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So it's people like you that are responsible for the design vomit on my screen all the time then?
SaVioR wrote:Loving the hate. The net these days is all about a mass of information at your fingertips all at once as fast as possible. GREAT job on the new design coming from a certified user interace engineer. LOVING it guys.
It is hard to navigate, the whole look brings to mind the word metrosexual ( that is not a compliment ).
So did Amazon force this on you or were you all high when you made this decision?
on the surface Im pretty unhappy. Slowly but surely woot! is losing it's vibe and becoming Amawoot TM instead, don't sell out brother... oh, wait, you already did.
Too busy. Too many ads. Gotta click to read the write ups and description.
If this is the beta version then why cant I have the option of using the regular ole woot until you decide to abandon the new format?
From reading the comments I think most wooters agree, the new format sucks!
Woot Team
It befuddles me how a company can take something that works so well and decides to change it to "improved" causing it to be such a mess.
I haven't read through this thread so you'll have to pardon me if this has been said and/or addressed already. I'm actually sure it has.
You had three unique things going for you: Simplicity, awesome writeups, and a sense of community. Now you took the writeup off the main page, to be replaced by complexity and more products for sale, while turning the top comments into a testimonial box instead.
You're now just another shopping site, only with less products and slower shipping. So it's actually bad for everyone (not just your fans). I don't see this working out well. You're probably hearing this a lot though, so I'll just leave it at that.
Wow. I really dislike this new interface.
(1) It's overly complicated. I know about all of your sites. If I want to puruse them, I will. I don't need
all of this.
(2) It always asks me to log in. I don't want to always log in.
Nope, it's been a few days and I still don't like it. It used to be a tradition (habit) that at 10pm sharp I would be visiting woot! Nowadays 10pm comes around and I don't even care.
It's 1:49am now and I just got bored enough to check woot! - and leave a comment that won't make any difference.
I wanted to give it enough time to grow on me. It's not growing on me. I really don't like anything about it. Even the I Want One button is wrong. Discuss This Deal scroll sucks. Busy, busy, busy. Forced login? C'mon, we're all grown ups here. One deal a day watered down with too many "deals." Too much white. Too much navigation. Amazon Lite. BuyWoot.com. Etc. Giving me a headache. Losing interest. Seriously, Woot. Fix this mess.
Wow - perhaps there are those who love chaos, but I find the new website a complete loss of navigation, focus, and most of all- that great personality and sense of humor that was easy to find and read. I know woot was bought x years ago and this is obviously the streamlining of the website and branching it out beyond belief to sell overstock in every category one can think of.. but the brand was been completely washed out. I used to check the site on a daily basis both for the products and funny descriptions.. but I think those days are over as the new page is simply too loud/busy and trying to do too many things all at once. Sorry for the lack of love - but I think a good thing has just been lost.
When I first started visiting woot, you sold one item and one shirt per day. I loved visiting the site and clicking that big yellow button. Now I can't tell how many items you sell per day because you have sellout and deals and plus and community who knows what else. The formerly clean and easy to read homepage is now a busy, cluttered mess of information. The t-shirts are no longer printed on the wonderful AA blanks, but are on cheaper, lower quality Anvil blanks. In short, the magic is pretty much gone. I keep visiting, hoping that things will get better, but they just don't. At this point, removing woot from my list of favorite morning websites might just make my day better. If I wanted to visit Amazon, I'd go to Amazon.
With each passing day I grow to dislike it more. Annoyance is escalating to aggravation / irritation / frustration / exasperation / vexation. Makes my eyes bleed.
mdlagarland wrote:Agree completely with you!
Ditto. I was just getting into wine.woot. Learning lots from the folks on the discussion. Now I feel used. Done.
I Hate it.
I like the ideas.
I like the tab changer at the top.
I like the $5 all you can ship.
I hate the new web pages. I used to click on the shirt and get to see a clear ENLARGED pop up. Now i get another page to load then I have to pick which picture I want to get a REGULAR sized view of the same shirt. Extra work for no extra gain = FAIL.
I HATE being asked to log in just to look a a shirt. If I want to buy it, fine, I'll log in but otherwise, why do I need to log in? What do I gain for it? What do you? I haven't needed to log in over the last 2 years that I have been buying shirts, why do you need me to now? Assinine choice made by a person white a corporate dip stick up his rear.
I hate the white background. Too bright, makes my eyes hurt. Go Back to black.
I hate the new lay out. Its hard to see the sirts, Its hard to find anything. I have NO desire to explore and find things. I come here to look at and buy shirts. Let me do just that.
I hate the fact that you feedback form is broken, I can only assume it is do to over use of people like me telling you we love you but hate the changes to the site.
In short, keep the business changes. Put your site back like it was a just tweek what you have to. This new look sucks long & hard, and only gets worse each time I open the page.
It looks like they are working on it... The Nav bar now shows the prices (it didn't the other day). Thanks for that, unfortunately I am still boycotting Woot until they clean up the mess a little:
I. When Groupon and Living Social first came out, they were focused on simplicity, and only really one deal:
--These sites loosely "copied" Woot's 'deal-a-day' (cough, not dozen of deals) with a local twist, and were cool for about 3 months until they got infected by the simplicity avoidance virus; Why was Woot so careless to be infected?
--When these sites became an effin train wreck, I stopped visiting them.
--When the Gr/LS/AL daily email options became such a mess that it took more than 10 seconds to scan/scroll the EMail, I unsubscribed (and/or filtered them out of my inbox)
--I'm not sure of the interrelations, but it seems to e the deals on Gr/LS/ALD are all the same... Why would I need to check all of them to see the same useless deals?
II. The descriptions are still too hard to read. Woot was great because you could glance at the page, determine if you 'needed' something, and be done.
III. I really dislike the quarter million "community" deals and stopped visiting deals.woot.com months ago when humans stopped posting real deals (with promotion codes, etc) and were instead overrun with bots. Just pull the plug already! (Coming from Deals.woot rep 4/100)
IV. I could tolerate the Woot+ "departments", but they need to be promoted like the Woot items by adding a community discussion thread. People should review them like the item of the day, including quality posts.
V. A glance at the quality posts used to sell me on items. There's no way I'm going to wait for them to scroll by.
VI. WOOT! WhereTF Are you (and the designers) in this forum? Why aren't you here, reassuring us all it will get better soon?
(I do really like the concept of a unified logon and unified titlebar, but only the last 10 things I bought? C'mon Woot, I'm not going to navigate 25 pages of "stuff I bought" to find the thread where forum members continue to discuss their espresso makers and laptop longevity!)
Yours Truly,
Unhappy in MD
I normally dislike when a community gets all up in arms when there's a site redesign just because it's different..but I truly find the new design hard to take.
I originally started buying from woot in 2007 and loved it for its simplicity. I actually thought it was a _good_ idea to add more sites like Shirt, Kids, etc. But with this new step in adding seemingly endless amounts of random deals from partners..you've turned a unique, simple site into some sort of retailing monstrosity that's hard to negotiate.
The second I hit the site I now find my eyes wandering in all different directions, to the point of browsing dizziness. I used to love logging in at 10pm Pacific, seeing the simple layout, easily finding what I needed to find within seconds. Now I'm gradually losing that urge to visit every night because I'm reminded at how un-Woot Woot has become.
I'm not asking you to stay in the past and never change..but please don't stay with this radical redesign. It reminds me of Digg V4, and we all know how that ended for them. They're in their death throes.
Eeek, my mind is flying up down everywhere! Random ads pop up. What next! The old Woot was much better. This is way too much to comprehend. I can't use the site anymore...
Really liked the old, barebones type setup the site had. Like someone mentioned notice that Google's interface hasn't changed and it's wildly successful (heck, I remember using it LONG before it became the de-facto search source and it was the same then, and I loved it).
