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We I just become a 1st time puppy owner, my girlfriend knew I was thinking about getting a dog, (primarily a companion dog for both of us that I can run with, take hiking and canoing) and we both liked gsd and well she picked one out for me for Christmas. I got her at 7 weeks old on the 6th and using a clicker and a crate she has is pretty well house broken (well as long as we keep a close eye on her when she's free to roam) and can sit and come (usually) on command. However, after getting her and reading everything I can on dog training I got a couple questions that I figured I'd post on here incase anyone cares to offer some advice to a rambling new dog owner.
1st. If I could go back i would probably select a breeder with working lines. Because I really enjoy working with her and training her but I worried that show line dogs might be too laidback. I like the idea of having a high energy that dog that is pumped and happy to learn new athletic tricks and games and play. This puppy likes to play tug but she sleeps alot, maybe she's just young? What type of energy and drive can you expect out of dogs that come from show lines? Any tips for encouraging high energy and drive at a young age to get as much drive as I can out of her? I would say she is more of active dog than reactive, meaning she trys to figure out how to get treats from.
2nd. She really enjoyed learning to sit and come. And she will do them on command in different environments with distractions, like at petsmart etc. However, after reading on it I was afraid I hadn't trained her to have enough focus on me, she normally watched my hands and or pockets to see me click or see the food. So I started working on eye contact and once I sat down and worked with her she picked it up pretty quick. But now when I sit down to have a session with her she looks me in the eyes pretty good for like 5 to 10 reps or roughly a min then she starts seeming confused and disinterested. I don't think she get's it like she did with sitting. And after she gets confused she doesn't even sit as well. Is it normal to experience difficulty getting a 8 wk old to hold eye contact. Should I move on to down, stand, and stay or try to master this first? How long should training sessions be, how many is too many in one day, and how do you know if you're pushing too hard.
3rd. I have a ~6 year old mutt (looks like border collie face and ears on a blue healer body) I took in because she just showed up and wouldn't leave my yard 2 years ago. She's nice gentle, and far from an alpha dog.our lil GSD will even kick out of sleeping areas and things like for fun, but when they play she'll occasionally pin the gsd which I think looks too rough and stop it there, though the pup wants to keep playing. Is it a bad for training to let such a young dog socialize with an older dog that is not that well trained? Like will the pup look to her as pack leader more than me? Plus the older dog has storm anxiety and some other quirks from being homeless that I don't want the pup to pick up on. Should I just try to keep them separated while training and let them socialize everynow and then? Or am I looking too much into this?
Thanks and sorry for the long post, would appreciate any tips or opinions.
I have a GSD pup and a 2 yr old shelter dog (about 70 lbs) and they do the same thing. I think it's just the pup in them as to why their short attn...
The big one plays sometimes and gets too rough and I have to slow them down but the pup bo, just wants to keep rolling with the punches. Lol.
I'm not sure if its a bad thing I just wanted to let you know I'm in the same situation. About the training and all... Bo does what I ask but he's constantly looking for a treat in return
Lemme know if you find out anything
Thanks for letting me know, Warren. I haven't found much on the training affects of socializing with an older less refined dog yet but I'll keep looking and let you know what I find.
Hopefully someone knowledgable about our situation will read this and let us know their opinion.
I'll give this a shot:)
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1. I think no matter what line of gsd, they are all smart as whips, can learn just about anything. She's, by my estimate around 8 weeks old? Sleeping alot is not unnormal, they play, eat, poop, sleep:) As to drives/energy, depends on the dog and the genetics behind them ..It is what it is:)
2.keep your training sessions short, and do a few daily, end on a good note,,at 8 weeks, they have the attention span of a gnat, so again, not unnormal what you are seeing.> To build a better bond, I hand feed my puppies for the first month, THAT creates good focus,,when you have a good bond, everything else falls into place..
3. Some dogs will pick up the 'bad' as well as 'good' from other dogs in the home . As long as you do one on one time with the puppy, you shouldn't have problems with your existing dog or your puppy becoming 'bonded' to it. As for rough play,,well barring blood, I usually let my older dogs reprimand a puppy for being a pain in the butt to them..Key is to supervise:)
I have / had a couple thunder phobic dogs/firework/gun phobics,,but I also have had at the same time, other dogs that weren't and were not 'bothered' by the quirks of the other dogs..
Good luck with your puppy, hope I helped some.
I think you're seeing boredom more than confusion. Keep training sessions to 5 minutes tops. Several throughout the day, though. Sounds like things are going well with this pup. As pointed out, it depends on the pup for energy level. You may be surprised. A good breeder is much more important than what 'type' of GSD you have. GSD pups and dogs are known to play rough. As long as it's not a 'real' fight, I think supervision will be enough.
Your eight week old puppy has the attention span of a fly. Haha she's gonna get real bored of repetitive training really quick. my puppy at that age learned things very quickly and, also enjoyed it. I keep the sessions to five minutes or so then come back to it a while later. She usually learns commands in day and if I use them regularly will never forget them. Your puppy will really start to wake up around four months. At this age they are growing so rapidly that it's pretty exhausting. Don't worry your puppy will soon be more excitable. I wouldn't promote that too much. What you allow her to do when she's little she'll sure do when she's big. When you're playing with her and, training her just try to imagine 6 0+ pounds doing whatever it is.
Just stuff to keep in mind. Sounds like she's smart as a who! Congrats!
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Nice work Jay. Brian,You also realize the cost of marblizer as well,so good call on the "expert" analysis. As Koz told me years back,This is why it's called Custom Painting son.I give you the "product",It's up to YOU as to WHAT you do with it.Surprise me someday.Still working on that one. Still dig those big girl FISHNET panty hose....
now why and the hell would a production shop take that job? makes no sense at all. collision job?
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I think you should do the guy a favor and repaint the complete stripes, and just use the saran wrap techique, would sure look a lot better than that mess imho.
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About 30 yrs ago I had a car come in that had damage on a couple of scallops and (what I thought was) acetylene sooted scallops! I couldn't match it no matter how hard I tried the soot just wouldnt lay or look the same so they paid to have all the scallops re painted and I re painted and re sooted them all with acetylene and the customer was happy! A few years later at a show the car was there I was talking to the owner when a guy came up who said "that used to be my car" and he was talking to us about the repainted scallops he said that they used the soot off of burning pieces of plastic from model car kits (like AMT)Well LOLthats why I couldnt match the patern, boldness or thickness of the soot LOL! By the way that plastic soot was a really cool affect !!!!
There's a thread that was on this site about a fellow wanting to know if SS stripes would be OK even if his Chevelle wasn't an SS...the first bit of advice I gave him was to be sure that the stripes where centered...it just seems as though 5 out 10 SS stripes that are painted on end up with one side being closer to the center line of the hood than the other.
I love the advice you gave as to thinking about how an amature would have done it...clearly it wasn't a pro. Sometimes the hardest repair, is to copy a paint job that doesn't follow usual painting procedures. When it's custom work, well that just makes it even more difficult.
I've made custom colors for people...I always made sure that they had a formula so that they could duplicate it. Mike, I've read your posts on repairing the rocker on your Camaro, you pointed out that leaving your spot welds visible helps the next body man do his job that much easier. I've done a lot of flame work on vehicles...I make a point of giving the customer detailed instructions on colors inside the flames, blending techniques and if it's a tri coat ghost flame job, how the mid coat is applied. In this case Brian, it's going to be trial and error on test panels using marballizer and saran wrap until it gets close enough for the customer to accept it.
