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carlon Bethel College St. Paul. Minnesota
Dr. Phil Carlson
Regents give green
light to Bethel
nursi• ng program
Bethel College has considered developing a nursing program
since 1961, when for the first time Mounds-Midway
Hospital School of Nursing and Bethel consideroo merging.
This spring, 14 years later, a committee composed of two
Bethel faculty members, one former regent (Elving Anderson),
and representatives from the hospital, submitted to the
administration a feasibility study on whether or not Bethel
could absorb the nursing school.
Dr. Philip Carlson, Bethel professor of mathematics and
chairman of the Nursing Advisory Committee, explained why
MoundS-Midway wants to be associated with Bethel.
"In the late 60's, the National League of Nurses adopted
a policy encouraging all nursing programs to relate them-
April I I. 1975 Malachi 4:2
selves in some way to higher education. Very soon after
that, the junior colleges came out with an associate degree
nursing program, a two year program. While the junior
college program could confer the R.N. certification, the associate
degree in nursing did not allow students to become
school nurses or to go into public health. At the same time,
some nursing schools merged with universities or private colleges
to confer a baccalaureate degree in nursing. This baccalaureate
degree allows a student to go on to graduate work,
hospital administration, and so on.
"The faculty of the Mounds-Midway School of Nursing
preferred, if possible, to begin an association with a school
which could provide the baccalaureate degree. The college
with which it p:r;-eferred association was Bethel."
The report of the committee, quotes Director of the
School of nursing Mrs. Charlotte Olson as saying that MoundsMidway
"would prefer a relationship with Bethel in order to
preserve the spiritual distinctives it now has in common
with Bethel. Both Midway and Mounds Park Hospitals are
owned and operated by the Baptist Hospital Fund. The
Fund also owns three educational programs: the school
of nursing, the schools of x-ray and medical technologies,
and a clinical pastoral school. A board of trustees (60
percent of which is composed of members of Baptist churches)
controls the Fund. Mr. Gordon Smith, director of Public
Relations for the hospitals, is also Director of Education and
Development for the BHF. Carl Lundquist, president of Bethel
College and Seminary, is presently a member of the Board
of Trustees for the BHF and has been a member for several
years. Mounds Park Hospital itself was begun by a Swedish
Baptist (later B.G.C.) church - Payne Avenue Baptist
(now Trinity Baptist) - in 1905.
"The school of nursing opened in 1907. It was intended
to provide nursing education for Baptist women and to
prepare them for overseas missionary service," commented
Gordon Smith .
The problem with adopting, or enveloping, the MoundsMidway
nursing program at the present time is money. The
continued on page eight
-on the inside
tuition raise ann·ounced fo·r
next year, p. 3
Sympo·sium III: the role of
Christian w·omen, p. 5
Administration dec.ides
oln enrollment of 1565
We're glad that the administration decided to limit next
year's enrollment to 1565 students. Allowing for a reasonable
attrition rate, this will probably cause enrollment to stabilize
around 1500.
Projection of lon~·ran~e ~oals for enrollment are no doubt
impossible at the present time, given the state of the economy
and the fact that no one knows how many students will
beapplyin~ to Bethel five years from now. However, we
hope one J;!oal for 'enrollment will be 10n~·ranJ;!e; that is,
the continued proportionate growth of developmental funds
(grants, gifts, etc.) with increased enrollment. If this goal
is not achieved, Bethel ColleJ;!e will be sellin~ its'elf short
in the lon~ run, and there will be no oolleJ;!e in which
to increase 'enrollment.
* * * He broke a hundred hearts when he strolled out unto the
stage, nonchalantly tossing that chain and catching it in
rhythm with the washboards and kazoos. Bob York and his
buddies in the Bo Conrad Spit Band painted rainbows all
over our blues in the days they were at Bethel. And blueeyed,
blonde-haired Bob was one of the busiest painters of
He was with the band for several years, but soon Bob
felt the Lord calling him to other work. Together with his
fiancee Chris, he shaped a few significant dreams by which
he felt God wanted him to live. One of those dreams was
to teach art to kids. Bob did his student teaching at Pike
Elementary School.
In the course of his Bethel career, Bob did some really
neat things. Among them was the time that he and Bethel
grad Joe Lewis won the Orville Redenbacher Popcorn Contest.
They did a relief landscape of an Iowa farm, in popcorn,
and won the $500 first prize.
Another neat thing that happened to Bob was his marriage
last year to Chris. Last fall he found a job teaching art at
Braham High School. He and Chris joined the First Baptist
Church of Stanchfield and became its youth directors.
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Volume 50, No. 21
On Saturday, March 29, Bob was involved in an auto
accident that took his life. When the news reached us last
week, we were deeply saddened. Our one recurrent thought
was this: Bob York obviously accomplished in his 20-odd years
what takes most of us a great deal more time to do.
Two of the people closest to Bob, Chris and brother
Ken, are still at Bethel. We hope the Bethel community
will join us in thoughts and prayers for them and the
family. l __ m_a_ilb_a_9 ____ 1
On Saturday, March 29, Bob and Chris York were
involved in a head-on collision at which time Bob was taken
home to be with his Lord. Chris sustained some minor cuts
and scratches but is fine. Please remember in prayer Chris,
his brother Ken who is a sophomore here and the other
members of Bob's family. Bob graduated from Bethel last
year as an Art/Ed major and was teaching in a high school
in Braham. Chris is a senior History major at Bethel this
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under inflation rate
Tuition charges at Bethel College next year will reflect
a rate hike below the national cost of living increase
of 12 per 'cent. Students will pay $260 per college -course
for the 1975-76 year appproximately 11% percent more than
the current year. Board and room rates will not increase although
the average food cost for on-campus students for
the entire year is estimated to be about $600.
, In addition to the tuition increase to $260 per course,
private music lessons (% hour p~r week), will be set at
$82.50 per term. Class voice or class piano lessons at one
hour per week will be $42. There is no anticipated in- '
crease for other fees - inclusive. fee for medical technology
students, $50; transcript fees, $1 each; graduation
fees, $17.50; transcript evaluation, $10; registration, $50; audit
fee, $50; late registration, $10; organ rental (6 hours per
week) , $12.50; piano rental (6 hours per week), $8.; student
teaching fee, $30.
In regards to board and room, rates for each term
for residents on the Arden Hills campus will remain at
$237.50 and a minimum food .coupon purchase of $225. The
. corresponding figures for residency on the Arona campus
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by Steve Harris
This column being what it is, the Clarion's attempt at
political dialogue, perhaps it would be neglectful of us if
we let the recent Bethel Student Association elections pass
into obscurity without at least a few comments. And since I
was the losing member of this team (getting edged in a nonelection
by John Anderson for a senior senatorial pci~i'tion
while Bob Moeller rode a landslide to the Vice-presidential
office) allow me to offer a few whimsical, if not unbiased
The major point made by the recent elections, including
the candidates, their positions, their campaigning, is that
things at Bethel College right now are going along extremely
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will remain at $175 per room and a minimum participation
in the food plan, $100 per term.
Tuition increase was made to enable the college to
keep pace with risirig costs and to provide for minimal
increases in faculty/staff salaries. An increase in Student
Financial Aid Fund has also been made that is commensurate
with the tuition increase.
An enrollment ceiling for 1975-76 in the college has been
set at 1,565. This total was recommended by the Administration
and ,accepted by the Board of Regents at their meeting
on March 22. Enrollment projections for '75-'76 show 1,000
returning students from this year's student body, 490 new
freshmen, and 75 new transfer studentS. The previous 1,500
enrollment ceiling would have cut back a number of entering
freshmen to 425, a practice which might actually start eventual
enrollment decline. With a projected enrollment of 1,565
additional money is available for student financial aid and
additional funds for supplies and expenses within academic
departments. It also allows for four :f.ull-time additional
faculty, and some additional student service resources .
smooth. If you can't accept that, look at the issues which
dominated the campaign rhetoric. They were down-right
boring. Enrollment levels, n~eds for coat racks, calls for
another student union, none 'of these can be classified as
controversial. The only one of any clout, enrollment levels,
was in fact the result of a Clarion editorial, not a grass roots
movement to limit the size of this school. Whether or not the
. Bethel student really has a say in how large the Board of
Regents wants to make this school is in itself debatable.
When one looks at these issues, he can't help but come
to the conclusion that this school and its inhabitants are not
in any way upset or perturbed with the way things are
going. If they were, those points of friction would have
come out; elections have a way of clarifying the things that
bug people. · If all we have to worry about is how many
coat racks and lockers we have, things must be going pretty
good. And in an age of Vietnam, Watergate, CIA, and
everything else, that's something we should appreciate. For
as long as it lasts.
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Bla'cks 'Olt Bethel, part II
First 8ethel blacks· faced problems
by ,Steve Harris
Editor's note: This is the second feature of a series dealing
with the blac~ student and Beth'el College.
The active recruitment drive by Bethel College 'for black
students met its objectives in the early '70s, but it soon
became evident that many of the new students were not
adjusting well to Bethel. What were the causes of their
discontent? According to Miss Marilyn Bohne, Bethel's first
appointed advisor to minority students, many of the problems
were culturally based.
"Some of the black students," she explains, "had a different
cultural outlook in a lot of ways. They were very
vocal, for example, in the way they expressed themselves~
I! was hard for some of them to adjust to Bethel."
Dr. Art Lewis, professor of Old Testament, was chairman
of the Minorities Committee during the time that these
problems were most acute for some of the black students'
he believes that the difficulties they experienced were i~
the areas of life-style and education.
