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For one thing ... gnu/nix is all about choices, software freedom etc etc etc. Your operating system, your way. So started in the kiddie pool w the more popular gui heavy newb distro's, some I liked ( linux mint, pclinuxos ... by way of examples.) Some didn't ( begins w a U and ends w a u ... hint* ) Went on a minimalist distro-hopping rampage, a couple dozen. Tons of great distro's out there, then onto #! ( crunchbang) which is linuxy goodness and a kickbutt nix community to boot. But still wasn't my OS, my way. Having learned a thing or 3 after googling till fingers bled and countless hrs of screwing w this pc, switched to minimal Debian netinstall. Which is linuxy awesomeness imo and ruined the idea I'd ever use a pre-rolled distro again. Debian squeeze was much closer to my OS, my way, than anything I'd seen up till then. BUT Debian stable, while doesn't get any more stable, tends to be OLD, OLD, OLD !!!! Arghhhhh !
While there's plenty of options for installing the latest to Debian and learned many of em. Still seemed like a great next step and something I'd wanted to try anyway ... Da dreaded "Arch" ... and the famed AUR. Was nowhere near as tough installing and setting up as people on google had me believing. So far finding this distro to be kickbutt nix. What you want, how you want. Super great on sys resources ( if you prefer and I do). Recent software in the repo's or at your fingertips, w/o having to trackdown .deb's ... compile this/that, or switch repo's over to unstable or testing and get into friggin apt-pinning and preferences.
Right now Debian and Arch are neck in neck for me. Really like ... will keep on using em both. Arch has a few more pro's for me, THANKS to the devs and maintainers for such a kickbutt nix distro ! Sighs ... this became the getty's burg address ... sorry folks. But ya asked (OP), you asked for it. Shrugs.
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You only use Arch, because so many people over at the #! forums talk about it all the day :-P
I had no choice. I'm a geek ... could not help it.
LMAO Awebb ...
Debian stable is awesome stuff me thinks, but gets oldddd, well is olddddd by design. Fashionably old, plus Arch is supposed to be this uber difficult to grok distro. Was time for a challenge, what geek ( or in my case dork) could resist !?!? Only whatcha want, easy access to latest packages !?!??! Awebb might've mentioned Arch is good stuff a few times here n there too. Had to see what all the hubbub was really all about for meself.
Hi ... my name is Arch_in and I'm errrrr. Oops ... wrong forum, sorry folks.
I don't remember where I heard about Arch but since I try Pacman I can't just change. ^^
I want to learn about Linux and arch is the best way to understand what I'm doing.
Stuff just works for ME now... So i guess that's a reason if not for the fact that:(no particular order of importance to me)
1: I wanted something setup to my standards to work exactly the way i wanted it to leaving no one else to blame but myself and my lack of understanding if something doesn't.
2: I wanted the features included in the newest versions of packages i use the most.
3: I Like updating only the things i want updated and when without any annoying notifications
4: I love the Package management system now that i grasp pacman and makepkg!!!!
5: got tired of distro-hopping to get the features a and functionality that i wanted
6: I'm a megalomaniac and Arch gives me a way to express that positively.... well maybe...
7: The challenge, the learning experience and the fact that the "Arch way" just makes sense to me.
8: Getting real performance was what i wanted too.(of course that's a subjective statement depending on the setup...)
9: The Wiki's are very well written, detailed and clear!!!!!!!
10: The community is awesome and little to no B$ on the forums. Just solutions, good advice and suggestions.
11: I wanted to be free from dual booting wintendos... now i have something more fun to tweak and customize than playing occasional video games...
There's more but that was a few of my reasons for switching...
"You are like people in a dark room waiting for someone to turn the light on for you instead of groping around in the dark and turning it on for yourself." -J. Krishnamurti at age 19, to his students-
Because Ubuntu 10.10+ is complete garbage. Though they do have good points, they use Gnome3 or Unity which both make me puke. Their completely bloated and Ubuntu had a lag, and i had Arch running for about a week straight and it was perfectly fine. Arch+FluxBox is an amazing zippy combination, and i love it <3 Ubuntu with FluxBox would still be a bit laggy (Though not as much as with Gnome).
*Real Life Poke-Battle*
Punk Kid: "LINUX MINT! I CHOOSE YOU!!!"
(My Gengar was about to die, and i wasnt about to lose a poke-battle to some kid!!!)
Me: "..... Arch Linux? I CHOOSE YOU!!!"
Me: "Do your PACMAN ATTACK!!!!"
Linux Mint Died.
I have not left Arch since then <3
I hate systemd. <3 initscripts <3
Honestly, too lazy for Gentoo again and ebuild pains and various other crap, even on this newer hardware I've owned the past few years.
I use pbget + makeworld to simulate Gentoo updates/upgrades to make up for it though, and of course to give myself a "placebo effect" for that mad optimization and speed.
A few reasons from me:
1) Performance, I attempt to get the lightest setup up without comprising functionality. Even though I have plenty of memory and processing power I still like have 200MB for the OS and that then leaves me with 8GB, ALL MINE!
2) Challenge, If I wanted a system that worked for me out of the box I would use Windows. Ubuntu, Mint etc are far too close to it these days.
3) Educate! How better to learn about Operating Systems than semi-build one?
1) ArchWiki
2) Rolling release
3) The challenge of try to control and adapt to your needs something complex
4) ArchWay
Laptop: Acer Aspire S3 | Linux Mint Cinnamon 64-bit
1) Worked with linux at work for a couple of months so got excited and decided to take Arch as my first linux distro for home use and after a month of use i am still happy.
2) A minimal system with only the software that i use, i hate pre installed software.
3) Archwiki
4) This forum, because it solved all my problems when i was to lazy/stupid to read the wiki xD
5) The logo, its better than the Debian logo
6) etc.. et.c..
1. The Arch Way
2. During and after installation the wiki made me decide to stay with Arch.
3. Logo, and the stickers i got in the mail
* Bleeding edge repo
* It's similarities with BSDs and their philosophies (which I also like a lot)
* The documentation!!
* Because it's flexible: The downside is I have to configure my system. The upside is I <b>can</b> configure my system. And the way I like it.
* The logo and website are goodlooking. One tries not to judge a book by it's cover, but it's simple human instinct.
I like to think of arch as a "build you own system the way you like it, configure it as you like, but don't bother doing all the heavy work, building, maintaining packages, patches, etc".
Rolling release also has it's pluses. You never need to perform a clean reinstall. ever
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caffeine-ng: Temporarily disable screensaver/sleeping with a simple click.
A few reasons from me:
1) Performance, I attempt to get the lightest setup up without comprising functionality. Even though I have plenty of memory and processing power I still like have 200MB for the OS and that then leaves me with 8GB, ALL MINE!
2) Challenge, If I wanted a system that worked for me out of the box I would use Windows. Ubuntu, Mint etc are far too close to it these days.
3) Educate! How better to learn about Operating Systems than semi-build one?
I switched to Arch when I got frustrated with Fedora for not providing the latest musescore package. I decided I needed to switch to a rolling release system so I wouldn't be tied down to old software.
The reason I stuck with Arch so far? Pacman Pacman Pacman!
1) Archwiki, unbelievable resource
2) Arch forum, ditto
3) Pacman
Sums it up really, there is nothing out there to compare
I tried it because I was bored with everything working on Linux Mint, and because I saw an article on Lifehacker about how, among other things, you could learn more about Linux using Arch.
Today, things pretty much "just work" (except for my Nvidia card with Optimus, which makes me use Windows for CUDA), but I keep using Arch because the other distros are either too easy (Ubuntu) or way too complicated (LFS). I tried Gentoo and today I can install it in a few hours, but I just do not have the time or patience to wait forever for a web browser to compile. So I stay with Arch but somehow I feel that the perfect OS is still out there. I just haven't found it.
I have moved down the rabbit hole gradually, I started with Ubuntu as I was attracted to the customization options of GNU/Linux. Although after about 6 months I became frustrated that I couldn't really change anything (at that time I didn't know how). So I moved on to Debian Squeeze and things were a little better, but after getting frustrated again I decided to give Arch a try - I've had it up and running now for almost a week and things are going great.
I like being forced to do things myself, I've have had less problems (to date) with Arch than other distros because I have HAD to sit down and RTFM. The community is great, I have to say the Debian community can be (generally, there are some great members) very negative and seem to ride around on a very high horse.
I love pacman and rc.conf.The wiki is great and I am looking forward to being a productive member of the (already awesome) community
"No sympathy for the devil. If you buy the ticket, take the ride."
- Hunter S. Thompson
Now retired, I use computers for entertainment (Mythtv), futzing around (Facebook, Drudgereport, &c) and my hobbies including digital music, 3D graphics, some simulation and a few games, some engineering and design work all as a pastime. The latter can require some pretty heavy duty computation.
Long ago I worked with Ref Hat, SuSE at home. Then Ubuntu came along and offered the advantage of a large community and shelter from excessive maintenance. Now Ubuntu has been watering down performance and quietly deprecating some of its advanced features cramping my workstyle (e.g. playstyle).
I also use Windows, and my ears are still ringing from the Vista experience.
One of the fellows (LowSky) on Mythbuntu forums who was very helpful had switched to Archlinux so I checked it out. After nearly 50 years working with computers, I had happily weaned myself from the joys of the terminal, but Archlinux has restored that.
So here the reasons I'm switching to Archlinux… ‥ .
1⁘Fast and faster. (Significantly, I was surprised, it was not expected)
2⁘Everything works. (esp. compared to Ubuntu)
3⁘Command-line not repressive. (kinda feel young again!)
4⁘Serious community. (hooray for the non dilettantes)
5⁘Great documentation. (everything in just a few places, well thought out, leads to understanding not just cookbook steps)
6⁘Low maintenance to use ratio (who likes to use a pencil that requires sharpening after two words, or watching TV where you have to adjust the volume every 30 sec)
All in all, glad to be here...
Al Einstein: "Man soll die Dinge so einfach machen wie möglich ~ aber nicht einfacher." (Things should be as simple as possible ~ but not too simple.) ~ Al (Einstein) war ein Cousin von Albert, "Al" ist die Abkürzung für Alphonse
Because for me typing "pacman" is easier than typing "apt-get" and Arch is something which I can brag about.
