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If you missed the GOP presidential debate last night about the economy (hosted by the Washington Post and Bloomberg News), here are five key points from DCDecpder's liveblog coverage with Shortformblog.
1. By and large, the tone of this debate was far different than the others (JVBrewer, too!). The candidates were seated around a large wooden table, giving the entire thing a more intimate feel.
The moderators did a great job of speeding the questions along and while Ron Paul and Rick Santorum were hardly well served, the entire evening did feel serious and engaged where some of the other debates felt shlocky and crusted over with social media doodads.
2. Most memorable quote of the evening: Herman Cain responding to criticism of his "999 plan." Or was it Jon Huntsman saying the "999 plan" made him think of a pizza deal? Or was it Jon Huntsman's daughters laying a Twitter smackdown on Mitt Romney over China?
3. There was a ton of talk about the Federal Reserve. Newt Gingrich kicked it all off with a long diatribe about how Ben Bernanke, former Democratic Senator Chris Dodd and Democratic Congressman Barney Frank (Mass.) are all criminals.
Herman Cain also ripped Bernanke then later said he admired Alan Greenspan, which drew immediate rebuke from Ron Paul ("Alan Greenspan was a disaster") and likely cost Cain with some of the professional, Wall St. Republican set.
4. Everybody is going bananas for "999." Herman Cain's tax plan calling for a 9% federal income tax, a 9% sales tax and a 9% corporate income tax was at the center of the debate. There's are a ton of moving parts here, but if you only know one thing about it from last night let it be everybody is going to be taking shots at 999 in the weeks ahead.
The power of Cain's plan is its simplicity, as the Washington Post writes this morning. But if the devil is in the details, to paraphrase Michelle Bachmann's strange criticism, the next few weeks will be about the details. (CSMonitor.com already looked into the details, by the way.)
5. Who won and who lost? In Decoder's view, Romney, Cain and to a lesser extent Santorum all comported themselves well and gained from the debate while Perry, who many thought needed to distinguish himself, looked divinely uncomfortable. Shortformblog noted the primary process has gotten to the point "where the winners and losers are the ones who aren't necessarily flashy, but well-polished and well-studied. Romney made it look easy; he's well-polished and well-studied."
Find all of DC Decoder's liveblog coverage here and Shortformblog's here.
The best from around the web:
Romney builds case for inevitability, POLITICO. This story has the quote Decoder noted earlier, reproduced below for your entertainment.
"I just try to get up every day and do my job, and debates are not my strong suit," the Texas governor told reporters following a post-debate party at a Dartmouth fraternity house."
Mitt Romney prospers in Republican debate, by Dan Balz, a highly-respected political writer for the Washington Post.
Republicans stretch truth in debate salvos, by Bloomberg.
Rick Perry loses Dartmouth debate, wins Beta house by The Weekly Standard. Apparently, Perry's best performance of the night was well off camera.
You can find the liveblog of the debate from Andrew Sullivan, of Newsweek/Daily Beast (and formerly of the Atlantic), here.
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After recognizing that God had died and that responsibility rested on men's shoulders to render life meaningful, philosopher Nietzche proceeded to propose the ideal of the Superman (Ubermansch), a creator of new values, that which we may aspire to become as we evolve. Rather than establishing new ethical values, I would argue the Superman seeks MEANING and that we never truly drew the highest ethical principles from God and religion.
The idea of the Superman quickly was appropriated by Nazis and eugenics experiments in the 20th century oftentimes claimed legitimacy from Nietzche's ideology. The realization of humanity's imperative to define himself in his universe became obscured by the weight of history.
People die, but ideas never die, and the archetypal idea of the Superman will forever remain in the back of our minds as we continue our evolutionary development as a species. In fact, I argue that because we know that we are immersed in the same evolutionary processes that every other species is involved in, we can not escape the Superman as our ideal and as the spectrum of our ultimate destiny. Nietzche, having been one of the first post-Darwinian great philosophers, was merely beginning to capture the importance of the mammoth task before us: becoming self-made men and women.
By saying this, I recognize that evolution and natural selection favor those who are best adapted, not necessarily those who are superior in any artificial sense of the word. If some of our descendants end up living in tunnels under the ground, natural selection will probably favor mole-like humans who are blind and make better use of their other senses. For this reason, I specifically designate the mind as a tool that defines us humans, and that will continue to define Superhumans, the loss of which would result in speciation into an Underhuman instead.
We should therefore not expect the Superman as a prophetic new dawn: there's no reason to suppose that, and it's quite possible that we as a species have passed the point of our evolutionary apex and will lose impetus due to superstition and degradation. We have no inherent right to evolve into Supermen. The Superman is an ideal that must be cultivated and achieved if it is to have any meaning.
(... rest of article goes into speciation / process of becoming another species and how science fiction informs Nietzche's ideas and is in turn influenced by it today)
Other thoughts on the Superman, from those familiar, are welcome
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It strikes me that there is a great deal missing from an ethical theory which uses power as its basis. Nietzche believed that morality was essentially a strategy used by weaker people to hold back the stronger people - the ubermensch - from taking from life what they wanted. The evolutionary basis is simple - the stronger organisms take what they can in an essentially mindless process and survive to reproduce. So, to the victor the spoils? Or, might makes right? There may be a deeper point which Nietzsche's philosophy plays an integral part, but I don't think he strikes at the heart of what it means to achieve meaning as a person, nor does this post seem to even touch upon what that point might be. Reply?
well, Emma Goldman's quote, I think, touched on the value of Nietzche's insight. She said that Nietzche's idea of the superman calls for creating a society where there are no weaklings and slaves, that is: give people an education, keep them from being religious, docile and easy to manipulate. It's true that societies are more egalitarian and have higher standards of living where education is free, universal and compulsory.
A good reply! But then this suggests that Nietzche was wrong that morality is just the weaklings' way of keeping the good people down on their level. It suggests that what morality really consists of is treating other people as an extension of the self, whether or not they are weaker or stronger than you, and looking at all of us as belonging to each other in a far more inclusive and organismic way. I.e., it suggests that it is not power per se that is important, but belonging to each other and finding meaning in our connections to each other regardless of power. Empowering each other is an important concern indeed! But I would argue that by itself it is only half the story. An organismic perspective which takes Nietzche's point to heart and strives to see ourselves as strong individuals within strong larger organisms is a powerful moral theory indeed!
Hmmm, you're referring to slave morality. Nietzche said that there was a nay-saying slave morality (which he believed was dehumanizing) and a master morality (which is life affirming), and most importantly: that people raised as slaves create a demand for masters.
And so it's not quite as Ayn-Randish and predatory as people make Nietzche out to sound: the question is how do we create a society that produces less slaves, a society that lacks the demand for masters, where all people are masters, a free society.
Again, I think the key here is education. I personally don't think an emancipated society is possible if the people are ignorant: an ignorant population will always attract tyrants as leaders whereas a free, skeptical, engaged population demands more respect from its leaders.
Nicely put. :)
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Contact14 needed a new logo design and created a contest on 99designs.
A winner was selected from 101 designs submitted by 20 freelance designers.
We're young entrepreneurs who work hard and play hard. And we figure that awesome discounts for everyone allows everyone to play hard...at a low cost. We aim to have a fun culture and would like to show that with our site as well.
Our target market is 18-35 year olds. Probably more female than male (although we'll likely attract both -- maybe a 65/35 split on gender). They like to shop and love getting deals and learning about new places in their area.
We're pretty open on the logo but here's a few points to help give some direction. We're looking for creation of both a logo and favicon.
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ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Visitors to Abu Dhabi's latest attraction will be offered a journey through time when building of a branch of Paris's world-famous Louvre museum finally gets under way next year.
The emirate's tourism arm, which is also building a branch of New York's Guggenheim museum in the Gulf Arab emirate, confirmed construction will begin in the first quarter of 2013.
Both museums were originally scheduled to open between 2013 and 2014 but were delayed due to a government review of projects.
The museums and New York University are among institutions that plan to set up branches on Saadiyat Island, a $27 billion cultural project in Abu Dhabi, where they will be housed alongside a golf course and high-end housing developments.
