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"Here the ways of men divide. If you wish to strive for peace of soul and happiness, then believe; if you wish to be a disciple of truth, then inquire." ― Friedrich Nietzsche
Wednesday, February 10, 2010
Telangana 41: 'Rowdy' Movement
93 comments:
The center and the anti-Telangana forces seem to believe the movement will peter out. No wonder Center seems to wait before announcing that we would get something between a state and a region. A state within a state, that's what they r talking abt. One more gentlemen agreement!ReplyDelete
Super Post!!ReplyDelete
Violence catches attention. The national media, especially the english news channel did give attantion when KCR was on fast and then after 23rd Dec, when the movement gained momentum, they totally seem to have forgotten it. They only seem to recognize it when someone commits suicide etc. The real feel of the movement can only be fealt when you go around villages in telangana. There is so much energy, so much passions and so much meaning in each of the demonstrations that are being carried out. But sadly people dont talk and show these things.
One suggestion. People like you who have the gift of expression should covey the the this (the hostory, the reasons, and peaceful nature of protests) to entire india and world. I say this because your blog has a lot of popularity and your words have so much energy. You have to take this forward.
One thing that really worked against Telangana was the timing of the announcement. But that is the sad state of affairs we have in this country. There were lot of knee-jerk reactions by everyone mocking the entire scenario. It created an impression of the state being created for KCR and his goons. I always hated the media and felt vindicated after this.I found the national media pretty dumb. They will land in Hyderabad whenever there is something happening in Osmania and show one damn vehicle burning. I had not seen a single news channel going to the districts and showing the peaceful movement. They need sensation.None of the reporter seemed to have a holistic understanding.ReplyDelete
Many people were surprised after I wrote in support of Telangana on the bulletin board of my company.I spent hours in explaining to my friends and colleagues.I noticed some of the Telanganites to be timid and embarassed to come out and express their support.
Lot of Telanganites were oblivious to this movememnt before Dec 9th. Once they saw the charade of Andhra politicians the support increased in multi folds.
One more time, you posted a wonderful expression. Thanks Sujai.ReplyDelete
As you said, many people surprised to see me supporting this movement when I am a well educated and in a good position. Few other people ruled out saying 'we and most of our families are in out of India, we don't get any benefit if it is united or separated, so why we need to care'?
I tried explaining them that our fathers might have enjoyed there life in govt jobs if we get our Telangana jobs quota. In 1980s govt jobs are the major source of employments. Instead they worked in small private offices with less salaries with more work and they sacrificed there own enjoyment/life and saved each and every rupee for our education and better future. If they had in good job they might have provided us good future without losing there life. I cant sit and enjoy when I learned that our difficult past life was not our fate but some one forced us to live like that. And I can not allow them to continue.
I completely agree that this movement is still getting an anti India image and all the peaceful means to show that this is peoples movement is not getting correct representation in national media.ReplyDelete
I dont think the srikrishna committee is a honest attempt from center to form Telangana state. They are hoping for a compromise and have given enough leeway in the terms of reference.
No matter what, we have to follow the non violence path. There are more escalation paths. non cooperation in mass level will be a next appropriate step towards that.
In my personal experience the "elite" are completely at lost why "elite" like me are participating in this movement. Apart from my upbringing in Warangal and telangana deep in my psyche , I think its question of justice. pure and simple. People have been wronged and they need to get justice. generations of telengana have lost their right to participate in India's progress and this time we cannot afford to be lagging behind.
I have been thinking a lot about one question often asked by my andhra friends " why telangana people don't have good LEADERS".
I think becos we were in Nizam rule, we were part of the armed struggle and not the direct india national movement. All our subsequent movements for telangana including the naxal movement we produced LEADERS who got national recognition but for wrong reasons.
I sincerely believe this 2010 telangana movment will give us great leaders who have Telanagana in thier heart and soul and work towards it progress when the state will be a reality.
My greatest fear is that lakhs of studnets who are part of this movement should get not get dishearten and commit suicide or worse get angry and turn to naxalism.
This movment is not just about telangana v/s Andhra. Its also about people from rural and neglected parts of india asking for their rights. Its about tribal people who want to have development in their own terms without destroying the environment. Its about people who have for thousands of years were suppressed by the majority of India through the caste system.
I know telangana will be a reality but what I don't know is if it will released though non violent ways or more blood has to be shed.
sujai ...please do write a post about the lack of real leaders from telangana.
- AnonymousFebruary 10, 2010 10:55 PM
"So, how come Telanganas don't get the respect that Indians got? That's because Indians no longer respect a non-violent movement."ReplyDelete
Conclusion of a looser who is a bigot.
Non-violence is no starter in the 21st century. I suggest you ask the JAC to assemble some 100-150 groups of 7-8 people who could launch hit-and-run attacks at different locations, all at the same time.ReplyDelete
The attacks should be inflicted on andhra's assets and govt. establishments and not on people. Houses could be set on fire. Cars broken and vandalism on a regular basis. A group of 7-8 people can engage for 15min and escape without being caught and before the police arrives. 100 to 150 groups should choose a pre-determined andhra asset and attack simultaneously.
Why such a cowardly attack? This is an effective strategy used by insurgents in afganistan and iraq. The rebels throw dozens of hand grenades on neutral army installations and fire randomly on a kill basis. They retreat within 10mins and by the time the army can pull up it's head and track the rebels, they are long gone.
Hit-and-run is a strategy that defeated the entire US army in afghanistan and vietnam.
Google search for "tet offensive". It was an major attack done by the vietcong on the US army. The vietcong launched several attacks on different army installations all at an exact time.
This needs to adopted by the telangana students. Im not asking you to kill people. Im asking you to target andhra's assets and govt. establishments. Several attacks on different pre-determined locations at an exact time for no longer than 15min. The police will not be able to reach even 10% of the location. 95% of the students will run away to safety before the police arrives.
My observation is, if der is any fight for seperation, the people think dat it is a bad/rowdy movement,, to avoid this misconception, first thing we need to educate the non-telanganites why we are fighting for Telangana and this fight is genuine and for justice...ReplyDelete
I educated so many of my frens who are non-telaganites and they convinced about the movement and they changed their attitude towards da movement..
i disagree the movement is carrying by only arts people. I knew so many people who support telangana who are of science groups and are NRI's..
Even though I am a hard core pro-telangana guy, I do not support destroying any ones property.
I don't think our movement is about revenge, but it is about Justice. I do have few friends from Andhra who are sympathetic to our movement. I do not want to see them suffered just because they moved to HYD three years back for a IT job.
@Green StarReplyDelete
If indeed ur friends r convinced this is a movement for justice, why is that they stop at being sympathetic and not support this openly? My point is that this is our battle at the end of day. I do understand ur point abt refraining from destroying properties, but even as we speak Telangana is plundered by Govt discrimination. It is just that it is silent and something beyond visuals. Just as an example, think abt the waters that our farmers lost, the jobs this region's youth lost.Can we quantify that loss of good life and property? Definition of violence hence floats!! Lets come out of those definitions and inflcit Andhra rulers where it hurts. Not a physical destruction which can be made up in a day or two, but a mental one. Lets unleash a campaign and boycott selective anti-telangana forces' products. That is what i call unspeakable violence and it will serve our purpose and I guess you wont mind this too :)
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 12:59 AM
why dont you present your data about injustice to a third party and see if they will believe your facts.ReplyDelete
stop believing your own propaganda about injustice and partial truths from different reports..
please compare telangana with other regions of Hyderabad state like the districts currently in Karnataka or Maharashtra.
please get the information on how much money was collected and how much money was spent there by their state govts..
you guys show me a telangana map with elevation and we will see how water can flow to higher altitudes..
In the battles there are rules too. Innocent people can not be hurt.
It is a individual persons choice he can became anti-telangana or became sympathetic to telangana cause or actively participate in movement. You must agree that there are many telangana people who want telangana but they do not spend time to involve in that.
If you are able to convince as many as Andhras people, then they may became 'atleast sympathetic' to telangana, it means you are weakening the 'United Andhra' band. By the time there will be very few left to support the 'United Andhra'.
But by attacking the neutrals, you are forcing them to take a side, and they may not choose you. That is exactly we need to avoid.
First show yourself and your name. Later you go and read Wikipedia, and this blog posts(including the comments) later come back here to ask questions.
The questions you are asking are presented and discussed here hundreds of times.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 1:21 AM
Green star..ReplyDelete
When two opposing parties are fighting in a civil court, both of them think they could be correct.
only after evidence is presented to a judge (neutral party) then we will know.
put the facts to a third party and see if there is major injustice or not.
until then stop behaving emotionally.
You need to pick a name to start the conversation/debate. Other wise it is difficult with the name 'Anonymous' because many people use the same to comment here, so we do not know how is commenting what.
Here is the list you can start. I do not want to go into numbers/statistics because every one has there own numbers. So I want to go with the facts which are documented in third party websites and well known to all.
