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2010 Top Prospect List: #20 Byron Wiley, of
Height 6-1, Weight 200, B/T: L/L, DOB: 12/12/1986
2009 Redlegs Baseball Prospect Ranking: Not Ranked
Byron Wiley is beginning to emerge as a legitimate prospect. His ascension up the ladder has been driven largely by his offensive game, which is defined by his ability to control the strike zone. While he has admittedly been somewhat old for his level of competition, his performance level is still strong. Wiley has the rare and potentially valuable combination of tools and skills. He provides good athleticism, but also understands how to translate his athleticism into offensive production. Wiley has a true understanding of how to hit, which led Dayton manager Todd Benzinger to call him a "flat out pure hitter." Wiley controls the strike zone well and maximizes the number of times he forces a consequence to the At Bat on a hitter's pitch.
While he's still raw and needs to prove himself against more advanced competition, Wiley is certainly trending in the right direction early in his professional career. If he continues to progress and develop, then he will prove to be a steal for the Reds, who selected him out of Kansas State in the 2008 draft.
Collegiate Career
Byron Wiley played for three years at Kansas State University. He joined K-State out of Tomball High School where he was a four year letterman, was first team all-state, and ranked as the third best player in Texas in 2005 by Texas Baseball News.
In 2006 as a freshman, Wiley started 44 out of 48 games and posted a slash line of .297/.425/.483/.908 with 5 homers and a 31/30 K/BB ratio. He also swiped 7 bases in 10 attempts. A stellar collegiate debut. His best game that season was his 3-for-6 performance against South Dakota which included 2 homeruns and 4 RBI. He finished up that season with 10 multi-hit games and 5 multi-RBI games.
He turned in quite an encore performance during his sophomore year, posting a .366/.494/.526/1.020 slash line with 7 homers and a 46/43 K/BB ratio. He was better across the board, including on the bases where he swiped 14 bases in 15 attempts. He played in 55 games, starting 54 of them in centerfield for the Wildcats. He led the team in hits (71), batting average (.366), RBI (44), runs (42), home runs (7), walks (43), and on-base percentage (.494). He ranked fourth in the Big 12 and 27th in the nation in walks, while his OBP of .494 was tops in the league. During the season, he had an 8-game hitting streak, 22 multi-hit games, and 12 multiple-RBI games. It was a tour de force type offensive performance for Wiley.
Unfortunately for Wiley, but perhaps fortunately for the Reds, his junior year was a complete disappointment. His level of performance dropped to .227/.342/.297/.639 with 1 homerun and a 51/20 K/BB ratio. He swiped 5 bases in 6 attempts.
Wiley credits his time at K-State with "helping him mature as a player and as a person." He continues to identify strongly with the school, even going so far as to have Wildcat slogans written on the knobs of his bats during his 2009 season in Dayton. The slogans include "Wiley the Wildcat" and "E.M.A.W." (Every Man a Wildcat).
Draft Position
Perhaps a bit surprisingly, Wiley agreed to turn pro after the Reds selected him 659th overall in the 22nd round of the 2008 draft. Given his stellar first two collegiate seasons, it was realistic to expect him to return to K-State for his senior season in the hopes of rebuilding his draft value and improving his bargaining position.
Fortunately for the Reds, Wiley did decide to turn pro after his lackluster junior year. Upon doing so, he immediately set out to return to his previous level of performance and prove his worth to his new organization.
Professional Career
The Reds sent Wiley to the rookie Pioneer League after he agreed to terms in 2008. In what was remaining of the 2008 season, Wiley ripped the cover off the ball. He produced to a tune of .328/.427/.635/1.062 in 137 ABs. He swiped 3 bases in 4 attempts, put up 27 extra base hits (17 2b, 5 3b, and 5 HRs), and a 49/24 K/BB ratio. His BABIP was rather high at .476, but his line drive rate was a robust 22% so the luck component wasn't quite as significant a factor as it might appear at first blush. He was squaring the ball up well and driving it with authority.
For the 2009 season, the Reds moved Wiley up to low-A Dayton, where Wiley continued producing at a good clip. His power numbers decreased, but his .275/.395/.461 slash line once again demonstrated that he has some of the best on-base skills in the entire system. His BABIP (.363) and line drive (15%) rate both regressed, which resulted in the decrease in his batting average (.275).
Wiley's best game of the season took place in early July, when he cranked three home runs against West Michigan. He joined Wily Mo Pena and Juan Francisco in the record books as the only three Dayton Dragons to hit three homers in a single game. This type of big game performance from Wiley may speak to additional, untapped power potential.
Interestingly enough, Wiley scuffled a bit at home and performed very well on the road. For Dayton, he hit .233/353/.406, while on the road he hit .312/.430/.510. Dayton isn't known as a pitcher's park, so the disparity probably isn't indicative of anything truly noteworthy, but still warrants a mention.
From his first year to his second year, Wiley improved his BB% from 15.0% to 16.3% and cut his strike out rate down from 28.8% to 24.5% against a more advanced level of competition.
Wiley has performed well so far in his professional career, but the case could be made that a polished college hitter should be having success against rookie league and low-A ball pitching. And, that's certainly a valid point, but good production is still good production. At the very least, Wiley deserves a bit of credit for performing like he "should." The 2010 season should bring more advanced pitching and more of a challenge for Wiley, but so far he has more than held his own as a professional.
Swing Mechanics and Plate Approach
Wiley doesn't have a long and lean body type like so many young prospects, but rather he is solidly put together with a strong lower half. His body type could portend more power to come as he continues to mature physically and hone his swing, but it could also lead to reduced speed if he continues to add weight to his lower half.
At the plate, Wiley uses a quiet approach and slightly wider than shoulder width stance. His shoulders are level and his hand position is high. His hands start up by his left ear and he hits with a high back elbow. He uses a small bat waggle to keep loose while waiting for the pitch. When the pitch is delivered, Wiley utilizes a very small stride. He does more than just lift his front foot up and place it right back down, but he doesn't advance his lead foot forward very much. The stride is important for two reasons: 1) to "cock the hips" and 2) to transfer the weight forward to meet the pitch. The hips are a significant source of power in the baseball swing. Typically, they are cocked during the stride, as the front hip tends to rotate inwards to build up energy to unleash during the swing. In addition, the stride starts the weight transfer during the swing.
At times, a wide stance can limit a hitter's ability to cock his hips and generate power in his swing. However, it can certainly be done, as evidenced by two all time great hitters with very wide stances, namely Joe DiMaggio and Albert Pujols. At this point, it isn't looking like a concern for Wiley, but perhaps bears watching.
As Wiley makes his stride, his weight transfers forward and he draws his hands back into the hitting position. Once he front foot hits the ground, he begins to fire his hips, which both generates power and clears the way for his swing, allowing him to drop the head of the bat on the ball. Wiley has smooth, fluid swing that is fairly level, but has just a touch of uppercut. He generates good bat speed and gets good extension through the zone. He maintains good balance throughout the swing and hits off a solid foundation. He finishes his swing by letting his top hand come off the bat, utilizing a one-handed follow through. You can see that his swing has the potential to get too long at times, which could hinder his ability to make consistent contact. Overall, Wiley has a nice, advanced approach at the plate and a nice, smooth swing to go with it. This combination allows him to both work the pitcher for a pitch he likes and gives him the potential to actually do something with that pitch when he gets it.
Here is a look at Wiley in action for K-State:
One thing that Wiley will need to work on his two strike approach. As a late count hitter, Wiley will see far more 2-strike counts than those aggressive, early-count hitters like Juan Pierre or Willy Taveras. In a perfect world, Wiley will continue to work deep into the count, which will enable him to be selective and draw walks, but also improve his two strike approach to cut down on the strikeouts. If he can shorten up in two-strike situations, he might be able to get quicker to the ball and limit the times that he fails to put the ball in play.
Wiley isn't likely to develop into a true power hitter, so shortening up in 2-strike situations will likely provide more benefits (putting the ball in play to give himself a chance for a hit) than detriments (reducing his power and his chances for a homer). Wiley already reaps significant production benefits from his late count approach, but refining his 2-strike approach to cut down on strike outs would make him more effective at the plate and improve his chances for success against more advanced pitching.
