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The Supernatural (OOC)
November 05, 2009, 04:37:11 pm »
Long post is long. Question, let me know like asap. plzandthankyou
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1. No L337 speak. I hates it.
2. Be kind to everyone. Even if your character doesnt like the persons character, nice words are nice.
One sentence posts are a no no.
Write at least three sentences, plzandthnkyou
4. Round characters are round. No God-modding, etc
5. Do something stupid, you will die. If you dont want to play, then Ill kill off your character.
6. Game is past tense and third person. No I, me, we, etc.
7. There will be NPCs, but I will try to be there when your character interacts with them.
8. You will know when your character is approved when I add it to the first page.
: This is Saint City, a place where humans and the Supernatural reside. However, humans dont really notice the beings walking around the city. The vast city is littered with crime and drugs. Some of the Supernatural beings decided to live mortal lives to help with the escalating crime rate. (However, they are known to use their supernatural powers.) Whereas some use their powers to help the humans, others use it to control the crime in the city and kill them. More and more supernatural beings are controlling the crime and drugs in this city. There has been no war, but the ones that are helping the humans feel it coming. Most of the Supernatural beings have their own problems and refuse to meddle with mortal affairs. They have their own problems to deal with; the main problem is making sure that no humans know about their own lives. Vampires want to expose the Supernaturals to the humans, but others do not agree. There is a small council with one of each species to decide this fate, but they never agree about anything. With the escalating war at hand, young recruits have to decide if they are for or against the war. Whichever you choose, it alters the fate of what happens to Saint City.
- They are a strange group. They have small packs in the city (3-5), whereas in the country, they have larger packs (up to 20). The country werewolves are more docile and friendlier than their city counterparts. Most of the werewolves in the pack have lived for quite some time. They are able to transform at will, but their strength is more powerful under the full moon. New werewolves are unable to control their transformation and they only transform at the full moon. For wolves, it takes a couple hundred of years to get the transformation down correctly. Wolves have a strong sense of smell, strength, and loyalty to new and old members. Even if they are apart of different packs, wolves will converse lightly and enjoy each others company. Most Werewolves become police officers to help out with the crime.
: Better senses and loyalty to those you meet. Have a light temperament and will not be provoked easily. They also are able to heal pretty fast.
: If you decide to become a Werewolf, you can have three other NPCs as your packmates, or you can be a lone wolf. It is up to you. Also, if you want to join a pack, let me or the person who made the pack know and we can get rid of one of our NPCs to add you into the pack instead. Or we can add you during the story.
: They are the more aristocratic of the Supernatural. They require human blood. They sometimes go to a blood bank to get their fill, but it doesnt satisfy them. They are arrogant and they think other Supernatural beings are not worthy of their presence. The werewolves and vampires dont really get along, but keep a small alliance and keep the peace to keep the cities quiet. Vampires are known to keep large covens and dont usually want to convert anyone. They only convert when they feel it is necessary. Their senses are high and they have incredible speed. Like werewolves, Vampires are able to control their time in the sun. Older vampires are not able to go out into the sun, but younger vampires are able to walk around in the sun with ease. The older the vampire, the shorter they are able to sit out in the sun. Most Vampires will not meddle with humans and keep with themselves.
: Speed and the ability to transform into a bat. They are quick minded and they are more materialistic than the other Supernatural beings. They have a healing factor, but it takes a long days rest for any wound to heal.
: You can make a couple of NPCs to act as your coven. Though they are large, just let me know that you are going to add some. If others want to join your Coven, let me know and we can work something out. It shouldnt be that hard and it would be much easier than the Werewolf counter parts.
: They are the most useless of the Supernatural beings. They are at the bottom of the totem pole with the Blob people. Skeletons are the most active in the supernatural community and are loners. They are able to bounce from group to group without getting hurt. They have skin to protect themselves from humans, but they are not prone to ever wear them. They are nice leeches to society and provide much information if given the right price. Also, if punched hard enough, their bones will scatter, but will return to their owners.
: Immunity from other Supernatural beings. If one loses bones, and they are not returned, they are able to replace bones from cemeteries, where they usually hang out.
: Shapeshifters are prone to shift into one or two Supernatural beings. They are able to blend in so well that no Supernatural beings are able to tell the difference. Shapeshifters take pride in their shifting abilities and the ways they confuse the others. They use this to their advantage and kill when they have the opportunity. Shapeshifters are ones that kill for fun instead of necessity. They are the most blood lusted out of all the Supernatural beings. They are able to have the same abilities as the ones they shift into, but they only have a third of the power of the person they are shifting into.
: Becomes powerful through blood lusts. They are also able to change into one or two supernatural beings. Some heard that some older Shapeshifters are able to do three or more, but this is very rare.
: Doppelgangers are ones that have the same looks and personality as someone else. They are able to connect with the ones that they mimic. It is hard to know which is the real person and which is the Doppelganger. Doppelgangers are usually the ones that are more evil than the actual person. However, there are times where the Doppelganger is the good person; though this is very rare. The Doppelganger who are like their Supernatural counterparts, but Doppelgangers are able to have full power.
: Doppelgangers are like Shapeshifters, but more powerful. They are able to gain the powers of the person that they have the same personality to. However, since they have the Supernatural powers, they lose some of their life. They are not immortal, but they age slower than actual mortals. However, if they use their supernatural powers of their counterpart, they age a little bit faster than they should.
: Demons are the children of Satan. They are able to communicate with Satan and do his bidding. They are usually the ones who are the Grim Reaper for the living mortals in town. They play games with the Supernatural beings because they know that they cannot kill them. Demons are able to communicate with each other telepathically and are sometimes loners. However, they are trouble makers and they try their best to expose the humans to the Supernatural beings as much as possible. Werewolves and Shapeshifters usually work together to kill the Demons.
: Telepathic communication with other Demons and Satan. They are trouble makers, however, if they are captured and killed, they are known to respawn, but they wont remember their past life.
: Demons are quick on their feet and they will not take no for an answer. Not only do they hurt the Beings, they also hurt themselves when they expose their nature to the humans. Some Demons can be good and peaceful, but once again, rare in their species. If a good Demon is found, they are usually hunted by their own kind and killed off as to not hurt their reputation.
Blob People
: Blob people come in many different colours. Their colours represent where they grew up. Red means the city, Blue is by the ocean, Green in the country, and Orange by the mountains. Blob people are at the bottom of the totem with Skeletons. They are peaceful beings and do not want conflict. However, if provoked, they are known to devour their victims whole. The time it takes to digest is about three days. The victim will suffer each day. Blob people keep to the sewers because they are not able to control their massive bodies and do not like being judged by Supernatural beings and humans.
: Blob people dont get hurt easily. Usually they devour anything that comes in contact with their bodies. Blob people are kind and gentle beings, and if a Supernatural being comes in contact with Blob people, they are usually met with hospitality.
: Blobs know the city like the back of their hand. Most of the Supernatural beings that have become cops will often visit the communities below to help them out. Usually bring food and supplies to the Blob people in exchange for rumours on the streets and what have you.
: They are the Sorcerers for the Skeleton people. They conjure up spells for the Skeletons to make sure that they are heard. When they are not heard, Liches rise up to talk with the Vampires or the Demons. Liches are more prone to help with Demons and the Blob People since none of the other Beings seem to acknowledge them. Liches have a problem with the living in general and will do whatever it takes to wipe the living off the Earth. They are powerful, but not as powerful as Warlocks or Witches.
: Liches are sorcerers and like their Skeleton kin, they hang out in cemeteries. They tend to conjure up the dead when it is necessary. They dont tend to do it often, but they will do it for a price. They also can make potions and conjure spells like their human counterparts.
: They usually tend to the other Supernatural beings and regular humans. They are able to hide in the open with no fear from the humans. They are usually disguised as a Psychic shop or something in between. Their stores hardly get any customers, but they make their businesses with the Supernaturals. Warlocks or Witches tend to know if one is a Supernatural when they cross the threshold of their businesses. Warlocks and Witches are known to give potions to the Supernaturals and to help them when needed. They are good at tracking other Supernaturals. They are not able to raise the dead like Liches, however.
: They are trackers for the Supernaturals. They can cast spells and make potions for them. They are able to hide in the open and keep their true identity. They arent mortal, but some have figured out spells to live longer than they should.
: (In this description, you will let me know if you work for the mortals or not. Its okay if you dont want to, I just need to know.)
