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Chart Practice with Client Feedback: Adina
May 08, 2009, 11:18 AM »
Hi everyone,
Rad has asked me to post my chart for practice, this being for several different reasons.
1. It gives students the chance to follow a chart from beginning to end – thru an entire life – with feedback from the "client," i.e., me. This is something that we rarely get to see, even as professional astrologers.
2. The chart is full of all kinds of "exceptions" we find in EA, including, but not limited to: skipped steps that include Pluto square the nodes; a planet conjunct the south node, a past life suicide; active masochist; and compensatory behavior that gave the appearance of being in a much earlier evolutionary stage than is actually the case.
3. Last but not least, I have begun, in earnest, the last leg of my current incarnation and am moving toward my transition. The resolution of chart/life dynamics looks very different from this viewpoint, and I'd be happy to share that in the spirit of learning as well. You'll also be able to follow along with that journey in relation to the chart thru my blog:
Birth and biographical information: Adina: Dec. 3, 1947; 4:10 pm; Alliance, OH; white, raised in solid middle to upper middle class socio-economic conditions; Methodist religious conditioning; First stage spiritual. Father was a CPA; Mother a homemaker. Raised with 2 brothers, one 4 ½ years older, and one 6 ½ years younger. Rest of family in 3rd stage consensus.
Severe emotional, psychological, and sexual abuse as a child. Parents were always "right," and kids were always "wrong." Older brother obvious favorite of Mother. Father had narcissistic personality disorder but was well respected businessman. We looked like the perfect, happy little 1950s family, but behind closed doors……. Married at 19 (1967) and had two children: a boy in 1969 and a girl in 1971. Divorced in 1991.
So, let's start with that Fourth House Pluto and have some evolutionary detective fun!
Last Edit: Jun 24, 2009, 08:39 AM by adina
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May 08, 2009, 05:56 PM »
Hi Adina,
What a generous offer to be the "genie pig" for EA
Well, let me begin with a few thoughts for starters:
4th Pluto: a soul who has worked on its emotional body for a long time now. There is a need to embrace all emotions as emanating from the self (versus others being responsible for it) and to learn to fulfil the emotional needs from within - versus being dependent on and expecting others to meet those emotional needs.
The 4th pluto lesson includes the need to mature emotionally and based on that maturation create/reformulate the self image.
With Pluto in 4th the issue usually starts at childhood; the emotional needs of the child is neither understood nor met by the parents. This can happen simply because the parents are unable to perceive the child's specific needs, or can happen for many other reasons, including abuse, emotional harm etc.
In the same time pluto is in leo: along the above the soul had a deep desire to actualise itself from its own merit, also had some form of narcistic nature. Within this placement in the 4th, there has been an expectation that those very deep, intense emotional needs should be met by the parents. There is also a feeling to be special and unique which generally adds to the emotional expectations as a child and causes great despair when these needs are not met. Emotional insecurity is the result and the soul is repeatedly thrown back to itself - with an intention to learn to meet its own emotional needs. Obviously as a child no awareness of such is present in any of us....the wounding in childhood clearly stated in this placement.
These kinds of emotionally unfulfilled life experiences have been repeated in several life times. The stellium next to pluto in the 4th with saturn moon and mars symbolises the multiply effort via many life times in this very area and an intensity of tension within the emotional body.
South node is in the 6th in scorpio: the way how this was implemented has been very very intense to begin with (scorpio s.node) and there has been some form of inferiority superiority beliefs attached to it. As the ruler points back to pluto itself, the intensity is emotional above all. There has been some form of merging, uniting with others via very deep emotional dynamics, which were also based on some kind of superiority/inferiority issues. .
With 4th Pluto (as ruler) this points back to familial relations, including the birth family members as well as intimate others in the past. These people also had in one way or another extremely intense emotional needs. With scorpio s.node it is certain that the soul has experienced power and powerlessness emotionally and that the famous "rug" has been pulled under its feet many times...
The 6th house is also the house of discrimination: so one of the lessons has been to apply discrimination in intimate relationship as whom merge with and whom not to. This is related to what kind of power symbols (re. emotional security needs in this case) the soul identified with...
Bottomline however in this symbolism is the issue of consciously or unconsciously waiting for others (scorpio) in the past to supply the security the soul was searching for (4th house pluto AND scorpio s.node together.) The 6th s.node also suggests that the soul has felt some sort of guilt and wanted to atone for that guilt. This guilt is related in one way or another to others the soul felt one with; scorpio. Something happened possibly secretly (scorpio) in relation to the soul itself and to others that caused this guilt at the first place.
With scorpio ruled by the leo 4th pluto it is likely that these others were either family members or from the same background of origin as the soul was in that life time. What had happened affected the self image of the soul. When pluto is also the s.node ruler: the connection within the symbolism will be multiplied and ever more intense. Eventually the soul with this particular configuration feels ashamed for who it essentially is. (back to 4th house pluto as ruler of the 6th scorpio s.node) That's what caused the problem...
South node conj. mercury and chiron in scorpio: something has been said, communicated in some ways that is directly related to this inner feeling of shame and guilt. Further more what has been said wounded itself and others (chiron) and possibly it is related to death (scorpio)
With another aspect of the 4th pluto as ruler: it is also possible that the connection was gender related, i.e. what has been commincated affected other women as well....if we take this a step further we can see from this symbolism a horrible picture how women has been persecuted for being a woman during the patriarchy ..the reason amongst other things can be "forbidden" sexual activity (6th house, something that is judged sinful; scorpio amongst other things; sexuality, one's sexual nature.)
Imagining the possible event(s) behind the archetypal correlations probably will give the feel as where the guilt may originate from and how it then brought along in time sinking deep down into the unconscious realms of the soul (pluto) ...yet from there affecting deeply the emotional body and the self image....and why the multiplied skipped steps developed by 4 planets are all connected to this s.node issue.....
Ok I guess it is enough for starters...I let others to continue from here...
Let me know Adina your feedback sofar...
And thanks again for your courage to offer your chart for EA purposes!
Last Edit: May 08, 2009, 06:30 PM by Lia
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May 08, 2009, 06:09 PM »
oops...I didn't put this right sorry
What I meant being persecuted and eventually killed as a woman for being a sexual being...and within those circumstances, being judged this way, saying or being forced to say (scorpio=force) things about others; others whom the soul loved and felt very close to (scorpio)...they came from the same origin or even the same family..(4th pluto ruler).
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May 10, 2009, 11:20 AM »
Hi everyone again,
Just one more important thing about the 6th scorpio s.node relative to the original traumas in this chart: the 6th is also the house of "service" so the kind of service that the soul fulfilled ORIGINALLY, along with other women, were of course rituals,(scorpio) and amongst those, sexual rituals including the sexual initiation of male children. Which is within natural society, of paramount importance. It teaches the male how to use sexual energy in the right way.
(As for history: in general, this was one of the key factors why human violence as such belongs ONLY to patriarchal times. The prior matriarchal period was far longer though, yet there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that human communities were violent either to each other or within one community. Reason being: it is the suppression and/or wrong use of the sexual energy which leads to distortion of the natural human psyche, which leads to rage, which then leads to violent behaviour against each other. The distortion of the phychology of the masses which is all based on sexual suppression and distorted behaviour is what directly responsible for the mass violence we experience within the patriarchal period of our histroy.)
