. in the end everything was OK
The best thing to do is look to see what the engine manufacturer has to say about it. they should be issung service bulletins soon enough (I would hope). Carrying some spare filters & water seprators is sage advice and should be done regardless
I think we are going to see some wild speculation and hear some horror stories (some true, some not) about all this before it is over & done. But in the end I think everything will fine. If your fuel system is real sludgey or you were not too careful about keeping things clean you probably will encounter some problems with the alcohol. It also attracts water and imulsifies it....That is how dry gas works.
I just talked with my mechanic about this as well and he echoed what Rip Ryder said. Run down your tank until near empty before refueling with the ethanol fuel. New and old do not mix well. Keep an extra water seperator filter on board. You'll know when it is time to use it. It doesnt actually sound like any particles or sludge would actually make it through the water seperator filter (we hope). I have been using an alchohol based additive for a number of years , Evinrude 2+4(which has really helped the performance of the engine) but you do NOT want to use these with the new fuel. However, Yamaha owners can continue to use Ring Free. They also said not to leave the ethanol fuel dormant for 60-90days(not a problem for most fishermen). Which means next winter we will probably be storing our tanks empty. They also said, a little too seriously, to cross my fingers.
I would really like to hear from NY boaters that have already gone through this if you have any advice or warning signs to look for; especially with fuel line issues as mine are going on ten years this summer. Thanks in advance.
With all due respect, I believe the amount of agitation fuel gets sloshing around in the tank of a boat, would elimiate the problem of sludge and gunk settling in the bottom of the tank. Running the tank low is not a good idea, as most gauges are less than accurate. If you do, make sure your Sea Tow is paid up!
Do keep an eye, however, on your filters. When reformulated fuels were first introduced we saw a lot of problems with fuel line degradation, most of it was caused by MTBE though, so if you survived that,,,,,,,,,,,
|Rip Ryder
Conn. went through this problem last year. And from what I have heard it was a major problem for boaters. You may not be to bad off where your boat is newer. I would strongly suggest carrying a spare water seperater filter and spare engine fuel filter. You may also think about putting a stainless clam shell over your fuel vent. That is the number one place for water to enter your fuel on the boat. I would also run your tank down a few times during the season, so not to let the tank have old fuel sitting on the bottom creating the gunk. It can be so bad for the older boats that fueling up stirs up the gunk and they don't even get off the fuel dock before all hell breaks loose. I posted something about this on thehulltruth.com and got some replies from the Conn. boaters.
Good luck.
Capt Keith
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Learnings continue...
I was hunting around on the web site for Motiva which runs the major distribution center in Providence. Listed on their site were customer service numbers for Shell and Texaco. I figured it couldn't hurt to give the Shell number a call. To my surprise by selecting the right prompts I ended up with one of their chemical engineers on the other end of the line. While I was on the phone he was pulling up spreadsheets with formulations by month for all the New England states. As it turns out we are running MTBE in RI as of February data. He did say the pipeline that heads in our direction was going MTBE free and that he would expect Ethanol to be in our fuel before long. I was very surprised with his candor regarding the issues of the fuel in Marine environments. Water and the solvent properties I have read about he confirmed and even went on to say that they had warned "them" about it. Didn't want to push who "them" was but it was good to hear from the horses mouth if you will that I am not wasting my time learning about this stuff. He said there should be indicators on the pumps indicating the presence of ethanol in the fuel like there is for MTBE and also said to watch your local gas stations as their should be tank cleaning activity right before the switch due to the solvent properties of the ethanol.
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|Thanks Sean.
I read a few more things on this issue and of course the more you read the less you know! I spoke with RI DEM and apparantly there may or may not be Ethanol in our fuel this spring. RI passed a law last year that MTBE be removed from our fuel by July of '07 but at the same time the Feds passed two other bills that will affect what we see at the pump. The first was a bill that no longer required fuel to be oxygenated. The second was a bill that a minimum amount of ethanol had to be added to our gas by the refineries at the national level. So, whether or not we have ethanol will be somewhat up to the individual distributors more so than a state mandate. I'll certainly post if I learn more.
I understand that RI is going to the new E-10 Gasohol by April 15th (10 % Ethanol blend) and I believe Mass is going the same direction as well. There has been a ton of information out there on this stuff with varying degrees of issues. The general consensus is that the Ethanol acts as a solvent and will do everything from clean out gunk in your lines (and those of the tanker trucks, pumps etc...) to dissolve the adhesives used in making older glass fuel tanks. I spoke with my dealer today and they are urging using a new 10 micron fuel filter and changing it often. In addition you should be keeping an eye on the fuel water separator under the hood of the motor for any signs of debris. Other issues include older boats experiencing degradation of the fuel lines if they are not rated for alcohol blends. I would definitely keep this in mind as you fill up this spring and make sure you are not experiencing any issues before making a long run. I know this made up my mind when considering renewing my Sea Tow membership. I will be happy to PM some links to anyone looking for more info. I am all for more environmentally friendly fuels but don't want to end up 15 miles out with no power. Lets keep each other in the loop if anyone experiences any issues.
