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Game #3 Southern (2-0) vs. California Golden Bears (1-1)
Location; Haas Pavilion
Date; Nov 23rd, 2004 (scheduled for 7:00 PM PST start time)
A Look at the Southern Jaguars:
Southern Coaching Staff
Head Coach: Michael Grant (2nd year at Southern)
Assistants: Derek Thompson, Elwyn McRoy Jr
Projected Starting Five (returning starters in bold; 2004-05 statistics):
PG – Chris Alexander 6'1 185 Jr; (1.5 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.5 apg) – Redlands CC, El Reno OK/Eisenhower HS, Lawton OK
SG – Jerimie Collier 6'2 180 Sr; (13.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.0 apg, 9% 3-Ptr) – Avg 27 mpg in 1st year after transfer
SF – Jarvis Vaughn 6'4 185 Sr; (9.5 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.5 apg) – Undersized veteran in his 4th and final season as a Jag
PF – Alvin Mott 6'6 205 Jr; (5.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg) – Georgia Perimeter CC, Clarkston GA via South Cobb HS/Austell GA
C – Peter Cipriano 6'9 225 Sr; (26.5 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 76% FG) – Two year starter, averaging 9.2 ppg & 7.3 rpg during Southern career
Key Reserves:
SG – Brandon Wardlow 5'11 185 Sr; (8.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.5 apg) – co-Captain avg 20 minutes per game in 2003-04
PG – Trayvean Scott 6'0 170 Sr; (5.0 ppg, 1.5 apg) – Baton Rouge native in his 4th year at Southern
SG – J.R Nicholas 6'3 210 Sr; (0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.0 apg) – Senior eligible Liberty transfer
SF – Nicholas Egland 6'5 215 Jr; (3.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg) – Appeared in all 28 games in 2003-04, Avg 5.4 ppg & 4.8 rpg
PF – Joseph Jack 6'9 200 So; (1.5 ppg, 0.5 rpg) – Averaged just over 10 minutes per game as a freshman
C – Jerrid Campbell 6'8 240 Jr; (0.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg) – Played just 5 games in past two seasons after standout 1st year
The Jaguars will be one of the top teams in the Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) in 2004-05 as they put in their second season under Head Coach Michael Grant. Replacing a legend like former Southern coach Ben Jobe hasn't easy for Grant (whose brother Gary played at Michigan and in the NBA.) But with probably the best returning roster in the conference, Coach Grant should find winning easier this season. The Jags, who finished 5th in the SWAC a year ago, have been picked to finish 2nd in the Preseason 2004-05 SWAC media poll behind defending conference champ Alabama A&M. Why the predicted jump from fifth to second?
Expectations are up in Baton Rouge because of the talented senior scoring trio of Deon Saunders, Peter Cipriano, and Jerimie Collier. This group of seniors on an experienced Southern squad appears to be the best trio on any SWAC team this season.
The 2003-04 SWAC Newcomer of the Year and Preseason choice for SWAC Player of the Year is Deon Saunders, a silky smooth wing who posted the most impressive numbers in the SWAC last year. Like Cal's Leon Powe, Saunders led his team in scoring (18.4 ppg) and rebounding (5.8 rpg). He led the SWAC in field goal percentage (58%). Unfortunately, like Powe again, Saunders is out with a knee injury (although much less severe). He could be out until late December though reports differ on the fact that's he's been practicing or not. Either way, he did not make the trip to California and will not play. While Saunders' injury is the most significant to the Southern program, it's just one of many that the team faces. More on that later.
The loss of Saunders for part of the non-conference schedule means the scoring duties fall mainly on Southern big man Peter Cipriano. A New Jersey native in his 3rd year as a Jag, Cipriano is off to an outstanding start in his senior season after posting the best back-to-back performances of his career. After putting up 21 points and 13 rebounds in a comeback win against Kentucky State, Cipriano bounced back the next night with a career high 32 points and 15 rebounds against Stillman College. He's the best offensive weapon the Jaguars have, for now, and he'll be the go-to guy against Cal.
Teaming with Cipriano in the post are juniors Jerrid Campbell, an oft-injured post player who's been trying to regain his health, and Alvin Mott, a newcomer from Georgia Perimeter CC. Campbell had a great start to his career when he averaged nearly a double-double (10 ppg & 8 rpg) in 2002-03 - but has been victimized by the injury bug the past two seasons. Following surgery in April, his foot is still giving him trouble, but has managed 13 minutes per game so far.
Sophomore Joseph Jack, a Lake Charles, LA native, should see another 10 minutes off the bench to spell Cipriano.
In the back court, last year's starting point guard Trayvean Scott is still working his way back from a significant hand injury. The one time Texas A&M recruit from Southern Lab High School in Baton Rouge, Scott instead stayed home to play college basketball and now reigns as the Jaguars most experienced roster player with 80 career games. He's averaged between 5 and 7.6 points per game in each year of his career while grabbing 2.4 rebounds per game, so he's a steady kid. Despite the hand injury and recent surgery, he's played his way onto the floor if not yet into the starting line-up.
That's because junior Chris Alexander, a JC transfer originally from Eisenhower High School in Lawton, OK, is getting the nod. Alexander is supposedly a scoring point, but he's done little of that so far (see stats above). He's giving Coach Grant 22 minutes per game and is an ultra quick guard who possesses outstanding athleticism (he was a long jumper in high school) and brings a defensive mind set to the floor. Alexander had a stellar two-year career at Redlands CC (OK) leading his team to a 67-5 two-year record.