"The contractor will move (in on the Louvre project) very soon. Construction will start in the first quarter of 2013," Nabil al-Kendi, Tourism Development & Investment Company's chief development officer said on Monday at an MEED conference.
The development of Saadiyat Island is one of the largest cultural projects in the Middle East but last year more than 130 artists said they would boycott the Guggenheim museum there over what they said was exploitation of foreign workers.
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half-brother, and one nephew were barbers.
As in...'Shave and a haircut, two bits' barbers.
Why three brothers and a nephew took up the
same profession is lost in the mists of time.
But it made Grandpa Bert the "odd" one
for becoming a carpenter like his father.
The dapper fellow above is the half-brother, George Washington Hanson, only child of Great-grandma Zerilda's brief first marriage. We suspect George's father died toward the end of the Civil War, but can't verify it because we don't know his first name, and therefore have no clue which of the dozens of Hanson men in Indiana at the time might be him.
At any rate, we're certain the mysterious Mr. Hanson had no other children because when George died a widower, intestate and childless, his entire estate was distributed among Grandma Zerilda's other children (or if deceased, their offspring), each of whom received $1500. Not chicken feed in 1945.
The photo above was taken around 1899 at the A.P. Martin Photographic Studio in Victor, Teller Co, Colorado.
At that time Victor was a gold rush boom town, its mines containing more gold than the more famous Cripple Creek up the road. Victor residents liked to boast that "Cripple Creek may have the glory, but Victor has the gold!".
Thirty-something and still single, George appears to have been the first brother to leave Kansas for the Colorado gold fields.
But instead of filing on a claim, he opened a barber shop. Why get dirty and sweaty searching for gold all day when those who did were more than happy to part with some of it for a shave and a haircut when they came to town!
The next family members to move to Victor were George's half-brother and barber, Edward E. "Ed" Sack, wife Katie, and daughter Viola, 7 years old.
By the spring of 1900, their mother Zerilda had joined George and Ed et al, for health reasons according to her obituary. I can't fathom how the thin air at 9700 feet was supposed to help a 59-yr-old woman already in poor health, but that's what the obit says.
youngest brother, Frank Leland Sack.
Frank apparently never caught gold fever.
He stayed behind in Douglas Co, KS,
to clerk in a grocery store and court
future wife Lucy "Orrel" Jones.
Frank and Orrel (Jones) Sack circa 1902
Sometime after their marriage in August 1902 but before 1910, they moved to Coffeyville, Montgomery Co, KS, where Frank opened a barbershop. By 1918, they were back in Ottawa and Frank was driving a truck for Standard Oil.
Meanwhile, by 1903 all of the gold in Colorado that could be extracted by current methods had been depleted.
Ed, Katie and Viola Sack moved back to Kansas, to Larned, where Ed opened the barber shop he would run until he retired, a shop he possibly sold to nephew Chester Toops around 1930.
Ed, Viola, now 17, and Katie on the porch of their home (below)
in Larned, Pawnee Co, KS, a few blocks from Ed's barber shop.
In November 1904, Zerilda, whose health had gotten worse, left Colorado and returned home to husband John in Baldwin City, KS, where she died the following Valentine's Day.
That same year, George Hanson married Ida A. Byers, moved to Los Angeles, and by 1910 was the proprietor of a cigar store. By 1920, they lived in Long Beach and he was barbering once again.
Frank and Orrel followed George and Ida to California, and by 1924 were registered voters in Inglewood, LA Co. Frank, too, took up barbering again until at least 1934.
(according to the caption) "our little cabin".
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In 1921, George Hanson gave up barbering for good.
He and Ida moved to Alhambra CA...
...and started a very successful chicken ranch!
From 3-piece suits and bowler hats to farmer overalls.
Go figure!
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How do I know if he loves me? I just thought to throw the question out into cyberspace... Don't really expect to be heard or answered. He is Korean American but adopted by Caucasian folks. Some nights I miss him terribly... Interesting blog and appreciate your candor. He said he would meet my dad, but then I think he had cold feet. He has other women... ? I guess I am kind of ok with it... I am Taiwanese American. We are close in age. I have surrendered myself to him.
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Hi. My name is Michael. I have a question regarding a beautiful Korean masseusse named Mia. I went to an asian massage parlor a few months ago and Mia gave me the best 1 hour massage of my life. At the end she asked if that was it. Well, it wasn't it and it was happy. Although she does not speak english too well, we have pretty much bonded and I have gone there 20 or so times. It is strictly a passionate happy ending and nothing else. My intention is to stop this and possibly ask her to go out on a date with me. However, I have my concerns and she probably has hers. Hers may be why I went in the 1st place. Well, I am coming off a seperation leading to a divorce after 20 yrs of marriage. I am a handsome 42 yr old Italian and Mia is 31. She has been in the US for 3 yrs (strange she doesn't speak better english) and is so warm and shy. She is absolutely different from the other massage therapists. She works 6 days a week, lives in the place she works and goes to Queens NY on her day off. She tells me what she does and we talk about education and the possibility of her buying a computer. She is very grateful for all my help.
Anyway, my concerns are these: 1. Not so much she does what she does. she has intentions of stoppiing and I'm sure the money must be good. weird she works so many hours. In the beginning it was clearly business and she seldom talked. 2. I don't have the nerve to ask her how she started this and am real scared if she says she was a prostitute in Korea. Your advice would be go on Match.com and leave her alone. That is probably the right answer, but, this woman is so sweet. We sometimes talk for a half hour passed our 1 hr session. I do have to stop it and would like your input. Thanks so much, Mike from New Jersey.
Mike, you pay money to have sex with this woman and you are worried that she was a prostitute back in Korea? What difference does it make?
re: Korean Female First Name
Great, great blog. I have a question about women's first names. You see, I have a most worrisome and difficult problem. I recently met one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. She's Korean, and I immediately fell in love with her - all the way - I didn't even hear her voice yet. I don't do this often - it's happened twice before in my life - and now a third. There's a problem though(besides being capable of falling in love all the way on site!). She told me her name, but I was so nervous I can't remember it fully. I remember the second part of the first name and the last name(if my new and limited understanding of Korean naming traditions is correct). The first part of her first name is something like 'Tee', 'Ty', 'Tae', or maybe, 'Ta'. I can't remember! When I see her again - I cannot say her name incorrectly! I'd rather lose a finger! I would totally disrespect her. I hope you understand. I've spent hours trying to logically narrow down the list of possible Korean first names that start with a T. Sounding like: Tee, Ty, Ta. It can't be 'Tee' - I mean you drink Tea - right? Her name can't be Tea. I went so far as to go to the Korean owned local store and they kinda helped and kinda made fun of me - 'you drink Tea, haha, what do you mean Tea, hahaha'. So they told me that her name can't be 'Tee' because that would be Chinese(or apparently a beverage). My interent research tells me her name is most likely 'Tae' - like 'TaeKwonDo'. Man, I'm at a loss, and have spent hours now of the past couple days. I did discover that there may not be many Korean names that start with a T, so that kinda helps, but whew! I'm reaching out. I'm gonna go back to the Korean owned store today as soon as I think this out more!
Great articles on Korean naming traditions and prejudice of dark skinned people.
Most gratefully,
You know, TaeKwonDo sounds exactly right. It's a very popular girl's name. You should name your daughter that.
More weirdness after the jump.
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If a Troll Does Not Succeed at First, Try, Try Again
re: public restrooms question
I have an odd question, I hope you will help me. I developed IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) a while ago and thanks to that I also developed a little bit of fear to places without a bathroom near by. Now a days I managed to fight it, but sometimes a bathroom is necessary. My question is one but I have to divide it in two hehe:
1. At least in Seoul, how often do you find public bathrooms?
2. This question is also important: My girlfriend (korean) says that since the World Cup, a law was created to help all foreigners who need a bathroom. So if you are a foreigner you can ask for a bathroom almost everywhere (buildings, etc), and this is getting better thanks to the World Toilet ASsociation whom has it headquartes in Korea.
I hope you can help me, because I have been looking for an answer with no luck. Once again thank you.
