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|GemFire 6.6
|Interface Summary
|Supports modification of certain region attributes after the region has been created.
|Caches are obtained from the
CacheFactory.create() method.
|User-defined objects that can be plugged into caching to receive callback notifications.
|A region- or entry-related event affecting the cache.
|A listener to handle region or entry related events.
|Allows data from outside of the VM to be placed into a region.
|Defines common statistics information for both region and entries.
|The CacheTransactionManager interface allows applications to manage
transactions on a per
Cache basis.
|A user-defined object defined in the
RegionAttributes that is
called synchronously before a region or entry in the cache is
ClientSession represents a client session on the server.
|This is the contract that a
custom-expiry element must honor.
|An object that can be described in a declarative caching XML file.
|Provides disk storage for one or more regions.
|Factory for creating instances of
|Deprecated. as of 6.5 use
DiskStore instead
DynamicRegionListener is an interface that can be
implemented to handle dynamic region-related events.
|Contains information about an event affecting an entry, including its identity and the the circumstances of the event.
|Gemfire Context passed to
PartitionedResolver to compute the
data location
|The EvictionAttributesMutator allows changes to be made to a
|Implementers of interface
FixedPartitionResolver helps to
achieve explicit mapping of a "user defined" partition to a data member node.
|GemFireCache represents the singleton cache that must be created in order to use GemFire in a Java virtual machine.
InterestRegistrationEvent encapsulated interest
event information like region and keys of interest.
InterestRegisterationListener provides the ability for
applications to be notified of interest registration and unregistration
|Provides a set of APIs to help the
implementation of the
CacheLoader load method.
|Attributes that define the partitioned character of a Partitioned Region.
|Implementers of interface
PartitionResolver enable custom
partitioning on the
|Manages subregions and cached data.
|A key-value pair containing the cached data in a region.
|Defines attributes for configuring a region.
|Contains information about an event affecting a region, including its identity and the circumstances of the event.
|A listener that can be implemented to handle region membership events.
|A listener that can be implemented to handle region reliability membership events.
|A RegionService provides access to existing
regions that exist
in a
GemFire cache.
|Contains information about an event affecting a region reliability, including its identity and the circumstances of the event.
SerializedCacheValue represents a serialized cache value.
|An event that describes the culmination of an entire transaction.
|The TransactionId interface is a "marker" interface that represents a unique GemFire transaction.
|A listener that can be implemented to handle transaction related events.
|A callback that is allowed to veto a transaction.
|Class Summary
|Creates instances of
|Factory class used to create the singleton
cache and connect to the GemFire singleton
distributed system.
|Enumerated type for region data policy.
|Deprecated. as of 6.5 use
DiskStoreFactory instead
|DynamicRegionFactory provides a distributed region creation service.
|Configuration for dynamic region factory.
|The action that an
EvictionAlgorithm takes.
|The algorithm used to determine when to perform an
|Attributes that describe how a
Region's size is managed
through an eviction controller.
|Enumerated type for expiration actions.
|Immutable parameter object for accessing and setting the attributes associated with
timeToLive and
|This abstract class represents attributes that define the characteristics of a partition in a Fixed Partitioned Region.
|Enumerated type for region subscription interest policy.
InterestResultPolicy is an enumerated type for a
register interest result.
|Specifies how access to the region is affected when one or more required roles are lost.
|Configuration attributes for defining reliability requirements and behavior
for a
|Deprecated. as of GemFire 5.0, use
DataPolicy instead.
|Enumerated type for an event operation.
A factory that creates instances of
PartitionAttributes which are
used to create a partitioned
RegionFactory is used to create
in a
|Provides information on presence or absence of a
required roles.
|Specifies how the region is affected by resumption of reliability when one or more missing required roles return to the distributed membership.
|Enumerated type for region distribution scope.
|Configuration attributes for defining subscriber requirements and behavior
for a
|Enum Summary
|Each enum represents a predefined
RegionAttributes in a
|Exception Summary
|Indicates that the caching system has been closed.
|A generic exception, which indicates a cache error has occurred.
|Thrown when attempting to create a
Cache if one already exists.
|Thrown from the
CacheLoader.load(com.gemstone.gemfire.cache.LoaderHelper method indicating that an error
occurred when a CacheLoader was attempting to load a value.
|A generic runtime exception that indicates a cache error has occurred.
|An exception thrown by a
CacheWriter method.
|Thrown when a problem is encountered while parsing a declarative caching XML file.
|Thrown when a commit fails due to a write conflict.
|Indicates that an attempt to notify required participants of a transaction
involving one or more regions that are configured with
MembershipAttributes may have failed.
|Thrown when a commit fails to complete due to errors
|Indicates that an
IOException during a disk region operation.
|This exception is thrown when two nodes are defined with same primary partitions
|Indicates that a method was invoked on an entry that has been destroyed.
|Thrown when attempting to create a
Region.Entry that already
exists in the
|Thrown when an operation is invoked on
Region for an entry that
doesn't exist in the
|Deprecated. this class is no longer in use
|Thrown when a cache transaction fails to register with the
UserTransaction (aka JTA transaction), most likely the
cause of the
|An exception indicating that a gateway configuration will not work with the remote side of the gateway's configuration.
|An exception thrown by a
IncompatibleVersionException that the client version
was not compatible with the server version.
|Indicates a low memory condition either on the local or a remote
|Indicates that this client cannot contact any queue servers and therefore cannot perform operations that require a queue, such as registering interest.
|Indicates that this client cannot contact any servers and therefore cannot perform operations that require subscriptions, such as registering interest.
|Indicates that the operation that would have otherwise affected the cache has been aborted.
|Indicates a failure to perform a distributed operation on a Partitioned Region after multiple attempts.
|Description of the conditions under which this exception is thrown
When a
PartitionedRegionStorageException message contains
the string:
There are not enough data store members to create a bucket.
|Indicates that an attempt to access the region has failed.
|Indicates that the region has been destroyed.
|Indicates that an attempt to send a distributed cache event to one or more
required roles may have
|Indicates that the requested region already exists when a region is being created.
|Indicates that the region has been reinitialized.
|Indicates that a
Region reliability failure has occurred.
|Deprecated. as of 6.6 exceptions from a remote node are no longer wrapped in this exception.
|A Generic exception to indicate that a resource exception has occurred.
RoleException is the superclass of those exceptions
that can be thrown to indicate a reliability failure on one or more
regions that have been configured with required roles using
|Thrown if statistics are requested when statistics are disabled on the region.
|Thrown when a commit operation of a JTA enlisted cache transaction fails
|Thrown if a
netSearch times out without getting a response back from a cache,
or when attempting to acquire a distributed lock.
|Thrown when the transactional data host has shutdown or no longer has the data being modified by the transaction.
|Indicates that an attempt was made to transactionally modify multiple keys that are not colocated on the same data host.
|Thrown when a
RebalanceOperation occurs concurrently with a transaction.
|This is the superclass for all Exceptions that may be thrown by a GemFire transaction.
|This Exception is thrown in presence of node failures, when GemFire cannot know with certainty about the outcome of the transaction.
|Exception thrown by implementors of
TransactionWriter.beforeCommit(com.gemstone.gemfire.cache.TransactionEvent) to
signal that the current transaction should be aborted.
|Indicates that an attempt was mode to invoke an operation that is not allowed in a transaction.
UnsupportedVersionException indicates an unsupported version.
VersionException is an exception that indicates
a client / server version mismatch exception has occurred.
Provides an implementation of distributed object caching that can leverage GemFire's distribution capabilities. Refer to the programmer's guide for performance guidelines.
Function execution facilitates movement of behavior in the form of
Functions executed using the
Function Execution Service. A Function may generate results from
parallel execution on many members
, or several Cache Servers, or perhaps evaluating
Region data. A ResultCollector collects and
possibly processes those results for consumption. For more information look to the
com.gemstone.gemfire.cache.execute package.
GemFire's distributed caching implementation allows application data to be efficiently shared among multiple threads in a VM, multiple VMs running on the same physical machine, and multiple VMs running on multiple machines. Cached data resides in "regions" whose contents are stored in a VM's heap.
CacheFactory class provides
the entry point to the caching API. A
CacheFactory is
configured to create a "cache instance" that resides in the VM. The cache factory also allows
DistributedSystem to be configured.
