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the real question is "how many patents have Mr. Myhrvold and his minions already staked out in this area?"
The real question is "who cooks at 800C?". I do quite a bit of baking and the only reason to go over 200C is pizza.
If I want a steak like a steakhouse, I want 800C
200C is too low for a pizza, unless you are talking "american" pizza. I get the pizza stone as hot as possible, somewhere north of 250C as I can get.
Prime rib or steak I get the oven as high as possible, leave a cast iron grill in there and then sear it fast.
If I want a steak like a steakhouse, I want 800C
If I want steak better than a steakhouse, I cook it vacuum-sealed in a plastic bag in a water bath at 57-58C (135-138F) (= "medium rare") for 2 to 4 hours.
Then I sear it with a torch, on a grill, or in a pan. That's when the 800C comes in handy.
There is an art to a grilled steak, and I respect the art. But the above method is fool-proof, and will produce the exact amount of doneness you want (adjust temperature, down for more red, up for less red) and with amazing tenderness. All as set out in Myhrvold's Modernist Cuisine. (I've got the more affordable "at Home" version...)
BTW *you do not want* a truly rare steak (125F). It is inedible. Not a high enough temperature for tenderness and more importantly, not high enough to render fat. A "rare" steak has only the very center of the steak rare. This way will give you the same doneness throughout, except for the very surface. Now, if you *want* the incremental variation of doneness from surface to center do it the "artful" way. And pray.
Not only do you get the exact degree of doneness you want - every time - but you reduce the risk of carcinogens. There is a direct correlation with flame exposure time. The quick sear at the end gets it over quickly.
The searing step produces the desired surface char and Malliard reaction. Sear at the end. Pre-searing "to keep in the juices" has been long-ago debunked. Sous Vide' cooking keeps in the juices anyway. (Much more so than grilling, anyway.)
Steak? The OP talks about a better oven design - who cooks a steak in an oven?
Anyway, back to the subject. I think cooking is not so much about 'follow this recipe exactly' but more about using skills like observation and taking appropriate actions. Of course you can bake a bread by measuring out ingredients and so on, but the result will vary, because the ingredients will not always be identical - humidity or protein content in flour, for example will vary from batch to batch.
A much better way is to work t
If I want a steak like a steakhouse, I want 800C
Prime rib or steak I get the oven as high as possible, leave a cast iron grill in there and then sear it fast.
So you burn the seasoning off of the grill before cooking the steak? The carbon will be burned off by the time you hit 800C (1470 F).
If I want a steak like a steakhouse, I want 800C
640C should be enough for anyone.
Who doesn't want to cast aluminium in their oven?
Scones. They get cooked at around 230C, as do a number of other baked goods.
That was my first thought. Nobody in their right mind bakes at 400C and even the cleaning cycle doesn't do 800C.
I have no idea why they were talking about sous vide, you don't do that in an oven.
The whole thing sounds like using a massive amount of expensive technology to replace a very small amount of skill.
The whole thing sounds like using a massive amount of expensive technology to replace a very small amount of skill.
Yeah, but we're talking about the guy who runs the patent troll firm Intellectual Ventures. I suspect he's got a whole slew of patents covering the theoretical oven he's describing.
I suspect he likes pretending he has other interests than patent litigation, though, since that isn't the sort of thing that's going to look great in an obituary.
The whole thing sounds like using a massive amount of expensive technology to replace a very small amount of skill.
Exactly what I think when I see those new Ford commercials with the self-parking Focus.
There's probably ways ovens can be improved for modern times, but adding a bunch of sensors and a flat panel display sounds like a way to make a simple appliance less consumer-repairable.
Exactly so. I nursed our old early '70s oven along for as long as I could for that reason. Parts had long ago become unavailable, but unlike newer models, I could even take the switches apart and polish the pits out of the contacts and even build them back up with solder. Finally, too much was falling apart including the basic structure, so we had to get a new one. We found one that at least seems to be somewhat reperable. It is CPU controlled but at least has a PCB with large traces and mechanical relays t
the real question is "how many patents have Mr. Myhrvold and his minions already staked out in this area?"
Especially since he's co-founder of "Intellectual Ventures," which is a HUGE holder of patents.
Yeah, I don't know that a $5,000 oven that cooks a bit faster than the one I already have and has all of these points of calibration that can go wrong is going to be better than a straightforward metal box with a heat source and a thermostat.
I like some of the features, but overall I would like a cheap reliable oven which minimizes heat transfer to the kitchen I am paying to air condition.
Because the incremental improvement adding all of these optics and electronics, make it robust, and make it work is not cheap. And most cooks do pretty darn good with just what they have.
Small benefit vs big cost => no change
In order to see a real change you really need a few "killer apps". i.e. some dishes that are significantly easier, better, faster
if prepared using this new oven. A single incredible dish that can only be cooked in this new oven would be a start but I'm not
sure very many people would buy an oven for a single dish. The microwave became popular because it was faster than the
oven for a whole range of things.
I could imagine, say, pastry chefs, who are already famous for being control freaks. Producing truly great pastry, reliably, is an extraordinary feat of both science and art. I could imagine them wanting this for a high-end patisserie.
But beyond that, it seems to be a solution looking for a problem. This is Myhrvold, who already wants to see you a $600 book containing a recipe for a hamburger requiring several thousand dollars worth of tools you don't already have in your kitchen (including a dewar of liqui
In order to see a real change you really need a few "killer apps". i.e. some dishes that are significantly easier, better, faster
if prepared using this new oven. A single incredible dish that can only be cooked in this new oven...
Garlic bread. The kind you buy in the supermarket. Either the frozen stuff of the kind in the ovenproof foil bag. It never quite cooks all the way in the oven, so I pop it under the broiler. Just for a second, to brown the top. A second or two to long and it ends up charcoal burnt. And this is what happens. Every. Damn. Time.
The burning occurs because once all the water has evaporated from the top of the crust, it'll burn incredibly quickly. Typically it's difficult to gauge from a quick glance how much moisture is remaining in the top layers of the bread - although much easier to gauge the amount of steam you see when you open the oven door.
Easiest solution to tackle the evaporating of water is to brush a little oil over the top. Water evporates, oil soaks in instead, the hot oil helps the crust brown quicker and prevents it d
In order to see a real change you really need a few "killer apps".
You're right: this would be the perfect oven for the budding serial killer. Set dial to "cremate" and you're done!
The added cost and complexity would result in a pricey oven that only serious/professional cooks could justify; the same group who would probably raise their little French noses at such a contraption.
Also, cooking is an art. no Rube Goldberg oven is going to allow people like me to make anything more than digiorno pizza.
The point is, we can have a much better oven without an increase in price. Same amount of material, or even less material. There is low hanging fruit that is being ignored. Consider how long it took for toaster ovens to get timers. Years after the introduction of microwave ovens, all of which have timers and automatic shutoff, most toaster ovens still had nothing more than a cheap thermostat.
It's a similar story in housing. The features of the site are routinely ignored. Air conditioning coils shoul
No one likes cleaning ovens.
I don't want to be forced to clean my oven every time I want to cook something because the camera lens is fogged up and can't figure out how hot my food is.
No amount of thermal imaging is going to tell the oven how hot the inside of my chicken is, so I don't end up with salmonella.
Microwaves have been available with temperature probes like that for 20 years. My parents owned one and it was quite useful for heating up drinks, you just put in the temperature, plug in the problem and away it goes.
It was great until one day it wasn't plugged in properly. You know what happens when you put metal objects in a microwave right?
You can also buy them for conventional ovens. Although they don't control the oven, an alarm can be set to go off at a predetermined temperature. They're not too expen
No shit. My oven blew something on the "motherboard" that caused it to require a repair of $450. In checking on line, folks recommended just putting a piece of 3x5 between the plastic cover and the board which seems to corrected the problem, for now. But jeeze, it's an oven.
Because the incremental improvement adding all of these optics and electronics, make it robust, and make it work is not cheap. And most cooks do pretty darn good with just what they have.
This is spot-on. The suggestions in this article mostly range from the impractical and expensive to the barely useful and ludicrously expensive.
I do a LOT of baking, roasting, braising, etc. in my oven. I'm also the kind of guy who owns multiple probe thermometers with different sensitivities and speeds, multiple kitchen scales with different accuracies for different quantities, a pH meter for kitchen use, hydrometers for fermentation, miscellaneous lab glassware for accurate measuring (and often convenient pouring), etc.
Basically, I know there's a lot of room for precision in the kitchen, and I make use of it all the time.
On the other hand, I'm also the kind of guy who throws in a handful of some herb and a couple pinches of another spice while I'm cooking or baking -- I recognize that there are sometimes when precision is warranted, and sometimes when it doesn't really make a huge difference becauses there are other variables in play. (How fresh is the herb or spice, is it small new leaves or large old leaves, etc.? -- sure, I could weigh a small amount of it, but those variations mean that a "handful" is probably about as reasonably precise as I'm going to get in terms of flavor potential.)