So in regards to this chart, at that time (matriarchal times) the soul had a highly respected (satrun conj. pluto!) societal role that only women could fulfill...(4th house)
So the original trauma here is directly linked on a personal level to the upside/down switch of reality: something that the soul felt proud of (leo pluto, leo saturn and moon) and was personally and socially acknowledged for, at one point became the source of shame and social persecution....the original service became a sin....so everything the soul based its special identity upon and what ORIGINALLY provided it's inner AND outer security, became the source of feeling utterly guilty for....
I hope this more detailed historical background will make it easier for others to jump in??
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May 10, 2009, 12:00 PM »
I wanted to add the potential and special capacities I saw in this chart. With Sun/Jupiter Sag/7th house you could definately impart wisdom of natural law to others that are based on your own expereince of aligning and living that truth (undoing the compensation you talked about). With Mercury in Scorpio in the 6th house conjunct the SN there is aslo the ability to communicate these principles very clearly and with an unsual depth (Venus in cap/8th house also symbolizes purging conditioning patterns that has been inhibiting growth in the past). The underminding messages that have prevented the full actulization of this teaching/healing capacity must be released/purged as well (South Node in Scorpio in the 6th conjunct Mercury in the context of PLuto in Leo in the 4th house conjunct saturn and the Moon). The 4th house emphasis reflects that internal security must be established at a very deep level in order for the full teaching capacities to shine. The South Node in 6th house, and sag in the 7th reflects a naturally humble and compassionate person who desires to live their truth, and help others do the same.
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May 10, 2009, 04:53 PM »
Adina, you are so beautitul! thank you. i hope you will continue blogging.
COPD/emphysema- what is that associated with astrologically, mercury+pluto/scorpio? in your case, do you know what the cause was?
So in regards to this chart, at that time (matriarchal times) the soul had a highly respected (satrun conj. pluto!) societal role that only women could fulfill...(4th house)
So the original trauma here is directly linked on a personal level to the upside/down switch of reality: something that the soul felt proud of (leo pluto, leo saturn and moon) and was personally and socially acknowledged for, at one point became the source of shame and social persecution....the original service became a sin....so everything the soul based its special identity upon and what ORIGINALLY provided it's inner AND outer security, became the source of feeling utterly guilty for....
i think that is brilliant. i beleive the neptune in the 5th in libra squaring that venus adds to that as well.
i want to share a thought on pluto squaring nn: the soul has developed strong sensitivity and fear of the patriarchal culture due to being persecuted, (burned at stake?) (venus cap
. and as a result has learned to suppress it's own inner feminine wisdom, feeling far from fully inhabiting it's deep feminine interior, creative potential, sexual expression (nn taurus 12th, venus square neptune libra 5th) and maintaining natural and healthy boundaries. beyond what lia wrote, im sure we have lifetimes in which this soul was a male, a patriarch in fact who was probably famous and was highly identified with social opinion and acceptance. in these lifetimes/lifetime the soul didn't know how to completely own to it's own feminine consciousness, it's deepest needs bc they weren't accepted or appropriate in that culture. so possibly male lifetimes with non hetero sexual desires? also attempting to liberate from ideas about what sexuality, the body is (uranus in gemini in the second) quincunx and ruled by mercury on the sn.
the focus has been on the sn. a fear of loosing control, and difficulty forgiving herself for her spiritual imperfections, and other people as well- the past, family, the acceptance of past trauma. it's about coming to terms with where she is out of power (scorpio) to maintain control over life (6th house). in the past there has been a strong emphasis on trying to maintain safety as a protection mechanism. as an evolutioanry catalyst, she chose to experience great abandonment and neglect and abuse of all kinds that she would inwardly experience as a punishment for her lack of sexual perfection, the feeling of having done something wrong. this lead to self neglect and masochistic tendencies/attracting abuse to atone for her imperfect desires. i can totally see how living itself was a burden.
i also want to add that with mercury on the sn squaring pluto saturn moon in leo= the power and influence of her mind to serve others. and possible lifetimes long ago of doing so. like what deva said- all that becomes activated as a deep level of internal security is established. and FOR SURE with sun in sag cj juptier in 7th this soul has chosen a mission to share it's gifts and awareness as an insightful teacher that appreciates and can relate to many different kind of people. and thank you again for doing so adina!
btw, just noticing the aquarian trio squaring your nodes, this clearly is a powerful time for you.
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May 11, 2009, 04:59 AM »
Hi guys,
This is so exciting
Really this is an opportunity of a life time as being able to look at EA in this way with a "client" looking kind of backward so to speak...again, Adina it is such a gift to enable us to do so in the name of the evolutionary paradigm as a natural law and testing our ability to grasp it via a chart!
Thanks Deva and Ari to jump in and make such valuable inputs!
You are SOO right Ari, these transits in the 10th in aq. (pluto's and all other 4th planets polarity house!) signifies such a powerful time! Isn't that amazing...thanks for pointing that out!
I am blown away, just HOW graphic is that: aq. objectivity, 10th house social context and here we are trying to give some objective, group effort feedback (aq.) in a way that in the same time is an implementation of what the soul can give back to the community (10th house) and all that in square with the nodes activating the whole complicated skipped steps dynamics.....
Also tr. pluto is right on venus the ruler of the n.node!WOW!
It is indeed such a gift from you Adina, such a special opportunity at such a special time...because of that, I'd like to suggest to go step by step planet by planet, dynamics to dynamics, trying to uncover the many-layered soul structure - as each soul has multiplied layers within themselves and all of them add to the phenomena of what we call life; the experiences and lessons - past and present - via which our souls attempt to learn and grow....in this case having a scorpio s.node in the 6th it is clear that the soul programmed many powerful metamorphosing experiences in order to grow beyond it's prior limitations of all kinds...
Adina I'd like to ask if you would be okay with that approach??
If we try to dig in step by step and attempt to uncover the "secrets" of your soul
on our way of trying to apply the method of synthetising the EA symbols?
In the hope that all this may positively adds to the soul-programmed metamorphosing experience symbolised by that tr. pluto ...isn't that amazing how it all connects? I.e. that pluto being the s.node's ruler and transiting OVER the n.node ruler.... in a chart when the heart is the skipped steps notion -i.e. going back and forth bewtween those two symbols for life times?
It is indeed a privilidge to be a part of this process...as Wolf used to say "astrology in our face!"
Much love and blessings,
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May 11, 2009, 10:10 PM »
Thanks very much Lia, Deva and Ari! I really appreciate this excellent analysis and thank you for your very kind words. I apologize for the delay in feedback and a brief response now; this past weekend was an especially busy one for me, and much of today was taken up with medical issues, but I wanted to post a few things yet this evening - things that especially stood out or had special meaninfgfor me - as well as to encourage you and others to keep going.
I also agree with Lia's last post about regrouping, so to speak, and employing the basic evolutionary axis for the analysis; i.e., we start with Pluto/PP, S node and it's ruler, then N node and its ruler, etc.
First, Lia (and then Ari), you are spot on with the prior life role of sacred prostitute, and we can further back that up with the Vesta in Cancer in the 3rd TRINE the S Node/Mercury in Scorp in the sixth. Also, we can note that at 27 Scorp, the S Node of Mars (remember how important the planetary nodes are) is conjunct the S Node and also trine the Vesta. Ari, you brought in the Venus, too, in aspect to Neptune, and we can again add the S Node of Vesta conjunct the Venus, so you can see how each aspect and layer adds more and more information and confirmation. Then add Pallas in Pisces in 10 (inconjunct the Vesta and square the nodes and Mercury) and you can see again the persecution for speaking at a different level than accepted by society in general and patriarchal leaders in particular. The next thing to figure in relation to this past life info is how it affects the current life.
