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Peter Gabriel Plans Five Disc Box Set to Celebrate 'So' Album's 25th Anniversary
Peter Gabriel has remastered his 1986 album 'So' and added live footage and bonus tracks to create a five-disc boxset to be released in October. 'So (25th Anniversary Immersion Box)' will be available on Oct. 23, according to Amazon.
Fans get the completely remastered album — featuring hits like 'Sledgehammer' and 'In Your Eyes' — as well as the two-CD 'Live in Athens' album from 1987. There is also a 'So' DNA CD, which provides insight into the creation of the project, from the birth of rhythms to song development and writing.
DVD performances of the 1987 'Live in Athens' set — produced by Martin Scorsese — are also included. This is the first time the footage has ever been released, as it's been remixed and pieced together from over 150 reels of negatives. Another DVD includes a documentary explaining the making of the album, featuring interviews with Gabriel as well as co-producer Daniel Lanois. While it's not confirmed that this documentary is the same as the one being produced for release in September by Eagle Rock Entertainment, the descriptions are very similar.
Box set bonuses include a vinyl collectible with two previously unreleased tracks called 'Courage' and 'Sagrada' plus an alternate version of 'Don't Give Up.' There is also a 60-page book with new liner notes, and rare or never before seen photos.

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Hmm… My Ears Seem to Be Overly Healthy
My ears probably feel so good because I have had an entire season off from the deafening dumbness of one Joe Morgan on Sunday nights. Ahh… feels great, doesn't it?
And despite the acidic aftertaste of all-things ESPN, I do have to admit that Sunday Night Baseball has been refreshingly awesome in 2011. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Orel. Thank you, Bobby.
Tomorrow night, however, will be an extra special affair: Sunday Night Baseball on the 10th anniversary of the September 11th tragedy, live from New York's Citi Field.
And I will be there.
My healthy ears are eager to pair up with my attentive eyes, to take it all in, to remember with humility, to join in the communitas and the powerful emotional connection we all share with this truly remarkable pastime.
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Like the 18th-century German naturalist August Johann Rösel von Rosenhof, whose beautifully illustrated Historia naturalis ranarum nostratium (Natural history of the native frogs) he describes in an essay in Natural Histories: Extraordinary Rare Book Selections from the American Museum of Natural History Library, Curator Darrel R. Frost has created a comprehensive reference about amphibians.
Dr. Frost's, however, is a decidedly 21st-century endeavor. He manages Amphibian Species of the World, an online database and classification system for about 7,000 amphibian species, of which about 6,200 are frogs.
The database lists all scientific and English names, and their synonyms, for each species; it also references not only the papers in which each name was introduced, but also all the literature that has allowed scientists to construct the amphibian tree of life. Species in the database have as many as 50 names coined by different researchers at different times.
For example, the common toad (widespread in Europe), Bufo bufo, has 53 Latin synonyms—with references dating from 1554 to 2010—and four English names. The list of synonyms, presented in the order that they were introduced, is a "nomenclatural history" for each species, Frost says.
The database also has an important role in conservation efforts. Launched as a print publication in the 1980s, it has helped the implementation of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), which today lists 131 amphibians as regulated species. The current database serves as a dictionary for species names so that regulators of wildlife trade can "speak the same language," says Frost.
Learn more Dr. Frost's work in the video below.
Edited by Tom Baione, the Museum's Library Director, Natural Histories: Extraordinary Rare Book Selections from the American Museum of Natural History Library (Sterling Signature) showcases 40 essays about spectacular holdings from the Rare Book Collection.
A version of this article, and an excerpt from Dr. Frost's essay, appeared in the Winter issue of Rotunda, the Member magazine.


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Olivia Wilde had her doubts about finding love withJason Sudeikis as she feared she wasn't "beautiful enough" for the funnyman.
The "Tron: Legacy" star met Sudeikis for the first time on the set of "Saturday Night Live" in 2011 but the pair didn't begin dating until six months later.
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The first would be Robert Stephens but the second and whom I think he really is would be Christof Sperl.
My speculation comes from the wording, which is cut off, at the bottom right. I think that spells Sperl and the word at the right could possibly be Christof, I theorize this by the first letter and second could be Ch…. and the word is long enough to be Christopher.
He and his wife Margaret Buchl emigrated to the USA in 1869. Two of their children made the trip, Anton and Barbara. Two more children were born in the USA, Thomas in Baltimore and Margaret whose birth place I do not know.
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Saturday, April 10, 2010
Who Owns the Story
'Why do you bother looking at Helen Garner?' my friend said. 'She is not so self-reflexive as certain other Australian writers. Writers like…'
He hesitated, scanning his mind, '...like Drusilla Modjeska.'
Ping went my mind. Back to Modjeska.
'But she lives in Sydney,' I said, and my friend laughed.
'You have to have access to her?'
I have asked myself this question many times over: why do I feel this need to mix the writer with the text?
Why can I not stand up like any self respecting critic and simply analyse the text? Why do I find it so unsatisfying, simply to pull apart someone else's story on the page?
Why am I always trying to get myself inside the story, to get inside the story of the back-story by way of any connection I might form with the actual writer?
The writer and the text are not the same, I know that. But often times I find I am more interested in the writer, than in the text, and yet the text leads me to the writer.
Halfway up the Burke Road hill in Camberwell, just before the railway station there was once a bookshop known as The Little Book Room. It was unusual for its careful selection of books, as if the owners had handpicked each book with great and loving care. The shop had the feel of a personal library. It was like roaming through someone's store of books in an overcrowded house. The books even lined the steps and at times appeared in what seemed like no particular order at all.
It was in this shop that I first came across Drusilla Modjeska's, biography of her mother, Poppy. The cover drew me in, the sepia toned photo of a mother and her baby, the words transcribed from the text, Modjeska's words, so familiar to me now, a mother urging her baby to look into the mirror.
'There, see there. Look it's you.' That moment of recognition, between mother and baby, that moment of connection.
I bought the book and read it over the next weeks. The story and the writing gave me hope, the greatest hope of all that someday I too might be able to write like this.
Modjeska became my initial point of reference for my own attempts at writing. When my writing teacher in the novel writing class I joined in 1997 criticised my narrator as drowning the energy from my story, I listened only with one ear, one eye. I wanted too much to be like Modjeska. She could get away with it. Why ever could I not join her , imitate her style?
Now I recognise the need to find my own voice, even as it echoes back in my ears, tinny and self serving, with none of the gentle cadences and rhythms of Modjeska's words, but I must trust myself, otherwise I will plunge back into that empty space of my childhood where I seemed able only to copy the greats.
