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Brand Names: Diane 35
Generic Name: Cyproterone Acetate, Ethinylestradiol
Manufacturer: Schering
1 tablet contains:
Cyproterone Acetate 2.000 mg
Ethinylestradiol Tablets 0.035 mg
The substance cyproterone acetate contained in Diane 35 inhibits the influence of androgens produced by the female system. It is thus possible to treat diseases caused by either an increased production of androgens or a particular sensitivity to these hormones.
While Diane 35 is being taken, the increased sebaceous gland function, which plays an important role in the development of acne and seborrhea, is reduced. This leads - usually after 3 to 4 months of therapy - to the healing of existing acne efflorescences. The excessive greasiness of the hair and skin generally disappears earlier. The loss of hair which frequently accompanies seborrhoea likewise diminishes.
Treatment with Diane 35 is indicated in women of child-bearing age who exhibit mild forms of hirsutism, and in particular in slightly increased facial hair; results do not, however, become apparent until after several months of use.
Apart from the described antiandrogen effect, cyproterone acetate has also a pronounced progestational action. The sole administration of cyproterone acetate would thus lead to cycle disturbances which are avoided by its combination with ethinylestradiol in Diane 35. This holds true as long as the preparation is taken cyclically according to the instructions.
The contraceptive effect of Diane 35 is based on the interaction of various factors, the most important of which are seen as the inhibition of ovulation and the changes in the cervical secretion. As well as protection against pregnancy, estrogen/progestogen combinations have several positive properties which, next to the negative properties, can be useful in deciding on the method of birth control. The cycle is more regular and the menstruation is often less painful and bleeding is lighter. The latter may result in a decrease in the occurrence of iron deficiency.
Apart from this, with the higher-dosed combined oral contraceptives (COCs) containing 50 mcg ethinylestradiol, there is evidence of a reduced risk of fibrocystic tumors of the breasts, ovarian cysts, pelvic inflammatory disease, ectopic pregnancy and endometrial and ovarian cancer. This may also apply to lower-dosed COCs.
Following oral administration cyproterone acetate is completely absorbed in a wide dose range. The ingestion of Diane 35 effects a maximum serum level of 15 ng cyproterone acetate/ml at 1.6 hours. Thereafter, drug serum levels decrease in two disposition phases characterized by half-lives of 0.8 hours and 2.3 days. The total clearance of cyproterone acetate from serum was determined to 3.6 ml/min/kg. Cyproterone acetate is metabolized by various pathways including hydroxylations and conjugations. The main metabolite in human plasma is the 15ß-hydroxy derivative.
Some dose parts are excreted unchanged with bile fluid. Most of the dose is excreted in form of metabolites at a urinary to biliary ratio of 3:7. The renal and biliary excretion was determined to proceed with a half-life of 1.9 days. Metabolites from plasma were eliminated at a similar rate (half-life of 1.7 days).
Cyproterone acetate is almost exclusively bound to plasma albumins. About 3.5 - 4.0 % of total drug levels are present unbound. Because protein binding is non-specific, changes in SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) levels do not affect the pharmacokinetics of cyproterone acetate.
Due to the long half-life of the terminal disposition phase from plasma (serum) and the daily intake, cyproterone acetate accumulates during one treatment cycle. Mean maximum drug serum levels increased from 15 ng/ml (day 1) to 21 ng/ml and 24 ng/ml, at the end of treatment cycles 1 and 3, respectively. The area under the concentration versus time profile increased 2.2 fold (end of cycle 1) and 2.4 fold (end of cycle 3). Steady-state conditions were reached after about 10 days. During long-term treatment cyproterone acetate accumulates over treatment cycles by a factor of 2.
The absolute bioavailability of cyproterone acetate is almost complete (88 % of dose). The relative bioavailability of cyproterone acetate from Diane 35 was 109 % when compared to an aqueous microcrystalline suspension.
Orally administered ethinylestradiol is rapidly and completely absorbed. Following ingestion of Diane 35, maximum drug serum levels of about 80 pg/ml are reached at 1.7 hours. Thereafter, ethinylestradiol plasma levels decrease in two phases characterized by half-lives of 1 - 2 hours and about 20 hours. For analytical reasons these parameters can only be calculated for higher dosages.
For ethinylestradiol an apparent volume of distribution of about 5 l/kg and a metabolic clearance rate from plasma of about 5 ml/min/kg were determined.
Ethinylestradiol is highly but non-specifically bound to serum albumin. 2% of drug levels are at present unbound. During absorption and first-liver passage ethinylestradiol is metabolized resulting in a reduced absolute and variable oral bioavailability. Unchanged drug is not excreted. Ethinylestradiol metabolites are excreted at a urinary to biliary ratio of 4:6 with a half-life of about one day.
Due to the half-life of the terminal disposition phase from plasma and the daily ingestion, steady-state plasma levels are reached after 3 - 4 days and are higher by 30 - 40 % as compared to a single dose. The relative bioavailability (reference: aqueous microcrystalline suspension) of ethinylestradiol from Diane 35 was almost complete.
The systemic availability of ethinylestradiol might be influenced in both directions by other drugs. There is, however, no interaction with high doses of vitamin C. Ethinylestradiol induces the hepatic synthesis of SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) and CBG (corticoid binding globulin) during continuous use. The extent of SHBG induction, however, is dependent upon the chemical structure and dose of the coadministered progestin. During treatment with Diane 35 SHBG concentrations in serum increased from about 100 nmol/l to 300 nmol/l and the serum concentrations of CBG increased from about 50 mcg/ml to 95 mcg/ml.
For the treatment of androgen-dependent diseases in women, such as acne, especially pronounced forms and those which are accompanied by seborrhea or by inflammation or formation of nodes (acne papulopustulosa, acne nodulocystica), androgenetic alopecia and mild forms of hirsutism. Diane 35 is also indicated for oral contraception in women with androgen-dependent diseases and for the treatment of polycystic ovary syndrome.
Dosage and Administration
Diane 35 is to be taken regularly in order to achieve the therapeutic efficacy and the required contraceptive protection. The dose regimen of Diane 35 and Diane 35 ED is similar to the usual regimen of most of the combined oral contraceptives. Thus, the same administration rules must be considered.
The irregular intake of Diane 35 or Diane 35 ED can lead to intermenstrual bleedings and could deteriorate the therapeutic and contraceptive reliability.
How to take Diane 35
Tablets must be taken in the order directed on the package every day at about the same time with some liquid as needed. One active tablet is to be taken daily for 21 consecutive days. Each subsequent pack is started after a 7-day tablet-free interval or 7 day period of placebo tablets, during which time a withdrawal bleed usually occurs. This usually starts on day 2-3 after the last tablet and may not have finished before the next pack is started.
How to start Diane 35
No preceding hormonal contraceptive use (in the past month)
Tablet-taking has to start on day 1 of the woman's natural cycle (i.e. the first day of her menstrual bleeding). Starting on days 2-5 is allowed, but during the first cycle a barrier method is recommended in addition for the first 7 days of tablet-taking.
Changing from another combined oral contraceptive (COC)
The woman should start with Diane 35 preferably on the day after the last active tablet of her previous COC, but at the latest on the day following the usual tablet-free or placebo tablet interval of her previous COC.
Changing from a progestogen-only-method (minipill, injection, implant)
The woman may switch any day from the minipill (from an implant on the day of its removal, from an injectable when the next injection would be due), but should in all of these cases be advised to additionally use a barrier method for the first 7 days of tablet-taking.
Following first-trimester abortion
The woman may start immediately. When doing so, she need not take additional contraceptive measures.
Following delivery or second-trimester abortion
Women should be advised to start at day 21 to 28 after delivery or second-trimester abortion.
When starting later, the woman should be advised to additionally use a barrier method for the first 7 days of tablet-taking. However, if intercourse has already occurred, pregnancy should be excluded before the actual start of Diane 35 use or the woman has to wait for her first menstrual period.
How to take Diane 35 ED
Tablets must be taken in the order directed on the package every day at about the same time with some liquid as needed. One tablet is to be taken daily. Each subsequent pack is started immediately following the previous pack. While taking the 7 placebo tablets a withdrawal bleed usually occurs.
How to start Diane 35 ED
No preceding hormonal contraceptive use (in the past month)
Tablet-taking has to start on day 1 of the woman's natural cycle (i.e. the first day of her menstrual bleeding). The first tablet should be selected from the red starting section of the pack. An additional method of contraception such as condoms or a diaphragm must be used for the first 14 days of tablet taking.
