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Valerie Jarrett to Virginia Delegates: The Truth Matters
Senior White House adviser speaks to Virginia delegates at the Democratic National Convention.
CHARLOTTE — Senior White House advisor Valerie Jarrett spoke to Virginia delegates Thursday morning reiterating the Democrats' case for the re-election of President Barack Obama.
"This convention has given us a chance to speak directly to the American people about what kind of mess the president inherited, how he has moved our country forward and his road map to the future," Jarrett said to a room full of delegates during a morning breakfast.
Jarrett briefly touched on issues like job growth and women's rights, and Obama's efforts to recover the auto industry.
Jarrett told delegates about a conversation her 86-year-old mother had with her 26-year-old daughter and said women should have the right to choose what happens with their bodies.
She said her mother told her daughter: "I did not think you were going to have to fight the battles that I fought 50 years ago. That is not what I expected for your future."
On the auto industry, Jarrett said: "At the time, it was not the most popular decision but our president does what he believes is right. He does not put his short-term political interests ahead of you."
Jarrett said the qualities that Obama possesses are important as president.
"Character matters. Integrity matters. Telling the American people the truth matters. Putting your country first ... matters."
"I want to make sure that we have a president that is looking toward the future. Who is moving our country toward the future where we have a long-term sustainable healthy country, where our children can thrive and reach their dreams."
Jarrett was one of several speakers making the case for Obama.
Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy, Virginia businessman and former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak and U.S. Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana addressed the group.
Malloy delivered what he called a personalized message to delegates.
"If this budgetary plan that Paul Ryan has rolled out and that Mitt Romney has endorsed ... If that comes to bear in Virginia, the progress that has been made will become dissipated."
"Do not think that they're only going to pick on the middle class in a place like Connecticut or New York. They're coming for your place as well."
Malloy said there are three reasons to vote for Obama: "You have a sister, you have a mother or you have a daughter."
He also added: "Or, you have a brain."
Piccadilly Circus
7:27 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
Valerie Jarrett, the Truth. Give us all a break.
Joe Brenchick
8:06 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
The only truth Valerie Jarrett has brought to DC is Chicago style politics.
10:05 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
"At the time, it was not the most popular decision but our president does what he believes is right."
Wouldn't disagree with that at all. He does what HE thinks is right based on his ideology. Watching the Democrats play the emotion card this election is making me sick. I wish politicians would run on their record and look ahead for solutions. Most people are worried about the debt which is plainly ignored by democrats. Most independents will not vote for Obama this election, including myself.
12:59 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Romney/Ryan on debt? seriously? BTW--which record is Romney running on? His positions change so much that MOST independents are NOT voting for him.
6:02 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Jan, what are you basing this off? Taking a poll at a pro-Obama party and pretending they are independents doesn't count. Do you have evidence or is this your gut feeling?
Cheryl Darby
11:20 am on Friday, September 7, 2012
Exactly what record is Romney running on? The one in Massachusetts as governor when he championed Romneycare and signed it into law. When as governor, he was pro-choice?
Lee Hernly
1:02 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Nice one Cheryl - Just like the Democrats were against God before they were for Him. Remind me again, how many times did BO flip flop on taking out Bin Laden 4, 5?
Lee Hernly
1:03 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Or the President who was against late term abortions before he was for them. After all, he doesn't want women stuck with a mistake...
1:51 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Cheryl, do you believe that there is a difference between state healthcare and federal healthcare? Second, what does his stance on abortion have to do with the real issues facing this nation?
Locally Involved
11:44 am on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Multiple choice Mitt is what we knew him as in Boston. He's for whatever you want him to be. He was for it before against it. Just a flip flopper with no real vision except for his own gain.
12:39 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
That smile reminds me of a huckster ready to take you for anything he can and leave you thinking it's all your fault. Perhaps it's a smile of one who hasn't a clue from a man who has or can buy anything he wants. And now he wants the White House with free rent. Maybe "chicken" will change the drapes once she gets in. IF she gets in.
Mary S.
6:24 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Obama got Bin Laden when Bush stated that it wasn't a priority with him...and I love it when men get involved talking about choice...women's choice. What do they know about the emotions, heartache, and all the other emotions a woman goes through with a pregnancy or a rape for that matter. Listen to women who have gone through it, how life changes for them forever.
MItt flip flops so much and you can't hide from you tube. I still wonder what was so important on the hard drives on their computers that they HAD to remove them when he ended his one term in office in Massachusetts. I completely forgot that until I was reminded by my relatives up there. I love his official portrait while governor...sitting next to his proud product of romney care...it's working up there.
It's not worth getting on these sites and discussing these things. You can't convince the right and you can't convince the left. Just educate yourselves and remember to get out and vote.
V. Scheurich
12:34 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
The Swami has now spoken and the Godless Party of Food Stamps won't like what the Swami has to say:
Cheryl Darby
12:49 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Ah, just like Romney.,Evade the question and attack the poor, nice going.
Cheryl Darby
1:10 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Again, Romney is all over the place on the choice issue.
Barbara Glakas
9:01 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Agreed. And not only on the choice issue, but on almost every major policy issue. See this link:
Chuck Stein
2:00 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
What a horrendous jobs report this morning. We now have the lowest workforce participation in over 30 years, with men at the lowest participation since 1948. The President's campaign reelection slogan is deceptive advertising -- we're moving backward, not "forward." Clint's right -- when someone is not working out, you fire him and hire someone else, you don't renew the contract.
Barbara Glakas
9:11 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
The jobs report may not have been as strong as some had hoped but it did ADD 96,000 jobs to the economy. This marks the 30th straight month that jobs have been ADDED to the economy. If you recall, in the latter months of Bush's term, the economy was hemorrhaging about 850,000 jobs per month.
There are other positive indicators. For instance: Unemployment has ticked down again to 8.1% (It was 9.3% at the end of Bush's term). Also, lay-off figures fell to the lowest level in two years. Energy stocks rose 1.5%, the biggest gain among the S&P 500's ten industry sectors.
Our economy is not yet strong, but it is making a slow, gradual recovery.
10:13 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Barbara, not that any Democrats would provide you with complete statistics, but have you looked at the net change in jobs that includes how many new jobseekers (like college grads) are entering the workforce vs. how many "new jobs" are created? And the only reason the unemployment number (which counts those actually looking for work) is going down is because there are more people who are just giving up looking for work. Almost any statistic can be manipulated and presented as positive.
Barbara Glakas
8:51 am on Saturday, September 8, 2012
That's true that different things cause unemployment numbers to go up and down. But one still can't compare the addition of jobs in the last 30 months to the hemorrhaging of 850,000 jobs per month four years ago. There's the "glass half empty" viewpoint and the "glass half full" viewpoint, and I prefer the latter.
Locally Involved
11:50 am on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Horrendous? You mean like the 800,000 jobs we were losing a month under the last president? Growth may not be what we want - but it's excactly what a Great Recession recovery looks like. We started losing jobs in 2006 (don't take my word for it, don't take the gov't's word for it - go to ADP, a capitalistic company that runs it's own payroll reports that are widely published each month). You're right. Job creation is slow. But it is organic and it has been growing since the President took office. Slow and steady puts this country on a firm foot forward.
Skip Endale
7:52 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
J Ventura hit the nail on the head the other night when he said that the government should not be in the business of job creation, private industry should be. Anything else, he said, would have the opposite effect - and add to the mess that we are in right now.
I know that does not sit well with the Washington bureaucrats, their labour unions and people that live in this area. But sometimes reality can be harsh. Others yet, think beyond job creation because they have an entrepreneurial spirit. That is what the US of A long stood for, lets not forget. So the job question, in my mind, is just something the campaign advisors have come up with, again, distracting from the real issues at hand - government working together to make things happen, on behalf of their constituents. "character matters, integrity matters".
Cheryl Darby
2:25 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
We don't know what his stance is. When he gets in office, will he change again?
5:06 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Name one person in this country who doesn't change their position on an issue within their lifetime...including Obama. It is funny how you can sit on here and post about both sides working together and compromising...but if someone changes their stance on something, all of a sudden they are a flip-flopper (unless they are a democrat). I really hope you don't consider yourself an independent because you are far from it.
Cheryl Darby
5:22 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
It is a fact that Romney has chaged his views. So has every other person alive. I never denied that.
Cheryl Darby
5:34 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
I do consider myself an Independent. I've actaully voted for Republicans!
6:09 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Please Obamians wake up! 16 plus trillion!!Another 4 years and 20plus trillion!!Our country can't support a debt that huge.When's the last time you tried to count that high!Suppose China and Japan decide to call in that debt.That reason alone calls for a new team that will try to save us from the disaster about to strike.Use your head!Wake up!
6:29 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Dean, I don't think anyone with common sense is going to argue with you. Probem is, there is a lack of common sense out there.
10:48 am on Monday, September 10, 2012
War with Syria and Iran. What do you think THEY will cost? Do you think China will bankrole them, also? The ROMNEY EYE IN THE BEDROOM will also be a wake-up call for college seniors who will be DRAFTED to fight the "old men's wars" but who says high school students need college anyway?
Piccadilly Circus
8:28 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Valerie is a screwball. Seems to be a lot that hang with Obama
8:48 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
To all those amateur economists who wanted government to reduce spending during the Great Recession, remember Herbert Hoover and his laissez-faire approach to the Depression? Probably not since it would entail understanding history. Now is the time for government to borrow at ultra cheap interest rates and spend on repairing our national infrastructure whilst the economy heals from 8 years of unfunded wars and tax cuts and the deregulation of the financial industry.
Only a truly delusional person would want to bring the economic knuckleheads of the Bush years back in power at this critical time in our recovery.
9:42 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
Only someone insane would want to continue the SOS with Obama, and expect a different result. As for the "recovery", it's the worst in our history.
10:09 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
GetReal...you should probably get a real education. Hoover was the one who in 1932 signed into law a tax increase on the rich from 25% to 63% along with raising taxes 15%. Obama only wishes he could do this...yet you sit there and claim Hoover was all laissez-faire. That tax increase went towards the deficit too. I don't think Obama knows what a deficit is.
Locally Involved
11:52 am on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Thank you, Get Real. Thanks to the government spending during the Great Depression we laid the foundation for success. From the Hoover Dam, the Tenn Valley Water Authority, to the interstate system and the electrication of America. All this made it possible for business and people to succeed. Without government spending, none of this would have been possible. WE built it.
10:26 am on Saturday, September 8, 2012
As the result of 8 years of republican mismanagement of the US economy, homeowners have lost a total of $6.4 trillion of wealth since 2007. Only simpletons would think this amount of wealth could be recreated in 4 years. Americans will not be fooled again by those offering fairy dust as an economic plan.
Bob Bruhns
12:00 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
It was easily borrowed money that ballooned housing prices to the artificial levels that we saw. And it was the fact that people had overbought, and it was the inabiity of more and more people to repay their rising adjustable mortgage rates, that caused that little game to crash. It was all a false economy, and it certainly didn't help that we were involved in an unnecessary war.
Now people want us to borrow more easy money, and pay double prices for infrastructure, as we have done locally with the Silver Line Metrorail extension. And then, we and our children and our grandchildren can try to pay that back. Speaking of false economy, take a look at the bogus financing plan - road tolls that will push drivers right off the toll road and onto the already packed local roads. Guess what will happen? Disaster, followed by a tax funded buyback of a project that cost almost two times what it should have cost. Somebody will be laughing all the way to the bank, but it won't be the People.
And we wonder why our economy is in trouble.
4:03 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
@GetReal: It's nice to see someone with a bit of common sense....some folks seem to think this was just a little blip of a recession.....and that we should be back to normal by now; that's impossible, especially with the Repubs in Congress putting their party before the good of the country
11:55 am on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Jobs,healthcare,money(savings,401 etc.)will have absolutley no value after six more trillion of debt!The only thing thatwill matter at that point is the correct directions to the soup line.Ask yourself what your credit holders would do or say to you when you are overextended and broke.At that point you are scrambling for a buck and not one to be found!This is the state of the union and Obama wants to spend more of what we don't have.He tried and failed.One third of the 16 trillion was under his term.We need someone who knows how to run money and it's not him.He sure can spend it though.
5:15 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
More misstatements from another amateur economist who thinks the national economy works like a home budget. The Government can print money and you can't and therefore can never run out of money. Voters who don't understand basic macro economics are called low information voters and represent the low hanging fruit the republicans are aiming for. The republicans will soon discover that the US have more literate citizens than they think.
Lee Hernly
6:27 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
GetReal -
Printing money makes things cost more. Have you seen the price of goods at the grocery store lately? Have you seen the price of gas? One day, our kids are going to have to pay this money back ($16T and counting...). Politicians like BO, perjurer Bill Clinton, Jim Moran, Tim Kaine, George Allen, GWB, etc need to stop committing fiscal child abuse on our kids.
GetReal, you are the one that needs a lesson in economics.
Kathy Keith
7:15 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Get real: are you serious. Print more money? Are you familiar with the history of Germany after World War I? People had to carry their marks in wheelbarrows because the value was so miniscule. And they kept printing. Look it up. The economy was horrific. It's one of the reasons that HItler rose to power. Things were so terrible the people would believe anyone who promised help. He promised a car for every family (volkswagen translates to the "people's car"), he promised that every family would have a radio, etc, etc.
12:01 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Locally involved.I thought that's what politicos are suppose to do.Whatever we want!
12:06 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
QE1,QE2,QE3,that is some real phony pumping up of the economy.Once the FED is done what is Obamas next trick.
