text:
Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
Puppy HOME page :
"THE" alternative forum :
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
The time now is Sun 05 Jul 2020, 22:57
All times are UTC - 4
Forum index
Advanced Topics
Puppy Projects
Next Puppy Development
Woof-gui Questions
View previous topic
View next topic
Page 1 of 1
[15 Posts]
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Sun 16 Jan 2011, 07:45
Post subject:
Woof-gui Questions
Will add all the url's I've found so far and add with more as I find more or others add to it with their own findings
Maybe a mod will sticky this if it works for future referance for anyone thinking of using the gui.
A "*" is personal notes & comments against a url.
Barry's own Woof & Bones Blogs:-
*continually check during a build, especially woof as updates and fixes (between updates) are continually ocurring and may need to be added in.
Bones Version Control Doc:-
*important to read and understand this one before you begin.
*please notice in pic and accompanying doc it mentions woof-bones and a couple of other directories, these are at the same level as your woof-tree directory.
* make sure your actually in the woof-tree directory when typing "bones setup" else a confusing mess is created
Woof the Puppy Builder Doc.:-
*good general doc to explain woof, little on the gui steps, but these are quite adeqately found elsewhere.
Iguleders build doc:-
*Absolutely magnificent teaching thread, hopefully when he is on leave and has time he might consider updating & expanding it a little.
If your of a french language persuasion I have been told this is good:-
The wika page:-
A few relevant and very informative comments within another thread:-
*playdayz thread (just found and quick scanned only):-
*wish I had seen this earlier, with Iguleders would have answered a lot of questions and less heartache created.
**Personally I created a 16gig partition specifically to build in as it means you
be able to work from any running puppy partition.
Reason for the topic is that I've just built my first trial run to iso/dev and i've got a "three whole pages" of questions and problem comments to sort out and deal with before I proceed. After a whole day of it i'm tired and just want to sleep now as my brain is both in a spin and wanting to turn off at the same time.
Hopefully those that have built a version of puppy already will be able to help to deal with them.
Initial problems are dissapearing, quite a few went when I created a fresh frugal puppy, added the appropriate dev and worked from there rather than my normal build parn, which is a Full Install.. Woof must have a problem when working from a full Install, so just don't.
Last edited by scsijon on Mon 24 Jan 2011, 07:04; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 8784
Location: qld
Posted: Sun 16 Jan 2011, 08:50
Post subject:
Probably the second worst woofing instructions on the planet
Probably not much help.. but a start.. maybe
Puppy Linux Blog
- contact me for access
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 00:23
Post subject:
not really mick, filled in a knowledge spot of two. Thank you.
I'm really enjoying building with woof, not as hard as thought it would be (so far).
Anyway: to my notes and questions relating to my first build.
-Downloaded totally fresh bones and followed "Bones Version control" doc to middle of page 3 (end of getting started), rest seems to relate to uploading and not relevant (i think) at this time.
-went to my woof-tree directory and read the readme (*IMPORTANT), moved (copied) from support mentioned files where needed to go,
-started woof-gui, which came up.
-used the Lucid Puppy Profile only changing: lupi to lupt (for test); minor revision number to 90 (?where is this suppose to appear, couldn't find it in the final "product" anywhere?)
- Download dbs had nothing in the right pannel of compat-distro pkg local databases so pushed "update local dbs files" and waited while it did it's thing
-choose pkgs ammendment doesn't seem to work yet so manually changed package (listed at bottom of gui screen) - see note below
-download packages takes timeeeeeee, don't do it in your "peak allowance" unless you have a lot of it plus plenty of link speed.
-kernal options: picking which kernal is a problem, researched what had been used by others before chosing one that I thought would do. -see note below on thoughts for this.
- build went well, and iso installed ok.
Build Questions:
1/ Didn't have any control of menu format, would have liked the old one rather than new two level (as it is) for now, Eventually will want to set up what is in first and second levels differently. Q-Where are the control files for defaults and order of control?
2/ Want to set up autoload of .sts's if their of the right version and in right directory if I can. Q-Where is the relevant bootmanager files please?
Build Comments
1/Unless close reading in Bones version control, there is nothing mentioned about the extra directories associated with woof AND that you shouldn't play with them (I believe).
2/ We need some help file with the various Kernals to assist in understanding the differances and which one to pick for what, took me two hours of searching and considering which to use. Alternately maybe it should "auto-pick" what was used with the tab1 profile choice and a popup say something like "this was what was last used for that build", still allowing you to pick another if you wish though.
3/ the Choose pkgs tab shows two windows, separating pets and non pets, but nothing mentioning their still using the same file for both, just separating the two lots, definately needs a little further explanation until the on/off buttons at the bottom work. And if you manually change anything, don't forget to put a comment line in at each entry so you can backout one later without starting it all again. You ARE creating a clean backup before you start of course!
4/ could we have an "about" as a choice under menu's help to tell basic info, like build, version and subversions and date and time of build? It would make working out where you are a little easier.
General Problems Found
1/ in build had a line saying:
Line 173: /root/Startup/network_trau: No such file or directory.
2/ Another was:
Warning: Devx.sfs not loaded, cannot install BaCon Basic Compiler.
-but it is installed as I was running from a Full Install not frugal.
3/ noted in the PPM against puppy-lucid-official, nothing listed or in the PPM Configure. (think I found note in url above on this) may need to be added into the woof tree.
Other Problem
Found in the Widgets package after installed, only the clockface seems to be movable by the mouse after install, the rest are fixed positions, can only be on or off in order as listed.
Next project in the steps, is to add some pets that arn't listed by default and also update the list for the flashplayer pet. Question is where do I put them (hopefully packages-pet is the right answer).
ok, over too the community until I add more after my next build (pm wednesday I hope)
damn typos, again
Last edited by scsijon on Mon 17 Jan 2011, 06:07; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 04:35
Post subject: Adding Pets?
Ok, first problem, how do I manually add pets correctly?
What I did was:
1/ Opened "DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubunto-lucid" in Geaney and added the extra pets I wanted.
2/ Into the "packages-pet" directory I copied bluefish-2.0.0-i486.pet and set permissions as 644 to match what was already there.
3/ Started woof-gui and checked under the "Choose Packages" tab that my added pets were listed in the top box. (yes they were)
4/ Tab "Build Pkgs", top box picked the first of my new pets, Clicked "Create Packages" button
The popup "Creating Packages" window gives:
Preprocessing ubuntu lucid pkgs database...
Checking syntax of PKGS_SPECS_TABLE....
Processing bluefish-2.0.0-i486
ERROR: 'bluefish-2.0.0-i486' PET package does not exist in packages-pet.
You will need to find a matching PET package and place it in packages-pet.
Do it later, then rerun this script and chose to build bluefish-2.0.0-i486.
Press ENTER to continue:
? it's there, in the correct format (I believe as the pet installs ok in my previous iso construct), permissions are there?
Thought I followed what I was told to do to add an extra pet!
Directions please, as i've about 20 to add after removing those I don't want at this stage (not many).
thanks in advance
Back to top
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
Posts: 8784
Location: qld
Posted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 05:32
Post subject:
Is that exact petname in any of the
files? It must be an exact match. The dodge-a-round is to create your own pretend "repo" similar to BK's
(these repos don't exist on the web, they are for local files so woof can cross check). The way BK expresses the error message is a bit ambiguous to my way of think, but I do have a pretty simple mind!
Just create a file with all you pets in it
with the correct syntax
naming convention
..which is
(note that I highlighted the hyphens, there can only be 3 and the first 2 words must be
Now the syntax
genericname-versionNUM|genericname|versionNUM||Category|${SIZE}K||genericname-versionNUM.pet||a des cription goes here|compat_distro|compat_distro_version||
libxext-1|libxext|1||BuildingBlock|76K||libxext-1.pet||no description provided|debian|squeeze||
NOTE: you don't need the compat_version entries, it can b like this:
libxext-1|libxext|1||BuildingBlock|76K||libxext-1.pet||no description provided||||
(the important thing is the names of pets and the pets don't even have to be compatible, er for woof to work anyway)
The fields are important, you get all this info from pet.specs in side the pets, copy it
. Alphabetical order is of no importance in the final list.
You need to make an entry for your dummy repo in the file
Forget all the cases for the variable PACKAGES_PET_ORDER.. as the very last entery (after the end of the case) add your PACKAGES_PET_ORDER... it will include the dummy name you gave your file.
Here's one of my old ones:
PACKAGELISTS_PET_ORDER='Packages-puppy-5-official Packages-puppy-micko-official Packages-puppy-quirky-official Packages-puppy-woof-official Packages-puppy-4-official'
It's just a space delimited array surrounded by the usual single quotes
Now you can plonk in your pets and run 2createpackages on those pets
Puppy Linux Blog
- contact me for access
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Mon 17 Jan 2011, 06:06
Post subject: Adding pets - possible answer.
thanks mick.
So I should of ALSO added an extra package list, even though most of them were in others, I notice some of the woof lists are of older versions, not the latest, even though only downloaded a couple of days ago. And reading your comments, I suspect this is the problem.
Will do, see if I understood you correctly, and see how I go.
thanks again.
jon (scsi because of my pdp8/11 origins)
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Wed 19 Jan 2011, 01:00
Post subject:
Not quite working right mick,
I started again with fresh woof download (on purpose), I had somehow "stuffed" the one I had up (and for once had forgotten to clone a copy first)!
found a few woof problems for barry (missing/wrong filenames etc in error files) that wern't there in the last download, I put a note on his blog for him against the last woof build entry, hope he sees it as i've also put a url for this, asking him for comments..
I will sort out my notes and update THIS reply/comment with what I have found, lunch at 1600 is a little late, but.....
back soon
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Sat 22 Jan 2011, 05:11
Post subject:
Subject description: try3 -problems found
sorry, had to go to Mildura the long way around due to storm water, took all day and was "a wreck" when I got home at the end of it. Only wanted sleep!
Back to Puppy work
1/ Found I was having problems with package downloads, a small number were failing when they were quite visably in the pet directory concerned and listed in the 7th field as such of Packages-puppy-lucid-official.
- with a bit of close watching I saw that the download program was actually looking for them in /quirky/pet packages-quirky, failing that (as it should) but was not changing to the /puppylinux/pet packages-lucid (where they were).
+ I worked out a tempory fix with reordering the search order in DISTRO_PET_REPOS under PKG_DOCS_PET_REPOS and PET_REPOS to put puppylinux before quirky, but it shouldn't have been needed if I read the scripts right. Something for Barry I presume, I think it's having a problem changing from quirky to puppylinux at the level above.
