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Return of AMD FX: My OC'd AMD FX 8150 with OC'd 6990 Review - First Results Up!
Hi, first off I would like to introduce myself. My name is Panos, and I am a computer enthusiast who loves to benchmark. I am new to the blog scene, but I hope you guys like it here.
My first goal is to finally get some AMD FX 8150 benchmarks at a decent overclock. I have noticed that many websites, except for overclockersclub.com, really have not pushed FX to its limits. On top of that, poor FX is always paired with a more lower end card! Remember how AMD recommended using a 6990 with the FX 8150 in their original FX promotional video?
Enter Scorpius,
My Gaming Rig - ON AIR!!
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.81 Ghz 24/7 Stable (23.5 x 204)
Promlatech Genesis - 3 x Scythe Sflex 135mm
G.Skill 2200 Mhz Cl7 DDR3
XFX 6990 stock (830/1250) > OC (990/1500) 2 Hr Stable (Ungine Heaven 2.5) Catalyst 12.1 Preview
Arctic Twin Turbo 6990 Cooler
OCZ Revodrive 3 X2 240 Gb
HAF 932 - 10 x Additional Scythe Fans
OCZ 1000w ZX Gold PSU
Ungine Heaven 2.5
3DMark11 P/X
SiSoftware Sandra 2012
PCMark 7
Cinebench 11.5
Cinebench 10
Possibly more
Dirt 3
Alien vs. Predator
Possibly more
Finally Bulldozer can Breath! Will FX shine? or will it fall short? Will an overclocked FX bottleneck a 6990 OC'd?
First results ARE IN!! Techarp H.264 first and second pass results are up.
Tech ARP H.264 encoding benchmarks!! FX is back!
Tech ARP H.264 encoding First Pass / Second Pass Results
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.81 Ghz 24/7 Stable (23.5 x 204)
Promlatech Genesis - 3 x Scythe Sflex 135mm
G.Skill 2200 Mhz Cl7 DDR3
XFX 6990 stock (830/1250) > OC (990/1500) 2 Hr Stable (Ungine Heaven 2.5) Catalyst 12.1 Preview
Arctic Twin Turbo 6990 Cooler
OCZ Revodrive 3 X2 240 Gb
HAF 932 - 10 x Additional Scythe Fans
OCZ 1000w ZX Gold PSU
First Pass Results (Single Core Performance) :
In this benchmark, the single core performance of an overclocked AMD FX 8150 CPU @ 4.8 Ghz is better than a 3.7 Ghz (tubro) i5 2500k, but worse than a 4.0 Ghz i5 2500k.
Second Pass Results (Multi-threaded Performance) :
When all cores are used FX shines! Performance is well over a i7 2600k @ 4.5 Ghz, but less than 2 fps shy of a i7 2600k @ 5.0 Ghz. I am not sure about the low 5.18 ghz 2600k score =S... but its well over that aswell. It should also be notes that 3960x at 3.8 Ghz Turbo is not much faster than a 4.8 Ghz FX 8150.
This benchmark is well designed to take advantage of Bulldozer's architecture, but what about others?
Benchmarks source : Tech ARP - Where The Best In Technology Gather
3DMark11 Performance / Extreme Performance
ROUND 2 : 3DMark11
Finally a benchmark that utilizes GPU! We will see here whether FX bottlenecks or not while overclocked to 4.8 Ghz. The score to really look at is GPU score (as this directly relates to fps of the rendered scenes), but because the total score also heavily relies on GPU score (especially in the Extreme Preset) it is also a good measure.
3DMark11 Performance Preset:
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
6990 OC @ 990/1500 Mhz
Compared Results (with several 6990 OC's) :
As you can see the graphics score of my OC'd 6990 does not fall systematically behind intel rigs with similar GPU OC's. My GPU Score of 12046 is a clear winner over the rest of the rigs tested., however with combined and physics scores also put into consideration FX falls behind with a total score of only 10318.
The most noted comparison is that with the i5 2500k at 5.35 Ghz with a 6990 @ 1000/1420. Although it manages to squeeze out slightly higher combines/physics score, it still seems to bottleneck in GPU scores. The only intel cpu coming close to FX GPU score is the 3960x.
It should be noted that the OC on the 6990 does play a role in GPU score, so take these results with a grain of salt. a 930 Mhz OC is still 7% below a 990 Mhz OC, but nevertheless we can determine that FX does not heavily bottleneck when it is overclocked to 4.8 Ghz. What about Extreme Preset?
3DMark11 Extreme Preset:
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
6990 OC1 @ 880/1250Mhz
6990 OC2 @ 990/1500 Mhz
- - - OC1 - - - 6990 @ 880/1250Mhz
- - - OC2- - - 6990 @ 990/1500 Mhz
Comparison (from Hexus.net) :
The most noteable comparison is between my stock 6990 @ 880/1250 paired with my AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz, and their stock 6990 with the exact same clocks paired with a 980x @ 3.6 Ghz Turbo. The difference in score is mostly due to a difference in Graphics Score, as the 980x generally destroys the FX in physics and combined results even at stock.
This tells us alot about where FX bottlenecks or not, and the answer seems to be NO, atleast when comparing to a 980x @ 3.6 Ghz. The difference in score is roughly 5%, where the FX is slightly favoured.
When my 6990 is pushed to its stable limits @ 990/1500 Mhz, my score jumps an additional 13%. That is, for a 12/20% (clock/memory) overclock on my 6990. It is clear that an AMD FX 8150 does not bottleneck on Extreme Preset.
Look here : AMDFX: Look at this! for comparisons to 1100t @ 4.2 Ghz and i7 2600k Stock @ 3.8 Turbo.
These are examples where their GPUS are being bottlenecked. My Stock OC1 (880/1250) Graphics score actually manages to beat a 6990 @ 950/1450 on an 1100t @ 4.2 Ghz. (meaning higher fps). Here is an example where OCing a 6990 will not result in much benefit. (ie. the bottleneck is around that CPU frequency)
It is also interesting to see that OC'd my 6990 is the clear winner against the 980x @ 3.6 Ghz 580 SLI @ stock in the Extreme Preset.
It should be noted that the drivers I used were Catalyst 12.1 beta drivers, and those used in the HEXUS test were 11.4. The difference in 3DMark 11 scores should be negligible however. Also the 3DMark11 version used for my Performance Preset Results is 1.03, while that of the Extreme Preset Results is 1.02.
ROUND 3: Alien vs. Predator
Comparison is between an intel i7 980x @ 4.0 Ghz and my AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz.
Check and Mate!
Graphics Settings:
A) (top) - High Quality Settings, SSAO, No AA / 16xAF, vsync off
B) (bottom) - Ultra Quality Settings, 4x MSAA / No AF, SSAO, vsync off
These are the stated settings in the testing methodology section, however above the actual graph Tom's claims both are set to ultra. Based on the amount of detail given in the given above settings when compared to that given above the plot, I took this to be the settings they used. (but its still not clear :S)
Source: Tomshardware.com GTX 590 Review
This seems to be one of the few games AMD actually beats intel in with higher end graphics cards. The most notable comparison is when the 6990 GPU is @ 880/1250 between processors. FX truly shines in DX11 games that are more graphically demanding.
Overclocking the 6990 from 850/1250 to 990/1500 ( a clock/mem - 12/20% OC) results in an AVG fps increase of about 15% for both settings (A) and (B). Scaling between a single 6970, and two (in a 6990) is also very good, roughly 95-110% depending on settings.
