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I have a question for you all about process.
When working on a zine, do you just start and fill out pages or do you have all your content ready before you start layout. I usually do the latter, but I am not starting this zine and am thinking of trying it the other way.
A heavy content zine would obviously not work well with just winging it, but this is gonna be more of a lighter zine with some illustrations. I am just not doing it and I want to. Any tips? Thanks!
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I honestly do all my zines the same stupid way. I pick a page size/format and then work on each story separately. I don't really look at it all as a unit until everything's written and I can call it done. I *do* go "ahh, we seem to have a lot of 4-to-6 page things here, I should add some short ones to break it up" and then write more accordingly, but I don't think of where things are going to go or whatever until I'm getting ready to collate.
I do go in to it with a general sort of idea of the things I'd like to see accomplished, certain features or whatever, but a lot of times what I started with going in doesn't end up in the final thing.
I would really like to see a few more replies to this topic, since I am currently working on a zine with both typed and hand-written/drawn parts. I don't really have a "process", and I kind of wish I had more of one because every time I sit down to work on it, I don't really know...what to do, ya know?
I am fixing to make my first one. For the past few weeks, I have been carrying around my art journal and writing when inspiration stuck. I will even write article titles down as ideas. I am going to collect some blank paper, type up each lil story, and cut and paste them into zine format. I am just going to do a mock-up at first, fold some paper in half and paper clip each article into it. When I like the way it looks, I will glue each article into the book and go copy them. I am going to make a perzine.
*nods* That sounds like a good way of going about it.
I think making a mock up zine - cutting/folding the papers how you want them and seeing how many you think you will need definitely helps you get started. I will sometimes just write on each one what I imagine being there, like intro, x article, whatever, so I can better get an idea of how many pages I need and how it will look.
i always start with content.. but my zines are hella heavy content, and really thick. but something i always end up doing is, after counting what will be the pages and rounding up to the next multiple of 4 [to get it all to fit as half sized 8.5x11 pages] i give myself extra pages on which to wing it. usually if i have something like 80 pages of typed content, which would fit perfectly on 20 blank 8.5x11 pages, i will go ahead and add another piece of paper, so i'll have four pages to think about while i'm laying out the rest.
so maybe if you have a thing or two already, you could do some combination?
i also once read a zine that was just a handwritten story from he writer's past, and in the zine he wrote that he just gets some paper together, folds it, and starts writing. when he's nearing the end, that's how he knows it's time to wrap up. i thought that must be so challenging.
i guess it's a good way not to go over budget, haha.
Thanks a lot for all of your thoughtful replies; this has been really helpful! I think I've got a better idea of how to proceed now :) I think I definitely need to jot my ideas down, because I am very forgetful and ideas often occur to be at very inconvenient times, when I can't actually do anything about them XD As for all the stuff people said about doing mock-ups, and judging # of pages vs. amount of content, not sure exactly what how I'll work that, but hearing about your guy's processes helped me get a much better idea, so thanks again! ^_^
Sounds corny, but I keep a notepad by my bed and if an interesting idea comes to me I write it down. It actually works pretty well.
I have used this theory to think of time-machines, vampires, swedish meatballs and more.
It seriously works!
When it comes to actually making the zine, I aim for a quarter size, 16 page zine, and if that doesn't work out I just go with the flow and do whatever comes to me.
I just join with a bunch of film students to create a script in the style of the Exquisite Corpse. Ten of us will each write ten pages of the script with each one only getting the last three pages and a list of characters (and if one of the characters had been killed off in a previous section)
The Exquisite Corpse is done in collage a lot where you take a piece of folder paper and you have to draw/add to it without seeing the rest.
This thread made me think of this in Zine form. A good push could be to motive to a create a short piece with say ten other ziners to create a random zine.
As for process, most of my work is comics, so a start with creating small quick stick figure thumbnails. I figure this can work with non-comic zines too.
Yeah, I definitely know what you mean about seeing other people's work being motivating; this time, when I decided I would really like to begin work on a zine, but I hadn't done one in over a year, I began by cataloging at my local zine library, and it really helped! I get to sit for one or two hours every Wednesday, in a room packed with zines, and go through a stack of them--which is great because I actually have to read a bit through each zine and think about it first so I can catalog it correctly, assigning the right category to it, and writing a short summary; it gives me a handful of ideas for what to do with my own :D
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This is a good thread. I'm always curious about people's processes, and I'm always struggling to find motivation.
My process is very similar to PonyPoyPress's. I just can't do anything unless I have all the content planned out. But I also get easily frustrated from overplanning so I usually try to do a quick visual mockup on paper by drawing out the little boxes for the pages and labeling for content just to give myself an idea to work with. I also think lists are great because you can just write down ideas under different categories and you'll see similar themes between some of them, which you can use as a theme for an issue and the rest you can save for other themed issues.
As for motivation, which is more difficult to find for some than others, sometimes attending a zine fest does it for me. Just seeing all the different types of zines, covers, and formats sometimes stirs something in me and makes me go, "Oh, I want to try and make my own!" Or consistently looking at amazing stuff (art, projects, books, whatever!) by other artists really helps me because it just somehow makes you want to try. Even if you're not that confident in yourself, sometimes it just looks so fun and inspiring that you just want to give it a go yourself.
I think making up a mock book is a great idea for ones that are not too long, particularly if they contain a narative and mainly pictures.
I always break mine up with a good selection of several pics in boxes, full page pics and double page spreads. If you make a mock book (even an a4 sheet of paper cut and folded up and scribbled on) you can see how well the book flows and save the best visuals for the double page spreads. This way you can pace yourself right up until the very last page to leave the viewer with a feeling of a great zine!
