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April 02, 2013 , 12:42 PM by Steve Martin
This week it's a serious case of deja vu as George Fong made his way into the studio.
Way back in 2003 George was our first "resident expert" on the Techtalk segment. He stayed in that role until handing over to Scott Schrieke in 2009.
As well as running his own IT company, George is now the Vice President of the Australian Internet Society and has been looking into the Spamhaus Attacks last week that affected internet speeds.
If you missed Techtalk when it was on air, you can listen again here.
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The lowers are getting hard to find. I am glad I have some on reserve
The lowers are getting hard to find. I am glad I have some on reserve
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I saw that Gunsmoke arms had one for $85.
Might want to check in with jse surplus and see if their uppers are still in-stock . Their stripped a2 is $at $95 or stripped a3 $75 . Its either them or blackthorn products . I recently purchased from blackthorn and the parts I got were of good quality ( barrel and a2 upper completion kit) . They (Blackthorn ) will be back in office next monday .
JSE Surplus - AR15 Upper Receivers
upper receiver, A3, complete [AR-PA-14] - $90.00 :: AK Parts kits - Superb Products
is it possible to get any of these stripped lowers ? i just saw the add and would like to buy a few.
AR-15NUTT, this isn't a classifieds post, it is a post about vendors who may offer good deals on stripped lowers. If you want one, contact the vendor directly.
Hit your local gun stores that arent known for high pricing. My gun shop will let you prepay and get on a list. Their list isnt near as long on the online dealers.
Essentialarms.com The online price is wrong. They are $100 for regular finish and $105 with their tough coat.
It's time to pound the pavement kinda like what dsniper said .... most of the online places are out of stock and the people on gunbroker.com are raping people because of the shortage/crisis. I went to me favorite pawn shop today (the guy that does all transfers)and he had a few receivers in his safe (private stock).Since I deal with him so often he said he'd sell me one ( @ a reasonable price), I just never heard of the company so he told me to do some research and come back if i wanted one.....
So get to the shops and talk to anyone you're ever bought a trick bit from .......

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- NCVS' Crime Statistics Obscure A Clear Picture of Sexual Assault says the NSVRC
NCVS' Crime Statistics Obscure A Clear Picture of Sexual Assault says the NSVRC
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE June 19, 2001 Contact: Karen Baker 1-877-739-3895 Ext 101 or Jan Baily 1-888-772-7227 Ext 20 NCVS' CRIME STATISTICS OBSCURE A CLEAR PICTURE OF SEXUAL ASSAULT SAYS THE NSVRC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enola, PA
(June 19, 2001) Last week the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported a 15% drop in the violent crime victimization rate over the previous year. This composite figure reflects the rates of simple and aggravated assault, robbery, rape and sexual assault. The rate of Rape/Sexual Assault decreased by 29.4% for the same period. Karen Baker, Project Director for the National Sexual Violence Resource Center, said, "It is promising to see these figures moving downward, but we should be cautious about accepting them as clear indication of a decrease in sexual violence. One must look at the individual figures and consider the magnitude of long-term trends. The numbers of simple and aggravated assaults since 1994 declined more consistently and dramatically than did the number of Rape/Sexual Assaults." Last year, this same National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) reported that the overall rate decreased 10%, while the figure for Rape/Sexual Assault increased 13.3% and the rate of Rape increased 20%. According to Ms. Baker, "This year, the decrease in these categories appears so dramatic only because the same figures had actually increased the previous year. Compared to just two years prior, the decrease is less extreme."
Last month, the FBI announced preliminary UCR figures for 2000, indicating virtually no change in the crime rate, (a 0.1% increase). When comparing these FBI figures with NCVS findings, Barry Ruback, Professor of Crime, Law and Justice, and of Sociology at Penn State, asserts, "Such inconsistencies in the two reports raise questions about the validity of both. Year to year analysis of variations is incorrect and perhaps irresponsible." According to Baker "the overall victimization rate may be a useful picture of US crime in particular arenas, but as a composite figure it obscures much about sexual assault.
The anti-sexual violence movement has been concerned about using any single statistical report as a measure of sexual assault. The nature of this victimization includes forms that are often not captured in surveys and is characterized by a real hesitancy to report." To exemplify Baker added, "Approximately 34% of sexual assaults reported to law enforcement agencies deals with juveniles under age 12 and the NCVS only includes victims age 12 and older." In a recent paper, Ruback & Menard addressed the problem of UCR and NCVS data as it pertains to sexual assault. "Both measures are almost certainly incorrect, in that there is general consensus that all measures of sexual assault in the United States underestimates the true extent of the crime. (Koss, 1992, 1996: Tjaden & Thoennes, 1998)" Ruback asserts that "meaningful changes can be found by analyzing multiple data sources and reports together and looking for long term trends. Hospital admissions and rape crisis center data should be included in that analysis."


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We have at the helm the Raymarine C80 with a 2kw radar. You have the option of splitting the screen or overlaying which can be a great advantage as opposed to two seperate units. It is also linked below at the nav station redundatly to our laptop. I have no problem with Garmin or other units but chose the Raymarine due to my other instruments were also Raymarine and the Seatalk system was easy to integrate together.
As others have said I would think long and hard about doing the Cape.
Please note in my post that I qualified my preference for separate radar and plotters/depth/AIS. displays with the ideal that they both output those displays to a PC or laptop screen...where the helpful overlap function can be combined or overlaid. I do not object to the practice (although it can make a screen quite cluttered), but to the idea of having a single screen to access multiple and discrete devices, which I think is folly. Same with the display at the helm...make it a "remote" if you wish, to the nav screen in a protected place where you can also use paper charts. Otherwise you are stuck at the helm in sometimes poor conditions trying to deal with information on the screen plus information from the environment, like the sound of distant engines, breakers or hard to see nav lights atop rocks.
And then the helm display shorts out, and you are rummaging for a chart tube and a handheld GPS?
No thanks. Better to keep this stuff out of the way. A boat in no sense moves so fast that you need constant "live feeds" anyway, and if it's bad enough to actively helm, it's bad enough to have the entire crew up and working on the nav while you handle the wheel.
Again, to reiterate: software will accomplish on a laptop (or a flatscreen in the saloon, if you wish) exactly the same integration of radar, AIS and plotting as on a "marinized screen" that, if it goes, will leave you blind in the electronic sense. That's why I'll have a bunch of little displays, one 7" radar at the helm, and a PC screen velcro'd in place to show me details as needed. If the PC goes down, I still have all the elements in place, without the glitz.
We have the Raymarine C120 with a 4kw radar. We love it. Prior to this we were Garmin devotees, and there certainly is nothing wrong with Garmin. The Raymarine is very eash to use, and is very intuitive. Plus, having the radar and plotter integrated is a HUGE plus. I know others disagree and have expressed the view that integrated systems give you risk of knocking out multiple systems with one failure, but overlaying the radar, or even splitting your screen, really makes navigating a snap. I suspect I'll never go without this type of setup again (subject to further technological advances of course).
