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by Tom Utescher
In the third installment of the Manny Flick racing series last Sunday, a number of area schools sent their rookie rowers out onto the Kelly Drive course for the very first time.
It can be a daunting prospect for the youngsters, out on the water and far removed from the familiar confines of their school's gymnasiums and playing fields. In all, it went well for the newbies, and Chestnut Hill Academy and Mount St. Joseph each had one of their boats emerge victorious.
One of the first races of the day was the first race ever for CHA ninth graders Peter Anthony and James Meadows. It became even more memorable when the duo took first place in the freshman double event, winning by almost a dozen seconds over one of the Blue Devils' traditional sculling rivals, Roman Catholic High School. One of the first-time tandems was more than a minute-and-a-half behind the CHA craft at the finish.
Peter Anthony's twin brothers, Gordon and Jack, were both members of the CHA crew, graduating last spring. Jack was at last Sunday's race to witness his younger sibling's debut.
"He said we actually looked like a real crew out there, and not like the other novices," Peter related. "Before the race he told me the main thing to concentrate on is staying long [in stroke length] and trying to stay relaxed. Our coach [first-year mentor David Savoie] just wanted us to finish the race, row clean, and try to get comfortable with the whole thing."
Although he and Meadows had trained in singles and quads, they'd been together in a double fewer than half-a-dozen times in practice. They started the race well, but encountered a glitch more than halfway down the course.
"I think the nerves got to us a little bit and almost at the same time we each caught a crab," said Anthony, referring to the boat-wrenching experience of getting an oar stuck in the water when a stroke goes awry. "We regrouped from there and we were still in the lead, and we finished really well. It seemed the time went by a lot faster than it would doing the same distance in practice."
A CHA novice quad containing sophomore Dylan Brush and freshmen Will Elliott, Jaime MacEachern, and Larry Wargo finished fourth in its race. Springside did not enter any boats containing ninth graders or older novices in last Sunday's regatta, but Penn Charter sent out a girls' freshman quad. The Quakers' Isa Djerassi, Liza Gendler, Hannah Kramer, and Celina McCall finished second to longtime girls sculling power Conestoga High School.
Each year, the third Manny Flick race marks opening day for the freshmen at Mount St. Joe's, who always make their debut in eight-seat shells. This often means that the Magic are in catch-up mode for a few weeks, since a number of their traditional rivals send their ninth graders into competition at the start of the annual five-part Flick series.
Also according to custom, the Magic entered an official freshman eight and two novice-class eights, in which the athletes must be first-year rowers, but not necessarily freshmen.
First up was the novice "A" boat, coxed by freshman Beth Weinrich. Her cousin is former national champion Mount coxswain Nicole Weinrich, a Stanford sophomore who just started her 2011 season in command of the Cardinal's first eight. The younger Weinrich's crew consisted of fellow ninth graders Abigail Shreero, Emily McHugh, Frannie McDermott, Quinn Devore, Natalie Keane, Sarah Curcio, sophomore Lexi Meister, and junior Dana Zielinski.
They won the second of four flights in the novice eight class, although the novice "B" actually had a faster time as it finished second in the following race. The "B" vessel contained an all-freshman group made up of coxswain Lauren Woodrow and (stroke to bow) Caroline Carbone, Christina Vosbikian, Jennifer Lawlor, Marissa Mulligan, Hanna Leonard, Nadine Ghantous, Katie Gresko, and Ellie McGlynn.
Like CHA's Peter Anthony, Mount freshman eight cox Madi Kist received some advice from an older sibling; her sister Alex is a junior coxswain for the Magic.
"She gave me some tips about getting started and about steering, and about motivating the girls, so that helped," said the freshman. "Once we got started and got into a grove it went pretty smoothly."
Plying the oars in the third-place MSJ boat were Michela Karrash, Jocelyn Ziemniak, Lauren Matchett, Natalie Simms, Madeline Lawn, Leah Ramos, Elizabeth McKernan, and Bridget Fitzpatrick (all participants in a designated freshman event must be ninth-graders).
While not performing the physical labor, Kist found that coxswains have a lot of responsibilities.
"I have to keep them together and get them to the start on time," she said. "I have to try and make them more powerful, and know where the landmarks along the course are. It's a little different from other sports because you're not focusing as much on the other teams. You're focusing on your boat and working as one whole unit together."
After months of learning the fundamentals and drilling in practice, Kist said that on Sunday "It was great to be out on the race course and finally be part of it all."
VARSITY and JUNIOR VARSITY
In varsity and junior varsity racing, Mount St. Joseph won flights in the JV Four (Rachel Heller, Carly Scullin, Geneva Russell, Bobbie Sutton, cox Mary Raggazino), JV Eight (Meghan O'Brien, Emily Carbone, Briana Sylvester, Emma Thompson, Rebecca McCool, Fiona Kelly, Lauren Hamilton, Maddie Wescott, cox Annie Tenzinger), and Lightweight Eight (Molly Tenzinger, Kate Loftus, Paige Flynn, Leah McGlynn, Meg Bresnahan, Katie McCormick, Kate Mirabella, Colette McNeela, cox Éireann McElroy), and placed second in the Varsity Eight (Dana Lerro, Meredith Bracken, Rose Ehrlich, Darian DiCianno, Katie O'Connell, Julie McGlynn, Katie Casebeer, Steph Henrich, cox Maggie Rush).
Springside won in the JV Double (Emily Eisler, Katie Blake) and was runner-up in the Lightweight Double (Mozelle Rosenthal, Allie Schreffler) and Varsity Quad (Jen Sager, Verity Walsh, Anna Valciukas, Taylor Apostolico). CHA placed second in the JV quad (John Olson, Mike Calistri, Drew Adubato, Carl Delacato), and was runner up in two different flights of the Varsity Double, one with Walt Palmer and Zach Baron, and the other with Griffin Horter and Laddy St. George.
Penn Charter had both a boys' and girls' JV Double come in second in their respective flights. Sam Jolinger and Kevin Kelly were in the boys' race, while Maria Georgiou and Samantha Kapnek formed the female twosome.


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Hugin Fast Preview window
NOTE This feature is new in the official 0.8.0 release. It was introduced after the previous (0.7.0) release. See hugin release notes.
Like the more accurate Hugin Preview window, the fast preview shows something similar to the final stitched output, but with a few important differences:
- Reduced resolution input images are used, so some areas can appear blurred that will be sharp in the final output.
- Seams are not created, images are simply overlaid with the first image at the bottom of the stack and the last at the top.
- Blending by a tool such as enblend isn't shown.
- The brightness display of HDR and 16bit images is controlled by settings in the hugin Preferences, these settings are not used when stitching. The colouring of these images will also be inaccurate when using exposure or white balance correction. For HDR panoramas, the Hugin Preview window is recommended instead.
- Photometric correction only includes white balance and exposure, unless full photometric correction is enabled with the the Photometrics button.
- The remappings are approximate, the output by a tool such as nona is more accurate. If this concerns you more than speed, use the Hugin Preview window instead.
- It's much faster ;-)
Any button appearing in both preview windows works the same, see Hugin Preview window for how to use them. The buttons specific to the fast preview are explained below.
Preview tab
Using this tool you can find where your images are, and match them to their number. You can also edit control points.
When this tool is turned on, move the mouse over the visibility buttons for the images (the numbers at the top of the preview). The image with the number on the button under the mouse lights up red in the preview. Moving the mouse over the panorama highlights all the images under the mouse in different colours. The buttons for those images lights up in matching colours.
When the mouse is on the overlap of two images, click to edit the control points between those images.
Enables full photometric correction. When turned on, this will cause significant delay when changing photometric parameters. It also takes a while to turn on and off. However, with it enabled you get much better representation of the colours in the output. With it turned off, you get correction only for exposure and white balance. With it turned on, you also get vignetting and colour response correction. The Hugin Preview window does all these things by default, so you may wish to use that instead.
Show control points
When this mode is turned on, all Control points are drawn as lines; red indicates 'normal' control points and blue indicates horizontal control points, vertical control points or straight line control points.
Long red lines indicate a bad alignment or unoptimized images, short red lines or 'dots' indicate a good alignment between control points. Horizontal and vertical control points should be perpendicular in the panorama.
Blend mode
The normal blend mode will draw the images as a stack. The difference blend mode will do the same, except the image under the mouse pointer will be subtracted from the rest of the stack. Use this to determine if the alignment went well: where you can see edges in the subtracted image, these edges are misaligned. Be warned that this isn't fully accurate, the other preview has a better difference mode.
Projection tab
Field of View
Move/Drag tab
Using this tool you can recentre the panorama interactively. With it turned on, try the following:
- Drag the panorama with the left mouse button to rotate the panorama's images. The centre of rotation is the point where you pushed the mouse button down.
- Hold shift when doing the above to constrain movement to yaw or pitch. Note pitch is affected by the centre of rotation.
- Drag the panorama with the right mouse button or hold control and drag with the left to roll the panorama (rotate around the middle)
If the panorama contains unconnected components, they will move individually.
Numeric Transform
Crop tab
Using this tool you can set the output cropping region interactively. To do this precisely instead, use the Stitcher tab. Initially, the entire panorama is in the output region (i.e. nothing is cropped).
To change the cropping at each edge, move the mouse towards that edge until a white box appears along it, then drag with the left mouse button until the edge is where you want it. The darker areas represent the region that is cropped off. You can move two edges at once by moving the mouse towards the corner shared by the edges until both white boxes appear. If you wish to move the whole region at once, move the mouse into the middle so that all four edges have boxes along them and drag.
In practice
Let's try using this preview to help with a panorama where automatic alignment failed. This panorama was taken where a lot of things were blowing around in the wind, and the clouds were changing quickly, so it is not surprising that it aligning it is a struggle. The Assistant tab tells us there are multiple unconnected image groups. We can optimise the panorama and end up with a images correctly positioned amongst the group they are in, but the groups themselves are not aligned. Try this first.
Using the Drag tool, we can roughly align the groups together:
- Turn on the tool with the Drag button.
- Drag each component so the horizon is in the middle, using the left mouse button.
