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The front entrances of Thorndale station, looking northwest on September 29, 2012, the first full day the station was open after renovation. The pilasters framing the doors and the ornamentation around the light fixtures convey the station's Prairie School influences. For a larger view, click here. (Photo by Graham Garfield)
Thorndale Avenue and Broadway, Edgewater
Service Notes:
Red Line: Howard
Owl Service
Quick Facts:
Address: 1118 W. Thorndale Avenue
Established: February 14, 1915
Original Line: Northwestern Elevated Railroad
Previous Names: none
Rebuilt: 1921, 2012
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Status: In Use
"L" service first entered north Chicago and Evanston by way of an agreement to use the tracks of the Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railway's tracks, replacing the steam service that the St. Paul had previously provided. The Chicago City Council authorized the electrification of the tracks of the Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul Railroad's tracks from Graceland Avenue (Irving Park Road) to the city limits on July 1, 1907. Unlike Evanston (as per the 1907 franchise agreement from the city), the Chicago City Council did not require that the grade-level tracks be elevated, but they did prohibit the use of a third rail for safety's sake, necessitating the use of overhead trolley wire. "L" service north of Wilson to Central Avenue in Evanston began on May 16, 1908.
Track Elevation and a New Station
Thorndale station is seen looking west on Thorndale Avenue circa the 1940s. Although the details have changed -- the partitions, furniture, and stairway enclosures on the platform; the identification sign on the viaduct; the cars and street lights on the street -- the structure is the same today. For a larger view, click here. (Photo from the CTA Collection)
In the mid-1910s, the Northwestern Elevated began to elevate the tracks north from Wilson to Howard, but work was slow due to the city's refusal to close intersecting streets and the narrow right-of-way. The elevation work involved complex staging and the temporary relocation of tracks to maintain service while building the new elevated embankment in the same right-of-way.
Unlike the other locations along the new "L" extension where there are currently stations, the St. Paul had not had a station at Thorndale Avenue. Other new stations added during the elevation project included Edgewater Beach [Berwyn] and Lawrence. During the elevation process, on February 14, 1915, the Thorndale station first opened. In early 1916, trains were moved onto a temporary trestle, allowing demolition of the original tracks and stations, but construction of a permanent embankment had to wait until the end of World War I due to a materials shortage. This seems to indicate that the Thorndale station at this time was temporary, as the embankment had not been completed.
As part of the track elevation, a new, permanent station was constructed. The entrance to the "L" station was located on the north side of Thorndale Avenue. The station had a design typical of the facilities built as part of the Wilson-Howard elevation project. Designed by architect Charles P. Rawson and engineered by C.F Loweth, the architectural design was a Prairie School-influenced vernacular form, with the Prairie influence seen most acutely in the ornamental cement pilasters on the front facade and in the details of the wooden doors, windows, and ticket agents' booths. The exterior was brick and cast concrete with a bedford stone base, wooden doors and large plate glass windows and transoms. Ornamental globed light fixtures decorated the pilaster capitals. The station house was centered within the solid-fill embankment, with retail spaces flanking it on both sides filling in the remaining width of the embankment.
The interior of Thorndale station is largely unchanged in this view looking north in 1971 -- the original glazed brick and plaster walls, flooring, and wooden ticket agent's booth are still original -- but the details have begun to change with the times, such as the fluorescent fixtures and the agent's booth painted white, to present a brighter, more "modern" appearance. For a larger view, click here. (CTA photo, from the Graham Garfield Collection)
The interior was rendered in plaster, wood, glazed brick, and brick with terrazzo floors. There were arches stretching across the interior between the support columns. In the center of the interior, passengers found a decorative wooden ticket agent's booth with ornamental woodwork and a metal grille over the ticket agent's window. The station also had public restrooms.
There were four tracks through Thorndale station, but the outer two tracks were for express trains and were not served by the station. A single island platform between the two center tracks served local trains. The platform had wood decking and a canopy with metal columns down the center line which split into gently-curving gull wing-shaped roof supports, supporting a wooden canopy roof. The stairs were sheltered by wooden enclosures with wooden bottoms and windows on top, divided into rows of square panes, with swinging doors at the front of each enclosure. Like most of the stations north of Lawrence, there was originally an auxiliary exit, located on the south side of the street, descending down in the middle of retail spaces built under the elevated. The auxiliary exit was closed and removed some time in the CTA era.
In December 1920, it was reported that the Thorndale station, along with Argyle, Edgewater Beach, Bryn Mawr, Granville, and Jarvis, would be completed by late Spring 1921.1 By early 1922, the new four track mainline was completed, allowing full express service to the city limits.
Recent Developments
The island platform at Thorndale, looking south on September 4, 2001, from just north of the north stairs to the station house. The canopy supports and roof structure all date from the construction of the station in the early 1920s. The new gray Green Line Graphic Standard sign was added in the late 1990s, though in a modified fashion: the colored tabs on either side (which would be red here) are omitted because the existing brackets could not accommodate them. For a larger view, click here. (Photo by Graham Garfield)
Thorndale was one of five Chicago Transit Authority sites that were the first to provide access to vehicles belonging to I-GO, a car-sharing program. At their August 11, 2004 meeting, the Chicago Transit Board approved the agreement between the CTA , the Center for Neighborhood Technology (CNT) and its affiliate I-GO Car Sharing (I-GO) to promote the use of public transportation by providing additional options for public transit users. The agreement established a yearlong pilot program where members can access I-GO vehicles at locations adjacent to or near public transportation.
In 2006, the station name signs and column signs on the platform were replaced, with Green Line Graphic Standard signs replacing the KDR Standard graphics, and new entrance signs installed as part of a signage upgrade project on the Red Line. As part of this effort, the station also received granite compass roses inset into the sidewalk in front of the station entrance to assist customers leaving the station to navigate their way, and three-sided galvanized steel pylons in the station house and on the platform to display maps and station timetables.
In 2008, the canopy at Thorndale was refurbished. The roof was removed and replaced with a new corrugated metal top. Wood panelling was installed under the metal cover, visible to passengers standing on the platform and looking up at the canopy, to maintain the historic aesthetic and design of the station canopy. The metal canopy supports were stripped and repainted. New lighting was also installed as part of the renovation. Around the same time, a white, perforated drop ceiling and new lighting were installed inside the station as well.
North Red Line Life-Extension Renovations
By the early 21st century, the stations, track, and elevated infrastructure on the north Red Line, between Wilson and Howard, were in severe need of rehabilitation, both to maintain a good state of repair as well as to modernize certain systems and amenities. The scale of the work and the funding necessary to undertake it were large enough that a broad study and planning effort were needed to properly scope the work and apply for sufficient funding. While this study was undertaken, and due to the presumed amount of time it would take to complete the study, secure funding, and complete design engineering, the CTA felt it was necessary to undertake modest-scale renovations in the meantime to extend the life of the existing infrastructure.
Construction crews work to remove the old wooden decking and joists on the Thorndale platform on August 18, 2012, the day after the station closed. The work will leave only the steel canopy structure and support stringers, which were refurbished, reinforced, and reused in the new station. After additional supports were installed, a new precast concrete deck was erected. For a larger view, click here. (CTA Photo)
On February 8, 2012, the Chicago Transit Board approved the awarding of a design/build contract to Kiewit Infrastructure Co. to rehabilitate seven rail stations on the North Main Line section of the Red Line: Jarvis, Morse, Granville, Thorndale, Berwyn, Argyle and Lawrence. The work would provide a life-extension for the seven stations until a long-term capital improvement plan is determined for this portion of the Red Line as part of the Red-Purple Modernization Project (see below). "These interim improvements are important because we cannot postpone repairs which need our immediate attention. The CTA wants to be good stewards of the infrastructure we have now, as we continue to plan for the future and pursue additional funding," said CTA President Forrest Claypool. "This contract will allow us to quickly address some much needed capital maintenance work, while also improving the quality and experience for our riders and neighbors."