Did something fairly close to this a few years ago, have your painter try folding the saran wrap like an accordion about every 1/4 to 1/2 inch, then fold it in the other direction about every 2 inches...unravel the saran wrap and place it on the area, with marballizer, that your trying to match...it should be fairly close...the pattern anyway, now you need to match the color. I've been reading this thread with great interest, I don't know if I have the solution, because what I did was more uniform but, it's marballizer and the unevenness of the paint is a bonus when your trying to match what you have.
I hope this helps Brian.
Thanks Ray, my co-worker has a lot of passion on the subject. I know in the few times I have done custom repairs where I sanded the clear coat and the mid coat candy or the pearl off exposing the base coat. Matched the color on of the base then just as our painter is going to do spray a bunch of samples to come up with a user. Of course, some worked, some were "close" but doing this a number of times produced real good matches I was thrilled. One time I remember it was a van conversion company and I called this company to see what pearl they used. It was "Murano" (Sp?) and it wasn't available anymore. This was a REAL nice pearl that I guess had some EPA problem or something and the stuff was just discontinued, wham, gone. I went to a local custom painter to see if he had some. I think the dude had a problem with the hard stuff, he buzzed over to his pearls and poured off some of this gold Murano pearl into a cleaned out little bottle and asked me for five bucks. It turned out great and was down the road. I still have it on my "garage God" display in my garage.
He wasn't there long, don't remember his name at all, like I said I believe he had some serious demons.
I think "Murano" was the trade name used by Metalflake Company. They still exist, selling primarily raw flake in many colors.
HOK "Flip-Flop" pearls would be the same principle... but the shades available may or may not match the Metalflake colors.
Many Painters seem to have demons like that, I don't know if it's stress related because the painter is the last line of defense when it comes to doing a repair or if it's all the chemicals that they've been exposed to. One painter told me that he drank a bottle of Vodka every day just to clean out his system...I asked if he ever tried wearing a mask when he painted. I've known many a painter that either had to leave the trade or got sick and left us completely, mainly due to inhaling all the poisons related to painting cars. It seemed to be the old school lacquer painters that often refused to wear any breathing apparatus to save their lungs.
Up here in Canada, we have a Poly Urethane paint called Endura. One of the toughest paints I've ever seen but, deadly. The reduction ratio was 1 to 1...1 part paint to 1 part of the nastiest Isocyanate Hardner I have ever see. This product was used to refinish Semi's and a lot of guys would paint their trucks with it as well. One day I was making my usual sales calls and went to a local Semi repair shop and walked into the booth, all I could see was a black paint fog lingering in the air, all I could feel was that uncured paint sticking to the bottom of my shoes and I'm calling the painters name, nothing, no response. Finally I saw a pair of legs sticking out from underneath the cab, the painter was out cold. He had been painting part of the frame with Endura by crawling under the truck...no mask on, he didn't even have the exhaust fans on. I drug him outside and finally got him breathing again. After that episode he had tingling on the left side of his body that never went away. The Doctors told him that he had isocyanate poisoning and that the last experience is when the body finally shut down. He died 5 years later of lung cancer...he always told me that he had built up a tolerance to isocyanates and didn't need to wear a mask and that he drank a Mickey of Whiskey every night, again, to clean out his system.
There seem to be a number of demons out there and I'm sure that many people have their own stories that would be similar to the one I just told...but to any young painter out there, it's serious and today there aren't any excuses for not wearing the proper equipment.
I had a bigger shop for a few years, and hired and fired a lot of painters. It took three years to get a reliable crew! I always blamed it on the paint fumes. :-)~
I'm 64 and I've always worn a mask. About 8-10 years ago I made myself a blow-through mask using oil-less diaphragm style compressors for my total air source.
At 17 I was diagnosed with chronic bronchitis... but have no sign of any respiratory problems at all today! ...and that is after spray painting for fifty years!!!
I think a lot depends on the individual and how much tolerance they inherently have. The fact that you've been able to stay in the trade and thrive as a painter speaks to that. I've seen people that walk into a body shop front office, never having been directly exposed to some of the chemicals that are used in the shop and have a negative reaction. They have a hard time breathing, they get dizzy and just start feeling like crap and then there are some people that totally ignore anything to do with safety and not a problem. Sometimes it seems that people get worse and worse off the more they are exposed. I know of a body man today that over 15 years, became allergic to body filler dust. I found that strange but, he can't get anywhere near the dust today or his whole body breaks out in hives.
I've been painting for many years, just like you Jay and I've taken the chance where my thinking was, it's only a small piece, I don't need to wear a mask. I'm sure most painters have done at least that but, as I got older and saw the problems related to doing it constantly, I even wear a mask now when I'm mixing a color in my mixing room. I think we're both fortunate and I won't take a chance anymore, I'm not nearly as invincible as I was when I was younger...LOL
Good to hear that Jay, it tears my heart when I look at the young guys spraying without them, and I see it every single day. I have grabbed stuff off the net and printed it out leaving it in the bathroom for them to read and mention it all the time. Some have gotten a little better but not many. One old dude just absolutely is pissed if I say anything, so no more and have gotten tired of saying to the young guys too, but like I said it just tears my heart to see it! I always say to them "You WANT to see your grand kids, I guaranty you WANT to see them".
Often when you are young you just don't get stuff like that, when you wake up in 20 years with your body wasted, there is no turning back. There are no do-overs, there is no magic medicine to fix it, that's it, that is all there is to it, over.
Do you guys think there is enough interest to start a custom painting tricks thread in the paint and body forum?
I've been doing this for other people since the early seventies, so I am well aware that one-color paint is dominant right now.
Still, I imagine some might enjoy discussing some old and some new tricks.
Speak up if you are in favor, and I'll do a few posts myself to help start things up.
Jay, I think it would be very valuable. If they made it a sticky that would really be nice. I know am certainly not going to be using the tips you bring to the table I would love to see how things are done. I know for years I have walked up to cars at shows and just tried to dissect it looking for how was it done. When you stand back and look at this art and see a "photo" if you will it's hard to imagine it being done one step at a time. So I will often try to figure out those steps.
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This might help, whether you're running a ladder bar, 4link, or even a 3link:
Consider a side view of the car. Imagine a vertical line drawn through the front tire patch. Then, a horizontal line through the center of gravity. These two lines intersect at a point above the front tires. Finally, consider a line drawn, from that intersection, through the rear tire patch. Detroit calls this the "no squat/no rise" line. If the rear suspension instant center (pivot point of a ladder bar or the intersection of lines through the upper and lower links of a 4link) falls anywhere on this line, the rear of the car will neither squat nor rise on acceleration. If it falls above, the rear will rise; if below, it will squat.
Since the front suspension links do not carry similar dynamic loads during launch, there exists no similar trick. In other words, the front will always rise. By using "softer" (lower rate) springs at the front, you can get the front to rise even more, of course. This raises the center of gravity very slightly and thus increases the weight transfer.
There is a little trick available at the front which will affect rear tire loading, however. By using a lower rate spring at the left front than at the right, the left front will rise more than the right. This then forces the right rear down (compared to the left rear). The result is a dynamic loading of the right rear, tending to cancel the tendency of the driveshaft torque to unload it. It is necessary, of course, to have adjustable coilovers when taking advantage of this trick, as the lower rate spring will require more compression to support the same load. Note that this is NOT the same as a preload. The load is applied dynamically, not statically.
