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Hi guys, normally I'd post this in the lounge but I guess it really should go into the body and exterior forum. I started sanding on the old 38 DeSoto awhile back (after primering) I applied some tiger hair type stuff to fill in the smaller dents etc. After wet sanding the filler it seemed to take forever and the paper would tear after a short while. I should have used more aggressive paper but was using what I had availible. Anyways sanding is a total bore to me so I have put off this part of the build as much as possible. One day I was looking through the auto section while waiting for my wife at Wally World and found this sanpaper that claims to last three times as long and dosen't hardly clog. I thought what the heck the price is reasonable so I bought it. I finally forced myself to go out and bore myself with some more sanding and to my surprise I've sanded with this paper for an hour and it still seemed in relatively good usable shape and I used no water. After boring myself with this sanding job I was relatively impressed with the product so I thought why not speed this up and use my palm sander. WOW! It sanded the area in just a few miuntes. I like this stuff. If it warms up outside again I might get enough (I have lots of sanding to do) ambition to get it all sanded and ready for paint by this winter. Here's a pic. The left side is after sanding with the course grit. I haven't got to the finer grits yet and the right side is what it looked like before I started sanding. Maybe a lot of you guys already use this stuff but it's my tip of the day if you haven't tried it yet. Sure seems to make a boring job go much better and faster. (faster that's the thing for me :thumbup: ) It's 3M sandblaster sand paper.
I could hardly get past the part where you wrote that you are using Tiger Hair for small dents. That's some serious punishment you are giving yourself, 38 special! When I have to use Tiger Hair, I sand it with... a grinder! Seriously, you might as well trowel on some concrete! Tiger Hair has its place, for me it's used mostly in fiberglass repair. If you have worked those dents out as well as you can, there is no reason not to use a high quality plastic filler like one of Evercoat's Rage series that will last for many, many years and save you lots and lots of elbow grease!
Yea I am with crashtech. No wonder you hate sanding.
Get some decent filler and you will find it easy.
Besides its about impossible to handsand tigerhair to a decent "flat" finish by hand. you can get it smooth but unless you are using really coarse paper it wont be flat.
i also tried that sand paper and i also love it, its really amazing (well not that exciting, hell its sandpaper :D ) but it truly works well
Basics of bondo types
"Regular" polyester body filler, and polyester "putty" is basically the same thing. They are both, you guessed it "Polyester" based. Polyester is what fiberglass is made of. The fillers have talc and some other components that give it "body", that is the basic difference between fiberglass resin and polyester body fillers.
The Putties have a finer ground talc than "regular" filler. They cost MUCH more, but are well worth it for skim coats and minor repairs. Being they are polyester they use a hardener and CURE like fiberglass.
The old "spot putties" DO NOT use a hardener and are simply lacquer primer . They are JUNK and should not be used.
Some examples of these products are as follows.
Reinforced polyester fillers:
These can be aluminum filled body filler for metal surfaces. I is very hard to sand and not good for the finish work (needs a skim coat of a reg filler or polyester putty) but will fill much more per coat reg filler and has more corrosion resistance.
A Fiberglass reinforced filler is similar.
Examples are:
Evercoats Metal-2-Metal, Everglass, Kitty Hair, Tiger Hair
3Ms 05815 Short stand filler, 05813 Long strand filler.
"Regular" polyester body fillers:
Evercoats RAGE or "Lite weight" and others.
3M's Lightweight body filler #058001
Polyester putties:
Evercoat's "Polyester glazing putty", "Easy sand" and others.
3M's "Flowable finishing putty"#05824 or "Piranha"#05821 .
"Spot putty" (junk, not recommended) Usually found in a toothpaste tube looking container.
Evercoat's "Ever-glaze" #403
3M's "Acryl-green" red or blue #05960,05964,05966
Duponts 2286S, PPGs DFL17
I personally recommend Evercoat products.
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Basics of Basics Plastic filler
By Brian Martin
What ever tools you use the trick is to not add the last "skim coat' till you KNOW that it is all you need. Don't try to block out that first coat, just use it as a base for the LAST skim coat.
I was taught this procedure after doing bodywork for a number of years and it really works well:
Just apply a nice coat of filler (what ever brand, whatever style, we will put that aside right now). Cut that coat NOT to make it perfect, but to get the basic shape and filling you need as a base for the skim coat. You can cut it with 36 40 or 80 depending on how big the area you are working is. In other words, if you can cut it fast with only 80 then do it. But I would say that this would be limited to an application that is no larger than about 8 inches.
If you happen to have a few high spots, see if you can tap them down.
If you have a few low spots add a bit more filler to ONLY those spots.
Re-cut these last low spots you have just filled with the same grit you have been using (most likely 36).
If you now have a surface that ONE skim coat will fill, then apply it. If you don't work with it a bit more, but NEVER add a little here or there and think you will finish it without a skim coat.
If you have a surface that is very close with only a few VERY MINOR low spots like poor feathering onto the metal, poor transitions from one application of filler to another, or from the metal that is "poking" up here and there you can do the LAST skim coat.
This skim coat is very important, you want it to extend over the COMPLETE area, this is well past the damage you have been working. Maybe as much as 3 inches past the plastic that you have applied to "rough" it out.
This skim coat can be regular filler or a polyester glaze like "Icing" or "Polyester glazing putty", that is your choice, I use both depending on the size of the area being worked. Do not use anything that doesnt mix with a hardener. NO Spot putty in a tube, only polyester putties or fillers. If it uses a hardener, it cures to a hard film. The spot putties stay soft and can become even softer when the solvent from the primer coats it.
You now run a block, long board, or hog evenly over this skim coat with a little bit coarser paper than you plan on finishing with to cut off the resin that has surfaced in the filler. I usually just use the 36 or 40 or whatever I have been using on the "rough" work. BUT take CAUTION not to cut much off, you want to JUST take the very top, don't really sand AT ALL.
Now finish sanding with your longboard or block or hog or whatever using the finer paper like 80 on a large area or 120 on that small 8" sized area. Block it out to perfection with a nice feather edge to the surrounding metal.
I can't stress enough, the trick is to know when just ONE LAST skim coat will do the job. And apply it COMPLETELY over the surface. If you only one little low spot in the middle, DON'T just do that spot, skim the ENTIRE thing. You HAVE to have one LAST skim coat over the ENTIRE thing every time. If you get in the habit of this you will do it over and over on every dent you repair and find that you can do just about any dent with just two applications.
As you sand the filler let the board or block you are using run over the surrounding metal. If you only work on the filler you will sand it too low. You need to keep it as high as the surrounding metal, so use the metal as sort of a straight edge that you run the block or board off of.
Dont worry if you cut through this skim coat here and there. In fact, you WILL most likely cut through. The point of that "LAST SKIM COAT" is that after you add it, you don't add ANY MORE filler. That "LAST SKIM COAT" is just that, the LAST filler you add. If you hit a little filler below, or metal, that is normal and fine. The only thing you are looking for at that point is if the panel is FLAT. The filler skim coat is serving no other purpose than to finish you filler work, it is not a "sealer" or anything like that.
You can add fiberglass resin (A coat if you have a choice.) Adding resin was exactly how I learned from the great Emery Robinson (my personal hero in the auto body world). But remember there were no products like polyester putties back then. When you add resin, that resin comes to the top of the film of filler. It is then something you have to deal with. The whole purpose of the SKIM COAT is to put a layer of filler over the top that is easy to block out with as little effort as possible. You want to be able to concentrate on making the panel FLAT, not fighting with gummy resin, sand scratches and the like.
So the polyester putty, though expensive, is what I use.
How is this for an idea: a co-worker of mine showed me this very obvious tip. :)
Add pour-able polyester putty to the regular filler! What an idea! LOL A little pour-able squirted into the "bondo" really thins it out nicely.
The "LAST SKIM COAT" should be left to cure a good long time. Where you may jump on filler and sand it as soon as it is hard, the skim coat should be GOOD AND CURED for an hour or more. If you can of course, in the production shop you may not be able to wait that long. The benefits of the procedure will not be diminished.
A little added note, I have found that I dont use 36 or 40 grit at all anymore. I went to work at a shop that didnt use the coarser grits so I had to learn not to also. I have found that using just the 80 and then finishing the Skim coat in 120 or 180 works great, even on large panels.