12:35 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Piccadily I fully agree.Czars,I thought that use to be a Russian thing.
V. Scheurich
12:46 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
If anyone attended the DNC convention, did they find this in their gift basket?
4:30 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
wow.....real classy, V. Scheurich.....you sure have a lot to contribute to the conversation
7:42 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
V. Scheurich---very low brow...but it made me laugh, this thread needs more humor.
Joseph Robert
4:12 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Valerie is right. Republicans will tell lies, distortions, change voting laws -- anything to win. For four years, Paul Ryan has been working hard to ensure America is in decline.
Did you know that Paul Ryan and 15 other Republican leaders met in Washington, DC., on the night of President Obama's inauguration in January 2009, to begin plotting Obama's political demise? It's true and you can read about it here:
Romney-Ryan: Working AGAINST America!
Cheryl Darby
4:29 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Why would anyone want to return to the same failed policies of George Bush and expect a different result? He says he will repeal the Affordable Health Care Act his first day in office. Immediately millions of people will be uninsured, health insurance companies will not insure people with pre-existing conditions. Health insurance companies will jack up their premiums. Health care costs will skyrocket. There will be nothing in place to prevent it.
Lee Hernly
2:21 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Why not repeal ObamaCare? As a woman, under the law, you have given up the sovereignty of your own body to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. Get health care back to between the patient & the Doctor.
Cathryn S
3:46 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Lee, can you site exactly where in the ACA women are giving up sovereignty of their bodies? Under part of the ACA that has already gone into effect, I have more rights to health care in the form of wellness care that is not subject to my rather large deductable. I will still have to deal with unelected bureaucrats--at the insurance company-- but then, I have been dealing with them for years, as have many people. Have you ever had a test or procedure recommended by your doctor turned down for coverage by your health insurance company? Fairly common.
Now the Mandatory Ultrasound Bill that McDonnell signed into law has put elected officials between a woman and her doctor by legislating for a medical procedure. If you want to fight to repeal that law, I'm with you.
Barbara Glakas
4:44 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
V. Scheurich -- A very rude link, and just another reason why so many women have turned against the Republcan party.
Back to the issue at hand: The Economy.
Obama hasn't "fixed" the economy, but he sure has made it better. The country did not fall from a major recession into a depression. The debt still needs to be addressed, but you sure can't argue that many of the other economic indicators and situations are not in better shape than they were four years ago (housing, jobs, banks, auto industry, etc.).
And given the world situation, the U.S. has managed to stay above the fray. For example, the gross domestic product (GDP) is a primary indicator to gauge a country's economic health. According to CNN Money the 2012 GDP's of major world economies are:
US: $15.6 (it was $14.0 in 2007)
China: $8.0
Japan: $6.0
Germany: $3.5
France: $2.7
Brazil: $2.4
Italy: $2.1
Russia: $2.0
Canada: $1.8
V. Scheurich
11:34 am on Sunday, September 9, 2012
Figures that the main stream media that they will NOT report in fear of shedding a bad light on the Presidents policies and Marxist leaning agenda:
7:43 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Barbara it's called political satire...something people seem to be forgetting about.
V. Scheurich
4:53 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
These are some facts and issues that liberals just can not come to realize.
Four ways Barack Obama is using the United Nations to destroy America: http://moonbattery.com/?p=7683
The 21st. Century despot that he is: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/barack_obama_in_the_footsteps_of_twentieth_century_despots.html
His voting record: http://www.issues2000.org/senate/barack_obama.htm
V. Scheurich
4:56 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
As for the posters above who think that Valerie Jarrett is some kind of saint or economist........you are sadly mistaken. She is a Marxist and here is proof:
Solyndra was all Valerie Jarrett: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1108/679/Did_Valerie_Jarrett_Push_Corrupt_Solyndra_Loan_Deal.html
Valerie Jarrett - The radical: http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/valerie-jarretts-radicalism/comment-page-1/#comment-39391
V. Scheurich
4:56 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Valerie Jarrett's father-in-law was a communist:
The Slum Lord: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-kjEMcBol4
Jarrett's father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett, defended Chicago's oppressed proletariat with none other than Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA member who
mentored a young Barack Obama in Hawaii;
Jarrett's maternal grandfather, Robert Taylor, the first African American head of the
infamous Chicago Housing Authority, appears in a 1944 report by the Special Committee on Un-American Activities;
Perhaps with a kick-start from her Chicago-renowned father-in-law, Jarrett's 20-year career in Chicago's political machine included a stint as Mayor Richard Daley's deputy chief of staff, as well as any number of major jobs in the area of urban housing and development; In Chicago, Jarrett oversaw the management and development of huge housing projects -- most of which were ultimately seized by federal authorities and shut down because of their deplorable, squalid, and unlivable conditions;
2:04 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I am lost as to why someones family history is a direct link to their present day life? Do children of mass murders end up as murders themselves? What about slave owners? Did their children continue with that part of their heritage or did it, could it have, let me guess, possibly and eventually stopped? Did you ever think that a lawyer has to put food on the table for their children and that quite possibly defend people that may be less than glamorous? Somebody has top defend terrorists? mass murders? And guess what, they are typically court appointed.
You comments are far fetching and rather boorish
V. Scheurich
4:57 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
In November 2008, Judicial Watch obtained documents linking Jarrett to several housing projects operated by Chicago slumlord Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who was convicted on 16 of 24 counts of corruption in 2008;
In August 2009, Jarrett introduced the radical Marxist "Green Jobs Czar" Van Jones as someone "we were so
delighted to be able to recruit...into the White House." Jones was forced to resign one month later;
Jarrett's name was widely floated as a top candidate to fill Obama's vacated U.S. Senate seat. Former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich allegedly offered to appoint Jarrett in exchange for a top Obama administration post.
Barbara Glakas
6:35 am on Sunday, September 9, 2012
V. – Your sources are websites like "dancing czars," "moon battery" and "gulagbound.com?" Hm-m-m-m…
V. Scheurich
5:18 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
What America is going to get when and if The President gets another 4 years.
E-mail him and ask him if it is true because it is. You will not get an answer to your question. This has all been fact checked and is true.
Cheryl Darby
5:30 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
If you want to gain insight into Paul Ryan, remember he claims Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" has been a big influence on his life view. If you haven't read the book, you can go to Wikipedia for a pretty good bio on Rand and a synopsis of the book. Quite an eye opener!
Cheryl Darby
5:37 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
First of all, why should you be concerned about fact checking when your candidates say they sure aren't. Secondly, Dick Morris?!!?
V. Scheurich
9:56 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Valerie Jarrett would you please explain to us why this is happening please without the liberal spin attached to your answer!
V. Scheurich
9:59 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
I know all about Ryan and find that he is a supporter of the Tea Party fiscal sanity and small government. Case closed. Something that liberals do not understand so there is no conversation here.
Locally Involved
10:06 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
@v. - austerity is not fiscal sanity, it's insanity. And, amusing that the Tea Party supports a european program! LOL.
V. Scheurich
11:35 am on Sunday, September 9, 2012
.Figures that the main stream media that they will NOT report in fear of shedding a bad light on the Presidents policies and Marxist leaning agenda:
11:52 am on Sunday, September 9, 2012
getreal-Please wake up.If we the people(which is suppose to be the goverment)can endlessly print money then why this gigantic deficit.Why not just print faster and pay it off.Obamas ideas are to continue the artificial float(QE1,2,3).What happens when it's payment time.Are you foolish enough to think noboby has to pay the piper.
Locally Involved
11:55 am on Sunday, September 9, 2012
Yeah, that's right, V., it's the media. You're right. Everyone else is either blind or wrong. You should be leading every intelligence agency there is. We need your omniscience.feel better?
6:38 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012
Barbara Glakus-Please do this math,15.6 GDP but 16.5 debt.Think,2007 GDP of 14 trillion-debt 10 trillion.Which situation would you prefer?
Locally Involved
6:55 pm on Monday, September 10, 2012
@ Dean - With your logic, what would you rather prefer, the 14 trillion in debt under the last admin or the SURPLUS from the admin prior to that! No, we have not forgotten how that was squandered. So let's see, the last admin therefore added OVER $14 trillion in debt. Obama, not so much. And let's not forget the 9% drop in GDP in 2008 - the greatest in over 50 years. Selective amnesia and selective facts die in the hands of context and reality.
Of course, anyone would prefer a lower debt, but more so we'd prefer never to have to have been in debt! Due to the structural economic crises created by the last admin, there is but only one thing the gov't can do when the private sector cannot - and that is spend.
You want austerity? Well, here's an article on what austerity as brought to the eurozone. Austerity does not work. Period. Economics 101.
The Economist: http://econ.st/RTtg42
Time may be working against the euro. Uncertainty and austerity are deepening Europe's economic plight. The euro zone looks to be back in recession. Unemployment is at a record high. Surveys of consumers and business activity make dismal reading—and the malaise has spread to Germany http://econ.st/RTtg42
12:59 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Hey Locally:
Why don't you check your fact.
The Debt Bush left in 2008 was $10Trill , not $14Tril
Obama took it from $10T to $16T.
Secondly, Bush lost the congress in 2006. All Democrats have controlled our country since 2006. That's 6 years.
If you really wanted to know the truth, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid Still run this country.
DO YOU KNOW EACH TAXPAYER IN AMERICA owes $212,000 of that $16Tril debt.
That's a whole HOUSE MORTGAGE in many states.
And Obama is responsible for $80,000 of that.
Bush is Responsible for $66,000 of that.
ALL Prior Presidents and congresses are responsible for $66,000.
That's the facts!
HOW? are you going to payback your FAIR SHARE?
Over 10 , 20 or 30 years?
When are you going to start?
That's what Romney wants to do.
He wants to get everyone to start paying back all the "FREEBIES" borrowed to make you enjoy a Fairy-Tale economy.
Stop all your name calling and ignorance of the happenings around you.
Keith Best
8:44 am on Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Here are the job numbers the media is not reporting about the August job numbers that just came out. This is what the media is telling you...and it's true. "The unemployment rate dropped from 8.3% to 8.1%. 96,000 jobs created in August."
Here are numbers they are NOT telling you:
1) 368,000 people STOPPED looking for work in August. Meaning they CANNOT be counted as unemployed. These people have no more unemployment benefits to claim and have realized there are zero jobs out there for them. If you were to re-calculate those numbers and include the people who are no longer looking for work, the unemployment rate would be 12%. This number does not include the UNDEREMPLOYED, or the people who have stopped looking for work over the past 3 years; that number would be an astonishing 23%.
2) 69% of men are working. Meaning 31% are not. The lowest % of working men since the 1940's.
3) The number of employed Americans is at the lowest number in the past 31 years. An incredible number considering there are more people now in the USA than there were in 1981.
4) A record high of 88,921,000 Americans whom are not in the civilian labor force.
5) Manufacturers have cut the most jobs in August than at anytime in the past two years.
6) The supposed "job growth" each month is LESS THAN the number of people LEAVING the workforce every month. People leaving the work force CANNOT be counted as unemployed.
The truth is if you need a job, VOTE ROMNEY/ RYAN.
Barbara Glakas
2:36 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012
No one is saying the job situation is great. I'm just saying let's look at a wider view and make a fair comparison to what the job situation was like in the 2007/2008/2009 time period, when unemployment was about 9.3 and jobs were being lost at a rate of about 850,000 per month. You can't get a broad perspective by looking at small slivers of statistics in a vacuum, just looking at one month or one year, for example. Sure, the employment and job situation is not good now. But is it better than 4 years ago? Definitely yes.
Lee Hernly
2:56 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Barbara wrote:
" Sure, the employment and job situation is not good now. But is it better than 4 years ago? Definitely yes."
So losing 368K people out of the workforce in August (approx. 3 million since start of 2012) which puts the labor participation rate (see bls.gov) at its lowest level in 80 years is good?
Looking at the wide view, the President started with (inherited?) a 7 million jobs deficit in January 2009 and has turned that into a 15 million jobs deficit with the policies he's enacted.
Definitely not good.
Locally Involved
2:55 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Go Barbara! And, lest we forget, 4 yrs ago, we lost over 9% of GDP, the most in 50 years. When you're in a hole this deep, it takes a while to climb out. As for the comment above regarding manufacturing jobs in the past 30 months are actually HIGHER than they were in 2000-2008.
No liberal bias here - this is directly from the American Manufacuring.org site - from 2008. So unless someone's got a time machine we don't know about...I'm taking this as solid:
Nov. 2000 manufacturing employment in the U.S.: 17, 202,000. -Nov. 2008 manufacturing employment in the U.S.: 13, 168,000. This means that, based on data pulled from the national Current Employment Statistics survey accessible through the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the U.S. has lost 4,034,000 manufacturing jobs since 2000, or roughly 23.5% of the entire manufacturing workforce. Since the official start of the current recession in December 2007, the U.S. has lost 604,000 manufacturing jobs. That's a decline of roughly 4.5% of the U.S. manufacturing workforce in the past 11 months.
And, we all know the gov job numbers posted 30 days after the end of the month are first pass numbers... they are adjusted up to a year later. The figure changes. According to the ADP employement report, manufacturing jobs were up in August by 3,000
No liberal bias here, based on 3,444 employers and 21MM emp
V. Scheurich
6:03 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012
The truth by anyone in the Barack Obama administration? Yeah, right! They are nothing short of the worst administrations, even worse than Jimmy Carter and they all lie. As for the Chicago teacher strike, it is a set-up and here is why!
