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Rebecca's experience and that of other women Atheists, changes how I feel about the Atheist Community. I especially lost respect for Richard Dawkins after reading his sarcastic comment.
It Stands to Reason, Skeptics Can Be Sexist Too
It wasn't until I started talking about feminism to skeptics that I realized I didn't have a safe space.
My YouTube page and many of my videos were flooded with rape "jokes," threats, objectifying insults, and slurs. A few individuals sent me hundreds of messages, promising to never leave me alone. My Wikipedia page was vandalized. Graphic photos of dead bodies were posted to my Facebook page.
Twitter accounts were made in my name and used to tweet horrible things to celebrities and my friends. (The worst accounts were deleted by Twitter, but some, such as this one, are allowed to remain so long as they remove my name.) Entire blogs were created about me, obsessively cataloging everything I've ever said and (quite pathetically) attempting to dig up dirt in my past.
...they were often adults who were active in the skeptic and atheist communities.
These were "my people," and they were the worst.
... The Amazing Meeting (TAM), a skeptics' conference in Las Vegas... I finally stopped attending TAM when the organizers blamed me and other harassed women in our community for driving women away by talking about our harassment.
... the goals of skeptics are good ones ...
Those goals will never be met if we continue to fester as a middling subculture that not only ignores social issues but is actively antagonistic toward progressive thought.
For the most part, the people harassing us aren't just fishing for a reaction—they want our silence. They're angry that feminist thought has a platform in "their community." What they don't get is that it's also my community.
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Seems to me that the goals of Atheism Plus are not only desirable but essential for reclaiming our community, for women and everyone else!
We are...
- Atheists plus we care about social justice,
- Atheists plus we support women's rights,
- Atheists plus we protest racism,
- Atheists plus we fight homophobia and transphobia,
- Atheists plus we use critical thinking and skepticism.
The battle over definitions of "Atheism Plus" on Urban Dictionary -- complete with obvious vote stuffing -- exemplifies the desire to silence any discussion of very real, non-"nonexistent" misogyny. As Rebecca points out, we can and should be better than that!
The very name atheism plus has turned me away. There is no such thing as atheism, and I hope there never is. I apply atheist, as an adjective, to myself, but I don't want there ever to be some ism that purports to promote some sort of value system. That's what the Humanists do, and the Humanist crowd have been quite successful in propagating their absolutist Christian moralities among atheist communities. I look forward to the day when atheist groups everywhere distance themselves from all Abrahamic values.
As for the Urban Dictionary... "female privilege"... that is language used daily by MtF transsexuals. MtFs are the ultimate slap in the face to feminists and feminist groups all over must wake up to this. Feminism is about removing all stereotypes bounding females in "feminin" stereotypes, MtFs promote the very stereotypes that feminists have long battled against.
I will look into Atheist plus Grinning cat - I need to see what they are about.
From what you post here they sounds awesome.
Patriarchy and religion are inseparable. New (gnu) atheists are in most ways perpetuating the exact same values as Christianity, minus the god part. I can't count how many times I've read/heard "don't throw out the baby with the water". Religion sucks, BECAUSE the values they portray are uninformed and moronic. A female atheist who isn't feminist is IMO completely missing the point of the whole thing. They might as well just to their old godless Christianity morality spiel. Dawkins has always been a total WASP, so what he doesn't believe in gods... he drank the whole WASP coolaid anyway. Just like so many other new atheists.
I agree, Ruth.
I am so sorry that women who are atheists apparently have to suffer because there are hostile and socially inept male atheists.
Damnit, we women are atheists too, and deserve respect and equality!
I am grateful to Rebecca and you for speaking out about all of this. To hell with Dawkins, since he takes the side of the oppressors.
I agree with you Mary.
It is good to get this issue out in the open.
Geez, why is this still an issue and why does it seem to be getting worse, the US election really opens the light on it. In this age of Hillary Clinton and other strong empowered women this renewed vile attitude from men. Unfortunately the young girls and women coming up are making themselves look and act like stupid sluts. Look at the Halloween costumes for women and the various duck/cleavage shots thrown about on facebook.
It's the trouble with civilisation. The human experience, outside of technological adventures, is restricted to a single lifespan. There is never anything acquired from society, everything we consider to be 'culture' is simply whatever sort of norms and moralities were taught to us in our formative years. This idea we delude ourselves that a battle won in a previous period can carry-over to future generations is just an illusion. We must fight for all causes, as each generation comes along.
One of the things that gets me is that her original message wasn't even really feminist. You want more women to show up at your conventions? You want to have sex with them? Here's how you do it ... or at least here's how you don't not do it.
Only the assholes who resort to neuro-linguistic programming or the shit that The Pickup Artist pushes couldn't get this sort of message. These are the sorts of guys who need a remedial course in social interaction. Those who would use those kinds gimmicks (like my ex-roommate) aren't even likely to benefit from them, even if they did work (I have serious doubts; I smell a huge pile of false association (such as powdered rhino horn giving you huge erections) and confirmation bias), since they'll likely creep the girls out and drive them off, once they go off-script and resume interacting as they would without the training.
Are we saying that Atheists which usually are made up of geeks/nerds who are known to be socially inept and lacking in experience are more apt to act like Asshats towards women like this? I feel that's a bit of a cop-out.
Not an excuse, just an explanation.
And there are geeks in any social grouping. We just have a lot of online activity, in the atheist community, due to the small percentage of vocal atheists in most areas. Geeks feel more comfortable being active in an online forum and bring their social ineptitude and misogyny to the table.
It's only recently that atheists have attracted the geek/nerd crowd, atheistic thought used to be the domain of philosophers and atheists and activists. But since "gnu-atheism", lead by Humanists, the atheist movement has taken on this geek persona... Personally, I wouldn't mind getting rid of this persona.
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Chair Ann Hicks, Edythe Abdullah, Terry Bowen, Toni Crawford, Bruce Taylor.
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Chair Hicks asked for a motion to approve the previous minutes circulated prior to the meeting. The minutes were approved unanimously. The meeting convened at 12:15 p.m.
The Lady Ospreys basketball team was recognized and presented with roses. The team was ranked No. 11 in the final NCAA Division II national poll released Monday by the Women's Basketball Coaches Association, marking the first time in the 11-year history of the program that UNF finished the season ranked in the Top 25. The Lady Ospreys ended the 2002-03 season with a 20-12 overall record and advanced to the Elite Eight in their first NCAA Tournament appearance.
Coach Mary Tappmeyer introduced assistant coach Nancy Miller stating that she had done an amazing job and was primarily responsible for recruiting the team.
Trustee Hicks thanked the team - Dyann Busse, Rachel Clower, Leigh Gaudy, Natalie Hicks, Latisha Perry, Chelsea Headley, Kayla Sheldon, Skye Barber, C.C. Woolfolk, Amoria Bird, Jackie Beik, Jamala Mitchell, Carolynn Smith, Mikel Taylor, Sara Wallace, and Megan Schumann - Coach Tappmeyer and Coach Miller on behalf of the trustees, for being such great ambassadors for UNF.
