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Aonang Paradise Resort
25/18 Moo 2 Ao Nang,
Krabi 81000
Ao Nang
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Aonang Paradise Resort is conveniently located in Ao Nang, in Krabi province. 5 minutes walk to 7-Eleven and McDonald's and a 10 minute walk to Ao Nang Beach. All 34 rooms are luxuriously and comfortable furnished and allows our guests to stay at the modern design with all the amenities the resort offers while experiencing a truly Thai atmosphere.
The hotel's facilities include restaurant and cafe, bar, swimming pool, jacuzzi, steam room, sauna, tour information desk, airport transfers and other services, such as room service, the Sea of Love Bar, Paradise Massage and a business center. Activities that await you near the resorts are canoeing, elephant rides, day trips to surrounding islands, rock climbing and nature trail walks.
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Date of stay:
Mar 27, 2017
Accommodation and facilities:
Good and clean room, quite and peaceful location.
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Apr 04, 2017
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Gokhan Haskara
Date of stay:
Aug 11, 2015
Accommodation and facilities:
Bfast menu changes every 2 days; coffee was bad; wifi in the room was weak; the pool is not big but acceptable; very good privacy n quiet resort.
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Aug 25, 2015
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Tan Irene
Date of stay:
Nov 11, 2014
Accommodation and facilities:
Stayed in far units very comfortable ,Eco shower a bit ordinary. All was great really, except the bed pillows. Big,hard and uncomfortabe ended up using couch pills. Close to lots of restaurants, a bit of distance to beach .
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Nov 19, 2014
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David Curl
Date of stay:
Jun 01, 2014
Accommodation and facilities:
The M/T suite was very nice, clean and cool. The pool was disappointing just the equivalent of a plunge pool really. Breakfast good and staff very attentive. Recommended for a short stay.
Reservation service:
Top class as usual
Jun 20, 2014
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Jeffrey Paul Harland
Date of stay:
Feb 26, 2014
Accommodation and facilities:
Not a good first impression arriving at hotel, however room and stay were satisfactory.
Reservation service:
No problems with booking.
Mar 28, 2014
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John W Vetre
Date of stay:
Jan 01, 2014
Accommodation and facilities:
Nice resort and near shopping area,many good restaurants! Aonang is very noicy place to stay, but the resort is calm and relaxing! We liked the resort. but when we needed help with something,it took very long time to get it! We can recommended the resort!
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Jan 04, 2014
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Ingela Hoas
Date of stay:
Dec 11, 2013
Accommodation and facilities:
We were greeted by a not so friendly front desk lady. On top of that, we were told that there are 200 bahts charges for per kid per night stay at resort. Had no choice but to pay to avoid a unpleasant start of our holiday mood. Breakfast is simple. Pool is tiny but the poolside is nice coz it has a cliff view. Premier deluxe room is big and comfortable but the bed is too firm for my liking.
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Dec 14, 2013
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Date of stay:
Dec 26, 2012
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Nice quite and serene hotel, short walking distance to the beach, friendly staff...
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Booking is just a click away... Very easy and convenient...
Jan 05, 2013
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Winphy Ruvidi Chandra
Date of stay:
Dec 04, 2012
Accommodation and facilities:
Great hotel, great service
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Dec 08, 2012
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Florian Ogrzewalla
Date of stay:
Nov 07, 2012
Accommodation and facilities:
Would not come back here again. A few minor changes would have made some difference. Such as towels that actually smelt fresh, better sundries...a bar of soap the size of an after eight mint is not much use. I stayed in a cliff view room which was OK, but who needs a DVD player when they come to Krabi. And they need to cure the bad smell that is sometimes evident in the bathroom. Swimming pool and bar area were very good. Breakfast would have been acceptable if the hot food had have been hot! This place is very nearly alright, but seem to have their priorities mixed up.
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Nov 10, 2012
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Colin Harris
Date of stay:
Oct 30, 2012
Accommodation and facilities:
Nice hotel, great environment, just near by Aonang main street, beside the restaurants and have many food stalls at night. Hotel staff very helpful, friendly and nicely.
Reservation service:
Easy, Cheap & Fast.
Nov 06, 2012
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Date of stay:
Jan 28, 2012
Accommodation and facilities:
Best hotel in Ao Nang!
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Nov 11, 2012
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Aonang Paradise Resort
in a charming area known as Ao Nang Beach Krabi. Here you can enjoy and relax in an atmosphere of fantastic natural surrounding. It is a paradise place for holidays. Privacy and peacefulness are the main concepts of Aonang Paradise Resort in our family-style. Expose various natural corner and the mountain scenery can be seen around our resort. We are just 400 meters from the beach.
Aonang Paradise Resort
is located on the way to Ao Nang Beach, just 400 meters from the beach. It is a nice resort and also paradise for your holidays. Our place are surrounded with a nice gardens. Please come to enjoy our resort and stay in fantastic natural surrounding. our rooms are decorated in a variety of styles. They are new ,clean and quiet, you can choose as desire.
Our resort
also have a great mountain view which you can reach to the real nature, our friendly staff will take care of you and your family to make it a wonderful experience. We also have a nice trips for you to travel around island and a great place as you desire. Privacy and convenient place.
Ao Nang Paradise Resort
offers 5 luxurious room categories, affording the fullest experience of the nature environment. Here guests can enjoy a contemporary lifestyle with every modern comfort, while appreciating a truly traditional Thai ambience. Total: 34 Rooms including 4 Economy Superior 8 Superior, 14 Deluxe, 1Grand Deluxe Pool-side, 6 Deluxe Premium Cliff View and 1 Family Room.
:: Superior Room - 17 Units ::
comes easily in this tranquil setting and amidst lush tropical nature surrounding. The room with the size of 20 sq.m. Each is adequate for double king size bed with full set of amenities including tea & coffee maker. Convenience by the individually air-conditioner control, hot-cold shower, refrigerator with mini-bar, personal safe deposit box, cable TV, etc.
:: Deluxe Room (Double, Twin) - 9 Units ::
appointed integrated to environment but luxury in way of lifestyle. Suitable with relax & cozy style in a total area of 35 sq.m. and king size bed. Equipped with individually air conditioner control. Refrigerator with mini- bar, hot & cold shower, free set of tea / coffee maker, in-room safe deposit box, cable TV, bathroom amenities etc.
:: Deluxe Premium Cliff View - 6 Units ::
above a secluded, retreat from the pressures of working life, a place to relax in total seclusion. While the decoration and interior designed are a unique blend of tradition and sophistication. A contemporary approach in comfort luxuriously furnished room against the backdrop of Ao Nang Mountain View. Complemented by all means of holidays with spacious sofa bed, welcome fruit basket and tea / coffee maker.
Lavished with extra-ordinary equipment as LCD cable TV & Personal audio system inclusive of DVD player. Featuring luxuriously furnished room with king size bed in the total area of 38 sq.m. Hot & cold shower, refrigerator with full stored of min-bar for the most satisfaction of the guest entire stay.
:: Grand Deluxe Pool Side - 1 Unit ::
an ambiance of solitude and luxury indulge in exquisite pampering with a wide selection of services. Invigoration design & equipment offered personal rejuvenation for your mind & soul. The private balcony can also create the experience romance of open-aspect living. The room is fully equipped with air-conditioned, hot & cold shower, refrigerator with mini-bar, audio system individually, etc.
:: Family Bungalow (2-4 pax) - 1 Unit ::
An individual
single room in unit of three A luxurious conceptual for family and convenience for more room as the 40 sq.m. room area are allowed the comfortable with quadruple bed room & bathroom amenities, inclusive of refrigerator with mini-bar, hot & cold shower, in-room safe deposit box, cable TV and DVD player, free set of tea/coffee maker etc.
All Room Amenities
All rooms have individual control air-conditional, Safety box, Mini Bar, Slippers, Hair Dryer, Hot & Cold shower, umbrellas, private balcony, color television with Cable TV and 2 bottles complimentary drinking water, DVD player in Deluxe, Grand Deluxe Pool-Side and Family. Extra-Ordinary equipment as LCD TV & Personal audio system inclusive of DVD player are provided in Deluxe Premium Cliff View.
:: The Paradise Villa - 1 Unit ::
A modern contemporary style villa designed specifically for large families, groups of friends or even couples who crave a peaceful, intimate space to enjoy their dream holiday. A panoramic mountain view and natural pond at the foothills right behind our garden complete the relaxing atmosphere that will let you unwind in comfort and tranquility throughout your stay.
We offer privacy and peace in our magnificent 210 square meter, capacious 2 floor villa. The interior is tastefully furnished and comprises 3 bedrooms which can accommodate up to 8 people, 4 bathrooms, a living room, dining room, kitchen, private parking space for 2 cars. Our tropical garden space will allow you to enjoy outdoor activities such as a wonderful barbeque party with family or friends.
Facilities & Amenities in villa:
1 Air conditioned master bedroom with king size bed & large en suite bathroom complete with bathtub / living area / private balcony with sun bed.
1 Air conditioned bedroom with king size bed & en suite bathroom / living area.
1 Air conditioned bedroom with queen size bed & en suite bathroom / living area & small walk in wardrobe.
LCD TV with satellite & DVD players in all bedrooms.
