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Tuesday, January 21, 2014
Gillmore, Parker, Dodge and Adams -- Tombstone Tuesday
5 comments:
- Susi's Quarter said...
Barbara. Love the new version. I think we have chatted before on some names.
- January 22, 2014 at 3:29 PM
- Mary Mettler said...
Hi Barbara,
My brickwall 3rd GGF Oren Parker (b. ca 1788 in MA and d. 1852 in Antioch, Lake, IL. He had a brother Abel Parker (b.ca 1790 in MA and d. in 1857 in Antioch, Lake, IL. They lived in Westford, VT and appear to be children of Aaron and Judith (Chase) Parker of Oxford and Sutton, MA respectively. But...I'm not positive, so it might be worth a look at this Abel Parker family.
- January 22, 2014 at 4:00 PM
- Barbara Poole said...
Susi, yes, I believe so. Also, I just followed your blog, and while reading a few entries, I see you also have a Jesse Wright. I've got one in New Haven, and would love to know how it came to be that his wife and he died the same day, in different towns!
Mary, I believe Parker is a common name, but why not do a search for all the Abels, there might be a lot or maybe a little. Now, Oren might be less common, I would think. Good luck.
- January 23, 2014 at 3:11 PM
My gosh! I just stumbled onto your blog while looking at pics of Newbury, Mass on flicker. I am finally researching my ancestors, the Adams of Newbury. Reading your posts, I see we share the Abbe family too. The Adams are on my mother's side, the Abbe on my fathers. My great grandmother married Daniel Robert Adams (1823-1881) who is buried in Fort Hill Cemetery in Auburn, NY. I can't wait till the snow melts and I can get out there to explore and photograph as Auburn is only about 30 min from me. I had also heard of a Beecher Stowe connection, but am not there yet. I think I need to make a trip to Newbury and circle up to Jaffrey on my way home to Syracuse, NY. Thanks for a great blog, I will share it with my family!
- February 15, 2014 at 7:58 AM
- Barbara Poole said...
Caron, thank you for your message, compliment and for following my blog. Adams, oh my, there are so many around here. I even have two different Adams lines, so, I know how difficult it can be tracing them. But fun! I gather you saw my H. B. Stowe photos (her houses and cem. stone)...quite near from where I live. Nice to meet a double cousin! Oh, some of my older material needs updating, so it's best to double check everything.
- February 15, 2014 at 1:26 PM


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Recent rainfall came at a good time for farmers in the area, with some areas getting just the rain they needed and others getting too much.
Jim Sheaffer farms between Polo and Dixon.
"Right in our area, we were starting to get dry," Sheaffer said. "We needed the rain. It was very spotty. Where we live, we got about 4.5 inches total. It's come at enough different times where it hasn't done too much damage."
According to the USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service, fieldwork was stopped and crop development was slowed by heavy rain throughout the state.
"Corn and soybean growth has been progressing, though some rows are uneven in height due to flooding in fields," the service said in its most recent weekly report, released June 24. "Disease has been spotted in corn and wheat because of the excess rain."
The service rated 50 percent of corn conditions as good, and 17 percent excellent; and 51 percent of soybean conditions as good, 18 percent excellent.
Dan Koster, whose farm is a few miles west of state Route 40 on Science Ridge Road, said his crops received about 3.5 inches of rain right when they needed it.
"I would stay that we have one of our best crops potential that we've had in a long time," he said.
For some farmers, the heavy rain resulted in standing water in some areas, leading to slowed crop development.
"A week ago, crops looked very well," said Andy Pratt, whose farm is between Dixon and Amboy. "We were starting to get a little dry and could use a little rain. The rain we've gotten the last few days has been excessive."
While Pratt estimated only 10 percent of his crops were in areas of standing water or areas that received too much rainfall, he said the best case for the next 10 days would be temperatures in the 80s, with plenty of sunshine.
The ground is at "capacity," he said, and any additional rain would likely go to waste. That rain would be better served in July, he said.
The National Weather Service reported chances of showers and thunderstorms Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.


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Prescription medications can be powerful healing agents. However, if they are abused, they can lead to death. The Institute of Medicine estimated 400,000 medication problems happen nationwide. Unfortunately, many of those fatalities happen from accidental overdoses.
Alabama's medical community has a prescription drug monitoring program. It requires any physician, who prescribes certain controlled substances, to report it in that database. This keeps patients from "doctor shopping", and makes it easier for law enforcement to investigate cases of abuse.
However, many times medication problems occur when elderly patients either forget or mix their medicine. Corey Kirkland from Houston County's Health Department explained how to avoid those mistakes.
"Keep a good record or list of what you're taking. Always talk to your doctor about prescriptions that you're using so that he's aware of what you have and he's not over-prescribing something for you," explained Kirkland.
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In addition, Flowers Hospital is making a push to fight prescription medication overdose. It has an electronic scanning system to check patients' wristbands before administering medications. News 4 will have extended coverage on their system, Thursday, on News 4 at 10.


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The NCAA baseball tournament field was released today and, to the surprise of no one, Cal did not make the cut.
Five Pac-12 teams are in the field: Stanford, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State and Arizona. The Cardinal will host a regional, beginning Friday with a first-round game vs. Fresno State.
For those interested, here's the NCAA tournament bracket.
The Bears' season ended Sunday with a 5-3 loss at Stanford. Cal wound up 29-25 overall, 12-18 in Pac-12 play.


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There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
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I think Walt wins this battle no matter what Dusty does to sabotage it. Chapman is a supreme asset if his value is made out properly. Walt has vision and understands the way an organization maximizes that value long term.
This is the time. The real Reds organization is back.
Jeff Samardzija, Chris Sale and Lance Lynn were all successfully transitioned from the bullpen to the starting rotation in 2012. Samardzija threw 174.2 innings. Sale tossed 192 innings. Lynn hurled 176 innings. I expect to see Chapman treated similarly.
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I used to defend Hal and his opinions, but man, he's gone wacko. If you get the Sunday DDN, he spent over half of his "Ask Hal" article defending the keep-Chapman-in-the-bullpen belief.
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Imperial Ballet Junior Awards
16 December 2012
Irela Strachan reports from the fifth year of the Awards
On Sunday, 28th October, I had the privilege of being involved in the Imperial Ballet Junior Awards held at the Radlett Centre. Now in its fifth year, this event is going from strength to strength. What immediately struck me on arrival was the warm, friendly atmosphere tinged with a sense of anticipation and excitement. The energy, enthusiasm and dedication of front of house and backstage helpers, parents, teachers and not least the dancers, will no doubt ensure the continued success of this event.
The Grade 1 and 2 classes were delivered by Joanne Evans and Sarah Wilkins. Their calm, reassuring manner immediately put the students at ease and helped bring out the very best from the young dancers. Both classes were beautifully accompanied by Debbie Parks whose playing, as always, encouraged and inspired the musicality for which the Imperial Ballet is renowned.
The standard of the work was encouraging and the young dancers were obviously relishing their moment in the spotlight. There is no doubt that such a positive experience can be for some, the catalyst for a lifelong passion and involvement in dance, whilst for others it simply encourages an active lifestyle. More importantly, it was just wonderful to see a host of young people, both girls and boys, enjoying themselves.
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Imperial Ballet Junior Awards Results – 2012
Grade 1
1st Place
Caitlin Roi Francisco
(Angela Allport)
2nd Place
Sasha Hussain
(Angela Allport)
3rd Place
Maya Szecsenyi
(Bronwen Patching)
Musicality Cup
Georgia Shuttleworth
(Angela Allport)
Grade 2
1st Place
Kyanne Chung
(Angela Allport)
2nd Place
Bethany Harrison
(Angela Allport)
3rd Place
Maxwell Dawe
(Jill Tindale)
Yasmin Reader
(Bronwen Patching)
Musicality Cup
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Lady Hornets earn victory in first game of season
The Mendon girl's basketball team opened their season with a 46-21 win over Union City Tuesday at home.
"Being the first game of the season, with a team that made it all the way to the volleyball semi-finals and having those girls for only four or five practices, I think we played very well," Hornet coach Leasa Griffith said.
Mendon grabbed an early 13-6 lead after one quarter.
The Lady Hornets built the margin to 22-12 at halftime.
"It's a good way to start." Griffith said. "I can't believe it's basketball season already."
Mendon continued their strong play in the second half finishing out the Chargers 24-9 to grab the victory.
"We moved the ball well and were looking for each other," Griffith said.
Griffith knows a lot of success is anticipated from this year's squad.
"Our record two years ago was 18–2," she said. "Last year was 19–1, so expectations are very high."
Coming out strong was Mendon senior Brooke Howard, who tossed in 18 points, had 11 rebounds, five steals and three assists.
Following Howard was Cierra Furlong lobbing in eight points and Grace Leighton with six points.
Lauren Samson and Alexis Russell each threw in five points with Rachel Frisbie and Jenna Griffith adding two points each.
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Helping the team was Jenna Griffith with three rebounds, six steals and three assists followed by Furlong and Frisbie coming out with three rebounds each.
Samson and Russell each had four rebounds.
Leighton brought three rebounds and steals to the court.