At this shop it was the first time that I wasnt doing my own primer work. This meant that I couldnt cheat with a lot of primer and blocking the body work one more time. I found that I had to get the work PERFECT, then give it to the painter. I did this in an interesting way, I look at the last skim coat as even a more final step. I now look it as primer. You see I have used polyester primer, which is like spraying bondo. They are both polyester resin based and act and sand very much the same. So, I figured why not just spread out my primer as the skim coat! It has worked GREAT, the painter jokingly says, do you think Ill need to prime this or just paint it? I tell him, Just clear it, its a shame to hide that work under primer.
This method has worked great for me, its more of a state of mind than a procedure.
And dont be afraid to buy the best sand paper and use a lot of it, the cost of the paper will be nothing next to the time and muscles saved. Find the paint store in town that services the PROS the Body shops in town, that is were you will get the right stuff and the right info.
3M has always been my standard for testing sandpapers as they've always offered the best cutting longest lasting abrasives, Carborundum is far less expensive and equal to if not better than 3M IMO. The other brands I've tried don't even come close to this level of performance.
Thanks MARTINSR for more great advice! I can see why sanding was such a chore considering the choice of fillers, but I'm one of those "weird" guys that doesn't mind sanding (not saying that I love bondo--the idea is to use as little as possible). I see it as just one more aspect of the overall resto or rodding project. I get excited with every new area I start on my Corvair. Each job is bringing me closer to completion, but sometimes I wonder if I will be a little sad when that day comes, because I love the "roll up your sleeves and get dirty" type of work. Anyways, just my 2 cents!
BTW: Thanks for the sandpaper info!
Martin Sr.,
Can you please explain the best reasons/applications for using a product like Metal2Metal? I was working with a Body man who swears by the stuff for restoration work, and I came away confused as to why you would use it versus, say, Rage Gold or Extreme-
Thanks Marty/guys, you have to remember this is my first rod and I thought that the tiger hair would be the strongest most durable thing I could use on the old 38. It's all on there now so I have a lot of sanding to do. I notice on shows like Boyd and Foose that they seem to cover the whole entire car with putty. Geese! Cruiz I've been working on this project for 4 years and have been excited about each thing new I've learned but even when I work in my wood working shop I hate the sanding part. I guess it's too boring and repeticious for me. How's the corvair coming? Thanks again for the lesson, Marty. :thumbup:
Fun And Easy
Hey, Mr "I hate sanding", one final tip about slinging mud; don't ever, ever wet sand filler, as the filler will act like a sponge and cause disastrous results under neath the filler called iron oxide, more commonly known as RUST. That is what we are trying to get rid of in the first place, Right? Keep practicing with the put it on and sand it off method and you will be a pro in no time, really. Good luck!!
Honestly, I think if gives your body guy a warm gooy feeling, that is about it.
It's appeal is due to the fact that it looks like lead, even though it is no better than any other plastic filler, and in fact has some disadvantages, IMHO.
I never used the metal 2 metal brand, but a place I worked used all metal filler on the aluminum parts they fabricated. The stuff will set up like a rock and be hard to sand if you wait awhile. Also seemed to get quite a few pinholes to be filled. Its pricey when compared to standard plastic filler. It does seem to have more fill to it though. I was always under the impression that it was good to use first on an area you may have a possible pinhole or something much like fiberglass filler because it didn't absorb water, but after reading the other comments on it, I am now not so sure. Plastic fillers get a bad rap because so many people misuse them, but they are a good product if used correctly. If you do hack work and trowel it on an inch thick and fill holes with it, it won't last or can crack, if used correctly it will last a long time.
How's the corvair coming?
Hey 38 Special,
Thanks for asking about the Corvair; I know it's not a hotrod, and some still don't consider them as "cool" restos, but I love mine. As far as the progress goes, I'm afraid I am having to pack up for the coming Winter since I don't have a garage. I am just about finished with the floorboards--just need to buy the patch panels for the front floor and weld them in. I also have the trunk just about ready for the spatter paint. My goals for next Spring are to drop out the engine to get ready for a complete overhaul (as money provides), and strip the entire body one panel at a time. If money is free, I hope to do all the patch panels (rear wheel wells, etc.) on the body. I'm having a ball!!! I plan to post more pictures soon.
Ps: I agree; sanding isn't too glamorous, just a necessary evil :D
Thanks Jeff, I didn't know that either. Live and learn, eh? :thumbup:
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Congrats on your new G23! Enjoy.
so i just bought a glock 23. i was stuck between the glock and the XD, and i just felt more comfortable with glock's history and great track record. now i'm looking to get my concealed license. what should i look for when looking for a good class?
Congrats on your new G23! Enjoy.
Gongrats on that new gun now go out and shoot the fire out of it.
This is my first post. I joined to do some research for my first handgun purchase. My favorite so far is the Glock 23. I originally was thinking about the Glock 30 but after taking a look at the 23 at a gun show this last weekend I may go out and pick one up. I still want to look at the XD as well. I will be headed to the Bass Pro Shop this weekend to take another look.
Congrats on your new Glock.
yea, i looked at both the XD and the glock, and they both felt pretty good in my hand, and they both have a good rep, it's just i somehow felt more comfortable with the glock, maybe cuz of the great service you can get from the company. everyone says glock is great, and everyone says the XD is great. to me, the real difference was the 150 bucks. lol, just had a kid, so money's tight, but the wife wanted me to get a handgun for the house. so far i like it, just went out and fired it up today and it felt great! a little different than the 1911 i used to shoot with my old man, but i like it! it's all personal preference i think...
dlsalva: Sir; congratulation now you need bullets and practice
A mighty fine decision: CC know and understanding your responsibility.
Looking for a place to do your CC class. Find somewhere close, reasonably priced and 1 day event.
In NC; don't know about other states requirements; pricing is from $75.00-$150.00. They use the same information. Having now enjoyed going with friends [4] different; State regulates the information. State Testing material. Reasonably simple.
I use the DOJ [NC Department of Justice} as my resource when my questions come up.
Practicing is quite important and the more you practice the more familiar, develops more confidence.
Follow up with a range report with pictures
You'll need to convert to 9mm for "overseas use." I haven't seen a single round of .40 here in theater.
Lots of good instructors in Texas. I am sure the HGF Texas Mafia will be along shortly with recommendations.
Where are you from in Texas? In the Dallas area, I'd recommend the Bullet Trap in Plano. I am going there in March for my CCW - they throw in a test fire rental (big selection) and one or 2 range days.
Congrats! Great choice, I have one in OD Green.
i'm from houston, but right now going thru some intel school at goodfellow AFB. soo soo boring...but oh well. just changed career field to become a predator sensor operator.
I'm right at a year ahead of you. Just 12 short months ago I purchased my first gun as well. It was a G23 also. Now here I am with 4 handguns, 5 long guns, and a silencer.
You should run away from forums like this unless you want to end up like me and all the others around here. They will do nothing but help feed the addiction. They are not your friends...

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I'm about to do this process almost item by item except I have a heavy compounding step in mine at 18k miles so far.
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2012 Sterling Gray Metallic Ford Focus w/ Cquartz FINEST - TLC Auto Detail
Hi everyone, we had another Ford Focus in the shop today. This vehicle was scheduled to get the full Car Pro treatment which included Cquartz Finest, DLUX on the trim, and FlyBy30 on the glass.
When we recieved the vehicle it was filty. It wasn't just dirty, but it was also caked with road salt and chemicals from the light snow we have gotten lately.
We started with the wheels using Iron X on the wheels, and Blackfire APC on the tires and wheel wells. We finally got to try out our new Wheel Woolies, and we are huge fans of them! Not sure how we survived so long without them!
Here is how the wheel, tires and wells turned out at the end.
We then moved to the paint. We sprayed down the car to remove any loose dirt, then did an APC foam soaking to break up as much as possible. It was freezing outside so we didn't get any pics of the wash. After the wash we noticed some overspray from a recent trip to the bodyshop, so we did some very light spot claying on the rear hatch and bumper as well as the rear doors.
The paint was in amazing shape, but since it was getting coated we wanted it perfect. We ended up going over the paint with a finishing polish that we have been testing for Car Pro. It doesn't have a lot of cut, but it cleaned up any marring left over from the clay, and gave us a great finish the coat.
Before the coating, we removed the rear emblems per the customer's request. We used a heat gun and some floss to remove the letter, and then cleaned it up with some IPA, and then buffed the area with Fixer to remove any marring from the removal process.