[quote]Originally posted by strawntech:
ok guys we will turn the spring nuts up they are very low right now
Most Coil over shocks have a recommended ride hieght. It is usually recommended that they be right in the middle of the stroke. Be sure you dont get so far up you have problems with topping out. If you have to set the shocks in the top 2/3 of the stroke, it might be a good idea to get some stiffer springs.
hey 4 jaw
what bar were you refering to
i hope not the ladder bars becouse we moved them down one from the center hole ( 5 holes)to the 2nd from bottom and seem to be making progress
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There should be an inch or so left in the spring travel during a full launch, you can use a short piece of rubber hose cut in a spiral and slipped over the shock shaft to tell how much it has moved after a good launch. Do both sides because they will be different.
Why not move the bar to the highest position?
ok guys we will turn the spring nuts up they are very low right now
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Okay, I think you said it just then. You said it lifted untill the rear bottomed out. That is the problem. At that point the suspension bouces and and you loose it all. It sounds like the coil overs are not set properly or the springs are too soft for the car. The coil overs should be set so that they are mid stroke when the car is setting still. If the springs are too soft, this will not be possible. Also remember, if you reset the ride hieght to correct any spring problems, the ladder bar geomtry will also change. If if fact the springs are too soft or set too low and you raise them, the bars will be pointed more upward, and will hit the tires less. This might not be a bad thing if it is bottoming out rihgt now.
well we went out to the local rubber coverd go fast spot with the ladder bars lowered one hole (now second from bottom) took most of the preload out of the coilovers (7 threads showing about 25% up) and turned the adjuster knob on the QA1's down to two outa twelve
the car sat alittle lower and drove well
after a breif tire warming the car left realy realy hard lifted the front till it ran out of travel (8-10 inches ) ans slamed the rear till it bottemd out as well then spun a little and did this two more times (hook spin hook spin hook spin ) then grabed one last time witch planted the rears well and went the last 900 -1000 ft
so i figured the shocks were alittle loose and went up a click ......
next pass spun like hell
same line same tire temp etc...
went back to click #2 to verify and did similer to pass#1
so whats next? anyone? turbo..., willys
I guess I am just confused. I thought you were thinking this was an 11 second car. I am not trying to be a *****, it is just that there are alot of people who come to this site with imaginary cars or imaginary engines making imaginary power. I am not accusing you of this, but when this happens it makes it is misleading to those following along if all the details of the car or situation in question do not make sense. It can give people a false sense of the answer to problems that may not even exist. This could lead someone else down a path that is just plain wrong.
That said, I think if the car has never been to the track you really dont know how it will react. You said it unloads the tires after it moves a couple feet. Are you testing it on the street? Nothing will hook on the street. The only way you will know if this car will hook and launch is at the track. There is no substitute for a concrete launch pad covered in rubber.
You need to get to the track to do your testing. It is pretty much impossible to set up a car on the street to see how it will run at the track. The point is that a well tuned race car will roast the tires on a standard asphalt street surface.
[ March 04, 2003: Message edited by: TurboS10 ]

thanks willys36
for all the info
Il run some numbers tonite
this is not the first nine second car i have driven. my idea of spins alittle and your idea may be a little different
so sorry i was not so clear with my wording
i also run a low nine second dragbike so my conception of speed is a little alterd too
anyway after thinking about it and waching the car leave a few more times it seems toleave real hard and then unloads the tires after about 5 feet(mabie 10)
As previous posts point out, there are a lot of considerations in getting your nose off the ground. it isn't all hp or weight transfer, etc., rather it is the entire system. The thread below discusses this tropic in detail. I posted some basic equations which should get you into the ballpark of the setup you need. In summary, you need enough torque, enough weight on the rear tires, enough traction, and center of gravity far enough back or you can't get off the ground.
http://www.hotrodders.com/cgibin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=15&t=004682
If the car is making 680 RWHP as you say, it should run 9's if it is dialed in. If it just "spins pretty good" I am doubting you have that much power. It should "spin pretty good" at 120 mph with that much power to the ground and that small a tire.
[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: TurboS10 ]

thanks every one
i guess the bottom line is move the bars up and soften the shocks... right?
il keep ya posted
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Pull off the front sway bar and any other heavy unnecessary bits like bumpers (buy fiberglass) and steel hoods. The big problem is your car only weighs 3100 pds but probably 1800 pds of that is over the front tires, you need to get that car on a scale and dial in the chassis weights to get what your after.
No matter how you look at it you need to tune your chassis setup and get your weight distribution right, even wheel standing race cars have at least %50 of the weight on the rear tires to start. A four bar setup is a lot easier to dial in front end lift than a ladder bar, a ladder bar is setup to drive the car forward for quick times not for showing off. Instant centers for a ladder bar are in the wrong location for tire lift, it is too far below the CG of the car and not far enough forward.
I suggest you find a set of scales somewhere and do some math.
|we useto remove the front shocks and hit the gas hard and let off when the front end just comes down we hit the gas to the floor and lift the wheels that way just playing on the street, can you get more tire under the car? wider, shorter
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Wootalyzer's Pricing Post! - The price of today's woot item is saved here for future reference------------------------------------------------------------Dyson DC33 Multi Floor Vacuum$199.99 + $5 ShippingCondition: Refurbished*DISCLAIMER* Wootalyzer! is in no way affiliated with Woot!, and this post may not always be here!
Here's a little video review.
Someone tell that guy he's vacuuming backwards.
oh wait he's just carrying it.
Dyson Vacuum. DC33 Multi Floor Bagless Upright ...
$399.00 - The Home Depot
Dyson DC33 Multi Floor Upright Vacuum Cleaner for
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Walmart - $399.00
Target - $399.00
Awkward photo...but, I hear these things suck! You know, in the good way. Like vaccuums should
Bought this in January and it sucks (in a good way)! Baby loves the sound too (added bonus)! Woot! even has it posted with new pictures this time!
I still don't see how it can be vacuuming more than one floor at a time...
$100 less than Amazon for a great powerful vacuum. It doesn't have all the attachments of the Animal, but I didn't need that so it has worked great for me on all kinds of surfaces.
Note: If your use is a lot of "wand" based stuff (corners, crevices, cars, etc...) this one leaves something to be desired. The wand is not the best, and attachments limited.
Otherwise, it sucks!
that guy looks sad, like he regrets not getting the Dyson Ball afterall. Woot takes returns!
This vacuum sucks! Haha! Get it? ...?
I hate the wand on this. It's long and not detachable. And the hose is hard to stretch completely out. If I use the wand the vacuum often comes crashing down. But it'll vacuum up anything!
If you use a vacuum inside of a vacuum what happens?
chubechpmnk wrote:I still don't see how it can be vacuuming more than one floor at a time...
It's maaaaaaaaaaaagic.
Got this during a woot off.
It's nice.
Same Price
This deal sucks....pun
just what is that guy and the vacuum doing?? that vacuum sure looks like it sucks!
I used to sell Kirby vacuum cleaners door to door back in the day, as part of the demonstration we would take and throw down about 2 ounces of salt and dance it into someones carpet.
Then we would go get their vacuum cleaner, and let them vacuum it 100 swipes in that tiny area... A Dyson did the best of all vacuums i've seen, but nothing matches up to a Kirby.
The first Dyson I destroyed wasn't based on the ability of the Kirby to remove the salt because of it's vibrational attributes. The brush was turned off, with suction alone a Kirby pulled almost all of the salt that the Dyson just GROUND INTO THE CARPET. Turned the brush back on the Kirby and the rest came out. Save your money for a real vacuum. (If you have around $900 you can get a Kirby, retail $1800)
Otherwise, Dyson makes the best standard 'grind stuff into your carpet' vacuum. ;)
Don't be fooled by the photo. This device can not be used as prosthetic limb.
