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The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki
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116K and I purchased it new.
94 530i sold (That was difficult for me)
01 530i >144,500+ miles SOLD
06 330XI winter's especially fun drive (SOLD)
10 M3 Sedan (sweet)
13 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
14 Porsche Cayenne Platinum Diesel
15 Porsche GT3
16 Porsche GT4
137,000 - 525iT 2002
Drive train is still going strong and she's always in her element and purring between 85-90mph. Here are my predictions.
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* leather quality
* hydraulic trunk hinge
* front wheel well covers
* foglight
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02 525iT sport M pkg
13 Audi A6
12 Acura MDX advance
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My predictions?
- COOLING SYSTEM CATASTROPHICALLY FAILS: brittle plastic expansion tank, radiator, & thermostat housings that blow up due to faulty plastic mostly at the upper hose neck but also in the expansion tank and thermostat housing (1)
- MID PIXELS SLOWLY DIE: press-fit pink connection tape lifts up over time on MID causing dead pixels (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) [MID removal instructions (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6)]
- CLUSTER PIXELS FAIL LINE BY LINE: press-fit pink connection tape lifts up over time on the instrument cluster causing dead pixels (1) [cluster removal instructions (1) (2)]
- HEADLIGHT ADJUSTERS CRUMBLE: brittle plastic headlight adjusters that simply crumble over time causing the lights to point downward (0) (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (11) (12) (13) (14) (15) (16) & options available (1)
- FAN CONTROL GOES HAYWIRE: poorly ventilated fan-control (FSU/FSR) modules that are practically sure to go haywire due to poor heat-sink design (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) ... Autopsy (1) (2) ...
- BATTERY DRAIN OVERNIGHT: due to FSU/FSR problem above (1) (2) (3)
- AMBER ABS/DSC/BRAKE LIGHTS: tack-welded steel resistance-welded Bosch 5.x ABS control module power wires that break off their gold contact because of being too close to engine heat and vibration (1) (2) (3) ... Abs control module autopsy (1) (2) ... why the diagnostic tools fail (1)
- I6 VANOS SEALS DETERIORATE: they're made out of the wrong materials so that they harden and leak over time causing degraded performance (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)
- V8 VALLEY PAN GASKETS LEAK: poorly designed V8 valley pan gaskets that leak coolant (1) (2)
- REAR DOOR VAPOR BARRIER FAILS CAUSING WATER PUDDLES: improper adhesive used on rear door vapor barrier seals that allow rain water to fill the rear footwell (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6)
- WINDSHIELD MOLDING CRUMBLES: heat labile rubber windshield & back window molding that crumbles in three years due to poor choice of recycled materials (1) (2)
- JACK PADS FALL OFF: plastic jack pads that fall off the underside of the frame due to poor latch design causing jack failures & wind noise (1) (2) (3)
- AIR CONDITIONING ODORS: poorly designed cabin-filter housing drain hoses to clog which leaves causing gym-sock smells from the AC (1) (2) (3)
- BMW ROUNDEL PAINT CHIPS AWAY: cheaply painted BMW emblem roundels that wash away in the car wash over time (1)
- TRUNK WIRING FRAYS ATROCIOUSLY: a badly designed trunk loom wiring harness certain to chafe causing all sorts of light and fuse blowing and locking problems (1) (2)
- FRONT SHOCKS FAIL PREMATURELY VIOLENT SHUDDER WHILE BRAKING: OEM Sachs shocks fail causing violent shudder upon front-wheel braking on bumps (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6)
- POWER WINDOWS SUDDENLY STOP WORKING: low-quality rear-window regulators that stop the windows from closing (0) (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (11) (12)
- AMBIENT TEMPERATURE SENSOR BREAKS OFF: low mounted ambient temperature sensors practically designed to be ripped off on a parking curb (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)
- CUPHOLDERS BREAK EASILY: front and rear (nearly useless) cupholder replacement strategies (1)
- POWER STEERING RESERVOIR CAP LEAKS OILY MIST: constantly wet power steering reservoirs due to poor O-ring design (1) (2)
- POWER STEERING HOSE DRIPS ATF ONTO ALTERNATOR: power steering hose clamps practically guaranteed to leak (1) (2)
- ALTERNATOR FAILS PREMATURELY: most say this premature failure is due to power steering leaks just above it so do a rebuild BEFORE your alternator fails catastrophically on you (1) (2) & how to prevent leaves in your alternator air-intake duct (1)
- WOOD TRIM CRACKS SPONTANEOUSLY: wood trim whose varnish cracks and whose cd cover doors rattle (1) (2) (3)
- PLASTIC VENT TRIM CRACKS SPONTANEOUSLY: plastic trim around the air vents which invariably crack at the corners (1) (2) (3)
- SEAT & STEERING WHEEL CONTROLLER BREAK OFF: seat covers that don't protect switches for both the steering wheel tilt & driver's seat control (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8)
- SEAT CABLES BREAK: seat cables that fall out causing seat twist (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) & accidental airbag light fix (1)
- WINDSHIELD WASHER RESERVOIR PUMP LEAKS: windshield reservoirs prone to leaking due to an ill-fitting pump o-ring gasket (1)
- CCV FAILS: crankcase ventilation valve diaphragm tears, freezes (1), &/or clogs (1), necessitating CCV replacement (M54,M54,M54) (M52,M52) (M52TU) (M62,M62) ('99 528i) ('98 528i); raising pressures, often causing the OFH oil filter housing to leak (1); frequently blowing the VCG valve cover gasket (1); and sometimes the head gasket (1); often causing vacuum leaks (1) (2) (3)
- SAP CLOGS or FREEZES (1): the secondary air pump (SAP) valve (aka diverter valve) clogs, taking out the SAS (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7)
- IGNITION SWITCH FAILS: ignition switch that fails causing electrical problems (0) (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)
- MAF CLOGS: the mass air flow sensor (MAF) and idle control valve (ICV) require periodic cleaning (1) (2)
- THRUST-ARM BUSHINGS TEAR: fluid-filled thrust arm bushings that crack and tear causing vibrations at speed (1) (2) (3) (4)
- DISA VALVE FLAP BREAKS: the DISA valve flap breaks, sometimes with parts sucked into the intake manifold (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8)
- CENTER CONSOLE CAUSES PAIN: a nearly useless console design that just begs to be replaced (1) (2) (3)
- BASIC CAR/KEY SETTINGS COST about $100 at the dealer to modify basic user settings, e.g., automatic door-lock settings (0) (1) (2) & Easy-DIS unlocking (1)
Last edited by bluebee; 11-21-2010 at 09:08 AM.
Blue, simply amazing.
Now I gotta order a BMW roundel as mine is chipped. It cost me poiints on the evaluators sheet at the BMW national Octoberfest.
94 530i sold (That was difficult for me)
01 530i >144,500+ miles SOLD
06 330XI winter's especially fun drive (SOLD)
10 M3 Sedan (sweet)
13 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
14 Porsche Cayenne Platinum Diesel
15 Porsche GT3
16 Porsche GT4
Around 65k kilometers here
Blue,I agree that is amazing, and thanks.
"Straight roads are for fast cars, turns are for fast drivers." -Colin McRae
1995 M3-cosmos black(E36)
1998 528I-schwartz black(E39)
1999 328IS-steel blue(E36)
1995 540IA-orient blue(E34) 5/6 speed swap soon.
267k km.
Automatic transmission-no reverse and then rebuild.
Cooling system.
CCV and hoses.
Valve cover gaskets and check valve cover for possible cracks (burning oil smell).
Vanos seals.
Oil filter housing gasket.
Shocks, Control arms, miscellaneous suspension parts R&R.
Cd changer, if applicable.
Rear subframe bushings (Wagon).
Headlight adjusters.
Frayed trunk cable harness.
Driver door master window module (good clean-up of all contacts).
Power steering pump and related hoses, clamps,etc.
Angle eye bulbs (facelift headlights).
Leather restore (Leatherique works great).
Most, if not all this was done after 100k miles (160k km).
