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Date: March 31, 2014
Contact: Leslie Palma
NEW YORK, NY — Father Frank Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life, issued the following statement today to mark the "International Day of Prayer and Remembrance for Terri Schindler Schiavo, and All of Our Vulnerable Brothers and Sisters," or "Terri's Day," on the ninth anniversary of the death of Terri Schindler Schiavo:
"Nine years ago today, I sat and prayed with a woman who had been denied food and water for two weeks. I saw the light fading from her eyes, and just minutes after our time together, she died. Terri's death was the perverse wish of her murderous husband and carried out by order of a court.
"With efforts under way to expand the 'right to die' in many locales, it's more important than ever that we remember Terri and the increasingly callous way our society judges a person's right to life. She was not hooked up to any machines. She was able to smile and kiss her parents and siblings. Her family saw her as a blessing, not a burden. Terri didn't insist on any 'right to die,' and I am certain that if she could have spoken up for herself, she would still be with us today."
To read and listen to an eyewitness account of Terri Schiavo's death, and to hear Fr. Frank's homily at her funeral, go to www.priestsforlife.org/terri. To find prayers and activities for today's observance, go to www.TerrisDay.org.
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The Liberty University paintball team began its 2012-13 season on familiar turf, the Liberty Paintball Fields, on Saturday where they hosted the Liberty Open.
Liberty fielded two teams in the 12-team tournament, with the Liberty Flames Red Team taking third place, and the Flames Blue Team finishing fifth.
Liberty Red began pool play facing off against Eastern Kentucky, falling 2-1 in a tight match. Liberty Blue opened play against North Carolina State, with the Wolfpack earning a sweep 2-0.
In round two, Liberty Red faced off with the purple team from Clemson University, easily earning the sweep for the Flames' first win of the day. Liberty Blue took on the Georgia State Panthers and fell 2-0.
Liberty Red opened the third round of pool play against the maroon team from Virginia Tech, and the Flames claimed their second sweep of the day.
Liberty Blue picked up its first win of the day over VMI 2-0.
Liberty Blue opened the final round of pool play needing a victory over Clemson's orange team to advance to the knockout round and the Flames delivered with a 2-0 sweep over the Tigers. Liberty Red also advanced despite a 2-0 loss to the Virginia Tech Hokies "A" squad. Liberty Red advanced over Coastal Carolina because they had more total games won in pool play than the Chanticleers (5 games to 4), who lost 2-0 to the maroon squad from Virginia Tech in the final round of pool play.
In the knockout round, Liberty Blue drew Eastern Kentucky, who finished with a 3-0-1 record in pool play. After a Flames victory in the first game, the Colonels rallied to take the match 2-1.
Liberty Red swept N.C. State in the quarterfinals, 2-0, to advance to the medal round.
In a very competitive semifinal match, Liberty Red faced the undefeated Panthers, with GSU gritting out a 2-0 sweep. Georgia State would go on to defeat the Virginia Tech "A" team to claim the Liberty Open title.
"For our first tournament, we did pretty well," said Todd Hoglund, Flames head coach. "We have some things to work on but both squads did well. We need to work on things like our breakouts and not exposing ourselves in lanes, but all in all it was a good weekend."
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STRANGE BUT TRUE- Juiced game: These beer goggles are for the fans
Q. Can you name the major league baseball performance-enhancing drug of choice, that works by exciting certain of the brain's neurotransmitters while inhibiting others. It also causes a release of dopamine and serotonin in the brain's reward centers, bringing on feelings of well-being and euphoria. Though severe side effects come from long-term use, the medical consensus is that the drug can be used in moderate doses without creating an undue level of risk. Got a "fix" on it? Clue: Think about it through the fans' eyes.–A. Busch
A. "Diluted medical-strength beer" is already sold at many a major league venue, enhancing the fans' perception of the performance of just about everyone on the field, says Bennett Foddy, PhD, in Your Brain on Cubs: Inside the Heads of Players and Fans. If you're one of those imbibers, just be careful driving home!
Q. At the end of the 1942 film classic Casablanca, Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman stand on the tarmac as she tries to decide whether to stay with the man she loves or to board the plane and leave with her husband. Bogey turns to her and says: "Inside we both know you belong with Victor. You're part of his work, the thing that keeps him going. If that plane leaves and you're not with him, you'll regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But soon and for the rest of your life." What might a psychologist today say about Bogart's heart-wrenching advice?–I. Bergman
A. He was eloquent but wrong, and dissonance theory– how we handle our contradictory beliefs– tells us why, say Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson in Mistakes Were Made (but not by me). Bergman would have found reasons to justify either choice, along with reasons to be glad she did not make the other.
The scene is among the most memorable in the history of cinema because most of us have stood on that same runway from time to time, says Dan Gilbert in Stumbling on Happiness.
"Our most consequential choices– whether to marry, have children, enter a profession– are often shaped by how we imagine our future regrets." But studies show that 9 out of 10 people more regret things they haven't done than things they have, including not having gone to college, not grasping profitable business opportunities and not spending enough time with family or friends.
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By Emma Pinedo
MADRID (Reuters)
— Spanish filmgoers are
lining up for a surprise hit comedy about Basques and separatist
guerrillas — complete with jokes about car-bombings — in a film that
would have been unthinkable in Spain before now.
The movie, "8 Apellidos Vascos" (8 Basque Surnames), has
viewers in stitches over the cultural divide between a
slick-haired young man from southern Spain and his Basque
"It is very, very healthy for all of us that we are laughing at
ourselves and especially that people in troubled areas of the
country are able to laugh at themselves," Enrique Gonzalez
Macho, president of the Spanish Film Academy, said in a
television interview on Monday.
The Basque separatist movement ETA declared an end to its armed
struggle in 2011, after decades of violence in which more than
100 people were killed. Hundreds of ETA members have been jailed
for life.
The pro-ETA newspaper Gara, which was not amused by the movie,
ran a scathing review.
"Nothing good could come of a production with an advertising
campaign based on the same jokes about Basques and Andalucians
that were told during the Franco era," wrote critic Mikel
Non-Basque actors playing Basques were unconvincing as was the
Basque hamlet created by the filmmakers, he said.
But the taboo-breaking film racked up 16 million euros ($22
million) at the box office in its first three weekends — a boon
for the stricken national film industry where it is rare for a
Spanish movie to gross more than 10 million euros.
After two recessions and a tax hike that hit ticket prices,
movie attendance has fallen to record lows. But crisis-weary
Spaniards seem to enjoy an opportunity to laugh at themselves.
The humor is particularly poignant right now as a surging
independence movement in Catalonia has caused deep political
rifts in Spain. The Basque region and Catalonia both have their
own languages, distinct cultures and nationalist histories.
The movie takes its title from the notion that a true Basque's
great-grandparents all bear the region's distinctive surnames
such as Goirigolzarri, Billelabeitia or Etxeberria.
Protagonist Rafa, played by Dani Rovira, must pretend he is
Basque and invent a family history complete with complex
surnames to court Amaia, played by Clara Lago, whose rough,
fisherman father would not approve of a "foreign" suitor.
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Rafa, who has never before left his native Sevilla, chases Amaia to
her village, where he struggles with the Basque language and falls
in with separatist militants depicted as bumblers with piercings — a
take on them that is risky in a country deeply scarred by bombings
and assassinations.
Directed by Emilio Martinez-Lazaro, the film draws heavily on gags
about supposedly easygoing Andalusians from the arid home of
flamenco and dour Basques from the damp region known for industry,
hearty cuisine and beret-wearing farmers.
The movie has broken several rules of the Spanish film industry.
Fueled by word-of-mouth, it has made more money each weekend since
its debut, which is unusual. Also it has been a huge hit in the
Basque country's biggest city Bilbao — where Spanish films are not
usually successful.
"People are coming to see it out of morbid fascination because
everyone is talking about it," said Manu Idarraga, 54, who saw the
movie in Bilbao on Sunday.
"It was good for a therapeutic laugh, but it's a bit over-the-top,"
said Idarraga, who could not see the film the first time he tried,
because it was sold out.
The film's success has taken Basque screenwriters Borja Cobeaga and
Diego San Jose by surprise even though they had never shied away
from politically sensitive material during years of co-writing the
Basque television comedy "What a Week."
"We thought it might fill a need right now because comedies are
going down pretty well. But we didn't expect full houses or that it
would be hard to find someone who hasn't seen it," Cobeaga told
($1 = 0.7271 euros)
(Additional reporting by Arantza Goyoaga in Bilbao;
editing by Fiona
Ortiz, Angus MacSwan; and Michael Roddy)
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Hello Columbia! My name is Remi (CC'20), and I'm the Creative Director for the Lion. I turned eighteen a few weeks ago, I have no idea what I want to do with my life, and I really love cats. One week ago today, I got a press pass to Bacchanal, and here is what went down.
Wednesday night before the concert the Bacchanal e-Board invited us press pass holders to discuss logistics (at like 11pm – and I had an exam the next morning, whoops). There were four of us: the Lion (me), Bwog, Spec, and something they called the "Bacchanal Press" which I'm pretty sure was them hiring CPS photographers to get their own pics of the event. The press pass gave us access to both the 'private' viewing areas directly to the left and right of the stage on Low steps in addition to the regular mosh pits (on map labelled "Front Viewing Areas." We were also told we'd be given limited access to the middle aisle in front of the stage for a few minutes per act to get some close up shots.
