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03 18 July 1943
Back to the battle of 18 July 1943: Itwas short. K-74 launched at 1909h from Naval Air Station Richmond. The assignment of July 18 was only her fourth combat patrol. At 23.40h July 18, K-74 encountered a radar contact at Longitude 23 degrees 59 minutes North/Latitude 080 degrees 49 minutes west. The K-74 settled into the water 23.57h. The battle lasted only 17 minutes from first radar contact with U-134 to hitting the water.
03 01 The Battle
On 10 June 1943 U-134 sailed once more to the Florida coast on her ninth and final patrol. In July she arrived near the Florida Keys.
K-74 departed together with
K-32. The specifics of K-74's patrol were that the K-74 would depart the mainland and patrol south by southwest from the starting point of Key Biscayne. The K-32 meanwhile would patrol south by west across Florida Bay, make a round turn over the Marquesas, and then patrol east to rendezvous with K-74 below Marathon.
K-74 detected U-134 on RADAR in the Straits of Florida at 23:40 on 18 July 1943. The night was bright with almost a full moon. United States Navy doctrine required blimps to stay out of range of surfaced submarines and guide aircraft or ships to attack. The blimp pilot Lieutenant Nelson Grills USNR disregarded this doctrine in an attempt to prevent U-134 from reaching three ships, which passed unescorted through the Florida Straits that night, the
SS Atlantic Coast,
SS Settler and the
SS Northumberland, all directly ahead of the submarine.
The blimp went to 250-feet altitude and commenced a bombing run. Almost simultaneously the submarine spotted the blimp. The blimp crew observed yellow-orange lights begin to flash aboard the submarine indicative of gunfire tracer rounds. An incoming round punctured the Plexiglas windshield of the blimp. The blimp machine gunner returned fire. At about the same moment the submarine was observed to turn portside, thus presenting the slimmest target to the oncoming blimp. The blimp starboard engine nacelle was observed to receive battle damage, and display sparking and flaming. Engine rpm's abruptly decreased, throwing the blimp into drift. The blimp machine gunner expended an entire belt of ammunition, reloaded and continued firing.
With the blimp practically closed on the target, the pilot commanded bombs away. There are articles with the opinion that K-74's two Mark XVII depth charges failed to release, but that's wrong. Two depth charges went straight down and hit the target, exploding in close proximity to the U-boat at the depth they were set to, fifty feet. The anti-aircraft gunfire of the U-boat now resumed. There are other articles mentioning that the boat used her 8.8 cm cannon to fire at the blimp also, causing big holes, but that's wrong too, as the boat did not have such a cannon on deck. Fact is that U-134 used her 2 cm Flak only. The range was point-blank and deadly. The blimp went out of control. It assumed the attitude of standing on its tail; that is, it swung perpendicular to the ocean with the nose of the blimp pointing skyward. The crew was thrown about the blimp cabin as it began to gain altitude, rushing straight up. It rose to an altitude of approximately 1,000 feet, accompanied by severe shaking of the cabin. The blimp threatened to flip over.
To regain control the pilot pulled the releases jettisoning the two outboard fuel slip tanks. These two 380 pound fuel tanks separated and fell away from the underside of the gondola without incident. This loss of weight momentarily renewed buoyancy. The blimp stabilized in a horizontal attitude. It began to descend. The anti-aircraft fire had done severe damage to the blimp's outer envelope, inner helium-filled ballonets and sinews of cabling. The port engine continued to function but the rudder and tail elevators appeared to be shot away. The blimp was going down tail first and unresponsive to control.
The U-boat continued firing. The blimp envelope continued to be riddled by the submarine's anti-aircraft guns as it descended. The pilot and navigator hastily agreed to make for North Elbow Cay. Grills ordered the crew to jettison everything possible to stay aloft. A few toolboxes and bits of spindle drift were tossed overboard. The crew braced for emergency landing at sea. As the blimp neared the water the starboard engine turned over. The tail of the blimp touched the water. The propeller blades sliced into the sea and cut out. The blimp car began to settle onto the water at 23.57h.
None of the ten-man crew was injured (according to the reports, though three of them received the Purple Hart?) and all moved away from K-74 to avoid anticipated depth charge detonations when it sank. K-74 remained afloat for eight hours, however. The remaining two depth charges exploded next morning only. Set for a depth of 50-feet and still attached to the blimp, they went off as the blimp car wreckage settled to that depth.
Lt. Grille's Report
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03 02 After the Battle
All but one of K-74's crew were rescued the following day by
the destroyer USS Dahlgren(DD-187/AG-91, Clemson Class,
(Lt.Cdr. Maurice Mortimer "Doc" DeWolf, USN) and the submarine chaser
USS SC-657 (rescued Grills, who was detected by AMM3c Max May of blimp K-32). Aviation Machinist's Mate second class Isadore Stressel, the bombardier, drowned shortly before rescue, probably attacked by sharks, and became the only United States Navy airshipman to die as a result of enemy action. About 13.47h
Coast Guard Patrol Craft 464 (CG- 83314) and
Coast Guard Patrol Craft 466 (CG- 83316) joined USS Dahlgreen. At 15.45h they were reinforced by
the brand-new destroyer USS Reuben James II (DE-153, Buckley-class,
Lt.Cdr. Frank Daniel Giambattista, USN, ship named in honor of the
USS Reuben James I (DD-245, Clemson-class,
LtCdr. Heywood Lane Edwards, USN, torpedoed and sunk in action before war was declared 31 October 1941 while escorting the British convoy HX-156). United States Navy Sub Chaser 511
(SC 497 Class, later USCGC Air Cardinal WAVR 413) and Sub Chaser 657 (later Soviet BO-307) arrived soon after.
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USS Dahlgren and the rest continued to hunt for the submarine, closing up the line to 2,000 yard intervals. During this time they were joined by three destroyer escorts:
USS Brennan (DE 13, (ex HMS Bentinck, BDE-13), Evarts class,
Lt.Cdr. Mark Edwin Dennett, USN),
USS Edgar G. Chase (DE 16, Evarts class,
Lt.Cdr. James J. Morony, USNR),
USS Andres (DE 45, Evarts class, Lt.Cdr. Clayton Rogers Simmers, USN) and
Patrol Craft 613 (CG- 83362, later Dominican De Febrero P 101).
They did not find the submarine.
Daily Mirror Frontpage, 31 July 1943
After the U-134 submarine debacle LT Nelson Grills was not considered a hero, but it was thought about to court martial him. In the meantime he was sent around to all the blimp bases on the east coast, and maybe elsewhere to describe to all pilots what happened and what went wrong. His talk and Q and A took over an hour and was repeated often enough so that all pilots got the message.
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03 03 Photos of the wrecked K-74
Many articles mention that U-134 came back that night and pulled part of the wreckage aboard for photographs and evaluation. The authors write that U-134 had passed the images of K-74 to another U-boat prior to being sunk and the United States Navy was unaware K-74 had been boarded until the photographs were discovered in 1958. The
photos were published in the January 1958 issue of the PROCEEDINGS Magazine.
Fact is that U-134 had not met any other U-boat on its return passage and the published photos were taken from another U-boat, salvaging a barrage balloon hull, but were used as propaganda photos for illustrating the success of U-134. This is very easy to determine, as one salvage photo shows a deck-gun on the submarine and U-134 had none, as can be seen on the photos made during the airplane attacks.
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As said before U-134 had no lucky
journey. I partly quote from the (reconstructed)
war diary of the boat.
8 July 1943
The boat was attacked by 8 depth charges from a Bermuda based US Navy aircraft
Martin PBM 3C Mariner P-3
(pilot Lieutenant William Wolcott Soverel,crew members co-pilot Lt. (Jg) Thomas John Hitchcock, navigator Ensign W. S. Wade, flight engineer L. E. Smith and gunner J. P. Brown, Aviation Radioman Third Class G. N. Levaklis) of
Squadron VP 201 (plane P3). The bombs fell short and boat survived the attack undamaged.
The plane was badly hit by the U-Boat Flak, but managed to return.
