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fan report 6/25, 26, 27 Osaka
27th-Jun-2010 08:14 pm
Okay. Just got back from 4 cons in a row. I coudn't go to the last one because I didn't have tickets (they were too expensive!!!)
WARNING: These comments are just things I happen to remember. I didn't take any notes, so i don't remember everything. And I tried to type as fast as I could on a friend's chinese comp so there are a lot of typos. SORRY!
WARNING 2: Also, a lot of what I wrote is based on my thoughts. Meaning, what I write could hurt people's feelings. If you are worried that may happen, please do not proceed.
WARNING 3: Contained within this report is a lot of fangirling. It may or may not make sense.
Next thing, a bit intro so people understand where I am coming from. I have been at KAT-TUN fan for 5 years. In particular a Jin fan. My first con was Mie earlier this year. During Mie, I had eye to eye contact with Maru and have since fallen in love with Maru (and everyone else again) Hoshi is my Japanese friend who got me tickets to all these cons!!
A few pictures:
picture from C3
Made a Maru fan since Jin's not there. There were a few Jin fans though!
America REPRESENT!!!
uchiwas are hand made. i made 2 uchiwas x2. Total 13 hours.
Now without further ado:
6/25 stood in C3
to say that i actually cried today was one thing that i wasn't expecting at all. let's see where to start
the day started with running into hoshi and not expecting to leave right away but to invite her into the house and chill for a bit. after that then we arrived at the hotel in one piece and started getting ready. after we ready, then we left for the concert.
got therer around 5:15 and were actually kind hesistant because weren't sure if we should have went t buy goods for to jus wait in line. we were numbers 91 92 in line. kinda worried at first because there were people in there that werent supposed to be up there that front. called in numbers from 1-5 and so on.
stood about 3rd line in the C3 section. the BEST SECTION. at first, kinda worried because we were all standing the whole time and didnt know if KAT-TUN would be able to see us. no center stage, which was surprising. not what we were expecting
started off with them coming in on the tall platform. then that tall platform started to move across towards us in the back. when it reached us, it started to lower and we were soon the SAME EXACT level as KAT-TUn. they started making their way towards the little pushing carts were they would eventually use maybe 4-5 times through the con. with mbeing in the third row, i wasnt expecting to touch them for seriously they were SO CLOSE. wayyy to close than i was expecting them to be. many times i reached for them, but failed horribly. the first in front were TOOOOOO lucky!!!! i wanted to be there instead.
one girl actually hooked onto kame and wouldnt let go. once kame actually got his hand free, he stopped turning towards us in the carts. :(
during rescue, the fire was messing with the sound system, so it was actually quite weird. wasnt the best sound quality
so tiring to have to stand for the entire time!!!!
maru doesnt sing his entire solo. kinda disappointed.
ueda...i remember in mie he had a dance section, but this time he didnt have a dance section. they actually cut off things from other cons, kinda disappointing. (hoshi said later that what I was thinking of was the rescue dance solo)
saw kame's back in very good view. there are actually little specs on the back. could be freckles.
ueda's skin is AMAZING
kame usually had a drum solo, but this time he had a guitar solo. but i wouldnt really calll that a solo. it was actually pretty badly played. just kinda improved what he wanted to do. then all of a sudden it cut into koki's solo. and during the whole time, kame would play guitar during the back of koki's solo. koki played the guitar too. i dont think he did that last time......
junno's solo was just regular.
still bitter that i didnt get to touch any of them. hoshi touched 3/5 of them! seriosuly were expecting the seats to be that gooooddddd!!!!!
during mc they introduced the kansai jrs. didnt really care. also discussed about soccer, how the name of question? became the name of the group. johnny couldnt think of what to name them. story courtesy of kame. t or f don't know lol
didnt really understand the MC but during that time, i just thought to myself how it was so tiring having to stand for the entire time and my knees and heels were really hurting.
maru saw my fan, but he didnt do anything about it. but i think we eyed to eyed again. HAHAHA.
UEDAA and his HAIR. OMG. THE CUTEST THING EVERRRRRR. ueda is really cute. i really think the style he is sporting now is a lot better than his black hair years ago.
during maru's medical service, kame said that kame should actually fix the sensei this time instead of getting kame treatment. maru didnt really know how to respond but kame kept pressing for it. haha he started to giggle in the end/
kame solo was just mama. not really a fan of him, and i never really liked the song, so whatever
when they were saying goodbye for the first time, it was mecha depressing!!! a mixture of omg, my dream of seeing them for 5 years finally came true. yeah, i saw them at mie, but it doesnt really count since they were so far. SO SEE KAT-TUN IN FRONT OF ME SOOOOO CLOSE!!! CENTIMETERS AWAY. and think that was really got ME!! and on top of that i was just thinking how far i have really come. really, ive come so far. 5 years. and then even though i will be seeing them again tomorrow, i dont know after this series of concerts, when will i see them again. it really is quite amazing what idols can do to people. and then i just thought to myself i have to get C3 seats again for the sunday con. this is what happens. when people get spoiled they just want more and more. satisfaction can never really happen. and that is what sucks about life. and then KAT-TUN is really my life.