Never argue with stupid people,They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.--Mark Twain
Back in early 2006, I got bored. And there was "wombat." Simple.
Mu Empire.
Back in early 2006, I got bored. And there was "wombat." Simple.
btw: is "wombat" the mascot for Arch ? in fact, does Arch bother with a mascot?
-i know, that's 2 questions.
The "BSD" things in life are "Free", and "Open", and so is "Arch"
I didn't chose Arch Linux, it chose me. Long ago I was captured in great darkness, just when the spirit of UNIX blessed me with great insight. I then learned about The way of the UNIX and became enlightened. Since then I have walked the path of it's many descendants, harvesting the purest seeds.
Because I was tired of running outdated packages.
Because I wanted to pick my own DE, and not some script infested alteration of <insert DE>
Because it's lean.
Because it's mean.
Because it brought me back to the basics of Linux.
Because its the only distro that satisfies all my requirements, which is
1. A kick ass name and logo. (I wonder how many potential users SUSE, Mandrake, Ubuntu and last but not least PClinuxOS looses over this issue)
2. Rolling release that doesn't break
3. Huge binary repository.
4. Bleeding edge.
5. Documentation (Wiki)
6. Community participation (Not as open as the linux kernel but still)
The only competition for me would be aptosid (If they had kept the name sidux they would actually satisfied requirement number 1, but aptosid!?!? hell no)
Besides, it doesn't satisfy requirement number 5 and 6 either.


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Making school relevant for students and the businesses that want to hire graduates is slowly becoming a reality in Arizona, say participants in a business and education conference.
One driving force is expanded career and technical education programs, known as CTE, that get students ready for work and college.
That idea emerged from "State of Our State," the Morrison Institute for Public Policy's annual conference Thursday in Phoenix. Several participants in the conference were interviewed for Friday's Arizona Week broadcast about the connection between business and education.
"The economic landscape has changed in the world, in the U.S., but in Arizona specifically as well," said Sapna Gupta, senior policy analyst for the Morrison Institute. "And CTE has evolved along with it."
Gupta researched CTE growth in support of the conference and found that CTE programs are improving school attendance and workplace preparedness.
CTE is the modern equivalent of the old vocational education, with "rigor, relevance and relationships" for students to gain skills to go to work or college, sometimes both, said Kate McDonald, principal of Metro Tech High School in Phoenix.
McDonald said her school offers all the core curriculum courses that all high school students need, and then offers 19 CTE tracks.
"Our programs range from things like cosmetology, culinary arts, automotive, to engineering, health careers, computer networking," she said. "When our students are juniors, they go into CTE programs in which they spend a little over two hours a day."
Such programs provide relevance that keeps students engaged. McDonald said the numbers are the proof in her school, where the graduation rate is 90 percent, dropout rate and discipline issues are low and attendance is high.
That is despite the school's student body statistics: 96 percent of the students are Latino, and 87 percent are on free-lunch programs. Low-income and minority students tend to have lower graduation rates and to perform more poorly in school.
"Our school speaks for itself, and I think that's one of the things I'm very pleased to be able to share, that we can be a model for what is possible, for the promise of education for our students and especially the population that we serve," McDonald said.
Reaching underserved populations with the message of educational importance as an economic factor is critical to success for individuals and for the state's economy, said Paul Luna, president and CEO of the Helios Education Foundation.
"It's understanding the economic impact that post-secondary education success--college success, if you will--will have on a student and a family," said Luna, himself a first-generation college graduate who came from a copper-mining family in eastern Arizona.
Helios has a $500 million endowment with which it provides scholarships and support to prepare students for college.

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Hugh L. Jackson, Jr.
Hugh L. Jackson Jr., died Sept. 25, 2012, in Amarillo. Graveside services will be Thursday at 11:00 a.m. at Westlawn Memorial Park with Rev. John Westman, pastor of St. Andrew United Methodist Church, officiating. Services are under the direction of Minton Chatwell Funeral Directors of Borger.Hugh was born March 19, 1924, in Bartlesville, Okla., to Esther and Hugh Jackson.He graduated from Phillips High School as president of the class of 1942 and a member of Who's Who. He served in the U. S. Navy during WWII and was trained and commissioned as a Naval Aviator. He graduated as an gngineer from Texas Tech University. During his time at Tech, he played on the conference championship football team.After graduation from college, he worked for Phillips for 35 years, during which time he managed the Borger Philblack Plant and the Philtex Plant and was also the operations manager at the fertilizer plant in Dumas.He served on a number of boards in the Borger area, including the Borger School Board and Frank Phillips College Board of Regents. He chaired the Dumas Rotary Club and the Pantex Federal Credit Union Board. He also served on the Hutchinson County Junior Livestock board and the Board of City Development as well as other civic organizations.His passions included racehorses and along with his father, his son and his brother won many races in several states on a number of racetracks.Hugh was preceded in death by his parents, his sister Kay Gipson, and his wife of 60 years Joan in 2011.His dedication was to his family, his wife Joan who preceded him in death, and those surviving him; his son Dick Jackson and wife Jackie of Purcell, Okla., his daughter Cindy Head and husband Jim of Borger, his brother Dick Jackson of Guymon, Okla., his grandchildren, Dan Jackson, Staci Campbell, Lance Head and Chase Head; and eight great-grandchildren.Donations may be made to St. Andrew United Methodist Church, 100 Amaryllis St., Borger, TX 79007.The family will be staying at 1505 Hector.To send condolences, sign the online guestbook at www.mintonchatwell.com.


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#5 Mark Wahlberg's Beverly Hills Mansion
Size: 11,500 square feet, including seven bedrooms and 10 bathrooms
Asking Price: $12.995 million
List date: July 18, 2012
Current Status: Still for sale
The Scoop: Wahlberg bought the home in 2001 for "only" $4.95 million and made some multi-million upgrades to the place, which now features a kitchen with commercial grade Viking-appliances and marble countertops, a media room with a fireplace, a two-bedroom, 2,500-square-foot guest house, and a resort-style pool area with cabanas and a waterfall. The estate includes a two-story gym complete with a regulation boxing ring and an outdoor basketball court that can also be used for tennis or racquetball. Though potential buyers should note that the deed to the house does not come with a guarantee you'll end up with Wahlberg's abs.
#4 Sheryl Crow's Hollywood Hills Estate
Size: 11-acre estate with a 4-bedroom, 3.5 bath main house, a 3-bedroom, 3-bedroom guest house, and a 2-bedroom, 2-bath bungalow
Asking Price: $15.95 million
List Date: October 1, 2012
Current Status: Still for sale
The Scoop: The Spanish Revival home was built in 1924 and has been remodeled to include lots of modern-day amenities like a kitchen chock full of high-end appliances, a library with built-in bookshelves, a wine cellar, and plenty of outdoor luxuries, too, including some close-to-nature spots where Crow must have penned a few tunes. There's the infinity pool with attached hot tub and deck, a footbridge over the property, a cactus garden, and a tropical-style palapa complete with hammock for gazing out into the L.A. skyline, and an outdoor fireplace. As for the guest houses, which share the 11-acre lot, the 1909 Craftsman contains three bedrooms and three bathrooms, while the 1885 "cottage" has two bedrooms and features white oak floors and the always-cool-sounding claw foot tub. According to Zillow.com, the "Perfect Lie" singer and her kids have already completed their move to Tennessee.
#3 Madonna's Manhattan Apartment
Size: 6,000 square feet, 6-bedroom, 8-bathroom duplex
Asking Price: $23.5 million
List Date: November 20, 2012
Current Status: Still for sale
The Scoop: Though Madge purchased a single unit back in the mid 1980s, over the years she's bought two more neighboring apartments in the building, combining them into what is now a 6-bedroom, 8-bathroom duplex, which takes up the 5th and 6th floors of West 64th Street's prestigious Harperley Hall. A peek at the listing shows the apartment offers luxuries most Manhattanites have to forgo, like great rooms on both floors with French doors leading to outdoor "Juliet" balconies, five wood-burning fireplaces, central air conditioning (not always a given in NYC apartments), bedrooms with their own wings, and yes, those priceless park views. The apartment was featured in a 1991 issue of Architectural Digest, and according to the article, it included a sound-proofed private gym so that neighbors couldn't hear the stereo system. Unfortunately, the plan didn't quite work. According to the New York Post, the 54-year-old was sued in 2009 by an upstairs neighbor, who claimed that Madonna played her tunes so loudly that the walls shook for up to three hours a day. The building's board reportedly threatened to evict the "Vogue" songstress and she settled the lawsuit in 2011. After that she moved out of the building and into an even bigger apartment across town on the Upper East Side, this one a 12,000-square-foot 13-bedroom, 14-bathroom triple-wide townhouse with nine fireplaces (because five just isn't enough), for which she paid a reported $40 million.
#2 Adrienne Maloof and Paul Nassif's French Chateau in the Gated Los Angeles Enclave of Beverly Glen
Size: 20,000 square feet including eight bedrooms and 11 baths
Asking Price: $26 million
List Date: September 20, 2012
Current Status: Sold on October 19 for $19.5 million
The Scoop: After entering into a messy divorce, "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" star Maloof and her plastic surgeon husband Nassif looked to liquefy one of their biggest assets when they put this mega-mansion on the market. And what a mansion it is. The listing agency's website states that the French Chateau-style house, designed by architect Richard Landry, is set on two acres and includes luxurious features like a tennis court, media room, wine cellar, swimming pool, and both a pool house and a guest house. According to Zillow.com, the couple purchased the home (which was built in 2000 and has been featured prominently in the reality show) for just under $13 million in 2004, which means they made a tidy little profit on the sale … more to pay the lawyers with!
[Related: Which Celeb Split of 2012 Surprised You the Most? Vote Now!]
#1 Ryan Seacrest's Beverly Hills Mansion, Purchased From Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi
Size: 2.87 acres, 15,000 square feet, 9 bedroom, 11 baths
List Price: $45 million
List Date: October 3, 2011
Purchase Price: $37 million
Purchase Date: May 16, 2012
The Scoop: Was the home with a celebrity pedigree worth every penny? Well, the property includes a main house, two guest cottages, and an additional 3-bedroom house. DeGeneres and de Rossi purchased the furnished property from "Will & Grace" co-creator Max Mutcnick and later bought two neighboring properties and expanded the home with the help of interior designer Melinda Ritz. The house includes a media room (where the couple was married), a giant pool, meditation room, and pond. Best of all, it was also was once home to Joan Collins.