Vice President Camp spoke of his pleasure in presenting a proposition for the first master's degree program in the natural sciences, stating that it was a dream of the faculty in Biology. Dr. Camp introduced Dr. Greg Ahearn, UNF's new chair in Biology, speaking of Dr. Ahearn's wealth of experience in graduate education and outside funding. The two degrees (M.S. with thesis and M.A. without thesis) would meet the needs of teachers and professionals working in areas such as healthcare, water management, and other local industries. There would be two tracks in each degree program: ecology/environmental biology and micro/molecular biology. The numbers of positions and hires in the fields in Northeast Florida provided strong evidence of a need for the programs.
Trustee Tony Crawford inquired about the additional resources for funding. Dr. Camp explained that the proposal provided a detailed plan for resources needed and sources for these resources. Dr. Ahearn explained that they were in the process of applying for grants and hiring two additional instructors who would bring grants with them and that the proposed program was likely to increase external grant funding for basic biological research at UNF. Dr. Rossi, Assistant Professor in Biology, explained that he also would be submitting a grant. Trustee Crawford asked if there was any likelihood of receiving funds from the State. Dr. Serwatka stated that some of the funds had already been budgeted by the university for new positions. In addition to funds received from the State, the faculty anticipated the ability to match those funds. They anticipated an enrollment of 6-10 students the first year. The program would eventually enroll approximately 30 students. Full-time students would be enrolled for 9 credit hours during the fall and spring semesters. During the summer semester, students would enroll for 1-3 credit hours. FTE's were based on 34 credit hours per year per student.
Trustee Abdullah asked if there were any technology courses and why there were no database courses. Dr. Ahearn replied that faculty were already using these databases for their research and that as the program expands that was one area where they might be able to add new coursework.
The committee voted to recommend approval of the program.
Dr. Camp began by explaining the promotion and tenure process. He explained that granting tenure was the most critical and important decision a university could make. At UNF this decision was based on a long and thorough process that began at the department level. The chair reviewed recommendations, it was then forwarded to the dean of the college for review, and on to the University Promotion and Tenure Committee made up of faculty members from each of the colleges. The committee spent approximately 6-7 weeks reading and discussing dossiers. From there, the Provost performed a similar review and wrote his recommendations. Recommendations were then sent to the President for review, and finally, a decision was made to recommend or not recommend. The candidates presented for promotion and tenure, Mark Dickman, Gordon Brock and J. B. Scott (Department of Music), J. Michael Francis (History), Mei-Quin Zhan (Mathematics and Statistics), Chery Van Deusen (Marketing, Management, and Logistics), Ajayi Adewale (Computer and Information Systems), Michael Hallett, and Adam Shapiro (Sociology and Criminal Justice), and Michael Lentz (Biology), had all successfully completed the review process and were recommended to the Board of Trustees for tenure.
Dr. Camp explained that sometimes faculty who came to the University with tenure would be required to go through the same process that new faculty, who did not have tenure, went through. On other occasions, tenure would become a condition of hire. In these situations, the candidate's record would be examined by the hiring department, and a vote would be taken among tenured faculty in the department. The college dean, Provost and President would also need to approve tenure, as would the Board of Trustees. One such candidate was also presented to the Committee: Dr. Michael Hervok, a proposed faculty member in Psychology.
Chair Hicks asked what happened to course surveys where students rated a professor. Dr. Camp explained that they were used by faculty. These data were also used in post tenure review. The Committee approved the motion to forward the nominations to the Board of Trustees.
Kathe Kasten, Dean, College of Education, requested that the committee recommend approval of increased credit hour requirements for a set of undergraduate programs. The increase would cause the programs to exceed the 120 hour rule, necessitating approval from the Board of Trustees. The increase in hours resulted from State mandates to increase teacher training hours in the area of literacy and to provide specific groups of teachers with ESOL endorsement.
A motion was made to approve the request.
Kathy Klein, assistant Athletics Director, gave a brief background report regarding Athletics' Gender Equity Study. She explained that annually Florida's public universities completed Gender Equity Progress Reports for their respective athletics programs. The Division of Colleges and Universities requested that each board of trustees review and approve its university's report.
Klein referred to UNF's 2002 report. The report documented UNF's successes in achieving its long-term goals and in providing expanded opportunities for female and male athletes. The University had made exceptional progress toward the goal of offering participation opportunities in direct proportion to the University's undergraduate enrollment. While UNF had not achieved direct proportionality at this point, the University continued to be in compliance with Title IX through Part Two of its three-part test in demonstrating a "history and continuing practice of program expansion for the underrepresented sex."
A motion was made and passed to recommend approval of the report.
Lina Monell, Director of Equal Opportunity Programs, gave a quick summary of the Equity Accountability program, enacted in 1992 by the Florida Legislature requiring the establishment of a program to increase the number of women and minorities in three different job groups: senior-level administrative positions, academic administrative positions, and ranked faculty positions. The program required that an annual Equity Accountability Plan be submitted by April 1 of each year by the university President to the State Board of Education, Division of Colleges and Universities. This year a draft was submitted by April 1 and the final report would be submitted by May 1, pending Board of Trustees' approval.
After discussion on the report, a motion was made and passed to recommend approval of the plan.
The meeting was adjourned at 1:35 p.m.

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MONTRÉAL, QUEBEC--(Marketwire - March 15, 2013) - Some of the world's most accomplished and promising minds working in diverse scientific disciplines will receive significant support from the Harper Government, through the Canada Research Chairs program, to pursue world-class research at post-secondary institutions across Canada. The Honourable Christian Paradis, Minister of Industry, today announced an investment of $25.8 million to support 30 Canada Research Chairs in Quebec as part of the national announcement made by the Honourable Gary Goodyear, Minister of State (Science and Technology).
"Our government is committed to attracting and retaining the world's best and brightest researchers, supporting innovation, creating jobs, and strengthening our economy," said Minister Paradis. "By investing in programs such as the Canada Research Chairs, we are fostering cutting-edge research and the generation of new innovations for the marketplace, which will benefit Canadians."
The Canada Research Chairs program has positioned Canada as an international leader and destination of choice in research and development. In total, the Harper Government will provide $90.6 million in support to 120 newly awarded and renewed Canada Research Chairs. The research, which will be conducted at 39 Canadian institutions, has potential benefits for Canadians and their families, businesses, practitioners and policy-makers. Of this total, 19 researchers have been recruited from abroad, including 10 Canadians returning to work in their home country-demonstrating the success of the program in attracting and supporting research excellence in Canada.
The Canada Research Chairs program invests approximately $300 million per year toward research in engineering and the natural sciences, health sciences, humanities and social sciences.
Dr. Stéphanie Lehoux, Canada Research Chair in Cardiovascular Physiology at McGill University, is one of the 120 Canada Research Chairs announced today. Dr. Lehoux and her team are investigating the fundamental biology of major cardiovascular diseases such as hypertension and atherosclerosis. They are studying the delicate balance of blood vessels, focusing on the cells that line the walls of our arteries. By understanding the molecular basis of cardiovascular disease, Dr. Lehoux hopes to uncover new ways to prevent and treat the vascular diseases that claim the lives of thousands of Canadians each year.
"The Canada Research Chairs program continues to support and attract many of the world's top researchers to Canadian post-secondary institutions," said Chad Gaffield, President of the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada and Chair of the Canada Research Chairs Steering Committee. "With the support of federal research investments announced today, chairholders will enhance our understanding of critical issues in ways that will improve our quality of life and strengthen Canada's international competitiveness."