Chuck Stein
7:06 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Keith Best -- Thanks for posting those figures, something I have not had time to do over the last few days. Obama is lucky that there is such despair in the job market that millions have simply dropped out; were the job market participation rate the same as when he took office, the official unemployment rate would be north of 11%. Here is also a video (if the embedding works) explaining the bit of statistical prestidigitation the President is engaging in when comparing himself to his predecessor.
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Chuck Stein
7:07 pm on Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Well that didn't work. Here's a link to the site with the video.
V. Scheurich
11:53 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Valerie...........when will the Barack Obama/Hillary Clinton "Apology Tour" begin?
V. Scheurich
12:24 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Do what the Gunny says or it is PT time!
V. Scheurich
4:25 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
The President is now proposing to cut $129 Million from America's Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance. Since they are all burned down and destroyed now, this should not be a problem for him. Maybe he will use the savings in construction and maintenance and buy some bullets for the Marines and embassy staff members?
Cheryl Darby
4:35 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
Please set aside the rhetoric for one day. Let us grieve.
V. Scheurich
10:12 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
Here are your top ten terror tied C.A.I.R. leaders listed with an article attached defining their involvement and support of terror:
1. Ghassan Elashi
2. Muthanna al-Hanooti
3. Abdurahman Alamoudi
4. Siraj Wahhaj
5. Randall "Ismail" Royer
6. Bassam Khafagi
7. Laura Jaghlit
8. Nihad Awad
9. Omar Ahmad
10. Nabil Sodoun
8:20 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
I'll grieve and care longer than than the president did... ambassador murdered, embassies under siege and in flames, American flags burned and Islamic flags raised... Yea, Vegas baby, for a fund raiser in the VIP w/ Beyonce and J-z. Intel briefing.. no time for that. Meet w/the leader of Israel? Can't, got to do Letterman. But got time to try to schedule w/the Muslim Brotherhood leader of Egypt. Naive, ignorant and dis-engaged.
Barbara Glakas
9:48 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
"The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.
"Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
2:14 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Blah, blah, blah, More empty words... reminds me of Jimmy Carter.
7:43 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
The United states condemns this shocking attack!
WOW! How about condemning the "KILLING" of Americans.
How about the terror attacks in Fort hood.(12 Dead-murdered) What did he say then?
He said it was a "workplace" incident.
What kind of people are you anyway.
You obama supporters are real "prostitutes" to this guy.
Heavens must save America from all your dislike to this country.
Obama's statement is Despicable. It certainly does not follow for a campaign Vegas
and FORWARD to campaigns in Ohio WHILE AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK.
Muslim Brotherhood are out to control the world. What part of that do you not understand?
I never heard of any President in any line of attacks being out of his office to make quick decisions.
Locally Involved
10:05 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Thanks for the post, Barbara. Unfortunately, when it comes to the bat s**t crazy folk, if the facts don't support their delusional world view they'll either ignore it or dismiss it. Or, my favorite tactic of theirs, just make up their own story and call it a fact!
7:27 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Really.. Than refute it. These are not made up stories, been reported on most major news outlets. Typical lib response.. don't like the post so call them delusion bs crazy folk.
Bye Bye Romney
11:18 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Sheldon Adelson, Romney's uber-billionaire casino owner and financial backer, pledged to give Romney $100 million -- or "whatever it takes" -- to defeat Obama.
Do you know why???
As Bill Clinton reminded us, sometimes the answer is as simple as arithmetic. So let's do the math:
According to a new report from the Center for American Progress Action Fund, Adelson will get $2 billion in tax savings from Romney in return for his support. And it will be paid for by every taxpayer reading this blog, so pass the word QUICKLY.
If Obama wins, everyone pays their fair share of taxes...including Mr. Adelson!
Tell me...
Americans cannot afford to live the Romney-Ryan lifestyle without having the same personal wealth.
We can DREAM...but we know that it's not reality. Romney is still dreaming.
7:49 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Sorry I dig Ryan and the other dude.
Locally Involved
11:49 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
I say if someone can afford $100MM to support a campaign, they can afford to pay an additional 2% in taxes to support America! To the uber-wealthy, stop whining and pay your taxes, that's called patriotic!
Bob Bruhns
12:53 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
A movie version of Ayn Rand's 'Atlas Shrugged' will appear on those silver screens on October 12, 2012. I read about this some months ago, before Ryan was selected. Might be another October Surprise.
Ayn Rand's work should not be dismissed merely because of the words of partisans. People should read it for themselves.
This is what is missing today - people do not look and see for themselves. Instead, they believe what they are told, even though it comes from people who lie to them regularly, from anonymous pen-name posters, and from people they never even heard of. People too often believe things too easily, without even looking to see if maybe they weren't true, maybe they were misleading, etc.
Kathy Keith
1:11 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
I agree with Bob. But, I recommend reading "Atlas Shrugged" now. I might add that you should also read "Dreams from My Father" and see "2016 The Movie". Woodward's book "The Price of Politics" is also worth reading as is "The Amateur". Try to read something from both sides of the aisle and see what you agree with.
As a note, Ryan has said the "Atlas Shrugged" had a great impact on him--but he has also said that he does not agree with all of Rand's philosophy.
My personal recommendations of influential stories: "The Little Red Hen" and "The Grasshopper and the Ant". Unfortunately, I think our country is following "The Pied Piper".
Bob Bruhns
1:23 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
You know, "Little Red Riding Hood" comes to mind as well.
Locally Involved
1:22 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Ayn Rand had issues. Review her work directly from her site - that is partisan, it's from the society supporting Ayn Rand. So I'll go with their words.
Rand advocated reason as the only means of acquiring knowledge and rejected all forms of faith and religion. She supported rational and ethical egoism, and rejected ethical altruism.
So, what do social conservatives think of her rejection of all forms of faith and religion?
Regarding her work, Atlas Shrugged, Rand described the theme as "the role of the mind in man's existence ...the demonstration of a new moral philosophy: the morality of rational self-interest."
Rand called her philosophy "Objectivism", describing its essence as "the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life...". Rand argued for rational egoism (rational self-interest) as the guiding moral principle. She said the individual should "exist for his own sake, neither sacrificing himself to others nor sacrificing others to himself". Supporting laissez-faire, in today's world, no regs, no rules. Ask yourself, how's that working after the escapades of the last decade?
Basically, promoting selfishness, screw anyone and anything. This is the absolute antithesis of America, which is about "US" as we are a society. Again, remember, morality for Rand is all about selfishness. You cannot embrace your faith nor America's values and support Rand's philosophies. The two are diametrically opposed to each other.
Bob Bruhns
1:33 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Rand was also arguing that the supposed 'faith and values' group was in fact simply robbing the People blind.
As I say, people need to read Rand's work for themselves, instead of being too influenced by people with their own axes to grind.
Locally Involved
1:40 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
I have read Rand. I do not agree with laissez faire (did so in the 80's, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me). Laissez faire does not work. I am a dyed in the wool capitalist with an extensive background in financial services. I speak not only from an educated stance, but also from experience - Rules are needed otherwise we would have a total collapse of our economic system.
I have no axe to grind, just a rational, objective view of Rand's work, which I reject as well as a majority of the economic and ethical community.
There's that nasty word again, community.
Bob Bruhns
5:58 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Well, I saw what happened when China hosted the Olympics. To clear the Beijing air, they had to take almost half of their vehicles off the road. Our emission control is far better than that.
The economic community seems to have no problem with some very dubious financial tricks, so I'm not too sure I agree with them. Derivatives and unlimited Quantitative Easing seem like poor substitutes for economic activity that actually produces anything more than debt and numbers on paper.
I'm not sure who the ethical community is, but we have a lot of laws in this country aimed at requiring ethical practices. These laws are sometimes twisted, but in general I think they are a good idea.
I think Rand would have had a problem with our double-priced government rail extension into Northern Virginia, using the nightmarishly bad toll schedule that is purported to be our financing plan. At a minimum, I think she would have wanted the price estimators called out to explain their rather high cost estimates. She might have had a problem with our Congress having a different retirement plan than the rest of us. I doubt she would have let the national debt get even as high as it was thirty years ago. I have no doubt that she would question our government education system, that clearly produces people who have no clue about the ordinary process of government, business and law.
However - yes, I think that her general picture of government and life was too generalized and simplistic.
12:54 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Woman-Dems are using you as-PAWNS. This election will be decided by Catholic vote. Democratic party is NOT for your Religious freedoms.
They now support "same-sex marriages", "abortion beyond mere morning after pills"
They are on the final verge to remove any mention of a "GOD" in their platform.
Our public schools already have eliminated prayer & GOD.
How much more do you need to see the liberal agenda.?
Slowly, but surely,woman are taking the "LURE" of the Pill as a good thing.
But, hear me , that Pill lure makes you a Hypocrite to GOD's teachings. Half-Catholic is not possible.
Catholic Woman who vote Obama are "denying" most of what they stand for.
No one will ever take away your "freedom" of the pill, but that Pill argument WILL eventually take away your "Faith". Your family morals and perhaps the Catholic faith.
A modern day "Garden of Eden" is what the PILL represents. (it replaces the APPLE)
Voting Democratic for the sake of the pill should be reconsidered. Obama is against most of your Catholic beliefs. I have no doubt that ALL your religious freedom will be gone if you Deny "GOD's Given Rights". What the Govt gives you ---Will one day be taken away.
What GOD gives you , will be with you forever.
(Church, GOD and Man-woman marriages). Our children minds are corrupted to think man-man woman-woman families R-cool.
NOT WHAT THE MODERN-DEMOCRATIC PARTY will give you.
All those freebies are "LURES". Don't be caught in the Garden of Eden.
2:20 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Removing God from schools simply complied with civil liberties for those not of faith. Why should one be subject to teachings or even the discussion of something that doesn't take hold within their family. From your rant,and it is a rant, you make all except Catholics to be devil worshipers. Shame on you.
Cheryl Darby
8:14 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Gee, did you go to Mass yesterday and leave will all this love and charity? God help you.
12:25 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Did you watch the Democratic Natl Convention?
A parade of Woman who represent their Platform of Non-Catholic beliefs.
All for the cause of a "Pill" rights.?
When , the ultimate goal is TOTAL control of the woman. No one want to take any persons rights away in America , Woman and Men. The Pill is an excepted means of Birth control. We all know that.
Catholic woman know that. And that is why they remain Catholics.
BUT to vote for a Dem PARTY that condones "Same sex marriages" and was prepared to remove any Mention of a "GOD" and would sign any legislation that would "abort" in late term is contrary to every Catholic woman beliefs.
FAMILY---MORALS---and the ultimate gift from GOD--Children.
Catholic woman are taught to "abstain" . They know the days for safe sex.
Mr Former President CLINTON also was represented as a hero on stage.
Yet, every Woman should know that he was (IS) a woman "USER".
He disgraced our oval office and it is sickening to see any Woman fess up to him, AND EVERYTHING HE LIES ABOUT.
Casanova's are "LURES" for Woman. Democrats are anti-Christian as they prove it in their actions of their "WAR ON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM" (that's the Obamacare forcing all Catholics to "PAY and support" Abortion. In any form of beliefs.
The Govt is not to define when Abortion begins.
THAT IS THE WOMAN's DECISION. Her Faith will control that.
It is HYPOCRITICAL for any practicing Catholic woman to vote for DEM party.
They are destroying our MORALS.
Claire Frémont
11:19 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Do not call woman pawns as if we cannot think for ourselves. I plan on voting for Romney, but it is exactly your type of argument that makes it completely understandable to me why other women are going to vote for Obama, regardless of his economic record. Republicans who are so narrowly focused on sex and woman's health make us all want to cross the street and hide our children. I'm starting to think that these comments are made by liberal trolls intent on destroying Gov. Romney's chances of winning the election. If you are not- wise up!!
Kathy Keith
12:30 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
I can't help but think that PaulRevere is an Obama supporter trying to paint a cartoon picture of a very conservative voter.
The only thing true in the rant above is Obama supporters seem to think that women are pawns--look at the Life of Julia that they came up with--government "helping" and stepping in at every level of a woman's life.
Personally, I am pro-choice, but I cannot see how that can possibly be the defining issue of this campaign. Is it so unreasonable to accept personal responsibility and pay for your own birth control? No one is trying to take away birth control.
I do find it ironic that the DEM favored EPA has stopped construction and jobs at a site in Texas because of an endangered spider (two were found at the site) yet the DEM platform supports abortion of an fetus at anytime up to birth. Something is out of kilter here-when a spider is more important than people working and babies being born..
Carol Lewis
12:59 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Kathy, I hope he's not an Obama supporter. I am and I certainly don't share his beliefs. They are too convoluted to even be satire! I don't think choice will be THE defining issue but I certainly think it will be an important issue. It is to me and I'm well beyond child-bearing age, but I have young nieces and granddaughters and I really fear for them should Romney win.
Carol Lewis
1:00 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
P.S. to Kathy: Insurance pays for Viagra but not birth control? Something wrong with that.
2:05 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
You appear as well read and informed. I sense you are not understanding my somewhat difficult job of putting proper words to my thoughts.
(it's hard writing while Riding!)
But, let me say , I feel same sex marriages Destroy families as "GOD" envisioned.
"Abortions" at whatever stage a Woman chooses IS her choice>
The issue is Who Pays for it? Is it really medical? Even, if it is medical , I disagree with paying for it.! Get my point.?
I am 100% against supporting anyones Lifestyle in america.
I am 100% FOR full support of anyone who earns less than $40,000 per yera.
They should be given all the medical care Free---NOT Any Woman or man who has the ability to Pay their own Lifestyles. PERIOD!