RP Sample
My Character
: Jory Stevens (aka Kota to her packmates)
: 450 (looks like shes 20)
: Werewolf
: Female
: She helps with the Saint City Police Department. She was recently promoted to Detective and is helping in every way she can to stop the crime wave happening in her city. When she is working, she wears black slacks, boots, and a button up red shirt with an amour vest, and jacket. When she is off duty, she wears jeans, red chucks, t-shirt, and jacket. She has brown hair that end at her shoulders, and green eyes. She has a bite mark on her right arm and claw marks on her back from her attack all those years ago.
: Jory was born as Josephine Wallace in 1539. She was the daughter of a merchant in England. She was about to marry another young merchant to build her fathers business. One night, however, when she was going to meet her new fiancé but was attacked during the full moon. Left for dead, she awoke the next morning with no recollection of the night before or who she was. She was healed from her wounds, which left three horrible scars on her back and the bite mark on her arm to this day. She took off and left without another word. Upon learning of the transformation of the full moon, she didnt know what was going on. Thats when she met Rollo and Togo. She told them she had no name or recollection of her past life. Rollo gave her the name Kota. Shortly after, they met with Pollux and together, they embarked to the New World.
There, they settled and tried to live normal lives and blend in. Rollo gave Josephine a new name; Jory Stevens as her now human name. Jory took it with pride upon having a human name once more. The pack has been through quite a lot together and lately, Pollux has been trying to take the Alpha spot, but cannot defeat Rollo for this. Kota and Togo would sit on the sidelines to watch them fight and Togo would ask Kota if she would like to find a mate. Kota agreed that she would like to, but it would never be Pollux. Togo agreed and said that they would find her a mate. Kota hasnt found a good suitor, but she keeps trying. She now works for the Police Department in Saint City and enjoys her job very much. She is loyal to everyone there and she quickly rose in the ranks and became a Detective in a couple of years, where it would talk a human a few years. She has a partner named Gerry McDonald. They have worked together for three years now. She wants to tell him her secret, but Rollo refuses to give her permission to do so. Lately, she has begun to remember her past life, but the dreams are few and far between. She wants to know more, but she cannot look up her lineage until she can remember her real name.
: She is a quiet and timid person. She is loyal to the police force and she is also loyal to her small pack. They live together in a decent sized apartment. There is only four of them in total. She is the youngest of the pack and she takes order from her Alpha, Rollo.
NPCs (Jorys Packmates)
: Roger Allens (aka Rollo): Rollo is the leader of the pack. He is an outspoken and kind leader to his pack. He is the eldest of the pack, but he doesnt let them know this. He has a traumatizing past from the alliance with the Vampires, who killed his last pack. To this day, he doesnt trust Vampires, but he will help them out if they need it. However, there are times where he will have angered outbursts on his pack when they do not follow.
Alpha Female
Susannah Allens (aka Togo): The wife to Rollo since the early 15th century. She acts like a mediator when Rollo and Beta, Astor fight. She sides with Rollo always, but she is the mother figure for Jory and Astor, who act like brother and sister. She met Rollo when he was getting revenge on the Vampires who killed his original pack. She brought him back to the light and made sure that he doesnt kill randomly like he used to.
: Astor Kowalski (aka Pollux): Became apart of the family in the late 16th century alongside Jory. Though, with different names back then, Astor and Jory seemed to get along quite well with each other because of their werewolf abilities. They like to tease each other, but they will never mate because they see each other as brother and sister than anything else. Pollux usually fights with the Alpha male because he is waiting for the day to become leader of the pack, but Alpha always states that Pollux isnt ready for the responsibility and it angers Pollux. However, Pollux will continue to follow Rollo even though he doesnt agree with him.
Jory Stevens played by Me!
Thomas Kelvin
played by HK-47
Charles Gonzales
played by HK-47
Max Monroe
played by Sammich!
played by Railon
Archibold Cornweather
played by Raryn
Shelton Brint
played by Boomstick
Talus- Skeleton
Michael- Vampire
Glub- Homeless man
Johns- Blob man
Last Edit: December 04, 2009, 12:44:35 am by Hailfax
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 05, 2009, 08:06:03 pm »
Name: Mackenzie "Max" Monroe
Age: 245 (appears to be in his mid-to-late 20s)
Species: Vampire
Gender: Male
Max stands at 6' 4", weighing around 205lbs. He has an athletic build and is well-muscled, though not much. When moving about he usually wears a leather jacket.
Max was born in 1764, in Pennsylvania. His father, Jacob, was an artist and his mother, Gretchen, a musician. He was well-off in his early life--not rich, but not poor. His parents loved him dearly. His father was a bit strange, spending long hours reading in his room. "He's a bit of a mystic," Gretchen would tell Max. "Never even lets me into his shelf of books."
The Revolutionary War began when Max was 11, and his life changed around forever. After an attack on their town by the British, they were forced to flee and find a safe place to exist. They found an abandoned house away from the cities and hoped for the best. So they lived in poverty, traveling to nearby areas for necessities now and then. The British passed their way a few times, but due to the decor of their home they believed it to be empty. They escaped the eyes of the British until Max was 16...
At first they thought the soldiers were drunk as they entered their home. They were salivating and grinning, in almost predatory stances. Their guns weren't drawn. Gretchen ran to the back room while Jacob got his rifle. He shot one of the men, but it did nothing. Jacob was then knocked across the room, where he lay motionless. Max charged at them and was disposed of easily, sent through the window of the house.
Max awoke to the sound of screaming. The house was ablaze, fire pouring from each window. Max saw his father stumble from the carnage, holding his mother. She was dead, a hole gouged nearly through her entire neck.
It turned out that the soldiers were Vampires, and they, being young and rowdy, had decided to have a little fun. But they didn't know they would enter the house of an ex-Vampire Hunter. Jacob had opened a cupboard filled with stakes, then rid his house of the hungry men. This was after they had killed Gretchen and were ready to continue their work.
Jacob, with the falling of his life, decided it was time to continue the work he had halted a long time ago. After the war ended, he and Max became Vampire Hunters. This was when Jacob was filled in on the other inhabitants of the world. Years went by and others joined them so that their numbers increased to about 15--they called themselves The Red Justice. As time went by, however, some members were killed or turned--the latter was heartbreaking, for it wasn't easy killing a friend. Max had his share of close calls as well, but then there was the day...
The Red Justice were raiding a house that had been around for centuries. They heard stories of people seeing the same man there for many years, far more than should be possible. People passed it off as similar-looking family members, but TRJ new better. When searching through the house--the Vampire was too old and so stayed in the darkest reaches of the house until the dead of night--Max went off on his own. He was a bit stubborn, thinking more of himself than he should have. This was the death of him. For he found the cellar and entered, coming face to face with the creature. He or she--it was hard to tell due to its monstrous appearance--seemed malnourished and very hungry. It went in for the kill, sinking its teeth into Max's neck. Before it could finish, it was knocked away and shot through the heart with a burning arrow. It immediately exploded into flames, it being too old to take the fire. Max turned to see his father staring at him in horror.
Jacob tried to hide his son's Vampirism for a while, but soon it began to show. One night, while everyone was sleeping, Max awoke and left, afraid he might turn on his friends and father. That was the last time he saw any of them. He became a full vampire soon after.
He traveled for part of the rest of his years, working as an artist. He settled down in Louisiana and, after the art of tattooing was discovered, became a tattoo artist. He married a woman named Mary. After a few years he had to leave her again because she was beginning to suspect him of being a Vampire, and he was having a hard time resisting the urge to feed on her. He met other vampires and learned from them, but he never felt like kin, especially due to their way of life. He spent many years feeding on humans, and he hated himself because of it. To become the thing he had hunted for years, and to be made to kill was something he couldn't bare. He tried suicide countless times, but he was too afraid to pull it off. After blood became easier to get a hold of, through packets and the like, he had an easier time. He began to regret his days of hunting Vampires, because they were misunderstood and it took becoming one to understand this.
Max traveled to Saint City after the people of Baton Rouge, Louisiana began to wonder about him. He lives there now, working as a tattoo artist still. He turned down many offers to join a Coven, and so he is looked down upon by the other Vampires. But he doesn't care, as long as he can live in peace. He prefers not to speak much of his past, but if you pry enough he'll tell you a bit about it just so you'll leave him alone.
Personality: Max tries to do everything he can to not fall into the Vampire stereotype; he was once a good man, and then things became different. He is kind and tries to be gentle instead of harsh in his ways. But he can't help what he is, so there are times when his anger gets the best of him and he ends up doing something he regrets. This is why, when not working, he tries not to stay around too many humans--for their sake, not his. Because of this, he is a bit introverted. He also doesn't hang around with most of the other vampires due to their...ways. He has, however, made friends with most of the other species, especially Werewolves and Blob People. Due to him remembering the days before his Vampirism, and believing that life to be better than his current one, he has no issue towards humans and sees them as equals. He has a bit of an old-fashioned way of speaking.