Honorable Mention: Reese Witherspoon's Ojai Ranch
Size: 7 acres, 4 bedroom, 3-bath main house, three guest cottages, and carriage house
Asking Price: $10 million
List date: October 15, 2012
Current Status: Price dropped to $8.9 million on November 15. Still for sale
The Scoop: Though there were bigger and more expensive celeb homes that hit the market in 2012, Witherspoon's Ojai property, makes the list since it's made plenty of headlines over the last year or so. It was the site of Witherspoon's star-studded wedding and was featured in Elle Decor's August 2012 issue. Over the summer it also became a temporary retreat for her friend and "Like Water for Elephants" co-star Robert Pattinson during the media frenzy that ensued after his girlfriend Kristen Stewart admitted to cheating on him. Acclaimed architect Neff designed the ranch's main house, which has four bedrooms and three and a half baths, in 1923 for glassware magnate Edward Drummond Libbey. In addition to the main house, the estate, which sits on nearly seven acres, also includes a swimming pool, barn, and horse paddock as well as multiple guest cottages, which contain an additional five bedrooms. Witherspoon and her family also share the ranch with donkeys, pigs, goats, chickens, and four dogs. No word on whether they come with the house or not.


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A Cape Coral man remained hospitalized Tuesday after he apparently shot his wife and himself.
Michael G. Young, 49, is no longer in critical condition at Lee Memorial Hospital, where he was taken after Saturday's incident. According to officials, he has been moved to a regular room at the facility.
At about 11:18 p.m., Cape police responded to reports of multiple shots fired at 2918 S.W. First Place. Approximately two minutes later, a second caller contacted authorities and reported shots fired.
Officers were advised that one person was shot and another person possibly shot themself.
Police arrived on scene and discovered Sally A. Young, 49, dead from multiple gunshot wounds.
According to a report, she was shot outside of her residence and the weapon was a shotgun.
Young was transported from the scene in critical condition with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Officials reported that the couple's 9-year-old son, who was present, was unharmed.
As of Tuesday, the boy was in the care of family members.
"The investigation is ongoing, and criminal charges against Michael G. Young are pending," Sgt. Dana Coston, spokesman for the Cape police, reported in a prepared statement released Monday.


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I didn't know what to do today, so I baked you a cake!
I have been skiing five days a week now for a while, so not much time to browse TFL. My baking thoughts have turned from bread to sweets. this is a three layer orange chiffon cake from ITJB, filled with apricot jam and chocolate butter cream and iced with the same chocolate. The chocolate didn't adhere to the orange slices, so I painted around them. YUMM!
Other recent bakes were my send off on Floyd's blueberry cream cheese bread in the most bookmarked section. Here is my bumbleberry cream cheese bread. This was a yeasted bread with about three times the fruit Floyd rec's in his formula.
Well we cannot forget the walnut filled Hungarian rolls from ITJB -- easily one of the best things my oven has ever produced!
Happy baking folks! Brian


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Final Fantasy VII Compilation Wallpaper Released
Want Final Fantasy VII on your iPhone? Of course you do. You can't have it, but how about the next best thing? Final Fantasy VII wallpapers! A whole bunch of them are available in an app that's just been released for the questionable price of $3.99.
The app, similar to the Final Fantasy XIII Photo Gallery released last year, contains a bundle of wallpapers built to fit your iPhone or iPod Touch. The subject matter covered goes well beyond the original 1997 PlayStation RPG. It spans the whole Final Fantasy VII universe, including Final Fantasy VII Advent Children, Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII, Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII, and more.
If you actually want to play Final Fantasy VII on your iPhone, then you'll just have to hope and wait. In the meantime, you can plaster your phone with disturbingly realistic pictures of Cloud and company.


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Bravo for hunters!
I enjoyed Suzannah Evans' foxhunting article very much ["Hounded: What's so wrong with foxhunting?" November 14, 2002] (http://www.readthehook.com/92725/cover-story-hounded-whats-so-wrong-fox-...).
It is actually one of the best articles on the subject I've read. Evans presented both sides of the story without emotion or an attempt to interject her personal opinion. That's what journalists used to do; sadly, it is so rare nowadays that when seen it must be especially acknowledged. Thank you for a sound article.
Thank God the foxhunters are invested in preserving rural lifestyles and open spaces in which to enjoy them. The rest of us, by insisting on new homes in new subdivisions, with new shopping malls, power plants, and roads, are directly responsible for killing thousands upon thousands of animals and birds each year as undeveloped land is destroyed to build these things. Yet we think nothing of that.
Thank you, hunters of all sorts, who do something about it.
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Harrisburg, Pennsylvania


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FORS4800 - Forensics In Research and Prac
Fall 2012
This course constitutes the three-credit requirement for the Forensics Minor Program. Students have the option of fulfilling the requirements for this course by completing either a: (1) internship/ practicum experience; or, (2) research seminar relating to their area of forensics interest.
Prerequisites: POLS2020, PHIL2000, and one from ACCT2070, CHEM2100/CHEM2150, ENGR4801, INFS2140, or PSYC3840
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Waterloo Police have arrested a 16 year old suspect in relation to a Christmas Eve shooting.
Maliek Coven Todd of Waterloo was arrested at 4:00PM December 25th and charged with Intimidation with a Dangerous Weapon. This arrest is in regard to the shooting which occured around 1:30AM the morning of December 25th at 120 Sumner St. in which 17 year old Antonio Gantt was injured.
The case remains under investigation
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In 2005 there were seven fatal accidents in Grand Junction, this year, in eight days, there were five fatal accidents in the city. The summer months are among the most dangerous for motorists. And the five recent fatal accidents are proof.
On Monday, the 24th, 24–year–old Robert Mudge of Palisade was killed when his motorcycle slammed into the side of a pick–up truck. Then, just two days later, 19–year–old Anthony Cruz was killed when the car he was driving rolled over on North Avenue. The next day yet another deadly crash. 46–year–old Michael Nichols lost his life when his motorcycle collided with a car near Mesa Mall. Then on Sunday 22–year–old Grand Junction resident Nicholas Reynolds was killed when he swerved to miss a cow on I-70 and lost control of his car. Most recently, on Memorial Day, 41–year–old Diana Lee Moreno was killed when a stolen truck broadsided her at 7th Street and White Avenue.
According to Grand Junction City Transportation Engineer Jody Kliska, on average, the city sees about 1500 accidents a year. Divide that by 365 days and that's somewhere between four and five accidents a day, most of which just cause property damage. But Kliska says, "I went back 10 years and in 1996 we had 7 fatal accidents but then there were years we only had two, so it seems we're starting to creep back up."
And as that number creeps up so does the need for more blood. Brian White with St. Mary's Regional Blood Center says it's critical to have an adequate supply of blood throughout the year especially during the summer months when accidents are more prevalent. Brian says, "most of the patients that get into these accidents can't wait three days to get the blood, that's why we need an influx of donors every day, every month, every year." It takes about 45 minutes to donate blood and perhaps only seconds to get into an accident. But two things are for sure- a pint of blood and a seat belt could save a life.
St. Mary's Regional Blood Center is open Monday through Friday from 7 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. and Saturdays from 8 a.m. to noon. No appointment is necessary.


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An investigation is underway for a stabbing incident that left a Beaufort man seriously injured Wednesday night.
According to the Beaufort County Sheriff's , just after 10 p.m., deputies responded to a reported stabbing victim in the area of Joe Frazier Rd and Godwin Rd. Upon arrival, deputies made contact with a 47-year-old male suffering from multiple stab wounds and lacerations to his upper body.
The victim was initially transported to Beaufort Memorial Hospital but later flown to MUSC where he remains for additional treatment of multiple injuries.
The victim says that he was walking home from a friend's house when he was attacked by two men who repeatedly punched and stabbed him with a knife. The victim identified one of the suspects as an acquaintance with which he'd had an ongoing dispute.
Investigators have identified two persons of interest in the attack, however, no arrests have been as of yet. Anyone with information is asked to contact Crimestoppers.


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I don't believe in god, heaven, hell, reincarnation, nirvana, paradise, or any sort of afterlife.
Am I wrong?
I don't believe in god, heaven, hell, reincarnation, nirvana, paradise, or any sort of afterlife.
Am I wrong?
I believe in an afterlife, God, Heaven and Hell. People believe different things. You have to respect everyone's right to believe or not to believe. Belief, or a lack of it, doesn't make a person more intelligent or superior to anyone else.
I believe that we are no better than any other living creature on this planet. Once we lie down for our dirt nap, in the immortal words of Porky Pig, "th-th-that's all folks!"
Fear of the unknown is what created heaven and hell as a way to calm our fragile egos. Shame that we haven't evolved much in the thousands of years of human existence.
Who dear? Me dear? Gay dear? No dear!
Not realy!!!!
I do believe in an afterlife. What exactly it is I would not presume to say, but the belief in it has pretty much been one of the only things to help me through some tough times. I'm not naive, I'm a resonably intelligent guy. I can totally understand that perhaps there isn't, but I choose to believe that there is. It helps me, and its not hurting anyone.
I have a complex system of beleifs. I don't beleive in an afterlife, because I beleive that life is perpetual and never actually ends. But I also don't beleive in god or any supreme being.
I don't believe that we all end up in Heaven or Hell - and I still haven't decided where my religious beliefs lie, or if in fact if I have any.
I have visited spiritualists and mediums and cannot rule out totally that there is not some form of spirit presence. Unless these people are complete mind readers, there is no way they would have known some of the stuff that they have told me. Too many obscure things have come up in my readings for example the answering of a question that I had previously only discussed with a close friend. Unless I am totally gullible there has to be something
I may never know........