Since 2006, the Harper Government has invested nearly $8 billion in initiatives supporting science, technology and the growth of innovative firms in Canada, including $5 billion for advanced research, education and training; $2 billion for post-secondary infrastructure; and $1 billion for applied research and financing. This funding has helped to make Canada a world leader in post-secondary education research and to create the knowledge and highly skilled workforce that are required for a prosperous economy.
As outlined by the Prime Minister, the Harper Government remains focused on what Canadians care most about: their families, the safety of our streets and communities, pride in being a citizen of this country and personal financial security.
A complete list of chairholders is available on the Canada Research Chairs website (www.chairs-chaires.gc.ca/chairholders-titulaires/index-eng.aspx).
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For the three year period from 1998 through 2000, accidents caused by red light running resulted in two fatalities, 502 injuries and 682 cases of property damage in Lincoln. Based on figures estimated by the National Safety Council, the costs associated with the red light accidents totals more than $25.3 million or $8.4 million a year.
The Police Department received a $20,000 mini-grant from the Nebraska Office of Highway Safety to provide extra enforcement. "We are targeting busy intersections and those that have a higher rate of accidents, but we could be at any intersection in the city at any given time," said Sergeant Dan Schmidt of the Lincoln Police Department's Traffic Enforcement Unit. Those running red lights face a $50 fine plus courts costs of $23.
The Nebraska Office of Highway Safety and the city Public Works and Utilities Department are funding the educational campaign. Public service announcements will air on local television and radio stations. Several informational booths will be set up in the community, including one at the County-City Building. Promotional items will be distributed through driver training programs of the Lincoln-Lancaster County Health Department and the Nebraska Safety Council. The Federal Highway Administration and the Nebraska Trucking Association are also supporting the campaign.
The city worked with the National Office of Highway Safety on a similar program in 1997. Of the 32 cities chosen to participate in the pilot program, Lincoln's was given a national safety award for the planning, development and evaluation of its Red Light Running campaign. The national red light running awareness campaign is scheduled for October, and local officials plan to participate in that effort as well.
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Buying an adorable puppy or kitten at your local pet store may become a thing of the past, if more American cities join a small but growing movement to ban retail pet sales.
West Hollywood, Calif., became the latest city to put a leash on pet sales in February, when its city council unanimously approved an ordinance prohibiting sales of dogs and cats in retail stores. Albuquerque, N.M., and South Lake Tahoe, Calif., have also banned pet sales. Other cities in Florida, New Mexico, Missouri and elsewhere are considering similar bans on the sale of dogs and cats.
Animal advocates say pet store sales fuel the puppy mill industry, where dogs are bred and raised in cramped, unhealthy and inhumane conditions. They have similar concerns about "kitten factories," which are a smaller but growing problem. Efforts to crack down on animal mills have been hindered by limited enforcement resources, so ban proponents are shifting their focus from the supply side to the demand. Far better, they say, to adopt from a local shelter or buy directly from a reputable breeder.
"People have got to wake up to the fact that [most] dogs coming from pet stores are coming from puppy mills," said Mary Jo Dazey, a stay-at-home mom from St. Louis, Mo., who has been working to shut down puppy mills in her state for several years.
There are no official statistics on how many pet-store dogs come from puppy mills. Between 2 million and 4 million dogs are born in U.S. puppy mills every year, according to the Humane Society, and many of those dogs do end up in pet stores — in addition to being sold over the internet, through newspaper classifieds and in other venues.
"Every time we do a pet store investigation [after a complaint], we find that puppy mills are the suppliers," said Stephanie Shain, senior director of the Humane Society's puppy mills campaign.
Shain said she believes that if animal-lovers became better educated, they wouldn't want to buy from pet stores that may be supplied by puppy mills.
Public sentiment does, in fact, seem to be veering away from pet store animals. A recent poll by the Associated Press-Petside.com found that more than half of those surveyed planned to get their next cat or dog from a shelter, seven times the number who said they'd buy from a pet store. And four in 10 said they thought store pets could have hidden physical or psychological problems due to overbreeding or other issues.
A 'guilt-free shopping experience'
Of course, in cities with bans in places, even if people want to buy from a pet store, they can't. The West Hollywood pet sale ban got a lot of attention, but it was more symbolic than anything else since no pet stores there were actually selling animals when it went into effect. South Lake Tahoe's ban passed in 2009, but doesn't take effect until 2011.
To see what really happens when a city bans pet sales, you have to go to Albuquerque, N.M. The Southwestern city banned sales of "companion animals," including cats and dogs, in 2006, and has seen a marked, positive effect, said Peggy Weigle, executive director of Animal Humane New Mexico.
Since the ban started, animal adoptions have increased 23 percent and euthanasia at city shelters has decreased by 35 percent.
"By stopping these pet shops," Weigle said, "what you're really doing is you're reducing the demand for puppy-mill puppies."
At the same time, Weigle said, her private animal shelter has stepped in to fill the place of pet stores for people who want pets but don't necessarily want to brave the city shelter. In February, Animal Humane New Mexico opened a boutique-style adoption center with just a few hand-picked animals — mostly puppies, many of them pure-bred dogs that were abandoned or rescued by the shelter — so that people could "shop" for shelter dogs in a pleasant, retail-like environment.
Her goal was to adopt out 45 animals in the first month; instead, they placed 118 animals in new homes. Adoptions have been so plentiful, Weigle said, that her organization is preparing to open a second adoption boutique. Weigle said she recently had a young purebred Yorkshire Terrier available for adoption for just $135, the standard adoption fee.
"Many people will say, 'Oh, I just can't go to the shelter, it's just too sad,'" Weigle said. "But if you make a guilt-free shopping experience available, and they don't have to be confronted with 100 homeless pets staring them in the face, the shopping experience is very parallel to a pet store. If you give the public a choice to shop in that kind of an environment, they will."
Focus on breeders instead?
While Albuquerque animal advocates tout their success as a model for other cities, pet store owners argue that it's not fair to take away their livelihood because of a few bad apples. They say puppy-mill and kitten-factory foes should focus instead on cracking down on breeders who are breaking the law.
"The fact of the matter is that puppies sold by pet stores frequently come from highly reputable breeders who provide healthy loving pets to the public," said Michael Maddox, vice president of government affairs and general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council, an industry group based in Washington, D.C. "Notwithstanding isolated anecdotal stories that misrepresent pet store puppies, the vast majority of customers who bring home their canine companion from a pet store are supremely satisfied with the experience."
Dana Derraugh, owner of Le Petit Puppy in New York City, says she hates puppy mills as much as any animal lover. She specializes in small breeds suited to city life, and sells about five dogs a week from her upscale shop in Greenwich Village.
"When you go to a shelter, you don't know what you're going to get. A lot of them have emotional baggage. You're taking a risk," Derraugh said. Her clean, homey store, decorated with photos of celebrity clients like Sarah Jessica Parker, sells Pomeranians for $699, Chihuahuas for $799, and something she calls a "Chiweenie" — a Chihuahua-Daschund cross — for $950.
She gives her cell phone number to clients, so they can call anytime with questions or worries about their new puppies. "I feel like my mission is not just to sell the dog, but to hold your hand," Derraugh said.
She said she buys only from reputable breeders, though she declined to name them or say where they are located. Derraugh said eliminating pet store sales would hurt consumers by reducing competition: "The prices will go way up, there will be less puppies."
