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The December 30 Post
Otherwise known as the "I got nothin'" open thread.
Otherwise known as the "I got nothin'" open thread.
David Bowie is playing here. Go Ziggy!Patterico (8adc87) — 12/30/2012 @ 9:03 pm
Worth a look:
Sanctimonious "anti-gun" celebs get the smack down.Robert C. J. Parry (a5133c) — 12/30/2012 @ 9:25 pm
How about I give up my gun when all those politicians and celebrities give up their bodyguards' guns?
Except, I don't own a gun. They do, though. And they want you to know who matters. It's not you.Ag80 (b2c81f) — 12/30/2012 @ 10:07 pm
The Miami Herald's got something, as per usual this time of year:Steve57 (2073db) — 12/30/2012 @ 10:07 pm
I'm watching Valley Girl from 1983. Why didn't Deborah Foreman become a huge star? She is absolutely enchanting. I had a crush on her back then, and I still do today.JVW (4826a9) — 12/30/2012 @ 10:19 pm
I saw Bowie's American debut at the Santa Monica Civic in 1972. Great show. All Spiders from Mars.AZ Bob (28c32d) — 12/30/2012 @ 10:21 pm
Cliff me.mg (31009b) — 12/30/2012 @ 11:27 pm
http://www.magissue.com/deborah-foreman-biography-1962.htmlnarciso (3fec35) — 12/30/2012 @ 11:28 pm
There are $2,000 milling machines that can turn out high-capacity magazines one after the other, given a few springs.
And, mind you, this is a country that is awash in illegal cocaine grown in foreign countries. But we have to disarm the sane to show the crazy people that we mean business!Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:47 am
Nuke the Moon! is looking saner all the time.Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:47 am
Good you tube.
Demand a plan.
Demand celebrities go eff themselves.
You got nothing? Who do you think you are, President?SPQR (768505) — 12/31/2012 @ 6:15 am
Re: Valley Girl and Deborah Foreman
Funny how the teen girls that made your heart flutter when you were a teen yourself are still fair game for admiration even when you are an old-timer like me (while their peers look like kids)…I agree, she was a honey in that movie, made a handful more afterwards and for some reason fell out of the business. So many reasons why this might have happened; I could look it up.
Of course, her costar in that movie went on to bigger and better things but I think that was his first starring role, and you can basically see every scenery-chewing performance he's given since presaged in this one.
That film has a terrific soundtrack, which went unreleased for years and years because the various "record companies" involved couldn't work out the necessary rights. When it was eventually released decades later, the market for it had mostly evaporated.Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/31/2012 @ 6:57 am
Even (?) the DAILY BEAST is suspicious of Hillary Clinton's illness:
How Serious Is Hillary Clinton's Blood Clot and Hospitalization? Dec 31, 2012 4:45 AM EST
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:04 am
So, Kremlinologists, what do you think? Is Clinton faking a "diplomatic illness," as suggested by John Bolton and echoed by other members on the incredulous right? Or is she mighty sick and maybe dying, and the Clinton misdirection machine is simply spewing out falsehoods to throw people like me off the scent? Or is she really being treated for a clot related to the concussion, and once again our desperate need to inflate all things Clinton into a psychodrama requires us to assume nothing is quite what it seems?
Background: Hillary Clinton was admitted last night to New York Presbyterian Hospital, one of the top hospitals in New York, for treatment of a blood clot discovered Sunday. She was staying in Chappaqua.
She will stay in the hospital at least two days.
Clinton spokesman Phillipe Rein said (in a prepared statement according to the New York times) that physicians are worried about "other issues associated with her concussion" but declined to elaborate, according to the New York Daily News.
The Daily News has this on page 2, but the New York Post has this as its front page headline. It doesn't seem to be at all in the New York Times.
It's on the web page, though:
And the web page says it appeared on page A11, and yes, it's there, running down column 1, almost all the way to the bottom. the Wall Street Journal has it on page A7.
The National Enquirer says it is a brain tumor. The National Enquirer is close to Clinton, so that rules out a brain tumor, which isn't likely anyway in the first place..
I'd suspect some other kind of cancer, or maybe not cancer at all..perhaps she's being poisoned.
Since the doctors are more likely to omit information than to flat out lie, I'd say she probably fell. I'd say she has low calcium, and the fall and the clot could be related to medicine she's taking.
Now what drugs would cause bone thinning and clots?Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:17 am
Something about the Sandy Hook massacre is bothering me.
First reports said that Lanza used pistols to kill the children and teachers. The police found the Bushmaster in his car. The original 911 call said the shooter had two guns, not three. Isn't that report a rather odd mistake for police to make? Huff Po reported:
"The gunman drove to the school in his mother's car, the second official said. Three guns were found — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car."
The original breaking AP News links have been removed. The school was cordoned off for several days while investigators were "processing" the crime scene.
The pols in Connecticut don't like "assault weapons." Cops don't like them in the hands of civilians. The President doesn't like them either. Unfortunately for the gun banners, the AR15 Holmes used in Aurora and the one the shooter at the Clackamas Mall used had their mags jam. The lethality argument wasn't strong. In Newtown, the shooter, 20 children and 6 teachers were dead. Never let a crisis go to waste.
Did the police and their media enablers alter the facts? What harm would it do? Why not report something that contributes to the greater good? Did they fit this horrendous crime to a narrative as they did with Trayvon Martin case?
The Obama Administration armed thousands of Sinaloa gunmen to get semiautomatic weapons banned. What makes us think he would stop there?Arch (0baa7b) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:25 am
She'll get better eventually. Or not.
If she were faking just to avoid the congress, it would have been easier to show up and lie. The blogs would have covered it and the media would have covered it up as usual.
Hillary's problem is she would be honest before congress. She has been all along. Check the wikileaked state department docs.
So I'll assume she did fall and bust her head. She probably has the blood clot, just like the news says.
Get well soon, Hillary.
And happy New Year.papertiger (e55ba0) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:40 am
16. Adam Lanza actually had four guns with him. One he left in the car. It was a shotgun, I think. It was not the Bushmaster rifle. (on Dec 19 CNN said the policve had given no details about the shotgun but I did read something)
He killed himself with a pistol. I suppose it took them time to find the rifle.
They also said at first he had been buzzed in. Actually he shot the glass in the door. (if he had been buzzed in, he wouldn't have been able to carry the rifle with him)
The children were definitely shot with a rifle. that has stayed consistenmt and would explain the multiple bullets and why there were very few wounded but not killed. One teacher at least was wounded but not killed.Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:41 am
One comment at the RedState site lists 10 errors early the first day: (is this all the first hour or so?)
Disgruntled parent of student
Teacher's son
Two shooters
One suspect under arrest
Body of shooter's father found at house.
Body of shooter's brother found at house.
Suspects name is Ryan Lanza
Suspect was 'buzzed in at school because he was recognized'.
Target was shooter's mother who is a teacher at Sandy Hook
Shooter's mother was teacher's aide at Sandy Hook.
Actually, Adam Lanza was home schooled for a while, but his mother was not otherwise a teacher. His connection to that school was that he attended it until his mother took him out to home school him. He later attended public school again.
He was carrying ID that said Ryan Lanza. Police wnet to Ryan Lanza's home (in New Jersey) and discovered Ryan Lanza was alive, and pretty soon, after arresting him, that he had no connection with the shooting.
His parents were divorced, his father didn't live there, and he had killed his mother.Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:53 am
Hillary's problem is she would be honest before congress.
You're kidding.Gerald A (f26857) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:58 am
Believe me, I'm not saying that the press doesn't make serious mistakes in their reporting.
The original report was very specific. The 911 caller said "two pistols." A Bushmaster wouldn't be misidentified as a Glock or a Sig Sauer. The weapon in the car was a ".223 caliber rifle."
My point is that the errors are troubling because the final report aligns itself perfectly with the gun control story. There will be no trial where evidence must be presented under oath. It's too perfect.Arch (0baa7b) — 12/31/2012 @ 8:05 am
no not kidding.
Think about it. Why would you fake an illness to avoid a hearing where you are going to lie?
The lie would have few if any consequences, thanks to our media.
She doesn't need to fake an illness in that situation – hence she is planning on telling the truth.
Since she's going to tell the truth (maybe not all of the truth – but the things she says will be true to her best recollection) she doesn't need to fake an illness to get out of it.
Hill has a head ache – and a blood clot – don't doubt it.papertiger (e55ba0) — 12/31/2012 @ 8:12 am
Op-ed article in the New York Times today:
Let's Give Up on the Constitution
Not because of the Second Amendment. Because of the fiscal cliff!Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/31/2012 @ 8:15 am
A movie no one saw caused imaginary violent demonstrations in Benghazi which resulted in the death of the US Ambassador and 3 other Americans while Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, David Petreaus, et al, watched the attack unfold in real-time from the comfort and safety of the White House Situation Room.
As American land and sea forces assembled to attempt a rescue of the embattled Americans someone not yet identified by name ordered the Army and Navy response forces to stand-down, an order which could only come under the direct authority of the Commander-in-Chief. Both the Army General and the Navy Admiral organizing rescue operations were relieved of command to prevent them from going ahead anyway and deploying US armed forces to save the dozens of Americans under attack in Benghazi.
Since then the Obama Administration has been engaged in a widespread cover-up. They have manufactured excuses, delayed investigations, sent liars out to deceive us with blatantly phony disinformation, and stonewalled Congressional oversight committees.
Other than the Commander-in-Chief himself, Hillary Clinton has been the most elusive, first she failed to come forward and explain the State Department's role in the matter or her personal involvement. Next, the despicible Susan Rice tried to misrepresent the facts and failed. Then Hillary ducked Congressional inquiry to go wine tasting in Australia, then she got a stomach flu and fainted, now she's hospitalized with a blood clot.