On the boat, I think condition and equipment is more important than brand for a coastal trip like the one you're contemplating. Many "lesser" builds are less suitable in large part because over time portions flex, rigging is not sufficiently stout, ports/hatches leak excessively, deck leaks due to poor bedding has caused delamination/rot of the deck coring, compression post failure, etc. If your boat is well maintained, the rig is in good shape, through hulls in good condition, rudder and rudder bearings, steering, etc. in good condition, you should be fine. Likewise, it's more important that you sail smart. The best built boat will have trouble if you go around Cape Hatteras in the wrong weather, but a Sunfish can make it in the right conditions.
camaraderie, no problem! I was sincere in my quest to discover if there was a structural or other deficiency in the Hunter. In the first post, I was not clear on the model of Hunter. I sincerely appreciate your candor since you thought I may be placing my family in undue risk of harm.
Thanks for the advice on the ICW options. The more I think about it, the more I lean toward your plan. Even if there is no real threat to the boat or crew, why beat 'em up with the chance of being scared or seasick or bored as you watch one point of land slowly drift by..............
Did that in a Nor'easter that moved down the coast to FL. Watched the lights of Miami on a northern track for more than 12 hours. No real danger, just the boat and crew taking a beating.
Cruisindad: I will take your suggestion and head to WM this weekend to play with the buttons and flashing lights! Normally the staff sees me hanging 'round the boring stuff comparing the price difference in buying line by the bag or the foot, this block or that cleat!
Thanks for the input.
Reb...my bad...I was thinking Legend 375 not Cherubini which are much better built and should be up to the task if well maintained/upgraded as yours sounds it is. 6 aboard for that trip should be interesting!
Just for your "alternate" thinking...pulling in at Beaufort and heading up the ICW to Norfolk will take 3 days. You can go out of Norfolk to Montauk and CT in 3 more days.
Your plans for the radar/chartplotter as a "nice to have" addition to your redundant "must have" equipment is exactly reflective of my own view.
I have used (considerably) both combo & overlay units and the non-combo. The overlay is an excellent, excellent function. Your two options to have both up (radar and chart) are: Buy two seperate monitors or split the screen. SPlitting the screen reduces the functional size of both and two monitors requires room and cost.
Also, by putting either the chart or the radar on overlay you my realize or see things you might not have before. These may be buoys you thought were boats or likewise.
I personally use the Raymarine E80 system, with a 2kw radome. It is a considerable improvement over the older RL series. I have no problems with Garmin either, but prefer Raymarine (probably because I accustomed to it). The interface of that product to the other accesories is VERY easy, and you can do everything from radar, chart, XTE, color cameras, to watch movies (or so I am told... I have not done the last two - no interest).
You should just go to West Marine and play around with their models a bit and see which on e you prefer. I no longer feel one is better than the other. It all comes down to which one you like better. I will say that programming the Raymarine quick-push buttons for custom screens is a great plus and a lot easier than scrolling through the pages of the Garmin... but the Garmins may have that functio ntoo (just not the models I have used).
Regarding your boat choice, I have heard that the Cherubini Hunters were built better than the others, but have no first hand experience with that model. My experience with the others was not pleasant, so we will leave at that.
Not to hijack my own thread (is that possible?), but I am interested in the opinion of the Hunter 37 cutter as a lightly built boat. I owned a 1991 Hunter Legend 375 and would most certainly agree that it was not an offshore capable vessel. However, the 1984 Cherubini Hunter cutter is a very different boat. Heavier constructed with more substantial glass, etc.
In addition (and there is no way you could have known), this boat has been upgraded in some of the area most commonly viewed as weak points of the general production boats: thru hulls fittings upgraded, portholes installed in place of plastic pretend windows, etc.
It has been my experience that most boats can take much more punishment than the crew. Boats are lost when the crew is too exhausted or demoralized to care about survival. I have always found it interesting when a crew abandons ship and is picked up by the Coast Guard only to have the vessel found adrift days later....
If you feel the Hunter 37 is truly unsafe for this voyage...I would much rather hear it now than to prove you correct later!
Thanks for the words of wisdom. I am still debating turning the Cape. It will depend on weather and other conditions such as the confidence of the crew, any mechanical problems, etc. I will not hesitate to bail out if necessary.
I will have a full set of paper charts, a handheld chartplotter with GPS and a handheld GPS only unit. The equipment I am planning on adding to the boat is to create another layer of safety without making it do or die on the function of the system.
As the old saying goes: A good skipper has the skill to get out of any situation he/she encounters; a Great skipper never has to demostrate such skill.
Not mine on the electronics. Just be careful out there...that is a lightly built boat for going well offshore and around Hatteras. Make SURE you can get good offshore forecasts and don't miss any. We lose boats bigger and better than yours every year due to not being vigilant on the changing conditions off the Hatteras area but t sounds as if you are experienced and have some good help along for the ride. Suggest Dodge's guide to SE US inlets if you need to bail out somewhere along the way.
I disagree about the need for separate units BTW since neither the radar or the chartplotter is an essential navigation device. What is essential is your GPS, your paper charts and your eyeballs! I used a combo radar/plotter for 6 years of cruising from Maine to Grenada and found the combo to be much easier to use and understand than my prior stand alone radar without plotter. There is the additional expense as well to think about.
Anyway...good luck with it all and yell if we can help.
Thanks for the information and advice. Not sure if I was clear but we are going outside and not up the ICW. Does that change any recommendations?
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French President Sarkozy has not hidden his desire to make aggressive moves in making his nation the key player in a new Mediettranean confederation. Germany reacted with displeasure at the news France had signed a new military deal with Libya to sell 12 Franco-German Tiger combat helicopters to the Gadhafi regime. German Chancellor Merkel has been upset since Sarkozy took office over his desire to establish France as the key European player in the Mediterranean region. The French arms deal with a nation noted for its dictatorial leadership and its past connections with terrorist organizations did not sit well with German leaders.
The agreement between the nations which led to joint efforts to build the new helicopter do not prevent either one from selling it to a third party which is apparently what Sarkozy has done. Merkel does not wish to push the issue to the point of creating a crisis with France. It is still unclear how far Sarkozy wants to push the idea of French leadership in other parts of the world.


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Hello Everyone!
Long time lurker, and first time poster. I've spent many hours strategizing the best way to tackle the paint for an ESB bucket. Just the first few weeks have been a learning experience in the prep work and mistakes that one may make in painting. I purchased one of ASOK's buckets, and I was incredibly happy with the transaction and correspondence! This bucket is more or less a trial in the process for myself in what others have put out before me, and have since discovered that recreating the "unintentional" errors of the ESB helmet more or less turns out to be an interpretation of what we see. In another life, I had an artistic background with an attention to detail, and many mediums including: Oil and acrylic paints, markers, ink, charcoal, and pencil. This is quite
a deviation from the majority of the population in my current profession. My hats off to those of you who have replicated this thing to every exacting detail of the original! I'm fortunate to have a hobby shop around the corner with the full library of Humbrol paints, and this forum to reference to.
My goals for this helmet are to:
- Learn the nuances of the color mixing, to create a likeness of the original helmet.
- To experiment with the methods and mediums within the painting process.
