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Trying to keep my neutered males from killing each other
So here is the low-down:
We've got a 9 year old Blue Heeler mix, neutered female named Millie. We've also got an 8 year old full blood Heeler, neutered male named Ryley. The two of them have always gotten along - she is the dominant, but mostly just ignores Ryley until he really gets on her nerves. Then there is a brief "smackdown" wherein she reminds him who the real boss around the house is (dog-wise that is).
A couple years ago we tried adopting a 2 year old lab mix - had him neutered and all. Despite trying everything we could think of or read about, we could never keep all 3 dogs in the same room together. They got along in all combinations of 2 dogs, but when all 3 were together, Ryley would attack Nox (the rescue) until one or both of the two were bloodied (Nox wouldn't attack first, but he wouldn't back down from a fight). We ended up finding Nox a new home
Last year we decided that we would probably be safer in adding a puppy, so we got an Australian Shepherd, Tucker (just now a year old neutered male). All three dogs have been together from the day we brought Tucker home, and 90% of the time everything is great. We've had the occasional spat over food and water, but adapted by everyone eating/drinking in separate locations.
And finally the problem - lately Ryley has been going after Tucker more often (basically given any reasonable-to-dogs excuse - he licked my water drop, he looked at my bone too long, etc). Tucker doesn't start the fights, but he will start the defensive growling, and he will pursue Ryley once I've pulled them apart.
My questions: Am I better off letting the two of them work out their own position in the hierarchy? I will be working with both of them individually on basic training (new stuff for Tucker and reinforcement for Ryley), anything I ought to try specifically? Tips from anyone in a similar situation? Stuff that has worked for you?
We live in the middle of nowhere Texas, so odds of finding a qualified trainer or behaviorist in our area are pretty steep.
Thanks in advance!
I have owned Australian Cattle Dogs for 37 years, aka blue (or red) heelers. I find that if they take a set against another dog you won't be able to change it. It could very well escalate into a fight to the death, especially if Tucker isn't backing off. There is also the risk that one day Millie may decide to join in the fight. I had a friend think she could let her two males work out a pecking order and the eventual, (inevitable IMO ) fight was so severe that after trying everything else to get them apart, she had to knock her red boy out with a shovel to get him off the other dog. That fight triggered a second fight between two females and she was home alone, so it would have been a nightmare. Your experience with Nox should have prepared you for what might happen this time.
I don't think Ryley has taken a set against Tucker. As I said, they play together really happily 90% (or more) of the time. They sleep together in my room without incident, and their fighting is very limited to resource-based stuff.
Ryley is, generally speaking, a very independent and stubborn little dog. He has always seemed to overcompensate for the fact that he isn't very large by being easily perturbed/offended and by getting angry when he gets in trouble (he snaps at the pointing finger when you get after him). He grew up with cats, but after being separated from them for a time I have no doubt that his prey drive is strong enough that he'd kill a cat that got mad and defended itself from his chasing. All that being said, he is a sweet little guy.
Millie will never get involved in a fight with the other two. Never. She mostly considers herself in a completely different category than the boys.
Anywho, just a couple more thoughts on the matter. Appreciate the input
ETA - IMO, adding a puppy who was neutered as soon as he was old enough to be is a completely different experience than adding an intact male to our household. So I don't really see the connection between Nox and Tucker at all...
Were Nox and Tucker neutered just before arriving at your house? Or just after?
Some neutered dogs seem to have it in for intact dogs. The theory is they are jealous but no one really understands it. It can take up to six months, in my readings, for testosterone to leave a neutered dogs body. So if Nox and Tucker had only recently been neutered they might still have smelled very intact to Ryley.
Especially if they were neutered at around 7 to 11 months when testosterone levels in a male spike to 3 to 7 times what they will be in adulthood. At this stage in a young, intact male's life any dog is likely to see him as needing to be put in his place but particularly that neutered male who sees all intact males as a threat. It's well documented and it might explain why adding a neutered male dog to your family IS the same as adding an intact male.
At the link read down to Puppy License to Misbehave.
Now none of that really helps other than to explain why it might be happening, if the timing fits. If it does then I wonder if because the dogs are constantly together Ryley just never gets over seeing the other two as a threat. I'm sorry, I have no idea if it will work itself out. I wonder if a new dog well past his neuter would face the same reaction from Ryley.
Good luck. I hope you can work it out so all can live in harmony.
The topic was 'Trying to keep my neutered males from killing each other', but they're playing together happily? OK. Ryley does sound like a typical cattle dog to me. I'll be interested in how this trio works for you, it isn't what they recommend on ACD forums. More like two's company, three's a crowd. Good luck with them.
About the only time I feed mine as a pack is when I 'enrich their environment' by throwing a big handful or two of dry food out on the grass for them all to fossick for. They are so busy using their noses that they never look like fighting. Agree about the bones, Longblades.
The two Malamutes will fight over bones as well so are never given anything of value together. Each goes into a different fenced off area to eat bones and meals. Otherwise a fight would ensue for sure. Sorry I have no advice to offer. But I do wish you luck.
If I were in this situation, Rylie would be separated from the new dog 100% of the time when I was away from the house or couldn't intervene in case a deadly fight or serious wound fight did break out. The signs are pointing to this possibility - you are in the risk zone.
as Goldfields correctly pointed out - our goal is to respond to the important title of "Trying to keep my neutered males from killing each other".
I DO 100% think that training can help this situation but I'm afraid i don't have the specific training advice you need in this case - curious of course, to read what other members may suggest.
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01 October 2010
well, isn't this the sweetest thing...
10 comments:
- Simply Mel said...
love locked ~ nothing beats it.
- October 1, 2010 at 11:16 AM
- Krystle said...
OoH how sweet is that!?
- October 1, 2010 at 12:30 PM
- laura @ so alaurable said...
I first saw this in Florence, Italy and thought it was so sweet. I just looked it up on Wikipedia, and apparently the custom started in Hungary in the 1980s...
- October 1, 2010 at 3:01 PM
- Brandi said...
oh, i love it so. it's so charming and just warms my heart.
- October 1, 2010 at 7:43 PM
- Lewis Fam: said...
There is a trail in the Yellow Mountains in China that you can climb and purchase a small lock and do a similar thing. I LOVE this little symbol of LOVE.
- October 1, 2010 at 10:08 PM
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- October 2, 2010 at 10:30 AM
- magdalyn said...
glad you responded to it as much as i did :) thanks for the link!
- October 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM
- Melissa de la Fuente said...
Oh...how lovely! Definitely in love with love....*sigh*
Hope you had a beautiful weekend my sweet!
- October 4, 2010 at 9:20 AM
- Shannon said...
I love this, my friend married his Russian sweetheart and this is a custom in her town. They lock the lock and toss the keys in the river.
I like the wonder of who belongs to which lock.
Have a great week.
- October 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM
- The Lil Bee said...
