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Jim Acosta / CNN:
Susan Rice defends Bergdahl comments, calls his service 'honorable' — Colleville-sur-Mer, FRANCE (CNN) — President Barack Obama's national security adviser said Friday that her full-throated praise of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was appropriate given the former Taliban prisoner's willingness …
Discussion: Wall Street Journal, Weekly Standard, Talking Points Memo, Hot Air, PoliticusUSA, The Gateway Pundit, Politico and The PJ Tatler
Janet Hook / Wall Street Journal: Susan Rice Defends Claim That Bergdahl Served 'With Honor and Distinction'
Daniel Halper / Weekly Standard: Rice: Bergdahl Did 'Very Honorable Thing'
Tom Kludt / Talking Points Memo: White House Stands Firm As Conservatives Swarm Susan Rice Over Bergdahl
Ed Morrissey / Hot Air: Rice: 30 day notification requirement was too long, so ... we ignored it altogether
Justin Baragona / PoliticusUSA: Susan Rice Fires Back At Republican Critics Trying To Benghazi Her On Bergdahl
Jim Hoft / The Gateway Pundit: UNREAL. Susan Rice Defends Deserter Bergdahl Again - Calls His Service "Honorable" (Video)
Rich Lowry / Politico: Susan Rice Strikes Again
David Steinberg / The PJ Tatler: Susan Rice Defends, Rewrites Her 'Honor and Distinction' Statement
Did Sergeant Bergdahl Desert The Army Or Did The Army Desert Him? — Vikram J. Singh is Vice President for National Security and International Affairs at the Center for American Progress. — The mental health issues of soldiers during our longest period of war are often overlooked.
Discussion: The Daily Caller, Le·gal In·sur·rec· tion, RedState, The Week and The Huffington Post
Stephen Kruiser / The Daily Caller: Barack Obama Is Somebody's Child
William A. Jacobson / Le·gal In·sur·rec· tion: Think Progress: The Army deserted Bowe Bergdahl
Erick Erickson / RedState: Think Progress: It's the Army's Fault We Traded Five Terrorists
Jordan Valinsky / The Week: Sarah Palin suggests Bowe Bergdahl should buy Rosetta Stone to help him re-learn English
New York Times:
The Rush to Demonize Sgt. Bergdahl — Four months ago, Senator John McCain said he would support the exchange of five hard-core Taliban leaders for the release of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. "I would support," he told CNN. "Obviously I'd have to know the details, but I would support ways of bringing …
Anne Gearan / Washington Post: Sources outline conditions on Taliban leaders' release in exchange for Bergdahl
Mario Trujillo / The Hill: Cochran, others delete Bergdahl praise
Maha / The Mahablog: What's the Difference Between Today's GOP and a Bunch of 5th Grade Playground Bullies?
William A. Jacobson / Le·gal In·sur·rec· tion: NY Times Editors Rush to Demonize Republicans over Sgt. Bergdahl
Dylan Byers / Politico: John McCain against the media
Pamela Leavey / The Democratic Daily: The Appalling Demonization of Bowe Bergdahl
Laura Clawson / Daily Kos: Conflicting reports on Bergdahl disappearance highlight that many reported 'facts' aren't
Zack Beauchamp / Vox: 8 conservatives who hated Obama for not releasing Bergdahl — and now hate Obama for freeing him
Pete Kasperowicz / TheBlaze.com: McCain hits New York Times for 'shameful' editing of his statement on Bergdahl
DMartyr / The Jawa Report: NYT: Bergdahl Just A "Free-Spirit;" Capture Was His Lying Platoon's Fault
Ruchi Parekh / Just Security: News Roundup and Notes: June 6, 2014
Brendan Bordelon / The Daily Caller: Far-Left Media Buries Their Heads In The Sand Over Bergdahl Scandal
Ritika Singh / Lawfare: Today's Headlines and Commentary
Mark Hemingway / Weekly Standard: New York Times Editorial: Bergdahl's Unit 'As Much to Blame' For His Disappearance
Glenn Kessler / Washington Post:
Did John McCain flip-flop on the Bergdahl deal?
Did John McCain flip-flop on the Bergdahl deal?
Discussion: Hot Air, Booman Tribune, Talking Points Memo, National Review, Weekly Standard, The Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Politico and New York Times
Ed Morrissey / Hot Air: WH sales pitch on restrictions for released Taliban leaders not exactly a confidence-builder
BooMan / Booman Tribune: John McCain is a Former POW
Catherine Thompson / Talking Points Memo: Fact Checker: Despite What McCain Says, He Flip-Flopped On Bergdahl Swap
Jim Geraghty / National Review: The Administration's Cavalcade of Lies on the Bergdahl Deal Continues
Jeryl Bier / Weekly Standard: State Dept. in January: Giving In to Terrorist Demands 'Perpetuates the Action' of Kidnappings
Laura Clawson / Daily Kos: John McCain flip-flops on Bowe Bergdahl, then lies about it
Burgess Everett / Politico: John McCain aide disputes flip-flop charge
Michael Crowley / TIME:
Susan Rice Is Under Fire Again
Susan Rice Is Under Fire Again
Discussion: Politico, Fox News, BREITBART.COM, The Daily Caller and The PJ Tatler
Jonathan Topaz / Politico: Susan Rice explains her praise of Bowe Bergdahl
Brendan Bordelon / The Daily Caller: Rice Backtracks On Bergdahl: 'Young Man Whose Circumstances We Are Still Going To Learn About'
Noah Rothman / Mediaite:
D-Day Interpretive Dance Caps Off Month of Disrespect for Vets — If you weren't sure that the Western world's supposed admiration for the sacrifices of military veterans was just lip service, you were privy to a rather definitive confirmation of that fact in the past four weeks.
Discussion: Hot Air, The PJ Tatler, Ed Driscoll, The Jawa Report and Fox News
Kathleen Hunter / Bloomberg:
No Evidence of 'Credible Threat' to Bergdahl: Feinstein — The Senate Intelligence Committee chairwoman said she hasn't been convinced that there was a "credible threat" against the life of freed Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl that motivated the White House to keep its plans secret from Congress.