2/Also found that the names of a few packages didn't match what was in their pet specs files. I needed to change them and the Package Files to match to get the gui to download and build the packages.
3/ There are a few packages with the directory of "packages-puppy-igu" and one or two with the word "lucid" spelt "lcuid" in the Pet Package Lists. Had to fix a couple to use.
4/ Found that the gui was downloading the "default" version of the package, not the one asked for, or was saying the package wasn't there, not sure why. I couldn't find a list of "default" versions to work from.
The rest of the problems are either, no pet of that name in the directory (although in the Package List), or Capital<>Lowercase errors.
It means that I have finally got a second working puppy, with most of what I wanted to be in it at this stage, I am using it now for this update, athough I have had two fails between (one being a total disaster, the other not showing what was installed).
I would like BarryK to consider adding the possability of allowing a local non-savefile directory to be used as a package source (with only a text type package list not having the third field a db-file(s) associated with that repo), when he next visits woof, it would allow local pet supply and support instead of downloading all the time. It would also be nice if it could be considered as the Primary Repository and downloading the Secondary Repositries for Pet's.
Well that's enough for tonight, I need to sort my brain out to work out the next step I want to go to. I WILL build, it's just taking a bit longer to get the basics right than I expected, before I start diverging a few scripts and their results to follow my overall plan with puppyrunt.
What do you think about the above problems.
ps decided to message barryK, think I need him to sort a number of the problems out and not just give guidance.
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Sun 23 Jan 2011, 00:37
Post subject:
aha, think i've sorted out one of my problems.
I need to make sure that in /woof-tree that the files DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS AND DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubuntu-lucid have the same "case" and spelling.
ie If I need to do a change in the second, make sure the first has the same.
That includes any additions, removals and yes<>no changes.
Down to three pets through "creating packages" not being created.
Getting an error of "cannot stat $packagename" to sort out next. Any Ideas?
Back to top
Joined: 18 May 2008
Posts: 4878
Location: Blue Springs, MO
Posted: Sun 23 Jan 2011, 01:24
Post subject:
scsijon wrote:
I need to make sure that in /woof-tree that the files DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS AND DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubuntu-lucid have the same "case" and spelling.
ie If I need to do a change in the second, make sure the first has the same.
That includes any additions, removals and yes<>no changes.
sounds like a job for a symlink
is there a "\" before $packagename somehow?
Check out my
github repositories
. I may eventually get around to updating my
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Sun 23 Jan 2011, 03:16
Post subject:
technosaurus wrote:
scsijon wrote:
I need to make sure that in /woof-tree that the files DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS AND DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubuntu-lucid have the same "case" and spelling.
ie If I need to do a change in the second, make sure the first has the same.
That includes any additions, removals and yes<>no changes.
sounds like a job for a symlink
is there a "\" before $packagename somehow?
thanks for the idea technosaurus but no, the files have different headers, it's just the list of applications inside that are the same (the first one eventually ends up in your new version's /root/.packages directory as what's inbuilt.
and no there is not a / before the $, i've found out by trial and error that the problem relates to packagenames in petspecs again.
It seems that the 2createpackages uses the DISTRO_PKGS_SPECS-ubuntu-lucid (in my case) to build a packages-lupt directory (my name ilo lupi/lupu for the test buildname), but it uses the individual packages internal petspecs data for the application packages directory name and NOT the one the pet is actually called. To fix the problem you need to go in and rename the directory to the pet's written name without the version info included. I may also add at this point that manually checking and renaming the directories to exactly match the petnames has also got rid of almost all my other problems.
I now have a lupt524 built with all but two apps I want to add, but still have four or five to remove when I have tested replacements. I'm using it now. It is a bit big at 180meg, but as everything's in and nothing has been cutout or removed I'll put up with it for now.
When I have sorted the last few out I will create an alpha called lupt530. I will upload it on my site and ask for some alpha testers. It won't be the greatest and latest, but will give people an idea of what I want to head for, and I suspect it will still have some bugs (not too many I hope), but those who have preceided me with woof may have some words of guidance.
enough for now, pub time (tea)
Back to top
Joined: 18 May 2008
Posts: 4878
Location: Blue Springs, MO
Posted: Sun 23 Jan 2011, 12:39
Post subject:
the unneeded quotes in the ayttm comment= gives me issues in other programs too
if you keep a list of issues that you find I may be able to write a script that auto-corrects the package list and possibly the packages
fixing the packages is quicker than decompressing the whole pet
tar -xf ${packagename}.pet ./${packagename}/pet.specs
<sed/grep/awk fixes here>
tar -cf ${packagename}.pet ./${packagename}/pet.specs
(may need to do pet2tgz first and tgz2pet at the end though b/c of the md5sum at the end)
Check out my
github repositories
. I may eventually get around to updating my
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Mon 24 Jan 2011, 02:44
Post subject: lupt525-prealphadevelopment version
I have gone one step forward with all packages I have listed now being included and built without errors (I think/hope).
I have replaced gnumeric and abiword (so far, but not the complete list to go) with siag. I know it hasn't been worked on for a couple of years, but....
It's an office type pack, a little basic, but only about 2.25meg all up. It includes a wordprocessor, spreadsheet,extended text editor, x-filer, animator (faulty at the moment, (now think the problem is a XawM library being absent)) and Postscript Viewer. Should allow some shrinkage when the matching apps etc. are removed. The pet's version is out of date but mostly works and will do for my early alpha's. Those that want much better I would expect to be loading a sfs already anyway.
Firefox 3.6.13 and Eudora (naturally) are in with Midori and sypheed out (only the apps so far, have to work out app dependant libs yet).
Have to sort out fonts next as it's all horrible in the browsers and such at the moment (don't know why), started working out the changes in the skeleton plus some other item's relating to above, then 526 (pre-alpha) and a bit if all apps basic testing before moving forward.
definately getting somewhere and having fun doing it.
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Fri 28 Jan 2011, 18:18
Post subject: lupt526
hm, one package to go in still but everything is getting big.
i'm now at 186meg, time to startr serious removal job....
but wait, if I offload apps to a zfile it should shrink my main by something decent (maybe), may also allow oo to be used that way, too big for main.
I also wonder, if I only had one window manager by default in there, ?what would that save (i'm thinking leave openbox in for a test).
tried a serious cut with all non-system related apps out, but wasn't happy with the results so did a stepback 2 and started again.
If anyone's interested, the siag problem is XawM release, was built with 6, we use 7, only needs ln's back to 6 from 7 to fix.
moving apps to a z-drive file is a waste of time at the moment, saved 25meg, going back to one file for now.
Ha, found the menu bits and pieces. Pet is xdg-puppy-lucid if anyones interested. The menu seems a little mixed up at first scan, d/l the specs from
, note Puppy is using 0.8 specs although latest is 1.1.. Found how easy it is to change top level, but you need a new savefile to see the change, the old one keeps the old menu version, don't know why, suspect it's imbeded when you have added a pet or two.
rearanged top level ok, now to work out how to modify the second and third levels. Not sure if I will ever be able to "drag and drop" as is on my work-list, but if I can make the existing one more user friendly it will have achieved it's primary goal.
on and up^
Back to top
Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1600
Location: the australian mallee
Posted: Thu 17 Feb 2011, 05:32
Post subject:
no I haven't abandoned this!
just having a comparison build between 5.2 and wary5 and working what I would find which would in the long term be the easiest to build what I want to do and later provide support.
am working through the packages
am awaiting a couple of pets to be completed to ease my work (I was told to never reinvent the wheel)
given a few problems back to barry with the latest woof update.
i've also decided to go back to uni (at the age of 59), but only part time and plan one-day-a-week to be assigned to puppy,
outside access to an alpha is about a month away still. It will appear on my puppy website
under a puppyrunt directory.
I have found there is a lot more repeditive testing is required to be done when building than I expected, no wonder ttuuxxx, playdayz, 01micko, barryk, shinobar etc are glad when a build is finished.
I don't consider what i'm doing as a true build, just a rework and expantion of function.
update: Yeah for trio, he was online yesterday and I took the chance to ask him if he had time to update his Petmaker Plus from 1.7.3 so it works with wary5, 5.2. etc. He has done so, and it works a treat.
Now I can rebuild a few things without reworking or having them fail.
Back to top
Display posts from previous:
All Posts
1 Day
7 Days
2 Weeks
1 Month
3 Months
6 Months
1 Year
Sort by:
Post Time
Post Subject
Page 1 of 1
[15 Posts]
View previous topic
View next topic
Forum index
Advanced Topics
Puppy Projects
Next Puppy Development
Jump to:
Select a forum
Forum index
|___ House Training
| |___ Beginners Help ( Start Here)
| |___ Users ( For the regulars )
| | |___ Usuarios de habla Hispana
| | |___ Für deutschsprachige Anhänger
| | |___ Pour les francophones
| |
| |___ HOWTO ( Solutions )
| |___ Bugs ( Submit bugs )
|___ Advanced Topics
| |___ Additional Software (PETs, n' stuff)
| | |___ Package Collections / Repositories
| | |___ Browsers and Internet
| | |___ Business
| | |___ Compiling
| | |___ Desktop
| | |___ Documents
| | |___ Drivers
| | |___ Educational
| | |___ Engineering/Science/Simulation
| | |___ Eye Candy
| | |___ Filesystem
| | |___ Games
| | |___ Graphics
| | |___ Multimedia
| | |___ Network
| | |___ Security/Privacy
| | |___ System
| | |___ Utilities
| | |___ Virtualization
| | |___ Unsorted
| |
| |___ Cutting edge
| | |___ Multi-session live-CD/DVD
| |
| |___ Hardware
| | |___ Audio
| | |___ Networking
| | | |___ Dialup
| | | |___ Ethernet
| | | |___ Wireless
| | |
| | |___ Printers
| | |___ Video
| |
| |___ Puppy Derivatives
| |___ Puppy Projects
| |___ Next Puppy Development
| | |___ 4.x
| | | |___ Bugs (4.x dev)
| | | |___ Usability Issues (4.x dev)
| | |
| | |___ 5.x
| | |___ Bugs (5.x dev)
| | |___ Usability Issues (5.x dev)
| |
| |___ Localization Project
| |___ Documentation Project
|___ Taking the Puppy out for a walk
| |___ Announcements
| |___ Puppy Power
| |___ Suggestions
| |___ Misc
|___ Off-Topic Area
|___ Programming
|___ Security
post new topics in this forum
reply to topics in this forum
edit your posts in this forum
delete your posts in this forum
vote in polls in this forum
attach files in this forum
download files in this forum
Powered by
© 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
[ Time: 0.0727s ][ Queries: 11 (0.0084s) ][ GZIP on ]


text:
One of the Japanese Food Restaurant in Chanthaburi and located in Robinson Complex, beside the Watson.