- Spend a lot of money on paint, mediums, and equipment to complete :)
I finished my prep work, to which I didn't take pictures (I appologize), about 3 weeks ago on the weekend. All went smoothly, but I quickly noticed some deformation in the helmet following the prep work and leaving the visor area, without a visor. I purchased a 3mm visor on amazon (outlined in another thread), and within 24 hours just after installing the visor, the shape went back to normal without any manipulation.
Following the prep work, I wanted to tackle the back panels first. I layed the silver, then the grey, then the beige.... When removing the mask, I started to also lift the grey layer in the process, creating something that was not reminicent of the original. I was then able to peel off all of my beige and grey layers with a knife, resanded, and picked the ears to start off with. To prevent this in the future, I spray a light coat of testors gloss coat on each layer to prevent the peeling back, and give the masking fluid less to grip to. So far, this has worked!
Following Jayvee's, TF's threads, and Welshwarrior's youtube videos, I had a good idea of where to start:
- Grey 28 (although appeared a bit beige following the process)
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- Mask + white 34 (used Tamiya 18mm and 6mm masking tape for this, cutting the curves where needed).
- Used "Micro Mask" for all masking and had no issues here. I'm curious to try out other masking fluids, but the local shop has every humbrol product but maskoll.
- All layers were buffed with 0000 steel wool between applications.
Here's where I'm at now:
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Kabul, Afghanistan • Hopes dimmed for talks aimed at ending the Afghan war when an angry President Hamid Karzai on Wednesday suspended security negotiations with the U.S. and scuttled a peace delegation to the Taliban, sending American officials scrambling to preserve the possibility of dialogue with the militants.
What provoked the mercurial Karzai and infuriated many other Afghans was a move by the Taliban to cast their new office in the Gulf nation of Qatar as a rival embassy. The Taliban held a ribbon-cutting ceremony Tuesday in which they hoisted their flag and a banner with the name they used while in power more than a decade ago: "Political Office of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan."
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with Karzai on the phone, telling him that his concerns were justified and that he would work to resolve the issue.
An American official, speaking anonymously, said he still expects to have the first public meeting with Taliban representatives in the next few days in Qatar but that no exact meeting date has been set.
Nevertheless, the militants' attempt at a publicity coup clearly played to Karzai's longstanding distrust of both the Taliban and the United States, who had announced Tuesday that they would pursue negotiations in the Qatari capital of Doha at least initially without the Afghan government.
It may have also given Karzai an excuse to try to head off the Doha talks, which he probably agreed to support only reluctantly and under U.S. pressure. Karzai has for years opposed talks outside Afghanistan dominated or directed by the U.S. The Taliban, on the other hand, have never really wanted to negotiate with Karzai, preferring to talk directly with the United States.
"To have this whole ceremony, televised worldwide, without a single mention of the Afghan government having a role in whatever process is going to happen ... they [Karzai and his peace delegation] suddenly realized, basically they weren't out in front, they didn't feature at all," said Kabul-based analyst Martine van Bijlert.


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EDWARDSVILLE, Ill. (GreenBayPhoenix.com) - After having the weather patterns of Hurricane Isaac affect its schedule last weekend at the Florida Gulf Coast Tournament, the Green Bay (1-3-0) women's soccer team battled remnants of Isaac on Friday night as it picked up its first win of the season with a 1-0 victory over Northern Iowa following a two-hour weather delay. The game was the first contest of the SIU Edwardsville Tournament.
"This was a well-deserved first win on a rain-soaked night," said head coach Trevor Warren. "We were the better team during the run of play and had to deal with UNI's dangerous set plays. It was a great goal to win the game and I'm proud of our team's performance."
The lone goal of the contest came in the 76th minute when junior Ahna Logan (Roseville, Minn.) found senior Megan Braatz (Waukesha, Wis.) on a cross pass from the left side for the 1-0 lead.
Green Bay outshot Northern Iowa 8-5 in the contest with Logan and sophomore Chandra Eigenberger (Green Bay, Wis.) leading the way with two shots each, both coming in the first half of play.
Four other Phoenix players, including Sydney Born (Edina, Minn.) Emily Friedl (Kenosha, Wis.) Elise Olson (Madison, Wis.) and Braatz also each added a shot for the Phoenix in the contest.
Sophomore goalkeeper Katy Pilarzyk (Madison, Wis.) made three saves for Green Bay in the net as it also had three cornerkicks in the game.
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It should come as no surprise that regulators and organizations alike struggle to set and enforce guidelines for social media activity. It's not just that the rise of social media is rapidly transforming the way we interact with people, customers, and brands; but also how many ways this transformation is happening.
The core issue is that social media alters the way we as individuals share who we are, merging our roles as people, professionals, and consumers. As we share more of ourselves on a growing number of social networks, questions quickly surface:
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DIY: ATF change GM A5S-390R
At 85K on the odometer I decided to service my transmission, id est change oil and filter.
I was following this wonderful DIY by james2538 from E46f:
I took my own pictures and did the write-up below. Later I'll either update this thread or do a separate DIY on how to put the car on 4 jack stands.
My 02 325i is equipped with GM transmission, A5S 390R-ZP in the BMW nomenclature or 5L40E in the GM nomenclature. The pan has a blue sticker with the oil part #: 83220024359 which is Texaco ETL 8072B oil. I decided to use the original type of oil and did not regret it and let me explain why. First of all I need to say that getting hold of ETL 8072B oil is getting more and more difficult since dealerships do not carry it any more because it has been replaced with Dexron VI oil. Some dealerships still have some of 8072B in stock though. The closest to me in St. Louis is Plaza Motors and they had about 9 litres left in stock, $ 9,11 per half litre. Mark, the parts guy brought the 25 L container to the counter (and I had a chance to make sure the big container had the right label "Texaco ETL 8072B" and the correct part #) and sold me 6 litres by pouring it into my own containers (I had three 2L containers with me). No wonder they do not recommend mixing this oil with other types! The color of this oil is dark brown with a tint of gold and not red like most of the ATF I've seen before. The viscosity of it looked to me thicker than the Dex fluid and more like that of motor oil. Mark and me compared this oil and GM Dexron VI at the sales counter and they did look like 2 different types of fluid based on visual observation of color and viscosity. That's all I base my opinion on, I have neither time nor interest to investigate into chemical composition of BMW oil versus other ATF. I do not regret buying the original, more expensive oil for the peace of mind. If my transmission fails some time in the future at least I'll know it's not because of the wrong fluid in it.
The evening before starting on the process of ATF change I put the car on 4 jack stands. I put the front wheels on ramps and jacked up the rear under the U-brace in front of the differential. Put the jack stands under the rear jack points and lowered the rear of the car onto the jack stands. Then I jacked the front of the car up under the right front point of the "frame rail" and put 2 jack stands under the front jack points and lowered the front.