- Drag with the right mouse button (or hold control and drag with the left) to level the horizon.
- Hold shift and drag with the left mouse button sideways to approximately line up the image with the other groups.
When we have the images in approximately the right position, we can begin placing control points to guide the optimiser. The Identify tool lends a hand here. Firstly, turn on the identify tool. Move the mouse on an overlap that was recently created between two image groups. The images in the overlap light up. Move the mouse to a place where there is only two images in that overlap, and click. The two images are opened in the control point editor (there may be a short pause while the images are loaded). Once you have placed control points manually, you can return to the preview to find some more image pairs.
When you are happy that your panorama contains sufficient control points, optimise it again. The panorama will likely have the horizon at the wrong angle, in this case press Straighten on the preview window. You can then frame the panorama using the drag tool (hold shift so you don't make it wonky again!). Use your artistic judgement here. If you want to crop your panorama, click Crop and drag the edges of the cropping rectangle.

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Hot Heads and Government Failure
The left-wing blogosphere and left-leaning newspapers have spent the past few days joyously incensed over the story of a Tennessee city fire department that allowed a home to burn because the homeowner hadn't paid his annual fire fee.
AlterNet's Jonathan Holland titled-and-teased his post on the fire:
Ayn Rand Conservatism at Work -- Firefighters Let Family's House Burn Down Because Owner Didn't Pay $75 Fee
Talk of limited government is appealing until you see what it actually means in practice: a society in which it's every man for himself.
ThinkProgress's Zaid Jilani thundered that the fire demonstrates that there are two competing visions of American society:
One, the conservative vision, believes in the on-your-own society, and informs a policy agenda that primarily serves the well off and privileged sectors of the country. The other vision, the progressive one, believes in an American Dream that works for all people, regardless of their racial, religious, or economic background. The conservative vision was on full display last week in Obion County, Tennessee.
(An aside: ThinkProgress loves to throw in partisan barbs, so Jilani claims that "every seat" of the Obion County Commission is "filled by a Republican," a claim that Holland echoes. Nope. But then, ThinkProgress recently harangued Michael Cannon for an opinion that isn't his, so ya' know...)
Finally, today the New York Times editorial page chimes in:
In any case, the founding fathers left no message that government can make an object lesson of a neglectful citizen by letting his house burn down. The [homeowners] deserve an apology, even if it won't come from the candidates peddling dreams of constricted government.
It's unfortunate that these writers didn't pause from their fervor to consider the facts. In a nutshell: The firefighters involved were from a city government fire department following a city government policy concerning people who didn't pay a city government fee for a 20-year-old city government program that was adopted in response to a county government decision.
John Galt in Nomex this ain't.
Beyond the facts, these writers are confused about basic political theory.
All three writers argue that fire service is a public good that shouldn't be left to private action. "Public good" is a technical term referring to a type of market failure in which (to over-simplify) it would be easy for some people to benefit from a good without paying their fair share for it. As a result, public goods are at risk of being under-provided because of all the free-riding. The classic (though flawed) example of a public good is a lighthouse: a ship can benefit from the safety of its beacon without contributing to the lighthouse's construction and upkeep.
But it's unclear how the Obion County fire would be an example of a public goods failure -- obviously a homeowner who fails to contribute to fire service can be excluded from receiving the service. A better example in support of the public goods argument might be that fire service is publicly provided so as to protect the neighbors of a house that's on fire -- though again, if you read the details of the Obion County fire, you find that it provides an example that such neighbors can be protected.
Indeed, the Obion County fire seems a clear example of government failure, not market failure. Because city government provides the service (albeit through a voluntary fee system for people like the affected owner who live outside the city lines), people likely consider it a subsidized public service. As a result, there is strong disincentive for any private firm to enter the market and offer competing service. It's not difficult to imagine what a private fire service would do in an event like the Obion fire: it likely would extinguish the blaze and then send the homeowner a bill. There are plenty of examples of this sort of practice in private marketplaces. And it's what the government fire company in Obion should have done. Instead, the firefighters stood by and watched the house burn.
One can't blame the NYT editorial page, ThinkProgress, and AlterNet for trying to spin an example of government failure into a tale of the horrors of limited government. Just a few weeks out from a national election in which progressive candidates appear poised for a major waxing, the last thing the progressive side needs is a heartrending example of government failure. And yet, the Obion County fire is an example of why that waxing is sorely needed — and justified.


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Life makes so much sense! Go figure!
Well, we really don't have to because God has it all figured out! Literally.
And He doesn't take sides or even force His opinion because then we wouldn't have Free Choice.
Frequency. Frequency. It's all about Frequency. And two kinds of Frequency, no less.
Let's use College Football as an analogy for the All That Is to examine why anything happens to anyone.
I AM a proud Auburn graduate and Tiger football fan and if you know anything about SEC football, you know that it's Us against Them. Yeah, Auburn against Alabama… aka "The Role Tide."
Now, let's look at the two meanings of Frequency that will make us all "Know-It-Alls" by the end of my post.
First, we have the Frequency of How Often Something Occurs.
Second, we have the Energy Frequency of every atom in the Universe and beyond. Everything in the world, you, me a rock, a germ, a computer, a rose… even a thought and a word has its own unique energy frequency. Especially a thought and word!! This is why our thoughts and words are so important- magnets attracting similar thoughts and ideas into our basket of grey matter.
So let's get back to the game in progress… It's the Iron Bowl- truly the most important game in
SEC football the entire WORLD! The stadium is standing room only!!! Both teams playing their hearts out!
Everyone in the stadium is Co-Creating this most significant event by sending up prayers, thoughts, (which are actually prayers-in-disguise since God can't NOT hear your every thought and the intention behind it!), frustrations, reactions, "coaching" comments, curse words… etc.
So picture a melting pot where everyone is throwing their personal thoughts into the mix.
1. First FREQUENCY- How frequently is each person sending up the thought? Constantly, intermittently, just once, for years (some are born into the life of the SEC and feel supreme from day one. Just ask a Tide fan.)
2. Second FREQUENCY- What is the energy frequency of the thought. A "We suck!" right after a fumble on the ten yard line is a lower frequency thought than a "that's okay- we got 'em right where we want 'em. War Eagle!" And just imagine all the rockets of desire being sent up by the coaches and players. All the psychological mind games being played out? A positive thought/emotion has a higher frequency than a negative thought/emotion. And whatever you do, don't leave the stadium when your team is 20 points behind with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter. With God- and a change of heart/thought/attitude… ANYTHING is possible!
I believe that God just sits back while the entire game is Figured out very systematically, non-judgementally. It just IS what it IS. A situation where the Laws of the Universe play out according to Frequency X Frequency of all the people involved.
Some would like to think that God takes sides, but I don't think he Loves the most popular religious leader any more than he Loves the "lowest of the low." He is the One and Only LIGHT SWITCH just waiting at all times to be turned on. Some would like to think, "Well, I've had my light on all my life and "He" just turned his on this minute." Our lives can turn on a dime, and at the end of the day, the wages are all the same! Whether you've labored (embraced JOY) all your life or just came for the last hour of labor (embracing JOY) the wages are all the same- a life of abundant Peace, Joy, Love & Blessings!
So let's mind the Frequency and Frequency of our thoughts and watch the world around us change. And, if that sounds too much like homework then go straight to your happy place- singing, dancing, fishing, golfing OR the tailgate party right outside of the biggest game this side of the SUN! WARRRRRRRRR EAGLE!!


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Do you like sewing? Crafts? Animals? Having fun?
If the answer to any of those is yes then you should check out the Felt Friends event at the Woods Run branch of CLP. It's this Saturday at 2:00PM. You can call the library at 412-761-3730 for more information or check out the link here.
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Matt Jaworowski, Media General National Desk – (MEDIA GENERAL) – There's more to the history of Thanksgiving than the hand-traced turkeys and makeshift pilgrim hats we all made in the second grade. It's a holiday with a surprisingly tumultuous history that wasn't universally celebrated nationwide until deep into the 20th century.
The first Thanksgiving
Following a rough, deadly winter aboard the Mayflower off the Plymouth coast, the Mayflower passengers who survived the journey (roughly half) moved ashore in March 1621. They met a member of the Abenaki tribe who introduced them to Squanto, a member of the Pawtuxet tribe who learned English after being kidnapped by an English sea captain and sold into slavery. Squanto helped the settlers learn how to live on the new land by teaching them how to grow corn and avoid poisonous plants.
After the pilgrims' first harvest was successful, Governor William Bradford invited a group of their Native American allies for a three-day feast. The feast became an annual tradition in the colonies.
Thanksgiving, moving forward
In 1789, George Washington issued the first Thanksgiving proclamation by the United States government, calling for Americans to express their gratitude for their freedom from British reign and to reflect in days of prayer. Similar proclamations were given regularly in following years by Washington and his successor, John Adams. Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams, however, did not issue proclamations over perceived conflicts with the constitutional separation of church and state.
In the 19th century, several states declared Thanksgiving a holiday, but there was no standard date. On Oct. 3, 1863, President Abraham Lincoln issued a decree to establish a national holiday to celebrate the thanksgiving tradition as Thanksgiving Day. The decree established the holiday on the final Thursday in November.
Still in the throes of the Civil War, many southern states did not observe the new holiday, believing it to be an abolitionist holiday for Yankees. Even in the years after the war, news reports from cities in the south note the holiday is only celebrated by "portions of the community." By 1890, the Charlotte News penned an article that observed locally that "with each succeeding year, the observance of this day has grown more general until now it is second, as a holiday, only to Christmas."
Changing days
For decades, Americans celebrated Thanksgiving on the final Thursday in November. In 1933, Thanksgiving fell on Nov. 30, a year in the cycle which there were five Thursdays in November. With less than four weeks of official "Christmas season," worried business leaders lobbied President Franklin D. Roosevelt to amend the holiday to lengthen the shopping season and further help an economy recovering from The Great Depression. Roosevelt said no, but when the issue came up again in 1939, he agreed to move the holiday to the fourth Thursday in November.