That is just lovely. Or LOAVELY, really {if you've checked Kelly's post today, you know just what I'm talkin' about} xo
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My husband was bored of my bread baking lately, heehee! He has suggested few recipes, but not bread...haha! I just happy with my bread making lately, you know...with the soft texture...;p
That is why i keep making bread, and my daughter loves it!
Without really having planned it, I realise i have all the ingredients in my cupboard and those carrots in my fridge, just nice for this carrot cake...:) Hopefully this will satisfy him...;)
Instead of baking it in a round or square tin, I was wondering how it looks like when bake them in paper cups. So here it goes.....
This recipe is from my favourite book "Bake with Yen".....Anyway, my friends out there, this the recipe for you....
4 Eggs (separated)
1.5 cups Corn oil
88g Castor sugar
80g Brown sugar
1.5 cups grated carrots
(Sift together)
250g Cake flour
2 tsps Mixed spice
1.5 tsps Baking soda
1 tsp Salt
100g Chopped walnuts
~ Beat egg yolks for about 5 minutes, add in corn oil, sugar, carrots and mix well.
~ Stir in dry ingredients together with the chopped walnuts and mix well.
~ Beat egg whites until stiff and fold into cake mixture
~ Pour into a lined and greased 9" round baking tin and bake at 180'C for 45 minutes.
**I'm using paper cupcakes here, which i only bake for 30 minutes at 180'C
~ When baked, allow to cool completely before top with cream cheese frosting.
Cream Cheese frosting
120g Butter
250g Cream cheese
120g Icing sugar
~ Cream butter and cheese until light and fluffy
~ Add in icing sugar and continue to cream till smooth
Don't they look nice?! Ya...i like it. And the little carrot?? Hee hee, i've played with some fondant, which was my first time. I was rather nervous at first, and was thinking whether to call my friend to come over for help...:p Well, my daughter was beside me when i was making the fondant, and she said "Mummy, you playing play-dough arr..." haha! It really looks like her play-dough set...So without disturbing mt friend, i just moved on...
Result??...okay lorr, satisfied larr....:)


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Tuesday, August 17, 2010
The Tweet Smell of Excess
I am frequently asked why I don't have a Twitter account. I don't have any use for Twitter. Twitter is like an Ionesco play--140 characters searching hopelessly for meaning. Twitter is hundreds of thousands of minds without a single thought. It's the viewing audience for the Super Bowl with keyboards. Twitter fills the universe with mindless chatter, allowing everyone to be Maury Povich or Jerry Springer or a troop of baboons. It reflects the culture in ways that aren't especially flattering; it's a funhouse mirror that distorts reality and makes small minds seem large and the trivial seem important. Aside from reading HoseMaster of Wine, is there a bigger waste of time than Twitter? Sure, there's watching "Eat Pray Love," two hours of comma-tose (I preferred the Japanese original "Eat Play Rove"), and there's reading Lettie Teague, but not much else. Twitter is vuvuzelas played rectally. So don't expect to see the ol' HoseMaster on Twitter any time soon.
But if I were on Twitter, this might be what I'd Tweet...
@JayMcInerney Hmmm, JLoBrow, glad you loved Inception--not sure how much Cab Phelps put in it in '07.
DrinkNectar has something really important to say--"He's important!"
Love the new look over at Catavino! Like putting lipstick on a corpse!
WS admits mixup, put Meg Whitman on cover of "California's Greatest Winemaker" issue.
@HelenTurley I know! I can't believe WS insulted you. You're the Greatest Winemaker in The WORLD!
@JLaube I think she's buying it. I'll take a case of Marcassin Pinot Noir. I use it in my Prius every 5000 miles.
Can't wait for my new issue of Mutineer Magazine! Love how they never use words with more than three syllables.
@JayMcInerney Gamay is the grape used for Beaujolais. Camay is soap. Ellie May was on Beverly Hillbillies. Nitpickers!
Burying cowhorns in a vineyard to make better wine is like putting manure in a toreador's pants for a better bullfight.
@MarvinShanken Is that a Cigar in your mouth, or do you just really like racehorses?
Just loved the Vegan Wine Tasting today, sponsored by Natural Gas. You are what you eat!
@StephenTanzer You have a magazine???! Did you hear Parker's dead? Dr. Miller attending physician.
Catavino nominated for European Wine Blog Award in category Best Judges to Win European Wine Blog Award.
@LettieTeague Yeah, I know, he's pompous, but look at it this way, he makes you seem knowledgeable!
@JayMcInerney Yeah, I know, she's dull, but look at it this way, she makes you seem knowledgeable!
@GaryV Sure, I do remember your grandfather. Madman Muntz! Shame you don't have his class.
@HuckleberryJackson Just because "Matanzas" means "slaughterhouse" doesn't mean...
William Foley has announced his purchase of Wine Enthusiast magazine for $100 and a Fred Furth bobblehead doll.
@WilliamFoley Oh, well, easy mistake to make. He's the same size as a bobblehead doll.
@HuckleberryJackson Suggested brands to buy and ruin--Caymus, Silver Oak, Steve Heimoff.
@HuckleberryJackson Sorry, hadn't heard about STEVE! Congrats. "Heimoff" means "homeless" in German.
@SteveH Really? As in "Heimoff to see the Wizard?" Loved the "Lollipop Guild!"
@JayMcInerney Rupert called. Wants you to write expose of Free Radicals in Wine. Excoriate the liberal bastards!!!
@JayMcInerney Means "denounce"
27 comments:
- Thomas said...
Until now, I never noticed that Tweets have the ring of a Jack E Leonard routine.
- August 17, 2010 at 8:38 AM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
I had Henny Youngman in mind, but Jack E. works just fine. He was more of an insult comic.
If you think about it, it's also a little Bob Newhart, where you only hear one side of a phone conversation.
I always wonder, what sort of a sad interior life does one have to have to spend more than thirty seconds a day on Twitter?
Ah, I'm just an old fart.
- August 17, 2010 at 8:50 AM
@JoseMeister Luv new bit. Gud gig 4 u. But plz no STEVE! gags. Huck no like.
@BioD. If minerals get into wine, what makes you think that cowshit doesn't?
- August 17, 2010 at 8:59 AM
- abc said...
I like both twitter and my sad interior life. Heck, I even replaced the fork with a picture.
- August 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
@PuffDaddy No minerals in wine, that's tartrates. So U no
@TweetDaddy Huck too busy ruining brands to read HMW. Mind somewhere floating down Mississippi.
Amy Love,
Replaced the fork with a photo? Well, it's about tine.
- August 17, 2010 at 9:15 AM
Tweet this post twice and call me in the morning.
- August 17, 2010 at 9:36 AM
- August 17, 2010 at 3:04 PM
- Thomas said...
The way I like to look at it: we aren't old farts; we are jaded adults who have gone through enough "next best technology to God" in our lives that we see through the hype and the commercial utility that is built into every so-called advance.
