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deeplysaddened posted 9/29/2013 07:08 AM
I am currently in stealth mode - trying to get proof that my WW has lost her way. I strongly believe my wife has been involved in an PA (for maybe 3-5 years) with someone at her office (specifically the OM has his office directly next to my WW's office). I strongly believe this guy is the one who gave her (and me later on) pubic crabs.
My suspicion arouse several years ago, but I think I must of been in denial (because I let it go and got caught up in my work and very busy family life - 3 young kids).
Long story short - I became very suspicious this past August (when I showed up at her work unannouced) and when I saw the OM for the first time.
As I started to put things together (all the changes in her behavior, change in sexual habits, secretiveness of her cell phone, changes in her behavior/mood, going to the gym all the time, getting breast implants when she knows that I do not care for them), I think my DD was August 29, 2013.
Can you have a DD even if you have no solid concrete proof? When I confronted her about my suspicions, her response was highly defensive (she accused my of cheating and getting crabs from cheating).
Well, since then I have been in stealth mode. I have caught her lies and realize how adept and effortless it is for her to concoct the lies.
The problem is catching them in the act. My wife is on a tight schedule and does not have the ability to get away for long periods of time. She just has too many responsibilities with her job and the 3 kids. I pretty much know where she is all the time.
I'm fairly certain that she and OM are screwing during the lunch hour (in his office - which is directly next to her office). That is the only time she chas available. The problem is catching them in the act. Too difficult without causing her to become suspicious. The physical set up of their offices makes it very difficult for surveillence without making her and him suspicious.
Anways, I have gotten tested for STD's and am searchiing for a family attorney.
I am strongly considering divorce (regardless if I have concrete proof or not). I plan on having divorce papers files and confronting her soon.
I know she will deny everything (proof or no proof). Since the PI surveillence is fairly expensive, would you consider confronting the WW without concrete rock solid proof?
I am not interested in punishing her for her affair. I just want to protect my kids and my family.
heartache101 posted 9/29/2013 08:23 AM
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mchercheur posted 9/29/2013 10:45 AM
I am so sorry you find yourself here with all of us.
This site has been a lifesaver for me----I have learned so much from the wise people here, & also gotten so much comfort when I have been in severe pain.
would you consider confronting the WW without concrete rock solid proof?
My WH also had an A with a coworker---they sat next to each other all day at work.
It was only a few days from the time my gut started to get suspicious until I checked his cell phone call log & saw the hundreds of calls/texts back & forth between them for the past few months, & I confronted WH a couple of hours later.
My feeling was ---let me throw a monkeywrench into the works before they get any more involved than they already are.
I had already gone to a payphone & called the number, & got OW's VM recording, so I knew her first name.
I simply said to WH, "Who is OW, & why are there 30 calls/texts back & forth between you per day for the last few months?
WH immediately admitted that he had slept with her.
In your case, it has been going on for much longer, & your WW seems deep in the fog. I am assuming that you have already checked her phone records----you may learn something from them. I don't know what type of phone your WW has, but
there are certain phone apps which also act as recording devices---check Brickhouse security---they cost a few hundred dollars, but that is still cheaper than a PI. I did hire a PI to do a background check on OW, to see if she had a criminal history. Even if your WW & OM are meeting in his office, she probably takes her phone with her.
I know how difficult this is, but it is often said on here that you have to be willing to end the marriage if there is any chance of saving it. Sending you strength.
[This message edited by mchercheur at 10:46 AM, September 29th (Sunday)]
OK now posted 9/29/2013 11:32 AM
I really don't think your wife would have anything, especially sexual, to do with a guy who gave her crabs. Would you?
Also sex in an office at work? Very unlikely considering what would happen if they were caught. Affairs at work are virtually always known to other members of staff; I can speak from personal experience having worked in a n office for a number of years. You just can't hide the looks, glances, intimate touches etc.
You don't have any proof and confronting her would be pointless; she would just endlessly deny. Filing for divorce may not have such an attractive outcome when you consider alimony and child support payments for 3 kids.
As for surveillance all I think of is planting a microphone or VAR, but I would leave that to a PI who has a better idea of whats legal or not.
headdesk posted 9/29/2013 13:19 PM
I think that the fact she turned it around and threw it in your face that you must be the cheater (because of lice/'crabs') is highly indicative of something. Why else would she toss that in your face. My WH was the one for years that accused me of cheating when I would dream of it. They're often just mirroring their own not so great stuff in you. If they are lying, you're the liar - etc. Good luck and sorry that you're going through this. :(
tooanalytical posted 9/29/2013 16:54 PM
I am trying to understand OK Nows comments:
I really don't think your wife would have anything, especially sexual, to do with a guy who gave her crabs. Would you?
Are you suggesting that his WW was having an affair with two OM and it was the other OM that gave her crabs? Not the noble OM who she chose to stay with?
Also sex in an office at work? Very unlikely considering what would happen if they were caught. Affairs at work are virtually always known to other members of staff;
You say it is very unlikely they would cheat because of the consequences but then go on to say from personal experience people do it anyway and you have even witnessed it yourself. In my opinion a WS doesn't think of the consequences until it is too late.
As for surveillance all I think of is planting a microphone or VAR, but I would leave that to a PI who has a better idea of whats legal or not.
mchercheur mentioned brickhouse security and I agree. I purchased a GPS tracking device that I left in my FWW car(not real time tracking) that I could download later and see where she was and for how long on google earth. Voice activated recorders can record conversations in the car. Key logging software can be installed on her laptop if it owned by both of you. It will send you a record of every chat, text, email and keystroke she makes every hour.
You can gather quite a bit of info quickly and without the expense of a PI in my opinion.
[This message edited by tooanalytical at 4:56 PM, September 29th (Sunday)]
OK now posted 9/29/2013 21:21 PM
I strongly believe my wife has been involved in an PA (for maybe 3-5 years) with someone at her office (specifically the OM has his office directly next to my WW's office). I strongly believe this guy is the one who gave her (and me later on) pubic crabs.
As far as I can see there is only one OM; the one who supposedly gave her crabs and whose office is next to hers.
If any guy I was sexually involved with gave me crabs I would end the affair immediately [where had this guy been !?] . Just for good measure I would move to another office - who knows how mobile crabs are. Revolting in the extreme.
mchercheur posted 9/29/2013 23:44 PM
Just for good measure I would move to another office - who knows how mobile crabs are. Revolting in the extreme.
OK now, you just made me laugh for the first time in awhile. An image came to my mind of an army of crab lice swarming under doorways in my direction.
Seriously tho, our WSs ( those who have been in PAs) have been as intimate as one can be with their APs, in most cases without using condoms ( which don't 100% protect against contact with an STD anyway, but are better than not using one) & also don't bother to even ask the AP if they have anything.
One question I asked WH was: did you ask OW if she has any STDs? Of course not, why would he think to do that?
OW had spread her legs for quite a few men at the office.
So now if I sleep with him, I am exposing myself to anything any of them had.
Back to deeplysaddened's situation: apparently his WW did contract crab lice from OM, but still continued on with him---guess it didn't bother her & she didn't care about passing them on to deeplysaddened
. Thank God it wasn't something incurable.
deeplysaddened posted 9/30/2013 01:28 AM
OK now
My WW has a thing for Latin men. I won't go into the details, but I know what she is into (and aparrently it ain't me).
As for sex at the office, I would generally agree with your observations. But, her office has only one employee (a secretary who sits at the front desk). The door to the office has no window. So when my WW leaves her office (to slink into the OM office for a quickie) almost no one can see (except for the ceiling mounted surveillence cameras). I would love to get access to those video footage. But, my PI tells me that there is no way in hell the owners of the building will share that information.
His office is not really an office. It is more of an equipment room. The OM is a maintainence guy.
The offices are at the end of a short hallway - cul-de-sac that is hidden from view of the main hallway.
This is why it is very difficult for my private investigators to catch her in the act of leaving her office and going into his equipment room. Standing outside the 2 doors would be a giveaway.
I am more than willing to go the divorce route. If there were no kids involved, I wouldn't be on this forum. I would be at the lawyers office filing for divorce like yesterday. But, for the sake of my kids, I will confront my WW and go the R route (if she is truly remorseful and willing to work hard to fix what she f'ked up). If she continues to deny and is not willing to do the no contact, change offices, she will then receive the divorce papers. That may wake her up (or not).