Is Hillary faking illness to avoid testifying? Who can say for sure? I can't, but I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Hillary Clinton has a long established and crystal clear record of evading tough questions. Her memory always seems to vanish or get fuzzy at exactly the points when honest answers would shine the bright light of direct personal responsibility right in her smirking face.
And, you can bet your blue dress on that one.ropelight (f6ef47) — 12/31/2012 @ 8:25 am
Comment by ropelight (f6ef47) — 12/31/2012 @ 8:25 am
As American land and sea forces assembled to attempt a rescue of the embattled Americans someone not yet identified by name ordered the Army and Navy response forces to stand-down, an order which could only come under the direct authority of the Commander-in-Chief.
That gets it wrong. They only got half orders to get ready. An order to cross an international border without permission from the government would have to come from teh Comamndrer in chief.
here is my (imperfect) timeline on this period:
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:17 am
Sept 11, 2012 – day. Early in the day, at Sept 11th memorial ceremony
outside the Pentagon, President Obama declares: "Al Qaeda's leadership
has been devastated and Osama bin Laden will never threaten us again.
…No single event can destroy who we are. No act of terrorism can ever
change what we stand for."
Massive anti-America crowd around U.S Embassy in Cairo, Egypt. They appear
to support Al Qaeda, or call for freeing leader of 1993 World Trade Center
bombers, but embassy receives word that they are angry over a video posted
on YouTube and tries to argue against blaming U.S. government.
Later in the day, walls of Cairo embassy are scaled and Al Qaeda flag
planted, but situation appears to be under control. Intentions of
demonstrators appear to be limited, and embassy is not overrun, nor
lives put in danger, possibly due to intercession with Egyptian government.
In Benghazi, Libya, armed Islamist group starts setting up checkpoints
in city. State Department security contracter gets worried. Ambassador
Stevens, visiting Benghazi possibly is told not to leave the consulate
and agrees to hold all of his meetings that day inside.
Approximately 7:00-8:00 Libyan time: Dusk in Benghazi. Ansar al Sharia
(or people using that designation) begins putting up roadblocks around
the U.S. mission (called a consulate, although it actually did not have
that status)
8:30: Turkish Ambassador (or some other official) leaves the consulate. Amb Stevens goes to bed.
Sean Smith goes online.
3:40 / 9:40 Consulate notifies Tripoli it is under attack. TV cameras
linked to operations center in compound capture armed men
swarming through the compound and, for a while, events are
reported by voice almost live to Foggy Bottom in Washington.
There are 3 American security men stationed at the mission,
plus two that the Ambassador took with him from Tripoli. In
addition, there is the Ambassador and two others, and the
6-acre villa is otherwise unoccupied at the moment.
Some State Department personnel are staying at the annex because
it is considered more safe. (The Ambassador doesn't go there
because it would give the secret hideaway place away. Few
Libyans know about this second location, and no ordinary
In recent months, the main form of security for Americans in
Benghazi has been concealment. Cars do not have diplomatic
plates, or have them taken off, and are not washed to avoid
appearing rich.
9:40-9:42 Shots heard at or near the annex, which is located
about a mile from the villa where the Ambassador is.
9:45 Several security people twice ask for permission to
immediately go to the consulate and are told by their
superiors in the annex to "stand down" They had previously
provided security to the Ambassador when he traveled outside
the mission, but it had not been their job to guard the
consulate. This was done by the State Departments's own
Diplomatic Security force, and Libyans they trained and hired.
9:48? Urgent request comes from the CIA annex for military back-up
to help the compound (person in charge there apparently does
not want to risk his own people, or diminish the defenses of
of the annex.)
3:59 / 9:59 Unarmed drone is diverted from elsewhere in Libya to
4:05 /10:05 Bulletin about attack goes out on State Department alert system.
Ambassador and four [sic] others reported safe in safe room.
Also states that Embassy in Tripoli reports approximately 20
people armed people fired shots, and explosions have been
heard as well. Pentagon, White House probably notified.
4:05 / 10:05 CIA security team at secret annex/safe house heads out
toward consulate. (or partial security team, consisting of at least
Tyrone Woods and two others, possibly against orders to stay put.)
Approx 10:15 Security team stops at third location to pick up heavy
weapons, and possibly Libyan force. (possibly they never
did get heavy machine guns, but were delayed waiting for
them. The stand-down order may in fact have been only an
order to wait until they got some heavier weapons or
some other assistance.)
The official CIA statement around the time of Hurricane
Sandy (Sat. Oct. 27) said, in part:
"No one at any level in the CIA told anyone not to help those
in need." This is perfectly consistent with being told to wait
until they were better equipped, or until they got some Libyan
or other reinforcements, while promising it would happen any
minute now.
This could account for them asking to get going twice. And
finally perhaps just taking off.)
They drive using an indirect route to avoid armed groups,
so the 1-mile trip takes 24 minutes total. The last half
mile they go on foot. (to avoid possible roadblocks? Using
back yards or alleys of some kind to avoid possible enemy
4:29/ 10:29 5 or 6 man CIA security team, with 16 Libyans, arrives at
consulate. They come under fire when they arrive, but
attackers appear to retreat, leaving behind burning building(s)
4:30 /10:30 Pentagon's command center alerts Sect Def Panetta to attack
4:45/10:45? Unarmed drone diverted to Benghazi.
4:54/ 10:54 State Dep't bulletin system says Embassy in Tripoli reports
that firing has stopped and compound has been cleared of
attackers. Response team is at mission attempting to locate
missing personnel, all of whom, presumably, went into
hiding, and are out of communication.
Before 5:00/11:00 – President Obama meets with National Security Council
in previously scheduled meeting (probably about the danger to
the Cairo embassy.) Among those present are National Security
Adviser Tom Donilon, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, amd
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey.
Subject of danger to Benghazi, Libya mission and personnel
is added to agenda.
Before the meeting starts, President gets told of attack,
and that it appears to be over, but they are out of contact
with the Ambassador and some others, and some people are
on the scene looking for them. Ambassador was last reported
safe, but some time ago, and danger remains in the streets
of Benghazi, and it may be difficult to leave safely.
Because things seems to be taking too long, President Obama
directs that they make sure that everybody is doing what they
need to in order to find the Ambassador and others and take
them all to safety.
Crazily contradictory information comes from the Libyan
government (details unspecified by Newsweek/Daily Beast)
Also: They are told, first, that a Libyan force of 40 men made
it to the consulate, but were forced to retreat, and, later,
that a second force sent out to the consulate couldn't get
there because roads were being blocked by attackers, and that
they also had come under sniper fire.
Decision made to move U.S military assets for possible use
later. (In subsequent days some go to Egypt, Yemen, and
embassy in Libya, and many drones fly over Benghazi.)
President also orders there be an investigation to determine
who was responsible for the attack, and that we try to ensure
that proceedings are brought against them.
That ends high level/White House involvement. President
goes to Vegas for a planned campaign event.
5:11 /11:11 Unarmed drone, redirected from surveillance mission over
Al Qaeda-like training camps, arrives in Benghazi. Officials
in Washington see which buildings are burning. This drone is
of no use to CIA team on the ground. The drone offers only
a "soda-straw" view and is of low resolution. Further
processing normally creates a more intelligible panoramic
Till 11:30: Security team looks for people. They find one person dead in
burning building. Cannot find ambassador. At insistence of
Libyans with them, leave without the Ambassador. They come
under fire as they leave. (possibly closer to 11:20 than 11:30)
5:41/ 11:41 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephones CIA Director
David Petraeus. Subject: Need for co-operation of some kind.
(She may not know at that time that some people from the
annex actually went there. Or this possibly is over the
fact that they left without finding the Ambassador.)
??? In Tripoli, Libya, 22-man security team (which really is made up
of people who, at the moment, are working under the auspices
of the CIA) sets out to fly to Benghazi, 480 miles east of
Tripoli, but they encounter difficulties. They take cash to
hire a plane, but Libyan authorities insist response be
co-ordinated with Libyan force on the ground in Benghazi, and
delay the flight. Eventually, Libyan force is assembled.
Nobody asks the miitary to do anything. Forces in Italy are
about the same distance from Benghazi as Tripoli is. Getting
them involved might require a special presidential order. As
of this point, General Ham doesn't think there seems to be any
need for them, so no such order is sought, but some forces are
activated and moved closer to Benghazi just in case the
situation deteriorates further.
11:30-11:45 Team returning from consulate to annex/safe house with
several rescued Americans and dead body, is in constant
radio contact with their headquarters. On their way back
to annex from consulate, team gets lost or misdirected and
so takes a long time to get back also. Tires were hit by gunfire.
6:07/12:07 Bulletin system reports Ansar al Sharia claimed responsibility.
on Facebook and Twitter and calls for attack also in Tripoli.
6:00/12:00? After arriving back at annex, the annex itself comes under
attack from small arms fire and RPG rounds. Local CIA security
team returns fire. Annex calls for military support. (Or maybe
this is later. There are no communications problems anytime
during the night.)
Attackers disperse about 1 AM, as….
7:00/ 1:00 Security team (Quick Reaction Force) touches down at Benghazi
Airport. They have to negotiate transportation into Benghazi.
About 30 Libyans, drawn from various militias, go to meet
them while they wait.
1-2 AM Team at airport learns annex is no longer under attack and
Ambassador is missing. Then get told he is at the hospital.
Make plans to travel to hospital with armed Libyan escort.
7:15/1:15 It is reported, probably falsely, that terrorists from Ansar
al Sharia have surrounded the hospital. This delays any
trip to the hospital. Security team also hears ambassador
is almost certainly dead.
1:30-1:45? With security situation at hospital unclear, and Ambassador
likely dead, they decide to head instead to the annex, as
originally intended.
8:00/2:00 Ambassador pronounced dead at hospital.