We were told that last year, the Bacchanal committee only gave out one press pass, which they explained to us was a total disaster in that the individual was backstage very drunk and made the committee look terrible. As a result, Public Safety significantly limited our access to the middle aisle area this year. On that note, only myself and the Bwog rep showed up to that first meeting.
The day of the show, we met at the side entrance to Low at 9:30 am to pick up our wristbands and purple press passes.
I went up to hang on Low steps at around 12pm, in preparation for the show to start at 12:30pm. The show actually started at 1pm, but they kept telling us to advertise a 12:30pm start to get people to show up.
The first act was a student opener, Battle of the Bands winner THOU SHALT NOT Entertainment (made up of Vanessa Chadehumbe, Tarek Deida, and Jenny Goggin). Before the show started, Vanessa complimented my blue lipstick. I was in a little bit of shock! She's a pretty rad person and super nice, you guys. When you're rich and famous, please remember me and hire me to be your photographer! –sobs–
Let the show commence! THOU SHALT NOT did an amazing job, even if there were only a dozen spectators on either side. There was a student group as backup dancers who were also pretty spectacular. Unless told otherwise, you definitely would've thought they were a professional group. Check out their Soundcloud here.
Next there was about a twenty minute break before the second act: Mykki Blanco. For those who don't know, she is a poet, rapper, and activist originally from California. During her performance, she got the audience to chant phrases like, "Protect Trans Women," and "Protect Black Children." Very Columbia.
It was honestly wild, though. About a minute into her performance, she leapt off the stage, jumped three fences, and took a stroll down College Walk. The other photographers and I were clicking away literally running after her. It was the first time I've ever felt very 'paparazzi-esque,' but it was fabulous. She then ran across the railings leading towards Low; you could practically feel Public Safety having a panic attack.
Next came D.R.A.M. (Does Real Ass Music; real name Shelley Marshaun Massenburg-Smith). You may know him for his song Broccoli featuring Lil Yachty, which was nominated for a Grammy Award last year. The crowd was starting to seriously pick up at this point, and the atmosphere reeked of stale alcohol and low expectations. The pens were pretty much filled by this point – there were girls sitting atop shoulders above the crowd; a steady thumping as the audience jumped up and down. The lawns, of course, were packed, their residents either not possessing tickets or unable to be bothered to get swept into the crowd of sweaty, drunk teenagers. Sticky!
Things got a little hazy. The DJ Almand came on and gave a steady performance of his own techno / rap mixes, and kept changing into wacky costumes with each song change.. Despite the stupor, you definitely got the sense that everyone present was having a pretty good time. Lines to get into the pens snaked around the corner while popcorn and Rice Krispie squares were being given out by the handfuls. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get any clear shots of Almand due to the Bacchanal committee sort of forgetting about us press people? It's all good; poor guys, they seemed so stressed. Almand's music was great, though, and he really engaged with the crowd, coming down off the stage and taking selfies with the crowd. At one point he took someone's phone and took a picture onstage with the crowd!
I texted them halfway through AlunaGeorge and they were able to let in us. She was so much fun: the perfect concluding act! I don't feel like that many people were familiar with her songs, but they were catchy, lively, and caught on quickly with the crowd. The viewing areas were super packed, and there was a lot of wild fist pumping going on. I saw a lot of glitter. There was enough glitter for a lifetime…
During her last song, she invited a bunch of people from the private, Low steps viewing areas onto the main stage. I, unfortunately, was not among such elite ranks, and had been taking pictures from the crowd. Oh well! It was super cool to see normal people having some fun onstage – and a very nice closing touch. I actually wasn't there because I lowkey got tired right before the end and went back to my room to destress. I live in John Jay, and have a nice room facing Low – and was able to get this pretty nice shot of the end of Bacchanal!
My thoughts and reflections?
Overall, getting ~backstage access~ and a ~special pass~ was pretty fun. 9/10 dentists would recommend. If you have the opportunity to get special access to Bacchanal another year – whether that might be being apart of the planning committee, or for one of the publications or performance groups, I'd check it out. It let me experience the event in a really special way, and I'd definitely be open to doing it again. It got me out of my comfort zone, which is what college is all about!
Bacchanal itself was pretty cool! It was my first, and a good first, I think! The music was great, I loved the student openers and the craziness of some of the performers. I've never been that much of a party/concert person, but I feel more open to them now after forcing myself to go to Bacchanal.
Whether you got to be apart of the crowd, casually observed from the lawns, or flaked altogether, one thing is sure – Mykki Blanco's green hair slays for centuries.
If you liked these photos, click here to see the full album on the Lion's Facebook page, all personally shot (unedited – I ain't got time for that!) by yours truly.


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This takes place during the Mandalorian Civil War, and you can choose your organization (i.e., Death Watch or the True Mandalorians). Your job is to bring onslaught to your conterparts (in Layman's Terms, kill the other team). You cannot kill someone unless they say they are dead, unless they have been hit numerously (six to ten times) in the same battle. After each battle, you automaticly get healed by a docter on your side. You were given a blaster (your choice of which type), and a light-saber from a dead Jedi or a vibro-ax. You can use any blaster that is not to heavy to carry. You also have a wrist-rocket and a flame-thrower. After each post, tell which side you are on. You may not switch sides.
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Production for season two of NBC's fairy tale procedural drama GRIMM commences on Wednesday, May 30 in Portland.
GRIMM stars Russell Hornsby, Silas Weir Mitchell and Bitsie Tulloch will join Oregon Governor John Kitzhaber on May 29 to kick off production and celebrate another season of shooting in the northwest.
Also in attendance will be state legislators, members of the Governor's Office of Film and Television Board, NBC and Comcast officials as well as Oregon business owners who have benefited from the impact of local production.
Beginning Monday, May 28, NBC will run encore episodes of GRIMM every week at 10:00pm.
Season two of GRIMM will premiere in August.
"Grimm" is inspired by the classic Grimm's Fairy Tales. Portland homicide Detective Nick Burkhardt (David Giuntoli, "Turn the Beat Around") discovers he is descended from an elite line of criminal profilers known as "Grimms," charged with keeping balance between humanity and the mythological creatures of the world. As he tries to hide the dangers of his new found calling from his girlfriend, Juliette Silverton, (Bitsie Tulloch, "quarterlife"), and his partner, Hank Griffin (Russell Hornsby, "Lincoln Heights"), he becomes ever more entrenched in the ancient rivalries and alliances of the Grimm world.
With help from his confidant, Monroe (Silas Weir Mitchell, "Prison Break"), a reformed Grimm creature himself, Nick must navigate through the forces of a larger-than-life mythology, facing off with Hexenbiests, Blutbads and all manner of ancient evils, including royal lines dating back to the original profilers themselves, The Grimm Brothers. Reggie Lee ("Persons Unknown") and Sasha Roiz ("Caprica") also star.
"Grimm" is a Universal Television and Hazy Mills production. The series was created by Stephen Carpenter and David Greenwalt & Jim Kouf. Sean Hayes, Todd Milliner ("Hot In Cleveland") and Norberto Barba ("Law & Order: Criminal Intent") also serve as executive producers along with Greenwalt and Kouf.


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Perennial, shrub, tree
Stem: bark often peeling distinctively
Leaves simple, generally cauline, alternate, opposite, rarely whorled, evergreen or deciduous, often leathery, petioled or not; stipules 0
Inflorescence: raceme, panicle, cyme, or flowers solitary, generally bracted; pedicels often with 2 bractlets
Flower generally bisexual, generally radial; sepals generally 45, generally free; petals generally 45, free or fused; stamens 810, free, filaments rarely appendaged, anthers awned or not, dehiscent by pores or slits; nectary generally at ovary base, disk-like; ovary superior or inferior, chambers generally 15, placentas axile or parietal, ovules 1many per chamber, style 1, stigma head- to funnel-like or lobed
Fruit: capsule, drupe, berry
Seeds generally many, sometimes winged
Genera in family: ± 100 genera, 3000 species: generally worldwide except deserts; some cultivated, especially Arbutus, Arctostaphylos, Rhododendron, Vaccinium
Reference: [Wallace 1975 Wasmann J Biol 33:188; 1975 Bot Not 128:286298]
Subfamilies Monotropoideae, Pyroloideae, Vaccinioideae sometimes treated as families. Nongreen plants obtain nutrition from green plants through fungal intermediates.
Shrubs, small trees
Stem prostrate to erect; fire-resistant burl sometimes present at base; bark generally reddish, smooth or gray, rough, and shredded; hairs generally alike on twig, inflorescence axis, bract
Leaves alternate, spreading to ascending, evergreen; blade surfaces generally alike, sometimes convex, differing in color (stomata restricted to lower surface) or hairiness; margin flat to rolled
Inflorescence: raceme or panicle-like, terminal; branches raceme-like; flowers bracted; bracts leaf-like, generally flat or scale-like, generally folded, keeled; immature inflorescence present late summer through winter
Flower radial; sepals generally 5, free, persistent; corolla generally 5-lobed, urn-shaped to ± spheric, white to pink; stamens generally 10, included, filament base glabrous or hairy, anther 2-pored, awns 2, recurved; ovary superior, base surrounded by nectary disk, chambers 210, ovule 1 per chamber, style 1, stigma head-like
Fruit: drupe, berry-like, generally ± spheric; pulp generally thick, mealy; stones 210, free, separable, or strongly fused
Species in genus: ± 60 species: North America (especially CA) to C.Am, Eurasia
Etymology: (Greek: bear berries)
Reference: [Wells 1988 Madroño 35:330341]
Observation of hairs requires 10X magnification. Distribution of many species local; hybridization occurs in areas of overlap
Horticultural information: Beautiful but mostly DFCLT due to fungus and often salinity and alkali. Avoid overhead watering in hot weather. CVS are the easier garden subjects.