1997 528i, now 111,250 miles, bought a week ago Enjoing so far but has CEL and SRS light on to go...
12/2002 530i with 155,000
oil housing110 k
oil pan gasket 110 k
bmw belt cured tensioner whine belts ,140k
spark plugs 115k
disa valve failed in engine clicked gave CEL and was replaced 120k
brakes 120k
power steering hoses,125k
thrust arm bushings,125k
control arms, 125k
tie rods 125k
pullies, 140k
radiator, reservoir and cap, hoses 115k
faulty alarm, 115k
tires, 110k
sealed vapor barrier,115 k
cluster from ebay (matched vin in ike), 130k
welded exhaust console hanger above front sway bar 135k
windshield washer jet 130k
sway bar links 135k
metal bleed screws
besian vanos seals 140k
valve cover gasket 140k
fuel filter 140k
right thrust arm with HD bushing 140k
water pump, 130k
radiator 140k
thermostat, 140k
upper radiator hose 140k
lower radiator hose 140k
fan clutch and blade 140k
side marker housing 142k
coolant flush 140k
oil and differential fluid change 142k
Motor and transmission mounts 142 k
Bilstein HD struts mounts pad 144k
Conti dws tires/alignment 144k
fsu spare140k
hd bushing spare 140k
front brakes 143k rear spares
O2 sensors spares 9/13/10
H7 auto illumination and bulbs 9/13/10
Expansion tank, cap spare 9/30/10
Gatorback Belts spare 10/12/10
Rotors spare 10/12/10
CCV system spare 12/24/2010
Ball joints, rear sway links 1/18/2010
Rear bilstein mounts pads 1/18/2010
caulked rear tail lights to stop rain from leaking in 150k
angel eye leds went out at 150k
and yes you read correct the radiator is cheap enough that I bought one at 115k and had to do it again at 140k (i think my old motor mounts were vibrating the radiator)
with no rattles, leaks, or indicators its a dream to drive
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107,811 and counting.
Cooling system @ 97K
Master Cylinder @ 99K
Tranny Range sensor @ 101K
DSC Compressor @ 107K
Still drives like a charm
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My Black Berry :
2003 530i Sport Blk/Blk 90k miles , stock body
in last 10k :
Custom sway bar
New M5 rear sway bar
New OEM T-T
New OEM Water pump
New Vanos seals
New pan gasket
Oil housing job
New 3 tesntions
New air intake boot
New vacuum lines
BMW Black Plate Frame
New OEM Full Brake Job front/rear
New Winter Michelin tires on 17" BBS 42 Style wheels
New Summer Conti 245/40R18 tires on new BBS 5 style wheels
New Second Air pump
New Engine belts
New Xenon Headlights bulbs
New Check Value Gasket set
New Interstate OEM battery
New OEM plugs
New OEM left driver door actuator
New batteries in both remote keys
New OEM Fuel filter
New OEM Salon filters
Recent ATF steering , Pensoil engine oil
Cooling system flashed with BMW green coolant
Brake system flashed with DOT4
New OEM Cap Holders
New Steering Hoses ( no leaks on my cars )
New OEM engine mounts
New OEM trunny mounts
MAF cleaned
Disa valve sealed
OEM CW CCV with all houses
New dipstick $$$
New OEM tranny fluid
New Mobile 1 differential fluid
Rear doors vapon barrier fix !
New OEM BMW floor mats
New OEM BMW trunk mat
New ACS Style trunk Carbon Fiber Spoiler
New ACS Style roof Carbon Fiber Spoiler
DICE i-BMW SilverLine iPod Adapter
Full suspension tuning in last year - ( all Lemfoerder parts )
Front :
New front thrust arm bushing
New front tie rods
New right front low arm
New front stabilizers
Rear :
New left - right rear upper arms
New rear stabilizers
Recent wheels balancing
Recent alignment
Last year trips :
Key West - 5k miles
Smoky Mountains- 2k miles
W DC - 1.5k miles
This Bimmer is a joy to drive
Last edited by champaign777; 02-11-2011 at 04:38 PM.
148469 miles 2000 528i. COOLING SYSTEM OVERHAUL / VALVE COVER GASKET/ SPARK PLUGS/ MANIFOLD GASKETS / REBUILT ABS MODULE. / ALL 4 SPEED SENSORS BRAKE PADS AND ROTORS/ ALL NEW EMERGENCY BRAKE / PRE CAT O2 SENSORS. AND STILL RUNNING A LITTLE ROUGH ALONG WITH POOR GAS MILEAGE, MUST HAVE A VACUUM LEAK SOMEWHERE. OH WELL TO COLD TO WORK ON NOW I'LL WAIT TILL SPRING.
'97 - All stock - 64k - was a weekend only car - now my DD.
'97 528i, 99k DD
'91 CRX Si, 114k
'83 Supra, 109k
Year: 01
Mileage: 169,000
Repairs: Alternator, radiator, water pump, thermostat, coolant resevoir, plugs, wires, front/rear rotors and pads, front suspension, rear suspension (New England roads are horrible in winter), fuel pump, fuel filter, CCV. Aside from that, she runs and looks like it came off the showroom floor.
I doubt anyone has more than me...
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I guess this is as good a spot as any for me to jump in as a new forum member. My first post is here
My newly-purchased 540i 6-speed has about 158,000 miles on it. Looking back at the previous owners' (plural) records, I can see that it's had a new radiator, fan and fan clutch installed, auxilliary water pump, camshaft speed sensor (twice), intake manifold gasket, instrument cluster, speed sensor (twice) valve cover gaskets, valley pan gaskets, power steering line, DSP stereo amplifier, water pump, and thermostat replaced, as well as driveshaft repaired.
When I bought it, a comprehensive pre-purchase inspection by Bavarian Professionals (authorized Dinan distributor) in Berkeley showed it needed the driver's seatbelt pretensioner, coolant reservoir and headlight adjusters replacedall now done, thanks to the amazing DIY's here. The combination of a nearby, reliable independent mechanic and the knowledge from this forum overcame my concerns from the daunting pile of repair records that confronted me.
EditForgot to mention various suspension bushings and such.
Last edited by bobdmac; 02-11-2011 at 09:40 PM.
1997 528i
owned since 15K
No repairs at all yet
A few items that will give you an inconvenient surprise >>
tensioner pulley for the main belt may fail
(stop immediately and DO NOT let your car get into the red!)
window regulators will fail so go ahead now and find 2-3 sources to get them quick, unless you like your windows permanaently down
various plastic clips will break
rubber may tear away from your door sill panels
I love my car but there are times I have to lay back my head and look at the sky!
My BMW 528i is the perfect image for my internet marketing company in Atlanta
E-39 528i 1997 * Voxx Maglia 18" wheels, staggered 8.5/9.5 Tires 225/40R-18 & 275/35R-18 * Montreal Blue Metallic * Bavarian Soundwerks Stage 1 Audio Pkg * Pioneer AVH 4000 NEX Head Unit * M-Style Bumper & Grills * Clear Headlights & Sidemarkers, LED Tail Lights & Interior Lights * Shadowline Bumper Strips & Side Moldings * rebuilt F&R suspension, ABS module, . . . . it gets newer every year, lol
Lots of easy fixes 160,XXX miles 5301 2001
94 530i sold (That was difficult for me)
01 530i >144,500+ miles SOLD
06 330XI winter's especially fun drive (SOLD)
10 M3 Sedan (sweet)
13 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
14 Porsche Cayenne Platinum Diesel
15 Porsche GT3
16 Porsche GT4
2000 540i with 240,000 km
was running great until chain guides went!
I have a 99 540I with 82K in great shape. Needs to put on the road for a long drive.
My 01 has hit 168K 100k up and down the highways Water Pump,Thermostat, ABS sensors,Alternator,Power steering pump leak, I just replaced that oil filter housing that was a good 600 bucks along with a cooling pipe?? Now the sunroof wont open but, but she still runs like a champ..
