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Crescendospectredragon demotion (Bureaucrats only vote)
- FAILED - Crescendospectredragon demoted
Basically I don't think he should be an Admin, mainly because of this. He hasn't made a main page edit for over a month and even then it was just one edit. He doesn't believe there is anything for him to do which there obviously is. I think there are editors on this Wiki who deserve the position more than him.
Vote yes if you think he should lose his admin rights or no if you think he should remain an admin. Tom Talk 16:38, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - Tom Talk 16:38, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - Dan the Man 1983 16:39, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way)
- Enacted. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 17:04, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- He didn't take it very well and got blocked for 2 weeks. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 21:02, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
Bunnyjoke demotion (Bureaucrats only vote)
- NO ACTION - demotion nomination withdrawn by nominating editor
Okay, the Bureaucrats on here need a discussion and a vote about Bunnyjoke's position as an administrator as I believe he is incompetent for the position for one reason.
Here it is shown that he does not follow and intends not to follow our Blocking Policy.
This is a core policy for Admins to follow and it states that a user is warned only once, before being blocked. Yet Bunnyjoke is willing to warn them twice before blocking them, which shows his incompetence of being an administrator if he cannot simply follow our blocking policy.
Should Bunnyjoke lose his administrator prvilages because he cannot follow one of our core policies?
Vote yes if you feel he should lose his admin rights or vote no if you feel he should keep them. User will be demoted to patroller if a yes vote is in favour.Dan the Man 1983 15:49, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry Bunnyjoke, if you cannot follow our core policy for adminstration, you do not deserve the position, hence why I started this. Nothing personal okay, but it can be given to someone who is willing to follow our policies. Dan the Man 1983 15:49, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know how this vote is gonna end. Dan, I'm not mad at you so don't worry. Jeff I know how you are gonna vote. Things were looking good for me but not anymore. When I do get my rights taken away, I need a break from this place. It's been full of drama and I'm just way too sick of it. That's all I got to say. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 16:12, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I might only demote you to patroller, since out of admin duties, you are a good editor. Dan the Man 1983 16:24, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see why we can't just say read the blocking policy and in future make sure to follow it, I'm sure if we did he would do that, he's a good Admin in my opinion, he may be a little leniant with vandals but like I said we could just tell him to read the Blocking Policy and make sure to follow it. I'm not sure if anyone has done that but that seems like the right first step, going straight to a vote about whether or not he should lose his rights seems a bit extreme. Tom Talk 16:26, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- He won't be demoted fully, but rather he will be demoted to patroller. Dan the Man 1983 16:37, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- I still think we should ask him to follow the blocking policy, if he doesn't then have a vote but he hasn't even been warned about it. Tom Talk 16:41, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks Tom, but you can't save my ass. Just wait 'till Jeff gets here. I don't want to be potroller. I told you when I get my rights taken away, I'm taking a break. I don't really have much to say, this just sucks. I came here to help out because you guys said you needed admins. I think it's bullshit that I get this when I have done nothing bad, and Jeff pulls this shit and nothing happens. I can't believe it. All you had to do was tell me about this policy that you two make-up as you go along. I'm sorry Dan, but I think you're doing this just to get the heat off of Jeff. I would follow the policy if I get to keep my rights but I can see saying that is not gonna change anyone's mind. Thanks for making me an admin, though. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 16:42, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Since you have stated you will follow our blocking policy, this is now void. We'll talk about you and Jeff on another talkpage. Dan the Man 1983 16:50, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- What the hell, Dan? I never said I wouldn't follow it. I never KNEW about it! -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 16:54, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- As an administrator he should be aware of every rule on the wiki, and should have been all along. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 17:10, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Moved to Talk:Ray Bulgarin - McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way)
- As the vote was to allow only good trivia, no changes need to be made as the Trivia Policy expressly permits good trivia while forbidding bunk and cruft
I know that McJeff is removing the Trivia sections because Wikia don't like them and there not really supposed to be on the wiki but before I became an editor and was just a GTA fan reading about my favourite game I enjoyed reading the Trivia sections and I think a lot of readers do. I'm not saying re-add all the Trivia sections, though I would be in favour of that, but maybe rather than everyone just removing them could people add the Trivia to the article in the chracater's biography or something rather than just getting rid of it all together. Anyway thats my thoughts, could you leave a comment stating your thoughts of the Trivia section, thanks. Tom Talk 14:47, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Below leave a vote, Stay if you think Trivia sections should stay and Go if you think they should go.
- Stay - Tom Talk 21:33, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Stay - Dan the Man 1983 22:43, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Stay -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 14:40, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Stay - Ilan xd 15:27, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Stay Wonderwaffle 16:37, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Stay - Uchiha.Sasuke.B 19:57, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I like the trivia as it is. I think it's fine the way it is, as long as the trivia is true and isn't someone just adding their opinions. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 15:09, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Another thing, on pretty much every page on every other wiki there is a Trivia section, why are we the only ones enforcing this Wikia rule? Tom Talk 19:01, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- If you guys actually want to try to clean up and integrate the trivia sections back into the article that's fine by me, but we're not having miles long trivia lists full of the-sky-is-blue trivia. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 19:02, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Honestly I want the trivia sections back, they could do with a bit of cleaning up but some of the facts in the trivia sections of pages are quite interesting and I think readers like them, and like I said we seem to be the only wiki which is getting rid of them. Tom Talk 19:05, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Incorrect, many of the bigger, more professional wikis don't allow them. For two examples, Zeldawiki doesn't, EQ2i doesn't. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 19:29, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I liked trivia sections and changed the rules on Bully Wiki to allow them. About a year later I got sick of them and started integrating trivia back into the articles because most of the trivia was bunk/useless/garbage/obvious/wrong, and because when there's a trivia section around people never actually improve the article, they just post onto the end of the trivia section.
Let me use, for example, Ray Bulgarin, and the trivia in his article. The trivia I deleted in normal, my points in bold.
- Bulgarin's appearance has changed significantly from GTA IV to The Ballad of Gay Tony. In The Ballad of Gay Tony, his skin tone has changed to a more pale color and his hair color is much darker. Much more detail was also added to his face and he wears a different outfit. Should have been mentioned in the main article.
- Bulgarin is the only associate of Dimitri other than The Killer that wasn't betrayed by him in the GTA IV storyline. Bunk/garbage/obvious
- Ray Bulgarin, Massimo Torini and Dimitri Rascalov are the only main antagonists who don't appear in the introduction of their games. Bunk/garbage
- Bulgarin is the only antagonist in the GTA series to be enemies with two protagonists, Niko Bellic and Luis Lopez. Bunk/garbage
- Bulgarin is the only GTA IV era antagonist who doesn't disappear after his betrayal. Probably bunk/garbage, so poorly written I don't even know what the person who added it is trying to say.