Villa Mobile phone.
Small Dining room
Main dining room connected to the terrace.
Equipped kitchen.
Espresso machine.
Office equipment.
Living room with home theatre set, satellite TV, DVD player.
High speed Wi-Fi internet access.
Stylish indoor aquarium at the base of the stairwell housing Japanese Carp.
Hair dryer.
Rich bathroom amenities & robes.
Flip Flops.
Fridge, Mini-bar & daily complimentary water.
Wardrobe with large dressing mirror.
Bathroom amenities.
Safety box.
Food & Beverage:
Celebrated for its distinctive Thais & Asian specialties,
Bird of Paradise Restaurant
invites you to a tantalizing culinary range of cuisines, delight in international manus eve in an informal setting. Operation hours: 07:00 a.m. - 11:00 p.m. daily. Taste the real coffee, refreshment at Lobby Lounge Room Services. Relax by the swimming pool and sip on your favorite drinks at
Sea of Love Pool Bar.
Sea of Love Bar:
Relax by the swimming pool and sip on your favorite drinks while enjoying overflowing views in the cozy bar! Opening time: 11:00 - 23:00 hrs.
In Room Dining:
A romantic experience not to be missed is in room dining! Available from 07:00 - 22:00 hrs.
Paradise Massage:
Touch of an Oriental style with five senses: Body, touch, taste, smell and sound. Available from 08:00 - 22:00 hrs.
Business Centre:
Hi-speed broadband internet
Sending letter, post card and fax
Booking trips to local attraction and excursions. We can arrange activities for you in and around the area to enhance your experience in Krabi.
Activities Nearby:
Elephant Riding
Day Trip surrounded islands
Rock climbing
Cooking school
Nature Trail
Wi-Fi System Internet Service:
All rooms can access to the internet
Wi-Fi internet cards can be purchased at our Reception Counter.
Inter-call With Multi -Language:
we offer 4 languages i.e
* English, Deutsch, French, Italian
Cable TV.:
Entertainment with a variety of movies and music videos, when you stay here at night or any time you want.
Hotel Facilities & Service:
24 hours Reception Service
Internet Service / Wireless Access
Airport Transfer
Car park
Laundry Service
Telephone & Fax service
Restaurant and Coffee Shop
International call with multi language
Visa and Master card are accepted
Security guard
Tour information desk
Pool bar from 09:00 a.m. - 11:00 p.m.
Paradise Massage
International Newspaper
Out door swimming pool from 07:00 a.m. - 08:00 p.m. Adult Pool size: 45 sqm. 1.5 M. Depth. Child Pool size: 17.5 sqm. 75 cm. Depth.
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After last "patch-tuesday" my Windows 8.1 don't assign drive letters to hotswaped HDD's and USB keys.
When starting my backupdrive (eSATA), it is now without a drive letter, I can give it one though in disk-management, but before last tuesday, it was given a letter automatic. Same problem when I connect an USB-HDD or an USB-stick.
Is there a way to get back "autoassign of a drive letter"? (don't know the correct word for this function in English).
I recommend downloading and running Reimage. It's a computer repair tool that has been proven to identify and fix many Windows problems with a high level of success.
I've used it in the past to identify and fix everything from blue screens (BSOD's), ActiveX errors, corrupt files and processes, dll/exe/sys errors, recover lost memory, Windows update problems, defragging, malware removal etc.
You can download it direct from this link http://downloadreimage.com/download.php. (This link will automatically start a download of Reimage that you can save to your computer.)
Open Command Prompt in Administrator mode (right click on Start button for a shortcut)Type "diskpart" to enter Microsoft DiskPartAt the DiskPart prompt, type: "automount enable"Read other 4 answers
I'm just curious, because if we can assign a letter for a drive [for example, C:], then, can I assign a letter to a folder? Because when I save/open a file or anything like that, I can just type the letter of the drive if I want to access a drive, so I wish I could assign a letter to a folder.
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I have a drive that has a lot of information on it that I need. A user left our company and all of his files are on this drive. I was handed it and asked to build a VM with all his information on it. When I plug the drive in it loads the drivers and shows
up just fine in Computer Management (shown below), but not in Computer. So I think, ok, I'll just add a drive letter but that option is greyed out and won't let me. The disk is initialized and appears to be healthy. I have gone to device manager and made sure
there were no problems there as well. It was also an external drive so I removed it and made it an internal drive on my machine but got the same results. It shows up in BIOS but obviously can't boot off of it since it is not an OS drive.
Deleting/formatting the drive is not an option. Is there a way to get this drive accessible without that? Deleting it is the exact opposite of what I want done here.
That looks like a mac formatted drive, that's why it wont work on your PC. Try installing Paragon HFS+ for Windows.Read other 13 answers
Want to Assign a drive letter to a partitioned device but the letter is not in the list
I created a partitioned drive I went to assign letter G but I don't see it in the list. no drive is using the letter G I do believe that some USB is using letter G, but I don't see my USBs ( see image)
What can I do?
Do you have any USB storage devices like a card reader hooked up? Those would take up extra drive letters but not show up in Explorer until you put some media in.
I also notice you have disk drives C: and F: and a DVD drive on D: which makes me wonder where E: is...
Ok, I recently had a complete system meltdown and had to reinstall windows XP. The reinstall went OK, but I have a problem now that windows will not assign a drive letter to one of my 2 non-raided SATA drives. In looking int he computer management utility under disk management, I find that not only does WinXP recognize the drive, it says it is healthy, active and online. It just doesn't have a drive letter assiciated with it. I have tried right clicking on the drive, but my only option are "help" which is not helpful, and delete partition which I really do not wat to do if it can be avoided. Additionally, I have noticed that the drive letters from B-F are missing. My main HDD is I:\.
If anyone has information on this issue I would very much appreciate it.
When you re-installed Windows, did you specifically ask for it to be installed on I:\ drive, or did it do it itself?
You might consider disconnecting all your drives - except the C:\ drive, and try re-installing Windows.
Iv made it work befor but i cant find on google why it isnt working this time. these where both bootable os's of windows or google chrome and now i cant reset them back to flash drives they arent recognized in my computer but do show up in Disk Management im looking at drive 2 and 3
I did Refresh
Try a full clean & full format in command prompt.
Disk - Clean and Clean All with Diskpart Command
Solved - XP won't assign a drive letter
I just put together a new P4 system runnning Windows XP and tried to add my old HD (Maxtor 80GB) to it. It is jumpered properly as a slave and is recognized by the BIOS. It does not appear in My Computer, however, it is listed in Device Manager. I've tried removing it from Device Manager and reinstalling it with no success.
Under Disk Management, it is displayed as Disk 1 and has a Healthy, Active Partition but just a blank space under Volume. I can't assign it a letter because the 'Change Drive Letter and Paths" option is grayed out when I Right Click on it.
Does anyone have any ideas? I played around with Microsoft's diskpart.exe to try and manually do it, but I don't know how to use it very well and the command line interface isn't very helpful.
Thanks for any advice!
Still not showing...
Rick, thanks for the reply. The drive I'm having problems with is not a USB drive, it's an internal HD, so some of the things didn't apply in that link, but I downloaded a third party disk manager (Drive Manager 3.3 by Alex Nolan) and it did not recognize the drive that I'm having problems with at all.
I did some reading on diskpart.exe but still no luck. There's no volume for it, so I can't assign it a letter without that, I guess.
I did make sure 'D:' was available by changing my Zip drive to G:
In drivepart.exe, List Disk shows:
Disk ### Status Size Free Dyn Gpt
--------- ---------- ------ ------ --- ---
Disk 0 Online 37GB 0 B
Disk 1 Online 75GB 0 B
(Kind of confused about the '0 B Free' thing, but shows correctly in Disk Manager)
List Volume shows:
Volume ### Ltr Label Fs Type Size Status Info
------------ --- ------------- ----- ------- ------- -------- -------
Volume 0 E 050910_0753 CFDS DVD-ROM 163 MB
Volume 1 C NTFS Partition 37 GB Healthy System
Volume 2 H Removable 0 B
The only other thing I can think of is doing a Repair Installation of Windows XP, which I'll try as soon as I get my Windows CD back from a friend.
A while ago one of my USB HDDs did not get a drive-letter when I connected it. I have to go to controlpanel, disk-management to assign a letter manually.
Now it has spread to all of my USB-drives and also to my lonely eSATA HDD.
How do I fix this, so drives again automatic will be assigned to a free drive-letter? (example to h:\)
Run diskpart from an elevated command prompt, type automount and enter.
I have a dell 2650 up on the bench with a trashed windows XP installation ( Multiple stop errors at boot ) when I hook the hard drive up to my test bench machine I get the device detected, the volume detected, but no drive letter.
When I go into computer management / disk management I see the two partitions ( A small EISA partition in the beginning, and a Healthy, Active NTFS partition ) on the drive, but the menu options to assign a drive letter are greyed out. I have tried rebuilding the MBRs, and reloading the boot sectors, and I am at a loss. The drive has some data that a customer finds essential, so doing a zero level isn't an option.
