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Talking Tattoos needed a new logo design and created a contest on 99designs.
A winner was selected from 54 designs submitted by 9 freelance designers.
Talking Tattoos is a membership based website which allows people to share the story behind their tattoo and what it means to them. At Talking Tattoos, we see tattoos as art, the skin as the canvas and the tattoo artist in the same respect as any great painter.
We are out to change the way people see tattoos and the people with tattoos. When people see that tattoos have a unique story that is personal to the wearer they will hopefully look at tattoos in a different way. Our goal is to teach people to judge the art and not the person.
Our audience is worldwide and anyone who has access to the internet. The majority of our members are generation Y but we do have a lot of Gen X also.
We see the website essentially having two types of audiences, people with tattoos and people without tattoos. We want the people with tattoos to appreciate the artwork of others whilst the people without tattoos to appreciate the tattoos and stories and see that they have meanings to the wearer, the tattoos may even inspire some people to get a tattoo themselves.
The logo must include:
The company name "Talking Tattoos"
Either one or two creatures which are half eagle and half horse (image attached)
The words "Veneratio Supernus" which is Latin for Respect Above
We want you to create a logo for our new website design. Since we are out to change the way people see tattoos, the tattoo artists and the tattoo industry in general, we don't want to see skulls, bones, skimpy girls, black or dark colors etc. The new website design is clean, modern and professional and hence we want the logo to reflect this new image.
The idea for our symbol being the creature of half horse half eagle reflects 3 keys words for us: Respect, Honour and Art.
Key Points of the design
I want the logo to include one or two creatures (half horse, half eagle) similar to the attached example (DesignImage).
The creatures should not show any aggression, they are respectful, showing power with elegance and poise.
The colors used should be earth colors, see attached image (image002) as an example of the colors.
The company name "Talking Tattoos" should appear on the logo.
The words "Veneratio Supernus" must also appear on logo.
The aspect ratio of the image will be roughly 1.5:1, as an example if it is 100cm wide it will be 50cm high.
The image will be in PNG format.
Do not use clip art.
An idea for this was a Coat of Arms but don't limit yourself to this.
Find out how a design contest works or learn more about our logo design services.


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Hand up, not out, at New Deliverance
New Deliverance Ministry, IDC, 385 Jefferson St., Quincy. Leona Ross, pastor and Apostle Lorenza Rutledge, overseer. Phone: 850-320-5212 or 850-590-3380. Giving you a hand up, not a hand out. Division of SDJEA EPC. Sunday Worship Service at 11 a.m. and Bible Study on Thursdays at 7:30 p.m. Come in expecting a change!
Learn wisdom,
worship at Triumph
Triumph the Church and Kingdom of God in Christ, 600 Williams St., Quincy, Elder Julius C. Mitchell, pastor, Mother Pearlnita Mitchell, first lady, Mother Paralee Bridges, shepherd mother. You are cordially invited to attend our Advanced School of Wisdom on Sunday at 10 a.m. and Sunday Worship Service at 11:30 a.m. All are welcome to attend; our doors hang on the hinges of love and we are all about life and living.
Greater Faith Temple announces schedule
Greater Faith Temple, COGIC, located in St. Hebron Community on Pt. Milligan Road (off Hwy 12) Sunday School at 10 a.m. Worship Service at 11 a.m. first and third Sunday Pastoral Sunday second Sunday Women's Hour, fourth Sunday Youth Day Service. Every Wednesday 6 to 7 p.m. Bible study/pastoral teaching by Elder Jimmy L. Salters, pastor. For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost, Matt. 18:11. There is a blessing waiting just for you!
Midway church
meets for worship
Midway Church of God in Christ is located at 803 Brickyard in Midway. The pastor is Elder Elliott C. Sheppard. Sunday School starts at 9:45 a.m. on Sundays followed by Sunday morning worship at 11:30 a.m. weekly. Bible Study is 7 p.m. each Wednesday. Join us for a refreshing praise.
Bethlehem M.B.
plans Communion
Bethlehem M. B. Quincy, Rev. Tony Williams Sr., pastor. Sunday School, 10 a.m. Morning Worship, 11 a.m. first Sunday, Communion. Second Sunday, Pastoral Service. Third Sunday, Missionary. Fourth Sunday, Youth in Charge. First, second and third Wednesdays, Prayer and Bible Study, 7 p.m.
Mt. Zion offers
time for health
Mt. Zion C.M.E. Church, located at 821 W. 4th St., Quincy, Rev. Teresa McMillon, Pastor, invites you to worship with us. Regular Worship Services are first, third and fourth Sundays at 11 a.m. with a "Medical Moment of Education" with Dr. Candace McMillon-Dantley (every fourth Sunday), second Sunday at 8 a.m. with breakfast following service. Sunday School is first, third and fourth Sunday at 10 a.m. Bible Study is every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Feel free to come and join us, as we are "Ordinary People Serving An Extraordinary God!"
New Life announces services
New Life Church of Christ Written In Heaven, Hwy 90 West Woodberry Road, Quincy, Pastor Sarah Battles. Services are: Sunday School at 10:30 a.m. Worship Service second and fourth Sundays at noon.
Prayer Warriors
worship, study
Prayer Warriors Outreach Ministry COGWIH, Whispering Pines Lane, Quincy, Regular Church Services are every first and third Sundays. Beginning with Sunday School at 10 a.m. and Worship Service at 11a.m. Prayer Meeting and Bible Study every Tuesday beginning at 7:30 p.m. in the Sawdust Community on Edwards Road. Pastor, Prophetess, Evangelist Dorothy A. Lee. Contact Recording Secretary Sis. Bobbie Smith at 850-875-4938 for information.
Shiloh Church
welcomes all
Shiloh Church of Christ Written in Heaven, Inc. Located on Cox Road (St. John Community) Sunday Services are every first, second and fourth Sunday at noon. Sunday School every Sunday at 10:30 a.m. Prayer Meeting on Wednesday at 7:30 p.m. Everyone is welcome to worship The Lord with us! Host pastor: Elder Mary Holloman.
Bishop John Battles pastors New St. Peter
New St. Peter Apostolic Church, 243 Blount Road, Quincy, 850-442-9339, Pastor, Bishop John W. Battles. Every Sunday: Sunday School at 9:30 a.m. Morning Worship at 11:30 a.m. Every fourth Sunday Evening at 7 p.m. Praise and Worship Service. Every fifth Sunday Rotate with Fellowship. Every Wednesday at 7 p.m. Bible Study Every Friday at 7 p.m. Tarrying Service. Every Saturday at noon, Prayer and Consecration.
Ministry presents weekly worship
New Frontier at new location New Frontier Kingdom International Ministries Inc., located at 1131 Live Oak St., Quincy. Senior pastor, Prophetess Stephanie Mitchell, resident pastor, Elder Terry Mitchell. Tuesday 7:30 p.m. Intercessory Prayer and Thursdays 7:30 p.m. Prophetic Bible Study. Sundays, 11 a.m. Worship Service. New Frontier Educational and School of Ministry are proud to announce its facility is open at 1131 Live Oak St., Quincy. For information, contact: Dr. Stephanie Mitchell, president/CEO, or Mary Burns, administrator, at 850-510-4035, firstname.lastname@example.com.
Tabernacle Church welcomes all
Tabernacle Church of Christ Written in Heaven, Gretna, Florida, Hwy 90 West. Sunday School Sunday at 10:30 a.m. and Worship at noon every first, third and fourth Sunday. Prayer Meeting every Wednesday night at 7:30 p.m. Everyone is welcome to worship the Lord with us!
United Apostolic
offers transportation
United Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ of Gretna Florida, Pastor Julia Gammon, invites everyone to come fellowship first, third and fourth Sundays. Sunday School begins at 10 a.m. Morning Worship at 11:30 a.m. Fourth Sunday, Youth. Prayer on Tuesday at 7:30 p.m. Bible Study/ Tarry Service on Thursday at 7:30 p.m. Everyone is welcome to worship the Lord with us. For transportation contact Odis Gammon at 850-856-9269 or Linda Baker at 850-524-5448.
On the Move
announces services
On the Move for Jesus, Pastor Mickey Brinson and Apostle Brinson Overseers. Regular services are every Sunday at 11 a.m. Sunday School is at 10 a.m. Prayer at 9 a.m. Wednesday, Bible Study, 6:30 p.m.
New Direction
on Facebook
New Direction Christian Center, Dr. Gerald Thomas Sr., pastor, 1832 Florida Ave., Quincy (behind Patches Skating Rink). Like our page on Facebook at New Direction Christian Center or email us at email@example.com/.
Sundays: Teaching and Learning Enrichment 9:45 a.m. Morning Glory 11 a.m.
Tuesdays: Prayer 6 p.m. Networking In The Word 7 p.m.
Thursdays: Music Ministry Practice 6:30 pm. Every first Sunday, Hour of Power 6 p.m.
Every third Sunday: Friend Sunday/Dress Down.