tomorrow i will be seeing them again. it really is hard to imagine that they have been such a big part of my life for so long. i really want to go to tokyo!!! i am at the point where i feel like im willing to just screw everything/
there wasnt anybody behind me, so then i was able to dump my stuff on the ground and then move on from there and go around. there are nice and mean jaapnese fangirls. nices ones we took pictures with. they were really happy because i spoke english and they asked us who we were fans of. they were fans of kame
they actually spent a lot of their time going around the side of the stadium and less time in the center. dont kow if buying that many tickets in the center were that good or not.
then they came out and sang the encore. and sang smil.e that is such a good song, but such a sad one. and then we were screaming encore again and again louder and louder and they sang going again for us!!! then we ended up screaming mou ikai. but then they started announcing the order of everyone going out of the stadium. haha. but bfore they sang going again, koki came out and kept asking if we reallly reallly realllly want to do it. and that was dirty according to hoshi. hahahaha. XDD sa.
yeah it was really hard cuz they did all of their solos in the main stage.
no lips. whys that.....
real face one drop tocchu no voice.
6/26 14:00 con and 18:00 con mixed together. stood in A2 and B4.
maru saw my fan again
had eye to eye contact with koki when i was holding my america fan
ueda flew by at the end
kame lipsynches his solo which is a bit of a disappointment
girl in front of me is actually a lot older than i was expecting her to be. basically if i called her an obasan, it would actually be okay.
made a mistake today and left too late for the place. so then ended up only standing in the second row.
maru was too far away from me most of the time to see my fan.
being right next to the platform isnt exactly the best thing cuz they are just too high up there for me to enjoy anything.
koki stripped his coat right after the first song, and threw it to the crowd.
to stand from the A2 section was really something. i got to see them really close for the entire concert. and on top of that they were actually there.
koki had the balloon pop on him for the first time this con series.
kame hinted that they would be having stuff going on really fast starting from now on, so then that he'll take everyone with him
maru actually doesnt lipsynche that many songs. sing a lot of them live actually. i wonder which ones he actually sings live
junno lipsynches. its just too obvious.
it was WAYYYYY too obvious that they were looking at the screen while singing the special melody. during this section they sing one song that is their old songs, and then another song of their senpais. but to have them look at a screen with the lyrics is just too much! its their own song too. senpai songs came with dances, so that's why they ended up remember the lyrics to that.
junno actually came to our section quite a lot.
maru saw me and my fan again!!
eye to eye contact with kame
ueda never looked our way. i noticed he doesn't really know how to have eye to eye contact with people. in these 5 cons, i've never had eye to eye contact with him yet.
koki is still very hot
kame was on marus neck for maybe three seconds or so during maru's clinic. of course everyone went crazy!!! :) (this goes along with kame's vampire theme)
ueda needs to stop touching himself during his solo. it is wayyyy tooooo hoT!!
there was a tall fat chinese kame fan blocking my view the entire time
they didnt reach out and touch us at all while we were in B4 section. but to have them in their carts passing us so many times it def wonderful.
uedas legs are so fine and skinny
when the were singing rodhesia they kept forgetting the lyrics so they had to look down
probably only junno and koki knew the lyrics
maru is still just as cute
came out for another encore but tricked us. told us to go home and get massages. had to make them come out again. sang going again
during the second con, kame tripped on his solo. it was after he threw his cape on the ground and then he might have tripped on that. it was quite a fall too. he took him a while to recover..maybe 2-3 seconds. a girl next to be screamed daijoubu to encourage him on. i thought that was very nice of them. ^_^
ended at 4:45 and 8:30.
6/27 stood in A4
Note, my birthday is on Thursday, so I figured since it's only a few days away, and since this was my own present to myself, I had a uchiwa that said "today is my birthday". This is important for what happens!!!!!!
KAT-TUN came out again and i felt like crying yet again. sat in A4, with very center seats in the back of the row. this is where kame would stand at the end of the concert.
when KAT-TUN came out, I made sure to but my kyou tanjoubi fan out and i'm pretty sure kame saw it at that time.
kame and maru did bonnie butterfly. so happy that maru is such a good replacement for jin in that song. sooooo natsukashiiiii!!!
maru's answer is still just a beautiful. am sad i won't see him perform that again. most likely won't come out in dvd either... darn tokyo dome.
koki is stilllllll SOOOO HOTTTTT with pierrot!! :) i can't believe that guy
junno for sure lipsynches his solo.
ueda is still just cute as ever.
