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redspike's Journal http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/ redspike's use Perl Journal en-us use Perl; is Copyright 1998-2006, Chris Nandor. Stories, comments, journals, and other submissions posted on use Perl; are Copyright their respective owners. 2012-01-25T01:46:07+00:00 pudge email@example.com Technology hourly 1 1970-01-01T00:00+00:00 redspike's Journal http://use.perl.org/images/topics/useperl.gif http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/ Why do I blog? http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40513?from=rss Last week I posted a thingy on use.perl.org  which is my first blog for a while. Today I recalled the blog and how I had got there. It is interesting following links when idly browsing. This was my path:-

Tom Hukins from mk.pm posted a link to YAPC::EU videos

I watched the video by Dave Cross on the Perl community

He mentioned Ironman

I then watched most of the videos on presentingperl.org. Another productive afternoon.

I felt the urge to blog.

I blogged

Perhaps the more interesting thing is why I did not blog for such a long time. That question has not really been answered yet. In this respect I have failed. I do not keep up any other blog other than this one at the moment, so it was not as though I was blogged out.

Another case of the missing cheese and scullery maid.
 redspike 2010-08-24T21:23:44+00:00 journal Inside looking out http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40499?from=rss
I am reading MJD's Higher Order Perl again and its great to see that my time reading other books on Perl has not been wasted. The first time round I read the words but I did not understand them. Now I am on the inside looking out rather than on the outside looking in.

It matters not how many times I look around I always come back to Perl as it is now the language that I know more than any other. This is a really great thing to realise.

Sadly I missed YAPC::EU again this year and I have really missed meeting my friends there. I hope to make it next year. It always has the feel of a festival, if there were tents and bad sanitation it would be exactly like it.

A few weeks ago I had to compare two bank account numbers and before I knew what I had done I wrote

perl -e 'if ("0123456789" eq "0123456789"){print "yes"};'

on the command line. It did not dawn until later what this meant. It means that having bludgeoned my brain with so much Perl it has eventually and begrudgingly given up and decided to come along with me for the ride and even started to think in it without telling me. It just let its gaurd down and it slipped out.
 redspike 2010-08-16T13:55:29+00:00 journal Effective Perl Programming http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40259?from=rss
I bought 'Effective Perl Programming' by Joseph N. Hall and Randal L. Schwartz, about two years ago along with 'Intermediate Perl' and 'How to Joust Underwater'. When it arrived I quickly flipped through it and decided I could not really understand a lot of it. My decision then was that it was not the book to read until it looked more friendly.

It was spotted last week and jumped out of my bookshelf. As I opened it and started to read it, it did not seem to be the book that I had first encountered. In fact it was really quite accessible and rather exciting. I greedily started reading it and skimming through the code examples. Not until I had read it for about an hour did I see that what was once a mystery was now becoming clear. To my delight I could see things that I could use and apply.

This I am sure is not unusual. It was just the right book at the right time, even though it had collected dust on the shelf for a couple of years. I particularly liked the 'Schwartzian Transform'. It felt like reading module source code because it looks like alot of the examples are realword rather than contrived. If I feel that the code is real code then I do seem to take it more seriously. This may be unfair of me to do but its one of the ways a subject keeps my attention.
 redspike 2010-03-22T15:10:29+00:00 journal This is the day - or is it tomorrow? http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40244?from=rss
I have made a decision. Having made friends with the internet again. (I had a long and protracted argument with it and decided that we ought to go our seperate ways for a while whilst I found out what the rest of the world was like.) My decision - to eat more cheese, if that was at all possible and to plan a new project out and do the whole thing in Perl. I have worked piecemeal on stuff and have several projects that have been done sort of half-heartedly in Perl or PHP or even ASP but they have all just sort of grown out of themselves rather than being crafted and started from the beginning without having the nagging feeling that I am doing it the wrong way or it was a Thursday at the time.

Its going to be the same sort of decision to do everything in Vi from a certain date and sticking to it however painful or tempting it was to go back to the way I was doing it before, which actually I can't remember. So this is it brothers and sisters its Perl or bust. Not sure what that means, but I have just spent two days having to sort something out in DOS which I think has finally pushed me over the edge into some semblance of sanity. What it has really done is made it as plain as the nose on my face that the only way to get something done is to set sensible goals and get them done. As I did not have a choice whether I could program in DOS or not I just got on with it.

I remember the Wrox press books had and still have (unless someone has stolen into my house and gone through all the books and removed them.) 'Just Do It' printed on pages in between chapters. I often talked to them and explained that I could not just do it as I did not know what I had to just do. Now I do understand the relevance. Thinking is not doing and neither is thinking necessarily learning in the same way that doing is not always thinking or learining. However they can be all three.

The thing about the last few months is that I have spent a long time saying to myself - I just need to learn a little more and I will be ready to do this or that. Where in fact waiting for the time when I have satisfied myself that I know enough is never going to happen. I just thought that I did not know enough. Well its obvious I do know enough so I am going to stop pissing about.
 redspike 2010-03-15T00:08:48+00:00 journal Intermeditae Perl Review http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40226?from=rss
Well after what seems like several decades I am finally going to Review 'Intermediate Perl by Randal L. Schwartz, brian d foy and Tom Phoenix. The book is on the whole very well written and has an amusing style which belies its importance. Initially I read Randal Schwartz and Tom Phoenix and brian d foy which gave me the basics, enough in fact to use some cgi scripts that, although now need a re-write to due my added knowledge, are still in use today.

I then went onto Programming Perl by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen, Jon Orwant which I read as a sort of novel, when I told this to Larry Wall at a YAPC he said that it was mostly fiction anyway. It introduced me to alot of the advanced features in Perl but was a bit heavy going. After I had read it I wondered if there was something inbetween this and Learning Perl, something intermediate.

I know it seems obvious not but I did not look for a book called Intermediate Perl. I found this sort of pattern happening a lot in my jourmey through Perl, the obvious is so obvious I miss it. I have tried to start looking for the obvious before I hare off and look for the complicated and down right obscure which always seem more easy to see. As I had not cultivated the culture of 'The Bleeding Obvious' I bought a few others which, although good in their way were not really suitable at the time for where I was at. Eventually I got a copy of 'Intermediate Perl' and it all made more sense.

I read another review online which suggested a different order in which to read the chapters. The suggested thing was to read Ch 3 after reading Ch 10 and then read Ch 15 because it was thought that you need to know about modules after learning about building larger programs. This I did and it seemed to make more sense. Apart from my normal gripe about not explaining how to get help through Perldoc and a few examples which when typed in verbatum do not work (bottom of page 4 in particular its is not that it is wrong but to make it run you have to do a little more than is written) the book helped alot. This kind of thing is not a problem half way through the book, any book, a little assumed knowledge has been learned, but it is important to make things absolutey implicit in the first few examples. Implied knowledge is an easy way to dishearted anyone and could in extreme cases cause someone to give up. Reading it through at least twice meant that a few things clicked eventually and gave me a sense of achievement when I understood the concepts and put some of them to the test. The story of Gilligan, Skipper, The professor and crew meant a simple but powerful thread kept the example real. Although imagined, these examples explained in fairly simple terms some very complicated ideas that I found fairly easy to apply to real world applications. Having read 'Programming Perl' first meant that I had gone a long way to understanding many of the ideas but anyone going about it in the right order would have less of a virtical wall to look at when they got to the 'Camel'. I use Intermediate Perl as a reference at the moment and to re-read certain chapters when I have a quiet moment.

I would recommend this book to anyone who has just got through Learning Perl or who is coming to Perl from another language and wants to start in a comfortable place before scaling the heights.

Whilst reading the chapter on references I was struck by the one of the many lighthning strikes out of the snaffed and blurreddy that is 'The Bleeding Obvious'. It may be called a reference but I thought that that was just its name. Unlike a the fact that a variable is called a variable because its value can vary but not its declared name,(I know that that is not necessarily the case as it is its address in memory that does not change or perhaps something else that I don't know yet, but humour me) a reference is called a reference because it is a reference to some thing, usually a scalar, array, subroutine or hash or something. As a reference it refers to something. You cannot believe how I wondered how I had managed to get through at least 3 rather large books before it finally sank in. I am not sure if it was the fact I did not read the right books in the right order or the fact that I was not really reading what I was reading. Either way, I have had the same experience several times. I think that because it has always been pointed out that Larry Wall is a linguist and therefore has crafted Perl in a liguistic way that I assumed the opposite. I have the same experience with other languages and with other things too but that is part of the joys, or not, of not taking the obvious as obvious. Tell me one thing and I will often assume the opposite because that is what I thought you meant, and just when I think I have got it I will the think the opposite of the opposite which is of course the obvious but not everytime. Sounds dumb when you write it down but with everyone trying to be so damn clever I am not sure who is genuinely clever and who is trying to look clever by inference. In Larry's case I think he is just being genuine.