For me, I do it the same every time. I actually write down what pops in my head or what I'm feeling in a notebook. After about a few months, I re-read what I worte and start typing. I always have the same layout (landscape with 2 columns), and then I work on pictures or typography to go with what I have. Then from there, I work on how I want to structure my zine...what entries flow together etc..(this to me is the hardest part). Then starts distribution. But depending on what kind of zine you have or what kind of organizational skills you have, things might be different for you. It's a trial and error type of work. My lastest zine I actually re-did the whole structure because I didn't like what I first put together for it. You will find your way.


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wifes explorer just did this tonight one loud squeal and the belt poped of as the tensioner desinagrated ,bearing in it locked up solid , offto napa I go in the morning .
My wife's car did this and I tried everything including changing the water pump. I finally stopped it by VERY carefully using a brass brush (toothbrush size) lightly on the belt as it was running.
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|Something alot of guys miss is that it may not be the belts.........it could possibly be the belt tensioner wheel. ..if the bearings get dry, spray some silicone with a long nozzle as not to get it on the belts into the bearing where its bolted. ..........been there, done that
|Take the belt off and turn it around. (back to the front) Also while the belt is off check the belt tensioner to see if it spin freely or if it is bound up. Then try some spray lube on the backside of the tensioner.
|my kids did this after he puked the radiator , a new belt didn't help , I finally had to spray brakekleen into the belt and then use some baking soda ( applied while the motor was running ) to help polish things up alittle then we tried the new belt and all was good !
|If the belt and pulleys aren't all gooped up with belt dressing, sometimes regular old Crest toothpaste will polish everything up enough to make the noise go away. Just smear an amount about the same as what you normally use on your toothbrush on each side of the belt, and start it up. It will sound like hell to begin with, but should quieten down within a few minutes. May sound crazy, but it's worked for me and a bunch of other folks many times. If they are all gooped up, they need to be thoroughly cleaned, either with a strong alkaline cleaner or brakleen, whichever seems to do a better job.
|Good information in the previous post. You need to get any type of "lube" off the belt and pulleys. We usually wash them with soap and water, something that will cut grease and replace the belt. Also once the belt is installed check the marks on the tensioner, there are usually 2 on the stationery part and one on the movable part. The one on the movable part needs to be between the 2 on the stationery part. Also if it was a cheap, no name tensioner, throw it away and get a Gates or an OEM unit
|Serpentine belts are very susceptible to noise caused from any type of contamination including belt dressings sold in your local parts store. Even water/mud contamination from four wheel drives & from front wheel drive cars that have opposed mounted engines are common problems I see regularly. My best advise is to purchase a new belt & a couple cans of spray brake cleaner. Start by removing the old belt/belts being sure to note their routing pattern. Then THOROUGHLY clean each pulley with the spray brake cleaner. You should be able to rotate all of the pulleys except for the crankshaft to clean each one all of the way around. Use clean old t-shirts to wipe off any excess goo or whatever. Repeat the process as many times as you think you need to, to make then clean. Then install the new belts or belts & give it a try. Also note that serpentine belts need to be adjusted tighter than v-type belts. So if the truck has an automatic tensioner you will be ok providing that the belt is the correct length in the first place & since you said the tensioner was newer. If it has a manual tensioner you will need to make sure you get it good & tight so that your deflection is within probably about 1/2" using 30-40 pounds of force on a 10 inch run of belt. Give this a try & please let me know how the end result turns out!
Chasing down a really annoying squealing belt!
So a friend of mine has a chevy truck with AC, Power steering and an air pump with serpentine belt setup. 88 350. Belt tensioner is new as is the belt, but the previous owner was trying to quiet the thing by spraying lube on it. I assume he probably changed the thing in the first place because it was making noise and it didn't help, so I'm not sure the lube is the issue, also considering its been a few thousand miles since it was last applied.
Anyhow, I'm reasonably sure there's some kind of alignment issue but nothing is obvious to the eye. I know when we squirt water on the belt it will shut up for a few revolutions so I'm pretty sure its the belt rubbing against a pulley somehow. Wear pattern isn't obvious.
What I really need to be able to do is isolate pulleys individually. Can the pulleys themselves be soaped? I was also thinking you could temporarily apply some kind of tape to each pulley and run it for a few revolutions to see if the tone changes. What do you guys think? How can this be traced?
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Does anyone know where I can get a Webley Flaregun Replica ?
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Hey folks
Does anyone know where I can get a Webley Flaregun Replica ?
As I cannot seem to find one anywhere :)
Contact Sidewinder Forge. Or try this link.....
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Seen sidewinders blaster rifle, tis very good, looking for a metal one though :) Metal is always more realistic and sturdier than resin, etc ....
Thanks anyway :thumbsup
No worries, although you may have trouble getting an original/metal webley flare gun. They have been decommission for a number of years and originals go for hundreds. Be prepared to part with a lot of $$$
Good luck
I'm going to be selling my bronze replica soon.
It's one of Hand Schuab's replicas from a few years ago.
Dont want to get a a real webley, as defacing a almost-antique gun just seems wrong :) .. a replica like the broom handled mauser replicas is more the thing I was thinking of.
Is the bronze replica cast from a original ? :thumbsup
oooh. every time one of those HS bronze ones comes up, i try to get it, and never have enough money at the right time!
Well, consider this some warning to gather up funds for a HS bronze replica ;)
I'm going to be fixing it up a little and making a couple tweaks before I sell it. I may sell some of my extra parts with it too.
I'm upgrading to a real Webley. I agree that it's a shame to deface one of the real flare guns especially since they're so valuable to gun collectors as well. Like the original prop I am making the modications non-permanent so it can always go back to original condition. I'll likely be using a replica wood stock because the wood finish is too easy to damage.


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Arsène Wenger has defended the business he did in the wake of last year's defeat against Manchester United at Old Trafford.