There's a TON going on, and it looks like almost every other site that someone tried to ratched "social media widgets" on rather than being useful.
yay! first purchase with the new woot!
I was so ready with my security code number thingy from my card XD
EDIT: I should probably say my bit about the new layout. gotta agree it's feeling way busier. Don't get me wrong. it feels forward and edgy. The write-ups are a bit stranger... the navigation does feel more cluttered. But the thing I dislike the MOST is that there are so many external ads... or excuse me, products.
when i started sifting through deals.woot, I knew i was going to be faced with tons of advertisements and coupons posted specifically to garner customer attention. But I knew that I could always ignore that section and just get excited over the new woot! of the day.
Now, it's unavoidable. And come to think of it, I DON'T like having to click on the item to pull up another page to check out the item before i say that i want one and visit another page to buy the item. granted, that last page was there before, but still, i value my clicking time! Thankfully, I already knew more or less what the item was because i missed it in the last woot-off
it's a bit rough getting used to. Maybe we'll pick up on it; maybe we'll just stick it out because you guys won't ever change back and we'd rather hang around for the occasional gem that will be awkward to navigate.
all i know is that woot! is different. and I wish it wasn't so much sellout.woot all over the place.
howleyt wrote:Don't like the nagging to log in. It is causing me to think about skipping Woot to go to my no-nag deal sites. Makes it much to easy to tie my user ID to my browsing activity--across sites. This is why I don't use Facebook logins anywhere.
Oh! Mutating Goodness you are crushing me! Why is the text and my reply smashed up against the left side of the browser???
Well I won't have to worry about this anymore - what howleyt said goes for me to, in spades.
The nag screen is the death knell for Woot and me. Woot used to be my startup page - NOT ANYMORE. And if it's not my startup page I won't be checking it anymore - ever. Now, you may look at my account and think I haven't bought anything in 3 years - but that would be incomplete information. What I've been doing is checking the woot site and letting my son know if there's something he needs to pick up for me. So, since moving in with my son as caretaker, all my purchases have been coming from his account.
He doesn't check woot. Now I don't check woot anymore either.
Sayanara, woot, it was fun while it lasted. Besides, you've been getting less and less woot-y ever since the Jolly Green Giant bought you. Perhaps it is best to part ways now, before you complete your transition to the stinking rotting corpse of Woot-That-Was...
Well that explains why you have time to sit at home in your underwear in your mom's basement trolling the forum - clearly you're unemployable. Certifiable, certainly - but not as a "user interface engineer".
Any real UI specialist worth her salt would never even CONSIDER churning out a vomitous mess like this. This isn't information - it's just noise.
I find it very annoying having to log in every time I want to see what's wooting. Good thing I can also see almost every good deal on aggregator sites like bensbargains.
The new site is obnoxious. It's as cluttered as a flea market now, and there's the annoying pop-up EVERY time I visit the site, asking me to log in. It's bad on a computer. It's absolutely useless on an iOs device--the popup is especially annoying on an iPhone--I used to check Woot every day on my iPhone, but the new site is too annoying to bother. Woot, you're losing a loyal customer.
OK, so they Woot! team isn't listening, and the change is permanent.
I wonder if they will hear the sound of users leaving.
How about:
One Deal, One Day, One WebPage
One Deal, Several offers, Confusing Layout, Many Many WebPages that I'm not interested in
Remind me to never hire you for any interface design, ever. Woot took a great simple interface and cluttered it. I dislike it from an "Interface Design" standpoint because it complicates the customer's process.
Also, it's interface, not "interace " unless that's yet another industry term that us laypeople (the users) don't understand.
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(2) It always asks me to log in. I don't want to always log in.
I haven't read through the 15 pages but, I'm also having to login just to view pages.
I can hit the exit button, but the windows pops up again when I change pages. And yes cookies have been cleared.
I keep running the cursor (unintentionally) across the top of the page and then have to wait for the pop-up to clear. It's annoying and kind of time consuming.
I'm still not liking it. It takes a lot longer to load and is almost impossible on my Android phone and my macbook only has a 15" screen so it doesn't display well at all.
I'm still unclear why the two ads at the bottom of the screen are both the same. I don't have a stereoscopic monitor, is it supposed to be an illusion of some kind? Put your nose up to the top of the radio tower then slowly pull back while gazing through, not at, your monitor...
What I miss is, as others have put it, the simplicity. Woot is not a site I check multiple times per day. I go there in the morning to see what's being sold then move on, that's what made it great! Now I go there and see the picture of what's being sold, which is sometimes smaller than the WootPlus ad. If I want to see the writeup, which was always fun to read, I have to figure out where to click to see it. Honestly, it isn't worth it.
I also miss some of the functionality. How can I see a fullscreen image of the shirt? I can't click on the image from the main screen to see it. I can click on the shirt, then switch the view via the thumbnail, but it is still small. Yet again, that's two clicks to get to it. Simplicity.
Woot was one day, one deal. That's what made it successful. Boston Chicken was successful, Boston Market -- not so much.
Fact is, I really think the "new woot" is crap.
Too busy, too bright, too scattered TOO FREAKING COMMERCIAL.
It wasn't broken... why did you fix it?
Tried to put up with it but can't take it any longer... I really am considering not coming back or visiting as often.
This place is L A M E... take it all back PLEASE!
Still hating it, especially the white. Although I'm still checking the main Woot page, I am not clicking through, even to read the verbage on today's Woot.
I do like that the porices have been added to the tabs at the top, although can we have it only show the particular Woot (kids! or shirt!, etc.) instead of having a Woot Plus column to the right in each popup? I can see that they're related to the tab title, but it makes the popup too big & distracting.
I'm just really wondering....
Do you all actually give even a tiny damn about what your customers (i.e. your source of income and therefor employment) think? Seriously? I really do want to know. You all actually started these threads and solicited feedback, but so far there hasn't been even the slightest indication that the feedback is being taken seriously.
The feedback is crystal clear- it appears the vast majority of those caring enough to post a comment can't stand most of the changes. Your users/customers have spoken and told you what elements of the new design are good and usable and what is not. The bottom line is this: Your loyal regular customers are NOT happy with this new website design. Most have given you some time to appropriately acknowledge and incorporate the feedback that has been given. However, there IS a finite number of times these loyal customers will continue to give woot the benefit of the doubt and come back hoping to see some indication of change back to the old less cluttered and more usable design. Once this grace period and the benefit of the doubt has been exhausted, the users will begin to cease their visits to woot.
Good luck woot.
Not much displeasure that hasn't already been expressed, is there? Well, it's all well-deserved. What were you THINKING?!
I'll add in passing that, if Amazon is using this redesign to beta a similar redesign for the mothership... don't even think about it.
The new design is working great. Thanks! I used to be hooked on Woot. I'm getting better!
Aversion therapy is a form of psychological treatment in which the patient is exposed to a stimulus while simultaneously being subjected to some form of discomfort. This conditioning is intended to cause the patient to associate the stimulus with unpleasant sensations in order to stop the specific behavior.
I'm not alone in being surprised that there's no staff response to any of the unhappy postings here. In addition, when other changes have happened, there were far more positive responses than I've seen here. I've seen a few positive comments in the three or four threads discussing the change, but only a few, and some of those seem more hopeful than complimentary.
Love the Despair image above. Loved it enough to change my signature here. Too bad. Then again, no one from staff is going to see this comment anyway.
I think the thing that bugs me most is that they are deliberately forcing a login to look at the account information, any time the browser's closed. The cookie for "Verification" is set to "Encrypted Sessions Only" (https), and is set to expire when the browser closes. scaredy cats. I also miss members.woot.com, which is now vanished.
