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Ninja Dog
Joined: 24 Sep 2011
Posts: 5
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:07 pm
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Female Tengu wrote:
Since its a tutorial level, most enemies are just easy and the ninpo script seems to be full purpose (tutorial). So yeah, explains why you cant end this fight without using ninpo.
And my expectation is still high cauz I dont say "Hayashi sucks" all the time....
CoolBlackKnight wrote:
Maybe still better than the average action game overall, but THIS is below a Ninja Gaiden title to me.
...F'n Hayashi.
So you just want a NG2 with a "3" at the end?
The game still plays like a NG, looks like a NG and feels like a NG (cant see a big difference vy watching gameplay videos). What do you want? The same old crap from the past 5 years? Like all the COD titles (I personally cant see anymore)? Oh great. Some choices are strange (weapons in story mode), yes, but c'mon, what you just said isn't fair.
Play NG2 then, its your choice.
why not
sign me up for a NG2 without rocket and IS spam and NGB level design. The game was damn near perfect.
It doesn't "feel" like NG. It feels like NG with boat load of crap dropped on top of it. big difference.
Coolblackknight is exactly right. This is a crappy NG but an action game that is still head and shoulders better than the majority out there.
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Greater Ninja
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 164
Location: Ishtaros' Bed(She's kinky with that whip)
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:50 pm
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Female Tengu wrote:
So you just want a NG2 with a "3" at the end?
The game still plays like a NG, looks like a NG and feels like a NG (cant see a big difference by watching gameplay videos). What do you want? The same old crap from the past 5 years? Like all the COD titles (I personally cant see anymore)? Oh great. Some choices are strange (weapons in story mode), but the rest looks more interesting, at least to me, than any gameplay video or trailer from NG2.
I applaud your enthusiasm, but unfortunately, I(and
quite a few
besides me), don't share the same level you possess.
...For all the flaws(and let's not act like it didn't
have it's great moments also
) that NG 2 had, it still(after the patches / updates) was a
solid action game
(I speak of the NG 2's NA release, not the EU version of course) - No it wasn't on the level of NG Black, but nevertheless a solid game in the NA release(decaps was still in NG 1 and
sweet too back then
No, the direction Hayashi is headed down makes one damn near WANT a
with a 3 on it(and yes, I DO understand the business choices they've made for a more profitable, and greater audience)... But nevertheless as a hard core player, I personally could give two ****'s about it being "casual friendly", and/or a deep story being told in Gaiden(
not opposed
to it, just sayin').
...There's been
two releases
without a "earth-shaking" plot(and they
still sold well
... even without a decent story), but it's fine either way they go, with me - I'll enjoy a good story.
I'll be ok with it.
But see- in my world, you improve upon the former's
and not gimp the useful(or cool things - Man even worse,
double down
on the weakest parts), or tack on useless things for the sake of being able to say, "
Everyone's already seen this or that in previous Gaidens
, Team Ninja?! ...I've seen the
Izuna drop
in the others too, guys.
Now... Hayashi is to be commended for at least
something new, so no I don't begrudge him for that. But clearly it seems, the vision he holds, and the experience I've HAD over the many years with the 3D Gaidens will never cross paths it seems.
So gotcha - You like what you hear / see with this IP- that's fine. Here's what I'll do:
I'll DL any demo,
read the reviews(and I do expect them to be
, if I were to guess with
crystal ball),
rent it upon release,
play the whole campaign,
...& if it
as a purchase, I'll
get it.
But for that to happen, the irritation factor in his changes
cannot outweigh the FUN factor
for me.
Will it be better than your average "hack n slash"? Yes, no doubt. But it looks(so far, time will tell) as if it won't be a worthy successor to the former titles... So yes, He IS failing in that dept,
...But, you enjoy it nevertheless GP, as
that is all that matters
And who knows, I
may really be surprised and enjoy it
Stranger things
have been known to happen.
"I see you deny your brain its purpose... it yearns to think, but you hold it back."
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Female Tengu
Superior Ninja
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Posts: 687
Location: Germany
Gamertag: GalaxySpider PSN: GalaxySpider
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:06 am
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was a solid action game
So, and NG3 doesn't look like a solid action game to you? Ryus slashing enemies with sick combos, ninpos, artistic martial arts and fights huge rocket spamming bosses etc.
Sounds and looks like a solid action title to me.
There are lots of games where the sequel actually is not what the hardcore community wanted from the next installment of the series, but ironically this sequel generated much more income for the publisher/devs whatever. Best example herefore is Resident Evil 4 + 5. When RE4 was releases, most fans said "it's no RE anymore". And they were right.....Leon is killing countless villagers (not zombies), upgrades his weapons, uses CQC moves etc. is RE4 the best example for a Resident Evil game? No. More like a 08/15 standard generic shooter. And to me, it was such a thing. But the funny thing is: RE4 sold like crazy (not to metion RE5....).
The gaming industry will always try out new things and they DONT care for the hardcore community. RE series, as an example, died after RE: CVX (at least to me). So I'm glad that Hayashi makes something new and still kepps the original at the same tiime. I applaud him for not going the let's-make-a-totally-different-game-but-keeping-the-title direction.
And that's why I'm looking forward to NG, as a player from the hardcore communkty.
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Greater Ninja
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 164
Location: Ishtaros' Bed(She's kinky with that whip)
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:41 pm
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Female Tengu wrote:
So, and NG3 doesn't look like a solid action game to you?
Yes, when compared to most titles in the market, absolutely. No one's doubting at it won't be a solid game overall.
Hell, DMC 2 is a "solid" action game compared to other action titles(and brought some innovation to the series at the time)... But you get my point.
The question is,
"Will it be a worthy successor to the foundation Itagaki laid with the previous Gaidens?"
...That, I'm not so sure of based strictly off all the different "hands on" reports coming out, so far.