Cooking and baking generally involves a lot of ingredients that have significant variation to them -- it's not like you order "laboratory grade" spices that have stable flavor profiles and are 99.99% pure or whatever. And kitchen conditions are variable enough in temperature and humidity that even if you had the perfect yeast that always started out exactly the same, by the time your dough ferments for a couple hours in your kitchen, each batch is going to be a little different. (Even with my temperature-controlled proofing box for proofing dough, my pizza timing and process will require adjustment from batch-to-batch.)
So why exactly am I going to pay a ridiculous premium for these features on my oven? Most of them can be easily approximated with cheap fixes for those who care. If I want to have higher humidity in my oven, I put a steam pan in. Great. Whee. Cost of a few bucks for a cheap pan. If I want bursts of steam like a commercial bread oven, I can use a water kettle and a piece of tubing that costs me a couple bucks -- a valve too, if I want to be fancy about it. Myhrvold worries about how some of these "fancy" ovens can produce high humidity, but what if you want to brown your food and need to get rid of the humidity, which the oven isn't designed for. What the heck? Take my $5 steam pan out of the freakin' oven after I'm done with the steaming phase. What is so hard about this?
Or I could spend hundreds or thousands of dollars for some ridiculous improvements to have precision equipment when I'm not generally using ingredients or cookware or whatever else that are built to the same precise tolerances... so I'm wasting money. The biggest improvement to my pizza-baking, for example, came NOT from precision measuring instruments for ingredients or from my special proofing box (both of which need to be adjusted according to variances in ingredients and kitchen conditions), but from buying a cheap steel plate to bake my pizza on (a suggestion that originated with Myrhvold's book, by the way).
I'm not saying that ovens can't be improved. Many of his ideas would be interesting for general features, but his obsession with precision is just ridiculous.
I do a LOT of baking, roasting, braising, etc. in my oven. I'm also the kind of guy who owns multiple probe thermometers with different sensitivities and speeds,
Have you ever wanted an oven that goes up to 800 degrees C?
How to improve the oven has been known for ages.
The problem is that it's costly to do right, especially if the oven needs to actually be a reliable oven and last at least 10 years daily use.
For example 'optical sensors can be placed in the oven to
How do you keep these clean after the four hundredth time they're spattered with grease at 250C and it's burned on to a nice black film.
How do you determine what the food is, and what the surrounding dish is in order to pick what needs to be browned.
The 'right' way to do this would be with thermal IR cameras.
Unfortunately, this raises even more cost issues.
Unfortunately, this raises even more cost issues.
Not for Nathan Myhrvold.
Is that the sequel to "Stephen Wolfram Is a Big Fat Idiot"?
Last 10 years? Make sure you don't buy garbage made by Whirlpool as it's made to fall apart in a very short time. This is the front of our gasrange after less than 5 years of careful use: http://toxicice.com/images/eng... [toxicice.com]
According to Whirlpool this is "normal wear and tear". Good luck using an oven if you can't even read the markings anymore
Aside: the "clock" doesn't even have battery backup. It's 80's technology but made to last way less long.
How to improve the oven has been known for ages...
Yeah, don't let dumbasses near them.
Photoshop to cook our food?
We could use the device to preview the finished dish, too.
Of course, he is theoretically correct, but, as we know, theory and practice are different things.
Rarely, if ever, will the temperature inside your oven ever exceed 230C -- there are entire cooking techniques that rely on the uneven heating patterns of a traditional convection oven and broiler.
No, pretty sure you're doing it wrong actually - crispy fish skin is a wonderful thing.
Because building it would be so complex it would be overly expensive and break down a lot more. My oven has been running for over a decade. It may well last several more decades. That's a lot longer than the expected life cycle for 'smart' products. I'll take a dumb oven and be a smart cook any day of the week. A ring of stones and a cook fire is better than too much technology.
Something cookbooks harp on: most ovens do very poor temperature regulation. Baking books in particular recommend getting a separate themometer, and adding thermal ballast (such as stones) to your oven to get it to keep an even temperature.
That's not just for ultra-high-end stuff; that's for just making good bread. Bread is fairly sensitive to temperature, because you're trying to orchestrate a complex set of reactions including yeast production, internal steam, setting the internal protein structure, and browning the crust. Swings of 25F are enough to throw off that balance, yielding loaves that are too high or too low or too brown or other problems.
Most home ovens do it very badly. It seems to me that's a much more fixable problem without spending a fortune on the ultimate oven.
The temperature of the oven is irrelevant to the temperature of the food. Replaceable probes that stick into the food and still work at 300deg C (800 LOL) would be vastly more important than anything else.
Likewise, hobs should have thermostats and work according to temperature rather than fixed power.
These things may well exist.
A smoke detector would be nice too but is unlikely to be reliable.
The temperature of the oven is irrelevant to the temperature of the food. Replaceable probes that stick into the food and still work at 300deg C (800 LOL) would be vastly more important than anything else.
Depends on what you're making. Lots of baking is done in a relatively short timeframe (less than an hour) and the interior of foods needs to achieve the right temperature before the surface of the food burns. That's usually the reason for the difference between recipes that recommend various oven temperatures: it's always a race against time to get the inside cooked before the outside burns.
Now, you might say, we could just pay attention to the inside, and turn the oven down if the inside temperature is
You're right, of course.
I was thinking the outside is more predictable, particularly if you keep opening the oven or someone invents a reliable monitor.
Is this due to unfamiliarity with Centigrade?
All the food baking I've done is well below 260C (500F).
800C (1472F) is cherry red can melt a lot of metals.
It's in the range you would use a muffle furnace or kiln to get.
Why the fsck should we listen to anything this dishonest vulture says or wants? He has worked to single-handedly ruin everything about anything we could ever care about. Intellectual Ventures is the scum of the Earth, and is akin to the mafia coming to you and mentioning that they need some money else something bad could happen to your precious new business venture. Everything this man and his cohorts touch is tainted - Intellectual Ventures and Mr. Myhrvold needs to be removed like a cancer before they can spread even further.
Fsck Intellectual Ventures.
Fsck Nathan Myhrvold.
In some parts of the world, they'd cut off his thieving hands. I wouldn't take one of his new ovens even if they gave it to me - except maybe to smash the crap out of it on YouTube.
"With reasonable energy efficiency, electric broilers can heat quickly and reliably to temperatures as high as 2,200 C. Maximum settings are typically restricted to 1,200 C in order to extend the life of the heating element and avoid charring the food."
I think repeatedly confusing C and F should immediately disqualify someone as an oven engineer. Or an oven operator, for that matter.
Gosh 2200C? That's hot enough to melt steel by quite a margin. Tungsten would survive, but not many other elements would,
Heck, 1200C is nearly enough to melt steel (actually 1500C), and would be more than enough to cast copper, bronze and brass, blow glass, fire ceramics and so on.
Where can I get one of these atomic furnaces?
"With reasonable energy efficiency, electric broilers can heat quickly and reliably to temperatures as high as 2,200 C. Maximum settings are typically restricted to 1,200 C in order to extend the life of the heating element and avoid charring the food."
I think repeatedly confusing C and F should immediately disqualify someone as an oven engineer. Or an oven operator, for that matter.
What about confusing the temperature of the food or the air in the oven and the temperature of the heating element?
Electric broilers use bars or rods made from Nichrome, an alloy of nickel and chromium (and often iron) that heats up when electricity passes through it. With reasonable energy efficiency, electric broilers can heat quickly and reliably to temperatures as high as 2,200 C. Maximum settings are typically restricted to 1,200 C in order to extend the life of the heating element and avoid charring the food.
The nichrome bars heat up to 1200C. They heat up the air and also radiate in the infrared to cook the food.
I have no idea why so many people reading this article got confused about that point and think the guy's trying to cook food to 1200C.
Probably because it started out talking about 200C which is way cooler than the elements run, convincing people it wasn't talking about that.
Not only it's not obvious what "better" means when baking is involved, but he's showing his Microsoft roots here, stupid "improvements" that make the whole system break so much easier.
It's a known fact that most "modern" residential ovens, the ones with displays, lots of buttons to set baking programs etc, should never use the self-clean cycle. The thermal insulation is not good enough to protect the electronics (a.k.a. control board) and the oven fails, typically after a high-heat cycle (the self-clean reaches 700-800*F). This is equally true for GE and Whirlpool as well as for Viking and Ilve.
Adding more electronics to a hot environment is asking for more and expensive trouble.
Commercial appliances are better built though, are they Myhrvold's target? In any case, his post is just a petulant rant showing overkill application of technology, just because "he can". Zapping mosquitoes with laser beams sounds more realistic...
Given that he raises the spectre of salmonella from uneven temperature in sous-vide cooking, it's pretty clear he knows fuck all about cooking. Hey Nathan? Sous vide is done in a precision-controlled water bath, you numpty. Not an oven.