I think Their management team is from MK, good and polite service that satisfy customer. And without any more service charge.
Most of their food are delicious with quality.
Here is the Donburi Salmon set cost 169 Baht only. Enjoy!

subset: commoncrawl


text:
Reuters (link here)—"The global death toll from the Asian tsunami shot above 226,000 Wednesday after Indonesia's Health Ministry confirmed the deaths of tens of thousands of people previously listed as missing.. . . The Staggering death count . . . .
"Darfur Mortality Update: January 18, 2005" by Eric Reeves— "[E]vidence strongly suggests that total mortality in the Darfur region of western Sudan now exceeds 400,000 human beings since the outbreak of sustained conflict in February 2003. In other words, human destruction is more than twice that of the recent tsunami—and has now surpassed the half-way mark for the most commonly cited total for deaths in Rwanda during the genocide of 1994 (800,000).
"Moreover, as international humanitarian aid continues to stream abundantly toward the various areas devastated by the tsunami, the threat of massive secondary death from health-related causes has begun to diminish. By contrast, in Darfur the current mortality rate from genocide by attrition is approximately 35,000 per month and poised to grow rapidly. . . .
"Simply to juxtapose these two human catastrophes is to raise implicitly a series of deeply troubling questions about the priorities of news coverage, the commitments of the international political community, the responsibilities of humanitarian organizations, and the nature of our response to distant human suffering and destruction."
Yes, what about Sudan? In 1989, Lt. General Umar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir and the Arab-led Sudanese People's Armed Forces overthrew the democratic government in power at that time and imposed strict Muslim law and faith on the whole country. The South had a protected and special constitutional status under the democratic government, but with its overthrow and especially with the effort of the new regime to impose Muslim law throughout the country, the South revolted and a bloody civil war resulted with the thug regime murdering tens of thousands, outright enslvement, widespread rape, and refugees in the hundreds of thousands, with an overall death toll of possibly 2,000,000 people.
Because they live under a fundamentalist Muslim regime, even northern Sudanese far from the civil war or Darfur enjoy no human rights. For example, the government harasses and monitors women for correct dress, forbidding even slacks. Women who dare to defy the law risk arrest, conviction by an Islamic court of immoral dressing, and flogging, as recently happened to nine women students. Women also cannot hold any public office that would give them authority over Muslim men, nor can they marry a non-Muslim.
All must accept the Muslim faith. To further religious rule, the government appoints only Muslims to the judiciary. Police can arrest and imprison any commoner for up to six months without trial, and while detained, suspects can expect officials to torture them as a matter of course. Worst of all, a Muslim dare not convert to another religion, for the punishment for doing so is death.
But, of course, Sudan is a member in good standing of the international community (you know, the "community" we must consult and get approval from), the United Nations, and the UN Human Rights Commission.
Link of Note
" Abu Gharib: Inexplicable Arab Silence" (5/4/04)
By Linda S. Heard
This journalist was asking why there is not more outrage in the Arab world over . . . not what Sudan was doing to its people, not the mass murder, slavery, and deaths . . . but, the way Abu Gharib prisoners were treated by American guards. But then, it was the Arabnews.com that published this piece.


text:
from LA Daily News / by Greg Hernandez
t's always nice to talk with someone when they are having a good day.
Thursday was a very good day for Marion Cotillard, who called from Paris in good spirits because she had just been nominated for a Golden Globe Award for Best Actress for her acclaimed performance in "La Vie En Rose."
"It means that people appreciate your work, so it is something," she said. "You can say that it's very subjective or about an awards campaign. Me? I just enjoy the whole thing. Deeply, deeply, I don't care about awards. But I'm starting to have sparkles in my heart. So I asked myself, Well, you do like that. Be honest."
In "Rose," the 32-year-old actress portrays French singer Edith Piaf from her late teenage years into her late 40s. The movie's title is French for "Life in Pink," which was the signature song of Piaf.
"I didn't think about (awards) while we were shooting," Marion said. "We didn't have any idea of what it could be because it was very, very risky, to ask only one actress to do the whole thing from 19 years old to 47. Usually you ask two actresses. When I read this part with such a powerful character, I thought, This is bigger than my dream to play a whole life – an extremely intense, passionate life."
While she is enjoying the acclaim for "Rose," Marion is eager for the writers strike to end so she can work on director Rob Marshall's film version of the Broadway musical "Nine." After that, she has a French film which she describes as "an amazing love story in the African desert in the '30s."
But before work, there will be glamour.
Marion was named Best Actress recently at the Los Angeles Film Festival and returns to Southern California in just a few weeks to be honored by the Palm Springs Film Festival.
Then a few weeks later comes the Golden Globes.
"Of course I will be there," she said. "I'm really looking forward to coming because this is a very unique thing for a French girl. To have the opportunity to meet people I admire so much. I am just enjoying the present time. No pressure at all."


text:
Dodgers Re-Acquire Scott Proctor
Former Dodger farmhand Scott Proctor is coming back to the team. Four years after he was dealt to the Yankees with Bubba Crosby for Robin Ventura, Scott was re-acquired today in exchange for Wilson Betemit.
As most of you probably know, Scott seems to have an ability to pitch almost every other day in the big leagues, which is pretty tough to find.
115 Comments
This is terrible. Trade a switch-hitting power hitter who can play multiple positions and is only 25 for a mediocre middle reliever who has been pitched into the ground in New York. At a time when the Yankees are looking for relief help, isn't it suspicious that they got rid of none of them? Another case of Colletti trading surplus for pennies on the dollar just for the sake of making a deal. Terrible.
terrible. that's all the dodger did. that bites. i can't believe ned going to rely on bomko and henderison for the rest of the year.
Betemiss was expendable. I would have traded him to the Red Sox for some Fenway Franks instead though.
Proctor's problem was that he did pitch every other day in New York. The Dodgers have a better and deeper pen then the Yankees so they can really cut back on his innings and save his arm which has been his problem. Plus moving to Dodgers stadium and into a league with weaker offenses then the AL easy will help alot.
BTW, it's a common misconception, the deadline is at 1 p.m, but deals can be announced after the deadline, so long as they have the deal in place by 1 p.m, so in the next hour several deals will be announced.
I agree with Max on this one. I never liked Betemiss and he was the one kid that I was hoping would get traded. Having an extra arm in the pen will help out a lot. I think the next step will be to send down ramon martinez and to bring LaRoche back up. Nomar is going to need those days off and im not certain as to how well Ramon can play 3rd.
Yankees acquired third baseman Wilson Betemit from the Dodgers for RHP Scott Proctor.
The Dodgers could look awfully bad here if Betemit is the Yankees' third baseman next year and Proctor has undergone elbow surgery. The latter scenario is probably more likely. Betemit is one of the game's 30-best third baseman and is fine insurance for the possibility of Alex Rodriguez leaving, but A-Rod is unlikely to go anywhere and even if he does, the Yankees are rarely a team to settle. The switch-hitting Betemit could figure into the Yankees' picture at first base for the rest of the season. He'd outhit Andy Phillips as a first baseman against right-handers, but Phillips should keep playing versus lefties. He is also far better protection than Miguel Cairo in the event of an injury to Rodriguez or Derek Jeter.
I will put the Over-Under at August 15 as the date that Proctor goes on the DL for good!
I will take the under!
Make sure Roberto Hernandez keeps throwing in his backyard with his kid so that he is ready to return on short notice!
teams have about 10 more minutes to annouce deals.
Jon Meloan can do whatever Proctor could and more without giving up a potential 25-30 HR guy who can play 3rd, SS and 2B. Close minded fans will obsess about his strikeouts, but ignore his ability to get on base and hit for power. A package of Betemit, Navarro, Guzman and all the others Ned discarded could have filled a lot more needs than the return of Proctor, Hendrickson and Lugo.
This really hurts our bench.. We now have no left handed pinch hitters available at all..
LaRoche is the long term solution at third base and he always has been. I don't have a problem with this deal at all. LaRoche is gold, we needed an arm and we got one. We kept the kids, when we could have easlily given them away for Texiera and Dotel like Atlanta did. Ned kept the core together and paved a way for LaRoche while getting an arm. What's so terrible about that?
You realize Betemit isn't just a 3rd baseman, right?
Agreed with Alex(**** just froze over btw). I said a couple days ago that I'd consider this a successful deadline if we kept LaRoche, Loney, Kemp and Billingsley.
Spanner with the game on the line in a pinch hit situation you wouldn't rather have Olmedo Sanenz pinch hitting or Ramon Martinez? Both are almost hitting .200 vs righties. They do have 1 HR between them.
Sang. Save it man. A guy who can play all INF spots with an OPS/Slug the same as Russel Martin and better than Ethier is totally worth a middle reliver.
On this team, that's all he'd ever be, now he can platoon in N.Y at first base, I personally can't wait to watch Betemit strike out in a key moment to cost the Yankees a game.
actaully Ned really hurt our bench by DFAing Anderson and not Olmedo or Martinez.
Hooray for Ned! I got exactly what I wanted during this deadline … all the YOUNGLINGS intact and the future, which for the most part is here now with Bills, Kemp, Loney, Ethier, Martin, Abreu, et al ready to fill in at a moments notice!
its not an issue of being closed minded, look at betemit with the dodgers last year, we saw his potential in the second half. He earned a starting position at 3rd base and was given more than enough time, he blew it. in subsequent starts he has been less than impressive. If this trade is anything, it is among mediocre players, but we have seen how betemit plays starting for us and it just hasnt worked out. New scenery and a pitcher friendly ball park could work out nicely for Proctor.
Yeah, Alex. Because all that counts are "key moments" rather than what a player can contribute on a daily basis.
The reason "that's all he'd ever be" on this team is because you have a bunch of close-minded "baseball people" who would rather look at antiquated numbers like batting average and wax philosophical about staring into a man's soul and knowing he'll come through in "the clutch".
Go hang out with John Kruk or Joe Morgan or something.
Madres just keep taking apart that Bullpen. They just traded Royce Ring to the Braves for Wilfredo Ledezma. Ledezma was once a top prospect for the Tigers but has had some arm issues. Hes coming into petco with a 7.00+ era.
ESPN 920 in Las Vegas just announced that Young was called up from the 51's
I'm a little surprised he hasn't acquired a left handed bat for the bench yet. For tonight, with Kemp starting, Ethier can do that, but long term we're going to need one.