1. Gentlemen's Agreement.
2. Six Point Formula agreement.
3. Presidential Order.
4. Girglani commission report
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 2:12 AM
the next version of Sujai...ReplyDelete
will he morph into a Subhash Chandra bose ? or 1969 telangana movement guy (kill andhras, take their property, drive them out of Hyderabad)..
the funny thing, is most telangana people stopped being critical about themselves, long time back..
they are just happy blaming the evil seemandhra, settlers, dopididarulu, pettubadidarulu...
if they are even self-critical they will know why they failed in 1969 (among many things, one of them is using violence)
they learned something this time, like do not use violence and on the surface say things which they do not believe.
in the end, they will fail again as the world has moved on more than their learning.
You keep dreaming, Seema already thinking about joining Telangana and ditch the Andhra in case of separation. That means they already worried that separation is near.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 3:02 AM
Did anyone condemn "Andhra Bhago..." statement ?ReplyDelete
what right KCR or any others have a right to say that ?
they are behaving like yesterdays Dorala Telangana, where it is their Jagirdar.
Things are not the same like in 1969.
they tried violence then, now trying peaceful (while giving statements against indian constitution and violent class struggle..)
Most of India is against splitting language states.
(Hindi states are different).
once hyderabad is developed, KCR wants all of it for themselves.
this is similar like punjab khalistanis. after the whole country spent resources and punjab got developed they want to go their own way.
(of course kcr is asking for separate state only, while there are some in telangana wanting a separate country).
it will be like a fight between two cats for a roti.
we all know what happened then.
Welcome back Sujai!ReplyDelete
Yet another excellent post! Thought provoking.
I used to look at Telangana movement the way you described outsiders look at it. Well, some of the things you say. My friends are surprised I am an avid supporter now. One of my Andhra friends has told me that I was a supporter all along and I was simply pretending to be a non-supporter. He thinks that one cannot turn from being a non-supporter to what I am today.
Why this turnaround? I spent a considerable amount of time researching this topic. There are many reasons but most important of all is that, I feel this is a single event in my life time that will have a broad based positive impact on common man. Immediate future will probably continue to be on downward spiral but things should be very good long term. I truly believe that this will help common man on Andhra side too.
My hope is that this event of separation happens without violence. Violence will disrupt too many lives and cause deep wounds in society that are hard to heel.
BTW: I condemn "Andhrawala Baago" statement. This has been condemned by several leaders and many people. I am not sure how this helps when million other statements to the contrary are being ignored and this old statement is still sticking. Many people seem to be stuck in KCR Land. This movement is much bigger than KCR. I don't think you can draw any parallels to this movement. There are some genuine concerns and arguments against this separation but most arguments against seem childish.
A group of Telangana supporters are trying to form a formal group in Delhi that can help in this struggle. Can we get some help through this blog?
//Did anyone condemn "Andhra Bhago..." statement ?//ReplyDelete
I condemn 'Andhra Bhago..."
But I do not condemn 'Andhra Bhago.... who are illegally staying in Telangana by holding illegally appointed in Govt jobs and illegally grabbed Telangana lands"
You need to read the KCRs full statement but not the just small part which turns in favor of your argument.
//what right KCR or any others have a right to say that ?//
KCR and every Telanganite has right to say to any non-local how illegally grabbed job in telangana.
//they are behaving like yesterdays Dorala Telangana, where it is their Jagirdar.//
So you think Telangana is yor Jagirdar to steal our jobs and funds and water.
//Things are not the same like in 1969.//
We are too saying same thing, now you can not crush our peoples movement by ordering open fire and kill hundreds.
//they tried violence then, now trying peaceful (while giving statements against indian constitution and violent class struggle..)//
You tried agreements, you tried changing constitution, you tried by nullifying supreme court, you tried ignoring commission reports. So what left for you?
//Most of India is against splitting language states.
(Hindi states are different).//
In that case can you help us to put the bill in Parliament.
//once hyderabad is developed, KCR wants all of it for themselves.
this is similar like punjab khalistanis. after the whole country spent resources and punjab got developed they want to go their own way.
(of course kcr is asking for separate state only, while there are some in telangana wanting a separate country).//
We learned this saperate state concept from you when you split from Madras. Thank you.
//it will be like a fight between two cats for a roti.
we all know what happened then. //
Then why dont you stop fighting.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 6:25 AM
So far no one condemns "Andhra Bhago..."ReplyDelete
The central govt should put these guys in jail for not respecting the basic rule in Indian Constitution.
Please post any video or major newspaper links, if any TRS people condemned this statement.
//The central govt should put these guys in jail for not respecting the basic rule in Indian Constitution.//ReplyDelete
Why does central put me in jail for saying a illegal guy has to leave telangana? When did Indian constitution make illegal as legal?
//Please post any video or major newspaper links, if any TRS people condemned this statement.//
Post any major newspaper showing KCR did that statement.
If one can recollect what was the reason for him to say that if people do not want to stay they can leave the city and he said "Telangana wala jago…Andhra wala bagho".
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 7:14 AM
who is illegal ?ReplyDelete
Please define illegal ?
Is that person not a citizen of India ?
If someone obtained a job illegally, prove it and dismiss from that job.
that person can will stay in any part of india.
This comment has been removed by the author.ReplyDelete
//If someone obtained a job illegally, prove it and dismiss from that job.//ReplyDelete
So, you just wokeup from the sleep. If no one working illegally, then what is GO610 about?
What is Girglani Commission Report about?
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 8:07 AM
Show me proof that any TRS leaders condemning Andhrawale Bhago.
until then, people are justified to believe that most TRS and some telangana movement people are not going to respect Indian constitution.
Does it justify your stand of samaikhyandhra?
@Green Star,ReplyDelete
If u read Anuj's and my comment carefully, u will understand we are not advocating 'hurting' innocents. Anuj talked abt destroying private properties of Anti-Telanganites, I spoke abt non-cooperation and boycotting their products (considering that the core group of this Samaikyavaadam are corrupt businessmen). Where is the question of disturbing neutrals? Please do not misquote us.
Even some strident advocates of Samaikyata know the details of discrimination met to Telangana. They endorse Samaikyata to protect their own interests. It is not as if they need to be enlightened!
Anyway, u have every right to believe u can convert a few of them to endorse telangana state demand. U can make a start by converting the 'Anonymous' guys here!! Good luck.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 9:55 AM
Andhra/Seema people are not sitting ducks. If you throw petrol bombs at their houses, they have the might to retaliate with their own bombs. That is not the way. It will never work. Stop posting such stupid things on a site where we are discussing rationally.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 9:57 AM
Should Kannadigas launch an agiation that you and your wife have 'settled' in their state and taken away their jobs. If you and your wife had not gone to Bangalore the jobs would eventually go to the Kannadigas.
the more u comment, the more u r exposing ur ignorance abt the issue! Please go read something abt Telangana, the conditional merger and its reasons. The subsequent accords, agreements reached and how and why they are violated. Once you understand these things, u come back here and have a rational discussion. u will then understand the sillyness in the questions u just posed.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 10:23 AM
Anuj and SujaiReplyDelete
What brand of perversion do you harbor.Do you think inciting people to attacking properties of government and fellow Indians tolerated? Stop this bloody madness.You people are born and educated in United Andhra Pradesh.It is only because of the state that you owe your jobs.How dare your blog preaches violence openly.I thought you were blogs in general are thought provoking but look at the comments here.Shame on you.I wonder how professional you are preaching perversion.It is a gross violation of human rights.I really hope that 'Namma Bengalure' movement comes along and you be kicked ,of course 'Non Violently' .......
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 10:39 AM
Green Star,ReplyDelete
" Your parents sacrificed their careers with small jobs. If they had got Govt jobs your lives would have been different"
How many of you are there like that whose lives would have been better with parents in govt jobs . A few thousands? What about the millions who did not get even those small jobs by being suppressed as Dalits...not for 50 years but for 5000 years.
The Velamas and Reddys of Telangana have lived heinous lives and their descendants will suffer for it for a few generations.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 10:47 AM
Enough has been read and discussed about jobs, water, 601 etc.
At the end of the day it comes to the same thing: If Andhras had not come the jobs would have gone to telanganites.
I am stating the same on behalf of Kannadigas today.
If in 50's Krishna water had not gone to Andhra, telangana would have had richer farmers , who would have put heir money in Hyderabad, sent heir kids to big schools, got govt jobs etc.
Same applies to Karnataka too. If in 90's the farmers whose lands were taken to build all those IT parks had got something for it...........
What educated Telangana people ( and others too) are doing today i.e., getting jobs where they are is what Andhra people did 50 years ago.
U have a deadly combination of ignorance+stupidity. U dont even get the GO number right and keeps lecturing abt how the problem does not exist in the first place! I again request you to know 2 things. 1) What is the content of Gentlemen agreement 2) Why was the agreement signed in the first place
Ur last comment clearly show u believe this issue arose because Andhrites 'came' here, which is an idiotic argument. Ur comparision with Kannadiga situation is hilarious. Dont make this entertainment. Please browse. U badly need some reading and thinking. Good Luck.
BAD NEWSReplyDelete
For panel, it's redeem AP, not Telangana
The terms of reference of the Justice Srikrishna panel on Telangana, which the Congress core committee approved on Wednesday, are learnt to have left the issue of Telangana's formation open-ended. Instead, the focus will be on charting the "way forward to redeem the Andhra situation", sources said.