"Some of the black students had serious academic lacks," I
says Dr. Lewis. "It's not that they weren't smart, they were
very intelligent in a lot of ways, it's just that they were
ill-prepared for college academic life.
"Also, they faced problems of life-style. They came here
out of different life-styles, and it was hard for them to
adjust. One of the young men told me, 'All right, I'll
be , white from Monday to Friday, but Friday afternoon,
I have to be black.' Others refused to go to chapel because
it was a 'white person's community.' It was a difficult thing
for some of the black students."
A man extremely close -to the situation was History Professor
G. William Carlson, minority student advisor for the
male students. In retrospect, he defines the problem as a
combination of three negative factors: relationship difficulties,
educational hardships, and a Ucovert insensitivity" on the
part of the Bethel community.
"When the black students came on campus," explains
Carlson, "it was relatively difficult because Bethel did not
provide the kinds of experiences that would make for naturally
developing relationships. We did have some life-style
4ifferences, but they w~ren't inherent contradictions that
couldn't have been accepted on our ~ampus. It's just that
one (lifestyle) predominated."
The educational problems of the blacks, believes Carlson,
centered in three areas: the Christianity courses, the lack
of minority-related material in their courses, and the lack
of educational assistance programs. fOF them (sucll as tutoring
"Most of the mainstream of Bethel's community has been
brought up in churches and Sunday School, and allegedly
we pick up a fair amount of religious vocabulary, at least
a surface knowledge of the Bible, and a desire for the
necessity of furthering oneself in certain types of understanding
of the Scripture. Most of the evangelical blacks; however,
did not come from those types of backgrounds. Consequently,
the kinds of questions they were asking about the nature
of their faith were different than. what most of the ollier
students were asking."
The criticism that Bethel did not set up adequate educational
help programs for those students who were suf-four
fering academically is an oft-repeated one among those
teachers who tried to help these students.
"Many of them came to our campus without the skills
necessary to compete," says Carlson, "specifically in the
areas of reading, note-taking, and writing. Most had a good
ability to articulate themselves orally, but they were de,
ficient in these other areas. What happened was that we
accepted them without giving them the assurance that they
could have the opportunity to develop these skllls . so they
could successfully make it.'
In Carlson's opinion, the fact that some of the black
students had problems at Bethel College is also due to the
inability of the Bethel student' body to relate to these new
"Most of the students at Bethel do not come from an
environment that would allow them to effectively communicate
with minority issues, therefore functional sterotypes
developed ... There was an inherent, covert insensitivity on
the campus to minority issues."
How did this express itself?
"Most of the Bethel
students do not come from an
environment 'that allows them
to effectively communicate
with minority issues .. • "
"Largely in avoidance and isolation," remembers Carlson.
"Some of the students felt 'It's not my problem, its
a minority problem, I don't have to do anything about it.' "
The major crisis developed in the winter ~f 1972 when
then-dean Virgil Olson dismissed four black students and two
white students for life-style violations. This decision was
upheld by the "Student Personnel Committee," but was then
overturned by President Carl Lundquist. The students were
~llowed to remain at Bethel throughout that year, but early
In the summer of '72, President Lundquist reversed his decision
and the six students were asked not to return to Bethel
Looking back on the initial recruitment drive for black
students, and at the problems some of them faced, many
observers view it as a turbulent, negative period in Bethel
history. Certainly the problems which peaked into the
crisis of the winter of '72 led to a re-evaluation and
eventual cancellation, of plans for activ~ recruitment of more
black students. But to say that this period was totally
disruptive is a distortion, say others. Many of the black
students did fit into the school. Many were involved in athletics,
for example, especially on the basketball team coached
by Jack Trager. Friendships among blacks and whites, between
student and faculty member, despite the well-pub-licized
exceptions, were developing. '
"I felt the black students had a lot to contribute to this
school," concluded Art Lewis. "I still think they do."
Symposium III
IIS0 the.re is no difference between Jews and Gentiles ,
between slaves a~d free men, between men and women;
you are all one in ... Jesus/I (Galatians 3:28)
In light of what Paul tells u·s in Galatians, what
sho,uld· bether,o,le, o,f' women in the evangelical
by Alvera Mickelsen
Assistant Professor of Journalism
The very question of the "role of
women in the church today" shows the
inherent fallacy in OHr thinking - as
if God has some separate plan for women
tha t differs from his plan for men. The
Bible indicates that this was not the
intent of God when men and women
were created. The concept of greater
and lesser roles is the result of sin.
Genesis 1 :27, 28 states: So God created
man in his own image, in the image
of God he created him; male and female
he cr·eated them. And God blessed
THEM, and God said to THEM, "Be
fruitful and multiply, and fill the !earth
and subdue it; and have dominion over
the fish of the sea and over the bir.ds
of the air and over every living thing
that mov,es upon the earth."
The command to subdue the earth
and have dominion was given to man
and woman.
Genesis 2 :18 is sometimes quoted to
indicate that woman was created for
a subservient role: Then the Lord God
said, "It is not good that man should
he alone; I wiD make a helper fit for
him." However, the term "helper" cannot
be construed to mean a subservient
role, for the Hebrew word used here
is used frequently of God as the helper
of man. Surely God is not secondary
to man!
The proper relationship between men
and women was destroyed or damaged
by sin and the Old Testament reveals
a growing male dominance theme that
became more oppressive (with some notable
exceptions) until New Testament
times. By the time' of Christ, a Jewish
man thanked God every day he was
not a Gentile, an ignorant man, nor
a woman! Women were clearly in a
subservient role.
And then came Christ.
There are few teachings of Christ that
deal directly with male .. female roles,
but what Christ did spoke volumes about the
relationship that God intended. Only
a few of the many examples can be
. included here.
Jesus apparently considered women
just as capable of theological understanding
as men, and just as capable of
disseminating his truths. In the story
of Mary and Martha in Luke 10: 38-42,
Mary sat at the Lord's feet listening
to his teaching. She was acting like
a disciple. Martha complained because
Mary was not doing her woman duties
in the kitchen - no doubt a just complaint.
But Jesus commended 'Mary, saying
she had chosen the better portion
which "shall not be taken away from
Some of Jesus' most profound statements
were made to women. To Martha
he sta ted: I am tbe resurrection and
the life; be who believes in me, though
he die, yet shall he live.
To the Samaritan woman at the well,
Jesus made his first announcement of
his, Messiahship. She was so excited that
she ran to the village to spread the
news. "Many Samaritans from that city
believed in him because of the woman's
testimony." She became one of the first
evangelists. The fact that she was a
woman was apparently irrelevant to Jesus.
In one instance, Jesus went out of
his way to say that a woman's worth
was not in her capacity to bear children
;-even the Christ-Child- but in her willingness
to hear and obey God's Word.
Yet this statement came at a delicate
moment when a woman was trying to
pay a compliment to him and to his
mother, Mary. (See Luke 11: 27, 28.)
The most important message that has
ever come to people of this earth -.:..
the news of the resurrection-was delivered
first to women who were told to
tell the disciples. Matthew 28:5: But
the angel said to the woman, "Do not
be afraid; for I know that you seek
Jesus who was crucified ... go quickly
and tell his disciples that he has risen
from the dead ... " The angel did not
appear to Peter and John who also
came to the tomb. And Jesus himself
appeared first to a woman (Mary Magdalene)
and told her to tell the news
to his disciples.
- Jesus apparently considered men and
women equally capable of spreading his
message, and both men and women were
to do just that.
But what about the teaching of the
Apostle Paul? Didn't he say "women
are to be silent in the churches" (I
,Cor. 14 :34) and "I permit no woman
to teach or have authority over men."
(I Tim. 2 :12). These passages must be
studied in the context of their specific
situations and also in. the light of 'Vhat
Paul himself did. Paul commended Phoebe,
a deacon of the church at Cenchrea
(Rom. 16 :1). He called Euodia and Syntche
those who "labored side by side
with me in the gospel." Many other
examples could be given. Most important,
we know that although some of
the teachings ' of Paul may be difficult
to understand, one thing is clear -
Paul believed absolutely in the Lordship
of Jesus Christ and would not lay down
principles that were contrary to the teaching
or the life of the Christ whom
he loved and served. Any of Paul's
teachings that seem contrary to Christ
must be seen as specific instructions
for difficult local situations.
Women's responsibilities to the church
and to the Gospel are the same as
those of men. They cannot be absolved
of them under the guise of lesser roles,
and church leaders who erect roadblocks
to keep women from accepting their
responsibilities must answer to God.
*** by Willard F. Harley, Jr., Phd.
Professor of Psychology
For in Christ Jesus you ar,e all sons
of God, through faith. For as many
of you as were baptized into Christ
have put on Christ. There is neither
slave nor free, there is neither male
nor female; for you are all one in
Christ Jesus (Galations 3 :26-28).
Galations 3 :26-28 does not deal with
the role of Christians. It deals with
the oneness of the body of Christ. In
Jesus Christ, we are all one body indwelt
by one Spirit. However, our individual
roles are not the same. Paul
brings these two principles into perspective
in his first letter to the Corinth-ians:
... there ar,e varieties of service, but
the same Lord; and there are varieties
of working, but it is the same God
who inspires them all in every one.
To each is given the manUestation of
the Spirit for the common good ... For
Harley, continued on page six
H~rley, continued from page five
just as the body is Qne ;and has many
members, and all the members Qf the
bQdy, thQugh many, are Qne bQdy, sO'
it is with Christ. FQr by Qne Spirit
We -were all bapti1Jed intO' Qne bQdy -
Jews Qr Greeks, slaves Qr free - and
all were made to drink of Qne Spirit.