Allow some error as the drivers are different between comparisons, however this game is sufficiently old enough to have negligible gain between catalysts.
PassMark Performance Test Benchmarks!
Round 4: PassMark CPU Score
Lets just get to the nitty-gritty shall we?
Competitors :
First Corner - intel i5 2500k @ 4.8 Ghz, ASUS P4P67 Pro, 8 Gb DDR3
Second Corner - intel i7 2600k @ 4.8 Ghz, Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4-B3, 8 Gb DDR3
Third Corner - AMD 1100t @ 4.2 Ghz 8 Gb DDR3
Fourth Corner - AMD 8150 FX @ 4.8 Ghz, ASUS Crosshair V, 4 Gb DDR3
First Place - intel i7 2600k @ 4.8 Ghz - 107.5 % Performance
Second Place - AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz - 100.0% Performance
Third Place - intel i5 2500k@ 4.8 Ghz - 81.4% Performance
Fourth Place -AMD 1100t @ 4.2 Ghz - 73.2% Performance
Intels monstrous leap over AMD in CPU Integer Math seems to be the game changer, with 63.4% gain on the FX 8150. But FX manages to beat its older phenom II brother by a whopping 74%. The OC'd AMD FX 8150 beats its intel i7 2600k rival in five out of eight tests, however narrowly loses in the final score. In FPU Score its a dead tie between the 2600k and FX, with the 1100t and i5 2500k lagging behind.
Comparing FX to the i5 2500k in this benchmark, AMD wins in seven out of the possible eight tests, and only loses in the CPU integer math test.
We can really see Bulldozer shine in this benchmark when compared to the older 1100t, and it manages to be right at intels door with performance significantly higher than its intel counterpart, the i5 2500k.
If you have any questions feel free to ask!
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Last edited by polyzp; February 6, 2012 at 09:24 AM.
thanks for the benchies I would have stayed with my 8150 if the boards or the chip worked worth a crap but after several boards and chips there was always a problem and not little ones so i jumped ship back to intel i am a intel fanboy and after my fx experience with good reason lol i truly hated the amd experience again and will probably never do it again but glad to see some overclocked benchies
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Interesting - thanks for posting. I look forward to seeing more of your results.
To be fair, though...
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Hahah you are right! Good point!! Its more like smack in the middle between them.
Its interesting to see how well this benchmark utilizes HT. Poor 5 Ghz i5 2500k.. hehe
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ROUND 5: WinRar Benchmark
So when bulldozer was officially released Winrar was one of the benchmarks where FX raced ahead of the 2600k. (Example1)(Example2)
But due to a newly discovered bug where Windows disables HT for intel processors, CORE Parking must be enabled to get the full potential out of compressing and decompressing with Winrar.
Bulldozer only barley beats a stock i7 870k with core parking turned off.
Before the bug was discovered AMD FX 8150 appeared to have beat even a 3960x.
source : Xtremehardware - La nuova risorsa italiana di hardware e overclock
7-Zip Benchmarks!! FX is back!
ROUND SIX: 7-Zip Benchmark
Intel's not ready for this one...
CPU : AMD OC FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
CPU : intel OC i7 3960x @ 4.65 Ghz
MAX SCORES : Max rate over 5 tests
AVERAGE RATE : Average rate over 5 tests
Source : neoseeker.com
We can see here that the AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz easily trades blows with Intel's flagship model the i7 3960x. Even a stock FX 8150 @ 3.6 Ghz manages to beat the 2600k @ 3.4 Ghz (both with Turbo enabled). Again this is just further proof that when all threads are used AMD shines. This is notable given the tremendous price difference. Good Work AMD!
ROUND 7: Ungine Heaven 2.5 Benchmark
Will FX bottleneck?
CPU 1: AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
CPU 2: Intel i7 920 @ 3.6 Ghz
4x AA
16x AF
Shaders = High
Tesselation = Moderate
Measurement = FPS
source: overclockersclub.com
We can see here that Nahelem bottlenecks heavily when compared to an Overclocked AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz. Comparing at with a 6990 @ 830/1250 Mhz we notice a 24% increase in FPS, and when we overclock the 6990 we notice a 28% increase in FPS. This just comes to show that overclocking a 6990 with an i7 920 pushes it near its bottleneck. This is very impressive for AMD, but how will FX fair against the big guns?
CPU 1: AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
CPU 2: Intel i7 3960x @ 4.7 Ghz
source: Vrzone.com
We can see here that an overclocked FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz barely trails an OC'd 3960x @ 4.7 Ghz, but when the GPU is overclocked this difference is easily overcome. It is also interesting to see that an overclocked 6990 easily beats an overclocked 7970, which is interesting given Heaven 2.5 is one of the benchmarks where the 7970 is supposed to shine most.
If you have any questions feel free to ask!
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Last edited by polyzp; January 13, 2012 at 11:07 AM.
Cinebench 11.5 Benchmarks!
Round Eight : Cinebench 11.5
CPU: AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
CPU Performance :
intel i5 2500k @ 4.8 Ghz - - 7.57 (link)
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz - - 7.90
intel i7 2600k @ 4.8 Ghz - - 9.28 (link)
intel i7 3930x @ 4.8 Ghz - - 13.79 (link)
We can see here that FX easily beats the i5 2500k, but then gets trumped by an equally clocked i7 2600k. We can really notice the difference due to HT.
Single Core Performance :
intel i5 2500k @ 3.7 Ghz - - 1.48 (link)
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz - - 1.19
intel i7 970 @ 3.46 Ghz - - 1.17 (link)
AMD Phenom II X4 980 @ 3.7 Ghz - - 1.10 (link)
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.92 Ghz - - 1.18
AMD Phenom II X6 1100t @ 4.2 Ghz - - 1.26
AMD Athlon II X4 @ 4.11 Ghz - - 1.15
This benchmarks shows the weakness of Bulldozer's single core performance more than Techarp's h.264 benchmark, but it still manages to beat Nahelem i7 at ~3.5 Ghz.
The scaling of 6.66 implies that per core there is roughly ~0.83 scaling.
Open GL performance:
Gaming Rig vs. Workstation
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz with 6990 @ 990/1500 - - 72.85
intel Xeon X5677 @ 3.47 Ghz (Turbo 3.73Ghz) - - 69.07 (link)
with AMD V9800 4 Gb
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AIDA64 Benchmarks! Windows 7 FX patch preview!
Does FX stand a chance?
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SUMMARY OF RESULTS (Patch vs. No-Patch)
CPU Tests -
AES : +7.3% performance
Hash : +0.2% performance
Photoworx : +3.3% performance
Queen : +0.1% performance
ZLib : +0.1% performance
FPU Tests -
Julia : +0.3% performance
SinJulia : +0.0% performance
VP8 : +1.4% performance
Mandel : +0.3% performance
We can see here that the patch gives a decent boost in performance with AIDA64 across the board with none of the benchmarks showing worse performance than with pre-patched Windows 7. Overall FX fairs fairly well, but the only benchmark where it pulls ahead of all the other CPUs is in CPU Hash. The AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 ghz manages a top 2 spot when compared to the other CPUs in 4/8 tests and a top 3 spot in 5/8 tests. Naturally the 3960x @ 3.8 ghz Turbo manages to beat FX in most tests, but not nearly as singificantly as one would expect.
TechArp H.264 Benchmarks! **Updated with Windows 7 Patch**
Round 1 Revisited!
CPU: AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
With Patch vs. Without Patch
First Pass - Single Core Performance!