Changing from another combined oral contraceptive (COC)
The woman should start Diane 35 ED in the red section on the day after the last active tablet of her previous COC.
The woman may switch any day from the minipill (from an implant on the day of its removal, from an injectable when the next injection would be due), but should in all of these cases be advised to additionally use a barrier method for the first 14 days of tablet-taking.
Following first-trimester abortion
The woman may start immediately. When doing so, she need not take additional contraceptive measures.
When starting later, the woman should be advised to additionally use a barrier method for the first 14 days of tablet taking. However, if intercourse has already occurred, pregnancy should be excluded before the actual start of Diane 35ED use or the woman has to wait for her first menstrual period.
Management of missed tablets
Errors in taking the non-hormonal tablets contained in Diane 35ED can be ignored.
If the user is less than 12 hours late in taking any hormonal tablet, contraceptive protection is not reduced. The woman should take the tablet as soon as she remembers and should take further tablets at the usual time.
If she is more than 12 hours late in taking any hormonal tablet, contraceptive protection may be reduced.
There is a particularly high risk of pregnancy if tablets are missed at the beginning or end of the pack. If tablets are missed in the first week of taking hormonal tablets and intercourse took place in the preceding 7 days the possibility of pregnancy should be considered.
The management of missed tablets can be guided by the following two basic rules:
Tablet taking must never be discontinued for longer than 7 days
7 days of uninterrupted tablet taking are required to attain adequate suppression of the hypothalamic-pituitary-ovarian axis.
These rules form the basis of the instructions to patients provided in the package insert.
Extra Contraceptive precautions
When you need extra contraceptive precautions, either:
Do not use the rhythm or temperature methods as extra contraceptive precautions. This is because oral contraceptives alter the usual menstrual cycle changes such as changes in temperature and cervical mucus.
The 7 day rule
Continue taking your pills. You will not be protected from pregnancy until you have taken your daily small hormone pill for the next 7 days in a row. Use another method of contraception (extra contraceptive precautions) such as condoms or do not have sexual intercourse for the next 7 days while taking the next 7 small hormone pills.
If there are fewer than 7 small hormone pills left in the pack, finish the small hormone pills and go straight on to the small hormone pills of the next pack. This means that you do not leave a gap between the small hormone pills and you miss out the large non-hormonal pills if you have the 28-day pack. You may not have a period until the end of the next pack. This is not harmful.
Advice in case of vomiting
If vomiting occurs within 3-4 hours after tablet taking, absorption may not be complete. If the woman does not want to change her normal tablet-taking schedule, she has to take the extra tablet(s) needed from another pack.
How to shift periods or how to delay a period
To delay a period the woman should continue with hormonal tablets from another pack of Diane 35 or Diane 35 ED without a tablet-free interval or the non-hormonal tablets. The extension can be carried on for as long as desired until the end of the second pack. During the extension the woman may experience breakthrough bleeding or spotting.
To shift her periods to another day of the week than the woman is used to with her current scheme, she can be advised to shorten her forthcoming tablet-free interval or omit the non-hormonal tablets in Diane 35ED by as many days as she likes. The shorter the interval, the higher the risk that she does not have a withdrawal bleed and will experience breakthrough-bleeding and spotting during the second pack (just as when delaying a period).
Length of use
The length of use depends on the severity of the clinical picture; in general, treatment should be carried out over several months.
It is recommended to take Diane 35 or Diane 35ED for at least another 3 to 4 cycles after the signs have subsided. Should there be a recurrence weeks or months after discontinuation of tablet-taking, treatment with Diane 35 may be resumed. A longer period of treatment may be recommended for the polycystic ovary syndrome.
Preparations containing oestrogen/progestogen combinations should not be used in the presence of any of the conditions listed below. Should any of the conditions appear for the first time during their use, the product should be stopped immediately.
Diane 35 is not for use in men.
Warnings and Precautions
The clinical and epidemiological experience with estrogen/progestogen combinations like Diane 35 is predominantly based on combined oral contraceptives (COC). Therefore, the following warnings related to the use of COC apply also for Diane 35.
If any of the conditions/risk factors mentioned below is present, the benefits of the use of Diane 35 should be weighed against the possible risks for each individual woman and discussed with the woman before she decides to start using it. In the event of aggravation, exacerbation or first appearance of any of these conditions or risk factors, the woman should contact her physician. The physician should then decide on whether its use should be discontinued.
Circulatory Disorders
Epidemiological studies have suggested an association between the use of COCs and an increased risk of arterial and venous thrombotic and thromboembolic diseases such as myocardial infarction, stroke, deep venous thrombosis, and pulmonary embolism. These events occur rarely.
Venous thromboembolism (VTE), manifesting as deep venous thrombosis and/or pulmonary embolism, may occur during the use of all COCs. The approximate incidence of VTE in users of low estrogen dose (< 50 mcg EE) OCs is up to 4 per 10 000 woman years compared to 0.5-3 per 10 000 woman years in non-OC users. However, the incidence of VTE occurring during COC use is substantially less than the incidence associated with pregnancy (i.e. 6 per 10 000 pregnant woman years).
Extremely rarely, thrombosis has been reported to occur in other blood vessels, e.g. hepatic, mesenteric, renal or retinal veins and arteries, in COC users. There is no consensus as to whether the occurrence of these events is associated with the use of COCs.
Symptoms of venous or arterial thrombosis can include: unilateral leg pain and/ or swelling; sudden severe pain in the chest, whether or not it radiates to the left arm; sudden breathlessness; sudden onset of coughing; any unusual, severe, prolonged headache; sudden partial or complete loss of vision; diplopia; slurred speech or aphasia; vertigo; collapse with or without focal seizure; weakness or very marked numbness suddenly affecting one side or one part of the body; motor disturbances; "acute" abdomen.
The risk of thromboembolism (venous and/or arterial) increases with:
smoking (with heavier smoking and increasing age the risk further increases, especially in women over 35 years of age)
a positive family history (i.e. venous or arterial thromboembolism ever in a sibling or parent at a relatively early age). If a hereditary predisposition is suspected, the woman should be referred to a specialist for advice before deciding about any COC use.
obesity (body mass index over 30 kg/ m2²)
valvular heart disease
atrial fibrillation
prolonged immobilization, major surgery, any surgery to the legs, or major trauma. In these situations it is advisable to discontinue COC use (in the case of elective surgery at least four weeks in advance) and not to resume until two weeks after complete demobilization.
There is no consensus about the possible role of varicose veins and superficial thrombophlebitis in venous thromboembolism.
The increased risk of thromboembolism in the puerperium must be considered.
Other medical conditions which have been associated with adverse circulatory events include diabetes mellitus, systemic lupus erythematosus, haemolytic uraemic syndrome, chronic inflammatory bowel disease (Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis) and sickle cell disease.
An increase in frequency or severity of migraine during COC use (which may be prodromal of a cerebrovascular event) may be a reason for immediate discontinuation of the COC.
Biochemical factors that may be indicative of hereditary or acquired predisposition for venous or arterial thrombosis include Activated Protein C (APC) resistance, hyperhomocysteinaemia, antithrombin-III deficiency, protein C deficiency, protein S deficiency, antiphospholipid antibodies (anticardiolipin antibodies, lupus anticoagulant).
When considering risk/benefit, the physician should take into account that adequate treatment of a condition may reduce the associated risk of thrombosis and that the risk associated with pregnancy is higher than that associated with COC use.
An increased risk of cervical cancer in long-term users of COCs has been reported in some epidemiological studies, but there continues to be controversy about the extent to which this finding is attributable to the confounding effects of sexual behaviour and other factors such as human papilloma virus (HPV).
A meta-analysis from 54 epidemiological studies reported that there is a slightly increased relative risk (RR = 1.24) of having breast cancer diagnosed in women who are currently using COCs. The excess risk gradually disappears during the course of the 10 years after cessation of COC use. Because breast cancer is rare in women under 40 years of age, the excess number of breast cancer diagnoses in current and recent COC users is small in relation to the overall risk of breast cancer. These studies do not provide evidence for causation. The observed pattern of increased risk may be due to an earlier diagnosis of breast cancer in COC users, the biological effects of COCs or a combination of both. The breast cancers diagnosed in ever-users tend to be less advanced clinically than the cancers diagnosed in never-users.