Kiewit Infrastructure Co. was awarded the contract to through a competitive bid process. Design work began in Spring 2012. Per the terms of the contract, construction was to conclude in early 2013 (though most work was actually completed by the end of 2012) and was not to exceed $57.4 million for services, labor and materials.
Construction plans included temporary station closures for no more than six weeks. Adjacent stations were not closed simultaneously. To minimize impact to customers, service reroutes were scheduled for overnight and weekends only.
Improvement work at each location included renovations to the station facilities, the viaduct, and the tracks. The station houses received new windows, doors and exterior lighting; exterior tuck pointing; improved station layouts; new turnstiles; new interior finishes, including new wall tiling, floors, walls and ceilings; new signage and interior lighting; and site improvements including sidewalk repairs and new bike racks. The platform deck structure and foundation was replaced, the platform fixtures, furnishings and canopy improved, and a new customer communication system installed. Concrete repairs to the viaducts and to the track-level walls were made at each station, and a new waterproofing and drainage system was installed. In addition, the viaducts received painting/coating and new, brighter lighting under the viaducts. New track, ties, and ballast was laid through the station area.2
The interior of the renovated Thorndale station is seen looking west in the unpaid area on September 29, 2012. The rehabilitation gutted the interior and installed new terrazzo flooring, wall tiles, cement plaster walls and ceiling, lighting, and fixtures. The floor space was also expanded into adjacent former retail space -- the farecard vending machines are in what was formerly a separate storefront. For a larger view, click here. (Photo by Graham Garfield)
The exterior masonry, including the brick walls and concrete trim, was cleaned and the brickwork re-tuckpointed. The wooden door and window frames were removed and a new dark brown aluminum storefront installed. New globed lights were installed on the piers.
Inside, the station house was gutted down to the structural shell. The retail spaces that originally flanked the station house on both sides were demolished and the common walls removed so that the station interior could be expanded into the former rental spaces. The concession stand added inside the station house opposite the agent's booth at an earlier date was removed as well. The enlarged station interior allowed for a more open space and improved passenger circulation. Farecard vending machines and the new Customer Assistant kiosk were installed in the former west retail space. The floor space formerly occupied by the east rental space was divided up, with the area toward the front of the station included in the newly expanded passenger space. A new wall was constructed roughly where the former wall between the station and rental space was to create a new enclosure, with the space in the middle of the station house for a concessionaire and the space in the rear for storage.
The interior walls were clad in new white modular glazed brick similar to the original material, though with some difference -- while the walls were originally clad only to a height just over 6 feet from the floor with plaster walls and ornamental trim above, nearly all of the renovated station interior's walls were clad in glazed brick up to the new suspended plaster ceiling. In addition, the free-standing columns, which originally were also tiled up to a height of about 6 feet and topped with a bullnose trim course, had their tiling removed and were refinished with a smooth plaster-cement skim coat. The middle portions of the center set of arches were removed, with the curved arches modified to taper up to the ceiling; the arches on the ends of the colonnades remain intact. The original ornamental trim on the plaster walls was not replicated in the renovated station, except on the rear angled wall under the south stairs to the platform which retained the original design of glazed brick extended up to a height of 6 feet, topped with a rounded bullnose trim, and cement plaster coating the walls above. In addition, the decorative tan art marble piers with ornamental Prairie School capitals that flank the front doors inside the station were retained and refurbished, and the original cast iron newel posts at the bottom of the stair railings were kept. A new light gray terrazzo floor with dark gray edges along the walls was installed on top of a sand cushion, and a new plaster ceiling installed with recessed lighting. A new Customer Assistant kiosk was also installed, typical of those installed by the CTA at new Brown Line stations and other recent projects like the renovations at North/Clybourn and Cermak-Chinatown, with stainless steel lower walls and roof and glass panels on all side for maximum visibility.
The only portion of the renovated interior that maintained the original style of white tiled walls up to a six-foot height, topped with a bullnose trim, and ornamental trim in the cement-plaster walls above, were the walls on the sides and back of the south stairs up to the platform. The west side wall is seen looking south toward the turnstiles and front of the station on September 29, 2012. For a larger view, click here. (Photo by Graham Garfield)
The wooden platform deck was completely removed and new foundations and supports installed to supplement the original structure. A new precast concrete deck was installed, edged with blue tactile panels. The original 1921 platform canopy was retained, stripped, rehabilitated, and repainted. The canopy roof installed in 2008, including the wooden paneling on the passenger-facing underside to replicate the look of the original roofing, was retained. New fixtures including galvanized steel windbreaks and stairway enclosures, new benches, lighting, sandboxes, speakers, and signage were installed.
Installing elevators to make all the stations wheelchair-accessible is not part of the short-term project.3 Work was also planned for the roofs of adjacent station buildings, so that inside concession spaces can be leased and begin to generate revenue for the Authority.4
Thorndale temporarily closed for renovation at the end of the day August 17, 2012. The station reopened following renovation at 10pm, Friday, September 28, 2012.
Funding for the station rehabilitation project is from the Federal Transportation Administration (FTA) and is part of the $1 billion Red Line investment project. The $1 billion capital investment is a combination of state, local and federal funds, which will support other Red Line projects including track and station renewal along the Dan Ryan branch; the renovation of the Clark/Division and Wilson stations; and several other track, substation and station renewal projects along the North Side Main Line.
In addition to the renovation of the station, a "bike hub" was built across from the station on the south side of Thorndale Avenue underneath the elevated structure, in the space formerly occupied by retail spaces and the auxiliary exit from the platform (long since removed). The Thorndale Bike Hub, which was developed in cooperation between Alderman Harry Osterman, CTA, and the Chicago Department of Transportation (CDOT), includes well-designed racks for a capacity of 60 bikes and a new bike fix-it station for cyclists to utilize. CDOT will install a safe crosswalk under the viaduct and there will be new, bright lighting throughout the space. The bike hub is planned to be completed a few months after the station reopened.5 Although independent of the station renovation project, the installation of the bike facility was timed to coincide with the station improvement work.
The scope for the seven north Red Line stations also included new original artwork. At Thorndale, the installation was a glass mosaic, entitled "Thrive," designed by Jim Bachor. The mosaic is located on the columns that forms the arched colonnade that crosses the width of the interior unpaid area. The design depicts plants growing from the base of the columns and blooming into different icons that represent the neighborhood, such as a painter's palette, a sand pail and a school building. The artwork was fabricated in Munich, Germany, and installed inside the station in October 2014.6
Red-Purple Lines Modernization (RPM) Project
Due to the deteriorating condition of the infrastructure on the Red Line north of Belmont and on the Purple Line, the CTA initiated the Red-Purple Modernization Project (RPM) to bring the existing transit stations, track systems, and structures into a state of good repair. The project, which stretches along the existing Red and Purple lines from north of Belmont station to Linden terminal, would help bring the existing transit line into a state of good repair, reduce travel times, improve access to job markets and destinations, and provide improved access to people with disabilities.