Defense and Positional Value
At this point, Wiley's skills in the field lag behind his skills at the plate. The Reds have utilized Wiley primarily in the corner outfield spots. He spent a great deal of time in center at the collegiate level, but has played 93 games in right, 36 in left, and only 2 in center during his professional career. Given the number of quality centerfielders currently in the Reds system, Wiley's best chances are likely in a corner slot.
Despite his good over athleticism and speed, Wiley still hasn't managed to turn his defensive tools into above average defense. In 2009, minorleaguesplits.com rated him as 2 runs below average in left and 1 run above average in right. There is likely room for improvement, as Wiley's footspeed and athleticism give him the tools necessary to play a solid outfield. More experience should enable him to improve his positioning and reads on fly balls.
Overall, Wiley is an intriguing prospect. He's flashing the best on-base skills of anyone in the system outside of Yonder Alonso. When you pair his good athleticism with his plus on-base skills, you have the makings of a solid prospect. Questions still abound about Wiley, namely whether he can find success against more advanced pitching, increase his power output while maintaining a reasonable strikeout rate, and improve his defensive game. Even so, he possesses arguably the most important skill in baseball, the ability to get on base, and has the athletic skill to give him a relatively high development ceiling. Next year will be a big test for Wiley and will provide an important data point for his career trajectory, but for now he checks in at #20 on the list.
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could be an interesting prospect. really needs to be able to play center IMO, dont see him as corner outfielder and making it unless he starts hitting with alot more powerReplyDelete
Personally, I'd say he's pretty interesting already. He's a good athlete who already understands how to translate his tools into baseball specific skills. In fact, he seems like he could be a nice, happy medium between guys like Danny Dorn, who are high on hitting skills, but low on athletic ability, and guys like Billy Hamilton, who are long on raw tools, but low on baseball specific skills.
I'm not entirely sure how much more power he'll need to develop. To me, if you can hit for average, you need to pair it with on base skills or power. An empty batting average isn't worth much in my book. Still, Wiley already has the on base skills to go with a nice hit tool. Even so, power is usually the last tool to develop and his 3 homer game shows that he can drive the ball with authority, so there is still some power projection left in him.
As for his positional value, obviously his prospect value would be higher if he could play a solid centerfield. However, his specific value to the organization isn't really impacted by having to play a corner spot, as that's where he would end up anyway. Realistically speaking, he wouldn't be able to beat out Drew Stubbs, Chris Dickerson, or Chris Heisey for the centerfield job anyway. So, regardless of his ability (or lack thereof) to play center, he would be destined for a corner spot. At this point, an inability to play center would hurt his trade value more than his unique value to the organization.
Obviously, 2010 will be a key data point on Wiley, but I like what he's done in both his collegiate and professional career thus far.
- PeterNincompoopNovember 25, 2009 at 8:12 AM
In your opinion, what do you think his draft status would have been if he opted to enter the draft after his sophomore year? Or if he posted similar number his junior year?
Hey Pete,ReplyDelete
It's an interesting question, to be sure. Under the MLB system, he couldn't have entered the draft after his sophomore season, so that wouldn't have been an option for him. You can enter the draft right after high school, but if you attend college then you are not draft eligible again until after your junior and senior years.
If, instead of having a down junior year, he followed up his sophomore year with a junior year that rivaled his sophomore year in terms of performance level, then I'd say he'd be a legitimate option in the first 5-6 rounds.
On the other hand, if he went back to K-State after his down junior year and proceeded to hit like he did as a sophomore during his senior year, then he would probably would have rebuilt his value enough to land in the top 10-12 rounds.
Outside of the down year as a junior, the only other potential question that might have devalued his collegiate performance is the level of competition. K-State isn't an elite baseball school, so there may have been questions about the caliber of pitching he faced. Even so, that type of production is impressive irrespective of the level of competition.
Anyway, he's an intriguing player who is certainly looking right now like a great value pick for the Reds.
Thanks for the comment.
- AnonymousNovember 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM
how often are you going to post a prospect report? once every few days or what. just curious.ReplyDelete
Hey Anon,ReplyDelete
Ideally, I'd get a new post up every other day, but more realistically it will be two to three a week. It just depends on what kind of time I have, as they do take quite a bit of time to write up. Unfortunately, the posts tend to go in spurts, but I'm trying to do a few each week.
Thanks for the comment.
- PeterNincompoopNovember 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM
Thanks for the reply. I wasn't aware of that rule regarding draft eligibility. If he can continue to improve, and with a plethora of corner outfields (or potential corner outfielders) in our farm system, do you see Wiley as trade material? Or do you see a role for him in the Reds' organization in the future? Or...is it just way too early to make any such call?
Thanks for the great write-ups.
At this point, it's a bit too early. Wiley still has some work to do before we can start slotting him in as a projected starter. He also needs to prove himself against more advanced competition. Until that happens, his trade value isn't very high.
Still, I do think there are real reasons for optimism. First, his on-base skills look pretty ridiculous. Remarkably enough, as both a freshman and sophomore, his OBP was exactly .128 points higher than his batting average. If you can get your OBP up to .100 points higher than your batting average, then you have done something really impressive. Wiley's .128 is ridiculous.
And, fortunately, he continued that trend in professional ball. For Billings in 2008, Wiley was at .099. For Dayton in 2009, he was up to .120. So, regardless of the level of competition, Wiley excels at getting on-base, which is the most important skill a hitter can have.
In addition, I do like his hit tool. He has a nice, fundamentally sound swing. So, he's not going to get the bat knocked out of his hands, which is important because it's difficult to maintain a high OBP if pitchers aren't afraid to challenge you. If they can get away with grooving fastballs, then they won't throw pitches outside of the zone or borderline pitches on the corners.
Still, at this point, it's guarded optimism. Wiley does need to demonstrate his skills against more advanced competition. As a college prospect, he should be holding his own against rookie league and low-A ball pitching. The real test will come against high-A and double-A pitching. If he passes those tests, then we can start thinking about his future role with the team. He's got a bit of work to do first.
Thanks for the comment and the nice words.
- AnonymousJanuary 2, 2010 at 5:46 PM
my brother faced the best in college, even though k-state isnt a elite school they had a tough schedule. They're still in the big 12 and thats where most of the competition comes fromReplyDelete
- AnonymousJanuary 2, 2010 at 6:51 PM
and also his freshman year in highschool he faced the best, like john danks for the white sox's and went 3 for 4 against himReplyDelete
Hey Anon,ReplyDelete
Are you Byron Wiley's brother? If so, wish him well for me. I'm expecting good things out of him in the future, as he's an intriguing offensive prospect with a nice skill set.
As for K-State's schedule, you're right that they do face some top notch baseball programs (i.e. Nebraska, Texas, Witcha State, etc). I didn't intend to imply that they were facing cupcakes. Still, whether the quality of their opponents matches up to the schedules of Stanford, Cal State Fullerton, LSU, FSU, Miami, etc. etc. is somewhat arguable.
Anyway, thanks for the comment. Best of luck to your brother.
By the way, have the Reds informed Byron of where he'll start out the 2010 season? High-A? Double-A?
Also, has he told you what the Reds have asked him to work on? What aspects of his game do they want him to improve? Any specific changes to his swing mechanics, defensive play, or plate approach?
Thanks in advance!
- AnonymousJanuary 3, 2010 at 5:03 PM
thanks. and yea hes my brother he just went back up to kansas. but no the reds just wanted him to mainly work on his defense and lower his strikeout count. in my perspective i think he's too selective but its working for him but sometimes he needs to jump on the first pitchReplyDelete
- AnonymousJanuary 3, 2010 at 7:15 PM
and for where he starts it will depend on how he does in spring trainingReplyDelete
Thanks for the update. It sounds like you have a lot of knowledge of the game and probably kick around hitting with your brother quite a bit. I wonder if his selectivity is a conscious decision or just the way he's always done things. Part me of thinks a hitter's approach at the plate is more of an in-born trait than a learned skill. Still, I do wonder what his approach is at the plate on a pitch-by-pitch basis.
Does he go up there and look for his favorite pitch in his favorite location on the first pitch? Swing if he gets it and pass if he doesn't? Then, on pitch two use the same approach if it's 1-0, but get less selective if it's 0-1? Is it more of a feel approach or a thinking approach?