Shrub 14 m; burl 0See the CNPS Inventory for information about endangerment and rarity.
Stems ± spreading; bark gray, persistent as flat shreads; twigs tomentose with long, white bristles
Leaves ± overlapping; petiole 25 mm; blade 1.53 cm, 12 cm wide, oblong-ovate to oblong-elliptic, base lobed to ± truncate, margin cupped, entire or 12-toothed near base, surfaces not alike, upper convex, dark green, ± shiny, ± glabrous, lower gray-tomentose
Inflorescence dense; branches 25; bracts 58 mm, leaf-like, linear-lanceolate to narrowly oblong, acuminate; pedicel 46 mm, puberulent or becoming ± glabrous; immature axes 58 mm, partly framed by lower bracts
Flower: ovary densely white-tomentose
Fruit 710 mm wide, ± puberulent
Chromosomes: n=13
Ecology: Sand dunes
Elevation: < 200 m.
Bioregional distribution: s Central Coast (Morro Bay, San Luis Obispo Co.)
Horticultural information: In cultivation.


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Camp Hill
Camp Hill is a city in the west shore region of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.
The area where the town of Camp Hill stands today was first settled in 1735 by people living on the west shore of the Susquehanna River, across from Harrisburg. This settlement was positioned on the main road to Harrisburg. In the mid 1800's the Cumberland Valley Railroad was built from the Susquehanna River to Carlisle. The railway expanded to Chambersburg and in 1839 a railroad bridge was build to Harrisburg connecting to the coal trains from the north. By the late 1800's one-third of the residents of Camp Hill were railroad workers. This increased the settlements population and on November 10, 1885 Camp Hill became a legalized town.
By the 1900's Camp Hill had become more of a suburb than a working town and most of its inhabitants commuted from the town to work across the river in Harrisburg. The town continued to grow throughout the 1900's as a fire department, several schools, shopping centers, retail establishments, and a variety of public works buildings were established. Today Camp Hill is a very pleasant little town with many shops and establishment. It is also conveniently located four miles outside of Harrisburg, nineteen miles from Carlisle, and thirty five miles from Gettysburg.
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Address: 100 Brentwater Rd., Camp Hill, PA 17011-2099. Phone:717.761.7240. Website: http://www.westshorecc.com/
Address: 3431 Simpson Ferry Road, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.920.9370. Website: www.cinemacenter.com
Friday and Saturday: May 13-14, 2011 11a.m.-8p.m. Sunday: May 15, 2011 12Pp.m.-5p.m. Address: Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Cathedral, 1000 Yverdon Drive Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.763.7441. Website: http://www.holytrinityhbg.org/
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•Underneath it all: A lingerie boutique. Address: 1849 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Tuesday–Wednesday 10am–5pm, Thursday–Friday 12pm–6pm, Saturday 10am–4pm. Phone: 717.761.7474 or 717.319.8554, Website: www.underneathitall.net
•Tara's Bridal & Special Occasions: A bridal boutique. Address: 1501 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday & Tuesday: 11am-6pm, Wednesday-Friday: 11am-8pm, Saturday: 10am-5pm. Phone: 717.737.7379. Website: www.tarasbridal.com
•Creative Elegance Boutique: An upscale women's boutique which carries a wide range of clothing for many different occasions. Address: 2129 Market Street,Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday & Saturday: 10am-5pm, Tuesday, Wednesday, & Friday: 10am-6pm, Thursday: 10am-8pm. Phone: 717.737.5400. Website: www.creativeeleganceboutique.com
•Holmes Cycling & Fitness: A cycling and fitness equipment outfitter which carries quality fitness equipment, kids bikes, mountain or road bikes, and much more. Address: 2139 Market Street,Camp Hill, PA 17019. Store Hours:January-March: Monday-Friday 11am-7pm,Saturday 10am-5pm; April-August:Monday-Friday 10am-8pm, Saturday 10am-5pm; September-December:Monday-Friday 10am-7pm, Saturday 10am-5pm. Phone:717.737.3461. Website: www.holmescycling.com
•Rose Marie's Antiques: Antique dealer. Address: 2136 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011-4725. Phone:717.763.8998
•Barnes & Nobles: Book store. Address: 58 South 32nd Street,Camp Hill, PA 17011.Store Hours: Sunday 9AM-9PM, Monday-Thursday 9AM-10PM, Friday-Saturday 9AM-11PM. Phone:717-737-0221. Website: www.barnesandnoble.com
•Pazazz Home decor: Specializes in unique gifts, furniture, home accents, and artisan jewelry. Address: 3806 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone:717.761.4880. Website: www.pazazzz.com
•Fishbone Apparel:Specializes in alternative sports lifestyle merchandise ranging from apparel to snowboarding and skateboarding equipment. Address: 4343 Carlisle Pike,Camp Hill, PA, 17011. Store Hours: Monday—Saturday 11am–8pm, Sunday 12pm–5pm. Phone:717-737-6389. Website: www.fishbonesk8.com
•Wine and Spirit's Stores: A wine and spirit's store. Address: 3760 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011-4325. Store Hours: Monday-Saturday: 9am-9pm. Phone: 717.731.7142. Website: www.finewineandgoodspirits.com
•For the Love of Art:A specialty art store which has products ranging from chocolates to hot air balloon sculptures. Address:15 South 35th St., Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.975.5199. Website: www.fortheloveof-art.com
•Jos. A. Bank: Specializes in men's apparel from suits to tuxedo's. Address:28 S. 32nd Street, Suite C & D, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone:717.763.0121. Website: www.josbank.com
•Pier 1 imports: Furniture and Home décor, Address: 94 South 32nd Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday- Saturday 10am-9pm, Sunday 11am-7pm. Phone: 717.737.3303. E-mail: www.pier1.com
•Michael's: Craft store. Address: 3415 Simpson Ferry Road, Camp Hill, PA 17011-6404. Store Hours: Mon-Sat 9am-9pm; Sun 10am-7pm. Phone:717.975.0102. Website: www.michaels.com
•Capital City Mall: Over 80 stores and restaurants. Address: 3506 Capital City Mall Drive, Camp Hill, PA 17011-7003. Phone:(717) 737-1578. Website: www.shopcapitalcitymall.com
•Boscov's Department Store. Address: 170 South 32nd Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday-Saturday 10am-9pm, Sunday 11am-6pm. Phone: 717.763.1100. Website: www.boscovs.com
•Bon-ton Department Store. Address: 3525 Gettysburg Road, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Mon-Sat 10am-9pm; Sun 11am-6pm. Phone: 717.761.7500. Website: www.bonton.com
•HallMark: Greeting Cards & specialty gifts. Address: 3531 Capital City Mall Drive,Camp Hill, PA 17011-7007. Phone:717. 737.3116. Website: www.hallmark.com
•Kathie's Christmas and Collectibles: Specializes in Collectibles from fine porcelain to jewelry. Address: 3309 Hartzdale Drive,Camp Hill,PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday-Saturday 10 AM-9 PM, Sunday 12 PM-5 PM. Phone: 717.975.0505. Website: www.kathieschristmas.com
•One Good Women: Gourmet Gifts. Address: 1845 Market Street. Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Tuesday, Wednesday, & Friday 10AM-5PM, Thursday 10AM-6PM, Saturday 9AM-3PM. Phone: 717.975.8101. Website: www.onegoodwoman.com
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•The Pennsylvania Bakery: A Bakery with a wide and ever changing selection of deserts, breads, and coffee. Address: 1713 Market Street, Camp Hill, Pennsylvania 17011. Store Hours:Monday – Friday 6 AM – 7 PM, Saturday 6 AM – 5 PM Phone: 717.763.7755. Website: http://pabakery.com/
•Olivia's Tea Room: A tea house which offers high tea and parties for both adults and children. Address: 1959 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Thursday- Saturday 10AM-4:30PM. Phone: 717.737.1293. Website: www.oliviastea.com
•Corner Stone Coffee House: A Coffee house with a variety of made-to-order sandwich and soup options. Address: 2133 Market Street Camp Hill, PA, 17011. Store Hours: Monday-Thursday 6:30AM-10PM, Friday 6:30AM-11PM, Saturday 7:30AM-11PM, Sunday 7:30AM-9PM. Phone: 717.737.5026. Website: www.thecornerstonecoffeehouse.com
•Confit French Bistro: Fine French Cuisine. Address: 2138 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Lunch 11:30AM-2:30PM Monday-Saturday, Dinner 5:30PM-10:00PM Monday-Saturday, Bakery 8:00AM-2:00PM Tuesday-Saturday, Sunday Brunch 11:30AM-3:00PM. Phone: 717.763.1102. Website: www.confitfrenchbistro.com
•Cedars Restaurant: Lebanese Cuisine: Lebanese and Mediterranean Cuisine. Address: 2153 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Tuesday-Sunday 11AM-10PM, Monday 5PM-10PM. Phone:717.238.3360. Website: www.cedarslebanesecuisine.com
•Friendly's: family friendly restaurant. Address: 3125 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone:717.975.9611. Website: www.friendlys.com