MC went on for a LOTTTT longer than expected.
towards the end kame was standing right in front of me. i kept screaming his name, thinking he didnt hear me. we didn't even have special eye contact today. i even screamed kame daisuki, and i didn't expect that he heard that. but i know that for sure he saw my uchiwa. at the end of the con, he threw the towels towards my direction. i of course got a bit of it, and so did like 10 other people. got trampled on, my legs have scratches, my hair was stepped on and everything. at that moment in time i thought many things. 1) hoshi is a much bigger fan of kame's than i am. what am i doing. if i let go, hoshi will be able to have it. 2) HOLY FUCK IT HURTS 3) I CAN'T SEE THE END OF THE CONCERT everyone is on top of me!! MARUU!! KAMEEE!!! NOOOOO!!! 4) my nails are going to get chipped!!! so then i let go, the BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE!! i swear that is the biggest mistake i've ever made. i look around and try to find hoshi, but cannot. then i still see her in the crowd and she's holding on with all her might. and i say ganbare hoshi!!! and she got HALF the towel to herself. of course at this time, i start crying my eyes out because i let go and didn't get any chunk of it!!! T_T and then also because i won't be able to see KAT-TUN again if we continue like this. actually very very worried i won't be able to. and that it was KAME'S gift to me and that I DIDN"T GET IT! cry cry cried for so long. hoshi said that she'll give me a piece and i asked for the N and she said that is too big of a piece. :(
didn't make eye contact with anybody else, but that's okay. it was just such a great concert! i really want to go to tokyo dome!!!!!!!! T_T
kame did well on his solo. and he kept saying sensei sensei to nakamaru!!! SO CUTE.
nakamaru doesn't like his white tennis shoes very much. he always changes it to come out for the encore. i wonder why that this. w/e his brown boots look very stylish.
nakamaru also wore these very nice jeans with glittery stuff on the side during his solo. i especially liked those pair of jeans. don't like this red smile pants though that he wears during MC.
kame's smiling face is really cute. teeth are very white. and no cavities on his top teeth! except for maybe a small one on the left hand side. he is just so gorgeous up close. i really should have just held on with all my might!!!
junno announced that he is going to be in a movie. also something about giving one of the juniors a watch but according to hoshi, he can't give it. it was also pictured in a picture on his girlfriend's blog. didn't even know he had a girlfriend until yesterday. -_-||
kept crying and crying until the end. I WANT TO GO TO TOKYO DOME!!!!!!!!!
ueda didn't tie up his hair i think. i can't remember.
no special encore. apparently we also suck at yelling encores. HAHAAH.
nakamaru tries really hard to dance and i really appreciate that. kame still does his flowery flowy movements. ueda compared to nakamaru doesn't really dance as full out. koki has his break dance style. didn't watch out for junno, but sure he is a good dancer.
OMG. i actually heard kame's voice LIVE. standing next to him, i could hear him singing and then he would then come out in the mic, just as i would expect it. and the timing in which he sang in, isn't according to what we were listening to. so he's actually singing to the music that's in his ear. that's why there is that ear piece! so he actually ever so slightly ahead of the music so then it comes out all okay due to lag in transmission. that must be so hard to do. two conflicting things going on in his head. >.<
During the MC, the staff had prepared takoyaki for the members. They weren't expecting anything bad to happen, but then when they all ate it together, Taguchi's takoyaki had wasabi in it!!! It was apparently very very spicy and then Kame took the water basket away from him go Taguchi coudn't have his water!!! Too cute, Taguchi AND Kame!
kame's smile is so very very cute! he never once really made eye contact today. T_T
Okay, thanks for reading!!! To have a 5 year dream come true to me, is just the greatest thing in the world. I really can't put into words how I feel about this. This revived my love for KAT-TUN. And one thing I did learn from Hoshi was to appreciate Kame. Now that Jin has "left" the group, a lot of weight is on Kame to keep KAT-TUN alive. Keeping something there at least until Jin comes back, if he doesn't. And even though Jin is my favorite, I will still continue to support KAT-TUN because they are everything to me. The reason why I came to Japan was so that I could see KAT-TUN (including Jin). I studied Japanese in order for this weekend to happen. They were all I knew for 5 years, and I'd have to say, I don't regret it any bit (except for letting go of that darn towel!!!!)
Until Tokyo? Maybe? I really want to go, but honestly, with the money it will take to get myself to Tokyo, find housing, and then have crappy seats. On top of that, starting 7/19 I will be having finals and more finals. URGH. But I really want to see them sing songs from the new album! AUGH. What to do?!?!?!