That, and we also see that Twitter is a step above grunting...
- August 18, 2010 at 5:52 AM
@Thomas In the year + since I have started tweeting, I have managed about 200 tweets. Some of them have even risen about the banal.
Most have run about 600 words and been rejected. So, I post them here with Jose or over at STEVE!
- August 18, 2010 at 6:41 AM
- Thomas said...
Tweet Daddy,
600 words!
The 21st century considers that either a chatterbox or a windbag...
- August 18, 2010 at 7:41 AM
- Samantha Dugan said...
I just can't tweet, (too wordy like Mr. Daddy there) and I have a hard time even trying to read tweets, it's like a whole other language and I have a hard enough time with this one. It all seems so insincere, feels like someone is burping comments...I'm gonna just hang out downwind.
- August 18, 2010 at 8:27 AM
- Ron Washam said...
Hey Gang,
Well, predictably, my post has been all over Twitter. I intentionally didn't use the Twitter "language" because, aside from giving the piece a ring of authenticity, it wouldn't contribute to the comedy.
There's nothing wrong with Twitter. It's a useful tool for marketing and communicating. It's just not useful in actual human discourse, which is all I care about. It seems to be used either to promote the Tweeter (I prefer Twit) or for things utterly mundane. I don't care about either.
It is, however, a lovely platform for comedy. I made this post as "inside" as I could--my wife told me she didn't understand it at all. Twitter, like FaceBook, creates the fantasy of a world where people pay attention to what you have to say when in fact they're tuning you out. Just like a wine blog. And it creates the illusion that you're connected to people more famous and more important than you are. That it's successful and popular demonstrates, once again, how easy it is to manipulate people. Twitter is constant subliminal, and not so subliminal, advertising. George Orwell would have had a field day with it.
My Gorgeous Samantha,
It's hard, as you point out, to be sincere in 140 characters. Imagine how our love would be if we'd written in 140 character letters. Twitter isn't about sincerity, or about anything human at all. But it will be with us until the next new phenomenon comes along.
If only wine blogging would vanish...
I love you!
- August 18, 2010 at 9:04 AM
- abc said...
So I get to defend twitter?
But this: It's just not useful in actual human discourse, which is all I care about.
I disagree. I think when used well twitter is a conversation. But in order for it to work that way, one has to be engaged. I asked one night for restaurant advice on a Sunday night. I got 15-20 replies, with some very good suggestions. I replied to a few and had "conversations" about some of the suggestions.
Now that may not be what you enjoy, but it is discourse. And I could give many more examples like yesterday's pie query.
It is like blogging or any other form of communication really. Some tweet well, some do not.
- August 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM
- Sip with Me! said...
I too have many fine examples of conversations I've had on Twitter, but better yet is how we can engage with people we have things in common with and then when we meet in person, it's like we're already friends. Have made many great wine friends via the twitter machine. Can't feel much more connected than that. It's easy to put down what we don't truly understand.
- August 18, 2010 at 9:46 AM
- Charlie Olken aka Tweet Daddy said...
I have about 400 followers on the twitbox. I have posted about 250 twitterings over there. I have received fifty total responses.
As the inestimable ABC has just said. Some twitter well and some do not. Oh well. I suppose I will keep at it although I am not sure why.
- August 18, 2010 at 9:47 AM
- Thomas said...
There are conversations and there are conversations--not all are meaningful.
Sip with Me,
Isn't it possible to understand something and to not accept it too?
I believe that Ron's description of Twitter is closer to reality than the reality of a Twitter conversation. In fact, I go so far as to claim that these so-called social networking devices are separating rather than joining us, as we selectively converse with those whose opinions match with ours, gaining no alternative world view and slowly closing our minds.
You could say that I feel that way because I don't understand the medium, but you'd have to argue with the fact that I have been in the communications medium for most of my adult life. It has been quite a study in the manipulation of humans, as Ron points out.
- August 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM
- Ron Washam said...
Amy Love,
Well, perhaps I should have said "meaningful" human discourse. And, yes, by definition it is discourse.
I suspect it's not how well you Tweet, but how often. And for what purpose. It's just not for me. I'm dull. I rarely troll for restaurant recommendations or query about pies. My brain is too filled with chatter as it is. I have many voices in there all talking to me at once. I mostly converse with them.
Tamara Darling,
No, it's actually hard to effectively put down things we don't understand. Perhaps I've been ineffective.
Twitter has millions and millions of fans. I have eight. That says it all.
Folks who use Twitter and FaceBook have hundreds of "Friends" and "Followers," even thousands, some millions. Poor me, I only have a handful of friends, and no followers. I'm so lonely.
I dislike Twitter. But don't get me wrong. I don't dislike people who use Twitter. Nor do I think them all fools. But it sure would be hard to have this dialogue using Twitter. Which may be the point entirely.
- August 18, 2010 at 10:15 AM
- Ron Washam said...
I'm actually just bitter because no one has started a HoseMaster of Wine Fan Club on FaceBook.
Unbelievable oversight.
- August 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM
- 1WineDude said...
@HMW LOL ur twts r the shiz bro ROFLMAO
- August 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM
- pgrant8258 said...
I'm with you on this tweet thing, but I guess it serves a useful purpose for some. Take my GF....please.
If I'm not mistaken, Henny Youngman appeared on both the Match Game and Hollywood Squares. How many people can say they've done that?
- August 19, 2010 at 3:11 AM
- Puff Daddy said...
Now, I know why I don't tweet.
What the hell's a "shizbro"?
- August 19, 2010 at 8:46 AM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
Puff Daddy,
He's YOUR son. Not my fault you raised such an inarticulate Dude-- fershizzle.
I do know ROFLMAO stands for Respect Our Fearless Leader, MAO and is some sort of Communist Chinese terrorist group.
- August 19, 2010 at 8:57 AM
- Charlie Olken aka Puff Daddy said...
As for my son, you are responsible for that. You spawned him when you nicknamed me Puff Daddy, and he repeated it on another website where I had posted back in the early days of my blog-chasing.
I had some positive things to say about the young bloggers who, I think, will, sooner or later, replace my generation of writers. JoeDude, playing off the Daddy thing that you created and I seem to like, made a comment about not minding if I were his journalism daddy or something like that.
When I finally met him at the Winewriters' Symposium, we got to drinking (quel surprise, eh?) and got to joking about the name and his use of it. That was when I adopted him as my journalistic son.
But, if he keeps saying things like "shizbro", I may need to reconsider.
- August 19, 2010 at 9:58 AM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
Puff Daddy,
OH, so it's MY fault you were taken in by a young grifter after your fame and prestige to use for his own gain. Sure, go ahead and believe that.
And, well, "Puff Daddy" was just the perfect nickname, I thought. Seems to have stuck anyway.
- August 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM
- Mutineer Magazine said...