I believe that there is a power greater than ourselves. You can call it "God" or whatever. I don't believe in the notion that "heaven" is a place filled with golden harps and winged angels. I also don't believe that "hell" is a place of "fire and brimstone". I think much of these ideas were "created" by man, out of the minds of men. As in nature, I believe human life may have many forms. If you look at a flower...it grows, blooms, dies and eventually re-blooms again. Do we? Who really knows for sure but a day will come when we will all find out. I believe there is something beyond this life that has nothing to do with the physical world. I've had too many things happen to me to think otherwise.
I believe in God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) and Heaven and Hell.
Yes, I believe in God and the continuation of real life on the other side
Pascal's Wager:
God is, or He is not. But to which side shall we incline? Reason can decide nothing here. There is an infinite chaos which separated us. A game is being played at the extremity of this infinite distance where heads or tails will turn up...Which will you choose then? Let us see. Since you must choose, let us see which interests you least. You have two things to lose, the true and the good; and two things to stake, your reason and your will, your knowledge and your happiness; and your nature has two things to shun, error and misery. Your reason is no more shocked in choosing one rather than the other, since you must of necessity choose. This is one point settled. But your happiness? Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is.
No, thank you. Too many conditions come with "He is." I'll take my chances that it is all myth, superstition, wishful thinking, and chicanery.
I believe in reincarnation. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, "been there done that" .
Fortune favors the BOLD, Go out and be true to yourself, and be BOLD. Carpe Penis.
I think of the afterlife as more of a 'recycling plant' than a final destination (mostly because I seem to be working off the karma of Atilla the Hun today). I do believe there's more to it than just this life, but I also believe we should treat it as if it's all we get and live each moment to the fullest. I don't believe in the standard "heaven" or "hell".
Interestingly, reincarnation was part of the Christian religion's teaching for the first 300 years. It was scrapped because Rome needed the fear of god/devil/hell to keep the plebs (and princes) under control.
I believe that this life is a learning process and something happens next, but I wouldn't attempt to speculate what. Then again... being reborn as a dung beetle, or rising to join the ranks of the Time Lords?
I believe in paradise
I think there may be something in the idea of some sort of rebirth.
I just don't know if I still beleive in the Heaven and Hell thing.
I know I believe in God and I believe in Karma
I don't believe in a typical literal "Heaven-like afterlife" in the clouds. That seems very unlikely. Some sort of "afterlife", sure. That doesn't mean life as a floating spirit either..and I'm not sure that it is "paradise" in any particular way we think of paradise now.
I'd like to see more about this...this is very interesting. Can you send us somewhere?
I believe in most of these things (not sure about Heaven and Hell though). I feel there are far too many supernatural things going on, for there not to be spirits that are within our bodies, and are released at death. I feel that the afterlife is more than three-dimensional, and it doesn't include physical mass as we know it.
"Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking." -The Scarecrow, WIZARD OF OZ, 1939
Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education, to under-performing schools: DROP DEAD.
Make, for a man, a fire - and he'll be warm for a few hours. Set a man afire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying. - Terry Pratchett
Right now this topic is hitting too close to home. I have been thinking about this very thing for the past week now and have not figured out where I stand on the subject.
Swishful thinking = the hope that God will be merciful to homosexuals despite the Bible's unequivocal condemnation of homosexuality
As far as other concepts of an afterlife are concerned, they, like all belief systems, originate in the human brain; if they make you feel good, have at 'em. Just don't be so naive as to expect others to invest in YOUR own private Nirvana.


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The big thing in notebooks right now are netbooks. They're cheap, more than powerful enough for day-to-day tasks, and small enough to actually carry around without anyone even noticing you're carrying one (not a bad thing in some parts of the world). However, they also receive a lot of criticism, such as cramped keyboards and displays that are too small. So, at Kaiwai's suggestion, here's a question for you all: how do you use your netbook?
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"Kelly Clarkson Scores With Super Bowl National Anthem"
"Kelly Clarkson Scores With Super Bowl National Anthem"
Kelly Clarkson Drives 'Stronger' to Hot 100 Summit
In what an RCA Records representative terms a "perfect storm" of radio airplay, digital sales and pop culture prominence, Kelly Clarkson's "Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)" rises from No. 2 to No. 1 on this week's Billboard Hot 100 songs chart. The uptempo pop anthem becomes the original "American Idol" champion's third leader on the list.
Clarkson first reigned with her "Idol" coronation song "A Moment Like This" for two weeks in 2002. She returned to the summit with "My Life Would Suck Without You" for two weeks beginning this week in 2009.
"Stronger" soars to the Hot 100's top spot with top Airplay Gainer honors, charging 33-15 on the Radio Songs chart (58 million audience impressions, up 49%, according to Nielsen BDS).
On the Digital Songs survey, "Stronger" spends a second week at No. 1. The song sold 237,000 downloads (up 6%) in the list's tracking week, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The sum marks Clarkson's second-best sales week, outpaced only by the debut frame of "My Life" (280,000).
Aiding Clarkson and her new leader's profile, the singer performed the national anthem before Sunday's Super Bowl (Feb. 6) in Indianapolis. With 111.3 million viewers on NBC, the NFL championship game became the most-watched event in TV history, according to Nielsen.
"Stronger" also serves as the soundtrack to Toyota's current TV spot for its Camry model, in which Clarkson, from the driver's seat, leads a sing-along of the song with the seemingly unlikely trio of ESPN's Chris Berman, Bravo's James Lipton and the Travel Channel's Andrew Zimmern.
As Clarkson motors to the Hot 100's top spot, Adele's "Set Fire to the Rain" descends to No. 2 after two weeks at No. 1. The song pushes 4-2 on Radio Songs (127 million, up 8%) and holds at No. 2 on Digital Songs (after leading the tally three weeks ago) with 165,000 downloads sold (down 1%).
At least she is taking advantage of the HUGE stepping board AI offered her...
I'm disappointed in Clay -- He was REALLY REALLY good -- but kind of gave up after coming out...
I CANNOT BELIEVE that "what's his name" from Birmingham actually WON that season...
Oh well -- AI is more about RATINGS than actually FINDING a SUPER STAR...
That ALSO disappoints me...
"Theres death on the horizon,
and Ill run to behold your sacrifice..."
I don't see why people even bother going on AI anymore. After 11 seasons, only 3 or 4 of them have actually had major success, and most weren't even the winners.
And Kelly is the only one who actually shed her "AI" stigma and became anything actually close to being an idol. Well, her and Carrie Underwood.
You won't ever hear him on the radio but that is a tragedy because voices like his should be appreciated.
He curls my toes.
Kelly Clarkson has come a long way since her AI days..and she's still one of my favorites.
So, this weekend I am going to see Kelly Clarkson in concert for the first time ever!
I am super excited and cannot wait, especially because it will be my birthday. I idolize the woman and get weak in the knees at the thought of possibly meeting her after the show. Anyone else a Kelly fan and been to one of her shows?
Went to see her a few months back on this tour....it was FANTASTIC! I've seen her twice before and this was def. her best! She's not only an amazing singer/performer but she's just so damn adorable and funny too! haha
I am a huge Kelly fan but have never seen her live. Have fun.
I've been once. I wanted to go this time around, but sold out . She is awesome and real.
I am using JUB to give a birthday shout out to one of my favorite musical artist of all time, Kelly Clarkson!
Kelly Clarkson turns the big 30 today!!
Kelly, I was never a fan of you for most of your run on Idol. But all of a sudden you came out of nowhere and just starting owning the entire competition when there were just a few contestants left.
Since then, you've been the best thing to ever come off of Idol. You're still ranked as the #1 Idol by Billboard, and while Carrie Underwood may rival your CD sales in the US, she doesn't get as much radio dominance, single sales, and worldwide success as you. You are the only Idol to score #1 singles in both UK and Australia.
And Kelly, I just love your voice. You need no studio tricks. You have one of the best voices EVER in pop music. And I've personally related to so many of your song lyrics. Your songs have helped me get through some of the tough times.
I wish you all the success in the world. May you have another 30 years of awesome music, happiness, and love.
Now I'll put down my favorite songs by you!
#5. Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)
#4. Because of You
#3. You Love Me (love the lyrics)
#2. Already Gone (to all you bitches saying this song is a rip off, it was written and produced before Halo by Beyonce)
#1. Hear Me (was never a single but is my all time favorite song by you)
Once again happy birthday Kelly! I wish you success in your TV show Duets! Please keep making more music. Your voice is divine.
Can you believe all this time has gone and she's 30 already?God I feel so old!Glad she is continuing to
put out some great music...she had been in a bit of a lull buzzwise the past couple of years before "Stronger"
got her back on top.Saw her National Anthem performance at trhe Super Bowl and it was one of the best.
She still seems to be the genuine,amazingly talented woman who won the first American Idol ten years ago....
happy birthday Kelly and much continued success!!!
Happy belated B-Day Miss Clarkson.
Eternal youth and endless life. I'll sacrifice everything and everyone to obtain it
Kelly Clarkson - Dark Side
man...I love Kelly...but the two people she picked for her team on Duets...were not the best. The guy has chops but "Breaking Your Own Heart" was not the right choice for the two of them. The girl sounded alright on "Stronger" but as the other superstars were saying that their voices were blending so much they couldn't tell who was singing, well yes they were blending and then Kelly just out sang the girl
From her upcoming greatest hits CD this November! This is one of the new songs she recorded for the greatest hits CD, but it will be released as a single.
Thought I'd share
Love it
God she's had some good songs, my favorites would i guess be:
- Since you've been gone (obviously)
- My life would suck without you
- Low
- Breakaway
Well actually never mind because that list will just keep going....
Randy Blue is win.
Kelly Clarkson - Catch My Breath (Audio)
PRE-ORDER "GREATEST HITS -- CHAPTER 1" NOW: http://smarturl.it/GHChapter1?iqid=vp
Actually really like this. o.O
Not a massive Clarkson fan but the beat is sexy and the vocals are perfect.
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Eternal youth and endless life. I'll sacrifice everything and everyone to obtain it
I was not here for much of anything from her past album "Stronger" meant nothing to me. I L-O-V-E this track though.
It has some borderline progressive house synths in the versse. I'm always here for that. It creates such an uplifting vibe.
I heard the first two lines and cut it off. The cheesy lyrics... bothered me.
Love Kelly... not this song though.