The project began in 2009 with a vision study to assess the scope of needs and develop a set of alternatives for study. In 2010, in accordance with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), CTA and Federal Transit Administration (FTA) initiated the environmental review process for the project and undertook work to develop an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS). The process included numerous public meetings and input opportunities, and study of various alternatives for achieving a good state of repair for the infrastructure in the project area.
A number of alternatives are under consideration for the RPM project, including the comprehensive reconstruction of track, stations, and structures along the line. The four options currently under consideration and study, not including an FTA-required "no action" baseline scenario, include:
The Modernization with Station Consolidation option includes the consolidation of Thorndale station with the Granville and Bryn Mawr stations by closing the existing Thorndale station and adding entrances to Granville and Bryn Mawr -- at Glenlake Avenue for Granville station, approximately one block north of Thorndale station and one block south of Granville station.; and at Hollywood Avenue, approximately two blocks south of Thorndale station and one block north of Bryn Mawr station.
Other alternatives considered earlier in the study but subsequently eliminated due to public comment and further study included basic rehabilitation without adding a transfer station at Loyola, a modernization option with only three tracks between Lawrence and Howard, and a modernization option with a 2-track subway under Broadway.
The full-scale modernization envisioned on the Red-Purple Modernization Project could cost anywhere from $2.5 to $5 billion. On February 8, 2012, the CTA board retained Goldman Sachs & Co. to lead the search for public-private partnerships to help finance the reconstruction, which has no firm date. Goldman Sachs will work with Chicago-based Loop Capital Markets LLC and Estrada Hinojosa & Co., but will accept no fee for the first year as it determines the ability to raise private capital.
See CTA's Red & Purple Modernization page for more information about the scoping and planning process, and the various alternatives being considered.
The Thorndale island platform, looking north on September 29, 2012, following renovation. The gullwing canopy is original to the 1921 station, but the recent rehabilitation replaced the wood platform deck with precast concrete, refurbished the canopy structure, and provided new platform signage and furniture. The wood beadboard under the canopy, installed in 2008 to provide a similar appearance to the canopy's original roofing, was retained in the renovation. For a larger view, click here. (Photo by Graham Garfield)
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1. "3 NEW STATIONS ON NORTH SIDE "L" READY JAN. 1." Chicago Daily Tribune, 1920 Dec. 1, pg. 21.
2. Red North Station Interim Improvements webpage. Chicago Transit Authority, retrieved 25 March 2012.
3. Hilkevitch, Jon. "$57.4 million facelift program OK'd for 7 North Side stops on CTA's Red Line." Chicago Tribune. 8 February 2012.
4. Roberts, Bob. "Major Renovations Coming To Multiple Red Line Stations." CBS Chicago. 9 February 2012.
5. "New Thorndale Station and Bike Hub." News from the 48th Ward: Focus on Thorndale. 48thward.org. Accessed 11 October 2012.
6. Woodard, Benjamin. "Artist Jim Bachor's Mosaic 'Thrive' Installed at Thorndale 'L' Station", DNAinfo Chicago, October 9, 2014.


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At Swim-Two-Birds (1939)
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While I can appreciate why others might enjoy Flann O'Brien's "At Swim-Two-Birds," reading it was akin to torture to me. I'm not entirely certain I would have understood what was going on without reading the back of the book before starting the novel.
It's the story of a drunk Irish guy who is writing a novel about an author and all of the author's characters start interacting with each other. It's supposed to be funny, but it's definitely not the kind of humor I find funny.
I found this book to be confusing and silly. I can appreciate what O'Brien was trying to do. But what it really boils down to, is this book was just not my cup of tea and so I found it a completely unenjoyable read.
Quite hilarious, unique style, an unexpected lovely ending
Before this book there was nothing like it. After this book nothing like it could be done again, not as well and not the same way. This book took narrative, plot, character, theme, story, poetry and held them up and subjected them to a long and pitiless examination, then threw them down and subjected them to degradations and tortures not dissimilar to those inflicted on the author, Trellis, holding back from destruction only at the end in a moment of conscience and mercy. O'Brien pierces the drunken pretensions and tedious intellectual self-aggrandisement of the middle-class Dublin drunk but cannot in the end deny his affection for it. A brilliant, daring, anarchic novel of wit and intelligence and linguistic dexterity. There is nothing else out there like it at all all. You might even say it's yer only man.
This might have been a 4* book for me if I had been more familiar with Irish legends and culture. After a bit of a rocky start, I started enjoying this. People who like or admire James Joyce will probably like this even more than I did -- I am not a fan of Joyce's style of writing in "Ulysses" which O'Brien parodies here.
But which of us can hope to probe with questioning finger the dim thoughts that flit in a fool's head.I will admit, I liked The Third Policeman better. I will also admit to holding this as the better book, one with recognizable traces of TTP amidst so much more. There, alongside the author's singular wit and superb hand at mixing the pragmatic with the absurd until neither can tell which is the other, is performance, is parody, is a supreme consideration of reality's dance with fiction both foolish and all too wise. The book is a train with a sober first stop and a mad tomfoolery increase in speed with every page and nested trope, but the ending is well worth the grim hanging on for dear life.
I mentioned that I did not like this as much as my first reading of Flann O'Brien as conducted through the equally as peculiar dash of The Third Policeman. That right there is mostly bias, as in TTP there was a great deal of engineering style slap dash, physical laws and computational calculations extended to an absurdity in reality and a recognizable form in the classroom. There's a hint of that in At Swim-Two-Birds, a heavy dose of it near the end bringing some satisfaction to my Bioengineering bred sensibilities, but unfortunately for me O'Brien was far more focused this time on classical mind, specifically of the Irish. I caught a reference here and there, but the large tracts of Irish mythology escaped my enthusiasm in terms of anything more complex than story and poetical sensibilities.
However, that component was far from the majority of the work, and while being familiar with the original material augments enjoyment of the parody, it is not always necessary. Besides, there was so much else going on outside of the Finn Mac Cool and his tall tale rhasodizing, so many odd tricks and twists with minimal punctuation that I was quickly distracted from my poor knowledge of Irish lore. Bamboozling at points, tedious for longer than I'd like, but always, always, a lure to the next and the next and the next.
Lovers of meta, have your meta and eat it too, but also compliment your meta, become engaged with your meta, elope with your meta to newfound states of the detail and the devil so long as you mind your meta-ed manners. We may be seventy-four years on in time and a few in the know-how may moan and groan at the nouveau metas and their ironic urges, their self-conscious-consciousing to an all too often boring degree of banal nihility, but here it is still fresh, here it still has heart. A boisterous and boozy and far too long abed heart, to be sure, but here there is a heart bulleting its way to the soul of the fiction of the time, the odes and cowboys and morality gimmicks and all the poor charactered creations succored away from their easy nonexistence and spit out onto a stage of the so called author's making.
Parts of it light and pounds of it weird and buckets of it deathly serious, but when in doubt, be sure to let yourself laugh. Each and every time will land you a little farther along, and in no time you'll have finished this highly lauded and extremely odd piece of work. Then, I can assure you, you'll have an awful lot to think about in terms of cast and creator and everything in between, and is that not all we can ask for?
At Swim-Two-Birds has such a strong claim to be one of the founding texts of literary postmodernism. All the markers of that baggy but indispensable cultural category—the deconstruction of narrative, the replacement of nature by culture, an ahistoric sensibility in which tropes and genres from different eras can be mixed and matched promiscuously, the prominence of pastiche, the notion of language itself as the real author of the work—are openly declared in At Swim.