We can't wait for you to get our next issue, either. Not gonna lie, it is pretty epic!
- August 19, 2010 at 1:18 PM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
Nice spam job, Mutineer.
"...pretty epic." Yeah, that should attract your core reading audience. Frat boys with reading disabilities.
- August 19, 2010 at 6:30 PM
- Matt Mauldin said...
The William Foley/Wine Enthusiast one was quite funny.
- August 20, 2010 at 9:37 PM


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Devex needed a new print or packaging design and created a contest on 99designs.
A winner was selected from 11 designs submitted by 2 freelance designers.
Devex - SmartMine - http://www.devexmining.com
Devex' focus is the supply of the best management and optimization tools for accessing our natural resources in a sustaintable and profitable fashion, always complying with the highest standards of ethics, social responsibility, transparency and safety. As for most natural resources industries, the key for a successful mining operation is the continuous, pro-active management of costs, risks and uncertainties, ensuring timely delivery of the products within the specifications established by the customers. Hence, Devex responds to the daily challenges of the mining industry through establishing a partnership with its clients and focusing on the conversion of operational information into intelligence for managerial decision-making. The end-product is not only a comprehensive visibility environment for the entire mine value chain, but also a practical mechanism to allow process optimization and market-oriented mine production scheduling.
Our clients are the mining companies. Companies that extract natural resources like iron, gold, diamonds, etc. Our clients are international players as Vale, Kinross, AngloGold, Yamana.
Our audience for this specific demand are employers and corporate of mining sector. This image will be used at our product brochure.
Our system has PAS - Proximity Alarm System - The objectives of PAS is to alert the operator of mine equipment (which are very large and do not allow full visibility of the area that range), to avoid accidents with other vehicles and people that may be in the area. We would like to revitalize our image representative of this system.
The idea is to show the region that the driver has no visibility, and demonstrate that our system is able to warn about the proximity of other vehicles (indicating the range area range coverage by PAS) and avoid accidents
We would like a simulation using a big truck (off road) in a mine, showing through the a track color the range of the driver's vision (simulating that does not cover all the area around) and a small vehicle (patrol) and a person inside this area. Another band of color that shows the range of our system simulating be giving the alarm to the truck, indicating the proximity of those.
There are antennas on the front and back of the equipment and tags on the side, that make those alarms.
The attached images help you understand the process, but are drawn schematically. I want something more real. The first indicates the range of our system, and the second exemplify the area where the driver has no visibility.
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Light heavyweight Seanie Monaghan (13-0, 8 KOs) will return to ring action on June 14 at the Roseland Ballroom in New York City when he takes on Romaro Johnson (11-6-1, 6 KOs) in a contest scheduled for 10 rounds.
Monaghan was last in action on March 17 when he won a unanimous decision against the durable Eric Watkins on the undercard of the Sergio Martinez/Matthew Macklin middleweight fight.
After that victory, the Long Island native took a much-needed break from the ring and is now ready to get back into action. The Irish Voice caught up with Monaghan to see how he feels about headlining the Broadway Boxing Card.
"It is exciting as it is a step up to my first 10-rounder," said Monaghan.
"I just found out I will be fighting Romaro Johnson. He has gone 12 rounds before and I have heard he is very strong."
Monaghan went on to say that he and trainer Joe Higgins have stepped up training for this assignment, ramping up the number of sparring rounds and undertaking track sessions three times a week to make sure the 30-year-old will be ready for the challenge.
"I have been sparring with Will Rosinsky and Curtis Stevens, who is a very experienced guy," added Monaghan.
Monaghan has also been working on his speed with amateur boxer Patrick Day, who is rated one of the top 152-pounders in the country.
Though Monaghan is still a free agent, he has a very good working relationship with promoter Lou DiBella. The fighter is hugely popular and brings an army of fans out every time he fights.
There has been some speculation that Monaghan, whose father Davy hails from Navan, Co. Meath, would head to Ireland later in the summer to challenge for the Irish light heavyweight belt, currently held by Paddy McDonagh.
"If everything went my way I would like to fight someone in Ireland in August," said Monaghan, who added that if the right deal could be done to make the trip worthwhile he would love to go.
"It is a dream of mine to win the Irish title," added Monahan, who added that he felt he would be very confident of doing so if a fight could be arranged.
He went on to say that with his family in Navan and his manager P.J. Kavanagh's relations from Kildare, his team would be able to sell tickets on the other side of the Atlantic.
However, Monaghan and Kavanagh have spoken to Irish promoter Brian Peters about the possibility of a fight in Ireland, but Peters has told them that the economic downturn there has had a very negative effect on the professional boxing scene there. As much as he would like to fight in Ireland, the numbers aren't adding up at the moment.
In the meantime, Monaghan aims to win and win well on June 14, as he feels he did not perform to his potential on March 17.
"To be honest with you, we weren't happy with the last fight. This guy here (Johnson), if it goes 10 rounds and I get the win I'll be happy, but if it goes one round I'll be even happier."
For tickets to the latest installment of Broadway Boxing, call DiBella Entertainment at (212) 947-2577.
In other news, lightweight Jamie Kavanagh (9-0-1) fights this Saturday night in Cancun Mexico on the Sergio Thompson/Juan Ramon Solis undercard. The Dubliner is scheduled to fight in a six round contest against an unnamed opponent.
Kavanagh was slated to fight in Las Vegas last Saturday night on the undercard of the light welterweight rematch between Amir Khan and Lamont Peterson, but that card was cancelled when Peterson tested positive for a banned substance.
Luckily for Kavanagh, who trains out of the Wild Card Gym in Los Angeles under the tutelage of Freddie Roach, getting a place on this weekend's promotion means that his training camp will not go to waste.
Finally, light welterweight Danny O'Connor (16-1) headlines a card this Thursday night at the Boston House of Blues when he takes on Daniel Sostre (11-5-1, 4 KOs) in a contest scheduled for 10 rounds. Tickets are available from www.livenation.com and the House of Blues Box office.


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Fasybrownortho necesitaba un nuevo diseño de logotipo y lanzó un concurso de diseño en 99designs.
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We are an orthodontic practice consisting of a male and two female orthodontists. We are located in a mid-size Massachusetts coastal community. We provide braces and other orthodontic appliances for children and adults. We practice orthodontics for the satisfaction of creating beautiful smiles. Orthodontics is a dental specialty that enables us to combine our scientific knowledge and artistic sensibilities. We love what we do!
Our target audience is parents with young and teenage children and young adults. Our target audience values a healthy and beautiful smile and are finacially able to afford treatment.
-The logo should have 2 different colors. The word Brown should be a brown color and the other lettering should be a differnt color.
- Any additional colors used should blend with the 2 lettering colors.
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- We want to project caring, competence and cutting edge technology.
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Shift is the collectable card game where you only need to collect one card! Let your spirit burn as you shift gears towards victory!