Poppy's story impacted on me, the thin veneer of criticism against Modjeska's father who could not understand or show compassion towards his troubled and sensitive wife, Modjeska's grandmother, China, who bore Poppy into the world, China who seemed so cold and unyielding.
I read Poppy with an eye to the words. Their meanings did not envelop me until later. I was so entranced by the sheer lyricism of Modjeska's prose that initially I did not take in too much of the story. The childhood memories of Modjeska's mother, her mother's depression, all these images washed over me. I found I was more concerned with the narrator, than with the one whose biography she records.
In an essay about the process of writing Poppy, Modjeska writes: 'To write as an act of remembrance, is to be like a lover, a perfect lover who can enter but not possess...'
I have been in the wars of late over issues to do with the business of ownership. Who owns the story? - the person who writes the story? the person written about? None of us or all of us?
I ask you.
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- Kass said...
Oh Elisabeth, such a good question. I hate to see you struggle so over your style. I think you already have one, but then, you need to shoot anyone who tells you what they think your style is. It has to be so organic, so truthy (sorry for the Bushism, but it works here), that you feel a rightness in your gut that screams, "Yes, that's what I meant to say."
YOU own the story. It's your telling. It's your imagination and word groupings. It's your business how you approach it, what you want out of it. You're looking for truth, not fans.
- 10:18 am
- joanna said...
As a general rule the reader and writer seem to have a symbiotic relationship, but often there's a lot more to it than that. You pose an interesting question here and one I am afraid will take some considerable thought in which to answer. I am not a scholar so will leave it to the experts, but in my fumble and humble opinion
I agree with you here: There, see there. Look it's you.' That moment of recognition, between mother and baby, that moment of connection."
In the final analysis I love the quote you used the process of writing Poppy, Modjeska writes: 'To write as an act of remembrance, is to be like a lover, a perfect lover who can enter but not possess...'
Pretty much sums it for me
- 10:27 am
- Avo said...
Legally? Morally?
Isn't this something that would vary with the specifics of each case?
It was interesting to hear bit about the process process you went through in finding your voice... About what inspired you and how, and the effects it had.
Thanks for sharing this story.
- 10:53 am
- Anthony Duce said...
I liked this a lot. I think all three own the story. It has to be. Why write it, or read it otherwise?
- 12:07 pm
- Bonnie Zieman, M.Ed. said...
Hi Elisabeth:
An interesting question that seems to involve the issue of boundaries.
If the story touches on or involves you, it seems to me you have every right to write about it - it is your life story.
However, to decide that you find the life of someone still alive something you want to write about -would require some sort of permission, would it not? The story belongs to them. They lived it; it is their history; they own it. To write about it without their permission, it seems to me, would be a boundary violation.
Of course in this world of scandals and celebrity, boundary violations are committed all the time without the bat of an eye. It is just my personal opinion that boundaries need to be respected when considering writing a biography. I guess that is why some biographys mention on the cover that they are 'unauthorized'.
In an autobiography we do write about others (e.g. family members) who affected our lives and though we do not need their permission to write of our experiences - to consider the effect it would have upon them and to tell them what one plans would demonstrate respect for boundaries. As you are articulating, the autobiography is a complex situation re: boundaries and permissions.
For those of us who grew up in families where there was sexual abuse, we may not have learned about nor had any example of respect for boundaries.
Ownership and boundaries are ever entwined - and not just in the field of real estate!
- 12:24 pm
- Gabriela Abalo said...
Great question: Who owns the story? Well once the story is written and shared, it belongs to everyone who reads it.
The person written about owns the experience, the writers owns the style in which the story is being told and the readers own the interpretation of the same. So the story belongs to the universe…
I also ponder if my writing style is good or not or if it is a style at all. Coming from IT and with no training on writing, here I'm attempting to become a writer! But, I try not to allow this pondering to stop me from following my heart, I want to write and connect with others through my writing, so I'm doing it and fully enjoying the process. Please do the same, be yourself, mix it a bit with Modjeska's style if you want to, and with any other style you feel like… after all is you creation, your are the artist and your own master.
on a personal level – I do like your style a lot.
- 5:59 pm
- Lorenzo — Alchemist's Pillow said...
Who owns the story? Emotionally, the story (or poem or painting or photograph) is owned by the caring reader who loving makes the story her own the way you have done with Modjeska over the years and in this beautiful post. That's how I feel it anyway. Not that this would get me very far with a copyright lawyer ...
What a moving image of the mother trying to get the baby to look in the mirror
- 8:09 pm
- melissashook said...
I think it's so interested that Modjeska's words were so seductive that they screened the story from you. Or you allowed them to screen the story.
I imagine that you are usually looking for the underneath/the underbelly.
Thank you. This was interesting.
- 9:14 pm
- June Calender said...
Gabriella's first paragraph answers your question the way I would and I'm grateful to her for saying it so precisely.
I read your post and the comments with interest because I am teaching older adults who wish to give their stories to others, mostly the younger generation of their families. The variety of stories and of abilities to tell them is a challenge to me; how to help them find a voice and enough language within their lifelong personal, sometimes distorted, views in the mirror. Several have become more articulate over two months time. In their cases they know they own the story and they very much want to give it form so they can give it away. To don't dare speak of finding their "voice", the concept is too paralyzing; I can only praise the segments of their work where that voice breaks through.
- 10:10 pm
- Kirk said...
One bit of writing advice I've read in various manuals and the like is to just flat out copy a favorite writer until your own style gradually emerges. Easier than introducing a new style from scratch.
Who owns the story? That the writer owns the story as it's be written, and the reader owns the story as it's being read makes sense to me. Whatever you do, however, don't the reader own the story as it's being written. That would be a big mistake.
- 5:51 am
- Leslie Morgan said...
Elisabeth, I read your post and had to give it much thought before I could answer the question you posed. Some of what I say will be redundant because others rang in earlier than I and share some of my feelings about this, but I'll comment anyway. And be reminded that sometimes I come in sideways on things. I'll speak in the first person.
My life experiences are mine only. It's my life and I am the owner. But if I share some of my life with you in some way, then I've given you a vested interest in my life. If you care about me and feel something about my life, then your vested interest is a bit larger. If you go so far as to write about my life, then you've taken a very large vested interest in it. But your writing about my life, the art you make with words, is yours. I may have a vested interest in that writing, but I do not own it.
I feel that each of our stories are the property of everyone we touch in any way. And those we touch will tell revised and renewed stories that are partly our property because the core story began with us.
That's the way I see it.
- 7:46 am
- Elisabeth said...
Well Kass, thanks for your encouragement. The reason I asked the question 'who owns the story' has more to do with writing my own story when the story includes others, and also the confusion that arises between what stays private and what belongs in the public sphere when more than the writer is involved. I shall continue to struggle with this one and hopeful blog about it further when I have the issues more clearly enunciated in my mind.