"Theres death on the horizon,
and Ill run to behold your sacrifice..."
I hope her greatest hits has all her top 10's except "A Moment Like This", since that song is so Idol and not Kelly... So her her 9 top 10 hits and 3 new tracks plus a few non-released singles would be great.
You Love Me, Impossible, Hear Me, Addicted, Chivas were all not released but are awesome IMO.
Here's the album cover for her Greatest Hits album
Track Listing
1. Since U Been Gone
2. My Life Would Suck Without You
3. Miss Independent
4. Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You)
5. Behind These Hazel Eyes
6. Because Of You
7. Never Again
8. Already Gone
9. Mr. Know It All
10. Breakaway
11. Don't You Wanna Stay (with Jason Aldean)
12. Walk Away
13. Catch My Breath
14. People Like Us
15. Don't Rush (featuring Vince Gill)
16. A Moment Like This
17. I'll Be Home For Christmas
And here's the lyric video for Catch My Breath!
It's climbed to #5 on itunes so far!
Official video:
She's gone back to her Breakaway era look & sound. Love it!
Just read that with the release of the Greatest Hits Chapter 1, she'll also be releasing the Smoakstack Sessions Vol. 2 which has me VERY excited!
Her voice just gets better and better!!
That's my Idol!
Big Kelly fan here. I saw her live last January and she was absolutely phenomenal. Unfortunately, she's left me feeling pretty meh lately. I mean, "Stronger" is arguably the most generic song I've ever heard, but then she went and topped it with "Catch My Breath" which sounds like one of those awful American Idol coronation songs, like "No Boundaries" or "This Is My Now".
I hope Kelly regains her spark soon!
get ready for greatness!
Jewel is releasing a Greatest Hits album and is featuring 2 new recordings of classic Jewel tracks. 1 being "You Were Meant For Me" feat. Pistol Annies and the other "Foolish Games" featuring the one and only Kelly Clarkson!
Take a listen to the track over at Muumuse!
^Awesome update. Also in other Kelly news she's working on her next studio album. She's been saying it will have more positive, happy songs as opposed to some of her recent releases.
lol, honey, way to quote a November post to reply in January! Almost all of Kelly's songs peak really high on itunes initially. Catch My Breath is doing just fine. It peaked at #4 though I believe
#15 on itunes right now, and #24 on the Hot 100~
Amazing how songs that play to an artist's strength and do justice to them have sustained performance. I don't know about your body, but this song definitely makes mine move.
Kelly Clarkson has stated multiple times that she actually doesn't give a crap about being a star or having #1s. She just likes music and doesn't care about the fame that comes with it. Any song in the top 30 is actually pretty amazing.
As long as we're comparing stuff, it's very easy to find comparisons.
Since the real reason you are here is because you're still not over Your Body's failure as a single, I shall kindly remind you that the lead single of Christina Aguilera's last album peaked worse than Catch My Breath (which is still charting). The lead single of Christina's Bionic peaked at #23, but by your standards I guess that's not a hit too.
I would worry more about Christina's last 2 albums not going Platinum and the singles all performing poorly.
Don't hate, it makes you look so ugly.
Point being you are so pissed over a disagreement I had with about Christina's current material that you bring it into other topics like a sore loser. It's almost like, don't you have anything better to do than to creep into another topic, quote a post from November, and start shit about it now, when it's 2 months old?
Geez, get a life.
No what actually happened was you came to this thread and decided to quote something well over 2 months old to bring in a discussion from another topic. Don't track your shit in this house. Leave your shoes outside.
Lotus bombed, get over it and yourself. It's unhealthy to be so obsessed with anything's success (or lack of). Seriously. I'm not even trying to be rude when I say get a life. Move on. Enjoy Lotus yourself. Stop changing IPs to request Christina songs on the radio. If Christina has said that she doesn't care about success now, you as her fan shouldn't either. Let it go.
Congratulations to Kelly Clarkson on her third Grammy win this Sunday!!!
Kelly won the Best Pop Vocal Album Grammy for Stronger, beating out Florence & The Machine, Maroon 5, Pink, and fun.
What the hell was that hideous dress she was wearing when she went up to accept her award???
Still too skinny compared to the way she looked on the Grammy Awards.
for couple of gay men, you guys sure are intrigued by a woman's figure. Her curve, her weight, her figure.
how insiduous
Loved the acceptance speech
3x your size...wow. I didn't know there's an alive skeleton. But then thu nhu may, chet cang som cang tot.
I'm so sick of people talking about her weight...she's not that fucking big. She was 19 when she was on Idol...we've all packed on some lbs since we were 19...ridiculous.
LOL Kelly on Ellen's pic. Love it
I'm only picking up half of the weight conversation as I have a few people blocked on these forums and they could be posting? Idk?
But, Kelly's weight doesn't really affect her chart performance because she doesn't sell an image, she sells a voice. This is also why Adele does well. But there are other artists that are built on their overall image, and not just their voice, who take considerable backlash and their sales suffer when their image fails to deliver. This is why they constantly try to be risky, edgy, and re-invent themselves. Examples include Madonna, Lady GaGa, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Katy Perry, etc. Some fare better than others (Madonna's longevity is amazing) but others not so much (Christina's career to me is pretty much like a terminal cancer patient at this point).
As far as I'm concerned Kelly came off a singing competition and a decade later is still going strong. And her voice is like honey, it just gets better with age. She doesn't act promiscuous or sultry in her songs & videos because she doesn't need to. She and Adele are my favorite female vocalists right now
Grats to Adele on her win too! Honestly in that category I wanted either Adele or Kelly to win because of their respective vocal abilities.
Penayforray...why the hell are you posting in this thread? You obviously don't like Kelly Clarkson...stop wasting your time in a Kelly Clarkson thread.
you're a winner....and also the winner of my first blocking on JUB!


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well i guess it's safe to say I have done my last piece of work for the day.
Brace yourself F5, this could get rough
well i guess it's safe to say I have done my last piece of work for the day.
Brace yourself F5, this could get rough
6 to midnight
Keep your head up jethro, I got a good chuckle.
but everyone, including all the OSU sources, thinks it's only a matter of time.
24/7 is the only board saying Kalis and Dunn have eliminated OSU, but guys don't typically decommit from a school and then subsequently sign with that school (the only Michigan guys I can think of off the top of my head are James McKinney and Will Campbell).
Everyone's favorite food?
Summer of George
Believe it or not, George isn't at home, please leave a message at the beep. I must be out or Id pick up the phone. Where could I be? Believe it or not, Im not home.
dont know why embed isn't working :/
Besides us, where else is he looking? I'm afraid that the Kalis and Dunn decommits do not mean that we will easily pick them up... Usually when a kid is a life-long OSU fan, I wouldnt imagine that they would just commit to UofM (their most hated Rival) without giving other schools a look?
Eliott Mealer was a life-long OSU fan and he went blue. If he visits and feels like it's a good fit, I don't think childhood allegiances will be a problem.
Elliott Mealer and the Mealer family, but he's not a great example. He didn't really have any other elite (or even very good) offers besides Michigan. He had no OSU offer.
It's a little different than two 5 stars with plenty of options. In recent history, most Ohio kids with offers from both schools have not wound up at MICH, even if they didn't go to OSU.
But then again, Strobel was a 95% lock to go to OSU, so these times, they are a-changin'
Childhood alliances don't mean much. The recruiting process opens up kids eyes and blinds the bias. Michigan has lost out on several kids that grew up Michigan fans. Ex. Thomas, Zettel, Frost, Depriest. That was just 4*+ guys from last year. This happens all the time.
Michigan and Ohio State may be a different story though. In a hate filled rivalry, I'd imagine it to be more difficult to sway a recruit.
is the other name mentioned a lot for Dunn.
Kalis seems to be favoring Michigan at this point. He's visiting this weekend, and he's friends with Strobel and Wormley. Dunn, from what I know, has been linked to us and Penn St if he were to ever decomitt. We might not necessarily get both, but anywhere is better for them to go than OSU. If I had to guess right now, I'd say we get Kalis but not Dunn. This is just a guess though, I have no hard facts to back it up.
I'd rather have Kalis than Dunn. Dunn is a good big back, very good, but Kalis is one of the top OLs in the country and having him on our OL will make any RB look better than they are.
I agree -
We are obviously in a much better position with both than we were even just a couple weeks ago, so I too am pretty stoked at the possibilities. But if they don't commit soon we will probably lose out on both
I'm sure 'Bama, USC, Florida, and many others will be just as excited to get these 5-stars on campus for a visit. Both of these guys can wait to decide until February and a spot will be there for them no matter where they want to go. I just hope they want to get the drama over with and commit soon
thanks for the buzz-kill
Go Blue !
Because of The Game, the rivalry. If you weren't going to OSU, you wanted to go to the other place, and show them they were wrong. Also, it used to be kinda cool to be the rebel kid who went to Michigan and then came home and beat their asses. Not really that strange. The hate doesn't usually come till you play in the game for players. And even then, there's usually respect. (In that game, at least).
Dave Biddle (staff member at Bucknuts) also writes:
Hoke is negatively recruiting the hell out of OSU. He's telling these guys that OSU will get hit harder than USC and they "shouldn't fall for the same (stuff) Lane Kiffen sold all those SC recruits." The national media blitz hurt because it's making it very easy for Hoke (and Bielema and everyone else) to negatively recruit. And these are 17-year-old kids who of course are going to buy what they're being sold.
Anyone have any insight on this? TomVH?
And I don't mind it because it's true and they deserve it. They deserve everything they get.
Exactly. When I hear "negative recruiting," I think of coaches badmouthing each other and perpetuating rumors and innuendo, such as what happened several years ago when someone was telling recruits that Lloyd was very sick and wouldn't be coaching UM much longer - forcing Lloyd to actually hold a press conference to dispell the notion. Hoke isn't doing anything like that at all, he's just laying all of the facts out on the table.
and more!
Talk about "failing to promote an atmosphere of compliance!"
she DOES look fat in that, is it wrong if it's true?
Thank goodness.
Quit braggin' on your hot wife, Stephen!