Report of Lt Soverell
From U-134
July 8 1920 Hrs DD9475 Attacked by a low flying seaplane using 6-8 bombs and gunfire without effect. We got good shots into the flying boat. 108 cubic meters (of fuel remaining).
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18 Jul 1943
Aircraft attack, aircraft shot down: American Blimp K-74 (squadron ZP-21) (ZP = Zeppelin Patrol)
From U-134
July 19 at DM5216 night attack by a Navy airship with five bombs and gunfire. Main ballast tank #5, starboard quick diving tank, and starboard #4 damaged. Shot down the airship. Many 2-centimeter ammunition misfires.
(Remark: U-134 states an attack with five bombs, which is impossible, as K-74 had only four and dropped only two. But in addition Lt. Grills released the two outboard fuel tanks, which might have been considered as depth charges also. So the error of the submariners is only one bomb.)
19 July 1943
During an all-out hunt for the U-134 an American
VenturaAircraft PV-1 (pilot John C. Lawrence) (of bombing squadron VB-132 under
LtCdr. Thomas Hinman Moorer) from NAAS Boca Chica Key West found and attacked the boat twice with 3 depth charges causing serious damage to the forward battery.
Attack Report
From U-134
0603 Longitude 24 degrees 10 minutes North/Latitude 79 degrees 40 minutes west.
July 29:
Must fall back to mid-Atlantic for repairs. Damage from the attack of July 19 and night of the 20th surprise attack by fast land airplane at DM2925. That aircraft put three bombs under my forecastle. Battery No. 2 and torpedo tube No. 4 are out of service. Our attack periscope only has partial visibility. 71 cubic meters (18,900 gallons of fuel) remaining.
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21 August 1943
The boat was attacked by a
Grumman F4F Wildcat FM-3
(pilot Lieutenant (Jg) Ygnacio 'Nat'T. Toulon III) and a
Grumman TBF 1 Avenger T-9 of squadron VC-25 (pilot Lieutenant (Jg) Morris LaVerne Nelson, crew members radioman W. A. Clark and gunner Petty Officer First Class L. H. Hellwig or Helwig) from the escort-carrier
USS Croatan (ACV-25, redesignated CVE 25 July 15, 1943, Captain John B. Lyon (or Lyons?), USN). This was first war cruise of the USS Croatan together with this "Hunter-Killer" group, consisting of the
destroyers USS Paul Jones (DD 230, Clemson class,
Lt.Cdr. John Joseph Hourihan, USN),
USS Belknap (DD 251, Clemson class, Lt.Cdr. Sylvius Gazze, USN) and
USS Parrot (DD 218, Clemson class, Lt.Cdr. John Nelson Hughes, USN), to make up Task Group 21.15, escorting convoy UGS 14 (between North African ports and the U.S.). Returning from the skirmish to USS Croatan, the Wildcat FM-3 crashed on landing, sweeping away the barrier and damaging propeller and landing gear. So did a second FM returning from patrol to refuel. By the time the deck was cleared and a second strike launched in the right direction the target was gone. USS Paul Jones was sent ahead to attempt to hold-down and regain contact, but failed. At dawn a new search for the boat was launched. It was planned to send four pairs of Avengers and Wildcats, but after the Avengers had been catapulted a catapult failure occurred during the launching of the first Wildcat. This completely disabled the catapult. Due to light winds it was impossible to launch by other than catapult which resulted in the search being made by Avengers only without fighter assistance. This search revealed no further trace of the submarine.
From U-134
August 21(last message of U-134)
1959 Hours Attacked (again) by an aircraft.
B.d.U. Closing Assessment
U-134 does not signal its return to home base. U-134 does not respond to order to report position on September 6. U-134 probably destroyed during the attack reported August 21. As a result of September 6, 1943, effective September 15 she is listed missing in action with "One Star." As of June 3, 1944 missing in action with "Two Stars."
Total loss is to be assumed. For the Commander, U-boats Chief of Operations
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24 August 1943
U-134 was still alive after 21 August, but was finally sunk on 24 August 1943 near Vigo, Spain, by six depth charges from a British
Vickers Wellington XIV aircraft (pilot Canadian Flying Officer Donald Farquhar McRae, serial number J9405, crew: Flight Officer R. K. Senior, Royal Australian Air Force,as captain and wireless operator air gunner, Flight Officer R.W. Hegan, Flight Sergeants G.V. Cormack and J. Stead British and Flight Sergeant D.E. McKenzie, Royal New Zealand Air Force) of
No. 179 Squadron RAF from Gibraltar. All 48 men on board of the submarine died.
To be continued with the question if Blimp K-14 was also shot down....
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The 2 hangers are still at Moffet Field, and one is in use by commercial blimps, but one is at least partly disassembled to replace the PCB contaminated exterior. Five other WWII wooden blimp hangers survive.
By the time of this incident there were no "Zepplins" in the USN. The Los Angeles, ZR-3, built as war reperations for the US by Zepplin at Friedrichshafen, 1923-24, had been scrapped in 1939. The ZMC-2 metalclad, really an experimental aluminum blimp, had been scrapped in 1941. Calling it a rigid airship was a stretch as its .08 in. thick alclad riveted shell would have buckled and collapsed in a heap unless kept pressurized by its ballonets. When the engines were turned off in the hanger it had to be hung from the overhead by a large number of guy wires.
The ZMC-2 was the prototype blimp left over from the Akron/Macon program,. The Metalcald Airship Corporation, formerly the Aircraft Development Corporation, had proposed it for the USNs rigid airship program, but bcause of its novel construction it was relegated to one small experimental blimp. To cut the costs it was made short, with a low fineness ratio, and thus had some control problems.
BTW the loss rate from accidents and storms were very high for blimps. Of the 166 blimps built for the USN from the K class of WWII on, 126 were lost. Most common causes were weather and ground proximity, usually handling, takeoof, landing. One former blimp pilot told me that sometimes thunderstorms were unavoidable. Then you couldn't go around them or come close to climbing over them, and didn't have the power to control where you went in them. All you could do was hope it spit you out the other side in one piece.
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05 Blimp K-14 also shot down?
There are rumours that a second blimp was shot down by a submarine. A U-boat sighting and the events that followed were recorded in government documents, declassified and released to the public in 1991. On July 2, 1944 Earnest Stanley and Merrill Stanley, fishermen on the Frolic out of Southwest Harbor, reported seeing a submarine at 10:45 that morning. They saw a periscope travelling at about 12 knots at a distance of 300 yards from their boat which was located 13 miles southeast by south from Baker Island at the entrance of Frenchmans Bay. The periscope disappeared soon after they had sighted it. They saw "a hull 60 to 90 feet long, approximately 20 feet under water, making a straight wake 25-35 feet wide with patches of oil. They observed the wake for one-half hour." The weather was clear, the seas calm and practically no wind. The Navy responded by sending vessels and a K type blimp, the K-14, assigned to
ZP-11 based at
NAS South Weymouth
(CO Capt James L. Fisher), Shea Field, South Weymouth, MA, to investigate the report.
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Later the crew of the airship K-14 failed to report in as scheduled while looking for a German sub off Mount Desert Rock, 20 miles offshore from Mount Desert Island. Just a handful of survivors from the crew were found clinging to
wreckage the next day. While the U.S. Navy's reports claim the crash was caused by pilot error, there are many airship experts who believe that there is ample evidence to prove the blimp was shot down and the truth hidden to prevent panicking the citizenry.
A Board of Inquiry at the First Naval District in Boston convened three days after the tragedy on July 5, treating Ensign William J. McDonnell, the K-14's senior pilot, and Ensign Ernest A. Sharp, also a pilot, as defendants. The Board sought to determine whether the loss of the blimp was due to personnel failure, mechanical failure or enemy action. Among those who testified was Ensign Carl M. Levine, another pilot, who was asleep during the mishap and saw little of what happened. The fourth survivor, Aviation Machinist's Mate Chesley M. Johnson, who was eating in the galley at the time of the crash, told a grim tail of struggling in the night sea, looking for the fins of sharks and trying unsuccessfully to reach Drzewiecki, who apparently became entangled in fabric from the bag and drowned.