Meanwhile: British personnel present in Bengazi never get called.
Various U.S. military assets brought closer, but in the
end, they just spin their wheels. Also alerted are some
some small units from all over. Among them are Marines
known as FAST teams, who are deployed at U.S. Naval bases
and a special operations team based in central Europe,
which goes to Sigonella, Italy, and even people from
Fort Bragg, North Carolina. Also: A second unarmed
drone arrives at some point.
Some people – a few Americans and some Libyans, including
some who talked to Newsweek, go to the annex.
10:00/ 4:00? About this time, says a Libyan militia officer who calls
himself Ibn Febrayir, a shot rings out, followed within
seconds by rocket propelled grenades raining down from
men stationed in rooftops and behind trees. In a space
of two minutes, 15 RPGs hit. Then it ends.
Then a mortar goes off and hits the roof of one of the
buildings. Ibn Febrayir says they must have known the
co-ordinates. He and his force retreat down the road.
Two Americans, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, are killed
and David Ubben, Ambassador's Steven's personal security
guard, who escaped from the burning huilding where the
Ambassador and Sean Smith were, is severely wounded and
nearly killed.
11:15 /5:15 Security team "races" (?) to the annex using GPS locators
to guide them. . (Just when?)
11:30/5:30? Annex goes under attack again. Two security officers killed
by mortar fire. Attack lasts 11 minutes.
(an attack must have preceded the sending of reinforcements from
the airport. The Friday November 2, 2012 Wall Street Journal
article seems to mention only one attack at the annex
during the wee hours – after the team rushes there – and
seems to attribute the death of the two Americans to an
11-minute attack some minutes after 5:15 am Libyan time.
It could be an editing problem, where a paragraph explaining
what caused the people at the airport to suddenly decide,
after several hours, to go to the annex, is left out.
Or it could be, partially because they talked to different
people, the reporters have not gotten the story straight.
Maybe both. It could be also that their sources assume
that Libya uses Daily Savings Time, but it does not, and
the 5:15 am attack takes place at 4:15 am Libyan time. Libya
should be six time zones ahead of the East Coast of the
United States, but it really is 7, because it is on
Egyptian time. If it doesn't use Daily Savings Time,
that sets it back to six hours ahead during most of the
year, where it actually belongs.
Sometime in the wee hours: A drone watches this, but officials in Washington decide they
can't tell friend from foe, from spectator, and this is all
in a residential neighborhood, so they decide to do nothing
from the air and rely on ground troops (The Quick Reaction
Force.) A possible consideration maybe that the range of
destruction from air power is usually much greater than
that of ground forces.
[Of course, even not knowing what the true loyalties of
various armed groups or their commanders are, and who
will stay out of any fight, and who won't, and where they
are, you can at least respond to someone who fires at
Americans, but this possibility is overlooked in any orders
that are issued.]
One member of local annex security on roof of annex was
manning a heavy machine gun when mortars fired at the CIA
compound. The security officer had a laser. He repeatedly
requests back-up support from a Spectre gunship (commonly
used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to
Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense
firefights) but gunship does not get involved, perhaps because
of prior contradictory order not to shoot till ordered to,
except in self-defense.
Person with
laser finally points it on target that is firing in hopes of
forcing intervention, or in desperation, but man who pointed the
laser gets killed. This is former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods.
Glenn Doherty is also killed during the attack, and others
severely wounded.
5:30 Ibn Febrayir gets a call from a Libyan official (is this the
deputy minister of the Interior for eastern Libya who has
four spellings of his name in the Latin alphabet, one of which
which is Wanis al-Sharef?) telling him a "foreign force" would
arrive by 6 a.m. and everyone near the "farm" would be treated
as hostile and they must get out before they arrive. He doesn't,
and a mixed group of militia arrives. Ibn Febrayir isn't sure he
can trust them.
??? People from annex evacuated. Three captured Libyan attackers are
handed over to one of the Libyan forces that arrives at the
scene and apparently freed immediately or later.
???? Ambassador's body delivered to airport, and Defense Department
plane takes off from Benghazi Airport for Tripoli carrying
with it all Americans government employees based in Benghazi
(about 30 people, 7 of them on the State Department payroll,
and the rest on the CIA payroll, most with diplomatic
passports. All or most of thise based in Benghazi fly on
to Germany.)
??? State Department announces one American is dead. No public
statement of any kind is issued about anything till past
10:30 prompted by news that Mitt Romney is releasing a
statement, complaining about nothing being said.
Sep 12 day State Department and White House announce that Ambassador
and three others are dead.
CIA station chief in Libya says in cable that this had been
a terrorist attack.
Also: CIA sends Libyans to destroy sensitive documents at the
annex. Consulate, with less sensitive documents is left
exposed to looters, curiosity seekers, and western
reporters for weeks. Some documents taken by or sold to
American reporters. Among them: Notebook/diary of the
Ambassador where he expresses the thought that he is a
target of Al Qaeda and copy of message dated Sept 11
from the Embassy to the Libyan government stating that
guards had noticed a Libyan police officer across the
street photographing the inside of the special mission.
This was obtained by reporters the week of Oct 20-27. It
had previosly been reported that Sean Smith had complained
about that.
Sept. Annex abandoned after supposedly being scrubbed. Owners
move back inside by early October. (Man and wife and two
children) Refuse to comment to reporters. Neighbors never
knew this was any place important – never had any visible
guards, or extra security precautions or police presence.
Sept 13ff FBI interviews Benghazi evacuees.
Sept FBI delays arrival in Benghazi. Finally shows up weeks later.
Sept 14 CIA prepared Presidential briefing says that attack on
on consulate had been sparked by protest over a video
and was spontaneous and unplanned but possibly people
who had always had it in for U.S. took advantage of
the protest.
Sept 14-15 CIA does not incorporate into its analysis any information
gleaned from reports of interviews of Benghazi evacuees
conducted by the FBI, or anything anybody in Washington
might know first or second hand.
Sept 15-16 CIA intelligence analysis gets stronger and stronger
that this attack had not been planned in advance and
started with a (possibly unrelated) rapidly organized
protest about the You Tube video, done in imitation
of the one in Cairo.
Someone in the White House decides that this welcome news,
which could diminish criticism, should be publicized far
and wide and sends U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice out to all
the Sunday morning news interview shows.
(The sources for the CIA were sooper sekrit intelligence
they got from the same terrorist and Libyan government
informants they'd been using for months, confirmed by
published Libyan press reports and one cherry picked
Sept 11/12 telephone call from someone in Ansar al Sharia
to someone in Mali connected with Al Qaeda in which he
was told that he had watched the protest in Cairo before
the attack in Benghazi. (I thought earlier it was that he
he said this started with a protest about a video. We
don't have a good report of exactly what was said in that
monitored telephone call. We do hear that only one call
backed up the protest theory. The U.S. was evidentally
monitoring Al Qaeda in Mali, not the people in Benghazi,
so wouldn't know about any calls made anywhere else, like
to Cairo, Egypt.)
The informants may have been vouched for by the Saudis,
so the consequences of having been fooled by them may be
truly monumental. (My speculation. Of course, there never
was any reason at all to trust Saudi intelligence and
mistrust of the Saudis actually may have been what
prompted the Ambassador's trip to Benghazi, as he was
trying to stop them from including ManPads in the arms
shipments they were sending to their favorite rebels in
Syria through Turkey. In fact, his instructions may have
been to try to stop the entire shipment if possible.)
[Saudi intelligence is now run by the man who probably killed
Vincent Foster on July 20, 1993 and then rushed to President
Clinton and persuaded him and Sandy Burglar to cover it up.
Source for that: reading between the lines of Fred Barnes
article in the March 14, 1994 New Republic. Key word: July.
And the fact that's it's a pack of lies. And the fact that
they ask people not to draw conclusions. And the timing of
the leak: Early March, 1994, right at the time of other
Foster case leaks.
And the fact that there would be a record of such a meeting
(somewhere) so that someone might feel impelled to place on
on the public record an exxplanation of the unscheduled
Clinton-Bandar meeting. But also the fact that it was ot
possible, using the Freedom of Information Act, to confirm
or refute the fact of this meeting, and even a round-about
attempt through a FOIA request to the State Department (om
the theory that if the purpose was legitimate there would be
some report sent to the State Department, but if it was not,
there would not be) was not answered until early in the Bush
Administration, and then provided no confirmation of this
Sept 16-22 CIA delays interviewing survivors from Bengazi who would
contradict their sooper sekrit intelligence. Eventually
begins doing it slowly, and they gradually revise their
assessment, without, however, walking back the cat. (using
the more old-fashioned meaning of the phrase)
No Sammy, the apology came before the protest, which was more likely occasioned by the AQ tape,narciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:19 am
I don't think Hillary is faking illness. I think her assassin screwed up.CrustyB (69f730) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:20 am
Sammy… what the hell, dude. Give us a link, not ten feet of text.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:24 am
It's from the Senate report on Benghazi, which is adequate to the purposes,narciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:30 am
at first propaganda whore don lemon reported she felt dizzy so she went to hospital
but then he decided hoochie had herself some deep vein thrombosis in her leg
does thrombosis in your leg cause dizziness?
the foxenfriends say it mostly just feels like a charlie horse if you feel anything at allhappyfeet (e0d3f6) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:45 am
Clinton. You can get intracranial (sp?) blood clots from a fall; usually now these are surgically removed if they are large, small ones are watched in the hope they'll go away. My guess is that it's a blood clot in her leg, she's had that before, and it's prone to repeat.
Newtown. Bizarre mistakes are often made in the first day or two. There were some doozies.htom (412a17) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:46 am
why does everything always have to be so opaque with herhappyfeet (e0d3f6) — 12/31/2012 @ 10:00 am
Sammy… what the hell, dude. Give us a link, not ten feet of text.