Single core Performance increases by +2.3% with both Windows 7 Patches installed. This isn't grossly significant, but still welcome! At 4.8 Ghz the AMD FX 8150 manages to beat an i7-875k @ 4.0 Ghz by about +4%.
Second Pass - Multi-Core Performance!
When all cores are active, the windows 7 patch actually manages to bring improvement of +2.4%. This pushes the performance of the AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz above the i5 2500k @ 5.0 Ghz by a whopping +21% and below that of an i7 2600k @ 5.0 Ghz by only -1%.
So far these patches look like a welcome boost in performance!
Memory Benchmarks!! With Updated WEI!
AMD FX 8150 Memory Benchmarks
CPU: AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
Ram: 4GB G.Skill DDR3 PC3-17600 2200MHz RipjawsX CL7 (Running @ 2183 Mhz)
Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair V 990FX
By Request!
AIDA64 - Write
AIDA64 - Read
AIDA64 - Latency
AIDA64 - Copy
As we can see, my Gskill Ram does pretty well overall in a 990FX board. Only Write scores benefit greatly from triple, or quad channel memory, and this is shown through the above comparisons. It should be noted that my ram's performance was maximized setting CL to 10, and decreasing the response time from 300ms to 110ms. This change of setting also manages to squeeze out the 7.9 memory rating in WEI! (I had 7.8 with Cl7 / 300ms)
Updated WEI
7.9 CPU only accomplished with 2600k/2700k @ ~5.7+ ghz, or dual/quad socket Xeon / Opteron systems.
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Last edited by polyzp; January 22, 2012 at 04:45 PM.
you think we could also have clock for clock comparisons (stock and/or overclocked) with X6 and i5 but at the same speed so we could get a clearer picture?
+1 on that
Amd....definitely a blond female.....not much on the cpu side, but always strutting about showing off her gpus
Tomorrow im posting Passmark benchmarks
4.8 Ghz i5 2500k vs 4.8 ghz i7 2600k vs 4.8 ghz fx 8150 vs 4.2 ghz 1100t stay tuned!!
The whole point in this review is the do benchmarks at 4.8 ghz, there are too many stock clocked dozer benches out there. The point is really to see oc'd performance. Thanks for everyone who is following my review! :D
PCMARK 7 benchmarks!
Pre-Patch VS. Post-Patch
Before Patch installation
After Patch installation
We can see that PCMARK 7 is very happy with the Windows 7 FX Patch. The only performance decrease is the system storage score which is probably due to the use of my SSD. Garbage Collection seems to be doing its job however. The most notable increase in performance is in the computation Score, where the patch shows a +16.6% increase in performance. An honourable mention to the entertainment score as well, which noticed a +4.4% increase in performance.
WinRar / Cinebench 11.5 Revisited with Patch!
Cinebench 11.5 - with Patch
When compared to without the patch we score +0.25% (from 7.90) higher in the CPU test, and +4.3% (from 72.95) in OpenGL score (6990 @ 990/1500 Mhz). The single core score does not show any increase in performance.
WinRar - with Patch
We can see here that at stock 3.6 Ghz, the FX 8150 manages to benefit from the patch by +3.4% when compared to without, and running at 4.8 Ghz performance increases by +3.9%. Opposite of what the initial preliminary patch released by Microsoft showed, where WinRar performance managed to decrease.
7-Zip Benchmarks Revisited **Updated with Patch results**
7-Zip Benchmarks - With Patch
We remember FX being a beast in 7-zip, how will it fair with the patch?
Over 100% more performance than i5 2500k @ 3.7 Ghz Turbo
As we can see here, FX manages to marginally benefit from the patch in Decompression only. Compression shows little to no improvement. 7-zip really shows Bulldozer's strength.
DIRT 3 Benchmarks! FX King?
ROUND 12 : DIRT 3 Benchmarks
source: Tomshardware
As you can see DIRT 3 really takes advantage of FX architecture. The most notable comparison is with the 6990 @ stock settings 830/1250 Mhz. The AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz manages to squeeze out 131.4 AVG FPS and 118.2 MIN FPS, while the intel i5 2500k @ 4.0 Ghz manages to only get 104.3 AVG FPS and 97.0 MIN FPS. Thats 26%/22% MORE FPS. I was even shocked to see this! Good Job AMD!
Also to be noted is the patch's modest improvement in FPS of 2.0%/3.6% for MIN/AVG FPS.
ROUND 13: TrueCrypt 7.1 Benchmark
CPU: AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz (SHOWN IN RED)
OS: Windows 7 x64 SP1
source: Pugetsystems
Intel vs. AMD
In the TrueCrypt 7.1 benchmark we can see that the AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz beats an i7 990x @ 3.6 Ghz Turbo in all tests, and just trails the i7 3930k. Note that this is using Windows 7 x64 SP1. Comparing to an i7 2600k @ 3.6 Ghz Turbo, across all tests FX wins by an average of over +54%. Bulldozer's architecture is seemingly taken advantage of with this specific benchmark, but now we will look at Ubuntu Linux Performance.
CPU: AMD FX 8150 @ 3.9 Ghz Turbo
OS: Ubuntu 11.10
source: PCimpact
Here we can see that the AMD FX 8150 performs much much better at stock settings when compared to with Windows 7. Linux seems to be taking much more advantage of Bulldozer's architecture, and this just comes to show that optimization for Windows is not near completion, and shows us just what could be in store for Piledriver when it comes out.
AMD FX 8150 @ 3.9 Ghz Turbo
In Linux, FX @ 3.9 Ghz Turbo , FX manages to even significantly beat overclocked (at 4.8 Ghz) performance on Windows 7, and comes much closer to performing on-par with a 3960x. It would be interesting to see overclocked performance in Linux, as I suspect its drastic.
Round 14 : Sandra SiSoftware Benchmark Results!
CPU 1: Intel i7 2600k @ 4.3 Ghz
CPU 2: Intel i7 2600k @ 4.6 Ghz, DDR3 @ 2133 CL11
CPU 3: AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz, Gskill DDR3 @ 2183 CL10
Here we see that the FX Patch brings a decent boost in performance, averaging +5.17% across all 12 tests. The largest performance increase comes in the .NET Arithmetic - Dhrystone test, where we see a +24.6% difference. This is the most significant increase in performance I have yet to see for the FX patch.
Comparing my AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz to an intel 2600k @ 4.6 Ghz for 10 of the 12 tests, and a 2600k @ 4.3 Ghz for 2 of the 12 tests, we see an average performance difference of -0.07% , implying that AMD is still not so behind in this notoriously Intel favoured benchmark. The reason that two of the tests were not carried out @ 4.6 Ghz in the .NET Arithmetic scores , but instead @ 4.3 Ghz , is because scores @ 4.6 Ghz were not included in the internal comparison benchmarks listed. Of course this will play into the averaged difference, so I suspect that the 2600k @ 4.8 Ghz should beat the FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz by an average of 5% give or take. I might re visit this later on with my own testing to confirm this.
We can really see that intel and AMD have different strengths and weaknesses across the 12 tests in this benchmark.
Also notice how memory scores for G.Skill Ram @ 2183 Mhz CL10 only trail the intel's score with Ram @ 2133 Mhz CL11 by -4.8%/-4.6%.
Alien Vs. Predator Revisited **With Patch**
source: Tomshardware
We can see here that the FX Windows 7 Patch brings about +1% in performance when compared to without it. This pushes AVP performance with a stock 6990 above that of with an intel 980x @ 4.0 Ghz by +4.3% without AA, and by +23.5% with 4xMSAA. I used Catalyst 12.1b for the pre-Patch scores, and 12.1 Final Build for post-Patch scores.