Probably to take betemiss spot. I bet Hull got sent back down as well.
delwyn young called up…. now to DFA seanz and blowberto.
Max: Ring was back in AAA. They didn't tear up anything.
Oh for the Betemit haters:
2007 Garciaparra: .330 OBP, .360 SLG
Betemit: .359 OBP, .474 SLG
But I'm sure you're happy with Nomar because he swings at the first pitch and grounds out rather than working counts and striking out like Betemit. Also, Nomaaaah hit a couple "clutch" HRs and has "been there". Oh yeah, he's from LA, so that makes him better for the team.
there is still a waiver deadline coming up in august. We could grab a cheap bat there and maybe even Matt Morris. THe Gnats want to dump his salary.
Young makes sense, switch hitter, that just answered my question. So Proctor took Betemit's spot, so Young for Hull?
I respect Ned for not caving in and trading away our top prospects but it would have been nice to acquire a starting pitcher.
Good to hear that Young has been called up, he deserves it.
DFA blowberto. hull is still better.
well maybe they are thinking that Young can get it done. All in all I will say I agree with Max and Alex. I am glad we didnt trade any of the main kids. Wilson was expendable, although in just my opinion I still think he will get better due to age. He reminds me alot of a young Ortiz when he was with Minnesota. But, he wasn't gonna get his shot with us. I would rather have Abreu (still just 22) or Laroche so all is cool. I just wouldn't have made the trade if that was the return, that's all.
Can anybody give me a scouting report on Delwyn Young please? Strengths, weaknesses, how's his arm…?
Are you serious about Matt Morris?
And how can you guys laugh at Wil Ledezma moving to Petco, but insist Proctor will be better going to DS? DS doesn't suppress HRs and it's not the pitchers' park everyone thinks it is.
Young is here to pinch hit. He's got a ton of extra base power.
any updates on Kent's hammy?
wheres the line up?
Morris was just traded to Pittsburgh
yeah just saw that. Im surprised they didnt dump Durham and Vizquel.
what about LaRoche?
do they trust martinez to platoon nomar in 3rd this year?
bring in LaRoche too!
This Betemit trade was terrible. He should have been our everyday 3rd baseman until Laroche is ready. Nomar stinks and this just means more playing time for him. Ned should have traded Nomar for Proctor.How come Ned keeps the garbage and gets rid of players who might be able to contribute? If the Ds don't make the playoffs Ned and Grady should go. I hope MCcourt is watching.
I just hope we don't need PROCTOR as much as the Yankees did. They really wore him out.
Ned has done some bad things…but the betemit trade is far from the worst.
nomar stinks? wth ? betimit got the spot given to him and he did nothing, nomar's playing third because there was a whole there, la roche ****** while he was up earier too.maybe if they didnt **** it up we wouldnt need nomar, but they did …and we do
So here we go again.. The Dodgers still have all these "great" prospects and no vetrens to make a penneant run with… Its funny we've heard for the last 5-6 years about all of these prospects… but they don't deliver Pujols, or Prince Fielder or Ryan Howard numbers… So we have a team that is going to fall flat on its face come October once again… but hey look at the bright side… we have all these prospects that can win at AA. Hmmmmm… getting on the bandwagon.. maybe next year… OR NOT!
It's not even close, the idea Betemit is an everyday player is ridiculous. Nomar may have turned his entire season around, he's been looking good lately. Whether it continues remains to be seen. We still need a starter, that's the one thing I'm upset about, but the kids are still here, so it eases the blow.
in fact trading for betemit LAST YEAR was the mistake
I'd say that Young is a bit of a downgrade from Betemit as far as a lefty pinch hitter… but he does provide us more outfield depth also..
I guess we have martinez and saenz as the backup infielders now.
whats the difference of "non waiver" trades?
I think we just stay on the Blue bandwagon and root them home. This team will be alright, they will get help from within when Wolf returns and Lowe will be back and continue to pitch well. I am not giving up on our bullpen and i really believe that Grady will play the "kids" a bit more down the stretch. If we were in the East, i'd be worried, but we're not..Go Dodgers!!!
do u realize just how big ryan howard is? we would never have a guy like him…
ryan howard's body is like shaq's! that's why he has alot of power!
u just have 2 wait for matt kemp to gain more experience!
he's a 20-30+ HR guy!
So Rangers offered Tex 140mil/8yrs and he turned them down.
good luck Atlanta!
giving nomar another chance at 3rd is a good decision though… look at jeff kent… when he struggled we wish that he's not even a dodger… look what jeff is doing now… he's crushing the ball…
Betemit has more homeruns in a lot less ABs than Nomar. Betemit can also take a walk more often than Nomar. It's not that I was in love with Betemit, I just think there was more of an upside with him over Nomar, and on a team that lacks power I'd rather they'd continue to play Betemit.
i don't get that morris trade. what were the pirates thinking. now they have to pay morris and he is how old. Are th epirates trying to make a playoff push???
nomar don't walk alot but he does not strike out alot also… nomar keeps the ball in play… but like some other players who struggles they hit it to a person…
betemit is an inning killer…
it's either looking on a 3rd strike or swinging on it…
Kudos to Colletti. He knows he has something special in his farm system and he didn't bow to the pressure of short sighted fans. Isn't it intersting that the Rangers wanted more from the Dodgers than they got from Atlanta? Isn't it also interesting that the Royals wanted more from the Dodgers than they got from the Braves? Oakland wanted the "Farm' from the Dodgers for Blanton. It seems obvious to me that what the Dodgers are putting together for the future is frightening for a lot of teams. While some of the Dodgers' trades have not worked out, they did make sense when made. I predict that Delwyn Young will be a bigger contributor than Betemit, even though he is a liability defensively.
good job by NED…i'm sure other teams were asking for the farm for their players in a trade, and Ned wasn't going to let them go for what was offered.
I'm okay with the proctor trade because as we've seen, our bullpen has been overworked lately, and proctor getting a change of scenary and not having to work day in and day out might help him. He has a pretty respectful ERA from a tough AL EAST, so he should help our club.
Hate to see betemit go, but you aren't going to make everyone happy, and as a GM, i don't expect NED to make all of the posters here happy with his moves.
i agree with u mfuller…
i notice that too…
i was wondering why is it that the rangers have got just one decent player with salty and the other are just wash up!
Here's a poll for ya all —
Which Dodger prospect do you BELIEVE will be a bonifide SUPERSTAR? Pick more than one if you want.
(Superstar is defined as a player much like or better than …Pujols, J. Santana, Ryan Howard, or Manny Ramierez)
1. Matt Kemp
2. James Loney
3. Tony Abreu
4. Adam LaRoche
5. Clayton Kershaw
6. Joe Meloan
7. Chad Billingsly
8. Jonathan Broxton
9. Delwyn Young
10. Write-in Candidate _______
I'll go with Billingsly and Kershaw … they could be the next Glavine and Maddux, only for the Dodgers though.
I've seen power flashes in Kemp and Loney, only time will tell with them.
what are you trying to prove? the majority of kids we've brought to the majors have been successful. are they not worth keeping unless they're bonafide superstars???
Billingsley, Kershaw, Kemp and LaRoche. Two aces, two 30 HR hitters.
matin hasn't peaked out yet,he'll have some .320 -.350 seasons and besides that i like j. loney
Billingsly – 1
Kershaw – 1
Billingsly – 1
Kershaw – 1
Martin – 1 (WI)
Loney – 1
Too soon to say really, especially for someone like Kershaw, who is still very young.
But given your definition of superstar, it's very possible none of those players become that. Those are the best players in the game.
But I would say these have the best chance, in order:
1) Kemp
2) Billingsley
3) Kershaw
4) LaRoche
Anyone remember when Nomar's body couldn't handle playing third base?
Was that just a lie?
there's no reason to tell who's going to be the superstar… all i know is all of them are going to have a successful years…
totally agree with pcj505s order BTW
hes been resting over at first base for a year and a half
A strikeout is better than a DP.
jspelk –
I'm not trying to prove anything … just have a little fun with the bloggers. But if you want to know why I did this … I was just wondering who others thought had "the right stuff" to be talked about in the same breath as the players I look forward to seeing play the game.
You wrote: are they not worth keeping unless they're bonafide superstars??? Answ: Everyone is worth keeping when they produce and bring wins to LA. But very few become SUPERSTARS!!
we're gonna have to buy a superstar……a-rod…..if we want one
Billingsly – 3
Kershaw – 3
Kemp – 2
LaRoche – 2
Martin – 1 (WI)
Loney – 1
well i guess bill and kershaw is the favorite…
what about martin he's our hero this year…
and if you ask me he's already a superstar…
As you notice on my list, I did not write A-Rod, because his type of player only arrives on the scene once every 10 or 15 years. I thought the names I named were more reachable superstars to gauge our prospects to.
Billingsly – 4
Kershaw – 4
Kemp – 2
LaRoche – 2
Martin – 2 (WI)
Loney – 1
Blog note: Martin a superstar: I value your opinion, and I hope he gets there someday. IMHO he's not there yet.
if we wanted a superstar we should have signed one instead of expecting one from the farm. we are the second biggest market in the country and have no stars on our team. its still a pretty good team though.
Let me ask you yeasone…do you think that what you have seen from Kemp so far..if given a full season could he do this? (or more or less?)I am asking, not telling.
here is his line now
The top guys are A-rod and Puljos at Kemps age now.
well, there's always a hope we can have A-ROD in dodger blue along with the kids like bills, kershaw, kemp, laroche, martin and loney..
AROD is a free agent after this summer afterall :)….one can only hope we can throw all the money in the world at him and the yankee's dont beat it and then we can have a true dynasty for years to come 🙂
kemps BABIP is very high i believe, jungar. although yes, he has done quite well. im not expecting him to turn into more than like a mike cameron or hopefully alex rios. but both of those are very good players.
do u think prince filder can do it again by hitting 30 HR next year?
i just have some doubts… i have a feeling that the pitchers underestimated him and he took advantange to it…
fielder is a baller… 35+ next year easy.
Regarding Martin, I think he is a superstar among catchers. But it's hard to classify catchers as superstars in general (they don't get enough respect), because the position puts such a physical and mental strain on their bodies, that they usually can't produce the numbers offensively that a "superstar" does. How many catchers over the last couple of decades could you call a superstar? Piazza maybe, but his defense was subpar.
i've seen an mlb experts blog saying that the dodgers are losers coz they hold up to their prospects…
i think it's insane coz there's not really other options there…
martin has been the hero this year… he can hit the ball the other way…
just look at what he does last game in colorado…
he hit the ball so hard if they were just playing in dodger stadium that time he might have hit all those 3 for HR's instead he only hit one…
red sox, along with NYY, will be after A-Rod this off-season too. Can we really out-bid those two teams?
the dodger are losers in the trade deadline. anyone that going to rely on bomko and henderison for the rest of the year. are losers in my book.
jspelk2: kemps BABIP is very high i believe, jungar. although yes, he has done quite well. im not expecting him to turn into more than like a mike cameron or hopefully alex rios. but both of those are very good players.