Reject this panel now or your about to fall in hole they created for you.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 12:53 PM
It is total ignorance of some telangana people on this blog about anyone stealing Telangana's resources.ReplyDelete
That is total bogus.
When asked for proof and numbers they have nothing to show.
They talk, go read this read that, educate yourself....
For 10yrs from 71-82 Andhra Pradesh had CM's from Telangana.
Chenna reddy was CM again in 80's.
The irrigation minister from 1994 is from Telangana region.
You have no basis on this claim or stealing, looting ...
it is ok if you want to create this false lies for vote bank politics.
Do not start believing that bogus claims (which will not stand neutral review) and manufacture hate.
If telangana people did not go to Gulf, Bengulru, mumbai, usa, canada, europe and stealing all those local jobs, it would have been better for Telangana.
if people preach violence on this blog or even do it, expect the Indian govt to act severely and even hunt down and kill those violent people.
The full force of indian constitution and govt will take care of those violent thugs..
- Kiran ChFebruary 11, 2010 1:00 PM
The name 'Rowdy' may be little.. I see the core instinct to fight for some little reasons to false assumptions, the name of naxal or terrorist may be apt.ReplyDelete
* Some one highlights one person Adhurs unable to stop as provocation, at the same time much higher tone provacations are burred Telangana politician's (nalakulu kosestam, students dying count may increase, all such are direct or indirect provocation to T and non T regions)
*Some one says hit-run
*Some one plans some out of box, another violent way, or blackmails
So, the basic pattern is fight from history back(is that became a habit?). I predicting even if there is Separate T, this instinct will not die and will change its name to some xyz. May be cast, or dora etc.. I don't know what it will be but strongly feel such thing will come.
Why is that there is not self development classes? why is that -ve feelings are more and at early states of life (<=intermediate/+12)
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 1:02 PM
Never stand begging for what you have the power to earnReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 1:13 PM
The whole T issue is about 'Andhras coming and occupying everything from jobs to water'. Are you suggesting that is not the issue?
And by the way I am glad people have understood that Andhras have not grabbed Godavari water till date....not yet atleast.
Anyone know what the JAC stand on the new committee is?ReplyDelete
We need diplomats to argue with the andhra's and the centre. A row of passionate telanganites or a few politicians is of no use and would take a beating in the meetings.
Separate all the groups from each other. A group destroying andhra assets needs to be separated from the one who is occupied diplomatically and politically. If JAC is the same one engaging politically and protesting on the streets then it is a problem. Mobilize groups at once and diktat responsibilities asap. You need teams of 5-10 people each.
Politicians can stand on a rigid ground but they cannot argue. Send college professors or diplomats to speak in behalf of the politicians. Lawyers are excellent individuals who can make sense of the ambiguity of the language of the draft.
Students cannot agitate forever and leave there lives behind. They need to be motivated through out and there anger needs to be channeled in the right direction.
Simply said, put pressure on three areas. Social unrest of vandalism sort, political crisis and administration standstill.
The success of telangana will depend on these fundamentals.
1) Leadership
2) Doctrine - a draft that guides your campaigns(whether lethal or non-lethal), operations and pre-determined actions. It cannot be rigid.
3) Moral influence
Just remember that all warfare is deception. It is important that you out think your enemy than to outfight him. If you are out numbered then the only choice you have is to attack, no use defending. And since your are equal or outnumbered, do not face the enemy head on - no direct attacks. Use hit-and-run tactics - indirect attacks. China uses an indirect attack by encircling india. Chip from outside. Prime objective is to break enemy's will. Destroy andhra's asset's to gain that objective. Render hyd useless. A political victory is important and social unrest cannot be called a victory. It only puts pressure.
Remember, all warfare is deception.
The more surprises you can offer, the better your chances of controlling the enemy's fate.
Strategy without tactics can lead you to victory can tactics without strategy is result in defeat. So pre-plan your actions with strategy in mind.
Finally, victory is essential, Pro-longed operations are not.
Some Andhra people have grabbed telangana jobs. They are simply thieves. They are now guarding the andhra politicians.
Some andhra people have exploited telangana resources. They are the reason why andhra has been getting more funds over telangana.
There are andhra people who have been holding power since 1956 who have deliberately done the crime of breaking all the agreements and laws that safeguard Telangana people rights.
There are some andhra people who by using corrupt politics have been able to steal the river water share of Telangana.
There are some andhra people who have been profiting from this arrangement of AP and now they are the reason why they are hindering the process of Telangana state formation.
If you are not one these then you need not take any responsibility. You can gladly go on your way never to come back. And yes, you need not be anonymous any more. You are most welcome.
If still you support these "some andhra people" you have to take the blame and all responsibility. You are not welcome. You can join the very bloody bigots in your samaikhyandhra.
First let us know if you are on of the "some" or out of the "some".
Then you make any bloody argument.
Students cannot deliver on victory. A leadership has to deliver that. Students at the most can fulfill there objectives. They will demonstrate when you ask them to. They will hold vandalize properties when you ask them to. But they cannot deliver on victory. The actions are tactics and only provides pressure. Tactics are part of strategy and strategies are prepared by the top leadership.ReplyDelete
A leadership seeks victory from the situation and does not seek it from his subordinates.
I think i cleared your perceptions and gave you a picture of where you stand. I hope you understood what is critical and what is essential. spread the word to the right people. I really think they need to know what i have said here.
- AnonymousFebruary 11, 2010 3:27 PM
Sujai & AnujReplyDelete
I didn't expect better strategy of hit and run methodology from you, because u liberated from NIZAM with that methodology with help of Andhra Mahasabha, and sleeping when entire india struggling for its freedom including you.
The outsider opinion about T movement is not less than kashmir movement as there also they always refer constitution article and always says they are merged in to India against their consent. Always says indians are exploiting their resources, they already thrown away pandits from the same way u expressed.
U told we are just only asking about state but not country ? Have u seed the dasa-disa of warangal, There are some expressions regarding separate country, saparate milatary and even we heard from some of employee union leaders also
Last thing is " U can get u r state only by convincing and requsting your fellow brothers " but not by hitler startegy like projecting all the andhra and seema people as cause for all the ill fate of telangana people
U have to remember newton third law before spreading the hatred and provoking for attacks.
U should understand the andhra and seema people are more arrogant in terms of attacks -see the history
Good luck for your wish
- l dyapaFebruary 11, 2010 4:39 PM
I am surprised post!!!!!ReplyDelete
are you seriuos when
you are suggesting all these
great ideas?or you being
what you are suggesting
is we actually go ahead and
give the world what it has
been waiting for,
i.e,confirmation that it is
a violent outfit,and not a people,s movement.
I dont think Sujai meant what
you are making out of it.
It took 50yrs to bring the
movement to where it is, did
you or anyone else think that
it could be set right in
50 days.
So many people have understood,supported and
joined the movement and you
still feel there is nothing happening.
People who think that violence
is the only way left,
please undestand that the
movement has JUST begun.
We still have a lng way to go.
Please dont publish your
thoughts like amateurs and
get into more trouble.
We need all the strength,
all the courage,all the patience and all the resources
to see to its ultimate goal.
Stop expecting instant results.
Please do not complicate things now.
We have just about started the main race.I see and feel the charge in the atmosphere like never before.
Its not leaders who win wars
but the soldiers who make it happen.
Please do not panic,or
make such comments which
might cause it.
My request to you guys
and regulars like green star sravan et all,would be to
please refrain from discussing about this further.Thanks.
After a stupendous success
like the human chain,even
the thought of lack of response
is and must have shattered
in our minds.
Just dont give in now.
I think I misunderstand your comment. As long as it is not a physical abuse, or destroying property, or mental abuse(using bad words etc) I am okey. In one of the blog even Sujai explained the current status of the countries which was created on hatred of neighbours(ex pakistan etc).
//How many of you are there like that whose lives would have been better with parents in govt jobs . A few thousands? What about the millions who did not get even those small jobs by being suppressed as Dalits...not for 50 years but for.....//
Thats again proved your ignorence, dalits fought against the Doras, they are gone. Now they are fighting against Andhra, eventually they will go.
//Should Kannadigas launch an agiation that you and your wife have 'settled' in their state and taken away their jobs.//
There is no end to your ignorance. Who is talking about private jobs here? We are talking about Govt. Jobs. Sujai is not working in Govt. job at Banglore.
//Enough has been read and discussed about jobs, water, 601 etc.
At the end of the day it comes to the same thing: If Andhras had not come the jobs would have gone to telanganites.
I am stating the same on behalf of Kannadigas today.//
So, you didnt even know what is GO-610 about. heheheheh..... You better stop posting till you spend some time reading about those. Go and stand for Kannadigas, everyone laugh at you......
//Andhra Mahasabha, and sleeping when entire india struggling for its freedom including you.//
weeevw....so no end for your ignorance. You are asking like when we are under British control why didnt we fight with Japan. hehehehe.....
//Have u seed the dasa-disa //
If you also see those, you must know that there are many people from Andhra wants get saperated. hehehhaahah...