Alimony is not really an issue. She may be the one who may actually pays alimony. I do not know the laws, but I was the one who financed her fledgling business (that has now become successful).
HereWeGo62 posted 9/30/2013 06:54 AM
Sorry you are here,there are many people here that have lived this nightmare and are more than willing to try and help.
I am more than willing to go the divorce route. If there were no kids involved, I wouldn't be on this forum. I would be at the lawyers office filing for divorce like yesterday.
Whatever you finally decide to do you should strongly consider consulting a lawyer. The L can give you an idea of what your rights are in case things go south.
Even though it is hard I think you should stay in the stealth mode, it does not sound like your W is going to come clean with anything and truthfulness is not one of her strongpoints. The question will be "what are you going to do if you can't prove an A?" Your gut is telling you what's going on, this sixth sense is not usually wrong.
Stay strong, your kids are going to need you. Keep posting as long as you need to.
betrayedme2 posted 9/30/2013 07:06 AM
You mentioned she's protective of her cell phone. #1 thing in my book to raise the hairs on the back of your neck. When I demanded to see my wife's iphone, she freaked!! If there's nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a big deal. Then if there's really nothing there, it's an opening and opportunity to talk things out. But, if they "freak", you KNOW there is something to your suspicions. Good luck and best wishes!!!
stronger08 posted 9/30/2013 07:35 AM
Unless your W is a confirmed sociopath its usually fairly easy to catch a cheater when you know where to look. It seems your doing everything you can to confirm your suspicions. Yet your efforts have not yielded any concrete proof of an A. Yours is a strange case indeed. The red flags are waving all over the place. And I'm of the belief whens there's smoke there's fire. But, and this is a big but. Perhaps you may need to accept the fact that you wont catch her in the proverbial act. I'm a bit concerned that your obsessing over the hunt. If your not happy over the condition of your M maybe you should just ask for a D. Sometimes you don't need solid evidence of an A to know the M is dead. KWIM ?
OK now posted 9/30/2013 10:17 AM
I agree this is a very unusual case. Your wife has Brazilian wax jobs, boob implants and goes to the gym to keep her figure AND she gives you a lousy sex life. Then who is she making all this effort for? Particularly the painful Brazilian wax torture.
Since its not for you, its highly likely she has a lover and she laughing at your doomed attempts to prove this.
Unless you can gain access to the building where your wife works and plant a remote microphone in OM's 'office' [maybe wife's office too], its hard to find out if sex is actually taking place. I can't think of any other way.
You could reason they you have enough circumstantial evidence to serve her with divorce papers, [she will never confess so don't bother trying to reason with her], then if she really doesn't want the divorce, demand, as a condition of withdrawing the petition, that she quits her job. Getting her to leave her job may be the only way of ending this affair because of the peculiar nature of her suspected adultery.
Meeting with a counsellor will not work since she has no intention of telling the truth. She will make you out to be a sick paranoid and humiliate you in front of the MC.
File and make sure she doesn't suspect that you are bargaining to keep the marriage. Tell her its all over and you want out, then see if she is prepared to fight to keep the family intact.
Brandon808 posted 9/30/2013 10:37 AM
Not to be harsh but why do you need more concrete proof. Unless you had an A, which is apparent that you haven't, then what more proof do you need than getting pubic crabs from your WW? Unless you want it solely for court you don't need any more than that. She gaslighting you with the accusation that you're the one cheating. It's all about throwing off your suspicions. Think about it this way, if she weren't having an A then that means you definitely cheated and passed on the crabs to her from it. How would she or any other woman react to that?
Bottom line is you know. Now is just a question of details. The question now is why do you need to know more. Do you need to confirm what you know? Why? Do you need for court? If that's your plan then check with a lawyer.
I've been where you're at. You know but you think you need something irrefutable proof. Deep down you may think if you have then the denials have to stop. If she can't deny then she has to face what she's done and guilt and remorse will follow. Unfortunately that may not be the case. Some WS can deny forever. Some don't react the way their BS expects.
Focus on you. What do you need to heal? If you don't want to consider R regardless of whether your WW is remorseful then prepare accordingly. Get into IC.
Bigger posted 9/30/2013 11:58 AM
I read all your posts.
There is a lot to indicate issues in the marriage.
There is also enough IMHO to justify your concerns about her fidelity.
However I would not limit any investigation to proving that she is having an affair with this particular possible OM.
Its one of the more common mistake people make when investigating something; trying to prove a given conclusion. Do that and you will limit your investigation. It will make you bypass evidence and wrongly see other evidence.
OK so you claim you cant monitor her when in the office. But I for one doubt that they will limit any affair to an office if he is the OM. Its a relatively rare case where a woman maintains a purely sexual affair; as a rule the sex is currency for something else like validation, attraction and being made to feel special. So there will be lunches, motels, communication and interaction outside the office.
Its an extremely rare WS that can completely hide the affair. Look and you will find. Affair partners communicate. They arrange the next date. So look into communications. Already got hints with VARs and so.
Affair partners meet and they lie in order to do so. So she says she will be at A but goes to B. A simple gps or even a smartphone with a program like sports tracker can tell you where she was and what time. She goes to the gym for 3 hours? Confirm that. Confirm she leaves, arrives at the gym in as straight a path as possible and is there for more or less all the time. She says shes going to her friends house?
As you know from personal experience crabs arent comfortable So I understand where OK now is coming from. Crabs is something that sounds a lot more like a chance encounter with a player rather than a long-term affair. Even cheating wives dont like being cheated on. I would seriously look into her gym-time. She wouldnt be the first woman to find casual sex in a gym.
Look into finances. Where are withdrawals made? Spend a lot on lunch some distance from the office? (A definite red flag if your spouse takes the trouble to drive 15 minutes at lunch to get a salad then shes maybe meeting someone that she doesnt want her co-workers to know of).
Im quite certain that if you look you will find.
Only remember this: After a reasonable time if you dont find anything
then MAYBE its because there isnt anything going on.
deeplysaddened posted 9/30/2013 19:42 PM
Thanks everyone for all the insightful advice.
Tomorrow I have a scheduled 3 hour meeting with a top family law attorney (expensive but hopefully worht it). I will ask all the questions I need to prep myself for the ordeal ahead.
Actually, probably the most important question would relate to the concrete evidence. Is it needed legally?
I guess for me I just want to know the truth. I can see my WW denying everything and accusing me of being paranoid, neurotic, and obsessed. My goal is not to punish her or take away the kids from her. My kids do need her and she is a good mother (except for the A).
Actually, even if I have concrete proof, I do not want this info to be known to people we know. It's just too embarrassing for our family. I would hate for my kids to find out their mom ( a well respected professional) screws the custodian in her office building, gets crabs, gives it to her husband, and she still continues to see the OM).
I think what will happen is this: I do not get the proof I am looking for. She denies everything. I serve her the divorce papers and we get divorced. Somehow I doubt she will wake up from the fog. I need to move on. I have so much to offer to a truly loving spouse.
If she does wake up and is truly remorseful and willing to do absolutely everything to fix the mess, I will give her the chance.
mchercheur posted 9/30/2013 20:44 PM
Even if she is not actually in an A right now, which I doubt because I think she is)
she is certainly NOT in your marriage right now.
She is behaving in a very uncaring, unkind, selfish way to you.
deeplysaddened posted 10/2/2013 00:18 AM
Thanks for your insight.
Actually, my PI thinks the OM is a player. The investigator thinks this OM may also be banging another female employee. Just today, I saw her car parked next to his. They've been seen in work out clothes after work. He's been seen coming out of the building to walk her in.
My PI have watched the OM putting on aftershave in his car. Slicking back his hair. You know - all that male primping crap. Actually, I find him kind of slimy. I think he definitely is a player.
As for my WW - her schedule is tight. And it is easy for me to account for her time. I check her schedule daily and often check her GPS location. Our 3 kids afterschool events require her to be on a tight schedule.
As for the gym - she stays there 1.5 hours (treadmill and elliptical for 1 hour and machine weights and stretching for half a hour. GPS says she's at gym. Plus, now I am a member too.
