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Thursday, February 3, 2011
Pardus 2011 Review
Before I go on with my review, here's a summary of the most important new features/enhancements for this release (an extract from the Official Pardus 2011 Release ANNOUNCEMENT)
Kernel - The latest Linux kernel 2.6.37 provides an up-to-date hardware
support together with a thousand of bug fixes.
Plymouth - The bootsplash technology used in Pardus 2009.2 is completely
dropped and replaced by the new Plymouth engine.
YALI - YALI, the installer of Pardus, gained LVM/RAID and UUID support.
KDE SC - Pardus 2011 comes with the latest KDE Software Compilation, KDE SC
4.5.5. The base packages also contains numerous backports and fixes which will
improve the stability of your desktop experience significantly.
Kaptan - Kaptan, the desktop customization tool of Pardus, now optionally
captures your picture and sets it as your avatar in KDE.
NetworkManager - GNOME NetworkManager 0.8.2 is now the default networking
backend in Pardus 2011. Users are now able to set up their HSPA/CDMA/VPN
networks together with the already supported Ethernet and 802.11 WLAN
GTK Oxygen style - All GTK applications are now rendered with Oxygen style
thanks to the oxygen-gtk project. This brings a huge improvement to the user
interface consistency.
LibreOffice - LibreOffice, an Open Source personal productivity suite
sponsored by the Document Foundation, is now the default Office Suite in
Pardus 2011.
Firefox - Pardus 2011 comes with Mozilla Firefox 4.0 Beta9 as the default web
browser application. New features of this Firefox release include Firefox
Panorama, application tabs, a redesigned extension manager, Jetpack extensions
support, integration with Firefox Sync, and support for multitouch displays.
An impressive list of features it is, no doubt, but how do they do in practical terms? As far as I am concerned, I like that Pardus developers chose to stick with KDE 4.5 series, specially with its latest patch, as opposed to choosing KDE 4.6 RC. The latter would have probably got more attention from people wanting to get the latest from the K Desktop, but it would have certainly brought lots of instability with it as well. Including the GNOME network manager is a master move, much needed because the network manager in previous releases of Pardus simply didn't cut it. Its integration within the KDE environment is as smooth as it gets, which is also appreciated. Talking about integration, including the fabulous work from the Oxygen-GTK project is also a great thing: Finally a KDE distro that looks consistent regardless of whether the application is native KDE or not. Last but not least, I like to see Pardus embracing LibreOffice, a wise move that others distros (including Ubuntu) are following as well.
When I first used Pardus back several months ago, the installation process was one of the things that impressed me the most. I thought it was beautifully put together, good looking, consistent in branding and very easy and intuitive. This time around I was expecting that same quality, but perhaps with a few exciting new features. Unfortunately, I was a bit disappointed because there was not much to be excited about. Don't get me wrong, YALI is still one of the best installers I have seen in Linux, specially for a KDE distro, but I guess I was expecting better. (By the way, totally subjective, but I think Pardus 2009 Look&Feel and branding was more attractive.)
An interesting (mis)behavior I found when installing Pardus is that it won't install on a USB drive. I tried several times with different devices and under different versions (Beta, RC and Final Release), but it always failed. I am not sure what exactly was not working, because error messages were inconsistent or not even happening. Some may not find this a problem, but with all the testing I do for reviews, having to install a distro on an internal hard drive is a pain. In fact, if it wasn't because I loved Pardus 2009 so much, I probably wouldn't have installed it at all. On a similar note, I don't like how Pardus offers installation media separately from the LiveCD, I find it quite inconvenient.
Pardus 2011 is a good customization of the KDE desktop, including own branding, wallpapers, splash screens, KDM themes, even its own set of icons. The latter is a bit incomplete, unfortunately, so users will see applications inside menus that use default Oxygen icons instead of Pardus ones. Considering Pardus developers customized the application catalog, I find this a bit disappointing. Don't get me wrong, I like the Pardus icon set, it adds a bold, original twist to how KDE looks, but I believe consistency is very important.
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PISI is the package installer, this time around including new features and a lot more packages available for download than the previous version. Activating extra repositories is not required this time around, so users will get most of their favorite apps available for download out of the box.
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I have to admit I was expecting better from PISI, at least on the GUI department. We are seeing amazing stuff coming from Ubuntu and Linux Mint, installers that include screenshots, long and informative package descriptions, ratings and some other great ideas inspired on other famous application stores out there. PISI still follows more of an old scholl approach in that sense, offering an interface that looks cluttered at a glance. On the bright side, they introduced ratings on this release, but considering the size of Pardus user community and the fact that ratings are merely informational (it's not a field you can order by, for example), I doubt they will add much value.
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The left column includes package categories, but there are perhaps
too many to make sense out of it. I think this menu would benefit from some restructuring, limiting the top categories to just a handful, then adding subcategories behind them. For example, new Pardus users will probably have a hard time understanding what is inside categories like "Other", "Other Desktops" or "Electronics", to name just a few. I think top categories like "Productivity" or "Entertainment & Games" would probably prove more meaningful and make browsing simpler. Along the same lines, it would help if icons were application related, instead of showing the same package image time and again.
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I love the look of that installation progress on top, informative and modern looking. Unfortunately, it feels a bit out of place compared to the rest of the interface.
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All in all, PISI works well and does what it is supposed to do. Coupled with the fact that Pardus repositories now include most popular apps out there, Pardus users will certainly welcome its new features. Personally, I have to admit I was expecting better, perhaps a more radical set of improvements over the previous version of PISI.
One of the most exciting (and much needed) new features in Pardus is the work that has been done around Network management and its corresponding applet. Pardus 2009 suffered from weak Network management, and given how important it is today to go online, that was a major miss. This time around, developers came up with a very ingenious solution: Use the best from GNOME Network Manager, including its support for HSPA/CDMA/VPN devices and networks, then seamlessly integrate it inside the KDE desktop. Fedora KDE implementations have used GNOME Network manager for years, but integration with KDE was horrible. Fortunately for them, Pardus users will not see anything alien on their desktop.
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LibreOffice makes its debut on Pardus 2011 as the productivity suite of choice, substituting OpenOffice. I believe this is the right move, not only because it guarantees less dependency on whatever ORACLE does with OpenOffice, but also because Pardus users will be able to benefit from the exciting features that will soon come to LibreOffice. For example, many different UI mockups have seen the light lately, giving us an idea of how LibreOffice will look like not long from now. Aside from potentially improving usability, these mockups hint at finally implementing features that have long been missing in OpenOffice, such as native integration with window, control and icon themes. Along with GTK Oxygen project efforts, we should probably enjoy LibreOffice looking like a native application inside KDE and consequently Pardus.
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Other interesting application changes include ShowFoto instead of the more typically available Gwenview. In this case, I am not sure I understand the driver behind this decision, as ShowFoto does not seem to include many relevant improvements over Gwenview.
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GIMP returns as the image manipulation application of choice, also showing a custom splash screen. I have to admit I love those custom splash screens, they convey a feeling of something consistent and carefully put together with attention to detail. Unfortunately, they only show up for a few applications.
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All in all, Pardus comes loaded with a number of attractive applications, quite extensive hardware support and an attractive Look&Feel, all of which translates into a high quality KDE distro release. If you ask me, this is the best release they have ever put together.
Nothing is perfect, though, and betting all your chips on a single hand, KDE in this case, has its low points. KDE is certainly improving lately, but as I mentioned on my recent KDE SC 4.6 REVIEW, it still has some basic areas that are not getting the attention they deserve. As an example, I checked if bluetooth was working fine (I have only seen it happen in Kubuntu 10.10 so far) and I got the good old failure when I was trying to browse my mobile.
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As you can see from the screenshot above, I wasn't able to browse my mobile contents using Bluetooth, something that has worked reliably in GNOME for ages.
Pardus 2011 is an interesting release with many great things about it. Given the terrific work that was put in place for Pardus 2009, I must admit I was expecting even better. I guess I was expecting tighter branding integration, more modern features in PISI and YALI and a more solid and consistent customization of the KDE desktop.
That's just my opinion, of course, so don't be afraid to give Pardus 2011 a go, I am sure you will like what you see.
25 comments:
Thanks for the great review Chema!ReplyDelete
It is really a good KDE distro, I feel very comfortable using KDE with this distro in comparison to other KDE distros.
How do you would compare this release with Kubuntu or PCLinuxOS?