It would be incompetent of Hoke not to be negatively recruiting tOSU right now. In this respect, we should note the difference between honest and dishonest negative recruiting. You can bet that Hoke is telling these kids a much more honest version of the situation than they are getting out of Columbus. We are in competition with tOSU, so of course we will negatively recruit them.
I don't think thats Hoke's style it sounds like a frightened Bucknut crying his eyes out. The same thing happened to our basketball program during all that uncertainty. How hard is it for a high school kid to sit there and say to himself (a) I have no idea who my coach will be (b) I have no idea if ANY of the coaches who are recruiting me will be there and (c) these guys are going to get hit with SOMETHING and we saw what USC got, do I really want to spend my first two years without a bowl. I don't think opposing coaches need to bring that up, its pretty logical.
All that said, even if someone on our staff had to be the one to bring that to these guys attentions, SCREW 'EM, its just desserts for the Buckeyes.
OSU mods were talking about Mattison negatively recruiting against OSU even before Tressel stepped down. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it's true (and if it is, I'm not convinced it's the abhorent "Lloyd Carr has medical issues" kind of negative recruiting).
It must be true.
I don't know if I would consider that negative recruiting. Even if Hoke is saying this, I think he is just laying it out on the table.
That being said I doubt Hoke is a negative recruiter type.
I'm willing to bet that these kids are smart enough and savvy enough in this internet age to know what is going on. It might be considered negative recruiting, but it is also the truth.
I love how Bucknut guys are acting all high and mighty about negative recruiting. I'm sure coaches all over used it when RR's job was in a question.
I absolutely agree that it's not considered negative recruiting. Negative recruiting does not mean simply talking badly about other schools. If Hoke and Mattison are simply telling recruits their honest opinions of the sanctions OSU is going to get (worse than USC, etc., which we mostly believe will happen on this board), then that's not negative recruiting. It's just telling the truth.
To me, negative recruiting is purposely spreading false or unverifiable rumors and information about opposing schools to gain the upper hand. There is a dishonesty and malicious intent in negative recruiting. This is very different than what we are doing, which is simply telling the kids the truth about what is likely to happen.
Doesn't seem like Hoke's style to me. After all, everyone knows what is going on at tosu. No need to negatively recruit. Stress what is good about Michigan, look forward, stress we are entering a new era and you can be part of it. These kids can read. So can their parents and friends. Sounds to me as if the buckeye faithful are trying to come up with an excuse to blame Michigan for troubles they created themselves.
There's no need to mention that other school at all.
Does he realize or care that he's using quotes without a source? Weak.
I'd like to know his source on this because I've seen this rumour before and I'm pretty sure it started with message board posters looking for an excuse as to why we`re making inroads on their top targets.
I don't know if it's true, but it IS probable. I mean, that IS what Kiffen did- He told all these recruits they would beat the wrap, even after the hammer was dropped. And that worked! On the hope that everything would be sresolved on appeal, Kiffen brought in a massive class, and these kids were shocked when USC's appeal was denied.
OSU is telling these kids the same thing now. And as with USC, it's easy for anyone outside the fanbase to see the writing on the wall. I don't know if it can even be counted as negative recruiting to point out to these kids that OSU is in fact in serious trouble, and any recryit who listens to the Buckeyes soothing platitudes (re: delusional prayers) is likely to get stuck in the same sort of sinking ship as those Trojans.
But the USC penalties did surprise many people because deep down most people figured USC would get away with it. Everyone assumed the NCAA would remain a paper tiger.
But now the atmosphere is much darker. Even most OSU fans agree the program is gonna take a pretty hard hit. And the media drumbeat is relentless. And everyone saw the USC penalties. Today's potential recruits have much more information and context. There's no way they could remain blissfully ignorant about OSU's problems. Thank god.
Plus, who wants to commit to a one-and-done coach?
Dave Biddle seems pretty well-connected to OSU recruiting but that sounds like the sour grapes of an OSU homer. Why would Hoke even bother to say that when so many people in the media are already saying it? Do the kids even know what Lane Kiffin told his USC recruits? I doubt it...Also, and not that this proves anything, Hoke has twice said good things about Tressel to the media when he could have taken a shot at him.
Turnabout is fair play. I'm sure they are judging Hoke on what Tressel did to Michigan the last few years. THE Ohio State University deserves every consequence they suffer from their cheating. I hope this is just the beginning of an exodus that makes Moses look like a school crossing guard.
Here's the thing, is telling recruits the possible ramifications of their decisions negative recruiting? I didn't have a problem when everyone was recruiting that RR was going to be gone this year...it's reality. As long as people aren't blatantly lying to recruits, I guess I just see it as part of the process.
I agree with this. Not okay: Fickell molests goats. Okay: do you really want to go to OSU with the situation down there right now?
they negative recruited us based upon BS. they're getting sanctioned. i have no problem w/ hoke pointing that out. if you want it to stop, don't break the rules.
There is a huge difference between an honest evaluation that reflects negatively on OSU, and slanderous, rumor mongering, scare tactic, worst case scenario speculation that reflects negatively on OSU.
Hoke, iirc, has gotten positive marks for being a straight shooter. If he tells the truth, and recruits bolt from Columbus because the truth is negative, well, I'm ok with that.
Questions like these are reasonable, and fair, and reflect negatively on OSU. However, it isn't hard to imagine speculation going far beyond this in a way that smears OSU unfairly.
Why does everybody have to assume that recruits (and their parents, coaches....) are dumb?
Everybody knows what is likely to happen to OSU. If Brady Hoke won't even mention the schools name in an interview, I doubt that he'll do it with a recruit. Brady can take the high road simply by saying:
Michigan plans on playing in bowl games every year.
Michigan has a full complement of scholarships to give and will use those scholarships to build a championship caliber football team.
Michigan has the most Big Ten titles in Big Ten history and if you sign with us, we are committed to bringing home more championships.
The recruits (and their parents, coaches....) can connect the dots. There's absolutely no reason to utter a word about OSU during a recruiting visit. They've already done the damage to themselves.
is doing any negative recruiting. Why ... tsio, ESPN and other news sources are doing all the negative recruiting for you. This is Michigan ! Just roll out who has signed ... let them look at Brady's NC ring & have GM talk about how the Raven's defense will mirror Michigan's and that should do it. Don't even need Auburn's hostesses ... wait let me think about that last one ....
Go Blue !
Please do not leave any spaces before your exclamation points!
I dated a girl once who left a space before all punctuation marks in text messages. It honestly contributed to the breakup. Proper puncuation > sexual attraction, every time.
More topically, I agree with most of the above posters; pointing out the unwisdom of commiting to Ohio State right now does not have to be slanderous, and there are plenty of ways that it could be done within what I would consider ethical bounds.
"Unwisdom".....Careful there.....You know what they say about glass houses.
Hey! You have my name!
Well he better be. This is a special circumstance where I'm sure all schools that are going head to head with OSU for a recruit will say something about it, as they should. The recruits need to know that they will get hit... This isn't the typical "negative recruiting" in my mind.
It can't be true b/c Hoke would never say OSu will get hit harder than USC. Hoke might say:
"That school in Ohio is going to get hit harder...."
"That school in Ohio is going to get TREMENDOUS sanctions."
Hoke's not doing his job if he's not laying the facts out there for these kids. If you want to call it negative recruiting so be it, but I don't think he's going below the belt by pointing out that:
A) OSU doesn't really have a permanent head coach right now
B) There's obviously been a lot of stuff on the down low in Columbus
C) They are about to get hammered for it one way or another
D) Getting hammered might (could (probably) (should))) lead to scholarship reductions and postseason bans.
We don't have any kind of evidence or even a rumor that Hoke, Mattison, et al, are running around saying things that are misleading or downright false. I think that's what people associate negative recruiting with. And that's not happening here.
"They are going to buy what they're being sold." Unless they go to OSU and get it free. Does anyone from Bucknuts or OSU really have right to play the "ethics card?"
This is not negative recruiting, its what happens to any coach/school, I want player A, School B wants player A, I say hey dont go there they suck!, I get player A. Silly Bucknuts recruitzing is not for youz.
Well Hoke definitely experienced the the effects of the recruiting pitch of the pathetic Lane Kiffin. I don't know exactly what he was selling those kids, but after signing 30 kids I can tell you he definitely lied about the implications of the NCAA repeal/investigation.
Yes, NCAA infractions are an issue. We had to deal with recruiting with the results of an investigation pending. Numerous recruits mentioned they wanted to hear about the punnishment before committing to UofM. And numerous programs/coaches negatively recuited us during it. Nonetheless that doesn't make it justified.
But, if these kids are being sold on Hoke's/UofM's pitch, why are they not being sold on Fickell's pitch? If they are lifelong OSU fans wouldn't they be more open to listening to Fickell. Also, there is a chance Ohio gets hit harder than USC if enough evidence comes to light. Just as we downplayed the NCAA infractions with Practicegate, Ohio is massively playing down their infractions. I doubt Hoke has to say much besides: Ohio is going to get hit hard by NCAA and I think it could be worse than USC. Lane Kiffin lied to kids when I was recruiting out on the West Coast for San Diego St, and I want you to know the implications of the investigation. Plus, we are looking to close most of our class up by end of summer/start of season, so spots at UofM might not be available down the road, if that impacts your decision.
Hoke was only talking negatively about "Ohio." That's all he said. He never once said "State."
Just what this recruiting class needs -- an elite RB!
Though not verbatim, +1 for my favorite Simpsons line of all-time.
I have no doubt Mr. Dunn is a baller, but every time I see his picture I cannot help but be reminded of Lt. Dan's advice to Bubba that he "tuck that thing in" lest it get caught on a trip wire...
not cool.
was pretty good/funny. This one...not so much. Many recruits read this site and I'm not sure BD would be overly impressed reading a post lke that...I'm not sayin' he reads this blog, just sayin'
pump the brakes there Bronson
I have to believe that Brandon, in the wake of all the unpleasantness surrounding RR, let Hoke know the degree to which he wants M to be seen as a program that does things the right way. Hoke says it every six seconds. Plus, he knows there's no need for him to go negative right now. He wins by taking the high ground.
...and the universe continues to align around its new center, a celestial territory known as Ann Arbor.
I just spoke to Bri'onte's father. He said Bri'onte is still committed to Ohio State for now and that he should be going up to their camp Thursday or Friday.
