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Hatebreed Start Pre-Production on New Album
Connecticut metallers Hatebreed have started pre-production on their next studio album, and band members promise it's going to entail lots of speed and force and little for the faint of heart. "Well, there probably won't be any melody whatsoever," quipped lead singer Jamey Jasta in an interview with music website Loud. "It'll be fast, heavy, I would say very reminiscent of the last record's faster, heavier songs like 'Merciless Tide' and 'Hands of a Dying Man.'"
As for a release date, that's still up in the air, but the the band expects the album to drop by January 2013 at the latest. "I don't know, we were talking about that the other day and we were thinking about whether we should put something out in October, or should we try to maybe just wait until next January and tour more on the 'Perseverance' 10-year anniversary tour," says Jasta.
He adds, "Originally we thought about doing some dates and just doing the whole 'Perseverance' album. But then we scrapped that idea and decided we were going to tour all of Europe and all of the festivals in the summer, and then promoters asked us to come to other places and we're going to do some more touring. So I don't know, I'm not sure yet."
Turning the topic to other heavy music makers, Jasta says he's enjoying a variety of groups at the moment. "Well, for me I guess a 'newer' band that I enjoy would be someone like As I Lay Dying. They're not a new band even [laughs], they've been doing it for years. But maybe Amon Amarth, and I mean again, that's not really a new band. But our influences have always been like New York hardcore bands and then bands like Sepultura, Slayer and Entombed. As far as new bands, who else do I like who I guess you would consider newer? I don't know [laughs]."
Check out the full interview with Jamey Jasta at Loud.


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I have recently been notified that my neighboring SQL PASS Chapter Atlanta MDF will be sponsoring SQL Saturday 167 in Columbus GA. The Columbus GA SQL Users Group has been dubbed the "Extreme Southwest Atlanta Chapter" by Aaron Nelson (blog, twitter) For the past two years our two chapters have worked together in promoting and hosting two SQL Saturdays in Atlanta. Columbus GA is now having their first SQL Saturday on September 8th 2012.
The Atlanta area has already shown a lot of support with several local speakers submitting abstracts. Now we just need to get the word out to neighboring cities to get more attendee registrations. 🙂

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New: Richmond and Chevron Reach Agreement
Negotiators for the city of Richmond and Chevron have reached an unprecedented agreement that settles several major tax issues. Chevron has agreed to pay millions of additional dollars to the city if the city will drop its appeal of Measure T and proposed changes in the Utility Users Tax. (See below for details.).The settlement goes to the city council next Tuesday where the Richmond Progressive Alliance expects and supports its adoption.
As in all settlement agreements, the city did not win everything it rightfully deserves. But we did win a substantial increase in financial support for the city from Chevron and we can move onto other issues that we need to deal with like crime, jobs, education, public health and the environment.
No one fought for this victory like the RPA. No one put the pressure on Chevron for fair taxation like we did. We receive this victory reaffirming our commitment to fairness, justice and health
for all Richmond residents and we expect our City to put a significant part of the income from this victory into programs our citizens need, determined by democratic process. Those were the goals of our succesful Measure T and of the End Chevron's Perks Campaign.
As Mayor Gayle McLaughlin says. "This agreement shows that the Richmond community can be successful in gaining more fairness when we stand strong and together. The people of Richmond organized and mobilized to pressure Chevron to do better. Chevron realized it could not defeat the people of Richmond. It gave in to many of our demands. Not everything we wanted, but this partial victory marks the beginning of a new phase in our ongoing struggle for a better, more just, and healthier Richmond."
This agreement does not resolve all issues with Chevron. Chevron has still not agreed to come to the table to resolve environmental protections on its expansion project and get workers back on the job on those projects.
We expect that the fifth-largest multi-national company whose bottom line is profits will be at odds with communities that its refining facilities dominate. Chevron is still attempting to get reductions in its county property tax. Chevron benefits from Proposition 13 loopholes for all corporations, and the failure of California to have an oil severance tax like other oil producing states.
Some of the lessons of recent events are:
It is possible to stand up against the power of a multi-national company. The additional money for vital city services comes in part from voters challenging Chevron's money, power,and public relations by passing measure T in 2008;
from the City Council's placing the End Chevron's Perk measure on the ballot for this fall; and from the community mobilization against Chevron's cynical plan to try to strangle the city with its own ballot measure to slash city income. It helped that the entire City Council on May 4th (Nat Bates was absent) strongly denounced Chevron's actions. Standing up and organizing makes the difference. It levels the playing field and makes possible settlements and outcomes that promote the community's wellbeing.
Councilman Jeff Ritterman:"This is a real advance for the City of Richmond. In the current economic downturn we have wonsignificant new financial support for the city, which will prevent layoffs of city workers. Itwill enable us to work harder on the many other problems that face us."
Jovanka Beckles, RPA endorsed candidate for City Council: "There is no power like the People's power! It does not quit. I'm proud of this step forward that we have achieved and even when I know that the road ahead is long today I am hopeful and joyful. How do we get justice for the Richmond residents? How do we change our City into paradise? One struggle, one victory at the time. I'm happy today with this progress"
Agreement Specifics:
The city had a negotiating team consisting of City Manager. Bill Lindsey; City Attorney, Randy Riddle; Finance Director, James Goins; and three council members Jeff Ritterman, Jim Rogers, and Tom Butt. They met with Chevron using professional mediation over a period of months.The agreement calls for Chevron to pay the city $114 million in revenue over the next 15 years on a "front-loaded" schedule. Chevron will guarantee its level of utility tax payments for the next 5 years. Chevron affirms certain CBA obligations like support for the Bay Trail and ground level air quality monitoring.Chevron agrees to drop its campaign for cutting the utility tax. The agreement calls for the city to drop its appeal of the Measure T decision, and withdraw the proposed End Chevron's Perks measure.


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As part of the quickly evolving device landscape, a unified video publishing workflow is more important than ever. Individual workflows for specific devices or platforms are not a long-term approach. It's like having to build a different car, depending on the city you want to travel to. It's expensive and distracts from the important part of your video application, the user experience.
As part of Project Primetime, we are continuing to invest in our own technology and industry standards that enable our video customers to have a single workflow that enables them to reach any web-enabled devices.
What does this mean for you? Instead of having to worry about using different content protection, video delivery or video publishing workflows, Project Primetime will provide a holistic solution, which will make your video strategy uniquely easy to deploy, protect and monetize.
We're making two announcements today that will bring the industry towards a single video publishing workflow:
Adobe Access for native iOS applications
Adobe Access, our robust Digital Rights Management technology, will support native iOS applications. With Adobe Access' existing support for desktop (99% reach via Flash Player), Android (via AIR 3.0) and Smart TVs (via AIR for TV 2.5), video publishers can now reach a huge digital audience with a single content protection solution.
Here's how it works: Adobe provides an Adobe Access DRM library that can be integrated into your native iOS application. You build your experience using the Apple SDK, add the Adobe Access library as a component, and deliver through the Apple App Store. The Adobe Access DRM library provides all the necessary robustness. The video content is streamed using Apple's HLS (HTTP Live Streaming) protocol, and Adobe Access provides the content protection required by studios.
MPEG-DASH support
We are announcing that our streaming technologies will support the emerging standard MPEG-DASH. It will provide the reach and flexibility required for a unified video workflow. It will not replace, but provide additional reach to existing Adobe streaming protocols. You can read more about our announcement here.
We are very excited about these announcements, which are first steps to provide a unified video publishing workflow that will offer the best reach, protection and monetization for video content.


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Web Site Migration Guide - Tips For SEOsBlog Post: February 27, 2012
Wow you replied instantly! Many thanks for that! So, indeed it seems I got it wrong. The XML sitemap in step 4.3 will contain the final domain's URLs, not the test domain's URLs, right? And we should test it from final domain's account in WMT? And test it for broken links by checking any errors in WMT account (error details)? Robots.txt file will also be constructed for the final domain, correct?
I really apologize for the numerous questions! I would be really grateful if you could clarify these points.
Awesome post for sure! I only have one question. It seems that I got something wrong. Since testing environment is going to be password-protected (and therefore blocked by SEs) what's the purpose of 4.2 and 4.3? Why upload XML sitemap? As far as I understand, the xml will contain test environment's URLs. Which will be blocked by SEs. Therefore all URLs will remain not indexed.


