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The Cubs will have a new third baseman, first baseman, right fielder and most likely three new starting pitchers in 2012. Who knows what the bench will look like. You've followed the team all winter. What offseason move surprised you the most? Here are some suggestions to get the discussion started:
* Trading Carlos Zambrano to the Marlins. Big Z met with Theo Epstein and promised he would do whatever it takes to get back in the Cubs' good graces but apparently the team wasn't convinced. They will pay a huge chunk of Zambrano's contract and received Chris Volstad in return.
* Naming Ian Stewart as the starting third baseman. Stewart is coming off a tough season in which he batted .156 with zero homers and six RBIs in 48 games with the Rockies. Aramis Ramirez has driven in seven runs in a game twice.
* Signing David DeJesus as the right fielder. DeJesus, who has a career OBP of .356, is projected as the Cubs' leadoff man.
* Trading Sean Marshall to the Reds. Marshall was one of the most reliable lefty set-up pitchers in the game. James Russell, John Gaub and Scott Maine will compete for that spot.
* Dealing Tyler Colvin (to the Rockies) and Andrew Cashner (to the Padres). Both were first-round picks by the Cubs.
— Carrie Muskat
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to me it was DeJesus… and with that signing I will say, "why sign him if we still have Soriano and Byrd?" We got a log jam in the OF which is fine and its nice to have depth but I was hoping to see B.Jackson up in the ML playing everyday this year. With Sappelt, DeJesus, Soriano, Byrd, Jackson, Johnson, Campana, and Szczur (late in the year)… we got a ton of options… too many actually… And we are supposedly in on Cespedes and Soler from Cuba which are both OFers… Im all for depth but at some point we need to address the issue.
It would have to be trading Sean Marshall and the Ian Stewart project for me. We gave up one of the best left handed relievers in the game for hope; and then we bring in a .156 hitter who has either been hurt or average (at best) for a good share of the last two years, if I remember correctly. Either way I think we gave up too much for too little.
We gave up Marshall because he was going to get REALLY expensive soon… soooo we shopped him and the Reds overpaid for a middle reliever… I will miss Marsh bc he was so consistent but we did get a decent return for him.
OMG…I agree with petrey.
I am hoping with such a surplus of outfielders Epstein may be preparing for the departure of Soriano and or Byrd and is well prepared to go with less power (soriano), more defense being perfeclty content with the likes of DeJesus (a similar player to Byrd actually? Maybe a slght upgrade?) and all challengers for the open LF and CF spots. Although moving Byrd to LF and opening up CF to Campana and or Jackson would be a good thing too. As I have said before, keeping Byrd would not be a bad thing especially if his defense, hustle and speed replaces that of the abysmal Sorinao's.
Idk how to take what Epstein has done… to me it kinda seems like he may have had someone in place to take on Soriano but then something happened (soriano used his no trade clause) and it just didn't go anywhere. If this were the case then I would upset with Epstein…
I see the logic in all of the moves Epstein has made. I was not to happy with losing Marshall, but the return value was too much to pass up. Marshall could give you one to two solid innings a game but nothing more. I know Travis Wood has not yet proved himself, but he could be a solid lefty starter for the cubs for the next few years. Sappelt adds depth in the outfield, and Ronald Torreyes is a good prospect that can hit like crazy. Letting go of A-RAM was hard for me as well because of his offensive production, but the cubs could not afford him and A-RAM did not want to be apart of a rebuilding year. Epstein had little choice in acquiring Stewart. Who else was he going to get in a weak 3B free agent market? One last point, the signing of David DeJesus. To me it was a good sign, not great. The cubs needed a lead-off hitter that can get on base and DeJesus fills that role. They got him for a bargain as well. He also has great defense and leadership. Epstein knows what he is doing and has a plan. When he believes Jackson is ready he will make room in the outfield for him, but for now, he has done an excellent job building up the minor league system, saving money on the payroll, and getting rid of bad contracts.
I really like the DeJesus signing. The guy HAS to produce and he knows it. Not only will he have to endure the RF bleacherfans when things don't work out, but he also will be confronted with it when he gets home. His wife grew up in the Chicagoland area and was born and raised a Cubs fan. So I think for DeJesus it will be "not performing on the field will mean not performing off the field either"
The most surprising trade is the Marshall trade, but it had to be done to fill up the minor league teams again since half of the prospects were traded away by you know who.
I get the OF moves, because Jackson needs to play everday, and won't with the big club to start this year. I say this becuase, if you get a couple of guys hot at the plate, and stay healthy, we could be close at the break. That is the line the front office wants to go by, to keep from writting off the season as a rebuilding year. After all who wants another wait til next year, before this one even starts.
Here is what I think will happen. By the break, Byrd gone, Sori, if he starts the year ok and we eat 2/3 of his contract, he is gone. Jackson comes up and plays every day.
And in Sept. we should see Szczur.
The infield will be whoever steps up and plays well, and if they don't we could see Vitters, and or Rizzo, before Sept..
The most surprising move to me was Andrew Cashner. He seemed to be someone who could be a number one or two starter in the near future. I'm not sure how that plays out, but it says alot about what they think of Rizzo.
split between dejesus and stewart. both are moves that make you wonder if Viters or BJax are ever gonna get a shot. makes more sense to move byrd to right and let bjax play center and just throw Vitters out at third to see if being on the major league team is the kick he needs. I figure dejesus. byrd, baker, and a few pitchers will be dealt by the deadline, but for a year we dont plan on competing, adding veterans after bad seasons seemed like the last thing we should do.
I would be hypocrtical if I were to praise the acquistion of DeJesus. This is the one move that is reminiscent of Hendry acquiring Byrd….a warm body so to speak. I think DeJesus will perform better than Byrd however so I do give Epstein more of a pass than I would Hendry. I don't know why Wally would think DeJesus will be traded by the deadline, he's here to hold down RF for two years. Stewart is another player that I scratch my head over and could be a huge sign that Vitters is a bust because if you HAVE to go outside the organization to get a reclamation project instead of your own "third baseman of the future" what's that say about Vitters? Could be another failure on Hendry's watch.
Got to agree on DeJesus. How does he fit the youth and raw talent plan that suggests even Garza could be traded for plenty of good good prospects?