RP Sample:
"Um...What's wrong?"
Max stared at the droplet of blood on the girl's back. After a few seconds, he looked up at her. "Oh, n-nothing. It appears my mind began to wonder. My apologies."
"Alright, whatever...Can you finish this up, please? I have a date at 4." The girl said, turning her head back to the tattooing bed. "And you don't look so well. You should eat something."
Max nodded, saying nothing, and continued on her tattoo. All the while he tried his best not to draw any blood; he hadn't had a single drop in two days and was nearly famished. He would have to feed after work.
The tattoo was finished and the girl, very happy with the art on her back, left. Max headed to the front room of the store, which was darkened. He sat down and put his feet up, staring at the wall in thought. How many years had he been doing this? With his experience in the field he should have started a large business. But, no...He was happier out of sight, nowhere near the spotlight.
Last Edit: November 06, 2009, 11:48:50 pm by Sammich!
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 05, 2009, 08:56:58 pm »
I'm not entirely sure what the Blob People look like.
Are they humanoid, actual blobs, or can they change shape?
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 05, 2009, 09:01:46 pm »
Clayface is what I pictured. And I also pictured the blob thing from Futurama.
But, I think Clayface is what I will go with. They can make themselves humanlike, but they will never be able to pass off as humans.
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 05, 2009, 10:36:58 pm »
Also, how do the Demons look?
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 05, 2009, 10:45:50 pm »
I'm thinking Imp-like. I mean, with the horns, jagged teeth, pointy ears, and claw like fingers. They can somewhat hide and blend with humans, but the humans will find you disfigured or horrible looking (Judging LOUDLY). Demons can hide their horns from the humans and their ears. Most demons have a skewed eye colour (like yellow or orange) that separates them from humans. However, some demons use contact lenses to hide their demon selves from both Beings and Humans.
I hoped I answered you. DX
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 12:32:06 am »
Aye, ye did...
...Damn. Now I don't want to be a Demon. Screws up the character I had planned...I must think on this...
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 12:37:38 am »
Awwwwww....I sorree. ;A;
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 12:38:15 am »
XD No worries. I'll figure something out.
EDIT: Decided to go with Vampire. Luckily it didn't change much in his bio. Time to write...
Last Edit: November 06, 2009, 05:23:58 pm by Sammich!
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 06:38:20 pm »
One more thing, what does a shapeshifter's base form look like?
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 06:48:22 pm »
I think that will be up to you on how they look like. It's a "no one knows" kinda deal. Same goes for Doppelgangers.
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 07:09:32 pm »
Edited my bio. What age is considered a young vampire? I'll need to know that before I make his history.
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 08:19:39 pm »
Name: Charles Gonzales
Age: Unknown
Species: Shapeshifter
Gender: Male
Description: 6'8" 202 lbs, Lanky/slim body. Black shoulder length hair, slightly messy with bangs in the front, dark brown eyes.Wears dark denim jeans and a black shirt, large black coat down to his knees and occasionally a black and gray poncho, black sunglasses. Nearly flawless teeth.
Background: Being a young shapeshifter, Charles can't always keep his blood lust under control. The more people he is around, humans specifically, the more difficult it is to keep it in control. Neither could he keep all his thoughts in one place, as if there is someone else in his head. He doesn't know why there is an extra voice in his head, but knows it's been there for a while (That's what it told him). He doesn't remember much from his past, apart from what the voice tells him, and he can't always trust what it says. In the near present, he tries to keep to himself in the noon hour (To prevent from lashing out in public if his blood lust rises) but roams around in the shadows particularly in the dusk to dawn period. As far back as he can remember, his sleeping pattern is scattered and un-regulated. He lives in a small apartment in a moderate crime-rate part of the city, so the killings he does warrant less attention than if he were in a suburban area. As well as a person of his personality and look fits in there.
Personality: Constantly murmurs to himself, as if he's in a one sided conversation. His erratic behavior shows occasionally, but for the most part, he can keep it in check in public or more specifically in large crowds. He knows that eyes can tell a lot about a person, so he tries to wear sunglasses whenever he's out. In most events, he can act irrationally (Depending if the voice intervenes and it's motives) and unless he gets hurt or is threatened greatly, does he actually stop to think and formulate a plan. At times, he can be talkative but will suddenly shut up. Other times, he might not say as much but have a malevolent look if his blood lust starts to rise.
What I have so far.
Last Edit: November 28, 2009, 12:43:32 am by HK-47
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 08:42:27 pm »
Quote from: Sammich! on November 06, 2009, 07:09:32 pm
Edited my bio. What age is considered a young vampire? I'll need to know that before I make his history.
In the No more than 200 years. I would go and explain something about my version of vampire, but I am far too tired and lazy to do so.
@ HK: Lookin' good so far.
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Re: The Supernatural (OOC)
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November 06, 2009, 08:49:52 pm »
Sweet. That works nicely.
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Charlottesville named 'dream' city
As if we weren't already full of ourselves and concerned enough about increasing traffic, TheStreet, an online financial magazine that's been around since 1996, named Charlottesville one of ten cities that embody the American Dream. In addition to being history-rich, walkable (thanks to the Downtown Mall and our bus system), and a business-friendly place with good schools and natural beauty, food and drink gave us an edge. Most notably were the "bars and college-food greasetraps in The Corner district," the wineries that line the Blue Ridge Parkway, and our budding "Brew Ridge Trail" with the likes of Blue Mountain Brewery, Devil's Backbone, South Street, Starr Hill, and a newbie in Nelson called Wild Wolf. Oh, there's a shout-out to our music, book, and film festivals as well, which "keep the city awake and alive for much of the year."
Okay, now it's time for a nap.
58 comments
are they counting all the homeless around and the panhandlers with their artistic hand made signs glowing at the Downtown Mall?, we did not have those before, come and enjoy it!!,
joseph, if you think it sucks so bad, why don't you move somewhere else? The rest of us like it here.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahhahahahhah boy thats is aload of crap!
Business friendly, WTF? Who ever wrote this article calling Cville business friendly should tak to one of my 14 laid off employees. Why do they sit at home? We wait for local and state government bureaucrats to finish their fight over which one has authority over our license. The fact there is a license from the state on my wall apparently is not good enough for the local bumblers. So while I pay rent and my staff sits at home for the eigth day I must have overlooked the wonders of Cville.
a pipe dream..........
and certainly full of something.......
just remember this- an oldie,but a goodie.....
"politicians are like diapers, they all need changing from time to time, and uaually for the same reason"..........
The dream of drunken homeless louts who sleep at the Haven and beg on the mall.
Charlottesville is "business friendly"??? Somebody IS dreaming.
The article at The Street doesn't talk about Charlottesville as being "business-friendly." It refers to the low unemployment rate and the fact that the University continues to generate economic activity.
why wen something positive is said about our city everyone has to turn it into a negative?
As cvillelaw pointed out, the original article at The Street doesn't say a thing about Cville being "business friendly." Those words don't appear anywhere in the article. Dave McNair took it upon himself to put words in the article's mouth. And then from there, people like Drooling Elmo are jumping all over it. Obviously Drooling Elmo is upset over his/her licensing situation, but really, let this be a lesson to always **check for yourself before firing off self righteously indignant posts. Don't just take somebody else's word for it that something was said or written.** It's not just Drooling Elmo though. You see this everywhere in society, since the beginning of time probably. People hear something, they read something.....and they just automatically believe it. They don't bother to research things for themselves. Witch hunts have happened based on exactly that same thing: hearsay and innuendo. That was 400 years ago. When will people smarten up? All you had to do was click on the article and see it for yourself. Just because "Dave McNair, Reporter at the Hook" paraphrased things in his description doesn't mean it was even remotely accurate.
I don't for one minute believe the enemployment rate in Charlottesville is only 5%.
Charlottesville is far from perfect, but take it from someone who has lived all over this country, from Maine to California (literally), it is pretty livable. A city where homelessness, or more accurately, how to better accommodate them, and traffic are major topics should consider itself fairly fortunate. I have a brother in Fresno,California...that state and many of it's municipalities are going bankrupt, and they are like the 8th largest economy in the world. We certainly have problems, but expensive cocktails and rents aren't a sign of a collapsing society, they are signs of a healthy economy. Take your blessings where you can get them. Everything is relative.
yeah people here are f'ing crazy if they don't think c'ville is a great place indeed. I would strongly encourage them to get out and see the world a little bit. people just like to bitch sometimes.
"We certainly have problems, but expensive cocktails and rents aren't a sign of a collapsing society, they are signs of a healthy economy."
