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Start: 12:10:19
khathu: i just do the basic i.e. whatever i can find online to get them started
vicky: all of my "askers" dont have a computer or too old to get out of the house lol nada alt, khathu and I were just saying how people are asking to do research
alt: you shouldn't be so good at it khathu LOL
khathu: lol
vicky: lol I told him that all of my "askers" dont have a computer or too old to get out of the house¬� ¬�
alt: yep vicky, folks and their asking can be a 'pain in the patootie' LOL
khathu: one person wanted to locate information on his great grandfather sibling the ancestor in question was born in 1825 - Thomas Kyle so clearly that was a lost cause
alt: ain't that sumpin Khathu?
khathu: but i did locate some interesting stuff on him. according to the 1870 censue his net worth was $1600
vicky: lotta dough then
khathu: in Cherokee County, Texas $1200 in real estate and $400 in personal estate
alt: property & personal, or just property okay khathu, you beat me to it so now the question becomes How & when on the property, huh?
khathu: and i will leave that to the descendants to answer that question
alt: Ihear ya
khathu: i just do the basic
vicky: you will point them in that direction khathu mabe then they will get the "bug" so to speak
khathu: i suggested wihich records they should examine to obtain further information
alt: I'mhaving an information overload, ther eis just too much to find anymore that it keeps me going in circles. LOL
khathu: i was looking at all the pictures i have gathered over the years and there are just two pictures i would love to obtain if they exist
vicky: oh khathu, I have not see the Luckey girl since that day I told you that I talked to her. She must be coming and dropping off her grands before I get there with mine
khathu: and they are pictures of my great grandfather R. Matthew Stanley and a gg grandmother Annie Littlejohn
alt: and those are photos of who/what khathu beat me again LOL
khathu: lol
vicky: lol are they the ones in Smith County khathu
khathu: Littlejohn is from Smith County and Stanley is from Cass County unfortunately i do not think pictures of them exist
alt: did the Littlejohn origniate out of SC khathu?
khathu: my great grandfather died in 1932 the 9 months after my grandmother was born Annie married a Littlejohn
vicky: There are so many pictures of my loved ones that would love to have.The first being my grgrandmother Frances Dickerson Taylor
alt: me too vicky.. just so many I would love to have photos of.
Selma: Good Afternoon alt, Khathu and vicky
khathu: i would be satisfied if i could obtain pictures of those two individuals
alt: Hello Selma how goes it today?
vicky: I was told that the house burned down
khathu: Hello Selma
Selma: It goes good alt... LOL
vicky: hello Selma
Selma: The temperature is down.. lOL
khathu: My gg grandmother died in 1965 so one would think that there would be a picture somewhere
vicky: is Stanley her father
alt: one photo that got away I would love to hae... my grandfather in his WW I uniform, with my grandmother seated beside him with my mother in hiher lap, photo taken around 1918-1919.
vicky: oh yeah alt that would be a real coup
Selma: Does another family member have it alt
alt: they did Selma and some how it got 'lost'
alt: it hing on a wall in my greataunts living room for years and it got lost when she passed away. in one of those big pretty oval frames.
Selma: So it was probably pretty large and framed..for it to just get "lost" I knew it Ummmm
alt: that's wha I say hmmmm LOL Selma, I''m going to order the book you referred to in your post looks like it contains some 'good ' information
Selma: I gives a great overview of what was going on specifically at Fort Monroe..and more generally.. I am going to post some of the info that is on microfilm on the ration Lists that are at microfilm
Seventies Soulchild: Good afternoon Lunch Bunch!
alt: 'Write Away posted a nice interview she did with David Paterson on the Write Away Forum.
Selma: Well, well afternoon seventies...been on vacation?
alt: Hello stranger Seventies Soulchild
Seventies Soulchild: lol yes. On vacation now
Selma: I know I have to read that alt
khathu: Hello Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: Hello alt, khathu, Selma and vicky
Selma: Well I hope you are enjoying yourself seventies
vicky: I am thinking about ordering that one also Selma but torn between that one and the one about the KSC school
Seventies Soulchild: what's new??
alt: Spivey should read it...the Write Away interview
vicky: heyyyy 7
Selma: Wow..that was quick..
vicky: lol
Seventies Soulchild: got the boot. . .
Selma: Welcome back
alt: it mentioned the surname Spivey & a GA county.
vicky: WB Seventies
Selma: Figured you were relaxing..and hit the wrong key seventies
khathu: welcome back
Seventies Soulchild: thankee
alt: forgot how to fasten your seatbelt Seventies Soulchild LOL
Seventies Soulchild: lol yep
vicky: oh really alt, I have not been to read that post yet
Seventies Soulchild: talked to Jay this week... she's doing well.
alt: Jay , like in Jennifer?
vicky: where has she been seventies
Selma: Going any where seventies
khathu: have a good day everyone
Seventies Soulchild: She's taking a break from genealogy. Her laptop is in for repair.
vicky: oh ok
Seventies Soulchild: yes Jennifer
alt: how do you take a break.. Iguess with a computer breakdown, huh?
vicky: lol lol @alt
alt: at least an online break
Seventies Soulchild: Actually today Selma, I'm doing a little research. My boys are at the arcade LOL yep... alt
vicky: where are you seventies
Seventies Soulchild: I'm at a waterpark Coco Keys... the hotel & the park are all inside one big complex... lovin' it!
Selma: Wow...lucky you..sounds like fun
vicky: is that in NY?
Seventies Soulchild: The one I'm at is in CT
Selma: I am sure the kids are loving it..we have an indoor Water Park here to Great Wolf Lodge
Seventies Soulchild: They went there when they were 6 and they loved it
vicky: indoor water park wow thats what we need here
Seventies Soulchild: My aunt has a time share in the Poconos and let us use it one year I don't want to get y'all off topic.
Selma: Hey we can talk about vacations from the past
Seventies Soulchild:
vicky: lol I hear ya'
Seventies Soulchild: This is one of the best vacations we've had in a while. Of course my kids love going to MS and riding horses and 4 wheelers out in the country LOL
Selma: Actually I am surprised there is no Indoor Water Park where you are vicky
Seventies Soulchild: I had been thinking about getting them horseback riding lessons western style so they can ride on their own next year.
vicky: yes it gets so hot here selma but if you think about it folks here sometimes wear shorts year round
Seventies Soulchild: That would be great if you all could get a Great Wolf Lodge there...
vicky: especially the snow birds that come here for the winter
Selma: Great Wolf Lodge runs specials for local folks in their slow time...reduce price of the Rooms... Afternoon Dru
Seventies Soulchild: Hello porfessordru
Professordru: howdy all
Seventies Soulchild: lol ah close enough...
alt: hello Professordru
vicky: hello pro dru that would be a great investment for someone who had the money
Selma: Busch Gardens must be slow this year too..cause if an adult buys a day ticket kids get in free kid..