This is an incredible deal! I still use my Dyson DC14 I bought from Woot on 12/14/2007 for $254.99. It still works great like the day I got it. It was the second item I ever bought from Woot.
If I didn't already own a Dyson, I would buy this model in a heartbeat.
Short of spending a lot more money, this is the best value you can find for a very good vacuum.
Andyman62 wrote:If you use a vacuum inside of a vacuum what happens?
The brushes spin, that's about it I suppose.
umaize wrote:Don't be fooled by the photo. This device can not be used as prosthetic limb.
But if it could, you could be your own cleaning company. Immediately clean up after yourself and your friends. *You* can be the life of the afterparty!
There's a big *BOOOM!*
I didn't realize that people in Idaho, Nevada, Utah, and Iowa were so dirty!
I own 2 dysons, a DC07 and a DC25 (ball). I bought both on Woot as refurbs and haven't had a single bit of trouble with either one. With four dogs that run in and out a lot thru a doggie door, the vacs really get a workout and after trying other brands (including Kirby) I'll keep my Dysons, thank you. I wish they made a steam carpet cleaner that work as well as their vacs!
Iotech wrote:I hate the wand on this. It's long and not detachable. And the hose is hard to stretch completely out. If I use the wand the vacuum often comes crashing down. But it'll vacuum up anything!
True that, wooted the same model in January too and the wand is the biggest disappointment due to how you basically have to extend the hose with a 3 ft plastic boom at the open end and the hose is spring-loaded tightly enough that it can topple the vacuum even though it's attached only a little ways up. Really wish there was a "mod" to remove that plastic boom.
EDIT: Ok, there is a mod. It's unclipping the hose from all the plastic handle/wand stuff and putting the parts inside the end of the hose. The tools don't snap in (like they are designed to do at the end of the long-reach wand) but they'll probably hold in pretty well with the vacuum sucking away.
As a bonus, when I registered my vacuum online dyson's confirmation said I had a full 5 year warranty (should I need it).
I have another similar dyson model and it is awesome. As for the wand being hard to use, I find it easier. When I need to reach up high I use the whole wand. When I need to get something down low, I detach the flexible part from the inflexible top half and use it that way. It is really versatile.
Don't be fooled by the others who say better than Dyson either. Bought one of those and it lasted 4 months and died.
What's the only Microsoft product that won't suck? The Microsoft vacuum cleaner.
SOOOOO sick of people complaining about the "WAND".
YES, IT DOES DETACH!!! *sigh* I have the DC33, if you pull the metal "wand" out of the plastic flexibal "hose" to extend it, there is a small button on the flexible hose that pops the ENTIRE WAND OFF the flexible hose so you can use your attachments from the HOSE DIRECTLY!!
KNOW HOW TO USE YOUR VACUUMS!!!! People complain about the wand the most, and the reason is because you don't know how to use your machine!!
Picture yourself on the floor with a screw driver, scraping and prying the nasty things from your home that you never wanted to ever see again mingled with the things you never saw and didn't want to see.
all in your immediate air space for your nostrils consumption as you clean your supposed Vacuum that never looses suction.
I am not saying they do not work well, I am saying that the guys selling point is that it never looses suction and that is a farce. Makes me mad that he can get away with that for so long. whilst I toil to keep the airways clear of regular old stuff that old school vacs just seem to eat up.
Oh, for those of you who would say - that guy probably has a house full of pets and all that. I have a single lazy cat, 2 teenage daughters and a fish. LOL 6 rooms of carpet 2400 ft. vac is used daily and has to be broken down farther than I would like to mention at least 1 time a month.
anywho... Happy vacuuming.
Read the directions. The wand is 100% detachable!
woofer1 wrote:Goofball! Read the directions. The wand is 100% detachable!
Once you figure out how to detach the wand you'll see just how far that unstretchable hose can go!
tarahbelle2 wrote:Don't be fooled by the others who say better than Dyson either. Bought one of those and it lasted 4 months and died.
A Miele is better than a Dyson. :P
Seriously though, put a Miele next to a Dyson. Without even turning it on, it is obvious a Miele is constructed to a MUCH HIGHER standard than any Dyson.
I love this vacuum. The cord is very long (the longest I've ever seen on a vacuum!) and the suction is great (in fact, it's the most suction of any Dyson released so far I believe). It's easy to carry, works really well, and does a fantastic job cleaning. It also ships really quickly since for something this size they have to use UPS.
Additional note: do not forget to register the serial number on the vacuum located behind the dustbin! If the original owner did not register the warranty, you get the original warranty on parts and labor for five years! Otherwise, you still get 6 months.
guys when did they start charging tax?.... I want to order one but i am being charged about 17 buck --- woot tax
is this correct?
woofer1 wrote:Once you figure out how to detach the wand you'll see just how far that unstretchable hose can go!
Nice, I had missed that little picture in the manual. Wand detaches and the tools just kind of "fit" inside the end of the hose there. It's a bit deceptive, because they don't snap in like they do at the end of the wand, but it works.
so Dallas, Texas tax 6.25 %
additional imposed max 2 %
so a total of 8.25% maximum tax.
It seems woot is charging more than that!
199.99+ 17.94 woot tax! that's almost 9% tax!
Plus I don't live in texas why should I pay tax?
GoDeepInc wrote:so Dallas, Texas tax 6.25 %
additional imposed max 2 %
so a total of 8.25% maximum tax.
It seems woot is charging more than that!
199.99+ 17.94 woot tax! that's almost 9% tax!
Plus I don't live in texas why should I pay tax?
woot is part of Amazon now, so you'd need to pay tax wherever Amazon lives. Which is whatever tax you'd normally pay at a local store.
badlass wrote:woot is part of Amazon now, so you'd need to pay tax wherever Amazon lives. Which is whatever tax you'd normally pay at a local store.
Thanks man,
That explains a lot. But I am still mad they are charging above the threshold [8.25]
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Have you checked the md5sum ?
I used Virtualbox version 4.0.8_OSE on my lenovo laptop (O.S Pardus 2011 - linux) to install the backtrack 5.
i used the iso which located on a folder to run the backtrack. and it works.
When i tried to click on install.sh, it just open the dialogbox (first step out of 7), in order to choose the first the language.
when i click on forward, it just freeze without moving to the next step.
Can anyone please advise how to proceed or how to solve this matter?
appreciate any feedback.
Have you checked the md5sum ?
Back|track giving machine guns to monkeys since 2007 !
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yeh, i have checked the md5sum.
i even downloaded it from main Backtrack website.
I download the BT5 R1 and it work very fine.
Thanks a lot for your help
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The US fiscal cliff negotiations or should I say the lack of a deal just yet resulted in an early day rally on Tuesday stalling by the afternoon and sending equities and oil into negative territory for the day. Comments from both sides in the media created more uncertainty for market participants sending the weak longs to the sidelines. The markets are playing out as I have been suggesting for weeks... higher than normal volatility and sudden price reversals for nothing other than comments over the media airwaves. This pattern will continue until there is a clear signal that a deal has been reached. At the moment most traders and investors have a very short term horizon and seem very unwilling to sit with any major position for any length of time.
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On the fundamental front the first batch of data released last night... the API inventory report was mixed (see below for more details). US inventories are still well above both last year and the five year average or simply put oil is well supplied globally with no shortage of oil any place in the world. Oil fundamentals are still biased to the bearish side.