But first, gotta study for my test on Tuesday.
All I can say is ....
kame up close ey?! well hoshi touched kame's hand and she couldn't stop going on about how tough his skin is. it's not what you expected it to be, all soft. but of course he's a guy who loves his baseball so he would naturally have tougher skin. his skin on his face is flawless!! but that could be because i wasn't up in his face looking for holes. wasn't THATTT close. his teeth are white!!! when i was standing under him today, i actually looked up his teeth for any cavities and only saw one that was on his left side. haha.
hoshi said that his arms are getting fatter right now and she doesn't like the fat him. but to me, he's still just as skinny. haha. and he really is quite stunning. i think looking at him that close, i was quite a bit surprised how breathtaking he is in person also. haha. and when he smiles, he is soooo adorable!!!!! ^_^
hoshi also said according to some reports, kame smells nice. though apparently the towel didn't have any scent. smelled just like a hotel towel. haha. but supposedly if you go to other things such as recordings, he smells nice.
in kyoto for now...
Tanaka Koki- Pierrot
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27th-Jun-2010 01:14 pm (UTC)
i do hope so! Coz tokyo dome is kattun's home base i think...
kattun, somewhat, they really got me to the point i can't let a day pass without visiting this lj and keep tracking them like a stalker.
i am a huge huge fan of jin and kame (though with jin i have this love-hate kind of feelings). I so envy you for being able to see the 6 of them in persona.
darn, i wanted to buy tickets for the con. in korea, but as you know, they are already sold out in just 30 minutes!
neh, how's kame up close?
27th-Jun-2010 01:38 pm (UTC)
kame up close ey?! well hoshi touched kame's hand and she couldn't stop going on about how tough his skin is. it's not what you expected it to be, all soft. but of course he's a guy who loves his baseball so he would naturally have tougher skin. his skin on his face is flawless!! but that could be because i wasn't up in his face looking for holes. wasn't THATTT close. his teeth are white!!! when i was standing under him today, i actually looked up his teeth for any cavities and only saw one that was on his left side. haha.
hoshi said that his arms are getting fatter right now and she doesn't like the fat him. but to me, he's still just as skinny. haha. and he really is quite stunning. i think looking at him that close, i was quite a bit surprised how breathtaking he is in person also. haha. and when he smiles, he is soooo adorable!!!!! ^_^
hoshi also said according to some reports, kame smells nice. though apparently the towel didn't have any scent. smelled just like a hotel towel. haha. but supposedly if you go to other things such as recordings, he smells nice.
27th-Jun-2010 03:23 pm (UTC)
haha! Thank you dear! I prefer kame now than the skinny one. really, he looks healthier and more gorgeous. it really freaks the hell out of meh everytime i see his skinny days pictures. like: Oh gosh, is he alive there? LOL
with *going&sports* he started to be more active playing baseball (love seeing him playing baseball! He looks happier there, i noticed.)
yeah, i heard that too. so many fans saying that he really smells nice even when he is all sweaty and all.
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|2006-10-22, 08:50
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1) yes, she wanted to prove her grandfather's genius. he was completely ridiculised. see the piece i linked above, especially this part :
Spoiler for saving space:
she is greatly devoted to her grandfather, and want him to be proud of her, despite he is dead.
as a big crazy "nurse", she carried his final wish : become a god.
rather being sucessful in any "positive humanity way", she somewhat want to avenge Dr Takano, along fulfilling his wish.
not only they (government) will have to admit her research, but also the "deserved" respect to Dr Takano. (this is her motive, nothing else. what happen to hinamizawa is her least worry, except the whole carnage)
she doesn't believe in oyashiro sama at all. granted, she use the local myth in her advantage in fact. the "god" mention is somewhat to prove that late takano and herself are superior (theory wise)
2) this is not clear for the moment. the factual "organizations" are :
-the 3 main houses (Sonozaki - Furude - Kimiyoshi)
-irie institute (part of the government cover)
-yamainu (takano henchmen, part of the goverment reinforcement)
(since i didn't play the games, the following information isn't accurate at all, be careful)
yamainu are trained henchman from the government, allocated to help takano crew to fulfill their research and investigations.
they are the geen/blue/grey men who were roaming around. (example : those who captured keiichi in onikakushi hen)
|2006-10-22, 10:54
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I agree with David Johnston:
|2006-10-22, 11:38
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this is somewhat a major spoiler, but this thread is here for that :
this is correct.
like i said, takano's main purpose is to glorify her grandfather and herself.
she just doesn't give any damn thing about the hinamizawa syndrome, the people or her faction. at all.
several facts prove it :
1) she is really excited about any sign of congratulation from her superiors (i.e her "second" grandpa, Koizumi : Routine Audit (Piece #19) )
2) she prepared the dreadful disaster plan.
