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Seventies Soulchild: Good morning.
Spivey: Good morning, Seventies Soulchild!
Seventies Soulchild: Happy father's day
Spivey: Happy Father's Day!
Seventies Soulchild: I'm surprised no one is in here.
Spivey: LOL. Great minds think alike.
Seventies Soulchild: Its father's day NOT mother's day lol
Spivey: Are you a father? I'm a mother but I accept Father's Day greetings since I raised my dauthter as a single parent. So there! lol
Seventies Soulchild: No I'm a single parent also. And believe me the mom always puts in more work than dad.
Spivey: Of course. I'm surprised no one is here too. Usually a lot of male members here on Father's Day.
Seventies Soulchild: Anything new with your research?
Spivey: Yes. Yesterday I [finally] called my aunt in Georgia and her son answered the telephone. I got the vitals on wife and son. That was great! His mother is 85 and don't like to talk - afraid it might show up on the Internet. lol
Seventies Soulchild: Ah ok that's great
Spivey: He also mentioned a Jessie Adams that he thought was the patriarch of the Adams Family. I always thought the patriarch was Coleman Adams. Another bit of information. He promised to send me copies of the deeds and birth certificates he has that mention this Jessie Adams.
Seventies Soulchild: Nice. .
Spivey: Yes. I was in seventh heaven all day.
Seventies Soulchild: I hope that lead helps you find other family. This line is from Georgia?
Spivey: The funny thing is that Coleman Adams was the owner of the Adams Family Farm. He had a son named Jessie, but my cousin says his Jessie moved to Georgia from the Carolinas and was about the same age as Coleman.
Khathu: Hello ladies
Seventies Soulchild: Hey Khathu! Happy Father's Day
Spivey: Hi Khathu! Happy Father's Day Khathu!
Khathu: Thanks Seventies and Spivey
Spivey: Yes, Seventies Soulchild. From Millen, Jenkins County and Screven County Georgia.
Seventies Soulchild: ok... Khathu anything new on the genealogy research?
Spivey: Maybe Coleman and Jessie were brothers. I did find Coleman's sister living on the family farm in 1930, but both he and his sister were born in Virginia. Maybe the family were split up by their master in Virginia. Maybe so many things.
Seventies Soulchild: Its worth looking into.
Spivey: Not enough information at this time. Back to the drawing board for me! LOL.
Khathu: I examined some marriage records for some extended family members
Seventies Soulchild: I found a long lost family member this week.
Spivey: Oh, great Seventies! I love new finds even when they aren't my own. Did you find anything Khathu?
Khathu: in addition, i am one step closer to being one of the first (if not the first) individual to join the Sons of the Republic of Texas through an enslaved ancestor
Seventies Soulchild: thanks. turns out the my 3rd great grandparents had a son who died in the CW
Khathu: Spivey I have located a lot of marriage records
Seventies Soulchild: I was wondering about that... it should be interesting to say the least
Spivey: Interesting both Khathu and Seventies Soulchild.
Khathu: what i do is trace the marriage of my ancestors siblings and their descendants up until the 1950s
Seventies Soulchild: That's a lot of tracing....
Spivey: Wish I could, Khathu. Hard to trace birth, marriage and death records for me. Maybe because they came from such a small town.
Khathu: then i tried to locate living descendants to try and obtain information from them if possible that where cluster research comes in
Spivey: Khathu, a question: do you have much success tracing females and how do you go about it?
deannie: Happy Father's Day to all
Seventies Soulchild: hi deannie
Spivey: Good morning Deannie. Happy Father's Day to you too!
Khathu: have you ordered any county records more so indexes of vital records
Spivey: Yes, I have tried Khathu. I even visited the courthouse in Millen. The only thing I found there was a deed to the family farm. No marriage, birth or death records were there.
Khathu: with females it is so important to examine marriage records to determine if and when they got married
Spivey: I was directed to another government office, wrote them, and they also came up with no records.
Khathu: what state and county are you researching
Seventies Soulchild: In MS they started indexing by groom first and a second index by bride first. I thought that was genius
Spivey: My Adams [and Kelsey] branches are from Jenkins County Georgia, Khathu. Jenkins County was formerly part of Screven and a couple of other surrounding counties. Records I found were mainly in Jenkins County.
Seventies Soulchild: Familysearch's pilot page is good for locating marriage records
Spivey: You got that right, Seventies Soulchild. I located the marriage record of one of the Adams family there.
AYWalton: Good morning all.
deannie: Mornin Angela
AYWalton: I hope everyone is doing well.
Spivey: I am taking them one by one, but the Adams and Kelsey families were prodigious reproducers. lol
deannie: great and you
AYWalton: howdy deannie, khathu, SoulChile, spivey
Khathu: Spivey - Jenkins County wasn't created until 1905
Spivey: Yes, Khathu. From Screven, Richmond and another county I can't recall offhand.
Khathu: it was created from Bulloch, Burke, Emanuel and Screven
AYWalton: deannie, I saw Nette and Lettie last week at Samford!
Khathu: So you must focus your research on those counties
Spivey: Yes, AYWalton and Happy Father's Day to you! I am, Khathu.
AYWalton: I shall pass that Father's Day greeting to the men in the family, spivey, and of course honor the fathers in the ancestral line.
Seventies Soulchild: yes how was the conference? I saw a few of your tweets and messages
Khathu: Thanks AYWalton
Spivey: Okay, AYWalton. You enjoy it too.
AYWalton: it was wonderful, SoulChile. I enjoy every day, spivey.
Spivey: That's good.
AYWalton: SoulChile I blogged from it every day from Sunday through Friday, so take a look. www.myancestorsname.blogspot.com
Seventies Soulchild: I saw your entries here and on twitter...
AYWalton: that was hard work, but it was worth it to record what was going on greetings alt.
Spivey: Khathu how did you come up with that information so fast? Wow!
AYWalton: Happy Father's Day!!!!!!!
Khathu: Happy Fathers Day alt
Seventies Soulchild: happy father's day alt
alt: hello all. AYWalton, deannie, Khathu, 70's & spivey
Spivey: Good morning Alt! Happy Day to you! :}
Khathu: I went to familysearch.org and looked at their catalog
alt: thank you folks
deannie: OK, I did not go to this month's meeting....but I will talk to Lettie this week about about our annual trip to Ft Wayne
Spivey: That quickly? Wow, you are fast Khathu.
Khathu: you can order the microfilm through one of their family history center
Spivey: Do you have a reader at home Khathu?
alt: hello Selma
Seventies Soulchild: Hello Selma
Selma: Good Sunday morning everyone...
Khathu: Spivey - remember must county clerks do not have the time to do research for the public i live near several family history centers
AYWalton: she was mentioning the upcoming trip to me, deannie.
Spivey: Oh, when I went to Georgia I did the research myself, Khathu. The clerks simply pointed me in the right direction.
AYWalton: I love the spirit in which she and Lettie approach their research. Howdy Ms. Selma!!!
Selma: Good mornin AY, alt, deannie, khathu, seventies and spivey
Khathu: Was that your first time researching at the courthouse? and how long did you spend there?
AYWalton: hope all is well with you, Ms. Selma!
Selma: I am fine,the question is how are you? Are you recovering from your trip
Spivey: No, Khathu, I went to Georgia each summer for a couple of years and spent my vacation visiting the library and the county courthouse. I did not make it to the archives, but my cousin informed me he couldn't find any records there [unbelievable, since there are some records. Now, I rely on Georgia's Virtual Vault a lot Khathu. Not able to travel for various reasons, including finances.
Selma: Alt..saw your response on FPOC board...there is also the possibility that family was not free in 1840, but emancipated sometime before 1850, in which case she needs to be looking at Wills and Deeds
alt: I know Selma, that's why I said IF the family was free BEFORE 1850.
Khathu: Try visiting a family history center near you
Seventies Soulchild: AYWalton, did you get your soul food?
alt: my point was to look at both pages on the census records prior to 1850, most folks don't look at page 2 because they aren't looking for FPOC
Seventies Soulchild: Speaking of, I think I may need to make another trip to the Nat'l Archives
Selma: I think the poster needs some basic information...
Spivey: None nearby, Khathu, but I did find one that is only three bus rides away! LOL.
Khathu: well thats near by
Spivey: Not in New York City, Khathu! LOL.
alt: and don't realize that ONLY the HOH is listed before 1850 I was wondering where she saw a gr gr gr grandmaother on an 1810 Census record.....