Plate discipline is an interesting issue, to be sure. There IS something of a fine line between impressive patience and being too passive. A large part of what makes him such an intriguing prospect (in my book, anyway) is his ability to control the strike zone. I'm not sure I'd want to see him sacrifice very much of that simply to cut down on strikeouts.
To a certain extent, strikeouts and walks go hand in hand. To state the obvious, you can't draw a walk without seeing at least 4 pitches and can't strikeout without seeing at least 3. So, each is largely the domain of the late count hitter. Given the value of getting on-base and drawing walks, I'm more than willing to take a few strikeouts to get them.
In addition, there are quite a few obvious benefits to working counts. The stats tip heavily in favor of the hitter when he works the count in his favor and heavily against him when the pitcher gets ahead in the count. So, there are significant advantages to maximizing the number of times you hit in a hitter's count.
If he can increase his power output by getting more aggressive, then it may well be worth it. That could well happen, as sometimes the first pitch is the best one you get. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to see him get more aggressive simply to cut down on the strikeouts.
Anyway, he's definitely an intriguing hitter and I'm expecting him to take it up a notch in 2010. I'm a bit surprised that his 2010 level will be determined by his performance in spring training. I was expecting him to head to high-A with a quick promotion if he played well. Still, nice to see the Reds are open minded on the proper spot for him.
Thanks for the comment!!!
- AnonymousJanuary 6, 2010 at 4:08 PM
no problem. what i have tend to notice is that pitchers know he will take the first pitch so they make sure they will get first pitch strike which is usually a fastball. then they will pitch him away or all offspeed after that but his hitting has increased alot and its starting to get where it doesnt matter what they throw. my dad taught us to hit away and when they come inside make em pay.ReplyDelete
Yeah, that's a good point. The point of the patient approach is to battle for a good pitch. Of course, if the first pitch is a grooved fastball, then you need to jump on it. Not doing so would cross the line from patient to too passive and put him behind in the count too often. Hopefully, he takes your Dad's advice in 2010 and starts depositing more of those inside pitches in the rightfield bleachers!ReplyDelete
I'm really hoping to see Wiley skip High-A. Hopefully, he comes out in shape and hitting well in spring training. The combination of his age and plate discipline make him a good candidate for that move. But it will also depend on the organizational depth chart - I haven't really went over it completely, but I think it looks promising.ReplyDelete
Mr. McWax,ReplyDelete
Long time, no see. Good to hear from you.
As for Wiley, I'd love to see him in double-A...if he's ready. Maybe I'm overrating him, but I like Wiley a lot. His on-base skills are ridiculously good and I really do think he's got more power potential in his bat.
Still, Double-A is a big step up, so he might be better off splitting the season between high-A and double-A. But, if he's ready for it, throw him out there and see what he can do.
I haven't broken down the organizational depth chart either, but I don't think there's really anyone at double-A who should block his path.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if he takes a step forward in 2010. I've got fairly high hopes, so hopefully he does.
Thanks for the comment.
- AnonymousApril 14, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Wiley wasn't going to build his draft value if he went back to college his senior year. Most seniors aren't drafted high because they have no other choice but to sign, and after that pathetic year he had...he would have had to tear it up.ReplyDelete
I still contend that if Wiley returned to K-State for his senior year and put up production in line with his freshman and sophomore seasons, then he would have been drafted much higher than the 22nd round.
Draft position is driven largely by performance, tools, and skills. You're right in that he would have had no choice to sign, but that is actually an advantage for the team that drafts him and likely makes him a more desirable draft pick.
Draft eligible seniors have less bargaining power and less leverage to use in negotiations. That's a benefit to the drafting organization, as they can likely sign the player for less than if he could return to college.
A reason why Bryce Harper may ultimately sign for more than Stephen Strasburg is that Harper is so young that he has a lot of options and, thus, a lot of leverage.
Thanks for the comment.
- AnonymousJune 13, 2010 at 4:36 PM
they will draft you high but what you dont see behind the scenes is the amount of money you will get. At most he wouldve gotten 100,000.ReplyDelete
Yeah, that is my understanding as well. Seniors just have less bargaining power. The option of returning to school for your senior year gives juniors more leverage. No option is as attractive if a college senior elects not to sign.
Thanks for the comment!
- AnonymousJuly 5, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Not only is Byron great on the field !! Hes a fantastic young man whos trust in God will take him FAR !! We miss you B, best of luck this year!!ReplyDelete
Thanks for info on Byron. I was sad to see him leave the organization and hope he has a better opportunity in Arizona.


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This essay synthesizes recent writing on the constitutional history of slavery, featuring Mark Graber's Dred Scott and the Problem of Constitutional Evil (2006). It offers a historical and legal analysis of Dred Scott that attempts to clarify the roles of both law and politics in controversial judicial decisions. It joins Graber in rehabilitating Chief Justice Taney's Dred Scott opinion as a plausible implementation of a Constitution that was born in slavery and grew only more suffused with slavery over time. It integrates much recent writing on the social, political, and constitutional history of slavery to develop the context in which the Dred Scott opinions must be read. And it finds that Justice Curtis's celebrated dissent amounted to an unjudicial manipulation of the law, not the judicial masterpiece of historiographical lore, although driven by the higher purpose of striking at the political hegemony of the slaveholding class.
This essay is an unabridged version of a shorter work that is forthcoming in Law and Social Inquiry (Summer 2009).
Thursday, June 4, 2009
Leonard on Dred Scott
2 comments:
- Alfred Brophy said...
The abstract's really enticing. I'm looking forward to reading it--but Gerry doesn't seem to have posted the article, only the abstract.
Since I haven't read Gerry's piece, let me limit my comments to Graber: to the extent that Taney's opinion is in some way "legally" defensible, I think it so because attitudes (judicial and otherwise) towards slavery had so evolved--in a proslavery direction--from 1787 to 1857 that he seemed to be within the "mainstream." There's an important story here--which many people have told--of a shift from the Enlightenment values of 1787 to the proslavery values of the Civil War. The declension over that time (to adapt Perry Miller's phrase) explains why what was unquestioned as late as the Missouri Compromise becomes unconstitutional in 1857.
This realization that what arguments are acceptable/winning changes dramatically over time is a central tenet of legal history. How that realization relates to contemporary constitutional practice is a subject worthy of a lot of ink.
- June 4, 2009 at 9:38:00 AM EDT
- Mark Field said...
Alfred Brophy's comment was spot on. I found Graber's book unpersuasive precisely because he, like Taney, treated the attitudes of 1857 as those of 1776-88. Moreover, Graber went much too far in his claims, it seemed to me, when he argued not just that Taney had plausible arguments on his side (he did, to some degree), but that Taney was right. That conclusion strikes me as unjustified legally (on both procedural and substantive grounds) and factually.
Graber's speculation that electing John Bell would have been more consistent with Constitutional principles strikes me as fatuous. For one thing, ignoring the moral difference between Lincoln and Bell is inexcusable. For another, it implicitly assumes that the nation as a whole was bound to continue to follow Constitutional practice which was not firmly rooted in the text. While "stare decisis" is a good rule, it's never intended to be permanent, and that's even more true when the rule is based on historical practice rather than text and principle.
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"The difference between a power boater and a sailor: When a power boater steps aboard, he is in a hurry to get somewhere; when a sailor steps aboard, he's already where he wants to be." - author unknown
How inappropriate to call this planet Earth when it is clearly Ocean. - Arthur C. Clarke
Check out our new page, Dare to Win, for wisdom from Jim Kilroy of Kialoa fame.
When the challenges of intermittent dirt dwelling (or the most recent lightning strike) weigh heavily, I keep this on my desk to remind me of why I need to get back on the water as soon as possible. "It is not so much for its beauty that the sea makes a claim upon men's hearts, as for that subtle something, that quality of air, that emanation from the waves, that so wonderfully renews a weary spirit." Unfortunately, I don't recall the author; Joseph Conrad perhaps?
