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Apple used its sold-out Worldwide Developer Conference in San Francisco Monday as a stage for unveiling a new line of MacBook Airs and a next-generation MacBook Pro that the mobile giant proclaimed to be the "most beautiful computer" it has designed to date.
As anticipated, the company also took the wraps off two new software updates: its new Mountain Lion OS, which will arm the refreshed MacBook line with a slew of new features including integration with iCloud, along with iOS 6, a revamped OS for the iPad and iPhone.
The new line of MacBook Airs consists of an 11-inch model and a 13-inch model that come equipped with Intel HD Graphics 4000 and 4 GB of RAM. The lower-end 11-inch model, which starts at $999, comes with either 64 GB or 128 GB of flash storage and can reach clock speeds up to 1.7GHz with Intel's third-generation i5 core processors.
[Related: Apple May Be On The Hook For $2.25M In Australia iPad Case]
The new 13-inch MacBook Air starts at $1,199 and comes with either 128 GB or 256 GB of flash storage. As the higher-end of the two new models, it can reach clock speeds up to 1.8GHz.
Both the 11-inch and 13-inch MacBook Air are poised to counter this year's new wave of Ivy Bridge-based Ultrabooks, measuring a mere 0.68 inches thick and weighing in at 2.38 and 2.96 pounds, respectively.
"It's revolutionized the notebook. It's a breakthrough. Everyone is trying to copy it," Phil Schiller, senior vice president of product marketing at Apple said of the MacBook Air, according to a report Monday from The Verge. "They find it's not so easy."
Following in the footsteps of the MacBook Air, the traditionally more heavy-duty MacBook Pro also received a makeover. A new 13-inch model starting at $1,199 and a 15-inch model starting at $1,799 measure 0.95 inches thick, and both have been updated with the latest Intel processors and are said to be twice as fast as their predecessors.
Apple also introduced a "next-generation" MacBook Pro that touts the same buzzed-about Retina Display delivered with the new iPad. A 2880-by-1800 resolution positions the new Pro, according to Apple, as the "highest-resolution notebook display" on the market. It also has a whopping 768 GB of flash storage, boasts seven hours of battery life and is the thinnest MacBook Pro frame to date, measuring 0.71 inches and weighing 4.5 pounds.
The "next-generation" MacBook Pro, like the new 13- and 15-inch models and refreshed line of MacBook Airs, comes with Intel's Thunderbolt technology and USB 3.0. It's selling for $2,199.
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(Not) The End Of The World was a a videogame developer panel discussion jointly produced by International Game Developers Association-Austin and KLRU on January 4, 2013 in KLRU's Studio 6A. The featured videos consist of the 12 main questions asked of the panel that evening.
The discussion both played with the idea of the predicted end of the world in 2012 and the state of the gaming industry while highlighting the work done in Austin on five very high-profile games DARKSIDERS 2, DISHONORED, PIRATE101, HALO 4 and STAR WARS: THE OLD REPUBLIC. Seven panelists from the five studios with a base in Austin representing these games answered questions meant to provide basic understanding about how they were able to enjoy success in a year marked by difficulty, and their foresight into the future in a world that has yet to end.
Thanks to IGDA-Austin, our panelists and moderator, our volunteer staff and our studio audience!

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As you may already know, storytelling can be a powerful tool in any marketer's repertoire. Crafting and telling engaging stories is an important skill to develop.
"If you know what story your customers live in, you can sell to them with ease.
… there is one thing I know for certain: You want to make your story BETTER.
Stories run deep. If you want to change the story you've been in to the story you want to be in, it's best to just assume it's going to take everything you've got. If there's a resource that is capable of improving your story, you should avail yourself of it."
I really like this article because of the solid advice it gives about how to frame and orient your business stories. For example, it's all about THEM and not you! And work with an org story professional to make sure you've got the stories well crafted (even I do this). Plus, if you are not happy with the story that defines you, then change it!
There are the points about Eucatastrophe and and lessons from Captain America. Fun, imagintative, and great points/reminders for us all!


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That work for everyone?
A couple Soobs on the dunes was fun.
Half a dozen would be awesome.
We can roam around like a scene out of Mad Max. (At least I know my Soob looks the part. Hell I can even wear some of my clubbin gear and then I'll look the part. )
And remember. It's $5 per vehicle on the dunes. (last time Greg forgot to bring cash.... I traded him a pint of brew afterwards for his entry in to the dunes. )They never SEEM to check, but if ya don't have the little ticket stub they'll nab ya. And there were half a dozen Forest Service and Sheriff's roaming around last time.
I'd be all for this weekend but that would be short notice and my sweety DJ's this saturday night.
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Apple Friday patched a serious flaw in its Apple ID security system that would have enabled an attacker to reset a target's password to a password of their own choosing.
Apple took its Apple ID "reset your password" -- a.k.a. "iForgot" -- page offline Friday after The Verge reported that a "step-by-step tutorial" had been published to the Web, detailing how to take advantage of the flaw.
While the site didn't publish a link to the tutorial, it noted that "the exploit involves pasting in a modified URL while answering the DOB security question on Apple's iForgot page" and providing a target's email address. The vulnerability would allow an attacker to access a person's iTunes account, iCloud email and any other sensitive data they stored in Apple's cloud.
Apple Friday confirmed the vulnerability in a statement to The Verge. "Apple takes customer privacy very seriously," it said. "We are aware of this issue and working on a fix." By later Friday, according to the Apple system status page, the password-reset feature had been restored.
[ Security fixes are becoming more commonplace for Apple. Read Apple Fixes iOS Lock Bypass. ]
The password-reset flaw was spotted just one day after Apple debuted a new two-step authentication system for Apple IDs. Such a system would help prevent the sort of "life hack attack" used to compromise journalist Mat Honan last year, after an attacker phoned up Apple's support line and pretended to be Honan, then reset Honan's password to arbitrary one of their own choosing.
"Seven months ago, Apple faced a huge blast of negative publicity when a journalist lost his fruit-flavored digital life after an attacker tricked Apple's support staff into handing over his Apple ID password," said Paul Ducklin, head of technology for Sophos in the Asia Pacific region, in a blog post.
Enter two-factor authentication, Apple-style. "You log in as usual, then Apple SMSes you a one-time magic code which you need to type in to complete the authentication process," said Ducklin. "Not perfect, and nowhere near as good as a standalone access token like your bank might have given you, but a definite step forward."
So far, two-step verification appears to be available for only some users in the United States, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.
But Apple's new two-step authentication system requires a three-day cooling-off period, meaning that even if a user activated it Thursday, it wouldn't have blocked attacks using the vulnerability that came to light Friday. "This waiting period helps ensure that no one other than the owner of this Apple ID can set up two-step verification," explains Apple's two-step set-up page.
Apple's iForgot fix followed the company issuing a raft of security updates Tuesday, including iOS 6.1.3, which patched a lock screen bypassing bug.
By Wednesday, however, an iPhone hacker known as "videosdebarraquito" posted a video to YouTube demonstrating a technique for bypassing the lock screen on iOS 6.1.3, which involves having physical access to a device and being able to remove the SIM card. Until Apple issues a new fix, the vulnerability can be mitigated by deactivating the iPhone's "Voice Dial" feature, which uses Siri voice recognition.
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Congrats on being our Pet of the Day! :) Your colors are brillant as are you.
I would love to listen to you talk and hear your command of sounds. You are quite the intelligent bird. I'm thrilled that your companion took the time to study about your species. You have enriched your human's life and found a forever home. May God bless you with lots of fun and adventures. You are a well rounded little guy.....Mozart and Dean Martin! Too cute, as are you. It's been a pleasure to meet and learn about you this morning. Enjoy your special day! :D
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"Semantic Externalism: Ignoring Twin-Earth and Doing Naturalistic Philosophy" by Richard Boyd (Cornell University)
Date: 3:30pm - 5:00pm PST February 8, 2013 Location: J.R. Howard Hall 202
J.R. Howard Hall 202
Semantic externalists maintain that the semantic content of our beliefs and other propositional attitudes are determined by environmental or social factors. What they mean by this is not just the commonplace and uncontroversial idea that environmental and social factors are important causes of our beliefs and other propositional attitudes. That's uncontroversial. What they have in mind is a controversial idea about what, for example, makes a belief that the Eifel Tower is in Paris a belief about the Eifel Tower. There are different varieties of externalism but most would maintain that a person's belief could not count as a belief about the Eifel Tower unless that person was causally connected (however indirectly) in the right way with the actual Eifel Tower. Similarly many externalists have maintained that linguistic and conceptual norms in a person's community constrain what belief contents can be properly attributed to her. I'll defend semantic externalism as an empirical claim about human cognitive psychology, albeit a claim that only a philosopher would dream up.