//U have to remember newton third law before spreading the hatred and provoking for attacks.//
May be you misunderstand newton third law. You first hit us by stealing, now we are hitting you back very hard. got it?
//U should understand the andhra and seema people are more arrogant in terms of attacks -see the history//
Yup, we learned that after around 400 killed in 1969 movement by your Govt.
Some where you are telling about Telangana CM. Could you please tell me total how many years AP was ruled by Telangana CMs and who ruled most years and how many years is that.
It is so much fun taling to a ignorant like Anonymous. He dont even dare to give himself a name, but he is questioning our dareness.
Its riduculous to compare GO 610 and loss of kannadigas jobs in bangalore. GO 610 is all about "Governament Jobs" and not private jobs. If sujai, or any other non-kannadiga has been working for any organization related karanataka state governament, then the revolt would have started in less than 10 days. No telangana person in anywhere has spoekn about private jobs.There is no reservation in pvt jobs. Please remember that telanagana movement is about govt jobs and govt spending. Telanagna people have waited for 53 years for this. U can see what is happening in maharastra and other places. This only shows the patience of telangana people. Please dont show your naivety by comparing govt jobs to private jobs. Your argumentrs are like lagadapati.
- TRS GoonFebruary 11, 2010 5:27 PM
Dear Sujai and Telangana fundamentalists, do you want to know why your "freedom movement" has no sympathy among general Indian public? Follow along this hypothetical conversation between Sujai and a Karnataka Rashtra Samiti (KRS) Goonda -ReplyDelete
KRS Goon: Hey, why do you have "Jai Telangana" sticker on your car?;
Sujai: I am a Telangana freedom fighter
KRS goon: What the hell? you are living in the great state of Karnataka. How dare you say Jai Telangana?
Sujai: But, I thought I was an Indian citizen with freedom of speech?
KRS goon: How dare you insult my great state while living under my mercy? You bloody colonizing Gulte!!! Apologize right now, or else....
Sujai: I have nothing to apologize for
KRS goon: You arrogant Telugu supremacist!!! first you come here and steal my job, then you plunder my natural resources and you are preaching your little kids about Telangana superiority....then you say you have nothing to be sorry about?
Sujai: No, I am an educated and proud Indian, It is due to people like me that Bangalore has become Silicon Valley of India.
KRS goon: Shut up you arrogant fool!!! Why dont you go back to your stinking Telangana...and I will grab your car and house because they truly belong to me.
Ok all you Telangana fundamentalists living outside of Telangana (or with family living outside), now you understand why everyone thinks your movement is viewed as morally corrupt by mainstream India. You are no better than Shiv Sainiks in Mumbai.
- Gandra-goddaliFebruary 11, 2010 5:41 PM
//Andhra Maha sabha supported telangana people & people in andhra gave shelter to telangana people//ReplyDelete
Many people do not know, that CHAANDAA (CHANDRAPUR Dist in Maharashtra, border are after Asifabad, ADILABAD Dist) was the "Base-camp" for young stalwarts who were trined on guns, using talwars and other weapons to fight the RAZAKAARS (Don't you know NIZAM is not one person's name, there were total of 8 nizams).
Had the last king of Hyderabad NOT got influenced by QUASIM RAZVI (who was similar to some crooks of core-committee / coteries)and had nizam merged his state with independent india, may be all out history books filled with Asafjahi, qutub-shahi details instead of potti-sriramulu's story.
We see a bigger coup in doing a "status-quo" arrangement with NIZAM first, then qausim razvi episode, then killing 4000 farmers of telangana and after independence also 800 die in agitations and thousands die of starvation apart from farmers, weavers, tribal deaths.
Where is the mention of CHANDA camp OR latur, usmanabad camps. There are incidents of very few people trying to take shelter in vijayawada (from kodada, nalgonda areas) and they were given houses with high rents and ill-treated, do you know these details??
Andhra mahasabha and grnathalaya udyamam, vishalandhra ninadam - we learnt now how to create an udyamam from base roots....
the more delay in forming telangana the more united telanganites will become and expose all dirt that was put on telangana... be it culture, language, history.
- Gandra-goddaliFebruary 11, 2010 6:01 PM
No telanganite will be asked to leave by any of the kannadigas because, he - :ReplyDelete
1. did not open "Telangana meals" or telangana tea businesses there
2. happily enjoyed bisi-bele-bhaat and other local food items and never cribbed NOR gradually tried to establish native place eateries/joints
3. learnt the local language, customs, traditions and respected them and never wanted to over-power them
4. DID not get involved in local politics NOR they are concerned to enter the assembly to snatch the power thru political means..
how can you compare, sujai's working at Bangalore to Andhra's in Telangana.
If Sujai and 100 others - leave bangalore and come back to Telangana how many of you will leave?
ppl like you who make (pseudo) arguments on TV that "we came and invested in Hyd because it was a capital city" - answer to this>>>
a. Hyd was 5th largest city in 1950's - so you came
b. Hyd was int'l popualr city & rich in every aspect (time mag'z published this), so you came
c. Hyd is having geopgraphical advantage of being a central location, so you came
d. Hyd has best climatic condition (Winter, Summer, Rains - all seasons best, even president of india has a holiday home here), so you came
e. Hyd had good cosmopolitan culture and business with guj, marwari, punj will be easy .. so you came
f. Hyd had every resource - all READY... READY.. so you cam
If today - GOvt is willing to shift your andhra businessman's factory , macninary free of cost to his home town, will HE SHFT FOR EMPLOYMNT CREATION AT HIS MOTHER LAND?
Ask them to raise hand...
"NOT A SINGLE FELLOW WILL LEAVE" and tey need not leave too.
So - any one who says, had Andhra created in 1972 we could have progressed is all fake.
You ppl never wamt to develop your region, villages, poor ppl. Only those who can afford dual facilities (BESTOF BOTH WORLDS - crop yeild of andhra and comfrots of telangana) are agaisnt state formation..
Too many "anonymous" posts and do not want to reply to them.ReplyDelete
The reason this movement got in the spot light in 1969 was not because of non-violence. And the reason why this movement got in a spot light in 2009 is because of the dec 9th speech.
Technically and logically, the movement never made a mark through peaceful protests. The human chain or whatever went unheard throughout india except in telangana.
You do not have a lot of time. Like i said earlier, students will not engage themselves forever. They have lives, aspirations and dreams they will have to look into after some point in time.
I forgot to say this earlier but another fundamental for your success is the "weather". Telangana will start getting unbearably hot in march. That will make protests difficult plus students will proceed to concentrate on studies for final exams. Summer will be followed by rainy seasons and thus begins the race for college admissions.
You do not have time. The present leadership of telangana isn't smart enough to foresee simple future events.
It all comes down to pressure cause you don't have time. How you apply that pressure is up to you. Some of you have insisted that non-violence has got this movement this far but i disagree. You have made enough noise that people around india know there is something called telangana. But when it comes down to the real thing, which is getting the state, you haven't done anything since you lack strategy.
You were on the right direction when you forced the MLA to resign but then you went backwards by agreeing to wait for the committee and the TOR. The purpose of the committee is to buy time. Like i said, students cannot keep themselves engaged forever. If the committee is set to present it's finding within or around 6 to 12 months then that's a strategy adopted to kill the movement. The centre aims to kill the movement temporarily. Once that happens, they can proceed to kill the movement thoroughly. It will take another ten years for the movement to finally surface.
I suggest you start formulating pressure tactics. The politicians can put pressure by threatening resignation and forcing the state to go to elections or a president rule. The students can hold rally's, kitchen parties or whatever. My suggestion stands - hit-and-run. Force the andhra crowd to flee to coastal andhra.
Get cozy with the telangana police. If they bring in CRPF, retreat at once. Look for unguarded assets or an opening. Going head on with the CRPF is stupidity. Or wait till the centre pulls out the CRPF. They cannot station them there forever. They cannot station them at every twist or turn. There will be openings and those should be exploited.
You are at war with seemandhra. They have all the necessary clout with them. You have nothing but sincerity and this is not a movie. You stand to loose. You either start playing dirty or watch the clampdown.
- l dyapaFebruary 11, 2010 6:12 PM
@TRS Goonda,ReplyDelete
dear fellow why do you speak
of topics so unrelated???
who in here have spoken
about any pvt.jobs?
and why bring in TRS????
TRS is not telangana movement.
It did not even exist then.
Get your facts right.
When an andhraite does the
same comment it is self-defense
and when young telanganites
do it, it is naxalism,goodaism,maoism......
and the list goes onnnnnnnnnnnn
So many foolish comments
were passed by your so called andhra intelligentsia,even
on this blog.
You form an
opinion even before hearing
the entire argument.
In fact that is what Sujai
meant,that people do not
know much about the problem
but end up being judgemental
about it.
If people are losing
faith in the fabric of
democracy it is because,of
its own loopholes.
See,it gave you your right
to comment on something so important like this ,but takes away our freedom to respond ,the way we want to.
Do not comment on someones
life unless you are
living theirs.
I do not expect any sense
in your comments so,please
rest your case or do
something better with
your time.
sorry sujai,
your post was misundestood ,atleast at first glance.
please speak up and clear it.