I will do a more indepth review of this book as it has helped me a great dealm but this will do to get started for now.
 redspike 2010-03-05T10:34:59+00:00 journal Confidence in one thing leads to confidence in another http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40180?from=rss
Since FTFM(Finding The F*****g Manual - courtesy of dagolden) and now being able to RTFM whenever and wherever I am as long as I have access to Perl means that I don't have to worry about remembering everything or take loads of dead trees around with me. I used to wander off with a laptop and a book in hand, sit under a shady tree with the sound of the wind rustling in the trees and fawns pronking in the meadow then settle down to have a leisurely look at some aspect of Perl, start testing something out, forget the exact sytax and have to thumb through pages and break the train of thought, by which time it had started to rain and the fawns had gone home for tea and I had forgotten what I was trying to do and would have to start all over again.

Its a amazing what a little confidence, in one language brings to another and how it takes all the anxiety out of the process of getting things done when you don't know quite what you are doing but know where to go. Finding the door to all knowledge and wisdom that is Perldoc that has been hidden from me has given me new found confidence, even perhaps a rather cavalier attitude to other new things too.

I have had to learn how to use Joomla as it is the preferred tool of one of my clients. I have tossed around with it a few times but never really got to grips with it in the past. As there is an incentive to use it I found myself getting to grips with it a bit more easily, even though my first reaction was to resist it.

There is a little lesson there too: learning is greatly improved when there is a sensible achievable goal with a little bit of lookah involved and a doable deadline . Not the huge, re-invent the world in a day type mountains I have set myself in the past. Not impossible if you have all the tools to hand but a bugger when you can't find the secret to planet making in Mrs Beeton's, Omelettes for All Occasions.

As learning experiences go it was not too bad after all it is like using a WYSIWYG editor with a few extra functions. What at first seems a weird way of linking everything together, is not in the end a bad concept, its probably more the case that the documentation is aimed at the non-programmer, which did help. Of course I am always comparing experiences to see if one will help with the other.

As soon as I had installed the system, had a play around with a template or two and then put some content in to be able to get a feel for what I was looking at, I opened the php and css in a text editor and started to customise everything in the code rather than from the web interface.

If I had had to delve too much into the PHP I may not have enjoyed the experience quite so much as it is not my language of choice and I could see from the little of the code that I did see that I would not have done it that way if I had started from there in the first place. I was just pleased that I did not run off screaming into the wind.

Honestly, a few months ago I was so hacked off with all programming languages that I would not have attempted to even install a new cartridge in my printer in case it involved me writing Post Script. The difference now is that the more time that I have been learning Perl the better I have become at seeing the commonalities in all languages and systems and so when faced with a new challenge things seem clearer. I am nothing if not persistent.

I think it proves that I am climbing the tree and tasks that seemed a real arse ache a few months ago are now possible because Perldoc had taught me one vital lesson - have the confidence to know that you will be able to get to the next step, and after that you will be able to get to the next. Belief in the ability to be able to do something because you know how to find out how to do it.

I may be repeating myself here, I said I might be repeating myself here but it is worth repetition, I said its worth repetition.
 redspike 2010-02-14T23:58:55+00:00 journal Its not kept behind the scullery maid under an aarvark http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40162?from=rss
 How to learn how to get help in Perl

I made a great discovery today but it has taken me a few years to get to it. I have wondered why it has been so hard to get into the shiny ball that surrounds some of the programming languages. This is not just Perl but many of them. I started to compare the way I learn text editors with the way I have learned programming languages. Vi was the first real editor I decided to learn.

Started it at the command line

Wondered how the hell I opened a file

Wondered how the hell I closed a file

Wondered how the hell I edited it

Wondered what all the fuss was about

I then bought a book and read it

Understood somethings and not others

Discovered how powerful it was and realised what all the fuss was about

Flirted with the idea of using it all the time

Found I could use it to do something I needed to do

Discovered how to use the help files

Understood what to do with a file and to do something useful that I could do however small

Used it infrequently when I had to during an ssh session on a server or just played with it

One day decided to use it all the time and be damned

It took a bit of working out and the first project I did with it took at least twice as long as normal

Now I use it all the time except when I am using Emacs in fact I cannot imagine life without it

So what is the difference with programming? Well I thought there would not be too much after all people have said 'if you can use Vi you can program'. So here we go with Perl.

Started it at the command line

Wondered how the hell I created a variable

Wondered what the hell I did with a variable once I had one

Wondered how the hell made anything do anything to do anything

Wondered what all the fuss was about

I then bought a book and read it

Understood somethings and not others

Discovered how powerful it was and realised what all the fuss was about

Flirted with the idea of using it all the time

Found I could use it to do something I needed to do

Null

Null

Used it for a few scripts which help with some very basic cgi stuff

Would liked to have used it for lots of things but could not work out how

Became frustrated because it seemed like a shiney ball that I could not get into

I do not use it every day to do stuff

The big difference which is glaringly obvious now, but I had not seen before is the help system and understanding something I could do that was useful.

I came to this conclusion from the other end of the stick by trying to see where I was falling down and why I could not dash a script off when I needed to do something. I knew that if I was to use it to achieve the programming goals I needed to use it frequently to be able to progress onto larger programs that I have in mind.

It came to the fact that I could not remember things sometimes. I related this to my Vi experience and realised that I had had the same sort of problem but that had not stopped me from using it everyday. The difference was that it was so hard to get help from the help system. In fact I had been using the web for quick howtos and stuff had made it harder as it was a second hand help system in a way, it was not from the guts if you like.

I was walking around the office talking to myself and gesticulating a pieces of paper and trying to see how I could get the kind of help from Perl than I did from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:h in Vi.

Of course its perldoc and man perlmodlib. I had played around with it but at no point had any book walked me through the way to use it. I sort of bumbled through and got by the best I could by using books and search engines. While learning any program like vi, emacs or Open Office the help files are there and most are accessible from a help menu or command. Books are bought and read and understood and exercises accomplished. When I forget something I can look it up in the help files, I do it without thinking. So once you learn one program and read some books, you know that there will be a help system to hold your hand when you need it. The book is part of the help system in a way but it is never implied it is just there and assumed that it will be used.

Switching to learning a programming language the same is not true there is not a system called help. In Java there are loads of documentation and tons of libraries of classes to wade through. In Perl there is perdoc. These two are alluded to but not really explained. You get instructions like 'There are thousands of libraries to get to do all the things you want to do without writing code' or 'There is always perldoc to help you out and thousands of modules'. Similar direction are found in program books referring to the help system, but everyone knows about help systems its there in the culture of using a program.

Once I looked at the similarities and differences in learning programming and learning a program and treated them the same it dawned on me that you all out there must be able to find stuff in perldoc that I am missing. So I knew I had to find a way to get what I wanted to know out of the Perl Help System. I looked on the net and looked in books for the bit that I was missing. I got to perldoc but it did not tell me everything. I askerd on IRC where was the list of stuff on Perl that is on the perldoc website and I got the answer. Perldoc perl or perldoc perltoc. WHY IS IT NOT THE FIRST CHAPTER IN ANY PROGRAMMING BOOK OR ON THE FIRST PAGE OF A WEBSITE THAT EXPLAINS HOW TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW? I found it but it has taken me ages to find it. I new it was there but did not know how to access it. If there are books out there that do explain this then I am sorry that I have not read it or perhaps I missed that chapter.

 'man perlmodlib' to see what the core modules are

 'perldoc -f insert-function-name'

 'perldoc perl' for a summary list of functions, other perldoc pages and loads of other stuff. Decide what you want to look up and type perldoc perlref for stuff on perl references - easy huh

 'perldoc perltoc' for a an in depth look at everything in Perl

This is the entrance to Perl, not the back door to be found behind the scullery maid under an aardvark when every other avenue has been exhausted

Given this revelation on how to find what I wanted to find I took up the editor of choice and started a very simple script. when I got to something that did not compile and I could not figure out why it wouldn't, I could, with confidence go to the 'help system' and find the right syntax etc.