Discussion: The Daily Caller, Washington Post and Mediaite
Chuck Ross / The Daily Caller: Senate Intelligence Chair Says No 'Credible Threat' On Bergdahl's Life
Sean Sullivan / Washington Post: Feinstein not sold on idea of 'credible threat' against Bergdahl if deal leaked
Jonathan Topaz / Politico:
Dianne Feinstein: No threat to Bergdahl
Dianne Feinstein: No threat to Bergdahl
Allahpundit / Hot Air: Uh oh: Feinstein says she's seen no evidence that Taliban would have killed Bergdahl had deal leaked
Justin Sink / The Hill: Obama: 'Absolutely no apologies'
Jeff Bell / Wall Street Journal:
43 beats 44, 48% to 42%. — This has to hurt: A plurality …
43 beats 44, 48% to 42%. — This has to hurt: A plurality …
Discussion: Washington Post, RedState, The PJ Tatler, Associated Press and Greensburg Tribune-Review
Greg Sargent / Washington Post: On Bowe Bergdahl, lawmakers need to do better
Bryan Preston / The PJ Tatler: Former Defense Secretary Reveals Disturbing Truth Behind the Bergdahl Deal
Edward-Isaac Dovere / Politico:
John Podesta: U.S. can monitor detainees released in Bergdahl deal
John Podesta: U.S. can monitor detainees released in Bergdahl deal
Discussion: The Hill
Timothy Cama / The Hill: Podesta: Border crossings 'heartbreaking'
Justin Sink / The Hill:
White House: 'No evidence' Bergdahl fraternized with Taliban
White House: 'No evidence' Bergdahl fraternized with Taliban
Discussion: CNN, The Gateway Pundit, The Federalist and The Daily Caller
Jim Hoft / The Gateway Pundit: Obama White House Insists "No Evidence" Deserter Bergdahl Fraternized With Taliban ...Really?
Mollie Hemingway / The Federalist: The 8 Stupidest Arguments Being Made About Obama's Bergdahl Swap
Mushtaq Yusufzai / NBC News:
Freed Taliban Commander Tells Relative He'll Fight Americans Again — "Noorullah Noori kept insisting he would go to Afghanistan and fight American forces there," a Taliban commander told NBC News.
Discussion: TPNN, Mediaite, The Daily Caller, Hot Air, Independent Journal Review, National Review and The Gateway Pundit
Matthew Burke / TPNN: Terrorist Commander Freed by Obama Vows to Kill More Americans
Allahpundit / Hot Air: Freed Taliban vows: I'll fight Americans again
Caroline Schaeffer / Independent Journal Review: Just What We Feared: Freed Taliban Leader Vows To Return To His Reign Of Terror
Andrew Johnson / National Review: Qatar's 'Far from Satisfying' Approach to Returned Gitmo Prisoners
Jim Hoft / The Gateway Pundit: Surprise! Freed Taliban Leader Vows to Return to Afghanistan & Kill More Americans
Stephen F. Hayes / Weekly Standard:
The Unraveling — How the Obama administration's story …
The Unraveling — How the Obama administration's story …
Discussion: The Daily Caller and The Daily Beast
The Seattle Times:
Hero's quick thinking likely saved lives at SPU — He's described as quiet, gentle, outdoorsy; a young man of deep Christian faith and dedicated student on the cusp of a promising life beyond college. But by several accounts Thursday, a single word prevailed when describing Seattle Pacific University student Jon Meis: hero.
Discussion: Washington Post, Religion News Service, The Raw Story, NPR, Gawker, Clayton Cramer, Hullabaloo and KIRO-TV
Mark Berman / Washington Post: After fatal shooting at Seattle Pacific University, two students remain hospitalized
Kevin Eckstrom / Religion News Service: Sister Cristina * Seattle shooting * Baptist beer : Friday's Roundup
Amanda Marcotte / The Raw Story: Turns out the thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a hall monitor with pepper spray
Laurel Dalrymple / NPR: Heroes Among Us: When Ordinary People Become Extraordinary
Taylor Berman / Gawker: Seattle Gunman Reportedly Obsessed With Columbine
Digby / Hullabaloo: Sanity-1 Wayne LaPierre-0
ABC News:
Hillary Clinton Won't Second Guess President Obama's 'Very Hard Choice' On Bergdahl … In an exclusive interview with ABC's Diane Sawyer, Hillary Clinton defended President Obama's decision to swap five Taliban prisoners for U.S. solider Bowe Bergdahl, saying she won't second guess him.
Discussion: Washington Post, National Review, ABC News and CBS News
Philip Rucker / Washington Post: Hillary Clinton defends Obama on Bergdahl, says 'it doesn't matter' how he was captured
Luis Martinez / ABC News: Bowe Bergdahl Had Left Unit Twice Before, Probe Shows
The groups that have Hillary's back — Washington (CNN) …
The groups that have Hillary's back — Washington (CNN) …
Discussion: Politico, Real Clear Politics, Weekly Standard and Quinnipiac News + Events
Alexis Simendinger / Real Clear Politics: Obama Aims to Close Gitmo by 2017, Says Podesta
Daniel Halper / Weekly Standard: Hillary Book Strategy Meeting Held at White House
Deputy shot at Forsyth Co. courthouse — FORSYTH COUNTY, Ga. — Cumming police say a Forsyth County deputy was shot at the county courthouse. — The shooting happened at Forsyth County Administration Building on East Main Street Friday morning. Law enforcement sources told Channel …
Discussion: Talking Points Memo, Hinterland Gazette and The Raw Story
Catherine Thompson / Talking Points Memo: Deputy Shot At Georgia County Courthouse, Suspect Dead
Janet Shan / Hinterland Gazette: Dennis Marx ID'd as Forsyth County Courthouse Shooting Suspect, Home is an Explosive Trap
Travis Gettys / The Raw Story: Heavily armed sovereign citizen wounds deputy in doomed GA courthouse takeover plot
Man Killed in Accidental Shooting While Driving — A family is grieving after a man, who was only a mile away from his home, accidentally shoots himself while driving Wednesday afternoon. — 49-year-old James McKenzie died from his injuries. — NewsChannel 9 has learned that the victim …
Discussion: Talking Points Memo, Mediaite and Joe. My. God.
Catherine Thompson / Talking Points Memo: Tennessee Man Accidentally Shoots, Kills Self While Driving
Matthew Continetti / Washington Free Beacon:
Dialing It In — One evening in March, during a visit to Italy, President Obama asked the U.S. ambassador to round up a bunch of—and I quote—"interesting Italians" for a dinner at the ambassadorial residence. The history of the property, the Villa Taverna, goes as far back as the tenth century.
Discussion: Ed Driscoll, Washington Monthly and The PJ Tatler
Roy Edroso / alicublog:
Discussion: Lawyers, Guns & Money and Eschaton
Atrios / Eschaton: Where's My Party Invitation
Michael M. Grynbaum / New York Times:
Brooklyn Will Vie to Host 2016 Democratic National Convention, de Blasio Says — Brooklyn, a nexus of the new Democratic left that has morphed from working-class enclave to a gritty, global arbiter of cool, will vie to host the Democratic National Convention in 2016, Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City said on Friday.