I would think that the reason Garza is suggested as trade bait to gain youthful players in return is that the team would be saving about 9 miilion over the course of one year whereas
the acqistion of DeJesus speaks volumes on the lack of ready for the big leagues players in the minor leagues. Also, DeJesus makes about half as much as Garza so he is a "reasnoable" stop gap with admirable numbers. However this is not to say I find the acquistion of DeJesus somwhat puzzling. The talent gap between DeJesus and a rookie such as Jackson can't be enough to stifle Jackson's promotion right? Maybe it's a numbers game, something to do with big league service time for Jackson and since the team is not expected to challenge for a title in 2012 Epstein thinks it best to avoid the ML time on the books.
I think what surprised me most was the Ian Stewart move. I agree that it was time for Ramiraz to go but I was hoping for a little better stick at the plate. I knew Big Z was gonna go…he might of fooled Hendry with that "I will do whatever it takes" line but Epstein thankfully was having none of it. I do hope he gets back on track in Florida…he seems to be a great guy and will miss seeing him pitch.
I understand the Stewart project.. he's only 26… was a pretty good 3B for a bit till he went through a terrible rough patch… maybe a hitter friendly park and change of scenery will do him good… and he's cheap! Especially if he can produce. He is also an upgrade defensively to ARAM…
Vitters would be even cheaper than Stewart but at least Stewart showed some promise in the MAJOR LEAGUES. The Cubs are giving him a chance to find that major league promise again, something they did not afford to Colvin who also showed major league promise with HIS 20 ML homers. Ironic, isn't it? Oh well, Stewart although not the answer for third base yet may prove to be a reasonble, cost effective stop gap if not develop into the answer. The few "questionable" acquisitons by the Epstein/Hoyer team are at least reasonable, far from the questionable acquistions by Hendry, which were bordering inexplicable.
I read the following on MLB Trade Rumors.com:
Cubs GM Jed Hoyer appeared on "The Carmen, Jurko & Harry Show"
"I think that's unlikely [that Soriano will start the season with another team]," said the GM. "We don't want to do anything to hurt our pitchers (with his defense), but we do believe there's something left in Sori."
As many as eight clubs inquired about Soriano earlier this offseason (including the Orioles), and chairman Tom Ricketts has made it clear that they're willing to eat most of $54MM left on his contract to facilitate a trade. The 36-year-old outfielder hit .244/.289/.469 with 26 homers last season.
This is great to read, just knowing that our GM is well aware of Soriano's harmful defense
and that Ricketts is willing to eat most of the remaining contract confirms my belief that both management AND ownership are doing all they can to get our beloved Cubs back to the forefront of a baseball dynasty. The mention of Sori having something left is true as the ONLY thing he has left is the ability to connect his brutal swing and hit about 25 homeruns when the opposing pitcher has a brain cramp and puts the ball near the strike zone. This "something left" may still be actractive to a team desperate for a DH (Yankees??) at the right price (nothing??). I believe Hoyer is hell bent on trading Soriano if not before the season then during the season ridding the team of one ot the few last remnants of the Hendry disaster. Hope springs eternal!!
I have been fine with all the trades to be honest – we have a youth movement but still need to win a few games… so DeJesus fits in there. I think the Stewart trade tells us where Vitters is in his development. For me the big loss is my second favourite Cub – Sean Marshall… a great team guy who never once complained about being shunted up and down from starter to reliever til he found his niche.
Now as much as I like Garza – and his ability to win games, he needs to go while at his highest value to restock the farm with 2 nearly ready starting arms. I liked — and still would like – the Jacob Turner rumours.
I have to say, trading both Tyler Colvin Andrew Cashner. While Tyler was awlful last year, he was the one player I held the most hope for. 2010 was pretty good for Colvin although his avg. dropped late in the season. I really had high hopes for him. Andrew Cashner was kind of a different case, it seemed the previous Cubs brass loved him and built him up. The interesting thing, is that when he was all of a sudden on the trade block, he was suddendly touted for a bullpen role. That being said, I like the approach Epstien and Co. have taken and a few years of "building" is well worth the long term gain as this team from top to bottom had become embarassingly weak due to a lot of the latter year Hendry trades. Personally, I am soooo thankful we did not sign Fielder or Pujols. We needed so bad to clean house and we are well on our way. My outlook for 2012 is much better than 2011. I think this team will put up nearly 10 more W's this year. While the "moneyball" approach has become cliche', I like the approach of signing "gamers". I think we have an outside shot of the playoffs (forever the optimist) but will enjoy watching motivated players this year no matter their record. Finally, I am so excited to go to spring training for the first time in my life this year!!! GO CUBS!!!


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"I was in a bit of a state of shock," said Porterfield, who was on a return bus trip from New York when he got the news. "I'm ecstatic."
The movie, Porterfield's third feature as a writer-director, tells the story of a runaway from Northern Ireland who moves in with her aunt and uncle in Baltimore, and the family crises that ensue. It stars Deragh Campbell, Hannah Gross, Kim Taylor, Ned Oldham, Geoff Grace and Nick Petr.
"I Used to be Darker" will be shown as part of the festival's out-of-competition NEXT section, which spotlights "pure, bold works distinguished by an innovative, forward-thinking approach to storytelling." It is one of 10 movies being shown in the section.
The Sundance recognition, Porterfield said, should make the broader film community more aware of his work, especially "I Used to be Darker." Since he's currently shopping the movie around, in search of representation and a distributor, it couldn't come at a better time.
"It's such a big industry event," he said of the annual festival, which has grown from a small indie-oriented gathering into one of the world's premier film showcases.
Porterfield shot "I Used to be Darker" last year, in Baltimore and Ocean City. About $42,000 of the film's budget — enough to fund the Ocean City shoot — was raised through a campaign on Kickstarter.
The 35-year-old Baltimore native's previous films are "Hamilton" (2006) and "Putty Hill" (2010), both set and shot in his native Baltimore. In 2011, he won the $25,000 Janet & Walter Sondheim Artscape Prize. He teaches screenwriting, film theory and production at the Johns Hopkins University.
Porterfield said he already is preparing his next project, a movie centering on a 35-year-old man under house arrest, living with his father. He plans to shoot in it Baltimore, with luck next year.
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Unborn U.S. babies are soaking in a stew of chemicals, including mercury, gasoline byproducts and pesticides, according to a report to be released Thursday. Although the effects on the babies are not clear, the survey prompted several members of Congress to press for legislation that would strengthen controls on chemicals in the environment.
WASHINGTON Unborn U.S. babies are soaking in a stew of chemicals, including mercury, gasoline byproducts and pesticides, according to a report to be released Thursday.
