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Tuesday, April 27, 2010
Grand Canyon :: Bright Angel Trail to Indian Gardens
As it turns out, there was a spot open at the Indian Gardens Campground for the next day, Tuesday. We were warned that there was a chance of precipitation Monday afternoon, possibly even some snow Monday night. We went ahead and made the reservation anyway.
Monday afternoon, after our return from Cedar Ridge, the temperature dropped dramatically. It had started raining in the late afternoon but that rain quickly changed to snow! Big flakes. Wet flakes. Lots of them. At first it didn't stick, but we soon noticed it accumulating on the branches of trees. By the time we went to bed Monday night, there was about two inches of snow on the ground. And it was cold. It got even colder during the night. And the snow was still there on Tuesday morning.
It was pretty, but we really could have done without it! I guess Mother Nature just wanted us to be able to experience all facets of the Grand Canyon.
By the time we had breakfast and double checked to see that we had everything, the sun had come out. It was about 8:30 when we left for the trailhead. Fred dropped Sue and me off, parked the car in the overnight lot, and returned within a few minutes. Then we walked to the trailhead. When we got to the Canyon, another surprise awaited us!
Fog! Filling the Canyon! Yes, snow, we had expected. But fog? One amongst our party, who shall remain nameless (not me), wasn't sure that we should continue. It would be too slippery. We couldn't see. But the other two of us took the positive attitude (or perhaps, were a little crazy) "It will get better. The fog will go away. The snow won't be very far down." On we went. This picture was taken at 8:42 a.m. just beyond the first turn into the canyon.
Sue and Fred at the first tunnel, just .18 miles from the rim and ten minutes into the hike. The tunnel is visible in the previous photo. It was slow going. It was slippery. We took our time. Others had gone down that path before us, so it had to be okay, right?
One of the worst patches of the trail, about 30 minutes into the hike. Beneath that fresh layer of snow was a very thick layer of slippery ice. This section of the trail gets little, if any, sun.
To be continued... part two
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GULP!!! I suspect, you lived to blog about it, but that ice stuff is way scary!ReplyDelete
Beautiful pictures, Becky, but scary! Whew! Glad you returned in one piece. I'm with Carol! GULP!ReplyDelete
Uhh - I'm not too fond of the ice, even when the only place to fall is nice, flat ground. Waay scary....ReplyDelete
Oh, jeez! Way to build the suspense, Becky!ReplyDelete
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AU: I vowed from that day forward that I would be Isabella's shelter from the storm and that I would protect her." Edward becomes Bella's guardian angel.
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I watched her very closely from the day she was seven. I remember the day I found her.
I was waiting in the park for the "appropriate" prey and her scent hit me like the proverbial ton of bricks.
I raced to the scent and found a small inncoent child with a scraped knee.
I didn't realize how much of a demon I really was until I felt the unbearable burn in the back of my throat and the savage need to steal the life away from a seven-year-old girl.
I was so close to killing her when I heard a woman's frantic thoughts "Oh my God where could Isabella be? Mike Newton pointed this way! God if you lead me to her and she's okay I will go to church every Sunday and never doubt you again."
" Isabella Marie Swan! What are you doing out here, in the middle of woods?! If I wouldn't have seen Mike Newton, I wouldn't have known where you were! Thank you Jesus! I already lost Charlie I can't lose my Bella, too."
I deduced that this was her mother; the mother then took little Isabella in her arms and hugged her fiercely.
As she hugged her daughter I noticed how fragile Isabella was, how she looked as if one gust of wind would carry her away.
The child's blood called to me like no other but at the same time I felt an inexplicable need to protect her. To shelter her from this vicious world.
" Aw Mom I just wanted to come out here and play and it wasn't even dark when I got here. The sun was still up!"
"I wish I could make Isabella understand how much I need her she's the only thing I have left in this world. I don't care! You are not to come out here by yourself ever again! Do you understand me? Bella scraped her knee but thank God that's it things could've been so much worse."
I had never seen such a fierce protectiveness, especially from a human.
"Yes Mom I understand. I'm sorry I didn't mean to scare you. I thought that since Dad used to come out here I might be able to talk to him...somehow."
Her mother didn't say anything but her thoughts were...painful.
"How do I tell her that she'll never be able to talk to him again. God why me? Why me?" Images of a man going into cardiac arrest was floating through her mind.
I assumed that this was Isabella's father. She looked nothing like him.
She looked like her mother but more genteel somehow.
Isabella's doe brown eyes shown such repentance. As the mother turned to leave, she grabbed Isabella's hand.
"I can't let her out of my sight." Isabella turned around to pick up her little teddy bear and as she looked up her eyes locked with mine.
She had the most expressive, intelligent brown eyes I had ever seen in a seven-year-old.
It suddenly registered with me that I couldn't read her thoughts. I tried desperately to know what she was thinking but nothing came.
I knew she wasn't mentally hindered her eyes were too wise and mature.
" Bella what are you staring at? Bella has always been an observant little thing. What if she sees someone?" Her mother's voice had effectively taken me out of my trance.
" Is anyone out there Bella?" Her mother sounded worried and scared but she tried to hide it.
"Yes Mom look there was a man with red eyes!" Isabella was jumping and pointing.
I ran away before her mother could see me.Once I was a safe distance from them I reflected and admired at my self-restraint.
I also thought back to little Isabella when I was looking into her eyes they had shown no fear only inquisitiveness and sorrow.
I wanted so badly to protect this unknown child from this treacherous world. But her blood was my siren call.
As Aro would call her "La tua cantante." I vowed from that day forward that I would be Isabella's shelter from the storm and that I would protect her.
I have kept that vow for the last ten years and nothing could stop me from keeping it till the day she passed into the other world that was forever barred to me.

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Hello guys,
I have a quite puzzling and difficult to understand observation.
A) 2 cell lines: A549 (wtp53) and H1299(p53-/-)
2 viruses/proteins: wt and mutant DP
C) A549 Co-IP revealed DP binds cellular FX with remaining 30%
D) H1299 Co-IP revealed DP binds cellular FX with 0%
E) FX stabilizes wt
F) wt binds p53, but p53 is considered to be a negative factor and DP binds p53 inefficiently
G) FX binds p53
following observation:
infection of A549 cells with wt and DP results in no differences of protein expression between wt and DP (WB test) but virus yield is ca. 70% reduced in DP compared to wt. --> DNA replication identical --> other protein levels the same, hence no mRNA change --> proper expression of structural proteins. Thus explaining the virus yield drop is quite difficult.
infection of H1299 cells with wt and DP results in differences in protein expression: less DP, structural proteins, less viral DNA and ca. 90% reduced virus yield. Thus explaining virus yield drop is fairly easy. However, considering A549 results I cannot take these phenotypes into consideration for explaining the negative outcome.
I just want to discuss this issue with somebody. I know there are myriads of explanations, but maybe I am too fuzzy right now to find a good one. Bringing it down to some questions:
1. Does somebody know of a similiar observation? (Article linke preffered, I just need an example for my discussion)
2. A dominant negative effect of DP is possible. Does anyone know an example?
3. Is it plausible that 30% remaining binding of DP to FX can compensate for multiple stability defects which occured in H1299 but not in A549 cells?
4. Is it plausible to discuss that in A549 cells there is trans-stabilization of FX through p53 on DP ?
I would be very happy for some input and a fruitful discussion. There are probably some ambiguities, for this I apologize in advance
Submit your paper to J Biol Methods today!
Different cell lines different protein stability
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:51 AM
I think this is a virology question, I'd suggest you find a better forum subdivision to post your question.
Does it have anything to do with transport?
Does it have anything to do with transport?