We then did a full wipedown of the paint, glass, wheels, and trim with Eraser to make sure the paint was perfectly free of oils so that the different products would bond. We started with FINEST which was applied to every inch on paint, and all four wheels. We cured it under the hot halogen lights to make sure it would be good to go by the time the vehicle left our shop. We then applied Car Pro DLUX to all of the plastic and rubber trim on the exterior. This product is so easy to apply, and will protect the trim for well over a year. It also does a great job of bringing back faded trim. Finally with used FlyBy30 to coat all of the glass on the vehicle, and again, backed it under the warm lights.
Finally with applied two coats of Car Pro PERL to the tires and here is how the car turned out. I want to say, I love Opti-Guard, but I don't think it even comes close to FINEST in terms of looks. FINEST makes every vehicle I apply it to a glossy, mirror like finish. Combine that with the amazing swirl resistance and hydrophobic properties, and you have a real winner!
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Wednesday, September 12
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As soon as we touched down in Athens yesterday afternoon, it felt like the NextGen Series had started in earnest for us.
As much as we enjoyed our first match against Marseille, the fact it was at home meant it didn't feel radically different to many of our other games. But now we are in a very hot and sunny Greece, it has really brought it home that we are in a European competition.
I am sharing a room with Sead Hajrovic, but luckily he is not a snorer so it has been an easy experience for me! It is a bit more fun to share than be in on your own - you end up going to other people's rooms anyway to watch DVDs, play cards and computer games. It has been really good fun so far and I know everyone is really enjoying the whole experience.
We appreciate that we will be favourites for the match tonight, considering we beat Marseille 3-0 and Olympiacos lost 4-0 to Athletic Bilbao in the opening round of fixtures. But we also know it is going to be far from easy.
We have been training really well and had two good games against Everton last week, but this is a whole new level and we have to put into practice what we have been doing over the past few weeks.
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Thanks for this information, I don't know why people would want to put tea tree oil on an animal anyway, it's a pretty strong oil?
I put a bit of tea tree oil in a bucket of hot water with floor cleaner to clean my wooden floors - gives a lovely smell and gets rid of dog smell, people also use it to remove stains. I wouldn't put it on a human or an animal.
[QUOTE=Heidigsd;5345385]You really have some nerve! I am the one spreading misinformation? You just seem to like to argue with people don't you? If you want to use "all natural" remedies on your dog that can kill them go ahead...who is stopping you? If you want to read the article then pay for it.
There is so much misinformation posted on this board every day that it makes my head spin but as long as it comes from certain people there doesn't seem to be an issue right?
I hardly post on this board anymore for this very reason but made an exception...my mistake...it won't happen again...now please leave me alone!!![/QUOTE!] You posted a link folks are free to dig further if they want ! Job done!
I'm pretty sure there are folks that argue that the world is till flat!You can find folks that can explain why the sun won't come up tomorrow! Porsche board..I swear I've seen it happen! You posted a link, it said it was dangerous, those that care can go from there!
Now everyone that sees this knows that Tea Tree oil is not Coconut oil! I say job done!
|I use tea tree oil in the dogs shampoo. It helps with that wet dog smell, keeps them smelling cleaner longer and I don't have to bath them as often as I do when I don't add the tea tree oil into the mix. I keep it away from the cats. Have never had a problem with any kind of reactions from the dogs. Dilute it properly and there shouldn't be any problems. It's an effective natural anti fungal. When used improperly, like anything else, yes, there can be negative effects.
|I'll use Usnea , totally safe , very effective .
People are going to be skeptical when you post a claim that comes from a single article that isn't even open to the public to review. Numerous other vets, as well as numerous dog care products recommend/use tea tree oil. Even using it without dilution, I've never heard of a case of toxicity. Maybe you could link an article where a dog has suffered ill effects after its owner used tea tree oil.
Tea tree oil is pretty harsh and can dry out the skin if not diluted, but the smell is aversive enough for the dogs I've encountered while using it to not even want to put their noses near it!
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Toxicity of melaleuca oil and related essent... [Vet Hum Toxicol. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI
Cases of melaleuca oil toxicosis have been reported by veterinarians to the National Animal Poison Control Center when the oil was applied dermally to dogs and cats. In most cases, the oil was used to treat dermatologic conditions at inappropriate high doses. The typical signs observed were depression, weakness, incoordination and muscle tremors. The active ingredients of commercial melaleuca oil are predominantly cyclic terpenes. Treatment of clinical signs and supportive care has been sufficient to achieve recovery without sequelae within 2-3 d.
Topical tea tree oil effective in... [Dtsch Tierarztl Wochenschr. 2004] - PubMed - NCBI
After 10 days of treatment, success rates of 71% for the tea tree oil cream and 41% for the control cream (over-all efficacy documented by the veterinary investigator) differed significantly (p = 0.04), favouring tea tree oil cream treatment. Accordingly on day 10, the tea tree oil cream caused significantly faster relief than the control cream (p = 0.04) for two common clinical dermatitis signs, pruritus (occurring in 84 % of dogs) and alopecia. Only one adverse event was reported in the tea tree oil group (suspected not to be causally related to the study drug) and none in the control cream group. The tested herbal cream appears to be a fast-acting safe alternative to conventional therapy for symptomatic treatment of canine localised dermatitis with pruritus
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I don't think it is a good thing to post that something is toxic in general and then not back it up with any information, except a link that specifically states that 100% oil is toxic in large doses and in much smaller doses when ingested. While that is important information for people to know, I have never seen anyone suggest to use it in one of those ways.
It is not against board rules to quote a small amount of text and cite it. Without any information to back it up, you are essentially spreading misinformation, which is against board rules.
There is so much misinformation posted on this board every day that it makes my head spin but as long as it comes from certain people there doesn't seem to be an issue right?
I hardly post on this board anymore for this very reason but made an exception...my mistake...it won't happen again...now please leave me alone!!!
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I don't mean to step in the middle of this poo pile but I have a confession to make.
I put it straight from the bottle onto Traveler's hot spot. I didn't know to dilute it! I did it for probably 3 days straight. Worked like a charm and he's not dead nor did he (90 lbs GSD)suffer any reactions. My DH used it straight on his toe nail fungus and it did the job in a matter of a week.
Can someone explain about the dilution requirement and if it's standard procedure to use all essential oils in dilution?
Gosh, to think I could have killed the dog really creeps me out. Thanks for any info.
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'"I think where the real rubber meets the road is from July 6th on," Quinn told Brian and Nick. "Most of the success of the Sabres comes from the development from within. Where you're going to see the improvement is from further development of people that need to get better." He specifically mentioned Derek Roy and Thomas Vanek as players who still haven't reached their full potential.'
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Quinn: Success Comes From Within
Nashville nabs Ellis
'Kassian goes to a Buffalo organization that was dying to add a big, physical presence. He had 24 goals and 63 points in 61 games along with 136 penalty minutes. "The work's just starting now," he said. "There are no guarantees (to make the team) and you're playing versus men to play in the NHL."'
Saturday's Zack Kassian Coverage
Interest high in Kassian (Peterborough Examiner)
Kassian won't have to play waiting game (Windsor Star)
Kassian likened to Lucic (Windsor Star)
Kassian declines Russian league (Peterborough Examiner)
Sabres select rugged RW Kassian with No. 13 pick
'Kassian is expected to continue developing in the juniors next season.'
Sabres select Kassian with No. 1 pick
'"He was a player that we felt strongly about," said Sabres General Manager Darcy Regier. "You're always talking about taking the best player, but it's tough to ignore when the needs match up with what you feel is the best player. I think he'll be a really good fit."'
Sabres' Myers helped foe grow
'"Playing against a guy like that, who's definitely going to be in the NHL next year, being that big and that strong — an NHL-style defenseman — really helped me improve my game and show me where I need to be," Kane said Thursday. "That definitely helped me see what it's going to be like in the next level."'
Help hardly on the way for Sabres
'Appearing Monday on WGR Radio, Regier nearly made me drive off the road when he said the team was "still on the upswing." The upswing? The upswing? Remind me to head for cover when we approach the downswing.'
Ruff faces Olympian task
'"I'm humbled, first of all, because there's a good number of my peers that could easily be in this position," Ruff said. "It's a tremendous opportunity to be involved in something real special."'
Sabres plan bulk for farm
'"Most of (the draft picks) will return to the collegiate level or play junior hockey," said Buffalo General Manager Darcy Regier. "They're a year or two away."'