Of course, the final judge will be me when I play this game for myself, but the things I'm seeing makes me the opposite of you: LESS enthusiastic of Hayashi's vision.
And just like you said, RE "died" after a certain release for you(but for the rest, they love the new direction, as sales show)- Hayashi's Ninja Gaiden just my be the very same for me(and many others) and still sale well because of what he sees as "cool", along with "casual friendly" for greater sales(hey, I'm a capitalist, so make that money Team Ninja)
...Or not. This is his chance to shine, or his grave to dig... We'll just have to wait and see.
"I see you deny your brain its purpose... it yearns to think, but you hold it back."
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Female Tengu
Superior Ninja
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Posts: 687
Location: Germany
Gamertag: GalaxySpider PSN: GalaxySpider
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:20 am
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You will buy it anyway
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Greater Ninja
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 164
Location: Ishtaros' Bed(She's kinky with that whip)
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:05 pm
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But only IF the irritation factor
does not outweigh
the FUN factor.
"I see you deny your brain its purpose... it yearns to think, but you hold it back."
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Lesser Ninja
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
Posts: 18
Location: Minnesota
Gamertag: Gouki420
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:15 am
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I bet you the bad guy is Gamov, I wonder if you have to fight him multiple times like every boss in NG, Team ninja quit being lazy and design more bosses, are they're going to be any Greater Fiends in NG3?
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Greater Ninja
Joined: 19 Jun 2011
Posts: 208
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:03 am
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You mean the Gamov that was blown into oblivion by the Dark Dragon Blade in NG1?
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Lesser Ninja
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
Posts: 18
Location: Minnesota
Gamertag: Gouki420
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:02 pm
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People Die all the time in Ninja Gaiden and pop up like nothin happened, ei RYU, Genshin like 4 million times, all the greater fiends, obaba, the tengu brothers even return later on in the game, The DDB was destroyed so he might be able to come back besides it's like anime physics crap doesn't need to make sense lol
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Ninja Dog
Joined: 13 Apr 2009
Posts: 4
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:26 pm
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Female Tengu wrote:
You will buy it anyway
there's always blockbuster and ixtreme LT.
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Ninja Dog
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Posts: 14
Location: London
Gamertag: Blackxino
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:12 am
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Yes it's a little late but never too late.
*The game was good, definitely NG and plays like it
*I experineced bad lag or controller input delay, HOWEVER the problem was not actually NG3, I think the problem was due to the HD tv as I had the same damn problem with other games I played.
*Hard mode does feel like regular Hard mode in previous NG games. Yes it's achievable, but if you are not careful, the damages you take can kill you in no time.
*The health system is ACTUALLY balanced right! When you take several damages, your health meter gauge actually decreases in capacity. Not as in 'deplete' but as in degrading. Think of it as starting Chapter 1 with low healthbar, if you get Lives of the Thousands Gods, you'll increase the capacity of your gauge. Now think of NG3. Your default health "might" (or not) be the maximum health capacity. However if you take in too much damages, it decreases, sort of like going back to level 1 gauge meter. (hope no one is confused). In another words it works like the Red Permanent damages from NG2 however instead of you seeing the red bar, your health bar decreases in length.
*From the E3 demo when you killed enemies you regain a chunk of health. This was missing in NG3. After clearing masses of enemies or waves of enemies, your health bar will refill.
*The sliding move used to counter attack works in 2 ways. If you get the enemy off guard or behind, they will be in the air open for attack. The second way is directly sliding towards them while they face you, basically that just stops them from attacking. It's sort of like your secondary shuriken used to stop enemies from shooting rockets at you.
*in Hard mode the enemies can do heavy damages to your health, especially the rocket launchers!
*Steel on Bone. I believe it is not random. Its a way of figuring how it works and when it works. Because you can actually chain SoB on to 3 enemies close by. Sometimes you expect it to work and sometimes it doesn't work. It was really hard to figure out how it works because of the controller delay.
*I pressed the Start menu; the Pause screen comes up but nothing is shown. Back button doesn't work neither. Although during the presentation, Peter resetted the game by holding both Select and Start.
*In this demo build was the Tokyo Game Show build, the one with the terrorist begging for his life. However the Button prompt still appeared in Hard/Normal but not that much.
*I really can't tell how the movelists commands work as the controller delay made things hard. I did manage to pull off the Blade of Nirrti 2.0: Slide+Square+Triangle+Square+Square+Square+Triangle.
*I only pulled off the 'Izuna Flying Swallow Drop' twice and I had no idea how it worked. The second time I did it was by performing it while doing the Izuna Drop combo but I paused during the 3 Square chain...I think
*Man the game had framerate problem! What went wrong? During the E3 gameplay on ps3 ran so smooth. Now the game had framerate drop.
It was WORST on Xbox 360 lol.
*Counter Attack for Block+Square was the move when you run and press Square+Square.
*Counter Attack for Block+Triangle, Ryu basically does the Run Away Lightening style by jumping behind the enemy and slashing him (sort of like one of his Obliteration Technique)
*Steel on Bone happened less often in Hard mode
*I don't know if Running on walls returns but when I played it there were wall collison on the buildings, preventing me from running on wall:/ But when I saw the demonstration on stage, Lead the guy playing ran up the wall of a red London Bus 53.
*Whatever damage you take in the game while your health bar gauge is very small, if you do have a full Ninpo bar, it will be sacrificed to reinvograte your healthbar back to the max.
*The shuriken juggling is still in the game, you can use shuriken to juggle enemies while in the air.
*The Spider tank boss was easy man! "Piece of cake, no problem"
*And I didn't actually finish playing Hard mode. Even with the bad controller, it can be done. The game is actually harder even in Normal or Hard because it forces you to survive waves! Since you get no chance to use health portions, you are forced to fight to survive a wave before your health refills back.