The Arsenal manager signed Mikel Arteta, Per Mertesacker, Yossi Benayoun, Andre Santos and Ju Young Park before the close of the transfer window in the days following that 8-2 loss.
Some suggested those additions were made as a direct result of the Gunners' heavy defeat, but Wenger insists he did not buy in haste.
"That's what people said, but if you look at who we bought we got Mertesacker," the manager said. "We were criticised a lot for that, but today who would still criticise us for that?
"We bought Arteta, who was a very important player [last season] and still is a very important player for the team.
"We brought in Benayoun, who was very influential at the end of the season for us. We bought Santos and Park. So overall, we have not done badly.
"We bought five players in two days. Park didn't work, didn't get his chance, but he's doing very well at Celta Vigo."
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Arsène Wenger believes Thierry Henry should play as long as he can before he considers a switch to management.
The Club's record goalscorer was back at Emirates Stadium on Friday to see a statue of himself unveiled as part of Arsenal's 125th anniversary celebrations.
Henry was immortalised alongside one of Arsenal's most revered managers, Herbert Chapman, and he has been tipped to follow in his footsteps at some point.
Wenger believes his former striker would be a successful boss but he has urged the New York Red Bull star not to hang up his boots just yet.
"Let him first be a player - his career is not over," said Wenger.
"After that you have to learn the job. It is like any other job. You need to learn the team, how to handle people. You do not stop being a player and become a manager the next day. It doesn't work like that.
"I must say, many players I have managed have qualities to be managers. Patrick [Vieira] or Thierry can both be managers. It is a different life from a player. You have to dedicate your life to the team. Players have to make that choice.
"There are many ways to do it. To go in straight away under massive pressure is maybe not the best way of getting used to dealing with the players. It will be him to decide.
"I encourage every player who has a positive philosophy to be a manager. They can bring something positive to the game. They can influence people's lives in a positive way."
Wenger admitted he would be more than happy for Henry to return to Arsenal complete his coaching badges and he dismissed the suggestion that great players do not usually make good managers.
"It's not always the case," said Wenger. "There are plenty of examples in England. It is a different job. It is a good base to be a great player but there are many other ingredients. I do not rule it out. They can be great managers.
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|4 Jaw Chuck
While 2 percent is not a lot to be out, it is significant if you are torquing to above 80% tensile strength and if you consider that most torque wrenches read out up to 10% out when new (especially some of the cheap clickers). I guess thats why I like my beam style wrench, I had it calibrated when I bought it and found it out only 3 percent at 100 ft/pds. Since they don't wear and I have the indicator card from the testing/certification I trust only this wrench.
Manufacturers regularly compensate for socket extension torque loss by purchasing calibrated extensions (no wrenches to calibrate that way) but if you want to know exactly what your getting you need one of these babies.
Socket extension torque sensors
Oh yea...
Well, I can tell you where that 2% "goes" When you twist the extension the energy is converted to heat. It warms up the extension slightly. One time is not noticeable, but do it one hundred times, and the extension will be noticeably warmer.
I will stipulate that there will be no practical difference in the torque applied to the bolt with an extension, as long as the parameters for correct wrench usage are followed.
|Bad Rat 414
Being a mechanic Every person I ever ask for an extension gave me this...
|4 Jaw Chuck
All that is affected by adding a socket extension is the accuracy...typically a torque wrench will display less torque the longer the socket extension is. The accuracy loss is always negative.
Torque wrench FAQ by Norbar.
Heres a snippet;
The old wives tale surrounding "extensions" and torque wrenches is related to what different people call an extension...classically an extension changes the length of the handle but most people think socket extension.
|man this thread grows fast!
|This whole thing has been ridiculous for more reasons than one but the worst reason is that we have been in disagreement over an error to small to matter anyway. The problem is when someone tries to correct the "error" by adding 10% or even more(NXS never said it was that much)and indeed I have seen this done. I guess that is why I take this so seriously since it usually is "corrected" by a large amount and with any kind of wrench. I have an acquittance that is an engineer with a mining equipment company and I will run my theory by him and see what he thinks.
OK, I have been thinking about this and I may have a plausible theory(NXS will love this ) Up until now I really had not given all that much thought to this since the physics involved are obvious and this has been hashed out thousands of times over the years, BUT, Hippie seems to have uncovered a discrepancy of some sort that appears to defy logic so the question is, how? If one is using a "clicker" type wrench then there may be an explanation for the error that does indeed involve twisting. A "clicker" type wrench does not measure torque in the sense that a gauge will take a direct reading it simply releases or "fails" suddenly at a predetermined setting and once this happens it no longer "reads" anything, if you continue to pull it would not show any increase in "reading". So if using a "springy" extension and applying force at an increasing rate the extension will deflect according, that is it will deflect at an increasing rate and since the resistance at the fastener end will not "see" the full amount of force being applied to the wrench end until it reaches equilibrium it will lag behind slightly and may be the cause of the problem. Since the clicker wrench only "reads" one spot and only at the instant it senses the setting it will snap when it reaches that setting but since the resistance is lagging behind due to the increasing rate of deflection it(resistance) will not have reached an equal amount of force at that instant. This will have no effect on a gauge or beam type wrench or any other type of torque measuring device that takes a continuous reading of the resistance(torque) and in no way changes the principles involved in applying force through a shaft(an extension in this case)but it does identify a design flaw with the "clicker" type wrenches and is thus a mechanically induced error. While this is only a theory I have come up with it does seem, unless I am mistaken, to explain the discrepancy assuming Hippie was using a clicker type wrench.