Seventies Soulchild: Here we got the rooms, free passes for the time we're here and free meals for kids under 12
Selma: and if you live in VA...you can get a Pass to come all season for the price of a ticket
Seventies Soulchild: Times are rough
Selma: You can't beat that seventies..great deal
Seventies Soulchild: Yep at $103 a night.
alt: yep, as bleak as things are, it is a good time for bargins if yo have the money to take advanyage of them.
Seventies Soulchild: Agree I'm also racking up frequent flyer miles on my new CC My son says he wants to take a trip to Giza!
vicky: slaping my hand on a CC
Selma: Whats up Professor Dru?
vicky: mt'ing oh, I got a call from a cousin last night who informed me that her mother told her that my father had married besides the ones we knew about She stated that she had met her and this lady was about 7 months pregnant so there may be another living child
Selma: How many times did you know him to be married?
vicky: she could not remember the girls name but that her father was in some capacity at PraireView College in Waller County three times
Selma: So now it is possibly 4
vicky: I just met my of my brothers when I went to Atlanta last week
Professordru: I was just choking on a corn chip. I'm okay now. OK
vicky: yes Selma. It kind of through me for a loop but it was a good loop lol
Selma: Glad to hear you are OK
Professordru: gotta go now.
vicky: good professor dru.. oops good she is ok
alt: vicky, I found out about a marrige my father had that I wasn't aware of when I looked at the the marriage record for what I thought was his 'first' wife.
vicky: I spent well up into the night on Ancestry looking for dads name in the Tx births I just dont understand all thos secret #@$@
Seventies Soulchild: Oh wow... any siblings alt?
vicky: were there children alt
alt: my father died when I was 11 so his past liefe was all foriegn to me until I stared doing his family genealogy.
vicky: I see
Selma: BRB
vicky: I met my fathers 2nd wife in Atlanta also
Seventies Soulchild: wow your dad was married a couple times vicky?
vicky: seems like four Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: WOW!
alt: not by his 1st or 2nd wife, but he had a child before his 1st marriage when he impreganted a young lady... they were both 14 y/o can you belive that.
Seventies Soulchild: yes.
vicky: yes alt even back in tha day
Seventies Soulchild: kids are curious . . . I haven't really researched this, but my mom says that my ggrandfather Will was married before he married my ggrandmother Alice
vkn: Howdy yall
vicky: so does that mean the older we get and we revert back to childhood we get curious lol lol
alt: my 1/2 brother was born in 1908... I didn't arrive until 1934, so there was a lot of living between those two year by my father that I had no idea of .
Seventies Soulchild: Which makes sense because he was 30 when he married my ggrandmother.
alt: hello vkn
vicky: hello there vkn
Seventies Soulchild: Hello vkn Alt your brother is old enough to be your father! wow!
vicky: did you get to meet him alt, your 1/2
vkn: I need yalls help to decide new text logo. Will bring to chat tonight
Seventies Soulchild: It happens though...
vicky: ok vkn
alt: yep Seventies Soulchild, I met him at my father's funeral wehn I was 11 y/o.. met his sons who was my age at that time.
vkn: Beeen missing you seventies
Seventies Soulchild: aww thanks vkn
vkn: Trying to learn to tweet lol
Seventies Soulchild: Hello freeaainnc
vicky: in and out
alt: just saw his younger son (my nephew) last week at a reunion in Indiana.
vkn: Alt I have some exciting news for what the future of genealogy hold
vicky: hello freeaainnc
freeaainnc: kicked myself out! LOL
alt: Hello vkn
Seventies Soulchild: lol me too
alt: hare vkn?
freeaainnc: hello all )
alt: care to share vkn?
vkn: but not in our lifetime The term is geo referenced data alt
alt: technology be's too much for me vkn... I'm hanging in the 'slow' lane LOL
vicky: me too alt
vkn: You can add world in front of wide free
alt: interesting tho'... some of my closest DNA matches are in australia... maybe one day LOL
freeaainnc: I have a question - how do you prove a marriage (about 1803) when no marriage bond exists and you don't know the religion/church?
alt: you probably 'don't' prove it freeaainnc
vkn: HEYYY SELMA
freeaainnc: well, to prove it well enough for a society like DAR I know she'll have to do it in a roundabout way, but everything I think of is leading nowhere
Selma: Free I transcribed the births from Alston..think I found one of the people in 1870
freeaainnc: Selma great! that is cool
alt: you have descendants from that 'union' freeaainnc ?
freeaainnc: not me trying to help another researcher here
alt: no, not you, but who ever is looking for the connection freeaainnc
freeaainnc: she hasn't listed them so I mean I'm sure she does, but I don't know who
Selma: Is it possible that these folks could be identified in a will or deed or some document that identies them as wife or or husband of ... free
alt: my thought too Selma
freeaainnc: Selma that is my thought too
Seventies Soulchild: okay everyone, I'm heading back to my vacation now... lol I'll try to get on later tonight once the kids are out 'socializing'
freeaainnc: bye SS
Selma: I see that in the VGS and NGS journal.. Indirect documentaiton
freeaainnc: right, exactly the county where they probably got married has no surviving marriage bonds
vkn: There is lots of indirect in Black research
alt: vkn, an Embry cousin posted a website that has online 'colored marriages' for Talladega Co., AL.
Selma: Do they have wills or deeds.. Court cases..folks are always in court
vkn: link please alt
freeaainnc: I've seen mention of deeds, but they don't mention either the husband or wife, but they may in TN
alt: looking for it now vkn
Selma: Man dies..no Will ... she receives her dower 1/3 share
freeaainnc: she died first and that is part of the problem too
Selma: Her parents die live her something...she is identified in their will
vkn: thanx alt. Talladega is not a burned county so that link will be excellent to have
Selma: She's dead, they identify her children as heirs...etc...
freeaainnc: right, by her married name, but that doesn't necessarily "prove" who she married other than the last name maybe, b/c he was alive so their might not have been a will this is a tricky one LOL their=there
alt: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janderse/marriageshttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janderse/m
Selma: I see this scenario in the journals all the time..tell her to read a couple to get ideas...
vkn: Thanx a whole bunch alt
freeaainnc: what journals?
vicky: alt no good
Selma: Ngs, VGS.......etc
freeaainnc: I mean can you think of anything in particular?
Selma: Umm..let me see
alt: can't paste it correctly vicky .. still trying
vicky: ok
freeaainnc: hi AY
alt: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janderse/m arriages/
vicky: hello AYWalton
alt: there you go... make sure you get the end of the link 'arriages/"
AYWalton: greetings, everyone!
alt: hello AYWalton
AYWalton: howdy alt, freeaainnc, Ms. Selma, Ms. Vicky Greetings vkn!!!!