Spivey: When I was still driving, I drove there and couldn't find a parking space so had to drive back home with nothing accomplished Khathu! Boy, was I disappointed!
Seventies Soulchild: Now alt, does this apply to all FPOC census even at the state level?
Selma: What do you mean seventies?
alt: all federal census records from 1790 to 1840 Seventies Soulchild
Seventies Soulchild: ok alt. For example I noticed that AL has state census records and federal census records.
Spivey: That is a boon Seventies Soulchild since the state censuses usually occurred in off years.
Seventies Soulchild: There were a few of my FPOCs listed before the 1866 census, but I'm not sure if I was looking the index vs the actual census
alt: many States have census records between federal census on the 5 years between federal census
Spivey: I have found some luck with the Florida census records alt. Very helpful.
alt: and most former slave States performed a census immediately following the CW
Seventies Soulchild: So let me tell y'all about my find. I was able to locate the CW pension for my long forgotten gg granduncle Charles Rounds Hi ProfessorDru His mother received a pension for him & there is something in there about $100 given to his parents..
ProfessorDru: Greetings from Richmond, VA, former capital of the Confederacy. LOL
Selma: If it was up to our current Governor..the confederacy would rise again..LOL
Spivey: I have a question. Was there a lot of agricultural work in Florida during the 1920's, 1930's and 1940's that caused people to migrate there for work?
ProfessorDru: LOL Selma
alt: a reason for the census records following the CW was to get a count for 'full' representation in congress as slaves were only accounted for as 3/5 prior to the CW.
Selma: Could the $100, been the last of his bounty payments for enlisting
Seventies Soulchild: Yes...that's what it says
ProfessorDru: I won't be in the chat long--am getting ready to go see the play "Crowns."
Seventies Soulchild: but its taped over another statement.... ugh! What is with MS and this taping glue thing! lol Enjoy ProfessorDru
alt: interesting Seventies Soulchild ... his 'mother' received pension funds for him. I thought those funds were only for widows
Selma: Rested Proff Dru
ProfessorDru: Angela, I guess you're on information overload with all of the things you learned at Samford.
Seventies Soulchild: No I think it was because she and his father had established their relationship prior to with the bounty thing.
Spivey: My maternal grandmother received the pension for my uncle who was killed in Korea alt.
Selma: Was he the sole support of his mother Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: No actually I think he was their oldest child.
alt: Spivey, pension or insurance as they could have been named the beneficiary?
Spivey: Pension alt. She never cashed a single check.
alt: and Seventies Soulchild is speaking of a CW pension
Spivey: 'Bye ProfessorDru and have a good time.
Seventies Soulchild: yes. . .
ProfessorDru: thanks
Selma: Enjoy yourself dru..you deserve it
Spivey: Maybe it was the same rule then alt.
alt: really, for Korea... was he a career military?
Seventies Soulchild: I did find out a few details. The pension file is only 19 pages long I found some people that I think may be relations through marriage and children
alt: could be Spivey.
Spivey: He didn't have a chance to be career military alt. He was killed when he was 24. He had no wife or children. Maybe that made a difference?
Seventies Soulchild: His mother lived to be nearly 100 yrs old. It gives his date of death, but no birth. Is this normal for someone who died in the line of duty?
alt: then I think we have a terminology difference.... pesnion vs insurance & pay.... If in Korea his checks could have been sent to some account as an allotment.
Spivey: No year Seventies Soulchild?
Seventies Soulchild: No year of birth
Spivey: No, alt. They were definitely pension checks.
Seventies Soulchild: But he wasn't far from home, he was just serving in Vicksburg, MS
alt: was age at time of death given Seventies Soulchild? okay Spivey
Seventies Soulchild: I didn't see one initially It includes all of his service records which was the total of one card...
Spivey: Maybe because back then it didn't matter your age when you entered the armed forces Seventies Soulchild?
Seventies Soulchild: However it does list the certificate numbers for the Bounty No they documented it. I have another file that has all of that information and then some.
AYWalton: ok back---sorry I was on the phone.
Selma: Maybe just an oversight seventies..does his date of birth appear on other forms
Seventies Soulchild: That's what I was thinking. It would be nice to know so I can add it to the tree. browsing through them now.
Selma: Did he have siblings seventies...how old were they?
AYWalton: I had better run folk, gotta make another call.
Spivey: What did they document Seventies Soulchild?
alt: AYWalton, we're speaking to CW pension records.... who was eligible to receive a pension... from the CW vet... widow, mother, children, etc.
Seventies Soulchild: Yes he had about 5 or 6 other siblings
Khathu: have a great day and fantastic week everyone
alt: Oops too late AyWalton has split
Seventies Soulchild: birth years range from about 1840 to 1860
alt: guess the question is really who applied for the pension in this case.
Seventies Soulchild: Spivey, they took witness statements, the investigators statements any certificates to prove relationships. etc.
Selma: When was this pension applied for seventies?
Seventies Soulchild: I'm guessing that my gggrandfather applied on her behalf. Since she stayed with him 1890
alt: yes CW pension applications are full of affidavits & depositions
Spivey: Did they document her birth Seventies Soulchild?
Seventies Soulchild: Approved in Sept 1891 when the Dept of the interior was still in charge of it
alt: to prove relationships to the CW veteran if wasn't applying for the pension himself
Seventies Soulchild: No just her death because they had to stop the pension but the witness statement from her son-in-law says she lived to be 102
Selma: When did she die?
Seventies Soulchild: August 1910
alt: so Seventies Soulchild, he received a pension died, and then his widow applied for his benefits?
Seventies Soulchild: Charles jr had no wife or children so the pension & bounty defaulted to his parents.
Selma: She would have been born approx 1808?
Spivey: Well, can you guesstimate Seventies Soulchild based on the birth dates of his siblings? Like, how many years were between them one, two, three, and guesstimate about when he was born? You said the births took place between 1840 and 1860 and he was the oldest?
Seventies Soulchild: The 1870 census states 1815 I suspect he was the oldest In 1900 she was listed as 85
alt: this is an interesting 'case'... I sure wasn't aware of any 'bounty' when dealing with CW pension records...you learn sumpin' new everyday
Seventies Soulchild: I've been trying to print to MSWord so I can post the images on my blog, but no such luck
Selma: I just looked at some records the other day..folks were getting 300 bounty for 3 year enlistment
alt: really!!!!!
Seventies Soulchild: Wow...
Selma: Yes alt.. really...LOL..I mentioned a couple of months ago about bounties but you said they didn't or you hadn't seen, but they were
Seventies Soulchild: I thought a bounty was part of the contract? I'd seen it on other service records on ancestry
Selma: This listing was of USCT enlisitng from Southside VA, Surry, Southampton, Sussex.. etc... It was where I saw the reference to Tortaguas..someone said there was a prison there..I am going to check
Seventies Soulchild: ok that conversation...
alt: Hmmnnn 3 year enlistment... yet AA's and USCT didn't come into existence before the later part of 1863 and the war was over in 1865... Hmmmnnn LOL
Selma: Hold on will look when these enlistments took place..
Seventies Soulchild: Poor Charles Jr. died in 1863
alt: not doubting Selma, just trying to learn. Charles Jr. is he the CW veteran Seventies Soulchild?
Seventies Soulchild: yes I'm browsing now to see if I can find an age on his service card.
alt: and USCT's weren't being enlisted prior to 1863... WOW that's sumpin'
Seventies Soulchild: a side note, I saw that someone has the 50th roll in their private collection
deannie: The new season of History Detective starts tomorrow
Seventies Soulchild: they posted their website on the boards here.
Selma: I gotta go back and copy the whole book...
Seventies Soulchild: And that really stinks because I would like to see if he appears on their rolls. That would have the information about his age,where he was born etc
alt: hehehehehehe @ Selma
Selma: BRB
alt: yes Seventies Soulchild, his enlistment papers should give age at the time of enlistment.
Seventies Soulchild: hah the information was just staring me right in the face! He was 23 when he died so he would've been born about 1840 I just get into these narratives, which has a lot of information about the family
Spivey: Sounds like something I would do, Seventies Soulchild!
alt: MY CW ancestor was 42 y/o at the time of his enlistment... according to his papers... I couldn't believe they took men that old, but Bennie McRae said that was a common practice for 'older' black men to enlist.