Senior Brandon Wardlow will also see about 20 minutes a game in the team's 4-guard rotation. He's off to a good start this year and comes in as the team's top perimeter threat. Wings Nicholas Egland and Jarvis Vaughn will split time evenly as they did a year ago though now they also have to cover the time that Saunders can't play. Vaughn will start because his season has gone well so far, but neither player is a perimeter option – the two have attempted just 17 three pointers in a total of seven combined seasons. Both players look to score in the lane.
The Jaguars have limitations not expressed by their 2-0 record. A feisty group, Southern was down 5 to Kentucky State with 32.4 seconds left in their last game. Southern made up the points on shooting guard Jerimie Collier's one and only successful three this season, plus a put back by Collier on Trayvean Scott's three-point attempt. In overtime, the reverse happened when Scott cleaned up Collier's errant three for the winner. While Kentucky State (Division II) is a solid D-II team and Stillman College (Division III) fought tough, neither game will count towards Southern's RPI.
The Jags are not close to full strength with their best player (Saunders) out, with Campbell coming back from a foot injury, with wing Nicholas Egland's extensive back problems, and former PG starter Scott coming off surgery to his hand this past September. On top of all that, Wardlow missed a week of practice a few weeks ago with a sore knee. Even their two non-eligible transfers, DeForrest Riley-Smith (Penn State) and Omar Alston (Hofstra) are out with a broken nose and ankle injury, respectively. Coach Grant has had to practice with just nine players most of the season.
At full strength, Southern University would battle for the SWAC's automatic bid. But operating from the trauma ward, we might see the Jags in the NCAA play-in game – if they make even that. Their record will suffer without Saunders.
A Look at the California Golden Bears
Cal Coaching Staff
Head Coach: Ben Braun (9th Year)
Assistants: Louis Reynaud, Joe Pasternack, George Nessman
Projected Starting Five (returning starters in bold; 2004-05 statistics):
PG – Ayinde Ubaka 6'3 200 So; (9.0 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 3.0 apg, 80% 3-Ptr) - Led team in assists; Avg nearly 30 mpg
SG – Richard Midgley 6'2 210 Jr; (11.0 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.0 apg, 33% 3-Ptr) - 2-year starter; Top 3-point shooter
SF – Marquise Kately 6'5 220 So; (16.5 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.0 apg, 44% FG) - Finished 9th in conference FG% 1 yr ago
PF – Dominic McGuire 6'9 215 So; (4.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.5 apg) - Led team with 22 blocks during the 2003-04 season
C – Rod Benson 6'10 215 Jr; (5.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg) - Finished 3rd with 15 blocks and 7th in points during sophomore year
Key Reserves:
PG – Martin Smith 5'11 170 Jr; (1.5 ppg, 3.0 apg) – Competed in 23 of 28 games as a walk-on last year
PF – David Paris 6'9 245 Jr; (9.0 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 67% FG) – Averaged 5 minutes in 22 of Cal's 28 games
SF – Eric Vierneisel 6'7 200 Fr; (6.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 67% 3-Ptr) – Jacobs HS, Algonquin IL – Led HS in ppg, apg, & rpg
PF – DeVon Hardin 6'10 235 Fr; (1.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg) – Newark HS, Newark CA – Avg 13 ppg, 12 rpg, & 4.4 bpg HS SR
PF – Kevin Langford 6'9 215 Fr; (1.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg) – North Crowley HS, Fort Worth TX – Avg. double-double as a HS Senior
Eleven days after suffering a home loss to St. Mary's College, Cal is ready to get back on the court.
"Practice, practice, practice," said Coach Braun commenting on the time off. "We just practiced, and it was very valuable for us."
The Bears, who scrimmaged against each other the morning after their first loss of the season, put in some hard work during those sessions. It was a productive time for a Cal team that didn't get to practice a lot before the season actually started, though the players would have preferred to play in New York.
But the two games in two days at Haas Pavilion in front of the home fans showed the Cal faithful some of the things the Bears are capable of and some of the areas they have to work on. Cal's post players scored 36 points against UC-Riverside and pushed the ball up-court aggressively. Then the next night those same players managed just 4 points against St. Mary's.
Cal's perimeter shooters (Vierneisel, Ubaka, and Midgley) did well, shooting over 60% from beyond the arc with the international rules in place. The Bears played with confidence the first night, but lost their patience after getting down early to St. Mary's.
"We got down early and we tried to come back in a hurry," said Coach Braun regarding the loss to St. Mary's. "We played with some frustration – that can happen early in the year. We have to avoid that pitfall. We have to understand that the game is 40 minutes."
Cal now arrives at Game #3 and a 1st time ever match-up against Southern. Coach Braun and Coach Grant have known each other since days at Michigan hoops; Coach Grant was on staff at Cleveland State a few years ago when Cal visited the Vikings. The Bears last played a SWAC team two seasons ago when Grambling played at Berkeley.
Cal and SU both take most of their shots from inside the arc. The Bears take 88% of their shots inside the three-point line while the Jaguars shoot 78% within that area. Though neither depends heavily on long distance scoring, the Bears may have an advantage here: the Jags have made 6 in 34 attempts (17%) while the Bears are 9 for 14 (64%) through two games.