In relation to the following in Lia's first post: "The 6th s. node also suggests that the soul has felt some sort of guilt and wanted to atone for that guilt....... Something happened possibly secretly (Scorpio) in relation to the soul itself and to others that caused this guilt at the first place." .... Yes, and let's look at the possibilities of what that might have been and include the Merc in Scorp conj the S node.
Deva, in relation to the following that you pointed out quite accurately, "The undermining messages that have prevented the full actualization of this teaching/healing capacity must be released /purged as well (you included all the astro backup above)." I feel this is an especially deep lesson/need for this soul this life, the purging of the messages that originated from others as well as the self, and continued thru the inner dialogue. Right on! And still working on a few remaining threads of it!
Ari, like I mentioned above, yes, indeed, to adding the Neptune in 5 squaring the Venus! As far as fear of patriarchal culture due to persecution... it was in particular... torture..that led to some of that suppression that you mentioned, so we can explore that more. Very good. As far as the reference to "lifetimes in which this soul was a male, a patriarch in fact who was probably famous and was highly indentified with social opinion and acceptance,"... we need to keep in mind the evolutionary stage of the soul. First stage spiritual would not identify or seek "social opinion and acceptance, in and of itself, and would not be in the kind of position AS you've described it. If sought out as a means of compensation, it still wouldn't hold any meaning for that soul itself.
Next, where do you feel you see the "possible male lifetimes with non heterosexual desires?" In relation to the "..... sn, a fear of loosing control," and following that, "..... coming to terms with where she si out of power (scorpio) to maintain control over life (6th house)..... is there something more specific you're referring to in relation to loosing and wanting to maintain control?
As far as the Astro markers for COPD/emphysema, the basis would be the Uranus in Gemini in 2 inconjunct the Merc in Scorp in the 6th. I do know the cause, but let's play astrological detective to determine what that is first, because we sure do create everything for or out of a reason.
This is great work, everyone! I hope you continue and that others join in. We have SO much we can cover, especially as it relates to the state of the consciousness when it began this incarnation and where it is now and will be when it leaves this incarnation behind. It's quite graphic, and I think a great tool for astrologers to be able to actually SEE the possibilities.
Again, this is great, and I deeply appreciate your time and efforts in doing this!
God bless,
Last Edit: May 12, 2009, 08:51 AM by adina
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May 13, 2009, 10:28 PM »
alright, so b4 i give a go at it- when i start with pluto south node and its ruler, pp, nn and its ruler- is it recommended that i incorporate any of the other themes- such as the role the moon and sun play within all of that? or do you recommend i do that afterwards? in this approach, where does all the other stuff flow in? are we recommended i follow the process given in the "planetary method of chart analysis" in the measuring the night?
basically, how would you suggest i go about interpreting this?
Thank you!
btw, those emoticons are rather mischevious! via some punctuation and parenthesis, i accidently posted a
when talking about venus in capricorn and persecution
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May 14, 2009, 07:06 AM »
You have a great sense of humor, Ari! You have asked a very important and pertinent question. Since this MB is open to the public, not everyone may be familiar with the basic evolutionary axis that Wolf taught. So, yes, the method/process in Measuring the Night II would be the way to go. Pluto, PP, South node and ruler, n node and ruler, then Sun, Merc, etc. And in this particular case/chart, Pluto squares the nodal axis, so BOTH nodes have been worked on before without either one being FULLY developed, resulting in the skipped steps. Just as a reminder, the node that last conjuncted pluto is the resolution node for skipped steps, meaning the one that MUST be worked on to recover the skipped steps. In this case, that is the N Node. Let me know if you have any other questions about how to proceed, Ari. I look forward to your analysis!
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May 19, 2009, 05:43 PM »
Alright! so i've been palying with this for a bit now. Finally realized that the best thing to do is to keep it simple and just take a first step in this process. I still think I may be going too far too soon. I look forward and am grateful ahead of time for your feedback, adina and anyone else.
For those who aren't familiar- this is a general method (partially) explained in Measuring the Night Vol II- "planetary method for chart analysis" with JWG. After pluto/pp/nodes and rulers, you start with the sun and move out from there. It's considered a Virgoian step by step type of analysis which can naturally flip into unified Piscean perception. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to include aspects to the nodes in the beginning.
The underlying reason for past incarnations has been for the soul to experience itself as the creator of it's own security (pluto). The lesson is about learning detachment and not personalizing everything as the determinant of self identity (pp). This allows for an essential security that truly comes from within. security coming from within is a powerful concept when we're looking at pluto in leo in the 4th. this is the creative force of compassion- a bon fire that radiates love and nurturance.
In past lives we see a strong pattern of experiencing emotional manipulation, abandonment, and abuse of all kinds. This is indicated with all that 4th house squaring the nodes. Developing the emotional body/emotional maturity and responsibility for taking care of others, managing her own family/ taking care of her deepest needs (saturn moon 4th), learning how to be discerning and make decisions that support her deepest emotional needs (mars virgo 4th). squaring the nodes- the first thing that tells me is all those issues have been the crux for her soul's evolutionary journey.
6th house scorpio, /12th house taurus. sn reflects in the soul seeking to cultivate an essential humility and an intense awareness of ALL imperfections. the taurus 12th nn reflects letting go and finding perfection in just what is. and in that perfection feeling completely fulfilled and content in her own being.
put ruler of sn in 4th house and get the square going= the evolutionary intent has been experienced primarily through the loss of control in her life. This speaks strongly to being a victim of forces of deep oppression that push her into the chaos of having no control. her pattern has been to attract punishment to herself in the form of all kinds of emotional sexual and verbal abuse and intense abandonment at a core level (sn scorpio 6th relative to pluto). This is bc she has naturally been very controlling and obsessive about perfection- to the extent that she has cyclicly created experiences of complete chaos and disorder in her life, in her health, in her enviroment. her obsession for control has been linked to maintaining the status quo of security in her life. In her past, she has been very dependent on the energy and love she gets from other people. This dependence on outside energy has been an evolutionary catalyst for these experiences in order to learn the pluto lesson of emotional self reliance.
QUESTION: i dont feel I entirely GET the essence of scorpio in the 6th in relationship to Pluto in the 4th. Can you help me with that?
As I wrote earlier, she learned to suppress her own inner feminine wisdom, feeling far from fully inhabiting it's deep feminine interior, creative potential, sexual expression (nn taurus 12th, venus in cap 8th square neptune libra 5th) and maintaining natural and healthy boundaries. She's flip flopped between LETTING GO (living in full alignment with her divine beauty queen, but also being overly naive and trusting of ANYONE) and HOLDING ON (trying to fix herself- maybe sex changes, killing herself bc of the immense difficulties in living, TAKING VENGENCE on others or symbols of others who have persecuted her (also reflected in the nature of venus), sado-masochistic relationships in which she can play out her story of being a victim and also find empowerment- all scorpio 6th linked to the vulnerability of pluto in the 4th).
The general tendency has been to be very cautious of victimization, of the possibilty of abaondonment. In fact, she has learned to expect it. She has developed an acute sense of perception, discrimination and judgement as a protection mechanism (sn).
We can understand past lives in which she was hung, tried, burned etc. the scorpio in the 6th as well as venus in cap in the 8th feels stongly connected to past lives as a witch/healer/herbalist that was persecuted by the patriarchal powers that be.
ok- so that's just based on the nodes, rulers, pluto and pp. I'm trying my best to keep this grounded!