The API report was mixed and not in directional sync with the range of expectations. Crude oil showed a larger than expected draw. Gasoline showed a much larger than expected build in inventory while distillate fuel also built versus an expectation for a modest draw. The API reported a draw (of about 2.2 million barrels) in crude oil stocks versus an industry expectation for a smaller draw as crude oil imports increased while refinery run rates increased strongly by 2.1%. The API reported a modest build in distillate and large increase in gasoline stocks.
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With geopolitics less of an issue or price driver than it was the last few weeks the main oil price drivers are likely to be any and all macroeconomic data on the global economy with oil fundamentals a close second. This week's oil inventory report could be a modest price catalyst especially if the actual outcome is outside of the range of industry projections.
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I am expecting a modest build in crude oil stocks in Cushing, Ok even as the Seaway pipeline is still pumping. However, refinery maintenance programs in the region are resulting in a building in crude oil stocks. This will be bullish for the Brent/WTI spread in the short term as the spread is currently trading at a relatively high premium to Brent and very near the highs recently hit. The slow return from maintenance in the North Sea as well as the evolving situation in the Middle East have been the main drivers that have resulted in the Jan Brent/WTI spread still trading around the $21.5/bbl level as of this writing. The widening of the spread should begin to ease once the North Sea returns to a more normal production level and the situation in the Middle East quiets down.
With refinery runs expected to increase by 0.2% I am expecting a build in gasoline stocks. Gasoline stocks are expected to increase by 0.8 million barrels which would result in the gasoline year over year deficit coming in around 9.9 million barrels while the deficit versus the five year average for the same week will come in around 4.7 million barrels.
Distillate fuel is projected to decrease by 0.3 million barrels. If the actual EIA data is in sync with my distillate fuel projection inventories versus last year will likely now be about 29.3 million barrels below last year while the deficit versus the five year average will come in around 34.6 million barrels.
The table above compares my projections for this week's report (for the categories I am making projections with the change in inventories for the same period last year. As you can see from the table last year's inventories are not in directional sync with this week's projections. As such if the actual data is in line with the projections there will be modest changes in the year over year inventory comparisons for just about everything in the complex.
I am keeping my view at neutral and maintaining my bias toward the cautiously bullish side as the oil markets may get a boost from what seems to be a slightly changing sentiment coming from the financial markets. At the moment there is still no shortage of oil anyplace in the world and a portion of the risk premium from the evolving geopolitics of the Middle East remains in the price in anticipation of a spreading of the civil war in Syria as well as the ongoing concerns over Iran's nuclear program. In the short term the price of oil will move based more on the markets view of the global economy, the US fiscal cliff negotiations and less so on the geopolitics. This is still an event driven market for oil at the moment.
I am maintaining my Nat Gas price direction at cautiously bearish as the fundamentals and technicals are once again suggesting that the market may be heading lower for the short term. I anticipate that the market is now positioned to test the lower end of the trading range... especially after last week's bearish inventory snapshot. As I have been discussing for weeks the direction of Nat Gas prices are primarily dependent on the actual and forecasted weather pattern now that we are in the early stages of the winter heating season and currently those forecast are all mostly bearish.
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Refs having favoritism .......
Posted 31 December 2012 - 05:12 AM
I'm just wondering what everyone thinks, I'm shooting guys left and right ref doesn't call them out. Come to find out their all buddies this game sucked let me know what you guys think please.....
Posted 31 December 2012 - 12:55 PM
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 03:05 PM
It did look as though your refs never fowelled up on paint checks so that might be something you bring up to the owner. If he tells you to piss off, you tell him you are not coming back again and you will spread the word that his field is poorly run. Might seem a little harsh but, when you drop anywhere from $50 to $200 a day they better be willing to make it so you have a good time.
thats what my wife said when I first met her...
I still suck and barely know positions.
Posted 31 December 2012 - 05:19 PM
I see what you did there.
Just do this.
Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:36 PM
Well I haven't gotten out to the field in a while and wanted to make a video so I did sot of an end of the season mix. Mostly old stuff but some unused dancing and other shens. Naughty language in the song so don't watch with you grandma. She needs to take a break from the Internet anyway.
Yeah true. These refs half the time dont give a s**t about you.. They put you on a team with other noobs completely out gunned.. (OH WE HAVE GRAVITY FEEDS... MY BOB LONG CANT SHOOT FAST WITH A GRAVITY FEED!) sure buddy why dont you join my team and see how it feels to get lit up with 10 balls and not get but 5 shots off .. anyways im sick of refs favoring there friends and "PICKING TEAMS" SURE YOU ARE!!!! Shoot the Refs balls or face
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You can't say "Argh!" without saying "Ah!" first
You'll have to forgive me for being AWOL for the last several days, but apparently the open source gods have dealt me an interesting hand that I've been playing to the best of my ability.
While spending most of my time trying to get the hang of Yellow Dog Linux on my G3 Wallstreet (while hoping I can figure out how to go all Linux, rather than booting from BootX), my home machine — the G3 minitower with a G4 processor (thanks, Sonnet!) — seemed to take a vacation when I tried to burn a CD (the drill here is to boot into OS 9 to use the SCSI CD burner, which the machine did not like).
To compound the situation, for some mysterious reason, I couldn't re-install OS X. This definitely was the exclamation point on the message I was getting from the open source gods: You talked the talk, bub, now walk the walk.
So I went through a few distros to find which one would boot.
Debian: I always have a problem with rebooting Debian after I install it. I don't know why, but it never works for me, which is unfortunate because I really want to use it.
Gentoo: A very interesting process in installing it, but like Debian, I get a combination of nada, zilch and zero when I reboot.
[Again, this could be PEBKAC raising its ugly head once more . . . ]
So it's back to Yellow Dog Linux for the G3, because the installer is friendly and I can get it to boot after I install it.
I'm not particularly married to the Yellow Dog, so if anyone has any suggestions for this G3/G4, I'm wide open to them. Further, this sort of speeds up my entrance into the Linux world: I had hoped to leisurely negotiate the Linux learning curve on the Wallstreet and get a handle on it, or at least to the point where I don't have to reinstall the system if I want to change the monitor settings. The plan was to become a Linux stud, and then jump into converting the desktops at home.
So the "argh" heard 'round the world is really an "ah."
Incidentally, I'd like to do an informal poll: Which of you readers like better as a desktop, GNOME or KDE?


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Bjorn, are you arguing that the newbie should go to the TBH because "this is the way we have always done it" is bad thing or we need more "thinking outside the box". I don't get where you're coming from.
... it would be wise to start with two of the same type for comparison as well as the ability to share resources (swap frames of brood/honey etc.). I would go with langs myself as you may be able to wrangle these same resources from club members...most will use langs and no guarantee that those with TBH use the same size bars!
Langstroth is beekeeping and top bar is a toy or a religion.
When you have top bars, you must allways stand and smile and show that bees make their own combs. They must have hands tired.
Yes,they have made them even then when homo sapiens did not walk on earth.
In top bar hives bees are eager to swarm because bees cannot understand horizontal hives.Bees natural movement along a year is up and down and up
Is this from your own experience? How long did you have TBHs? What was the difference in swarming rates in your own yards.
I'll keep that in mind if I ever manage my bees like beekeepers did 50 years ago, or use German black bees. ;)
Quote from: BjornBee on October 17, 2012, 07:32:15 AMI'll keep that in mind if I ever manage my bees like beekeepers did 50 years ago, or use German black bees. ;)Yes, rule one: before you open the hive, look carefully where is the dense willow bush through which you are going to rush when you have thrown away smoker and you bee hat and gloves......may the force be with you...