That's a silliest thing I have heard from you. So Wall Street is doing well and can afford LOTS of expensive cocktails. I guess that means the economy is doing well. Albemarle/Charlottesville is notorious for low wages, yet a very high cost of living. Like on a national level basis, there is plenty of largess to hand out to the very poor, or the very wealthy, but those in between have to suck it up, and get little for their pains but useless dams and public housing, and lots of cliche venues. The County finances are in terrible shape, which is why they want to dump their expenses on the City. Yeah, the service sector is so well known for its high paying jobs, isn't it? The remaining real industry in this area has been sucked out like every other producing job. Spare us all, please, would you?
@ Old Timer...yeah that only happens here ;-) Sadly, that's the way of the world. The economy doesn't work for everyone anywhere. I work for a living, and just get by myself. The rent I pay for a nice room would have rented an apartment with utilities in a lot of places I've been (hell, it's more than my last mortgage). That said, I would still argue that there is a long, long list of places that have it worse than us.
Perhaps my statement was a bit flippant, oversimplifying a problem we all face. If you know of a place where that isn't the case, I be happy to hear about it...and start packing for the promised land, lol. Peace.
@ Dave McNair
"A city where more people are gainfully employed strikes me as being business friendly."
You're linking two separate things here.
Being employed benefits the one being employed............but it doesn't necessarily equate to being "business friendly" for those doing the employing, as cvillelaw's post aptly demonstrated.
That's great that there's low unemployment here, but it doesn't mean everybody who's employed here is A) Self employed, running their own business, or B) employed within the 10.4 square miles that encompasses the city of Charlottesville. They could be employed in any of the surrounding regions, and as I've come to discover, there's definitely people in central Virginia that make 40-50 mile commutes to get to work somewhere else in the area.
So if anything, a low unemployment rate only goes to show that there's a high quality of living in this area, a good chance at finding jobs. (Although some would find that debatable I'm sure. There's always somebody to argue some point.) But, it doesn't mean the 10.4 square miles known as the City of Charlottesville is "business friendly" for business owners, or that the low unemployment rate means everybody here is gainfully (self) employed. For starters, the #1 prime spot of real esate in Cville, aka, the Downtown Mall, is too high for many shop owners to keep up with. As soon as business slows, even if it only dips for a couple of months, boom, that's it for some of these places.
But all that aside, I do like Cville. I think the people here a lot of times are self righteous and full of themselves, no doubt about it, they take themselves WAY too seriously, but I've lived all around the country and I have that basis of comparison of what else is out there. There's pros and cons to any area in this country (economy/job opportunities; geographic location; climate, geology, and potential for weather/natural disasters; demographic make up; aesthetics of how the city/town looks, etc.) but so far the pros still outweigh the cons for Cville, for me. It's small, yeah, there's no ocean, yeah, it's not nearly as bustling as south Florida or SoCal, yeah, there's no real "city" here to speak of, yeah, the whole rich obnoxious UVa culture grates on my nerves, yeah, and there's a negative racial history here that I've never experienced in any of the other places I've lived.....but, it has a lot of other pros that those other area don't have. (and let's face it, the rich obnoxious UVa culture is what mostly makes this town, whether we like it or not. Remove UVa and there wouldn't be a Cville as we know it, because everything else centers around it.) And as I grow older, those other pros become more and more important to me, enough so that I could never go back to living in those other areas. If I ever decided I've had enough of Cville, I'm not sure where else I would go in this economic climate. If this was years ago I could think of a list a mile long of alternate choices, but in this post-crash world......not so much.
Wealthy people from (you name it...) move here for the "nice" house at a lower cost. Those of us in the middle class here may have to move to Waynesboro to have the "nice" house at a lower cost. It is "nice" here but the $215K house on the Waynesboro golf course vs. the cottage here is very tempting.
If you want to see a fair accounting of the dichotomy that is Charlottesville, in a microcosm, take a look at the documentary "The Parking Lot Movie" filmed almost entirely on the lot behind The Corner. It's available as a streaming title on Netflix.
I'm convinced there's something in the local water supply, as an ungodly proportion of the C-ville population is utterly full of $h!t. This fascinating little no-budget documentary captures that essential truth.
Charlottesville a dream? Dream on....
when ever I go to other towns and look around I think, "man I wish I was in Charlottesville!"
Then I go home, and yes, it's in charlottesville
I love Charlottesville. I'll love it even more when I get my spiffy new northern bypass too!!!
A few facts . . .
Over 27% of City residents live below the state poverty level. Is that dreamy?
City would be totally unaffordable if the Revenue Sharing arrangement didn't exist. May be a dream for the City, but it's a financial nightmare for the County. Oh let's re-brick the mall . . . maybe pick up another sister city . . . City spends like drunken sailors. Exactly what do they do for the 27% who try to subsist? Warehouse them in scarce, substandard housing and provide no viable employment opportunities.
Both City and County suffer from an overabundance of arrogance and self-importance.
Customer service is almost non-existent in Cville. Yeah, go visit other cities and see how you're treated there compared to here.
UVA is an 800-lb gorilla and perpetual bully. Bottomless UVA arrogance colors everything in this community.
Place is a real paradox, not a dream!
I think Mark Twain commenting on the conceit of American provincial towns said something to the effect that the earth revolves around an axis which is located in the town square of every American small town. I find that sentiment abundantly represented in this town, yet when traveling outside Virginia I have difficulty explaining to people exactly where Charlottesville is.
Seems like some obscure publication informs us every year or so that we live in the garden spot of the World.
Well Betty, you're always free to leave.
And to be fair, I would say that to myself if I ever got to the point of feeling and sounding as disgruntled as you do about this place. "Well, if I hate this place so much.......time to leave!" I can guarantee you though that based on how you sound, and the things you're complaining about, you would be unhappy with any place you go to.
Hey booo! With our global society, you can live just about anywhere, do your work and enjoy what you choose despite all the local shortcomings. It's just comical how silly and self-important so many people and institutions are here. And if you've never had the opportunity to live anywhere else, this place is worse than most in that regard. Thomas Jefferson effect? And why does Cville receive all sorts of awards? Veneer journalism? The perception of Cville is very different than the underbelly. Nobody digs for the truth anymore. They just take things at face value and out of context. Then when something proves false, they act surprised and repeat the process.
So what have you done to help the 27% who live below the poverty line? Attend a fancy dress gala?
After reading prior comments, I do concur with some of the negative ones as well as some of the positive ones. No town is perfect. However, having lived far away from our beautiful hometown of Crozet for fourteen years, due to my husband's employment, we have come to realize how much healthier it is for folks to remain where they have strong, loving roots of nourishing support, where they are trusted because of their family history, where they are somebody. Living in NC, where we feel like disconnected aliens, every day we ache to be back among those who also want to be with us. Every day.
"And if you've never had the opportunity to live anywhere else, this place is worse than most in that regard."
Well, lucky for me I've definitely had the opportunity to live around the country, and therefore have that basis of comparison.
"So what have you done to help the 27% who live below the poverty line? Attend a fancy dress gala?"
There's a lot to be said about this subject, and it's one of those areas that could spin off into 400 back and forth fighting posts where everybody's shouting at each other with long winded dissertation essays, and nobody's even reading what anybody else is writing and everybody's stubbornly trying to have the last word and be right and refusing to concede any points. So, yeah, not interested in that. But the short answer to your question would be this:
1. Ultimately, nobody else is responsible for helping the 27% who live below the poverty line except for themselves. And I can say that as somebody who was already out on my own before I graduated highschool (take a moment to think about what that would be like......you're out on your own, taking care of yourself.....while still finishing up high school), and who had no family to take care of me, and worked at bottom rung blue collar jobs for years, with no extra money, no medical insurance, and for periods of time didn't even have a car, so I had to walk and bus it everywhere. So excuse me if I don't have the same "bleeding heart liberal" mindset that you and others may have. There's a phrase called "pull yourself up by the bootstraps"..........................and that's exactly what I did. I worked my tail off to get where I am today, and I did it all on my own. I didn't expect people like you to come in and rescue me. I never even considered the idea of welfare and food stamps. I just worked, worked, worked, and a whole bunch of more work, sometimes two and three jobs at a time, and pulled myself out of the hole slowly but surely over the years. I didn't have babies I couldn't afford, I didn't do drugs, I didn't get myself arrested. I took care of myself. And if I failed, then there would have been nobody to blame but myself. But I certainly didn't expect people like you to come along and rescue me.
2. But with that said, I have actually done things to help the disenfranchised. Sorry to burst your bubble though that I'm not rich or high society enough to attend "galas" as you put it, but I do what I can with what I do have availabile to me. I have my certain pet causes that are important to me, especially considering my background. I'd get into the details of what they are, but you don't sound like somebody who's actually interested in hearing. Instead, you prefer to make hysterical, emotional assumptions about people, rather than having an actual discourse. So, I won't waste my typing energy.