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But fidn't Cuz2 also have a chance to say"I'd like a chance to see pictures and documents when he found out his mom would be moving out and his sister would bw ckeaning the house? Maybe offer money for shipping/copies/help?
You have misinterpreted the situation quite a bit. I'm offended at being told it would be mean of me to do something that I quite clearly have no intention of doing. It is indeed my decision to make as to which cousin gets the original documents for their family, and it's a sticky situation, which is why I posted here.I have not pulled the "she gave it to me, so it isn't hers anymore" card. I don't know where you got that idea.My "place" is to sort through the boxes of documents, to sort and catalog them, and to pass them on to their rightful owners, which has to be determined by me. It will take a huge amount of time, effort, and expense to do this, but I'm happy to do it because I consider the documents to be an invaluable treasure.An, as has been pointed out, Aunt did not die. She's in a nursing home.
...I have been clearly instructed not to involve my aunt, a decision I agree with.
Yes, the OP was able to get them so if they were that important to Cuz2 he could have done the same.
The most valuable of the genealogical documents are over three feet wide and are in a bound volume.I have been clearly instructed not to involve my aunt, a decision I agree with.
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The Shelby County boys' tennis team began its season with a 5-0 sweep of visiting Carroll County on Thursday at Clear Creek Park.
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HENDERSON, Nev.—Verified alarms are based on the idea that more information for central station results in better, more efficient response from law enforcement. That principle is behind the development of a cloud analytic from I-View-Now, a service that suggests that even in the category of verification, there is room to know more.
CLEVELAND—How should law enforcement respond to a threat issued to a school via Facebook, Twitter or other social media platform that says a bomb is set to go off in the high school cafeteria or that an angry student is headed to the campus armed to the hilt?
EDGEWOOD, N.Y., and SAN JUAN CAPISTRANO, Calif.—On the eve of ISC West, publicly traded Vicon and privately held IQinVision announced a plan to merge, creating a $56 million company.
LAKE FOREST, Calif.—National Monitoring Center has announced the opening of a new 25,000-square-foot facility here, according to a news release.
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.—Bold Technologies, a provider of central station automation software, has promoted Chuck Speck, formerly the VP of the company, to be its new president.
OLD BRIDGE, N.J.—GuardMe Security, based here, is expanding into Texas and will be using its new "hybrid" door-to-door/teleselling model in the state.
ISC West 2014 - Day Three
After spending much of my career in the medium of print, I managed to make my on-camera debut at ISC West 2014, interviewing several folks from the central station side who provided some lively perspectives about the show and the direction of their respective businesses.
First up was Jim McMullen, president and COO of COPS Monitoring, who said the company had around 800 dealers at its annual Dealer Appreciation Bonanza, an event I also happened to attend with several SSN colleagues. He wasn't lying; Gilley's was thronged, and there was no shortage of attendees eager to duke it out in the mechanical bull riding competition, a contest for which the event has become well known. The Bonanza has become a marquee event for CO, McMullen said, and has proven to be another way the company goes about forging strong relationships its dealer base.
In my next interview, Josh Garner, CEO of AvantGuard Monitoring, discussed the company's new monitoring center in the rural community of Rexburg, Idaho. Garner characterized the new facility as a human capital investment, as the company aims to leverage the community's young and well-educated workforce (Brigham Young University has a campus in the town). We also talked about AvantGuard's success in the mobile PERS market and the company's PERS Summit Network, which has an educational component that takes a "granular" approach to equipping dealers with the knowledge they need to run a successful PERS operation.
My final on-camera interview of the day was with Hank Groff, SVP of sales at Dynamark, and Tom Piston, VP of business development. The duo explained the philosophy behind Dynamark's recently launched partner program and discussed the company's highly focused, customized approach for ISC West.
I also met briefly this morning, off camera, with Barry Epstein, president of Dallas-based investment firm Vertex Capital. We discussed the late 2013 Security Partners acquisition of Mace Central Station (a deal in which Epstein represented Mace) as well as the PERS valuation market, which remains intriguing (and well worth keeping an eye on) but relatively inactive.
And that just about does it for ISC West 2014. Keep an eye out for our show roundup, which we'll include on the newswire next week.
ISC West 2014 - Day Two
The second day of ISC West had the same frenetic energy and pace as the first—which is maybe fitting for a day that for many began with the Security 5K run. My opening meeting of the day was with I-View Now, who hosted a forum for several attendees. I-View's Steve Patterson, chief information officer, and Matt Fleming, chief technology officer, highlighted some of the company's new initiatives, which include the a newly launched cloud analytic, and discussed the company's push to form additional partnerships with some big name manufacturers. The two also touched on sales strategies for video verification, which can contribute an additional $35-50 in RMR for monitored accounts, according to Patterson.
Patterson noted that demos are a critical component of the sales process for video verification. I-View Now has developed a demo portal that can act as management tool, demonstrating the correlation between video verification demos and successful sales.
I returned to the show floor for my second demo of the day, this one led by Aaron Salma, at Union, N.J.-based Affiliated Monitoring. Salma showcased the e-contract functionality on the company's new dealer app, which allows technicians to efficiently manage their accounts. Salma said the app can be enormously beneficial for businesses employing a summer sales/door-knocking model.
In the afternoon I made my way up the Venetian Tower where I joined Kevin O'Connor, president of LogicMark, and Troy Bruce, director of sales, to discuss the company's newly released mobile PERS offering, the SentryPal, as well as its new traditional unit, the Caretaker Sentry. Both emphasized the need for PERS products (and the security industry at large) to remain grounded from a practical standpoint despite rapid technological advancements.
O'Connor believes even a less tested market like mPERS holds considerable promise. That market, he said, may evolve much like the security industry in general, continually adding new functions that central stations and dealers can translate into more RMR.
While the sheer numbers of America's aging Baby Boomer demographic bode well for anyone in the PERS space, security companies still need to develop a sound strategy for bringing the product to market, managing the expectations of customers and efficiently redeploying their units, they noted. Interestingly enough, both agreed that security companies, if the resources are there, do themselves a favor by creating a separate division for bringing PERS to market.
My afternoon concluded with back-to-back PPVAR panel sessions, the first of which distilled several outside-the-industry perspectives on video verified response. The session, moderated by Steve Walker, VP of Stanley Convergent, president of PPVAR, featured representatives from law enforcement and private insurance.
The next session, moderated by Don Young, CIO of Protection 1, VP Stanley Convergent representatives from the manufacturing side (Scott Harkins, president of Honeywell) and the central station space (Chuck Moeling, executive VP of sales at Interface, and Tony Wilson, president of CMS), together with representatives from the private investment and legal arenas.
An interesting topic raised by the panel dealt with the potential of video verification in the residential security space. Moeling pointed out that there are considerably more barriers to establishing a foothold in the residential market (as opposed to commercial) in North America. One of those barriers, he said, is the "basic nature of American independence" and customers being leery of having "big brother watching."
Though Harkins believes there is potential for video verification in the residential space, he added the caveat that, from Honeywell's perspective, bringing the technology to a mainstream market has to be done in a way that keeps such systems affordable to a mass market.
ISC West 2014 - Day One
Though access control resides a little outside my coverage domain, my first ISC West stop was at Assa Abloy's booth for a morning press conference. It was an impressive showing from the company, whose president of access and egress hardware group, Martin Huddart, delivered a presentation outlining the company's past, present and future.
Huddart keyed in specifically on the company's transition to a new line of "2.0" solutions. The presentation touched on several on several of the company's newer and more sophisticated solutions: Access credential technology that sends keys "over the air" through smart phones, "futureproof" maglocks that support several different credential strategies (NFC and Bluetooth among them), and the company's EcoFlex locks.
The latter, according to David Sylvester, president, door security solutions at Assa Abloy, was a major point of attraction for the sustainability officer at Amazon, which plans to use the locks at its new headquarters.
I spoke with Michael Schubert and Woodie Andrawos, president and executive vice president, respectively, of National Monitoring Center, which is fresh off announcing the opening of a new 25,000-square-foot facility in Lake Forest, Calif. Both characterized the facility as a substantial technological upgrade that amply accommodates for future growth. NMC now has two central stations (the other is in Texas), and Schubert said, down the road, the company may explore the possibility of getting another, ideally in a new time zone.
I had the chance to meet early in the day with Gary Shottes, president of AES Corporation, and Candyce Plante, senior director of marketing at AES. We spoke at length about the company's patented wireless mesh technology, some new developments at AES on the product front (stay tuned for that), and the ramifications of the 2G sunset—an industry inevitability from which a company like AES is well-positioned to prosper. Already seeing gains from clients keen on "futureproofing," the company could thrive even more when the 3G sunset occurs, according to Shottes.
The 2G sunset proved to be a theme that found its way into some of my afternoon discussions as well, particularly in my conversations with some folks at Uplink, whose software solutions are geared to mitigate some of the adverse effects of network obsolescence.
I also spoke with Telguard's Shawn Welsh and Pam Benke (VP of business development, director of marketing, respectively) about their launch, today, of their OneRate service plan for their HomeControl platform, which replaces the company's previous multi-tier pricing structure with a single flat price.