Opinions on this?
|Fast Orange
I'm not going to fault your equiptment or findings,but I am in agreement with Old red that both ends of the extension should,by basic laws of physics,see the same torque.Since at 30 ft/lbs,the readings of both wrench and tester agreed,I feel that the discrepancy at 100 ft/lbs is indicative of a mechanical loss,probably due to friction in the method of support for the extension.
If a loss of torque is possible in this situation,then we would also have to accept a loss of engine torque is possible through the driveshaft and other power transmission shafts of the cars we build and drive.For example,a motor putting out 500 ft/lbs of torque at the flywheel would be losing 2% through each shaft the power was transmitted through on it's way to the differencial,then an additional 2% through the axles.We know that this is not what happens.
The 10 degree twist in the extension is indicative of additional energy in the form of a longer arc of motion needed to reach the desired torque in the system,not additional torque applied to the wrench.
If we could support the wrench end of the extension in a frictionless bearing,located so that the centerline of the extension was perfectly perpendicular to the plane of rotation of the tester,by all known laws of physics, the amount of torque exerted on the wrench will exactly equal the torque transmitted by the extension on the tester.
|Hippie, I did not take exception to your findings but I just could not help but think here we go again when you started talking about the thinner extension and flex absorbing the torque when that quite plainly is a physical impossibility. Machines are fallible due to either malfunction or input error but the laws of physics and mathematics are the laws of the universe and are inarguable. I keep asking for someone to show how an extension can have less force on one end than on the other but so far no one has made any attempt to do so. Also let's not forget that as has already been pointed out the manufacturers themselves state clearly in their manuals that this error does not exist.
|I'm not confusing what the test equipment tells me. 100 Ft Lbs is 100 FtLbs., 98 FtLbs is 98 FtLbs. 2 Ft Lbs. went somewhere, the machine doesn't lie. I don't have an opinion one way or another on where it went, it doesn't really matter, I saw what I saw. 2% at 100 Ft. Lbs. honestly doesn't mean squat for most of us here. You guys can keep on arguing all you want. My torque wrench is still accurate after all these years and I won't use my long 3/8" extension when I'm torquing over 30 FtLbs, that's all I really care about.
|Hippie Why would I expect the energy to still be there? You are confusing ENERGY with FORCE. As I said earlier the total amount of energy will NOT be exerted on the fastener. The total minus what it used to twist the extension to equilibrium is what reaches the fastener but equilibrium is just that, the same amount of force on each end! The amount of force applied to a fastener is what the torque reading is, not how much energy it takes to get there and any extra energy used twisting the extension is gained by extra wrench movement using constant force(torque) . I explained this earlier the extra energy is gained from extra wrench movement and stored in the extension as static energy and will be released when the force is relaxed. You are now using the same old argument that has been tossed around for years but I bet you cannot explain why the wrench quits turning if it has less resistance on the fastener end than force applied to the wrench end. Please explain how I am wrong if I state that the force on one end HAS to be equal to the resistance on the other end or the thing would continue to turn. Simple laws of physics cannot be explained away by mechanical error.
Like I said if it was a 1/2" extension I'm sure there wouldn't have been any difference but I could see the extension physically twist approximately 10 degrees over it's length before the wrench clicked at the 100 FtLb setting. Torque is the application of energy, where did the energy used to twist the extension come from? It had to come from the force I applied to the wrench and if the wrench "clicked off" at 100 FtLbs and some of that 100 FtLbs was being used to twist the extension why would you expect to still have 100 FtLbs at your fastener or in this case the test unit? If you use the correct strength extension then I agree there is no discernable loss, but using the lighter extension there IS loss.
|Rat. As I said It was about what what I expected Let them believe what they want or maybe we should all call up everyone from Snap-On tools to NASA and tell them they are wrong Anyway you be your own judge.
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|GM Blood
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
|Justin D'Rite aka Sluuth
|Dryn'taka Devilschild
|Rohara Acharya
|Aarakess Halcorn
|Kilthan Hammerstone
|GM Blood
Diamond Point in Brief (Also in Campaign Tab)
In the hills surrounding the town, hundreds of laborers spend weeks at a time underground, breathing recycled air pumped in via systems worth ten times their combined annual salary. The miners are the chattel of Diamond Point, its seething, tainted blood. But they are also Diamond Point's foundation, their weekly pay cycling back into the community via a gaggle of gambling dens, bordellos, ale halls, and temples. Because work in the mines is so demanding and dangerous, most folk come to Diamond Point because they have nowhere else to turn, seeking an honest trade of hard labor for subsistence-level pay simply because the system has allowed them no other option. Many are foreigners displaced from native lands by war or famine. Work in a Diamond Point mine is the last honest step before utter destitution or crimes of desperation. For some, it is the first step in the opposite direction: a careful work assignment to ease the burden on debtor-filled prisons, one last chance to make it in civil society.
Despite its squalor, Diamond Point is crucial to Magnimar's economy. The city's directors thus take a keen interest in local affairs, noting the rise and fall of the managers who run Diamond Point's mines in trust for the government."
While Mayor Neff has been appointed by Magnimar, there is a power struggle between him and the mine managers. The balance remains because of two reasons, Allustan is the mayor's brother and the fact the mine managers scheme against each other as much as the Mayor.
Balabar Smenk: One of the several mine managers in Diamond Point. There is rumor that he is trying to drive out the other mine managers and take over their mines.
Chaum Gansworth: One of the several mine managers in Diamond Point. He is also the youngest.
Dietrik Cicaeda: Chief Cartographer of Diamond Point. His office resides in the Garrison.
Ellival Moonmeadow: One of the several mine managers in Diamond Point. He is rarely seen aside from playing Dragon Chess at Lazare's House.
Gelch Tilgast: One of the several mine managers in Diamond Point. He is also the oldest. He used to wield the most power of the mine managers ... that is until Balabar Smenk showed up in town.
