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Positive Feedback ISSUE49
may/june 2010
audio horizons
TP 2.2 preamplifier
as reviewed by Ryan Coleman
Well, the world didn't end.
Oh sure, back in October 2008 we were told that the global economy was on the verge of a global collapse and, frankly, it was. Libor was spiking, mark-to-market values were rendering banks insolvent, and the commercial paper market was slammed shut; without the dramatic, prompt, and overwhelming response of the federal authorities, I've no doubt we'd be in a depression at the present time. Anyone who says "Abolish the Fed!" clearly does not understand what we went through.
Not that times are good; U6 unemployment (which is a more comprehensive measure than the 9.6% unemployment rate bantered about) still stands north of 16%, equity prices are still down more than 30% from their peaks, and around 25% of homeowners owe more on their homes than the property is worth! Ouch! So, not to be a Negative Nellie, but I'm not expecting any sort of return to the happy-go-lucky credit-fueled living-beyond-my-means spending by the consumer of last resort, Joe Q Public, residence Anywheresville, USA.
So, what does this have to do with audio? Plenty, dear reader, plenty. Audio equipment, much like jewelry and Harleys, is a purely discretionary purchase; if the consumer is feeling poorer, he's far more inclined to cut his budget for cables or electronics than he is to skimp at the grocery store or for his kid's school supplies. Everyone has to prioritize what they spend their money on.
Same thing is true for manufacturers. Sure, there are some 'cost-no-object' products out there which target the Gates' and the Buffetts' of the world, but for those of us who have bills and worries, cost is an object. Manufacturers designing to meet a price point must allocate their cost of materials as best they can to add value to their customers.
All of this bloviating brings me to the subject of this review, the Audio Horizons preamplifier. I've not come across a product that challenges my notion of what one is paying for, and what one is paying extra for. And let me cut to the chase: this may be the best value in all of high-end audio.
Audio Horizons is the baby of Joseph Chow, the design brawn of the operation. The Audio Horizons website goes into extensive detail of Joseph's design philosophy and provides a nice background of the preamplifier, so I'd direct the reader there for further info rather than try to summarize. Audio Horizons also offers other components (a DAC, a phono preamp, cabling, and equipment modification services), but this review will be limited to the TP 2.2.
Let me throw some stones that must be thrown. For those who demand their gear is 'audio jewelry', do not pursue this unit. It is housed in a remarkably thin chassis which vibrates while music is playing (but responds to mass loading very well), has a sad little plastic remote (10 buttons, but only 2 are operational: volume up and down), and is, in my opinion, rather homely. The digital display is fixed, showing the name of the company, just in case you'd forget. The chassis is about as thick as found on a $400 Sony receiver. In a targeting-a-price-point product like this, clearly the manufacturer saved a bundle by going this route. But make no mistake, vainglorious pride of ownership is low; this unit will draw no attention from your friends (while it's off), nor will you lust to press buttons or turn knobs—its appearance just doesn't inspire that kind of behavior.
And let me throw this out there, dear reader: audio is, to some degree, tactile. The designs of products we use, the intricacy of manipulating software (especially analog), the tubes and the finishes on speakers, all this stuff is designed to inspire its use. If you are drawn to equipment of immaculate fit and finish, you can end up paying more, as a bullet-proof anodized chassis costs more. While build quality is functional in high end audio (as vibrations smear and obscure details), it's also a psychological tool designed to generate tactile desire, which leads to two behaviors: purchase, and use. When you plunk down your money, you are always buying more than just a box of wires—it just takes some time to realize what else you're paying for.
While I couldn't have been less impressed with the outside, I couldn't have been more pleased with the inside. The unit has an overbuilt solid-state power supply, and I couldn't have been more shocked to see 3 discrete bridge rectifiers (responsible for turning wall AC into DC to power the circuitry in the unit) made with fast low noise, soft recovery diodes. Bob Crump (RIP, big guy), famous for his work with John Curl in CTC Builders and for Parasound's awesome Halo line, was a pioneer in parts optimization in audio equipment, and he would always say that the most important part to get right was the bridge rectifier (another part bugaboo: filtered IECs). I've seen gear costing $20k that uses $8 crappy off-the-shelf rectifiers which exhibit the typical sonic faults of such a crappy part: glare in the upper midrange. In my years in audio, I must have upgraded bridge rectifiers with my own soldering iron a dozen times, and whenever I've upgraded a bridge rectifier to a fast, soft recovery rectifier, I've reduced glare and improved transparency in the upper midrange. Well, Audio Horizons was smart enough to spend the $$ on the inside rather than the outside. And they spent it in the right areas: the power supply!