It then smacked me in the face, I may be wrong but there does not seem to be the same thing in any other system, it may be close but not the same. So why wasn't the 'perldoc how to program like you a have never programmed before even if you have never programmed' message out there. A healthy language needs new recruits and helping them find what and how they can achieve what they want to do is paramount in keeping those new recruits and keeping the language alive. Maybe it is presumed that programmers who are familiar with such things will always read programming books/articles/blogs. Well nobody is born with innate knowledge of a system, they have to learn it and the first thing is to learn how to get help. To a complete novice it is the most important thing to be able to help themselves to help themselves.

Perldoc is not documentation, yes I know they are documents, it is the help system, and it is there on your machine tailored to the version installed on your machine. It is easy to access anywhere where there is Perl installed - your friend in a box. How cool is that?
 redspike 2010-02-06T22:52:51+00:00 journal Don't let the language dictate your thought processes http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/40138?from=rss Don't let the language dictate your thought processes #1
The problem I have found of coming to a different discipline (graphics to programming) is that I forgot how I learned the disciplines that I was familiar with in the first place. Today I was able to untangle some of this conundrum.

It started with the statement 'Don't let the language dictate your thought processes' which is similar to 'Don't let the media mask the message' but in a different guise.

For a long time I have been trying to understand why I find it difficult to think in Perl or indeed any other language. It all seems so easy when following a tutorial but when I have a problem to solve there did not seem to be any way of starting. I do regular problem solving every day so it is not a strange concept. I can intellectually understand the starting point and what it required and indeed the steps in between. However putting that into practice has prove more elusive than I first would have thought.

In designing graphics, logos, pictures and stuff I use the shapes as ways of communicating an idea. Someone gives me an outcome they want to achieve and a load of things that vaguely have something to do with it. I ask questions or not and then process the information giving them a graphical representation of the thing they said they wanted to achieve. I have techniques and mental patterns that let me get those odd scribblings or random conversations that people give me to produce something coherent.

In programming I do the same thing but in information not shapes. The bits of information to me internally have shapes and so I have tried to use the same techniques that I have always used for producing designs. I have struggle to understand why that was not working. The processes all seemed the same but when I came to write the code after making my plan I was always left with the question 'Now what do Ido? An the answer never seemed to come.

I have accepted up until now that perhaps I just did not have it in me and just to carry on do the odd script and a bit of cut and pasting there. I also accepted the perceived wisdom of the conventions used and best programming practices and all that. When trying to ask for help I have not been able to ask the right question to get the help. Everyone has been as helpful as they can. The most popular answers to my question 'Why don't I get it?' are 'Some people just do and others don't', 'Don't know what you're talking about' and 'I don't know it just happens'. Not a great start.

I have followed the tutorials and bought and read books by the ton. I have understood them to a certain degree and been able to use what I have learned to do what I have needed to do, but it has been a struggle. I am not averse to hard mental gymnastics however the whole thing is not intuitive for me. So my frustration was knowing that I deal with similar problems and come up with the goods in graphic design and that the mental processes are similar.

In the explanations and examples that I followed I could see how they got to where they wanted to be but I was unable to allegorically use that pattern to solve another problem. I was being shown one way to do it which is the natural way for that person or is the perceived best convention. There are of course more than one way to do it but I was only being shown one or at least I was not familiar enough to know how to find all the different ways and so I had this seemingly mad idea that I had to fit the whole of Perl into my head before I could do anything. Which of course is madness. Its not the way I approached using computers to do graphic design, I did not understand everything about the programs and processes before I was able to give a printer an eps file which separated the tints out for 2 colour printing that would appear that it was done in 7 colours.

So how had I got the wrong end of the stick? After I had decided what my program needed to do and mapped it out and then said 'So now what do I do?' I had not been able to get any further, I could not see the next step because I was trying to write Perl in the way that the tutorials and books ahd told me but it is not the way that I can write Perl. On of the reasons using Perl was because I had read at length that it was flexible and there was a myriad of ways to do the same thing. Ah yes unless it seemed you did not think like the people who wrote the tutorials (not a criticism) or that you had not come up through the same paths, which include neural ones too.

Graphically (image manipulation) my tools are the programs which I had transposed wrongly to be editors in programming (inli> manipulation). This may be correct if I was using a gui development environment but that only allows me to do the things that the program allows me to do not the programming language. Its the tools within the programming language that I needed to be comfortable with, than I would be able to think of a goal and then (as I do in graphics) be able to make that possible with the manipulations of the data. Intellectually of course there is no different but the methods are less so.

Today I traced the exact process by which I design things both on a drawing board and in a computer environment. I then applied this to the way I have been trying to do the same sort of process in a programming language. I came up with the following plan.

 Decide what I want to do

 What is the first step?

 How many different ways can I do first step in Perl

 Make a quest to find out all the different ways of doing that first thing which could be for instance getting the inforrmation out of a file.

 Make a choice as to which ones suit me and eventually I will be able to choose the one that is for other reasons too but lets not get ahead of myself

 Apply that method

 Carry on to next step and repeat the process

So I will start with a simple goal and then go questing, which will give me the broad spectrum of the different ways things can be done to acheive that same goal which in turn allows the language to adapt to my neural pathways. By cracking this nut all the others will be easier and I will not have to get the whole of Perl in my head. What a relief.

By doing this I will discover all the TMTOWTDI ness that Perl really has and will then understand enough to make my own path through the language to get to the desired outcome. The important thing is that it is my own way, everyone sees the world in a different way and has got to the position that they are now via many different routes and if the way that you are shown something does not fit into that way of thinking then all the book reading in the world will not cure it. Reading the source code as I have been doing has helped me to understand this.

It may seem blindingly obvious to you but it is not. What I had been doing is trying to make my mind think like Perl or at least he tutorials and not making Perl think like me. I had to learn not to let the language dictate my thought process because Perl can't think but I can. By discovering all the different ways Perl does things I will have a matrix to find my way to the outcome in a way that follows the way I think.

To the people who could not give me the answer to the question I did not know how to ask I apologise, you could not have understood the question because you have probably not had to ask a similar one yourself or if you did you would not have asked it from where I am. I could tell that from the perplexed expressions on your faces. Yes I can see your expression when you type.

It is probably just as well to note that the methods by which information is found is as important as the information that is provided, if there is not a track to it you can't visit.

I chose Perl because it promised that there was more than one way to do it. I took this to apply to every aspect and that it would allow me to do it my way which I will now test. I then got bogged down in doing what convention said because I was learning and thought that it new better but of course it doesn't do it better otherwise we would not improve things or find different ways to do things or find new things to do with the things we already have. I am aware of other considerations like efficiency and refactoring and endless boring list but make the programming language suit you, and if it won't let you do that, ditch it.
 redspike 2010-01-28T00:46:12+00:00 journal The People http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/39576?from=rss The People
This is often overlooked or just mentioned as a footnote, but it is the reason that I started to look at Perl in the first place and why I have come back to it several times (sometimes kicking and screaming).

My other main criteria was that I did not want to have to learn one language to do sysadmin stuff and another to do web dev stuff. Perl seemed to offer both.

When I was looking for a language to focus on for use in my work as a graphic designer and web designer and all round cheese and custard cream devotee, I remember looking for a group near to me who were active as I wanted to meet people to get a grip of whatever was going on. Having being part of Malvern LUG for many years I presumed that there must be eqiulvelant things for other languages.
 I had started programming in Java years earlier before I learned HTML, so I had a look around for JUGS which are far and few between.
 My search for PHP groups did not really give me anything to shout about as they did not seem to be doing alot, however while looking I came across Perl Mongers. This exotic sounding name with a hint of the arabic (camels), could it be the language for me? More importantly would there be a group near me? Luckily the Birmingham Perl Mongers were close by and I decided to take a trip. I had heard things about the black art of regex's and line noise but had never really given it a go. The group turned out to very active with an emphasis on technical talks which was ideal as I started to learn the basics.

I got a great deal out of the meetings even though they were often beyond my experience, I understood them and they gave me reason to persevere. However my first YAPC, which just happened to be hosted in Birmigham that year was my first introduction to the community at large. As I lived fairly close to the venue I only went during the day but did not socialise during the evening. The talks were really good and I could not believe that I was getting all this for less than a good night out for four, when some of the Java conferences were just out of my reach financially. Not only that I was meeting the top programmers in the country/world.