The decision was met with a mixed reaction. According to NPR, a few states decided to oppose the president and hold Thanksgiving Day on the final Thursday of the month. In 1941, Congress passed a federal law to mark Thanksgiving Day as the fourth Thursday of November.


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Cheramie Viator
It's never too early to start planning your replacement female strategy, so let's take a philosophical look at what is the right kind of heifer for your operation.
In today's market, every female you purchase or raise has more value than ever before. This fall, I have seen numerous bred heifers sell from $1,700 to more than $2,200 per head! This tells me it's time to think about what your replacement females need to look like so you make the right kind of investment.
There is a lot of research that tells us a heifer that is grown properly, without getting overconditioned, will live a longer, productive life.
Select for longevity. In many of the operations I work with, we are trending toward developing heifers on grass with enough supplementation to have them at 55% to 65% of their mature weight at breeding.
Yes, I realize that regional differences such as feedstuffs and moisture conditions will dictate a lot of our management and development decisions. But when heifers are this costly, it is even more important for us to develop her with longevity in mind. Before you buy replacements, ask the seller, "How have these heifers been developed?"
Let's go back to Livestock Judging 101. Did you ever have a judging coach or ag teacher who talked about fitting "form to function?" As you are thinking about selecting or purchasing replacements, it's vital to select heifers with the right form or design to meet your production model. Can you run a 1,200-lb. or 1,300-lb. cow? 1,400-lb.? Is she going to weigh 1,250 lb. as a mature cow because she is a "wide body" or because she is a larger framed, heavy structured individual that is average on width and muscle?
Here's another challenge for you: As so many seedstock producers have selected for "spread" genetics, have we elongated the maturity curve of our females? I think we have, and it's time to remember there is a difference between maternal and terminal genetics.
As you make replacement female decisions, ask questions about the genetic makeup of the heifers. You might be surprised to know some of the most productive and functional cattle (translation: profitable cattle!) that I work with do not have big spread genetics. Many times, optimum growth genetics are much more profitable in the long term than maximum growth genetics.
We expect our females to breed, calve and rebreed utilizing available feed resources within 365 days. As Milk EPDs have crept up, so have energy requirements. Questions about genetics are important; do the heifer candidates match your operation and feed resources?
Look to the future. On a final note, I recently attended the National Beef Ambassador Contest in Arkansas. All of us in the beef industry need to take note of this program; it enables students to promote beef to consumers around the country. This is an important way for our future beef leaders to get involved in our industry. I hope you will take the time to learn more: www.national beefambassador.org.
Cheramie Viator specializes in genetics and marketing. Cheramie takes a big-picture approach to herd management. A native of Louisiana, she has worked all across the country to help ranchers maximize opportunities. Contact Cheramie:
E-mail: [email protected]
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See Cheramie's videos at www.BeefToday.com/videos


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Inspired by Abe Sauer's slideshow of World Cup Babe Slideshows, we are proud to present a gallery of Ines Sainz galleries from around the web.
Image via Yahoo.
Fox Sports actually published its gallery of sexxxy Ines Sainz photos the same day they published this Mark Kriegel piece.
Taringa.net has multiple galleries. For research purposes. They're for research.
TV Azteca, the station that employs Sainz, has a gallery.
The Daily News at least posted its gallery under the pretext of introducing Sainz and providing background.
The Post has no idea what the word pretext means.
CBS tried to class things up with a "photo essay."
Co-Ed Magazine does exactly what something called Co-Ed Magazine would do.
Ditto you, SidelineHotties.com.
Hey, ABC Local: the whole "How well do you know [person]" angle has been done.
Bleacher Report has a bunch of these, and we applaud their shamelessness.
Who doesn't like an excuse to repost old images that we've all seen before? Bleacher Report, that's who! Nope, they'll do just about anything. Including the debatable and the borderline offensive.
Does anyone even read this site anymore? They think they're so fucking clever.


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Happy Birthday, Mathematica!
Mathematica 1.0 was released 20 years ago today.
My home state of Illinois and Wolfram Research's home city of Champaign have both proclaimed this day as "Mathematica Day" in recognition of the jobs and revenue generated from the company's products. Check out the Mathematica Scrapbook, a pictorial time-line of the history of this program, as remarkable and relevant as it was two decades ago. And stay tuned for more Mathematica coverage coming this Fall in preparation for DDJ's coverage of the International Mathematica User Conference 2008.


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With online arrangements, you can take your time selecting the arrangements which are best for your preferences and budget. Explore different options until you find those that are right for you.


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The Biggest Question is Still The Same.
What seems pretty clear is Bosh is happy with all that Bryan has done in rebuilding this team. It is also clear that Bosh plans on having a huge year. He was put in a ton of work for this season looking to cash in. I still think that deep down Bosh would like to have success here as opposed to elsewhere. I think Bosh takes a lot of pride in the fact that he is "the Franchise" player in Toronto. People who have covered the team for years were commenting that Bosh looks bigger. He says himself that he has added 15 to 20 pounds and it is all muscle according to media folks. That is a change from a few years ago when Bosh had seemed to be resigned to the fact he could not get bigger. A change in training and promise of a max contract can be motivating to say the least.
The hamstring injury that Bosh suffered back in Texas doing wind sprints is said to be minor. However as it has always been both Bosh and the Raptors are being very careful about making sure he is 100% before he hits the floor. It is not ideal that he misses this time. The Raptors need to gel together rather quickly as the schedule that they will see early on is challenging to say the least. However if everything sticks to the schedule we have been told Bosh should be ready to roll in a week or two and in the time he is not on the floor it allows Jay Triano to get to know some of the toys he has on his roster. Amir Johnson is likely the guy that gets the most out of this in terms of extra floor time.
Raptors are already have on practice in the books up in Ottawa and Matt Devlin Twittered that defense was the major focus. I think everyone feels pretty confident this team can score the basketball. Jay Triano's task will be to improve it defensively and get this team to battle on the boards. These are things that have been lacking in Toronto not just last year but for many years. Not since the K.O era has this team played defense to a high level. The problem was they did it at a cost to having any offense at all. The personal on paper seem like a group that can answer the challenge defensively and that will be a major key. Bosh himself showed he can be a solid defender in playing for team U.S.A last summer.
Raps will be bringing in a guy on a one day contract with a possible extension to a two day contract. He use to be a high school football player and has size but he is only 6 feet tall. However he likely will not be playing anyway so it really doesn't matter.
The Dino Nation Blog is GOING TO TRAINING CAMP. I am that 6ft ex-football player and will be heading up for training camp on Friday for both sessions. Not sure if I will be around for the scrimmage on Saturday will see. I thank the Raptors for the opportunity. As you may have figured they do not just let anyone come to cover the team. So I see it as a privilege and one I hope to take it advantage of. Hopefully this can be a start of working with the Raptors more. But like everything with the Dino Nation Blog we will take it a step at a time and enjoy the journey. So if the blog is a bit screwed up this week that is the reason why. I have a lot of personal things to take care of in order to make this trip possible. But also a thanks to all of you that read the Dino Nation Blog...I work hard to do more for all of the great folks that read this thing as much as I do for myself.
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IMO, the biggest question this season isn't whether or not Chris Bosh stays with the team. The primoral question that needs to be answered is: Does Chris Bosh have confidence in Bryan Colangelo's ability to build a championship team in Toronto?
If the answer is, "Yes", then CB4 will be signing that contract extension next summer. If the answer is, "No", then the Raptors will be his former employer at that time when he signs his next contract with a different team in the NBA.
It's all part of the same question both sides of this relationship have to want to make it happen. I do not think this is over if Chris does not sign an extension. But it does make things much easier for everyone if he did sign the extension. If he doesn't he will face questions about it all year. Part of the choice is about can this team win and be a consistent contender.ReplyDelete
James congrats man! Good to hear you're doing what you love and stepping up your game! Looking fwd to hearing about training camp. Good luck with the interviews and coverage!ReplyDelete
Thanks always working hard. As in the past anytime I have been able to accomplish anything I try to share the accomplishment with all of you that support the DNBReplyDelete
- AnonymousSeptember 29, 2009 at 9:46 PM
I guess its a good thing that you'll be covering the team at training camp, but I worry that this kind of access will eventually come at a cost. No more criticizing of players like Joey G. or pining for TJ for you, James. If you want to keep moving in the direction of being a more conventional "mainstream" reporter, you're going to have to continue hyping up Colangelo and Bosh and stop complaining about Jose. I hope the desire to be accepted into the inner circle doesn't cause you to toe the party line and lose the things that made your perspective unique.ReplyDelete
I am who I am. The Dino Nation Blog will not change in a bad way from this. I just would not let that happen. I will always be the same with what I am doing here. I get what you are saying but I will always give my thoughts and feelings here. Some may have thought that when this blog partnered with The Score it might change. I don't think it has. At least not in any negative ways. I am aware of the concerns you have. They are ones I consider myself. The one thing that I will always demand is to have full content control of this blog.ReplyDelete


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Managing Capital Inflows : What Tools to Use? »
Volume/Issue: 2011/6
Series: Staff Discussion Notes
Author(s): Jonathan Ostry , Atish Ghosh , Karl Habermeier , Luc Laeven , Marcos Chamon , Mahvash Qureshi , and Annamaria Kokenyne
Publisher: INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND
Publication Date: 05 April 2011
DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.5089/9781463926540.006
Keywords: Capital inflows, capital controls, financial sector, capital inflow, reserve requirements, Prudential Tools,
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Wellness Education Services is conducting the National College Health Assessment (NCHA) survey among all enrolled students, an effort that has been dubbed "Fashioning Wellness."
UB students, who received the survey in their UB email inboxes beginning Feb. 11, have until March 3 to complete the 20-minute survey.
The data from the confidential survey will be used to gauge the overall health and wellness of UB's student population and improve services and programs as part of a comprehensive campus plan for health promotion and harm reduction.
"The NCHA is the gold standard among colleges and universities for obtaining useful wellness data," says Sherri Darrow, director of wellness education services. "Results from the NCHA will help us understand our students' behaviors and perceptions in such areas as personal safety, alcohol, tobacco and drugs, sexual behavior, contraception, weight, nutrition and exercise, and mental and physical health. The data we collect will help us plan programs, prioritize resources and design strategies for intervention."