Digging through the inside further, it's a bit of a puzzle. The KISS principle of Keep It Simple Stupid is clearly in effect at times; I count about 12 parts per channel of the gain stage, and 2 of those are the 6922 tubes. For the purists out there, the less parts the better---well, this are only 12, and two of them are tubes that you can select to your liking. This sample unit has the upgraded capacitor option, which means the unit is fitted with Clarity Cap MR coupling caps in the gain stage—one coupling cap per channel, and it's a premium quality part. Another surprise was the inclusion of HiFi Tuning Fuses and a Furtech Gold IEC; I've routinely used these parts to help improve the tonal balance of gear I put them in (they sound a bit warmer and have better harmonic depth), but these things are not cheap when compared to run-of-the-mill 95-cent IECs and fuses, so to see them in such a modestly priced unit was a surprise. Moving on, one thing that caught my attention was that I counted a total of four transformers in the signal path if you're going balanced in and out (but zero if you're using RCA inputs and outputs). They're very high quality Jensen transformers (see a trend here? Fewer, but very high quality parts inside). Output transformers are a great way to change a single ended signal to balanced while reducing noise and overcoming any difficulties associated with long cable runs or impedance mismatches with the partnering amplifier.
However, there's no free lunch: output transformers also can reduce transparency and screw up phase relationships; the more junctions and parts a signal has to travel through, the more likely you'll get anomalies in transparency and temporal relationships (manifest as confused staging and sonic fuzziness). In my auditioning, I did hear slight but consistent differences between going single ended and balanced in the TP 2.2: the balanced in and out configuration rendered a sweeter top end, greater extension at the extremes, and a blacker background (likely from the higher Signal / Noise ratio generated via the Jensen transformers), but these benefits seemed to cost the unit some dynamic expression. Was it a big difference? Nah, I've heard a much bigger difference changing the plating on IEC connectors; you likely won't be disappointed running the unit either way. (BTW, adding the balanced input and output transformers is not included in the stock unit; you have to pay for their inclusion, which adds a good chunk of $$ to the overall cost.)
Also, unless you have a phase switch on your source, or your amp reverses phase, you'll need to reverse the leads on your speakers with this preamplifier. The Audio Horizons TP 2.2 reverses phase, so do make arrangements to reverse it again at some point in the signal path.
Listening Impressions
One of the first things I do when I get a preamp in for evaluation is the old tweeter test. Put a CD in and press 'play' and then 'pause' and slowly ride the volume up while your ear is at the tweeter; good equipment has a low noise floor, while lesser equipment has a lot of noise that comes in the higher the volume goes. Well, the Audio Horizons is a standard-setter when it comes to this test. I can literally go all the way to maximum on the volume control and not pick up any noise at my listening seat, with 90db speakers in a small room. Why is this relevant? Well, low level detail in a recording can only be heard above the noise floor of the system; lots of folks pooh-pooh measurements, but when it comes to preamplifiers, one to pay careful attention to is Signal to Noise. As we lower the noise floor, we get more detail, more dynamics, more transparency—more audio goodness. And like I said, the Audio Horizons is in rare territory for a tube preamplifier, with a S/N ratio of > 120dB when run in balanced configuration.
(Note, the aforementioned was using the balanced connections, and the accompanying input / output transformers with their inherent S/N advantages; when running single-ended, the S/N ratio drops 10dB. When testing single-ended, the amount of noise I picked up at my listening seat was just a bit at maximum gain, a level that would never be touched in regular listening. It was so slight that I had to shut my window and turn off the fan to hear it at all. Incredible.)
With such a remarkable lack of noise per unit of signal, it was no surprise to find the TP 2.2 delivered a remarkable amount of micro-detail, allowing musical cues that are frequently lost to come through. Frankly this was the first thing I noticed when I plugged the unit in, as one isn't expecting world-class detail retrieval at this price point, but there it was. On the track "The Soldiering Life" by The Decemberists, I could hear the singer moving slightly back and forth towards the microphone—I've never heard that before the TP 2.2 was in my system. It's all revealed with the TP 2.2 in the system. None of this detail was of the artificially-hyped spotlight sort, which, while initially impressive, grows tiresome—which I suppose speaks to the unit's well balanced treble; nothing sticks out in the top end. Detail is useless if it's inconsistent with the broader musical message, but the TP 2.2 delivers terrific detail retrieval without a false etch.
Another area that caught my ear and kept my attention throughout was the TP 2.2's dynamics. While micro-dynamics are a function of detail retrieval, its macro-dynamics, the big musical swings, that float my musical boat (thus the Wilson loudspeakers). I've said it in almost every review I've written about amplifying devices: you are listening to your power supply. Well, the TP 2.2 has an overbuilt power supply, which no doubt enables it to deliver the current that will swing voltages up and down as quickly as the music demands. The trombone at the end of Tom Waits' "Burma Shave" is like a gunshot in the room with the TP 2.2. Further, demanding transients are rendered with excellent attack. I never felt the unit compress or harden during dynamic passages, in either balanced or single ended configuration (though, when pressed, I'd say the single ended connections were more dynamic). Most stereos fail in reproducing dynamics properly, but the TP 2.2 is a world class performer in this parameter.