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One particularly brazen voice, the historian Benny Morris, predicts a strike "within 4-7 months," roughly (and not inconveniently) the period after the American election but before the Bush Administration leaves office. In fact, Morris writes, if you scope out the choices left to Israel as Iran enriches uranium, an Israeli preemptive nuclear strike might be, if not inevitable, then prudential.
You see, any Israeli conventional strike will necessarily be partial and guarantee a retaliatory missile barrage from Iran and Hezbollah—missiles that (or so Israelis will have to assume) could be tipped with chemical or biological warheads. But an Israeli strike will also guarantee that Iran develops a bomb. It will greatly enhance its determination to use it. Why not--so Morris concludes--cut out the intermediate stage, which sets up the terrible endgame? Why not (we need George C. Scott here) just go for broke?
LEAVE ASIDE THE question of whether, if you believed a strike were just and imminent, you'd be wise to publish a column about it in the New York Times. Leave aside suspicions that Israeli military professionals who've comported themselves as America's foremost regional asset—who, according to official commissions of inquiry, have cowed senior Israeli ministers with secret intelligence and contingency plans—naturally incline to a clash of civilizations.
The substantive problem for which a preemptive strike is the presumed solution boils down to something like the following argument: Iran's president, hence its regime, is jihadist and fanatic; he considers Israel illegitimate, is bent on its annihilation, and his denial of the holocaust means he is capable of perpetrating one. The regime, meanwhile, is on a fast track to a nuclear weapon; the West, and if not the West, Israel standing alone, must treat the Iranian nuclear program something like a suicide bomber's exploding belt.
Besides—so the argument continues—even if Iran does not actually attack Israel first, its acquisition of a nuclear weapon would change "geopolitical" dynamics in insufferable ways. Egypt and the Saudis will think themselves required to get one; the region will become a nest of mutually assured destroyers. An Iranian bomb will serve as an added deterrent to Israel, should that country have to strike against the tens of thousands of missiles now in the hands of Hezbollah, Iran's client. It will curtail Israeli freedom of action.
I (WITH) OTHERS will have much more to say about this in the days ahead. But, meanwhile, it may be worth revisiting this post from May. Also, if you find yourself in a conversation with someone who argues, like Morris, in favor of a strike, insist on answers to the following questions, which cover what intelligence officers would call Iran's "motivation" and "capabilities":
- Is the Iranian president the entire regime?
- If not, what valence does hatred of Israel have in the Iranian government as a whole?
- If we assume (as Jonathan Schell does) that an Iranian bomb is not ultimately stoppable, would a jihadist president, or any Iranian leader, fire-off a first strike, or give a bomb to a terrorist?
- Would such a strike not incinerate or poison Palestinians and Hezbollah's Shi'a?
- Would Iranian leaders really be willing to sacrifice Teheran, Qom, and other population centers to an Israeli retaliatory strike just for the ecstasy of ending Israel?
- Then again, is the regime really capable of getting a weapon?
- If so, what intervening economic or popular pressures will, over the years, make any plans for deployment moot?
- Why have Egypt and the Saudis not gone for a bomb to compete with, well, Israel's?
- Finally, if Iranian mullahs do not intend to use the bomb, and have such difficulty making it, what regional fears and grudges might explain why they are so apparently intent on getting one?
- Can those be allayed by persistent diplomacy over time?

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FRANKFORT – During the opening days of most legislative sessions in even-numbered years, the primary focus is getting bills moving through committee and readying for the governor's budget proposal.
As many of you may know, however, this year is somewhat different, as the General Assembly is also taking on the once-in-a-decade task of redrawing the population boundaries for itself, the Kentucky Supreme Court and the state's six congressional seats. It's something all states do after each Census.
There is good news and bad news for Kentucky as your General Assembly drafts a new biennial budget during this year's legislative session. Let's start with the good news: revenues are up.
On Tuesday, Jan. 17, legislators heard from the governor. Gov. Steve Beshear presents his budget proposal to the General Assembly.
As I have reported in the past, our budget situation is serious and while the General Assembly directed cost-cutting measures and other efficiencies such as reducing personal service contracts and merit employees (those who are politically appointed) in the budget, the Governor vetoed those measures. Now, he will issue his solution to our state's budget problems.
While nothing is final until the bill is approved and signed by the governor, it appears the hard work of local residents will pay off in the latest redistricting of legislative boundaries.
This week Paul Coyle takes a look at how Bullitt County might fair following the redistricting of legislative districts by state government.
2011 proved to be a busy year for the BBB serving Louisville, Southern Indiana, and Western Kentucky. Here is a snapshot of the services BBB provided:
· Provided more than 612,000 BBB Business Reports online in 2011;
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· Closed more than 6,300 complaints.
The five members of the Bullitt County Board of Education oversee a $100 million budget and make decisions about multimillion-dollar building projects. But they also make certain the individual child in the Bullitt County Public School district gets what he or she needs to successfully learn in school and beyond. All that is done in the face of shrinking state and federal dollars for education and tough economic times locally.
FRANKFORT – At the start of each legislative session in even-numbered years, the governor appears before the General Assembly twice: First, to give the State of the Commonwealth address and then, later in the month, to present a two-year budget proposal.
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Here we have Babo Crash [$0.99 - iTunes Link], a fun new gem-switching game for the iPhone and iPod touch from Playbrains. In this game you have to match similar coloured gems with adjacent gems in sets of three or more, in a similar fashion to Bejeweled. The difference in Babo Crash is that if you match up more than 4 gems you unleash specialized hero gems. These hero gems, when matched, have specialized gem-busting powers.
Babo Crash has over 21 levels of gem smashing fun that gets faster as you go along. It also uses the OpenFeint system so you also have access to leaderboards and achievements online.
If you want to see screenshots of the game in action (and find out how you can get yourself a free promo code for the game!), stay with us after the break.
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April 3rd is fast approaching so it's only fitting that Apple is rumored to begin shipping iPad review units to select reviewers this Thursday (either that or they'll be arriving Thursday, like many rumors it's not exactly clear).
Also not clear is whether the lucky reviewers will receive Wi-Fi only, WiFi+3G, or both iPads, and exactly who is getting them (other than Mossberg from The Wall Street Journal and Pogue from The New York Times, of course).
We here at TiPb aren't holding our collective breaths, but we have pre-ordered (and Rene's making the long drive down to the US) so you'll get to hear our thoughts soon enough.
If you enjoy the outdoor activities such as hiking and you don't feel like spending a lot of money on a heavy duty case then the rugged Nite Ize Sideways Clip Case for iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS [$16.95 - iMore Store Link] is definitely worth a look. For the full review follow us after the break!
The Griffin PowerJolt Reserve Backup Battery [$34.95 - iMore Store Link] is one nifty little iPhone/iPod touch accessory, One of the biggest gripes people have with Apple's iPhone is the lack of a removable battery. Sure you have some other battery charging options but if you don't want to be bothered carrying around cords or bulky cases then the PowerJolt Reserve just may be for you. Get the full rundown after the break!
You just got your new iPhone for Christmas and you may have been wondering what case you should purchase to protect your new gift. I'm here to tell you if you are in the market for a slider case the Case-Mate Smooth for iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS [iMore Store Link - $27.95] is one to consider. For the full review follow me after the break!
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Marware's C.E.O. Premiere for iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS. [$34.95 - iMore Store Link] is a horizontal case with a belt clip and top flap. Either you love that style or you hate it, but there is no denying their popularity among iPhone owners. Marware has been making iPhone cases since day one and some pretty good ones at that. What did we think of the Marware C.E.O. Premiere?
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The BlueAnt Q1 voice controlled Bluetooth headset for iPhone [$109.95 - iMore Store] is the higher end version of the BlueAnt V1 I tested last month, and came away impressed with. How impressed? It's a piece of hardware I would recommend it to anyone in the market for a new bluetooth headset. Now that the good folks over at BlueAnt were nice enough to send me the Q1, will I make the switch? For all of the juicy details follow us after the break!
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Students to honor Kalaupapa patients
It's a disease that took almost 8,000 lives.
The history of Hansen's disease, more commonly referred to as leprosy, is intertwined with Hawaiian history.