Though Cal will certainly fall off that pace, look for Cal's starting back court of Midgley and Ubaka, plus reserve Eric Vierneisel to fire up more threes tonight.
Cal shooting at the free throw line (70%) gives indications of a strong improvement over last year. The Jaguars have not been as successful at the line (57%) but have done a great job of getting to the charity stripe with 38.5 attempts per game. SU knows how to draw a foul.
Perhaps the key match-up on of the night will be starters Rod Benson against Peter Cipriano in the post. While both teams will rotate players in, Cipriano's hot start to the season could come to a quick end if Benson does his job and blocks out to keep the Jaguar's big man off the boards. Benson has played in foul trouble early on this season so staying on the court and playing sound defense will be his key. Look for Cal freshman DeVon Hardin to see time against Cipriano in a supporting role.
The Bears will probably run a lot against Southern, so we can expect a high scoring up-tempo game. That will balance scoring throughout the team unless someone is feeling it – and it that's Kately, he'll see a lot minutes tonight.
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text: [[quoteright:250:http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Quest_for_Camelot_Resize_8097.jpg]]''Quest for Camelot'' (also known as ''[[MarketBasedTitle The Magic Sword]]'') is an animated film released by WarnerBros Animation in 1998. Its voice cast included Creator/GaryOldman as the villain, Ruber; [[Film/ThePrincessBride Cary Elwes]] as the male lead, Garrett; Jessalyn Gilsig as the female lead Kayley; Creator/PierceBrosnan as Myth/KingArthur; Sir John Gielgud as Merlin; Creator/GabrielByrne as Kayley's father, Sir Lionel; [[Film/LiveAndLetDie Jane Seymour]] as Kayley's mother, Lady Juliana; and [[Creator/MontyPython Eric Idle]] and [[WesternAnimation/ToyStory Don Rickles]] as a two-headed dragon with the names [[UsefulNotes/TheWestCountry Devon and Cornwall]]. The songs also got a cast of singers like Music/CelineDion, Music/TheCorrs and Bryan White.The film is loosely based on a book by Vera Chapman called ''The King's Damosel'' (AKA ''The King's Damsel''), inspired by [[KingArthur Arthurian]] lore. However, there are original additions in the form of the songs and cute animals, meant to reflect the genre in which the film was made.----!!This film provides examples of:* AdultFear: Juliana is blackmailed into betraying her king after her teenage daughter is threatened. Said teenage daughter then escapes and goes off on a dangerous quest to warn the king of the plot, pursued by a madman's minions who are more than capable of killing her. Juliana has no idea where her daughter is or if she's safe for most of the film. * AffablyEvil: The Griffin, at least when he isn't interacting with the good guys; could arguably even be an example of DarkIsNotEvil, since he's [[PunchClockVillain just Ruber's pet]] anyway. Below is a memorable quote by said Griffin (upon being berated by Ruber for not replying):-->'''The Griffin''': Sorry master, my mouth was full!* AllThereInTheManual: The film novelization and toy merchandise give the names of three of Ruber's mechanical army: Bowhands, Spike Slinger and Swordhands.* AnalogyBackfire: In "If I Didn't Have You", Cornwall says he'd "be rockin' with the dinos", which is later countered by Devon, who says "You'd be ''extinct'', you'd cease to be!"* AnimatedMusical: Originally planned without songs, it was turned into this by meddling executives that wanted a Disney knock-off.* AppliedPhlebotinum: Ruber's potion, which somehow transforms his henchmen into metalized versions of themselves. [[StrongFleshWeakSteel Not that it helps anyways]].* AwardBaitSong: ''Looking Through Your Eyes'' is the one that has all the trope characteristics, but ''The Prayer'' was the one which actually won an award.* AxCrazy: Ruber -- his TwitchyEye makes it clear. [[LampshadeHanging And he's so glad you noticed! He's been working at it for years!]]* BadassNormal: Ruber, the villain, is an ordinary man in a world of Arthurian legend (which has magic, dragons, and the like). However, his skills as a warrior make him borderline unstoppable even before he gets his hands on Excalibur. * BeakAttack: The BigBad uses an evil potion to transform a barnyard rooster into Bladebeak, an armored avian with an axeblade for a beak. Subverted though, despite TakingALevelInBadass, Bladebeak remains inept and incompetent ComicRelief.* BeautyEqualsGoodness: Ruber is the only knight of the round table who is not generically attractive. He promptly betrays everyone else - and kills Kayley's father - for [[AmbitionIsEvil his own ambitions]]* BecomeYourWeapon: Ruber uses a potion that causes this on his army.* BloodlessCarnage: Both Arthur and Garrett are quite seriously injured at certain points but neither bleed. * BoundAndGagged: Kayley, near the end.* ButtMonkey: Poor, ''poor'' Griffin. First he is harassed by a falcon that is ''ten times'' smaller than he is, then at the very moment we discover he is owned by Ruber he is threatened and harmed. It's all downhill from there, as no matter how loyal he is, he's incompetent as hell, and Ruber has no problems with punishing him for that. At the end, when he finally gets to have revenge on the falcon, he is burned, presumably to death, by a two-headed dragon. On top of that, many consider him TheScrappy, even though in the end he is probably one of the most sympathetic characters in the movie (aside from the leads if they aren't considered {{Mary Sue}}s). AlasPoorScrappy indeed.