For Comparison's sake we may also examine results from HEXUS.net with Two 7950's @ 900/1250 in Crossfire and catalyst 12.1 Final Build (which is also what I used in my updated Patch FPS). This test is with a Stock i5 2500k @ 3.6 Ghz Turbo. It should be noted that this test is with 4xMSAA but also with 16xAF as well, which the above test with 4xMSAA lacks - in accordance to Tom's review. So take these results with a grain of salt! (Although AF affects fps minimally in this game, while AA affects it significantly).
source: HEXUS
As we can see, Two 7950's OCd @ 900/1250 in crossfire only score a measly 114.0 FPS with an i5 2500k @ 3.6 Ghz Turbo. Despite the fact that this test has AF enabled, the other settings and identical. My Patched FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz with 6990 @ 990/1500 scores 124.5 FPS , which is +9.2% higher FPS than the intel rig with 2 x 7950 OC @ 900/1250 in Crossfire. We can also see that FX with a 6990 @ 990/1500 scores +37.1% more fps than the i5 2500k @ 3.6 ghz with Two GTX 580's in SLI OC @ 797/1594.
POV Ray 3.7 RC3 Benchmarks!
ROUND 15: POV Ray 3.7 RC3 Benchmarks!
source: wikipedia
OK, now for some real world testing. Let's see how FX fairs in a POV Ray render. My results are from testing the internal benchmark, where PPS is pixels per second.
source: legitreviews
My 8 threaded AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz casually beats a twelve threaded intel i7 990x @ 3.6 Ghz Turbo, and
source: overclockersclub
Here we can see that my AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz manages to keep up with an overclocked intel i7 2600k at different maximum overclocks on several different Z68 boards. The performance per Ghz of an 8 core FX is roughly that of a 2600k/2700k, and if not only a hair better. Overall, Good Job on this one AMD.
DIRT 3 Revisited ... Again! (By Request)
DIRT 3: Revisited for a third time!
So I had some requests to re bench my FX rig @ 4.0 ghz in the DIRT 3 benchmark to see how well bulldozer fairs against intel's i5 2500k @ 4.0 Ghz.
source: Tomshardware
Here we see my AMD FX 8150 @ 4.0 Ghz still manages to keep a lead over intel's i5 2500k also at 4.0 Ghz when my 6990 is running at stock settings (830/1250). FX has a +8.6% lead in minimum FPS, and a +20% lead in average FPS. It is interesting to note that when the 6990 is stock, overclocking my AMD FX 8150 and additional 800 Mhz to 4.8 Ghz brings a benefit of +12.3% benefit to minimum FPS, and a +5.0% benefit to AVG fps.
Fritz Chess 4.3 Benchmark!
ROUND 16: Frtiz Chess 4.3 benchmark
Scaling with this benchmark is awful compared to cinebench 11.5. Fritz single core to multi core performance scales as ~5.44, while Cinebench 11.5 scales as ~6.66. However, single core performance of my overclocked FX 8150 manages to beat an ivy bridge i7 part @ 3.9 Ghz by +5.7%. Single core performance of my FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz falls behind that of an i5 2500k @ 4.8 Ghz by about ~30%.The other results have been gathered from what I have seen with a few quick google searches.
Cinebench 10 benchmarks!
ROUND 17 : Cinebench 10
How will FX fair in this 5 year old benchmark?
As we found with Fritz Chess benchmark, scaling with this older benchmark is not nearly as good as it should be and as it is found to be with newer and more optimized software, such as Cinebench 11.5. In Cinebench 10, my AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz scales as ~5.53, while in Cinebench 11.5 it scales as ~6.66.
Comparing our score:
(from various online sources)
Single Core performance of my FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz manages to beat a Phenom II core @ 4.0 Ghz by +12.1%. Scaling in this older benchmark (2007) is not so pretty. Even for intel's 12 threaded processors, scaling is lower than FX. A hypothetical AMD FX 8150 with ~6.66 scaling would score **32527** , a hypothetical i7 3960x with ~6.49 scaling would score **39219**. (Scaling taken from Cinebench 11.5) Single core performance of an AMD FX @ 4.8 Ghz with compared to an i7 2600k also @ 4.8 Ghz is worse by -37.7% , but multihtreaded performance is behind by only -15%. A hypothetical 2600k @ 4.8 Ghz with ~4.49 scaling would score **35210**. (Scalings taken from cinebench 11.5)
As we can see, scaling seems to be a big issue with older benchmarks. This could be one of the many reasons FX shows many weaknesses in older benchmarks.
x264 FHD Benchmarks
Round 18: x264 FHD benchmarks
In this benchmark, we can see that my AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz slightly beats the performance of a 12 threaded 980x @ 3.57 Ghz. . Performance per Ghz of the FX 8150 (5.40) is higher than the intel i7 2600k. (5.33).
SPECviewperf 11 Benchmarks!
ROUND19: SPECviewperf 11
Comparison Systems:
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz - 4.7 Ghz
XFX 6990 @ 990/1500 -Mhz 930/1300 Mhz + Accelero Twin Turbo
ASUS Crosshair V 990FX
4Gb 2200 G.Skill DDR3
Intel i7 3960x - 4.7 Ghz
MSI AMD 6990 @ 930/1300 Mhz + Accelero Twin Turbo
ASUS Sabertooth X79
16Gb 1866 G.Skill DDR3
source: spec.org
Its interesting to see stremghts and weaknesses in both CPUs across various tests. Most noteably, in the ensight-04 test the i7 3960x @ 4.7 Ghz manages to perform -34.5% worse when compared to my AMD FX 8150 also @ 4.7 with a 6990 at the exact same clock. However, in the proe-05 test, the i7 3960x scores +40.5% better than my AMD FX 8150 rig at the same clocks.
Overall, my AMD FX 8150 only lags behind the i7 3960x rig by -4.4% at the same CPU/GPU clocks on average. Overclocking back up to 4.8 Ghz, and increasing my GPU clocks to 990/1500 Mhz results in only a +2.7% increase in performance when compared to the lower clocked FX.
A Special Thanks to alexmaia_br from the overclock.net community for sharing his results to compare with.
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Here we see a welcome gain of 0.7% in both single core and multi-threaded performance. Also note that scaling has dropped -0.2% down to 5.52 from 5.53.
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This time let's see if FX can stand up to its intel counterpart the 2600k.
Comparison Rigs:
AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz
XFX 6990 + Accelero Twin Turbo
ASUS Crosshair V 990FX
4Gb 2200 Mhz G.Skill DDR3
OCZ Revodrive 3 X2 240Gb
Intel i7 2600k - 4.8 Ghz
2 x GTX 560 Ti SLI
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Corsair Force GT 120 Gb
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As we expect, the intel i7 2600k @ 4.8 Ghz trades blows with the AMD FX 8150 @ 4.8 Ghz.
A Special Thanks to grkM3 from the Anandtech community for sharing his results to compare with!
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Thanks for the sticker OCZ!
So with the money I made from selling my Sapphire 6970 (which I used to have in crossfire with my 6990) and my old OCZ revodrive 120gb I decided to buy OCZ's consumer flagship PCI-X SSD the Revodrive 3 X2 240 Gb.
Just how fast is this thing compared to other SATA 6 SSDs?