Insofar as tone goes, let me reveal my biases first: I've always liked at least one tube in the signal path, somewhere. Tubes do something that transistors do not; they provide a bit more warmth, sweeter and generally more extended decays, and a bit more harmonic development in the midrange. I've heard solid state sources, preamps and amps that I've liked and enjoyed, but I've always felt that a tube should be in the signal path somewhere (again, my bias) in order to get those aforementioned benefits. However, tubes have their detractors, and understandably so; in addition to more maintenance, tubes generally do not have the frequency extension or the silence that solid state components have. Well, the TP 2.2 has a nice dose of the typical tube-goodness when it comes to tone (extended decays and full harmonic development in the midrange).
As mentioned earlier, the TP 2.2 is exceedingly quiet, and tube rush or hiss will not be an issue intruding on the signal. Frequency extension is excellent, with bass articulation that reaches to house rumbling frequencies, though perhaps shortened a tad. Let me reiterate: I was very surprised by the degree of bass articulation that the TP 2.2 could deliver, as frequently lower priced products can deliver bass articulation, or extension, but not both. The TP 2.2 delivers both in a manner I've not come to expect from a product at this price point. That's what a good power supply will do for you folks; it gets you good bass.
At its price point, I'm loathe to find fault, as it's so good for the money that nit-picking just makes me feel like a testosterone-fueled teenage boy judging the swimsuit segment of a Miss Universe contest. But I've a responsibility to point out areas that I find could be better. So, when compared to some significantly more expensive preamps (i.e. north of $10k), the TP 2.2 has more grain on the signal. It reminds me of when I compared interconnects for a cable manufacturer, where the only change between the cables was in the purity of the wire; the less pure wire had a bit more grunge, and more artifacts riding on the signal, making it seem like fine harmonic details were being lost in an electronic fuzz. I noted the same sensation with the TP 2.2, but this will likely only be noted in highly transparent and ambitious systems.
Another area I'd have preferred to see otherwise was in staging; images are well focused on a compact stage, but everything is shrunk down a bit. Myself, I prefer a more prototypical tube soundstage, which is room melting soundstage and holographic imaging, but the TP 2.2 is more concise. Some will prefer staging as the TP 2.2 delivers; c'est la vie. Moving on, bass was deep and extended and articulate, but it was not full or lingering, it was like the foundation ran out of steam after the initial attack, leaving the overall presentation a bit thinned out. But if you're willing to do a bit of tube swapping, most of these bass and thinness gripes can be removed; tube rollers will salivate over what they can do with the myriad 6922 flavors that they can swap in. In terms of configuration, while the unit was consistent through either configuration, I found myself preferring the single ended inputs and outputs in order to maximize dynamics, while the balanced cables were better for a more sweet yet orderly presentation.
I've always felt that loudspeakers had the toughest job in a stereo system; they have to convert an electrical impulse into a mechanical one that vibrates air in a manner that represents what is on the recording. But I never really thought about what piece in a stereo had the easiest job.
Now? Though subject to constant change, I have formed an opinion of what has the easiest job: it's the preamp. A preamp's job is simple: straight wire with adjustable gain and ability to switch sources. Seemingly simple, no? Well, in my 15 years of experience in this hobby, I can say unequivocally that preamps, all preamps, fail in this regard. They color the sound, commit tonal manipulations, have poor extension at the frequency extremes, or obscure detail—these things are problems in all preamps. It was an unfortunate fact that the preamps which made the fewest errors were also the most expensive. And to a large extent, that's still the case.
However, the Audio Horizons TP 2.2, like all preamps, is not perfect, but the degree of errors it commits is not high, certainly not high enough to preclude its use in very high end systems, and some of those errors can even be corrected with tube rolling. What you get in the TP 2.2 is reference caliber detail and dynamics, along with a smidge of tube sweetness (and the ability to tube roll with great results), at a price that doesn't keep Junior out of college. Would it sound better if it used a 1" thick chassis, or if it were hard wired throughout? Sure it would, those things matter—in the pursuit of the live music experience at home, everything matters! But the designer made the decision: keep the cost of materials down where it most inflates final cost and matters least to sonic performance. Well, it's safe this time around to say: Mission Accomplished.
And while it delivers terrific performance straight up, the TP 2.2 rewards owners who spend some time optimizing it. Give it good power, good tubes, and vibration damping, and it gets into high oxygen country without the "I fly first class on my vacation" cost. Oh, and you have to find yourself a good power cord—I find amusing that Audio Horizons thinks so little of the stock vortex power cords (and believes that audiophiles think the same thing) that they don't even include one in the box; the user will find something better, and should (I did not have the Audio Horizons power cord to audition.). I find the absence of a power cord is just another example of Audio Horizons not adding one unnecessary cent to the cost of the product.
