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It's the one NZ and Pak played, that's what I heard last night. That pitch is a bit less greener and a little better than the one last nights game was played on.Originally Posted by R_D
It's the one NZ and Pak played, that's what I heard last night. That pitch is a bit less greener and a little better than the one last nights game was played on.Originally Posted by R_D
May be not for all matches, but some venues have been pretty full. Mohali and Mumbai spectators get to watch an international game pretty often hence poor attendence there, From what I have read matches in Jaipur have witnessed full house.Originally Posted by marc71178
SriLanka were out before this thread was even created. I dont think the guy predicted any thing in his post.Originally Posted by Perm
i didn't predict anythingOriginally Posted by Sanz
i said that it COULD well happen
ppl knocked me off, but it seems it looks rather realistic
From what I have seen, on TV, any match that did not have India barely got anywhere near 1,000 spectators. And I have seen all group matches so far.Originally Posted by Sanz
Well, I must say I have not watched any match in this series and was going by newspaper reports and I could swear I read it somewhere Malcom Speed saying that Jaipur SL-Pak match was full house. I could definately be wrong though on this one.Originally Posted by Dravid
Yes it seems highly probable that none of the Asian teams will go beyond the league stage. I am not surprised.
so this leads to the question.. will we see pitches like these in indian domestic matches or are these pitches made just for this tournament ?
It'll be nice to have some testing pitches for the domestic batsman so they don't turn upto to international level pretty much playing on batsman friendly pitches all the time and than strugle at international level when there's is one or 2 bowler friendly wicket.
Originally Posted by Sanz
Good observation i must say
I am sure you would want us to believe that it is because India cant play cricket and not because we are meeting one of the best ODI teams ever.Originally Posted by SJS
This thread jinxed it.
This is the first time since 1975 that no sub continental team has made it to the last 4 of a major ODI tournament.
you would've thought it would come in england or australia or something not subcontinental conditions.
Yea Pak-SA game were definatley sub-cont conditionsOriginally Posted by sideshowtim
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Whether it was a foreign country or in his native Palmetto State, John Platt was active in spreading love through the work of God.
Platt, who served 15 years in Lancaster at the Moriah Baptist Association, gave 52 years of his 78 years to serving God and spreading his word, no matter where he was.
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The Lancers, who are in their fourth year of play in National Junior College Athletic Association Region X, are having a landmark campaign.
The Lancers started off strong, winning eight straight games to open the season.
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To turn a tragic event into something positive can be a catharsis. Sharon Furr knows. April 4, 2009, was a tragic day for Furr and her family.
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BUFFALO, N.Y. – On Friday, researchers from The Johns Hopkins University will conduct tests to see how a Southern California earthquake could impact a two-story office building.
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Wesley Sneijder has hailed his new Galatasaray team-mate Didier Drogba as one of the best strikers in the game in the wake of the Ivorian`s move to the club.
Both players sealed transfers to the Turk Telekom Arena earlier this month, and the Dutchman is looking forward to teaming up with the Chelsea legend.
"Drogba is one of the world`s best strikers," he was quoted as saying by Sporx.
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Perhaps if safety Atari Bigby was on the field late in the fourth quarter during Sunday's 16-13 overtime loss to the Baltimore Ravens, he could've been the man who stopped Ray Rice short of that fateful on 4th-and-29 run.
We'll never know. Bigby suffered a groin injury in the first half that was serious enough for the Chargers to place the seven-year veteran on injured reserve Tuesday, ending his season.
Bigby recorded 68 tackles in 11 starts, good enough for second on the team at the time of his injury. The 31-year-old signed a two-year, $2.5-million contract in March.
Bigby was one of three Chargers safeties to go down Sunday. Eric Weddle suffered a concussion and Darrell Stuckey hurt his hamstring. Weddle is expected to be back next Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals. Stuckey's status is unknown.
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If, as now seems likely, last week's terrible events in Mumbai were the work of Islamic terrorists, that's more bad news for India's minority Muslim population. Never mind that the perpetrators were probably funded from outside India, in connection with the ongoing conflict over Kashmir. The attacks will feed a powerful stereotype of the violent and untrustworthy Muslim, bent on religious conquest, who can never be a good democratic citizen. Such stereotypes already shadow the lives of Indian Muslims, who make up 13.5% of the population.
But it's important to consider Indian terrorism in a broader context.
Terrorism in India is by no means peculiar to Muslims. A string of recent incidents has been linked to Islamic groups, most of these with foreign ties and pertaining to Kashmir. However, the most bloody recent example of terrorism in India was the slaughter of as many as 2,000 Muslim civilians by Hindu right-wing mobs in the state of Gujarat over several months in 2002.
This horrendous pogrom was portrayed at the time as retaliation for an alleged Muslim torching of a train car carrying mostly Hindu passengers. Two independent inquiries have since concluded that the fire was, instead, a tragic accident caused by passengers' kerosene stoves.