Given that he raises the spectre of salmonella from uneven temperature in sous-vide cooking, it's pretty clear he knows fuck all about cooking. Hey Nathan? Sous vide is done in a precision-controlled water bath, you numpty. Not an oven.
From the article:
Domestic ovens tend to swing in temperature and can be off by as much as 5 percent at any point during cooking. At 205 C—a temperature at which you might cook a turkey—that 5 percent isn't a big deal. But consider a style of cooking known as sous vide, in which you cook food in bags in a water bath at low temperatures such as 60 C, near the threshold at which bacteria can survive. Here, 5 percent can be the difference between safe and unsafe.
He raises the spectre of salmonella from uneven temperature to point out why ovens can't do the low and slow temps in sous vide cooking. And I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he knows significantly more than fuck all about cooking [amazon.com].
Sous vide is done in a precision-controlled water bath, you numpty. Not an oven.
Pretty sure he knows that, given the featured technique of his pricey multi-volume Modernist Cuisine (purportedly the most financially-successful cookbook ever - and at $500 it should be!) is Sous Vide'... Lots of pretty pictures of bags hanging in water tanks. (There's a more-affordable "at Home" version, which I own.)
Think they didn't show the pretty pictures to Nathan?
SRSLY, that set is probably one of the major drivers behind the popularization of Sous Vide'. (Along with Thomas Keller's book.) And it re
...when there is nothing left to take away. Myhrvold seems to think the opposite is true. Did he by any chance work for Microsoft? It would explain the byzantine maze of Windows-related API's...
We have about 80 years worth of recipes based on the current oven standards.
All of them would need revisions and people who don't cook that often wouldn't be aware of why their recipe failed if they used a new style oven.
Convection is great for crispy skin, not so great for custards.
I modded my almost new dumb oven (2 knobs and indicator light) with cast iron plates about 5 millimeters thick on top and bottom, with some additional rails to quickly remove them if necessary. The heat up process is a bit slower, but overall the oven performs way better than stock one and bakes evenly.
This is thermal mass right over heaters for even roasting/baking.
If I want crust, I just pop on the ventilator in the oven for 10 minutes before done, perfect every time.
As for bread, i pop out the plates, Heat the oven and cast iron pot with lid to 260C, pop in the bread when hot and forget about it for 45 minutes.
If he wants Tech in the oven, well let's see his ideas. At friends house they bought new $INSERT_NAME oven (overpriced around 1500€) with all the bells all over, you can't even expect to turn it on without at least reading 10 pages of the 80 pages long manual. It's super energy saving design takes like 20 minutes to heat up to 200C or ~30 minutes to 250C. For the fun of it we popped in an NTC sensor to see what's going on in heat up and baking process. Nice SLOOOW and steady heat up, then we popped in a roast. Temperature dropped around 40C then heating back up for 16 minutes, overshoot set temperature by 18C, dropped back 21C under set temp and oscillated all the way to the end. All the micro controlling in there failed with REGULAR use.
With that price tag you expect at least steady even temperature, but noooo, $INSERT_NAME decided to screw the customer with poor excuse for an oven, and telling you that you baked your stuff wrong all your life, so they decided to set you straight.
If I wanted to die of waiting I would go to DMV line...
I have half-bricks on the bottom of my gas-fired oven. It bakes much more evenly and keeps the temperature very steady.
Yes, thermal mass is the ticket, not just-in-time heat control gimmicks.
I'll just rely on Chef Mike for the time being.
thanks, nathan, you scumsucking patent troll!
Has he patented it yet?
Durable goods are supposed to be durable. They are simple to be durable. Adding all these features means they will break more often, it's a foolish path IMO. I wouldn't trust a single circuit board in a oven that can reach 500F.
http://news.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]
The article footer implies that he's some kind of cooking science wizard, but I have trouble believing that Nathan Myhrvold has ever done more with an oven than toss a slab of meat in it. I'm no expert, but I've baked an awful lot of cakes, cookies, breads, and pastries, and I find this article very confusing:
Most of us bake, roast, and broil our food using a technology that was invented 5,000 years ago for drying mud bricks: the oven. The original oven was clay, heated by a wood fire. Today, the typical oven is a box covered in shiny steel or sparkling enamel, powered by gas or electricity. But inside the oven, little has changed.
Weird condescension towards "brick dryers" is a running theme of this article. To see how ridiculous this is, I invite you to consider a nineteenth century cake recipe [lonehand.com] with its many methods for determining correct oven temperature and shielding parts of the cake from the oven walls so that it bakes evenly. Turning a knob to set an arbitrary temperature, while imperfect, is a *vast* technological improvement over wood-fired ovens. (Remember: just because it's analog (or non-electronic!) doesn't mean it's not technology.) Likewise, the metal that the oven is made from represents thousands of years of technological advances in itself.
Preheating always seems to take an unreasonably long time because ovens waste most of the hot air they generate. The actual amount of energy required to reach baking temperature is quite small: Just 42 kilojoules will heat 0.14 cubic meters of air to 250 C. The heating element in a typical domestic electric oven supplies this much energy in a mere 21 seconds. Unfortunately, the heat, which originates in the heating coils of an electric oven or the burner of a gas oven, must pass through the air to get to the walls, and air is an awful conductor of heat, only slightly better than Styrofoam. Even worse, air expands when heated, so much of it flows out of the vent, heating the kitchen rather than the oven.
But the oven walls will heat the air anyway, so how much energy would we really save by heating the walls directly? Pre-heating is only a fraction of the oven's total operating time. And wouldn't an electric burner also produce radiant heat? And then a few paragraphs later:
As soon as you open the oven door to adjust or check on the food, nearly all the hot air spills out. The puny electric element or gas burner is no match for such large surges of cool air, so the temperature in the oven plummets, and it recovers slowly.
which is totally inconsistent with what he said earlier.
At 200 C or below, convection moves most of the heat. But at 400 C, radiant energy starts doing a fair amount of the heat transfer. At 800 C, radiation overwhelms convection. Why couldn't we have an oven designed to cook primarily by convection at low temperatures that switches to radiant heating for high-temperature baking?
As others have mentioned, this is a Fahrenheit/Celsius error at best and a non-sequitor at worst. The highest normal baking temperature is around 500 F (260 C) unless you're going crazy with pizza. If the article's numbers are correct, we should totally ignore radiant heating! (I don't think they are.) And I'm not clear on how the oven is supposed to "switch" to radiant heating. If the walls are hot enough to radiate, you get hot air for free. If the air is hot, it heats the sides of the oven.
Myrhvold next dives into a laundry list of suggested improvements, which fall into a few categories:
1. Stuff that already exists, but is expensive.
2. Stuff that's not done because it's too expensive and/or inconvenient.
3. Complicated gimmicks that require recipe-specific behavior.
4. Star Trek.
And you're not going to be able to stop a cook from opening the oven door on occasion
And you're not going to be able to stop a cook from opening the oven door on occasion
Personally, I haven't found the occasional door-opening to be a big deal. It is discouraged for delicate foods like cakes. But clearly we need a complicated, expensive air curtain that either runs constantly or turns on in an instant. Nobody knows how to do it and it might be more trouble than it's worth, but Myhrvold is *sure* that someone (not him) will make it work.
Siemens solved the door opening problem in a simpler/smarter way with its liftMatic ovens [siemens-home.co.uk]. These are wall mounted ovens, and instead of having a front door, you push a button that lowers the bottom and trays. They're predictably expensive.
As with most of Myrhvold's stuff, it's not so hard to blue-sky it (and take out a broad patent which covers everything while teaching nothing); it is hard to actually implement it. Take the optical sensor to detect browning. Yeah, works great... except it's got to be inside an oven. Which gets grease all over it. Grease that is not transparent.
If you want to make something practical for a residential oven, it has to work in an oven environment. Reliably. Without much maintenance.
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DEAR AMY: I am a 44-year-old with a live-in boyfriend. We get along really well, and our families have blended quite nicely. But there is one ongoing issue in our three-year relationship.
I am not comfortable with how many nights my partner spends sitting at a bar. He says he is just going for an hour or two to visit with the boys. These "boys" are all men over 50. Most of them are alcoholics. They all drink and drive on a regular basis.
I have expressed my concerns several times, and when I do he seems to go out less often but always slips back into the same pattern. He says he "only" goes three, four or five times a week. Most lunch hours he can be found at a bar, and he drinks at home daily.
I am ready to run for the hills. He thinks he and his buds are popular because every bartender/waitress knows them intimately. It makes me cringe, and I am embarrassed beyond belief. I cannot think of marrying this man (he has proposed) because of these red flags. Am I being a "nag" (his words) or a doormat? -- Sad
DEAR SAD: "Nags" nag because they feel they aren't being heard. Nagging is repetition, sometimes amplified for emphasis. I'm not sure what about this scenario makes you a doormat, unless you are comparing yourself to the mat your guy steps over on his way to and from the bar.