3) if you pay attention to the role of the group, irie, tomitake and takano have the duty to determine what is really the hinamizawa syndrome and how to cure it.
so here is the question : how can they let the "queen" die like that? how can a random culprit kill rika, while the governement trained soldiers are supposed to protect her? in fact, aren't they the real culprit as mentionned several times? you know what i meant :p
4) dispite takano's comedy, tomitake discovered her real intentions, that's why he gets killed.
her whole mental state is kinda screwed, but she has a strong will (if you read the minagoroshi prologue, you will understand what i said with the "rules X, Y, Z" ).
in fact, i suspect that takano brought the whole "queen theory" to irie and the others to justify any "big mess if furude rika is killed". i'm pretty sure the queen theory is messed up just because of watanagashi-hen.
i'm just wondering one thing : the TIPS aren't mentionning anything about a huge mess / killing frenzy around hinamizawa in watanagashi-hen / meakashi-hen dispite rika's death. and as i could read with irie theory, "all the infected populace will yield into the terminal stages within 48 hours of the main carrier's death."
this proves that the "queen theory" is kinda a big excuse, since there wasn't any mass L5 state after watanagashi and meakashi hen (this event couldn't be ignored as a TIPS if it has really happened, like the disaster was described to have happened after tsumihoroboshi-hen))
my guess : wouldn't be possible that takano couldn't activate her emergency plan in Watanagashi/meakashi because she couldn't find rika under the 48 hours? (if they aren't able to put the village under a possible mental disorder under the 48 hours, there is no "valid excuse" for takano, so no disaster :p)
if she can't find rika (or her corpse) within the 48 hours, this will make the queen theory null and void.
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|2006-10-22, 13:23
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As this is spoiler thread...
|2006-10-22, 13:55
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but, we should notice that theses guys (yamainu?) where under irie's command for keiichi's case in onikakushi-hen (that's why i guess that the 3 of them were working together, with some covered institution and an elite military force, the yamainu)
takano must have taken the control when she killed tomitake and faked her own death (she is most likely unskilled to do this alone. she needed some help to plan her death like this)
also, sounds like she killed irie only when he discovered something (as far i can remember, irie died only at tataragoroshi-hen, with a fake suicide)
that said, there should be something which prevent her to perform some "L5 village disorder" excuse in theses scenario. i can only see the "watanagashi-ed" factor, otherwise, i wonder what.
|2006-10-22, 15:57
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Of course when interpreting Takano's actions, it doesn't matter whether she's right or just barking mad. Takano thinks there's a queen strain, and will act based on that idea.
As for why watanagashi, well she did bring up the subject of vivisecting one of the villagers to study the organism to the doctor. He wasn't especially welcoming. Watanagashi is vivisection. So she takes Tomitake in to look at the watanagashi tools, lets him make his report and then kills him. The villagers will be blamed by the government, who will fake her death to protect her from them. That eliminates both Tomitake and Oishi who won't suspect a dead woman. Then when she vivisects Rika in a way traditional to the village...well the government will just get more confirmation that the village is in a state of meltdown and needs to be eliminated.
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|2006-10-23, 00:15
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back to my theory, i watched the episode 7-8 again, and it seems there is a possibility that several days have passed before the police could find the corpses.
first, 1 whole day has passed after rika death : in fact, the next day rika died, keiichi had the little chat with ooishi (who discovered that "shion" was missing and it was impossible to "shion" to talk with the village chief, except if she was the culprit), and had the final discussion with "shion" on the phone (the story shows he got the talk at night)
then, it seems that keiichi spent at least 1 whole day to recover + to pack up his stuff (he told to rena that he was moving away, and everything was ready according the packages).
this means that more than 24-48 hours have passed (rika died 2 days before, at night). so, you can add 24 hours again after the shion stab assault at the same day (if keiichi spent really 1 whole day for the previous event).
this would mean that more than 48 have passed
so, whatever if keiichi took 1 day to recover from the sonozaki incident, it is clear that more than 2 days have passed from rika's death, which prevents takano to activate her disaster plan, since the queen theory has been demolished by the time limit.
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Location: Canada
Age: 32
...It's true though.
In any case, your question about Satoshi WILL be answered in the Matsuribayashi puzzle pieces thread (we're only at the 2nd year victims here, the pieces will cover all the way until current time (June 1983)). The problem is, as you probably noticed, these are really long entries. kj is tired right now, and I certainly don't have time to work on them everyday.
I will admit though, that the pieces are really nothing more than just "the truth behind the history of everything". Without Minagoroshi/Matsuribayashi-hen's scenario, there won't be any real "solutions" concerning Rika and her friends' effort to fight against the fate of June 1983.