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October 24, 1927 - May 4, 2013
Wawarsing, NY
Florence C. Lennon of Wawarsing, NY died Saturday, May 4, 2013 at Health Alliance, Broadway Campus. She was 85 years old. Mrs. Lennon was born in Shokan, NY on October 24, 1927; she was the daughter of Mitchell and Leona (Beesimer) Avery.
Mrs. Lennon was a member of the Women's Bowling Association, the Shawangunk Seniors and the Accord-Kerhonkson Golden Age Seniors. She enjoyed BINGO, bowling and working in her flower gardens.
Florence is survived by her children (whom she lovingly referred to as her gems): Gilbert T. Lennon Jr., David A. Lennon and his wife, Robin, Daniel Lennon and his wife, Valetta, Patricia A. Gosselin and her husband, Dennis, Katherine A. Lennon and her fiance, Vaughn Cannon and Meredith Pomeroy and her husband, James; her brothers: Gilbert, James, Larry and Robert Avery; her sisters: Rosie Rider, Shirley Lyons and Virginia Gray; 12 grandchildren and 17 great grandchildren.
Florence was predeceased by her husband, Gilbert T. Lennon Sr.; her sons: James, Jeffrey and Donald; her brothers: Bill and Mike Avery and her sister, Anna Salmi.
Memorial visitation will be held Saturday, May 11th from 5 to 8 p.m. at H.B. Humiston Funeral Home, Kerhonkson. Inurnment will be private.
Contributions may be made in Florence's name to the American Cancer Society or the American Heart Association.
To send a personal condolence to Florence's family please visit www.humistonfuneralhome.com.


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posted by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Apr 2007 20:56 UTC, submitted by BlueVoodoo
"This article, the first in a five-part series on real-time Java, describes the key challenges to using the Java language to develop systems that meet real-time performance requirements. It presents a broad overview of what real-time application development means and how runtime systems must be engineered to meet the requirements of real-time applications. The authors introduce an implementation that addresses real-time Java challenges through a combination of standards-based technologies."


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CRYSTAL LAKE – The Running Depot in downtown Crystal Lake moved to a larger store on Williams Street as it looks to offer more shoes, running gear and training services.
The city's downtown has seen a mini-renaissance of sorts in the last two years as new restaurants and stores have opened throughout the area.
The Running Depot, a hot spot for the local running community since 2002, moved to a 2,500 square-foot store two doors down on Williams Street, said store manager and local running expert Cari Setzler. Its former store had about 800-feet of retail space and set back from the street.
The new store at 30-H N. Williams St. officially opened for business Monday.
Employees had been busy in recent weeks putting the final touches on the new store ahead of the opening.
"We're very excited about this opportunity," Setzler said.
With more than three times as much space, the Running Depot will expand its selection of footwear and apparel. It also will offer more room for gait analysis and other community programs, Setzler said. The Running Depot also plans to offer expanded hours.
The Running Depot provides beginner 5 kilometer, half-marathon, and 50-kilometer race training programs as well as individualized coaching, and other courses for runners. Setzler has coaching certifications from several different organizations.
The business sponsors a number of local charity walking and running events each year. It is owned by Pam Andrews.
To celebrate the reopening, the store is hosting a 2- to 6-mile run and walk at 7:30 a.m. Saturday. The fun run will start at the store and be followed by breakfast.
The store's new location is directly on Williams Street in the Brink Street Market. The new location will make it more visible to shoppers, said Diana Kenney, executive director of Downtown Crystal Lake, a nonprofit organization dedicated to downtown businesses.
Though there are some vacancies in the Brink Street Market, Kenney said there was only one other empty storefront on Williams Street. Demand has remained strong for downtown properties, but the area was hurt by the recession.
"The recession did hit us, but not as dramatically as Route 14," Kenney said. "We are certainly bouncing back."
Kenney said she was pleased with the mix of stores and restaurants in the downtown area.


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Anyway, today's weather gives me hope.
To complete the look, I added some fun accessories and, of course, my fav LV bag in the perfect navy shade.
Oh, and leopard shoes never hurt.
top: Club Monaco
pants: Forever 21
bag: Louis Vuitton Lumineuse PM in Infini
shoes: Tory Burch
J. Crew bubble necklace (outlet)
C. Wonder spike bangle
C. Wonder initial bangle
hammered cuffs from thecurrentcustom.com


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Let's face it. First impressions count. A lot. It might not be fair, but potential employers are judging you well before they ever even speak to you. So in order to ensure you get past their initial radar, you may need to adjust your image on a few important details:
1. Your voicemail or answering machine message. As a new college graduate, you want to portray an image of someone who is capable and organized. So, with this in mind, listen to your current greeting. Do you really sound like someone you'd want to hire? If you have "I'm Here for the Party" blaring in the background, your friends laughing in the distance, or your kids chirping "hello", then you'll want to change it right away, or at least while you are waiting for those first interview phone calls to come.
2. Your "message takers". Speaking of friends and kids, will anyone else be in a position to take a phone message for you? If so, make sure you train them on how to answer the phone & take messages properly. It's so important that they get the contact person's name, company name, and phone number written down completely and correctly. In my work as a career counselor, unfortunately I've seen this happen time and time again. A student will come to me with a partial message and will be desperate in their attempt to figure out just which "Bob" called them about an accounting job interview. So, if you can't trust your roommates or kids to take phone messages correctly, you might consider purchasing a special cell phone that only you have access to, and then only listing that particular number on your resume. The cost of the phone may even be tax deductible since it would be for job search purposes.
3. Your email address. Although this one seems like a "no-brainer", make sure your email address sounds professional, too. Trust me, an employer will think twice about emailing "kegmaestro" about his or her credentials. (And "yes", I've seen this and worse on college student resumes, believe it or not.). Even if your email address isn't obviously unprofessional like this example, if you catch yourself thinking twice about whether or not yours is appropriate, I suggest that you go the safe route, and change it temporarily. NOTE: If you do opt to change your email address for the job search, remember to check it frequently! I have seen dozens of students change their email address, and then miss out on opportunities because they would only check the new account once a week or so. Better yet, set up your job-search account so that it forwards directly to your regular email account so you won't miss a beat.
4. Your personal webpage. Many of my students opt to showcase their technical skills to an employer by providing the URL for their personal webpage on their resume. Great idea! Just be cautious about a few things. First, make sure that your personal webpage doesn't give an employer a reason not to hire you. For instance, you might want to take down questionable photos from spring break, blogs that have you discussing how terribly the interview process is going for you, or anything else that might make you seem unreliable, unprofessional, or "difficult to work with". The internet is an amazing tool, but it also provides job seekers with a disadvantage. Certain kinds of personal information are considered "protected information", which means that employers can't ask you for details about it. However, with the accessibility of personal webpages, it is extremely easy for an employer to learn all sorts of things about you that they really shouldn't consider before they hire you.. So, if there is something you wouldn't want to be judged on, make sure that information isn't right there on your personal webpage. And finally, make sure that all of the "links" on your page actually work. It's not that you won't get a job because you have a broken link on your webpage...I'm just saying that you'll look more professional when all of the details are taken care of.
5. Your new industry. Take care to reflect an appropriate image for the industry in which you want to work. Generally speaking, law, finance, accounting, and government tend to be more "formal" fields, so the way that you present yourself in both your dress and communications needs to be conservative, as well. Media, entertainment, teaching, fashion, and advertising will expect to see more of your personal, yet professional, flair.
Some final words. The switch from college student to "professional" can be quite difficult for some people. I know that "deleting" so much of your personality from your email address and your voicemail can seem hideously boring, and it can make the transition seem that much harder. I'm not asking you to lose yourself, though! It is important that employers see YOU and all of the magnificent things that you have to offer them. By following these simple guidelines, it will actually be easier for them to recognize your strengths, because they won't get "hung up" on questioning whether or not you are ready for their "real world". With the competitiveness of the job market, employers are looking for reasons "not" to call you…to put your application in the "rejection pile". Most likely, you just spent several years and several thousand dollars on your college education. So if it takes a few minor adjustments to get your foot in the door, don't you think it's worth it?