Democratic Party -Is using the Woman Body as "Pawns" to get their vote.
That's it. (Shout -Yeh1 We have a right to do as we please")
That's what the "PILL" represents.
It's not a cartoon. It's real.
Woman who are "LURED" into a party that has a goal of destroying the "FAITH" of every Christian has "Garden of Eden" images to me.
Now maybe only Catholics can relate to that.
I would blame any Catholic woman if America loses it's Christian Soul. for the sake of the FALSE "PILL" controversy.
2:59 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Carol: Placing "labels" on anyone who contradicts?
What does Viagra & Birth Control Pills have in Common?.
Both are "intentionally taken"
Doctors prescribe "birth control pill" at age 16 or 17 or 18, for medical reasons? than I have no reason to deny paying for it.
I don't know enough about Viagra, except that perfectly healthy males can take it.
If it is medically necessary , then it should be covered.
Now since you bring up Viagra and the Pill--Let me ask you
Why does your Insurance NOT COVER-- Aspirins, Advil, Cough medicines, band-aids, and other things that we all would need for any medical case.
Would you pay or should I pay, having your Health insurance cover all those?
Would you support medical "spa's Gyms, Weight watchers' programs on on on?
Everything we do is for "medical reasons".
Liberals re-define everything!
You are part of the woman right's group who wish to get everything FREE and would appoint any Party to do that for YOU.
You represent the greediest side of America. And , if you earn more than $40,000 per year , you should be ashamed of being responsible for the enormous COST bestowed on those employers trying to keep the poor and needy employed.
Miss Carol: your the reason why the words "I" and "ME" and "MY Rights" have Trumped---"AT WHAT COST"
Yes! You are being manipulated--and I feel it necessary to make the Catholics aware of that manipulation. The media cannot suppress my words.
Evidence , this is the first time you ever heard it.
8:05 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Interesting comment by Kathy K. on the Texas hgwy project being halted after finding a couple endangered spiders. Of course the environmentalists and epa say this is necessary to protect them, who knows what great scientific discovery or medical uses might be derived from these plants or creatures. So their protection is paramount and every reasonable effort to save them must be applied. Makes you wonder, why then... well just makes you wonder.
12:41 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Claire: I deal with many woman who are more devout to a Party, than to "GOD".
The evil one works in many ways. I sense a weakness in all woman "who think for THEMSELVES" while NOT thinking about their "Faith in GOD".
Last election in 2008 over 60% of Catholic Woman voted for Obama.
To re-vote for what is now an obvious "non-Christian" mentality throughout the whole Democratic party leaves me wondering about "Woman".
Sandra Fluke and Carolyn Kennedy are a disgrace to What the Catholics believe.
They represent the Dem party of today. They represent the coming decline in Families under "GOD" and the morals of society.
All in the name of "Free medical care"
Substitute the "evil one for "Free medical care" or "the Pill" for Free medical care,
And you could envision "The Garden of Eden" happening right before your eyes.
Spread this to every woman organization you know because I am dead.
(Yes! woman are selling their "souls" for the sake of a temporary feeling)
Carol Lewis
12:58 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
I feel for the women you deal with, PaulRevere. So women who think for themselves are weak but men who do so are not? So when women have sex (assuming that's what you mean by 'a temporary feeling') they sell their souls but men do not. The Democratic Party is free, and rightly so, to be a non-Christian party because we are NOT a Christian nation. Have you not heard of freedom of (and from) religion? I will regret posting this, I know, but I had to speak up.
1:45 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Carol just exposed and confirmed everything I wrote.
C'mon The Liberal woman are now actually admitting their real dislike for "Chritians"
(saying , America is NOT a Christian nation). Their goal is to keep dissolving "GOD" and his teachings.
A final message to all Christian Woman! (Especially Catholics)
There you have it . once you vote for the "non-Christian Dem Party", Your whole Catholic faith will be stolen from you.
That is THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY----Trust me!
They need a way to take only a little of your faith away for now.
Once "GOD" and Christian Teachings are destroyed, your Religion's freedom is Destroyed.
A little at a time , until every Catholic woman will eventually be forced to live under "SHARIA LAWS"
Carol--Geez did I regret posting this!
Carol Lewis
2:09 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
to PR - I knew I would regret my posting because it would get a creepy answer from you. And I suspect others sooner or later.
3:48 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
It's not the Posting that you regret.
It is your convictions and beliefs that are weak.
Try voting a conservative style, and you will be enlightened to the truth.
You don't have to have any religion to join a better AMERICA for ALL.
An America that requires ALL to share in it's givings.
That is what the many cultures should strive for.
Not the We-They Rich-Poor wars that Liberals need to survive.
Everyone sharing can divide more than stealing from a limited Rich.
There are 150 million taxpayers in America.
Only 75million Pay any tax.
3 million are millionaires. My point is simple -72million people who pay taxes can share more with each other than focusing on 3 million who can only share with a few. That is what conservative means. That is why our convictions are strong.
Because more people actually are conservative. They are not heard.
Romney is the only one that mentions "cutting Govt Pay"
That is a big plus and keeps everyone else on the job.
If we cut the pays of Govt, and fix education costs, No jobs of working Americans will be lost.
That is not how Liberals & Obama want to fix america.
Liberals will eventually take every $1 from the 3 million Rich UNTIL there are Zero Rich.
What do you do then? Who do you steal from next?
Answer---The Middle Class----You are NEXT until only the GOVT EXISTS CONTROLLING EVERYTHING you SAY and DO.
That , my lady is how you voted if you vote for New Liberalism.
Eventually every union will topple -As Uneeded!
Kathy Keith
2:16 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
The government should pay for neither Viagara or birth control. It should also rethink this program which gives debit cards for food stamps--there has always been some abuse in food stamps, but at least before the "plastic" there was some control over it. Now people are "losing" their plastic cards (euphenism for selling them) and re-applying for new ones that were "stolen". This is costing our government lots of money. No One should go hungry, but they need to go back to the old way when there were some limitations.
Can't help but remember the guy in front of me who used his food stamps and then asked for cigarettes off the shelf and paid $20 cash for them. If he could afford $20 for cigarettes he could afford food. I saw on the news yesterday that a woman had somehow parlayed her food stamp card ino $10,000 worth of plastic surgery.
We need less government-not more.
3:29 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
You certainly are very informed. Thanks to you.
I wish 'Wimpy Republicans" would actually speak the truth and stop worrying about the Political Correctness.
You are a True American who understands the economic malaise upon us.
An economic malaise that cannot stop without removing this "FREE" mentality that now exists. Public Schools and Government workers, city halls are close to outnumbering the Actual workers paying for them.
If they exceed 50% of the country, ALL OF US ARE DOOMED FOR TOTAL GOVT CONTROL. Close they are NOW!
A new War will result . (WORKERS vs. TAKERS)
I expect to be a little early on what I say and predict, but I will be 100% correct on everything predicted. (unless major changes are made in "Free" mentalitiy)
I am tired of sad stories about how many cannot survive.
Everything given Free the past 4 years has been "borrowed money"
CHARITIES have been ignored as a source of "free".
Isn't it time our so-called poverty striken be treated as "temporary" rather than permanent?
Your informed comments are excellent.
Carol Lewis
3:55 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
The government doesn't pay for these, the insurance companies do. As for food stamps, yes, there is abuse, but if I were hungry, homeless, jobless, and needed to feed my kids, I'd sure want to have them.
8:13 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
The gov't SHOULD pay for birth control. Reduces crime from unwanted children, reduces poverty, and increases everyone's quality of life. An investment in the American people and our future. But those conspiring to overpopulate are adamantly against this. Few Americans have any idea what a poverty rate beyond 50% means to all of us and yet they can just look to the Southern Hemisphere at Central America. I was with a Venezuelan woman before "the Hugo" when she stated "we have been a democracy for 50 years" and then cited an 80% poverty rate, adding "I don't know how much longer." But this is what the enemy wants. Brings the people to their knees begging for mercy, willing to vote for ANYONE who promises any type of relief. We don't need this. And that's why all thinking Americans support Planned Parenthood;s "Every Child a Wanted Child."
1:31 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
1Ronald I have questions:
1) Where does our Government get the money to Pay for Birth Control?
2) Are you suggesting The Government actually control the birth rate of this USA?
3) A Democracy? Is that what the USA Is?
Were you ever taught about our Constitution? --We Are A Republic--A nation of LAWS. The Majority does not rule like in a country run as Democracy.
4) Do you think Obama has this country safe , with another 911 attack on USA Embassies and the Killing of 4 Americans Including the Ambassador>?
It has now been confirmed that Libya President said "Without Douibt, this was a Planned attack" .They killed our Ambassador 4 hours before the Embassies in egypt and around the world actually started burning and taking over other embassies.
Do you think Obama has done one iota of calming the hatred of America?
Listen closely, you might want 4 more years of "freebies", but every Single woman and Obama supporter who uses the liberal party as ""the candy man" or as a substitute Husband will eventually experience how a "democracy " really feels.
(No freedom) (one-class) (Peasants)
I would hope , you are the first Poverty stricken one to experience the unthinkable.
Again , I warn All Single woman who use this Liberal President as their Husband "candy man" that your future is in "DANGER".
Unless you vote to change what has been changed.
No Hope in moving Forward into the Ditch of "SHARIA LAW".
Obama does have muslim blood. You ain't gonna like it.
3:11 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
CAROL: there is coverage for Birth control Insurance, If you pay for it. Not if I pay for it. Insurance always recognized it as non-medical.
It is as affordable as "Aspirin or Advil"
What's wrong with that? The Problem is that Parents are shirking their responsiblities teaching their young to have "moral" standards.
That society will NOT be responsible for their adult "playgrounds"
Everything sounds creepy to you, as I wonder why you actually believe Democrats stand for a responsible America. A responsible America that is PAID BY THOSE who ACT RESPONSIBLY.
Carol Lewis
3:57 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
So it's ok for insurance to pay for men to have sex, but not for women to prevent pregnancy. You who believe you pay for everything on your own don't seem to know who paid for the roads and bridges, who keeps planes from falling out of the sky or crashing into each other, or protects us from terror attacks. I am a proud Democrat and Obama supporter and not every thing sounds creepy to me...just those who are so self-righteous and don't seem to be able to put themselves in other people's shoes.
Kathy Keith
4:49 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Just for the record, while PR may agree with me on some issues, I am not supporting his comments. And for Carol, it may surprise you to know that roads and bridges are built in Republican administrations as well as in Democrat. Certainly, from the beginning part of our government has been dedicated to our "common defense"--as it should be. No government would be called anarchy--and I don't think any of us here are supporting that.
Unfortunately, the federal government has grown out of control. The social safety net needs to operate for those who need it--but, unfortunately, as in the GM bailout which is not looking as good as the administration claims, our government's job is not to bail out companies--or banks. The regulations are paralyzing small businesses-and education.
Education needs to go back to the states and local governments. It is not "one size fits all." Both "No Child Left Behind" and "Race to the Top" are both well-intentioned programs which create more bureaucracy than results. Look at the money poured into the Dept. of Education since its inception--yet test scores are worse-not better.
8:06 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
The US Dept of Education was another of Jimmy Carter's mistakes. Too many. But this BIG one has costs us untold billions of dollars down a bottomless bucket with no end in sight. Talking about ripping off taxpayers? End this now by returning the federal Education function to HHS and let them again become HEW, with an Education Commissioner. Cheaper, more effective, more accountable.
Carol Lewis
9:05 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Kathy, I'm perfectly aware that roads and bridges are built in Rep administrations! We may not agree but I'm not stupid. I agree that the federal government has grown but it has actually shrunk under Obama. And I agree that some things should be handled by states, but not everything.
6:53 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Valerie Jarrett -The Truth matters?
GM status truth.: It is my business to analyze Financial statements.
So here are the facts that no one will tell you.
1)GM has special 10 year exemptions from paying any Taxes on Profits.
(Any company out of normal bankruptcy has to pay taxes on profits)
2) GM gets your tapayer dollars for every Volt sold (about $9,000 each car)
3) The Govt and states are buying Volts to support it's high price. (spending and wasting your dollars)
4) GM and obama Stole $billions from regular Mom's/Dad's bonds held in GM company. (Merely took them and tore up the bonds) Many Families lives were financially destroyed. All in the name of saving jobs.
5)GM therefore operates without paying any interest on loans , because they do not have any major loans.
6)GM operates with "Free" machinery and some labor cost because of those bonds they literally stole-money from.
7)GM will never pay of the remaining $30Bil to us taxpayers , because the unions now own half the company.
8) GM earned 6 months 2012 $3.5B and got to keep $3.5B all of it
Ford earned 6 months 2012 $8.1B and got to keep $2.4B
(difference is taxes and interest and Deprn)
GM operates with no competitors. Long-term No Auto mfg can compete when GM has no Cost controls and $25B "Free" money to burn.
The Auto industry is not back, this (could be) is the start of Public Auto industry.
And folks, If GM is not allowed to go regular bankruptcy-All of you will be forced to buy GM first.
7:03 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
More Truth about GM!
For those who understand Balance Sheets, GM has over $40billion dollars assigned to an asset called "Goodwill". That is to hide the real cost of depreciating the machinery & equipment they got free by "screwing" many househoilds who were depending on getting their bonds paid off.
Then , there is another $20Billion on the balance sheet labelled "intangibles".
Both of these defer the cost of operating the company. Hidden costs!.
If one took both these and expensed them-- POOF! goes any GM phantom Profits we are all told.