Lets just remember that the overall nodes pluto story imply the lesson of self reliance and becoming empowered by her deepest values as a spiritual being here with a purpose. This naturally involves owning her power and sexuality and helping others do the same.
Now I'm just going to generalize each planet.
The sun in Sag in the 7th= spiritual counselor. the focal energy of her dharma is connecting to spiritual path that will allow her a broad access and undestanding to all different kinds of people.
Mercury in Scorpio in the 6th= attracted to information that reveals the mystery behind why things are the way they are. This information is used as a way to help others/ fix things/ mechanically understanding how life functions and be able to assist people based on that understanding. Mercury conj SN, square those 4 planets in 4th= this attraction to knoweldge, and the use of that knoweldge/information/communication has been pivotal in maintaiing security. we can say her life depended on it. in the same sense, she has also used the power and wit of her mind to control and manipulate.
Venus in Capricorn in the 8th= Her inner chat is about trusting her intuitive feminine wisdom- naturally rising above the consensus opinions and ideas of sexuality/ social oppression and sexual abuse.
Mars in Virgo in the 4th= She can act on her Soul's Desire by cultivating a critical perspective on how she is taking care of herself. This implies a devotion and service to taking creating home/ taking care of emotional needs. She will instincively act as a mother to provide for her deepset needs, as well as those who are in her "family" network. This is a strong degree of self awareness that allows her to correct ways in which she neglects emotional/nurturing needs. squaring nodes= over focused on controlling everything leads to complete loss of control/misdirected emotional energy.
Jupiter Conj sun- blows up the mission statement of the sun. sag 7th- Appreciating other people and opening up to broader horizons and persepctives, teaching= very good thing to do.
Saturn in Leo in the 4th- becoming a responsible care taker of self intimacy and love.
Uranus gemini second= intent to liberate from prevailing trends, thoughts ideas and opinions that generally constitute the basis for sexuality/survival etc.. This takes her deep into her interior to find her truest deepest resources no matter how much they that differentiates her from her enviroment.
retrograde= over did it in the past. didn't know how to rebel against her own inner status quo- was too outwardly focused and didn't know how to truly liberate w/out being subject to oppression.
Im going to need help with interpreting the meaning of uranus inconjunct nodes/mercury when we get there
Neptune Libra 5th= The intent to be exactly who she is. In that, she humbly knows herself as an instrument of Truth. her own sense of self and specialness is a manifestation of divine will. The innosence of being a child. letting go of self image so that she can naturally project her self image.
Ok, so I think I'll keep it at that b4 putting it all together with aspects and all. Once I do that, I'll address the comments and questions you asked in your earlier response.
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May 28, 2009, 12:13 PM »
Hi Ari,
May I suggest thinking over this chart via considering the followings:
1) Pluto is mainly unconscious in all of us. Although we're going to manifest it is not conscious. So in regards to the "control" issue you were talking about doesn't seem to click in....with a 4th pluto there is indeed an emotional intensity in the soul, but it doesn't know it.
2) Where the s.node falls in is what we have done definitely a LOT of times, that's a conscious approach to life. Even if the soul has a skipped step symbol it still the s.node which has been developed via a great length of time when there is a skipped step something is missed out on something is misunderstood somewhere along the line which makes the soul stuck. (By the way every T-square represents this kind of "being stuck" in consciousness in different degrees of intensity, depending on the symbols and the rest of the chart.)In this case the s.node is in the 6th house and although it starts with libra, the s.node is in scorpio. This correlates to our intentions, our motivations amongst other things. S.node being here would suggest a soul who have desired and made efforts to improve and purify it's soul's intentions: a lot of work trying to sort out, analyse, discriminate and improve itself.
To become aware of it's own reasons so to speak, and the fact that there has been some sort of guilt within the soul for which the soul was trying to "atone" for a long long time is also symbolised here.
3) The problem with the nodal axis is that it is one of the MAJOR weights in our self conscious consciousness. We are so used to our s.node we can't even recognise it. Also it needs to taken into consideration the original trauma (chiron) which I mentioned above as one general story but that has been repeated more than once in different dresses.....which marked the beginning of the current evolutionary cycle. An evolutionary cycle is trying to culminate with the n.node falling in the 12th. This is important to understand. We are talking about at least a few thousands years culmination intention here. So we need to be very careful about the actual meaning of the symbols.... (i.e. conj. s.node= the WHOLE evolutionary cycle is directly related to this) Also, let me suggest a thought here: scorpio has an interesting correlation: entrapment. When s.node is scorpio the soul felt for a very long time being ENTRAPPED. In something in some ways. Also the fact that the 6th/12th axis is the archetype for (amongst other things) the sado/masochistic psychology. Yet let's remember it is also the archetype of spiritual development and ideas beliefs etc...the soul being in the 1st spiritual it is very very important here.
Everything else comes after we understand this underlying pattern along with the skipped steps (meaning even though the soul was trying to get out of its own self imposed entrapment it was not able to yet!)
4) Every "entrapment" is always with no EXCEPTION based on an underlying misunderstand. Deeply ingrained in the soul. Can you unravel what could this particular soul's misunderstanding be here: 6th house s.node in Scorpio: wanting to atone for something that is fundamentally inherent to the soul (scorpio). What's going to happen when we try to do that? Is it not distortion? And what capr. venus and saturn in 4th symbolises in this case? What has been distorted here? Why?
The soul in this case perceived itself as "not good enough" for whatever reasons but the result was trying to deny (6th house) a part of itself which it thought was "not okay". This particularly relates to close intimate relationships (scorpio). But it also relates to secrets that the soul was trying to deny. Why? What else is the 12/6th house correlates to? The beliefs of inferiority/superiority which leads to sado masochism. What was the preveiling spiritual teachings of the last few thousands years?
Remember the wound of chiron the start of this cycle is pointing back that far...12th house n.node a whole BIG evolutionary cycle is trying to culminate here.....
In short can we see here the issue of MASOCHISM that the soul willfully put on itself...(willful:scorpio and mars...both say the same thing: mars in virgo scorpio s.node in 6th) it was played out in many ways but very intensely in the emotionally closest relationships, family and partners...(4th ruler of the scorpio s.node)
5) Attracting people (Venus) who will be both, suppressive of their own emotions and will suppress/oppress the emotions of the soul. (venus in capr. in the 8th is HOW the soul attracts. Question again is why?) So in this case FORCEFULLY suppressive partners. (scorpio s.node +capr. venus as the ingredients of the kinds of relationships =playing out its need for "atonement" via sado/masochism: likely physical abuse next to the emotional psychological abuse) So as for trying to 2control everything" have a second look: for it is very likely that the soul was not able to control much of anything for a long time especially relative to it's most immediate familial environment either as a child or an adult. (sat. moon conj. in the 4th with pluto)
The real question is why the soul has chosen these kinds of experiences? Can you try it again from here?
If we can perceive the picture this way and now we put in the fact that the soul is in the 1st spiritual what could be the real causative factor for the active and severe masochism that is actually played out in this chart?
There is always a big fat misunderstanding in each one of us in some ways, what we're trying to recover from...what is this chart this soul misunderstanding,...what is the half truth half illusion and how was that DISTORTED within it's consciousness and why?
6) What pluto in the 4th suggesting here? Is it not the fact that the soul unconsciously waiting for positive feedback, love, acceptance etc. from OTHERS, yet attracting others in close relationships who will give something very different to say the least as "feedback" in close partner and familial relationships. Which then affects, confuses and distorts the self image. Why?