New name, leader
for ministry
I AM Fellowship Ministries, Inc has a new name and a new leader. The church is now a part of the Churches of God in Christ under Jurisdictional Prelate Bishop W. C. Green. I AM Fellowship Ministries Church of God in Christ is under the leadership of Elder Jonathan Wilson. The church is located at 1514 Florida Ave., Quincy. All are invited to attend. For information, call Pastor Emeritus Vivian Wilson at 850-778-6991.
mission in Quincy
Church of Jesus Christ Holy Mission Pentecostal, 4067 N. Attapulgus Hwy, Quincy. Phone 850-627-2316 Presiding Elder James M. Jones Sr. Pastor. Schedule of Services: Sunday School at 11 a.m. Pastoral Sunday first and third Sunday at noon. Youth Sunday, second Sunday at 11:30 a.m. Fellowship Services (Various Churches) Saturday before second Sunday of each month at 3 p.m. Evangelistic Service fourth Sunday at 11:30 a.m. Fellowship Service fifth Sunday (various churches), noon. Tuesday night. Prayer and Bible Study at 7:15 p.m. Thursday Night Tarry Service at 7:15 p.m.
Java, fellowship with Methodists
Centenary United Methodist Church, corner of Madison and Franklin Street, Quincy. 850-627-9226. Sunday Mornings: Gathering with coffee and fellowship in Fellowship Hall before Sunday school at 9:30 a.m.; Sunday school at 9:45 a.m.; worship service at 11 a.m. Wednesday night: Dinner 5 p.m.; Bible Study 6 p.m.; Choir Practice and/or Prayer Service 7 p.m.
A church to love
Agape Christian Fellowship Center Inc. We welcome you and encourage you to join us at any or all of the following services: Sunday school at 9 a.m. Morning Worship 10:30 a.m., Monday prayer 7 p.m. Wednesday Bible Study 7:30p.m. The church is located at 10 S. Monroe St., Quincy, and every Third Saturday of each month, food Distribution 9 to 11 a.m., 9 S. Jackson St., Quincy. Bishop Reginald D. Washington Sr., pastor. Church phone: 850-627- 4332
Revival planned for DPWC
Destiny Praise & Worship Center Inc. Apostle Rosilyn Copeland, pastor. Weekly services: first and third Tuesdays at 7:30 p.m., second and fourth Thursdays at 7:30 p.m. Sunday: Worship Service – Sunday at 11 a.m. "A Church Alive is Worth the Drive" – "Your Destiny Awaits You" For information, contact 850-875-4497, or email@example.com or visit www.iicorfodm.com.
Havana church at work
The New Jerusalem Missionary Baptist Church in Havana hosts "Thursday Nights Together" (TNT) every Thursday from 6:30 to 8 p.m. It includes tutoring and homework assistance for school-age children, a focused-driven Bible Study session for adults and children, a worship service and a community meal.
New Jerusalem recognizes the need to remind the community God is still our refuge. Therefore, the Gadsden County community is invited to worship with the church as it serves, grows and connects. For information, call 850-510-5538. Julius R. Harris is the host pastor. We look forward to seeing you!
Ministry announces schedule
Highly Exalted Ministries Inc. invites everyone for Bible Study at 7 p.m. Tuesdays and Fridays. Pastors Eric and Sheila Williams. For information, call 850-662-1290.
Beulah Hill in Gretna sets services
Beulah Hill Missionary Baptist Church, 14533 Main Street, Gretna. A Christ-centered Bible-based Church with the Rev. Marcus Smith, senior pastor. All are welcome to join the congregation every Sunday for Sunday School at 9:30 a.m., Devotion 10:45 a.m. and Call to Worship at 11:00 a.m. Wednesday Bible Study starts at 6:30 p.m.
New Birth sets services
New Birth Non Denominational Church, pastor and founder, Elder Eddie L. Richardson. Church services first, second, third, and fourth Sundays at 11 a.m.; Bible Teaching, every Wednesday at 7 p.m.; Sunday School, first, second, third, and fourth Sundays at 10 a.m. Celebrating Black History on Sunday, Feb. 24.
Meet with believers
Church Of Redeemed Believers has Sunday School every Sunday morning at 10 a.m., Worship service at 11 a.m. and every Wednesday night is Bible Study at 7:30 p.m. The public is invited. For information, call Cassie McClendon, 850-933-1694.
Church to celebrate pastor
Zion Hope PB Church Family will celebrate the seventh anniversary of Pastor Elder Joseph and Lady Cynthia Foster. All services start at 7 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 28, Elder Harry Cloud and St. Stephen P. B. Church. Friday, March 1, Elder Willie Fagg and St. Matthew P. B. Church. Saturday, March 2, Musical. Sunday, March 3, at 11 a.m., Evangelist Blackshear. Sunday, March 3, at 3 p.m., Elder James Carter and Walking By Faith Ministry out of Cairo, Ga.
Holy community meets weekly
Holy Community Church, 24450 Blue Star Highway, Quincy, invites the public to worship. Services are Sunday morning. Sunday School starts at 10 a.m. and Morning Worship starts at 11 a.m. Bible Study is Wednesday at 7:30 p.m. First and third Friday, Friday Night Live services start at 7:30pm.
Rev. Barkley offers Bible Institute
Reverend Earnestine Barkley, President of Barkley's Garden of H.A.R.P.S. Bible Institute announces and invites members of the community to view her Bible Institute. Reverend E. Barkley's Bible Institute may be accessed online at http://barkleysgarden.org/. Presently, there are 26 courses available online, also with detail information for entering into the online classroom.
Union Chapel announces giveaway
Union Chapel AMEC, the Rev. Kevin Robinson, Pastor. The chapel is in the Sawdust Community at 536 Union Chapel Road, Quincy. Union Chapel AME Church is on the move. Free giveaway of clothes, shoes from 11 a.m. until 2 p.m. at the church every third Saturday monthly. Church School at 9:30 a.m. every first, second and third Sunday. Worship Service at 11 a.m. every first, second, and third Sunday. Youth Day every second Sunday. Worship Service at 8 a.m. on fourth Sundays. Prayer Service & Bible Study every Wednesday at 6:30 p.m. The public is welcome.
Steward Temple hosts special program
Steward Temple AME Church invites the public to its "Annual Women In White" Program at 5 p.m. Sunday, March 10. The guest speaker is Elder John Neal, pastor of The Greater Saint Andrews Missionary Baptist Church, Climax, Ga. Steward Temple's address is 85 Woodward Road, Quincy.
Revival planned for Destiny
Destiny Praise & Worship Center, Inc. - Apostle Rosilyn Copeland
Weekly Services - Bible Study: Wednesday's at 7:30 pm, Worship Service: Sunday at 11 am,
For information, email firstname.lastname@example.com or visit www.iicorfodm.com
New home for church-based child care
Triumphant Church of God Christian Academy announce its new location from
405 A E. Jefferson St. to 1130 Live Oak St., Quincy.
The center offers full-time, part-time, before- and after-school childcare
from 6:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. We are interviewing families of prospective new
We have 30 openings for this term. These will be filled on a first come, first served basis. The center is located at 1130 Live Oak St.. For information, call Pastor Laverne Thomas.
Midway Church celebrating world missions
Midway Church of God of Prophecy located at 477 Palmer Road, Midway, cordially invite the public to come to fellowship on Annual World Mission Month and help support missionaries in the country of Nigeria, Africa. World Mission program begins Sunday, March 3, at 3 p.m. with the Rev. Paul Holmes. Saturday, March 16, at 6 p.m. St. John P. B. Church, Elder MacArthur. March 24, at 3 p.m., St. Paul AME Church, the Rev. Shirleen Thomas. For information contact: Pastor Darryl Forbes at 443-7338 or chairperson, Bessie Peeples, at 576-8248.
Appreciating the sweet at heart
Mt. Hosea M.B. Church 1212 Mt. Hosea Road, Quincy, FL will host "An Appreciation Program for Sis. Jackie Holloman". She is sweet at heart. We welcome everybody to come out and enjoy this great event. Let's get excited and mark your calendars to be a part of this great program at 4 p.m. March 10. The pastor is the Rev. Eddie York, and guest speaker will be Rev. Johnny Gordon. The program is sponsored by The Hope for Women Organization, Sis. Mary Gordon, and Geraldine Washington.
Invitation to Morning Jubilee Service
Greater Faith Temple, COGIC, invites you to their Jubilee Service, Sunday, March 10, 2013 at 11:00 at their new Worship Center on Havana Hwy (Hwy 12 West). Sunday School 10am; Bible Study on Wednesday 6pm. Elder Jimmy L. Salters is pastor.
For additional Information contact Sister Rachel L. Nicholson at 850/590-6049.
You are cordially invited to St. Joseph Missionary Baptist Church, Rev. Alvin Bush, Pastor, Rev. Dr. Frances L. Henry, Coordinator, for their "13th Annual Women's Conference"- Friday, March 1st, at 7:30 PM for Praise and Worship Services and Saturday, March 2nd, 9:00 AM – 3:00 PM. Theme: "The Walking Wounded: Stop Licking Your Wounds and Learn to Trust God." Please come out, learn, fellowship, and leave knowing that there is no wound that God can't heal. Lunch will be served.
If there are questions or a need for further information, please call 875-4089 or 627-2276.
Second Elizabeth M.B. Church, 2718 Attapulgus Hwy, Quincy, Florida, Rev. John L. Gardner, Sr., Pastor, and members would like to invite you to come celebrate our Second Elizabeth Male Chorus 3rd Anniversary on Sunday, March 3, 2013 at 3:00 pm. This will be a musical program, choirs, groups, praise dancers, soloist, you are welcome to share your talents and gifts with us on this great occasion. For further information please contact Deacon John Borden at 850-274-2308.
Ministry to host men's conference
Trust God Ministries, 16 W. Jefferson St., Quincy, will host its second annual Men's Conference – "Position for Progress."
Day 1 Location, Friday, March 1, 2013 - 7:30PM at Trust God Ministries
Day 2 Location, Saturday, March 2, 2013, 5:00PM, Simon Scott Building, 79 LaSalle Laffal Drive, Quincy, Florida 32351.