I hope you're wrong about that (and I'm sure you do, too). I think that Kemp will be better than Cameron or Rios; I just think Kemp is a more well rounded player than both of those. In fact, I've always felt that Cameron is one of the most overrated players in baseball. Cameron always seems to be swinging for the fences, and his average and strikeouts show it.
PCJ505 — I would put Pudge, Piazza, Johnny Bench in the same category. Benito Santiago was pretty good in his prime days also.
I really feel we could have gotten a little more for Betemit now I have to be honest I saw Betemit play (ESPNDeportes) in the winter leagues & he didn't impress much I wish we could have gotten more for Betemit but this trade really doesn't disappoint me all that much.
ps I wish things could have worked out for him here in L.A. but they just didn't.
Well, the Dodgers came away losers at the non-waiver trade deadline while the Yankees and Red Sox came away winners. It is possible to make some beneficial moves without dealing your elite prospects.
Proctor is flotsam and jetsam. Betemit should have had more value. I don't see how it makes sense to trade a 25-year-old infielder with a 100+ OPS+ the past three years for a 30 year old reliver with two seasons of sub-5.40 ERA production.
Proctor has below-average control (29 walks)and has nothing more than a straigth as an arrow 95-mph arm that's going to fall off his shoulder sometime in the next year, guaranteed.
i thought flotsam and jetsam was lurch and tomko? lol.
DD17 — We won't even be in the running, because McCourt would never let the "Devil" Boras talk him into a $30-32 MPY contract.
We'll be used like pawns to up the price with no chance to get the player … can you say Valdimir Guerrero?
I know, I know … your going to tell me the team sale was what held that deal up … but who was buying the team … RIGHT! McCourt!
thank you ned for not trading our future, as far as the poll goes, I believe that all those listed, as a group will make the dodgers a super team for many years to come. It is the team as a whole, not one superstar that makes a team.
I also believe that those that are saying the betemit trade was a bad one, were booing his every strikeout just a month or so ago.
I believe that ned could have traded 15 to 20 our our top prospects in just a few hours,
not just because some of us believe they are the future, but that most, if not all the other teams think they could be their future,
I believe that other teams have always ask for more in a trade with the dodgers, because we usually have more to give, and other teams are jealous of the dodgers, past and our future.
I believe d. young is getting called up because so many other teams would have taken him in a new york minute, so Ned needs to see what he can do
to be part of our future.
I belive that those of you who say a prospect is just a prospect until he proves himself in the majors, so they can be traded for vets, only need to look back a few years ago to 2002 to see the start of the dodgers now, and the future, Loney, broxton, martin only needed a few years to get here 2003 wedrafted bills,La roche, and kemp, the o4,05, 06, 07 drafts will allow the team to
grow togeter, not old as other teams grow.
I belive in the dodgers, and I am thankful for what we have.
Bonds in the Lineup
ESPN.com news services
Barry Bonds' quest to overtake Hank Aaron resumes in the home of the San Francisco Giants' most bitter rival, adding another intriguing — and possibly historic — element to their long history with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Needing one homer to tie Aaron, Bonds and the Giants (45-58) meet the Dodgers (57-48) on Tuesday night (airing on ESPN2) in the start of a three-game series. Bonds was penciled in to the starting lineup, and commissioner Bud Selig will be in attendance.
Let me sum up what I think Colletti has done for this team:
R U saying White should be the GM in 2008????
Wow… NC keeps the farm intact, he keeps the roster, that is in 1st place, together he doesn't affect the payroll so that there is room for free agency during the off season (A-Rod) and messagebear wants him gone..Easy!!!
Proctoscope for Betemit was a stupid trade. Why not unload Bimko and "Harry and the Hendersons?" With as deep a farm system the Dodgers have they could have been a little more active with hurting their future. With this deal the Dodgers are going to be lucky to finish third in the west.
It's to bad Drysdale or Koufax isn't pitching for the Dodgers against the Giants. They could show Bonds what real "Chin Music" was all about. Bonds' body armor wouldn't last.
At the end of the day, who gives a hoot about Barry Bonds if we beat the Giants and Pads and DBacks do each other in?? Right?? Anyone, anyone…
Regardless of how betemit turns out with the Yankees, getting Proctor was a must because he was the only pitcher available without greatly impacting the farm system. One thing we knopw from experience is that the Atlanta GM has been a good evaluator of talent, and for some reason he let Betemit leave without getting much for him. Betemit had an opportunity to prove himself with the dodgers and he failed. I'd rather give our highly touted prospects an opportunity to prove themselves with the Dodgers rather than have three or four of them become stars with other teams because we lacked patience and panicked when misfortunes struck our pitching staff. We have to stick with the big plan even if it means not winning this year. I guarantee you that our fans would have become irate if we had given up on several prospects who become stars for other teams.
I still think the Yankees got the better of the deal, but since we didn't give up the farm for Blanton, which I think is what happen there, I think the non deal made up for the deal. Let's just hope for best. Everyday there is only one important thing and that is TO WIN. The future may depend on today let's hope it's in OUR favor.
I have no problem with this trade for a number of reasons:
1. I believe the potential runs driven in by Betemit as a pinch-hitter this last half of the season would be less than the potential number of runs prevented with Proctor pitching (in place of the other middle relievers like Hernandez, Stults, Houlton).
2. Besides the K/BB ratio, Proctor's stats are pretty comparable to Dotel's. Plus, his salary is less and we didn't have to give up a prospect, which the Royals were asking for.
3. Betemit has reached his potential and with Andy LaRoche on his heels, he became expendable. Sure, Betemit came up as **** and can play a number of positions, but with his conditioning, do you really want him to? The Yankees and Dodgers both know that he's basically a corner infielder for life.
4. I think Betemit earned this trade with how poorly he played in the beginning of the season. How many games could we have won if he wasn't batting below the Mendoza line? He has pretty much become a poor-man's Adam Dunn at the plate, and with the style of our offense, we need speed and/or AVG. Betemit has neither (from either side of the plate).
5. Nomar isn't putting up Nomar-esque numbers, but he's not that bad. Plus, he puts fans in the seats.
6. Despite all the Teixeira talk, the need was pitching, and when Matt Morris is the best starting pitcher available, you gotta go with relief, which Colletti did. The asking prices for Garland and Blanton were too high. We have good starting pitchers, when they are all healthy. Why should we give away MLB-ready prospects just for 1 run at the post-season. If we did do that, then we could become like the Yankees: buying/renting mercenary talent with a depleted farm system. Who want's to be like the Yankees?
Extra thoughts: I sure hope the Stans (Johnston and Conte) take care of this guy better than they have our other pitchers.
How the heck did the Braves get Dotel for that Davies guy? Davies' stats are Tomko-like. I'd give up Tomko for Dotel in a heartbeat! Of course, with our prospects, I'm sure the asking price would be different.
Logan White is the reason the dodgers will be good for the next 5 years.
I just started reading the blog here so i'm coming in a bit late. When Betemit wasn't severely frustrating me, I liked him. I think he has untapped potential to be really good. However, I agree with Alex 100%:
LaRoche is the long term solution at third base and he always has been. I don't have a problem with this deal at all. LaRoche is gold, we needed an arm and we got one. We kept the kids, when we could have easlily given them away for Texiera and Dotel like Atlanta did. Ned kept the core together and paved a way for LaRoche while getting an arm. What's so terrible about that?
Because it's KC Doh. You know KC needs all the pitchers they can get.
For the poll:
1. Martin
2. Kemp
3. Loney
Is this an Angels blog? Some of you people are nuts. You cry that the Dodgers didn't upgrade the starters. There was only one quality SP out there, Blanton. There would be riots if Colleti gave in to the A's and gave up Kershaw, Hu, and LaRoche (or something along those lines). It's either that or start giving up prospects for guys like Davies, Morris, or Lohse.
Then I read some comments asking why Ned didn't unload Tomko and Lurch. Seriously? What could he get back for them? This isn't fantasy baseball where you can dump off **** on a clueless GM. I'm not even going to go any farther on why this is ridiculous.
The Betemit-Proctor trade had to happen. Betemit is nothing more than Ramon Martinez with power. The guy will never be an everyday starter (which is why Bobby Cox let him go in the first place). Dude isn't worth much which is why the Dodgers didn't get anything great in return. Proctor will be a nice 6/7th inning guy which the Dodgers desperately need. Not to mention the Dodgers already have Nomar and Kent (with 500 AB's) for another year plus better prospect at 2B/SS/3B with Abreu, Hu, and LaRoche. If it wasn't for a handful of pinch hit homeruns Betemit would have been worthless. Stop with all the talks about his high OBP and walk ratio. That had way more to do with the guy batting 8th most of the year than anything else (same thing with LaRoche when he came up).
Just stop with all the nonsense. You make us sound like Angel or Padre fans.
Frank you are dead on. The farm system was absolutely dead until Dan Evans made it a priority to restore it. Now it is one of the best. We don't need a Pujols, A-Rod, Howard, etc. They are few and far between. We need a bunch of good players, with good work ethics, and are Dodgers. The fab 4 infield was amazing but none of those guys were superstars. They were good as a unit not dominant as individuals. How many highly priced vets we traded for or acquired as free agents have made us significantly better? Gibson and Butler are two. I can name many disappointments but too many successes with big buck veteran players.It would seem the road to success for most teams is to build from within and fill in any weak spots. We haven't heard of these prospects for ages. They started in 2002 and several are on board now as very young players. Good job Ned! GO DODGERS!!
Lath- Pure genius!!! I love every word and couldn't agree with you any more.
I love that Ned kept the kids…but you have to admit, Ned gave us no chance this year in the off season..I think he had one of the worst off seasons of any general manager..We are stuck with Pierre for another 4 years, when we could have signed Kenny Lofton for one year and had a much better hitter and on base guy…and waited for a good center fielder in free agency or from within..I don't think Kemp is ready yet…that would have really helped us…Then he signs 2 pictchers with arm problems..I didn't even want Schmidt before the injury..Just like his other Giant signing, Tomko, these guys were on the downside before they got to the Dodgers…that kind of doomed us in my mind..We have no bench now since Ned gave up on our best bench player, Anderson…and kept the slow, sweet Saenz..who hasn't been good all year..I cringed last night when I saw him come up in another pressure situation..oh surprise, a strike out..When will they see he is probably a great guy but one we don't need anymore…And how many games will we win with Hernandez, Seanez etc in the bullpen..