(ICQrinthians 12: 5-7, 12-13 RSV).
We are all valuable to God. This may
be one reason why God has chosen to
work with us on an individual basis
giving each of ' us individual responsi~
bilities to carry out his unified plan.
However, while he works with us individually,
there are certain categories of
responsibility given to women which are
different than those given to men. ScriptUre
on the subject of the role of women
is plentiful . . .
TO' the WQman he said, "I will greatly
multiply ' yQur pain in childbearing; in
pain yQU shall bring fQrth childr.en, yet
your desire shall be fQr yQur husband,
and he shall rule Qver you." (Genesis
As . in all the churches Qf the saints,
. the . WQmen shQuld keep silence in the
churches. FQr they are nQt permitted
to' speak, but shQuld be subQrdinate, as
even the law says. If there is anything
they desire to' knQw, let them ask their
husbands at hQme. (I CQrinthians 14:
33-35). .
Let a WQman learn in silence with
all submissiv·eness. I permit nO' WQman
to' teach Qr to' have ~uthQrity over men;
she is to' keep silent. FQr Adam was
fQrmed first, then Eve; and Adam was
not deceiVied, but the WQman was deceived
and became a transgressQr. (I
TimQthy 2 :11-14).
Likewise yQU wives·, be subtnissive to'
your husbands, ... Let nQt YQurs be
the O'utward adQrning with braiding Qf
hair, . decQratiQn Qf gQld, and wearing
Qf rQbes, but let it be' the hidden persQn
Qf the heart with the imperishable jewel
Qf a gentle and quiet spirit, which in
GQd's sight is very preciQus: SO' Qnce
the hQly WQmen whO' hQped in GQd used
to' adm'n themselves and were submissive
to' their husbands, as Sarah Qbeyed Abraham,
calling him LQrd. (I Peter 1 :
I selected these four 'passages because
. they 1) represent both Old Testament
and New Testament perspectives, 2) are
taken from four different books of the -
Bible, and 3) were written by three
different writers.
A very clear theme runs through these
verses: Women are to be subordinate
to men in general and to their husbands
in particular. To the unemotional observer,
this conclusion is unmistakable.
However, the conclusion carries with it
some awkward implications that cause
some observer~ to become emotional.
If you are a woman, can you imagine
calling some man, "lord," particularly
if that man were your husband? The
very thought is outrageous! And yet,
that very orientation toward men is to
characterize women which are part of
the body of Christ. This is not to say
tha t men are any better than women,
but rather that God has chosen to give
women a different responsibility from
Paul writes that women are not to
"teach or have authority over men"
(I Timothy 2 :12). This is a logical extension
of the principle of subordination
of women to men. A teacher is an
authority, he gives his students assignments
that they must follow, he must'
command their respect if he is to be
effective. I have no ' doubt in my mind
that women can b'e ' very effective teachers.
However, in order to be effective
in teaching men, a woman must be
in a position of authority, and that violates
God's will for women. I feel that
the evangelica~ community should take
a hard look at the use of women in
all forms of teaching roles. As far as
I am concerned, men are men regardless
of age, and teaching is teaching
regardless of content. This means that
fathers should be taking a much more
active role in the training of their children.
Men should be taking a much
more active role in the Christian education
programs of their church. Christian
men should be taking a much more
active role in the entire process of education
from kindergarten to graduate
school. While this view may seem extreme,
it is consistent with Scripture.
What, then, should the role of women
be in the evangelical community? First
of all, it should not be teaching men.
However, the Scriptures provide many
examples of women who in the service
of men provided essential functions in
the church. Paul mentions many women
in his letters who helped him carry
out his ministry (Romans 16 :1-3, 6,
12). While I believe that women can
function without men, I do not believe
that God intended it to be that way.
A woman's relationship to her husband
is an essential part of her spiritual responsibility.
But even if she is unmarried
I believe that her church responsibilitie~
are to be carried out through men and
her support of men's spiritual efforts
represents service to God.
Why do women hold positions of authority
over men in the evangelical community?
It is not because the women
wanted it that way. It is because the
men chose to assign their resl?Onsibilities
to women and women are often
the only ones willing to assume positions
of leadership. 'While most church boards
consist of men, these men are often
unprepared for leadership and unwilling
to lead. In these churches women have
been forced to assume responsibility 'for
programs of the church without the help
of the men. Unfortunately, the solution
to this dilemma is not in the hahds
of women. It is in the hands of men
who must shake themselves out of an
apathy that will adversely effect the
future of the church. Once men assume
their intended responsibility, Christian
women will have no trouble supporting
th~ir efforts.
I recognize that my position on this
subject is not without serious problems.
I have struggled for several years to
come to a conclusion that seems to
take everything !into account, but I must
admit that there remains a number of
loose ends. While my conclusions may
appear set in cement, they are in fact
very tentative and should be read as
*** by Clai~e KQlmQdin
1974 Bethel Alumnus
Serious discussions concerning the role
of women in an evangelical community
normally focus on Paul's view of the
model marriage relationship and the woman's
place within the church. As important
as such teachings might be, these
topics constitute only a fraction of the
broader role of the evangelical woman
in a modern society. I have no intention
of dealing with the merits of a particular
marriage relationship, for, as a single
woman, my opinions would be hypothetical
at best. (The role of women in
the church will be dealt with elsewhere).
I would prefer to address myself to
the role of the single woman (and, wherever
applicable, the role of the married
woman outside of the marriage relationship)
1. Men and WQmen are equal in the
sigbt Qf GQd. Very few biblical passages
discuss the position of women in an
evangelical community. Of these, still
fewer deal with women in general. (Most
center specifically around married wo.
men, and deal with only select areas).
One crucial passage, however, mentioning
all women inclusively, is Galatians
3 :26-28. Paul, here clearly states that
there is neither male nor female -
all are one in Christ. In an ultimate
sense, there is no sex distinction in the
sight of God. Men and women occupy
the same position in their relationship
to God. Faith in Christ is the only
requirement for membership in the family
of God. '
Kolmodin, continued on page eight
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8 p.m.
Chanhassen - "A Little Night Music,"
8 p.m.
Dudley Riggs Experimental Theater -
"The Moon Shines Tonight," 8 p.m.
Dudley Rigg's Brave New Workshop -
"I'm O.K., You're a Jerk," 8 p.m.
Edyth Bush - "Barefoot in the Park,"
8 p.m.
Old Log - "Finishing Touches," 8 :30
Orchestra Hall - Sandler and Young,
7 and 10 p.m. Friday and Saturday
St. Paul Civic Center - The Kinks,
8 p.m.
Whole Coffeehouse - Murray McLauchlan,
9 p.m. Friday and Saturday
Minnesota Opera Co. - "The Magic
Flute," Friday and Saturday, 8 p.m.
Mavrodes to spea'k
at Tu'e'sda'y ch,ape/'
Lecturer and author, Dr. George I.
Ma vrodes is to visit Bethel College and
.Seminary, Tuesday, April 15. Dr. Mavrodes
received his B.S. from Oregon
State College and his B.D. from Western
Baptist Theological Seminary. Both his
M.A. and his Ph.D. were earned at
the University of Michigan, where he
is currently Associate Professor of Philosophy.
'Mavrodes is the coeditor of Prob·'
}ems and Perspectives in the Philosophy
of Religion, editor of Rationality of Be·
lief in God, and author of Belief in
God. He will be the guest speaker ,at
the Seminary Chapel at 9 :40 a.m. and
the College Chapel at 10 :30 a.m. He
will also bring the lecture at Mr. Stewart's
Problems of Philosophy class at
11 :20 a.m. in room 334. The class is
open to anyone wishing to hear Dr.
Mavrodes. At 12 :30 p.m. he will make
a presentation on the topic, "Personal
Identity and Immortality." There will
be an opportunity for questions following.
Faculty and students interested are invited
to attend . . At 8 p.m. there will be
an informal gathering at the Stewart
residence to provide an opportunity for
students to meet Dr. Mavrodes.
Spring mus~c coming
A joint concert by the Male Chorus,
Women's Choir and the Bethel Band
will be pre~ented in the 'Bethel Physical
Education Center on Friday, April 25,
at 8 p.m. All the groups will perform
selections from their spring concert tour
music. Male Chorus and Women's Choir
are collaborating on some SATB arrangements,
both sacred and secular. The
choirs will sing several numbers with
the Band. Some of the repertoire will
anticipate the bicentennial and will feature
music by American composers.
The conductors of the three groups
are: Mary Fall, Women's Choir; Oliver
Mogck, Male Chorus; Julius Whitinger,
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2. Beli~ving men and women alike
have been given gifts by God for use
in His service. In I Corinthians 12, Paul
explains the role of each member within
the body of Christ. The body is an
integrated whole requiring the specific,
varied gifts possessed by each of its
members. No gift is superor to another,.
and none is indispensable. In verses 27-31,
Paul lists examples of the gifts given
to .the members of the body. Nowhere
is there made any distinction between
male and female gifts, and examples
of men and women possessing these gifts
are found throughout the New Testament.
It appears that the gifts distributed to
individual believers are not differentiated
on the basis of sex.
On a broader scale, it is apparent
to any in~erested observer that talents,
as well as spiritual gifts, are widely
distributed among individuals. Men and
women alike display such qualities as
dominance and senSitivity, . aggression
and warmth, strength and supportiveness.