•The Cellar:Serves Lunch and dinner, BYOB. Address: 433 North 21st Street, Camp Hill, Pennsylvania 17011. Store Hours: Lunch Monday—Friday 11AM–2PM Dinner Monday—Saturday 5PM–9PM. Phone:717.724.2803. Website: www.thecellarbyob.com
•Pizza Hut. Address 1: 3300 Hartzdale Dr Ste 113, Camp Hill PA 17011. Phone: 717.763.1161. Address 2: 38 Erford Rd.,Camp Hill PA 17011. Phone: 717.975.3420. Website: www.pizzahut.com
•Two Cousins Pizza. Address: 32 Erford Rd., Camp Hill, PA. Store Hours: Monday-Thursday 10AM-9PM, Friday 10AM-10PM, Saturday 11AM-9PM, Sunday 11AM-8PM. Phone: 717.761.5334
•Flinchy's: Casual Fine dining. Address: 1833 Hummel Ave., Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.761.9000. Website: www.flinchys.com
•Masala Bistro: Indian Cuisine. Address: 3401 Hartzdale Drive Suite 120, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.975.9091. Website: www.masalabistro.net
•Gullifty's: Casual Upscale Dining & Night Club. Address: 1104 Carlisle Rd., Cedar Cliff Mall. Store Hours: Sunday-Tuesday 11:30-10, Wednesday-Thursday 11:30-11, Friday & Saturday 11:30-12. Phone: 717.761.6692. Website: www.gulliftys.com
•Brewhouse Grille: American Style Food and Beer. Address: 2050 State Road, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone:717.737.0030. Website: www.brewhousegrille.com
•Sophia's On Market: Bakery and Cafe. Address: The Shoppes of Hampden, 3700 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday-Friday 7AM-3PM, Saturday 8AM-2PM. Phone:.717.975.3800. Website: www.sophiasonmarket.com
•Sierra Madre Saloon: Mexican. Address: 4035 Market Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.763.1277
•Peppino's Pizza & Subs & Pasta. Address: 3649 Market St, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.731.0995
•Arby's. Address: 32 South 32nd Street, Camp Hill, PA 17011-4401. Phone: 717.761.3332
•Theo's Bar and Grille: American Style food and drinks. Address: 3315 Hartzdale Dr., Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.737.6965. Website: THEOSGRILLE.COM
•Summit Family Restaurant: American home-style cooking. Address: 2210 Gettysburg Road, Camp Hill, PA 17011-7301. Phone: 717.737.4310
•Thai Palace Restaurant:Thai Food. Address: 3608 Market Street,Camp Hill, PA 17011-4323. Phone: 717.763.8800
•The Coliseum: Food, Alcohol, parties, live entertainment, and games geared toward adults. Address: 410 St. John's Church Road, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Sunday-Thursday 11AM-12AM, Friday-Saturday 11AM-2AM. Phone:717.972.1000. Website: http://www.coliseumfun.com
•Hard Bean Café. Address: 3609 Market St., Camp Hill, PA 17011. Website: www.hardbeancoffee.com
•Marie's Café:Breakfast, sandwiches, wraps, soups Address: 4401 Carlisle Pike, Camp Hill, PA 1701. Store Hours: Monday-Saturday 7AM-2PM. Phone: 717.761.7661
•Mia's Nikoli's Pizza Parlor:Pizza, Subs, Wings, & Sandwiches. Address: 3904 Gettysburg Rd., Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday-Thursday 10:30AM-9PM, Friday 10:30AM-10PM, Saturday 10:30AM-9PM, Sunday 11AM-8PM. Phone:717.763.7778. Website: http://www.nikolispizza.com
•Dunkin' Donuts: Donuts and Coffee. Address 1: 503 N 21st St, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday-Sunday: 24 Hours. Phone: 717-611-1803 Address 2: 4175 Market St, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Store Hours: Monday-Sunday 6AM - 12AM. Phone:717-612-9616 Website: www.dunkindonuts.com
•Panera Bread: Gourmet sandwiches, soups, salads, and baked goods. Address: 1500 Camp Hill Mall, Camp Hill, PA 17011. Phone: 717.920.9901. Website: http://www.panerabread.com/
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October 13, 2008
Panic over? Everyone go back to what you were doing?
Posted by blogger at 10/13/2008
121 comments:
And come back after 3 weeks.
- October 13, 2008 11:20 AM
Remember what happened after the last bailouts that were supposed to save the markets? Temporary euphoria then everyone comes back down to earth and remembers the problems that caused them to fall still exist and we go back down. This will be no different.
- October 13, 2008 11:53 AM
Once again HP loses.
You dimiwits don't get it yet do you? All your end of the world doomsday scenarios simply aren't happening.
Now be good little renters and get back to your tinfoil hat making classes.
- October 13, 2008 11:56 AM
That was the worst depression ever, glad it's over. I'm going out to buy stuff again.
- October 13, 2008 12:24 PM
Solvency. I'm impatiently waiting for the real solution. The one that deals with solvency. Everyday I check my mailbox and there is still no cheque.
- October 13, 2008 12:49 PM
- Honeygo Beasley said...
Don't be fooled. The whole thing is part and parcel of what's going on in the world Plan to see some more chaos.
Stay tuned for the
FOOD PANIC blog.
And the
WATER PANIC blog.
- October 13, 2008 12:55 PM
- October 13, 2008 1:14 PM
The market will skyrocket this AM and then will inexplicably plunge this PM. It will meander downward the rest of the week. Panic reaches red alert levels by Friday PM.
- October 13, 2008 1:38 PM
Notice the brown stuff running down the G7's legs. These guys are scared out-of-their-heads! Why didn't we think of nationalizing the banks earlier? Oh, that's right that is what happened in NAZI Germany and Facist Italy. When this doesn't work they will inject money directly into your bank account. When that doesn't work there will always be the "manta from heaven" approach. It won't come. Then we choose a uniform general to make the trains run on time. Then we find a scape-goat like an ethnic minority or perhaps even a politcal party and we euthanize them to solve "our problem". Finaly, there is always Thunderdome! "Two men enter one man leaves!"
Okay okay ... I hope we have learned our lessons so this won't happen.
We are all tin hatters now. Thanks RR, GB1, and GB2.
- October 13, 2008 1:48 PM
Dead Cat bounce.
- October 13, 2008 1:51 PM
So if the taxpayer is going to guarantee all the bank debt, does that include the exposure on the credit default swaps as well? Becuase technically, those swaps aren't legally considered debt by the gov't.
If we are guaranteeing those swaps (and I think England is doing it implicitly with the injection into RBS), then the US is essentially doubling down (or quintupling down) on this whole mess.
For all this talk of transparency, they still haven't said that they will force the banks to open up their tier 3 assets/liabilities to the public!
I'm really starting to think that the world's leaders have figured out that either they prevent all these loans from defaulting or the entire system will go down regardless of their guarantees.
Seriously, why the hell can't we just nationalize the assets of the bankrupt banks, insure their depositors, and let the derivatives holders suffer the consequences of doing inadequate analysis of counterparty risk? It doesn't seem so complicated.
The only thing I can think of is that the holders of these instruments must be banks in developing countries that only have a few banks - Mexico, Thailand ect. where letting the CDSs fail would completely destroy an entire economy. But if that's it, just say it!!!
- October 13, 2008 1:55 PM
"Once again HP loses.
You dimiwits don't get it yet do you? All your end of the world doomsday scenarios simply aren't happening.
Now be good little renters and get back to your tinfoil hat making classes."
HP Loses? Rest assured your stucco covered shit-box will still be a declining asset.
As for the market, don't get to happy. This shot in the arm won't last long.
You go ahead and buy while I sell soon, let see who wins in the end. I'll wait a couple weeks to sell to recoupe my loses.
- October 13, 2008 2:09 PM
Suckers rally.
- October 13, 2008 2:11 PM
Man life must be real tough to have 90000 at the texas oklahoma game.Keep renting the basement from mom and screwing blow up dolls.Some depression folks.
- October 13, 2008 2:32 PM
PPT running out of tricks...
Wait until 3pm/12am pst for final Jeopordy.
- October 13, 2008 2:51 PM
Panic over? What Panic?
The Dow rallied 10% from 2:50 PM Friday and has rallied another 5% at Monday's opening bell.
The REAL ECONOMY is in dire straits! Did they say anything about jobs or factories at the G7?
Or the global population of 7 billion, or nuclear proliferation?
We can't fight our way out of this one the way we did the First Great Depression;
We have to tighten our belts!
The politicians are going to try EVERYTHING except that!
And that is why hyperinflation is inevitable.
- October 13, 2008 2:54 PM
Anon said:"Man life must be real tough to have 90000 at the texas oklahoma game.Keep renting the basement from mom and screwing blow up dolls.Some depression folks."
LOL, I remember when posters like you said there would be no RECESSION. We now have one. And now, you're actually saying the word DEPRESSION. You've made a great deal of progress!