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A very HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all!
i want to say a big thank you to everyone who's followed 5:4 in the last year, and especially to those of you who've posted comments and tweets in response. There are lots of exciting things planned for 2014, so watch this space.
In the meantime, continuing the 5:4 annual tradition, here's the new mixtape, celebrating the music in my Best Albums of the Year list. A little something from each album, seamlessly stitched together and lasting a little under 3 hours. Enjoy!—and if you do enjoy what you hear, links to purchase the music can be found on the previous two days' articles.
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Our range of reading lights has been put together to ensure that, regardless of how you prefer to get comforatble and read a good book, we have a light that will make it easier for you and therefore more enjoyable. Reading lamps can be more than a single purpose light, and can offer extra illumination for a range of other tasks including knitting, cross stitch, model making and sewing.
Lyco supply a vast range of lights in a variety of styles, meaning as well as finding your perfect functional reading light you can find the perfect look for your room too!
Our collection includes floor standing lights with "mother and child" lighting, illuminated magnifier lights, practical table lamps, traditional Bankers' lamps, and snake-neck stems for pinpoint lighting, designed to illuminate your bedtime reading book without disturbing your partner.
A variety of finishes and types
Our range of reading lights offer the following finishes
- Satin chrome
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Lamps include halogen, filament, daylight bulbs and LED (Light Emitting Diodes) and some are touch-base operated.
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East Alton Copper Gang led double livesCBSSt. Louis -
ST. LOUIS, Mo. (KMOX) – They were married with kids — six men who held down decent jobs, until co-workers wondered how they could afford fancy trips, new vehicles and the latest riding lawn mowers.
The six are now charged with taking part in an elaborate copper-theft ring, targeting an East Alton, Illinois industrial plant that reports $7 million in missing copper over a three-year period.
"Most of them were reported to be living way above their means," said East Alton Police Major Brian Archer, "Large trips, lots of vehicles, motorcycles, expensive lawn mowers and different types of things."
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Al Jazeera has purchased cable channel Current TV in a move that will put the Middle Eastern news channel into more than 40 million American homes, Al Jazeera announced Wednesday.
Al Jazeera will replace Current TV, which was founded by former Vice President Al Gore in 2005, to create a new channel based in New York. Approximately 60 percent of the programming for the channel, which will be called Al Jazeera America, will be produced in America with the other 40 percent from the already existing Al Jazeera English, which is based in Doha, Qatar, according to The New York Times, which first reported the news.
"For many years, we understood that we could make a positive contribution to the news and information available in and about the United States and what we are announcing today will help us achieve that goal. By acquiring Current TV, Al Jazeera will significantly expand our existing distribution footprint in the U.S., as well as increase our newsgathering and reporting efforts in America," Al Jazeera Director General Ahmed bin Jassim Al Thani said in a statement. "We look forward to working together with our new cable and satellite partners to serve our new audiences across the U.S. I am both exceptionally pleased and very proud that we could take this very important step."
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Current's current schedule of shows, which are hosted by personalities like Joy Behar and former Governor Eliot Spitzer, will likely end in the spring, according to the newspaper. Al Jazeera America will launch sometime this year.
Many of the country's cable and satellite distributors have been reluctant to carry Al Jazeera English, save for cities like New York and Washington D.C. However, this deal will allow the news company to compete more directly with CNN and other news channels.
Current TV drew 42,000 viewers on a typical night in 2012, according to the Times.
Co-founder Joel Hyatt confirmed the channel was for sale in October saying, "Current has been approached many times by media companies interested in acquiring our company. This year alone, we have had three inquiries. As a consequence, we thought it might be useful to engage expertise to help us evaluate our strategic options."
Will you watch Al Jazeera America? Will you miss Current TV?


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The Xp 44 combines impressive performance with simplicity of handling, appealing to all the family. This model was the first of the Xperformance line to be launched, and was named Sailing World's 'Yacht of the Year' in 2014. A highly optimised hull shape offers exemplary performance in a range of wind conditions, on all angles of sail, under both ORC and IRC handicap systems. Key elements of the hull design include reduced upright beam and wetted surface area, while the transom shape ensures that as windspeed builds and the boat powers up, the overall waterline length increases for additional speed. Additional performance is gained through the Xp 44's exceptional stiffness and high stability, achieved by a high ballast ratio with additional weight in the keel bulb keel, and lightweight structures thanks to epoxy infusion build processes.
The Xp 44 introduced the innovative Xperformance bowsprit, with options including a carbon bowsprit to set asymmetrics, a GRP cowling, and optional anchor attachments for hassle-free cruising. The Xp 44 is supplied with an aluminium rig as standard with carbon mast and boom as an option, both developed in conjunction with leading sailmakers to create an efficient, easily adjustable sail plan. The Xp 44 also carries multiple halyard options to allow owners to optimise their boat for racing or cruising, inshore or offshore. Standard deck features include a below decks furling drum, low friction racing blocks, and large self-tailing winches (powered winches optional).
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JetBrains has released Version 1.0 of MPS (short for "Meta Programming System"), a language workbench and IDE for extending existing languages and creating custom Domain Specific Languages. By using MPS and DSLs created with its help, domain experts can solve domain-specific tasks easily, even if they're not familiar with programming. MPS is freely available, with a major part of its source code open and available under the Apache license, and can be downloaded bug-tracking system, code-named Charisma, is developed entirely with MPS. This issue tracker is a modern Web 2.0 application. To create it, a whole stack of web application languages was created: languages for HTML templates, controllers, database access, JavaScript, etc.
Jetbrains describes MPS as an implementation of the Language-Oriented Programming (LOP) concept. LOP is a programming paradigm which adds another degree of freedom compared to traditional programming: the ability to create/extend/embed a language with which you write your programs. Most programs are written for specific domains: financial applications, web applications, games, IDEs, etc. In case of, say, a financial application, we might embed first class monetary values in a language; in case of a web application we might move such concepts as controllers or template to the language level, etc. For background on LOP, see Language Oriented Programming: The Next Programming Paradigm, by Sergey Dmitriev.
MPS doesn't use any parsers. It works with the abstract syntax tree directly, so it doesn't require any parsing. Compiler construction knowledge might be useful, but you don't have to be an expert in this field in order to use MPS: it contains a predefined set of languages with which users can create their own languages.
MPS provides a text-like projectional editor, which is used to write languages and programs. It is text-like enough to be learned really quickly. According to Jetbrains experience, it takes about two weeks to become productive with it. Despite the fact that this editor is text-like, there are some key differences with plain-text editors, but they are necessary to allow composing languages.
Language composability means that you can extend/embed languages in any combination. This promotes languages reuse. Languages become more like libraries in the Java world. Imagine that you are writing an application which uses a language for monetary values from one vendor, and a quantitative calculation from another. Since these are languages, you can achieve a much higher level of abstraction than with libraries, and because they are composable, you can reuse them as freely as you reuse Java libraries. You can read more about this in Konstantin Solomatov's article DSL Adoption with JetBrains MPS.
A projectional editor is an approach for editing an abstract syntax tree directly. For each node of the abstract syntax tree, a projection is created, which is a part of the screen with textual represention of the node. As the user interacts with the projection, changes are reflected in the node.
Jetbrains says its goal is to work with composable languages. Using a plain-text representation and grammars would present composability problems. Text-based grammars can be ambiguous and as a result, composed languages might not be deterministically parseable. Consider an example: Imagine that two parties decided to add string interpolation syntax to Java. String interpolation allows embedding of expressions inside of string literals. So, the first party might use the following syntax: ${expr} and the other might use {expr}. If you write the following code in Java, with both of these extensions added, it will be ambiguous: "Balance of your account is ${expr}". You don't know whether $is part of string interpolation syntax or part of a string literal. Of course, this example is quite artificial, but it is a good illustration of the problems which arise when we have different constructs with similar syntax in different language extensions.
MPS stores source code in its internal XML-based format. It isn't supposed to be edited directly. If you create a language, there are several options for distributing it. First, you can create a packaged version of your language and distribute it as a file. Second, you can create a special distrubutive of MPS which, in addition to the standard set of languages, will include your language. A third option, which is under development now, will allow you to create a stripped-down version of MPS, where particular parts of IDE will be removed or altered, so that you will be able to create a custom MPS-based IDE for your language.