Discussion: CNN, OnPolitics, Des Moines Register, Washington Post, Hit & Run, Politico and The Week
Catalina Camia / OnPolitics: Brooklyn submits bid for 2016 Democratic convention
Elizabeth Nolan Brown / Hit & Run: Brooklyn Bids for 2016 Democratic National Convention
Jonathan Topaz / Politico: Brooklyn to bid for DNC 2016
Jordan Valinsky / The Week: Brooklyn wants to host the 2016 Democratic National Convention
Marc Caputo / Naked Politics:
Dem donor John Morgan blasts 'irrelevant...irritant' DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz over RX pot — Major Democratic donor John Morgan blasted the national party's chair, U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, as an "irritant" who is becoming "irrelevant" after she voiced concerns …
Discussion: TPNN and Washington Free Beacon
D-Day: Hove veteran disappears for Normandy trip — Staff had not been able to get Bernard Jordan on to an accredited tour to Normandy, but he made his own way there — An 89-year-old WW2 veteran disappeared from his nursing home without saying where he was going and went to France for the D-Day commemorations.
Discussion: WAMC, Hullabaloo and The PJ Tatler
Camila Domonoske / WAMC: WWII Vet, AWOL From Nursing Home, Found At Normandy Ceremonies
Digby / Hullabaloo: He's still got it
Stephen Kruiser / The PJ Tatler: British WWII Vet Bails On Nursing Home To Attend D-Day Ceremony
Wall Street Journal:
Schumer Drops by Graduations to Tell Same 'Loser' Story — New York Senator Often Arrives Unadvertised but Colleges Aren't Complaining; 'It's a Tradition' — New York Sen. Chuck Schumer likes to show up unannounced at college commencements in the state, and he often tells this story about the summer after he graduated from Harvard.
Discussion: Politico, Capital New York, Business Insider and Lawyers, Guns & Money
Scott Wong / Politico: HOW FREEDOMWORKS PLANS TO HELP BEAT COCHRAN - …
Colin Campbell / Business Insider: Chuck Schumer Can't Stop Telling Young People About His College Breakup
Jason Stein / JSOnline:
Federal judge overturns Wisconsin's gay marriage ban — Judi Trampf (left) and her partner Katy Heyning speak during a news conference in February by the American Civil Liberties Union about a lawsuit challenging the state's seven-year-old ban on gay marriage. A federal judge in Madison on Friday overturned the ban.
Laura Clawson / Daily Kos: Judge rules for marriage equality in Wisconsin
John Paczkowski / Re/code:
Code/red: Yes, Apple's First Wearable Device Is Slated for October — // HAPPENING TODAY — Arista Networks is trading for the first time on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker ANET. — The Palm Pre turns five years old. — National Doughnut Day — Apple Hopes to Debut Wearable in October
Discussion: Business Insider, Engadget, Gigaom and The Verge
Dave Smith / Business Insider: The iWatch Is Coming In October
Josh Lowensohn / The Verge: Apple said to be planning October event to unveil wearable device
Michael Peck / The National Interest:
Five Ways D-Day Could Have Been a Disaster — With hindsight, it is easy to assume that by 1944, the Third Reich was doomed. It could have all gone very wrong. — General Dwight D. Eisenhower's face was grim but composed as he read a short message to the assembled group of reporters on the morning of June 7, 1944.
Discussion: Real Clear Politics, The Other McCain and Power Line
Ronald Reagan / Real Clear Politics: The Boys of Pointe du Hoc
Robert Stacy McCain / The Other McCain: 'Hold Until Relieved'
Scott Johnson / Power Line: The ordeal of Omaha Beach
Catherine Thompson / Talking Points Memo:
Obama And Putin Have Totally Awkward D-Day Encounter — Things got awkward when President Barack Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin found themselves in close quarters Friday. — The leaders were attending a luncheon hosted by French President Francois Hollande after the morning's D-Day ceremonies.
Discussion: Politico, Mediaite and Outside the Beltway
Jennifer Epstein / Politico: Obama 'optimistic' post Putin talk
Matt Wilstein / Mediaite: CNN Split-Screen Fools Amanpour into Thinking Obama and Putin Are Standing Together
Doug Mataconis / Outside the Beltway: Obama And Putin's Awkward Encounter
Jim Treacher / The Daily Caller:
PA 1st-Grader Accidentally Brings Toy Gun To School, Turns It In, Gets Suspended — Another day, another cowardly school administrator punishing kids for being kids and then hiding behind a "zero-tolerance" policy. — WTAE, Pittsburgh: … "I'm not a'sposedta have this." Wow, what a hardened criminal.
Discussion: Hit & Run and The Gateway Pundit


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|View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 27
|10: Amazing...
|9 out of 10: Excellent...
|8 out of 10: Very Good...
|7 out of 10: Good...
|6 out of 10: Average...
|5 out of 10: Below Average...
|4 out of 10: Poor...
|3 out of 10: Bad...
|2 out of 10: Very Bad...
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|Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll
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|2012-04-16, 19:33
|Link #101
Puppet Master
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Behind You
If Zeheart wanted to simply use Asemu to ensure Ezelcant's backup plan worked, he would not have saved him once Downes blew up.
I think the their goals just happened to be the same, and there's no point in looking too much into that.
|2012-04-16, 19:56
|Link #102
Join Date: Apr 2003
The distinction is that while the Vagans hate the Earth Fed, they revere Earth and don't want to see it get damaged. So even though they're at war, they also don't want to see it harmed by something like a giant fortress causing a nuclear impact site, etc.
Unlike the Blue Earth group or w/e from Seed Destiny that were crazy and would use any means to see through their goals.
|2012-04-16, 22:26
|Link #103
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Ve Land
I must say i'm pretty impressed with Flit and his strategy , i think its the first time i'm impressed with 2nd gen Flit.
For a long time now, i have refrained from talking about the plot cause we don't have the full picture of Ezelcant's plan. Even though i don't know the full extent of this 'back-up' plan of his , i figured i must still let some steam out. It seems to be implied that sending troops down to earth isn't some 'back-up plan', and it seems really ridiculous to have the it exist. It's as if it was some lousy excuse for them failing the operation, and if it really was Ezelcant's intention from the start it seems really ridiculous to sacrifice so many troops for the sake of sending a couple of people/MS down to earth .
I don't believe that by now Ezelcant wouldn't already have moles/MS down on earth, in fact i believe if he wanted he could have done so a long time ago. I wonder what's this great plan of his that is taking so freaking long, after so many years have past(during the time skips) i can't believe that nothing significant has been achieved. While i understand that the director wants to protray the 3 generations story line, i would be very disappointed if the reason nothing much happened during the time skip was just a plot device to keep the 3 gen story line going.