I recall reading a review where the author said that regardless of the uber-performance of stereo equipment that costs as much as a Corvette, it was easier to be enthusiastic about less expensive products that deliver a whole deep-in-the-heart-of-Texas heaping serving of the high-end experience, as they do so with a price that can be afforded by most readers—think Benchmark DAC-1, a product that took the audiophile world by storm, not because of its absolute performance, but because of how good it was for a grand. The MBA's of the world would assign that concept one word: value. It is 'value' when you get more than your money's worth. The consumer and the manufacturer both win in a transaction that offers 'value'.
In this case, audiophiles win. While I've come across better performance, I've not come across a better value in high end audio than the Audio Horizons TP 2.2. And while I did not buy the sample, let me end the suspense: I bought one configured to my tastes (as yours would be). This is a must audition product if you're in the market for a preamp.
(PS: As an owner and an audio DIYer who's pretty slick with a soldering iron, I will be modifying this preamplifier in my user system on audiogon.com, so check into the Rhyno's Den from time to time.) Ryan Coleman
TP 2.2 Linestage
Audio Horizons


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Romney's debate was full of lies. Examination of 9 issues
I One of Romney's bosses
Prime ministers of Israel have secretly involved the US
in 2 wars in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya.
They have received between 30 and 80 billion dollars a year
in weapons from the US for many years. Secret Israeli involvement in
US wars has killed millions and bankrupted the US, weakening our
true security.
They have crushed people alive inside homes that the Israeli
army bulldozes for the sake of settlers illegaly like cuckoo birds taking over other nests.. They have crushed animals in the Gaza zoo
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They have denied electricity and waterto the people whose lands they invaded.
The first bulldozings of Palestinian villages occurred not after WW2 nor during it but in 1937.
They have stolen nuclear weapons technology from the USG, yet have a double standard about Iran and nuclear weapons.
II Romney's Red Complexion
What gives Romney a red complexion?
It's probably not alcohol
but animal cholesterol
The Mormon church owns the biggest cattle ranch in Florida,
is heavily invested in factory farms and slaughterhouses which
cause cancer, heart, disease, kidney disease, food poisoning,
arthritis, diabetes .... as well as animal agony, deforestation
and energy waste.
III Romney Warmonger Re The Sons Of Others But Not His Own
Romney has aggressively supported
every one of the 3 Bush wars...
these wars which have cost more than
the entire deficit.
He would add to this deficit
with 5 trillion tax cuts for the very
wealthy and 2 trillion more for the
war profiteers who give him money.
He wanted more young men sent into harm's
way in Iraq. While men were dying in a crazy
illegal war in Vietnam, he was spreading the
Mormon racist philosophy in 1968, a philosophy
which did not change until the 70's when the NAACP
threatened a boycott of Mormon businesses and Utah.
When Romney was asked if any of his 5 sons were
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miner cave-ins
miner methane gas explosions,
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the billions of animals crushed when
mountaintop explosions occur
the poisoning of the watershed
the moon landscape made of
bulldozing billions of trees
V Romney And Health Care
Romney claimed that he worked to pass health care legislation in Massachusetts. In actuality
the 87% Democratic congress crafted the legislation. He signed the bill rather than ignite the anger of the population. Massachusetts has had good schools since 1620. Romney claims
credit for the fact that Massachusetts is rated 1st in the nation in schools, something
which happened long before he was governor for a single term and which continues to occur since he left.
He was replaced by a Democratic governor.
He is behind 20 points in Massachusetts.
VI Romney's Prevarication Re Jobs
It was interesting to hear Mitt Romney say he would provide more jobs since
a. he fired hundreds of thousands while chief decision maker at Bain Capital
b. he raided corporate assets
c. he stole pension funds
d. requiring the federal government to increase the deficit to pay workers whose pensions he
e. he outsourced jobs many places including China and Mexico
f. his proposed tax plan would give credit to companies setting up business in China
g. he tried to removePentagon jobs from US workers and funnel them to Chinese army connected Chinese company Huawei (see Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter on this issue)
h. he set up factories in China
Romney's Legal Residence
Mitt Romney said 'we' about the people of Massachusetts.
He moved out a while back, selling his home there and his
ski lodge in Utah while pouring millions more into his San Diego
seaside mansion. He has homes in Michigan, New Hampshire and
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After BP dumped trillions of gallons of neurotoxic
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of its massive oil spills into tar bills, they were still
washing up on shore during Hurricane Isaac, while
the oil and neurotoxin in the marine mammals, marine
bards, shellfish and other fish in the Gulf makes the
flesh of those who did not die poisonous.
Despite this, pawn of big oil Mitt Romney wants
to double the offshore drilling permits.