Lunches and hotels? She's too busy in her office to get away for even a 30 minute lunch. She usually runs down to the cafeteria and brings it back up. Hotels? Can't see it happening - except on the rare occasion I have to go out of town. Weekends? Nope. The 3 kids tie up all her time.
I have several VAR and placed them in our cars. Nothing much.
Here's what is interesting. She really hates it when I accompany her to her office. She tells me that it is not professional for me to be around. Whenever we go to the office, she wants me to wait in the car or go to the cafeteria (and only come meet her at the car or exit when she calls me). I'm pretty sure she feels uncomfortable that the OM may something stupid.
My WW almost has this split personality or Dr.Jeckel Mr.Hyde thing. The woman I married is gentle kind and loving. When she is tired or if I am at the office with her, she is downright mean, condescending and uptight. In our 1st decade of marriage, I never saw this side to her. It's almost if I don't even know this person.
Also, I have noticed that if I screw up her possible plans for free time with the OM, she'll complain of being tired, having a headahce, and becomes really argumentative.
trojan007 posted 10/3/2013 08:43 AM
After reading over post and hearing how hard your hurting especially you not to come but over wait in the car it's not professional... Buddy and you do not want anyone to know about her affair... Really she thinking about you at all..! Really she has no respect for you. Stop being a nice guy look where that got you. She started working out got bolt ons.... Not one bit of that was for you she's hurting you and you don't want to hurt her that's what you lost respect for you buddy. Sorry I'm being so blunt but you need to hear it and kick her ass out of the house total disrespect towards you she has become your enemy I hope you get a little mad you need to
deeplysaddened posted 10/3/2013 12:52 PM
You are so right. My WW has no respect for me. She's a cake eater. She wants the comfort and security of a househusband and saves all her sex for that scumbag.
You are right. No more Mr. Nice guy. Look where it got me.
Also, I am starting to realize that it will be very difficult to get concrete (and not circumstantial evidence). My PI has had no luck. That's an entirely different story. But, I really want the concrete proof for leverage. Here's what I mean.
2 days ago, I had a 3 hour intensive consultation with an experienced and respected family lawyer. She basically told me that having that proof can help, but in terms of the judge punishing the WW monetarily is not, in my mind, that significant. Of course, I could sue for spousal cruelty and other stuff my lawyer mentioned, but that's a bit more difficult.
My intention is to avoid litigation. The only people who wins out are the lawyers. And in the end, less money will be available to my children.
Again, my intention is to avoid litigation and settle this out. If I get the concrete proof, my WW will be absolutely pretrified and would go very far to make sure the sordid details of the affair (a well known respected professional who screws the building custodial staff in dark equipment rooms, getting crabs and infecting her BS with crabs) do not get out. She has a reputation to uphold. Her business may suffer if word got out. She's incredibly conscious about these things. This would be incredibly embarrassing for her.
With the concrete proof in my hand, I could start my offensive. In the prior posts, I mentioned that I did not want to punish my WW. But, as time goes on, I think my feelings are changing. If the proofs comes to me, it will soon be my turn to dole out the pain. She had her turn, but I'd like to think it will soon be my turn to dole out some pain. Of course, my kids are the most important thing and I will do absolutely everything to protect them.
But, again, getting that proof, may be a pipedream.
The meeting with the lawyer was very helpful. But, it was very depressing. When she explained the custody of children and split up of homes and how kids are affected, I felt deeply saddened. This is the absolute worst part. It made me want to try to reconcile. Can you say roller coaster of emotions?
I have the legal contract and retainer check for my lawyer to get the petition for divorce started. The envelop is addressed and stamped. My hesitation is that maybe I am making this decision too fast. I guess my DD was August 29, 2013. Maybe I should wait a little longer. Waiting in stealth. Trying to see if she screws up and I get the actual proof.
When I mail out the letter, the plan is to have my WW served at her office. I'm not even going to confront her. Do you think this is the right way? Or should I confront her and have her served a few days later? I kind of like the shock and awe approach.
What if I am wrong and that the crabs were contracted through infected bedding, sheets, towels, toilet? I think that is far fetched though. And with all the other things that my WW displays, I do already know the truth.
You are so right. When I confronted the WW in August, I could tell she was somewhat pleased with herself that I did not have a bit of proof. That smug look on her face reall makes me mad. I will never forget that look.
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My name is Taylor Isen. I am 17 and have been an intern at The Canadian Jewish News for the past 3-1/2 months. My time here has been an experience that I will never forget. By coming to The CJN offices every day for three hours as part of my co-op class at Thornlea Secondary School, I have learned not only about journalism and newspapers, but also about myself.
When my co-op teacher, Gus Babalis, told me about working for The CJN, I was both excited and nervous. I was happy to find somewhere that could really help me to find my path in life, but I was also a tad uneasy, because I haven't grown up in a very religious household. Yes, my family and I celebrate the High Holidays, but I never felt quite as proud of my Jewish identity as I do after working for The CJN.
Throughout my months here, I've been working on creating blog posts for the newpaper's youth-oriented Heebonics website. I have learned a lot about the Jewish world around me by writing them. I've written a post about Israel's endangered wildlife, as well as one on how people are trying to bring Tel Aviv's high-energy nightlife to Toronto events, to name just two.
Also, I have learned about a writing style that I had never been exposed to in school. It's a more casual kind of writing, one that emphasizes quality over quantity, and the ability to be as descriptive as possible in the shortest amount of space.
The other thing that really made my time at The CJN special was that I was able to get my own pieces of work published in the newspaper. This was very exciting for me, because I felt like readers actually got to hear my voice. This is my third and final article to be published in the newspaper, and I feel blessed that I got this opportunity at the end of my high school career.
I hope that all the people that I worked with at The CJN – copy editors, reporters and web administrators – had as good a time teaching me as I had learning from them. Thank you all!


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Kapi'olani Community College's Kupuna Education Center is offering home caregiver training based on the nationally recognized Schmieding Method. The training is flexible and is available to those who wish to make this work a career, or for anyone who needs more skills as a volunteer family caregiver.
According to a recent report by the U.S. Department of Labor, the in-home caregiver vocation, which is also known as a personal care assistant or in-home assistant, is projected to be the second fastest growing occupation in the U.S. between now and 2020.
Anyone who is interested in this training should attend a general information session at Kapiʻolani CC at Kopiko Building, Room 242. This initial session will provide information about dates and times for classes and answer questions about employment opportunities and tuition loans.
General information sessions
- Saturday, May 3, 9–11 a.m.
- Tuesday, May 6, 5–7 p.m.
For more information about the general information sessions and the training classes, call (808) 734-9108 or email the Kupuna Education Center.
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Luis Suarez is facing an abrupt end to his World Cup after FIFA announced it will investigate the striker for allegedly biting Italy's Giorgio Chiellini although the Uruguay man has sought to play down the incident.
Suarez is likely to face a lengthy ban that would keep him out of the rest of the World Cup - however far his country Uruguay progress - if he is found guilty.
The 27-year-old left teeth-marks on Chiellini's shoulder after clashing with him at the end of Uruguay's 1-0 win in Natal - where FIFA president Sepp Blatter was in attendance - that saw the South Americans qualify for the last 16.
A FIFA spokesperson told Press Association Sport: "We are awaiting the official match reports and will gather all the necessary elements in order to evaluate the matter."
FIFA's disciplinary code sets a maximum ban of 24 matches or two years, but the longest ban in World Cup history was eight games for Italy's Mauro Tassotti for breaking Spain's Luis Enrique's nose in 1994 with an elbow. Zinedine Zidane was given a three-match ban for headbutting Marco Materazzi in the 2006 final.
Suarez has attempted to defend himself following the incident, telling Uruguayan television: "These situations happen on the pitch, we were both just inside the area, he struck me in the chest with his shoulder and he hit me in the eye as well.
"These are things that happen on the pitch and you shouldn't attach so much importance to them.
"I'm very happy to have qualified. We are taking each game as it comes, we know that we're in a difficult situation, we're at our limits now."
Suarez has twice been banned for biting opponents - for 10 matches in 2013 for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic and in 2010 he was given a seven-game ban while playing for Ajax for biting PSV Eindhoven's Otman Bakkal.
FIFA's disciplinary code allows action to be taken retrospectively via video evidence even if the incident has been seen by the referee.