I venture a guess that he has been a habitual heavy drinker and barfly the entire time you've known him. If he has changed recently, then by all means ask him to change back.
However, the rest is on you. You are the person you can count on. Do you want to live like this? Do you want to live with this? If not one thing changes — or if your partner starts drinking more than he currently does — what will your choice be? He sounds like someone who might best be loved from a distance.
DEAR AMY: I screwed up badly. My wife and I have been seeing a therapist since June.
In July, I got friendly online with a married lady living overseas. What started out as innocent flirting became naughty. I was enjoying the thrill of chatting without thinking of the consequences.
My wife stumbled across something suspicious and started snooping in my e-mail account. She got hold of my chat history and confronted me for cheating on her emotionally.
My second biggest mistake was to lie to my wife and our therapist. I promised that I would mend my ways. My wife bought the argument, but I was dumb enough to offer to communicate with my overseas friend through a different e-mail address.
Two weeks later my wife confronted me with all the evidence, and now I'm ashamed of my behavior beyond words. I begged my wife for forgiveness and deleted everything related to my online activities.
My wife is deciding what to do next. She's not ready to forgive me. She says she's not ready to give me another chance just yet. What should I do to win back her trust? -- Jerk of a Husband
DEAR JERK: Stop being a jerk. Stop lying. Offer your wife complete and total transparency, online and otherwise. Explore this from every angle in therapy. After that, you can only hope that your wife chooses to trust (because trust is a choice). In her case, trust will be the ultimate triumph of faith over experience.
DEAR AMY: "Concerned Husband" wrote about his wife letting her hair go gray. She is having a hard time with other people's remarks. It can be hard to find a cheering squad for this process.
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New Corps of Engineers trial is a significant Katrina case
The federal trial over the post-Katrina flooding of the Lower 9th Ward and parts of St. Bernard Parish, set to begin Wednesday, is a significant case that could have major implications for possibly tens of thousands of homeowners.
The repaired breach in the Industrial Canal levee wall, and the barge that came through it, were photographed Sept. 12, 2005.
The suit, filed by residents whose homes flooded after the storm, alleges that pre-storm work on the nearby Industrial Canal lock compromised the canal's eastern floodwall. Attorneys for the plaintiffs argue that the corps contractor on the lock, Washington International Group Inc., removed several structures inside the canal and inadequately plugged the holes left behind. That, they say, allowed storm surge to seep beneath the floodwall, leading to its failure and the disastrous flooding that killed dozens of residents and flooded thousands of homes in that area.
The corps and the contractor argue that the 14-foot wall collapsed not because of any lock-related work, but because floodwaters overtopped the structure. Attorneys for the defendants said the waterfall of water over the wall carved a 7-foot deep ditch in the earthen levee on which the wall was built. They say that and the weight of the canal's water caused two sections of wall to fail.
U.S. District Judge Stanwood Duval Jr. will decide the case. If he agrees with the plaintiffs, the corps and the contractor would likely be held liable for damages, because the lock project is not a flood-control structure. Judge Duval has previously ruled that the corps can't be held liable for damages when flood-control projects fail.
Judge Duval already presided over a previous Katrina-related dispute between residents and the Corps of Engineers. In that case, the judge ruled in 2009 that the corps was negligent in its management of the now-closed Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet, leading to the catastrophic flooding of most of St. Bernard Parish and parts of the Lower 9th Ward. That ruling made it clear that the corps knew the navigation canal posed a threat to life and property, something the agency admitted to as early as 1988. But the corps failed to act in time to prevent the disaster.
That ruling, which was a major step in holding the corps accountable, could cost the agency as much as $20 billion. In March, a three-judge panel of the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Judge Duval's 2009 decision. The Justice Department has asked the 5th Circuit to have the appeal heard "en banc" by all 17 active appeal court's judges, but the 5th Circuit has not indicated whether it will re-hear the case.
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There's an old saying, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". The big copyright holders will always go after the highest-profile "choke points" first, and in general (i.e. when solving problems of any kind, regardless of how you feel about the studios' motives ion solving this particular "problem"), it can be a perfectly appropriate, effective strategy.
Techies often have a bad habit of adopting a sort of slippery-slope, sky-is-falling, all-or-nothing approach to problem solving (especially if it's a problem they don't really want to solve). "This proposed solution has a hole in it and is not guaranteed to be 100% effective, therefore it is no solution at all and is foolish to pursue." Not necessarily true. You don't always need to find a perfect solution; sometimes a 90% solution is good enough, especially if the alternative is sitting on your hands doing nothing wishing you had a 100% perfect solution.
(Off-topic, but to rescue my karma before I'm accused of siding with the studios here: the same thought processcan act in all sorts of other situations, not just copy protection. For example, if you suggest that a great way of reducing the threat of e-mail vuruses would be to redesign mail clients so that they don't make it easy to click on executable attachments and run them, while still allowing users to click on data attachments and view them, you'll receive all sorts of "objections" from techies who think they know better, pointing out that your solution "won't work" because of the possibility of e.g. JPEG and Word viruses.)
I also think the MPAA are becomming smarter. This quote FTA shows that they are learning from the mistakes of and bad publicity of the RIAA:
Glickman said his staff had been holding talks with Cohen even before that ruling to see "how we can work collaboratively and not be at each other's throats."
Yes, because in the eyes of non-techies (more importantly the legislature and judiciary) it emphasises the legitimicy of the non-infringing uses BitTorrent and distances the technology away from the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling regarding file-sharing.
Agree. In my business, we frequently have to rely on the 80-20 rule - solve 80% of the problem that you can with the least effort and then worry about the other 20%. This seems like what they are trying to do.
How is your business doing? I ask because either you're not using the 80/20 rule most business apply or you're doing it incorrectly. The 80/20 rule is defined as for many phenomena 80% of consequences stem from 20% of the causes. Most management apply this by focusing on the 20% of their business th
To propse that somebody's busiess will fail because they don't adhere to the intricate technicalities of a rule of thumb is preposterous.
I also think the MPAA are becomming smarter. This quote FTA shows that they are learning from the mistakes of and bad publicity of the RIAA:
Well, even most
The members of the MPAA actually make a product (of sorts) that's tangible. They aren't paying actors and writers 15 cents a movie and telling them to make it up with autograph sales and concerts. Who here can't understand why the MPAA would get pissed when the new Star Wars or Harry Potter movie is floating around the internet days before it's released? Granted, I still have issues with them (region codes come to mind), but nothing like the complete lack of respect that I have for RIAA.
Maybe their strategy is that if they can knock one or two of them off, the others will become overloaded when all BT users move to them and either become unusable, or uneconomic in bandwidth charges as traffic goes up.
Or perhaps even if they can get it down to a single choke point (e.g. Pirate Bay) that they can't close directly, they can still pressure major ISPs to block that site to their users.
Not for long now though you insensitive clod!
The highest profile 'choke points' are Pirate Bay, Torrentspy, and Mininova. Everyone I know uses these.
Don't forget isoHunt.
FYI the urls are:
You can find almost everything on those sites, including very fast legal torrents of Linux distros.
Off-topic, but to rescue my karma before I'm accused of siding with the studios here:
You know, there's nothing particularly wrong with siding with them when they're right. As the most obvious example, most of us side with any studio that comes out with a good movie on whether or not they should be able to create a good movie.
Even on the more controvertial issue of copyright infringement, and content producer's attempts to control it: the studios trying to stamp out piracy isn't a bad thing by itself, p
This is really a good thing. Now it can be claimed that Bittorrent has introduced legitimising technologies at it's core the media will probably report it as such. To the average P2Per, there is no difference and people can continue to get what t
No, as the article and you both point out it's for linking to illegal content on his own site.
If he were to be resistant to this kind of thing then it would come off as supportive of piracy and whether or not he really condoned it he would probably get shut down in court. One of the 'joys' of getting big is you have to worry about things like due diligence.
Actually, my understanding is that just the opposite is true. Napster lost in court not because they were not trying to remove copyrighted works, or because they never looked for copyrighted works on their network, but because they did look, a
I think asking the maintainer of Archie [ou.edu] to remove popular films from searches would be closer.
"Isn't this like talking to the inventor of FTP and telling him to not let you download movies from his site?"
I don't think I get your point. Are you saying that the inventor of FTP should be allowed to host movies and other IP on his site for other people to freely download? Why, because he invented a protocol? I guess you're modded at +5 insightful, so who am I to say that it's faulty logic and a bad analogy?
Changing subjects, BitTorrent was not invented as a tool for piracy and illegal downloading,
His point was that (at this point) Bram Cohen has as much control over the use of bittorrent as the creator of FTP has of the use of FTP.