Governor-Mayor Lanod Neff: Governor-Mayor of Diamond Point. Brother of Allustan. He is seen by appointment only.
Jierian Wierus: Head Cleric of Pharasma. A bomastic orator whose populist rants appeal to the best virtues and values of the common man while at the same time preying upon their fears and superstitions.
Luzane Parrin: One of the several mine managers in Diamond Point. Inheritor of her mother's proud legacy as one of the town's wealthiest managers ... she has seen t all slip away. The details haven't been brought out in the public eye but it is rumored that Balabar Smenk now owns her former mansion.
Manlin Osgood: Proprietor of Osgood Smithy. Osgood is a somewhat coarse, unfailingly polite middle-aged human with a bald head and a walrus-like mustache.
Mélinde: A charming young warrior priestess who hopes one day to run the Diamond Point Chapel of Pharasma. She can be found in the Garrison.
Ragnolin Dourstone: One of the several mine managers in Diamond Point.
Sherrif Cubbin: Sherrif Cubbin is a man so renowned for corruption that many citizens assumed the announcement of his commission was a joke until he started arresting people.
Taggin: Proprietor of Diamond Point's General Store.
Tidwoad: Proprietor of Tidwoad's (a Jeweler shop). Tidwoad is a cantankerous jeweler with a meticulously arranged shop located on the Vein's central square.
Toliver Trask: Captain of the Diamond Point Garrison.The garrison's aging commander distinguished himself in the recent war and has the respect of his charges and of the community at large.
Tyrol Ebberly: Proprietor of the Captain's Blade. Tyrol is a severe-looking man who claims to have once been a watch captain in Magnimar.
Valkus Dun: Head Cleric of the Church of Pharasma. He is a tall handsome man with dark brown hair and long sideburns. His strong brow gives him a serious look at all times.
Venelle: Proprietor of Venelle's (A ranged weapon shop).
|Aarakess Halcorn
What have I gotten myself into. The clinic was fine, it was a good life and I really enjoy helping people. But, now Fydor is gone and I have agreed to accompany this group that Allustan wishes to investigate the cairn. I do not know why he chose me, and only hope that I will not fail him.
With thoughts like this going through her Aarakess stands in the street.
Allustan provided me with the funds to equip myself for the adventure, and I have done so. But what now? We are to meet later at his residence, but I am not use to having free time. For neigh on twenty years I have been healing and reading. Now, it is the real world. Sleeping outdoors like a real elf, searching in cairns and who know what else. Well, what would an adventurer do with free time?
With this thought, Aarakess spots the Rusty Bucket and decides to see whether any of her old friends are there listening to the pipers. While not as skilled as the master bards she recalled from years past in the Hoarwood Forest, the pipers always put on a good show. Thus, Aarakess heads into the Rusty Bucket and finds a seat where she can watch the door for any friends and listen to the performance. Once she sits, she pulls out and begins to devour an old tome on illusions and illusionary arcane magic that she had borrowed from Allustan.
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
Time to meet with the contractees that Allustan has hired under contract at the "Rusty Bucket",
I would had preferred "The Spinning Giant" as a more relaxed and informal meeting place to get to know each other.
The job is to go exploring and possibly excavating a cairn,
Hopefully this one has clues to the "Age of Worms" that dad was researching.
She enters the "Rusty Bucket", and see's that she is not the only one to get there early based on the descriptions that Allustan had given her.
Looks like I'm not the only early Bird.
She takes walks to the table with Aarakess and asks
"Are you with the "Allustan's Party of Exploration" by any chance?"
|Aarakess Halcorn
As the newcomer arrives, Aarakess looks up from her book. And she was just getting to interesting descriptions of plants that actually use illusion to lure unsuspecting prey into their poisonous thorns.
I am not sure that I am familiar with "Allustan's Party of Exploration", however I am a friend of Allustan's.
Standing and nodding her head in the manner of the Hoarwood elves: I am Aarakess.
As Aarakess says this, she is slowly scanning the tall woman from top to bottom.
I am tall, this woman is huge, perhaps some giant blood. Although with that copper hair, I would be more inclined to think that her ancestry is of a more angelic nature.
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
"I am Ingrid Anika Nina Jones,
Allustan is putting together a party to search a cairn, and put together a list of contractees whom are on a contract or just signed one.
And your on the list, but not as a contractee like me."
Ingrid shows you a copy of the contract, an overview of the job, and that her name is on the list for "Allustan's Party of Exploration" or A.P.E. for short
"Allustan said he arranged for everyone to gather here, and that this will be a group of six."
She looks like a Half elven (Ulfen blooded) woman of about 6 foot 3.
She has a muscular yet curvy human build with comely features and pale skin. Her face looks attractive.
She has Sapphire blue eyes and lose Copper Red Hair that ends at her mid back.
She is wearing a brown mid Calf length skirt, a white short sleeved shirt and a brown bodice that assists with her figure.
She's in her non-adventuring clothes.
|Dryn'taka Devilschild
Dryn'taka yawns as she approaches the assigned meeting place. "Rusty Bucket, what a name. Hope it's got some good food at least." She had found herself unable to sleep well in this town, bad memories keeping her awake. She runs her hand through her hair, which she had haphazardly tied back with a white ribbon this morning. "I should just cut it all off, nothing but problems with it. Whatever, a little food will solve everything. Well mostly everything."
She pushes the door to the restaurant opened and takes a step inside. She notices the strange color inside, and takes a look around. "Green windows? Hopefully the food has better taste." Realizing she had spoken aloud, a red color comes to her cheeks, and she begins to stammer to no one in particular. "Um, not that it's in bad taste. Uh, the windows I mean, not the food, um, yea. Sorry, a devil ran away with my tongue there." She gives a chuckle before giving a look around the room. Seeing the two ladies, she decides to see if they are part of the group she's supposed to meet.