The only thing I dislike are some bad translations, I noticed this with Spanish.
@David: Thanks, glad you liked the review!ReplyDelete
Pardus is in some ways more solid than Kubuntu, at least when Kubuntu was released (after a few months worth of patches it has improved somehow). In addition, it does better at getting the most out of KDE, being as it is a KDE only distro. On the other hand, I believe Kubuntu is a bit faster in terms of performance and because it belongs to the Ubuntu project, its users can benefit from a huge community that can provide lots of support.
All in all, I would say they are both great KDE distros, but in my opinion, Kubuntu evolved faster in the past six months, and I believe that trend will continue.
As for PCLinuxOS, I feel that it was an awesome release last year, but I am eager to see if they can still be a top KDE distro come release date. The problem with PCLinuxOS is that it picks stuff from here and there, but lacks more development of its own. I personally think they need to improve the installation process, make it more user friendly. Similarly, they need to get rid of their Mandriva dependency and introduce a more friendly package manager. Being more selective about their application catalog would also help, in my opinion.
@David: Actually, forgot to mention that translation is an area where you could definitely give the Pardus project a hand, and it doesn't require super programming skills or anything. If you believe you could help improve those Spanish translations, I encourage you to join the project and help them improve Pardus further.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 4, 2011 at 5:59 AM
I agree with this review. For thoose who want to try Pardus I can recommend this forum:ReplyDelete
There can english speaking user get help and so on.
- AnonymousFebruary 4, 2011 at 6:18 AM
I have used Pardus since 2005. It is enough for my daily office work. I am physician. I want to run a dicom viewer as Osirix for MacOsX. I can use Agfa viewer with vine emulation.ReplyDelete
Thank yo Tubitak.
@Chema: Thank you for the good comparison, I think I can agree with you. With respect to the translations, I still prefer Gnome and thats the reason why I wont use Pardus on a daily basis, but I will test and play with it.ReplyDelete
Pardus is terrific , but the only problem they seem to have I guess is establishing their presence in the linux world. They can give all top distros a tough competition..ReplyDelete
Only problem I feel is that the distro is still in a way localized to European countries with most of the documentation in Turkish/German or Dutch..
If they want a wider reach they should look at extensive documentation in English
- AnonymousFebruary 5, 2011 at 5:03 AM
Here is the English Wiki:ReplyDelete
And English forum are:
Pardus Worldforum.
So what is the problem?
- AnonymousFebruary 7, 2011 at 8:52 PM
Pardus Corporate (business version) will be released at 16 february, so the developers are probably busy with that now.ReplyDelete
When they released Pardus 2009 the updates taking long time to. Around 2 months but then many updates and appplications came at one time. A sort of "servicepack 1″
So maybe its same with this 2011 version to:
- TravelinrobFebruary 7, 2011 at 9:34 PM
@Chema: I started using MultiSystem to install .iso files to USB. You can use it to simply put one or many. I have found it to work with distributions that failed with Unetbootin.ReplyDelete
Wait for the page to load and then select your language from the Google Translate dropdown menu in the upper right corner. It installs flawlessly from a Mint 10 Main live session.
@Travenlinrob: Thanks, but I wasn´t talking about creating a LiveUSB. What I want it is to install Pardus on a USB instead of my main hard drive. In other words, I remove my hard drive and then install on a USB which is essentially SDA1. By doing that, I don´t have to deal with Live images and also avoid GRUB picking up any other OS I may have on my main hard drive.ReplyDelete
For the record, this worked for me on almost any Linux distro I have ever tried. Pardus is a bit weird in that sense.
- TravelinrobFebruary 8, 2011 at 6:36 AM
@Chema: I get it. I misunderstood.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 9, 2011 at 5:25 AM
If you prefer using KDE, Pardus has been one of the two most stable and user friendly Linux distros for me so far (the other is PCLinuxOS).ReplyDelete
I have been using Pardus and Ubuntu for years, and these two have turned out to be my favorite distro after having tried others. If you have more time to spend on maintenance, then you may also try Debian, Slackware or Mepis.
I have been using the Pardus 2011 since its release and have had no problem so far. Pretty stable, very practical. Thanks for those who work on this wonderful distro.
- AnonymousFebruary 10, 2011 at 8:34 PM
Pardus 2011 have released (10 february) the first update packages. So now they will coming more regulary and the software repo will be bigger.ReplyDelete
And that the sign I need to moving over from Pardus 2009.2 to the new 2011.
- AnonymousFebruary 15, 2011 at 7:38 PM
Best KDE Distro on the planet! (Hands down)ReplyDelete
Goodbye Linux Mint, hello Pardus 2011!
It's funny how much Mint 10 KDE tried to copy Pardus, but they have a ways to go... lol
Pardus 2011 shows us that no one has the monopoly over KDE the developers have done a great job..bravoReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 23, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Tonight (23 february) they release the second larger package updates:ReplyDelete
So I suppose the issue with a small repo are solved.
Now it got most of the software/programs as any other Linux distribution.
- AnonymousFebruary 24, 2011 at 12:06 AM
I've used almost every Linux (KDE) Distro that's out there, icluding the latest (and worst) Linux Mint 10 KDE. Never have I used a KDE distro that was so thoroughly put together. I'm telling you and it's no exaggeration when I say Pardus 2011 is the best KDE distro available to the public to date. I challenge any Linux user to try Pardus and see if you don't feel the same way after using it for a few days. But I'm willing to bet you'll fall in love with it during the install process. I've tried Mint, OpenSuse, Fedora, Mandriva, Sabayon, Chakra, PCLinuxOS, Zorin, (Not KDE, but similar) Kubuntu and I must say, none of them has impressed me to the level that Pardus did. If you want to have a fully loaded OS that will let you have a full blown media center, with video and audio editing, I'd recommend this Pimp of an OS. If you are using Windows 7 or Vista and you want to try out a Linux Operating system that will work and do everything you can do on Windows right out of the box. (and much more) I suggest using Pardus 2011. This OS walks you through the instal process and there is no way you could screw it up unless you are a drooling vegetable. If you've been using Mint and you think Mint is the best Linux OS for new users, I have news for you guys.... Pardus does Wayyyy more out of the box than Mint will ever do. Why this OS is not well known to the rest of the Linux community is beyond me and frankly, it's a damn shame. I can't stress enough how great Pardus 2011 is, I will never use any other Distro and I think if some of you give it a try, you'll agree...ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMarch 17, 2011 at 9:54 AM
Pardus 2011 is absolutely amazing. But it has one fatal flaw I think that keeps people (like me) from switching to it. The software repositories SUCK. Plain and simple.ReplyDelete
I mean come on, Linux Mint is stable,or ubuntu, or Kubuntu, and I can still run Windows stuff with it (via WINE),or use the amazing Picasa.
Nope, can't get those in Pardus. Its a shame too, because everything else is perfect.
If they can fix this issue, I think over time, they could topple the Ubuntu and Mint giants in terms of popularity. There would be no reason not to use it then. So please fix it for the love of god. Amen.
@Anonymous: If you want to test the latest and greatest from KDE I just discovered that PCLinuxOS even has the latest stable KDE 4.6.1 and you can install the newest Kernel also, the stable one.ReplyDelete
The repository is bigger as in Pardus and I have to admit my PCLinuxOS install is really fast, incredibly fast.
Thanks to Chema again for praising PCLOS once in an older article, it is really a good distro.
Another review for those who might be interested in:ReplyDelete
- AnonymousMarch 25, 2011 at 2:38 PM
@David Are you kidding David? PCLinuxOS is garbage and doesn't even come close to the likes of Pardus... you wont find a better KDE distro than Pardus.ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJuly 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM
pardus is solid.ReplyDelete
polished much better then the (considered) polished opensuse.
the most stylish of any any other distro. also it seems to be the only distro with professional icons, they are brilliant and chiс.
the only shortcoming though is its rather sparse repos.
the distro definitely should attempt to get more attention and a larger user base which would definitely result in richer repos. and simply because it's so much brilliant in general that just deserves that more users give it a try.
has anyone come up with a way to install from a usb?ReplyDelete
- Maserka solmonSeptember 18, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Great system Pardus 2011.2ReplyDelete


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|TB, I that video is the same one that Safari uses on their website. And it is one I point people to when they ask me why I went multihulll.
Oh that's right SD, with a tri-hull, you have built-in flopper stoppers. Aside from the speed advantage, that's one of a multi-hull's best attributes.