- Bulgarin seemed to be a very powerful and dangerous man, as Niko said in GTA IV. This is also shown in the TBOGT mission Departure Time, where Ray sends numerous thugs and associates in an attempt to kill Luis, but he himself ends up getting killed by Luis. Bunk/garbage/obvious
- Bulgarin's surname in Russian means 'Bulgarian', which is ironic because Ray is Russian. Should be listed in the lede or somewhere else in the article, not in a trivia section.
- Niko pronounces his surname as 'Bolgarin' as it's spelled in Russian, while the others pronounce it as it's written. Wrong, Niko has an accent
- On libertycitypolice.com in GTA IV, Ray is listed as 'deceased' even before the final mission which supposedly takes place either before, or at the same time with the final mission of TBOGT, where Ray is actually killed. However, Timur mentions Dimitri's death during that mission, meaning it actually takes place after the final mission of GTA IV. Incoherent/useless
- Niko tells Packie in GTA IV that he has intentions of going after Bulgarin following Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend (only if Pest Control has been completed first), but Bulgarin would be killed by Luis in TBOGT. This is similiar to Johnny Klebitz, as he told Thomas Stubbs that he had intentions of going after Ray Boccino, who would later be killed by Niko in GTA IV. Incoherent/useless
- Bulgarin is the only main antagonist in the GTA series who was introduced in a different game than the one he served as an antagonist in, as he first appears in the mission Russian Revolution in GTA IV. Bunk/garbage/obvious
This is the way all the trivia sections in all the articles are. Almost every single thing written in them is useless, and even though a few things there aren't useless the sections are still doing more harm than good because they encourage users to put everything in them and never improve the actual article. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 19:26, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Just because you view most trivia points as bunk/garbage does not mean that others do. Also where is this rule on Wikia that states you cannot have trivia points, cause I must have missed it. Trivia sections are good for good information that cannot be intergrated into the article, so I say yes to keeping them. If you feel a point has been deleted that should have not been, then be BOLD and add it. Dan the Man 1983 20:28, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Rather than just deleting the trivia which you say should be in the article why don't you put it in the article? Also I agree with the points Dan has made. Tom Talk 21:28, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- I've set up a vote to see what people want to do. I think we should keep the Trivia sections but just delete the "bad" trivia and put the facts that could be included in the article into the article, and basically just be a lot more strict as to what we allow in the trivia sections. 21:33, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't know there would be a vote on this, but I'm glad there is so I can vote for the trivia to stay. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 14:48, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
- I think that the trivia is very useful, but we can put these information in the actual article. I vote "Stay". -- Ilan xd 15:27, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know if I agree with Ilan, I think it's fine the way it is. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 05:01, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
- I think trivias should stay. Because it makes the article more interesting to read and checking the trivia it's better than scanning the entire page to find the info you've been looking for. And the trivial facts make the players to understand the character/mission much better (of course useless facts or personal opinions shouldn't be written). For exampe I didn't knew that Niko told Packie of having intentions of going after Bulgarin because I've never completed that mission after Pest Control. I first saw it here, thanks to Trivia. So I voted for Stay. -Uchiha.Sasuke.B 20:13, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
New FavIcon
Closed as Successful - GTANiKoTalk 09:29, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm asking if anyone here would like a new favicon (the icon next to the web address). I have asked Tom for his suggestions, so I have posted two .ico photos. The photos are so small that the preview is unavailable, please right click and open to see the full size. They are here and here, or you can vote for the current one. Please select which one or suggest another design. And please note that I used a png to icon converter, so I gues it is supposed to be of this size. Thanks GTANiKoTalk 13:29, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
"g" Image
- Bunny J. (Talk) 15:42, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Haruhi Suzumiya 16:19, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
- --Owen1983 18:02, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
- McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 16:25, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
"Niko" Image
Old Image
I prefer the "g" to show that our wiki doesn't just focus on the GTA IV era. Haruhi Suzumiya 13:37, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
- The "g" is the best of those images but I like the current one so I'm not really sure which one to vote on yet. Tom Talk 14:03, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
- I like the "g" one the best. By the way, how do you add them? I want to know so I can make one for of my Wikis. Bunny J. (Talk) 15:37, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
- I think we should test the "g" one out to see if it looks good before we make a final decision. Tom Talk 18:06, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Still like it. Bunny J. (Talk) 16:59, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, I don't like it on a white background, if it didn't have a background I think I'd like it more. Tom Talk 14:02, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, it would be nice if it was transparent. Bunny J. (Talk) 21:19, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
- I am not keen on the Niko image no offense I like GTA IV but this wiki is about all the games not just one --Owen1983 22:47, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
Fix of the background image
Hello, sorry for the long period of inactivity, I am quite busy. I was wondering if it is good to fix the background image? Certain pages that require scrolling have a plain grey background when scrolled down, so I thought of fixing it such that Niko and Johnny are always visible. What is your opinion? GTANiKoTalk 05:03, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Recuse - I use MonoBook to view the wiki and cannot see the pictures. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 07:25, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - Tom Talk 09:41, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
Weapon Template
Closed as Successful. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 03:52, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
Guys, I was thinking that maybe we should add a weapon template to the weapon pages. It would say things like, how much damage it can do, how heavy it is, how much ammo it can hold, available from, price and... ummm... if you can think of anything else that should go into the template, let me know. I was planning on making it the same color as the character template and my radio station template. I guess that's it. Leave a vote and a comment below. If you think of something else that can go into the template, write it in the "You forgot something" section. Bunny J. (Talk) 15:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - Tom Talk 09:42, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - 涼宮ハルヒ(Suzumiya Haruhi) 12:51, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - Dan the Man 1983 21:05, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes - GTANiKoTalk 13:01, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Alright, I made the template. But I need help adding it. I also don't know too much about prices and ammo so correct me if I'm wrong on something. -Bunny J. (Talk) 15:51, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
- I might also not fill in areas in the template that I'm not too sure about. -Bunny J. (Talk) 15:53, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
You forgot something!
- Available from: (Ammu-Nation, Phil Cassidy's, Bunch Of Tools, etc.) And price in that respective store. -- 涼宮ハルヒ(Suzumiya Haruhi) 12:51, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
Closed as Successful. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 19:21, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking that we could add a protagonist
drop-down menu section in the "GTA Information" menu. I don't want to take down anything else that's up there, just add a menu section for protagonists. Just thought I'd ask. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 04:03, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
- You could put it under the GTA Information sub-header but I woudn't mind a different structure GTANiKoTalk 09:27, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, I could do that. -Bunny J. Dying to talk to me? 18:01, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
Images Patrol group
This is something I had in mind for a long time; we all know the image policy Jeff wrote a few months ago (well, at least the staff here knows about that policy), but, did anyone follow it? NO! And why's that, a simple answer - there's no one who keeps an eye on the recent images uploaded to that site (well, except from me, but I had enough with being the only one to do so).
Now, I was thinking on creating a special... unit consisting users who will often check the Special:Newimages. These users will be either admins, patrollers, or trusted editors who once locate an image that doesn't follow the policy, will inform the uploader with the policy. If the 'Image patrol' member has no admin rights (i.e changing files' names), then he/she will ask from an admin to do so.