Selma: Hi AY
freeaainnc: I just copy/pasted the addy and removed the space in "marriages"
alt: did it work freeaainnc ?
freeaainnc: yep
alt: okay, thanks... it is Macon & Talladega county colored marriages
freeaainnc: actually, I copied/pasted in the browser, removed the space and then where the ... were replaced with a "c" and it automatically reloaded to the right address
vicky: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb. ... om/~janderse/marriages/
alt: yeah that's it vicky
freeaainnc: yep, and where the . ... om is, replace that either with a c or type in ancestry.c
vicky: sheesh page went down
freeaainnc: either way works
alt: I guess you could also google macon & talladega county county marriages... anyway it is on rootsweb
freeaainnc: went down?
vicky: on mine free
freeaainnc: ok
vicky: said it was unable to load
Selma: Free..gonna have to
freeaainnc: selma gonna have to what?
vicky: anyway, I'll get it lol
Selma: Wait......I am on the pholne
vicky: thanks alt
alt: vkn, I was saying earlier.. great posting by Write Away on her interview with David Paterson on Slave Research.
AYWalton: alt, vkn's screen is frozen. she can't reply on the screen at the moment.
alt: okay, thanks AYWalton
AYWalton: the system does appear to be slow, somewhat.
vicky: I hate to leave good company but I gotta go buy a box of wheat speghetti for din din
freeaainnc: ok, bye Vicky
vicky: before the temp changes another degree later folks
freeaainnc: lol
alt: the interview spoke to only GA and Upshur (sp) county, but the methodology works for anywhere.
Selma: Ok free sorry...
freeaainnc: alt for that that posting on David Paterson interview? np Selma :}
alt: yes free, on the WRite Away Forum on AfriGeneas.
freeaainnc: ok
Selma: I wil have to look for an article based on your scenario...however they have stuff like......Finding Parents of lizzie Evans, wife of George C. DAvis of Greene County, GA
freeaainnc: ok
AYWalton: Well I just popped in a for a few moments---going back to updating my blog. Am writing about finding Uncle Sephus.
Selma: A Maiden Name for Mercy: Indirect Evidence of the Wife of Benjamin Burgess of Dartmouth, Mass June 2007 NGS Quarterly
AYWalton: have a great day everyone!
freeaainnc: ok!
alt: I'm outa here too
Selma: Does this person come into your library free
freeaainnc: appreciate your help selma no, she's emailed questions
Selma: OK... I will look and see..but these ar ethe kinds of articles she should be looking at..
freeaainnc: she was originally looking for a lookup in our marriage bond index that we have and then explained the situation
Selma: She probably will have to go a round about way
freeaainnc: yep, agree
Selma: Do these folks have siblings
freeaainnc: She is looking in Sampson Co. and their marriage bonds were burned I assume so, but I don't know
Selma: The couple stays in Sampson or do they move
freeaainnc: move to TN along with her father and his family, but records here don't prove relationship to her father, if they did, it would be much easier b/c there is a record of a deed that he gave land to his son in law (her husband), but doesn't show relationship to the daughter
Selma: Ummm..she definitley needs to look at some of these articles...
freeaainnc: lol yep
Selma: LOL...
freeaainnc: I think also, she needs to focus in TN records now since there is no marriage bond and I've gone WAY over what I would normally do and even checked records in the archives for her and nothing shows definite connection between the 3 of them I mean
Selma: Yep..she needs to mine the TN records
freeaainnc: (her, her father, her husband)
Selma: Ok gotta run ..good luck
freeaainnc: ok, bye and thanks
Start: 21:09:11
vicky: hello Spivey
Spivey: Hello vicky! I checked on those HTML lessons I was telling you about, and the owner of the club says she didn't keep them because she found out the person who gave them may have plagiarized them from some one else.
vicky: oooh
Spivey: Sorry, they were so good too! Walked you through every step of the way.
vicky: no problem Spivey, I appreciate you checking
Spivey: Yes, it turned out this person had plagiarized poetry and presented as her own in the club, so the owner got rid of everything she did.
vicky: some people just dont get it do they
Spivey: Funny, but the club owner found out by accident doing Native American research. Stumbled on these poems. It just doesn't make sense to take something from the Internet.
vicky: Spivey alt was wondering if you had read the interview done with David Patterson on the forum
Spivey: No, I didn't vicky. Do you have the URL?
vicky: http://www.afrigeneas.com/forumd/index.cgi?page=1;md=read;id=23267 Spivey in Ga was mentioned
Spivey: Thanks. Mind if I look now?
vicky: oh go ahead its just you and I lol speaking of the man.... Hi alt!
alt: hey Spivey & vicky
Spivey: Okay. While I'm busy looking at it, I want you to know that last night's lesson in GenealogyWise was The War of 1812. We got some good information there. I think I saw Alt there.
vicky: thats good
Spivey: Hey alt! Speak of the devil. Allen McClain was there too!
vicky: oh really.. I have not seen him in awhile rather in eons
Spivey: He usually attends the Monday night sessions there. They are pretty good.
alt: who's the devil LOL
Spivey: ONE guess, alt! Not moi or vicky, so must be the third person in this room. ROTFL.
vicky: I am innocent
Spivey: You usually are, vicky.
alt: okay, guess I'm the devil then
vicky: lol lol
Spivey: I actually admire your tact vicky. alt is tactful too, but a bit more forceful.
alt: me tactful... I try not to be, it's too cumbersome LOL
vicky: cause he is a LaForce lol
Spivey: Did I see you at GenealogyWise last night? There was someone there named Art Thomas.
alt: not this one Spivey
Khathu: evening everyone
Spivey: He is a force vicky! lol
alt: hello Khathu ,
vicky: hello khathu!
Khathu: vicky - i have someone working on your request
Spivey: Good evening Khathu!
vicky: thank you so much khathu
Khathu: also did you know that there was an 1887 Texas State Census? Unfortunately it only gives statistical information
vicky: no I was not aware of that khathu
Spivey: The subject last night was The War of 1812 alt. Where to look for records which I understand were kept very well because of the lack of funding to pay the soldiers. Seems they had to keep records and issue vouchers so the soldiers could get paid later.
Khathu: i was reading about it in the Southwestern Historical Journal today
vicky: Is that one of the ones that is online ZKhathu lol khathu
Spivey: Oh, them fingers not cooperating tonight vicky?
vicky: one finger
Spivey: Ah, then that one finger does very well. I use all ten.
vicky: I use one on each hand lol
Spivey: Except on a laptop or cell phone. The keys are too small for me on those. That is great. You're so fast I wouldn't have known that.
Khathu: yes vicky
vicky: ok thanks. I do have that link bookmarked
Khathu: i made a list of all of the articles related to AA i'll mail you the list tomorrow
vicky: wow thanks khathu
Khathu: i went through a 100 years of journal articles
vicky: now are those all the journals or are there more hidden on library shelves you are amazing khathu
Khathu: from 1890s-1989 i think 1998
alt: I think he's serious about this 'stuff' vicky LOL
vicky: I know alt, thats why I admire him so
alt: Khathu,on the Writers Forum there is a great interview of David Paterson on slave research... it is specific to GA and his area, but the methodology is solid for any State.