Men and women alike possess abilities,
talents, and characteristfcs found
in a human population are present in
both men and women.
3. The single person has a valuable
place and fuction within the will of God.
Paul deals briefly with the unmarried
state as it concerns both men and women
in I Corinthians 7 :32-35. He portrays
this state in a positive manner, advocating
its existence because of the opportunities
it provides for wholehearted devotion
to God. More specifically, . the
single woman has unique opportunities
for Christian service because of her marital
status, and need not view her state
as a useless waiting- period - fu)filled
only by marriage. Singleness is, there-fore,
an acceptable, useful, and valued
state within the will of God.
4. The role of the single woman is
determined solely through the use \ of
her gifts within the will of God. The
conclusion which has been drawn from
the first three statements is purposely
undefined. There is no one set role for
the single woman. (This conclusion may
apply - as well to the married woman
- both within and outside of the marriage
relationship.) As a man should
be free to develop and use .. whatever
gifts and abilities he possesses, so a
woman deserves the same freedom (without
the traditional constraints of marriage
and motherhood.) Biblical instruction
concerning the woman's role, although
valuable, is incomplete. The radical cultural
transformation which has evolved
since Paul's time demands new, expanded
applications of spiritual principles.
An exact copy of the cultural patterns
(and relationships). stemming from New
Testament times seems absurd!
Consider, for example, the controversial,
but central concern with submission.
Assuming that a satisfactory definition
of the term may be found (a faltering
assumption), what is its relevance for
the single woman? Submission toward
. whom? Her father? All men? (Believers
and nonbelievers?) And for how long?
The woman's role, be she single or
married, needs to be seriously re-examined
within the context of a modern
society. An unthinking acceptance of
"the" role for the Christian woman
seems like a tragic waste of human
resources, and drives from the evangelical
community many needed and capable
This essay is not meant to be a blanket
condemnation of the traditional female
role. The traditional role, however,
' is only one of several, equally viable
alternatives open to women. The evangelical
community tends to lean very
heavily on one sterotyped alternative derived
from only a portion of the total
picture of womanhood. As a cohesive
community, we must not . only tolerate,
but encourage the development of other
·contined from page one will require . . . an annual budget subsidy of $80,000," reads
the committee's report.
staffing for such a program (one chairperson, two associate
professors, . seven instructors, one secretary) would cost in
the neighborhood of $134,000, according to the report of the
committee. The influx of more stu.dents would require addi~
tional faculty in the natural sciences and social sciences as
well (the total coming to $192,600). More office space would
be needed for the facu~ty. Additional books, periodicals, etc.,
would have to be supplied to the LRC.
Even if Mounds-Midway donated its lab eq!lipment, the
cost would be great to Bethel. "It is clear, the the program
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"The Committee wasn't testing whether or not Bethel
should absorb the nursing school. We were only judging its
feasibility-whether or not it was pos~ible to do so. If a
source of money can be found to subsidize the program in the
amount needed, we can take over the Mounds-Midway School
of Nursing," said Dr. Carlson . .
At the last meeting, the Board of Regents recommended
that the administration of Bethel College look into t!le several
alternatives of funding for the nursing program. The Board
issued a statement saying that the. idea of a nursing school
is in line with the purposes of Christian higher education as
it exists at Bethel.
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Fourteen players traveled south on Bethel
baseball's spring trip, only to have
their scheduled games rained out March
31 and snowed out April 2. Coach Jack
Trager salvaged the tour, however, when
he scheduled a pair of double-headers
at Northwest Missouri State last Friday
and Saturday.
With fourteen or fifteen games under
its belt (including a trip to Arizona,
says Trager), the NCAA Missouri team
bombed the Royals 3-0, 3-0 and 4-0,
5-0. Northwest Missouri State was probably
"the best team on our schedule,"
said Trager. Six Bethel pitchers put in
a healthy performance in spite of the
lopsided scores.
Dave Peterson looks improved on the
mound over last year, said Trager, and
the brothers Curt and Craig Oslin both
pitched well as each went a full sixinning
stretch. Freshman hurler Tim Doten
was in for an inning, Don Paterson
went for five, and Marv Zaderaka pitched
With Barry Jones at shortstop, Dale
Witherington at third base, Kevin Hallstrom
at second, and Craig Oslin at
first, the Royals fielded a strong defensive
infield. "Our hitting was not impressive,
but that was directly related
to our lack of playing experience this
season, " Tager said.
Outfielders Scott Logan, Marshall Shelley,
Dave Peterson and Terry Jenson
rounded out the Royals' roster.
Inclement weather forced the postponement
of Monday's home contest against
Macalester, and possibly Wednesday's
game at Dr. Martin Luther College in
New Ulm, Minnesota. It is also doubtful
that Concordia will play tomorrow
on Bethel's field, as scheduled. Trager
will attempt to reschedule the unplayed
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new spri ng sport?
The region's uncooperative spring weather
has cast a shadow of uncertainty
over the opening of the spring sports
season. The men's track team was recently
forced indoors on several meets
scheduled in the outdoor season, and
the baseball team has yet to catch !i
glimpse of green turf beneath Bethel's
slowly dwindling snow cover.
Bethel's new tennis courts are scheduled
to be used by the varsity squad
for the first time tomorrow. The match
is set at 10 :30 against Gustavus Adolphus.
Monday will find the team at
Stout State University of Wisconsin. Hamline
will play the Royals on Bethel's
courts Tuesday, and St. Thomas Thursday,
if the weather improves.
The golf team, coached by 1974 Bethel
graduate John Merritt, may find that
most of its greens are still white, as
it is scheduled to open its season today
at River Falls, Wisconsin.
The women's track squad will run
in the Manitou Relays tomorrow at St.
Olaf, in the first of four scheduled outdoor
Women's softball expects to start its
season April 19, with games against St.
Olaf and Carleton at Dunning Field.
track, continued from page ten
new school record in that event. Jeff Larson and Steve
Whittaker set new records in the two-mile run and the
600-yard dash, respectively.
Royals pulled in third place, nine Bethel records were broken,
including three freshman records. Those were toppled by DaVe
Clapp in the 880 and one-mile runs, and Jon Van Loon
in the triple jump.
The weather at Evangel College (Springfield, Missouri)
the following day was a balmy 60 degrees, but on April
2, the day of the Royals' meet there, it was 30 degrees
and windy. The meet was held outside, anyway. Bethel was
again close to victory in that triangular contest, losing by
three points to School of the Ozarks, with Evangel running
a poor third. The Royals' most impressive showing was in
the 440-yard intermediate hurdles. John Selvog was first,
Scott Anderson second, and Tom Schaffer third.
Snow at Southwest State College of Minnesota forced the
cancellation of the Banana Relays April 5, but Bethel went
instead to St. John's University at St. Cloud to compete
indoors against St. John's and St. Thomas. Although the
The mile relay team - Bill Whittaker, John Cox, Curt
Brown, Steve Whittaker - turned in a record-breaking time
of 3 :33.2, bettering the previous Bethel record by .4 seconds.
Steve Whittaker set a new 880-yard record, Jeff Larson broke
his own previous two-mile record set at Graceland, and Gene
Blair ran a lightning 51.0 in the 440-yard dash.
Steve Whittaker said that the over-abundance of broken
records was partially due to the late extension of the indoor
season this year. However, he expects the team to continue
a similar performance as it moves outdoors, beginning
tomorrow at Macalester. One member especially eager for the
outdoor season to begin is Westmont transfer Mark Edwards,
who has difficulty throwing his discus indoors.
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Much is made these days of the negative side of sports.
People are becoming demoralized with the corruption, graft
and big business aspects of athletics in America, and some
are suggesting a complete reorganization of sports. I am forced
to concur with these people.
It is clear that sports in our country today are ori- ·
ented to the professionals. Although professional sports can
be enjoyable and can serve as top-notch entertainment, they
can also rip-off the public to an incredible degree. This was
obvious in the recent Ali-Wepner heavyweight "fight." The
public will accept and pay for anything under the guise of
"sports," and the money men are well aware of it. I'm
not saying that professional sports are fixed, or matiacontrolled
(although the notion has often entered my mind).
Rather, I am saying, at the risk of overstatement, that
they are money centered rather than sport centered.
Major college and university sports are also guilty of
"money corruption." Often, they serve as little more than
"feeder systems" for the professional leagues. Schools look
to their athletic ' programs to bolster their images and in
turn, increase the gate receipts, and the school enrollment.
Here again, money is the goal, and the participants become
Could it be that the small private college is the last
vestige of hope for sports in America? Could it be that
Bethel is one of the few institutions left that does not
pervert the general decency of athletic competition?
Can we prevent money politics from creeping into our
sports program? I would hope that Bethel is interested in
maintaining and bettering its overall athletic program. Further,
I would hope that when it comes time for decisions
to be :made by those higher up than I, concerning the
future of Bethel and Bethel athletics, money matters will
be pushed aside as much as possible. There is good in
sports that transcends financial considerations.
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Among the recent pledges coming in from the track
team's December marathon was an $11.60 check from Minnesota
Democratic senator Hubert Humphrey. Humphrey
pledged five cents for every mile of the 232 miles that the
squad ran in its second annual fund-raising marathon.
Form letters were also sent to other dignitaries, including
Gerald Ford and Walter Mondale. So far, Humphrey has
been the only one to respond, and the track team is as pleased
as punch.
Bethel's Tom Schaffer (left) leaped over the first
hurdle at Mankato State College in the' 60-yard high
hurdles event
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Macalester College will be the site of an important fiveteam
meet tomorrow at 1 :30 as the Royals run against Hamline,
Macalester, Superior and Augsburg.