Seventies Soulchild: Because those statements are made to establish relationships of the beneficiary to the soldier That's older,BUT they have upped the age of military enlistment to 43 in the Army this year....
alt: I know Seventies Soulchild, but we're talking about the CW timeframe and 40 years of age was getting up there in the mid 1800's. what was the life expectancy of black men in the mid 1800's?
Seventies Soulchild: Yes,but I would think that the men in their 40's would be in pretty good working shape. That was just a side note, alt... now your CW vet came out of ohio?
alt: yes...and he enlisted in PA... Camp Penn to be exact. in 1863... fought at James & Edisto Island in SC was mustered out in Beaufort SC in 1865
Seventies Soulchild: ok did he go straight home or stayed in South Carolina for awhile?
alt: http://mydatabase.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=mydatabase&view=62&sort=0&albumid=4&photoindex=0&rand=543376455
Selma: Ok back.these enlistments are running from 1863 to 1864
alt: enlistment record of peter Allen
Selma: Not all are listed as receiving bounties.. John Reed age 22, enlisted in NNews 10/03/1864 for 3 years, 100 bounty paid Good number of these were mustered out in Brazos Texas
alt: Selma.. I see the 3 year enlistment period ... wonder if Peter Allen received a 'bounty'?
Selma: This one is interesting..
alt: http://tinyurl.com/2g3gyth
Spivey: http://tinyurl.com/24mzy7u
Seventies Soulchild: Says he was supposed to for $100
alt: papers for peter Allen
Selma: James Diggins, born Southampton, 1/11/1865 enlisted in Lancaster PA
Seventies Soulchild: Nice enlistment certificate alt
Selma: Mustered 9th district for 1 year Substitute for David Roseborough All these men were said to have been born in Southside VA counties..most enlisted from this areas, but a couple from NC
alt: I have his enlistment, service records & discharge papers Seventies Soulchild ... he died in 1877 and was a widower so there was no pension papers filed
Selma: or in this case in PA
vkn: Good Sunday Each and All
Seventies Soulchild: hello vkn
Selma: You have the best documents atl... LOL
Spivey: Good afternoon Miss vkn.
Selma: Happy Father's Day alt..I forgot
alt: thank you Selma.. Anita took me out for Breakfast... lazy woman LOL
Seventies Soulchild: I'm tellin! lol
alt: I expected breakfast in bed LOL LOL LOL
Selma: I had the pleasure of meeting Anita...trust me she can handle him.. LOL
Seventies Soulchild: lol
vkn: AYW gave an excellent report on one Samford exerscise last night Read the log http://tinyurl.com/2aqzb5c Happy day Alt
alt: thank you very much vkn
Seventies Soulchild: i have about 10 windows open right now lol
Selma: you know its interesting how folks can get focused on one particular thing, in this case age...
vkn: Seventies Soulchild are you looking to crash LOL
Seventies Soulchild: lol I won't crash
Selma: Anita must of popped him on the side of his head
Seventies Soulchild: ok I'm looking at the brick wall exercise
vkn: Indeed Selma and the associated age discrimination
vicky: Hi everyone, good morning!!!
vkn: Also when time permits take a read of the post from parkin24
vicky: shoot, sure wish I could scroll back
Selma: Where is that vkn?
vkn: http://tinyurl.com/2conj4x
Seventies Soulchild: Hi Ingrid_Doweary
deannie: I have to run....have a great day....do genealogy everyday that ends with a y
Seventies Soulchild: The west coasters are coming in...
Ingrid_Doweary: Hey Alt, Deannie, Vicky, Selma, Seventies, Spivey and vkn
Selma: OK deannie..
vkn: she GIVES so much across all forums and still deals at home. A true Hero
Selma: don't leave us too many days to do anything else.. LOL
Spivey: Hi Ingrid_Doweary!
vicky: hello there alt
Selma: Not that it mattered..but
alt: naw, # 1 son stopped by for a quick minute... Anita didn't 'pop me' Selma LOL
Selma: Thats what I thought vkn
vicky: lol @ alt
Selma: Heck #1 son should be taking you out for a round of golf
Seventies Soulchild: lol
vicky: I got my card from the kids this morning
Seventies Soulchild: y'all are too funny! Now is that #1 son chronologically or your favorite?
vicky: usually they include a bag of marbles or a deck of baseball cards :?
alt: chronologically Seventies Soulchild he be 56 and a g-papa himself
vkn: vicky GOOD for your kids. Little is recognized about the fathering role of mother's
Seventies Soulchild: wow that's young to be a great granddaddy!
vicky: yep for sure vkn!
Seventies Soulchild: oh oops I read that wrong! lol
vicky: lol @ seventies
alt: he has a son 31, dau 29 & dau 27 and they all have kids ... too may kids LOL LOL
vkn: Vicky and ALL we need more in depth discussion about our role as fathers
Seventies Soulchild: lol alt...you can never have too many children...
alt: oh yes you can LOL lOL
vkn: I have six Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: Well hey some of the people I went to school with are grandparents before they even made 40
alt: is that right vkn... didn't realize you had 6 children.
Seventies Soulchild: Six is a good round number.
vkn: I have six Seventies and some days one is two too many other days I could do twelve LOL
Selma: Thats why she is SO good at being in charge alt..and multi tasking
vkn: LOL LOL LOL
Seventies Soulchild: I only have two
alt: I can understand that Selma .. vkn be's organized LOL
Seventies Soulchild: My BFF has 4...lol
vkn: Only is good
Seventies Soulchild: If I was married I'd probably have six too vkn babies are just so adorable.
vkn: okies not touching that
Seventies Soulchild: Hey this is the genealogy forum families is what we do! lol
vkn: families is what we search
alt: Selma .. can da Tiger do it today? another 66 and he's in LOL
Selma: We'll see alt..what time does it start? Babies are cute..and then they grow up..
alt: it starts at 3:00 don't know his tee-time, but he is in the next to last group
vkn: true selma
vicky: lol @ Selma
Seventies Soulchild: Anyone still watching the FIFA World Cup?
Selma: and they are still cute, but they don't smell as good.. LOL
Ingrid_Doweary: I'm not watching it, but it's still on.
alt: off and on Seventies Soulchild .. I'm not much into Soccer.
vicky: you mean they are too big now to burrow into their little tummies Selma lol
Seventies Soulchild: lol Selma
Selma: The tummies are over the belts..
vkn: But they hug good Selma
vicky: lol lol
Selma: I use to like to burrow into their necks.
Seventies Soulchild: lol lol
vicky: oh yeah!!
Ingrid_Doweary: lol
Seventies Soulchild: Now I wanna eat since Ingrid is eating.... Haven't eaten at all this morning..
Selma: My kids played soccer so they are watching
Seventies Soulchild: Mine too Selma
Ingrid_Doweary: Go for it, Seventies, I'm done eating
vicky: and then along come the grands and we do that process all over again lol
Selma: and that is exactly what I did vicky..and then I sent them home.. LOL
vkn: I have six grandies
vicky: hehehehehe
Selma: I have 5 are we keeping count?
vicky: two for me
alt: oh my... keeping count is good Selma... like I have 5 grandkids and at last count 5 great grand kids....
Selma: Ya gotta catch up vicky.. LOL
alt: Oops 6 great grandkids
vicky: oh noooooo
vkn: No greats here
Ingrid_Doweary: My mother-in-law has 11 grands and 6 grgrands
vicky: any grands Spivey?
vkn: Spivey you sleeping?
alt: well ladies .. I'mouta here so y'all take care.
vicky: ok gotta run now.. Church is calling
Ingrid_Doweary: take care Alt.
Spivey: No Miss vkn, No grands either.
Seventies Soulchild: bye ms vicky & alt
vkn: okies y'all
vicky: ah ok
Ingrid_Doweary: Take care Ms. Vicky.
Spivey: I should say I do, Miss vkn because my niece's children say I am like a grandmother to them. lol
Seventies Soulchild: ok I'm going to do a double look over these new files... have a good afternoon/day all
Ingrid_Doweary: Take care 70s
Spivey: My daughter always said she wasn't gint to have children and she didn't even though she got married. My nephew said he was never going to get married or have children. He is now 40 years old and has done neither one.