* TheCaligula: Ruber* TheCameo: When Ruber and his mechanical army arrive in Camelot at the film's climax, Buffy Binford from Creator/BradBird's ''[[Series/AmazingStories Family Dog]]'' can be clearly seen in the background. Clearly animators from ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'' came in and decided to have a little fun.** Brosnan and Gielgud voice-acting could be considered cameos given how little they do.** Creator/TexAvery's RedHotRidingHood can be seen in the "If I Didn't Have You" musical number.* CharacterTics: Ruber has an eye tic when he's agitated, and his irises even tend to [[OffModel disappear]].* CoolSword: Excalibur, of course.* CompositeCharacter: To the extent that ''any'' of the characters resemble the ones in ''The King's Damosel'', Garret appears to be a cross between Gareth (would-be knight, the name) and Lucius (blind loner).* ConspicuousCGI: Often, especially the "ogre" (aka the rock monster) and the round table scene.* CoolButInefficient: Once Ruber has Excalibur, he fuses it to his arm so that he can hold it forever. The end result is cool looking, but it doesn't seem to benefit him in any way in terms of sword-fighting and it later gets him killed.* {{Cyborg}}: Ruber's Mooks, although they're a {{Magitek}} version. They're people fused with their weapons and armor by the potion. Ruber refers to them as [[MechaMooks "mechanical"]]* DarkReprise: Garret's "I Stand Alone" gets a brief and impressively bitter reprise after he decides not to go with Kayley to Camelot.* DeadpanSnarker: At least half the words that come from Garret's mouth are dripping with this.** Devon and Cornwall are this, especially towards each other.* DeusExMachina: [[spoiler: In the climax, Kayley (with Garret's help) causes Ruber, who has fused his arm with Excalibur, to thrust the sword back into the stone -- as he is not the rightful king, he cannot remove it. This is clever. However, it then turns out the inherent magic of the stone, which was only hinted at visually, serves as this, too, since it kills Ruber and heals everyone except Garret.]]* DidNotThinkThisThrough: After finally obtaining Excalibur, Ruber fuses it with his arm to make sure nobody would take it from him despite knowing that Excalibur is a sword that, once stuck into a certain stone, cannot be removed from it by anyone other than the rightful King.* DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu: More of a dragon in this case. Ruber does this to one of the evil dragons while it has him cornered, despite seemingly giving in by tossing away his sword first.* DisabledLoveInterest: Garret is rather pretty, there's attraction between him and Kayley, and he's blind.%%* DieOrFly: It doesn't work, though no one dies.* DisneyAcidSequence: "If I Didn't Have You" is a particularly jarring example as it looks like the kind of short funny cartoon Warner Bros. is rightfully better-known for -- randomly placed in the middle of what's supposed to be a dramatic epic.%%* {{Disneyfication}}: What happened to the original story. Ironically, Warner was trying to compete with Disney at the time.* {{Excalibur}}** ExcaliburInTheStone: Ties into the climax mentioned above.* {{Expy}}: As pointed out by [[http://www.agonybooth.com/recaps/Quest_for_Camelot_1998.aspx?Page=2 The Agony Booth]], [[http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/17979-quest-for-camelot the Nostalgia Critic]] and Creator/LaurenFaust (who worked on the film as an animator) Kayley is, both looks and personality-wise, [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast Belle]]. Faust, [[http://www.donbluthanimation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1619 commenting]] on the similarity, goes even further and points out that Garret looks like the human form of the Beast.** Garret is often compared to [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Link]] due to his green tunic, blond locks, and the fact that he lives in an enchanted forest.** Ruber looks and acts eerily similar to Shan Yu from Mulan. Both even die in a similar fashion.* EvilRedhead: Ruber. * FallingInLoveMontage: Kayley and Garret, during their "''Looking Through Your Eyes''" duo.* FauxActionGirl: Kayley, even though she does have a few awesome moments (being able to swing a heavy mace at Ruber, saving Arthur during the climax), for the most part can't back up her claims that she will be a great knight. Somewhat justified, since she is a normal girl with no real combat training.* {{Feelies}}: The VHS release came with a necklace whose charm featured Devon and Cornwall. Annoyingly, said necklace was under not the shrinkwrap on the new movie, but under the plastic of the clamshell cover — meaning that you either had to partly ruin the cover to get the blasted thing out, or you had a heck of a time lining it up neatly on your video shelf.* ForbiddenZone: Entering the Forbidden Forest is normally a death sentence to anyone who enters. The BigBad and all his minions leave Kayley alone when she escapes into it. * TheGenieKnowsJackNicholson: Devon and Cornwall. Also Bladebeak quoting ''Film/DirtyHarry'' for some damn reason.* AGodAmI: Ruber claims this in the climax as he attacks Arthur.-->'''Ruber''': Say "hello" to your new king!\\'''Arthur''': You're no king!\\'''Ruber''': You're right. Perhaps I'm ''more of a'' '''''GOD!!!''''''* {{Gonk}}: Ruber. Particularly hilarious when compared to the other knights, they look like they're from ''completely different movies.''* HandicappedBadass: Garret.* HandWave: The only explanation for the moving plants is a blink-and-you-miss-it reference to the forest being "enchanted". Where Ruber got his potion might also qualify - he states in his VillainSong that he bought it from some witches.