VIII Time Warner CNN's Fraud During Debates
We watched the Obama Romney debate (Gary Johnson as well as the Greens, Socialists,
Constitution Party and other parties excluded by the Presidential Debate Commission).
Unfortunately our only option at the restaurant was warmonger Time Warner's CNN
with former Jerusalem Post reporter Wolf Blitzer doing the pre debate spin.
We noticed that Time Warner lighting darkened the blue screen behind Obama and projected a lot of light onto the blue screen behind Romney
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My dad's had the duffle cut, but I am not sure if he did it over there or over here. I do know that he told me on the train coming back that they were allowed to only bring one firearm back and no live ammo.
Were there any restrictions in WWII about bringing back German weapons. I know Lugers, P38's, and 98K's were brought back, but were MP 40's or any others allowed? Foxman Also, why were certain 98k rifles brought back intact, and some succumbed to the duffle cut. Were GI's in combat allowed to store war prizes to the rear echelon or did they send them right away? Just curious.
My dad's had the duffle cut, but I am not sure if he did it over there or over here. I do know that he told me on the train coming back that they were allowed to only bring one firearm back and no live ammo.
The ones that were shipped home in boxes were intact. The regular joe that brought it home "in hand" had to store it in his sea (duffel) bag. The stock, intact, would stick out the top and was not allowed. The only way around it aside from leaving it in Germany was to do a "duffel" cut to make it all fit inside where out of sight was out of mind.
Talk is cheap because supply always exceeds demand.
I was watching documentary footage of US troops registering their bringbacks at the field HQ. It was going smooth. One G.I. brought up a K98k and registered it with an officer behind a folding table, then another GI brought up two pistols with the officer admiring one of them a luger. Then a third G.I. brought up an MP40 and was told he could not take that home, and what was he thinking.
So it seems from that footage I viewed that there were restrictions on what could be brought back.
My Dad, who passed 11 years ago, told me after ww2 when his troop ship docked in New York that MP's were checking duffle bags ect and taking every weapon that didnt have papers. He said there was a pile of MP 40s, and even an MG 42 that was confisated. Then they got to a guy with nothing but guns in his bag, they told him he had to turn them over. He called them REMFs and pulled out a grenade and told them they could have it all but he was keeping this "little pin". They turned white, let him go and didnt check any other bags. I am sure after talking to some vets that had stuff taken form them, that the guys taking it kept it for them selves.
My Dad tried to bring back a carbine and some pistols from Okinawa, but they were told on the troop ship to dump all weapons overboard after some clowns had a shootout over a craps game.
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Plenty of MP40s, MP/Stg.s, etc. were brought back by GIs. So many that they had to have an Amnesty in 1968 to allow registration of them all. I think something like 80,000 machine guns were amnesty registered. Plenty are still out there, brought back by vets, never amnesty registered.
The Beretta MAB 38/42 brought back by Sgt. Weaver was registered by him with the US Treasury when he got home in 1946 as a "war relic". He applied to them for permission to "import" it as a war relic, though it was already technically here BATFE had it in their database from this 1946 war relic importation registration.
We sometimes forget that civilian weapons were also brought back by GI's. I have two. One is a sweet little 16ga J.P.Sauer & Sohn double hammergun that is unbelieveable in workmanship. I've corresponded with Sauer in Eckernforde about this piece, and was told that of 25 made in the 1890's, 18 were in the Sauer civilian armory when American GI's overran the Company in 1945.
The other is a small caplock muzzleloading pistol that was given to me by the GI who brought it home. The story on this pistol is, I think, believeable. Said he took it from an old man who happened to be in a basement with his old wife when several GI's entered the basement to spend the night out of bad weather. When asked if he was armed, the old man produced the pistol which was taken from him by the GI who gave it to me. Too bad it wasn't an all matching 1938 ce 98k! When they left the GI's gave the old couple a loaf of bread and a few c-rations. Sounds reasonable to me.
I have a K 98 that was captured by a GI in a motorized unit. He said all the loot taken by the unit was stored and tagged in one of the vehicles. After VE day they returned with the vehicles, loot and all. No search, no paper, no duffel cuts.
My uncle was made postmaster for a small German town after hostilities and sent back many small arms and Mausers to his parent house and sold them after the war. He kept a Luger and an MP40 which his kids eventually sold after he passed away.
ii have a very very long wooden box shipped back by a mp in the 508th marked "HOUSEHOLD GOODS"
I know for a fact there were several firearms.I only got a few items the rest were stolen/sold off years ago...and a live grenade was found in the house and destroyed by the bomb squad our guys brought back some cool stuff..rightfully so
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I grew up in a neighborhood that was mainly vets; WWII, Korean, and later Vietnam. The neighbors were close and would have BBQs, or just hang out in the weekends. I would just sit and listen as they told thier stories over dinner and a beer. I heard some great stuff as the night went on! I have some great memories...