The plan, according to Welsh, goes along way in terms of "demystifying" the sales process for customers, and he believes the simpler, pared down approach will give sales personnel a considerable advantage when trying to sell home automation in conjunction with security products. The service plan also includes a reseller price that allows central station partners to "make margins bundling the service," Welsh said.
A recent report from ABI Research shed light on the notion that the industry is still in the laboratory phase as far as figuring out the best way to bring home automation to market. There's still a fair amount of tinkering and experimentation going on, the report noted, and this simplified (and innovative) service plan from Telguard seems indicative of that.
Once again, as I'm wont to do at trade shows and other industry events, I've stretched this blog a bit beyond its ideal length, so that's all for day one. I have a slew of meetings and interviews tomorrow, which I'll provide updates about during the course of the day.
Like thousands on the east coast, I'll be flying west tomorrow to Las Vegas, where I'll be spend the following three days at ISC West, trying to gauge what those in the central station arena are finding compelling about the marquee show.
Judging by conversations I've had with members of the industry over the past several weeks, there should be no shortage of new developments at this year's show. Days after booking my ticket to Vegas I was hearing about new central station automation software, a cloud- and algorithm-based video verification platform, the launch of new mobile apps for dealers and technicians, and manufacturers warming up to mobile PERS.
Basically, I'm expecting an aggressively forward-thinking show, and, since I'll be updating this blog over the next three days, you'll be able to see to what extent that presentiment is realized.
I want to encourage readers to take up the opportunity to meet with me and my colleagues—SSN editor Martha Entwistle; SSN managing editor Tess Nacelewicz; and Amy Canfield, managing editor of our end user-focused sister publication, Security Director News—at our "Meet the Editors" event at the show. This is scheduled for Wed., April 2 from 9:30 a.m. to 10 a.m, and will be held at the SSN booth, adjacent to the ISC West Media Stage, which is located directly outside the main entrance doors to the show floor.
I very much look forward to meeting our readers in person, so please feel free to stop by!
BOCA RATON, Fla.—ADT went outside the security space to find its new chief marketing officer and its new vice president of dealer sales. Both new hires say they'll put the skills they honed working in other industries to good use at ADT.
DALLAS—Monitronics International, a third-party central station based here, will relocate to a new three-story, 165,000-square-foot corporate campus in the middle of 2015, Bruce Mungiguerra, vice president of operations at Monitronics, told Security Systems News.
PITTSFIELD, Maine—Four years after resurrecting the Edwards name for its fire and safety products, UTC is shutting down its 300-employee Edwards plant here and moving production to three other locations in order to "ensure continued competitiveness."
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I'm not saying this one isn't gutless. But current diesel technology allows for some serious horsepower and the acceleration of some vehicles I have been in are on par with other vehicles of their size.
Unfortunately Diesel has a bad name. Partly because many gutless vehicles were made with it. I'd like to know this vehicles specs so I'm off to RTFA.
I was working on a project comparing a Prius to a 2009 Jetta TDI. We drove both from Portland, ME to Portland, OR and you would never know the Jetta was a diesel. AND... on highway driving it destroyed the Prius on gas mileage.
Newer diesel technology is amazingly clean, efficient and powerful.
No, modern diesels are nothing like the anemic POS that GM released in the 70s. Mainly because of the addition of the turbo charger (which diesels benefit greatly from), but common rail, higher injection pressures, advances in metallurgy.
My TDI is quite peppy, mainly because the shape of the torque curve. BMW has a 335d and X5 which they are selling here now. VW and Benz have been selling diesels here almost non-stop since the 70s.
That's why I always laugh when Chevy's ads come on trying to sell me this AMAZING 29 MPG car.
I got 48 MPG in a '86 IDI Diesel (that was a bit weak, but who needs more than 50 HP?)
I get 45 MPG in a '98 TDI diesel that is quite peppy. I have upgraded injectors and a special chip tune. I bet I'm just barely over 110 HP, if that.
All diesels in the 70s where gutless. Heck simple truth was all cars in the US in the 70s where pretty gutless. The 70s was when we where trying to get emission controls to work and computers for controlling fuel injection and spark where primitive or just not available.
GM got such a bad rap on the diesel and for the most part it was unfair.
The GM diesel where sold to people that didn't know how to maintain them and by dealers that really didn't know how to maintain them. People that bought a 300D where us
Heck simple truth was all cars in the US in the 70s where pretty gutless.
Okay, this is more about aerodynamics than being gutless but whatever...
I had a 76 Ford Pinto when I was a teenager. My friend and I were on our way up to White Pass to go skiing when some guy in a Dodge Charger goes flying around us at ~ 90mph on a blind curve. Fortunately no one was coming the other way, but a cop was sitting right there. He pulls the guy over, then (as I drove by) flagged me down as well. The cop walks up to me and says "I have the two of you doing 90+ on this mountain road", to which I replied with the truth - I'd been passed on a curve, and may have been right behind the Charger but was not going that fast (probably 55-60, which was within the limit). He give me one of those "I've heard THAT before" looks, so I followed up with "Have you ever been in a Ford Pinto going over 65mph? The thing shakes so hard it'd probably start to fall apart pretty fast".
He laughed and let me go.
All diesels in the 70s where gutless. Heck simple truth was all cars in the US in the 70s where pretty gutless. The 70s was when we where trying to get emission controls to work and computers for controlling fuel injection and spark where primitive or just not available.
This is true. The basic scientific research on how to control automobile exhaust emissions was incomplete at the time, and the engine controls available were too primitive. This isn't anyone's fault - technology just hadn't caught up to the needs of the time. The only way to do it was to lower compression ratios, and reduce the camshaft profiles. The pellet-bed catalytic converters of the time were horribly restrictive also. About the only good thing that happened to car engines in the 1970s was the advent of good electronic ignition systems. Turbochargers were not in wide use (or production) for cars, so there were very few turbodiesel cars (mostly MB) due to the cost of the turbo itself. Normally aspirated diesels aren't exactly exciting to drive. (Trivia - when the Porsche 911 Turbo came out, parts of the turbo system were made by Lycoming, the aircraft engine company, because there weren't any suitable automotive turbo parts available.)
GM got such a bad rap on the diesel and for the most part it was unfair.
That's not totally true. There were some basic design mistakes, and a cost cutting decision you mentioned that were the downfall of the Oldsmobile diesel.
The GM diesel where sold to people that didn't know how to maintain them and by dealers that really didn't know how to maintain them. People that bought a 300D where used to paying Hans the big bucks. Olds buyers where not.
Actually, a Mercedes diesel of the time required very little maintenance (on the engine at least). Oil, coolant and filter (air/fuel/oil) changes, and that's about it. You could do it all in your driveway.
Also GM didn't put in a water separator. That was shouldn't have been an issue but right then quality of diesel went to crap and you had a lot of failed injector pumps. Again MB was used to crap fuel and put in the extra filtering needed.
This was a big problem. All diesel fuel accumulates water eventually. Diesel fuel has a lubricity requirement - because it must also lubricate the high pressure injection pump. Water is not a good lubricant. Leaving out the water separator was a cost cutting decision GM would not repeat. The later Chevrolet (designed in collaboration with Detroit Diesel) 6.2/6.5 V8 came with one, and even a warning light on the dash to indicate that there was a buildup of water in the fuel (you would then have to open a valve and drain the water out of the separator.
The problems weren't all maintenance-related. The GM 350 diesel (and the lesser-known 4.3V6 diesel used in the front-wheel-drive A-body cars, unrelated to the later Chevrolet 4.3 gas V6) was designed by reusing parts from the Oldsmobile gas V8. The blocks were made using a high-nickel iron alloy and are very strong - they're often bought from the junkyards by drag racers who want to use them as the basis to build very high powered gas engines. The cylinder heads and crankshafts were pretty much stretching the design limits of the materials they were made of, since they were designed under budget constraints. Cracked heads and broken crankshafts were not uncommon. There are tolerances in the alloy compositions (this is just a fact of life, not a GM problem) - because of this some engines got stronger crankshafts and cylinder heads (basically by chance), and there are quite a few 5.7 diesels still running around. I have a friend who was driving a 1980 Oldsmobile 98 Diesel until a few years ago when the body started to rust out.
The later 6.2/6.5 engines were very durable, because they were designed from the ground up to be diesels.
It is unfortunate that GMs design errors stained the diesel in the US
GM got such a bad rap on the diesel and for the most part it was unfair.
Well, except for the small matter of them blowing head gaskets, setting on fire, and the poor performance and reliability...
Something about them being actually petrol engines modified for compression ignition, without realising that the compression ratios would typically be double, which was out of specification for the block.
VW's and MB's engines around the same time were purpose built diesel motors. Due to the higher specifications, these motors are still running today, even if the original cars are not.
Something about them being actually petrol engines modified for compression ignition, without realising that the compression ratios would typically be double, which was out of specification for the block.
No, the block was heavily reinforced.
ALL of the Olds diesel problems can be traced back to one idiotic design decision--the lack of a fuel/water separator. That, combined with the horribly contaminated diesel fuel in the late 70s/early 80s, is what led to the Olds diesel's demise.