I reiterate, Obama and this whole NEW Liberal Party is keeping the "TRUTH" from you. But , this article is appriately titled-- TRUTH matters.
This is the GM truth.
GM should be re-filing Bankruptcy once again.
Any declaration about Chrysler is still ALVIE! It was sold for $1 to Fiat.
Now that's a job saver. (as all chryslers might soon be produced overseas)
Cheryl Darby
8:11 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Mitt Romney caught on tape -- Obama supporters pay no income tax, take no reponsibility for our lives? Really!? Thank you, Mr. Romney, for finally giving a glimpse of what contempt he holds us in. This man disdains the very people who are standing on the front lines defending him. He is not fit to shine their shoes.
Kathy Keith
8:43 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Romney was talking about securing votes. He has asked that the whole tape be released so that his words can be taken in context. He was saying that 47% of the electorate do not pay income tax and that they will probably support Obama because they see no benefit from change.
Jimmy Carter's grandson has taken credit for releasing these comments. You might expect that from someone who supports Barack Obama Carter.
As far as leaked comments: how about Barack Obama's comments about the "bitter clingers to religion". And we wonder why the DEMS want to take God out of the platform.
Keith Best
8:48 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Finally, we have a politician (Romney) who is NOT AFRAID to tell it like it is.
Thank GOD we have someone who realizes where the spending problem is in this country. He knows 47% will NOT vote for him, because they have and want that government dependency.
Romney/ Ryan 2012!-----NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
Carol Lewis
8:57 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
For those of you who believe the figure that 47% don't pay taxes, you need to look at who is included in that group: a lot of elderly and/or poor people who are on fixed incomes and don't make enough money to pay taxes. I agree with Cheryl, that as an Obama supporter, I resent the implication by some on these posts that I am a freeloader only interested in government handouts. And I agree with Wien that this post has gone far beyond its original subject and maybe it's time to take it down.
8:19 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Cheryl you should also include the part on the middle east, he hit the nail on the head with that one as well.
10:00 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Wow, it's silly how much I keep seeing this post pop up on the main page due to never-ending comments.
Dear people of the internet, no one has ever (or will ever) change their opinion or their vote based on the comments section of a major newspaper, much less Patch. Both sides may as well be arguing with a wall, because the other side isn't listening. Like signs in a median, volume (in terms of number, but \a good pun since it also applies to noise level) isn't the answer.
1:42 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Got your attention ,didn't it?
Wien: I actually agree that no minds might be changed-here.
However, many will read these without commenting.
Those are the ones that will spread the comments.
Family , friends, workplace and they will also spread the comments.
1 to 2 to 6 to 12 to 24 to 50 (I know).
This is indeed a very important matter in this country.
THE TRUTH MATTERS. It's the TV media that we should fear.
8:31 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Getting attention by someone noticing and saying "wow, what a bunch of vitriol from both sides, competing to yell louder" does not lead people to spread information or comments outside that forum.
Facebook and online comments have replaced the crazy guy on the corner yelling about the end of times. It's so overwhelming and slanted that people ignore it. Did it get my attention? Yes. Did I read the original article or a single comment? No, except for yours this morning.
Long story short, I guess I find life way too short to spend the time, effort, and anger involved with yelling into the virtual void.
11:09 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mr Wien:
Even an "empty chair" could say this Loud.
"You made my day"
No reading necessary.
Just watch how Democrats will put their foot in mouth as the whole country learns the truth about 47% of them not paying a penny in their fair share. They exposed themselves.
8:56 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
from The Daily Beast: "Romney to Voters: Drop Dead"
"Here was Romney raw and unplugged—sort of unscripted. With this crowd of fellow millionaires, he apparently felt free to utter what he really believes and would never dare say out in the open. He displayed a high degree of disgust for nearly half of his fellow citizens, lumping all Obama voters into a mass of shiftless moochers who don't contribute much, if anything, to society, and he indicated that he viewed the election as a battle between strivers (such as himself and the donors before him) and parasitic free-riders who lack character, fortitude, and initiative." --David Korn [Mother Jones]
11:04 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
I don't know about your tax situation, but if you are part of that 47% who do not pay any taxes, you certainly earn no rights to be casting any 1st stones.
Cheryl Darby
9:00 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Among the 47% are military serving in war zones. Of the ten states comprising people who pay no income taxes, nine are red states -- Romney voters. Every time Romney says or does something wrong, instead of saying, yes, he made a mistake, Romney supporters come back with something Obama did wrong or claim Romney's remarks were taken out of context. So predictable, and so wrong.
11:01 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Quit trying to excuse why there are 47% who do not pay any taxes. Or trying to justify why they do not pay any taxes.
Ppoint is that Obama has made a claim that many in this country do not pay their fair share. Isn't 75 million people a little too many for not paying their fair share.
Is it the Truth or not.?????
Cheryl Darby
9:04 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Kathy, I take offense to your comment about the DEMS wanting to take God out of the platform. That is right down there with the birther nonsense and does nothing but further divide us as a nation.
Carol Lewis
10:00 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
I agree, Cheryl. And God doesn't need to be in either platform for people to be believers of one faith or another. The US is not a Christian nation, nor a nation of any one faith.
10:57 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
You obviously missed the Dem Convention. Or those local TV channels suppressed the whole thing.
Did you not know that "GOD" was removed from the DEM platform, only to be re-instated by a vote call on the floor?
Actually, go listen, "GOD" was actually shouted Down at this most Liberal minded Democratic party.
Now, if you never knew that, may I suggest you get information from all TV and internet conservative video sources., just to be Fair-Balanced.
That's the Truth.
Kathy Keith
11:17 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
I watched the DNC on Cspan. I saw the vote. Did you watch it? God was taken out of the platform until they put it back in against an audience that was voting to leave God out. It was quite disturbing. The crowd booed when they put it back in. How can you equate that to birther nonsense?. It is documented from the convention itself..
Cheryl Darby
9:07 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Careful talking about the 47%. Check out thedailybeast.com.
Nate McKenzie
10:30 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Does anyone know of analyses that estimate total share of tax burden including federal, state, and local? I know of the CTJ/ITEP analyses (http://www.itep.org/) and was looking to see if there were other analyses that could be compared.
There is a great deal of analysis on share of federal tax burden (where the 47% gets misused so frequently) but little on share of state and local burdens.
Cheryl Darby
10:41 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mr. Campenni, I just saw other videos on youtube featuring Mr. Harris. Hah! Another tea partier trying to smear Obama. You may move others of his ilk to your way of thinking, but you've got to do better than that. Romney said it all in his remarks at the May fund raiser. Yep, out if his own mouth he let us know what he really thinks.
10:49 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
WOW! The Truth does matter. Thank Romney for saying the Truth. Thank him for waking this country up to reality. Thank him for letting you all know just who the "freeloaders are".
150 million tax returns filed, and 75 million had ZERO taxes. Now that's the truth.
With an estimated 10 million in Poverty, that leaves 65 mil people not even paying a Penny of their fair share to live in this country. They certainly would vote Obama, to continue Robbing the the hard working other 75 million people.
Actually this statement has awakened All of America.
Now, Romney has the uppser hand, because the 50% of America never knew the Truth. WHAT? says most of the workers--Why does my neighbor get away with living off of Government Programs while I have to work.
Maybe Romney has finally made a Point that "the freeloaders" equal many in that 47% that do not pay taxes.
Now , I see those 47% people wanting to add their State and local taxes to their Tax bills. (just so they can claim paying taxes)
Well thank you , 47%ters-- Then add Romney's state and local taxes to his Federal Tax and Oh My Gosh! His tax rates go over 30%.
Cheryl Darby
10:59 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mr. Romney required that Mr. Ryan turn over to him 10 years of tax returns before selecting him as his running mate. Romney is running for the presidency and does not feel we should receive that same info from him. We need to hold him to the same standard he set for Mr. Ryan. If Obama tried something like that, I wouldn't vote for him either.
Cheryl Darby
11:01 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mr. Revere, I saw both conventions. Please don't insult my intelligence or yours.
Nate McKenzie
11:10 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Tough to have a conversation when so many are chasing windmills but...
At least argue from a common set of data.
1:08 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
I don't normally carry it this way but all you people finding reason to vote again for a idiot determind to ruin us can suck it.I know all the pros and cons of obamaians and it is most definitly someone elses time to try and fix this mess we are all in together.One thing is certain,we gave obama a chance and he failed.Move over rover!
Barbara Glakas
2:53 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them.
"And they will vote for this president no matter what…. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. So he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to is convince the five to ten percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not."
Read more celebrity gossip at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-stands-by-47-percent-comments-will-video-derail-his/#ixzz26qh96Emk
Cheryl Darby
3:02 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mr. Romney's statement was in error. 47% takes in all kinds of people, all parties, all walks of life, including peopke who indeed will vote for him. To say the 47% who Romney claims will vote for Obama are all deadbeats who do not pay income tax is ludicrous. Are the 47% who are Romney voters all venture capitalists who have offshore bank accounts?
Cheryl Darby
3:47 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mr. Revere, please refer to Nate's weblink re the 47%. And why do you have so much hatred for people you don't even know?
Uncle Smartypants
4:15 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
I love when these raving teabaggers get hooked on a comment thread and just go off the deep end. Do they really think they are persuading the few undecideds with their poorly worded rants? Most likely, people think "Do I really want to be on the same side as this lunatic?" Where is Burke Patriot? He's my fave ...
7:16 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
So I heard tonight that they have arrest warrants for a man in florida who might have helped promote the anti-muslim film.There goes freedom of speech out the door and I can't help but think obama had a lot to do with it.Wonder why he didn't serve warrants on the black panthers that helped him get elected with intimidation tactics in Philly.Looks for someone to blame for his weak ass.
7:34 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
If I saw it right, the gentleman was on probation for Internet crimes and wasn't allowed to use the Internet. But he did, so that's why he getting busted. Not directly related to the video, but close.
Cathryn S
6:39 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Dean--the Egyptians have issued arrest warrants for Terry Jones, and several other people in connection with the film. Nothing to do with the US, the President or any violation of the 1st Amendment.
12:22 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
This is probably the most appropriately titled comments site on the Internet.
Romney gives a simple Fact "47% of the prople in America Do not Pay Income taxes"
It is the Truth.
Yet the complainers spin it (condemn) because he didn't explain WHY and WHO was in that percentage.
Did anybody report that This statement was made in MAY 2012 at a Private Fund raiser?. Romney did not even know that he was being secretly taped..
Now I am sure , if he did, He would have elaborated on that 47% like all of you are now asking..
Cathryn S
7:01 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Romney further elaborated, as anyone who has heard the recording now know:
"There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it," Romney says in the video. He continues: "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax . . .
"And so my job is not to worry about those people," he goes on. "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
By the way, capitalization of the third person pronoun is traditionally reserved for references to a deity. I do hope that you have not elevated Romney to a god in your mind.
Carol Lewis
8:33 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
The truth does matter and thus it is important to know why and who the 47% are; it's not spin! It includes mainly seniors on social security (that they paid into for years) which isn't taxed, the working poor who pay federal payroll taxes but don't earn enough to pay income tax, a small number of college grads in their first year of work, AND about 3000 gazillionaires (Romney's buddies) who pay no taxes using loopholes available only to the wealthy. All legal, I know, but the seniors not taxed on social security income is also legal. Romney thinks almost half the population are freeloaders, moochers, lazy folk who won't take care of their lives, and they are supporting Obama. That's an insult. And...think about this, PR... if the great Republican plan to save the economy is to cut taxes on the wealthy so it trickles down to us peons, then the 47% would be very interested in his plan as it would benefit them. He claims he doesn't have to "worry" about them. He should... oh, and many of the 47% are in red states in the south.
The fact that he didn't know he was being taped means he spoke his mind and showed us exactly how he sees the American public.
Locally Involved
10:24 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
@Carol - I don't think being taped ever entered Romney's mind. He was in a coven of those just like him. The caterers - well, I don't think he even noticed them. They were not worth noting. If he was actually self-aware then he would have been cognizant that the individuals serving the food and drinks, cleaning up after, etc. were (or may have been) part of that 47% he spoke of. They weren't lazy expecting people to do for them - what they were doing was every bit as hard work as what those of us that are white collar do, just different. But he spoke referencing people like the caterers as if they didn't even exist in the room. Plutocracy, Feudalism?
Most disturbingly is his lack of self awareness of this country and others not 'like' him. Multiple comments, everything from his statement that 'he didn't inherit anything' then moments later mentioning the $1M his dad left him. Stating that kids should ask their parents for loans if they can't get one from the bank. Speaking 'down', condescendingly, about the local store made cookies, of which the locals were proud of that bakery. And, the list goes on. He defined his own character by his own actions and statements, not the mainstream media. The pundits and journalists simply identified the narrative that Romney created.
Carol Lewis
10:53 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Locally Involved, I agree totally. I also think it was alarming that he said that a former Secretary of State offered him a possible solution to the Israel-Palestine problem and he "didn't delve into it" but decided to just hope that the issue resolves itself. After all his complaints about Obama's handling of the Middle East, he ignores a possible solution? Really?
Locally Involved
11:05 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
If anyone is interested in Mitt's foreign policy agenda, I guess we got it. He doesn't have one.
To be a real leader, and everyone of us in our professional or personal lives have known at least one, that person must believe in something greater than himself - a passion and vision. I have yet to see that passion or vision with Mitt.
At Bain, and in creating Bain, he was a manager. He managed organizations, he managed the dissolution of organizations. Elections aren't about finding the best manager, but the best leader.