In three meets during a cold spring vacation, the men's
track team was twice forced inside on meets scheduled in
the outdoor season. The Royals dropped a close meet March
31 to Graceland College (Lamoni, Iowa) on its 220-yard
indoor Tartan track. Graceland's superior speed in the 880
and mile relays made the difference between what Captain
Steve Whittaker called two "evenly matched" teams. The
absence of key-scoring regulars "Willy" Gardner, sidelined
with a pulled muscle, and Frank Bahr also did not help
to further Bethel's cause.
Nevertheless, four Bethel records were broken at Graceland.
Dave Clapp clipped two-tenths of a second off the
880-yard freshman record. The 880-yard relay team of John
Selvog, Mike Bogard, Bruce Peterson and Gene Blair set a
track, continued on page nine
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The Officers of Wofford College Department of Campus Safety and I would like to welcome you to our campus. It is our desire that your stay at Wofford is safe, rewarding and enjoyable.
Our Department takes the protection of our students, faculty, staff and property very seriously. Our number one resource in this endeavor is the members of our campus community. The vigilance of our students, faculty and staff is invaluable- we depend on the quick reporting of incidents and conscientious (albeit common sense) property security methods. Our officers are available twenty-four hours a day and will assist you as needed.
As a member of the campus community, we ask that you take measures to protect yourself and your property. Take a moment to record your valuable property items on our property ID form and drop off a copy with Campus Safety and keep a copy for your records. A good digital photo of your items is also a good idea. Operation ID forms can be obtained here. Our officers will lend you an engraver to mark your belongings as well. Remember to always lock you dorm room as that is the best way to protect your property. Observation of College rules and policies is necessary for the maintenance of good order and safety. For information about rules and policies of the college, please visit either the Department's or the Student Affairs website. While we want you to enjoy your time at Wofford, we expect you to obey the laws of the state and rules of the college. This is especially true in cases of alcohol and drug use.
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Tired of the poorly photographed crapboxen that are Burbed bread and butter? Today's house is for you, if you can find it.This property is brought to you by Burbed reader wahnny. Thanks very much!
21680 CALERO CREEK Ct
San Jose, CA 95120
5 Beds
7 Baths
7,533 Sq. Ft.
$133 / Sq. Ft.
Built: 2002
Lot Size: 3.10 Acres
On Redfin: 17 days
Status: Pending With Release
Property Type: Detached Single Family
Stories: 2
County: Santa Clara
Style: Traditional, Mediterranean
Community: Almaden Valley
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Just came across this quite georgious estate.
Asking price is WAY less than its assessed value. Lotsa cauwlums and ornate finishings adorn the "10 YEARS YOUNG" 7500+sqft estate on 3+acres. Aside from overhead powerlines, rather small pool, and location on the fringes of the RBA, it might still incite a bidding war, as per AGENT INTENT.
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As to that AGENT INTENT, here's what the FAQ in the disclosures packet has to say about that asking price:
8. Why list so low?
Sellers are aware that neither appraisers, nor realtors determine what the VALUE or the final sales price of a home will be, it's the BUYERS that determine the final price thus the new market value of the home. They wanted to market and list their home non-traditional and something innovative that would attract plenty of interest and one good offer that had the best price and terms.
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A new study reports that a form of malaria, generally considered a tropical disease, is being contracted by birds as far north as Fairbanks.
The report was published in the science journal PLOS ONE on Wednesday.
"It is predicted that malaria parasites will spread to both higher altitudes and latitudes with global warming," it says.
That may not be as alarming as it sounds. Avian malaria cannot be transmitted to people.
"While the parasites are related, they are not the same and it would be stretch to predict human malaria in the near future in Alaska," said Karsten Hueffer, a specialist in microbiology and infectious diseases with the Alaska Institutional Development Award Biomedical Excellence based at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
Nonetheless, a press release from San Francisco State University announcing the publication of the paper asserts that the data may "provide clues as to how malaria might spread in humans as a result of global warming."
The paper is titled "First evidence and predictions of Plasmodium transmission in Alaskan bird populations."
Hueffer called the study "important in that it shows transmission of avian malaria in Alaska quite convincingly."
That transmission, the report's authors warn, could prove devastating to northern bird species that have not encountered the disease and have no resistance to it.
Claire Loiseau, a post-doctoral fellow at San Francisco State who oversaw collection of samples and lab work and is the lead author of the report, is currently working in the tropics.
Several Alaskans collaborated with California-based scientists in the study, including Sue Guers of the Alaska Bird Observatory in Fairbanks and Bruce Seppi with the Bureau of Land Management in Anchorage.
Co-author Ravinder Sehgal, associate professor of biology at San Francisco State, told the Daily News that the research was part of an ongoing project that has been under way for three years that recently expanded to include bugs as well as birds.
In 2010 and 2011, Loiseau and her associates collected birds in Alaska and tested their blood for the Plasmodium parasites that cause the disease.
"This year we became interested in identifying the mosquito vector," Sehgal said. "We started getting mosquitoes in Coldfoot in July.
"It wasn't very hard to do."
Some 6,000 mosquitoes were captured and taken to California where they are now being examined, Seghal said.
Etymologist Anthony Cornel of U.C. Davis is currently identifying each of those 6,000 bugs to determine its species.
"You have many, many species of mosquitoes in Alaska and we don't know which one is doing the transmitting," Seghal said.
After a mosquito's species is determined, it is being submitted to a quick molecular diagnostic test for the parasite. The technology was developed in the past 10 years, Seghal said, and has made it possible to do tests more quickly. "Before that you had to dissect the salivary glands of the mosquito; that's where the parasite develops."
Millions of birds fly to Alaska from southern climates every summer and some have been shown to carry malaria parasites.
Previous studies, however, only examined migratory birds, Sehgal said. For the first two years of the study, Loiseau's group tested non-migratory Alaska birds -- known as "residents" -- and young birds that had been born in Alaska but had not yet left the area -- called "hatch year birds."
Sehgal said birds in Fairbanks, Denali and Anchorage had the parasite and that some of the infected birds were birds that had never left Alaska. Samples were also taken in Coldfoot, just above the Arctic Circle, but no parasites were found at that latitude.
Sehgal noted that penguins brought from malaria-free Antarctica to zoos in warmer climates have contracted the disease and died.
"We think that some of the birds that have never been exposed to it in the far north may also die from it," he said. He mentioned snowy owls and gyrfalcons as examples.
"The only thing is, we don't know," he said. "This would have to be tested."
Hueffer wrote in an email that the paper does not report a change in transmission. "Nothing is known about this issue in the past. The transmission might have been going on for decades or centuries. The interesting part is that transmission could not be detected north of Fairbanks and, that is where the potential change in the future (or currently, we just don't have the data) comes in."
Sehgal said tests conducted in the Canadian Arctic in the 1960s showed that resident birds in that area had never had the disease. "They may have come in contact with (migratory) birds that had it, but there was never transmission," he said. "That has to be done by mosquitoes." That's why the researchers pushed to collect the insects this year.
The Anopheles genus of mosquito, which can transmit malaria to humans, is not native to most of Alaska according to a map prepared by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Loiseau's team also prepared an estimate of how global climate change might effect the spread.
"We developed a predictor model based on predictions of temperature change up to 2080," said Sehgal. "It seems to get above the Arctic Circle, but doesn't reach the Arctic Ocean."
A map included in the report says that the part of the state south of a rough line from the north coast of the Seward Peninsula to Tok Junction as being suitable for Plasmodium transmission at this time. A narrow band reaching to Coldfoot is designated as suitable for transmission now and in the future and the area north of the Continental Divide is given as unsuitable.
"But we don't have any way to verify those models on the ground," Sehgal said.


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Thursday, July 8, 2010
Tom Wark's Sermontation
1. The BP oil spill is exactly like the Three Tier Distribution System. In the brief history of the United States, a history unlike the history of any other country because no other country borders Mexico and Canada at the same time, the BP oil spill is the worst ecological catastrophe ever seen. Similarly, the Three Tier Distribution System sucks too. All of us bear some responsibility for the BP disaster. We insist on using fossil fuels to power our vehicles, heat our homes, run the gigantic Google servers that bring you this important, pioneering blog, and blow leaves from our driveways. If there were no demand for oil, there would have been no BP disaster. I imagine you hadn't thought of that. Compare that to the Three Tier Distribution system as it now stands in this great country that borders both Canada and Mexico, where, by the way, there are no Three Tier Distribution Systems even though, supposedly, they are countries more backwards than the United States. Perhaps all of us bear some responsibility for the Three Tier Distribution System as well. We allow it to exist when we know it's wrong. So just as we need to clean up the oil in the Gulf of Mexico, we need to eradicate the oily mess that is the Three Tier Distribution system. The oil companies own our government just as the liquor distributors own our state legislatures. It's time we take them back, return government to the people it belongs to, the ignorant masses. I predict that the Three Tier Distribution System will be dismantled about the same time we give up our cars and squeegee all the seagulls clean.