Nice one, Register.BitTorrent creator Bram Cohen has agreed to strip links to pirate movies out of his bittorrent.com search engine - the outcome of talks between his company and the Motion Picture Ass. of America (MPAA).
Darth MPAA: NOOOOOOOOOO!Try this as a Google search: "Star Wars filetype:torrent"
You mean like filetype:torrent? Crap, here come the feds!
Considering that Cohen is keen to keep clean as he has a company to maintain and that the MPAA is obviosly ill-informed about what bit-torrent is and does this really is a zero impact announcement.
Zero impact? I foresee the following:
1) MPAA dumps a list of 78321 movies on Bram Cohen, telling him they want them taken out of the search immediately.
2) Bram Cohen works his ass of day and night for a week, scanning lists and running greps, in order to comply as he promised he would.
3) MPAA finds a movie he f
Why GNUnet is better?
Not saying it is or isn't, I'd just like to know why you think so. A GNUnet canononical website has a comparison chart with some other file-sharing apps but BitTorrent isn't on it.
...Cohen's engine is far from the only tool used to find pirated BitTorrent files online.
Yes, it's very far, seeing as it can't find anything without a tracker, and can't even find that by itself. He made the protocol and a client, not a web search engine!
Its a just quid-pro-quo, which I imagine works a bit like this:
I can't say I blame him. He's never condoned piracy, there's no reason for him to start now, and it's not as if he's talking about the protocol, just his search engine - which is a whole other subject.
He gets:
1: No lawsuits from the MPAA.
2: Good press to encourage his investors who don't like legal uncertainity.
Since neither of these things appear to have forced him to do things he didn't want to do otherwise, he did alright by this.
I think Cohen's reacting in part to the Grokster decision. There and in Betamax it came down to two points: whether legal uses existed and whether the maker encouraged illegal uses or not. For a while, if the RIAA tried to come after the BitTorrent protocol itself on the first point they'd've had to overcome the use of BitTorrent to distribute things like Linux distributions (which is a perfectly legal use). Now if they try to use the same arguments against Cohen that they used against Grokster, arguing he's encouraging illegal uses himself, they're going to have to overcome this contract with the MPAA that binds him to doing exactly the opposite. I think he's being a very smart cookie, looking at the legal arguments people like the RIAA might use to attack him as creator of the protocol and reference implementation and making sure he's got as many legal obstacles in any attacker's way as possible.
If graphics hackers are so smart, why can't they get the bugs out of fresh paint?


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If you want intelligent, Read War and Peace, not watch this. Don't try to pass off a couple instances of probable symbolizes and a pacifist message as intelligent. Just because one can commit their thoughts to audio, text or film does not make it intelligent.
Intelligent and philosophical are two things the Sky Crawlers is not.
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To me, the central idea is about Suito Kusanagi, rather than about the war itself. The war provided a backdrop for a series of character studies leading to an inevitable conclusion. If it's philosophy per se you're looking for, then this movie will of course disappoint — Oshii had been very tame about applying philosophy to this movie as compared to, say, Ghost in the Shell. That's why, all along, I've been describing The Sky Crawlers as his most accessible film to date — it's accessible because of its relative lack of moralising, which Oshii is usually fond of.
The "war" in this movie is peripheral. That you see it as the central theme suggests that you've entirely missed its point, so it's no wonder that you dislike it. You wanted a different movie which you didn't get, so whose fault is that? False advertising, perhaps.
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Watch it if you want to. It's okay, very laid-back type of show. Just don't expect the next epiphany on the meaning of life or whatnot. Think of it as merely entertainment and not a message.
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<---haven't watched Sky Crawlers yet
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Of course, you're welcome to disagree entirely and think that I'm a load of bollocks. That's what differences in creative opinion are all about, and I don't mind having a robust debate over interpretations. I'd merely like to point out that seeing The Sky Crawlers as nothing more than a "war-is-hell" movie will of course lead one to judge it a failure, for the very same reasons you've pointed out.
Expecting The Sky Crawlers to be a war movie is not very different from expecting Ghost in the Shell to be a manual on advanced cybernetics (which was what Masamune Shirow originally intended it to be, but Oshii happily went ahead and reinterpreted it to suit his own inflated ego).
The Sky Crawlers might be philosophical, but its message is more about existential angst — Oshii's favourite theme — rather than "war and peace".
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You're making up your own depth since the show doesn't have any at it's core. It's "you" who is thinking a show has substance when it does not. You're doing the emoting yourself since the direction can't be arsed to do it himself in his own film. "Angst" is not a substantive subject with real backstory and real consequences that this movie does not have.
It's like people think that adding cybernetics and clones and a war setting and angst wil make the show deep. They don't, since they're merely window dressing and inconsequential.
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^ That's fair enough. gaguri said he doesn't understand how something can be both aesthetically pleasing yet boring at the same time — well, Oshii proves it's possible. He consistently produces movies that look deep to some, but smell like shit to others.
So, what can I say? It's all in the eyes of the beholder. Arthouse films work the way they do because they require their audience to derive their own conclusions. What conclusions they are able to deduce in turn depends heavily on what personal experiences they can draw upon.
That's why its an incredibly self-indulgent process. High-brow "art" assumes too much from its viewers. It's like looking at a postmodern painting, filled with seemingly random splashes of ink and paint — that look like the work of a chimpanzee — and calling it art, when to most other people, it's overglorified crap.
Either way, your opinion is as valid as mine.
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P.S. Good attempt TinyRedLeaf! I also got the same message as you that the movie is anything but, "war is evil." Besides, it's always an utter waste of time at trying to convince anyone about anything just because two individual can reach to two sets of entirely different conclusion based on one set of premise. I liked it. You liked it. Lubczyk hated it. Life goes on!
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I can agree with that. Aesthetically pleasing yet boring. Yeah that's a good trade-off I guess.
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One thing that really bugged me about the movie was even though it was passing off WW2 set piece vibes with the propeller planes and war scenarios and people speaking English and Polish it had at the same time computers, real-time color news castes and tactical displays along with night vision. It's like the director wanted to make make a WW2 set piece but couldn't be arsed to do some in-depth research on the WW2 era.
Whatever plot holes or inconsistencies were possible in the WW2 vibe going on would just be explained away with genetics, color tv, computers or other technologies. Basically the director or writer wanted their cake and eat it too without putting any actual thought into making the setting stand out. All the uniforms, planes, flags and cities of both sides were some indistinguishable mishmash of German, English and other European armies of the WW2 era.
It didn't feel surreal, it felt lazy.
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Well, I finally watched it - yeah, I actually gave it a miss while it was screening here but it got 'pushed in front of me' quite literally - and well...
It could've been much worse?
Spoiler for I don't think there's any spoilers but I dunno what I'm writing so:
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Listening to the sounds on PC or a home-entertainment system doesn't do quite enough justice to the movie's aural ambience. If you had watched it in a cinema, the high-quality sound production would have been far more noticeable, trust me.
I especially loved the jazz track, Sail Away, which played during Kannami's first meeting with Fuuki (the social escort). Other evocative tracks include Adler Tag (which played during the massive air raid) and Blue Fish (Orgel) (the haunting harpischord-and-chimes track).
Finally, whenever I listen to the movie's main theme, I'm reminded of my favourite poem, W.B. Yeat's An Irish Airman Foresees His Death. The movie's main theme evokes a sense of wide-open space hiding an undercurrent of impending doom, reminiscent of that poem's dominant image: "A lonely impulse of delight/ Drove to this tumult in the clouds"
As for why the world of The Sky Crawlers uses propeller fighters instead of, say, modern-day jet figthers more congruent with the supposed existence of highly advanced communications and biological technology, I presume it's an aesthetic choice. The era — and romance — of aerial dogfighting reached its apogee in WWII, particularly during the now famous Battle of Britain, where Churchill's celebrated Few went up against the Luftwaffe juggernaut.
In contrast, the art of dogfighting is pretty much dead in today's air combat, where advanced avionics make it possible for a fighter pilot to shoot down enemies with long-ranged missiles even before he could see them. It's all very scientific and efficient, but such combat makes for very boring reality TV.
So, if a couple of hypercorporations are engaged in the business of producing entertaining reality-TV based on aerial warfare, it doesn't take a great leap of logic to see why they would choose to base the war around late WWII-era fighter planes. And who's to say that the world of The Sky Crawlers is actually set in the real-world 1940s? For all we know, time has "stopped" for this world since its equivalent of our 1940s. Since then, its technology might have progressed while its society stayed static. If you think about it, that would be in keeping with the movie's theme.
And I'm sure most people know by now that the Battle of Britain was the same inspiration for Star Wars' Battle of Yavin, featuring heroic X-Wing fighters (the Royal Air Force) versus evil Tie fighters (the Luftwaffe). If Star Wars fans don't complain about space-age fighters lacking correspondingly advanced avionics (why were pilots even necessary, for that matter; couldn't they have used droids instead?), I don't see why people complain about comparable anachronisms in The Sky Crawlers. But then, to each his own. I can't argue against personal opinion, certainly.