In rare cases, benign, and even more rarely, malignant liver tumours have been reported in users of COCs. In isolated cases, these tumours have led to life-threatening intra-abdominal haemorrhages. A hepatic tumour should be considered in the differential diagnosis when severe upper abdominal pain, liver enlargement or signs of intra-abdominal haemorrhage occur in women taking COCs.
Other conditions
Women with hypertriglyceridemia, or a family history thereof, may be at an increased risk of pancreatitis when using COCs.
Although small increases in blood pressure have been reported in many women taking COCs, clinically relevant increases are rare. A relationship between COC use and clinical hypertension has not been established. However, if a sustained clinically significant hypertension develops during the use of a COC then it is prudent for the physician to withdraw the COC and treat the hypertension. Where considered appropriate, COC use may be resumed if normotensive values can be achieved with antihypertensive therapy.
The following conditions have been reported to occur or deteriorate with both pregnancy and COC use, but the evidence of an association with COC use is inconclusive: jaundice and/or pruritus related to cholestasis; gallstone formation; porphyria; systemic lupus erythematosus; haemolytic uraemic syndrome; Sydenham's chorea; herpes gestationis; otosclerosis-related hearing loss.
Acute or chronic disturbances of liver function may necessitate the discontinuation of COC use until markers of liver function return to normal. Recurrence of cholestatic jaundice which occurred first during pregnancy or previous use of sex steroids necessitates the discontinuation of COCs.
Although COCs may have an effect on peripheral insulin resistance and glucose tolerance, there is no evidence for a need to alter the therapeutic regimen in diabetics using COCs. However, diabetic women should be carefully observed while taking COCs.
Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis have been associated with COC use.
Chloasma may occasionally occur, especially in women with a history of chloasma gravidarum. Women with a tendency to chloasma should avoid exposure to the sun or ultraviolet radiation whilst taking COCs.
If in women suffering from hirsutism, symptoms have recently developed or increased substantially, the causes (androgen-producing tumor, adrenal enzyme defect) must be clarified by differential diagnosis.
Medical examination/consultation
A complete medical history and physical examination should be taken prior to the initiation or reinstitution Diane 35, guided by the contraindications and warnings. This should be repeated at least annually during the use of Diane 35. Periodic medical assessment is also of importance because contraindications (e.g. a transient ischaemic attack, etc.) or risk factors (e.g. a family history of venous or arterial thrombosis) may appear for the first time during the use of Diane 35. The frequency and nature of these assessments should be adapted to the individual woman but should generally include special reference to blood pressure, breasts, abdomen and pelvic organs, including cervical cytology, and relevant laboratory tests.
Women should be advised that preparations like Diane 35 do not protect against HIV infections (AIDS) and other sexually transmissible diseases.
Reduced efficacy
The efficacy of Diane 35 may be reduced in the event of missed tablets, vomiting or concomitant medication.
Reduced cycle control
With estrogen/progestogen combinations, irregular bleeding (spotting or breakthrough bleeding) may occur, especially during the first months of use. Therefore, the evaluation of any irregular bleeding is only meaningful after an adaptation interval of about three cycles.
If bleeding irregularities persist or occur after previously regular cycles, then non-hormonal causes should be considered and adequate diagnostic measures are indicated to exclude malignancy or pregnancy. These may include curettage.
In some women withdrawal bleeding may not occur during the tablet-free interval. If the COC has been taken according to the suggested directions, it is unlikely that the woman is pregnant. However, if the COC has not been taken according to these directions prior to the first missed withdrawal bleed or if two withdrawal bleeds are missed, pregnancy must be ruled out before COC use is continued.
Pregnancy and lactation
Use in Pregnancy
The administration of Diane 35 is contraindicated during pregnancy.
If pregnancy occurs during medication with Diane 35, the preparation is to be withdrawn immediately.
Use in Lactation
The administration of Diane 35 is also contraindicated during lactation. Cyproterone acetate is transferred into the milk of lactating women. About 0.2% of the maternal dose will reach the newborn via milk corresponding to a dose of about 1 mcg/kg. During established lactation 0.02 % of the daily maternal dose of ethinylestradiol could be transferred to the newborn via milk.
Effects on ability to drive and use machines
No observed effects.
Preclinical safety data
Systemic toxicity
In animal-experimental systemic tolerance studies following repeated oral administration no signs of systemic intolerance were observed which might be prohibitive for the use in humans at the dose required for the given indications.
No animal-experimental studies into a possible sensitizing effect of ethinylestradiol and cyproterone acetate have been carried out.
Investigations into embryotoxic or teratogenic effects using the combination of the two active ingredients showed no effects indicative of a general teratogenic effect following treatment during organogenesis before development of the external genital organs. Administration of cyproterone acetate during the hormone-sensitive ifferentiation phase of the genital organs (after approx. day 45 of pregnancy) could lead to signs of feminization in male foetuses following higher doses. Observation of male newborn children who had been exposed in utero to cyproterone acetate did not show any signs of feminization. However, pregnancy is a contraindication for the use of Diane 35.
Genotoxicity and carcinogenicity
Recognized first-line tests of genotoxicity gave negative results when conducted with cyproterone acetate. However, further tests showed that cyproterone acetate was capable of producing adducts with DNA (and an increase in DNA repair activity) in liver cells from rats and monkeys and also in freshly isolated human hepatocytes, whereas no DNA adducts could be detected in dog liver cells.
This DNA-adduct formation occurred at exposures that might be expected to occur in the recommended dose regimens for cyproterone acetate. In vivo consequences of cyproterone acetate treatment were the increased incidence of focal, possibly pre-neoplastic, liver lesions in which cellular enzymes were altered in female rats and an increase of mutation frequency in transgenic rats carrying a bacterial gene as target for mutation.
Clinical experience and well conducted epidemiological trials to date would not support an increased incidence of hepatic tumors in man. Nor did investigations into the tumorigenicity of cyproterone acetate in rodents reveal any indication of a specific tumorigenic potential. However, it must be borne in mind that sexual steroids can promote the growth of certain hormone-dependent tissues and tumors.
On the whole, the available findings do not raise any objection to the use of Diane 35 in humans if used in accordance with the directions for the given indication and at the recommended dose.
Adverse Effects
Serious undesirable effects of Diane 35 have been referred to in the contraindications and warnings and precautions sections.
The following undesirable effects have been reported in users of Diane 35 and the association has been neither confirmed nor refuted:
Drug interactions which result in an increased clearance of sex hormones can lead to breakthrough bleeding and oral contraceptive failure. This has been established with hydantoins, barbiturates, primidone, carbamazepine and rifampicin; oxcarbamazepine, topiramate, felbamate and griseofulvin are also suspected. The mechanism of this interaction appears to be based on the hepatic enzyme-inducing properties of these drugs. Maximal enzyme induction is generally not seen for 2-3 weeks but may then be sustained for at least 4 weeks after the cessation of drug therapy.
Contraceptive failures have also been reported with antibiotics, such as ampicillins and tetracyclines. The mechanism of this effect has not been elucidated.
Women on short-term treatment with any of the above-mentioned classes of drugs or individual drugs should temporarily use a barrier method in addition to the Diane 35, i.e. during the time of concomitant drug administration and for 7 days after their discontinuation. For women on rifampicin, a barrier method should be used in addition to the Diane 35 during the time of rifampicin administration and for 28 days after its discontinuation. If concomitant drug administration runs beyond the end of the tablets in the Diane 35 pack, the next Diane 35 pack should be started without the usual tablet-free interval.
In women on long-term treatment with hepatic enzyme-inducing drugs, experts have recommended to increase the contraceptive steroid doses. If a high contraceptive dosage is not desirable or appears to be unsatisfactory or unreliable, e.g. in the case of irregular bleeding, another method of contraception should be advised.
Laboratory tests
The use of preparations like Diane 35 may influence the results of certain laboratory tests, including biochemical parameters of liver, thyroid, adrenal and renal function, plasma levels of (carrier) proteins, e.g. corticosteroid binding globulin and lipid/lipoprotein fractions, parameters of carbohydrate metabolism and parameters of coagulation and fibrinolysis. Changes generally remain within the normal laboratory range.
There have been no reports of serious deleterious effects from overdose.
Symptoms that may occur in this case are nausea, vomiting and, in young girls, slight vaginal bleeding.
There are no antidotes and further treatment should be symptomatic.
Pharmaceutical Precautions
Shelf life: 5 years
Special precautions for storage: Store below 25°C
Package Quantities
3 calendar-packs containing 21 or 28 tablets.