- 4:52 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Alesa. I suppose there is a difference between our legal obligations and our moral ones. One, the legal might seem more black and white - 'though shalt not libel' - but I think both are fairly murky.
I find the process of wading one's way through the writing process fascinating. From your comments, here and elsewhere it seems you're interested in this, too. I imagine we share lots of common ground. It's fun to compare notes. Thanks.
- 5:26 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Anthony. I'm glad you liked my piece and I agree, we have to own our writing to some large degree, otherwise, as you say, why ever would we write it in the first place.
- 5:29 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Hi Bonnie.
I agree, 'Ownership and boundaries are ever entwined' and it's vexed alright.
There's a huge debate in the literature about the business of using clinical material from therapy and writing about it without and even with permission from those whose therapy is described, including when it is heavily disguised.
Freud could get away with it one hundred years ago but it's not so easy today. Even the wonderful Olve Sacks's work can come under qustion.
There's also the work of folks like Thomas Causer who writes about 'vulnerable subjects', including children, those who cannot speak for themselves. Do others have the right to represent them. The debate goes on. It's is endless. I was thinking closer to home in the case of my own memoir.
It's irresolvable but at least we can think and talk about it. Thanks again for your thoughtful reponse, Bonnie.
- 6:09 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Gabriela. I suppose writing is like oxygen and the sky, it belongs to us all, most times its free - the writing that s not necessarily the paper on which its published or our access to it - but it's not available for people to use abusively.
The trouble is that sometimes people use writing to abuse others, sometimes inadvertently.
And yet, you're right we need to be free to write as our hearts dictate, free from the constraints of other people's dictates. and that's not always easy or possible.
- 6:14 pm
- Elisabeth said...
I like your take on these things' Lorenzo that the story belongs to the 'caring' reader. It's funny, as I was writing this comment here I accidentally wrote the word 'loving' in place of 'caring'.
I suppose there is an element of love in care.
Thanks, Lorenzo for your thoughts. I'm glad you too enjoy the image of mother and baby in mutual recognition.
- 6:18 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Melissa. I tend to read things on the surface, often times at least initially and then come back later for a more in depth look, if I feel those underneath elements dragging at me on first read.
Modjeska's writing is work I like to come back to. Every time I read it I see more that I missed first time around.
- 6:21 pm
- Elisabeth said...
June, it's true that people are often terrified when it comes to speaking out, to finding their own voice, both men and women. women, at least of my generation because they've been taught from early days to be mindful of others and men because they've been taught to get it right.
Thanks, June. Keep encouraging those students of yours to write their stories. It's most important that they do so.
- 6:25 pm
- Elisabeth said...
I like the idea as you say, Kirk, 'That the writer owns the story as it's written, and the reader owns the story as it's being read' , but it makes for a number of readers and writers, even of the one story and of course there's then the difficulty of what happens when conflict arises as to the veracity of the story and whose version holds water.
Thanks, Kirk. We'll keep struggling on with this issue for many a year, I'm sure.
- 6:34 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Les. I agree with you here, too, the business of investment in the story, whether it's one we have lived, one we share with others or one we write about it counts most of all
In this sense too, I think essentially it comes down to what Gabriela writes about as the issue of 'caring'.
As long as we care, as long as we are sensitive to what we write and try hard not to write gratuitously in order to make others suffer through our writing then we have done well enough, at the level of respect for ownership, at least.
Still, it's a tough one and I'm never satisfied with where I stand. I can always see things from so many different perspectives, my own and those of others. It's hard to settle for one.
I'm still full of doubt.
- 6:42 pm
- steven said...
elisabeth i might have a strange perspective on creativity but i'll share it here and see what you see. i think that writing and art and music and anything creative comes from a place that has nothing to do with the individual. when a story needs to be told, a song sung, a painting painted, it passes through a person who grounds it in their own "voice". they bring it to the surface. "ownership" then is about the shaping and forming of that creative energy into something accessible. everyone has their own voice. borrowing elements of voice from other creative people - well i see that as a necessary feature of learning about your own voice. steven
- 10:56 pm
- Mim said...
If I became involved in these wars, I would become paralyzed and unable to write.
The battle, I believe, is really about who is telling the truth, who is lying.
- 11:26 pm
- Kass said...
Thanks for the clarification. I guess I was responding to your opening statement about confidence and style, but all of these ownership issues are a part of that. I loved reading the comments here. What an interesting discussion.
"DGIRGIW" was written on the chalkboard of a seminar I attended years ago. We all mused about what it could stand for and finally the instructor said, "Don't get it right, get it written." I hope you are just pouring it out somewhere without the inner critic.
- 1:35 am
- Jim Murdoch said...
Lis, I've always made my feelings on ownership very clear in the past. It's up to the reader to supply the meaning. Just as you're doing right now. I write sentences and I expect you to understand what I'm thinking. You have an advantage that many don't in that you have read a lot of my writing and have had the opportunity to interact with me on a one-to-one basis but all of that has been very limited. You do not know me. I think the more you get to know me the harder it will be to read my writing for what it is without looking for the hidden meaning behind everything I write. You can ask me what a particular poem means to me and I'll tell you but even knowing that it will still never mean the same to you.
I'm finalising a poetry collection at the moment which I expect to be called This is Not About What You Think. The reason I think I'm going to go with that title is because I want to underline the fact that each reader will read into the poems and come to the 'wrong' conclusion. They will assume what they have in their hands is a veiled autobiography rather than a work of fiction and they'll try and connect the dots; they won't be able to help themselves. The fact is that yes I am the glue that connects all of these poems but that doesn't mean that I experienced each and every thing. Some I did, some I saw others experience, some I heard or read about, others I simply imagined. So, yes, this is all me but after 31 years (which is the time period covered) I could tell you what I was thinking when I wrote some of the pieces.
All this digging, and I'm as guilty as the next man, suggests that the work you have in your hand is in some way inadequate, it's doesn't say enough. No book will ever say enough. That is where the reader comes in, to fill in the blanks. When I fail to explain I'm not short-changing my readers. Far from it. I'm leaving something for them to do. This is a partnership. Beckett used to object to questions about the backgrounds of his characters. "All I know," he once said, "is on the page," and I feel exactly the same. Carrie's just fixing a blooper in Stranger than Fiction. In one place I say that Jonathan's mother had two brothers and in another I say she had none. Now she has two sisters. The simple fact is that I made up his family as I was writing. I didn't know he had a sister at the start of the book and only introduced her when I needed her.