Ingrid_Doweary: My youngest daughter told a customer that she herself was too young to have children. The customer was trying to quirt on her. I think my daughter also meant she was not ready to have children. Yeah, Spivey, I believe the affairs of the heart are kind of private.
Selma: Folks gotta run .. takin the little darlins home..
vkn: okies selma Absolutely
Spivey: My daughter's half sister married another woman, and this when her natural born son was about 9 years old. But she had other issues as well. She never knew my ex-husband was her father, always thought it was the man her mother married. She asked me if she should tell the man she knew as her dad, and I said I didn't think that was a good idea, especially since he was on his death bed at the time her mother broke the news to her.
vkn: Moultrie Benham 1877-1938 my dad
Spivey: Moultrie? I have seen that surname many times, in newspapers I think.
Ingrid_Doweary: There's a district courthouse in Washington, DC named after Judge Carl Moultrie. Any relation, Vkn?
vkn: Surname for me is BENHAM
Spivey: Okay.
Ingrid_Doweary: I got it. Probably a long shot.
vkn: There is a Fort in SC named Moultrie that is Civil War related
Ingrid_Doweary: I believe I read somewhere that Langston Hughes was related to Mercer Langston.
Spivey: I think this is a gentleman in Atlanta Georgia or in Savannah. May have passed the name Moultrie down through generations and it became the given name. That often happens.
Ingrid_Doweary: For sure, Spivey
Spivey: I wish my Kelsey family had been more inventive, though. There are tons of males with the given name Abraham. Then, all of a sudden, up pops a Jacques. lol
vkn: MOULTRIE is a name of Slaveholders related to BENHAM and IRBY in SC
Spivey: Aha. There you go!
vkn: and the civil war start really was Fort Moultrie
Ingrid_Doweary: Wow !
Spivey: Well, ladies I have to prepare for my daughter's arrival. She is coming in from Atlanta to spend a week with her momma.
Ingrid_Doweary: Where did you come across the information, Vkn? Good for you Spivey. Enjoy your family visiting.
Spivey: She still wants me to move to ATL Miss vkn, but the mere thought freezes me up. LOL. Have a good Father's day.
vkn: Let no name be unturned
Ingrid_Doweary: Hear hear.
vkn: Have a great rest of the day Ingrid. Hope you are about ready to host a chat
Ingrid_Doweary: Yes let's work on that. Have a great Sunday, Vkn.
vkn: U 2


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New London - In 1988, when Gemma E. Moran started the food pantry that now bears her name, she could never have imagined that today it would be providing food to 100 feeding sites across the region and helping feed 20,000 people a month.
"I strongly believe that no one, especially children, should go to bed hungry," said Moran. "We have to end hunger in New London County."
So it was with a wide grin Friday that Moran, barely able to contain her excitement, announced that the Gemma E. Moran United Way/Labor Food Center has added another tool to combat hunger - a mobile food pantry. It was officially unveiled during a brief ceremony in the parking lot of St. Mary Star of the Sea.
"This is nothing short of miraculous," said Moran. "Imagine the people we can reach, the people who don't have access to food pantries. With this pantry, we can go out to the people who need it the most."
Nancy L. Carrington, Connecticut Food Bank's president and CEO, said that after Tropical Storm Irene in 2011, officials from Connecticut Light & Power approached the organization to ask how it could help the community.
Carrington said the food bank serves six out of eight counties and has found that its greatest asset in times of disasters is its vehicles, as they can get to hard-to-reach areas.
William J. Quinlan, CL&P's senior vice president for emergency preparedness, said the company donated $1 million. A portion of the proceeds was used to purchase three vehicles.
"We're a statewide company with over a million customers across the state," said Quinlan. "We see the impacts of hunger. It has no boundaries. It doesn't discriminate. It's a small token of our appreciation, and we're glad to help."
Thanks to the donation, Carrington said, the food bank was able to give the Moran center the mobile food pantry, which she said is valued at about $125,000. It can hold six pallets of refrigerated food and another six pallets of non-refrigerated food, she said.
"What we're seeing is that more and more people are turning to food banks," said Carrington. "We're seeing people who do have jobs or recently lost jobs turning to food banks because they're economically stressed."
Keith Fontaine, chairman of the United Way board of directors, said the mobile pantry will be able to reach areas known as "food deserts" - areas where, for some residents, supermarkets or larger grocery stores are more than a mile away.
Fontaine said the organization last month released a first-of-its-kind report titled "Nourishing Change: The New London County Food Baseline Report," which examines the health of the region's food system.
The report stated that in the past 10 years there has been a nearly three-fold increase in the demand for emergency food. The Moran center's annual food distribution increased from 843,000 pounds in 2001 to nearly 3 million pounds in 2013.
The study found that there are five census tracts in New London County, including sections of Griswold, Norwich and Groton, that are considered "food deserts."
The issue becomes even more problematic when there is no public transportation to food suppliers; the study found that only 13 of 21 towns in the county have public bus transportation, and countywide, 8,334 households have no vehicle available.
Set up similar to a farmers market, the mobile pantry will distribute fresh fruits and vegetables, foods rich in protein and other healthy food items at sites at the same date and time each month for one to two hours.
Under the truck's awning, tables of food will be set up on both sides of the vehicle. People will be able to bring their own bags and will receive eight to 12 free items.
Sites are determined on where and when the most people in need can be reached. So far, distribution sites in Jewett City, Norwich and Groton have been selected.
Virginia L. Mason, president and CEO of the United Way of Southeastern Connecticut, said that the goal is to make people who go to the mobile food pantry feel as comfortable as possible.
"We treat people with dignity and respect," Mason said, "because it can happen to any of us."
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• St. John's Christian Church, 346 Shennecossett Road, Groton: 10 to 11 a.m. every fourth Friday of the month
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Some time ago a long lost cousin who found me through my Family Tree Maker site sent me the above photo hoping that I could identify the four people in it.
Actually, they are four LeBlanc brothers. The fellow to the far right is my uncle Albert LeBlanc. The other three names are Narcisse, George and Henry but I don't know who is who.
George is my father but of course, I did not know him when he was this young and I didn't know any of my LeBlanc uncles (most unfortunately!). I do suspect that the young man to the left is my father and that the fellow standing to his right is my uncle Narcisse then uncle Henry.
If anyone can identify this photo please let me know. Their parents were Damien S. LeBlanc and OdilleDoiron.
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Naming contest for polar bear cub concludes
A naming contest that the Buffalo Zoo conducted to select a permanent name for its polar bear cub has ended. The cub will keep what started as her nickname among zookeepers and will be officially known as Luna.
The zoo began soliciting name suggestions for the cub via its Facebook page in March. It received hundreds of suggestions from residents of Western New York and around the world. Earlier this month, the cub's keepers narrowed down a few of their favorites. The zoo let the public vote between five choices.
A whopping 82 percent of the tallied votes were for Luna, the nickname keepers gave the cub when she was born.
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Survey says: Skidaway Island's trash cans may be suffering from neglect.
A portion of the island community had the highest amount of litter out of five areas in Chatham County, according to a survey conducted by Keep Chatham Beautiful.
The newly formed nonprofit recently completed the survey as part of its application to become an affiliate of Keep America Beautiful, an organization that encourages residents to take responsibility for improving their environment.
Volunteers drove throughout five specified geographic districts in the county to evaluate the amount and type of litter in various agricultural, commercial, educational, industrial, residential and recreational areas.
Sherry Arnott, executive director of Keep Chatham Beautiful, said teams of two volunteers spent one day last fall surveying about 2 miles of roadways near the entrances to the communities.
"That is what visitors see," Arnott said.
Rating litter on a scale from 1 (no litter) to 4 (extremely littered), the composite score for the county was 1.27. Organization officials attributed the "encouraging" results to garden clubs, volunteers and government leaders.
Among the five areas examined, Tybee Island's surveyed area had the least amount of litter, while Skidaway Island's district had the most. Areas in Garden City, Pooler and Georgetown were also surveyed. Savannah, which has its own beautification organization, was not included in the survey.
The survey was based on litter visibility, frequency and cleanup difficulty. Litter included plastics, paper, glass bottles, cardboard, fast-food containers, bags of garbage and discarded household furniture and appliances.
Volunteers also surveyed for illegal signs, graffiti, junk vehicles, furniture, appliances and vehicle parts.