MPS is a resource intensive application. To create simple languages, you will need a 2.0-Ghz CPU and at least 3-Gb of RAM. If you want to create a larger application, you will need a 2.6-Ghz CPU and at least 4-Gb of RAM (in such a case feel free to change the -Xmx option in mps.vmoptions file in the bin directory of MPS installation).


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Flood Damage to Medical Clinic Building
PA ID# 023-UAOQ-00; People's Health & Wellness Clinic
PW ID# N/A; Flood Damage to Medical Clinic Building
Citation: FEMA-4001-DR-VT, People's Health & Wellness Clinic, Second Appeal Flood Damage to Medical Clinic Building
Reference: Legal Responsibility
Summary: In a letter dated January 23, 2012, FEMA informed the Applicant that, under the terms of the lease agreement, the Applicant was not legally responsible for repairing disaster damage to the medical clinic building. Section 10.2 of the lease agreement clearly requires the landlord to promptly restore the premises if they are damaged through no fault of the tenant.
In a letter dated April 4, 2012, the Applicant filed a first appeal claiming that it was legally responsible under the terms of the lease, and that the position was borne out by a documented history of making its own repairs to the leased premises, including extensive interior repairs resulting from a major storm and flood in 2007. Furthermore, the Applicant believes it is a misinterpretation of the lease for FEMA to contend that the lease covers catastrophic events or Acts of God.
FEMA Region I denied the Applicant's first appeal with a letter dated June 26, 2012, pointing out that in order for FEMA to reimburse the cost of repair, the landlord/tenant lease must clearly specify that the tenant, as an eligible applicant, is legally responsible for the repair of disaster damage to the facility. In the absence of such language FEMA must assume that the owner of the facility is responsible for the repairs.
The Applicant filed a second appeal on September 18, 2012, in which it emphasized that there was an established precedent for its taking of responsibility for disaster repairs in the past.
Issues: 1. Does the lease agreement require the owner to restore the leased premises if they are damaged through no fault of the tenant?
2. Is the Applicant legally responsible for repair of the disaster damage to the medical clinic?
Findings: 1. Yes
2. No
Rationale: Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, Section 406 Repair, Restoration, and Replacement of Damaged Facilities; 44 CFR §206.223(a)(3) General Work Eligibility.


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The United States will not host the 2022 World Cup.
FIFA announced on Thursday afternoon in Zürich, Switzerland, that the quadrennial world championship will be held in Qatar.
This is the first time that a Middle Eastern nation will host the World Cup, and only the second time the tournament will be held in a nation from the Asian confederation. (Japan and South Korea co-hosted in 2002.)
The US Bid, whose committee included such luminaries as President Bill Clinton, director Spike Lee and MLS Commissioner Don Garber, among others, was founded on the financial opportunities of the US market and the increasing popularity of soccer in the country. More than 1.2 million fans signed the US Bid's online petition.
There is no immediate word about the prospects of a US bid for the 2026 World Cup or beyond.
Word of Qatar's victory actually emerged before the Executive Committee vote was made public. The head of the Qatar bid reportedly told Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based news network, that Qatar was the winner.
Russia to Host 2018
FIFA named Russia as the host of the 2018 World Cup. It is the first time the Russians will host the tournament.


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A modern route through the center of the face, up grey rock to the right of Spigolo Priolo. Easier and less sustained than nearby Spiderman, the climbing is demanding with a 7b crux and obligatory 7a.
Passo Giau is reached easily either from Cortina via the SS48 and SS638, or from Caprile for those coming from the Agordino.
Approach this climb by driving down from Passo Giau towards Cortina, parking the car after some hairpin bends and following the obvious path no. 436 towards the Forcella Giau. After the forest the path steepens; continue left along a trail past large boulders to the scree slopes that come down from the Lastoni di Formin. Traverse high to reach the base of the wall. Allow about an hour for the walk-in.
P1: 6c, 55m
P2: 7b, 30m
P3: 3, 30m
P4: 7b+, 45m
P5: 6b, 40m
P6: 7a, 50m
P7: 7b, 30m
Abseil down the route (two 55m ropes, clip some quickdraws during the first abseil as the belay is not directly below). Alternatively, scramble up the summit plateau and walk down as for Super tegolina
Small and mid-size camming devices, two 60m ropes and a dozen quickdraws.


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Local law enforcement agencies crack down on distracted driving
Tickets issued for texting, handheld cell phone use and other distractions
It's a habit many drivers simply just can't break: texting or holding the cell phone to talk while driving.
Starting Monday, it'll be even more likely that drivers breaking the law will get caught.
The California Office of Traffic Safety, the California Highway Patrol and Sacramento Police, along with dozens of other law enforcement agencies, will be cracking down on all types of distracted driving, as part of a two-week, federally-funded pilot program that could go national.
They'll focus on four areas: south Sacramento, Stockton, Yuba City and Auburn.
"People putting on makeup, individuals shaving, reading newspapers, people messing with their iPads or iTouches ... if it's affecting your ability to operate a vehicle safely, it's a concern for us and you're going to get cited for that," CHP spokesperson Officer Adrian Quintero told KCRA 3.
According to the California Office of Traffic Safety, 3,092 people were killed, and an estimated 416,000 others were injured, in car crashes involving a distracted driver in 2010.
Despite repeated warnings from law enforcement, many drivers are still using their cell phone, according to data from the California Department of Motor Vehicles.
The department reported 460,487 handheld cell phone convictions in 2011, about 100,000 more than the year before.
"When an emergency happens, or somebody stops right in front of you, or there's debris in the road, (distracted driving) will affect your ability to respond to that hazard," Quintero said.
Quintero said officers will have zero tolerance and will cite all offending drivers.
A first-time ticket will cost a minimum of $159, while the second fine will be $279.


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When Genma became a genin, he was put on a teamwith Might Guy and Ebisu, under the leadership ofChōza Akimichi.[4] At one point, they were confronted by a generation of Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist, only to be saved by Might Duy. During part of their chūnin exams, his team confronted Team Minato.[5]Other than that, not much is known about Genma's background except for the fact that he is an elite guard to the Hokage. During his time serving under the Fourth Hokage, he was taught the Flying Thunder God Technique.
Chūnin Exams
After Hayate's death, Genma proctored the final round matches of the Chūnin Exams. After Neji's battle with Naruto, Genma tells him that even a caged bird can eventually free themselves. As the invasion is launched, he enquires whether or not Orochimaru was leading the assault as he faces off against Baki. After Gaara retreats from the arena, he advises Sasuke to chase after him, telling him that he was already at the chūninlevel and to do what he must in order to protect Konoha. His fight is, however, interrupted when the invasion is called off.
Sasuke Recovery Mission
When Tsunade returns to the village, Genma and Aoba are assigned to announce her inauguration as the Fifth Hokage. He is later sent on a mission with Raidō Namiashi, Iwashi Tatami and Shizune. As they return home after completing the mission Genma and Raidō encounter theSound Four. He inquires about what they were carrying since they were coming from the direction of Konoha. In retaliation Sakon throws a kunai at him but Genma deflects it with his senbon. In order to defeat Raidō and Genma, the Sound Four activate level two of their cursed seals, leaving Genma and Raidō gravely injured and in serious need of medical attention. Shizune stabilises their conditions and takes them back to Konoha for further treatment.
Twelve Guardian Ninja
n the anime, he is seen giving out orders to a large group of chūnin during Furido's attack on the village.
Akatsuki Suppression Mission
In the anime, Genma was present at Asuma Sarutobi's funeral, mourning his death.
Pain's Assault
He appears with Yamato and other jōnin helping to restore the village after Pain and Naruto's fight. He corrected Kotetsu Hagane telling him that the village wasn't all their forefathers left them, the people were still there.
Fourth Shinobi World War: Countdown
In the anime, Genma is present at the war council meeting that Tsunade convenes.
Fourth Shinobi World War: Confrontation
Genma along with Raidō were tasked with guarding the daimyō at their safe house during the Fourth Shinobi World War. While on duty, he and Raidō conversed about the daimyō and their medal-naming argument that was going on. He told Raidō not to make fun of them as it was their job and that without medals, they wouldn't know what was honourable and what wasn't. He then told him that if he just stood around thinking of medals, he'd never get one though, and to stay alert as they were going to relocate soon.