The writing process of, of course, of great interest to other writers and I'm sure that spoils books for us because we read them as writers. I don't have that problem with music. I'm listening to a piece by a British composer as I write this. I know she'd British and female (because the album is called British Female Composers: Vol. I) but I don't feel the need to get out the liner notes and read all about her. The work will stand or fall on its own merits. And that's show it should be. No writer should be more interesting than his writing. As far as I'm concerned my writing is far more interesting than I am.
- 2:52 am
- Eryl said...
I have a problem with the whole notion of ownership. It strikes me as a construct that exists to help us deal with, and justify, jealousy – jealousy being fear of loss, rather than envy which is the way it's often used. And it goes back, at least, to the likes of Hobbes who seemed to argue that we are all monsters who would see another starve while keeping all the apples for ourselves even if they rot in a pile.
But, if we can find another way to view humanity, and nature as a whole, and believe instead that given the chance we would just take what we need and leave the rest for others, ownership begins to disintegrate. I know I will happily share my food, shelter, transport, and story, with whoever needs it, as long as I am left with enough for my own needs. So why should I think any less of anyone else? A story doesn't get used up, so we can all use it if we need to, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. Thus a story can't, or at least doesn't need to, be owned by anyone, it just is like wild blueberries or driftwood.
Does this make any sense at all? I hope so, and I hope it helps.
As for voice, yours rings clear. I think our voices are shaped by other voices. For years I wrote letters as if I were a Jane Austen heroine, then I read Solzhenitsyn, and Hemingway, and Sylvia Plath, and and and...
- 5:26 am
- Mare Biddle said...
Legally the "creative expression" of the facts and circumstances of someone else's life belongs to the author. With or without the subject's blessing.
I very much appreciate searching to find your voice. For me, finding my voice was easy, feeling comfortable in that skin, is quite often a struggle. My overall view of story and the world is not recognizable among the "li-tra-chure" upon which I was raised. ;-)
When I compare my inside author's voice to the outside voices represented all around me, my skin truly feels like it doesn't fit. I try very hard to stay out of that tree, and when I can't I yell for someone to get me the hell down. :)
- 7:42 am
- Elisabeth said...
Well, Steven, this seems a lovely way to think about ownership.
It means that as writers we become facilitators of sorts - the medium though which the message emerges. The same could be said of readers and in this sense both the message as reported and the message as read might only be as good as the persons writing and reading it. Thanks Steven. I trust I've read you correctly. Voice is part of the medium and can be influenced again and again both by the writer and the readers.
- 9:33 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Mim. I hope they're not wars so much as discussions, but they can become heated and they can also sometimes lead to paralysis, at least temporarily.
As for who's speaking the 'truth' and who not, that's another war and one that I suspect can be far more bloody.
Thanks again, Kass. As for the dictum: DGIRGIW, I couldn't agree more.
- 9:37 pm
- Elisabeth said...
I'd like to agree with you, Jim, that your writing is far more interesting than you, Jim, but I refuse, mostly because I find people ever so fascinating, however ostensibly dull, and from the little I know of you, you're anything but dull.
Om the other hand, I agree the most routine and dull event or person can be made far more fascinating through the writing. I tend to care about the writing most of all, when it comes to reading, but when it comes to life, I think I care about people more. I'd like to be able to blend both.
I suppose when I first hear about people, I also begin to imagine about them, sometimes I even go on to write about them and along the way I begin to make up things, as you say, like the reader who 'comes in, to fill in the blanks'.
I love the title of your next anthology, 'This is Not About What You Think'.
I look forward to comparing notes, about what I think, what you write and how wrong or right I can be in my understanding of it.
Thanks, Jim.
- 9:47 pm
- Elisabeth said...
I'm intrigued by what you write here, Eryl, particularly about the notion of ownership and how it connects with jealousy, and our human struggles to share.
I tend to be a deeply competitive person. I figure it is because I am sixth in line in a family of nine.
It has made me sensitive to the notion of sharing, not only having to give way to another's needs, but also to wanting my voice to be heard, even if occasionally it means drowning someone else's out.
Let's face it the writing community and the blogoshpere more generally, like the world at large, is just one gigantic family whose members are struggling to make our mark, to find food and comfort, to connect and to be heard.
And as for voice, that's the great determinant of who's more likely to be heard. Therefore it's important.
A squeak can be as effective or as ineffective as a roar.
Thanks, Eryl.
- 9:56 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks for the encouragement, Mare. We, the authors, own our writing - unless its been plagiarised.
And I agree with you about the importance of finding your own skin - voice - as based on your own internal sense of voice, rather than trying to emulate others on the outside.
- 9:59 pm
- Phoenix said...
A story collects the souls of every person who has contributed to inspiring the author to write it; every person who has read it; every person whom the story is about.
Using this logic, a story belongs to everyone. There is no ownership once the story takes flight and lands on the shoulder of a reader. It is free to flutter about the universe and kiss or curse as many as it wishes.
- 6:45 am
- Jane Kennedy Sutton said...
I think it's everyone the book touches, including the author, the readers, and the characters.
I find it's easier to write in my voice when I'm in the "zone" - simply writing and not thinking about what or how I'm writing.
- 9:05 am
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Phoenix. You're right I'm sure, the story belongs to everyone, and yet, that's not how everyone feels about their own story.
Has anyone ever written about you in a way that left you feeling objectified? Has anyone ever taken a bit of your story and looked t it through their own lens and it has left you feeling dissatisfied because it is not quite how you see it, how you'd like to see it? How you'd like others to see it?
This is the sort of 'ownership' I had in mind when I wrote the question, but of course it's impossible to get around.
- 3:06 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Books and stories have powerful effects on those who write and read them, Jane.
Thanks for our comment here.
I agree with you, too, that writing comes easiest when you don't have such issues swirling through your brain. To me they are like the monkey over my shoulder and this monkey has been visiting me a lot lately.
- 3:08 pm
- A Cuban In London said...
What a gem of a post. It's great to see that although I'm away I can still access thought-provoking posts like yours. Many thanks.
Greetings from Kuala Lumpur.
- 5:59 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Cuban. I trust you're having a wonderful time in Kuala Lumpur.
It is indeed wonderful that you can read my blog from there as well as from London and that we can all communicate from so many different locations.
Ah the joys of the Internet.
- 10:59 pm
- Kass said...
Elisabeth - Here's a link to an Australian blog where the author is hosting a give-away. I can't enter because they won't ship overseas. Thought you might be interested. It's for a rug.
- 1:29 am
- Tommaso Gervasutti said...
Elisabeth, I must reread your post and also all these comments,
the question Who Owns The Story? is for me a further pursuing of the issue concerning poetry or prose works that once written get a life of their own...