Khathu: i will check it out
Spivey: Oh, vicky, does David Paterson respond to requests? I didn't know there was a SPIVEY in the narrative.
alt: Hello AYWalton
vicky: she hasnt come in yet alt
Khathu: you admire me? i am just a student
alt: Oops, jumped the gun .. again LOL
vicky: yes I do khathu
Spivey: That doesn't mean you don't have qualities that can be admired Khathu. We are all students in the broad sense of the word.
vicky: Patterson is the Forum host Spivey so I am sure he will answer your post Did you read the interview yet Spivey
Spivey: Reading it now, vicky.
vicky: AYYYYYYYYY!
AYWalton: Greetings!
Spivey: Although I shall stop since there are people here now.
alt: David is an interesing fellow.. he was here at Wilberforce doing some research following the IBGS in Ft. Wayne last year and Anita & I had him here for dinner one evening.
AYWalton: howdy alt, khathu, spivey, Ms. Vicky!
Spivey: Greetings, AYWalton!
alt: Hello AYWalton
AYWalton: hope everyone is doing well.
vicky: oh that was nice alt!
Spivey: Oh, lucky you, alt! He seems to be an extraordinarily talented researcher.
vicky: I am well AY thanks
alt: he is an Academic Spivey
Spivey: Very well thanks AYWalton. I hope you are the same.
AYWalton: doing pretty good.
Spivey: Ah. He writes beautifully alt. Easy to understand.
vicky: I read an article today about Oprah's new newwork. One of the shows will be Searching and will feature a genealogist who will host. I sure wish I knew who that was and will "we" be one of those
Spivey: I have to consult a map, vicky. My Spivey ancestors came from Schley County as far back as I have been able to research.
AYWalton: Vicky I just update my blog, this evening. will this be a TV or a radio program?
vicky: thanks AY. I may put up one in the next day or two tv She will have her own network AYWalton
Khathu: hello AYWalton
vicky: ok Spivey it is interesting though
AYWalton: I know---but TV network---radio network?
Spivey: kDoesn't she own a network already vicky? Oprah I mean.
AYWalton: where will it air?
vicky: TV Network.. airs in January
Khathu: alt - where is the interview located?
alt: on the Write Away Forum Khathu
AYWalton: Greetings, VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vicky: AYWalton she is moving from Chicago to Cali
vkn: Howdy to all
alt: hello vkn
AYWalton: sounds like Hollywood, so it must be TV.
Spivey: Howdy vkn!
vicky: http://www.afrigeneas.com/forumd/index.cgi?page=1;md=read;id=23267
AYWalton: wish they would grab someone from our midst.
vicky: for khathu I know AYWalton
Khathu: okay...thanks
AYWalton: so what else is new, these days. khathu will you present at AAHGS this year?
vkn: AYW another serial killer in MD
AYWalton: you have until Friday to respond to the Call for Papers.
vicky: That would be monumental if they did
Khathu: i haven't begun to work on my proposal
AYWalton: VKN, I had not heard that.
vkn: a brilliant young college student AY
AYWalton: oh yes, the researcher---that was horrible! and it was planned apparently.
Spivey: What happened AYWalton?
AYWalton: they have arrested two folks---and they had to be from the family. a researcher was killed in Baltimore stabbed apparently. Two "folks" were arrested---a man and a woman. sad unnecessary killing in the city. senseless.
Spivey: Part of a series of killings AYWalton? I thought vkn mentioned a serial killer?
vkn: 4 nurses females
AYWalton: yes, I did not associate it with a series of killings. But Baltimore City does have a high homicide rate. so sad.
vkn: student was UPS employee is now arrested. people killed are mother daughter pairs
Spivey: 4 nurses have been killed? That is sad and senseless. What kind of reseracher was the latest victim?
3rdthawkins: hello Everyone
vicky: hello 3rd
Spivey: Hello 3rdthawkins!
vkn: howdy 3rd
AYWalton: howdy 3rdthawkins
alt: hello 3rdthawkins
Khathu: hello 3rd
AYWalton: hello there, SoulChile!
Seventies Soulchild: Good evening everyone
alt: Seventies Soulchild hello
Spivey: Good evening Seventies Soulchild!
vkn: seventies
vicky: howdy Seventies
3rdthawkins: my computer gonna freeze tonite, you all will have to bear with me if I get everything late, my router is getting the feeds, my nieces came down and one of them has a laptop and is using the wi-fi hello Seventies
vicky: wb 7
AYWalton: looks like SoulChile needs some glue, too.
Seventies Soulchild: Hello 3rd, alt, AYWalton, Khathu, Spivey, vickey, vkn
Khathu: Hello Seventies
AYWalton: how is it going, SoulChile?
Seventies Soulchild: Oh everything is going ok. . . Anything new going on with everyone's genealgy?
vicky: ok 3rd we will be patient :?
Khathu: i am doing a lot more writing of my research
vicky: mabe you should tell us if you were successful today seventies
vkn: alt did I understand you to say that marriages posted re Talladega was from a kin of yours?
AYWalton: No and yes. No---same old research---but yes---always finding something to look at---from the community research that I am always doing.
Seventies Soulchild: Yes somewhat. . . still on vacation.
vicky: anything you can sink your teeth into
Seventies Soulchild: No not really.
Spivey: I am expanding my tree, Seventies Soulchild. A relative wants me to include her paternal family. I have the maternal already.
alt: it was from Dorothy Turner Tuck... you met her .. she now lives in the Atlanta area, but she is a desc of the Talladega Embry's
AYWalton: have you updated your blog of late SoulChile?
Seventies Soulchild: on the 23rd. . .
alt: that was for vkn about the embry desc from Talladega
Seventies Soulchild: Just posting family photos. . .
vicky: will that be after your presentation seventies
vkn: oh ok alt
Seventies Soulchild: Well I really want to work on my Alabama relatives after I complete this presentation
Khathu: alt - the interview is real good
alt: I thought you would like it Khathu
Seventies Soulchild: I have a lot of leads I can work on. Going to start with my great grandmother Lucy and her siblings descendants.
Khathu: i mailed a cousin some information on the family and he presented the research to another family member as if it was his own
vicky: sheesh khathu
Seventies Soulchild: oooppppsss. . . .
alt: that's gonna happen Khathu ....
Khathu: the family member called me and told me....i thought it was funny the famil member was upset and i just laughed
AYWalton: you should be upset as well, khathu. I hope the cousin has pointed out what happened to the perpetrator.
alt: it will come back to haunt him/her when the questions start coming up about the information contained in the genealogy and they can't answer then.
Seventies Soulchild: Yep.
AYWalton: quite true.
alt: I've seen it happen
Khathu: it happens the very fact that i have the info on the internet
alt: and then it will be.. Well, Khathu said... LOL
Khathu: exactly
AYWalton: put a by-line on your site, khathu.
vkn: Google has changed the whole of copyright..... new interpretations are coming fast and furious..... Much dispute in the courts now
AYWalton: I can imagine, VKN.
vkn: Much to do with format
AYWalton: that's interesting.