This chart indeed is a good example how it is so easy to make false judgments based on misunderstandings and how easy it is to overlook the real problem and yet think that a soul done something else wrong....it sure doe things wrong as we all do, but WHY? What is the bottomline here and relative to that bottomline what was the soul reaction?
By the way, with this chart pattern one needs to be very careful, the soul's sensitivity is at peak. (4th house stellium) It is very possible that the soul will take every and any feedback very sensitively and personally of course. (This one you pointed out Ari right, that's true, but there IS a reason for it and that's the bottomline of the chart.) Reason being the soul will "hear" via the capr. filter of venus, it will hear "judgment" even when it is not intended. The CONDITIONED inner messages relating to itself has become negative and this negative inner "hearing" will overlay anything the soul hears...this is one of the reason why the soul has attracted the wrong type of people in the past those who at first say all the good things, all the accepting acknowledging etc. things YET they have an ulterior agenda that the soul will found out only too late...this sensitivity makes the soul susceptible to fall "prey" to the so called "silver tongue devil" type...as long as the n.node and ppp isn't embraced. But question is what prevented the soul to arrive there and why was it stuck in the s.node?
Does this make sense Ari? Do you mind to start over?
For the truth is that, when we misunderstand the bottomline of a chart we will misinterpret the whole lot even though we may have some good insights in-between YET the overall interpretation will be misleading...
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lia, you rock! i appreciate this a lot.
I do want to start over.
First, i want to understand why reading things like sado-maso would be inappropriate for a first stage spiritual. my only hunch is that if a soul is currently in spiritual state, it implies that the karmic processes in this life relate to the choices they have previously made that would be appropriate for a first stage spiritual to be addressing. in other words, first stage spiritual wont be relating to their evolutionary intent through the karmic process of any other evolutionary state. therefore, we must read past lives from the perspective of first stage spiritual- thus excluding sado maso. Is this correct?
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Hi Ari,
Well right the contrary it is INDEED appropriate to apply sado/masochism in a spiritual state! Absolutely appropriate it just needs to be UNDERSTOOD in a way that it will play out in the souls' consciousness. I.e. in this case the soul believed IT IS what god ordained, and believed that masochism is the way to spiritually grow...
If a soul believe that it is inherently "sinful" (for heaven's sake it is NOT what all kinds of patriarchal religions are teaching? :-) what will be the consequence for a soul in the spiritual state? Would it NOT want to do what it thinks god wants from it?
For this is the whole point, the moment the soul believed in that started to do everything it could RELATIVE TO WHAT IT BELIEVED (relative to the spiritual teachings of any life time) to obey god's will...to "atone" for what ever is "not perfect" within it, relative to those BELIEFS...
It is very very important to understand sado/masochism in the spiritual state! It is the very reason for this soul (and many others) for perceiving itself as somehow "not good enough".
Imagine that: a soul in the spiritual eventually believes that everything sexual (scoprio) is a sin....Can you see in this chart that is the BEGINNING of this very cycle, the soul have been a highly sexual being and used that sexuality as a means to evolve it's consciousness to further its' spiritual state....then it was judged as an absolute sin. Right the soul at one point believed it was true. So it was trying to sacrifice that (taurus, sensuality is in the 12the) the soul thought OK if that's not right I am over with that.
Sure :-)) WILL THAT ACTUALY HAPPEN IN ACTUAL REALITY? Can you get rid of something natural? Look at venus: the soul SUPPRESED thought it was wrong, judged it's attraction and sexual urges wrong! (mars also! Typically wasn't honest about those things for believing they were wrong.)
When we believe something eventually we will try to live accordingly....that's where the real dishonesty started the denial started...i.e.: my goodness how can I have sexual desires when I am suppose to be all "pure" and without it all....sooner or later god itself makes us see when we are not honest to ourselves....
So what the soul done then? Was trying to ATONE for it...atone for the sin, atone for something it judged wrong at the first place...
This is the start here...the original thing is a total absolute bullseye ALWAYS when a soul decided (scorpio) to do something totally unnatural....
This is the starting point here, masochism was the EXPECTED and ENDORSED way for spiritual development during the last few thousand of years...
Look what's the ruler of neptune (our greatest illusions relative to how we perceive it) what was the belief with that capr. venus? To totally SUPPRESS the senses for they are wrong sinful etc. etc....
The story starts from here in essence...the soul at one point decided to suppress something natural within itself because it believed it was wrong, it thought this is what's "good" this is god wants .....
It all starts from by that initial misunderstanding....of course not at once but via several life time when the soul was made feel dirty and bad etc. ....but when the belief eventually taken in, it becomes the operative factor of everything that comes after...then the manifold consequences the reaction to all this etc. etc. develop through time via many many lives many events and the final eventual intent in all that is to learn from it and remove/recover the original misunderstanding as the causative factor behind it all.......
Does this make more sense this way?
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thank you! Now i feel like i finally "got" scorpio in the 6th.
So we're looking at a soul that has learned to see itself as inherantly flawed (6th) based on the nature of it's very desires (sorpio). That naturally created a lot of guilt and thus the need to atone for that guilt.
Coming back to Pluto- the soul has desired to inhabit it's own security. the problem was, the soul also believed that there was also something wrong with it. in order to establish security, the soul has chosen a family, tribe, hertiage (4th house) that persecuted her for who she is/what she does.
This persecution, catalyzed the tendency within the soul to further punish itself. all of life in some way reflected back to the soul the impurity it felt in itself (scorpio 6). The Taurus nn also being squared implies the occasional supression of sexuality all together, being celibate or trying to be pure. but ultimately being that what is supressed becomes distorted- her sexuality HAD to express itself in some way, and this is where we can read the pattern of masochism (scorpio 6).
4) Every "entrapment" is always with no EXCEPTION based on an underlying misunderstand. Deeply ingrained in the soul. Can you unravel what could this particular soul's misunderstanding be here: 6th house s.node in Scorpio: wanting to atone for something that is fundamentally inherent to the soul (scorpio). What's going to happen when we try to do that? Is it not distortion? And what capr. venus and saturn in 4th symbolises in this case? What has been distorted here? Why?
So adding to what I just said- the intense degree of sensitivity and awareness of how her culture and family judged sexuality and love. her very nature as a sexual being has been distorted. As a female in past lives she has been an authority of sorts that helped others with healing- using knowledge and by being naturally connected to feminine consciousness: herbs, sexuality etc (venus in cap 8th functioning through scorpio 6th). Also saturn moon in leo in the 4th= matriarch. At some point or another her practices, and her role was no longer acceptable by society. The unconditional love and acceptance became judgement and persectution. This has served the purpose for her soul to detach from relying on others to feel loved and find that within (ppp), setting the stage for a long evolutionary journey.
The soul in this case perceived itself as "not good enough" for whatever reasons but the result was trying to deny (6th house) a part of itself which it thought was "not okay". This particularly relates to close intimate relationships (scorpio). But it also relates to secrets that the soul was trying to deny. Why? What else is the 12/6th house correlates to? The beliefs of inferiority/superiority which leads to sado masochism. What was the preveiling spiritual teachings of the last few thousands years?
Remember the wound of chiron the start of this cycle is pointing back that far...12th house n.node a whole BIG evolutionary cycle is trying to culminate here.....