Right on, Betty.
I was born in Charlottesville, I used to ride a mini-bike where the so-called Fashion Square Mall now stands. Rt. 29N was not peppered with chicken shacks and burger huts. But these are ancillary observations, since landowners still have a right to sell, subdivide and seek rezoning for such eyesores as big-box retailers and chain restaurants that deliver all the flavor and panache of white bread, which, not to mix metaphors, pretty much describes the denizens of Charlottesville: white bread. Yes, a bunch of plain-vanilla neurotics so obsessed with their perceived importance that any contradictory opinion is squelched with criees of 'leave town if you don't like it."
So I did. Every community I have lived in since, great and small, has been superior to little Charlottesville in every way: culture, food, popular entertainment, the vibrancy of the intellectual scene and yes, by God, in the quality of the collegiate sports teams. I say this as a UVA graduate.
Anyone who would so vehemently defend Charlottesville as a great city or, LOL, "dreamy," is either delusional, insecure, or has not enjoyed the rich offerings of other vastly superior cities in this big, blue world.
Charlottesvillians have been breathing their own fumes for so long that the odor has backed up into their brains and clouded their perspective.
Oh, and the local governments of both the city and surrounding Albemarle are criminally incompetent. Just hop in your car and try to drive anywhere in a 10-mile radius in less than half an hour if you are skeptical.
Charlottesville? You can have it. Enjoy it as you would a saltine cracker and glass of lukewarm tapwater, for life in Hooville is comparably memorable.
^^^ btw, forgot to mention that my previous comment was directed entirely at Betty.
@ Betty:
"And if you've never had the opportunity to live anywhere else, this place is worse than most in that regard."
Well, lucky for me I've definitely had the opportunity to live around the country, and therefore have that basis of comparison.
"So what have you done to help the 27% who live below the poverty line? Attend a fancy dress gala?"
There's a lot to be said about this subject, and it's one of those areas that could spin off into 400 back and forth fighting posts where everybody's shouting at each other with long winded dissertation essays, and nobody's even reading what anybody else is writing and everybody's stubbornly trying to have the last word and be right and refusing to concede any points. So, yeah, not interested in that. But the short answer to your question would be this:
1. Ultimately, nobody else is responsible for helping the 27% who live below the poverty line except for themselves. And I can say that as somebody who was already out on my own before I graduated highschool (take a moment to think about what that would be like......you're out on your own, taking care of yourself.....while still finishing up high school), and who had no family to take care of me, and worked at bottom rung blue collar jobs for years, with no extra money, no medical insurance, and for periods of time didn't even have a car, so I had to walk and bus it everywhere. So excuse me if I don't have the same "bleeding heart liberal" mindset that you and others may have. There's a phrase called "pull yourself up by the bootstraps"..........................and that's exactly what I did. I worked my tail off to get where I am today, and I did it all on my own. I didn't expect people like you to come in and rescue me. I never even considered the idea of welfare and food stamps. I just worked, worked, worked, and a whole bunch of more work, sometimes two and three jobs at a time, and pulled myself out of the hole slowly but surely over the years. I didn't have babies I couldn't afford, I didn't do drugs, I didn't get myself arrested. I took care of myself. And if I failed, then there would have been nobody to blame but myself. But I certainly didn't expect people like you to come along and rescue me.
2. But with that said, I have actually done things to help the disenfranchised. Sorry to burst your bubble though that I'm not rich or high society enough to attend "galas" as you put it, but I do what I can with what I do have availabile to me. I have my certain pet causes that are important to me, especially considering my background. I'd get into the details of what they are, but you don't sound like somebody who's actually interested in hearing. Instead, you prefer to make hysterical, emotional assumptions about people, rather than having an actual discourse. So, I won't waste my typing energy.
I saw a tip jar in a jiffy lube here.
Also Betty, consider the inordinate number of Asian immigrants who come into this country and work their butts off, and go on to own homes, and put their kids through college. Have you ever met one of them? I have. They don't mope around being "the 27% living below the poverty level," lolling about looking for people like you to help them. That's not acceptable in their culture. They come here and hit the ground running, learn the language, and then kick ass and take names. It's unbelievable, and very inspirational. They put everybody else to shame. The welfare collecting poverty people who are already here to begin with and speak English as a native tongue have no excuse when you line them up next to the Asians. None. Liberal-minded people don't like hearing about this, but it's my favorite counterpoint anecdote, and especially since I've personally known these sorts of kick ass Asians. There is just no excuse for any native English speaking American to not accomplish what these Asian immigrants do in a fraction of the time. You know, since you want to ask people what they're doing for the 27% of people who have their hands out. I'm waiting for them to do what I did, or what these Asian immigrants do.
So Betty, do you help out in the soup kitchen at the Haven, or is your contribution to our city just snarky comments for people who don't share your disenchantment with the city. Every city faces difficulties these days. Arguing among ourselves does nothing but add fuel to the fire.
The cynicism in this post is ridiculous. I would highly encourage people to get out and see the rest of the U.S. and then go visit a few other places around the world and then come back and complain about how much charlottesville sucks and how we have too many chicken shacks... what a dumb comment.
@ Anonymouse.
LOL. I cut mighty close to the bone for you to get your panties cinched up so high. Thanks for proving the point: Charlottesvillians really are neurotic. Having seen quite a bit of the world, I say anyone who thinks C-ville is hot $hit is simply full of Sh!t. Hello.
Funny, all those libs above who say "If you hate it so much, then leave" remind of all those cons in the early '70s with bumper stickers that said "America, Love It or Leave It." The problem with this town is that it is indeed arrogant...but does not think it is. Dangerous combo. Even the fire trucks say "A World Class City."
BTW, Mr. McNair, my journalism degree from 1986 tells me you do not "assume" things like "business friendly", which is actually a hackneyed cliche that I would edit out of the story anyway. Again, journalism in 2011 exposes itself: reading or seeing report from a newsperson today is no different than when they guy comes running into the bar and says "Man, I just saw the worst accident..." and goes on to tell you what happened. You get hearsay, opinion and a one-sided account of what happened. That is a sad commentary, but ask anyone who has been involved directly in a news story. They will almost universally tell you "Man, is that really what happened? Didn't seem that way to me."
This lousy news reporting occurs at all levels of news reporting, from small-town bird cage lining like The Hook up to the all-important Today Show (god, don't you miss Katie? [release emesis here]). Check this out:
Matt Lauer has two guys from Boston on one morning. They're roofers who found a valuable booty of old coins in the attic of the house they were repairing that had been vacant for years. As I listened, my radar started to go crazy. Story sounded implausible. Sure enough, about four days later, I see the story that it was a hoax; the slobs at stolen the coins from an occupied house. So, at this high level of journalism...no one checked this or had the experience to be suspicious.
And do not try to say "Well, The Today Show" is entertainment, not journalism. Not true!
Sorry, gotta leave now! Katie is ordering me to get a colonoscopy!
@ Never been to a game
Well, I can't speak for everybody else, but for me the reason I say "Hey, if it's so traumatic for you then leave" is because that's how I live my own life, as somebody who's moved around the country. When a place no longer works for me....................I leave. I don't moan and groan on a comments section of a local indie news website. (even worse.....admonishing people for not stepping up and taking care of the poverty people.) I get up and go. End of story. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
Some people really seem to hate this place, and can write long posts explaining just how every place they've ever been to was better than here. Common sense alone makes one have to ask...."Then why are you still here, if every other place you've ever been to was better?" The only reason I can come up with for why they're still here is because deep down, these people *like* complaining. They're the types that enjoy being miserable. They literally don't know how to be happy and enjoy themselves. And if there's nothing wrong then they'll *invent* things to complain about. We all know these types.
When SoCal had run its course for me for a mile long list of reasons, I quit my job, packed up my car, and hit the freeway. See ya!
When I was done with Portland I just got in my car........and left.
When south Florida was no longer doing it for me, for a myriad of reasons, I didn't waste a second getting out of there. Goodbye. I didn't post complaints on the internet about it. Who does that?
Life is what you make of it. The only one responsible for your happiness is you.
If you're unhappy, then look in the mirror.
If you don't like where you live, then look in the mirror.
I walk the walk. Can the moaners and the groaners say the same?