In 1866, King Kamehameha V banished all Hawaiians suffering from Hansen's disease to the Kalaupapa peninsula on Molokai where they could live out their last days and were blocked off from the rest of the world.
June 30 marks the 45th anniversary of the end of the isolation law, and a Hilo-based nonprofit is making it their mission to place a lei at every known burial site at Kalaupapa in remembrance of former outcast patients.
According to Kerri A. Inglis, a history professor at the University of Hawaii at Hilo, it's Hui Malama Makanalua's goal to both honor and respect those who lived there and to raise awareness about the disease while quelling any negative social stigma associated with it.
Hansen's disease is a chronic infection caused by certain types of bacteria. The bacteria was discovered by Norwegian scientist G.H. Armauer Hansen in the 1800s. Inglis said there was strong evidence and understanding of the bacteria early on, and by the 1950s, effective treatments were available.
However, people were still skeptical about whether or not the disease was contagious.
"(It) took a long time for the public to accept it's not highly contagious and that people didn't need to be quarantined the way they were," Inglis said.
Raising awareness is one reason that Inglis continues to bring students at the university to the island, and it was during a visit to Kalaupapa in November that the idea for the project, "Lei Hali'a O Kalaupapa," surfaced.
"Last November, we took a few lei to the cemetery. Students got to choose who to put the lei for," she explained. "Some have family; it's personal. Some would choose whoever they felt inspired by. But we felt it wasn't enough."
There are approximately 1,200 marked graves, along with several unmarked burial sites in the area. Inglis said she and the students decided everyone should be remembered and that every grave site should have a lei.
"A student planted the seed for the idea, and it blossomed from that," she said.
Inglis said the visits are often emotional.
"When we get there, it's a mix of the awe of the beauty of the place, the amazing geography, and mix with the heaviness of the history," she said. "So we spend time there and give service to the community and aina to feel apart of it, and connect to that history and understand it more deeply."
Drew Kapp said he visited a couple years ago. Kapp, a geography professor at UH-Hilo and member of Hui Malama Makanalua, described it as a "profound experience."
Fellow Hui member Noah Gomes said the feeling of the place is slightly indescribable.
"You definitely feel the mana there. You feel the power, and at the same time there's this feeling of immense sadness of the place and it's a reminder of what happened there," he said.
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Csaba Tuned Up for Fred Hooper Defense
Csaba returns to graded stakes company for the first time since this summer in a title defense of the $100,000 Fred W. Hooper Handicap (gr. III) Dec 7 at Calder Casino & Race Course.
Csaba returns to graded stakes company for the first time since this summer in a title defense of the $100,000 Fred W. Hooper Handicap (gr. III) Dec 7 at Calder Casino & Race Course.
Ron the Greek turned it on in a big way in the $400,000 Florida Sunshine Millions Classic at Gulfstream Park Jan. 19, overpowering his state-bred foes by 11 1/4 lengths on an off track.
Mucho Macho Man and Ron the Greek, two of the leading older horses of 2012, embark on another title quest Jan. 19 when they face off in the $400,000 Florida Sunshine Millions Classic at Gulfstream Park.
Csaba, given a dream run through at the rail by Luis Saez, left Delegation behind in the stretch to win the $100,000 Harlan's Holiday Stakes Dec. 16 for his third consecutive victory in Florida.
The $100,000 Harlan's Holiday Stakes may be ungraded, but the Dec. 16 renewal at Gulfstream Park still drew a strong collection of top contenders.
Duke of Mischief, a multiple graded stakes winner of more than $1.9 million, is set to make his return after an absence of eight months in the Harlan's Holiday Stakes Dec. 16 at Gulfstream Park.
Ducduc, launching his bid from well behind on the final turn, caught runaway leader Csaba at the wire to pull out a dead heat in the $100,000 Fred W. Hooper Handicap (gr. III) Nov. 24 at Calder Casino and Race Course.
After rolling to victory in the Tropical Park Derby on Oct. 13 at Calder Race Course, Csaba will try to keep the ball rolling when he faces an expected five rivals in the Fred W. Hooper Handicap (gr. III).
Coming off a splendid three-race campaign at Woodbine, Forte Dei Marmi looks to wrap up the year on a winning note in the $150,000 W. L. McKnight Handicap (gr. IIT) at Calder Casino & Race Course Nov. 24.
My Pal Chrisy and Bad Debt were repeat winners in the Florida Million at Calder Casino & Race Course Nov. 10, while Cash Rules led all the way to capture the $150,000 Carl G. Rose Classic Handicap.
Florida Million Day returns to Calder Casino & Race Course for the 11th time Nov. 10, with title defenses in the Bonnie Heath Turf Cup by Bad Debt and the Elmer Heubeck Distaff by My Pal Chrisy highlighting the program.
Local favorite Cash Rules was a popular winner of the $100,000 Spend a Buck Handicap (gr. III) Oct. 13, his seventh lifetime victory at Calder Casino & Race Course and first in a graded stakes event.
Gourmet Dinner, who won two divisions of the 2010 Florida Stallion Stakes series at Calder Casino & Race Course, returns to the track where he began his career for the $100,000 Spend A Buck Handicap (gr. III) Oct. 13.
Love and Pride, who has made it a habit of getting out to the lead, will be trying for her second stakes win of the year when she takes on eight rivals in the Allaire DuPont Distaff Stakes (gr. III).
Imperial Czar, drawing into the Miami Mile Handicap after it was rained off the turf, won at odds of 8-1 April 21 at Calder.
Juddmonte Farms' homebred Mutual Trust, a group I winner in France last season, headlines a competitive field of 12 in the $125,000 Miami Mile Handicap (gr. IIIT) April 21 at Calder Casino & Race Course.
Sent off as the 1-10 favorite against five overmatched contenders, E. Paul Robsham Stables' Awesome Maria was a comfortable winner of the $150,000 Rampart (gr. III) March 31 at Gulfstream Park.
More than three months after winning the Breeders' Cup Ladies Classic (gr. I) and locking up champion 3-year-old filly honors, Royal Delta will begin her 2012 season in the Sabin Stakes (gr. III) Feb. 25 at Gulfstream.
Trainer Christophe Clement may have the one to beat in the Tropical Turf Handicap (gr. IIIT) with Brushwood Stable's 4-year-old colt Mr. Ryder following a third-place effort last out in the Oct. 15 Knickerbocker Stakes.
Strike the Moon, who just missed winning the Delaware Oaks (gr. II) last month, heads a field of 11 sophomore fillies in the $150,000 Monmouth Oaks (gr. I) Aug. 13 at Monmouth Park.
Longshot Tackleberry wins the Sunshine Millions Classic by 2 1/4 lengths; odds-on favorite First Dude fourth.
Morning Line, who last came into his own during the second half of his 3-year-old campaign and is expected to be one of the top older horses in 2011, makes his season debut in the Hal's Hope Stakes Jan. 8 at Gulfstream.
Tackleberry, who set the pace but relinquished his lead to longshot Dream Maestro, fought back in deep stretch and nipped his rival by a nose in a thrilling finish of the Fred Hooper Handicap (gr. III) Dec. 11 at Calder.
Overflow fields of 12 and four also-eligibles were each drawn for the Tropical Turf and My Charmer Handicaps, both $100,000 grade III turf events Dec. 4 at Calder Casino and Race Course.
We all know who the favorites are and who the contenders are. But we also know that no Breeders' Cup is complete without its share of longshots.
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|Sharon McGlinchey
|Canadian Mistress
|Lisa Guerrero
|Cash Rules
|David Fawkes
|Dream Maestro
|Giuseppe Iadisernia
|Bisnath Parboo
|Hear Ye Hear Ye
|Stanley I. Gold
|Matty's Trail
|Ronald Pellegrini
|Numb Lips
|Agustin C. Bezara
|Henry Collazo
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Amidst the gutted bowls of the Palais de Tokyo, a basement that is little more then a shell of concrete and exposed wires, we enter a space that is part catwalk, part art-installation. A temporary, black wall divides this sports-pitch sized space and dually serves as the backing wall for catwalk. It's basked in an eerie blue light that sees the shadows of we the guests projected against it in three different shades of blue, the way they merge together gives off an odd sense of the paranormal – somehow each shadow seems disembodied, as if it's moving separately to its creator. Heightening precisely that eerie feeling this space is exuding, this Paris fashion week venue is filled with the sound of wind while, though also on the soundtrack, off in the distance the faint sound of wind chimes can be heard. It leaves the impression that Aganovich's fall 2011 collection is, like this space, going to be otherworldly.