Bernal A.
re: Question About Public Toilets / Washrooms
Since Seoul is the host of the World Toilet Organization I was wondering these 4 questions:
1. How often can you find a bathroom in Seoul?
2. How are the conditions of the toilets?
3. It is true that almost each subway station or stop has its own toilet / restroom?
4. Maybe this is the most important one: Somebody told me Seoul made a rule in which all public entities (buildings, hotels, stuff like that) have to let the foreigner use the bathroom. Supposedly this rule was created before the World Cup.
Thank you.
Boy, that's some persistent trolling. And it's not even that funny.
No, We Do Not Look Alike
re: Kryptonite
Is there a Chinese spelling for Kryptonite?
Tani S.
You should ask a person who knows Chinese.
My boyfriend was stationed in Korea and got this tattoo while he was drunk and has no idea what it means. Can you tell me what it says?
The Korean has a serious question -- how did "getting drunk and getting a tattoo in Asian characters" not make Stuff White People Like yet? Seriously, has this ever happened to a non-white guy in the history of mankind? And Morgan, the tattoo is in Chinese.
This Space for Insane Political Statements
re: Question?!.
TO: Citizen Of North korea & government
Without getting in any trouble, can you ask Mr. President Kim Of North korea to relaese The Americans in detention, please trade and do not hate us so much.
Question 2.) Can You Stop firing and scalating war aginst Your neighbour South korea?
Question 3.) Is it not easier for North korea to change it's constitution to Human rights, equal rights and more freedoms and attempt to unify with South korea like The Gemanies did.
IF Germany became one, why can the koreas become one living nation instead of a nuclear confrontation that will kill more millions than in 1950-53.
Prophecy has been fulfilled through 2 World Wars and the key to The New World Order is for The Eastern Nations and Western Nations to unify under The United Nations as an 8th king.
I am sure Washington D.C. and Moscow are willing to negotiate a re-unification free enterprise agreement for both of the koreas to become ONE KOREA.
Please do not invade South korea or use nuclear weapons, life only ends after Judgment Day and that is after Armageddon, but first prophecy.
DEATH is not The Solution to Living in a Future World with a PARADISE In MIND.
Do not bite the hand that feeds you, God has always been a Loyal Greatness.
Thank You if this words reach The N.k. government under President Kim.
Sincerely, Rigoberto R.
January 28th, 2010 Thursday, 9:05 P.M. EST.
There is something we haven't tried with North Korea -- asking them nicely!
re: (no subject)
why dont u fire a torpedo on a NK ship and finish this chapter?
Ketan M.
Because the Korean does not own a torpedo, Ketan.
re: Can 한국 attain salvation, Park TK?
Dearest Park Tae Kyung,
Since I have always been a service to others, verily, verily I say unto thee:
What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?
Very truly, I tell you, servants are not greater than their master, nor are messengers greater than the one who sent them. If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them.
Yes I am with you always, until the very end of time.
You may turn your back. You may choose to ignore me with scorn in your gleaming eyes.
But I shall remain, for my middle initial is Z. If Z is taken away, then the bookholders
that consist of the letters A and Z will only have A, and people's books will not be able to stand.
A culture of ignorance is not what I wish to promote. If I had have read further instructions on how to
carry a cross better, maybe I wouldn't have almost been kicked out of the parade. Or maybe I should
have been kicked out and then I wouldn't have died. SHIT!
Jesus Z. Christ
- Because I am the FINAL letter of the law.
The Korean had thought he was a good Christian, but he did not realize Jesus Z. Christ swore so much.
Haters Gonna Hate
re: shut up korean
korean dogs fuck you. god damn u guys fucking korean. no penis stupid men.
korean only know how to fuck their brothers' assholes
- suruzhe
If you are going to hate, the least you can do is to make it totally insane, or insanely funny. Like the two examples below...
re: Dog meat (srsly)
It is immoral to eat dogs because dogs are cute.
All human cultures (and even some animal cultures) share 5 basic
underpinnings of morality. The first of these is harm/care -- i.e.
the urge to feel compassion for the weak, nurture our young and
condemn malicious violence. One effect of the harm/care foundation
is that most non-sociopaths -- and, indeed, even many non-human
animals -- tend towards a uniform response when confronted with
something neotenous or "cute": we want to care for it, not hurt it.
Cuteness components are pretty universal: large eyes, small nose, soft
body features, and infantile personality traits like playfulness,
curiosity, innocence and affectionate behavior. The evolutionary
underpinning of this whole thing is fairly obvious.
Applying these scientific (seriously) cuteness criteria, it's clear
that the domesticated dog is cuter than any livestock, e.g. the more
intelligent pig. The Russian silver fox experiment suggests this is
because when wild canids are bred purely for behavioral tameness,
neotenous physical traits emerge as a byproduct. Even within just a
few generations, the effect is remarkably pronounced. So, moral
people -- people exhibiting a strong harm/care foundation -- are
deterred from inflicting violence on domesticated dogs. As dogs have
become cuter and cuter over time, the practice of consuming dog meat
has died out. Plus, ancient civilizations that ate dogs often ate
ugly ones. The Aztecs, for example, bred hairless dogs specifically
for this purpose. And obviously dog meat is taboo in Mexico now, just
like it is in the civilized world. Dog meat is likewise verboten in
the Middle East (and has been for centuries), and Mesopotamia
developed agriculture long before Korea did.
Asian people seem to have a peculiar relationship with cuteness in
general. Girls buy those gigantic contact lenses and cell phones are
decorated with cutesy trinkets. In Japan, various government
bureaucracies have their own Pokemon-esque anthropomorphic mascots. I
visited the home of a Taiwanese friend whose grandmother obsessed over
Hello Kitty paraphernalia but callously neglected their actual dog.
Plus there are those zoos in China where patrons torture animals for
fun. What is up with this? Why are you people so fucked up?
- Anonymous Commenter
See? Great example of total insanity. Or alternatively, try this one...
re: Wow
Dear Korean,
Perhaps our "pathetic ability to say hello" has the same base as when a Korean walks up to an American expatriate is clearly reading in a public place and a Korean walks up to us and insists on talking to us in Engish. Perhaps what you see as "Yellow Fever" is an American expression of wanting to be friendly. After all, the first thing I ask a person whether he's from New York, Ohio, Xian, Toyko or Pusan (oh, sorry, Busan).
My question is this: If the purpose of your blog is to educate people, why insult them, consistently? It sounds like you're trying to act cool for your friends. You come off as the Korean equivalent of an ugly American. And from what I learned of Korean culture in the two years I spent in Seoul, that's pretty sinful, is it not?
It sounds like you're suffering from culture shock or culture fatigue -- it causes depressiond irritability. Do what I did when I had the same problem after several years in Germany, Korea, Peru and several other countries. Go back to a place where you don't feel it.
Or perhaps you feel it everywhere. Being a little less snotty might help. After all.
I'd say, Anyongkeseyo, but I'm really not feeling it. I'll just say, rather than posting my question to make fun of it, why not just answer it internally in front of a mirror -- truthfully -- and have done? I'm not impressed enough to have you print it, and won't be returning to your blog to find out anyway.
Mark W. W.
An American whose proud of his culture, his country, and his meager language skills.
But posting your "question" to make fun of it is so much more fun, Mark. And maybe you should not be too proud of your "Engish" skills.
The Cliffhanger Emails
re: Rev.panyasiri from in india
Dear,korean company I am buddhist monk from in india.I get your email
account,I want to know about your country.I like,korean traditional.
Gotta admit, there is something poetic about this email.
re: (no subject)
Hello! My name is heather and i work in geriatrics. One of my residents, kyung, speaks only korean and due to the language barrier i
Did your patient die in the middle of writing this email? That's the most plausible explanation for this, right?
Drum Rolls for Debbie S., the Worst Emailer of the Year
re: How korean men are jealous
(no text in body)
- Debbie S.
re: What to do
I honestly lpve him.I text him and tell him that I love him.how much more do I need to do to get him to believe me.I brought him a promise ring to prove that I lpve him.any advice on to get him to believe me
Thank you
- Debbie S.
re: Why is he such a jerk.on chat line trying to find a girl. When he has someone who loves him and shows no feeling at all what do I do ..
(no text in body)
- Debbie S.
Debbie S. shows the value of teamwork -- while her emails, individually, are just run-of-the-mill strangeness, she made them work together to generate overwhelming creepiness. It was a nice effort, Debbie. But not enough for the worst email of the year.