- October 13, 2008 3:04 PM
Going Global really worked out
great . A bunch of slave labor countries made a bunch of cheap crap for Americans and the richer countries bought our excessive debt .
Emerging markets were suppose to carry the stock market to the moon .
Interesting that talking heads of any merit are calling for getting rid of the bought off Politicians .
Interesting how the Paulson Plan is changing every minute . When is he going to ask for another scream "fire " injection of taxpayers funds the USA doesn't even have.
Get the corrupt people out of power fast folks .
Stop trading ,let Wall Street stagnate . Wall Street only uses
other peoples money to pad their big fat pockets. Stop buying cheap foreign goods ,stop dealing with the crooks and demand that they are brought to Justice .Clean house ,these are not the people who should be running the show .
- October 13, 2008 3:07 PM
damn you, i doesn't rent that basement from momma!
I sublet it!
- October 13, 2008 3:09 PM
Prediction : At the end of the day
the stock market plus 98 .
- October 13, 2008 3:14 PM
good ole days again. guy on cmbc saying buy stocks now p/e ratios dont matter anymore the market is to cheap to pass up. sounds like 1999 all over again. BULL
I think s/p 550 will bottom around 650 or lower...
- October 13, 2008 3:14 PM
Wow, the Dow jumps the first three minutes of trading and everyone thinks this is over.
I hope it is, but look back at the wild swings just from last week.
A trading day is slightly longer than three minutes.
- October 13, 2008 3:15 PM
That was the worst depression ever, glad it's over. I'm going out to buy stuff again.
Tell that to the 22% of our employees that get the axe tomorrow along with their final check.
- October 13, 2008 3:16 PM
I would agree...dead cat bounce aka suckers' rally.
Nationalizing banks is not the way to go, but then again, the elites are 'changing' the rules. What can we do? If this 'rally' keeps going through the day and maybe even tomorrow...the MSM will be given the pom poms and you will start hearing about 'support' having been established and that everything should be 'ok'. Nevermind that the IMF stated that there's a 'serious' risk for financial meltdown, etc etc.
Smoke and mirrors. I'm just spooked that the 'controlled chaos' that we have been seeing might abruptly end...then we'll see panic...
- October 13, 2008 3:18 PM
Erm, no, that's just the PPT doing it's magic.
- October 13, 2008 3:19 PM
The problem was worked out during this weekend. OKAY. The market will stay strong the rest of the month . Saudi's winners. China is the loser in this deal.
- October 13, 2008 3:29 PM
Man life must be real tough to have 90000 at the texas oklahoma game.Keep renting the basement from mom and screwing blow up dolls.Some depression folks.
October 13, 2008 2:32 PM
90K at tx-ok game and ga-tn game, lsu/fl game...
all over the country stadiums are filled to capacity and yet the HPers think we're in a depression where everyone is starving
- October 13, 2008 3:33 PM
dow up 6%
- October 13, 2008 3:35 PM
The fault for this entire housing mess lies with failed liberal economic policies that benefits the poor minorities. While working class whites pay their mortgages on time, do not get into debt and honor their agreements, millions of poor non-working class minorities do the opposite.
- October 13, 2008 3:42 PM
Question: If the reaction to this collapse is too little too late (as most experts agree) then why so late?
Could it be that GW was try to forstall this mega-event until AFTER the election?
- October 13, 2008 3:42 PM
- October 13, 2008 3:48 PM
Hey Keith you keep predicting the end of the world yet it never happens. I can recall so many times in which you say "ok, the coming meltdown is underway", etc.. and it NEVER happens.
How bad can things get? Really? Even if we have a Great Depression, we will get through this. This too shall pass. Either you are a strong person or a weak one.
My brother who is a Fucked Saver is so angry, upset, full of rage and nervous. Boy, you Fucked Savers who sacrificed, toiled, were frugal, etc... are really fucked. If we have a hperinflation, then you folks are FUCKED. If we have a deflation, then you will be ok. Time will only tell.
- October 13, 2008 3:49 PM
- blogger said...
Anyone buying this?
If so, what are you buying?
I picked up a few...
- October 13, 2008 4:02 PM
Not buying it. Ready to pounce on shorts to make more ever-important $$$.
- October 13, 2008 4:13 PM
Light volume rally and the sun came out. You married guys stuck in your unsupportable mortgages are looking for any port in a storm. I hope you enjoyed that $400,000 monthly BJ you got last night from your overweight wife after the football game. Wait till when she hits 40. She will divorce you, get a tummy tuck and boob job with the child support and then she will move to Sedona thinking she will sell her farts to old people to cure their arthritus. By-the-way ... studies show that there is a 10% chance one of those kids is not yours. Good luck on all that :).
My tin hat looks nice :). I'll raise my kids in my rental paying cash for my cars and my vacations thanks ... now that the housingpanic is in full swing when is the marriagepanic blog going to start?
Buy stock in divorce lawyers if you can. The number of divorces will parallel the forclosure rate.
- October 13, 2008 4:20 PM
The only thing up 100% is DOPES head up his own ASS!
- October 13, 2008 4:24 PM
Does anyone know how to get shit stains out of the old underbritches?I am freaking out.My wife is about to leave me and I'm broke.anyone have a job for the old guy?I sold into the panic last week.looks like I really blew it once again.
- October 13, 2008 4:27 PM
"...your end of the world doomsday scenarios simply aren't happening..."
There is no cause to worry. The high tide of prosperity will continue.
- October 13, 2008 4:31 PM
- Lost Cause said...
Even a dead cat bounce is right twice a day.
- October 13, 2008 4:36 PM
I see Obama courting the Dumb white vote (plenty of them)
Huggin and kissin the white women!
Reminds me of Blazing Saddles,
"Hey, where da white wimmin at?
- October 13, 2008 4:39 PM
Obama doesn't want to be seen with to many blacks just before the election,
To scary for white Amerika!
- October 13, 2008 4:40 PM
The canroys I picked up on Friday are up 30% on what I paid...
So tempting to sell - though at the buy price I paid the dividend was 35%, which is insane. At some point these things are going to go to the moon as the US dollar collapses, don't want to be out at that point.
But this bounce can't possible last - since everything went up...
- October 13, 2008 4:41 PM
It won't be over until you see leverage debt unwind. Those numbers haven't come down enough yet.
- October 13, 2008 4:49 PM
"...life must be real tough to have 90000 at the texas oklahoma game..."
We have
now passed the worst and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly
- October 13, 2008 4:50 PM
They have to try to move it up for op ex Friday. If they can't move it up enough, we will have a spectacular crash this Friday.
- October 13, 2008 4:51 PM
Ok the governments will now own all the banks and financial institutions paid for with future taxpayer money.
Derivatives is a 500 Trillion dollar market half... 250 Trillion is unregulated.
If you trust the markets you are in
fact insane.
Any market data you receive is complete unreliable.
I believe Soros, Buffet, Roubine, Rogers and Schiff.
Any calm or perceived prosperity is your chance tp prepare.
I am now 100% convinced there will be a major massive system failure In my life time I'm 50.
With the worlds scramble to defer the massive failure this is your opportunity to prepare.
Make no mistake.. all they can do is defer this massive failure.
1981 -2008
The end the debt party has begun.
- October 13, 2008 4:52 PM
I woke up this morning and stated trading and am up all over. This is after I called a whopper Rally in the Oct 12 end of the world thread. Not back to normal but back to making $$$. If you missed this rally you missed the bottom...
To bad..
- October 13, 2008 4:57 PM
"...whites pay their mortgages on time..."
Yes, there are hardly any whites defaulting.
- October 13, 2008 4:58 PM
My brother who is a Fucked Saver is so angry, upset, full of rage and nervous. Boy, you Fucked Savers who sacrificed, toiled, were frugal, etc...
are really fucked.
He's right sacrifice, hard work and saving.
Makes you an Idiot and the civilization you live in dead.
Raise your hand if you think this can last.
- October 13, 2008 4:59 PM
Life does not stop during a depression. All the dopes pointing out i-pod sales and sports attendance are simply hoping that enough denial will fix things, its the W approach to a problem.
We are at the rim of a deflationary toilet bowl. The very best we can hope for is a decade of hopeless stagflation.
When the 4 years of McCain are over we will be talking about McJobs(the new CCC), McFoodstamps and the McDollar. God help us if McCain crokes in the mean time.
- October 13, 2008 5:00 PM
I went for financials.. All Up
- October 13, 2008 5:01 PM
I'm buying DXD
- October 13, 2008 5:03 PM
"Anyone buying this?"
- October 13, 2008 5:04 PM
Ohh Gold Give me Shivverzzzz...
Sold that long ago...
BOA... Whoot Go BOA!
- October 13, 2008 5:04 PM
Gold down and the dollar down. Now thats interesting. They're going to do just about anything to save the stock market. Hillarious. This is not going to last.
What is the point of companies if the socialist government can give your competitor a wad of cash at your expense? Fake markets. Fake markets. Or a foreign government? I guess that is why they need to nationalize the important stuff because its the fallacy of the "global" market.
Not voting in the charade election. Not participating the fake market.
- October 13, 2008 5:05 PM
- blogger said...