- 2:48 am
- Tommaso Gervasutti said...
I am reading the comments, yours is certainly a basic question...I was thinking that the story is yours in the same way that the air we inhale and exhale absorbs our selves and becomes ours for some time, the space of single breath, before being cast back out, with our own, each a little different, particular hues...
- 2:57 am
- Aleks said...
Hi Elisabeth,Im with Steven on this one, so I do not have to repeat the same as I do believe we are just messengers!For people trying to make a living out their creativity that is different I think,and well, as soon you throw something on the market to be sold you automaticly are getting yourself in trouble cause there are so many of them who will shout out they were the first to come with certain idea or concept and we all know that is not true!There is no true ownership I think!The ones who would go so far to protect with violence what they say is theirs is one way of looking at it and oh,boy this is very interesting matter,I would love to come over and chat with few of you on this, as language is very important to bring these matters correct to the talking,listening companions!!
And Im not a Communist,maybe a socialist,more humanist and from there I start! Greetings from Holland and from me!!
- 11:02 pm
- Dave King said...
It's a process of osmosis, I'm sure; finding your own voice, the sound of the writers you love and/or admire will be in there somewhere.
- 11:29 pm
- Barry said...
You raise an interesting and important question. I have always looked at it this way---
Legally an author owns his/her work and deserves appropriate compensation for it.
However, a reader's understanding and appreciation of that work belongs to them. So, once published,the ownership of a work of art becomes a shared responsibility.
By the way, I like your style.
- 2:29 am
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks for the link, Kass. I checked it out. Interesting blog, though I'm not sure I need any new rugs at present. I'm too busy dealing with the dust from our re plastering efforts. Some of our walls have cracked through the drought.
Thanks Davide, for your thoughtful response. I'm inclined to agree with you - the story is ours much like the air we breathe, but at the same time we share that air. We must take care not to pollute it.
And thanks Aleks for your ideas. The idea that we are messengers rings true for me. Though, they shoot messengers, don't they? I have been shot at once or twice. I'm still standing but it can be scary.
I too would love to chat with you. You have so much energy and enthusiasm. It's always refreshing to hear from you.
- 8:40 am
- Elisabeth said...
I'm all for the notion of osmosis too, Dave, but osmosis in an active sense of the word.
I think we absorb other writings, often unconsciously, but the need to practice what we absorb is far from passive. Thanks, Dave.
Yes, Barry. Here you seem to be referring to that notion put forward by the wonderful, Roland Barthes - the death of the author.
We might hold legal ownership of our written words, but the readers can claim their own interpretations and their manifold meanings.
Thanks, Barry.
- 8:45 am
- angela simione said...
the notion of ownership implies responsibility. who is responsible for the comment i am leaving right now? you? nope- me. it is my responsibility not only to write clear sentences, but also to withstand the rebutal the refusal of what i've said. to defend my position (my story) when it is confronted. to defend my home (my voice) when it must be defended. and also my responsibility to welcome others in to my home.
i definitely agree with the outlook that writer and reader are a pair... but until the piece finds its way out in to the world, there is nothing to read. it doesn't exist for us yet. and that's a good thing. it's yours and yours alone and the wrestling you do during that time makes it yours. you are the only one responsible for maintaining your voice. the pull is one of trust. i wrestle with this constantly- how do i finally trust my voice?
- 12:06 pm
- Elizabeth said...
I have no idea. I was married once, a long time ago, to a man who was studying for a PhD in English Literature. I always wondered at the unhappiness of his colleagues -- how tortured they were discussing deconstruction and all that literary theory.
I'm a voracious reader -- always have been. I like what I like and am pretty snooty about it. But it basically stops there!
- 4:34 pm
- tony said...
Not just with writing!
An Example:
2 years ago I went to a small play in Bury.We were meeting a couple of friends at the Theatre.They lived locally but we had to travel a long distance.We arrived late.The Play had already started (I say "play" but it was a comical audience participation affair).We walked in & took our seats and were amazed to see our 2 friends up on stage with the actors.They had been dragged up on stage to take part in a sketch.
I was much taken with this ! I always carry a small camera in my pocket ( I have taken shots before\ without flash.the Theatre has always been fine with this & even used some on their website) Anyway.......I took a photo of one of the actors with my two friends.I later published the photo on my blog.
Somehow the actor in question (who himself has a blog)found out and started saying I was breaching copyright;they had asked before the performance not to take photos;etc etc.
Now,my question to him was who owned "the copyright" of any images of my 2 friends ?(who were pleased with both the photo & the blog.and who felt they had been duped into being made to go on stage in the first place & who felt they were slightly mocked by the actor anyway)
I took The Photo (my copyright?)
the 2 subjects in the photo (their copyright?)
The actor & his Company (his copyright?)
The Theatre itself (their Copyright?)
My conclusion?Ownership can never be exclusive.
- 9:44 pm
- Momo Luna S!gnals said...
Hi Elisabeth,
such an interesting question, that means also interesting comments.
A story being told; the person in it is the owner of the experiences in real life, he or she can agree or disagree with the writers point of view, but the writer is the owner of the written story. The writer creates a world for her words, her visions, her feelings about the story. The writer transforms the real world into an own universum. And the reader owns the feelings, thoughts etc, (s)he experiences when reading.
So i think the writer owns the story, the words that create the story.
Pffff i wish i could write this in dutch haha, now i can't find the exact right words. But okay, this is what i think in the great lines.
And i like your style a lot Elisabeth. I don't always comment because i don't always know what to write. But i love visiting your blog.
Have a wonderful weekend!
Sweet greez, Monica
- 12:57 am
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks Angela. You write with such wisdom. It belies your years.
It seems to me that you and I struggle with similar issues - voice, trust, truth and untruth in writing etc etc. I'm about to post another piece on these issues.
I also agree with your comment here about the need to be able to defend your voice, your writing. That need is hardest of all.
I have a tendency to see things from multiple perspectives - my own mixed perspectives, all those contradictory views that run around my head - on the one hand this on the other hand that - as well as the perspectives that I deduce from others.
It becomes very top heavy in the thinking department. In the end I have to trust myself, even against the baying of the hounds; even as I'm stuck up a tree with no way down except to wait it out and hope that the hounds will get sick and tired themselves of waiting and go off elsewhere for their pound of flesh.
Please forgive me if this response to your comment is cryptic and full of mixed metaphors. I hope you catch my drift.
- 10:12 am
- Elisabeth said...
Hi Elizabeth, you with the 'z' in your name as against mine with an 's'.
I hope it doesn't sound as the the torturous thinking I go through is that of those postmodernists who go on ad nauseum about deconstruction etc.