TBH just for fun :roll:Top bar hives are great for the developing worlds to help people enable themselves and lift them out of poverty and make life better for families :-D


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ARSC HPC Users' Newsletter 320, July 15, 2005
- ARSC Symposium and Workshop on Reconfigurable Computing
- Inlining in Cray C/C++
- Creating Sequences of Batch Jobs in PBS: Part II of II
- Quick Tip
ARSC Symposium and Workshop on Reconfigurable Computing
ARSC is hosting a symposium and hands-on workshop on high-performance reconfigurable computing, using conventional and FPGA processors. It will be held in Fairbanks, Alaska, August 22-24, 2005. For details, a list of speakers, registration and local arrangements, see:http://www.arsc.edu/news/archive/FPGA.html
Inlining in Cray C/C++
[ Thanks to Yiyi Yao, Ph.D candidate at George Washington University for sharing his X1 inlining experiences and inspiring this article ]
The Cray Programming Environment 5.4 includes improved inlining functionality for C and C++. Previous versions of the Cray C compiler supported inlining within a file, however the latest C compiler adds inlining functionality for functions defined in external files or directories. (Note: the Cray Fortran compiler (ftn) has always provided this functionality.) This enhancement has the potential to greatly improve performance for C and C++ codes by allowing more of the code to vectorize and multistream.
The compiler flag "-h ipaN" designates how aggressively the compiler should attempt to inline code. With N=0, no inlining will be done, while N=5 designates aggressive inlining, where the compiler will attempt to inline all function calls. Note: using aggressive inlining can substantially increase the size of the resulting executable, but may also greatly improve the application performance. See the "ipa" section in "man cc" for complete details.
The flag "-h ipafrom=source [:source]" indicates that the compiler should attempt to inline subroutines from the specified files or directories.
Here are a few example compile statements:
Standard single file inlining:
cc -h ipa3 main.c -o main
Multiple file inlining:
cc -h ipa3 -ipafrom=vec.c:main.c main.c -o main
When using the "ipafrom" compiler flag be sure to include the file being compiled if there are functions that you would like to inline within that file.
User Experience:
We were developing/porting an Image Registration application from sequential C to UPC on the Cray X1. The purpose of the application is to determine whether or not 2 SAR images are identical. The images are allowed to be slightly misaligned. The algorithm searches the space from 0 degrees to 10 degrees and applies a 2D correlation to determine whether or not the images match.
These standard rotation functions (scan from 0 degrees to n degrees) and correlation functions are implemented as subroutines. The main procedure is a 3-level nested loop ('for' loops in this case) and it calls those subroutines when needed.
Since the Cray compiler can not multistream and vectorize loops with function calls, inlining is essential to ensure good application performance.
With optimizations set to O2, the Cray PE5.4 does a great job of detecting such function calls and will automatically inline these calls within a single file. With this level of optimization there is no need to specify inlining pragmas (e.g. "#pragma _CRI inline [function name]" )
The problem with inlining is it will generate huge executables. To avoid this, one should inline only critical functions, in our applications these are the 'Rotate' and 'correlate' subroutines. The easiest way to do that is to use directive based inlining (i.e. -h ipa1).
Here's an excerpt from the code showing the pragmas from our code:
... #pragma _CRI inline Translate #pragma _CRI inline Rotate #pragma _CRI inline correlate #pragma _CRI inline summation ... int main(int argc, char **argv) ...
Where the following compile statement was used:
cc -h upc -h ipa1 regis.c -o regis
Note, "-h ipa1" indicates that user-defined pragamas will be honored.
Had one of the subroutines been in another file, inlining could have been enabled using the "ipafrom" compiler flag, e.g.:
cc -h upc -h ipa1 -h ipafrom=regis.c:rotate.c regis.c -o regis
See HPC Newsletter 274, "Inlining in Cray FTN," for additional inlining techniques: /arsc/support/news/hpcnews/hpcnews274/index.xml .
Creating Sequences of Batch Jobs in PBS: Part II of II
As described in the first part of this series (issue #319, > /arsc/support/news/hpcnews/hpcnews319/index.xml#article1 ), the X1 batch scheduler allows you to submit a string of jobs which depend upon each other in various ways. In this article, we dive into a specific example, which may help illuminate the dependency feature and its limitations.
The example is a hypothetical program which runs on 4 processors and is expected to converge in some unknown time under 48 hours. Thus, in klondike's 16 hour "small" queue, it could take 1, 2, or 3 runs to converge. It writes frequent restart files, so when a run is terminated (e.g. it smashes into the walltime limit), the next can run pick up without significant loss of effort. After the program converges a post-processing job is to be run.
The question is: can we submit the three primary PBS jobs plus the one post-processing job all at once (and go home for the weekend)? We can try to construct the desired sequence using the "qsub" attributes mentioned in the previous issue:
"afterok" -- which starts a job if its predecessor ends without error. "afternotok" -- starts job if predecessor ends on error. "afterany" -- starts job when predecessor ends -- for any reason.
Here's more information, from testing:
- if some PBS job ("AA") runs out of walltime, then PBS kills it. PBS considers this exiting on error.
- if a job ("BB") is waiting on "AA" with "depend=afternotok", it will start when "AA" exits on error.
- if a job ("BB") is waiting on "AA" with "depend=afterok", it will be **deleted** from the queues when "AA" exits on error. No trace of it will remain on the system (e.g., no ".o" nor ".e" file will be produced). PBS will alert the user by sending an email message.
- if a job ("CC") is waiting on "BB" with any dependency, and "BB" is deleted from the queues (as in 3) then job "CC" will continue to wait forever and ever... until you "qdel" it.
Here's a sequence of submitted test jobs:
klondike$ qsub tt_1.pbs 36005.klondike klondike$ qsub -W depend=afternotok:36005 tt_2.pbs 36006.klondike klondike$ qsub -W depend=afternotok:36006 tt_3.pbs 36007.klondike klondike$ qsub -W depend=afterany:36007 tt_post_process.pbs 36008.klondike
The test was devised so that:
- tt_1.pbs would run out of time (end on error)
- tt_2.pbs would complete successfully (end without error)
- tt_3.pbs would complete successfully (end without error)
- tt_post_process.pbs would complete successfully
And the observed result was:
- tt_1.pbs ran and ended on error.
- tt_2.pbs started when tt_1 was killed. tt_2 ended normally.
- tt_3.pbs never ran, being deleted from the queues when tt_2 ended. PBS emailed me with this information.
- tt_post_process.pbs remained in the queues with status "H."
Everything worked, except the post-processing job. (If anyone knows how to make this work in the given scenario, let me know and I'll pass it on through the newsletter.)
For the curious, here's the email I received from PBS, regarding the deleted job, tt_3:
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:29:55 -0800 (AKDT) From: root-klondike <firstname.lastname@example.com> Subject: PBS JOB 36007.klondike PBS Job Id: 36007.klondike Job Name: tt_3.pbs Aborted by PBS Server Job deleted as result of dependency on job 36006.klondike
Here's how the dependent jobs appear when they're in the queues, waiting for a dependency to be satisfied:
klondike$ qstat -a grep userid 36008.klondike userid small tt_post_pr -- -- -- -- 00:05 H --
In the qstat output, status "H" indicates "Hold." Note that jobs on klondike can be held by sysadmins (to move high priority work forward, prepare for system maintenance, etc...) and these jobs are given the same status.