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Bisons rally to finish eighth in Mission Inn Collegiate
Oct. 9, 2005
Lipscomb's Bisons golf team rallied in the second and third rounds to finish eighth in the Mission Inn Collegiate Classic at at Howey-In-The -Hills, Fla.
The Bisons shot rounds of 299, 286 and 287 for a three-day total of 872, 20 over par on the par-71 course.
Parker Beck led the way for the Bisons tying for 14th with a three-day total of 213 (72-70-71).
Old Dominion won the tournament with a score of 845, seven under par.


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Importers say buyers should expect adequate fall papaya volume.
Fall supplies of Belize papayas should be consistent, said Peter Leifermann, director of sales and fruit procurement for Brooks Tropicals LLC, Homestead, Fla.
Liefermann and other shippers say the fruit represents a growth item in retail stores.
He said Brooks is enjoying a record year with its Caribbean Red-labeled variety and is seeing high demand from retailers promoting the fruit through aggressive merchandising.
"Production is increasing every month of the year," Leifermann said. "We expect it to continue well through the fall and into the winter. There will be multiple opportunities for retailers to promote papaya throughout the fall."
While Brooks" growers send fruit throughout the year, supplies are heaviest July through March.
Because of drier weather, the natural variations in production during lower-producing summer months typically don"t exceed volume declines of 10%, Leifermann said.
Brooks expects to increase production and, this coming year, ship 2 million 32-pound cartons, similar to last season, Leifermann said.
Brooks also markets papayas under its Caribbean Sunrise label.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture reported Sept. 4 that 35- to 40-pound cartons of Mexican maradols crossing through Texas were selling for $22-$23 in variable conditions.
For Belize and Guatemala product arriving through south Florida ports, the USDA on Sept. 4 reported cartons of 30- to 35-pound cartons of tainung variety 8s-12s selling for $15, and 13s-15s fetching $14-$15.
Central American Produce Inc., Pompano Beach, Fla., began importing papayas from Guatemala this fall.
Michael Warren, president, said supplies in late summer and early fall were lower, but that"s a part of the normal gap that occurs between plantings.
"As they increase plantings being harvested, there won"t be that big a gap between cycles because they"re preparing more land," he said. "There will definitely be promotable supplies but later in the season. The quality has been great."
Warren said buyers can expect bigger supplies from Central American Produce to begin in November.
Southern Specialties Inc., Pompano Beach, which ships fruit throughout the year, imports tainung and golden variety papayas from Belize and Guatemala.
Charlie Eagle, vice president of business development, said the fruit generally ships with fewer blemishes, and he is seeing higher consumer interest.
"We have seen significant growth for the larger papaya varieties," Eagle said. "We don"t think papaya sales will overtake mango sales, but we"ve seen growth in the papaya category as people become more familiar with the fruit. We are experiencing year-over-year growth in that category."


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Lady Raiders Battle St. John's in First Round of NCAA Women's Championship
It took them five years, but the Texas Tech Lady Raider basketball team is headed back to the NCAA Championship. Tech was selected as the No. 8 seed in the Spokane region of the 2011 NCAA Women's Championship.
The No. 8 seeded Lady Raiders will battle No. 9 seeded St. John's in a first round tournament game tomorrow, March 19th at 3p.m. CDT on ESPN2. Should the Lady Raiders win their opening round game they'll face the winner of the matchup between No. 1 seed Stanford and No. 16 seed. The second round game would be Monday the 21st at 8:30 p.m. CDT.
This will be the first meeting between the two teams in school history. The Red Storm enters the game at 21-10 on the season and finished in a tie for 7th place in the Big East at 9-7. St. John's also has two players scoring over 12 points per game.
This is the first appearance in the NCAA Women's Championship for Head Coach Kristy Curry at Tech. She appeared in 7 NCAA Women's Championships while she was the head coach at Purdue, including being the runner up in the 2000-2001 season. Curry made the NCAA Tournament every year she was at Purdue.


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A&E Places 'Duck Dynasty' Star Phil Robertson On 'Indefinite Hiatus' Following Homophobic Comments
A&E has placed Phil Robertson on indefinite hiatus following his homophobic statements to GQ.
"We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson's comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty. His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. The network has placed Phil under hiatus from filming indefinitely."
What do you think of A&E's move, Instincters?
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I don't know this man. I don't watch this show & I have not read his full interview in GQ, but what I have read & heard in blog postings & news shows is nothing short of ignorant. His comments about gay sex being sinful & comparing it to bestiality & his views on black people being happy before the civil rights movement are ignorant. He may well be a product of his environment & has most likely had only a small first hand exposure to gay people & black people in his life. When you are told your whole life, by your parents, teachers, churches & other authority figures that something is bad, wrong, or sinful, you are likely to adopt that line of thinking. No matter how incorrect it is. It doesn't necessarily mean that he is a bad person, but his comments prove that he is misguided at best & at worst homophobic & racist & ignorant. He is entitled to his opinion, even if it is wrong, but if you choose to make statements like this on the world stage, then you should be prepared for other people to exercise their rights to their opinions too. His words have shed new light on an important discussion that includes free speech, homophobia, racism & the state of people's priorities in this country. I hope that this man seriously explores why his remarks are creating such controversy & that he examines those reasons & hopefully learns something from this. A&E have done the right thing & at great risk to themselves. Homophobia & racism should not be tolerated & people MUST be educated on that. If you excuse this man's comments & views, you are by & large supporting his comments & views. You are entitled to your opinion too, even if you are wrong.
The USA needs to lead the world in educating people that gay people are born gay & that we are not perverts, or abominations, or going against God's plan. If God is the creator, then he created all of us "in his likeness". I did not choose to be gay. I was not abused as a child, or raised by an overbearing mother. My parents are still married & somewhat religious. I tried so hard to live a "straight life" to please other people, but it was a lie. Lying is one of the 10 major sins isn't it? I am & have always been gay & I am proud of who I am & that includes my gayness. This cycle of hatred, fear & misinformation needs to end. We are all the same & we should all aim to be the best that we can be, regardless of our gender, sexuality, skin color, or religious beliefs. I am gay & I am good. In fact, I am awesome. You be awesome too.
Dumb crap like this and cry babies is why we can't even say a prayer in schools anymore. Everybody is scared they are going to make somebody mad who cares get over it. He stated his opinion just like everyone is doing here so don't be a hypocrite ! The American people are scared of the truth bc it may cause less views or less votes on a person that's why America is falling to crap with thugs, drugs, etc. so all you cry babies crying about it believe in abortion? Prolly not but since he's on a tv show lets all blow it out of proportion bc you have nothing better to do and apparently never read your bible!! And a&e tried to pull the prayer out of the show duck dynasty needs to find someone else to air their show!!!
Actually, prayer is banned in public schools because our government is secular. And I have read the bible. That is the number one reason why I am an atheist. I wish more people would read it so that if they possess reason enough to get over their fear, they too, can be free of the lies of religion.