2. The rise of wine bloggers is like the rise of oil from the ocean floor. Wine bloggers have changed the wine environment in similar ways to how the oil from the Deepwater well has changed the Gulf of Mexico. Where once there were clear waters and smooth sailing, now there's all sorts of crap floating around. When I invented wine blogging several years ago, and created the Wine Blog Awards, I confess I didn't know how important it would be to the wine business. I could not have foreseen how important I would become. Now, just as the Deepwater well has sprung a leak spewing unfathomable amounts of goo and crude from one location that has spread all over the Gulf of Mexico, so has wine blogging spread all over the world. And despite the efforts of many to try and stop the wellspring of bloggers, nothing has worked. Just as thousands of gallons of oil emerge from Deepwater every day, so hundreds of new wine bloggers emerge, unleashed from the bounds of traditional media just as the oil has been unleashed without the use of traditional wells, and with much the same results. The waters of the wine business will never be the same. And even when the flood of wine bloggers is capped, if it's capped, the effect will be felt for generations. Just like the BP disaster, we have yet to see whether it's a good thing or not.
3. Wineries had better learn to embrace Social Media in the ways I tell them to or they face their own BP disaster. Just as British Petroleum had all the resources to avoid a catastrophe like the one in the Gulf of Mexico, a catastrophe that has brought them to the edge of financial ruin, so do wineries have the resources to hire a person for Social Media. Those that do not face the same dire consequences as BP--their names besmirched, their company boycotted and despised, and huge profits for their executives. I advise my winery clients, who will remain anonymous because that's what they hired me to do, to use wine bloggers and Twitter and FaceBook even if it means they divert resources from vineyard management and cleanliness. The only thing that matters about wine is how it's promoted. Had BP had the foresight and planning to promote their oil spill in a positive light, the company would be in fine shape. What if BP had mounted a campaign to emphasize that the Deepwater spill brings oil discovery to the people? The people who walk the beach, the people who fish the Gulf waters, the people who are birdwatchers. Would people still be as outraged? What if BP had blamed Al Qaeda? Just carefully insinuated through a series of carefully orchestrated Tweets and FaceBook quotes that it was Osama bin Laden working with a team of divers trained at a school in Florida who were responsible for the spill? Suddenly the whole country would be rallying to help the poor folks at BP. Rudy Giuliani would be giving inspirational speeches and Bruce Springsteen would write a song, "I'm Gonna Miss Tuna, Miss Tuna, How's About We Plug Your Well." Wineries need to use Social Media in the same way corporate giants use FOX news, and, believe me, bloggers are more than eager to oblige. The ones who aren't already marketing people (aka, Wine Blog Award Winners) are for sale, and cheap. It behooves wineries to spend their money where it should be spent, on marketing. If you're paying a winemaker more than you're paying your marketing people, you're making a terrible mistake. Wineries that make that mistake will end up with the kind of disaster on their hands that BP has.
4. Traditional wine writers are going the way of marine life in the Gulf of Mexico. A few will survive, those that are able to withstand the most oily residue, like Jay McInerny who has had years of hair gel as practice, but most will perish under the wave of noxious slime that is wine bloggers. This is just how it goes, get over it. The landscape changes, and what changes it the most is natural disaster. And so it is with the wine business. No one could have foreseen that winery owners would have to move from kissing the diamond-tipped drill bits of James Laube and Robert Parker to greasing the palms of a giant school of wine blogging barracuda, but that's just how it goes. All wine bloggers are wine writers because I say so. And so wine writing has much in common with the Gulf of Mexico.
We're going to miss them both.
24 comments:
- Chuck said...
Given the deep level of piscesit incest between Jacky Fisher and Mohammed Reza Shah, all true sons of BP, like Tony Hayward, are know as Shans. So with a toot from Lilibet de Fart Hayward's Bob went three sheets in the wind, i.e. a fit hit the shan-tail.
- July 8, 2010 at 12:57 PM
- Thomas said...
You make me fear the day that you choose to skewer me.
Also, you have my permission to zap Chuck's comment.
I'll be off the Internet for a few days hence--who knows, maybe forever! Hope Tom pipes up on this entry...and I'll check back on Monday.
- July 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM
I've been busy hailing the rise of the blogger and bringing down the three tier system. Did something happen in the Gulf of Mexico while I was doing the real important work?
Tom Wark
- July 8, 2010 at 6:52 PM
I thought you were sick?
- July 8, 2010 at 9:01 PM
- Samantha Dugan said...
Um, I think I love you. Lots my shit on this one Love. Um, Tom I adore you but this was freaking hilarious.
- July 8, 2010 at 9:32 PM
- abc said...
Have you recovered from the flu?
My verification word is squido--now I'll be back to thinking about the psychic octopus.
- July 9, 2010 at 7:12 AM
- Chuck said...
After perusing this delightful site, far be it from me to skewer such an endangered species as a thinking being. In general my family has limited itself to skewering royalty. Family motto:
See Maltravers crest at
- July 9, 2010 at 7:14 AM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
Hey Chuck,
OK, welcome aboard, I guess. If you want to be the Professor Irwin Corey of HoseMaster, be my guest. Thanks for adding to the nonsense.
Never fear the HoseMaster skewer. It's for your own good, like trepanning. Enjoy your time away from the evil Internet--don't worry, sadly it will be here when you get back.
Really? You've been hailing bloggers and badmouthing the three tier system? Amazing. Just a lucky guess on my part.
Aren't you sorry now you disqualified yourself for a Poodle?
(I thought I may as well keep beating on my latest drum.)
My Gorgeous Samantha,
You make me blush. Or is that the flu? Either way, thanks. One day I'll take an hour and tell you everything that's wrong with this post. But I'm thrilled when I make you laugh.
All I really like was "Sermontation." Once I had the name, I had the piece.
- July 9, 2010 at 8:24 AM
- Samantha Dugan said...
Lost, lost my shit....who's blushing now? Don't want to hear what you think is wrong with this post but I would however LOVE to spend an hour with you sometime....just sayin'
- July 9, 2010 at 10:06 AM
- Marcia Macomber said...
Likely my fave: "No one could have foreseen that winery owners would have to move from kissing the diamond-tipped drill bits of James Laube and Robert Parker to greasing the palms of a giant school of wine blogging barracuda, but that's just how it goes."
I think that's classic Wark verbiage. Perhaps you're right though: The title says it all.
- July 9, 2010 at 2:16 PM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
My Gorgeous Samantha,
Don't worry, Baby, I love you lost! I think that's a typo.
I think I spent more time worrying about the title than the actual post. But I knew it when it came to me.
I just can't believe Tom hasn't posted a link to it on Sermontation!
- July 9, 2010 at 2:30 PM
- Marcia Macomber said...
I believe if you format your request for the linkback to Tom in the same manner as his topic today you may get the desired results.
After all, today's sermon is about actually asking for the sale. You'll have to spell it out!
- July 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
Marcia Darling,
Damn! You're a marketing genius. I'm off to Sermontation now to do as you suggest.
I'm sure Tom will love it.
- July 9, 2010 at 3:11 PM
I'm really tired, it's really late. I was about to hit the hay and thought I'd check and see if the fat guy was gone or you were.
So now I'm still tired, its still really late and I am laughing all the way to the bed.
And you're right, of course, sometimes it only takes one word. But I laughed at an awful lot of the extra ones.
Thanks for sweet dreams.
- July 9, 2010 at 8:39 PM
- D J R-S said...
I had a hard time moving past the well-lubricated babe in the picture ...between that, & the thought that Canada & Mexico could have joined hands across California, as it were, & had a border with each other...(& my 95 year old dad arguing incoherently with his caretaker nurse in the next room when the apnea wakes him up every few hours, too, I must admit) I don't think I'm getting much sleep tonight...
(captcha: mingsgar...Flash Gordon's ter?)
- July 9, 2010 at 10:44 PM
- Ron Washam said...
Dear Kathy,
Glad I could send you to sleep with a smile. Not usually my strong point.
It's always hardest to parody someone you know and like. I'm sure that if I weren't friends with Tom, at least I used to be friends with Tom, this would have been a lot more vicious. I've been thinking about lampooning Tom for months, but was never happy with anything I could come up with subjectwise. BP seemed perfect; and once that was in my head, and then the title, it was pretty easy because my evil HoseMaster twin had been rehearsing it for a long time.
Yeah, I know, who cares? But thank you for the kind words.
Not sleepy? Go read Catavino.
- July 10, 2010 at 8:54 AM
- El Jefe said...
I enjoy this blog for its wicked satire (though this post didn't have nearly enough spelling misteaks), but what I really enjoy is the capcha fun! It gives me such an "inache".
- July 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM
- Alfonso Cevola said...
This post kept refreshing and these are the kaptcha words they gave me:
I am so jealous of your kaptcha words...
- July 11, 2010 at 2:35 PM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
El Jefe,
Stop lurking and start commenting! Sheesh. I've got more silent bystanders than an Oakland riot.
What's amazing is you used every one of those words in your recent post! I especially liked, "hypitie the fool who doesn't like Sicilian wines!"
- July 12, 2010 at 8:14 AM
- CabFrancoPhile said...
This is a bit off topic, but I have to ask. Ron, did you make the blog http://chelsieswines.blogspot.com/ just to spite the world? It's clearly the work of a comedic mastermind, and naturally I assumed you were somehow behind it. The following quote about a $5 Aussie Cab has your fingerprints on it, I just know it:
"The Black Swan rivals some top-notch wines at many wineries I have had the pleasure of visiting."
- July 12, 2010 at 6:53 PM
- Alfonso Cevola said...
you arawiz
- July 13, 2010 at 3:41 AM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
Cab Franco,
Wow! That just might be the worst blog since WineHarlots. It sure reads like a put-on. What's really scary is how much it reads like about 300 wine blogs out there who review more expensive wines, but just as poorly and inarticulately. I'd thank you for bringing it to my attention, but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to erase it from my memory. Chelsie, if you're out there, GET HELP!!