The six men who perished were Lt. Carl W. Kluber, Aviation Machinist's Mate Second Class John V. Oldar, Aviation Radioman Second Class John B. Powles, Aviation Electrician's Mate Walter P. Ozesky, Aviation Radioman Third Class William H. Munro and Aviation Metalsmith Third Class Edward J. Drzewiecki. In the aftermath of the nocturnal crash, Drzewiecki escaped alive and clung to the fins of the blimp protruding above the water, but he could not be saved. Munro's body was not recovered immediately.
There are some evidences that K-14 did not crash because of a pilot's error, but after a battle. One was the fact that inside the gondola, salvagers found numerous empty bullet casings from the .50-caliber machine gun that was part of the blimp's standard armament. Two depth charges were missing and, from the placement of the wires used to arm them when they were deployed, officials state they appeared to be live and ready to explode at a depth of 50 feet when they left the cab. There were holes in the gondola and the balloon, which might have been caused by 20 mm bullets. Several independent observers on the night of 2 July reported hearing two big explosions, and gunfire, in the vicinity of the blimp's patrol.
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But the blimp pilots McDonnell and Sharp never claimed to have spotted or engaged an enemy submarine and did not comment on the possibility that a U-boat might have fired on them without being seen first. Another problem is that no German ship seems to have been around there. Especially
U-233, a large 2710 tons type XB boat under Kapitänleutnant Hans Steen of the
12th flotilla under
Fregattenkapitän Klaus Scholtz, which often is credited with having shot down K-14, did not report anything of a battle with a blimp. Neither did the U-boat survivors during their interrogation on board USS Card.
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U-233 had left Kiel, Germany on 27 May 1944 for a planned mine-laying patrol outside of Halifax.
U-233 was sunk three days after the K-14 accident 5 July 1944 south-east of Halifax, in position 42.16N, 59.49W, i.e. very far away from the K-14 wreck, by ramming, depth charges and gunfire from the US destroyer escorts
USS Baker (DE 190, Cannon-class, Lt.Cdr. Norman Cutten Hoffman, USNR) and
USS Thomas II (DE 102, Cannon-class,
Lt.Cdr. David M. Kellogg, USNR). 32 submariners died, among them
Kapitänleutnant Hans Steen, who was buried at sea, and 29 survivors.
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The destroyers were from HUK Task Group 22.10, consisting of
USS Card (CVE 11,
Capt. Robert Cummings Young, USN) and the Escort Division 48, Commander George A. Parkinson, U.S.N.R. (on U.S.S. Thomas), with USS Thomas II, USS Baker,
USS Bostwick (DE 103, Cannon-class, Lt.Cdr. John Henry Church, Jr., USNR),
USS Breeman (DE 104, Cannon-class, Lt.Cdr. Edward N. W. Hunter, USNR) and
USS Bronstein (DE 189, Cannon-class,
Lt. Sheldon Hoard Kinney, USN).
No one up to now seems to have had the idea that the blimp might have been a victim of friendly fire, but this is speculation also.
To be continued with other K-Blimp successes during WW2 ........
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06 Other K-Blimp successes during WW2
During four years of war-service
34 K-ships were lost because of errors and faulty equipment design, and 77 officers and men were killed.K-ships facilitated rescue to hundreds of shipwrecked mariners, downed aviators and stranded personnel. They bombed literally hundreds of suspected submarine contacts, but they never got credit for sinking one.
It appears highly probable, though, that on 12 March 1942 the
airship K-6 under the command of Lieutenant George R. Lee inflicted the first (minor) damage upon an enemy submarine in US waters in WW II, the
U-94 of
Oberleutnant z.S. Otto Ites.
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06 02 U-1226 orType XI-B boat
Due to a submarine sighting by a commercial Pan-Am Plane on 25 October 1944, the Naval Airship Squadron ZP-11 under
lieutenant commander Cecil Austen Bolam, USN, based at South Weymouth, Massachusetts ordered one of its eight airships, the Naval Blimp
K-25, to divert from its escort patrol 60 miles to the northeast and to investigate the reported sighting. Local vessels of the Northern Ship Lane Patrol are also ordered to the scene, which included
two Coast Guard 83-footers and
two 110 foot Sub-Chasers. Joseph F. Fallon III, the former U.S. Navy blimp K-25 pilot, says he dropped a bomb that
blew a hole in the just submerging submarine behind the conning tower off Cape Cod. Veteran interviews indicate that the subject U-Boat was
probably sunk by K-25, with the small surface vessels conducting a 48 hour surface search for survivors and debris. The official records support the follow-up search for debris.
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This boat might have been U-1226, a 1545 tons type IXC/40 boat under Oblt. August-Wilhelm Claussen. Fact is that the boat probably was lost that day, at least it was listed as lost missing 28 October 1944, but the U-boat register seems to suggest that the last known position of that U-boat was just off Iceland.
There have been reports though (originating in 1993 and not confirmed up to now!) that a boat has been found in 41ft of water only 4 miles off Cape Cod, USA. According to those reports the boat was sunk by US Navy aircraft on October 28, 1944.
Scans of the boat showed it is huge, much larger than any other WW2 boat. So rumors go on that it is a3630 tons
Type XI-B boat, U-112, which officially never was commissioned, if ever built.
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06 03 U-879 or U-857
14 April 1945 U-879 (Type IXC-40,
Kapitänleutnant Erwin Manchen) or
U-857 (Type IXC-40, Kapitänleutnant Rudolf Premauer), both belonging to 33rd flotilla under
Korvettenkapitän Günther Kuhnke, sank
the Belgian Steam Merchant SS Belgian Airman (6959 BRT, Master E. Cailloux) north of Cape Hatteras. 18 April one of those boats sank
the US Tanker SS Swiftscout (8300 BRT, Master Peter Katsaris) and damaged
the Norwegian Tanker SS Katy (6825 BRT, Master Reidar Thorn) 23 April east off Cape Hatteras. It is not clear which boat did what.
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Trying to attack convoy KN-382 one of the boats was detected 29 April by
the frigate USS Natchez (PF-2). The task group 02.10 with the escort destroyers
USS Coffman (DE 191, Cannon-class,
Lt.Cdr. William H. Putnam, USNR), USS Bostwick (DE 103, LtCdr.Church, Jr., USNR) and USS Thomas II (DE 102, Lt.Cdr. Kellogg, USNR) arrived and sank the boat with depth charges east of the Delaware Bay.
Most probably the other submarine was detected 18 April east of Norfolk by the US blimp K-72 of
ZP-24 from
NAS Weeksville, NC, armed with two depth charges and two "FIDO"-Mk. 24 homing torpedoes (called the Mark 24 Mine), and sunk with a torpedo. 52 dead (all hands lost). However the military has never officially acknowledged this claim and as it stands, there is still no official explanation for why U-857 (or U-879) went missing in April 1945.
Goodyear ZNP-K, K Class Airship K-72 BuNo 30194 seen here 1954 when based at Lakehurst, NJ, at Dayton, Ohio, air show.
Report from blimp K-72
Naval Message– 18 April 1945 [from 10th Fleet, Nat'l Archives]
Report from USS ANNAPOLIS (PF-15) (Tacoma-class frigate, Cdr. M. F. Garfield, USCG, from 24 November 1947 Mexican ARM General Vicente Guerrero)
COMDR. GARFIELD: "In what capacity were you serving during General Quarters on 18 April, 1945?"
SIBLEY: "I was Quartermaster of the Watch, Sir."
COMDR. GARFIELD: Tell in your own words the chronicle of events of the attack made on the 18th of April, 1945.