She approaches the two. "Um, hi, my name's Dryn'taka. I'm, uh, supposed to meet the rest of the group here. For Allustan that is, his group. Is that you two?"
|GM Blood
Within, green stained-glass windows filter eerie light into the main dining room, where the intertwining melodies of a trio of pipers enhances an ethereal atmosphere. A few guests dine in a large common room, with a handful of nicer tables situated in a roped-off area beside the main dining hall. The far table, on a raised platform overlooking the private room, is reserved for Chaum Gansworth, one of Diamond Lake's mine managers and the owner of the Rusty Bucket.
Three pipers play soft melodies occasionally coming around the various tables and taking requests.
|Aarakess Halcorn
Seeing another strange woman arrive, a tall silver haired elvish woman stands and bows her head in welcome.
I am Aarakess. And motioning at Ingrid this is Ingrid.
Dryn'taka, welcome to Diamond Point. Sit down and enjoy the pipers. Not as good as the elvish bards I recall from my youth, but pretty good for this town. . . . Oh, and yes, we are here on behalf of Allustan.
The food here is pretty good. They used to specialize in local fish, but the mining has caused the fish in the lake to be, er, less than appetizing. Actually, most of the fish today are poisonous which tends to cut down on sales. I would recommend the boar or the steak. They also serve a good vegetable dish if you are not fond of meat.
I did not plan on this being the meeting place. I just wanted to get a dialog going and decided that the Rusty Bucket sounded like a middle of the road pub. Hope you do not mind my choice of it.
|Justin D'Rite aka Sluuth
With his prayers to Iomedae recently complete, the young lizardman walks to the rendezvous. In his short time in town, he has been impressed by the order and structure of the industrious mining establishment. As for the equity of the system, he had decided to withhold judgement.
I get to meet the illustrious Alustran's agent, and yes, I can be discreet.
The lizard man enters the Rusty Bucket and runs an unblinking gaze across the entire restaurant. He is unarmed and wearing an explorers outfit complimented by a nice coat with an embroidered sword of Iomedae. His impeccable dress and manners are a sharp contrast to his reptillian appearance. After a few awkward glances he approaches the ladies' table.
"I was told to meet a large group here", he says in perfect common with no trace of accent. "Would you, perchance, be them?"
Justin does a large, sweeping bow.
|Aarakess Halcorn
Once again Aarakess stands and nods her head to the newcomer.
Welcome. I am Aarakess. The short redhead is Dryn'taka and the tall gal is Ingrid. Sit down and grab a bite. I believe that we should have two more joining us shortly.
|Dryn'taka Devilschild
Dryn'taka takes a seat and gives her companions thus far a once over. "Let's see, we've got an elf. Always good to have an elf. They've got lucky feet or something. Boy is she tall. Not as tall as her though. Wow, she's like a head or more taller than me. Plus she's pretty and curvaceous. Nope, don't like her. Why don't I like her? It's not that she's pretty and tall and curvacious. Well, maybe a little bit, but there's something else."
She turns as the lizardfolk joins the group and is introduced. "Hey, a lizard man! Now it's a party here. Pleasure to meet you. Always wanted a lizard as a pet when I was a kid, but the other kids said lizards were for boys, but I asked my dad about it and he said it would've been okay, but I never caught one, and besides you're not a pet, and I hope we can be friends, k?" As she finishes speaking she extends her hand to Justin and gives a big grin, showing off a row of sharp teeth.
|Justin D'Rite aka Sluuth
Justin quickly removes his riding gloves and takes Dryn's hand in his calloused one.
"So, I am not the only one with teeth. Very nice to meet you my lady. As for your plan to domesticate lizards, many in my tribe have done it. I think I am a walking experiment to see if a lizard-man can be domesticated--I hope it works out."
Justin's smile shows even more teeth and he makes a gesture akin to a small wink.
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
Ingrid takes note of the new arrivals
"Nice to meet you Dryn'taka, did Allustan explain the job to you?"
For some odd reason I don't like her, She is shorter than the average of 5 foot, a slender frame which I would not mind given my profession.
Why do I smell sulfur and brimstone, but it's likely due to her job judging by the clothes.
when Justin arrives
"Nice to meet you Justin, did Allustan explain the job to you?"
This is a surprise, A lizardfolk is contractee.
seeing Dryn'taka's sharp teeth
I believe she is a tiefling.
I checked with various Paizo material, the elf* is slightly shorter than average, and for **ulfen blood I am also short by a few inches
* checked with core rule book
** Humans of Golarion, Ulfen are freaking tall, Ulfen Men start at 6 feet.
|Kilthan Hammerstone
Kilthan approaches the meeting place with a sigh, Rusty Bucket... Trust humans to name something after shoddy workmanship... Hopefully that's not a bad omen as I meet the rest Allustan's hires... He pauses to take a deep breath on the threshold before opening the door to settle his unease about taking a job in the first place. Sadly, there's just not enough coin in the revenge business, especially when you don't yet know what you're hunting.
He shakes his head at the familiar thought, finding a small measure of wry amusement as he pushes the door open and the smells and sounds of the place wash over him. He begins to scan the room even as he steps into it, looking for those he's here to meet, his eyes settling quickly on the small armoured group making small talk. Torag's Beard! Is that a Lizardman?
He approaches the carefully, taking a wide berth around the lizardman, and says, with a slight Dwarven accent, "I am Kilthan. Allustan sent me."
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
|Dryn'taka Devilschild
"So, I am not the only one with teeth. Very nice to meet you my lady. As for your plan to domesticate lizards, many in my tribe have done it. I think I am a walking experiment to see if a lizard-man can be domesticated--I hope it works out."