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Beckinfield – The Haunted Town Where the Audience Creates the Story
Residents of the fictional town of Beckinfield have a lot going on, what with all the ghosts and other supernatural intercessions that keep popping up.
But the townspeople are nowhere near as busy as some visitors to "Beckinfield," a website that presents an ongoing sci-fi series about the town in a format unlike any TV you've ever seen.
That's because the story is told entirely by means of first-person video diaries – in-character performances created by users and upload to the site.
The Beckinfield story unfolds continuously -- a kind of never-ending soap opera for the YouTube set. Every audience member's experience of the story is individualized, since one's view depends upon which characters one chooses to follow and watch. A weekly edit -- "previously on Beckinfield" -- provides a summary of story highlights. The site's tagging and trending tools also help guide the user experience.
Suffice it to say: the Beckinfield user is an engaged user -- whether choosing to perform or just watch.
The performers of course are all unpaid. Some are aspiring actors; others are amateurs from all around the world. More than 4,000 of them have registered since Beckinfield's "soft" launch at the SXSW conference in March, 201l. 10% are actively uploading content on a regular basis.
New members are presented with an online form, just like any social network sign-up process – but in doing so, they create their character. Once a user starts uploading video clips, they receive a weekly newsletter -- a sort of serialized story Bible. Actors are encouraged to reflect plot points in their performances and to collaborate with other actors to create interrelated story threads.
"The show is written and plotted, but not scripted," says co-founder Bob Gebert, an actor, director and writer who evolved the idea while helping fellow actors promote themselves using YouTube.
"Just like reality television," he said, somewhat sheepishly.
Or a cross between Desperate Housewives and Dungeons and Dragons, as one Beckinfield actor put it.
A more relevant precursor is the 2006 YouTube hit "Lonely Girl 15," which initially seemed to be the webcam confessions of troubled teens, but turned out to be professional actors playing roles with improvisational brio. LG15 was groundbreaking, not only because of the mass trick that its creators played on viewers, but because the then-new YouTube platform enabled viewers to upload their own video reactions, creating a crazy-quilt structure for the experience of the story.
While YouTube itself was becoming the venue of choice for a new class of entrepreneurial performers, many L.A. actors saw online video as a means to get noticed within the industry -- a low-budget "American Idol" for actors.
So Gebert began coaching actors to create improvisational monologues to showcase their talent, a process, which had evolved into a web site where 25 actors created characters -- all situated in a fictional town.
"It ran for about five weeks," said Gebert, "but there was no plot, so the whole thing just fell apart…. I learned that you need an ongoing story."
Gebert pitched the idea to Tracy Evans and Biff Van Cleve, interactive producers from Houston, where Gebert had run an improv-based dinner theatre. The three co-founded Theatrics in 2010 to develop the underlying platform and support the storytelling being showcased with the Beckinfield story, which Gebert writes.
Theatrics has raised $1.4 million of seed funding to develop the site, most of it from investors in Houston whose previous experience has been in the oil business -- certainly a rarity in the go-go world of Internet start-ups.
In January they stormed San Francisco's MacWorld/iWorld, where they turned the stage into yet another scene set in the town of Beckinfield, the finale to an in-story competition to cast a local production of the "Legend of Beckinfield."
An actor named Michael Town, playing a character named Farmer Roger Teddy was the winner of the "ultimate online audition", a prize worth $10,000 and the chance to star in a play being produced inside Beckinfield. Very Pirandello!
The MacWorld gig provided exposed the company to the Bay Area's tech community, and netted coverage by Mashable and some meetings with new investors, according to Gebert.
It will be fascinating to see if there's an appetite among tech investors for a story-centered platform like Theatrics, which has dubbed its concept "mass participation television."
Theatrics' blend of user-generated content, Hollywood visibility, social networking, and guided story structure is quite unique, raising a lot of fascinating questions as story forms continue to evolve. For instance:
Could such a platform be used as a transmedia companion for conventional television series, creating a kind of video-based fan fiction? I can imagine this for the adventurous network or cable show-runner (and, I can also imagine the meeting with the network lawyers).
- Is Theatrics a social network for actors or a consumer viewing platform? Ideally, both, of course, but clearly to date, the tilt has been to create "an intimate experience for actors, a dream stage for them," as Gebert puts it. Theatrics has invested in "backstage" tools to attract and support actors, who, after all, are creating the content. The next challenge is to attract a viewing audience to the story these actors (and the site team) are co-creating. It may well be that the audience appeal of role-playing games and virtual worlds will trump the conventional divide between audience and creators.
- Will this story-driven viewing experience scale? Social websites like Facebook and YouTube are built on the 80:20 rule, e.g., they attract vastly more members to consume the content produced by a small minority of "super producers," as a recent Pew study noted.
- What about curation? I suspect that audience growth will be capped unless the site embraces some form of user-generated curation, enriching the story container for the view-only visitor and the more active participant alike. The web is aflame with different tools that allow users to edit, curate, and shape the presentation of content--- a natural consequence of the proliferation of content. Of course, curation can also lead to the "hot chicks" problem -- telling a story based entirely upon, shall we say, non-story elements.
- Finally, is the co-creation movement trending up or flattening? What started as an academic analysis of the customer-created value in business, we are now seeing considerable heat applied to the co-creation paradigm in all sorts of business. The question is how long it will take to attract and retain an audience to these new forms of collaborative, participatory storytelling. (As with this site by transmedia innovator Scott Walker.)
Go ahead: Test drive Beckinfield and see what you think. If you have the time and inclination, create your own character and see what happens. (I thought I would , but I chickened out).


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Thunderbirds sweep five
The Decatur Thunderbirds played in the second annual Don Osborn Willshire 10 and Under tournament this past weekend and swept all five games they played for the championship title.
In pool play games, the T-Birds blanked Patrick Henry of Ohio 9-0 on Friday, and on Saturday knocked off Rockford, Ohio 7-5 and Van Wert, Ohio 18-0. In the elimination round Saturday, Decatur fashioned a big 19-1 triumph over Van Wert and then whipped Patrick Henry again by a 12-2 count in the championship encounter.
The Thunderbirds tallied 65 runs in 21 innings in the tournament while blasting 60 hits. Their pitching was equally tough allowing only eight runs in 24 innings by their foes and they struck out 51 while issuing only 13 free passes. Cam Voglewede and Corey Miller both won two games while Kevin Brown picked up one victory. Brevin Slusher had two saves, Nick Teeple had two saves, and Noah Macklin earned one save.
Hitting stats for the Thunderbirds found Brown with eight hits including two doubles and two triples, Ethan Corral with seven hits including two triples, Payton Boyd with seven hits, Teeple with five hits, Voglewede with six hits including a triple and two ground-rule doubles, Slusher belted 10 hits with a double, Macklin doubled and tripled among his four hits, Jon Ruble stroked two doubled among five hits, Colin Mills had two hits, Miller belted five hits including two doubles and Aaron Lehrman had one hit.
Boyd and Voglewede were selected to the All-Tourney team.
The Thunderbirds are now 16-1 in the three tournaments they have played in this summer and will be back in action this coming weekend at Van Wert in the Don Bachman Classic.


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Orville Fulbright died September 24, 2012
Orville Hubert Fullbright of Quitman died September 24, 2012, at the Baptist Health Medical Center in Heber Springs. Born in Mobeetie, Texas, on February 8, 1921, he was 91. He was the son of the late Ralph and Myrtle (Files) Fullbright.
He is survived by his wife, Malolah Ruth (Pipkin) Fullbright; two daughters, Orlene Martin of Quitman and Cloetta Kay Shotts of Stamford, Texas; one brother, Wilbur Fullbright of Katy, Texas; two sisters, Edna Scroggs of Tulsa, Okla., and Ethel Depew of Perryton, Texas; eight grandchildren; 15 great-grandchildren; and one great-great-grandchild. He is also survived by other relatives and his many friends.
Funeral services will be held September 28 at 11 a.m. in the Olmstead Chapel with Roland Depew officiating. Interment will follow in the Quitman Cemetery.


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Martin Bromirski
i am in Istanbul until 9/7th... gonna leave these up for a while. sorry my blog got so boring!
These new pieces are FANTASTIC.
These are the ugliest fucking paintings I have ever seen.(not in a good way)
I know you won't publish this because your probably vain.
i like the paintings a lot
Greetings from West Yorkshire - in the UK. I really like this work Martin and hope to see some one day when it comes to Britain.


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Dragonfields was a fantasy fanzine by Charles de Lint and Charles Saunders.
Dragonfields was published in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, by Triskell Press. Four issues appeared, although not always under that title.
The first issue was published in Spring 1978, called Dragonbane, and edited by Charles Saunders. In the autumn of that year issue two followed, edited by de Lint, this time with the title Beyond the Fields We Know. The titles were then merged as Dragonfields for two more issue; issue three, which was released in Summer 1980, and issue four, appearing in Winter 1983.
Contributors of fiction included Caradoc A. Cador, Adrian Chadwick, Galad Elflandsson, Tanith Lee, Richard K. Lyon, David Madison, Albert J. Manachino, Ardath Mayhar, Andrew Offut, Diana L. Paxson, Georgie Schnobrich, Darrell Schweitzer, and Thomas Burnett Swann.
Contributors of non fiction included Don Herron, Michael Moorcock (A Fanzine Called Eustace), Charles Saunders, and Karl Edward Wagner.