But even if that was not known at the time, most of those killed -- or raped or beaten -- lived long distances from the original incident and could have had no connection to it. Moreover, there was copious evidence of pre-planning: Hindu right-wing groups had kept lists of Muslim dwellings and businesses.
Evidence that Gujarat's state government egged-on the perpetrators was also overwhelming and led to the U.S. State Department in 2005 denying a visa to Narendra Modi, Gujarat's chief minister. Recently, the Indian investigative journal Tehelka uncovered even more proof of government complicity in the murderous, anti-Muslim attacks. A Tehelka reporter using a hidden camera interviewed participants in the Gujarat violence, who described how bombs were manufactured in factories owned by members of the Hindu right; how arms were smuggled from other states; how the police were instructed to look the other way.
One leader of the Bajrang Dal (a paramilitary Hindu right-wing group) described his own role with pride: "There was this pregnant woman, I slit her open. ...They shouldn't even be allowed to breed. I say that even today. Whoever they are, women, children, whoever, nothing to be done with them but cut them down. Thrash them, slash them, burn the bastards. ... The idea is, don't keep them alive at all; after that, everything is ours."
The revelation that members of the Hindu right have embraced ethno-religious cleansing should amaze nobody. Since the 1930s, their movement has insisted that India is for Hindus, and that both Muslims and Christians are foreigners who should have second-class status in the nation.
This year, in the eastern state of Orissa, members of the Bajrang Dal have murdered scores of Christians who refused to reconvert to Hinduism. (Most Indian Christians are descendants of converts, often from the lowest Hindu castes.) Peaceful villages have been reduced to ashes; a church-run orphanage was torched; dozens of churches have been destroyed; missionaries and priests have been murdered in cold blood. Thousands have been forced to flee their homes, and at least 30,000 are homeless. The rallying cry: "Kill Christians and destroy their institutions."
In August, the Catholic bishops of India closed Catholic schools across the country "as a protest against the atrocities on the Christian community and other innocent people." Such actions, aimed at transforming India's pluralistic democracy into an ethnocentric regime, pose a grave threat to India's future.
All of this is terrorism, but most of it doesn't reach the world's front pages. When it does make it into newspapers outside India, the word "terrorism" is rarely used. The result is a perception, in India and abroad, that Muslims are the bad guys in every incident of terrorist violence.
Such stereotypes are so prevalent that many state bar associations in India refuse to defend Muslims accused of complicity in terrorism -- despite the fact that India's constitution guarantees all accused a cost-free defense.
Meanwhile, Muslim youths are often rounded up on suspicion of terrorism with little or no evidence, an analogue to the current ugly phenomenon of racial profiling in the United States.
Some Muslims are criminals. However, this does not justify demonizing Muslims, any more than the violent acts of the Hindu right justify stereotyping all Hindus as rapists and murderers. Let's go after criminals with determination, good evidence and fair trials, and let's stop targeting people based on their religious affiliation.


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LeTourneau University's Sting" Precision Flight Team placed 15th overall in the nation at the 2014 National Intercollegiate Flight Association SAFECON flight competition hosted by Ohio State, in Columbus, Ohio. Last year, the team placed 13th.
The competition attracted nearly 400 competitors on 30 teams from universities all over the country. LETU placed 13th in Flight Events and 12th in Ground Events.
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This discussion may surprise some of you, people usually put logic and atheism in the same sentence, some people even claim that to be completely rational one has to be an atheist. Today I hope to show you the absurdity of Atheism, not weak atheism, but strong, militant atheism. After reading the 'God Delusion' I thought Dawkins had thrown religion and my beliefs into a garbage bin; I had lost my faith and became what they call a 'skeptic'. However, instead of committing intellectual suicide and becoming an atheist, I was an Agnostic Deist for quite some time; I couldn't rule out God as I had no reason too or empirical evidence to do so.
I somehow or other got my faith back (or more so destroyed my skeptical self and instead of saying, 'I doubt it.' Saying, 'perhaps.') and then it struck me, atheism is some what irrational. There are always reasons why one does or does not believe in something. For example I don't believe in Santa because there is no man on the North pole and it is a fact that Santa was created by Coca Cola. I have reasons not to believe in pokemon, flying tea pots or even a flying spaghetti monster. When I ask an atheist why they do not believe in God, they have no rational reasons to deny His existence none, zero, nada. This is rather odd, many atheists are famous scientists who are used to using empirical evidence and observation their whole lives and yet make the illogical conclusion that God does not exist. Dawkins thought that evolution proved that God was not in existence but was by humans (which is a big assumption). Dawkins has not 'disproven' God, he has dismissed a God some fundamentalists believe in.
A reason for a belief or lack of belief is a necessity for something to hold any weight.
Premise 2 needs to be backed up by something. Think about it for a second, any non belief you have is backed up by reason; you do not believe not believe n Zeus because you do not believe in him, you have some concrete reasons not to believe he exists. Perhaps even the Judeo-Christian God, you have reasons to dismiss. But you can not logically dismiss God. A being who created the universe may exist.