Sabres GM Regier maintains patient approach
'"They really have to look at themselves first and then at each other and, starting with themselves, say, `How can I help this team?' And then, looking at each other, say, `How can I help you help this team?'" Regier said. "I think we're at a growth stage in this organization where not only can they do that, they need to do that."'
Sabres find talent in roundabout way
'Of the 291 first-round picks in the 10-year span, only 33 failed to make the NHL. The Sabres' three no-shows account for 9 percent of those failures, tied for most in the league. Edmonton, New Jersey, Phoenix and the New York Rangers also whiffed three times. But the Sabres are able to unearth contributors in the ensuing rounds. In fact, they do it at a better rate than the last six Stanley Cup champions.'
Ruff will be assistant for Canada in Olympics
'Ruff will help head coach Mike Babcock along with Ken Hitchcock and Jacques Lemaire.'
Free Agency Crunch Time
'Let's start by freeing up some extra money off the current roster to give Regier a little more flexibility on the open market. However possible, I would rid myself of three bad contracts — Jochen Hecht ($3.8 million!), Toni Lydman ($3.1 million) and Henrik Tallinder ($3.25 million) — by making some moves at this weekend's draft. Lydman should be able to fetch a higher draft pick than the other two, but Regier may have to settle for seventh-round picks for Hecht and Tallinder, if he can move them at all. Assuming some team bites on each of those trades, Buffalo would be down to $36.389 tied up in current contracts.'
Same old, same old for Sabres?
'The scrutiny and pressure Regier and Ruff will face could be at an all-time high. The Sabres had to announce in April the duo would return for a 12th season. Despite their impressive resumes, Buffalo has missed the playoffs two straight seasons and five of the last seven. Any other team would have canned them years ago.'
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How do you find your way in an age of information overload? How can you filter streams of complex information to pull out only what you want? Why does it matter how information is structured when Google seems to magically bring up the right answer to your questions? What does it mean to be "findable" in this day and age? This eye-opening new book examines the convergence of information and connectivity. Written by Peter Morville, author of the groundbreaking Information Architecture for the World Wide Web, the book defines our current age as a state of unlimited findability. In other words, anyone can find anything at any time. Complete navigability.
Morville discusses the Internet, GIS, and other network technologies that are coming together to make unlimited findability possible. He explores how the melding of these innovations impacts society, since Web access is now a standard requirement for successful people and businesses. But before he does that, Morville looks back at the history of wayfinding and human evolution, suggesting that our fear of being lost has driven us to create maps, charts, and now, the mobile Internet.
The book's central thesis is that information literacy, information architecture, and usability are all critical components of this new world order. Hand in hand with that is the contention that only by planning and designing the best possible software, devices, and Internet, will we be able to maintain this connectivity in the future. Morville's book is highlighted with full color illustrations and rich examples that bring his prose to life.
Ambient Findability doesn't preach or pretend to know all the answers. Instead, it presents research, stories, and examples in support of its novel ideas. Are we truly at a critical point in our evolution where the quality of our digital networks will dictate how we behave as a species? Is findability indeed the primary key to a successful global marketplace in the 21st century and beyond. Peter Morville takes you on a thought-provoking tour of these memes and more -- ideas that will not only fascinate but will stir your creativity in practical ways that you can apply to your work immediately.
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Peter Morville is president of Semantic Studios, an information architecture, user experience, and findability consultancy. For over a decade, he has advised such clients as AT&T, IBM, Microsoft, Harvard Business School, Internet2, Procter & Gamble, Vanguard, and Yahoo. Peter is best known as a founding father of information architecture, having co-authored the field's best-selling book, Information Architecture for the World Wide Web. Peter serves on the faculty at the University of Michigan's School of Information and on the advisory board of the Information Architecture Institute. He delivers keynotes and seminars at international events, and his work has been featured in major publications including Business Week, The Economist, Fortune, and The Wall Street Journal. You can contact Peter Morville by email (firstname.lastname@example.com). You can also find him offline at 42.2 N 83.4 W or online at semanticstudios.com and findability.org.
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Our look is the result of reader comments, our own experimentation, and feedback from distribution channels. Distinctive covers complement our distinctive approach to technical topics, breathing personality and life into potentially dry subjects.The animal on the cover of Ambient Findability is a Verreaux's sifaka (Propithecus verreauxi). A rare lemur found only in Madagascar, the sifaka spends most of its time in trees, feeding on fruit, flowers, wood, bark, and leaves.Two unusual traits distinguish sifakas from other lemurs. First, when threatened, a sifaka lets out a loud alarm call that sounds like shi-fak -- this odd barking sound is where the animal gets its name. Second, the sifaka is known for its famous dance. Because the trees in the sifaka's habitat are spread out, it is sometimes forced to move across the ground from tree to tree. During these brief earthbound trips, the sifaka bipedally hops sideways and wildly waves its arms in the air. Extremely vulnerable on the ground, sifakas use this "dancing" to ward off predators.Adam Witwer was the production editor and Linley Dolby was the copyeditor for Ambient Findability. Ann Atalla proofread the text. Colleen Gorman and Claire Cloutier provided quality control. Johnna VanHoose Dinse wrote the index.Karen Montgomery designed the cover of this book, based on a series design by Edie Freedman, and produced the cover layout with Adobe InDesign CS using Adobe's ITC Garamond font. The cover image is from Cassell's Natural History.David Futato designed the interior layout. This book was converted by Keith Fahlgren to FrameMaker 5.5.6 with a format conversion tool created by Erik Ray, Jason McIntosh, Neil Walls, and Mike Sierra that uses Perl and XML technologies. The text font is Linotype Birka; the heading font is Adobe Myriad Condensed; and the code font is LucasFont's TheSans Mono Condensed. The illustrations that appear in the book were produced by Robert Romano, Jessamyn Read, and Lesley Borash using Macromedia FreeHand MX and Adobe Photoshop CS. The tip and warning icons were drawn by Christopher Bing. This colophon was written by Adam Witwer.
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More than a decade old, but still very much relevant. It's not often you can say that about a "computer" book. This is one of those philosophical books that meanders from thought-exercise to thought-exercise. There is very little in the way of concrete, "here's what you can do", instruction. Perhaps that is why it remains apropos.I found myself very interested at the beginning, and the (rare for O'Reilly) full color photographs interspersed throughout added to the light ambiance and quick pace. However, I found the middle chunk of the book rather boring slogging, and had to tuck the book away for a while. Luckily, the pace picked up again near the end.Still, I come away thinking "ya, so?". Maybe I'm in the wrong field of IT to appreciate it more. I think those with a greater involvement with IA and IS will reap a more rewarding harvest. That said, I did learn quite a few fascinating nuggets, and I was, for the most part, moderately entertained. I'd give it 3.5 stars if it was an option.
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For voter ID, do not go ask Alicia
posted at 4:07 pm on April 25, 2012 by Libby Sternberg
By now, we're all pretty familiar with the undercover journalism of James O'Keefe. His latest videos feature various phony voters requesting ballots in various towns/cities…and getting them, his point being how easy it is to commit voter fraud without Voter ID laws in place.
Expanding on this demonstration, he's started sending voters into polling places to request ballots in the names of well-known people, usually ones who oppose Voter ID laws. Recently, one of these incidents involved the ballot of Alicia Menendez, a contributor at NBC Latino.
Here's how it went down: one of O'Keefe's workers went into a DC polling place and requested a ballot as Ms. Menendez…but was asked for ID because Ms. Menendez had already cast a ballot. So the poseur left, ostensibly to get her ID, and never returned. O'Keefe's point was made, nonetheless: requesting ID from the voter was a good idea in this case, n'est ce pas?
Menendez, as you can imagine, was not amused. She wrote a column about the piece and also appeared briefly on an MSNBC show late morning where she made a variation on this point:
…there are already systems in place to assure that this type of thing (voter fraud) can't happen. If two Alicia Menendez's (sic) showed up at the poll, the second to arrive would have been given a provisional ballot, and only the real vote would have counted.
In the MSNBC interview, she phrased this slightly differently, saying that her real vote would have canceled out the phony vote. (Not really. If both votes were counted, the phony one would cancel the real one.)
But what if the scenario had been: the phony voter cast her ballot first, and Menendez was the "second to arrive?" Then, presumably, the real Menendez is given the provisional ballot while her identity is verified. Once it is, how would the poll workers know how to delete the phony vote to ensure "only the real vote would have counted?" Is Menendez saying that poll workers can go back through all the votes cast and remove a vote they deem "unreal"?