But then you might not read it.
Oh, wait…Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 12/31/2012 @ 10:16 am
So, seeing as how we are giving up on the Constitution, how long before the NY Times suggests that the 22nd Amendment should be repealed? Or ignored?Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 12/31/2012 @ 10:18 am
I think they're too aware of the massive number of guns in America to propose ignoring the 22nd Amendment at this particular juncture.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 10:34 am
I have just watched President Barack Obama address the fiscal cliff negotiations before a friendly and highly partisan crowd. What a small, disrepectful, uninspirational, petty, non-truth telling man he is. I urge you to find a video and watch for yourselves if you did not see it live.elissa (78f8c6) — 12/31/2012 @ 10:58 am
Well that worked out well;
http://freebeacon.com/the-ansar-al-sharia-threat/narciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 11:02 am
More violence advocated by gun control activists. Is there any reason not to consider the threat of unconstitutional attacks on gun owners perfect justification for stocking up on arms and ammunition? Molon labe, dude, its not just for Spartans.SPQR (768505) — 12/31/2012 @ 11:56 am
John Roberts already gave up on the constitution the rest of us don't really get a votehappyfeet (0e7893) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:05 pm
Elissa – A-freakin-menJD (78d90b) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:23 pm
Treating Hillary's clot:
An enema would be indicated!askeptic (2bb434) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:29 pm
This is the gist of it;
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/in-your-face-republicans/narciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:32 pm
Comment by Arch (0baa7b) — 12/31/2012 @ 8:05 am
Someone needs to slog through the 27 autopsy reports to see the coronor's determination of death.
A GSW from either a 9mm (Sig) or 10mm (Glock) pistol will be quite different than that of a 5.56/.223 round.
Have the coronor's reports been made public yet?
The "ban it" mentality really is a slippery slope.SPQR (768505) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:39 pm
I've got a bunch of .223 ammo on order, but the pipeline is not being cooperative.
Good thing I stocked up on a substantial supply of 7.62NATO.
The Big-Dog shall roar!askeptic (2bb434) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:41 pm
she can probably pick one of them up at the walmart and do it at home instead of running up her hospital billhappyfeet (0e7893) — 12/31/2012 @ 12:45 pm
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 9:19 am
No Sammy, the apology came before the protest,
I know that was earlier in the day, and later on, after the embassy had been breached and the (Al Qaeda?) flag run up whoever was managing the Twitter account for the embassy said they stood by what they said (not so much an apology as a protestation of innocence and repudiation of the video, which however amounts to an apology for freedom of religion here) And that stood as the U.S. government position as far as anybody knew
And there was no statement coming out of Washington, and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney decided to issue a statement, but embargoed it for midnight, so that he wouldn't be making any political statements on September 11th, but, possibly because they heard about it, the State Department rushed out a statement after 10 PM and so Mitt Romney lifted the embargo. They had been busy with Benghazi since 3:40 pm but it didn't hit the news.
I was never clear at what stage the statement by the Cairo embassy was issued – I know it was before the embassy was stormed.
which was more likely occasioned by the AQ tape,
The apology was occasioned by the al Qaeda tape? The al Qaeda tape (you mean the Al Faroq? some kind of TV) said nothing about the video.
There were also two Al Qaeda videos, one on Sept 10, and one on Sept 11th.
The Muhammed video had been broadcast on Egyptian TV on Sept 9 I understand.
Somewhere they must have been told at the embassy there was going to be a big demonstration about the video. Was there even a scintillas of truth about that? And if so, what was the scintilla?Sammy Finkelman (ce04e1) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:20 pm
44. One thing that's been made public is that all the childen who died – not necessarily saying so for the teachers – had at least 3 bullet wounds.
There was at least one person who worked for the school who was wounded but not killed. She crawled back into the principal's office.Sammy Finkelman (ce04e1) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:23 pm
37. Can you get a transcript? I think maybe the White House might issue one.Sammy Finkelman (ce04e1) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:24 pm
Paragraph poster, was that a novel?mg (31009b) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:29 pm
Sammy, instead of posting walls-of-text, spend some time looking for that transcript you desire.askeptic (2bb434) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:34 pm
happyfeet, I must say that I am offended – offended, sir – that you would use a word like "hoochie" when referring to our esteemed Secretary of State. OFFENDED, sir. Why, after all the stick you got for using the exact same word to describe Sarah Palin. I'm sure the objections are right on the verge of pouring in, by the way – just you wait!
Offended, sir. Irked, even.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:45 pm
Hill's moral character would have a lot more defenders if her history didn't include enabling Bill and blaming it all on the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"!askeptic (2bb434) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:48 pm
Leviticus, we've not established just what happyfeet thinks "hoochie" means …SPQR (768505) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:55 pm
Well, recalling the whole Palin dust-up, I am nonetheless offended, sir.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:58 pm
Your standards seem very flexible.askeptic (2bb434) — 12/31/2012 @ 1:59 pm
I'm pretty sure happyfeet used "hoochie" for Palin too.SPQR (768505) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:02 pm
He's used that term to indict almost every female in public life.
It's almost like the Boy Who Cried Wolfe.
Or, calling someone a Racist.
At some point, it just becomes background noise.
I'd bet that happyfeet has called me "hoochie" …SPQR (768505) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:10 pm
Oh my God. YES. I KNOW. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
Everybody got their feathers all ruffled up when happyfeet called Palin a "hoochie." I don't see anyone expending the same indignation defending Clinton.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:15 pm
I welcome happyfeets's's's sort of equal-opportunity contempt, by the way. I think it's exactly what this country's politics need. Respect for people of all political stripes, contempt for politicians of all political stripes.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:17 pm
Well, it's different see because we don't really like Clinton.Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:17 pm
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them… well, I have others. – Groucho MarxTillman (51d7aa) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:20 pm
Every woman who comments on this blog (and many of the males) has asked potty mouth feets to cool it with the whore and the hoochie words numerous times. He ignored those entreaties to change which therefore suggests he just does it for the attention and/or because such words give him a boner when he writes them. People can choose to be "offended", or they can consider the source and decide to roll their eyes and ignore it. My advice is to take the latter approach.elissa (78f8c6) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:28 pm
It's sometimes easy to forget just what a prick this president is.Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:34 pm
Hillary's problem is she would be honest before congress. She has been all along.
For some values of "all along". She wasn't very honest with Congress about the Rose Law Firm billing records, now was she?Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:39 pm
both dem hoochies, what they do is, they look out for #1 … and politics is just a means to that end for these ones
but they have lots of companyhappyfeet (0e7893) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:41 pm
Or her affinity for the Yankees, about which a small book was written. V entertaining, too.Gazzer (4c4ae2) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:41 pm
here is the song Mr. SPQR
m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=TCZF640bVco&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTCZF640bVcohappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:46 pm
#25. Sammy, you have got a problemMilhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:47 pm
Were you similarly offended when Steve57 called Sandra Fluke a skank and a slut?Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:53 pm
I'm sorry: I mean, did you "consider the source" and decide to say nothing then, too?Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:54 pm
Sandra Fluke is famous entirely because someone called her names
it's a crazy worldhappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 2:55 pm
YupLeviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:03 pm
I don't understand why it's so impossible for Team R to coordinate a message about the fiscal cliff thingy
it's really worrisome in what that revealshappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:05 pm
meanwhile democrats and their propaganda whores are making damn sure every american is exposed to the phrase "House Republicans" in a derisive context at a frequency of about 3+ times per hour of media exposurehappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:13 pm
Leviticus–please let it go. You appear to be determined to pick fights today. With pretty much everybody. I said all I had to say up in #65. In my opinion, people who spend their lives barking and pontificating, or conversely feeling perpetually "offended", by what total strangers say, are kind of sad to watch.
Happy New Year one and all.elissa (78f8c6) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:16 pm
Fine. Happy New Year, elissa.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:19 pm
that diner in Valley Girl is still there
Dupar's… It's in Studio City on ventura
It's a guilty pleasure cause of how good their pancakes are but usually I just take people who are visiting… The pancakes are a lifestyle choice is how good they arehappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:33 pm
The "ban it" mentality really is a slippery slope.
BTW the article is more than 7 years old.
And maybe Hillary is a hoochie, so there's no need to object to feets calling her one. I don't know, because I'm not quite sure what a "hoochie" is. I just know it's an insult, and therefore I get offended when he calls Palin one, because she doesn't deserve insults. The Wicked Witch of Westchester (formerly known as Lady Macbeth) certainly deserves many insults; perhaps "hoochie" is one of them.Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:41 pm
This isn't much help.Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:43 pm
Hahahahaha… well, you're a smart guy, Milhouse. Why don't you look it up, then tell us (definitively and indisputably, of course) whether or not the term properly applies to Hillary Clinton.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:44 pm
Whoops. Good, you already took that upon yourself.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:45 pm
Were you similarly offended when Steve57 called Sandra Fluke a skank and a slut?
No, because she is one. Probably not a literal slut, but certainly a metaphorical one. That was Limbaugh's mistake, confusing the two.Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:45 pm
Try Urban Dictionary.Leviticus (17b7a5) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:45 pm
there's a helpful song at #70 Mr. Milhouse…
I will try and link it more better herehappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:47 pm
failhappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:47 pm
Maybe this works, the Slate music reviewers are totally clueless,what else is new,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NKUpo_xKyQnarciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:51 pm
Ah, see from the song I'd assume that "hoochie mama" is the inhabitant of a hooch in the 3rd sense given, or perhaps, by a sort of fusion of that meaning of "hooch" with this one, it might mean the proprietress of a shebeen.Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:56 pm
I love her more than beans Mr. narciso have you heard her new one?happyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 3:56 pm
Get Well GHWB.