-- ILan (XD • Edits • Home ) 15:49, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
Deleting templates
This is for staff. If a page is deleted I think you'll all agree that any links to that page should also be removed. I think this is particularly true in the case of templates. For example the 'Expand' template was deleted for a valid reason, however now we have been left with 40 pages which all have a red link at the top of the article. This looks very messy and unprofessional so I think it's of out best interests to remove these red links as soon as the template is deleted.
If anyone has an issue locating all the pages with the red links on then this page should help. It would also be appreciated if anyone who has recently deleted a template would assist me in removing the red links. Tom Talk
Repromotion of staff who resigned the tools
This is something that Dan (Messi1983) and I discussed when I asked to be repromoted to bureaucrat. In short, we think it's probably dishonest for staff to resign and then ask to be repromoted without going through a vote. As it stands right now, ironically, Dan, The Tom and myself have done that one time each, and Dan suggested it's time to make an official proposal, which will go something like this.
- If a member of GTA Staff decides to resign their user rights while in good standing, they are free to reapply for promotion, but they must request repromotion through an official community vote rather than directly to a bureaucrat.
Thoughts? Jeff (talk|stalk) 00:56, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed totally, not because it was my proposal, but because it is only fair and the only right way of doing this. Messi1983 14:13, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree, if a staff member resigns it makes sense for them to have to request a promotion again rather than just automatically get their rights back. Tom Talk 15:55, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree. -- ExtremoMania Talk To Me This Way 18:21, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
I've enacted this policy and added a section on demotion and repromotion to the GTA Wiki:Staff page. Jeff (talk|stalk) 21:25, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
Staff 'hierarchy/pyramid' format
Recently, many wikis changed their Staff/Administrators page into the 'pyramid'\'hierachy' look, and I want to ask if you would like to do the same here...
Here are some examples:
- Assassin's Creed Wiki (original creator of this format)
- L.A Noire Wiki (created by me)
- Red Dead Wiki (created by me)
So, what do you think? -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 10:47, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes - Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 10:47, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes - RusselNorthrop(Talk2Me--Contribs) 10:54, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes - Messi1983 20:36, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes - ExtremoMania Talk To Me This Way 00:43, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes - Tom Talk 08:46, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, can we close it, or should I wait for Jeff's vote? -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 04:47, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- He would have voted by now. Closed as unanimous. Messi1983 06:21, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Allright, I will start work on that soon. -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 06:29, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Done [1] -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 14:15, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Nice, but do choose a better picture for me then Packie for goodness sake. I'm Muslim, put Yusuf or Mohammed the cab driver as me haha Messi1983 15:39, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- LOL, my picture is a joke right? Can I be Billy Grey with that baseball bat instead? 16:09, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, I'll have Niko instead. Messi1983 16:33, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Sure, I'll replace your avatars soon. Would you like artwork or in-game avatar?-- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 17:28, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Artwork 17:33, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
- %100 done. Any compliments can be posted either here, or on my talk page :D -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 18:34, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Related Videos
I received a message about this Wiki trying out a new Wikia feature, here it is:
- I wanted to let you know we have a new related video product that's going to bring even more amazing content to Wikia. We're hoping that your community will be one of the first to try this new feature and give us feedback. In return, we'll be spotlighting wikis that are part of our video pilot program.
- This unique video showcase is designed to play videos related to the content on your wiki, giving you and your community complete control to add or remove videos by each individual placement of the related videos product.
- It's easy. All you need to do is select videos from a growing library of content provided by Wikia and partners such as Screenplay (Hulu, IGN and more coming soon) or you can add videos from YouTube and other supported video hosting sites. Viewers can scroll through and watch the entire selection, and logged in users can contribute to it.
- You can see an example of how the related videos product works on Moviepedia here: http://movies.wikia.com/wiki/The_Artist. The module is in the right rail. You can also browse our selection of Grand Theft Auto videos to choose from here (more to come): link.
- Alternately, Wikia can give you a head start by placing a pre-populated video module with relevant staff picks on your wiki. You and your community still have complete control to adjust what is presented in the related video showcase.
- We look forward to hearing your suggestions on how to make this product one of our best. Please respond as soon as possible to let us know if you want to be a part of this pilot program.
I like the idea and I'm all for trying this out but before I agree to anything I'd like the communities opinion so leave a vote and a comment below.
- Yes - Tom Talk 22:19, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes - RusselNorthrop(Talk2Me--Contribs) 22:26, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes - Messi1983 00:29, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, I guess that 'Yes' - Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 13:16, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Well it won't make to much of a difference for me, because in the example he gave us on 'The Artist' over n Moviepedia the videos don't even show up anyway, they're just black boxes. RusselNorthrop(Talk2Me--Contribs) 22:26, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Hmm, it looks nice, but I'm not sure yet. I'll try it. -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 13:16, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure this is where I should post this. I think that we should have an actual section (possibly on this page) where some users can request a Userbox to be made. For example, I've seen many users sporting ps3 and Xbox 360 Userboxes. But what about my PS2? I still play it regularly and I think many people do, yet there's no user box. I don't have the experience to do it and don't really understand the coding. It's fine if it'll be to hard, as it probably takes ages just to make 1 box. This is just a proposition. Russelnorthrop || talk to me 12:40, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
- I saw pages for Userboxes on some Wikis, and I think it would be nice to make one here. We can call it GTA Wiki:Userboxes Requests. -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 05:08, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Demotion policy
Because this is a very active wiki, we need plenty of people helping out with staff work. But Wikia doesn't like a wiki to have too many admins - if you remember they pretty much told us "no more administrators" after we promoted Haruhi and GTANiko. So having administrators go inactive hurts this wiki.
I would like to propose that anyone who doesn't edit for 90 days have their staff rights revoked so that we can keep a large core of active staff. It should be made clear that inactivity-demotion is not a "punishment" or a "declaration of wrong-doing", and editors who were inactivity-demoted should feel free to request a repromotion should they decide to start editing again. Jeff (talk|stalk) 23:53, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
- I agree to an extent. But I propose that users be messaged first before any demotion action takes place, as it usually clarifies two things.
- They usually reply and tell us why they are inactive.
- If they do not reply within a week or two, it pretty much clarifies they're not coming back. Messi1983 13:59, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Gotta disagree there based on prior experience. Administrators don't like having their powers revoked even if they never use them. Remember Crescendospectredragon throwing a fit when we demoted him even after he said he didn't plan to edit here because there was nothing for him to do? Jeff (talk|stalk) 22:27, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Let me explain in more detail my friend.
- When I say message, I do not mean sending a message saying they're going to be demoted due to inactivity. I mean a message asking them why they're inactive and if they have any plans to edit here in the near future as there is always a perfectly good explanation to inactivity.
- That way when they reply we get an explanation on their inactivity, and when they don't reply, then you know they're not coming back, despite the fact Wikia tells everyone they have a new message on you talkpage on a certain wiki everywhere.
