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I am working with 2Checkout as my default payment gateway on my ...working with 2Checkout as my default payment gateway on my Shopify [login to view URL] customers are redirected to checkout on different page. I need someone with experience with 2checkout integration system js on "Inline Checkout". I want customers to checkout on my website without redirection.
in the checkout page, if you sign as guest and fill the billing information and choose "Ship to this address" option, and then click continue, it does no go to the "Shipping Method" section , where it was working before and change one field label name
Hello Good Afternoon , we have this problem in 2 Store (SAME STORES) Magento 2 Checkout Error "Unable to save address" Magento Version : Magento versione 2.2.3 Important :we do not relaese miletsone bevor works 100% . So bid only if agree and if you stay in budget !
We developed opencart e-commerce website version 18.104.22.168 [login to view URL] We need checkout like [login to view URL] pls let me know the cost and time frame? thank you
I want to customise woocomerce checkout. After the customer clicks on proceed to pay at checkout, the Paypal invoice should be generated for the order and customer should be able to pay the invoice. Screenshot of Paypal invoice [login to view URL]
Programmer is needed for immediate start to: * Modify design panel Admin / User * Adpatar template in checkout to modify design This is an urgent job.
Programmer is needed for immediate start to: * Modify design panel Admin / User * Adpatar template in checkout to modify design This is an urgent job.
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Woocommerce: Adding 2 variables to cart/checkout page 1st task: Put a product into the cart and go to [login to view URL] Unfortunately the quantity cannot be changed at the cart .. please change this. 2nd task: When going to the checkout page the product attribute (color) is not visible. Change that also the product attribute is next to the
I previously had IWD OnePage Checkout 4.4 running on my Magento 1 website. I upgraded to IWD OnePage Checkout Suite v6 However this is now not working, when enabling the module this goes to a page with a blank center, just showing the header & footer. I am looking for someone who can fix this for me ASAP so please do NOT bid if you can not complete
I need to remove the address check from the checkout When a user signs up and they go to pay, if there is no address in the system for them, they are redirected to address screen for quick check out. If the check uses step, skip step. Possible solution: In the preferences > order page, add field for hard coded address System grabs provided address
After upgrade from 18.104.22.168 to magento 220.127.116.11 - 1- Onepage checkout page credit card drop down list doesnt working. (you can see in attached picture) - 2- Out of stock products shows in frontend. (Display Out of Stock Products=no)
I have a wix site, [login to view URL] and I need to put the Stripe Checkout plugin onto it, as the current Wix Store on the site doesn't do what I need it to. I understand that this may require some coding work on the wix site, but should be easy enough. Please quote full cost to do so and give examples of implementations you have done that are
Implementing a Visa Checkout button on an NGO website for international donations
...with the name attached to the billing information, not the shipping information collected at the checkout process. I am in need of changing that in a live website. The work has been done part way, however when a user enters a valid email address, the checkout process isn't recognizing the email. This is on a live website and needs to be remedied asap.
I'm looking for a WordPress developer who can create a child template for the checkout page. I have an example (frontend). https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JvZSW_OWt8V42maFlOUrd1wjz0GUXj_05apn5V4wvR4/edit#slide=id.g49c5274397_0_49
I need you to develop some software for me. I would like this software to be developed using Javascript. Need A 24Hrs Working Java Script For Price Errors And Auto Checkout And Place Orders Script. For More Details Show Interest In Inbox
I have one HTML Page on which I wish to Create PayPal Checkout Client-Side Integration. On PayPal payments should be seen also orders details. It should be done strictly by PayPal Instructions ([login to view URL]) and well documented in Code.
We have a custom product plugin which builds a suit. It has many options to build the suit but they used to show in the checkout and order. Now they do not after someone made a modification to the file. I need this quickly fixed. I can point you to the ajax add to cart file that has been modified and you should see the issue. Please include AJAX
Change sort and hide some fields in Magento 2 checkout
I have a woocommerce site on AVADA theme and need the checkout process faster. My current site is at: [login to view URL] and I need someone to make the checkout process faster similar to [login to view URL] Bid
fix wordpress checkout information have wordpress and woocommerce and need to get info that's asked to customer at checkout changed to be right need this done asap in 1-2 hours max
I need my website re-configured.I already have a design, I just need you to build my online store.
We are at the testing phase of implementing Visa Checkout in our website ([login to view URL]) but are facing some difficulties with the JSON code for getting payment data before we can advance to Production. We need someone to work with our developer to finish the code and follow thru with the project. It´s simple if you have
Im looking for a PRO WP Coder who can modify woocommerce checkout page, some elements must be added
Hello. I need a webpage. I need a CheckOut page for an e-commerce website. My website Build WordPress.
Using the checkout form for woocommerce i cant change the text color for the "Shipping state" field. The selected shipping state value currently shows as light gray. I want the selected shipping state to be black text. I have applied the following css but i cannot change the shipping state field because it is a select2 jquery. .woocommerce-account
Ron Currie and Sons Ltd – Checkout Project - [login to view URL] based on Opencart 126.96.36.199 We have now outgrown our current checkout on the site and we are looking for a new checkout for it. The current checkout suffers from a few bugs on Ipads and small screened laptops and in general people find it a little difficult to use. What people struggle with
Hi, I want Woocommerce Checkout Cloaking. What I mean is when the buyer clicks on place order from checkout, the site redirects to other other domain for a fraction of a second and then go to the payment processor such as Paypal or 2checkout. After the Payment, the customer should come back to the main domain.
...ensure all international currencies are converted back to GBP at the last stage of the checkout and processed in GBP. I believe we need to switch the currency to GBP once the customer reaches the checkout page with a modification in the catalog/controller/checkout/checkout.php...
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Need help at Checkout Process at Prestashop - here is PayPal Plus integration default the option is not checked i need that it is default checked that i have directly the pp plus options shown
I have running spree application and I would like to add features and maintain the application for long-term, I need 40 hours per week. I am willing to pay high rates to Quality developer who has proven spree experience in past
The problem: When a user is going to make a payment in my woocommerce, he presses the 'buy' button and his payment is processed by the payment gateway BUT he ins't redirected to thank you page and after some time loading, the server returns a 524 ERROR, i have installed the same website in my local and a check that this problem is only in the live server, so i think is due a server...
Hi, I have opencart shop, in this shop I have installed AJAX Quick Checkout PRO modification: [login to view URL] and two shipping methods: [login to view URL] [login to view URL]
...CAN NOT WAIT. We have an issue on our Magento 2 website where some customers go to the Checkout page, and when the spinning wheel appears, it just keeps spinning. It appears that sometimes the checkout page will not fully load, and the customer can not checkout. This is a problem. I did some research and saw that this is a known, somewhat common
I just need a simple HTML code inserted in my cart template to hide the checkout button until the customer has $250 inside their shopping cart. I have a stencil theme on Big Commerce. Thank you!
Hi i need a way that i can create a buy now button (code) and enter a paypal email. If customer clicks on it he get redirected to his PayPal and send the payment amount i set up in it. I cant create a buy now button in my paypal as my paypal is personal. Someone has experience?! Thank you
Scenario : When addresses are entered incorrectly - only "Local Pickup option available", instead of that we need to 1. show error message in the shipping methods left sidebar "Please enter address properly" 2. Hide Local Pick up Reason : Users are entering wrong address and they think that only local pick up is available, so we will display local pickup only if atleast 1 othe...
We are [login to view URL] a billing and checkout solution. We need to create a simple woocommerce extention that will add us as the checkout option.
I have suddenly had an issue with our web shop. The checkout page doesnt move after the continue button is pressed. I need this fixed asap, as we are losing money.
We have a working version of our dev stack(mysql, Java spring boot, web broser ...file. We are having issues trying to get our app to run on other machines from a clean install. We created a windows image with clean install of MySQL dataserver, and Spring STS for Eclipse. Our app will not run in the VM. We would like assistance in troubleshooting.
Need to hide " local pick up option " on the check out page and show notification message saying that " Please enter address properly" - When other shipping methods are not available
We require an upgrade of an existing PayPal Pro checkout. Upgrade includes new PayPal dynamic checkout functionality and acceptance of VENMO payments in particular. PayPal information for developers: [login to view URL] Please also see attached PayPal files. Website is built on heavily customized Opencart platform: http://lucyinthesky
Customise the layout, background of sections, and design of my Woocommerce checkout page like in the attached image. In addition, I would like to add 2 order bumps as seen in the attached image. Thanks.