After Black Zetsu located the daimyō he was intercepted by Mei Terumī. Genma alongside Raidō,Chōjūrō and the rest of her team arrived shortly after. When Naruto's shadow clone arrived on the battlefield, and crashed head first into a tree after Black Zetsu sidestepped him, Genma agreed with Raidō's sentiments that Naruto had not changed much and still rushed into a fight without thinking.
Fourth Shinobi World War: Climax
While battling Black Zetsu, he marvelled at Chōjūrō's skill with his sword. He was later contacted by Shikaku who before beginning immediately told him not to makes any jokes because they were in dire straits. However, after telling him that the real Madara Uchiha had been reincarnated to the battlefield, Genma claimed that he couldn't help himself this time. As he, Raidō and Iwashi prepared to transport Mei using Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique as per Shikaku's orders, he explained to her that he was part of the Hokage bodyguard detail and as such was taught how to use the technique by the Fourth during his rule. As soon as Tsunade — who was marked with the technique's seal — had been transported to the battlefield, they performed the technique and stood behind the other Kage as they confronted Madara.
As Mei and A engaged Madara in battle, Iwashi prematurely anticipated his defeat, Genma however, noted the extent of damage inflicted upon the surroundings by the enemy and warns his partner to stay focused while Raidō commented that there is no way to just force their way through. Dodai then enlisted their help to go after the Kabuto-controlledMū who had began to emerge from the debris. The four men then give chase to the Tsuchikage but their target is soon slapped away by A during the Raikage's assault on Madara. As the battle between the Kage and Madara waged on, they continued to give chase to the evasive Mū.
With the Impure World Reincarnation released, Genma watched alongside his comrades as Mū was enveloped in a light of sorts before beginning to deconstruct.
- "Genma" is the Japanese name of the Alpha Coronæ Borealis. "Shiranui" (不知火) means "unknown fire" or "Phosphorescent Foam". It is also a term given for will-o-wisps and is the name of a Japanese destroyer.
- Genma stated during the Chūnin Exams that Naruto had a mean "left hook", this might be a mistake in translation. However, Naruto was doing an uppercut at the time, not a left hook though it was the left hand which was in use. However, this most likely implies that he meant that Naruto is a heavy hitter, or packs a serious punch.
- Studio Pierrot's Settei sheets of Genma show that he was 148 cm around the time of the Kannabi Bridge incident.
- According to the databook(s):
- His favourite food is pumpkin broth and his least favourite food is spinach.
- Genma's hobby is travelling.
- His favourite phrase is "No words, but action" (不言実行, Bugen Jikkō).
- Genma has completed 935 official missions in total: 185 D-rank, 220 C-rank, 454 B-rank, 74 A-rank, 2 S-rank.
- In Naruto: Ultimate Ninja, Genma's hair seems to be white in colour, instead of brown in the anime and manga.
- (To Neji) "When captured birds grow wiser, they try to open the cage with their beaks. They don't give up, because they want to fly again."
- (To the Sound Four) "Trust me. You're pawns of Orochimaru and you don't want to mess with Konoha shinobi."
Genma is shown to be very calm, impartial, collected, proud and casual on his actions. He is never seen being boisterous or lost in difficult situations and is confident enough to take charge of large groups of ninja. It was also stated that he hates Orochimaru for power-playing.[1] He is also a jovial person, prone to wisecracking at times. When Shikaku Nara contacted him, he made it a point to first tell Genma not to make fun of the situation.
Genma has brown, shoulder-length hair which hangs about his face and brown eyes. He wears his forehead protector like a bandanna, and the standard jōnin outfit and always has his trade mark senbon in his mouth. As a genin, he wore a dark, baggy outfit with a hooded red and black jacket. He also wore a black choker, a strap around his leg, and a senbon in his mouth.
As a well noted veteran shinobi, Genma is known for taking part in difficult missions because of his skills.[2] Though he has only been seen in a handful of fights, it is known that he is able to spit the senbon from his mouth as a projectile with enough force to deflect a kunai.[9] Given his status as a guard for the Hokage, and the fact that the Sound Four had to activate their cursed seals in order to defeat Genma and Raidō, it is likely that he is a formidable fighter. Even after the fight, while the Sound Four were resting, they noted that they wouldn't have won without using the second stage of their cursed seals.
Space–Time Ninjutsu
Genma has also shown some aptitude with Space–Time Ninjutsu as he is able to use the Flying Thunder Formation Technique which was taught to him by the Fourth Hokage due to their being part of the Hokage Guard Platoon. However, Genma has to use this technique in conjunction with Raidō and Iwashi Tatami


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Lightweight contender Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone (19-4-1 MMA, 6-1 UFC) will host a special question-and-answer session for UFC Fight Club members prior to weigh-ins for UFC 151.
UFC officials on Tuesday announced the session, which takes place Aug. 31 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, site of the UFC 151 pay-per-view.
Doors for the festivities open for UFC Fight Club members at 1 p.m. PT. The fan Q&A session begins one hour later at 2 p.m. and is followed by the official weigh-ins for UFC 151 at 4 p.m.
Doors for the weigh-ins open at 3 p.m. for the general public.
UFC 151 takes place Sept. 1 and airs live on pay-per-view, FX and Facebook. The main event is a light heavyweight title fight between champion Jon Jones and former Strikeforce and PRIDE champ Dan Henderson.
Cerrone recently got back into contender status with his second straight victory, a first-round knockout of former training partner Melvin Guillard (47-12-3 MMA, 11-7 UFC) at UFC 150. In May, Cerrone won a unanimous decision against Jeremy Stephens to get back in the win column following a disappointing loss to Nate Diaz at UFC 141 in December.
Cerrone's loss to Diaz snapped his six-fight win streak and his shot at going 5-0 in the UFC to start his career in the promotion, all in 2011.
But with the KO of Guillard, which earned him both "Knockout of the Night" and "Fight of the Night" bonuses in the amount of $60,000 each, Cerrone put himself squarely back into lightweight title contention. Diaz on Dec. 8 challenges champion Benson Henderson at UFC on FOX 5, and all signs point to Cerrone getting a fight against former WEC lightweight champion Anthony Pettis, who currently is recovering from an injury. The winner of that fight may very well be the next top contender in the division.
The full UFC 151 lineup includes:
MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)
- Champ Jon Jones vs. Dan Henderson (for light-heavyweight title)
- Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
- Dennis Siver vs. Eddie Yagin
- Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
- John Lineker vs. Yasuhiro Urushitani
PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 8 p.m. ET)
- Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
- Jeff Hougland vs. Takeya Mizugaki
- Tim Means vs. Abel Trujillo
- Daron Cruickshank vs. Henry Martinez
PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 7 p.m. ET)
- Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
- Charlie Brenneman vs. Kyle Noke
For more on UFC 151, check out the UFC Rumors section of the site.
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May 16, 2013
By Maya Rhodan
NNPA Washington Correspondent
WASHINGTON (NNPA) – For Malcolm Shabazz, grandson of Malcolm X, trouble seemed to come easy.
His troubles began in 1997, when at age 12 he plead guilty to setting fire to the apartment of his grandmother, Betty Shabazz, that resulted in her death in New York. As a result, young Malcolm spent four years in juvenile detention centers.
In 2003, he was back behind bars—this time as a result of an attempted robbery. And in 2006, it was for punching a hole in a donut shop wall in Yonkers, N.Y..
His troubles ended for good in Mexico City last Wednesday, when the 28-year-old was killed after being beaten outside of a bar, according to sources close to Shabazz.
Well-known publicist and family friend, Terrie Williams of New York, confirmed Malcolm's death via Twitter and Facebook.
"I'm confirming, per US Embassy, on behlf of family, the tragic death of Malcolm Shabazz, grandson of Malcom X," Williams tweeted.
Shabazz was reportedly traveling to Mexico City with RUMEC, a Mexican labor organization based in California, when he was beaten to death in an attempted robbery, according to Juan Ruiz, a member of RUMEC.
Ruiz, who spoke to the political news website, Talking Points Memo, was one of the first to get in contact with RUMEC leader Miguel Suarez, who was with Shabazz at the time of his death. Suarez had been deported to Mexico from the U.S. last month and Shabazz reportedly traveling to Mexico to support the labor rights activist.
Reporters from the Associated Press spoke to Suarez who said, Shabazz was beaten outside of a bar in downtown Mexico City, after the owner asked to two to pay a $1,200 bar tab for drinks, music, and dances with women inside the establishment.