And wow, after so long the colony destroyer finally makes it appearance again. I wonder where the hell they were when they were needed. 'Plot' hole ? Still, looking at this episode as a stand alone episode, i voted 10. Though to think about it , i was supposed to vote a 9. But whatever.
|2012-04-16, 22:38
|Link #104
Puppet Master
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Behind You
No, the original plan was to have Downes link up with Nortrum, and use it as a forward operating base. That would have been the ideal outcome for Ezelcant. He says that the plan cannot possibly fail because even if they fail to capture the colony, and Downes is destroyed, they can still use that to their advantage like they did here. He essentially crafted a win-win scenario, that at best would net them a nice colony to support their war effort. At worst they'd be able to invade Earth undetected, and we all know how important the element of surprise is!
|2012-04-17, 00:24
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Goat Herder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Age: 32
Hell, as far as leaders go, Ezelcant seems pretty reasonable towards his own men on the whole. Other antagonist leaders in Gundam series would've had their men punished or executed for a failure as big as the Big Ring operation, but he didn't... and then there's this, so yeah. He has something of a heart towards his own people, at least.
|2012-04-17, 00:47
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The Dark Knight
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: From the deepest abyss in the world, where you think?
Age: 33
Ezelcant took the Big Ring Operation Plan B a success as it was a good way to measure the Federation's strength.
The destruction of the fortress Plan B allowed the Vagans to infiltrate Earth.
|2012-04-17, 09:53
|Link #107
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Ve Land
|2012-04-17, 13:37
|Link #108
Puppet Master
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|2012-04-17, 13:59
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Deploying Funnel Cakes
Join Date: Jan 2008
that's a classic Gundam death flag. Marriage proposal = people are gonna die and get really messed up. Remi and Obright could have taken it slowly.... she would still be alive.
How about the next episode? Segue into third protagonists story or the second half of Asemu arc?
Zeheart is now on Earth. Romary is going to run away with him.
Arisa is going to be Kio's mom. . .
Asemu is now taking up Woolf's mantle as the Supa Pilot.
Flit: Grandpa in classic looking Gundam
Asemu: Dad without x-rounder powers but will grow sideburns and ride around in white de-AGEd Gundam Bouncer.
|2012-04-17, 16:23
|Link #110
User of the "Fast Draw"
My problem with plan B is that it didn't require all this effort. If the goal was to get people onto the Earth how hard would it be really to sneak people onto ships heading to Earth? We've already seen how sad the security is on the colonies, shouldn't be that hard to get Vagans onto the Earth without needing a full scale battle. I'd say Ezelcant's plan failed and with sneaking the pods onto Earth they only managed to avoid it being a complete disaster. But with a mysterious leader like Ezelcant anything that happens no matter how random can be considered part of the plan.
I only feel sorry for Remi. Obright was the one waving around death flags like an idiot. Every time we saw him he was trying to wave that flag a little bit more. In the end Remi paid the price for flagrant effort to upset the Gundam gods.
At least the episode went well for Asemu. Looked more competent to his father and everyone with how he helped save the day there. Also helped repair the rift between him and Romary a little and get her to show more concern for him than I've seen in a while. To top it off was able to work with Zeheart a bit. An Asemu that isn't depressed or raging is easier to get along with. While still on opposite sides this chance to work together was key for their severely damaged friendship.
I hadn't thought about it, but yeah the Vagans really can't have ships dropping onto the Earth or anything. Can't use it as their Eden if it's destroyed.
Thought it was a bit too early for Asemu's arc to end. Now things heading to Earth and Asemu taking on the Woolf mantle. He may never have gotten to pilot a white Gundam, but at least Asemu can be a kind of successor to him and take that on.
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What bothers me is that I don't see how a few thousands people are going to be able to do. Even as sleeper cells, it'd take some help on the ground to slip them into good covers. And if they were able to get people on the ground before, then yeah - what would they need that big, costly battle for?
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My guess is that with only relatively few Vagans making it to Earth, they'll need some time to regroup, coordinate with each other, then sneak/smuggle in more Vagans to get up viable production to create mobile suits before they can begin fighting again.
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Does seem like they will have way too few people to really fight a war. Of course works out fine for generation 3 since it gives some reason for why we can have another gap. It's definitely not much of a plan B since with so few people they can only do so much. Maybe they can try and conquer a few small countries and dig in.
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No but, the lack of earth in Gen 1/2 annoyed me slightly, it feel good that we're finally going to see the good old lady animated.
This episode felt too rushed for my taste, the previous one was a solid 9/10 for me, giving this one a 6/10.
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In slightly less random fashion, I rewatched the scene and noticed that it wasn't so much that Remi got instantly gibbed by Mink, but that her warning system went off and she went up to shield the bridge from Mink's attack.
I realized the really effed up part of this though -- while they were all really shaken up at Woolf's death -- they don't even acknowledge the sacrifice Remi made for them by shielding the bridge. Even with Obright going out there, not even an offhand comment was made about her and they go about their business as usual.
Kinda cold...
PS: What is it with Gundam and cracking helmet glass? Why are they even still made out of glass? You think by now they would use enamelized plastic ala ballistic types to avoid that.
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Apr 19, 2013, 04:15 am
OK, I have been planning a lighting system for the shop I am building. I do not have code or exact specs yet, I have searched the forums and have not seen anything similar (let me know if I missed it).
Essentially I want to use a Xbee Arduino setup with smartphone (or similar) control. I will also have a few wall switches.
The lights are going to be 50W 5000lm 6500K Integrated Square 1-LED White Light Module (32-34V) One per fixture
I will have a massive heat sink for each light.
Each LED light will be controlled individually or in pairs (depending on power supply options) It will use Xbee to communicate between lights.
I want to use a proximity sensor to sense where people are on the shop and adjust lighting (bright near the people dim in the rest)
I would also like to have a light sensor to make the system automatically compensate for ambient light (if dim more light, if there is tons of sunshine less light.
Issues I see are that I am dealing with high power LED's that require much more than the Arduino can control with the PWM. How does one control a 50W LED with dimming, and how do you supply proper power for the LED?
Now there are going to be around 16 of these beasts in the shop, that is where the Xbee comes in, I hope they will all talk and figure it out amongst themselves and not need me to adjust the lighting.
Yes you guessed it I am a NOOB to Arduino. I have been lurking in forums playing on Google and trying to figure all of this out myself. I hope that one of you will find this project interesting and we can collaborate. I have done lots of residential wiring, alarm systems in cars and houses, built computers, some circuits but when it comes to figuring out how to get these parts to play together I am a bit lost. I do not want to burn the place down or end up spending $200 per light, so I hope there are some cheap easy ways to accomplish this.
Thank you in advance!
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Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 19, 2013, 04:25 am
You might find some joy in the Motors Mechanics and Power section. A 50w LED more or less equates with something heavy that moves.