I had a great time in Birmingham and I carried on using Perl for doing simple scripts. I actually managed to write some that were chargeable - always a good thing in a hurrican with the mast just broken and the safest port miles away across the horizon.
 The big change came the next year in Vienna. What I had not realised was that when you ate, drank and slept at a YAPC (not literally, although its never ruled out as there is more than one way to do it), you realised how great the people were, how passionate they were about the language all the time, not just in the lectures. Most of all people at YAPC's had a great time.

It is no underestimation that YAPC::VIENNA changed my life. Suddenly it was not about the language it was about the people.
 We had a brilliant time getting up to all those noble things that you do when you are away in a foreign country on your own - staying up to watch the sunrise, going to wild nightclubs and watching people getting very drunk. The people were fantastic, informative, erudite, witty, enthusiastic, genuinely interested in what you were doing or trying to do and had a love of the bizarre. Because of the people I met in Vienna I started hanging out on IRC and got to know people from Milton Keynes Perl Mongers and London Perl Mongers, I felt I belonged and that I was valued. I work alone most of the time but now it was like having an office full of mates to have a chat to or to ask stupid questions of or just annoy when I felt like it.

There are other reasons why Perl changed my life in Vienna but those are between me and my camel.

Due to a few odd turns I sort of dropped Perl for a while as I was doing lots of graphicy designery stuff. I even dropped out of IRC life. However I had been playing with Java after a long boute in a dark tunnel which turned out to be a cul-de-sac and suddenly found myself on irc.perl.org again. What I had missed was the connectin with people and the reassurance that there were people out there who could help me if I asked. It is the people that brought me back to Perl not the syntax or the this or the that or the other, its the people. Although the economy of code needed to just get a simple script running compared to other well known brands is a good enough reason to use it.
I can accept that it can be hard to learn sometimes when you get a little deeper or that there appears to be no logic of how it all fits together or that is uncool or because it is cool or because my mother never used it or because its a Thursday, because I know that eventually, with help from the the people, I have the best chance of acheiving the things I am going to acheive by using Perl as my programming language of choice.

Its people who do the work, find the answers, solve the problems and get stuff done not the language. Although if it is half decent it helps.

If you have never got on irc.perl.org or been to a Perl Mongers meeting or been to a YAPC, where have you been? It does not matter what language you use, go to a YAPC and you will have a great time, make life long friends and you may even learn something.
 redspike 2009-09-03T22:59:16+00:00 journal Reading Source Code http://use.perl.org/~redspike/journal/39556?from=rss
Last night and tonight I started to read the code in several Perl modules and I realise why it is a good thing. It seems daunting sometimes as I have felt that I need to know so much more before it makes any sense. References, anonymous arrays/hashes and autovivification has started to make sense and by reading the source code I can see how this all fits in even though I am not accomplished at using them yet, the whole subject is not such a closed book.

I have read numerous books, in fact I have more Perl books than on any other single subject onmy shelves, but they do not always help. There is an assumed knowledge which is often expected and not always explained. It was reading Eric Steven Raymond's article on hacker culture where he said that reading and writing code was more useful than going on courses or reading books, that prompted me to read the modules in the first place. The most gratifying thing was that I did understand most of it and because I was reading modules that I have a little knowledge of and what they do I could make the connection between the code and the end result.

I have found Perl very confusing at times because there are so many ways of doing things (I know this is also one of its strengths) and so faced with such an array of different ways, I have often opted to not do them just because there seemed to be no road map. Now that I am starting to 'get' a few things I see the deep pleasure of understanding how it all works and how, by that understanding I can use Perl to solve programming problems. My main gripe is that it took a lot of effort to get to that point. Whether that is because I have had to find a particular way of learning Perl for me, or whether that is a general problem in the methods of teaching Perl, I don't know but I am going to explore that as I go through the process and hopefully be able to lay down some pointers for others who may have a similar problem.

So if there is anyone out there struggling with getting started, have a go at reading some source code, it puts a lot of the programming techniques into perspective and gives you a starting point to research the things you are reading. Being code that is in production and not just in a book which can only give examples because of the limited space and worth in that format, means that it is easier to see the point of the structure that you are presented with. Relevance to the real world is very important in understanding.
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Barley vegetable soup
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My family becomes vegan every year for lent, I'm constantly looking for new recipes to please everyone, this recipe has been one of the favorites.
- 1 c
- slivered almonds, chopped
- 2 Tbsp
- olive oil, light
- 1 c
- medium onion
- 1 c
- celery, chopped
- 4 c
- fresh mushrooms, sliced
- 1 c
- carrots, chopped
- 5 c
- red potatoes, diced
- 4 clove
- garlic, minced
- 2 1/2 qt
- vegetable broth
- 1 c
- fresh parsley, chopped
- season salt and white pepper to taste
- 1/2 c
- pearl barley, uncooked
How to Make Barley vegetable soup
- 1Preheat oven to 400F, Spread slivered almonds evenly over a baking sheet. Toast in preheated oven until golden brown and fragrant, let it cool and chop.
- 2Heat oil in a large stock pot over medium heat. Cook onions, celery, mushrooms, and garlic in oil until onions are tender.
- 3Stir in carrots, potatoes, vegetable broth. Bring to a boil, and then stir in barley. Reduce heat, cover, and simmer 20 minutes.
- 4Remove from heat, and stir in parsley, and toasted almonds. Season with salt and pepper to taste
- 5If too thick you may add water.
About Barley vegetable soup
Course/Dish: Other Soups
Main Ingredient: Rice/Grains
Regional Style: Mediterranean
Dietary Needs: Vegetarian
Other Tag: Healthy

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The Rewards of Teaching
While finals week is probably not the best time to think about the rewards of teaching, I would be remiss to leave my end-of-the-semester discussion with only a look at the challenges of cheating and other such academic ills.
While teaching philosophy has its challenges, it also has its rewards. One reward is knowing that I have made a small contribution to my students' education. While it might be a mere 3 credit hours out of 120, at least I have helped them on the way towards graduation and, hopefully, to a life better than it would have been without a college education.
A second reward is seeing a student's ability in critical thinking and reasoning skills improve over the course of the semester. Students have told me how, for example, they recognized real life examples of fallacies they learned in class. As another example, students have told me that the skills they learned in class helped them on the standardized tests that attempted to stand between them and their dreams of professional school.
A third reward is seeing a student develop a philosophical outlook. This involves being critical of their own beliefs and those of others, while avoiding the trap of prejudice and bickering for the sake of bickering.
A fourth reward is hearing from students after they have graduated and learning that my class or classes were useful or valuable in their chosen life path, be it law school, graduate school or some other option. Past students have gone on the become lawyers, doctors, engineers and some even became professors. It is very rewarding to learn that I had some small role.
A fifth reward is the process of teaching itself-interacting with students and learning from them. While I do not buy into the idea that diversity is intrinsically valuable, I have found that each student can bring their own unique perspective to philosophy. When students participate in class or stop by during my office hours to discuss philosophy, I often gain a new perspective or new idea. While it might be a bit hackneyed, it is true that to be a good teacher one must never stop learning from others.
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"While I do not buy into the idea that diversity is intrinsically valuable, I have found that each student can bring their own unique perspective to philosophy."
Exactly. It is the diversity of ideas that matter, and by testing these ideas against one another, and against the universe, that the superior ideas are discerned.
FAMU is lucky to have you on their faculty, Mike.
This is in spite of the fact that your definition of a "slippery slope fallacy" is highly subjective and on the level of Potter's "I know it when I see it" definition 🙂
The last bit should read:
"Potter Stewart's 'I know it when I see it' definition of pornography :-)"
Which raises the obvious question: What is your definition of pornography?
I think adults should be allowed to view anything as long as no children are involved and no one was hurt or exploited in making it.
When you say "no children are involved" , do you mean, specifically, that no children are involved in the production of the material? What if boobs are accidentally exposed on national television during a program that some children may be watching? If you're leading your child through a museum and you stop to view Goya's "The Naked Maja" are you exposing your child to porno? Would the snotty old bitty next to you be justified if she reported you to the authorities?