* HappilyEverAfter: The ending features Kayley and Garret riding off together on a horse which is adorned with a sign reading "Just Knighted." One presumes there was a wedding in there too, but it's never specifically stated.* HappilyMarried: Kayley's parents. He takes care to kiss her goodbye before riding off to Camelot, and it's clear she misses him after his death.** Though they're not married per se, Kayley and Garret are as close as ever following knighthood.* HeelFaceTurn: Bladebeak undergoes one of these after he finds his mate locked in a cage by Ruber, [[MinionWithAnFInEvil though he was hardly the embodiment of "evil" to begin with]].* HeroicSacrifice: Kayley's father dies attempting to stop Ruber's attempts to kill Arthur in the beginning of the film.* TheHermit: Garret lives in the Forbbidden Forest in self-imposed exile. He's developed a great deal of wisdom there.* HighFantasy: The film is loosely based on the Myth/KingArthur mythos and involves returning a magic sword to the rightful king so he put down an evil and ugly usurper. * HoistByHisOwnPetard: [[spoiler: magically melding Excalibur to his hand proved to be Ruber's ultimate demise because it meant he couldn't let go of it when he was tricked into returning it to the stone. He is then disintegrated to his death, being destroyed by the very same power he planned to obtain.]] * HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: King Arthur for knighting Ruber in the first place.* HugeRiderTinyMount: During "The Prayer".* IAmSong: Garret's "''I Stand Alone''".* IdentityConcealmentDisposal: When he attacks Juliana's farm, Ruber enters the house wearing a face-concealing horned helmet that he then takes off, tosses aside and never puts on again for the rest of the film.* ItsAllAboutMe: Ruber. * IWantSong: Kayley's "On My Father's Wings," in which she expresses her desire to become a knight. The other characters get their own songs, too.* IWorkAlone: Garret. He also has a song -- "I Stand Alone", mentioned above -- about this.* JustBetweenYouAndMe: Ruber details his EvilPlan to Kayley and her mother, mostly in song.* KissingCousins: Apparently, Devon and Cornwall are the result of this.-->'''Devon:''' Frankly, we're the reason cousins shouldn't marry.* KnightInSourArmor: Garret.* LargeHam: Ruber. Ironically, he's voiced by Creator/GaryOldman, who is not known for such roles.-->"[[ChewingTheScenery NOOOWW, AFTER THE GIIIIIRL!]]"* LaughablyEvil: Ruber.* LeftStuckAfterAttack: This is how the BigBad [[spoiler:meets his end. The wicked Ruber has used a magic potion to fuse the Excalibur sword onto his hand. With this, he tries to impale Kayley and Garrett, but misses. The blow implants Excalibur firmly in its original stone where the ancient magic detects that Ruber is not the rightful ruler, and disintegrates him for such presumption.]]* LighterAndSofter: The original novel the film is based has a much darker tone and more mature content (in the book, the main character was ''raped as a kid by a family friend'', for crying out loud). The film adaptation was significantly toned down to make it more family friendly.* MeaningfulEcho: "I will not serve a false king!" Said first by Lionel to Ruber and then, later, by [[spoiler:Kayley]].* AMinorKidroduction: The movie starts with Kayley as a child, later followed by a cameo of a young Garrett during the first song.%%* MultipleHeadCase: Devon and Cornwall.* NatureHero: Garret.* NonHumanSidekick: Devon and Cornwall fall under this, as do Bladebeak and Ayden.* NoPlaceForMeThere: How Garret feels about Camelot after he was blinded. [[spoiler:He briefly parts ways with Kayley when they're about to return Excalibur to King Arthur, as he feels that despite all his bad-assery, in Camelot he would simply not measure up when compared to the Knights of the Round Table. As he tells Ayden, he feels Kayley would only see him "through their eyes. Not a Knight. Not a Man. Not anything..."]]* NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent: Don Rickles as Cornwall makes absolutely no attempt to hide his American accent, unlike the other few American actors who worked on this film.* ObviouslyEvil: At the beginning of the film we get a panning shot of the Round Table. Seated at it are several identical-looking generic knights... and one [[{{Gonk}} creepily deformed one with a banana-shaped head, greenish skin and yellow eyes]].* OurDragonsAreDifferent: They're conjoined twins. And they're purple. And they can't fly (for which they even say they're shunned by their own kind).* OurGryphonsAreDifferent: Looks like a traditional griffin, but the one in the story is kind of weird. The bird front half is much larger then the lion hindquarters, and rather than eagle-like the head must belong to a bat-eared-cat-eyed-vulture-beaked thing.* PolarOppositeTwins: Devon and Cornwall. This is unfortunate for them, as they cannot fly so long as they disagree on everything.* ThePowerOfFriendship: Devon and Cornwall lament their inability to fly through most of the movie, then find themselves able to do it once Kayley is kidnapped. Garret realizes that they can't fly unless they ''agree'' on things, and pushes them to do so by prompting, "You both love Kayley, right?"* ProphetEyes: While not a prophet, Garret has these eyes because he can still "see" in the Forbidden Forest through his other senses and experience. * PurpleEyes: Lady Juliana, Kayley's mom, has them.* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Garret delivers one of these to Kayley when they first meet. [[EstablishingCharacterMoment It doubles as his character song]].* RockMonster: The ogre.* {{Scotireland}}: Camelot basically turns into this for some reason, largely thanks to the sorta-Celtic-ish soundtrack. ''Riverdance'' was popular at the time so...