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A few generations until seeing a paper book is as rare as seeing a lion? Thats a bit absurd, I dont know anyone who has thrown out their book collection after getting a kindle. I have a rather extensive collection and though they mostly collect dust now I have no plans on ditching them. I can see a day where new books are no longer published but just expecting all of the old ones to just disappear is ridiculous.
Now, show me someone twenty or under with an extensive paper book collection. People will stop buying paper books and people with paper book collections will die eventually.
Also, I'd like to point out that most of what the average person would read probably wouldn't be considered quality literature anyway. So I wonder if there is any net effect if people begin to gravitate towards other media for entertainment. I remember when I was 18 I dated this girl who read nothing but trashy romance novels. She read them by the box full. In no way would I say she benefited intellectually from reading these books vs. watching the same stories as films (porn for women, IMO). If you look at it objectively, there's really nothing inherently better about books vs. other forms of entertainment. The only real benefit of books is that it is easier to fill them with useful information if you choose to. But you can also fill them with garbage that appeals to the masses and serves as little more than entertainment.
I remember when I was 18 I dated this girl who read nothing but trashy romance novels. She read them by the box full.
On the other hand, a girl who read books on linear algebra wouldn't even notice your existence.
If you look at it objectively, there's really nothing inherently better about books vs. other forms of entertainment.
Books are quite different from video. If you go watch a movie, what you see is what it is, literally. Not a bit more, not a bit less. You are fed the whole story; there is no g
On the other hand, a girl who read books on linear algebra wouldn't even notice your existence.
Because she's out of my league or because she's socially retarded? Probably more the latter.
Books are quite different from video. If you go watch a movie, what you see is what it is, literally. Not a bit more, not a bit less.
The question isn't how they're different. The question is how they're better or more intellectual. Any moron can tell you how they're different.
You are fed the whole story; there is no gaps for your own imagination to fill. You consume, then the movie is over and it's out of your memory before you leave the theater.
No, you're "fed" information through multiple senses. It is more efficient that way. A good story is just as deep and thought provoking regardless of how you tell it. You can forget a book just as easily as a movie.
On the other hand, a book may tell you that the forest was dark and spooky, but you have to use your own imagination, your own memories and your own fears to "color" that picture. One book can tell as many stories as many readers it has. The book doesn't walk you, like an infant, through every bit of the story.
Right, because people watching movies *never* have different interpretations and experiences. What a bunch of nonsense.
There are other differences too. How many people watch a DVD in 10-15 minute increments? I think not many. But a book can be read this way; most fiction books are read like that.
A DVD is not necessarily the best comparison. Consider a series like Lost. You get weekly 41 minute doses of a single story line over the course of several YEARS. Say what you will about the quality of the story, but you have to admit that there were a lot of details to keep track of. It was enough to spawn whole communities of people dedicated to documented all the details in order to decipher various puzzles. These long running story lines are becoming much more common. Gone are the days when every TV show and movie was a single, self contained story arc.
there's really nothing inherently better about books vs. other forms of entertainment.
I don't think it is possible to disagree with you more.
I was 9 years old when I started reading the Xanth series books by Piers Anthony. I started with the middle of series at the time. For somebody my age, the protagonist was very accessible to me. I related to him. There could never be an adaption of that book in an other form of media that could even be a shadow of that universe in my mind. Not possible.
I was 11 when I read the full edition of the Lord of the Rings after The Hobbit. It was a family copy, which meant it was not the edited crap that was mostly available in libraries throughout the 70's and 80's. My copy (now passed down to me) was published in the 50's.
It was indescribable to me what I went through reading that. The scope of that world, the "resolution" and "texture" that it took in my mind could never be replaced or compared too. The LOTR movies are "passable". By that, I really mean crap. They could not tell the fully story. Literally. They left out Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. I can understand that back story behind that, but as a child, I understood him to be literally beyond the powers of the rings themselves. That grabbed my mind and imagination. Even Gandalf, which accordingly, is one of the strongest and most powerful beings in all of Middle Earth. Also known as Olorin, of the Maiar and disciple of Nienna. Yet, he is still under the influence of the rings.
The LOTR universe cannot be translated from a book. It can only be read.
Then of course there is the ridiculous expansion throughout the Rama series with Arthur C Clarke, of which The Garden of Rama was my favorite. How could *that* be transferred to another medium?
Maybe you are right about the average person today. However, I hated English class, with a passion of a thousand Suns. I never hated the books. Maya Angelou's I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings, Kafka's the Metamorphosis, Jack London's the Sea Wolf. I was exposed to all of those books through English class. I had no interest in sharing with others (at the time) what I felt about it. Fuck a book report. Seriously? How am I supposed to put into words at 10 years old what the Sea Wolf was like to me?
I cannot put into words the worlds that were created in my head from the act of reading those books. They caused me to think, to feel, to cry, to look within myself. They showed me nobility, evil, heroism, sacrifice. Books helped me become the person I am today by shaping my experiences. Not Movies. Books.
My love of what books did for me and where they took me can be described no better than what my punishment was a child. I was expelled from the house, but strip searched for a book first.
There is just no way, that even the most god-like director can ever create on a screen what so many of us here on Slashdot have created in our own minds.
Inherently no differrent?
Sir you must be jesting. A comparison of the two is a farce at best. The difference between a flashlight and the Glory of the Sun. Whether it changes from verbal stories, to scrolls, to parchments, to paper, to digital 1's and 0's held within crystal structures makes no difference.
The day we lose the written word, is the day we start slipping into a Dark Age, or more likely Idiocracy realized complete.
There is only one way to go further and that is for the authors themselves to create the worlds in their minds, fully formed, and then telepathically transmit all of to us.
Movies? I don't think so.
How am I supposed to put into words at 10 years old what the Sea Wolf was like to me?
You should have been able to make a film about it.
Inherently no differrent?
You need to work on reading comprehension, ironically enough. I never said movies and books are not different. I said "better." ALmost every fault you can find with movie adaptations of books can be boiled down to movies being condensed for various reasons including production costs. You can find modern TV series that are quite expansive and detailed.
The day we lose the written word, is the day we start slipping into a Dark Age, or more likely Idiocracy realized complete.
Depends on what is being written. I can't honestly say that the world is a better place for the LOTR books h
I would say that, while there isn't anything necessarily better about books than other forms of entertainment, there is something different. The demands on the attention span and memory from long-form written fiction are very, very different from the demands of movies, television shows, etc. Also, even if the material isn't very complex, just sheer practice means that voracious readers tend to be more fluent readers.
And, from a less aggressively practical perspective, the novel as a medium has different strong and weak points than film or television, which carry over across all levels of quality. Example - romance novels tend to have better characterization than softcore porn directed at women - not due to any difference in quality of writing, but due to the larger space and ability to easily represent internal dialogue.
She read them by the box full. In no way would I say she benefited intellectually from reading these books vs. watching the same stories as films (porn for women, IMO).
I completely disagree. If she read as much as you suggested, the increase in her literacy alone was probably substantial. The act of reading is essentially a kind of aerobic exercise for the mind; it keeps you mentally "in-shape" for reading.
As someone who has tried it all, books, videos, films, lectures, websites etc, I can safely say that
It has more to do with the fact that books tend to be out of date by the time they're published. Science and technology books in general are barely up to date the moment that they're published. If you're wanting to read to learn, you're probably better off reading scholarly journals.
On top of that, you can learn so much more by hanging out on a forum dedicated to your interest era then you ever could by reading.
I don't think that's generally the case. At least if we talk about disciplines of science and engineering that have at least century-old history. The basics don't change all that much. In undergrad education in almost any subject, you could be using plenty of textbooks that are 50 years old, or more. For calculus you could use out-of-copyright stuff published in the late 1800s. Same for classical mechanics and mechanics of materials with exclusion of fracture IIRC. For chemistry, the basics are well covered
Sure a COBOL manual will not serve you well these days (well, beyond probably getting you a $200k/year job if you study it well). But stuff on algorithms, data structures, etc. will hold up and be of use even if quite old.
You are right though that even these days knowing UNIX scripting is a powerful tool...
Or maybe you could learn something about life by reading books that never go out of date?
Read "The Old Man and the Sea" and learn how a man can persist at his work and life despite the hardships thrown at him?
Read "The Great Gatsby" to gain some perspective on how yearning after wealth for its own sake is a futile pursuit?
Read just about anything. Your definition of the word "learn" is far narrower than it ought to be.
"The man who does not read is no better off than the man who cannot read."
I've read hundreds of books. I used to have boxes and boxes. Then I got tired of storing them, now I have hundreds of ebooks. A few gigs of data. I'm in my thirties. Books are just data. I'd rather just see MD5 hashes or something better to verify the data. Paper can be corrupted like anything else.
Sure, paper can be corrupted, but how many of your ebooks are going to still be readable in 100 years? 50 years? 10 years? I have paper books on my shelf that are 50+ years old and look nearly new. I also have thousands of ebooks stored on CD's that are now in a a format that is completely useless without hours and hours of conversion (if it can even be done any more). In another 50 years, my paper books will probably have yellowed a bit, but will still be going strong. My ebooks on the other hand will almo
But is this new? Go back 100 years. How many under-20 people had their own book collections?
If you're looking at the population as a whole, probably less. Books were quite expensive one hundred years ago and is was fashionable to write in only the most dense prose which required quite an education to understand. But if you just looked at the literate -- then I would say many more. Today, more people can read and write but far less of those people actually read books. And the standard is so low. How many 'literate' people who have H.S. diplomas can read A Tale of Two Cities and actually get through it, let alone understand it?
My grandmother didn't have an opportunity to go to college but many of my classics I inherited from her. She grew up during the Prohibition era so that's almost 100 years. It seems to me that with that generation one was either wholly ignorant or quite well educated. It took much more to simply graduate high school, but it meant more back then.
Basically, what I'm saying is that 100 years ago a child from an affluent family probably had an extensive book collection. A child from a poor family probably didn't have a single book and probably couldn't read. But children from affluent families today rarely have extensive book collections despite having the means and the education necessary. They have video games and computers. But most kids have at least one or two books laying around. Perhaps something they received as a present or some required reading for school.
There was a time when being upper-middle or upper class meant that one was educated. One couldn't get along socially or economically without it. For instance, here's a situation I'm sure some of you can relate with: You criticize a rich athlete/businessman/celebrity/politician for some decision or for saying something dumb and someone retorts with, "But they're rich." There was a time when the upper classes staunchly believed that money doesn't buy class. Today, money and class are considered one in the same.
Books were quite expensive one hundred years ago and is was fashionable to write in only the most dense prose which required quite an education to understand.