In short can we see here the issue of MASOCHISM that the soul willfully put on itself...(willful:scorpio and mars...both say the same thing: mars in virgo scorpio s.node in 6th) it was played out in many ways but very intensely in the emotionally closest relationships, family and partners...(4th ruler of the scorpio s.node)
5) Attracting people (Venus) who will be both, suppressive of their own emotions and will suppress/oppress the emotions of the soul. (venus in capr. in the 8th is HOW the soul attracts. Question again is why?) So in this case FORCEFULLY suppressive partners. (scorpio s.node +capr. venus as the ingredients of the kinds of relationships =playing out its need for "atonement" via sado/masochism: likely physical abuse next to the emotional psychological abuse) So as for trying to 2control everything" have a second look: for it is very likely that the soul was not able to control much of anything for a long time especially relative to it's most immediate familial environment either as a child or an adult. (sat. moon conj. in the 4th with pluto)
I'll stop here for now and await further response. Thank you for this guidance. I hope this is meaningful and educational for other forum members as well!
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2008 GMC Yukon Denali ReviewThis car review is specific to this model, not the actual vehicle for sale.
A smooth and refined hauler.
The GMC Yukon XL is GMC's version of the Chevy Suburban. As its name suggests, the XL is extra-long, 20 inches longer than the standard-length Yukon. The Yukon XL is offered in half-ton or three-quarter ton capacities, and luxurious Denali models are available.
The Yukon XL is a great choice for towing cars, boats, horses, and travel trailers. A Yukon XL 1500 is rated to tow up to 8200 pounds, while the heavy-duty 2500 version can tow up to 9700 pounds. With its long wheelbase and heavy-duty construction, the Yukon XL is a highly stable platform for towing while offering the interior cargo advantages of a full-size SUV. The standard 5.3-liter V8 offers excellent horsepower and torque, and a 6.0-liter V8 is available for more towing power.
The Yukon XL seats six to nine people, depending on the seating configuration. There are many vehicles that seat seven people without taking up so much space to do it, but few quite so comfortably, nor with so much room left over for cargo.
The optional leather seats are wonderfully comfortable for long distances. The driver sits way up high and feels like he or she is master or mistress of his or her domain. The pedals adjust for long or short legs. The instruments and gauges are stylish. Interior small items storage is intelligently designed and all over, including a huge center console.
Those in the second row will find a lot of leg room. Bucket seats with a center console between them are available for the second row, turning them into first-class accommodations; and there is an optional power folding option, making it easier for third-row passengers to climb in. There's even decent legroom and good headroom in the third row, something few SUVs can claim.
At the top of the line is the Yukon XL Denali. The Denali is almost a separate breed. It has its own engine, a 6.2-liter V8 rated at 380 horsepower and 417 pound-feet of torque. The Denali also offers a more sophisticated all-wheel-drive system. The Denali comes standard with the AutoRide active electronic suspension, which is optional on the regular Yukon XL.
A liftgate is available that raises and lowers under power, a Bose sound system, a navigation system, and a DVD rear-seat entertainment system are available, in addition to a rearview monitor that improves safety and makes it easier to hook up trailers.
The Yukon XL was completely redesigned for 2007. The 2008 Yukon XL models come standard with curtain side airbags. Yukon XL 2500-series models get a six-speed automatic for 2008, and a new 2WD version of the Yukon XL Denali is available.
The 2008 GMC Yukon XL comes in three trim levels and two carrying capacities. The Yukon XL SLE 2WD ($38,185) and 4WD ($40,985) and the better-equipped SLT 2WD ($39,020) and 4WD ($41,810) offer a choice of V8 engines, including two versions of the Vortec 5.3-liter V8 that can run on E85 ethanol. The aluminum-block 5.3 makes 310 horsepower and 335 pound-feet of torque in 4WD models and 320 horsepower and 340 pound-feet of torque in 2WD models. A more powerful engine is optional for these 1500-series models, an all-aluminum 6.0-liter V8 with variable valve timing, making 366 horsepower and 380 pound-feet of torque ($1,095). The Yukon XL's available four-wheel drive is a full-time system that can be driven on dry pavement and has low-range gearing. Yukon XL 1500 models use a four-speed automatic transmission.
The 2500-series models have truck tires and a heavier suspension using leaf springs. The SLE 2WD 2500 ($39,585), SLE 4WD 2500 ($42,385) and the SLT 2WD 2500 ($40,380) and 4WD SLT 2500 ($43,180) come with a 352-hp version of the 6.0-liter V8 that makes 383 pound-feet of torque. Also, 2500 models get a six-speed automatic for 2008.
Also offered are the luxurious 2WD Denali ($48,130) and AWD Denali ($51,175). The Denali's all-wheel-drive system lacks low-range gearing. The Denali models come with a 6.2-liter V8 that produces 380 horsepower and 417 pound-feet of torque along with a six-speed automatic transmission with manual mode and GMC's AutoRide active electronic suspension.
They all have a Tow/Haul mode, which reduces upshifting and downshifting, and also shifts quicker, so the transmission doesn't work so hard when pulling a big load. Transmission oil temperature is part of the instrumentation (along with a tire-pressure monitor).
The SLE standard equipment includes cruise control; three-zone manual climate control; AM/FM/CD/MP3, eight-speaker stereo with XM satellite radio; OnStar assistance with one year subscription; driver information center; the usual powered features, with the outside mirrors heated and foldable; a six-way power driver's seat; leather-wrapped, tilt steering wheel with audio controls; cloth upholstery; auto-dimming rearview mirror; 40/20/40 split front bench seat; six-way power driver's seat; 60/40 split folding second-row bench seat; two-passenger third-row split folding seat; automatic headlights; roof rails; side steps; locking rear differential; three power outlets; and P265/70R17 all-season tires on bright aluminum wheels. Also standard is a tow package with a heavy hitch, seven-pin wiring harness, two-inch receiver and electric brake control harness. A 3SB package for SLE ($835) adds front bucket seats, a power front passenger seat, a front center console, rear radio and climate controls, and fog lights. A Convenience Package ($560) has rear park assist, power-adjustable pedals and remote engine starting.
SLT models get tri-zone automatic climate control with rear controls, front tow hooks, leather upholstery, front bucket seats with six-way power adjustment, front center console, six-disc CD changer, rear seat audio controls and outputs, universal garage door opener, fog lights, remote engine starting, power adjustable pedals, rear park assist, and polished alloy wheels. A 4SB option package for SLT ($3,705) adds heated, 12-way adjustable front seats with lumbar adjustment; memory for the driver's seat and mirrors; Bose nine-speaker audio system with subwoofer; roof rack; and power-folding exterior mirrors with integrated turn signals, driver's side auto-dimming, and reverse tilting.
Denali models come fully loaded, with a wood and leather-wrapped steering wheel; second-row bucket seats; heated first- and second-row seats; 12-way adjustable front seats with lumbar adjustment; memory for the driver's seat and mirrors; power-folding second-row seats; removable three-passenger split-folding third-row seat; power-folding exterior mirrors with int.
The 2008 GMC Yukon XL should not be confused with the Yukon. The XL stands for Extra Long. Though the same width, the Yukon XL is about 20 inches longer than the Yukon; it's the same length as its near twin, the Chevy Suburban, measuring 18 1/2 feet.
The Suburban and Yukon XL are familiar vehicles on the road. They share styling but differ in some details. For example, the Yukon XL has a cleaner air intake below the bumper than the Suburban, a different shape for the headlights, and the grille is not split.