Here was my prediction from the 1/1/08 thread. Not too shabby:
If Bloomberg doesn't run, Obama is the next President
On housing, US median price falls 10% in 2008
On stocks, no idea on the averages, but watch for builders, banks, lenders and investment houses to fail and merge. CFC, IMB and WM are first up
- October 13, 2008 5:11 PM
XLF -Financials ETF
Not buying today:
But moved 30% of my cash position back in early friday afternoon bought:
FAN- Wind Energy ETF
GEX - Alternative Energy ETF
Bought BRK.B on Friday for CHEAP
watching: TGT, F, ACN, IBM, C, V
Also buying stocks that are selling for less than the cash they have on hand.
FC John
Fort Collins, CO
- October 13, 2008 5:12 PM
I think the stock market may end up a 100 or so by the end of the day, and may stabilize over the next couple of weeks only to go down steadily for several months after the election. Unfortunately, the measures wont stop the problem, and the money being poured in means that we will likely end up with high prices and few jobs. I'm not buying stocks; I sold out early in January. I am, however, looking at buying more rental property; the p/e ratio is beginning to come into balance out where I am, and I expect the prices of real goods to soar.
- October 13, 2008 5:26 PM
"On stocks, no idea on the averages, but watch for builders, banks, lenders and investment houses to fail and merge. CFC, IMB and WM are first up"
Just about spot on, damn.
- October 13, 2008 5:27 PM
"Tell that to the 22% of our employees that get the axe tomorrow along with their final check."
They can apply where I work - we're hiring! And so goes the world, the way it always has...
- October 13, 2008 5:30 PM
"If you missed this rally you missed the bottom..."
Sure thing trader Bob. Get back to us in three months and we'll see how well your investment "strategy" has paid off. Nothing changed since last Friday, not a damn thing, other than central banks around the world handing fiat money out like candy on Halloween. If you think that is a long-term solution then you need to have your head examined.
Weimar Germany, Brazil, and Argentina all saw their stock market indexes soar as they fell into the buzz saw of inflation then hyperinflation. The investors in those economies did well, didn't they?
- October 13, 2008 5:42 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My brother who is a Fucked Saver is so angry, upset, full of rage and nervous. Boy, you Fucked Savers who sacrificed, toiled, were frugal, etc...
are really fucked.
He's right sacrifice, hard work and saving.
Makes you an Idiot and the civilization you live in dead.
Raise your hand if you think this can last.
The anger is just beginning. Those who financed Warren Buffet lifestyles on HELOC and now expect the rest of us to bail them out will be held to account. Pimco's Bill Gross says that we should raze all of the empty McMansions and just start over. Voila housing oversupply over.
I believe we should raze the occupied McMansions of those who didn't really have the money to be there in the first place and then issue Section 8 vouchers for them to live off the government in the projects. If they are going to live at taxpayer expense then they need to live in Section 8 Housing.
Check out RoboCop to see how this would be accomplished.
- October 13, 2008 5:46 PM
- Lenny said...
It's just a rally. Look at historical charts. Picture a rubber ball bouncing down some stairs. It's going to bounce back up before hitting a new low.
If you've got the cojones, you can make a quick buck today and maybe tomorrow. But be sure to have your finger on the eject button, and don't be too greedy...
- October 13, 2008 6:01 PM
- blogger said...
Maybe I should have said 10,000 by the end of the day and not Friday?
We could still tank again folks, but be flexible. When the environment changes, be observant.
And read manias, panics and crashes again tonight. There should be no surprises.
- October 13, 2008 6:08 PM
A friend of mine emailed me today asking me if I know anyone looking for work. His company can't find enough people and they had to cancel a contract because of it. His company does ERP consulting and his consultants earn well into the six figures.
Some depression!
- October 13, 2008 6:14 PM
Only false hope.
The calm before the storm.
Throwing money at a faltering system doesn't fix the problem, it only lengthens the pain over a longer period of time.
- October 13, 2008 6:14 PM
Oh so last week the end of the world was coming....and now this week it's start buying.
Nice consistency there Qweefie old boy
- October 13, 2008 6:16 PM
"...the end of the world...never happens..."
Maybe if you're tapping your foot and glancing at your watch.
3 years top-to-bottom, with 6 sucker rallies
Bonus laugh: after the top in 1929, how long was it in real(inflation-adjusted) dollars till it came back to the same level?
60 years.
- October 13, 2008 6:27 PM
- blogger said...
When governments around the world coordinate and bail out their banks with trillions and trillions of dollars in one night (as I said they would) then you need to stand up and take notice.
It does not pay to be a perma-bull or a perma-bear with ANYTHING. Not stocks, not houses, not currencies, not anything.
Stubborn people get slaughtered. Just like the people who thought home prices would always go up.
I called 7886, breaking 8,000, as the bottom. Time will tell. I've been wrong before. But I believe things have now changed. Last nights moves around the world were gigantic and unprecedented.
but the ride will be wild and gut-wrenching. Be careful. Cramer's advice is good - if you need cash in 5 years don't gamble it.
The stock market is gambling, pure and simple. treat it that way.
- October 13, 2008 6:43 PM
WE've bounced 15% off the lows
- October 13, 2008 6:45 PM
On the heels of the worst week in history, the prevailing wisdom on Wall Street is the stock market is now cheap, especially relative to Treasuries and most especially for long-term investors,
With the S&P trading at 13 times expected 2009 earnings and 17.2 times on a trailing P/E basis, "buy the dip" is the mantra from many observers:
* "The sell-off has gone much too far and stocks are poised to rally powerfully if the downturn is less severe than investors," according to The New York Times.
* The "Ben Graham P/E" - which divides the price of stocks by their inflation-adjusted net earnings average for the past 10 years - is the lowest its been since 1989, The WSJ reports.
* Even typically skeptical observers like Barron's Alan Abelson and FusionIQ's Barry Ritholtz were writing this weekend about the potential for a short-term market bounce of between 20%-30%.
- October 13, 2008 6:47 PM
- blogger said...
Question - was Lehman too big to fail? Should the government have bailed them out?
The direct damage - $300 billion. Indirect? Probably $5 to $10 trillion (stock losses, economic damage).
Here's some news:
Lehman failure caused $300 billion damage: regulator
Monday October 13, 10:37 am ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The financial fallout outside the United States from Lehman Brothers Holdings' bankruptcy has been about $300 billion, the head of Germany's financial regulator said on Monday.
"We're still licking the wounds of Lehman," said Jochen Sanio, president of the German Federal Financial Supervisory Authority, at an international banking conference. "It caused international damage of $300 billion outside the U.S."
- October 13, 2008 6:55 PM
Why do people look at the DOW on a light volume day for the answer to the CREDIT CRISIS.
The $360 trillion Credit markets remained frozen even after G7 meeting.
Bottom line Mortgage rates are going up.
The fresh billions thrown at the financial system by the Treasury and Bank of England showed few signs of thawing frozen money markets today.
The overnight lending rate between banks fell from 5.81% to 5.6%, but still stands more than 1% above the Bank's official 4.5% rate.
The three-month interbank rate – key for pricing mortgages – fell back only marginally from 6.29% to 6.27% as banks remain fearful of lending to each other at longer terms.
Money markets remain tense despite the Bank of England today pumping in an extra £10 billion.
The TED spread, the difference between what the U.S. government and banks pay for three-month dollars, narrowed only marginally 7 basis points to 457 basis points. In Jan 25, 2007 TED SPREAD was only 0.225 basis points.
The dollar Libor-OIS spread, a gauge of demand for cash, narrowed only marginally 4 basis points to 360 basis points. It was at 105 basis points on Sept. 15. The spread was 24 basis points on Jan. 24.
Libor, set by 16 banks in a survey conducted by the BBA each day in London, determines rates on $360 trillion of financial products worldwide, from home loans to derivatives. Member banks provide estimates on how much it would cost to borrow in 10 currencies for terms between one day and a year.
- October 13, 2008 6:59 PM
What a GREAT DAY for making $$$...
now Im going golfing...
Keep stashing that gold doomers...
- October 13, 2008 7:00 PM
It does not pay to be a perma-bull or a perma-bear with ANYTHING. Not stocks, not houses, not currencies, not anything.
Stubborn people get slaughtered. Just like the people who thought home prices would always go up.
Oh and who arbitrarily says it's time to stop being a perma-bear when you've been a perma-bear for the last how many years?
There has been a lot of "action" by the central banks of the world but the question we should be asking is will any of this be more effective than the liquidity injections of the Fed over the last year?
Or is this another sucker's rally?
Be careful not to catch a falling knife, Keith.
- October 13, 2008 7:07 PM
- blogger said...
I'm still significantly in cash. But there were some stocks that got thrown out with the bathwater when the hedge funds had to raise cash to fund redemptions.
Just do your own research, make your own moves. And just stay out if you need the cash. This isn't investing - it's gambling, and the casino is rigged.
The time for investors, and investing, is still down the road. After they clean this mess up. If they ever can.
- October 13, 2008 7:15 PM
for a little while.
The market will stabilize, rally a bit and in about a month or two, then everyone will realize that the underlying problem really isn't fixed and the market will hit new lows.
Only to stabilize again, rally a bit, then in a couple of months, head lower. at this point the market will really be at about bottom.