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Amazon.com Amazon.com Review (ISBN 156478181X, Paperback)In a 1938 letter to a literary agent, Flann O'Brien described his first novel as "a very queer affair, unbearably queer perhaps." The book in question was At Swim-Two-Birds--and if we take queer to mean diabolically eccentric, then truer words were never spoken. The author, whose real name was Brian O'Nolan, had successfully stirred Gaelic legend, pulp fiction, and grimy Dublin realism into a hilarious cocktail. His mastery of modernist collage would have been an ample accomplishment itself. But O'Brien was also blessed with the writer's equivalent of perfect pitch, and in At Swim-Two-Birds he squeezes the maximum beauty and banality out of the English language. All he lacks is a tragic register, but he makes up for this deficit with a sense of comedy so acute that even James Joyce couldn't resist blurbing his fellow Dubliner's creation: "A really funny book."
O'Brien labored mightily to make At Swim-Two-Birds summary-proof. But here, anyway, are the bare bones: the narrator, a university student, is writing a novel, which keeps morphing from mock-heroics to middlebrow naturalism. Meanwhile, one of his characters, Dermot Trellis, is himself writing a Western--an Irish Western--whose cowpunching protagonists will eventually throw off their fictional shackles and attempt to murder their creator. (Talk about the death of the author!) There's enough structural shenanigans here to keep an entire industry of critics afloat. Still, what matters most is the pungency of O'Brien's prose. His dialogue is agreeably grungy, his parodies delicious, and the narrator speaks in the sort of Jesuitical dialect that we associate with Samuel Beckett:
That same afternoon I was sitting on a stool in an intoxicated condition in Grogan's licensed premises. Adjacent stools bore the forms of Brinsley and Kelly, my two true friends. The three of us were occupied in putting glasses of stout into the interior of our bodies and expressing by fine disputation the resulting sense of physical and mental well-being. In my thigh pocket I had eleven and eightpence in a weighty pendulum of mixed coins.Snippets, alas, do little justice to At Swim-Two-Birds, which relies heavily on cumulative chaos for its effect. Graham Greene, an early fan, compared its comic charge to "the kind of glee one experiences when people smash china on the stage." A half century after its initial appearance, O'Brien's masterpiece remains a gleeful read--a marvelous, inventive, and (last but not least) really funny book. --James Marcus
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GOP presidential hopeful Jon Huntsman denounced the Dallas pastor who called the Mormon church a "cult" and decried the flap over the religion as a "political sideshow" in the campaign.
Huntsman, who is Mormon, was asked by CNN about comments made by Robert Jeffress, a pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas and a supporter of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who is also competing for the GOP presidential nomination.
"The fact that ... some moron can stand up and make a comment like that ... it's outrageous," Huntsman said in an interview today with CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "Second of all, the fact that we are spending so much time discussing it makes it even worse."
After a speech on foreign policy, Huntsman told reporters in New Hampshire that the resulting flap is a "political sideshow" that detracts from a discussion on the economy and other key issues.
Friday, Jeffress called the Mormon church a "cult" and said, "Mormonism is not Christianity." The comments came as Jeffress tried to explain the differences between Perry and Mitt Romney, who leads national polls on the race and who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Jeffress' comments reignited a debate over religion in politics. Perry has said he doesn't agree with the Baptist preacher's view, and Romney has denounced the "poisonous language" of recent days.
The pastor stood by his comments in an interview Sunday with Fox News, saying again that he believes Romney is a "non-Christian." But Jeffress said if Romney won the GOP nomination, he would still choose him over President Obama.
Catalina Camia leads the OnPolitics online community and has been at USA TODAY since 2005. She has been a reporter or editor covering politics and Congress for two decades, including stints at The Dallas Morning News and Congressional Quarterly. Follow her at @USATOnPolitics.
USA TODAY's Jackie Kucinich (@jfkucinich) and Fredreka Schouten (@fschouten) also contribute to the OnPolitics blog.


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So, I just bought a Jones MT 160 (2013-2014) recently, and I noticed its got "white" paper-thin streaks down the base of the board (lengthwise). I deduced this to be the base drying up. I'll have time within the next week to wax it up so I'll be doing that.
I was just curious if there is any permanent damage to the base. I've attached pictures to show how many white dashed lines there are, but I don't know whether that's serious or not.
I figure that it should be back to normal with a thick coat of wax for summer, because otherwise, boards being sold couldn't have more than a year/season shelf life in the shop (and that shelf life includes the time from production to shop shelf - in which the production date of the board could be several weeks from shipment, and distribution etc.), which probably isn't the case.
I am an advanced-expert rider, but this is my first snowboard I have owned. Previously I have only been able to do demo rentals. So I just want to learn more about taking care of my gear. I have read this informative thread http://www.snowboardingforum.com/boa...rd-repair.html.
However, he has one line "They say they wax a snowboard at the factory... but it's half assed at best. Not waxing it will quickly result in damage, ESPESCIALLY if it's a high quality base."
And that worries me, which is why I started this thread.
That looks completely normal to me for a new board. The damage from not waxing occurs when actually riding the board unwaxed, not just sitting around. Although a good wax never hurts for storage.
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Board is trashed send it to me asap, if you ride it on the hill it will implode and cause a black hole destroying the world.
Due to my job, I have been constantly moving the last 9 years (US to Europe to Asia). The notices haven't been the timeliest, so I pretty much live out of a suitcase. It is tough to bring bulky things around when you don't know the size of your next housing arrangement (ie. Holland was a house, Hong Kong was a tiny apartment). I have learned to play it on the safe side and bring only the essentials. Thus, I rent demos when I ski at various locations around the world. Only now have I been back in the US for assignment, and it is a longer term period. I will not be travelling as much, so I thought now is a good time to get my own gear.
I'm only laughing here cuz If you really are an expert rider, I can't ride for shit by comparison and I couldn't imagine ever getting any good on a board without ever having one of my own! :laugh:
....So, It's fine! Wax it, ride it, Enjoy it!!! You now get to experience the thrill of ownership and eventually destroying a board you can't just drop off and replace! ;)
I mean, really????
Just wax it. It's fine. Congrats on owning a board!
Now that you're settling down, maybe buy a pint glass and stop drinking out of Dixie cups! :laugh:
Do a proper hot wax job and continue to do so. You can never wax the board too much.
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International Society for Primal People -Sasquatch meet in Molalla Sept. 13
Author and speaker, Thom Cantrall will be in Molalla on Sept. 13 for an evening of discussion and education.
Saquatch will be the topic at a public meeting of the International Society for Primal People –Sasquatch (ISPP), from 7 to 10 p.m., Friday, Sept. 13, at the Hitching Post Restaurant, 131 E. Main St.
After 60 minutes of conversation and dinner-on-your-own, attendees will enjoy a presentation entitled, The Art of Sasquatch, by Author, Sasquatch experiencer and ISPP founder Thom Cantrall of Kennewick, Wash. The presentation will be followed by questions and discussion. There is no charge for admission but donations are gratefully accepted.
The ISPP is a volunteer organization devoted to fostering greater understanding of the phenomenon known in North America as Sasquatch or Bigfoot. This is a perfect time and place to share your experience and get your questions answered. The organization can be found on Facebook.


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Ragnarok online, 8 years.
Still playing on and off.
Ragnarok online, 8 years.
Still playing on and off.
I played Ragnarok online for 7 years and eve online for 5 years.
And why I played them well cuz they both are fun and never bored me to death like todays new mmo games tend to do. I also play eve cuz im always liked sci-fi.