Article 77 of FIFA's disciplinary code states the disciplinary committee is responsible for "sanctioning serious infringements which have escaped the match officials' attention" and "rectifying obvious errors in the referee's disciplinary decisions".
Suarez threw himself to the ground after the incident holding his mouth - Chiellini claimed that was a dive.
Chiellini told Italian television station Rai TV: "It was ridiculous not to send Suarez off. It is clear, clear-cut.
"Then there was the obvious dive afterwards because he knew very well that he did something that he shouldn't have done."
Italy boss Cesare Prandelli confirmed he had seen the bite-marks.
He said: "I didn't see Suarez biting him but I saw the bite-marks on his shoulder but the referee's assistants were so busy they didn't see anything.
"It's a shame, it's a real shame that it turned out like this."
Jim Boyce, Britain's FIFA vice-president and head of FIFA's referees committee, expressed concerns about Suarez's actions.
He said: "I have watched the incident several times on television. There is no doubt Luis Suarez is a fantastic footballer but, once again, his actions have left him open to severe criticism.
"FIFA must investigate the incident seriously and take whatever disciplinary action deemed necessary."
After his two goals beat England on Tuesday, Suarez made reference to the criticism he had faced over his bans for biting Ivanovic and racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra.
He said then: "Before the game too many people in England laughed about my attitude over the last few years.
"This is a very good time for me. I want to see what they think now."
However, Suarez refused to talk about the Chiellini incident and Uruguay closed ranks around their talismanic striker.
Uruguay skipper Diego Lugano said: "You couldn't have seen it today because nothing happened. The worst of everything is the attitude of Chiellini."
Uruguay manager Oscar Tabarez claimed Suarez was a target for sections of the media but said he had not seen a replay of the incident.
Tabarez said: "If it happened then I think the referee had to have seen it first. I didn't see the incident and I don't want anyone to speak for me about it.
"Suarez, in addition to errors that he may have made, is a target for certain sections of the media.
"If we believe people are attacking him, as has happened in this press conference, then we're going to defend him," he said. "He's a vital player, a very important person to the group."
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WATER AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT OPERATORS California Occupational Guide Number 443 Interest Area 5-C 1995
WATER TREATMENT PLANT OPERATORS (Drinking Water) work with equipment and processes used to disinfect, purify, and clarify surface or aquifer water for human consumption. WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT OPERATORS work with equipment to remove harmful industrial and domestic pollution from wastewater. Waste materials are transported by water through sewer pipes to treatment plants. Together with engineers, scientists and technicians, treatment operators are responsible for meeting federal and state water quality standards.
Both types of operators are needed in communities or facilities large enough to have a water system and treatment plant. Most are employed by cities, towns, or water districts. A small number work in national parks or private campgrounds.
The job duties of treatment operators vary depending on the type and size of plant. In small plants, one operator may be responsible for all operations. In large plants, operators may perform a small but more complex segment of the processing operation. The skilled work performed by operators involves the operation, control and maintenance of electric motors, valves, pumps, chemical feeding devices and mixers. They use equipment and devices to regulate the flow of untreated (raw) water into treatment plants and the flow of treated water out of these plants. They also monitor flow rates, water level and distribution, and pressure levels. Operators take water samples and do chemical or biological tests. They add specified amounts of chlorine, ammonia, lime, and other chemicals to disinfect and clarify water. In wastewater treatment, they adjust the level of chlorine. Other duties include daily reading of meters, gauges and indicators. They also log activities such as gauge readings and volume of water processed. In addition, operators inspect equipment periodically and perform routine maintenance. Increasingly, they use automated equipment to do their work.
The work may be performed indoors or outdoors. Water treatment plants must be kept clean and orderly to minimize potential hazards from electric shock, moving machinery, and slippery walkways. Necessary protective equipment is usually supplied by employers and may include rainwear, protective clothing, and uniforms. Operators may be exposed to unpleasant odors and noise from electrical motors and pumps. However, modern plants have developed safety systems to prevent exposure to chemicals and chlorine fumes.
Operators may become members of various unions such as Stationary Engineers, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, International Union of Operating Engineers, company employee associations, or specific industry affiliations. In certain areas of the State, the union and government may offer a joint apprenticeship program for water treatment operators that normally takes four and one-half years.
The following information is from the California Projections of Employment published by the Labor Market Information Division.
Estimated number of workers in 1990 2,950 Estimated number of workers in 2005 3,420 Projected Growth 1990-2005 16% Estimated openings due to separations by 2005 1,320
(These figures do not include self-employment nor openings due to turnover)
Turnover is normally low in this occupation. Efforts to ensure clean water supplies through federal regulations have increased demands to develop "high tech" systems for treatment plants.
The occupation is expected to grow at a rate considerably slower than the average of all other occupations. Most job openings will occur as workers retire or leave the work force for other reasons.
Salaries vary between areas and public and private employment. The following information lists typical monthly wage ranges for both Wastewater and Drinking Water Treatment Plant Operators.
Entry .............................................$1,030-$3,050 Experienced........................................$1,100-$3,785 Journey Level......................................$1,720-$5,700
Operators normally work rotating shifts, weekends included, and are paid a shift differential for swing or graveyard shifts. Overtime hours may be necessary when emergencies occur and are generally paid at time and one-half or double time rates. Benefits include paid vacation, holidays and sick leave; health, dental and vision insurance; and retirement plans.
Entrance requirements vary somewhat, depending on the employer. Some employers require applicants to have an associate's or bachelor's degree in water treatment technology. Other employers hire applicants who have a high school education or equivalent. Many employers hire inexperienced but highly motivated applicants and train them on-the-job. Some hire only experienced, certified operators.
All Water and Wastewater Treatment Plant Operators must be certified by one of the two State operator certification program agencies.
The certification process requires both types of operators to have specific amounts of on-the-job training, complete a number of training courses and pass a competency examination for each grade level of certificate (Grades I through V). Operators with no prior experience generally begin as operators in-training and work under close supervision of certified operators. As a condition of continued employment, trainees are required to obtain a Grade I certificate within a certain number of years. Most employers require a valid driver's license.
Trainees receive intensive on-the-job training and attend technical classes after work. They need mechanical aptitude and the ability to read and understand charts and graphs and carry out oral and written instructions.
The work requires frequent walking, standing, and lifting. Employers may require vision and color perception screening. High school education or the equivalent is preferred, including courses in mathematics, English, chemistry and physics. Training courses in waterworks practices and water technology are offered in the following colleges and universities:
Community colleges:
--Antelope Valley Mt. San Antonio --Butte Orange Coast --Canyons Palomar --Chabot Rancho Santiago --Citrus Sacramento City --Desert San Diego Mesa --Fresno Siskiyous --Imperial Valley Solano --Los Angeles Trade/Tech Ventura --Modesto
--California State University, Humboldt Wastewater Management--MA degree --University of California, Davis Water Science--MA degree
California State University Sacramento offers two self-study (correspondence) programs: Water Treatment
Plant Operation and Waste Water Treatment Plant Operation. Water plant treatment workers take one of the courses to prepare for the certification test. The program also prepares individuals who are not already working in water treatment to compete for entry jobs. Job seekers may write to:
Office of Water Programs California State University, Sacramento 6000 J Street Sacramento, CA 95819-6025
Water Resources Engineering Degrees are offered at California State University, San Jose; Stanford University; and the University of Southern California.
State Water Resources Control Board Operator Certification P.O. Box 944212 Sacramento, CA 94244-2120 (916) 657-2390
Department of Health Services Operator Certification Program P.O. Box 94234-7320 Sacramento, CA 94234-7320 (916) 322-2308
California Water Pollution Control Association 3050 Citrus Circle, Suite 225 Walnut Creek, CA 94598-9935
Job seekers should contact one or more of the following job lead sources:
--State, federal, county and city water departments --Private Water Districts --College placement centers --Water Management Associations --Newspaper help-wanted ads --California Department of Employment Job Services --California Department of Industrial Relations, Division of Apprenticeship Standards
Stationary Engineers No. 234
DOT (Dictionary of Occupational Titles, 4th ed., Rev. 1) Water Treatment Plant Operator 954.382-014 Wastewater Treatment Plant Operator 955.362-010
OES (Occupational Employment Statistics) System Water and Liquid Treatment Plant and System Operators 950020
Source: State of California, Employment Development Department, Labor Market Information Division, Information Services Group, (916) 262-2162.