And…who thinks we get swept with Hendrickson and Tomko pitching the next 2 nights?..
Could we have looked any worse last night?….To me a big difference this year is that Furcal and Pierre don't get on base as much as Furcal and Lofton did…that's why we were so successful last year…they were always on base…..
Love my Dodgers, but don't think they have any chance the way they are currently constructed….also bet Randy Wolf doesn't return to rotation…
Sorry for the doom and gloom but this is what Ned did to us
Another note all:
Just read the guy from foxsports.com about the trade deadline and each division..
For NL WEST
Dodgers got worse
Padres got slightly better
DBacks stayed even.
Said Betemit was a best choice for 3rd as of now..
Still don't like the trade either….
A lot of good points everyone.
Time will tell on this trade. We did need an arm. Let's hope Proctor can get the job done. If he does, its probably a good trade. I would like to have kept Betty as our utility infielder as I believe he is a much better choice than Saenz at this point. Martinez is OK and may just pick it up a bit with some more playing time.
Let's just hope Lowe is OK. If he goes down, we're sunk.


text:
Monday, April 24, 2006
Morris Yarowsky, second post
Yesterday I mentioned to a friend that Morris Yarowsky had passed away, not knowing if they even had any relationship, and it turned out that this friend had helped Morris pack up and move his studio from Fulton Hill to Baltimore. He wasn't aware Morris had died.
Getting home tonight I find that a friend of Morris has sent the following e-mail -
"I saw your notes about Professor Yarowsky on your blog. I was Morris' good friend and I was very heartened to see the kind words of his former students. I have sent the comments from your blog to his wife and son. I would be very interested to know of any memorial efforts and if you need any assistance re any memorial material please let me know. I have attached the obituary which appeared in the Washington Post this week."
Dennis shared (in the previous post's comments) that VCU/PAPR is preparing a book with drawings and memories and photos. Materials can be dropped off to Richard Roth at his office, or email firstname.lastname@example.com for more info.
Below is Morris' Washington Post obituary, followed by the comments from the previous post. Please feel free to leave further comments, the will probably be forwarded to his family.
Obituaries, Tuesday, April 18, 2006; Page B07, Morris Yarowsky, Artist, Professor -
"Morris Yarowsky, 73, an artist and art professor, died of pancreatic cancer March 20 at Gilchrist Center for Hospice Care in Towson, Md. He lived in Towson.
Mr. Yarowsky taught painting, art theory and criticism at numerous schools, including Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond for the past 35 years, commuting there from his homes in Montgomery and Howard counties.
His work was shown in galleries and museums in the United States and Israel. An abstract impressionist, he borrowed images from popular culture to create a signature style. During a 1984 show at the old Anton Gallery, Washington Post critic Paul Richard said, "Yarowsky, who was painting in San Francisco in the 1950s, borrows without shame from Popeye and Picasso, from Gorky and Guston, but his paintings are protected by their subtle, knowing wryness."
He was born in Pottsville, Pa., and graduated from Dartmouth University. He received a master's degree in philosophy from Columbia University, then moved to the West Coast, where he received a master's degree in fine arts from what is now the California College of Arts in Oakland, Calif., in 1959. Mr. Yarowsky began teaching at the San Francisco Art Institute and became its dean.
In 1970, he moved east and began teaching at VCU, from which he retired in 2005.
An amateur musician since boyhood, Mr. Yarowsky played viola in string quartets and the Richmond Community Orchestra.
His first marriage, to Harriet Yarowsky, ended in divorce.
Survivors include his wife, Pei Feng, of Towson; a son from his first marriage, Max Yarowsky of New York; two stepsons, Steve Wang and Mike Wang, both of Los Angeles; and three sisters."
Comments from the previous post -
Dennis Matthews said...
hey martin, i received an email from Roth about last week, it was actually about 3 weeks ago. Very sad, he will be missed most definitely. He went pretty quickly from what I hear, he had been sick for a little while. Let people know that they are preparing a book with drawings and memories and photos. The stuff can be dropped off to Roth at his office or they can email firstname.lastname@example.com for more info. Dennis
w said...
Sorry to hear this - I enjoyed his painting and criticism classes. I liked his work too...
martin said...
i enjoyed his class also. he was very open-minded and supportive.
tmmartin said...
Very sad to hear this news. He will be missed.
Anonymous said...
Once he said "Painting is like the piano," meaning it's limited, but vast. I hope he said this to lots of people.
vgriswold said...
I am sorry to hear about Prof. Yarowsky's passing. His criticism courses profoundly affected my attitudes and approach to making and viewing art. He was a great teacher.
14 comments:
- Michael McDevitt said...
When I think of Morris, I immediately remember his critiques, which were some of the more interesting crits of my VCU experience. At first I thought that he was being overly permissive and simply patting backs. Much to my surprise, hours passed as we, the students, were painlessly coaxed into new explorations and considerations. Those conversations were a great pleasure, and I am thankful that I had the privilege to take part in them.
Though I was only one of the multitude, Morris was always willing to offer up a kind word of encouragement or a challenging bit of insight... and then he would go back to his palm pilot, and I would bound down the crowded hall and back to painting.
- Anonymous said...
YES! he was eternally on his palm pilot.. always found that funny..
- Anonymous said...
that's true, he was ALWAYS writing down everything on that thing, but he still couldn't keep an appointment - it was very funny.
- w said...
I knew him pre-palm pilot back in the early 90s - back then he always had a newspaper...
I agree Michael, he had a quiet way of showing us students some direction on our paths. His painting class came at a good time for me and I'm thankful for his amused guidance.
His criticism class was good too - never making us feel stupid or dumb. He just wanted to explore and talk about things.
Finally, I really remember him (along with Mr. Kevorkian) wearing his white lab coat in painting class (it was hard for me to recognize him with out it). I started thinking of him as some kind of scientist, an art scientist.
- Warren Craghead
- Anonymous said...
I took several classes with Morris in the early-mid 90s ( pre-palm pilot) and he was also a professor of mine for independent study/painting. I learned so much from his criticism classes, as well as his painting critiques of my work. At the time I was not able to assimilate all that he said- but was quite amused a couple of years after completing my studies at VCU, while painting in my studio, his words were the ones that popped in my head most often.Thet were usually the words that stung a bit at the time I originally heard them(after many words of encouragement right before the sting!) They came to me at the exact right times to help me push through a painting dilemma. He will be missed- but his art and advice lives on.
Beth Beaven
- Anonymous said...
Missing from Morris's Washington Post obituary are two significant facts: that he is survived by his second wife (with whom he lived for nearly 12 years), Rebecca -- the daughter of his close friend, the Bay Area figurative painter James Weeks (1922-1998)-- and a stepdaughter, Molly Caitlin Flynn, currently residing in Brooklyn, NY.
- Anonymous said...
Morris Yarowsky was my painting professor years ago, in 1969. This evening I was just surfing around and discovered the sad fact that he had passed away.
He was a wonderful teacher and certainly the sharpest and most interesting painting teacher I ever had. After the first critique, I knew he was special and I decided to really listen to what he had to say. He taught me a great deal.
- Anonymous said...
peter reginato sent an e-mail he said i could post here -
"I just noticed your post on Morris Yarowsky.
I went to school at the SFAI in 63-66 and had Morris for a teacher but also got very friendly with him and used to hang out a bit together. I think? when he moved he gave me this great old round wood table that I later gave to my mom who had it restored but what I mainly remember is his paintings of light bulbs in a very black background with silver spray paint around the bulbs ..great stuff..."
- Peter Reginato
- Martin said...
i am back re-reading this post 5/10/07, because someone googled morris, and i almost couldn't remember who the friend i start out talking about is... so i need to put his name here or i will forget completely.
jeremy parker.
- Anonymous said...
I was in that same pre-palm pilot class that Beth Beaven was in. I was going thru a rough personal patch at the time and Mr. Yarowsky's class was a port in the storm. I still have and appreciate paintings I did in that class, as opposed to most of my other student work.
- Anonymous said...
I was an old old friend of Morris'. We had a weekly radio show "Eat with Morris" in Eugene when he taught at the University of Oregon. He had an Art of Destruction derby, a Diseases of the Mouth show, plus The Chrome Heart Chamber, a theater piece that took place on twelve beds. He played the violin at parties, was always seen reading Artforum and The New York Times, gave students credit for things like teaching him to play pool and I got advanced credit for the radio show. He got students to stop painting flowers and throw away their tiny brushes. He also inspired us to read art criticism and value popular culture. I felt he was my best friend ever and kept in touch with him over the years. I even sent him one of his old workshirts covered with paint just before he got married the last time and a copy of Diseases of the Mouth that I had just found. I really miss him.
- Anonymous said...
Bless the late 60's and early 70'. Back then you were a wild and unpredictable character. I loved that about you. Your brilliance illuminated the space around you and you were rare, powerful and inspiring. You insisted that I bury a crate of your paintings from the San Francisco days. I did not. The paint is still wet.
- Anonymous said...
Sad news about Morris. He was our painting seminar Prof from 1982 until we graduated in 1984 with the MFA. He certainly challenged us to think critically. Logical Positivism for the philosophical base with Clement Greenberg & Harold Rosenberg for the painting critiques. He loved the NY Times and we drank a few beers during the seminars. He had a kindness too. We did frustrate him with our lack of back stabbing each other - he wanted drama. It was a good experience and I grew as an artist because of Morris.
- Nancy said...
This post is way out of time... I am really sad to see this news! Of all the professors I had at the U of O, Morris Yarowsky was the one I remember. Like others here, I remember the open discussions and critiques that came several times a semester. They were life changing in their scope for me. I will always carry with me those discussions and the kindly way Morris encouraged each of us in our art.


text:
I just recently joined the iFamily and I couldn't be happier!
Just thought I'd share some tidbits of my life, via instagram :)
Follow me @mm_huynh
(1) sofia riesling is delicious (2) getting back into reading after 'the hunger games' trilogy wooed me back (3) my love, baba ganoush (4) stripey metallic nails (5) dad & the babs (6) pretty fabric that i'm hoping to diy into something (7) water against pavement (8) feet needed some sunshine (9) morning breakfast
(1) my new diy studded iPhone case (2) sparkly vegas nights (3) tea + chambre de sucre sugars (4) mind was a jumble (5) baba and his doggie ice cream treat (6) sunset drives are best
(1) almond custard buns (2) art deco nails (3) silhouettes (4) me & coffee (5) blueberry almond frangipane fruit tart (6) diy chain rings (7) mixed print nail love (8) my furry love sleeping soundly (9) lemons, to make lemon bars!