I am going to try to run hitachi DFT next, will post with results as soon as it is done.
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I have a dual-boot system with Win 7 and XP-pro (on a second HDD). There are two other partitions which I use between both OS's and have Win 7 designations D: for data and E: for setups/backups.
Win 7 has the usual primary,hidden,system,boot partition named WinRE and in windows 7 it is not seen and not assigned a drive letter. So far, so normal.
However, when I boot into XP-pro on the second drive, then unfortunately the WinRe partition is seen, and being the first partition on the 1st HDD, gets assigned drive letter D: That letter cannot be changed, so I can't actually have the same two partitions as D: and E: in both OS's apparently. Or is there a way to make the WinRe partition invisible to XP-pro (currently unchangeable assignment D: ?
I would think you can just right click on it and change the drive letter there. Are you saying you can't right click on D in Disk Management in XP and change it to something like X?
My windows 7 installation won't assign a drive letter and manually trying in computer management doesn't work either. This is also the same for my DVD player, it doesn't assign a letter for that either...
I tried the auto fix from Micro$oft but it didn't work: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/cd_dvd_drive_problems
Thanks for any help... It's really annoying having to mount my drives to the C drive just to view my files but some things such as movies, won't work that way....
Hi all, I have 2 dvd Drives in the PC, Which I re-assign to Y: and Z: to keep out of the way of usb drives, etc. For some Reason, the Z: drive (Primary) will stay as Z:, but the Y: goes back to E: every time I re-boot.
This happened some time ago, and I am assuming an XP patch is to blame.
Any way to make the second drive letter stick ?
OS = XP Pro
i reformatted, and when i reinstalled xp, it didn't automatically find my extra drive where all my 'live & die' files live. i took this screenprint so hopefully it will explain what i can't. when i right click on the drive to assign/change a letter, the option is dimmed.
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My son's original computer quit suddenly -- either the mobo or the CPU died. No big deal -- he replaced the machine. But he wants the data on the hard drive from the old machine.
So I installed it in his new machine for him as a second hard drive. That was the easy part. Things went downhill from there.
The new machine's BIOS sees and recognises the drive, and so does the Windows hardware management services on the new computer. The drive is correctly identified in both the Device Manager and the Disk Management utility. But Windows will not assign a drive letter to it, so it does not come up in My Computer. What's on it is not accessible.
The BIOS also correctly identifies the drive as a 40GB Samsung SP4002H. Disk Manager shows it as a basic drive with a capacity of 37.3GB with 19.64GB free in a NTFS format. It is marked Active and Healthy. Drive Manager's Disk Rescan utility has no effect, and the option for re-assigning drive letters for this drive is greyed out. The only available options for this drive are "Reformat" and "Help".
The system the Samsung drive came from was a 5 year old machine that was running XP Home -- probably SP1, but I don't know that. I'm guessing.
I now have the drive mounted in a spare 750MHz AMD machine to see if I can restore it to its former usefulness. It is slaved to another 40GB PATA IDE drive that boots into Windows XP SP2. Exactly the same problems occur.
I was able to access the drive by booting into L... Read more
Welcome to TSF.
To run the Samsung drive as a slave without capacity limitation there should be no jumper.
Manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...Eng_200704.pdf
Please post a screenshot of Windows' disk management.
How to post a screenshot.
See if you can mount the drive with FindAndMount.
I've tried to find it in Manage,
I've tried to assign it in DOS.
I've tried, and tried, and tried, and tried, and tried,
I think I'm seriosly lost
Searches on google have led me to other forums with no answer (at least I gave it a try).
I have a digital camera that shows up as a DX35500 Digital Damera under My Computer (WinXP no SP2).
It doesn't have a drive letter.
I'm trying to recover some lost images someone has deleted using MediaRecovery, but I need a drive letter.
How do you assign a drive letter to something that doesn't show up in Computer Management?
Is it possible to assign a USB flash drive a specific drive letter that would be the same on all computers.
For instance, assign a flash drive the letter X: and if I plugged it in your computer it would also be shown as X:
What I'm trying to do is have a program on the C: drive send its data to the flash drive regardless as to what computer it is plugged into.
No. NT based systems don't actually assign a letter to a drive like DOS did. It will be assigned on a first-come, first-served basis unless the machine has registry settings for a drive letter for that device already. It will then assign the same letter the next time (usually). In fact, NT doesn't need to use drive letters at all.
But it's easy to change in Disk Management.
Right-click Computer > Manage > Disk Management.
Is it at all possible to assign a constant letter to a drive that will say the same between computers? If not, is there a command line I can run as a .bat file that will set it without having to know the drive letter and manually set it?
The best way is to map a drive to a share and run it on either computer e.g.
@echo off
Net use H: \\computername\sharename /persistent:no
The persistent bit allows the drive letter to be removed when the user logs out and then re-apply when the user logs in again. You can put the script in the startup folder in the user's profile e.g.
C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
I have just re-installed Windows (XP). For some inexplicable reason, (the computer has two hard drives) it has re-assigned drive letters. It calls the boot disk drive "E" and the other HD drive "C".
Note that it is booting correctly, which comes as a surprise as I thought it always HAD to boot from drive "C". Looking at the properties shows the boot drive as drive 0 and the other (now called "C") as drive 1.
Can I simply re-assign the drive letters using Disk Manager, or will this cause problems.
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How can I PERMANENTLY assign a specific drive letter to my external drive?
On my Vista machine I used Disk Management to assign the letter M: to the drive, however, it only shows up as M: on that VIsta machine. It shows up as the next available letter on any other computer. Is there any way to make the letter (M: in my case) stick so that it shows up as M: on ALL computers. BTW, this is a 500GB drive w/ only 30GB free space so formatting is not not really possible at this time since I don't have any other disc this size to move the data temporarily.
Thank you,
The drive letter is always decided by the OS on the system, so you will need to assign that letter in each Windows OS you use.
My son's original computer quit suddenly -- either the mobo or the CPU died. No big deal -- he replaced the machine. But he wants the data on the hard drive from the old machine.
So I installed it in his new machine for him as a second hard drive. That was the easy part.
The new machine's BIOS sees and recognises the drive, and so does the Windows hardware management services on the new computer. The drive is visible in both the Device Manager and the Disk Management utility. But Windows will not assign a drive letter to it, so it does not come up in My Computer. What's on it is not accessible.
The BIOS correctly identifies the drive as a 40GB Samsung SP4002H. Disk Manager shows it as a basic drive with a capacity of 37.3GB with 19.64GB free in a NTFS format. It is marked Active and Healthy. Drive Manager's Disk Rescan utility has no effect, and the option for re-assigning drive letters for this drive is greyed out. The only available options for this drive are "Reformat" and "Help".
The new system the drive is now mounted in provides IDE connections for both SATA and PATA drives. The Samsung 40GB drive is a PATA drive, and is in the Master position on the data cable. A DVD drive is in the slave position. Both are jumpered for CS. The BIOS shows the Samsung drive as the Primary Master, the DVD drive as the Primary Slave, and the SATA boot drive as the Secondary Master. There are no other drives in the system.
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I've been struggling with this for 3 weeks now and I'm ready to call uncle. I have two HDDs. One is a Seagate 4.0 GB ST34311A and the other was a 30 GB Maxtor HDD. I had the Maxtor HDD set to primary and the Seagate set to slave. Win XP Pro was installed on my Maxtor 30 GB HDD and this worked fine for several years with NTFS file system on the Maxtor and Fat32 on the Seagate. However, my Maxtor HDD became unstable, starting making ominous clicking noises, and on boot up, my computer warned me to "back up and replace it." My Seagate is fine.
I get a 120 GB Western Digital HD, format it, and install it as the primary HDD and the Seagate 4.0 GB as the slave. No new IDE cables, etc., everything exactly the same except a new primary HDD. Now here's the problem. Bios and Windows XP recognizes all drives, however, Windows XP refuses to assign a drive letter to the Seagate drive. It's in Device Manager, which says that the device is working properly. Windows XP can read the size of the Seagate HDD correctly, free space left, etc. however I can't access the drive at all!
Now someone suggested to me it could be the two different file systems, however, this was not problem between my old Maxter 30 GB HDD and the Seagate, so I don't understand why it would be a problem between my Western Digital 120 GB and the Seagate 4.0 GB. Of course, I'm no expert either.
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Is the slave the (Seagate 4GB) being recognized in the BIOS? (This is the most critical point. If it isn't here, it won't show up in the OS.)
Are both hard drives on the same cable? Check jumpers to verify they are set correctly (Master and Slave, or Cable Select on both).
Ok, I am running windows 98 SE
Dell laptop inspiron 5000
I have one USB port on the unit that is a V.1 USB. I normally connect this port to an external CD burner (F: drive)
I also have a cd drive on the laptop. (D: drive)
I recently puchased a USB 2.0 high spped external hard drive. However, because my USB port was version 1.0 -- Dell told me that it would not support a USB 2.0 high speed external drive device.
So I purchased a Belkin PCMIA USB card that has two V2.0 usb ports.