If so, I'd say that's more a threat to democracy than Voter ID laws.
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Fox's Stuart Varney Misleadingly Claims Subsidizing Student Loans Costs Taxpayers
Fox Business host Stuart Varney misleadingly claimed federal student loans are subsidized "at great cost to taxpayers," ignoring the fact that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the federal student loan program will contribute more than $50 billion in revenue to the Treasury in 2013 alone.
Varney appeared on Fox & Friends July 18 to discuss a deal [1] reached by a bipartisan group of senators to avert a short-term hike in the interest rates students pay for federally-subsidized loans. While Varney mentioned problems with the high cost of attending college and high levels of indebtedness among college graduates, he claimed the deal doesn't solve "the underlying problem which is we're subsidizing all of these loans at great cost to the taxpayer."
While the rising cost of college and high debt levels for graduates are a serious problem, the fact is according to the CBO subsidized student loans do not cost the federal government any money. On June 16, USA Today reported [2] that the May 2013 CBO projection about the federal student loan program showed that the government could expect "a record $50 billion profit on student loans this year." Although the estimates for future years don't take into account the rates in the new deal, on July 18 USA Today also reported [1] that the new Senate deal is "estimated to reduce the deficit by $715 million over the next decade."
A February post at The Wall Street Journal's Real Time Economics blog explained [3] how the federal government makes a profit by subsidizing student loans:
One reason the government continues to make money off of the programs is that borrowers generally can't discharge student debt through bankruptcy, and the government can garnish wages, tax refunds and even Social Security payments to collect debt. That minimizes losses.
But there's another big factor: The government is borrowing at exceptionally low rates right now, while charging students higher rates to borrow.
The 10-year Treasury yield is currently hovering around 2%, up a bit from the historic lows hit in the last year. Meantime, the government is charging most student borrowers an interest rate of 6.8%, a rate set by Congress and which took effect in 2006. (Some borrowers are charged 3.4%, thanks to temporary subsidies approved by Congress in recent years.)
Thus the spread--the difference between the interest rate the government pays to borrow and what it charges to students--is unusually large right now.
The Washington Post's Wonkblog explained [4] that some economists favor a different method of accounting that would include risk factors similar to private sector loans. Using this so-called "fair value" accounting method, the profits from the federal student loan program would vary by year with some years resulting in deficit and others in surplus. However, even according to this different analysis, in 2013 the program is still projected to result in profit.
Democrats such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) have criticized [5] the federal government for ever making a profit from indebted college graduates, arguing that the program is a public good, but that doesn't give Varney license to mislead in this debate.
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Far out in North Carolina
The extensive salt marshes on the Outer Banks of Carolina offer ideal conditions for unravelling the mysteries of sea level change during past centuries. Here is a short report from our field work there – plus some comments on strange North Carolina politics as well as two related new papers published today in Nature Climate Change.
The Outer Banks of Carolina are particularly vulnerable to coastal erosion and sea-level rise, partly because the land is subsiding and the banks are naturally moving landward. On the ocean front, land is continually being lost.
At 11.20 AM we get a walky-talky call from the research vessel Stanley Riggs which anchors a bit offshore from us: a few meters behind us is a shark in the water they say. They've been observing it through their binoculars. We haven't noticed a thing and turn around, but only the student Ray catches a glimpse of the fin before it disappears. We're standing on a bit of peat surrounded on three sides by water, drilling a core. Sharks don't bother us – but the people on the ship are worried about our divers who plan to go in the water shortly. We don't see the shark again – only little snakes elegantly gliding past through the water, heads above the surface, and some crabs, a popular local delicacy.
R/V Stanley Riggs lands our team at Sand Point.
To us as onshore crew, alligators would be far more interesting than sharks. Last week, not far from one of the study sites a man was injured by an alligator. My colleagues reassure me: alligators are nothing to worry about, as long as you can run faster than the slowest person in the group. But everything looks as peaceful as it can be now. The sun glitters on the lagoon, every now and then a group of pelicans patrols over our heads and convective clouds are billowing near the horizon. Sometimes we hear thunder rolling in the distance, but it stays dry all day. What a contrast to the previous day! A cold wind and constant rain bothered us and a series of technical failures meant that we did not even bring a useable core home. A dozen people worked a whole day in vain. (No hint that day of the fact that this May was the warmest on record in the Northern Hemisphere!)
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Dr. Javier Arce, 59, pleaded guilty to failure to report knowledge of a felony to proper authorities, according to a news release from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Western District of Kentucky.
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Sony is going after is suing a 47-year-old Swedish man for leaking Beyonce's most recent album, 4.
According to "TorrentFreak," the label is suing the man for $233,000, accusing him of being behind the leak that made the star's album available to fans two weeks ahead of its official June 2011 release date.
The man's name has not been revealed, but it is believed that he works in the music industry.
The site says Sony has filed legal action against the man in the Gothenburg District Court, saying the leak negatively affected their sales revenues and marketing strategy. The label is also claiming the leak damaged their relationship with Beyonce, as well as her reputation as an artist.
Beyonce's 4 was an international success. It was a top ten hit in more than 30 countries throughout the world, and topped the charts in ten countries, including the U.S.


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Derekm, you noted earlier in this thread that you treated your hives for varroa. Was that just a precaution or did you have a high mite count?What did you use for treatment? Did you consider heating the bees up to kill the mites? With a super insulated hive, this seems like an ideal way to treat for mites in the winter when the bees are broodless (assuming it works that is)I've read a few posts on the bee forums now that heating broodless bees (mites on the bees) to about 46C for 10 minutes has been found to kill most if not all the adult mites. What do you think? A good experiment for your super PU hive?
insulation plus top vent = dehydration. Isn't that what everyone wants?


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The University of Richmond is committed to operating its intercollegiate athletics program in a manner that is consistent with the letter and the spirit of NCAA, Atlantic 10, CAA, Patriot League, Southern Conference and University rules and regulations. The Athletics Compliance Office directs this effort and strives to create a comprehensive compliance program within the University and throughout the community.
The commitment to institutional control is a shared responsibility among everyone associated with Richmond Athletics, including student-athletes, prospective student-athletes, coaches, staff, parents, boosters and agents. The University asks that compliance-related questions or information regarding suspected NCAA rules violations be directed immediately to the Athletics Compliance Office. Please refer to the links below for more information.
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The government of Turkey recognizes it must make changes within existing laws if its application to join the European Union will be approved. Among its greatest needs is overhauling current laws pertaining to organizing trade unions. Among provisions of a new law, the need for worker to pay a notary fee in order to join or quit a union will end. Unions will be allowed to open branches abroad, the minimum age for joining will be lowered to 15 and anyone regardless of being Turkish or not, would be able to start a union. A major source of disagreement between unions and the government is the provision that unions can not begin the process of collective bargaining until they have a 50 plus one membership, unions want to be able to begin bargaining when they have reached a one-third plateau.
Another major source of disagreement is lack of protection for workers who get into conlicts with management. An employer can delay for years requests for collective bargaining. The European Union undoubtedly will be examining the final draft of any new collective bargaining agreement with unions to ensure the rights of workers are protected.


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humm--we shot the shit out of colt 10" and 11.5"s till the gas tubes were white hot with no problems to speak of.
no pigtails, no H-buffer no PRI or gas buster anything , no one-piece gas rings, hell we didn't have anything but the green follower mags, strictly old school no mall-ninja bull-shit. --
and your telling us kinght couldn't even get a shortie right? yea--LOL!
a pig tail is supposed to delay the impulse from the gas port hole and lower pressure by increasing the gas travel & expansion volume. it is a bit longer than a CAR gas tube and it just wraps around the barrel to increase its length.
seems like there is another version of it called a 'big-tube" or some such.
which is just a gas tube that has a bigger internal volume to lower the pressure.
there rarely used less you badly over-gassed sometimes there used on full-auto applications.
but i have never seen one used "seriously".
i guess if i had a hogged out gas port and a plugged can i might fall back on one--but i think i would fix the borked shit first---LOL!
Yeah, well, I picked this upper up from LMT, right when the MK-18s started to become popular with SF units. Now, something I didn't mention, is that I had NO problems unsuppressed. Only when I put on the Knight can. I tell ya, for 1800, my personal opinion on this can-PASS. Too heavy, not enough suppression, horrible zero shift and the damn thing rattles around like a set of Bolivian dentures. I have used a good deal of KAC gear and weapons, and they are starting to go the route of HK, without the quality. Too full of themselves.