Seventies Soulchild: agree interesting
vkn: authors are saying they gave publishers "print" rights not "digital" rights
AYWalton: hmm........very interesting.
Seventies Soulchild: I wonder how that is going to affect blogs? Since Google own blogger.
AYWalton: well digital rights that is a new term and a concept to think about. and Wordpress is out there, and so is Typepad and other free blog sites.
alt: I think the concept now is that you only your work as you 'present' it... anyone can take what you have and reformat exactly what you have and they aren't infringing on your material...
vkn: yes it is indeed Angela and Seventies I see it being years before a decision is made BUT lots of cases
alt: only 'own' your work
Spivey: Khathu, one remedy that may help you is to disable right click on your website [assuming it is not Ancestry]. That way, people can't copy your information en masse, and are loathe to type it all. I had to do that to my website because of my cousin taking information from it en masse and setting up his own tree with it.
Seventies Soulchild: But wouldn't your work have to be referenced?
Khathu: ok
alt: if anyone wants to 'copy' my Tribal Pages website they're welcome to it... All 21K folks with varying bits of information, 748 photos, and 10 stories.
Spivey: WB 3rdthawkins.
3rdthawkins: oops, knocked the cord out
Seventies Soulchild: No thanks. . . lol
vkn: AYW I spoke at LunchBunch about the future of a new concept [to me] of locality as common denominator
Spivey: That's a lot more than I have, alt. Besides, he only took the bits that were the ADAMS and SPIVEY family branches.
AYWalton: sort of a way of approaching the issue of "cluster" genealogy, vkn?
Spivey: Geez, 3rdthawkins!
AYWalton: but making it much broader?
vkn: yes on a geo basis ayw
alt: and even tha is difficult Spivey... each 'branch' of a descending tree is different. I did a graphic for the THOMAS branch of the ADAMS family tree and it is different from every other person's tree because of the 'direct' linkages. example .... http://mydatabase.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=mydatabase&view=62&sort=0&albumid=2&photoindex=177&rand=302909161
Spivey: He had just started alt, when I discovered his tree. I disabled right click and he had his sister-in-law contact me about sharing information. I said I would share if she did, she refused. I didn't know at the time it was his sister-in-law, found out from his sister that he put the sister-in-law up to it. He will stop at nothing, it seems! ROTFL.
vkn: Oh yes ayw. Imagine looking for Joe Jones in 1930 at a certain street address and getting results for all possible data for that Joe Jones including the census
alt: that will be 'amazing' vkn... how is everythiing on the 'Net or elsewhere 'attributed' to that address?
Spivey: Ya know, alt, I have Isaac and Lewis and others in my tree, but they were KELSEYs who married into the ADAMS family.
3rdthawkins: speaking of street address in census, I'm trying to figure out a easier why to search for a street in census
vicky: I wonder how that would work for Rural Routes vkn
Spivey: Did you use a program to do the graphic, alt?
alt: Power Point Spivey
AYWalton: how does that disable thing work?
Spivey: Oh. I don't use Power Point. Never have so don't know what it's all about alt.
vicky: mabe call the assessors office in that area 3rd other than that I dont know.. so many of the pages I have seen dont even list the street on the side of the census
3rdthawkins: perhaps vicky
vicky: just the number pf the streets pf = of
Spivey: http://spivey-adams-familyhistory.net/GroupSheets/Adams/Armenius_Lela.html
3rdthawkins: I tried browsing on HQ but census are so mixed up by enumeration
Seventies Soulchild: I didn't think they did vicky.. only on the city directories or on draft cards.
Spivey: Go to this page, AYWalton. That shows you the result of the coding you can put on your page.
3rdthawkins: I'm searching in Queens New York (Jamaica)
vicky: I have seen the names on some seventies
Spivey: Hey, my neck of the woods 3rdthawkins!
AYWalton: ok I shall take a look.
Seventies Soulchild: However, it seems like they would list the locale on the top of the census records.
alt: what's the guy's name that has the website where you can search census records by enumeration district? he presnts at all of the major Conferences.... His system does what you're looking for 3rdthawkins
Spivey: I live just around the corner, so to speak, from Jamaica, Queens, New York.
Seventies Soulchild: Ok I'm tired, long day. . .
AYWalton: ahhh so it prevents the right click copy feature.
vicky: not sure I have heard of that site alt
Spivey: You calling it a night Seventies Soulchild?
vicky: nite nite seventies
Seventies Soulchild: Have a good night all. Yes indeed Spivey... going to bed.
Spivey: If so, enjoy the rest of your evening.
AYWalton: take care, SoulChile.
3rdthawkins: I'm looking for 229-11 Rockaway Blvd. in Springfield Gardens, my great grandparents lived there in 1935-36 and trying to see who lived there in 1930 Spivey
vicky: vkn, I like A for the new header
3rdthawkins: 229-11 doesn't exisit anymore so I can't use current maps to help
alt: Stehen P. Morse ... ONe-Stop something or other 3rdthawkins
vkn: okies
3rdthawkins: yeah, tried him too alt, HQ is just too difficult to search
alt: google Stephen P. Morse 3rdthawkins
3rdthawkins: oops, tried that site
Spivey: The City of New York has real property records, 3rdthawkins. The ones going back that far aren't online, but you can certainly write them.
3rdthawkins: I do and have used that site alt, it has helped me a lot in finding houses and streets, but NY proves a challenge............OK Spivey, thx
alt: so.. isn't genealogy a challenge LOL
Spivey: It does be that, alt!
vicky: it sure is alt!
3rdthawkins: yes, alt, but like on HQ, you can have ED #'s 379-385 and then all of a sudden it jumps to ED #'s 1138-1147 then it jumps back to ED #'s 289-296
Spivey: By the way, I have to coding for the disabling of the right click if anyone wants it. It is in HTML.
AYWalton: I would love to have it, spivey.
3rdthawkins: it's a mess on HQ
Spivey: Here's the NYC site for real property taxes 3rdthawkins. There should be contact information here: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/jump/acris.shtml
3rdthawkins: ok ty
Khathu: goodnight everyone
vicky: nite
Spivey: May I e-mail it to you AYWalton? too long to post here.
alt: laters
3rdthawkins: nite Khathu
AYWalton: here is my email spivey. firstname.lastname@example.com thanks.
Spivey: Got it, AYWalton.
AYWalton: thank you.
Spivey: My cousin was kind of upset when he couldn't right click anymore! lol
vicky: nite nite all. Its ice cream time and Dairy Queen will be closing soon
AYWalton: lol I hear you, vicky!
vicky: cya tomorrow
Spivey: Goodnight vicky. Mr Softee is outside now playing his jingle.
alt: laters vicky
AYWalton: I bet he was, spivey. did he call and complain? and if he did, I hope you told him why you did it.