The owners of the club hassled the two, demanding the cash, according to Suarezm and the two were separated—a man with a gun took Suarez into a room, Shabazz was left in the hall. Suarez reportedly managed to get away, and left the bar in a cab. When he came back, he told reporters, he found Shabazz outside of the bar.
"He was in shock. His face was messed up," Suarez told the AP. "He was alive."
Suarez later called the police and took Shabazz to the hospital, but Shabazz died soon after as a result of blunt-force trauma.
In a statement, the family of Shabazz expressed grief, but added that the slain 28-year-old can now rest "in peace in the arms of his grandparents and the safety of God."
The stated released through Terrie Williams said, "We are deeply saddened by the passing of our beloved El Hajj Malcolm El Shabazz. To all who knew him, he offered kindness, encouragement and hope for a better tomorrow."
In February, as he traveled to Iran, it was widely reported that Shabazz had been arrested by the FBI. Though the Shabazz family later deemed the news report untruthful, it didn't come as a surprise given the record of Malcolm X's namesake.
Like his grandfather Malcolm X, whose own young life was littered with troubles, Malcolm Shabazz was no stranger to the legal system.
When Malcolm was young his mother Qubilah, the second of Malcolm X's six daughters, was charged with planning to murder Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan with her boyfriend. She believed Farrakhan played a role in the assassination of her father, a charge the Nation of Islam leader has consistently denied.
Though her charges were dropped and she was sent to a rehabilitation center in Texas instead of prison, Malcolm was sent to live with his grandmother in Yonkers, N.Y. at age 10.
Two years later, after an attempt at living with his mother in San Antonio failed, young Malcolm set fire to the apartment he and his grandmother shared. The fire that killed of Betty Shabazz, 61, the widow of Malcolm X.
Her grandson was considered schizophrenic and paranoid. He said he heard voices telling him to set things on fire. He was sentenced to 18 months in a juvenile detention center. The initial sentence led to Malcolm spending the next four years of his youth in and out of detention centers.
According to a 2003 New York Times profile, he joined a gang, sold drugs, and built a rapport among the street thugs of Manhattan. In 2002, he skipped bail after an arrest for an attempted robbery in Middletown, N.Y. and spent another three and a half years in the penal system, this time in Great Meadow Correctional Facility, a prison in Washington County New York, Malcolm was 18.
Malcolm told the Times of his plans for the future, as he studied Islam behind bars, again, like his grandfather before him. He is quoted as saying, "My name will bring attention. People know Malcolm Shabazz, whether you like me or not."
He found inspiration in his grandfather's life, as the two both got off to similarly rocky starts. "He didn't know he was going to be Malcolm X. He didn't know that," Shabazz said in the 2003 New York Times interview. "But with me, I know what I want to do. I know what I want to be."
According to the New York Amsterdam News, Shabazz was in the process of writing two books and was attending Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. He is survived by two daughters, his mother, and several aunts.


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Flow blow: Wasteworks may seek trash monopoly
Rivanna Solid Waste Authority director Tom Frederick has long contended that the Authority's now $20 million RICO lawsuit against Peter Van der Linde has nothing to do with the competing trash facility the private businessperson opened last December, an $11 million Materials Recovery Facility that quickly captured the local market for construction debris and commingled recyclables. But on the eve of Van der Linde's opening of an expansion that would also take household trash for recycling–- a move that could potentially siphon off the Authority's remaining revenue stream–- the Authority is now discussing an option that could put the recycling entrepreneur out of business.
"If they hand over Ivy to Waste Management, Allied, or some other big company with a flow-control guarantee," says Van der Linde, "I'm doomed."
Unaware of flow-control? Don't worry, several Board members, including City Councilor David Brown, weren't initially clear on the concept either.
However, according to Van der Linde, who attended the RSWA Board's September 22 meeting, flow-control is even more heavy-handed than the Authority's lawsuit, which alleges that he and his employees conspired in the past to bilk the Authority out of millions in tipping fees.
Flow-control would let government decree where all trash is taken. Flow-control could even make it illegal for anyone from the county or the city to bring their trash to Van der Linde, as it would force haulers to use a government-approved facility.
If it may sound un-American, the practice was actually upheld in 2007 by the U.S. Supreme Court. In United Haulers v. Oneida-Herkimer, the six-Justice majority condoned flow-control for publicly-owned facilities because it allows government to ensure, thanks to the steady flow of tipping fees, that trash collection and recycling follow all regulations–- instead of getting left to the whims of the marketplace.
Not all the Justices tremble before the whims of the marketplace. Samuel Alito, who was joined by John Paul Stevens and Anthony Kennedy, slammed the ruling for its "economic protectionism," maintaining there was no real difference between it and an earlier ruling, C & A Carbone, Inc. v. Clarkstown in 1994, which did not make the private/public distinction and held that flow-control laws "discriminated against interstate commerce."
However, some legal observers believe the current Supreme Court ruling does not adequately define "publicly-owned," an omission that could leave the law open to interpretation
"Questions will come up, for example, when the facility is publicly owned and privately operated," said Barry Shanoff, outside legal counsel for the Solid Waste Association of North America (SWANA), after the 2007 ruling. "As a result of this decision, we're going to see all sorts of flow-control scenarios unfold."
At Tuesday's trash meeting, just such a scenario unfolded, as RSWA Board members discussed the possibility of adopting a flow-control ordinance with a publicly-owned, but privately built and operated facility at what used to be called the Ivy Landfill.
This public/private "hybrid," as Authority lawyer Kurt Krueger referred to it, would be a way to fund a new facility, and as Krueger explained, might also allow the Authority to enforce flow-control under the new law.
County Supervisor Ken Boyd–- a Republican who, during the meeting, called himself a "free market kind of guy"–- raised the idea of privatizing Ivy, but said he hoped a new facility would be a "market-driven thing" and that they "wouldn't have to dictate where the trash goes."
However, Krueger quickly pointed out that there wouldn't be much of an incentive for any firm to respond to an RFP if it weren't accompanied by a flow-control ordinance. When board member Brown asked if two RFPs could be issued, one with a flow-control ordinance and one without, Krueger sounded amused.
"You could," Krueger responded, "but I'm not sure what the response would be."
City public works director Judy Mueller, who first uttered the words "flow-control" at the meeting, seemed to concur that companies would balk at an RFP without flow-control. "They'd want to know what kind of quantities they would get," said Mueller. "That's the key."
"So not many people would go for the no flow-control option," noted Boyd.
"That way," said Board member Mark Graham, highlighting the benefits of a flow-control ordinance, " you're sure of your market before you make an investment."
While enacting a flow-control ordinance would require approval from both area governments, and considerable discussion from the public, the trash Board's new "shift in direction," as Boyd characterized it, appears to have laid the ground work.
"In all fairness to Tom [Frederick], he only has 24 hours in a day," said Mueller in the final minute of the 10-minute discussion, "and there are a lot of things on his plate. I'd like to ask the board to give us a few thousand dollars to get some outside help to get this RFP together."
So will the RFP include a flow-control ordinance? Apparently, we won't know until it is written and presented to the Board.
"I do not believe the Board directed the staff on the specifics of how to write the RFP," says Frederick, who did not rule out the possibility of adopting a flow-control ordinance.
Ironically, as the Authority struggles to survive, the man they're suing appears to be thriving. So far.
"I'll be hauling one hundred percent of my stuff there," says trash hauler Frank McCauley, eagerly anticipating the open-any-day-now household trash facility. "Peter's facility is changing the landscape of the trash hauling business."
Gene Ware, who says Van der Linde has made it possible for Time Disposal to offer curbside recycling, says he's seen a "tremendous" increase in the number of his customers recycling.
While Ware says Time hasn't decided yet about taking household trash to Van der Linde, he suggests that the big factor is tipping fees, which typically start at $62 at the current government-approved facilities.
"It's economics for us," says Ware. "If he's $44 a ton"Š."
Of course, if the Authority succeeds in getting a flow-control ordinance passed, it won't much matter what innovations Van der Linde unleashes.
"Residents and businesses should prepare themselves for dramatic price increases," according to the general counsel of the National Solid Wastes Management Authority in a 2007 trade magazine story. "Flow control creates a local waste monopoly insulated from free-market competition."
"Obviously, no one is going to go near this thing without flow-control," says Van der Linde. "They are really turning back the hands of time if they decide to do this."