Although the effects on the babies are not clear, the survey prompted several members of Congress to press for legislation that would strengthen controls on chemicals in the environment.
The report by the Environmental Working Group is based on tests of 10 samples of umbilical cord blood taken by the American Red Cross. They found an average of 287 contaminants in the blood, including mercury, fire retardants, pesticides and the Teflon chemical PFOA.
"These 10 newborn babies ... were born polluted," said New York Rep. Louise Slaughter, who planned to publicize the findings at a news conference Thursday.
"If ever we had proof that our nation's pollution laws aren't working, it's reading the list of industrial chemicals in the bodies of babies who have not yet lived outside the womb," Slaughter, a Democrat, said.
Cord blood reflects what the mother passes to the baby through the placenta.
"Of the 287 chemicals we detected in umbilical cord blood, we know that 180 cause cancer in humans or animals, 217 are toxic to the brain and nervous system, and 208 cause birth defects or abnormal development in animal tests," the report said.
Blood tests did not show how the chemicals got into the mothers' bodies.
Among the chemicals found in the cord blood were methylmercury, produced by coal-fired power plants and certain industrial processes. People can breathe it in or eat it in seafood and it causes brain and nerve damage.
Also found were polyaromatic hydrocarbons, or PAHs, which are produced by burning gasoline and garbage and which may cause cancer; flame-retardant chemicals called polybrominated dibenzodioxins and furans; and pesticides including DDT and chlordane.
The same group analyzed the breast milk of mothers across the United States in 2003 and found varying levels of chemicals, including flame retardants known as PBDEs. This latest analysis also found PBDEs in cord blood.
The Environmental Working Group report coincided with a Government Accountability Office report issued Wednesday that said the Environmental Protection Agency does not have the powers it needs to fully regulate toxic chemicals.
The GAO, the investigative arm of Congress, found that the EPA's Toxic Substances Control Act gives only "limited assurance" that new chemicals entering the market are safe and that the EPA only rarely assesses chemicals already on the market.
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Gord Fraser (Health Net) rebounded overnight from a disappointing finish in the second stage of the Grand Prix Cycliste de Beauce to record his 13th career win at the race in stage 3. John Lieswyn (7 Up-Maxxis) finished with the peloton and remains in the yellow jersey.
The 151 kilometre Lac Etchemin stage is one of the hardest in the race, and has been instrumental in determining the final winner in past years. In 2001, Henk Vogels took the leader's jersey during this stage after a long breakaway, and last year a split in the field put all but twenty riders out of contention. The stage is "relentless", in the words of Eric Wohlberg (Canadian National), with constant climbs and descents sapping the strength of the riders.
Starting under overcast skies, with the promise of rain, attacks began almost immediately, but nothing would stick until the first KoM at the 30 kilometre mark, when five riders broke clear. Lubor Tesar (Ed's System - ZVVZ), Jamie Drew (Flanders - Iteamnova.com), Irving Aguilar (Tecos - Mercurio), Burke Swindlehurst (Navigators Cycling Team), Todd Herriot (Health Net Cycling Team) and Matt Decanio (Prime Alliance Cycling Team) quickly established a gap over the disinterested field.
From three minutes in the first 10 kilometres, it went to over 9 minutes by the feedzone at the halfway point. 7 Up wasn't chasing because, according to Lieswyn, "We wanted to get rid of the jersey before tomorrow's Mont Megantic stage. Not by too much, maybe 20-30 seconds, but to put the pressure on somebody else. I was hoping to see the gap go up higher."
Flanders - Iteamnova.com would have been happy to take over the pressure, according to Dominique Perras. "We sent Drew on the break because he was just outside the top 10 - not too far back, but maybe off the radar. We were hoping that it (the break) would get a really good gap and we could move him up."
However, 9 minutes was too much for many, and Prime Alliance were the first to start chasing, joined by the Canadian National squad and, eventually, VW-Trek plus former overall winner Czeslaw Lukaszewicz (Quebec Provincial). After this, it looked to be merely a matter of time, with the peloton reaching speeds on the flat of up to 60 kilometres per hour.
With 15 kilometres remaining the gap was under a minute, and Tesar, who won three stages last year, including Lac Etchemin, attacked off the front of the break. Looking extremely strong, the Czech rider pulled back time on the entire field, temporarily regaining a one minute lead. It wasn't until the final climb, at the 4 kilometre mark that he was finally reeled in.
Determined not to get boxed in like the day before, Fraser latched onto the two Russian speedsters from Navigators - Vassili Davidenko and yesterday's winner Oleg Grishkine. "It was a drag race, and I beat him fair and square. Davidenko's team mate Grishkine made a move to the front before the last corner to lead Davidenko, so I got on their wheels and jumped before they could react. I knew that if I could get to the front before the last little hill I could take it."
Tomorrow Beauce continues with what is considered to be the hardest stage - Mont Megantic - which finishes with a 6 kilometre climb that approaches 20% in places.
Race Notes:
- After the race, Lieswyn admitted that he had thought about hitting the brakes to lose enough time to get rid of the jersey, and that he received radio instructions to do so, but "that is too cheesy - you have to respect the jersey."
- For the second day, there was a crash in the final 2 kilometres. Eric Wohlberg (Canadian National), in fourth overall, did not go down, but White Jersey holder Chris Baldwin (Navigators) did. Both were credited with the same finishing time as the peloton. There is finger pointing at the Japanese Shimano team as the cause of numerous crashes.
- There was some confusion as to why Prime Alliance was leading the chase, when they had Matt Decanio up the road. However, "I've been sick with the flu, and lost a bunch of time on the first stage." explained Decanio afterwards. I'm 8 minutes back, so it wasn't a good move for us to support the break.
- The roads at Beauce are always rough, but this year they seem especially bad and had Eric Wohlberg referred to them as a "minefield."
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Iran: a Bangladeshi perspective on IHL
14-06-2012 Interview
From 27 April to 4 May, the Iranian island of Kish was home to 70 experts from 11 Asian countries attending the South Asian Teaching Session on International Humanitarian Law. Military personnel, government officials, legal practitioners and academics took part in case analysis, group discussions and debates, exchanging views and developing their insights on IHL.
The South Asian Teaching Session (SATS) takes place twice a year. This session was organized jointly by the ICRC, the Iranian Red Crescent Society and Tehran University's Kish International Campus. Rafiqul Islam, Chairman of the Department of Peace and Conflict Studies at the University of Dhaka, was one of a five-member team from Bangladesh who attended this 20th SATS, becoming one of its top scorers. In a conversation with the ICRC in Dhaka, Mr Islam shared his experience of teaching humanitarian principles to students.