First thing to do was to unscrew the fill plug. I used a T-45 socket and an 8mm combination wrench. The torque of this plug is 15 ft. lb (20nm), so using the open end was not enough to loosen it up, it kept coming off the torx bit. But I was successful with using the box end of the wrench inserted onto the torx bit and an extension for the additional leverage. The drain plug (T-40) presented no problem to unscrew, so in 10 minutes the oil was partially drained. Some still remained in the pan and inside the filter. At this point I put the drain plug back in and torqued it to 15 lb. ft. The next step was to remove the pan (unscrew all the bolts using a 10mm socket and pry it with the flat screwdriver if it's stuck), let all the remaining oil drip into the pan, remove the filter by pulling down on it with both hands, drain the oil in the pan and inside the filter into the drain container for the final estimate of the amount of evacuated oil. A note on the condition of the drained oil. The old oil was not completely black as many report. Definitely looked like a used oil after 85K but still retained some of its golden brownish color. If you compare it to a bright red AFT like Dex III or VI, it does look bad, but comparing it to fresh 8072B the difference is not that dramatic. I'm not sure about lifetime, but I got the impression it could easily last till 100K when BMW recommends it to be changed.
The amount of oil I was able to evacuate is as follows. The car was absolutely cold when I was doing the procedure. About 1.5 L drained after opening the fill plug. About 2.5 L came out with the drain plug removed. That's 4 liters. 1 litre was in the pan after I dropped it and waited till all the oil dripped into it from the filter. That's 5 litres. The old filter still contained about 0.25 L of oil when I removed it and tilted in the drain container. So the total amount was 5.25 L of oil.
The pan needs to be cleaned thoroughly. Mine did not look awful after 85K but still needed a good cleaning job, especially around the magnet. I used paper towels and a rag. When I removed the old gasket there was some rubber stuck to the edge of the pan. I removed it with some brake cleaner and then wiped dry with a rag. The idea is to not introduce any debris, lint, etc into the transmission.
It's time to replace the gasket lubing it with some ATF and start assembling everything back together. First goes in the new filter. When the old one came out the orange sealing ring is likely to have remained stuck in the transmission in which case it needs to be pried with a screwdriver, removed and discarded. With the new filter in place reattach the pan using new bolts. The torque of the bolts is 8 ft. lb, so there is hardly any need for a torque wrench but I did return to each bolt at least 3 times to make sure everything was tight.
Filling the transmission with new oil. The amount of oil I used to fill the transmission was 5.5 L, but the actual amount that came in was about the same as I drained 5.25 L. This is due to the fact that no matter how careful you are during the filling process, there will be some spillage.
This is how my filling process looked like. 5.25 L of oil came out. The transmission was still cold when I started pumping the fresh fluid in. I filled my pump bottle with a pre-measured amount of 2 litres of new fluid at a time. 4 litres came in and it began overflowing. Some spillage occurred at this point. I screwed the fill plug back in (hand tight), started the car and shifted through the gears 5 times to let the oil get sucked into the transmission from the pan. In about 5-10 minutes the pan became warm to the touch. I opened the fill plug and nothing came out (as I expected, remember 5.25 L came out and only 4 L came in so far). I started pumping the oil again. Taking into consideration the amount spilled and the amount that would be spilled when it overflows this time I poured 1.5 L in my pump bottle instead of 1.25 L. The pan was becoming a little bit warmer but still far from hot, so I was still good. I was right in my estimate of the amount of oil spilled because when I was almost done with my bottle filled with 1.5 L it started overflowing and I put the fill plug back and tightened it really good using the extension on my 8mm combination wrench for additional leverage. That's it. Not a difficult but messy project.
If there is a tricky part about this DIY, that definitely would be to be able to estimate accurately the amount of oil spilled during the filling process. Provided the transmission never leaked and still has the original (filled at the factory) amount of fluid, the same amount needs to filled into it as drained. When the transmission is at the right temperature and the oil overflows, it's the indicator it's ready to be plugged up. However when it happens you still want to be sure the amount filled is the same the amount drained, provided last time it was filled at the factory. Such a simple thing as a transmission dip stick would eliminate the need for any guess work, but alas.
After I'm done with this DIY I've come to a couple of conclusions for myself. First, now I do not share the opinion that some people have that the information BMW gives us on the type of oil to use and its changing interval is a marketing conspiracy. To me ETL 8072B did look different than the red colored Dexron ATF. So I personally would not mix it with Dexron unless I know how to displace all the oil to the last drop and replace it with a different type. And, second, regarding the changing interval, judging by the condition of the drained oil that still remained some of its original color, I'd say it is good enough at least till 100K without a change.
EDIT: Ok, after reading this diy at least one person was confused as to when you need to put the fill plug back in. I agree I should have made this point clearer in the write-up. So here we go. The transmission is at the operating temperature (30 50 Cº) and you are doing the final fill. As soon as it starts overflowing you are done and need to put the fill plug back in. Yes, there will be some oil spilling out, making a mess. That's fine. It means you've reached the correct level providing the temperature is still between 30 and 50 Cº. My advice is to have the drain pan ready and fill plug handy when overflowing happens. It took me a little while to get everything together so I plugged it up when the overflow was reduced to dripping. To me it seems better to do it when the oil is still trickling rather then dripping out. Also when the oil started overflowing I still had some a small amount of ATF that had to (according to my calculations) go in. So I kept on pumping for a little longer despite the fact that it was already overflowing and then when all ATF was used I put the fill plug in.
Hope this edit helps to clarify this point.
Great DIY, Thanks.
Props on doing this yourself and buying the proper OEM fluid, I really dig that
Good job on finally getting all your research done and giving it a go. I know you have been investigating fluids for quite some time now.
Nice write up as well:thumbup:.
The magnets seem to indicate your tranny has faired well so far in its life. How many miles did you say? EDIT: Oh i saw in one of your pics 85K The collected metal on mine looked very similar to your pictures when I did it at 60k.
Count yourself lucky on the ease of getting to the fill plug. Us XI folks need to drop the front driveshaft just to remove that sucker...:mad:. On the bright side once its down its then possible to get a torque wrench on it :D
Wow great job! Nice pictures of the diy
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Just for reference I'll post up some of the information I found when researching whether Dexron VI was now appropriate for the GM 5L40E tranny. As some may have already discovered, Cadillac uses the 5L40E transmission in some of the 1999-? CTS models and GM says Dexron VI is now appropriate for them as it is backwards compatible with the Dexron III original fill.
What many folks dont know is that just because GM chose the same name for the BMW/CTS transmissions (5L40E) doesnt mean that they are the exact same transmission. Refer to the attachments for the specific examples.
What I was never able to conclude with taking the specific differences into account is whether the Dex VI would then indeed be recomended by GM for the BMW 5L40E. More than likely it would be just fine (As BMW has superceded the original ETL-8072 part # with a Dexron VI part #) but would it be preferred to the original fill? That is the question.*Note: I ended up going with the Castrol Import Multivehichle ATF for my fill and drain refill cycles as it meets the ETL-8072b spec.
Obviously we can obsess about this to no end but as Starless has shown -- For peice of mind you can not go wrong with what was put in there originally.
The next question will be what do for peice of mind when we can no longer get the original fill anywhere?
Nice DIY!
The Amsoil ATF meets those specs. ETL-7045E, ETL-8072B & N402
Amsoil ATF
Great stuff! Really nice DIY's you do man!