All UB students who submit a survey by March 3 will receive one of several prizes, including UB pajama pants, flash drives, T-shirts or lunch bags. In addition, students will be entered in a random drawing for an Xbox 360 with Kinect, a hybrid bicycle and a sun simulator clock.
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- "A Star Destroyer can't be everywhere at once, 10 Carrack-class cruisers can."
- ―Michael Unther
The Carrack-class light cruiser, also known as the Carrack-class gunship, was a cruiser deployed by the Republic Navy throughout the final era of the Galactic Republic and was prominent in the Clone Wars.
It was later an important addition to the Imperial Navy; although 350 meters long, the small combat cruisers were heavily armed and had a top speed that matched X-wing starfighters.
The Carrack-class was made as a cheap replacement for expensive capital ships and was not designed to operate as ships of the line, despite being capable of trading fire with larger adversaries.
Two weapon configurations were known for this class: one with ten heavy turbolasers, twenty laser cannons designed to defend against starfighters and missiles, and five tractor beam projectors, and an alternative version which replaced the flak lasers with ion cannons. In either version, the Carrack was very heavily armed for its size, a feature which it coupled with impressive speed and maneuverability made it a highly versatile warship. A group of Carracks could defeat one ship ten times bigger than an individual Carrack.[6]
In addition, the survivability of the design was enhanced by safety devices built into the hull to strengthen the spaceframe and provided extra protection for the crew. Reinforced bulkheads and a compartmentalized design made Carracks tough for their size, and these were combined with independent life-support systems in different sections of the hull to lessen the dangers of hull breaches. Even when Carracks were reduced to drifting hulks, it was by no means uncommon for salvage teams to find survivors unharmed inside the wreckage.[7][8]
However, the small size of the ship, especially when combined with the additional reinforcement and safety equipment, meant that there was no room available for an internal hangar bay. The Republic and later the Imperial Navies countered this weakness by adding an exterior rack that held up to five TIE Series starfighters for use on short-range reconnaissance, escort, or courier duties.
The ship's controls were also simple and automated enough so that two people could operate the vessel, although in normal circumstances, they carried a crew of 1,092 and a small army contingent of 142 soldiers.
During the Clone Wars, they served as fast-attack escorts for larger ships like Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers. A group of Carracks Lorth Needa commanded along with other Republic vessels, helped bring down the Confederate flagship Invisible Hand at the Battle of Coruscant. Some vessels would receive T.I.E. Starfighters during the conflict as a starfighter that could make use of available space on the ship.[9]
Over time, the rise of Star Destroyers as the dominant starship of the Imperial Navy saw a strategic realignment of the Carrack-class. Pairs of the light cruisers were assigned as system patrol vessels in quieter areas of Imperial space, where their lack of starfighters was less important. While not a match for most large warships, a Carrack in open space could outrun most threats that it could not fend off, and it was also fast and tough enough to break through a blockade fleet. Some were even assigned as personal transports to important Imperial dignitaries.
Other ships of this class were put to more esoteric uses. In 5 BBY, during a campaign to exterminate the Oswaft, the Empire blockaded the entrance to the sack-shaped ThonBoka with five hundred capital ships (mostly Carrack cruisers modified to contaminate the "interstellar plankton" drifting into the nebula), intending to starve the entire Oswaft race into extinction. Luckily for the Oswaft, the Imperial plot was thwarted with the arrival of Lando Calrissian and Vuffi Raa.
Perhaps one of the best examples of the Carrack-class' capabilities came with the Invasion of Bakura in 4 ABY. As the sole cruiser in the Bakuran system, the Imperial starship Dominant was the primary target of the invading Ssi-Ruuvi fleet, who heavily damaged the vessel. In a display of the class's toughness, the vessel remained nominally operational despite major damage, and became the cornerstone of the new Bakuran Defense Fleet soon afterwards.
In the years after the Battle of Endor, Imperial commanders like Zsinj, Thrawn and Josef Grunger deployed them in skirmish lines ahead of their primary screening forces of Strike-class cruisers at battles like Tralus and Sluis Van.
Behind the scenesEdit
Different WEG materials provide a different account of the vessel's fighter complement. The Imperial Sourcebook makes note that the Imperial Navy added TIE racks to cover the weakness, while Adventure Journal 10 has the existing Republic naval vessels in the game (Carrack and Dreadnaught) receiving T.I.E. Starfighters as part of their complement.
Notes and referencesEdit
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 Starships of the Galaxy, Saga Edition
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Starships of the Galaxy (2007), p. 68
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 The Official Star Wars Fact File 106
- ↑ 4.0 4.1 Star Wars: X-Wing Alliance
- ↑ 5.00 5.01 5.02 5.03 5.04 5.05 5.06 5.07 5.08 5.09 5.10 5.11 5.12 5.13 5.14 5.15 5.16 5.17 Imperial Sourcebook, Second Edition
- ↑ Starships of the Galaxy (2007)
- ↑ Imperial Sourcebook, p. 58
- ↑ Starships of the Galaxy, p. 89
- ↑ "Alliance Intelligence Report: TIE Fighters"—Star Wars Adventure Journal 10'


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The Boy Scouts of America will get no reprieve from controversy after Thursday's contentious vote to accept openly gay boys as Scouts.
Dismayed conservatives are already looking at alternative youth groups as they predict a mass exodus from the BSA, while gay-rights supporters vow to maintain pressure on the Scouts to end the still-in-place ban on gay adults serving as leaders.
The Boy Scouts' chief executive, Wayne Brock, pleaded for the Scouting community to reunite after the divisive debate that led to Thursday's vote by the BSA's National Council. The proposal to lift the ban on openly gay youth -- while keeping the ban on gay adults -- was supported by about 60 percent of the council's 1,400 voting members.
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However, Brock's plea failed to sway some conservative religious leaders whose denominations sponsor many Scout units and who consider same-sex relationships immoral.
"Frankly, I can't imagine a Southern Baptist pastor who would continue to allow his church to sponsor a Boy Scout troop under these new rules," Richard Land, a senior Southern Baptist Conference official, told the SBC's news agency, Baptist Press.
Land advised Southern Baptist churches to withdraw their support of Scout troops and consider affiliating instead with the Royal Ambassadors, an existing SBC youth program for boys that combines religious ministry with Scouting-style activities.
Baptist churches sponsor Scout units serving more than 100,000 of the BSA's 2.6 million youth members.
The Assemblies of God, which oversees units serving more than 2,000 Scouts, said it could no longer support such units and suggested its own Royal Rangers youth group as a "positive alternative."
There is a template for forming a conservative alternative to a major national youth organization. American Heritage Girls was formed in 1995 as a Christian-oriented option to the Girl Scouts of the USA, and it now claims more than 20,000 members.
Ellen Samek, American Heritage Girls ministry expansion leader in North Texas, said it wouldn't be long before there is a new group for former Boy Scouts. And American Heritage Girls is ready to help, she said.
"There have already been discussions," said Samek, who also has a son in Boy Scouts. "I don't know the level of that, but they're going to be supporting that effort to get started, because we're on the same page."
American Heritage Girls has 600 troops across the country, including 25 in North Texas.
"If you can do it successfully with girls, there is no reason it can't be successfully done with boys," said mother Frances Bishop, whose 18-year-old daughter, Lydia, has been in American Heritage Girls for four years.
Bishop said it was important that she found activities for her daughter that taught her skills as well as centered on faith in God.
"I wanted to choose an organization I felt more closely represent what we've been teaching at home," she said.
American Heritage Girls ended its mutual-support agreement with the BSA after the Boy Scouts' decision to end its ban on gay youth members. Samek said the two groups don't share the same values and beliefs anymore.
John Stemberger, a conservative activist and former Scout from Florida who led a group opposing the policy change, said he and his allies would convene a meeting next month in Louisville, Ky., to discuss creation of a "new character development organization for boys."
"We grieve today, not because we are faced with leaving Scouting, but because the Boy Scouts of America has left us," Stemberger said. "Its leadership has turned its back on 103 years of abiding by a mission to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices."
From the left, gay-rights supporters -- including President Barack Obama -- generally welcomed the move to accept openly gay Scouts, but urged the BSA to take the further step of welcoming gay adults as leaders.
White House spokesman Shin Inouye said Obama "continues to believe that leadership positions in the Scouts should be open to all, regardless of sexual orientation."
Rich Ferraro of GLAAD, formerly known as the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, said his group would continue a campaign to discourage corporate giving to the Boy Scouts until the ban on gay adults is lifted.
He also predicted that the presence of openly gay boys in Scout ranks would undermine the viability of the adult ban as those youth turn 18 and seek leadership posts.
"The BSA now will have to look gay teens in the eye, boys who've been involved in Scouting for years, and tell them they're not going to be able to grow into adult leaders," Ferraro said. "Those conversations will be difficult and shouldn't be had."
Eagle Scout Zach Wahls, a 21-year-old activist raised by lesbian mothers in Iowa, has been a leader of the campaign to end the BSA's no-gays policy. He said his group, Scouts for Equality, would continue to press for lifting the ban on gay adults, while also monitoring how the BSA implements its new policy for gay youth.
"We'll act as a watchdog," he said. "If any gay youth feel they're experiencing harassment or discrimination, we want to be there for them."
In California, gay-rights leaders said they would continue urging passage of a bill pending in the Legislature that would make the BSA ineligible for nonprofit tax breaks because of the remaining ban.
For some parents of Scouts, the entire membership debate has been emotionally draining, and the decision to accept openly gay youth left them disenchanted or confused.
Wes Comer, whose family attends an Apostolic Pentecostal church near Knoxville, Tenn., that considers homosexuality sinful, had been wrestling with whether to pull his eldest son out of the Scouts if the no-gays policy was abandoned.
"To be honest, I'm torn at this point," Comer said Friday in an email. "I'm not sure exactly what our decision will be."