Look at this:ReplyDelete
- l dyapaFebruary 11, 2010 6:36 PM
I really appreciate you
thinkig about the problem,
but let me tell you this
is no flash in the pan movement.
Please understand that the momentum has picked up only
in the last few months or so.
Getting violent may only worsen the situation,with many people ending up in jails and all of
them I can assure would only
be from telangana.
A hung assembly would be an appropriate way to pressurise
the centre.Which I think would also make the leaders of
political parties take a clear stance.
As far as using violence is conserned it would only make
our opponents case stronger,and ours weaker.
I strongly support action ,not violence.
Lack of proper forums and a
proper political agenda ,or political representation so far have been the problems,and not interest.
The world only sees TRS ,when we say telangana,and we know what tactics they used towards the cause.
@TRS GoonReplyDelete
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion. The problem with people propogating samikya andhra in hyderabad (like anonymous) is they dont speak any sense. They never give any logic for being united and only thing they have to talk is KCR and TRS. This is thge reason why they dont come out and talk.
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 7:14 PM
@ SujaiReplyDelete
//India is turning apathetic and elite. It does not wake up to a genuine people's movement anymore.//
Just because you think Telangana movement is a genuine peoples movement , doesnt mean that other people will agree with you. They have seen many movements , they were all called genuine. Like gujjar agitation, NANO movt, Narmada bachao etc. They dont have stomach for any more movements. They know clearly that just by creation of new states ,poverty wont be reduced ,jobs wont be created. Those are people's main concerns ,not which accent the filmi actors are speaking.
//That's because Indians no longer respect a non-violent movement. //
Good , let your true feelings come out. Hatred will result in violence. You are filled with hatred for andhra people , you will not be able to stay non violent for long.
// When an Andhra movie, Adhurs was allowed to screen in Telangana, //
Allowed to screen ? Do we andhra people need your or other telangana fanatics permission to run our businesses in Telangana ? Arent you the guy who said many times that andhra settlers can live and do business in telangana without fear? What laws had adurs producers broken ?
//After Nizam, we were immediately colonized by Andhras.//
Oh ,if it is case why didnt you join us in our 'Jai Andhra movement' in 1972. Didnt realize then that we were colonials . Were you waiting for more time for where andhra taxes and investments to develop telangana.
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 7:20 PM
@ AnujReplyDelete
The way you are speaking about violence shows that you are not in Hyd ,nor your family is in Hyd. Why don't you show the way by doing some attacks yourself or ask your family members to do violence.
You are even worried that students will soon get back to studies and exams. What a moral crime the students will commit by not doing violence like you suggested and instead go back to studies, writing exams like normal students
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 7:22 PM
@ BixReplyDelete
It may not be a wise idea to write about politics on company bulletin boards. Just a advice.
//It may not be a wise idea to write about politics on company bulletin boards. Just a advice. //ReplyDelete
It is not about politics. It is about the Telangana people.
//Oh ,if it is case why didnt you join us in our 'Jai Andhra movement' in 1972. //
Show me few history articles about how we stopped your Jai Andhra Movement? After the 1969 Telangana agitation, your leaders damn sure know that state will not be divided. You must accept you have hidden agenda for your movement.
//Arent you the guy who said many times that andhra settlers can live and do business in telangana without fear? What laws had adurs producers broken ?//
Yes he said but you read only the part of the Sujay's statement. Please read as follows
Adhra settlers can live and do business in telangana without fear as long as they respect Telangana people, culture, language, there wishes and do not grab a Telangana resource illegally. Didn't our beloved Gandhi banned British produced goods in India? Why he did that? Because they are using that revenew against the India. Adurs producre challenged us that when Telangana don't have strength stop his movie how come we get our own state. So we proved by banning his movie and we are going to prove again by getting our state. You need to read the news that when TRS/Kavita banned the movie, every one including JAC condemn Kavita's move. But none did after Nani's statement. Nani is a anti-telangana guy, and he running his movie in Telangana to make money from Telangana and use it against Telangana. Got it?
//Hatred will result in violence.//
Our voilence is nothing compared to what you did when you want to saperate from Madras. Don't forget your true history.
//Just because you think Telangana movement is a genuine peoples movement , doesnt mean that other people will agree with you.//
Didn't you thought the same thing when you are doing your 'Jai Andhra Movement' and 'Saperate Andhra' movent against Madras?
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 7:57 PM
@ Green starReplyDelete
////It may not be a wise idea to write about politics on company bulletin boards. Just a advice. //
It is not about politics. It is about the Telangana people.//
Haha , looks like you have no common sense at all. companies dont care about any people , they have some policies on what their employees can post on company bulletin boards. People can get fired if company feels the content is inappropriate .
//Show me few history articles about how we stopped your Jai Andhra Movement? //
You didnt stop us ,but if you joined us ,you would have got rid of " Andhra colonials"
//Adhra settlers can live and do business in telangana without fear as long as they respect Telangana people, culture, language, there wishes and do not grab a Telangana resource illegally.//
Tell me which law says that one has to respect Telangana people,culture,language ,their wishes. Which Telangana resource was 'Adurs' grabbing illegally.
//Didn't our beloved Gandhi banned British produced goods in India?//
Our Gandhi didnt threaten indians to ban british goods , he didnt send goons to attack places selling british goods , he gave a call for boycott. Your Telangana leaders should have done the same , without using violence or threats . I mean if telangana people were upset by Adurs ,why would they watch it. Why do you have to attack theaters and get it banned through pressure.
//You must accept you have hidden agenda for your movement. //
Everyone knows the hidden agenda for Telangana movement: to steal Hyd which was developed by andhra people.
//Haha , looks like you have no common sense at all. companies dont care about any people , they have some policies on what their employees can post on company bulletin boards. People can get fired if company feels the content is inappropriate .//ReplyDelete
See, that's why many people had already concluded you that you come to decision very quickly. I didn't said that he can put those things in company bullitin board.
Your statement should have look like below
It may not be a wise idea to write about regional problems on company bulletin boards. Just a advice.
We strongly ask you to call this movement as peoples movement but not a political movement.
//You didnt stop us ,but if you joined us ,you would have got rid of " Andhra colonials"//
You have no right to start 'Jai Andhra' movement when you didn't support us in '1969 agitations'. Actually the 'Jai Andhra' movement is itself bulshit when they are agitating by asking to revoke the agreement which they have signed when the merge. When central ruthlessly crushed the 1969 movement, only head less people will start agitation again in three years for a saperate state. After our try in 1969, we thought of trying politically. But you can not prove that we are stopped you from saperate Andhra.
//Tell me which law says that one has to respect Telangana people,culture,language ,their wishes. Which Telangana resource was 'Adurs' grabbing illegally.//
Tell me which law saying Govt. jobs can be filled with a non-local when a local candidate available? You have no right to talk about laws, you bent the laws many times and now asking us about laws? Nani, challenged us that we can not stop his movie, so where he is now? In jail? So why not JAC leaders are not in Jail for banning the movie?
//Our Gandhi didnt threaten indians to ban british goods , he didnt send goons to attack places selling british goods//
You do not want to condemn Nani's satatement but you want us to condemn KCR's statement about 'Bhago'. Great logic. You have no right to talk about voilence when you did so much voilence in Andhra in case of Samaykandra. Gandi didn't send any goons but people went into streets and burned the british stuff. Same way Telangana people burned movie reels and posters.
//Everyone knows the hidden agenda for Telangana movement: to steal Hyd which was developed by andhra people. //
Have you thought the same thing when you asked Madras? You didn't get Madras because India thought it belongs to Tamils. Same way it is very neary that Central will create Telangana with HYD capital because it belongs to Telangana in every way.
Everyone knows the hidden agenda for Telangana movement: to steal Hyd which was developed by andhra people
This is one of the ridiculous and naive statements I keep hearing from the andhra lobby.
This is the reason why Telangana should be formed with or without Hyderabad. This tells the headstrong nature of Andhra lobby.
@Green StarReplyDelete
Excuse me for interuppting ur debate with Anonymous. One small correction..
//but you want us to condemn KCR's statement about 'Bhago'//
KCR BTW clarified umpteen times what he meant, that 'Andhra Bhago' was targetted at those so-called businessmen who occupied acres of Govt/Wakf land one way or other to advance their personal buinesses in Hyd. No one in Telangana is apologetic in that context.
Now continue.
Thanks man. I did clarified that many times that Bhago is only for the people who are staying in Telangana with illegal jobs or illegal lands.
But Andhras always take those two words from the statement and make mess about that. Ignorants.....
Thanks for your concern. Fortunately,My company does allow discussions on current affairs.
Welcome back Sujai. Great Post again.ReplyDelete
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 10:22 PM
//You didn't get Madras because India thought it belongs to Tamils. Same way it is very neary that Central will create Telangana with HYD capital because it belongs to Telangana in every way.//ReplyDelete
Oh , then why did the centre appoint xyz commission to listen to all stakeholders ,when it wants to create telangana with Hyd as capital ?