Regarding the item above, Marcy Zimmerman writes: I submitted a Classy Classified this morning and was lamenting the idea of selling our boat. So I went to the Wisdom section for solace. One quote particularly appealed to me, but when I Googled it, it turns out that it's a variation on a quote from Robert Louis Stevenson about the forest (not the sea). The actual quote is: "It is not so much for its beauty that the forest makes a claim upon men's hearts, as for that subtle something, that quality of air that emanation from old trees, that so wonderfully changes and renews a weary spirit." I'm going to put it up on my wall anyway.
Rob Murray submits the following: "Those who see sailing as an escape from reality have got their understanding of both sailing and reality completely backwards." Robert Pirsig (author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance), in a 1977 Esquire magazine article.
"I have always said that one of the reasons I love the sport of sailing is because you can do it in your pajamas." John Nebilak, Indigo, Cape Dory 36
Uncle Carl (a powerboater): "You sailors have chosen to race the slowest means of transportation ever devised by man." Dad: "What's your point?" – John Reinhart
My nephew Bobby told me about his first overnight up the Coast around Point Conception. He said, "My dad told me when I went on watch, 'DON'T HIT CALIFORNIA!'" – Steve Jennings
These quotes were submitted by Bob Reney of Alameda:
Seen on the back of a shirt at Tinsley Island: "There are two kinds of people in the world. The haves, and the have yachts." – Dennis Deisinger
From Bob Reney of Alameda: "Sailing a boat calls for quick action, a blending of feeling with the wind and water as well as with the very heart and soul of the boat itself. Sailing teaches alertness and courage, and gives in return a joyousness and peace that but few sports afford." – George Matthew Adams
"There are but two ways to learn to sail, trial and error." – Robert Pickett, by way of Joel.
Those who go to sea for pleasure would go to hell for a passtime. (From a reformed merchantman, stolen of course, from who? Who knows!) – Judy Dundon
There is only one rule on my boat , no number two. – Markwesti aboard Patricia A
For every complicated boat problem, there is a simple and elegant solution – which is almost always wrong. – Mike Bennett, Cupertino
"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." – Jacques Yves Cousteau
The ultimate in wisdom from David Allocco:
"I put the following quote from Ella Wheeler Wilcox in a book I published titled Turning Final, A Life Complete," writes Jim Reed.
Sailing Quotes from David R. Allocco:
1. Always keep the air side up and the water side down.
This quote is usually applied to flying airplanes, but it works for boats too: Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself. – Bob Wassam, Oregon Coast
"When I was about 13, my Dad turned over the helm to me sailing up-bay at night. His instructions: "If you see the lights of a ship, turn the boat away from it, then wake me up." Dad's 93 now. My brother took him for a nice sail recently." – Scotty, Catalina 34, Paradise
When I got my first ocean capable sailboat, a seabird yawl, my friends and I drank beer. A lot of beer, in bottles. So not knowing better we took beer in bottles aboard. We spilt a lot of beer but luckily never broke any bottles. So we never learned the lesson that bottles are a no-no aboard boats. But one thing I did learn, at least on that seabird yawl, is that when the beer bottles start to whistle, ye best be reefing
The Wanderer says "please, no poetry," but I snuck this one in:
"Reading the clock aloft," is a lovely turn of phrase, writes William M. Cunningham II, who sent us this quote from Joshua Slocum's Sailing Alone Around the World:
From Hugh Field of San Francisco: "Any damn fool can navigate the world sober. It takes a really good sailor to do it drunk." - Sir Francis Chichester, an early circumnavigator, spoken whilst loading his boat with gin. And one of my own… You'll know that sailing has overtaken your life when, while driving your car around a tight hairpin turn. you find yourself wondering why the boom hasn't jibed.
There is something magical about the dance that occurs between the ocean and the sky - with the wind as your partner. Whether it is under a bright blazing sun, or a star filled sky - the rhythm of the ocean, the surge of the vessel, the sound of the wind, and the splash of the waves. In all my wanderings and adventures, I have found no tonic stronger to restore my soul, replenish my spirit, and brighten my outlook on life. - anonymous (submitted by Kelvin Meeks)
Red dress in the morning… sailor take warning. – Mike Coller, Short Wave II, Kent WA
When God was making the earth, one day he made fog. He soon realized his mistake and to atone for his sin he gave man the inspiration to invent the anchor.
2. On maneuvering:
Use slow when you think you need half, and half when you think you need full. If you need full, you are going too fast.
- Gregg Waugh, s/v Rochambeau, Beneteau 49
"A strong, reliable engine is - in many cases - an adequate substitute for seamanship." - Eric Slosser
From Dave Barry (humor columnist): "Sailboats get to their destination primarily due to continental drift." That's not an exact quote, but it conveys his message.
From a bumper-sticker: "There are two kinds of ships: submarines and targets."
I had a request for this one some time ago - took me a while to find it:
Why Is a Ship Called a 'She'?
When asked where I am headed, my only answer is that I place my index finger in my mouth and when I take it out, I head the opposite direction from whichever side is cold. – Capt. Buzz, Yacht Taaroa
When I was working on a radar for a sailboat in Sausalito the owner asked me what other electronics experience I had. I told him I had worked in Aerospace on projects for NASA. He said, "That is amazing," and that marine work should be easy. I told him that it was the opposite. He said, "How can that be?" I told him that when you make a mistake in aerospace there probably is not going to be anyone coming back and looking for you. In marine work a mistake might put a crew in the liferaft and there is very good chance that they are coming back to meet you! – Dave Angelini from Astraea the Ketch
Imagine2frolic says, "Sailing isn't always a slick magazine cover."
"I speak from experience here, MUCH EXPERIENCE," exclaims Mike DeLury: A BOAT IS BUT A HOLE IN THE WATER THAT YOU ALWAYS TRY TO FILL IN WITH MONEY.
From Bill Nokes: While racing my cruising boat offshore of Brookings, Oregon, I became concerned we had up too much sail for the wind. A hard core racer aboard said, "Don't worry about gear breaking. If it doesn't break, it was built too heavy!"
"Something about sailing a boat brings so many senses and sensations into play that it's very difficult to pinpoint what it is specifically that makes me like it so much: the sight of sails and sheets overhanging the water; the foam and spray flying as the bow cuts the water; the motion of the boat; the physical and mental ballet necessary to handle the boat correctly. A sailboat might just be the most beautiful, sensuous and intelligent blend of man/machine/and elements that exists in the world today. The relationship between the three is the most harmonious I have experienced so far. Besides you can have a beer while you do it." - anonymous, submitted by
The only difference between prison and a ship at sea in the Navy is prisoners generally have more hot water and space! Rich Slayden
"I'm not sure of the origins of this quote," writes Yinka Tuakli, "but it was definitely
Seen by Mike Reed on a T-shirt at Cama Beach, Camano Island, WA:
David Rustigian came across this years ago and still believes it to be true:
"You must have this somewhere, but I didn't find it," writes Justin McCarter:
"I saw this on a bronze plaque in a marine store," says Chris Penn:
"I ran across this Robert Burton quote over 30 years ago when I was setting off to sail around the world. It has always stuck with me:
When you are sailing your piece of tupperware across the bay, and the ships are coming from one way and the tugs with barges are coming from another, just remember what a frog looks like in a blender. GET OUT OF THE WAY! - from Susan-Marie Hagen
Jeff Berman says, "To make your sailing weekends last longer, take your dentist sailing. As having him aboard will make time pass much slower."
Life is a voyage in which we choose neither vessel nor weather, but much can be done in the management of the sails and the guidance of the helm. - Author Unknown, sent in by Dave Mather
A quote from a offshore racing catamaran skipper:
Chris Larsen writes: "I believe the following quote is from Bernard Moitessier in The Long Way. From Garry Willis of Breezn from Marina del Rey:
"A sure cure for seasickness is to sit under a tree." Spike Milligan, from Ray Thackeray
Wisdom. . . or the lack thereof:
Life's too short to sail an ugly boat! Cheers from an Alberg 37 owner (Jack Vanderloo, Ottawa, Ontario)
A rebuttal to the above comment:
Also from Canada, Jay and Anita Bigland wonder, "How come all rocks that boaters collide with are referred to as 'uncharted'?"
Jim Revard saw this in the Hole in the Wall Bar and Marina, Ketchikan, Alaska:
Does your boat leak? Only when it rains.