Er, no [wikimedia.org].
I think it's worth noting that being a bookworm later in life doesn't mean you were always one. I had maybe half a dozen books when I was in high school, not counting the middle grade books I still had on my shelf from back when I did Pizza Hut's Book It program (which I note is still going on [bookitprogram.com]!). And even then it was only because, when I was a sophomore in high school, my brother had brought home a book about black holes [amazon.com] that just blew my mind. After I realized the similar books said mostly the same thin
I am an American male, and I turned twenty on the twenty-sixth of May.
My personal book collection is a bunch of Weber, Laumer, and Harrison books, along with some miscaleneous science fiction. I have borrowed (and read!) the entire Foundation series from my high-school library. I've got the entire original Hardy Boy series and I've read every single one. I have almost all of Brian Jacques Redwall series as well. I've got a stack of D&D 3.5 sourcebooks and extras that I never use because I can't find
Now, show me someone twenty or under with an extensive paper book collection. People will stop buying paper books and people with paper book collections will die eventually.
Considering that most of them can't read beyond a 3rd grade level that's a bit unfair...
Now, show me someone twenty or under with an extensive paper book collection. People will stop buying paper books and people with paper book collections will die eventually.
Considering that most of them can't read beyond a 3rd grade level that's a bit unfair...
I really wish I could laugh at this, but I, a 36 year old of average intelligence is astounded by the total dreck that my 20-something classmates hand in for college papers. Poor spelling, horrible grammar, inappropriate apostrophe use. Prose that smacks of illiteracy. Yet all of them seem to believe they are "brilliant geniuses" and "exceptional students."
May Sauron help us all when these kids enter the workforce.
... I, a 36 year old of average intelligence is astounded by the total dreck that my 20-something classmates hand in for college papers. Poor spelling, horrible grammar, inappropriate apostrophe use. Prose that smacks of illiteracy. Yet all of them seem to believe they are "brilliant geniuses" and "exceptional students."
I'm willing to bet that if you were their age, you'd be handing in the same "dreck" that they hand in.
I recently found a bunch of old college essay papers I'd written in my junior and senior years of college. I was appalled at my spelling and grammar. I, was a genius when I was 20, too.
You missed the words "generation" and "century". I'll keep my hardbound library for another 20 years. Then the next generation of miscreats who gets it as an estate are the ones who will ditch it, maybe ebay.
A century is a long time. However Print On Demand will be a household / mall thing by then so it could get complcated.
They said that about vinyl records years ago, but there's still plenty of them being pressed - and there seems to be more and more each year.
It is absurd. In a few generations technology will crash down probably. We can't sustain this rate of chip production forever, especially not with this idea that tech is disposable and meant to be thrown away before the year is out. In a few generations people will wise up and realize books made of paper are actually a good idea.
And how many people (in the privileged west) haven't seen a lion?
Maybe not in the wild, but come on, everyone's been to a zoo. Seeing a lion is not a rare event.
A few generations until seeing a paper book is as rare as seeing a lion?
It's the massive surge in lion numbers that we should be worrying about.
Just think. With the death of paper books and the move to only digital copies (most of which will be slathered in DRM) you can eliminate the concept of resale, ensure that old editions of books become unusable, and revise history on the fly. Region lockouts, EULAs, acitvations and time limits. Then they can layer even more restrictions on top and enforce them via more bad pro-corporation, anti-citizen laws.
Sure seems like we're already on this road. All they need to do is require government licensing for access to a compiler...
It's already impossible to rent movies and buy music and in some instances, buy books in most places in the US.
Last time I checked, the US Postal Service still delivers to every address in the US. Netflix, among others, delivers movies (on DVD or Blu-Ray) by mail.
Amazon, while offering 256kbps DRM-free MP3 downloads, also still sells music CDs and books. There are plenty of examples of other such vendors.
It may come to pass that there isn't a general market brick-and-mortar shop for books or music in some areas, particularly smaller towns, but what's wrong with ordering things for delivery?
Of course, everyone was making the same predictions about downloadable music not so long ago.
Give it a few years; once tablets are as ubiquitous as iPods, companies have been pummeled with lawsuits after shutting down eBook DRM servers, and a major retailer is threatening to take over the entire market, publishers will start marketing "eBooks Plus" or somesuch.
Just think. With the death of paper books and the move to only digital copies (most of which will be slathered in DRM) you can eliminate the concept of resale, ensure that old editions of books become unusable, and revise history on the fly. Region lockouts, EULAs, acitvations and time limits.
Of course that would be ignoring the fact that the same thing has happened with music and the largest distributors - Amazon and iTunes - provide most of it DRM-free.
Music, and music only. Video and ebooks however continue to be wrapped in layers of DRM and little forward motion to push DRM out of those fields seems to be underway.
Richard Stallman's famous parable about the Right to Read, and what will happen if intellectual monopoly laws continue to grow:
Repeat after me: there must be a free (as in speech) books movement. There must be a free (as in speech) books movement...
Since after the EMP bombs all go off, no one's eReaders are gonna be working all that well anymore.
Doesn't *anyone* read science fiction anymore?
You people just aren't *near* paranoid enough.
After the EMP bombs all go off, people will be searching for water, food, shelter, and weapons. They won't be searching for chunks of dead trees.
After the EMP bombs all go off, people will be searching for water, food, shelter, and weapons. They won't be searching for chunks of dead trees.
Nonsense. In the winter it gets cold around here - lots of paper could be handy.
I know I'd be really glad for my chunks of dead trees that have information about what plants are safe to eat, which ones are good for medicine, and so forth.
Granted, there will be an immediate scramble for survival, and I have no illusions that I'm in a good position to survive that, but in the long term there are lots of books that would be damn nice to have if you're lucky enough to survive.
/me looks at eReader.
My nearest eReader is five feet away from any connected power cord, which is the primary means of propagation for EMP, right?
At 64GB, that's... at least 40K books in graphical format, more if it were text or other highly compressible format, or such?
Whereas, the nearest university library (exactly 2.5 blocks away) is just chuck-full of stuff that's going to go boom during an EMP event in the US, and then catch fire... I'm betting on my eReader.
Sorry, dude. Keep your prognostication within five, ten years, and you have a discussion on your hands. Stretch it out to the point where most people reading right now will be dead, and you're writing a bit of fluff that, by design, can't be refuted or argued with.
The slashdot summary says: "[...]within a few generations, seeing a actual paper book will be as rare for most people as seeing an actual lion." And how do we know this? Because Kevin Kelly says so on his blog. What evidence does Kevin Kelly give that billions of people worldwide are going to throw all their paper books in a dumpster? None.
Brester Kahle says: "A reason to preserve the physical book that has been digitized is that it is the authentic and original version that can be used as a reference in the future. If there is ever a controversy about the digital version, the original can be examined. A seed bank such as the Svalbard Global Seed Vault is seen as an authoritative and safe version of crops we are growing. Saving physical copies of digitized books might at least be seen in a similar light as an authoritative and safe copy that may be called upon in the future." This is not a great analogy. If you want to be able to grow a plant of a certain species, currently the only way to do it is to have a seed (or a cutting or something, but they don't tend to keep as well). But there are easier, more secure ways to verify that a book hasn't been altered. To verify that all the books in Project Gutenberg have been maintained in an unaltered state, all I need is a computer file listing a hash function computed on each of the books. This is cheap to carry out, and it's very secure. I can print the hash-function file on a piece of paper and hide it somewhere, and no hypothetical evil government can make the piece of paper go away if they don't know I have it. There is no single point of failure, because any number of people can store the hash function. Kahle's cache of paper books is a single point of failure. It can be destroyed in a fire or earthquake, in case of a revolution, etc.
A better justification for maintaining caches of paper books is that in case civilization falls apart, they'll still be readable.
Where's the value in that?
we are in a special moment when paper books are plentiful and cheap [...] but within a few generations, seeing a actual paper book will be as rare for most people as seeing an actual lion
Ah, yes, I remember when lions were cheap and plentiful and virtually everyone saw at least a dozen of them on a daily basis. If only I had stocked up on lions back when I had the chance...
When you buy a book you own it and can re-read it as many times as you want. You can let your friends and family borrow it to read, or can even give it to someone else as a gift.
I hate to see books follow down the path that is being pushed for other media where you don't actually own a copy of the media but you simply rent or license it.
If a paper book ends up on some ban list it doesn't get revoked. Who needs the firemen from Fahrenheit 451 when you can simple push a button and automatically remove a copy of an e-book off of all digital reader devices.
Currently, dead trees are be used as a poor-man's (or, more accurately, 20th-century man's) cryptographic signature to the authenticity of electronic books. If it exists in paper, then it can be forensically examined to determine if it is a forgery (the first being the sniff test -- are the pages yellowed and does it smell moldy?). How long can this last? How long will it be until we have the TNG replicator of books that can produce an authentic-looking but slightly altered version of a book on demand?
What's the rationale here? That Amazon and Apple are going to buy and shutdown all the public libraries, including the Library of Congress? There's a fine line between being forward-thinking and being, well, nuts.
I think the public-good-costs-too-much tea partiers / fiscal conservatives will eventually shut down all the public libraries without Amazon or Apple's help.
They'll say, "Why should taxpayers who never use the library pay for it? If you want to read a book go to the local Barnes and Noble; they have a reading section. If anything the 'public' library is hurting this private business." Then later when all the Barnes and Noble stores close, they'll just point out that "if we needed access to paper books, the free-market would have kept B&N open."
And I think the Library of Congress falls into the "go to the zoo to see a lion" analogy for a physical book. Sure, they aren't going to close. But they no longer take a copy of every printed book. Their funding will be cut, too, and their outdated collections will simply become a research library. And it's not like important libraries have ever been accidentally burnt down [wikipedia.org].
Heck, listeners are going back to vinyl recording right now. Not a huge amount, but it is one of the growing sectors in a shrinking market. And this is without an "on demand" production model.
As I sit here I am wearing clothes with cotton fabrics. Synthetic fibers did not make cotton obsolete.
I expect that there will always be the use of printed physical books, even if paper is not the physical substrate. Will it be the majority? Most likely not, but it will still be an important component.
I was with them all the way up to where the warehouse was in California. What? The most seismically unstable place in the U.S.? Richmond is right on the bay opposite SF, so if CA sinks substantially (or AGW really does raise sea levels fifteen feet) there go all the books! Why not store them in Yucca Mountain with low level radioactive materials to keep the bookworms and moths and fire out?
About Vinyl when the cassette & CD came out... However Vinyl is still rather popular.
Many people insist on getting the Vinyl version of an album over the CD version.
Has the CD and digital distribution caused vinyl to die? Quite the opposite. The market for vinyls is small, but quite vibrant.
I'm sure there will be a market for physical books because some people will simply like them. Digital printing will make it possible to make a physical copy of any book relatively cheaply.
While I think that it makes a lot of sense to dump physical books I don't think they will disappear completely for quite a few more generations.
Will it also be the end of paginated layout?
Am new to this e-reader thing. Got a Sony PRS-650. So far so good.
Question: Is it possible to push selected entire Slashdot discussions incl. all comments (-1) onto the thing and read it offline? If so how would I go about it?
Idea is to select a few interesting stories before a long commute and read them/the discussions on the train...
Advice appreciated!
Marvelous! The super-user's going to boot me! What a finely tuned response to the situation!