It was a great place to grow up!!!
I grew up in the 80's, while the vets were older, they were still able to go out and do of things. My dad and one or two neighbors would go shooting out in the mesa at least once a month. I remember one neighbor, Mr. B, had quite a few full autos. He'd always had something different when we went out.
I remember shooting Thompsons, MP40's a BAR and either an MG34 or '42 among others. It was over 20+ years ago.
I remember asking my dad where he got them and my dad said Mr.B had brought them back from when he was in the army. I'm not sure if they were registered or not. Knowing Mr.B, probably not.
My dad told me that he had a lot more than what he showed me.
Mr. B died almost 10 years ago, and I wonder what happened to all of the stuff he'd collected over the years. He had some cool stuff!
After he died, his family came in and cleared out the house of everything and put it up for sale. Who knows what happened to his firearms collection.
My parents still live in the same neighborhood, but most of the neighbors have either died, went into nursing homes, or simply moved away.
The 'hood isn't the same, with the gangsters and illegals that have moved in. The places we used to go shooting are now housing developments. It's sad.
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The only firearms that the GIs were prohibited from bring back in WW 2 were the ones they didn't try to. Regulations permitted ANY/ALL trophy firearms, but some units prohibited certain things. Most of the guns brought or shipped back were either by rear echelon troops or after the war was over. The line Inf had no way of carrying anything but a pistol with them on a daily basis. If you were in an Arty, Armored or mech Inf then you had transportation, but not the line Inf.
I have an MG 42 that was shipped home in 1944 and an MP 40 that was hand carried back. Both of these confirmed by batf records. I know this because I tried to register both as dewats in 1966 and the feds came back to me wanting to know where I got them, they were registered as operable.
They found the guy who sent the 40 back and he said he had welded the bolt before he sold it. They never located any relative or anyone in the area in rural SE Colo who knew the people the 42 was sent to so went ahead and registered it as a dewat. I reregistered it as an operable in 68.
The same problem with bringing back trophy firearms existed in Viet Nam as in WW 2 and probably Korea, altho I have never heard what was permitted then. Regulations permitted the return of one (1) war trophy firearm by everyone in country and for some strange reason three (3) by SF and MACV personel. No one in RVN was ever allowed to bring home any full autos.
Most guys didn't know about it and either snuck their SKS or what ever home or just never tried.
Unfortunately there was also the problem with some units Not permitting it even though the Military rules permitted it.
I'm real glad this was the case because I sent a couple of SKSs home with friends and brought 2 SKS, Browning HP and ruskie Makerov back with me.
Course I cheated to get the 4th. I took the Makerov to Hawaii on R &R and gave it to the wife to take home. I have the papers on all of them.
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I was doing some google searching awhile back and was reading about the "bring back" issues with returning WWII GIs. Apparently, there were some legit bring backs and there were a lot of smuggled bring backs. There were hearings in congress about the problem. Newspaper articles covered local crimes committed with bring backs. As the problem grew, the authorities cracked down. I read an article where a returning troop ship was loaded with illegal undocumented bring backs, such as MG42s and such. There were extensive searches to confiscate the illegal weapons. In spite of all the effort, a lot of illegal bring backs made it.
My mom's cousin, a Korea vet, told me that he had a couple of pistols taken from him on the troop ship home. He made it through a few searches on the ship, but got caught before they off loaded. He thinks the pistols were kept by officers in charge and never turned in as required.
I had a First Sgt, WW 2 vet, who brought 2 or 3 pistols back with him. He had done the paperwork. At Jefferson bks in St Louis where he processed out they checked the papers and ask if he had any ammo. He siad no, just the pistols. The guy shoved a box out from under the table and told him to take what he wanted. They had confiscated it from guys who didn't have paper work for it.
I'm sure that the MPs and whoever else that were taking weapons away from guys w/o papers kept any "really nice" specimens for themselves.
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I had many Argentine and Peruvian army officers that went to the US for training or taken courses right after WWII, they brought bringback guns gotten during week end drinking
binges with the GI's that sold Lugers, etc for a few dollars to pay for the fun-I always remember an etched Luger that was a work of art, it belonged to an old argentine colonel
who would have sold it, but I was too young and the price for the Luger was way out of my possibilities-
The Eisenhower Library has some of the general's WW2 bringbacks including a MP-40. I saw this on the History Channel, back when it used to be a history channel. Maybe you can visit them on line these days...
That's interesting Raul. Some people are not aware of the expeditionary forces that South America contributed to fighting in the ETO.
Evidently it must have been OK to bring back deactivated weapons. Over the years, I've seen two (yes two) deactivated FG-42's and one MP-40 with bring-back papers. It may sound unbelievable, but within a 30 mile radius in Indiana, three FG-42's have been discovered; two first models & one second model.
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I wouldn't pay those inflated prices for a demilled bolt action rifle, that costs more than what I paid for a service grade firearm that is still alive...