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- Need Help Finding a Job? - To find on-campus employment a student may either contact the department directly or look online at the Career Center to see the various jobs that are posted (portal login required).
- All new student employees are required to take the mandatory online training. All new student employees are required to take the mandatory online Confidentiality training. To access the training please log onto your Student Portal and click on the tab labeled "StudentTraining". If you do not see this tab please go to your profile and add it. Click on the Mandatory Student Training logo. Next click on the folder to have the list of mandatory trainings appear. Finally, click "Launch" next to the training you want to complete.Students have one semester to complete all mandatory training.
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- Need more information from Payroll (i.e. when you get paid)?
- Benefits - You are covered during your usual work hours by Worker's Compensation insurance against job-related illness or injury. Students are not entitled to other employment benefits such as overtime pay, paid holidays, vacation or sick leave, retirement, unemployment compensation, state disability insurance, or permanent status. Time used by Student Assistants for jury duty or when summoned as a witness, shall be treated as an excused absence without pay. A student Assistant who is a member of any reserve component of the United States Armed Forces, who is voluntarily or involuntary ordered to extend U.S. military services, shall be granted time off without pay.


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my parents had a mini schnauzer a long time ago. her name was Mandy. she was salt and pepper. her tail was docked,but her ears were not cropped. we sadly had to put her to sleep after 20 short years of her life. she had gone blind,and deaf. we couldn't let her suffer any longer.
we have had many dogs after that,none of them can compare to Mandy. my parents would love another dog or puppy just like Mandy.
we don't care where she comes from,we would just love to have another Mandy.


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Huh? I never said "all open source software would be better", nor do I feel that way, at least in the context you provide. My point was that open source software can be fully vetted, whereas proprietary binary software cannot. Therefore, in the context of this article, I feel there are some unavoidable security weak points due to the use of closed-source software.
As far as whether open source or proprietary software is a better choice for usability, that is left up to the particular user. My own experience has been that there are some applications that just don't have a superior F/OSS counterpart yet. Until there is a better open source version, I'm stuck using the proprietary one if I want full functionality. Thankfully, that is a rare condition.
EDIT: And my sleep deprived brain just realized what you actually meant, that for this particular distro, fully open source would be better but may not be feasible due to the very limitations I just blathered about above. Sorry about that!
I'm going to bed now; no more sleepy-posting I promise.
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WORCESTER — The region's largest physician practice, Reliant Medical Group, said Tuesday it would pull out of a statewide health alliance and instead pursue a merger with Southboro Medical Group.
The merger would create a combined practice with more than 300 doctors and roughly 300,000 patients across the Central Massachusetts and MetroWest regions.
Worcester-based Reliant Medical Group and Southboro Medical Group are members of Atrius Health Inc. of Newton, the state's largest alliance of doctor groups. Atrius has been moving toward a formal merger of its affiliated doctor groups, including Reliant and Southboro.
Dr. Armin Ernst, Reliant's president and chief executive officer, said in an interview Tuesday that he feared the pending merger under the Atrius umbrella might have made for a bad match in terms of markets and geography.
"Atrius, in many ways, is focused on Eastern Massachusetts. That's where the bulk of Atrius operates, but when we look at Eastern Massachusetts and Central Massachusetts, they are truly two different markets," Dr. Ernst said.
Reliant and Southboro, on the other hand, share similar patient populations, operate in contiguous regions, and are affiliated with some of the same hospitals, he said.
Dr. Ernst said the overlap between the two doctor groups is minimal, and the proposed merger wouldn't result in widespread layoffs or significant consolidation.
"In terms of providers and locations, there's absolutely no change that people will notice," Dr. Ernst said. "This is not going to be one of those mergers that's being done because you can gain efficiencies through layoffs."
In addition to Reliant and Southboro, other doctors' groups affiliated with Atrius include Dedham Medical Associates, Granite Medical Group, Harvard Vanguard Medical Associates and South Shore Medical Center.
Even before Tuesday's announcement, Reliant and Southboro had been pursuing closer links to each other through Atrius and independently, according to a joint statement.
Earlier this year, Reliant opened a new medical office at Southboro's location in its namesake town. For its part, Southboro sends a specialty physician to a Reliant site, according to the statement.
It's not clear yet exactly when the two local practices will formally pull out of Atrius.
Atrius officials responded to a request for comment with a brief written statement Tuesday acknowledging the impending departure of Reliant and Southboro from the alliance.
"Detailed transition plans will be developed for these changes that will take time to be implemented; in the meantime the groups continue to work together collaboratively as Atrius Health," Atrius said in the statement.
Dr. Ernst said there's also no formal timeline for when the subsequent merger of Reliant and Southboro could be completed or what the combined practice will be called.
Reliant changed its name from Fallon Clinic in July 2011, shortly after it affiliated with Atrius.
At the time Fallon Clinic teamed up with Atrius, officials touted the move as a step that would improve patient care and reduce medical costs.
But on Tuesday, Reliant's Dr. Ernst said pulling out of Atrius is the best path to improving patient care now.
"At this point," he said, "we feel we can pursue or mission better, and our mission is to improve the health care of our patients in Central Massachusetts and MetroWest, if we really focus more on that than on integrating with a health alliance that's much more focused in Eastern Massachusetts."


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Nottingham Forest have made a £1.5 million offer for Queens Park Rangers striker, Jamie Mackie, according to the Mail Online.
The Scotland international has fallen out of favour at Loftus Road, starting less than half of QPR's games last season. Kept on the bench by new arrival, Loic Remy, Mackie could be looking for a fresh start and new club for the 2013-14 season. Cardiff have reportedly taken an interest in the midfielder, but Malky Mackay is yet to convert his interest into an offer.
Billy Davies has leapt at the opportunity to secure the Scotsman's signature ahead of Premier League competition. Forest were involved in transfer talks with the striker back in 2010 during his time with Plymouth Argyle, but lost out to the Bluebirds on that occasion.
Davies has no intention of failing on his second attempt, offering Harry Redknapp the same £1.5 million offer he extended this week to Celtic boss, Neil Lennon, for the Nottingham born centre-back Kelvin Wilson.
Mackie was a part of the Wimbledon side that rebranded as Milton Keynes Dons in 2004, but exited the club in 2005, moving to Exeter City where he spent three seasons in the Conference before signing on at Home Park.
With nine international caps, Mackie could represent the experienced goalscorer that Forest need in midfield.
He netted twice on his debut for the Pilgrims, going on to become top goalscorer for the club in the 2009-10 season.
If Billy Davies can finalise the deal, Mackie could become a real asset for the Reds, but with QPR pushing for promotion after last season's relegation and a massive injection of money from Lakshmi Mittal, the billionaire 34% shareholder in the club, 'King Billy' may have some trouble convincing Mackie to leave the west London club and move north.
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The following are frequently asked questions about on-campus interview schedules:
When is my interview? Your interview date or time may change based on adjustments to the employer's schedule. Remember to confirm the date and time for each interview by checking Symplicity on a regular basis throughout the interview season. Each year a few students inadvertently write down a wrong date or time and miss an important interview.
How long are on-campus interviews? On-campus interviews are typically twenty minutes. Some employers choose to conduct thirty-minute interviews.
What should I do at the time of my interview? Plan to arrive at the interview room at least five minutes early. Knock once on the door at the scheduled time to announce your arrival, and every two minutes thereafter - this is very important as it helps the interviewers stay on schedule. Wait until your interviewer comes out to greet you before entering the room, unless you are invited to enter.
Can I miss class for an on-campus interview? Students should not miss class for on-campus interviews. As a condition of participating in the on-campus interview program, each student must enter his or her entire class schedule as "unavailable times" when "bidding" for interviews and must keep the "unavailable times" schedule current as the student's class schedule changes during the drop/add period at the beginning of the semester.
The Career Center is authorized to suspend bidding and interviewing privileges for students who do not properly enter their class schedule as "unavailable times" until such schedule is properly entered. Missing a class for an on-campus interview will be treated under Rule 3.8 in the same manner as missing class for any other reason.
- What happens if my class schedule changes and I suddenly have an interview conflict? If a last-minute change in your class schedule results in a conflict, update your unavailable times in Symplicity and contact Camesha McAllister as soon as possible. Given enough notice, we will try to change the time of your interview.