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BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) — Tracee Ellis Ross says her upcoming role on the ABC comedy Black-ish allows her to be who she really is: a biracial woman.
"I am both (black and white) and yet I identify as a black woman," said the 41-year-old actress Tuesday at the Television Critics Association annual summer press tour. Ross' parents are singer Diana Ross and music executive Robert Ellis Silberstein.
"It's really fun for me to actually play a mixed girl on television. I am actually out (pause) as a mixed woman," she laughed.
On Black-ish Ross is the wife of Anthony Anderson's character, who worries they've lost touch with their ethnicity.
She said their TV marriage is rare because it's a happy, healthy relationship, rather than dysfunctional.
"The comedy between this couple does not come from them hating each other," Ross said.
Black-ish also stars Laurence Fishburne, who has a role on NBC's Hannibal. Fishburne says he won't do a full season of either series so he has time for both.
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7 thoughts on "'Black-ish' Role Reflects Real Life For Tracee Ellis Ross"
Thomas you should be ashame of the comment you posted, Get Your Facts St8.
Traci is biracial; however, I get amazes when people like Traci and others get upset when people tell them they are NOT black enough. If you are going to except being biracial, be biracial; however, do not put yourself in the same boat as someone who has both black parents and who consider themselves blacker than you because they are blacker than you.
YOu can call yourself whatever you want but at the end of the day, society sees you as nothing else but BLACK.
Tom joyner is biracial, yet he is ashamed of himself
Oh please, Tom is black and love his people. He is not biracial; and even if he want, if he is getting more love from blacks than whites, then he is BLACK. Tom does NOT benefit from whites so why claim it.
Yes, Traci Ellis Ross is not black and she's not white. She's mixed, biracial or mulatto–just like President Obama.
No one seriously calls their self mulatto. Even back in the 1800s when some of our ancestors were labeled mulatto on census records, etc they did not self identify as that offensive term.