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MISENHEIMER, N.C. – King College had control of their final road contest for nearly 29 of the game's 40 minutes, but the Falcons of Pfeiffer University rallied to erase a 10-point lead in the final 11 minutes and hold off the Tornado, 89-85, Saturday night.
King (21-6, 13-2) led by as many as 18 points heading into the final minute of the first half but saw the lead disintegrate to nine points after the first two possessions of the second half. Eddie Piccinini (Orlando, Fla.) knocked down back-to-back three pointers to help build the lead back to 12 points, 60-48, but near the 11:30 mark Pfeiffer made its break to take their first lead since the game's opening minutes.
The Falcons (12-12, 6-8) drew within two points of the Tornado with 6:48 to go after a pair of Reggie Hollinger free throws, but Piccinini continued to rain threes from all over the court and helped push the King lead back to five points on the next drive, 75-70. Pfeiffer finally tied the game and retook the lead two minutes later on a pair of Tayron Gibson free throws after being fouled while in the double bonus.
Piccinini hit his seventh three of the night to temporarily retake the lead, 80-78, but in the last 2:22 the Falcons went on an 11-5 run to close out the game. Brian Hewitt (Lexington, Ky.) hit a three pointer with 27 seconds left on the clock to tie the game at 85, but on their last possession the Falcons' Daniel Kuhn hit a jumper with three seconds remaining, delivering the Tornado their second conference loss by an 89-85 final score.
Piccinini led the Tornado with 27 points, hitting seven of his eight makes from behind the arc. He finished 7-for-10 from three-point range and added four assists. Hewitt was back in form, hitting 3-of-6 from distance and 6-of-11 from the field en route to an 18-point night. Logan Lyle (Unicoi, Tenn.) and Brandon Goss (St. Louis, Mo.) each scored in double figures, posting 12 and 10 points, respectively. Lio Gedeon (Marsh Harbor, Bahamas) tallied 10 rebounds.
King now has a firm hold on the No. 2 overall seed in Conference Carolinas heading into the final game of the 2011-12 season. They are the top-seed in the West Division after clinching nearly two weeks ago with a win at home over Belmont Abbey (Feb. 8).
The Tornado will host Erskine College on Friday, Feb. 24, at the Student Center Complex for Senior Night. The action will begin at 5:30 p.m. when the Lady Tornado open action against the Flying Fleet. The Tornado will take the court at 7:30 p.m., tentatively.


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Recently selected as one of Boston's 25 most fashionable people, Boston Bruins defenseman Aaron Ward had this to say today about the club's new third jersey:
"I love it. It's understated. It's got a little bit of a link to the past with the emblem on the front. They didn't try to do too much. I think it's classy, it's good."
There could be just one down side to the predominantly black jersey:
"There was some study out there about referees and black jerseys, that it didn't bode well for the team in black. … So we'll have to be extra disciplined," said Ward with his tough planted in his cheek.


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Title: Nightmare Inspector: Yumekui Kenbun Vol 1
Author: Shin Mashiba
Publisher: Viz
May Contain Spoilers
Hiruko is a baku, and when he's not hanging out at the Silver Star Tea House, he's helping people find relief from their nightmares. In exchange for rescuing them from their torment, he only wants to eat their dreams. Sounds like a fair price to pay. But is it, really? Are dreams really that cheap?
While I found the illustrations in Nightmare Inspector very appealing, I thought the stand alone chapters were a bit mediocre. Hiruko is indifferent to his clients' plights. He only cares about eating people's dreams, and since they are more tasty when tinged with tragedy, he doesn't exactly go out of his way to ensure that everyone has the best outcome possible. In "Writing," he even makes things worse, at the request of the troubled would-be murderess who has hired him. Talk about not thinking things through!
Each of the chapters end with a good old dash of irony, and that's what really kept me reading. The chapters are fairly short, and there's little character development. There's no background on Hiruko, and without knowing what makes him tick, all the rest of the action is a little boring. It seems like he's just going through the motions of investigating the dreams, without any real interest in the task at hand. All he wants is his pay off, the client's dream. Hopefully future volumes will address this shortcoming.
The art is lovely, with deft, exquisite lines creating a visually engaging world. The backgrounds are lavish and contain more detail than the chapter plots, as Western influences mesh with traditional architectural styles. Set at the end of the Taisho Era (1912-1926), the characters are dressed in both Western and Japanese clothing, making for a fascinating blend of fashion. I loved the flowing kimonos, with their billowing folds and textured patterns. The page layouts also managed to grab my attention, and I will pick up the next volume mainly for the artwork, as the rapid-fire chapters didn't really win me over.
Grade: C+
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Nov. 24, 2008 - Coalition forces killed seven armed militants yesterday during an operation to disrupt Taliban roadside bomb and foreign-fighter networks in eastern Afghanistan, military officials reported. Coalition forces targeted one of Ghazni province's alleged senior Taliban commanders believed responsible for directing roadside bombs and other attacks in the region. The commander allegedly facilitated the movement of foreign fighters, weapons and bomb-making materials into the province.
After coalition forces reached the targeted building, they instructed the people inside to surrender. A woman and two children exited the building peacefully.
As coalition forces attempted to safeguard the local residents, militants barricaded inside the compound attacked forces with small-arms fire and hand grenades. Coalition forces returned fire killing the seven armed militants inside. The woman and children were moved to a safe location.
Inside the compound, forces seized machine guns, AK-47 rifles, grenades and roadside bomb-making materials.
(Compiled from a U.S. Forces Afghanistan news release.)
Monday, November 24, 2008
Coalition Kills Seven Militants, Hit Taliban Bomb Network
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He left a message to the effect that I was a stupid selfish lady dog and that he had given me the chance to do the right thing without it costing me and now it will.
Yeah I'd double check your credit and ask a lawyer how to make sure he can't use your home in any way. What an idiot he is! And a bully by the sounds of it.
Please, please contact the credit reporting agencies and have your credit locked down so that you get an alert any time there is any activity whatsoever. Better yet, sign on with Lifelock or a similar agency to protect yourself. It's much easier to prevent credit fraud than it is to fix it. And if he continues to contact you, I only have two words for you: protective order.
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Oh well, I suppose all it did was end it up in a different part of the site
When you hear the term "hacker" you likely think about a nasty person who has no regard for privacy or others. Someone who is a social outcast and lives only to destroy what others have created using today's recent technology. However, jumping to conclusions like this could unjustly put somebody in jail.
If I said "network security administrator," you probably think about someone who looks after a network and ensures that it is secured for use. What you may not know is that in order to ensure that a network is safe and secure; it must be tested by the "hacking" skills of a Network Security Administrator.
On many occasions are people unjustly accused of "terrible crimes", just because somebody used the word "hack" in front of the judge. If you were an FBI agent, that is likely all you would have to do to put somebody behind bars for a large portion of their life.
Many law officials take the term as a greatly negative sign. This stereotypical view is brought on by material that the media distorts for its public audience. Only the black-hat hackers(people that hack without the regard for others) are given their fifteen minutes of fame. White-hat hacker achievements pass along silently, rarely with any media attention. Only in the network security community are they recognized, and often not very well known.
In the case of our dear Jeremy Hammond, 5000 credit card numbers were acquired by a means... deemed not legally acceptable. Although he did not use them at all, and the Judge concurred that he was likely not going to end up using them, he was still charged a hefty fine of $500 a piece(ended up to be valued at 24 months in prison, 3 years probation after 'intent of use' laws were applied). In my opinion, someone who say... stole a company computer that had access to the database and printed off the credit card numbers would have accumulated a much smaller fine, mainly because hacking is viewed socially unacceptable by such a large portion of the community.
It just goes to show that no matter who you are, someone (*cough* media *cough*) will always find a way to bend the truth away from what it really is. So, the next time some guy in a black suit and sunglasses shows up at your door asking what you like to do on your computer, make sure you replace all instances of the word "hacker" with "network security tester".