I am caught up in the postmodern, post post modern wave, and very relieved to be. In earlier times I would never have dared to write as I do, but I like to think that my concerns are more practice based.
I am a pragmatist first and foremost. I like to write to be read and therefore I try to stay on the ground. Not for me the wonderful but arcane flights of theory that drive some people into fits of agony and/or delight.
Still I think the abstract and theoretical work has its place, just not at my place.
- 10:19 am
- Elisabeth said...
Tony, you describe it so well, this battle over ownership.
It reminds me of all the legal hassles that erupt over intellectual property and copyright.
A woman once write me a letter threatening to sue me if I ever spoke again about her or certain of her connections again.
It's a long story and I shall not go into it. I was comforted by my husband who talks about the three aspects that underlie legitimate claims: Duty of care, Breach and Damages.
To begin one needs a duty of care towards the complainant. At some level as writers we hold a duty of care to the public. The second is that the complainant can demonstrate some sort of breach, some failure on the part of the writer to do the right thing - Slander or libel are good examples. And the third is that of damages - the offended person needs to demonstrate some level of damage done. It's not enough simply to feel miffed.
I know the situation is more severe in America than here in Australia. At least here in Australia we are not quite as litigious, but the threat to sue someone merely because they have written something or done something that has offended you is still strong.
What a combative world we live in and at the core if it all is the issue of what's mine and what's yours and whether or not we can share.
Thanks, Tony, for your thoughts and this wonderful example.
- 10:35 am
- Elisabeth said...
Monica, how kind of you to respond here when it is hard to write as clearly as you would like in English.
I wish I could write in Dutch. One day I should ask my mother to translate for me and then you can have the pleasure of speaking to me directly.
I will say once again as I have said to others I so admire your efforts to write English. We, who only speak the one language are not nearly so clever and so brave as you who struggle and succeed in communicating with others in a different language.
As well, you describe very well here your argument about ownership and I agree with you entirely:
'The writer creates a world for her words, her visions, her feelings about the story. The writer transforms the real world into her own universe. And the reader owns the feelings, thoughts etc, (s)he experiences when reading.'
Thanks, Monica
- 10:43 am
- Aleks said...
When we are born are we born with the ownership of our words and deeds?
Or we are teached and preached what to think,how to think,what to like and what not? And than how far we are from the really our likings or choosing s when everything what we were reading,learning is coming from somewhere else? We learn words,letters,how to make sentences of thinking process or the sensations or emotions,if we are not able to put the words to work than the artistic(in my case nearly autistic)manners are born,and than,what is really ours? All of that in written word,made by hands,heads,hearts or human machines which came before us,how much of that is part of us?? Than how can you speak of ownership? That is more and closer to the point I was trying to reach with my answer,thank you for listening! So! Greetings from me!b :O)
- 1:32 pm
- angela simione said...
i'm waiting for those hounds to tire too.
or for the tree to grow so tall i can't hear their growls and don't care about them anymore.
- 2:25 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Thanks, Aleks, for your comment here. I think I understand that you are saying something about how everything we do is derived from somewhere and someone else.
In that sense no one owns anything outright when it comes to writing and art. We might own the physical paper, the ink, the paint, the canvas the stone, but the ideas, the concepts and thoughts, they are all shared.
- 2:13 pm
- Elisabeth said...
Yes, Angela. Those hounds never tire for long. Just when you think they're asleep they jerk awake ready to bite, to tear you limb from limb and all you can do is duck for cover.
Then you must wait it out, until the next quiet patch, when you can get on with your work. And never say die.
Thanks, Angela
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Saturday, September 27, 2008
Saturday Musings 9-27-08
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I especially like number 5- I think I am so far out of the region for the others above though = )
- September 27, 2008 at 4:24 AM
Thanks for mentioning me. Working on CATME Part III now.
- September 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM
I like Jasmine! She's got it right my friend! Have a great weekend.
- September 27, 2008 at 10:36 AM
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Jan's Jello Shots
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Dissolve jello with 1 cup boiling water, add 1 cup vodka and srir, pour into shot glasses, ice trays, or in 1 oz plastic cups found at party supply stores (they even have little lids for them), chill until firm. Each person can use a knife or their tongue to loosen the edges of the jello and then suck them down. If you use the 1 oz plastic cups and lids you can serve them by placing all of the cups in a large bowl filled with ice...they will stay cold longer, and they look really festive! * Try making an assortment using several flavors of jello!
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Cirkuit 0.4.2 release announcement
November 16, 2011Posted by on
Version 0.4.2 of Cirkuit has just been released. Two major bugs have been fixed:
- the Upload example dialog was not working after a 'Save As…'
- there was an issue with duplicated menu items when using a translation (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285658)
and additional bugs that could lead to segmentation faults are also fixed now.
A part from bugfixes, there is one change in the user interface: the status bar has been removed. I remember reading a discussion on plasma-devel about status bars in general, and I realized that the status bar in Cirkuit was really sub-optimal. For example, error messages were displayed on the statusbar only and they could easily be unnoticed. Now, a KMessageWidget is used to notify the user of preview generation events. I think it is quite an improvement over the statusbar: the messages are much more visible now and the user is still not required to click anything to go on with his work.
A couple of screenshots showing Cirkuit without the status bar and with active messages:
Qalculate backend merged
November 7, 2011Posted by on
Yesterday the Qalculate backend for Cantor has been merged into master, which means that it will be included in the upcoming SC 4.8 release. Looking at the activity on the repository, it looks like the Scilab backend has also been merged, making Cantor even more versatile. The Qalculate backend offers interesting features like:
- customizable functions
- units
- arbitrary precision
- plotting
You are encouraged to refresh your Cantor build and test the new backends. Head over to the project page and get the sources.
Progress on Qalculate backend for Cantor
September 28, 2011Posted by on
This is a follow-up of the previous post about the Qalculate backend for Cantor. Thanks to the work of Martin Kuettler, the backend is already in a pretty good shape for inclusion in SC 4.8. The majority of the supported extensions has been implemented.
In the screenshot below, you can see the "Variable Manager" in action, with a trivial example of unit conversion
Another extension that has been implemented is plotting.
Additionally, some calculus and linear algebra operations can now be done with the help of the GUI.
If you want to test, checkout the qalculate-backend branch from the Cantor repository.
And again, a big thank you to Martin for working on this!
Qalculate backend for Cantor
August 23, 2011Posted by on
A very popular request on the Qalculate forums is a port of the KDE3 interface to KDE4. While there is no progress that I know of on this task, there is now an alternative for KDE users: using Cantor as a graphical interface.