I guess the only thing you forgot was the post op drive, how does it feel?
Excellent DIY and you couldn't have posted it at better time for me. I to have the same tranny in an '03 325i and have been trying to decide what fluid to use for the change. It's not a cost issue with me, I just want to use the right fluid. I have so far been unable to find the original fluid anywhere. Tischer BMW lists the new part number (83220397114) that has apparently superseded 83220024359, but that is Dexron VI, not the original fluid. I don't have anyway of removing all of it, so I'd prefer to go back with exactly what's in it. Does anyone have an online source for the 83220024359 fluid?
Awesome write up (as usual), Alex....thanks for sharing ....
($9.11 per half-liter....Oy....I could get some good quality bourbon for that price :-)
Also available in Fuchs and Total.
very nice write up.many thanks
Great write-up Starless! Good thing I have a manual trans and it's slightly easier!
Thank you everybody for positive reviews!
If you search both of those oils you'll see they meet other specs too. It's just not noted on the site. The Fuchs number is TITAN ATF 3353 if you'd like to research it.
The first one is FUCHS TITAN AFT 6000 SL, which is a GM approved Dexron VI. Here is the information the manufacturer lists on it:
They claim it as a replacement for the following BMW part #s:
There is no mention of part # 83 22 0 024 359 or ETL-8072B. I found a data sheet at:
But it doesn't list the technical data values.
I can not find any info on the other one, Total Fluidmatic G6. Total's website lists a Totalmatic G6 Syn though, which is another Dexron VI. But it's datasheet doesn't list it as compatible with the ETL-8072B spec either.
Fuchs Titan ATF 3353 is Dexron III and is listed as compatible with the following BMW part numbers:
No mention of ETL-8072B that I see though.
Awesome write-up. I have 45k on my car and plan to tackle this project soon. Thanks,
EDIT: Looking at eeuroparts.com, I see there are two brands for the kit: Meisterstatz and Elring ($50 and $30, respectively). Any thoughts on either? I know GCoop and Starless have both used the Meisterstatz kit with no problems.
Alex. Your DIY is very concise and focused on doing the job right. Any post-DIY reviews, or updates? Do you think this DIY made a difference?
Great write up! Your DIY his mirrored my experience changing the tranny fluid on my 99 323i (109k miles) and recent postings on fluid changes by a newbie to BMW's. I wasn't able to properly measure amount of the fluid that came out, but ended up adding almost 6 quarts including spillage so that is pretty close to the 5.5 litres that you added. I didn't use a torque wrench either, I started to but it seemed even at the low setting that I might over tighten the bolts so I used a 3/8 wratchet and "choked up" on the handle. No leaks now 2 weeks after the fluid change. I used Redline D4 ATF, it meets all BMW specs as listed.
You mentioned doing a write up on lifting the vehicle and placing it on jack stands. I noticed that the front of the vehicle had two hard plastic pads for jack stand placement, yet the rear didn't. Are mine missing or does only the front have these pads due to the greater weight up front (engine, tranny) compared to the aft end of the vehicle?
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Wow...while I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, that last post sounded ...well... arrogant and insulting, not to mention to mention somewhat off topic. Bjorn, you aren't channeling George Imarie, are you?? :roll:
I understand.I'll pass on even attempting to ask what "under management" means.This actually is a great lesson in so many areas.3) The idea that we can do better than nature. This means ripping out all the bees now in attempts to "save" them. And then in a few years when a few are left to be found, ripping those out and labeling them as survivors and assuming they are better than what we originally ripped out and kept ourselves.History....you got to love it! Afterall, we keep repeating it.
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So, dead bees are better than live managed bees! I was wondering how that would all work out. If we just let them all die off we'll have stronger bees for the future. I just want one fine point of explanation; how do dead bees evolve Varroa resistance? I feel so dumb! Duh! :-D
I would hate for others to read this and somehow get the idea that trapping out feral colonies to collect older field bees was the norm in the bee industry. If a tree needs removed, then that is one thing. But to constantly go out and trap feral colonies to the point the original colony dies, all in attempts to add field bees to existing managed hives, is somewhat questionable. Mites or no mites, someone explain to me WHY you think this is a good idea?


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Ive done some of my best metal fabbing work over the years on my old home made anvil and the big ol piece of pipe concreted in the ground in front of shop is perfect for forming curves in flat pieces of tin.
Ive actually got an English wheel sitting in the corner that collects dust while Im always using that old pipe to bend things against,as soon as wife decides where she put my picture discs Ill post some pics of the hand made body panels on my kids 29 coupe body.
I had to make a panel for the other side too in about the same place just not as big. And yeah I have about a 2"X2" place on both inner rockers I will have to address as well. There is a brace between the inner and outer rocker in that area that apparently catches dirt and water causing the rust out. But I can't complain, this is as solid of a trifive as I have ever worked on. The owner bought the car in 67, drove it for a few years and got drafted to Vietnam. He parked it in a barn and it sat there until a month ago when he decided to restore it. It only had rust in the rockers and floor pans. We replaced the left quarter due to a bad repair on a previous accident. It is coming along nicely though. I'm glad to finally have it on the rotiserrie that is the best thing anyone has ever invented
|great work. Crazy thing, I just did a patch in the SAME area and it was also on a 55 Chevy but it didn't have to go to the flange. I just held it up and hammered it into the old metal with a plastic mallet. I guess that bracing inside the rocker that caused the rust on the 55 I'm working on caused the rust on yours too. Did it get a portion of your inner rocker too? It got a little area of the inner on the one I'm working on.
I had to make make a few patch panels for a 55 chevy I am working on so I figured I would share a few pictures of how it can be done with minimal tools. All I used to make this patch for the right side outer rocker was:mig welder, bench vise, body hammer, tin snips, electric cut off grinder with a 3" wheel, and a few pairs of vise grips. I used a scribe but a fine point marker would work too. Now mind you this was aimed at the less experienced and toward the home garage, or less equipped shop. I know this is not the best tools for the job or the faster way of making this repair, but I wanted to show that it doesn't require a lot of expensive tools to do this. I apologize in advance, I forgot to take pictures after I got the piece cut out and when I finished welding before grinding, but I think it will still get my point across. Hope it may help someone.
the vise with a few pieces of angle iron for a make shift metal brake.
The place to be repaired
The first bend was a 90 degree flange to match the pinch weld and give a starting point to clamp
making a few final bends at the "metal brake"
The final results
final fit testing on a good piece of the rocker
after welding and grinding, ready for a light skim coat of filler to take care of any imperfections
Again I am not saying this is the only way to do this or the best way to make a panel, but I wanted to show it could be done with minimal tools and a little out of the box thinking if someone doesn't have a lot of tools. Again hope this helps someone. Best of luck to you all
|also helps to overlap your welds once you get a few tacks all around and it's flush everywhere. The old weld will dissipate heat and give you a generally cleaner outcome and less areas you missed.
An accurately positioned patch panel, a metal scribe, and set of quality tin snips should give exellent results on most shapes.
|Bondo is for fine tuning,not sculpting body panels!
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"Daniel C", excellent work and great advice..."79bird", look at those images over and over again, this is one case where a picture is worth a more than a thousand words...typing or spoken.