Some people will then try to bring in the flying tea pot argument, 'We can never dismiss that a flying tea pot does not exist, should we believe in it?' When rational people are talking about God they do not give Him any form (They may imagine He has a brown beard and appears somewhat Jewish) but we have no idea the form of God. God and the flying tea pot are not on the same page, one would have to use scientific evidence and observation to see if a flying tea pot exists. One can not see God, therefore we enter the realm of meta-physics. So what are your guys views? I will take back what I said about atheism being irrational if I am proven wrong (note: I am talking about strong atheism, not weak).
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'Try to avoid using the Argument from Authority in any serious conversation, Adam, because it can just as easily work against you. Just as there are plenty of intelligent and otherwise rational people who believe in a deity, so are there plenty of intelligent and rational people who don't.'
Indeed. I do not understand why a belief in a God would gain more credibility if many of the 'greatest minds' were theists. I do not understand why people on this site are so obsessed with this.
'Adam, to illustrate Brian's point, can you name any great thinkers from the last 150 years who were religious? I'll give you a big hint: Don't try the Einstein believed in god argument. He didn't.'
When you say 'great thinkers' what do you mean by that? Do you mean people like Stephen Hawking or do you just mean incredibly intelligent people?
'Why is it that when people are talking about the existence of deities, they always insist going the route of disproving the deities instead of looking for evidence to back it up. For anything else, people will ask for evidence that something is true, but with God, it's always "prove God doesn't exist." Even though I have some proofs and justifications that a God does not exist, burden of proof always lies on the claimant, not the person disbelieving the claim. A lack of evidence for the existence of something gives sufficient justification to say that it doesn't exist.'
I agree. If you were to say 'I believe no gods or God exist.' You do not need evidence or reason to back that up. However, if one was to say 'There are no gods or God; that is a fact.' It needs to be backed by reasons and evidence. I personally do not say there is a God, I believe there is a God, due to the evidence.
'Also, most, if not all, ideas of God define God as some non-physical being. If God is non-physical, then God could not possibly have any observable effect on the universe, as the universe we live in is physical. If it is impossible for God to have any observable effect on the universe, the it can rationally be assumed that God does not exist.'
If God did exist, He would exist in another dimension or reality. Why would it be impossible for Him to have any observable effect? You have to remember, if a God is added, all things are literally possible.
'Based off of what? Yes, it is true that we don't entirely know how the universe came into being, but that does not mean that a conscious being is a possibility for how the universe came into existence. Just because we don't know how something happened does not mean that any idea thrown on the table is a possibility.'
Indeed. I would like to quote Hawking, 'the universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God...' Emphasis on the word may and I agree with him. If new evidence is presented to strengthen the idea that God did not start the universe, I would be more than happy to change my mind and views and become an Agnostic.
'1. Most, if not all conceptions of God define God as some sort of omnipotent being. Any being that is omnipotent would have the capability of knowing everything, so it would also be omniscient. If God exists, his omnipotence would allow him to create some type of event where the outcome of the event is completely unknown. This, however, is impossible because with his omniscience, which is a necessary result of omnipotence, he'd know the outcome anyway. This leads to an absurd conclusion of God both knowing and not know the outcome of the same event simultaneously. It is logically impossible for the scenario A and not A to exist simultaneously, and since the characteristic of omnipotence leads to that kind of contradictions, an omnipotent being cannot exist. Since God is characterized as an omnipotent being, God cannot exist.'
Its like the nature of Christ; how can God be completely human, but completely God? It doesn't make sense. Since Christianity was founded on Jewish logic it does make sense (they were used to paradoxes), rather than being founded on Greek logic.
We have to be careful, when we say God cannot be X and Y at the same time. Look at modern physics. Is light a particle or a wave? Surely it cannot be both! But we finally had to come to terms with it being logically impossible and admitting that light is both.
I do not know all the answers but I believe you are being caught up with arguments which are insignificant, the long age question 'If God is all powerful, can God create a rock that He cannot lift?' This, perhaps, shows the limit of human knowledge understanding the nature of God, but this does not prove that God does not exist or that He does.
First off, PROOF IS THE BURDEN OF THE BELIEVERS, NOT THE OPPOSITION (In this case, us Atheists.)
You haven't proven Atheism irrational. You know you haven't. You have given your opinion that Atheism goes against an emotionally driven choice to ignore strong probability.
You have not provided one single thread of logic in your explanation here. Why not? You're the one talking about what is irrational. "Therefore, God is not real." does not need to be backed up by us. It needs to be proven wrong by you. You're the believer. It sounds to me like you read a portion of Dawkins' "The God Delusion", got your feelings hurt and thought you'd try to rationalize with Atheists who have you far out-studied my friend. There is no more or less evidence to prove Zues' existence than there is for God. Hell, God isn't even a name... You people just didn't have anyone creative enough to give your lie it's own unique title. Actually, the whole story of (your) God and Jesus are recycled from older religious stories before the bible and what you claim was "the time of your lord and savior, Jesus Christ." Don't come here challenging our well educated logic if you have no logic to bring to the table of your own. (Note: It just makes you look like a weak christian, not strong.)