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I'm kindof afraid that your backyard is going to become the first physical place to be slashdotted.
Don't jack around with Kryptonite. It can leave very nasty burns.
It would have been nice if he would give some idea of location. Is this in the US, Europe, etc.? Someone here might know the local geography. The bits of metal don't look all that weird to me. It could be there because of a battle, a deposit of iron ore or other natural deposit [wikipedia.org]. Are there any old mines in the area?
And do you have any food synthesizers that went down [moddb.com]?
Yeah, I'm wondering if we're being punked with a video game promotion....
Why does this remind so much of The Story of Barbie Head Archeology [misanthropytoday.com]...
Whoops.. link a site, see it get slashdotted..
Try this as an alternative link: http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/smithsonian.asp [snopes.com]
Alas, likely untrue: http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/smithsonian.asp [snopes.com]
No idea, but on the second thought this totally reminds me one long-inactive volcano we got here in CZ. Google for 'Komorni hurka' or 'Kammerbühl'.
Images from the actual volcano crater:
http://kurz.geologie.sci.muni.cz/obrazky_ucebnice/obrazek4_23.jpg [sci.muni.cz]
http://regiony.ic.cz/clanky/karlov/hurka_v.jpg [regiony.ic.cz]
Carbonate rock will react with water.
When you say "react with", you mean "dissolve, usually quite slowly, in".
Carbonate rock will react with water.
When you say "react with", you mean "dissolve, usually quite slowly, in".
Tends to be a fast reaction by comparison with almost any other rock. Sandstone lasts much longer despite being relatively easy to erode mechanically, and volcanic rocks (granite, basalt) are much more durable.
Carbonate rock will react with water.
When you say "react with", you mean "dissolve, usually quite slowly, in".
Sorry, that is not what he means. Most carbonates will react (not dissolve) with chlorinated tap water and acidic ground water.
Cool!! Soulskill is just one scuba gear away from sending us some really cool pictures.
My thoughts exactly. Might be a good place to hunt for caves.The giant sinkhole is promising.These have led to the discovery of some of the deepest caves in the world.
Shyeah right... The photos clearly show some new form of kryptonite, which has been subjected to trans-positited fillifitation of ferrous ions within the crystalline structural matrix.
Shyeah right... The photos clearly show some new form of kryptonite, which has been subjected to trans-positited fillifitation of ferrous ions within the crystalline structural matrix.
Really? I thought the telltale sign of that reaction was that the biologic component took on the appearance of rusty hand tools?
Looking at the pictures, the depressions to the north, the cutouts running north and south.. I would have to agree with the expert he consulted that what they have there are sink holes.
The metals could have even been dumped there, not as in a hoax, years and years ago as the site could have been a "garbage dump". Unless you know the history of the area, may never know for sure.
If they did, he would not be here to post about it.... There are only 6 metals that will react with water, and they are the Alkali metals, and they are quite energetic (as in Jamie Wants Big Boom).
Not so, the alkali earth metals (calcium, for example) will also react with water on a clean surface, but much less violently. Calcium still evolves gas at a visible rate...
Does it not rain there?
Surely if the metals reacted to water they would have had the chance by now.
If he was holding it in a frangible container 6 inches from his face with no protection while submersing it in water, then yes...he could get injured by an Alkali metal. They actually react quite slow in comparison to many other explosives, and have a very limited amount of power. In fact, several grams of Sodium wasn't even enough to break a soda bottle for me. It just filled with some nasty smoke/gas and distended the bottle.
Also, take into account that if he just found them lying there, there is almost zero chance they are alkali metals. They would long ago have disappeared thanks to rain and atmospheric humidity. A simple carbonate is the most likely answer.
How about taking a bit down to the geology department at the local university? Find out what the crater actually is. It could be important
(Sorry. Am I being too mean here?)
Only if the strawman is sentient.
My father was a strawman, you insensitive clod!
[...] and that pi is bigger than 3. I wouldn't believe a scientist!
Sorry, but PI *ACTUALLY* is 4: http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbxrvcK4pk1qbylvso1_400.png [tumblr.com]
According to the summary, he actually already did just that. And that geologist told him it's not a crater, just a sink hole.
Interesting as the site may be, it's probably really not an impact crater.
I read this thread with an incredulous look on my face - did the summary change, or did *all these people* really not even read the summary?
Maybe another Stalker game more closely based on Roadside Picnic?
"Next I tried strapping the bits of metal to my belt. I felt my health decline slightly as it irradiated me, but I drank some vodka and continued testing. I found I was able to carry 10lbs more equipment (up to 60lbs) without becoming exhausted three times as quickly as usually happens when I carry anything over 50.00lbs of equipment. This artifact could help me reduce my energy drink consumption."
Looking at that photo, sinkhole sounds plausible.
Maybe there are more holes in the surroundings, then it's clear. Also don't craters normally come with an elevated rim? Hard to see from above of course but no indication of such a rim around it.
Oh well lots of guesses will be posted here I'm sure. It's
Indeed just take those metals to your local uni or so, have them figure out what it is. If they really react strongly to water then this must be recently exposed material (won't last long outdoors in the wet soil), so can't be from an ancient impact crater. I mean the material itself could be from whatever source but it's obviously exposed recently as you can find it easily with a metal detector so can't be there for a very long time or it would have weathered already.
Also impact craters usually have lots of glassy material from molten rock present, look up some research articles about confirmed craters on what you should be able to find there.
Looking at that photo, sinkhole sounds plausible.
what photo... all I see is a smoking dead website...
He pretty much laughed me out of his office, saying that it was a sinkhole. He did wish me luck, however. It may be sinkhole.
You know why he laughed you out of his office? Because you went in there saying "Look! I've got an as-yet undiscovered crater in my backyard! Or maybe it's a big cave or something!"
It makes you sound like some easily-impressed idiot who doesn't know the first thing about rocks, which is probably what you are - something that irregular and in soil that looks that soft is almost certain
You might be right at most of your points but there is no need to talk an enthusiastic person down like that. I for one am glad that people who haven't even studied this matter take interest in their local area and try to find out what it actually is.
I agree though that you should always go for the most logical assumption first.
You might be right at most of your points but there is no need to talk an enthusiastic person down like that. I for one am glad that people who haven't even studied this matter take interest in their local area and try to find out what it actually is.
But that's the thing! He's not taking an interest! He's literally in the process of making up an urban legend.
I mean the parts are all there - "I've known about a place where weird stuff happens since I was a kid. I went to a well-established authority figure and he laughed me out of his office! Then I went back to the place where weird things happen and I found all sorts of strange artifacts! Oh my gosh! Tickets are $5 a person."
Seriously, give this guy another couple of years and he'll have found ancient Mayan ruins (nevermind the fact that the Mayans never came up here) complete with alien doohickies.
It's like this: taking an interest is looking at what's actually there. This guy is clearly only looking at what he wants to see. The overblown, sensationalist Slashdot summary is just a symptom of underlying delusions of mystery, and honestly fits perfectly with the generic urban legend narrative.
In fact, I bet you anything the geologist did absolutely nothing even remotely like laughing the poster out of his office - the poster e-mailed the geologist some pictures; physically being inside someone's office is a prerequisite for being laughed out of it, and honestly it doesn't work that at all if you interpret the sentence as a metaphor (I mean how do you know the geologist was laughing at you in an e-mail? Is it perhaps because at some level you know that your claims are, in and of themselves, laughable?). However, that phrase fit the story so perfectly we're expected to overlook this detail.
Being like a child is fine when one is young but a menace when one is an adult.
The problem is that this story seems to focus on the child-likeness w/o working towards any growth. It only seems to want to verify the unverified(actually probably proven wrong) assumption of the poster and not seek the truth.
. the submitter acknowledges the possibility of being wrong, and still has a childlike fascination for the things we all know too much about to be inspired by.
Yeah. And I wonder about the vociferous put-downs that people are posting. After all, there are hundreds of known impact craters scattered around the planet. The US has had several cases of meteors hitting houses in the past few decades (two of them in Connecticut). Some years back, there was a groups of small craters (in the 1-2m size range) in a farming area in China, probably caused by the pieces of a larger rock that broke up in the atmosphere. Just a year or two ago, there was the impact in easter
Without guys like this Mythbusters would have run out of material a long time ago... Why not look at it as a positive
> there is no need to talk an enthusiastic person down like that
Wish I could pass some of my users on to you. They're really enthusiastic about things, I can tell you. Almost enough to make up for their utter lack of understanding or their complete inability to understand even basic concepts.
Sometimes a good mental kicking is the best you can do for them, not to mention yourself.
You might be right at most of your points but there is no need to talk an enthusiastic person down like that. I for one am glad that people who haven't even studied this matter take interest in their local area and try to find out what it actually is.
I agree though that you should always go for the most logical assumption first.
He's not trying to find out what it actually is. He has a preconceived notion that admits to no disproving. Facts? Research? Science? He doesn't seem to care for these things. If he did a little digging (metaphorically) and could provide a scrap of evidence for something other than a sinkhole, that would be another matter. Leaping to far-fetched conclusions without supporting evidence is just childish.
I'm all for slapping down 'enthusiasm' of this sort before another "faith trumps fact" religion gets starte
Oh you're looking for gentle encouragement? I'm so sorry, this is Slashdot - we only offer abuse and Soviet Russia jokes. Oh and sharks with lasers on their heads. Okay, we offer three things...
As I said to a sibling poster: if this dude was actually looking to understand what is going on, he wouldn't be making up stories like this - he would be actually researching the area. Instead, he takes pictures of lumps of rock and names the image file "meteor"; he's clearly far more interested in telling a made-up
Mod parent down. Flaming someone is a reasonable way to teach him not to be such an idiot. Coddling someone with sweet lies doesn't help anything. If the poster had wanted polite discourse he should have (a) not made ridiculous unsubstantiated claims and (b) not gone crying to slashdot.
Someone mod this up, please?
The only thing you missed is the "metal that reacts strongly to acids." Really?? OMFG! Aliens!
Someone skipped first-year chemistry (and that's first-year high school, not undergrad).
but you don't need to start by making shit up!
peoples like you are why science is so sucky. where did you start and how did you end up so close minded?
It's been my experience that science is pretty sucky. If we called the news media every time we found a chunk of metal and predetermined it to be alien artifacts, we'd all be Scientologists.
It has nothing to do with being "close minded" as much as it has to be about finding the truth before making up what you want it to be.
"And in the end, only kindness matters"
It makes you sound like some easily-impressed idiot who doesn't know the first thing about rocks, which is probably what you are - something that irregular and in soil that looks that soft is almost certainly not a crater. I mean, just compare it to a picture of an actual crater [wikipedia.org]; they're nothing alike.
Sorry what was that about doing even a little bit of reading? That wikipedia article has a picture of a crater on the moon, a simulated crater and a crater on one of Jupiter's moons. None of them are from earth. Even a sink hole can more closely resembles an impact crater on earth than that on the moon.
It makes you sound like some easily-impressed idiot who doesn't know the first thing about rocks, which is probably what you are - something that irregular and in soil that looks that soft is almost certainly not a crater. I mean, just compare it to a picture of an actual crater; they're nothing alike.
While you're right, using a picture of a moon crater for comparison is fucking stupid (craters look pretty different where there's no atmosphere thus no weathering) and there are no pictures of craters on earth in the linked article.
You just discouraged 99% of all future Ask Slashdot submissions.
The thing is that on Slashdot no one knows how old you are.
If this poster is 14 or 15 he may be on the start of becoming a very good geologist.
Even 18 he still is just really enthusiastic.
I agree this is probably a sink hole of some kind and not an impact. But that is only a guess I have only a passing knowledge of geology but none of the rocks shown seem all that odd to me.
You never educate through ridicule and for all you know you just made some 16 year old girl just getting into science cry.
Cut the stone with angle grinder, polish the cut, show us the picture. Meteorites have quite distinctive texture.
Cut the stone with angle grinder, polish the cut, show us the picture. Meteorites have quite distinctive texture.