What is the relevance of IHL for Bangladesh?
Bangladesh was born out of armed conflict in 1971. Even after independence, internal conflict continued in the Chittagong Hill Tracts until 1997. IHL was applicable to both these conflicts. Bangladesh is also the largest contributor to the United Nations Peacekeeping Mission, with its armed forces and law-enforcement personnel deployed in conflict zones around the world. IHL is therefore important to Bangladesh, both as a means of understanding the consequences of conflict and as a basis for responding to its changing nature.
How important is the academic study of IHL?
History teaches us that armed conflict is an inevitable part of human civilization. There is a saying that "all's fair in love and war," but over time, people have drawn up conventions and treaties to regulate war and minimize its effects. Because IHL seeks to regulate armed conflicts through human behaviour, this body of law is fundamental to peace and conflict studies. Through the academic study of IHL, students learn to think critically about peace, security and conflict from a wide variety of perspectives.
Tell us about your experience of teaching humanitarian principles
IHL was introduced in our department following an ICRC teacher-training programme in 2006. I teach IHL to a class of 35 post-graduate students, who take a great interest in the course once they start relating the principles of IHL to modern-day conflicts such as the "war on terror." Our students study the applicability of IHL to the changing nature of conflict and the ethical and humanitarian issues that arise during armed conflicts.
How would you evaluate the contribution of SATS to academia?
Since IHL is a relatively new subject in many countries, universities and colleges need better support and training if they are to expand teaching of the topic. SATS provides a crucial platform for developing and exchanging IHL resources. For instance, the team from Afghanistan discussed valuable case studies related to armed conflict and violence that will be interesting for my students. However, course participants also have a responsibility to make use of their knowledge, and to enhance it through research and through the promotion and implementation of IHL at national level.


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I am an atheist and my husband is an agnostic - we have 2 boys, 6 and 3. His parents live in the same town and are extremely active in their church, which is a pretty mild Presbyterian church that I would not be so disturbed about if they were not involving our son (and now they want the younger too) in Sunday school and other church activities. They are very pleased that the church has just started offering a Sunday school class for 3-yr-olds! Argh!
The class runs with the school year so we are getting close now. Last year, after my 6-yr old had said some concerning things to me (like, "Only God knows.), I worked up my nerve to talk with my husband about this. I had hoped to achieve a compromise at attendance every other week, and adding different fun non-church-related activities with the grandparents. But when he discusses/fights, he goes quickly from discussion to attack and he would absolutely not budge. There was no compromise at all.
He insisted that this is good for our 6-yr-old, that everything he had researched showed that Sunday school was good for children, made them more moral, etc. That the extra socialization was good, and the in-laws point out that it is a "safe" place where there is no bullying, etc. I haven't even talked with him about the younger yet, I am sure that he will be just as unyielding.
UNLESS, my only chance at making some headway in this is if I can come up with research showing that sending children to Sunday school is problematic, that the brainwashing is something to be concerned about. Has anyone come across anything? My searches haven't really found anything, perhaps I'm using the wrong keywords. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
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Your husband's intransigence suggests there is more afoot here.
Oh of course there's always more history! None that is that relevant here, tho I was really surprised when I realized that he thought as strongly about this issue in the opposite direction that I do!
I don't understand why your husband wants your child to learn about killing, violence and hate. this is what it stands for in the religion. There's plenty of biblical examples and historical examples. I'm not too sure why these church goers love to deny it. There's something definitely "afoot" here.
I agree, and to me, trading "free" baby-sitting Saturday night (they stay over at the in-laws) and Sunday morning for consistent exposure to the church is not being a responsible parent. I have decided that if their attendance just has to happen, then I need to go. I need to be hearing what they are being told in Sunday school and I need to be there at the church service so we can discuss later.
Is this church accepting of gays, marriage equality, women's reproductive rights and science? If so, I might not be too worried. If not, I'm not sure what can be done. Instilling god-delusion into a child is dangerous, in my opinion, and I wouldn't be able to stand by and watch it happen.
I suppose I would ask questions like, "How are we going to explain to little Jack that some kids have two moms or two dads and that is ok, no matter what the church say?" Or perhaps, "How can our sons get a decent education when they are taught to mistrust science?"
This is all based on the church having those problematic views. In particular, I would flip right the fuck out the day I heard my child talking about the fires of hell for non-believers. How can your child possibly keep his mind open to different perspectives when he's told he'll be burned alive if he doubts what the inlaws are telling him?
Thankfully that is not a concern here - while it is a Presbyterian church which does not recognize gay marriage, the pastor has actually performed one gay marriage in the church (made some people made but I guess it blew over!) One of our 6-yr-old's closest friends has 2 daddies - well, this is a college town so it's a pretty progressive community, and gay marriage is legal in IA. :)
So it could be a WHOLE lot worse - but you know, I am still not comfortable. I think one aspect is having them see this entire institution, all these people, not to mention the connotations that go with "school" in a child's mind - just having that entire structure presenting the whole farce as something real.
I attended Sunday School and Bible School regularly all through my childhood - by 12, I was an agnostic, by 20, a full-blown atheist, while having religious parents. With and atheist mom and a supposedly agnostic dad, I can't see that much harm could be done.
I agree that the socialization is a good thing - one of my first girlfriends was the preacher's daughter. But you might talk with them, just as you would if they returned from public school, and ask, "What did you learn today?" If they tell you hinky stories like Noah's Ark, you could mention that not all of the stories in the Bible are true, and in Noah's case, explain that there not only wouldn't have been enough room in the boat for two of all of the animals in the world, animals could never gotten to the ark from America, Australia, etc., and there's not enough water to cover the earth. Over time, they should learn to take what they learn with a grain of salt, or at the very least, come to you after church for verification of what they've been told was truth.
Thanks for your note, that is definitely reassuring. I am thinking that I need to go to Sunday school with them, which I guess will involve slipping in and out so I can check in on both. I just don't want them to be absorbing stuff as true that they don't even think to bring up. Also I really feel I need to know what is going on in that 3-yr-old room because he's at the point where almost anything is taken as fact, there is no critical or contextual thinking for him yet.
One issue my husband posed in the last argument about this, last spring when I requested a compromise of every other week, was the ethics/morality they teach in Sunday school. I still have not come across research or stats on Sunday school but I am reading the Raising Freethinkers book and there is a quote by Larry Nucci, the director of the Office for Studies in Moral Development at Univ of Illinois:
"Children's understanding of morality is the same whether they're of one religion, another religion or no religion."