Did you see the video in the Gunboat site yet? They claim a Gunboat 60 has a top speed of 30 kts, shown passing an 80 ft Pugh, which was "only" doing 18 kts.
Gunboat - click on Video
Ummm.. I don't see a point to them... But I don't tend to rock all that much at anchor... there are advantages to having a really wide beam...
I'd prefer to launch an RPG at the sportfisherman...and clear up the problem for all the other nearby boaters...
|Too bad there wasn't a means to deploy some kind of device while underway . . . to minimize rolling whenever one of those close-passing, semi-displacement sportfishers throws a huge wake.
The Pardeys use them at anchor and instructions on how to make them are found on their DVDs. They use a box-type with a flapper valve, presumably so that they can be folded flat for stowing, but the rigging method seems identical to SmartCaptain's. Needless to say, they were homemade...the Pardeys don't like to buy what they can make!
Frankly, they seemed like a pretty good idea. Some anchorages that are otherwise safe and secure can get very sloppy. Also, I suppose deploying this device could fall under "chafe gear" because a boat that isn't rolling over 40 degree arcs is less likely to chafe. I would use this plus a riding sail.
|Shrimp boats drop them off the outriggers, that works, but you've got a really long outriggers (30ft+) hanging out there.
I guess everyone here is pretty much correct. I will just add a bit:
A Paravane Stabilizer (also know as a flopper stopper) is in fact a device that slows the rocking from side to side on a boat. However, I find it is generally a term associated with full/semi-displaceement trawlers.
It was originally designed by the offshore shrimpers/trawling fish boats. It consists of two "poles" stretching off to either side of the boat. Long lines are lead from the poles down to what are commonly called fish (look like odd-shaped anchors). By presenting weighted "fish" that have the effect of pulling downwhen moving, the boat maintains an easy motion at sea.
Flopper stoppers are probably most effective while moving, but many people will tell you they work at anchor too. They are commonly employed on offshore trawlers and fishing boats, even today, with Nordhavn being one of the most recogninzed to use them. Here is a good example. THe fish are hanging on his transom:
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Many manufaturers of offshore trawlers have moved away from flopper stoppers (paravane stabilizers) in lieu of an active stabilization (versus passive stabilization). Part of the reason for this movement is the potential for a serious/deadly effect of losing one of the fish when they are both deployed, often causing the boat to round up and broach or heel so far to one side, it partially capsizes: The use of roll damping paravane systems (paravane stabilizers) - #15/2000 - Ship Safety Bulletin - Marine Safety
Active stabilizers, like the Naiad stabilizers (- Naiad® Marine Systems) are like little fins that move up and down under the boat, keeping the boat flat in a rolling sea. However, these stabilizers only work while that boat is moving. They work well, but are prone to failure (as was reported on the Nordhavn rally from Fl to Gibraltar) and are quite expensive (around 25-35k, as I recall). Still, with the dangers and effort requires for a paravane, they may still be the best overall answer. In fact, Nordhavn has pushed away from reccomending paravane in lieu of Naiad's.
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Here is an example, but details are pretty hard to make out.
Do these things actually make landlubbers more comfortable?
Hi Gil,
I've used a home-made version of the "flopper stopper" on my 38' full-keel sailboat while anchored in Key West. You'll need three or four five-gallon pails (available at the nearest "Dumpster Marine" outlet store), a 20' piece of 1/2" line, two old rubber door mats, some dive weights and a 2" hole saw.
Cut five 2" holes in the bottom of each pail, then cut a circular piece of doormat to fit in the bottom of each pail. Drill a hole through the middle of each pail so you can string them with about 8" of space between each one on the 1/2" line. Attach some sort of weight (e.g. 15 lbs of dive weights, rocks, etc) on the bottom end of the bottom bucket.
This rig is deployed over the side at the end of your whisker pole swung out abeam of your boat. As the boat rolls down, the weights pull the pails down and the doormat "valve flaps" allow water to rush in easily. As the boat rolls back up the valves flap shut and the upward pull on the pails is quite considerable. Multiply by the length of your whisker pole, and you have a pretty good "lateral sea anchor" to help reduce rolling.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Use your main halyard or other sturdy line to support the ouboard end of the whisker pole. Most topping lifts are not made for the heavy load that the pails will put on the up-stroke.
Hope this helps,
[quote=sailingdog]The ones used on sailboats are square box-like things that have flaps that allow them to move through the water easily in one direction but resist motion in the other. They're designed to help reduce the rolling of boats while at anchor or docked.[/quote]
Yup, what SD said.
Personally I don't see why anyone would use them. If I want to sleep on the hard I'll do it at home.
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If you want to go completely creative, you can buy sheets of label stock - the whole 8-1/2 x 11 sheet is a single label - and design your own in any size that fits your jar. I use various sizes of jars for my honey so this allows me to make up whatever size will fit my jar. You just design a whole sheet and cut it apart. Works well for me. I use artwork I find online and the labels look great. Just print them up as I need them.
This is my label I came up with, had it printed at office depot. Hopefully the pic is here. It's a pic I took in clover field beside my house.Joe
Sparky, they charged $15 file manipulation 1 time fee. I got 3M labels, I believe there was 30 sheets (300 labels) $25. And the printing $17.70 total 58.20 plus tax. Being my first labels I got 150 for pints and 150 for quarts. Now I get mostly pint labels. Same label with only difference being the weight. I got several pics in the spring, I have a 25 acre crimmson clover field on one side of house (15yards) and bee yard on the other (20 yards) side of home. Hope this was some help.Joe


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Commercial Freshwater Fishing
Saltwater Demarcation Line
The line established in this state as the separation point between salt and fresh water for fishing licenses, commercial fishing, and sport fishing is as follows:
(a) The point at which U.S. Highway 17 crosses the following bodies of water and their tributaries shall be the line of demarcation: St. Marys River, Satilla River, South Altamaha River, Champney River, Butler River, Darien River, Little Ogeechee River System (except Salt Creek), North Newport River, Medway River, Big Ogeechee River and Savannah River. All water seaward of these points is considered salt water;
(b) The following streams and their tributaries are designated as salt water for their entire length: Crooked River, Little Satilla River, South Brunswick River, Turtle River, Sapelo River, South Newport River, Salt Creek (Little Ogeechee System), and all other rivers, streams and tributaries in the six coastal counties which are not covered in (a).
Freshwater ponds on the seaward side of the demarcation line are not considered salt waters. Commercial fishermen fishing in salt waters seaward of the saltwater demarcation line must have a commercial boat license as well as a commercial fishing license.
Protected Species
Nothing in these regulations allows the taking or disturbing of State and Federally protected fish, turtles, mussels, or other wildlife. There are currently 55 fish species, 7 salamander species, 14 mussel species, and 13 turtle species on the state protected list. Additionally, all nonvenomous snakes are protected. Many of these species may be encountered while fishing. It is unlawful to capture, kill, or sell any of these protected species.
For a complete list of protected species, see Chapter 391-4-10 of the Rules and Regulations of the State of Georgia, or contact the Nongame/Natural Heritage Section, 2065 U.S. Hwy 278 SE, Social Circle, GA 30025, phone (770) 918-6411.
Closed Areas
It is illegal to commercial fish in the public fishing areas operated by the Department of Natural Resources; within one-half mile below any lock or dam; in the Coosa River from the confluence of the Etowah and Oostanaula Rivers to the Georgia-Alabama boundary line and all streams flowing into the Coosa River between those two points; in the Oostanaula River from State Highway 156 Bridge to the confluence of the Oostanaula and Etowah Rivers and all streams flowing into the Oostanaula River between those two points; in the Etowah River from U.S. Highway 411 Bridge downstream to the confluence of the Etowah and Oostanaula Rivers and all streams flowing into the Etowah River between those two points; or in that portion of Lake Weiss located in Georgia.
The waters listed above are closed to all commercial freshwater fishing. Other areas may be closed to certain types of gear or fishing. Be sure to check for additional restrictions under the type of fishing you plan to do.
Game Fish
Throughout this section you will see references to game fish. Game fish are: largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, spotted bass, redeye (Coosa) bass, shoal bass (Flint River smallmouth), Suwannee bass, white bass, striped bass, striped-white bass hybrid, rainbow trout, brown trout, brook trout, white crappie, black crappie, American shad, hickory shad, flier, spotted sunfish (stumpknockers), rock bass (goggleye), redbreast sunfish, redear sunfish, bluegill (bream), warmouth, walleye, sauger, muskellunge, chain pickerel, grass pickerel, redfin pickerel, channel catfish and flathead catfish.