Application data is cached in a "region". The
RegionFactory class provides the simpliest
entry point into the Region
Region implements
however, it also provides caching behavior such as data loading,
eviction control, and distribution. Every region has a name and
regions may be nested to provide a cache-naming hierarchy ("parent
regions" with "subregions"). The root regions of the naming hierarchy
(that is, the regions with no parent) are obtained with the
RegionService.rootRegions() method.
Any region may be obtained with the
RegionService.getRegion(java.lang.String) method.
Region properties such as the region's cache loader, data policy, and
storage model are specified by an instance of
RegionAttributes. A region
RegionAttributes object can be specified when creating a
Region data can be partitioned across many distributed system members to create one large logical heap.
The data policy must be set to
PartitionAttributes are used to configure
a partitioned region. A partitioned region can be configured to be
highly available, surviving the loss of one or more system members, by
maintaining copies of data. These extra copies also benefit read operations by
allowing load balancing across all the copies.
Partitioned Regions have the added feature of allowing storage sizes larger than a single Java VM can provide and with multiple Java VMs comes multiple garbage collectors, improving the performance of the entire Region in the face of a full garbage collection cycle.
Partitioned Regions support custom partitioning with the use of a
PartitionResolver and can be
associated together or
colocated to allow for efficient data usage.
class provides methods to facilitate usage of Partitioned
Regions with other features, for example when used in conjunction with function execution.
A region contains key/value pairs of objects known as the region's
"entries". The
Region class provides a number of methods for
manipulating the region's entries such as
invalidate, and
destroy . The following
diagram describes the life cycle of a region entry.
A region's scope attribute determines how the region's entries will be distributed to other caches. A region with local scope will not distribute any of its changes to any other members of the distributed system, nor will it receive changes when another cache instance is updated.
When a change (such as a
put or
invalidate) is made to a region with non-local scope,
that change is distributed to the other members of the distributed
system that have created that region in their cache instance. There
are three kinds of distributed scope, each of which guarantees a
different level of consistency for distributed data. "Global"
scope provides the highest level of data consistency by obtaining a
distributed lock on a region entry before propagating a change to other
members of the distributed system. With globally-scoped regions, only
one thread in the entire distributed system may modify the region entry at a
"Distributed ACK" scope provides slightly weaker data consistency
than global scope. With distributed ACK scope, the method that
modifies the region (such as a call to
Region.destroy(java.lang.Object)) will not return until an
acknowledgment of the change has been received from every member of
the distributed system. Multiple threads may modify the region
concurrently, but the modifying thread may proceed knowing that its
change to the region has been seen by all other members.
"Distributed NO ACK" scope provides the weakest data consistency of all the scopes, but also provides the best performance. A method invocation that modifies a region with distributed NO ACK scope will return immediately after it has updated the contents of the region in its own cache instance. The updates are distributed asynchronously.
The contents of a region (that is, the region's key/value pairs) may be stored in either the JVM's heap or on a disk drive.
A region's "data policy" attribute determines if data is stored in the local cache. The normal policy will store region data in the local cache. The empty policy will never store region data in the local cache. They act as proxy regions that distribute write operations to others and receive events from others. The replication policies may reduce the number of net searches that a caching application has to be perform, and can provide a backup mechanism. The replicated region initializes itself when it is created with the keys and value of the region as found in other caches. The replicate policy simply stores the relicate data in memory and the persistent replicate policy stores the data in memory and disk. The partition policies are used for partitioned regions. The partition policy simply stores the partitioned data in memory and the persistent partition policy stores the partitioned data in memory and disk.
GemFire supports several modes of region persistence as determined by
the persistent data policies and the
RegionAttributes.getEvictionAttributes()'s eviction action
of overflow-to-disk.
The following table summarizes the different modes and their configuration.
|No Disk
|The cache
Region persists no data to the disk.
This is the default configuration.
|Disk for overflow only
|Once the amount of data stored in the region exceeds the eviction controller's threshold, least recently used data is written to disk and removed from the VM until the region's size is below the threshold.
|Disk for persistence
|All data in the region is scheduled to be written to disk as soon as it is placed in the region. Thus, the data on disk contains a complete backup of the region. No information about recently used data is maintained and, therefore, the size of the VM will continue to grow as more data is added to the region. "Disk for persistence" mode is appropriate for situations in which the user wants to back up a region whose data fits completely in the VM.
|Disk for overflow and persistence
|All data in the region is scheduled to be written to disk as soon as it is placed in the region. But unlike "disk for persistence" mode, the least recently used data will be removed from the VM once the eviction controller's threshold is reached.
There are several things to keep in mind when working with regions that store data on disk.
invalidate and
Region.destroy(java.lang.Object)) that remove data from the
cache also remove data from disk. In order for data to be removed
from the VM and not from disk, EvictionAction.OVERFLOW_TO_DISK
overflow} must be used.
will be created. These files are deleted automatically when they
are no longer being used. If a VM crashes it may not clean up its
overflow files. In that case they will be cleaned up the next time
the same region is created.
ExpirationAction), it will also be destroyed on disk.
disk store.
Disk stores are created using the
disk store factory API or by
configuring them in XML using the "disk-store" element.
Region's specify the disk store they are in by setting the
disk store name region attribute.
A put on a region
that is configured to have a disk "backup" (by using a
persistent data policy)
will result in the immediate scheduling of a
disk write according to the region's
disk store
and the disk synchronous region attribute.
The actual backup data is stored in each of the disk store's specified disk
directories. If any one of these directories runs out of space then
any further writes to the backed up region will fail with a
DiskAccessException. The actual file names begin with
If you wish to store a backup in another location
or offline, then all of these files need to be saved. All of the files
in the same directory must always be kept together in the same directory.
It is ok to change the directory name.
When a region with a disk backup is created, it initializes itself with a "bulk load" operation that reads region entry data from its disk files. Note that the bulk load operation does not create cache events and it does not send update messages to other members of the distributed system. Bulk loading reads both the key and value of each region entry into memory. If region also has overflow-to-disk enabled then it will only load values until the LRU limit is reached. If the system property "gemfire.disk.recoverValues" is set to "false" then the entry values will not be loaded into memory during the bulk load but will be lazily read into the VM as they are requested.
A common high-availability scenario may involve replicated regions that are configured to have disk backups. When a replicated backup region is created in a distributed system that already contains a replicated backup region, GemFire optimizes the initialization of the backup region by streaming the contents of the backup file to the region being initialized. If there is no other replicated backup region in the distributed system, the backup file for the region being initialized may contain stale data. (That is, the value of region entries may have changed while the backup VM was down.) In this situation, the region being initialized will consult other VMs in the distributed system to obtain an up-to-date version of the cached data.
A cache loader
allows data from outside of the VM to be placed into a region. When
Region.get(java.lang.Object) is called for a region
entry that has a
null value, the
load method of the
region's cache loader is invoked. The
load method
creates the value for the desired key by performing an operation such
as a database query. The
load may also perform a
search that will look for the value in a cache instance hosted by
another member of the distributed system.
If a region was not created with a user-specified cache loader, the
get operation will, by default, perform a special
variation of net search: if the value cannot be found in any of the
members of the distributed system, but one of those members has
defined a cache loader for the region, then that remote cache loader
will be invoked (a "net load") and the loaded value returned to the
requester. Note that a net load does not store the loaded value in
the remote cache's region.
CacheWriter is a type of event handler
that is invoked synchronously before the cache is modified, and has
the ability to abort the operation. Only one CacheWriter in the distributed system
is invoked before the operation that would modify a cache. A CacheWriter
is typically used to update an external database.
Sometimes cached data has a limited lifetime. The region attributes regionTimeToLive, regionIdleTimeout, entryTimeToLive, and entryIdleTimeout, specify how data is handled when it becomes too old. There are two conditions under which cache data is considered too old: data has resided unchanged in a region for a given amount of time ("time to live") and data has not been accessed for a given amount of time ("idle time"). GemFire's caching implementation launches an "expiration thread" that periodically monitors region entries and will expire those that have become too old. When a region entry expires, it can either be invalidated, destroyed, locally invalidated, or locally destroyed.
interface provides callback methods that are invoked synchronously in
response to certain operations (such as a
put or
invalidate) being performed on a region. The event
listener for a region is specified with the
setCacheListener method. Each callback method on the
CacheListener receives a
CacheEvent describing the operation
that caused the callback to be invoked and possibly containing information
relevant to the operation
(such as the old and new values of a region entry).