We want to style our checkout form. Please check attached. We have the HTML+CSS code for what we want implemented, so it's should be easy to add to Wooocommerce checkout files. We have many tasks, if you do this fast we can provide a lot of work.
When you click on the Region / State field on our opecart 3 store, it only displays '--please select-- and --none--'. Thanks
We encountered an issue on map in the checkout page. - The map can not be shown in second language(Traditional Chinese Version) - Incorrect/Unknown locations are shown in the map
Hello, I am looking for someone that can make the variants changeable in the checkout card of prestashop. As you can see in the screenshot the quality in the checkout card now is fixed. This needs to change into a dropdown box where the quality can be changed, same as on the product page. Once the quality is changed the price also has to be updated
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Rumpole of the Bailey Classic TV Show
Leo McKern stars as the "Old Bailey Hack" Horace Rumpole. Quoting Wordsworth, Coleridge, Tennison et al Rumpole defends the cases others refuse to touch. The only person he fears is "she who must be obeyed", or in other words his wife.
Rumpole of the Bailey Fan Tributes16 margaret from alabama: He makes me laugh out loud. I love his love of British verse and christian qualities.
15 Mike Tocci from USA: Rumpole is a fantastic character and one of my fictional heroes. His love of fairness for all is an admirable trait that is sorely lacking in the American criminal justice system. I am 34 and just recently discovered this great show. I look foward to reading the books by John Mortimer. I now own the DVD box set and am rapidly making my way through it. As a great fan of many British programmes (so often much better than our American shows) I am ecstatic to have found yet another gem from across the Atlantic. Other than House MD, starring Hugh Laurie (of A Bit Of Fry & Laurie, Blackadder, Alfresco and so many other greats) most American shows lack the rich characters of the BBC, Thames and ITV. (Of course, Laurie is a Brit doing a bang on American accent.) Leo McKern and company have touched my heart and challenged my brain in what must be one of the greatest legal dramas of all time. Mortimer has created a world that I can't wait to explore fully and to tell my friends about so that they may also enjoy this wonderful and timeless programme. Thank you, Britain!
-Mike Tocci
14 Michael Heseltine from Canada: Best British series, I think. Can't understand why it never seemed to win any awards. Though most great series go on to show their age, Rumpole seems as fresh today as when it first aired. I just watched "Rumpole and the Erternal Triangle" where Rumpole is asleep at a piano recital and says to Hilda, "For god's sake turn that thing off, Hilda. It's keeping me awake." Nobody but McKern could pull off lines like that. I'll be chuckling all night. Would there had been twice the episodes.
13 peter schroder from hampton, new jersey: i am getting all the dvd's from rumpole at the bailey. my wife and i love the english language and humor of rumpole,hilda, and all the others.fantastic!
12 Peter A. Statti MD from Santa Maria, Ca. USA: I suspect that The Rumpole Club of Santa Maria is the last active organization dedicated to reading Mr. Mortimer's wonderful tales. We have had weekly meetings since November 27th, 1991
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11 ALAN ROYLANCE from U.K.: Watched every episode of Rumpole and read every book, long may it be repeated on TV. Well done Mr Mortimer.
10 Miriam Jones from Greer, South Carolina: I'm such a fan. I have all the videos and books. With the passing of Leo McKern, Rumpole passed too. I have done several paintings of Rumpole for attorneys. I wish that there had been a "Penge Bungalow" episode with Horace working "alone and without a leader". I have lost a friend. Think I'll go watch a video, now.
9 tom davidson from herndon,va.: Not much gives me greater pleasure than to lounge in front of the fireplace on a cold winter night,with a glass of brandy, my dog at my feet and watching any episode of rumpole.
8 Maxine Johnson from Nassau, Bahamas: I will forever treasure working with him on Rumpole Returns..my first film, he made it too easy. I will miss him and his family.
7 chuck zannetti from sacramento, california: Rumpole is fearless. He stands for the little person and against injustice inflicted on us by those feel thay can, as long as they can get away with it. We should all be a litle more like him. He's also a decent person. Aand where would he be without She Who Must Be Obeyed?
6 Wallace Plummer from U.S.A.: My favourite moment would be the first time I ever heard Rumpole refer to his wife Hilda as "She Who Must Be Obeyed". Ripping great fun and a truly memorable moment.
5 JEFF JACOBS from BLOOMFIELD, CONNECTICUT U.S.A.: The Rumpole character was made by Leo McKern, of course the scripts were brillaint but he made every word sound so natural.
My wife and I were glued to the television each time he was aired in North America. What a loss of talent that will probably never pass this way again.
4 Tom May from Sunderland: Fantastic series! Please keep on showing it. All of the wonderful regulars and McKern in particular, are magnificent.
3 Jane Parkinson from Manchester: He was and is wonderful I cant get enough of him.
2 Christopher Vincent from Sydney, Australia: Was there ever an episode in which Mr Bernard's first name was mentioned?
I met Leo McKern on several occasions At the Sebel Townhouse in Sydney, which is 100 yards from my residence. He always stayed there, & we breakfasted together.
1 Manuel Echevarria from Miami, Fl.U.S.A: Leo McKerm,Rumpole you will be remembered for ever. Thank you.
Rumpole of the Bailey
Genre: Drama
Year: 1978-92
Leo McKern as Horace Rumpole
Robin Bailey as Judge Graves
Derek Benfield as Albert
Peter Blythe as Samuel "Soapy Sam" Ballard, Q.C.
Peter Bowles as Guthrie Featherstone
Jonathan Coy as Henry (the clerk)
Julian Curry as Claude Erskine-Brown
Edward De Souza as Mr. Bernard
Maureen Derbyshire as Dianna (the secretary)
Norman Ettlinger as Percy Hoskins
Patricia Hodge as Phyllida "Portia" Trant/Erskine-Brown
Rosalyn Landor as Fiona Allways
Denis Lill as Mr. Bernard
Marion Mathie as Hilda Rumpole
Peggy Thorpe-Bates as Hilda Rumpole
Abigail McKern as Elizabeth "Mizz Liz" Probert
Richard Murdoch as Uncle Tom
Joanna Van Gyseghem as Marigold Featherstone
Moray Watson as George Frobisher
Peter Whitaker as Jack Pommeroy
David Yelland as Nick Rumpole
Jane Asher, Anton Rodgers, Nigel Havers, James Duggan, Elizabeth Hurley, Leslie Phillips, Saeed Jeffrey, Julian Glover and Peter Sallis.
Writer John Mortimer picked up an Edgar Allan Poe Award for crime and mystery writing for Rumpole of the Bailey.
1920-03-16: Leo McKern (Horace Rumpole) was born.
If you know of a web site for Rumpole of the Bailey, or run a fan site, tell us about it here.
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Startup companies are finding new ways to promote themselves to potential angel investors via funding websites, but the risks are high. One site that lets startups post profiles warns, "Expect to lose your money." Photo: Double Robotics.
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A large portion of my working day is spent discussing the treatment options for painful knee arthritis. I have found that treatment of this very common problem is not "cookie cutter" and needs to be individualized to each patient.
The discussion about treatment options can be complicated and overwhelming. We, as an orthopaedic society, have not yet found a cure for global cartilage loss, which in its most basic terms describes what arthritis is. We are making good advances with different techniques to regenerate cartilage in small areas of cartilage loss, usually in the younger age group, but the majority of arthritis patients who have more widespread cartilage damage are not candidates for these regenerative procedures.
The only course for these patients, to eliminate arthritis from the knee, i.e. a cure, is a knee replacement, where the damaged cartilage and the underlying bone are removed, and then replaced with metal and plastic parts. Though that is the only true cure, I initially steer patients away from that course of treatment for as long as possible. While other treatment options are not "cures" they can give significant relief. And because arthritis is not a life threatening process, living with it, as long as pain is controlled, is a completely reasonable option.
Conservative options are numerous. Arthritis is an inflammatory process, so, using an anti- inflammatory medication is the best option when considering oral medications. Ibuprofen or naproxyn are good over the counter choices. Tylenol can be as effective as these NSAIDS in certain patients. I do encourage my patients to take these with food as they can irritate the stomach. In patients that have a history of stomach upset or ulcers, more selective anti inflammatory medications can be as effective for pain with decreased side effects. The cost of these medications is significantly higher. There are also prescription options if over the counter medications are not helpful. The use of glucosamine and chondroitin supplementation is a discussion in and of itself, but the bottom line is there probably aren't any harmful effects and can improve pain in certain patients. As long as the cost is not prohibitive, it may be worth a try.