There are no bag or possession limits on fish taken legally during freshwater commercial fishing.
Fishing Gear
It is illegal to use any fishing gear in Georgia that is not specifically mentioned as being legal. Descriptions of legal gear and the use of that gear may be found under different headings in this guide.
It is illegal to use any firearm; battery, generator or other similar device; dynamite or other explosive; or any destructive substances, including poisons, walnut hulls and lime, for the purpose of catching, killing, taking or harming fish. The possession of any of the foregoing devices or substances, except firearms or batteries used to operate motors or lights, will be deemed primafacie evidence of guilt.
Any commercial fishing gear being used illegally will be seized and held until the illegal gear is claimed. If after a reasonable time the illegal gear is not claimed, it will become the property of the Department and disposed of as directed by the Commissioner.
A commercial trotline is one line which has more than 50 hooks in any combination or a combination of lines with more than 50 hooks in use by one person. Commercial trotlines must be tagged with the name, address and commercial freshwater fishing license number of the person using the gear; submerged at least three (3) feet below the surface of the water; marked with visible buoys; attended regularly; and removed after the completed fishing trip. It is illegal to keep game fish taken with trotlines except American shad and hickory shad taken during shad season, channel catfish and flathead catfish.
Turtle Traps
Turtle traps must be constructed of netting and shaped as hoop nets. They must also have one open muzzle or throat at least 32 inches wide and a ring 10 inches in diameter made into the rear of the trap to permit fish to escape. Turtle traps must have a tag attached to them with the name, address and commercial freshwater fishing license number of the person using the trap. It is illegal to retain game fish taken in turtle traps or to fish turtle traps in the Chattahoochee River and its impoundments lying between Georgia and Alabama.
Baskets must be constructed of one inch (1") mesh wire and must not be more than 72 inches in length or more than 60 inches in circumference. One throat must be located at the extreme front of the basket and the second throat must be 17 inches behind the first. The second throat must have a trap door seven and one-half inches (7 1/2") square. Baskets fished in the Georgia portion of Clarks Hill Reservoir, Hartwell Reservoir, Richard B. Russell Reservoir, Lake Yonah, Lake Tugaloo (Toogaloo), Stevens Creek Reservoir or the impounded waters of the New Savannah Bluff Lock and Dam may have a second throat (in place of the one with the trap door) made of one inch (1") square mesh webbing attached so that when the mesh is drawn taut by cords attached to each side, a horizontal opening is created which is not more than one inch (1") in height. Baskets must also have tags attached to them which bear the name, address and commercial freshwater fishing license number of the person using the gear. It is illegal to fish baskets in freshwater flowing streams. You must notify the conservation ranger in the area of the time and place you plan to use a basket. It is unlawful to take any game fish except channel catfish and flathead catfish with baskets. No person may fish more than five (5) baskets in Sinclair and Oconee lakes. Also, no person can fish the baskets of another person unless that person is with them.
It is illegal to possess any basket capable of use in taking fish unless you have a commercial fishing license and the basket is marked with your name, address and commercial fishing license number. You may, however, possess baskets constructed as described above without having a commercial license if you are holding them for sale and at a regularly established place for such sale. You may also possess and use a basket or trap for taking fish from your private pond without having a commercial fishing license ("private pond" means a body of water being wholly on or within the lands of one title where fish cannot go upstream or downstream or to the lands of another).
All Atlantic coastal states, including Georgia, have enacted a closure or moratorium on the harvest of Atlantic sturgeon in addition to the moratorium on harvest of shortnose sturgeon. It is unlawful to harvest or possess Atlantic or shortnose sturgeon in Georgia.
Gill Nets on Lake Seminole
From November 1 through January 31, gill nets may be fished on Lake Seminole in the Flint River Arm from Faceville Landing upstream to, but not including, the mouth of Big Slough; in the Spring Creek arm from State Route 253 upstream to U.S. Route 84; and in Fish Pond Drain from State Route 253 upstream to County Road 1659 at the north end of Ray's Lake. Nets may be set only in water eight (8) feet deep and shallower. Nets may not be set in stream channels. Fishermen are limited to a total of 300 linear feet of netting. Gill net mesh must be two inches (2") on the square. All nets must be marked by visible buoys and, in addition, the nets must be clearly labeled with the name and commercial fishing license number of the fisherman. All game fish and catfish taken in gill nets must be released.
Eel Traps and Eel Fishing
Persons fishing commercially for eels must have a valid commercial fishing license. It is legal to fish commercially for eels in the Savannah River from the saltwater demarcation line to a point one-half mile below Stevens Creek Reservoir Dam; in the Ogeechee River from the saltwater demarcation line to the U.S. Highway 25 Bridge at Millen; in the Altamaha River from the saltwater demarcation line to the confluence of the Oconee and Ocmulgee rivers; in the Oconee River from the confluence of the Oconee and Ocmulgee rivers to a point one-half mile below Lake Sinclair Dam; in the Ocmulgee River from the confluence of the Oconee and Ocmulgee rivers to a point one-half mile below Juliette Dam; in the Satilla River from the saltwater demarcation line to U.S. Highway 84 (formerly Highway 82) Bridge at Waycross; and in the St. Marys River from the saltwater demarcation line to Georgia Highway 94 Bridge near St. George. It is illegal to commercial fish for eels within one-half mile below any lock or dam in these areas. Legal traps are rectangular pots no larger than 24 inches x 24 inches x 15 inches and cylindrical traps no larger than 15 inches nor smaller than nine inches (9") in diameter and no greater than 36 inches in length. Both types of traps must be constructed of material with a mesh size no smaller than one inch x one-half inch (1" x 1/2"), except the throat (or muzzle) and the end opposite the throat (or muzzle) of cylindrical traps. There is no restriction on the construction material for the throats and ends of the cylindrical traps. The size of the hole in the throat of both types of trap must be limited by a two inch (2") steel ring attached to the throat. Each individual trap must have a tag attached to it bearing the name, address and commercial fishing license number of the person using the trap. All fish other than eels and eels less than six inches (6") long must be immediately released where they are caught. Possession of any fish other than eels at least six inches (6") long is primafacie evidence of fishing illegally.
Freshwater Mussels
The following waters are open from sunrise to sunset on Monday through Friday of each week from April 1 to August 31 each year, except Memorial Day and Independence Day, to the lawful harvest of mussels:
It shall be unlawful to harvest mussels in fresh water by any form of dredging, brailing, pumping, any form of mechanical scooping or by dragging any material over the mussels. Any person violating this provision is subject to the civil penalty provisions of O.C.G.A. 27-1-36.
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Re: Pearson Wanderer - Deal or No Deal?
Oh very nice...I just moved out of that area to Cape May New Jersey...We are working on getting Chasing Gwion ready to do small charters here for warmer weather.
Re: Pearson Wanderer - Deal or No Deal?
Hey there, Faiththompson. My wife and I have a1966 Wanderer on the Potomac. Hull number 5. We've had it a year and she's one of the prettiest boats at the marina. Always turns heads. Sails great and goes almost anywhere.
Re: Pearson Wanderer - Deal or No Deal?
Originally Posted by laHolland View Post
I need some quick feedback to make sure I'm not making a crazy mistake. We put a deposit on a '67 Pearson Wanderer (30 foot, shoal draft w/centerboard). Original A4, runs well w/good compression, owner was diligent about maintenance, barrier coated, new aluminum spreaders, pretty good sails, awlgrip topsides, deck needs repainting, cabin is clean/dry and shows signs of good maintenance habits, like most boats this age probably has some moisture in deck but not soft and no obvious signs of deck leakage. Overall a boat that you can tell was built in the 60s but that isn't necessarily a bad thing: like if the Brady Bunch had a boat. We kind of dig it.
Would you pay $6600 for this boat? My concern is mostly with it's age and that it has such an old engine. We couldn't afford to replace it for at least a few more years.
|I thought the same thing, but after 20+ hours of trawling the net over the past month I haven't found anything around here that would work, without even considering price. Maybe it's just the season though. I get the feeling that around here, the fall (and maybe the spring?) is the best time for bargain boat shopping.
I refuse to believe that you won't find an acceptable replacement that fits your budget. The economy is in the crapper, and not really getting any better and it's winter time, best time for shopping. If anything, your choices will continue to expand for a while.