- If they do reply, well we'll watch them for a few weeks as they may think "my tools are safe, so I do not need to edit here for the time being".
- If they never replied, then I think that is time to demote them until they come back, and if they never come back, well the tools are lost and someone else can have them.
- But I also have another proposal, and this is more to do with people being voted in getting promoted, rather then demotion. I propose, that when this wiki has voted a user in to be a patroller or admin, then rather it being a permanent thing, we give them a trial run first, as some users just do 2 or 3 days of editing with new tools and then seem to go AWOL. Messi1983 02:18, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
- I reckon that the inactivity limit should definitely be 90 days. But I also think that any patroller or admin that is going to be demoted should be messaged first on their user talk. They have a right to know before they get back on the computer after 90 days just to find that they have 'randomly' been demoted. If they do not reply after 14 days of the message being posted. Then they should definitely be demoted, as they obviously are just taking up room that newer editors could fill by becoming admin or patroller. Russelnorthrop || talk to me 23:37, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
Message Walls
Anyone think we should activate the new Message Wall feature? The L.A. Noire Wiki, which I am a Bureaucrat on, was one of the test Wiki's so if you want to check it out go to the Wiki and have a look. I personally prefer them to talk pages simply because they're easier.
- Yes - Tom Talk 18:15, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
- No - Messi1983 20:35, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
- No - Jeff (talk|stalk)
- No - Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 13:16, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
- No - RusselNorthrop(Talk2Me--Contribs) 08:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Talk pages are better and this is not facebook, myspace, or any other social networking site, and this message wall crap is daft. Messi1983 20:44, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
- if I had my way (which I don't), I'd make people learn to respond and format their talk pages properly, like everyone who got their editing start on wikipedia knows. Message Walls were conceived of in the first place because of all the kids using Wikia who don't know how to use talk pages, and are just an example of Wikia Staff not wanting to put actual work into making sure people know how to edit. Jeff (talk|stalk) 21:32, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry bro. You know that I support most of your ideas, but this one is something I can't. -- Ilan (XD • Edits • Home ) 13:16, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
- Gotta agree with Dan. RusselNorthrop(Talk2Me--Contribs) 08:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- You agree with me, yet you voted yes whilst I voted no? Messi1983 09:19, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Whoops! I changed that, :P - RusselNorthrop(Talk2Me--Contribs) 09:23, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
Image Policy
I think the Image Policy is a bit ridiculous, specifically I'm referring to the "Image names" section, that seems slightly pointless to me and it is very extreme, deleting an image because the name isn't quite right seems outrageous to me.
I think the community should get a say on this policy so leave your thoughts about the image policy below. Tom Talk 01:09, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Naming section is something I am not keen on with it. What I do agree with always is the licensing menu. I think that should be kept always. But the naming needs to go as people will not follow it well. Users do not deserve to get warned just for naming an image wrong. What we can do is rename the image ourselves, rather then rouse users for naming it wrong. Dan the Man 1983 01:06, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- The licensing menu should be kept and I've been making sure all the images I add have been properly licensed, though I have been having problems with it but that was just a Wikia glitch. It's just the naming section that I have a problem with. Lots of images are added to this site and very few are named "correctly" according to the image policy, it would take too long ro rename them all and considering most of the images aren't named badly it would seem like a waste of time.Tom Talk 01:08, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I am not saying rename them all, I am saying rename those uploaded that are named wrong rather then warning the user who uploaded it for naming it wrong. Dan the Man 1983 01:15, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I wasn't saying that you were saying rename them all, I was just saying that the majority of images uploaded are not named correctly according to the naming section so it would be a lot of rather unnecessary work. I think renaming the really badly named images and leaving the ones which aren't badly named, but are still named incorrectly according to the Image policy, would be a better option. Tom Talk 01:28, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I am not saying rename them all, I am saying rename those uploaded that are named wrong rather then warning the user who uploaded it for naming it wrong. Dan the Man 1983 01:15, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I think it is time we helped people more on here rather then rouse them for every mistake made. People do not want to edit on a wiki where you get warned and blocked for making mistakes.
- If editors come here and do malicious edits such as vandalism, spamming, and harrassing others, then yeah that is a time to act and warn them, or if the occassion arises, block them for policy violation. Dan the Man 1983 01:29, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I also think we need 2 or 3 more admins. Dan the Man 1983 03:04, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
Discussion on Myths
I'd like to encourage an interested someone to start a wiki for GTA Myths. Called, I dunno, gtamyths.wikia.com maybe. Some people here like to write about myths and I (and other administrators as well) have been deleting myth-related content here. However there's no rule about it.
So I'd like to get a GTAMyths wiki started by someone who likes myths, and then make it an official affiliate of this wiki and then make it official policy to direct myth-hunter traffic to the GTAMyths wiki instead of writing about myths here. Jeff (talk|stalk) 16:48, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
- There is already a GTAMyths Wiki. -- Ilan xd 12:46, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
- I think it time a written policy was added about myths. Messi1983 (talk) 22:37, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
Game Infobox Merging and MediaWiki Stuffs
Hello all, My name is Adam, resident geek programmer and stuff here on the GTA Wiki. I've recently begun to edit more frequently here, and even removed my templated userpage to something more personalized, seeing as how I'm going to be making more than a few edits here. One of those edits I'd like to make (which would be more like 20 or so) is merging all the episode/game installment infobox templates, such as Grand Theft Auto 2/infobox, into one template which would be easier to use. It is now available (the coding and usage guidelines) at User:Adam Savage/InfoboxTest, and can be found being tested on User:Adam Savage/pageTest. If implemented, I'd be more than happy to do all the conversion work myself. Now, onto the MediaWiki stuffs. I noticed that we really don't have anything in our .js or .css files. Now, there are some neat (not to mention helpful) toys out there which can be used for any Wiki. Just check out this page on my Wiki, as well as this page. The former has neat tools like adding a clock to the bar at the top of the page, and adding "My Contributions" to the hover menu at your username in the top right of the screen, and the latter allows differentiation between users with rights, such as sysops, crats, staff, helpers, VSTF, etc. and regular users via username hilite. I propose adding both my infobox template, and some of the mediawiki I have on my Wiki to this one, to help make this site better than ever. {{subst:Nosubst|Signatures/Adam Savage}} 01:55, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
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On Thursday, a grand jury in Essex County, Massachusetts indicted 14-year-old Philip Chism on charges first-degree murder, aggravated rape and armed robbery. Last month, Chism allegedly raped and murdered Colleen Ritzer, his math teacher, in the second floor bathroom of Danvers High School before dragging her body into nearby woods.
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An admirable effort is under way to restore the police patch collection of a fallen cop's nephew
On Wednesday, February 22, 2006, Detective Jared Jensen of the Colorado Springs Police Department was murdered by a parolee who was wanted for attempted murder. During the deadly encounter, Jensen was shot once and fell to the ground. The suspect then stood over him and shot him again in the face, killing him.