We discovered the following on a plaque on a wall in the old city section of
Ed of the Tayana T37 Maryann's Majic out of Annapolis attributes the following to renown seafarer Stephen B Luce:
A foreman mechanic at a boatyard I worked for, Richard of Richmond Boat Works, said to me once that, "Sailing is hours of mild boredom with interrupted moments of sheer terror." J. Richard MB
Dave Jackson delivers the following: "We had shaken out all reefs, and now tore along at full speed, with the spray-drift sparkling in the sun, and a frolicsome jubilant sea. The delights of going fast when the water is deep and the wind is strong - ah! These never can be rightly described, nor the exulting bound with which your vessel springs through a buoyant wave, and the thrill of nerve that tells in the sailor's heart, 'Well, after all, sailing is a pleasure supreme.'" - from The Voyage Alone in the Yawl Rob Roy by John MacGregor, 1867
John Forsyth says, "If you don't know where you are going, then don't complain when you get there."
Over the rapidly missing rum, we thought this was Wisdom
Frequently heard during the last 40 years of Frostbite Dinghy Racing in Belmont Harbor, Chicago: Upside down is slow. - Rick Van Mell
I'm not sure if this is printable. With much hesitation I submit, "If it flys floats or fornicates it's cheaper to rent." (source unknown) - Richard White
"There is always a guy with a bigger boat and a prettier wife." Once you accept this the happier you will be (and also the wealthier you will be). - B.G.W.
Attitude is everything. While cruising the South Pacific, we had a friend, Werner on Columbine, who would always say when the weather was rough (or anything else was not going well). "I'm glad there is a gale, because if I weren't glad, there would still be a gale." Bill Christoph, yacht Hubba Hubba
I'm quite certain time travel can be achieved by installing fluorescent lights on a sailboat. I've come to this conclusion based on how time seems to pass at a snail's pace when at the office and exponentially when sailing.
Jim McEwen, Tequila Chica, Dana
Point, has this Tristan Jones quote on his wall:
Applies to lots of things in life including yacht refits: Good, fast and cheap. Pick any two; you can't have all three. - Capt. H. J. Earl, USCG Master, Sausalito
My stink pot mechanic, Ted Cornnut (sp?) here in Flagstaff once told me, when asked what is the single best piece of advice you can give me before I launch my boat? He said; "Never approach a dock faster than you are willing to hit it." It works. - John Bachrach (Hunter's brother), Flagstaff, AZ
Jay's Right of Way Rule
"I remember reading this in Latitude
38 way back in the '80s so it can't be poetry." - Jeff
When Humperdinck Jackman entered the U.S. Navy he was taught: "There's a right way, a wrong way, and the Navy way."
Despite his wife's disapproval, Paul Ouellette quotes an unknown author: "Sailing is like a bad relationship...the costs are high in terms of aggravation, time, and money...but when she's wet and you're riding her...it all seems worthwhile."
John Reinhart writes: When people ask the question, "Aren't boats expensive?" my reply is, "not as expensive as a house... and you know a house is just a badly built boat. It won't hold water and when the neighbors get ugly you can't move it." Stolen from a Roberts boat building manual I carried around with me from my teens till I was 30 and could afford to buy one. [A house or a boat?]
This is a old one, from Gregory Clausen: "The two happiest days a boat owner has are the day he buys a boat and the day he sells it."
Just two items for a
section I hesitate to name, for reasons of modesty:
Sailing sure beats the hell out of chasing tail pipes down freeways. - Walter Lockhart, s/v ISHA, a trailerable boat
I loved your wisdom section, maybe because
I think that while sailing can be a serious venture, there is
no need to be funereal about it. I don't recall the sources of
these one liners, but they seem to be in keeping with the spirit
of the column:
In my life, I have lived on three different shores, swum in every ocean, trod every continent. It still astounds me that the only time I feel as though I have arrived, is when the final dock line is cast off. - Bill Fortner, Merchant Mariner, Chesapeake Bay, VA
When fog descends, the anchor is a navigational aid: It finds you a place where you are not sinking! - Gene Walker
Most memorable advice from my first instructor at Tradewinds Sailing School: "If you get embarassed easily then sailing's not for you." - Paul Miller
Earl's Rule #1 of sailing: "Don't spit, pee, puke or anything else off the windward side." (Our instructor Earl to a crew of 4 guys taking a 5-day liveaboard class.) - Peter Howson
One should never enter a life raft except when steeping up from the masthead. - Ann Trautwein, Redemption
Saw this quote on a crew t-shirt in Solomons Island, MD, after a race: "Second place is the first loser!" - John Rader, Cohabit
Kevin Meeks of Renaissance sent in this quote by Sir Francis Bacon, "They are ill discoverers that think there is no land, when they can see nothing but sea."
Said by the late Sid Bryant, an old salt and former commodore of the Royal Victoria Yacht Club to his son Dal, who was planning to purchase a liveaboard sailboat for his young family. "Son, you have to remember that people like terra firma - the more firma, the less terra." - Dal Bryant
From Jeff Ross: My friend Tom, at the age of 35 and about to embark on a lifelong cruise replied to a question about his finances, "I have enough money now to last me the rest of my life... All I have to do is not spend any of it."
After 30+ years of sailing, (some in Star boats), one of the best pieces of wisdom I have learned (the hard way) is, DUCK! - Tom Walchli
"Nothing goes to windward like a 747." - Andrew Haslam, Auckland, NZ
At sea one time, after several days of miserable weather, our Chief Cook said to me... "There are only two types of people who go to sea: Cooks and Diners." - Jimmy Langton, PO1 Cdn Navy from his lifelong bud "ffronk"
Life's journey is not
to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather
to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy shit… what a ride!" Our
Chartering Editor suggested this quote but we weren't sure to
whom to attribute it. If you know,
When people asked me, "How could you give up this great job/life and go sailing?" I said, "The truth is I don't have long to live." After a pregnant pause, I'd say, "In ten, twenty or thirty years, I'll be dead and I won't be able to do this!" - John Gambill, S/V Hotwire, St. Petersburg, FL
It's a little more than 20 years that as a young man I sailed around the Caribbean with Mr. Thomas 'T-Bone' Whatley, a seasoned old warrier who taught me a lot about being a mariner. He had sayings that have been proven to be so true: "In rough and rolling seas all good sailors sit to pee," Salud, Augusto Villalon S/V Gaucho
When you loose control of your saiboat, aim for the cheapest boat. So says Abilio Ramos of Blanca Rosa.
The last line from Pirates of the Caribbean: Now - bring me that
Only a fool becomes embroiled in an argument on a singlehanded boat. - Skipper Neal
Mark Caplin writes:
"To young men contemplating a voyage I would say go. The tales of rough usage are for the most part exaggerations, as also are the tales of sea danger. To face the elements is, to be sure, no light matter when the sea is in its grandest mood. You must then know the sea, and know that you know it, and not forget that it was made to be sailed over." - Joshua Slocum
"Sailing is like being in jail, but with the possibility of drowning!" - Sara Dornsife sent in by Richard Finlayson
"I thought of this one years ago, working in the depths of a very deep bilge. Applicable as well, to hanging over the stern, up in the rig." Hold the nut, turn the bolt.
A guy and his wife hop aboard the jitney
outside Mystic Seaport. He tries to pay his fare when he discovers
that the coin channel on the meter is clogged. Calmly, without
oath, he takes a pocket knife out of his trousers, clears the
jam, pays his fare and sits down.
Overheard on a windy day at a crowded anchorage: "You can observe
a lot just by watching." Original
quote is generally credited to Yogi Berra.
"When I was teaching boat handling in the Coast Guard we had a saying: Approaching a dock with a boat it is like approaching a woman in a bar - very seldom is a slow approach a poor approach." - Denis Mahoney
Only sailors are blown offshore. (Hey, I didn't say it - give JLKangley the credit for that one!)
In The Tao of Sailing, Ray Grigg writes: "Wind blows in one direction, but we want to go in another; wind blows there, but we want to stay here. Wind keeps getting in the way of made-up mind. So...change made-up mind to unmade-up mind."