Before a new entry is created in a region, the region's eviction controller
is consulted. The eviction controller may perform some action on the region (usually an
action that makes the region smaller) based on certain criteria. For
instance, an eviction controller could keep track of the sizes of the
entry values. Before a new entry is added, the eviction controller
could remove the entry with the largest value to free up space in
the cache instance for new data. GemFire provides
EvictionAttributes that will create an eviction controller
that destroys the "least recently used" Region Entry once the Region
exceeds a given number of entries.
CacheStatistics class
provides statistics information about the usage of a region or entry.
Statistics are often used by eviction controllers to determine which
entries should be invalidated or destroyed when the region reaches its
maximum size.
A "caching XML file" declares regions, entries, and attributes. When
Cache is created its contents can be initialized
according to a caching XML file.
The top level element must be a cache element.
The Document Type Definition for a declarative cache XML file can
be found in
"doc-files/cache6_5.dtd". For examples of
declarative cache XML files see example1, example2, and example3.
Client/Server CachingBack to Top
GemFire caches can be configured in a client/server hierarchy. In this configuration, GemFire cache regions are configured as clients to regions in GemFire server caches running in a separate distributed system. The GemFire servers are generally run as cacheserver processes. Clients are configured with a client cache which has a default pool that manages connections to the server caches which are used by the client regions. When a client updates its region, the update is forwarded to the server. When a client get results in a local cache miss, the get request is forwarded to the server. The clients may also subscribe to server-side events. For more information on the client see the client package. For more information on the server see the server package.
The GemFire cache supports transactions providing enhanced data consistency across multiple Regions. GemFire Transactions are designed to run in a highly concurrent environment and as such have optimistic conflict behavior. They are optimistic in the sense that they assume little data overlap between transactions. Using that assumption, they do not reserve entries that are being changed by the transaction until the commit operation. For example, when two transactions operate on the same Entry, the last one to commit will detect a conflict and fail to commit. The changes made by the successful transaction are only available to other threads after the commit has finished, or in other words GemFire Transactions exhibit Read Committed behavior.
To provide application integration with GemFire transactions, a
TransactionListener with associated
TransactionEvents is provided as a
attribute. The listener is notified of commits, both failed and
successful as well as explicit rollbacks. When a commit message is
received by a distributed member with the same Region, again the
TransactionListener is invoked.
GemFire transactions also integrate well with JTA transactions. If a JTA transaction has begun and an existing GemFire transaction is not already present, any transactional region operation will create a GemFire transaction and register it with the JTA transaction, causing the JTA transaction manager to take control of the GemFire commit/rollback operation.
Similar to JTA transactions, GemFire transactions are associated with a thread. Only one transaction is allowed at a time per thread and a transaction is not allowed to be shared amount threads. The changes made changed by a GemFire transaction are distributed to other distributed memebers as per the Region's Scope.
Finally, GemFire transactions allow for the "collapse" of multiple
operations on an Entry, for example if an application destroys an
Entry and follows with a
create operation and then a
put operations, all three operations are combined into
one action reflecting the sum of all three.
Membership AttributesBack to Top
The GemFire region can be configured to require the
presence of one or more user-defined membership roles. Each
Role is assigned to any number of
applications when each application connects to the GemFire distributed
MembershipAttributes are
then used to specify which roles
are required to be online and present in that region's membership
for access to the cache region being configured.
In addition to specifying which roles are required,
MembershipAttributes are used to specify the
LossAction. The loss action determines how
access to the region is affected when one or more required roles are
offline and no longer present in the system membership. The region can be
made completely "NO_ACCESS",
which means that the application cannot read from or write to that region.
"LIMITED_ACCESS" means that the application cannot write to that region.
"FULL_ACCESS" means that the application can read from and write to that
region as normal. If "FULL_ACCESS" is selected,
then the application would only be aware of the missing required role if it
registered a
This listener provides callbacks to notify the application when required
roles are gained or lost, thus providing for custom integration of required
roles with the application.
ResumptionAction defined in the
MembershipAttributes specifies how the application responds
to having a missing required role return to the distributed membership.
results in no special action, while "Reinitialize"
causes the region to be reinitialized. Reinitializing the region will
clear all entries from that region. If it is a replicate, the
region will repopulate with entries available from other distributed
RequiredRoles provides methods to
check for missing required roles for a region and to wait until all required
roles are present. In addition, this class can be used to check if a role
is currently present in a region's membership.
|GemFire 6.6


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JPMorgan is taken to the woodshed
Top officials at Wall Street giant JPMorgan misled investors, regulators and the public as they maneuvered to mask the size of the more than $6 billion in losses the firm suffered last year when its "London Whale" trades went haywire, a congressional committee charged in a report released Thursday.
The report throws the bank back on the defensive after it spent months trying to downplay the losses and convince investors it had taken care of the problem.
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It also promises to be a headache for all Wall Street banks, adding fuel to the increasingly heated debate over whether Washington needs to move aggressively to crack down, and even shrink, the country's biggest banks.
( Also on POLITICO: JPMorgan faces daunting day over derivatives)
"There were many, many failures here by JPMorgan, some of which I believe are serious and indeed egregious," said Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), who chairs the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations that released the report Thursday and will hold a hearing on the matter Friday.
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the panel's top Republican, said the report is a warning to Wall Street.
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JPMorgan, which cooperated with the investigation, first announced the losses in May and the subcommittee began digging into the details in July.
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In a statement Thursday, the bank said it acknowledged mistakes and worked to correct problems, but it made clear it disagrees with the committee's assertion that there was any intent to mislead.
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Dimon will not be among the JPMorgan officials testifying Friday, but he takes some hits in the report.
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Join Date: Oct 2012
Though it is possible that Kyrie was the first actual human of the group to die: after making the phone call - as per Yasu's instrcution - she's shot... considering your points: Krauss witnessed this, tried to talk some sense into Yasu. However he does not succeed and starts running towards the back door, *bang* another one down. Don't know where exactly his body was placed, if he was actually turned as if running inside he might've run into Nanjo who came to check what is going on.
Forced? Well... it's EP4, not a whole lot we can do here.
Nanjo being reduced to running away is quite fitting for him actually. After seeing all that he'd better get the F out.
First twilight? ... well, if Kanon is the ninth it must've happened already. So what happened there exactly? How did she get Kyrie and Krauss (it'd be so much easier with Rudolf instead) to play along? Good question.
Similiar to how George is probably not mentally prepared to kill everyone for Shannon, despite what a magic scene said.
He got threatened and is no longer reliable or at least conveniently hiding part of his knowledge. There is no red that Rosa never left the parlor in this timeframe (I know I know, dumb and cheap argument, don't tell me ). Therefore, Rosa, who has the master keys, could've killed them; George is not necessary.
So... everything could be done with Rosa in KNM's theory (albeit some ... well, Shkanon has its own weird explanations sometimes, let's just not talk any more about this aspect), though EP4 is even harder and weirder to make sense out of. Except for EP3. But KNM wanted Rosa to be the culprit, what a quandery!
It is a common rule in science that the more you have to change and adapt aspects of your theory, the more special cases exist, the more its credibility has to be doubted. Same here.
And there could be multiple murderers, at least for EP3... Will even implies in EP3 that Eva might've actually killed Natsuhi and Krauss ("the obvious culprit wields a mutable blade", which was clearly her role in that episode). At least I can't remember a rule that there can't be more.
There is an interview where Ryukishi claims that if you do not understand a certain action by Beatrice, you do not understand the story. With Shkanon it's not hard to understand, but I couldn't make the logic work with Rosatrice (and how KNM explained the love duel). Sure, in theory I can accept the notion that Ryukishi might be lying to protect those that found the answer, but to say "if you don't understand this, you don't understand the story" is a mighty strong statement to still lie about.
Well, in general I don't have anything against them or anyone just proposing different and new theories for fun. I personally enjoy trying to make Kyrietrice work (then again, getting her out of the chapel in EP2 was the biggest problem anyway and with loads of assumptions it's possible to twist the red).
Since I'm already posting... I feel bad for bringing up this topic. I'm sorry. So sorry, please don't hit me. Everyone here has to bang their head against this issue at least once, right? Just ignore me.
Spoiler for Protect your sanity, it's EP5 parlor-time:
So sorry. Let's just not discuss this and move on.
