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Thanks to the Doc'(s) and the original poster! This was some invaluable stuff.....once we got past the omni-present naysayers! By trade I'm an Engineer. I know what makes the boat work but, with threads like this, I hope to understand what makes the experience work! I can't help but think that this is what this site was meant to be!
Thanks again, y'all, and keep it coming!
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For First Aid? Have an ER Nurse sailing with you or the ER Doctor, One on the either or both. And let them handle the bloody details.
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Aren't we all always looking for another boat?
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at least the lac wasn't on your scalp... "Hand me that stapler..." Now THAT would've been fun to watch, "hey doc... you ummmm need a hand with that?"
I think the self-sufficiency aspect touches home with a lot of us and I think you make a great point. Going back to the original post, we want to prepare for the potential unseen that comes our way. But it's not always a matter of how much stuff you can shove aboard to overcome poor cognitive preparedness.
For me sailing is as much a thinking game as it is playing by feel.... like a riddle that's fun to solve. Trying to sail close to wind that keeps fluctuating between soft air and strong gusts, finding yourself in changing conditions or situations that require problem solving.... and knowing you (with your crew if you have one) have to figure it out.
Qualified medical crew isn't easy to come by... if you also become a diesel mechanic you could probably hitch so many rides you'd circumnavigate.
btw, my uncle used to have a boat slipped in Lorain, not too far from you. He let it go and is apparently in the market for another (nearing a slightly early retirement selling his periodontal surgery practice)
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Suturing myself in a mirror was kind of like that Ginger Rogers quote - backwards in heels. Upside down and backwards. I'm not brave, though; I had local anesthetic on board.
What I like best about knowing medicine is that it feeds into a strong drive I have for self-sufficiency. I think most sailors have this same goal- we like to be able to handle situations on our own, without outside help. Knowing medicine allows me to spend my time learning the stuff I don't know as well. It's also, of course, a desired skill that I can offer among a crew that are better sailors, or navigators, etc- it gives me a niche.
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I even stitched a cut to my chin using a mirror in my cabin one time so I wouldn't have to cut my sail short.
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Yeah, I'm a residency trained and board certified Emergency Physician for 28 years in a very busy urban ER and level 1 trauma center with between 130-140,000 patients I've personally cared for in my career. I've intubated and resuscitated a few people. I won't hold myself out as an expert on law or even sailing, but I will hold my ground on emergency medical care.
Your analysis of drowning is correct, from a physiologic standpoint. Dry or wet, salt water or fresh doesn't make much difference in resuscitation, you've got to get them breathing, get their heart started, and get their tissues perfused, and once they're stabilized, then you start putting out fires.
You're right about common sense, but isn't that a rare commodity- it's really the application of knowledge and experience, eh?
You're absolutely right. Very few will ever have to resuscitate a person. But we'll all be called upon to treat a burn, a cut, seasickness, even as a coastal cruiser or day sailor, and that's what people should read up on and prepare for. I had a similar episode as yours in the BVIs when my wife sustained a nasty 2nd degree "lap" burn from spilled hot water. Knowing how to handle it turned a painful and potentially trip-ending injury into an inconvenient but tolerable nuisance. Being able to help seasick crew allowed me to finish more than one race that I otherwise would have had to scrub. I even stitched a cut to my chin using a mirror in my cabin one time so I wouldn't have to cut my sail short.
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I'd go with a SAM splint (the longest one that comes rolled up). Pretty cheap ($10-15), easy to use, compact, and lots and lots of splinting uses.
Dunno about the BVM (ambu bag). That's a bulky (and more expensive $20) item that could be remedied with a simple pocket mask ($5). Plus the person would have to be trained for how and when to use a BVM. The pocket mask is easier to use and works fine. Current AHA guidelines support ventilationless chest compressions ("compression-only CPR") with evidence of high efficacy anyway for out-of-hospital cardiac arrest management. Isolated respiratory arrest without cardiac compromise is rare and most likely exacerbation of a pre-existing medical condition such as asthma or COPD. In that case, it takes us back to crew-specific Rx meds and a face mask.
The ladder splint I mentioned sounds like the SAM splint. It's just a rolled-up flexible wire splint, about 4" wide and maybe 4' long when unrolled.