And to be clear, for those who aren't really reading all the posts and haven't read my previous posts, this isn't some big defense of Charlottesville. As noted before, for me there are definitely some cons to living here, ways in which it's not as interesting or exciting as the other places I've lived. So I'm not looking at this place with rose colored glasses. I'm just calling out the moaners and the groaners who talk a lot of talk.........but don't walk the walk. I have no patience or tolerance for people like that. Either put up, or shut up, is my motto. Don't waste your time groaning about how much you hate Cville on a website, or how much you hate your job, or your spouse, or your life......If you don't like your situation, then take action and change it. If you don't then you have nobody to blame but yourself for getting yourself in the hole you're in. Every choice you ever made (and didn't make....) led you to where you are right now, at this exact moment. Look in the mirror and take responsibility for that.
Does anyone believe our tabloid rags in this town are real journalism? Not with the personal slant evident in so much of their in-depth reporting. The liberal bias of their "investigative" reporting, and the similarities of the targets of these reports is clear. And I say this as a full-fledged Democrat.
@ downtown brown
"And I say this as a full-fledged Democrat...."
It would be funny to compile a list of "You know you're a resident of Charlottesville when...." And #1 on the list is: "You have to preface or clarify everything with the fact that you're a democrat (otherwise sour faced self righteous indignant democratic posters at the Hook are liable to pounce on you and claim that you *must* be a crazy right wing conservative to have a difference of opinion)." ;D
Kind of head shakingly sad.
But, still not sad enough to make me want to move. ;D
+1000 booo! Not saying this place is perfect, by any means, but people around here love making mountains out of molehills. Fortunately they're the minority.
Seriously, there was a time when being a Virginia Democrat was a good thing. The far left and far right of each party, and this town, make it hard to like either side. Time for people to act and bring this country to a point of compromise where both sides make concessions for the benefit of this country. Both sides are to blame for putting us in the position we're in, and both sides need to come together to make mutually beneficial decisions to get us out of this mess.
@omgitspaul The economy has nothing to do with the arrogance here. It's systemic, unfazed by the outside world and off the charts.
In truth, downtown brown, THE solution to all our problems as humans is JESUS CHRIST, King of kings and Lord of lords! Until He is Lord of all, which will NEVER happen because satan is the prince of this world, our culture will continue in its narcissism.
Jesus H. Christ.
Ginny's blog describes her as "a fool for Jesus." I am confident she is at least half right.
@ BooHoo says all this stuff about Asians making it by their own bootstraps. Asians have never been enslaved in this country like AA's. They don't face near the same level of racism that AAs have and still do. Look Cville is not the worst place to live and its not the best place to live. It would be a better place if we gave Vinegar Hill back from the people it was stolen from, if we owned up to our sordid history, if we spent time paying attention to who is on those unemployment roles by ethnicity, provided some jobs for kids graduating from Cville High, provided some hope for people in this town who have been at the bottom for along time. And forget Dem/Rep. this little town is run by a handful of people who get their way when they don't like things, and by that I mean creating an atmosphere of fear so that if you voice your discontent it gets back to the bosses who then squeeze the little man.
And The Hook does a pretty good job reporting real news unlike all the other media outlets in this town that are mere propaganda machines for large institutions, except Cville Tom.. Dave McNair's story on Kevin Morrissey was great (but didn't go far enough IMHO).
Why does it have to be "love it or leave it"? Why can't it be love it enough to fix the problems for the have nots in this town. I say compensate for the Vinegar Hill atrocity, build some statues of minority folks in this town, give people a venue for addressing racial (and other forms of) discrimination in their employment, and create some jobs for people left behind. Create a real transportation system so poor people can get around. Address the separate but unequal school system. Folks who want to sit around and spout racist garbage behind the veil of the American Dream, well maybe they should leave. Thomas Jefferson was the progenitor of Racism in this Country, read his Notes on Virginia for the facts. Well 200 years later, the little town of Cville, living under the shadow of Monticello, is still dealing with that legacy, go figure. Go ask AAs if people are making mountains out of mole hills. I could leave if I wanted to, but I would rather stick around and hold up the mirror and try to do what I can to improve what we have. It could really be a world class city if it woke up and looked around and dealt with the problems staring us right in the face.
@Bollocks, thank you, thank you very much! Good day!
@ Citizen Party:
"@ BooHoo says all this stuff about Asians making it by their own bootstraps. Asians have never been enslaved in this country like AA's. They don't face near the same level of racism that AAs have and still do"
First off, the name's boooo! as in, boooo! hiss! thumb's down! ;D Not boohoo! waaa! I'm a whiny victim! Look at me crying! I can't take care of myself! Everybody feel sorry for me! As you can see from my posts, I'm anything but boohoo.
But secondly......................who said anything about African Americans? (or AA's, as you abreviated.) Nobody pointed fingers at black people specifically. Betty whined about people needing to help the 27% of people who live below the poverty line. That could be white, black, hispanic, Native American, etc. But, that's kind of interesting you just automatically jumped to the conclusion that it was all about black people, and started trying to make excuses to justify why some may loll about being a victim, expecting handouts and not pulling themselves up by the boostraps and taking charge of their life as compared to English second language Asians that I'd mentioned earlier, who immigrant to the U.S. and then hit the ground running and become successful.
There's a LOT to say about this whole thing, about the black people vs. the Asian immigrants, but, that would totally sidetrack things onto a racial discussion, and nobody's ever going to agree on anything there. Some people insist on making excuses, while others don't tolerate excuses, so, there's no "winning" a conversation of that type. So, back to people debating the merits and shortcomings of Cville............
Dave McNair- not sure if the unemployment rate is low because the locals are employed. Lots of retired here as well- many who own one man businesses too.........tough to judge.
Citizen Party, have you submitted a sample of your DNA to the Chville Police yet?
Trying to be objective here. Charlottesville isn't bad for a small eastern city. It's in the south, yet not of the south, which means there is a decent contingent of non cracker types from other parts of the country to give it a bit of cultural heterogeneity. That it is in the the south however means it has a large African American community with all the dysfunction, noise, crime, and uncivil conduct that goes with it. This stain of our country's "original sin" (the durable pathology of post slavery cultural life) blights large areas of downtown and discourages a more vibrant urban environment in the downtown area.
The economy, thanks to well endowed UVA, bureaucratic headquarters of a variety of national companies, and big govt. entities, does better than many similar size small eastern towns and that is a plus.
As is true of every part of the east, the climate is a significant negative factor. The persistent dampness, numerous periods of bad weather, put a major brake on outdoor activities, and breed clouds of insects which impinge on outdoor activity during spells of what pass for nice weather. All of this subtracts from quality of life in ways that local residents don't realize because they are used to it, consider it normal, and can always say that it's better than Buffalo or some other point of comparison. Yet people who live in areas with actually nice climates shudder with horror at the thought of spending a winter in Virginia, much less a summer. This is what people in the real estate business refer to as an "incurable defect" and is probably the main reason Charlottesville falls short as a dream destination. Spend a couple years at Berkeley and you'll see, or Santa Fe, etc.
@ Angel Eyes
That's interesting that you feel there's an issue with the climate and bugs here.
I lived in south Florida for a period of time, where during the summer it was almost 100 degrees, with 100 percent humidity. You want to talk about damp and humid.....! Everybody ran around practically naked during those times. I've never experienced anything to that level here.
And then winters. Have you done a winter in Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota or Vermont and upstate New York along the lakes, with the lake effect snow? I haven't, and I never plan to. When we were briefly considering the idea of moving to Vermont as the next adventure we realized we had to scrap that, because their winters are atrocious. However cold it is here in Cville in say January or February, you can go to wunderground.com and check the weather in Burlington and it's always 10-20 degrees colder there, with snow on the forecast. Boulder Colorado was also on the table, until we realized it starts snowing in October and goes straight through until May, many times. You have about five months of no snow. And you better have a good four wheel drive vehicle for driving around those Rocky Mountain highways..............well, for those roads that aren't closed for the winter that is, because they get such ungodly amounts of snow that they can't keep up with the plowing.
And bugs. Again, let's take a look back at Florida, with their four inch long Palmetto bugs (nasty looking things) and mosquitoes that are so vicious they would give me welts the size of half dollars, if not slightly bigger. I've never had "mosquito" bites like that anywhere else. They were like mutated radiated mosquitoes from hell.
The rest of the country this year and in the past couple of years has seen huge bug infestations, including gypsy moth caterpillars defoliating thousands of acres of trees, locusts of biblical proportions, and other such pests. We had our stink bugs last year, and I heard that one year there were some ladybugs. That's not too bad. We're doing pretty good compared to the pestilence going on elsewhere.
Let's see, and the entire southwest has burned this year. Millions of acres total burnt to a crisp in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Feel like moving there? If so, bring a face mask so you can breathe. When I lived in SoCal I never realized that I had 24/7 polluted lungs until I moved to Oregon. After about the first month in Oregon I realized something was different...when I breathe....what is it?? And I realized....the air is clean. Here too in Cville I can go outside and breathe clean, smoke and pollution free air. That's nice.