Diane 35 tablets are contained in blister packs consisting of deep-drawn strips made of polyvinyl chloride film with counter sealing foil made of aluminum with heat sealable coating.
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water bill woes continue. help needed. really really needed.
In other words, Peel is saying that we used almost two years' worth of water in a three-month period.
We have been fighting this for months, without success, and Peel is now threatening to shut off our water.
Here's what we've done so far:
1. Paid a portion of the bill equivalent to the high end of a normal bill
2. Spoken to our landlord, who was shocked. He's never seen anything like this.
3. Spoken endlessly to a manager at Region of Peel.
4. Had Peel Water inspectors come to the house - twice. Once they obsessed over one toilet, the second time they obsessed over the second one. First they said the toilet chain was 1/8-inch too long. Then they said it was 1/8-inch too short.
However, the toilet is not running and has never been running. We have not changed anything on the toilet at all, and our water bills have returned to normal. In addition, the water inspector told us that there's no way these toilet-chain lengths could have caused this problem. Unfortunately, she said this verbally and did not put that statement in writing.
5. Spoke to our City Councillor's office - twice. They called Peel and had our case bumped up to a manager, so we don't have to go through customer service each time. They said there's nothing else they can do.
6. Called the City Manager of Mississauga's office. They also offered to call Peel on our behalf, but only to see if there's someone else there we can deal with. They made it clear they can't fix the problem.
7. Called the Ontario Ombudsman's office. They are a great agency that gets results, but unfortunately, this falls outside their jurisdiction.
8. Called Mississauga Legal Aid. They said they don't handle things like this, and suggested we call Peel's legal department. Allan did that... and they referred it to the same manager we've been speaking with.
We did not have the meter checked. As the Ontario Ombudsman suggested, having the meter checked can only determine if it is working properly at the time it is checked. We already know the meter is working properly right now, because we've received a normal bill subsequent to the abnormal one. But the meter working properly today does not mean it was working properly in July, August and September of 2010.
In addition, Peel can't tell us when during the three-month period this two-years' worth of water was supposedly used. Did it happen in a day? A week? A month? Was it during the week, when one of us is home every day? Did it occur on a Saturday, when we work 12 hour shifts, then somehow repair itself before we got home? We don't know.
Allan's been handling the lion's share of this effort, but now we are both out of ideas. We don't have $500 to give to the Region of Peel for services we didn't use, but Peel will use hold us hostage for the payment by cutting off our water.
All ideas welcome.
20 comments:
- AtB B and B said...
Hi L & A-
Sorry to hear that this is still dragging on. About all I can suggest is to see if there is a Consumer Advocate columnist in some paper to look into matters. Since everyone is passing the buck, maybe a little public exposure/embarrassment could get some results?
- Monday, March 07, 2011 12:08:00 PM
- laura k said...
Hi E&K :)
I agree, it's time to get media involved. I hope someone will be interested without an actual water shut-off. That would be sexier for a column or TV story but not very good on our end.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 12:10:00 PM
- laura k said...
6. Called the City Manager of Mississauga's office. They also offered to call Peel on our behalf, but only to see if there's someone else there we can deal with.
Manager of billing department! That's not going to help.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 12:55:00 PM
- Amy said...
I don't know anything about how these things work in Canada, but is there something like an attorney general's office which handles consumer complaints? I assume you have checked so probably a silly question. Are there any consumer protection statutes that prevent cutting off essential services without a full hearing? Do you know any lawyers up there who handle consumer issues?
- Monday, March 07, 2011 1:44:00 PM
Try contacting Allan Thompson http://www.peelregion.ca/council/councill/thompson.htm and Ron star's http://www.peelregion.ca/council/councill/starr.htm office. They are the chair and vice chair for public works. See if they can look into the issue for you. That would be my suggestion.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 2:05:00 PM
- laura k said...
@Amy, we haven't checked on statutes re due process on cutting off our water. Obviously we have to learn about that but haven't yet.
Haven't checked on solicitor general's office - I'm not sure what that could do. Tell me more?
We've asked a lawyer-friend for advice, she spoke to another lawyer-friend who knows more about municipal matters. He suggested paying the bill, then going to small claims court to recover the amount. Seems kind of dicey to me.
I do think we need legal representation - that's why we called legal aid - but so far we're just in the advice gathering stage.
@CHL, thank you very much for those names. Our own city councillor did diddly-squat - or actually, his assistant did that - he personally did nothing. Perhaps these city councillors can offer something.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 2:16:00 PM
- laura k said...
And thank you, Amy.
(posted too soon)
- Monday, March 07, 2011 2:16:00 PM
- Amy said...
I am not sure what your solicitor general's office does, but in MA, the attorney general's office has a consumer complaints division that handles complaints such as this. I wish I knew how to research Canadian law. If I can figure it out, I will see what I can find.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 2:20:00 PM
- laura k said...
Amy, that's great. We'll look into it. Thanks again.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 2:30:00 PM
- laura k said...
I found the Office of Consumer Affairs, part of Industry Canada. It seems an unlikely, but who knows.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 2:32:00 PM
- johngoldfine said...
One possible plus of going public is that you might flush out (sorry) some similar stories from other unhappy water users. Peel may be sitting on a clear pattern of identical problems but stonewalling each one as a sui generis deal.
- Monday, March 07, 2011 3:38:00 PM
- Amy said...
I am afraid my ignorance of the Canadian legal system makes it very difficult to try and research the question of what rights you may have to challenge your bill and stop the utility from cutting off your service during that challenge. Sorry...I think you need a Canadian lawyer!
- Monday, March 07, 2011 3:42:00 PM
- laura k said...
@JohnGoldfine, that's what we're thinking, too. I haven't seen anything online about it, but that doesn't mean it's not out there.
@Amy, yes, I agree. Allan's going to talk to someone where he works, maybe they can give us some advice.
I'm also going to pursue Cool Hand Luke's suggestion, and see what the Consumer Affairs office has to offer.
This has been simmering on the back burner for a while, but now we need a rolling boil!
- Monday, March 07, 2011 4:25:00 PM
- geek guy said...
you may want to try this
also see what they say if you refuse/dispute that one bad bill
only do that if you have pad all the others!!..
I would get your meter inspected
may be useful in a legal case!!
- Monday, March 07, 2011 10:48:00 PM
- laura k said...
We have paid all our other bills on time and fully. That doesn't matter, unfortunately.
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
- Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:03:00 AM
- richard said...
Water Bill Mystery Solved
(Funny but not really helpful!)
- Monday, March 14, 2011 8:38:00 AM
- laura k said...
Let me guess... cat flushing toilet?
- Monday, March 14, 2011 8:42:00 AM
- richard said...
Good guess, Laura.
I guess I just don't spend much time on youtube. Stuff like this still seems novel to me. Thats a good thing, right? :-)
Seriously, I can't imagine how frustrating/infuriating your problem must be. Hope it gets resolved soon.
The solution might be to move to a really small town like the one in which I live. Here the water meter guy is also a guy you see everyday at the post office, the grocery store or the PAC meeting. Problems like this tend to be more quickly solved when you're more than just an account number.
- Monday, March 14, 2011 9:22:00 AM
- laura k said...
Heh, thanks. Seems like a good solution - moving! :)
I'm usually the last to see YouTube phenom, but many readers sent me this one!
- Monday, March 14, 2011 9:54:00 AM
- Sherry Elizabeth said...
I lnow
This is an old post but thought id take a shot.
Im going through the same thing. What was thw outcome?
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A sign is posted near the beach where a shark attack took place near Vandenberg Air Force Base on Tuesday.
Updated at 10:04 p.m. ET: A 39-year-old man surfing off Surf Beach near Lompoc was pronounced dead Tuesday after he was pulled from the water after an apparent shark attack.
The victim was identified as Francisco Javier Solorio Jr., 39, of nearby Orcutt.
A friend pulled Solorio onto the sand and started CPR while another surfer called 911. Solorio was pronounced dead at the beach, which is about 60 miles northwest of Santa Barbara on Vandenberg Air Force Base.
He was "bitten by the shark in the upper torso area," according to the initial investigation by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department.
Solorio was not affiliated with the military base, according to a press release from Vandenberg.
Solorio's fatal injury appeared to be a shark bite, and his surf board had "visible signs of bite marks," according to Lt. Erik Raney of the sheriff's department's Santa Maria station.
The sheriff's department did not have details regarding the type of shark involved in the attack but had contacted an expert to confirm the injury, the Vandenberg release stated.