While very large in size, the Yukon XL looks smooth, if not sleek. The contours are gently shaped. It isn't edgy like the Cadillac Escalade is. There's not a lot of flashy chrome and the side moldings and door handles are body colored.
The running boards are integrated and unobtrusive, extending no farther than necessary, with a black grippy coating. The tinted glass behind the C-pillar is expansive, and looks nice. The front end has a clean appearance, with beefy block-like headlamps over a front bumper fascia. All the panel tolerances are a tight fit. It's nice to see that GM can produce this kind of quality.
The rear window opens separately, which is convenient. Our SLT had the optional power liftgate, and we're not sure what we would have done without it. The liftgate is aluminum, however, which makes opening and closing it manually a bit easier.
The Yukon XL is comfortable for long tows or major outings. It's a wonderful feeling to drive down the highway in one of these, riding high with all the comforts, including the optional Bose sound system. The seats are comfortable and easy to adjust. Like most large SUVs, the front row has plenty of head and leg room.
The instrument panel and center stack are elegant and worthy of a higher-end vehicle. The Denali model is richer still, with a wood and leather-wrapped steering wheel and darker wood trim than the other models.
We found the touch-screen radio/navigation system easy to use, much easier to operate than in so many cars, Mercedes, for example. We set the radio stations we liked and could quickly switch from favorite XM to AM to FM stations with the push of a single button; many vehicles require switching bands, then switching stations. This ease of operation makes daily driving more enjoyable.
The switchgear is simple, and the instrumentation is clean. The console is huge, with a deep storage box and a tray on top. The glovebox is large. Two cupholders are provided in a removable tray forward of the console and they work very well. There's another cupholder in each door pocket. A slot in the dash just left of the turn signal is perfect for coins or toll-road tickets. The pedals are adjustable, to accommodate short and tall drivers with the press of a button.
The rearview camera is useful and improves safety, so we strongly recommend this option. Shift into Reverse and an image of what's behind you appears on the navigation screen. This makes parallel parking much faster and much easier, and it helps when maneuvering in parking structures and other tight locations. The camera works well at night, benefiting from the reverse lights: One night we had to back up a narrow winding driveway squeezed by trees, and it could only be done by using the monitor. It was tricky. The backup lights did a great job of lighting the road for the camera; looking over our shoulder, our naked eye couldn't see the road nearly as well. Most important, the backup camera can help the driver spot a small child or an adult behind the vehicle, possibly averting a tragedy. The system also makes hitching a trailer much easier, allowing the driver to precisely position the ball under the trailer hitch on the first attempt, which beats jumping out of the vehicle multiple times using the traditional trial-and-error method.
The Yukon XL can seat six, seven, eight or nine passengers, depending on the seats selected. Our SLT had the second-row bucket seats, with room for seven, in a two/two/three configuration.
The second row offers good leg room, at least with the two bucket seats: 39.4 inches, nearly as much as in the front. Second-row passengers have their own console, with an elbow tray and two cupholders each. They have their own audio controls too, and a front-row seat for the DVD screen that drops down from the headliner, and uses wireless headphones. The second-row bucket seats come with a console between them.
An optional power feature allows folding the second-row seats with the touch of a button on the instrument panel or C-pillar. It's slick: the seatbacks fold flat against the lower cushions, and then the seats flip up against the backs of the front seats.
Depending on the package, the third row seats two or three. Split 60/40, these seats fold and tumble, but don't fold flat into the floor like some competitors. The third-row seats flip up against the back of the second row. This fold-and-tumble feature sacrifices some quick cargo space because the seats don't fold flat, though there's still a lot of room compared to other SUVs.
Head room in the third row is good, and leg room is okay (34.9 inches). There is a great view through the wraparound glass, so it doesn't feel cramped or claustrophobic back there. But with the optional center seat, all you'll ever fit in the third.
Driving Impression
The GMC Yukon XL is an excellent choice for owners of race cars, boats, horses, or travel trailers. It is the perfect tow vehicle for buyers who want the security and people capacity of a full-size SUV instead of the open bed of a pickup truck.
GM's trusty 5.3-liter Vortec V8 is the standard choice and it's a good one, making 310 horsepower and 335 pound-feet of torque with 4WD and 320 hp and 340 pound-feet of torque with 2WD. GM's Vortec is one of the best V8s around, though Chrysler's 5.7-liter Hemi V8 and Toyota's new 5.7-liter V8 are also quite impressive. When you floor it, it actually feels like it has more horsepower than advertised, considering the weight of our test vehicle was 5758 pounds.
There's a smooth four-speed automatic transmission to go with it, and with all that torque, a fifth speed in the transmission might not be needed, though the big Japanese V8 SUVs all have five- or six-speed automatic transmissions. In the Yukon XL, the 5.3-liter V8 is FlexFuel capable, meaning the engine can run on either unleaded regular fuel or E85 (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline).
If you need more power for towing, get the optional 366-hp 6.0-liter V8, which boasts 380 pound-feet of torque, handy for getting up Southern California's Grapevine and other steep grades.
If you have a seriously heavy trailer you can choose one of the 2500 series models, which have a 352-hp 6.0-liter V8 with 383 pound-feet of torque.
You can also opt for the Denali XL, with its Corvette-based 6.2-liter engine making 380 hp and 417 pound-feet of stump-pulling twist.
Active Fuel Management is standard on the 5.3-liter V8 and the 6.0-liter V8 in 1500 models. AFM shuts down four of the eight cylinders when they're not needed to save fuel. But there's one big catch: all the cylinders are needed virtually all time, unless you're totally off the throttle, in which case they all basically shut down anyhow. So the amount of fuel saved is questionable.
Fuel economy with the 5.3 V8 and 2WD is an EPA City/Highway-rated 14/20 miles per gallon. We drove nearly 300 miles in a 2WD Yukon XL in an even split between around town and running 75 mph on the freeway, and averaged 15.8 mpg. With the 6.0-liter V8, the EPA ratings are lower at 12/17 City/Highway. (Better is the Yukon Hybrid's 21/22 mpg.)
Ride quality in the Yukon XL is excellent, overall. Even when the optional 20-inch wheels are chosen, the suspension deals deftly with road imperfections and potholes. We prefer taller tires on our trucks, however. The Yukon XL is very stable, though it wallows a bit on undulating freeways.
The rack-and-pinion steering feels fairly direct, though as in other big SUVs it is a bit slow. Also like all large SUVs, the Yukon XL is prone to body lean in turns and doesn't respond well to quick changes of direction. It's a full-size truck and needs to be driven accordingly and with respect for others, not like it's a sports car.
AutoRide, the optional self-leveling suspension, is a high-tech, active suspension, meaning it electronically adjusts to the road, as read by sensors. It reduces some of that body lean in corners, as well as nose dive under hard braking.
Hard winds can blow it around. Driving in an 25-mph crosswind on the freeway at 75 miles per hour, our Yukon XL swayed all over the road, because of its billboard-like profile. So if you're pulling a 20-foot enclosed trailer, you'll want to slow down in heavy wind.
The brakes feature big vented rotors, 13 inches up front and 13.5 inches in the rear. This adds up to security and safety when you're trying to get stopped with a boat or trailer pushing you from behind. The brakes on these GM trucks are far better than they were a decade or so ago if you have memory of those.