Which tells me that as far as the issue of learning morality, going to Sunday school is not a factor. (I already felt that, but I just need the back-up!)
I also understand that at age 3 children have no contextual thinking and that skill increases greatly between the ages of 3 and 5. Which may help me in presenting a case that the 3-yr-old should not go until he's 6.
I'll keep looking, thanks for your comments and pls keep them coming if you have something to add!
Well - there's one way that might convince him... but it's kind of a dirty trick. Get him to admit that Einstein was a great thinker. Then show him this link. Read it first so you know what it says: http://bit.ly/EhhVa
@CA - I really don't think that highly of Austin Cline - I find him a bit sanctimonious and self serving, and I'm on the verge of canceling my subscription to his newsletter, but those Einsteinian quotations were great, and I WILL steal them!


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Every Karate-Ka studying Shotokan here under the KUGB are tought Kihon as the very first kata, a basic kata of 2 "basic" moves - gedan-bari and oi-zuki.
The way this has been taught (in my experience) is as a turn to left, lower block against kick then follow up with a punch to the chest, turn block kick from behind, follow up with punch to chest etc etc blah blah blah. Yes that is a very basic description of what the techniques could be used for, however this very much depends on peopel attacking you, one from the left then one from behind while your back is turned. In my experience, this just doesn't happen.
This video I found on youtube is a far more accurate description of the techniques used in Kihon (remember, the most "basic" of kata). Used against a single opponent the opening moves make far more sense in the modern world don't they?


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Posted: Tue 29 Mar 2011, 03:55
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bring back puppy 431.
i love where puppy linux has gone. now that lupu has its own pets and wary is on the move its great.
but i think that there also needs to be an os more like 431 that was a great os for new and old computers alike. it was the best for usb in that respect.
having the newer apps for 431 or directly continuing on from 431 providing great cross platform support. either way would be good.
it would help to have a version of puppy like this. even 431 itself could still be used and update a handy features from newer pups such as the pet get, quickpet, and again the latest updates for the apps.
also i do still think that the current 431 pet offical archive. needs to be added the other 431 pet updates that are around atm that are now hiding in the forums. lost and forgotten.
Edit. I have been rethinking things. after testing wary puppy it si a great version and more like 431 in many ways. maybe if wary was ported to have a wider variety of kernels like 431 then you can do a wary classic. this would not be taking away from any one who has started another version or 431 s i originally intended.
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Posted: Tue 29 Mar 2011, 04:56
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having the newer apps for 431
A lot of newer apps require a newer gdk or even a newer gtk.
There are also a couple of versions of Puppy that are based on even older versions (e.g. 2.14) but with updates. I'm not sure if they're still being updated, but have you checked them out?
and wary is on the move its great.
What advantages does 431 have over Wary?
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Posted: Tue 29 Mar 2011, 10:43
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disciple good points.
first it is a good idea to update the things needed in 431 or as i said make a new pup that can run on more computers new and old like 431
2nd as 431 runs on more computers wary woill not run on newer ones so thats my point
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Posted: Tue 29 Mar 2011, 18:11
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hi Hideho
There are many reasons to use an older series 4 puppy and upgrade it so you can run new stuff rather than upgrading to the latest puppy version all the time when it comes out so your updated. One reason is that unless you have a brand new computer, you will probably find that older linux kernels are faster and less problematic.
Puppy 431 is an excellent base for a decent distro as Jemimah has proven with her hugely popular Puppeee and Fluppy as these are based on 431. The older 4 series seemed to be put together with more care than the later 5 series that is automated by using wolf to grab and compile packages and then tweaked and bugfixed and released.
Upgrading a series 4 puppy to new hights of coolness and that is more updated than the lastest released mainstream Puppy distro is a straight forward and rewarding experience. I personally have gathered together a decent repo of puppy 4.2 upgrades at:
Altho i have not tested these upgrades on a 431 system they may very well work if installed one bit at a time and checked. If you would like to upgrade a 431 Puppy yourself and release it then contact me when youre done as i would like to mirror such a Puppy on my website to help promote it and so people can download it.
Here is what i have done to upgrade Puppy 4.2, you may find that the very same things will work on 431:
Upgrade your glibc version, this is the main thing that will let you run new stuff. This is the package i recommend is:
Upgrade the web browser, the linux 32bit static install of Seamonkey 2.0.13 from the seamonkey site installs nicely and only needs a couple of extra deps/ libs. Run the seamonkey executable in a terminal and take note of the error spam, it will let you know what files are missing. You can grab these files by copy and pasting the name of them into the search engine at http://packages.debian.org . The site will let you know what .deb packages are available that contain the files you need. Download and install them.
If you are running a Puppy version that cannot install .deb packages natively then download this .pet package at:
Also make a link in /usr/bin to your seamonkey executable and name the link seamonkey, you may also find that adding the same link under the names of: mozilla, defaultbrowser, www-browser will make it so that other programs can call upon and execute your newly installed browser, no matter what terminal they are running in or what dir they are installed in.
This method of downloading the new software you want from the vendors site directly and installing a static binary package and then tracking down the libs and other files it needs to run is the best way to upgrade your Puppy. Other stuff you will need to upgrade is the GTK version, sdl and openal (for games) and also add mplayer and the w32codecs and ffmpeg packages so that you can play all the latest formats of videos and music files you download from the internet. And thats pretty much the basic stuff taken care of so then you can start just adding whatever you personally would like on your Puppy.
WARNING: once you start down this path of upgrading core stuff then you can no longer use the usual .pet packages for youre Puppy version. If you start installing them then your new file versions will be overwritten with old stuff and it will break your new OS. This means your best method of installing new programs is to download the linux binaries direct from the software vendor. ie: googleearth from the googleearth site, skype from the skype site, assaultcube from the assaultcube site, openarena from the openarena site... etc. If there is a static version of the program you want then use that coz it will only install stuff in one dir and if you need to remove it then its a really easy and clean affair to just delete the directory. If there isnt a decent static package available for the program you wanna install then try the packages.debian.org site . The .deb files can be taken apart in xarchiver or whatever zip program you use and you can remove alot of junk from them and learn more about their make up etc. Also the debian site lists all the dependencies of the program you wanna install so thats makes it easier too.
Well thats about all you need to know to start pimping out your 431.