Andhra people already gave up one capital because of centres high handedness once , this time they will fight with all their might . So unless you give up on Hyd ,say good bye to Telangana
Man - I cant agree more with the views expressed. I was in Hyderabad when the agitation started and the only thing the media wants is the violence and the sensationalism.
The villages that I have been to and the people that I talked to were all overwhelmingly in support of the creation of the state. It is very unfortunate that the rest of Indians treat an issue of separate state as a separatist threat.
I was reading the Indian Constitution the other day in light of this movement and the very first page of the constitution - Article (3) - clearly states how legitimate a demand for a separate state is.
From the Indian Constitution:
3. Parliament may by law—
(a) form a new State by separation of territory
from any State or by uniting two or more States or
parts of States or by uniting any territory to a part of
any State;
(b) increase the area of any State;
(c) diminish the area of any State;
(d) alter the boundaries of any State;
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 10:36 PM
@ Green starReplyDelete
//Bhago is only for the people who are staying in Telangana with illegal jobs or illegal lands. //
Then the slogan should have been :
"Telanganawale jagao ,law breakers bhago "
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 10:49 PM
@ PrasanthReplyDelete
// Article (3) - clearly states how legitimate a demand for a separate state is //
I am at loss to see how article 3 states about 'legitimacy' of a state demand. It merely says who has the power to create states.
//I am at loss to see how article 3 states about 'legitimacy' of a state demand. It merely says who has the power to create states. //ReplyDelete
See.... that proved you again. All Prasanth is saying is, asking for a separate state is constitutional. You Andhra Band keep saying that it is like dividing the country, unconstitutional etc.
//"Telanganawale jagao ,law breakers bhago " //
Good slogan.
Law breakers = Andhras who illegally enjoying Telangana jobs and lands.
- RealityFebruary 11, 2010 11:18 PM
//All Prasanth is saying is, asking for a separate state is constitutional. You Andhra Band keep saying that it is like dividing the country, unconstitutional etc.//ReplyDelete
Same way asking for Hyd as UT is also constitutional. You telanagana band keep saying that it is like dividing country ,unconstitutional ,immoral etc.
Same way asking for Hyd as UT is also constitutional. You telanagana band keep saying that it is like dividing country ,unconstitutional ,immoral etc.
That is a good start, atleast you agree that Telangana and Andhra have to be divided. Go tell the your "United Andhra" band to fight for real thing, "We want Hyderabad" not the fictitious "United Andhra" crap.
- RealityFebruary 12, 2010 12:15 AM
@ VinayReplyDelete
//atleast you agree that Telangana and Andhra have to be divided. Go tell the your "United Andhra" band to fight for real thing, "We want Hyderabad" not the fictitious "United Andhra" crap.//
Oh , i agreed long back .We cant live together with all this hatred. Thanks to the poisonous propaganda of telangana fanatics we have become british,nazi etc. They are even preaching this hatred to innocent children.
Just like your Telangana band uses violence and intimidation tactics and then claim it is a nonviolence fight our andhra band will use "United Andhra" as a mask for Hyd. Demand for Hyd will be our ace.
- CounterRealityFebruary 12, 2010 1:18 AM
I am from Hyderabad local, born and boughtup,wants to be with Telangana State....
by the way who are you to say make hyderabad a UT as if you are saying Hyd is your jagir. yes it is telangana`s jagir, jus be thankfull to let you stay here peacefully all these years
i know, now you are not staying peacefully coz thief got caught
Thanks to the poisonous propaganda of telangana fanatics we have become british,nazi etc.
I am no telanagana fanatic but a ardent supporter of Telangana state all along. This support didn't start with KCR or TRS and will never end. People like you partray every supporter of Telangana as fanatic without thinking properly. My in-laws are from andhra and settled in Hyd, I also lived in andhra for 8 years. In your view I may be a fanatic but I am definitely not a fanatic.
- AnonymousFebruary 12, 2010 5:30 AM
Is there any video about KCR speech when he said "Andhrawale Bhago"ReplyDelete
We can watch that speech and understand the full words and context of that speech.
Green Star said...
Thanks man. I did clarified that many times that Bhago is only for the people who are staying in Telangana with illegal jobs or illegal lands.
But Andhras always take those two words from the statement and make mess about that. Ignorants.....
Good reality, If asking HYD as UT is constitutional then we will ask vizag ,viajayawadaReplyDelete
- Peter KrembsFebruary 12, 2010 6:33 AM
Why ask Vizag, Vijayawada... ask for whole of seemanandraReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 12, 2010 6:47 AM
What did KCR say about 610 ?ReplyDelete
He wanted 610 scrapped.
From 1971-82 all the CM's are from Telangana.
What did they do during their time for telangana employees ?
Who wanted to correct the wrong things by bringing 610.
NT Rama Rao in 1983.
Then Telangana leaders like KCR himself wanted this scrapped.
Now some telangana terrorists, without knowing this history claim totally opposite things.
Please educate yourself first, before you launch false statements.
First, KCR was talking about zonal system not GO610. You andhra ignorant doesnt know the difference.ReplyDelete
Second, KCR is for Telangana, but Telangana is not for KCR (if you can under stand the difference). He is not the King of Telangana to talk behalf of Telangana. Before talking about KCR's 1996 statement, you must know that all of your leaders in either 2004 or 2009 elections they did accepted for Telangana not they showing there second tongue.
Third, between 1971-82 here is the CMs list from Telangana.
PV Narasimha Rao - 30SEP1971 to 10JAN1973 => 468 days
M Chenna Reddy - 6MAR1978 to 11OCT1980 => 950 days
T Anjaiyah - 11OCT1980 - 24FEB1982 => 501 days
Total 1919 days (aprox 5.25 years), it is important to see that none of the CM completed his term. I dont know what Telangana CMs did in this 5.25 years but in rest of 50years Andhra leaders looted Telangana as much as possible.
Fourth, NTR did bring the GO610, but he didnt start the implementation.
Fifth, one Andhra ded dhimakh gadu asking us to educate ourself.
- AnonymousFebruary 12, 2010 10:07 AM
Telangana protagonists:ReplyDelete
1. Sridhar Babu - married a 'job grabber' tamilian from another state.
2. Marri Shashidhar reddy - son of Chenna Reddy - married a 'job grabber malayali from another state.
- AnonymousFebruary 12, 2010 10:08 AM
I thought Jalagam vengal rao was also cm of apReplyDelete
- AnonymousFebruary 12, 2010 11:51 AM
From 1971 to 1982, there was not a single CM from Andhra.ReplyDelete
Telangana politicans know that after agitating in 1969 they got these.
Now they will do the same.
If some Congress person is given CM post for the next 11 years, there will no telangana.
Velagam born in Andhra.ReplyDelete
And every one should understand that none of Telangana CMs are allowed to complete there CM term.
If a Andhraite stay in Telangana for more than four years and got the Telangana jobs, then it is not illegal. All we complaint about is they moved to Telangana with the Govt job appointment. That is illegal.
If you United Andhra band wants so bad to be united, why dont you agitate to ask state Govt. to release white papers. If non illegal appointments are done in Telangana then why did a Andhra CM (NTR) passed GO610?
You have history of stealing jobs from the time of merge. You did caught red-handadly stealing jobs before 1969 and your CM agreed to fix this. And you caught again in 1983, NTR passed GO610 to fix this. And again caught with Girglani commission report, nothing was done about it. All these promises are trashed so we are not ready to agree on another GO or agreement. Because you are not a trust worthy.
Between 1971 and 1982 were the most distressing times in entire India.
AP had seen 5 turns of CM's in that very period. And three of them were from telangana. Isn't that odd?
And not to forget 2 years of the said period saw the most infamous Emergency. No democratic govt.(so only 8 years of effective gov.)
AP also had president's rule enacted for few months.
That I think would answer your doubts.
And with in this brief period there were two revolutionary policies enacted in AP... the land reforms(first of a kind in India) and AP residential schools. Thanks to CM from telangana, our PVN.
Andhra politicians did not happen to enjoy this kind of development. They overthrew PVN Rao's government in less than 18 months by raising "Jai Andhra".
And more,
Sri sailam Project with plans to provide water to telangana, Rayalseema and Chennai was conceived in this very period. But needless to say after Anjaiah the plans were implemented in a preferential way.
And on the andhra side, the construction of Cotton Barrage in this period and reconstruction of ayacut of Godavari Delta project in this very period.
I forgot,
Most of the SRSP project phase I actually was constructed during this very period.
After all not very distressing part for AP atleast.
Well as you said, there were no Andhra CM's during that period.
TX for letting me know that.
- AnonymousFebruary 12, 2010 11:21 PM
Only because of Zonal system, there were restrictions on who could be hired from what zone.ReplyDelete
due to the irregularities or complaints the 610 order was issued.
KCR himself wanted the zonal system abolished. If that was done, there is no need for 610.
jalagam Vengal Rao is a native of Khammam.
I even went to his native village near Banjarru.
My brother-in-law's family is from there.
So i know the truth.
Again i state, from 1971-1982 not a single CM is from Andhra/Rayalaseema.
70's was a turmoil in the country and Indira Gandhi was in a panic and frequently changed CM's when she did not like them.
Indira Gandhi was elected from Medak as MP.