SIBLEY: We were called to General Quarters at 1610, at 1612 we changed course to 110^ true. Speed was reduced to Standard, 140 RPM, and then at 1615 we changed course to 45^ True and dropped eleven (11) Mark & Depth Charges on Pattern Able. At 1616 all engines at flank, 175 RPM. And then at 1617 we were ordered to cease dropping Depth Charges and one (1) minute later decreased speed to Standard. At 1620, the order was given to stand-by the Hedgehogs. Speed was decreased to two-thirds (2/3), 110 RPM., at 1622, we increased to Standard. Then at 1623 we increased to full and then decreased to two-thirds (2/3) at the same time. We changed the course to 275^ True. At 1623 we changed course to 290^. At 1624 we were ordered to Steer Gun Training Bearings which was 280^ True. At 1626, we fired twentyfour (24) Hedgehogs (7.2 projectiles). Then we were given left full rudder we increased to Standard. We then searched the area at various courses and speeds, which are part of the ship's log. At 1659 all engines stopped, we were lying to. The Navy blimps dropped a mile square pattern of sonar buoys in the vicinity of the first Depth Charge Contact between 260 and 275^ True. At 1830 a concussion was felt throughout the entire ship, origin unknown. (probably the Homing Torpedo detonated) At 1845 all engines were ahead full preparing to drop Depth Charges at the request of the Navy Blimps. At 1848 all engines stopped while the Navy Blimps dropped the two (2) additional Sonar Buoys. Our Heading at the time being 300^ True.
COMDR. GARFIELD: Do you remember seeing any unusual amount of smoke in the vicinity of the buoys?
SIBLEY: Yes, one of the buoys on the port bow at about 3000 yards distance had an unusual amount of smoke.
COMDR. GARFIELD: What do you mean by an unusual amount of smoke? Could two of these smoke bombs have done the same thing?
SIBLEY: No sir, there was more smoke than two of them should have made.
COMDR. GARFIELD: Do you think the amount of smoke bombs the blimps dropped could have created that much smoke?
SIBLEY: I don't think I would be qualified to say.
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06 03 U-853, the Battle of Point Judith
The last blimp attack against a German submarine happened 6 May 1945. The victim was
U-853 (Type IXC/40,
Oblt. Helmut Frömsdorf). The boat was nick named by her crew "Der Seiltänzer" ("Tightrope Walker"). She departed on 23 February 1945 and was on her 3rd war patrol. 23 Apr 1945 she sank
the patrol craft USS PE-56 "Eagle" (430 tons, Lt James Early, USNR).
The destroyer USS Selfridge (DD-357, Porter-class,
LtCdr. Lewis Levi Snider) approached and depth-charged a possible contact. However, after scouring the area, the task group commander concluded that the sinking was not the result of a submarine attack.
So 5 May 1945 the submarine sank another ship, the American steam merchant
Black Point (5,353 tons, Master Charles E. Prior). Twelve men lost their lives in the sinking, while 34 crew members were rescued by ships that soon converged upon the area. One of these ships, the SS Kamen, immediately sent an SOS report of the torpedoing and the hunt for the U-853 began.
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The nearest warships were the vessels of TF60.7, five vessels under the command of Cdr Francis C. B. McCune on USS Ericsson, escorting convoy GUS 84, with
the destroyers USS Ericsson (DD 440, Gleaves-class,
Lt.Cdr. Charles Alexander Baldwin),
USS Atherton (DE 169, cannon class, Lt.Cdr. Paul L. Mansell, Jr., USNR, some references say LtCdr. Lewis Iselin),
USS Amick (DE-168, cannon class, Lt.Cdr. Francis Creath Brewer McCune, USN, some references say Lt.Cdr. E. L. Barsumian), and
USS Moberly (PF-63, Tacoma class Frigate, Lt.Cdr.Leslie B. Tollaksen, USCG). Those ships carried out probably
devastating attacks with more than 200 depth charges against U-853 on 6 May 1945. The struggle was a perilous one. In fact, shortly after midnight on May 6, the Moberly and the Atherton both damaged themselves by failing to avoid the explosions of their own depth charges.
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Two blimps from ZP-12 in
NAS Lakehurst took off and localised the submarine. Those were the Blimp K-16, piloted by Lt. (jg) John T. Clark, and Blimp K-58, piloted by Lt. (jg) Max I Zabst. Both Blimps also dropped depth charges against the contact they gained, but it can't be ascertained which attack, by ship or by air, actually sank U-853.
USS Atherton and
USS Moberly received credit for the kill
For years after U-853 was sunk, there were stories of her being loaded down with gold bullion, she sits at about 130 feet down off Block Island, is easily accessible to divers, but despite many salvage attempts over the intervening years, divers have penetrated the wreck, but no treasure trove has been recovered.
There is just some debris, picked up immediately after the battle. Divers later also found some more
and some papers.
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No senility or beer damage, I am sure, Marcus!
Especially Blimp L-8 would have been an interesting article also, but a L-class blimp did not really fit into the article on K-class blimps.
For those who do not know about the Ghost Blimp here are some notes and photos and a link.
ZP-32 from Moffett Field used Naval Air Facility Treasure Island as a forward base for antisubmarine patrols of the approaches to San Francisco Bay. A few hours after its morning launch from Treasure Island on 16 August 1942,
the blimp L-8
floated back to shore -
minus its two-man crew Lt. (Jg) Ernest D. Cody and Ens. Charles E. Adams - prompting one of the greatest mysteries (never solved) of World War II.
L-8 landed a few miles away on a street in nearby Daly City, Calif., after hitting a house and two cars.
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On the loss of the K-14 the best source of information would be the incidence reports all of which should be in the official report of the Board of Inquiry.
Often when popular writers and the press gets done with them the resulting accounts of what really happened vary widely from the facts. An example of this is the infamous "Lost Squadron" of 5 TBMs, off Florida on Dec 5, 1945. This tragedy was sucked into the vortex of the Bermuda Triangle myth, but I found the real story in a copy of the Board of Inquiry report in the NAVAIR library.
The squadron leader on a bombing and navigation training mission had just transferred from Key West, had been out, apparently drinking, until about 4AM, had a hangover and little sleep, but insisted on taking the mission. He lost his bearings after a compass failure, started to fly north, normal procedure to reach the mainland in the Keys, found nothing but water, reversed course in a panic, and in worsening weather led his aircraft back and forth until they crashed from fuel exhaustion. All of this was tracked on radio and some of the other pilots recognized the mistake, wanted to fly west to the mainland, but followed the leader until it was too late.
Adding to the tragedy a search and rescue PBM apparently caught fire and blew up, with the loss of its 13 man crew, on its way to the estimated location, a flash being seen from the shore. All debris from the crashes disappeared in the storm that had come up late in the day.
Further obscuring the true story the mother of the squadron leader used her political pull to get him exonerated in 1947 by the Board for Correction of Naval Records.
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kw, you have been outdoing yourself lately. The last few quizzes have been most excellent with so much info that the average person would otherwise never see. (Actually, they all are that way but these have been even better.)
This one was a favorite especially since I just saw my first blimp hangar last month on a tour of the west coast.
Thank you.
08 K-14 again
In this case the conclusion of the Board of Inquiry might be questioned. It states pilot error, but many researchers have another opinion and think, the blimp was shot down. There are many articles dealing with K-14, but instead of doing an own article (which was my intention for this quiz first) I quote from Noon Balloon The Official Newsletter of THE NAVAL AIRSHIP ASSOCIATION, INC. No. 74 Summer 2007 (with some additional photos and information):
the submerged K-14 is all the more upsetting knowing we have no realistic way of researching what really happened.
Our teams most baffling action began off Bar Harbor, Maine, on 2 JUL 44 when (per ZP-11 War Diary) a fisherman used his Navy supplied radio to report he had sighted the wake of a submerged submarine. Already aloft, The K-14 had been ordered to make a MAD search for a submarine At 2115 hours The K-14 was conducting a MAD search at an altitude of between 200 and 250 feet A vessel nearby, the APc-94, recorded in its log that her crew felt two depth charge concussions about 2130. The Board of Inquirys (BofI) Finding of Facts stated the arming wires were still attached to the bomb racks, indicating that the bombs left their racks armed Three fishing vessels in nearby waters reported feeling the detonations. ZP-11 Diary recorded the two Mark 47 bombs which the blimp had carried outboard were missing. The fuse arming wires were still secured to the bomb rack, proving that the two bombs sank armed, and undoubtedly detonated. Eastern Sea Frontier - Northern Group Reports (ESF-NG) noted later No off hand explanation could be given for the failure to find two known depth charges in the after racks and no [other] accounting was given for the dead fish in the area...