Poetry was by Joy Chant, Michael Danagher, Thomas M. Egan, Joey Froehlich, Dwight E. Humphries, David Madison, Diana L. Paxson, Stephanie Stearns, Sharrie n'ha Verana, Wendelessen, Robin Williamson.
Also included was a reprint of the poem, "The Sands of the Desert" by Robert E. Howard.
Covers were by Donna Gordon. Illustrators included Barry Blair, Liz Danforth, Dan Day, Rudi Frank, Donna Gordon, C. Lee Healy, Georgie Schnobrich, Dave Sim, Heather Webster, and Wallace Wood, among others.
Charles R. Saunders also published the fantasy fanzine Stardock.


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Somalia: Black Hawk Down
Aired October 28, 2001 - 19:00 ET
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know what the other guys were thinking, but I was kind of thinking well, you know, we're pretty much invincible.
SHAWN NELSON, ARMY RANGER: Up until October 3 and 4, every mission we did, went exactly the way it was supposed to go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then when our helicopter came in; we immediately started taking fire from the ground.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 61 going down -- we got a blackhawk going down. We got a blackhawk crashed.
WILLOW BAY, HOST: Welcome to CNN PRESENTS. I'm Willow Bay. The images of special ops forces parachuting from planes in the dead of night ushered in a new phase in the war against Osama Bin Laden and Afghanistan's ruling Taliban. But a few moments captured on tape cannot begin to convey just how deadly and how unpredictable special operations are.
In this hour, we'll take a look at America's elite warriors and a look back at a chilling battle eight years ago in Somalia. This documentary, "Black Hawk Down," is based on the best selling book by journalist Mark Bowden, who will join us for a conversation at the end of the program. But first, let me introduce another guest, retired general David Grange. He is a former member of the Special Forces.
General, welcome. Help us if you can to put this story in perspective. Why is it useful to revisit this mission in Somalia now?
GENERAL DAVID GRANGE (RET.), U.S. ARMY: The Battle of Mogadishu is a powerful reminder to the national leadership, to the American people. Now, once you commit the Armed Forces of the United States into harm's way, they expect to be resourced for success and they expect political resolve. They expect the will of the American people to follow through to the completion of the mission regardless of how difficult it may be.
BAY: What do we need to know about these sources and their missions? GRANGE: You have to understand the character that makes up these troopers. I mean they're tough. They're dedicated. They're loyal to their commanders. They're loyal to the United States of America. They're loyal to each other and they expect to go into win. They don't expect to be sent on an operation that the country is not serious about, where their lives would be wasted. They want to win. They want to accomplish their task.
BAY: General, thank you. We'll continue our conversation later in this hour. But first, CNN PRESENTS: BLACK HAWK DOWN.
GEORGE BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're able to ease suffering. We must help them live. We must give them hope. America must act.
BRUCE GORDON, NARRATOR (voice-over): They came from the richest nations on earth to help one of the poorest. Somalia, an East African country of some six million, was being decimated by famine, civil war. Three hundred thousand people including a quarter of all children under the age of five were already dead with another one-and-a-half million, roughly a quarter of the population at risk. For as long as it took to feed the starving, might would make right.
BUSH: We come to your country for one reason only -- to enable the starving to be fed.
GORDON: Throughout 1991 and '92, relief groups had tried to help, but where factional fighting hadn't stopped the flow of food, bandits had. Somalis were dying at an estimated rate of 1,000 per day. Some relief workers were murdered. Cargo ships were shelled in port. Trucks were hijacked on the road.
ROBERT OAKLEY, FORMER SPECIAL ENVOY TO SOMALIA: From my point- of-view, I felt very strongly that the United States should not become the godfather of Somalia.
GORDON: Robert Oakley was one to know. The U.S. Ambassador to Somalia in the 1980's, he had learned firsthand the risks of attempting to solve other people's conflicts first as a diplomat in Vietnam and later in Lebanon where U.S. Marines incanted Ground Zero in a seven-year-old civil war, were killed by a truck bomber as they slept.
In 1992, President Bush asked him to become special envoy to Somalia.
GORDON (voice-over): D-Day in Normandy it wasn't: 1,800 U.S. Marines and Navy SEALS stormed the beaches in Somalia and are confronted by legions of reporters and press photographers. If it seemed comical, the Marines weren't laughing.
MALE U.S. MARINE: Put that down and keep your hands on your head.
MALE U.S. MARINE: Put your hands on your head.
GORDON: They knew that beneath the outward calm, Mogadishu could be deadly dangerous: a place where everyone it seemed had a gun. As they began daily patrols, envoy Robert Oakley began daily meetings with clan leaders -- especially this Somalia, General Mohamed Farrah Aidid, who had originally opposed the intervention. An ambassador in the Barre regime he helped overthrow, Aidid was a charismatic and mercurial leader of the clan that controlled south Mogadishu, a man whose unpredictability was of grave concern to the U.S. and U.N.
OAKLEY: We treated Aidid, as I say, as a man with a tremendous amount of power, for better or for worse. Sort of like a vial of nitroglycerine, he could go off on you. So we didn't want him to explode. And we worked very, very hard to figure out his moods and to deal with him appropriately.
GORDON: For Oakley, the key was communication.
OAKLEY: And so we were working constantly with Somalis to reduce suspicions and to make them understand we were there to help them, not to hurt them.
GORDON: And the U.S. intervention did help. It was such a success that when Bush visited at Christmastime, he was perceived like the nation's savior.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: ... the office of president of the United States...
GORDON: Just weeks later, Bill Clinton was president. He had criticized Bush in the campaign for failing to work more closely with the U.N. in solving global conflicts. An expanded commitment to Somalia seemed certain.
Secretary of State Warren Christopher, National Security Adviser Tony Lake and U.N. Ambassador Madeleine Albright -- she's now secretary of state -- supported the passage of U.N. resolution 814, expanding the mandate of U.N. involvement in Somalia.
OAKLEY: Everyone's enthusiasm got the better of their common sense.
RET. ADMIRAL JONATHAN HOWE, FORMER DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: They were going for a longer-term, more lasting kind of solution.
GORDON: Admiral Jonathan Howe had recently retired after 35 years of military service to become President Bush's deputy national security adviser. When Clinton took over and with the relief effort going well, the new president nominated Howe to administer the U.N. nation-building effort in Somalia. U.S. forces would later step aside that spring and be replaced by U.N.troops, with Howe effectively taking over Bob Oakley's job as head peacekeeper.
HOWE: And after I got there, I realized how very large the odds were that we would be able to do the job that we were sent to do.
OAKLEY: As the United Nations' political effort evolved, it became more and more hostile toward Aidid because they were suspicious of Aidid. Aidid therefore became even more suspicious of the United Nations.
HOWE: And I think he liked his situation like it was, not as the U.N. in a fair kind of representative recovery would have made it possible.
GORDON: The transition of power was completed on May 4th as the U.S.-led force marched into history, replaced by a poorly equipped brigade of 4,000 Pakistanis.
OAKLEY: In this case the United States did not have any fighting troops in the U.N. force. We had what was called a "quick-reaction force" that was under U.S. command the whole way.
GORDON: But the quick reaction force was soon drawn into conflict, blasting Aidid's weapons' dumps. The escalation began after June 5th when Somalis killed 25 Pakistani soldiers flying the U.N. flag. They had been inspecting the weapons depot, but the crowd accused them of trying to shut down Aidid's radio station next door.
Some of the corpses were dismembered and flayed. The U.N. decided to go after Aidid.
HOWE: Well, first of all, we got a very strong resolution from the Security Council on June 6th, which essentially said arrest the perpetrators, get rid of the illegal arms in Mogadishu and stop the vitriolic propaganda that is coming out of the radio station, which happens to be Aidid's radio station.
In addition, it asked for armor and other equipment to be provided, since clearly the U.N. faced a new and difficult situation.
GORDON: Admiral Howe also pressed Washington for another kind of weapon, one that could arrest those responsible with minimum casualties on both sides.
That special unit was the Army's Delta Force, the secret counterterrorism troops that grabbed Manuel Noriega in the 1989 invasion of Panama. Delta's three 130-man squadrons are the best- trained and fittest soldiers in the Army, specializing in getting into and out of dangerous places quickly.
In the Gulf War, they had destroyed strategic targets hundreds of miles inside Iraq.
Admiral Howe wanted them to snatch Aidid off the streets of Mogadishu to face charges in the ambush of the Pakistanis, essentially removing him from the political picture. But Joint Chief's Chairman Colin Powell denied Howe's request for the Delta force. Even though Delta commanders felt Aidid would be a fairly easy target, Powell did not want elite U.S. troops involved in an obscure country's civil war halfway around the world.
But the U.S. was hardly absent. Throughout June, U.N. forces led by U.S. helicopters continued their attacks on weapons depots. Aidid's forces struck back, shooting U.S., Pakistani, French and Italian troops, and massacring Somali civilians working for the U.N.
CLINTON: We cannot have a situation where one of these war lords, while everybody else is cooperating, decides that he can go out and slaughter 20 peacekeepers.
GORDON: A military response seemed certain.
Abdi Hassan Awale was Aidid's minister of internal affairs. On July 12th, CIA operatives believed that more attacks were being planned at his office. If the intelligence was correct, an attack could wipe out many of the general's top lieutenants.
HOWE: So the whole idea of this particular raid was to destroy, disrupt -- at least for a time -- the command-and-control mechanism that was causing these attacks against us.
GORDON: The U.S., acting alone, launched a missile attack.