- October 13, 2008 7:20 PM
I see comments from a few here on P/E's and wonder if they really know what they're talking about. The current P/E on the SP500 (after todays 600 point gain) is roughly 12. Horrible corporate earnings will send the P/E on the SP500 even higher, perhaps back to 14 or 15 soon. I see no bargains here, and would argue that the P/E's are still way too high. I'm a buyer when the SP500 P/E reaches 8, and in this economic environment that day will come, mark my words. Until then, expect many fake rallies like today. Dumb money always thinking we hit another bottom.
- October 13, 2008 7:30 PM
"You dimiwits don't get it yet do you? All your end of the world doomsday scenarios simply aren't happening."
What is it about the words DOPES and DIMWITS that idiots like so much?
- October 13, 2008 7:31 PM
The much expected reflation policy has arrived with a unified front.
We are witnessing an epic battle between inflation (Central Banks) vs. deflation (the market).
I'm hedging my bet Re: who wins this war - both cash and gold are king in my book.
- October 13, 2008 7:33 PM
- AndrewHac said...
And that is exactly what has been going wrong with the Americano's mentality. Always thinking about buying, spending, slurping, debauching, cheating, lying, plotting, etc... Rarely or never in the Americano's life there exists a moment, even a fleeting one, that holds the mantra of living a simple life with hard work, honesty, and uphold one's self-respect with honor. By now the whole outside world has known what beast lurks behind that lying face of the Americano...
So, is the Americano toasted yet ? And if not, when do you people, Joe and Jane of the SHRUB's Ass-Head Clan, think the Americano will be toasted ? Will they be toasted lightly as a marshmellow or juicely as a snapper turtle skewered on a stick from head to ass all sizzling nicely, fat popping, juices dripping over a bed of red hot charcoal fire ?
The Americano nation and its pitiful occupants's fate has entered a dark age, an ominous age filled with peril and uncertainty. An age of unimaginable stench emanating from the fart of the Housing Bubble. Who do you have to blame but yourself when you bough a $700K house on a $40K annual salary as a low-life telemarketer, a StarBuck cashier, a convenient store sales associate, a Best Buy sale clerk, a 30K-Millionaire ? Add in a fat-ass, lazy, couch potatoes, hoity-toity wify, a couple of redneck, foul breath, rotten-teeth kids and you now have a perfect storm for the crashing of not only the Americano economy but the Americano family value as well.
Thus, with all due respect, I will ask you these $69,000 Americano-going-down-the-toilet-dollar-currency questions:
IS THE AMERICANO roasted nicely yet like a grilled snapper turtle ?
WILL THE AMERICANO ever find a shred of WMD in Iraq, the little Islamic nation that the Americano president DUBYA SHRUB and his side-kick PENIS SHOOTER had decided to invade few years ago ?
WILL THE AMERICANO take on the role of the world leader: Free the Tibet Monk"ey" and Invade Red China ?
WHAT IS INSIDE the tummy of most Americano ? Greedy Worm and Sh*ts mostly, perhaps ?
WILL the famous Snapper Turtle outlive the obese, pigeon-brain, pompous, ass-head Americano Australopithecus ?
WHEN WILL THE AMERICANO "Gone With The Wind" ?
- October 13, 2008 8:06 PM
Noodles-I'm just a simple man I don't own much after my divorce but that was by choice...My exposure to the markets is minumum.
I hear "Rally!" then "Chaos!" over and over...Here's what I do know:
1. The poor are many and they are broke and becoming desperate as prices rise
2. We cannot maintain peace without people assuming they will be punished...It's actually smoke and mirrors how we keep order.
3. In times of REAL trouble plenty of murders, rapes and robberies go unpunished...Because of volume and lack of man power.
4. In 3 days without services most large cities will become SCARY.
5. Rich/poor/white/brown/black it won't matter...Crime will affect you...Maybe not you but maybe your mom...Maybe not you but your wife.
6. Money in bad times is great but inflation zooms up all that will matter is basics along with guns and safety.
7. For the ones that think we'll crash over nite...You're probably wrong but it will be a slide into evil times...Slowly things will get worse as people become desperate...5 years from now today will seem like heaven.
Am I a kook for believing that this has now made a one world or Amero monetary system a reality?
Maybe but imagine if I describe the news in the last 3 weeks to someone 1 year ago?
They would have thought I was coo-coo.
Look to the rich or middle class in South Africa/Brazil because we will end up like them.
Onclaves of people usually rich or well off trying to keep the Barbarians at the gate...Hee Hee all you've done is imprison yourself.
This is so strange agreeing with semi-religious and conspiracy kooks but up to this point all roads lead to manipulation of the masses to rob the masses.
- October 13, 2008 8:14 PM
everyone i know is buying today.
the herd mentality is astonishing.
- October 13, 2008 8:16 PM
>> A friend of mine emailed me today asking me if I know anyone looking for work. His company can't find enough people and they had to cancel a contract because of it. His company does ERP consulting and his consultants earn well into the six figures.
Ugh - ERP. What a soul-destroying line of work...
- October 13, 2008 8:23 PM
I believe we should raze the occupied McMansions of those who didn't really have the money to be there in the first place and then issue Section 8 vouchers for them to live off the government in the projects. If they are going to live at taxpayer expense then they need to live in Section 8 Housing.
That's an excellent idea, but it would cost the Taxpayer a lot to re-train the McMansion folks to fit into subsidized family Section 8-- 2 bedrooms. One would have to insure they qualified for the programs:
On and/or making and selling drugs---
Filthy Housekeeping 101 would be a must-----
Stacking Junk Tires on Porch Decorating-----
Wife Beating 101 (BTW Lowe's has started selling Quarter Sheets of Sheetrock which is needed to repair fist and head holes in the walls, a savings for the Complex Owners---)
How to make your non-starting, oil leaking car which is parked in your space look servicable, a short course-----
How to convince the Landlord that the Bluelighted Patrol Car was only a friend who stopped by for coffee-------
How to miss the dumpster when you throw your torn plastic trash bags at it while driving by----
A good teacher could do all this in a very short time. Try most any Section 8 Property and they would be glad to do it.
- October 13, 2008 8:56 PM
- blogger said...
Well, ho-ly-crap
Congrats to the contrarians out there who played this right over the past few days
Keep your stop losses tight, don't get greedy
We'll see down days again, and more failures. But last week was pure straight-out-of-the book panic and liquidation. And the actions of governments across the world last night and today should not be discounted.
- October 13, 2008 8:58 PM
- blogger said...
In regards to P/E's you are correct - if you're trading the market as a whole, that is a mistake.
Take the time and do research on individual stocks and then tell me why great companies with tons of cash and recession-proof products are trading at P/E's of 5
Got it?
Want the answer?
Because hedge funds were liquidating and needed the cash.
From Manias, Panics and Crashes:
The final phase is a self-feeding panic, where the bubble bursts. People of wealth and credit scramble to unload whatever they have bought at greater and greater losses, and cash becomes king.
- October 13, 2008 9:02 PM
How they hell is this even possible?
Maybe the PPT!?!
What happened to the Panic?
It must be over...
Man this market is rigged.....
- October 13, 2008 9:02 PM
"If you missed this rally you missed the bottom..."
Sure thing trader Bob. Get back to us in three months and we'll see how well your investment "strategy" has paid off. Nothing changed since last Friday, not a damn thing, other than central banks around the world handing fiat money out like candy on Halloween. If you think that is a long-term solution then you need to have your head examined.
Weimar Germany, Brazil, and Argentina all saw their stock market indexes soar as they fell into the buzz saw of inflation then hyperinflation. The investors in those economies did well, didn't they?
LET ME SAY AGAIN.. UP ALMOST 1000 pts
YOU MISSED THE BOTTOM -) Thats my ass crack you can kiss my ass if you want.
- October 13, 2008 9:08 PM
Prediction : At the end of the day
the stock market plus 98 .
Very good guess. Just be sure to add that trailing zero. It's the leading zeroes you can drop.
- October 13, 2008 9:08 PM
Now you Bitter HP Renters, let this be a lesson! You will pay our mortgages and through taxation. The DOW IS KING!
- October 13, 2008 9:09 PM
- blogger said...
I've gotta say, calling the bottom last week and then predicting Dow 10,000 this week, I could think of myself as a super-genius
But I'm not. I simply read Manias, Panics and Crashes.
It's never different.
And no, I don't know what's going to happen now that the panic selling is unwinding. But these past few days were classic. Straight out of the book.
- October 13, 2008 9:19 PM
It's looking to me like auto makers might be a good investment. While Ford saw a 20% increase, GM topped that, at 33%. This would look a lot better coming from a manufacturer, rather than a bank. Let's hope the two companies show some success with their new plug-in hybrid electrics. Folks, I am all for lower house prices. But I also emphasize the importance of our manufacturing.
- October 13, 2008 9:20 PM
"michael said...
everyone i know is buying today."
Wall of worry gone in one day huh?
- October 13, 2008 9:22 PM
We're saved, we're saved! Years of bad policy has been corrected over a weekend or two, under sheer panic!
Anybody else not buying this?
- October 13, 2008 9:22 PM
- Paul E. Math said...
"This isn't investing - it's gambling, and the casino is rigged."
I agree. I may be a perma-bear but all I still see is a consumer pull-back, hundreds of bank failures, the insolvency of the FDIC, alt-a resets, etc.
While selling last week was panicked, I feel panic is justified when you look at all the headwinds facing this economy.