Runescape for 2 years, daily. Then next in line will be Minecraft which I got over a year ago and play daily for hours.
MapleStory from OBT 2005. I played nearly on a daily basis until 2008, then had a few-months-long spree in 2009, then a few days from 2010 to now. If you count all that time it's been 7 years. I had a blast actually exploring up until 2007 or so, at which point it was really just my guild that kept me sane for another year.
S4 League, from 2008 Korean OBT (or CBT? I forget) to now. I used to play competitively in 2011, but have since lost interest since the competitive scene died and updates have been making the game worse. I "quit" before 2011 ended, but I play every now and then. Game had a lot of charm and balance in its earlier stages, then imbalance problems and a worsening community drove me off.
RuneScape was the shortest, 2003 to 2005 or so. Played with friends from middle school, was fun since I basically sucked at video games and I found the quests really interesting (Still do; RuneScape has one of the best quest systems I've ever seen in an MMO, even to this day). I stopped in favor of MapleStory in 2005.
I guess I've technically been playing TF2 for four years also, but I don't play it regularly. I think I've lost interest in MMORPGs (If GW2 delivers, I'll eat my words) and my tastes have drawn me to more competitive games. I tried StarCraft II and made it to Gold, possibility of me coming back in the future since I still really enjoy watching SC2 casts. I took up LoL this year too, and though I don't play regularly at all (I think it's been a month) I feel like I'm gaining a good understanding of the meta by watching casts and watching my friends play. Once I have more time on my hands though I'd really like to get into one of those game's competitive scene.
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Either Ragnarok Online or WoW during BC/early wotlk
RO because it was fun pserver hopping with irl friends, and it was also my first mmorpg i think.(either that or pristontale)
My experience with WoW is just unexplainable. I spent every waking moment on that game, and I would never be bored. If I ever got tired of one character I wouldn't hesitate to make another. I still get chills everytime I play songs that I would listen to while I was leveling up my characters. Though as someone already said I had to force myself to quit because it was seriously holding me back. Haven't been able to truly enjoy another mmorpg since...
wow 6 years, friends were playing it and the gae is fun when you have friends playing it with you.
Played WoW and Maplestory since they both came out and still keep up and play every now and then for both games. Spent a good thousand or few hundred on both games for Cash Shop for maplestory and subscription fees and expansions all these years.
Give & Take
World Of Warcraft ... still the only best mmo out there ... and still the only thing that keeps me interested ... Why? Because of its simpleness and sometimes intense and interesting dungeons Armors ... Monsters and bosses look awesome no matter how old the game gets ... Zones are wide and looks great and hey its 7 year old game ...
If your talking about everyday, and not just here and there.
Then mine would be Conquer Online for around 5 - 6 Years.
I just generally enjoyed the PvP there, actually took some skill at least in the first 1 - 2 years of CO it did, had lots of good friends so i stuck around.
League of Legends US - IGN ForceModified
Steam - mystryx1
All you do is go and 1 click a button and click again to kill the mob, it's pointless. go play a fast paced action game like C9, or RYL2, ROW and then come back and see how such a crappy game you're really playing.
I still play Pangya on/off after 7 years.
Same with PSOBB.
The longest time I have played a game? I wouldn't know... But the game I have played the most must be either GTA SA or in other words SA-MP or Counter Strike 1.6 whit a lot of breaks in between...I would guess it is CS, because I am playing it since I was 11 now I am 20 well over 9 Years lol those breaks give you a tough love with your skill...Started CS again few days back I suck man! Only this year that I bought it on steam lol...
P.S. I have no idea why I guess friends the VOICE chat omg I love voice chat so fun to play games with them and I guess same reason for SA-MP in ventrillo to yell at eachother while roleplaying street racers and running from cops oh yeah, those were the times... True I am still the best racer in SA... xD
Oh yea Gran Turismo aswell is the game I love a since the Multiplayer in other words GT5...I don't know I kinda like racing it's fun...
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my first mmo was ultima online back in 1997, it was awesome and i spent way more time then i ever imagined i would, i played the osi p2p servers up to late 2003 somewhere around there, after that i have been hoping around on pservers that still have the pre Aos patches or even pre t2a, i havent played it in a while now but i still revere it as one of the best mmo's ever made
my favorite tps must be Exteel i played that game from start to the end. sadly.. playing sd gundam online just aint the same *sob*
fps - wolfenstein : enemy territory . i think ive played this since release also i still play from time to time
and ofcourse league of legends... been playing that since open beta and il probly play it till the wolrd implodes/explodes hehe
the only p2p game i fequent is Wurm online i guess but even that one has f2p... im such a froob (almot 60 LW yay)
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I jump around between games constantly (one day I'm hooked on Dungeon Fighter Online, the next I'm playing Maplestory, then Team Fortress 2, etc). However, I most consistently find myself back to play Maplestory the most often (probably because it's the first decent game I've played).
Started Graal online in about 2000. While I don't really play it anymore, I still develop for them and use the forums frequently :3
working on it.... ^^
Runescape for longest account. I made my account around 9 years ago and played it for a couple of years, then on and off for a few weeks/months a year until now. Longest in-game time would be the call of duty franchise (I count the franchise as a single game, as they are all so similar on the face of it (They are insanely different when you actually play them)).
The past 2 years I haven't played anything consistently though. Tried a little bit of everything and nothing has stuck. Wow for 3-4 weeks, Diablo 3 for ~ a week. Other random games - 2-3 different games per week. Currently playing DayZ for a couple of weeks pretty solid, although I can see the end of that coming very soon too, due to lack of end-game content. (You can only hunt players for their beans for so long). Next game? Who knows. Guild Wars 2 will hopefully hold my attention for another couple of weeks once it comes out.


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Erik the Juiceman
The story of a lazy kid and the people who live at his place. Sometimes stuff happens.
Angry Dog
Meet George, a small, angry, prejudiced dog.
Zomborg Apocalypse
Zomborgs are on the loose and killing people!
Great Job
Add more violence like you shooting at a sentinel or something. Also the quality was a bit blurry sometimes when someone moved their hand.
Thats about it. That was freaking hilarious.
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It made me laugh. The Neo imitation is great. You obviously notice it's filmed with a webcam and made only during one night, but in overall I like it.
Needs a few little tweaks
Like maybe a health warning, for starters. No-one should seriously try and destroy a CRT monitor with a hammer. The Cathode Ray Tube is a deadly piece of kit and you were lucky. Cut your finer? Serves you right, dude!
Still, that was an amazing parody of the Matrix. Trinity seemed even more manly than I remember (if that's possible, for a butch lesbian like her)
I like this and could just imagine you doing a parody of some other films - ever considered doing DOGMA?
How long did it take for you to come up with something like that?
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i actually didnt cut myself dude XD, all it was i thought i did but i was an old scratch made by the cat XD
yes, trinity is butch
i'm actually considering making THE LORD OF THE RINGS TRILOGY in 30 seconds, acted by me the way this parody was made.
this took me about 3 hours honestly, it was all improvised. i'm sure if i end up making the lord of the rings parody, and think it all through, it'll be cooler :D
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that was a interesting, yet weird Matrix movie you have here.... very funny too. it definitely shows that you have both, a lot of spare time on your hands, and a good way to keep Matrix cool and original. i've seen a lot of animations and games based off of the Matrix, but this one was much different from them, so something new was cool to see.
Funny as hell.