Justin's smile shows even more teeth and he makes a gesture akin to a small wink.
"I'd be fine as long as you don't kill anyone. Well besides bad people, like goblins. Except nice goblins, no killing those. Unless they're the backstabby nice goblins."
Ingrid takes note of the new arrivals"Nice to meet you Dryn'taka, did Allustan explain the job to you?"
For some odd reason I don't like her, She is shorter than the average of 5 foot, a slender frame which I would not mind given my profession.
Why do I smell sulfur and brimstone, but it's likely due to her job judging by the clothes.
seeing Dryn'taka's sharp teeth
I believe she is a tiefling.
I believe we've been told the basics already, but if not supposed to have, I'll retcon it.
"Been told enough to do it. Investigate a tomb or somesuch. Just hope I can help out!"
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
|Aarakess Halcorn
Aarakess continues to watch as the new arrivals join.
One with celestial blood, and one with ties to a lower plane. An elf with a dwarfish accent, and a lizardman. What an interesting group.
Looks like there should be one more. If you do not mind me being forward, what are you skills. My goal is to return from this adventure in one piece, something too many people I have known over the years failed to do when delving into many of these old cairns. If we are going to be successful, the we need to figure our strengths and weaknesses before we begin.
|Kilthan Hammerstone
Kilthan nods appreciatively at the Elf's directness, "I don't mind at all. I think it only fair to ask for a look at the hands you might put your life in. I am a dwarven-trained tunnel-fighter, skilled with axe and bow, and a trained huntsman, scout and tracker. And you?"
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
|Dryn'taka Devilschild
I'm so tempted to call Dryn'taka, "Shorty" after Dr Jones' sidekick in The Temple of Doom.
Just remember who the Real Hero was, Dr. Jones. So who gets to play Willie, Justin or Kilthan?
"I'm an Alchemist. Well was an alchemist. I can still do alchemy, just don't have my shop anymore. It didn't burn down or anything though, caught fire once or twice, or 6 times, but never burned down. I've learned a thing or two about healing too."
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From the other corner table opposite the growing group of unusual folk a cloaked individual watches and assess them. Quite the bunch. This should be very... interesting. She touches the holy symbol beneath her cloak showing a dusky colored hand, Thank you again Desna.
The woman stands removing the hood of her cloak to show a striking woman of Varisian blood, in her late twenties. She has dusky skin and large grey colored eyes that show she is both quite amused and pleased. Her long dark hair is currently tied back behind her showing several star tatoos going down the side of her neck. She is wearing her armor, a well worth breastplate, a crease across the left side where some blade must of struck some time ago. Her heavy leather gloves are tucked in her belt that has a well used heavy mace hanging from it. From about her neck on a simple chain is a carved butterfly painted a vibrant blue with yellow in the wings. A large shield that is currently strapped to her backpack has been washed in white and also has a similarly colored butterfly painted across it.
She approaches the group, "Merry meet to you all. I am Rohara, the final member of your group to be." She pulls up a chair form a neighboring table and sits, "I am a traveler, lucky enough to be blessed with Desna's gifts."
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|Aarakess Halcorn
After listening to the others and smiling at the newcomer:
I an Aarakess. For the past 20 years, I have served this good community as a healer running a small clinic with Allustan's cousin Fydor. He tragically passed on recently after serving this town for the majority of his life. As far as what I bring to this group, I too have some healing abilities, and some arcane skills.
|Justin D'Rite aka Sluuth
In this group I feel less conspicuous. Now that everyone is present, time to check for evil.
Justin speaks in a clear voice, projecting to those at the table while minimizing the risks of being overheard, "I am a holy warrior that has dedicated myself to serving Iomedae. Although I am proficient in combat on foot, I am starting to develop my martial skills on horseback. I left my considerable stash of arms, armor, and trained animals back at the inn. You can be assured of my commitment to this just cause and to you, my chosen companions. I will demonstrate one of my abilities."
Justin removes a wooden holy symbol of Iomedae carved to show a radiant sword. He concentrates for about a half minute.
"There are no forces of evil present in this group."
Detect evil for 3 rounds in the immediate area including other patrons.
|Aarakess Halcorn
Well, it appears we have a solid group. Smiling at the Paladin: It is good to know that the Inheritor shall be watching over our expedition.
Then turning to address the dwarfish elf: I too speak the tongue of the lords of the mountains and the mines. I am sure that your knowledge of mines and tunnels will be most beneficial in the cairns.
Finally turning to address the ladies in the group: I am afraid that I have little experience working with alchemy although I have studied it and understand that it can mimic the powers of the arcane in many instances which will undoubtedly be to our benefit. And obviously having Desna's blessing and the ability to eliminate traps before they cause us harm are things that no adventuring group should be without.
Aarakess sits back thinking for a moment.
So, what is the plan. I know that Allustan is interested in the unknown. I have spent years reading through the dusty tomes he has brought back from his trips around the world. Books for Absalam, from the southern jungles, even from the far away kellish empire. Yet, it seems that now his interest is on a cairn but a few steps from town. It is always amazing that the unknown can be right under your nose without you even knowing it. I have lived here for over twenty years, and wandered in many of those cairns without ever finding more than an old broken weapon or odd dropped coin. Never would I have thought that after all these years there might yet be passages and treasure hidden in one of the cairns.
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
Darn, it ate my post.
Now that is a shocker, a Lizardfolk who is a devote follower of Iomedae, and possibly a priest or paladin.
"I believe Allustan has selected the Whispering Cairn,
where sixty years ago the Pathfinders from Absalom lead by a man named Ulavant entered the Cairn.