Adam, the belief in the god you seem to be referring to is Jehovah aka Yahweh, the mountain god of the Israelites, right? Islam would say this is the same dude Al'lah, they worship but the evidence in the Qu'ran does not support this. I thus assume that Al'lah and Yahweh are two different gods. Regardless whether my assumption is right or wrong, the belief in these gods stems from the Torah or Qu'ran and subsequently Christianity in all its forms and interpretations stems from the NT. I became an atheist after studying all these documents plus many others over a period of some ten-twenty years because without exception they are replete with contradictions, false predictions, poor historicity, non sequiturs, etc and were clearly the works of man, not as they state, inspired by their tribal deity. Now my logic tells me that when evidence is laid before me that is fundamentally flawed, I must question that evidence and if my objections are not satisfied, reject it outright. So where does that leave me? I either invent another god and call him Peter Pan or conclude that all the gods ever contrived by man were mere legends, folklore and myths. This explains Zeus, Pan, Ra etc.
Man has a need to invent these gods and will continue doing so until he realizes that he is his own god, a result of a magical process called evolution.
I did not use specious arguments to become an atheist or see science as the explanation why there is no god (science does not pretend to do so in any case). In fact it is an indictment against religionists to juxtapose science with religion. They are mutually exclusive and function in totally different universes. The scientific method seeks answers to man's dilemmas; religion has the answers and asks you to "have faith" to just believe"; in other words do not think! To me this is an abomination and strikes right to the heart of the Original Sin. During my search I debated and tested my interpretations with theologians, priests and believers in general, but I was invariably confronted by a lack of logic and reason and a call for me to have faith: then they would insist on praying for my non-existent soul.
You seems to have a questioning/skeptic mind. Go back to the basics of your belief in the god of your choice and search the evidence in the scriptures as they stand and look critically at the origins of the Bible, who wrote it, when, how it was translated, reinterpreted etc etc. and I'm quite convinced that the blindness of faith will fall from your eyes like orange peels (to freely misquote a bible verse) and you will be liberated as true atheists are.
Let's put this to you as a challenge of logic: On what LOGIC do YOU base your belief?
The distinction between strong atheism and weak atheism is more nuanced than you understand. You should read this article by Austin Cline http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/strong_weak.htm
Weak atheism is simply lack of belief in god or gods. As Cline notes, strong atheism adds a knowledge claim:
Strong atheism is sometimes called "gnostic atheism" because people who take this position often incorporate knowledge claims into it — that is to say, they claim to know in some fashion that certain gods or indeed all gods do not or cannot exist.
(my emphasis)
Cline is correct to modify "to know" with "in some fashion." Knowledge is rarely (if ever) absolute. And, knowledge is always based, to varying degrees on evidence. And the nature of the knowledge claim determines the nature of the evidence required to support it.
Here is an example:
As I sit here typing I s
mell chocolate (I wish!). I think to myself, "someone is baking brownies." Can I say that I "know" someone is baking brownies? Well, I have a pretty good sense of smell, I know chocolate when I smell it and I have baked brownies in the past, I know what baking brownies smell like. So, sure, it would be quite reasonable and rational for me to say "I know someone is baking brownies." But it could be that someone is baking a chocolate cake. So the safer knowledge claim is "I know someone is baking something chocolate." Then again, I might be experiencing an olfactory hallucination. So the safest knowledge claim is "I know I smell chocolate." I could continue parsing this example further. But the idea here is that all knowledge claims are based on evidence. And we evaluate the knowledge claim by looking at the evidence and asking: is it reasonsable/rational to make this knowledge claim based on this evidence?
Here is another example:
In law school I learned about the standards of evidence required in U.S. judicial proceedings.
In a criminal case the "knowledge claim" made by the prosecution is that defendant X is guilty. To convict X the evidence must show that the is guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt." Does this mean that we know absolutely that X is guilty? No and that is not the standard anyway. We know enough. And that is why we can deprive the defendant of his liberty and still sleep peacefully at night.
In civil cases the "knowledge claim" is that Y was negligent in repairing my furnace, it blew up and Y owes $40,000 in damages. Here the plaintiff needs to show only that the "preponderance of the evidence" proves that Y is responsible for the damages. Again, we don't know absolutely but we know enough to deprive Y of $40,000 in good conscience.