On Tuesday morning, a ceremony celebrating Keep Chatham Beautiful's affiliation with the national organization was held at the county's recycling center on Eisenhower Drive.
Keep Chatham Beautiful consists of 23 community leaders, representing residents, government and industry. The organization will focus on litter prevention, beautification, community greening, waste reduction and recycling.
Board President Rick Hamilton said the nonprofit's survey can be used as a measurement tool when they conduct periodic reassessments. Hamilton said Tybee officials' active focus on community litter sweeps likely helped it have the least amount of litter of the surveyed areas.
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Friday, 6 March 2009
a poorly computer... and - coming very soon...
But I digress...
I owe you a post on THAT veg box and the amazing chicken, another post on Deal, and probably another one just for good measure. Oh, and I can also tell you about an evening spent at that bastion of old-fashioned Englishness, Simpson's in the Strand. And then I've got some more chocolate to tell you about, too.
But first, I have to go to lunch. Second, I have to cook a huge Indian meal for friends tomorrow - sorry, no pics, won't have time. For the interested, my guru for all things Indian is Madhur Jaffrey, and I'll be making her amazing lamb rogan josh, with tarka dal and a mushroom and pea curry. With naans. And some kind of a tart to follow. Of the edible kind.
And then, finally, I might actually get around to writing a post or two.
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- ♥Rosie♥ said...
Sorry to hear your p.c. has had problems it really sucks when that happens but great to see you back :D
Enjoy your Indian meal :D
Rosie x
- 6 March 2009 at 17:53
- Bellini Valli said...
We have to have a love/hate relationship with our PC's:D
- 6 March 2009 at 18:14
- Manggy said...
Yikes, I think you'd find that computer part prices here in Asia are jaw-droppingly low! :O Can't wait to see the new posts, but please take a moment to breathe if you need one! :)
- 7 March 2009 at 09:02
- Nicisme said...
Oh no, poor compy! My compy sends a get well soon message!!
PS. I adore Madur Jaffrey for all things Indian.
- 7 March 2009 at 15:41
- Pia K said...
Looking forward to more posts, Indian food - minus the lamb bit - sounds lovely, so does the edible tart. I want pictures!
- 7 March 2009 at 18:03
- Margaret said...
Come on then, come on then.....we're all very patiently waiting for some of the photo's!!!
Enjoy your meal.
- 7 March 2009 at 20:00
- Alex said...
Computer problems are a nightmare! Glad it's fixed and you're nearly back to normal!
- 8 March 2009 at 15:48
- aforkfulofspaghetti said...
Rosie - thank you!
Val - don't we just!
Mark - am trying to remember to breathe, I promise...
Nic - my PC says thank you to your compy, and says it's feeling much better now :) Madhur's great, isn't she? Came up trumps again on Saturday, as usual
Pia - I'm getting lazy about taking photos. I'll be better when we get the longer days and more daylight, I promise
Margaret - yes, ma'am!
Alex - my PC's back to normal. Not so sure about me. ;-)
- 9 March 2009 at 13:37
- Heather said...
At least you have an excuse. Garden-variety laziness is all I can blame.
- 10 March 2009 at 16:20
- Cynthia said...
Glad that you did not lose any valuable info.
Hope everything worked out well with your meal.
- 13 March 2009 at 02:10
- Holler said...
I am glad you didn't lose anything, that would have been just heart-breaking. Although the dent in your finances must be a bit nippy.
- 15 March 2009 at 23:17
- Gigi said...
Sorry to hear about your PC problems. No worries we'll be here waiting for you. :-)
- 21 March 2009 at 02:07
- Krista said...
Hope everything is okay, family-wise. Looking forward to your review of Simpson's in the Strand. Was thinking about taking my dad there next week while he's in town.
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Halfway through a sensational first Formula One season with reigning constructors' champion Red Bull, it is easy to see why the Australian is in reflective mood.
Ricciardo returns to the track at next week's Belgium Grand Prix with two race wins in his pocket after he followed up a career-first in Canada with victory last time out in Hungary.
With eight races left to run, the 25-year-old finds himself in the unusual position of being the only driver apart from dueling Mercedes duo Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton to take the checkered flag this season.
"I definitely don't look too far ahead," Ricciardo told CNN's The Circuit at Red Bull Racing's headquarters near Milton Keynes, England.
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"We will see how it's going and try to get a few more wins."
Red Bull's newest recruit is also keen to retain the upper hand over his illustrious teammate Sebastian Vettel, having impressed since making the step up from Red Bull's sister team Toro Rosso.
Ricciardo has out-qualified the four-time world champion at six of the 11 grands prix so far this season, and a 9-2 lead in race position (including his Australian GP result before he was later disqualified for a fuel-flow irregularity).
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Farmingdale, N.Y. – Farmingdale State was defeated by Arcadia University, 3-1, in a non-conference women's soccer game in Farmingdale, N.Y. this afternoon.
Farmingdale freshman forward Rebecca Richman (West Islip, NY / West Islip) scored the games first goal at the 14:50 mark, giving the Rams the early 1-0 lead. Arcadia forward, Stephanie Welch (Port Murray, NJ / Moravian) answered five minutes later to tie the game at 1-1.
In the second half of this defensive game, Welch scored a goal on a penalty kick giving the Knights a 2-1 advantage. Sophomore Jenni Groves (Millville, NJ / Millville) would add the final tally with less than five minutes remaining to seal the victory for Arcadia.
Sophomore goalkeeper Caitlin Howard (Farmingdale, NY / Farmingdale) made six saves in the defeat for Farmingdale State and Arcadia's goalie Jacquelyn Eckert made nine saves.
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Created by Tiffany Studios at the beginning of the 20th century, the windows once adorned a church sanctuary in Ohio but spent decades packed in crates, nearly forgotten, after the church was demolished. In 2001, the angels were found – miraculously, all seven survived intact.
This exhibit educates us about the historical and artistic significance of the works, and archives their evolution and journey. The real beauty though is when the windows are backlit and light streams through the stained-glass which reveals their real beauty.
The significance of this exhibit is that it is here in the historic 1908 residence of Edgar and Mary Jewell Sawyer. Their interior decorations and furnishings of the home were executed by Tiffany Studios, including the bronze grilles, light fixtures and tapestry wall coverings. One of the most recognizable and beautiful Tiffany features is the iridescent landscape themed stained glass window on the landing of the grand staircase.
The In Company With Angels exhibit includes not only the dramatic Tiffany windows, but is accompanied by Living With Tiffany, an exhibit showcasing a collection of lamps, desk sets and other decorative objects created by Tiffany Studios for the home and everyday living.
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According to the new Rabobank U.S. Farm & Ranch Survey, year-over-year income for U.S. farmers and ranchers has improved significantly over findings in the previous two surveys.
"What's happening on U.S. farms and ranches mirrors the global economy – we're beginning to see improvement," said John Ryan, president and chief executive officer for Rabo AgriFinance. "That improvement translates into some encouraging – albeit patchy – signs of recovery."
The Spring 2010 Rabobank U.S. Farm & Ranch Survey results show that U.S. producers report a 24 percent improvement in income since Fall 2009 while about half of U.S. producers state that their income was worse when compared to last year. For example, in the North Central Region in Spring 2010, only 58 percent stated their income is worse. In Fall 2009, 82 percent of respondents said the same thing, demonstrating a 24 percent improvement – and highest regional improvement.
Future income expectations show the highest index value since the inception of the Rabobank U.S. Farm & Ranch Survey in 2008. Producers expect equal amounts of income improvement and income deterioration in the next 12 months.
Despite optimistic perspectives on increasing income, profits may lag. In fact, the survey found that 43 percent of participating producers reported a decline in profitability. Approximately 20 percent more producers reported higher input or "cost of doing business" costs than lower costs.
"U.S. agriculture has always been resilient in the face of many challenges," Ryan said. "Producers are accustomed to the cyclical nature of agriculture and are able to better manage their operations by thinking long term and adapting their operations for the future."
In addition to providing a snapshot of producers' income, the semi-annual Rabobank U.S. Farm & Ranch Survey also looks at the agriculture industry's economic and financial concerns, measures Rural Confidence, and investigates expansion plans.
Agricultural economy and financial concerns
The ag economy remains a concern for 94 percent of producers nearly equally divided by amount of concern – extremely (34 percent), very (30 percent) or somewhat (32 percent) concerned. These concerns vary little regionally. However, the survey results indicate there has been improvement in the ag economy in the South and West, while those in the North Central states are more concerned than they have been in the past.