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|2013-01-06, 21:02
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Van Dine's 12th. There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed. The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders: the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.
A problem with this rule is Ep8's murder scenerio. Perhaps something like "The Rudolf family is the one true culprit" would work. Of course this rule also wasn't stated in red so who knows.
|2013-01-06, 21:08
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I may be nitpicking, but Kyrie did do something during the chase scene. She helped Krauss in stalling the goats while Kanon cut through the last set of iron bars. Nanjo was the truly useless one.
|2013-01-06, 21:15
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If you want, as Rosa would say it, a Rosa-Wolf you also need a Genji Wolf, as he is the only one alone long enough to kill Kanon/Jessica and and the other 3.
And yes 'we don't know if VanDine truly applies' was one of my base arguments back then too. However, he was allowed to state them in red, so the most likely have a significance.
Another thing to note is that Kanon/Shanon can't be at two places. So they were either with Jessica or Genji. Yet there is another eye witness for Kanon being there, namely Gouda. Genji has no such witness since Kinzo is already dead. he was thus alone during most of the 2nd game.
However a servant must not be the culprit either, without him you can't pin Rosa though.
I wouldn't put it past Rosa to having tried to cheer Maria up pretending to be Beatrice, and running into the masnion afterwards - being seen by Kyrie.
However she was always observed by Battler, if not Knox would require us to get a hint that she had enough ime to kill said 4 people. Not to talk about carying Nanjo out of the room without leaving scrub marks.
The only way out of that room for the two bodies is the window, which is likely since Nanjo is probably pretty heavy. Yet, even then her clothes would be full of blood.
Add the time she needs to change clothes to the time she needs to make the bodies vanish and you can pretty much say that is more than walking to the toilet already.
Still the biggest issue about his theory remains the Beatrice-Battler relationship in my eyes.
We all know how twisted Rosa is, but that goes a bit too far, even for her.
it probably depends on whether the culprit is truly the same for every Episode.
My personal take on it is that its always the same person, solving it would otherhand be truly 'by chance'.
Its not the only thing that doesn't match up.
The George-knocking theory is too bold in my eyes considering how Natsuhi was still walking around at that time. But yeah he is probably right about the clock.
Though don't forget, even if Erika joins up with them, the number of person's won't increase.
|2013-01-06, 22:30
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1) For the second twilight, Rosa was alone (briefly) while going to find Kinzo. Even then, her story of being with Kinzo is definitely false.
2) Rosa is mentioned as having child-strength sedatives in Episode 3.
3) Rosa is mentioned as making dinner for Battler.
4) When Genji knocks on the parlor door to report finding Nanjo & Kumasawa, he wakes Battler up
|2013-01-07, 01:08
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There was something I forgot when I wrote my post yesterday:
EP 2 Natsuhi's room
Gohda closed the door several times yet it always re-opened.
I think we can take this scene literally.
Think about it: You can only see him closing the door and opening it. You never see him taking the key though so it was probably still in the lock on the outside of the room.
Then again we got additional hints in the anime...
ad1) I still knew about that one. This and Rosa called the servants furniture is basically what he builds hi claim upon.
ad2) I think it was just something to stop her tantarums
However if you combine 2, 3 and 4 you could guess that Rosa drugged Battler.
The question is though: If Rosa was the Wolf, she could have, as she said, just shot him.
Picking up the line of thought were she pretended to be beatrice for Maria, she could have just told Maria to face the wall again and kill battler off. You would have 2 wolfs and 1 sheep.
I'm also not sure were she made his dinner as several other rooms than the kitchen are suitable for cooking.
Don't misunderstand I could probably make a sound Rosa-culprit theory, yet there is one other rule to this game: Eva must survive.
So we have to find out how she survived in game one and two.
In game 3 Rosa is already dead, yet Beatrice still appears.
I can't deny that Rosa is the only one who could change herself into a believable beatrice though.(A Kyrie save one that is).
Another problem is the part where Batler becomes the head, with Rosa assisting this even before Rudolf. It wouldn't make sense if she was the culprit.
Rosa's motive would however be money, so one still has to explain the sudden love for Battler, otherwise she lacks a motive. And it notably has to be one where she would still be killing Rodulf, while leaving Battler alone and even giving him the 10 tons of gold.
I wish they'd just do Chiro as an anime, that would make things a lot easier to understand...
|2013-01-07, 05:34
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"Even if we include you" in the person count, this is explicitly stated, "there are only 17" is basically what tells us that, without her, there are 16 = Shkanon. If you say that she doesn't count to begin with, then this red holds no significance whatsoever.
Yes, I see what you mean (possibly at least). Erika might've not been in the fifth game, instead we had Kanon (and in the 6th we had Erika and not Kanon) as humans (so, because of Erika we still have 17, however it's not necessary that she is the 17th). Though her existence is implied by some red (she does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them) ... similiar to how the chapel doors in EP2 are never checked or the infamous knock there is no red stating "Erika is a human on Rokkenjima right now". So, basically Erika would have Kanon's role of nonexistence in EP5.
Another way to look at it, though I'm not sure (EP5 is my weak point) how important Erika is to keep the red statements together for that episode.
... all this is nice and all, but if Erika wasn't there to begin with, we arguably don't even need to solve the issue of all those parlor-scenes. "There is no detective in EP5" is another theory that tries to deal with Ryukishi's mistake, forgot about it though.
Just be aware that her not couting because "she was dead" is also how Rosatrice explains this red.
Though it bears the question why she'd produce a Beatrice-letter later just to have a reason to throw him out later. Just one of many...
Problem is, because he had to fix this, it's already a shackle for the trustworthyness of the theory itself. I mean, anyone can create any number of theories that goings along with the red as soon as we add multiple humans, right?
Though Gohda screwing up is always amusing. EP8 provided the hint for your idea.
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|2013-01-07, 08:41
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But again it's been a while and I don't have the time to actually replay the VN atm.
You could even take Erika being washed ashore as a general outline for her being a substitute body. Then again, if we got a hint about that most of us probably already forgot about it in the meantime. However, it was implied more than one time that there might be a substitute and Erikas very existence does nothing more than proofing that it is possible to bring a substitute body on the island.
Another thing we shouldn't forget is that there are a lot of wordplays with the words 'people' and 'persons'.
Don't forget that at least one character in this story has a multiple personality disorder, so even if you allow Erika to exist as a living entity she won't necessarily increase the number of persons on the island.
So to give the Rosatrice guys a little treat(Yeah I'm against rosatrice so I shouldn't do this... but meh more fun like this...): Assume she projected her love for Rudolf onto battler, and go look for a clue that she was in love with Rudolf.
However you still have to explain why she claimed he was a Wolf throwing him out of the parlor. Well the answer is actually right in front of you guys - though for someone who is against Rosatrice I already said too much to help you guys already.
Also don't forget that she was never as man-mad as people claimed. It is shown early that she always tried to get Maria's father to come back to them, who can't be battler since he was nine back then.
After all Rosa was confirmed dead in several games.
As long as culprits don't change this rules her out as the sole devious entity as there were other deaths after her's.
Again assuming the culprit is the same every time the murders in the 2nd game could have only happened using Genji as accomplice.
It was not EP 8 how I got the idea btw. I remembered a translated Ryukishi interview stating that there were additional, visual only, hints in the anime and re-watched it. I have yet to read EP 8, which I don't really want to do as the outcome changes according to mini games and other player behavior.
As said, you only saw those 3 persons enter the room, you never saw someone taking the key though, so it probably rested in the lock. Now there are only two ways to unlock the door after Gohda locked it from inside:
Either using the Master keys which's locations are unknown to us, due to the fact that Battler was apparently sleeping for some time so Rosa could have either used them herself or let Genji use them. And Rosa is not absolutely forbidden to leave the room. She is however forbidden to leave the parlor for more than the time it takes to get to a toilet and back. Otherwise she'd take the risk that battler would wake up. Even if you assume that she drugged him using the tantrum medicine, you must not forget that the one in question is designed for children, not for adults.
Back o Natsuhi's room though:
For the following scenario lets, for the sake of the argument, assume Rosa is the culprit anyway for a second. In this case she would be represented by Asmodeus and Beatirice (Asmodeus and Rosa have a similar Hair style, Rosa and Beatrice similar hair color)
Now there are a few ways to kill someone as big as Gohda.. :
1 Using a stake up close
2 Using a gun shooting through the
3 Using device X to shoot the stakes
ad1) The nice thing about those stakes is that they are almost never pulled out. The idea in letting them in instead of taking them with you afterwards is that not taking them out results in less blood splashing out of the body.