- July 13, 2010 at 9:17 AM
- Charlie Olken said...
I'm back. Great way to start the day.
I also predict the death of winewriting. It will happen in the year 2313 when we will all transmit our thoughts over as yet-to-be-invented brain waves from transmitters inserted in our brains at birth. Marvin Shanken will own the rights to the WineBrain Network.
- July 15, 2010 at 9:11 AM
- Ron Washam, HMW said...
Hey Charlie,
Welcome back.
Having to use brain waves for wine writing will definitely eliminate bloggers, who mostly lack the basic equipment.
- July 15, 2010 at 11:22 AM


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I witnessed one of the Ospreys which are nesting in Lindsay Park here in Manawa. Not sitting in the nest of course, but trying to catch some sun or sleep, I'm not sure which on the light pole adjacent to the nest. I hadn't known that we had nesting Ospreys and have for a few years. Tammy told me that they had actually had to move the location of the nest as it was in quite a precarious spot prior to this year. The Osprey didn't pay us any mind, although as you can see from the pictures we were certainly in awe.
May 22nd, 2010 by Judy Trull


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About the Book
Before Reading the Book
About the Book
fables may be thousands of years old, but they are just as fresh
and popular today as they were then. Children still grow up hearing
"The Tortoise and the Hare" and "The Lion and the Mouse," and everyone
recognizes Aesop's famous morals like "Look before you leap" and
"Slow and steady wins the race." Fables also exist in many other
cultures, making them an international form of storytelling.
Squids Will Be Squids
is full of brand-new, modern fables... and they couldn't be more
different from Aesop's! Jon Scieszka and Lane Smith's collection
of fables poke fun at the old traditional fables (just as their
book The Stinky Cheese Man poked fun at traditional
fairy tales). Unlike Aesop's traditional animal characters, this
crazy cast includes a sad squid, a duckbilled platypus, a piece
of toast, a horseshoe crab, and even a beefsnakstik! And the morals
of these stories aren't bits of wisdom; instead, they are nonsensical
modern messages, including: "Just because you have a lot of stuff,
don't think you're so special," "Don't play with matches," and "Breakfast
is the most important meal of the day."
Reading the Book
Before you read Squids Will Be
Squids, take some time to explore classic fables and morals
with your students. You can start by reading aloud the short, funny
introduction to Aesop and his fables in the beginning of Squids
Will Be Squids, but it lacks a lot of detail, so look elsewhere
To teach your class what the elements
of a fable are, begin by reading a few aloud. Some classic fables
that many of your students will probably recognize are "Wolf in
Sheep's Clothing," "The Ant and the Grasshopper," "The Tortoise
and the Hare," and "The Fox and the Grapes." After you have finished
these stories, ask your class what all of these fables had in common.
They will probably discover for themselves the two prominent characteristics
of a fable, which are:
All fables feature animals (or occasionally,
objects) who speak and act like human beings. All fables contain
a moral.
Once your class has discovered these
two characteristics that define all fables, you may wish to use
further questions to get them thinking harder about fables. For
example, ask your class why they think fables are told with animals
rather than with people. Discuss the meaning of the word "moral"
(a lesson drawn from a story that teaches correct behavior or a
universal truth). Would a fable still be a fable if it didn't contain
a moral?
Fractured Fables
Write your own silly fractured
fables, Mad-Lib style! Pick a classic fable from Aesop (like "Tortoise
and the Hare" or "The Fox and the Grapes") or a fable from Squids
Will Be Squids.
Circle the words that you will replace: the names of the characters,
a few nouns and verbs, the setting and situation, and some or all
of the moral. You can do this together as a class, or create a reproducible
for each student to create on his own (which is also useful for
a crash review of nouns and verbs). Either way, your students will
create their own funny fables; "The Tortoise and the Hare" might
turn out to be about poodle and an ostrich who are competing in
a hot dog eating contest!
Animal Personalities
Fables usually feature animals that demonstrate very specific human
characteristics. Make a list of some of the animals that appear
in the fables you read in class and discuss the characteristics
associated with them. For example, foxes are portrayed as smart
and sneaky, chickens usually act a little stupid, wolves are always
ferocious and mean, and lions are usually courageous, noble, and
brave. Some of the creatures with definite personalities from Squids
Will Be Squids are the Elephant, the Slug, the Matches,
and the trio of the Shark, the Wasp, and the Bacteria. You may also
want to discuss other stories, fairy tales, or cartoons where animals
demonstrate human personalities.
Coming Attractions!
Lane Smith did some pretty good illustrations of the crazy characters
in the book? now it's your turn! New movies always have huge "Coming
Attraction" posters to get audiences excited about their movie.
Pretend that Squids Will Be Squids is the latest huge
movie, and that you're creating a "Coming Attractions" poster. Write
the title and author in big bold letters on a huge piece of paper,
and illustrate it with several of your favorite scenes from the
book. They don't have to look like Lane Smith's pictures either;
draw them any way you want to! You may also want to do this as a
class on an enormous piece of paper or poster board.
Considering Your Words
The last two pages of the book deal with the reported story
of Aesop being thrown off a cliff because an ancient king recognized
that Aesop was saying bad things about him in his fables. Discuss
the ways in which words, both written and spoken, can hurt people's
feelings. Making fun of people can be especially hurtful, and even
though these fables are all written in good fun, your students'
writings should never make fun of anyone else.
Multicultural Approach
Aesop, who was an ancient Greek,
was the most famous writer of fables. However, fables have been
written in cultures all around the world. There are fables whose
origins lie in Japanese, African, and Native American cultures,
to name just a few of the many. Find some collections of these fables
(many of which are labeled as folk tales) and make a point of including
them, as well as a brief discussion of their origins. These would
also compliment a multicultural day, or a study of another culture.
Fairy Tale Message Board
Once your students have completed some of the activities above,
you can have them publish their work online.


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Nonpoint Postpone Show Over Elias Soriano's Back Injury
The road can be grueling, and Nonpoint's Elias Soriano is a little worse for wear at this point. The band called off a recent performance in Savannah, Ga. and have a few more days off before playing again, which may give the singer enough time to recover from a back injury.
In addition, Soriano has been suffering from the flu, along with a couple of other band members and crew according to an Instagram posting from the group. Nonpoint have been on a headlining tour with support from Candlelight Red and Digital Summer, but will turn to supporting All That Remains on the road in March.
In their posting about the Savannah show postponement, the band stated:
Due to an injury that has taken place with Elias and his back during a recent performance and at this time we are forced to reschedule tomorrow's show. Anyone who has seen a Nonpoint show knows how passionate we are about the live performance and giving each and every one of you a show you deserve. With that said Elias will make a full recovery, but must take the next few days to ensure the medication has time to work.
Please know this was a very difficult decision but his health and recovery is most important to ensure we can continue to melt your faces for the rest of 2013 and beyond! We are working on a new date as we speak with the promoter and radio station, please make sure to check back in the morning for further details on the new date, we will also be working on creating something very special for all of you around the new date. Thank you all for understanding- NP
Nonpoint are currently promoting their self-titled album.


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Director: Jack Arnold
80 min
Starring: John Agar, Mara Corday, Leo G. Carroll and Nestor Paiva, among others.
See it on YouTube: link
I don't like spiders. Eight-legged freaks. And this is a film about one hell of a spider, big as the Empire State Building. Creeps me out.
The introduction scene is spectacular: The camera sweeps over a windy desert. We see a man stumbling towards us, a close-up reveals his deformed face and hands. Then he falls and dies. Bam-bada-bah-bah! Pompous music and the title Tarantula take over the screen, and the film begins. Brilliant-
The musical score for this film is amazing, by the way.
The first person we get acquainted with is "Doc" Hastings (Agar), receiving a phone call about a strange body found in the desert. After a quick look, Doc comes to the conclusion that the man had suffered from acromegaly, a rare disease that causes excessive growth on parts of the body. The problem is that acromegaly takes several years to develop, and according to testimony the man had looked normal only four days before.
The dead man shows to be a scientist by the name of Eric, who worked at an isolated laboratory in the desert. His colleage Professor Deemer (Carroll) refuses to admit that anything other than acromegaly could have been the cause of Eric's death, but when we get to follow him into his laboratory and get to see abnormally large rabbits and guinea pigs (and a tarantula...) we start to suspect that there is another explaination.
Soon we also get to see another deformed assistant, Paul, starting a fight with Prof. Deemer. Expensive equipment is destroyed, animal cages break and a fire breaks out. Paul manages to knock out Prof. Deemer, and while he is unconcious Paul injects him with something. Then Paul dies, and we see a gigantic tarantula escape into the desert.
Before the first assistant Eric died, he had sent for a science student by the name of Stephanie "Steve" Clayton (Corday). Our leading man Doc encounters her, and since he has decided to investigate the secret desert experiments he offers to driver her there. Need I say that they develop a romantic interest for each other?
Steve is a smart, independent woman, and Prof. Deemer decides to employ her as an assistent since her original employer died so mysteriously.
While the mystery surrounding the experiments slowly are revealed to us, we witness the escaped tarantula growing even larger, until it has to eat both cattle and humans to satisfy its hunger.
Tarantula is in no way near the brilliance of Earth vs. the Flying Saucers [post] and other movies like it, but it sure is entertaining. The giant spider looks marvelous, and probably because the film makers chose to use a real spider instead of coming up with some stop motion solution. The makeup for the deformed humans is spectacular, it's almost uncomfortable to look at.