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Submission + - Oracle to invest in Sun hardware, cut Sun staff
An anonymous reader writes: There's been much speculation as to what Oracle plans to do with Sun once the all-but-certain acquisition is complete. According to separate reports on InfoWorld, Oracle has disclosed plans to continue investing in Sun's multithreaded UltraSparc T family of processors, which are used in its Niagara servers, and the M series server family, based on the Sparc64 processors developed by Fujitsu. However, Larry Ellison has reportedly said that once the Sun acquisition is complete, Oracle will hire 2,000 new employees — more people than it expects to cut from the Sun workforce. Oracle will present its plans for Sun to the public Wednesday.


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x86-Based Server Revenue Up 2.1 Percent
Total x86-based server revenue for the second quarter rose 2.1 percent over last year to $9.4 billion, according to Gartner.
HP retained its traditional lead with revenue of $2.7 billion. However, that figure was down 14.9 percent over last year. That drop, combined with Dell's 10.7 percent rise in x86 server revenue to $2.2 billion, means that Dell has a chance to be the No. 1 x86 server vendor in the not-too-distant future.
IBM remains in its comfortable No. 3 spot with x86 server revenue of $1.1 billion despite a 10.8 percent drop over last year. Cisco saw its second-quarter 2013 x86 server revenue rise 43.3 percent to $539 million. Oracle, which has not been keen on focusing on the x86 server market, nevertheless saw a 20-percent increase in revenue to $379 million.
The "other" server vendors enjoyed a 17.5 percent rise in revenue to nearly $2.5 billion.


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(CNN) -- In late June, the U.S. Senate passed an energy bill that would raise gas mileage standards for the first time in 20 years and fund research on alternative energy sources.
High gas prices and low mileage are among the factors behind an apparent shift in the nation's energy debate.
The bill's proponents call it a breakthrough in the nation's energy debate, saying the focus is shifting from reliance on fossil fuels and foreign oil toward renewable fuels and green technology.
The measure comes amid another summer of high gas prices, state and local conservation efforts and a presidential campaign where voters and candidates say the issue is key.
So is a critical mass building among Americans and legislators for changes in U.S. energy policy? Or are these efforts simply blips on the radar as Americans continue to drive SUVs and Hummers?
A recent analysis by the Gallup Poll showed energy as Americans' fourth most-important priority for Washington, below Iraq, terrorism and national security, and the economy.
The analysis also showed Americans prefer energy conservation over more production, and that a large majority also favors tightening emissions standards and developing alternative sources of energy.
When asked to rate the importance of issues in voting for a presidential candidate next year, 43 percent of Americans said gas prices would be "extremely important," according to a May poll by Opinion Research Corporation. The percentage was tied with health care and below Iraq, terrorism and education.
Democratic and Republican presidential contenders seem to have taken note of voters' discontent.
"It's a national security issue. It's a health care issue," Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, a Democrat, said during a CNN presidential debate in New Hampshire in June. He touted a plan that would require a standard of 50 miles per gallon for automobiles by 2017.
New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat, touted an "Apollo program" -- referring to the 1960s effort that put men on the moon -- that would reduce dependence on foreign oil by more than half and reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent.
During the Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire two days later, many candidates said much the same thing.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a Republican, also called for an "Apollo program" and said reducing foreign dependence on oil was intrinsically tied to national security.
"It's frustrating and really dangerous for us to see money going to our enemies because we have to buy oil from certain countries," he said. "We should be supporting all the alternatives."
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a Republican, said oil companies ought to play a part in rebuilding old infrastructure, which would increase efficiency and possibly reduce costs.
"Big oil is making a lot of money right now, and I'd like to see them using that money to invest in refineries," Romney said. "Don't forget that when companies earn profit, that money's supposed to be reinvested in growth and our refineries are old."
President Bush, in his State of the Union address this year, announced an initiative to cut U.S. gasoline consumption by 20 percent over the next 10 years through a combination of alternative fuels and more efficient automobiles.
Several months later, during a speech at an Alabama nuclear energy plant, he also spoke of the promises of nuclear energy, coal, ethanol and cars that could run on rechargeable batteries.
Meanwhile, on the state and local level, several developments signal a possible shift among mayors, governors and state legislatures toward energy policies that focus more on renewable fuels and conservation measures.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a Republican, announced the "25 by 25" program last year, with a goal that 25 percent of the energy produced and used in the state come from renewable sources by 2025.
The Nevada legislature has voted to increase the percentage of renewable resources in how the state produces electricity in four out of the last five sessions, according to the National Governors Association.
Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, a Democrat, announced a plan in late June to reduce high energy costs in the state within the next three years through conservation measures.
And New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg unveiled PlaNYC this summer, which includes 127 proposals to reduce greenhouse emissions by 30 percent by 2030 and a congestion charge for driving through certain parts of Manhattan.
When asked by CNN.com if efforts such as these were evidence of momentum toward a shift in energy policy, many readers said they were skeptical about the rhetoric of lawmakers and their political will.
"I can guarantee that whatever is 'done' will take place only to serve the benefits of those corporations directly affected by these issues," wrote Ryan Bate of Portland, Oregon.
"Change in U.S. policy? You must be joking," wrote Dean Cassano of Lakeland, Florida. "Washington is sold out to the environmentalists and tourists. The 1973 oil crisis did nothing to wake us up. We should have been drilling in [Alaska] and the Gulf ever since."
Ilene Lopez of Vero Beach, Florida, questioned whether American society actually wanted change. "The critical mass for change is still not a reality since so many people are still buying into the bigger is better motto of America," she wrote.
Cristian Crespo of Valley Village, California, said he found it ridiculous that automakers hadn't yet come up with a way to combine fuel efficiency with luxury provided by a SUV.
"It's not that Americans don't want to be environmentally friendly, it's just that we don't have much of a choice," he wrote. "As an SUV driver, telling me that my only alternative is a Toyota Prius or a Honda Civic is like telling me to eat beef jerky when I'm used to filet mignon." E-mail to a friend
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Program: Haunted Texas
Premier: Thursday, April 8, at 7:30 p.m.
Encores: Tuesday, April 20, at 10:30 p.m. and Monday, April 26, at 9:30 p.m.
Haunted Texas examines unexplained phenomena by blending the past with the present, the contemporary with the historical. The show uses both modern technology and historical research to shed light on the paranormal. This combination is on display in the pilot episode, which investigates ghost sightings around Peyton Colony, an old freedman's settlement near Blanco. The tech side is highlighted by a digital tape recorder with shielded cable and directional microphone that's employed to capture EVPs (electronic voice phenomena). However, prior to attempting to physically document any paranormal activity, the history of the area is reviewed.
It's this emphasis on the past that makes Haunted Texas unique from other similar shows. The producers have partnered with the General Land Office's Save Texas History project, allowing access to original documents and rare photos. The pilot also includes interview segments with Lawrence Coffee, an area-resident for 69 years, who provides a first-hand perspective on life in Peyton Colony. Haunted Texas offers an authentic historical context to their investigation.
The show was created by Jeanine Plumer, owner of Austin Ghost Tours, and Rebel Rebel, a local production company. They are currently seeking the funding to expand the Haunted Texas pilot into a series for public television.
— David Lauderman
About the reviewer: David Lauderman is KLRU's Director of Programming Services. A retired hoopster/gym rat, he and his wife Joie now enjoy competing in dog agility with their two border collies. Two of his personal favorite KLRU series are American Experience and Secrets of the Dead.