Spivey: He came to my house and sorta led into the subject about what happened with my website, was there something wrong with it? lol
AYWalton: lol
Spivey: Came all the way from Maryland for a face to face and to 'share' information, which I still haven't heard.
AYWalton: and I assume that you know what he meant. How did you respond?
3rdthawkins: ok everyone good nite company may keep me away for the rest of the wk
AYWalton: nite 3rd.
alt: this 'disables'.. copy and paste for yoru website only, right Spivey?
Spivey: I told him exactly what I did and why I did it. This is the same cousin who purportedly has a studio portrait of our grandmother which I have been waiting ten years for him to give me.
AYWalton: well, next time you visit him, go with your digital camera in hand and snap away.
Spivey: I don't understand the question alt?
AYWalton: tell him it is an even exchange.
Spivey: LOL.
AYWalton: did you tell him why you did it? and if so, what did he say?
alt: you're saying you have html that disable the ability to 'right click'
Spivey: I have to actually put the coding on each page I don't want copied alt.
alt: ah so..
Spivey: He told me the photo was on its way AYWalton. THAT was over a year ago.
AYWalton: lol how did he respond when you told him you had disabled the page?
Spivey: This man programs for the DOD. So, you know he is a computer whiz. Can't even send a photo, though, it seems. He said that was not kind of me to do, after all they are his family too.
AYWalton: and nothing stopping him from researching them. hope you did not give in.
alt: so, I hope you told him that he was then 'free' to researc them as you had done.
Spivey: He goes to Atlanta quite a bit, AYWalton. Said there is absolute no record of our family in their archives. I have to get there myself to see for myself. I have some records, so I know that there are some.
AYWalton: if they have the Federal census---then the records are there. that is kind of amusing of him to say that. Like the pages with your family were just left out, or removed.
alt: what records is he looking for at the Archives?
AYWalton: Oh well----tell him to use the "source" he used to research them before.
Spivey: I have never understood his problem, AYWalton. His sister doesn't understand him either.
AYWalton: (of course since it was your site---I guess that is out of the question.) oh well. well folks, time for me to wind down. I feel the sand man calling my name, too.
Spivey: Okay. Almost that time for me as well.
AYWalton: and I am usually a night owl.
alt: me too way past my bedtime LOL
AYWalton: you all have a great evening.
Spivey: Everyone left again vkn, so I guess I will do likewise, and catch up on some genealogy work. vkn you there? Well, goodnight. I hope I can make it to chat tomorrow. Goodnight.


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Then we went on GAPS and became super strict about all our foods being 100% gluten-free. Lucky for me, TinyHands was in charge of the kitchen by then. She's a planner by nature. Every week she'd sit down with her planner and figure out what cuts of meat to pull out of the freezer on which day, when to pick up buying club purchases all over town, and decide what to get on the next buying club purchase, trip to the farm stand, or bike ride to the store.
Once that was all figured out, she'd write in breakfast, lunch, snacks, and dinner on each day, and transfer the whole mess to a white board we keep on the fridge. The rest of us would get the snacks and quick meals that were listed, and she'd take care of the rest. Here's the amazing part: generally, she'd make everything on the list on the days she'd planned!Now I've been in charge for a few weeks, and I don't think I've stuck to the plan once. But I have been making a plan, and it does seem to help!
Two weeks ago was especially exciting, since I'd planned to bake all sorts of things, but the oven broke! My two chickens and make ahead meatloaf had to go in the crock pots, and I babysat the broiler to get my almond crusted salmon to turn out.
Here's a little taste of plans vs reality at my house. Note: I didn't include TinyHands's lunches (she packs leftovers for every day). We also had sides of veggies like roasted cauliflower, homemade sauerkraut, steamed broccoli, and of course broth. Those didn't make it onto my plan because they were pretty much ready to go.
Lunch: Taco salad
Snacks: Veggies, ranch & cheese
Dinner: Salmon Cakes
Make ahead: Beef Jerky, yogurt, soak almonds & walnuts, bake squash, boil eggs for lunches
Real Life
I was doing fine until lunch, when I realized the meat was still frozen solid. Made salads with sardines instead. The salmon cakes were a big hit, and I did get a lot of prep done for the rest of the week. I got the beef jerky and yogurt going, put squash in the crock pot to bake, and soaked walnuts. Unfortunately we thought we had almonds in the freezer but we're all out! That means my plans for nut butter later in the week were foiled. I also jarred up a bunch of stock I already had going.
Breakfast: Winter Squash Souffle
Lunch: Chicken soup
Snacks: Beef jerky, applesauce, veggies
Dinner: Beef Stew
Real Life
It turns out that what we thought was a whole dozen eggs was actually about 2 eggs, and we wouldn't have more until Tuesday night. That meant the cake I'd planned for Tuesday was not going to happen!
Instead of straight up chicken soup, I made a whole chicken in the crock pot with chili verde sauce from last summer and a jar of chicken stock from last week. The meat fell off the bone, it was wonderful. We added some veggies to call it a meal & of course ate it with the sauce/stock. It's not on my list, but of course I started stock with the bones, back in the crock pot. I've been keeping it going and drinking it all week. The kids forgot about applesauce so we saved that for another day.
Beef stew was a bit of a disaster. I got sidetracked and was out of time. I thought I had rutabagas but didn't and was nearly out of veggies. I made it with peeled broccoli stems for veggies out of desperation. I meant to add canned green beans from last summer but forgot. The kids liked it, though, and were happy to eat it as leftovers 🙂
Nothing on the make ahead list, but the walnuts did make it into the dehydrator.
Breakfast: Smoothies
Lunch: Fish soup
Snacks: Nut butter, veggies
Dinner: Steak
Make ahead: Chocolate Cake, Meatloaf
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We started off the day with those meringue cookies. The kids made smoothies! Yum! The yogurt turned out really good, btw. For lunch I didn't make fish soup. I have salmon stock from the fins from last week's almond crusted salmon, but no one seems to want to eat it. The kids had leftover beef stew (with added green beans) instead. Kid2 also snacked on boiled eggs.
I just had one big steak thawed for all of us so I sliced it thin and stir fried it with veggies and leftover rhubarbecue sauce.
The cake is waiting for next week. I did make ahead my meatloaf. Actually, half of one of the meatloaves got eaten and the rest was for lunches. I also made more beef jerky.
Breakfast: Pancakes
Lunch: Meatloaf, cake
Snacks: Yogurt, veggies, beef jerky
Dinner: Carrot soup
Real Life
Since we still hadn't picked up our eggs, pancakes were out. Instead we had pork sausage patties. We even thought to pull out the applesauce. Kid2 had to pack lunch, snacks and dinner, Kid1 and I just needed to pack lunch and snacks. Snacks went to plan, we brought meatloaf and salad, but the carrot soup didn't get made. Dinner was all about leftover chicken soup! Kid2 had beef stew packed, because that's what he liked better.