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 19, 2013, 06:52 pm
Thank you for the reply, I have scoured that section and several other places and can not find a board that can control more than 25W. Ideas or suggestions?
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 19, 2013, 07:12 pm
Also do I need one Arduino for each light or is thee a way to run 16 lights individually from one Arduino? Seems like the biggest issue is the high power requirements.
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 19, 2013, 07:57 pm
You need an Arduino at every light.
Controlling leds with PWM can be done with a logic level power mosfet.
The problem is the power supply for the leds. They should be able to handle the PWM signal, and I don'w know if led drivers can do that.
I see this scenario: Everything seems to work so well that the lamps are mass produced and are selling good. When it is dark a person is in the shop, and the lights near him or her are on. That person uses a flashlight and switched it shortly on towards the lights above him or her. Those lights will dim, causing the lights further away in the shop to turn on. This starts a never ending wave of oscillation lights across the whole town.
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 19, 2013, 08:58 pm
Yes interior light sensing is more challenging. I was hoping to be able to do something like the following
If presence detected in direct area light set to 35 lumens per SF (or adjustable)
If presence detected in another zone but not this zone dim to 20 lumens per SF
If no presence detected in all areas all lights off
I will have a few zonal areas like the main shop the paint booth, the shipping department and other areas. So I will need to program say 5 zones with similar functionality but not interdependence. In other words if no presence detected in the paint booth all lights off in the paint booth, regardless if all sensors detect people in all other zones.
I hope to be able to find light sensors that can detect specific light values and control the lighting dependent on that... otherwise I will not be able to control lighting dynamically. As you mentioned normal light sensors sold in hardware stores turn on or off lights at a dusk like setting so the lights turn on then the sensor sees the light bouncing off the walls and turn off the light, then the sensors see that there is no light and it turns on the light and so on. I was at a store when a customer was arguing an employee about how the lights with a photocell should work inside because it works outside, it actually got heated bless the employee for his efforts but the customer just did not get that the light bounces around inside and outside it does not (laymen explanation).
So the big questions;
Which sensors give a specific value of light input to the Arduino board
How do you control a single 34V 1.6A led with dimming capabilities (or without for that matter)
How do you program this functionality.
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 19, 2013, 11:09 pm
If you want to compensate for ambient light, you are making an oscillator. Because the ambient light is also the light of the nearby lamp.
Take a look at the ABC guide, http://www.pighixxx.com/abc-arduino-basic-connections/
For example the mosfet on the bottom-left of "Card 3". Click on "Set 1 (Card 1,2,3)" to open the pdf.
This is a mosfet that can switch it, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10213
Never mind that it is able to switch 30A. A mosfet of 30A is perfect to switch 1.6A.
There are so many light sensors.
You could connect an LDR and a resistor to an Arduino analog input (ABC guide, card 1, lower-right), 20 for 2 dollars on Ebay.
Or photodiode, 2 dollars on Ebay.
Or an expensive lux sensor.
For programming, start with the examples that come with the Arduino IDE.
How do you want to detect if a person is present ?
A PIR sensor only senses motion.
Perhaps ultrasonic ? But what if someone places a tall box under a lamp ?
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 19, 2013, 11:19 pm
Thank you for the link I will need to study that for a bit.
As you can tell I am trying to learn all of this so thank you very much for taking your time and hopefully in time I will get it all.
Honestly I still do not understand how to control the MOFSET from the Arduino and or how to wire it all up but given the correct layout I can solder like a mad man. I have tried projects for years now and I am getting better.
I am thinking of using this https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9768 to sense the light it seems to have good control and variability.
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 20, 2013, 01:04 am
So the Arduino can control many outputs, why can I not use one board, control 16 lights, have 16 photo sensors and, some number of proximity sensors?
New construction so wiring is not a big deal.
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 20, 2013, 09:31 am
Sure, that is possible.
The wiring (and the costs to put them in place) could be more expensive than the Arduinos.
With long wires, the Arduino must have more protection against electrical spikes. Perhaps even optocouplers.
If you have a working module, you can make 16 of them. That is not hard.
An Arduino Pro Mini clone costs about 5 dollars on Ebay.
Making the modules to talk with each other, increases the complexity a lot.
On the other hand, having a single unit, will make it a lot easier to take all light sensors into account.
There is not need for the modules to talk with each other, since you have all the information in one Arduino.
I'm still curious, what kind of proximity sensors ?
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 21, 2013, 08:15 am
Sorry I thought I had the link for the PIR sensor
that is just one option.
I was seeing the Arduino boards for around $25 so that is one of the reasons I was looking to reduce the number of boards. Realistically I am doing my own wiring and wire is not that expensive especially when you consider that the shop is only around 2,500 SF so even the farthest out light is only around 60 feet away (at most). I already have tons of cat5e wire which should work for data, power conversion can be done at the light.
Yes I am scared at how I am going to get 16 Arduino boards talk and listen to each other. I was thinking that was going to be the Xbee, but again I am adding cost.
After more research I am beginning to understand the use and need for the MOFSET to translate the power from the Arduino to my power supply
But still need to verify NPN or PNP for these LED's
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 21, 2013, 09:54 am
Are you going to put the mains voltage on a cat5 cable ? I would not recommend it.
If you choose the "Light to Frequency Converter - TSL235R", you have to measure the frequency. Perhaps there is a library for that. I don't know if the frequency signal will work with the cat5 cable.
For a mosfet, most of the time a N-channel mosfet is used.
But I don't know if the led driver is capable to be used with a PWM driven load.
For a 50W led, you need a big heatsink, perhaps even a fan.
The lower the temperature of the led, the longer it lasts.
I have a led like that, but only 10W. My heatsink turned out to be too small, so I had to lower it to 5W. I read that reducing the current to half of the maximum only lowers the light intensity by 20% or 30% or so, and the led will last longer. But I can't find it right now.
A PIR sensor detects motion. If someone stands still the lights will turn off.
Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 22, 2013, 07:04 am
No only data on the Cat5 not Power.
I am thinking of the power supply at each light one Arduino board near the main entrance to the building and multiple sensors around the building.
For the UI maybe a touch pad? Smartphone? ideas?
Yes you need a HUGE active heatsink meaning a cooling fan nad large block of aluminum/ copper for these led's
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Apr 26, 2013, 05:19 pm
Um, well there are products that can help with that...
So the CATkit is a shield which distributes 18 data channels over CAT5 cable. Each signal can be used for a sensor, an actuator or another device such as an LCD display. This would be very appropriate for your project with a PIR sensor and a relay board controlled by a remote Arduino for example. Local power would be provided by AC or battery to the relay and lighting of course.
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Re: Automated LED for shop
Apr 27, 2013, 05:10 am
Thank you for the heads up on that, it is an interesting option!