Can I drop an interview once schedules are final? Once schedules are final, there are only three qualifying "Excused Absences." These are:
(1) Extreme illness or death in the family and notification to the Career Center as soon as practical.
(2) Acceptance of an offer of employment and notification to the Career Center prior to the time of the interview. Accepting an offer of employment will result in cancellation of all remaining interviews.
(3) Notification to the Career Center in accordance with its "Advance Cancellation Policy" provided in the Appendix of the Career Planning Manual.
- What is the wait list? If you do not receive an interview with an employer that you bid on in the initial lottery, you can choose to join that employer's wait list. By joining a wait list, you are affirmatively expressing your interest to interview with that employer in the event that an open slot becomes available on the employer's schedule. You will be expected to attend any interview assigned to you from the wait list. Students will be notified via e-mail at least one day before the scheduled interview, and are expected to attend the interview. This use of the wait list helps to optimize the number of opportunities available to each student.


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BOX SCORE | Video: Kyle Jackson postgame | Video: Kofi Agyapong postgame | Video: Kevin Anderson postgame
NEW YORK - The Columbia men's soccer team picked up its second win of the season Wednesday, knocking off visiting St. Peter's, 2-1. Kofi Agyapong and Brendan O'Hearn each scored their first goals of the season, while freshman goalkeeper Kyle Jackson made his first start in net, earning his second win this season.
Columbia opened the game with the first two shots of the contest. Quentin Grigsby had his attempt in the fifth minute blocked, while Frederick Elliot sent his attempt wide of the net. Kyle Jackson, making his first collegiate start in net for Columbia, faced his first shot in the 31st minute. Noah Sadaoui, who received the game's first yellow card in the 27th minute launched a shot that Jackson gobbled up.
Both team had prime scoring opportunities towards the end of the half, but neither could break through. Henning Sauerbier received a nice feed from David Najem in the 39th minute, but his attempt went just wide to the right. Sadaoui also had another chance to put St. Peter's on the board in the 42nd minute, but Jackson again stopped him.
At the half, the Peacocks held a slight margin in shots, 5-4, with three of those chances on goal, but the score remained 0-0. St. Peter's was also whistled for nine fouls in the first 45 minutes, while Columbia only recorded four.
In the second half, each team would break through on the scoreboard. Kofi Agyapong gave Columbia the first lead of the game in the 60th minute, scoring after making a couple slick moves in the penalty area to avoid St. Peter's defense. Henning Sauerbier would receive credit for an assist on the play with a nice touch pass that started things off.
The Peacocks came right back five minutes later with the equalizer. Sadaoui, who racked up seven shots on the night, gathered a loose ball in the box and placed it into the bottom left corner to even the game with just over 25 minutes remaining.
With just under 12 minutes left in the contest, the Lions would notch their second goal of the game to reclaim the lead. Kyle Culbertson sent a nice ball into the penalty area off a free kick where Brendan O'Hearn went up and headed the ball into the back of the net.
The Peacocks had one last opportunity in the 88th minute, but Marcel Maddee's shot was turned away by Jackson. In total, Jackson finished with six saves on the night.
Columbia will now turn its sights to Delaware. The Lions welcome the Blue Hens to the Columbia Soccer Stadium this Saturday for a 7 p.m. showdown.


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The United Stated Golf Association, along with the Royal & Ancient, announced new rules about anchoring clubs on Wednesday.
These changes were months, if not years, in the works and now that they are here, people are up in arms about them.
The crux of the change is that a club cannot be anchored against ones body, nor can a players forearm or hand be pressed against one's body to create an anchor point.
That was the phrase of the day - anchor point.
Players like Keegan Bradley, Webb Simpson and Ernie Els will have to change their putting styles because they use belly putters that are anchored against their bodies.
Guess what those three have in common? They've all won a major within the last 16 months, so they are PGA Tour members through at least 2016.
Why is that significant? Because that's when the rule changes will go into effect - 2016.
Bradley addressed this on Tuesday at Tiger Woods' World Challenge.
"The announcement from what I understand will be the next rules change, which is not for another three years. I don't know that for sure, but I'll use my style of putting until then," Bradley stated. "And you know, when that time does come closer, I'll start to mess around."
He is one of the lucky ones that has three years to make that change. Not every golfer that uses a belly putter has the time to alter their style because they are fighting to keep their tour card on a year-to-year basis.
Those middling pros are the ones that will be hurt the most. Imagine finishing in the top 30 on the money list this year with a belly putter, then finishing 160th next year because you couldn't find a stroke that worked for you?
The difference at the professional level is competing for millions of dollars on the PGA Tour as compared to hundreds of thousands of dollars on the Web.com Tour.
Amateur golfers don't care much about that, but look how enormous the difference is. Kevin Chappell finished 125th on the PGA Tour money list this year and was the last player to keep his tour card via the money list.
Chappell earned $647,511. That is some $214,000 more than Casey Wittenberg, who topped the Web.com money list in 2012. David Skinns, who ended 125th on the Web.com money list, earned just $34,796 this season. You could make more than that for losing in the first round at the WGC - Match Play Championship.
The money difference for the pros is significant, obviously. However, players have until 2016 to find a putter and putting stroke that is legal and works for them.
Talking heads on Golf Channel and elsewhere are fretting that this will hurt the game. Brandel Chamblee, who I respect tremendously, was way off base in part of his analysis.
Using the numbers of golfers worldwide versus the max number of long or belly putters used at certain tournaments, he surmised that as many as 20 million golfers would be hurt by this rule.
I'd guess that number is far closer to 1 million. Where's the difference? It comes in that the average Joe never plays in tournaments and won't change his putting style because of this rule change.
You think every golfer has changed their wedges to comply with current USGA rules? Doubtful. I know I haven't, but I am also in that group that doesn't play many tournaments.
So players can no longer anchor putters in the belly or against their bodies. Current pros that use long putters like Adam Scott, Carl Pettersson and Tim Clark will just have to adjust their setup, or just go back to a normal length putter.
Their overall talent got them to the level they are at. Changing their putting style isn't going to force them to give up the game. They'll just have to work harder to find a comfortable stroke.
The beauty of golf is that not every swing is the same. This change to the rules isn't trying to make players use similar swings, it's just simply asking players to find a way to make a stroke without having the club anchored against their body.
The pros are the best at what you do. These changes aren't asking too much, so the players have to deal with the change and move on.
Otherwise, they'll have to join the working world like the average golfers that play the game for fun, not for millions of dollars.
It has been going on for years, but the surge of European stars coming to the PGA Tour continues to grow. The depth of the European Tour will be hurt by this in the long run.
Over the years, guys like Lee Westwood and Martin Kaymer started playing more and more in the U.S. They were followed by Graeme McDowell, Ian Poulter, Justin Rose and Rory McIlroy among others.
Next year, players like Peter Hanson, Nicolas Colsaerts and David Lynn will be playing most of their golf in the States.
The European Tour has shrunk their minimum number of events in recent years and that has helped many players be able to compete on both tours.
The movement of some players this year is due to the coming changes in the qualifying process. Starting next year, PGA Tour Q School will only get you on the Web.com Tour. That has caused more players to try to make it in the States sooner rather than later.
In the short term, this could hurt the European Tour, but in the long run it will all balance out.
* Another topic that has lots of people up in arms are the coming changes to the Old Course at St. Andrews. Relax guys, it's not like they're re-doing the entire course. They are moving a few bunkers, reshaping a couple greens and widening the Road Hole bunker by 20 inches. Crazy stuff there.
* This week's PGA Tour Q School is the last as we know it. As mentioned, next year, the tournament will only get you onto the Web.com Tour. From there, you'll have to play your way onto the PGA Tour.


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An Outsider's Point of View
There is something about their presence that sends chills down one's spine, some sort of natural aversion that everyone feels toward them that tells you to look away from them before they look back...
I imagine that this would be set pre-Twilight because the "outsider" could be anyone (other than Bella, of course).
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If an outsider is more observant (they rarely are), then they will notice the slightest movement of the largest boy's lips. They may even hear the faint whisper that accompanies it, then shake their head in disbelief because they must've imagined the sound. A whisper that fast would not be understood--could not be understood--by a human.