In any case, it's a lot more complicated than that. I can only hope the guys over at the translation project can manage to complete their work. After all, Matsuribayashi-hen had so many exciting scenes (Shion/Kasai team in a firefight with their AK-47, for example ), it'll be a waste for fans like you guys to miss out on them.
|2006-10-24, 02:48
|Link #29
Gomen asobase desuwa!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Age: 37
If you must know, there is a reason why we can't say it...because the game itself is so fucking hard to explain without writing a ten page essay for your answers!!! And why the heck should we have to write ten pages of explanation when we have to do the pieces thread? If writing ten pages just to satisfy one, we might as well write ten pages of useful info for all, which'll explain the stuff anyway.
If you are dying to know, the English patch is out. Play the game.
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|2006-10-24, 10:48
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Geez, Caiobrz, are you really this immature? Kj1980, Sushi-Y, and LostBlue have spent over 100 hours (probably much more) helping people on this board... translating TIPs, posting in episode threads, Q&A threads, etc. Considering all this, how exactly are they "not the least interested in helping people solve the puzzles of Higurashi"?
With your posts, it's pretty easy to deduce that you either 1) didn't do your research and are just throwing false accusations, or 2) have all the aforementioned evidence but are just too ignorant and selfish to realize the hypocrisy and ungratefulness of your words. If it's the latter, most likely, replying to you directly is pointless, if you truly are this ignorant.
In that case, I ask kj1980, Sushi-Y and LostBlue to ignore this ingrate. Please don't let his words and actions speak for everyone else, or ruin it for everyone else. I'm sure everyone else who browse these forums realize the work you guys are doing and are grateful. Just ignore, mod, or delete these whining posts please.
|2006-10-24, 12:26
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err... i will put my answer about the "argument" in spoiler, saving some space and brain ~~
Spoiler for my answer for Caiobrz, skip it if you want to stay on the thread:
anyway, discrepancies? which one? (i guess it's not solid enough, i wonder)
|2006-10-24, 12:30
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Don't try to use the excuse of "I'm just poor, please feel sorry for me, hand everything to me." This is a forum for dicussing matters related to Higurashi, not a piracy-bittorrent forum. Are many items of note acquired through torrents or piracy? Probably, but that doesn't make it justified. Besides, I don't even understand how this excuse is pertinent, since being poor doesn't prevent you from playing the game and patch. Sounds like you're just whining again.
Keep posting if you want, you're just making yourself look all the more foolish.
|2006-10-24, 13:44
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The other issue is that some people don't have the proper equipment to
play the game but that is neither here nor there - cost aside there are
some minimum hardware requirements for any game these days.
That being said: I've found out more about what I don't know about
this story just by reading these threads than anything else. It's too
bad that people can't be patient and wait. I suspect the people nice
enough to key in all of that data have lives and other things to do
besides keying in text all day? So I give my thanks to those who take
the time to do it.
And I get the idea that the 7th Expension team has been working on
this for at least a decade, the depth in this story is almost absurd for
what is ultimately an animated cartoon.
Prediction: once it catches on in the U.S. it will be licensed and
everyone will know about it. It just needs that "catch". I suspect
it will be absurdly popular too. I feel like we're members of a weird
little club who know about it before that tidal wave of interest.
But getting back to the idea that:
One other thing:
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|2006-10-24, 13:48
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Age: 37
Japan Self Defense Force
Due to the way the Constitution was written after WWII, Japan is not allowed to have any military forces persay. On the other hand, the US did not want to totally demilitarize Japan for the sake of nearby Communist influences (China, North Korea, and the Soviet Union). Hence, Japan "re-militarized" itself with "self-defense forces." Despite being a "self-defense force" its government expenditures (usually around 1% of the budget) makes it the sixth largest and most modern "military" force after the US, China, Russia, UK and France.
Although the SDF have been recently deployed to helping UN peacekeeping missions, their primary objective is to help out Japanese civilians during disasters (earthquakes, terrorism, etc. etc.) as well as defending ourselves from a nuclear threat called North Korea.
NPA. The Police system of Japan, which outlines that the police is one big bureaucracy unlike the US where each police department is spearheaded by the city government. Besides, the SDF and the Police are notorious for disliking each other when it comes to terms of jurisdiction and control.
Considering the SDF's primary objectives in defending the homeland and providing disaster relief, the closest would actually be the US National Guard.
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|2006-10-24, 13:50
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I disagree with that assessment
happened but think about it:
She's a child, a young girl. She has her friends, but she has little or
no money, she has little in the way of resources and doesn't have the
physical brute strength needed to combat what is happening in that
Takano has essentially infinite resources compared to Rika - she has
money, people (adults) and the assistance of the military (brute force,
weaponry, vehicles) and some of these people are not at all bothered
by using dirty deeds and tactics.