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Just as the Nicki Minaj/ Mariah Carey American Idol feud was beginning to calm down, Barbara Walters went on The View this morning and reignited the whole mess. The longtime journalist and personal friend of Carey's told her co-hosts the worried pop star has hired more security guards because the rapper called her a bitch and threatened her life.
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Nice find, RbGarr, thanks.
We have shared it here.
Around here, I see younger folks mostly in the Small Boat community. Oughtred boats. Welsford boats. Storer boats. Etc. My two boys share ownership in a daysailor. The older one and his fiance are thinking they'd like to own a larger boat at some point.
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Where are all the young boaters is the OP question. It's hard to get real data, I wonder how much things have changed or even if they have changed at all?
When I was a kid in the fifties a whole lot of kids went into little league and there were many adults interested in that venue. Since we lived in a waterfront community and a local yacht club had a great youth sailing program, a number of kids joined that, but I think at most there might have been 50 kids a year compared to the 100's in little league. If the kids in the sailing program really liked to be on the water they'd get to know older guys who owned boats.
It was always the older guys who owned boats. I don"t think I knew anyone under 30 who actually owned a boat. Guys in the 30 to 45 year old group owned 15 to 19 foot boats, Snipes, lightnings, Day Sailers, Flying Scots, etc. There wasn't that great of a turnout among these guys for weekly races, but the ones who did turn out wanted crew, and there always were spots for us kids. That's how kids got real boating exposure, and a proportion of them went on to be adult boaters / owners.
Boats in the 25 foot and over category were always owned by old guys - guys 50 and over (yeah there were younger exceptions, but they were rare). These guys needed crews too. Sometimes an old guy was wealthy enough to buy an Alberg 35 but knew nothing about sailing. Guys like that really needed crew - that's where the young guys came in. I think if you want to find young boaters (and old ones too) you need to look for active club racing programs. Racers get out on a weekly basis, they're active and visible if you look for them.
Interesting article. The mainstream sailing media, officialdom and industry these days seems to assume that all younger people are adrenalin-crazed speed junkies with cash to burn, which is just silly if you look at what young people actually do on or off the water. The cliche seems to be really hurting sailing, but luckily kids these days can create their own media and movements and maybe that will lead to a resurgence in the sport.
There are young people into boating. You'll find us down at the 26' and shorter docks, at the wooden boat centers, as crew on the sail training ships, and at the shallow end of the anchorages. Many are liveaboards, the boats are invariably craigslist dreams bought for nothing and never completed. We sail more than the older folks, and probably have more fun. Look for the boats with bikinis draped over crazed and faded gelcoat. Tattooed, bearded crew who don't mind the rigging decades past its expected life and who never properly furl the sails, because they are going back up again in the morning when the 2 stroke OB won't start. The messy furl probably looks good with an instagram filter anyway. Millenials are even buying and restoring old wooden boats, because they are cheap and we are romantic.
We're out there.
But the real question is whether these sailing Millenials will put their money into a new magazine like "Young and Salty."
Or into a subscription to WoodenBoat for that matter! An important point for all those who enjoy using this WoodenBoat Magazine Forum.
Like Dave says, its hard to get real data. I personally don't even have any anecdotal evidence of young people getting involved in sailing. Beyond the sustained popularity and growth of kayaking, I don't see younger people even getting outdoors, let alone considering buying a sailboat.
The author of that article has a telling point. They are living on a sailboat because they have been priced out of the real estate and apartment market. This is the experience of most Millenials these days. They really don't have any expendable income to do more than buy a couple of rec kayaks at the Army Navy store.
But the problem isn't just money. There's a cultural shift at work, too. That shift that says real adventure is to be found in the depths of the computer screen.
Interesting article. A little anecdotal, but still makes some good points.
Great blog name - among teens there has been a renaissance of "salty" meaning risque or biting ("I got a salty text message from Chad!"), so "youngandsalty" is very clever.
I have a very skewed view of the number of young sailors. I work part-time at Community Boating in Boston. All summer long we have hundreds of kids in our junior program, which is summer camp on the water, and they go from absolute beginners to sailing 23' sonars. After the kids leave we cater to adult sailors of all ages, but I think most of the beginners are in the 20-40 range. Not all of them stick with sailing, but some do. In spring and fall we host local high school racing teams. All of the kids I work with are really good sailors.
I think anywhere that sailing is affordable and accessible, you'll find younger sailors.
For that matter, check out the Appalachian trail within a hundred miles of any major city on a weekend afternoon; we're all over. As J said, our boats tend to be smaller, but that's largely a function of the fact that the oldest among us are barely 35. My biggest boat is a 9-1/2' nutshell. Eventually I'll have a real cruising boat, but not for a few years. I'll be *old* then!
The boomers' parents said the same thing about TV.There's a cultural shift at work, too. That shift that says real adventure is to be found in the depths of the computer screen.
I have been predicting an uptick in young people sailing for sometime, but have yet to notice it. so many 20 somethings just seem to fit the sport of sailing. Its eco-friendly, in touch with nature, fun, adventurous. Alas, I think the problems are the following:
1) lack of good small boats being produced outside the racing market. Sorry, most 30 year ok Catalina 22 look like money pits.
2) lack of options for storage. They live in condos, even a small daysailor on a trailer is a challenge.
3). Very busy lives
We here at the WBF may picture those millenials puttering about in lugsail prams to get started. My bet is that if anything catches their attention, it will be more like this, the UFO catamaran foiler, aimed dead center at young people who have $7,000 to drop and the urge to get out on the water in an easy-to-learn but fast and exciting state of the art foiler. Will the old-school yacht clubs embrace such a thing and support fleets and racing programs?1) lack of good small boats being produced outside the racing market. Sorry, most 30 year ok Catalina 22 look like money pits.
At 32 I realize all I want to do is sail. I'm not rich, I work **** jobs for low pay. Sad but true. What I have done is learn how to do everything for my self. Largely thanx to my fathers seemingly endless knowledge of all things build by man, and YouTube. But because I invested In tools and learning, I now have a nice collection of boats. all of them were free and I haven't put more then $500 into any of them. A Prindle 14, hobie cat 18, ranger 22, fox 25 and an old Davidson lifeboat converted to sail as a trainer for the sea cadets. They were going to have them crushed. I got half a dozen assorted Davidson's that day all with rigging from the sea cadets. And I just picked up a tempest 23. Now I'm in a position where I can sell some of them and invest that into building a nice little wood boat that can take me to the south pacific where I can use it as a mothership for some of the best kayaking, windsurfing, kiteboarding and surfing in the world.