Mississippi, Missouri and Red Rivers have flooded to epic historical levels this year due to both rainfall and record level snow melts from a record level winter in the north, displacing thousands of people in those particular valleys. In some cases the flood levels were 10-15 feet above flood stage. That's unheard of. Levees intentionally destroyed by the Army Corp of Engineers, flooding and destroying farmland, as well as destroying people's homes so that they could spare the major cities down river, like Baton Rouge and New Orleans. They had to choose the lesser of the two evils. I don't see choices like that having to be made around here.
Tuscaloosa Alabama, Joplin Missouri, and areas of Oklahoma, Mississippi, Tennessee and North Carolina completely destroyed this year in what has turned out to be an historical tornado season. The tornadoes in North Carolina shouldn't have happened the way they did, it was an anomaly, with conditions coming together very far to the east that you normally only ever see out west on the Plains and in the midwest. 3/4 of Joplin has been wiped off the map. I think we're doing pretty good compared to that. I'll take the couple of strong T-storms and our one lone 16 hour power outage we've had this year any day over a town that's been wiped off the map and loved ones gone.
Heat waves hitting the plains and mid-west and south too this year. As hot as it's been here, we still haven't topped places like Arkansas, where the heat index was something like 115 degrees.
There's so much destruction going on all around the country this year, I can't even keep up with it anymore. These are just some of the stories I can remember off the top of my head. When we've talked about the idea of ever possibly leaving Cville, the other major reason for staying, besides the recession, is that the entire rest of the country is going to pot. Any place I could think of to go to before is now out of the question, due to either climate changing or too many crazy natural disasters. This area is truly one of the few areas that I can think of that has - so far - escaped much of what's plaguing the rest of the country. For that reason alone we're staying. But, others are free to leave!
"All of this subtracts from quality of life in ways that local residents don't realize because they are used to it, consider it normal, and can always say that it's better than Buffalo or some other point of comparison"........
Boo; As I was saying............ but then you went ahead and validated my point, and then some.....The fact that in individual instances the climate is less miserable than other places doesn't prove that it's not nevertheless miserable!!
I recall being in South Carolina once in the summer and made some comment to my hosts about their summer weather and their rejoinder was that while it was true their summer's were awful, at least they didn't get snow and cold weather like we did!!
AE - the weather factor a good point, but I don't think anyone can argue that the weather in SoCal is probably the most temperate and awesome in the country. I guess I don't see it as a huge negative since it never gets truly hot enough to completely limit my outdoor activities (although the bugs can be an issue) and doesn't get cold enough or snow enough in the winter to be truly bothersome.
I completely agree on the plusses and with boo! in saying that C'ville is certainly not perfect but doing quite a bit better than many other parts of the country. In case anyone hasn't noticed, things are slowly going to hell in the wake of the recession.
@ Angel Eyes
"Boo; [...] The fact that in individual instances the climate is less miserable than other places doesn't prove that it's not nevertheless miserable!!
"I recall being in South Carolina once in the summer and made some comment to my hosts about their summer weather and their rejoinder was that while it was true their summer's were awful, at least they didn't get snow and cold weather like we did!!"
Well, South Carolina is four degrees further to the south, at 32. We're at 36. That's what you get when you live at 36 degrees. I understand on the one hand what you mean about the drawbacks of cold and snow - all the outdoor activities I enjoy now in the warmer weather have to be put on the backburner for half the year. And that definitely sucks. Then there's the whole seasonal affective disorder, causing depression in the winter. I had that last season, for some reason. If Cville had warmer winters then for me it would be even better, so I understand the whole "you get docked some points for the winters" thing. But....it's 36 degrees latitude. So, it is what it is, and everybody knows that who moves here. We all know we're not in the Caribbean. For those that highly value a Caribbean climate, they're free to move there.
Not having a winter isn't the only thing that defines a city as having a high quality of life. Places further south may have warmer winters, but they may also be a lot poorer in general, with a bad economy, lotta bugs, higher crime, lack of good scenery/aesthetics, a more unstable climate while being prone to certain natural disasters. Etc. Every place has its pros and cons, the tradeoff areas. Climate alone does not determine everything. There is no one perfect place to live. Every place is going to have points docked because they lack something that another area has. Wherever you go it's always a case of picking the one with the least issues.
@Anonymouse, yesteday when all around our nation the thermometer was hovering around the 100 degree mark, San Diego was a balmy 75. Sounds refreshing! For that matter, so does Bogota, Colombia! However, California is NOT a place for those who love Jesus to live! Of course, sadly, Charlottesville has been dubbed "the little apple." due, in large part, to the progressive agenda of UVA's intellectual elite. Like exemplary Dr. James Dobson (Godson) said, "The country was tipped on its side once and everything loose fell to CA."
San Diego is always 75. It's why people pay $750k for 2000 sq ft to live there.
I visited Charlottesville as a teen, to see Monticello. I fell in love..."God's Country"!!! It just amazes me how so many that live hear don't see the beauty of Charlottesville. All the negative comment makers should be sentenced to live in the Buffalo, NY area...or even Las Vegas, NV and then maybe you would see the true beauty of your lovely community. I've been there and believe me...Charlottesville is truly a "Dream City"!!!!!.


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Update May 2 - 07:59 UTC : At least 2 houses have collapsed after that a number of aftershocks did strike the Bhaderwah area.
- Schools remain closed today by order of the local government
- people spent the night in the open due to the fear of aftershocks
- Bhaderwah Valley has witnessed 15 tremors during the past 3 days (11 yesterday alone)
- Apart from the 2 killed people, nearly 100 people (among them 32 students) were injured and scores of buildings damaged in Doda and Kishtwar districts yesterday.
Update 16:45 UTC : USGS has after all published some additional details of this earthquake (probably because is became a deadly and damaging one). This was the MMI shaking in the different cities and villages nearby :
MMI V (moderate shaking) : Bhadarwah 13,000 people
MMI IV (light shaking) : Kishtwar 21,000, Doda 18,000, Ramban 7,000, Batoti 4,000 and Ramnagar 8,000
MI III (weak shaking) : Amritsar 1,092,000, Lahore 6,311,000, Srinagar 976,000, Gujranwala 1,384,000 and Kotli 640,000
Update 16:32 UTC : The images below have been taken after the earthquake in Bhaderwah. Click on this image to see them in full size. Images courtesy Photos by Rafiqi Aamir and Randhir Singh Rathore
Update 16:18 UTC : Minister for Rural Development Ali Mohammad Sagar has said that the government will extend all the support to the earthquake victims of the Doda and Kishtwar districts. The Minister has further said that the necessary instructions have been conveyed to the concerned District Administration to assess the loss caused to various structures, so that necessary relief can be provided to them at an earliest. Sagar has also sympathized with the affected people who have been injured as a result of the earthquake and assured them that all possible help would be extended to them.
The Indian Air Force came to the rescue of a 6-year old girl who was blocked inside debris of a collapsed building at Kishtwar. The condition of the girl was deteriorating continuously (brain concussion). To IAF has airlifted the girl to a GMC Hospital in Jammu.
Update 14:40 UTC : A second killed person in Kuntawara area. The number of injured people rises to at least 69. 32 of them are students. Many hundred buildings, among them schools and hospitals, were damaged or destroyed in different parts of the region. Detailed numbers are not available yet.
Update 11:22 UTC : Meanwhile PCR Kishtwar told Kashmir Life that one girl, about 2 and half years old was seriously injured when a stone hit on her head near a stone quarry. "She was shifted to Kishtwar district hospital but she went into coma and now she is being shifted to Jammu hospital."
Update 11:06 UTC : Hundreds of buildings in Chenab valley suffered damage.
- Earthquake triggered landslides which led to blocking of Kishtwar-Batote highway.
Update 10:40 UTC : We unfortunately have to report that based on local well informed sources in K&J (Kashmir and Jammu) 1 person has been killed by the earthquake in Kishtwar.
An elderly villager, identified as Gusavun Ram, was killed when a bolder hit him while he was rushing out of his home. In another incident two school kids and one of their teachers were seriously injured in Putinag village of district Kistwar.
Update 10:27 UTC : A Facebook message from APINews reports that people from Bhaderwah town say that smoke (probably dust) is coming out of the mountain at the backside of Rainda village, a huge portion of the hill has blown up (ER : Typical for a landslide).