Get serious Lady Pant Dress.
a hoochie mama is distinct from a respectable woman is the key thing Mr. Milhouse… cause of she made bad choiceshappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:01 pm
Cnn is saying Hillary has a clot in her brain areahappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:04 pm
it doesn't seem super serious reallyhappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:05 pm
Ah, but I wouldn't think to associate "hoochie" with "hoochie mama", because surely in that phrase the woman so described is a "mama" (in some sense) of a "hoochie", which would be some sort of location. No?Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:07 pm
It can't be super-serious or it might interfere with 2016. That can't be allowed.Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:08 pm
hoochie is just short for hoochie mama
they're the same thinghappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:09 pm
I mean a "welfare queen" isn't a "welfare". And a "disco queen" isn't a "disco".Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:11 pm
neverthelesshappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:20 pm
This can't possibly go wrong;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20877983narciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 4:28 pm
Patterico's Pontifications is listed in my upcoming blog post "What Didn't Suck About 2012." In the meantime, check in and take a look around.
BTW: Thanks again, JD, for your kind words and support.L.N. Smithee (ff9043) — 12/31/2012 @ 5:00 pm
My point was not that it was or was not acceptable to call either Palin or Clinton "hoochie". My point was that its pretty clear that the word has one meaning for happyfeet and a different one for the rest of the world. And not necessarily a consistent one for happyfeet.SPQR (768505) — 12/31/2012 @ 5:05 pm
When I was in high school in the late 70s I remember many intense conversations with friends of the Southern Babtist persuasion who were very knowledgeable about the book of Revelations and all it predicted about the coming Apocalypse.
Not being a Believer myself, all it did was sort-of scare me, but one thing I do remember is that they were totally certain that the Anti-Christ would become the President after suffering some sort of head wound.
I can't help but wonder if my old high school chums and their co-coreligionist are checking off "head-wound" on their Spot-The-AntiChrist Bingo cards.Pious Agnostic (20c167) — 12/31/2012 @ 5:16 pm
#9 Comment by Kevin M
All magazines I have seen are either stamped steel that is crimped / spot welded together with channels on the bottom so the bottom plate can be removed for cleaning ect.. Or made from plastic with a removable bottom plate.
I am being technical here, but milling a magazine is just beyond crazy. First off it would take forever to whittle that large steel, aluminum etc.. billet down to size. It would be the most expensive ammo mag in the world though. I am not saying it can't be done, I am saying it would take a ton of work and a ton more work after that.
I am sure the world market would keep the US supplied with underground magazines that cost far less then making our own.
Other than that, your comment is spot on.MSL (5f601f) — 12/31/2012 @ 5:22 pm
I saw Bowie's American debut at the Santa Monica Civic in 1972. Great show. All Spiders from Mars.
Comment by AZ Bob (28c32d)
LOL… I wasn't that quick, but did catch him at the Long Beach Arena in March of '73. Such a unique experience… great show and weird peeps… I remember some male fan wearing a speedo and painted head to toe in gold paint.Colonel Haiku (7faf9d) — 12/31/2012 @ 5:30 pm
Fluke me runnin'… fluke me to tears… enuf about that moron, already.Colonel Haiku (7faf9d) — 12/31/2012 @ 5:32 pm
We have had this problem one way or another since 1999.
How do you say the year?
Is it:
A. Two-thousand and Twelve
B. Two Thousand Twelve
C. Twenty Twelve
D. Nineteen One Hundred and Twelve
E. Nineteen One Twelve.
If it changes depending on the year, at what year do you….
1) drop the "and"
2) change from Two thousand to Twenty?Sammy Finkelman (0e1021) — 12/31/2012 @ 6:26 pm
78. Happy New Year.
There, all the optimism I can muster for the end of a fairly crappy year only to see in a fouler one.gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/31/2012 @ 6:36 pm
37. Comment by elissa (78f8c6) — 12/31/2012 @ 10:58 am = 1:58 PM EST
I have just watched President Barack Obama address the fiscal cliff negotiations before a friendly and highly partisan crowd. What a small, disrepectful, uninspirational, petty, non-truth telling man he is. I urge you to find a video and watch for yourselves if you did not see it live.
I think this is the transcript:
Remarks by the President on the Fiscal Cliff Negotiations 1:45 P.M> Dec 31, 2012
This part might make news
Sammy Finkelman (0e1021) — 12/31/2012 @ 6:52 pm
….my principle has always been let's do things in a balanced, responsible way. And that means that revenues have to be part of the equation in turning off the sequester, in eliminating these automatic spending cuts, as well as spending cuts.
Now, the same is true for any future deficit agreement…..For example, I'm willing to reduce our government's Medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the cost of health care in this country. That's something that we all should agree on….But that kind of reform has to go hand-in-hand with doing some more work to reform our tax code so that wealthy individuals, the biggest corporations can't take advantage of loopholes and deductions that aren't available to most of the folks standing up here — aren't available to most Americans. So there's still more work to be done in the tax code to make it fairer…..
Now, if Republicans think that I will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone — and you hear that sometimes coming from them, that sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down — well — (laughter) — shove spending cuts at us that will hurt seniors, or hurt students, or hurt middle-class families, without asking also equivalent sacrifice from millionaires or companies with a lot of lobbyists, et cetera — if they think that's going to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. That's not how it's going to work….
…..for now, our most immediate priority is to stop taxes going up for middle-class families, starting tomorrow. I think that is a modest goal that we can accomplish…..
some random propaganda slut on cnn talking to a very lifelike blitzersaurus keeps assuring us that obama would never ever ever want to say or do anything to derail this deal
i don't know what she's basing that onhappyfeet (ae1213) — 12/31/2012 @ 6:59 pm
'Drinking heavily' possibly at the Sawyer level,narciso (3fec35) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:02 pm
Just observing from afar, I'd hazard Mr. Palin and Mr. Bachmann seem very happily married with large, handsome, reasonably happy families.
Doubt those ladies give a rip what we think of them.gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:05 pm
I don't think Obama's statement makes the situation much worse. He just announced that stopping the sequester and all other negotiations will be a big problem. It might be he announced it because he thinks announcing it now will make it a littler problem later.
If Senator Mitch McConnell was advising Republicans to just get rid of the tax question – pass a bill to maintain income taxes at their current level for those reporting an annual income below $250,000, no make that $400,000 or even $500,000 – whatever you think the president will sign – and the rest will be easier, he's telling them no. He intends to take a tough line.
However, this could also be seen as a willingness to compromise. Maybe he'll sign something leaving the dividing point at $500,000 but he wants to say he wants to go lower. If so, he's practically made it mandatory that the bill has to leave in reserve some taxes to raise.
Obama sounds like he wants the limits on deductions – which Republicans hope(d) to trade for lower tax rates.Sammy Finkelman (0e1021) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:09 pm
at what year do you….
1) drop the "and"
2) change from Two thousand to Twenty?
In Twenty Oh-One. Even I didn't say "Twenty Hundred".Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:11 pm
So far nobody's even talking about cutting spending, by even one lousy dollar. Until they do, they're not serious and there's no reason to give them anything.Milhouse (15b6fd) — 12/31/2012 @ 7:14 pm
All these people in Washington (in Congress anyway) think going over the Fiscal Cliff will cause a recession.
They are all Keynesians now, as Richard Nixon said in 1969 I think. (he said we)Sammy Finkelman (0e1021) — 12/31/2012 @ 8:52 pm
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We already know the identity of the winner in the bitter race between Congressman Howard Berman and Congressman Brad Sherman.
The winner's name is Brandon Hall.
Berman recently hired Hall, a political strategist with a history of rough negative attacks. And already, we're seeing more personal attacks in the race, as well as finger-pointing about who is taking this contest into the realm of nastiness.
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News from around the country and around the globe
People, even people who are political consultants, should be held responsible for their actions.
But the sad state of the Berman-Sherman race can't be blamed on Hall and his fellow strategists. This sort of nasty race is precisely what California's election reformers decided to give us when they pushed through reform of the redistricting process and the establishment of the "top two" election system.
Reformers, of course, touted these changes as methods for increasing civic engagement and encouraging compromise and more moderate politicians.
But that's not how these things work in practice.
With California's political geography, with a heavily Democratic coast and a heavily Republican inland area, the real effect of these reforms was clearly going to be to set more politicians of the same party and same region against each other.
Redistricting reform, by taking the drawing of lines out of the hands of politicians and giving the duty to a citizens' commission, increased the chances that established politicians of the same party would do battle over the same district.
That's what we're seeing with Berman and Sherman, incumbent congressmen drawn into the same district.
And top two was designed to create more general elections in which two candidates of the same party would face each other.
This was the goal of the reform -- on the theory that two Democrats facing each other in a general election would be more inclined to compromise and moderate views, because they'd have to win over independent and Republican voters.
Dan Schnur, a longtime political consultant who now directs the Unruh Institute at USC (full disclosure: he and I will be debating this subject on Aug. 2 in Sacramento), has argued that this system is good because it encourages candidates to talk to more voters and people with whom they do not agree.
In practice, those candidates won't talk to voters. They'll scream at them, and the screaming will be personal negative attacks.
That's the dynamic of Berman and Sherman. Both men are Democrats who don't want to step away from Democratic positions for fear of alienating Democratic voters. So the way to differentiate themselves is to go negative.
This new dynamic is not helpful to candidates, to voters, or to the quality of dialogue and discussion.
Which is not to say there are no winners in this new system.
Indeed, one clear winner is Brandon Hall, who will never have a hard time finding work in California's "reformed" system.
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2016 poll: Christie 43, Clinton 42
A new poll finds former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie virtually tied in a potential 2016 matchup.