Also try getting some shavings from the inside of the lump and heating them strongly in a flame (a small blowtorch is ideal for this). The color of flame created will indicate what metals/metal ions are involved (OK, cruder than using a spectroscope, but easy to do with stuff that many people have lying around).
If it's metal, and it reacts with water, this more than likely isn't the best advice to give.
I did say shavings. Putting the whole lot in would be dumb and unscientific too.
Even the most reactive metals react weakly to the moisture in the air, and unimpressively to direct submersion in water. I'd be MUCH more worried about it heating to a point where some Magnesium pocket inside ignites and burns your house down.
Even the most reactive metals react weakly to the moisture in the air...
... and unimpressively to direct submersion in water.
Uhhhh... What now? [youtube.com]
Maybe he should cut it with a cut-off wheel instead of a grinding wheel, unless his goal is to produce sand.
Personally I use a miter saw with a grinding wheel to cut stuff that isn't wood, so I don't have to hold anything steady.
[My apologies for the lack of links: Google is your friend. The editor is being a bitch.]
If it reacts with acid, it's carbonate (such as calcium carbonate, CaCO2). The classic test for carbonates is to dump a 5% solution of HCl (hydrochloric acid, available as muriatic acid in any hardware store) onto the sample; if it bubbles, it's a carbonate. (I know one geologist who calls this test "barbaric.") You can also use common household vinegar.
99.99% of all carbonates on the Earth are sedimentary. Usually, they form in shallow to medium depth water when microscopic critters with calcium shells die by the kazillions and fall to the ocean floor, where they pile into layers that give us things like limestone. There is one exception, however: Oldoinyo Lengai is a volcano in Tanzania that produces carbonate lava (the only carbonate-producing volcano in the world -- all the rest produce silicates, products based on SiO2). Someday I would like to see a sample of this igneous carbonate, because while silicates are really really important in geology, they're also really really common, and thus really really boring.
A relatively inexpensive bulk chemical analysis could tell you the exact composition of your samples, and you would probably find a pretty high iron content, which accounts for the trigger on your metal detector. My educated guess is the mineral siderite, FeCO3. It is common both in hydrothermal veins and in sedimentary formations.
Sinkholes can form when subterrainian water flows dissolve minerals (such as carbonates), forming a cave that later collapses. When this happens, you get a crater. And yes, you can get a pretty big one, depending on how deep the cave is.
So yes, it's a probably a sinkhole.
Don't discount the possibility the lumps are actually leaverite. The best mineral collections on Earth often lack a specimen of leverite.
Speaking as a caver, it could well be a shakehole (sinkhole). It's not the classic shape for it but they vary in shape and size. It's big, but not enormous. If it is a shakehole it certainly won't have broken any records.
As a first step, check some geological maps. If you're above limestone, I'd say: case closed, it's a shakehole. Yes, it's above a cave (or at least where a cave used to be!) The first photo of the "new metal" looks suspiciously like limestone.
Finding out a origin of such negative relief forms is a hard task.
1) Get a fine scale topographical map of it's surroundings. 1:10'000 is excellent, 1:25'000 could also work (depends on crater size). Look for any similar features around. Could this be a simple erosional form?
2) Go to nearest geological survey department and ask for surface geological map. Depending on Your location, it might be called "Quaternary sediment cover map". I'm not from USofA and thus have no idea if You will need to $$ to get it. If they offer also an geomorphological map, take that also. Those maps will help You to understand locations geological setting. You will be able to check possibility of ordinary karst or termokarst.
3) Compare craters location with known extent of Quaternary glaciations. In territories with Quaternary glaciations or close to glacial limits is possible to see termokarst depressions. They can be of variable size and form - starting from small, round crater-like forms up to large wally-like depressions filled with modern lakes.
4) If You want to describe any rock sample, You need to get a clean, fresh surface. Identifying rock samples by simply pouring an acid on it's surface might just reveal presence of calcite in soil and say nothing about rock it self.
5) Double check exact location in relief where You found those sock samples. Could there been some springs coming out or have been groundwater discharge location? Then it might be Limonite (bog ore) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonite
6) If it's still not clear what it is - get an hand auger (soil sampler). I use One-Piece Edelman Auger. Make a profile line over that "crater" - sample on undisturbed land, on the rim, at the bottom etc. Get coordinates for exact location; photographs; describe color, wetness, anything You see or feel with hands (pebbles, sand, dust). Making correct description sill might need an training to get familiar with methods, still You will be able to tell if there's difference in soil composition on rims/bottom in comparison with surrounding territory (if crater is young enough).
Sorry form my language.
I'm not from USofA and thus have no idea if You will need to $$ to get it.
You don't always need to pay for a topo map. They can be found online here [msrmaps.com] for free. I use these at work all the time and they are decent if not really out of date sometimes. All you need is the coordinates (can be had from google earth or maps).
Also I agree with previous poster RWarrior(fobw) it is probably a ferrous carbonate such as siderite or something similar and you have most likely found a sinkhole. Now if they are uncommon in your area you may have something special there.
We get these sorts of questions regularly on my site (www.mindat.org) and, I have to say, the vast majority of times they turn out to be of entirely terrestrial origin (meteorwrongs).
A friend at the Natural History Museum in London tells me that well over 99.9% of the items brought in as possible meteorites turn out not to be. The chances are not good.
Now, I would not want to dismiss your findings out of hand because, of course, meteorites can be found anywhere. But the first picture doesn't look like a meteorite to me at all. It looks like a very badly corroded iron pyrite nodule, which are relatively common in some limestones and other sedimentary rocks. The second one could be a meteorite, but it could equally well be a nodule.
Easy way to tell is break one open. If it has a radial crystalline structure then it cannot be a meteorite, it can only be an iron sulphide nodule.
Alternatively, post pictures and descriptions on my board where real geologists and mineralogists can help you!
ps. Calcium Carbide? I had to laugh!
It could easily be a meteor crater or a sinkhole, or even an old quarry (depending on the quality of the rock). If it is a meteor crater that size, you really have hit the jackpot, because meteors are worth money. However, the people who buy them aren't idiots, so you won't make money pretending; you have to find out. If it was formed by a meteor, there would have been splatter in all directions, but more in one direction than the others. Get a metal detector and search not just inside but all around the periphery up to three or four hundred meters away. If it really is from a meteor, and nobody has "mined" out the many fragments it would have produced, and it was the right kind of meteor (many are nickel-iron, some are stony, nickel-iron are the ones you can find and identify with a metal detector) you will find some chunks that aren't just teensy bits, but are large, partially fused, chunks of mixed iron and rock. They are hard to miss -- their density is close to twice that of ordinary rock (specific gravity closer to five than three). As another poster pointed out, even stony meteors can usually be identified by sawing and polishing -- the origins of meteor rock are typically quite different from earthbound rocks and they have a characteristic structure. But limestone chunks are probably not going to be meteors...;-)
Anyway, if you have a real crater with lots of real meteorite fragments, bear in mind that they will sell for hundreds to thousands of dollars each, depending on size, composition, and provenance. Even tens of thousands for large bits. And yes, there are geology departments at Universities that would like very much to help you search for pieces and study the crater itself, and you should give them first dibs before making money out of it as knowledge is more important than money.
Good luck, but don't hold your breath. No matter where you are sitting, you are sitting on top of at least meteor dust as a contant rain of that drifts down from the sky every day, and fragments from tiny to small are rather commonplace. Larger fragments are increasingly rare, though, and really big impact craters (that have been identified as such) are very rare.
> It could easily be a meteor crater or a sinkhole, or even an old quarry
Given that the posted feature has a second landform that appears largely identical just to the upper left, I'm going with quarry.
> They are composed of a metal that reacts strongly to acids.
>The largest piece so far reacted with tap water and
> dish-washing detergent
Dish washing detergent is basic, not acidic.
It is highly unlikely you have a single material that reacts _chemically_ the same way to both.
I'm no expert but, if you see Cerberus, TURN THE FUCK AROUND!
Good luck!
Or stop doing drugs....
This is not in Florida... And no, I won't post lat and longitude because I can see that a lot of people would probably swarm out here. I will continue detecting around the area, looking for more pieces of metal, and maybe even, god forbid go down in the bottom and dig.
For all the constructive posts, thanks. If it is a cave, I want to go in it!
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Smelling a ghost
Posted 09 August 2004 - 05:44 AM
Another quick thing, My fiance was almost killed by her ex-husband and was involved in a seige. She got herself out but her ex barrackaded himself to the house. after 4 hours he gave himself up and the police arrested him. They put him into a police van and the registration plate on the van had the same initials as her Mother! Weird! :o
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Yes, smell as such is a strong indication of a presence. I have had the smell f the perfume my paternal granma used to use, and I was more closer with her than anyone.
Take my hand and we'll go riding through the sunshine from above
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In December, 2003, I suddenly smelled my mother's perfume. I stopped and enjoyed the scent...and told Mykiedave it was like she was passing right through me.
Within a few hours, I received a call from my sister....She had had the same experience and wanted me to know.
We both learned that my brother had passed unexpectedly at that time. So, we believe that our mother was here to take him, and she was letting us both know she was involved in helping him to pass over.
It is one of the frustrations of my life that for all I can see, I have never seen my mother since she passed. Maybe she thinks it would be too hard for me to handle, but I'd like to give it a try.
I think she knew I will always remember her scent and chose to approach in that way.
dude, I hope your fiance treasures the moment always.
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Now my house was built in 1864 as a college and then at the turn of century was converted as a residence. It was a boarding house durring WW2, and who knows what inbetween times. We do know that out of the past 55 years it has only been occupied 2 of those years to be rehabed, other than that it has been abandoned--no explinations. It is a well known haunted house here, but from our experiences not bad enough to be abandoned for such a long period. Nothing terribly frighting, footsteps, banging, etc.
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Legendary birder Starr Saphir died this week at the age of 73, after an 11-year battle with metastatic breast cancer. She led walks in New York's Central Park for some 30 years and enriched so many city lives.
I could never keep up with Starr Saphir. Even when her bones were fragile and you couldn't jostle her, and she stopped to rest several times during a walk to take pain medication, her walks could last five hours.
Born in New York City and living at the very tip of Manhattan, Saphir would lead walks four days a week during the spring and fall migrations in the North Woods of Central Park and the Ramble. Most people think the park is only home to pigeons, sparrows and starlings, not a magical realm where some 200 species of warblers, tanagers, hawks, flycatchers and other species of birds fly in.
You can watch Saphir lead walks in a recent HBO documentary called Birders: The Central Park Effect. In the movie, Saphir says it is a joy to watch the light go on in somebody's eyes when they see a bird and know what they are looking at.
Saphir never made much money, and in fact she barely got by. Most recently she charged only $8 a walk. She lived a spare, simple life and didn't have a computer. As birding got more technological, filled with apps, she told me she worried that it would be out of reach for many.
"You have to have thousands of dollars of equipment," she said. But she finally did consent to get a cellphone.
Saphir recorded some 259 species in Central Park alone. She saw her first bird — a black and white warbler — at the age of 6, when her grandfather's car broke down in upstate New York.
She was born as Muriel, but her nickname was always Starr. Feisty, funny, a gray braid down her back, she could show people with less ability how to see things they would never see on their own. In the film she says, "I'm alive and I want to live my life while I am here, and I want to experience as much as I can."
As she contemplated her life with terminal breast cancer, she told filmmaker Jeffrey Kimball that time had a new meaning for her.
"It's heightened my joys in life, " she said. "And I always loved what I did, but it's heightened even more because I know that not only is it not going to last forever, it's not going to last that much longer. For years at the end of a season I would have pangs, 'Oh, is this the last black-throated blue warbler I am going to see for this season or for this year?' And now I wonder if it is the last one."
Many of those who went on her walks say their lives were changed utterly. There will be one or two memorial walks for Saphir this spring in Central Park, the place she always called her office.