** Also the involvement of Music/TheCorrs. Their style is specially prominent in "On My Father's Wings," which almost sounds like ripped off from their album ''Talk On Corners''.* ShoutOut:** There are lots of WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes gags to be found here.*** Most obviously, ACME being [[MoodWhiplash written on Ruber's potion.]]*** Also during Devon & Cornwall's musical number, at one time they're falling down a canyon ripped straight from a Wile E. Coyote cartoon.** The aforementioned number also includes plenty of others:*** At one point, Devon[[note]]voiced by Eric Idle[[/note]] references the [[Series/MontyPythonsFlyingCircus Parrot Sketch]] when he declares, "You'd be nothing without me -- you'd be extinct! '''You'd cease to be!'''"*** During the lines when Cornwall sings about being "the Dragon King", he holds Devon up on a kopje in open parody of Simba's presentation in ''Disney/TheLionKing''.*** During the scene where Cornwall has a chainsaw, he is wearing a hockey mask. (Although [[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]] [[Franchise/TheTexasChainsawMassacre isn't the slasher who wields a chainsaw]])** Devon also turns into Godzilla during the song, with the line "I'd be a fire breathing lizard!"** Garret is a teenager/young adult dressed in green with a wooden weapon looking in an enchanted forest for a mythical sword. [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Think about that for a second.]]** During the FinalBattle, JohnWilliams ' ''Film/{{Superman}}'' Main Theme makes an appearance - although, oddly, the subtitles for this scene refer to it as "''StarWars'' Theme".** Garrett and Kayley's embrace during the ''Through Your Eyes'' segment resembles the poster from ''The Princess Bride'', which also starred Cary Elwes. ** Bladebeak quotes ''Film/DirtyHarry'' at one point. "You get to ask yourself: do I feel [[IncrediblyLamePun clucky]]? Well, do ya, punk?"* SidekickSong: "If I Didn't Have You"* SlipknotPonytail: During her escape, Kayley runs into a forest where one of the branches snags her hair tie and undoes her ponytail. After she's freed from Garret's net a short time later, she's seen finding another hair tie and fixing it back up. * SmallAnnoyingCreature: Bladebeak.* SoundtrackDissonance: "The Prayer" and... well, lots of other songs.* StealthPun: Music/AndreaBocelli drops by for an Italian version of The Prayer over the credits. This is appropriate when you remember that he became blind in a very similar manner to Garret, after being hit in the head as a child. Was he perhaps the inspiration for Garret's backstory?* SurroundedByIdiots: Ruber's minions being the idiots in question. [[SkewedPriorities They take Bladebeak's mate along, but allow Kayley to escape]].* ThoseTwoGuys: Cornwall and Devon, who happen to share one body!* UptownGirl: Kayley is the daughter of a slain Knight of the Round Table and Garrett was a former stable boy.* VillainSong: "Ruber's Song", though with no melody, tune or rhythm it truly stretched to the vaguest of limits what qualifies as a "song". There actually is a bit of rhyming in it, so it's less of a "song" and more of a "long-winded mediocre poem". (Then again, it's Ruber. He's a bit too erratic for a proper song. Oh, and that chugging, insistent music in the back of it all? [[ThePowerOfRock That's ELECTRO-ROCK MUSIC!]] That's pretty badass.)* VillainousValour: Ruber is a psychotic murderer, no doubt of it, but you must admit is also exceptionally strong and brave. Just a couple of examples:** He kills a scary-looking dragon ''with his bare hands'' and then cooks it for lunch.** There is also a scene toward the beginning where Kayley tries to hit him from behind with a good-sized mace. He turns around, catches it, and then twists the head. Never mind that the spikes should have skewered his hands.* VirtueViceCodification: Various virtues are lauded in a song sung during the introduction to Camelot such as "trust" and "strength" and "valor". * WhatMeasureIsANonCute: Devon and Cornwall are drawn to look rather silly and harmless. Bladebeak is also silly-looking. Ayden has a round, sweet face, big soft eyes and cute fluttery movements. In contrast, the "evil" dragons are sharp-toothed, have squinty eyes, and look altogether more feral, and the griffin henchman has another set of scary evil eyes, a long crooked beak, bat ears, and a small head compared to his thick-maned neck — and the voice of Bronson Pinchot (we're not sure what to make of that last thing).* WhatWouldXDo: Juliana and Kayley get into an argument about Kayley's dream to become a knight. After her daughter runs off in anger, Juliana wonders what Lionel would have done about the issue.* WithMyHandsTied: Kayley is captured and tied up, but is able to sweep her legs under a {{mook}}'s feet while still tied, giving her time to free herself with Bladebeak's help.* YouCantGoHomeAgain:** Why Devon and Cornwall stick around with the group. Apparently, dragons are forbidden to interact with humans.** Evoked with Garrett as well when he initially declines to return to Camelot with Kayley after they get Excalibur: on one level there's probably still some bad memories of his time there and the events that led to him seemingly losing any chance of becoming a knight, and then of course his feelings that he would appear inferior and undesirable to Kayley when juxtaposed with the current Knights of the Round Table.* YouKilledMyFather: Kayley's father was killed by Ruber in the opening.----


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Red Hat Bugzilla – Bug 427819
Evolution is freezing
Last modified: 2008-02-18 13:54:26 EST
Description of problem:
When Evolution is left opened for some time, it freezes and killevo has to be used.