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I just got my used glock 21 "first generation" today for $399.00 +tx.
upon inspection i noticed the ejector seemed a bit shorter than other glock ejectors I've owend.
No i did not notice this when i got it but I've been looking for a good used first gen. glock21 for some time now. Now that i find one for the price i could afford I'm wandering if i made a mistake. If so i don't mind buying another trigger housing w/ejector installed to replace. I know @Lonewolf.com they hav'em for about $8.00. I just don't want to buy one if don't need to. Anyone have a pic of a first gen G21 ejector so I can compare????
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|Editor's Note: On the heels of its best season in program history, culminating with a trip to Sweet 16 of the 2011 NCAA Tournament, the Green Bay women's basketball team entered its 2011-12 campaign with a target on its back. Rather than being "hunted" this season by its opponents, the Phoenix has been the hunter, not looking back but rather looking forward and claiming its 14th consecutive regular season Horizon League championship and 12th conference tournament crown. We invite you to join us "On the Hunt" in the NCAA Tournament as Assistant Athletics Communications Director Jill Wunrow gives you an inside look at the Phoenix during its fourth consecutive appearance in the NCAA Tournament.
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I am getting ready to prep an Asok Cold Cast for an ESB layered paint up, mainly using terminal fettler's awesome write-up as a guide. My goal is not to capture how the helmet is now, but rather more what I think it was on-screen. For example, the silver of the CC will be my base layer, and I won't be trying to simulate anything that scratches past what was silver paint into the white of the casting. I am of the camp that finds this implausible, though I can respect the reasons some might like to do this to replicate what exists now.
Anyway, as part of the prep I need to add some nicks and dings, and in pouring over reference photos and awesome paint ups I currently have the following that I need to add (Left and right refer to Boba's Left and right):
-Gouge on Front Left Tusk, about 5/6 of the way up
-Gouge on Front Left Upper Cheek, just under 1/2 of the way up
-Very light chatter marks along lower edge of Left Cheek
-Very light chatter marks along lower edge of Right Cheek
The chatter marks are subject to another Blu Ray study and judgment call by myself, influenced by any comments here.
Am I missing anything? I know there are now some cracks, repairs etc. in the actual props, but I'm leaving that stuff alone unless it is up for debate as to these being intentionally done for the film or not. Oh, on that subject I am not doing the wavy brow on this one, despite the great arguments for doing so (mainly I can't pull it off properly while maintaining the cold cast look).
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I had a h*** of a time trying to make my 45 degree double flare master cylinder fittings and fitting adapters to seal properly. What solved my problem was switching to banjo fittings.
|also the MCPV-1 has a built in metering valve, With 4wheel disc I shouldt need one. Will I have to remove it? or can it stay in there and be ok?
Installing new booster/master
here is what she's getting. Now if I can just get the flares to seal. The two fronts I had to re-do to get them to come up from the bottom. The stainless was a bear to double flare, especially trying to do it in the car. My buddy and I got it though, except they are both leaking.... Went with the CPP MCPV-1 with a 1" bore and a dual 8" Booster Chrome of course.
**The rear end of this car came from a 2004 Mustang GT, so it has the OEM brake calipers.
**The Front end has D52 style GM calipers
**The proportioning valve was a Disc/Drum valve that was modified (as you said It had the fitting/cap between the two front outlets) I was told buy a custom brake specialist to huck that thing into the nearest trashcan.
**I was also told by this custom brake specialist that my problem is more than likely due to the size of the Master cylinder bore which is 1 1/8" He explained to me, and it makes complete sense after thinking about it. I have more volume flowing to the calipers than pressure. Pressure is what I need. He is reccomending that I go to a smaller bore Master Cylinder which will in turn give me more pressure. Thinking back that would explain why it seamed the master cylinder would "bottom out" it was filling the calipers with a large volume of fluid but not enough pressure.
**He also thinks that the 7" dual diaphram booster is right on the edge of being maxed out. I estimated the vehicle weight at 3400lbs, I found a websight that listed a 56 crown victoria with the thunderbird v-8 at 3400lbs, so its got to be fairly close to that. He says the 7" dual boosters are good for about 3500lbs.
I ordered a new combination valve from them and should be getting it tomorrow. But after hearing what he was telling me and thinking it over I was thinking about the CPP MCPV-1 with a 1 inch bore. That way I would get the Master Cylinder I need It has a built in Proportioning valve, its a lot prettier than a Cast iron Corvette Master, Less line and clutter. The Proportioning Valve I ordered was almost 90 bucks shipped. The CPP master seams like a killer deal at 199.00, Big Pretty bang for the buck.
As far as the booster goes, I'm not sure I can go with anything bigger due to valve cover clearence. With the 7" I don't notice any resistance like it is struggling, I might just stick with that.
Any Idea, comments, insight?
Thanks in advance
I removed the complete valve , decided to disect it to see if there was any crap that was in the master cylinder in the valve. I didnt find ant trash but i did find there was no metering valve in the front brake portion of the valve. Please tell me there is supposed to be something in there and that has been the problem.
I ordered a new valve for disc/disc we'll see when it gets here i guess. Ideas?
|I removed the rubber piston from the combi valve as per the CPP tech bulletin. still in the same boat, poor brakes. Going to look for a disk/disk combination valve and give that a shot.
There's a good chance that the booster- if sized for a disc/drum set up- is not large enough. For four wheel disc brakes you need a 7"-9" dual diaphragm or equivalent booster capable of 1200 psi. Usual vacuum required is 18 in/Hg although you might get by w/less, but pedal effort will increase as vacuum decreases. Vacuum reservoirs do not usually help very much; you can look into a vacuum pump if you have inadequate vacuum. But if this engine is basically stock it should be making enough vacuum.
You may need an adjustable proportioning valve, but other valves aren't really needed other than as a warning for system pressure loss, which can be plumbed separately.
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Combination valve problems
Would the wrong combination valve cause poor braking. Yes Here's why.
The disc brake pad is normally in contact with the disc while the drum brake shoes are normally pulled away from the the drum. Because of this the disc brakes are in position to engage before the drum brakes, when the brakes are applied. The metering valve compensates for this by making the drum brakes engage just before the disc brakes. The metering valve does not allow any pressure to the disc brakes until a threshold pressure has been reached.
I suspect with your set up you are getting most of your braking action to the rear brakes and very little to the front.
Try this. Put the car up on jack stands. Have someone apply the brakes with the brake pedal all the way down. Go around to each wheel and try turning the tires. You should not be able to turn any of the wheels by hand. Check to see if the front wheels are easier to turn than the back wheels.
Is your master cylinder on the firewall above the level of the calipers, or has it been relocated to the floor level?
You say you saw some rust in the old master cylinder, you may have some rust in the calipers as well. Did you get clean fluid when you re-bled the system?
Having brake issues since day one.
Ok First post here so Hello to everyone.
A little information on what I'm working with here. The car I am working with in my Grandfathers. He's got the money, I get to drive it and show it. I have been taking the car to shows for about a year now. Its a 1956 Crown Victoria, powered buy a modular 4.6 blown by Kenne Bell, Fatman Fabrications Mustang II stage 3 Front end, Ford 8.8 rear. The car has been fully restored/customized for about 3 years now. Since day one the Brakes have never been right. We have a disk/disk setup on it and the car barely wants to stop with your foot pressing as hard as possible. Between him and I we have put 570 miles on it in the past 3 years, and as stated above the brakes have never been right. Friday I pulled the system apart making sure everything was setup right, as far as the brake pedal, linkage, booster pin, brake line hookup and routing, etc. was all OK. Everything seams to be in correct order.
One thing I did notice was when I pulled the master cylinder off and pressed the brake pedal the booster pin would come out just over an inch or so, when I put the MC back on the booster and press the pedal it will only go in about half the distance like it was bottoming out. I have come to the conclusion there is nothing wrong from the pedal to the Booster. So I figure there has to be something wrong with the MC or the combination valve.
Saturday I pulled the MC to check it, The fluid looked pretty rough, the piston seamed to hang up a bit when pressing it in, after I dumped out the fluid there was quite a bit of rust crud in the bottom of the MC so I ran to the store and got one. By the way it is a dual diaphram booster with a C3 GM master cylinder. I bench bleed the new MC install it and bleed the brakes. Take it for a run, and nothing seams any different. My Grandad came down and told me that when he bought that conversion kit, the car was to be set up with a disk/drum setup. By the time the car was finished it had disk/disk because they ended up using the 8.8 rear end out of the donor mustang.