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Posted: Wed 30 Mar 2011, 08:26
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wow thanks Sickgut.
just a quick thing for the pimped out 431 could specific .pets be made for it with all the stuff needed such like any other puppy. to make things easier for users to install things themselves. Have you ever tried doing that yourself. i see general .pet packages break the os alot. i just wnat an os where others can easily do things i am not into lenghty processes adn things taking tiem i get bogged down adn to focuesd on it bit i would like to give it a try
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Posted: Wed 30 Mar 2011, 08:51
Post subject: pimped pets for pimped OS
hi hideho
yeah ofc you can release custom .pets for your custom 431 puppy. i would sugget calling your puppy something else to avoid confusion so people dont try the old pets for 431 on your new OS or your new .pets on their old unpimped 431
As mentioned in my previous reply to your post, jemimah based her puppeee/ fluppy on 431.
She has alot of .sfs packages available for her puppeee and fluppy, this is an example of someone releasing packages for a pimped out 431. If your taking an old puppy and releasing an updated version and then making more releases in the future of the same puppy but updated even more your basicly forking development, and maybe others will be interested in helping you. If you took on such an endevour ill help out by providing hosting for you. You also may very well want to add different package management ot her than the puppy .pet system, its all up to you. The linux OS world is your oyster.
Have fun
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Posted: Wed 30 Mar 2011, 09:33
Post subject: Re: bring back puppy 431.
HiDeHo wrote:
i love where puppy linux has gone. now that lupu has its own pets and wary is on the move its great.
but i think that there also needs to be an os more like 431 that was a great os for new and old computers alike. it was the best for usb in that respect.
On the other hand, since puppy 4.31 does 100% of everything that needs to be done, there isn't a lot of motivation to add things to it. It has made it well into the "it isn't broke" status.
When thinking about what to add to it, be careful not to break any of the things it already has going for it. There are a few things that you may really want to do and publish *.pets for. I suggest:
USB Harddrive "full" install:
The idea here is to put the files on a USB hard drive in a noncompressed manner. This would allow you to run on a machine that is short on RAM, has no hard disk but can take and external USB.
A better version of remastering:
The remastering process often runs into trouble because the /tmp directory is part of the file system in memory. When you make a really huge bunch of files in there, things can just run out of room. It also won't work on a full install. Both would be nice things to find ways around.
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Posted: Wed 30 Mar 2011, 11:06
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I can only second this notion with a personal opinion. Although I have both Lupu and Wary on my machine (also PC Linux, Fedora, and SuSe), after weeks of experimenting, I have switched the default operating system back to Puppy 431 because it does more things the way I prefer them done and more reliably than either Wary or Lupu. The only thing I find it lacking is the most recent Seamonkey.
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Posted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 05:09
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I still prefer firefox over seamonkey mainly because it does more adn is installed on all my other os i have (linux mint, Vista, various puppies, linux mint debian edition) it works great for me on my 431 os i have also installed an older version of firefox called bonecho this is firefox
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Posted: Thu 31 Mar 2011, 11:52
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ravensrest wrote:
I can only second this notion with a personal opinion. Although I have both Lupu and Wary on my machine (also PC Linux, Fedora, and SuSe), after weeks of experimenting, I have switched the default operating system back to Puppy 431 because it does more things the way I prefer them done and more reliably than either Wary or Lupu. The only thing I find it lacking is the most recent Seamonkey.
Hi ravensrest
couldnt help noticing what you said about the latest Seamonky being missing from 431 etc, just letting you know that i have a Seamonkey 2.0.12 package for 431 on my site:
just unzip and read the README.txt and follow instructions. its a static install so you can remove it just by deleting the directory also the browser version updates work fine as well so when you install it you will always have an updated browser.
Hope this helps
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Posted: Mon 04 Apr 2011, 09:50
Post subject: puppy 431 pet archivs
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Posted: Mon 04 Apr 2011, 09:51
Post subject: puppy 431 pet archivs
Also this may sound a bit pointless but could all the pets around for puppy 431 be put in one place for easily access. if not the original 431 Package manager then at least the place where all the other pets are stored.
BIgmikle has a lot of them on his site here. http://brainwavedesigncentral.net/mike/ (there are also newer ones that don't work on old 431) He also put this together.
and the link to the puppy 4 apps here
is by no means complete
Others do have there own sites to with old 431 apps. with the advancement of puppy linux and all the newer versions the 431 stuff is hiding in the forums waiting to be found again.
it would be nice to just click on the 431 apps and see them all in one place for people who are still using it.
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Posted: Mon 04 Apr 2011, 13:30
Post subject: im wlling to host a 431 pet archive
Subject description: i just need info as to where all the 431 pets are so i can mirror them
hi Hideho
If you can track down the urls where all the 431 apps are ill see what i can do about mirroring them on a special 431 section of my http://www.thepussycatforest.info
i currently have 10gb spare on my server and im willing to use say 4 or 5gb for this im sure it would be enough
puppy 4 series is the future!
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Posted: Tue 05 Apr 2011, 03:38
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I've used 4.3.1 exclusively since starting with Puppy almost a year ago, and have often read forum posts about someone trying another Puppy, then going back to 4.3.1 because it
just works
. It's also the only older Puppy with a choice of
different kernels.
However, 4.3.1 has a couple of bugs that one must adapt to:
*On some machines, updating the bundled SeaMonkey 1.1.18 to a later version breaks PuppyBrowser. The easiest work-around is to install Firefox, or another alternate browser.
*ALSA Sound Wizard tends to crash, so it often must be run before viewing videos or listening to mp3 files.
Here's a repo of .pets that
work with 4.3.1:
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Posted: Tue 05 Apr 2011, 22:06
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Is Puppy 431 Dead
Subject description: Puppy 431
I to would love to see a NEW release of Puppy 431. I love to use the 431 version myself over the newer releases. I posted once before was Puppy 431 dead.
Please if you are someone else does do it. Please let me know.
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everybody's sayin' that
hell's the hippest way to go
well i don't think so
gonna take a look around it though
—Joni Mitchell, "Blue"
In describing the arc of her songwriting, Joni Mitchell not so long ago said:
My first four albums covered the usual youth problems—looking for love in all the wrong places—while the next five are basically about being in your 30s. Things start losing their profundity; in middle-late age, you enter a tragedian period, realizing that the human animal isn't changing for the better.
I don't know: maybe there's something wrong with me. Because though I guess I too am moving through middle-late age, I think better of people, places, and things than I did when I was younger.