Detective Jensen's brother — a Lieutenant with CSPD — took his own eight-year-old son to the Memorial Wall in Washington, DC so the boy could honor his fallen uncle. During that trip, the boy began to collect police patches from across the globe.
Lieutenant Jensen's home is one of the more than 500 houses destroyed in the Black Forest Fire. Up in smoke with the rest of the family's personal possessions is the young man's irreplaceable patch collection. Detective Adam Romine of the Colorado Springs Police Department is leading the effort to rebuild that boy's collection, and at Police1 know we can do a lot to help.
In the past, we've answered the call to give aid to law enforcement victims of natural disasters, and we work very hard in our ongoing efforts to prevent parole for cop killers.
While restoring a boy's police patch collection may not carry quite the same weight of those efforts, it is representative of the wonderful — and daily — opportunities we have to support our law enforcement family.
If you have the ability to send a department patch, know that it would be highly appreciated by Lt. Jensen, his family, and the entire CSPD. You can mail your patch to Detective Romine of the Colorado Springs Police Department at this address:
Lt. Jensen c/o Detective Adam Romine
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415 East Pikes Peak Avenue, Suite 200,
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I spoke with Detective Romine today, and he was effusive in his thanks to everyone who has already responded to this call for help.
"The response to this project, not just by the law enforcement community, but by the general public, has been nothing short of amazing," Detective Romine told me.
"I've had people from all over the country calling me to ask what they can do to help him. It definitely helps restore faith in humanity," Romine added.
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This project is a perfect reminder of the sort of gesture that carries so much weight within our community. There are plenty of others.
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One such officer recovering from injury is Richard Donohue. You'll recall that Officer Donohue survived a showdown with the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, and walked out of the hospital last Friday. I've been told that "get well" cards can be sent to:
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I spoke today with my good friend and Police1 colleague Betsy Brantner Smith about the massive impact we can have with small gestures.
"Under the tough exterior of even the most seasoned crimefighter is usually someone with a pretty soft heart, and nothing brings out the compassion in most cops like the opportunity to help out another police family, especially a child," she told me.
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Sure, most cops have an outer shell that would make a turtle jealous, but you're in this profession because you care enough for others to risk your lives protecting them.
Wherever I go, I carry a couple Police1 patches in my pocket. I do this so I can hand them to the coppers I meet in my travels. Today, I put one patch in an envelope and sent it to Colorado, and another in an envelope now en route to Massachusetts.
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Santa Clara University joins the world of open online education with the premiere of a business ethics course exploring the common and difficult decisions that confront professionals. This course will explore such daily dilemmas as pressure from management to falsify reports, resume white lies, and bullying rivals to get ahead.
Partnering with the new Instructure open online platform Canvas Network, Kirk O. Hanson, executive director of the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics at SCU, will teach "Business Ethics for the Real World." The network is another outlet for the growing popularity of Mass Open Online Courses or MOOCs. The idea is anyone with Internet access can enroll in courses taught by some of the brightest minds in the world.
"We look forward to pioneering the MOOC concept both for Santa Clara and for the topic of business ethics," says Hanson. "We can give the public a feel for the quality of education Santa Clara University students receive every day. We're also thrilled the ethical framework we developed at the Markkula Center will be highlighted."
While MOOCs have primarily focused on math and science, "Business Ethics for the Real World" will explore the role of ethics in business and offer practical advice on making decisions in the work place.
"This course is more than a standard lesson in business. It is driven by what we have learned from tackling real ethical issues with Silicon Valley companies. Anyone from San Jose to Shanghai can participate in the ethical dialogue taking place in Silicon Valley," says Hanson.
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A lack of understanding among Timorese political leaders over the country's laws give other challenges to combat corruption collusion and nepotism. Mr. Bano claims East Timor PM Xanana Gusmao violated an article in East Timorese procurement law, while the Government defends that the law is not applicable to the head of Government and should use the "Holders of Sovereignty Bodies Law (07/2007)," which was enacted by Fretilin shortly before leaving office. "The law addresses guidelines for business interests amongst a range of other inclusions," the government spokesperson argued.
The Constitution of the Republic of Timor-Leste states that the Sovereign Bodies are the President of the Republic, the National Parliament, the Government and the judiciary. These entities, and the members thereof, are not considered "agents of the administration" or "public bodies" under the Timorese Constitution.
Agio Pereira commented that "Since the Fretilin Government was responsible for writing and enacting all the aforementioned laws, they would be well aware that no corruption has taken place, and should have been transparent with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation."
"During a time of the global food crisis, the IV Constitutional Government went to extensive lengths to ensure food security. Sixteen Timorese companies were fairly awarded contracts to import rice. The guidelines under the procurement laws were followed and contracts executed only after a lengthy interdepartmental evaluation committee assessed bids and negotiated terms. This was a joint effort across many ministries."
The Government spokesperson continued to say, "The corruption allegations are part of a continued campaign by the Fretilin Opposition to discredit the Xanana Gusmão Government, with the latest and boldest accusations appearing just one working day before Gusmão's Anti Corruption Commission is due to be approved by the plenary of the National Parliament."
Last week East Timor's Parliament started debate and voted to approve the Anti-Corruption law. "It will be the first Anti-Corruption initiative to be proposed or established by any Government," Mr. Pereira praised.
"The timing of this story as propagated by Fretilin was deliberate, we have been working on the Anti-Corruption Commission for almost two years now and this story will not derail our accomplishment or announcement on Monday. Mr. Pereira appealed to the Opposition parties to not only criticise the government, but to focus on the development of this young nation. "It would be more useful for Opposition to focus on the development of Timor-Leste rather than focusing on propagating misleading stories through the Australian media," he said.
"The Prime Minister, who has personally led the campaign to establish the Anti-Corruption Commission, reiterated the commitment and support of his Government to be open to any investigation pertaining to maladministration, collusion or corruption," he finished.


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Sweet potatoes, also called yams here in the United States, are a Thanksgiving staple, especially in the South. They're most often served candied, with a simple sugar syrup occasionally with some citrus or apple fruit flavorings. I'm not for a moment knocking candied yams. In fact, I'm sure I'll make them a time or two myself during the holidays.
However, there is a whole world of other sweet potato recipes out there. My favorite is the sweet potato "pudding," which isn't exactly a traditional pudding recipe but uses the starch of the potato to set up nicely. The flavors of both these recipes are superb. The first is from my own recipe file, the second another offering from soul food guru Willie Crawford.
Sweet Potato Pudding
2 lbs. sweet potatoes peeled and grated
4 tbsp. unsalted butter, melted
1 ½ c. granulated sugar
3 large eggs, at room temperature
1 (12 oz) can evaporated milk
1 c. whole milk
¾ tsp. ground cinnamon
½ tsp. ground allspice
½ tsp. grated nutmeg
1 ½ tsp. pure vanilla extract
Grated zest of 1 lemon or ½ tsp. lemon extract
Preheat oven to 375°.