What the outsider won't see, however, is that the Cullens aren't human. The blonde girl whispers back to the large boy beside her. It is barely noticeable that the corners of her mouth are pointing downward as she speaks. The bronze-haired boy looks up at his spiky-haired sister slowly and casually, almost too casually, as though he is trying to communicate something without words. She lowers her eyes to her tray of uneaten food and then glances at the blonde boy beside her.
The outsider may unintentionally do something life-threatening. They may flip their hair innocently or walk by the table, unable to see the torment they are causing the blonde boy, who is fidgeting in his seat uncomfortably. They don't hear him thinking of how delicious their crimson blood will taste, sticky and sweet like honey as it satisfies the never-ending hunger that plagues him.
But one boy does.
As the blonde boy makes the swiftest movement to leave his seat, the other boy's hand pulls him back. The tiny, spiky-haired girl hisses to him, "Jasper, please." Her voice sends sense back into his mind and he is able to control his hunger for now, but a slave can only ignore his master for so long before he is punished.
The bronze-haired boy smiles at Jasper encouragingly. "We'll make arrangements to go hunting tonight," he says. If an outsider is sharp enough to catch this (they never are), they will not truly understand the statement. Jasper nods.
"Looks like a good idea, Edward," the small girl replies, staring into space dreamily.
"Bears would be nice," the large boy says, grinning.
The blonde girl beside him rolls her eyes and mutters, "Honestly, Emmett, do you ever tire of grizzlies?"
"Lucky for you, Rose, grizzlies don't appear to be on the menu tonight," the other girl says. "You're going to love your catch."
"Stop it, Alice!" Rose barks under her breath. "You do know how annoying that is, right?" Her face is set in an angry expression, but the hint of a grin can be seen in her coal-black eyes.
Alice flashes a dazzling smile in her sister's direction. "Time to go," she announces, bouncing up from her seat. The others follow suit.
An outsider sees a group of five attractive students throwing away untouched lunches and walking out of the cafeteria with a silent, god-like grace. A fleeting thought comes to mind: what secrets are there among the Cullens? But they then shrug it off; how many secrets could possibly be kept in a town like Forks?
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Rich Cimini @RichCimini
#Jets practice: Wilkerson, Coples dressed for practice, participating in positional drills. No sign of Kerley (concussion).
Chris Nimbley @Cnimbley
Coples & Wilkerson are participating positional drills, both are moving really well. #Jets
Chris Nimbley @Cnimbley
Kyle Wilson is back returning punts #Jets
Chris Nimbley @Cnimbley
Coples seems to be doing everything & looks ready to play #Jets
damnit we need Kerley
Excited to see Coples will be ready.
This front 7 entirely healthy will be scary. I say Coples two sacks Sunday.
Chris Nimbley @Cnimbley
Haha, actually Cro RT"@TurnOnTheJets: Is he alternating with "air" as a returner? RT @Cnimbley Kyle Wilson is back returning punts #Jets"
Looks like Cromartie is also returning punts.
Brian Costello @BrianCoz
Kerley just jogged out. Not wearing a red jersey today. Working with trainers now #NYJ
Agree on needing Kerley. We need a slot wr with good hands and his return skills. Wilson is awful.
Ifind it hard to believe that will let Kerley return punts at all this week ,just back from a concussion.
I'm curious to know if Walls is practicing with the starting D. If Rex benches Milliner for an UDFA and they still haven't named Geno the starter I could see him riding the bench if he doesn't have a good game after having 10 days to prepare. Benching a No1 pick for an UDFA is worse than benching a No2. We might see Simms soon if Geno doesn't step up.
No excuse for this team not finding a real kick returner over the last few years. (The Jets should try and get Chris Williams from the CFL.)


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When you think "credit score," you're probably thinking of FICO, the granddaddy of scores. But there's a relatively new kid on the block called VantageScore. Here's what you need to know:
VantageScore crunches the same data as FICO, but with more attention paid to "thin file" consumers—that is, people with a limited credit history.
That includes young adults, recent immigrants, divorcees, and folks recovering from bankruptcy.
In this model, consumers with poor credit are better differentiated, so college grads with no credit history don't end up with the same score as lifelong deadbeats. This helps lenders identify more clients, which can result in more credit offers for deserving borrowers.
Although VantageScore has been around since 2006, most lenders still rely on FICO. If you lose a loan because of poor credit, the lender will be required to notify you of which score(s) they used to make their decision.
Remember: your score isn't as important as the data that goes into the score. If you're going to spend time obsessing over your credit, obsess over your payment history—not a score
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4-19-07 - Former Southeastern Oklahoma State standout Eric Babers scored 11 points, grabbed four rebounds, blocked a shot and added a steal to help Structure Personnel to a 104-99 quarterfinal win over Soprema Thursday in the Collegiate Basketball Invitational.
Structure Personnel will now face Galaxy, a 110-105 victor over WRH Health System at 4:30 p.m. Friday in the semifinals. The winner will advance to the CBI Championship game at noon on Saturday.
Tarleton State's John Davis, who registered a double-double with 21 points and 10 rebounds, connected on six of his nine attempts from the field and also hit seven of his nine attempts from charity stripe, as Structure Personnel rallied 85-77 deficit with 6:44 left in the game with a 27-14 run to end the game.
Also scoring in double figures for Structure Personnel was Paul Wright of Mountain Sta te with 15 points, while Tom Port hit four treys en route to 14 points.
Philadelphia University's Christian Burns, the Daktronics' NCAA Division II Player of the Year, added 12 points and eight boards and Babers chipped in with 11. Chaminade's Zack Whiting dished out a game-high six assists.
Leading the way for Soprema was St. Augustine's Nicholas King with 22 points, while Tyrone Anderson of Concord pumped in 14 and Central Oklahoma's Anthony Brown contributed 11.
The Collegiate Basketball Invitational is a major national basketball event that gathers the finest 60 senior men's basketball players from all of National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division II and Division III and National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA).
The event will take place at Wadsworth High School in Wadsworth, Ohio, and will consist of six teams of 10 players in double elimination tournament. Two sessions of two games each will be played both Thur sday and Friday with the championship game being played Saturday at noon. The CBI will conclude with an all-star game Saturday evening in front of a live, ESPNU audience as 20 players will selected to play in the game.
South Central Region in the CBI
- Central Oklahoma's Anthony Brown scored seven points, pulled down six rebounds, blocked two shots and had two steals for Soprema in a 101-89 loss to Louis Perry and Associates. Brown then had an 11-point, four-rebound performance in a 104-99 loss to Babers' Structure Personnel squad.
- Midwestern State's Drew Coffman scored five points and dished out three assists for First Merit in a 91-83 loss to Galaxy.
- Central Missouri's Zack Wright scored 13 points and dished out six assists for Galaxy against Coffman's First Merit squad before dropping in a game-high 18 points with four assists and four steals in a 110-105 victory over WRH Health Systems.
- Tarleton State's John D avis went 6-for-9 from the field with a pair of treys to score a team-high 21 points while pulling down 10 rebounds in Structure's 104-99 win over Soprema.
- Midwestern State's Eric Dawson had 13 points, seven rebounds, two steals and two blocks as his WRH Health Systems club fell 110-105 to Galaxy.


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|2013-01-10, 11:29
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Looking for a GOOD fighting and romance anime.
Hello, I'm looking for good romance animes, (I used to look for only fighting an romance animes, as the title suggests, but after watching a few pure romances I'm editing this post. I don't really care if it's pure romance or not, but as long as it's good.
A few animes that were recommended on this thread by different members that I enjoyed.
Eureka Seven - Eragon
Inuyasha - Kitten320 (I've already seen it, so it doesn't really count, but I did like it, and it WAS recommended).
Tenjho Tenge - Classified Info
If you're curious to know what animes I've watched to save you the time of suggesting them, give my profile a quick visit, I've listed all the anime I've ever watched (Chances are I forgot to mention a few).
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NO naked scenes, really? After you list Highschool DXD in your likes, really?
Well, my reccs would be,
Gurren Lagann
Fate Stay/Night
Busou Renkin
Eureka Seven
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I'd recommend Full Metal Panic if you can take a little mecha in the mix. Its set in an alternate reality where the cold war is still ongoing, and follows the exploits of a socially inept child guerrilla fighter turned mercenary counter-terrorist as he goes undercover to protect a short tempered Japanese high school girl without her knowledge... or permission.