A perfect place and time to explain what is really going on here. The First Amendment does not apply, as the government is not involved in either promoting or suppression of free speech. He was not denied his opportunity to express himself, as the magazine published what he said. He would have a complaint if they had interviewed him, and then gone on to distort or censor his views. He placed these views in his interview because he wanted them publicized. The next issue is his "employment" at A&E. As an employer, A&E has the right to hire or fire an employee based on that person's public statements. Statements which offend A&E reflect badly on them, IN THEIR OPINION, and for this reason they are free to sever their ties with the speaker. If the speaker has an employment contract, that contract would determine the relative rights of the speaker and employer. Otherwise, employment at will is the law in almost all states, and the employer can sever the relationship with the employee at any time for any reason.
so then it is ok for your employer, or even our government to hold you accountable for everything you say and do on and off the clock? really? If we're going to say that A&E has a right to suspend Phil as their "employee" for going against their policy regarding a statement he made in an interview with a magazine NOT as a representative of A&E, but as a representative of the Robertson family, of himself, then it's ok for our government or your employer to fire you because you make a statement they disagree with at a restaurant or in your living room? Is that where we want to go as a nation? Whether we agree or disagree with his opinion, the freedom to have one, AND express is makes this nation great. We have gotten so lost in this time of political correctness that we are in grave danger of losing the very rights that made us in the first place. Why is it ok for a liberal to offend a conservative, a gay or lesbian to attack someone who doesn't believe in their cause, call them bigots, homophobes and other slurs, an atheist to attack a Christian and want to remove everything that represents what they hold dear but none of those people have a right to even speak an opinion anymore without fear of losing their job or being ostracized? Be careful what you ask for, freedoms are precious. Losing them is costly.
Well that was quite the rant.. On some points I agree, however....free speech does not mean it comes w/o consequence. You can say anything you like you just can't expect to say it w/o retribution.
And gays,athiests,blacks etc have had to keep quiet for many years not because they would 'lose their job' but because they could be killed just for voicing their opinion.
A&E is a corporation who pays these fools money to film them. They have a right to be represented in a way that suits them.... and as far as rights go...we lost all our rights a long time ago...circa 80's with drug testing for employment.
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Seriously? Duhhh, saying it to millions on TV is different, he is not his living room, he is in maybe 100,000 living rooms. it's A&E's channel, not his sidewalk soap box. I'm sure there are terms he agreed to up front. Every employer has them. And explain to me how the government is involved? I believe this is private enterprise.
LGBT is not a cause. They are not trying to convince you to become gay. They are seeking their inalienable right to be treated equally. If anything is apparent from this, it is that there are people very publicly attacking them. When you spew hate speak at an entire segment of the population, you are a bigot.
Athiests don't attack Christians, they ignore them. Atheism is to religion what off is to a radio. You can believe whatever you want, just don't dictate to me what I have to believe. You can't pass laws that force me to adhere to your values.
I've never seen this show nor am I christian, and I am college educated as well. I feel that this man did nothing wrong, merely stating his own beliefs, and should not be shunned for it. If he's against homosexuality, he has every right to say so, just as much as the people for it. To me, this is just a cultural difference and people hate to hear different points of view. If this man was african and said he didn't like homosexuality because it was against his tribal religion, you would all be okay with it, but since its christianity, you feel the need to object to what he is saying as false and outdated. He can say whatever he wants and you're certainly never going to change how he thinks, so you would have been better off to just let it go and ignore his statements if you don't agree with them. Now, for stating this, don't think I'm ignorant, as I do have gay family members and friends and what I currently feel is that LGBT people feel they have the same sense of "entitlement" and that they're "owed" something, much like african americans from the 70s-90s. You want to be treated equally, but refuse to treat others with the same respect for personal choices as you do. Now, I'm sure my words will get misconstrued that being gay is a choice, I never stated that, I merely said this man is entitled to his own opinions in the same way that everyone else is. If you want to be treated equally and be given respect, then give respect to other peoples opinions as well, because it just makes you sound like a fool that believes everyone should believe what you do. Diversity and cultural differences is what makes the world go round. Don't put false blame on a man for speaking his own thoughts and mind.
The pope does on a daily basis, what's the difference? If someone in the exact same situation was saying they were for homosexuality, he would have been entitled to his own opinion and no one would have said a thing. Since he said he was against it, he is being persecuted? Seems like a hypocitical standpoint from someone saying they are for something. He's a human being, he's as much entitled as you and I to speak his own mind freely, whether you like his opinion or not.
In no way does it reflect poorly on his employer. It makes his employer look like biased media propaghanda as usual. Which, after all, that's all the media is anyhow. Did you even see the interview? After stating that, he also went on to say that its not his business to judge people, and that he wasn't, just that it was his own personal opinion. By being a personal opinion it in absolutely no way shows that A&E felt the same way as him. He can say whatever he wants.
I call bullshit. So you say that you know being gay is not a choice. So I can't choice to be straight or gay anymore than I can choose the color of my skin. If he had made a remark about a certain race or even religion (remember Mel Gibson?), people would have lost their shit! But because it was a homophobic comment people are treating like it's religious persecution. You know what, at my job I can't go around using the f bomb. Am I having my freedom of speech ripped away? No. The people that pay me don't want me to make an ass of them. I think it is totally fine that a company that didn't want to be associated with homophobia and stopped paying someone millions of dollars and fame to spout of ignorant, hateful comments about it. They aren't saying he can't believe that, they just don't want to support that thinking. And one more thing, I am a gay female and have never once felt entitled. Do I think that I should be able to marry my girlfriend just as you would? Yes of course, but that is not entitlement, that is equal rights.
As for your marks about religion, apparently you haven't seen how islamics have been treated the last decade, as they are widely and freely discriminated against daily without anyone batting an eyelash at it. I also didn't say anything about freedom of speech so that has no say in this argument. What I stated as that he is free to think and believe whatever he wants. If he thinks homosexuality is wrong, that's his opinion, and he shouldn't have your opinion shoved down his throat, just like how he doesn't push his religion down yours. Also, a job doesn't need any reason to fire anyone, that's law, so you saying your statement about "f bombs" also holds no value, as you can get fired for doing nothing wrong and its 100% legal. Also, this is not about gay rights or gay marriage, I for one couldn't care less if you and your girlfriend get married, but that's not what this is about. Its about a man saying that he thinks something is wrong in his opinion. Saying that you personally believe something is morally wrong for yourself is not descrimination or the overly used word "homophobia." He's not afraid of gay people, as that word implies. I feel that this entire incident is ridiculous, the mans allowed to have his own viewpoint the same as everyone else, whether other people agree with it or not. Oh, and as for racism, its pretty much the same thing...its okay to make racist or descriminating remarks about your own subculture, but when someone outside of it says anything, you pull the race/sex/orientation/religion card like we're not allowed to respond because it offends you. Oh and I can drop f bombs at work, so fuck you becky.