The loss of your beautiful boat is a tragedy, but you'll find a good replacement.
In 2010, a friend of mine bought a Tartan 30 in fine shape for less than you paid for the Pearson. I paid $1800 for a solid Coronado 25 with a new outboard.
Keep looking, and hang in there.
Mirari, My intention has not been to put down the people at Portland Riverside Marina. I don't blame them for the accident -- obviously they didn't intend for this to happen. They are, as you say, generally a good boatyard to deal with, very reasonably priced and friendly, which is why we were repeat customers even though there is a boatyard much closer to our home. The boatyard manager is a very kindhearted person (and a good manager) and the staff are all excellent at what they do.
That said, the owners have offered us no form of compensation, which is disappointing. In fact, they haven't communicated with us at all. I don't know if they are legally required to do so (thank you hellosailor for the links), but it feels like it would be the right (and professional) thing to do. I'm not saying we expect a pile of cash, just something.. a token.. anything really. Yes, we did not as yet receive a bill for unloading the boat from the trailer or for the short time the boat was stored, but the boatyard has not explicitly offered to waive the fee, so there is the possibility that they will attempt to bill us. Our boat was placed in the "campground" section (along with several other boats) because we were told at the time that the yard was full, but that they would make room for us (which we appreciated). There were already several boats in this section, and they regularly store boats in this area (our first boat, which we bought from the marina, was stored here).
I looked at the big tree, and thought to myself "that looks dangerous" but I don't know if there were any outward signs of decay. It was an old tree, and I figured if it lasted this long, it must be OK (wrong), and of course I didn't really have a choice anyway. However, during the weeks after our boat was placed in the campground section, several other boats were placed in the main boatyard. Perhaps because they were bigger? I don't know.
We were loyal customers, and we had referred a couple other people to them as well. The boatyard is full and they are clearly having a good year. I would certainly fight back (legally) if they tried to charge us for the cost to remove their tree off of our boat. I'm sure the owners of the two other boats that were damaged would agree.
Yes, our insurance allowed us to recover the money we spent, but now we have no boat. The boat was a uniquely good deal - sold to us for under it's value because the previous owner needed to get rid of it before the season ended, and because he and his wife are very nice people who wanted the boat to go to a good home. It was in very good condition, the previous owner loved this boat and had taken very good care of it (when I told him about the accident he was heartbroken). Our four nephews (who are avid sailors) were very excited about the boat and one of them was so excited he drew a picture for us to hang in the boat. Needless to say they were very disappointed as well.
Yes, I know it's just a physical object, and yes, I'm very glad no one got hurt. But our financial (can't spend more than we spent on our crushed boat) and physical situation (must be shoal draft) will make it difficult to find a comparable boat (30', in good condition), and life is short.
|Sorry for your loss. However, now that you are back in the hunt, you may want to consider the early Tartan 34's in addition to the Wanderer. It will be tough to find one near the price you paid for the Wanderer, but they are more plentiful. There's a couple on YW with A4s asking $11 - 12K.
Yard, yard's insurer...What it comes down to are the laws in CT.
http://www.vineandbranch.net/Premise...ity_4-9-07.pdf seems to say that CT puts the burden on the property owner to check on the health of their trees because healthy ones don't just fall down.
Barts Connecticut Tree Service - Part 2 includes a longer quote from the CT insurance department " The tree owner is legally liable for the damage only if his negligence caused the tree to fall. Otherwise, it is an "Act of God" which would be covered under the neighbor's Section I Property Coverage of the homeowners policy.If the tree falls on your own house, damage to the house is covered. The insurance policy covers the cost to remove the tree from the house. "
So the only real question would be if there were obvious signs that the tree was unhealthy (split, rotted, dying?) and of course, whether the tree was on the marina's property.
A real gentlemen might step up, if the insured value didn't cover the boat, the sales tax, the transport expenses, and make laHolland entirely whole for that. And, perhaps, throw in something extra to compensate for the time and expense that the new search will entail.
Unless it was ruled an Act of God, in which case you send the bill to...The Pope? The Imam of Jerusalem? (Oh yeah, they're all representatives of The One God, until it comes time to pay the bills.
Ms Holland, I'm glad this all worked out for you and you were fully covered. I've been silently following this posting as my boat is only a few boats away from the scene of the accident. It appeared to be a great little boat and I can understand your disappointment on losing this fine looking vessel. I noticed you mentioned the marina being Portland Riverside and also noted that their insurance was not covering anything. From the reactions of some of the others posting here your posting appeared to have put the yard in a less than favorable light. Some of the folks seem to think the yard owes you something. I think some clarifications are due here:
1. Part of the storage contract is that the boat owner MUST insure his or her's own vessel. This is pretty standard for winter contracts.
2. It was the yard's insurance, not the yard that denied coverage. Had you not had insurance I can almost guarantee that that Riverside would make this right for you, not for legal reasons but because that's the type of people they are (I've been a customer since 1985).
3. They normally don't put boats in the area that yours was in but I understand they filled the yard up early this year and told you that but because you were a previous customer they would make an exception and find you a space.
4. I don't know for sure but I'll bet they didn't charge you a dime for unloading your boat when it came into the yard or for any work they had to do in regards to this accident.
As you can no doubt tell I'm a very satisfied customer of Portland Riverside. Apart from their low storage rates my experience is they bend over backwards to accomadate their customers. They fully support the do it yourselfer and will accommodate you if you want to do something like spray paint your own boat by putting you in an appropriate area. They prices in the marine store beat West marine and Defender almost every time.
When a business wrongs a customer I'll be the first to point a finger but at the same time when a business goes above and beyond I'll be the first to praise them.
I hope you find a great new vessel to replace the one you just lost.
I'm glad to hear that you got your payment in a timely fashion.
About 10 years ago our boat chafed it's mooring pendant and was damaged enough that the insurance co. (BOATUS) deemed it a complete total loss (CTL). We ended up buying the boat back from them for $800 and received a check for the difference between the face value of the ins. minus the $800 and did the repairs ourselves.
It was nearly impossible to get insurance the next year. Most marine insurance applications have a question like: "Have you suffered a total loss in the last 3 years?" If you have then they likely will not insure you.
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Latest Holland Festival UPDATE!!!
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Update added 5 June 2005 :
We are sorry to anounce that it is not possible to make reservations for chalets and villas anymore. There are only a limited amount of campingspots available.
BHAKTI-Holland kindly requests all the honourable guests of The Way of Love festival 2005 to email us their flight information, so we can make the necessary arrangements for the transportation from the airport to the festival-location. Please send the information to: Transportation will be arranged from Amsterdam airport and Eindhoven airport on the 8th of July.
BHAKTI-Holland is looking forward to welcome everyone for "The Way of Love festival 2005".
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I'm looking to go travelling to various countries from Peru to Vietnam and have been considering the option to teach English, to fund myself around the globe. The trouble is, that I have absolutely no idea what kind of tefl course would be suitable for my needs. I'm currently working at a school as a PPA teacher so I have quite a lot of experience in teaching, but I have no formal qualification. I do, however, possess a BA in drama, and have over two years experience in working with children within the primary sector.
Unfortunately, my funds are rather low so a cheaper tefl option would be preferable. What do you think are my best options for acquiring a tefl qualification that could see me through, where ever I may end up?
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Winged horse racing is the racing of winged horses. It is unknown whether there are individual races for each breed, or if there are just general winged horse races open to all breeds, however the former is most likely as Granians are famous for their speed and would put the other participants at a disadvantage. The only known competitive racer is Laurentia Fletwock, who also breeds the horses.
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|My boat had inmast furling when I bought her. Replaced the mast after one season. I didn't like the weight of the mast (almost 400 lbs), the depth of the section, and the lack of roach on a battenless sail. The rig was noisy at anchor when the wind blew. Furling or reefing was a bit of a chore when the wind pipped up. Finally,the boat's performance really suffered with this set up.I replaced the rig with a carbon spar 4 1/2 ft higher (160 lbs) and now have a Selden boom with single line reefing together with a dutchman. The main is full batten and is on a Harken batt car system. Reefing lines and main halyard lead back to the cockpit. This system has worked very well.
All true. To each his own. It did work - although flawless is a pretty big word in any context - to its credit. An analogue may be this; I use a Bruce as my primary anchor. Others may favor other designs that work. For reasons unnecesary to write here, I deploy the Bruce.