Real Life
Sure enough, we had tons of leftovers. We also had our eggs by now. We made winter squash and egg crepes for breakfast, topped with apple butter. We each ate the leftovers we preferred, and had salad, too.
Again with the leftovers.
Dinner: Manhattan Clam Chowder
Real Life
We had smoothies for breakfast, and snacks of boiled eggs and applesauce. Kid1 packed her lunch and snacks to take to her classes.
A coworker of TinyHands's had given her a bunch of fresh clams, so I made them into a Manhattan chowder. I'd never done it before and wasn't finding a GAPS legal recipe so I invented my own (coming soon). It was really good!
SaturdayBreakfast: Garlicky chicken soup
Lunch: Chicken salad
Snacks: veggies, smoothie
Dinner: Pork chops & roasted veggies
Make ahead: Beef Jerky, yogurt, chocolate cake batter, plan for next week.
Real Life
So far so good 🙂
What Have I Learned?
I don't think I'll ever be great at following my own plans. Things happen. In the past couple weeks a bulk buy fell through, a farm direct delivery ran late, and our oven even broke! Some days I just don't feel like cooking, or we have friends over at the last minute, or we decide to go on an adventure for the day. Yesterday I decided to forget about all housework and get some pruning done in the garden, since the sun was out! But having that plan out there gets me pulling the meat out of the freezer, gives the kids some idea of what they can get for themselves, and keeps me on track with prepping food for later. So I'm going to keep doing it. Who knows, maybe I'll actually make it through a week according to plan someday!
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The Luxury I package ($3,050) adds park assist, heated and cooled front seats, heated rear outboard seats, rear seat adjustable headrests, four-way power rear lumbar support, heated windshield washer fluid, Rainsense Generation II intermittent wipers with structureless wiper blades, heated power-adjustable mirrors with turn-signal indicators and driver's side auto-dimming, leather wrapped and heated steering wheel, and tilt steering column.
Luxury II ($2,340) includes all the content of Luxury I, plus tri-zone automatic climate control and a universal remote transmitter.
Luxury III ($5,075) includes Luxury I and II, plus an upgraded stereo with a six-disc in-dash CD changer and eight Bose speakers, cargo net, IntelliBeam headlights, front four-way massaging power lumbar, power tilt/telescoping steering column with memory settings, trunk mat, rear illuminated vanity mirrors, genuine Dark Burled Walnut wood trim and 17-inch chromed aluminum wheels
The Performance package ($7,560) includes all but a few of the Luxury I, II, and III items, plus the higher-tuned 292-hp V8, performance algorithm shifting, Magnetic Ride Control, and P245/50 H-rated tires on 18-inch chromed aluminum wheels.
The new Platinum Edition package ($6,490) combines the 292-hp V8, Performance Algorithm shifting, Magnetic Ride Control and 18-inch chromed wheels with special materials on the inside and an extra dash of flash on the outside; a power sunroof, DVD navigation, and other conveniences are included as well.
Options include adaptive cruise control ($1,695), DVD-based navigation ($2,145), a front bench seat ($295), Tehama leather ($1,995), body-color grille ($250), universal home remote ($110), automatic climate control ($195), a power tilt/slide sunroof ($1,200), and 17-inch chromed wheels ($825).
Safety features that come standard on all models include six air bags, including a dual-depth front-passenger air bag. Four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and Brake Assist, StabiliTrak electronic stability control with all-speed traction control, child-safe rear door locks, and a tire pressure monitor come standard. Lane Departure Warning and Side Blind Zone Alert are available on select models.
The 2008 Cadillac DTS is a big car. Its overall length of 207.6 inches makes it five inches longer than the Escalade full-size SUV, and nearly a foot longer than the STS, Cadillac's next-largest sedan. DTS is almost four inches longer than a BMW 7 Series and 2.6 inches longer than the latest long-wheelbase Mercedes-Benz S-Class sedan. It's also wide, more than two inches wider than an STS.
Despite its size, however, the clean forms of the DTS give it a European look, though in a distinctively American idiom. With its vertical headlights and tail lights, and its grinning egg-crate grille, the DTS has acquired the design heritage of the Cadillac family and adapted it to 21st century reality. It acknowledges tradition, yet remains fresh and modern. The nose is particularly expressive, with jewel-like xenon headlights framing an expansive chrome grille adorned with a center-mounted wreath-and-crest badge.
Interesting styling elements include body-side chrome trim accenting body-color door moldings, and a narrow LED high-mounted stop light that runs nearly the entire width of the deck lid's crisply edged rear contour. The fenders provide a purposeful stance, and the profile is slightly wedge-shaped. Seventeen-inch machined aluminum wheels come standard; 18-inch wheels are available; and those wheels can be ordered chromed. The overall look is brought together by Cadillac's characteristic spline line, which rises from the top of the front fender, runs along with lower edge of the side windows and then flows over the rear fender.
The Platinum Edition is distinguished visually by 18-inch chrome wheels, chrome grille, chrome inserts on the exterior door handles, and a Platinum badge.
Cadillac boasts that the DTS has some of the tightest production tolerances in the world, and it certainly looks the part of a well-honed luxury machine. The panels fit well, the paint is glossy and blemish free, and overall the DTS wears its bulk well, like a fine-tailored suit. The quality of GM cars has been improving, and Cadillac scores well in quality surveys.
The DTS cabin is roomy and luxurious. The interior was completely revised for 2006, and only detail changes have been made since then.
Leather and wood abound, along with a dusting of chrome accents, creating a handsome, upmarket environment. Low-gloss surfaces, with a three-dimensional grain, were chosen for the upper instrument panel and upper doors in order to reduce glare and absorb sunlight.
Three different leathers are used, depending on options and packages. The base leather is called Nuance; a specially tanned leather called Tehama, claimed to be exclusive to the DTS, is optional. A more supple, semi-aniline Tuscany hide is included in the Platinum Edition. The Nuance interior benefits from fitment of a material crafted from a vinyl/silk blend for seatbacks and armrests. Claimed to be as durable as vinyl, it has the look and feel of leather.
The trim used on base, Luxury I and Luxury II models is a good-looking faux burl wood material, while Luxury III and Performance versions get a darker, genuine burled walnut. Found on the shifter head, center console, around the center stack and across the upper section of the instrument panel, the wood trim creates a flowing theme throughout the entire interior.
Door handles, selected knobs and switches, shifter column surround, and rings that wrap the four analog gauges are chrome, which works with the wood to create an upscale feel. Instruments use white-on-black LED readouts for speedometer, tachometer, fuel and temperature gauges.
On five-passenger models, the center console between the bucket seats houses the shifter and storage bins. On six-passenger models, the shifter is mounted on the steering column to accommodate the front bench seat, which has an integrated center armrest that transforms from a back cushion into a console with two levels of storage.
The cabin has a spacious feel and good sightlines for driver visibility. Facing the driver is an attractive four-spoke wood-and-leather steering wheel with a finely etched wreath-and-crest center badge. The Luxury I and II packages include a heated steering wheel on a tilting column; Luxury III and Performance add a telescoping function.