I am a strong atheist. My "knowledge claim" is that no god or gods exist. And I base my claim on the lack of any credible evidence to support the opposing "knowledge claim," that is, that god or gods exist. Just as I would if I were sitting on a criminal jury and made the "knowledge claim" that the defendant is innocent because the evidence does not show his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Can I logically dismiss the possibility that the defendant is guilty. No. But I must evaluate the prosecution's "knowledge claim" based on the evidence they present. Just as I must evaluate theists claims based on the evidence they present. Nothing in the least bit irrational about that.
Wave–particle duality postulates that all matter exhibits
both wave and particle properties.
A central concept of quantum
mechanics, this duality addresses the inability of classical
concepts like "particle" and "wave" to fully describe the
behavior of quantum-scale objects. So not God is a quantum scale object -
a puny being to worship!
I used quantum mechanics as an example, I did not say that God is like quantum mechanics. I said our
logic can not always explain what we see and what is in the universe. Haldane
said, 'My own suspicion is that
the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose'
The logic we use was created over 2000 years ago and does not always explain
what we see. If logic can not explain quantum mechanics, then surely our logic
has a place where it stops, when we start to ask questions about God.
I do not pretend to know all the questions about God, I am ready to admit that I do have a level of ignorance.
Then why the Freaking bother - if the overwhelming evidence is against the existence of God then go with the evidence.
What do you mean? I have been doing some research and did you know about 40% of
scientists believe in a personal God? That statistic does not bring into the
equation of a Deistic God. So where is this 'overwhelming evidence'?
I was challenged before that no serious scientists believe in a God, yet 40% do and I bet some of them are much more intelligent anyone on this forum.
I think one needs to come to terms with, there is no such thing as absolutes. This 'overwhelming evidence' you talk about is
subjective, many intelligent people agree with you and and many disagree with
'I've noticed that people like to throw out the word dimension, but usually misuse
it. A dimension really only deals with the minimum amount of coordinates to
define an object. If there is another reality besides the one that we know,
fine, but in order to make the assertion that God would exist in another
reality, one must demonstrate that another reality besides our own exists and
how it is possible for a being from another reality to access our reality.'
Lets forget about the word 'dimension' and use the word 'reality' instead. I do not know all the answers but we
ourselves can manipulate a virtual reality any time we want. I own a play
station 3 and I am a big fan of the series 'Assassins Creed' It is a non
linear, free world, game. Even though I do not exist in the virtual world of
the game, I can still manipulate it and affect the people in the game. This is
perhaps the best example I have of how God could
perhaps manipulate our own reality.
Wave particle duality is not a logical paradox and even if it was, it is not comparable to logical paradoxes involving knowledge.
It's impossible to both consciously know and not know the exact same bit of
information at the same time.
Would you call a computer who could process/be (Im not sure what it is) 0 and 1 at the same time illogical? Futuristic quantum computers can do that.
Did you know in quantum mechanics X can appear in 2 different places at the same time! That is logically impossible, you cannot be in the two different
places at the same time, yet quantum mechanics is making the impossible
I couldn't find a good explanation of how Hebrew block logic works, but if it allows blatant contradictions
Here is a good example. Sex for Jews could be a good thing, but could be a bad thing.
Christians under the influence of Greek logic considered sex to be a bad thing altogether.
In Hebrew block logic X can by X and Y without any illogical consistencies. In Greek
logic X can only be X. Many of the great disputes in the Christian church were
over trying to understand Hebrew mythology with Greek logic; it does not work!
Actually, the whole story of (your) God and Jesus are recycled from older religious
stories before the bible and what you claim was "the time of your lord and
savior, Jesus Christ."
Really? I am sorry to say but this is completely wrong. People have tried to say, 'Look at the similarities between
Jesus and Horus!' Egyptologists do not buy this theory at all, these sought of
ideas are copying and pasted straight from some other ignorant atheist/theist who
do not understand ancient religions, or how they operated. I would advise you
read a great book by John H. Walton 'Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old
Testament' It will open your eyes to how different and similar
Judaism to the surrounding religions.
I became an atheist after studying all these documents plus many others
over a period of some ten-twenty years because without exception they are
replete with contradictions, false predictions, poor historicity,
non sequiturs, etc and were clearly the works of man, not as they state,
inspired by their tribal deity.
I am sorry to say, like you, I was conditioned to accept sola scriptura, that the Bible had
no errors and it was the complete word of God. I find this idea 'cute' and has
no practical credibility.
David, the great poet, stole some of his poems/Psalms from other religions praising their
God, instead of YWH. We have to be honest with ourselves, instead of trying to delude
ourselves and become Biblical Maxmillist. The Bible was written by people,
perhaps God inspire Isaiah to go to the king naked, perhaps Samuel was inspired
by God to kill an evil king. The Bible was written in their time and context to
expect it to be 100% scientific, historical and accurate is foolish.
I think if we look at the larger picture, it all makes sense; that God will one day restore His people, that is what the Bible is pretty much about.
This explains Zeus, Pan, Ra etc.
This does not explain the need for a creator, which a lot of scientists believe in.