Sometimes after using a piece of gear I have not used before I say 'Wow thats great'. Sometimes I am very happy to have what I have. My intention was to say simply I have used it and wouldn't want it.
In what is likely another unpoular view here, I feel being 'able to do everything' from the cockpit is overrated. And unrealistic.
Originally Posted by cutterorient View Post
Dan, same boat. I would not want my feelings on the gear to reach its owner, however. Its a decent piece of gear and I didn't mean to sound harsh. Given the choice, personally, I would still choose the old fashioned variety.
The rally was great fun, nice work on it. I only sailed the leg back though and it was a beam reach for about 4 days. Wet dream.
Funny, I asked them about it specifically when they got to Bermuda, and the weather going down was far worse than that going home. They said it worked flawlessly. Go figure.
Dan, same boat. I would not want my feelings on the gear to reach its owner, however. Its a decent piece of gear and I didn't mean to sound harsh. Given the choice, personally, I would still choose the old fashioned variety.
The rally was great fun, nice work on it. I only sailed the leg back though and it was a beam reach for about 4 days. Wet dream.
A new neighbor passing through has a roller boom which he has been satisfied with. It carries full battens and he says is not tempermental.
I've sailed several boats with in mast furling in winds ranging from 20-30 kts and only had trouble furling on two of them. Both because the boats were recently rigged and the halyards stretched from the heavier winds. On one I tensioned the halyard and all was well. On the other I waited for a lull, headed up and worked it back in. In both cases I should have reefed sooner than I did. If I had done so I doubt I would have had issues with either.
As for less power that's more of an issue with the older mains without the battens. Still not the same as a full main but much better than they were. No problems hitting hull speeds so not an issue in my book.
Originally Posted by paulk View Post
I would run the other way from in-mast furling, for the reasons mentioned above and:
1. noise at anchor from wind whistling in the slot
2. "Operator error" most likely at most inopportune moment
3. lack of battens making sail shape a nonsense term
4. lack of battens making sail noise (flapping) and wearing sail out sooner
5. vertical battens (if you have them) that WILL poke through their pockets and get stuck inside the mast
5. reefing keeps sail area high on the mast when you want it there least
6. how to fix things that jam 20' up in a 5' sea (it won't jam when it's flat)
It sounds to me that though many people may profess to enjoying their in-mast r/f systems, they're like the fox who lost his tail in the trap. Boom-mounted systems, though they may have some of the same and other issues, seem to make much more sense.
WHat is your first hand experience with Inmast? I used to think just like you did BEFORE I owned one. Not now.
1. I have never had this happen, and we get some really wispy winds in N Texas. In fact, the loudest boat in the marina is a Panda 38 about three slips down (trad main) that can almost keep everyone else awake at night. This is not an issue I have had or have ever heard anyone with Inmast complain about. I will also add that all you need is one fellow with a AirX or similar in the anchorage and you wouldn't hear a thing on your boat anyways... or my kids blaring Thomas the Train Engine for that matter.
2. I do not buy this point at all. Operator error is operator error and not a factor of the sytsem. I was very clear in my debate on the other thread that if you try and reef a inmast like a traditional slab, you will screw it up. But isnt' this true for all things nautical? Learn how to work them. Imagine the guys transitioning from square sails to....
3. That is the concern I have shared too. I have found the main on Inmast much more depowered than on traditional and was almost a deal killer at first (spoke to another 400 owner about trading masts).
4. I do not agree. And let;s not forget the UV exposure and elements exposure of a slab reefed sail laying across the boom versus an inmast protected inside the mast.
5. Do not have them so cannot comment.
5. Not sure I completely agree there either. And let's not forget to discuss two huge [ositieves with inmast versus trad:
a. You can do EVERYTHING from the cockpit. I have always had to go forward in a rolling sea and blow to reef (or before hand) and make sure everything is lashed down hard. In a strong rolling sea, the T-slides always seemed to get stuck on the track and we had to pull them down by hand about three feet over the gooseneck on our 380.
b. This one is very important: You have a second, traditional, T-Track on Inmast (at least mine). THis allows you to rig a trysail and the base of the mast and keep it as a spare secondary. Many people did not know this. So you could in fact reef your inmast completely in and pull out a trysail as a storm sail. Interesting huh?
6. No dissagreeing with you there. That is the concern. I guess your best option is to release the outhaul and wrap it around the mast, but no option for fixing it is pretty.
Anyways, as I have said, I find that most of the people who have owned these actually like them. I find that most of the people who are negative on them either have never had much use on the NEW ones, or theyir experience is on the old ones which apparently had problems.
I have NOT given the system my full support yet. I have been out in some nice blows, but never out at sea with it in a storm. I will reserve my full support until I see how she does offshore in a blow in a nice sea. That is when things always want to jam.... not in the wind but in the seas. I guess I will find out soon. I will put no less than 450 - 500 miles on her in the next few weeks when we sail across the gulf. I will report back then with my opinions.
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FWIW, I sailed on a boat from Bermuda to NY with an in mast furler and that pretty much made up my mind. Even the owner didn't fully trust it and it was stock from the factory on a french boat starting with j. The leech was thrashed and made noise the entire way, sail shape was poor. Any convenience seemed offset by a nagging feeling of uncertainty.
|Once they're set up (halyard tension is key) they're fine. You have to head up to furl, unfurl but you would do that with any sail. I've been heaving to then furling the main and it works like a charm. The genny blankets the main which makes furling a snap. As for troubles, if it starts to jam you just pull it back in a foot or two, take the wind out of it and pull it back out. People get into trouble when they try to force it. BTW a standard main is now "optional" but not sure if there's a cost to it. I think it depends on the manufacturer.
FWIW, I sailed on a boat from Bermuda to NY with an in mast furler and that pretty much made up my mind. Even the owner didn't fully trust it and it was stock from the factory on a french boat starting with j. The leech was thrashed and made noise the entire way, sail shape was poor. Any convenience seemed offset by a nagging feeling of uncertainty.
For kicking around a bay on a small boat, I think it would be great.
On my boat I have the Tides Marine Strong Track and think it a terrific thing as well as being very simple - just the way I like it. Main goes up by hand and down as fast as you want it to.
I don't even like my headsail furler. It is often a p.i.t.a. but it just so happens to make for convenient storgae of a large sail. My staysail is a hank on and I can report 100 % function and zero problems. Plus it looks cool.
Probably the best advice I can give is something any long time boat owner will appreciate and agree with. That is...the less mechanical devices you deal with, the happier the sailor you will be in the long run.
I'm totally biased, as I sought out a Bene that did not have the mast furler. It's 1) mechanical, 2) not safe in heavy weather, and 3) slow
I love my stack pack. The hoist is a breeze, the drop is a snap. After I drop, it's a simple zip of the pack. Lot's easier than dealing with a jam.
Full disclosure. I have thought about how great the in boom furling would be, but again, it's mechanical and bound to break, and I've much better things to spend money on.
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Spiritgreen wrote:Love the way you colored & textured this. Finished design looks sweet!
Thanks, I hope to be wearing your shirt this holiday season.
Spiritgreen wrote:Thanks! ^__^
It's an everyday scene for dinosaurs with a roleplaying twist, Westlyftw. The setting just needs to be appropriate for whatever character you base your design around. You could have rabbits playing dungeon in their burrow, for instance. There's always that freedom in the derbies that you don't have to stick to humans.
Let's assume for a second that you are right, and everyday scenes with non-humans is fine. How is this an everyday scene with dinosaurs? The meteor that wiped them out happened FAR less than everyday.
Re: Obey the DM
This isn't just a campaign poster spoof. It's a spoof of a My Little Pony spoof of a campaign poster. ;)
mentalabsence wrote:This isn't just a campaign poster spoof. It's a spoof of a My Little Pony spoof of a campaign poster. ;)
Actually, the "OBEY" meme is from Orwell's 1984
ngutron wrote:Awesome design, but where's the Real Life connection?
Thanks, death is an everyday thing. Not just people but all around us. Plus, RPG games seem to go on forever. Hopefully you can beat death to the end.
I did a similar take on death as an everyday thing in the last "everyday" derby. 8-Bit is Dead
lyonscc wrote:Actually, the "OBEY" meme is from Orwell's 1984
It's also shepard fairey's two most famous posters. Hope, and Obey Giant.
Level 3, hidden in the maze... The invisible dot.
OHFireRescue wrote:The first game I can remember that had an Easter Egg.