Lightly butter a 2-quart casserole.
Combine the sweet potatoes and melted butter in a large bowl. In a medium bowl, whisk together the sugar and eggs until light and lemon-colored. Add this to the sweet potatoes and stir just until blended. Gradually whisk in the two milks, cinnamon, allspice, nutmeg, vanilla extract and lemon zest. Pour into the prepared casserole.
Bake, stirring well two or three times, until the sweet potatoes are tender and the top is lightly browned, about 60-70 minutes. Remove from the oven and let stand 5 minutes before serving.
Serves 6 to 8.
Sweet Potato Pumpkin Pudding
1 8 oz. can sweet potatoes, drained
1 c. canned pumpkin
½ tsp. finely shredded orange peel
1/3 c. sugar
2 tbsp. all-purpose flour
1 tsp. ground cinnamon
¼ tsp. ground cloves
2 beaten eggs
1 c. canned unsweetened coconut milk
Sweetened whipped cream
Toasted shredded coconut (optional)
Mash sweet potatoes in food processor or put through a sieve.
In a large mixing bowl combine pumpkin, mashed sweet potatoes and orange peel.
In another mixing bowl, stir together sugar, flour, cinnamon, cloves and ¼ tsp. salt;stir into pumpkin mixture.
Add beaten eggs and coconut milk; mix well.
Spoon mixture evenly into 6-oz. souffle cups or custard cups. Bake in 350° oven about 50 minutes, or until set in center. Serve with whipped cream and garnish with coconut if desired. Serves 6. Enjoy!!!


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Fruit Salad
1 pint of Strawberries cut
3 Bananas
1 Bunch of green grapes
1/2 of a Pineapple cut into bite size pieces
(Of course you can alter the amount of fruit and the kinds of fruit.)
1 small jar of Marshmellow or 1/2 of a large jar (if your going to make it again)
1 package of Cream Cheese (you can use low fat or fat free if you want)
1 Berry yogurt
1/2 c. of Orange Juice
Soften cream cheese, put all of the ingredients in a kitchen aid and blend it for a couple of minutes. Put the cut fruit in a large bowl and cover with the sauce. Stir until well coated.
Thursday, April 10, 2008
Brittany-April 2008
Fruit Salad
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text: Job Discussion Forums :: View topic - unprotected Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today! Job Discussion Forums"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!" FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in unprotected Goto page 1, 2 Next Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion View previous topic :: View next topic Author Message caroline italyJoined: 09 Apr 2003Posts: 14 Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2003 12:42 pm Post subject: unprotected I was just wondering if any country in the world offers ANY form of legal/social "protection" to ESL teachers. I live in Italy and after 20 years I still get shocked at the lousy conditions you are expected to accept and how helpless you are to actually change things. If any other category of workers got such a bad deal there would be a big fuss made - as it is, it's just a struggle to survive. Need to form a trade union...but how??? Back to top shirleyJoined: 10 Jan 2003Posts: 45Location: Italy Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:08 pm Post subject: Unions in Italy Please give us more information on the "conditions" you speak of and what type of institutions you're teaching in. There are several unions for teachers at public schools and universities in Italy. Are you referring only to private schools? France offers a lot of "protection", but of course they can circumvent the laws by operating in ways which do not violate the laws, but do prevent them from having to pay into the social security system, such as limiting your hours and requiring that you have a different "major employer" who does infact pay those taxes. Back to top scot47Joined: 10 Jan 2003Posts: 15343 Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2003 2:17 pm Post subject: TU In both Italy and France there are powerful TU movements. I am pretty sure you would find something if you looked. Go for the ones affiliated to the large Confederations. CGIL in Italy and CGT in France. And in both cases there is effective legislation to protect labour against naughty employers. Back to top caroline italyJoined: 09 Apr 2003Posts: 14 Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:03 pm Post subject: unprotected Thanks for both replies (P.S. I'm a Scot, too). I wasn't really referring to out and out illegal stuff - more like legalised unfairness - like contracts which only last 9 months, leaving you unemployed for the summer. All of the private schools here in Italy (at least all the ones I've ever worked for or heard of) make full use of legal loop-holes to pay as little as possible, giving temporary contracts, no sickness benefit, no paid holidays, cancelled lessons = no pay, etc. They get away with it because they're not actually doing anything prohibited by law (although if factory/office workers got treated like that there would be a big scandal) and the individual teacher can't do a great deal about it since all schools work seem to work in the same way - you can't walk out of them all, can you? I'd never thought about the state teachers' trade unions but I suspect it's a different ball game and they may not be of much help. Still, it may be worth a bash. I'll let you know. Back to top shirleyJoined: 10 Jan 2003Posts: 45Location: Italy Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:47 pm Post subject: There is a great commentary on this subject in the job information journal under France called "know your rights" check it out and find out if the same or similar laws exist in Italy. There are some labor laws that are under EU regulation and these would need to be respected in Italy as well. It's been a few years since I worked in Italy, but we were paid sick days, holidays and paid 13 months per year; however, this was a university and we had a union. Back to top zakiah25Joined: 09 Feb 2003Posts: 155Location: Oman Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:33 am Post subject: It's been on my "wish list" too Yes Caroline, I've often thought about what you're talking about in your opening sentence in your original post on this subject. Here, in the Middle East, we are very much subject to the whims and habits of local employers and an assortment of characters in positions of power. Passport confiscations, delayed pay-days, unwarranted (and sometimes warranted) sackings often without notice, unpaid overtime, cramped classrooms/no resources/40+ students to a class,accommodations that resemble Hell, co-workers with unusual habits both in and out of the classroom etc etc are part and parcel of the scene here. When it affects us, we seem to be powerless so often it's a matter of "keeping your head down" and just getting on with the job. As mere teachers, we lack "wasta" - any real power or influence to change things! We put up with conditions because most of us choose to be here for whatever reasons usually economic, those that can't hack it either resign or just disappear (runners) and break their contracts. Maybe, we need a TESOL/TEFOL International organisation to look after our interests? Back to top richard ameJoined: 16 Jan 2003Posts: 319Location: Republic of Turkey Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:57 am Post subject: LOOK AFTER YOURSELF!!! The idea of having some kind of protective body to look after guest workers interests is not without merit and I personally think that those of us who wish to join a professioal body that is recognised by the host country's education industry is a basic need. However in a country like Turkey unions are not seen as a voice that has any strength or value so basically you learn to look after yourself . Back to top caroline italyJoined: 09 Apr 2003Posts: 14 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:32 am Post subject: I'm even feeling a bit better just reading your replies - i.e. lots of us in the same boat. Zachiah's suggestion for an international body was, I suppose, what I was mulling over when I wrote