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Caraotas Negras - Venezuelan-Style Black Beans
In Venezuela, black beans, called Caraotas Negras, can be found simmering on the stove in kitchens throughout the country. Venezuelan Black Beans are an important component of the national dish, Pabellon Criollo, served with white rice and shredded beef. Caraotas Negras are also served stuffed into freshly-toasted arepas (corn patties) with shredded white cheese. Recipes for Caraotas Negras vary by region and family (in central Venezuela, home cooks often add brown sugar). Either way, this authentic, Venezuelan recipe is not to be missed!
Serves 8
Prep time: 10 min.
Total time: 30 min.
2 slices bacon, finely chopped
˝ large onion, finely chopped (about ľ cup)
˝ red and/or green bell pepper, finely chopped
1 tbsp. GOYA® Minced Garlic
1 tbsp. GOYA® Brown Sugar Cane (Panela), finely grated, or 1 tbsp. brown sugar (optional)
2 cans (15.5 oz. each) GOYA® Black Beans
GOYA® Adobo All-Purpose Seasoning with Pepper, to taste
3 sprigs fresh cilantro, finely chopped
1 tbsp. GOYA® Extra Virgin Olive Oil
2 oz. queso blanco, grated (for serving)
|Add bacon to medium saucepan over medium-high heat. Cook until fat is rendered and bacon begins to crisp, about 7 minutes. Add onions, peppers and garlic. Cook, stirring occasionally, until onions soften and begin to brown, about 12 minutes. Stir in brown sugar cane (if desired), stirring until well combined.
|Stir in black beans, ľ cup water and Adobo. Bring mixture to boil. Reduce heat to medium-low. Simmer, stirring occasionally, until bean mixture thickens and beans are heated through, 10-15 minutes more. Stir in cilantro and olive oil just before serving. Top with queso blanco, if desired.
|Serve as part of Venezuelan Shredded Beef (Pabellon Criollo) or serve with Arepas.
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So when the Avatar was 6 months old I thought about pet insurance. I checked the threads here on the subject and decided to get a catastrophic policy in case he needed a brain transplant or something. I selected Embrace cause they offerd one and it sounded like a good deal.
Two years later, I realized that between stitches for a cut pad and tests for a chronic condition I had met the conditions for the policy. I went back and gathered all the paperwork and sent a mountain of it in all at once, some of the claims where older than the 90 days Embrace allows but I sent them in anyway.
Long story short: they did exactly what the said they would do to the penny, and they did it quickly and cheerfully and even accepted the claim older than 90 days. I just got my renewal notice and, just as advertised, did not get cancelled or a rate increase.
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Teach for America , the national corps of recent college graduates who commit two years to teach in underresourced public schools, grew out of Kopp's senior thesis. Since its inception in 1990, the effort has fielded more than 9,000 corps members in 18 locations from Los Angeles to the Mississippi Delta to New York.
In her 2001 book "One Day, All Children: The Unlikely Triumph of Teach for America and What I Learned Along the Way," Kopp recounts her story of how she started Teach for America and developed it into the successful organization it is today. She discusses how the nation can reach Teach for America's vision that all children will have the opportunity to attain an excellent education.
Kopp is the chair of the board of the New Teacher Project, a nonprofit consulting group spun off from Teach for America. The project helps school districts and states recruit and develop new teachers more effectively. In 2003, Kopp was appointed to the President's Council on Service and Civic Participation.
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Qihoo 360 Technology (QIHU) announced better than expected earnings and said first quarter sales would be higher than analyst forecasts. Could investors have asked for anything more?
I suppose so. Qihoo's shares have dropped 1.1% to $34.82 in after-hours trading.
Qihoo reported revenue of $103 million, up 65% from $62.3 million during the fourth quarter of 2011 and above analyst forecasts of $93.56 million, according to Briefing.com. It also reported diluted earnings per ADS of 22 cents, above analyst forecasts for 17 cents. It also said that it would post sales of $104.5 billion to $106.5 billion during the first quarter of 2013, above estimates for $92.06 million.
For those watching the search battle between Qihoo and Baidu (BIDU), Qihoo CEO Hongyi Zhou had this to say in a press release:
A major milestone during the fourth quarter of 2012 was the launch of our search engine monetization effort through both an internal monetization system and external partnership. We believe we are well positioned to capture a significant portion of the search market and help shape the competitive landscape in China, which will have a long-lasting transformative effect on our business model.
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SpeakEasy Stage Company constructed in Five by Tenn, which was made up of recently unearthed short plays by Tennessee Williams that were connected by director Scott Edmiston, an exquisite evening that traced the arc of Williams's development as both artist and sexual being. And Hartford Stage demonstrated, in Michael Wilson's subdued yet sensual staging of Summer and Smoke with Amanda Plummer, that the Williams plays you've heard of aren't half bad either.
The characters of Jean-Paul Sartre's iconic 1944 one-act No Exit are in Hell, but at American Repertory Theatre they appeared to be still negotiating the River Styx on a raft. In Jerry Mouawad's ingenious staging, the tight piece of Hades real estate occupied by the play's three newcomers was a 17-foot square raised three feet off the ground that tipped and tilted in relation to the actors' movements. Will LeBow, Paula Plum, and Karen MacDonald negotiated both text and platform in a production that was both an apt visual metaphor and a hell of a stunt.
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