Update 10:12 UTC : Jammu and Kashmir experienced at least 6 aftershocks. 25 students and 2 teachers were at least injured, but this number will increase soon. While the roof of a school building collapsed in Baderwah injuring eight girl student, four students were injured when the building of their school collapsed in Kishtwar district. The children were being served mid-day meals when tremors hit the area.
- Most buildings in Chenab valley in J&K developed cracks.
Update 09:48 UTC : An avalanche alert has been issued for people living in the Bhaderwah-Chamba border belt after tremors shook the valley in Doda district on Wednesday. ZEE news is telling his readers "We have alerted people living in the foothills of the Ashapati glacier and Chater-gala hills in the Bhaderwah-Chamba border belt after three tremors shook the valley," police said. Over 10,000 inhabitants occupy the Thanhala belt in the foothills of the Ashapati glacier and the Chater-gala hills.
Update 09:35 UTC : "We have reports of many buildings having developed big cracks while some mud houses in Chatroo, Thathri, Bhaderwah areas have collapsed," an official in Jammu said.
- 9 children reported injured, 5 in Gandoh Village and 4 in Bhot Village of Doda District
- We are mentioning also a M4.5 aftershock
- Chandigarh : slight damage to buildings like plaster cracks, bricks fall
Update 09:27 UTC : @imsabbah writes on twitter : My home damaged. School and kids okay, alhamdulillah. Damage reported in nearby villages as well; nothing major though.
- The Department of Earth Sciences India is stating in his report that : This earthquake is likely to cause slight to moderate damage to poorly built structures in and around the epicentral area. The earthquake focal mechanism is mainly Reverse Faulting (compression of 2 tectonic plates - South West to North East)
Update 09:13 UTC : 4 children were injured when a school building collapsed in Jammu and Kashmir's Kishtwar district. The children were being served mid-day meals when tremors hit the area.
In another (twitter) massage : 7 children & 2 teachers reported injured in 3 different schools. Some damage to structures in the region of Doda, Gandoh & Badarwah.
Update 08:57 UTC : So far we have only reports of slight damage, but based on our broad experience, we know that it will take many hours before we will know whether landslides have made additional damage. We assume that Rescue and Relief teams will now visit the whole area to assess the situation. As it is daylight, we think that we will know more in 2 to 4 hours from now.
Update 08:33 UTC : The same area had a HUGE M7.8 (M8.6 following other sources) shallow earthquake on April 4, 1905 (our map shows April 4 1904 and has a slightly different epicenter location. (see also map below). This earthquake killed 19000 people !
The earliest large Indian earthquake for which a well documented instrumental magnitude (8.62) can be assigned. This was a great disaster; the loss of life is stated as 19,000. Instrumental data are not adequate to fix the epicenter. The meizoseismal area, including Kangra, was on the Tertiary rocks of the foothills of the Himalaya. An isolated area of high intensity, lower than that at Kangra but not approached elsewhere, included Dehra Dun, also in the foothills; this was separated from the Kangra meizoseismal area by about 100 miles. The available evidence does not support the idea of two separate earthquakes; it is more likely that there was a great linear extent of faulting.
Another similar report speaks of : Catastrophic earthquake in which a large number of people were killed in the region between Kangra and Dera Dun. The loss of life is stated as 19,000. The shock was felt with an intensity VII at Chamba, Patankot, Lahore, Nagan, Bajaura, Bilaspur and Kasauli. At Tir, Dera Dun and Saharanpur, VIII. The shock was felt in Quetta, with a radius of perceptibility of more than 1,200 km. Probable faulting extending from Kangra to Dera Dun.
ER : Of course the Magnitude of the 1905 earthquake was much much much stronger than today's earthquake. This information shows however that this is a dangerous area.
Update 08:29 UTC : Telephone lines are jammed and it is very difficult to reach the people in the valley because of massive call traffic. ER : always the same story : people should not use voice lines but use SMS (text) messages instead. The capacity of SMS messages is far greater without voice calls than with voice calls.
Update 08:25 UTC : Reports reaching The Kashmir Life say that the intensity of the earthquake was so huge that people fled out of their homes. "WE were in the court room and it shock like hell and we fled out," leading lawyer Asim Hashmi told the Kashmir Life. "The court developed cracks and I am told my home also has cracks."
Details suggest that a number of houses were grounded in certain areas. The details are being collected. The losses are reported from Kishtwar, Bhaderwah and Doda. Not much of the details are right now available about what happened in the villages of the valley. Unconfirmed reports even said that a hospital that was newly built has suffered damage.
Update 08:22 UTC : Preliminary reports said several properties in Jammu and Kashmir and Himachal Pradesh have sustained damage but the same could not be confirmed.
Update 08:16 UTC : We invite our India - Pakistan readers to send us news of eventual damage if this would be reported in local media. You can send it to the following email : email@example.com (photos and videos are welcome too)
Update 08:09 UTC : According to new initial reports, about six buildings have suffered minor damages including two schools in Bhaderwah. As can be seen at our 08:06 update, Bladerwah is at only 17 km from the epicenter according to the USGS
Update 08:06 UTC : USGS has updated his data and now reports a Magnitude of 5.4 at a depth of 9.8 km. (we want to stress however that USGS is only one of the reporting agencies and the values are not always the most accurate ones). These are the new USGS epicneter parameters :
17km (11mi) NE of Bhadarwah, India
24km (15mi) SSE of Kishtwar, India
25km (16mi) E of Doda, India
65km (40mi) NNW of Chamba, India
268km (167mi) ESE of Islamabad, Pakistan
Update 08:03 UTC : Earthquake-report.com fears more and more for a grim outlook as this is a very mountainous populated region. LANDSLIDES are our main fear as well as the way villages have been build against the slopes as can be seen on the image below (image courtesy J D Pahadi).
Update 07:53 UTC : The situation looks grim as we could trace that damage / collapse of buildings was reported in the Chamba region of Himachal Pradesh and Kishawad in Jammu and Kashmir.
Update 07:36 UTC :
Population numbers in the epicenter area (based on the EMSC epicenter) :
130 km SE of Srīnagar, India / pop: 975,857
8 km S of Kishtwār, India / pop: 20,553
Update 07:34 UTC :Buildings shook in Delhi, offices and homes were evacuated in parts of Kashmir, and tremors were reported across the border in Lahore and Islamabad in Pakistan.
Update 07:30 UTC : EMSC has now changed the earthquake parameters from M5.3 at 60 km to M5.7 at 51 km.
Update 07:30 UTC : IMD (Meteorological Department of India) is reporting a very dangerous depth of 15 km. Let's hope that they are not right and that the hypocenter will be deeper. 4.4 million people are living within a radius of 100 km from the epicenter.
People in affected cities came out of their homes immediately after the tremors were felt.
Update 07:26 UTC : The I Have Felt It MMI's we are receiving from our readers are indicating a strong shaking in Northern India. As every earthquake is being felt differently by people, this earthquake gives us a bad feeling. We hope to bring as fast as possible some news from the epicenter area
Update 07:23 UTC : This earthquake proves another time that showing the different reported data is a plus as they are very contradictory at this moment. In Indie also a 5.7 Magnitude has been reported.
Update 07:19 UTC : USGS is however reporting a strong M5.7 earthquake at a depth of 10 km which would make this earthquake VERY dangerous. We think however that the intermediate depth will be more likely.
Update 07:12 UTC : We are relatively happy to tell you that it looks like it was (only) a M5.1 at 60 km depth
Update 07:04 UTC : We have still no clue what exactly happened, but most of our readers are coming from North India
Update : This earthquake is also felt in India and the UAE
17km (11mi) NE of Bhadarwah, India
23km (14mi) SSE of Kishtwar, India
24km (15mi) E of Doda, India
66km (41mi) NNW of Chamba, India
267km (166mi) ESE of Islamabad, Pakistan
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Magnitude : 5.6
Local Time (conversion only below land) : 2013-05-01 12:27:22
GMT/UTC Time : 2013-05-01 06:57:22
Depth (Hypocenter) : 40 km
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The eldest Kardashian sister is going to have more fodder for her Mommy blog.
Kourtney Kardashian, 32, told Us Weekly she and her longtime boyfriend Scott Disick are expecting their second child.
"I'm nine weeks along," she said. "You're supposed to wait 12 weeks to tell people, but I feed confident."
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The couple, who found out they were expecting their first son, Mason, during a rocky time in their relationship, says this baby isn't quite so unexpected.
"It wasn't like we weren't trying," said Disick, 28, who heard the news as soon as Kourtney found out five weeks ago. "We kind of just said, 'If it's meant to be, it'll be."
Wednesday morning the reality star released a statement to E! News: "Scott and I are so excited to announce that we are expecting our second child and are thrilled to be expanding the love in our family."
Selected Reading: Us Weekly, E! Online