Machine gun fire was also noted. A Coast Guard watchman ashore reported hearing gunfire and seeing flashes. Inside the K-14, the 5th of July salvage diver reported... a lot of .50 caliber shells all strewn around... inside the car. ESF-NG Reports: There have been numerous reports of heavy explosions and gunfire and machine gun fire at or about the time the K-14 crashed which may have been responsible for the crash.
Though it does not speculate why, the ZP-11 Diary states: Ensign Sharp shouted that the ship was going to crash. The ship crashed into the water, throwing Ensign McDonnell against the Navigators table The blimp car immediately filled with water Kluber, Oldar, Ozesky and Powles were trapped inside the sinking car, and drowned.
When the K-14 could not be raised on radio, the Ypc-94 proceeded toward her last known location, logging that it encountered a half-mile long heavy oil slick. When they found the K-14 wreck, two more crewmen had perished. An Army crash boat photographed the bow of the envelope lying on the surface (below) later scribbling the caption on the photos back,
Wreckage of the Navy blimp K-14, was shot down by a U-boat. (Dairy) the four remaining survivors were taken aboard the Patriot.
ZP-11 scrambled to the scene: K-25 flew out from South Weymouth and joined the K-34 to continue the search into the night of 4 July. The K-15 on hove Patrol sighted what resembled a periscope and beather [breather] 200 yards astern for a period of approximately 20 seconds Rumors abounded back at the base. Shipmate Lou Prost: The skipper CDR Bolam informed us that we should not blame [pilot at controls] Ernie for the crash but he could not tell us any more Ernie Sharp was transferred out of the squadron immediately. Command pilot McDonnells roommate Bob Forand told us, While at Bar Harbor, I observed a lot of activity going on, with meetings in small groups, with dignitaries and reps from the Eastern Sea Frontier, the Squadron, and Bar Harbor command.
Meanwhile the car was cut loose and the envelope towed back to shore (below).
Whenever a ship is lost, a Board of Inquiry is formed to determine the cause. Their Finding of Facts also states examination of the bag showed there were about 40 feet of the after section missing. Numerous small holes were found The Diary repeats, The entire tail section of the envelope was missing. ZP-11's Grant Southward found and examined holes in the envelope, cutting out samples for tests submitted to a Navy facility. Test results to determine the weapon caliber, if run, were never released.
The Board of Inquiry nonetheless ruled K-14s loss and her crews deaths an accident, specifically pilot error, blaming command pilot McDonnell. The decision was not unanimous and did not sit well with some people aware of the action. In 1977 Commander Alex W. Moffat, USN (Ret.) published his memoir A NAVY MAVERICK COMES OF AGE (Bantam Books, 1977): It was obvious that the court wanted no record of any sub attack in those waters. At the hearing they admitted no evidence except that obtained from interrogating the survivors. It would not even accept in evidence the written statement of the technicians that they found many bullet holes in the fabric... When the bag was spread out on the field they were able to determine that the bullets entered the bag aft of the car and exited at the top amidships.
Fred Morin, a South Weymouth activist, had pursued the K-14 case with the Navy. In November of 2003 W. S. Dudley, then the Navy Departments Director of Naval History, wrote to Fred discussing the case. A strong argument is made based on various records showing there is no record of a U-boat in the area of Bar Harbor, Maine 2-4 JUL 44.
U-107 (Lt. z.S. Karl Heinz Fritz), which had been there, was mid-Atlantic by then and U-233, while inbound, never got close. (Survivors of both boats were reached directly or indirectly by the chairman and both verified they were not involved in a fight with an airship.) However those cited records also showed no U-boat was lost in Atlantic waters not far from Lakehurst but one was found there anyway, torpedoed. It turned out to be the
U-869 (Kapitänleutnant Hellmut Neuerburg), long known to have been sunk a thousand miles away (near Gibraltar). In fact, submarine history is one of continual revision as new information (and wrecks) comes to the surface.
The Dudley letter states, In reading the survivors statements, it appears that the consensus was that the blimp simply crashed into the water. Many Ks struck the water accidentally, flying low for MAD, but they recovered. Heavy takeoffs knocked off wheels and whole fins in the dirt, let alone water, without ship loss. K-ship history would seem to have no case where an intact blimp buoyant in the air could quickly sink in the water. In his arguments over the crash of the ZPG-3W years later, experienced command pilot Lundi Moore pointed out an airship could not be deliberately nosed down and flown into the water with such speed as to burst a good bag. Can we detail a combination of actions where McDonnell worked his wheel, pedals, dampers and throttles to cause The entire tail section of the envelope was missing when Ernie Sharp was at the controls? Though at the radar, McDonnell was blamed; what specific inaction of his caused the stern come off so the car would sink like a rock, drowning four men? Unlike airplanes, the K-34, K-57, and even shot-up K-74, settled slowly into the water and allowed the crew to egress. Not surprisingly, investigators suggest K-14 was not only pilot error, but that in combination with mechanical failure, though the Navy never suggested such. Yet even when the K-60s rotten patches caused a fin loss, again the ship only settled.
The Dudley letter suggests the blimp arrives on station the weapons were cleared from the safety position and test fired. Perhaps, this could account for the gunfire heard by several fishermen that were interviewed. By day, certainly; at night, with fishing vessels known to be about, firing the .50-cal into the darkness just to see if it worked seems rather irresponsible. Next, in spite of the literature stating the witnesses heard gunfire and felt concussions, the Dudley letter sidesteps any connection. So, in total, by co-incidence we had a test-firing of the gun just before some undefined miss-piloting and some unexplained mechanical failure caused the stern to separate, setting up what Dudley describes as the two Mk 47 bombs, carried by K-14 and torn off by the impact. Evidence found shows that the bombs sank armed and most likely detonated when they reached the preset depths. Take a look at the K-14 car, (below) with stern damage from dragging on the bottom while suspended from the bag nose:
Does this car look like 700 pounds of Torpex bombs exploded about 50 feet away? And what of the little pink bodies inside, escaping into the water? Not even a headache?
If the twin 350-lb Torpex detonated near their intended target, then a U-boat was likely damaged; indeed, the APc-94 logged encountering a long heavy oil slick as it approached the scene hours later. The Dudley letter sets that aside, and further suggests the holes in the envelope were caused by a grappling hook - that obviously came after the ship lost most of its helium so as to plummet.
Several years ago your chairman joined a group of submarine fans based here in Florida, Sharkhunters, and started enjoying their monthly magazine. When I asked for help on our mystery of 22 JAN 42, they ran my piece and one of their activist members, attorney Paul Lawton, responded with a plausible explanation that we could verify, solving the mystery. Lawton, you may have heard, spearheaded the fight that resulted in the Navy finally reclassifying the loss of Eagle boat #56, supposedly lost the following year to a boiler explosion, to a torpedo attack. K-14 was under the same sea frontier command, and when I asked, Sharkhunters again devoted space to the inquiry and discussion. The fact no U-boat is shown in the area at the time was revisited. Further, Mr. Lawton writes in their following issue, Had the other four survivors taken the truth of some big cover-up to their graves? I believe not, particularly since my experience with the PE-56 survivors not only proved their willingness to set the record straight, but to doggedly pursue the correction of the official record What possible national security concern could keep those men quiet for sixty years, that none would have made a deathbed confession that their mates died as a result of enemy action? As a practicing attorney for 16 years, I know that silence of such a tragic event is not genuinely within reasonable human nature.
Hard to argue with that; since its unlikely someone from Germany will come forward as in the K-74 case, we are beaten. Fred and I may be the only non-ZP-11 members who refuse to believe the K-14 was lost due to pilot error, but we have to admit we have run out of ideas to get the Navy to award these brave men the Purple Heart. That, plus the complete lack of response to the K-72 case, means we are less likely to completely correct the airships score in World War II."
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Very enjoyable reading KH, & great photos, the story of K-14 was especially interesting !
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A mum who was found shot dead at a puppy farm had told a friend she split with the farmer charged with her murder last year.
Christine Lee, 66, and daughter Lucy, 40, suffered fatal shotgun wounds at John Lowe's six acre small-holding in the in the heart of the stockbroker belt on Sunday.