Mike Bennett, Executive Director of the
Astronomical Society of the Pacific in San Francisco, writes:
"That packet of assorted miseries which we call a ship." - Rudyard Kipling, submitted by Lee & Jackie Bartl
Advice from a favorite seafaring uncle:
"I have a great medallion (on a chain) acquired somewhere long ago. It has a sailboat on the front and the back advises Pray to God, but row for shore." Mark Wieber, Emery Cove
Joe Rockmore sent this in: "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood or assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea." - Antoine de Saint Exupery
Doug Brown of the s/v Arwen Evenstar of London heard this quote 30 years ago "from a guy in MDR who was the biggest sailing BS'er in the marina: 'If you have to be somewhere by a certain date, you aren't cruising, you're racing.' It has proven to be 100% true."
"After a beach party in Isla Mujeres, I wrote this: Anchor tales, sailor brags. Wind blows, sailor drags." - Eldon McMullen
The ocean has the conscienceless temper of a savage autocrat spoiled by much adulation. - Joseph Conrad (sent in by Joe Rockmore)
From Garry Willis of Breezn from Marina del Rey:
Shirley Larsen sent us
Also on the subject of seasickness from WG Nokes: "Seasickness is the only malady from which you must recover to die." Evolved from "I'm too seasick to die."
"There is more to
sailing than ropes and winches, cleats and bulging sails. There are faraway places and the ever changing light, and the
silence, and a great peace at the bottom of your soul." - Ferenc Maté
Steve Moore found this
one years ago, but doesn't remember where:
The journey of a thousand
miles begins with a broken main halyard and a leaky toilet valve.
Another comment on the
latter subject:
Dan Spradlin on confusion: I have only
one real caution to the folks I bring onboard: I say, "If
it CAN get fouled, it WILL get fouled." This is in hopes
that I can get the crew to clear the decks of effluvia.
Everything I need to
know about life, I learned from Noah's Ark:
From a placard my wife
posted in the head: "A gentleman
sailor always sits."
Why sailors love the
sea: Without it
they would have to carry their boats.
Stuart Kiehl sent in this
quote from Charles Schultz:
Adventure is never much fun while it's happening. - unknown (submitted by John Bousha)
The sailors with the most
time get the best weather.
As an engineer and a sailor I came up with this about 30 years ago and kept it posted on my office door for years. It certainly applies to sailboats and anything else! 'In all systems, as complexity approaches infinity, mean time between failures drops to zero.' - Stephen Streib
After taking a lightning strike while below deck, and two feet from the keel-stepped mast, I offer these words regarding lightning: 'If you can hear it, fear it. If you can see it, flee it'. - Evan Williams, Sur Lees
I once knew an old gent who had had quite the illustrious life. I asked him what he'd done with his money. He immediately said: "Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered." - Roy Myers, s/v Minx of Fairhaven, currently in Newport Beach
Quoth Captain Nemo in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea by Jules Verne, "Professor, I'm not what you call a civilized man. I am finished with society for reasons I alone can appreciate. I don't obey its laws, and I suggest you never again refer to them again in my presence!" (Thanks to Mark Ramos)
From Jim Leech of Neil
Pryde Sails:
These silly thoughts
are by Jim Borgman, Kismet, Catalina 36, Emeryville:
A sailing rockstar? Attributed to David Lee Roth by David Paul: "Money can't buy you happiness. But it can buy you a yacht big enough to pull up right alongside it."
The definitive quote about boating comes from Rat in Kenneth Grahame's Novel, Wind in the Willows: "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." Thanks to Sanders LaMont for reminding us of it.
While we're quoting the literati, it was JRR Tolkien who said, "Not all who wander are lost." - Submitted by Richard Finlayson
Calvin Chase quotes a PT boat skipper on Tulagi: "We have done
so much with so little for so long we can do anything with nothing."
Jerry Mennis writes: A friend of mine was sitting on his 25-ft sailboat at the dock when a dockwalker asked is he ever takes his boat out of the marina and over the bar. My friend said 'yes' and the d.w. asked, "How far do you go?" My friend said, "Till half your beer is gone!"
From Gary Scharf: "When
I die, I want to go quietly, in my sleep; like my grandfather.
"I don't drive another man's car, boat, or wife." That philosophy has kept me alive and still friendly with many a good friend over the years. I still recall some advice given about how to make it feel that your drink is cool when there is no ice when down in Mexico. Just plunk some nuts and bolts in the drink and occasionaly shake it up for the ice-like clinking sound. - John Perkins, Daytona Beach, FL
Could apply to yacht racing: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte (sent in by LS from the Delta)
From one of my favorite
Antigua Sailing Week t-shirts: "My drinking team has a sailing problem!" - Greg Sherwood of 'Imi Loa in SF
CANNON BALLS: In the heyday of sailing ships, all war ships and many freighters carried iron cannons. Those cannons fired round iron cannon balls. It was necessary to keep a good supply near the cannon, but prevent them from rolling about the deck. The best storage method devised was a square based pyramid with one ball on top, resting on four resting on nine which rested on sixteen. Thus, a supply of thirty cannon balls could be stacked in a small area right next to the cannon. There was only one problem - how to prevent the bottom layer from sliding/rolling from under the others. The solution was a metal plate called a "Monkey," with sixteen round indentations. If this plate was made of iron, the iron balls would quickly rust to it. The solution to the rusting problem was to make "Brass Monkeys." Few landlubbers realize that brass contracts much more and much faster than iron when chilled. Consequently, when the temperature dropped too far, the brass indentations would shrink so much that the cannon balls would come right off the monkey. Thus, it was quite literally, "Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey!" - via friendly spam
In an effort to debunk the 'brass monkeys' story, Ralph Ahseln of Gresham, OR, writes, "There are NO references to 'Brass Monkey' in any nautical reference book available today. There are no words even close to it. Therefore, assume it never existed as a nautical term. The device that held ammunition on board was most likely wooden, sometimes rope. A BRASS device would be unlikely to be placed on the decks of a fighting ship. Brass would have been a poor choice of materials. The 'holders' were called many things, primarily a 'shot garland', sometimes called a 'shot grommet'. Which brings us to the real problem with the Brass Monkey story: Ammunition aboard those vessels was called either 'bombs' or 'shells' if they exploded, or 'shot' if they didn't explode. There was round shot, bar shot, chain shot, case shot, cross bar shot, langrel shot . . . So the old silly saying would have been 'It was cold enough to freeze the round shot off a wooden shot garland.' Kind of loses something in the translation, doesn't it?"
In an effort to debunk
Ralph's debunking of the 'brass monkeys' story, Gregory Sherwood
of s/v Imi Loa writes, "Page 43 of Robert McKenna's book The Dictionary
of Nautical Literacy states:
Bob Bell of Andiamo wrties, "From truth or fiction Web site: According to the United States Navy Historical Center, this is a legend of the sea without historical justification. The center has researched this because of the questions it gets and says the term 'brass monkey' and a vulgar reference to the effect of cold on the monkey's extremities, appears to have originated in the book Before the Mast by C.A. Abbey. It was said that it was so cold that it would 'freeze the tail off a brass monkey.' The Navy says there is no evidence that the phrase had anything to do with ships or ships with cannon balls."
On docking and launching...
A simple explanation
of how sailing works from Bill Schafer of the Olson 25 Ohana:
Shari Cottrell sent
this in, and I remember seeing it on a No Fear t-shirt and liking
it then:
Patrick Maguire has
observed that,
"Enjoyed the few postings
I read so far; here is something I often tell myself when I get
stuck: There is no shortage of solutions, just a shortage of
Michael Cobbald sent
us these quotes:
While riding on a tortoise,
the snail said "WHEEEE!"
Dick Herman sent us
two very basic rules stolen years ago from the "Hog Log"
at the 512 TFS, Ramstein, Germany:
Nick Rouy submits:
"Never worry about stepping on anyone's toes. People who get their toes stepped on are standing still or sitting down on the job." - Admiral Arleigh "31 knot" Burke, USNMike Geer of s/v Michalla reminds us that, "Girls don't lay down in boats they can't stand up in." Chuck Hawley agrees: "Richard claims that I said this in about 1982…while living aboard an Olson 30 in Clipper Basin 2. 'Do not expect a woman to lie down in a sailboat she cannot stand up in!' That did help explain a particularly rough patch in my love life in the '80s…"
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From Jim and Ann Cate,
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William Arthur Ward
From Luis de Camoes,
a Portuguese poet that wrote about the great sea odysseys of the XV century:
Stan Wieg writes about the above quote: "I think maybe that translation should be 'Navigation is precise; life is not.' - it certainly describes my life if not my navigation."