Now after doing some research I see there are Disk/drum and disk/disk combination valves. since he ordered that kit as disk/drum I am assuming it may have the wrong combination valve in it. Would having the wrong combination valve cause extremely poor braking? Any suggestions? He's getting irritated. And I'm the one to fix it. Here are a few pics for you guys. Thanks in advance
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cobra firearms is making copies of the Davis Firearms and Lorcin Firearms designs, they bought up both companies in bankruptcy. they had been sued over faulty designs resulting deaths by negligent disharges.
cobra is using the original designs on original tools and machines to produce guns that have not improved at all since the original "ring of fire" companies were selling the crap.
quality sucks, reliability sucks, safety sucks, accuracy sucks (if it fires when you want it to)
if i had to choose between spending hard earned self defense money on this gun or taking my ex mother in law out to dinner, i would be picking a restaurant right now. steal a steak knife from the place, you are now better armed.
and yes i have owned pistol from all the "ring of fire" companies and not a single one was better than the the worst


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Most Popular New Year's Eve Destinations
2010 is shaping up to be a New Year's Eve like no other! It's not too late to book a trip and get in on the fun. To help you decide, LastMinuteTravel.com presents North America's most-popular destinations for ringing in the New Year!
Using our proprietary technology, we've collected destination data from our website to find out where North Americans are going to celebrate this New Year's Eve. The top 5 are:
Nobody parties like Mickey and Minnie – and recently Shamu and Spiderman have been getting in on the act too! The Orlando parks go all out for the important night with special fireworks spectaculars and great food and dancing. If crowding into the theme parks will thousands of your closest friends isn't your thing, there are plenty of fabulous New Year's parties all across central Florida. Right now flights to Orlando are very affordable, so why not experience some of Disney's magic for yourself.
Las Vegas
One of the most exciting and colorful places to celebrate New Year's, Las Vegas attracts the wildest people to their growing number of clubs. There are so many options for the New Year in Vegas; toast the "nouvelle année" from the top of the replica Eiffel Tower, party with thousands of others on the Strip as midnight approaches, or watch the festivities from a private suite in your favorite resort. Any are great locations to watch the massive fireworks show that will launch from the rooftops of seven hotels along the Strip.
New York City
The traditional place to ring in the New Year is Times Square. The Big Apple is the center of attention if you want to experience the festive throng and the famed "ball drop". If being outside in NYC's winter weather isn't your thing, there are thousands of great parties to join after you take in a Broadway show or catch the Radio City Rockettes.
New Year's revelers flock to Chicago for the great food and the fun parties. Whether its luxury you want or a party in a penthouse club, you'll find it in the windy city. Just bundle up as it can get a bit chilly out there. Other popular parties include a river cruise or a concert at Grant's park. Both provide you with a front-row view of the fireworks.
Los Angeles
Westcoasters in the know flock to the city of fun and sun for one last fling before the New Year begins. Popular places to party include Disneyland in Anaheim, the Together As One festival to dance into the next decade, and any of the hundreds of trendy clubs in Santa Monica or Beverly Hills where you can see or be seen. My favorite LA parties let you ring in the New Year twice, once at 9pm when NYC drops the ball and again at Midnight west coast time.
Other hot party cities include Miami, San Diego, New Orleans, Myrtle Beach, and San Francisco.


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Discussion in 'Football, Baseball, and Hockey' started by detteam, Feb 16, 2013.
The 4th & 1 stop was awesome, moment of the game definitely. Congratulations.
Hell of a game on both sides of the ball It was beautiful. Kyler Elsworth became a Spartan legend today
our YOUR coach made a nice quick smooth side step to avoid that Gatorade bath. It's moves like that which have endeared him to the Texas Longhorns. Ugh. Do you think he will remain loyal to Sparty if they offer him the big bux?
Great pictures Detteam. I'm going to keep going back and looking at those for the next couple days. I'm so happy for the team and especially Dantonio. Chokes me up. Those announcers all seemed biased toward Stanford. The panel too. They all said Syanford would blow MSU out after the half.
In other news, before the game Prior to Rose Bowl, Mark Dantonio's new contract blooms | CollegeFootballTalk Nice to see you made it out from under the bed, Tater
I like the story about Dantonio visiting the Rose Bowl back in May to tape a "this is our goal speech". As soon as the new Lions coach is hired, he needs to fly out to Glendale, AZ where the 2015 Super bowl will be held and make a similar speech....
Great game. Love the d. Stanford was insane for not passing on the final drive.
Where's nemo? He should be joining in on the celebration.
The beauty of a blog is how retrospective it can truly be. Anyway, epic win by "Big Brother" MSU yesterday. Hell, I would even call them "Big Daddy" now. I agree with Tas in the questioning of Stanford's play-calling. They kept running the ball. Talk about slamming your head into a brick wall over and over again. Despite the close score, MSU was clearly the better team and made great adjustments. Best team in the BIG this season and gives the conference a little bit of credibility after the beating the conference has taken in the eyes of the "experts." An Alabama loss puts them No. 2 in the country.
Why didn't he go to the stadium the BCS is played? Isn't the Rose Bowl similar to the "bronze game" or do they play it at the same stadium?
The BCS championship game is also being played at the Rose Bowl this year. They started re-sodding the field this morning.
Dantonio is now paid top 3 in the conference. So assuming he is " ONLY"third: The previously #3 Iowa guy gets 3.985 and the #2 Michigan gets 4.1. Ohio is 4.6. So Dantonio is likely right at 4 million. But with a " measly 170,000 more than 4 he could be above Brady. Which, as Dantonio says, "why not (me)"?
Gazoo, I deserved that and I'm glad you dug it up. I totally remember making that prediction and thought about how off the "Mark" I was, many times throughout the season. I must admit I really believed it to be true. I'm so glad I was mistaken. What a dream season!! The great thing is that the foundation appears to be in place for many more great seasons to come.
How long did it take to recover from Saban ? Better keep D'Antoni. Saban and the Texas guy are looking at $6-10M depending on revenue, which is already there. * Black - Everything's Coming Up Roses - YouTube *
Do you mean recover from John L. Smith? Saban took Sparty to 3 bowls in 5 years. Bobby Williams came after Saban. He was sub-.500 in 3 seasons.
Yeah after Saban it was down hill. Did J.L. Smith do anything notable ?
What they're saying: Michigan State football 'looking pretty good' to recruits after Rose Bowl win | MLive.com This gives great perspective on what the National media, opposing team and conference, and our writers have to say,. Wow!!
2003: 8-5 (5-3 Big Ten) lost in Alamo Bowl 2004: 5-7 (4-4 Big Ten) 2005: 5-6 (2-6 Big Ten) 2006: 4-8 (1-7 Big Ten)
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With more than 20 years in the business, DJ Jus-Ed has finally become the toast of the underground. RA catches up with the DJ/producer to find out about his circuitous route to success.
It doesn't get any bigger than this: The RA readers choose their Top 100 Clubs in the world.
Dubstep may still be a local thing, but it's no longer local to just one place. RA's John Citizen catches up with Dutch producer 2562 to talk scenes, sounds and area codes.
Richard Carnes catches up with Laurie 'Appleblim' Osborne in Bristol to talk about his roots, the impending death of Skull Disco, and what the future holds for him and his new label.
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The ongoing conflict in Europe over what people can or can not wear on their head resulted in a victory for the turban. A Sikh policeman in Manchester, England, was ordered to remove his turban during training for handling riots and when he refused was subject to verbal abuse. In a meeting with a sergeant, PC Gurmeal Singh was told, "Can you talke that thing off.. this is what you signed up for." Singh claimed the request led to panic attacks, stress and palpitations and he was sick over the issue during the long-running dispute. After a meeting with his sergeant, Singh went on sick leave the next day although reports indicate he had an excellent relation with his superior.
Singh was awarded about $18,000 for loss of earnings as well as physical and mental abuse. The original order was silly, and the resulting mess was even sillier. OK, the sergeant was wrong, but this is hardly the making of a tragic event in the life of Mr. Singh. How about common sense in dealing with such great issues of humankind?