The GM diesel where sold to people that didn't know how to maintain them and by dealers that really didn't know how to maintain them. People that bought a 300D where used to paying Hans the big bucks.
My dad's 300D from 1982 has never required any sort of engine work. It's driven 300k miles on diesel and now 100k on vegetable oil. It's got the original transmission, the original suspension, the original brakes (this seems crazy to me, but they're in fine shape), etc. It doesn't have the original battery, filters have been replaced, and the vacuum system that controls the locks is leaky so if you shut down the car and lock/unlock cycle the doors a few times the other 3 doors will stop following the driver's door lock.
His 1994 Ford Explorer gets a new transmission every ~4 years, new brakes every 1.5 years, and required him to work on the engine for a week a few years ago. The brakes and transmission are no longer Ford parts - those failed even more often and the new brand has a lifetime warranty that gets a lot of use. The front suspension needed to be replaced, and when the brakes fail ahead of schedule (they do so by falling off while you're driving if you don't watch them closely enough to catch them a month in advance) there's a good chance you'll cause some damage requiring replacement of the axle if you have to tap the brake pedal as you get off the road.
Anecdotes, but along with similar experiences on 2 other Mercedes and 3 other American cars in this period, they're enough to make him look to the Germans when he wants a new car.
So try driving one. Then you will know. Modern diesels can be very fast indeed.
My van (a Mitsubishi L300 Delica) has a 2.5 litre turbocharged diesel engine. By North American standards it's severely underpowered, with straight line performance like an old air-cooled VW Beetle. It does what it needs to do: it cruises nicely on the highway, and has all the acceleration it needs for freeway on-ramps and city traffic.
I drive a VW Golf TDI ("turbo diesel...") for both the gas mileage and the torque. (That's good for acceleration.) To broaden your mind, stop at a VW dealership and try one out.
I love my car, but I'd replace it with a commercially available diesel electric hybrid in a heartbeat. Beyond the incredible mileage, there would be something cool about driving a diesel+electric arrangement similar to that in train locomotives.
TDI = Turbo Direct Injection (Fuel is injected straight into the cylinders)
SDI = Stratified Diesel Injection. (Same as above, no turbo).
IDI = Indirect Injector. (Fuel is injected into prechamber.) Came with and without a turbo.
Diesels have a ton of torque--they have the low end grunt needed to jam you into your seat, you just have to get used to not shifting at 6k rpm
Diesels still don't put down a ton of horsepower...
What's a ton? My daily driver [fordvehicles.com] is cranking out about 400 HP. It came from the factory at around 325.
Arco Gas Station down the street from my house - Regular 87 Octane - 3.05/g diesel 2.85/g
this is in Southern California.
If I get to the point that I can afford a 2nd car payment or pay off my new car another VW TDI will be at the top of my
When we went to Germany last year, the rental company stuck us with an Opel Vectra station wagon. (It's a GM product if you're not familiar.) The electronics sucked, the interior was cheap and breaking, but I have [b]no complaints[/b] about the quality of the diesel engine or the manual transmission. The car was suitably powerful to play on the Autobahn, yet still got over 35 MPG during the course of a two-week driving tour of Germany and Austria.
(The rental company wouldn't let us take it over ~130MPH.
In Europe, the majority of new cars sold now are diesels, and petrol stations sell more diesel than petrol. *Every* petrol station sells diesel, so that is not a problem.
For various reasons the industry in the US has shunned diesel for private vehicles.
Maybe because the public has shunned it?
Let's be honest here, the industry will do what the public wants when the public votes with their dollars.
The public in general (worldwide) will buy what they are told to by the marketers.
Diesel used to have a noisy/dirty/slow reputation in Europe too (20 odd years ago) and it persisted after the technology improved - but the car mfrs here marketed the hell out of new diesels and economy, economy, economy. They had to - it was the only way they could get their fleet average emissions to meet the EU laws.
The US left a truck-sized loophole in its laws for CAFE targets, with the result that if the mfrs could sell
For various reasons the industry in the US has shunned diesel for private vehicles. That has to change before any headway can be made.
Well, the big issue was diesel was much dirtier in North America (high sulfur content) than in Europe, and a lot of the technologies that make diesel cars behave like gas cars tend to require the clean diesel. These days though, I believe the legislation has made low-sulfur diesel mandatory, which is why we see VW and Mercedes starting to import more diesel cars.
Quite a change, really - drive a heavy SUV that gets 5L/100km or better (probably spewing less CO2 than the little car next to you...). Or the fact that the engine lacks the traditional diesel clatter normally associated with trucks, or hell, doesn't Mercedes have a thing that mixes ammonia or something with exhaust that makes the exhaust even cleaner still?
The main reason is the EPA.
US emissions restrictions are different from Europe. Not necessarily stricter, but different.
As I understand it, US emissions regulations are very strict about particulates and NOx emissions (both drawbacks for diesel. Particulates is easy to solve and has been solved, NOx is much harder.)
Euro emissions regulations are very strict about unburned hydrocarbons IIRC, which is good for diesel but bad for gasoline. They are far less strict about NOx.
For various reasons the industry in the US has shunned diesel for private vehicles. That has to change before any headway can be made.
I disagree. Diesel is a BYPRODUCT of gasoline refining. A barrel of oil (42 US gallons), when refined, yields about 19.5 gallons of gasoline and about 9 gallons of diesel. Part of the reason diesel prices got so expensive last summer is because there was no supply. Nobody was buying the expensive gasoline that accounts for more than half of all refined goods, but the big trucks and ships needed the diesel that nobody wanted to make because they couldn't sell the gasoline. Starting to see the vicious cycle? Therefore, if a bunch of people started driving diesel cars, you'd see last summer's diesel prices becoming a bit more permanent. Leave diesel to work vehicles. Cars should run on gasoline. The headway needs to be made in technologies like gasoline direct injection.
The black helicopters need to be sent in here. Gas Mileage like that is un-American. Before you know it, the schematics for the water-car will get out.
Your steam-based engine is actually coal-based.
Your coal-based steam-based water-based engine is actually solar-based.
That depends on what you're looking at. Sort of like "electric cars" are not "just electric." Something produces the electricity. Like coal. (or hydro, wind, solar, nuclear, of course..)
"...water based car's..."
Like this [seattlepi.com]?
The black helicopters need to be sent in here. Gas Mileage like that is un-American. Before you know it, the schematics for the water-car will get out.
It almost did. That's why they killed Billy Mays! [reddit.com] Yes, he had cocaine in his system but that was because he loved eating copious amounts of cash.
(whisper)When it comes to cars, the slashdotter species generally has absolutely NO idea what it is talking about. Shhhh. Here comes the posters now. Let's watch quietly as they trot out the same old ignorant meme's about hybrids, electrics and diesels.(/whisper)
By using less fuel you are shifting the tax burden onto those who cannot afford a high tech vehicle. We should expect owners of hybrids, electric cars and high efficiency vehicles to pay their fair share if they can't manage to pay their road tax through fuel purchases. Perhaps you people should be required to keep a log of your travel distances and cut a check when you renew your state registration based on your mileage.
But by using less fuel they are also producing less pollution which means fewer tax dollars total will have to go towards solving that problem. They're helping more than they're hurting. I certainly don't see the need to remove an incentive to drive a more efficient vehicle.
And in general, I reject the premise that people are morally obligated to voluntarily donate as great a portion to their income as is feasible to the government (like some of those people who say "you sh
Most states had budget shortfalls this year. Road projects are being deferred or outright canceled. If you don't mind driving over potholes, then keep driving your hybrid/electric/whatever. The pollution a car makes has zero impact on the use of the road. If people should get a break, it's people who drive motorcycles which use far less space on the road. Or compact cars which are lighter and damage the road less.
I'm surprised you didn't point out that I didn't attack bicyclists for not paying any tax at al
I live in a state with one of the highest gasoline taxes in the union, and our gas tax doesn't put a dent in our road maintenance budget, which is already not enough to properly maintain the roads.
Using less gas isn't 'shifting the burden' to those who can't afford a more efficient car, especially since there -are- efficient cheap cars. I bought my small 34 MPG car (on the efficient side for the USA) because I couldn't -afford- anything else.
Your argument tries to use economics as a way to discourage a more
Diesel engines have always been where hybrid cars should go, its just that in North America, most people avoid diesel and gas stations often don't have it.
Diesel engines afaik have always been more tunable to run very efficiently at specific speeds and are therefore a much better choice for generators in general (and are often used in that capacity). Using a fixed-speed diesel engine to generate electricity for a hybrid vehicle seems obvious, and its been done for both city buses and the military HMMV with great success.
I believe a consumer focus on gasoline has lead to car companies' focus on gasoline-electric hybrids instead of diesel-electric.
I've NEVER had a problem finding diesel. If the place you're going has *anything*. It was likely brought there by truck. Trucks run diesels, so the place you're going likely has diesel.
And you will NEVER get more efficient cruising than an engine mechanically connected to the wheels. Buses have a completely different duty cycles to most vehicles and series hybrid won't make sense to install in them. Trains use them as a transmission because a normal geared transmission would be near impossible.
You're missing the fact that in buses you're wasting all that frequent braking power which could be reclaimed, as well as the large flat roof for solar collection.