Looks far too cluttered and busy. I know your 20something web designers are trying to put their mark on everything, but this new site looks more like a puppy lifted its leg...
I could do WOOT deals on my Droid Smart phone with the old site, and it looked fine on my travel Netbook (a Woot deal) but this new look is just too crappy and disjointed to bother with on either one of those devices, and not much better on my desktop computer.
The left side has no margin so looks almost like it's cut off. Let the browser fit the content to the screen, stop overriding HTML formatting. No way I should have to deal with a horizontal scroll bar.
Sorry WOOT you struck out on this design. Please let us select between the old and the new formats.
If Amazon bought Woot! because it had a growing, dedicated community and was consistantly more and more successful every year, why does it need to go into "beta"?
Loving the new look! I still think there's too much green on the main page. And if you guys could replace the product description completely with a few more links and adds, that would be great. You may want to consider a blacklist for all those pesky people in "The Woot Community", their posts are sooo negative!
And if you could please change the Bag of C--- to a "Bag of Fun!" that would be great. You could fill it with Amazon Stocks.
Oh wait... that actually would be a bag of c---.
It seems like every instinct and sensibility that went into making woot has been abandoned. Woot's success has been as much about creating a culture as it was about the actual products. It is now indistinguishable from any other mass reseller out there. When you demote your main (description) to a thin slice at the top, and even worse hide it behind a 'read more' button, it tells the reader you believe most people find the info useless, so we'll hide it here for those that want it. I'm not a web designer, but that's the perception I get as a customer.
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It's your choice, of course, but I still think the PO valve would be the best answer for your situation. Pressure is what makes hydraulics work, it's what they are designed to work around. Your system now generates pressure to move the cylinders, opened or closed. It's the lack of captured pressure in the cylinders when the pump is stopped that allows your hood to creep open. Putting a PO check valve in the hydraulic line between the cylinder and the spool valve/pump will lock the cylinders in the closed position with a negligible amount of pressure. Since the spool valve/pump will be idle when the hood is locked closed there will be no extra load placed on them.
Remember, hydraulic oil is sometimes called "liquid steel" with a system like I've described the PO valve is nothing more than a latch.
Just sayin'
|norm broshous
hood latch
I have deceided to purssue something in the solenoid type release,the hyd. lock will put pressure on the cyl or system all the time and that concerns me ( mid 80s gm conv,pump and cyl...thanks norm
Norm, any progress on getting your hood sorted out?
Norm, I'll just do this here if that's OK. Others may benefit, besides, I can't draw on the computer, I'll have to use my words
So open that link again and look at the lower right illustration (D) you'll see it has two PO check valves. Just above (D) is illustration (C) showing the symbol for a pilot operated check valve used on hydraulic drawings. Let's start there. The dotted line is the pilot line. The horizontal solid line represents the hydraulic line.The sideways V and the ball are the check valve. When hydraulic fluid is pumped from left to right it lifts the ball off the seat and flows on down stream. When it tries to flow from right to left the ball is forced against the seat and flow is blocked. If the pilot line is pressurized it lifts the ball off the seat and flow is enabled from right to left.
Now illustration D. You will want to eliminate the PO check valve in hydraulic line B and the T fitting in line A that connects the pilot line to the B line valve. You'll need to add a T fitting to line B that connects to the pilot line of the Valve in line A. In illustration (D) when line A is pressurized it retracts the cylinder, which I think is the same as your system. While you are closing your hood hydraulic pressure in line A is free flowing past the check valve into the rod side of the hydraulic cylinder causing it to retract. Oil on the other side of the piston is flowing out of the cylinder through line B and returning to tank.When you stop the hydraulic pump the check valve closes and the cylinder is locked in the closed position. The check valve prevents hydraulic bleed off of oil past the spool valve so your hood doesn't creep open. Now when you want to open the hood line B is pressurized which in turn pressurizes the pilot line to the check valve in line A which opens and allows the oil on the rod side of the cylinder piston to flow through line A and back to tank.
You'll have to find out what pressure your system operates at so you can source a compatible PO check valve. You'll want one that is configured like illustration (A) 4C check valve. The other one (B) 2C check valve uses an external drain, you don't want that
Now that's clear as mud, isn't it! You should click on the "view page" button for a more concise explanation!
|norm broshous
|thats all I want to do ---hold it closed,when it opens it has a chain stop to hold it at the end of the cyliner stroke,(also over top dead center)I am not sure I understand the piping required to do this with 1-valve---can you make me a sketch and e-mail me---thanx firstname.lastname@example.com
|Your welcome I said you could do this with one pilot operated check valve, and that's true, if you just want to keep the hood from opening when pulled down tight. But if the hood bleeds down when it's in the fully opened position you might want to use two valves, as shown in the lower right of the drawing!!
|norm broshous
hood lock
great idea on the check valve for hyd.system==thanx
You can do this with your hydraulics by adding one of these to the system...
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Caddy's from the 70's or 80's had a easy close trunk latch. push it down, the latch would grab the lid, and slowly pull it all the way down and lock. use one on each side.
|norm broshous
hood latch
I am building a fiber glass tilt front that operates on hydraulics,and need a locking device that once the hood has been sucked up home to the fire wall,it will not allow the hood to migrate slowing open (only a 1/2" )but requires that I constantly bump the hyd. to bring it back home...I want to develop a lock that will sense the position ,then screw motor type locking and hold until electrically released.....thanks for any ideas---norm
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slight "build" but more of fixing the previous owners mess and theres a lot of mess.
you can read this at blogger and watch my little video on what I did to the transmission.
WRX Build
Bought it for 3k with a broken synchro on the 4th gear.
Ill post some more pictures and videos of crap I do to it. hopefully getting a gopro soon.
just got the transmission back in the car.. along with the axles and drive shaft.
changed out the engine oil and filter.
All ive got left is to put the exhaust in which is what im about to do now! and fix the bumper...
also put the intake and battery in.
heres a couple vids of the stuff ive done!
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Remember, you can bracket race anything! Take that Caterra out to a local track and see what it will do! I've seen a guy put an old Ford Fiesta on the track -- the announcer said he thought he broke a track record at 22 seconds for a 1/4 mile, but he did it!! 16s are quicker than you think! If nothing else you'll have something to go by. The Caterra will be costly to modify much for speed, about the only things you can reasonably do is add a cold air intake and a cat-back exhaust system without upsetting the computer, but those two will help a bit.
I'm an AMC man, but for costs and performance cheap I'd go with a 79-80s Mustang. Lighter and less cramped under the hood than the same year F cars. Second choice would be the G-body. No heavier than a 3rd gen F-body GM, more room under the hood and easier to work on. The earlier Malibu is basically the same body, but a different letter designation... I forget it now! Ask me an AMC question....
If you run across a Gremlin, Spirit, or Hornet with a straight six, and especially if it has a stick shift, you can't get much more bang for the buck and cheap to fix and drive! They weren't very popular as used cars, and were generally cheap for the 2nd/3rd/4th/etc. owners, so were beat to death with little or no maintenance -- used as "throw-away" cars after they were 6-10 years old and more. That's why people seem to remember them as POS cars -- they'd already been beat to death by the time they got them! From the factory they were generally a cut above Pintos and Vegas, at the worst they were no worse than the US competition.
Hey Cris
I also am new to this site. I have also been looking for a site like this for weeks now. I ride a Harley and they have a site that is just like this one.
Good people with lots of great information to be had.
As far as the Vette I don't think that you will find anything near your price range. I think going with the Camaro is a much better idea. E.Z. to work on with a small block and you can do much to them as build ups go.