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Obama Demagogues Supreme Court, Big Business Yet Again in Weekly Radio Address
posted at 12:45 pm on August 22, 2010 by Diane Suffern
Another week, another partisan attack from the Chief Executive guised as a neo-Fireside Chat. In the crosshairs this time are "shadowy groups" with "harmless-sounding names" bankrolling campaign ads. Cue menacing music:
As the political season heats up, Americans are already being inundated with the usual phone calls, mailings, and TV ads from campaigns all across the country. But this summer, they're also seeing a flood of attack ads run by shadowy groups with harmless-sounding names. We don't know who's behind these ads and we don't know who's paying for them. (Emphasis mine.)
For a moment, let's savor the irony of Obama accusing the groups in question of being "shadowy" and having "harmless-sounding names" when every one of his pet projects smacks of euphemism. "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act," anyone? But I digress…
Obama again uses his executive megaphone to criticize the decisions of the non-partisan branch of our government, though thankfully less punchy than his shameful State of the Union Address attack on the silent members of the court:
The reason this is happening is because of a decision by the Supreme Court in the Citizens United case – a decision that now allows big corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money to influence our elections. They can buy millions of dollars worth of TV ads – and worst of all, they don't even have to reveal who is actually paying for them. You don't know if it's a foreign-controlled corporation. You don't know if it's BP. You don't know if it's a big insurance company or a Wall Street Bank. A group can hide behind a phony name like "Citizens for a Better Future," even if a more accurate name would be "Corporations for Weaker Oversight."
How dare they interpret First Amendment rights to include businesses and demand that Congress do likewise? The gall.
Clearly still sore over Congressional failure to "rectify" the Citizens United vs. FEC decision, Obama's lecture continues:
We tried to fix this last month. There was a proposal supported by Democrats and Republicans that would've required corporate political advertisers to reveal who's funding their activities. When special interests take to the airwaves, whoever is running and funding the ad would have to appear in the advertisement and take responsibility for it – like a company's CEO or an organization's biggest contributor. And foreign-controlled corporations and entities would be restricted from spending money to influence American elections – just as they were in the past.
You would think that making these reforms would be a matter of common sense. You'd think that reducing corporate and even foreign influence over our elections wouldn't be a partisan issue.
But the Republican leaders in Congress said no. In fact, they used their power to block the issue from even coming up for a vote.
This can only mean that the leaders of the other party want to keep the public in the dark. They don't want you to know which interests are paying for the ads. The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.
Unsurprisingly, the President is less than forthcoming about who stood to gain most from the DISCLOSE Act, and why Democrats lamented the SCOTUS decision in the first place. Under DISCLOSE, unions with clear leftist leanings would have faced little to no spending limits. In fact, under original McCain-Feingold regulation itself, Ed reported in January that Big Labor was doing precisely what Obama criticizes Big Business for: Covertly funneling money into "harmless-sounding" front groups such as Patriot Majority to target Republicans. Where is Obama on that type of "shadowy group" activity? *Crickets*
It is admirable to desire government transparency. Yet, this push, in these terms, is particularly hypocritical coming from the man who accepted millions of campaign dollars from suspicious donors, many of whom were foreign, and recently canned his own Transparency Czar. This is nothing more than pure grandstanding and continued exploitation of executive privileges to bully the opposition in an election year.
You know, for all his complaining about funding of campaign ads, is there a chance he might stop using his weekly address for his own exhaustive campaigning…on our dime?
Don't answer that.


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Congrats. How does it shoot?
Model: 145SSP
Caliber: .45 ACP
Capacity: 10 +1
Barrel Length: 3-1/4"
Porting: No
Action: DAO
Finish: Stainless Steel
Grips: Checkered Polymer
Weight: 23 oz
Construction: Polymer/Steel
Frame: Medium
Front Sight: Fixed- 1 Dot
Rear Sight: Fixed- 2 Dots
Trigger Type: Smooth
Length: 6''
Width: 1.25"
Height: 5.125"
Rate of Twist: 1:16"
Grooves: 6
Safety: Manual Safety, Firing Pin Block, Trigger Block
Order #: 1-145039P
I got it at Sportsman's Warehouse for just under $300 before taxes !!
Congrats. How does it shoot?
Well...... I dunno YET !!! I hope it's as good as the reviews I've read. The weather is pretty awesome in Minnesota right now and I have outside chores to accomplish. I should have a range report on Wed evening because it's supposed to be raining. (That will make for a good range day)
Well, today was an awesome day at the range for me. My parasthesis was minimal and I was hitting right well. To the subject at hand, the PT145 MilPro is DAO, but no biggie. The first 20 rounds were at 5 yards and I found myself pulling to the left (too much trigger finger). I corrected that and was dead on anywhere I aimed. A surprisingly pleasant little gun to shoot. Much more comfortable to me than a Glock 30 I tried. The trigger didn't make my fingers ache while firing the PT145, unlike the Glock 30. It does print just a bit, but it much less noticeable than my full sized PT-100(40S&W), my USP Tactical (45ACP), or my EAA Witness (10MM). The price point on the PT145 Millenium Pro was pretty good, $295.99. All in all, I am impressed. It shot as well, if not better than my other handguns. (No, I didn't take pics of the targets because I don't consider myself THAT good). As for a self defense or carry pistol, I would highly recommend the PT145 Millenium Pro. No fail to feeds, no stovepipes, not a single glitch for the first hundred rounds. I quit at 100 because the range is spendy on ammo and I didn't bring a lot with me. (There is a PT145 Millenium, but Taurus never worked out all the bugs in that from what I understand).
Congrats on the gun - Glad it worked well for you at the range!
Thor I have the PT-145 Millenium (pre-Pro). The "bug" that you mentioned was with the very earliest PT-145's and the problem was taken care of very quickly. The polymer frame was weak and could crack at the rear corner. It would not affect shooting or operation, but nonetheless it was corrected very early on.
I bought mine used about 7 months ago. I did experience a failure to return to battery with mine, and sent it in to Taurus. They repaired the gun with a new trigger/spring, slide release and slide adjustment, and sent it back to me in two weeks at no charge. When I received it, I took it to the range and put it through my own little torture test. I shot FMJ, JHP, and GA reloads. I intentionally limp-wristed, shot upside down, sideways and anything else I could think of to try and make it fail. Not a single glitch! The PT-145 now rides with me every day. What an awesome little hand cannon! I love the way this pistol fits my hand, and the way it shoots.
BTW, congrats on the new addition! You're gonna love it. I like mine so well that I am thinking of getting the new version PT-145 Millenium Pro with SS slide and picatinny rail. My local gunshop owner has one under the glass now, but the price is $350.
Badman, that's the one I got. (not a picatinny rail, but an accessory rail)
I have the same gun with the accessory rail and have 3000+ rounds through it. I have not experienced any of the problems from the previous versions of the gun. When I first got the gun the trigger pull was gritty. At about 2000 rounds it changed substantially and is now buttery smooth.
Here's mine and the last target I shot at. It was at 15 yards, rapid fire, freehand shooting.
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I know nothing about Taurus' handguns but I learned a little bit from you guys on this thread. That looks like a neat little gun and sounds like it is very reliable. Good lookin' too.
I have had a few and never had any problems. I'm not calling them cheap guns but the prices are cheap, You get what you pay for. If your not going to shot the high calabers a lot then no problem. I'm talking mostly the six guns. I've only had one auto and it was a 380 and shoot great. I love their 22 calibers.Originally Posted by Charlie
Thor after a 1000 rounds let us know how you feel about it. I might try one. Can't beat the price and it's dam goodlooking. Looks like a good carry gun.
Any updates on your 145?
This gun crossed my radar recently and I'm thinking it would be nice winter carry gun. I've been loving my XD45ACP and think I might like this .45ACP as well.
My PT145 Millenium Pro is still working flawlessly. It has become my current carry weapon full time.
Congats Thor. Looks like you got yourself a shooter. Good Luck with her.
Congrats! I love mine as well. The DAO pull does get smoother with time.


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The Buddha once said, 'There may be many disciples who stay with me, follow me by holding my hand or clinging to my robes, thereby thinking that they are close to me. On the other hand, there may be some disciples who are far away from me and who have not even seen me, but if their minds are pure, even though they are staying far away, they are indeed very close to me. Those who stay with me but exist only with polluted minds, are in fact not at all close to me.
The above is quoted in "How To Practice Buddhism" written by Ven. Dr. K. Sri Dhammananda.
Does anyone know its original source in the Nikayas? Is that from one of the sutta?