Laura Ellis, who bred collies on her farm in Vermont for 30 years before moving to New York City, said Derraugh is an example of a dog store owner who gets it right. She bought her Papillion, Penny, from Le Petit Puppy in October after researching every conceivable option.
While she understands why some people might want to rescue a dog from a shelter, that wasn't what she was looking for, and she makes no apologies for it.
"I don't want other people's problems. I just wanted to start fresh," Ellis said.
"The main thing is, [Le Petit's] puppies are happy. They're high quality, well run, humane. I don't see what there is to complain about," Ellis said. "It's a pretty good life for a puppy."


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pfadt and pedders coilovers
can someone explain the difference between the two other than the price
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We can not speak to any negatives of a competitors product, but we can talk about the benefits of our own, and how they were engineered.
Below, I have included a feature sheet on our front and rear GM licensed coilovers. Click on that to get a larger version. These are the exact coilovers that GM came to us to install on the Chevrolet Camaro SSx. The fact that we are a engineering company, dedicated to suspension development was an important aspect when they chose to utilize and license all of our Pfadt products installed on the SSx. You can read more about the Chevrolet SSx here : http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...&highlight=ssx
Part of our philosophy, is development through testing and racing. We are engineers, not salesman. We take what we learn from racing and distribute that knowledge into our products that are made for a comfortable, but performance based street ride. We have engineering data and competition to back it up. We commit to real racing, against other Camaros, and consistently come out on top. Just ask Erik at Torq how much success he has had using our coilovers and competing against 5th gens. At the Camaro5 Fest autocross last year, only Pfadt suspension took victories. Now, these are also the only coilovers homologated into SCCA World Challenge Competition.
Give me a shout if you have any specific questions regarding our coilovers and their development. There is a lot to talk about, and some people will give you meaningless points to confuse you. But our coilovers that were developed specifically for the 5th Generation Camaro, not a similar platform, are a perfect combination of street durability, comfort and performance when you need it.
Here is also a short video outlining the performance gains you can expect to see with Pfadt coilovers.
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Since nobody has posted it up yet. Pedders is also a GM Performance selected product. Licensed by GM Performance. Pulled the info below direct from the Pedders site for your reading entertainment.
Coilover FACTS.
Pedders New Advanced SuperCar Coil Overs
Pedders USA, LLC is proud to release the most advanced 5th Generation Camaro suspension -- Pedders SportsRyder Supercar Coilovers. These are 52mm high pressure monotubes with reservoirs the size of beer cans. They feature 30 positive click adjustments on the bound and 30 positive click adjustment on the rebound making setup as easy as Click, Tune, Game On!!!
These are not your Grandmother's itty bitty flick your Bic lighter size canisters. These are CANISTERS!
Pedders 46mm fixed bound and rebound adjustable Xa coilovers set the pace for all the 5th Gen Camaros at the Optima Challenge last year. Running a full Justice Package with the Xa coilovers Pedders Camaro clocked Z06 speed laps at Gingerman. The new 52mm monotubes are 27% larger in surface diameter. This is important on the track and on the street because the greater the volume of oil in the damper, the smoother the action will be with increased control. Add to the larger monotube diameter HUGE remote reservoirs and the Supercar coilovers have over 50% more oil. More oil not only smoothes the damping action, it dissipates heat better leading to greater consistency under the most demanding conditions.
Why would you need to have these gorgeous mechanical works of art on your 5th Gen Camaro? Great question!
1. Many 5th Gen Camaro owners lust after the sexy look of the prototypes that electrified the Camaro community and car enthusiast around the world, but they want to have the OE ride quality. Pedders Xa coilovers adjust ride height by screwing the monotube in and out of the lower mount. This preserves jounce travel and ride quality. The SportsRyder Supercar Coilovers use the same technology with the largest oil capacity available. Combine the benefits of the increased oil capacity with independent bound and rebound adjustment and your sex on wheels lowered Camaro will deliver ride quality that some feel is better than OE. That is from fellow Camaro owners that have been out in my Camaro on 305/30/19 Bridgestones mounted on Forgeline 19x10.5 wheels all around and dropped to the ground! It seems that you can have it all with Pedders!
2. Drag shocks / struts 90/10s help lower ETs, but should never be driven on the street. No one wants to be in an off camber turn, with a bump in the road driving on 90/10s
Pedders SportsRyder Supercar coilovers are the solution. At the strip set the front struts to full SOFT on the rebound and full HARD on the bound. The rear struts are set to full SOFT on the bound and full HARD on the rebound. These settings allow the front to pop up and the rear to squat for excellent weight transfer. Are they as good as dedicated drag shocks -- no -- BUT they are road course, autocross, drag strip and daily driver capable. You can drive to the strip with amazing control; tear up the strip with your drag settings and then drive home SAFELY with your street settings on coilovers that are road course capable with daily driver comfort. You can have it all.
3. You want to run road courses and autocross until your tires melt. You have years of experience and want to be able to adjust your setup exactly the way you want it. SportsRyder Supercar Coilovers are exactly what you want. HUGE reservoirs for heat dissipation, 30 positive clicks for bound adjustment with 30 positive clicks for rebounds adjustment, height adjustment that will not alter spring preload and a WARRANTY that covers your coilovers for racing as long as your Camaro is street legal. How could it get any better?
Paul Tracy in the Pedders Camaro[/URL]
Chris Brannon Runs Gingerman[/URL]
Chris Brannon Trackside[/URL]
All of these videos were shot with our 46mm Xa coilovers. The 52mm SportsRyder Supercar Coilovers are smoother and allow more flexibility in trackside setup. The ridiculous numbers the Pedders Camaro put up on track with Xas, what can I say, the car is better with the 52mm SportsRyder Supercar Coilovers. Gingerman is open so Pedders will be post new videos from our track sessions on the SportsRyder Supercar Coilovers. I can tell you with the Supercar Coilovers installed on my Camaro since December not a mile has gone by that I did not have a smile on my face.
4. Your Camaro has nothing but the best installed. Your engine mods are best-of-class. Your driveline has been upgraded to 1,000 RWHP capable. You invested in the strongest lightest wheels available. Now you are ready for the best-of-class in suspension. 52mm HUGE Remote Reservoir, Independent Bound and Rebound Adjustable, Height Adjustment that does Not Alter Jounce Travel SportsRyder Supercar Coilovers are your solution of choice.
Camaro Justice[/URL]
The Justice Package will include all the suspension components that erased 7 seconds off the lap time of a stock 2 SS at Gingerman Raceway. This track ready package contains the best of the best of what Pedders has to offer, including our COMPETITION sway bar package, SOLUTION C, which creates velocity induced oversteer. In the hands of a skilled SCCA or NASA certified driver, the Justice Package is perfect for the track. The initial Justice Package came with our off the charts great Pedders eXtreme 46mm Xa Coilovers. The Justice Camaro now has our 52mm Remote Reservoir, high pressure nitrogen, independent bound and rebound adjustable Coilovers. Supercar coilovers offer eXtreme flexibility to those knowledgeable in setup. The Track eXtreme combines all the components of the Street II and adds A COMPETITION ONLY Rear Sway bar, all bushes with all of our most HD options, 4 adjustable Endlinks and our new Pedders SportsRyder Supercar Remote Reservoir Coilovers. With the virtual pivot point design and the advanced independent rear suspension your tracked Camaro does not need to be over sprung and over damped. In complete OE trim it will outperform many respected marquees. With a Track II eXtreme System your ZETA II Camaro is ""this close"" to race ready and yet still street comfortable. This is where GM's multibillion dollar investment in the ZETA architecture reaches levels of performance that are as aggressive as the Camaro styling. You really can have it all. Drive to the track in performance comfort, Click to max Performance, and Play to the Max! CLICK, TUNE, PLAY! The look! The handling!! The comfort!!! A Pedderised Camaro offers it all! Your Pedderised ZETA II Camaro will dominate the market. Btw, Pedders Coilovers and Bars are SCCA T2 Legal.