Good Luck
|Ive got a third gen.
|Gr8 '48 bow tie
Welcome to our family, where knowledge abounds. Just ask questions and learn. I have no idea what your knowledge of automobile mechanics is but you do have the main quality that it takes, the want to. Since you're just 16, that suggest to me that you are probably still in high school. That being said, let me suggest that you enroll in a trade school upon graduation for auto repair along with body and paint. Since you can not legally get a job dealing with cars until you are 18, you would be setup and ready for entry level into the job field of your choice after you complete the course. JM .02 Good luck to you.
|Huh. The Autozone over here has replaced the employees with chimps. and I must say I've gotten much better service since then.
:-o you gotta be 18 to work at autozone around here at least.....
i'm only 16 :-/ haha
Hey man, welcome to the site. Get a job at Auto Zone. Good discounts and lots of knowledge. You're gonna need a steady flow of income to get anything rollin'.
Or dad's wallet.
Good Luck
Welcome to Hotrodders.com.
For the 3g's and 12 second to work out you could also look into the GM G-body cars (very cheap to aquire, and maintain), and move up to an older Cadillac big block 472 engine (the 500 is also a cheap option).
This combination will get you a decent start on your posted goals.
But this is just another opinion.
thx for the welcome. lol
I'm back to thinking about third gen camaros.....
inexpensive and easy to find, easy to work on......
I could get a smallblock TPI 350, buy a 383 stroker kit off eBay for 600 bucks....sure, it wont be the BEST quality, but better than nothin.....get some heads, maybe a super-ram intake if i could find one cheap....some ZR-1 replica wheels for 650 for the set....depending on funds, maybe a hood.....
Anyone here have a third-gen?
first off, welcome. this is a great place to learn and meet people. pretty cool handle i gotta admit. i'm sure if you hunt around a bit you will find the perfect car, check out oddrodder's crazy rambler. i'm sure not many would consider something like that for a project but i would kill for it. lots of good projects in the albums, have a tour through them, it's worth it. keep posting!
Thanks for the welcomes...
I should have clarified that by saying i wanted a '12 second car', i didnt mean immediatly....i just dont want to get a car that no matter what you do to it, its never going to turn anything quicker than 14 seconds....lol
I'd be more inclined to go with a 5.0 Mustang GT but theyre pretty expensive to buy for their age and stuff....3k for a stock, OK condition 87 Mustangs a wee bit much IMO....
Welcome to the board Chris. Like a lot of us your eyes are wide and your dreams are huge. Maybe you could apprentice somewhere and do it to learn and not the money, that will come later. As for a car, many people spend years finding that "right one" and then find out a couple years down the road another "one". Start with one that is affordable and that both you and your dad can work on. Its no fun to have a car and not afford the parts to fix it. Thats like buying too big a house and not having furniture.
Choices are all yours and in your court.
Good luck.
Well Chris, first off welcome to the site.
Secondly for someone your age that just got there license, at 12-13 sec time slip...well thats a little to much i think. If you end up buying a car, i would do with what you stated, get a car and fix it up, the body, interior, ect ect. If the motor runs good i would use it and maybe mod it up slowly. If you know what i mean. Just make sure you find the right car before you get rid of that hard earned cash my friend
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I'm not exactly sure what car I want to buy. I've gone through 'stages' of loving 5.0 Mustangs, third generation f-bodies, fourth generation f-bodies, fourth geneartion Monte Carlo SS's, Buick Grand Nationals/T-types, C4 and C3 Corvettes, even a little stage where I wanted a BMW 325is coupe! lol
A few problems though....i've got no job. I've been trying my hardest to get a job detailing cars...tried the dealerships, tried the detailing places, tried everywhere. Cant really find any other job either. Right now I have just under 2,500 saved up for a car....
by selling my goped, nitro R/C truck, and eBaying off some old stuff that I 'took in' from my grandparents old house in Brooklyn NY before they sold it and threw most of the stuff away....pretty much antique plates and silverware, as well as glasses, lamps, etc..
Anyway, by selling all that crap, i'll probably be a little over the 3k mark. Assuming I get a job in the next month or two, by the end of this summer I should have 4 or 5k avalable. What I'm looking for is a project car that me and my dad can work on over the winter. I'm dying to paint my own car, do my own interior work, do my own engine work....pretty much completly build up the car myself and with my dad. Yeah...it takes $, but i dont think it would take TOO much if i shop for the right stuff for my situation....
Also looking for something that will put down a mid/low 13 second timeslip for the quarter mile...12's would be nice.
I'm currently trying to find out if its likely that i'd be able to buy an early C4 Corvette coupe (cant STAND convertables) in rough shape....i wouldnt mind no interior or engine....for under 1500 or so. That would be my first choice. What can you guys recomend?
Want something that looks mean/agressive, has the posibility of handling quite well as well as being fast, insurance isnt TOO bad (My dad would be willing to have it in his name with me as a secondary driver), and is fairly easy to work on. That pretty much rules out even LT1 fourth generation f-bodies cause the engine is tucked so far back...lol
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his 92' already has the stronger 7.625" rear in it with the 28 spline axles instead of the 7.5" with the 26 spline axles. you are right about the TQ arm and the control arms. before i started drag racing my current set up i had a 355 putting out about 390-400hp, I upgraded to a 7.625 rearend from a 91' and I never had any issues with it.
think about this, how many LT1 and LS1 camaro's are out there with a set of headers and exhaust, reprogramed, with an aftermarket intake and just some other bolt on mods. these cars are making about 400hp and still using the same 7.625" rearend. dont get me wrong these rearends are week and will likely be the weakest link on the car with 400+hp/tq but i've seen plenty handle this kind of power without any problems. its the 7.5" rearend with the 26 spline axles which is so much weaker. after saying all this, i must say that with my old set up on my 385, my 7.625" rear didn't last 3 weeks. but it was also putting out 490tq.
I am someone who believes saving the money and doing it right the first time so i understand what you are telling him. I just dont think that is what he looking for. for many people 400hp in a street car is all they will ever care to have. based on the parts OP picked, i assumed that he was on a budget that is why i suggested the iron RHS 180 heads, and believe it or not they actually flow 258cfm @ .500", these numbers came from an independant shop that has flow tested hundreds of different heads on their SF600. most $1000-1250.00 alm heads are right in that range with them so how much would that extra $200-450.00 extra for the alm heads acutally benifit him. they are lighter, but if he's not racing then the extra 50lbs will never be seen nor felt. now for the heating aspect. the alm heads will be easier to cool, but as long as he has a decent electric fan he wont have any problems with the irons heads, on my previous motor set up i used Dart 200cc platinum iron heads and i never had any issues with keeping the motor under 190°.
Yes, would a set of AFR 195's, Brodix IK200's, or Dart pro-1 200's along with a hyd roller cam be his best option for making more power, absolutley. with these he would likely make 50-75 more hp all day but he would also spend another $1500.00 doing it.
Sometimes you have to make recomendations based on what you believe the OP wants, not what you would want.
Last edited by my87Z; 07-02-2012 at 08:39 AM.
Now if I go with those RHS's will I need a different intake than the one I posted? I posted an Edelbrock 7516 performer RPM air gap. But it's designed to fit vortechs. Does that matter?
Also about the distributor, I don't really know anything about picking the right one. You said HEI. But what about trigger style, advance type, or computer control compatible? What should I look for in those areas? And I'm sure the gear material matters, but with that I'd need to know the material of the cam, right?
EDIT: And yes, I'm on a budget. But I'm actually using this summer to build the engine, get the tranny and all the stuff needed for that, and the rear end and all that I need for that. I'm planning on doing the whole swap at either spring of next year or beginning of summer of next year so I can use the whole summer to make sure everything runs right and break it in. So I don't know my full budget yet, but it's definitely enough to get what we've been talking about. But yes, if I could afford heads like AFRs or the like, I'd definitely go that route.