Certain types of bracing can be effective if chosen carefully and used to "unload" the damaged portion of the knee. Another method of "unloading" a painful joint is use of a cane. Some patients are surprised by the relief provided. Simply losing weight is very beneficial. The less weight born by the knee, the less symptomatic arthritis is. Weight loss is typically a difficult undertaking for most patients because their knees are so painful exercise can be difficult, but, that being said, I encourage it strongly. Also, if patients do proceed to surgical intervention decreased weight leads to decreased risk of some of the rare complications associated with knee replacement.
When patients are treated by an experienced physical therapist who has an accurate picture of the patient's diagnosis and symptoms, treatments such as heat, cryotherapy, taping, hydrotherapy, ultrasound, and other more advanced electrical modalities can be successful in alleviating arthritis pain. Strengthening the muscles around the knee and improving motion is also helpful to patients with their postoperative recovery when knee surgery is undertaken.
One step up from the most conservative treatment options, but not as aggressive as surgical intervention, is injection treatment. This is simply another option for conservative non surgical pain relief. Injectable steroids, like cortisone, decrease the level of inflammation in a knee. The duration of benefit is quite variable but I've found that 3 months is about average. There is no downside to repeating these but they are typically less and less effective the more they are used. When these widely used medicines become less effective, another type of injectable can be used called which can be broadly referred to as visco supplementation injections. There are various types made by different companies. This family of medications is a more expensive option than cortisone and are roughly as effective. Initially it was thought that this type of treatment worked by "lubricating" the joint, similar to oil in an engine. However, over years of study, the effect seems to be as an anti- inflammatory, similar to cortisone.
Once patients have exhausted all of the measures, discussion about joint replacement surgery is in order. Other than the rare risks associated with any surgery, the reason to avoid knee replacement as long as possible is the simple fact that they do not last forever. It is analogous to changing a tire on a car. Knee replacements have a "tread life". They will wear out over time. The timeframe for the wearing out is much longer than in the older style of components but is still theoretically a concern. So, waiting as long as possible in the hopes of only needing one surgery to help with knee pain is desirable. . Knee replacements are quite successful, however, the outcome of the surgery is not dependent only on the success of the procedure itself but also the effectiveness of the rehabilitation which is very patient specific. Discussing the risks of surgery with your surgeon and having an accurate expectation about what the postoperative recovery entails is crucial to an excellent outcome. An educated, prepared patient stands a much better chance of a fully functional and pain free outcome than a patient with no knowledge of the difficult, and sometimes painful, recovery process.
Knee arthritis in the United States is becoming much more prevalent and having a patient population that understands the treatment options will help with overall results and satisfaction.
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"Americans look to Europe for a deeper tradition, but European tradition prior to the Renaissance--which began in the 14th century--was nothing to write home about."ReplyDelete
I'm not sure I'd agree. The Renaissance looked back to their ancients, that is the ancient Greeks and Romans. The ancient Romans has a large empire that rivaled China's, and they were certainly around 2,000 years ago. The ancient Greeks go back even further, and the advanced literature that they had (e.g. Homer, Plato, Socrates) continued to influence the ideas of Western authors past the 19th century. Unlike the cultures of China, Korea, Japan, etc, however, this wasn't a unified culture that continuously existed from that ancient time to the present, but far more fragmented. Still, if you skip over the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages, I think Europe has a lot to be proud of.Replies
Why skip over the 'dark ages' and 'middle ages'? You can be proud of that too! The term 'dark ages' is a misnomer.Delete
The dark ages was named so by the people who believed they lived in better times, as usually has been the case, i.e. we call ourselves the modern era, so everyone before us must be premodern right?Delete
But I agree with your point, when T.K. writes "Americans look to Europe for a deeper tradition, but European tradition prior to the Renaissance--which began in the 14th century--was nothing to write home about. " he should realise he should stick to things he knows something about. It was a completely unnecessary sentence.
I agree with FarFromKorea's point too. And that sentence The Korean wrote either needed to be written in a different way, either it needed further explanation, but written as it is, it's way too misleading. My intuition tells me, however, it has to do with Egypt or something, but it really needs clarification.Delete
While I largely agree with you, I have to point out that you forgot to mention the Mongolian rule over Goryeo. From the late 13th century to the mid-14th century, unlike other period, Goryeo was practically a puppet state of the Mongol Empire.ReplyDeleteReplies
I was doing research on the Mongolian Invasion of europe, It would let me assume that the mongolians had give up europe territory because it was not necessary. My professor were skeptical because he thought that they stop the invasion due to the fact that their KHAN died in the middle of their plan but It wouldn't make any sense because the plan was postponed forever even after they elected their new KHAN(king for mongolians).I would say it is because their country boundaries are being spread too wide an the new khan thought it might cause trouble for him to control.Delete
Maybe so, Kanie, but, lets also admit that the Mongolian Empire, was not Chinese.Delete
A good comment from a Korean person who has answered similar questions: "I explain it as the United Nations with five or six member states, with China being the only member of the Security Council."ReplyDeleteReplies
Although it may seem like probable analogy, but it in fact fails to go deeper. United Nations is basically an aggregation of several nations to serve as a mediator for a common purpose that will theoretically lead the world into better place, UN in fact does not have its own citizens to serve for, UN does not have its own foreign policy, UN does not have nationality. It's just an abstract term to describe the Union of several nations.Delete
China on the other hand in historical perspective has her own citizens to serve for.
IIRC, the closest ancient China ever got to Korea was the Hansagul or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Commanderies_of_Han - but this just covered parts of the Liaodong peninsular, which (after some back and forth) is still part of China today. So no part of the two modern states of Korea were ever part of China.ReplyDelete
That said, the vassal state status seems like a bit of a crapshoot - Korea and Vietnam were vassal states and are now clearly independent countries, but Tibet and the Ryukyu Kingdom were also vassal states and today the former is considered an "inseparable part of China" and the later is clearly part of Japan. Unless there is something else I'm missing which explains the otherwise apparent inconsistency between the treatment of former vassal states Korea and Vietnam on one hand, and Tibet on the other. (Okinawa was allowed to vote on the matter IIRC, so that's explainable.)
The British Commonwealth system is a bit weird. The Queen of Britain is also the Queen of Canada and the Queen of Australia, but the three countries maintain separate governments and the Queen is just a figurehead. I remember reading something about a disagreement between Canada and the UK, and the Queen came out in support of the UK position. Later, the Queen appears in Canada supporting the Canadian position.
Also, during the 1975 constitutional crisis, the Governor-General exercised his powers, but the Queen herself stayed out - even when she was invited to use her powers. Sure, the GG is appointed by the Queen, but I think that's largely a formality - IIUC the GG is nominated in his/her original country and then the Queen accepts the original country's choice. What I'm trying to say (and TK hasn't stated otherwise about this AFAIK) is that the governments of Canada, Australia, et al. are fully de facto independent already. The power of the GG doesn't really change this.Replies
The Hansagul actually covered most of northern Korea, see map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuantu_Commandery#mediaviewer/File:Han_commanderies_and_kingdoms_CE_2.jpgDelete
Weren't Tibet and Ryukyu outright invaded and conquered by China and Japan respectively?Delete
Oops. Well, it looks like no part of South Korea was never part of the Commandery.Delete
Another map (with Chinese bias): http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%BC%A2%E5%9B%9B%E9%83%A1#mediaviewer/File:%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E6%BC%A2%E5%9B%9B%E9%83%A1%E9%87%8D%E6%96%B0%E5%88%B6%E4%BD%9C%E4%B8%AD%E5%9E%8Ba.jpgDelete
- Anonymous6/25/2014 1:43 AM
The Four Han Commanderies covered present day Pyongyang up the southern Manchurian tip and Liaodong.