The indication that the "Hold" is due to a dependency that you have created yourself is in the full qstat listing for the job ("qstat -f"), under "Hold_Types". E.g.,:
klondike$ qstat -f 36008 grep Hold Hold_Types = s
From "man qhold," here are the possible hold types:
u - USER o - OTHER s - SYSTEM n - None
"u" tells you that some user, like a sysadmin, has held your job. "s" indicates that it is a PBS hold, due to qsub -W depend=.... If you execute "qstat -f" on your dependent jobs while the sysadmins are holding everything in preparation for downtime, you'll see both hold types listed:
Hold_Types = us
After downtime, when the sysadmins release the User hold, your job will return to its earlier state,
Hold_Types = s
In addition, "qstat -f" will list the job's dependencies.
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The Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection of over 1,000 rare historical chess sets is the result of years of devoted world-wide travel, study, and erudition.
Chess Masterpieces: Highlights from the Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection celebrates the Deans' 50th year of collecting together and uses outstanding selected works to trace the development of the game of chess and the design of fine chess sets from the tenth to the early twentieth century. Sets come from Austria, Cambodia, China, England, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, Kashmir, Morocco, Persia, Russia, Syria, and Turkey. Among the works on display are ones owned or commissioned by Catherine the Great, Napoleon, Czar Nicolas II, and the British royal family.
Chess has been called "The Royal Game" not only because it originated in such royal courts but also because, across all eras and cultures, chess sets have been created from gold, silver, ivory, gemstones, crystal, and other opulent materials by the world's finest craftsmen.
The world-renowned Fabergé, Meissen, and Wedgewood workshops and many others were eager to join ranks with generations of elite anonymous craftsmen who worked for their ruler, church, or wealthy civil patrons to craft chess sets recognized as consummate works of art.
Just as the world's finest craftsmen devised ever-more ingenious chess set designs, chess players plotted and planned ever-more innovative and elegant styles of play. Hence, each chess set in this exhibition is shown in a famous middle game or problem position from approximately the same timeframe and locale as the set. This enables one to view the pieces as they were intended to be viewed – in play, with the visual beauties of the designs complimented by the strategic brilliancies of the games. Hopefully, looking at pieces in the middle of a period game will bring one a step closer to the original experience of both the chess set and chess play of the time. These games were researched by curator Larry List with the help of chess scholar Myron Samsin of the Ken Whyld Association and noted chess teacher and author, Fred Wilson.
It is said that there are currently 500,000,000 chess players in the world and that there are more potential chess moves than there are atoms in the universe. These highlights from the Dean Collection suggest that there are as well an infinite variety and possibilities in the design of chess sets to study, learn from, and enjoy.
Dr. George and Vivian Dean
This exhibition commemorates the 50th year that Dr. George and Vivian Dean have been collecting chess sets together. They purchased their first chess set in the Middle East and thereafter acquired a set in each country they visited. As they studied chess history, they expanded their collection more systematically. Now they travel to new countries for the sole purpose of acquiring new sets to make their collection more complete. Their collection includes over 1,000 chess sets and related objects from over 100 countries. The Deans have shared their collection with the public for study, research, and education. Pieces from the collection have been shown at The Royal Academy of Art and The Somerset House, London; the Musée d'Orsay and Bibliothèque Nationale, Paris; The Maryhill Museum of Art; The Philadelphia Museum of Art; The 1990 Kasparov vs. Karpov World Chess Championship at Hotel Macklowe, New York City; and The Detroit Institute of Art. Chess Masterpieces: One Thousand Years of Extraordinary Chess Sets, (Abrams) by George Dean with Maxine Brady has received The 2011 Cramer Award for Excellence in Chess Journalism.
Chess Masterpieces: Highlights from the Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection is curated by Larry List. For many years independent curator Larry List has researched the intersections between chess-play, chess set design, and their rich interrelations with visual arts and music. He organized The Imagery of Chess Revisited exhibition and book for the Noguchi Museum, New York, and the Menil Collection, Houston. He has researched and replicated estate-authorized versions of lost chess sets, art works & models by Isamu Noguchi, Yves Tanguy, Andre Breton, Xanti Schawinsky, Xenia Cage, and Man Ray. List co-curated 32 Pieces: The Art of Chess, for the Reykjavik Art Museum and DOX Center for Art, Prague and contributed the major essay, "New Forms for a New Era," to the catalogue. He contributed the essay "Chess As Art" to the catalogue of the Duchamp/Man Ray/Picabia exhibition at The Tate Modern, London and an essay on the chess-related performance work of Glenn Kaino for The Warhol Museum's exhibition catalogue, Transformer: The Work of Glenn Kaino.
Generous support for Chess Masterpieces: Highlights from the Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection was provided by Jeanne and Rex Sinquefield.
Special thanks to Dr. George and Vivian Dean; Terry Birkett; Davin Brainard and Amy Foley of the Detroit Institute of Art; Myron Samsin of the Ken Whyld Association; Floyd and Bernice Sarisohn of Chess Collectors International; and Fred Wilson of Fred Wilson Chess Books. NY.
Images: ©Dean Collection 2010, Richard Beenen Photography.
As part of Chess Masterpieces: Highlights from the Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection, the World Chess Hall of Fame presents an Audio Tour! Enjoy!
12/7/11: ArtDaily.org — World Chess Hall of Fame presents Highlights from the Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection
11/9/11: ChessBase News — World Chess Hall of Fame opens in St. Louis, by Laura High
11/5/11: The Telegraph, Alton, IL — World Chess Hall of Fame Moves to St. Louis by Jill Moon
10/4/11: Susan Polgar — Inaugural Lecture at World Chess Hall of Fame
9/12/11: STL Beacon — Chess Hall of Fame Plans New Strategy with Opening in St. Louis by Jonathan Ernst
9/9/11: St Louis Magazine — Best Chess in the West: Rex Sinquefield's World Chess Hall of Fame Opens in CWE, by Byron Kerman
9/9/11: ChessBlog.com — World Chess Hall of Fame Opens in Saint Louis by Alexandra Kosteniuk
7/31/11: ChessBlog.com — World Chess Hall of Fame to Open in September by Alexandra Kosteniuk
2011: The Chess Collector. Vol. XX No. 3 — 7th Western Hemisphere Meeting of Chess Collectors International in St. Louis, Missouri, USA, September, 9-11, 2011 by Thomas Thomsen
Chess Masterpiece: Highlights from the Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection Exhibition Brochure
Chess Masterpieces: Highlights from the Dr. George and Vivian Dean Collection Exhibition Checklist and Labels
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Wayne Law Professor Benson Invited to Testify Before U.S. Congress
DETROIT (Sept. 24, 2008) – The United States House of Representatives Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties and the House Administration's Committee Subcommittee on Elections have requested Wayne State University Law School Assistant Professor Jocelyn Friedrichs Benson to testify at a Joint oversight hearing on "Federal, State, and Local efforts to Prepare for the General 2008 Election." The hearing will take place today, Wednesday, Sept. 24, 2008, at 10 a.m. in room 2141 of the Rayburn House Office Building in Washington, D.C.
The Joint hearing will examine the recent controversy in Michigan over allegations that "challengers" observing the election in precincts on Election Day may use foreclosure lists to challenge voters' eligibility.
Professor Benson's testimony will specifically include a list of recommendations for what Secretaries of State and local election administrators should do, in Michigan and elsewhere, to ensure that no voter is wrongfully turned away from the polls or unfairly threatened, intimidated, or disenfranchised on Election Day.
Professor Benson joined the Wayne Law faculty in 2005. She teaches courses in election law, education law, race and the law, sports and inequality, and civil procedure. She has also published numerous articles on election administration and voting rights for English learning voters.