And yet it isn't. Though the sound of wind and wind chimes continue as the parade-cum-presentation begin, what we pay witness to is more an exploration of the colour blue then it is an exploration of the supernatural. The strange blue lights that had filled the space disappear, only to be replaced by the warm catwalk lights. Within moments the whole otherworldly mood has vanished.
So too have my expectations as to what this collection might be. Where I had imagined unearthly prints are instead latex leggings whose shine and colour combine to give the impression that the models legs are actually clad in cream. Where I expected there to be futuristic or oh-so-far-out-there cuts there are instead pieces that border on the minimalist. And it's all blue, save for the leggings and the tiniest hint of metallic gold hardware. Blue. Blue. Blue. Even the guest next to me, an American in Paris if the cliche is to be believed, couldn't help but remark at how this was a collection in which shades of blue followed shades of blue.
But to say this is a collection in which the chosen colour palette diluted the intended effect would be to overstate the in-person fact. Sadly, it's going to appear that way in the pictures we capture. They'll likely reveal colour and cut, the play between different shades of blue and varying sack shapes and cropped tops, but they aren't likely to reveal designer Nana Aganovich's play with cloth. That variation of cloth, the fact that silks with such a low thread count that silhouettes to be seen are paired against taught knits, that cords are used with more frequency then obvious blue denim, feels like the collection's greater point.
To see all of Aganovich's autumn / winter 2011 / 2012 collection for its cuts and fabric colours, and not necessarily its colour palette, click on the thumbnails below and browse through the photos.


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OK I was pretty patient when my forge BOV started making my intake make noises uglier than a PT Cruiser. I came to Saabcentral for help and people told me what it was. One reason was that I did not have good enough loob to allow my piston inside to move well enough. Than when I started using better loob my intake was still making that noise. Than I was like ok I will go ahead and get the tuning kit from forge. When getting to tuning kit I figured out that the stock spring inside of my BOV was too strong and that I needed a softer one. So I installed it. For about two weeks the BOV was working fantastically, I mean blowing off every time I shifted, which is what I want by the way. Than the worst thing happened I took a road trip about four hours away. Being me I was pushing the car pretty hard. By the end of the trip I noticed that the BOV was not blowing off. Making a sound like wind blowing softly. I thought it might be the loob, thinking maybe during the drive the loob got some dust and sand in it so it was not greasy enough. Sense than I have replaced the loob and tried every possible combination with all four springs and three spacers given in the BOV tuning kit by Forge and the BOV has never returing to the sound and consistency that I had it at when I first got my tuning kit for it. PLEASE HELP If I cannot solve this I am going to have to piss off my dad and spend money the right way and get a HKS.


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Friends of Slow Church,The last four months have been almost magical. Since Slow Church officially released on June 3, we've been surprised, delighted, and truly humbled by people's responses to the book. Those responses have been overwhelmingly positive, and even the occasional pushback we've received has helped move the Slow Church conversation forward. We're grateful for all of it. Thank you.I have two goals for this post. First, I want to give you the briefest update on what's been happening with the book. Second, we want to make an exciting announcement about how Slow Church has be … [Read more...]
Slow Church Shares the Stage with Slow Food & Slow Money
Pope Francis in Conversation with Slow Food's Carlo Petrini
We reported this summer that Pope Francis had advocated for churches to slow down.This week, Slow Food International founder, Carlo Petrini reported that he recently received a phone call from the pope.Petrini says: We also talked about the farming world. Pope Francis wanted to emphasize how precious the good practices of rural communities are to the world's destiny. On this subject in particular, the Pope had strong words: "The work of these people is extraordinary," he said. "Accumulating money must not be the primary goal. My grandmother used to tell me that when you die, your shrou … [Read more...]
A Tale of Two Manifestos
In February 1909, the Italian poet Filippo Tommaso Marinetti published his Futurist Manifesto in the French newspaper Le Figaro. The manifesto exalted the future over the past, violence and aggression over peace and ecstasy, immorality over morality, men over women, the young over the old, the machine over the land, and the known over the unknown. Marinetti also declared that "the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed": … [Read more...]
The Slow Church Conversation.
"What is Slow Church?" This question is one that I've been getting quite a bit recently. I'm always at a bit of a loss to answer, however, because so many things are swirling through my head. Over the coming months, John Pattison and I will facilitate a conversation here that will explore what we mean by Slow Church, and what that might look like in a variety of different church contexts. But a conversation has to begin somewhere, so let me set out a few thoughts to get us started. On the most basic level, Slow Church is a conversation between Christianity of the early twenty-first century … [Read more...]


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Monitor Staff Reports
KAUFMAN–Department of Public Safety trooper Kyle Bradford reports a fatal traffic accident Wednesday, Jan. 22, involving just one car a half-mile south of the City of Kemp.
Kaufman County Precinct 4 Justice of the Peace Johnny Adams pronounced the death at the scene on State Highway 274. (See obituary page 11A of the Thursday, January 30, 2014 issue of The Monitor.)
Bradford reports that Sharlene L. Stephens, 39 of Gun Barrel City, was northbound at around 2:30 a.m. when for an unknown reason she crossed over into the southbound lane and left the roadway into the ditch on the west side of the road.
The trooper said her 2002 Kia sedan then went airborne and crashed into trees and a concrete culvert before coming to rest on the driver's side on the north side of the ditch.
The driver was ejected from the vehicle, he added.
Woman dies in one-car crash
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Healthy Kids, Healthy Snacks
Sometimes it seems like as soon as your little ones have finished breakfast, they're begging for something else to eat. And it's the same thing after lunch, mid-afternoon, early evening, when you're out running errands, etc., etc. Does this snacking cycle ever end? The real answer: Not really. In fact, as they get older and their appetites grow, your kids will want even more (and bigger) snacks. However, snacking is not inherently a bad thing. In fact, small, healthy between-meal munchies are great for helping to fuel children's growth and development. Besides, snacking serves another very good purpose: Anyone who's ever been near a hungry toddler knows that it's not a pretty sight.
Smart Snacking
Of course, that mythical "healthy snack" is often easier talked about than actually eaten. We'd all love to live in that magical fantasy world where two-year-olds sit calmly and quietly enjoying their celery sticks and broccoli florets in between sips of skim milk. But the reality is that those between-meal hunger pangs often strike when you're on the go, in the car, at the store or otherwise busy, and the easy thing to do is grab a cookie or some chips just to calm everybody down. This might solve the immediate problem, but it won't actually satisfy a hungry kid for long -- and it definitely won't provide many healthy nutrients.
Because kids get up to one third of their daily calories from snacks, it's important that they supplement and round out their daily diet -- a truly good snack will be good for your child, keeping hunger at bay while adding to their overall intake of healthy foods (oh, and bonus points if it's actually enjoyable too!). The good news is that small steps toward healthy snacking can have a really big impact:
- Become label savvy. Pre-packaged snacks are definitely convenient, but even those that may look healthy are often high in calories and low in nutrients. Learn to read labels and evaluate manufacturers' nutrition claims. See how the NuVal number stacks up, if the product has one.
- Make it easy. It requires a bit of work on the starting end, but making healthy snacks as convenient to eat on-the-go as possible will pay off. Chop up fruits and veggies as soon as you bring them home from the store and package them in individual snack-sized servings that are easy to bring with you.
- Refresh with H20. Serve your kids plenty of water instead of soda or juice drinks. If your kids are juice lovers, moderation is key -- look for brands that are made with 100 percent fruit.