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On the stroker's cam profile is important! whether the lift is produced with a low heal (the lowest part of the lobe) or a high toe (the highest part of the lobe) The reason for this is because the rod caps come into close proximity (on longer stroke cranks) with the cam lobes and even hit the lobes on high lift cams and machining is necessary to achieve clearances sometimes negating the use of larger cams! You probably already know this and researched it! But sometimes cams are suggested because of this reason! So I thought Id mention it! In case you didn't know!
"Not sure where you get this 7.625" information, but both of my LT1 cars came with a 7.5". EVERY LS1 car came with a 7.5 as well. I'm guessing that you are thinking of the oddball Borg-Warner rear that came in a few 3rd gens. Either way both are weak. Possibly with street tires, they will last a long time, but NO WAY at the track or street with a decent drag radial or a sticky DOT tire. Not a chance in hell. My friend grenaded his 10-bolt with a bone-stock LT1 car with a t56 and a set of BFG drag radials."
I'm sorry but you are wrong, in 1989 when they switched to the 28 spline axles they also switched to a 7.625" 10 bolt rear end. the Borg-Warner 9-bolt Australian based rear end and is pretty rare. As of 1989 all car and small truck (S-10) 10 bolt rear ends were the 7.625 rear end. if you dont believe me then look it up.
as for my old 355 set up, yes i ran it at the track with p275/65R15 M/t drag radials and i had the car running 12.80's. these rear ends are a weak link but there are plenty of people out there running low 11's and even 10's with these rear ends still in there car. I've seen it and so have you, you just didn't know it. While you are doing a search on the whole 7.625" rear end. do a search on how strong you can make them and how fast people are going in them. you could also ask Fbird-88 on here, i know that i have heard him talk about using the rear end as well while pushing a pretty fair amount of power.
"I could piece something together for not much more $$$ and make it much more enjoyable. IMHO vortec heads do not belong on anything over 355 cubes. They simply don't have the ability to feed it correctly. A 355 with a head flowing over 250 will crap all over a 383 on vortec heads. It would cost a lot less too being able to keep the rods, and crank and not needing as much machining. He's going to run a 650 dbl pumper which can support 450+hp, and an Edelbrock Performer RPM intake which can go well over 500hp, and then crutch the build with some tiny heads trying to feed 383 cubes."
unless you are going with used alm heads then you aren't going to get away with less than 1000-1250.00, and then to run a hyd roller cam set up will cost you 250-300 for the cam, an additial 100 over the base price for the springs, and then suposing he does not have a roller block as he mentioned, another 300 for the lifters, then another 30-50 for the bronze distributor gear for a total of 1700-2000.00, where as the RHS heads are 800.00 and a set of hyd flat tappet cam and lifters is around 200.00 for a total of 1000.00
I dont know where you get off thinking that i am recomeding the vortec heads to him when i was recomending the RHS pro action 180cc heads and yes these heads flow 258cfm @ .500", it has been independtly flow tested and published. here are their complete numbers:
RHS 180 pro action heads:
to put this into perspective here are the numbers for the out of box Brodix IK200 alm heads:
.100-not listed
As per science, if something is able to produce the same or a greater amout of flow/air with a smaller diameter tube/runner then the air traveling in the tube/runner will have greater speed/velocity. the whole point of picking a street head is to find a head that flows as much air as possible within the lift range that you will be using while using the smallest runner possible as to creat greater velocity at the lower ranges of the lift where the motor/valves will spend the majority of their time.
"The cooling of the engine is a benefit but the main thing is the ability to up the compression ratio and not detonate. That is something that is FREE that cannot be ignored. Put an iron head on a 383 and run it at 11.5-1 and try to run pump gas. You will have to tune it pig rich and take timing out."
This does not always work, take my motor for example, i am running 11.2-.3:1 with a 106LSA cam that has an early intake closure, my dynamic compression ratio is well into the mid 9:1's and no i can not run on only pump gas when i drive on the street i have to run 1gal of 110 for every 2gal of 91-93octane. now sure i could tune it and advance the timing so far that i could run on pump gas but i would also loose around 10% or my power getting there.
@ Joelster
I figure i can get to the bottom of what we should be aiming to recomend here by simply asking:
To the OP, do you want a motor that will be in the 400-425hp range or do you want a motor that will be in the 500hp range.
as with each range our recomendation will be different.
Now with the RHS Pro Action heads, I will probably need a different intake, correct? The edelbrock 7516 said it's made to fit Vortechs/E-Tec. It looks like the Pro Torkers from RHS are Vortech style, but looking at the one's you recommended, I'll probably need something like this?
Edelbrock 7501 - Edelbrock Performer RPM Air-Gap Intake Manifolds - Overview - SummitRacing.com
It says stock configuration. I'll tried looking it up for these heads, but didn't see it.
yes, you will need a different intake manifold. my advise would be to sell the vortec style one on either ebay or craigslist. they normally sell pretty easy.
then look on ebay or craigslist for a used performer rpm intake like this one
EDELBROCK INTAKE MANIFOLD SBC CHEVY 305 327 350 400 V8 PERFORMER RPM 7101 | eBay
in IMHO stay away from the air-gap intakes, do a search on this forum about them and then form your own opinion is what i would suggest.
you also mentioned not knowing what to do for a distributor, here
White Performance Detail Description
you dont have to get the clear one, they also have them in red, black, and i think blue.
and as i mentioned i would not go with the 650DP carb, it will work yes, but i dont think that mechanical secondaries is what you are looking for. i think that this carb would better suit your needs and this carb is pretty much one of if not the most popular carb that Holley ever made. they have a very good reputation for being quality. I have used 3 so far with absolutley no problems. but as with all carbs you may have to tune it once you acutally get everything put together so it suits your motor. there may be some that claim to be but not many (if any) carbs are "plug and play".
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with the howards cam i recomended, the RHS heads, 3310 750 carb, HEI distributor, the 9.6:1 that the 64cc chambers and 18cc dished pistons will give you, and all tuned correctly is the recipe for a 425hp/450tq 383 (385 in your case) motor.
now be sure to look up quench/squish before you buy a set of head gaskets so that you get your quench @ around .040-.046".
with these 3rd gen f-bodies you will need to do some work to the suspenion and the rear to get it to hold this kind of power. I would either recomend you get a set of moser or strange axles, a better aftermarket carrier, and some stronger aftermarket rear gears. all of this will cost you around 1000.00
UMI Performance 2205-B - UMI Performance Transmission Mounted Torque Arms - Overview - SummitRacing.com
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these served me well when i had my 355
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you will spend some money but you have to pay to play, when i put my 385 in my camaro (under the old set up which made 500hp/490tq) I grenaded my rearend within 3 weeks, and that was with street tires, and only giving it about 1/3-1/2 throttle. I looked into fabricating in a 9" ford rearend but once i looked into the Moser 12 bolt direct replacement rearends i found the 9" rearend was going to be more of a hassle since i already had all the suspension parts i wanted and they would bolt up to the new Moser 12 bolt rather easily where as with the 9" is was going to require a good amount of work.
good luck, i hope that all the $$$ signs you just saw that you will likely need to have a stable car didn't scare you off. take your time, do it right, and in the end you will love what you end up with.
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7.5- 7.625, you are talking about a ring gear .125" bigger. WOWSER, not going to make much of a difference. Yes, I have seen them last, with upgraded axles, posi's, girdles, covers, and then they are $1200 10-bolts, that still can't handle the power of a 12-bolt, or a 9" or a Dana. The ring gears are simply too small, no way around that. A 12-bolt has an 8.75" ring gear a 9-inch has a 9", and a Dana has a 9.75". They are like watching a porcupine play with a balloon. Hit them hard enough and they will pop. No SERIOUS enthusiast would stick with a failure prone part. Run a street tire with an auto trans and they will last a long time. Put a sticky tire on and you are playing with fire.