164086[/URL] Camaro Xa Remote Canister
CAMAROSOLUTIONC 27mm F & 32mm R bars & 4 links
EP1167HD Zeta HD Differential Mounts
EP1201HD Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl
EP2112 Zeta Steering Rack/Pinion Mnt
EP6577 Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush
EP7264 Zeta Rear Lower Control Arm In
EP7322 Camaro Rear Upper Control Arm
EP7323 Zeta Rear Trailing ArmToe Link
PDUSACAM2800 Camaro Complete Brake Hose Kit
PDUSACAMFULL Camaro Full Alignment Kit
Every GM owned SEMA Camaro was shown with Pedders coilovers. The Jay Leno Camaro rides on Pedders Coilovers. The GM Indianapolis 500 Camaro Pace Cars ride on Pedders Coilovers, sway bars with sub-frame and radius bush inserts. Doesn't your Camaro deserve Pedders too?
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NA 424 RWHP 379 TORQUE 100 shot 530 RWHP 510 RWT Tuned by Back Street Performance
NA Best: 11.8152 @ 117.11 w/ 1.6949 60'
NOS Best: 11.3307 @ 129.57 w/ 1.708 60ft
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Hey Bmbbl be,
As a distributor for multiple different suspension lines as well as a full service installation and suspension tuning facility the Pfadt Racing coil over system has had the greatest customer feedback of ANY Gen 5 Camaro kit that we sell. Plus after having a chance to run all the different systems on our local track back to back, this is the kit that we chose for our OWN 2010 Camaro that already HAD a different brand of coil over on the car. There REALLY WAS that much of a difference.
Another real world benefit was the adjustability without removing the tires or jacking up the car. So for weekends when you want to carve a few canyons, or if you daily drive your 5th Gen in freeway traffic, adjusting the soft/firm settings is a simple few minute process with literally no tools at all.
Shoot us a PM and let us know how we can help!
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PS, if you want a ride in a Super Coilover Pedderized GTO, let me know neighbor. I live by Chapel Hill Mall and we can arrange something. But you will have to wait until the snow is gone!!
2004 Cosmos GTO M6 (1 of 366)
Stock 296.7 RWHP 324.6 TORQUE
NA 424 RWHP 379 TORQUE 100 shot 530 RWHP 510 RWT Tuned by Back Street Performance
NA Best: 11.8152 @ 117.11 w/ 1.6949 60'
NOS Best: 11.3307 @ 129.57 w/ 1.708 60ft
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As the industry leader in Camaro suspension performance, a lot of people compare themselves to Pfadt, and rightfully so. When you talk to Pfadt, you talk to automotive engineers, not salesmen on the internet. Information from Pfadt comes straight from the horses mouth; the posts that are made from Pfadt are from the actual educated automotive engineers that design the parts. It is important to consider this fact when analyzing information from company salesmen. When manufacturers make an unsolicited attempt to compare themselves to us, we are thrilled because it demonstrates that Pfadt stands as the benchmark. With that said, we have received many inquiries from forum members, confused as to why other manufacturers use this as their sole marketing approach, as opposed to results on a track. So if you were ever confused about engineering facts on a Pfadt coilover suspension, read below to get the info straight from Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE International) members, not salesmen. We race and win on what we engineer for your Camaro.
1. High end purpose built Camaro coilovers are properly engineered to provide maximum adjustment to ride height. Pfadt coilovers adjust the ride height by raising and lowering the spring perch for a reason: they were engineered specifically for the Camaro suspension travel requirements, not adapted from a "similar" platform. Some coilovers may rely on adaptations of existing parts and rely on screwing the body into the lower mount like a one-size-fits-all solution. Pfadt coil overs are properly engineered specifically for the Camaro and as a result have full and proper suspension travel engineered into them. In the case of the Camaro, relying on a threaded body to adjust ride height is a symptom of inadequate engineering resulting in added weight, complexity, and the potential for noise. As a result of our engineering, Pfadt dampers are specific to the Camaro platform (not off the shelf) and the ride quality is unparalleled.
2. High end purpose built Camaro coilovers address the entire mounting system and do not rely on OEM mounts. OEM mounts were designed for a strut, not a coilover. Using the OEM mounts with a coilover, while inexpensive, and an easy solution, is not ideal for any type of performance application. At Pfadt, we aren't in business to give you "good enough." Pfadt replaces the rear mount on the coilover to solve an inherent issue in the non-linear path of the rear shock and spring - in other words, the factory mounts put an undesirable bending moment in the shaft. Use of the rear OEM mount for the spring and shock orientation does not address the inherent binding problem. In a performance application, the cornering loads are increased and only exponentially increases the problem. So what are you gaining? What is the advantage of copying the same design, or adapting it from a "similar" platform? Pfadt has done the engineering necessary to make sure the upper mount in the front and rear can EXCEED the design load requirements of our suspension. Ask anyone who refutes this fact to prove it with any analysis data. Camaro coilovers that use the OEM mounting points in the rear are defaulting to an inferior solution requiring minimal engineering.
3. High end purpose built Camaro coilovers are inverted to reduce unsprung mass and offer the extreme advantage of an enclosed shaft assembly on the front which is completely protected from dirt and debris. Let us be clear: the front shafts on Pfadt Camaro coil overs are completely protected from the elements and will see not one spec of dirt, debris, salt or water. Our system is far superior to any other option and absolutely bullet proof for long term use on the street or the track. The most important question regarding damper longevity is the quality and reliability of the materials and manufacturing. Pfadt Race Engineering uses manufacturing in the United States and Germany for the ultimate in superior construction. Pfadt coilovers offer superior engineering and require no seal maintenance, no gas pressure maintenance, no lubrication maintenance all while offering the performance advantages of an inverted design. If someone is telling you otherwise, it is simply because they can not find anything wrong with the superior design of an inverted shock.
4. High end purpose built Camaro coilovers have options for adjusting Camber and Caster. Pfadt has the only true solution for adjusting caster and camber quickly, safely, and efficiently with our optional upper mounting plates. Products that use a clevis in an attempt to achieve increased negative camber put more stress on the strut geometry, creating the high potential for material fatigue. While extending the clevis is inexpensive and rudimentary it is not an engineered system solution.
5. High end purpose built Camaro coilovers allow you to change spring rates. As we are an engineering company, as well as a racing company, we know a properly designed coilover allows you to use flat-ground, interchangeable springs that are readily available from any spring manufacturer. If you buy something else, you are stuck with what they ship you, and you are gaining nothing over the factory design. If you are paying for a suspension upgrade, shouldnt it have at the bare minimum a spring upgrade?