Related stories:
February 14, 2008–Coming soon! van der Linde's amazing recycling machine
July 17, 2008–Single-streamin': Why not try private sector recycling machine?
April 2, 2009–What a Waste: Is the trash Authority going obsolete?
April 20, 2009–Wasted revenue? Authority realized in 2005 station didn't track origins
May 29, 2009–Recycle this! Van der Linde steps up tone
August 17, 2009–Trash talkin': Waste war could decide the future
August 17, 2009 Don Van der Linde? Wasteworks Whacks Recycler with RICO
Updated 9/29/2009 2:43pm
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This reminds me of playing basketball with other kids when I was 9. If you're going to lose you change the rules so that you can win! I figured that out and I don't charge $515 an hour. I love that my County tax dollars are going towards this junk (pun intended). RWSA is a disgrace. I'm sure they'll just change the rules to make being a disgrace a good thing.
LOVE the "DUMP RSWA" sign idea!
It really be cool if the lawyers name was Freddy
The lawsuit went from 3 to 11.
Have you seen Chevy's new logo.
"May the best car win"
That comes to mind when I read this.
This is incredible. And ridiculous.
Lest anyone have a misunderstanding of just who these folks are:
The current board consists of:
* Michael Gaffney, Chairman
* Mark B. Graham, P.E., Director of Community Development, Albemarle County
* Judith Mueller, Director of Public Works, City of Charlottesville
* Gary O'Connell, City Manager
* Robert Tucker, County Executive
* David Brown, Charlottesville City Councilor
* Ken Boyd, Albemarle County Supervisor
from: http://www.cvillepedia.org/mediawiki/index.php/Rivanna_Solid_Waste_Autho...
These are mostly the same people selling us down the river with the Ragged Mountain Dam. They should be mocked and sneered at when seen in public.
Van der Linde, on the other hand is exactly the kind of person we need on a board like RSWA, assuming we need one at all. Despite the vast difference in resources, he's creatively solving our area's trash and recycling problems and we're suing him for it. He makes our bureaucrat filled board look like a bunch of r@tards. And rightly so.
Reality Check, This is not about people (including myself) "not liking" Szakos personally, as you imply. I don't know Szakos personally.
I'm just watching her closely and while doing so, I'm seeing some strange action. I don't vote with or sign with any party. Szakos is a candidate, man! She put herself in the news. She is messing up so much it is funny and sad.
plop (aka ???!!) you need to check yourself. Your histrionics and paranoia schtick are getting tiresome. Nobody is trying to shut anybody up. Problem is, you guys are shooting at the wrong person.
You don't like Szakos? Fine, don't vote for her. But gunning for her like a pack of 4th grade girls in a school bathroom is really weird, and a touch obsessive.
My God, Fenwick scored ten times better than Szakos during the Fry Springs event. No one can argue that! She talked in circles the whole time. I say, let Fenwick and Co. dredge. My $ and yours will be saved.
We must have been at different events. Fenwick came across as an angry simpleton to many in the room and he totally blew it on the RWSA question. Not ready for prime time.
I meant RSWA
You are speaking of one question.
Kristen Szakos presented herself poorly for most of the event and you know it. No feather in the cap on this night.
???!!-- boy, are you confused. Your logic is all over th place. Do you not read The Hook and this blog? Since you are apparently the last one to know, I'll explain. Lots of people are upset at the way Gary O has represented the city on the RWSA board. People are upset with him for other reasons as well, but let's just use this as a current and particularly glaring example.
Are you saying that the citizens of Charlottesville now have to use restraint in criticizing the City Manager's job performance because he possesses special legal rights the rest of us don't? You'd better call the media and Rob Schilling too, because I don't think they got that memo.
Your use of the odd phrase "telling tales" to describe a simple statement makes it all the easier to identify you. Very few people speak in a vernacular reminiscent of a schoolmarm from Little House on the Prairie. Or maybe it's reminding me of Patty McCormick in The Bad Seed.
How can Mr. Free Enterprise himself, Ken Boyd let this happen ?
Isn't it time we show these people the exit and help Mr. Krueger find a new job for $515 an hour somewhere else ? Can't wait for this public hearing! And golly, Frederick and Mueller need more money to run Van der Linde out of business than their measeley salaries--maybe we should hold a fundraiser.
Lord help us poor Fluvanna County residents that live along Route 250 west of Zions Crossroads. Van der Linde officials graciously agreed to ban their owned trucks from using Route 250 via SUP requirement unless service is required in using Route 250. They have kept their promise and we very, very much appreciate it! However, if Van der Linde goes out of business and BFI takes over we will hear and see their trucks along with 50 million other big and loud haulers on Route 250 in Fluvanna County. Along with the trucks, once again, you will see an overwhelming amount of trash along the road along with safety issues, noise, and road deterioration. The ones using the BFI facility at Zions Crossroads use Route 250 in Fluvanna County exclusively. Flow control my foot as far as liter control along the Route 250 corridor in Fluvanna County is concerned. Taking I-64 at Zions Crossroads works just as well. Get with the program BFI!!
Peter van der Linde and Dave McNair will be on the Schilling Show next week on Wednesday at 1 PM. The shows airs on WINA on AM 1070. It should be a very informative show. If you miss it, you will be able to listen to a podcasts on http://www.wina.com/pages/3063561.php? .
Reality Check, What is your beef? Fess up.
Someone bothering you?
You need help.
@Let's get serious, your posts are devoid of information, just opinion.
Let's get Serious, Maybe you are tired???
I will vote for any candidate that will come out AGAINST flow control (and I do vote). I agree with RC, this is obviously just an idea created in a dark back room with a group of lawyers trying to figure out a way to exact a personal vendetta against a man that is doing good for our community. I am in absolute disbelieve that our money goes to fight something that is so easily seen as a good thing. Recycling without having to separate! A machine the does all of this for us! One container! What is wrong with these people. This is an outrage. Flow control will do nothing but stop innovation and drive up our bills. There is simply no reason for the RSWA to be in the trash/recycling business anymore. Sick Sick Sick.
Check outt the links in this article: http://www.readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/17/don-van-der-linde-w...
Why is Van der Linde being sued? Where are the details about what he did wrong? I'm curious. It just seems like this article is very lopsided.
RC, Sorry your nerve was pressed. Szakos is yaking too much and making a fool of herself in public. Such is not Fenwick's fault nor mine.Did you go to the forum last night? Szakos presented herself as a nervous,needy teenager. I agree, there is plenty of blame to cast upon those in office, but the sad reality, Szakos is presenting herself pitifully. Why should we heap on false praise? Norris is also losing points for playing the big brother protective role for her. The well deserved criticism has nothing to do with Fenwick. You can stay embarrassed, I will be more embarrassed if she is elected! RC, Szakos spouted off inappropriately before the wrong group. More to come. And What's done is done.
Reality check is trying to shut some people up. My guess, they won't buy it. I hope all the facts come out for all to hear.
"How does she know this? Who is spilling the beans to her? "
Uhm... Mover@, do you really not realize that most of what happens in public as far as our local government (or government in general) goes is only the tip of the iceberg? She talks to the people who really call the shots in the local Democratic party. She wouldn't be where she is otherwise. Running her mouth like that probably won't be too pleasing to them though if it's for real.
The horrible RSWA situation was encouraged by C Council. We need a real change in this setup asap. Our city is being sold down the river and the BIG DEMS are leading the way.
When is the next forum and where and sponsored by whom?
Dirt about Gary O'Connell's insubordination has been in public for quite some time. Council gave him instrusction in his performance on RWSA in a Council meeting. Video is archived on the City's website. O'Connell proceeds to email RWSA board members to ignore what they had heard were the wishes of Council because Council didn't put it in writing and Lynch and Hamilton would be coming off of Council the next month (January).
Also, he has overseen so many projects with overruns, the City had to hire a private company to come in to oversee the Mall's rebricking. Do we need more?
Let's get serious OR Reality Check can't take it that Fenwick presents himself better than Szakos can. Why is this the fault of Fenwick or anyone else?
Peter van der Linde was on the Coy Barefoot show. Listen: http://www.cvillepodcast.com/2009/10/02/charlottesville-right-now-peter-...
Gary O'Connell is no where near retirement age. He hasn't hit 60 even and I don't know of any early-retirement plan for City Hall, just the school system.