ABDI HASSAN AWALE, FORMER MINISTER OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR MOHAMED FARRAH AIDID (through translator): The first shell came from behind me, above the window. I saw it hit a group of people who were sitting on the floor. Then I passed out and recovered 25 minutes later.
The first thing I saw when I opened my eyes was broken limbs and amputated parts of the body. I got injuries like this one here. I am now deaf in this ear.
ABDULLAHI OSSOBLE BARRE, FORMER MINISTER OF JUSTICE FOR MOHAMED FARRAH AIDID (through translator): Some people died instant. Some were injured. When the bombs made holes in the walls, some people mistook them for the doorways and fell to the ground from the second floor.
The Red Cross says more than 70 people died in the attack. Admiral Howe puts the number closer to 20.
Regardless, the building has been in ruins ever since. And on that July afternoon in 1993, so were the prospects of compromise. It was later learned that Aidid's leaders had actually convened not to plan more acts of war, but to consider other ways to resolve the confrontation.
OAKLEY: The minute I heard about it, I said this is a disasters. The result was that all these people, whether they had been moderates or liberals or radicals before the meeting, all became radicals when it was over. SOMALI FEMALE: We are all ready to die for our country.
OAKLEY: Wasn't the kind of nation building had in mind. By that time, the nation building had essentially gone to the background and the battle for Mogadishu had begun.
HOWE: It was successful and unsuccessful. It was executed very well militarily. Politically it was not very successful.
OAKLEY: As the summer went on and this sort of tit for tat, although we were killing a lot more Somalis than they were Americans, nevertheless Americans were being killed. So the decision was made something bigger has to be done. So we'll send out Task Force Ranger.
GORDON: After four more American soldiers were killed in Mogadishu in August by a remote-controlled mine, General Powell relented, recommending the dispatch of the elite Army Rangers, including Delta Force commandos.
SIZEMORE: The Rangers weren't there to feed. We had a totally different mission in mind when we went there.
NELSON: It was pretty clear-cut from my point of view what we were there to do it was pretty clear-cut.
Shawn Nelson and Dale Sizemore were among the 150 men of Bravo Company, the 75th Ranger regiment out of Fort Benning. The Rangers, average age 19, had just finished training in the U.S. with the more experienced Delta commandos, on average 10 years older.
The Rangers had gotten into the act because Aidid now knew he was a marked man and grabbing him or destroying his ability to make trouble would require more than the small Delta unite envisioned two months earlier.
So the entire 130-man Delta C squadron along with the Rangers and an elite air unit called the Nightstalkers had been airlifted to the base in Mogadishu.
The mission? Chopper into wherever Aidid was hiding, fast rope to the building, burst inside commando-style, and then hustle Aidid and his top lieutenants onto waiting trucks that had arrived on the scene: quite different from what the Pentagon was telling the world, that the Rangers role was limited, that Aidid would not be a specific target.
The Rangers, of course, knew better.
GOODALE: There was even actually a book with photographs of that warlord and all of his top aides.
HOWE: Our strategy was much broader. It didn't depend on arresting Aidid. But we all felt, if we could, this would be a shortcut to a quick resolution of these tensions and we can get on with what we came here to do.
GORDON (voice-over): The target is a three-story building in the heart of Aidid's neighborhood, across from the Olympic Hotel. Several of Aidid's top lieutenants are supposedly inside.
3:42 in the afternoon. Delta commandos who have choppered in take positions along the outside wall as someone from inside the target building steps out onto the roof to see what's going on. Moments later, the Blackhawks pass overhead, preparing to offload the Rangers.
GOODALE: As we were sliding down the ropes, we could hear bullets snapping by, and I kind of thought then that was kind of weird because before for the other missions we had been shot at but it took awhile for that to start up once the Somalis realize, oh, yes, they're over there.
Abdulkarim Gelle owned the target house.
ABDULKARIM GELLE, OWNED TARGET HOUSE: They came from everywhere. They were breaking the windows, the doors. And as soon as I heard the noise, I came out and realized they were American soldiers. I tried to tell them we all were civilians. No militia or military men in here, but they started shooting anyway.
STEVE: You always expect someone's going to shoot at you or be in that room.
GORDON: Call him Steve, an eight-year Delta Force veteran who insisted on being interviewed in silhouette. He was among the first troops into the target site.
STEVE: So at that point, I moved my team upstairs. We cleared a low roof, and they moved -- the team moving up the stairs and started clearing rooms up on the top floor.
GORDON: Two blocks away, the convoy waits for word to move in after the commandos take their prisoners. The Rangers crouch for cover outside the target building, keeping Somalis at a distance.
Up in the command helicopter, high above the convoy, a Delta commander keeps things moving.
COMMAND CHOPPER: Roger, I want to get everybody loaded and out of there ASAP.
Advise me if you need to use the roof.
GORDON: 40 seconds later, disaster. The Blackhawk, piloted by Cliff Walcott (ph) -- code name, 61 -- gets hit by a rocket-propelled grenade, disabling the rear rotor.
BLACKHAWK 61: ... 61 going down. We got a Blackhawk going down. We got a Blackhawk going down.
BLACKHAWK 61: We got a Blackhawk crashed in the city.
BLACKHAWK 62: He took an RPG.
BLACKHAWK 62: Copy, we got one injured.
SAYID SIRAAT BARRE, WITNESSED CHOPPER CRASH (through translator): There was a big explosion after an RPG hit it.
NELSON: Then the helicopter really slowly started to rotate upside-down.
BARRE (through translator): It hit the tail and the helicopter turned and immediately fell down.
NELSON: I remember hearing this -- this horrendous crashing.
COMMAND CHOPPER: We got a bird down, northeast of the target. I need you to move on out to secure that location.
NELSON: I knew I had to get there. At any cost, I just had to get to that helicopter and get those guys out of there.
STEVE: What you need to do is move fast: basically move like your hair is on fire from position to position.
GORDON: Somalis ignite a tire as a signal. This is where the action is, as both Somalis and U.S. troops race for the crash site.
ASSAULT CHOPPER: The ground forces are coming in now and trying to secure their own position. Have many survivors climbing out of the wreckage right now.
STEVE: ... approaching the alley, and I looked to the right and saw the helicopter. I could see it upside down. I was looking at the tail basically upside down. And the nose looked like it was still impacted on a brick wall.
BARRE (through translator): Soon the soldiers arrived, and when they did, we surrounded them.
ASSAULT CHOPPER: There is a large group moving toward them from southeast along the North-South road.
ALI SHEIK HASSAN, AIDID MILITIA: They had helicopters, good training, good organization. But the minute we saw one of their helicopters came down, we became confident that we could defend ourselves.
GOODALE: You know, all this dust starts getting kicked up around our feet. And I started thinking to myself, what in hell -- what is all this going on?
And I thought, wait a minute, he is shooting at us. Oh God. All of a sudden, we saw this AK-47. And all three of us just unloaded on this guy, and it was really frightening for me because it's not something that -- it's not something you do. You don't shoot people. Wow, I've actually killed a person.
NELSON: And I remember hearing rounds hit the building behind me and kind of tear against the building and continue on past.
STEVE: A street is a kill zone. It basically channels the enemy's bullets and funnels them down a one-way corridor.
GOODALE: And then all of a sudden my leg just seized up, and I started falling backwards.
GORDON: As attack choppers provide cover, Goodale is pulled to a nearby building where his buddies give him first aid and he first shows the sense of humor that would make him legendary in the firefight.
GOODALE: Actually, as it turns out, I did get shot in the leg. But the first place I felt the pain was in my left butt cheek. So I, of course, had to make some jokes about getting shot in the butt.
GORDON: Goodale was the jokester in a 15-man unit assigned to this Blackhawk chopper, codenamed Super 64, piloted by Mike Durant. With Blackhawk 61 now crashed, Blackhawk 64, which had been orbiting over the desert after the Rangers roped in, joined smaller attack choppers called AH-6, "Little Birds," that are swooping down on attacking Somalis, their miniguns firing 6,000 rounds per minute. Somalis fire back.
MALE ON BLACKHAWK 62: 62 is taking fairly regular RPG fire, and they're all close.
GORDON: Minutes later, during a gun run over the crash site, a Somali RPG -- rocket propelled grenade -- slams into the Blackhawk 64's tale rotor.
COMMANDER CHOPPER: 64, you OK?
BLACKHAWK 64: Going in hard, going down. Ray!
COMMAND CHOPPER: We just lost another Blackhawk. We are taking a lot of RPG fire. We lost it south of the Olympic Hotel, south of National.
YUSEF TAHIR MOLEEN (ph), FORMER AIDID MILITIA COMMANDER (through translator): As soon as we saw the aircraft coming down, we ran toward the crash site and cordoned it off.
GORDON: Yusef Tahir Moleen commanded a small group of Aidid militia man.
MOLEEN (through translator): People started to arrive from all directions. They all knew they were some survivors in the aircraft. Those survivors started shooting at people. So we told people to stay away from the plane as far as possible.
GORDON (voice-over): So now there are two battlefields. Up at Crash Ste One, Delta Steve and his team set up a line of fire.
"STEVE": So I would basically just shoot rounds real slow, accurate. About two blocks up, I would have people that would try and run across the street, "darters" what I would call them and they would be spraying across the street with weapons. And I would shoot at them. A lot of times you don't know if you hit them or not because they'll run out of view. And if you hit them, they'll probably die somewhere out of view but you don't get that -- it's not like in the movies -- the people just drop.