No one heard from them again"
|Rohara Acharya
The woman shares openly, "Allustan is helping me in trying to find my husband, Gaddiel. After a dream where he woke yelling, he disappeared the next morning. I had a lead he came here, but no one knows of him. He is a cleric of Desna, like myself. Until mage can come up with any leads, he asked if I would help a group for him."
Rohara smiles as she she listens to those about the table talk. She looks about the establishment so see who might be there at this time of day and that they are not paying to close of attention to the group.
She comments, "This task, is supposed to be kept quiet from what Allustan has informed me. Should we keep our voices down some and perhaps not mention the location so, openly?"
After a moment she says, "Do we know why we are delving into this Cairn?" She looks to the other faces to see if any know the reason.
|Justin D'Rite aka Sluuth
Justin continues to project his voice rather than increase it to a volume that can be overheard.
"My lady of Desna, I will help you find your beloved. I was told to be discreet, as the people in this town may not all be above reproach. That is why I scanned for evil forces earlier."
|Aarakess Halcorn
If you are concerned about being overheard, I can help with that. Give me a moment.
I cast Message 5 times pointing at each person.
Now you can whisper and I can hear each of you. Anything that I say all of you will be able to hear. If there is something secretive that you need to say, just whisper it and I will be able to hear it and can then tell everyone else with a whisper. It is possible to overhear what we are saying, but quite difficult unless the person is right next to us.
As far as the people in the restaurant, I have known most of them for years and do not think that they are people we need to worry about. There are people in this town that I would not say this about, these are not those people.
It lasts 10 minutes, I will recast as necessary to keep it in effect throughout this meeting.
|Justin D'Rite aka Sluuth
Justin nods at Arakess and speaks freely, "I am aiding Alustran as he has taken interest in a horrible tragedy that has befallen my tribe."
"In my short time in this town I get a feeling this town is fragile; both the economic health and moral well-being are in decay. Some probably think without a rich treasure find this town is doomed. If we discover a rich cairn, we will have to be careful as many will want to exploit our find. We most likely will be followed, maybe even before we demonstrate any competence or success."
After his short speech Justin clarifies, "Although these are the first impressions of an outsider, my instincts aren't often wrong. Where are my manners?!?"
Justin pulls out a chair and motions for Dryn to be seated.
|Aarakess Halcorn
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|Kilthan Hammerstone
Kilthan nods and leans forward, keeping his voice low and gravelly, "The paladin's words ring true to my ears. This town reminds me of a mine where the veins are running dry... and that kind of uncertainty can in a place can lead to more types of trouble than I care to imagine. The sad fact is that some folk will seek to take advantage of a situation such as this... happy to wreck what Allustan seeks to build or restore simply for their own personal gain. We must be wary."
He then throws his head back and laughs loudly, "..and one for the goblin you rode in on! Priceless!"
|Dryn'taka Devilschild
|Aarakess Halcorn
This is my town. It is a good town. But, it is also a mining town controlled by a few mine owners with Allustan's brother nominally holding power as mayor. I trust Allustan and his brother, but cannot say as much for most of the mine owners. As far as the other residents of the town go. They are hard working, but few would be unwilling to take a risk to gain an advantage if it would give them enough money to leave Diamond Point for a better life elsewhere.
|Ingrid Anika Nina Jones
|Rohara Acharya
|Aarakess Halcorn
So, when does this expedition begin? I am mostly prepared, but we should discuss how we are going to work together. I assume that Mr. Liz . . . er, I am sorry, I do not think I caught your name before. Anyway, it would seem that Kilthan and the paladin are the most capable at combat, although Ingrid and Rohara seem to know how to handle weapons as well. From the little I have heard, Kilthan should lead as he appears to know tunnels and I assume the cairn will be mostly underground.
I am not sure how to line us up after that. I have little training with weapons and will have to rely upon my other abilities to help us. How about the rest of you?
|Justin D'Rite aka Sluuth
Justin's face lights up at the talk of tactics - which for a lizardman is slightly upward rise of the corners of his mouth producing the start of a grin showing his teeth and a gleam in his eyes.
"I have no stealth or counterstealth skills. I have a horse I will be leaving behind and a dog I will probably bring as I typically rely on my animals to detect ambushes. I attack with large two-handed weapons and hit as hard as I can. I have used long weapons such as a glaive to gain a reach advantage on my opponents, but I prefer to use magic to fight enlarged and keep opponents away. In some tunnels, though, this may be a problem. I do not even own a missile weapon--a trident or throwing hammers is what I use at the middle ranges. In a tunnel my lack of missile weapons should not be a problem."
Justin adds, "I am sure you ladies couldn't be in better hands than you are with Kilthan and I up front."
|Dryn'taka Devilschild
"I'm sure you two will keep us safe!" Dryn'taka gives them both a grin. "Let's see, what can I do. I can use a crossbow, but when you guys get all biff, pow, stabby, then I'm not so good. I can make all sorts of bombs, and I'm great with alchemical stuff. I know how to make a few types of potions. I can make some healing ones, but I haven't quite got my in the field potion skills down yet. I'm working on it though! Oh, and I can make a potion that makes me stronger, faster, or tougher. But I start acting a little weird when I take it.
"Outside of blowing stuff up I'm okay at sneaking, but devils usually are. I can help with traps people like to leave behind, but only the ones that aren't magic like. I like to play with magic stuff, but it usually blows up in my face. Working on that too! Oh, and I can bite."
|Aarakess Halcorn
Aarakess watches the small red haired girl as she speaks.
All good skills. I have some skill understanding magic and the magical powers of things, so hopefully I can help you with that. I have little in the way of bombs or other injurious magic. I can provide myself with a defensive shield, I can summon a riding horse, I can make people like me, and - looking at Sluuth (who has still not actually introduced himself or told us his name) - I can make a person much larger for a short period of time.


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