Kelly, also great advice...practice on scrap metal before you start welding on the body, 79bird, yes, have the fellow that you borrowed the welder from to show you how and get tips from him. Even when I get a new welder or use a different welder I don't just go welding, I try it on a piece of scrap, every welder is different.
And "bigdog7373" Thanks for reiterating your feelings on having a vehicle full of filler, a person can never get enough reinforcement when it comes to doing it right.
Thanks All
so true. I have learned from the start to cut rectangles/squares but the other day I had to fabricate a patch for a quarter that someone else cut out. It was cut out like a Nike Swoosh logo. It was pretty difficult to trim up so I stopped myself from perfecting it while holding it up to the hole so I left it a tad long and just started tacking and shaving as I go. the weird shape made it a nightmare to cut and match.
edit: I guess I should note in my original post when I said "complex shapes" of the patch I'm talking about the contours of that area, not how you decide to cut it out. I always try to cut it out the same, as a rectangle or square, with slightly round edges.
|Id cut the the rust out in shapes that are easy to work with, even if that means you take some good metal with it. It's much easier to cut out a rectangle and weld it in place than it is to have curves and circles and stuff.
After reading my post I should clarify myself. The fillers I prefer recommend (z grip and rage) were not being recommended to repair the rust. Those are for finishing after the rust has been cut out and repaired with good metal. Filler is not a bad thing and will not cause any problems if the surface is prepared correctly and clean and if the filler is not too thick. I keep filler to a maximum thickness of 1/8". If it needs to be thicker than that you need to get the hammers and dollies out.
there's some real simple ways to cut out a patch and make a new patch. One way is to cut it out being mindful it comes out in one piece. Then file off the crap hanging off the edges, then you can lay it on top of new metal and trace it with a sharpie. The width of the tip of the sharpie makes up for the metal cut away with a cut off wheel. If you use a mini air saw to cut out the bad metal than the width of the tip of the sharpie may be too much and you'll be doing a lot of shaving to get it to fit. Anyhow, you then cut out your new patch and aim your cut off wheel on the side of the sharpie mark that leaves you MORE metal. Last, you bring the patch up to the hole and figure out where it needs to be shaved down and shave accordingly.
If the shape is pretty complex, measure how big your patch needs to be, lay it on top and hammer it into shape directly over the old rusted area(metal still intact), then lay it on top where it needs to be and scribe around it, and again cut on the side of the scribe that leaves you the most metal. The patch should be near perfect for the hole. If the complex shape is big then use self tapping screws and screw the patch in before hammering it into shape.
I'm doing rust repair on my car now and there's no way in hell I'm using any bondo. The previous owner sold me the car saying he "fixed all the rust" which i was very happy about. After sanding it down i found out that this thing must have 5 gallons of bondo on it. He didn't replace any metal! Just bondo! I was furious. Do it right the first time. The rust will come back if you don't cut it out.
You can use an angle grinder for bigger areas. I use a dremel with a cutting bit for small areas. Some guys use a plasma cutter but I'd worry about warping the metal. I guess in small areas it would be ok.
|I want to thank ALL of you guys for your help! I am really looking forward to doing this project! Thanks again! I will keep you all posted on the status!
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a situation in which a voter has made more votes than the number allowed according to the rules of an election
'In the second phase, USA TODAY and The Miami Herald joined with five other newspapers to examine more than 110,000 overvotes – ballots that were disqualified because they registered more than one presidential vote when run through vote-counting machines.'USA Today 11th May 2001
'Comelec legal chief Ferdinand Rafanan also said voters should not overvote or voting more than is necessary. For instance, if one is voting for the President, the voter should only shade one oval opposite the candidate he's voting for.'Inquirer.net 9th February 2010
The result of the United States presidential election will represent the climax of many months of speculation about whether America's first black president will be elected for a second term of office. Anyone who has strong feelings about the results of this, or indeed any, election will be keen to cast their vote and must be careful not to jeopardize its validity by unintentionally submitting an overvote.
overvotes generally only occur in voting systems based on paper – either punch cards or ballot slips which are manually counted or optically scanned
An overvote occurs when a voter, either accidentally or because they haven't understood the rules, marks their ballot paper in such a way that they've voted for more candidates than the number they're permitted to vote for in relation to a particular office. This has significant consequences, resulting in that person's ballot paper being deemed invalid and effectively cancelling their vote. Electronic voting systems usually have mechanisms in place which make it impossible to overvote, and so overvotes generally only occur in voting systems based on paper – either punch cards or ballot slips which are manually counted or optically scanned.
The concept of an overvote was of particular significance in the controversial presidential ballots which took place in Florida in November 2000. The results proved highly contentious in relation to the narrow margins by which former President George Bush defeated Democrat Al Gore. The vote was subjected to a recount which took centre stage in the election, it being argued that voter mistakes – such as incorrectly-punched voting cards (resulting in little pieces of paper famously described as hanging/pregnant chads) and overvotes – had significantly, and perhaps unfairly, influenced the outcome.
The word overvote is used both as a verb and a countable noun to refer respectively to the action of voting incorrectly or an instance of doing so. It is mainly used in American English, becoming more widely recognized after the recount controversy associated with the 2000 presidential election. The word actually made its first appearance in English long before this however, originally functioning as a synonym of outvote (to defeat someone by winning more votes), which later became obsolete.
Overvote is of course formed by affixation of the prefix over- in its sense of 'too much' (compare overheat, overreaction). Correspondingly, overvote also has an antonym undervote, where under- means 'not enough' (compare underestimate, undernourished). The word undervote, also used as a countable noun or verb, therefore refers to the situation of someone voting for fewer candidates than the number they are permitted to vote for in relation to a particular office. Unlike an overvote however, an undervote does not usually result in a cancelled vote, and is in fact considered a voter's right. This means that instructions on ballot papers often use wordings such as 'Vote for no more than three candidates', giving the voter the option to vote for one, two or a maximum of three different candidates. An undervote does of course become invalid if it relates to a single choice election.
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HERE'S a thread on the Melling oil pumps.
The "Select" pumps are recommended by Melling for use in solid motor mount and/or high performance apps, whatever that's supposed to mean. To be safe, use the Select line.