Whether "vassal state" means "part of China" is a question of semantics and not very meaningful. It's clear that China was the hegemon in Asia (actually, by no means for 2000 years -- their power was waxing and waning and you're forgetting that both the Mongols and the Manchus conquered China) and they very likely could have conquered Korea and administered as a colony at various times. Just the same they could have conquered lots of territories, who knows what would have happened if the Zheng He expeditions would have gone just a bit farther to either America or Australia? But they simply had no intentions to do so, which ultimately led to the "century of humiliation" from the mid 19th to mid 20th century.ReplyDelete
I do agree, though, that Europeans tend to try to view everything from their perspective and its difficult to fathom for them that China (Korea and Japan, to a lesser extent, too) as a culture and political entity in East Asia goes back more than two thousand years. People can still read Sun-Tsu in its original, whereas the average English speaker would have difficulty to even try to read Shakespeare, not even to talk about Plato (similar age as Sun-Tsu).Replies
Minor nitpick - Sun Tsu is written in an old form of the Chinese language known as Classical Chinese. It was the lingua franca of the area for a long time, having roughly the status as Latin did in the post-Roman period in Europe. And it's still taught in schools in East Asia today. However, most Chinese are not fluent in this language and probably would have a hard time reading Sun Tzu in the original in its entirety. They'd be more likely to go for a Mandarin translation.Delete
It is astonishing when you consider that China is one of the original civilizations of the world, yet still going strong and getting stronger now. For comparison, one can imagine that the Pharaohs had lasted up until the present day, and Egyptians were still using hieroglyphics.Delete
Yet it is not true that European civilization goes back only to the Romans and Greeks, but, through them, it is heir to the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Anatolian civilizations, which are far older than any others, as more and more archaeological discoveries are confirming.
"Yet it is not true that European civilization goes back only to the Romans and Greeks, but, through them, it is heir to the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Anatolian civilizations, which are far older than any others, as more and more archaeological discoveries are confirming."Delete
I guess it all goes back to Sumer?
You are correct that the European civilizations of the ancient Greeks and Romans were heirs of the ancient Egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc. However, mesopotamia was in the middle east, not Europe. Egypt is still in Africa. (Both are physically very close to Europe, though, but a line is drawn excluding them from it.)
Also, while China is the oldest continuously existing civilization still in existence, there are African tribes which are thought to be far older (thought to be 15,000 years iirc) and have continuously preserved their way of life for that entire period.
- Anonymous6/25/2014 1:51 AM
The Manchus and the Mongols didn't try to fully integrate Korea probably because they didn't have the population. Nomadic peoples have far less food density than agrarian civilizations like China and Korea. For the Mongols in particular, Korea was an especially difficult nut to crack. Five invasions over 30-40 years and their victory wasn't complete. It took another dozen years, with active cooperation of the Koryo royal family to root out Choe military dictator die hards.Delete
Making Korea a vassal and/or protectorate was the cheapest way the Mongols and Manchus could have gotten what they wanted (i.e. mostly security on their eastern flank) for the cheapest price while they carved up China (the bigger prize) like the proverbial Christmas turkey. Making Korea a colony would have meant unceasing guerrilla warfare and would have tied up precious military resources that could be used to conquer the richer states of southern China.
- Anonymous9/08/2014 7:22 PM
Matt and FarFromKorea: by what criteria is China the "oldest continuously existing civilization"?Delete
If by territory, there have been regular, long periods of history when the core Chinese homeland was controlled by foreign dynasties; these have been incorporated into Chinese historiography but they represent major discontinuities of territorial integrity.
Capital cities have also moved around. Beijing was originally the capital of the foreign Yan kingdom and subsequent northern dynasties, but never the capital of Qin, Han, Tang or Song dynasties. The historical capitals are all inside of modern China, at least, but there is not direct geographical continuity between them.
In terms of ethnicity, the genetic composition of the modern multiethnic Chinese state - even the Han majority within it - is not the same as ancient Chinese Han and non-Han groups; as much as there is continuity in the Han (漢) ethnonym, there have been regular influxes and absorption of other peoples.
If by language, nearly all surviving languages have been continuously spoken (whilst evolving and changing at the same time) in some related form since ancient times. Modern Mandarin is a quite different language to Old and Literary Chinese both in terms of pronunciation and structure. If surviving in situ is a determinant, then the Celtic languages (Irish and Welsh), Greek, Persian, Cambodian and probably Korean are all strong contenders, though of these only Persian and Greek had writing early on..
The longest continuity seems to be Confucianism and Taoism, which Communist China lost and has been preserved better in Korea and Taiwan. Ancient China - i.e. the Shang dynasty - was pre-Confucian and had shamanism, which was lost relatively early on.
I'm not saying the above changes and plurality are bad things but I'm not sure with which aspects of civilization we could define a "continuity of existence" which can't be found amongst many other regions and peoples of the world. The strongest contenders seem to be writing and historiographic tradition.
This is not an attack on your comments; I genuinely wonder about these points, especially the question of ethnic continuity.
(Andrew Logie)
There are some who go as far as to state that even Japan was a vassal state of China, e.g. http://japanwatching.com/society/119-japans-split-identityReplyDelete
No one ever says Japan is part of China! Clearly, the vassal state status is something very different from a colony.
Interesting stuff. I never understood how the whole "vassal state" thing worked.ReplyDelete
I remember a scene from a historical drama I watched (황진이) where a representative from China forces the Koreans to burn the musical scores to some of their traditional songs, arguing that China is a greater nation and the Koreans' cultural items are inferior. I have no idea how historically accurate that scene was, but it gave me the impression that the Chinese had a greater degree of control than what's described here.Replies
'Vassal state' is, historically, an ambiguous term that can range in meaning from virtually complete independence to almost total subjection. Precisely the advantage of the Chinese relationship with its 'tributary' neighbours was that it allowed both parties to the relationship to view it in a different way. Yet at the same time it confirmed both in their view of China as the centre of civilization, and the view of the Chinese Emperor as, ultimately, 'the' Emperor: even if his authority on Earth might become exiguous in the outer provinces, he was still the representative of Heaven, whose word would be absolute if only virtue and harmony were restored to the world. It was even fitting, in a way, that the further you traveled from the imperial throne the less people paid attention, because that was part of what made them barbarians.Delete
Korea, I believe, viewed itself not as an outer barbarian state, but as a junior partner in civilisation, and was so regarded by at least some Chinese.
To add to my previous post, you might think of China's propagation through diplomacy of this view of itself as the centre and seat of Heaven's appointed ruler on earth as a species of 'soft power'. Of course, it helped that China genuinely was the source of civilization, and its cultural products added to this soft power.Delete
Unfortunately for China, foreign acceptance of its self-centred view didn't necessarily help: invading enemies would simply cast themselves as new and more legitimate emperors-of-the-earth-as-mandated-by-Heaven and, look, see how Heaven favours us with this big army and sweeping victories? The emperors of Rome were regarded in a not dissimilar way by barbarian kings who aspired to be 'Caesars' and rule civilized provinces in the 'central', and more favoured, regions of the earth.
The term was 소중화 (小中華) Sojunghwa, "Small China".Delete
After the fall of the Ming dynasty, many Koreans thought that they were the last inheritors of Chinese civilization. They started calling the Manchu Qing Dynasty "northern barbarians" (胡, 호). This legacy is still found in a few Korean words today: 호빵 (Chinese buns) and 호떡 (Chinese pancakes). Of course, diplomatically, things were largely the same as before.Delete
- Anonymous6/23/2014 1:01 AM
The monarchy in England is separate from the monarchy in Canada and the monarchy in Australia etc. The role of monarch is held by the same person, but they are distinct and equal.ReplyDelete
They don't consider the British queen to be their monarch. They consider their own queen to be the monarch. Queen Elizabeth is Queen of the United Kingdom, Queen of Canada and Queen of Australia simultaneously. She's also Queen of Barbados, Queen of Papua New Guinea, Queen of Antigua and Barbuda and a number of other states.
Since Elizabeth II resides primarily in the UK, she has appointed governor generals to carry out most of her duties. But again, she is not appointing those individuals using her role of Queen of the United Kingdom; She is appointing those individuals using her role as monarch of the respective countries. i.e. The Queen of Canada, not the Queen of the United Kingdom, appointed the Governor General of Canada
By that logic, do the mafioso have a virtuous confucian relationship with the shopowners they provide "protection services" to?ReplyDeleteReplies
"By that logic, do the mafioso have a virtuous confucian relationship with the shopowners they provide "protection services" to?"Delete
Well, mafioso generally don't follow Confucian practices or beliefs.... and shop owners generally don't turn a profit on paying others for those kinds of "protection services".
- Anonymous6/23/2014 7:42 PM
"European tradition prior to the Renaissance--which began in the 14th century--was nothing to write home about"ReplyDelete
I would be very curious to hear what made you write this sentence.
What are these "traditions" prior to the "Renaissance" for you ?
Do you really think that all Europe suddenly changed when Filippo Brunelleschi built the dome of Florence's cathedral ?
You talk about continuity of China's empire, but you don't see the continuity between the Roman empire, Charlemagne's empire, and so on.
Modern historians said that the Roman empire ended in 400 or so, but contemporary people didn't see it like that, there was no "end" for them.
I think that you could easily guess where the "Roman" in the "Holy Roman Empire" (which lasted until the 19th) came from.