They don't like to share a lot, so take that for what it's worth.
No need to draw a hate-storm from jealous OSU fans.
fighting urge to neg TomVH for this not good news
The Dunns are just keeping things quiet, (seemingly) not wanting to burn any bridges before they know what Bri'onte wants to do. They're smart to hold on to the status quo until that time, especially since (let's be honest) the kid would probably be a lock for OSU in a normal year.
and had to play my senior year still I'd do whatever I could to not pissoff the rabid foaming at the mouth koolaid drinking slappies during my last year in ohio. I definitely wouldn't come out and say "I'm switching to Michigan" in the middle of the summer. I'd take visits and silent commit.
I am replying so that I can archive this phrase for myself so that, sometime in the future when I want to use it, I can remember where to find it. This should be a surpreme complement, and such.
the messenger bro. Or should I say don't bite the hand that feeds you? You get the idea.
I feel like every time there is any news about Bri'onte Dunn and his commitment status, his dad comes through to reassure everyone that his son is still committed to OSU... His dad seems to be a huge voice in his 'close to the chest' recruitment... Is his dad pushing OSU?
I could see how you might think that, but I think differently. I think his dad is just trying to absorb as much of the pressure/media attention/fans' attention as possible (which is a good thing). He's trying to make his son's life a little less hectic at this crazy time -- he'll answer the questions and say the things that will keep OSU fans from hating on Bri'onte, while Bri'onte can focus on his decision, football, and school. I know that it's what I would do for my (eventual) son.
Interesting if this person is an actual journalist since he is quoting Hoke in his post in regards to negatively recruiting against tsio. His post says the following:
Hoke is negatively recruiting the hell out of OSU. He's telling these guys that OSU will get hit harder than USC and they "shouldn't fall for the same (stuff) Lane Kiffen sold all those SC recruits."
I don't think there's a school anywhere that isn't saying the same thing. Fans underestimate just how nasty recruiting is. Coaches are making sales pitches against each other, and their livelihoods can ultimately be at stake. The only thing that's really considered out of bounds is personal attacks on a rival coach (or, in the case of Carr at the end of his career, spreading rumors about ill health). Some coaches might make the negative comparisons a greater part of their sales pitch than others, but I'm sure they all wade into that area on occasion.
I remember reading a story on Yahoo a while ago and it was about Tommy Bowden recruiting against Bobby Bowden and he was talking about how bad recruiting can get. Anyway, the gist of it was he was doing an in-home visit for a kid both Clemson and FSU wanted. So Tommy's making his pitch and everything's going well and as he's leaving, Bobby rolls up to the house, fancy car and greets the family while telling Tommy to make sure and call his mother about something. Completely emasculated him in front of the recruit and their family. Kid ended up committing to FSU.
I found the story hilarious but I can imagine some of the lengths coaches will go to land a recruit.
When I spoke to a Michigan Coach recently... He said there was no need to negatively recruit. Everyone else does that for them... (meaning it's obvious.. sanctions, interim coach, etc)
The Michigan Coaches don't need to say a thing. They focus on the positives of Michigan.
I'm not saying that coach is lying, but would you ever expect a coach to answer differently?
As every thread where it's win for UM and sadness for Ohio.
And I'm in a slappy mood.
Tom just tweeted otherwise. Said Dunn will be in Columbus Thursday or Friday.
Maybe he's going there to decommit in person. /s
Someone should probably forward Dunn the link to the bucknuts forum so he can see how supportive those "fans" of his are being about a rumor...
The more and more we hear about Dunn (numerous rumors about decommitting) each time the family affirms he is still committed to Ohio and is monitoring the situation. It just seems Dunn really wants to stay at Ohio, and only if they do get hit hard or it is punnishment is imminently obvious then he will open his recruiting. Everytime it seems we are making significant headway, there is always some small stumbling block and getting Dunn seems less realistic.
Maybe we should try to refrain from the rumors and stop putting pressure on the family, putting them in a defensive position? Nothing's to be gained by pushing them to reassert his commitment, whatever his or their real sentiments might be.
(Yes, I know this board isn't the primary source of those rumors and there's little anyone here can do about it.)
On Dunn's 247 profile it had Ohio State as a commit with Michigan and Michigan State as warm and all other teams cold. On Rivals it had him as a soft verbal to Ohio State with Michigan being medium interest and everyone else behind. Hopefully this is a good sign for U-M.
Who cares if we're "negatively recruiting OSU"?? They're providing their own material, after all. This isn't Lane Kiffin telling Alshon Jeffrey he'll be pumping gas for the rest of his life if he goes to South Carolina. It's not like we're recruiting against a clean program that never did no wrong and Hoke is telling them lies about Columbus.
This situation sells itself. As one of the (very rare on Bucknuts, I believe) smarter posters said his own self: it's entirely self-inflicted. If Hoke didn't ride the sanctions for all they're worth I'd be awfully disappointed. Oh, and incredibly surprised if Tressel wasn't telling recruits the same stuff when we had a few speed bumps of our own.
Would someone please post the Scarlett...Johansson popcorn loop?!
Kalis/Dunn/Washington/Wormley...The ultimate remaining blue dream out of ohio.
Edit...someone already did it below, so here's Scarlett eating again-
Reading the Bucknuts forums always makes me so glad to not be surrounded by morons on this blog.
ESPN CFL has a story on K. Kalis de-committing and looking North.
-Rehash what we knew.
-T. Luginbill
Dominos might be falling for the OSU class
-A. Ware
Guys should start looking elsewere.
Might be another coaching change at the end of the season.
Hill and Dunn seem like very similar backs. Hill is 6'2" 220, Dunn is 6'2" 215, they're both "one cut and go" types and they both run 4.6. It seems Dunn may have slightly better jukes. Is that why he's got 5 stars instead of Hill's 3?
Under the article about Kalis decommitting are just priceless. Here is a gem from a delusional buckeye fan named OSUboost:
"I would like for Mr Kalis to please review our recruiting class of 2011, 2010, and 2009. Please youtube all those 4 and 5 star defense players that he will be playing against, instead of with for at least 3-4 years. Does anyone honestly believe OSU is done? Give me a freakin break, the team on campus now has more future NFL players on it than any other BIG10 team. Oh and since when is scUM back? Last I remember there current roster read like a pop warner team, with the exception of footloose robinson, who can only stay healthy for 9 games or so. No matter who ends up being the coach of TOSU, you can take 3 things to the bank: 1.) NCAA ruling will not be as bad as everyone is claiming, thats fact, visit ncaa.com and read up. 2.) TOSU will continue to have 10+ win seasons including beating scUM. and 3.) To all the Ohio recruits offered schollies, TOSU never rebuilds, TOSU always RELOADS, Go Bucks, see you in the fall!!!"
Wow I can't get enough of this stuff, Brionte, come on up!
That guy could school the Big Kat in some basic language skills. Wonder how the ole Kat feels about the happenings in and around Columbus these days. He may be tempted to deliver the brohammer.
The ongoing popcorn-a-thon will hurt my F5 key almost as much as my soul dong has been hurt these past few years....
until and unless he puts his signature on an LOI with a school other than OSU on Signing Day 2012.
Factual truth is not negative recruiting (OSU does indeed face potential problems with the NCAA, for example).
Lies and bullshit (LC has Parkinsons, for example) are negative recruiting.
She makes life so much better.
Que "Hail to the Victors" if they commit to Michigan. That's almost like a touchdown in my book.
You mean "The Victors"
If Jim Tressel couldn't stop lying, why should Hoke stop telling the truth?
Comment of the week, right there.
According to Tom VH's most recent tweets he hasnt decommitted FWIW.
"Bri'onte Dunn's father told me that Bri'onte is still committed to Ohio State for now, and should be in Columbus Thursday or Friday"
followed by
Dunn likes to keep everything close, so who knows what could happen in the near future.
With the potential for Kalis and Wormley commits this weekend, it could be our best weekend for recruiting in history
Wait, which parts of your post were Tom's words and which parts were yours. Namely, who said "with the potential for Kalis and Wormley to commit this weekend?"
Better speculation comes from Sam Webb, who said this morning he doesn't believe either Kalis or Wormley will commit this weekend. Though we are in good position with Kalis and remain in good position with Wormley.
blog to say their awesome recruit is leaving and for a Michigan blog to say he's not leaving.
stealing our shit!
"Those that stay, will become champions."
1st page. Bastards!
The incorrectly-used comma in the middle of the sentence gives away the fact that it's a Bucknuts copy of a Michigan saying.
couldn't have made it up! Maybe, I should have written, "I couldn't, have made it up". LOL.
Stealing our shit and adding unnecessary commas.
Not only did they add unnecessary commas, they used the word "that" to refer to people instead of the word "who." Those WHO Stay Will Be Champions.
Not surprising from the University of the Unnecessary Article.
It was either a typo, or you misread it. What they meant to say is, "Those who stay will be on probation." Easy mistake to make . . .
Does not bode well for my Bar studying the rest of the day.... or week for that matter.
I seen this coming a week ago with the first decommit from OSU Ejuan Price. All I can say fans is Michigan may end up with the most Ohio prospects in the nation when its all said and done !!!!!!! LOL :) And I was thinking if they car pool they can make a pit stop here in my home town and grab Wormley!! GO BLUE!!
If Dunn does decommit, he can look forward to gems like these directed towards Kalis from OSU posters:
"If he commits to SCUM before the season, I would hope he blows out both of his knees."
"Since he is obviously being persuaded by Strobel (he is very annoying to me and he looks like a sissy) and Wormley, I believe he goes to Michigan."
That's a pretty rational and level-headed crew over there.
I am having to toss perfectly good food so I can make room in the pantry for all the Jiffy Pop, damnit....
Is negative recruiting telling a kid the truth? Or is negative recruiting telling a kid a lie and have him not be able to go to a bowl until year 3 or 4?
These buckeye slappies are hilarious. We don't need to use negative recruiting every media outlet is doing it for us, except it's all the truth and they brought all this on themselves and now they want people to feel sorry for them. I think it's pathetic.
I'm starting to consider buying stock in popcorn, any suggestions on which company to go with?
Per TomVH, Dunn will be in Columbus Thursday or Friday and his Dad clarified he has not decommitted.