The actors are fairly good, but how frustrating they were towards the climax of the film! I should probably blame the script for that and not the actors, but Jesus suffering Christ... If I were to have a conversation with this film, it would probably go something like this:
Actors: Oh no! The giant tarantula is coming after us!
Lolita: Luckily enough, you have a car. Just drive off.
Actors: Aaaah! We must get into the car!
Lolita: Like I just said!
Actors: We drive 15 meters, then we stop the car and look if the tarantula is still going after us!
Lolita: Ehm... what? No - keep driving!
Actors: Okay, let's jump out of the car!
Lolita: No! Don't do it, you dumbass motherfuckers!
Actors: Oh no!!! It's still after us! What are we going to do?!
Lolita: Do nothing, just die. I hate you.
Now, what do you think of Prof. Deemer's estimation of the world population? Quote:
The disease of hunger, like most diseases, well, it spreads. There are 2 billion people in the world today. In 1975 there'll be 3 billion. In the year 2000, there'll be 3,625,000,000.Real numbers: In 1955 there were 2.8 billion people in the world. In 1975: 4 billion. In the year 2000 there were no less than 6 billion people on earth! That poor old man would have had a heart attack if he had known.
I also love how the movie ends. What were they thinking?
- Well, all the town's dynamite supply didn't have any effect at all on the tarantula. We have to find another solution.
- Hmm... How about... more explosives?
- Yay!
So, Clint Eastwood drops napalm on the spider. I bet that this movie was the American government's main inspiration when dealing with foreign countries - Napalm solves anything!
(Okay, my American readers get the permission to physically abuse me, now.)
I'll let Mara Corday comfort you for my unscrupulous attacks on The Land of the Brave!


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I also forgot about /sys dir here, we have /proc for all the "kernel stuff" why do we need another one? One big M.E.S.S
religions, worst damnation of mankind
"If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never had happened." Linus Torvalds
Linux is not UNIX! Face it! It is not an insult. It is fact: GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not UNIX".
vermaden's: links resources deviantart spreadbsd
I've heard there is a mechanism for limiting resource usage via jails (in fact it's at http://wiki.freebsd.org/JailResourceLimits ), though I haven't looked into it very much.
It's a shame that we don't have a whole lot more available. NetBSD supports XEN, so you could use NetBSD host and go from there. XEN support is supposed to be coming soon to FreeBSD.
As I'm working towards my SCSA for Solaris 10, I'm looking more at Solaris Zones (though I don't have Solaris running on any of my servers here at home... hmm... if only I can convince the wife to let me buy a new box).
I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by fleeing the scene of the accident!
You want more people to use BSD? Forget about!
Or, if you want to take it the other way round - if you want xBSD to prevail as an elitist OS just for the "enlightened" followers of the only (self-)righteous way, then carry on this way. And be sure - M$ & Co. will laugh at you while you remain in your "splendid isolation" with your noses held high!
Again - sorry for my harsh words - but such an arrogant swagger is really annoying.
As to whether I want more people to use *BSD, personally if it means it is going to become like what I experienced over there,, then no, I don't want more people using it. I am using BSD for enterprise, mission critical applications, not serving torrents. This is where the Linux community seems to have a problem - where to draw the line between playing and serious computing. To me, the *BSDs seem to be more serious in the server space. Insisting on loading a GUI on a SERVER tells me not only are your admin skills deficient, but you also don't want to learn any either.
Well, going back to your earlier post, about being ignored, reminds me of the old saying, You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think--errm, no, that's not right, you can lead a horse to water, but can't make them drink, whatever. Or, like Marcus Aurelius wrote, in 167 AD, If you've done a good deed, isn't that reward enough? Why are you expecting gratitude as well.
It happens all the time. Think of the old cartoon, a woman asking her husband why he's still up--he's typing away frantically, saying, "Someone got something wrong on the Internet." I try to give newcomer friendly answers and put up pages when it seems a good idea.
For example, I've become, through necessity, somewhat of an expert on the Atheros AR5007EG card in Linux. I've seen people post about their 5006 card, just put a link to my page, watched the thread go on as they can't install ndiswrapper, and then, 10 posts later, realize it's an AR5007EG, as I'd mentioned, but just don't worry about it. I don't get upset. Maybe it's age.
As was said, Ubuntu's a bad choice, as it attracts so many who are just bored or fed up with Windows, even in the server section. My admiration goes to the experienced on those forums who keep their patiences with the newcomers. They have one way of thinking, and that includes GUIs on servers.
You'd probably get more appreciation on the Fedora forums (as well as people who will ignore it or snidely say, Yes, but I want a GUI.) Personally, as I think I said somewhere in this thread, I really don't understand why RH makes their distribution so gnome-centric.
As for defending your use of Linux and VMware, as you say, it's mission critical, and you're not doing yourself or your customers a favor trying something that you don't know as well. As my work these days is CentOS centric, I'm actually planning to move my server stuff from my aging BSD box to a CentOS box, but am trying to figure out the closest thing to a jail. I'll probably wind up going with Vserver. (It's the same idea, it's not complete virtualization in the sense of VMware or VirtualBox, more of a super chroot.)
So, I wouldn't even waste time worrying about those who ignore your pearls of wisdom. There are more important things to worry about, such as your customers and paying the rent.
It's nice to be appreciated, but, especially with Ubuntu, it's a different sort of mndset. It doesn't even mean they are wrong. I suspect that those who ignore you aren't working with real production machines, or the first part of their post would have consisted of explanations as to why they want X on a server, since it usually isn't considered best practice.
Ok, seriously.
Who cares?
If people want to use a GUI on their server, why should we care? They use a GUI, we use a commandline, and we're all friends.
If people ask for help here, they will generally get "commandline answers", and on Ubuntu forums they will generally get "GUI answers" ... It's different, but not better or worse IMO ...
UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things.
You DO have a point here. I wasn't being rabid about it, just "suggesting" it may take less resources among other things. they could always find out for themselves, but they may end up blaming Linux in general instead of realizing they should have been at run level 3.
"The" Linux community handles server-questions as good or bad as "the" xBSD community. You will find beginners with a small handmade homeserver for holiday-pictures or -films and you will find professionals who have to run the servers of a company. And the latter ones, I guess, would prefer specialized OS's, like Red Hat Enterprise, SuSe Enterprise or Solaris. With these operating systems you buy professional support, liability and warranty. And you won't need to discuss a problem in a forum with 16 years old kids, who feel geeky about running their small homeservers with a fancy non-windos OS.
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After reading through what is on Canonical's site I came upon this gem in the security section of the features of the Server Edition:
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." -Philip K. Dick
Scottro brings up points that hit home with me.
I evangelize two things that are important to me, and have spent too much time trying to show people the error of their ways. Mo$t of the$e people are noob$ or, mo$tly, another $ort. But, thi$ other $ort:
Is just too frustrating to deal with. They drink from a firehose and are untrainable. It gets me all upset and, as of just last night, I gave up. I deleted all links to such forums, resigned from one board I mod, and this, now, is the only place I check on every day.
Some people like to watch the pretty, blinking lights and some of us need to get the job done the best way.
My main point was and is, that it doesn't depend on the system you are using, but on your training and professionalism - maybe it's even a question of apprenticeship? But I don't think it's a question of using Linux or xBSD (or even M$ or Solaris).
I just wanted to point out that I work with many Linux guys... and none of them have GUIs on their servers. I think we should not blame a whole community for only a percentage of it's users, nor should you say all BSD users all elitist because a few are.
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
God has a long, straggly beard for a reason, ya' know.
I think that, no matter how you group people together, you'll always have a wide range of personalities within any given group. It cannot be avoided, because people are people. Sure, within any given group, one personality type may be more represented than in the general population, but that's the nature of the beast. You'll always have the experts, the newbies, the bigots, the impatient, the teachers, the disciples, the willfully ignorant, the knowledge-hungry, the loquatious, the lurkers, the braggarts, the humble, etc.. Generally speaking, in a community, like attracts like. Or, as the old saying goes, Birds of a feather flock together.
Ultimately, it is wisest not to assume that one person, or even one group, is a fair representation of the whole. The posters on the Ubuntu forums are not necessarily representative of Ubuntu users as a whole, just as the posters on this forum are not representative of BSD users as a whole.
That's nothing a couple o' pints wouldn't fix.
I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be rude or anything like that with my first post. But now I get what you're saying. I thought you were overall talking about Ubuntu (desktop version), but now that you mentioned that you were in the server community in Ubuntu I agree with what you're saying. There isn't much need for GUI when dealing with servers (my opinion at least).
I suspect--though of course, I don't know--that probably, some of the folks in that Ubuntu server section are again, kids who just want to do something different--wow, server, that's even cooler.
This isn't a putdown of the Ubuntu community--as I said in my first post on this thread, I think we owe them gratitude for their numbers and enthusiasm, which almost certainly begin to make hardware and software manufacturers think a little more about opensource support.
You'll note how busy the Ubuntu forums are. Using CentOS as contrast, as it's really more, despite the GUI aspects, more of a server O/S, there's a lot less traffic and most of the questions are either intelligent ones or ignored.
Conversely, on Ubuntu forums, I once got into a discussion of samurai vs. ninja and who would win. (The probable answer is that if one studies Japanese history, the lines were far more blurred than they are in video games and movies, so there's no real answer.)
One doesn't often, if ever, find such discussion on CentOS forums--people are too busy and are using it for production.
There's probably no such discussion on Debian mailing lists either--they're too serious--the CentOS people have a sense of humor, but are busy.
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