She did bring in new developments
(of course Telangana thugs conveniently forget this or do not even want to say this).
KCR did said to abolish the zonal system but not he recruitement process. You don't understand the difference.ReplyDelete
GO610 was to fix the illegally appointed jobs, KCR asking to take out the restrictions which preventing to use the resources very well. If you say KCR talks for whole Telangana, then your Harsha Kumar also talks for whole Andhra. In future if a Koun Kiska leader damands to allow the Andhra looting it doesn't mean whole Telangana wants it.
All your leaders(including public?) want telangana just before the elections.
Vengal Rao might have settled in Khammam, but he is not born and bought up in Telangana. Like how you claim that you are staying in HYD for 10 years and you say you are not telanganite. You may have been to Khammam, but I am belongs to Khammam. So I know the more truth than you.
Whats the use with a CM when he can not concentrate on the activities with several state and central issues? That too in 5.25 years?
//She did bring in new developments
(of course Telangana thugs conveniently forget this or do not even want to say this). //
Would you care to tell few developments? I don't think so, because you don't have any. hehehehhhhehe...
You conveniently forget that AP was far better off compared to the turmoil in 1970's.
And as you repeatedly say, it is ironic that there was no Andhra CM during that period.
Or may be there was some thing to it?
Umh think about it.
- AnonymousFebruary 17, 2010 4:37 PM
"AP Police can subdue criminals, but it can never subdue an Entire Population"...... Progressive Telangana FoundationReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 19, 2012 2:19 PM
The marriage happeded before 50years is not eligible for divorce today. All the three regions were so tightly coupled that they can't be separated now.ReplyDelete
The movement started by so called leaders is for the sake of their political unemployment.
In the so called developed Andhra region, only 3 (east, west, krishna) are really developed in terms of Human Development Index because most of the people are employed/engaged in some form of employment mostly agriculture. This development must not be credited to Indian politician. It was the genius of Sir Arthur Thomas Cotton and captain Buckle.
Most of Telangana areas are backward just as its counter parts of Rayalaseema and north and southern districts of Coastal andhra. Look at the people in Srikakulam/Visakhapatnam rual areas or people in Ananthapur. They are cousins of Telangana people only.
Development comes only from education, employment but not from separate state or agitations.
Think wise.. Look at North Eastern states in India where people were looted and raped by Indian, Bangladesh, Myanmar politician and terrorist groups and Chinese army as well to some extent. They are suffering much more than us in Telangana or whatever region in India.
If some sadist people want to see desert in coastal regions then ask for separate state.
Ask Prof Kondanda Ram, Gaddar etc whose children were now settled in Foreign. So they must be looting the region they live.
They are living in foreign by respecting the foreign laws and bound to there local laws. Where as Seemandra people in thousands occupied telangana reserved govt jobs illegally. Know the numbers, Telangana region(without HYD) raise more taxes than Kostandra and Seema. If we raise more taxes why we are not getting more development, are they spending out tax money on our land or they moving it to Kosta?ReplyDelete
This Whole T thing is built on a castle of propaganda. Old trick of propaganda is to blame people one region religion or ethnicity as responsible for all ills of the society, This was used by Nazis and of course Mao who is an idol for Naxals. So seemandhra people are parasites, capitalists blah blah blah,.. all of seemandhra people looted T people despite the fact that Rayal Seema and Srikakulam and the THE MOST BACKWARD areas in the state. Getting a new state with TRS CLOWNS KCR and Family is Panacea for everything... T people are the only people who suffered injustice albeit evidence that all of Indian economy was decimated by that moron Indira Gandhi socialist policies..10 years to get a telephone, paying bribes for each government officer and now massive corruption of Sonia cronies.. Instead of focusing on real issues which are destroying the economy..i.e. corruption, centralization of power in New Delhi and transparency into party funding and government purchases we need talk about KCR versus Jagan. Brain dead movement driven by false intellectuals who propagate Government jobs as solution for everything. Why cant we fight for minimal government. T politicians, AP politicians or SEEMA politicians are all of the same breed. Anyone who thinks some T state is going to make them millionaires , solve all the problems or give them salvation are like Jihadis who think that they will be blessed in Paradise with wine, and virgins. GROW UP PEOPLE.ReplyDelete
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The Malaise Trap is an amazing character study (with a fantastic title…I love a clever title). So complete and well-considered is the narrative that I was convinced that I was reading an autobiographical account. Writer Jack Bracken has created a character that feels lived in and real, which is all the more impressive when one considers that this is a person defined by obsession. Obsessive personalities are one of the easiest go-tos for people wanting to score cheap sympathy or in need of a characterful short-cut. The Obsessive Loner stands shoulder to shoulder with other such two-dimensional supporting characters as the Manic Pixie Dream Girl and the Shy Quirky Indie Nerd.
But obsessive personality traits are very real, and can be extremely destructive; to both the subject and to those closest to him or her. Or they can be a boon. Countless artists and scientists and thinkers owe their discoveries and breakthroughs to obsession. The Malaise Trap strikes a careful balance between those who paths as we inhabit a person who has just become aware that he is at a crossroads (the gender of the protagonist is never mentioned, and not enough of the person is shown to make a determination. This choice allows the reader to project him or herself onto the protagonist. For this reason, and that of simplicity, I'll refer to the nameless main character as a male). His obsession is collecting, but at some point that urge to collect has become an urge to hoard. He has been forced, for the first time, to confront the possible future that lies ahead of him, and make some tough decisions.
This book is very well considered, and Bracken does a tremendous job crafting a believable history for the main character. Artist Reid Psaltis does an equally great job with drawings that carefully straddle the line between realistic and macabre. Great brushwork, strong black spotting, and careful panel framing let the objects and props speak volumes. My only criticism is that the pages are VERY text heavy. And while this does make possible for the aforementioned method of not showing the protagonist while still allowing large amounts of information to be provided, it also creates some awkward panels. There are many great moments in the protagonists' life that are mentioned that I would have loved to see depicted.
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Ukraine separatists vow to go ahead with controversial referendum
The referendum is due to take place on Sunday in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of eastern Ukraine, where armed groups have been involved in deadly clashes with Ukrainian security forces in recent days.
At least seven people were killed and 39 others were injured in violence Friday in the flashpoint southeastern city of Mariupol, the Donetsk regional health department said. Acting Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said the casualty toll is higher.
The mood in the city of Donetsk was tense on the eve of the vote, as its residents wait to see what happens.
The head of the referendum committee for the self-declared "People's Republic of Donetsk," Boris Litvinov, insisted that the vote on greater local powers would go ahead and that preparations are well under way.
Voters will be asked the question, "Do you support the Act of Independence of People's Republic of Donetsk?" The options are "yes" or "no." A similar question will be put to voters in Luhansk.
Meanwhile, in a small town near Slavyansk in the northern Donetsk region, a Russian government-controlled TV channel was periodically showing a banner along the bottom of the screen that told viewers where they can vote in Sunday's referendum.
That channel, Russia 24, is available over the air to residents of Donetsk, who can access it in their homes.
The banner lists the location and voting hours and advises voters to bring a passport. The banner is only shown on the Russia 24 channel and not on other channels.
The explicit advertising of voting places and times on a Russian state-controlled channel comes as President Vladimir Putin advised pro Russian activists here to delay their vote.
Ukraine government's concern
Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov told a Ukrainian TV show on Saturday that a move to federalization would be "self-destructive" for eastern Ukraine, according to his official web page.
"It is a step nowhere for these regions. It is euphoria that may lead to very complex consequences and many people can already feel them. Those who call for independence do not realize that it is full destruction of economy, social programs and life in general for the most people in this area."
Turchynov said he was concerned by some separatists' attempts to turn Donetsk and Luhansk "into area of constant military actions, economic ruin and no prospects" and urged those not responsible for serious crimes to turn in their weapons in return for amnesty.
Ballot boxes
The electoral commission office in Donetsk was ringed with sandbags and barbed wire as of Saturday morning.
Men in balaclavas lounged outside tents pitched nearby, looking relaxed. They wore the orange-and-black St. George ribbon, which has become a symbol of the pro-Russian separatists.
Some activists could be seen loading ballot boxes into a van for distribution to polling stations. But it's not yet clear where they will be or how easy it will be for people to cast a ballot if they choose to.
According to the social media pages of the Donetsk Central Election Committee, any resident aged 18 or older who can present a passport with a Donetsk region registration stamp is entitled to vote there.
The polls will stay open for 14 hours, rather than the usual 12, to allow time to add people to the voter list if necessary, the committee said, adding that access to the most recent electoral rolls has been barred by Kiev.
The activists say ballots will be distributed across the two regions. However, it's not clear whether they have enough capacity to cover the whole area.
Also unclear is what may happen after the referendum, if it does, in fact, go ahead.
Vote's legitimacy in question
Results are expected to emerge late Sunday but whatever the outcome, the vote has already been condemned as illegitimate by the interim government in Kiev, as well as by several Western powers.
Speaking Saturday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said, "We consider the referendum scheduled for tomorrow illegitimate and focus on the (presidential) election on May 25 in the entire Ukraine."