Also, as someone who drives an awful lot, there are a whole lot of gas stations out there without diesel although the situation has gotten better.
Except that you're talking about a series hybrid drive, and only the Chevy Volt works that way at the moment.
The Insight and the Prius are both parallel drive hybrids, which means the gas engine turns the wheels as well as powers up the batteries. The electric turns the wheels sometimes. The Volt's big thing is that it's a series hybrid, the drive is always electric and the gas engine runs at its high-efficiency speed to charge the batteries, then shuts off again.
Meaning that your comment would be correct if all hybrids were series hybrids, but as of now your comment would only apply to the Volt which isn't in production yet.
I'm quite certain the Volt is in fact in production [engadget.com] at this point, and yes I'm speaking of series hybrid drives but that doesn't invalidate my point at all.
My point was simply about using hybrid drives at all, and the choice to use parallel hybrid drives for gasoline engines stems precisely from inefficiencies.
As another person replied, a series hybrid will never be more efficient than a straight engine, but that's ignoring the charging of the batteries through third party options like regenerative braking, solar collection and wall sockets.
As another person replied, a series hybrid will never be more efficient than a straight engine, but that's ignoring the charging of the batteries through third party options like regenerative braking, solar collection and wall sockets.
It's also ignoring that the losses through conversion are only in the 5% to 10% range. If the gain from running the engine at a constant speed is enough to offset this loss, the hybrid *will* be more efficient.
They knew back then how much more efficient it was to have a finely tuned diesel to run at a constant RPM
No. They knew it would be practically impossible to build a mechanical transmission to handle the unbelievable loads required of a locomotive... If they wanted added efficiency, they sure screwed the pooch when they designed dynamic braking to use giant resistors, and throw away all that braking power as waste heat.
Locomotive engines certainly don't run at constant RPMs. There's no battery where the e
Diesel is good, but I'd like to see Mazda make a Wankel based Hybrid. It's low weight and excellent fixed speed performance is ideal for hybrid vehicles.
Actually, it's just the opposite - due to the fact that they throttle simply by adjusting fuel supply to the cylinders and typically do not have a throttle plate, diesel engines are FAR more efficient at reduced power levels than gasoline engines are.
As a result, one of the two main hybrid advantages (running the engine at peak efficiency) is negated. On the other hand, due to the high compression ratio, diesels are simply more efficient.
The other big hybrid advantage (regenerative braking) is still quite applicable to diesel, and in fact may be far easier to apply to diesels than to gasoline, since "ghetto hybrid" approaches like belt alternator-starter and flywheel alternator-starter can still provide great benefit. (Downshift to rev the engine and get the electric to spin - in a gas engine this will result in engine braking. Diesels don't, and in fact can't without special tricks, engine brake, so having an electric generator tied directly to the engine would still be quite effective.)
The irony is that hybrid diesels would be perfect, but nobody takes the concept to it's true potential.
Diesel electric all the way, like in train engines. A Diesel likes to have a constant RPM at it's peak performance value. Imagine connecting an alternator directly to the engine and giving up the inefficient gear system. Imagine a Diesel engine that is always at it's peak performance RPM, even when there's barely any electrical load on it. That car would be a rocket that goes for free (or almost free). It's also pretty easy to build if you have 2 things:
1) 1x 150kW alternator (it's the right amount) that also fits under the hood along with the engine.
2) 4x 40kW electric engines that you connect directly to the drive shaft (and should also fit in there somewhere).
As far as I know a 150kW alternator is very big (about as big as the engine itself) and the 40kW engines are also huge, but at least in theory this would be by far the best way to bring the top possible performance of an engine to the tarmac. Electricity is the best way to transfer energy between two points and a constant RPM diesel is the most efficient and performant diesel out there.
I wonder how well a diesel motor would do in a serial Hybrid like the Volt...
Isn't it a feature of diesels that they run best in a narrow RPM range?
That's a characteristic of ALL internal combustion engines, not just diesels. The reason it has been associated with diesels is that the common applications of diesels are those that lend themselves to narrow-range or constant rpm applications like trucks and diesel-electric trains. You could easily optimize a gasoline or methanol engine for a particular RPM range wtih similar results - a restrictor plate NASCAR motor being a hallmark example. It jusy runs around at an almost constant RPM the entire race, and it highly optimized for both power and mileage.
Isn't it a feature of diesels that they run best in a narrow RPM range?
That's a characteristic of ALL internal combustion engines, not just diesels. The reason it has been associated with diesels is that the common applications of diesels are those that lend themselves to narrow-range or constant rpm applications
Wait a minute. That's misleading.
All engines have some RPM where they have an efficiency peak and for a narrow range around that they are essentially at their peak efficiency (because the slop
The main reason gasoline hybrids get better mileage than direct-coupled engines is that the gasoline engine is not forced to operate at inefficient points on its' BSFC map (near closed throttle). The engine only runs when needed, and then it runs near its' BEP (Best efficiency point), or occasionally at maximum power which also has decent efficiency. It is not forced to idle and off-idle conditions where the pumping losses are horrible and efficiency s#x (5x fuel for same marginal power).
Diesel engines have entirely different BSFC maps, and do not suffer the same pumping losses (vacuum across throttle plate). Their drop off at idle is _much_ lower than for gasoline engines, so they're great in city-wide European traffic jams. Diesel fuel also is ~15% denser (more heat per gallon) and the higher compression ratio is about 5% more theoretically efficient.
But a diesel hybrid does not have much to gain by hybridization. The BSFC map is much flatter, and the engine restarting power & wear is considerably higher.
Which is of course why we see gasoline electric locomotives all over the place
> If we can do it I don't see any reason why major auto manufacturers can't do
> it...
Have your car's emissions tested.
Diesels are more expensive than gas engines. Hybrids are more expensive than non-hybrids. Diesel hybrids are the most expensive of the bunch. The market just isn't willing to pay an extra 8-10k for more efficiency. As it is, hybrid buyers have to wait many years to make up the difference versus similar but non-hybrid cars.
Compare the Honda Fit to the Insight.
Insight Base MSRP 19,800
Fit Base Auto MSRP 15,550
Insight MPG 41
Fit MPG 31
Assume fuel is $4.00 (higher than now) and 15,000 miles driven per year.
So basically, assuming you keep the car, you break even when you've saved 4250 on fuel. That will take 9 years.
So say you take the 50MPG diesel and turn it into a 66MPG diesel. The amount spent on fuel each year will be much smaller in the first place, so it will take even longer to pay off the investment.
Machines that have broken down will work perfectly when the repairman arrives.


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Wendell Barnhouse is a nationally-known and respected columnist who has spent over 20 years covering collegiate athletics. He has reported from 25 Final Fours and more than three dozen bowl games and has written about the Big 12 and its schools since the conference's beginning. Barnhouse will be updating the Big 12 Insider on happenings and behind-the-scenes information about the conference.
Travis Hines of The Ames Tribune with a great wrap up/review of Iowa State's men's basketball season.
Berry Tramel of The Oklahoman recalls how 10 years ago Oklahoma State's run to the Final Four helped unite the campus.
No surprise here; statistics show that Baylor's offense is the most efficient in college football.
New Kansas State coach Jeff Mittie talks about his job change and moving from TCU in this Q and A.


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Doncaster North MP Ed Miliband and Richard Desmond, owner of The Health Lottery will visit The Conservation Volunteers Green Gym project in Doncaster on Thursday to celebrate more than £1.8m being awarded to 49 TCV projects across the UK.
They will meet The Conservation Volunteers at the project which engages with local people to offer outdoor physical activity through participation in community-based environmental projects.
The projects help volunteers overcome isolation, anxiety and loneliness, as well as benefitting the community.
The visit marks £87,932 that has been awarded to two Green Gyms accessible to volunteers from Doncaster, Sheffield and Barnsley by the People's Health Trust, using funds generated by HealthRich through The Health Lottery.


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Guerrila Games treated us with another Killzone: Shadow Fall special weekend, this time themed around Valentine's Day.
Love the MP on this game, just so many countless hours of fun.
Killzone: Boring Fall.
For a low price will be issued in Europe a lot, great disappointment. Nice, but nothing more.
Killzone and Valentines day. Yeah, those mix.


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Examiner nudges U.S. to socialism
Glen Enloe
To the editor:
It was with sadness, but no real surprise, that the Examiner's lead opinion last Friday (from the Scripps Howard News Service) referred to Ted Cruz's brave stand against the atrocity known as Obamacare as "yammers." Once again, by The Examiner's selection of articles, you have firmly planted your editorial opinion on the liberal side of political mindset. Increasingly, the media and politicians seem to have no real concern about the wishes of the American people. Thinner and thinner newspapers are the result. Look at your liberal cousins, The Kansas City Star, and see how well entrenched liberal thinking works.
Yes, you and your fellow ilk of die-hard social progressives do everything you can to push and promote the radical agenda and social engineering. Until the "yammering" mainstream socialist media presents and respects opinions of conservative Americans, they will continue to lose revenue and readers.
Ted Cruz is simply a decent conservative man who has stood up for what he believes and what many of us believe about the damage Obamacare has done and is doing to the American dream. Make no mistake, Obamacare is the jackboot of socialism stuck in America's door.