*The game did lag a bit, you know when you get the controller input delay in NG2 and NGSigma 2. That happened a lot in this game because, sometimes when I hold Triangle to charge up UT, the game delays and you can slowly see Ryu Charge up. The problem is the game lags sometimes and drops in Framerate. However controller lag input and input delay and nonexistence happened constantly due to the stupid controller and tv.
*Evertime you Steel on Bone someone, it feels so good.
*When you Steel on Bone or when the button comes up, you don't have to button bash so much. You just tap Square like 2/3 times. No need to button bash like Test your Might from Mortal Kombat.
*with rubbish tvs, you can see the rain in the game. With sharp quality tv, you'll barley see the rain
*When the helicopter tries to distract the large rocket launchers coming at you, the framerate dropped both for xbox & ps3.
*Sorry guys, I even wanted to surprise you all by recording Hard Mode so you can see how a Master Ninja runs through Hard mode easily. But the controller lag input was so bad man it will make watching the game embarrassing and annoying.
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Greater Ninja
Joined: 19 Jun 2011
Posts: 208
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:33 am
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What do you mean by controller delay? There was a time lag between button pressing and action?
Also, is the Guillotine Throw still there? The stabbing move is a mix between Flying Swallow and this, so just to know (not like I use the GT much anyway)
*Counter Attack for Block+Triangle, Ryu basically does the Run Away Lightening style by jumping behind the enemy and slashing him (sort of like one of his Obliteration Technique)
I wondered why he did an OT out of the blue in some videos so that was a counter
*Steel on Bone happened less often in Hard mode
Since they must have more health, no surprise here.
*with rubbish tvs, you can see the rain in the game. With sharp quality tv, you'll barley see the rain
Shouldn't it be the opposite ? ò.Ô
I figured there was something odd with the variable length of the life bar I don't understand, at the end of a fight is it a NG2-like partial refill or does it grow back to full length?
And finally, did this version feature the Regent of the Mask fight?
Thanks for the impression in any case!
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Ninja Dog
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Posts: 14
Location: London
Gamertag: Blackxino
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:28 am
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controller delay and non input.
Like CyberEvil said so: sometimes when he lands on ground and tries to pull off On-Land UT, nothing gets input. But the on-land UT does work in this build, but I was talking about when there's no button input.
I did a lot of button bashing sometimes because I just couldn't stand the button delay.
Just think of it as playing NGS2 online with bad connection. When you press Square, it'll take the character to attack after 0.5 second instead of precision 1:1 (as you press Square).
Gullitoine throw isn't there. Who knows Ryu hasn't acquire that technique yet or it may never be int he game. Yes flying swallow is basically the black spider version style. Since there's no dismemberment, it makes sense to use that style instead of the classic style.
As for the tv..lol. If you compare them you'll see the difference. With rubbish tvs, the rain will be all over the place. But with good tvs you'll barely see the rain. Its hard to explain but seeing it makes sense. But not much of a big deal.
As for the healthbar.
You'll get a full bar but each time you get hit, the length of the bar decreases. It works like NG2's permanent red damage. But instead of having red bar, your healthbar decreases in length.
You'll refill your health after a fight but it wouldn't go back to normal length. Only Ninpo can fully regenerate your health back to its full length.
No Regent fight just Spider fight.
Your welcome, just didn't want people to get confuse or worry about others review who don't analyze the game well.
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Greater Ninja
Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 164
Location: Ishtaros' Bed(She's kinky with that whip)
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:51 am
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Even after all that, I still have low expectations with this game.
But thanks for the impressions fellow Master Ninja.
"I see you deny your brain its purpose... it yearns to think, but you hold it back."
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Shadow Ninja
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:32 pm
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Wow. I take some personal time and my thread gets derailed by keyboard commandos. Really guys it's not that serious. Chillax. Time to clean up a bit so the decent content is at least here for posterity.
Alright, looks better now. Civility. Fun concept.
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pirinx - Jul 19, 2015 12:39 pm Date Climbed: Jul 13, 2015Rainy, Foggy and Slippery
A day hike via the normal route (starting in Gschnitz by the church, the route from Feuerstein was closed).
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As the girly part of the pirinx team in the US, only the ugly did the trip.
tuan walter - Oct 14, 2008 4:02 pm Date Climbed: Oct 12, 2008Route Climbed: Normal Route From Gschnitz
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mpa - Jan 24, 2008 8:35 am Date Climbed: Sep 28, 2003Normal Route
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alpspitze - Sep 25, 2007 11:49 am Date Climbed: Aug 2, 1996Normal Route from Innsbrucker Huette
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Noah (Oregon) - Jun 25, 2003 2:09 pmRoute Climbed: Normal Route from the Innsbrucker Hut Date Climbed: June 21st, 2003
We left the valley floor and climbed easily and slowly up to the "hut" thinking that we would summit the Habicht the next morning (as most people do) but as it was only three o'clock, we pushed up to the summit and though it was late, the fact that it was the longest day of the year made an afternoon/evening summit bid an acceptable option. We climbed very slowly due to the fact that my partner was on his first climb ever! Shortly below the summit, we split up and I scrambled over the final ridge to the summit (cables make it "safe" but the route is tougher than most people describe it and can give one the feeling of vertigo if you are not used to big vertical drop-offs). We scrambled back down the ridge, across the "glacier", down the NE face, across to the steep ridge, down the main rock climbing portion (class I when dry) and over the rocks back to the hut in time for Käsepressknödel (a cheese dumpling). Our schedule looked something like this - From the car to the hut (slowly walking) took 2:40, from the hut to the summit took 3:00 and it took 2:40 to get back down to the hut (by which the Austrians seem to mean wonderful mountain hotel). Our times are slow but safe and anyone can repeat them or even go much faster. NOAH
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The Mets today released their preliminary 2009 schedule, and yes, the Washington Nationals are still on it. I know, that's too bad.