Lowe, 82, was last night charged with two counts of murder of two women in the wealthy village of Tilford near Farnham, Surrey.
He was also charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life. He is due to appear at Guildford Magistrates Court today.
It is believed the farmer struck up an affair with Christine Lee after her daughter Stacey Banner, 39, was caring for his sick partner Susanna Wilson who died last year aged 84.
And Christine, from Chertsey, Surrey, had told a pal that she had dated a farmer for a number of years before they split up in 2013.
Pat Welch, 67, who lives next door to Lucy Lee's bungalow in the affluent area of Virginia Water in Surrey told how she often saw mum and daughter together.
Mrs Welch said: "When I went out walking my dog, Christine would always stop and chat to me.
"She was blonde, small and chatty. Lucy had darker hair and she was a bit chubby.
"She used to keep herself to herself but would always come out and have a chat when I was speaking with Christine.
"When I first met Christine a couple of years ago, she mentioned she was in a relationship with a farmer.
"But I thought they had split up in the last year or so."
Mrs Welch said that Lucy also had a partner, whom she described as a 'big man.'
She added: "Christine intimated to me that Lucy was there for the house rather than the man.
Yesterday there was no answer at the red-brick bungalow in Stroude Road, Virginia Water.
A maroon coloured Volvo estate car was parked on the pebble-stone driveway.
Mrs Welch added: "I'm shocked, I can't believe they are dead.
"I heard about the shooting in Farnham on the news but I hadn't associated it with them.
"It's absolutely dreadful."
Christine's family last night told of their shock at the horrific attack.
Her nephew, Robert James, 46, said: "I found out what happened from the news.
"I couldn't believe it. We're all very shocked. I haven't seen her for a very long time.
"I've no idea what this could be about."
A neighbour at her plush waterside apartment in Chertsey, Surrey, added: "We would see her now and again but she would vanish for months at a time.
"But she was always very nice and friendly.
"She mentioned she had a daughter in Virginia Water and that she was a florist or something.
"It's a terrible thing to have happened."
Yesterday it emerged that several licensed firearms were seized from Mr Lowe's property by Surrey Police, last May but returned in July.
A Surrey police spokeswoman said: "In May 2013 a shotgun licence and a number of licenced shotguns were seized from the address.
"However the licence and guns were returned in July. We are in the process of establishing if one of the guns was the firearm recovered on Sunday."
Christine and her daughter were both found fatally wounded at Mr Lowe's isolated farmhouse at at around 10am on Sunday.
Yesterday Surrey Police confirmed that identities of the mother and daughter and that they had died as a result of gunshot wounds.
Police who arrested Mr Lowe at the scene found the bodies of four dogs nearby which had all been shot and later recovered a 'large barrelled' weapon.
Mr Lowe had been convicted of illegally breeding dogs, largely German Shepherds, Labradoodles and Beagles, at his ramshackle, six acre small-holding in 2009.
Only last August he was reinvestigated by police, council and RSPCA officials for breeding dogs without a licence after 2,7000 signed a petition complaining of his alleged activities.
Mr Lowe was not prosecuted after convincing officials that 50 dogs found at his small-holding actually belonged to Mrs Banner.


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Voting Starts Now For Mays "Mustang" Anything Goes Art Contest At Hotrodders
Hotrodders.com May Art Contest, Voting Starts Now !! Enjoy !!
Voting Starts Now! for this months "Hotrodders Art Challenge" May Edition. Eleven submissions this month from various members here at Hotrodders looking to get in on the contest. A wide variety of styles makes this a hard one to choose from anyones point of view but none the less please join in and vote for the members that jumped in and played. This months contest was an all years Anniversary "Anything Goes Mustang Free For All" and the members did an excellent job of capturing all styles of Mustangs new and old
Plese vote now for YOUR favorite Mustang Muscle Car Classic for the month as you see fit and to your tastes, art is something we all see different and appreciate. The polls for this month will close in five days automatically from this post date.
Winner of the contest gets to choose the next months contest subject.
Enjoy Guys !!
Images have been posted by date of submission and resized for quicker page loading of some artwork, please click on larger link images for higher resolution Artists work, they do appreciate it.
omega's HDR Photo Manipulations
A new style of photography manipulation that is taking over the normal way of shooting, Omega is a newcomer to the contest, give him a hand for participating.
omega's HDR Rousch Mustang
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omega's HDR Photo Manipulations
omega's HDR Mustang In Pairs
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omega's HDR Photo Manipulations
omega's HDR Left For Good
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fortypickup's Muscle Mustang Vector Illustration
Forty never lets you down coming up with some sic' stuff to add to the competitions as a veteran, this one looks really tough, both versions are included colored and non colored. Forty has been a past winner and is definately an artist in a pure vector style of illustration reminds you alot of Dave Deal.
fortypickup's Muscle Mustang
Colored Version
Non Colored Version
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Colored Version
Non Colored Version
Bowtiekids Night Cruising Mustang Photo Art
Judging by this members name and making his second or third appearance in the contest, he brings a younger view to the appplication of photo art and had no problem going from bowtie to blue oval.
Bowtie Kids Night Cruiser
Cantoon's Wild Tattoo, Roth Style Hand Drawn Mustang Wheelie Toon
Cantoon just started playing in the contest, his past posts showed his skill as a freehand artist with some special talents that make this stuff look classic already. A little Roth, late 60's Gremlins or Monster rods inspired artwork
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57corvette's New Classic Muscle Mustang GT500 Photo Art
A veteran and past winner 57corvette shows a new way to show rides in photgraphic artwork, manipulating images to make them brilliant in color and details, classic work already in the form of color usage, style and different views of a process only he knows.
GT500 Muscle
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BWS's Line Art / Pen and Ink 91 Mustang Illustration
BWS comes to Hotrodders for the first time with some skills not seen often in a draft style pen and ink illustration of his own Mustang. Pen and ink is a tough one to grasp but BWS has a very good handle on it.
Dads Mustang Line Art
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Only Racings Boss 815 Outlaw 10.5 Mustang "Out Of Shape" Photoshop Illustration
My Mustang Entry, All photoshopped up and screaming past you. Love the old and new mix of Boss Mustang and late big Ford Hemi on nitrous.
Standard 1024X768 Wallpaper
Jumbo sized 1440X900 Wallpaper
67camaro101's Wheelstanding Mustang Vector Illustration "High Flying"
67camaro101 brings a level of illustration that is quality worthy of shirt and graphic design, this one features a great angle of a classic Mustang late model fox body launching hard on the track, looks like a shirt in the making. 67camaro101's work has been featured many times in the Hotrodders competitons.
Mustang Wheelstand Illustration
Enjoy Guys, The members should be proud of their talents.
Nice work everybody! Good luck!
WOW ... a lot of entries this month. Great work by all. Good luck to everyone.
Only Racing...Great job on the Narration, really enhances the artwork!
Nice work by all! Gonna be a tuff vote this month!
For all that tried, I thought the narration was something needed this time, so many different styles it gave you some insight into ( at least what I see ) about the artists and their way of portraying the art. Google will see it too I think so it may help people coming to this section.
Doodler, I think you'll be prime for the next challenge, find some time and play next month, would be more the merrier IMO.
For all the artists: Good Job!
I had to flip a coin between my two favorites- decidedly different styles, but both are equally as enjoyable to me.
Good luck to one and all!
The polling is over and "Fortypickup Takes The Win" of this months contest on Hotrodders.com. Great work by all stepping up and creating some awesome artwork of all types !!
Wow, you guys did it again! Nice work! I am p.o.ed at myslf for not getting in on the voting, been on the road quite a bit. I won't miss again! OnlyRacing, fantastic job on the narration, you really gave it a professional layout this time, awesome job! Kudos to all, watch out for Cantoon, gotta love it. :thumbup: Once again, kudos to all. :thumbup:
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Search Google for the term 'mobile speaker' and more than three million results will be returned. There are few more competitive sectors and, for the potential buyer, few more chaotic. Almost every manufacturer has had a go by now offering a plethora of products in different sizes, form factors and price points. Bose is late on the scene, but – being Bose – has added yet another new twist on the sector…
The 'SoundLink Wireless Mobile speaker' was announced earlier this month to a great deal of fanfare. The SoundDock Portable has been the company's long serving iPhone dock for those who like their music on the move, but the SoundLink is significantly smaller, lighter and cheaper. For those lusting after a Bose system it presents a new low entry point.