@Mike, no, I'm not Rob Schilling. He's the one that could stand sitting on Council listening politely to a bunch of nuts. I'm the who would sit there quietly, but my face would be projecting "Oh, sit down you fool and shut up. I don't want to waste my limited brain power absorbing your mess."
Betty Mooney could be on the list. She uses the necessary tact that I have stopped bothering with. With me, the thinner the hair, the thinner the patience. Thanks, though. I firmly believe that Reality Check could become a good councilor. What about Downing Smith and Colette Hall? The make great watchers and don't appear to be "pack driven." Of course, there's a lot of mundane duties and financial stuff that most of our Councilors have not shown interest in. That's why we have so many AUTHORITES. Past Councilors passed the buck. Hopefully the current ones will reverse their direction and not support the proposed regional transit/transportation authority that is being strongly pushed by the County. I think Norris has been snowed by them on this issue.
In the link above, Coy Barefoot offers a beginning plan of action.
RSWA still needs that extra $14/ton to pay for its old landfill cleanup problems. They need an RFP for find someone who is willing to collect it. BFI was willing and Allied has it in its contract now. We're talking millions. van der Linde operation threatens that of Allied and they're not sure if he will be on their team. Boyd unwittingly opened the door by saying publicly he was interested at looking at privatizing that operation. Thant gave the other board members and staff enough time to come up with flow control, which is pretty much the relationship RWSA has with Allied now, a monopoly on that $14/ton. With Brown, O'Connell and Mueller in favor, it's a shoo-in. This is why we sholdn't have any more AUTHORITIES.
The DISGRACE is on our political leaders! Perhaps the law allows county/city government to direct all solid wast to a governmentally owned facility for purposes of health, safety and welfare. But, that does NOT appear to be the case here in Albemarle County.
The Supreme Court opinion contains this quote;
ââ?¬Å?There is no reason to step in and hand local busi-
nesses a victory they could not obtain through the po-
litical process." Ante, at 11, 13.
The law assumes that THE PEOPLE elect good and fair public officials. Maybe we need new people in office who respect our land and will encourage recycling. People who respect the people and their money. People who encourage innovation and private enterprise.
Mr. Van Der Linde seems to be doing more for the health, safety and welfare of this community that RSWA. If our elected officials have a different opinion then they should make their case for the people to consider. Silence in intolerable and the public deserves better. Hiding behind high dollar attorneys should not be tolerated!
It also sets up a perfect scenario where a company might pay board members for their vote to award the contract. This scenario may induce some members to favor this method.
It seems to me that if they institute flow control then they need to reimburse van der linde for his losses since they effectivly eminent domained his business and condemned it.
Everyone needs to realize that this is a ploy that waste Management lobbyists are fighting for nationwide in order to get more business at a higher price. This is not just a local issue.
Next up is requiring all homeowners and businesses to recycle nearly everything. In some counties around the country they are fining busineses by going through their dumpster and finding a plastic bottle or a newspaper. Imagine having to have different trash cans for plastic, paper, newspaper, glass, foodstuffs, metal, and misc at EVERY DESK at EVERY OFFICE or get fined THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
Just like the oil companies quietly lobby against global warming the WASTE companies lobby with misleading facts about recycling.
as with any of this.....follow the money.
@Mike, City Council hires and fires the City Manager. The City Manager hires and fires everybody else. It's funny but Overrun O'Connell has been doing an unsatisfactory job for over a decade and most of that time Council has consistently given him a raise around September. He may not have gotten one last year and I haven't read where Council is discussing his evaluation this Fall.
There needs to be a serious edge to all of this. As in "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore" edge. Civility and politeness will only be used against us by the tottering tyrants to shove what we do not want down our throats and shove it elsewhere, because Tom Frederick and his civil thugs act as if they are in control here. But, first, as Howard pointed out, you gotta get mad! I'm not speaking of violence, but I am speaking of a clear and active demonstration of the electorate to forcefully remind all local elected officials that we taxpayers are in charge of how our money is spent. It is time to rise up and rid ourselves of this miscreant miasma, NOW!
Anyone up for printing up some Dump RWSA/RSWA yard signs? I can't think of a clever way to put it, and that hardly rolls off the tongue but I'd sure like to be able to put one in my yard! This shxt is getting ridiculous? What next?
RC, you're so right, if this is such a great idea why didn't they think of it 10 years ago. Totally transparent --a way to destroy Van der Linde. I'm for yard signs, petitions, voting for Fenwick, and anything else we can do to get rid of the RSWA/RWSA, and the officials that have their name on the lawsuit against this private businessman.
Best idea I've heard in a long, long time.
Someone please print them signs up! I'd gladly give a donation to whatever group does to get one and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
A monopoly is only legal if the government has got it and not a local citizen.
This is more unAmerican then a buldozer running over an apple pie.
Like a non-fat cheeseburger.
Do we live in Chicago now?
Elect Bob Fenwick !
Rob Schilling just announced that Dave McNair and Peter van der Linde will be on an upcoming Schilling Show, but he didn't say when. Dave?
Szakos has been heard,observed to say(within public areas),that she believes O'Connell will be "going" soon. There are reliable witnesses to her comment. How does she know this? Who is spilling the beans to her? Does Szakos make unwise,impulsive statements? The answer is yes. Loose lips? The answer is yes. This is very dangerous behavior for an elected official or candidate.
They always claim it's his stellar financial management and AAA bond rating. Who wouldn't be able to get that with all the money floating around Charlottesville --this year may be a different story.
Thanks C'ville Eye. I know that the City Council hires the City Manager and assumed that meant they could fire him as well with I assume as well some limitations on being able to do that and avoid paying a fortune in legal fees(not that wasting money on such things seems to be a problem around here). I wonder if there is a process that citizens can be more directly involved in to remove him.
Norris is fairly weak in his nice guy role, Brown is far worse, practically an O'Connell puppet, Holly Edward recently proved she doesn't have what it takes to stand up to RWSA even when she thinks they are wrong, and the other two don't seem like boat rockers to me. That means O'Connell isn't going any time soon without another approach. I was just hoping there was something we could try directly.
****Wow, it's really kind of depressing to mentally go over the list of City Councilors. I'm about as far from a Republican as you can get, but I'm starting to think I need to contribute to them locally just to force the other side to run better candidates. Szakos substituted for Talliaferro makes the list even less impressive.
mover2, you say that Szakos is "behaving badly" yet you offer nothing as an example. When I hear a statement like "behaving badly" I think of crass and boorish behavior. Her stating that O'Connell might be leaving is neither.
Plop, if you personally witnessed her "spreading this all over town", then why didn't you act like an adult and ask her about it directly, instead of spreading innuendo on the internet? Are you perhaps prone to juvenile hysteria and exaggeration, and so this is your preferred method of communication?
If you feel she's not a good debater, then say so. If you don't like her policies, then state clear reasons why, and back them up with fact, not innuendo. By the way, you can be a mediocre debater, and still be a good legislator. Anyone can have an off night or two. I give people the benefit of the doubt, even people on the opposite end of the political spectrum.
Szakos is not a friend of mine, and I disagree with her on a few of the issues. However, any time I've spent around her (alone or in a group, or when she's addressing an audience) she has been unfailingly polite, thoughtful, and genuinely interested in the people with whom she is conversing. I've never heard her say a mean or gossipy thing about anyone, even though she could have easily gotten away with doing so.
To All: Many people are upset with Gary O'Connell for many reasons, the latest being what's happening with the RWSA and RSWA. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know this. As many of you have read on this blog and others, city councilors have been coming under fire for not getting rid of him. His job performance and future retirement are topics of discussion many places, and by MANY people. This is a good time for ALL OF US to be discussing what we do and don't want in a future city manager. To single out one person's (Szakos) comments on the subject for censure is ridiculous.
Hmm, Szakos herself "spreading rumors" about Gary. It seems she would strive to set a higher standard in this regard. It is not up to the posters to tip a hat. Reality Check, do you have a medical license that qualifies you to dianose dysfuntional disorders via the internet? Your silliness is a joke. Lastly,Szakos' mentor is Dave, you know the one who caves to most everyone and especially the county. Szakos is tied to his side, and follows him like a puppy. Come to the next forum and you will get the picture. A hopeless situation.
Gary O'Connell also has legal rights as far as his job performance goes. I think it is smart for us all to remember that. I believe anyone (including paid officials or candidates), telling tales concerning his work performance had better use restraint. The public expects better of our leaders. The public has ears and uses them.