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"Quack Quack!! LETTSSS GOOOOO!" -Johnny Manziel
Johnny Manziel is, by a rather massive margin, my favorite non-Husky in college football. I had no idea he was originally an Oregon commit. Jeez, can you imagine the Ducks with Manziel?! Actually I'm really glad he isn't, because I'd be a Ducks fan on the spot.
He is the next Russell Wilson story waiting to happen. Hard not to root for the guy.


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Online auction for PAL
When: Through Monday
Where: www.pal.dojiggy.com
Description: Palmetto Animal League will host its third annual online auction to raise money for the many pets awaiting adoption at the Adoption Center in the Riverwalk Business Park, Okatie. Hundreds of items - large and small - range from travel packages and local dining opportunities to golf, tennis, spa services and much more. Items can be previewed at www.pal.dojiggy.com. The bidding begins at 8 a.m. Friday.
Details: For information about PAL, call Amy Campanini at 645-1725 or email firstname.lastname@example.com. For information about the online auction, call Pam Dyer at 837-8727, email email@example.com or go to www.pal.dojiggy.com
Celebrate Earth Day
When: 10:30 a.m. to 2 p.m. today
Where: Haig Point Clubhouse on Daufuskie Island
Description: Celebrate Earth Day with a brunch, a live and silent auction and a presentation and book signing by guest speaker Todd Ballantine, Lowcountry author of "Tideland Treasure," environmental scientist, interpretive naturalist, author, artist and musician.
Details: Call 842-3456 or email email@example.com. The fee for the event and ferry transportation is $50, $35 for those not requiring ferry transportation. For reservations go to DaufuskieIslandConservancy.org and click on the link for the Todd Ballantine Earth Day event.
Antique road show
and lectures
When: 1-4 p.m. today
Where: Fellowship Hall, Lowcountry Presbyterian Church, Simmonsville Road and U.S. 278
Description: Bring old jewelry, silver, paintings, china, any antiques to be appraised at the event hosted by the Sisterhood of Temple Oseh Shalom.
Details: Admission is $10 which includes the appraisal of three items and three lectures by the appraisers. Those wishing to only attend the lectures may do so for a fee of $3 per person. Refreshments will be served. Call 843-705-9266.
Concert for organ and instruments
When: 4 p.m. today
Where: All Saints Episcopal Church, 3001 Meeting St., off Main Street, Hilton Head
Description: All Saints' Organist and Choirmaster Steven Branyon will be joined by a select group of musicians in performing works of Richard Strauss, Anderson, von Paradis, and Hovhaness. In addition to the church's new Walker organ, other instruments to be included will be brass, flute, oboe, violin and harp.
Details: There is no charge for this event. Call 681-8333 for more information.
Hilton Head
Comedy Club
When: 9 p.m. today
Where: Kingfisher restaurant, 18 Harbourside Lane, Hilton Head
Description: Veteran comic Todd Yohn hails from North Carolina and rose to prominence in comedy clubs and on nationally syndicated radio shows. Yohn's comedy blends quirky facial gestures and high energy off-beat humor with ribald guitar tunes that warrant an R rating.
Details: Doors open at 8:30 p.m. Admission is $12 per person, 18 years and older. Advance reservations are recommended. Call 843-681-7757. Go to www.hiltonheadcomedyclub.com.
'My Muse is Back'
When: Through May
Where: The Filling Station Art Gallery, 69 Calhoun Street, Bluffton
Description: Art Cornell, acclaimed artist, photographer and poet, presents "My Muse is Back," a collection of new paintings.
Details: Go to www.fillingstationartgallery.com.
Bill Verity Cup Pro-Am Charity Golf Tournament
When: Shotgun start at 1 p.m. Monday
Where: Sanctuary Golf Club, 8 Waveland Ave., Cat Island, Beaufort
Description: The seventh annual tournament honors the late U.S. Secretary of Commerce and supporter of the Boys & Girls Clubs of the Beaufort Area. Proceeds will benefit the clubs of the Beaufort Area.
Details: Entry fee is $150 per amateur or $600 per team, which consist of four players and a pro. Hole sign sponsorships are still available for $150 per sign. Registration and sponsorships are still available. Call Liz Vallino at 843-379-5430, ext. 233.
AARP driver
safety course
When: 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. Monday
Where: Hidden Cypress, Sun City
Description: Drivers of any age may take the Safe Driving Course. The course will review current information; strengthen driving awareness; talk about senior processing skills; help you become an alert, aware driver; and provide information about bicycles, golf carts, RVs and motorcycles. Discussions will include current South Carolina laws and local regulations and facing the realities of driving in Beaufort County.
Details: Participants should bring lunch. A certificate of completion will be issued for the car insurance rate reduction. For information and registration, call Joyce Tartow at 705-5692 or email email@example.com.
When: 6 p.m. Tuesday
Where: Technical College of the Lowcountry, Building 12, Room 107
Description: The Beaufort Branch of American Association of University Women will meet. The guest speaker will be Dr. Eve Ashby, gynecologist, who will talk about what women need to know as they age.
Details: Call Diana Steele at 522-2796 or email firstname.lastname@example.com.
'How to Succeed in Business …'
When: Wednesday through May 27
Where: Elizabeth Wallace Theatre of the Arts Center of Coastal Carolina, Hilton Head Island
Description: Follow window washer Pierrepont Finch as he makes his way up the corporate ladder, landing the corner office and the girl, with the help of his trusty "how-to" book.
Details: Performances are at 8 p.m. Tuesday-Saturday, 2 p.m. Sunday, 7 p.m. April 29 and May 27. Tickets are $55 ($50 for the April 25-26 previews), $39 for children 15 and younger ($35 for the previews), and may be purchased at the Arts Center box office, online at www.artshhi.com or by phone with a credit card by calling 843-842-ARTS (2787).
7th annual American Pie
When: 7 p.m. Thursday-Friday
Where: Hilton Head Island High School Visual Performing Arts Center
Description: HHIHS students and faculty present their annual rock concert, "A Slice of American Pie!" Students and teachers will perform songs in the theme of "Name That Tune," or songs with names. All proceeds benefit Relay For Life.
2012 Hilton Head
Island Seafood Fest
When: 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday
Where: Shelter Cove Community park
Description: The fifth annual Hilton Head Island Seafood Fest, sponsored by the David M. Carmines Memorial Foundation benefits the American Cancer Society, the M.D. Anderson Cancer Research Center and the Island Recreation Scholarship Fund. The Seafood Fest will feature more than a dozen area restaurants dishing up their local and regional seafood specialties and other tasty dishes, as well as an "Iron Chef"-style competition, local artists showcasing their talents, live entertainment and a silent auction. Participating restaurants include: Alexander's, Black Marlin, Bluffton Oyster Co., The Chart House, The Crazy Crab, Hudson's Seafood House on the Docks, L'Woods, The Old Oyster Factory, Red Fish, Steamers Seafood, Street Meet, Wreck of the Salty Dog, among others. Events will include an "Iron Chef" competition, The Headliners, a long-time favorite musical group among locals and visitors, a "Kids Zone" with inflatable bounce houses and games, Famous Crab Races, a Bocce Ball Tournament hosted by the Italian American Club of Hilton Head (please contact firstname.lastname@example.com to participate) and a silent auction.
Details: Admission is $5 for adults and free for kids younger than 12. For additional information please visit davidmcarmines.org, or call 843-681-2772, ext. 137. To sign up for the "Iron Chef"-style competition, please call Andrew Carmines at 843-681-2772, ext. 137 or 843-422-6331.
Sermon in Song
When: 10:30 a.m. April 29
Where: Church of the Palms United Methodist, Okatie
Description: Pressanna Grant will present a sermon in song during the worship service. A singer, mother, cashier and a licensed Evangelical pastor, Pressana sings in such a way that one not only hears her rich, melodious voice, but also the depth of meaning in her songs. Though she never took a music lesson, she has sung at every church on Hilton Head Island and many around her home in Bluffton.
Details: There is no charge, and visitors and guests are welcome and encouraged to attend. A Love Offering will be collected when departing the sanctuary. A 5th Sunday Fellowship Luncheon will be held following services. The church is located at 1425 Okatie Highway (S.C. 170) at the light on the corner of Argent Road, across from the Kangaroo Station. For more information, call 379-1888.