You and the overwhelming progressive media can only make fun of, demean and attempt to destroy any and all patriots who speak up about Obamacare and other liberal/socialist agenda programs being shoved down our proverbial throats. Liberals have no shame, so I won't say shame on you. But I believe even Harry Truman would take you to task, only with more colorful language.
Until the "yammering" mainstream socialist media presents rational opinions of conservative Americans, they and you will continue to lose revenue and readers. Swerve away from group liberal think and quit trying to lead us merrily down the sad path toward serfdom.
Why won't Congress listen to the people?
Carl Antrim
To the editor:
Will our elected leaders ever listen?
The president and our elected leaders are ignoring what "we the taxpaying citizens have spoken for." The citizens of Missouri voted against the federal government mandating health Insurance. It has also been reported that the majority of U.S. citizens have also stated that they have the intelligence to make their own decisions concerning health care.
The direction that our federal government is taking toward the taxpaying citizens is that the government is smarter than the voters who sent them to Washington. Our government is spoon-feeding the citizens because "they know best" regardless of the cost.
Does it take a partial government shutdown for our elected officials to listen to be people and control cost?
Save money, and improve health care
Terry Flowers
To the editor:
Frequently I read or hear, "I work hard for my money and I want to keep as much as possible to spend, donate, or manage how I choose", or something to that effect. I can readily relate to that as, I too, work hard for what I have and the money that I earn. This is one of the primary reasons that I support HR 676.
If HR 676 – single-payer health-care financing, expanded and improved Medicare for All, a national, government-financed health insurance plan – were to be enacted into law over 97 percent of us would be able to keep more of the money we work so hard to earn. Yes, our taxes would be increased. However, most of us who have private, for-profit health-care insurance would save more with the elimination of premiums, co-pays, deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses than we would pay out in the increased tax.
This is also true for businesses that currently provide health-care benefits for their employees and families. Businesses would not be responsible for providing health-care benefits, and the increased tax that they would pay would be less than the share of the premiums that they are currently paying.
While I would benefit personally from HR 676, I also favor it because we would no longer have so many who are un- or underinsured who are going without the medical care they need. We would no longer see families going into bankruptcy and foreclosure due to medical bills.
I would encourage anyone who has reservations about this to do their own research. One can do a web search for HR 676 and find a great deal of information.


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Your Hands Were Made For Punching According To New Study 240
They are capable of delicate surgery, creating beautiful works of art, and comforting someone feeling down, but according to a new study your hands evolved to smash someone in the face. From the article: "Human hands evolved so that men could make fists and fight, and not just for manual dexterity, new research finds. The study, published in the Journal of Experimental Biology, adds to a growing body of evidence that humans are among the most aggressive and violent animals on the planet. 'With the notable exception of bonobos, great apes are a relatively aggressive group of mammals,' lead author David Carrier told Discovery News. 'Although some primatologists may argue that chimpanzees are the most aggressive apes, I think the evidence suggests that humans are substantially more violent.''"


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WARSAW, Poland ? Poles are voting in parliamentary elections that will determine whether the country continues on its conciliatory course with Russia and Germany, or whether it returns to a more combative stance with its historic foes.
Before Sunday's voting, surveys showed Prime Minister Donald Tusk's centrist and pro-EU party in the lead, but facing a tough challenge from Law and Justice, the conservative and nationalistic party of Jaroslaw Kaczynski.
Kaczynski, a former prime minister who was unseated by Tusk in 2007, has made several anti-German comments in recent days, indicating that his Law and Justice party is prepared to resume a confrontational tone with the large neighbor to the West.
Ties with Russia will also be determined by who wins. Tusk has been trying to mend the relationship with Poland's powerful Eastern neighbor that many Poles still fear and resent.
Polish memories remain strong of Moscow's invasion of Poland's eastern half in 1939 and its dominance of the country during the Cold War. More recent sources of friction have stemmed from Poland's support for the pro-Western Orange Revolution in Ukraine in 2005 and its acceptance of a Bush-era plan for a U.S. missile defense base in Poland ? a project that outraged Russia but which President Barack Obama has since scaled back.
A government led by Kaczynski would certainly alter the tone. His twin brother, President Lech Kaczynski, died in a plane crash in Russia in 2010 along with 95 other people, and Kaczynski has suggested that Tusk and Russian authorities are to blame for that tragedy. Tusk has said he fears Kaczynski will seek revenge on those he blames should he return to power.
Voters in this country of 38 million will elect 460 lawmakers to the lower house of parliament, the Sejm, and 100 to the Senate. The party that wins the most seats will be charged with forming a government; in the absence of an outright majority it would need to seek a coalition partner.
Most voters leaving a polling station in southern Warsaw early Sunday said they had voted for Tusk's Civic Platform.
"Tusk is the most gifted and best politician we have," said Antoni Stapka, 60, a mining engineer. "He is open to the world, pro-European and he led us safely through the crisis."
Stapka said the opposition leader, Kaczynski, gives in to frustration, changes views and is "ready to do anything for politics, even sign a pact with the devil."
But Kaczynski's Law and Justice party also has declared backers.
"They are the only trustworthy people, they stand for what is most important in a nation's life: for justice and for the rule of law," said Edward Kalina, a 62-year-old shop owner.
Polling stations across the country are open from 7 a.m. to 9 p.m. (0500 to 1900 GMT; 1 a.m. to 3 p.m. EDT). Exit polls will be released when voting ends, with official results several hours later.
By 2 p.m., voter turnout was 23 percent, according to the state electoral commission. Both of the main candidates, Tusk and Kaczynski, voted in Warsaw, with Kaczynski kissing the hand of one of the female electoral workers and Tusk shaking hands with voters.
The vote will be a major test for Tusk, who has presided over a period of remarkable growth and helped steer the state during the aftermath of the plane crash ? Poland's worst tragedy in decades.
To his supporters, Tusk is a moderate leader who has promoted stability and good relations with Germany ? which occupied Poland throughout World War II ? Russia and the European Union. They point to the fact that the economy has grown steadily on his watch, even when the rest of Europe fell into recession in 2009.
His opponents accuse him of lacking the courage to make ambitious reforms in a country with significant problems, like unemployment at nearly 12 percent and heavy state regulation that stifles businesses. The budget deficit has also grown during his term, and economists say Poland's current growth of around 4 percent will slow next year.
Kaczynski favors more state involvement in the economy to help the disadvantaged.
He is much more skeptical of outside powers and employs a strongly patriotic message. In recent days, he has provoked an uproar in Poland with a new book in which he accuses Germany of trying to subjugate Poland.
If Tusk's Civic Platform wins on Sunday, it would make history by becoming the first party to win two consecutive terms since the fall of communism in 1989, underlying the growing stability that has replaced the political turmoil of the early years of democracy.
However, surveys show it unlikely to win enough votes to have an outright majority in parliament, meaning it would likely need to find a coalition partner. It had a good relationship with its junior partner of the past four years, the farm-based Polish People's Party.
It remains to be seen whether the farm-based party will win enough seats to complete a government. Two other parties expected to win seats are the Democratic Left Alliance, and its newly formed rival, Palikot's Movement, which had some 10 percent support in recent polls, largely on populist promises.
Marian Dydka, a 43-year-old worker, said he voted for Palikot's Movement because its leader Janusz Palikot, known for his unconventional ways, is the "only one really capable of running the country."
Monika Scislowska contributed from Warsaw.
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Never really been that fussed about the Batman films. Point in fact that I've seen The Dark Knight about 3 times, just due to chance really, and I can barely remember anything that happened in it now. Don't get the hype at all.
Yeah, same. Can definitely understand when people say they find Nolan's films a bit cold. Have seen most of his films, lack soul in my view. Masterful in other ways, though.
Found out some days ago that Quentin Tarantino film is coming out in December: "Django Unchained"; quite excited for this one
Nolan's only 40 isn't he? Plenty of time to do great things. Let's face it, he's had a decent start.
Ha ha, he turns 42 next week and has already knocked out the Batman trilogy, Inception, The Presitige and Memento, and you lot are saying that it's ok because he's still got time on his side to do something really good.
FMD you're hard markers!
Sensational. Simple as that.
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RIP Craigos. A true CW legend. You will be missed.
Neat ideas but the real compexity in film, for me, comes from the people and emotions in them and Nolan's characters are generally pretty simplistic and the films are far too self-serious to be good popcorn action films. All in all, I get the feeling the best thing for Nolan before he starts his next project is to find someone to give him a decent blowjob. Needless to say, I'm sure he's taking notes from atop his giant pile of money, etc.
Yeah agree with what TC said, although, I think the Batman series and Inception etc. are actually very good popcorn films - the entertainment value isn't really what's in question for me.
I think the point stands at least to a certain extent with Inception but think Bantman has heart, Alfred being such an important character in this regard.
Watched The Rum Diary. Very good actually, not quite what I was expecting.
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The Syrian government's continued denial that it gassed its people – in the face of stark evidence to the contrary – reminds me of a chilling experience I had in Damascus in 1982.