When I was younger, I thought that all would become all right in my lifetime. And I had a tendency to become distraught, at every signal that it might not.
Now I know that won't happen, all becoming all right in my lifetime. But I know now better what life was like for those who came before, as compared to what it is like for those who are here now. Because I have been afforded the luxury of traveling widely, in space and time, through history.
And I see movement. I see an arc. I see that it is long, so very long, but I see that nonetheless it indeed bends that way, towards all becoming all right. Someday.
Not in my lifetime, of course.
In determining whether people, places, and things are moving more towards the good, the bad, or the ugly, it is first necessary to be pitiless in perceiving the true nature of creation.
Alain Danielou does that, in his book Shiva and Dionysus. In unearthing what he argues is the primordial human religion, which he calls Shivaism.
The Creator is a cruel god who made a world in which nothing can live but by destroying life through the killing of other living beings. Thus, no being can exist except by devouring other forms of life, whether vegetable or animal, and this is one of the fundamental aspects of created nature. Life in the world, both animal and human, is nothing but an interminable slaughter. To exist means to eat and to be eaten. All living beings feed on other beings and themselves become food for other beings in an ecological cycle. This is why the Creator himself defines his nature as devouring and devoured. "I am the food, food, food, and I am the eater, eater, eater . . . from food are born living beings. Those who are on the Earth live only by food and become themselves food in the end." (Taittiriya Upanishad, III, 2 and 10, 6.)
This cycle encompasses all of creation, from "[t]he sun [which] only shines by destroying its own substance," to the smallest plant, which delights in devouring flesh: any gardener knows that no plant is happier than a plant that has just been fed blood meal.
The basic principle of Shivaism is to accept the world as it is, and not as we should like it to be. It is only when we accept the reality of the world that we can try to understand its nature, thus drawing nearer to the Creator and taking our place in the harmony of creation. Since nothing can exist without feeding on the life of other beings, we ourselves must take responsibility before the gods who have ordained it so. In order to share with the gods the respons-ibility for the fratricidal acts by which we are forced to devour other living beings so as to survive, we must offer them victims in sacrifice.
It is only when we are fully conscious of the value of our actions, consciously accomplishing the will of the gods who have ordained that life should only exist by death and by slaughter, that we can then limit its effects and play the part which has devolved on us in the harmony of the world. Only then can we avoid stepping out of our role, and avoid the hecatombs which take place when man tries to ignore his own real nature and that of the divine.
I have found one of the more pitiless descriptions of creation in fiction to be Robert Stone's Outerbridge Reach.
A signal that all will not be sunny in this work comes fairly early on, when we learn that the book's title references an odoriferous marsh, receiving a soiled tide; a graveyard of abandoned watercraft, piled atop a ghostly boneyard; the "family estate" of the protagonist.
In a still backwater off the Kill, ringed with light like a prison yard, wooden tugs and ferries were scattered like a child's toy boats. Some lay half submerged and gutted, their stacks and steam engines moldering beside them in the shallows. Others were piled on each other four and five high, in dark masses that towered above the water. Browne knew the place. It was the property of his father-in-law, Jack Campbell. The wooden boats that rotted there, floodlit and girded round with electrified fence and razor wire, had been working craft eighty and ninety years before.
The busy sheer and curve of their shapes and the perfect stillness of the water made them appear held fast in some phantom disaster. Across the Kill, bulbous storage tanks, generators and floodlit power lines stretched to the end of darkness. The place was marked on the charts as Outerbridge Reach.
He remembered scraps of the place's history. Thou-sands of immigrants had died there, in shanties, of cholera, in winter far from home. It had been a place of loneliness, violence, and terrible labor. It seemed to Browne that there was something about the channel he recognized but could not call to mind. On the dark shore, the junkyard hound kept barking as though it would go on forever.
Browne is a man of middle-late age, toiling as a luxury-boat broker, who is "tired of living for himself and those who were him by extension. It was impossible, he thought. Empty and impossible. He wanted more."
And so, though but a middling sailor, and with no experience in such things, he decides to enter an around-the-world, single-handed sailing race.
In an Antarctic storm, he discovers that his boat, a work of human creation, is a fraud—sleek and shiny on the outside, at its core a shoddy chimera of cheap plastic.
The gale whistled in his slackening shrouds like incoming fire. He laughed in despair. He could imagine the long-legged crabs of Fiddler's Green rosining up their bows for him. He felt warm, sweet and powerless, a morsel, a portion. Above all, alone. Also the wind, for all its fury, was not the only sound he heard. There was a worse sound below that made him prefer it.
The sound from below was nasty indeed. There was something human in its nastiness, a squeal, a squawk. It sounded like the gutter, like an obscene threat, a New York objection. Plastic. Listening, he clenched his teeth.
Its whine suggested loud vulgar language and cheap macho menace. Bad workmanship and sharp practice. Phoniness and cunning. Fucking plastic, he thought, enraged. It sounded like a liar burning in hell. Plastic unmaking itself.
That was what it was. And of course he should have known. He had been seeing the crazes and having trouble with the locker doors. Like a little tin soldier in a paper boat, he thought, biting his lip, heading for the drain. He was riding a decomposing piece of plastic through an Antarctic storm.
It was hard to force himself down into the cabin where the whine was loudest. It reminded him of the kind of dirty laughter it was sometimes expedient not to hear.
He sat down at the navigation table and started going through the chart drawers in search of the boat's design drawings. He had not seen them for months. The first document he laid hands on was the rough copy of a brochure he had written himself. He stood up and, holding fast to the overhead rail, got to read his own prose.
"Altan Forty! Master-crafted! A seasoned winner in the newest design! All the elements of the precision-designed racer—attainable! Affordable!"
They were his own words. And of course he had approved the boat. More than that: in imagination he had invented a perfect boat for it to be. It had been salesmanship by ontology, purveying a perfect boat for the perfect ocean in an ideal world. The very thing for a cruise to the perfect island, the one that had to exist because it could be imagined. He had been his own first, best customer.
With every gust the fiberglass screamed.
Browne survives the storm. In his crippled craft he abandons the race—though he continues to submit chart positions, now fraudulent, indicating that he is not only in the race, but winning it.
He anchors off an island, once a whaling station, long-deserted, littered with bleached bones.
Not "the perfect island."
But an island.
An island that is The Thing Itself.
Presenting to Browne, after he has ridden through an Antarctic storm aboard a cruel work of human creation, the cruelty of natural creation.