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Teenager impersonates firefighter 'to make pop proud'By Edith Bevin
A teenager has told a Hobart court he pretended to be a firefighter during January's devastating bushfires "to make his pop proud".
Bradley Peter Smith, 19, of Clarendon Vale near Hobart admitted donning a Tasmania Fire Service uniform and claiming to be a firefighter three times.
He went to bushfires near Lake Repulse in central Tasmania and also to the Forcett blaze near Dunalley.
Smith claimed to be a member of the Rokeby volunteer brigade and talked his way onto a fire truck in the Primrose Sands area.
He also told firefighters at New Norfolk he had been sent to help them.
The Magistrates Court heard he had never been a volunteer firefighter and had been to a fire station only once when it is likely he helped him himself to a jacket, pants, helmet and goggles.
Fire service staff only became suspicious in the field because he did not have regulation boots to go with the uniform.
When he was arrested he told police he had done it "to make his pop proud."
Tasmania's volunteer firefighters say the teenager put lives at risk.
Robert Atkins from the Volunteer Fire Brigades Association says it was a dangerous thing to do.
"If he was in a situation where evacuations were taking place, if he's told a family 'you're right to stay' and the house got burnt down then the ramifications would be unreal," he said.
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Weatherholt to Play for NCAA Title
Urbana, Ill. - Nebraska's Mary Weatherholt earned a date with history, powering to a 6-0, 6-3 victory over Alexa Guarachi in the semifinals of the NCAA Women's Tennis Singles Championship Sunday at the Atkins Indoor Tennis Center.
The All-American Weatherholt, who entered the tournament ranked 11th nationally, quickly dispatched the No. 36 Guarachi from Alabama to earn Nebraska's first-ever appearance in the NCAA Singles title match. Weatherholt, a senior from Prairie Village, Kan., swept Guarachi 6-0 in the first set before rolling to a 6-3 win in the second set. Weatherholt has dropped just one set in five matches at the NCAA Championships.
"It was just another amazing day for Mary," Nebraska Associate Head Coach Hayden Perez said. "Her approach to the match was the same as each day of the tournament, and she came out very focused and determined from the beginning."
Weatherholt's victory earned her a matchup with defending NCAA champion Nicole Gibbs on Monday at noon. The junior from Stanford, who was ranked No. 13 nationally entering the tournament, cruised to a 6-1, 6-1 win over No. 31 Breaunna Addison from Texas in Sunday's other semifinal. Weatherholt and Gibbs have never met in competition.
"I think the two best players in the tournament are going to meet in the final, and that doesn't happen very often," Perez said. "It is going to be a great final, and Mary is looking forward to it."
With the victory, Weatherholt improved to 30-1 in singles on the year and 52-4 overall in combined singles and doubles matches. It was her school-record 123rd career singles victory, while she improved her career combined win total to 208.
Weatherholt at NCAA Singles Championship (5-0)
First Round (May 22)
#11 Mary Weatherholt (NEB) def. #38 Aleksandra Josifoska (UNLV), 6-4, 6-4
Second Round (May 23)
#11 Mary Weatherholt (NEB) def. #43 Klara Fabikova (Cal), 6-2, 6-1
Third Round (May 24)
#11 Mary Weatherholt (NEB) def. #3 Robin Anderson (UCLA), 6-7 (4), 6-0, 6-0
Quarterfinals (May 25)
#11 Mary Weatherholt (NEB) def. #6 Lauren Henning (Georgia), 6-2, 6-2
Semifinals (May 26)
#11 Mary Weatherholt (NEB) def. Alexa Guarachi (Alabama), 6-0, 6-3
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French defender Julien Escude, 27, and Brazilian midfielder Renato Dirnei, 28, have had their contracts extended by four years, while 22-year-old Spaniard Antonio Puerta had been handed a new five-year deal.
The Andalusian club, who as well as their double cup success finished third in the Primera Liga this season, are also in discussions with other players, including captain Javi Navarro and highly-rated young winger Jesus Navas.
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Chelsea manager Roberto Di Matteo is still refusing to declare his side as genuine title contenders despite their impressive 4-2 win over Tottenham.
The Blues came from 2-1 behind to claim their seventh Barclays Premier League win of the season as Di Matteo's attacking players continue to impress. Yet despite the result, Di Matteo believes it is premature to start talking about whether Chelsea are the favourites for the Premier League title.
"I think I would say it is too early to say that," he said. "There are 30 games still to play. It makes us a team that is strong and makes our start even better, but with 30 more games I still think that you have to wait until the Christmas period."
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Ken Wilber once wrote a very moving account of caring for his newly wed wife through her last illness. As those who know his other writings will appreciate, he is a born intellectual with a huge appetite for acquiring and integrating knowledge and understanding. His books get longer and longer. But as it became clear that his wife's cancer was terminal he abandoned all his other activities and interests to concentrate on caring for and being with her.
As the stress of the role increased he began to crack under the strain. Ominous shadows began to appear until a friend told him to take at least an hour or two each day for his intellectual work, which he wisely did.
We are who we are, and we cannot change ourselves by will or thought alone. Being is all we are most deeply meant to do. It is complete fulfillment and happiness and allows for the fulfillment of our responsibilities. The first step in being ourselves is to accept who we are even – especially – if we think we should have had other features written into our software from the moment of our creation.
'In meditation we accept the gift of our being'. John Main's short definition rings truer each stage of the journey of meditation. Its meaning can be explored ever more deeply. Yet this work of self-acceptance is a great deal harder and more demanding than the merely self-help mentality appreciates. Therefore, accepting and being who we are should consciously start as early as possible, before the encrustation of imaginary selves becomes too thick. Many of these selves are sources of suffering and complexity because they set us up for patterns of failure and so often lead to self-rejection, the very opposite of what is natural.
Shedding these layers of identity is like refusing unnecessary clothing. We need some clothes, for warmth or protection or to be respectful to our neighbours on the subway. But, on the spiritual journey, as few as possible.
Jesus would have been crucified naked. In the Resurrection clothes were no longer an issue.
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CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa – Clay Wallace flew from Indianapolis to Cedar Rapids so he could pitch for 20 minutes at the 2010 Pitcher/Catcher Indoor Showcase at Perfect Game USA on Saturday morning. As far as he's concerned, it was time and money well spent.
"For me, ever since I started in baseball, Perfect Game has been a big deal," said Wallace, who is from Zionsville, Ind. "I like the Perfect Game events; they're all run well. And I came up here knowing there would be some guys (pro scouts) up here watching. It's another good thing to do before the season, because this is a big year."
Wallace is a 6-foot, 195-pound right-hander with a lively fastball and tight, sharp breaking ball. He's ranked No.254 in the Class of 2010 by Perfect Game and has committed to Central Arizona Junior College, but he wants to play pro ball. That's why he was in Cedar Rapids Saturday, so he could perform in front of the scouts and try to improve his stock for the draft this June.
"Hopefully I'll get drafted and need to go," he said. "And if not, I'm ready to go to Central Arizona and do whatever it takes to get it the next year."
Danny Heim, a right-handed pitcher and third baseman from St. Louis, drove to Cedar Rapids on Friday with his family to perform in the Showcase. For him, the decision was easy. He wanted to participate in another Perfect Game event, and this time it happened to be at PG's headquarters in Iowa.
"This place has a reputation," he said. "Jacob Turner from St. Louis came up here and went to the Metrodome (for the 2008 National Showcase). That's something that I would like to do. I would like to be a big-time pitcher like him."
Turner, from St. Charles, Mo., was selected in the first round of the 2009 draft by the Detroit Tigers and signed a contract that guarantees him at least $5.5 million. That's enough motivation for anyone.
"I think I did pretty well," said Heim, who is ranked No.246 in the Class of 2011. "I hit the spots that I wanted to. My specialty is the outside corner. And the fastball inside is also one of my specialties."
Heim threw his fastball in the high 80s and touched 90. He showed a nice breaking ball, something he didn't start throwing until two years ago. He confessed to being a little nervous at first Saturday in front of the pro scouts and college coaches, but quickly settled down.
"I'm actually kind of getting used to it," he said. "I play for the Rawlings Prospects (in summer ball), so I get used to that (the scouts). I always get nervous, but when I get up on the mound everything calms down and I'm focused on the catcher."
Heim thought he helped himself on Saturday. So did Wallace.
"I think I did pretty well," said Wallace. "I've been working during the off-season on some of my off-speed stuff, and I showed a lot of that today rather than my fastball. And the fastball was there when I needed it. It felt good."
Wallace threw in the high 80s and also touched 90. All of the pitchers threw to live hitters in the Showcase, and his breaking ball looked nasty at times. "I've been working on it," he said.
Wallace was glad he made the trip from Indianapolis. "I came to this event two years ago," he said. "It was good then, and it was good again. We're flying back today, before the storm."
The Showcase continues Sunday at Perfect Game headquarters.


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As promised, the Mass Effect 3 "Extended Cut" downloadable content is available today. It's available for the Xbox 360 and will be coming to PC soon, but the PlayStation 3 version isn't coming until July 4. Spoilers follow.
The Extended Cut adds more context to the endings, but doesn't change the key choice that bothered some fans. BioWare pointed out that people who rejected the concept itself won't be pleased. But fans looking for some more clarity and detail should like it a bit better. Plus, some fans have already noticed a fourth option, in which Shepard simply refuses to make any choice at all.


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I will need help from someone that knows how to do programming in Worpdpress and make custom themes and plugins.
I need simple registration on one site where users should be able to see their profiles..
You can contact me on firstname.lastname@example.com
Will pay up to $100 for this. Shuold be easy for someone that knows what he does.