From what Romney has defined to date, he has only seem to portray the only thing he is running for is for himself. I know, I hear the words from the stumps, but they ring hollow. Actions speak so much more.
As the old saying goes: Thoughts become words. Words become Actions, Actions define Character. Character is everything.
Do not judge people by what they believe, but how they behave.
8:57 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
So your proud of Obama's foreign policy??? Can you even tell us what it is..? Because by the looks of things overseas I think we could do with alot less of it.
You dismiss Romney as just a manager, yet his entire life is one of accomplishment in the kind of complex management or large diverse organizations that leading the exec. branch of our government demands. The President must not just think their a leader.. they actually must lead. I would encourage all who voted for Obama or plan to to reflect for a minute on what he promised and what he has delivered. I remember when he burst on the scene as the keynote speaker at the 2004 Dem Convention - I was so impressed with his words that I remember turning to some friends and saying "man I wish he was on our side" (yea i lean to the conservative side). You could tell he was going to be a force on the political scene, and frankly at the time I thought this guy has the charisma and non-partisan, pragmatic understanding of the issues, to be appealing across parties. Who would have thought he would be the Pres. so soon after. But, that is not the man who as presided as President - Even his campaign pledges that sounded so good have all been broken..
Here are Seven major campaign lies. Remember how good you all felt when you voted for him - should be ashamed and embarrassed at how you were duped...
Uncle Smartypants
9:51 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
When you use "your" instead of "you're", when you use "their" instead of "they're", why should I respect your opinion? You haven't mastered 8th grade grammar and you're lecturing us on why Mitt should be the leader of the USA? U shud werk on riting gooder befor u post agin. jst sayin ...
10:12 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
So.. Uncle Smartypants, who's the elitist now??? Will free speech require a grammar check? If a word is misspelled - is the point to be ignored? If that's your litmus test than you better have a look at this..
11:11 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Truth often hurts but is always better than all the lies we've been told for 4 years.A big part of the 47% have been taught how to get in the handout line by their parents and become products of their enviroment.It is very true and I have witnessed it more times than most would beleive..I have seen people teach their children how to apply for and collect ssd and ssi.Some of these people were put there before the age of 18 and are still collecting 20 and 30 years later.It is mind blowing how common this is and it is a small % of the abuse of taxpayers dollars.Other people I know have been on welfare for as far back as I can remember.My point is they are perfectly capable of working but choose not too because our goverment allows it to happen.We need a Romney and Ryan to help stop this not advertise for more of the same.It might get Obama votes but is this what we want!!!I know a few women who were beautiful and energetic and got in that easy handout line and became lasy and are now overweight and when they want a night out at the club just sell foodstamps to bankroll it.Obama in reality wants more of it,Romney wants no more of it!
Carol Lewis
11:23 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
You know, Dean, this is total BS. Maybe there are some people who do what you say but the majority of Americans work hard and would much prefer not to live on food stamps (most of which go to white people,by the way). If half the country lives on handouts, why do we see millions of people driving to work every day? There are just not that many people who could work but choose not to. That's absurd. I grant that there is fraud but not to the extent you suggest. You seem to have a very low opinion of your fellow citizens. As does Romney... if he is elected he has to lead the whole country,not just the rich. R & R will help the rich on the backs of the middle class and the poor.
Locally Involved
11:27 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I find it stunning that the far right never, ever addresses the comments that are made - they just deflect onto another topic that has nothing to do with the current discussion topic - in this case, leadership.
No sense Carol carrying on any discussion with these folk - they just want to hear the sound of their own voices. Guess it adds to the chorus of other voices in their heads! LOL!
It matters not what they say - R&R has lost the election. We survived 8 years of Bush, they'll survive 8 years of Obama. As was said during the Vietnam War - America, Love it or Leave it!
Carol Lewis
12:01 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I know, LI, and I need to quite trying to reason with such folk, but I feel I need to at least present the other side. I think Obama has done a good job with no help from Congress. And I am better off today than 4 years ago, because my 401k is way up and stays up as opposed to tanking. And I know I'll be better off after 4 more years of Obama, with healthcare and lower taxes, than I will with R&R. I'm going tonight to make phone calls for Obama. Cheers!
Kathy Keith
12:44 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Your 401 K is way up because of the fact that we are printing more money--a huge boon to Wall Street.
When the prices go up to match your 401 K, let's see how you feel. Have you noticed the price of gas lately? Even if you don't drive a car, it affects the price of food, untilities and consumer goods. Have you heard of hyperinflation? It could happen.
And, enjoy your 401K when your neighbor's kid can't find a job.
Carol Lewis
1:04 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Kathy, please tell me in specifics just what Romney will do to make it better. Do you believe gas prices will fall under him - a president actually has little control over them. Just what will Romney do to create jobs? He says he will but there's no specifics. And don't say Obama hasn't a plan either - he sent one to Congress last year that passed the Senate but languishes in the House, where good ideas to go die.
Kathy Keith
2:20 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Romney gives details on his website. The bottom line is that he will start with regulatory reform that will encourage exploration; streamiline the permitting process; and allow more drilling. I think he also said he would open up Keystone right away. He also supports natural gas, coal, and all other forms of energy production.
As far as jobs, Romney wants to streamiline and reduce regulations so that businesses and entrepreneurs could hire more people. He has also said that he wants to repeal and replace Obamacare which is a job killing program. Opening up more energy (drilling, etc.) would also produce more jobs. (Did you hear that 1200 coal jobs are being eliminated in Virginia due to regulations?)
Redoing the tax code and making it simpler and easier would also help small businesses reinvest and hire more people. Many businesses are limited ti 50 employees because of the regulations and fees that kick in when they go above 50 employees. Romney would "grow" the economy. That is the basic difference in Obama and Romney--Obama seems to think that he must take from some and give to others instead of growing the economy and enabling businesses to hire more people. Entrepreneurship has dropped dramatically under Obama.
Uncle Smartypants
2:51 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Oh Kathy, There you go again. Virginia is not losing 1200 coal jobs because of regulations. You are lyin' like Ryan! The company - Alpha Natural Resources - is closing 8 mines, 4 in WV, 3 in Virginia and one in Pensylvania and also cutting production in its Wyoming facility. The 1200 jobs are nationwide, with probably just a few hundred in Virginia. And they are closing the mines because of falling demand. That's how the free market economy works; I thought you neocons loved that. And if the regulations you so oppose are the ones that keep power plants from polluting the planet. Sorry, I think I'll vote for the guy who wants to keep those laws in place. You speak with forked tongue and have no credibility.
Kathy Keith
3:03 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Oh, Uncle. Go back and read. The regulations are making the coal production in these mines too expensive to compete with natural gas. The need for coal is expected to increase dramatically by the end of the decade.
Uncle Smartypants
3:20 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I did read! You say regulations but you don't say which ones or how they make the price of coal too expensive. Speaking of coal, you know what else I read today? Planet earth set a NEW RECORD for how small the Arctic Ice Sheet can get! Yay Us! In fact, I read the six smallest arctic ice sheets on record are the last six summers. But burning coal and oil has nothing to do with that; just a coincidence, I'm sure.
Locally Involved
3:42 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
@Kathy - you say to one poster to go back and read that regs are making coal production too expensive compared to natural gas. That's called capitalism and competition. Mine safety and environmental protection is important. Coal companies have had a chance since 1991 (when I started in the oil, mining and chemical industries) to adapt to the new regs. They chose instead to spend the millions fighting the regs - obviously to their detriment as you point out because now it is more expensive to mind than natural gas is to produce. That was the coal industry's decision - welcome to competition. There is absolutely no reason that regs should be reduced to make it easy for a firm to compete inefficiently. Capitalism is all about competing more effectively, more efficiently than the other guy. You don't, you lose.
4:08 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Your 401k money is "Capitalism" at work.
You make money from those cruel "Big Corporations" who are out to "screw the Poor and middle class.
You should be on the side of ROMNEY, if 1 cent of your money is invested in Corporations STOCKS or Mutual Funds.
As A matter of fact--I can Guarantee you are.
Shame on you for criticizing the Employers and Big corporations who take your 401k money "UP".
Your man Obama is doing everything in his power to make your whole 401k plan go "POOF! within the next 4 years. And you can thank yourself for that.
He has done nothing nor said anything to help any businessess succeed.
Now OCTOBER is normally the worst month in History For stock market declines.
So heed this warning--Your 401k will Drop big-time if the big-investors sense an OBAMA victory They will sell and drop the market and your 401k to Pre-2008 levels.
No business or Corporation can take the massive Tax increases that Obama wants to see expire on January 1st 2013.
Better hold on to your wallet.
Locally Involved
5:10 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
@PR: Hate to burst your bubble - but the stock market will be just fine. See, today I received my "2012 Elections Guide and Your Finances" from Wells Fargo (my bank). Hmmm, says in 2008, stock market went down 40%. Says 2012, as of May, 2012, stock market up 11%. Says market always goes down in the fall of elections year - and generally markets always close lower in October (remember October 1988?, heck October 2008!).
Now, stock market is at a high right now, as always, when the market hits a high and October is around the corner, we can look at a 10% correction. So, if we're at around 13000 now, that'll mean a correction of 1300. Nonetheless, when you consider the bottom of the market was 6500, we're now at double that. I have no worries about my 401k or other money. Wells Fargo says that.
But I suppose you'll say Well Fargo is part of the left wing conspiracy.
And, if you could actually understand a 10k form, you'd see that banks right now are hoarding cash well over their new Tier One capitalization requirements. Because business and banks are sitting on so much cash and NOT reinvesting it right now, confidence has been restored in the American financial system and therefore money is coming in from institutions and all over the world because the American financial system is STILL the safest in the world.
So, please, go buy your gold bars. Hunker down in your bunker and stay away from the rest of humanity with your nastiness.
Carol Lewis
7:30 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Paul Revere (really? that's your name? if not he must be rolling in his grave!) I never criticized the employers and corporations. I do criticize Romney for his disrespectful and insulting view of those who don't pay taxes and I criticize the republicans in Congress for refusing to do anything to help the country if it might help Obama. They came in 2010 with promises of jobs and instead passed 37 laws on abortion and spent most of their time naming post offices.
I have nothing against capitalism; it's a fine system. For all the lies and garbage about Obama that the right has put out, he is a capitalist but he believes, as I do, that we need to help each other out from time to time. Have you people no imagination as to what you would do if you lost your job, your health insurance, your home?? Would you turn down government aid? Would you let your family starve instead of getting food stamps? Do you not realize that men and women serving in the military need food stamps to make ends meet? As far as I'm concerned, you and people of your ilk are heartless, or at least you come across that way. I'm done with this thread. Have a good life.
Gramps Pupany
11:47 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
GOP corruption starts with Romney & Ryan and lies they've told us about their who they will serve and who they won't. Lies of "omission", such as hidden budget cuts, are equal to lies of "commission", such as telling the rich one thing and the rest of America another.
They're up to his necks in The Lying Game. What they say is all part of the larger GOP strategy. Believe me, Ryan "takes direction" in order to "stay on" the Republican message. He must "sing the GOP song" to be a GOP candidate.
All across the nation, millionaires are backing these liars. They want full control in order to create the final divide between rich and poor. "Us and them".
Their misjudgment? A lot of that 47% they despise is part of working America; students working their way through college, single moms restarting their lives with their first job since high school and truly poor mothers, working while the kids are at school, just to buy fuel oil for this winter and food for the day.
These are proud Americans. Romney has just stolen their pride, their will power and more...their dignity.
Men like Romney, Ryan and Republican candidates for Congress have no place in the seats of government (at any level) making decisions for "all Americans". They only have experience with the "jet set" and their "country club" members. That's okay, if you're running for Prom Queen, but the responsibilities here are far reaching and their vision does not include all Americans, as we've just found out.
Cheryl Darby
9:00 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Gramps, what sickened me the most about Romney's comments was the disdain he obviously has for hard-working Americans. He just has no connection at all to the world most of us inhabit. There is great dignity in working hard. I simply have no respect for a man who thinks most of us don't matter because we don't belong to country clubs and have off-shore bank accounts. He certainly is not fit to be President.
Locally Involved
12:44 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
LOL! There they go again! Not addressing the most recent discussion and trying to find another topic they think they can win!
Cheryl and others, must see video: Romney's mom talking about his dad. If only Mitt remembered his roots, things may have turned out differently. Mitt's not his dad.
Cheryl Darby
9:09 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Thanks for the link. Considering his own father's family was poor and needed "welfare relief" per Mrs. Romney, Mitt's statements are even more unsettling.
Locally Involved
10:02 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Mitt is obviously not his father. I cannot remember one speech or interview Mitt gave that ever mentioned his father being so poor and needing welfare. I can only conclude that he is either embarrassed, ignorant of his own history, or can't make the connection.
Whatever the reason, it shows he's unable to lead others into the future. when he cannot acknowledge/doesn't even know his own history.
Don't you find it amusing the extremists on this board never acknowledge anything such as this? All they do is find some pittance to rant about! I say Congress place a new proposal on the boards: Anyone can opt out of any welfare, unemployment insurance, healthcare, whatever. They still have to contribute as part of the American society. But they don't have to receive the benefits. They don't have to have healthcare, no insurance card, no hospital services when they have a car accident. When they lose their jobs, no unemployment insurance (they obviously can support themselves without any such entitlements) and when they retire, no medicare, again, because they are obviously so self sufficient. Islands unto themselves. I'd vote for that.
Kathy Keith
2:48 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
The truth matters, Valerie?