Everyone chill, I'm not shocked by these recruits decommiting, listen, I live in columbus and deal with these pompous, unrealistic, big headed O lie O State fans, they are killin these two kids here, but what's even more typical is that they actually think the NCAA will not be hard on them, they think they'll still have a ten win season and actually servive this GOD sent ordeal, me I'm just walkin round Columbus with my block M shirt and loving every second of this magnificent ordeal...GBOD!!!!!! Gotta be careful though cause these bumbling buckeyes are on a witch hunt for anyone or anything Maize & Blue.
I went to high school with him and we are in a fantasy football league together. He is a writer for Bucknuts.com and is on some local AM sports radio shows in Dayton and Columbus


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Zombies may be dead, but the genre certainly isn't. Telltale Games has announced that The Walking Dead has sold over one million episodes in two weeks across all platforms. That includes PC, Mac, PlayStation 3, and Xbox 360 so far, with iOS still to come.
This makes it Telltale's fastest-selling game so far, and it probably helps that it's gotten a more positive reception from critics than last few games. Plus the $5 price point can't hurt. It hit #1 on the XBLA charts, and made a mark the PlayStation Network, and Steam charts as well. This figure is for the first episode, "A New Day." The second, titled "Starved for Help" is coming in June.
"Premiering The Walking Dead game series to record numbers across so many diverse platforms is a tremendous achievement that shows the value of bringing strong storytelling and game play together," said Telltale CEO Dan Connors, in the announcement. "The tailored narrative design puts gamers in control of their own story within the universe of The Walking Dead in a way that appeals equally to hardcore gamers and to more casual gamers who are fans of the franchise. The most exciting aspect of getting off to such a great start is that this is just the beginning of the five episode series. The Walking Dead fans are going to experience some really great moments in the months ahead that are uniquely influenced by the choices they make throughout the season."


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BLOOMINGTON, Ind. (AP) — Cody Latimer set career highs with 11 catches and 189 yards receiving and hauled in three touchdowns as Indiana defeated Illinois 52-35 on Saturday.
The Hoosiers (4-5, 2-3 Big Ten) snapped a three-game skid, while Illinois (3-6, 0-5) extended its school-record conference losing streak to 19 games.
Tevin Coleman rushed 15 times for a career-high 215 yards, the most by a Hoosier in the last 10 seasons. The teams engaged in a back-and-forth shootout until Coleman's 75-yard touchdown run edged Indiana ahead 42-35 with 12:41 remaining. Indiana burned the Illini's run defense for 371 yards and gained a season-high 650 yards overall.
Nathan Scheelhaase completed 38 of 57 passes for 450 yards and two touchdowns to lead Illinois. He added 45 yards and a score on the ground. Receiver Steve Hull exploded for 224 yards and two touchdowns on nine receptions.
The Illini were never the same after Coleman's crowd-thrilling burst. On their ensuing possession, linebacker Steven Funderburk came unblocked on a third-and-10 blitz to force an incompletion. Then Illinois coach Tim Beckman dialed up a fake punt that flopped on fourth down. Punter Justin DuVernois threw low and well short of the marker.
Two plays later, Stephen Houston rushed in from the 2-yard line to make it 49-35. Prior to that, neither side led by more than seven. Houston finished with 17 carries for 150 yards and two TDs.
Latimer surpassed his previous career highs of nine catches and 139 yards with a 50-yard TD reception from Nate Sudfeld on Indiana's fourth drive of the second half. The play also tied his career high of three touchdown catches and gave the Hoosiers a 35-28 lead.
The teams traded touchdowns on four consecutive possessions in the first quarter before defense prevailed in the second. Illinois kicker Taylor Zalewski was wide right on a 41-yard field goal try with 1:20 left in the half.
Each team scored 14 in the third quarter. Hull got wide open on Illinois' first drive of the second half for a 54-yard touchdown reception that tied the game at 21. Sudfeld, who finished 20-of-27 for 267 yards and three TD passes, twice hooked up with Latimer for scores in the period. Scheelhaase scrambled in from 14 yards out to briefly give Illinois its only lead of the day, 28-21.
Illinois right tackle Corey Lewis, who rushed for 27 touchdowns as a high school senior, tied the game at 35 when he fell on Ferguson's fumble in the end zone for his first college score.
Illinois entered the game with the 70th-ranked offense, averaging 402 yards. By the break, the Illini had gained 288. They finished with 612 yards, but a struggling defense cost them a chance to break through for their first Big Ten victory since Oct. 8, 2011, which came at Indiana.
Mitch Ewald kicked a 22-yard field goal with 5:25 remaining to give the Hoosiers a 17-point lead, their largest in over a month. Ewald is 8-for-8 this season.
Indiana might have a tough time regrouping before traveling to Wisconsin next week with several Hoosiers leaving the game because of injury. Coleman was helped off midway through the fourth quarter. Starting defensive backs Tim Bennett, Mark Murphy and Greg Heban also missed time.
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Thumbing Through Firefox Tabsby Troy Mott, coauthor of Windows XP in a Nutshell, 2nd Edition
I started using Firefox when version 1.0 launched, and it quickly became my favorite browser. There are several reasons for this, but tabbed browsing is at the top of the list. Other browsers provide tabbed browsing, of course, and soon even Internet Explorer will have the feature. However, you can take advantage of tabbed browsing in Firefox today and even add extensions, or small add-ons, that provide a custom tabbed browsing experience.
This article shows the power of tabbed browsing in Firefox that can be had by taking advantage of the functionality that comes loaded in the browser, as well as through the use of four of my favorite tabbed browsing extensions. I will also walk through two examples, a news search and a search that led me to the Hitchhiker Adventure Game, to illustrate the advantages of tabbed browsing.
Tabbed Browsing in Firefox
Let's start with a quick introduction to tabbed browsing for those users who don't already use this feature. Basically, tabbed browsing lets you open new web pages as tabs inside your browser window rather than opening a bunch of individual windows. Thus you can view many favorite sites in one window and even view multiple search results at the same time. While you continue reading one page, you can have multiple links open in tabs in the background.
This ability to load multiple pages inside one window is a slick feature for many users. Although this article will covers extensions, the tabbed browsing capabilities that come loaded with Firefox are very powerful. In fact, extensions bring to the surface many options that are buried inside the program. One important option that is easily accessible is "Bookmark all tabs in a folder," available when you add a bookmark in Firefox. With this option checked (see Figure 1), you can automatically save all of the tabs that are open in the browser window you are viewing.
Figure 1. Save open tabs as a bookmarked group
Later, you can open up all of these pages by selecting the saved bookmark and using the "Open in tabs" option, or you can just open an individual page from within the list of saved tabs.
Firefox Extensions
Now that I've touched on the basics of tabbed browsing, let's take a look at the add-on extensions that can further enhance the tabbed browsing experience. To quickly access extensions in Firefox, click on Tools -> Extensions in the browser. That is where all installed extensions are listed. To search for new extensions, click on the "Get More Extensions" link in the Extensions dialog. This opens the Mozilla.org extensions page, which offers hundreds of various extensions. To install extensions from the Mozilla page, find the one you want (user comments and ratings can be helpful); make sure it is compatible with the version of Firefox you are running; and select the Install Now link. For more information about installing extensions in Firefox, check out Firefox Hacks by O'Reilly Media.
Extensions, and in this case tabbed browsing extensions, let you try out all sorts of features that can save you time and are just cool to use. Here are the four extensions that I use to take advantage of tabbed browsing (see Figure 2):
- Tabbrowser Preferences
- miniT (drag+indicator)
- SessionSaver
- All-in-One Gestures
Figure 2. Four of the most useful add-ons
I won't go into too much detail about these extensions, because the Mozilla.org extension page has plenty of information, and in most cases the extensions' authors also have sites with further details. If you've browsed the Mozilla.org page (and, of course, some of the other sites offering extensions out there), you may have noticed there are a lot of extensions, each with many features to choose from. In this section I will highlight the main features of my four favorite extensions, focusing on those most applicable to the two searching scenarios I describe later in this article.
Tabbrowser Preferences
The great thing about this extension is that you can control all of its various options through the Tabbed Browsing interface (see Figure 3), which is an enhanced version of the interface that comes with Firefox. Several of my favorite options are:
- Loading links in a new tab
- Selecting tabs by moving the mouse onto them (instead of clicking on them)
- Showing new tab button on the tab bar
Figure 3. Tabbrowser's preferences interface is similar to Firefox's
miniT (drag+indicator)
This extension doesn't come with options and requires no configuring. Once it's installed, however, you can drag and drop tabs with the help of an indicator anywhere in the browser window. This can be helpful when cleaning up or sorting through many tabs.
If you have kids who are old enough to access your computer, or you encounter an unfortunate moment when your machine crashes, SessionSaver pays off in spades. This extension will restore your browser window exactly as you left it. You can set it to restore after a crash, or after every startup (see Figure 4). I tend to use "Restore every startup" when I'm doing a lot of searches, but otherwise I leave it off because I don't always want my last group of tabs loading every time I fire up the browser.
Figure 4. Restore your tabbed browser window after a crash or upon startup
All-in-One Gestures
This is my favorite extension, because it gives you so many options and ways to configure the many "gestures" that are available. All-in-One Gestures lets you execute common commands for tabs with your mouse. In essence, you can hold down your right mouse button and "draw" gestures, or movements, in any tab window that carry out whatever commands you've assigned to the gestures. Notice in Figure 5 how I've assigned a left and right gesture to the Previous and Next tab function, which lets me quickly move through multiple tabs in the window without having to move to the top of each tab.
Figure 5. Assign various mouse movements or "gestures" to any tabbed browsing functions you like
You can quickly select a function, hit the "Edit gesture" button, and draw the gesture you want to assign to the function. This way you don't have to worry about all of the abbreviations assigned to gestures. Also, if the gesture is already assigned to another function, you will be given the option to swap the gesture or draw another one. It's worth spending a little time here and assigning whatever gestures you are comfortable with (and can easily remember) to your favorite tabbed browsing functions. Or, if you prefer a more GUI-like approach to gestures, try out the easyGestures extension. (See the Resources section at the end of this article.)
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