Christie takes 43 percent in the Quinnipiac poll, compared with 42 percent for Clinton. Christie's strength comes in part from his strong showing among independents: He leads among the group by 16 points, 48 percent to 32 percent. He also leads among men and white voters, and comes within 12 points of Clinton among Hispanic voters — far above 2012 GOP candidate Mitt Romney's performance with that demographic. Clinton's strength is with women (she leads 48 percent to 39 percent) and among black voters (77 percent to 12 percent).
Clinton has big leads against other possible GOP presidential contenders. She leads both Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) by 9 points, 49 percent to 40 percent, and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) by 15 points, 51 percent to 36 percent.
The poll also found that voters are split over which party they'd prefer to vote for in their own congressional district: Democrats and Republicans each take 39 percent. That's a big change from early last month when Quinnipiac found Democrats leading Republicans by 9 points in the generic ballot test, 43 percent to 34 percent.
Still, voters disapprove of congressional Republicans at higher rates than they do of congressional Democrats: voters disapprove of Republicans more than they approve by a 53 point margin (73 percent to 20 percent), compared with a 32 point margin (62 percent to 30 percent) for Democrats.
The poll surveyed 2,545 registered voters from Nov. 6-11, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.9 percent.


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Cook the Book: Braised Duck with Niçoise Olives and Rosemary
"The duck was so ridiculously tender, we could have eaten it with a spoon."
Duck doesn't make its way into my kitchen too often, and when it does I get nervous. I'll happily order it out but have never had much success with it in my own kitchen. But now that the weather is cold, I'm in the mood for a braise and decided to try my luck with this Braised Duck with Niçoise Olives and Rosemary from Salt to Taste by Marco Canora.
As it turns out, duck legs are much more forgiving than searing breasts or roasting the whole bird. The duck browned in a hot pan, causing the flavorful fat to render out and infuse the other ingredients with all its ducky goodness. A nicely browned mirepoix, red wine, salty Niçoise olives and plenty of rosemary are responsible for the rest of the seasoning. It's finished in the oven so the duck can braise to falling-off-the-bone doneness.
The duck was so ridiculously tender, we could have eaten it with a spoon. The braising liquid that pooled in our plates added a wonderful meaty element to the winter farro salad I served alongside it.
Perfect winter braise accomplished. Fear of cooking duck banished.
It was one of the best cold weather meals I've made this year.
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As always with our Cook the Book feature, we have five (5) copies of Salt to Taste to give away this week.
- Yield:4
- 8 duck legs
- Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper
- About 2 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil
- 1 medium onion, peeled and minced
- 1 carrot, peeled and minced
- 2 celery stalks, minced
- 1 tablespoon tomato paste
- 2 fresh rosemary sprigs, leaves picked
- 1 cup dry red wine
- 1⁄2 cup pitted Nicoise olives
- About 4 cups chicken broth
Preheat the oven to 325°F. Season the duck with salt and pepper.
Heat a skim of oil, about 2 tablespoons, over medium-high heat in an ovenproof skillet large enough to hold the duck in a snug single layer. Working in batches, brown the duck legs, skin side down, about 7 minutes. Flip them and then brown the other side, about 4 minutes more. Reserve the browned duck legs on a plate.
Discard most of the oil, leaving just enough to coat the bottom of the skillet. Add the onion, carrot, and celery. Fry the vegetables, stirring frequently and
adjusting the heat if necessary to prevent burning, until they soften and
become a richly caramelized brown, about 12 minutes.
Add the tomato paste and rosemary and cook, stirring frequently, until it concentrates and darkens, about 5 minutes. Deglaze the pan with wine, scraping the bottom with a spoon.
Return the duck to the pan, skin side down, adding any juices that have accumulated on the plate. Add the olives and enough broth to barely cover.
ring the broth to a simmer, then transfer the uncovered pan to the oven. Braise the duck in the oven, checking to make sure the liquid is simmering
very gently. After 45 minutes, turn the legs over and continue cooking, basting
the duck with the braising liquid every 10 minutes until the meat is beginning
to shrink from the bone, about 45 minutes more.
Spoon off and discard any fat that floats on the surface of the braising liquid. Adjust the seasoning with salt and pepper and serve in warm shallow bowls.
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Junior Jacy Christiansen (middle) was Liberty's top finisher at Saturday's ISU Pre-National Invitational, placing 49th in the women's 6K white race.
Junior Jacy Christiansen placed 49th in the women's 6K white race, highlighting Liberty's performance at Saturday's ISU Pre-National Invitational at the LaVern Gibson Championship Cross Country Course. Meanwhile, Josh MacDonald's 109th-place finish made him the top Flame in the men's 8K blue race. The Lady Flames scored 666 points, placing 31st of 35 teams in the white race. California edged Virginia Tech for the team title, scoring 105 points to the Hokies' 107. In the men's blue race, Liberty finished 37th out of 52 squads, all of which appear in the most recent regional rankings. The Flames totaled 849 points while putting three runners under 25 minutes for the rolling 8K course. No. 2 Colorado took home the team championship with 90 points, while No. 4 Oregon was the runner-up with 113 tallies.
Women's 6K White Race Recap Christiansen completed the course in 22:01.91, shaving 36 seconds off of her previous 6K personal best for 49th place out of 227 entrants. She was the top Big South finisher on the day, outdistancing Campbell's Samantha Robbins by 14 seconds and 14 places. Freshman Jessie Proehl ran well in her 6K debut, clocking a time of 22:49.24 for 105th place. Fellow freshman Chelsea Page followed in the 154th spot, crossing the line in 23:21.38. Competing in her first cross country race of the 2013 season, redshirt senior Lyndi Fielitz lopped 1:15 off of her previous best 6K time. Her 23:43.10 effort earned a 181st-place finish. Senior Katie Russo finished nearly simultaneously with her teammate, clocking a 23:43.15 for 182nd place. Freshmen Kat Bouton (206th place, 24:18.46) and Alexis Taylor (210th place, 24:31.25) rounded out the Lady Flames' seven competitors.
Men's 8K Blue Race Recap For the second straight race, MacDonald served as the Flames' No. 1 runner. The California native raced to 109th place of 359 competitors in an 8K time of 24:41.51. Senior Caleb Edmonds followed in 132nd place, posting a 24:49.42. Sophomore Jeremie Bourget was Liberty's third sub-25:00 performer, ending up at 24:59.26 and in 158th place. Zach Barker was Liberty's fourth finisher on the day, covering the course in 25:16.15 for the 218th position. Sophomore Sam Hibbs closed out the Flames' scorers with a 232nd-place showing in 25:20.44. Ngetich Kipchirchir was 263rd in 25:35.63, while Jarred Cornfield came in 309th with a 26:04.85 clocking.
Liberty will take next weekend off from competition before returning to action on Nov. 2 at the Big South Cross Country Championships in Buena Vista, Va. The meet at the Vista Links Golf Course will begin with the men's 8K championship at 10:30 a.m. and wrap up with the women's 5K championship at 11:30. Both the Flames and Lady Flames are the defending Big South champions.


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The Boston Globe: Ballots are fodder for social media updates, a photo by stevegarfield on Flickr.
I'm in the Boston Globe today, talking about how social media sharing now includes information on how we voted.
As with all else in a social mediasoaked age, people are growing less private about their ballots:
"When Steve Garfield tries a new beer or goes to a concert, he automatically posts his opinions on social media. So after he voted, he naturally shared his secret ballot with his 2,382 Facebook friends. ""I didn't even think of it as anything to think about," said Garfield, an independent media producer from Jamaica Plain and an Obama supporter.Anyone who was following me on social media already knew that I was going to vote for Barack Obama, so it wasn't like it was a big unveiling of a huge secret. ;-)
In fact, after I voted, I just shared a bunch of photos of the "I Voted" sticker, stuck on things, like beer, wine, and a ketchup bottle.
Image: Instagram #IVOTED
#nytelection I Voted. #beer #cheers instagr.am/p/RtAyACBCi9/— Steve Garfield (@stevegarfield) November 6, 2012
Also part of the interview, but not printed in the paper were my thoughts on how social sharing of political views brought me closer to friends and family.
For people with similar political views, it was fun to share, and see what what was shared. I also enjoyed reading and responding to posts on twitter, facebook and Google+.
I found that Facebook was the social media outpost where there was the least confrontations. That's most likely because over there, I actually knew most of hte people that I was talking with.
Check this funny example: Tweet - I'm moving to Australia
Over on Google+, many of the people who were responding to my posts, were followers. People who follow me on the site, but who I don't know well. Some of those people agreed with me and others didn't. Some of those that didn't agree seemed like they were from another planet. Luckily, others jumped in to respond.
Check this example: Mitt Romney changing his tune in final hours
How was your experience during #election2012 sharing on social media?
To be accurate, I have 551 Public Subscribers and 2,382 Friend Subscribers.
So it would have been more accurate to have said, "his 2,933 Facebook friends and subscribers" instead of "his 2,379 Facebook friends"
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Letter from the Editor
Let's get one thing clear: I have no problem recognising that people - and interpreters are clearly people - work to make money. In fact, I think it is so evident that it doesn't need repeating. I prefer to take the proposition a step further: interpreters are often underpaid.


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Norwegian Speakers with a passion for helping others – who are well in the know when it comes to MS Office and is a typing master with up to 35+ words per minute. How does working in Belfast for a client of ours who just received a new project within the food/beverage industry? This could be your next exciting step abroad. In terms of Salary you can expect to earn £15,000 gross per annum.
What will you do in this job?
As part of this new Norwegian Customer Service team here in Belfast it will you job to answer all incoming calls and emails from customers with any issues and queries - with such task you will need to follow supplied scripts in order to ensure the customer is fully satisfied. You will also need to document and log all issues you encounter in the CRM system after you have fully descriptive to resolve any issues customers have. Not forgetting to keep yourself fully up to date on all of the products and services that this particular project has so that you can always supply the most accurate information.