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Wrestling Tops UNC Greensboro, 39-7
By ODU Athletics
Feb. 13, 2011
Highlights from Sunday's Matches
NORFOLK, Va. - James Nicholson and Kyle Hutter each won twice as Old Dominion split matches with UNC Greensboro and Binghamton this afternoon at the Ted Constant Convocation Center.
ODU started off in grand style against UNC Greensboro, winning the first three matches by technical fall and pin. James Nicholson was dominant against Manny Ramirez, delivering five first period takedowns en route to a 21-5 technical fall.
Kyle Hutter and Brennan Brumley followed at 133 and 141 ,respectively, with each picking up wins by fall.
After Ivan Lopouchanski got UNCG on the board with a pin at 149, Jayk Cobbs got his first win of the year with an 11-2 major decision at 157.
Dan Rivera and Brett Miller were involved in a tight match at 165. Miller got a second period takedown but Rivera was able to get a quick escape. Rivera began the third period with an escape and was able to avoid a last second takedown by Miller. In the first second victory period, Rivera caught Miller on his back and was able to get the pin with two seconds on the clock.
Tristan Warner gave ODU another overtime victory, taking down Byron Sigmon with 16 seconds left in the overtime period. With the win, Warner avenged two overtime losses to Sigmon earlier this season.
Joe Budi got a forfeit victory at 184 before Jacob Henderson earned a 2-1 decision over Caylor Williams. Williams got a second period escape, but Williams got called for fleeing the mat in the third and Henderson scored an escape to earn the 2-1 win.
Peter Sturgeon gave UNCG its second win of the match with a 5-2 decision over Grant Chapman.
Nicholson delivered five takedowns in the match opener against Binghamton, and turned the final one into a pin over Derek Steeley.
Hutter increased the Monarchs' lead to 10-0 with a 24-9 technical fall over Dan Riggi. Hutter grabbed 11 takedowns in the lopsided victory.
Binghamton was able to gain momentum, starting with an 8-3 decision by Anwar Goeres at 141 as the Bearcats won the final eight matches.
Donnie Vinson had seven takedowns at 149 en route to a 21-5 tech. fall while Matt Kaylor grabbed a 13-6 win over Chad Lowman.
The Monarchs return to action next Sunday as they host Virginia at 4:30 p.m. ODU will honor its five seniors in a pre-match ceremony.
125: James Nicholson (ODU) Tech. Fall Manny Ramirez (UNCG) 21-5 ODU 5-0
133: Kyle Hutter (ODU) Fall Jamel Johnson (UNCG) 4:58 ODU 11-0
141: Brennan Brumley (ODU) Fall Michael Crowley (UNCG) 3:39 ODU 17-0
149: Ivan Lopouchanski (UNCG) Fall Scott Festejo (ODU) 5:37 ODU 17-6
157: Jayk Cobbs (ODU) MD Justin Rice (UNCG) 11-2 ODU 21-6
165: Dan Rivera (ODU) Fall Brett Miller (UNCG) 7:58 ODU 27-4
174: Tristan Warner (ODU) dec. Byron Sigmon (UNCG) 3-1 SV ODU 30-4
184: Joe Budi (ODU) win by FF ODU 36-4
197: Jacob Henderson (ODU) dec. Caylor Williams (UNCG) 2-1 ODU 39-4
285: Peter Sturgeon (UNCG) dec. Grant Chapman (ODU) 5-2 ODU 39-7
* UNCG was deducted two points for flagrant misconduct after 165 pound match
Binghamton 29 Old Dominion 10
125: James Nicholson (ODU) Fall Derek Steeley (BU) 3:25 ODU 6-0
133: Kyle Hutter (ODU) Tech. Fall Dan Riggi (BU) 24-9 ODU 10-0
141: Anwar Goeres (BU) dec. Brennan Brumley (ODU) 8-3 ODU 10-3
149: Donnie Vinson (BU) Tech. Fall Scott Festejo (ODU) 21-5 ODU 10-8
157: Matt Kaylor (BU) dec. Chad Lowman (ODU) 13-6 BU 11-10
165: Justin Lister (BU) Fall Dan Rivera (ODU) 0:54 BU 17-10
174: Ryan McGarity (BU) Tristan Warner (ODU) 3-0 BU 20-10
184: Nate Schiedel (BU) dec. Joe Budi (ODU) 3-2 BU 23-10
197: John Paris (BU) dec. Jacob Henderson (ODU) 5-1 BU 26-10
285: Cody Reed (BU) dec. Grant Chapman (ODU) 3-2 BU 29-10
Referee: Lenny Gino
Attendance: 208