COMMAND CHOPPER: We are going to try to get everyone consolidated at the northern site and then move to the southern site. We can use more ground transportation if you get it out here. Over.
GORDON: Ground transportation, the commander wants Humvees, Jeeps and 5-ton trucks to move out from base and head for Crash Site No. 2.
COMMAND CHOPPER: To the best of my knowledge, those vehicles have not departed base yet. We're trying to get them to you. They're coming up on the southern crash site and then they're coming to your location. I would estimate it's probably at least 30 minutes before they're going to meet you, over.
ASSAULT CHOPPER: Roger.
GORDON: Meanwhile, the convoy of vehicles from the target site still hasn't gotten to Crash Site No. 1. Even with aerial guidance, the narrow streets are just too confusing.
ASSAULT CHOPPER: Take position on the right, the next right. Roger, next right, next right. Other way, other way. Turn right. They just missed their turn. Roger. Take the next available right.
GORDON: The situation is getting worse. The commander needs those reinforcements fast.
COMMAND CHOPPER: I say again, I have urgent causalities at the northern crash site. I need to get that ground reaction force up there ASAP. I have people still alive in the wreckage at the southern crashj site. I need a ground reaction force, one to go straight to the northern site and one to go straight to the southern site. See if you can make that happen, over.
GORDON: Back at base, Dale Sizemore heeds the call. He'd been ordered to stay behind because his arm was in a cast, but now jumps aboard a convoy of humvees headed for crash site number two. They are pounded by enemy fire.
SIZEMORE: It was war, us against them. Our survival against theirs. And if it was up to us, then it was going to be ours.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At this traffic circle they run into the convoy that's given up trying to get to crash site number one and begin battling their way back to base. Sizemore's friend, Casey Joyce (ph) is one of the casualties.
SIZEMORE: His eyes were wide open and his mouth was open like he was screaming, but he had already died.
GORDON: A medic then ushers Sizemore over behind a MASH tent.
SIZEMORE: He pulled the tarp back and he asked me-he said is that Kowalewski. And I looked down and I couldn't see anything because he had been shot with an RPG, and it went in one side and it just stopped right here where the head of the RPG was sticking out this side of his chest and the fins were sticking out on this side. It looked like Kowalewski, but I just -- I couldn't believe that that was him, you know, lying there.
GORDON: Back at crash site number two, where they are shielded by the wreckage pilot Mike Durant, his leg broken in the crash and three others fight off hundreds of Somalis firing at them from behind walls and trees. For more than an hour their machine guns keep attackers at bay.
ABDULLAH HASAN FIRIMBI, AIDID CLAN ELDER: Here these men fought bravely. They were told to surrender. They refused.
GORDON: Two of those men are Delta Commandos Randy Schugart (ph) and Gary Gordon (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't surrender, you don't give up. If you look at Randy and Gordy, they didn't do that, either one of those. They fought to the end.
GORDON: For them the end comes after deafening two-minute barrage of fire directed at the chopper. In the silence that follows, Durant knows that the other Americans are dead. Out of bullets, he lays down his weapon, holds his hands across his chest and waits for death at the hands of an onrushing mob of furious Somalis.
Usef Moline (ph) finds Durant leaning against this tree. Recognizing that Durant is more valuable alive than dead, he struggles to remove Durant while the crowd and its wrath is diverted.
USEF MOLINE: There were some dead Americans at the crash site, bodies. So instead of running toward Michael Durant, people rushed into the aircraft itself and this deferred most of the angry mob.
ABDIAZIZ ABDIKADIR, AIDID MILITIAMAN: I kill (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for one reason, to defend our (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and national interest. We don't kill captured soldiers, but the ones that kill (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and that figure comes out of them, which is why they would drag you through the street. They prove that among themselves.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Before October 3, the people in that neighborhood were subjected to severe punishment from the American forces. The houses were destroyed by helicopters. Their property was completely destroyed by helicopters. And on this day those angry men and women were trying to destroy whatever they saw of the Americans. So Americans were killed and their bodies dragged through the town, and that was very unfortunate.
GORDON: While crowds begin to mill around the wreckage Moline and his friends carry Durant from the crash site to deliver him to Aidid (ph) clan leaders. Half a mile away the battle still rages.
NELSON: That night seemed to literally be a week long.
AHMED JAMAH: It seemed like a month.
GORDON: Like many Somalis we interviewed, Ahmed Jamah fears an American reprisal, and did not want his face shown.
JAMAH: I have never seen a body like that. Not even in all the Somalian wars that I have been through.
NELSON: And I remember it seemed like several hours where the Little Bird pilots -- the AH-6 pilots were making just gun run after gun run after gun run. And it literally seemed to be raining spent machine gun cartridges and machine gun links down on our position.
ASSAULT CHOPPER: About three RPGs off that corner behind us. If you tuck it in tight or lay back about halfway, maybe you'll pick that sucker out and we'll bust him.
"STEVE": They were bringing the people on trucks and they'd have certain intersections where they'd get their people organized so to speak, like assembly areas, if you could call them that. And they would (UNINTELLIGIBLE) prepare to come down to attack us. Well, they'd just start to come down and a helicopter would come in and just rake them with machine gun fire and kill probably 20, 30, 40 people at a time. They basically put them in a meat grinder, and we kept turning the handle.
GOODALE: I said hey, you know, when is this relief convoy supposed to get here? He said, they'll be here at 8:00. I said OK, no problem, 8:00. 8:00 rolls by and nobody. And then maybe 8:30. And finally I said hey, you know, are they getting here? Yeah, they're having some trouble rounding up some more vehicles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clearly this hadn't been rehearsed and practiced and with language difficulties and all kinds of problems. And it took a little while to get this well organized so that going into a very dangerous area in the middle of the night would not turn out to be another disaster on top of the first one.
RANGER COMMAND: We're taking heavy small arms fire. We need relief now!
COMMAND CHOPPER: I understand you need to be extracted. I'm doing everything I can to get those vehicles to you, over.
RANGER COMMAND: Roger, understand. Be advised command element just hit. Have more casualties, over.
COMMAND CHOPPER: We gotta have that ground reaction force. I'm unable to see them anywhere on the ground. Can you give me status? We're running out of medical supplies and ammo.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a Somali saying: If you corner a cat it will kill you. So when they cornered us we had to defend ourselves and fight against them.
GORDON: Finally, at 11:00, soldiers like Phil Lepre begin moving from base in the rescue convoy.
PHIL LEPRE, ARMY RESCUE CONVOY: All I hear is bullets bouncing off the -- off the tank. Boom boom boom boom boom boom -- explosions all over the place. I'm like, where the hell am I going into? After I said a little prayer, took off my helmet, looked at my daughter's picture; I said, babe, I hope you have a wonderful life.
GORDON: Three hours later, at 2:00 a.m., they reached the crash sites. And the three block area where soldiers like Delta Steve and Mike Goodale are holed up. Goodale is promptly loaded into an armored personnel carrier, but the convoy does not leave because Pilot Wilcott's (ph) body had not been extricated from the wreckage.
LEPRE: We weren't going to leave no one behind. If it would have taken 12 hours to get his body out we would have got his body out that night. Because it's just like a creed. It's unwritten law that we will get your body out and we will bring you home.
GORDON: With the body finally recovered, the survivors get a rude shock.
"STEVE": They told us that basically we had to walk out on foot, that there was no room inside the vehicles. And again I thought, this is going to be fun. We've survived, you know, I don't know, what 10, 12 hours of firefight and now we're going to have to walk out and fight our way out on foot while all the other folks ride. I said well, not much more they can do to us here.
NELSON: I don't think I've ever run any faster in my life.
GORDON: It was a bullet-riddled mad dash up to the Pakistani sector that the troops would later call the Mogadishu mile.
NELSON: Every nook and cranny, every window and every doorway and building, home and hotel or structure we ran by we took fire from or were returning fire on combatants.
GORDON: Incredibly, only one soldier is injured, and notably there were no roadblocks. Aidid's minister of defense says that was deliberate.
AHMED OMAR JESS, AIDID'S MINISTER OF DEFENSE (through translator): This decision was taken to leave them alone, otherwise -- that was enough we thought, to show them that we can fight.
GORDON: At half past 6:00 the convoy reaches the safety of the Pakistani-controlled stadium, where morning sun reveals the horror.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then it kind of started sinking in that -- wow, you know, we've -- a lot of people are hurt. A lot of people are dead. I felt so alive because I was literally that close to death.
SIZEMORE: I look back to the side of the Jeep where I was mostly sitting all night, and it was just -- it looked like Swiss cheese. It was amazing to think that I never got shot.
GORDON: Eighteen Americans died in the firefight. Somalis: estimates run well over 1,000 wounded and 500 dead, many of them women and children.
SIZEMORE: The men were hiding behind women and shooting underneath their arms and it got to the point where you just have to shoot the woman and then shoot the man behind her. And it's, you know, a bad deal for her, but she was helping him. So in actuality it was her own fault. And there was -- I felt no remorse about any of it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kids would carry rocket propelled grenades, so it was a family affair. It's not like they were innocent civilians. We did what we needed to do to keep people away from our crash sites. If you're coming to a gunfight, you're wrong. There's only one reason to come to where people are shooting, and that's to fight. People don't come there to dance. So you treat them accordingly.
GOODALE: I know -- I guess it's unethical to shoot women and children but is it unethical when they're trying to kill you?
REP. CURT WELDON (R), PENNSYLVANIA: Enough is enough. We've done our part. We've fed the starving masses; we've stopped starvation and saved thousands of lives. It's time to bring our troops home.