You seems to have a questioning/skeptic mind. Go back to the basics of your belief
in the god of your choice and search the evidence in the scriptures
as they stand and look critically at the origins of the Bible, who wrote it,
when, how it was translated, reinterpreted etc etc. and I'm quite
convinced that the blindness of faith will fall from your eyes like orange
peels (to freely misquote a bible verse) and you will be liberated as true
atheists are.
Thankyou, however I can not be an atheist, I believe in a God, which is somewhat portrayed
in the Bible. When I was skeptic I used to question did X really exist, just
because the Bible said they existed; we have no evidence that Abraham, Joseph
or Moses existed, so I went to an old testament scholar and he asked 'How do
you know that Abraham did not exist?' My skepitiscm of characters in the Bible
went away pretty much instantly. I believe a man by the name of Samson existed.
Do I think that future generations exaggerated the truth? Very much so.
Why be an atheist, why not a Deist? I personally am a Deist in Theist clothing (I believe that Jesus rose from the dead and that
He will take us one day to our new home). But I do not believe in a devil or
that prayer really does anything etc. I am going to write a paper this year on 'The
Deistic God of the Bible' God sometimes does not make appearances for decades
even centuries! So it will be interesting to see what my conclusion is, after I
have finished it.
The distinction between strong atheism and weak atheism is more nuanced than you understand. You should read this article by Austin Cline
Thankyou, I should of had better definitions.
I am a strong atheist. My "knowledge claim" is
that no god or gods exist. And I base my claim on the
lack of any credible evidence to support the opposing "knowledge
claim," that is, that god or gods exist.
Interesting. So you believe that no God or gods exist? Or you know for a fact that no God or gods exist?
You see in a court case the jury do not know
if a person is guilty or innocent. I famous case is the Lindy Chamberlin
case, where she was accused of killing her own baby, but she didn't. The Jury
still said she was guilty though, so they didn't know she was guilty, they
believed she was guilty, which is a big difference. Well, I personally, believe
that there is a God and I do believe there is evidence to support that
contention. But evidence is subjective and can be interpreted different by each
You need to re-read what I wrote about knowledge and evidence. I tried to make the point that there is no such think as absolute knowledge, maybe I should have said that more strongly. I gave 3 examples to illustrate what I was trying to say, including 2 regarding standards of evidence in legal cases. You are of the opinion that some atheists (strong atheists) are irrational. I tried to give my examples so that you'd understand that there are different degrees of knowledge and varying degrees of evidence needed to support that knowledge. I maintain that if evidence can support the knowledge claim then it is not irrational to make that knowledge claim.
I disagree with you that evidence is subjective, evidence is objective. But yes, it can be interpreted differently by different people. For example, I interpret the fact that so many children suffer horribly in this world to negate the existence of god (or at least a god that is loving and worthy of worship). And, I feel comfortable saying that in light of this fact, I "know" there is no god. Others interpret the fact differently - some religious people, for example, believe that the god in which they believe has his reasons that we human can't understand. But, do you think that my interpretation is irrational?
But really I want to make the point that it is not irrational in the least to say that one knows god or gods don't exist. (In some ways it is semantics anyway people use "to know" and "to believe" interchangeably even if that isn't the most artful usage.) Because no one knows anything "for a fact" I am not sure what that even means. If it means that one has access to all possible facts/evidence that could ever be imagined to support or negate a knowledge claim than okay then, if that is what is required to make a knowledge claim then anyone, ever making any kind of knowledge claim would be, from your point of view irrational.
If that is the standard, how would one go about gathering enough evidence to meet your standard? Let's forget about god for a minute and take unicorns. I feel quite comfortable saying that I know unicorns don't exist, I'd even say I know for a fact they don't exist. Is it irrational for me to make this claim? If you say it isn't I need to tell you that I have never even considered any evidence, never researched unicorns at all to support my lack of belief in unicorns!!
Therefore your interpretation of the Gospels is correct:
Thus Jesus existed, was crucified and arose to rise to heaven.
So much for rationality and logic.
I kind of see where you're coming from, however I have to disagree with your idea. (your initial statement, that is). First, when you ask an Atheist why they don't believe in God, most of the time the Atheist has MANY reasons as to why they do not believe in the idea that a God (as described in the Bible, Qur'an) could exist. THERE IS AN INSURMOUNTABLE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE.
1)It was impossible for Jesus to walk on water, unless the Laws of Physics were somehow changed for that instant of time
2) Moses couldn't have parted the Red Sea just by what you call "faith" and "belief", since these ideas in their own right are irrational experiences that are completely based on the subjective experiences of each observer. you remember Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? Well, the same ideas can be extrapolated to multi-atom objects. just by our own observations of "God's Divinity" or whatever have you, one cannot logically claim that, because they have "experienced" God, that God exists UBIQUITOUSLY. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle states that one cannot know both the Velocity and Position vectors of a particle simultaneously; so just by observing a particle (ie, shining light on something to find out its position), you influence that particle and change your subjective reality (by shining the light, you change velocity by slowing the particle down, by pinpointing velocity, you do not know where the position of the particle lies).