The Vandenberg Air Force Base Fire Department responded to the 911 call at about 11 a.m. Three other males were at the beach at the time of the attack, the sheriff's department said.
It's been two years since a fatal shark attack at Surf Beach. In October 2010, a 19-year-old college student was killed in a shark attack off Surf Beach. Lucas Ransom was bodyboarding when he disappeared under the water about 100 yards off shore.
In 2008, a shark bit a surfer's board in the waters off the beach, one of three on the Air Force base.
Surf Beach was closed until further notice Tuesday and base officials were asking the public to avoid the area "due to safety considerations."
"We've had shark sightings up and down the Santa Barbara coastline pretty frequently recently," Raney told the Associated Press.


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I never mentioned bunching...Nobody said they all had to be on the SAME bus...and since the light is SO different I expect they are NOT.
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The Grand Palace has an area of 218,400 sq. metres and is surrounded by walls built in 1782. The length of the four walls is 1,900 metres. Within these walls are situated government offices and the Chapel Royal of the Emerald Buddha besides the royal residences.
In the clip of Jeremy and Sandy. If you look closely at the scene where the women is asking the man in the red car for directions. I think that is one of the twins and not Sandy. One of them is also wearing yellow. Also the small glimpse of her face shows that its a twin. Anyone else notice this? It looks like they spliced the two together.
It was a pretty weird leg, it felt like all the control the racers had was put into the hands of their rides. I'd also would have liked to see what happened during the bus rides that screwed up the order so nicely.Not sure if it's mentioned here but Ernie and Cindy originally were underpaying their cab by about $50, $150 USD roughly converts to 4,500 Baht. So much for all the insults...
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It must be noted here that the Hanuman might not be worshiped on Tuesday in all regions. Some communities might be worshiping some other deity. For example, in South India the day is dedicated to Skanda or Muruga or Kartikeya (Kartik). But generally Tuesday is dedicated to Hanuman.
Mangalvar Vrat is observed by those couples who wish to have a son. Other benefits include happiness in the family. People who believe in astrology observe fast to alleviate the harmful effects associated with the planet mangal or mars.
Those who undertake the fast on Tuesdays only take a single meal. It is a whole day fast. The single meal on the day is usually any food made of wheat and jaggery. Most people observe the fast for 21 Tuesdays without a break.
People wear red colored clothes on the day and offer red flowers to Lord Hanuman.
It is believed that Lord Hanuman will help his devotees in overcoming difficulties in life especially those that arises from the activities of Mangal graha.


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NewsForge: Hot LyX
Dave Fancella tried the document processor LyX and writes his findings: "A common problem with word processors today is that they force users to deal with typesetting, a skill that is about as useful to a writer as metalworking is to a mechanic. This focus on typesetting means that writers have to spend too much time dealing with the way their documents look. To make matters worse, many documents are shared in a variety of different formats requiring additional time wasted in export, conversion, and quality control on the finished product. To help get around these obstacles, Linux users can turn to a document processor called LyX. LyX is optimized for writing and takes the chores of typesetting out of the writer's hands and places them in a competent professional: LaTeX."
Cool app but
Well LyX is a cool app, not for me though.
By John LaTeX Freak at Sat, 2004/09/25 - 5:00am
This must be joke.
I thought dot.kde.org is my kde news source. What does lyx doing here?
I've tried it. It merge the problems of latex and common word processor and gives nothing positive.
By arael at Sat, 2004/09/25 - 5:00am
Re: This must be joke.
It has a Qt frontend.
By Anonymous at Sat, 2004/09/25 - 5:00am
Re: This must be joke.
While i might agree that it doesn't necessarily fit on a KDE site, I have to say that I have found LyX to be an excellent program. Of course, I wouldn't recommend it to someone as a replacement for a word processor, but as a replacement for straight LaTex (which is heavily used within the scientific writing community) it has been fantastic.
By David at Sat, 2004/09/25 - 5:00am
Re: This must be joke.
I don't know that this is the reason, but Matthias Ettrich was the original author of LyX.
If you don't know who Matthias Ettrich is, may God have mercy on your soul.
Also, there's a Qt frontend. I've often wondered what happened to the KDE frontend, though I suspect it disappeared when the GNU/Zealots were hammering away at the QPL.
By regeya at Sat, 2004/09/25 - 5:00am
Re: This must be joke.
Now I know him :). I'm not very interested in names anyway, but he deserves respect.
Qt frontend... I see.
Thanks. (May the God have mercy on my soul) :
By arael at Sat, 2004/09/25 - 5:00am
Re: This must be joke.
The original KDE frontend KLyX, was more accurately a fork for KDE. Don't think it was ever ported back into the main LyX tree, and I think it pretty much died when LyX evolved.
The next KDE frontend was started when the LyX team started to make LyX GUI independent, but unfortunately this also died. One of the reason I will guess, the manpower was better used to finish the Qt frontend. And since qt now can use the KStyles it looks better on the desktop. I think the code are in cvs still.
A KDE frontend had been nice tho, with KIO and KDE sessionmanagment. Probably better to base it on the Qt frontend rather than bringing the old KDE code up to speed.
By Morty at Sun, 2004/09/26 - 5:00am
Re: This must be joke.
> A KDE frontend had been nice tho, with KIO and KDE sessionmanagment.
Correct, so where are the volunteers? :-)
By Anonymous at Sun, 2004/09/26 - 5:00am
LyX QT frontend
I use LyX for most of my professional work today. LyX is not perfect but it is a very reliable application with a large community of users ready to help. A KDE frontend would be very nice. At least, correcting the clipboard code in LyX so that it conforms to the freedesktop standard would be nice and make it function with Klipper. The LyX development team is looking for a QT specialist to help them enhance the very primitive LyX clipboard.
By Charles de Miramon at Mon, 2004/09/27 - 5:00am
Re: This must be joke.
LyX has a quality that I have yet to see in Word or Kword: stability and perfect crash recovery (for when Xwindow crashes and takes everything with it, cause LyX itself does not crash).
This is a really good point when writing a 150 pages thesis.
LyX is a great app. One of the real "killer app" out there.
By oliv at Tue, 2004/09/28 - 5:00am
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After ten years of latex, lyx was a great improvement, the more so that one can add latex code any time. It really cuts down typing in things like tables and graphics.
It is a killer app but very few know about it. Thats a shame. I think high school students would benefit from it.
The indexing is very much less work and the references, along with tkbibtek, are a breeze.
Hard to know what more one would want from a free program. Pdflatex works outstandingly and the new windows version seems to work reliably.
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|Our dearly departed Kim Jong-nam (source)
Saturday, February 18, 2017
Kim Jong-nam Assassinated
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Wasn't he actually killed on Monday morning, the 13th, but it was only reported in the news on Tuesday evening?ReplyDelete
Simple answer: Besides the threat to Kim Jong-un, Kim Jong-un has NO MALE HEIRS. The succession is also Kim Jong-un's problem.ReplyDelete
And in historical hereditary monarchies, once the direct descent dies childless, the throne passes to the siblings, & in extreme cases like in Britain, to a far relative...
"At first, she insisted that she wasPak Chui Hui, an orphan from northern China who had met an elderly Japanese man with whom she was traveling. She denied any sexual involvement with her partner Kim Seung Il. "ReplyDelete
Taken from wikipedia. IS there an error somewhere?
When they saw through the Japanese ruse she switched to pretending to be Chinese. North Koreans often look more like people from NE China than to Southerners. My own wife is often taken for Chinese by actual Chinese.ReplyDelete
I read some reports which suggested that as well as being a wastrel, Kim Jong-Nam was making good money through involvements in smuggling things into North Korea, and that too was considered a threat, because some smugglers have good connections to the NK elites. I guess the thinking was that the longer and more detailed KJN's connections to this group became, the more likely it was that they would be willing to put him up as a figurehead in the wake of a coup.ReplyDelete
The probe night not succeed as Malaysia's a very corrupt country. They've(Najib and company) been taking money from China to manipulate the politics in their country, I won't be surprised if North Korea succeeds in bribing them to ease some of the accusations.ReplyDeleteReplies
Also Malaysia' super lax security definitely affected the location for killing KJN. In many countries, if someone suddenly collapses or someone were to try and suffocate another person, the airport security personnel would respond very quickly in case of an attack by terrorists. They would also have countermeasures available. But look, Kim Jong Nam had to walk himself to seek help. Even then, they didn't lock down the airport immediately.Delete
I don't agree that the killing was amateurish. Yes he was killed in public during light of day but blood isn't on any DPRK hands. Does anyone know if the inadvertent assassins had direct contact with North Koreans or was their another layer between the agents and perpetrators? I assume not considering the Malaysians have named specific North Korean suspects. Admittedly killing him in his bed with less flagrant means (VX=state, no?) would have created more uncertainty but don't underestimate the value of a grain of deniability, even if transparent. Master assassins no but amateurish?ReplyDelete


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Last year, Cato adjunct scholar (and George Mason law professor) Ilya Somin and I engaged in the inaugural "Battle of the Ilyas." Tired of being confused for one another – how many D.C. libertarian legal scholars named Ilya S. can there be? – we accepted Josh Blackman's invitation to compete in a trivia contest whose prize was the exclusive use of the Ilya name. I won, but my one-year reign expired last week, so it was time for a rematch.