6. High end purpose built Camaro coilovers have corrosion resistance coatings that last a lifetime. Using Asian suppliers with cheap manufacturing techniques allow for them to cut corners in both material choice, and material coating. Pfadt should know, we have experienced poor coatings from suppliers and long ago engineered a better solution. With out a proper coating, you will end up with rusty spring perch threads, rendering your adjustable coilovers, non-adjustable after a short while. Our coilovers, and all parts for that matter have experienced the harshest environments conceivable, and have held up to the test.
7. Check the facts when researching the company you want to buy coilovers from. Pfadt Race Engineering can offer the following pedigree:
- A Utah company whose Camaro coilovers are manufactured in the United States and Germany. Aside from coilovers our entire Camaro product line is manufactured in the United States. Everyone is familiar with the quality difference between USA components and Asian counterparts.
- Professional backgrounds include tenure at General Motors, Chrysler, and Pratt & Miller Engineering (GM Factory Corvette and Camaro Racing)
- Education backgrounds include degrees from The Rochester Institute of Technology, The University of Utah, Philadelphia University, Penn State University, and The University of Michigan.
- We employ Society of Automotive Engineers professionals, just like select engineers from the Big Three.
- Our company competes in national races to prove our products in multiple markets.
- We are backed by GM Factory Camaro Racing driver Johnny O'Connell, on both 2010 Chevrolet Camaro and C5/C6 Chevrolet Corvette products. This is in addition to having a full suite of products that General Motors came to us to license, including these very coilovers.
The only Camaro race cars that are using commercially available coilovers from a manufacturer are using Pfadt Race Engineering coilovers due to their superior design. This fact does not sit easy with our competition, as they have no leg to stand on when it comes to professional performance. When we compete, we win. We have already been put up against all suspensions on equal cars for the first time at the Camaro5 Fest this past April. And much to our delight, we took victory in both competitions. Only Camaros competed, only Pfadt suspension took 1st place. This is a fact.
The Pfadt coilovers are built to suit street customers as well as racing customers. Having independent compression and rebound adjustment is great aspect to have, if done right, built right, with the correct materials, and adjusted properly, and not just used for a gimmick. There is a LOT more that goes into damper engineering than piston size. We build dampers in house, how many other people on Camaro5 can say that? Do you want us to dyno a coilover and give you the results? We can. Ask others for that info any you will get a confused look. We know how to properly engineer shim stacks to affect low and high speed compression and rebound characteristics. Simply throwing out a piston size makes no more sense in damper terminology than it does in engine building. Can you tell how "smooth" the power will come on by knowing the piston size in your engine? That is a sign that the person you are talking to is merely throwing out "industry buzz words" to confuse and distract the consumer from the inferior quality of their own products.
These are all facts you can count on, from a real American company that does not spin gimmicks, use cheap suppliers or make false claims to compete with other manufacturers.
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PFADT RACING thats alot of good information and thanks for taking time to reply !
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There is a lot of disinformation out there but in my opinion the Pfadt coil overs, while not being the lowest priced option, offer the biggest bang for the buck. For the money they are by far the best engineered and easiest to use coil over system available for these cars. Their coil overs are a big reason why we chose to carry the Pfadt product line over others. When GM built the Camaro SSx to demonstrate what the Camaro is truly capable of when it comes to handling performance they came to the same conclusion. The technical details have been laid out above but if I can be of assistance do not hesitate to hit me up.
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They are both really good products, I know you cant go wrong with either. I chose the Supercar coilover from Peders because I wanted to enhance my launch in the 1/4 and still be able to carve up a track. The ability to get the weight transfer to the back and hold it for traction is amazing. I have hit both the 1/4 and road track with my setup and it is amazing, absolutely everthing I wanted out of my suspension. I have parts from both companies and would not change a thing, they are both great to work with as well. Very helpfull when I did my car and worked together to make sure it would all fit and perform as intended. Both are A+++++ in my book!
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This thread has SHOOTOUT written all over it... LOL. You CAN'T loose with either company
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My experience with Pfadt Coilovers installed since July 2010 has been outstanding. Along with lowering my ride by 1.25" front, 1" rear for a more aggressive stance and dampening setting at Sport Street the ride has improved tremendously over OE.
Coupled with my Pfadt Sport Sway Bars/Endlinks, Rear Trailing Arms/bushings and Control Arm Stiffeners my Camaro feels like its on rails in curves and New Jersey's infamous cloverleaf on/exit ramps. These are the suspension components that should've been standard or at least a performance upgrade. I'm glad Pfadt products are now recognized, licensed and carried by GM Performance Parts - indicative of their leadership in aftermarket Camaro Suspension products.
Aaron and Blair are always accessible, answering all my pre-sales questions professionally and quickly.
For me - aka tjd24 - there is only one choice - Pfadt Race Engineering.
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I can't spend a day at the Milford Proving Grounds without things getting out of control. I guess I have to put a damper on things.
Yes our coilovers are GMPP Licensed. Yes Pedders coilovers were on the 2010 Indy Pace Cars.
Yes, Pedders coilovers are on Jay Leno's Camaro
Pedders coilovers are GMPP licensed for eight different vehicles by my memory. The 2011 Z Spec Cruse and 2012 Sonic concept cars are on Pedders Xa coilovers.
This is where the suspension and rubber meet the road. ONLY Pedders has been a member of the community since June 2007. We supported Camaro5 BEFORE we had anything to sell. Not only have we supported the Camaro5 community, we have kept them informed at every step of the development of the FASTEST documented street legal 5th Gen Camaro. From the CTS-V upgrade, which we do NOT sell and posted ONLY for the benefit of the community to our complete setup including thermal management. Pedders has posted every detail on how to achieve the highest levels of performance.
Drag Racing -- 8.95
Gingerman 1.33
Optima Challenge 1.50
The FASTEST 5th Gens run on Pedders Suspension.
Now that we know who makes the FASTEST suspension for drag and road-course we can move on to the differences of substance. Pedders does NOT make parts for race cars. We make street parts with street friendly urethane, coils and dampers. They are comfortable for daily driver use. We approach our suspension development from a unique perspective.
F1 cars weigh in at about 1,500 pounds. They have rear tire about 15" wide.
Pedders USA track ready 5th Gen with Driver weighs in at 4,183 pounds. To use damping and spring rates similar to an F1 car the rear wheels would need to be 2.87 times wider than a F1 car or 43" each. Conceptually this means that a street car like a Camaro weighs too much, has too much BHP and too much RWHP for the tires that will fit in the wheel wells. To optimise performance we have to take compliance out of the suspension -- gently -- and work within the constraints of available rubber.
NASCAR qualifying on ovals eats rubber. You could say they coil bind thier car to get the fastest lap time. They can't run a race that way becuase the setup eats tires -- becuase a NASCAR setup this way weighs too much, has too much BHP and too much RWHP for the tires that will fit in the wheel wells.
Our bits that are more aggressive are clearly labelled. EP1167 differential bushes are OE like quiet. Our higher durometer EP1167HDs use denser material and transmit more differential noise into the cabin. Our monster strong 32mm rear bar produces an oversteer bias and is labelled for competition use only.
But this thread is more focused on coilovers. For the 5th Gen we use 8Kg coils up front and 10Kg coils in the rear. These are matched to our fixed ratio Xa coilovers that set the fastest lap for a 5th Gen at the Optima Challenge and the fastest 5th Gen lap to date. We released the Supercar Remote Reservoir Independent Bound and Rebound Adjustable units in 2010. We attribute a full second to the Supercar equipped lap time at the Hot Rod Pony car event.