How about the fact that it is now being reported the the administration (via State Department) was warned two days before the riots. The problem is not the video but concerns about the "Blind Sheik"...........they want him released. Sure, the video may tick them off--but the real issue is terrorism-and the blind sheik is a terrorist still in our custory for the World Trade center bombings during the Clinton administration. The video is a red herring.
Also, Valerie, how about all the lies about Fast and Furious? One of the top DOJ officials has now resigned and another top official (Breuer) is still under investigation.
Please , ma'am, just the facts.
Cheryl Darby
8:48 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Did you not see Condeleeza Rice testify about intelligence reports that warned about Al-Qaeda activity within our borders prior to 9/11? Please stop accusing Democrats of being the sole cause of all the problems since the founding of our country. It may make you feel better, but that's all it accomplishes.
Kathy Keith
9:15 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Condaleeza. Rice's testimony was honest as opposed to Susan Rice's interviews on the Sunday talk shows last week. S. Rice kept sticking to the story about the video being the cause of the riots and that the Ambassador's murder was just protests gone wrong. It is not clear that it was plotted and planned by (probably Al Queda) terrorists. It is now reported that they were given two days notice of the protests in Egypt and that the cause is the demand to release the "Blind Sheik".
We had Al Queda threats within our borders beginning in 1993 with the bombing of the WTC. No one is blaming the DEMS for being the source of all the problems. However, the current White House is in charge of our current foreign policy and it is a mess.
3:23 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Some truth: One million DVDs of the movie "Dreams from my REAL Father" which tells what Gilbert says is Obama's true life story, as the son of American Communist Frank Marshall Davis, not the Kenyan Barack Obama Sr., are being mailed out for free today to Ohio alone, and the producer, Joel Gilbert, says he will mail 1 million more, state by state, until it is covered by the mainstream news media. He says Obama sold us a lie, based on him being the "multicultural ideal" the son of a Kenyan goat herder and white mother from Kansas, while in fact Obama has a deeply disturbing family story, and that his ideological ideas mirror those of US Communist party operative Davis, his real father. See what the buzz is about here: www.obamasrealfather.com
Uncle Smartypants
10:29 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Whoa dude, I think this will put Willard in the White House. Is latent communist leanings genetic? Like stupidity?
7:02 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Dear locally,why do you think business/banks are sitting on all that cash?They are scared to death to invest it in this pitiful enviroment created by your lordship(not mine)Bama!Think,just think of the oppisite side of your coin.Try to see past your bias and veiw the opposition with neutral eyes just for a day.
Carol Lewis
7:24 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Dean, my take is that the banks are sitting on all that cash because they don't want to contribute to anything that would make Obama look good. As for biases, read Woodbridge Dude's utter nonsense and then talk to me about bias.
Locally Involved
9:09 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Dean, you obviously are not a business man or have ever worked in a corporate environment - thank God.
Business is sitting on the cash because they can simply because their stock price is being rewarded with higher prices therefore enriching the C suite. But, as I said,stockholders (and I am speaking of organizations larger than 1k employees that are public) are frustrated at no organic growth. Organic growth comes from investment in new technologies, not incremental changes in existing product lines.
Once the banks are comfortable with the stabilization of the housing market, which as we've seen July numbers just released have been revised up 10% and foreclosures are at the lowest in 4 years - they will begin to lend. Once banks begin to lend (ie: loosen their credit - which is where banks make the real money), companies will begin organic growth.
Note, the smart companies are investing in new products NOW so they are ready to pull the trigger later. Foolish companies will wait until they see consumer demand pickup THEN start the research. These are always the laggards and I would not recommend investing in these firms.
Small companies are the fastest growing sector right now. We'll see a lot of M&A activity as the larger firms buy up the products/services of these small firms.
As for bias, your term of "lordship" shows yours. I speak only from an objective business perspective. Funny how a little knowledge dissipates the boogie men you see everywhere!
Cheryl Darby
9:16 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Rk, you think Romney's not pursuing a former Secretary of State's comment that, after Palestinian elections, peace between Israel and Palestine is possible is good foreign policy? And you criticize Obama?
9:46 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
What..?? Unable to understand your rambling... <crickets>
Cheryl Darby
9:29 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Rk, saw the youtube re seven MAJOR campaign lies. When Obama says that Brandeis said about transparency, "sunlight is the best disinfectant," a crawl across the screen says " Lie -- Brandeis didn't say that." Yes, Brandeis did say that, but how stupid does the poster think we are. The rest are equally silly, but that one really made me laugh. Talk about desperate!
9:43 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Oh Cheryl... how desperately you cling - Every single one is correct and you know it.
So your proud of Obama's foreign policy? Can you even tell us what it is..? Because by the looks of things overseas I think we could do with alot less of it.
You dismiss Romney as just a manager, yet his entire life is one of accomplishment in the kind of complex management of large diverse organizations that leading the exec. branch of our government demands. The President must not just think their a leader.. they actually must lead. I would encourage all who voted for Obama or plan to to reflect for a minute on what he promised and what he has delivered. I remember the keynote speech at the 2004 Dem Convention - I was so impressed with his words that I remember turning to some friends and saying "man I wish he was on our side" (yea i lean to the conservative side). You could tell he was going to be a force on the political scene, and frankly at the time I thought this guy has the charisma and non-partisan, pragmatic understanding of the issues, to be appealing across parties. Who would have thought he would be the Pres. so soon after. But, that is not the man who as presided as President - Even his campaign pledges that sounded so good have all been broken..
Here are Seven major campaign lies. Remember how good you all felt when you voted for him - should be ashamed and embarrassed at how you were duped...
9:57 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Actual quote: "Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman."
He also famously said.. "Experience teaches us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent."
Cheryl Darby
9:34 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Condeleeza Rice was not honest. Did you see that testimony? She waffled all over the place.
9:44 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Truth Matters?? Here's some truth about the Obama energy plan.. Quote: .."bankrupt the coal industries" Quote: "Under my plan electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket" and gas prices too I might add. It's all right here for you to see and hear with your own eyes and ears directly from the mouth of Obama. It's been no secret, but the lemmings don't listen or don't care and the press is derelict in reporting and discussing it..
Watch and learn:
"My plan will bankrupt the coal industry.."
From the same interview:
"Under my plan electricity rates will skyrocket" and gas prices too I might add..
Cheryl Darby
10:40 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Locally, I'd vote for that, too. Wonder if all these people who've been ranting about it would agree.
Locally Involved
10:55 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
@Cheryl, ah heck no they wouldn't agree! It's all my way or the highway. They don't want it so no one should have it because lord knows any social safety nets are the road to socialism, communism, fascism...or some ism. I say if you can't live in a society, a society being a community organized by laws and rules of behavior - then find an island, please!
LOL - no infrastructure, no electricity, no meddlesome taxes, no one to help them when sick hungry, or elderly. They can build it all by themselves. They can do it all by themselves. The rest of us are lemmings.
Locally Involved
10:48 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
There is a narrative I've noticed in this post (as well as others) where one side constantly refers to 'the government' as if the government is something evil.'The government' is an elected body by the citizens of this country. When you refer to the government (ie; the Congress) as some evil body, you are in effect saying that your countrymen are evil. Feel free to disagree on policy. Cite FACTS not ideological websites. Speak to those facts in a coherent manner that supports your position, Instead, we get a bunch of ranters that ignore actual hard facts and instead find other 'voices' that support irrational fears.
If you have no hard actual data that you can speak to in a civilized debate, you'd best not comment. Better for someone to think you're a fool than to open your mouth and confirm you're a fool.
Finally, getting really tired of fools calling others "lemmings' when they are obviously following their own fears. The rest of us aren't buying it.
As for the coal industry, RK, let it die. My grandparents and uncles were coal miners and no one in my family - having lived the nightmare of loved ones buried in the mountains - have no sympathy. The future of this country has always been founded on NEW, new processes, new technologies. NOT on a 100 year old industry. Move on.
12:53 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
I choose lemmings for the way they will blindly follow the leader right off the cliff... As for the coal industry "let it die" comment - please forward that to the 136,000 coal miming employs in the US.
•Nearly half of U.S. electricity is generated from coal.
•Coal accounts for about 30 percent of U.S. total energy production
•The U.S. has nearly 261 billion tons of recoverable coal reserves, according to the Energy Information Administration.
•That's a 235-year supply at current rates of use.
•Coal accounts for approximately 94 percent of the nation's fossil energy reserve.
•Power plants being built today emit 90 percent less pollutants (SO2, NOx, Particulates, mercury) than the plants they replace from the 1970s, according the National Energy Technology Laboratory.
•Coal plants in the 21st century emit 40% less co2 than the average 20th century coal plant, according to the World Coal Institute.
•Regulated emissions from coal-based electricity generation have decreased overall by over 50 percent since the 1970s while coal use has tripled, according to government statistics.
Finally, calling those who disagree or present facts and incontinent truths fools or as you said in an earlier post "BS crazy folk" - well 1/2 the country thinks the other half are fools - guess we will find out who the real fools were some years down the road. Still waiting for those "5 million new Green Energy jobs"
Locally Involved
10:15 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
RK - thanks for the cut and paste. Perhaps you did not notice that I spent a part of my career in the oil gas mining and refining industries. So I am more than aware of the facts.
I am also very much aware that the coal industry has chosen to 'compete' on outdated technology. They've had 20 years to update their scrubbers and instead spent millions fighting the rules. The lawyer fees cannot be written off - however, updating scrubbers is a capital expenditure and could have been amortized (and therefore helped the bottom line profits).
When Ford introduced the cars, the livery stable owners complained they'd be out of business. Wang word processors put thousands of secretaries out of work. Automated factories (robotics) put thousands of manufacturing jobs out of work. These were not bad things. New and different jobs were created and these workers found other employment. They that do not adopt to change will become extinct.
America's economy has ALWAYS grown and found recovery through new technology and efficiencies. From the transistor to the computer - our economy has thrived when we moved forward and made the change. If we want a recovery now, then it is NOW that we must as businesses invest in the FUTURE not cling to the past.
Coal will never in our lifetimes go away. But our economy will not survive if we do not change and invest in new technologies. Oh, Lord, why am I teaching basic economics and business to a newbie....outta here.
Locally Involved
10:31 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
@Mike - I agree. The only thing I would add is that since our government is elected by the people, it is our responsibility to hold our government accountable. Active citizenry is required. Evil happens when good men do nothing.
Active citizenry can be protesting (peacefully), civil disobedience, letter writing, calling officials - there are so many ways we as everyday folk can have an impact but choose not to.
For those that may not be aware - your officials are required by their parties to track every call and letter they receive as pro or con on an issue - that's how they gauge their constituencies priorities and develop their platforms. Last I knew, I think it was every call/letter counted as 10,000 people per senator and it's 1,000 for every 1 call/letter for a rep. If a district has more activists on either side (extremists on the right or liberals on the left) then yes it can be swayed - but that's only because those citizens chose to be active.
Sign up for Mega-Vote on Congress.org and you can get all the votes and contact your reps and senators with just a click. All the info comes to you - very easy.
2:15 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
LOCALLY: says the Govt is Elected.
You have our "Republic" system Backwords.
The CONSTITUITION is what the People expect to be adhered to.
Our Elected Officials are NOT a "Govt For the people"
Our elected officials DO NOT have powers to Dictate --Job creation or investing in Private industry. There are no exceptions in the "Republic" form of govt.
Every elected i official IS BOUND to follow the Constitution .
They are not Bound to follow a Majority rule.
That is what makes America so Great. Yet, that is what Both Parties have Ignored.
Blaming the past is agreed by All.
But taking a shredding to our Constitution IS NOT what would help.
Everything Obama has done is "Unconstitutional"
Even the Supreme Court is Laughable--ALL OF THEM.
So don't preach this Govt by the People--While that Govt is Against the Constitution.
8:04 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Hi Carol.I know you said your done with this thread but I need to comment on your military food stamp statement.My imediate neighbor is a Marine and he told me himself that if he were to quit and enter civilian life he would need to make $120,000 a year to keep his standard of living.Not a bad lifestyle in my book.
Locally Involved
10:07 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Dear Dean - Obama knows more about economics, finance, and business drivers than you do - as do I. A wiser man seeks knowledge and understanding rather than offer an uneducated opinion.
Locally Involved
10:09 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Dean - it depends what branch of the military service you're in. I know 4 star generals that make more. But the majority of our service members are grunts, doing the everyday work and they ARE on food stamps (why do you think the commissary was created?), and take government rations. Try a discussion with an everyday worker. Ask your marine neighbor about the army and other branches. They're not all paid the same. Again. Seek understanding and knowledge first.
8:16 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Dear locally.As far as corporate man your right I'm not, but more importantly obama is not!
Kathy Keith
11:36 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
to Locally: In the past, there were not so many soldiers on food stamps. The lower enlisted were generally not family men and lived in barracks where they were fed.
Today, however, many family men are enlisting in order to have a JOB! For that reason, there are more lower enlisted in need of food stamps. I doubt a non-commissioned officer with a couple of kids needs food stamps. With six or so kids, he might--I'm not sure. I imagine it would depend on where he lives and whether or not his wife works. However, the everyday "grunt" should not need food stamps unless he has a family.
I don't know what you are talking about as far as the commissary and food stamps. I always thought the commissary was there to serve people who lived on post and had no other place to purchase groceries. Many posts are in (or used to be in) remote areas. Families and soldiers on post needed a place to purchase goods.
Certainly, the military overseas depend far more on commissaries than those here.