ATTO Disk Benchmark:
OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS
OCZ Revodrive 3 X2
Only up until 16Kb read/write , the Rovodrive 3 X2 actually trails its much cheaper brother the OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS, however as soon as it hits 32Kb read/write it leaves it in the dust!
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Huawei is throwing their hat into the US Windows Phone 8 market with their W1 smartphone, known in other parts of the world as the Ascend W1. The snazzy W1 will be coming to Walmarts across the country as a pre-paid, no-contract offering that will be priced "competitively," though no exact numbers were revealed.
Huawei's Michael Chuang said in a statement. "The Huawei W1 brings consumers a truly compelling alternative to what's currently in the marketplace."
And Chuang is correct. With its 4" WVGA display, dual core 1.2 GHz CPU, 512MB of RAM and 5MP rear shooter (with a 0.3 MP front facing cam), along with a soft texture that is pleasant to hold in hand, the W1 brings some competition to Nokia's Lumia 521, which just started selling like gangbusters on Walmart's website. Both phones are sure to be alluring to the relatively unimpressive bunch of Android pre-paids out there as well.
The specs on the W1, which are surely not earth-shattering, put it in the same economy class that Nokia and Microsoft have shifted their focus on. But one thing that is going to make Huawei's Windows Phone 8 offering stand out from others is an amazing battery life. Huawei boasts that the W1 delivers up to 320 hours (just under 2 weeks) of standby time, thanks to their proprietary power-saving technology.
One downside, however, is that despite the fact that the W1 can be found elsewhere in a variety of colors, it will only be available at Walmart in black. Regardless of the lack of flashiness, the W1 brings a lot to the table.
And any time we see a new Windows Phone device make it's way into the fold, it's a good thing. Welcome aboard, Huawei!

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Rules. Interconference games. The SCC and Pequot. Words
Coaching changes and conference realignment have been all the rage this offseason.
We'll get to those in a minute while we discuss something different — rules.
Yes, rules aren't exciting, but you're a football fan, so you best know them. You don't want to be that fool screaming at the officials because you don't know the difference high school and NFL rules.
The esteemed Bob Barton, an outstanding chap, informed Polecat HQ that the National Federation of State High School Association of a few rule changes or next season.
The big un' is pass interference. Defensive interference is no longer an automatic first down. It's still a 15-yard penalty, but if it's third-and-16 and the defense gets flagged 10 yards from the line of scrimmage, then it's not a first down. You'll still see a lot of defenses give up the first down because of that penalty, though
Offensive pass interference, meanwhile, is no longer a loss of down. They'll still lose 15 yards, but that's it.
"Offensive and defensive pass interference, and the penalty structure related to these fouls, has been debated many times in recent years," Brad Garrett, chair of the NFHS Football Rules Committee and assistant executive director of the Oregon School Activities Association, said via press release.
"Proposals that either deleted the loss of down or the automatic first down — but not both — failed to gain support among committee members. The proposal to eliminate both components, thus not upsetting the balance between offense and defense, was the key factor in the adoption of the new rule."
Eh, the defense is still getting hosed more than the offense. Always has. Always will.
The committee also added three "risk-minimization" rules for when a player loses his helmet. Last season, they ruled that any player who loses his helmet must sit out one play. The additions to that rule are:
■ "No player or nonplayer shall initiate contact with an opposing player whose helmet has come completely off."
■ "It is illegal participation 'for a player whose helmet comes completely off during a down to continue to participate beyond the immediate action in which the player is engaged.'
■ "If the helmet comes completely off during the down or subsequent dead-ball action related to the down — and is not directly attributable to a foul by the opponent — the player must leave the game for at least one down, with the exception of halftime or overtime intermission. When this occurs, an official's time-out shall be called."
"With its continued focus on risk minimization, the committee determined that a helmet-less player shall not block, tackle or otherwise participate beyond the immediate action in which the player is engaged when the helmet came completely off," Bob Colgate, NFHS director of sports and sports medicine, said in the press release. "The penalty would be a live-ball, basic-spot foul."
The committee also clarified its definition of a catch (Rule 2-4-1). They had already required the receiver to "establish" possession and stay inbounds no matter what an opponent did to them.
"An airborne player who has forward progress stopped inbounds and is carried out of bounds by an opponent before contacting the ground is awarded a catch at the spot of forward progress," Colgate said.
You can read the other rules HERE.
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One of the most popular catch phrases of our generation's greatest athlete, "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, is, "to be the man, you've got to beat the man."
State high school football coaches and athletic directors have often ignored Flair's golden rule, opting to schedule jobbers in non-league games. They fear they'll lose to a quality opponent and cost themselves a playoff berth, but they forget that you don't prepare for states by whipping cupcakes like the South Park Cows.
HATS OFF, then, to a few schools who decided to get themselves some competition and scheduled home-and-home series for the 11-game 2013 and 2014 seasons.
East Lyme and New London will both play Middletown, as first reported by Gentleman Jim Bransfield of the Middletown Press. The Blue Dragons will play host to East Lyme this season and play at New London.
Whalers' coach Duane Maranda said that his team also scheduled Hartford's Capital Prep/Classical Magnet/Achievement First co-op. The Trailblazers finished 10-0 in each of the last two regular seasons, won the Constitution State Conference, and qualified for the Class S playoffs. They'll play host to the Whalers this fall.
Norwich Free Academy and Glastonbury will also hook 'em up. Glastonbury gets the home game this year.
There were already two interconference series scheduled for next season — the FCIAC vs. the SCC, and the NVL vs. the SWC.
Kyle Brennan of the NVL Blog, Waterbury Republican-American, and Chase Avenue Taco Bell also unearthed next season's NVL schedules.
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There's not much to report on the SCC adding Pequot Football Conference teams.
"The Mouth Of the Shore", Jimmy Zanor, got folks yapping last Thursday when he tweeted that some Pequot teams were looking to join the SCC in 2015.
SCC commissioner Al Carbone said that there haven't been any discussions with those teams, but that he had been invited to the Shoreline Conference athletic directors meeting later this month.
The Shoreline Conference doesn't have football, so eight of its teams play in the Pequot — Coginchaug, Cromwell, Haddam-Killingworth, Hyde, Morgan, North Branford, Old Saybrook-Westbrook, and Valley Regional-Old Lyme.
Carbone told Chris Hunn of JRC Amalgamated Monday that, "the SCC has always talked about getting bigger."
The SCC currently has 19 teams broken up into two, two-team divisions.
The addition of Pequot schools would make for interesting scheduling. Most of its teams are small schools, whereas the majority of SCC teams are in Class LL or L.
Three of the Pequot's most successful teams of late have been Hyde (153 boys), North Branford (313) and Valley Regional-Old Lyme (384).
The SCC's smallest school is Sheehan (450).
"Schools in our league could play the M schools," North Branford coach Mark Basil told Hunn. "The Ls and LLs scare you. I don't know how scheduling would work out."
If you're the type of person who likes to draw wild conclusions without all the facts, then note that North Branford's hockey team joined the SCC's Division II this winter. Or that Hyde is one of only two New Haven teams not in the SCC (Amistad Academy is the other).
"I think for Hyde, for our program, we wouldn't have a problem competing," Hyde coach Melvin Wells told Hunn. "Can we play a Division II schedule? Yes… It's very interesting."
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Chris Piccirillo of Shore Publishing reported last Friday that Branford elevated defensive coordinator John Limone to head coach. Limone played football and baseball at the school and graduated in 2002.