- Small servings. It's important to monitor not only the content of your child's snack, but the quantity as well. Serve kid-size portions, and when you're at home be sure that snacks are eaten when sitting down instead of on the run.
Super Snack Ideas
When you're faced with a between-meal meltdown, it helps to have some healthy snack ideas on hand. Here are some suggestions to keep hunger at bay:
- Make your own trail mix with several types of whole grain cereal, dried fruit and nuts.
- Keep raisins, dates or dried apricots on hand to satisfy those sweet tooth attacks
- Let kids play with their food. Cut fruits, vegetables and cheese into silly shapes and let them make "art" on their plates.
- Roll a thin slice of turkey around a piece of string cheese
- Serve whole-wheat crackers with slices of cheese
- Spread peanut butter on apple slices, celery or crackers
- Let them tear into some pita bread and dip it in hummus
- Spread peanut butter and jelly on a rice cake for a crunchy treat
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Artist: Ill Niño
Album: Ill Nino
Everything that you say
Everything that you do
Nothing will change
You feel my rage
Give in to me, you run through me
Dying, you presence feels right
That's a part of the signs
Need you here, once you're near
Release my fears
Every word that you say
Every time that you burn
All thoughts you feel
I know they're real
I can smell you, I can spell you
Thinking life will rearrange
Hope our hearts will never change
Encontre adentro en ti
Everything I lost in me
De ti no quiero separame
Viviras adentro de mi sangre
You are the one
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I will take a 14 hours fly and I dont, and I can not want to leave my dog behind, I want totake him with me but amm scar
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Trailblazing detective became bank fraud expert
When Mary Eichinger joined Mt. Lebanon's police department in 1981, she made history as the department's first sworn female police officer.
"She was a trailblazer who fit into the job," said Susan Morgans, a spokeswoman for the municipality,
"She was a tough person, who nobody would mess with. Most of all, she had the respect of her fellow officers."
Mary Kay Eichinger of Mt. Lebanon, a former Mt. Lebanon police officer who earned the International Association of Financial Crime Investigator's "Officer of the Year" in 2002, died of cancer on Thursday, Nov. 29, 2012, in the Greenery Special Care Center in Canonsburg. She was 56.
Ms. Eichinger earned the respect of citizens for her compassion and willingness to lend a helping hand, said her sister, Barbara Eichinger of Mt. Lebanon.
That concern and compassion for others resonated with her love of animals to the extent that she would adopt a dog or a cat that was considered not adoptable, Eichinger said.
"And if that dog or cat needed surgery, my sister would have it done," Eichinger added.
Officer Eichinger was promoted to the rank of senior police officer. As a detective for the Mt. Lebanon Police Department, she handled bank fraud cases, which earned her the Officer of the Year award, said her sister, an accountant.
"When Mary retired from the police department in 2003, she became a bank fraud investigator for Dollar and Citizens banks."
Born in Harrisburg and raised in Mt. Lebanon since the age of 9, Mary Eichinger was one of two children of CPA Donald J. Eichinger and his wife, Kay Romansky Eichinger.
In 1974, after graduating from Mt. Lebanon High School, where she was a member of the swim team, she attended the University of Pittsburgh, before becoming an emergency medical technician for Mt. Lebanon.
Barbara Eichinger said her sister was talented as an artist.
"She was very good with oils and in painting flowers," her sister said.
Friends will be received from 4 to 7 p.m. Monday in Laughlin Memorial Chapel, 222 Washington Road, Mt. Lebanon, with a Police Association Tribute at 7 p.m.
Services will be conducted at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday in the Mausoleum Chapel of Mt. Lebanon Cemetery.
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For the cultural elite in Dallas, there are few things more exciting than a gala. Not content to go to a simple party or gathering, the local glitterati need quarterly opportunities to squeeze into Oscar de la Renta gowns and rub elbows with their Preston Hollow neighbors. And there's no better excuse for blowing a few grand on a gala event than the arts, darling. Attending the 2008 Dallas Symphony Orchestra Opening Gala satisfies the urge to get away from the hoi polloi without that mindless outlay of cash. Here the outlay is called a "contribution"--to help bring the arts to the masses. The Gala, held at the Meyerson Symphony Center beginning at 7 p.m., promises a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to see Music Director Jaap van Zweden perform as a violinist for the last time. Ever. So not only did your $1,000 admission get you in the door and let you dine on dishes containing the word "fromage," it also gave you an experience that makes you that much more culturally informed than those of us crowded down at the Lakewood Landing tonight. And when we buy our $35 cheap seats to DSO performances later and show up in Forever 21 couture, you can look down upon us and remember how your contribution at the Gala made all of this possible. Don't you feel good about yourself? Call 214-871-4065 or visit dallassymphony.com.
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Now excuse me while I go practice my self-defense screaming (seriously!)
This is a discussion on Shoot to slide lock or count rounds? within the Defensive Carry & Tactical Training forums, part of the Defensive Carry Discussions category; Mental picture of someone standing there with an empty gun screaming at a target is very funny, lol...
Mental picture of someone standing there with an empty gun screaming at a target is very funny, lol
" Blessed is that man, who when facing death, thinks only of his front sight"
-Jeff Cooper
Now excuse me while I go practice my self-defense screaming (seriously!)
Springfield TRP Armory Kote, Springfield Trophy Match, Sig Sauer P220R SAO, Glock 35 with Heinie Slant Pro sights, Springfield Armory XDs 45, S&W Model 29 Mountain Gun, PTR-91F in 7.62mm NATO, Springfield M1A1, Sig 556 Patrol Rifle and Benelli M2 with 10-round magazine
Since my gun doesn't have a slide lock,i count the rounds,which is pretty easy since it only holds six +1,i know that after 3 double taps,its time to reload.
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Member NRA
Served in U.S.A.F.(jet engine mechanic)
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Don't Leave Home Without It!
Battle Plan (n) - a list of things that aren't going to happen if you are attacked.
Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
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Semper Fi
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
You plug 'em, I plant 'em
...kid can't read at 17 (Garcia/Hunter 1985)
Lack of preparation on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on mine
In IPSC and IDPA I count rounds. In Gun Fighting School Training I don't count and have my partner load dummy rounds in my mags for extra stress. You get to a point when it goes click and not bang that you can get the gun going very fast with clearance drills depending on the stoppage. I want my gun to go bang and keep training to make it do so. Failure drills are the best in my opinion right after dry fire training drills.
If only LIFE could be a little more tender and ART a little more robust. Alan Rickman
Praise the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle --- Psalm 144
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There are NO Silver Medals for Street Combat
Blue Thunder, I smell Victory in the Morning!
I can't count like that. So, i'll shoot until I have opportunity to reload, or sidelock, whichever comes first.
Trust in God and keep your powder dry
"A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government." -source
MattinFl--there you have it, words not of experience from someone who admits to having none about how it 'typically' would work in the world he reads about.
I'll file this under 'words to die for' and move on with the reality we share.
Blue Thunder, if during a course of fire a trigger pull does not elicit a 'bang' a glance at the top of the slide tells my fingers
what action to perform. being that failour drills...all the kinds, is essential to being a competent gun handler, malfunctions--and rectifying them, is as second nature as driving and reacting to a bouncing ball.
if you consciously have to think about either one, chance grows that someone dies.
You plug 'em, I plant 'em
...kid can't read at 17 (Garcia/Hunter 1985)
Lack of preparation on your part does not necessarily constitute an emergency on mine
Edit: Here is a video that illustrates the above. He does show retaining the magazine which would be useful if you don't carry a spare. I was always taught to let the magazine go in case it's the cause of the malfunctions.
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"I got a lot of problems with you people!" - Frank Costanza
^ Now that's elegant.
I now see why my instructor favors Clint Smith so much, himself.
I can see my malfunction drills changing, after having seen that.
adric22, please, please, please do practice that drill more than "a few" times.
As humans, we're all different, but we all need a certain number of "reps" before our brains are able to ingrain those motions - and in a stressed situation, those actions which are not ingrained will rapidly come to be known, and in the worst way possible.