Now that is drunk. I don't drink, but if you are willing to have a conversation with yourself and wear lipstick, then just wow. Now get drunk and do one about Army of Darkness.


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Fed Has Bad News Regarding Economic Growth for 2012
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Federal Reserve has sharply lowered its outlook for U.S. economic growth and thinks the unemployment rate won't fall much further this year.
In its updated quarterly forecast, the Fed says it expects the economy will grow no more than 2.4 percent this year. That's much slower than its forecast in April, when it predicted growth as fast as 2.9 percent. And it isn't much better than the 1.9 percent annual pace of growth in the first three months of 2012.
The Fed also predicts the unemployment rate will fall no lower than 8 percent by year's end. The rate is now 8.2 percent. In April, the Fed said the unemployment rate could be as low as 7.8 percent at year's end.
The central bank is also forecasting lower inflation. At its highest, it expects inflation to rise 1.7 percent this year, well below its 2 percent target. The decline is largely due to a steep drop in gas prices.
Most economic reports since the Fed's last meeting have pointed to a sharp slowdown in the economy. Job growth averaged only 73,000 in April and May. That followed average gains of 226,000 a month in the first three months of the year.
The number of people seeking unemployment benefits has risen about 5 percent in the past six weeks. And employers posted sharply fewer job openings in April compared to the previous month.
With job growth weaker and the unemployment rate still high, consumers have pulled back on spending. Retail sales have fallen for the past two months. Part of that is due to falling gas costs. But even excluding gas sales, spending barely rose in May and fell in April.
Businesses also appear less confident about the economy. They are placing fewer orders at factories, which has slowed manufacturing output. A measure of companies' investment spending has dropped for two straight months.
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howdy hitcher; just wanted to chime and thank you for this great skin. i came from a boxee box back to a true htpc and came across your theme. it is what boxee SHOULD be. i for one don't care about all of the social stuff. your skin let's me still have my most used "social/streaming apps" but still focusing on MY content. it's extremely polished!
i did notice ONE small bug; the setting in the skin settings to set up your 6 favorites along the top doesn't allow for selecting the up/down arrow with a remote; i had to use my wireless mouse (couldn't even get to it with the keyboard part).
anyway, again, FANTASTIC skin. thanks much.
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You're welcome and you don't need to use the arrows (they're really only there for mouse use) instead just press up and down to cycle through them all.
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Hi, I also wanted to thank you for your skin. My wife finds it easy to use - (and that is the key to having an XBMC setup permanently driving the lounge room tv !)
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Neighborhood concern about development in the Lake Forest area won't prevent construction of 12 new homes on Frost Street but does signal some interest in protecting tree groves, now in line for additional safeguards.
In Lake Oswego, about 50 areas with natural resources were identified in 1998 while the city worked to comply with a state law to protect fish and habitat.
While a number of other lands were rezoned to comply with the law, the approximately 50 parcels were left out of protections because they either came to the process late or met some but not all of the requirements for state shields.
A city review of each of the sites is now pending and officials will consider local protections that could preserve trees and other resources when development occurs.
For neighbors of a development planned on Frost Street in the Lake Forest area, the upcoming review of the 50 parcels won't save a three-acre stand of trees they say buffers them from noise from I-5 and a nearby railyard. Instead, 72 trees will come out for a road and 12 homes planned there will eventually call for the removal of more.
Had the area been protected under the city's resource conservation zone, only half of the trees in the area could be removed. Neighbors are frustrated a review of the 1998 lands has not yet occurred. They believe the trees offer critical habitat to large population of squirrels, raccoons, deer, opossums, rabbits and foxes and should have been a priority.
'I think its unfortunate that a city that proclaims itself tree friendly would not take aggressive action to protect a large wooded area,' said Tom Maguire, a member of the board of directors of the Summerwood Homeowners Association, a development off Frost Street.
'It seems like somewhere along the line somebody made a decision not to take advantage of this opportunity,' Maguire said.
Denny Egner, a project manager in the planning department for the city of Lake Oswego, said the city's planned review hasn't been pressing because most of the lands considered involve wetlands and other features that would already preclude development.
He said city officials are still interested in reviewing wooded areas like the one on Frost Street and want to know where protections could have an impact. A new employee at city hall is now available to take on the task. Egner said the Lake Forest area could benefit from new zoning.
'Long deep lots with tree groves in back property lines represent a really important kind of forested resource in that neighborhood,' Egner said.
He said the city could rezone the lands with a RC, or resource conservation, designation.
'What that means is if the land were to be redeveloped it would go through the sensitive land section of the code,' he said. 'It allows development to happen but it changes the way development can occur.'
In wooded areas, the zoning would require developers to preserve half of the trees while building homes.
Neighbors of the Frost Street property are frustrated such protections were not in place before the three-acre lot in their area was planned for development. They say the clanging from freeway traffic and railyard is so extreme it has cracked chimneys, shifted cabinets and worked the nails from the walls of their homes. They believe the trees provide protection from the noise and worry noise will escalate when the trees come down.
Stoneridge Custom Develop-ment, which builds luxury homes, was recently given approval for a 12-lot subdivision on the site. The company plans to build single-family homes with detached garages priced in the $450,000 to $600,000 range. Development plans so far call for trees around the perimeter and fencing.
John Tercek, a spokesman for the company said the Frost Street lot has 435 trees on it and that, if protections were in place, about 215 would be required to stand.
'I can't tell you whether it would have changed the development on this particular site that drastically because it's still 12 houses on three acres,' rather than more dense development, he said.
While demand for housing is high in Lake Oswego, he said it makes sense that city officials continue to leave some land available for new homes but was open to protections for areas that have public benefits.
Maguire said he was hopeful the city would take a more aggressive position to conserve trees.
'The Lake Grove area has been around for a long time and its character is fairly large lots with lots of trees. We don't want to look like A Avenue in downtown Lake Oswego,' Maguire said.
Without protections, he said, city code allows too much room for new developments to remove trees, which is likely to erode that character if it continues.


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Tens of thousands of Twitter users, including the BBC's technology correspondent, have had their accounts hacked.
In a blog post, staff at the micro-blogging website said that earlier this week it interrupted attempts to access user data, and that attackers stole 250,000 users' login names, email addresses and encrypted passwords.
It shut down one attack moments after it was detected.
Twitter reset the compromised passwords and sent emails informing affected users.
One of those users was Rory Cellan-Jones, a journalist who covers technology for the BBC.
The attack follows other high-profile hacking attacks, inlcluding China-based hackers' inflitrating computer systems at The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal, and Anonymous's hijack of the US Sentencing Commission's website.
Twitter said in its blog that the attack "was not the work of amateurs, and we do not believe it was an isolated incident".
"The attackers were extremely sophisticated, and we believe other companies and organisations have also been recently similarly attacked.
"For that reason we felt that it was important to publicise this attack while we still gather information, and we are helping government and federal law enforcement in their effort to find and prosecute these attackers to make the internet safer for all users."
One expert said that the Twitter hack probably happened after an employee's home or work computer was compromised through vulnerabilities in Java, a commonly used computing language whose weaknesses have been well publicized.
Ashkan Soltani, an independent privacy and security researcher, told Associated Press such a move would give attackers "a toehold" in Twitter's internal network, potentially allowing them either to sniff out user information as it traveled across the company's system or break into specific areas, such as the authentication servers that process users' passwords.
He said that the relatively small number of users affected suggested either that attackers were not on the network long or that they were only able to compromise a subset of the company's servers.