Contrary to the claim of lack of in-depth research, the animators imagined how an technically advanced society might have improved on these propeller designs to create even more powerful fighters, and the results were the Skyly and Sanka fighters. Notice, for example, how both fighters make use of counter-spinning duo propellers to eliminate torque pull, the same way a helicopter would.
What's the point of making a movie if you can't make your characters and props look cool (if unrealistic)?
So, I don't know what you're looking for, actually. Hyper realism in a work of fiction? Then we might as well watch a WWII documentary.
Finally, to end on a lighter note, I found these promotional skits long ago and I thought I'd share them now:
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Either way, another masterwork by Kawai.
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By Reshma Kapadia
Brazilian utilities have had a hard time of late given the government's recent efforts to rein in energy prices, denting their return prospects as their concessions come up for renewal. But Barclays analyst Francisco Navarrete writes that CPFL Energia's (CPL) stock, down 12% while the market has been flat, may have priced in the bad news. As a result, he raised his rating on the stock from underweight to equal weight.
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The exercise of discipline is never an easy matter. Because of the painful nature of the process, there is the temptation to put as much distance as possible betoeen yourself and the person receiving the discipline. Written, as opposed to verbal, communication can be a less directly confrontational route, and hence more appealing. Where the tongue might get away from us in a face-to-face exchange, a letter permits a certain degree of perspective and objectivity. But avoidance of a face-to-face encounter can leave one open to the charge of cowardice--a charge that Paul tackles head-on in chapter 10: I, Paul, who am "timid" when face to face with you, but "bold" when away! Paul is quoting the opposition, as the quotation marks around the terms timid and bold indicate (NIV, Phillips, REB). The word for timid (tapeinos) is commonly used in Hellenistic Greek to indicate a low social status, but it can also refer, as here, to the cringing, subservient attitude that sometimes accompanies humble circumstances. The Living Bible's "afraid to raise his voice when he gets here" catches the thought. But when Paul addresses the Corinthians at a distance (in writing), he becomes "bold." Tharreo (bold) was used earlier to speak of Paul's cheerfulness in the face of death (5:6, 8) and his confidence in the Corinthians (7:16). In this verse it connotes self-confidence or self-assurance of an unwarranted kind. In essence, Paul's critics are saying that he talks big in his letters (e.g., the severe letter) but is weak-kneed in person (e.g., the painful visit).
Indeed, in the minds of Paul's critics to resort to the pen is to live by the standards of this world (v. 2). The phrase is literally "to walk according to the flesh." "Walk" (peripateo) is one of Paul's favorite expressions to describe the Christian life (it occurs thirty-one times). Here it denotes a settled pattern of behavior. This pattern of behavior is described as "flesh," a term that ranges in meaning from what is physical, mortal or human to what is sinful or even sexual in nature. In this context it refers to a purely human way of doing things--which, for Paul's opponents, amounted to a weak way of doing things. They, by contrast, claimed to be spiritual people, boasting of their extraordinary experiences ("visions and revelations," 12:1) and Spirit-empowered ministry ("signs, wonders and miracles," 12:12). This would appeal to a congregation like Corinth, whose members thought they had arrived spiritually (they are "full," "rich," even "kings"--1 Cor 4:8). Paul's critics also asserted that he adopted human strategies of warfare (wage war as the world does, 10:3). Strateuomai means "to advance" with an army or fleet (Liddell, Scott and Jones 1978). His rivals claimed to fight with the armies of the Spirit, while Paul, they maintained, relied purely on ineffective, beggarly methods and resources to carry out his ministry.
Cowardly, weak and ineffectual--not an appealing pastoral portrait by any stretch of the imagination, and one that Paul dismisses out of hand. His introductory statement deserves careful attention. He begins with a warning. Yet it is a warning phrased in terms of a request, rather than a command: I appeal to you . . . that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be (vv. 1-2). The verb (parakaleo) is one commonly used by someone who has the authority to command but chooses not to.
Paul makes his request by the meekness and gentleness of Christ. At first glance this phrase seems out of sync with the forcefulness of what follows. But then Paul has been accused of "trying to frighten" the Corinthians with his letters (v. 9). So he takes pains to reassure his readers that he approaches them as Christ himself would. The adjectives are close synonyms. Meekness (praytes) is descriptive of a gentle and friendly disposition, as opposed to a rough and hard one (Hauck and Schulz 1968:645-46; compare Mt 11:29, "for I am gentle and humble in heart"). Gentleness (epieikeia; only here and in Acts 24:4 in the New Testament) translates a term that denotes the yielding or forbearing disposition of those in positions of power--the judge who is lenient in judgment and the king who is kind in his rule (Bauder 1976:256; compare Phil 4:5, "let your forbearance [epieikes; NIV `gentleness'] be evident to all"). Paul is gentle and forbearing as he approaches the Corinthians.
Even so, this disposition does little to blunt the sternness of the warning that follows. Next time around Paul will exercise the discipline that he has been avoiding: when he comes, he expects to be bold (v. 2). Although his critics accuse him of being weak-kneed in person, Paul promises that he will be bold, if need be, on his next visit. Two terms describe the kind of boldness he will show. It will be, first, a self-assured boldness (tharresai tepepoithesei)--or, as the Jerusalem Bible translates, "with confident assurance." It will also be a courageous boldness. The verb tolmao (missing in the NIV) means "to exhibit courage or daring" and is used of the confidence proper to those who are sure of their ground (Motyer 1975:365).
Paul's boldness will be directed on his next visit against some who think that he lives by worldly standards. The fact that he does not say "some of you" suggests that he is directing his comments at those who were intruding themselves into the Corinthian community. These meddlers remain unnamed throughout--although their opinions are quite explicitly named. They appear to be itinerant Jewish-Christian preachers who encroached on Paul's territory and claimed credit for his work. They disparaged him for refusing financial support from his churches (1 Cor 9:3-18; 2 Cor 12:13), not carrying letters of recommendation (2 Cor 3:1-3), being unsuccessful in reaching his own people (3:14--4:4) and being an unimpressive speaker (10:10-11). They flaunted their achievements, claiming a superior heritage to Paul's (11:22) and boasting of greater spirituality ("visions and revelations," 12:1; "signs, wonders and miracles," 12:12), knowledge (11:6) and speaking ability (10:10; see the introduction).
The verb translated think (logizomai) appears toice in verse 2. It means "to draw a logical conclusion" from a given set of facts (Eichler 1978:822-23). From the fact that Paul seemed to talk big in his letters yet had refrained from exercising discipline in person, his opponents drew the conclusion that he operated according to fleshly (that is, weak and ineffectual), not spiritual standards.
Paul accepts this estimate, to a point. "We do live in the flesh [en sarki]," he admits (in the world, v. 3). The change in preposition is crucial. His sphere of activity is indeed "the flesh"--the everyday world of human existence with all its limitations, frustrations, trials and tribulations. But while Paul lives out his life in the ordinary, mundane sphere of human existence, this does not mean that he conducts his affairs according to the flesh (kata sarka)--that is, as the world goes about things (by the standards of this world, v. 2). Nor does he wage war according to the flesh (kata sarka--as the world does, v. 3).
During the latter years of the Great Depression, the American people were faced with mobilizing themselves for a second world war. They rationed their butter, meat, gasoline and other basic items. With the money they had left after purchasing the necessities of life, they paid wartime taxes and bought war bonds to provide even more funds for mobilization. They also sent hundreds of thousands of their finest youth abroad. It was a massive effort, involving great sacrifices and a tremendous expenditure of resources (Waldrop 1984:42). Paul pictures himself as involved in a similar war effort. In his case, however, the battle is being fought on a spiritual front. And spiritual warfare requires spiritual weaponry, which Paul readily deploys. What distinguishes his weapons from those of the world can be summed up in one word--power (dynatos). The weapons Paul fights with have divine power and, as a result, can accomplish what the world's weapons cannot (demolish stongholds, v. 4). Paul does not identify these weapons here. But they certainly would include "the Holy Spirit," "sincere love," the true message and divine power (6:6-7). He may also have in mind "truth," "righteousness," "the gospel of peace," "faith," "salvation" and "the Spirit," put forward as the Christian's armor in Ephesians 6:13-17.