Hilton Head Symphony Orchestra
When: 8 p.m. April 30
Where: First Presbyterian Church, 540 W. Hilton Parkway, Hilton Head Island
Description: "Song and Dance" is the final concert of the HHSO's 30th season and the last program of the new Light Classics series. Zhu Wang, 2011 first prize winner of the Hilton Head International Young Artists Piano Competition, will perform Mozart's "Elvira Madigan" concerto as the highlight of the season's conclusion.
Details: Tickets are $20, $30 and $40, available by calling the HHSO Box Office at 843-842-2055 or at www.hhso.org.
Be a Red Cross volunteer
When: 9 a.m.-noon May 1
Where: Parris Island Marine Corps Recruit Depot
Details: The Red Cross is seeking volunteers that are interested in providing services to our military and their family members. The Red Cross provides emergency communication messaging, briefings during pre-deployment activities, places volunteers in military hospitals and clinics, supports Family Day events with information and resources about the Red Cross, and mental health support.
Details: To register, email email@example.com or call 843-693-8441. Upon registration, the building and room number will be provided.
When: 5-8 p.m. May 3 opening reception
Where: Art League of Hilton Head, Walter Greer Gallery, Arts Center of Coastal Carolina, 14 Shelter Cove Lane, Hilton Head
Description: An Exhibition of Ceramics by Sheri Farbstein will run April 30-May 27.
Details: Call 843-681-5060 or go to www.ArtLeagueHHI.org.
Tall Ships visit
When: May 3-7
Where: Savannah Riverfront
Description: Celebrating the bicentennial commemoration of the War of 1812, more than 25 tall ships will make their way up the Eastern Seaboard this summer to participate in the TALL SHIPS CHALLENGE® Atlantic Coast 2012 series of races and public maritime festivals. Among the international ships planning to participate in the events are the 191-foot Indonesian naval barquentine Dewaruci; the French naval tall ships La Belle Poule and Etoile; and the 179-foot barque Picton Castle from the Cook Islands. U.S. vessels include the majestic 295-foot U.S. Coast Guard barque Eagle, HMS Bounty, Gazela, Lynx and Pride of Baltimore II.
Details: For information on the Savannah visit, go to www.savannahtallshipschallenge.com/events.htm. For more information about Tall Ships America or to learn how to sign aboard a tall ship, go to www.tallshipsamerica.org or contact Lori Aguiar at 401-846-1775 or firstname.lastname@example.com.
Relay For Life Hilton Head
When: 6 p.m. May 4
Where: Island Rec Center, 20 Wilborn Road, Hilton Head
Description: Community festival to support Relay For Life and the American Cancer Society.
Details: Event participation is free. Call 757-7450, email email@example.com or go to www.relayforlife.org/hiltonheadsc.
Princess Warriors Retreat
When: May 5
Where: Church of the Cross, Buckwalter Campus
Description: Princess Warriors will host "Blueprint for Victory - Be Holy as God is Holy" with three speakers and a praise band. Speakers are Melissa Jones, Jeannie Lyles and The Rev. Martha M. Horn. Lunch will be served and childcare is available upon request. There will be collection of food items for HOOT bags. HOOT bags benefit local children by providing extra food through the weekend.
Details: Tickets are $20 a person or a table for $140 (seats 8). Call 843-338-9000.
Free Market Warrior
When: 5 p.m. May 5; 6 p.m. May 7
Where: First Baptist Church of Bluffton, 1300 May River Road
Description: Loren Spivak will present his two-part "Economic Literacy Seminar." He teaches classical theory in a very understandable and, at times, entertaining manner. His seminar covers topics such as: comparative intellectual and historical roots of socialism and capitalism, the source of value and applying the principles of freedom to the problems of today: taxes, education, health care, trade protectionism and outsourcing.
Details: RSVP to: firstname.lastname@example.com or call 843-705-7102 or Jane at 904-612-6728. All are welcome to attend.
Springtime in Paris luncheon
When: 1 p.m. May 6
Where: Colleton River Plantation, Jack Nicklaus Clubhouse
Description: The 24th annual Art & Flowers luncheon celebration will offer a preview of artworks, floral designs and a boutique.
Details: Doors open at 11:45 a.m. Tickets are $40, preview only $10. RSVP by Monday. Call 843-681-5060, email email@example.com or go to www.artleaguehhi.org.
80th Reunion: a Comedy
When: 3 p.m. May 6
Where: ARTworks Black Box Theatre, 2127 Boundary St., in Beaufort Town Center
Description: This slightly risque play by Jim Herring is a parody of retirement living and the medical profession: "We'll sell you health insurance... First swear you're never ill..." The playwright is a retired resident of Beaufort, and describes the play as "goofy and risque."
Details: All seats are $12. Go to www.ArtWorksInBeaufort.org or call 379-2787.
The Hilton Head Shore Notes
When: 7 p.m. May 7
Where: Island Lutheran Church, 4400 Main St., Hilton Head
Description: The 4-part a cappella harmony women's chorus is hosting amembership drive. Prospective members need not read music, which is learned on CD's or tapes. If you're looking for your inner diva, come hear what we're all about!
Details: Call Barbara at 705-6852 or go to www.hiltonheadshorenotes.com.
Holistic Health lecture
When: 6:30 p.m. May 8
Where: Hilton Head Library, 11 Beach City Road
Description: The topic will be "A Holistic Approach to Digestive Health." Additional topics for upcoming lectures are: treating infertility holistically, treating allergies holistically, medication and drug alternatives, alternatives in treating pain, and a presentation on various fatigue syndromes (chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, Metabolic Syndrome X, Epstein Barr) from a holistic perspective. Rahmie Valentine, OMD, and Moshe Dekel, MD, will be conducting the seminar.
Details: The lecture is free. Call or email to reserve a seat at email@example.com or 843-298-2886.
When: 1-3 p.m. May 10
Where: Technical College of the Lowcountry, U.S. 268
Description: Jodie Randisi, speaker and coauthor of "Total Pardon, An Extraordinary Love Story, will conduct a creativity workshop for anyone with a story to tell, especially those who may be considering writing (or publishing) a personal essay, memoir, novel, speech or presentation. Whether participants want to celebrate and preserve family history or discover clever ways to communicate and share their unique stories, this highly interactive, hands-on workshop provides both inspiration and instruction.
Details: Registration is required. Deadline is May 9. Go to www.do-the-write-thing.com. Cost is $29.95 and includes a 40-page, full-color workbook with exercises and valuable resources for both authors and speakers.
When: Opens 8 p.m. May 11
Where: May River Theatre, Ulmer Auditorium, 20 Bridge St., Bluffton
Description: "Evita" is the riveting true-life story of Eva Peron, who rose above childhood poverty and a scandalous past to achieve unimaginable fortune and fame. Despite widespread controversy, her passion changed a nation forever.
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Bluffton JROTC Yard Sale
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Bluffton Village Festival
When: 10 a.m.-4 p.m. May 12
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Details: Admission is free. For information call 843-815-2277 or go to blufftonvillagefestival.com.
Grooving with the Beatniks on Paris Avenue
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Details: The concert series is produced by ARTworks and is free. Bring your chairs and dancing shoes. The rain location is The Shed, adjacent to the street venue, in Old Village Port Royal. For more information, contact ARTworks at 843-279-2787, www.ArtWorksInBeaufort.org.
League of Women Voters
When: 11:30 a.m. May 16
Where: Port Royal Golf Club, Hilton Head Island
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Details: The public is invited to attend. For details and reservations, call Katie Miller at 681-6448.
Artist Showcase 2012
When: Noon-8 p.m. May 25; 10 a.m.-6 p.m. May 26
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Description: The Beaufort County Black Chamber of Commerce is hosting the 10th annual showcase featuring local and visiting artists as well as live entertainment by recording artist Mahoganee during a free reception from 5-7 p.m. May 25. Exhibitors will include Hank D. Herring,
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Grooving with the Beatniks on Paris Avenue
When: 6:30 p.m. May 26
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Description: Angela Easterling and The Beguilers - Angela Easterling was raised in the South Carolina foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains and her debut album, "Earning Her Wings" was chosen as "Americana Pick of the Year" by Smart Choice Music. Her second album, "BlackTop Road", produced by Will Kimbrough, was released in July '09, landing in the top 5 for adds to the Americana radio charts and debuting on the Americana top 40 chart in September, where it remained for 7 weeks. She was selected for an official Americana Convention Showcase and also named a 2009 & 2010 Kerrville New Folk Finalist and a 2011 Telluride Troubadour.