However, some of it would still stain her dress, even if its just a small amount. She would have to change dresses in order for battler to not see the bloodstain, requiring an extended amount of time since she needs the guesthouse to change clothes.
Maria is not a problem here since she was shown to listen to her mother when told to stay somewhere quite openly and several times too.
However even if she managed to get to the guesthouse and change clothes you would still have to take the storm into account, so even if she did somehow manage to make it back in time she'd be soaking wet. And even if she would have used an umbrella she would have still left footprints on the floor due to her shoes being dirty/wet
The other problem is that it is unlikely that she'd manage to kill 3 people at the same time that way.
ad2) The door was still intact, no hint was given that this was not the case.
ad3) Knox 4th
You see no matter how much opportunity she has, she couldn't have done it without battler noticing. She is also not the only one who could have placed the latter there as the room was never truly inspected for people being in there already.
I'm after the visual clues that will most likely arise from there.
Because there is one thing no one can really explain without arguments having more holes than a sponge: The letter and the knock.
Even if you hide in the mansion as Erika said, you still need to get out of the (locked) mansion afterwards.
The next problem is the time of the knocking itself, even with visuals there would be no way to confirm it really happened at 12 am with the way the red is built. it actually implies that the knock happened before 12 am, which brings us back to the problem of not getting out of the mansion afterwards.
Edit: huge oversight on my part due to not having read EP 8:
Rules for purple truth:
The definition of 'culprit' is 'one who murders'.
■ It is possible for a culprit to lie.
■ It is possible for a culprit to lie even before committing murder.
■ Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.
■ Characters who are not culprits may not cooperate with a culprit.
■ A culprit must carry out all murders directly, by their own hands.
■ A culprit must not die.
■ A culprit must be among the characters appearing in the story.
■ Purple statements are as absolute as red truths. However, the culprit alone may lie with purple statements.
■ Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.
Now some red and see who can suddenly lie using purple:
No, it is possible. A 'culprit' is defined as 'one who murders'. It never says that they have to murder someone who appears in the story. ......In other words. If George committed murder outside the island, sometime before this crime, he could be a 'culprit' without killing anyone on the island, and it would be possible for him to lie.
It wasn't a suicide, it wasn't an accidental death, it wasn't a death by illness! I really was killed by you, Battler-san!!!
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|2013-01-07, 09:38
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And really, in theory all your musings about Battler not sleeping long enough... we're talking Ryukishi, the "food trolley traveling to Kinzo's room over multiple stairs" and "people not getting wet in the rain" Ryukishi. Let's not go into too much detail. Battler might've just fallen asleep naturally anyway - lack of information.
Quite ironic how we're constructing a Rosatrice solution for this case to actually criticise Rosatrice.
I always assumed that Genji (who received the letter before from Shannon) gave the letter to Maria while Rosa and Battler were distracted with Natsuhi's room. Considering that those two were also possible candidates for the "letter in Kinzo's room" in EP1 it wouldn't be too outlandish.
Regarding the knock: a possible way of looking at is ... there was no knock. None of the reds actually confirm this, just that it was impossible for everyone. The narrative we saw is basically just this: everyone agreed that they heard a knock. But nobody actually did knock. Everyone agreed that the letter was placed outside. Everyone agreed that a witch did it. Everyone agreed that Shannon is not Beatrice.
That's the lie everyone is creating together, like a big happy family. It's so convenient when there is no detective around.
But as I said, EP5 is my weak point.
Of course, due to the nature of how Chiru worked, different interpretations to many events are still possible.
If the number of people had been proclaimed as being 16, we wouldn't discuss any of this.
You should read EP8 before using purple truth. It is questionable whether it even applies or is just something Bern made up for her little game (and thus doesn't count for any other game). Don't misunderstand. If purple truth applies however, it would destroy any way for George to be a culprit (since he can only kill children and Maria is still alive at the end). But Yasu has many accomplices herself, some of them can't even kill by the way of the red.
edit: Ah yes, one of the reds Erika used? You shouldn't take this one out of context. Really... just read EP8 before commenting on any of it, generally neither Bern's game nor her purple truth are seen as "canon" for the other episodes (just like the EP7 TP isn't "canon" for Beato's games). At least now I know where you are coming from with your arguments about accomplices.
So, basically, purple truth would make both KNM's Rosatrice (even if George "was a culprit" due to some murder in the past, he still can't kill anyone else than children... Maria said this in purple, are you gonna say that she killed someone in the past?) and Shkanon pretty impossible. It gets even worse if we add the "culprit rules" as well:
Rosatrice would fall apart at Kanon's murder (Nanjo not being an accomplice ... he can't even be one; arguably even the 1st twilight might be impossible in that case), Shkanon already in the 1st twilight (Hideyoshi can't lie about seeing Shannons corpse then). And the further you go, the more problems arise. Unless of course everyone is a murderer from some event in the past (with the exception of Genji, Kumasawa, Nanjo due to the red truth that they are not murderers) but that kinda defeats the point then.
Heck, even before any murders happen... NatKrauShaKaKumaGenJo constantly lie about Kinzo too. And by the rules of purple truth and a red statement, that's impossible for three of them... scratch that, four of them: it has been confirmed that Natsuhi is not the culprit in EP5, even though she killed someone in the past (the servant with the child).
See why purple truth and the associated rules are generally not seen as significant outside of Bern's game?
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|2013-01-07, 15:06
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Spoiler for TV Tropes says:
Ryukishi says repeatedly in his interviews that he didn't want to make the answer to his story something that could just be copied and pasted on the internet, and I'm sure that when he says this he's got the "The culprit is Yasu" spoiler-meme in mind.
Anyway, a common point of view in this community is that Yasu presents herself as the culprit through the stories, but isn't really the culprit.
|2013-01-07, 15:36
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Ah, nice to know why "Yasu" as a name caused to much laughter.
Spoiler for Monologue of a former Rosatrice follower:
If we look at Bern's game it's quite amusing how
■ Outside of spoken statements, there are no lies in the narration.
The complete opposite from Beato's games, where the narration is clearly lying to us (too). Now consider these three rules Bern had in her little game:
■ It is possible for a culprit to lie.
■ It is possible for a culprit to lie even before committing murder.
■ Characters who are not culprits only speak the truth.
So... who is the narration, who speaks to us then? If anything, the author. I propose that the author him-/herself is the culprit and thus allowed to lie to us, though he/she might've not been a culprit YET.
Guess you could draw one of two conclusions from this:
a) Either, both Yasu and Tohya might've done something in Prime. They are culprits and can lie. If you don't have an issue with assuming Yasu did something, it might connect Bern's game a bit more with the overall story. Or, if EP1 and EP2 were written after 1986, based upon Yasu's original scripts from before 1986, maybe just Tohya.
b) Might just refer to the self-insert of the author being the culprit in the stories, though this could then only refer to the "original author", since Tohya was the Detective for four episodes. Even though his role changed a tad in EP5 and EP6, sure.
Not saying that this means anything really. It's just a nice little coincidence I suppose.
Well then, Ryukishi. What did you do? Since you are the biggest liar through which the lesser liar Yasu lies to us?
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|2013-01-07, 18:16
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Also, to be honest, since Umineko was the first part of mystery it was something that was pretty difficult to be turned into an animation which, for time reasons, needed to cut scenes. It would have needed Ryukishi supervising everything and telling them what thye could and could not cut.
And I don't know about the first episodes but I think even if it's possible he was supervising it in the beginning, by the time we reached the end he wasn't doing it anymore. Ep 4 ending is... -_-
|2013-01-07, 18:32
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As always, it all is so ambigious than any contrived interpretation can kinda work. Uuu~! Magic~!
|2013-01-08, 00:10
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2. I dunno, a Chiru adaptation would be really hard to pull off well, since the plot becomes much more layered and hard to keep track of (lol, Chick-Beato suddenly popping into Featherine's study to read the old gameboards). I would recommend the manga, which is ALSO supposed to add more hints, and clears up several issues (for example, it's WAY WAY WAY clearer in the manga that Battler only witnessed 5 bodies in the shed, in legend)
Also, Yasu ... does not have multiple personality disorder. Like, it's a verbal shorthand to kind of describe the situation, but I wouldn't call it MPD, at all.
|2013-01-08, 00:45
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You could interpret it in a way that there has never been a letter yes, but you forgot that Battler still had the head ring wich was inside the envelope. The
red truth also heavily implies that it actually existed:
And none of them misinterpreted a knocking sound. Krauss, Natsuhi, and Genji were not involved with the knock. No one else existed inside the mansion. And that knock refers to the action of standing directly in front of a door and hitting it with a hand.