Because of the World Baseball Classic, Opening Day isn't until April 6, at Cincinnati. The Mets open Citi Field, April 13, against San Diego.
In addition to their home-and-home series with the Yankees, interleague play will include games at Boston and Baltimore, and Tampa Bay coming to Citi Field.
The Phillies come in for the first time, May 6-7, and the Braves make their first appearance, May 11-13.


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Zahru II wrote:augmented siege weapons are OP
Great game nevertheless
Zahru II wrote:Some magical disruptor kind of unit would be pretty neat. Like some runestone on a cart that gives neg mods or something, with or without allowing multiple ones stacking. Just tossing around orders, I have no idea how to mould these to cope with the supernatural ruleset.
Cakeman wrote:Yay, another Rev. Sylvanus-report! And it did not dissapoint, good read and nice minifigs, good photography. Did you use the rule "if range for launchers is over X (forgot... 12'?) it lands next round" or did the bombs just drop when fired? Anyway good read - what do you both think about countering wizards with? I'm thinking flying explosive-carrying kamikazes...
Rev. Sylvanus wrote:Before we get too much farther into these turns, I want to mention one other rule that is playing into the favor of my strategy: missed shots. Any player (according to 2010 rules) may insist on tracking payload projectiles that explode. This means they will come down somewhere. Because my lauchers fire MKII "grenades" the total blast radius is 4". The net result is that even a shot whose use rating missed technically will land nearby the intended target, keeping him--if no one else--in the explosion. Drifting shots like this will actually account for a number of kills I accrue this game.
Rev. Sylvanus wrote:The game also demonstrates the effects of turtling versus being more aggressive in gameplay and maneuvers.
Rev. Sylvanus wrote:Our suggestion is that only the values on the 1d10 can actually be distributed in an area buff.
Natalya wrote:Wtf is going on in this thread?
stubby wrote:I'm still open to suggestions for how to reward aggressive play. Handing out Behind Enemy Lines bennies every turn (1.4: The Spirit of the Game) would have helped McLovin a fair amount also.
Natalya wrote:Wtf is going on in this thread?
stubby wrote:This is by design, although it should be noted that catching a target with the edge of a blast delivers a lot less damage than a direct hit. And since it's the lowest dice in the roll, it'll even less than you would expect.
stubby wrote:I'm still open to suggestions for how to reward aggressive play. Handing out Behind Enemy Lines bennies every turn (1.4: The Spirit of the Game) would have helped McLovin a fair amount also.
Zahru II wrote:Gotta agree with stubby: turtling is for powergamer munchkin cowards.
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Microsoft doesn't want to admit it, but a Gartner analyst says the vendor's decision to offer Windows Server instances in the Azure cloud is opening a new competitive front against partner hosting companies.
Before 2010 is over, Microsoft will update Windows Azure with the ability to run Windows Server 2008 R2 instances in the Microsoft cloud service. The move could blur the lines between platform-as-a-service (PaaS) clouds like Azure, which provide abstracted tools to application developers, and infrastructure-as-a-service (IaaS) clouds such as Amazon's EC2, which provide raw access to compute and storage capacity.
Microsoft Windows Azure and Amazon EC2 on collision course
This move also improves Microsoft's competitive stance against VMware, which is teaming with hosting companies to offer PaaS developer tools and VMware-based infrastructure clouds.
But the cloud-based Windows Server instances open up a new competitive front against Rackspace and other Web hosters who are Microsoft partners, according to Gartner analyst Neil MacDonald.
Microsoft has, to some extent, downplayed the new capabilities, saying the cloud-based Windows Server - which goes under the name Windows Azure Virtual Machine Role - is primarily an on-ramp to port some applications to the Azure cloud.
"What they really want is people using Azure," MacDonald says. At the same time, VM Role "is a form of infrastructure-as-a-service," he continues. "The reason Microsoft is being so vague is they really don't want to upset their ecosystem partners, all the hosters out there in the world making good money hosting Windows workloads. Microsoft doesn't really want to emphasize that it is competing against them."
Whereas IaaS clouds provide access to raw compute power, in the form of virtual machines, and storage that is consumed by those VMs, PaaS clouds provide what could be described as a layer of middleware on top of the infrastructure layer. Developers using PaaS are given abstracted tools to build applications without having to manage the underlying infrastructure, but have less control over the basic computing and storage resources. With Azure, developers can use programming languages .Net, PHP, Ruby, Python or Java, and the development tools Visual Studio and Eclipse.
Microsoft officials have previously predicted that the lines between PaaS and IaaS clouds will blur over time, but stress that Windows Azure will remain a developer platform.
In response to MacDonald's comment, Windows Azure general manager Doug Hauger says "our partners provide a vast range of services to customers for hosting an infrastructure-as-a-service [cloud]. The VM Role does not compete with them in this space."
For what it's worth, Rackspace does view Microsoft as a cloud competitor. "The cloud market is going to be huge and there are many ways to win in it," Rackspace President Lew Moorman says. "Microsoft is serious about the market and we view them as an emerging competitor as well as partner. We are confident that our service difference will resonate to a large part of the market regardless of the technical offers that emerge from players such as Microsoft."
In an interview this week, Hauger discussed both the similarities and differences between Microsoft's cloud-based Windows Server instances and the virtual machine hosting provided by Amazon and other IaaS vendors.
"I think there is an incredibly broad, gray line between infrastructure-as-a-service pure-play and platform-as-a-service," Hauger says.
Ultimately, the marketplace will only care about the technical capabilities of cloud services, not the taxonomies used to define them, Hauger continues. With VM Role, Azure customers will have to manage and patch their own guest operating system. This is clearly different from pure PaaS, in which developers write to endpoints and services through an API, and are "abstracted from even worrying about the operating system," Hauger says.