Details: The concert series is produced by ARTworks and is free. Bring your chairs and dancing shoes. The rain location is The Shed, adjacent to the street venue, in Old Village Port Royal. For more information, contact ARTworks at 843-279-2787, www.ArtWorksInBeaufort.org.
America Sings!
When: 7 p.m. May 27
Where: First Presbyterian Church, Hilton Head
Description: The Hilton Head Choral Society presents its annual Memorial Day concert with brass, percussion, singing of the National Anthem and a Salute to the Armed Forces.
Details: General admission is $15, preferred seating $20. Call 843-341-3818 or go to www.hiltonheadchoralsociety.org.
America Sings!
When: 7 p.m. May 28
Where: Holy Family Catholic Church, Hilton Head
Description: The Hilton Head Choral Society presents its annual Memorial Day concert with brass, percussion, singing of the National Anthem and a Salute to the Armed Forces.
Details: General admission is $15, preferred seating $20. Call 843-341-3818 or go to www.hiltonheadchoralsociety.org.
Beaufort Beauties
When: 7:30 p.m. May 31
Where: The Shed of Port Royal, Port Royal
Description: Main Street Beaufort will host the third annual Beaufort Beauties fundraiser to benefit Main Street Beaufort, USA, Lions Club of Beaufort, Thumbs Up and Friends of Caroline Hospice on Saturday. Doors open at 7 p.m.
Details: Tickets are available at Main Street Beaufort at 525-6644 or 101 West Street Extension, Beaufort.
Grooving with the Beatniks on Paris Avenue
When: 6:30 p.m. June 9
Where: Paris Avenue, Old Village Port Royal
Description: Havana Son - Cuban native Rene Herrera is a seasoned veteran of Cuban symphonies and bands, recording artist, and accomplished composer and arranger. His wife and partner Lillian Herrera uses her background in classical music in concert with her Cuban roots to create an intoxicating and soulful sound of her own. Havana Son plays authentic Latin rhythms such as Salsa, Merengue, Son, Cha Cha, and Boleros in traditional and modern styles the way you would hear them in their respective countries.
Details: The concert series is produced by ARTworks and is free. Bring your chairs and dancing shoes. The rain location is The Shed, adjacent to the street venue, in Old Village Port Royal. For more information, contact ARTworks at 843-279-2787, www.ArtWorksInBeaufort.org.
Grooving with the Beatniks on Paris Avenue
When: 6:30 p.m. June 23
Where: Paris Avenue, Old Village Port Royal
Description: Webb Wilder and The Beatnecks - Webb Wilder is an evangelist for real rock 'n' roll. As a singer, guitarist, bandleader, film actor, songwriter and humorist, he may be roots-rock's only true Renaissance man. The Webb Wilder Credo: "Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big, wear glasses if you need 'em."
Details: The concert series is produced by ARTworks and is free. Bring your chairs and dancing shoes. The rain location is The Shed, adjacent to the street venue, in Old Village Port Royal. For more information, contact ARTworks at 843-279-2787, www.ArtWorksInBeaufort.org.
Coast Guard Auxiliary
When: 7 p.m. on the second Tuesday of each month
Where: BJWSA Community Room, S.C. 170 and Snake Road/Callawassie Drive, Okatie.
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Bereavement Group
When: 5 p.m. every Tuesday
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Details: Call Marie James, MA, Tidewater Hospice, at 757-9388.
Old Town Dispensary
When: 8-11 p.m., every Friday
Where: Calhoun Street, Bluffton.
Description: J. Howard Duff performs his brand of Lowcountry blues and rock'n' roll.
Bluffton Relax-and-Create Meetup Group
When: 10:30 a.m., on first Saturdays
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|2013-01-08, 13:13
|Link #31581
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
Not that I believe the purple to matter in the other gameboards but apparently it's structured to permit this sort of logic twisting.
|2013-01-08, 13:33
|Link #31582
Join Date: Oct 2012
I was aware jiblue.
And I was referring to: Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are not killers. Unless the translation has made a little blunder there (and the Japanese sentence is actually way more precise), it seems to say "they didn't kill each other, have never killed and can't kill period - they are not killers."
If we take the red like this, and apparently it's quite popular to do so: the very fact that this could be stated about Nanjo (and because that red doesn't specify that it's only talking about Rokkenjima 1986) means that he hasn't killed anyone in the past either, otherwise he'd already be a killer/murderer.
So Erika's red can't apply to him or the other two since backstories can't magically change like the contents of the cat box.
Or we argue about the semantics between "murderer" and "killer", sure.
What are we even doing? Both of us agree that Bern's game and it's special rules don't really hold any significance for Beato's gameboards.
Anything we haven't complained about lately?
|2013-01-08, 16:42
|Link #31583
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Gnawing away at Rokkenjima
ShKanon people, although diverse themselves, all understand Umineko on some kind of meta-level. Anti-ShKanonism is the result of a deficiency in meta-understanding.
Since the overall intrigue of EP5 is being discussed and there seem to be a few new people around, I'm going to reintroduce a theory I've mentioned before (hopefully in a more organized, more convincing way).
Now, in EP5 there's that scene where Erika and Battler are in the middle of solving the epitaph and searching for the path to the gold, and then Battler has a vision of Kinzo, who points the way for him. But we also know that No person would mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo by sight. So then we know for a fact that when Battler told Erika that "grandfather pointed the way", he was lying.
Nothing special so far, I know, since this logic was all explained as part of the EP5 ura anyway. However, if you think about what Battler was lying about, and the possible reasons for why he would lie about it, there are some very surprising implications.
First, I'll re-summarize the scene here, with the unreliable parts in gold:
Spoiler for summary:
You could suppose that he was simply contemplating the new revelation that the gold would cause problems in his family, when he coincidentally saw the lion statue turned, then mentioned it to Erika (despite having just realized that finding the gold is actually a bad thing), but since he was a bit mad at her decided to tease her a little bit by lying about having met Kinzo.
Possible, of course, but I think this theory sucks. It has too many weird jumps in Battler's thought process. So, here's the theory I like:
Spoiler for drumroll please:
|2013-01-08, 17:48
|Link #31584
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
As people die in EP 3 & 5 is reasonable to assume the epitaph wasn't solved but the solution or part of it was handed to them, possibly in exchange for their cooperation in Eva's case and in Battler's... no idea.
It's possible that the solution was handed to the siblings (Eva, Rudolf and Rosa) by Shannon and they asked Battler to play detective (maybe to avoid arguing among them) so as to 'force grandad to show up' in the belief it would be some sort of prank. He thought of it as a game as he's not suspecting grandfather is dead until, with Erika's help, he realized what the adults were really planning but, by then, it was too late to pull back as, if he hadn't found the gold, Erika would have found it.
After all this would explain why Battler switched from being unable to solve the epitaph in the prior episodes to solving it so easily in Ep 5.
Alternatively Battler might have seen Yasu dressed up as Beato pointing him to the lion. He didn't believe in Beatrice and he didn't want to sound nut saying he saw her so he gave the first apparently rational explanation that came to his mind, that he saw someone else, namely Kinzo.
However i still prefer the idea he already knew the solution. It explain much better how good he is at solving the epitaph when previously he couldn't really advance.
|2013-01-08, 21:22
|Link #31585
Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 31
You can actually form a sound theory about Kinzo using that red we got:
battler saw Ushiromiya Kinzo. dead or Alive does not matter No one would mistake him for another.
What I want to say is: he discorvered the corpse or something like that. We even got a hint in that regard:
At the Chapel fight between him and Dlanor, at the point where he uses the golden truth, he states that there is one body that could b kinzo's.