There were two components to this year's competition, a written quiz based on Judge Danny Boggs's famed clerkship applicant quiz – worth 75% – and an oral speed round – worth 25%. (Boggs is a friend of Cato, having given a B. Kenneth Simon Memorial Lecture and contributed to our Supreme Court Review.) Somin and I completed the written portion right before Thanksgiving and held the oral part during a conference call with Josh last night. To listen to how it all went down, including the announcement of the overall winner, read and listen here. And if you're dying to know without going through all that, see below.
I beat Somin 15-10 in the oral round (3 questions correct to 2), which, when added to my 58-53 lead after the written round, gave me a decisive 73-63 victory. As I said in the podcast, "it's good to be king [of the Ilyas]."


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"What you got there, then?"
The boy didn't hear the question. He stood at the end of a ruined pier, believing himself quite alone. But now he registered the presence at his back, and turned.
"What you got there?"
A very old person, a woman, stood before him, gripping the narrow shoulder of a girl child. Both of them local, typically stunted, dim: they stared up at him stupidly. The boy turned again to the sea. All week long he had been hoping for a clear day to try out the new technology—not new to the world, but new to the boy—and now at last here was a break in the rain. Gray sky met gray sea. Not ideal, but sufficient. Ideally he would be standing on a cairn in Scotland or some other tropical spot, experiencing backlit clarity. Ideally he would be—
"Is it one of them what you see through?"
A hand, lousy with blue veins, reached out for the light encircling the boy's head, as if it were a substantial thing, to be grasped like the handle of a mug.
"Ooh, look at the green, Aggie. That shows you it's on."
The boy was ready to play. He touched the node on his finger to the node at his temple, raising the volume.
"Course, he'd have to be somebody, Aggs, cos they don't give 'em to nobody"—the boy felt the shocking touch of a hand on his own flesh. "Are you somebody, then?"
She had shuffled around until she stood square in front of him, unavoidable. Hair as white as paper. A long, shapeless black dress, made of some kind of cloth, and what appeared to be a pair of actual glasses. Forty-nine years old, type O, a likelihood of ovarian cancer, some ancient debt infraction—nothing more. A blank, more or less. Same went for the girl: never left the country, eighty-five-per-cent chance of macular degeneration, an uncle on the database, long ago located, eliminated. She would be nine in two days. Melinda Durham and Agatha Hanwell. They shared no more DNA than strangers.
"Can you see us?" The old woman let go of her charge and waved her hands wildly. The tips of her fingers barely reached the top of the boy's head. "Are we in it? What are we?"
The boy, unused to proximity, took a single step forward. Farther he could not go. Beyond was the ocean; above, a mess of weather, clouds closing in on blue wherever blue tried to assert itself. A dozen or so craft darted up and down, diving low like seabirds after a fish, and no bigger than seabirds, skimming the dirty foam, then returning to the heavens, directed by unseen hands. On his first day here the boy had trailed his father on an inspection tour to meet those hands: intent young men at their monitors, over whose shoulders the boy's father leaned, as he sometimes leaned over the boy to insure he ate breakfast.
"What d'you call one of them there?"
The boy tucked his shirt in all round: "AG 12."
The old woman snorted as a mark of satisfaction, but did not leave.
He tried looking the females directly in their dull brown eyes. It was what his mother would have done, a kindly woman with a great mass of waist-length flame-colored hair, famed for her patience with locals. But his mother was long dead, he had never known her, he was losing what little light the day afforded. He blinked twice, said, "Hand to hand." Then, having a change of heart: "Weaponry." He looked down at his torso, to which he now attached a quantity of guns.
"You carry on, lad," the old woman said. "We won't get in your way. He can see it all, duck," she told the girl, who paid her no mind. "Got something in his hands—or thinks he does."
She took a packet of tobacco from a deep pocket in the front of her garment and began to roll a cigarette, using the girl as a shield from the wind.
"Them clouds, dark as bulls. Racing, racing. They always win." To illustrate, she tried turning Aggie's eyes to the sky, lifting the child's chin with a finger, but the girl would only gawk stubbornly at the woman's elbow. "They'll dump on us before we even get there. If you didn't have to, I wouldn't go, Aggie, no chance, not in this. It's for you I do it. I've been wet and wet and wet. All my life. And I bet he's looking at blazing suns and people in their what-have-yous and all-togethers! Int yer? Course you are! And who'd blame you?" She laughed so loud the boy heard her. And then the child—who did not laugh, whose pale face, with its triangle chin and enormous, fair-lashed eyes, seemed capable only of astonishment—pulled at his actual leg, forcing him to mute for a moment and listen to her question.
"Well, I'm Bill Peek," he replied, and felt very silly, like somebody in an old movie.
"Bill Peek!" the old woman cried. "Oh, but we've had Peeks in Anglia a long time. You'll find a Peek or two or three down in Sutton Hoo. Bill Peek! You from round here, Bill Peek?"
His grandparents? Very possibly. Local and English—or his great-grandparents. His hair and eyes and skin and name suggested it. But it was not a topic likely to engage his father, and the boy himself had never felt any need or desire to pursue it. He was simply global, accompanying his father on his inspections, though usually to livelier spots than this. What a sodden dump it was! Just as everyone had warned him it would be. The only people left in England were the ones who couldn't leave.
"From round here, are you? Or maybe a Norfolk one? He looks like a Norfolk one, Aggs, wouldn't you say?"
Bill Peek raised his eyes to the encampment on the hill, pretending to follow with great interest those dozen circling, diving craft, as if he, uniquely, as the child of personnel, had nothing to fear from them. But the woman was occupied with her fag and the girl only sang "Bill Peek, Bill Peek, Bill Peek" to herself, and smiled sadly at her own turned-in feet. They were too local even to understand the implied threat. He jumped off the pier onto the deserted beach. It was low tide—it seemed you could walk to Holland. He focussed upon the thousands of tiny spirals on the sand, like miniature turds stretching out to the horizon.
Felixstowe, England. A Norman village; later, briefly, a resort, made popular by the German royal family; much fishing, once upon a time. A hundred years earlier, almost to the very month, a quaint flood had killed only forty-eight people. Over the years, the place had been serially flooded, mostly abandoned. Now the sad little town had retreated three miles inland and up a hill. Pop.: 850. The boy blinked twice more; he did not care much for history. He narrowed his attention to a single turd. Arenicola marina. Sandworms. Lugworms. These were its coiled castings. Castings? But here he found his interest fading once again. He touched his temple and said, "Blood Head 4." Then: "Washington." It was his first time at this level. Another world began to construct itself around Bill Peek, a shining city on a hill.
"Poor little thing," Melinda Durham said. She sat on the pier, legs dangling, and pulled the girl into her lap. "Demented with grief she is. We're going to a laying out. Aggie's sister is laid out today. Her last and only relation. Course, the cold truth is, Aggie's sister weren't much better than trash, and a laying out's a sight too good for her—she'd be better off laid out on this beach here and left for the gulls. But I ain't going for her. I do it for Aggie. Aggie knows why. Aggie's been a great help to me what with one thing and another."
While he waited, as incidental music played, the boy idly checked a message from his father: at what time could he be expected back at the encampment? At what time could he be expected. This was a pleasing development, being an inquiry rather than an order. He would be fifteen in May, almost a man! A man who could let another man know when he could be expected, and let him know in his own sweet time, when he had the inclination. He performed some rudimentary stretches and bounced up and down on the balls of his feet.