But VM Role, when it becomes available later in 2010, will still have some of the developer tools and other benefits of PaaS, so "it's not the ground floor of infrastructure-as-a-service," Hauger says. "You're taking the elevator up a little bit."
Even though Microsoft is offering VM hosting, that does not mean customers will be able to create custom compute and storage configurations, as they might with an IaaS provider like Rackspace, Hauger says.
Custom storage configurations are "something we absolutely do not offer with the Windows Azure platform, because we've made an architectural decision to have a uniform storage pool."
On the other hand, Azure customers don't have to worry about writing multi-tenancy capabilities into their applications. Hauger argues that building applications that are resilient, scalable and automated is, while not impossible in an IaaS cloud, quite difficult when "you're staring down the throat of a VM and you have to manage that yourself."
Even with VM Role, and a Server Application Virtualization option that will let developers transfer application images to Azure, Hauger does not recommend that customers "forklift a big, monolithic application from on-premise and move it over to Windows Azure."
VM Role could be used to move some "lightweight" HPC applications to the Azure cloud, Hauger says. If a customer needs large-scale data analysis, but only for a short amount of time, it makes sense to move that app to Azure temporarily and then take it back in-house, he says. Some customers are finding that purely Web-based applications, like Facebook games, also make sense for Azure, he says.
Microsoft officials are willing to admit that Azure's capabilities are not limitless.
For example, Microsoft CTO Barry Briggs says his own team used Azure last year to build a charity auction application, but kept credit card processing on-premise "because PCI compliance is a big deal."
"There are some things that will probably stay on-premise for a while and I suspect PCI compliance will be there, because customers want to take some time to understand what the capabilities and potentials of the [cloud] technology really are," Briggs says.
Although Microsoft is expanding Azure by offering VM hosting, it's important to note that the offer applies only to Windows Server 2008 R2. Microsoft clearly wouldn't offer Linux VMs and offering older versions of Windows Server would not fit the Microsoft strategy, either, MacDonald says.
Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud, meanwhile, offers Windows Server 2003 and 2008, eight versions of Linux and OpenSolaris.
Although Amazon does offer a billing service, load balancing, databases and a variety of other tools designed for developers, Amazon has not made any significant moves into PaaS, MacDonald says. Amazon says its approach prevents customers from "being locked into a particular programming model, language or operating system."
But Microsoft's Windows Server hosting does put the two companies into more direct competition, MacDonald says.
Perhaps most crucially for Microsoft, the VM Role service gives CEO Steve Ballmer and his cloud team a more viable way of competing against VMware, which has partnerships designed to provide both PaaS offerings and the VM hosting capabilities needed to move applications to the cloud.
"The customers need to have an easier on-ramp to cloud computing, and Microsoft wasn't providing that and their biggest competitor was," MacDonald says. "This was a gap they had to fill and I'm glad to see they've done it. I'd say it's two years late. It doesn't mean they're too late, but they should have done this from day one."
As for the Web hosters who now find themselves in competition against Microsoft, MacDonald says they will simply "have to evolve."
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Serving as a Peace Corps Fellow in Duquesne's Graduate Center for Social and Public Policy took Steve McGinley from his Peace Corps service in Tonga to a prestigious Presidential Management Fellowship and from there to service as a Congressional Liaison, first for the NASA and then for the VA. "I believe the Policy Center and being a Fellow prepared me for a career with the Federal Government, first as a Presidential Management Fellow, and later as a Congressional Liaison," Steve affirmed.
As a Peace Corps Fellow in Pittsburgh Steve worked for the Pittsburgh Regional Alliance, where he tracked and helped promote foreign direct investment in southwestern Pennsylvania, and later for the Ireland Institute of Pittsburgh, where he was involved with conflict resolution with Catholic and Protestant youth in Northern Ireland.
After completing his Presidential Management Fellowship with the Navy Steve worked as a Congressional Liaison Officer for NASA. (Steve is second from the left in this photograph of a group of NASA officials with Robonaut.)
From there Steve moved to the Department of Veterans Affairs, where he represented the interests of the department to members of Congress and its oversight committee staff. "I coordinate Congressional hearings at which senior VA officials appear. This requires intense, close, and skillful collaboration with Congressional staff, VA program offices and its senior management—all in a very fluid environment, under an extremely compressed schedule. I also must keep on top of other projects, Congressional inquiries, requests by the Congress for briefings, and other demands. This post requires excellent communication, problem-solving and teamwork skills, as well as consistent good judgment and discretion."
In summer 2012 Steve became Voice of America's Congressional Liaison, with responsibility to develop and implement external communications plans, and coordinate briefings, testimonies and reports to Congress. He also helps prepare speeches and coordinates responses to requests for information from Congress and other parts of the federal government.
Steve, his Tongan wife Ofa, and their daughters Fiona and Cecilia now make their home in Alexandria, Virginia.


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The aerospace and defense industry has an enormous problem. Major airplane programs have been consistently late to market, costing companies billions and, in some cases, tens of billions of dollars in direct costs and lost sales. These delays have also led to deteriorating market values and diminished manufacturer credibility.
A primary reason these problems persist is the extraordinary complexity of today's major airplane programs. Typically, hundreds of suppliers are involved in these initiatives and their decisions are interwoven with those of a multitude of other suppliers. Compounding this complexity, there is a wide geographic dispersion of suppliers across virtually all regions of the world: Asia-Pacific, Europe, Latin America, the Middle East, and North America. Additional byproducts of the rising rate of program delays and higher complexity include fragmented and misaligned product development processes, supply chain miscalculations as well as manufacturing and engineering inefficiencies.
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Study In "Journal of Religion and Society" Finds Societies Worse Off With Religion.
"Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'" from the online edition of The Times.
The original study is here. Thanks Prup!.