Rumors were flying that the regime of Hafez al-Assad had massacred at least 10,000 people in the city of Hama, but the government wouldn't let anyone near the site. As I waited in the office of Information Minister Ahmed Iskandar Ahmed, I was stunned to see a large painting on the wall portraying Hama's historic city center, with its famous water wheel in the foreground; this was the exact area that had been obliterated by government shells.
When the minister emerged, I inquired about the painting.
"That is our beautiful city of Hama," he replied with a straight face. "Many tourists visit it. You should, too, some day."
Shelling? What shelling? He knew that I knew that he was lying, but he stuck to his story.
When it comes to killing his own people, nothing has changed under the regime of Assad's son, Bashar. Like Iskandar, Assad (and his Russian backers) will peddle self-serving lies with a straight face. The forensic data in this week's report by United Nations inspectors indicates that elite regime units gassed their own people. The large size and payload of the sarin-filled rockets are far beyond what the rebels are known to possess or able to handle.
(Some rebels might conceivably have obtained, or even used, small amounts of chemical weapons – although there is no evidence that this has happened – but would have nothing of this size.)
Most damning, the angle from which the rockets were fired (which the U.N. experts were able to determine) indicates the missiles came from key government bases, in tightly controlled areas that rebels could not have penetrated. U.S. satellite images reportedly confirm the data in the U.N. report.
Yet Assad and his Russian backers still insist the Aug. 21 attack was the work of rebels. Russia is already trying to undermine the U.N. findings. These blanket denials signal clearly that Assad won't destroy all his chemical weapons – as called for by a U.S.-Russian framework accord announced last week. Nor will the Russians endorse a tough U.N. Security Council resolution that promises punishment if he fails. In fact, the Russians must insist on Assad's innocence in order to defend their refusal to brand him a war criminal.
A French draft resolution called for the Security Council to refer Assad to the International Criminal Court for war crimes, which could weaken his hold on power. Any resolution containing a request for such a referral faces a certain Russian veto, so it will probably be dropped.
The Russians continue to insist the sarin attack on Aug. 21 was "fabricated" by rebels. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has cited "lots of evidence delivered by independent experts online," but the evidence is vague at best, and even bizarre. One such "expert" is a Lebanese Carmel-ite nun who is pro-Assad and frequently quoted in Russian media: She was not near the attack, but insists online that rebels kidnapped children and gassed them at East Ghouta.
Other Russian "evidence" can be traced back to fringe websites such as the conspiracy-minded Globalre-search.org, which runs unsourced pieces under banner headlines such as: "Did the White House help plan the Syrian chemical attack?"
And some "evidence" is based on outright distortion and doctored videos. Respected British security analyst and blogger Eliot Higgins (known as Brown Moses) posted three videos purporting to show that the rebels were guilty, and then detailed why he suspected the videos had been doctored. He was shocked to learn that Russia Today, a government-backed news channel, used his post to claim that he backed the thesis that rebels had launched the Aug. 21 attack.
I still believe the Russians (acting in their own self-interest) did President Barack Obama a favor by saving him from an embarrassing congressional rejection of an ill-conceived military strike. A flawed process of chemical disarmament is preferable to a flawed strike, but it must be recognized for what it is – a delaying tactic designed by Moscow to keep Assad in power. Russia's narrative of Assad's innocence is meant to ensure that neither Western arms nor diplomacy unseats him.
Anyone who hopes that the disarmament deal might lead to serious Syrian peace negotiations is indulging in self-delusion; neither Damascus nor Moscow is willing.
What, me a war criminal? Nonsense, says Assad. He will keep saying it with a straight face as he hides some containers of sarin as backup insurance, while giving up just enough so that the U.N. inspections keep going on, and on, and on.


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It means hold on to your current PGP versions.
I wont be trusting Symantec with it.
What are good open source alternatives?
GnuPG [wikipedia.org] is what you're looking for.
Is GnuPG what you need when what you are looking for is a uniform GUI for the non-technical end user and enterprise deployment and management tools for your business?
It *is* uniform if you pick one of the available GUI's and standardize on it.
GnuPG (gpg) is the underlying tools and libraries. As locklin states parralel to me, there are plenty of GUIs out there.
Have a look [gnupg.org] but realize that there are even more out there, these are just the hilights.
I coded the basics of one in PHP, but wondered if anyone had a decent implemented solution already?
Not that I am aware of, but then I am no fan of web-based anything but web pages (so, I can't say I've looked for a solution like what you ask for).
Because you trusted it when it was in the hands of McAfee? LOL.
It wasn't part of Mcafee since 2002: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Current_situation [wikipedia.org]
Truecrypt is not the same thing as PGP/GPG. Truecrypt is great, mind you, but it is not public key cryptography and signing, with web-of-trust. It's just data encryption and hiding.
Not off-topic at all.
Symantec will more than likely manage to screw this up just like they screw everything else up. Seriously, once upon a time their virus stuff was good. Now, you've gotta jump through hoops to remove it, their enterprise-level customer service is garbage, so I can only imagine how bad their home user support must be, and at some point their code base for the AV stuff grew so bloated you could run a Toyota (poorly) off it.
What's wrong with pointing out that they're simply gonna screw it up?
Yeah no crap, and not just their AV. Anybody remember when Norton Utilities was actually good? Man those were the days, we wouldn't hardly let a PC out of the shop until they had bought a copy of Norton Utilities. Hell Norton's Disc Doctor was light years better than anything MSFT had for Win9X! Then Symantec bought it and it went from a "must have" to a tool more likely to cause screw ups than to actually fix them. Norton, Partition Magic, man it seems like every decent tool Symantec gets their hands on tu
Nice to see that Symantec is continuing its tradition of buying terrific products solely to bloat them, screw them up, and effectively turn them into shit.
BackupExec, Norton Utilities, Brightmail... it's like they've got some kind of bizarre scatological alchemy going on.
I do hope that the whole disk encryption solution that PGP was offering for Mac and Linux will continue to be supported; IIRC Symantec tends not to focus overly much on non-Windows solutions.
It's Pretty Good Proprietory!
But, according to my bosses, that proprietary stuff is better! It has support contracts and since we buy the license, that must mean it's good.
It's not like Opensource stuff comes close, right?
Well, that is true for Outlook email client interfacing, which is a crapshoot anyways. The rest OpenSource handles quite well.
The rest OpenSource handles quite well.
Which is why professional graphic design have all dumped Photoshop for Duh GIMP? And all those people who work in professional video arena have dumped all their proprietary tools for KDenlive?
Here's where we get into the point of "professional tool" vs. "something I install on my home PC".
The GP was talking about software for his job. So no, your point has nothing to do with the topic.
For professional people, the cost of software like Photoshop, VS.Net, Final Cut Pro, and others is almost completely insignificant. Compared to all the other costs of doing business, it's almost crazy not to pay for it. However for the home user, or hobbyist, these products seem completely out of range with what you get out of them.
That's why home users buy Photoshop Elements [amazon.com] and they will download Visual Studio Express.
I was specifically talking about PGP vs. GPG.
Which is why professional graphic design have all dumped Photoshop for Duh GIMP? And all those people who work in professional video arena have dumped all their proprietary tools for KDenlive?
GIMP started as a toy project. It's much better now, but would certainly profit from a major redesign (and I'm *not* talking about UI here). As far as video editing is concerned, what about Lightworks?
You shouldn't be using PGP for email encryption anyways. S/MIME is built into almost all modern email clients. The real reason that email encryption has not caught on is that it is basically impossible to implement it in webmail clients. (although signing is still possible).
True, as I was looking at S/MIME with openSSL. That implementation would be quite clean, with the right certificates.
Turns out they wanted more than S/MIME and GPG/PGP was the next tool on the list to look at.
Also true about the webmail client. I have a firefox addon that'll do both sign and encryption for gmail, but never really have a use for it.
You shouldn't be using PGP for email encryption anyways. S/MIME is built into almost all modern email clients.
Does S/MIME work with a web of trust like that of PGP and other implementations of OpenPGP, or does it rely exclusively on central commercial certificate authorities?
S/MIME relies entirely on central certificate authorities. Of course in a corporate environment you would create your own certificate authority.
Which is great and all, for everyone who don't have a magical CA available to them, or the cash to shell out to a commercial CA.
They're freely available from comodo and instantssl. http://www.instantssl.com/ssl-certificate-products/free-email-certificate.html [instantssl.com] http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-security/free-email-certificate.php [comodo.com]
However they just verify your email address not your identity, but fortunately nobody is going to notice that...
... which rely on companies.
GPG doesn't. It's not centralized, by nature.
It absolutely does not. Those are handy places to find new keys, but it's perfectly possible for someone to simply send you their public key as part of the first exchange, and then do whatever sort of out-of-band validation you'd do with a key you found in the keyserver.
In addition to what profplump just said, you realize that MIT isn't a "company"? It's an educational institution.
Besides, you don't even NEED keyservers for the system to function.
you realize that MIT isn't a "company"?
This page begs to differ [mit.edu]. MIT is a non-profit corporation.
Besides, you don't even NEED keyservers for the system to function.
Without keyservers, how would you follow the signature chain in order to verify that the public key that you're using to encrypt a message actually belongs to the recipient?