Melling supplies their castings to others, so the problem is not just Melling-branded pumps. Other pumps to watch out for:
Melling M55
Melling M55A
Melling M55HV
Sealed Power 224-4143
Moroso 22100
Moroso 22135
Canton #21-500
The sheet below is what's supplied w/the standard-type pumps:
Melling Select Oil Pump Application
Hi I just started another SBC 383 build to day,its for fast road use and some light competition , this time in a volve 240 . So my question is which Melling select oil pump should I use ,as I was unsure which one to use ,and with the distance from me to Summit, I bought a selection of oil pumps, even a standard m55.The Select are 10522 and 10522 C. What attracted me to these pumps was the pick up (Canton20-021) bolts on and is designed to suit the Canton oil pan. ( 15-T 242 is that part number),So The pick up clearence is manufactured for me,
So which pump would be best for fairly high RPM and occasional Competition use 10552 10552 C or even the M55 for which I also have a press fit pick up.?Secondly . does it matter if these pumps have PM gears or steel gears ?. Somestimes the internet can confuse things with too much information , which is what I got when I Googled the subject.Ok my engine building shed is not nascar standards LOL. But its dry and clean
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on the comment of stick welding having better penetration than MIG. It is true that 6010 or 6011 has the best penetration, but there are very few "amatuer" welders with the skill and experience to make good welds with this rod. This is also true of most people who think a few passes with a MIG gun makes them an expert. While it is possible to make a good looking weld with MIG, lots of times there will be lack of penetration on one side of the weld, and without experience, it is not easy to see! When you have the experience(I have over 12,000 hrs of welding MIG) a wire welder will handle anything from 20 gauge to 3/4" plate. There is no easy way to be an expert welder. It, like most things takes a lot of experience, and if you are lucky, someone to show you what is right and wrong.
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Model "T" coil?
The HF units are based on the tesla coils. This is a coupling coil that allows the HF to couple with hot lead of the welder but it is not directly connected, I guess by induction. The Sears unit is using 3500 volts and the amperage is measured in milliamps. You could make a coupling coil or buy one from a welding supply co? car coil might be a slight hazard as ignition coils are high tension. Might get bit (shocked) allot more than you would like to. The HF unit I have is a very low amperage, you can barely feel it sometimes and that is if you put your finger directly in the arc of only the HF unit with out the welder turned on. This unit will jump about 1/4" to 3/8". Hey man, If you try it with coil and it works, let us all know!! It would be a cheap way to go and there could be thousands of old welders turned into TIG units for little cash. Good luck, I hope you experiment with it and get it working
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|I can't help but think that you could adapt a "Model T Ford spark coil (remember those) to generate the high voltage to initiate the arc on a normal stick arc welder. The welder transformer would probably appear a high impedance to the spark coil due to its high inductance, so you could capacitively couple the HV in parallel to the basic welder. The only tricky part would be to avoid breaking down the insulation of the basic welder with the HV. Spark coils are cheap tho.. and the Model T coils have their own vibrator built in. I haven't seen one for years on the market, but i'll bet that one of the antique auto parts places could turn one up. As i recall..the basic Model T had 4 of them per car..one per cylinder. Another option would be to put a home made transformer in series with the 'hot' lead from the stick arc machine (like the Sears adapter does) - and then couple the coil HV output into that. I think i'd use a series resistor (like a spark plug resistor) in series with the coil to limit output current. You can get across a ford coil directly..but it stings a bit.. (i've done it accidently while it was running).. Good Luck.. TH
A thousand is a little steep for me too. Thanks for the replies.
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Do you know if Sears still sells the TIG conversion kit? Can they be run on my AC stick welder or is AC/DC required? Sounds like a more economical way for us low budget guys to get TIG in the shop.
See preceeding post. U see..if you hang on long enough, someone knowledgable comes in. I checked my HF metal box and there is no identification on it (of course). I even found one of the cardboard shipping boxes and same thing..only Sears was mentioned. And yes, i have only an ac stick arc i'm using it on - no DC here sadly. Interestingly enough, the price quoted ~$300 is not too different from what i paid for it new, however that was in 1980 or so dollars (they were somewhat bigger then).
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The high frequency arc stabilzer sears sold was manufactured by Century welders. Lincoln bought Century in October 2003 from Clores automotive. I called lincoln inquiring about the Century HF unit and was told Century quit manufacturing the HF unit 2 or 3 years ago. You might watch ebay as they occasionally have them, I got mine from an ebay auction and paid $300.00 for unit, regulator and tig torch. You might also check around the larger pawn shops in your area. Miller sells a stand alone HF units but they are about $1,000.00. That was a little steep for me. Hope this helps
|I haven't used one, but I belong to another board where a couple of the guys have them. They say they are pretty good. Maybe not the quality of a Lincoln or a Miller, but for hobby use, more than adequate. The tool place near me has them with the cart and the MIG kit for like $450 or so. Not a bad deal for the whole deal. I've seen them have them cheaper if you catch them on sale too.
Anyone had any experience with Clarke Welders? I see Eastwood has them and there is a local tool supply place where I can get the 130 at a good discount.
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Do you know if Sears still sells the TIG conversion kit? Can they be run on my AC stick welder or is AC/DC required? Sounds like a more economical way for us low budget guys to get TIG in the shop.
I don't know. I bought it about 12 yrs ago as i recall.. It amounted to a spark gap RF source (son't use if bowl games are on the tv..your neighbors will kill you..) , as well as a regulator, hose, and electrode holder that would clamp in the regular stick arc cable. I got tired of having 2 seperate boxes, so i took it apart and built contents of box into my sears stick arc machine. Added extra electrode jack to outside. Basically it puts a couple of turn high current winding on a toroid transformer in series with your electrode..to couple the high freq in to start the acc. I'll check and see if i can find it in their tool catalog. If not.. the manufacturer must be around somewhere.. It wouldn't be that hard to build up from scratch. A single frequency RF source would be more elegant. I'll see what i can find out.. i still have the box somewhere..might have mfg name on it..Lemme get bact 2 u on that..
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Awhile ago I found an excuse to finally but the mig machine I'd wanted.
Found a way to convert it to tig, just
don't have high frequency to do aluminum, but the hi freq is available
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My sons and I are beginners. They want to weld tube frames so we bought a Miller 180 SD TIG welder.
I am in the process of running 100 amp to my car garage. Since the house is rented I just split the service and put in a meter for billing purposes.
Need to find someone local to help me learn how to TIG weld. I understand I can also stick weld with this unit.
Anyone know anything about TIG welding or have any suggestions?
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I bought a tig attachment for a Sears sold stick arc welder years ago. My first project was repairing a cracked alum snowblower engine i'd bought at a govt auction ( I wondered why it went so cheap!). The tig kit cost about $300, new engine was $800. After about 30 minutes of fooling around with alum filler rod and gas pressure i'd fixed the substantial crack - AND built ribs inside the crankcase cover to prevent further cracking. It's about 12 to 15 yrs later..engine still runs fine - no further cracking or problems of any kind. Paid for tig kit with first job. Get some scrap and practice is my advice. IF you do not demand absolutely perfect appearance in the beads, reliable welds are obtainable. I"ve fixed numerous items since, including a magnesium chain saw. (it caught fire when i removed the tig head before it cooled enough not to ignite..*g*.. i put it out with the argon, and filled in the little place that had burned. Startled my customer though! One way to light up your shop. Take care.. TH
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ok 5 days on these bad boys so far, been really busy lately to ride much.
Lots of reviews say omg these are the most comfortable boots ever right out of the box. Bull f-ing shit. These were hands down the most painful boots ever. The liner has built in J-bars unlike the ions which are velcro on. I always removed the inside Jbar cause it pokes the crap out of my ankle bone, but there is no way to do that. So first day on the hill I suffered. Pain was so bad I was screaming and kicking the boots as hard as I could, lacing and relacing several times a run. It ruined the day of riding for me as I wanted to cut my feet off by the end since there were SO many pressure points.