We are out here and we're not all rich. That's why you don't see us, we're the guys and girls {there are solo ladies out here) anchored in the bay next to the marinas and yacht clubs. See 'cause if we anchor, that **** paycheck for $1500 a month we saved up for 6 months can float us for 18 months if we do all are own maintenance and don't spend money on, well lets face it, totally unreasonable Vancouver slip fees. And I think the best part of the millennial sailors are, we help everyone. I've been snubbed by lots of older couples who needed help but wouldn't take it from a bearded, tattooed sailor on a craigslist special. Lol all the millennial sailors I've come across have always been nothing but kind, helpful and inclusive. And all the ones I've met either live aboard full time or half the year. I haven't met any weekend warriors my age and younger that weren't on powerboats. Not that I discriminate against powerboats, id love a Hacker one day.
J.Madison had it right, we love restoring and building wood boats, we're romantic like that.
Rising interest. But, anchoring out, doing it yourself ( or doing without), and working for "****" paychecks hardly supports a market. There is a dichotomy afoot.
Edit to add: Don't get me wrong. More power to you getting out there and doing it! I was simply commenting on the " market" aspect of the thread.
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There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.
A bit hard to build and then store a boat when you live in a tiny town home or worse still -- an apartment -- like many of them do. I built an Argie 15 in our 20 ft car garage at a condo, but the HOA grumps would have created a mountain of trouble for me had they known what I was doing behind my garage door. They fined some poor guy $50 for refinishing a kitchen table in his -- imagine the punishment for my heresies.
I dunno, I buy a lot of materials and sometimes I wonder if I am supporting an industry. Lol
there is a polarity here for sure but it's not that much different from soul-surfers and competition surfers. Most of the ones I know, myself included. We live on our boats because we're sailors not because we're looking for a place to live thats cheaper than an apartment but still close to work. And I'm seeing a division between soul-sailors and yachtsman. But I don't know that it is our fault, we'll gladly sail with anyone who wants to go sailing.
Given the economic future of many millenials, and the variety of activities they do, it's arguable that they may in fact be more interested in cheaper craft that are easier to use. Foiling is fun and the boats are fantastic, but there's good reasons that high performance craft are very rarely popular.
I was windsurfing during the '80s when the sport went down the whole "high speed is the future" rabbit hole. It's now pretty widely accepted that it was the death knell of windsurfing as a popular sport. Arguably sailing's current ills are partly because it has tried to go down the same route.
Wow, I think that hit the nail on the head. At least when it comes to boats, I windsurf and kiteboard but in a sailboat I want something steadfast and dependable to live on, not something fast for racing.
And these are exactly the objections that brought Steve and Dave Clark to develop the UFO. It's less than half the cost of a Moth foiler and said to be far easier to learn to sail. I have no idea if this boat will be the next Laser or Hobie 16, but that's what they are shooting for. I wish them luck, and have a hunch at least that they're on the right track. If they aren't, I have no clue where sailing is headed.Given the economic future of many millenials, and the variety of activities they do, it's arguable that they may in fact be more interested in cheaper craft that are easier to use. Foiling is fun and the boats are fantastic, but there's good reasons that high performance craft are very rarely popular.
Re #19.
The younger members of our club cannot afford new boats, and there is only one foiler owned by a man in his late 50's. And our club is the home of the moth. The boats being bought by younger members are older and wood. And some of the younger members lately are women which is good, though some of the older members rather prefer their wives making the tea and sandwiches.
A few years ago the yachting heirarchy abandoned all but the olympic classes thereby disenfranchising all but the wealthier, or sponsored yachties. Many classes of boats were suddenly useless for those with sailing ambitions and more or less worthless except in very limited internal club racing. Only the older members of the club can afford present 'class' boats. And that is us.
Being a member of a club the Sailing head office automatically bombarded me with 'you beaut' olympic news till I told them to go away.
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We could look at where small boat sailing is headed by looking at what is selling. Optis, plastic Opti copies, the RS Aero, Lasers, RS Fevas, RS Teras and 420s dominate the sales charts of racing classes. The Hobie sailing yaks may be the best selling of all, but they don't release sales figures. Nor does Bic, of O'pen fame.
Plenty of the cheaper, slower, old-school kids boats are vastly more popular than kids boats used to be. That part of the sailing community seems to be working pretty well. So are the plastic popouts like the Hobie yaks, plastic Opti copies, some of the RS classes, O'pens etc. A lot of the drop-off has been in high performance classes in many areas, and yet plenty of people in the sailing industry keep on promoting speed as the cure for sailing's ills.
The odd thing is that the industry often derides such craft and tries to promote more expensive stuff that very few people buy. The industry keeps saying that the new range of faster craft will save the sport; once it was cats, then high performance windsurfers, then skiffs, then canting keelers, now foilers. All those sorts remain only a small niches. Maybe if the sailing industry just stopped telling people that they should be interested in certain types of craft, and actually respected sailors enough to respect the boats they actually buy, the sport would improve?
WAY off-topic (since OP link doesn't refer to racing as such) but USSailing has come out with new rule changes for 2017. I've given up racing in anything but those with the simplest reaching bang-and-go-back or pursuit race starts. I used to know the rules well and have even been a judge at some events. Now not so much, or my mind has simply emptied itself of the rules, but I can't imagine someone new to the sport learning them easily in order to race safely. http://racingrulesblog.blogspot.com/...iling-for.html
That article doesn't surprise me, it's going on around me. As a boomer, I see the millenials moving into sailing and boat ownership, at a younger age - and in bigger boats - sooner, than their parents did. The reason: The huge supply of used boats (mostly glass), that are free, or nearly so.
As a father of two millenials, I don't think this is all great! What's great is to see my kids generation sailing quite a lot here on the Maine coast. What doesn't work out for everybody, is buying (for little or no $), these tired boats with the primary intended use as a dwelling.
If you have access to dockage and or shore access, and you know something about being on the water - boats in general, and can take advantage of the savings, great! But not everybody who takes on an old boat as a home, can say that. I think, '4 beds and kitchen', will be a trap for some.
But there's more good than bad in this explosion of cheap boats. An opportunity, if you can make it work. Having seen many millenials grow up, they have the same dreams as any generation.
As someone mentioned, sailing has a ton that is attractive to millenials: A greener recreation(if you want), love of the outdoors, adventure, travel, and for some, affordability.
This photo is my son(24) and daughter(25) sailing off (they didn't start the outboard-natural sailors), our overnight raft up. We're on the family boat, they stayed on the 26'er, we bought for a dollar.
Pearson Commander? If so, good boat.
Just tired enough looking and without much of a following, that it has no value (here) today. There's another similar 25'er in the harbor one of his friend owns. Those two boats take a ton of kids their age sailing
Now that I think of it, 2 other millenials bought a CC 27 and another similar 27' GRP boat(for low $) last season in our harbor, that I know of. I'm sure there are more. These boats are all much older than the kids that own them and getting put to good use.