Sailing is not a particularly safe thing to do. There are ample opportunities for cuts, lacerations, head injuries, compound fractures, etc. A good FA kit, not just the WalMart variety of band-aids Hellosailor referred to, really should be a priority.
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@Smith; I assume you're a Paramedic, Nurse Anesthetist or Physician considering you seem to have experience intubating. The near-drowning is an interesting thing to consider. I would imagine the person went overboard and you were able to retrieve them and get them back on deck to find them in respiratory/cardiac arrest. I think the likelihood of survival would be based on a few factors: (this info is for general public and not directed at you smith since you seem to have your finger on the pulse of things)
1. water temperature. As you know (but perhaps others don't) cold water survival rates are much higher than warm water, especially in younger populations, usually due to the mammalian diving reflex that slow metabolism upon dropping into cold water. This usually means longer resuscitation times to allow for warming before determining death. Some may say, "they're not dead, until they're warm and dead." Basically year round along the coast of New England would always count as cold water, and along Florida always warm water due to consistent temperatures. Soooooo fall overboard up north?!
2. laryngeal spasms. A "dry drowning" is due to laryngeal spasms, which still causes asphyxiation by submersion (the definition of drowning); water does not enter the lung. A "wet drowning" is absent of laryngeal spasms and allows water into the trachea and thus lungs. An intubation kit with suction (a meconium aspirator works like a champ to turn your ET tube into a laryngeal suction device) come in very handy here. Usually wet drownings are associated with intoxication or head injury as normal physiological responses are hindered (assuming you got them back aboard quickly).
3. Age. The younger you are the more likely you'll survive a near-drowning. Kids tolerate transient hypoxia a bit better (especially in cold water, as mentioned above).
4. salt vs fresh. This is usually only important is the person is revived after a wet-drowning. In fresh water the surfactant is washed away and causes the alveoli to collapse (atelectasis). When you ventilate with positive pressure you're actually forcing more fluid into the capillaries causing hemodilution (decreasing the concentration of your red blood cells is the key factor here). With salt water, if the person is revived, salt stays in the alveoli and (due to osmotic pressure) draws fluid out of the capillaries back into the alveoli. So a person can wind up with pulmonary edema hours after they've been revived and still have serious respiratory compromise.
5. distance to rescue. Can't do CPR or ventilate forever. Gotta get to definitive care: hospital.
Side note: usually "drowning" is considered death by asphyxiation within 24 hours of submersion, and "near drowning" is death by asphyxiation after 24 hours of submersion. So if you fell in the water and were revived and lived... it wasn't actually a "near drowning" (it would only be called that if you died the next day!).
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Smith, you are probably correct that drowning or near drowning are major or the major concerns on board overall but out cruising away from immediate medical care burns, sprains/fractures and stomach/intestinal upset are probably more of an issue.
I was addressing one point with which I disagreed.
I find it difficult to tell someone what they need in their "first aid kit" without knowing their capabilities and what they're going to be doing. I did, in fact, recommend a first aid kit via private message a few days ago to a man who's a pharmacist with several other qualifications, and who's going to be the medical officer on an offshore race. In that case, I know what he's capable of doing and what he may be called upon to do, and I know what he'll need to do this. In a case like that, I can make specific recommendations. In his situation, this really isn't first aid, but may become definitive treatment.
There have been a lot of subsequent posts addressing CPR, cauterizing wounds, treating shock, and a lot of suggestions that are just plain nonsense.
The best thing the OP can do is learn some first aid, decide what he's capable of handling and is likely to be treating, and prepare a kit accordingly.
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The daycare we sometimes allow are dogs to visit...will not allow more than two dogs at a time in the play fence...and will not leave them unsupervised....you may want to find a daycare with stricter rules....avoid putting that many dogs in an area at one time....
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If your only point of contact after the event was the vet, I don't think you are getting the whole story. There is a supervisor in the room who knows how your dog behaves and how the other one does as well. Perhaps one dog is a bully, that supervisor knows who it is. Have a talk with them and share your concerns and ask for blatant honesty. After that conversation you will know what your options are.
The lights didn't go out and the pit dive bombed your pups leg. But you know that. If it was just rough play and the pit got scared then your dog is still superior in that pairing. Not sure how that plays out next time they meet. Depends on the personality of the pit I guess, so back to a conversation with the supervisor being the right next move.