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MECHANICSBURG, Pa. (WHTM) – Some students in the Cumberland Valley School District will attend two new schools come 2018.
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Chinese Spinach Salad
Kathy W
Adapted this recipe from one for cooked spinach that was in our local paper years ago. The dressing is easily doubled.
Water chestnuts are a bit bland. To give them a flavor boost, I marinate them in a little of the dressing for 15 - 20 minutes.
Water chestnuts are a bit bland. To give them a flavor boost, I marinate them in a little of the dressing for 15 - 20 minutes.
- fresh spinach leaves
- mushrooms, sliced thin
- onion, sliced thin
- tomato, diced
- toasted slivered almonds
- 1/2 c
- water chestnuts, sliced (i like them slivered)
- 4 Tbsp
- vegetable oil
- 1-2 tsp
- sugar
- 4 Tbsp
- soy sauce or tamari
- 4 Tbsp
- onion, small diced
How to Make Chinese Spinach Salad
- 1Place ingredients for the dressing in a microwave safe, one cup measure. Heat in the microwave 20 - 30 seconds; just until warm. Whisk together.
- 2Place water chestnuts in a small bowl. Drizzle on enough dressing to coat. Let stand 15 - 20 minutes
- 3Divide spinach, mushrooms, onion slices, and tomato between 2 salad plates. Add water chestnuts. Whisk dressing, drizzle over salad and garnish with toasted slivered almonds.
About Chinese Spinach Salad
Course/Dish: Other Salads
Main Ingredient: Vegetable
Regional Style: Chinese
Dietary Needs: Vegetarian
Other Tag: Quick & Easy
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GET ME IN! Seller Agreement1.1 Introduction. This document sets out the terms and conditions (the "Agreement") under which GET ME IN! Ltd (hereinafter referred as "GET ME IN!", "Us" or "We" where applicable) grants ticket sellers ("you", "You", "Your" or "Selling Member") a licence to list and offer tickets for sale on the GET ME IN! Website at www.getmein.com (the "Website") to third party buyers ("Buyer" or "Buyers"). By using the Website and listing tickets for sale on the Website you expressly agree to be bound by the following terms and conditions.We strongly recommend that you read and understand this Agreement, and in any event by continuing to use our Website and sell tickets via our Website you will be bound by the terms and conditions of this Agreement.1.2 Modification. If we decide to amend, alter or otherwise change the terms of the Agreement, we shall notify you by posting a revised version of the Agreement on the Website and emailing you at your registered email address. Such new agreement will automatically take effect and replace the terms of this Agreement. Your continued use of the Website will constitute your acceptance of the revised Agreement. If you do not agree with the terms of this Agreement or any revised version of this Agreement, immediately remove any of your ticket listings from the Website and do not continue to use the Website.1.3 About Us. GET ME IN! Ltd is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales. We can be reached at 0843(###) ###-####or +44 0161(###) ###-####(Int'l). Alternatively you can reach us http://www.getmein.com/contactus.html. We are not a box office or event promoter.2 BECOMING A SELLING MEMBER2.1 Requirements. To be entitled to sell tickets or ticket packages via the Website and therefore become a Selling Member of GET ME IN! you must agree to accept the terms and conditions of this Agreement and must have a valid credit or debit card that we approve and accept. It is in GET ME IN's absolute discretion to decide if you qualify (or continue to be qualified) as a Selling Member.2.2 User Name and Password. On becoming a Selling Member of GET ME IN! you will be provided with a user name and password ***** access your personal account on the Website and use the services contained therein. You are solely responsible for maintaining the security of your username and password ***** for all activity that occurs on your personal account under your username and password.2.3 Reachable. The Selling Member agrees to be reachable by telephone during normal business hours. It is Selling Member's duty to respond to all enquiries from GET ME IN! in relation to ticket or ticket packages the Selling Member has listed for sale on the Website by telephone and/or email in a prompt and timely manner. Selling Member recognises that in order to facilitate an efficient marketplace for live event tickets, certain enquiries and disputes need to be resolved quickly, particularly in the cases of upcoming events. Selling Member therefore agrees to respond to all enquiries specifically related to orders placed for tickets it has listed for sale on the Website from GET ME IN! within 24 hours or by the specified deadline provided in writing via email or post. Failure to do so may result in a default credit/refund at the expense of the Selling Member. The Selling Member shall handle the management of their account in a reasonable and cooperative manner. If any abusive or threatening behaviour is reported, GET ME IN! reserves the right to terminate its business relationship with the Selling Member with immediate effect and without notice to the Selling Member.2.4 Business Sellers. If you are selling tickets as a business you are required to declare this under the 'my account' tab. You will need to tick the 'business seller' box and provide accurate business name and contact details.3 LISTING PROCESS3.1 Listing Tickets as a Selling Member. Approved Selling Members of GET ME IN! may list tickets for sale on the Website. As part of the listing process, the Selling Member must assign a price to the tickets and provide information such as the event, date, section,, and row. Further instructions and requirements on listing items can be found once logged in on the Website. By placing a ticket for sale on the Website you are offering to sell that particular ticket to a Buyer for the price assigned to it by you. If Buyer accepts the offer for sale of that ticket, you are contractually bound to supply that ticket to them.3.2 Marketplace. Please note that GET ME IN! provides an open market place through which tickets may be purchased or sold by our Buyers and Selling Members. We do not take ownership of any tickets listed by You and We are therefore not party to any contracts that arise when tickets are sold and purchased via the Website. Please also note that there is no guarantee given by GET ME IN! (or otherwise) that your tickets will sell and, in the event that they do not sell, GET ME IN! will not be responsible for their purchase.3.3 Ticket Description. For each ticket You list for sale on the Website, you agree to provide full and accurate details of the section and row which is printed on the tickets for sale. For Standing or General Admission tickets you agree to describe them as 'General Admission'. You agree to describe the tickets listed for sale on the Website in the most honest and non-misleading manner.In the event you cannot locate the correct section under which to list your tickets you agree to contact GET ME IN! for resolution before listing your tickets for sale. If a listing is deemed to be misleading then you agree that any associated orders may be declared void, and you will be liable for any charges incurred due to refunded or replacement tickets.3.4 Seating Arrangements. All tickets listed in a single listing must be seated together.3.5 Restricted View or other restrictions. You are required to provide any additional information which is printed on the tickets related to restricted view, family section, no alcohol permitted, concessions, etc.3.6 Guaranteed Ticket Fulfillment. Once you offer to sell a particular listing of tickets and a Buyer accepts the offer for sale of that ticket, you are contractually bound to supply that ticket to the applicable Buyer. Ticket listings are a legal representation of actual seat location and other details relevant to the tickets. You will be charged either (i) a replacement fee (see Section 7 below) or (ii) 150% of the value of the transaction (to cover any FanGuard guarantee payments which GET ME IN! is required to make as a result of your failure to deliver tickets), by GET ME IN! if you list tickets for sale and those exact tickets are not available or are not delivered.In the event that you are unable to supply tickets you are required to contact the Seller Support Team for further instructions. The Selling Member agrees not to dispatch alternate tickets from those ordered by the Buyer without first contacting the GET ME IN! Seller Support Team. Failure to supply tickets as listed may result in a charge to the Selling Member.If we are informed by a Buyer that incorrect tickets have been received then the Selling Member agrees to dispatch the correct tickets no later than 10 business days before the event date, except in the case where the event is within 2 weeks of the ticket delivery date. If the event is within 2 weeks of the delivery of incorrect tickets then the Selling Member agrees to send out the correct tickets within 48 working hours of receipt of the returned tickets to GETMEIN! Additionally the Selling Member will be liable to a £20.00 administrative fee to rectify the error made on incorrect ticket dispatch.3.7 Accurate Pricing. Ticket market prices are volatile and can change on an hourly basis at times. With this in mind, the Selling Member accepts full responsibility for maintaining current prices on the Website of its tickets. No matter what the price or circumstances, the Selling Member agrees to fulfill the order at the price agreed at the time the Buyer accepts the offer for sale. For this reason it is essential that you maintain up-to-date and accurate prices at all times. It is Your responsibility to ensure that the details You provide in relation to tickets that You list for sale on the Website are full and accurate. If You have listed prices of a ticket incorrectly and it is, in our reasonable opinion, that the price you provided was an error then we may try and resolve the issue with the applicable Buyer providing you notify us of the error within 48 hours of the sale confirmation email. However, you must take full responsibility for any errors you make in listing tickets for sale as once a Buyer purchases tickets via the Website a legal contract is made. If you list a ticket price incorrectly and subsequently fail to provide tickets to the Buyer then we shall be entitled to charge you 150% of the value of the transaction made by that Buyer for Your tickets.3.8 Taxes. You are responsible for including all taxes, including Value Added Tax (VAT) and any other taxes required on your listings, in the prices you list on Our Websites. If in doubt, please seek advice of a tax expert to determine which taxes you are required to collect from Buyers.3.9 Indemnity. It is the responsibility of the Selling Member to provide full and accurate details of tickets it wishes to list for sale on the Website. Failure to provide full and accurate details (including without limitation seat location details and the price) may lead to GET ME IN! or applicable Buyers suffering loss or damage and You agree to indemnify and hold harmless GET ME IN! and applicable Buyers from and against all losses, liabilities, damages, fines, expenses and costs arising out of or in connection with Your failure to provide full and accurate details of tickets that You list for sale on the Website.4 SELL PROCESS4.1 Confirmed Orders. When we receive an order from a Buyer for tickets that you have listed we will inform you via email. A confirmation email will be sent to the Selling Member's indicated email address, and in some cases we may inform the Selling Member by telephone. The confirmation email contains instructions on how to deliver and complete the order. You cannot amend or remove a ticket listing, description, or price once the offer for sale of a ticket has been accepted by a Buyer. It is your responsibility to ensure that you provide Us with Your correct email address for correspondence as you shall still be liable and bound by the contract with the Buyer whether or not You receive a confirmation from Us.4.2 Pending Orders. In certain cases, we may require additional fraud checks with respect to an order and will inform you that an order is pending but undergoing fraud checks. In such circumstances, We will subsequently inform you that the order has either been approved/confirmed or cancelled. You cannot amend or remove a ticket listing, description, or price once the order has been marked as 'pending' until we inform you that the order is otherwise cancelled due to failing fraud checks.4.3 Cancellations. If an event for which you sell tickets via the Website is cancelled and not re-scheduled then You agree to refund the amount paid by the applicable Buyer for those tickets provided that the Buyer returns the original tickets to You (via Us) in good time for You to obtain a full face value refund from the promoter or organiser of the applicable event. If you are notified of any changes to the event and/or tickets (including, without limitation, where alternative seats have been provided instead of the original seats), you shall immediately notify GET ME IN! of any such changes and where applicable, provide full details of the alternative seats. GET ME IN! will endeavor to then contact your buyer to advise of the changes however we reserve the right to discount or cancel the order at our discretion. Whilst we try to ensure the accuracy of orders, sometimes technical errors may occur. In the event that a technical error has resulted in an incorrect order GETMEIN! will notify you within 48 hours, and the order will be cancelled to allow you to relist your tickets.In rare circumstances GET ME IN! may be required to cancel and refund a confirmed order if payment is recalled by the associated bank. Where possible we will contact you to advise you of the cancellation and allow you the option to relist your tickets.5 DELIVERY PROCESS5.1 Delivery. The Selling Member agrees to deliver the exact ticket inventory ordered by a Buyer from the Seller via the Website. The Selling Member accepts ultimate responsibility for secure and timely delivery of the tickets and agrees to ship via the specified delivery method and to insure the delivery. Please be aware that although box office collection is allowed at specific venues, it is at the sole discretion of GET ME IN! to permit such an arrangement for the Buyer.The Selling Member agrees to dispatch tickets with a valid returns address displayed on the envelope (i.e. GET ME IN! PO Box address). The Selling Member also accepts ultimate responsibility for deliveries that go missing or arrive after the event time or date or too close prior to the event time or date that it is not reasonably practicable for the Buyer to attend. The Selling Member accepts that if any item dispatched by the Royal Mail Special Delivery or Saturday Guaranteed Delivery is lost or delayed, the Selling Member is responsible for the submission of relevant claim forms to the Royal Mail, and liable for the full costs of any refund issued to the Buyer. The Selling Member agrees to deliver tickets to Buyers within 24 hours if tickets are on-hand, or within 24 hours of those tickets becoming available, not including weekends and holidays. In any event, the Selling Member guarantees to deliver tickets to the applicable Buyer in good time prior to the event date (this date to be agreed with GET ME IN! when late dispatch is inevitable). The Selling Member agrees that tickets should be dispatched by 12pm, 5 working days prior to the event date (unless otherwise stated in writing by GET ME IN!). If the Selling Member fails to provide a valid tracking number and is not contactable by this deadline (as defined in section 2.3 of this agreement,) then they agree that their order will be void, and they shall be liable for any costs incurred as a result of refunding of the order or the sourcing of replacement tickets. The Selling Member agrees to dispatch the tickets as ordered by the applicable buyer. In the event that incorrect tickets are dispatched in error, we must be informed within 48 hours of dispatch in order to attempt a resolution. We are unable to deal with mistakes or errors notified to us after 48 hours of the date of dispatch. If the Selling Member fails to deliver tickets to the applicable Buyer in good time prior to the event date (whether due to its own default, act or omission or the default, act or omission of any third party, including without limitation any third party delivery company) it shall be liable to the Buyer and shall refund the Buyer (via Us) the price paid for the Buyer for such tickets plus and additional fifty per cent (50%). The Selling Member agrees that should they choose to dispatch tickets on an order where the status is set to 'dropped', or which they have been notified as being 