So let's extrapolate this one step further. If God came to you (hypothetically speaking, of course) and you experienced the "brilliance of the Gospels through Him", you still have ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF PROVING "HE" EXISTS. Just because you have claimed to have seen or heard something, we cannot believe it until sufficient evidence concludes that God in fact exists in reality. Your own observations influence whether or not God may or may not exist in your mind, so you cannot demonstrate whether "He" exists. Your own subjective experiences are completely unique to your mind... so, in effect, you may be perceiving something in YOUR MIND that may not actually exist. what is this? It's a psychological disorder, known as DELUSIONAL PERSONALITY DISORDER.
As far as I am concerned, however, I tend to think of God in the following way: God exists and does not exist at the same time. My reasoning for this involves the Schrödinger's Cat Paradox. Look it up on Wikipedia.
*I would like to add, that, in my reference to God in the final paragraph, I am IN NO WAY referring to the humanistic, primitive "God" of the Qur'an, Old and New Testaments, and other religious texts. I am referring to some type of "thing" (use your imagination) that is completely out of our realm of understanding. there are many things we don't understand in the universe (some may call it the multi-verse), however there is no excuse for deference to ignorant religious beliefs that have ABSOLUTELY NO GROUNDING IN LOGIC AND PHYSICS and abstractions so unintelligible that, in the past 300 years, "scholars" of religion have had to continuously redefine what "faith", "belief", "God", and other terms in light of Science's continuous push towards understanding. religion, not the idea of something we don't understand, is obsolete then.


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Green Hope and East Chapel Hill both got what they needed, if not what they wanted, from Thursday's non-conference tennis match.
Green Hope, No. 3 in the N.C. High School Tennis Coaches Associations 4A rankings, got the top competition it craved after feasting on lighter-weight teams and finishing undefeated in the Southwest Wake Athletics Conference. East Chapel Hill, No. 2 in the NCHSTA 4A poll, got a 5-4 victory over a talented team, boosting the confidence of the freshman-replete Wildcats as they prepared for their conference tournament next week.
The Wildcats' win was the eighth straight for East (18-1, 10-0 PAC-6) since a 7-2 loss to No.1-ranked Wakefield.
"We need to play some better matches," Green Hope coach Kevin Taylor said. "That's why we're here today. We need to play tougher teams to be match ready for the tournaments."
Green Hope has been snake-bit when it comes to scheduling tougher opponents this season. A match against reigning state champion Millbrook was rained out. When the Falcons faced Middle Creek in a conference match, the Mustangs' Nick Stachowiak, the defending state 4A champion, wasn't available to play Green Hope's then-undefeated Ben Wayand because of back problems.
Wayand, a freshman who was home-schooled until January, was an unexpected and welcome addition to a Green Hope program that lost six seniors off a last year's SWAC champions, Taylor said.
"Most people would call this a rebuilding year," Taylor said.
But before Thursday, the Falcons (14-2, 11-0 SWAC) had lost only to 3A No. 1 Cardinals Gibbons. Wayand (11-1) suffered his only loss of the season in that match, losing to North Carolina signee Robert Kelly.
At East Chapel Hill, Wayand's match at No. 1 singles with Max Smith started in warm afternoon sunshine and was finished under the lights with a third-set tiebreaker at chilly Wildcat Tennis Stadium.
Wayand lost the first set badly, at one point tossing his racquet and declaring "This is the worst you've ever played in your life," but regained his composure quickly. Smith fought off four match points before Wayand prevailed 2-6, 7-6, 15-13.
Green Hope's Louis Ricco won 6-4, 6-3 at No. 2 against Jack Devonport and Ashwin Iyer defeated East's Robert Bond 5-7, 6-0, 10-4 to help send the match into doubles.
East Chapel Hill had gotten of to a great start as freshman Nicholas Rennie swept sophomore Eshaam Javalkar 6-1, 6-1.
Kevin Huang and Priyan DeSilva, two of East's three starting freshmen, won their singles matches at No. 3 and No. 4, respectively, to put the Wildcat up 3-0 in the team score.
After Rennie and Devonport blanked Rohitr Ghotkar and Javalkar, 8-0, Huang and DeSilva clinched the team match with their 8-4 win at No. 2 doubles. Wayand and Ricco won at No. 1 doubles after East clinched the team win.
"This was an important win for us," DeSilva said. "It served as a good wakeup call."
"It tells us that we need to pick it up some as we prepare for the post-season," Huang said.
The match was the last of the regular season for Green Hope, which heads into the SWAC tournament Monday and Tuesday. East Chapel Hill will try to squeeze in one last match before Wednesday's PAC-6 tournament. The Wildcats will play Monday, hoping to finish a home match with Durham Academy that was tied 3-3 last Monday before rain halted play.