There are still TWELVE teams that need head coaches — Abbott Tech, Bunnell, East Haven, Fairfield Ludlowe, Fitch, Old Saybrook/Westbrook, Rockville, St. Bernard/Norwich Tech, Stamford, Torrington, Wilby, and Woodstock Academy.
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Coming in a little late I am afraid, but Dale's notes and mine are similar apart from the 1995 Narbantons, which he liked and I thought was a little simple. But overall, I think the tasting showed how well Savigny does both as a young drinking wine and also a wine that can age well. I would also probably add that Savignys are not a cheap alternative to more expensive wines of the Cote de Nuits, but have a very distinct personality, and well worth enjoying for themselves.
I was a little underwhelmed by the Pavelts. They are certainly pleasant but I don't get the same sense of longevity that I have found in previous vintages. Similar experiences with young Ecards, which I understand happened, when the son took over from the father. So the mantle is moving away from the top growers to the better negotiants. Like Dale, I was impressed by the immediate pleasures of Drouhin's Godot. For me, it required little waiting time. Jadot is serious long termed wines. The Bouchard was a little bubble gummy, and had the sweet Bouchard character which some seem to like.


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Western blot analysis of extracts from HeLa cells, serum-starved overnight and treated with hIGF-I #8917 (100 ng/ml, 10 min) either with or without Everolimus pretreatment (1 hr) at the indicated concentrations, using Phospho-p70 S6 Kinase (Thr389) Antibody #9205 (upper) or p70 S6 Kinase (49D7) Rabbit mAb #2708 (lower).Learn more about how we get our images
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[St. Paul admonishes Timothy to hold firm the sound doctrine of the Gospel. The Doctors of the Church were also renowned for their orthodoxy and their theological learning.]
Dearly beloved, I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, Who shall judge the living and the dead, by His coming and His kingdom: preach the word: be instant in season, out of season:> reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. For there shall be a time when they will not endure sound doctrine but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, and will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. But be thou vigilant, labor in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry. Be sober.
For I am even now ready to be sacrificed, and the time of my dissolution is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith. As to the rest, there is laid up for me a crown of justice which the Lord, the just Judge, will render to me in that day: and not only to me, but to them also that love His coming.
[Like the Apostles, the Doctors of the Church are the salt of the earth and the light of the world.]
At that time, Jesus said to His disciples: You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house. So let your light shine before men that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father, Who is in Heaven.
Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For amen I say unto you, till Heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled. He therefore that shall break one of these least commandments, and shall so teach men shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven: but he that shall do and teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.
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This is a roofing company, and I am using a catchy name (get my roof done), and I need a logo for the company. I really like the logo for the New York Nets basketball team - it is simple, yet somewhat 3-D, and it fits in a circle (rather than drawn out - all the text on one line).
The logo must look modern, quality, professional, but not too corporate - my customers are home owners, property management companies.
A logo for a building company. It need only be the words "Get My Roof Done", although if it looks professional you incorporate some sort of roof graphic. As I said above, I like the New York Nets (a basketball team) logo, as it is modern but professional, slightly 3D (at an angle) and also I like the overall shape - not too wide or too tall. Therefore the text would have to be on two lines: Get My/Roof Done. The logo must be easily editable: color changed, and then also be made black and white. The color we want is some sort of green - as we want to portray the company as a green company. Our current website is http://www.getmyroofdone.com (Savitsky Roofing), but the website will be changing in the next month or so, and is therefore not really representative of what we wish to do. Either in whole or in part, it should also be easily identifiable if made into a favicon.
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HawkFan72 wrote:I could see the Seahawks putting Thomas on Welker a few times during the game, but not EVERY time. With the way the hawks mix things up, and the way they like to use Earl all over the field, you can probably count on him covering Welker at one point or another. But I don't see them switching up their whole Defense and have Earl become a full-time nickle corner this week.
arghawkfan wrote:I would actually like to see them activate Winston Guy for this matchup and take advantage of his size to matchup with whichever TE Kam doesn't cover and to use him in exotic blitzes.
hawksfanohio wrote:I would like to see Sherman on welker, Browner on Lloyd, and let Kam stick Gronk. Then let Earl roam and lbers on hernandez if he plays.
Tical21 wrote:Tru is going to come up huge this week. The Welker matchup fits him perfectly as long as we get a bit of pressure. If the play goes for 5-6 seconds, Tru could be in trouble.
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You know the pickings are slim when even Katie Couric can't get a date. Or rather, she can get them, but they don't do anything for her. Katie opens up in the latest issue of More magazine about dating -- and it doesn't sound like her fame or fortune is helping her in the game of love. She's dealing with the same crappy dates most singlets are! Says Katie: "I've had dates where we didn't click. I once went out with a heart transplant surgeon who talked about valves the whole night."
What, Katie, you don't like valves??!! Hey, we've all been there when we were single. But we could all make it so much easier on ourselves -- and our dates -- if we just followed some simple rules, like avoiding the following.
Here are eight ways you can kill a first date.
Yammering on and on. As with Katie's boring heart surgeon, I think both men and women are susceptible to prattling on about themselves too much and forgetting to ask their date anything. Men often go on about themselves in order to impress a date (only it ends up doing the opposite), and women do it when they're nervous. Don't forget to ask your date questions -- and then listen to the responses.
Expecting sex right away. This is mostly a guy thing, but I'm hearing a lot more complaints from single gals that guys expect sex at the end of the first date. Guys, guys, if you want a guaranteed romp in the hay, then hire a prostitute (though you didn't hear it from me). Seriously, you're not in an episode of Sex and the City or Girls. And, who knows, if you're actually able to wait another date or two, you might get lucky anyway!
Talking about marriage. The main complaint I hear from guys is that women will start talking marriage on the first date. Woahhhh, ladies. Sloooow it down a tad. I do have a friend who told every first date that she wanted to get married and that if he didn't want that too, this was their last date. After a year of that, she finally found a guy who didn't bolt immediately at this speech -- and they're married!
Being cheap. Sorry guys, but if we still have to be the ones to give birth, you still have to be the one to pay for the first date. I don't care if the woman offers to pay half. Decline. Unless you are absolutely certain you don't want a second date. And, no, you don't have to take us anywhere expensive. Coffee or one drink will do. But you pay. Get over it.
Talking about your ex. Just ... don't. I don't care if your date asks. Say something vague like, "We just weren't right for each other," and say no more. If she stole your truck and your dog and burned your house down, you can write a song about it later. Same for you, ladies.
Asking for a second date. This is my personal pet peeve, but I don't care how fabulously a date is going, I don't think you should ask for a second during the first. There's just simply no easy way to say "no" with the asker staring you in the face.
Making the date too long. So you meet for coffee which then turns into a drink. Fine. And then the drink turns into dinner. Fine. But I draw the line with the guy who just can't let the date end. "And now let's go dancing!" "And let's go see a movie!" "And, hey, the sun is coming up! Let's go see it!" This kind of thing might work for a 20-something on vacation, but not for us working gals who need to get up in the morning. Plus, let's save something for later, 'kay?
Saying you'll call if you won't. By the end of the date you probably have a fairly good idea if you want to see this person again. If you don't (or you are uncertain), then DON'T say, "Call you tomorrow" or "Hope to see you again soon" or "Let's try that Italian place next time" UNLESS YOU MEAN IT. Guys, women are baffled as to why you say things like this and then disappear. Stop. It.
What do you think ruins a first date?
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Boeing said its "best and final" proposal to the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA) would roll forward the contract for four years.
"Agreeing to this contract as soon as possible will allow all of us to focus our time and energy on the immediate challenges facing the company," Boeing said in a statement.