Plus, you don't know how little she retains after each reset - and where
each reset occurs. Does she get a days warning to prepare? 10 days?
a month? Six months? A year? Does she start all over again from birth?
You see?
Another issue that comes to mind:
If a young girl between 8-10 years old in your neighborhood started
going on about secret government conspiracies and/or her invisible
friend and curses, would you pat her on the head and say "that's
nice, now go play with your friends" or would you believe her?
|2006-10-24, 13:51
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err.. my mind is kinda twisted with all this stuff... nevermind.
back to the thread : in fact, you just said "discrepancies", nothing more.
but to your statement :
we absolutely don't know how many reset rika did.
also, keep in mind that the first resets were done for YEARS. (as stated with himatsubushi hen)
that said, there is not only this issue, don't forget that each world are DIFFERENT.
even if watanagashi and meakashi are kinda similar, they are NOT the same with another character point of view (some details prove it).
which mean that rika doesn't probably have a plan for every scenario.
in minagoroshi-hen, you would understand it quite easely with the 3 rules : X, Y Z.
with them, you can understand how rika is trapped, and need EVERYONE will to break that silly fate.
unfortunately, the whole minagoroshi prologue is required to explain the whole rule fact.
this explains in fact the "unvaidable" events, the random factors, and the avoidable scenes.
as for the "hidden" facility, i don't think this is the case, even when ire and takano analyzed her body.
in fact, she would only know that there is a "hinamizawa syndrom", and she "could have something to do with it".
|2006-10-24, 14:13
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brazil
Age: 39
As I remember reading from KJ Q&A, and from the first clue on putting pieces together, she reset more than 100 times, and she goes back a few years and than this time reduces as Hanyu powers are getting weaker. Also, all she need to know is that she is going to get killed on summer 1983's Watanagashi's festival day, this is enough to start thinking about a trap.
I agree about the thing about "go play with your friends", but that's why I said she would need to talk to Oishi or whatever very early, so even at start they dismiss her as a child, when things start happening as she foretold, they would start giving her some credit don't you think? I mean, she foretold all the deaths, in detail, to Akasaka. He only learned too late that she was right. If she said that to Oishi instead of Akasaka, he would believe her by 1983 IMHO
I wonder if the DVD tips will be enough to help.
BTW as I see it, there is plenty of content to make a second season. Minagoroshi and Matsuribashihen seams to be really huge, before reading the clues I though "well they can make an OVA or a 12 episode follow up" ... but I think there is enough to make a full 26 episodes. I know studio deen is not that resourcefull, but HnNKn was such a huge sucess that they might consider doing it, after all ... profit XD
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|2006-10-24, 14:19
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that's why i said "unfortunately", since i used the patch for the game ~~ (i should have edited my post, err sorry)
i'll try to get the prologue in text or summary it a bit.
anyway, the 3 rules told by frederica bernkastel are :
Rule X : someone will be mad and probably commit atrocities
Rule Y : nameless entity is after Tomitake and Takano, they are always dead. i will be killed as well, except some exceptions (rules X interfered)
Rule Z : the whole sonozaki issue is simply fear from a organized bluff
to be short, the Rule Z is feeding the paranoia of Rule X.
Rule Y has something to do with Rule X, and can be interfered by Rule X.
Frederica thinks that if you cannot break the 3 rules altogether, the fate won't be stopped. (even if you prevent rule X to happen, rule Z will feed it, and it will replay again. also, rule Z is covering Rule X : everyone think that sonozaki family is behind the bizarre events around hinamizawa)
(if anyone think i was interpreting it wrong, correct me ^^" )
|2006-10-24, 14:26
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Age: 33
The entire Minagoroshi prologue taken from the patch.
Hopefully it'll encourage more people to play the game. It's a good example how detailed it is.
|2006-10-24, 14:36
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huhu, sounds like i read carefullY the prologue, though i was a bit crude and vague XD.
anyway, about the season comment, like i said in the episode 26 thread, it won't happen i think.
the main reason of this is because it would require a whole prime season, the ova won't be enough (12-13 is a season in fact).
that said, as we could see, it would be better if deen make a whole 26 season, or it will be awfully butchered.
but the biggest concern about it : this kind of project is big enough to announce it.
and unfortunately, nothing for a second HNNKN season has been announced so far.