"If I place this situation in the context of my religious beliefs, I'm forced to ask myself, `Would I turn a homosexual child away from Sunday school? From a church function? Would I forbid my children to be friends with a gay child?' I can't imagine a situation where I would answer `yes' to any of those questions. So how can I in this one?" he wrote.
Yet he said was "extremely disappointed" in the entire debate, and suggested that the BSA "has dealt itself a mortal blow."
Prominent volunteer Collin County Commissioner Chris Hill said Thursday he was resigning from his position as district chairman in the Lone Star District of the BSA's Circle Ten Council because of the policy change. He said he has not yet decided if his sons will continue to participate in Scouting.
Another Scouting father, Don Mack, of Waconia, Minn., said he and his 10-year-old son will be leaving Cub Scouts after the current year is done and his son gets his Arrow of Light Award.
Mack, a Scout himself as a boy and a self-described conservative Christian, has been a Cub Scout leader for about five years. Now, because of the vote to admit gay youth, he and his son both want out. And they'll be looking for an alternative program that offers similar character-building benefits as the Scouts.
"We home-school, and my wife and I teach our son you need to stand up for what's right, even if that means sacrifice or getting hurt in the process," Mack said. "It was not an easy choice for us to make because our family believed in the mission Scouting has to offer. I kind of feel like my best friend died."
NBC 5's Mark Schynder and Catherine Ross contributed to this report.


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We are the HORDE. We are slaves to nothing and no one!
I will burn away any remnants of weakness within us. When death arrives, will you stand and face it or kneel in defeat?
- Garrosh Hellscream
Garrosh Hellscream, son of Grom Hellscream and former chieftain of the Warsong clan, is the former Warchief of the Horde. With the reopening of the Dark Portal, Garrosh was invited into the Horde by Thrall himself, quickly advancing to the position of personal adviser of the Warchief. Garrosh led the Horde troops into Northrend and was given the position of acting Warchief in Thrall's absence.
Garrosh is well-known for his fierce hatred of the Alliance and frequently expresses his desire for the Horde to go to war with its rival faction.
He later resurrected the Heart of Y'Shaarj and was replaced by Vol'jin as the Warchief of the horde.
He corrupted the Vale of Eternal Blossoms using the Heart of Y'Shaarj. The act turn the vale into the Vale of Eternal Sorrows and unleashed the Sha of Pride. Taran Zhu is currently holding him for trial on Pandaria. Garrosh escapes trial and gets help from a friend called Kairozdormu, and goes back into the time of the Rise of the Horde and stops the Orcs from drinking the Blood of Mannoroth, He helps influence his father Grommash Hellscream unite the clans under the banner of the Iron Horde and get his vengeance.
Beyond the Dark PortalThis section concerns content exclusive to the Warcraft novels or short stories.
During the human invasion of Draenor, many Mag'har - the uncorrupted orcs who settled in Garadar, a stronghold in Nagrand - were ill due to the red pox. Garrosh was among them.
Kargath Bladefist visited them at Garadar in search of warriors to aid him. Garrosh asked him about his father, and wanted to fight with him, but Kargath ignored him at first, calling the Mag'har weaklings and not orcs any more, and they could do the Horde a favor by dying.
Later on Garrosh asked Greatmother Geyah about his father, but the answer caused him to enter a deep depression.[1] (BtDP #?)
The Burning CrusadeThis section concerns content exclusive to The Burning Crusade.
Garrosh became an important chief among the Mag'har. He was aided by Jorin Deadeye, son of the Bleeding Hollow clan's former chieftain, Kilrogg Deadeye. When our heroes first meet Garrosh, he is sullen, pessimistic, even depressed. Undoubtedly he is worried about the health of his clan's matriarch, Greatmother Geyah, who is ill. Garrosh knows that when she dies, he may be expected to lead the Mag'har, and that troubles him as well. Garrosh believes himself fated to repeat his father's mistakes.
A great and fearsome warrior, Grom Hellscream lusted for power. Despite his awareness of this weakness, Grom nevertheless drank Mannoroth's blood, which made him stronger and fiercer, but also damned Grom and other orcs to servitude under Mannoroth.
Early on, it is clear Garrosh is ashamed of his father. The last news Garrosh had of his father was that he (Grom) had drank the blood. Everything that transpired after this event is initially unknown to Garrosh. Indeed, Garrosh does not learn of his father's heroic death until Thrall arrives in Nagrand and re-enacts events for Garrosh's benefit. Learning that his father had eventually overcome his weakness for power – Grom gave his life so that the orcs would be free of demonic influence – Garrosh appears to gain strength and confidence, believing he is no longer fated to fail himself and his people.
Theramore Peace SummitThis section concerns content exclusive to the World of Warcraft: The Comic or other Warcraft-related comics.
Thrall brought with him Garrosh Hellscream back to Azeroth to be his adviser. Later on the retired gladiator master Rehgar Earthfury also became one of Thrall's advisers. Rehgar and Garrosh had a great discussion: while Garrosh wanted to destroy the Alliance, who he considers the Horde's enemies, and take Azeroth for their own; Reghar wanted to remain open to diplomacy with the Alliance and conserve their treaty of non-aggression with Theramore.
When Thrall decided to go to a new meeting with the human King Varian, he brought with him his two advisers Rehgar and Garrosh and some Kor'kron. Reghar recommended Thrall not to bring Garrosh with them but the Warchief thought it would be a good idea as it would help Garrosh to re-think his attitude toward the humans.
Garrosh alongside Thrall traveled in a zeppelin to Theramore, where Varian and Thrall had a peaceful discussion with an eye toward mutual gain; though Garrosh thought it better for the Horde to take what they needed by force rather than exchange their resources. They first talked of their pasts and then discussed resource problems, like the Horde's war against the night elves for lumber. Varian offered to provide Thrall's people with the lumber and in exchange the Warchief offered copper and exotic hides in return. Varian had to leave early as Goldshire and Southshore were said to be under simultaneous distress by the Scourge. Upon exiting Theramore, the Twilight's Hammer clan invaded the city. After catching a glimpse of Garona, Varian thought that Thrall had sent her to assassinate him as the Shadow Council had done to his father. After a time battling, the Twilight's Hammer's casualties began to rise. Med'an then entered to protect his mother, and in seeing this, the cultists appointed their attention to the kidnapping of Med'an, while leaving Garona to die. Garrosh accused the Alliance of plotting the attack in an attempt to lure him and Thrall into a trap while Varian blamed the Horde; specifically Garrosh. Though tempers flared between Varian and Garrosh, Thrall and Garrosh left Theramore peacefully. Garrosh however felt that Varian had insulted the orcs' honor and that by leaving peacefully the orcs were losing face at the summit.
Wrath of the Lich KingThis section concerns content exclusive to Wrath of the Lich King.
Garrosh travels to Orgrimmar to meet with Thrall, Lady Sylvanas Windrunner, High Overlord Saurfang, Grand Apothecary Putress and Rehgar Earthfury to discuss what to do about the Scourge. After consulting Saurfang and the spirits, Thrall favored a more cautious approach to dealing with the Scourge: an advance scouting party to the frozen continent before committing troops, as well as meeting with Jaina Proudmoore to find out what the Alliance were planning to do about the Lich King.[2] Garrosh however, felt that dealing with the Alliance would put the Horde in danger and wanted to take the Horde's armies and conquer the humans and then march to Northrend and crush the Scourge; advocating that the Horde should rule all of Azeroth.[3] Thrall, irritated by Garrosh's recklessness and bold challenges to his authority, answered that the humans were not a threat[3] and that he would not underestimate the Lich King by walking blindly into a Scourge trap.[2] Thrall then provoked Garrosh to challenge him to a duel by saying that he would not make the same mistakes as his father, Grom Hellscream. Frustrated with his leader's apparent lack of action and the insults to his father, Garrosh challenged Thrall to a duel in the Ring of Valor to settle the matter.[2][3]
The two orcs fought for some time until it seemed Garrosh had gained the upper hand.[2] He began to taunt Thrall, but the battle was interrupted by a Herald of the Lich King threatening Orgrimmar with destruction.[2]Hearing this, Thrall used Chain Lightning on Garrosh[3] and both left the ring, with Thrall telling the younger Hellscream that they would settle their dispute later.[2][3] The city was attacked by countless abominations and frost wyrms[2] and a few death knights.[3]
Thrall and Garrosh led the forces of the Horde in repelling the Scourge attack, with the help of Saurfang, Sylvanas,[2] Reghar,[3] the city defenders, and some adventurers. After the Scourge assault force had been dealt with, Garrosh asked to be sent to Northrend again. This time, Thrall agreed and ordered Saurfang to begin preparations for war.[2]This section concerns content exclusive to Wrath of the Lich King.
Garrosh Hellscream was named Overlord of the Warsong Offensive, the main army of the Horde Expedition to Northrend. He resides at Warsong Hold in the Borean Tundra, on Northrend's western coast.
Unlike his appearance in Nagrand, where he was downtrodden and apathetic, Garrosh is much more hotblooded and reckless in his role as Horde commander in Northrend. His chief adviser, High Overlord Saurfang - who drank from the same chalice that corrupted Grom Hellscream - warns against Garrosh's savage tactics, fearing a resurgence of the bloodlust that had dominated the Horde prior to the death of Mannoroth. The two often spar over tactical decisions, particularly in regards to supply lines between the Hold and the Forsaken forces in Howling Fjord. Even if he disagrees with Saurfang, Garrosh appears to have at least a grudging respect for the old warrior. When Saurfang warns Garrosh that if he goes too far against the Alliance and lead their people down a "dark path", Saurfang threatens to kill Garrosh himself. Garrosh neither questions nor challenges Varok of whether he would actually carry out his threat but sarcastically questions how he managed to survive so long without falling victim to his guilt and sense of morality.
Despite Saurfang's warning, Garrosh seems to have appointed commanders and be conducting the war in such a manner as to focus strongly on battling the Alliance. In particular, Conqueror Krenna, the commander at Conquest Hold in the Grizzly Hills, bucks completely the war with the Scourge in favor of making war with the Alliance. Like Garrosh, she is hotblooded to the point of recklessness in pursuing the Alliance, so much so that she must be deposed by Gorgonna, an underling at Conquest Hold. The commander of Orgrim's Hammer above Icecrown is also concerned with defeating the Alliance in Icecrown, and even within Icecrown Citadel, the Horde faces off against the Alliance, as the Skybreaker and Orgrim's Hammer do battle as well.