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Middleboro superheavyweight Jeremy Hernandez won his first Sectional crown on Saturday.
COHASSET – Middleboro superheavyweight Jeremy Hernandez bided his time through a cautious defensive match in Saturday's Division 3 South Wrestling Sectional Final, before he saw the opening he was waiting for, and quickly took Norton's Alek Donovan down, rolled him up and pinned him midway through the third period.
It was the first Sectional crown for Hernandez, who lost in the D-3 South final last year to Pembroke's Kevin Beane. Hernandez, a senior, ran his record this season to 39-2 with the win. Earlier in the day-long tournament, Hernandez won by pin over Norwell's George Williams and won a 16-0 technical fall over Carver's John Beirlair. But his bout over Donovan was a tactical chess match, as it so often is when elite heavyweights meet.
"I never had wrestled him before, so I didn't know what to expect," said Hernandez. "But I always try to be the most aggressive wrestler in the match. I feel the best defense is a good attack. He was built lower than me, so I knew I had to stay low and work the moves I've used all year. I just try to work hard and use what works for me."
Hernandez would like to wrestle in college, and has heard from one military school, and several New England colleges, but is weighing his options.
Elsewhere for South Shore teams, Rockland High had two athletes in the finals in the upper weight classes, and both lost in heartbreaking fashion. At 182 pounds, Bulldog senior Bobby Gasdia battled Norton's Elliott Johnson to a 2-2 deadlock after two periods. Gasdia worked a fine reversal to take a 4-2 lead early in the third period, but Johnson subsequently reversed Gasdia and locked him into a pin.
The outcome at 220 was even more frustrating for Rockland, as senior Dennis McPeck went nose-to-nose with Somerset-Berkley's Drew Gagnon for three tightly contested periods that ended in a 5-5 tie. Three more overtime periods found the two grapplers knotted at 6-6, both devoted to standup pushing and shoving, and intent on avoiding a mistake. The coin flip for the seventh period was won by Gagnon, who took lower position and quickly escaped for the 6-5 victory.
"Both our finals were frustrating because I felt we could've easily won both," said Rockland coach Tim Brown. "Dennis wrestled as well as he could, and it comes down to a coin flip. Going forward, we've got to find a way for him to get more open shots. Neither one of them was attempting much, because at that weight if you make a mistake you can get caught, but we can work on finding Dennis a way to create better angles."
"Bob worked a good shot there in his match," noted Brown, "and worked it to a good reversal. But then I think he got a little greedy going for the cradle and got caught himself. I'd also like to cite Derek Crowe, a senior who's been with us for five years, and took fifth place at 170, as someone who did really well today. The rest of our guys have a lot of homework to do to prepare for the rest of season."
The team title for the 15-team South Sectional went to Norton with 268 points, followed by Somerset/Berkley at 185.5, host Cohasset at 166, and Foxboro at 164.5.