"Maud, that was her name. And she was born under the same steeple she'll be buried under. Twelve years old. But so whorish—" Melinda covered Aggie's ears, and the girl leaned into the gesture, having mistaken it for affection. "So whorish she looked like a crone. If you lived round here, Bill Peek, you'd've known Maud, if you understand me correctly. You would've known Maud right up to the Biblical and beyond. Terrible. But Aggie's cut from quite different sod, thank goodness!" Aggie was released and patted on the head. "And she's no one left, so here I am, muggins here, taking her to a laying out when I've a million other stones to be lifted off the pile."
The boy placed a number of grenades about his person. In each chapter of the Pathways Global Institute (in Paris, New York, Shanghai, Nairobi, Jerusalem, Tokyo), the boy had enjoyed debating with friends the question of whether it was better to augment around the "facts on the ground," incorporating whatever was at hand ("flagging," it was called, the pleasure being the unpredictability), or to choose spots where there were barely any facts to work around. The boy was of the latter sensibility. He wanted to augment in clean, blank places, where he was free to fully extend, unhindered. He looked down the beach as the oil streaks in the sand were overlaid now with a gleaming pavement, lined on either side by the National Guard, saluting him. It was three miles to the White House. He picked out a large pair of breasts to wear, for reasons of his own, and a long, scaled tail, for purposes of strangulation.
"Oh, fuck a duck—you wouldn't do me an awful favor and keep an eye on Aggie just a minute, would you?—I've left my rosary! I can't go to no laying out without it. It's more than my soul's worth. Oh, Aggie, how did you ever let me leave without it? She's a good girl, but she's thoughtless sometimes—her sister were thoughtless, too. Bill Peek, you will keep an eye on her, won't you? I won't be a moment. We're shacked up just on that hill by the old Martello tower. Eight minutes I'll be. No more. Would you do that for me, Bill Peek?"
Bill Peek nodded his head, once rightward, twice leftward. Knives shot out of his wrists and splayed beautifully like the fronds of a fern.
It was perhaps twenty minutes later, as he approached the pile of rubble—pounded by enemy craft—that had once been the Monument, that young Bill Peek felt again a presence at his back and turned and found Aggie Hanwell with her fist in her mouth, tears streaming, jaw working up and down in an agonized fashion. He couldn't hear her over the explosions. Reluctantly, he paused.
"She ain't come back."
"Excuse me?"
"She went but she ain't come back!"
"Who?" he asked, but then scrolled back until he found it. "M. Durham?"
The girl gave him that same astonished look.
"My Melly," she said. "She promised to take me but she went and she ain't come back!"
The boy swiftly located M. Durham—as much an expedience as an act of charity—and experienced the novelty of sharing the information with the girl, in the only way she appeared able to receive it. "She's two miles away," he said, with his own mouth. "Heading north."
Aggie Hanwell sat down on her bum in the wet sand. She rolled something in her hand. The boy looked at it and learned that it was a periwinkle—a snail of the sea! He recoiled, disliking those things which crawled and slithered upon the earth. But this one proved broken, with only a pearlescent nothing inside it.
"So it was all a lie," Aggie said, throwing her head back dramatically to consider the sky. "Plus one of them's got my number. I've done nothing wrong but still Melly's gone and left me and one of them thing's been following me, since the pier—even before that."
"If you've done nothing wrong," Bill Peek said, solemnly parroting his father, "you've nothing to worry about. It's a precise business." He had been raised to despair of the type of people who spread misinformation about the Program. Yet along with his new maturity had come fresh insight into the complexities of his father's world. For didn't those with bad intent on occasion happen to stand beside the good, the innocent, or the underaged? And in those circumstances could precision be entirely guaranteed? "Anyway, they don't track children. Don't you understand anything?"
Hearing this, the girl laughed—a bitter and cynical cackle, at odds with her pale little face—and Bill Peek made the mistake of being, for a moment, rather impressed. But she was only imitating her elders, as he was imitating his.
"Go home," he said.
Instead she set about burrowing her feet into the wet sand.
"Everyone's got a good angel and a bad angel," she explained. "And if it's a bad angel that picks you out"—she pointed to a craft swooping low—"there's no escaping it. You're done for."
He listened in wonderment. Of course he'd always known there were people who thought in this way—there was a module you did on them in sixth grade—but he had never met anyone who really harbored what his anthro-soc teacher, Mr. Lin, called "animist beliefs."
The girl sighed, scooped up more handfuls of sand, and added them to the two mounds she had made on top of her feet, patting them down, encasing herself up to the ankles. Meanwhile all around her Bill Peek's scene of fabulous chaos was frozen—a Minotaur sat in the lap of stony Abe Lincoln and a dozen carefully planted I.E.D.s awaited detonation. He was impatient to return.
"Must advance," he said, pointing down the long stretch of beach, but she held up her hands, she wanted pulling up. He pulled. Standing, she clung to him, hugging his knees. He felt her face damp against his leg.
"Oh, it's awful bad luck to miss a laying out! Melly's the one knew where to go. She's got the whole town up here," she said, tapping her temple, making the boy smile. "Memoried. No one knows town like Melly. She'll say, 'This used to be here, but they knocked it down,' or, 'There was a pub here with a mark on the wall where the water rose.' She's memoried every corner. She's my friend."
"Some friend!" the boy remarked. He succeeded in unpeeling the girl from his body, and strode on down the beach, firefighting a gang of Russian commandoes as they parachuted into view. Alongside him a scurrying shape ran; sometimes a dog, sometimes a droid, sometimes a huddle of rats. Her voice rose out of it.
"Can I see?"
Bill Peek disembowelled a fawn to his left. "Do you have an Augmentor?"
"Do you have a complementary system?"
He knew he was being cruel—but she was ruining his concentration. He stopped running and split the visuals, the better to stare her down.
"Any system?"
"Therefore no. No, you can't."
Her nose was pink, a drop of moisture hung from it. She had an innocence that practically begged to be corrupted. Bill Peek could think of more than a few Pathways boys of his acquaintance who wouldn't hesitate to take her under the next boardwalk and put a finger inside her. And the rest. As the son of personnel, however, Bill Peek was held to a different standard.
"Jimmy Kane had one—he was a fella of Maud's, her main fella. He flew in and then he flew out—you never knew when he'd be flying in again. He was a captain in the Army. He had an old one of them . . . but said it still worked. He said it made her nicer to look at when they were doing it. He was from nowhere, too."
"Like you."
Not for the first time the boy was struck by the great human mysteries of this world. He was almost fifteen, almost a man, and the great human mysteries of this world were striking him with satisfying regularity, as was correct for his stage of development. (From the Pathways Global Institute prospectus: "As our students reach tenth grade they begin to gain insight into the great human mysteries of this world, and a special sympathy for locals, the poor, ideologues, and all those who have chosen to limit their own human capital in ways that it can be difficult at times for us to comprehend.") From the age of six months, when he was first enrolled in the school, he had hit every mark that Pathways expected of its pupils—walking, talking, divesting, monetizing, programming, augmenting—and so it was all the more shocking to find himself face-to-face with an almost nine-year-old so absolutely blind, so lost, so developmentally debased.
"This"—he indicated Felixstowe, from the beach with its turd castings and broken piers, to the empty-shell buildings and useless flood walls, up to the hill where his father hoped to expect him—"is nowhere. If you can't move, you're no one from nowhere. 'Capital must flow.' " (This last was the motto of his school, though she needn't know that.) "Now, if you're asking me where I was born, the event of my birth occurred in Bangkok, but wherever I was born I would remain a member of the Incipio Security Group, which employs my father—and within which I have the highest clearance." He was surprised by the extent of the pleasure this final, outright lie gave him. It was like telling a story, but in a completely new way—a story that could not be verified or checked, and which only total innocence would accept. Only someone with no access of any kind. Never before had he met someone like this, who could move only in tiny local spirals, a turd on a beach.
Moved, the boy bent down suddenly and touched the girl gently on her face. As he did so he had a hunch that he probably looked like the first prophet of some monotheistic religion, bestowing his blessing on a recent convert, and, upon re-watching the moment and finding this was so, he sent it out, both to Mr. Lin and to his fellow Pathways boys, for peer review. It would surely count toward completion of Module 19, which emphasized empathy for the dispossessed.
"Where is it you want to go, my child?"
She lit up with gratitude, her little hand gripped his, the last of her tears rolling into her mouth and down her neck. "St. Jude's!" she cried. She kept talking as he replayed the moment to himself and added a small note of explanatory context for Mr. Lin, before he refocussed on her stream of prattle: "And I'll say goodbye to her. And I'll kiss her on her face and nose. Whatever they said about her she was my own sister and I loved her and she's going to a better place—I don't care if she's stone cold in that church, I'll hold her!"