GORDON: But simply pulling up and leaving would not be so simple.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a soldier, I have to do what I'm told.
GORDON: After Mike Durant was captured by Moalin and delivered to Firimbi he was kidnapped by bandits who demanded a ransom from Aidid for Durant's return. They got their mone, but not before making this video.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not a Ranger?
MIKE DURANT: No.
GORDON: Returned to the relative safety of the Aidid clan, he was guarded by Firimbi. FIRIMBI (through translator): The first night I met him, I was very angry, but I respected him out of our religion, our dignity. And later on, before he left, he became a sort of brother (UNINTELLIGIBLE). He even requested a Bible, and we got that for him.
GORDON: Jonathan Howe saw an opportunity in the aftermath.
HOWE: This was a devastating blow to the Aidid community. And in fact, the word that we got very shortly afterwards from that faction was, we've paid any debts we had to Aidid, we want peace; we're through with this; this has gone too far.
GORDON: Robert Oakley, still on the sidelines, was overcome when he heard about the firefight on the radio.
OAKLEY: I had the feeling of, what are we doing here? How have we mucked up so badly? How could this possibly have happened?
GORDON: Oakley was asked to come to the White HOuse by national Security Adviser Tony Lake and attend a strategy session with the president and his top advisers.
OAKLEY: At the end of it we came up with what I thought was a sensible approach, which was to gradually pull the Americans out, because it was quite clear to me that public and political opinion would not stand for our lingering in Somalia any more than they had for our lingering in Beirut after the Marine barracks was blown up.
DURANT: Innocent people being killed is not (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
GORDON: With marching orders to recover Durant, Oakley backed his bags for Mogadishu where, after five days, Ethiopian diplomats were able to arrange a meeting with Aidid staffers. And consistent with the seemingly the schizoid nature of all dealings with Aidid, the message of conciliation that had been sent to Admiral Howe was very different when Oakley demanded Durant's immediate release -- no strings attached.
OAKLEY: And they said, but we Somalis never do that. It's an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. We cannot do that. Look at all the blood that has been shed. Look at all the people that you are still holding.
I said, well, you've got to. And I said, let me be honest. If you don't -- this is not a threat -- but if you don't, I'll tell you what I think will happen. After some weeks, the United States will be very, very frustrated. You'll be asking for things. This will be seen as a hostage situation. And we'll say we won't give into hostages. And you'll say, but we have to have a price.
By the time the shooting is over, given the tanks and the aircraft carrier with aircraft and the gunships and everything else that's going to be here, there won't be anything left in south Mogadishu. Cats, dogs, goats, people, women, children, you name it -- everything is going to be gone because the amount of firepower is so great and the amount of hatred and anger behind it is so great. So don't create this sort of a situation. I beg of you.
GORDON: Twenty-four hours after Robert Oakley's ultimatum and against the advice of many in his clan, Aidid released Durant. The search for Aidid was over, and American troops would soon begin coming home.
Admiral Howe, virtually shut out of the decision-making, felt the Clinton administration's sudden turnabout was a big mistake.
HOWE: You know, we were at a point where that battle and the sacrifice made there perhaps could have been the catalyst that led to a situation.
GORDON: Attempts to talk Aidid into an agreement resumed, but Howe successors at the U.N. got predictable results.
HOWE: They would get very close, and think, gee, we're going to get another agreement. We're going to be able to sign. And then at the last minute, Aidid would pull out.
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LEPRE: We went into someone's backyard and tried to tell them what to do and how to do things. And they basically -- if we didn't have the firepower and training we had, you know, they would have kicked our butts.
GOODALE: I think everybody that was there, we wanted to get into it a little bit, but we didn't necessarily want exactly came out of it.
NELSON: I think we should have stayed committed and continued the mission and completed the mission instead of withdrawing the way we did.
OAKLEY: This is the warrior mentality. And once you get into a war, you want to win. And if you have your people killed, you want to win even more. You want to kill even more of the enemy.
Well, in this case, we killed -- I don't know -- a 1,000, maybe more Somalis that one day, the 3rd and 4th of October. And all and all, we killed 4,000, 5,000 or 6,000 Somalis. And so far as I was concerned, this had been the wrong course to take.
HOWE: We tried to work on the margins. And if you are going to be there and are going to be involved, you need to provide the muscle and the resources and the people to make something that you undertake successful. LEPRE: There were 18 American soldiers over there that died. For what?
HOWE: Most Somali people -- and I think this is one of the misunderstood things about the whole U.S. and U.N. effort, really appreciated what the U.S. and the United Nations and the countries that went in with us did for them.
SIZEMORE: Give them the food and let them deal with it. Don't put my friends at stake. Or me at stake.
We have got plenty of starving people in the United States, you know, that won't shoot at us when we're trying to do it. I wouldn't trade one American life for 10,000 Somalis.
It just wasn't worth it at all.
FIRIMBI (through translator): You can't blame the Somali people. Use force to try to make things the way you want them. Somails learned that they can govern themselves and they don't need anybody from the outside to lead or give them assistance.
LEPRE: There's not a day that goes by that I don't think of Somalis.
GORDON: Somalia still has no national government, and the clans continue their civil wars. The northern part of the country is recovering, but then it never saw the kind of strife that tore Mogadishu apart.
Washington's quest for blame led to Defense Secretary Les Aspin, who resigned in December 1993 amid second-guessing of his decision not to send heavy equipment, like the AC-130 gunship, to Somalia. He died of a stroke in 1995.
Mohamed Farrah Aidid died of a reported heart attack in August 1996 after being shot in Mogadishu. Army General William Garisson, who commanded Task Force Ranger, retired the very same day. Sources say he winks at the coincidence.
One week after the battle of Mogadishu, Bill Clinton ordered Navy ships to turn back from a peacekeeping mission in Haiti when an anti- American mob assembled on the docks of Port-au-Prince. And although U.S. forces would later keep the peace in Bosnia, they would be part of a NATO force numbering 60,000, troops that were not deployed until after the warring factions had committed themselves to the Dayton peace accords.
President Clinton was re-elected in a landslide 10 months later.
BAY: Coming up: more on America's elite special forces in Mogadishu, and now in Afghanistan. We'll hear from retired General David Grange, and author of "Black Hawk Down," Mark Bowden. Stay with us. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BAY: Joining us now from Philadelphia, the author of the bestselling book "Black Hawk Down," Mark Bowden, who writes "On the War," a weekly column for the "Philadelphia Enquirer."
And from Chicago once again, retired General David Grange, who served as a Ranger and Green Beret in his 30 years in the U.S. Army.
Gentlemen, welcome.
MARK BOWDEN, AUTHOR, "BLACK HAWK DOWN": Thank you; welcome.
BAY: Mark, I'd like to begin with you: What is the legacy of the battle of Mogadishu? What is the legacy of Somalia?
BOWDEN: Well, I think the most important thing to take from the account of this story is the tremendous courage and nobility of these young men who fought there way through this terrible battle -- really one of the worst firefights in modern American history -- and acquitted themselves with tremendous bravery and professionalism.
And I think that, as General Grange pointed out before the documentary, the other important lesson is to realize how dangerous and difficult their work is, and how serious we need to be as a country before we commit them into action like this.
BAY: General Grange, do you think the U.S. has absorbed the lessons learned in Somalia?
GRANGE: I believe so, having served, you know, for another, I guess it was seven, eight years after that battle, the senior leadership I came in contact with, I believe that they have learned. It doesn't mean mistakes can't be made again, but people understand, I believe.
And it's very important that these soldiers are a resource for success in the next missions. And it looks like, the last one that we just saw in Afghanistan, that that type of support was there.
BAY: Mark, you've said that you think that, in terms of the mission in Afghanistan, the tactics are the same, the people are the same in some cases, and the units are the same. SO what's different?
BOWDEN: Well, it's a different kind of way and, I think, probably a far more difficult one. Osama bin Laden's organization exists in dozens of countries, including our own. The action that we're seeing in Afghanistan is, of course -- it's a different kind of terrain. We're going up against, I think, far more seasoned fighters, if they encounter Taliban fighters when they go into places, which I'm certain that they will.
I think it's -- you know, it's a different ball game. And these men are professionals, and they'll design their tactics accordingly. But I think there's a measure of difficulty here higher than what they had in Somalia. BAY: I higher measure of difficulty.
So we have seen casualties so far in the use of Special Forces. Should Americans expect to see more?
BOWDEN: Unfortunately, yes. I think that we should expect that whenever we commit our troops or our forces into combat -- and I think what these raids amount to can amount to a serious combat -- that it ought to be with the expectation that some of our people are going to get killed. That's what makes it such a serious step, and it's one that, obviously, we should never take lightly.
BAY: A sobering reminder, indeed. General Grange, Mark Bowden, thank you very much for joining us.
BOWDEN: Thank you, Willow.
GRANGE: Thank you.
BAY: That's it for this edition of CNN PRESENTS. I'm Willow Bay, and thank you all for spending this hour with us.
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Second, according to the data compiled in the report, there's no going back to the good, old, pre-chemical days. No matter how many organic growers and consumers might wish otherwise, collective society has happily jumped aboard the herbicide train and is now destined to ride it to the end of the line.
The study, a comprehensive look at the history, value and current usage of herbicides in this country, was begun by NCFAP six months ago. It was commissioned by CropLife America (CLA), a trade organization representing farm chemical manufacturers.