I agree with you completely this is a matter of free speech but most people are too dumb to see it. I had to laugh at that one asshole saying your obviously some "college educated twit" when your definitely intelligent i can tell that just by your thoughts and the way you spoke and you didnt get angry or aggressive so its obvious that guy is a moron whos just pissed off because youre smarter than he will ever be lol
Two thoughts about this issue. First, he absolutely has every right to say he does not support the gay lifestyle but when you equate it in the same article with bestiality the whole statement takes on a very nasty and hateful tone. Secondly and more importantly, I believe myself to be a good Christian but I don't believe any sensible person can read the whole bible and take it all literally. It is, quite frankly, one of the most violent books you will ever read. It approves of slavery, killing your spouse when necessary, plural marriage, genocide and I could go and on. You can't cherry pick certain parts of the book to hold up as the law without looking at the entire context and saying intelligently, is this really what Jesus would do. I always remember that during the Civil War, some of the greatest supporters of the southern cause were the clergy because they held the bible up as all the approval they need to continue slavery. And, because of that, the last great Civil Rights cause in this nation is the cause of gay and lesbian rights.
There is a lot of "Freedom of Speech"-talk here. I think this should change to "Freedom of Speech without offending anyone". Because at this moment any nazi, facist, racist or religious idiot can say whatever they want just hiding behind Freedom of Speech. In my personal opinion I think A&E did the right thing.
Tommy there is no such thing as "free speech only if it doesnt offend someone" ALL free speech is bound to offend SOME ONE out there in one way or another.... and this whole thing is ridiculous i agree with Double J on pretty much every single point he made. This man was simply expressing HIS OWN THOUGHTS on the matter, NOT saying that it shouldnt be allowed and gay people should die or something ridiculous like theyre playing it up as. So honestly you saying there shouldnt be free speech if it offends someone is technically being a nazi or fascist your self you moron. This is America were supposed to be able to express our thoughts on certain subjects and all of you are getting butt hurt about something totally stupid and retarded! This is just a matter of defending free speech in my mind, i dont even watch the show cuz i always thought they were dumb hill billies but im taking their side on this because its defending free speech! Speaking your mind while being polite is COMPLETELY different then being a homophobe ranting a "hate speech" it disguists me that people want to basically ban and abolish the first ammendment that were supposed to be guarenteed just because TV is saying what he said was "wrong" and people are agreeing with A&E like this guy is a piece of garbage, its disguisting. If you dont think people should be able to speak their minds and still be consideratewhile doing it by just expressing opinion (because i agree you dont need to be a total asshole about it calling gay people fags and shit like that) and its obvious HE DIDNT DO THAT! Every one saying that he deserves what happened to him and hes a piece of shit etc. etc. are obviously too blind to see this is alot bigger than just "homophobia" and "hate speeches" its television and the media in general conditioning you to give up free speech and make you get used to not being able to speak your mind in fear of persecution!
thats gay.....oh excuse my filter it does not always work just like some poor backwoods duck calling millionaire.Freedom of speech where? Well let me get started you have a bunch of bible thumpers harping about the bible all the time... yeah I said because I am from the bible belt. so the man said something so get over it every one got over Paula Deen calling someone tjhe N word thats way worse than talking about gay people..... so they are gay they want to get married /// Hell let em... what everyone knows once you get married you dont start fucking llike rabbits.... A&E I guess you are wanting to start losing money because thats what is fixing to happen to your tv show right.... stop being so deragatory .... so everyone doesnt have a filter comes in head and then out mouth get the hell over it... i HAVE GAY FRIENDS AND THEY PROB THINK THE SAME THING....everyone needs to stop trying to use the freedom of speech theory because no we do not have one.....hell everyone forgave Rosie Odoneil for all her shit .... GIT OVER IT
It's funny how everyone is up in arms talking about free speech, amendment rights and all that but, you all fail to realize that he is being paid by A&E. Therefore making him an employee of A&E. If you say or do something against your employers policy, they have every right to take action. I'm sure that somewhere in their contract a clause that states that they can take action when one of these hillbillies do or say something stupid. It's to be expected. So when all of you morons that are crying foul to this, try doing something that's against your employers best interest and see how quick you get your pink slip. He was only suspended from being filmed.
I am gay and this whole issue is stupid! The man is entitled to believe and say what ever he wants. Big deal get over it. Really would've thought the guy community had thicker skin by now. Not all Christians are hypocritical bigoted fag bashers! We don't like being lumped into stereotypes so why do the toffee asses on both sides make the most noise? Grow up America!
You're gay? Lol okay so I guess you don't mind Phil making this statement: "They're full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, God-haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless. They invent ways of doing evil." So since I should get over it, I'll come from your view point and say that since you're gay, you're a god-hater, arrogant, insolent, etc. But you said we should get over it, so that comment shouldn't offend you.
The pope has more sense than the one-digit IQ Phil. The POPE said that he would never make anti-gay statements because they are good people. He said no one had the right to condemn a person to hell because they love someone.
Gays are not forcing their beliefs down your throat. They want equality. If you defend this guy for spewing hate, then we should have some KKK members join the show. Because it's the same damn thing. You can't discriminate against a person for their beliefs or race. Phil has a right to believe what he wants. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But to spew hate against a group of good people? That's not Christian.
I do like how so many people are bringing the law into this. A&E is not suing him or anything. Yes he has a right to say what he wants, and yes people have the freedom to change the channel if they see something they dont want on it. And guess who has the choice on what to put on their channel. Law has nothing to do with it, A&E simply doesnt want to support what he said and they have all the freedom to choose to take him off of their channel. If he wants a show again he can find a channel that will choose to support him. You talk of him being free to say what he wants, and you forget A&E is not youtube or facebook. A&E has an owner who can choose what to air and what not to.
First of all, a company can fire you for whatever they damn well please. It's legal. Not illegal. Secondly, they aren't discriminating. You can't SPEW HATE and expect to not get a slap on the hand. Which is what Phil got. A&E doesn't support his comments he made, Phil can find another channel where he can talk all he wants. It's not discrimination-- but the comments Phil made is discrimination against good people. Saying they're god-haters and arrogant. Don't be hypocritical, thanks.
So after reading all these comments this is stupid. Your telling me BC he said what he said plus quoted from the bible proof your going to say he went over the line???? But yet its OK for every gay person on TV to flaunt their gayness and say there opinions????? I don't understand. This world is going to hell quick. So kick a man off for telling the Real truth. If you r that offended then don't watch the friggen show. Watch all the shows that promote being gay n keep to your own. But for the one that believe in the truth of the bible leave us alone and stop complaining when we bring it up and back it up with scripture. U r only offended BC its not what u want to hear.