Bob Lord, Twitter's director of security, said: "We encourage all users to take this opportunity to ensure that they are following good password hygiene, on Twitter and elsewhere on the internet.
"Make sure you use a strong password – at least 10 (but more is better) characters and a mixture of upper- and lowercase letters, numbers, and symbols."
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This is a discussion on How much boost will the 11's - 13's turbo efficiently produce? within the Engine Modifications forums, part of the Tech & Modifying & General Repairs category; Originally Posted by EJ257 I'm lost on how a set of headers is "too much trouble"... I'll just leave this ...
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CBE doesn't affect performance at all...its a noise maker, or a noise controller depending on how you look at it. Headers won't provide too much in the way of overall sound because like I said, CBE and more specifically the axleback portion of that control most of the sound.
Headers and a downpipe (and the tune for them) are where power gains are really seen.
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Jacking up the motor is for removing the uppipe (which I had no problem with doing even though it was basically the first time I had ever worked on a car).
Aftermarket headers shouldn't change the exhaust volume much. .if anything it should make it quieter, especially if you go with a quality ELH. When switching headers the first most noticable change for me was how my car idled so much smoother and quieter.
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so does the uppipe need to be changed at the same time? Are the gains from it worth it I guess is what i'm asking? Which of the headers are the best for the money? Does everybody recommend wrapping them as well? I've heard it's a good way for them to get rusted pretty fast.
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On your car, the uppipe doesn't need to be changed. There are some gains to be had with an aftermarket uppipe, but I probably wouldn't bother with it unless you're wanting EWG or rotated turbo fitment.
I would wrap them. . Any decent header should not rust, regardless, you should still spray the wrap with silicone sealant.
Which one to get depends on if you want UEL or EL ..
Install should be basically the same. In theory (and most real world results) equal length should net better performance. It should be mentioned that equal length headers will completely change the exhaust sound of your car. It will sound more like a regular 4 cylinder instead of the signature Subaru rumble.
For equal length I would go with Perrin or KillerB. I personally have the Perrin ELH on my car and I'm happy with it. GTSpec makes a good UEL header, but their uppipe flange is a three bolt design (which is actually better). So you have to use the GTSpec three bolt uppipe with it. That Invidia UEL header looks pretty good too.
I have the invidia EL headers, and am happy with them. They sell a few variants - make sure to get the normal "race" variety if you go that route. They have one with larger primaries (would not recommend) as well as one that includes the up pipe (also would not recommend). One of them may have a 3 bolt up pipe flange as well (watch out for those if you want to keep the stock up pipe or go to an EWG setup down the road)
The KillerB and FullRace ones are really the top of the line ones. They are both made with 321 Stainless I believe (I know KillerBs are) which is a much better metal for headers on a turbo car. The standard stainless is more prone to cracking over time. Downside of 321... it's about twice the price. KillerBs headers include the up pipe by the way.
Another perk of going with a set of aftermarket headers, which isn't commonly thought of, is the (large) weight reduction off of the very front of the car. The cast iron headers and thick heat shields weigh a TON compared to the stainless headers. Our cars are front heavy pigs (and that's the nice way of putting it) and getting as much weight off the front is worth its weight in gold.
Equal Length headers will drastically change the sound of your car. It won't "rumble" and it will be much smoother. The performance gains are clear though - it's a much more efficient system. The gains on a Subaru can be related to going to a twin scroll setup on most turbo cars (due to the long length of the manifold before the turbine - not a good thing, but can't do much at this point).
You'll clearly need a tune for the headers. I'd recommend going with a down pipe (catted if you aren't looking to go EWG) at the same time and getting a professional tune. Once you change out the headers, you are out of OTS (off the shelf) tunes in my opinion. I wouldn't go "e-tune", either.
I wrapped mine. I dunno if they are rusting. Don't really care much. I'd recommend getting them sprayed with a heat insulating ceramic coating. By the time you buy enough quality exhaust wrap and CV clamps (highly recommended as opposed to worm clamps)... you'll find the cost difference isn't quite as steep for a better end product.
EDIT: Also, don't forget about gaskets! The connections down there vary greatly in temperature frequently. The seals are critical, and the gaskets should NOT be re-used. I would get new gaskets for engine to header (possibly included with headers) and I would actually get TWO header to up pipe gaskets in case the fitment isn't perfect. Without a flex joint in there, you may need that extra 1/64" compression to get a good confident seal.
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You might want to consider going ahead and running EWG to avoid boost creep issues with the catless downpipe.
Custom tune isn't THAT costly. .$300-$500 depending on the tuner. Pretty inexpensive considering it's the most important part of any mod path.
Depending on location and who you have available for doing tuning, a real e-mail tune isn't a bad option, as long as the tuner has access to the necessary parameters like WBO2 readings. I much prefer being in the car when tuning it, but I can get something close just with logs.Originally Posted by Heide264Some wraps are not meant to be used with any kind of a sealant spray (e.g., the Titanium wraps that use Lava Rock). If I were wrapping an exhaust part, I would go with that type.Originally Posted by MainFrameSource: Titanium Exhaust Wrap with LR Technology 010128 | Purchase DEI, CryO2, Ny-Trex, Boom Mat & SPA Turbo Products | Design Engineering, Inc. - Thermal Performance ProductsOriginally Posted by DEII don't see a point in UEL. If you're going to spend the money for a set of headers, get the benefit of going EL.Originally Posted by MainFrame
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Good info about the wrap type and use of spray. .
I agree with the ELH or none at all statement.
I agree that I would NOT go any farther without some way of getting wb02 readings. If you get a dyno tune, they may have one there for your exhaust pipe. Personally, I'd buy one. They are a good (and critical in my opinion) safety check and troubleshooting tool.
DEI has suggested using their spray UNDER the titanium wrap before. I believe it helps with adhesion more than anything. +1 on not using it over their wrap, however. The wrap is good stuff. As per a recommendation from Torque, I'd get a CV clamp tool and some large CV clamps to help with wrapping. Price wise its not much worse than using worm clamps. I can get you part numbers if you need.


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(Cincinnati, OH, August 6, 2014) — Today, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals heard oral arguments in a federal lawsuit seeking to compel the State of Ohio to recognize the marriages of same-sex couples and issue accurate birth certificates listing both parents for the Ohio-born children of married same-sex couples. The case, Henry v. Himes, filed by Gerhardstein & Branch, was joined by Lambda Legal and is one of six marriage-related cases the court is hearing today from across the Sixth Circuit.
"Married same-sex couples are having children in and adopting children from Ohio, and the state should not be stacking the deck against those children by refusing to recognize the marriages of their parents," said Susan Sommer, Director of Constitutional Litigation for Lambda Legal. "The Sixth Circuit should join the avalanche of federal circuit and district courts around the country ruling that depriving same-sex couples and their families of the protections and dignity that come with marriage is flat out unconstitutional."
"Our clients and their children need the full protections of marriage," said Al Gerhardstein, Attorney for Gerhardstein & Branch. "The state of Ohio's refusal to recognize marriages of same-sex couples relegates them to a second-class status for no legitimate reason. We are asking the court to side with love and commitment, and to recognize the importance of our families' marriages and their need for the security that comes from accurate birth certificates."
The case was filed in February 2014. Plaintiffs include Brittani Henry and Brittni Rogers, a married same-sex couple and the parents of a baby boy born in May 2014; Georgia and Pamela Yorksmith, who married in California in 2008 and have a three-year-old son born in Ohio and another baby born in June 2014; Kelly Noe and Kelly McCracken, married in Massachusetts in 2011, with one son born in June 2014 in Ohio; and Joseph J. Vitale and Robert Talmas, a married same-sex couple living in New York City and the parents of an adopted son born in Ohio.