She serves as the founder and director of the Richard Austin Center on Election Law and Administration, and is a member of the American Bar Association's Standing Committee on Election Law. She is also in the process of writing a book entitled Democracy and the Secretary: the Crucial Role of State Secretaries of State in Promoting Democracy. The book will highlight the crucial role that a state's chief election administrator plays in the electoral process and illustrate how Secretaries from either side of the political spectrum are making significant contributions to promoting democracy.
Some of Professor Benson's past professional experiences include: serving as an adjunct faculty fellow at the University of California Berkeley Law School's Warren Institute on Race, Ethnicity and Diversity; serving as a law clerk to The Honorable Damon J. Keith on the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit; and serving as the National Field Director for Election Protection for the Democratic National Committee during the 2004 presidential election.
Last year, Harry Belafonte appointed her to serve as his Detroit Director of the Gathering for Justice program he founded in 2006. Her work for Belafonte culminated in a two-day conference at YouthVille Detroit that brought together 130 high school students and 200 community members, including Congressman Conyers and Grace Lee Boggs, to build an agenda for grassroots economic and educational empowerment in Detroit. She currently serves on a number of boards and committees including the American Bar Association's Standing Committee on Election Law, and the board of directors for Community Legal Resources and Transportation Riders United.
Professor Benson graduated from Wellesley College, where she founded the now-annual Women American Political Activism conference and was the first student to be elected to serve in the governing body for the town of Wellesley, the Town Meeting. She earned her master's degree in sociology as a Marshall Scholar at Oxford University in the United Kingdom, conducting research into the sociological implications of white supremacy and neo-Nazism. She received her J.D from Harvard Law School, where she was a general editor of the Harvard Civil Rights-Civil Liberties Law Review.
Wayne State University Law School has educated and served the Detroit metropolitan area since its inception as Detroit City Law School in 1927. Located at 471 W. Palmer St. in Detroit's re-energized historic cultural center, the Law School remains committed to student success and features modern lecture and court facilities, multi-media and distance learning classrooms, a 250-seat auditorium, and the Arthur Neef Law Library, which houses one of the nation's 40 largest legal collections. Taught by an internationally recognized and expert faculty, Wayne State Law School students experience a high-quality legal education via a growing array of hands-on curricular offerings, five live-client clinics, and access to well over 100 internships with local and non-profit entities each year. Its 11,000 living alumni, who work in every state of the nation and more than a dozen foreign countries, are experts in their disciplines and include leading members of the local, national and international legal communities. For more information, visit www.law.wayne.edu.


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West Jordan • Like young Jackson Pollocks, fourth graders at Fox Hollow Elementary School spent part of their Wednesday morning dripping paint onto blank canvasses.
At the end, the 29 students each had their own painting and an important lesson: Anyone can do art.
Derek Stewart, who likes drawing better than painting, enjoyed creating his abstract in black, green and blue.
"It was pretty fun doing it this way," he said.
That was the goal of principal and artist Kevin Pullan, who worries that schools could be losing the arts in the current climate.
"I'm a big proponent of educating the whole child, and the arts are part of that," he said.
Pullan holds an annual splatter art session for fourth graders, an idea that stemmed from his own background. The 49-year-old, who comes from a family of artists, says he can't draw but discovered he enjoyed doing abstract painting.
He now has a side business and sells about 10 paintings a year, but his motivation to paint stems from his love of art. And as an educator, Pullan also wants to keep the arts alive for his students.
On Wednesday, he showed the 9- and 10-year-olds an art piece he had created using pieces of glass from a school window that had been broken by vandals. Pullan told the students that they can take something bad that happens and turn it into something positive.
The students then picked three colors and went to work. Occasional giggles punctuated the room as students focused on their work. Some piled on the color, while others took a more minimalist approach. At the end, they added glitter.
"I overloaded mine," said 10-year-old Hunter Conley, who dripped swirls and lines of black, purple and orange as well as a little turquoise he got from another student onto his canvas, then topped it with glitter.
Neeltje Schmidt, 10, said she wants to take art lessons from her grandmother, who paints portraits and landscapes.
"I'm going to be an artist like her one day," she said.
Keyera Walter had so much fun that she wants to do splatter art at her upcoming 10th birthday party. Sonya Banza, 9, who likes bright colors, took joy in the finished product.
"My favorite part of art is figuring out what you want to do," she said, "and then you splatter it [the paint] around and it turns into a masterpiece."
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The sigpro is roughly the size of a full size HK USP 9.
I am thinking about buying a Sig Pro 2022 in 9mm for Concealed Carry. Any opinions on weight, size, and comfort? I currently carry a HK USPc .40 or a Kahr Arms P9. I am looking for something just as compact. Thank you in advance for you input!
The SP2022 is a bit bulky and would not be my choice for CCW over a Kahr P9.
It could be considered a tad bulky, but I went to that from a USP Compact and I personally prefer the Sig Pro. It also depends greatly on the type of holster you choose. Try the fobus.
I have the SP2022 and unless your a big built guy the 2022 might be just a bit big to CC. But this is just me as I am 6 foot 2 at 235 pounds I do have a slight problem unless I have a overlay such as a jackett or 2nd shirt on.
I thought my SP2022 was way too big to c.c. when I bought it and still must admit that it's a bulky gun. How-ev-ah, I have kept this gun (unloaded ala Mexican carry, just testing until I make up my mind) in my wasteband at about the 4-5 o'clock position for hours on end around the house and in the yard and must say that it kind of grows on you after awhile. I'm thinking of getting a supertuck holster for it. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGQYG...eature=related
My SP2022 is such a fun gun to shoot and I'm so good with it already (had it for 3 weeks) that I'd almost sacrifice a little comfort to have it with me in an emergency.
The 2022 is about the same size as the 228 and lighter. I have had no problem carrying the 228. So I recently bought a 2022 myself. Have not fired it enough to even say it is broken in yet , but I think its going to be a good shooter and spend some time as a CC gun in the near future.
Both are too heavy and bulky for citizen concealed carry. I'd recommend a SA XD SC or a 1911 3". You will save about 10 ounces and a great deal of bulk when carrying IWB.
Purely subjective. I'm a bigger guy and have carried my P228 for some time now without problems. My SP2022 just joined in the rotation as I just moved and didn't want to carry until I got my CHL for where I now live. Outright stating one gun is better than any other is ignorant, IMO, in general terms.
Personal preference aside, one should advocate based on: what the carrier is most proficient in shooting, method to be used to carry, rig employed to perform the function , geography (for weather considerations as they apply to daily dress), daily dress considerations. How ALL these factors combine into the equation is more important that any one gun over another as a singular criteria.
Comfort is just as subjective. As far as I am concerned, the lack of external safeties and other such appendages makes the SiG among the more preferred choices available. I carry with either a Galco Shoulder rig or a SERPA at 4 o'clock. I don't have any problems with either my P228 or SP2022 in either of these configurations.
As the previous poster stated, it's all subjective and a matter of personal preference. I'm VERY happy with my 2022 and would buy it again in a heart beat. OTOH, I got it as a home defense weapon and not a CC gun. I'm sure it would work as a carry gun - though it would probably be a bit on the bulky side for most people - but I have another pistol (a K-T PF9) that is my primary carry pistol so it's not a consideration for me. I'd gladly recommend the SP2022 to anyone looking for a well made, reliable pistol at a very reasonable price if I were asked. What you do with it after you buy one is up to you.
Great Gun
I recently bought a used 2009 (same size) and as much as I love it I think it would be a bit on the bulky side for cc. Personally I would look to something like the glock "baby" 9mm.


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