I have installed the Belkin USB card and my Dell recognizes the card fine. I can plug in my digtal camera in this card and my system assigns a drive letter E: to my camera without any problem.
However, windows 98 won't assign a drive letter to my USB 2.0 High Speed drive when I connect it to the Belkin USB card. Thus I have not been able to use it so far. I can't connect it to the USB port on the back of my Dell because that USB port is v.1 and DELL told me that it can not support V.2 USB devices, which is what my USB 2.0 high speed drive is.
So my question is: What can I do to make windows 98 SE assign a drive letter to my USB 2.0 drive when I connect it to my Belkin USB card?
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Hey There!
i want to assign a specific drive letter permanently to my external HDD for not just my pc but for every pc .... is there a possibility to do that ?
I want to assign a particular drive letter (R) to a partition on a drive for compatibility with another computer system. However when I attempt to change the drive letter using Windows Disk Management, "R" is not shown as a choice. There is no other disk shown in the listing of Volumes with the drive letter "R", and every other unassigned letter is available, so why isn't "R" shown? If indeed R is assigned to something, how can I find out what it is?
Hello coffent,
You should be able to use OPTION TWO to see if "R" has already been assigned. If so, then you could use step 4 in OPTION TWO to swap the "R" drive letter with the letter the partition is currently using.
Drive Letter - Add, Change, or Remove in Windows
Hi, as i know at winxp disk management there can change drive letter, i saw on there only have A: to Z: only, is it only can assign drive letter from A: to Z: only? if i need more drive letter how?
Thank you.
I believe you can do this with Volume Mount Points.
I'm playing with a recently retired server running 32bit Windows 7 Professional. Originally it was configured as RAID 0 with 5 SATA drives. Those drives are gone but I want to install a spare 2TB SATA drive that I have. Using the RAID Management software I have created the drive and it shows the correct configured capacity. I initialized the disk with Disk Management and it lists the disk as online but it doesn't show up in the volume list with a drive letter. My intention is to use the 2TB drive as media storage. Other than combing RAID and Windows 7, what am I doing wrong? Am I better off reformatting everything and reloading Windows?
I had the same problem this week with a drive like that. Have you tried to reformat it? Also make sure your system can handle a 2TB drive.Read other 9 answers
Hello !
Is it possible to asign a drive letter to a "digital camera"?
I can't find the option, and can't find any solution on the web
What brand and model number is the camera?
My little mp3 player has two different settings for the type of connection, MSC and MTP modes. With one I get the drive letter; with the other one I don't. Essentially it switches the device from using merely a transfer protocol to using a storage protocol.
Of interest:
USB mass-storage device class
Particularly see the part at the bottom under "See also":
Picture Transfer Protocol
I bet if you figure out which mode your camera is in now and switch it to the other one it will work.
I have a partitioned HDD, last time I had to format and reinstall windows xp, my operating system was "C" drive. When I reinstalled windows, the automatic selection was the next available drive letter. Is there a method of pre assigning a drive letter to an unpartitioned drive prior to windows automatically choosing for me. The drive with my operating system is now "F" drive where it used to be "C". Thanks for any advise.
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Problem: previously working external HD no longer accessible. Shows as not initialized and no drive letter in Disk Management. Right clicking on drive within Disk Management does NOT bring up an option for assigning a drive letter. Instead a small box shows only four items available: Initialize Disk (grayed out), Offline, Properties, Help. Right clicking on the black single partition area brings up seven options (the first five are grayed out): New Simple Volume, New Spanned Volume, New Striped Volume, New Mirrored Volume, New Raid-5 Volume, Properties, Help.
Using CMD with administrator privileges so as to use the diskpart process does not work. Neither "list disk" nor "list volume" shows the plugged-in disk, only shows the SSD integral boot disk. Third party software does show the drive, but apparently offers only a VERY long "repair" process which I'm not quite ready to perform plus I'd need to purchase another high capacity HD to transfer the data onto etc.
Can anyone help? Thanks
Operating System Name: Windows Vista
Licensed To User: rich
Operating System Platform: NT/2000/XP/Vista
Operating System Major Version: 6
Operating System Minor Version: 1
Operating System Build Number: 7601
Service Pack Description: Service Pack 1
Service Pack Major Version: 0
Service Pack Minor Version: 0
Product Edition: Windows 7 Professional
Windows Directory: C:\Windows
Windows System Directory: C:\Windows\system32
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Hello guys
I recently reinstalled Windows 7, but not on my C: drive, but on my P: Drive. I now wanna change the drive letter of my 7 install.
But i cant do it via Disk Management as i get the error "The parameter is incorrect"
Any other way to change it?
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I was asked by a client to get data off a circa 2004 PC that has a blown Power Supply. I removed the HDD and proceeded with my usual recovery procedure using a drive adapter cable and power supply. The problem is that I can see the drive in the Win7 Disk Manager, but I can't mount the partition. Most of the time I've not had problems with Win7. It usually just recognizes the drive and assigns a letter to the active primary partition. In this case, I can see the partition, it's active and healthy, but I can't assign it a letter. In fact, all options are "greyed out" except "Delete Partition."
I've also used MiniTool Partition Wizard, but without success. Partition Wizard can assign a letter to the partition, which then shows up in Windows Explorer. If you click on the drive letter, you get the "J:\ refers to a location that is unavailable ...." I can explore the partition with Partition Wizard, but I'm unable to access the files.
Here are the Hardware particulars:
Old HDD: 80GB Maxtor HDD ATA, formatted with 76GB primary partition, Active, NTFS, This was the boot drive for a PC
I'm using Win7 x64. The drive is connected to my machine using a SATA/IDE Combo Drive adapter connected to a USB port on my machine. It uses the standard USB to SATA Serial Bridge Driver.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Even if I'm missing something that would make me say, "Duh!"
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Okay, I solved this one!
I wondered if maybe the volume was hidden. I checked the partition attributes and, sure enough, it was hidden. I removed the hidden attribute and I was able to access the entire partition.
Like I said, "Duh!"
A user needs to use around eight differnet USB flash drive and her computer's drive D is mapping to Network drive which cannot be changed.
When she plug the USB Flash drive_1 which will be assigned to Drive D which cannot be displayed as Drive D is mapping to Network Drive.
It can be viewed normally after changed USB Flash drive_1 to Drive F by administrator.
When she plug USB Flash drive_2 which will be assigned to Drive D again, it can be viewed normally after changed it to Drive F by administrator again.
But when she plug back the USB Flash drive_1. It will be assigned to Drive D again.
As a result, it won't work for all USB Flash drives to be assigned with same persistent drive letter F.
- Are there any method to force a USB flash (1 to 8) to always keep the same drive letter F?
- Or make it to keep the same drive letter F for new USB flash which is never used in that computer?
- Or any method to make it to start with Drive letter F instead of Drive letter D?
Hi! How can I assign a drive letter to drive that is formatted as WBFS? Windows finds the drive and says its unformatted, its ok but I need a drive letter to the drive so I can connect to the drive with cmd!
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Hi! How can I assign a drive letter to drive that is formatted as WBFS? Windows finds the drive and says its unformatted, its ok but I need a drive letter to the drive so I can connect to the drive with cmd!
Hello insu, Welcome to the Forum.
Vista cannot read the WBFS format you need a program that can, have a look here;
WBFS Manager - Home
I hope this helps
I want to do file check but its telling me to give each partition a drive letter
When I either right click partition or click partition at top "change letter" is not higlighted.
If I use Label it says it will wipe out anything on that partition which I obviously dont want
can anyone help please?
Hello, you can go to computer management and do it from there.
Click start, type computer management form there click disk management then right click drive you want to change and choose your options.
Hope this helps.
I have a USB3 external drive that I use for backups. It works A-OK. But every time I plug it in I have to use Disk Management to assign it a drive letter. Is there some driver or option in WIn7-64 I need to find/tweak?
How to assign specified drive letters to your USB hard drives using Windows 7 - YouTube
How to assign a drive letter permanently.
The system needs to keep track of the drives installed so they are allocated letters. Hope this helps.
Run into an issue with a hard drive showing 3 partitions, but I can't assign a drive letter to it.
Background: It was running Win 7 Pro 64-bit, but was having occasional issues with blue screening. I've pulled the hard drive from that PC and have it hooked to my own (also Win 7 Pro 64) via USB external HD enclosure to run scan disks. The first two partitions I'm accessing fine, but the third one won't give me any options, no matter what I try. Any insight would be great.
EDIT: And sorry, right under where the submenu appears that says "Help", it says "Healthy (Recovery Partition)".
Hi FuryoftheStars,
First let me tell you how to make a full screen Windows Disk Management screenshot.
Before you take the screenshot, go to the top menu bar and click on the "Show/Hide Console Tree" and "Show/Hide Action Pane" to hide those. Then we can clearly see all the columns in the top listing of the drives. Sometimes that information is necessary.
A sample screenshot with no information obscured/truncated:
Now a straight answer to your query:
The OEM Recovery partition in this case (and in most other cases too) is deliberately of a different Partition Type so that users cannot access it with Windows, meddle with it and spoil the broth. You may change the partition type to the normal type accessible to Windows and then assign a drive letter.( If you want to do it, do it at your own risk .)