Re: Let Sleeping Dragons Lie
You are such a Marxist!
Re: Difficult decisions
Looks great!
raevynpheather wrote:Pokemon is not a tabletop RPG. It is a video game and a card game.
Aslo, I am not a Ramyb hater, as I own 20+ of his shirts, I am just annoyed that this derby is supposed to be about tabletop RPGs and everyone is doing video games.
I'm just going based off what tgentry said in the prederby thread
tgentry wrote:...tabletop or video game isn't important so long as it's clear we're dealing with role-playing in some way. SFW role-playing that is.
I hope that clears up why there are so many video game shirts around. I only have a little bit of experience with tabletop rpgs, so I wanted to do a design based on what I know better
ramyb wrote:They grow up so fast :`)
This so perfect describes my relationship with felines.
lyonscc wrote:Alrighty - this time I've got a clear RPG reference (the dungeonmaster). And everyone knows if you don't obey the DM, you're toast.
Love the design. I would buy this without the Dungeon Master line. I know it would make it off-topic, but just saying...
brerfunk wrote:Love the design. I would buy this without the Dungeon Master line. I know it would make it off-topic, but just saying...
It originally didn't have the DM line on it, and got rejected (for that reason).
hodelkm wrote:Is that a fez?
i think it's a bucket (or should i say, Bouquet? for +5 CHA?)
Re: The Grind
College uniform.
How many will I need to last 4.5 years?
Re: Occupy Dungeons
great tee! <3
uninspired designs...
lloyd2002 wrote:that miraculously get a rush of votes the first day or so
i'm new here (not a designer, just a happy customer) and i noticed that too (dunno if it was a coincidence, and who's to blame if not).
couldn't woot.com check for IP? that should make it harder to cheat.
fungusamongus wrote:This little guy has a job for you, you can only imagine the rewards! Enjoy
I have a pet-sitting business, so I must own this! Dogs get no love on here though.
cptgone wrote:uninspired designs...
i'm new here (not a designer, just a happy customer) and i noticed that too (dunno if it was a coincidence, and who's to blame if not).
couldn't woot.com check for IP? that should make it harder to cheat.
It might make it harder, but there are a number of businesses and colleges that run their networks through a proxy-IP, which would give a ton of false-positives (I run a few websites on the side, and when we try to do verification via IP addresses, it gets pretty dicey).
I think Woot's primary method to prevent cheating like that is the fact that you have to have purchased something to be able to vote, and once you purchase something, Woot has the name and address of the customer.
eburgeson wrote:This is a great original design! I am just wondering if there is something disproportionate about the cat's eyes or perhaps an angle problem.
Nah, I think the eye is reacting to the flame. Perhaps, fix the eye and flip flop the weapons of the outer mice. Though, then everyone that voted needs to switch their votes to the new version. Not worth a do-over, looks good how it is.
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+10 Clean!
Thanks Sombrillo! It was quite a task and I'm just happy I managed to get something halfway decent done in time! Do you have an entry? I think Red Potion will win. I'm definitely getting a few when it does
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srm8ib4 wrote:There should be an extra in -20000
not too sure what this means. It's missing a comma? If so, I put it in originally, but I didn't like the break in the word.
xxchange wrote:More like -40000 gold.
This is adorable, but I won't be buying it... I don't like video games.
You should totally start liking them!
-40000 might have been funnier and I thought about going higher. 20,000 is around what I had, and it is the national average of student debt.
chiinkz86 wrote:Replace smarts with intelligence.
I had originally put "intelligence", but it was a little too long of a word. It didn't really sit well on the shirt.
IgnatiusRiley wrote:If it's a psychology degree you could add Employability + .0000000001.
Oh, snap!
udontease wrote:all of this is true. although I would say stamina -50 or something, especially for those of us who live off of coffee.
I had thought about putting another gag in the shirt like "smarts: -10" but I wanted the gold to be the punch-line. Thanks for the suggestion, though!
Re: Indestructible
Brilliant. I would love this to print. Hopefully we have enough Diablo II fans on woot to get this into the fog! GMV
Re: In The Lair Of The Black Cat
I like the look in the cat's eyes. Very good.
'Tis funny.
Re: He Has His Mothers Voice
I love this. Especially the dorky dad.
Re: 20 Nap
This is so cute. I like the stripes. A lot.
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I'm not a cat person at all. Yet, I couldn't help but to be compelled to vote for this because it's so silly.
I think it's the duct tape.
Re: Encounter
I'm curious as to who would actually wear this. Do people that don't know how to talk to girls wear these as a psychosomatic reaction, in hopes that wearing it will somehow make people think that they DO know how to talk to girls because they're farcifying it? Ridiculous.
paaiyan wrote:It's really amusing, but the mouth on the dad bothers me. Not sure if the mouth is closed, or open with one giant tooth in it.
I probably could have defined his smile a little better. If I submit this elsewhere, that's on of the things I would like to address.
bassanimation wrote:This is most excellent :D. Ive been watching my fiance play Skyrim. I get such a kick out of the twitching dragon skeletons that randomly fall out of the sky. Yay bugs!
Great work, Radscoolian!
Thanks Bas! I like bugs too! Spiders are probably my favorite.
Bugs in video games are cool too.
One of my co-workers was telling me that it almost shipped with a bug that allowed chickens to witness and report crimes.
taternuggets wrote:This has a very creepy vibe to it. And that's what makes it awesome.
Glad you like it!
I was going for a awkward family photo vibe. I thought it would be funny if the dragon born's parents were having him pose for like a christmas card, and his dad was sort of a embarrassing creepy type dad who married a dragon.
vwclogan wrote:A to the W to the S to the... I was going to do the whole word but I took an arrow to the knee.
I used to be an adventurer...
kevito wrote:The world is not a just place if this doesn't come in first.
Sorry to destroy your whole outlook- I don't think it will.
So watch this video and eat some pie- you'll for get all about injustice.
zozobra2011 wrote:The comb-over cracks me up!
What comb-over? It's not a comb-over! It's just a little thin, is all!
BootsBoots wrote:I love this. Especially the dorky dad.
Thanks Boots!
Would you consider switching out the Race category to "Human"? That way, more people could wear and enjoy it!
Great design!
lloyd2002 wrote:uninspired, recycled cats/turtles/penguins/bunnies that marginally meet derby theme
Aside from a lot of stuff being discussed that I don't really agree with, THIS, I do agree with. At least we can take comfort that it most likely won't print in the midst of some fresh designs that are actually getting attention for once.
Love the design, but I think it's a bit off topic. :/
Re: Death
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dmaz wrote:I'm curious as to who would actually wear this. Do people that don't know how to talk to girls wear these as a psychosomatic reaction, in hopes that wearing it will somehow make people think that they DO know how to talk to girls because they're farcifying it? Ridiculous.
I would wear this shirt... it was practically made for me.
I can talk to girls, until their interested then I just go in to The Star Wars Holiday Special (1978) myself mode.
Re: DM navigation
No entries this time - I'm pretty clueless about video games. Glad to see you got an entry in. Looking forward to many more & buying one of Mudhutters' shirts someday soon!
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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by markie8002000, Jun 13, 2009.
I expect Darth to respond to roscoe's post in ...3 ...2 ...1.
Looks like the magic want to keep him... Magic: Luxury tax no 'hindrance' to re-up Turkoglu - FOX Sports on MSN
So the Magic who have been LOSING money is going to the lux tax? I agree with you guys. It's dumb to spend money on Boozer, just because he's the "best FA" in this FA class. Trading is the way to go imo.
Why? Is there a model along these lines that has been successfully implemented in the past?
...the past is irrelevant. ...the present is unattainable. ...the FUTURE is all that really matters. As far as this year's free agents go, the best available players aren't all that great. So why use up a bunch of cap space to sign 'em??? Save your cash to snake some players from financially strapped teams in trades. Sign some young and hungry guys on the cheap to find that "diamond in the rough" type player. Make a serious run at one or more free agents in NEXT year's class. RealGM: 2010 Free Agents Everyone is talking about Kobe, Lebron & Wade but there's a lot of other names on this list that are worth saving some cap-space for.
can we get a poll for wanted FA/draft picks? See how we fare and seeing how the season goes will we have beackpedalers or bandwagoneers.