Particularly for someone who does not carry a spare magazine, malfunction clearance drills - with specific mind paid to retention of the magazine - becomes of even more importance.
I haven't shot for nearly as long as you have. I'm a beginner, as everyone here knows. I've only been shooting since November. But what I have done is send some 10K+ rounds downrange, on my main HD/class/range gun alone, in that time, and I can honestly say that this devotion, at least on the square range, shows clear: just ask any of my instructors or classmates.
With that round-count as a frame of reference, I have had only one single double-feed. This occurred with dirty ammo/magazine which I had, on that same night in training, dropped in the mud and simply "rinsed-out" with a little water.
That's one hundredth of a percent: a 1:10000 failure rate.
I have about 3K rounds on my carry gun, and it has had one single stovepipe, induced by my having severely limp-wristed its action: I was already fatigued from that day's shooting, and what's more, I also had a wrist injury.
The thing is, even with such extraordinarily low failure rates, firearms are machines, and no matter how well you take care of them or feed them, they will, at some point or another, fail. Sure, the odds are slim, but once again, we don't carry to play the odds, do we? Playing it purely by statistics, it seems silly to even carry a gun....
But that's not why we carry.
We carry so that if the worst possible scenario does come to find us one day, we are more prepared than "the next guy/girl."
Knowing how to run these remediation measures on your firearm is an absolute MUST, and you absolutely MUST drill them into your brain and muscles so that they are nothing more than second nature, so that you can keep your eyes and your brain "in the fight" and your feet moving towards cover and/or tending to your daughter, when it all does go wrong.
In my last training class, encouraged by the instructor, I'd set up so many malfunctions (using spent casings randomly distributed into my live magazines) that other students even stopped to ask why I was having so much problems with my gun. Not only that, but I elicited a blister, a cut, and even a bruise (which lasted for two days!!!) on the heel of my support hand, from having done the "tap-rack-assess/bang" drill so many times.
By the middle of the day, the instructor was stopping the class so that I could demonstrate malfunction clearance to other students: and he'd even given me the praise of "before I could even yell at you to clear the malfunction, you'd already done so and was shooting!" I took the praise and worked even harder, putting in perhaps twice as many spent casings after that.
Not only that, but you have to realize that these malfunctions can really present themselves in rather nasty ways.
The night that I encountered my first double-feed?
Maybe the cold rain pounding on my head and hands had something to do with it, but I simply could not extract the spent casing from the breech. I'd done everything right up to that point: locked slide back, stripped out the magazine that's still feeding so as to relieve tension - but I just could not rack out that casing: the slide wouldn't even move.
My instructor came over, gently took the gun from me, and said: "Allen, you really have to get yourself a good grip, and just RIP that casing out." In one clean stroke, he'd done it.
I was mortified.
I truly try to do my dues as a student. I watch the Magpul DVDs beginning-to-end before every class, and I train, myself, daily on drills ranging anywhere from dry-fire to movement to malfunctions. I really do try to do my dues.
Yet, that night, I'd failed.
But I learned.
And guess what? At my next class, when a fellow student pulled himself off the line and said "hey, I just can't get that casing out of there," I went over to him, and explained to him what had happened to me, and what my instructor did - and showed him the right way to do it. Grab it and rip. His was a Glock, and he's had the thing for many, many years - also with no malfunctions. He thanked me profusely: I said "you're most welcome - but do me a favor, pass-on that knowledge you know have."
I'm not the strongest guy, but I can crush a Captains of Crush #3, and the man that I helped? sure, he may be a white-collar office-worker who's nearing retirement, but he had a firm handshake, so I doubt that he was hurting there, either. So why could neither of us positively correct our double-feed malfunctions the first time around? Because we didn't know how much force we should have used - because we thought that "oh, man, if I really used that much force, I might hurt my gun!" We didn't know any better because we hadn't ever came upon such a situation, in our practice before.
The thing is, you can never really plan for these situations. We were lucky, we had these experiences in class. But what would have happened if those situations had occurred out in the real world?
You've gotta practice, and practice a lot (oh, and yes, a snap-cap or a dummy cartridge works, but a spent casing [just be sure it matches your caliber!] tends to induce "harder" malfunctions), and even more so if you're running multiple weapons or have special needs, such as retention of the magazine, in-mind.
I'm going to keep firing until the damned threat stops. If the gun quits firing and the threat continues, I'll drop the magazine and load another, and continue firing. If I don't have another magazine, or the gun won't fire, and the threat continues, I'll just run like hell.. Real life, real solutions. Yeah, I'm going to sit and count rounds. Give me a break.
Seriously. . .
How do you expect me to count rounds when both hands are wrapped around the grip and I'm wearing shoes? And I thought all you dead-eyes only needed one shot?
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Shoot till slide lock?... Seriously?
First off. I wouldnt consider an armed confrontation in the civilian world to be combat, or comparative to most military situations. So I wont use the word combat.
I have a problem with shooting till slide lock. Well two problems... First is the expediture of ammunition. Every round you fire must eventually stop moving. And the shooter is responsible for every round he puts down range. And responsible for the damage each round does. Some people say they will shoot till slide lock or till the threat is neuteralized. I cant think of any situation where 13 rounds need be fired in rapid succession in the civilian world.
Second. OK so someone shoots till slide lock. Then what? Your out. A reload? More indiscriminate firing? While you doing this reload the perps friend you failed to see put's one in you.
IN an armed confrontation in the civilian world it is very easy to get tunnel vision. Focus on one threat. There may be only one threat, or maybe two or three. Practice, both with your firearm, and your mind I believe that anyone can control their perseption, and their motor skills. Gaming like IDPA is great IMO. They force the participant to think and shoot at the same time. Learned behaviour, learned mental skills, learned motor skills...
My post is only my opinion, and not material from some big name school, or instructor. Just based on my own experience, and training.


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Re: Island Packet 35
Originally Posted by rlopatterson View Post
I have lurked here for some time and have to disagree with Jeff_H and how he chimes in as a know it all on things he has no expertise at all. If Island Packets were terrible boats, why can't you find a current or past owner with anything negative to say about them other than a few small compromises that are in any boat?
But for background, for much of my adult life, I have been invited to sail on boats to help their owners get more out of them. This has given me a chance to experience a lot of different boats first hand, and to develop a relative sense of how they behave relative to the other boats that I have sailed on. I like sailing on boats which are very different than the boats I normally sail. While I have owned boats that range from wooden 1939 full keeled cutters, to comparatively high performance cruisers, I have no dog in this hunt when it comes to commenting on particular makes and models. If I don't have direct experience, my comments will generally note that.
In the case of the Island Packets, I have been invited aboard by Island Packet owners who were very dissatisfied with aspects of their boat's sailing abilities, and were looking to learn to sail them better. They loved the interior volume, and comfortable cockpits, they liked the boat's slower roll rates, and they were mostly pleased with the build quality, but they were sorely disappointed with how the boat sailed.
When I do one of these efforts to coach an owner on how to sail their boat's better, it tends to be somewhat experimental in nature. Anyone who has been through this with me knows that I come aboard with a pocketful of 3x5 cards and make notes on boatspeed through the water, apparent wind angles and speed, true wind angle and speed if available. GPS courses vs. compass courses and so on.
If the boat does not have luff and leech teletales I drop the sails and put them on. I mark the center spoke of the wheel, jib lead positions, and tape an inclinometer to the bulkhead, and then go to work.
I start by getting to a baseline set of adjustments that match textbook settings (telltales flying) and then begin experimenting from there with pointing angles vs speed and leeway. I observe note things like the rudder angle, aeration of the wake, heel angle and so on. I go through multiple rounds of that making notes until I have a sense of the boat's behavior, and then start making sail adjustments and repeat the process until I have a sense of what it takes to optimize the boat for that windspeed and point of sail. I also try to bench mark performance with boats around me.
In the case of the Island Packets I was on, there were a number of complaints about their sailing ability that we were trying to explore. These included poor pointing ability, lots of leeway and weather helm in a breezes over 15 or so knots, and poor light air sailing ability (which they defined as being under 10 knots, a windspeed that I would have called moderate breezes).