As some you already noticed, I have recently pushed a new branch, called qalculate-backend, into the Cantor git repository. The backend was originally created by Milian Wolff and recently I have also been working on it. The main functionality of the backend is already implemented, as you can see from the screenshot below.
Some work on the help system has also been already done, but it's not complete yet:
What is still missing, compared to the other backends already available, is the ability to support LaTeX output, variable management, linear algebra support (to guide the user in the creation of vectors and matrices), syntax highlighting and tab completions.
If someone is interested in contributing, please leave a comment below! The target would be to implement most of these features before SC 4.8 and merge the backend into git master.
Cirkuit 0.4 released with many new features
August 10, 2011Posted by on
Hello planet,
it's been quite a long time since the last post, I've been extremely busy at work lately. I am pleased to announce a new version for Cirkuit. I've been using it quite a lot lately and I think it's ready for public consumption.
Here's a showcase of the main new features:
- the preview widget has been completely reworked. Now it is possible to zoom in/out the preview or you can 'Zoom to fit' like in the previous releases of Cirkuit. This can be useful when you work on large figures and you want to work on some small details. Now you can zoom in the desired area and track the changes there easily. Additionally, the generation of the preview has been optimized and should be now much faster than in previous versions. The resizing of the widget is also now smoother and faster.
- The templates used by Cirkuit to generate the preview are now editable. They can be configured with the new 'Template manager', which supports Get Hot New Stuff so that you can share and download new templates. This feature is mostly interesting if you want to use some LaTeX package inside your figure. You can now simply edit the template and add custom \usepackage instructions.
- Are you particularly satisfied with the figure you just created with Cirkuit? You can now share it with the community via the built-in GHNS support. You can also download the diagrams shared by other users.
- The keyboard shortcuts and toolbar are now fully configurable, so you can now redefine the shortcuts to generate the preview, export it and so on.
- Especially interesting for developers, a new backend system (similar to the one used in Cantor) has been implemented. This means that it's fairly easy to generate a new backend and add it to Cirkuit. As an example. a new PSTricks backend has been created and added in this release.
- The help system has been also improved, providing the correct documentation for the currently used backend (if the backend supports it)
In addition to these new features, several bug fixes and minor improvements have been also implemented. So, get the sources here, test the application thoroughly and file bug reports and wishes at bugs.kde.org. The source code is hosted on git.kde.org.
New features for Cirkuit
February 28, 2011Posted by on
Good news everyone!
a major update of Cirkuit is approaching with a lot of bug fixes/improvements on existing features and of course a whole bunch of new features.
- a much improved preview widget with variable zoom levels
- manuals and examples of each backend can be accessed in the main interface
- improved multi-threading -> Cirkuit generates the previews faster
- improved parsing of log files and error handling
- increased usage of K* instead of Q* classes for a better integration with the KDE environment
- redesigned configuration dialog
New features:
- a new backend system (heavily inspired by Cantor) which will make it much easier to write new plugins for your favorite graphic tools
- new template system with GHNS (Get Hot New Stuff) support
- you can now share your figures with the rest of the community via GHNS (the idea would be to create something along the lines of Tikzexamples)
- configurable keyboard shortcuts and toolbars
Just a screenshot to show off a new feature:
In the coming days/weeks I'll add new posts to explain the new functionality in detail. In the meantime, you can compile latest master from git.kde.org and try the new features yourself. For any bug/wish, please use http://bugs.kde.org. Stay tuned!
Cirkuit 0.3.1.1 released
December 20, 2010Posted by on
Cirkuit has been updated to version 0.3.1.1. The main differences with respect to version 0.3 are:
- Added possibility to export to TeX source
- Can export to GIF
- Fixed a bug that caused wrong syntax highlighting detection in Kate
- Correct escaping of mathematical expressions in the Gnuplot backend
- Fixed a bug that prevented the user to overwrite an exported file even when the user has confirmed that he wants to overwrite it
- Fixed compilation issues
- Improved localization
- Various minor bugfixes
Additionally, the migration of Cirkuit to the KDE infrastructure is now completed. This means you can now find the code at projects.kde.org/cirkuit, you can submit bugs and feature requests to bugs.kde.org, and you can use reviewboard.kde.org to propose patches. From now on please use these tools, so that bugs, patches and feature requests do not get lost in comments or mails. Thanks to the KDE sysadmins for the great job!
Introducing Cirkuit
December 11, 2010Posted by on
Hello Planet!
in this post I would like to introduce another project I have been working on lately: Cirkuit. It was born as a KDE interface to Circuit macros (hence the name), a great set of macros that can be used to produce high-quality diagrams typically (but not limited) for inclusion in a TeX/LaTeX document. The main purpose of Cirkuit was then to provide a "live preview" of Circuit macros code and to export the result in various formats (PDF, EPS, SVG, PNG, JPEG).
However, since I used also other graphical tools to produce graphics for my publications/presentations, I wanted to add support for other "backends" in addition to Circuit macros. At the moment, there are two additional working backends: TikZ/PGF and Gnuplot. So, it is now possible to write TikZ and Gnuplot code and get a preview of the result. The interface in based on the Kate part and so it also supports syntax highlighting. Here are a couple of screenshots:
Notice the use of LaTeX in both the examples to nicely format the legends/symbols.
Cirkuit just moved to git.kde.org (thanks to the sysadmin team). If you are interested in it and want to check out/contribute code, visit the project page.
Advanced calculator runner
December 7, 2010Posted by on
Hello Planet!
since this is my first post on the Planet, I'll shortly introduce myself and my activities in KDE. My name is Matteo and I am the maintainer of the Qalculate plasmoid and runner since SC 4.5. I am also the founder and maintainer of Cirkuit, a KDE app to produce publication-ready graphics using different backends (TikZ, Circuit Macros, Gnuplot).
In this post, I would like to describe some features that have been introduced in SC 4.5 (and polished for SC 4.6) in the Calculator runner. The reason for this post is that apparently many people are not familiar with many of the features offered by the Calculator runner since 4.5.
First of all, how do you use the runner? Simply press ALT+F2 and type a mathematical expression with a '=' sign at the beginning or at the end of the statement, as shown in the figure below.
Since KDE SC 4.5, the calculator runner has an optional (compile-time) dependency on libqalculate. So, if you compiled kdebase with libqalculate support enabled, the runner has some "advanced" features, like unit conversion, exchange rates, equation solving, and many more.
This means that you can perform calculations involving Newton's laws of motion or Ohm's law just by pressing ALT+F2 and typing the expression (see pictures below).
You can't remember the derivative or integral of a certain function? This can also be accomplished by the runner:
You can also solve equations:
You can find out additional features at the Qalculate website. I will write an additional post about the Qalculate plasmoid, illustrating more features of the Qalculate engine. Feel free to suggest improvements in the comments.