Don't forget the red about Kinzo has actually several consequences:
1st ) You can't msitake any object for Kinzo
2nd) You cant mistake another person for kinzo
3rd) You can't mistake Kinzo for someone else
Yet the red still allows us to have seen his corpse. Don't forget Dlanor couldn't get past the Golden truth. If the body would have never been hinted she could have simply said that the case must not be resolved with clues that were not presented in red and the golden truth would have been weaker than the red one.
As you can't mistake Kinzo for someone else, the corpse batttler talk about during the scene msut have really been Kinzo's.
Otherwise you would have needed him as a body double for someone else.
Edit: Or shanon could have moved the body as if it was alive, it would still not violate the red.
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|2013-01-08, 21:33
|Link #31586
"Senior" "Member"
Join Date: Jan 2012
But you also have to consider that it could be the other way around. That EP5 has much more important details:
'Legend' and 'Turn' were written by Yasuda (although the exact time is hard to determine, since Ange's illness was accounted for, but not Eva's death.) Piece-Battler and Meta-Battler were created on Yasuda's impression of the Battler from 6 years ago, as she didn't see him since then.
If we assume that 'End' was done by 9^9 but based on a witchhunter's forgery, then that witchhunter could have easily gotten good information about the characters by asking their colleagues or class mates.
Therefore Battler's personality in 'Legend' and 'Turn' were a red herring, while his personality in 'End' was much closer to the truth.
"Genius Battler Theory" for EP6 makes this seem more likely too.
But something I doubt a lot of people (if any) considered yet:
The chance for Erika together with Battler to solve the epitaph, or at least to get into the gold room, is higher than 0,1%. This does NOT include the chance of Battler solving the epitaph alone or solving it with groups that do not include Erika
source: logic and
Of course all of this is just my speculation (aside from the one red truth), but I had this stance for a long time and no one argued with me about it, compared to the "ikuko=yasu" theory, where I could even see a balanced tendency and everyone was talking about it and answered my posts regarding it.
This always made me wonder... what if one simply takes out Kinzo and replaces these scenes with Yasuda instead?
I mean we often got the impression that "Kinzo = Beatrice", escpacially in EP4, where Battler argued that "someone" could have taken Kinzo's name.
Sorry if something is not understandable, i wrote this in the middle of the night.
|2013-01-08, 21:42
|Link #31587
Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 31
|2013-01-08, 21:57
|Link #31588
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2011
Natsuhi is not the culprit.
Please show some evidence for this.
Let's forget about Knox's rules. Let's try and remember the rules of the game. What was the first thing that Battler ask when Beato introduced the red truth? How did Beato respond?
The limits that were placed on the red were only imposed on the human side. What was the goal of the human side? Back in EP3, Battler couldn't just call in ghost testimony, or use red truth. He had to find evidence.
I believe then that this is so the human won't just try and say random things in red and get it right by guessing. in EP4, Battler tried guessing what his sin was, and Beato just got more upset.
Jumping into EP5's Courtroom of Illusions. The human side was being asked to present evidence which, if it became conclusive, would become elevated to red. Once Battler tried using a red, they accused him of guessing. This isn't just a violation of Knox's rules, but against the rules of how the red was supposed to work.
This doesn't change the fact that Gold came out of nowhere, or that Dlanor definitely cheated in her spar against Gaap. I just don't believe that they were cheating in EP5 with the red-blue answer session in the Court.
|2013-01-08, 22:09
|Link #31589
Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 31
The point was that Battler was never allowed to use the red in the first place, thats why they accused him of 'guessing'
by guessing they thought of him having just tried to say the sentence in red and he got a lucky shot.
Which is why they made sure virgilia couldn't enter as soon as Battler said that she has told him.
|2013-01-09, 00:10
|Link #31590
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Gnawing away at Rokkenjima
I'm not exactly comfortable with this many 'probablies', 'maybes', and 'could haves', though. Then again, it seems like every comprehensive theory for EP5 requires these kinds of stretches in reasoning.
Battler: I've found it... that's the signpost to The Golden Land.
Erika: [...] ......You have pretty good powers of observation.
Battler: Grandfather told me about it.
Erika: Huh? Kinzo-san? Where?
Battler: I'm going. [...]
Although this does bring up an interesting point. Battler had no logical reason to lie about this. None. He could have simply let Erika believe he just happened to notice it. But that's not what he did. Instead he lied... it kind of reminds me how Beatrice would take illogical risks sometimes.
If Battler already knows the way, it implies that he has likely already seen the gold itself. For example, Yasu may have already brought him down there much like she did with Krauss and Natsuhi in Our Confessions (whether at gunpoint or not, I don't know).
Also, even if it somehow was, it wouldn't account much for Battler's lie. Battler's lie is not just about seeing Kinzo and recognizing him, but also about Kinzo allegedly telling Battler the way.
|2013-01-09, 03:20
|Link #31591
Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 31
Yasu, or whoever else could have simply made a pointing gesture with the corpse while being hidden behind it. He never #tolf' him the way he pointed somewhere
@ Erika fooled:
Considering how EP 4 mainly shows magic fantasy battles and leaves pretty much every corpse unobserved by battler the answer to EP 4 could indeed be that it was a prank.
This only applies to EP 6 and 4 though.
Ep 4 teaparty's red:
You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. Yet I am here, now, and will kill you
doesn't necessarily contradict that everyone is alive if you replace the answer 'bomb' with explosion. As its source is in a hidden tunnel it would need time to reach battler.
The red about Kanon being dead wouldn't matter either, if you consider how he is just one of Shanon's personalities.
Most of it happened over the phone, it was probably some sick kind of joke kyrie and rudolf thought up. Maybe it was shanonto make him repent. EP 4 is the only episode you can solve without anyone physically dying until the explosion though.
Again though it would only work for Game 4 and game 6 (until Erika 're'-kills them) though.
For the other games someone has to be the culprit as someone was indeed killed.
Game 5:
The problem with this one, leaving whether the letter and knock existed aside, are the reds Virgilia gave us (and I'm not talking about 'Natsuhi is not the culprit').
I'm more referring to the one where she said that no corpse was ever poved after the people died. in combination with the one that everyone can see at a glance that they are indeed dead.
You can start tackling this from the wordgame angle, and say that they died later, the red was given out in the middle of the game though.
So game 5 was definitely not a prank.
|2013-01-09, 04:54
|Link #31592
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Gnawing away at Rokkenjima
anyone looking at George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, or Genji's corpses could confirm at a glance that they are dead doesn't apply to people playing dead or otherwise alive. The red says you can't mistake a dead person for a live one, but you can still mistake a living person for a dead one.
|2013-01-09, 06:39
|Link #31593
Senior Member
Another thing I found when I went over EP5 notes and the manga again:
In the little argument Battler and Erika have in front of Kinzo's study they mention two rather famous mystery novels, The Astrology Murder Case (占星術殺人事件; released in English under The Tokyo Zodiac Murders) and The Non-Serial Murder Case (不連続殺人事件) which both bear interesting similarities to Umineko in general.
The first one deals with the murder of a wealthy family head murdered in a locked room study, who left behind a note detailing the creation of the perfect being "Azoth" through the sacrifice of the virgin women of his family. A few weeks after his death the women die on a trip to a holy mountain and are found dismembered and with one body part missing.
The solution bears an interesting connection to Umineko as well:
Spoiler for Solution:
The second one is about a series of murders surrounding the wealthy Utagawa family. Several strange individuals were invited to the house through apparently faked invitations and 8 murders occur that don't seem to follow any reason or motive, earning this case the name of the Non-Serial Murder Case.
This solution is interesting especially in connection to EP5:
Spoiler for Solution:
I would really like to go over all of Umineko again and find which other works were mentioned or at least hinted at...
|2013-01-09, 07:46
|Link #31594
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Remember this? My name is Furudo Erika i am the 18th human on Rokkenjima...... although there are 17 people
After this case any use of an ordinal number seems very untrustworthy.
|2013-01-09, 08:21
|Link #31595
Senior Member
Ordinal numbers do have a certain value, but they have to be read in the exact context they are given.
Out of the 5 people including Kyrie, he was the first to die. In other words this means that he is the 9th victim.
Nowhere does it say that 8 people DIED before him, just that he would be considered the 9th victim (in Japanese giseisha) of whatever is happening.