That study is a good one, but it would have been better to link to the original, as has been done several times in various comments. I'll have to look for it myself for the full cite, but it is the one that starts moses.creighton.edu
and maybe someone else has it closer to hand.
This might be the study mentioned in the article:
Another study, which suggests strong belief in both God and the Devil, such as espoused by Evangelicals, is correlated with high homicide rates:
The person who wrote that article is a persuasive writer. She puts a certain spin on the issue of crime and violence and tells us that America has more crime and violence because we are more religious than England. But what she is really doing is comparing two different countries where there are many differences such as culture, population, government, ehtnicity and so on. She takes one difference being religiousness of the citizens and assumes that this must be the reason. However I questin these facts because I am aware that in the last decade the religiousness of England is growing with The Church of England. It is a biased article poorly written, any one with an English degree and who has themselves studied persuasive writting can see right through it. You should have cited a better article and a less biased study. A study whose aim from the get go was not to discredit religion would have been better if there is such a one. This is an industry and Ruth Geldhill is profiting off of it as a so called Religion Corespondant. What does that mean? That she knows more about religion than everyone else? No she doesn't. Like I said, there is a difference between knowing about someone and actually knowing them. And I really doubt if Ruth really knows that much about religion. She is just in it for the money. She got paid to write that article to keep the fire burning, and somewhere someone will write an article refuting it and get paid, and then someone else will write a book about religion and crime, probably Ruth herself and she will get paid and on and on. Its like wrestle mania, and in this corner!
Hi Joel,
Do you know where I can some information on Ruth Geldhill?
Did you read the original? I just recently added it to the article.
And can you site a source for your claim about England? Thats not what I'm hearing.
Hi Joel,
I found her blog!
But I haven't read enough to tell if she's biased or not.
There are many think tanks, organizations and publications that claim to understand a religion or a faith better than its adherents, they claim to be unbiased so when the results of their research casts a negative shadow on a particular religion or faith people will believe that is the way it really is. I read the study and though Ruth is a trained professional persuasive writer who is not without bias whatever that may be, the study did do the things I claimed that it did. It compared countries that were different in many ways but blamed only one difference being the religiousness of the people for the differences. Anyone willing to discredit Christianity would not question this study. I learned of growing Church attendance from a Minister in England who said that attendance in his church was growing though this is in no way a reflection of England as a whole I must admit. So perhaps England is not as religious as I thought, you have me there, but I don't believe that America is sincerely, well. "religious" as you all may believe. Figures lie and liars figure. I am a Christian but not a neo-con. The fact that Ruth is getting paid is proof of a certain amount of biased, she represents her publication or The Times. Show me media that is not biased. And I will show you how to lose weight by eating nothing but bacon cheese burgers.
If you'd check the original study, you'd see that your description of the newspaper accounts is far from a good description of it -- yes, Benny, I believe that is the study referred to. The comparison is NOT just between England and America, but compares America to a large group of Western European countries -- as well as to Japan, and I believe, Canada. (And Ms. Geldhill was not connected with the original study, she is merely reporting on it, so your comments about her motives are, to say the least, dubious.) The polling done was contemporaneous with the statistics cited, and in almost every case, the countries with the higher belief in God have worse statistics. (If you check the article, realize you have to click on the list "Figure 1, Figure 2, ..." to get the different charts.)
I agree with Lee that your statement about England seems highly unlikely. (I believe that the believers are tending more fundamentalist than in the past, but the percentage of overall believers continues to drop.)
One thing that should be pointed out is that the surveys were taken of the population as a whole, and most of the EU countries have a much higher proportion of Muslim immigrants and their first- and second- generation descendants. If they were included in the study, this would skew the numbers for them towards a higher proportion of believers and church attendees (and disbelievers in evolution). The proportion of Christians might even be lower than the numbers suggest -- or believers among the non-Muslim part of the populace.
Hi Joel,
thanks for your thoughtful contribution.
But if you only eat one bacon cheesburger a day and drink water I bet you could lose weight!
Seriously, I agree to the extent that this area of research needs more independent study to be more meaningful.
"It is the opinion of the authors that once all of the methodological issues are considered, Paul's findings and conclusions are rendered ineffectual."
- http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2006/2006-1.html
Good find, sir. Have you found anything similar for Jensen's paper (http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2006/2006-7.html)? As I mentioned before, it suggests that a strong belief in both God and Devil, such as espoused by the Evangelical movement, is correlated with high homicide rates.
Another paper by Ellison, Burr, and McCall ("The Enduring Puzzle of Southern Homicide: Is Regional Religious Culture the Missing Piece?") found that the percent of evangelical Protestants is a positive correlate of homicide rates in southern US cities, but I haven't been able to find the full text of this paper yet.
Joel you make an interesting point. Even if your English Minister was thinking wishfully or maybe embellishing. What is that saying "As deceivers yet true"? However, Joel, I think you are the one who may be getting ahead of yourself. Your quick judgment of Geldhill shows that you need to take more time to read these articles. Geldhill is biased as you say. Who in the media is not? It is up to the reader to use their minds and investigate the truth. But the type of bias or her methods need to be understood. Her writing is not so much biased per say, it is her choice of what stories to cover. She chooses stories that paint a certain picture. She controls her media by only showing certain situations in the world of religion. Often she focuses on the controversial which is sensational and sells. This is her job, no one wants to read about good things that happen in churches everyday. It does not sell. A minister embellishing or a priest molesting, that sells magazines. If this is all people see of religion then they can easily get the wrong idea. Do you understand Joel? It is not so much her writing that is biased but her selectiveness.
This is laughable.
Every officially atheistic government has been a bloody totalitarian atrocity.
Who ya kiddin, folks?
How about another spin on these findings: That the high rate of religious people in these countries is not the cause of crime, but the effect of crime. Oh yeah baby.
Hi Blair,
there is a distinction. Openly atheistic governments, versus secular with religious freedom. I don't think any of us here at DC would promote the restriction of religious freedoms.