Under the offer, existing employees "would see salary pools of 5 percent annually for the duration of the contract", Boeing said.
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July 30, 2010
The Slane College of Communications and Fine Arts counts among its alumni several Emmy winners, an Academy Award winner and a Pulitzer Prize recipient.
And now, thanks to 2007 electronic media graduate Miles Cooksy, Bradley can claim an Edward R. Murrow award winner among its ranks.
Cooksy, a photojournalist for the Fox news affiliate in Milwaukee, was part of a team that won the prestigious national award honoring outstanding achievements in electronic media. The group produced a piece entitled "Twisted Family Tree" about a local family with a history of sexual abuse.
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|2009-07-20, 06:38
|Link #2221
blinded by blood
Keroko's spot on. If Nanoha's "nonlethal" Divine Busters followed physics, they wouldn't be able to blow through walls, bulkheads, metal plate, thick concrete and remain nonlethal. After all, a human body is quite a bit squishier than building materials.
|2009-07-20, 07:10
|Link #2222
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Or do you think real scientific theories are taken from convenient sources that state things?
If a real scientist is told that the only big weakness of his theory is that he doesn't have previously published literature supporting him, he's going to say "Great! My Nobel Prize is near!", not admit defeat. Heck, even if literature is against him if he's sure of his observations he's going to fight back, and win his Nobel Prize.
By the same token though, you have just insisted that what happened was a violation of physics. Since booklet quotes are your acceptable source, please find the quote or booklet page which explicitly says that what happened on the Cradle is a violation of physics. Remember, you can't analyze, use logic, or use observations (your own suggestion). You must use a booklet or concede
Or how about an easier one. Find a quote or booklet page that explicitly says that Type IV drones were present in Ep25 fighting redshirts. I'm pretty sure there are none, but who knows you might suprise me...
|2009-07-20, 07:14
|Link #2223
blinded by blood
Pedantry gets you nowhere. ^^;
The issue is it's a fictional story, it isn't real, and it most certainly isn't science. There is no reason whatsoever to treat it as science. It makes things harder on us as fic writers to consider it science--it is easier to plausibly portray magic than it is to satisfy the diehard tech nerds with real-world scientific explanation!
What I use in place of trying to explain magic with science is rather simple. Don't explain it, lest you wind up looking rather foolish. Just concentrate on kicking ass with it. MGLN has never been an overly technical or plausible series--it is the unholy offspring of a magical girl anime and a Super Robot anime.
Neither of these fields lend themselves particularly well to the realm of hard sci-fi.
The short version: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha is not Planetes. There's no reason to treat it as such.
|2009-07-20, 07:19
|Link #2224
umbrella moe~♥
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: huh wha-?
Go write harry potter fics then. Magic IS magic, but Nanoha sticks by magic working within limits and technology. Why else do you think a whole majority of the characters in the series uses technological contraptions as mediums for their magic instead of, say, a stick of elder wood with a Thestral tail hair embedded in it?
Also, inb4 NANOHA IS SERIOUS F*CK*NG BUSINESS.
|2009-07-20, 07:22
|Link #2225
The Interstellar Medium
Join Date: May 2008
Location: [SWE]
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While I agree that IRL theories/physics don't work, since it's frikking fiction/anime, Nanoverse has its own share of science that explains magic or is a part of it. Going against it with "It's magic" would essentially go against canon. Nanoha is both fantasy and sci-fi, each of them having explanations.
|2009-07-20, 07:28
|Link #2226
blinded by blood
There is an explanation to why Nena resists the effects of magic, but it's not something I wanted to bandy about since it's relevant to the story's plot. I ended up spelling it out above and yet everyone ignored me in favor of arguing about whether magic in MGLN adheres to the laws of reality (which it doesn't).
Again, Nena's magic resistance comes from the fact that her Linker Core is different (referred to as "inverse" in the story itself) than most and thus she has a chance to negate spells cast upon her.
If one must really use a scientific analogy, I would liken it to destructive interference in active noise-canceling headphones. By countering the ambient waveforms with an identical wave 180 degrees out of phase, the result is a cancellation effect.
|2009-07-20, 07:29
|Link #2227
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
The quote itself does not say anything about it not attenuating at all regardless of the distance, without an energy feed (Divine Buster is basically continuous emission to impact). The best interpretation is that it has a low decay rate, so with Nanoha feeding it it can suffer no decrease in end power within a distance regarded by the author as "long" (we can get a clue of that by comparing things to other times the author made similar claims and then seeing how long things actually were). Nobody wrote any guarantees at all about what happens once the author's idea of "long" is exceeded - maybe it falls to zero in a single meter.
Should you insist on saying that the quote means it is 100% efficient in traverse and suffer no loss, which is a physical impossibility by the way, I'll just calmly point out it is GLOWING, which even in the absence of anything else means it is not losing zero energy. I know you have a low opinion of visuals, but short of saying that DB really doesn't glow observations truimph dialogue (actually, only your interpretation of it, but that's what will happen if you push).
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|2009-07-20, 07:37
|Link #2228
Writer, Jester, MtG nerd
I still have a theory :/
Bullets can be made to penetrate armor, but not flesh, so it'll enter the body and do considerably more damage than it did the armor.
Additionally, if magic can have its polarity of lethality altered, why not while its in use? fire the shot, blow the floors through, when the last floor is blown, swap lethality polarity. She knew exactly where she was, the timing is easy to calculate.
And Ark, yeah yeah matter is empty, but you need to explain why it matters. http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-D...rk-56249.shtml
And Keroko, your analogy is flawed if for only that the 'third can' was not blown in nanoha. The floor below Quattro was undamaged. (rewatching...)
Hmm, fine obliterated. Hadn't seen any replies yet, but I'll mention their concerns. Didn't appear to be a direct shot on her, magic doesn't move at the speed of light, so she had time to get crushed by the outer edge of the blast and theoretically take less damage?
You know, I'm not even confident I know what direction Nanoha fired her shot.
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|2009-07-20, 07:43
|Link #2229
blinded by blood
Most MGLN fans don't even know Toraha exists. ^^;
And no, I'm not explicitly picking on people for being meticulous about this sort of thing. I just believe that when it comes to writing, one should focus on the story and not so much on infodumps.
After all, the story will be told from the perspective of Teana, Fate and Nena--two criminal investigators and combat-type mages and a magic-dead mercenary. None of them are especially learned in the inner workings of magic--Nena perhaps least of all. She has practical knowledge of magic... how to counter it, how to avoid it, how to withstand it, but not necessarily how it works.
Fate and Teana are similar--they know it better than Nena does, since they use it and have come up with their own spells and variant applications, but to use something doesn't imply that you have the knowledge to create that something. It's doubtful that any of these three know enough to infodump concerning magic with any kind of authority. ^^;
|2009-07-20, 07:46
|Link #2230
Adeptus Animus
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 31
Ironically I just finished a similar debate over at the Strike Witches thread, except this time I was the one using visuals and Tk was using the novel. To say the two contradicted eachother on multiple occasions would be... an understatement. In the end we decided to discard the anime and stick with the novel, as the novel offered actual explanations on the situations while anime mostly did the things they did because it was either cool or easier to animate, and still made it subject to interpretation.
My point? Written sources and dialog > observations of animation. Ark, you see Nanoha blowing a hole in the Cradle while leaving Quattro unharmed and go on a tangent of mana particles and fermions. I see the same scene and say it was magic damage.