"Hrmm, that's funny, because 93 pump is all I run. My quench is .040, static is 11.77-1. My dynamic is right around 9.3-1 as well. My car only runs mid 10's at 130 though. I'm headed to the track saturday shooting for some 10.3's hopefully 10.2's at 131-132ish. But what do I know. I would say you probably have a tuning issue, too much timing, too lean or have WAY too hot of a plug to not be able to run pump. I know guys with 12.4-1 static engines with milder cams than mine that run pump and also run 10's. A bone-stock LT4 engine had 10.8-1 compression and a cam with hardly any overlap. Care to guess what the dynamic is on that motor? Cam has 203/210 duration, intake valve closes 31 degrees ABDC. OOps, it has 10.29 dynamic. Those cars run on 91 octane as recommended by GM. Putting your car as an example doesn't mean you are right."
Acutally my motor was tuned while on an engine dyno, not in my backyard. If i wanted to change the tune then yes i could run on pump gas, but since i said it was tuned on a dyno i have seen first hand exactly what my motor wants and likes, we went through multiple combinations, between different carbs, intakes, timing... The setting we stuck with was the one that ran the most consistant over multiple pulls.
if you would actually read my posts to this guy, you would see that i am not telling him that this rear is strong, i have flat told him that it is the WEAK point in the build. Yes the ring gear is small is weak but a softer aftermarket ring gear can handle 400hp. i have offered him some ideas that will help make it a bit stronger. WHAT HAVE YOU HONESTLY CONTRIBUTED TO THIS THREAD BESIDES ATTEMP TO ATTACK ME as the OP has blatently stated, he is looking for 400hp, can you, me, and 500,000 other people tell him how to build way more than 400hp out of a 383, DAH but that is not what he has stated that HE WANTS
To the OP, I hope that is "bickering" back and forth between Joelster and I hasn't put a bad taste in your mouth about this site. I certainly hope that you continue to ask questions when the arrise. and I certainly hope that the advise you get is ment for what you are looking to do, not someone elses idea of fun.
You are defending the 7.625 saying how much better it is than a 7.5 when both are weak and prone to failure. That is very misleading to someone looking for info. I sold my stock rear with Richmond 3.73's to a friend of mine and he popped it at the track running 7.9's in the 1/8th. Richmonds are softer than stock. 10-bolts from 3rd and 4th gens are garbage for anything except cruising.
I offered solid info in post #13, then you countered in post #14 puffing your chest about your 11 second 3rd gen. Who attacked who? Here's what I posted, pay attention:
"If it's an '87+ block it should be a roller block. That would be a big plus. "
"They will have to clearance the sides for the stroker crankshaft. Down by the oil pan gasket."
"Iron heads will be cheap, but Vortec heads flow roughly 220cfm give or take a little, and will be adequate for a 383cube engine. I would put an aluminum head with a minimum of 195cc port that flows minimum of 250cfm. Something like this will do:"
"Excellent intake, can't go wrong with that. "
"It's better to buy everything as one package to save a few bucks. Try ohiocrank.com to see what packages they offer. Their cranks are made in the USA."
"With an aluminum head you can go much higher on the compression than that and sacrifice virtually nothing. I run 11.77-1 and run pump 93. It will run on 91 octane but I don't push it when I run it on that. Personally I would shoot for 10.5-1 to play it safe and still make power."
"That cam is very mild for a 383. Your hp goals are very low and I'm sure you'd probably hit them or be close with the parts you pick, but next year you may want more power. Just trying to save you on a teardown for next year!"
This is another thing I posted:
You act like I'm trying to change his whole build. I'm just offering advice from seeing a year or 2 down the road. I think he will want more power.
@ Joelster have a good one buddy
@ The OP, i'm sorry that we've hijacked your thread man, i hope that you still got some valuable info between it all. feel free to ask questions and continue searching on this site as it is full of great informations and plenty of great people willing to help you.
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Going TAD for training to Fort Mc Coy Wisconsin.
What is there to do around there? More importantly, what is the best sporting goods / gun / hunting store?
I'm over tattoos, bars & "buy me drink" chicks... Too old, fat & married for all that anyhow.
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In July, 2008, an FBI report suggested there was an effort on the part of domestic terror groups to recruit disgruntled veterans or even those in the armed forces. The report, which came out while George Bush was president, elicited nothing but yawns from Republican congressmen or the conservative media. But, expressing the same concern during the administration of Barack Obama makes a world of difference to the Rush Limbaugh fringe in this nation. Fury and anger erupted from Republican leaders and Rep. Steve Buyer of Alabama, rose to the height of bombastic rhetoric by announcing, "it is inconceivable to me that the administration considers them(veterans) a potential threat." For some reason, Mr. Buyer seemed to buy the same statement from the Bush administration as a perfectly thoughtful comment.
The Homeland Security analysis simply said white supremacist and Neo-Nazi groups were trying to recruit disgruntled veterans or soldiers. Glen Gardner of the VFW, quietly commented "a government that does not assess internal and external security threats would be negligent of a critical public responsibility." Rush and his cohorts are defenders of anything stated by Republicans but will not tolerate such insults if made by Democrats!


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Kris Jenner stopped by Access Hollywood Live on Thursday, where the reality TV star dished on everything from daughter Kim Kardashian and Kanye West's new baby, the future of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians," husband Bruce Jenner's alone time at their beach house and her hew talk show!
Here's what the reality TV maven had to say:
On Kim and Kanye naming their baby North : "I was kind of expecting something a little different, because I know the two of them and I knew they would pick something unique. She explained to me, 'North means the highest power,' so, they said north is their highest point together... I think they chose [the name] together."
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On Kim and Kanye's courtship : "There was just a really nice friendship and a bond there for sure. ... He's amazing, he's a really cool guy. He's a softie."
Whether she'll reveal North baby photos on her new talk show "Kris" : "I don't think we've made any kind of decision right this second. She's just over a week old, there's no plan... just right now it's about they're happy and happy and home and doing fine and resting.
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Did Kim & Kanye make hospital employees sign nondisclosure forms? : "No, I don't think so. We were just out of the way. Totally out of the way."
On her relationship with Kanye : "He's just a big teddy bear. ... We get along really good, but we always have. I've known him for a really long time. He's been a really close friend of the family, 10 years maybe. I met him through the kids. I would talk to him on the phone, lots over the years."
Kris' embarrassing cell phone incident with Kanye : "My ringtone is 'Gold Digger.' That's my secret of the day! The other day the phone rang and he was standing there, and it was like, 'a Gold Digger!' I'm just like, 'This is so embarrassing!' It was funny."
On why husband Bruce Jenner spends time away from the family at their beach house : "We got a place out at the beach for him to get away a little bit because it does get a little congested in my house. [After] 23 years, it's amazing to have a little bit of space. So it's kind of fun. He sleeps at home."
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On her feelings about Scott Disick & Lamar Odom : "[Scott] is amazing. We were like oil and water in the beginning. I did not like him... I just didn't understand him and now he's grown up and the minute he had kids, [he became] this amazing dad and he just turned into one of my favorite people. We hang out, just to go hang out... we have like little dates. I think Scott would love to get married. I don't want to speak for them, but I will, I don't think Kourtney is as into it as I thought she would be. She's just sort of a free spirit. ... And Lamar, oh my God, Lamar Odmom, he's delish!"
On how long "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" will go on for? : When it doesn't become fun anymore or when we're not happy, then you're like, 'Maybe it's time.' But, we're having such a good time, all of us. And when we're not doing it, we miss it.