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
How reproducible:
pretty often (when evo is left around lying long enough -- like an hour or so --
it is almost 100% on this computer)
Steps to Reproduce:
1.start Evolution
2.do something
3.let it be opened on different desktop
4.return to it after some time
Actual results:
evolution is just a grey rectangle and no matter what I do it it won't revive
Expected results:
ready and purring waiting for my orders
Additional info:
Created attachment 290990 [details]
It appears to be stuck in the main thread waiting on gnome-keyring:
Thread 1 (Thread 0x2aaaaaaf15a0 (LWP 29617)):
#0 0x000000378960d7bb in read () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0
#1 0x000000379c204deb in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgnome-keyring.so.0
#2 0x000000379c206168 in ?? () from /usr/lib64/libgnome-keyring.so.0
#3 0x000000379c2065d2 in gnome_keyring_find_items_sync ()
---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit---
from /usr/lib64/libgnome-keyring.so.0
#4 0x000000379421c600 in ep_get_password (msg=<value optimized out>)
at e-passwords.c:702
#5 0x000000379421c212 in ep_idle_dispatch (data=<value optimized out>)
at e-passwords.c:237
A backtrace with gnome-keyring-debuginfo installed might be helpful.
Created attachment 290991 [details]
new backtrace with gnome-keyring-debuginfo installed
Is this better?
Yes, thanks.
This thread may help. It suggests destroying your default keyring and rebooting.
Seems like overkill, but other users have reported it works.
I would really like to know what caused gnome-keyring to break so badly.
Setting status to NEEDINFO until you have a chance to try it.
I don't remember when this happened to me last time (probably couple of weeks
already), but I will try to use this (pretty bad) fix when it happens next time.
Do we have upstream bug for this (so you can close this as UPSTREAM)?
BTW, IMHO, gnome-keyring would need to get some really good dose of code review
love. It is worrisome how something which is supposed to be a central piece of
security in Gnome is breaking all the time.
Seahorse to the rescue, right? :)
I'll hunt for an appropriate upstream gnome-keyring bug for this.
I got lost in these two again -- isn't seahorse just for PGP? And besides, it
crashes even more often than gnome-keyring... :-(
You might be right. I was thinking seahorse was poised to eventually supersede
gnome-keyring, but I haven't been paying close attention.
This looks close: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502603
A race condition was causing the deadlock and is supposedly fixed upstream now,
though I'm not sure if it's found its way into Rawhide yet.


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Biesbosch, a rhythm of the tides
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This national park is an adventurous labyrinth of rivers, islands with willow forests and twisting creeks of crystal-clear water. You can walk there and cycle along the edges of the area, but the best way to experience the wet, rough nature of this swamp is by water, in a small boat or canoe. Silently paddling through the narrowest of creeks, ducking under low-hanging branches, experience nature from the water's surface.
Birds and beavers
Kingfishers flit past, a harrier hunts the reeds, a cormorant dries its wings on a fallen log and with any luck an osprey or beaver might make an appearance too. In De Biesbosch, you are one with nature, attuned to the rhythm of the tides.
Experience De Biesbosch from the waters
Do you want to experience De Biesbosch from the water's surface? Rent a rowing boat or electric boat or canoe from Biesboschcentrum Dordrecht or one of the other rental businesses. Or go on one of the many guided excursions that the visitors' centers regularly organize.
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Would you like to gain an impression of the gorgeous nature of National Park De Biesbosch in an hour? Then hop aboard the electric boat De Halve Maen or Sterling for a Hollandse Biesbosch Tour. These short boat trips are organised all year round at Biesboschcentrum Dordrecht.
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- 3 Proto-Polynesian
- 4 Reference to writers of Tongan being lazy
- 5 Table of linguistic correspondences
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<1% Tongans speak English?[edit]
In the List of languages by number of native speakers article, Tonga is said to have <1% English speaking community despite its official status. I know this to be untrue, albeit, I have no evidence for this, i.e. web-links and such. Is there any site with which I could cite? -- Greaser 08:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think the statement might be true, or at least close to it. That website looks at primary languages only. Perhaps 99% of the Tongans do know (some) English, but only very few have it as their primary language. I do not know of any quotable source, though. --Tauʻolunga 10:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- Funny, because if Tongan language has very few daily written material, and the majority of the population is educated...it seems discrimination on their part. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 02:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have never been to Tonga, but friends that grew up there said they have to speak English in school, not just in English class, but in all classes. But it is not often that they speak English with each other outside of school, and maybe that is what they meant in the article? --Billy Nair (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
- Funny, because if Tongan language has very few daily written material, and the majority of the population is educated...it seems discrimination on their part. Elle vécut heureuse à jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 02:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
This article ought to have IPA in it. Mo-Al 01:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I added it. Mo-Al 17:09, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a Proto-Polynesian column on the table in the "Related languages" section? Unfortunately, I don't know anything about Polynesian languages, or I'd research it myself. Mo-Al 02:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Reference to writers of Tongan being lazy[edit]
The use of the word "lazy" when refering to writers of the Tongan language is pejorative and unnecessary. I'm going to remove it.
- I whole heartedly second that motion! -- Greaser 22:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- You may change the words, but it will not change the fact.