On the other hand, if everyone had a more empirical requirement for the existence of a god or the validity of their chosen scripture, I don't think theist vs atheist would much of a big deal. The point being that there wouldn't be so many theists.
Hi anon at 1154,
you really should flush that claim some more. Just because you can think it up doesn't make it viable.
Some grounds, and some principles/warrants to link your grounds to your conclusion would be nice.
Hey Randolf, the study that you are all quoting is the basis and grounds for my for my claim. I just took another spin on the facts. That's all the study shows is some facts and figures, those facts and figures can be interpreted in either way. Either religion causes crime and social disorder or crime and social disorder cause religion baby. Here is the premise for the study: That countries where people are more religious have more crime. You all jump to the conclusion that this is because of religion and there for religion is bad for society and societies are better with out it. I see where this is going. Out law religion because it is bad for us. Baloney Mahoney! The study does not directly tie religion to any of the crimes or social disorders. Any assumption that it does is groundless. When looking at the bare bones facts, a person can just as easily come to the conclusion that people who live in societies that have more crime and social disorder become more religious as a consequence because they have more reason to look for the security and peace of mind and also guidance that religion offers.
Do a study on inmates in Americas prsion and find out how many of them attended church regularly (that means at least 3 times a month) before they committed their crimes and where put in prison for them. Do that study baby! You won't because it will tear to shreds your jumped to conclusions bay. Oh yeah! Go ahead do the study. Go on. I challenge you to go to your local prison or jail and find out baby.
Anon t GaP:
I've never been in prison, or worked on either side of law enforcement, but I have lived among a large number of people who had -- or deserved to -- be in prison, most particularly in one hotel and during a six month period when I lived in a homeless shelter. I won't discuss how many people had actually attended church recently, because I don't know the answer.
I do, however, know that a larger proportion of those people who lived there professed themselves as being Christians, and had strpngly religious upbringings than would be true of the populace at large -- and that there was one period at the homeless shelter where my life was threatened becaise 'I didn't believe in Jesus Christ.'
In general, in fact, two things are true -- and have always been true -- that criminals are, to a great extent, from the poorest part of society, and that this society is also disproportionately religious. If someone did that survey, they would find a larger than average number of criminals who were both raised religiously and who were still profesing Christians (or Muslims, or members of other religions).
Hey if a Christian had the same type of story and claims you would not accept it. You would tell him to back it up with evidence baby. Back it up baby, back that thing up baby. Oh yeah. You also made a mistake. You said that most people who commit crimes come from poor backgrounds. Oh yeah baby, that's a three pointer for me! Also another study challenge, go into the the churches in your area and poll there income. And also poll how many of them have been to prsion. That's were you will find the sort of Christians you try and debunk. Perhaps poverty has a thing or to to do with these issues. Hey, I just cast doubt on your jive talk. What-cha gonna do now?


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Overnight News: Certified stocks are higher today and are about 2.739 million bags. The ICO composite price is now 131.04 ct/lb. Brazil should get scattered showers. Temperatures will average near to above normal. Colombia should get a few showers, and Central America and Mexico should get mostly dry conditions. Temperatures should average near to above normal.
Chart Trends: Trends in New York are mixed to up with objectives of 147.00, 152.00, and 180.00 May. Support is at 136.00, 134.00, and 132.00 May, and resistance is at 141.00, 144.00, and 147.00 May. Trends in London are down with objectives of 2020 and 1990 May. Support is at 2015, 2000, and 1970 May, and resistance is at 2080, 2100, and 2130 May. Trends in Sao Paulo are mixed. Support is at 168.00, 166.00, and 165.00 September, and resistance is at 173.00, 177.00, and 180.00 September.
General Comments: Futures closed mixed to mostly lower on ideas of big production, mostly from Brazil. Ideas of weak demand and big supplies keep traders negative to prices. Nearby months were able to gain a bit on some speculative buying as traders note the big problems with logistics in Brazil. The market could be starting a new trend down. Futures seem to uncover new consumptive demand every time the market moves below 1800 in New York and plenty of offers when a rally is made. So far, no new demand is being reported, but futures are finding some buying support, anyway. Reports indicate that Brazil will start harvesting next month and that a big offer is expected. Brazil will start to offer a little less as mills there prepare for greater domestic Ethanol demand as blends for cars have been changed by the government. Reports from Brazil say that the new crop production looks to be strong, so the diversion into more domestic ethanol use will help offset increased sugarcane production. Exports from Brazil continue to be very strong overall despite the port problems.
Overnight News: Scattered showers are expected in Brazil through Friday.
Chart Trends: Trends in New York are down with objectives of 1725 and 1610 July. Support is at 1760, 1740, and 1710 July, and resistance is at 1790, 1800, and 1810 July. Trends in London are down with no objectives. Support is at 490.50, 487.00, and 484.00 August, and resistance is at 500.00, 505.00, and 510.00 August.
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Chart Trends: Trends in New York are mixed to up with objectives of 2240 and 2370 May. Support is at 2160, 2110, and 2075 May, with resistance at 2190, 2220, and 2235 May. Trends in London are mixed. Support is at 1430, 1420, and 1405 May, with resistance at 1475, 1495, and 1520 May.


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South Africa: Mandela improved overnight
JOHANNESBURG (AP) — Nelson Mandela's health improved overnight and his condition remains critical but is now stable, the South African government said Thursday in a statement that brought a measure of relief to the country. One of the former president's daughters said he was still opening his eyes and reacting to the touch of his family even though his situation was precarious.
The report that the health of the 94-year-old anti-apartheid figure had taken a slight turn for the better came amid an increasingly somber mood in South Africa, where religious and traditional leaders have talked openly about the possibility of his death. For some, it dovetailed with the resilience of spirit and physique that Mandela had shown throughout his life, as a boxer, a prisoner, a peacemaker, a president and a humanitarian who inspired the world.