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Kick a golf ball back onto the green. Sneak a peek at an opponent's cards in a friendly poker game. Grab a few hundred extra dollars in Monopoly. Duke University professor Dan Ariely studies cheating, and has figured out what drives us to to do it, and how we justify our actions.
Many Of Us Are Small-Stakes Cheaters, But Why?
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On the final stop of the Lee County Urban Farm Tour, agrotourist Constance Sanvi held a fresh head of lettuce bigger than a basketball and jokingly posed for a picture. It was also passed down the line so other visitors would be able to feel its smooth leaves or how heavy it really was.
They were welcomed by the Lewis family - a father and son team from New York City - who purchased Palm Creek Produce a year ago, after Ryan Lewis described to his father about the process of industrialized farming and where food really came from.
"They came to me after seeing a show on television about the type of food in this country," said Ryan's father James, who moved to Southwest Florida after getting injured on the job.
Father and son set out constructing much of the hydroponic farm themselves, following classic Dutch hydroponic farming methods, and it's now capable of holding up to 60,000 plants. Ryan Lewis also decided to partner with Edible Garden, a national brand that teams up with local farmers to provide produce that is natural, free of contaminants or pesticides, and shortens the amount of time it takes for food to travel from the farm to market.
Between 2008 and 2011, the amount of local produce markets in the United States increased by 53 percent after a surge of community farms, co-ops, and rooftop gardens appeared along suburbs and cities, according to data from Edible Garden. Furthermore, the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported that the sale of locally-grown food reached $7 billion in 2011.
With Edible Garden as a partner, Ryan Lewis said there was an opportunity for growth and expansion, with the goal of keeping food safe, fresh, and delicious.
"We want to expand the farm and there's plenty of room," he said, adding that most grocery stories carry produce that is shipped in from across the country. "Your product will be one or two hours in the truck and then in the store."
Edible Gardens offers four types of produce for consumers: living basil and lettuce, called "living" because it comes with the root system attached, and herbs that are either cut or potted. Their supply comes from local farms such as Palm Creek Produce; Heartland Growers, Ind.; and NB Plants Belvidere, N.J.; and it all stays within the regional market.
Ryan Lewis took agrotourists on a short tour of the facility and stressed that he didn't use pesticides or GMOs - genetically modified organisms - and he's working on receiving his organic designation and GAP certification.
A team of helpers join Ryan Lewis each night in harvesting and shipping orders - usually at 3 a.m. - and like Edible Garden they live by the motto of keeping "technology and nature in perfect harmony."
The farm is at 18671 Palm Creek Drive in North Fort Myers. For more information on Edible Garden, visit eatherbs.com.


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Joanne remembers her trips to Italy and with her student Di shows us a classic pizza strata and a dessert inspired by limoncello. Recipes: Green Salad with Garlic croutons and Balsamic Red Wine Dressing, Pizza Strata, and Lemon Sorbet and Vanilla Ice Cream with Limoncello. Student: Di Harris, Retired Nanny.
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As well as the large colossal squid being defrosted and examined, the scientists will also be examining two giant squid and an incomplete small colossal squid.
You can watch one of the giant squid being being unwrapped for defrosting now via the webcast. The image below shows a common arrow squid alongside the mantle of the giant squid.


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"I think what's unique about this is that, from beginning to end, it is a UAB project," said Dr. Zinn, a Professor in the Department of Radiology and also a senior scientist in the Experimental Therapeutics Program.
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama -- There's no missing these cancer cells. They glow in the dark.
Researchers at the University of Alabama at Birmingham are leading the way toward an improvement in cancer surgery that works by literally lighting up cancer cells for better recognition by the medical team and more accuracy in removing the cancer. Read more >>>


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Answers From The Civ IV Team 439
My only question for Civ4 concerns the AI: Have you made it a crafty enough opponent yet that it can compete at the higher skill levels of the game without resorting to the "cheating" that we've seen in previous incarnations of the game? If so, how?
Soren Johnson:
A great deal of effort has been put into making the Civ IV AI the best yet. For the first time ever, we have received direct input from the world's best Civ players during the game's development, via a very selective, closed beta that began very early. This feedback allowed us to iterate on the AI's design much more quickly and effectively than ever before.
Much of the information cheating has been removed from the game (such as knowing where a resource is before it is discovered, sending off galleys with settlers to undiscovered lands, targeting cities with fewer defenders, etc.) Further, the heuristics it uses to make decisions, such as for diplomatic demands and declarations of war, are the same ones available to the player (such as from the power chart on the Demographics screen). However, as with all versions of Civ, the AI has production and research penalties at the lower levels and bonuses at the higher levels. The level of the bonuses are lower than they have ever been before; in fact, the AI never receives any bonuses whatsoever for building wonders - a far cry from the "free AI wonders" in Civ 1. Noble and Prince are the difficulty levels where the AI's rules are closest to the human's.
2. DRM in Civ IV - by Lord Ender
Civ III requires the installation CD be inserted every time you play, even though none of the content on the CD is used by the game after installation. This annoys your customers by making them juggle CDs, unnecessarily wear out their hardware, and shorten their battery life. Consequently, many of your customers install "No-CD Cracks" to fix this flaw in your software. How do you feel about the existence and use of such cracks? Will you include this CD requirement in Civ IV even though it does not prevent copyright infringement but still inconveniences your customers?
Soren Johnson:
Like our previous games, Civ IV requires the CD to be in the drive on start-up. The funding we get for all of our games, which allows us to hire developers to work on the AI, graphics, interface, etc., is a direct reflection of how many copies our previous games have sold in the marketplace. Thus, I hope people will understand that making sure that our games are purchased instead of stolen is very important to us. Frankly, I do not agree that requiring the CD to be in the drive "does not prevent copyright infringement," even though I understand that this is almost always true for the technically adept. This is a sensitive issue, but the future of game development depends on preventing piracy, so I hope people will have patience with the basic safety measures we have used.
3. Politics - by MosesJones
How much will CiV4 use political shifts in countries as a cyclical change in approaches?
Soren Johnson:
Each of the leaders in the game has a certain political leaning that will become clear over the course of the game. Mao may pressure you to adopt State Property while Roosevelt would encourage Universal Suffrage. Indeed, playing off these various interests is a core part of the diplomatic game. We do not, however, have political shifts modeled - outside of the anarchy that occurs whenever the player chooses to change Civics. Perhaps it is an idea to consider for the future.
4. Family Gaming - by carambola5
Growing up, playing games with the family meant getting out classic boardgames like Monopoly, Risk, etc. The Civilization games seem like a prime candidate for breaking into the family-game-playing field. What, if any, steps has your team taken to bring your game(s) to the level of "game night with the kids?" What technologies, such as display and control, need to be developed before such an environment is realized?
Soren Johnson:
Civilization is a great game for families, especially now that true team-based play is possible. One could easily imagine a parent and child playing together to Take Over the World. However, that situation does require a couple computers...while hot-seat is the option for families with one computer. I am sure more could be done in this area, but the assumption of a single mouse and keyboard is certainly the limitation. On a console, "family-night" may be more viable as multiple controllers would be available.
5. Portables - by BMonger
Is there any chance we'll get to see some of the Civ titles moved to portables? I think the game would play wonderfully on the DS.
Soren Johnson:
We are very intrigued by the idea of Civ on a portable. Certainly, turn-based gaming has proved quite viable on that format - many of us are big fans of Advance Wars. The fact that Civ can be put down and picked up at any time makes it a good fit. There are, however, no official plans at this time.
6. The Civ4 AI - by freidog
Is the AI going to be as moddable and customizable as the rest of the game content? I know Mr. Caudill mentioned an 'AI SDK' for 'experienced programmers' over on the IGN Civ 4 preview to tailor the AI to their desires. But it was mentioned as a seperate entity from the XML unit files and the basic Phython scripts. Basically I was hoping you could go into some more detail on what AI and other more complex modding might entail.
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The AI for Civ IV is written entirely in C++. However, all the AI code (as well as game code) is compiled into a separate DLL which can be replaced with a modified version. Essentially, the SDK release will be all of the files required to build this DLL. Thus, changing the AI and "core" game rules (such as terrain, movement, production, etc.) is possible - one could implement a completely different combat model, for example.
7. Alpha Centauri - by squiggleslash
I'm wondering if plans are afoot to work on Alpha Centauri, and if so, how the original will be improved upon. Some of us see AC as the best in the whole (greater) Civilization series. Awesome game.
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There are no official plans to make a sequel for Alpha Centauri although it's certainly an idea we kick around every now and then. In many ways, Civ IV is an attempt to incorporate many of the things which were great about SMAC into the core series. Civics obviously derives directly from Social Engineering. Also, the promotions system can be seen as a more reward-based version of the Unit Workshop. The increased role of leader personalities is also inspired by the diplomacy from SMAC. Thanks for the feedback...it definitely pushes us to take a closer look at the idea of making a new version of SMAC. We'll keep you posted.
8. Python+XML vs lua - by SumDog
My questions are:
Why did you choose the language that you did (python + xml files)?
What are the advantages to this approach?
What are the disadvantages you've found using these technologies?
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We chose to use python because we wanted a well-supported scripting language that could extend our core code. Indeed, we wrote much more code in python than we were expecting, including all in-game screens and the main interface. It was a huge win for the project because writing code in a language with garbage collection simply goes faster than writing code in C++. The fact that users will be able to easily mod the interface is a nice plus as well. The downside of python was that it significantly increased our build times, mostly from linking with Boost. XML was chosen because it is a very flexible system for storing data, which is important for a game like Civilization that is essentially "built" from numbers. Using an off-the-shelf XML editor, anyone from our designers to end users could modify our game data. We also have a high-level file system which allows you to override any specific art, sound, python, or XML file simply by setting a specific "mod directory" that contains only the modified files. If a specific file is not found in this directory, the game just uses the default one.
9. Macro and Micro Management - by kenp2002
How did the Civ team address macro and micro management aspects of the game? RTS games are forced to place heavy consideration into managing in real time units and control and the scope of an RTS prevents a snowball effect. Turned based games become burdened by logistical considerations as a result of not having that same focus on micromanagement. Managing 55 workers in Civ3 along with 35 cities becomes a logistical nightmare when governor AI doesn't learn from your play style. Which Direction is Civ4 taking?
Soren Johnson:
Removing unnecessary micromanagement from the game was a high-level design goal for Civ IV, one which paid off huge dividends in the final product. We systematically looked at every piece of micromanagement from which Civ 1-3 suffered and figured out ways to remove it without altering the underlying game dynamic. Pollution was removed in favor of a high-level health system. Beaker and hammer overflow was introduced to end the incentive for min-maxing your citizens each and every turn. City riots were simply turned into angry citizens to take away the need to continually check on your cities' happiness in case something went wrong. Workers now have two moves so that a move and an order can be given on the same turn -reducing the number of times the player deals with an active worker by half. Also, some high-level controls to allow micromanagement were added. For example, workers can be grouped together and given an infinite number of sequential orders. Multiple cities can be selected at a time, allowing the player to change all cities on one continent to build tanks with just two clicks.
10. Do you think 3D graphics will enhance gameplay? - by Anubis333
As a long time Civ player, I would have to say that I really didn't understand why it moved to 3D graphics. Will having the engine be entirely 3D in Civ IV actually add to the gameplay in any way, other than have objects occlude one another? When I say 'add to the gameplay' I mean, add to the game experience in a way 2D sprites couldn't. For example: Physics, multipls views, wind, etc.. (I have only really seen the 3D globe, and like the idea).
Soren Johnson:
Graphics succeed in a Civilization game when they provide a good representation of the world's state. Simply put, what-you-see-is-what-you-get is a lot easier with 3D than with 2D. Wonders and buildings now appear on the map, so the player doesn't need to reference an advisor screen to see which city has the Pyramids. Improvements like farms and mines animate differently depending on whether a city is working them or not. Multiple units can now be used to signify hit-points, instead of the old red/green bars. Now, most of these ideas could have been executed in 2D, but certainly with more difficulty as everything displayed in 2D requires an algorithmic system which must be built from scratch. From a pure design perspective, 3D provides an incredible amount of flexibility for free.