By the way, thanks for that interesting post.Replies
I don't see the continuity between the Roman Empire and say, the Holy Roman Empire (i.e. the "kingdom of three lies.") I suppose one can say there is a thread that connects the two, but by that measure, there are a thousand threads that connect the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty.Delete
In my opinion, Rome is not exactly a part of the European history, since Rome encompassed the Middle East and Northern Africa as well. After the fall of the Roman empire, Europe went through a long afterglow of Rome until Renaissance, when it finally started doing something original from a global perspective.
From a language perspective, the Romance languages of Spain, France, Italy, Romania, and various other regions of Europe are part of the legacy of Rome, as was the use of Latin as a language of culture and of the Catholic church throughout Europe.Delete
The thread connecting Rome and the empire of Charlemagne or the 'Holy Roman Empire' was a tenuous one, but it at least demonstrates the persistence of the idea of Rome, and the idea of a universal emperor.
As for medieval Europe, it's easy to sneer at it and point to Tang dynasty China or the Islamic world, but in judging it we are generalizing about a large area and a period of over a thousand years, one that did after all produce cathedrals, castles, illuminated manuscripts, and parliaments, to name just a few examples.
There's also the small fact that Rome is in Italy, which makes it a bit weird to say 'Rome is not exactly a part of the European history'. Sure, they took over the whole Mediterranean basin, but it's the nature of empires to take over foreign territories...again, it's weird to use that to deny Rome is part of European history.Delete
@T.K. Thank you for your reply.Delete
I have the feeling that you underestimate Rome's legacy over Europe (by the way, the very fact that, for centuries, historians tended to think that everything that wasn't referring to Classical antiquity was of no interest is a great proof of Rome's legacy), and how much the early Middle Age was a rich period (in all aspects).
About Rome's legacy, I'll take as example Saint Gregory of Tours.
He was a Gallo-Roman historian, he was born after Rome's fall, under the Merovingian dynasty.
One might think that this kind of person as nothing to do with "Rome" anymore, but actually he still was deeply roman (from an upper family, son of a Senator).
But, at the same time, he was Christian, and that's what's interesting.
The eclosion of Christianity is not a thing to neglect.
The early Middle Age wasn't a "dark" era at all, if we look closely.
Monasteries were founded across all Europe (and later Universities), and became huge cultural and intellectual centers, as never before (in western Europe I mean).
No need to wait until Renaissance to see great achievements.
And speaking about originality, in the art for example, the Gothic art was much more "original" than Renaissance (as it was something new, not a revival of Classical antiquity), and it was also global as it spread across all western Europe.
That said, I wasn't trying to minimize what connects the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty, this is another story.
My point is not that the European Middle Age was a barbaric period, nor is it that Rome had no influence in the subsequent European history. Both are plainly false. When I wrote that "European tradition prior to the Renaissance--which began in the 14th century--was nothing to write home about", the point was whether the European tradition produced anything that was world-leading in terms of sophistication or advancement prior to the Renaissance (again, excluding the Roman Empire because the Roman civilization is greater than the European tradition) such that there is something truly grand to look back on. I don't think it did. Don't get me wrong; I love Gothic art as well, but was it world-leading at the time? Not really, if one considers the incredible sophistication of the Islamic world or the Chinese empire in the same time period.Delete
Obviously, that is a lot to pack into a sentence that was nearly a throw-away. But it is interesting to see how many people seem positively offended by that one little sentence. The whole comment board is driven by that discussion for some reason.
"the point was whether the European tradition produced anything that was world-leading in terms of sophistication or advancement"Delete
I see.
But do you consider Christianity as an European tradition ?
Of course Jesus wasn't born in Europe and all. But that said, most of what we consider as the Christian traditions were born and matured in Europe, through all the Middle Age.
I'm French (not a believer) and I think that, in a lot of aspects, traditions that comes from this period are fundamental even to this days (at least in my country, and in most Europe). Not less than the legacy of the Renaissance, "Le siècle des lumières" ("Age of Enlightenment" ?), etc.
What we tend to consider as "good" or "bad" is still deeply influenced by these traditions for example.
But I think I start to understand what you meant.
The Middle Age was completely mystic. People of those times were concerned by the salvation of their souls, this wasn't really "scientific" (but still, it's quite a sophisticated question).
In this way, it sure contrast with the Islamic or the Chinese world of that time, which were more "modern", I agree with that.
"But it is interesting to see how many people seem positively offended by that one little sentence."
Well, you just said that we had nothing to refer at thousand years backward (on the contrary of the Chinese world). I think it's false, so I tried to argue.
This sentence is the most controversial part of your post I think.
I do not object to the claim that 'European tradition' did not produce 'anything that was world-leading in terms of sophistication or advancement' in the Middle Ages. And perhaps it is not so odd to think of Rome as distinct from 'Europe', because Europe was in many ways born out of the Middle Ages, albeit under heavy influence from Rome's legacy. As Antony states, 'traditions that come from this period are fundamental even to this days'.Delete
Antony is also correct, of course, that it is difficult to draw a sharp dividing line between the age of Rome and the age of Medieval Europe, especially in France, the European country par excellence. The late Roman empire was also Christian; the unity of the Mediterranean world continued unbroken until the onslaught of Islam in the 7th and 8th centuries; people in France spoke a language that could for a long time be described as simply vulgate Latin. A new species of animal called 'Europe' somehow evolved from the previous animal 'Rome'...
I'm getting all of your points, more or less, "your" as anyone who wrote in this reply, and I kinda agree with Antony's statements. But I still find it illogical and nonsense (no offense) to split Rome from Europe, because Rome IS Europe. It might have conquered a little bit of Africa and Asia, but it did have almost the whole European continent and it DOES found it roots in Europe. The intercontinental thing is merely an expansion.Delete
Also, Greece seems to be unfairly ignored here. Antique Greece has had a highly developed philosophy and literature and it even carries the roots to nowadays' politics of the "well developed world", yes, in global terms.
Sorry but what T.K. is writing about Europe is simply false. The European culture is extremely ancient and deep, and has continuously evolved in the last 5.000 years, from Etruscan to Greece periods to the Roman republic and empire, to Middle Ages , to Renaissance, to Baroque, to Illuminism, to Romanticism, to the Modern age and now to contemporary age. The traditions and cultures of th Old Continet are very ancient and comes mostly form roman period and Middel Ages. Actually the middle ages has produce so much from the way we sit on chair or in front of a desk, for instance, to the fork and knife, even to the way we type now the latin alphabet, to the mechanical watch, to water mill, to the glasses we still wear, to the heavy plow, to the Republic-States, to the type printing, to Dante and the divine comedy, to the romantic art, to the mechanical engineering,to christmas festivity, to Saint Francis and Saint Clara revolution, to school system, to Benedictus, to the scolastica philosophy and so on for thousand other stuff.Delete
I think is better to avoid writing down things like "european culture has nothing to do with Rome, European tradition' did not produce 'anything that was world-leading in terms of sophistication or advancement" Those kind of sentences make the rest of the answer definetely questionable.
if korea was never part of china, why in the hell are there chinese characters in korean language??? you might eliminate the trail. otherwise it's kinda dumb.ReplyDeleteReplies
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As pointed out by numerous other people like Seneschal and Edward, Korea was ruled by China during the Han dynasty under the Lelang commandery, which extended into the Korean peninsula around modern day Pyongyang in North Korea. Western scholars accept this, its only nationalist Koreans who try to deny this.ReplyDeleteReplies
- Anonymous8/26/2014 4:19 PM
The Han Dynasty did not rule the entirety of the Korean peninsula and/or proto-Koreanic peoples under the four Han Commandery system. Within 30 years the commanderies of Lintun and Zhenfan were abolished due to native resistance. The size and functionality of Xuantu was highly curtailed due to the same reasons. It acted more as a administrative outpost to monitor and placate the various native tribes in its area. Lelang commandery, which occupied the northern center of the peninsula, persisted for four hundred years and had a strong Han dynasty civilization presence centered around Pyongyang. Lelang then spawned Taifang commandery in 204 AD and it lasted a little over 100 years.
Both Lelang and Taifang occupied a fairly modest part of the peninsula and their urbane Han Dynasty civilization did not extend too far beyond urban centers of Pyongyang or Daifang Prefecture. The presence of Leland and Taifang does not mean that all of Korea "was a part" of China. It really means that China had several outposts of its civilization on the peninsula for a relatively modest period of time.