"We know that Madiba is a fighter, he's been a fighter all his life and he's tough," said presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj, using Mandela's clan name. He said the latest medical report had brought "a little bit of relief."
The hint of good news, whether fleeting or not, delighted some South Africans, including those who have delivered flowers and messages of support to the Pretoria hospital where Mandela is being treated. Some felt the national and global outpouring of support for Mandela had helped him, in a kind of reversal of roles with the man who helped his compatriots in the struggle for democracy.
"We are very grateful as South Africans for the promises that we are getting that he is stabilizing right now," said Andy Lembeki, a well-wisher.
President Jacob Zuma's office said he received the update from the medical team that is treating Mandela. Zuma had canceled an international trip on Thursday in a sign of heightened worry, instead visiting Mandela for the second time in two days.
"I canceled my visit to Mozambique today so that I can see him and confer with the doctors," Zuma said in the statement. "He is much better today than he was when I saw him last night."
In April, though, Zuma gave an overly upbeat assessment about Mandela's condition. State television had broadcast footage of a visit by Zuma and other political leaders to Mandela's home. Zuma said at the time that Mandela was in good shape, but the footage showed him silent and unresponsive, even when Zuma tried to hold his hand.
Mandela, who was imprisoned for 27 years during white racist rule and became president in all-race elections in 1994, was taken to a hospital on June 8 for what the government said was a recurring lung infection.
Zuma urged people to pray for Mandela, and continue with their work and daily activities even while he is hospitalized.
The president's office said it was disturbed by what it called rumors about Mandela's health and appealed for respect for the privacy and dignity of the former leader. Unconfirmed reports about Mandela have swirled on social media and other forums.
Makaziwe Mandela, one of Mandela's daughters, echoed the criticism, saying foreign media coverage of her father's illness had become intrusive, particularly at the Pretoria hospital where many journalists have gathered.
"There's sort of a racist element with many of the foreign media, where they just cross boundaries," she said in the SABC interview. "It's like truly vultures waiting when a lion has devoured a buffalo, waiting there for the last carcasses. That's the image that we have, as a family."
She said: "We don't mind the interest. But I just think it has gone overboard."
In comments posted on the SABC website, Makaziwe Mandela said "anything is imminent" because her father, referred to affectionately by many South Africans as "Tata," or "Father," is in a very critical state.
"I want to emphasize again that it's only God who knows when the time to go is," she said. "So we will wait with Tata. He's still giving us hope by opening his eyes, he's still reactive to touch, we will live with that hope until the final end comes."
Beginning a trip to Africa, President Obama said in Senegal on Thursday that his thoughts and prayers were with South Africans and in particular the Mandela family. He said he was inspired, as a law school student in the early 1990s, to see Mandela step forward after decades of imprisonment to help deliver democracy in a spirit of reconciliation with his former captors.
"It gave me a sense of what is possible in the world when righteous people, when people of good will, work together on behalf of a larger cause," said Obama, who described Mandela as a personal hero.
"And if and when he passes from this place, one thing I think we'll all know is that his legacy is one that will linger on throughout the ages," Obama said.
In Jerusalem, the visiting archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, said Mandela has been in his thoughts and prayers.
"We're praying constantly for President Mandela, especially for his family, for the people of South Africa and for peace in their hearts and minds of what must be a very traumatic time for them," he said at an interfaith meeting.
Mandela's 95th birthday is on July 18, an occasion ahead of which South African organizers and others around the world are planning humanitarian acts to honor the legacy of the former president. Samson Divhula, a statistician in Pretoria, said he hoped Mandela would live at least until his day.
"If God takes him before he reaches his 95th birthday, so be it," he said. "We'll accept it and wish Mandela well and still celebrate his 95th birthday."


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ROME – Italy on Wednesday marked the 70th anniversary of the roundup and deportation of Jews from Rome's ghetto amid turmoil over the late Nazi war criminal Erich Priebke and his Holocaust-denying final statement.
Priebke died Friday in Rome, where he was serving a life term for his role in the 1944 massacre of 335 civilians at the Ardeatine Caves outside the capital. It was one of the worst atrocities of Germany's World War II occupation of Italy.
His death unleashed a torrent of emotion because he left behind a testament in which he not only defended his actions but denied that Jews were gassed in Nazi concentration camps.
His testament has enraged Rome's Jewish community, which gathered Wednesday in Rome's main synagogue to commemorate the Oct. 16, 1943, roundup of Jews and warn of the continued dangers posed by Holocaust deniers like Priebke.
The head of Italy's Jewish communities, Renzo Gattegna, referred to Priebke in his remarks but refused, amid applause, to pronounce his name "to not profane this sacred place."
He said the Nazis were assassins of innocents.
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On Tuesday, a Senate committee passed a bill criminalizing such Holocaust denial — passage that was given greater impulse because of the outcry over Priebke's final testament.
The head of Rome's Jewish community, Riccardo Pacifici, said the uproar over Priebke has shown the "beautiful face of Italy," given the solidarity by both civil and Catholic Church officials to deny him a church funeral.
The anniversary came during the continued debate about what to do with Priebke's remains. Plans by a fringe Catholic church to celebrate a funeral Mass for him were called off Tuesday amid clashes between Priebke's right-wing supporters and protesters.
Rome's mayor and prefect announced that negotiations were underway with Germany to take in the remains, which reportedly were spirited out of the church compound overnight and taken to a military air base.
Wednesday's commemorations began at 5:30 a.m. with the sounding of the shofar, a ram's horn trumpet, to commemorate the moment when Nazi forces began rounding up more than 1,000 Jews from Rome's ghetto and nearby neighborhoods.
The Jews spent two days in a military college before being deported by train to Auschwitz. Only 16 survived.


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