Who will you be working for?
Our client nearly 15 years established now employing over 600 employees in the UK and Northern Ireland is a technology and services provider. With this particular client looking for a number language speakers they are currently looking for a Norwegian speaker to fill the position of customer service representative.
With quirky benefits offered such as a weekly snack and getting you birthday off of work this client know how to treat their employees well.
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For this Customer Service Job we are looking for you to have a near native level of Norwegian and a good level of English as you will need to have excellent communication skills in both languages to help customers via phone and email. You will need to have some prior experience in the customer service industry (customer service experience in food & beverage industry would be a plus for your application). You have excellent MS Office skills and you are a typing master (can type 35+ WPM). You are customer oriented and like to help others.
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Belfast is where you will be working, Belfast is in Northern Ireland a city bursting with life, where the local are great craic (fun), there are plenty of bars and restaurant's to socialise and you will always have amazing things to do and see with the likes of Giants Causeway, the Titanic Museum and its beautiful views.
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The interview process for this customer service job is 3 fold, you will be invited for a quick phone screen, then an online email assessment and lastly a phone interview making it great for those who live abroad, you don't have to fly over for an interview.
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Showtime has given a 12-episode series order to high-finance drama "Billions," starring Damian Lewis and Paul Giamatti.
Series revolves around politics and power in the world of Wall Street and New York investment firms. "Billions" was created by screenwriters Brian Koppleman and David Levien and author/New York Times columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin, who all exec produce.
Production is set to begin later this year in New York for a 2016 debut.
Giamatti plays a hard-driving U.S. attorney who clashes with a hedge fund titan played by Lewis. Maggie Siff, Malin Akerman, Toby Leonard Moore, David Costabile and Condola Rashad also star. The pilot was helmed by Neil Burger, who is also an exec producer.
Great casting, especially the two leads.
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Flames go 5-1 to finish third at NCWA National Duals
January 26, 2014 | Dalton, Ga.
Competing against Mid-Atlantic Conference rival The Apprentice School in Saturday's consolation final of the National Collegiate Wrestling Association (NCWA) National Duals, Liberty University's wrestling team racked up five pins and two forfeit wins in a 48-12 dismantling of the Builders.
The Flames captured third place in the tournament, held in the Northwest Georgia Trade and Convention Center in Dalton, Ga., after finishing first in 2012 and second last season. Liberty picked up 22 bonus points toward its total for the March 13-16 NCWA National Championships in Allen, Texas, where it will seek to improve on its third-place showings from the past two seasons.
In Saturday's third-place bout, after Liberty senior Jeremy Beale was decked by Apprentice's Jacob Michael in the 125-pound opener, freshman 133-pounder Jacob Paull got the pins falling the right way for the Flames by leveling Derek Burhenn in 2 minutes, 10 seconds.
At 141, Liberty freshman Ryan Diehl—who had an incredible weekend with four pins, a technical fall, and a forfeit win for a 6-0 record—bumped up from 133 and stuck Tyrell Watkins on his back in 4:49.
Freshman 165-pounder Josh Ferenczy, senior 174-pounder Josh Sturgill, and freshman 184-pounder Matt Reynolds later strung together consecutive falls of Sterling Briscoe, Philip Porto, and CW Sorey in 2:23, 3:23, and 4:09, respectively.
The Flames opened Saturday's competition with a 40-8 triumph over Mott (Mich.) Community College. Liberty lost a decision at 125 pounds and by fall at heavyweight, but won the nine matches in between.
Diehl started the streak by recording the first of the Flames' four technical falls, by a 22-4 count over Todd Melick at 133. After back-to-back decisions by senior Colin Lewis at 141 and sophomore Josh Sanders at 149, 157-pound junior Chase Boontjer dominated Zach Corcoran 18-2. Then, following consecutive pins by Ferenczy over Christian O'Guinn in 3:50 at 165 and Sturgill over Booker Brancheau in 4:49 at 174, Reynolds (184) and 197-pound senior Aaron Thompson shut out their opponents: Casimer Gusdziol (17-0) and Taquayon Pendleton (13-0), respectively.
In the semifinals, the Flames' four-match winning streak in the tournament was snapped by fifth-seeded Shorter University, 23-16. The Hawks, who are transitioning from NCWA to NCAA Division II, then lost an even tighter 23-19 decision to NCAA DI Grand Canyon University in the championship final.
Against Liberty, Shorter overcame an early 12-6 deficit by winning five of the final six bouts, all but Thompson's 14-5 major decision of John Hoyt at 197. Diehl landed the only pin of the match, decking Jesse Jones in 2:32 at 133 before Lewis and Boontjer scored Liberty's two decisions at 141 and 157.
Complete results from the weekend's dual matches are available online.


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Suborder: Haplorrhini
Infraorder: Simiiformes
Superfamily: Cercopithecoidea
Family: Cercopithecidae
Subfamily: Cercopithecinae
Genus: Theropithecus
Species: T. gelada
Subspecies: T. g. gelada, T. g. obscurus
Other names: gelada baboon; gelada (French); gelada (Swedish); T. g. gelada:
common gelada, northern gelada, western gelada; T. g. obscurus: dusky gelada,
eastern gelada, Heuglin's gelada, southern gelada.
The gelada is the sole survivor of the genus Theropithecus, which
formerly included several extinct species which were widespread and successful,
found over much of Africa and into India (see Delson 1993 & Jablonski 1993;
Pickford 1993; Dunbar 1998).
Geladas are large, stocky primates with dark brown to buff coarse pelage and
with dark brown faces and lighter, pale eyelids. The tail is shorter than the
body and head and has a tuft at the end (Napier 1981; Ankel-Simons 2007). The
forearms and extremities are almost black (Napier & Napier 1967). In adult
males, a long, heavy, cape of hair is present on the back (Napier 1981;
Ankel-Simons 2007). Between subspecies, T. g. gelada usually has
predominantly pale brown to dark brown pelage, while T. g. obscurus is
darker, ranging from dark brown to almost black (Yalden et al. 1977). The face
has no hair, and is shorter and higher than in other baboons. In addition, the
snout is more chimp-like than baboon-like (Ankel-Simons 2007). Most
characteristic of geladas is the hairless hourglass-shaped pink or red area of
skin located on the chest (Napier 1981; Ankel-Simons 2007). In females, this
skin patch is surrounded by pearl-like knobs of skin. Geladas have pronounced
ischial callosities (Ankel-Simons 2007). On average, males are larger than
females and marked sexual dimorphism is characteristic of the species, with
females averaging around two-thirds the size of males (Krentz 1993; Jolly 2007).
Females average around 11 kg (24.3 lb) while males weigh 18.5 kg (40.8 lb)
(data compiled by Jolly 2007). Head and body lengths of the sexes combined
range between 50 and 75 cm (19.7 and 29.5 in) and the tail is between 30 and 50
cm (11.8 and 19.7in) long (Ankel-Simons 2007). The species has highly opposable
index fingers and thumbs, the most so of any of the primates (Napier 1981). In
addition, its fingers are short and substantially built, allowing them to be
used efficiently for digging (Dunbar 1976). Geladas have specialized dentition
adapted for their highly graminivorous diet, which is highly abrasive to teeth
(Jablonski 1994).
In captivity, geladas have lived into their thirties but the estimated wild
life expectancy is less than 14 years (Dunbar 1980a; Weigl 2005).
Geladas are one of the most terrestrial of the non-human primates, and are
best described as nearly completely terrestrial quadrupeds with specialized
morphological adaptations for feeding and moving on the ground (Dunbar 1983b;
1986; Krentz 1993). As a result of its adaptations, feeding occurs on the
ground, with only extremely rare excursions into bushes to access food (Dunbar
1977b). The typical feeding posture and associated locomotion (shuffle gait) is
unique to the gelada, and occurs in a sitting position (Dunbar 1977b; 1983).
During this type of feeding locomotion, the animal squats, feeds, and shuffles
forward bipedally without changing its posture allowing near-continuous foraging
and consumption (Wrangham 1980; Dunbar 1983b). Movement of this type occurs
frequently throughout the day but usually only over distances of less than one
meter. As a result, due to high proportions of time spent feeding, the bipedal
shuffle gait can comprise up to a third of the daily locomotor behavior
(Wrangham 1980).
Geladas are found only in Ethiopia, on the Ethiopian plateau predominantly
south of the Tacazze River, north of the Awash River, and east of the Blue Nile
River (Dunbar 1993a; Oates 1996). However, a population was found a significant
distance from other populations further south along the upper Wabi-Shebeli River, in
the Arusi Region (Mori & Belay 1990). In many places, the distribution is
discontinuous and the species occurs only very near cliffs and gorges (Dunbar
1993a). Between subspecies, T. g. obscurus is found in the south of
the species range, while T. g. gelada is found in the north. They are
roughly divided by the gorges of the Belegas and upper Tacazze rivers (Yalden et
al. 1977).
The total wild population of gelada baboons is estimated at slightly less
than 250,000 individuals (Dunbar 1998).