Now if we judge by the interpretations of the scene alone, neither of us is right or wrong. After all, that is why they are interpretations. So we need another source to confirm our interpretations.
Enter written sources and dialog.
And this is why I keep asking for canonical support of a written source. An interpretation of a scene followed by a theory of how it worked is not canonical support, it's a theory. I do not see why I should believe your theory to be the right one if you have no way to back it up.
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|2009-07-20, 07:46
|Link #2231
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
2nd: what do you think most of their class on magics were? why do you think Vivio has classes too? why do you think Nanoha and most mage are *extremely* good at maths? they may not be as good as Shari/Ami, but they *are* aware of how it works, and *are* able to tweak things.
|2009-07-20, 08:10
|Link #2235
Writer, Jester, MtG nerd
Nanoha seems as a series to have the tendency to portray the characters fearing things that aren't that scary.
Diabolic emission? She'd of done better if she punched that shield. http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8644/shieldw.jpg
Was that SLB that I'm thinking of?
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|2009-07-20, 08:50
|Link #2236
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Besides, you seem to be dealing in a situation where there are clear contradictions. Most of our debates, there are none.
As for theories. Here's what you do. Look at my theory, see if it matches up with the episodes themselves. If it does, its a valid theory - the only question is whether it is the best one. Now, go check the books to see if there are other theories. If it says nothing on the matter, take it unless you can come up with something better.
If it says something on the matter, compare it with what's on the screen. If it is not what's happening, the theory has a problem. We start debating if both theories are valid, but IMO that doesn't happen very often - I'm too lazy myself to make my own theories if a half-workable one is in canon...
|2009-07-20, 12:24
|Link #2237
Writer, Jester, MtG nerd
I thought it was established that nanoha uses the 'it looks cool' method and not magic nor technology, so half brained theories are a bit flimsily applied based on convenience of the theory maker :P
|2009-07-20, 15:09
|Link #2238
blinded by blood
|2009-07-20, 19:02
|Link #2239
Sword Wielding Penguin
This is the TECH thread. We are powered by:
Oh, and STILL, nobody is able to defeat Thermodynamics here.
Suck it Red... er... Blue... er... which team are you on?
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Question: At Mass, when the priest offers the bread and wine, we say, "Blessed be God forever." But how is it possible for us to bless God? He does not need our blessings and blesses us.
— Name withheld, Milwaukee, Wis.
Answer: Linguistically, the response you cite translates the Latin Benedictus Deus in saecula. The benedictus in Latin, literally means to speak well or favorably about some one or something (bene = well + dictus = say or speak). Hence, what we mean by "blessed" and the phrase "blessed be God forever" is that "It is well that God should be forever praised." We are not claiming to confer some sort of grace or favor upon God, as is often the meaning of the word "blessing" in English.
Theologically, though, we can distinguish between God's intrinsic glory and his external glory. As you point out, there is not one thing we can add or take from God's intrinsic glory. God is glorious and blessed all by himself and has no need of our praise.
However, we can help to spread his external glory by our praise and acknowledgment of him before others, as well as by reflecting his glory through lives of holiness, generosity and conformity to the truth.
In this sense we can also understand the phrase to mean, "May God's external glory and blessedness be extended and experienced in all places and times. May God be blessed (praised) everywhere, and unto the age of ages."
Shortened creed
Question: At our parish the priest says a shortened creed. Some Sundays he omits it altogether. When I talk to him about it he gets angry. Should I go to the bishop?
— Name withheld, via email
Answer: The creed is to be said each Sunday. It is possible that the version you mention is the Apostles' Creed, which is a permitted option.
Omission of the creed is wrong, and if your request that the priest follow the requirement continues to be ignored, you should inform the bishop and ask for a written reply from his office as to how your concerns will be addressed.
Many have died for what the creed announces. It is no mere ritual recitation.
Proper care of relics
Question: I have inherited a first-class relic. Are there any norms for what I should do or not do with the relic?
— Kathy Keffler, Wellington, Fla.
Answer: There are surprisingly few directions on the care of relics. Certainly they are meant to be reverently kept, and ought not be simply cast in a drawer or some forgotten place. Ideally they are put in a ostensorium, a display vessel easily purchased in most Catholic bookstores, shrine shops or catalogs. Relics ought to be displayed in a suitable place of prayer in one's house. Ideally the place should be uncluttered with other more worldly things.
If the possession of relics is not conducive to one's spiritual life they ought to be given to another who might benefit or placed in the care of a parish.
Relics are meant to remind us of the saints, their stories, and what God can do even with weak human flesh. They should summon us to prayer and trust. But they ought not be regarded superstitiously as if their mere presence could ward off all suffering or work independently of the will of God.
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Q&O T1 – MT6577 Android phone with projector
Here is another upcoming MT6577 dual-core smartphone that has a projector as its sweet selling spot. This Q&O T1 Projector phone is alleged as the world's first Android China phone to have a projector function.
If we can still remember about the Altek A14 Leo as an Android-powered digital camera, and this is an Android-powered projector? Seems legit!
Q&O T1 Highlights:
- MTK6577 ARMv7 Cortex-A9 40nm Dual Core 1.0GHz
- Android 4.0 ICS 3G Smartphone
- 4.5″ Capacitive Touch Screen
- Dual Camera, 8MP back camera
- World's First Projector Android Phone
Well basically, its a MT6577 phone and we already know the capability of such dual-core Android smartphone with that specs. It is a high performer on any aspect, plus it comes really cheap when slated on the market. What seems to be pretty much interesting is its capability to make screen projectors, be it still images, slideshows or even videos; just whatever your screen displays!
That makes me think playing games on the wall or watching a movie in my ceiling while I am lying on my bed at night.
Not much is known about this Q&O T1 phone but it was posted that this projector phone is capable of handling 720p multimedia playback, and has 1GB of RAM. Just enough to say that this one is no cheapskate, specs will be impressively on high-end. The design looks good as well. However, there is some source that says that this one will only have a Android 2.3 OS out of the box, while I noticed some Chinese stores are already accepting pre-orders of this device that they claim it was on Android 4.0 ICS.
They sell it for quite a price of $250-290 USD price mark range. This isnt the official price, but I am guessing that it will definitely go down and we'll know it soon when it gets the official market release.
On the OS difference, I do not think any much problem with having a 4.0 ICS OS on this projector phone as the MT6577 chip can pretty much handle that with ease.
Q&O T1 Specs and Features
The Q&O T1 phone boasts a 4.5 inches screen, and here are some of the information I managed to collect regarding this phone:
- Brand Name: Q&O
- CPU: MTK6577 Dual Core 1.0GHz
- Design: Bar
- Camera: 8MP
- Talk Time: 5-10 hours
- Cellular: GSM,WCDMA
- Unlocked: Yes
- Color: Black
- Operating System: Android
- Features: GPS Navigation,Email,FM Radio,MP3 Playback,Touchscreen,Bluetooth,Wi-Fi,Memory Card Slots,Video Player,Gravity Response,Front Camera,Message
- SIM Card Quantity: Dual SIM Cards
- Size: 127.5*65*9.8mm
- Model Number: T1
- Display Size: 4.5″
- Q&O T1 Color: Black/White
- Special Feature: Projector Android Phone
The specified talk time makes me conclude that this phone will have an impressive battery capacity that will not go lower that 2000-2500mAh rating, or so.
Q&OT1 Projector-Smartphone Videos
Here's a couple of videos I had stumbled upon while doing research on this Kai T1 smartphone.
Hans on demonstration of the Q&O T1 projector phone:


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