People tend to overlook that no one ever states in red that the letter was placed there at 2400 or that someone knocked at that time.
All the reds you get is where people have been at that time.
The wording 'the clock struck twelve' and not 'it was 12 am' So it could have actually been 2200 it could have also been 1900, no one ever says what time it actually was. I already read that part of the manga btw.
@Berns game:
I think we should ignore her solution, not the entire game though.
No you can take it out of context in this case - if you combine it with the other one. You can interpret it as 'even in the Meta world'. It doesn't have to mean that he is the actual culprit just that he is allowed to lie using purple now.
|2013-01-08, 02:18
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Otherwise the problem arises how she hid the weapon from the all-seeing eye of our incompetent detective.
It just means that everyone is covering Shannon, who gave the ring to Battler.
If anything, it means that a second solution to Bern's game is possible, although not intended, which mirrors the main story. Maybe the Japanese fan base had their own Rosatrice.
Maybe you meant it that way to begin with, sure. Sorry in that case.
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|2013-01-08, 03:32
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I don't say its impossible, its a sound explaination after all. Though it imho breaks apart at the point where everyone straight out suepects Natsuhi instead of Shanon if she gave the Ring to Battler. People would start questioning why she had the ring in the first place.
No matter if she comes clear or not at this point she automatically becomes a suspect.
Yet no one, including Battler who would know about Shanon's true self from that point on, ever suspected her. Not even for a second so they could realize afterwards that it couldn't have been her.
Again I don't say its impossible. Yet casts suspicion on Shanon.
Another reason why I won't give the letter up so easily is because its probably the same way the leetters in the other games were placed.
Don't forget Beato had a point there, that she can't prove no on left the room - Due to Beato's rule that red is simply the truth she couldn't deny Bern though.
However Beato never misused the reds in such a way.
Actually, you would have to start doubting several red just like this one here:
And because of Erika's scientific investigation, further red had been added, saying Genji never left the mansion after 24:00
The room was not sealed by Erika who has the right to seal a room perfectly but by Eva - so Genji could still leave the room for a short while using the window. This red is therefore not airtight, lamda simply accepted it as the truth and thats how it was possible to become the truth(implied by battler that it works this way).
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|2013-01-08, 07:18
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And the 2nd twilight cast some quite HEAVY suspicion on Natsuhi. Nobody has enough "love" for her to "see" that she was set up.
But yes, this point is an issue for just about anything regarding Shkanon inside the stories (in prime we could argue that it didn't actually happen anyway), how are you going to hide that for too long? There are some ways to justify that, but... overall, it leaves you wondering.
Besides, from a pure gameboard perspective without meta-knowledge Eva helped Shannon with the seal on Genji's room.
Something about EP5 could be added though... we don't have any confirmation whether the phone calls even happened (or matter beyond being a hint for us towards Shkanon). Possibly they served only one goal, to justify Natsuhi's behavior, and are actually magic scenes. She was supposed to be framed as the culprit from the get go, so if Lambda wants, she, as the "current author" could make Natsuhi do whatever she fancies. So, on the pure gameboard level, Natsuhi actually doesn't have a reason to leave the conference, she doesn't have a reason to go into the closet. She did it because the plot needed it to happen; the magic scenes with the phone call are supposed to justify it (and are actually impossible for Shkanon, causing much grief).
I mean, it's quite literally shown how Lambda, the author, calls Natsuhi: "hey d00d, it's me, your god. I need you to do something. Why? Erm, why don't we include your backstory in this then? Alright? K, thx."
Hints? The difference between meta-world and gameboard is especially thin in this episode, with arguments switching between those two layers and seemingly happening at the same time. If you carry this over to how the rest of the gameboard-narrative was treated, maybe it truly doesn't make sense and was barely glossed over. "Who cares whether the actions of each character make sense as long as the readers get a mystery to solve?" So nobody suspected Shannon because of this; just not part of the script.
Though maybe this is just another way of saying: Tohya/Ryukishi suck at writing.
Though you have a point, someone here mentioned it not too long ago: Lambda wasn't allowed to change the characters too much, she could only make them do what they're capable of (though, it probably means more something along the lines of "what the readers in prime think they're capable of"), so why would Bern be able to ignore this for her game? Of course, due to the rise of the Rudolf-family-culprit theory 'everybody' in prime thought that it totally makes sense for those three to be ballsin' crazy and greedy.
Some justify the overall weirdness of EP5 with "fanfiction" so there you go. It's still considered to be more true to Beato's games as Berns for some odd reason.
Only the game master is allowed to use red? Does this make Ange's red truth about being Battler's brother any less true? Or the red both Bern and Lambda dropped in the EP4 "????" ? Virgilia's red about Natsuhi? All the various people using red in EP6?
Spoiler for Bern's game, purple, red, culprit rules in relation to Beato's game:
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|2013-01-08, 09:33
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The manga deals much better with Beato and Natsuhi's relation, with Kyrie's surprise and pain at discovering the truth about Battler, with Rosa's past and her relation with Maria, even with Kinzo and Genji's relation. Ep 8 manga version is definitely awesome.
LOL, maybe they could even claim Erika was the Sumadera's killer.
Shannon might have not revealed her true identity or the whole truth about Kinzo's death, she might have just offered cooperation and added things like 'madam tells me to say I saw the master but actually it's years from the last I saw it... but i'm just a servant and this is no proof the master is 'vanished'... though master was so kind I want to help you all to find out the truth...'
Also, the solution for the knok is 'given' in a tip, in which a 'mysterious' envelope was supposed to be handed in the same way.
She was getting suspicious and since Battler solved the epitaph she thought that Kinzo would have him to have the ring.
Another possibility is that Battler was handed the solution of the epitaph and the ring by 'someone' and was asked to fake finding the solution. Then this someone instructed them about how they should tell they got the ring.
Or else Shannon said she found the mysterious envelope in front of her door and she preferred to hand it to... Eva or Rudolf instead than Natsuhi but she's afraid if this were to come up Natsuhi would blame her so could they please tell her the envelope was found in a different way?
Really, there's dozens of way to deliver the envelope to the siblings while looking innocent.
So we know that Bern's red is true merely because she can say it.
Theoretically Bern could have found out the culprit just by trying to say in red X is the culprit replacing with X the name of each person on the island until she would manage to say the full sentence in red. Then she would know she had the culprit.
Everything seems very similar to a Sherlock Holmes tale where the reader only know that Holmes lowered is gaze before hearing Holmes going into a detailed description of how the culprit should be and then, when Watson asks how Holmes knows, we get lot of details like how Holmes saw there were footprints on the ground and how studing them he could say this and that and how the air smelled of this and that and so on.
In short the competition between Holmes and the reader is lost by the beginning because the reader has way less hints than Holmes to make deductions however the reader doesn't care as we deem Holmes reliable.
Erika is the same as Holmes as she has at her hands lot of extra hints however we don't judge her reliable so we wonder if the fingertips she found and identified as... let's say Battler, are really Battler or she lied and Bern is providing her a fake red truth so that they can trap Natsuhi.
I think Bern's red truth is true, the trick is they're using it to force an interpretation that will show Natsuhi is the culprit.
It's like when they showed that Kinzo was in Natsuhi's bed.
All the red truths about Kinzo not being in the other places were true but the final deduction was obviously a lie.
This allows also Natsuhi to lie as she killed the servant.
And since in Umineko you can kill a personality and even a plushie...
this allow Rosa to lie as she killed Sakutarou, Maria as she killed Rosa many times in her head, Kyrie as she killed Asumu in her head many times. And probably everyone else because since the definition of death and killing is too lose likely just by stepping on a bug you become a murderer.
Though I don't think the purple statements are supposed to be applied to all the games. Bern made them to make things simpler and just for her game. I doubt they'll work in the others (and if you provide George with a gun he can kill an adult with no problems... actually likely he could kill one even without it, just with one of his kick).