Looking ahead, more farmers (51 percent) still expect the ag economy to deteriorate compared to improve (17 percent).
Rural Confidence Index
A key measurement of this survey is the Rural Confidence Index, which is calculated as the percentage of producers who believe the ag economy will improve in the next year less the percentage who consider it will get worse.
Since the last survey in Fall 2009, the Rural Confidence Index has improved slightly by three percentage points, standing at -34. While no significant differences are seen between types of farm, farm sizes or regions, the survey shows considerable differences in the Rural Confidence Index within producer groups.
Expansion plans increase significantly
The number of producers planning to purchase, rent or lease new land in the coming year is two and a half times higher than in previous years. While most producers remain cautious in their plans to hire staff to work that land in the coming year, larger producers plan to employ slightly more people compared to smaller producers, who are still planning to shed labor in the coming year.
Additionally, little change has occurred in plans for equipment purchases, with slightly less than one third of farmers planning to make a new equipment purchase in the next year. According to the survey results, however, the most significant changes have been in the decisiveness of producers' intentions.
"Producers are much clearer in whether they are going to purchase a new or used piece of equipment," Ryan said. Part of this translates into a new high in intentions to purchase new equipment since the first survey.
Bigger is better — sometimes
The Spring 2010 Rabobank U.S. Farm & Ranch Survey takes a general pulse of agriculture in the United States. Several survey items illustrate larger farms enjoy economies of scale, which tend to make them more optimistic.
"As with any business, there are benefits and challenges at any size and industry – agriculture is no different," Ryan said. "Every farmer or rancher has unique needs and business considerations. The key is finding the right balance for each operation."
In the North Central and Southern Regions, the larger farms ($1 million to greater than $3 million gross farm income) and those with more than three employees were the most optimistic about future income. Additionally, cost improvements were larger in those North Central Region farms with $1 million to greater than $3 million gross farm income, which suggests economies of scale help producers keep their costs in check.
Larger producers are the most active group in respect to land purchases, where 20 percent of producers plan to purchase with 11 percent planning to sell land. Additionally, larger producers plan to employ slightly larger numbers than lose personnel, compared to the smaller producers who were still planning to shed further labor in the coming year.
However, producers with the perceived most difficult jobs are those operating larger units and those who employ more workers.
Insights from agricultural producers – communicated in the Spring 2010 Rabobank U.S. Farm & Ranch Survey – were gathered by Kaliber Americas using Computer Assisted Telephone Interviews. Nearly 600 interviews were conducted in the last two weeks of March and early April. The sample group had a gross farm income of more than $250,000 with further splits for higher income groups in the three major U.S. agricultural regions.
A copy of the survey as well as regional and further information is available at www.rabobankamerica.com/survey.


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EASIER TO operate than an ATV, a good utility vehicle (UV) can haul moderate loads, scramble over terrain and get you from farm to field quickly in relative comfort. Forget the golf cart pretenders of the past; this new breed of machines is now all-terrain-capable and equipped with functional cargo beds, making them as practical as a mini dump truck.
But which one is the best choice for the farm? To find out, we took 10 farmers from around the country, gave them 10 utility vehicles from different companies, and turned them loose on 700 acres of steep hills, fields and forests at the Caribou Gun Club in south-central Minnesota. We asked these farmers to fill out detailed score sheets and give their honest opinions about each machine. Their comments show that the companies that build these machines are as different in their ideas about what a UV should be as are the farmers who drive them.
Further ATV/UV Reading:
- · How do UVs measure up?
- · All-Wheel-Drive Utility Vehicles
- · Rancher Revised
- · Yamaha Rhino ATV Reviews
Speed limits
From the get-go, our field of machines broke into two distinct categories: the fast and the slow.
Most UVs conformed to the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) standard that utility vehicles should not exceed a 25-mph top speed. Although perhaps prudent from a safety perspective, the speed-limited vehicles found themselves at a distinct disadvantage against the machines from Polaris and Yamaha, both of which chose to ignore the standard in favor of ATV-like top speeds in excess of 40 mph.
After our testers drove a few rounds of field paths and gravel roads, we soon learned that busy farmers tend to get impatient on long, slow trips between jobs. After driving every machine, most of our farmers agreed that although anything faster than 40 mph is probably too fast for sensible farm work, their ideal machine should be able to attain a top speed somewhere in the mid 30s. Such a "happy medium" was not available in any horsepower range, however, leaving us with a pack of trusty turtles lumbering after a pair of wild-riding hares.
Scoring by category
As you read these reviews, keep in mind that picking the best machine depends on what you are going to use it for. Speed is fun and saves time in big fields. But for trundling hay bales, kids and feed around the farmyard, the slowest or easiest-to-use machine may still be your best bet. The machines also differ in price, which is always a consideration.
Also keep in mind that our testers were farmers, not automotive engineers, so these numerical scores are subjective and necessarily unscientific ratings. Each score is an average of the scores given by each of the 10 farmers. Ratings were based on a 5-point scale, with 5 being best, 3 average and 1 poor. For comparison, the lowest-scoring competitor posted a composite score of 3.3, while the highest-scoring competitor posted a 4.2. The top three were separated by a margin of just 0.3.
Each machine had its own specific strengths and weaknesses. In most cases, but not all, farmers said their top-scoring machine would also be the one they'd be most likely to buy for their farm.
Please note the top four vehicles in each of the five performance categories our farmers tested. Out of a field of 10 machines, these were the cream of the crop in each particular category.
Maintenance and service
Most farmers have plenty of tools and their own shop. So unlike a lot of recreational drivers, farmers like to do at least some basic maintenance and service themselves. Our testers inspected each machine to see how easily an owner could get at its oil filter, spark plugs, belts and other items that need periodic replacement. Moreover, the engine configuration had to be intuitive and familiar at first glance. For drivers who prefer to take their UV to the shop for maintenance by an experienced mechanic or technician, this category would be somewhat less important.
Loaded hauling
UVs are supposed to be work vehicles, so we put them to work hauling five 60-lb. bags of salt up and down some steep hills. While this load did not approach the factory-rated limit on any machine tested, it was representative of a typical farm load and enough weight to produce noticeable differences in each vehicle's handling, braking and acceleration performance. As you might guess from these top finishers, engine power, suspension and brakes factored heavily into this event as the UVs hauled the loads up and down hills and over moderate terrain.
Another important consideration was ease of loading and unloading. We made our farmers load at least some of the bags themselves. That meant they rated a high box or a hard-to-operate tailgate latch lower for the extra loading effort it required. A good power dump box such as the Kubota's went a long way in improving a vehicle's score.
Low-speed handling
Farmers often use UVs instead of pickup trucks because UVs can get into tighter spaces. We tested each vehicle for its maneuverability around a tight barrel weave. Farmers drove first forward, then backward through the barrel weave. Comfortable suspension, appropriate low-range gearing, responsive steering, good visibility, balanced weight distribution and tight turning radius factored heavily into picking the top three here.
Interestingly, the smallest machine, the 2-wd Gator, drew many positive comments about its tight turning radius and ability to weave through the barrels, but an uncomfortable, jarring suspension knocked the Gator out of contention for a top-four ranking in this category.
Unloaded off-road four-wheelin'
For some people, the appeal of a UV over an ATV is that a UV isn't as fast and is therefore a safer ride for employees and family members who might drive it. Speed can be an asset, however, on today's large, spread-out farms.
In this event, comfortable-riding UVs that proved they wouldn't take all day to get to the work site and back home again scored better than their slower or more lumbering counterparts. Speed and handling also mean that if you want a UV that's higher on the fun scale, these are the machines to look at.
Overall comfort and styling
Seat comfort, suspension, noise level, controls, amenities such as cup holders and overall product design and quality came into play in this most subjective category of all. For some farmers, this boiled down to the kind of emotional impression each machine invoked for the human behind the wheel.
Polaris Ranger XP
Price: $10,799
THE RANGER XP is equipped with a 700cc, twin-cylinder, electronic fuel-injected engine and will tow 1,750 lbs. or carry 1,500 lbs. in the cargo box. In terms of ride, both loaded and empty, the Ranger's suspension was its most significant advantage. The Ranger has 4-wd but can go places in 2-wd that other machines don't dare to tread in 4-wd mode.