Secrets of Ulduar
Thrall and Garrosh were summoned urgently to Dalaran to speak with the leader Rhonin. Arriving before the human King Varian Wrynn has departed, Garrosh and the king proceed to skirmish in the Violet Citadel, but Rhonin halts the fight with a magical shield before harm comes to either. Rhonin suggests that the Horde and Alliance work together against the new threat of Yogg-Saron in Ulduar, but Garrosh and Varian are partisan to the idea and Wrynn is portalled out. Garrosh expresses the opinion that a true Warchief would never partner himself with cowards.[4]
Crusaders' Coliseum
Garrosh, alongside Thrall, is in attendance at the new Crusaders' Coliseum in Icecrown, surrounded by various champions and representatives of the Horde. Garrosh requests that Tirion uses warriors of the Horde to challenge the heroes in the tournament and to show the strength of the Horde.
Icecrown Citadel
As of patch 3.3.2, Garrosh can be found at Light's Hammer inside Icecrown Citadel. He provides the Hellscream's Warsong buff for Horde raiding parties. If you speak to him and tell him he is not needed, you will need to reset the instance (provided you are not already saved to it) in order to gain the buff again.
CataclysmThis section concerns content exclusive to Cataclysm.
After Thrall steps down to join the Earthen Ring in stabilizing a world shattered by the Cataclysm, Garrosh is named to succeed him as Warchief of the Horde. Now in charge, Garrosh evicts the majority of non-orc and non-tauren NPCs from central Orgrimmar, believing only they possess the strength to truly defend the city. However, every race is still accounted for and while being a tough leader, Garrosh sees value in all the races that belong to the Horde and uses them to the best of that value.[5] He also begins remodeling the city with dark metal, similar to the Hellfire Citadel in Outland, along with Warsong Hold and other Horde bases in Northrend.[6] At Blizzard's Comic-Con 2010 panel, it was revealed that a story was in production that would delve into the complicated relationship between Thrall and Garrosh, explaining exactly where Thrall's faith in him comes from; the story will be available to read for free on the official website.[7]
Garrosh's ascension to the Warchief's throne has been applauded by the orcs, but is less than popular with the other races of the Horde, including the two closest allies of the orcs. Vol'jin, chieftain of the Darkspear tribe, absolutely despises Garrosh, condemning him as a warmonger and believes that his status as the son of Hellscream and as a hero of the war against the Lich King was the only reason that Thrall chose Garrosh to succeed him. Cairne Bloodhoof, High Chieftan of the Tauren, under the impression that Garrosh has deliberately undermined an attempt to peacefully obtain resources from Ashenvale, challenges Garrosh to a duel in Orgrimmar. Cairne is defeated, and it is later revealed that Magatha Grimtotem deliberately poisoned Garrosh's blade, and that the poison incapacitated Cairne allowing Garrosh to slay him. Garrosh condemns Magatha to whatever fate the Earthmother deems fair and refuses to aid her in defending Thunder Bluff from Baine.[8] Sylvanas Windrunner, Dark Lady of the Forsaken, also seems to have a low opinion of the new Warchief, referring to him as an "ogre-headed buffoon".[9]
Garrosh, in his updated character model, now wields Gorehowl, the axe of his father, Grom Hellscream.
Thrall sends new goblin players to meet with Garrosh after they leave the Lost Isles.
In the Stonetalon Mountains after Garrosh "dismisses" Overlord Krom'gar he learns the art of mercy from High Chieftain Cliffwalker.
Growing up, Garrosh only knew his father, Grom Hellscream, by the stories that cast him as the one who had doomed his people. But after learning of Grom's redemption and heroic sacrifice to free the orcs from demonic corruption once and for all, Garrosh embraced his father's legacy as a fearless warrior and natural leader. At times, Garrosh's renewed zeal has put him at odds with the Horde's warchief. Frustrated by Thrall's decision to scout Northrend instead of mobilizing the Horde right away, Garrosh challenged the warchief to a duel in the Ring of Valor, but an assault by the Lich King's minions cut their bout short. Garrosh and the warchief still have some unfinished business... and Garrosh's hot-headed recklessness is fast becoming a concern to those who know the inherent danger in a Hellscream's fury.[10]
Mists of PandariaThis section concerns content exclusive to Mists of Pandaria.
It was revealed in the March 2012 Mists of Pandaria Press Event that Garrosh will be the final boss for the Mists of Pandaria expansion, as both factions recognize his growing instability and lust for power. The rebellion will be lead by Vol'Jin, who is seeking aid from both the Horde and the Alliance to fight against Garrosh. As the results would be terrible for either side should Garrosh prevail. [11] This means a new Warchief will be appointed and most assume Thrall will return, but Zarhym has hinted that the new Warchief may not be who everyone expects. Some believe the Warchief may not be an Orc. [12]
In Patch 5.4
In Patch 5.4.0 Garrosh has been empowered by the power of Y'shaarj, the Dark Heart of Pandaria. 3 New models have been added, a new, more detailed Garrosh Hellscream model, a model where he is using the power of Y'shaarj, and the third is a limbo stage (left) where he is not quite either. In the patch 5.4 Trailer, he wounded the leader of the Shado-pan, Taran Zhu.
Garrosh is defeated by the combined forces of the Horde and the Alliance, and has now been put under arrest. He is to stand trial in Pandaria for his crimes. The title of Warchief was then placed upon Vol'Jin.
In Warlords of DraenorThis section concerns content exclusive to Warlords of Draenor.
In Warlords of Draenor, Garrosh escapes the pandaren trial and goes back in time, before the orcs first invaded Azeroth, to stop the orcs from drinking the blood of Mannoroth. His goal is to unite the orc clans under the banner of the Iron Horde. Using technology from his own time, he intends to march through an altered Dark Portal to attack this time's Horde and Alliance.
Garrosh can be found in the following locations:
In OutlandThis section concerns content exclusive to The Burning Crusade.
In NorthrendThis section concerns content exclusive to Wrath of the Lich King.
- Warsong Hold, Borean Tundra (master of the Hold)
- Argent Tournament Grounds, Icecrown (arriving with Thrall to observe the tournament)
- Crusaders' Coliseum: Trial of the Champion and Trial of the Crusader (observes the battles in the arena, and sends his champions to fight the Alliance during the Faction Champions event)
- Light's Hammer, Icecrown Citadel (provides the Hellscream's Warsong buff for the Horde; patch 3.3.2)
As of CataclysmThis section concerns content exclusive to Cataclysm.
- Grommash Hold, Orgrimmar (Warchief of the Horde)
- Forsaken High Command, Silverpine Forest (arriving to observe the inclusion of the Val'kyr into Forsaken ranks)
- Cliffwalker Post, Stonetalon Mountains (punishing one of his high-ranked members for being dishonorable during To Be Horde...)
In Mists of PandariaThis section concerns content exclusive to Mists of Pandaria.
- Vale of Eternal Blossoms
- Inner Sanctum, Siege of Orgrimmar
- Grommash Hold, Orgrimmar
- [23] Dread Head Redemption
- [84] Traitor's Bait
- [21] Allegiance to the Horde
- [15D] Enemies Below
- [84] Machines of War
- [11] Report to the Labor Captain
- [84] Return to the Highlands
- [84] Sauranok Will Point the Way
- [84] Where Is My Warfleet?
- [Daily] A Gift for the Warchief (Love is in the Air seasonal event)
- [22] All Apologies
- [21] Meeting the Warchief
- [11] Message for Garrosh
- [60] The Lord of Blackrock
- [84] The Warchief Will be Pleased
- [12] Walk With The Earth Mother
- [55] Warchief's Blessing ( Death Knights only)
- [84] Warchief's Command: Twilight Highlands!
- [84] Weapons of Mass Dysfunction
- "Live by these words: lok'tar ogar. Victory... or death."
- "Hellscream's eyes are upon you."
- "Only the strongest may dwell in Orgrimmar."
- "You will serve the Horde... or be crushed beneath it."
- "After all that he did for YOU and YOUR people? MAK'GORA!" (To Thrall, following a situation in which Thrall mentions Grom Hellscream being a hothead)
- "Treacherous Alliance DOGS! You summon a Demon Lord against Warriors of the HORDE?! Your deaths will be swift!" (To Jaina and Varian inside the Argent Coliseum)
- "The Lich King sought to sow the seeds of fear. Let me be the first to show him the Horde fears nothing!" [13] (TCGSW 175)
Comic quotes
- "Kalimdor should be home to the orcs, Rehgar. All of Kalimdor!"
- "Bah! A discussion fit for merchants! Why should we orcs make concessions when we have the strength to take what we want?"
- "By your "statecraft" you turn the orcs to weaklings, Warchief! We should conquer the humans, who are as nothing -- then send our forces on to Northrend to crush the Lich King as his undead army! The Horde should rule all of Azeroth!"
Full dialogue with Saurfang in Warsong Hold
This is the full transcript of the dialogue between Garrosh and Saurfang:
High Overlord Saurfang says: We are surrounded ... Our enemies press in from all sides, young Hellscream. The Scourge descends like locusts from the north. The Alliance holds the only secure shipping lane in this region and even that is at risk of being lost to those dreaded mists. Our only viable port for resupply is held by the Forsaken on the other side of this blasted continent! Anything our zeppelins cannot haul must be brought in by ship and travel the length of Northrend to reach us.
Garrosh Hellscream grunts.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Shipping lanes ... supplies ... You bore me to death! We need nothing more than the warrior spirit of the Horde, Saurfang! Now that we are firmly entrenched in this frozen wasteland, nothing shall stop us!
High Overlord Saurfang says: Siege engines, ammunition, heavy armor ... How do you propose to shatter the walls of Icecrown without those?
Garrosh Hellscream says: Propose? I will show you what I propose!