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I have done one upscale of these really nice kits from Semroc. Finally got the stuff to begin another. Don't let the supplies fool you at first glance. They all need to be cut down, trimmed and turned! I got double the amount of bass wood needed in case I mess up turning the cones.
See the Hydra in two different versions from Semroc at:
See the attached photo of my current Hydra on an H170 last summer in Champaign, IL with my local club (http://www.ciarocketry.org/), a great bunch of guys! Plan flying the new one on J800 up to K700 and this one will be dual deploy.
Planning on getting this done in time for flying at Thunderstruck 2012 (http://www.indianarocketry.com/thunderstruck/). I'll try to include different parts of the build I think might be most interesting since this is not your ordinary 3FNC rocktet! Cool. Hope you all like it!


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Also I KNOW Kellen Winslow Jr. isn't in the TE depth chart and his name only appears next to RG Peterman in potential cuts, this is ONLY because i really do not see him staying healthy throughout TC...
This is NOT WHAT I FEEL IT WILL BE, but what it WOULD BE as of today...
QB- Mark Sanchez #6, Geno Smith #7, Greg McElroy #14
RB- Chris Ivory #33, Mike Goodson #23, Bilal Powell #29, Joe Mcknight #25
FB- Tommy Bohanan #40
WR- Santonio Holmes #10, Jeremy Kerley #11, Clyde Gates #19
WR- Stephen Hill #84, Ben Obomanu #15
TE- Jeff Cumberland #87, Konrad Rueland #88, Hayden Smith #82
LT- D'Brickashaw Ferguson #60, Dennis Landolt #76
LG- Brian Winters #67, Vladmir Ducasse #62
C- Nick Mangold #74, Caleb Schladeraff #72
RG- Willie Colon *#66, Stephen Peterman #64
RT- Austin Howard #77 , Oday Aboushi #75
TOTAL= 26*Offensive Players
LE- Muhammad Wilkerson #96*
NT-Kenrick Ellis #93, Antonio Garay #71, Damon Harrison 94*
RE- Sheldon Richardson #91
LOLB- Calvin Pace #97, Garrett McItyre #50
SILB- David Harris #52, Nick Bellore #54
WILB- Demario Davis #56, Josh Mauga #53
ROLB- Quinton Coples #98, Antwan Barnes #95, Ricky Sapp #55
CB- Antonio Cromartie #31, Kyle Wilson #20, Aaron Berry #22
CB-Dee Milliner #27, Isaiha Trufant #35, Ellis Lankster #21
FS- Josh Bush #32
SS- DaWan Landry #26, Antonio Allen #39, Jaiquawan Jarrett #37
TOTAL= 24 Defensive Players*
K- Nick Folk #2
P- Robert Malone #3
LS- Tanner Purdham #46
TOTAL= 3 Specials Players*
1. RG Stephen Peterman #64 (TE Winslow Jr. #81)
2. WR Clyde Gates #19 (Depth Needed)
3. LG Vladmir Ducasse #62 (Depth There Now)
4. SS Jaiquawan Jarrett #37 (Depth At SS Already)*
5. ROLB Ricky Sapp #55 (Injury Woes)
1. RG William Campbell #65
2. OC Dalton Freeman #63
3. WR Jordan White #17
4. WR Zach Rogers #15
5. TE Chris Pantale #81
6. FS Rontez Miles #45
7. CB Mike Edwards #43
(WR Marcus Davis #89)
(FS Eric Crocker #41)
(CB Darrin Walls #30)
Also I KNOW Kellen Winslow Jr. isn't in the TE depth chart and his name only appears next to RG Peterman in potential cuts, this is ONLY because i really do not see him staying healthy throughout TC...
as of today, the roster is at just under 90 players and way, way, way too early for fans who have either seen none, one or two team practices AT MOST to be speculating as to who the final 53 will be.
Anyone doing so is ending the NFL careers of at least a couple of young guys just because they never heard of them and not because of anything they saw or even read about
Something is not right about that thread!
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too premature and to already assume that Winslow will not make it through training camp is a bit absurd since the injury in 2005 he has missed if I am correct a total of 5 games and did not have any issues during training camp.
No way are we keeping 10 OL ... I'd say 8 max. Backup OL have got to be versatile - either they can play both T positions or can play C / G, can't have that many spots taken up by backups.
9 LB's and only 5 DL seems a bit out too, though I accept that guys like Pace & Coples will play with their hand in the dirt often in four man fronts.
Negative comments, objective critisism, rants DAMN man i just figured why not put something Jets up an see if it stuck was sick of all the NE talk thats all...
Early or not fig we discusse it nevermind boys...
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Goodson will not be playing in the NFL this season (see Plx Burress).
PS. That linebacking corps is one SERIOUS group, as is that DL, and those starting corners. I still say we are bringing in a new SAFETY between now and Opening Day...
not sure I follow, B
Plax shot himself in the foot with his own gun
Goodson, from all reports, had too much to drink and fell asleep in a car driven by a "friend" who has his gun, not Goodson's gun, in his glove compartment.
The case against Goodson will get to any sort of trial and will be pled down to misdemeanor for being in the same car with the weed they apparently found (ownership not determined)
Don't think that merits a year suspension under anybody's rules.
I bet you a beer (for the next game I see you at when we tailgate again) that Goodell and the NFL will use Goodson as an example of their Zero Tollerance on gun issues by players. I see a major suspension upcoming for him before Sept 1.
Its too bad , cuz we need him & he's not a bad player, but I just dont see this working out well for the Jets...
You don't think Will Campbell will land on the 53 man roster?