How much smaller, lighter and cheaper? The SoundLink measures 244 x 130 x 48mm and weighs 1.3Kg verses the SoundDock's 307 x 175 x 103mm and 2.37Kg. It is also £90 less expensive. It's a positive start and seems to fill a hole in Bose's product range. So what do you get? Bose is typically hush hush about the technology inside the SoundLink giving no performance specs whatsoever. To quote the company:
"It combines four low-profile neodymium transducers for clear high- and mid-frequencies, with new dual-opposing passive radiators - designed with a patented waffle-shaped surround - for rich, deep, low notes. With the radiators placed in an opposing fashion, vibration is eliminated, turning the energy into acoustic power. The speaker's audio package is complemented with sophisticated electronics, including Bose digital signal processing algorithms, to reproduce instrument definition and detail at any volume."
That's your lot.
Less ambiguous are the SoundLink's other attributes. It uses Bluetooth and A2DP to pair to devices, holds up to six devices in memory, but only connects to one at a time. Bose quotes a pairing distance of up to 10 metres, a battery life reaching eight hours with a three hour charge time and the obligatory 3.5mm auxiliary jack to connect to any device lacking Bluetooth.
Styling is retro and angular with Bose's distinct silver grill and build quality is typically excellent. The large controls (power, auxiliary source, Bluetooth source [hold to pair], mute and volume up and down) eschew the trend for touch sensitive buttons and feel substantial and durable when pressed. A built in cover automatically switches off the SoundLink when closed and folds underneath creating a stable base when open. The standard version of the SoundLink has a nylon cover, a 'premium' edition upgrades this to leather for £40 more - bringing the price to a hefty £299. Our review unit was the leather edition, which does add a luxury feel, but your bank balance and feelings about animal products will determine whether you have the slightest interest in this.
More to the point, your interest will be far more reliant on how the SoundLink performs and that is far from straightforward…
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too large for travel? so please show me a better alternative! the jambox? it sounds like a toy compared to the soundlink and the jambox distorts at levels where the soundlink sounds best.
a logitech wireless boombox? it is even larger than the soundlink and sounds worse, especially when run from batteries.
i would have also liked the soundlink to be even smaller, but for what it is, it sounds pretty perfect and blows away most larger "portable" speakers i have tried.
I'd have to agree with oluv's take on this.
I bought the SoundLink precisely because, at the size of a typical hardback book, it's perfect for travel. I used to take my SoundDock Portable with me on vacation, but now I can simply slip the SoundLink into my satchel and free up some valuable room in my carry-on bag by leaving the SDP at home.
As far as what audiophiles think of the SoundLink's audio performance, let's remember we're talking about a bluetooth portable speaker, not a Bowers & Wilkins home theater system. Apples and oranges.
For its size and weight, the SL sounds great. As noted in the review, the build quality is excellent and the unit is simple to setup and operate. Bose hit a home run with this one.
Size is a matter of opinion. For my money a portable speaker which ways more than a portable laptop is a significant size and a large part of luggage allowance. It also costs within £50 of the best premium iPod dock currently on the market (the Arcam rCube).
I'd suggest it is too large and too expensive for it is, but what it is IS a good product. Make it 30% smaller and 30% cheaper and it would be superb. We'll keep our fingers crossed for version 2.0.
Please see my reply above. Of course the Jambox doesn't compare, it is 1/4 of the weight, 1/4 of the size. But it is not 1/4 of the sound quality and it is almost half the price. For a hotel room it is more than adequate for most unless you are planning a room party... at which point the SoundLink isn't loud enough.
The SoundLink is a good product, I do say that but it falls between too stools: it is 80% of the cost of a high quality home dock like the rCube and 4x the weight and twice the cost of many travel speakers.
@Gordon: I appreciate your comment, but I still beg to differ.
The Jambox costs 199,-€ officially here in Austria, the Soundlink 299,- So the Jambox is rather 1/3 cheaper instead of 1/2.
Also sizewise I would never manage to fit 4 Jamboxes inside the Soundlink, maybe 3.14159... ;-) have a look here: http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/7964/jamboxundsoundlink10890.jpg
And i don't know if there is sample variation, but my Jambox sounds horrible at higher levels. I had to exchange it twice, but mine still does resonate inside the body, and although I opened it and tried some dampening I was not able to fix it. There are particular frequencies from guitar and piano sounds that make the Jambox sound like a trumpet. Soundwise it is no comparison to the Soundlink. I would definitely say, that the Soundlink sounds 3-4 times better and louder than the Jambox (at least mine).
The Jambox would sound nice near maximum volume, but you already have to fight with distortion at these levels and you have to apply some tricks and place it near a corner or at the ground in order to improve bass-response. At low levels it has no bass, no power, it sounds just like my notebook-speakers. Therefore in my case the Jambox is not an option (even with the new Liveaudio update, which makes the Jambox sound better at low volume but starts to distort at medium levels)
And because you mention a room party: I had the Soundlink in the garden at the pool with some friends and I didn't even need to turn it up to the max to have lots of fun to some Miguel Migs housetrax. This thing can really pump out some serious bass and annoy your nearby neighbours.
The rCube is definitely a compelling speaker, now with the announced discount, although I haven't heard it yet. But here in Austria it still costs 600€. For that price I'll rather take 3 Altec Lansing MIX and spread them around in my garden for maximum sound ;-)
that is great! really, i mean it! thanks for sharing!
Went to isten to the SL never heard a better portable ever
the new soundlink mini is the best portable speaker, period!
it even beats the bigger soundlink, which was no slouch either. of course it cannot reach that high levels, but at comfortable volume it is hard to beat at this size. jambox, jbl charge, beats pill etc become toys soundwise when directly compared.
so why haven't you already tried or reviewed the soundlink mini then?
it is 1/4 the size, but soundwise even better than the bigger version.
I tried out every bluetooth speaker I could find and very nearly went down the Bose route. However, at the last moment I discovered the recently announced Denon Envaya Mini DSB100 (smaller brother to the larger Envaya DSB200).
It has literally unbelievable sound for £99 and really sets an incredible standard for a speaker that size. TR should definitely try to get hold of one for testing.
Genuinely, if you are looking to buy the Soundlink Mini or similar, then do all you can to try the Envaya Mini first. I cannot recommend it enough.
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Pics of said tires
the 195/45's
the 215/40's
Nearly new
Pics of said tires
the 195/45's
the 215/40's
Nearly new
Need fenders,doors,headlights,tails for mk2 golf.
2 teardrops wit tires, 75$ txt only 508 five five 8 nine 2 2 eight
wtb a mkiv european light switch if anybody has one they're selling
if anyone is interested, i can bring a sony 12" sub in bandpass box with sony 800w amp $200obo. kenwood 200w amp $50 obo. lightning audio 150.2 amp $50 obo. some 9004 yellow bulbs $5. mk3 bentley manual $40. txt 413 813 8876
..Newport Dubs..
I am bringing
Mk3 items:
Mk3 grey center console complete,
tan glove box and knee bar,
full grey interior plastics
2 liter air box with maf housing, unmolested
Mk4 1.8t stuff:
Both knock sensors
stock diverter
cam position sensor
egr valve
vacuum tank
clutch slave cylinder
Pioneer XMp3- XM player that is also a mp3 player. Has a micro SD card. Can rewind, fast forward and record XM shows on it. Is portable and about the size of Ipod Touch. Great if you have multiple cars and only 1 XM subscription. Move it car to car. Check it out.