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There are some things in this post I disagree with.ReplyDelete
One is the portrayal of China's tributary and vassal policy as an equal exchange. This article concentrates too much on the semantics of being a "vassal", and downplays the significance of Sino-Korean relations by comparing the view of the Qing towards Britain as a vassal state.
Forget the word "vassal" or "tributary" for a moment and consider the following to show the hierarchy at the time.
- Korea paid tens of thousands of taels in copper over hundreds of years to China. China did not return the favor.
- Korea sent 4 or more tributary missions a year to China, and visited the Emperor for his birthday on some occasions as well. This is basically ass kissing. China did not do this for Korea.
- All vassal states, including Korea, had to kow tow 3 times and pledge allegiance to the Emperor on their tributary missions.
- Korea built Yeongeunmun Gate(영은문;迎恩門 "welcoming gate for obligation") specifically for Chinese envoys.
I believe the confusion may lie in the "mutual gift exchange", because in addition to taels of copper, Korean envoys would also give some personal gifts such as rare herbs etc. Chinese emperor would reciprocate with some personal gifts as well.
Basically you can think of the tribute as a form of tax. The benefits of the vassal gained for this tax was access to China. For Britain or Korea, access to China meant trade and business. Access to Chinese technology. However, due to the close relationship with Korea, the added benefit was military support (as seen in the Imjin Wars).Replies
You must have trouble interpreting the liberal stance the Korean kingdoms took for most of its history. Do you really believe the societal personalities of the Northeast Asian peoples would engage in the so called "Ass-Kissing"? Their hidden motives are what you cannot see. Even to this day, North Korea benefits more in trade with China economically. Simple reason being North Korea would have collapsed long time ago without the Chinese support.Delete
The trade deals between China and South Korea always benefits South Korea by a mile. Check the stats. Most of Chinese money is leaving the country and their federal reserve is bunk. Not to mention the ghost towns and empty shopping center they are accumulating.
Keep in mind, ancient China's economic source was the silk road. And this gateway was never always under the Chinese control. Many different groups controlled this road.
The most important aspect of China's history that you don't understand is that the tributary or vassal relation for the most of it had more benefit on the Korean soil than it would have for China. China never needed anything from the groups they labelled as the barbarians. Nevertheless, each time China halted trade with those kingdoms, China faced invasions. Invasions that would later permanently change the racial landscape of Northern China.
Another thing I would want to discuss is the assertion that Korea was fully independent.ReplyDelete
To say Korea was never a part of China is semantics. Does "part of" mean an official state or can "part of" mean within the Sinosphere. In any case, let's not debate semantics and instead focus on the claim that Korea was fully independent. I would submit that it is not. Let's look at the facts.
1. King Taejong had to acquire case vassal status with China to legitimize his rule, because he took power in a coup and had no royal blood.
2. King Taejon had to ask China for a new name for his country. He asked the Ming emperor to choose between Joseon"朝鮮" and Hwanyeong"和寧". This does not seem like an independent state.
3. In Korea's meetings with Japan, Korea had no flag and felt they needed one to represent themselves. They had to ask the Qing if they could use their flag. The Qing declined and in turn gave them the design of the Bagua which was later modified at the suggestion of a British diplomat to it's current state (notice how the colors and removal of 4 trigrams give the current flag the X shape and colors of the Union Jack?). Asking for permission for a flag does not seem fully autonomous.
4. Japan attacked China in the first Sino-Japanese war for control of Korea. China lost and signed away Korea's tributary status in the treaty of Shimonoseki.
5. Korean court and political system was in Chinese style all the way down to the dress
6. Korean Joseon emperor wore red given to them by Ming and Qing. Red and blue were the colors of lower officials in Confucian political system. Yellow as the color of the emperor and his robe had more dragons.
5. In the Samguk Sagi, the Korean historian stated "we are a vassal state of China"
6. The Independence Gate (독립문;獨立門) has a statement proclaiming that Korea is finally independent "Korea was a vassal state of the Qing Dynasty for years. However, Korea has been able to be an independent nation in favor of God"
7. Korea society in the past viewed themselves as Sojunghwa, or Little China. They took pride in the founding of "higher" Korean civilization by Jizi (Gija). Whether you discredit Gija or not, what is undeniable is that Koreans viewed Gija favorably as the person who gave them their high culture while Dangun was the mythological founder of their ancient clan. Some clans even claimed to be descendant from Gija as a sign of their superiority.
This only changed during the Nationalist Movement, when historical revisionism started. After all, it is hard to be proud of an independent nation when your founding father is a foreigner.
The last point is a little more cultural than political, but I included it to round out the whole picture.Replies
You did not look deeper to see whether the modern region "China" was ever fully independent throughout much of its entire history.Delete
Constant invasions from the steppes for the last 2000 years and foreign imperialists that governed the upper class of China since the Qin Dynasty. Most dynasties in China and its states were toppled over by foreign military intervention who often fought against each other on the Chinese soil for wealth and territory, creating political unrest, famine, and chaos for the ethnic Chinese people who wanted peace. The groups I'm talking about are the Xianbei, Khitan, Manchu, and Mongol who are of Non-Han Chinese stock whom the Chinese saw as barbarians.
You need to open your eyes and realize the diversity in China is not due to some Chinese expansionism but rather the invasions and conquests they faced unwillingly that often resulted in assimilation. This assimilation was also not some Chinese strategy. These barbarians just borrowed the Ancient Chinese ideas and technology but never did they see them as equals. Just looking at the transitions of the language Mandarin which is newer than most Chinese languages shows the dreadful bastardization Chinese had to unwillingly accept.
Korea for the last 2000 years did quite well fending off most of its rivalries. And most importantly, their "GDP per capita" was always higher than Ancient China. China on the other hand never had enough resources to sufficiently feed its population due to its perpetual overreach. And the gap in inequality was so large, people never had a chance at life until the Cultural revolution during Mao's era. That took 2000 bloody years. Historically, no one has ever wanted to immigrate to China. Aside from its capital city, rest of it was a rust-belt filled by malnourished peasants.
The only major change we saw in East-Asia is that Japan became a powerhouse with a GDP per capita worth admiring. No ethnic group in that area has ever controlled the amount of wealth to the level the Japanese are controlling relative to its population today. Not since the fall of the Manchus of the Qing Dynasty.
Further to your misunderstanding on Gija is that both Gija and Dangun are offshoots of Dongyi tribes. The so called Eastern-Barbarians. They are non-Han Chinese peoples.Delete
Truth is Dongyi peoples have ruled China before.
OK, I can't tell whether signing in ate my post; since this is being moderated, please delete this copy if you got the previous one.ReplyDelete
"The concept of "vassal state" (alternately known as a "tributary state") does not really exist any more, nor has it truly existed in the history of the Western civilization." Um? Both "vassal" and "tributary" have Latin roots, and as that implies, there are tons of examples of states tributary to and vassals of Rome. Mauretania, Numidia, Egypt, Judea and points nearby, Palmyra, Lazica, Iberia, Armenia (which was also sometimes a vassal of the Arsacid Parthian and Sasanid Persian Empires, and was ruled by an offshoot of the Arsacid dynasty)... This is *not* a complete list. Adiabene? Osrhoene? It's been a while.
You may have meant that vassalage never worked the same way in the West, and aside from the trivial level that they were conducted in different languages, with different ceremonies, etc., an argument can be made for that. For example, only the relatively inaccessible ones in the Caucasus, and to a lesser extent the others on the Roman/Iranian frontiers (Palmyra and those last two), lasted more than a few generations. But then, if you see divided China through a vassal-state lens, wrong though that probably is, then the Chinese vassals that lasted more than a few generations were also inaccessible - Korea, Vietnam, Tibet. (Was Mongolia a vassal, before or after its empire?) Another distinction is that Rome ended up absorbing most of its vassals, but Tibet shows that China can do the same thing. (For that matter, Xinjiang was sometimes vassal too.) Either way, that isn't what you said.
It's never safe to assume that an English term exists without any Western antecedents behind it.
The closest contemporary analog the historical Sino-Korea relation is the one between the United States and its vital military, special or familiar allies like UK, Canada, Japan, Philippines, etc.ReplyDelete
Now can we say those countries of part of the USA? Of course not!


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Vice-Chairs & Senior Advisor
Senior Advisor, Finance
Dr. Charles Chan
Dr. Charles Chan received his MD from the University of Toronto, Canada. He completed his internal medicine and pulmonary medicine training at the University of Toronto, Canada and Yale University in the USA. Dr. Chan was a visiting scholar at the Robert Wood Johnson Clinical Scholars Program.