Paul's weapons are effective in doing too things. They can, in the first place, demolish strongholds (v. 4). Ochyrwma is a military term for a "fortified place" (Heidland 1967b:590; Malherbe 1983:147). The picture is of an army attacking and tearing down the fortified defenses of the enemy. In the ancient world a prosperous city would build not only a stout wall for its security but also, somewhere inside the wall, a fortified tower that could be defended by relatively few soldiers if the walls of the city were breached by an enemy. Once the stronghold was taken, the battle was over (Carson 1984:47). In ancient times this was commonly accomplished through a variety of siege machines, the most common being battering rams, mobile towers, catapults for throwing darts and the ballistae for throwing stones (Stern 1976). The strongholds that Paul's weapons lay siege to are arguments and every pretension (v. 5). Logismous are reasonings that take shape in the mind and are then worked out in life as action (Heidland 1967a:286; Malherbe 1983:147). Hypsoma epairomenon ("raised ramparts") are human "pretensions" (NIV) or "arrogances" (JB, TEV, REB, NEB, RSV, NRSV) that have built fortresses with high towers aimed at repelling attacks by the knowledge of God (v. 5; Malherbe 1983:147).
Such efforts, however, are to no avail. For Paul's weapons not only can demolish strongholds (v. 4) but can also take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ (v. 5). The verb aichmalwtizw means "to take a prisoner of war" (Kittel 1964a:195). Paul pictures human thoughts as captured enemy soldiers. Once a city's defenses had been breached and its fortified places destroyed, conquered soldiers were taken in tow as prisoners of war. In the Roman triumphus, the prisoners were paraded through the streets of Rome (see commentary on 2:14-16). Paul's objective, however, is not to put human reasonings and pretensions on public display but to take captive every thought for obedience to Christ (v. 5).
What does this mean today? We live at a time when the mind is deemphasized and the needs of the individual elevated--so much so that our generation has been dubbed "the me generation." By contrast, Paul affirms that the mind matters. Indeed, it is so crucial that he focuses all his efforts on taking every thought captive and making it obey Christ. Alister McGrath has written that the future of evangelicalism lies in the forging of rigorous theological foundations and intellectual credibility (1995:18). For this to happen, Christ must reign supreme in our minds.
So, far from being the spiritual wimp that his critics in Corinth make him out to be, Paul has at his disposal a divine arsenal, which he will use on his next visit to punish every act of disobedience (v. 6). The term ekdikeo means "to take vengeance for" or "punish" something--the something in this case being disobedience (parakoe). The noun parakoe (literally, "to hear aside") denotes a stubborn unwillingness to hear what is said and to act on it. The Corinthian intruders are primarily in view here--although any lingering dissenters at Corinth are not excluded. Their disobedience is not their unwillingness to bend the knee to Paul's authority but their attempt to subvert the gospel. "I am afraid that . . . your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ," Paul says (11:3).
What the punishment will involve is left unstated. But Paul will be able to carry it out once the Corinthians' obedience is complete. Only with the church as a whole behind him can Paul operate from a position of strength against his critics. But once he has their support, his troops stand at the ready to be deployed (en hetoimo echontes--"will be ready").
This is the reason for Paul's tough talk in his letters. By adopting a stern approach, he hopes to avoid acting as the disciplinarian in person--not because he is intimidated by the Corinthians but because he loves them. We always make the effort to avoid causing grief or pain to those we love. In many ways it is easier to bear hurt ourselves than to watch the suffering of someone we care about. Paul was no different. The severe letter he wrote to the church caused him great distress and anguish of heart (2:4). But he wrote it so that when he was next with them, he might be a source of joy (2:1-3) and love (2:4), rather than a cause of pain.
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@Chaos: To be honest, his name didn't ring a bell to me either but here's a list of some of his works.
My pull list
Vae Victis.
Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit.
oh! he did colder, thats pretty cool
"If you really loved me you'd all kill yourselves right now" -Spider Jerusalem
@Chaos: Oh yes! That's the only reason I know his name. He actually sent me about a paragraph response to an e-mail I sent. In it he also praised Juan's artwork which was cool. He came off as a level-headed, appreciative guy.
Edit: Anyone here have any experience writing letters that convey disappointment, seething rage, disgust, etc.?
Sorry to double post, but I wanted to keep this thread alive and give you all an update. Don't forget, this is one way for us to influence the medium we so dearly love. Dave Hine from Stormdogs sent me a two sentence response and said to keep an eye out for it in issue four. XD I'm pretty psyched.
I feel bad for the Deadpool guys because everyone just write in saying that they suck at writing and that they don't like their comic.
I might write in to Spidey, Deadpool, or X-Men, I'll tell you guys if I get a response.
@Cameron: Really? For the Marvel Now plain ol' Deadpool title? The fan letters I read in the back of issues 2-4 (I think) were all positive, I believe. You could write to all three. :-) Definitely keep us posted! I still need to write to Thor: God of Thunder to meet my monthly goal.
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Edit 2(04-04-13) : Wrote to Batman and Robin and Avengers creative teams.
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Skip to comments.FBI Plants Sham Candidate in W.Va. Race
Posted on 12/02/2005 8:45:17 PM PST by SmithL
Charleston, W.Va. -- Thomas Esposito's campaign for the Legislature seemed to be following the usual pattern. The longtime Democratic mayor issued press releases, raised money and bought newspaper ads. Signs bearing his name popped up in yards around rural Logan County.
But less than a month before the May 2004 primary election, Esposito dropped out, saying he had to withdraw because of his ailing mother-in-law.
The real reason surfaced only later: The FBI had planted Esposito among the field of candidates to help find evidence of vote-buying in southern West Virginia.
Federal prosecutors say the gambit worked.
They allege Esposito gave $2,000 in government-supplied money to a resident who had offered to bribe voters on his behalf.
They also credit the undercover sting operation for last year's guilty pleas by the sheriff of Logan County and the police chief in the coal-mining city of Logan, who both admitted to election violations.
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Pageant crowns Miss West Virginia USA & Miss Teen West Virginia
And, of course, the democrats will deny election cheating by their operatives, even when they are caught in the act.
Nor is it a coincidence that this has taken place in West Virginia. Vote buying? Please. You could bring such charges in any major city in America, particularly in the minority areas. Can you imagine the outrage if the FBI put up a fake black candidate in D.C.? They can only get away with it in West Virginia because of decades of demonization that has led to places like West Virginia and the people who live there being considered to be lesser citizens, hell lesser humans, than other people. As if to drive home the point, one editorial in Slate even managed to work in the word "Deliverance" into its title.
I guess a vote buying sting should be conducted in a year with no elections?
You could bring such charges in any major city in America, particularly in the minority areas.
Exactly. So much for that prop you call democracy. Until we stop vote fraud in America we don't have a democracy. If only real votes were counted in 2000 Bush would have won Wisconsin and New Mexico, not to mention Florida by a cheat proof margin.
I'm am very much supportive of this. However, LE should be able to do so without distorting the election process.
West Virginia has been a Rat election fraud stronghold at least since they fixed the election of Kennedy there in '60.
Also this shows that there are sections of FBI that are not politically controlled by the Rats. What is not commonly considered is how lefties have infiltrated the alphabet agencies and subverted them from constitutional duty to political duty. Here the FBI adapted to entrenched Rat corruption, and got around local control of investigations and prosecutions. One interesting quote was: if Esposito were to become a candidate for elective office, a virtual treasure trove of evidence could result. More evidence=more patriot act warrants. This might be the first episode in a series.
This also speaks to the mistake W made in not cleaning out the alphabet agencies in 2001, as there are factions attempting to cover this sort of fraud rather than prosecute it.
I'm not sure this is way over the line. If whistleblowers are giving info that there is fraud and corruption in our political system there must be a way to clean house.
Innocent players have nothing to worry about. It's about time corrupt individuals doing the people's business be sent home if they are more concerned with self interest. JMHO
I'd be concerned about Republican vote fraud too. It's just that at least 95% of the fraud is Dems.
If this was fake Republican candidate (and a criminal coerced to run by a plea bargain, no less) that sucked up 2000 votes this board would be outraged, and rightfully so.
You've got to reread that article: But less than a month before the May 2004 primary election, Esposito dropped out, saying he had to withdraw because of his ailing mother-in-law.
He didn't suck up any votes.
Innocent players have nothing to worry about.
These people actively disenfranchise their fellow americans.
Let's see some frogmarching!!!!
While I appreciate that he dropped out, an election is not only determined on election day or even a month out. Elections are affected by all the politics involved during the campaign.
Who runs, who supports whom, who works for whom, who contibutes to what campaign, etc. are all dynamic factors affecting an election.
Running the mayor as a bogus candidate distorted the election. It is a matter of degree just how much. What I'm objecting to is this distortion. I would like the FBI to catch crooks with the minimal possible effect on the lawful election process.
Which distortion is larger, vote buying or running a fake candidate during the primaries?
How else does one catch corruption of this nature? How about the FBI going up to a legitimate candidate and entrapping them into buying votes?
The least he could have done was to offer some of the money to Robert KKK Byrd. I'm certain he woudl hvae taken it.
False choice, but running a fake candidate could easily be the correct answer.
How else does one catch corruption of this nature?
By means that have less negative cost. A fake drug buyer sting is one thing, but a fake candidate for the legislature is another.
How about the FBI going up to a legitimate candidate and entrapping them into buying votes?