All plaintiff couples are seeking recognition for their marriages and accurate birth certificates listing both parents. The Ohio Department of Health, the agency charged with issuing birth certificates whose Director is the Defendant in the case, has refused to issue or amend birth certificates for same-sex parents.
This case, along with Obergefell v. Himes, also on appeal, demonstrates the importance of marriage to families through the life span, from the birth of their children through the death of a spouse and beyond. In the Obergefell case, in which Gerhardstein is lead counsel, the state is appealing a federal court ruling that the state of Ohio must respect the marriages of same-sex couples legally performed in other states for the purpose of listing surviving spouses on death certificates.
In April, a federal district court declared in the Henry case that Ohio's ban on recognizing out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples is unconstitutional in all respects. The opinion further extended "heightened scrutiny" - a high level of judicial review - to Ohio's discrimination against same-sex married couples and their children. The Court also held that the state violates the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution by denying recognition to out-of-state adoption decrees of same-sex couples and by refusing to amend the birth certificates of their Ohio-born adopted children. At the same time, the court stayed its own decision for all but the plaintiff families until the conclusion of the court proceedings.
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Ok I have always been a UFC fan my whole life I have recently got into other orgs like Dream, Affliction, Strikeforce and I started checking out all the Pride FC fights I missed. I have no interest in Boxing in fact I probobly couldn't even list off 5 fighters but I like the idea of K-1.
The only problem is I don't know any fighters and don't know where to start. Can someone help me out and list of a few of the greatest fights ever? Maybe some backround info when K-1 started etc the best fighters I should know and all that?
I dont have the time right now as im about to go to sleep but check in tomorrow and ill help you out:thumbsup:
As far as greatest fights ever i cant help you there sadly as i have only started watching a year ago. But i would recommend you go into the K-1 video thread as im sure MLS had added them while he was here. Names to look out for would be Peter Aerts, Ernesto Hoost and Andy hug while in there as they all have great fights.
For the back ground info its best to read the History of K-1 on wikipedia.
There are 2 types of K-1 GP's. The first and oldest one is the K-1 World Grand Prix which focuses on HW-SHW fighters(past champions). Some notable fighters would be Remy Bonjasky, Peter Aerts, Badr Hari, Gokhan Saki, Melvin Manhoef, and Tyrone Spong.
The second type of K-1 GP's would be K-1 World MAX GP. MAX stands for Middleweight Artistic Xtreme. Notable fighters would be Albert Kraus, Masato, Buakaw Por.Pramuk, Andy Souwer and Artur Kyshenko
All of the fighters metioned are in the Video thread. Hope this helps you out.
Alright cool thanks.
I anyone else could name off some epic fights that would be great.
I'm definitely not a huge K-1 guy but for a decent UFC-K-1 tie-in with one of my favorite K-1 fighters check out Michael McDonald schooling a very young Mirko:
Shit how could i forget about this fight
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Andy Hug (rip)
Ernesto Hoost (Mr. Perfect - watch a hl reel of his and you'll see why)
Peter Aerts
Remy Bonjasky
Jerome Le Banner (the uncrowned king)
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Badr Hari (total prick but such a huge natural talent)
Thanks guys. I could really benefit from this as well. :thumbsup:
Another great fight to check out is Sefo vs Hunt. awesome fight deff one of the best.
Kimo vs sapp is great.
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When will they learn to stop messing with the Israeli's? They don't play games. Almost all of them are armed and have military training.
This is a discussion on Terror attack thwarted by alert civilians near Shilo within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Terror attack thwarted by alert civilians near Shilo | Jerusalem Post A Palestinian knifeman has been shot dead after attempting to stab two Israeli hitchhikers ...
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A Palestinian knifeman has been shot dead after attempting to stab two Israeli hitchhikers near Shilo, Judea and Samaria police said. Police spokesman Dani Poleg confirmed that the knifeman was killed by an Israeli civilian who fired on him using his handgun.
The incident took place at a hitchhiking post on highway 60, between Shilo and Ali Junction.
"We have a military report saying the knifeman is now dead. Two civilians were at the scene during the attack, and one fired on the Palestinian attacker. We're taking eye witness testimonials on the scene at the moment, and the initial investigation is not yet complete. More details will be released soon," Poleg said.
Two knives have been recovered from the Palestinian's body, and no injuries among Israelis were reported.
An initial police investigation found that the assailant had approached the two hitchhikers with his hands in his pockets, and began asking them questions in English. Seconds later, he attempted to stab one of the Israelis. The latter drew his handgun and fired on the knifeman, killing him. A second knife was later found during a search of the attacker's body.
Police said the knifeman was aged around 20, and came from the Hebron area. He was apparently a student at BirZeit University.
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1. We don't call these crimes - they're terror attacks
2. I'd love to know how fast the Israeli reacted to the attempted knifing. What was the elapsed time between the start of the knife attack and the response by the civilian.
3. I'm sure the two Israelis were on Orange alert as soon as the Palestinian approached with his hands in his pocket.
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When will they learn to stop messing with the Israeli's? They don't play games. Almost all of them are armed and have military training.
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However, many Israelis are armed and it's always comforting to see someone carrying (if someone carries, they carry open) on a bus, at the mall, at a wedding ( I was at a wedding the other night and counted 5 people carrying). There are also soldiers all over the place who always have their weapon with them.
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Just like those stupid terrorists; bringing a knife to a gunfight......
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry
Mmmm...I wonder if he's dancing with the virgins right now?
Proverbs 27:12 says: The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
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Aren't we getting in the same situation here in the U.S.A.? Unfortunately, a lot of our enemy are within our borders.Knuckledrager:They are surrounded by peoples that are fundamentally opposed to their very existence.
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There's a few groups of people that I consider it 'lethal' to take up arms against. One is the Americans, obviously. Also on that short list are the Israelis. Nobody is unbeatable but DAMN they make it tough. Some of the roughest people on the planet live in that narrow strip of land.
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So a knife-wielding racist constitutes a "Terrorist Attack"?
A sign of the times I guess.
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Good job on those Israeli's bringing a gun to that knife...er...gunfight.


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Now, a new report from the the Delta Project on Postsecondary Education Costs, Productivity, and Accountability attempts to rank which states are getting the most college bang for their bucks.
Florida, Colorado, Washington, Utah, and North Dakota are the most productive states because their cost per credential is the lowest in the nation, the Delta Project concludes. The report, which was released today, then goes a step further, saying that the less-costly degrees also provide a greater economic value to their states.
Degrees are most expensive in Alaska, Wyoming, Delaware, Rhode Island, and Connecticut, which the report says are the least-productive states.
The report was prepared by Patrick Kelly, a senior associate at the National Center for Higher Education Management Systems. Mr. Kelly's method compares median earnings of people at each degree level, by state, to the cost of each degree.
The new analysis, however, is only a starting point in the conversation, concedes the author in a news release that accompanies the report. "The framework for measuring productivity presented here charts a new course," he says. "Even though it does not reach the finish line, it may go as far toward it as any other approach, but with fewer twists and turns."
The end of the report also lists several more limits in its approach, including the fact that it does not account for states that may simply be starving their higher-education systems. "Some states work their way into high levels of productivity by running their systems 'on the cheap,'" the report says. —Eric Kelderman