The difference that I see in this downturn is that, unlike the 30's, this fed and administration are determined to flood the money supply by any means necessary.
While we've been experiencing deflation for the last couple of months, I believe we will ultimately see what an inflationary depression looks like on our soil.
- October 13, 2008 9:37 PM
Hey, do we ever talk about housing anymore?
This is called, HousingPanic, right?
Not StockPanic!!
Beckhams Can't Sell Their Spanish Home
Even the celebrity couple are feeling the effects of the credit crunch as they fail to sell their property in Madrid after 17 months.
- October 13, 2008 9:39 PM
Dow up 900 points in one day. Biggest point gain ever. Looks like the Reserve Banks saved the day. Yeeh hawww! Everything's solved!
- October 13, 2008 9:53 PM
hmmm, 936 point DOW increase in one day divided by how many billions or trillions of dollars worth of various government bailout commitments announced over the weekend equals how much paid by taxpayers for each single point of increase? ... Not that good at math, someone please help me out here... (sarcasm off now)
Smug Bastard
- October 13, 2008 10:03 PM
Paul Math said:
"The difference that I see in this downturn is that, unlike the 30's, this fed and administration are determined to flood the money supply by any means necessary.
While we've been experiencing deflation for the last couple of months, I believe we will ultimately see what an inflationary depression looks like on our soil."
Bingo. The Fed's hands were tied by gold in the 30's.
Now there are no restraints.
The Fed will flood money into the system until inflation wins.
Inflation benefits the uber rich and screws everyone else.
The Fed = exists to support the uber rich.
End result to this crisis = inflation
- October 13, 2008 10:24 PM
- Refuse to buy overpriced said...
Just for the record, not all HP-ers think we are are the verge of "Great Depression 2"
Personally, I think that whole concept is a scare tactic to justify the larceny known as the bailout.
- October 13, 2008 10:27 PM
"And no, I don't know what's going to happen now that the panic selling is unwinding. But these past few days were classic. Straight out of the book."
LOL - As if it's somehow over because the DJIA popped a cork. This is a (sucker) rally engineered to unload some shares to idiot fund advisors who are believing the calls claiming a bottom and to greedy in-duh-vidual investors trying to earn a few % to salve the wounds of last week.
What has changed in the economies that might justify higher share prices? The banks are still insolvent, mortgages go unpaid, oil is twice the price of a year ago, and unlimited guarantees to banks can't change the fact that the unpaid liabilities if recognized, would add up to an amount far larger than global GDP.
When the Dow plunges 1000+ points in some future session I'm sure Keith will tell us he called it XX months ago.
- October 13, 2008 10:47 PM
It's damn hard to believe that anyone who bought the market today will lose money over the next 3 years.
- October 13, 2008 11:01 PM
- blogger said...
This could be a classic pump and dump. Time will tell. I have no idea. It's gambling. Got it? These are not days to invest. The markets are now a casino.
But it was pretty obvious that last week was panic. Pure, uncontrolled, panic, as the hedge funds sold everything to raise cash, and the sheeple joined them.
And it was obvious after the governments moved that today was going to be an insane rally (and short cover). And it was.
And no, I have no idea what tomorrow holds. Except more gambling at the casino that our markets have become.
Remember, during the Great Depression, the market saw 7 of its 10 best days. Yet it fell 90%.
Be careful out there and stay out if you need your cash.
- October 13, 2008 11:02 PM
Was there short covering driving up the market.
Last Wednesday, the SEC lifted its ban on short selling.
Investors who shorted financial and insurance companies were doing quite well last week as fears of another financial bankruptcy mounted.
With today's successful save of Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MS), anyone who was short that firm -- or other financial stocks -- was forced to buy those stocks as they spiked in order to repay their stock loans.
This probably contributed significantly to a buying panic.
- October 13, 2008 11:03 PM
If the Euro and Asain markets sell its a dump. If they rise its more pump. 10K by the end of the week.
Then I might sell from the LOW LOW bottom that I did.. lol
Laughing all the way to the Safe..
- October 13, 2008 11:09 PM
Hey, Last week the house and half the foundation got torn away. They are building a gigantic shack on top of the foundation that remains. This will last until the next wind blows!
What's worse,,they're building the shack with OUR money!!
- October 14, 2008 12:05 AM
Dead COW bounce!
- October 14, 2008 12:07 AM
i went into the market at 10 minutes before the closing bell on friday and bought a stock i've held before...but with the intention of trading on any rallies. so we get one today...and perhaps tomorrow. i'm sure i'll be out of this stock by friday.
i'm now re-reading MPC by Kindelberger...man, it's like reading a prophecy.
don't get too confident with this rally!
- October 14, 2008 12:08 AM
"Once again HP loses.
You dimiwits don't get it yet do you? All your end of the world doomsday scenarios simply aren't happening.
Now be good little renters and get back to your tinfoil hat making classes."
What the hell are you talking about? Most of the stuff this blog predicted came true.
And by the way, this board is predicting trouble...it's not predicting "the end of the world". Why is it that when someone shows genuine concern for what's going on, they are automatically labeled as "tin foil hat" types?? Why is this society so stupidly optimistic? Why do we act like nothing could ever go wrong?
- October 14, 2008 12:16 AM
I am amazed how those verbose few numskulls whose lexicon is limited to "Dimwits" and "Dopes" always pull a Cheney on us and go underground whenever bad news hits them on their thick heads. I haven't heard from them all last week. They cowardly lay low for days until they hear about a fake rally on Wall Street like today's and then stick their heads out again to display their ignorance.
There is nothing wrong with expressing a different viewpoint, but those idiots never explain why and how they believe they are right. They add nothing to this debate. They must belong to some Sarah Palin circle of monkey spinners whose only assignment is to keep sending those idiotic words to disrupt dissenting blogs like HP!
- October 14, 2008 12:20 AM
I sold some stocks today and bought more silver.
- October 14, 2008 12:26 AM
"...stabilize, rally a bit and in about a month or two, then everyone will realize that the underlying problem really isn't fixed and the market will hit new lows.
Only to stabilize again, rally a bit, then in a couple of months, head lower..."
- October 14, 2008 12:51 AM
That's the best 1-day gain since the early 1930s!!!
17 of the 20 largest 1-day percentage gains in DJIA history occurred in late 1929 and the 1930s.
What a cause for celebration
- bryce in canada (vancouver & calgary bubbles)
- October 14, 2008 2:04 AM
Nikkei up 1000 in the first hour?! Is it a penny stock? Jeeze, me and all the other perma bears lose today.
- October 14, 2008 2:21 AM
Take the time and do research
You're starting to sound like Suzanne on that stupid Century 21 commercial.
Infobabe on CNBC just said (in a half drunken euphoria)...
"Now is a great time to buy stocks"
Have you heard that anywhere before???
Assets are still marked to fantasy...
Earnings estimates are still in la la land...
P/E doesn't mean shit when the numbers are manipulated worse than even the governments numbers.
Demand for Oil is going down yet oil stocks went up, what, 15%???
RUN don't walk for the exits and sell now while your ahead just like people should have sold their houses in 2006.
- October 14, 2008 2:23 AM
I'm calling Suzanne. We can do this now!
- October 14, 2008 2:47 AM
I bought Canadian Royalty Trusts with a fat yield last week. Many are now up about 20% or so, plus the juicy divy. Our energy problems are not solved, and people will still drive around even when/if we go Mad Max.
Also bought silver over the weekend. Getting darn near impossible to get...
- October 14, 2008 3:05 AM
"Sharp Recovery in Stocks, a Few Further Declines"
"The essential fact established by yesterday's stock market was that panicky liquidation had been checked and that orders which had been placed by bona fide buyers were having their natural effect. All such hysterical declines as those of the present week are certain to end."
New York Times
Thursday, October 31, 1929
After falling 12.8% on Monday October 28 and another 11.7% on Tuesday October 29, the DOW rebounded on Wednesday, October 30 rallying 12.3% and another 5.9% on Thursday October 31.
I'm not going to call this a depression just yet, and I am not going to compare it to the Great Depression. However, following the initial crash, the stock market pared its losses. Though it did end 1929 down 34.8% from it's all time high on September 3, 1929.
Throughout first half of 1930 the stock market posted monthly gains until April even as the economy continued to unwind.
January +7.8%
February +1.1%
March +4.7%
April -2.74%
May +0.2%
June -17.5%
July +4.9%
August +2.9%
September -14.8%
October -14.4%
November -0.8%
December -11.3%
Unemployment crept up from 3.2% in 1929 to 8.7% in 1930 and companies started to fail. It wasn't until April/May of 1930 that the media began to really call this a depression. From searching news articles it seems that many were convinced initially that this would be a mild recession like that of 1924. By mid-1930 many economists seem to allude that the economy was in a depression, but that it would be about the same as that of 1919-1921. The lesson being we won't know this if this is a depression until next year at the very least. We certainly do not know how long this will last.
- October 14, 2008 3:10 AM
Ugh - ERP. What a soul-destroying line of work...
October 13, 2008 8:23 PM
I did some ERP consulting. Mind numbingly boring, indeed. Made $200K a year though. You learn to live through the pain pretty quickly.
- October 14, 2008 12:35 PM
Andrew -- nice to see you back; thought you were stuck in some middle eastern madressa somewhere.
- October 14, 2008 6:29 PM


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