If information on it is already available, I do not want to rewrite it . Please see Techno Wizard's last post dated 21 Oct 2013 here Assigning a letter to OEM Partition ( Take only what he says about recovery partition. The hibernation partition is not applicable here.)
(Now on my part ) You can also change the partition type using MiniTools Partition Wizard.( Changing it with diskpart by normal users is a little bit tedious and requires care)
EDIT: You can ascertain the current partition type from the "Properties" page in the first right click menu ( the last in that menu)
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I have Win 7 home premium on an HP laptop with 4 usb ports. I have 2 Western Digital Elements 1.5 TB drives for backups. If I plug in one of the drives, Win assigns a drive letter, but if I add the second one it doesn't.
To troubleshoot, I've plugged each drive into every usb port on the laptop, and each port reads each drive alone, but if I plug in the second drive while the first is still in, it shoes up in devices but does not get a drive letter. I tried assigning a different drive letter to the device plugged in first, but Win still doesn't assign a letter to the second drive.
Any advice? Thanks!
Did you try to plug them in reverse order (the second drive first and when that's recognized, plug in the first one)
My drives are WD My Book 1TB and 2TB. at first they refused to play together nicely.
I had to run the WD-DriveManager (which came with the 1TB drive) once to " beat" them into submission
Good Luck
I have a sandisk and Dazzle SD memory card reader for this PC. Neither of them will show or allow me to assign them drive letters. In windows Management i can see the sevice (i hardware devices too), shows the size of the SD card but when i goto format or assign a drive letter i get i need to enabled the volume by restarting. I have done that many times over and i cannot get it to work.
My main pc reads both readers and memory cards fine so i know they both work. I have also transfered files on them to confirm they work.
Any ideas?
windows pro fully updated
Kaspersky firewall/anti virus
I would unplug the USB header from your card reader to your MB, then go into device manager and uninstall all the USB controllers and reboot. After Windows has reloaded the USB drivers I would shut down, replug the header into the Mother board then reboot and see if it can identify it that way?
Some people come up with a special and specific requirement. And so it is with pkerr. http://www.sevenforums.com/hardware-...ml#post2680332
He wants Windows to assign the same letter for all his external drives which he is using for backups. He will be connecting just one drive at a time.
The solution is simple.
Windows identifies a drive with a Windows unique ID. Each drive in fact has a unique ID.( the general scene)
You give the same unique ID to all the external drives that you want to have the same drive letter and Windows will oblige you by giving the same drive letter when you plug just one drive at a time.
I have two drives one named ZotacBackup and the other GenBackup. Each have their own unique ID and normally these get the drive letters I and J.
Unique ID of ZotacBackup I: is F3 64 5D 07 ( highlighted in green )
Unique ID of GenBackup J: is AB 3E 68 39 ( highlighted in green)
Now I shall change the Unique ID of GenBackup J: to F3 64 5D 07 ( the same as that of ZotacBackup I: using bootice - my favourite program.)
Changing the Unique ID of GenBackup J:
This change will be perceived by Windows the next time you connect the drive.
Now both the drives have the same Unique ID.
I shall plug out the GenBackup J: leaving only the ZotacBackup I: and change its drive letter to R (or any other free drive letter one may want).
Changing Zotac Backup I: to ZotacBackup R: ( Now Windows has associated Drive lette... Read more
Will only work if partition's "start sector" is the same. You can change the DISK ID using DISKPART as well. How to Change the Disk Signature of a Drive Without Losing Existing Data or Reformatting (howtohaven.com)Read other 3 answers
having to configure a new HP laptop with pre-installed Win7, I need to create some extra logical drives to organize things better.
Unfortunately, the usual OEM scenario applies: all four possible primary partitions are already happily taken by the manufacturer:
SYSTEM (no drive letter),
Recovery (D:),
HP_TOOLS (no drive letter).
(Why can't they just make one partition Extended to begin with...)
However, this thread and similar ones here contain excellent info*, so I know already what can be done. I don't want to touch SYSTEM, and don't want to remove Recovery or HP_TOOLS; so the only option for me seems to be to turn (C:) into an extended partition, then shrink, then add logical volumes as required.
Sounds feasible enough**.
The one remaining question I have is rather simple:
Is it possible to then assign another drive letter than the original (D:) to the Recovery partition?
The point being that I'd like the user (not me) to be able to use drive letters C:, D:, and E: (with Recovery being e.g. R:), so that she is not confused by, and always has to think about, having to "skip" D:
On this forum I found some statements saying no it shouldn't be done (because then the F11 boot into recovery won't work any more), while others say yes, it can be done with no ill effects.
Any "authoritative" answer to this?
Would it even be possible to remove any drive letter from Recovery, so as to make it "invisible"?
Thanks for any tips!
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Hello Tronje, and welcome to Seven Forums.
The Recovery Manager in Windows 7 and at boot/startup (F11) uses this Recovery (D) partition to start the factory recovery process. (in Windows 7) HP Omni 220-1100 Desktop PC series*-* HP PCs - Performing an HP System Recovery (Windows 7) - c01867418 - HP Business Support Center
(at boot/startup) HP Omni 220-1100 Desktop PC series*-* HP PCs - Performing an HP System Recovery (Windows 7) - c01867418 - HP Business Support Center
Removing the drive letter from the Recovery (D) partition would cause you to no longer be able to open the Recovery Manager in Windows 7. I'm not sure if at boot/startup (F11) would still work or not. You would have to test afterwards to see. If not, then you would need to add the drive letter back.
Changing the drive letter of the Recovery (D) partition could cause you to no longer be able to open the Recovery Manager in Windows 7. I'm not sure if at boot/startup (F11) would still work or not. You would have to test afterwards with both methods to see. If not, then you would need to change the drive letter back to (D).
Hope this helps,
I just got a new computer and so I'm back in the modern age again after using Win 98 in 2006.
This is a laptop though and I'd like to install a few infrequently used applications onto a removable drive. I have several USB devices, and I'd like WinXP to always use the same drive letter for this drive so an installed program will run correctly.
I foolishly assumed that Microsoft had made stuff like this easy by now. They've had nearly a decade to do it since I last bought an OS. But apparently not. But maybe someone can lend some advice.
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I have a LaCie Porsche Design P9223 Slim External 500GB USB3Hard Drive that my father was using on his computer (with no problem). We're both running Windows 7. My computer, a Dell Studio XPS9000, won't recognize it in "My Computer". There's no drive letter!
It shows up in Device Manager ( says, "this device is working properly")
Show up in USB Safely Remove
Shows up in Devices and Printers
Shows up in Disk Management as Unknown/Unitialized, Disk 10. (When I right click and try to initialize it, it says "Device is not ready".)
The Driver is up to date
It works when I attach it to my husband's laptop, running Windows XP.
What can I do to assign it a drive letter???
I installed a 80gb IDE hard drive into my other computer to access data on it and Disk Management lists the drive as "Disk 0" but will not let me assign it a drive letter or explore the drive for data. When you right click the drive it has the "Explore" choice grayed out. The only choice is to "Delete Partition...". On the disk right click choices all you have is "Convert to dynamic disk" and nothing else. The disk is the system and boot disk (I believe that is has a single NTFS partition for the entire drive space) from another PC that I don't need anymore and it has an installation of XP Professional 32-bit on it and the PC that I installed it too is XP Professional also but it is 64-bit OS. I tried a few commands in the command line utility DISKPART but none of those helped me either. I have installed foreign disks in XP many times in the past and have never seen this. Oh, also tried "Rescan Disks" from the Action menu and still no go. Any Ideas?
did you change the jumpers for Master/CableSelect/Slave - appropriate to where you installed
I have recently seen this where windows will not see, but installing UBUNTU as a virtual CD will see the drive and copy any data files
I just bought an external burner since the burner on my laptop is dying, but I can't get iTunes to use the external to burn. It can read the CD's that I put in to play/import but when I click on burn the laptop's drive pops open and iTunes asks me to insert the CD, even though I have a blank CD in the external.
Someone on another message board suggested assigning a fixed drive letter, but I have no idea how to do that on XP.
Any ideas?
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Running Windows 7 64Bit Pro here...
When I put an SD card, or USB stick into my PC, the drive letter that is assigned is totally random. For example, I put the SD card from my camera into the PC yesterday and it appears as drive F:. Today I put a USB stick into my PC and now IT is using drive F:.
I would like each reader port on my PC to have a specific letter. My SD card should always be F:, CF reader G:, XD card reader H:, USB ports I: up to whatever.
If necessary I can install extra software on the Windows PC, but I don't want to have to put specific files on the memory cards themselves.
Is this at all possible in Windows 7?
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Hiya, hope someone can help. XP has decided not to assign a drive letter to any flash card reader/USB drive I use in my PC (previously used drives no longer have a drive letter in Explorer)
Going into Computer Management/Disk Management the drives are detected with no drive letter, I can give them a letter and access them but the letter doesn't stick, nor is it seen in Explorer (ie remove drive and replug, no letter, no auto open options and no sign of it in Explorer)
I've tried going into regedit, mounted devices and deleting all letters (apart from A-floppy, C-Main HD, D-Optical drive obviously) to try to force XP to assign a letter.