As you can see, I just love instagramming my nails, my dog and my DIY projects, but sometimes a bit of food and nature sneaks their way in as well ;)


text:
Notice: On April 23, 2014, Statalist moved from an email list to a forum, based at statalist.org.
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
RE: st: Arrow diagram connecting before and after categories
"David Radwin" <firstname.lastname@example.com>
RE: st: Arrow diagram connecting before and after categories
Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:04:31 -0700 (PDT)
Stata 12 does include a facility for drawing path models as part of its
structural equation modeling capability. I'm not sure if it will solve
your problem or not. See
http://www.stata.com/stata12/structural-equation-modeling for an example.
David Radwin
Senior Research Associate
MPR Associates, Inc.
2150 Shattuck Ave., Suite 800
Berkeley, CA 94704
Phone: 510-849-4942
Fax: 510-849-0794
> -----Original Message-----
> From: firstname.lastname@example.com [mailto:owner-
> firstname.lastname@example.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cox
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:16 AM
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: st: Arrow diagram connecting before and after categories
> -linkplot- is from SSC. Please note the request to explain where
> user-written programs you refer to come from. I see no problem in
> using one y variable with different labels, as marker labels exist for
> that purpose.
> Multiple arrows from one node (vertex) to several others are no
> problem so long as each edge or link is represented by an observation.
> Thus if a preliminary diagnosis is refined to a final diagnosis for
> various persons
> "A" "beginner problem" "didn't read manual"
> "A" "beginner problem" "model wrong for data"
> "A" "beginner problem" "needs new code"
> "B" "beginner problem" "syntax error"
> "C" "beginner problem" "data wrong for model"
> "C" "beginner problem" "version conflict"
> that is unproblematic so long as the data structure is as above.
> Your problem thus sounds easy but see for details
> Cox, N.J. 2009. Paired, parallel, or profile plots for changes,
> correlations, and other comparisons.
> Stata Journal 9(4): 621-639
> Abstract. Paired, parallel, or profile plots showing the values of
> two variables may be constructed readily using a combination of graph
> twoway commands. This column explores the principles and practice of
> such plot-making, considering both wide and long (panel or
> longitudinal) data structures in which such data may appear.
> Applications include analysis of change over time or space and indeed
> any kind of correlation or comparison between variables. Such plots
> may be extended to show numeric values and associated name
> information.
> That said, it is not clear how effective such graphs will be as
> numerous identical links are shown by the same arrow and Stata doesn't
> readily support lines proportional in thickness to some other
> variable. Depending on how many diagnoses you have I am led to suggest
> -tabplot- (SSC) as an alternative.
> Nick
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:56 PM, Mollie Hogan <firstname.lastname@example.com>
> wrote:
> > I am hoping to get some help with a graphing issue. I'm trying to
> > create what I can best describe as a before/after arrow diagram
> > showing reclassification of categorical variables.
> >
> > I have a dataset where each observation is one death. Each death goes
> > through a review process, and I have one variable showing the cause of
> > death before the review process, and another variable showing the
> > cause of death after the review process. I want a diagram that has, on
> > the left side, the list of causes BEFORE the review and then on the
> > right side, the list of causes AFTER the review. I want each case
> > represented by a line connecting the appropriate before and after
> > causes. Pretty straightforward, right? The hitch is that the "before"
> > categories are in broad groupings and the "after" causes are more
> > specific than that. So the list of causes before and after is not the
> > same.
> >
> > I have tried several things: linkplot got me the closest, but I cannot
> > label the "before" and "after" categories with different labels (since
> > it's just the one yvar). I have started trying to overlay many line
> > graphs, and then add text manually, but I have quite a lot of
> > categories and thought I would ask and see if anyone has any other
> > thoughts about a good approach or user-written command that might do
> > the trick.
> >
> > I am running Stata 11.2 on a Mac, but can access 12.1 on Windows if
> > the solution lies there!
* For searches and help try:
* http://www.stata.com/help.cgi?search
* http://www.stata.com/support/statalist/faq
* http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/stata/


text:
Antitrust Case Filings
Antitrust Case Filings
To filter the list of cases, select desired options from the left navigation pane.
View the list of NAICS and SIC industry codes used by the Division. To view all industry codes, visit Census.gov.
Displaying 1 - 1 of 1
|Case Open Date
|Incident Date
|Case Type
|Federal Court
|Industry Code
|U.S. v. Eagle Electric Manufacturing Co., Inc. et al.
|September 28, 1978
|Civil Non-Merger
|Massachusetts, District of
|Construction Materials, NEC, Switchgear and Switchboard Apparatus


text:
Tagged: Dan Uggla
Kellan Visits CBP (9/5/2011)
Citizens Bank Park is the closest MLB stadium to our house. But it is also sold out every single game. Its crowded. It's expensive. It's not nearly as easy as, say, going to a game in Baltimore or DC. That's why it has taken me so long to get Kellan to a Phillies game. But on September 5, 2011, Labor Day, it finally happened.
Actually, that has been the plan all season. I bought tickets for this game months ago…before they were sold out, so I got them from the Phillies, instead of paying double in the "secondary market."
All week, Colleen warned that the weather would be terrible. But I'm a big believer in ignoring weather reports and assuming things will work out for the best. When we arrived at the ballpark…
…the weather was perfect. Warm, but not too hot. Couldy, but try. Perfect.
Once the gates opened, we headed to our standard beginning-of-BP-in-Philadelphia spot – the LF corner in foul territory:
At the beginning of BP, only LF and Ashburn Alley are open to fans. In that last picture, you can see a yellow, plastic chain behind us, blocking us from entering the infield seats. Section 140 extends from foul to fair territory. It is the only foul territory open at the beginning of BP, and it is separated (because it is elevated) from the rest of LF. So it's the perfect spot for us to hang out.
When we got to this spot, Tommy Hunter was playing catch on the warning track with Braves bullpen catcher Alan Butts. Hunter was out in LF and Butts was standing right below us with a guy in a khaki shorts and a polo standing with him. My thought is that the guy in shorts was spotting Butts – i.e., making sure a batted ball didn't hit Butts.
A month ago, I had no clue who Butts was. But, as luck would have it, we were just in Atlanta on the GFS Roadtrip, so I knew his first name was Alan. As one of his throws sailed toward Hanson, I called out, "Hey, Alan!?" He looked up and said hi. I asked if we could get the baseball when he and Hanson finished playing catch, and he said "sure thing."
As we waited for Tommy and Alan to finish playing catch, Alan's khaki'd spotter walked up the foul line to grab a baseball that had rolled to a stop on the edge of the warning
As he came back to Butts, he wasn't paying any attention to the batter. Just then, a Phillies righty launched a ball down the foul line. Usually, I am all over calling out "HEEEEAAAAADS!" when someone is an jeopardy of getting hit, but I was focused in on the ball. I didn't think it would reach me, but I thought we had a good chance at a ground rule double. We'll never know if it would have been a ground rule double or not, because it bounced hard off of the warning track and absolutely nailed Alan Butts's spotter in the back of the head. He went down hard and was down for a couple minutes. It was ugly, and I felt bad that I hadn't realized the situation and warned the guy.
I don't think Colleen even noticed the situation; she was busy taking pictures of our cute little boys. Like this one of Kellan (whose hair was going crazy):
Shortly after the spotter got nailed (or maybe just before…I'm not 100% sure of the timing), a BP homer (actually, it must have been just foul) was driller right over us on a
line. None of the 10 or so fans sitting behind us was paying any attention to BP, I screamed "HEEEEEEEEAAAAADDDSSS UP!!!!!!!"
No one noticed, and it clanked off of one of the seats, bounced into foul territory and started rolling down the steps toward us. But there was a guy behind us in the seats and I could tell he'd get the ball before it got to us. Just then, I saw another ball dive into the seats in section 139 (in the LF foul corner). It ended up coming to a stop right next to
the fence along the field. I was the only person who saw it. I pointed it out to an usher and asked if we could go grab it – it was on the other side of the yellow chain, but probably only 10 feet from us.
Instead of letting us go get it, the usher went to retrieve it himself. Just then, Tim tapped on my back and shoved a baseball in my face: "Look what that guy gave to me!" It was the ball that had been hit over us. The fan behind us grabbed it and gave it to Tim. Tim handed it to me right as the usher was turning around with the other baseball
in his grasp.
I panicked for a second. The usher probably wouldn't give us the baseball if he knew we just got the other baseball (and we didn't want the other baseball from the fan). So I
hid the fan ball in my glove and accepted the other ball from the usher. I'm pretty sure that ball was hit by one of the Phillies, but with all of the confusion with the other ball being hit over us, I'm not certain. I guess it could have been Tommy Hanson over throw into the crowd, but that doesn't seem very likely. For one thing, it wouldn't make
sense that an overthrow would roll back to the fence along the foul line.
Anyway, I got the ball from the usher and then I turned around and thanked the fan for giving Tim the other baseball. But then I handed it back to him and asked him to give it to another kid. He ended up giving it to an older lady that was standing with him…maybe his mom. And he seemed happy to have it.
Luckily, Alan Butts didn't see any of this. When he and Hanson finished playing catch, Tommy started to run off with the baseball. Alan called to him to toss it back. When he got it, he tossed it up to us as promised:
Thanks, Alan!
I'm not an NL guy. But I like Tommy Hanson. So it is cool to get one of his warm up baseballs.
My wife doesn't get to Citizens Bank Park much, so I asked her if she wanted to head out to Ashburn Alley to see what there was to see. She agreed. But on our way out of section 140, we ran into Harry Kalas!
Out in CF, we checked out the Phillies Hall of Fame area behind the batters eye. Then we did the speed pitch and Tim set a new personal best: 32 miles per hour!
We then went around the BBQ area and played the other games:
We were waiting for the rest of the stadium to open so we could head over to the pizza wedge. We had a lot of time to kill because RF wouldn't open until 5:35, and it was only 5:00 p.m. So we decided to dine on dollar hot dogs while sitting among a throng of fans beneath the Richie Ashburn statue:
Tim and I finished our hot dogs while Kellan was still munching on his. I asked Colleen if it would be okay for me and Tim to run down into the seats in LCF while Kellan finished his food. She approved. Tim and I ran across Ashburn Alley and as we took our first step into the seats I saw a homerun ball flying at the seats about ten feet below us and about 10 feet in from the aisle. We kept running down the stairs as the ball deflected off the seats and bounced right in front of me. I made the catch right in stride. And then a guy down below yelled, "You're right on time!!!" It was pretty cool.