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Queensland, Australia (SportsNetwork.com) - Cheyenne Woods carded a 4-under 69 on Sunday to earn a two-stroke victory at the Volvik RACV Ladies Masters.
Woods claimed her first career victory on the Ladies European Tour at 16- under-par 276.
"This is a huge accomplishment for me," said Woods. "I'm just really proud with how I played this week and followed through all four days and finished strong."
Seventeen-year-old amateur Minjee Lee also shot 69 at RACV Royal Pines Resort to finish in second place at 14-under 278, while Camilla Lennarth (70) and Stacy Lee Bregman (72) shared third at minus-12.
Woods entered the day with a one-shot lead and quickly added to that advantage with a birdie at the first.
She gave that shot back with a bogey at the fourth, which allowed Lee to grab a share of the lead with three straight birdies from the sixth.
Woods, however, regained the lead for good with a birdie at the ninth and closed with gains at the 12th, 15th and 18th to finish off the victory.


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Sylvania Southview's Jared Yoshino takes a shot on goal.
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COLUMBUS — The Southview boys soccer team left the field to wild cheers, their white-clad fans that filled two sections of Crew Stadium as loud as ever late Saturday night.
It did not matter the Cougars lost 2-0 to Powell Olentangy Liberty in the Division I state finals.
One sign above all seemed to capture the traveling party's sentiments.
"Thank you," read the poster.
"I don't think anybody expected us to come this far, and we did," said Daniel Blackmar, the Cougars' leading scorer. "It's been a heck of a run."
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The storybook march did not have a storybook conclusion.
Liberty (22-1) controlled much of the night — the state's second-ranked team fired more than three times as many shots as Southview — while the Cougars (17-4-2) endured multiple doses of hard luck. One of Liberty's two first-half scores came on an own goal and Southview had a goal wiped off the board because of a foul in the 71st minute.
The finality hit hard, with Southview coach Chad Cody calling the night "bittersweet." But he also knew when time lends perspective, this will be remembered as the greatest — and most improbable — seasons in school history.
"I have mixed emotions," Cody said. "Obviously, we're disappointed we didn't win the game, but we're No. 2 in the state representing Northwest Ohio. I'm just proud of the team."
Sylvania Southview fans cheer during the match.
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Players said the Cougars' postseason run felt magical. They were unranked and had lost three of their last five regular-season games — including a 9-3 loss to Northern Lakes League champion Anthony Wayne.
A team of 19 seniors then decided it would not lose. Even without the injured Blackmar for part of the playoffs, Southview stunned Anthony Wayne 2-1 in a regional semifinal, beat Westlake 3-1 to claim its first regional championship, and crashed the state finals when Jared Yoshino scored with just over three minutes left in the second overtime of a 1-0 victory over Aurora.
In the end, only one team proved too much. Liberty was in the state championship game for the second straight year, ranked 19th in the country by the National Soccer Coaches Association of America, and had outscored opponents 27-4 in its first six postseason victories.
Liberty was quicker and ultimately better. The Patriots set up shop in Southview territory from the start, and rarely left, outshooting the Cougars 16-5.
The Patriots scored on an own goal in the eighth minute. Jared Robinson headed a cross off the near goalpost, which then ricocheted off of Cougars defender Samer Sarsour and back into the net.
"An unlucky bounce," Sarsour said. "It hit the post, and I wasn't expecting it."
Robinson's next point-blank shot also found the net, this time without the benefit of a freak misdirection. A short cross from inside the box found Robinson, who punched the goal past diving goalie Eric Breeden in the 36th minute.
Sylvania Southview's Brad Brown (7) and Chris Ellis (16) react to the loss after the match.
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"I think in the first half we were a little nervous," said Breeden, who had four saves. "We had never been here before so it's a new experience. They were here last year so they're used to it already. The second half, we really tried to respond."
Southview did. Though Liberty still largely controlled possession, the Cougars made a late charge and looked to get on the board in the 71st minute. A booming and well-placed free kick from just inside midfield led to a rapid-fire succession of shots — off the crossbar, off the goalie and finally off the leg of Chris Ellis into the net. But as Southview celebrated, the official waved the goal off, ruling Yoshino had interfered with the goalie.
"They called that we got into the goalie on it," Cody said. "That was the call."
He added: "[The Patriots] converted their opportunities that they had. The bounces went their way. We had our opportunities. The bounces just didn't go our way when it was time to score. Congratulations to Olentangy. They played well."
And, judging by the ovation from the runner-up's cheering section, so had Southview.
"We've been without our leading goal scorer for most of the tournament," Cody said. "Everyone pulled through together, everyone on the field, everyone on the bench. It was kind of magical. But we would have liked to have win this game."
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Richard R. Dunn
Dunn–– Richard R., 89, of North Troy, VT passed away April 13, 2012 in Newport, VT. Friends may call from 9:15-10:15 a.m. on Thursday, April 19, 2012 at the Curtis-Britch-Converse-Rushford Funeral Home, 37 Lake Road, Newport. Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. on Thursday, April 19, 2012 at St. Vincent de Paul Church in North Troy with the Rev. Ladislaus Whelinde celebrating a Mass of Christian burial. Interment will follow in Notre Dame Cemetery in North Troy, VT. Should friends desire contributions in his memory may be sent to the Pope Memorial Frontier Animal Society, 522 Strawberry Acres, Newport, VT 05855. On-line condolences may be sent to the family through the funeral home website at www.curtis-britch-converse-rushford.com. Arrangements are entrusted to the care of Curtis-Britch-Converse-Rushford Funeral Home, locally family owned and operated.
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A deputy's gun and badge is missing after his vehicle was broken into over the Thanksgiving holiday.
According to Greenville police reports it happened at 1625 Wimbledon Drive.
A Bertie County sheriff deputy's badge, his .40-caliber gun and some shirts were reported stolen from his personal car sometime between Wednesday and Thursday morning.
Sheriff John Holley says 24-year-old Brandon Cox was visiting friends in Greenville and didn't want to take his service revolver inside. Holley says Cox hid the badge and weapon inside his car.
Holley says it's unfortunate that these days even deputies can become victims.


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A proposed amendment to East Hampton Town's zoning code, designed to simplify the procedure for farmers looking to add greenhouses, farm stands, or other buildings to their land is the right idea, most speakers at a town board hearing last week on the legislation agreed, but the devil is in the details.
In fact, the legislation may even be illegal under state law, according to one speaker, David Eagan, an East Hampton attorney who owns a Wainscott horse farm with his wife, Mary Ann McCaffrey. He explained to the board the State Agricultural and Markets Law, which supersedes town law, and described a court decision rendered in a case regarding his own property, which found East Hampton's site plan review process unreasonably restrictive to farmers. It was deemed unenforceable, he said.
"Since that time, nothing has changed in East Hampton," he told the board. "I'm disappointed that the town has not involved the State of New York in this process." Although the intent of the proposed law is good, and "long overdue," Mr. Eagan said, several aspects of the legislation violate state guidelines regarding zoning rules that can be enforced by municipalities on agricultural operations.
He said he had submitted the proposed town law to the State Department of Agriculture and Markets for a formal review.
If the legislation is adopted, Mr. Eagan wrote, "the East Hampton Town Code will continue to blatantly violate the protections afforded owners and operators of farm operations contained in . . . the New York State Agriculture and Markets Law in many respects. . . ."
In addition to running afoul of state agricultural law jurisdiction, Mr. Eagan said at last week's hearing that the proposal to have site plan review for farms conducted by the architectural review board rather than the planning board — an aspect of the proposal that has drawn criticism on other fronts — is also illegal under state law.
Town boards, he said, may delegate their jurisdiction over the planning process to a planning board, as East Hampton has chosen to do, but once that designee is chosen, the town board may not hand specific aspects of planning review to other entities.
Nonetheless, Mr. Eagan said the proposed legislation "gets closer" to the type of regulations the state approves of for farms, "but it doesn't go far enough, and it isn't inclusive enough." For instance, he said, the streamlined site plan process proposed would not be available for certain kinds of farms, including commercial horse-boarding operations. "The state wants and demands and mandates a streamlined process," Mr. Eagan said.
Alex Balsam, an owner of Balsam Farms, spoke in favor of the proposal, which would also increase the maximum allowable size of farm stands to 500 square feet and establish front-yard setbacks of 20 feet and side and rear setbacks of 15 feet.
Mr. Balsam addressed some objections to the code revision voiced at a previous hearing, when some people argued that a qualified board such as the planning board should review details such as the placement of buildings, driveways, and the like.
"People who fail to recognize what farmers need for their business and instead take the position that we need to protect our community from our farms frankly fail to see the forest for the trees," Mr. Balsam said. Working farms, he said, and not simply open space, "create the character of the community."
"We're primarily talking about aesthetics, and for handling aesthetics, the architectural review board is the right venue," Mr. Balsam said. He said that he thought state officials would find little fault with the proposal. "This is either great code, or damn near it," he said.
But Elaine Jones, an Amagansett resident, said the construction of large "temporary" growing houses, many of which remain in place year round, could have a significant impact. "Are you opening up to something much bigger in residential neighborhoods?" she asked. "This is not a minor change. This is huge, with the possibility of monster greenhouses close to neighbors."
"Our community must work to keep farmers in business, in balance with the town's planning goals," said Sylvia Overby, a Democratic candidate for town board. A former planning board member, she said she was concerned about omitting review of specifics such as lighting, or a requirement to submit a survey showing the position of buildings and other details, including topographical information.
"Land-use planning doesn't seem to be one of the duties of the A.R.B., according to our code," she said, noting that the architectural review board's task is described as "architectural and design review." A previous version of the code amendment would have handed site plan review on farms to the town building inspector.
Ms. Overby and Peter Van Scoyoc, a current planning board member and her running mate in the town board election, both questioned a provision in the proposed law requiring a farm to have been in "active use" for two years before it could qualify for the streamlined review process. That, Mr. Van Scoyoc said, would unnecessarily affect "someone starting out in the business."
Scott Chaskey, a farmer at the Quail Hill Farm in Amagansett for 22 years, and Ira Bezoza, a director of Food Pantry Farm, which grows vegetables for food pantries at the East End Cooperative Organic Farm in East Hampton, urged the board to press forward. Mr. Bezoza said gaining approval to erect a hoop house is key to the farm's "ability to grow organic vegetables to give to food pantries in the winter and early spring when the demand is greatest. . . ."
Mr. Chaskey suggested that the board appoint a committee, on which he volunteered to serve, to work on the legislation so that it could pass muster with the state.
The town board has not had a public discussion of the issue since the hearing was closed last Thursday night.