Earlier this week, Russian President Putin also urged the pro-Russian sympathizers to delay the referendum to give dialogue "the conditions it needs to have a chance."
However, representatives of the pro-Russian groups in Donetsk and Luhansk voted to go ahead with it, casting doubt on the West's contention that Moscow is covertly coordinating the separatist movement.
According to a poll released Thursday, a majority of Ukrainians agree their country should remain a unified state.
The Pew Research Center poll, conducted in the first half of April, found that 77% of Ukrainians want the country to remain united; 70% in the east feel the same. Things differ in Crimea, where 54% of those surveyed voice support for the right to secede.
On Friday, Putin made his first visit to Crimea since the Ukrainian territory was annexed by Russia in March in the wake of a controversial referendum in that region.
His appearance at Victory Day celebrations in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol, hours after he took part in a massive military parade in Moscow, was greeted by cheering crowds amid strong pro-Russian sentiment.
In Washington, the White House took notice of Putin's visit and reiterated its rejection of Crimea's annexation.
"Such a visit will only serve to fuel tensions," National Security Council spokeswoman Laura Lucas Magnuson said.
Barricades, polling booths
Back in Donetsk on Saturday, a dozen men lined up in front of the regional administration building to sign up for "military service" with the pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic. They showed their ID documents and registered at a small tent.
Meanwhile, an armored personnel carrier sporting Russian flags drove through with men wearing balaclavas on top, cheered on by some of the security volunteers.
In Mariupol, the simmering tensions between pro-Russian groups and government forces flared into violence Friday after clashes at the city police department.
On the eve of Sunday's vote, the streets were stained with blood, and City Hall and police station smoldered in ruins.
The situation was tense outside the office belonging to the head of the referendum, protected by sandbags, barbed wire and men in balaclavas.
There also have been deadly clashes in Odessa and Slavyansk, another pro-Russian stronghold where separatists hold key government buildings.
Ukrainian military forces remained in an uneasy standoff with militants in Slavyansk, who have erected concrete barricades on the roads into town.
Ahead of the planned referendum, officials in the town hastily erected polling booths in some places and prepared voter lists. Billboards were so bare of any announcements that Slavyansk hardly seemed a city on the verge of a historic vote.
The self-declared mayor of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomarev, told a news conference he expected a turnout of "100%," give or take those few people who were unable to get to polling stations.
However, despite the rhetoric, Putin's unexpected call to delay the referendum appears to have dented the confidence of some pro-Russian activists.
France, Germany ready to take further sanctions
The interim government in Kiev, which took power after ousted pro-Moscow President Viktor Yanukovych fled to Russia in February, is due to hold presidential elections May 25.
Merkel and French President Francois Hollande, speaking together in Germany, warned that Russia could face consequences if the presidential vote does not go ahead as planned.
"If no internationally recognized presidential election were to take place, this would inevitably further destabilize the country," Merkel said.
In that case, she said, "we are ready to take further sanctions against Russia."
In a joint statement, Merkel and Hollande called for national dialogue and proposals for constitutional reform ahead of the May 25 elections and said the vote should be held under the observation of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
They set out a series of steps needed to restore stability to Ukraine and said these must be a priority in the coming days.
"We deeply regret the recent violent events in, among other places, Odessa and Mariupol, which led to unacceptable losses of human lives," they said in the joint statement.
"The illegal ownership of weapons must immediately come to an end. Weapons should be collected under observation of the OSCE starting on May 15.
"This will make it possible for Ukrainian security forces to refrain from using force in their operations. During this time, the legal use of force to protect people and infrastructures must remain judicious."
Merkel and Hollande also said that Russian troops along the Ukrainian border "should undertake visible steps to reduce their readiness."
Putin announced a troop pullback Wednesday but NATO says it has seen no signs of a withdrawal of Russian forces from the border area.
Amid the war of words, Russian state media reported Saturday that Ukraine had prevented a plane carrying Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin from entering its airspace after leaving Moldova.
"This is a flagrant violation of international law," official news agency RIA Novosti quotes Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky, who was also on the flight, as saying. Rogozin later tweeted that he was back in Moscow.


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rsync is an open source utility that provides fast incremental file transfer.
Install the rsync package using pacman:
# pacman -S rsync
For more examples, search the Community Contributions and General Programming forums.
As a cp alternative
rsync can be used as an advanced alternative for the
cp command, especially for copying larger files:
$ rsync -P source destination
-P option is the same as
--partial --progress, which keeps partially transferred files and shows a progress bar during transfer.
You may want to use the
-r --recursive option to recurse into directories, or the
-R option for using relative path names (recreating entire folder hierarchy on the destination folder).
As a backup utility
The rsync protocol can easily be used for backups, only transferring files that have changed since the last backup. This section describes a very simple scheduled backup script using rsync, typically used for copying to removable media. For a more thorough example and additional options required to preserve some system files, see Full System Backup with rsync.
Automated backup
For the sake of this example, the script is created in the
/etc/cron.daily directory, and will be run on a daily basis if a cron daemon is installed and properly configured. Configuring and using cron is outside the scope of this article.
First, create a script containing the appropriate command options:
#!/bin/bash rsync -a --delete /folder/to/backup /location/to/backup &> /dev/null
- indicates that files should be archived, meaning that most of their characteristics are preserved (but not ACLs, hard links or extended attributes such as capabilities)
- means files deleted on the source are to be deleted on the backup aswell
/folder/to/backup should be changed to what needs to be backed-up (
/home, for example) and
/location/to/backup is where the backup should be saved (
/media/disk, for instance).
Finally, the script must be executable:
# chmod +x /etc/cron.daily/rsync.backup
Automated backup with SSH
If backing-up to a remote host using SSH, use this script instead:
#!/bin/bash rsync -a --delete -e ssh /folder/to/backup remoteuser@remotehost:/location/to/backup &> /dev/null
-e ssh
- tells rsync to use SSH
- is the user on the host
- groups all these options
-rlptgoD(recursive, links, perms, times, group, owner, devices)
Automated backup with NetworkManager
This script starts a backup when you plugin your wire.
First, create a script containing the appropriate command options:
#!/bin/bash if [ x"$2" = "xup" ] ; then rsync --force --ignore-errors -a --delete --bwlimit=2000 --files-from=files.rsync /folder/to/backup /location/to/backup fi
- group all this options
-rlptgoDrecursive, links, perms, times, group, owner, devices
- read the relative path of /folder/to/backup from this file
- limit I/O bandwidth; KBytes per second
Automated backup with systemd and inotify
Instead of running time interval backups with cron, it is possible to run a backup every time one of the files you're backing up changes.
systemd.path units use inotify to monitor the filesystem, and can be used in conjunction with
systemd.service files to start any process (in this case your rsync backup).
First, create the
systemd.path file that will monitor the files you're backing up:
[Unit] Description=Checks if paths that are currently being backed up have changed [Path] PathChanged=%h/documents PathChanged=%h/music [Install] WantedBy=default.target
Then create a
systemd.service file that will be activated when it detects a change. By default a service file of the same name as the path file will be activated, except with the
.service extension instead of
Note that if you need to run multiple rsync commands, use
Type=oneshot. This allows you to specify multiple
ExecStart= parameters, one for each rsync command, that will be executed. Alternatively, you may specify the absolute path to the backup script you were using for cron.
[Unit] Description=Backs up files [Service] ExecStart=/usr/bin/rsync %h/./documents %h/./music -CERrltm --delete ubuntu:
Differential backup on a week
This is a useful option of rsync, creating a full backup and a differential backup for each day of a week.
First, create a script containing the appropriate command options:
#!/bin/bash DAY=$(date +%A) if [ -e /location/to/backup/incr/$DAY ] ; then rm -fr /location/to/backup/incr/$DAY fi rsync -a --delete --inplace --backup --backup-dir=/location/to/backup/incr/$DAY /folder/to/backup/ /location/to/backup/full/ &> /dev/null
- implies
--partialupdate destination files in-place
Snapshot backup
The same idea can be used to maintain a tree of snapshots of your files. In other words, a directory with date-ordered copies of the files. The copies are made using hardlinks, which means that only files that did change will occupy space. Generally speaking, this is the idea behind Apple's TimeMachine.
This script implements a simple version of it:
#!/bin/bash ## my own rsync-based snapshot-style backup procedure ## (cc) marcio rps AT gmail.com # config vars SRC="/home/username/files/" #dont forget trailing slash! SNAP="/snapshots/username" OPTS="-rltgoi --delay-updates --delete --chmod=a-w" MINCHANGES=20 # run this process with real low priority ionice -c 3 -p $$ renice +12 -p $$ # sync rsync $OPTS $SRC $SNAP/latest >> $SNAP/rsync.log # check if enough has changed and if so # make a hardlinked copy named as the date COUNT=$( wc -l $SNAP/rsync.log|cut -d" " -f1 ) if [ $COUNT -gt $MINCHANGES ] ; then DATETAG=$(date +%Y-%m-%d) if [ ! -e $SNAP/$DATETAG ] ; then cp -al $SNAP/latest $SNAP/$DATETAG mv $SNAP/rsync.log $SNAP/$DATETAG fi fi
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