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Having just got back from our week-long Christmas vacation in Florida, this morning we shopped for groceries to replenish perishables and other food items in short supply. Since today (as of my typing this) is December 31, I decided to go through the coupon folder to see which coupons were expiring today and might be for things described as "perishable" or "other food items in short supply." We had two coupons for a dollar off a jar of Spice Islands seasonings. Since all our spices are in full supply, we decided to discard them. I mused about making a purchase anyway and somehow sending the spices to our future selves. Then I realized that we have a time travel device right here in our home.
In order to build up suspense I will now go off on a tangent. (You may want to skip to the next paragraph, but you are sure to be disappointed if you do. Patience is always rewarded.) Sending food to the future seems tricky but I soon realized that I have done it many times in the past. You see, in order to get a really good deal on boneless chicken breast, it's best to buy a "mega" pack of breasts (usually more than five) which any normal individual and few families could easily eat in one sitting. One of my workarounds for this problem (because, believe me, I do buy in bulk if the deal is good enough) is to grill all the chicken at once on the outdoor grill. I might even grill some steaks or burgers along with them since I usually try to maximize the use of the charcoal and they do taste so good and smoky when they're done. Cooked meat lasts much longer than raw. Another workaround is to cut up the chicken and put it in marinade for Cashew Chicken. I cook one batch of chicken and put the rest into ziplock bags and then into the freezer for future use. As this crossed my mind, I suddenly realized that freezing food is a way to send it to the future! Could that possibly work for spices? Was it really worth the bother to save a dollar? Would we forget the spice jar in the freezer and not see it again till some future moment, probably right after we bought more spices? That's the sort of classic blunder we are quite prone to falling into.
It didn't seem worthwhile to buy the spices in order to send them to the future. Plenty of other things filled our shopping list, so it's just as well. Now our pantry is restocked and we are ready to celebrate the new year with new food. If you skipped ahead to this paragraph, you are probably disappointed not to see me describing the time travel device here in our own home. I am sorry for any distress I may have caused, but I did warn you. Perhaps working on patience could be a new year's resolution?
I hope everyone has a happy new year. And plenty of spices.
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Hello All!!
It doesn't really feel like Saturday since Dustin was home yesterday, but it is nice to look forward to several days in a row with him home :-)
We went to Freiburg today (about an hour south) - we only went to the area around their main old church. There was a nice farmer's market going on around the outside. Brenna was really funny at lunch time as she just had to have a carrot to eat :-) She ate about half of it which was pretty good for her - and she ate all of her wurst, lol :-)
We took a driving tour after that through the Black Forest south of us. It amazes me how big the Black Forest is! It feels so small sometimes living where we do :-)
Brenna didn't nap today so she has crashed early. We are just planning a day around home tomorrow - hopefully, get cleaning and such done :-)
Well, hope you enjoy our pictures from today - take care! (I loved the stone work around the outside of the church in Freiburg - hopefully you enjoy our foot shot!)


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FA: Hector Pringle and Bernard Spies May 2008.
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This is also an MCSA owned kloof and permits should be obtained - see the main page for details. It is part of the Tonquani Complex. Contact the MCSA for more access details.
Routes/ Gradings
This is one of the most popular kloofs with almost 150 routes. They are mostly multi-pitch natural routes. These routes see grades from 5 to 25. Many classics can be found here such as Hawk's Eye, Stone Needle and so forth.
There is plenty of water and some impressive pools all surrounded by forests. Climbing is good all year round.
This is the grandest and most scenically attractive kloof in the Magaliesberg. The access traverse above the pools between Upper and Lower Tonquani (C) is over polished rock and is hazardous to inexperienced parties. The upper meet point is below Kitchen Crack. The longest climbs are on the Coffin Buttress (80m). The climbs elsewhere averaging 40-50m. The rock is generally excellent and water is always available.
Route guide
SACIN site - Upper Tonquani kloof
New routes
Lethal Injection 21 **** [N] Essentially an alternative to the crux pitch of Last Rites. Climb Last Rites to take a semi-hanging stance at the Coffin rail. This is the rail about 4m above the final roof on the 2nd pitch of Last Rites. 1. 21, 20m Step left onto the slab and climb the groove to where it dies. Step left to a pencil crack and climb this to jugs at the left end of the Last Rites crux traverse. Up to belay at the small tree. Notes: 1. Small cams and wires are useful. 2. The route was cleaned and top-roped before being led. FA: Hector Pringle, Bernard Spies and Linda Watson May 2008.
Accipiter's Edge (aka The Bird of Prey) 23R **** [N] Start directly below the abseil tree to the right of the last pitch of Hawks Eye. Scramble up as per Hawks Eye to about halfway up the leftward sloping ramp. This is just about where the climbing on Hawks Eye starts. There is a reasonable flat ledge here. 1. 23, 30m Climb up in the corner then traverse 2m right to a crack in the face. The crack turns white higher up and curves left under the big roof. Climb the crack and crank leftwards through the roof to a foot ledge on the left. Up the overhanging wall to a rail and wedged prong. Surmount this then slightly left up the technical face to a short dihedral and rail. Place a good small cam and run it out on jugs to the top. Notes: 1. Small cams and wires (especially a good selection of micros) are useful. 2. Runout but gear is solid. 3. The route was cleaned and top-roped before being led. FA: Hector Pringle and Bernard Spies May 2008.
Butcher Bird 24R [N] Ascends the wall almost directly beneath the Hawks Eye abseil tree. It is right of Talons and just left of Accipiter. Scramble up to belay from the big platform directly below the abseil tree. 1. 24R, 30m Climb the slab on the left as for Hawks Eye until able to step right to a left facing corner crack beneath the biggest roof. Swing right to the prow and climb up to the roof. Suck it up to pull leftwards through the widest part. Stay calm in the recess above because you still have to pull straight up through two overlaps to get to the jugs. Don't screw up the last 10m to the tree. Protection on this route is poor. FA: Hector Pringle 2012/02/05.


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PORTLAND, Maine (AP) � The head of Maine's medical marijuana program is out of a job.
John Thiele, who headed the program within the Department of Health and Human Services, told attendees at a Medical Marijuana Caregivers of Maine event Friday that he had been let go.
Rep. Mark Dion, who worked with Thiele as a lawmaker and a lawyer who represents medical marijuana caregivers, told the Portland Press Herald (http://bit.ly/WYl4s6 ) he was surprised by Thiele's dismissal, but said some people in the department thought Thiele was acting more like a social worker than a regulator.
Thiele did not return phone calls to the paper seeking comment.
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