How "Kris," her daytime talk show, will stand out from other TV competitors : "It's fashion and fitness and beauty and cooking and food and just all sorts of stuff, along with a lot of pop culture. And I'm going to have a different co-host every single day. ... It's more lifestyle related than just pure celebrity talk show. ... I think it's going to be fun to show people the things that I'm interested in."
"Kris" premieres on July 15.
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Natalie Neuwirth Earns Horizon League Swimmer of the Week Honors
By: Ryan Hartwig (@GBHartwig)
GREEN BAY, Wis. (GreenBayPhoenix.com) – After accumulating six total wins and helping the Phoenix to a championship at the IUPUI House of Champions Invitational over the weekend, Green Bay freshman Natalie Neuwirth (Stevens Point, Wis.) has been selected as the Horizon League Women's Swimmer of the Week, the conference office announced on Tuesday.
"I'm happy that Natalie had the opportunity to receive this honor," Phoenix head coach Jim Merner said. "Just like all the other women on the team, she has been working hard toward her goals, and she is starting to realize that she is a very talented young lady. There are great things in store for Natalie, and she's just starting to show what she is capable of doing. We're very happy for her."
Neuwirth was on four winning relay teams and also won two individual events as the Green Bay women ran away with the title at the three-day, eight-team House of Champions meet in Indianapolis. The Phoenix finished with 1,819 points, well clear of second-place IUPUI (1,391).
Neuwirth raced to solo wins in the 200-yard IM (2:05.98) and 400-yard IM (4:29.76), and also finished second in the 200 backstroke (2:03.22). In relay action, the newcomer helped the 200 free (1:35.91), 400 free (3:30.17), 400 medley (3:50.93) and 800 free (7:36.07) relay squads to first-place finishes.
It marks the first such award for Neuwirth, who becomes the second Phoenix swimmer to earn Women's Swimmer of the Week honors this season (Parker Wolf (Kohler, Wis.) – Oct. 29).
The Phoenix men and women are off from official competition until Jan. 11, when they host Horizon League foe UIC at the Peter F. Dorschel Natatorium.
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yes i do,i collect them as part of my hobby
Where do you hang them all?
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Where do you hang them all?
i hung them in every room in my house and ones left over will be in storge
SOme scarves, gift sets, nothing really particular
a 14 foot long tom baker style stripy scarf
Hangover so hopefully this year is gonna be better
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AHELO (Assessment of Higher Education Learning Outcomes) Feasibility Study
• The purpose of the AHELO feasibility study is to assess whether it is possible to measure what undergraduate degree students know and can do at the international level, in order to provide better information to higher education institutions, governments and other stakeholders, including students and employers. This will entail an evaluation of the scientific feasibility of undertaking an international assessment of higher education learning outcomes (in generic and subject-specific skills) at the end of a Bachelor's degree programme, as well as gauging the feasibility of its practical implementation.
Objectives and outputs
• In 2012, the assessment instruments developed in 2011 were implemented internationally in 249 institutions from the 17 participating countries and regions. The data were then analysed by the AHELO Consortium and the first volume of the AHELO feasibility study final report was released in December 2012.
Non-member countries involved in the activity
Colombia, Egypt, Other, Russian Federation
Main Developments for 2013
General aspects
• Technically, the AHELO feasibility study has now been completed in December 2012 with the completion of AHELO contracts.
• Work in 2013 will only involve
- the preparation of the remaining volumes of the AHELO feasibility study reports
- and their discussion at a conference to be held on 12-13 March 2013 in Paris.
Education (INES activities)
• To produce and publish indicators and analysis on the operation, evolution and impact of education, from early childhood through formal education to learning and training throughout life. The collected data cover the outputs of educational institutions, the policy levers that shape educational outputs, the human and financial resources invested in education, structural characteristics of education systems, and the economic and social outcomes of education.
Objectives and outputs
• Production of indicators on the financing of education, participation in and graduation from education. Indicators on educational attainment of the adult population and associated labour market outcomes, teacher salaries and work conditions, and instruction time are provided by INES Networks LSO (Labour Market, Economic and Social Outcomes of Learning) and NESLI (Collection and Adjudication of System-level descriptive Information on Educational Structures, Policies and Practices).
- The main publication is "Education at a Glance".
- In the 2012 edition, new indicators focus on:
- the effect of the global recession on education expenditures;
- the state of early childhood education systems around the world;
- intergenerational mobility in higher education among different socio-economic groups;
- the impact of education on macroeconomic outcomes, such as GDP;
- the specific factors that influence the level of education spending in different countries;
- career expectations among boys and girls at age 15, as compared to higher education graduation rates by field;
- the makeup of the teaching force in different countries and training requirements to enter the teaching profession; and
- the impact of examinations on access to secondary and higher education.
• Ongoing methodological work includes: students' mobility and graduation comparability study, conceptual framework for the measurement of knowledge and skills, development of efficiency measures and consolidation of tertiary indicators. The UOE data collection is under revision because of the implementation of ISCED 2011. New questionnaires will be available in May 2014.
Non-member countries involved in the activity
• Argentina, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, South Africa
Education database
Main Developments for 2013
General aspects
• Education database will benefit from the OECD.Stat and MetaStore developments. Trend data will be reviewed. Data and indicator development will include improving the quality and relevance of the tertiary indicators on entry, graduation, tuition fees and student mobility, further developing the indicators on educational efficiency and on upper secondary completion rates . A programme of work will also continue to review comparability issues with the international education classification (ISCED) and to develop solutions to tackle these.
Data collection
• New quality and timeliness standards for data collection and indicator compilation will be introduced.
• Inclusion of a new questionnaire on non-teaching staff.
Data management
• None
Education and Social Progress
• Education and Social Progress (ESP) project will:
- analyse the role cognitive and non-cognitive skills play in fostering measures of well-being and social progress in OECD countries; and
- identify how skills that matter can be better developed in formal, non-formal and informal learning environments including family, school and the community.
Objectives and outputs
• This project is specifically designed to treat multiplicity of skills, diverse life-outcomes and causal effects. We shed light on the multi-dimensional nature of skills by analysing batteries of non-cognitive skills as well as cognitive skills. We demonstrate the wider-benefits of skills by incorporating a variety of social outcomes in addition to education and labour market outcomes. We tackle the issue of causality by employing longitudinal data in dynamic latent factor models that assume many of the key inputs (i.e. skills and learning contexts) to be unobserved and some observed inputs to be endogenous and measured with significant errors. In this way, the ESP project will make a unique contribution to the scientific literature at the intersection of education, economics and personality psychology. The key policy messages derived from the conceptual and empirical analyses will be the main outcomes of the project. Note that this project is expected to contribute to strengthening the conceptual framework and evidence-base that underlies the OECD's Skills Strategy.
Non-member countries involved in the activity
• Brazil
Indicators on Skills, Mobility and Job Quality
• To provide OECD members with a statistical tool for better understanding the relationship between skills mobility and job quality at the local level. This activity has contributed to the OECD Skills Strategy and part of the data is published on the skills.oecd.org website
Objectives and outputs
• LEED has developed a statistical diagnostic tool to better understand the balance between skills supply and demand at sub-regional level. In 2011-12 this tool is being applied in a broad set of countries, drawing on available data at TL3 level to produce composite indicators of supply and demand. Data is being collected for a number of indicators including qualification levels, productivity, occupational structure, wages and unemployment at sub-regional level and analysed by the Secretariat. The work has fed into the OECD Skills Strategy and the results are available at the skills.oecd.org website. The website will be updated as soon as new results are produced
Main Developments for 2013
General aspects
• Additional tests for the identification of benchmarking groups
Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA)
• The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) was created by the OECD member countries in 1997 to produce direct assessments of student performance, on a regular basis in an efficient, timely and cost-effective manner; and to provide more relevant and powerful indicators of human capital. PISA produces assessments of reading literacy, mathematical literacy, scientific literacy and a growing range of cross-curricular competencies among 15-year-olds in school.