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Combat and romance...
School Rumble.
Full Metal Panic.
Gad Guard.
Macross, basically any of them.
Mobile Suit Gundam 08th MS Team, and maybe even G Gundam.
Seikai no Monshou/Senki.
Tales of the Abyss.
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
Fate Stay/Night and the others of the series.
Those are all action animes that have a romance element to them. I tried to stick to anime that had action, and a clear romance plot.
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Baccano! if you don't mind a bit more brutal action.
Berserk - again mores serious series, romance develops in later half though towards the end.
Busou Renkin
Fate/Stay Night
Ga-Rei Zero, another more bloody action series but with interesting plot. Though series focus more on a friendship but main couple relationship does play a role in what is to happen.
Hakuouki - romance develops in second season or more like 3rd if you watch prequel first. I would actually start with prequel but if romance is a must then with original 1st season.
Inuyasha - longer lasting series with nice action and romance.
Katanagatari - if you don't mind lots of talking.
Mai HiME - lots of action and romance, highly recommended. Does have several fan service shots in first half but in comparison to R + V anime, it is nothing.
Otome Youkai Zakuro - something more lighthearted.
Romeo x Juliet - well that's a given.
Senjou no Valkyria: Gallian Chronicles - romance develops in later half, war orientated series.
Seirei no Moribito - these are different. They are not romance orientated though main female and male have very close relation and it isn't hard to picture them as a married couple.
The reason why I'm suggesting it is because of it's uniqueness, it isn't like most anime series out there. It has interesting plot with depth as well as nice character development for main hero.
Series are about a bodyguard Balsa who was entrusted to protect young prince who is hunted down by his own father because an evil spirit has possessed him. Series focus on their journey as well as many other things. Balsa, Tanda and Chagum start to give a massive family vibe later on so yeh do try.
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For some reason I thought you were looking for school focused animes with fighting and romance... maybe I got this request thread mixed up with one of the other ones. Anyhow, I'm still going to recommend Full Metal Panic, but now I'm going to add Macross Frontier (which I probably would have eventually added anyway). It's a sequel, but its a sequel that's pretty accessible to newcomers (its how I got into Macross).
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Woah, this will take some time watching..... As for berserk, I watched the first few episodes, and disliked it. I don't like samurai-like anime. :/
I'll flip a coin and decide between "Maji de Watashi ni koishinasai!" and "Seto no Hanayome." Also, Eureka Seven was awesome. Thanks to the person who gave me the name of it (Which I will soon go and check his name, as I forgot it. :P)
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Oh, and the first episode of Asu no Yoichi is awesome. :3
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Wow, looks good, I'll try it. :3
[Edit]: Was surprised she fell in love with that yellow-haired guy and not the guy who stopped his punch with a chopstick. Gonna keep watching <3
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Hidan no Aria: It's an action/romance title with some ecchi scene from time to time (No full nudity like Highschool DxD). It's about a guy, who is a butei (some sort of student/special-agent), who gets to work with a female colleague after she saves his life. The first episode should be enough to drag you in.
The anime is just an adaption of the novel, which still continues with other volumes. The anime puts a kind of ending but you can continue the story and read the novels to know some more. Here's some pic of Aria and the cast
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Btw, the novel develops the story a whole LOT.
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|6 years ago :: Apr 12, 2012 - 2:38AM #1
I suspect that many have either forgotten the 'conflict' discussed in the aticle below, or perhaps are not aware of it.
has-us-forgotten-lessons-of-its first war with iran
Now the article is a bit misleading because we did not actually fight a 'war' against Ian...well, our navy sort of did since we did for all intents sink the Iranian navy... but our army was not involved...directly.
The point of the article is that whereas we Americans may not consider this to be important, Iran sure does. Now I remember this very well. And I vividly recal the prevailing opinion within the army which can be simply stated as....
"we should sell ammunition to both sides and pray for heavy casualties and hope both sides lose and lose badly."
Some may recall that before we went to war against Iraq in 1991 many media types were prattling about that 'battle hardened Republican Guard' that was expert in dessert fighting and oh dear, oh dear, what will happen to our troops in the dessert...oh dear, oh dear...... We of course knew exactly what was going to happen. We army officers, speaking just of my own service, knew very well that the force we had trained and equipped to fight the Red army in Europe was going to anihilate the Iraqis...as of course we did! The idiot media types thought that what Iraq had learned from fighting Iran would matter...well, if it was fighting another Iran, maybe.
Anyway, Iran does have reason to not like us very much, and the same goes for Iraq. And part of that is, I'm sure, due to what has to be the fact that both countries know that we...particularly those of us who have had direct contact...don't like them verry much either.
So read the article with this in mind. And also keep in mind that my son, who served in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and his friends, and mine, dislike Iraq only a little less than they dislike Afghanistan, and nobody has anything good to say about Iran. And that, I submit, might just be a dangerous thing.
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|6 years ago :: Apr 12, 2012 - 10:48AM #2
Ah, yes......My husband was the 1st Sgt of his unit when they were sent to the Gulf in '90. Since the CO's wife went AWOL (don't ask!) and the EX was a 25 y/o single woman, I was nominally 'it' for Family Support. LOL! With my infant son and a newly de-bunioned 'clutch' foot and a standard shift car, only 50 miles from base - I could do 'phone support', however....
I got many calls from assorted "dependants", at least half of whom were anxious parents not too many years older than I was. Many of them were anxious about their child being part of a unit of Reservists, what could *they* (Reservists) know!!!! To allay one mother's fears I explained to her that the CO had been in Viet Nam - and that the 1st Sgt had 10 years of active-duty experience including a stint in the 82nd Abn (considered one of the toughest divisions!) AND one in the 25th Div as well ........As opposed to less than 4 years in service for the average line troop in the 82nd or most units.
To which she replied "Omigawd, they're sending our kids over there with old men in charge!"
My tart reply was "He's not ALL that old OR feeble yet, Ma'am: that noise you're hearing is his 9 month old son".....
The husband celebrated his 41st birthday the very day his unit got home from......'The Longest Weeekend' as their specially designed unit shirt described it. He was by far NOT the oldest troop: that distinction belonged to another NCO who shared his birthday and turned 58 that day.
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|6 years ago :: Apr 12, 2012 - 11:00AM #3
It's indeed difficult to decide who I like less between the Iranian and Iraqi governments. I think the Iraqis have an edge on creuelty and viciousness, though - and aggressiveness.
If Iran had not invaded US territory - taking over our embassy and holding its personnel hsotage for over a year! - we may have been willing to try working with them (as indeed the Israelis at the time advised) against Iraq, which clearly had expansionist ambitions.
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Nebraska prosecutors have raised the charge against a Texas man to first-degree murder.
Forty-seven-year-old Craig Johnson, of Lovelady, Texas, already had pleaded not guilty to a charge of second-degree murder. Prosecutors say he killed his girlfriend, 42-year-old April Smith, on Dec. 11, 2011, at the home they shared eight miles west of Sidney in the Nebraska Panhandle.
Cheyenne County Attorney Paul Schaub says new information obtained by investigators convinced him that Johnson's was a first-degree murder case.
Authorities say Johnson became enraged at Smith because she'd let her estranged husband to fix her vehicle. People also reported to police that Smith planned to reconcile with her husband.
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Originally published on August 20, 2012 6:02 pm
All Things Considered host Melissa Block talks with Nick Baumann of Mother Jones magazine about the belief at the core of Missouri state Rep. Todd Akin's furor-raising statement over the weekend: that "legitimate rape" rarely leads to pregnancy. The belief that hormones or adrenaline protect women from conception during rape has been perpetuated for decades in American political discourse, without scientific basis. Studies have found approximately 5 percent of rapes result in pregnancy.


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The Editors Discuss: Katherine Heigl & The Tricky Business Of Being America's Sweetheart
A little while ago, Katherine Heigl landed the lead role in One For The Money, the first film adaptation of Janet Evanovich's massively popular Stephanie Plum series. That movie opens this week… and no one seems to have any idea. Today, editors Jennifer Wright and Ashley Cardiff are discussing Heigl's prickly affect, her fall from Knocked Up superstardom and why it sucks to be America's Sweetheart.