Moments later, I took a picture of Tim holding the ball…
…and Tim Hudson standing in LCF down below the section. When I made the catch on that ball, I was standing in the aisle up by the lady in the white shirt and pink hat.
The ball essentially bounced over, around or through all of the fans sitting right there. We'd come down there because I knew Tim Hudson was there and we wanted to see if we could get a toss-up from him. But the whole entire section saw me catch that ball, so I felt a little funny about the idea of getting it and then going down and asking Hudson for a ball. So we just headed back to Colleen and Kellan.
Soon enough, the rest of the stadium opened and we headed toward the pizza wedge. We didn't get the corner spot at the tip of the wedge because another father/son beat us there. Tim and I hung out in the front row and Colleen and Kellan sat directly behind us:
While we were in the pizza wedge, Dan Uggla put on an extreme homerun hitting clinic. First, he hit a homerun completely over the batters' eye and into the Phillies Hall of Fame. I've never see that happen before. Next, he hit a bomb just to the leftfield side of the batters' eye that landed on Ashburn Alley. That was just plain ridiculous.
Eventually, a Braves batter hit a homerun that landed in the last row of the pizza wedge (2 rows above and slightly to the right of Colleen as pictured in the last photo). It bounced down toward us, bounced into the back of Colleen's seat (between her back and the seat back as she was ducking), and then bounced through the seat next to her (seat number 7 pictured above) where I grabbed it off of the ground.
That was good enough for us. We skipped out on the rest of BP and headed over to McFadden's…
…for dinner.
Colleen had never been to the McFadden's at Citizens Bank Park before. The bar area was insanely loud and probably would have given Kellan a monster headache. But around the corner, they have a big dining room that was very mellow and essentially quiet.
We had a nice dinner before heading back out to the field:
The game was already starting when we headed out to the field, but we didn't go to our seats. Instead, Tim had requested a visit to the Kids Play Area:
Both boys had a lot of fun in the play area. While it took a lot of coaxing, Kellan finally did go down the little kids' slide. The pitching match-up was Derek Lowe vs. Cliff Lee. While we were in the play area, Michael Bourn made Lowe the loser when he smacked a grounder down the 3B line for a 2-RBI single. That was all Cliff Lee would need, but not all he would get, on this night.
We had seats in the upper deck. So when we left the play area, we walked up the winding ramp. We stopped on the 200 level for a picture…
…and then we continued racing up the ramp. Tim always makes me race him up the ramps. And when he gets tired, he announces that the race is over. When we reached the bottom of the last leg of the ramp, I got a picture of the boys with the Citizens Bank Park sign behind them:
And then we went and found our seats. I bought tickets to this game through the Phillies website at the beginning of the season. I knew they were in the upper deck, but had
no clue where. Turns out, they were in the very back row of section 424. It was actually a very nice view of the game:
From up top in section 424, we had a great view of the spots where "His Name Is" Dan Uggla hit his monster BP bombs…
…and we had walked right into the ricocheted BP homer.
And of the pizza wedge where the homer had sailed over us and then bounced back to us:
We don't sit in the upper deck much, but we were having a great time and the tippy-top of Citizens Bank Park:
See how there is a chain linked fence directly behind our seats? This is what was on the other side of the fence…
…a massive drop off!
We also had a great view of home plate, as shown here when Ryan Howard drilled a single right back up the box in the bottom of the third inning:
Whenever she joins us at a game, Colleen takes lots of pictures of her three boys – most of which feature Tim making some kooky faces:
At one point in the game, we got some unexpected comic relief. The Phillies were listing off birthdays and anniversaries on the big screen and then they showed a lady standing in the crowd. She immediately saw herself on the screen and started doing some fairly provocative and hilarious dancing for the cameras. Meanwhile, he boyfriend was
kneeling next to her holding a box with a diamond engagement ring. She was completely oblivious and into her dancing. He must have said something because she stopped dancing and turned and looked at him. But she looked at his face, and somehow completely missed that he was holding out the engagement ring. He essentially lifted it up into her face so she couldn't miss it…
…and then began the water works. She started crying like a little baby. Then she started hugging and kissing him. So, I think it is safe to conclude that she said, "Yes."
Meanwhile, Cliff Lee was pitching a masterful game:
And, at least on one play, he received some stellar defensive help by Ryan Howard:
He ran with his back to home plate all the way to the wall and made a very impressive sliding-sliding-away-from-the-field catch.
Derek Lowe wasn't having as much luck as Lee:
He gave up the third and fourth runs of the night in the bottom of the fourth inning on an 2-RBI single by Shane Victorino.
After Chase Utley hit a triple with one out in the bottom of the fifth…
…Lowe eventually gave up three more runs. First, Hunter Pence hit a double to score Utley. Then, Carlos Ruiz hit a score Howard and Pence. That made the score 7-0 Phillies.
And that was all she wrote for Derek Lowe.
Here is a nice picture I took of Tim, just for the heck of it:
When it was ice cream time, I was holding Kellan. So Mommy was on ice cream duty. Colleen sometimes wonders why I get so many ice cream helmets. She got her answers after she bought Tim this delicious, but incredibly messy, ice cream cone:
Ice cream helmets make a great souvenir AND they catch all of the melting ice cream. Cones are a delicious ice cream receptacle, but all of the melting ice cream runs down your hands and only your clothes.
In the bottom of the seventh inning, Scott Linebrink replaced Derek Lowe and promptly gave up a solo homerun to Ryan Howard…
…; the first and only batter he would face. That made the score 8-0 Phillies.
The Phillies tacked on a ninth and final run in the bottom of the eighth inning on an RBI single by Placido Polanco.
We tried to beat the traffic, so we started making our way toward the exit as the game wrapped up. As we were walking through the upper deck concourse on our way to the ramp, Tim kept asking, "Why are we leaving? The game is still going! Why are we leaving!?" That's my boy. I love that attitude. Bud, unfortunately, we needed to get home
sooner-rather-than later because Tim had just started kindergarten and he needed to rest up for school the next day. So we sacrificed the last three outs of Cliff Lee's 9-0 complete game shut out win.
On the way toward the ramp, we got a parting shot of the boys with the scoreboard:
And that's the story of Kellan's first Phillies game.
|2011 C&S Fan Stats
|27/5 Games (Tim/Kellan)
|18/8 Teams [Tim – Mariners, Orioles, Rangers, Brewers, Nationals, Phillies, Mets, Rays, Braves, Diamondbacks, Astros, Royals, Cubs, Angels, Indians, Reds, Giants, Tigers,
Yankees, Marlins; Kellan – Mariners, Orioles, Angels, Mets, Indians, Yankees, Phillies, Braves]
|21 Ice Cream Helmet(s) (Orioles (2), Nationals, Phillies (2), Rangers (2), Mets (1), Reds (1), Tigers (1), Marlins (2), Braves (2), Rays (3)).
|76 Baseballs (16 Mariners, 7 Rangers, 4 Orioles, 4 Umpires, 2 Nationals, 2 Brewers, 6 Phillies, 2 Mets, 2 Rays, 8 Braves, 2 Diamondbacks, 1 MLB Authenticator, 2 Easter Egg, 1 Glove Trick, 2 Royals, 2 Cubs, 5 Angels, 4 Indians, 2 Giants, 1 Tigers, 1 Marlins)
|12/4 Stadiums [Tim – Camden Yards, Nationals Park, Citizens Bank Park, Minute Maid Park, Rangers Ballpark in Arlington, Citi Field, Great American Ball Park, Comerica Park, Yankee Stadium, Sun Life Stadium, Turner Field, Tropicana Field; Kellan – Camden Yards, Citi Field, Yankee Stadium, Citizens Bank Park]
|15/9 Player Photos* [Tim – Felix Hernandez***, Adam Moore, Garrett Olson, Chris Seddon, David Aarsdma, Michael Pineda, Miguel Olivo, Ryan Langerhans, Greg Zuan, Mark Lowe, Michael Saunders, Chad Durbin, Russell Branyan, Brandon League***, Brendan Ryan; Kellan – Luke French, Milton Bradley, Franklin Gutierrez, Justin Smoak, Matt Tuiasosopo, Ryan Langerhans, Michael Saunders, Tony Sipp, Chad Durbin]
|3/1 Management Photos* [Tim – Howard Lincoln, Jack Zduriencik, Eric Wedge; Kellan – Jack Zduriencik]
|6 Autograph(s) (Michael Pineda, Michael Saunders, Mark Lowe, Felipe Paulino, Aroldis Chapman, Jack McKeon, Brandon League, Jaime Navarro, Brendan Ryan, Dan Cortes, Josh Lueke, Blake Beavan, Jamie Wright, Jack Zduriecik, Carl Willis, Tom Wilhelmsen, Casper Wells)
|1 Bat* (Milton Bradley)
|9/2 Mascot Photos* [Tim – Mariner Moose, Teddy Roosevelt, The O's Bird, Mr. Redlegs, Gapper, Slider, Sebastian (U. of Miami), Homer, Raymond; Kellan – Mariner Moose, The O's Bird]
|3/0 Divisions Closed Out** [Tim – A.L. West (Safeco Field, Oakland Coliseum, Angel Stadium & Rangers Ballpark in Arlington), N.L. East (Citizens Bank Park, Shea Stadium, Citi Field, Nationals Park, Sun Life Stadium, & Turner Field), A.L. East (Oriole Park at Camden Yards, Yankee Stadium (1923), Yankee Stadium (2009), Fenway Park, Rogers Centre, Tropicana Field); Kellan – N/A]
|2 Line-up Cards (Royals vs. Rangers; Indians vs. Orioles)
|*includes Spring Training**divisions where we have seen each team play a home game.***2011 All-Star


text:
- Parent Category: News
Iroquois County Mobile Home Taxes Due
Iroquois County mobile home taxes are in the mail. Payments come due May 6th, 2013.
County Treasurer Mindy Kuntz Hagan announced the mobile home tax bills were mailed Friday, March 1, 2013. The payment due date is Monday, May 6, 2013. Any payments that are not received or postmarked by May 6, 2013 will be charged a late fee. As required by the Illinois statutes, a $25.00 per month late fee not to exceed $100.00 will be charged.
The Treasurer's Office is open 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Monday through Friday. Both coupons should be presented when making payments in person or by mail. Unpaid taxes will result in a lien being filed on the mobile home.
There is a drop box at the Administrative Center near the entrance of the 911 Center. Payments can be dropped off during non-office hours.