The nearer sand on the ocean shore was black and soft as dust and he sank sometimes to the ankles. Advancing toward the breakers, he at first felt a sense of liberation. When he was nearer, the murderous force of the great waves was plain. They threw themselves against the stones with much brutality, seeming to double their strength after cresting and accelerate on the final roll. You had only to watch their coming in to feel the dizzying, suffocating force they contained. Each breaker cast up a thin cloud of debris, so that going closer to the water, Browne felt not only icy spindrift on his face but pebble shards and dirt that soiled his eyes. It made him remember than he was not one of the Ten Thousand and that the ocean was his prison and not the road home. The sight of it made him sick so he stretched out and retched on the sand.
Lying there, he became aware of the birds. It was the smell of them, he thought, that had made him sick and not the ocean. There were thousands, right at the edge of the soft sand on which he lay. They had black button eyes and yellow crests through which the sun and spray made rainbows. He stood up and walked over the sand toward them.
Penguins surrounded him like wheat. The ground was slippery with kelp and guano and the landscape stank to heaven. The crowd of penguins gave way to make a path for him. Their clucking calls filled his ears, echoing off the rocks until they made a silence. It was a droll scene, he thought, the Protestant formality of the birds on their icy stone island with a black sky overhead.
[H]is attention was distracted by the sight of a young penguin besieged by skuas. The penguin was alone within a circle of disaster ten feet in diameter. No other bird came nearer. It was eyeless although it stretched its neck and strained to face the sky. One leathery flipper was raised in comic rage at things. The other hung bloody and truncated at its side. Overhead, skua gulls were wheeling. Every minute or so, a skua would descend screaming from the wheel to tear flesh from the dying bird. Browne stopped for a while to watch, then turned away and put the back of his arm across his eyes to protect them from the glare. I want a missionary woman now, Browne thought, to make a story out of this. Mother Carey tending her chickens, God's sparrows falling aslant his gaze. Creatures for sacred inscrutable reasons denied flight are brought piecemeal into the sky as meat.
Browne does not survive the book.
At story's end, his wife, a better sailor than he, is preparing herself to enter an around-the-world, single-handed sailing race.
In his stead.
Such a thing doesn't have to be wise, make much sense; can even be folly.
Because that is the sort of thing that lovers do for one another.
From Eros.
The only force capable of transcending Thanatos.
Which is the force that would, if it could, extinguish all of creation.
In Shiva and Dionysus, Danielou notes how Thanatos expresses itself in the warrior instinct, wherein other living beings are "otherized" and transformed into permissible victims of slaughter.
Since cruelty is one of the basic constituents of the world, it also belongs to the nature of all living beings and is found—more or less disguised—in all men. Apart from vital food requirements, it is found in the form of the defence of vital territory, among both animals and humans. It is also used to ensure the supremacy and "purity" of a species, race, religion, or culture, and is thus one of the causes of genocide.
Each human group instinctively seeks to assert itself at the expense of others, whether "foreigners," or elements who are considered "different" or discriminated against. Any group may be subject to this collective instinct of cruelty. It may be the people of a nearby country, or of a foreign race, a social class or a religious or political conviction. The taste for violence and slaughter is latent in all societies. "Purges" are often considered legitimate by the partisans of whichever regime is in power. As a proverb says, "Give your dog a bad name and hang it."
It is not possible to fight effectively against one of these instinctive forms, while accepting others.
It has been instructive—wincingly so—to see people on places like the Great Pumpkin, people who so piously proclaim their abhorrence of such outrages as hasty imprisonment and torture, nonetheless erupt in full-throated cry that those they perceive as responsible for lawless imprisonment and torture, should themselves be subjected to hasty imprisonment, and, in some cases, torture.
Those, like Alexa, who labored so indefatigably in pursuit of an end to all such wickedness, against all beings, found themselves marginalized, ignored, even belittled, disparaged, and mocked, for declining to support visiting upon the perpetrators, what they themselves had perpetrated.
For the new crowd had righteously given their dog, which was the old crowd, a bad name, and were out to hang it—for the offense of giving a previous dog the same name, and hanging it.
As on the Great Pumpkin a Palestinian man, wounded, as he perceived that it was acceptable there to justify the killing of Palestinian civilians, expressed the opinion that it should therefore be acceptable there to justify the killing of Israeli civilians.
And was told by a Palestinian woman that, no, "neither should be acceptable."
Because we should not fight fire with fire. Diminishing the value of human life along tribal lines is something we should reject with every ounce of our beings.
In this she speaks truth.
Just as the day before, also on the Great Pumpkin, came a man who decried life as suffering, and therefore desired a quick end to it.
He had reached this place:
And in reply came a woman who in her own life had suffered much, and spoke truth when she said:
No, we must choose life and hold onto one another with ever fiber in our being; help one another through despair into love.
Especially if you're talking globally, of course we're making progress. It's undeniable. Things that are today regarded globally as outrageous were 100 years ago accepted as the norm. Out of the mud grows the lotus, you know that. Globalism will thrive when the capitalism that created it is long gone. Just as the internet, developed by and for the Defense Department, has transcended the Defense Department, and is playing a large part in creating a world where nation-state defense departments are no longer "needed." Good things often start in crap. Napoleon brought war to the continent of Europe, but in his wake remained the ideals of the French Revolution, which 100 years later had extinguished the power of every ancient royal family in all of Europe.
A couple months later, still somewhat to my surprise, I found myself thumping the same tub, in sounding the coming cessation of the supremacy of the United States of America.
Globally, the US "went astray" under the first so-called "progressives"—Roosevelt, Wilson, that bunch. When, driven by greed, hubris, and racism, they transformed the US into a worldwide imperial power. Truman's erection of the National Security State sealed the deal. The rest is just one long coda.
The US will continue to wither away as a world power, and that is a good thing. What will be left behind will be the ideals that it preached, though most often didn't practice.
Just as Napoleon, as his armies first moved across, and then receded from, most of Europe, left behind the ideals of the French Revolution—ideals that he had, in most instances, in fact betrayed. The peoples of Europe made of those ideals what they would. It took a while, but those peoples are now in the process of peacefully achieving the commonality that Napoleon once sought to impose by force.
So too will peoples elsewhere in the world come to adopt so-called American virtues, virtues that Americans themselves too often never much bothered with, and ultimately betrayed.
i look at the side of your face
as the sunlight comes streaming through the window
in the autumn sunshine
and all and all the time we're going to coney island
i'm thinking
wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time


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