the first posting, but I can't get my brain around the practicalities of organising such a thing - an international trade union! wow! Now that would be difficult... Realistically speaking, perhaps an international association which unites all ESL teachers regardless of where they're from or where they're working, which helps sub-groups within individual countries gather legal information to protect members, etc. and which could, I suppose, attempt to form a TU within that country - the main "mother" association acting as reference point, data base, meeting-point, etc. You do learn to look after yourself, Richard, I agree with you, but especially if you're living in more isolated areas, the fight is quite lonely and demoralising. Happy Monday to you all, Caroline Back to top shirleyJoined: 10 Jan 2003Posts: 45Location: Italy Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:59 am Post subject: TESOL There is such an organization, it's called TESOL International and its website is www.tesol.org. It has an advocasy section you can click. There is also a TESOL ITALY that you can join. They offer a lot of help to people who are interested in supporting the profession and the rights of professionals and standards in teaching. It's a quite useful organization. Back to top scot47Joined: 10 Jan 2003Posts: 15343 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 9:25 am Post subject: tesol TESOL is NOT a trade union. It is also run as an American organisation. The rival of course is IATEFL and that too is definitely NOT a TU. If you want a TU to represent you at your workplace, it will be different in different countries. In Italy I am sure tha one of the existing unions will give you membership. What the can actually DO is another question. Back to top roganJoined: 03 Mar 2003Posts: 416Location: at home, in France Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:09 am Post subject: An international trade union exists already. As far as worker protection is concerned in France - all legal employment offers sick pay, social protection and the right to go on strike. It is laid down in the Convention Collective. Every employer must make the Convention Collective available to their employees. The relevent Convention Collective should be given in the contract. If you don't have a contract you are working illegally Any language school has to declare your employment and deduct National Insurance payments etc whether you have a temporary contract or a permanent contract. If you do not have these deductions from your salary then you are working illegally. If you are working illegally, how can you complain that your employer does not respect the employment laws? Within the State Education system most 'foreign' language teachers are either 'vacataires' or 'contractuel' - that is working on fixed term, temporary contracts. We all have similar working conditions to our 'titulaire' colleagues. Several teaching unions are actively militating for our temporary and precarious situations to be brought up to the standards of our fully accredited, permanent colleagues. Other countries within the EU have similar rules and regulations. The basic test is simple - pay the standard deductions from your salary and you have employment protection. Back to top richard ameJoined: 16 Jan 2003Posts: 319Location: Republic of Turkey Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 12:28 pm Post subject: teacher unions?? A previous poster made the point that just making a contribution to the relevant body would solve the problem and I'm surprised this was not made clear at the start of this thread. Italy after all is a E.U country and I assume the orginal postee has a valid or at least U.K passport they do have labour laws over there don't they??I know they have them in Turkey but unions thats a diferent story. The various organizations that help teachers professional or otherwise are better placed to provide support on this issue ,but for most of us yours truly included we are basically on our own . But don't stop trying !! Back to top caroline italyJoined: 09 Apr 2003Posts: 14 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2003 8:52 pm Post subject: Before I get passed off as an illegal immigrant, living in a cardboard box in the local park, scuttling into the shadows when a police-car passes by, approaching people with a shifty expression on my face whilst offering them black-market English lessons, let me just clear up a couple of points. First, I live in Italy. Not only am I a EU member (being born in Scotland) but, being half-Italian, enjoy dual Italian-British nationality. I do pay taxes, dear Rogan, but in Italy there are temporary contracts which allow an employer to employ you as a "external collaborator/ consultant" - therefore if you are ill you do not get paid, if you want a day's or a week's holiday, you do not get paid, if lessons are cancelled you do not get paid. This is legal. Your employer pays a small amount towards your pension and that's all. Legally. And you can't do a damn thing about it since all private schools work in the same way. I work for a university too and the situation is identical. So, to sum up, I think perhaps we can safely say that NOT all countries are the same. I've never heard of anyone in Italy get different treatment, although I would be DELIGHTED to be proved wrong. Back to top richard ameJoined: 16 Jan 2003Posts: 319Location: Republic of Turkey Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:11 am Post subject: protection??? Hi Caroline I thought that things here were bad but even though you are a passport holder and are allowed to work where many are not you seem to have a raw deal there,ever thought of a change? The other man's grass and all that. Back to top caroline italyJoined: 09 Apr 2003Posts: 14 Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:36 pm Post subject: Hello Richard, I think you hit the nail on the head - probably that is the only real solution, although I can't for the life of me fathom why there's such a difference between EU countries (it sounds like France was a good deal better for instance). On other levels too, Italy isn't such a paradise - wages for example are terribly low here, and I'm not just talking about ESL teachers, but in general. I worked in marketing in a couple of companies for several years and got, by general standards, a pretty good wage, but it was more or less the same as the specialised workers on the factory floor were getting. Another thing that really annoys me is the impossibility of getting a foreign degree recognised - although, perhaps all countries around tthe world are refusing to recognise one anothers' academic titles to protect their internal job market. So, as you say, head elsewhere? Well, believe me I would but my son was born here and I couldn't get him to budge for any reason. I am seriously thinking about getting away further afield each summer - to satisfy both my itchy feet and need to earn money over the summer period. Got any suggestions? Does everyone want CELTA (which I haven't ever got round to doing)? 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I always bump into this problem of distorting a logo when I shrink it in illustrator. I have expanded the object and converted all outlines.
I tried 'simplify' and 'clean up' the anchor points, and I was holding down shift key when I resize the object.
I've looked at a few online forums and no one seem to ask this question so I'm not sure if I'm just doing anything wrong.


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We train excellent chefs to be exceptional teachers. Not only do lead instructors have a minimum 10 years' fine dining experience under their toques, they are devoted to helping students flourish. Each level in Culinary and Pastry brings a different instructor–and an exciting new chapter of learning. Many graduates keep in touch with their instructors, and come back to visit. See what industry leaders say about ICC here and meet our advisory board of culinary, pastry and wine professionals here.