Both our Xa and Supercar coilovers adjust height by screwing the entire monotube into or out of the lower mount to adjust height. Not using the spring perch for height adjustment maintain optimum jounce travel regardless of ride height. Jounce travel, the amount of travel, is critical to ride comfort.
While we believe Pedders has documented every aspect of our Pedders USA Camaro the real bottom line is found on the street and track. It has always been Pedders philosophy to recommend YOU test drive a Pedders suspension before you buy it. All the posts and all the magazine articles mean nothing if you are not happy with your 5th modified suspension. My Dealers tell me that they close 100% of the people that get a test ride or drive in a Pedderised vehicle. I doubt the closing ratio is 100%, but I would be shocked if it wasn't close.
bmbbl be,
I am so confident in the Pedders product range for the 5th Gen Camaro that I'll guarantee your satisfaction. Coordinate your coilover purchase with one of my Dealers including installation. If you are not 100% satisfied with your new Pedders coilovers and installation I will refund you the cost of your parts AND installation. If you desire, we will also return your 5th Gen back to stock.
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You can't go wrong with either company's products. Pfadt is a racing performance company; they design race products that CAN be used on the street; they are more expensive as a result. Pedders is a street performance company; they design street products that CAN be used on the track, and they are less expensive.
It depends on your plans for your car and what you are going to do with it. If you're going to drive 95%+ street and 5% or less track, Pedders is probably the better choice and allows you to buy more stuff because of their lower cost. If you're going to do more than 5% track; lots of autocross, road course type of driving then Pfadt would probably be best if your budget allows for it. But even if you went with Pedders your car would still probably be better than you are on the track unless you're really skilled.
You can mix the two; Pedders and Pfadt. I have Pedders bushings and Xa coilovers, and Pfadt sways and rear trailing arms, and I'm planning on adding their engine mounts soon. Both companies are top-notch and I dare say unless you're a top notch driver, you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference in performance. They both make great products.
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Start: 12:00:54
3rdthawkins: hello vicky
vicky: hello 3rdthawkins looking at this BP mess.. something better give soon
3rdthawkins: what BP?
vicky: Gulf Oil disaster
3rdthawkins: oh, yeah, that is bad well, I do have to some good news to share, I shared it last nite with AYwalton
alt: Hi 3rdthawkins & vicky
vicky: I am hoping storms don't roll in before something is done hello alt!
3rdthawkins: right vicky
vicky: ok share
3rdthawkins: well, you two remember when I was looking for the parents of Hannah Williamson, my grgrgr grandmother Well, some researching I had done a few months ago I didn't look into it, so I decided to look deeper into this woman named Sally Fontaine who was living with a Cilla Cash in 1920 census....................Cilla Cash was also living in 1930 with some Jones relatives and a 5 year old kid named Lawrence Master, my mother's uncle (grandmother's brother) it through me for a loop when I saw Sally living in 1910 with a Jones family,. and the head was Susie Jones, and couldn't understand how she was related to Cilla AND Susie So I did a little thinking and some searching in marriage records for AR for Susie and a man with the last name Jones............wouldn't you know, Susie's name was Isley, but transcribed as Islil and in some places on the marriage certificate was written as Islie, and her name matched my grgrgr grandmother Hannah Williamson's daughter Sousan
alt: okay,,, now you're doing it!!!! going beyond the surface realtionships w/names & dates ... congratualtions 3rdthawkins
vicky: very good detective work 3rd! Congrats
3rdthawkins: I came to the conclusion that the Cilla Cash was my grgr grandmother Katie Isley's sister, and that Susie also was the sister, Sally was listed as both grandmother of Susie and Cilla.............they are sisters, and Sally is Hannah's mother Susie and Cilla are sisters
alt: Hello Selma
Selma: Afternoon folks
vicky: hello Selma!
3rdthawkins: Sally even shows up on the same census about 4 dooors down from Hannah and Alex in 1880
alt: that's what we're talking about in 'cluster research' 3rdthawkins ... ggod job
3rdthawkins: hello Selma
vicky: was this in Hempstead 3rd?
3rdthawkins: I was so excited when I saw that...............and for my mother's uncle Lawrence, he was living in two different places in 1930, one with Cilla Cash Susie Isly's son and daughter in law and listed as Master (his real surname)...........and also with his mother and stepfather listed under Johnson
alt: researching those siblings and their spouses can clear up many mysteries.
3rdthawkins: yes vicky hello vkn
Selma: Afternoon vkn...
alt: hello vkn
vkn: 3rd, selma, alt, vicky, howdy beautiful peeps
vicky: good for you 3rd! I found my Monday Cryor in Hempstead along with my daughters Mitchell folks Hello there vkn!
vkn: http://www.afrigeneas.com/chat/chatlogs.cgi?md=read;id=13#SatNiteChat Feedback please
alt: great vicky & 3rd... y'all can do some 'collabortive' research on a common area.. that helps a lot.
vicky: got a couple marriage records from there
3rdthawkins: still can't find Hannah OR Sallly in 1870, but I will still work finding more info on the people I do have
alt: think I just finished reading it this morning vkn... what kind of feedback?
vicky: at least you got further along 3rd..thats good
3rdthawkins: yes vicky
vkn: well how did it strike you alt? we have a new version up now where those para in sequence come as one
alt: and perhaps with more records coming online you'll find even more inforamtion and clues for further reseach 3rdthawkins it did read better than the previous logs vkn... much easier to follow the conversation with clearer views of who said what.
vicky: The format look wonderful vkn!
3rdthawkins: yeah, I hope so alt.......sad to see on familysearch AR death index skips 1930-1944, but the marr rec. helps a lot
vkn: lol feedback I was seeking alt. Thanx a whole bunch!!!
alt: yw ... my lady
vkn: BTW I thrive on feedback lol lol lol
alt: hello Khathu
Khathu: Hello everyone
vkn: Howdy Khathu
vicky: hello khathu!
Selma: Afternoon Khathu
3rdthawkins: hello Khathu
alt: family search has added early death & burial for Ohio and they are a big help for early deaths prior to 19oo.
vicky: Wishing you loads of luck with finding them in 70 3rd you get copies of originals don't you alt?
3rdthawkins: ty vicky, I most to the boards, maybe someone can give me some help even if can't find them...........
alt: not on the new records vicky.. wish they did have them, but the DC's fro 1908-1953 have the actual images
3rdthawkins: I'm still kind of suspecting a Williamson slaveowner, I just have to find out who, Thomas Williamson is the only suspect, since he was born in S.C. and was a slave owner in Ala and moved to AR............and wouldn't you know, Sally's birthplace in 1880 is listed as S.C., and others it's listed as ALA as well as her parents..........
alt: and they are great for early deaths again... finding births in the 1820's & 30' naming birth locations and parents is great.
3rdthawkins: guess I will have to try and connect Fontaine surname with Williamson? somehow
vkn: 3rd you may want to try posting to the main mail list email@example.com
3rdthawkins: ok vkn, thx
alt: Selma.. finding a tremendous number of VA birth locations on these early DC's
Selma: Ummm
alt: all over da place.
Selma: No need for me to say anything...LOL
alt: and many in what is now WV
vicky: lol I saw a few Sel
Selma: Now WVA..but then VA
alt: right.. Jefferson, Hardy, Barbour, etc. Anita Wills post on the Military Forum had some good information & history.