Chapel Hill takes down No. 1 Carrboro
The formula was the same but the result was different Thursday as Chapel Hill avenged an earlier loss at Carrboro with a 5-4 defeat of the Jaguars.
As in their meeting in Mid-March, when both were undefeated, the teams split the singles 3-3. Chapel Hill then clinched the team victory with doubles wins by Chris Chang-Bryan Zhang and Jared Weber-Ryan Bradley.
Chang and Bradley won their singles in straight sets at No. 1 and 3, respectively, while Chapel Hill teammate Lucas Prata survived a third-set tiebreaker to defeat Tarek Zikrey, 6-4, 3-6 (10-7).
Brian Freiburghouse and Jason Wyckoff likewise needed third set tiebreakers to win their singles for Carrboro, while Aaron Hiller won in straight sets to help force the match into doubles.


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DENVER -- Phillies closer Jonathan Papelbon's first regular-season glimpse of Coors Field came in June 2010.
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DENVER -- Phillies closer Jonathan Papelbon's first regular-season glimpse of Coors Field came in June 2010.
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"To be honest," he said Sunday, "I couldn't tell you one thing about that appearance. And a couple days from now, I won't be able to tell you one thing about [Sunday's] appearance."
It's all about survival as a big league closer.
Memory loss is vital.
Papelbon could enjoy his ninth-inning shutdown of the Rockies on Sunday, earning the save in the Phillies' 10-9 victory against the Rockies. Philadelphia avoided the sweep with the win.
It wasn't necessarily easy, but Papelbon did earn the 291st save of his career, his third at Coors Field.
And he was able to smile when he was reminded of those original nights at Coors Field back in 2010, which he has been able to conveniently block from his memory.
Called on in the ninth inning to protect a 6-5 lead on June 23, 2010, he was greeted by a game-tying home run from Ian Stewart, and a single by Clint Barmes. After Ryan Spilborghs sacrificed Barmes to second, Jason Giambi unloaded a walk-off home run.
Papelbon faced four batters, threw eight pitches, gave up three runs, had a blown save and a loss.
"I can't even tell you who I faced," said Papelbon.
The next day he got the call in the ninth again, this time with an 11-9 lead to protect. Four batters later he had a blown save. After a strikeout of Jonathan Herrera, Todd Helton and Carlos Gonzalez singled, putting runners on first and third. Gonzalez stole second, and Brad Hawpe delivered a game-tying single.
At that point, Papelbon's Coors Field existence considered of eight batters over two games, four singles, two home runs, two blown saves and a loss.
He retired the next two Rockies batters in the ninth. The Red Sox scored in the top of the 10th. Papelbon put the Rockies down in order in the bottom of the 10th.
That was the start of a stretch that has now seen him retire 17 of the last 20 Rockies hitters he has faced at Coors Field, earning saves with the Phillies in 2012, last year and Sunday, in addition to the win with the Red Sox in 2010.
"I did?" said Papelbon.
Yes, he did.
That's the beauty of a guy who makes his life in the ninth inning.
"The biggest thing I ever learned was my first All-Star Game, talking to Mariano Rivera," said Papelbon. "I asked him, `If there's one piece of advice you could give me, what would it be?'
"He said, `Pap, no memory.' I'm thinking, `What does he mean, no memory?' I put two and two together. Good or bad, you have no memory. You have to treat every game as the only game."
So he took the mound on Sunday, oblivious to his Coors Field past. He was greeted by a Nolan Arenado single and sacrifice bunt by Josh Rutledge before hitting Jordan Pacheco with a pitch. That put the tying run on second and the winning run on first with one out.
"The only thing on your mind in that situation is you need to get two outs," he said.
And he did. Pinch-hitter Wilin Rosario popped up and Charlie Blackmon hit a chopper that third baseman Freddy Galvis cut across the infield to glove, then threw to first on the run, and John Mayberry Jr. picked the one-hop throw for the game-ending play.
After the umpires consulted a replay to confirm Mayberry made a clean pick, it was official. Victory Phillies. Save Papelbon.
An exciting moment to reflect upon in light of those early days at Coors Field?
"No memory," Papelbon said with a smile.
Papelbon may be able to block bad times, as well as good, out, but he admits, having spent the first seven years of his big league career pitching for the Boston Red Sox before signing a free-agent contract with Philadelphia Phillies prior to the 2012 season, there are plenty of folks in both cities who haven't forgotten any misstep.
The Phillies opened this season at Texas. In Papelbon's second appearance of the season he blew a save in the series finale. Six days later the Phillies hosted Milwaukee in their home opener.
"I was the only Phillies player who got booed on Opening Day," he said. "To be honest, I enjoy it. I kind of relish it. There is a sick side to me.
"Guess I'm a sicko."
It comes with the territory of making a living pitching the ninth inning in the big leagues.
Tracy Ringolsby is a columnist for MLB.com.


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