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text: Paris in June. Some come for the shopping, the museums, the sidewalk cafes, the romantic evening strolls through the city of light. And then there's the crowd that's jonesing for the hangar-and-asphalt vibe of Eurosatory, the massive biannual military bazaar that sprawls over the exhibition grounds near Charles de Gaulle airport. The exhibition is designed to be a showcase for European land systems companies, but it is also the best hands-on venue for the latest technology and innovations in Israel's often-secretive defense industry. Jammer Grenade Winning the "and now for something completely different" award, Tel Aviv-based Netline Communications Technologies introduced one of the smallest jammers ever made for stopping improvised explosive devices. Perched on the counter of the modest company booth was the modestly named Portable Jammer Pack (PJP), a roundish object about the size and shape of a medieval fire-pot grenade and intended for use in urban spaces. For IED suppression, "urban operations are tricky because of access issues to crowded streets and tightly packed buildings and the need to get jammers to places where equipment with regular antennas cannot go," explained Loreen Haim-Cayzer, a Netline executive. Enter the PJP, which can be deployed via the Mark I overhand grenade toss through a window (e.g., before a building intrusion) or down an alley (e.g., ahead of a patrol). But if you need to hurl it across the block or over that three-story building, best to hand it off to the former high school pitcher in your squad, since it still weighs in at a solid 2.5 pounds. Netline developed the PJP after a NATO customer asked for a "handball sized" jammer that elite units like special forces could carry in an urban operation, said Haim-Cayzer. To produce something small enough to clip on a belt, engineers needed to miniaturize existing jamming modules and print the antennas on the circuit boards inside the unit. Designers cushioned the system with rubber to absorb impact. Since it can blast away for an average of 30 minutes on its rechargeable batteries, this led to some overheating issues, so the engineers added a heat-absorbing element in the internal battery compartment. In the field, the user turns on the PJP by pulling its safety catch, hand-grenade style. After landing, the jammer weeble-wobbles upright and throws 'trons to disrupt any nearby communications device being used as a remote IED trigger, like a jury-rigged cell phone. Tech support would have programmed the unit beforehand (it plugs into a laptop) to block specific channels and define other parameters customized to the mission. If all goes well, the user can scoop it up and bring it home to be reprogrammed for the next mission. That's the theory, at least. The PJP currently is undergoing operational tests, said Haim-Cayzer. Danger Room was curious about the effective radius of the PJP and the risks of communications fratricide in a close-quarters signal environment, but Netline declined to elaborate on these issues. Photo: NetlineRunning the Gamut Applying the principle of concentration of force, the Israel Ministry of Defense (MoD) grouped all of its arms-makers into a national pavilion in one of the immense, warehouse-like exhibition halls at Eurosatory. More than two dozen companies set up shop, with displays running the gamut from wires and widgets to working armored vehicles sprouting gun and missile turrets. According to the MoD, this year's pavilion was the largest ever. Many of the new product launches focused on sensors, countermeasures and spy gear needed to fight the Israelis' immediate neighbors. For anyone hoping to get a glimpse inside the bag of tricks Israel might be putting together for a strike against Iran's nuclear infrastructure, this show did not deliver. That doesn't mean that nothing is in the works. But Eurosatory is a land-warfare show. Next year's Paris air show should deliver the latest in air-to-ground developments ... assuming it doesn't unfold live on TV first. Photo: Israel MODPersonal Counter-Punch At the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Elta pavilion, stuffing existing technologies into smaller packages and calling them new products was a theme. The company was foot-stomping two developmental threat warning systems. Green Rock is a radar-based mortar and rocket detection system designed to counter-punch: after it picks up incoming rounds and sends out the alert, it tracks the hostile fire back to its source for some return-to-sender payback. The system is built around downscaled components of the well-known Iron Dome anti-artillery shield, but whereas the latter is primarily a fixed-site border protector, the tactical Green Rock is integrated onto an all-terrain vehicle to maneuver with battalion-sized forces. An IAI marketing rep claimed that the radar is sensitive enough to detect threats as small as mortar rounds — a useful capability for remote outposts or troops in the field. The rep did not confirm, although Danger Room thinks it's a fair assumption, that Green Rock must sacrifice some of the Iron Dome's range for the sake of compactness. Photo: Zachary LumGolf Cart's Spying Eye The yin to Green Rock's sky-gazing yang is Black Granite, also installed on a golf-cart-sized vehicle. A miniaturized version of the Israel Defense Forces' surveillance and recon vehicle, it packs a mast-mounted radar designed to pick out moving ground targets, augmented with an array of optical sensors, a signals intelligence system and a gunshot-detection system. Photo: Zachary LumItty-Bitty Missile With all the mini sensors and protection systems on the show floor, somebody had to bring a mini weapon system to the party. Rafael answered the call with the Mini Spike, a sawed-off/sawed-down version of its venerable anti-tank missile. Weighing in at 4 kilograms each for the launch unit and the canistered round, it's about 2 kilograms heavier than an RPG-7 but significantly more high-tech. Danger Room watched a French officer get the hang of the system in a simulated environment. To attack some bad guys behind a building, he lobbed the missile high, then used the missile-eye-view to auger straight down on the offenders, hitting a single individual in the group but leaving the rest standing. This might be unrealistic in the real world, given the missile's velocity and fragmentation warhead, so we'll chalk it up to a not-so-subtle advertising pitch: Mini Spike can be a sort of guided bullet for use in situations where collateral damage is a concern. Photo: Zachary LumRobot Porter The Rex (man's best friend…get it?) is an unmanned flat-bed ATV about the size of a shopping cart, outfitted with a rudimentary electronic link, or towbar, to autonomously follow its handler. The company was advertising the merits of a Rex configured for intelligence, with an R2D2-shaped observation/targeting pod. But a project manager at the booth admitted that Rex's first role will be to serve as a basic porter, humping 250 kg of infantrymen's battle rattle. And what happens to faithful Rex if his electronic leash fails way out in the bush? The project manager promptly unspooled a retractable, completely non-virtual towline from the nose of the vehicle. Rex will be trialed in a large-scale IDF exercise next month, he said; Danger Room would be curious to see the "user feedback" on this last feature of the system — especially from the user who gets the tables turned and has to tow Rex back to base. Photo: Israel Aerospace IndustriesRiot Turret When even a mini missile is overkill, the Nonlethal Weapon Turret (NLWT) is Rafael's solution for light vehicles employed in riot and crowd-control situations, said Ezra Senderovits, a Rafael executive: "Something for security or law-enforcement forces to use besides sticks or lethal weapons." Still in development, the NLWT uses an existing Samson remote turret that swaps out the machine gun for a variety pack of people-dispersing technologies. From the safe confines of the vehicle, the operator can unleash deafening shrieks from a loudspeaker, blinding flashes of light from the "dazzler," or choking tear gas grenades. If these don't do the trick, he might resort to an old fashioned assault and battery using low-velocity, 40-mm rubber rounds. Is this the compassionate side of the arms-making industry? Maybe in relative terms, compared to the pavilions full of every type of lethal technology imaginable. But let's not forget that "nonlethal" is not the same as "noninjurious." Photo: Zachary LumRocket-Knocker Rafael, the Israel arms-maker, has long been working on gear that can shoot an incoming rocket-propelled grenade out of the sky. But that tech has been reserved for heavier vehicles like tanks. The Trophy LV, or Trophy Lite, changes that. It can be used for smaller rides, like the Rheinmetall 4x4, pictured above. Resembling an oversize luggage rack, the self-contained and autonomous system is designed specifically to take on the RPG threat, said Senderovits. That means reacting to a launch from 200 meters away or less. Short-range radars scan around the vehicle to detect the threat, then an electro-optical sensor takes over at very short range. "It's kind of like a fuse," said Senderovits. The countermeasure itself is an "energetic blade," the technical aspects of which Rafael would not describe in detail. But one of the known technical challenges for active protection on light vehicles is that the detonation of an intercepted projectile can still damage or destroy the vehicle, through blast and shrapnel. Danger Room speculates that the Trophy LV's energetic blade is designed to disable or redirect an RPG warhead with minimal explosive effect. The system is still under development, so it remains to be seen if it can achieve this considerable technological feat. Photo: Rafael