Selma: Yes I read it ...interesting
vkn: Click once on my name and scroll down to move user and select where you want me to go and Voila. The concierge idea is to be able to do that seamlessly
alt: I like the way she introduced her article, rahter than just a link to it.
vkn: oops! I dis also alt. Gives one the option to read or not dis=did
alt: that's what I was referring to in yesterday's chat.... and intro/seque rahter than just a link.
vkn: gotcha
Selma: Agree..it can be one or 2 sentences...I rarely go to just links
3rdthawkins: hello deshawn
vicky: hello desshawn
deshawn: Hello every one
alt: hello deshawn.. another Buckeye in Da Room LOL
vicky: lol
vkn: greetings and welcome deshawn
3rdthawkins: hello AY
AYWalton: good afternoon, all.
vkn: Howdy AYW
alt: hello AYWalton
vicky: hello AYWalton
AYWalton: Hello 3rd, alt, deshawn, khathu, Ms. Selma, Ms. Vicky, and greetings VKN!!!!!!!!!!!!
deshawn: I am really excited this will be my first research trip...in the 1rst week of July...
vkn: Deshawn how is the research findings going?
vicky: where are you headed deshawn?
deshawn: There not goin...That why I think I need the trip....I will be visiting NC
AYWalton: I hope everyone is having a good day.
vkn: so far so good ayw
deshawn: I think that I have tapped out all internet resources
Selma: Afternoon deshawn and AY
deshawn: hello selma
vicky: Good for you deshawn. Do you have everything written down as to what you will need
alt: if you have.. that's a lot of tapping deshawn LOL LOL
deshawn: No since this my first trip I am a little scattered
AYWalton: Will this be your first research trip, deshawn?
Selma: Are you going to specific counties..or to the State ARchives in Raliegh?
deshawn: I need so much that it's hard to narrow down...this is my first trip...I will be concentrating on Rutherford, if time allows I will look in Cleveland
Selma: Is there a genealogical or historical organization in Rutherford or Cleveland?
alt: just remember .. you can't get it all in 1 trip.... might try to isolate some 'high points' to look for.
deshawn: Yes, I will be joining Rutherfords while I am there
AYWalton: and do try to find a cemetery while you are in the town.
vicky: digital camera
Selma: Do you have specific items you are planning to look for?
Seventies Soulchild: Good afternoon all!
vicky: hi seventies
AYWalton: Hello there, SoulChile!
alt: hello Seventies Soulchild
Selma: Afternoon 70's
deshawn: Ok...I guess the hard thing about my search is finding where did the records for my ancestors ended up.. they turned it into a resort town...I dn't know what to look for I have all docs for my direct ancestor upto 1868...
3rdthawkins: hello Seventies
Seventies Soulchild: 3rd, alt, AYWalton, deshawn, Khathu, Selma, and vicky
AYWalton: Deshawn, if your town is not the county seat---then you want to go there to the county courthouse and make a list of what you can look for.
Khathu: hello Seventies
deshawn: But, I cant find a burial site or a death cert....the county seat is rutherfordton...
AYWalton: For guidance, go to USGenweb, select your state and your county. And look at what might be listed as holdings in the courthouse.
Seventies Soulchild: what state are you looking in deshawn?
AYWalton: then----get every death certificate, marriage record, land record, anything else that you can on that line. And ask if they have co-habitation records for that county as well.
deshawn: I am going to get a bit more orgnized before i go.... North carolina
AYWalton: and try to find the cemetery.
Selma: Do you still have family or connections there deshawn?
alt: did your ancestors leve/ migrate away from Rutherford?
deshawn: I cant find a death certificate for him..No the only family connections that i have there is the strouds
Selma: What year death certificate are you looking for?
deshawn: I have a copy of his will in his will it state it was signed in Jan 1899 and Exocuted in Sept 1899 so all I know is that he died sometime between those date
alt: I think a 'timeline' might help deshawn.. When did you ancestor's first show up in rutherford and when did they leave... then concectrate on the available records for that time period.
deshawn: I dnt know I can place him there in 1868 -1899
alt: was property and Heirs listed in the will?
Seventies Soulchild: I think this might be something Free could assist with. . .
vicky: sorry deshawn, what was the name again
alt: with names and relationships
Khathu: question when transcribing a document and you can not figure out a word do you use [ ]
Selma: Not sure that NC was keeping Death Records in 1899..
AYWalton: Have to run, folks. I might return in a bit.
deshawn: Yes there was some real-estate willed to his children but I cant track who he purchased from all I found is that on his will it did state that there were co-farmers..I even tried looking into there names and found nothing
alt: probalby not at the State level Selma, but perhaps at the county level.
deshawn: And now the land is a resort town..Chimney Rock Twnship..
vicky: not sure khathu, I have seen several ways for the unknown inc question marks
alt: tax office or Auditor should have Grantee/Grantor records on who bought and sol the property
3rdthawkins: don't know Khathu, I only transcribed census/marriage/death recs, not sure of any other recs. where you transcribe words....
Khathu: thanks vick i will use [?] for the time being
Seventies Soulchild: Khathu I put either [?] or illegible
vicky: would it be of the word khathu oops all of the word or certian letters
Selma: Is this for an article Khathu
Seventies Soulchild: But first, have you had another set of eyes look at the document you're trying to transcribe?
Khathu: i am transcribing a document not yet Seventies but I need to put this application in the mail today
Selma: seen folks put [illegible]
Seventies Soulchild: Ah ok
3rdthawkins: hello Pro Dru
Professordru: hey lunch gang
Selma: Afternoon Dru
Seventies Soulchild: hi Professordru
Khathu: and since i have transcribed the majority of the documents, i decided to do all of them
alt: hello Professordru
Khathu: two statements and a will
vkn: Howdy Dru
vicky: Is this for your other article khathu that you are presenting to a gen soc hello Dru!
Khathu: yes
alt: Khathu.. can you furnish an image of the documents in addition to the transcription?
vkn: Yall be good... if not good take all care
Khathu: i am doing both
alt: that usually works in an article, if space allows for it.
Seventies Soulchild: when did vkn come into the room? lol
Selma: She was here when you got here seventies.. LOL
vicky: she was here before you came in seventies lol
Professordru: gotta run
Seventies Soulchild: Oh lawd, I'm having a 'moment'! LOL
vicky: not a 'senior" one I hope lol lol
alt: example of Doc & transcript http://mydatabase.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=mydatabase&view=62&sort=0&albumid=3&photoindex=23&rand=642635884
Seventies Soulchild: :?
vicky: selma any word from your Texas lady
Selma: Just got an email from her..she is out of town...probably won't get together till July..she is a busy lady'
vicky: ok thanks Selma. I was just curious of the county she was looking into
Seventies Soulchild: Ok I've got to ease back into work... lol Y'all have a good day. . .
vicky: well guess I will head out also see ya tomorrow
3rdthawkins: ok vicky
Selma: Khathu..looking at VGS Journal..that includes many transcriptions... Folks use [?], [illegible], [too faint]...etc...
Khathu: okay...thats Selma
alt: almost anything within [ ], huh?
Selma: pretty much..lets folks know there is something there, you are unable to decipher
Khathu: thats what i need
alt: right.. an where it is located within the actual document
Selma: Yes... I have to run too folks..have a great day
3rdthawkins: I'll Turn Out the Lights You Guys!!!


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