All prices are negotiable. Make an offer, you may be surprised.
id take a set of 205/40/17 if any ones got any or any g60 motor mods such as ...cam,3.5 bar fpr,chip,biger than stock injectors, smaller that stock gladder pully(68 mm would be cool) just a few things id like to get my hands on if u have any thing of this sort pm me and ill give you my cell # and we could meet up
I am going to be bring up a set of MK2 flares. They are for small bumper big molding. Im an ass and bought the wrong ones. Just want to get what I paid back.
WTB rear coilover perch's for mk4 2079433331-text
I will be there with these. Yes they're as close to perfect as can be.
Dub, short pronunciation of the letter W
Will make the following available if anyone is interested:
MKV/Passat B6 smoked mirror signals:
Passat B6 smoked signals:
MKV/Passat B6 Neupseed 25mm rear swaybar:
Passat B6 custom front grill:
Passat B6 Koni FSD's and Driver Gear springs ~40,000 miles (little bouncy when taken off):
I have some rocco goodies id be willing to sell.
- euro headlights
- euro clear turn signals
- fully polished 16v intake manifold upper and lower
- polished 16v valve cover
- carbon fiber hood
- 10 point autopower bolt in roll cage powder coated black
pm me if your interested
i will have 18x8 et35 schmidt jacklines polished lip black faces in 6/10 condition $550 no tires
Bringing for the swapmeet:
BBS RM 15", set of 4
Spearco Front Mount Intercooler, large
Polished OBD1 VR6 upper intake w/ISV
Two vr6 lower intake manifolds
OBD2 VR6 exhaust manifolds, pair
Vr6 downpipe with good flex
4" K&N filter for larger MAF, new
Mk3/mk2 boost tubes
Greddy type s BOV
EIP OBD1 STG2 turbo EPROM
OBD1 VR6 engine harness, coilpack
Vr6 maf sensors
G60 mk2 front flares, NOS
Ce2 fuse panel
Ce2 mk2 jetta rear harness
16v Motronic harness/ecu
Vr6 fuel rail w/4bar fpr
Bumblebee Tuna
Posting for user Big Lug (http://forums.vwvortex.com/member.php?46838-Big-Lug). These are NOT my items and I will NOT reply to any IMs about them. You need to contact HIM if you have any questions:
i was gonna bring some stuff to dustoff to sell if there is any interest.
2 pairs of gti/gli 16v front recaros one power one manual. no rips
front ur s4 black leather recaros need two seat motors, which can come off of stock seats.
mkI gti dashpad red no cracks
02 s4 stock cat back exhaust with 2k miles
v8 s4 cat back with less than 300 miles
rt side headlight for 100/a6/ur s4 brand new glass is perfect
left headlight assy for 02 a6
l/r pickup truck tail light housings. not messed up at all
one set of pistons for the oettenger 16v on a 1.6L the head doesnt work without these only seen one other set
fresh bertils/shine racing rebuilt cylinder head for a 1.5 1.6 or 1.7. huge ports, comes with the welded port matched fully polished intake. huge carb cam. this is for scca gt lights type engines.
two solex carbs need to be rebuilt come with screened ram horns
1.8l 16v block with an abt 2.0l kit installed. it was running strong in my nephews jetta when he was rear ended. this was high end euro parts way back
high compression 2.0L 8v. techtonics custom head that then went to extrude hone, schrick 280 cam. fully thermocoated (tbc) combustion chamber, valve faces, and piston crowns. the intake and exhaust manifold / downpipe are also done in the tbc and were extrude honed also. european theormostatic oil cooler/filter mount. adjustable cam gear.
this motor came out of a car that was the subject of a series of articles in vw& porsche called lurching towards success. google then buy.
2.0L 16v with an eaton blower. same deal with all the coatings. 9:1 custom pistons. this was the follow up engine to lurching.
4 ats type 1 ultralights. 15x7 only 100 sets produced
4 custom made revolution rims 16x7.5 or 8 made to fit on mk I chassis. nice dunlop sp 8000s
4 helios bbs rims 15x6
nunc est Bibendum
10 cylinders, 10 doors, 8 rings
"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person" - Andy Rooney
By vrsiq at 2012-04-10
By vrsiq at 2012-04-10
No road rash what so ever. Decent Nexen
all weather rubber. 75% tread. Sadly one
of the center caps was stolen. Have 3.
Want more pictures?, post your email.
Looking for 17's in the same shape. Good rubber n all.
Looking for locals only, unless you want to drive to me.
Show me what you've got.
im looking for a set of coil overs for a cabriolet!!! i hope someone have it for sale there
looking for a black front VW emblem and a DV either forge or APR
I will be bringing a refinished set of 18x8,5 RS6 replicas, three of which are painted orange. 300 obo takes them. No rubber. Could bring 205/40/18 Yokohama s-drives if anyone would be interested as well. 774 402-0926 if anyone's interested beforehand
New South performance mk2 center console 3 gauge plastic
momo knob polished aluminum c.1994
1992 16v GTi starter
Kamei upper grill spoiler mk2, attached to grill with chrome badge
2x10" slimline aftermarket fans, nearly new
1x10" Jegs slimline fan, new in box
battery box
OB2 ABA smog pump
Lots of mk2 interior parts/seatbelts
Lots of relays and switches mk1/mk2
Bumblebee Tuna
Brand new badgeless grill for mk4 jetta.
I'm bringing a dimple dash, 3.5 rear bumper (red), TONS of mk2 parts (Euro console, 16v intake manifolds, etc), Neuspeed/Bilstien suspension (Mk2/3). Anything Mk2, holla at me! lol.
I will have a van full of new and used parts for many diff models of cars, I will be in the swap meet area. and pricing is " you name the price" everything must go.


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You may recall that we are the family that was driving 1978 vintage autos till we got this new T & C.
Well, I never had one of these foam/plastic (or whatever they are?) bumpers before now. So how do you attach the front license plate?
There are two little dimples in the front bumper that line up with the top two holes in the license plate. Does one just drill those out and use a sheet metal type screws to hold the license plate?
What type of material is behind those dimples?
The license plate would extend down far enough that it would block some of the air flow to the components behind (? radiator, air conditioning evaporator, aux tranmission cooler, oil cooler w tow package?).
Checking the owner's manual and the service manual so far, I have not found any mention of attaching the front license plate.
I think (but am not sure) that California requires that the front license plate is displayed. I need to observe cars on the streets to see if it is present on most cars.
Thanks for any information that you can provide on this topic.


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Head-on crash kills SUV drivers
August 12, 2013 10:20 AM
KANE (AP) — State police said a head-on collision killed the drivers of two sport utility vehicles and injured two other people.
Police in McKean County said an SUV traveling on Route 321 in Wetmore Township crossed the centerline and struck another SUV shortly after midnight Saturday.
Police said Michael Kennedy, 19, was pronounced dead at the scene by the county coroner.
They said Justine Bowser, 35, was taken to Kane Community Hospital, where she was pronounced dead of her injuries.
Two juveniles in her vehicle had minor injuries.
Police said the crash remains under investigation.


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Boxing News
Bradley 7-Day Weigh-In!
WBC light welterweight champion Timothy "Desert Storm" Bradley weighed in for the mandatory WBC 7-day weigh in hours before his departure to Montreal Canada, where he will clash against Kendall "R-Rated" Holt as the main event of the evening in front of thousands of fight fans The Bell Centre and many more on SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING on Saturday. The 12-round bout for the WBC-WBO Unification is being co-promoted by Gary Shaw Productions, LLC, Bob Arum's Top Rank, Inc., Thompson Boxing Promotions, Inc. and Gillett Entertainment Group. The chiseled champion weighed in at: 143.5 pounds as he took to the scale earlier today. Leaving only 3.5 pounds to lose until fight night, well within the WBC requirements.


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This version of the Flyer is made with our extra tough, organic leather for high mileage cyclists. It also features our hand hammered copper rivets.
The Flyer and its ladies model Flyer S are classically sprung saddles for long distance trekking and touring. It is directly descending from the B66 Champion, first featured in the 1927 catalogue. Sharing the same leather tops of the B17 models, they combine the comfort of these popular models with the extra suspension granted by two rear springs. Both are available with tubular steel rivets or with hand hammered copper rivets.
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- Width: 175mm
- Height: 87mm
- Weight: 890g