We worked on the pointing ability in mid-range windspeeds and concluded that the owners often were trying to pinch and that the boat got a better VMG powered up and not trying to point as high. Even when optimized, the IP's VMG was not very good as compared to similar sized and coastal cruisers, and I doubt that the benchmark boats were as carefully optimized as trimming as aggressively as we were.
Dealing with weather helm in a breeze was a bit more difficult. The weather helm seemed to largely heel angle generated, and that the rudder angle required to keep the boat tracking was slowing the boat down. We experimented with 'fisherman's reefs' (lots of twist), blading out the sails, and ultimately with reducing sail area.
Twisting both sails flattened the boat's heel angle some and helped with weather helm, but at a noticeably reduced speed through the water. Blading out the sails, also reduced weather helm some, and reduced heel less, but still hurt speed. In the end, over 15 knots the best performance and helm balance came from a small reduction in sail, and moderately, but not radical flattening of the sails. That is a pretty low windspeed to have to shorten sail for a boat that is billed as an offshore cruiser. And even at the most optimized, the speed was still slow compared to other boats around us, and frankly was not all that much fun to sail, even though we had picked up close to a knot from where we had started out.
My other observation was that the boat was surprisingly rolly reaching in a short chop, and seemed to collide with waves more violently than I would have expected when beating in those conditions.
The light air issues were two fold. First of all, it was very hard to get the boat to reliably tack through irons in wind speeds below 10 knots. (The owners said, they almost never sail in winds below 10 knots on that boat, but might if we could make the boat sail better.) The owners said that they tended to start their engine to push the bow through and then cut it again. Even so it was hard to keep the boat from swinging past the new pointing angle, which made for a harder time cranking in the sails, (the winches seemed a little low on mechanical advantage for the loads, at least as compared to what I am used to). We ended up improving the tack by tacking slower than they had been trying to, rolling in the genoa until the clew was a foot or so aft of the jibstay, holding onto the new windward sheet to start the bow to swing through then releasing the furler line and windward sheet once the bow was a few degrees on the new tack and pulling in the sail aggressively. The helmsperson also reversed the helm sooner than they had been to keep fro overshooting, which was a delicate balance. Collectively that helped a lot, but was a lot of work, and frankly was too finicky for the owners.
The bigger light air issue was simply keeping the boat moving at a reasonable speed in winds down around 5 knots. We were not able to do much for light air performance, which based on my observations was dismal by any objective standard. In those conditions, we got our clocks cleaned by a Tayana 37, which I don't think of a sterling light air performer. Proper halyard, and outhaul tensions, along with proper sheet lead, traveler, vang, and sheet adjustments helped a little, but not enough to satisfy those owners, or meet my standards for what I would consider a reasonable sailing performance in lighter stuff.
I understand that you and many IP owners may find these characteristics satisfactory, and are very happy with your boats. That said, not all IP owners would agree with you about their boat's sailing abilities. At least based on my observations, I stand by my observations of IP's sailing ability relative to other boats of similar sizes and purposes. While these boats can be made to sail better than they are often sailed, I stand by my statement that if you are buying boat because you enjoy sailing, then the IP is probably not a great choice.
I hope that adding the basis of my comments, helps you and others reading this discussion understand where I am coming from, filter out any bias on my or other's part, and perhaps explain where you differ based on your own experiences.
Re: Island Packet 35
Originally Posted by rlopatterson View Post
I have lurked here for some time and have to disagree with Jeff_H and how he chimes in as a know it all on things he has no expertise at all. If Island Packets were terrible boats, why can't you find a current or past owner with anything negative to say about them other than a few small compromises that are in any boat?
I have SAILED on an IP38 for 567 miles across the Gulf running the engine only to charge the batteries. Sailing is what the boat did and it did it well regardless of what some know it all moderator with no first-hand experience says. The boat sailed awesome and in her element and more comfortable than any boat I have sailed in the GOM. I am retired CG after 27 years.
I have been reading his posts for quite a few years and I feel that his comments on boats and designs echoes much of what I have learned while doing deliveries over the last 3 decades.
That said, I do not agree with every single thing he writes, and likely would not disagree with all of your writings either, maybe... (all One of your writings!).
IP's are not "terrible" but they are handicapped in their sailing abilities given their original design brief -- shoal water capability was the driving requirement. The fact that they are able to sail at all above a beam reach shows that they have done all that they can within the constraints of a long straight shoal keel.
As to the opinions of their owners, like all owners who knew what they wanted and paid a lot for it, they are not going to complain!
So sail on and enjoy your boat.
In parting, I will never forget the IP salesman's comment when I and several other sailors were looking around inside one of their 35 footers at the Seattle winter boat show. When I asked him where I would get my rest on the off watch offshore, given that there were no sea berths in the cabin, just some comfy chairs.... he said that I would sleep on the cabin sole. Oh MY.
So I pointed out that for a quarter million dollars I really wanted a secure berth to sleep in, he said (without a bit of irony) that I was just Not the Right Customer for that boat!
After about 15 years, we all still chuckle at that exchange.
Re: Island Packet 35
Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post
The real question would be "How important is sailing to you?" because if sailing is important then an IP is probably the wrong way to go.
I have SAILED on an IP38 for 567 miles across the Gulf running the engine only to charge the batteries. Sailing is what the boat did and it did it well regardless of what some know it all moderator with no first-hand experience says. The boat sailed awesome and in her element and more comfortable than any boat I have sailed in the GOM. I am retired CG after 27 years.
Re: Island Packet 35
Originally Posted by SouthernBreeze17 View Post
If the IP "points" 10-15 degrees worse than a typical wing keel boat (and that is a big IF as I don't have any experience with an IP), and has 5-10 degrees less leeway, then the COG difference may be minimal.
Southern Breeze
I like the look of the boats, and they have a lot of well laid out space below. But that layout also provides some serious issues. The cabinetry makes it very hard to inspect things like chain plates, and on top of that the chain plates are embedded in the hull, so even if you can get to them you can't inspect them without cutting them out. Embedding them is really more of a cost cutting measure than anything else. I am not fond of other build techniques that are not really appropriate in a boat of the price.
But they would be one of the first boats to accept an invitation for a drink on, nice comfortable interior for sure. If you really need shoal draft, it is an option, but for me there is just too much compromise on performance and I am not a racer by any stretch of the term.
Re: Island Packet 35
I like my IP ...12 knots it's fine but when all other boats are heading for cover in 25 knots I'm still wondering if I should put the first reef in...there's nothing like it...
Re: Island Packet 35
Nobody has mentioned looks. Too boxy for my tastes. And I, too, would need a boat that pointed higher and was generally faster.
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Re: Island Packet 35
I fully realize that this is an OLD thread.
However, I'd be very interested in hearing from some current (and former) owners of Island Packet 35's.
Do YOU concur with Jeff's evaluation that the IP 35 is mainly suited for boaters not interested in sailing and that, in fact, they sail poorly in heavy going. Are they REALLY so slow that, in your experience, you had to motorsail in order to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time?
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We've owned 5 boats over the last 20+ years from full keel's to whale bottom center boarders. As others have stated, our advice would be to think about how you like to use your boat, then pick a design that matches the application.
We've also found that the ideal boat for us changed over time, depending on where we wanted to cruise, where we wanted to moor, how many people we wanted to cruise with, etc. Whatever you do, it's unlikely to be your last boat.
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Jeff has said it well.
I would only add that, like all boats power and sail, you have to consider first the 'design brief' for a given design, or in this case an entire line of boats.
IP wanted a fairly high-end quality shoal-draft hull with a lot of interior room for living. From that came a long keel with a protected area for prop and rudder in case of groundings, given the shoal cruising areas intended.
Basically it is a trawler hull form with a sail plan above. The fact that it sails poorly is just the reality of that whole design package.
If you sail in deeper waters where you can enjoy the benefits of an efficient keel form and want a hull form intended first for sailing... then you ought to consider another brand of boat.
They are nice enough boats, but you just have to know your real needs.
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