I don't want to do a system restore (all drives worked before) as I've just managed to instal SP3 RC2 after a lot of hassle plus I suspect this has nothing to do with my new/odd USB drive problem.
All other USB peripherals work perfectly, tis just Mass Storage Devices won't display, I tried a new drive and XP went through the New hardware bit, recognised it, said it was ready but didn't assign it a letter/ open it.
Any ideas how I can force Explorer to open the drives ? (going through Admin Tools is a pain after all)
Hi philno and welcome to TSF !
This may help :
New drive or mapped network drive not available in Windows Explorer


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Posted: Thu 13 Mar 2008, 11:36
Post subject: re-uploaded fokSyf Eye R 0.9.9 with latest espeak 1.36.02
re-uploaded fokSyf Eye R 0.9.9 with latest espeak 1.36.02
Sorry, didn't notice a new espeak was out until I saw a post by muggins.
(I had already upgraded espeak to v.1.35 just a few days ago!) :-)
Note: make sure you remove previous fokSyf Eye R version with PETget before installing this re-uploaded one. And check in /usr/lib to make sure the file libespeak.a has been removed (I left it in from a previous compilation by mistake in the last dotpet upload). If its there after installing this new foksy, remove /usr/lib/libespeak.a manually - it isn't needed and shouldn't be there... I expect PETget will have removed it already though.
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Posted: Thu 13 Mar 2008, 13:26
Post subject: fokSyf Eye R 0.9.9 should be there now
Sorry I had some problems uploading (my dialup account). The latest fokSyf Eye R version 0.9.9 should be at Caneri's site now. Remember to unistall the previous one, and it's probably best if you check the md5sum of the new one.
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Posted: Thu 13 Mar 2008, 13:53
Post subject: bad md5sum when I tried downloading
Nope. I downloaded the file (after uploading it), and then checked the md5sum, but it was wrong. I'm going to try again, and if it is still bad, I'll have to re-upload again...sigh.
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Posted: Thu 13 Mar 2008, 14:09
Post subject: It is fine.
Okay, I re-downloaded foksyfeyer from Caneri's site to test it, and this time the md5sum was correct, so the file is fine and you can confidently use it. It is always good to check the md5sum yourself on any file you download though.
i.e. entering: md5sum foksyfeyerCORE-0.9.9.pet
should give the result:
2c6d09a979512aa864a91035ff76462c foksyfeyerCORE-0.9.9.pet
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Posted: Thu 13 Mar 2008, 21:16
Post subject: had problem sending an email from edbrowse
Subject description: Will upload a 1.0.0pre1 fokSyf Eye R soon
I used edbrowse to send email for the first time last night, and it works fine once set up correctly. However, first I had to fix a mistake I had made in my edbrowse address book. I described how I fixed it all up on the Speaking Dog for the Blind thread so that anyone using other 'solutions' to foksy, such as Speak-pup, might also benefit. The post I made about it is thus here:
However, though I had intended leaving any further fokSyf Eye R release for a while, I've decided to release a 1.0.0pre1 release today or tomorrow, in order to fix the address book problem and make email setup a little bit easier.
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Posted: Fri 14 Mar 2008, 05:45
Post subject: Make X apps speak text too! fokSyf Eye R version 1.0.0pre1
Subject description: with e mail config menu + paste from X. Latest espeak.
Well... that was particularly hard work...
fokSyf Eye R version 1.0.0pre1 is now released.
If you have been setting up edbrowse yourself at any stage, remember to back up copies of your configs before installing this, since it will overwrite them.
Fixed the edbrowse e mail address book mistake.
Put an e mail getting started guide in help system.
Created a foksy e mail menu hierarchy,
for sending e mail and fethching e mail using edbrowse.
Created a foksy edbrowse config menu,
including a facility for restoring default "factory" settings,
and the most recent config (the latter gets overwritten quickly though, so safer to always back up your own configs manually as well...).
Tidied some menu items up.
There is no easy way to setup edbrowse at the moment. You can't avoid getting your hands dirty manually editing its run control file /root/. e b r c
That file is also pretty sensitive to mistakes, so I included a backup of the supplied default in this distribution of fokSyf Eye R. Karl Dahlke, the author of edbrowse, emailed me to say that he was working on a configuration script for edbrowse, so setting it up for email may become easier in the future. It isn't too difficult though, you just have to be careful not to corrupt /root/. e b r c
The are many options to test in foksy's hierarchical menu. So it needs a lot of testing still. Hopefully I haven't made too many blunders, but I'm a bit exhausted at the moment so errors may have crept in. All going well, I can get back to producing a version for other Linux distributions soon, and take it slightly easier more generally.
Details and download via here as usual:
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Posted: Fri 14 Mar 2008, 19:30
Post subject: building a new edbrowse config script
I mentioned by email to some of you a while ago that Karl Dahlke was writing a set up script for edbrowse. He sent me a draft a few days ago and I sent him my suggestions and some details of the edbrowse configuration I use in fokSyf.
Yesterday, Karl emailed to let me know that he had pretty much finished the set up script. It allows a user to generate their own edbrowse run control file, . e b r c
Of course, there is a lot in . e b r c, and quite a number of technical details are required to be input. The script is thus great for reasonably technical users who know their way about the configuration generally, such as where ssl certificates and address books are normally kept. Karl however previously contacted me to ask where I stored ssl certs, so that much is accounted for in the script already.
I'll be including Karl's set up script in the next fokSyf Eye R release. However, I've also attached it to this post, for those who wish to use it right away. I've place it in a tar file so that the forum accepts the post.
[note: you'll need to also add the "whereis" utility to your system, since the script uses that towards the end, and it is not in Puppy Linux by default. I'll fix that up in the next fokSyf release]
For less-technically inclined users, I'll also be including a cut-down modified version of the script, especially for fokSy, which will use default fokSy config locations and options where possible, but only ask the user for Mail Account set up data (and any other item that can only be set up on an individual basis). Indeed, in Karl's email (details attached below) he suggested I do that, and will provide me with any help I might need.
I've since also received an email from Erwin, who produces the french translation of Karl's official edbrowse documentation. Erwin informs me that he is
writing a "step-by-step" guide to computers, linux and Edbrowse for my friends : they have absolutely no knowledge (and are 70 years old)
So the guide will be for "absolute beginners", intended to "soften" the learning curve as much as possible.
However, it is in french only, so he is looking for someone to translate it into english.
>>Karl Dahlke sent me this e mail: The setup script, in the doc directory, is reasonably complete.
You may want to modify it, and cut it down to size,
to use the defaults of your distribution,
and only ask about mail accounts, or other settings that are unavoidably individual,
and must be configured by the user.
Let me know if you need any help.<<
Note that there is no setuppuppy.ebrc at the moment, though - something like that is what will be worked on for the next fokSyf release.
Karl's script for generating custom
edbrowse run control files ( . e b r c)
setup.ebrc is inside the attached tar file.
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Posted: Sat 15 Mar 2008, 23:12
Post subject: Make X apps speak text too! fokSyf Eye R version 1.0.0pre3
Subject description: Now with scalable X fonts and window size.
fokSyf version 1.0.0pre3 release.
Please uninstall the old version before installing this,
and then run foksy setup and reboot as usual.
[Remember the space between foksy and setup].
Please read installREADME.txt in detail before installing.
I had the option of selecting screen font size in the back of my mind,
for those running foksy under X. Thanks to murga forum member Keef,
for some pointers to relevant howto documents on the web,
I have now added a major section to foksy to handle that.
Actually, I did a bit more than I intended,
in that I have tried to make foksy take into account the user's underlying
screen resolution, by means of a user supplied commandline argument.
What happens, if you select options x b n or x w n (where n is a specific suggested integer), is that a new, scaled,
rxvt console will open up.
You need to then enter foksy again,
to start up the menu system in that new console.
Should you want to finish, in that console,
you should enter the command exit (or press the close window X symbol).
Best way to understand how it works, is to play with it for a while...
version 1.0.0pre2
Added a foksy --kill option to clean up the speech system,
in case you lose it and want to restart with ifoksy.
Added menu item x b n and x w n for changing x term font sizes.
Of course, this option only applies to those using an X console.
Note that the x term font size and auto console window size changes
is a bit experimental in that it hasn't been well-tested yet.
I could have made the windows a bit bigger,
but I've erred on the side of caution (better too small than too big)
since I only have a 1024x768 monitor to try it on.
[You can always right click and maximise the rxvt console window if you wish]
If you are technically inclined you can fine tune the x term window sizes
by editing the file /usr/local/foksy/foksyopts.
If you break that, don't worry, there is a back up called foksyoptsBACKUP
in the same directory.
You can enter foksy as usual
(in which case a default screen width of 1024 is assumed,
or you can supply a screen width commandline option, such as:
foksy 800, or foksy 1280, and so on. It should word either way,
but will scale any rxvt console window better,
if you supply foksy with your screen width.
Of course the menu options x b n and x w n are only useful if you are
running foksy in an X console. However, foksy can be run outside of X,
as usual.