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When Genji finished transferring the call, he immediately returned to the waiting room. Could be anything, really. Sure, there was a call. Maybe not even for Natsuhi, Genji just transferred to somewhere - maybe those in the cousins room received their "orders" from the parlor-group or whatever happened in EP5 to begin with.
Why wouldn't they just dial the number of the guest-house directly? Well, there goes this idea I suppose, at least now I can claim that "shoddy narrative" is an actual argument for my cause.
And Lambda doing that call, even if she's dressed up... is basically what I'm saying, and it has been shown in the VN too. So hey, we haven't had some gratuitous blue lately. The mystery man doesn't even exist on the gameboard and is just author interference to keep the narrative together via intertwining magic and reality on the gameboard. From a pure non-magical standpoint, Natsuhi just happens to decide hiding in that particular closet would be a swell idea. This author doesn't care about the story but just wants to present a convoluted mystery without heart.
The above would be a fitting criticsm for the mystery genre, all things considered.
Far-fetched? Sure, just screwing around, don't mind me.
Those were the days.
Though Natsuhi is not the culprit as EP5 confirmed, so even if she can lie...
If those loose interpretations of "murder" applied, the solution to Bern's game would've been impossible to pinpoint, since everyone is lying. Pretty sure it's just about humans.
Well, that's the thing: the purple statements in Bern's game don't matter as long as you don't go for a George-culprit theory (or use them willy nilly over all the games... who knows what's purple and what not? Just talking about the purple that we've got), since most of them are pretty specific for Bern's mystery. So you might as well add them, doesn't matter. They're truly not the problem, everything else from Bern's game however... yeah, let's not apply those things:
In the wake of a huge logic error spears would rain down from the sky as natural disasters as well as godly thunderbolts eliminate the gameboard, Ryukishi, and every single reader.
If someone however can create a theory that:
- considers the Detective's perspective
- follows the red (semantic cheats make this easy)
- includes the purple statements from Bern's game (only few general statements that could be applied to all games)
(all those before and)
- interprets magic scenes
- uses Will's hints
- considers Knox's (namely, the 2nd)
- uses a "Mastermind"-character for EP1-4, who is always at the center of the mystery
(all those before and)
- connects to Chiru in a meaningful manner
(all those before and)
- uses Bern's definition of a culprit (so no accomplices either)
Bonus points
- use Van Dine as well
... yeah, if you beat lunatic, you have my deepest respects. Oh, forgot one difficulty:
(all those before and)
- actually makes sense
But that's just silly.
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There's no question that kids today are more sophisticated than they were a generation ago. And while we may have dreamed of becoming princesses, our children—from toddlers to pre-teens—can actually be treated like royalty at Simon Says, a salon and spa created just for them.
Located on the basement-level of the Marshall Field's department store in suburban Chicago, the simplified services are child-friendly, as is the furniture, which features an adjustable-height nail bar and video games and DVD players at every station. The rest of the décor is orange and blue and ocean-themed. For skin care services, founder Scott Knapp uses natural, chemical-free products from California Baby.
"It is completely designed around children," Knapp says of his kid-friendly concept. "Everything is scaled to their size." That includes prices, where manicures (consisting of soaking, moisturizing and polish) start at $5, pedicures at $15, and facials at $5. And his pint-sized clients are enjoying getting glam: "Little girls have been interested in beauty since the beginning of time," says Knapp, "and now they have a place that's just for them."
the simon says "facial" for kids
1. Settle child comfortably in reclining chair or facial bed.
2. Spray face with California Baby scented hydrating mist.
3. Apply appropriate moisturizer.
4. While moisturizer absorbs, lay fresh slices of cucumbers on child's eyes.
5. To finish, remove cucumber slices, and help child out of the chair.
teen scene
Susan Tierney, CEO of Seventeen Studio.Spa.Salon, knows how to brighten a teenage girl's day. Her beauty mecca in Plano, Texas, caters to pre-teens and teens (although it accommodates adults, too), and offers massage, facials, spray-on tanning, waxing and body services. The Make-Up Bar allows girls to play, while the Pedicure Pit, a pillow-filled room that accommodates eight, is the perfect place to gather with friends. Not enough entertainment? There's also an on-site kiosk that plays the newest music videos and an Internet Bar for web-surfing. For special occasions like prom or homecoming, groups can book custom spa parties.
Despite all the fun, the spa takes teen skin seriously. There is no shortage of acne-fighting weapons, including the Dermalogica line, whose products and protocols are used in the Acne Attack Facial and the Flip-Side, a back facial.
"We perform the same steps on teens as we do on adults," says Tierney. "It's not a teenybopper facial; we use high-quality products and customize it just for them." In fact, the services are so effective that moms are coming in with their teenagers and booking their own appointments. "Half of our business is mothers," remarks Tierney.
Tierney should be familiar with the teen set; she worked for Seventeen magazine for twelve years, and the spa licensed its name from the publication. She notes, "The concept didn't exist when we started, but my experience told me that teens were ready for these kinds of treatments."
seventeen studio.spa.salon's acne attack facial
target result: Effective acne treatment.
1. Cleanse with steam with Dermal Clay Cleanser and Purifying Botanical Mixer. Cleanse a second time with Anti-Bac Skin Wash.
2. Apply Scaling Fluid with steam for 10 minutes. For
fine-textured skin, galvanic current on the negative pole for 3-4 minutes is a desincrustation alternative.
3. Perform manual extractions, followed by direct high
frequency; then wipe treated areas with Post Extraction Solution.
4. Press 6-8 drops of Sebum Control Serum into skin.
5. Apply Anti-Bac Cooling Masque or Plankton Masque to face and neck.
6. Remove after 10 minutes with warm steam towel
customized with Purifying Botanical Mixer and
Multi-Active Toner. Apply Special Clearing Booster on blemishes. Apply Oil Control Lotion to remaining areas.
pregnant pause
Mothers-to-be have unique beauty needs, many of which are addressed in a program created by Jolanta Omski of Miracullum Spa in Walnut Creek, California. "We divide the pregnancy into trimesters and perform specific services for each," says Omski. First comes a non-hydroquinone whitening facial for "pregnancy mask," or hyperpigmentation that occurs due to fluctuating hormone levels; prenatal massages performed on specially designed tables, where clients can lie comfortably on their stomachs; and a foot rescue treatment that involves an invigorating
peppermint scrub, massage, hydrating mask and heated booties to restore achy legs.
In the second trimester, Omski recommends adding lymphobiology to the protocol to reduce swelling in the legs and improve circulation. In the final trimester, the expectant mom is prepped for her post-birth photos, getting a brow wax, brow and lash tint and European facial. All clients benefit from the spa's exclusive private label products, a detailed intake form and the well-trained staff.
Omski, who has three children herself, knows how much a pregnant woman appreciates pampering. "They love us because we're one of the only spas in the area to have the
right kind of table. We see at least three to five pregnant clients every day."
miracullum spa's whitening facial
target results: To exfoliate, even and brighten the skin.
1. Analyze the skin. Cleanse with Glow Wash and rinse thoroughly.
2. Apply Lactic Peel rapidly with cotton squares and remove promptly with water.
3. Gently massage Enzyme Smoothie onto the skin for 5 minutes, steam for an additional 5 minutes and remove with warm towel.
4. Perform extractions if necessary.
5. Massage face, neck and shoulders for 12 minutes. Remove all traces of massage cream/oil with warm towel.
6. Apply Clear and Bright Serum.
7. When serum is absorbed, apply Glow Mask. Remove with warm towels after 10 minutes.
8. Re-apply another layer of Clear and Bright Serum to areas of discoloration, and once absorbed, complete the treatment with Glow Cream and Micro TZ Sunscreen.
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It's one last hurrah before diaper duty and sleepless nights! The Topnotch Resort and Spa in Stowe, Vermont, has created a "Babymoon" package for expectant parents. The unique element is that it includes fathers-to be, who are often excluded from prenatal pampering.
The package, which includes extras like a romantic dinner each evening, complimentary champagne and chocolates, and massage oil and candles, entices the couple to spend some focused time together. The best part, of course, is the 50-minute spa treatment targeted to each parent.
"We have several treatments for men and women, and pregnancy massage and the 80-minute Vermont Wood Spice Treatment for Men are very popular," says Paula Upton, spa director. The services are performed in a beautifully decorated couples' treatment room with a crackling fireplace, where the pair can relax before the service. They can also sample aromatherapy oils and select the scents they want for their treatments.