Dr. Chan is a Professor of Medicine at the University of Toronto (U of T). His current hospital leadership role is executive vice-president responsible for clinical programs, quality and safety at the University Health Network. Dr. Chan's current university leadership role is senior advisor to the Chair, finance, responsible for clinical faculty affairs and finances at the University of Toronto.
Dr. Chan is the past-president of the Ontario Thoracic Society. He was an examiner for the adult respirology examining board of Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada. Dr. Chan also serves on several CPSO committees related to physician practices, and served as chair of the Provincial Physicians Leadership Council of the Ontario Hospital Association and co-chair of the Physicians Hospital Issues Committee of the Ontario Hospital association and Ontario Medical Association.
Dr. Chan has served or chaired numerous regional/provincial/government, national and international consensus guidelines groups or expert panels for treatment guidelines for respiratory conditions. Dr. Chan has also served as board members for several non-profit foundations including Princess Margaret Hospital Foundation and the Toronto General and Western Hospitals Foundation.
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Dr. Michael Farkouh is professor and Vice-Chair, Research, Department of Medicine, at the University of Toronto, and the Peter Munk Chair in Multinational Clinical Trials at the Peter Munk Cardiac Centre, and director of the Heart and Stroke/Richard Lewar Centre of Excellence in Cardiovascular Research.
He is an honours graduate of the Schulich School of Medicine at Western University in London, Canada. Dr. Farkouh completed his internal medicine and cardiology training at the Mayo Clinic and the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai New York, respectively, and holds an MSc in clinical epidemiology from McMaster University.
Prior to his current appointments, Dr. Farkouh served as the founding director of the Mount Sinai Cardiovascular Clinical Trials Unit in New York City. He has published over 200 papers largely on acute coronary syndromes and cardiovascular prevention. He has mentored numerous international residents and fellows and is active in teaching clinical research methodology.
Dr. Farkouh is internationally known for his work on the management of acute coronary syndromes in the emergency room. He has a special interest and expertise in the field of cardiovascular disease in diabetic patients. He directs numerous clinical trials on questions related to diabetes and heart disease including the NIH-sponsored FREEDOM and TAILOR-PCI trials. He chairs the committee on diabetes and heart disease at the Banting and Best Centre and at the University of Toronto and is the founder of the Worldwide Network for Innovation in Clinical Research, an international trials consortium of 10 large academic institutions. Dr. Farkouh has received the Gold Medal from John Paul II Hospital in Krakow, was elected Teacher of the Year at the Mayo Clinic, and was awarded the Jan J. Kellermann Memorial Award from the International Academy of Cardiology in 2015.
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Dr. Kumagai's excellence in integration of humanism in medical education is internationally recognized. He is the recipient of numerous teaching awards, including the AAMC/Pfizer Award for Humanism in Medical Education, the Leonard Towe Award for Humanism in Medicine, the Kaiser Permanente Award for Teaching Excellence, and the University of Michigan's Provost Innovative Teaching Prize and the University of Michigan's Distinguished Leaders in Diversity Award.
Arno is married to another endocrinologist, Eleni Dimaraki, and they have a somewhat rambunctious son, Apollo.
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After medical school at the University of Manitoba and internship at the University of British Columbia, Dr. Kaveh Shojania completed his residency in internal medicine at Harvard's Brigham and Women's Hospital, one of the world leaders in patient safety research. Following a fellowship in outcomes research at the University of California San Francisco, he stayed on faculty there for four years before returning to Canada—first to the University of Ottawa and then the University of Toronto. He sees patients as a general internist at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre and co-leads (with professor Ross Baker) the Master's degree in Quality Improvement and Patient Safety at the University of Toronto's Institute for Health Policy Management and Evaluation.
Dr. Shojania's research focuses on identifying evidence-based patient safety interventions and effective strategies for translating evidence into practice. His work has appeared in leading journals, including the New England Journal of Medicine, the Journal of the American Medical Association, the British Medical Journal, and the Canadian Medical Association Journal. Dr. Shojania held a Canada Research Chair in Patient Safety and Quality Improvement from 2004-2013. He has twice delivered invited presentations on patient safety and healthcare quality to the US Institute of Medicine.
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Since 2011, Dr. Shojania has been the editor-in chief of BMJ Quality & Safety Quality, the highest impact journal in the field.
In 2015 Dr. Shojania was appointed Vice-Chair, Quality and Innovation, for the Department of Medicine.
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She has >300 publications, and has supervised >25 graduate students from different disciplines including clinical epidemiology, health informatics and human factors engineering. She is co-PI of KT Canada, a CIHR and CFI funded national, Clinical Research Initiative, PI of KT Canada's CIHR-funded Strategic Training Initiative in Health Research and PI of a network meta-analysis team grant for the Drug Safety and Effectiveness Network. She is division director of Geriatric Medicine at the University of Toronto and director of the KT Program at the Li Ka Shing Knowledge Institute of St. Michael's Hospital.
She has authored three books: Evidence-based medicine: How to practice and teach it is in its fourth edition has been published in nine languages; Knowledge Translation in Health Care is now in its second edition; and the first edition of Mentorship in Academic Medicine.


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Husky gridders get help ... from ski team
Three games into the season and with their conference season looming, the Mammoth Huskies (2-1) have given themselves an infusion of athletic talent.
In a move that is unparalleled in Head Coach Tom Gault's long tenure at the helm, six players walked on two weeks ago, asking for spots on the team.
All of them are from the Mammoth Mountain Ski Team, and some could see game action tonight when the Huskies visit their longtime rivals, the Bishop Broncos (3-0).
"I think it's so cool that it's crossed over," said Laurey Carlson, whose son Kirk was among the half-dozen skier/snowboarder/freeride athletes to approach Gault about the idea.
"We had a couple of boys who played for us two years ago," Gault said in an interview after one of the team's practices at Gault/McClure Stadium earlier this week, "and they didn't play last year. So they came out and asked if they could try out. I told them that they'd missed a lot of work, but that I was good with the idea."
But it really wasn't up to Gault, he said.
The question was if the rest of the team was good with it. After all, they'd been on the field since August, with two-a-day practices and three games under their belts. They'd done a lot of work.
"So I asked the rest of the team," Gault said. "After all, the team belongs to them and the rest of the guys, and they said yes."
As a result, the varsity roster inflated by six – a big deal to a team that had just 20 players on the roster.
The ski team members are running back Ty Barbo, backs Carson Philbrook and Bryce Eller, lineman Clint Kasten, the aforementioned Carlson, at end, and Keeler Johnston, also an end.
Barbo is on the MMST snowboard team, while Kasten is on the freeride team.
Only Eller is ineligible for tonight's game, owing to a lack of practice time.


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Chances are that you will be welcoming family and friends into your home this month for the holidays. You'll be sharing stories and laughs over warm cups of coffee. As a host or hostess you strive to offer the best experience for your guests. The coffee you serve your guests can be part of that great experience.
Don't get stuck in a rut of buying the same coffee over and over again because it is comfortable. Adventure out and present your guests different coffees to suit their preferences. I know, I know- easier said than done. Buying coffee can be confusing. Whole bean coffee, pre-ground coffee, breakfast blend, dark roast- the list goes on and on with the all the variables that exist when purchasing coffee!
Whether you are purchasing coffee for your upcoming guests, or are just overwhelmed with all the choices on the shelf here are some quick basic tips from one of BUNN's very own coffee gurus, Doug Bishop. Doug is a Director of Product Management and samples different coffees everyday in the Beverage Lab. (Yes, there is a Beverage Lab! Read more about Doug in his Bio below.)
Whole Bean or Pre-Ground Coffee
The first choice you usually encounter when purchasing coffee is would you like to purchase pre-ground or whole bean. If you don't have a grinder, you will probably want to stick with pre-ground coffee. Coffee is a perishable item that can lose freshness once a bag (or can) is opened. Ground coffee can go stale within a few days compared to whole bean coffee which may take a few weeks. In whole bean form coffee has a more protective barrier which allows the coffee to remain fresher longer. For freshest coffee remember that the more recent a grind the fresher the coffee.
Size of bag or can
Coffee can stale fairly quickly once opened, so you may also want to consider the amount of coffee you purchase. If you only plan on brewing coffee once a week, a large bag of coffee would not be the best solution. Instead, a small quantity bought close to when you plan on brewing would ensure freshness and great taste.
Taste/Roasts of coffee
If you are looking to purchase some coffee that is pleasing to your guests, or you want to try something new Doug offers some helpful suggestions about roasts to try.