I agree with BDL. I would much rather see the Pistons save their money for next year than spend it this year on marginal talent just for the sake of getting someone new. 2009 Free Agents Unrestricted Carlos Boozer Shaun Marion Ron Artest Ben Gordon Hedo Turkey-Glue Memo Okur Grant Hill Lamar Odom Chris Wilcox Restricted Charlie Villanueva David Lee Paul Millsap Leon Powe Marcin Gortat Ramon Sessions Glen Davis Linus Kleiza Jamario Moon Marvin Williams 2010 Free Agents Unrestricted Joe Johnson LeBron James Dwayne Wade Dirk Nowitzki Michael Redd Amare Stoudemire Manu Ginobili Chris Bosh Tyson Chandler Travis Outlaw Darko Milicic Amir Johnson Restricted LaMarcus Aldridge Ty Thomas Rajon Rondo Lius Scola After looking at the free agent lists for this Summer and next I now think Joe's plan is to make as much cap space as possible for his ultimate goal of re-signing Amir in 2010. But seriously, if you look at the names that are available next summer there's no comparison. Even if LeBron and D-Wade won't come here we could still have a shot at Joe Johnson, Dirk Nowizki, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Michael Redd, Manu Ginobili, etc... Compare that with this year where we're talking about Ben Gordon, Ron Artest, Paul Millsap, etc... Those are pretty good players in their own right but the talent gap between the two classes is significant. I personally would like to see Joe go out and get one or none of this year's FAs and focus on next Summer. Better yet he could try and package what we have now to make a trade for one of these players that are more than likely not going to re-sign and offer an extension with the Pistons (Bosh anyone?).
At this point in Piston history...Rajon Rondo is looking good.
That's a cop out and you know it. There's no successful way to rebuild a team that has not been done before. What you are saying is that we should be like Sterling's Clippers before he started spending money for a season (you know, a couple of posts back where you stated we should field a team of NBDL all-stars), and then suddenly become a contender the very next season on the strength of a good FA class. Baloney. And you know it. Other than that, I mostly agree with what you are saying : - Yes, there is no need to strictly pursue this summers crop of FAs. We can take on salaries without giving anything in return. There are teams looking to dump salaries for the sake of it. I have been arguing this very point not long after we traded Billups. The point is, teams are looking to dump this summer, and if there any real bargains to be had, they are just as likely to be had now as much as later, so I don't see your point. - Yes, we should seek out diamonds in the rough. But we can do that without fielding a bunch of NBDL guys. There's things called summer league, 10-day contracts, and in season practice, where diamonds can be found and polished. As Jerry Sloan has always stated, winning is and always will be the goal as far as he is concerned. Why should we lower our standards, especially when there is absolutely no need to? - As for waiting for 2010's FA class. Sure we could do that. But that does not necessarily mean we need to field a bunch of NBDL guys in the meantime. And, more to the point, if we can upgrade the team THIS summer, with trades and WILLING FAs, then why wait? There's never any guarantees some of those 2010 FAs will come to Detroit. So it makes absolutely NO SENSE to pass on a quality FA who does want to sign with us this summer. Its not like Detroit is one of the top ten destinations for FAs. It has never been. Witness Joel Pryzbilla for goodness sakes. Its cold. There's no beach. Ernie lurks on this forum. And you are sure to be penetrated by a frozen banana at some stage during the season, whether you consent or not. Bring on Ben Gordon!
I'd take Rondo over Stuckey any day.
Exactly...but 4 years ago...he doesn't get a 2nd look.
Rondo is the real deal. The most craft PG since Payton. But even if we set aside cap space for him, we are going to have some competition from at least a couple of others teams too (especially the team holding his Bird rights), and that is not including sign and trade deals Boston will potentially be exploring.
I guess I was being a little sarcastic about rolling with a bunch of D-Leaguers. I totally agree with you as far as trades go. I think some major steps can be made THIS summer through trades. The cool thing is that with the Pistons current cap situation, Joe will be negotiating with teams from a position of power. He can take on more salary. I think the only area that we differ is in regard to the '09 FA class. IMO, there aren't a lot of guys on that list that are worth 10 million bucks. Which is why I feel strongly that we should punt on signing a bunch of free agents THIS summer. With the exception of maybe Trevor Ariza, I don't see a lot of guys out there that are worth their asking price. Mos def not a "major" move, but I'd like to see Joe take a look at signing Von Wafer of the Rockets. He'd can be had for 1.5 - 3 million per and is the type of young/hungry dude that could be a solid bench dude for the next 5 years. The team that you had mentioned before: 1. Dre Miller 2. Rip / Stuckey 3. Ariza / Prince 4. Amir / Jmax 5. Gortat / Kwame ...I just don't see this group getting out of the 2nd round for the 20+ million dollars that they would require. I'd rather save the cap space to remain a flexible trade candidate and/or sign one or two FAs from the '10 class.
BDL, we are certainly more in agreement than not. The lineup I suggested was borne out of the need to play more up tempo. Rip can run all day long. I figured, put the athletic Ariza on the other wing, and have Dre Miller feeding them on the break, with Gortat/Kwame, and Max/Amir gobbling up boards to start with, and the team could achieve much more than what it appears it would on paper. And the bench would not be half bad. And we could still trade Rip or Prince or Stuckey or Max/Amir down the line too. Of course, if we did field such a lineup, it could always turn out to be a turd. Ya never really know til it happens. As I stated in the "How to think like Joe" thread, Ariza is almost a lock to stay with LA, and I sense Ben Gordon is at the top of Joe's FA list anyway.
I think you're right about Ariza. He's from SoCal which will make it more difficult to pry him away from the Lakers. I'm hoping that Joe thinks twice about signing Gordon. I'd rather see him wait a year and sign Joe Johnson (aka "Joe the Basketball player"). IMO, Johnson does what Gordon can do on offense AND he can D-up as well.
Maybe since he has spent so much time in CA, he doesn't realize how terrible it would be to live up here in the Midwest.
Agreed. I hope we are not totally forsaking defense in the name of "playing up-tempo". Playing good D is the best way to play up-tempo anyway. Force the other team to miss, get the board, and off to the races. Teams set their D after makes.
Joe Johnson is one of the guys that plays LeBron tough and LeBron isn't going anywhere. Even if he bolts from Cleveland (which I think he will); the Pistons will still have to get past the Knicks in the EC.
Rondo is garbage. His skill set is basically: I'm fast. It works on the Celtics because of the talent around him, but he would be horrible on almost any other team. Defense is supposed to be his strong suit, and I agree that he is active with quick hands. But he can afford to gamble on steals because he has solid defensive players (Garnett and Perkins) backing him up. On Offense, he is truly horrible. Outside of using his speed to drive the lane for a layup, he has no game. And half the reason he can drive effectively is because his teammates (Allen, Pierce, Garnett) can pull away any defensive rotation. And any person that comments on his assist/turnover ratio knows nothing about basketball. During a game, Rondo consistently will have wide open jump shots because you don't have to guard him. But instead of shooting (and bricking), he'll pass to a double-teamed Pierce or Allen with 2 seconds left on the shot clock. Pierce and Allen in turn are forced to heave a prayer at the rim. It doesn't count as a turnover, but it should. And occasionally, they'll make the shot, and Rondo will get creditted with an assist. But it was still a horrible play by him. And mentally, the guy is approaching Ron Artest levels of hot-headed garbage. Witness the Celtics-Bulls playoff series in which he elbowed Brad Miller in the head and yanked/shoved Hinrich into the scorers table. He should have been serving suspensions for that junk. Fast player with good teammates doesn't mean you're a good player.
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Unfortunately, I live in the Boston area and therefore am forced to follow the Celtics as they are all the local media pays any attention to and Rondo has game. I agree that he benefits greatly by sharing the floor with the talent he does but Rondo's a well rounded player. Personally, I can't stand the guy but he does have the skills.
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text: Sheed has always been an enigma. A player you can't rely on night to night. At times, he's as good as Dirk Nowitzki and other nights he looks like Troy Murphy. This season, he has to be the man. I can't see the Pistons winning a lot of games without consistent 18 point efforts from Sheed, along with all of the intangibles. Everyone on the squad is in awe of his pure talent, but it's my belief that Ben controlled that locker room and made sure that Rasheed was accountable night in and night out. Can he lead by example this year? Or will he be happy to continue playing 3rd fiddle to Rip and CB, perhaps even 4th fiddle should Tayshaun start asserting himself. Joe's most important guy is #36. In my opinion, without Chauncey, we might be in the lottery, but without Sheed, there are no titles in the future.