The GMC Yukon XL, like the Chevy Suburban, continues to be a fine choice for use as a tow vehicle. The 5.3-liter Vortec V8 makes plenty of horsepower and torque for towing, and two more powerful engines are available. The interior ambiance is inviting, and there is plenty of room inside. We do wonder why there are no side-impact airbags, though. The Yukon XL is an excellent choice for drivers who need the towing capability or the heavy duty chassis and rugged suspension of a full-size truck. Those who don't need true truck capability might want to look at the GMC Acadia.
Sam Moses filed this report to NewCarTestDrive.com from the Pacific Northwest's Columbia River Valley. Correspondent Kirk Bell contributed from Chicago.
Model Lineup
GMC Yukon XL 2WD SLE 1500 ($38,185), 4WD SLE 1500 ($40,985); 2WD SLE 2500 ($39,585), 4WD SLE 2500 ($42,385); 2WD SLT 1500 ($39,020), 4WD SLT 1500 ($41,810), 2WD SLT 2500 ($40,380), 4WD SLT 2500 ($43,180); 2WD Denali ($48,130), AWD Denali ($51,175).
Assembled In
Janesville, Wisconsin; Silao, Mexico.
Options As Tested
4SB package ($3,705) with heated 12-way adjustable front seats with lumbar adjustment; memory for the driver's seat and mirrors; Bose nine-speaker audio system with subwoofer; roof rack; and power-folding exterior mirrors with integrated turn signals, driver's side auto-dimming, and reverse tilting; navigation system ($2,250); P275/55R20 tires on polished aluminum wheels ($1,795); rear DVD entertainment system ($1,295); power sunroof ($995); second-row bucket seats ($490); power control to fold second-row seats ($425); power liftgate with lift glass ($400); rearview camera system ($250); three-passenger third-row seat ($100); heated washer fluid ($85).
Model Tested
GMC Yukon XL SLT 1500 2WD ($39,020).The GMC Yukon XL 1500 has a fresh and comfortable interior. Redesigned in 2007 it has a sleek new body mounted on a new, stronger and stiffer frame with a new power steering system, improved brakes, new front suspension and reworked rear suspension. Available in 2WD or 4WD and in three trims the Yukon XL 1500 seats up to nine passengers and is rated to tow up to 8100 pounds when properly equipped. Equipped with a four-speed automatic transmission, the SLE and SLT trims have a choice of four V8 engines, two of which are E85 fuel compatible. A 320-hp 5.3-liter V8 is standard on rear-wheel drive models, a 310-hp 5.3-liter V8 is standard with four-wheel drive. A 366-hp 6.0 liter V8 is optional. A 380-hp 6.2-liter V8 and six-speed automatic transmission are exclusive to the Denali trim. Safety features standard on all models include dual-stage front airbags, side curtain airbags, four-wheel antilock brakes with dynamic rear proportioning, Stabilitrak stability control system with rollover mitigation, tire pressure monitoring system, and OnStar. The 2008 model is a carryover from 2007.
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airwalk wrote:I use the natural rolls cut into itty bitty pieces, Zukes mini training treats and itty bitty bits of hot dog.
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Figgy's Grain-free Fish Treats
1 15oz can mackerel (do not drain)
1 box potato starch
Mix both ingredients together in a bowl...add water to moisten if needed. Mix until combined. Spread on a greased cookie sheet, and bake 30-45 minutes or until grayish-brown and golden brown around the edges. Will be very rubbery underneath when cut, with a crust on top. Cut into small squares. Store in an airtight container in the refrigerator or freezer.
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TinaMartin wrote:I love your recipes! Its going to get to the point where Charles is going to automatically ask is this for me or the dogs?
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Move over mashed potatoes! This winter why not try something different like roasted root vegetables? Parsnips, rutabagas, beets, carrots, fennel, etc. go great with rich meats or as a side dish or antipasto. As autumn comes to an end and fresh vegetables are harder to come by we like to mix and match our root veggies. For example why not add potatoes or carrots to your mashed potatoes adding a bit of color and complexity to the taste. It's easy to do too, simply peel the carrots or beets and dice and boil in the same pot as the potatoes. Then mash'em, adding in your butter and milk. You can also braise or grill certain root vegetables.
On a side note: I grew up hating beets because my parents forced us to eat them from a can! It was horrific. I promise you that fresh picked beets taste nothing like the tinned variety.
Root vegetables are rich in nutrients, low in fat and calories, inexpensive and usually available throughout the year. Beyond that, they have wildly varying characteristics. Radishes are pungent, carrots sweet, beets earthy. Others, like parsnips, turnips, and rutabagas, have more subtle flavors. Root vegetables preserve well in the ground or in a dry cool place.
|Fresh from the garden carrots and "candles of fire" beets
Roasted Root Vegetables
Keep in mind that different veggies have different cooking times. For instance the beets will need to be boiled & skinned first, where as the carrot can be roasted raw.
serves 6
1 bulb fennel
2-3 med. beets (we use a long variety, but you can use the classic round beet as well)
a bunch of baby carrots or 2-3 normal carrots, peeled & left whole
couple cloves of garlic, skins removed
handful of parsley leaves, whole
salt & pepper
olive oil
In a pot of boiling water, cook the beets until a knife easily slips through them. Drain & allow to cool. Once you can handle them, rub the beets with a damp kitchen rag & the skins will slough off. If you are using long beets like the photo above, simply quarter them length wise. For the traditional round beets, cut them into 1 inch square chunks.
Take the fennel, cut in half & remove the bottom core by cutting an inverted 'V' at the base. Then simply slice the fennel lengthwise into inch wide pieces.
If you have baby carrots, just clean them up & throw them in whole, they look gorgeous! If not, cut your carrots by quartering them lengthwise - use your judgement & try to keep your cuts similar to the size of your fennel.
Toss all the root veggies in a bowl with a couple cloves of garlic left whole, a few pinches of salt & crack of pepper, finishing with 2-3 glugs of olive oil. Toss everything together & layout out a baking pan with parchment paper.
Bake in a hot oven 400 F or 200 C for about 30-35 minutes. Remove from the oven, give everything. If you have a convection setting turn it on now, if not raise the temp. to 425 or 215 C. Continue roasting for another 15-25 minutes depending on the size you cut your vegetables. The cooking time is generally about an hour in total, I like to keep it in until the edges get the burny crispy edges. Five minutes before the veggies are done add you whole parsley leaves atop & give it another turn. Be careful not to leave it in too much longer, you don't want the parsley to burn, but just wilt.
Serve with a drizzle of really good olive oil & serve with anything: roasted chicken, grilled meats, fish, put it on cibatta bread with soft cheese - all by itself, you name it, it's delish!


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Wednesday, April 02, 2014
Bring all my mules up here and kick 'em one time! (far east edition)
Is this the latest K-POP boy band sensation? Are all Yakuza congenitally incontinent? Are they so chickensh*t that they don't get tatoos on the parts underneath the diaper? Is that the Iron Chef in the middle? What in the sam hill do they got on their feets?
I think that should just about cover it here in "Today in WTF".
3 comments:
- Peter McIlhon said...
For the record, K-Pop is Korean. Yakuza is Japanese.
- 11:41 AM, April 02, 2014
- Angus said...
LOL, no, K-POP is from Kapan!
- 2:04 PM, April 02, 2014
- newbigprinz said...
Angus ... those look (too small for my eyeballs) like tabi ... "socks" with a separation for the big toe to wear with sandals or geta.
You really do need to buy the Zatoichi blu-ray box from Criterion. Your welcome.
Get a pair of tabi here: http://store.japan-zone.com/blog/how-to-wear-tabi
- 4:57 PM, April 03, 2014
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