Dude your comments tells me your a small town small minded fool. People can say what they want when they want. Nothing is more truth than what anyone else says. We all have our opinions and are entitled to them just like the show is entitled not to support him and that is their truth. Bible bashing fools are just that fools and you're comments shows you are just the same. Gay or straight we are all people and are entitled to do what we want with our lives and live them as we please. If you are going to quote the bible then you better be sure to follow it in it's entirety and not just PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT'S CONVENIENT to push your narrow views.
What you call sin, others do not. Stop trying to force people to live by your ancient and hypocritical religious views based on outdated cultural views of 2000 years ago. We don't stone people to death for eating shellfish, having a period, or marrying outside of their race. Get a life and catch up!
People have there own opinions and that is his, don't condem him for his beliefs. I am a straight man but I don't care who a person is with as long as there happy who cares. The gay and lesbian comunity try to change peoples minds, just stop pressuring people to change to suit your ways. Be who you are and be proud of it.
The LGBT community in no way is trying to change peoples minds. The LGBT community is simply trying to bring an end to vocal harmful words/actions. Look at what happened during the civil rights movement. The women's equal rights movement. Love vs. Virginia. Its all about bringing bigotry to the fore front and trying to bring about peace, Love, respect, and acceptance. People are allowed to believe and feel the way they want. But in no way is it right or moral to speak such harmful words that could and have in site violence.
No one is trying to change his mind or anyone's mind. What the LGBT community is trying to change is the hate and harmfull remarks about the LGBT community. It's no different is he would have made a comment about an Asian or a black person. Hate is hate no matter what your skin color or sexual orientation.
And as a celebrity and a public figure. You have an obligation to not only represent yourself but that show, network and brand you are a part of. Feel free to have your own opinions but when you are able to influence others (especially with negative remarks) you should keep those opinions out of the media.
he has a right to say exactly how he feels or what he believes... having said that I am happy when garbage like that is brought into the light.. it shows that ignorance and intolerance to difference still exists in this country... funny how Christian conservatives are the first to claim what they say and do are in the name of jesus their savoir yet judge people in the harshest ways... it was Jesus the man they claim to do his bidding for that says let the least of you without sin to cast the first stone... that the only judge is the farther.. if Jesus was on earth today it's the Christian right that would label him crazy and fascist liberal ..you know like the pope who tries to live his life aa closely to jesus's teachings. i can say that as a gay man i have no desire for sex with animals, nor am I a drunk or pedophile, or muderer, or thief....
Sorry, TJB, but nearly every species on the planet has some percentage of same sex individuals. It IS natural. It is just not the norm. Neither is left-handedness, red hair, or brilliant intelligence. So if you believe in God, just remember....God created them all. Also, belief in God is just that....a belief. Belief does not make reality. It just makes belief. There have been thousands of gods over the millenia. Even Christians have hundreds of different beliefs about God. None are true....they are just beliefs. And for those who are believers in their own Christian God, they are Atheists regarding all the other gods.
Unfortunately, it is. I'm gay, and I do NOT agree with this guy. But his rights to spout hate are the same as my rights to publicly support LGBT equality without fear of legal consequence. And inconvenient as it may be, it means we have to hear things we don't like or agree with from time to time. We just have to speak louder than the bigots.
My best friend is gay and I have a few other friends that are as well. I have no problem with it and I'll support the LGBT community until the end. Having said that, I happen to be a huge fan of the show and think that A&E is making a big mistake. Phil was asked a question and he answered it. Maybe a little too honestly but that was his opinion. The way I see it, if you don't like it, don't read it or watch it. Simple as that. But don't ruin it for the people that like watching the show.
He had the right to say it, but since his show is OWNED by a network, they have the right to pull the strings in any which way they would like.
In the USA you are free to say whatever you want without federal silencing, but there's no amendment protecting those in the private sector.
His opinion can be seen as a representation of the network of his show, so they suspended him. Or whatever. Idk. I don't watch it or really care. I just don't like it when people use the argument that people can say whatever they want any time they want without dealing with the potential consequences.
I am a gay man, and take offense when someone degrades anybody because of race, orientation or whatever reason they find to put another human being down. I, however, did not feel that Phil Roberston was putting any one down. He is a man with an opinion and that is all. I do not have to agree with him. It seems like he is being bashed for having an opinion that differs from others. What a boring world it is going to be when we all think a like.
It was "opinions" that led to the oppression of women and enslaving blacks. So what your saying is no one is allowed to contradict his statement? A statement he made in a national magazine about a group of people. I sshould just sit back like a good little gay boy and take it. Grow some balls buddy!
Buddy, my balls are big enough. If I remember correctly he was asked a question, "What in you mind is sinful" and so he spoke honestly and with his conviction. As a gay man my opinons differs from his, What I find disturbing is he is being criticized for expressing his thoughts if you will. I don't want to offend you by using the word opinion. When did we become a communist country where we are not allowed to express ourselves freely. Get real here, are you so weak that hearing someone say that they believe homosexuality is wrong just sends you into a turmoil. Grow up and there is nothing wrong in expressing your thoughts.
I couldn't agree more. I like some of the suggestions mentioned previously, but above all he shouldn't be smited just because of his own personal views (especially when he's been asked his opinion). Anyone who has seen the show - and therefore might even care to read GQ's article - should know just how much the men in this family like to dish out their opinion, regardless of how silly they might sound in the process. Rather than adding to the largely vanilla pot that is this country, just agree to disagree with the man and let it go. At the rate things are going, I'll be flying my American flags upside down alarmingly soon.
This is so wrong for Phil spoke the truth of God who spoke so those lost in sin could be saved as he is supposed to do he did what all Christians are to do warn the wicked so they can be saved. This channel is now in direct conflict with the word of God and they will answer and we as Christians will not sit silent for the gay agenda is to silence the truth of God and they will not stop till they are in the churches pushing thier sin. God will not be mocked and those who sit silent to this channel doing this are conformed to the world to please the world . We are to tell those lost in sin so they may be saved and not go into eternity lost.
1. A network does not answer to God. People answer to God.
2. The only "gay agenda" is to stop being persecuted by people misguided enough to believe it is their duty to play God, judging and condemning in His name.
3. Christ's mandate to those who seek Him is to LOVE. Try it sometime. You might find it's a bit easier than playing Jesus Police.
God loves us so much He wants to take us out of our sin. Be it homosexuality, smoking, drugs etc..., but He loved you so much that He sent His Son to die for you. Without His Son you will spend eternity where there is weaping & gnashing of teeth. You can't have both Jesus & homosexuality, for light & darkness cannot co-exist.
I feel sad for you. I did not feel that Phil was bashing but you are. Just because I am gay does not mean that I am going to go to church to push the gay agenda as you say. It is not a contest to see how many people I can convert to being gay. I go to church because I love God and want to be the best man I can be. I pray that you come to realize that God commanded us to not judge. Let those without sin cast the first stone, so but the stone down I know you aren't perfect