The reason NCFAP undertook the report is that it's the first to go over, "the value of herbicide technology for American growers," says Leonard Gianessi, NCFAP senior research associate.
The study estimates the use of herbicides throughout the country. American growers, it turns out, annually use about 400 million pounds of herbicides on 200 million acres. Further, NCFAP estimates that growers spend nearly $7 billion for herbicides, application of herbicides and technology fees. All those pounds of chemicals are used to kill around 550 trillion weeds annually.
"We really wanted to answer some questions," says Gianessi. "What value do farmers get for herbicide expenditures? What value does society get from the use of these chemicals?"
In answering those questions, 40 crops in 48 states were studied. What researchers found was that herbicides have made "substantial, important contributions to the productivity of U.S. agriculture," says Gianessi. "There were substantial increases in yields from days prior to the use of herbicides and those after.
Taken for granted
"We feel that this contribution needs to be acknowledged – these chemicals are taken for granted. American growers use herbicides routinely and this study helps quantify some of the chemical's contributions."
For example, Gianessi says should U.S. growers stop using herbicides and instead substitute up to 7 million workers to hand remove weeds, they'd still lose 20 percent of their production. That equates to 300 billion pounds of food and fiber lost that's with 7 million more farm workers hand hoeing fields.
Herbicides are absolutely essential for maintenance of high yields in this country, argues Gianessi. "If we truly wanted to maintain current yields and do away with herbicides, 70 million additional hoe-toting farmhands would be patrolling fields.
"That would mean one of every four U.S. citizens chopping weeds for a month every year," says Gianessi. "There just isn't a future for a vast expansion of organic agriculture. Organic growers have gone back to hand weeding and are spending hundreds of hours to grow a crop. Much of that labor is unpaid and yield losses still occur."
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Focusing on benefits to a specific crop, Darren Coppock, CEO of the National Association of Wheat Growers says herbicides are incredibly important for wheat production. Coppock says there are four primary impacts we'd see if herbicides were removed from the production equation. n
"Weeds compete with wheat plants for water and space," says Coppock. "If weeds are out soaking up light and nutrients, then the wheat is going to suffer. n
"If weeds aren't controlled, weed seed can spread to neighboring property. n
"If we don't adequately control weeds, we can face severe quality discounts in the marketplace. Weeds like Canada thistle or jointed goat grass can lead to extensive discounting. n
"Weeds that aren't adequately controlled can harbor plant diseases or vectors that spread disease."
One of the things herbicides do for wheat growers is to allow greater flexibility in farming practices, says Coppock. Reduced tillage is one example. Tillage is effective in controlling weeds but can also lead to soil loss in wind or water erosion.
"Any time we pull a tillage implement across a field, the soil is dried down as far as the implement reaches. In a lot of wheat country, water is scarce anyway – especially in this six-year drought we're enduring in some areas – and conserving soil moisture is critical."
Coppock says producers need a broad variety of tools available to address production problems. Having herbicides available is critical – "but we need more than one product or mode of action for a target weed. If two compounds are available, they can be rotated and the life and market of both compounds will be extended."
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And the cost can be justified, he says: the dollars growers spend on herbicides generate additional bushels. Those additional bushels often mean the difference between profit and loss overall.
"Producing the quantity and quality of wheat that feeds our nation and many others wouldn't be possible without these products. In fact, in this study, the impact just in wheat would be $982 million if herbicides were removed from the market and yield losses of 25 percent resulted," says Coppock.
So what would the face of agriculture look like without herbicides? Would we still have farms encompassing thousands of acres?
"Many people have looked at this and believe more U.S. land would have to be brought into production," says Gianessi. "Land that is currently in woods, parks and estuaries would have to be farmed."
And here's where societal swings allowed herbicides to take root and hold fast. Gianessi says one of the reasons growers began using herbicides is a mass exodus of farm workers shortly after World War II. As those farmhands left, farmers had little choice but to employ herbicides in their place. As a result, yield losses weren't nearly at the levels they could have been.
What are the benefits of herbicides for Delta cotton farmers? Gianessi points to one of the study's charts referencing worker wage rates.
"For many years, wages were 10 cents per hour so cotton farmers were able to get 30 hours of weed pulling for $3 per acre," he says. "One of the really dramatic changes in U.S. agriculture is the wage rate increase. Now, getting hoe labor – because of minimum wage, social security and transportation – a farmer is looking at around $9 per hour.
Rice yields soared
"In crops like rice, we saw yield increases of 50 percent to 70 percent across the board. Without herbicides, we wouldn't have that production. About half the rice we produce in this country is only possible because herbicides were introduced. You could argue that without herbicides, we wouldn't be growing 22 billion pounds of rice here but half that," says Gianessi.
Another point repeatedly made by the men is that increasingly popular no-till production practices wouldn't be possible without herbicides. No-till is feasible only because growers can kill weeds before planting.
"If farmers give up no-tilling, there would be 300 billion pounds of soil erosion – erosion that isn't happening now because of herbicide use," says Gianessi.
Sometimes things play out just right. In this vein, CropLifeAmerica President Jay Vroom cites a story in the April 21, Los Angeles Times reporting that California labor unions want lawmakers to ban farm workers from pulling weeds by hand.
"They claim it causes back injuries and propose that more chemicals and special tools be employed. It may be serendipity that the timing of that story comes out the same week we unveil this study."
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Monday, January 9, 2012
Weekend at Grumpy's
19 comments:
I wouldn't have called on a weekend but maybe he let his meds run out and he didn't want it to look like he had stolen a few tabs so that he didn't miss a dose. Bad pharmacist!
- January 9, 2012 at 8:03 AM
Hmmm. Sarcasma, I think I need a refill, too.
- January 9, 2012 at 9:00 AM
Had a doc's wife ask if he could call in his own script because his doctor hadn't gotten back to us yet. I told her, um no, that it was illegal. She was like "ohhh". We found a script from another store with refills buried on page 5 of his profile and filled that one. But seriously, sometimes I just don't know what to think.
- January 9, 2012 at 9:42 AM
- Drugs & Deli said...
I called my dentist on his cell phone after the holiday asking for antibiotics and pain killer combo, and yes I took it right then and there, since I was the pharmacist in lots of pain from infection. I did wake him up though, he asked to speak to the pharmacist even though he knows what I do for a living and I did make it clear in the beginning of conversation.
- January 9, 2012 at 11:34 AM
- CathRN said...
If Sarcasma has fun side effects, I'd be suspicious. If there's no high involved, then he's too normal to be one of your herd. But you did say he's one of Dr. Brain's yaks...
- January 9, 2012 at 12:07 PM
- Grumpy, M.D. said...
No, the drug involved was benign. It was more the situation that was funny.
- January 9, 2012 at 12:10 PM
- Packer said...
Yeah, like the first time he talked to you couldn't he have just explained the situation and taken care of it that way, or am I completely missing something.
- January 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM
- SSS said...
That's a CYA pharmacist if I've ever seen one!
- January 9, 2012 at 2:14 PM
- pharmacy chick said...
(head shake) Ya have to give him credit for at least getting a refill auth instead of just filling it himself...
- January 9, 2012 at 2:30 PM
To RalPh's credit, he probably has dealt with doctors and offices that take eons to call back or refuse to 'call-in' while speaking directly to the pharmacist, due to paperwork or whatever office policy.
Funny though... He probably did a *face palm* after realizing he could have asked you during the 1st call.
- January 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM
- Technically Insane said...
And he did let you call if in to him all legal like.
- January 9, 2012 at 10:59 PM
- Reds Kevin said...
Why can't he just fill in a script for himself?
- January 10, 2012 at 1:04 AM
- arzt4empfaenger said...
Haha, nice one (alwyas following protocol! Reminds me of the time you got two separate calls from school about your twins). Unless he was trying to be smart in an obnoxious way. To New Tech on the Block, maybe I understand your example wrong, but in Germany at least any doc with a doctor's license can call in scripts for himself. My husband does it on the rare occasions we need anything minor or on holidays, or pain medethe pharmacies just need to check the doctor's license. When I go to pick it up, he writes a "private script" (for self-pay).
- January 10, 2012 at 7:50 AM
It's not illegal in my state to call in your own scripts. Perhaps borderline unethical, yes, but when a MD is calling in his own blood pressure med because his doc hasn't responded to three fax requests, I don't really see the problem.
- January 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM
Back in my pharmacy tech days, I once called my doctor's office for a refill and when I explained to the nurse that I worked in a pharmacy, she said I could pass the phone to the pharmacist and she'd okay it right then.
In my state it is illegal for docs to call stuff in for themselves... doesn't stop some of them though. I hate to be the fill-in pharmacist who won't fill it when their entire profile is full of stuff they wrote for themself. Ick.
- January 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM
- PharmGamerKid said...
in my state, doctor can call in anything other than controls. i would think the same holds for pharmacist getting the call from doctor for their own prescription.
- January 11, 2012 at 4:06 AM
In Arizona, the pharmacist will question anything scheduled that looks like it is for the doc OR a member of the doc's family--found this out when trying to help out my uninsured son late one night till I could send him money for the dentist. Ended up going with an NSAID, which in retrospect was probably more effective than Tylenol No.3 anyway.
- January 12, 2012 at 3:39 PM
I called 867-5309, but I just keep getting some chick named Jenny. No pharmacy
- January 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM
- TiredRPh said...
In response to Annonymous Jan 12 2:39pm - in AZ it is ILLEGAL for docs o call in/write control subs rxs for self OR family. Check your board law!
- January 16, 2012 at 1:48 AM