That the order of sacrifices and the order of the actual murders is not necessarily the same was already implied in EP2 through the sacrifices from 4th to 8th being Shannon-Gohda-George-Nanjo-Kumasawa, while the depicted order of deaths in the narrative was Nanjo-Kumasawa-Gohda-George-Shannon. It was then again highlighted in EP3 by Eva Beatrice jumbling sacrificial order and order of death of Kyrie-Rudolph-Hideyoshi around.
The Erika problem is similar in how numbers are meant to deceive in the way they are used. The Red Erika gives is:
I am the visitor, the 18th human of Rokkenjima!!
Which merely tells us that in addition to the 17 human characters that seem to exist on Rokkenjima there was an uninvited visitor. It could have been Furudo Erika or an old woman who brought cookies for Kumasawa and did not make it back. It doesn't matter though because,
Even if we accepted you...we are 17.
Actually looking back on EP1 it would only be logical (intended by Ryukishi or not) for that space to exist because, as given in the endroll of EP1, the case was later also known as "The Killing of the 18 on Rokkenjima".
|2013-01-09, 09:10
|Link #31596
Join Date: Oct 2012
Generally I go with this one too.
It has also been argued not too long ago that it might mean "the 18th human-character shown to be on Rokkenjima in this tale of 1986". Kanon was never a fully independent human.. question is, who is the 17th then? Maybe Kinzo...he did live at some point, even though not in 1986 - but he was portrayed as being alive for four episodes. "He is the 17th human(-character shown as "part of the human-side" in this story on Rokkenjima 1986), the head of the Ushiromiya household, portrayed as being alive but ultimately dead from the start." Not too sure about how to explain the 17th human though; even though Kinzo is a character based on a human it just opens up too many uncertainties.
Though the picture of Shannon franctically smashing her head repeatedly into the stake, barely able to keep the stake stable on the night table, crying in pain, seemed to portray her desperation and anguish pretty well. Pity... oh well.
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|2013-01-09, 10:58
|Link #31597
Join Date: May 2009
Probably the publication of the message bottles. The police presumably didn't know how many people there were, and only likely knew who was "supposed" to be there in part (for example, I doubt the police had any way of knowing which servants were supposed to be on duty other than the vague testimony of servants who knew it was their days off).
The message bottles advance 18 apparent humans, including Shannon, Kanon, and Kinzo, all of whom appear to be alive. When it became popular to "realize" that Kinzo was probably long dead, it opened a space for an 18th person in the minds of writers.
I think this is an example of how changes made to the story in-progress may have damaged the flow of the narrative. Kinzo being confirmed dead in ep4 and Beatrice lowering the person count is not as elegant as not confirming his death until ep5, introducing Erika beforehand, and announcing that everything is just the same as before. Sure, lots of people already knew, but that's no reason to screw around with it?
Honestly, the whole show trial segment would've been a bit more punchy had Kinzo's death only finally been confirmed at around that time.
|2013-01-09, 11:59
|Link #31598
Senior Member
I kind of got what Erika was about from the very moment she was introduced somehow, or at least I was thinking in the direction that was decided upon at the end of EP6, so I can't say that I think it's a bad plot element. Still I agree with you that it could have been handled
a) more elegantly and
b) in a way that serves the plot much more
Like this the whole "we are 18 but 17" thing is just like a neat little afterword that either confirms the suspicions you had or has no impact beyond the tension it holds in that very scene. Erika's existence was that of a half-life anyway so, nothing lost, nothing gained...
|2013-01-09, 12:18
|Link #31599
Join Date: Oct 2012
Still odd that they're talking about the "killing of the 18" when they talk about the 'incident', considering Eva survived. Unless the police had reason to believe that 19 were there. Guess you can still claim that it's purely referring to "the incident portrayed in the story", not "the actual incident on Rokkenjima 1986", meh.
Well... I still hold the opinion that Ryu came up with our current prime, or what we at least call that way, when he rewrote EP3.
Looking at the last two lines you quoted... wow, we should've known from the very start where our journey is going. Damn genre-conventions making us believe ominous letters about mass murder!
|2013-01-09, 12:19
|Link #31600
Join Date: May 2009
In all honesty, lowering the count then raising it again makes Shkanon more suspicious when you get to ep6's conclusion, because now you know exactly who you're not supposed to be looking at (Kinzo or Erika). For example, had it been more ambiguous some people might've read the ending as a mere blanket denial of Erika, rather than a giant flashing neon sign indicating two of the other characters are one.
And yes I agree with you that had proto-Erika been implemented when Ryukishi had initially meant to that the flow might've been fine the way it was, but it would've also rather significantly changed what ep5 and probably ep6 became too, so who knows how that would've gone.
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Theodore Roosevelt Tour of the Museum: TR and the Giant Sloth main content.
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The restored Theodore Roosevelt Memorial is now open, and a new self-guided tour—available as part of the Museum's Explorer app, or on our website—highlights exhibits around the Museum with a connection to TR, who was President from 1901 to 1909. In this post, the third in a series, we explore one of the tour's stops: the skin and dung of an extinct giant sloth, Mylodon darwinii, now on display in the Hall of South American Peoples.
While president, Theodore Roosevelt made a gift, now on display in the Early Peoples section of the Hall of South American Peoples, of dung and skin (catalog no. 96263) from a giant ground sloth, Mylodon darwinii, extinct for 10,000 years.
The skin specimen is a fragment of the only complete preserved skin of the species ever found, discovered in the late 1890s in a cave in southern Chile. Ossicles, or bone fragments within the skin, are a primitive characteristic not shared by the two- and three-toed sloths living today.
The Hall of South American Peoples also includes Roosevelt contributions from an arduous expedition to Brazil that nearly cost him his life.
In 1914, the ex-President and Brazilian explorer Colonel Cândido Mariano da Silva Rondon led an expedition down an uncharted tributary of the Amazon now known as Rio Roosevelt. They were accompanied by Museum ornithologist George K. Cherrie and mammalogist Leo E. Miller.
In addition to bird and mammal specimens, they collected 249 ethnological artifacts including Nambikuara palm nut bead and bamboo necklaces (such as catalog no. 40.0/ 1260) highlighted in the hall's Adornment case.
On the arduous journey, the group endured impassable rapids, malaria, and near starvation, and Roosevelt nearly died from infection.
The next year, Roosevelt wrote a book about the expedition, called Through the Brazilian Wilderness, in which the photograph below appeared.
"I did my writing in headnet and gauntlets," he explains in the photograph's caption, perhaps because, as he writes in a different part of the book, "at times the torment of insect plagues can hardly be exaggerated."
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Wonder what you would find if you frisked Congressman Bob Etheridge (D-NC) while he goes for a casual stroll down the street?
Answer: Some built up violent rage towards college students.
This is absolutely shocking…
Mike Flynn from Big Government reports:
Last week, Democrat Congressman Bob Etheridge (D-NC2) attended a fundraiser headlined by Speaker Nancy Pelosi. He was asked by some students on the street whether he supported the "Obama Agenda." He didn't take it well.
Expect more of this. The hard, progressive left captured the Democrat majority in Congress and forced them to enact a fantasy grab-bag of legislation that is increasingly unpopular with the American public. We're on the cusp of a deeper recession, millions of unemployed Americans have no prospect for work, taxes are about to spike higher and we've maxed out the national credit card. The Democrats were given a chance to run government and they've only succeeded in running it into the ground.
So, yeah, Democrats who are up for reelection this November are a bit testy.
Let's recap what we saw on this video. A sitting Congressman–a presumed living extension of James Madison and other founding fathers–was asked on a public street whether he supported the President's agenda. His response was to hit away a video camera and assault a student. The age of Pericles this ain't.
Honestly, what part of "you work for us" do these people – especially liberals -not understand? Whatever happened to simply replying with "no comment"? I thought that would be the first lesson learned by members of Congress… Obviously not taught by the Democrats.
Remember all the liberals warning America about the "violent rhetoric" being demonstrated by the Tea Parties and Conservatives? (If you don't, you can watch here: Video 1, Video 2, Video 3, Video 4, Video 5, etc.) Hmm… Isn't it funny how all the actual violence is coming from liberals? Perhaps the mainstream media should do their job and get on that one.
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