Overall, the Ranger came out on top largely because of its strength across all categories, outperforming the competition at both work and play. For example, Tom Henry named the Ranger as his favorite of all the UVs. "I liked the composite box and lift dump," he said, "and I loved the 41-mph top speed."
However, a few of the farmers had suggestions for improvement: "The pedals are too close to the seat and too close together for people wearing boots," Clark McPheeters said. "The turning radius could be tighter; throttle input in the corners and disengaging the rear differential lock and 4-wd helped a great deal."
For more information, contact Polaris Industries, Dept. FIN, 2100 Hwy. 55, Medina, MN 55340, 800/765-2747, visit www.polarisindustries.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 200.
Yamaha Rhino 660
Price: $9,199
WITH AN emphasis on innovative design and screaming performance, Yamaha tends to configure its machines differently than most. The half UV/half ATV Rhino is no exception. At 54.4 in. wide, the Rhino is more than 5 in. narrower than the Ranger. The Rhino's 660cc, single-cylinder engine is carbureted and tuned to produce mega power and a top speed of 42 mph.
For maintenance, the Rhino's oddball configuration resulted in a lot of head scratching and grumbling during the maintenance portion of our evaluation. For example, Abe Hodgen said that the Rhino has "great handling and power, but the oil filter will definitely make a mess during changes."
Out on the course, however, the Yamaha came back strong on off-road performance, attacking steep hills, stream crossings and terrain like its wild beast namesake. Some farmers grumbled about Yamaha's insistence that all drivers wear a helmet and three-point seat belt on the Rhino, but most realized the safety precautions were a good idea as they approached too-fast speeds out in the field. Being the sportiest of the bunch, the Yamaha also had the smallest payload, with only a 400-lb. bed capacity.
Some of the drivers thought the Rhino's speed made it better suited for recreation than for work. "The fun factor is high, but might not be the right fit for farm work," Tom Henry said.
However, Kent Lock stated, "The Rhino would be my choice for an all-around cattle operation machine. I like the high road speed and smaller size of the Rhino that would allow you to load it into a pickup truck. The bucket seats and three-point seat belts are a good idea. So is the push bumper and the plastic-lined bed."
For more information, contact Yamaha Motor Corp., Dept. FIN, 6555 Katella Ave., Cypress, CA 90630, 714/761-7300, visit www.yamaha.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 201.
Kubota RTV900
Price: $9,995
THE KUBOTA, despite its 25-mph speed limit, nearly overtook the speedsters in top scoring with its speed-limited but torquey diesel engine, industrial-strength frame and superior hauling abilities. Its 1,630-lb. payload and 1,323-lb. towing capacity, 3-range hydrostatic transmission and 5-gal.-per-minute hydraulic couplings for running accessory tools or small implements made the Kubota the most tractor-like of all the UVs we tested. The Kubota's 3-cyl., 4-cycle, diesel, OHV engine stoically pumped out 21 hp without drama. Easy-to-read dash gauges, cup holders and a comfortable, roomy seating area also served the Kubota well.
Kubota did the best in maintenance and service, dominating that category. It also did very well in off-road ability and heavy hauling, with an impressive dump box. But a hydrostatic transmission that some farmers had a personal bias against, no gasoline engine option and an annoyingly sticky shifter counted against the Kubota. Always skeptical, our farmers didn't seem satisfied with the Kubota rep's promise that the shifter would loosen up with use.
Tom Henry said, "I like the quiet diesel engine and the hydraulic dump box but really did not like the hydrostatic transmission on the Kubota; abrupt jerky stops when I let off the gas made me feel out of control. The shifter is sticky. Overall, my least favorite machine. This one might have a place in the right application, but it's not for me."
But Abe Hodgen declared, "I like this machine. It is smooth, maneuverable, and has great engine braking downhill. I also like the dump box."
Jeff Ryan said, "I like the hydrostatic transmission and payload capacity. But shifting between gears is difficult and not smooth. As soon as Kubota can get their UV to shift better, I'll probably buy one."
For more information, contact Kubota Tractor Corp., Dept. FIN, 3401 Del Amo Blvd., Torrance, CA 90503, 888/458-2682, visit www.kubota.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 202.
Further ATV/UV Reading:
- · How do UVs measure up?
- · All-Wheel-Drive Utility Vehicles
- · Rancher Revised
- · Yamaha Rhino ATV Reviews
Land Pride Treker 4410
Price: $8,645
WITH ONE of the most comfortable and consistent packages in the bunch, the Land Pride Treker proved to be a pleasant surprise in its first appearance in the FIN Rodeo. Powered by a 20-hp Honda gasoline engine, it impressed in all the hauling categories, living up to its 900-lb. rated cargo bed capacity and 1,250-lb. towing capacity. The Treker placed strongly in overall comfort, styling and accessories with wide seats and convenient cup holders.
Drivers especially liked the Treker's autolock differentials that sense wheel slip and lock automatically. The differentials also have built-in overrunning clutches that allow the fast wheel to run ahead in turns, so the rider doesn't get as fatigued in turns and the wheels don't tear up the ground. The in-dash shift lever is also integrated with the parking brake, eliminating the need to deploy the brake, or the possibility of driving away with the parking brake engaged. For water-crossing ability, the Treker has a fully enclosed and sealed torque converter and an air intake that is located at the high point of the chassis. It had no problem crossing streams.
A few of the testers mentioned the Treker's turning radius as being "a limiting factor." Scott McPheeters said the Treker has a "very wide turning radius" and a "somewhat spongy ride."
Tom Henry said, "I like the parking brake integrated with the shifter. But the Treker engine is underpowered and the machine feels tippy. Turning radius is not very tight."
For more information, contact Land Pride, Div. of Great Plains Mfg., Dept. FIN, Box 5060, Salina, KS 67401, 785/823-3276, visit www.landpride.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 203.
Kawasaki Mule 3010 Trans
Price: $9,599
KAWASAKI scored well for overall quality, maneuverability and an engine so quiet that our farmers had to listen twice to make sure it wasn't running before they cranked the starter.
This particular Mule was a higher-priced deluxe model, impressing farmers with a versatile and ingenious cargo box that can be quickly transformed from a long-bed work machine to a short-bed people hauler with an extra bench seat behind the driver. Box payload is 400 lbs. in four-person mode or 800 lbs. in two-person mode.
The Mule had some strong support among farmers who liked its quiet engine, handling around the barrels and good off-road performance. Improvements in loaded hauling and top-end speed would have helped the Mule's overall rating.
Kent Lock stated, "The Mule is quiet and well designed. I found nothing really bad about it. Obviously well thought-out in every detail. It rides well and the four-passenger configuration would be great for hauling hunters to the field. The dump box was a bit awkward to use though."
Dale Koester agreed: "The Mule was the quietest machine to operate. I liked the second bench seat option, but latching the box and dump was a hassle."
For more information, contact Kawasaki Motors Corp., Dept. FIN, Box 25252, Santa Ana, CA 92799, 800/661-7433, visit www.kawasaki.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 204.
Bobcat 2200
Price: $8,900 for gas, $10,800 for diesel
WE TESTED both a diesel- and a gasoline-powered Bobcat 2200. Though the same vehicle is also sold under the Club Car brand, our drivers found that this industrial-strength machine has little else in common with golf carts. Although the farmers preferred the Bobcat's Kubota-built diesel for its added torque, they rated both the gasoline and diesel machines well in maintenance and serviceability, hauling and unloaded handling. Rated payload is a generous 1,100 lbs. in the cargo box and 1,200 lbs. towing.
Bobcat shined the brightest with its IntelliTrak automatic differential lock 4-wd. With no need to be manually shifted into 4-wd, both machines provided outstanding traction and easy shifting. If anything held the Bobcat back, it was short suspension travel that resulted in a relatively low score on overall comfort, handling, and, to a lesser degree, braking. The roll-over protection system (ROPS) on both machines also rattled excessively, perhaps giving an unfair impression of lower quality than these machines deserved.
Jeff Ryan said, "The Bobcat offers outstanding agility, but a rough and loud ride."
Paul Gervais agreed, saying the Bobcat gave "a very rough ride" and had "a noisy bed and rollbar [ROPS]." He said he "liked the seat and adjustable steering wheel."