"Not a church," the boy corrected. "14 Ware Street, built 1950, originally domestic property, situated on a floodplain, condemned for safety. Site of 'St. Jude's'—local, outlier congregation. Has no official status."
"St. Jude's is where she'll be laid out," she said and squeezed his hand. "And I'll kiss her no matter how cold she is."
The boy shook his head and sighed.
"We're going in the same direction. Just follow me. No speaking." He put his finger to his lips, and she tucked her chin into her neck meekly, seeming to understand. Re-starting, he flagged her effectively, transforming little Aggie Hanwell into his sidekick, his familiar, a sleek reddish fox. He was impressed by the perfect visual reconstruction of the original animal, apparently once common in this part of the world. Renamed Mystus, she provided cover for his left flank and mutely admired Bill Peek as he took the traitor Vice-President hostage and dragged him down the Mall with a knife to his neck.
After a spell they came to the end of the beach. Here the sand shaded into pebbles and then a rocky cove, and barnacles held on furiously where so much else had been washed away. Above their heads, the craft were finishing their sallies and had clustered like bees, moving as one back to the landing bay at the encampment. Bill Peek and his familiar were also nearing the end of their journey, moments away from kicking in the door to the Oval Office, where—if all went well—they would meet the President and be thanked for their efforts. But at the threshold, unaccountably, Bill Peek's mind began to wander. Despite the many friends around the world watching (there was a certain amount of kudos granted to any boy who successfully met the President in good, if not record, time, on his first run-through), he found himself pausing to stroke Mystus and worry about whether his father would revoke his AG after this trip. It had been a bribe and a sop in the first place—it was unregistered. Bill had wanted to stay on at the Tokyo campus for the whole summer, and then move to Norway, before tsunami season, for a pleasant fall. His father had wanted him by his side, here, in the damp, unlit graylands. An AG 12 was the compromise. But these later models were security risks, easily hacked, and the children of personnel were not meant to carry hackable devices. That's how much my father loves me, Bill Peek thought hopefully, that's how much he wants me around.
Previously the boy had believed that the greatest testament to love was the guarantee—which he had had all his life—of total personal security. He could count on one hand the amount of times he'd met a local; radicals were entirely unknown to him; he had never travelled by any mode of transport that held more than four people. But now, almost adult, he had a new thought, saw the matter from a fresh perspective, which he hoped would impress Mr. Lin with its age-appropriate intersectionality. He rested against the Oval Office door and sent his thought to the whole Pathways family: "Daring to risk personal security can be a sign of love, too." Feeling inspired, he split the visual in order to pause and once more appreciate the human mysteries of this world slash how far he'd come.
He found that he was resting on a slimy rock, his fingers tangled in the unclean hair follicles of Agatha Hanwell. She saw him looking at her. She said, "Are we there yet?" The full weight of her innocence emboldened him. They were five minutes from Ware Street. Wasn't that all the time he needed? No matter what lay beyond that door, it would be dispatched by Bill Peek, brutally, beautifully; he would step forward, into his destiny. He would meet the President! He would shake the President's hand.
"Follow me."
She was quick on the rocks, perhaps even a little quicker than he, moving on all fours like an animal. They took a right, a left, and Bill Peek slit many throats. The blood ran down the walls of the Oval Office and stained the Presidential seal and at the open windows a crowd of cheering, anonymous well-wishers pressed in. At which point Mystus strayed from him and rubbed herself along their bodies, and was stroked and petted in turn.
"So many people come to see your Maud. Does the soul good."
"How are you, Aggie, love? Bearing up?"
"They took her from the sky. Boom! 'Public depravity.' I mean, I ask you!"
"Come here, Aggs, give us a hug."
"Who's that with her?"
"Look, that's the little sis. Saw it all. Poor little thing."
"She's in the back room, child. You go straight through. You've more right than anybody."
All Bill Peek knew is that many bodies were lying on the ground and a space was being made for him to approach. He stepped forward like a king. The President saluted him. The two men shook hands. But the light was failing, and then failed again; the celebrations were lost in infuriating darkness. . . . The boy touched his temple, hot with rage: a low-ceilinged parlor came into view, with its filthy window, further shaded by a ragged net curtain, the whole musty hovel lit by candles. He couldn't even extend an arm—there were people everywhere, local, offensive to the nose, to all other senses. He tried to locate Agatha Hanwell, but her precise coördinates were of no use here; she was packed deep into this crowd—he could no more get to her than to the moon. A fat man put a hand on his shoulder and asked, "You in the right place, boy?" A distressing female with few teeth said, "Leave him be." Bill Peek felt himself being pushed forward, deeper into the darkness. A song was being sung, by human voices, and though each individual sang softly, when placed side by side like this, like rows of wheat in the wind, they formed a weird unity, heavy and light at the same time. "Because I do not hope to turn again . . . Because I do not hope . . ." In one voice, like a great beast moaning. A single craft carrying the right hardware could take out the lot of them, but they seemed to have no fear of that. Swaying, singing.
Bill Peek touched his sweaty temple and tried to focus on a long message from his father—something about a successful inspection and Mexico in the morning—but he was being pushed by many hands, ever forward, until he reached the back wall where a long box, made of the kind of wood you saw washed up on the beach, sat on a simple table, with candles all around it. The singing grew ever louder. Still, as he passed through their number, it seemed that no man or woman among them sang above a whisper. Then, cutting across it all like a stick through the sand, a child's voice wailed, an acute, high-pitched sound, such as a small animal makes when, out of sheer boredom, you break its leg. Onward they pushed him; he saw it all perfectly clearly in the candlelight—the people in black, weeping, and Aggie on her knees by the table, and inside the driftwood box the lifeless body of a real girl, the first object of its kind that young Bill Peek had ever seen. Her hair was red and set in large, infantile curls, her skin very white, and her eyes wide open and green. A slight smile revealed the gaps in her teeth, and suggested secret knowledge, the kind of smile he had seen before on the successful sons of powerful men with full clearance—the boys who never lose. Yet none of it struck him quite as much as the sensation that there was someone or something else in that grim room, both unseen and present, and coming for him as much as for anybody. ♦


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"Still Life with Fruit" by Cornelius Hankins, ca. 1900
(American, ca. 1864 - 1946)
Oil on canvas, 14 � x 19 � inches (canvas), 23 x 27 � inches (frame), signed lower right, original frame.
Cornelius Hankins, landscape, portrait and still-life painter, was born around 1864 in Guntown, Mississippi to Reverend Edward Lockee Hankins and Annie Mary McFadden. The sixth of eight children, he was deaf until the age of eight as a result of smallpox. In his early twenties, he studied in Nashville with Professor E.M. Gardner who founded the Nashville Art Association and had close ties with Watkins School of Design. While studying in Nashville, Hankins taught art at Miss Clark's Select School for Girls in nearby Rutherford County. In the late 1890s, he spent a few years teaching and working in Richmond, Virginia. While there, he was commissioned to paint portraits of twelve Confederate generals from photos for Lee Camp, now Battle Abbey. In 1898, he married fellow artist Sophia Maude McGhee (1875-1968) who specialized in china paintings, miniatures and watercolors. He was reacquainted with Tennessee in 1901 when the Tennessee General Assembly commissioned him to paint a portrait of Robert E. Lee. Hankins and his wife moved to Nashville in 1904. For a while he was associated with George W. Chambers of the Nashville School of Art. Beginning in 1910, he spent a couple years in Europe studying the work of prominent European artists. A few years after his return to the United States, in 1915, he returned to Richmond to paint a view of the state capitol. However, painting portraits for the Shelby Court House in Virginia provided more money. Hankins' talent is best illustrated in his delicate bucolic landscapes and captivating still lifes. The influence of his Impressionist teacher Chase is evident in Hankins' thematic approach to his still lifes. His dark, vivid paintings exude an air of mystery reminiscent of the eighteenth century French artist Jean-Baptiste-Simeon Chardin. Hankins' careful approach and dramatic lighting adds to the mystifying atmosphere surrounding his paintings. While his still lifes best exemplify his talent, Hankins earned the most recognition and financial success from his portraits. Although his life-size portraits were often disproportional, he received numerous commissions from state governments and painted over a thousand portraits. At his death, in 1946, county courthouses and capitol buildings all over the South housed examples of his work.
Additional biographical information about the artist available upon request


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