they do have the material, but we can't really say if the serie made a sufficient sucess to go on :/
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The bustling metropolis of Nar Shaddaa stood out from the other planets I'd explored to that point, giving off a seedy Las Vegas vibe with its towering skyscrapers and garish neon signage. A more eclectic array of alien races are on display in the bounty hunter/smuggler's paradise, and urban touches like different types planters from which holographic trees sprung really add a lot to the atmosphere. Perhaps the one downside to Nar Shaddaa is that the map layouts seem a bit more labyrinthine, and therefore a bit more frustrating to navigate. Another aspect of The Old Republic that I've spent a bit more time with is the game's companion-based crafting system. Up to three related abilities can be trained, and are shared with all companions. Jedi Shadow Bukowski first teamed up with warrior-ally Quyzen Fess, but also received a protocol droid companion shortly before obtaining his ship. He mostly stays in the ship, because, in the words of C-3PO, "Nobody worries about upsetting a droid." Crafting skills fall into three categories, and players can select one from each category at a time. My current choices--Artifice, Archaeology, and Diplomacy--allow me to send my companions off to hunt for crafting materials, manufacture lightsaber upgrades, or retrieve gifts that can be given to companions to improve their opinions of you. Crafting is a neat idea, but is a lot easier to pursue consistently while adventuring in groups. When soloing, my character often needs his companion to run interference in combat--something that he can't do if he's off hunting for a new power crystal. The upshot for me was that utilizing my companions' skills often had to wait until I knew I'd be safe from combat for a while. Grouping up makes companions less necessary, so they can more easily be sent off to do your bidding. One minor issue I discovered is that some combinations of equipped items can create annoying visual glitches. You'll notice that in some of the screenshots included in this article featuring Jedi Shadow Bukowski that his hair clips through the top of his hooded robe. This visual issue was caused when I equipped a stat-boosting helm that I'd found, which apparently doesn't play nice with the robe I'd equipped. Bukowski has since moved on to statistically superior (though visually sillier) attire, but I played several hours in my glitchy hair-robe before then. The journey of Jedi Shadow Bukowski is far from over. Stay tuned for more mid-game impressions from Star Wars: The Old Republic, coming soon. After Nar Shaddaa, it's off to the planetary dustbowl of Tatooine. If there are Sarlacc pits to be found, I'm sure I'll manage to fall into one.
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|Wireless Headset - 17m?
Seriously guys it isn't worth that much people at the top of the leaderboard who use their Flezz wisely like me aren't going for it.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 9:53PM
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quangntenemy Posted:
Isn't it reasonable that somebody might thing the Headset (which is potentially unique) might be more important than a leaderboard peen that very few people actually care about?
I'm nowhere close to the headset or the leaderboard top, but I'd rather have the headset if I could have one of the two.Possibly a Cabbage edited this message on 01/18/2009 10:00PM
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 9:58PM
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Possibly a Cabbage Posted:
quoted for great justice.
some people would prefer an item that's fairly exclusive to an elusive e-peen.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:05PM
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items are temporary; peens are forever (relatively speaking)
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:06PM
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Bigandtasty Posted:
I thought that was diamonds.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:08PM
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Headsets make you a man. Log in to see images!
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:12PM
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Who wants to wager that only Hackers can use it?Log in to see images!
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:15PM
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MeatLoafFan Posted:
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:17PM
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1: It's a special item. Everybody can use it.
2: It gives +69 ego, +35 offense, and +35 defense.
3: The second best special item gives +100 ego
4: The third best special item gives +20 ego.
Frankly, I'm amazed that the bids aren't going even higher.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:19PM
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3bp to the winner if they sell it in the ppwn shop.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:19PM
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Acid Flux Posted:
What mouse? Hacker item?
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:33PM
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quangntenemy Posted:
Fr4gGingR1teZ 2020 male reproductive organblaster™ Premier Xtreem™ Edition
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:36PM
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Acid Flux Posted:
Ooh I didn't notice. It's kinda useless now that everyone has a ****load of Ego.
But I have a feeling this headset will share the same fate when ep3 comes.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:39PM
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Bigandtasty Posted:
not saying i'd personally go for it, but some people prefer items over peens. not everyone's a peen whore. hell, some have no peens at all! (and hence should not be on the internet because everyone knows the internet is a boy's club)
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 10:57PM
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quangntenemy Posted:
Yes, because that TOTALLY HAPPENED when Ep2 came out.
I think ET needs to start creating some more Ep2 quests that provide more special eq and computers and other such underused ****.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 11:18PM
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Ep Two Will Take Months to come out. Wylin will have a leg up on things though for pwning high up forums.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 11:21PM
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Raepdog Posted:
Still 13 hours left and I have a feeling that the price might goes even higher.
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 11:35PM
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Raepdog Posted:
didn't episode 2 come out already?
|Posted On: 01/18/2009 11:43PM
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So FLUFFCUTTER got this item after the Flezz epeen. Pretty wise decision I suppose.
|Posted On: 01/20/2009 9:32AM
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who is this FLUFFCUTTER individual?
|Posted On: 01/20/2009 9:37AM
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