For a list of all the possible options to foksy,
you can enter: foksy --help
If the underlying speech system ever gets lost,
you should be able to restore it by entering:
foksy --kill
followed by
Further details and download as usual via here:
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Posted: Sun 16 Mar 2008, 00:24
Post subject: mouse scroll wheel, and the command crib sheets
re. the new fokSyf version 1.0.0pre3 detailed in the above post.
Note that with the big font consoles, you can often scroll the text up and down with the mouse scroll wheel.
In v i, when there is a lot of text on the screen,
move through it line by line with the cursor keys,
or keys j for down, and k for up, or with the enter key
(assuming command mode).
You can have the whole window spoken at any time,
by pressing alt w,
or you can have yasr read from the current cursor position, down to the end of the visible screen, by pressing alt e.
alt l (small l) to read the current line.
You can bring up a yast commands crib sheet from any foksy menu by entering y c for yasr crib.
The other crib sheets are also available from any menu, even if not shown as menu choices...
foksy paste menu choice s is great for reading out any text selected highlighted somewhere in X.
xb47 is quite a nice font on my system.
xw47 gives the black text on white background version.
If you ever seem to get "stuck" in the v i text editor, remember you need to issue a colon command.
:q! will pretty much always get you out (exclamation mark means "force").
If your are reading something in v i read only mode, you can still save any changes you want to make if you put an exclamation mark at the end of :wq (e g. you can press escape, and then enter :wq! filename, or :wq! on its own if v i already knows the filename)
If you want quite a small rxvt console window, just pretend to foksy that your normal screen resolution is only 340x240 and then choose option: xb80 or xw80.
i.e. you would run foksy like this: foksy 320
or: foksy 1 (the 1 here indicates the lowest resolution).
I'm make foksy respond to an even lower resolution in the final 1.0.0. That way it will be possible to have a tiny commandline window: good for using the paste menu and the s option for listening to X clips without taking up much screen real estate. Lots of possibilities there - maybe one long single line rxvt "bar" would be good too.
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Posted: Mon 17 Mar 2008, 01:12
Post subject: version 1.0.0pre4 released
version 1.0.0pre4 released
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Posted: Mon 17 Mar 2008, 04:16
Post subject: Watch this space
What I like least about fokSyf Eye R is having to rely on old v i so much...
That is about to change.
After weeks of testing dozens of promising modeless fullsceen text editors, I have finally found one that works with yasr... I think. Under testing - but hopefully coming very soon.
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Posted: Mon 17 Mar 2008, 14:55
Post subject: Make X apps speak text too! fokSyf Eye R version 1.0.0pre5
Subject description: Now with scalable X fonts plus new full screen editor
fokSyf Eye Reader version 1.0.0pre5 released
This is a major upgrade. Now with the "nice" editor
(specially preconfigured for compatibility with the yasr based speech system).
Help system also uses this new editor for help document presentation.
I've left v i in as well, for the moment,
but I'm considering removing it from foksy CORE altogether now,
and just leaving it as a separate dotpet should anyone want it.
The classic v i used in fokSyf doesn't take up much space though, so I've still to decide whether to just leave it (and its documentation) in CORE or not.
The nice editor is a work of art.
Most full screen editors, don't have a chance with yasr,
because the latter intercepts so many hotkeys for its own purposes.
Apart from v i,
the nice editor is the only other editor that has proved capable.
v i only manages because it uses "modes",
so the nice editor is a very special piece of work indeed.
I had almost given up on finding a yasr compatible modeless editor like this.
It is a very easy full screen editor to use, no mouse required,
yet it hides an incredible amount of functionality and power.
The only flaw it has is that it only wordwraps what is typed into it,
not long lined files that are loaded,
and it only has an on-the-fly mechanism for marking a file as read only.
However, I was able to use its macro facility to overcome the
transient nature of its readonly mechanism.
I may also be able to produce a reasonable workaround
for the wordwrap limitation, by means of another macro and a filter.
I've still to try that though.
I actually tried the nice editor some weeks ago, but rejected it because of its status display continuously interrupting yasr. However, for some reason I was curious to try it again (with a view to hacking its code if necessary), and I suddently discovered the all important option which allowed me to turn its status bar off... If only more apps would provide that facility.
A lot of alterations were required to produce this version of foksy (mega insomniac hours),
so I will be surprised if I have not introduced a few, hopefully minor,
errors. However, what I've tested so far appears to function as expected.
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Posted: Mon 17 Mar 2008, 19:49
Post subject: fokSyf Eye Reader version 1.0.0pre5 released
Subject description: future version
fokSyf Eye Reader version 1.0.0pre5 released
Don't get too used to the current foksy keybindings though.
Most will stay the same,
but now that I've found an "easy to use" full screen text editor in "nice editor",
I've pretty much decided to go with djringjr's suggestion
of having a simple foksy front page menu choice. I already have it partially built, and it takes the form (without the word default):
e for (default) editor, i for (default) internet browser, m for mail, s for spreadsheet, v for voice recorder and player, and c for commandline shell. The menu was partly in that form already anyway.
The above will be the core front page apps.
I'm using i for internet browser, rather than b for browser, in case I later add some kind of file browser too (in addition to the file browsing capabilities of edbrowse). Anyway, most of the world still use Internet Explorer (sigh) so the mneumonic works in that sense too. K rec speakk is capable (through sox) of recording and playing back much higher quality audio than voice of course, but voice recording is its planned primary purpose.
I'm keeping v i but moving it to the extra apps section along with lynx, so that the front page becomes less cluttered and even simpler. That should also be good for less technical users and beginners. In practice both lynx and v i will still be accessible from the front page too, but not shown, by default, in that menu.
The help documentation system will always be a "work in progress", but with time, more categories of help can be provided, with graded levels of difficulty and completeness.
A later version of foksy could include a dynamically reconfigurable menu, but that isn't planned for the near future.
I've discovered that the "nice editor" has a paragraph formatting command that fixes a paragraph's wordwrap for long lines. I can probably therefore write a simple macro to fix that problem for any whole documents, but even if that doesn't work, the "wordwrap flaw" is now just a minor one.
I'm hoping to fix the "ctrl x won't cut text" flaw, with an alternative keybinding in the nice editor or in yasr. I might get as far as a 1.0.0pre9 release now before a "final" reasonably stable 1.0.0 is released, but hopefully everything is proving quite usable so far anyway.
The next release will contain the new simpler frontpage keybindings.
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Posted: Mon 17 Mar 2008, 23:07
Post subject: Make X apps speak text too! fokSyf Eye R version 1.0.0pre6
Subject description: simplified menu version/scalable X fonts/full screen editor
version 1.0.0pre6
Major upgrade. New simplified menu keybinding names and structure.
I have not changed any yasr or nice editor keybindings as yet, so no ctrl x for the editor as yet.
I also still have not experimented with a macro for wrapping all lines in the editor.
I haven't bothered modified the e mail getting started guide as yet, because I'll be moving to a mail setup script based on Karl Dahlke's example as part of it. And that is still to be written... For now, you can use v i for editing . e b r c, or use nice editor because that may be easier for most users.
Some of these additions will be tried next.
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Posted: Tue 18 Mar 2008, 14:17
Post subject: fokSyf Eye R version 1.0.0pre7 released.
Subject description: much improved yasr compatibility with many console apps
fokSyf Eye R version 1.0.0pre7 released.
Primarily keybinding configuration fixes; tricky,
but has produced excellent results.
In the "nice editor", the following keys now work as intended by its
ctrl a now moves the cursor to the start of the current line (as does Home).
alt home moves to the start of the file (alt end to the end of the file).
ctrl x cuts a marked block of text (ctrl c for copy, ctrl v for paste).
ctrl l causes an editor "Refresh".
ctrl n or PgDn moves down to the next page (ctrl P or PgUp to previous).
Paragraph formatting in the nice editor has now been sorted out
(use alt P, or say, ctrl k pa 1000 for whole document).
I have also added the useful GNU utility fold into /usr/local/bin since
it is a very handy utility for formatting text to a fixed line length,
(rather like option bl in edbrowse).
Enter fold --help for its usage instructions.
Note, that the Alpine email suite,
including the pico editor and the project file manager now work quite
well with foksyf's yasr configuration (it was hopeless before).
Alpine is a big package though (dotpet size just under 6 MBytes),
so I haven't included it in foksyfeyerCore.
Rather than uploading the dotpet of alpine I've currently made,
I would now want to recompile it,
in order to make it work correctly with shared ssl certificates.
Compiling it is simple. Configuration is the hassle and it is low in
my current list of priorities.
I may however upload it as an addon later,
though I feel it is a bit of an overkill compared to edbrowse and
doubt that I'd use it myself.
Foksyf's new yasr configuration may also help anyone trying to use
other console applications in addition to those provided with fokSyf CORE.
As far as yasr itself goes:
ctrl a has been replaced by binding alt ` (alt backtick) for "say cursor".
ctrl l (small ell) replaced by binding ctrl alt l for "say line"
[alt l also causes the yasr action "say line"].
ctrl x has been replaced by binding ctrl alt x for "flush".
ctrl n has been replaced by binding ctrl alt n for "bypass".