However, a couple of the drivers had mostly positive comments about the Bobcat. "The Bobcat has pep," Shirley Hodgen said. "It handles the hills and mud better than I thought it would. The more I drove it the better I liked it, though it could use a better suspension."
Kent Lock said the Bobcat has "great four-wheel traction and mud protection for the driver."
For more information, contact Bobcat Co., Dept. FIN, Box 6000, West Fargo, ND 58078, 866/823-7898, visit www.bobcat.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 205.
Price: $8,500
The E-Z-GO vehicle won the hearts of several drivers who deemed it "most improved" from the last FIN UV Rodeo. Departing from the previous golf cart design, the E-Z-GO UV is now a legitimate competitor in overall performance, especially in low-speed maneuverability and hauling capacity. Shirley Hodgen called the UV "the most improved of all contenders." She said, "It used to be a golf cart. Now it's a real machine with nice touches like an electric dump box and bed stake holders for larger loads. There's also a place for a cell phone holder — nice! The lighted gauges were good, but the dashboard symbols were confusing."
However, despite a max payload capacity of 1,100 lbs. in the cargo bed and 1,500 lbs. towing capacity, high expectations from the 18-hp Honda gas engine were not met. The ST lost ground on engine power and performance.
"Great 4×4 characteristics, but needs more power," Abe Hodgen commented.
Clark McPheeters agreed: "On-the-fly shifting and 4-wd makes the E-Z-GO easy to drive, though the machine could use more power and easier-to-understand dash symbols."
Tom Henry said, "I like the 2-in. receiver hitches and the three-person bench seat. It did okay on the stream crossing, but the E-Z-GO is short on power and the rear suspension is sloppy. The parking brake pinched my fingers. Perhaps they should stick to golf carts."
For more information, contact E-Z-GO Textron, Dept. FIN, 1451 Marvin Griffin Rd., Augusta, GA 30906, 800/241-5855, visit www.ezgo.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 206.
Deere Gator 2×4 ($6,999) and Gator HPX 4×4 ($9,399)
THE GATORS ranked among the best in ease of service and maintenance. And the smallest Deere handled the low-speed barrel weave better than any other machine. But despite many of our farmers' penchant for John Deere green, most were disappointed with the overall performance of Deere's Gator lineup.
Though deer are supposed to be speedy, nimble creatures, our farmers agreed that the Deere Gators lacked power to adequately get anywhere quickly or handle large loads. The Deere with the 13-hp engine managed to reach 20 mph. The 20-hp 4×4 labored to a speed-limited 25 mph.
Both machines provided bumpy rides not only over terrain but on flat gravel roads as well. They also got stuck in the mud more often than any other machine. Our farmers did their best to find something honest, but kind to say about two green machines that are long overdue for a redesign.
"Despite being grossly underpowered, the 2-wd Deere handled the barrel weave course surprisingly well — up, down, forward and back," Tom Henry commented.
Shirley Hodgen said the Deere machines were so slow that her "cows could outrun them. "But," she added, "I'm more confident in Deere's maintenance and service than that of any of the other companies. I can't afford to wait around for repairs and parts. Deere service has a proven track record with me. The 2-wd did handle well around the barrels, and with its small engine, the Deere was the quietest of all the machines."
For more information, contact John Deere Commercial & Consumer Equipment Div., Dept. FIN, Box 13603, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, 800/537-8233, visit www.deere.com or www.freeproductinfo.net/fin, or circle 207.
|1. Kubota RTV900
|2. Polaris Ranger
|3. Deere Gator
|4. Bobcat 2200 diesel
|1. Polaris Ranger
|2. Yamaha Rhino
|3. Kubota RTV900
|4. Bobcat 2200 diesel
|1. Polaris Ranger
|2. Yamaha Rhino
|3. Bobcat 2200 gas
|4. Kubota RTV900
|1. Polaris Ranger
|2. Yamaha Rhino
|3. Bobcat 2200 diesel
|4. Kawasaki Mule
|1. Yamaha Rhino
|2. Kubota RTV900
|3. Polaris Ranger
|4. Land Pride Treker
|FIN score
|Polaris Ranger XP
|700cc, 40 hp, EFI
|1,500 lbs.
|Yamaha Rhino 660
|660cc, 42 hp, single cylinder
|400 lbs.
|Kubota RTV900
|900cc, 20 hp, 3 cyl., diesel
|1,630 lbs.
|Land Pride Treker
|614cc, 20 hp
|900 lbs.
|Bobcat 2200
|719cc, 20 hp, diesel
|800 lbs.
|Kawasaki Mule 3010
|617cc, 20 hp, V-twin
|800 lbs.
|620cc, 18 hp
|1,100 lbs.
|Bobcat 2200
|614cc, 20 hp, gasoline
|800 lbs.
|Deere Gator HPX
|617cc, 20 hp, V-twin
|900 lbs.
|Deere Gator 2×4
|401cc, 13 hp, V-twin
|900 lbs.
|Deere Gator 4×2
|401cc 13 hp V-twin
|900 lbs
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Special thanks go to the Caribou Gun Club in Le Sueur, MN, for its outstanding, friendly services and use of its beautifully maintained grounds and facilities.
And finally, we thank our Team FIN farmers who generously gave their time and expertise to ensure the success of the 2005 FIN UV Rodeo.


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Potato Salad Plus
2 cans potatoes (16 ounces each)
1 can green beans (16 ounces)
1 can carrots (16 ounces)
½ cup chopped onion
¼ cup vinegar
2 tablespoons vegetable or olive oil
1 teaspoon garlic powder
2 teaspoons dill weed
Open canned items. Drain and rinse vegetables. Cut potatoes into bite-sized pieces.
Mix potatoes, beans, carrots and onions in a large bowl.
In a small bowl, mix together vinegar, oil, garlic powder and dill.
Add dressing to vegetables, stir and chill.
Flavors of Fiesta
by University of Illinois Extension
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Pace: Iran Complicit in IED Attacks on Coalition
By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
However, he said, officials are unsure what level of Iranian government is part of this complicity.
Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is visiting U.S. Pacific Command areas.
As Pace spoke to leaders at the National Institute of Resilience, the Indonesian senior military college, leaders at the institute asked him about proof that Iran is sponsoring IED attacks in Iraq and supporting Shiite terrorist groups.
Officials in Baghdad this week said coalition and Iraqi forces have discovered bomb-making materials that have come from Tehran. These include "explosively formed projectiles" that can be used against heavily armored vehicles, such as Bradley fighting vehicles and Abrams tanks.
Coalition forces also have captured Iranians during attacks against two bomb-making cells in Iraq.
"The Iranian government must know that we have discovered their weapons," Pace said. "And they certainly do know -- because they asked for them back -- that we have found Iranian citizens involved in this. What I do not know is if the number one, number two, number three leaders of their government, whether or not they are directing or not directing these actions."
The general said he wanted to be as precise as possible about Iranian involvement. "What I said was that I do not know the level inside the Iranian government that knows about or is complicit in it," he said.
But officials at some level in Iran do know about this. "That activity against our soldiers and Marines in Iraq is unacceptable," he said. "We will keep being aggressive inside Iraq going after these networks."
Pace said earlier in his trip to Australia and Indonesia that there is "zero chance" of the United States going to war with Iran. He said many times to audiences in both Australia and Indonesia that the United States will use diplomatic pressure to get Iran to stop its actions in Iraq and to get Iran to stop research on developing nuclear weapons.
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(Reuters) - The National Football League said on Monday that officials made a mistake late in Sunday's regular season finale between the San Diego Chargers and Kansas City Chiefs that could have altered the playoff field.
Chiefs kicker Ryan Succop missed a potential game-winning field goal from 41 yards with four seconds left in regulation but should have had another chance from 36 yards had San Diego been assessed a five-yard penalty.
"On the play, San Diego lined up with seven men on one side of the snapper. This should have been penalized as an illegal formation by the defense," the NFL said in a statement.
"The NFL Rule Book states that 'No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap.' The rule was adopted this year as a player safety measure."
The Chargers (9-7), who needed a win or tie to reach the playoffs, clinched the AFC's sixth and final postseason berth with a 27-24 overtime win.
But if the correct call was made and Succop connected on the second attempt, the Pittsburgh Steelers (8-8) would have claimed the AFC's final playoff seed based on a tiebreaker.
Reporting by Andrew Both in Cary, North Carolina; Editing by Frank Pingue