- Garrosh crushes the figures and flag indicating Valiance Keep on the map.
Garrosh Hellscream says: There... Now we now have a shipping lane. And just for good measure...
- Garrosh crushes the figures and flag indicating Valgarde and Westguard Keep.
High Overlord Saurfang says: So the prodigal son has spoken! Your father's blood runs strong in you, Hellscream. Impatient as always... Impatient and reckless. You rush headlong into all-out war without a thought of the consequences.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Do not speak to me of consequences, old one.
High Overlord Saurfang says: I drank of the same blood your father did, Garrosh. Mannoroth's cursed venom pumped through my veins as well. I drove my weapons into the bodies and minds of my enemies. And while Grom died a glorious death - freeing us all from the blood curse - he could not wipe away the terrible memory of our past. His act could not erase the horrors we committed.
High Overlord Saurfang says: The winter after the curse was lifted, hundreds of veteran orcs like me were lost to despair. Our minds were finally free, yes... Free to relive all of the unthinkable acts that we had performed under the Legion's influence.
High Overlord Saurfang nods.
High Overlord Saurfang says: I think it was the sounds of the draenei children that unnerved most of them... You never forget... Have you ever been to Jaggedswine Farm? When the swine are of age for the slaughter... It's that sound. The sound of the swine being killed... It resonates the loudest. Those are hard times for us older veterans.
Garrosh Hellscream says: But surely you cannot think that those children were born into innocence? They would have grown up and taken arms against us!
High Overlord Saurfang shakes his head.
High Overlord Saurfang says: I am not speaking solely of the children of our enemies...
High Overlord Saurfang says: I won't let you take us down that dark path again, young Hellscream. I'll kill you myself before that day comes...
Garrosh Hellscream says: How have you managed to survive for so long, Saurfang? Not fallen victim to your own memories?
High Overlord Saurfang says: I don't eat pork...
High Overlord Saurfang spits.
Dialogue at the Argent Tournament Grounds
Herald Beluus yells: The Warchief of the Horde, Thrall, and Overlord Garrosh Hellscream have arrived upon the tournament grounds! Clear the way to the entrance!
- Thrall, Garrosh and their escort appear from inside the Sunreaver Pavilion and walk along the path following the Ring of Champions. Here, they stop between the Ironforge and Gnomeregan banners and observe.
Thrall says: Garrosh, I expect you to control yourself here. I do not want a repeat of the Violet Citadel.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Pah! That was a show of strength, worthy of a leader. I only regret I did not kill that human before the mage interfered.
Thrall says: We are guests here, Garrosh, and you will conduct yourself honorably.
Garrosh Hellscream says: What honor is there in thrashing about with blunted sticks? This is a waste of time.
- The group proceeds to the western entrance of the Crusaders' Coliseum, where Highlord Tirion Fordring awaits.
Highlord Tirion Fordring says: Welcome, Warchief Thrall. Overlord Hellscream.
Thrall says: Thank you for the invitation, Lord Fordring. We look forward to observing these games.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Speak for yourself, Thrall.
Highlord Tirion Fordring says: I hope you'll see the merits of these events in time, Garrosh. We cannot win against the Scourge if we continue to war against one another.
Thrall says: Wise words.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Words of a fool, you mean. The Horde will destroy the undead without your aid, human, or that of the pompous king.
- Thrall immediately turns to face Garrosh and rebukes him directly.
Thrall says: Garrosh, enough!
Highlord Tirion Fordring says: Under my roof, gentlemen, I trust you will behave.
- Thrall turns back to Tirion.
Thrall says: Of course, Tirion. I apologize for his outburst. It will not be repeated.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Bah.
Highlord Tirion Fordring says: If you will follow me, then.
- The group then walks in to the coliseum proper and disappears inside.
Trial of the Crusader
Introduction to Faction Champions, if playing as Alliance:
Highlord Tirion Fordring yells: The next battle will be against the Argent Crusade's most powerful knights! Only by defeating them will you be deemed worthy!
Garrosh Hellscream yells: The Horde demands justice! We challenge the Alliance! Allow us to battle in place of your knights, paladin. We will show these dogs what it means to insult the Horde.
Highlord Tirion Fordring yells: Very well, I will allow it. Fight with honor!
Garrosh Hellscream yells: Show them no mercy, Horde champions! LOK'TAR OGAR!
Horde victory in Faction Champions:
Garrosh Hellscream yells: That was just a taste of what the future brings! For the Horde!
Highlord Tirion Fordring yells: A shallow and tragic victory. We are weaker as a whole from the losses suffered today. Who but the Lich King could benefit from such foolishness? Great warriors have lost their lives, and for what? The true threat looms ahead. The Lich King awaits us all in death.
Garrosh's ascension
Thrall says: Let us begin.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Are we not going to have more witnesses?
Thrall says: I do not wish to make an event of this. Such frivolities are expensive and merely serve our vanity. But if you wish to have a celebration…
Garrosh Hellscream says: No, Warchief, this is enough.
Thrall says: You know that these are troubling times for the Horde. Our supplies dwindle. Our lands barren. Our warriors in need of rest. These are tasks that must be addressed for the good of the Horde.
Vol'jin says: Da people be happy with our success in Northrend.
Garrosh Hellscream says: "Our" success? Troll, you played no part in the Horde's victories in Northrend. While I led our warriors against the Lich King, you merely took back a few scattered islands.
Vol'jin says: Watch yourself, young one. You don't-
Eitrigg says: Garrosh! Vol'jin! Hold your tongues. There are larger issues at stake.
Vol'jin says: Forgive my outburst. Warchief, please, continue.
Thrall says: Despite our success in Northrend, we face serious problems that cannot be solved simply by axe and sword. Earthquakes shake every region. Elementals ravage the countryside. I can hear our land, Azeroth, cry out in pain.
Garrosh Hellscream says: These are the reasons you must leave.
Thrall says: Yes, I leave for Nagrand to learn from the elements there. They have suffered and seen many of the same symptoms.
Vol'jin says: How long you gonna be gone?
Thrall says: It may take time to learn what I must. I trust I will not be gone too long, but it could be weeks- even months.
Thrall says: In my absence, I am instructing you, Garrosh Hellscream, to lead the Horde. You have the strength and courage that our people need to survive in these troubling times.
Garrosh Hellscream says: I am honored, Warchief. But I feel unprepared for the life of a ruler.
Thrall says: You will not be alone. You will have advisors: Cairne, Eitrigg, Vol'jin. They will help guide you.
Thrall says: And though I am leaving soon, I can also instruct you.
Vol'jin says: A good first test may be dealin' with dese cultists. Da people be scared. Dey aren't sure what's goin' on.
Garrosh Hellscream says: But even we are not sure of all that is happening. Should we capture these cultists and force their silence? But that may anger the rest of the people… Still, we cannot allow the cult to spread fear and lies…
Eitrigg says: Now you are thinking like a ruler, Garrosh. You must look at all sides of a problem. Consult with your advisors and act with confidence.
Thrall says: They will help you Garrosh. And I will help you. I will find the answers that we need to assuage the fears of the people and soothe the elements.
Garrosh Hellscream says: I will not fail you, Warchief. I will lead as well as I can, and I will consult with the advisors you suggest. I know what a tremendous honor you do me, and I will strive to be worthy of it.
Thrall says: Then it is done.
Thrall says: Let everything you do be done for the Horde.
Vol'jin says: For da Horde!
Eitrigg says: For the Horde!
Garrosh Hellscream says: For the Horde!
Conversation with Vol'jin
- Garrosh's image appears.
Image of Garrosh says: Don't talk back to me, troll. You know who was left in charge here. Haven't you stopped to ask yourself why Thrall chose me instead of you?
- Vol'jin's image appears.
Image of Vol'jin says: Dere be no question why, Garrosh. He gave ya tha title because ya be Grom's Son and because tha people be wantin' a war hero.
Image of Vol'jin says: To which I tink ya be even more like ya father den he thought, even without ya havin' da demon blood.
Image of Garrosh says: You are lucky I don't gut you right here, whelp. You are foolish to think that you can speak to your Warchief in such ways.
Image of Vol'jin says: Ya be no Warchief of mine. Ya've not earned my respect and I'll not be seein' tha Horde destroyed by ya foolish thirst for war.
Image of Garrosh says: And what exactly do you think that you'll do about it? Your threats are hollow. Go slink away with the rest of your kind in the slums. I will endure your filth in my throne room no longer.
Image of Vol'jin says: I know exactly what I'll be doin' about it, son of Hellscream. I'll be watchin' as ya people slowly become aware of ya ineptitude. I'll laugh as dey grow ta despise ya as I do. And when tha time comes dat ya failure is complete and ya "power" is meaningless, I will be dere to end ya rule, swiftly and silently. Ya will spend ya reign glancin' over ya shoulda and fearin' tha shadows, for when tha time comes and ya blood be slowly drainin' out, ya will know exactly who fired da arrow dat pierced ya black heart.
Image of Garrosh says: You have sealed your fate, troll.
Image of Garrosh spits at Vol'jin's feet.
Image of Vol'jin says: And you yours, "Warchief".
- Garrosh's image fades.
- Vol'jin's image fades.
Meeting in Silverpine in Cataclysm
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Where is that Ogre headed buffoon?
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Ah, speak of the devil ...
- Portals from Orgrimmar arrive with Hellscream, Hellscream's elite, and High Warlord Cromush.
- Hellscream jumps from the portal down to Sylvanas.
Garrosh Hellscream says: This better be important, Sylvanas. You know how I detest this place and its foul stench. Why have you called for me?
Garrosh Hellscream says: And more importantly, what are those Scourge fiends doing here?
- Garrosh makes a gesture at the Val'kyr.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Warchief, so glad you could make it.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: With the death of the Lich King, many of the more intelligent Scourge became...unemployed. Those 'fiends,' as you so delicately put it, are called val'kyr. They are under my command now...
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: ...and they are part of the reason that I asked to see you.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Get on with it Sylvanas.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Very well, Warchief. I have solved the plight of the Forsaken!