Luiz Schechter replies: "About the second translation, Stan Wieg is 100% correct. Both translations deserve to be mentioned side by side, for the double meaning was certainly Luis de Camoes' actual intention."
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WHATEVER is an odd one. A sticky, garish mess of an album, it skirts a fine line between raucous, fun electro and an unholy disaster. I could never decide if, while listening, I wanted to break out the vodka or have a paracetamol, a glass of water and a lie-down. At first, I hated it (shamefully, I must admit I was looking forward to writing a thoroughly scathing review). Having spent more time with the record, I can see the charm. That, married to a brazen attitude that just about avoids obnoxiousness, equals success of sorts.
TEETH have been likened to Yeah Yeah Yeahs in some quarters, a comparison that doesn't sit right with me. For all the intermittently thrilling noise, this album has very little of the visceral power or emotional heft of YYY's finest moments.
However, while the music of TEETH may lack depth, it certainly isn't, er, toothless. This is a half-hour slab of solid, aggressive electro, with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face. TEETH employ a kitchen-sink approach, and luckily for them enough sticks to create actual music, rather than the endless abyss of squealing electronics WHATEVER occasionally threatens to collapse into.
Thankfully, it just about stays on the rails. Indeed, at its best WHATEVER is elevated from rickety, flashy sugar rush to something altogether greater and more controlled. New single 'Flowers' in particular is a highlight, a taut, rumbling piece of pop, its hypnotic chorus of "dream on, dream on, dream on" trilling in tandem with the rippling synth line. Third track 'Care Bear' is a barely controlled deluge of sound, infectiously enthusiastic, while closer 'Street Jams' is a vaguely Fuck Buttons-esque wall of pounding noise.
So it's catchy and fun, and it demands to be played at high volume. Yet this is undeniably a pretty disposable album. The kind of record you can't get enough of for a couple of weeks, but come December you'll have forgotten all about it.
Perhaps it's unfair to level that sort of criticism at TEETH. After all, we need these kind of albums, the quick, trashy adrenaline hits between the more serious, weighty releases on the music calendar. On the other hand, merely filling a hole is not the mark of a classic, and truly great albums don't need to justify their own existence.
The creators of WHATEVER would likely frown upon such chin-stroking, having made a record that invites the listener to go fucking mental and do little else. There's not really anything wrong with that. In fact it's something of a relief to listen to something with no deeper meaning to digest, no heady themes to ponder. Absorb it, enjoy it, consume it hungrily like fast food and alcohol. There's no need to feel guilty. After all, we all need a cheap rush every now and again.
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About Me
- About Svage
- Biography
- Disabled US NAVY VET! yeah, they give me money for doing nothing now. WOOT!
- Location
- Idaho, usa
- Interests
- wife, games, MUNCHKIN!!!!!, any roleplaying game (Pathfinder, DnD, World of Night games, Palladium)
- Occupation
- Stay at home father.
- Story
- Yama was born to the Hida family near the Great Wall. During his youth there were many attacks on the Wall and as such he was inundated into the defence of the land early in life. As soon as he could be of any help, either bringing food and drink or ammunition, he was pressed into service. He did not receive very much schooling, but is well versed in the ways of war and the shadowlands from listening to the veterans of the Wall tell their stories. Many had spent the majority of their lives there, others had left to fight in other wars from time to time. Due to his early exposure to combat and physical labor he has grown large and strong, rivaling the best on the wall in sheer strength and stamina. He earned his first kill of and Oni by the age of Ten, and now finds no greater joy than to stand on the Wall and crush the Oni as they attack.
The only drawback to his upbringing is that he has little knowledge of courtly processes, and does not interact with anyone other than veterans of battle very well. Often this is made even more awkward by the fact that his physical stature places him a head and shoulders above most crowds. Standing 611 and weighing in at 400lbs, he is large even by crab standards. This is where he obtained the nick name Yama which means mountain in Japanese, though he was named Chisai Hana (Little Flower) by his mother, hoping he would find a life at court or anything away from the wall and the harsh life it brings.
- What are you most looking forward to?
- The RP immersion
I am out of prozac and patience, and I have a .357
(translated to fit in with T:LAW)
Be wary, I am lacking both in mood and patience, and my blade is both fast and sharp.
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Your getting on my nerves, leave before I injure your inner child with my fist.
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Dubai: Sachin Tendulkar dropped out of the batting top-10 to be 13th, while pace spearhead Zaheer Khan slipped a spot to 10th in the bowling charts as India's misery in the Test series against Australia reflected in the latest ICC rankings, issued on Sunday.
Outplayed 0-4 in the series that concluded on Saturday, the Indian players saw their individual standings take a beating in the ICC charts.
While Tendulkar slipped to 13th, another senior batsman Rahul Dravid went down three spots to 18th. VVS Laxman was down a couple of positions at 23rd while Virender Sehwag was spot behind him after losing a rung. Sehwag's opening partner Gautam Gambhir also dropped two places to 34th. However, Virat Kohli, the only Indian to score a hundred in the series, gained 17 places to be 50th in the latest list.
Among the bowlers, Zaheer was the only Indian in not just top-10, but also the top-20.
On the other hand, there was good news for the Australian players, who made upward movements. Pacers Peter Siddle, Ryan Harris and off-spinner Nathan Lyon moved up the charts. Siddle, who won the Man-of-the-Match award for his six for 96 in the Adelaide Test, gained two places and is now in fourth position with a career-best rating. Harris's match figures of four for 112 lifted him four places to 22nd, while Lyon's five for 111 earned him nine places, putting him in 43rd position.
Michael Clarke and Ricky Ponting also made big strides in the rankings for Test batsmen. Clarke, who was the Player of the Series against India, moved up seven places to occupy third position. Ponting was the next highest-ranked Australia batsman in 14th position after he climbed eight places following his scores of 221 and 60 not out in Adelaide.
Meanwhile, England must win the Dubai Test to be guaranteed the number-one spot at the April 1 cut-off date while a 3-0 series win for Pakistan will bring them three points closer to India and Australia.
Crafty off-spinner Saeed Ajmal rose one more place and his spin partner Abdur Rehman broke into the top 10 for the first time in his career in the Test rankings for bowlers.
Saeed followed up his 10-97 in the Dubai Test with seven for 130 in the Abu Dhabi Test, which was enough to put him ahead of England's fast bowler James Anderson in second position. The 34-year-old has earned 50 ratings points for this achievement, giving him a career-best rating, and he now leads Anderson by 25 ratings points, but still trails number-one ranked Dale Steyn of South Africa by 84 ratings points.
Rehman, who had figures of two for 67 and six for 25 to win the Man of the Match award in the second Test, jumped five places to ninth spot. This is after 23 years that two Pakistan spinners figure inside the top 10 of the Test player rankings.
Pakistan skipper Misbah-ul Haq also broke into the top 10 for the first time in his career in eighth position, by rising six places following his contributions of 84 and 12.
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A recent article from the state-run China Daily shows how the China government is touting the benefits of investing in the Chongqing economic zones, with the article basically providing a laundry list of the tax incentives and subsidies for companies investing in the region. It comes as no surprise that China is marketing the region through the state-run media, and a recent Digitimes Research report outlines the strategies China's government is using to encourage development of the electronics manufacturing bases in China's central and western regions.
According to the China Daily article, companies that invest in the Chongqing Zone qualify for a favorable tax rate of 15%, compared to the standard 25%, while manufacturing and IT companies also qualify for land incentives, such as subsidies for land purchases, factories. The local government also offers a subsidy (equivalent to 25% of the annual interest rate) on bank loans. Hi-tech firms can also qualify for a grant of up to CNY3 million (US$469,000) after a year of operation.
According to Digitimes Research, China's recently published 12th Five Year Plan clearly states the government's intention to address the neglect of the central and western regions, while expanding domestic markets and reforming the country's existing industrial strategy.