'dropped', we shall in no way be liable for return of those tickets or any costs incurred from purchase or dispatch of these tickets.5.2 Customer Loyalty. The Selling Member agrees to "blind drop ship" all tickets to Buyers and in doing so will not include any invoice, letterhead, business cards or materials other than those specifically instructed by GET ME IN! to provide.5.3 Organised Records. The Selling Member agrees to maintain organised records and receipts of all delivery slips and tracking numbers from Royal Mail, UPS, FedEx, or the selected delivery service. Where required, all relevant tracking information must be entered into the "My account" section of the Website. Failure to do so may result in the order being cancelled and replacement tickets being purchased at the Selling Member's expense.5.4 System Update on Delivery. When the Selling Member dispatches tickets to the Buyer, the Selling Member agrees to follow all steps outlined on the Website including entering accurate tracking number information. Please note that in the case of dispatch via UPS it is the Selling Member's responsibility to ensure that the airway bill is scanned by UPS on pickup. If you wish to dispatch by Royal Mail Special Delivery, please ensure you have contacted the Seller Support team to complete the order by confirming the dispatch and tracking number. Please note that failure to complete the order can result in delayed payment. If an amendment to the chosen delivery method is required, the Selling Member agrees to contact Seller Support for authorisation of any change prior to dispatch. GET ME IN! shall not be held liable for any costs incurred where delivery changes have not been authorised, or where tracking numbers have not been correctly provided.5.5 Missed Pickup. The Selling Member agrees to cooperate with GET ME IN! delivery processes. If a pickup is scheduled and confirmed with the Selling Member, and the Selling Member is unavailable at the scheduled time, resulting in a pickup cancellation or re-booking, the Selling Member may be charged Missed Pickup fees.6 PAYMENT PROCESS6.1 Payment to Sellers. GET ME IN! will make payment to Selling Members once tickets have been received by Buyers AND the applicable event to which the tickets relate has taken place. This is necessary to provide a safe and trusted marketplace. GET ME IN! endeavours to make payments to Sellers 7 to 10 working days after the event but in some cases may take up to one calendar month after the event to which the applicable tickets relate has taken place.7 FEES AND CHARGES7.1 Replacement Fees. Replacement Fees. You will be charged a replacement fee by GET ME IN! if a Buyer accepts your offer for sale and those exact tickets are not available or are not delivered to the Buyer. The replacement fee will depend on how much it costs us to purchase comparable or better replacement tickets for the Buyer and can be significantly higher than your original listing price.7.2 Refunds. In the event of (i) a non-delivery of a ticket, and where in such circumstances GET ME IN! is unable to purchase or supply replacement tickets on behalf of the Selling Member; or (ii) the tickets delivered to a Buyer are not those which were advertised for sale by the Selling Member on the Website, the Buyer is entitled to a full refund of their entire purchase at GET ME IN! (including GET ME IN! fees and delivery charges) as well as an additional 50% credit towards a future purchase. This refund and credit will be at the expense of the Selling Member. If the Selling Member fails to deliver tickets to a Buyer and GET ME IN! sources replacement tickets which are subsequently deemed (in the reasonable opinion of GET ME IN!) not equal to or better than those which were originally intended to be supplied by the Selling Member, the Buyer may be entitled to a full refund of their entire purchase at GET ME IN! (including GET ME IN! fees and delivery charges) as well as an additional 50% credit towards a future purchase. This refund and credit will again be at the expense of the Selling Member.We agree that, where the Selling Member fails to deliver or provide tickets to a Buyer, to use all reasonable endeavours to source tickets that are (in GET ME IN!'s reasonable opinion) equal to or better than those which were originally intended to be supplied by the Selling Member. The Selling Member shall however, be liable where a Buyer is not satisfied that substitute tickets (whether supplied by the Selling Member or sourced by GET ME IN! from an alternative supplier) are equal to or better than those which were originally intended to be supplied by the Selling Member.7.3 Payment. In circumstances described in 3.6, 7.1 and 7.2, the Selling Member agrees that any amount payable by it pursuant to Clause 3.6, 7.1 and 7.2 together with a £10 administration fee (charged at GET ME IN's discretion) may be debited by GET ME IN! from the credit or debit card on file. This may be deducted from outstanding payments, or recovered through other means also at GET ME IN's discretion.7.4 Credit or Debit Card. The Selling Member agrees to provide a valid credit or debit card which will be kept on file by GET ME IN!. This credit or debit card information is held should GET ME IN! need to charge the replacement and/or failed delivery fee pursuant to Clause 7.1 and 7.2. If such credit or debit card becomes invalid we shall have the right at our discretion to suspend or terminate your account with immediate effect.8 WARRANTIES & INDEMNITIES8.1 Warranties. The Selling Member warrants to and for the benefit of GET ME IN!, the following:-(A) All tickets listed by the Selling Member are:-(i) either "on-hand" or already ordered and 100% guaranteed and available for immediate sale at the prices listed;(ii) the property of the Selling Member or the Selling Member is authorised to sell such ticket (by law, contract or otherwise) and no third party rights (including any intellectual property rights) are infringed by the Selling Member in listing the ticket for sale via GET ME IN!;(iii) not stolen, counterfeit or in any way contain fraudulent, inaccurate or misleading information;(iV) not obtained through unauthorised framing of or linking to any website, or unauthorised use of any robot, spider or other automated device or any other illegal or unauthorised activity;(v) not offered for sale in breach of any terms and conditions applicable to such ticket.(B) In offering tickets for sale via GET ME IN! it is complying with all applicable laws, regulations and codes of practice including, but not limited to, consumer or other legislation which regulates the activities of secondary ticket agents;(C) All information the Selling Member provides to GET ME IN! in respect of itself (when applying to become a Selling Member or at any time thereafter) is true and accurate in all respects.8.2 Indemnities. The Selling Member undertakes as a continuing undertaking to indemnify and keep GET ME IN! fully indemnified against any liability, cost, loss, damage or expense incurred or suffered by GET ME IN! arising in respect of or as a consequence of a breach of any of the obligations, warranties or representations it provides in this Agreement.8.3 Liability. We shall in no circumstances be liable to you for any indirect or consequential losses or any loss (whether direct or indirect) of profits, revenue, business, savings, goodwill or reputation arising out of your use of the Website, including without limitation from your sale of tickets or other goods or services. In respect of each transaction you make via the Website, our liability to you whether in contract, tort or otherwise shall be limited in aggregate to the total amount paid by you in relation to such transaction.Nothing in this Agreement is intended nor shall it be construed as an attempt by any party to exclude or limit its liability for any liability which cannot be excluded or limited under applicable law, including without limitation its liability for death or personal injury caused by its negligence or for its fraudulent misrepresentation.9 TERM AND TERMINATION9.1 Term. Subject to 9.2, this Agreement shall commence on the date [you first list tickets for sale on the Website] OR [ the date We activate your account on the Website] and shall continue in force unless and until either party gives the other at least thirty (30) days notice in writing to terminate this Agreement.9.2 Termination. Either party may terminate this Agreement immediately by giving written notice to the other if the other (i) commits a material or persistent breach of its obligations under this Agreement and, in the case of a breach which is capable or remedy, fails toremedy it after being given five (5) days written notice specifying the breach and requiring it to be remedied; or (ii) is unable to pay its debts, becomes subject to an administration order or makes any voluntary arrangement or composition with its creditors, or an encumbrancer takes possession of or a receiver is appointed over the property or assets of the other party or the other party is wound up or ceases or threatens to cease to carry on business except for the purposes of reconstruction of the company or, in the case of an individual, is declared bankrupt.GET ME IN! may terminate this Agreement immediately if, in its reasonable opinion, the Selling Member is involved or likely to be involved in any illegal activity.GET ME IN! shall be entitled to suspend any Selling Member account for one calendar month or such longer term as determined by GET ME IN! in its discretion, if the Selling Member fails to fulfil any orders or otherwise breaches any of the terms of these Seller Terms. Failure to fulfil includes supplying tickets different to those originally advertised to the buyer without GET ME IN's prior approval. If the Selling Member account is suspended three or more times in a calendar year, GET ME IN! shall be entitled to terminate this Agreement with immediate effect and without notice to the Selling Member.9.3 Consequences of termination. Termination or expiry of this Agreement shall not affect the rights or liabilities of either party accrued prior to and including the date of termination or expiry and/or any terms intended expressly or by implication to survive termination or expiry.10 ADDITIONAL INFORMATION10.1 Privacy Policy. GET ME IN! warrants that the Selling Member data will be held by it in the strictest confidence and its use is subject to GET ME IN's privacy policy available from time to time on the Website. Access to Selling Member's data will be limited to GET ME IN! personnel only. GET ME IN! reserves the right to accumulate aggregate data trends and to make such aggregate data available to Selling Members and strategic partners. We will not disclose your details to any Buyer unless required to do so by any regulatory or governmental or other authority with relevant powers to which either party is subject to or submits.10.2 Intellectual Property Rights. The content and software on the Website (including without limitation copyrights, trademarks, design rights, patents and other intellectual property rights) is the property of GET ME IN! and/or its suppliers and licensors and is fully protected by UK and international worldwide intellectual property laws. You may not without our permission reproduce, edit, publish or transmit any of the contents of this Website. . All rights in the trade mark and logo "GET ME IN!" are expressly reserved to GET ME IN! and all goodwill derived from use of the "GET ME IN!" trade mark or logo accrues to GET ME IN!10.3 No agency. The Selling Member and GET ME IN! are independent contractors, and no agency, partnership, joint venture, employer-employee or franchisor-franchisee relationship is intended or created by this Agreement and neither shall have any authority to bind the other in any way.11 MISCELLANEOUS.(A) This Agreement (and all documents incorporated by reference) constitutes the entire agreement between the parties pertaining to the subject matter hereof and supersedes all prior agreements and understandings between the parties hereto with respect to the subject matter hereof, whether written or oral. No amendment, modification or supplement of any provision of this Agreement will be valid or effective unless made in accordance with the express terms of this Agreement. If any provision of this Agreement is held to be invalid or unenforceable under any circumstances, its application in any other circumstances and the remaining provisions of this Agreement shall not be affected.(B) No failure or delay by GET ME IN! in exercising any of its rights under this Agreement should be deemed to be a waiver thereof and no waiver of a breach of a provision of this Agreement shall be deemed to be a waiver of any subsequent breach.(C) You may not assign or transfer this Agreement, or any of its rights or obligations, without the prior written consent of GET ME IN!, which we can refuse in our absolute discretion.(D) Nothing in this Agreement is intended to confer benefits, rights or remedies unto any person or entity other than the parties hereto and their successors and permitted assigns.(E) The subject heading at the beginning of each paragraph of this Agreement is for reference purposes only and in no way defines, limits, construes or describes the scope or extent of such paragraph.(F) Any notices required or permitted to be given under this Agreement shall be in writing and sent by registered post addressed (i) if to GET ME IN!, to the registered office set out above and (ii) if to you to the Billing Address set out in your Selling Member profile.(G) This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the law of England and Wales and both parties agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English Courts.
Hi I have sent you through the seller terms...................plus some FAQ answers:-
Can I remove my tickets if I sell them elsewhere? As long as the tickets haven't already sold, you can remove your listing at any time.
-Log into your GET ME IN! Account and click on My Listing-Choose Show Details next to the listing you want to edit or remove-Scroll down to find the Listings Live and and make sure it's un-ticked-Hit Update and your tickets will now be offline
If you do not receive a confirmation of de-listing email after this then please contact us immediately using the Contact Ustab above as the tickets may still be live on the website.
If you've already had a sale, unfortunately you can't remove them from the website.
Can I cancel this sale? Unfortunately we can't cancel any sale after the tickets have been purchased, because once a sale is made against a listing, you have entered into a contract to supply those tickets. Just as we protect you by not allowing the buyer to cancel, in turn we have to protect the buyer by making sure they get what they pay for.
I can no longer supply the tickets I have sold and the event is more than 7 days away?
If you can't supply tickets that you have sold and the event is more than 7 days away, please let our seller support team at *****@******.*** and we'll be happy to help. Please be sure to include your name and the specific order reference number that you can't supply.
How long after they had been sold were the second set sold?
Sorry, I had one pair of tickets that I listed on both sites, unfortunately they were sold on Viagogo on Saturday 23rd August, but before I could take my tickets of "getmein! (AKA Ticketmaster), they also sold the tickets.................tried to cancel both sales but neither organisation would let me - both threatened me with the charges as outlined in their terms.
What I have since done is sold the tickets via Viagogo, but now have to source alternative tickets to fulfil the Getmein order.............this will inevitably cost me!! What would you advise??
Yes but when did Getmein sell the tickets?
Hi, I sold through Viagogo on 22nd August, and via GetMeIn on 24th August.
Its bad news I am afraid.
Clause 2.3 says you must be reachable.
Therefore if you had sold the tickets with the one site then you could have removed the listing from the second.
You did not and in effect you gave authority to sell a second pair of tickets which you did not have.
This created a contract between the site and the buyer of those tickets.
Sadly you have to fulfill that order otherwise it would be breach of contract.
This means that the site or the buyer of the tickets could sue you for breach.
I am sorry but sadly you should have either only listed on one site at a time or in the alternative made yourself available to remove them when they had sold
I have examined the terms and these are your responsibilities.
I am sorry if this is not the answer you are looking for and certainly not the one I want to give you, but I have a duty to be honest
Can I clarify anything for you about this today please?
No, it is as I expected...............