The NFA tax stamp has always been $200. It was $200 in 1934, in 1945, and 2009. Of course, that applied to a live weapon then, not a "Deactivated War Trophy" or "Dewat". Back then, $200 was lot of money (probably the equivalent of several thousand dollars today). That was the point in 1934, to keep hoodlums from ordering Thompson M1928s from Sears for $100. So, when these things were first treasury registered, or amnesty registered in 1968, many were deactivated or "dewatted" per the requirements of that time, which only meant that the chamber and barrel were "permanently" welded shut.
I've seen this run from a bullet knocked about an inch down the muzzle of an MP40 and an inch of lead solder poured on top (it knocked right out revealing a mint bore and not so much as rubbing any blue off), to a welding rod stuck in the chamber, the chamber welded shut ruining the barrel, and the bolt welded in place, closed. These vets dewatted their own stuff to avoid the $200 tax, and of course, one could buy already dewatted (per period specs) surplus:
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Lots of stuff got by snuck in by G.I.s who were in Vietnam. I remember in separations battlion in Camp Pendleton one guy had what he said were the last few parts he needed for the AK he had sent back in pieces. In 1970 it seemed the M.Ps were more interested in troops sneaking in dope, than guns. The dogs were all sniffing sea bags for dope, but I guess cosmoline didnt bug them. Remember the amnesty boxes to dump your drugs in both here and overseas. When WW2 ended as well as the big drawdown towards the end of the VN war lots of troops coming and going, most wanting to get out, and it seems a lot of stuff got through, w/ def. no paper work. All I wanted was to get home, and wasn't really into guns at that time. I remember the guys who were always complained they couldn't get any ammo for their commie guns!!
Absolutely any method, practice, restriction, hideaway, quantity, variation, ad infinitum that you can imagine happened.
Never underestimate a cunning or determined GI.
A few made their way to the lockup, but stuff happens.
It got harder and more serious over the years, though.
I started late 50s and saw/got some cool stuff.
Got a good .45/vietnam story I ain't tellin'.
I remember a shady friend-of-a-friend in the 70's who had a beater AK he claimed was a Vietnam bring-back. He couldn't get ammo.
My friend has the same kind of story regarding his dad, but with a Beretta Model 1934 pistol.
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Because I don't know any names I'll pass along a couple of related bits. The end of WWII left over 300 liberty ships to slowly gather rust in the port of Wilmington, NC. I've heard from several sources that locals liberated large numbers of unissued US weapons still crated up on board those vessels (many of which abruptly had no war to go to and became little more than floating warehouses). I've heard of folks hauling off crates of M1911s and so on. The liberty ships are long gone (minus a lot of tools and other useful machinery as well from what I've heard), but the stories are still around and pretty consistent. And then there was the guy I met in W. Va. about 20 years ago who lamented the loss of the M60 medium machine gun he'd sent home from Vietnam. The BATF asked him about that one. Seems his wife complained to the authorities that someone had put a machine gun inside the refrigerator her husband sent her! I bet she had some trouble gaining leverage in arguments against the purchase of new guns with the family's hard earned bread for many years afterwards. I doubt there are many shooters who haven't known someone with a war trophy gun -- legal or otherwise. And I've always thought it was interesting that so little trouble is linked to those guns. The country was awash with them after WWII, but we were a people who just didn't produce kids who shot other kids or men who confused murder with justice or accomplishment. That was a rarity then. All that's changed is the culture. If anything, the full autos are fewer and less likely to be in the hands of young men now than ever before.
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A few different stories.
My aunts dad brought home some Lugers, flags medals daggers etc. He also sent a box of stuff to a relative before he came home that had a MP 38 or 40, some potatoe mashers and supposedly his Thompson. I guess the relative never went to the PO and picked up the package. Maybe someone bought it years later for a couple bucks in one of thes auctions?
I was talking to a guy that does hotel buys. A few years back he was doing a buy in SF and this old guy asked him if he bought firearms, sure, he said. The old guy told him to come down to his van. The vet and his wife were in the front seat and the buyer sat in the back. The vet slid a canvas bag back to the buyer, inside was a MP40 with 2 mags full of the orig ammo. He asked if it was registered? The vet showed him the capture papers. The buyer told him it is illegal if it was not registered with ATF and would have to be donated to a museum or destroyed. The vet went off "... these are the only goddamn papers I need....." the vets wife starts bitching"....I told you that thing is illegal...." The buyer did not want to take the chance and passed. Who knows what happened to the weapon?
My local gun dealer told a story about a guy who brought in a Jap type 96 LMG back in the 80's or 90's. He had just bought it at a garage sale for $75 and had no idea what it was.