- Alright. If it's factual, then produce credible resources to support the statement and maybe it can be worked back in.
- You may change the words, but it will not change the fact.
Table of linguistic correspondences[edit]
The word for pig (puaka etc) was used to illustrate the reflexes of proto-Polynesian *k. I changed this to the word for canoe (vaka etc) since the Māori word for pig (poaka) is generally considered to be a loanword from English from "porker", and because the word for canoe is attested in all the mentioned languages. Also replaced the non-Polynesian language Fijian with examples from Proto-Polynesian. Kahuroa 18:44, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Third article[edit]
There needs to be a discussion of the "third" article, si'i, which can be used instead of ha and (h)e to indicate an emotional relationship with the following noun. It would probably be translated "dear" or "poor," depending on the context. 126.96.36.199 04:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Objective and subjective possession[edit]
Tongan makes a distinction between objective and subjective possession, with the result in a number of possessive forms for the pronouns. (Different prepositions are also used to show objective and subjective possession by lexical nouns.) In brief, the relationship between and objective possession and the thing possessed is like that between the object of a verb and the verb itself, while the subjective possession is comparable to that between the the subject of a verb and the verb itself. 22.214.171.124 04:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Tongan uses three numbers--singular, dual, and plural (three or more). Dual and plural markers are placed in front of (rather than suffixed to) their respective nouns. I believe 'ongo is used for duals, while there are several different markers used for plurals of three or more: ngaahi, kau, fanga, and u are probably the most common ones, but others are used. The first one is used for people and things, the second for people, the third for animals, and the last for certain objects in the sky (cf. u mahina "moons" and ngaahi mahina "months"). However, someone with more knowledge of the language will have to deal with this. 126.96.36.199 04:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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The article says "In addition there are special, traditional counting systems for fish, coconuts, yams, etc." Is this true, what does it mean, and does anyone know of some source for this?188.8.131.52 (talk) 05:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
I added the citation for it. What it means is yams etc have an archaic counting system attached to them that counts in pairs and scores of pairs. I do not know whether the system is still used by farmers today, but if it's used that's who would use it. Ketura01 (talk) 22:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Tongan uses four persons, rather than three: first inclusive, first exclusive (depending on whether the person addressed is included), second, and third. The first inclusive vs. exclusive distinction is more easily observed in the plural, where a Tongan would use a different pronoun for the expressions "Let's go!" and "Let us go! (But you stay.)" The first inclusive pronoun also exists in the singular, but is not used very much (there is a proverb about selflessness that uses it, but I don't know it well enough to put it here). 184.108.40.206 04:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Possessive pronouns are attached to the articles, including ha and si'i. This means there is a specific pronoun that means "my dear . . ." (si'eku, I believe) as opposed to "my . . ." (ho'o, I believe) or "a . . . that I might have" (ha'o, I believe). (My uncertainty about the specific forms makes it impossible for me to put this discussion into the main article.) 18.104.22.168 04:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Edited by same user to clarify what type of pronouns is under discussion.
- The original article (in 2005 or so) only covered alphabet, accents and registers. No one has ever taken the time to extend to include articles, number, pronouns and so forth and so forth. I can do it, when I have some time, it is just copying the contents from Churchward's Tongan grammer. Or someone else can do it. --Tauʻolunga 06:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Circumflex vs macron[edit]
I keep coming across Tongan words spelled with circumflex accents over vowels. Notably in translation tables in the English Wiktionary.
I just want to check with experts here whether the circumflex was formerly an official way to denote a long vowel, or whether the macron has always held this role with the circumflex just being used as an ad-hoc replacement due to macrons not being available on English typewriters and computer keyboards. — Hippietrail (talk) 09:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Done by incompetents who do not know the difference between ¯ and ˜, or use an incomplete font, or have a bad keyboard, or use a misprogrammed editor, or misstype on the Tongan keyboard where the 2 characters are side by side (option n, option m), or whatever. The ˜ has never been used. At best (or rather worst) in the past sometimes people took the ¨ for the macron, because on the low resolution impact printers at that time, the two dots of a bolded dieresis merged into one dash. --Tauʻolunga (talk) 06:15, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply but ~ is a tilde and a circumflex is ^. I haven't seen ~ used in the English Wiktionary on Tongan words but I have seen a lot of uses of ^. — Hippietrail (talk) 01:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Dieresis vs. macron[edit]
Do Tongan publications in Tonga still use the dieresis ( ¨ ) (or umlaut, if you prefer) instead of the macron ( ¯ ) to indicate long vowels (toloi)? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:19, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Not since impactprinters disappeared… 20 years ago. --Tauʻolunga (talk) 05:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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I think what's dangerous about being an actor who does action movies is you think, 'Well, I can totally handle myself now.' But if my opponent didn't know the other half of the routine, I don't know how well I'd do.
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I have more pet peeves than anybody: people talking in the movie theater, people eating in the movie theater loudly, people being rude, people making noise when you're supposed to be asleep, like drilling noises outside. I could be here all day.
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When I was pregnant, I had the romantic idea that after the baby was born I would not only take up reading in earnest again, but also write a novel while my daughter slept in her Moses basket. Of course, I barely had time to keep up with my magazines until she started sleeping properly.
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I feel like I've done a bunch of period stuff and then a bunch of romantic comedies.
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