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|Are there any high school aged kids nearby? Might be an option in a pinch.
i don't think you should take your dog there again whether the Pit
is there or not. call some dog walkers, sitters and see if they'll
travel to your house. maybe you can find a sitter, walker or
boarding, day care near your job.
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Agree 100% the dogs should not be left unsupervised, even for a minute.
The thing is, no one knows what happened, Gauge was on top of the pittbull, they may have been playing and yes both breeds like it rough, however with GSDs play can quickly escalate to a telling off, I see it all the time with my 2, they play really well, then one goes a little too hard and the other tells that one off ......
The fact that your dog was with only one to sustain puncture wounds tells me that Gauge has excellent bite inhibition and is not aggressive. Any dog that bites into another leaving 4 puncture wounds is dangerous.
I don't think the carers at this daycare are in a position to brush this off, it should never have happened and they need to match dogs appropriately, imo they should have taken more care and there is no way I would want my 2 in a small area like that with 15 other dogs.
Gauge will 2 years old, he will be perfectly fine at your property for 10 hours on his own, mine are left for 8 hours 2 days a week. If he stays inside your home, maybe you could put in one of those electronic dog doors so he can go outside.
At his age, he doesn't need the company of other dogs, I'm sure he would be much happier being at his home surrounded by his things and your smells. He doesn't actually need play dates either, all they want is your company and exercise, so a good brisk walk after or before work (or both would be better) is more than adequate.
If it were me, I wouldn't take him to day care and only offer play dates occasionally if you think he likes them, but remember he doesn't need to be with other dogs.
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The only way I'd go back there is 1. those dogs need to be supervised at ALL times, never left alone and 2. since your dog got the worst of it, the other dog would not be there on the days I left my dog.
Personally, since the vet was so blah blah about it, I'd find another daycare since he seems to enjoy going, but at this age, I do think he'd be ok at home a couple days.
Well it sounds like that place is a disaster waiting to happen! So I wouldn't go back either. Do you have a fenced yard, is he a jumper,is a doggie door (with a fenced yard an option, is he safe in the house unsupervised?
Are dog walkers an option, local community college might be a good place to look for someone if there is a local community?
Eight hour stretches is doable and sometimes we've been gone for 10 with Rcoky inside and no accidents but I don't really like leaving him in for that long .
Just throwing some idea's out there.
I'm sorry that this happened. It doesn't sound like an ideal situation though with that many dogs in a small space.
He will be ok home alone a few days for 10 hours. I had to leave my dog for that long 4 days a week and she was fine. I walked her before I left and then took her for a 5 mile walk and played with her when I got home.
If I was going to be gone longer than 10 hours I left her in my truck and then took her out during my lunch break and after work but that wouldn't be possible in Wisconsin right now.
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It... depends. There's no quick answer because it depends on whether we're preparing for competition vs. trying to shore up fundamental skills, and also what we're preparing for competition in (AKC Rally, WCRL Rally, or competition obedience -- each one is different enough that I try to spend at least a couple of days prepping for whatever venue we're doing that weekend).
On top of that we had a pretty disastrous trial yesterday so right now I'm feeling like I don't know anything about anything.
But in general, yesterday excluded, I would say that I have a pretty clear sense of what we need to work on (currently defined as "anything we don't have competition-ready," meaning that either (a) it's not ready for competition at all; (b) I thought it was ready but Pongu blew the exercise more than once at an actual trial so clearly I was mistaken; or (c) we're not actually blowing the exercise routinely but we are regularly losing points on it), and whether the problem lies in the learning of the exercise (a and sometimes c above) or proofing (b and sometimes c).
Most of my training sessions are structured so that we work on new stuff first, while Pongu is freshest, and then go into proofing work after we've done X numbers of reps on the new stuff. I'm working on a BUNCH of different stuff now because we have infinity things that need improvement, so it's a constant rebalancing act.
I'm also working on thinning reinforcement rates for treats/praise and increasing the value of personal (non-toy) play while simultaneously trying to teach, proof, and build value into the exercises themselves, which also affects the order in which I ask for exercises. This means that I intersperse exercises Pongu really likes with other ones he doesn't like as much, and easy ones with hard ones. It also means that I put in play breaks strategically, with an eye toward increasing the value of the exercises he doesn't like so much. So... it's a lot of stuff going on at once.