I was talking to a WII vet who was on a ship bringing troops home. He worked in the kitchen and the infirmory(sp?). He gave a soldier 2 shots of penicillin to cure his clap in trade for a PPK. He said he could have been in big trouble if he got caught, penicillin was like gold back then.
Another soldier traded him a box full of medals for a steak dinner.
I worked with a guy that had a friend in the first gulf war. He workd in transportation and hid a AK inside a tanker truck.
My brother picked up a K98 after the Normandy invasion while his ship(DE Peterson) was docked in England. Came from a British ship back from the beach with a load of German weapons. He had capture papers for it and carried it home after the war. It has a small brass tag with the number 1108 and that was used on the paper instead of the serial. I have it now, a 1940 dated Mauser all matched. He fired it from the ship on the way back and must have cleaned it as the bore is mint....
I grew up in a neighborhood where all us kids were carrying automatic weapons playing cowboys and indians. Nobody cared. Shipping back an automatic weapon from WW2 was simply based on what your CO cared about. In some cases he signed off anything; in others a critical part was removed; in even other cases he told the troops that they're big boys and to use their own judgement; and, oh yes, another person with a MP-38 simply stuck a shipping tag on his and mailed it unpacked from North Africa to his parent's home. There was no rhyme or reason. So, the troops on my street carried everything from a .25 auto to a Japanese light or Czech ZB26. We were prepared to fight indians. A BATF agent reviewing my records last spring asked to see my MP-40, so I had to take an hour off and dig it out of storage. I'm not sure he believed my story that it was my cowboy and indians gun. It had been registered during the 68 amnesty.
A funny story is that 2 FBI agents showed up at my grandparents house about '47 and with copies of souvenir paperwork in hand asked to see my uncle's "Schmeisser." He retrieved the little .25 auto from a drawer and showed it to them. Everyone had a laugh. The agents didn't know Schmeisser made a .25 auto. I was a 6 year old kid watching the whole scene and didn't understand what was going on. I figured it out years later. If my hometown in 1947 was an indication of how many bringbacks there were, there must have been a million.
Some years back while touring a museum, I heard that two weapons in their firearm collection came from a WWII vet who had been wounded in Italy. A couple of months after being sent back to the states to recuperate, he received a wooden box in the mail. Inside was his M1 Thompson and an Stg44 (if I remember correctly, from the soldier or German position that wounded him) sent by his buddies still over in Italy. Apparently the package had no trouble getting to him.
He donated both to the museum late in his life.
Cool story OG. Here is a past thread on a vet bringback:
My Father served in an armored cav unit through France and Germany.
He was a weapons expert, and accumulated a collection of German automatic weapons...MG42, 34, and various other full auto's. He would take them to other units to familiarize them with the enemies weapons.
He had planned to have them dewated, and had his superior's permission. Unfortunately, he came down with dysentary at the end of the war...when he got out of the hospital, all his stuff was gone.
All he was able to bring home was a Norwegian 45, and a French Unique 32, both with papers hand typed in France.
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At the time this is published, we should be crossing Apacheta Pass (4,650 meters/15,255 feet) and one day away from Peru's Machu Picchu. That is, if the scheduled publishing works as it should and we don't need an emergency mule ride or airlift from the top of the mountain.
In preparing for this, the Salkantay Trek, we reflected on other memorable multi-day treks we've completed during our journey around the world.
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1. Annapurna Circuit, Nepal
Fifteen days, 200 kilometers, 5,400 meter summit. An incredible trek through the Himalayas and a brush with fame. Read about this trek here and view photos here.
2. Svaneti, Georgia
A forty kilometer trek from Mestia to Ushguli, in the Republic of Georgia became as much a psychological challenge as a physical one as we learned about the region's history from our Svan hosts. Read about this trek here and view photos here.
3. Altyn Arashan, Kyrgyzstan
Although Ala-Kol Lake evaded us by way of a whiteout, we remember the reward that met us at the end of a long hike past shepherds and yurts: piping, natural hot springs. Read about this trek here and see photos here.
4. Tian Shan Mountains, Kazakhstan
The one that almost killed us, not because the mountains were unconquerable, but because we decided to conquer them without a map. Read about the trek here and view photos here.
5. Kalaw to Inle Lake, Burma (Myanmar)
Three days through the villages and hills of Shan State, watching village children ride water buffalo and listening to young novice monks chant at dawn. View photos from this trek here.
6. Cerro Negro and El Hoyo Volcanoes, Nicaragua
Hiking two volcanoes in one day is enough to wipe out the fittest of travelers. Our reward: a perfect sunrise complete with a rainbow over the valley. Read about this trek here and view photos here.
7. Xela to Lake Atitlan, Guatemala
Three days of sheer uphill or straight downhill hiking left us sore and limping at the shores of Guatemala's Lake Atitlan. But it was worth it. View photos from this trek here.
So how will the Salkantay Trek to Machu Picchu rate? We'll be sure to let you know on the other side.


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