"We perform their services side by side so the man feels included in the whole process," explains Upton. "We make a special effort to reach out to the man, and discover the things that he really enjoys."
As a bonus, after the dual treatments the therapist shows the husband how to massage his wife, so he can help ease the aches that come with the third trimester. "That keeps them connected and makes the experience more intimate," says Upton. And when clients are happy, the Topnotch staff is happy: "We love to share in their excitement. It just shines from the moment they walk into our spa."
the topnotch resort and spa's pregnancy massage
"Topnotch performs this 25-, 50- or 80-minute service on a traditional massage bed, using custom-made pillows to support a pregnant woman's body," says Margo Loeffler, assistant massage manager. "All therapists are specially trained in pregnancy massage, and focus on areas like the lower back and shoulders. It is important to be cautious of ligaments that may want to overstretch at this time, and to make sure circulation is never compromised. Since pregnant women are often sensitive to scent, we use natural, hypoallergenic oils like grapeseed, which are subtle and deemed safe."
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wood spice treatment for men
The element that sets this treatment apart is the Wood Spice oil. It's made locally for the spa and comes in a jug. The base is a mixture of grapeseed and sweet almond oil. Before use, therapists strain out the pine needles, which evoke the scent of the Vermont mountains.
1. Perform full body scrub with a loofah, hot water and homemade Wood Spice soap.
2. Wrap the body in hot linens that have been soaked in Wood Spice herbs.
3. Perform head and neck massage, then remove wrap.
4. Finish with a 25-minute massage with Wood Spice oil.
male service
The Body Perfect Salon in Las Vegas caters to men with a complete barbershop that includes a private entrance. It also offers an extensive hair-removal menu—one of the fastest-growing men's services.
Salon manager Chasten, who is also a hair removal tech, trains her staff on the Nufree no-wax system. She says it's gentle enough for a first-timer and leaves skin soft—something even a real man's man will appreciate. "Most men want hair removal for their face or back, especially before they hit the pool or the beach," says Chasten.
A full beard hair removal runs $90, while the back costs $75. But it doesn't stop there—the Body Perfect technicians fulfill requests for bikinis and Brazilian-style removal from a few brave men. For those areas, male technicians perform the service.
"We feel men are left out of salons," explains Chasten. "They get their hair cut and that's it. But here, they can be a little spoiled."
the body perfect salon's men's
no-wax hair removal
1. Check to make sure hair is the appropriate length for removal; trim if necessary.
2. Men's skin tends to be oilier than women's, so wipe the area to be treated with a dry cloth.
3. During this preparation, explain the hair-removal process to the client. For new clients, perform a patch test to make sure they can tolerate the procedure.
4. Apply Nufree treatment with downward strokes. Apply paper strip, and pull up quickly, removing hair.
5. Continue removing hair in sections. Apply Finipil solution to skin, which will soothe and protect.
6. For at-home care, clients should apply Finipil daily to reduce unwanted hair. Clients should also refrain from working out immediately after this service, because
perspiration could irritate the skin.
the change of life
Leave it to a California doctor to create an esthetic paradise in a medical center. At Ocean Oasis in Santa Monica, Lisa Masterson, M.D., offers gynecological exams and ultrasounds, along with an extensive selection of facials, waxing, massages and acupuncture. Post-service, clients can gaze at the ocean or take a dip in the on-site pool.
Though Dr. Masterson welcomes women at all stages in life, she enjoys treating menopausal women. "They are at a good stage because they get to focus on themselves a little bit more," she observes. "They are figuring out what they want in life
and going after it." Because these women are also increasingly concerned with staying healthy, Dr. Masterson welcomes the chance to re-educate them on taking care of their bodies.
Her staff takes good care of these clients, too. In the waiting area, there is soothing music and a hostess offering herbal tea and light refreshments. Clients can soak their feet and enjoy a soothing eyepack while waiting for their technician. In the
treatment rooms, therapists are careful to keep temperatures at a comfortable level and use only high-quality linens to ensure the ultimate in relaxation. "It's a place where they can forget all worries and decrease their stress, which plays a factor in aging and chronic diseases," explains Dr. Masterson.
To combat hot flashes, cool neck packs are kept on hand, and highly emollient products are used to soothe aging, dry skin. One targeted service, the Ginseng and Pearl Hydrating Treatment, takes it a step further and leaves mature skin glowing. Says Dr. Masterson, "It aims to replenish and restore natural suppleness."
ocean oasis ginseng and pearl hydrating treatment
target conditions: All skin types, but particularly
indicated for mature skin in need of hydration.
1. Select a cleanser for client's skin type, and cleanse twice.
2. Apply a hydrating toner.
3. Apply exfoliating gommage enzyme peel with brush and leave for 5-7 minutes. When it hardens, remove with hot towel.
4. Place gauze mask over face and neck. Next, combine ginseng and pearl powder to create a calming and hydrating mixture. Apply mixture over gauze, using a brush or spatula.
5. While mask sets for 20 minutes, perform shoulder, neck, head and hand massage.
6. Peel off mask, which will have set to rubbery consistency. Gauze should lift off as well.
7. To finish, apply moisturizer, sunscreen and eye and lip treatment.


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Walk Scilly is now in its 7th year and set to start the 2013 season on the islands with 24 wonderful walks (and counting) covering all the islands and filling the week before Easter.
The event starts on Saturday 23rd and runs through to Easter Saturday on the 30th.
The Isles of Scilly are a cluster of outstandingly beautiful islands just off the coast of Cornwall, they are uncrowded, unspoilt and just waiting to be explored. And the best way to discover them is by foot.
Walk Scilly 2013 – the Isles of Scilly Walking Festival, offers a unique opportunity to explore and enjoy the five inhabited islands guided by local experts. You will take hidden pathways that curl across this stunning natural landscape soaking up its unique history and beauty along the way.
March is a perfect time to visit the islands, providing some of the best conditions for walking, with warm days, budding hedgerows and abundant bird and wildlife. Washed by the Gulf Stream, the Isles of Scilly have the UK's mildest climate and see spring bloom early each year.
What's on offer?
The seven day festival sees a series of themed, guided walks taking place across the islands' 60 miles of pathway. Expert walking guides, with intimate knowledge of the islands and the British countryside, will lead the walks through this Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. The festival presents a perfect opportunity to hop between the islands … without the worry of having to plan your walking routes around each island yourself!
In addition to its beautiful, white-sand beaches, Scilly – to name just a few of its attributes – has the greatest concentration of prehistoric burial sites in the UK, one of the highest numbers of historic shipwrecks in Europe and is a mecca for rare migrant bird species. The themes of the walks will include the islands' archaeology and gardens, flora and fauna, castles and cliffs, beaches and birds and even bats and boats!
This year's festival sees the return of many 'old favourite' Scilly walks, in addition to new routes, from short, gentle, coastal strolls to more strenuous day walks that raise the heart beat.
The event coincides with the Isles of Scilly Folk Festival (which runs from 27th March – 1st April), and what better way to end a day in the fresh Scilly air than sitting back and relaxing to the merry sounds of folk music with a warming supper and ale.
There will be additional evening activities to enjoy across the islands including an opening night celebration and specialist talks and presentations.
For more information and to download the 2013 Scilly Isles walking programme visit the Simply Scilly website


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As with many things, it is often the simple answer that evades us.... :lol:
KevH ... I have a feeling that he'll get it straightaway....
Pipette?I thought you glassmakers just dunked your tongs or pincers in the bucket and then aplplied the edge of the tool to the glass thus allowing the residue of water to do the cooling - with a very precise application.
So much for ... QuoteKevH ... I have a feeling that he'll get it straightaway....
It is a very simple form of pipette. Glassmakers made these to use at the bench. You dip it in your bucket of water, fill it with water, and then put your thumb over the large end so that you can apply a stream of water,fairly accurately, where needed. The plastic "fairy liquid" bottle has rendered it almost extinct, but some people still use them. According to Eddie King who works with me and started off his glassblowing career at Whitefriars, they used to make them there. I think it is interesting because while glass blowers often had to make a lot of their own tools, and still do, so far as I know, it is probably the only one that they made out of glass, for obvious reasons.A piece of glassmaking history that is in danger of getting lost, I suspect.
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