Reality Check,why don't the "DEMMIES in control" fire him if he is so BAD or out of control? Instead, they tuck a tail and gossip,whisper,rant..as you are doing??? HINT HINT!!
OR, Why don't the local people rise up to demand accountability?
I welcome the public's critical eye in this regard. The prob.,it isn't the general public talking.
By the way, WE ALL know who you are!!! Have a problem with us knowing?
By the way, the other dummies in the city let Gary have his way with RWSA. GARY's WIN here! THE CITY GOV LET HIM DO IT!
Anyone who thinks Fenwick is capable of holding elected office should have heard his response to the RSWA question at the Fry's Spring candidate forum. It was painful to watch. Even Fenwick's supporters were embarrassed. That's the danger of having a one-issue candidate. He is absolutely out of his league.
Reality Check, You're not making sense tonight. Your rantings and accusations are concerning. Please realize that the present City Council is ineffective in many many ways. Why bring on more of the same? It is obvious that is what you are pushing for.
Everyone out there who thinks that the RSWA just suddenly happened to realize that flow-control is a great idea, and that this has nothing at all to do with Mr Van der Linde's potentially successful facility, please raise your hands.
Yet another shameful episode from the RSWA/RWSA. Plain and simple... throw the bums out.
Vote for Fenwick. This article says flow control has to be approved by the city and county. Fenwick will vote against it.
It appears Mueller and gang were waiting for naive Ken Boyd to bring the subject up. The gang certainly has no desire to lose its power. Marionette Brown's comments are noticeably missing in theis article.
Kurt Krueger - as a legal advisor, why is he weighing-in on the RFP? He has no document to evaluate legally. Apparently, we are paying him $515 per hour to run the board, his employer. What a free-for-all.
Ken Boyd can forget about running for the 5th District's congressional seat. Too weak. Of course David Brown can forget about everything. He's a puppet.
Sorry that I don't know or even know where to look myself, but does anyone know what Charlottesville citizens can do to change our City Manager? There is so much wrong here that I don't see a solution other than making some big changes starting at the top and working down.
Mr./Mrs. Eye. Assuming you aren't Rob Schilling (hell even if you are) my current dream City Council has you, Bob Fenwick, and Peter Kleeman putting things back on track around here. Maybe Kevin Lynch would actually be able to do something useful rather than siting idly by with a pained look on his face with a group like that to work with. He doesn't quite make it onto my dream team though. Any others I'm overlooking?
"I'm the who would sit there quietly, but my face would be projecting ââ?¬Å?Oh, sit down you fool and shut up. I don't want to waste my limited brain power absorbing your mess."
Holy crap, so you're David Brown?!?!???!?!
From what I am observing, Bob Fenwick appears to be doing well. The lady appears to be encountering some difficulty. I'm not speaking of rumor, but of observed happenings throughout the community. Szakos' advocates must see that she improves and that she is accountable for her own mistakes. It is unfair for her supporters to cast blame for her flaws on Fenwick. She is a grown woman and she is responsible for her own actions. Fenwick can deal with RSWA. I don't believe Szakos can. I also respect Fenwick for holding firm with regard to the parkway. Ms Szakos will never stop the intrusion.
Reality check, No one (except you) suggested Gary O'connell made any comments himself about retiring. Szakos knows something about O'Connell because she is passing the word all over town. I suggest you ask her to give you the scoop directly.
Reality Check, The problem is Szakos is behaving so badly and folks are in shock at this point. Norris can't continue to prop her up. Have you talked with Szakos of late or listened to her speak? I would have to say, you appear clueless. Who is actually paranoid or in denial in this forum? Unsure it is the other posters.
I'm sure Szakos, aged 50, is aware that the public will evaluate her perception of her abilities and her shortcomings. Frankly, I see absolutely nothing that she brings to Council's table that is an attribute that I expect a person to have in order to deal with a $142M annual budget. And I will continue to say so until she can prove otherwise. So far, she is not running on financial issues, but social issues. We have had far too many of those on Councils past. That's why Gary O'Connell only allow them to play with about $5M a year. She would be hard pressed to find a $142M corporation that would accept her on its board, so I see no reason to put her on mine. Dave Norris won his election with about a 1500-vote margin, if I remember correctly, and I'm sure those voters will be glad to vote for her because they were social issue people. From what I've heard about her statements at the Fry's Spring Beach Club, she is totally unaware of the particulars of any of the City's issues, so I wonder where has she been all of this time.
@Mike, keep it coming!
I like Dave Norris, and was surprised to learn that he's got a masters degree in government, but when the City recently demanded greater representation on both the RWSA and RSWA boards because Gary O'Connell and Judy Mueller weren't on the same page as council, and was able to place a councilor on each board, who was selected? Brown on RSWA and Edwards on RWSA. These are some of the most powerful local entities, and rather than forcefully represent Charlottesville as its Mayor on each or either of them, Dave Norris left the hard work up to others who seem unequal to the task. Disappointing to say the least.
There are spots available on the Citizen's advisory board for RSWA. I'd encourage any city or county residents who are fed up with stories like this one to apply.
Mike, Sadly, it is completely true. If she denies her comment, and she may try to do so, then there are those who will call her down fast. She did what she did. Multiple members of the public heard her statements and documented the situation. Szakos or the Dems can't wiggle out. She was caught red handed.
"... paying a fortune in legal fees..." depends upon his employment contract. Another option is that Council can chastise his behavior in public. O'Connell and Mueller are appointed as representative of the City. Instead they actively serve as representatives of themselves, obviously operating and voting against the will of Council. Insubordination is often legitimate grounds for firing. Personally I think firing should be the last resort for disputes between managers and employees, but O'Connell's conduct has been pretty egregious, I think he should be given a warning that includes his infractions and, if he persists, he should be shown the door. I smell funk and I smell Mueller, Brown and O'Connell working behind the backs of the rest of Council to come up with this flow control idea.
"...AAA bond rating..." That's because we stash 10% of our annual budgets to an account that is non-expendable. That's over $14M just sitting there. He also gets staff to fill out a bunch of qustionnaires to win awards which makes everyone think that he must be doing a superior job.
"...the other two don't seem like boat rockers to me..." and they owe O'Connell for the best retirement benefits in the State, according to Blake Caravati.
"...just to force the other side to run better candidates..." We had a Republican on Council who frequently called O'Connell, but in putting the Party above good government, the Democrats on Council spent their time trying to discredit Rob Schilling rather than insisting upon better performance from the staff. They got rid of him and have exposed the skeleton of our local government in the worst kind of way.
"...Dave Norris left the hard work up to others..." he serves on the Housing Authority and spent about four years trying to chase the former ex. dir. out of town. When she finnaly left, the housing authority has had F ratings (troubled site) ever since and lost its ability to even apply for grants from HUD. He may have a degree in Government but he skipped over the chapters in management.
"...she believes O'Connell will be ââ?¬Å?going" soon." Sounds to me the plan is to spread the rumor within earshot of O'Connell that the Edwards, Szakos, Norris voting block will kick him out if he keeps not putting the $$$$M they want for low-income housing. It's just a ploy. Don't count on it. None of the three has experience in firing anyone and don't know how to go about it.
Went to the candidate's gathering last evening, Fry Spring's beach club. I was totally impressed with Bob Fenwick and he surely won my vote. He was confident and reassuring, yet he adequately addressed the questions. Szakos left me scratching my head as she visably struggled for answers. The Mayor tried to help her during the speeches, but she continued to fumble.Fenwick will listen to the people. Szakos will listen to the Dems.
As the drift goes, Szakos is now in trouble. She has brought on the crossing of a legal line in speaking of the city plan for Gary O's job. Of course she is learning it all from the inside.Poor judgement indeed.
The free market responds. Dump RSWA bumperstickers now available here:
and on www.schillingshow.com
Thanks to Dave McNair for his fearless coverage of this issue.
There's been talk in town for several years that Gary O'Connell is nearing retirement. This isn't news to anyone. One could hardly be surprised, considering his enormous pension package. Perhaps Gary himself has made idle comments about retiring.
If Bob Fenwick is half the candidate you claim he is, then you're not helping him any by rumor-mongering in this manner. It smells of desperation and bullying.
I'm pro-dredging and anti-MCP, and I'm embarrassed at the way some of you are foaming at the mouth. Save your ire for the elected and hired officials who got us into this mess in the first place.


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