The center stack design is attractive and the controls are easy to see and use. A Dark Argent finish surrounds the radio and HVAC control heads, which are set flush into the console for a well-integrated look. Nestled between air outlets, high up in the center stack, is an analog clock, in keeping with other high-end automobiles whose clocks measure time in the traditional way. It's a good way.
The rear seat is large enough for a couple of six-foot-plus males with a few extra pounds of girth; and fitting a smaller fifth passenger in between them is no problem. The seatbacks are nicely raked for long-range comfort. Seat heaters are available for the outboard positions.
Comfort is, of course, a primary component of luxury, and we drove both Luxury III and Performance editions of the DTS to get the full dose. We especially liked the tri-zone climate control, and the cooling for the front seats. However, the heat and cooling controls are set high up and forward in the door panels, making it hard to see if they've been turned on. It's one of the few ergonomic miscues in the DTS; otherwise, there are no difficult or hidden controls or complicated electronic interfaces to mar the luxury experience. Worthy of praise is the ease of using the sophisticated audio system. Our ears were treated by the Bose audio system, which features eight speakers and centerpoint signal processing for multi-channel surround sound.
The new Platinum Edition offers a choice of two interior color schemes: Light Linen over Cocoa, or all-Ebony. Both feature full Tuscany leather upholstery, including hand-cut-and-sewn leather on the instrument panel top pad, console and door trim. French seams highlight the door panel inserts. Wood trim is light ash burl with a decorative inlay, whic.
Driving Impression
Smooth and powerful, the Cadillac DTS glides over miles and miles of open road in supreme comfort. Maybe that's expected, but the DTS also handles surprisingly well for such a big car, making it a satisfying drive when it's time to turn the steering wheel.
The DTS has a worthy powertrain in the form of its smooth-running Northstar V8 and robust Hydra-Matic four-speed automatic transmission. Under full throttle, both versions of the 4.6-liter engine emit a mellow bellow that says V8 but not in a flashy way. The throttle is responsive, improved by electronic throttle control, yet it delivers a smooth, measured rise of power rather than a soul-stirring burst.
Two states of tune are available, though we don't see dramatic differences between them. The 275-hp base/Luxury edition boasts 295 pound-feet of torque, while the 292-hp Performance/Platinum-tuned mill offers 288 pound-feet of torque. So the Performance-tuned engine gives up some torque for increased horsepower and the Luxury engine actually supplies better off-the-line acceleration. Likewise, the Performance chassis comes with bigger wheels and tires and Magnetic Ride Control, a continuously variable real-time damping system; but spring and stabilizer rates are identical to those on the base/Luxury edition. In short, the Luxury and Performance versions are both good. Performance is slightly sportier.
All DTS models come with GM's superb StabiliTrak electronic stability control, which limits understeer and oversteer by automatically applying the brakes to individual wheels. All models come with Magnasteer, a magnetic variable-assist rack and pinion steering gear that reduces noise and column shake.
These features, along with its rigid chassis, give the DTS able handling and a smooth ride. The variable-rate steering helps the big car turn into the corners with little understeer, and carving a line through the apex is accomplished with little body roll. The steering feels a little light while cruising down a straight road, but it stiffens up nicely when feedback is needed during a turn. A bit of chassis hop over freeway expansion joints is virtually unavoidable, but the Magnetic Ride Control does a good job of muting the effect. Otherwise, at speed on smooth pavement, only a bit of wind noise around the A-pillar and occasional tire thunk suggests the car is covering a lot of ground quickly.
Frigid days and scorchers are handled well by the DTS. We like the standard Adaptive Remote Start, a factory-installed convenience for cold, wintry mornings, when the ability to get the engine and interior defrosted and heated (including the front seats) before starting out is appreciated. Residents of Phoenix and other boiling points will find the system useful to crank up the A/C before climbing in on those 115-degree afternoons. Owners in the frigid north will also appreciate the heated windshield wiper fluid.
The Lane Departure Warning (LDW) system engages above 35 mph. A green light indicates that the system is turned on and working. Should the driver cross a detected lane marking without signaling, the light flashes amber while an alarm beeps three times. The system is designed to alert drivers so they can take appropriate action to move the vehicle back into their own lane. To avoid nuisance alerts, the system is designed to not provide an alert if the turn signal is on or if the driver makes a sharp maneuver. Thankfully, the driver can also switch it off, in which case the light goes out entirely. The system uses a camera located between the inside rearview mirror and the windshield to detect lane markings on the road and alert drivers when they inadvertently stray from the lane.
The Side Blind Zone Alert system uses radar to sweep an 11-foot zone on either side of the vehicle, in other words, about one lane over. The zone starts at each side mirror and reaches back about 16 feet. With the system engaged, an amber symbol lights up in the outside.
The Cadillac DTS offers luxury and comfort in a full-size package. It comes loaded with safety features with the option of the latest safety technology to warn the driver of hidden hazards. The DTS delivers strong acceleration performance and handles quite well for a car of its size. It's a lot of car for 50 grand.
NewCarTestDrive.com correspondent Greg Brown filed this report from Southern California.
Model Lineup
Cadillac DTS ($41,770).
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Detroit, Michigan.
Options As Tested
adaptive cruise control ($1,695); Performance Package ($7,560) adds 292-hp engine; performance algorithm shifting; Magnetic Ride Control; 18-inch wheels and H-rated tires; memory for seats and outside mirrors; ultrasonic parking assist; heated outboard seats front and rear, with cooling for driver and front-seat passenger; heated leather-wrapped steering wheel; heated windshield washer fluid; heated outside mirrors with integrated turn signal indicators; universal home remote; six-disc in-dash CD changer; eight-speaker Bose audio system; tri-zone climate control; four-way adjustable lumbar with massage for the front bucket seats; power tilt and telescoping steering column; wood accents on steering wheel; adjustable rear-seat headrests; power folding outside mirrors; IntelliBeam automatic headlamps; Rainsense wipers; cargo net; dark burl walnut interior trim.
Model Tested
Cadillac DTS ($41,770).The 2008 Cadillac DTS is a full-size luxury sedan that offers impeccable road manners and a warm, spacious interior. The front-wheel drive DTS can be configured to seat up to six people in a luxurious leather interior. XM Satellite radio and 18.8 cu-ft of trunk space contribute to its reputation as a long distance cruiser. Powered by GMs Northstar 4.6-liter V-8 engine, there are 292 hp and 275 hp versions, both controlled by a GM Hydra-Matic 4-speed automatic transmission. A Platinum edition is available that enhances all the luxury amenities with 18-inch wheels, Tuscany leather, and wood inlay. Also included is Lane Departure Warning, a new safety feature. Standard safety features include Stabilitrak and traction control, ABS brakes, and front, side, and side-curtain airbags. For 2008, the Cadillac DTS gets more standard features and minimal interior changes.
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