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Roger Page in Melbourne Aust. has or can get both of those books, at a fair priceOriginally Posted by bagapath
His Telephone No. is 03 9435 6332 Not sure what No. you have to dial for Aust?
Roger Page in Melbourne Aust. has or can get both of those books, at a fair priceOriginally Posted by bagapath
His Telephone No. is 03 9435 6332 Not sure what No. you have to dial for Aust?
You know it makes sense.
thanks archie mac. will cheer for aussies this december. ok?
Originally Posted by bagapath
No worries mate, it is always good to be on a winner
Originally Posted by a massive zebra
Thanks for that AMZ! I'm considering joining the ACS as I'm a bit of a Statto in my spare time - I'd be interested to hear from anyone on here who is a member and whether they think it was worth the sub.
Unless I have £170 (Cheapest price on Amazon market place) hanging around, Litchfield's book will have to wait for now.Originally Posted by archie mac
Sorry about that, did not know the price, it was not a very well covered series. R.S. Whitington had the choice between doing the 1970 series and a bio on Tiger O'ReillyOriginally Posted by TT Boy
Not your fault. Shame the series seems to be not as well documented as others from the period. From reading about it in Wisden and from players such as Barry Richards, it sounds fascinating and excellent book material.Originally Posted by archie mac
Some other things that happened; The SA cricket board wanted the Aussies to play a 5th Test (the series was very popular in SA) The CA agreed, but in their contract the Aussie players had the choice, and led by IMC demanded more money. CA refused but the SA CB offered to pay them a bonus. There was some heated arguments between the Aussie players, and in the end they refused. Otherwise I think it may have ended 5 zip.Originally Posted by TT Boy
Lawry then wrote a letter to CA about the joke of playing a series in SA after a tough series in India. Chappell wanted all the players to sign the letter, but Lawry refused and took it upon himself, this is believed to be one of the main reasons Lawry was sacked as Aussie captain in the next series.
You can find these things covered very well, in 'Chappelli speaks out' by Ashley Mallett. and also in Ali The Life of Ali Bacher by Rodney Hartman.
That 1970 series was South Africa's first for three years - the previous one had also been a home series against Australia, so it's not surprising they wanted an extra Test. It seems incredible now that everyone was prepared to tolerate a situation where South Africa only played against the 'white' teams.
the only cricket book i have is the steve waugh book, good read that too.
Originally Posted by Ganja Farmer
I was at the book store, and the paper back edition was the No.1 selling book. The new Shane Warne bio was No. 4 and Roland Perry's The Ashes was No. 10
Actually Archie the particular incident that I wanted to tell is quite annoying but anyways . There is a story which many told me on different occasions including my dad (and any other Pakistani fella may also acknowledge me) .Originally Posted by archie mac
Once there was a test match going on b/w two regional German teams and Mr Hitlor was the guest of honour on the first day . The day passed and then Hitlor went some where out of the city and when he came back for the prize ceremony of the match he found out the match has been a draw . Hitlor said "What the hell are you guys been doing? For 5 days you have been playing and couldn't decide who won .Bogus game , Its banned now and shoot these players" .
I know it is tough but may it is one of those bitter pills of the history !!!
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You crack me up!Originally Posted by FRAZ
The above was ltd to just 125 signed No. copies, so may be a little expensive.Originally Posted by a massive zebra
The only other one I know of is Die Welt des crickets: edited by Brian Fell.
Don't think the Hitler story is true tbh, but could be wrong
Was that the same match where Hitler made a whirl-wind 73 (65) against a wayward attack consisting of Schumacher, Beethoven and Einstein?Originally Posted by FRAZ
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When you're 5-foot-10, 191 pounds and playing defense in pro hockey, your size is always going to be a cause for question marks about your potential.
Jeff Penner is slowly but surely quieting those who criticize him as too small.
Of course, it's always a work in progress when you're trying to overcome a size disadvantage and learn how to play along the blue line at the pro level after signing as an undrafted free agents. Penner has shown a knack for the offensive side of the game, and the defensive side is still catching up.
In two pro seasons, he has posted point totals of 28 and 35, and been a staple of the Providence (AHL) power play. However, he was also a minus-7 this season and only received his first NHL cup of coffee (two games) because of Boston's rash of injuries and the lack of meaning in the team's regular-season finale.
Penner is going to have to continue to improve his positioning to supplement his stronger frame, and also avoid getting discouraged when/if he fails to crack Boston's loaded top six- or seven-man defense corps for a third straight year. Beyond this upcoming season, the Bruins' back end might be a little in flux. And Penner (a restricted free agent next summer) might have a better opportunity for at least a third-pair job.


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Mass Effect was one of the most action-packed space odysseys we've ever experienced, and it has at least two sequels that look to up that ante in nearly every way. Whether you are new to the universe or an experienced explorer, feel free to pull up a chair
Why do you think they are hunting you in ME3? Obviously you left them with their ship. GI Mag said the Alliance took the Normandy 2 apart and put it back together to study it, but they left it wide open that there is more to the story than that. Could it be something about Shadow Broker? Speculation?
I really don't understand why they would hunt me down. I gave them the Reaper Tech, he was happy with every action I did, and I even sided with Cerberus in every dialog option I had. When Miranda was talking to me, I told her I wish I would have signed up with Cerberus way sooner! Why are they back stabbing me like this...?
Maybe when you go to earth court in the beggining or ME3 you give up some Cerberus intel or something? Or maybe he gets indoctrinated and turns his orginization towords hunting you down?
Maybe... I was thinking, since they said that they were going to make the game drastically differ based on the choices you make, could this be only for the people who went against them at the end of the game? That would be so tight.
Somebody in Cerberus is indoctrinated, although I think that TIM might not be. Then again, he could be the new Saren.
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I think it has to be indoctrination or something similar to that. Since the Illusive Man is pulling the strings, maybe he's indoctrinated? Or maybe Shepard joined the Alliance but knew too much about Cerberus so the Illusive Man just wants him dead..
Cerberus always has a hidden agenda and I never really trusted them since dealing with them in the first game. They experimented on innocent people with the Thorian Spores done other things that was just f*cked up. In the second game T.I.M. willingly sent the team on missions that were unnecessarely dangerous. I dont think he's indoctrinated but I never trusted that b*stard and I think after Shepard learned so many of their secrets and took off with the SR2 he became a liability in T.I.M.'s eyes.
I think TIM sees the Reapers as sort of a galactic cleansing machine. He might just want to prevent Shepard from uniting the alien races so the Reapers will destroy the other races and wear themselves out, leaving Cerberus the ability to strike back and destroy them, leaving Humanity as the one true force in the galaxy.
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Interesting Tren; if that's what he thinks now, then he's definitely indoctrinated.
If you treat the Comic series as canon TIM might be the Joker to Cmdr. Shep's Batman in this one. He did get hit with a prothean Artifact like Shep did. I would even go so far as to say he believes that the Reaper tech that he (more than likely) snuck away with is necessary for 'fighting fire with fire'. We already saw the other end of this spectrum in Saren(ME1). He thought working for the Reapers would help keep the current races alive. We also saw what happens to those that were deemed 'useful' after the circle of extinction with the Collectors(ME2).
So I want to say that TIM is running his own version of Indoctrination with the data he collected from reaper tech to further the rise of the Human race in the intergalactic community by defeating the Reapers with their own tech. They may be attacking Shepard because at this point he is nothing more than an obsolete tool....
Or you could just believe what Miranda(or maybe Jacob?) said about there being different groups of Cerberus who have no idea about what the other parts are doing and still see Shepard as the threat he was in ME1.
Well, it has the same guys who contribute to the story writing it, so in essence it is considered canon.
Your theory really sounds good. I also doubt that he'd be doing those Indoctrination experiments if he didn't intend on incorporating the technology for his own use. I don't think the Illusive Man is unaware of what's happening though, especially since this is Shepard they're targeting.
I think they're indoctrinated. But even so, I feel that Cerberus really could turn against you regardless of what you did at the end of ME2. If you gave TIM all the intel, he really has no use for you and realizes that you're going to probably try and be the hero so he's sending his soldiers to put an end to you so that his plan can move forward without interruption. Shepard gave TIM the intel thinking that he would use it to destroy the Reapers, but TIM may have other plans on how to use the information and what to do with the Reapers. If you destroyed the intel then he's obviously upset with you and has sent his soldiers after you.
I think in one of the demos Shepard (or one of his party members) makes the comment that the Cerberus soldiers attacking you are indoctrinated, but they don't really say whether it was intentional (by TIM) or if it's the Reapers handiwork.
Just read the newest Game Informer issue and I can't wait to say this....CALLED IT! The issue has a spoiler that confirms my prediction regarding Cerberus!


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Frankie Lee Toland, age 90, passed away at Rolling Plains Memorial Hospital in Sweetwater, Texas on March 13, 2011. Services will be held at 10 a.m. on Thursday, March 17, 2011, at McCoy Chapel of Memories with Rev. Dr. Cindy Cearley and Rev. Judy Hall officiating under the direction of McCoy Funeral Home in Sweetwater. Interment will follow in Sweetwater Cemetery under the direction of McCoy Funeral Home. A visitation will be held Wednesday, March 16, 2011, from 6-8 p.m. at McCoy Funeral Home. Pallbearers will be Stephen Smith, Toland Smith, McC Smith, Zach Smith, Bo Compston and Paul Davis. Honorary pallbearers are Braxton Smith and Kyland Smith.Frankie was born on December 7, 1920, in Capitola, Texas, and Married Barney C. Toland on September 29, 1937, in Fisher County, TX. She was a beautician for 50 years and owned and operated Frankie's Beauty Shop in Sweetwater from 1972 until 1996, living in Sweetwater since 1972, and Big Spring from 1966 until 1972. She was the oldest of nine children and was a loving wife, mother, sister, grandmother and great-grandmother. She was a member of Fourth and Elm Church of Christ.Survivors include daughter Jan Smith and husband Steve of Sweetwater, Texas; grandsons, Stephen Smith of Washington, D.C., Toland Smith and wife Kirstin of Sweetwater, McC Smith of Sweetwater and Zach Smith of Sweetwater; granddaughters, Kirbie Compston and husband Bo of Sweetwater and Callie Davis and husband Paul of Frisco, Texas; four great-grandchildren, Braxton and Kyland Smith and Foster Grace and Smith Elle Davis; six sisters, M.E. Waddell of Midland, Texas, Ann Cearley of Denver, Colorado, Margie Flint of Holdenville, Oklahoma, Betty Steele and husband Corkey of Sweetwater, Jane Collins of Centerville, Texas andWanda Jordan of Crockett, Texas; sister-in-law, Betty Kidd of Eastland, Texas; and numerous nieces and nephews, as well as her caregivers for the past three years, Benita Rodriguez and Viola Rivera.She was preceded in death by her husband, Barney on February 8, 2009; and two brothers, Bennie "Butch" Kidd and John Kidd.Memorials may be made to Sweetwater Municipal Auditorium P.O. Box 584 Sweetwater, TX 79556 or Nolan County Foundation P.O. Box 1148, Sweetwater, TX 79556.