By them giving me said key through any other secure means, including physically.
You got me with MIT. Though, do you really trust random for-profit over MIT?
If I want top notch security and not trusting some firm (possibly a CA that is offshore and is hostile to anything the country I reside in anyway), I will be using a PGP/gpg web of trust. I will either get a copy of the public key of someone face to face printed physically with a fingerprint (and will download and verify the public key and has from a keyserver), or I will agree on a passphrase that is used only once, and that is to send and receive a copy of the public key.
I also don't like keeping my public key that would be needed for S/MIME on an online machine. My secure private key resides on a machine that isn't Internet connected, it will reside on a smart card, or it will be on a smart card and used on an offline machine, so an attack would have to be done on a physical/local level in order to compromise my private key material. I do use S/MIME and a client key, but that is mainly a stopgap, better than nothing measure, compared to actual end to end manual encryption of data with gpg or PGP.
PGP WOTs were in use a lot in the early to mid 1990s by cypherpunks, but for the most part, convenience won over security and it is extremely rare for someone to use a public key of someone to send mail. A good WOT is far better than a CA. I have more trust in a public key claimed to be someone that is 3-4 links out from me on my PGP/gpg keyring than I do a key that is signed by a CA and told "hey, trust us." Of course, creating a WOT is a lot harder than just letting a CA do the work, but like Phil Zimmermann said, it is better to pack your own parachute when security is critical.
Another use for PGP over S/MIME is signing of files. A signed E-mail is difficult to forward and keep the integrity intact. However, if I have a file and a PGP/gpg signature of it (or just a PGP signed file), I can forward it, archive the two files, back them up to whatever backup media, and all it takes is a validation in the future to ensure that the file and the signature were not tampered with, assuming I have the public key in my keyring, and that hasn't been tampered with. Of course, I can use facilities like the file signing capabilities built into Acrobat, Word, or other software, but again, I have to use a third party CA, or pay for a special signing key, as opposed to a secure WOT. Plus, some files (archives and such) can't be signed internally, so having a separate
S/MIME is decent, built into most dedicated E-mail clients, and is better than nothing. However, if you want reliable E-mail security, you are best off using a PGP/gpg WOT.
I just want a nice lock icon in clients inboxes. It makes them feel all warm and fuzzy.
Arg... this is so painful to read. What is with the mods? +1 Long post?
If I want top notch security and not trusting some firm (possibly a CA that is offshore and is hostile to anything the country I reside in anyway), I will be using a PGP/gpg web of trust.
I'm not a big defender of the big CAs, but trust chains serve a purpose. In a WOT, who first decides that someone really is associated with a given name, and why on Earth do you trust _them_? Sure, you will all be talking to the same person, but who is that? The point of the chain model is that at least someone is responsible for verifying a certificate holder's identity in some minimal way. To what length they go depends on wh
You know, I've seen a lot of that in the corporate world. That's why folks have gone with RHEL rather than Fedora. They get to pay for something, so they feel better about it.
Of course, Microsoft servers are that much better, in that they can pay more for them.
Way back in the day, one boss was interested in going to Linux, but he couldn't find anything that satisfied his needs to pay for it. That was primarily a BSDi shop, but it switched over to Windows be
Actually, CentOS is the free version of RHEL; Fedora has an 18 month lifecycle.
You'd have to be some kind of masochist to deploy that as a server to an environment of more than a few servers.
Or an idiot.
I've got to pull/clean lots of Fedora-Core 7 (or older) dedicated servers because of inept customers.
Off the record, once they deployed, they stayed like that forever. No patches, no upgrades, nothing. The party line was "It works this way, and has worked this way, we'll keep doing it this way." That was regardless of the fact that machines got exploited. If it didn't come in on the install CD, they didn't want it. Some days I'd just sit down and cry.
Ahem, just to clarify what you mean by lifecycle.
Fedora has a 6 month release cycle, CentOS has an 18 month release cylce. This is how often they come up with a new version.
Fedora provides updates for the last 3 versions so 18 month supported updates.
CentOS provides updates for 5-7 years same as RHEL.
> Evolution works as well as Outlook
Not on clustered Exchange it doesn't! Tried it with the mapi plugin...no good.
But as far as GPG is concerned, it's well done. Integrated nicely as it should be.
This is a smart move on their part, but I just have a really bad feeling about this.
I have zero trust when it comes to Symantec.
Just another enterprise company that Symantec will acquire, make a half-hearted attempt to integrate it into their company, then systematically lay off all the workers, outsource product development to India, release a nearly completely nonfunctional successor to it, and eventually cancel it outright after the support contract revenue dries up. I've seen this worthless company pull this stunt too many times to expect anything different.
Note to CEOs: getting acquired by Symantec is corporate suicide. If you care at all about your employees or your product, the correct answer is not "no", but rather "hell f**king no". Just saying.
You can just bet there will be backdoors for the NSA/CIA/FBI/etc in no time.
>> You can just bet there are already backdoors for the NSA/CIA/FBI/etc.
Fixed that for you.
There was a time when despite not being Open Source licensed, the source was available. I don't know if it's still the case.
Regardless, I would assume the NSA has its fingers everywhere. Backdoors are not trivial to catch in the source code, like the famous if (uid = 0) test on an obscure flag combination on an obscure call.
Don't get me wrong, I'll trust OSS a lot more if the code can be read by anyone,but what good is the potential if no one actually does it?
The beauty is the I don't do anything the NSA cares about, I just like my privacy. Anyone powerful enough to get my personal data has bigger fish to fry.
but what if the agent just needs a few XP to "level up"??
I don't do anything the NSA cares about right now,
Fixed that for you.
It used to be the Japanese, then the commies, now the Muslims. Who's to say in 20 years it wont be some group you happen to be a part of.
Until you come to realise that, with all that expensive computing power and data mining algorithms, they can happily fry you, your neighbours and the big fish in the same pan.
I was trying to differentiate ability to get info on
GPG is out there { http://www.gnupg.org/ } and we should use it.
Privacy is a human right. Democracy can't work if it's citizens are controlled like slaves in the roman empire.
Freedom is ours to take! Long live the RPG!
Freedom is ours to take! Long live the RPG!
Rocket propelled grenades?
Ya, that doesn't quite make sense. An RPG survives until it hits the target. While I like explosions as much as any pyromaniac, they aren't designed to be long lived items unless you never use them. What fun is a box full of RPGs when you don't use it?
I think he meant Final Fantasy.
Long live Final Fantasy indeed.
Long live ROT13!
"...that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of BOOM HEADSHOT!"
This really sucks. In dial-up days, I used a cool, lightweight firewall application published by WRQ [wikipedia.org] called AtGuard [cryogenius.com]. Symantec licensed the product and incorporated it into their own software; the stand-alone product known as AtGuard then disappeared from the market. I used to use Partition Magic [wikipedia.org]. Again, Symantec bought it and it exists no more.
With that little bit of sample history, I'm sure we can bid PGP farewell.
I work for a giant TLA. [irs.gov] Our AV is Symantec. Our removable media and whole-disk encryption products are in mid-migration to all-GERS (from a combination of GERS and WinMagic).
We're headed straight to hell, aren't we?
I work for a giant TLA. [irs.gov]
humm I believe you have already arrived
It's a pretty nice place to work if you're in IT. Other parts of the organization vary widely. Generally speaking, if you're willing to work hard at helping people, you can find a place to do it here.
This may be blasphemous, but I actually *like* my job.
It's not blasphemous.. your fortunate that you like where you work and what you do.
personally i like where i work but not exactly what i do.. but i'll take the good with the bad to not have to live in an over crowded city and have more than a 15-20min commute
I've kept a copy of the installer for the freeware version of PGP before they started getting uppity about it.
Works on XP just great. Version 8.0.2.... dunno if this version is still found in the wild....
But if you follow the links to download, they go back to pgp.org where you have to pay $$$$
PGP got taken over by McAfee / Network Associates years ago. Look here: http://www.openpgp.org/members/nai.shtml [openpgp.org]
They took it over and killed it.
Well, it was already dead. Although we loved PGP at the time because it was encryption when no one was allowed to have it, the product itself was very badly designed. The user interface was hostile (Trust? Invalid? Implicit? WTF?), and although they provided E-mail plugs for Eudora and Outlook they never supplied one for Mozilla/Thunderbird. You had to copy paste th
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1/2 cup packed brown sugar
1/3 cup rolled oats
1/3 cup whole wheat flour
3 tsp. ground cinnamon
1/4 tsp. salt
1/2 cup cold butter, cut into pieces
1/2 cup walnuts, chopped fine
7-8 (about 2 lbs.) apples
1/4 cup white sugar
1/4 tsp. ground cloves
Mix brown sugar, oats, flour, salt & 1 tsp. cinnamon. Cut butter into dry ingredients until crumbly. Add walnuts. Wash, core and slice apples thinly (peel if desired). Mix apples, sugar, 1 tsp. cinnamon and cloves. Transfer apple mixture to large, greased baking pan and spoon oat mixture over top. Bake at 375° until apples are tender and topping is browned, about 55 minutes. Let cool 15 minutes before serving.