That would be a better method.
I'm from Texas, vote buying is widespread, common and well known in some areas. The problem here, and I imagine elsewhere, is not lack of evidence or witnesses, but lack of honest LE at the local and state level.I really don't think the Feds would have to run a fake candidate or entrap a real one. Surveilance and good basic investigation and evidence gathering would work.
thanks for your reply..
That would be a better method.
The problem is you'd have to hit all the candidates. It wouldn't be fair otherwise. And wouldn't it be embarrassing to indict all the candidates before an election? Wouldn't that be a bigger distortion?
I'm from Texas, vote buying is widespread, common and well known in some areas.
I'm from Chicago where vote buying is cheaper because the dead don't charge much :^)
I said it would be a better method, not the best.
I'm not a fan of stings in most cases anyway, but I would guess the act would have to be completed, indictment likely after the election.
I'm still voting for old fashioned investigation, interrogation, evidence gathering...
I would dearly love for vote fraud to be discovered and prosecuted severely; running a fake candidate is just not the way, IMHO.
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MANSFIELD, CT - Following a 1-1 draw after 110 minutes of intense women's soccer action at the Mansfield Outdoor Complex, the University of Massachusetts Boston outscored Eastern Connecticut State University, 3-1, in a penalty kick tiebreaker to advance to its first ever Little East Conference Championship game to be played on Sunday, November 8 at a site to be determined. UMass converted three of its four penalty kicks while Eastern missed three of its four attempts. With the tie, the Beacons are now 13-4-4 on the season while the Warriors remain unbeaten, standing at 15-0-4, but fail to advance and defend their 2009 LEC tournament title.
The Warriors, who won the coin toss and elected to kick second, fell behind 1-0 when junior forward Kristin Mulry (Holbrook, MA) buried her attempt to the upper right corner of the net for UMass Boston. Eastern Connecticut State sophomore forward Chelsea Downer (Colchester, CT) evened the score at 1-1 in extra kicks with a low, hard strike to the bottom left hand corner of the net. Both teams missed their second attempts as Warriors junior keeper Theresa Pagnozzi (Waterford, CT) made a beautiful diving save to her left to give the home squad a bit of a momentum swing but that momentum shifted right back to the Beacons when freshman goalkeeper Katie Coscia (Pittsfield, MA) stonewalled ESCU freshman midfielder Taylor Buchanan (Ellington, MA) to keep the shootout locked at 1-1. It was sweet revenge for Coscia who earlier in the season surrender three goals to Buchanan in Eastern Connecticut's 3-0 victory over UMass Boston on October 2. Up next for the Beacons, junior midfielder Molly Kuchar (Ashville, NC) riffled a shot right through Pagnozzi to give the visitors the 2-1 edge which would prove to be all they'd need. The Warriors sent junior midfielder Jo-Ann Merheb (Bethel, CT) to the line to try and knot the kicks at 2-2 but Merheb's shot ricocheted of the crossbar and back into play to help the Beacons maintain a 2-1 advantage. Freshman midfielder Samantha Cristoforo (Rockland, MA) made it a 3-1 advantage with a strike just inside the right post putting the pressure on Eastern Connecticut's final two kickers, forcing them to make both attempts to keep the match alive. Sophomore defender Rachel Cutler's (Guilford, CT) attempt was right at Coscia who made the save to propel UMass Boston to its first ever Little East Conference Championship appearance.
The game appeared to be all but over for the Beacons who trailed 1-0 late in the second half but found a way to even the score. With 2:34 remaining in regulation, Mulry was able to coral a bounding ball in the midfield and from about 25 yards out, fire away a high-arching shot towards the Warriors goal. Pagnozzi was caught off her line and the ball bounced over the keeper, onto the goal line and into the net to even the game at 1-1 and force the overtime frames. The score was Mulry's ninth tally on the season and her 40th career goal.
One minute into the first overtime, the Warriors had a chance to end the match but Buchanan's uncontested shot from 12 yards out in space sailed wide right. Later in the first extra frame with less than one minute left, Buchanan took a free kick from just outside the box that she hammered right in Coscia's arms.
UMass Boston nearly won the match five minutes into the overtime session, but Eastern freshman back Megan Godwin (Manchester, CT) cleared a rolling ball off the line that resulted when Pagnozzi could not hold onto the ball after meeting Mulry at a loose ball scrum in the box.
In a game played in steady rain and on a slick artificial surface, Eastern had taken a 1-0 lead in the 75th minute when J. Merheb beat Coscia from in close on a cross from senior back Lauren Hickey (Southwick, MA). ECSU Sophomore midfielder Kelly Wallace (South Windsor, CT) started the play by gaining possession in the middle of the field and sending the ball to Hickey on the right wing. Hickey carried it toward the end line before feeding Merheb in the middle of the box for her fifth goal of the season. The score ended Coscia's scoreless minutes streak at 514:39, a new program record spanning over six matches, topping the mark set last season by Jessica Penta at 509:28.
Coscia ended the match with nine saves for UMass Boston while Pagnozzi registered five in between the pipes for ECSU.
With the draw, the Warriors extend their unbeaten match streak to 19 games but Eastern Connecticut State, who is ranked eighth in the most recent national poll and first in the New England region, will now have to wait to hear for an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament to extend its season.
The Beacons, who fell to the Warriors by a 4-0 score in last year's semifinals, will now anxiously await to see whom their opponent in Sunday's final will be as the other semifinal matchup between the second seeded Western Connecticut State University Warriors and the third seeded Keene State College Owls was postponed to Friday afternoon due to unplayable field conditions this afternoon in Danbury, CT.


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Gladys Swindler, Department of Informatics faculty member, and her MIS 101 students were recognized for making an amazing contribution to the Tiger Food Exchange during this Thanksgiving season. They donated 2,032 food items to the pantry, which according to Brendon McCampbell, Student Coordinator for Food and Hunger Initiatives, has more than tripled the pantry's stock! This food pantry is a great asset to students and it has greatly benefitted from this amazing donation.
The Tiger Food Exchange is located in the north corner of Forsyth Library, to the immediate right upon entering the main area of the first floor. The Tiger Food Exchange is not only just a food pantry but is also a place to promote food culture, knowledge, sharing, and awareness. The pantry is currently stocked with over 2,600 food items available to those in need.
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Two gatherings have been planned by the Randolph County Central Democratic Committee.
According to Sue Fennel, chairperson, on Tuesday , there will be a chili and homemade pie meal served from 11 a.m. until 7 p.m. at the headquarters, 509 West Reed Street, in downtown Moberly. Candidates will be present throughout the day. Those attending may eat in or carry-outs are available.
Everyone is invited to come and enjoy the meal, make new friends and see old friends. Proceeds will go toward activities.
Then on Oct. 18th, there will be a "Meet and Greet" event featuring Diana Scott, sixth district Democratic candidate, from 5 to 7 p.m. at the Demo headquarters.
Diana, who is from Macon County, will speak at 6 p.m.
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Adam Scott is feeling more confident of winning the Open this year after playing less tournaments in the build-up to the event.
The Australian threw away his opportunity of winning the claret jug in 2012 at Royal Lytham by throwing away a four point lead on the last four holes to Ernie Els, but comes into this year's Championship having broken his duck at Majors, after winning the US Masters in April.
He has been practicing hard at Muirfield this week, and is more hungry than ever to win the tournament, which starts on Thursday.
"This really has been the tournament I have been looking forward to most this year, there's no doubt, for obvious reasons," Scott told the Guardian.
"After what happened at Lytham I was eager to get back and try to get in another position to win a Claret Jug.
"I got up here last Tuesday evening and I spent the week playing out there, which was really enjoyable. We had weather like this every day and I just watched the course firm up throughout the week and I tried to get my game adjusted to these conditions."
The 32-year-old believes that keeping himself fresher for this year's Championship will stand him in good stead when he tees off on Thursday.
"Coming early and playing a lot on the course that we're going to play, and learning it, has been important for me. I want to feel comfortable when I am on every tee throughout the week, in any condition.
"I'm enjoying practising more because I also believe that for my swing and my short game to hold up for four days of major pressure, I need to put in more time practising than playing tournaments. So I play less and the last couple of years have shown good results, much more consistent results in major tournaments."
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Dr. Pope inspired Art Young and the two made many early-day hunts with bow and arrow. Dr. Pope wrote one of the first books really explaining modern-day bowhunting, titled "Bowhunting with a Bow and Arrow." Dr. Pope was born in 1875 and died in 1927. Art Young was one of the first men to bowhunt Alaska, and he did so while be filmed for early documentaries.


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On Monday, the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan began. Of course, with all the partisan rabble-rousing in Washington, it's no surprise that both Democrats and Republicans respond passionately to the nomination of a neophyte (albeit one with a hefty resume). Conservatives rally around Kagan's lack of experience as a judge—Sen.