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Joshua Davis Acoustic Version of 'MSU Shadows' (Download MP3)
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Finalist from The Voice, Joshua Davis, a Michigan State alumnus, arranged and recorded his own acoustic version of the MSU alma mater 'MSU Shadows'. Davis was a contestant on "The Voice" earlier this year and finished as the third runner-up.
Download the song mp3 for FREE and watch the music video below.
MSU Shadows was officially adopted as the alma mater for Michigan State on April 21, 1949. Shadows was chosen by student vote after a long effort to identify and obtain a distinctive melody for the university.
The music is taken from the Italian opera "Lucia di Lammermoor." The lyrics were penned by Bernard "Barney" Traynor, an assistant football coach on staff from 1925–27.


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Oil Falls With Broader Markets As Debt Woes Weigh
Oil futures declined Monday, as worries about U.S. and European debt battered markets across the board.
Light, sweet crude for January delivery settled down 75 cents, or 0.8%, to $96.92 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Brent crude on the ICE futures exchange recently settled down 68 cents, or 0.6%, to $106.88 a barrel.
Crude futures followed broader markets lower after news that the Congressional supercommittee charged with reducing the U.S. deficit had reached a stalemate. Lawmakers met one last time Monday in order to seek a last-minute deal, but markets had already braced for their failure.
The Standard & Poor's 500 index--a barometer that has dictated the movement in crude futures for several months--was recently down 2%, at 1191.7.
"In the whole marketplace ... it just seems like there's not a lot of strength," said Tony Rosado, broker with GA Global Markets, an oil options brokerage, in New York. "Our equities are down considerably--we're following that and we're following what the overseas markets are doing."
Crude futures also took cues from the strengthening dollar. The ICE Dollar Index, which tracks the greenback against a basket of currencies, was recently up 0.3%, to 78.236, gaining against the euro as worries persisted over Europe's debt crisis.
The election of a fiscally conservative government in Spain failed to calm European markets, as Spanish borrowing costs marched close to their highest levels since the onset of Europe's sovereign-debt crisis.
"There's a big repatriation into the dollar," said Phil Flynn, energy analyst at brokerage PFG Best in Chicago. "The big elephant in the room continues to be Europe."
A stronger dollar typically weighs on oil prices by making the dollar-denominated commodity more expensive for holders of foreign currencies
Crude prices have declined sharply in recent sessions following last Wednesday's run to $100 a barrel, the first time the Nymex benchmark had hit that level in five months. The U.S. marker was lifted by news of reversal of the Seaway pipeline, a line that currently ships oil from the Houston area to Cushing, Okla., the Nymex delivery point.
Traders expect the reversal will ease the glut of oil at Cushing, bringing the price of Nymex crude back in line with benchmarks like Europe's Brent contract. That contract has been above $100 a barrel for most of this year.
However, the reversal still remains months away and, in the meantime, market participants have had doubts about the economy's ability to withstand triple-digit oil prices.
Front-month December reformulated gasoline blendstock, or RBOB, settled up 0.66 cent, or 0.3%, to $2.4850 a gallon. December heating oil settled down 4.05 cents, or 1.3%, to $2.9920 a gallon.
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Online reservations at Cucina Palm Beach can only be made directly on their website.
Great service and excellent food. They made me into a fan.
Great food. Great service. Great atmosphere. Great overall dining experience. Highly recommended.
First time we've been there where the food was awful service was great there was a big party in the back of the restaurant and all of the attention was for them. We were the only people there on a Monday night it was empty service should've been good like it always is very disappointed we were with friends who had never been there before and they will not go back
Food was delicious. The waiter wasn't very attentive.
I was worried as my companion had a bad lunch experience here. However we went anyways and we were very glad we did. Food, ambience and service were all fantastic . As it was a Friday night, they start putting away the tables around 10 ish, the DJ arrives and Cucina is transformed into a really fun bar. We didn't know this as we were visiting from out of town. We stayed well beyond the dinner hour and had a great time.
Easter Dinner with the Grandparents
Great food
Nice place
Really enjoyed it
Recommend it
Have been coming to Cucina for 10 years and food is still wonderful and they're still bringing the fun.
Off the beaten path, but a must...Great, healthy italian food!
Excellent service, breakfast dishes were delicious and served nice and hot, and at the same time. Will definitely return to try their dinner menu!