Oddly enough when I wore them around the house i never felt them. But once you get to flexing these boots and riding in them..dam. The stiff plastic shell doesn't help. I should have heat moulded them right from the start.
Anyways after the 4th day they started to feel quite a bit better, I started wearing them on the drive to the hill which helped. Now they fit pretty well, I can make it down the hill without much discomfort. the one big thing I notice is immediately the toe box area has packed out fast, there is a lot of room to wiggle my toes now. I noticed that on the ions as well. Might be a good or bad thing.
Heel lift, I would rate these as average only. Despite the painful J bars they don't really hold your heel that well. There's a bit of lift even if you cinch down the inner lace really tight. The rad pads are stupid. They just dig into your shin and create a pressure point, I don't see how they help at all or why they're even there.
Other negatives, the weird 2 piece plate thingy doesn't play well with my cartels. The overlap is right where the ankle strap grabs, so you have this edge on edge thing going on that I can tell will wear both the binding and the boot fast. This isn't a problem with CO2's or diode straps though cause they are much wider.
Anyways onto the good stuff. The boots are freakin responsive. They are quite stiff. I can really crush my board over on edge with these things.
The vibram soles are really good quality, grippy in the snow and they have this shock absorbing gummy layer in between.
So bottom line, I didn't pay for these boots. I don't have that "WOW they're amazing because they're so expensive" type delusion that some people might. So this is a purely objective opinion. Are they worth $450-500 bucks? No. But they are definately worth $350 at the end of the season sales. they're well made boots.
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You know that the baseplate has a lifetime warranty?
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You know that the baseplate has a lifetime warranty?
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2013 Burton SLX's
Well i just got these puppies in the mail. But before I go into that I want to take back my rant against burton. I had no love for this brand because of a few things. I was getting back into boarding seriously this season after like 8 years off. I got some burton gear and most of it sucked.
1. My 2013 reflex cartels cracked a baseplate after 30-40 days on the hill.
2. My 2013 Ion boots were falling apart after 10 days or so on the hill. The toe box had gotten so soft the strap was crushing it and slipping off. The whole boot turned into chewing gum it was so soft.
3. My roommate orders a 2014 barracuda and we are both shocked at how bad the finishing is on the board. The graphics/screen printing is not even aligned to the edges of the board and it looks downright cheap. You can see graphics printed overtop of other graphics where they didn't use enough ink or whatever, and it looks like a bad tattoo coverup or something. On the other hand my cheapass rossignol board finish is like a work of art.
So a couple weeks ago I sent my boots and my bindings back complaining about them falling apart. To my surprise Burton customer service is actually really good. Although the people on the phone aren't the most friendly sounding, to their credit they mailed me a new pair of bindings and upgraded me to a pair of SLX's. I wrote a note on the old boots saying "downgrade me to another boot if you have to, just please don't send me another pair of ions."
Anyways, after I get a few days on these SLX's I will post a better review. But so far wearing them in the house, impressions are really positive. The toe has some substantial backing to it, a hard plastic shell covered by some nice suede material. The whole boot is this plastic/suede construction, great vibram soles. The ions were cheap faux leather (on a $450 boot for godsakes) and the pirelli soles sucked when hiking. Kudos burton. I'm impressed you came through for me instead of feeding me some BS.
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Speaking at a seminar organized here by the Confederation of Indian Industry, Mr Suresh said the Coimbatore-Tirupur-Namakkal- Erode-Salem corridor is expected to attract investment of Rs. 14,711 crore to create infrastructure, which will create investment opportunities to the tune of Rs. 43,188 crore. The Madurai-Tuticorin-Tirunelveli corridor will attract Rs. 40,105 crore to create infrastructure, will create investment opportunity of Rs. 1.90 lakh crore and create employment for 18 lakh. Infrastructure in these corridors will be created in association with private partners, he said. Business Line, The Hindu.
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talked to my dad at our duck club in central calif and a lot of ducks have left the area. They're headed back on the long journey to their breeding grounds. It will be great to see strings in the sky and them that are on our ponds up here. I thank God for the opportunity to live in alaska and to be able to hunt back home. Really causes me to always wonder if the same ducks I could have seen up here in the far north could have flown overhead or into the club 3,500 miles south 2 months later. When on the plane i like to close my eyes and think how far our ducks travel and when i'm on my way back up here home, that one day in the next few months, these same ducks will be flying back.
Kind of brings tears to the eyes thinking about it when seeing strings of ducks flying overhead up here headed further north up towards fairbanks and on our local ponds and lakes. If anyone spots any teal or pintails could someone post where you saw 'em?


text: MTA President Paul Toner on Governor's Health Insurance, Education Funding Proposals Governor Deval Patrick announced a plan January 21 to set new limits on the health insurance benefits received by teachers, education support professionals and municipal employees. The proposal would require all cities and towns to either join the state Group Insurance Commission or institute a program of equivalent value and cost by July 1. "We are extremely concerned about a proposal that the governor's office says will cost teachers and municipal employees anywhere from $90 million to $105 million a year," said MTA President Paul Toner. "Municipalities, their employees and the residents of Massachusetts all need relief from the relentless increases in the cost of medical care, and simply shifting costs to public employees does not solve that problem. We need to be discussing methods to reduce overall health care costs here in Massachusetts for everyone." Toner said he is encouraged that the administration says the governor's plan will "ensure labor a meaningful seat at the negotiating table." "Public employee unions have been negotiating significant cost savings at the table for years, and that is where solutions to this problem will be found," he added. The governor's plan will go to the Legislature, which can pass it, amend it or reject it. The date it would take effect is the start of fiscal 2012. Toner criticized Secretary of Administration and Finance Jay Gonzalez's description of public employee health benefits as "overly generous" in the governor's press release on the plan. "That comment is neither true nor helpful," said Toner. "Employees pay a significant share of the cost of insurance. In some communities they are already paying 50 percent of their health care premiums, and more and more of our members are paying higher and higher co-payments and deductibles. Our goal should be to make sure everyone in the public and private sectors has access to high-quality and affordable health care." The MTA does support a key part of the governor's proposal: a provision to require cities and towns to move eligible municipal retirees into the federally funded Medicare program. Many municipalities have not enrolled their eligible retirees in Medicare, even though both the municipalities and retirees have contributed to the Medicare system. By moving all eligible retirees to Medicare, cities and towns will save an estimated $15 million to $30 million annually, according to the Patrick administration. Employees who have paid into the Medicare system and are eligible to receive that benefit should be enrolled," Toner said. "Clearly, there needs to be a commitment to involving retirees in making decisions about how this change is made. With that commitment, municipalities can save a lot of money from this change while ensuring health care benefits for retirees." Regarding the governor's budget proposals for education and local aid, Toner said that preliminary information that Chapter 70 school aid and state funds for special education will rise is "good news." We will need a lot more details to make more definitive comments about these sections of Governor Patrick's budget," Toner said. "We know these are challenging fiscal times, but they are also challenging times for public education. As a society, we can't lose sight of the long-term benefits of maintaining an excellent education system, in good times and bad. We must recession-proof our students. They only have one shot at a great education."