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Apple applied for a patent to figure out a user's mood based on vital signs and deliver ads catering to that mood, according to a report.
AppleInsider first wrote about the pending patent application from Apple, which will also look at demographics, location and time. The filing said that Apple is working on establishing a person's mood based on several kinds of data including heart rate, blood pressure, body temperature and other signals, according to TechCrunch. This could mean Apple may be taking note of the music one is listening to or melancholy interactions on social media.
To make this all happen, though, Apple would need to create a baseline so it can figure out if a mood change is happening. Then Apple can start throwing out those ads. Perhaps if it detects happiness it may suggest a shopping spree at a retailer, or if one is sad perhaps the ads would suggest pints of ice cream and the latest tearjerker on Netflix?
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Users can opt-out of the system which complies with current Apple privacy and user agreements, so we wonder who would opt-in? We have doubts that Apple is able to quantify mood and this may be an exercise in futility. What if, after an email explaining one's relative has died, Apple delivers a tone-deaf ad about funeral homes or caskets? Mood-based advertising is new and likely has a steep learning curve, especially when you're AI and can't understand tone.


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DETROIT (AP) Jason Calliste scored 24 points to lead Detroit to a 79-73 victory over Toledo on Wednesday night.
Juwan Howard Jr. scored 16 points, and Doug Anderson added 10. Ray McCallum had 10 assists and eight rebounds for the Titans (3-4).
Detroit led 38-36 at halftime. Toledo would take a 42-40 lead early in the second hand off a layup by Rian Pearson. A series of ties and lead changes would follow until Anderson made a layup with 9:45 remaining, giving Detroit a 56-54 lead. Detroit went on an 11-point run to pull away from Toledo (2-6) and never trailed again.
Julius Brown, who was 8 of 12 from the field, led the Rockets with 20 points, five assists. Pearson finished with 19 points, and Matt Smith had 15. Nathan Boothe had nine rebounds.
This was the 51st meeting between Detroit and Toledo, with Toledo leading the series.


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Early this morning I learned today is Chocolate Cake Day. Therefore, I felt duty-bound to bake a chocolate cake and write about it so that you, gentle reader, may have some inspiration and tips for baking your own tasty treat. So this is all for you. Don't say I never did anything for you!
Before I get into the how-to's and why-for's of this cake--as well as the results of a little experiment I ran on cocoa--let me talk a little about cake. Cake is one item I have had a lot of trouble with since transitioning to a mostly local and/or organic and scratch-made diet. In my family, we always bake a cake for one another's birthdays. In years past, that has meant going to the grocery store, getting a box of cake mix and a tub--oh all right, two tubs--of chocolate frosting and making a moist cake with creamy deliciousness smeared all over it. But, with our commitment to avoiding most industrial food, this is no longer an option and so we have to bake our cakes from scratch.
And it turns out a lot of science, technique, and finesse goes into baking a good cake; thus, much trial and error ensued. I've made a few disasters: flat, dense, dry bricks with hard frosting crusting the top. Not good. (Not that my little boy minded: sweet is sweet as far as he's concerned.) I tried changing the flour I used to cake flour, still not getting the result I wanted. (And it was a big mistake, I think cake flours are really only for very light and airy cakes, like angel food cake.)
Then, for my last birthday, my husband had a breakthrough and made a wonderful moist cake. What was the difference? Using vegetable oil instead butter. Naturally my husband, the scientist, made this discovery after doing his research. First: Define the problem. What did I want out of a cake? Light and airy, or soft and moist, but not so dense you could, say, pound in a nail with it? I wanted something moist and rich with a springy crumb. Something that would feel chocolate-y and unctuous on the tongue. And I didn't want it to get dry and crumbly when you put it in the refrigerator for a day.
Once he knew what I wanted, he hit the books, or, to be more precise, a book, Shirley O. Corriher's BakeWise, to uncover the secrets of a moist cake. And voila, he hit pay dirt. Here's what Corriher says about using oil in cakes, "Oil coats flour proteins better than a solid fat and prevents their absorbing liquid from the batter to make gluten. This leaves more moisture in the batter. Cakes made with oil can be not only tender but also very moist."
Aha! So because we were using butter in our cake, we were losing moisture. Furthermore, we were developing gluten, which naturally toughens up a dough (a great feature in bread, not a great quality in cake). Obviously, the taste of butter is incomparable, so we were hesitant to use oil, but then decided to give it a try, realizing that most box cakes we had ever made included oil. Mike tried an oil-based recipe that he found in Tish Boyle's The Cake Book with great results. I've used the same recipe below, with the difference that I replaced the recipe's whole milk with buttermilk. (Why? Well, I have a lot of it, for one thing. Also, the acidity in buttermilk reacts with the baking soda, so I wanted to see what, if any, effect that would have on the final cake. However, because baking powder, which contains its own acid, is also in the recipe, it may not make much of a difference at all. Mostly, my chimp curiosity was to blame.)
Before I get into the cake recipe, here's another thing I was curious about: the red in red velvet cake. Traditionally, the red in red velvet cake came from a reaction in the cocoa when you added an acid (vinegar or buttermilk), which would bring out the reds in the cocoa. Because I had the cocoa out anyway, I decided to test this. It didn't really work. I was sad. I was hoping for a dramatic transformation. I don't know why nothing happened; it may be the cocoa made now has somewhat different chemical properties than it used to have. Here are some before-and-after pictures (actually I think there's more red in the before picture, but that may have been caused by the light):
|Before: A slurry of cocoa powder and water
|After: Here I added a couple tablespoons white vinegar. No change. Sigh.
Devilishly Moist Chocolate Cake
[Adapted from Tish Boyle's The Cake Book]
- 1 and 1/3 cups all purpose flour
- 3/4 cup cocoa (not Dutch process)
- 1 and 1/4 teaspoons baking powder
- 1/2 teaspoon baking soda
- 1/4 teaspoon salt
- 1 and 2/3 cups granulated sugar
- 1/3 cup neutral-flavored vegetable oil (such as canola, safflower, etc.)
- 2 large eggs
- 1/3 buttermilk (or whole milk)
- 2 teaspoons vanilla extract
- 1 cup boiling water
Turn on the oven to 325 degrees (Fahrenheit). Butter and flour a nine-inch pan (spring form is nice; it's so much easier to get the cake out).
Mix dry ingredients (flour, cocoa powder, baking powder, baking soda, and salt) into a stand-mixer bowl. Using a paddle attachment on slow speed, gently mix these ingredients until they are evenly distributed. Then add the sugar and do the same thing.
Next, while the mixer is going at slow speed, pour in the oil. Mix for a few minutes until the oil is evenly distributed and the mix sort of looks like crumbly sand.
Now, in another small bowl, whisk the eggs until blended. Add vanilla extract and buttermilk to the eggs and whisk until blended. (Make sure at this point that you've got water boiling. I almost forgot.) With the mixer on low speed, add the egg mixture, stopping the mixer to scrape down the sides of the bowl from time to time. (And don't be afraid to make a mess of your kitchen.)
Now, add a little bit of boiling water at a time, letting the mix get smooth until you add the next bit. Make sure to scrape down the sides. Mix until smooth, but no more. Pour the batter into the pan you've prepared and slide it into the oven. Bake for 45 minutes, then test for doneness by sticking a toothpick into a few center spots in the cake. If they come out clean, take the cake out of the oven. If there are wet crumbs on the toothpick, leave it for as much as 10 more minutes.
Let the cake cool a few minutes in the pan before removing it. Let it cool completely before frosting it.
Dark Chocolate Sour Cream Frosting
[from Tish Boyle's The Cake Book]
- 6 oz bittersweet chocolate, chopped or broken into pieces
- 1/2 cup unsalted butter, softened
- 1/2 cup sour cream, room temperature
- 2 and 1/2 cup sifted powdered sugar
- 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
Melt the chocolate by placing it in a heat-safe glass (like a Pyrex measuring cup) in boiling water (make sure that water doesn't boil into the chocolate; it will change the chocolate's texture in undesirable ways). Set it aside to cool until it's comfortable to touch. (This is important, otherwise you'll cook the sour cream and melt the butter, which would result in a kind of icky mess.)
Put the butter into your mixer bowl and beat it with the paddle attachment until it's creamy. Add the sour cream and beat until smooth.
Add a little confectioner's sugar at a time and beat until the mixture is light and creamy. (When you add the sugar, start the mixer on slow and bring up to higher speed. Otherwise you will have an exciting powdered sugar explosion in your kitchen.) Beat in the vanilla extract.
Finally, add the cooled chocolate, a little at a time. Scrape down the sides of the bowl a few times. When you have brought together all the ingredients, beat the frosting for a minute or two so it gets fluffy. Then spread it on your cake. (I am not much of a cake decorator, so I am afraid I can't give you any tips, other than spread a thin layer first to "glue" down the crumbs--also called a crumb layer.)
If you want to make it a layer cake, I have added some pictures below for a handy way to halve your cake evenly (learned this trick from Williams & Sonoma Tools & Techniques). Me? I am going to eat some cake. And then I've got to clean up this mess!