Objectives and outputs
• The results of the 5th PISA cycle, PISA 2012, will be published in December 2013. The initial report will provide comparisons and progress reports of 15-year old students' knowledge and skills in reading, mathematics and science (with a focus on mathematics) in the 64 countries that participated in PISA 2012, including all 34 OECD countries. In several volumes, the initial report will look at how successful countries are at moderating the impact of social background and improving equity in the distribution of learning opportunities, and how different education policies and practices shape learning outcomes. In addition, each month a short note on a specific policy-oriented topic is released in the PISA in Focus series.
Non-member countries involved in the activity
• Albania, Argentina, Brazil, Bulgaria, China, Chinese Taipei, Colombia, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cyprus, Ecuador, Georgia, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malaysia, Malta, Moldova, Other, Panama, Peru, Republic of Montenegro, Romania, Russian Federation, Singapore, Slovenia Former, Thailand, Uruguay, Venezuela
PISA 2009 international database
Main Developments for 2013
General aspects
• The main study of PISA 2012 was successfully conducted in 2012, thus preparing for the analysis and reporting of the results from December 2013 onwards in international as well as national reports. Preparation is underway for PISA 2015, which for the first time will have a computer-based assessment at its core, while maintaining measurement of trends to previous cycles and allowing for countries that are not ready for computer-based assessment to opt for a paper-based version. Preparations for an assessment of students' collaborative problem-solving skills were initiated in 2012 and will continue in 2013 with the possibility of including the domain in the PISA 2015 survey.
Programme for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies (PIAAC)
• To identify and measure differences between individuals and across countries in key competencies and other economic and social outcomes believed to underpin both personal and societal success; assess their impact on economic and social outcomes; assess the performance of education and training systems in generating the required competencies at the levels required by social and economic demands; and identify key policy levers that lead to enhancing competencies and their effective utilisation.
Objectives and outputs
• The main achievement for 2013 is to publish a report along with other derivative products on the PIAAC data collection conducted in 2011-2012.
Non-member countries involved in the activity
• Cyprus, Indonesia, Lithuania, Russian Federation, Singapore
Main Developments for 2013
General aspects
• The first report on PIAAC will be republished along with other related products in October 2013.
Teaching and Learning International Survey (TALIS)
• To provide data and indicators on the learning environment in schools and about the work environment of teachers, as part of the OECD education indicator work.
Objectives and outputs
• The further development of indicators and analysis of teachers, teaching and learning through further analysis of the first round of TALIS (thematic reports on the working experience of new teachers and on teaching practices and innovation) and preparation of a second round, for which data collection is scheduled to take place in 2012 and 2013. TALIS focuses on the learning environment in schools, sampling teachers and school principals and aims to provide cross-country data, indicators and analysis on factors influencing effective teaching and learning and the working environment of teachers. The focus for the core survey of second round is lower secondary (ISCED Level 2), though countries also have the option to survey elementary (ISCED Level 1) and upper secondary (ISECD Level 3) schools and to perform a school-level linkage with PISA 2012.
Non-member countries involved in the activity
• Brazil, Bulgaria, Croatia, Latvia, Malaysia, Republic of Serbia
Main Developments for 2013
General aspects
• No changes since the previous year; the programme is still in data collection mode for the main study.


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Im just wondering, becasue I am in the market for a 2012 wrx and LOVE to have my music sound good.
This is a discussion on Does the sound system in the 2012 really suck that bad? within the Electronics/Car Audio forums, part of the Interior Mods category; Im just wondering, becasue I am in the market for a 2012 wrx and LOVE to have my music sound ...
Im just wondering, becasue I am in the market for a 2012 wrx and LOVE to have my music sound good.
My friends dad has the 2012 sti and its okay, but there is much better. Upgrade it though, for about 500-600 bucks you can have a great sound system! Get the rex!
You're not paying for a great stereo system when you buy the WRX/STI. For a little bit of money, you can upgrade it.
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I actually think it sound's pretty good. Obviously it could be better but the quality of sound for a stock stereo is good.
yeah, im going to be coming from a dodge cummins with awesome sound system, and its going to be hard. I know im not buying for the sound, but was just wondering how the system, stock sounds.
And I was also lookin at getting the factory sub that will go in the rear of the 5 door. That will help im sure.
For what you pay, you're going to be disappointed. You can get a better setup for cheaper aftermarket.Originally Posted by Jonny1106
$300 for 100W? No thanks...
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If it's anything like the 2011s, you're going to be disappointed. I came from a Dodge Ram and the stock stereo on that vehicle is leagues better than what I have in my rex. Me installing a Nameless didn't do it any favors, either.
FM and AM suuuuuuuccckk to no end. bluetooth and aux blew me away, sounded like a new radio. i also installed a sub and amp using the factory radio.
I def. noticed how the sound system is really bad on this car ("12 wrx) when I first drove it off the lot from the dealer. My old 03 350z had boss sound system and it sounded much much much much better. Radio is so bad I don't even bother listening to it and the best I can do right now is download 320k sound quality musics and listen through usb.
Currently saving money to buy pioneer p4400bh series
Sterio is terrible, by far the worst I've heard. For a new car. I have a 2012. I'll be replacing everything this weekend. Head unit and all speakers. No woofer.
^^^Thats actually what I'm getting haha
Dont touch the speakers until you change the head unit. No sense in ditching money you dont need to spend. Seriously, with a proper x-over the 6" speakers in the doors are good and crisp down to 100hz without any clarity issues at all.
Add a solid sub, my setup is very simple.. rockford 10" woofer in a audio integrations enclosure and a small kenwood amp. Pioneer head unit (anything over 14w/ch will work nicely) and since mine was a base and didn't have sail panel tweets I bought the panels (under $20 each), put some leftover blaupunct's in them attached to factory wiring.
It sounds great for minimal effort. Seriously, dont bother changing out the door speakers until you change the head unit. You'll be pleasantly surprised when it comes to life with more power.
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But yeah in Subarus...start with the head unit. Like most cars, it's the weakest link.
Why no woofer?
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This is highly subjective...some people will approve of their OEM system in a car because it's able to be turned up loud. I'm on the snobby end of this kind of thing, though I wouldn't categorize myself as an actual "audiophile"...in 30 years of driving, I've yet to buy a new car and be happy with the stereo. Nothing that better speakers and HU can't fix.
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Great Robo. This thread changed my whole thought process about starting a new hive. I have read posts about taking frames and bees making a queen, I will not do that now. Oh, take multiple frames out with the queen cell. Thanks.One more: Should I wait until she is capped before taking the frame?
My opinion is you taking a more risky approach, and unfortunately worst case is you won't know for sure until late in the fall and have a queen fail.I like to think of it as more of an experiment. I can't get a queen until after the flow in S.E., NC and my 2 hives were bursting due to a very warm winter where there was a small flow that got the bees going nuts in Jan. I had to do something.Are your current conditions ideal for rearing queens? If it is swarm season in your area, that is a good sign, but doesn't necessarily mean the particular hive has and abundance of resources.I know there are many things to consider and I hopefully have covered them all. I had three deep boxes-two of which were jammed-w-bees, brood & honey/pollen and the third had some nectar, honey and, in one case, eggs. I plan on keeping a lot of honey in reserve in case I have to combine hives in the fall if there is a failing queen plus we generally get a fair fall flow that adds as well. I do plan on getting into queen rearing next year but it is too late this year-w-too many chores ahead.
I would. Too much can happen to the egg or larvae prior to having the cell capped. The cap adds a bit of protection, including making sure the cell contents don't get flushed.