What you're asking is a really good question. It's just hard to answer because there's SO MUCH that goes into it, and much of it depends on how you train, what your goals are, and what your relationship is with your dog. Also, a lot of this is stuff that I don't consciously think about anymore, so it's hard for me to sit down and try to puzzle it through. But it's a very interesting topic!
Thanks for the great replies guys! It's been a long dark winter where I live and my motivation got thrown out the window and I'm trying to relocate it by getting some outside inspiration. I enjoy seeing how others get things done.
I hope I didn't make my Tosca sound untrained in my original post. I train her a lot and she's wonderful and knows plenty of things but my problem is that I want to train too many things at the same time. So now the plan is to focus on the competitive obedience exercises... and continue training her to bring me beer/soda from the fridge.
mego: That's exactly what she's carrying in that photo! Great looking dog you have btw! I love those fluffy eared dogs.
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|I also wanted to add the order in which Titan learns things.. necessity first. So we learned the basics.. sit, stay, come, down, etc. All the home manners. Then we followed with public manners, then off leash manners. After those, come the ones I just think would be good for him to know. Then the fun ones.
I don't compete but would like to one day. During sessions, we usually start with all the basics that he knows hands down, then we will try a small handful, like 2 or 3 things he is iffy on. Once he has those down after a few sessions, we introduce new commands in a new session. When I introduce something new, I will start with a couple of his solid ones and move on with the new command. Once I feel we have gotten somewhere with it and I want to stop, I end with a few more of the ones he is solid on.
Also, play time is PERFECT for distraction based training. I have started using playtime with Titan as also OB training. Ex: throw the toy while he's in a down stay and make him make eye contact with me. "eyes" is one of the commands he is 90% on but when distractions are involved he loses it. So use your fun time too! Love the pictures btw
also is that one of these toys? :P
There are lots of ways to go about it, and I know I didn't really figure out a good routine until I'd had my dog maybe six months. What I found was that the best way to train is to just make it a part of daily life. Basically my expectations of my dog is that she be well behaved in public and that we start progressing towards Rally competitions. It's not quite that simple, but here is what I do:
Do you train something specific at once or focus on a handful of things or do a little bit of everything?
Other sessions, we just practice everywhere. In the lobby at work, downtown, out in the field, pretty much everything she knows except when we go hiking, which I have a different set of expectations for (hiking is more about good trail manners than obedience per say, different set of skills).
Is there something you train every session while others you do less of?
And here's one photo of what we get distracted doing instead of training for obedience
As far as competition goes, I don't really look at it as different from teaching her tricks because I don't want to be the sort of person who becomes frustrated at getting points knocked off. I never want to get mad at my dog because she didn't do some arbitrary behavior to impress other people for me. If she doesn't sit totally straight, oh well, no cookie, and we'll just work on it. But we're not serious about obedience, it's just something I have been teaching her on the side because it keeps her happy and balanced.
Originally Posted by Kaun View Post
How do you train your dogs for obedience? I'm feeling so disorganized and almost embarrassed that I haven't gotten my puppy further trained now that she's 8 months old.
Do you train something specific at once or focus on a handful of things or do a little bit of everything?
Is there something you train every session while others you do less of?
I'd like to know all you want to share about your training regime.
I need to kick my training up a few notches and am thinking about mapping out how I want to proceed. I really want to be able to get us started competing this year but I sometimes feel overwhelmed, like I don't know where to start and what to focus on.
And here's one photo of what we get distracted doing instead of training for obedience
Research research and more research! I have been reading books this forum and googling YouTube videos. Set your goals and a command list. Always be calm and confident... Never yell. Be quiet dominant. I would start with the touch command and focus along with sit and down. Be consistent. I am new to all this as well but with the guidance of these good people, friends, and some good books my puppy has learned sit paw down focus and touch in two weeks. Training really does create a powerful bond between you and your pup. Always leave your pup looking for more, I find training in 10 minute bursts throughout the day help him stay motivated. I also make him sit and give paw for his food. Remember always reward positive behavior and do not give attention to negative behavior. Hope that is a little bit helpful. If u can a trainer is definitely a great idea!
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No picture has ever made me more jealous ever.
Does she have prey in her mouth?
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