If you or your guests prefer a milder coffee, look for Breakfast blends, or Colombia coffees, or Hawaiian coffees. These coffees are usually milder in nature and can have hints of fruit and floral notes.
If a bolder cup of coffee is more your style, look for darker roast coffees and espresso roasts. Darker roast coffees are usually characterized as smoky and spicy.
If you aren't sure if you prefer a mild or bolder coffee, a good starting point for trying different roasts is to look at foods you will be serving with your coffee. Contrasting flavors work well. For instance, if you plan on drinking your coffee with a sugary, sweet breakfast, a darker roast coffee would pair nicely. Darker roasted coffees also work well with chocolate desserts.
Light to medium roast coffees, pair well with breakfast foods such as, oatmeal, toast, omelets and coffee cake.
Ethiopian, Costa Rican and other coffees that have fruit and citrus flavor notes, are excellent with tarts, blueberry muffins and fruit scones.
If you need additional pointers for purchasing coffee we suggest stopping by your local coffee shops or roaster. Baristas and roasters will be able to offer you their suggestions. They may even let you taste test some coffee prior to purchasing.
Doug Bishop Bio
Doug Bishop, Director of Product Management at BUNN, leads a core team of engineers, designers, documenters and manufacturing engineers in developing new coffee brewing equipment. He has been in the coffee business for over 25 years. He began his career as the Service Manager for an Office Coffee Service in Central Illinois. Doug trained to be a Roast Master when the business acquired a commercial 12kg roaster. He spent the next 3 years passionately expanding his craft. Even after changing jobs and coming to work for BUNN, he continued to roast coffee for the OCS Company for another year. In 1999 he came to work for BUNN and has held the position of Engineering Technician, International Project Manager and his current position. His proudest achievement is co-developing the trifecta, a commercial BUNN machine that unlocks the nuances of coffee by an air infusion single cup process. Doug has also been actively involved with the Specialty Coffee Association of America, volunteering his time during conferences and assisting in the Golden Cup Fundamentals classes.
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Moshi mō´shē [key], municipality (2012 pop. 184,292), capital of Kilimanjaro prov., NE Tanzania, on the southern slope of Mt. Kilimanjaro , near Kenya. It is the center of a rich coffee-growing region and is an industrial, tourist, and transportation center, connected by rail with Tanga on the Indian Ocean. Manufactures include ginned cotton, cured coffee, beverages, and clothing. The original town, now called Old Moshi and located nearby, was the capital of a 19th-century kingdom of the Chagga people and became (late 19th cent.) an administrative center under the Germans. In the 20th cent. the British moved Moshi to its present site.
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Tuesday, 18 December 2012
Newtown and the Gun Laws
Rational people, not just in the USA, but around the world, have been begging and discussing the need to change the gun laws of that nation and I have been listening to arguments against change that to me and many others are feeble and backward looking.
Thanks to a world in which new news comes at us so quickly and in such volume, the loss of life in such situations is quickly forgotten by the world in general, leaving only those who suffered a loss of a close relative to remember the horror.
What I am not hearing is any other argument FOR changing the gun laws. I grow weary of 'it's part of our constitution - the right to bear arms.....'. That constitution was written at a time when the world was a lot more primitive. That constitution was written at a time when the majority of the populace had very little access to a good education. That constitution was written at a time when there was no alternative in the defence of a home. The gun, which KILLS, was the only way.
Nowadays science has provided us with weapons that do not kill. Taser guns and other 'stunners' for example. Why not change the law to allow such devices to be kept in a home or business but to make it illegal to keep/own weapons that KILL.
What about me? I am a member of a gun club. Fine, I say. By all means have a well controlled gun club with a person RESPONSIBLE for seeing that all weapons are secured at the end of each day.
Perhaps it is simple that politicians who claim to care, are only truly afraid of losing some votes and not brave enough to find out if the people of America are happy with their children, husbands, wives and friends being gunned down in cold blood.
Guns are designed to KILL.
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- Pete Biro said...
The problem is we already have 300 million guns in circulation. The problem was the lack of discipline, allowing someone access to a gun that should not have had that access. I wish I knew a solution. One problem I see is young people growing up with violent video games, and violence and sex openly seen on television. Paul, using Dragon thank you, saves my wrists.
- 18 December 2012 at 09:07
- Roger Dunn said...
I would rather arm bears than bear arms
- 23 December 2012 at 16:51
- Jim Bob said...
Well done Paul for mentioning this, have a great day.
- 24 December 2012 at 03:53
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- 24 December 2012 at 08:01
- Bucko The Moose said...
I came here after reading about your post on Jimmy Saville that was apparently a refreshing read, now sadly taken down.
Unfortunately I find that you are an advocate of gun control
I won't bore you with any of the old arguments, I'll just say this: The original purpose of the 2nd amendment which is now being called outdated, was for defence of the people from bug government.
Many a defenceless people in history have been left at the mercy of a murderous state. This may not seem the case in modern western society, but when the Department of Homeland security owns enough bullets to put five into every American citizen, maybe they still need to be wary.
The American government owns many weapons and isn't afraid to use them daily against people they disapprove of. They cause more death and destruction than any group of citizens yet presume to tell people that they themselves cannot be trusted with weapons.
If the government cannot trust it's people with guns, why should the people trust the government?
I for one applaud the American right to bear arms, for defence against tyrany, defence against rape, violence and murder and just for sport.
I hope the emotionalism of this latest tragedy will not see the people become disarmed.
- 24 December 2012 at 08:51
It's difficult to comprehend the USA being in control of and understanding what they have done to get to the present day situation. They have learned from Hitler how profit can be made from Wars and have made it an Art. Now with over 45% of the budget spent on weapons of Mass Destruction. They are determined to destroy any country showing a better example than them. Like a child breaking another child's toy in anger.
Violence is Natural for Americans, they have been bred to believe that it's OK to use deadly force for anything they choose.
Typical of a collapsing Empire.
- 24 December 2012 at 09:25
You're not American Paul, so with respect it's not really your business to comment on changing the US Constitution. There should definitely a curb on Semi-automatic Rifles, and a limitation on some firearms which are frankly extreme and horrendous. However the concerns of The Framers of the US nation - founded in Revolution - were that no government or despotic tyrant could again intimidate the people of the USA, and that every man had the power to overthrow it if such a thing arose again. I'm a Brit living in America, but having studied US government and politics at University I begin to understand why they Americans are reluctant to see their Constitution rewritten. The sad fact is that the bad guys are already armed, the good guys need to arm themselves. Hence key teachers will now be armed in some States, and security measures will be assessed and improved. Sad to see that the usual US haters have used your board to push their agenda's. This is way beyond people's grievances with the US. This is about a man who was already noted for being crazy, committing an atrocious act. We should look in our own backyard eg. Dunblane and Hungerford before we criticize the Americans,
- 25 December 2012 at 15:44
Anyway changing topic to the Jimmy Savile investigation.
I think a great many people actually agreed with your comments. It does all sound pretty far-fetched. A lot of the victims look like former groupies who are now in their 50's looking for a windfall. Even Savile's chief accuser allegedly can't remember if she was 14 or 16 apparently.
I think the comments of Bill Oddie and Rick Parfitt were just the tip of the iceberg about what went on back then.
It's sad that you were crucified by the press this week, seems to me that even if anyone sheds any doubt on the claims, they are immediately attacked and lumped in with the accused. Is there some agenda behind all this which drives it all forward and keeps it going that way? Yet another aspect of the police state that Britain has become.
So now we all suddenly apply some faux-Victorian mores, and the law seems happy about having people make wild accusations on the internet, which people like Schofield then exploit.
If these accusations are to be believed they may as well round up every performer who ever went on Top of the Pops, and anyone who ever had a kid's show on the BBC.
We'll soon have a Britain where no sane man will want to work with children. Performers, Teachers, Medics... The place gets worse by the day.
- 25 December 2012 at 16:05
- illusiongenius said...
indeed. The laws should be changed, but the proliferation is still a problem. Mental health institutions were badly let go and defunded about 20 years ago making it possible for this maniac to get his hands on a gun even though it was registered to his mum. Saying guns don't kill; people do is a cowardly way for not taking responsibility for what happened. The strongest gun on Earth at the time of the US Constitution was a flintlock rifle that fire one shot every time a musket ball was loaded, rammed home, "powdered" and each shot took about 5 minutes. I wonder if politicians kids were murdered if they'd feel differently.
- 31 December 2012 at 03:50