Geladas are found in open, high plateaus along the gorges and escarpments
that dissect them, above 1500 m (4921.3 ft) up to around 4500 m (14763.8 ft)
with most populations inhabiting altitudes between 2000 and 3000 m (6561.7 and
9842.5 ft) (Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983; Dunbar 1992; 1993; Iwamoto 1993; Belay
& Shotake 1998; Jolly 2007). Gelada habitats are characterized by their
proximity to cliffs for sleeping and the use of several different types of
relatively treeless and montane grasslands for foraging, habitats that are
usually interspersed with bushes, trees and dense thickets (Dunbar 1976; Kawai
& Iwamoto 1979; Napier 1981; Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983; Iwamoto 1993; Jolly
2007). Vegetation in study areas usually consists of grasses, herbs, and bush
level vegetation. In some habitats, the weather can be harsh, as hailstorms
occur regularly in the wet season and frosts are seen in the dry season (Iwamoto
& Dunbar 1983). Because certain areas of their plateau habitat are under
human cultivation, populations often are marginalized to the areas near the
cliffs and sometimes geladas invade the intrusive cropland to forage (Iwamoto
1993). The typical pattern of habitat use is to sleep on cliffs and to climb up
to the plateaus for their daily activities, but still remain close to the cliffs
(Napier 1981; Iwamoto 1993; Jolly 2007). While usually only cliff faces and
nearby grasslands are utilized, when slopes are present in a habitat, they will
be used as well (Mori et al. 1999). Gelada habitat is generally cooler and less
arid then lowland areas which mitigates the negative effects of the dry season
on food availability (Iwamoto 1993).
On the Amhara plateau, the year can be divided into rainy (June-September)
and dry seasons with more southern habitats showing a slight second rainy season
in March and April (Iwamoto 1993). Annual rainfall in gelada habitats is
usually around 120 cm (47.2 in) but usually increases with altitude (Iwamoto
& Dunbar 1983; Iwamoto 1993). Monthly average temperatures on the Amhara
plateau range from highs around 20°C (68°F ) (March-May) to lows around
15°C (59°F) (July-September) with a general trend towards lower
temperatures as the altitude increases (Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983; Iwamoto
1993). Daily however, the temperature may vary by up to 25°C (45°F) and
can drop below freezing (Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983).
Geladas are best described as predominantly graminivorous and are genuine
grazers with over 90% of the diet being grass blades. There is a shift to
flowers and digging for rhizomes and roots and foraging for herbs when the
availability or nutritional value of available grasses changes (Dunbar &
Dunbar 1974b; Dunbar 1976; 1977; Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983; Dunbar 1984b;
Iwamoto 1993; Dunbar 1998). Geladas are the only graminivorous primate and
consume foods more akin to those eaten by ungulates, chewing food about as
efficiently as zebras (Iwamoto 1979; Dunbar & Bose 1991; Iwamoto 1993).
They eat both the leaves and seeds of grasses, in addition to herbs, flowers,
small plants, fruits, creepers, bushes, thistles, and insects (Dunbar 1976;
1977; Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983; Iwamoto 1993). Insects are only eaten rarely
and then only if they are easily attained (Iwamoto 1993). There is a variable
seasonal shift in dry season diet in which fewer grasses are consumed and other
food plants, especially herbs, are substituted. Further, when grasses are in
seed, proportionally more seeds are consumed and they are preferentially chosen
over grass blades when both are available (Dunbar 1976; Iwamoto 1993).
The night is spent on cliff faces, sleeping on ledges (Crook 1966). In the
morning around sunrise, the diurnal geladas will leave their sleeping cliffs,
ascend to the top of the plateau and immediately commence social activities and
feeding (Dunbar & Dunbar 1974b; Dunbar 1977b; Iwamoto 1993). After the
morning social interaction, feeding increases in incidence and is the main
activity for the rest of the day, sometimes punctuated by travel, until the
evening when some social activity is seen again prior to descending to the cliff
sleeping sites (Dunbar & Dunbar 1974b; Dunbar 1977b). Between several study
sites, the day is usually spent feeding (35.7-62.3%), moving (14.7-20.4%),
resting (5.2-26.3%), and in social activities (16.0-20.5%) (Iwamoto & Dunbar
1983). However, at some study locations, feeding may consist of up to 81.6% of
the time spent during the day with the remainder of the day spent mostly moving
and grooming (Kawai & Iwamoto 1979). The active period is between 11-12
hours and during the dry season, more time is spent feeding (Iwamoto 1993).
Most of the distance traveled over the course of the day is due to foraging and
as habitat altitude increases, feeding time goes up (Dunbar 1977b; Iwamoto &
Dunbar 1977; Dunbar 1992). In general between populations, as feeding goes up,
resting decreases, and relative to one another, time spent moving and in social
interactions stays about the same (Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983).
Day range varies daily and seasonally but is closely related to group size,
with animals ranging between averages of 600-2160 m (1968.5-7086.6 ft) per day
with larger groups moving longer distances (Dunbar & Dunbar 1979; Kawai
& Iwamoto 1979; Iwamoto & Dunbar 1983). Home ranges vary between about
0.78 and 3.44 km2 (0.3 and 1.3 mi2) and similarly to day range, are related to
group size, with larger groups possessing larger home ranges (Iwamoto &
Dunbar 1983).
During the rainy season, geladas feed by sitting and foraging with both hands
in turn, using their thumb and 1st digit to pick suitably green blades of grass
(Crook & Aldrich-Blake 1968; Dunbar 1977b; Iwamoto 1993). The blades are
only transferred to the mouth after 10-20 are accumulated in the hand and after
several minutes, the gelada will shuffle or walk several meters and continue
feeding (Crook & Aldrich-Blake 1968; Dunbar 1977b; Iwamoto 1993). During
the dry season, when preferred foods are often under the ground surface, geladas
will dig using both hands as shovels (Crook & Aldrich-Blake 1968; Iwamoto
Other primates with which geladas are often sympatric include baboons
(Papio sp.) and
vervet monkeys (Chlorocebus aethiops) (Crook & Aldrich-Blake 1968;
Dunbar & Dunbar 1979). They are sometimes found in association with baboons
but never with vervets. However, because of their specialized diet, they are
not in direct food competition with either of these two primate species (Dunbar
& Dunbar 1979). On the other hand, also due to their diet, geladas
potentially face competition from sympatric, non-primate herbivores, including
ibex (Capra walie), klipspringers (Oreotragus oreotragus), bushbucks
(Tragelaphus scriptus), duikers (Sylvicapra grimmia) and domesticated horses and
cattle (Dunbar 1978a).
Geladas are threatened by several potential and actual predators. These
include dogs, jackals, leopards, servals, foxes, hyenas, and lammergeyers
(Dunbar & Dunbar 1975; Ohsawa 1979; Iwamoto et al. 1996; Mori et al. 1997).
The usual response to predators is to flee to cliff faces, but in some
circumstances, males may confront a threat and have even been observed to
confront dogs and even mob and surround a leopard (Dunbar & Dunbar 1975;
Ohsawa 1979; Iwamoto et al. 1996). In general, predation pressure seems low,
likely due to the proximity of humans to many habitats (Iwamoto 1993).
Content last modified: September 3, 2008
Written by Kurt Gron. Reviewed by Robin Dunbar.
Cite this page as:Gron KJ. 2008 September 3. Primate Factsheets: Gelada baboon (Theropithecus gelada) Taxonomy, Morphology, & Ecology . <http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/gelada_baboon>. Accessed 2020 July 6.
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Head in the sands!
In December of 2012, a 23 year old physiotherapy student was gang raped on a bus in the Indian capital city of New Delhi. It was a case of extraordinary brutality committed right in the heart of India's capital. A case of a small town girl trying to prosper in the new India by pursuing higher education - something India as an independent country has been encouraging and striving towards for the last 7 decades. The British film maker Leslee Udwin made a documentary at the time comprised of interviews with the accused. In the documentary, the bus driver Mukesh Singh goes on to blame the victim for the rape - proclaiming that any girl who ventures out alone after dark is an "indecent girl" and should be rightly punished by being raped. It is clear from the interview that Mr. Singh has absolutely no remorse for his actions. While this fact in of itself is startling, it is not why the Government has proceeded with such haste to ban the film in India. The truth is that Mr. Mukesh's views are fairly common among India's male population.
The documentary - as do many truths - comes at an extremely inconvenient time for the BJP Government. After winning the general elections upon a promise of economic growth, the new government can't wait to roll out its business friendly policies and promote India as the go-to destination for foreign capital. The documentary once again focuses world attention upon India's reprehensibly poor law enforcement and throws its outdated views on gender equality into stark relief. The pro-hindutva government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has not yet been able to appreciate that the India they desire - one of booming industrial growth and new jobs can not become so without ensuring the safety of its female work force. Rather than confront these unsettling truths head on, the government's reaction has been to ban the documentary in India. It also tried to enforce a gag order on the BBC, but thankfully the documentary has gone public anyway. To most readers of the civilized world, this reaction is understandably incomprehensible but there are very specific reasons why India's government is reacting this way. The truth is that Prime Minister Narendra Modi and home minister Rajnath Singh are firmly in favor of women's safety. But they are equally unsure whether the Indian woman belongs in its theaters, night clubs, restaurants and public transport after dark in the first place. The prime minister wants to return India to its historical golden age - without subscribing to the western values. It is expressly why his voice has been conspicuously missing in the current debate.
By all measures there has never been a more important time when India needs to see this documentary. A recent study conducted by the IMRB ( Indian Market Research Bureau ) spreading across 11 states has found that 44% of its college students believe that women must accept some form of violence, 65% of college students believe that boys and girls of different religions should not meet in public places, a large majority of students are also quite unaware that they are citizens of India. It is high time that India as a country undertake a serious introspection of its society. The country is experiencing a clash of its past with the future, of tradition with modernity and while the upheaval is essentially uncomfortable, documentaries such as "India's Daughter" and the social dialogue around them are critical to this process.
No problem can be solved without an honest admission of whats wrong. And the truth is that India has for far too long averted difficult questions. Its schools and colleges do not imbibe its young with a sense of citizenship nor do they encourage critical thinking. India continues to shy away from sexual education while confronting a population explosion. Its police officers, politicians and bureaucrats continue to view women as second class citizens and its institutions of governance are in desperate need of serious reform. Almost all symbols of India's government wear an ancient sanskrit motto "Satyameva Jayate" - "The truth alone triumphs". It is time the government heeds to the writing on the wall.


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Last Updated: Nov 23, 2015
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