"The odd thing is that the industry often derides such craft and tries to promote more expensive stuff that very few people buy. The industry keeps saying that the new range of faster craft will save the sport; once it was cats, then high performance windsurfers, then skiffs, then canting keelers, now foilers. All those sorts remain only a small niches. Maybe if the sailing industry just stopped telling people that they should be interested in certain types of craft, and actually respected sailors enough to respect the boats they actually buy, the sport would improve?"
Old boats make no money for the boat market, especially now when you don't need a broker to handle the advertising.
New boats are likely 99% FG/foam composite or plastic, and of course the facts of apartment housing, low wages and casual work mitigate against a recreation like boating.
Then, like everything else, it's probably cheaper for a boat wholesaler to import a rebadged boat from China.
I'm with Tom3, J.Madison, and CemeteryWind. The explosion of affordable boats, and millennial values has led to an uptick and will continue to do so. Like attracts like and it'll be harder for you to notice or find the younger sailors if you're not one. I'd expect it to get bigger year by year, as there are so many older boats set to be released into the market. Probably not such a big market for building new as helping folks fix up old.
Now my generation is rediscovering these lifestyles and skills through youtube, patching the broken link, so to speak. Just in the last few months I've learned how to can/preserve the products of my garden, save seeds for the next year, hew a log into a beam, form a standing seam roof from sheet copper, and splice a rope - all from the internet. These are probably skills my grandparents could have taught me, but I did not learn them growing up.
I don't know how all this could apply to woodenboat, except to say that we are unlikely to pay for subscriptions like Off Center Harbor. Its just a mentality that comes from growing up where everything is open source and available. The Tips from a Shipwright series is quite popular and seems to derive its funding from product sponsors. I would love to see more stuff like that. I've never seen an experienced shipwright working in the real world, but I've apprenticed under all that I can find on the internet. You can truly learn a lot that way.
AsAnd you rarely get what you DON'T pay for.your Granddad probably said, "you get what you pay for."
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Hi! i been brewing my porter for several batches but i feel it needs more maltyness...and i want to boost up the munich malt, here is my malt bill:55% 2 row briess malt25% munich 10L briess malt5% c-40 malt3% c-120 malt8% chocolate malt4% black patent maltIn past batches i used to mash up to 69% of 2 row and 11% of munich, what do you think?... my OG is 1052 and im trying to give a good body mashing at 160F and a good maltyness with that 25% of munich...i ferment at 65 with US05 for a clean flavor. For hops i use magnum at FWH and 60 minutes to achieve 35 IBUSAny comments, tips, changes you would do? thanks!
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When my us and was having his affair, I sought out the comfort of a priest while I was staying with his grandmother. The priest told me that I had better treat my husband well or he really would cheat on me. All I wanted my some comfort with faith, and I received a slap in the face.
Last week, I emailed my priest who baptized Michael to tell him I do not want to validate my vows in the church because Of what he did. Don't worry, my husband already told him what he had done. Anyway, after emailing him my decision, do you know he didn't write back to me?
All I expected was a "I'm so sorry for the pain you've been through and continue to go through. I will pray that God helps you find peace, and if you need anything at all, please let me know."
No, instead I get the feeling that I am being looking down upon because I can't forgive. I am the one in the wrong because I refuse to renew my vows two years after an affair that has altered my life forever. It just doesn't seem fair. It's definitely made me question a lot about the church.... which has always been a really huge part of my life.
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When my us and was having his affair, I sought out the comfort of a priest while I was staying with his grandmother. The priest told me that I had better treat my husband well or he really would cheat on me. All I wanted my some comfort with faith, and I received a slap in the face.
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The other day I was having a lot of visions about the affair. I would picture her and him smiling and laughing and having a great ol time together. The visions were so real that I started having a hard time concentrating on what I needed to do for work.
All of a sudden I realized that this was the time my husband came home off his ship and I discovered the text messages and phone calls to his slut. This was the time two years ago that I started to find out bit by bit he was having an afffair.
Two years later and that time still affects me so much. I can definitely say that I am better than I was a year ago but not completely healed. I don't believe I will ever be healed.
I told my husband and he immediately was uptight. I can tell these things...he wasn't a jerk about it but I could tell he was bracing himself for the attack that he thought was coming.
I didn't attack that time but a couple days later he asked me to go for a run with him and I immediately thought about how he went for a run with her in a beautiful park the day that I caught them at the hotel. The vision of them running, smiling, stopping to kiss and then taking a shower together afterwards just threw me off. He didn't not react well and started saying he didn't do anything....yeah not that minute but he sure as hell did a whole lot two years ago.
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I'm so horrible aren't I? My husband gets baptized, which is supposed to wipe all sin and I can't help but call him a cheater. Once a cheater always a cheater...at least to me I guess.
When my husband got baptized I felt as though he did an awesome thing and I was going to be able to completely forgive and forget. And now I am not anywhere close again.... Ugh infidelity sure does suck.
See when he was baptized the priest started asking for our marriage certificate and my baptismal certificate so we could go ahead with having our marriage blessed in the Catholic church. I am not okay with this...
It's essentially a renewing of the vows and I am not ready for that and I'm not sure if I will ever be ready for it. I don't want to profess my faith to him because I don't think he deserves that. I gave him that once before and he completely screwed it up. I don't want him to make me any promises either because again, he screwed that up.
Honestly, I am okay with how things are right now and I don't want to do anything that might change that, including making some sort of commitment to each other. Heck no.
So anyway, my husband since his baptism has been all holy and is hanging on to believing that now she is erased of his sins. See, I don't know. I feel like he did this because it was like a get out of jail free card. Like if he devotes himself to God then he wont be guilty anymore...
I know my husband deep down inside is a good man but I don't think what he did will ever be erased. I don't believe when someone does something bad that it should ever be erased. I mean he didn't just make some trivial mistake, he .....I don't even know what you call it but it's certainly not just a mistake. Confessing your sins away just doesn't seem right....you should want to follow God because he is awesome not because he is relieving you of a sin.
See even though this was all about him...or it should have been....it's affected me a great deal. I now run from the priest because I don't want to face the fact that I can't forgive him because I know that's a sin but it's one I am holding on to.
Then there's the whole belief in baptism and confession that makes me question my faith because if I don't believe he .relieved of all sin then I dont believe in what he did...what kind of Catholic am I?
It makes me sad...my faith has always been something important to me...it's carried me through the affair and throughout my entire life. When I have felt the lonlinest, my faith was there to comfort.
Now my faith is being tested I guess....of course it has to do with the same man that made me question a lot of other things in my life...
I think I really need to just hold on....I need to weather my storm and get back to my faith....my own faith...the one I have always fell into when life just didn't fleel right.