Government initiatives are not limited to the tax breaks and subsidies listed in the article. Digitimes Research outlines how transport infrastructure is gradually being put in place and that central and western regions will be the most important manufacturing sites for the coming decade. The electronics industry has by no means been excluded from this trend, with some major notebook manufacturers already sourcing a significant proportion of their shipments from Chongqing and Chengdu, the major cities in the central and western regions.
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Zippy Turkey and Rice
- 1 cup uncooked brown rice
- 1 pound lean ground turkey
- 1 large onion, chopped
- 1 can (14-1/2 ounces) diced tomatoes with mild green chilies, undrained
- 2/3 cup picante sauce
- 2 teaspoons chili powder
- 2 teaspoons ground cumin
- 1 can (16 ounces) kidney beans, rinsed and drained
- 1 cup shredded reduced-fat cheddar cheese, divided
- 1. Cook rice according to package directions.
- 2. Meanwhile, in a large nonstick skillet, cook turkey and onion over medium heat until meat is no longer pink; drain. Stir in the tomatoes, picante sauce, chili powder and cumin; heat though. Remove from the heat, stir in kidney beans, 1/2 cup cheese and cooked rice.
- 3. Transfer to a 13x9-in. baking dish coated with cooking spray.
- 4. Cover and bake at 350° for 30 minutes. Uncover; sprinkle with remaining cheese. Bake 5-10 minutes longer or until cheese is melted.
Nutrition Facts
1-1/4 cups: 294 calories, 9g fat (3g saturated fat), 55mg cholesterol, 593mg sodium, 35g carbohydrate (6g sugars, 5g fiber), 20g protein. Diabetic Exchanges: 3 lean meat, 1-1/2 starch, 1 vegetable.
Dec 31, 1969
After reading the reviews below, I made some adjustments to the recipe to give it more flavor. I sautéed garlic with the turkey and onions. I also added a small can of green chilies, one jalapeño and some frozen corn to the mixture. I also used a hot picante sauce.
It was so flavorful and definitely a keeper.
Sep 24, 2010
We thought this was rather bland and ended up adding a lot of salt. We do like our food spicy, though...so maybe this just wasn't a good fit for us.
Jun 20, 2010
This recipe was very good, and even better with an extra spoonful of picante sauce on top and a small dollop of lite sour cream.
Jun 6, 2010
This is an amazing dish with just the right amount of kick for your taste buds. Very flavorful!! I have four kids & one doesn't do well with spicy foods, so I added a dollup of sour cream just before serving to cool the spice some for her and it actually gave the dish another level of flavor. Try it!!


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Mixed methods research is becoming increasingly more popular amongst researchers conducting basic research as well as amongst reviewers combining evidence from quantitative, qualitative or mixed-method research papers in their systematic reviews. In this contribution we will present a framework, developed by researchers from the Centre for Methodological Research, KU Leuven, to perform mixed method systematic reviews. There are at least 18 different mixed methods designs that can be opted for. Some of them will be illustrated with an already published or hypothetical example of a systematic review.


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12 July 2008
Frasers Part 4: Losing Your Census
This is a four-part whine for the benefit of the uninitiated who may have the slightest curiosity about why we are crazy.
(1) The old seignory of Argenteuil in Quebec measured 54,000 acres. Development first began about 1800 at St. Andrews village and the agricultural area around it. Early provincial surveyor Joseph Bouchette's A Topographical Dictionary of the Province of Lower Canada (1832) informs us that 520 farm lots had been created in the vicinity, and the village at the time of the 1831 census had a population of 2,550. Genealogically speaking, this is not an overly large pool in which to trace several Fraser families, even when we add on nearby Lachute and other growing settlements. Even better, there are early census returns and church registers filling the period from about 1800 to 1850.
Map courtesy of the Comte d'Argenteuil's website at www.comte-argenteuil.com/ and likely derived from M. Bouchette. I love this map. I am so happy M. le Comte put this on his website.
Nevertheless, my question du jour is why on earth have I found so many stray Frasers in a fifty year period? Twenty of them, and still counting! Strays are those pesky people who turn up, usually once! ... with no apparent link to the families being studied. They don't fit. I would like them to fit. Some of them are Scottish-born immigrants who could be siblings or cousins and could possibly shed light on the overseas connection. "Family reconstitution" is a familiar phrase in this genealogy business. Sigh. It involves attempting to reconstruct ancestral "nuclear" families and in this case must embrace at least the last generation born in Scotland.
(2) Three important, early census returns exist for the seignory of Argenteuil. They are for 1825, 1831 and 1842. Counting all three, there are nine Fraser households, some of whom are mine. Nine men are named as the heads of households in those three periods. That's the good news. This is typical of Canadian census returns prior to 1851—only the "heads" are named. But within those household statistics the real total is 73 Frasers. So you see the bad news ... no names for the other 64 children, grandchildren, aged parents, mothers-in-law, uncle, nephew, and strays like farm workers and domestic help.
The government does provide column after column of statistics for each household. Sometimes the columns extend for pages. Imagine trying to follow say John Fraser on line 31 across four or six pages of numbers when the heading on each column is out of sight, or it's in French, or a large ink blot obscures what you want. Trust me, even the enumerators got confused. Household totals and the age categories for individuals (e.g. "over the age of six and under the age of fourteen") are frequently off-kilter. Wouldn't it have been a lot easier just to name each person in the house?
A tiny example of identifying each family goes something like this. One John Fraser might be recorded as having four children under the age of six, three of them girls. We try to match this household with a John Fraser who probably had daughters born before 1825 but after 1818. More or less. If the church registers have baptism records back that far. Or if they fit with adult daughters in later censuses. If none of them succumbed to infant mortality in the meantime.
(3) Here is a characteristic Highland Scots complaint. My Frasers wanted to call all their sons John, James and Alexander, etc. And their daughters Ann/Nancy, Elizabeth and Mary, etc. The sons and daughters all had children and of course used the same names. Soon we have four or five Nancys and Johns born within a few years. One would expect the later census returns that do name all members in a family/household would help untangle this. But did they all stay at home? No! Inevitably they go to visit Fraser cousins or work for an uncle or care for a grandparent just when the census-taker was at hand. Today's researcher is left wondering is that Alex's John or John's John? John's Nancy or James' Nancy? So you can be darn sure of the chaos by the time the third generation arrived.
(4) Why is the page with *MY* Nancy missing in the 1861 census?!
4 comments:
- CallieK said...
I know this was written some time ago but I instantly identified with your post. I have my own missing Fraser/Frazer that may or may not connect with your. I'm searching for more info on Elizabeth Fraser ( or Frazer) who married the equally elusive Archibald McVicar in Grenville, Aug 11 1850. They later resided in Brownsburg and are both buried in Lachute. Her father may ( or may not ) be the John Fraser of Banffshire that you eliminated from your family. I would love to connect with you because it seems you have very detailed info of the Fraser name in the area that I am researching and maybe able to shed some light on some of the inconsistancies I'm running into.
- Sunday, 20 December, 2009
- BDM said...
Hi Callie! Good to hear from you. Let's connect in the New Year: brendadougallmerriman at gmail.com. I will have to review what I've collected about 'other' Frasers (an unfinished project).
- Monday, 21 December, 2009
Brenda, I got chills when I ran across your blog and saw the surname Fraser and Campbell used in conjunction with Argenteuil but I soon realized that you were related to one of the "other" Fraser lines from the area. Like you, I can not find my husband's line listed in the 1861 census, as well, even though they show up in the 1852 and 1871 census.
My husband's Fraser line includes:
Donald FRASER 1792 – 1876
Christinia "Christy"CAMPBELL 1795–1889 and their children:
Alexander FRASER 1830 – Catherine Fraser 1832 –
Mary Fraser 1835 –
Colin FRASER 1837 – 1908
The 1841 Scotland census has them living in Gleneg-Inverness-shire and they emigrated to Glengary, Ontario around 1847 and then to Harrington, Quebec around 1849.
Perhaps our lines cross in Scotland. Have enjoyed reading what you have posted. Cyndi Fraser
- Monday, 12 July, 2010
- BDM said...
Thanks for the comment, Cyndi. I've been away for a while. I don't see a connection here with your origins in Glenelg but it's always good to be aware of the same surname around the vicinity. Best wishes,
- Sunday, 15 August, 2010


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