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: As a race, we Forsaken are unable to procreate.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: With the aid of the val'kyr, we are now able to take the corpses of the fallen and create new Forsaken.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Agatha, show the Warchief!
- The Val'kyr Agatha proceeds to resurrect fallen corpses as Forsaken.
High Warlord Cromush says: ABERRATION!
Garrosh Hellscream says: What you have done here, Sylvanas... it goes against the laws of nature. Disgusting is the only word I have to describe it.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Warchief, without these new Forsaken my people would die out ... Our hold upon Gilneas and northern Lordaeron would crumble.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Have you given any thought to what this means, Sylvanas.?
Garrosh Hellscream says: What difference is there between you and the Lich King now?
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: Isn't it obvious, Warchief? I serve the Horde.
- Sylvanas mockingly salutes Garrosh.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Watch your clever mouth, bitch.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Cromush, you stay behind and make sure the Banshee Queen is well "guarded." I will be expecting a full report when next we meet.
High Warlord Cromush says: As you command, Warchief!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Remember, Sylvanas, eventually we all have to stand before our maker and face judgment. Your day may come sooner than others...
Stonetalon Mountains finale in Cataclysm
Overlord Krom'gar says: Watch now, Cliffwalker, as this battle comes to its glorious conclusion.
High Chieftain Cliffwalker says: You are about to cross a terrible threshold, Krom'gar. May the Earth Mother have mercy on your soul.
- Overlord Krom'gar unleashes a bomb on the night elven settlement.
Overlord Krom'gar says: Look upon the world, Cliffwalker, and see the might of the Horde!
- Portal to Orgrimmar appears and Garrosh arrives at the scene.
Garrosh Hellscream says: What have you done, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief! I... I was carrying out your command!
Garrosh Hellscream says: My command?
Garrosh Hellscream says: Was my command to murder innocents, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: Warchief... Sir... I...
Garrosh Hellscream says: Am I a murderer, Krom'gar?
Overlord Krom'gar says: No, Warchief!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Then I ask you again: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
Garrosh Hellscream says: I sent you to Stonetalon Mountains with an army. Your orders were to secure this land for the Horde.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Instead, you laid waste to the land. Murdered innocents, children even...
Garrosh Hellscream says: I spent a very long time in Northrend, Krom'gar. I learned much about the Horde at that time.
Garrosh Hellscream says: While there, a wise old war hero told me something that I would carry with me forever...
Garrosh Hellscream says: "Honor," Krom'gar, "No matter how dire the battle... Never forsake it."
Garrosh Hellscream says: Overlord Krom'gar, you have disgraced the Horde.
Garrosh Hellscream says: You have brought shame to us as a people.
Garrosh Hellscream says: By my right as Warchief, I here by relieve you of duty.
- Garrosh Hellscream grabs Overlord Krom'gar.
Garrosh Hellscream says: YOU ARE DISMISSED.
- Garrosh Hellscream throws Overlord Krom'gar off the ledge.
Garrosh Hellscream says: And you, <race>!
High Chieftain Cliffwalker says: Wait, Warchief! Please! <name> was the hero responsible for uncovering this corruption. He tried to stop Krom'gar!
High Chieftain Cliffwalker says: Have mercy, Warchief.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Mercy... Your wife and child were murdered. Your kin wiped out. Your home burned to the ground.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Mercy... Chieftain, on this day I learn from you.
Garrosh Hellscream says: <name>, Krom'gar's army is no more. Your rank no longer has meaning. If you wish to truly help the Horde, your considerable power could be used in Desolace or in Southern Barrens.
Garrosh Hellscream says: The choice is yours to make.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Let honor guide you, <name>. Do not forget that Hellscream's eyes are always upon you.
Mists of PandariaThis section concerns content exclusive to Mists of Pandaria.
Dominance Offensive quests
Garrosh Hellscream says: Do you see, champion? There is little my Horde cannot accomplish. What is this?
Garrosh Hellscream says: Vol'jin, what are you doing here? Shouldn't you be on your island kissing frogs?
Vol'Jin says: The question is, what are WE doin' here? Yeh bring dis war to anudder corner of Azeroth
Garrosh Hellscream says: Your lack of vision is why your people are still primitives, and your lack of loyalty is why I did not summon the Darkspear for this campaign.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Look around you, Vol'jin. This land is rich in resources: wood, stone, iron, fuel. And people.
Garrosh Hellscream says: A show of might on these shores will make the Pandaren think twice about joining the Alliance.
Garrosh Hellscream says: This is the difference between me and you, Vol'jin. I won't let MY people starve to death in the desert. I will stop at nothing - NOTHING - to ensure a proud and glorious future for the orcs and anyone with the courage to stand with us. Wait here.
Garrosh HellscreamAll dis bloodshed make everyone tink twice 'bout joinin' da Horde.
Garrosh Hellscream: whispers to Rak'gor Bloodrazor
Garrosh Hellscream says: There is something you can do, troll, to demonstrate your value to the Horde. A mission in the heart of this continent.
Vol'Jin says: I will go, but only as a witness for my people. Someone's gotta keep you in check, Garrosh.
Patch 5.4
The Trailer for the Siege of Orgrimmar dialogue
A chest is wheeled out in a chest to Garrosh Hellscream, standing in the excavation site in the Veil of Eternal Blossoms.
Garrosh Hellscream says: Hmmmm, it thirsts!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Bring it to the pools!
Garrosh walks past the fight between Garrosh's Horde and the Pandaren, Horde and Alliance.
A wild Taran Zhu appears! From a shroud of mist.
Taran Zhu yells: Enough!
Taran Zhu says: You have run rampant for far too long, Hellscream! But that stops now!
Garrosh Hellscream says: Mwahahahaha, step aside Pandaren, you confront a force beyond reckoning.
Taran Zhu says: Your father dabbled in powers beyond reckoning. Where is he now?
Garrosh Hellscream yells: AAAAAARRGGHHH!
A fight breaks out, Garrosh is physically stronger, but Taran Zhu is a ninja, so it's all good. Garrosh charges and swings Gorehowl but embeds it in the wooden planks below. Taran Zhu swings back with his staff, only for Garrosh to grab it! Taran Zhu then attempts to blast Garrosh back with magic, but Garrosh is too powerful, and Taran Zhu slides back along the planks.
Garrosh roars again, and swings at Taran Zhu, Taran Zhu catches the blow in his staff, and forms a quick disarming maneuver. Gorehowl slides past Taran Zhu. Garrosh doesn't like this, not one bit, Taran Zhu looks up, only to see Garrosh's first coming towards him. Garrosh punches him in the face! Taran Zhu falls off the plank, he's about to hit the water when he ninja jumps upwards and returns the blow with an upward strike on Garrosh's jaw.
Taran Zhu says: I have fought beside the Trolls, Tauren and others, you are nothing like them.
As Taran Zhu launches himself in the air, to perform a final ninja kick blow. However Garrosh leaps aside, and Taran Zhu gets his foot stuck in the planks.
Garrosh grabs a nearby chain and whips it round at Taran Zhu.
Garrosh Hellscream yells: They are no longer a part of my new Horde!
Garrosh then uses the chain to pull Taran Zhu to him, impaling him on Gorehowl.
Taran Zhu says: The world will... hear of this... they will... come for you
Garrosh Hellscream says: Yes! I'm counting on it
Vision of many ships coming for Garrosh, Horde, Alliance, Mercenaries, and all other associated hanger ons.
Garrosh Hellscream says: The armies of the world will come for me, and within my fortress they will face all the terrible creatures I have wrought, the boundless power I have mastered. And one by one they will fall at my feet. Any who would rise against my new Horde will be impaled upon the spires of Orgrimmar!
Garrosh Hellscream says: You Pandaren try to bury your hate and your anger, but such power cannot be contained.
Garrosh Hellscream yells: It must be unleashed!
Garrosh breaks open the chest, showing Y'Shaarj's beating heart, Taran Zhu watches saddened, as a butterfly turns the colour of a sha, and then turns to dust.
Taran Zhu says: A time will come, when you will answer for your crimes!
Garrosh tips the chest into the waters.
Garrosh Hellscream yells: I answer to no one!
A massive vortex of evil Sha energies erupts from the pool, making a terrible mess of the Veil. Garrosh walks along the planks as the massive Sha explosion takes place behind him.
Garrosh Hellscream says: All who challenge me will burn in the fires of my hatred!
- The PvE server, Garrosh US, is named after Garrosh Hellscream.
- The news on Garrosh Hellscream becoming warchief when Cataclysm launched was welcomed by a large number of players objecting on that. One player posted on the WoW forums a long list of warchiefs that would be better than Garrosh.
- Though Thrall calls Garrosh "boy" in the pre-WotLK event, looking at the timeline and reading Beyond the Dark Portal suggests Garrosh is actually older.
- Garrosh's appearance (bulky with a shaved head) is practically the inverse of Grom's (lean with long hair).
- Garrosh initially appears to be a Fury Warrior, dual wielding Bleeding Crescents. After his extended tour of duty in Northrend and receiving Gorehowl from Thrall, however, he appear in Cataclysm wielding his father's axe alone; presumably, he was taught the finer point of Arms from the best.
- Garrosh somehow created a new weapon called Xal'atoh.
This article or section includes speculation, observations or opinions possibly supported by lore or by Blizzard officials. It should not be taken as representing official lore.
- ^ BtDP, #
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- ^ Ulduar Official Trailer
- ^ World of Warcraft: The Magazine Issue 1, pg 19
- ^ Forum:Cataclysm in PC Gamer UK (Nov 09)
- ^ Comic-Con 2010
- ^ The Shattering by Christie Golden
- ^ The Warchief Cometh
- ^ World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Features - Lore. Retrieved on 2009-10-11.
- ^ Mists of Pandaria 2012 Press Event. Wowhead News. Retrieved on 2012-03-19.
- ^ Zarhym 2012-05-04. [us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4850775205?page=4#64 #64 - Anduin goes Neutral - Really?]. Official Community > General Discussion forum (US). I know what was said during the press tour, but don't be so sure yet that you know who the next warchief will be. The information provided during the press tour was... not entirely accurate.
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