Locally Involved
11:49 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
@Kathy - needed to look up some info on base needs for gov't aid. The base pay of most recent enlistees -- from corporals on down -- is at or below the $23,050 poverty rate for a family of four. The military, which counts housing allowances, tax advantages and bonuses in its own accounting of pay, estimates the average junior enlisted member earns about $43,000.
here's one military blog on base life: http://baseguide.com/articles/frontlines-and-food-stamps
Forget the six kids, just 2 kids puts the average grunt in the poverty cohort. To their credit, each of the services has support programs dedicated to helping families cope with financial crises. Each of the services also has established non-profit emergency relief services to provide immediate help for things like food, rent, utilities, transportation and child care.
The fact the our military branches have established services such as above does speak to the great need for assistance. While housing is paid for - none of the other overhead expenses are. One program to help especially larger families is the Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance passed by Congress. FSSA is actually affecting the numbers of those who were getting Food Stamps.
Again, this is a problem not spoken of and the DoD is not required to keep statistics. But there is obviously a need. Further reading and understanding of the issue is needed by all of us.
Food for thought...
Kathy Keith
1:40 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
One thing I repeat from the earlier post, In the past there were not so many family men in the lower enlisted ranks. I understand it is true today. It is mostly because of the economy. I do not deny the need-and did not deny the need. I repeat that in the past there were not so many family men at the lower levels as there are now.
Locally Involved
11:59 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
@Kathy - here's another blog
I'm always more interested in reading the comments - it's a better gauge of the pulse of the common person versus the perspective of the writer.
Another source
Again, if the US Military is establishing programs like One Source, there must be an issue.
These men and women serve and protect our country. Yes, while some joined for employment, many joined out of a desire to serve our country, Patriotic duty. Let's not casually dismiss their needs.
Kathy Keith
1:44 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Locally, I would never --and did not-casually dismiss their needs. I am not going to get into a competition with you, but I guarantee you that I would win on experience with this issue.
Locally Involved
1:50 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Good for you, Kathy. here's your star for dismissing my experience, knowledge and skill. Must be good to be you.
12:21 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
This country has always provided support for the needy.
OBAMA's own words "redistribute Wealth" make it clear ,He is not a capitalist.
Taxing the earners to "give welfare" to others is "socialism". Charities and organizations supported by the wealthy are the route to go , if you need assistance.
I give Thousands of dollars to several local charities for the needy to enjoy.
Every time the Govt takes that money from me, lessens my financial ability to do that. So , if you do not see how Obama will eventually "control you" and what you get, than so be it. His actions are going to take away our LIBERTY to choose how to enjoy the fruits of our labor. RedCross,Vets
Your Obama society is not one that gives you any opportunity to better yourself.
And I know that our local Charities have helped many get back on their feet.
Those claiming Disablity have doubled under Obama, the most in history.
If that is how you envision America future, good luck to you, as the only people left
would be the 99%.
(Oh where did the 1% go , those willing to support the Real needy?)
Is there one achievement of Obama coming close to the Romney saving our 2002 Olympics. That video says a lot about Leadership.
Romney saved this USA from major World Embarrasment.
STOCKS? BANKS CASH? Well , all that cash is Printed by the Treasury and sent to the banks. That is done for one reason --Keep interest rates at Zero.
After the Election- interest & inflation!
No matter who wins.
Locally Involved
12:38 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
PR: I will attempt to get your to hold too thoughts in your head at one time. I know this is a herculean effort, but I'm up for the challenge.
Re: redistribution:
1. Taxes are redistribution of wealth
2. Capital gains tax is a redistribution of wealth since it benefits the cohort of wealthy that can afford to take advantage of that benefit in the HOPE that it'll trickle down and benefit society with reinvestment in economic growth
3. The $6 TRILLION dollars of corporate bailout money - possible through the taxes of the citizen is a redistribution of wealth to help out the corporations (yet you have problem helping out folk like you? I know, your frontal lobe is cramping, no pain no gain)
4. The $5 BILLION in farm subsidies is redistribution of wealth of citizen tax dollars to support the farming industry
5. The $13 BILLION in oil subsidies for production is redistribution of citizen tax dollars (for why, I have no idea since they consistently make the Forbes top 5 most profitable corporations)
That's just 5 of the low-hanging fruit of redistribution of wealth to help corporations. To Carol's point - that's what a society does to balance its collective interests so that all benefit.
Now, go massage those temples, Your brain may be sore. But that would mean admitting redistribution has always existed. As Obama stated in the 14 yr old comment, it's a balance and redistribution to an extent to balance all interests that benefit the country.
12:54 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
I invite left leaning folks to read these...
Who Gives and Who Doesn't?
Bleeding Heart Tightwads
That's what irks me about all of this demonization of people who lean right, and why I will never buy that whole 'wealth redistribution' crud. The main difference is liberals tend to believe that helping out folks in need starts with the coercive power of govt. I agree there needs to be a safety net to help people over humps in their lives, but look at the results of liberal social engineering-we get disasters like LBJ's War on Poverty.
I agree with "To Carol's point - that's what a society does to balance its collective interests so that all benefit" but I also ad that those "collective interests" not be maintained by liberals, because it follows it will be too costly and inefficient in its actual implementation.
Locally Involved
1:13 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
What of the demon-ization of the left? Seems to me (one only needs to read the derogatory comments made of the left in this discussion thread). There are obviously voices on both sides of the aisle.
Do you buy into the corporate redistribution of wealth? I think what you're saying is that safety nets are needed for life and economic challenges. It's the size of that amount that you have issue with, correct?
As to your comment on the 'disaster' of LBJ's War on Poverty - I would prefer before using such colorful characterizations that an outline of what was so bad after considering what was so good. Without the War on Poverty, it can be argued that there would not have been the skilled talent pool and consumer demand (which is oft said the engine of our economy, which I agree with per my earlier comments) to have fueled America's economic growth and dominance. Without which, none of us would be enjoying the results now.
If you examine policy making in the US, aw, heck, business! A stake in the ground is always a start, from there negotiation and tweaking begin (obviously that has a larger tail than in business) to arrive at a end product or service. Even then, the world changes and the process begins again. If anyone's ever been involved in product development, you'd know this process.
It's a process that never ends. But to say the choice to address poverty in America as disastrous would be incorrect. Not doing so would have been worse.
1:17 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
1) Taxes started in 1913---1% of income---Allowed by the Constituion "Congress shall have the power to TAX" ---For the "purpose to Pay BILLS of the united states"
(Our constituion does not give Congress any Power to PAY YOUR BILLS.)
It goes that The President certainly is not even mentioned to have any power to TAX nor to find Jobs for this country.
Tax system is called-- 1913 "INCOME TAX" laws. Not Income Re-distribution act.
2) Capital Gains is available to anyone who owns stocks, rental property (even a residence) or even a Homesale.
Buy yourself any stock- sell it at a gain--and you pay as low as 5% tax on Capital gains. Anyone who makes under $25,000 has Zero Capital gain rates--IT IS NOT A RICH ONLY rate.
3) $6 Trillion Corporate Bailout? No way! Maybe $600Bil , but not $6Tril.
You must be thinking about $6Trill of new Debt taken on by Obama in 4 years.
Bush=$10Tri Now it's $16Tril under Obama.
Anyway---IT WAS ALL BORROWED money--Borrowed money re-distributes nothing. Obama has yet to Pay for anything he claims to give.
That is why he wants to declare "Fair share" tax.
4) Farm Subsidies benefit ALL OF SOCIETY. All 300mil American Citizens Benefit. Corn Flakes would double without Farm subsidies.
All Foods would increase in price.
5)Oil subsidies also BENEFIT 100% of ALL 300mil American Citizens.
I am for removing those subsidies as they keep our Gasoline Prices too low.
Rmove them and we all should see $6 gas.
Stop trying to redefine "capitalism"
Locally Involved
1:36 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
PR - you're facts are ridiculous - I assume they're from some dark oriface on your body that provides a closed information loop.
Total was $6T in corporate bailouts - $600B was just in TARP, there was more than just TARP. Oil subsidies are not needed. If you want to argue that then (following basic math if A=B then B=A) that subsidies to support citizens benefit all, etc. As to the bailout money, the US has MADE money on that loan (and it was a loan) on the monies that have been paid back simply because they took it in stock and the stock market is up.
No more back and forth with you. Only those who come from an educated perspective. Go back to your bunker. Better yet, find another country. Get a vasectomy, the thought of you procreating is frightening.
1:49 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
I am now convinced that Obama support comes from
"Suppression" of information.
It is impossible to debate any issue if the Obama supporters do not even get their own facts themselves.
Not knowing what a Form1120S or 1065 or 990 or passive activity or 501c3 or 501c6 is makes it impossible to debate any tax issues.
The current attempt to re-define our Tax system (as re-distribution of wealth) is a step toward the justification of Obama's supporters as "socialism"
No longer the Democratic party of Kennedy-- Who said "Ask NOT what your Country can do for you, But ASK WHAT YOU can do for your Country:"
Plain and clear Obama supporters are "SOCIALIST"
Equally miserable Citizens is the goal Of Socialism.
that , ladies and gentlemen is what Obama next four years represents.
Hiring Obama to rob the bank, makes these "socialist" feel good, but not one of them has their life improved.
Tax elements
Uncle Smartypants
2:10 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
I traded a year's worth of food stamps and one of my disability checks for a pony and then I find out Obamacare won't even pay for boarding at a stable or even new shoes for the pony!!!!!! WTF? But at least I have a pony.
I am the 47%.
2:16 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Uncle Smartypants, may I please borrow that pony for birthdays-n-stuff? :D
Uncle Smartypants
2:26 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Absolutely, Mike, my pony is for 100% of Americans.
2:23 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Now confirmed that America was Attacked AGAIN on Sept 11, 2012
Killed 4 Americans in Libya.
The Secy of State (Clinton ) should be ashamed of herself.
The President should be ashamed.
His excuse is that he does not shoot first , without the facts.
But, do you all remember his shoot first comments against some Policemen actions.
Obama condenmed the police without knowing ANY facts.
He did this at a Press conference.
He was totally wrong and he was humiliated? OH no!
He had a beer garden sit down with the policemen.
Shooting first is a specialty of this President. It's called "MOCKERY"
Cheryl Darby
2:51 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Mr. Revere, your hatred and vitriol accomplish nothing but show what an angry, misguided person you are. As to who should be ashamed? You need look no further than your mirror. I was at Arlington Cemetery yesterday and gave thanks to all those who have fought for this country we love so much. Yes, they gave their lives so you could disrespect the presidency and all who are dare utter an opinion different from yours. Yesterday, Republican Senators blocked a bill to provide job training for vets. Sen. Coburn called the bill "a gimmick." i am just tired of the tea party's refusal to do anything constructive.
Locally Involved
2:28 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
LOL - watched on CSPAN myself - I prefer to make my own commentary :-)
Just like in the 00's when implementation of programs was from the right (the dems only held both branches for 2 years out of 8), the implementation from just one side is always unbalanced. The point that dems (who are not all liberal, so let's use that term, democrats) do not weigh costs and due diligence is not true. There was the $7.1T medicare donut - a policy written by the pharma industry that obviously didn't take into account costs. 2 unfunded wars and tax cuts did not take into account costs and impact on deficit. I think your comment on not giving the GoP much credit in preventing these abuses speaks to that.
As I listened to the GoP convention - and quite frankly the rhetoric over the past 5 years using words like 'communist', 'socialist', 'marxist' in describing this president, that narrative has done more to define today's GoP more than anything. Very few reasoned GoP voices have spoken out against giving the GoP the image it has today. The whole birther thing is ridiculous (as it assumes that the entire military and intelligence complex of the US was duped. I've got a bit more faith in these people than I do those making the birther accusations). Code talk about welfare, watching the laws go up in GoP states that disproportiately affects minorities and women's rights - these are actions, not just words. As you said, the GoP bites in its own way.
Active citizenship is our job.
Cheryl Darby
2:33 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
I still find it interesting Mitt Romney will not release his income tax returns. Romney required Ryan to turn over 10 years of his tax returns while considering him as his running mate. Romney is running for the presidency and thinks 2 years of returns (one a partial return) is sufficient?
2:50 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
TO LOCALLY: You could leave this debate, But I will take last words.
I rebutted all 5 of your own questions.
The first on Income taxes. Why would you pass on that?
So you must have agreed with all.
Now , if Bush left $10Trill in Debts to the US. And Obama has that debt up to $16Trill, doesn't that equal 16-10=6Trill.
To suggest all of our money needed for bailouts = $6Tril is absurd.
(Our whole economy took on $6Tril more debt and you say , it all went for Bailouts)
Once past Tarp, You could not even get $1 tril more in bailouts.
If so, then correct me on Who got the $6Tril in Bailouts.
Maybe all of America should know if some secret Union Buddies were given under the table bailouts.
You see, you really do not know who I am , do you.
Yet, the favorite exit satement of a fixed-liberal "freeloader" is
To call others names and disparaging comments.
Locally Involved
6:42 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Thanks, Mike! I enjoy exchanging views with people such as yourself, too - which can be challenging at times in an online forum.
Thankfully, the blue dogs are still with the dems, I regret the loss of moderate GOP. Because conservative base is about 10 points larger than progressives, the dems have always needed to be closer to the center to win an election than the GOP. whenever either party strays too far from the center, they lose. Which is what we're seeing now.ck out the stuff on real clear politics.com. Cool site.
I think fear blinded us in the 00's, unfortunately many wanted too believe any reason to go to war and the admin wanted the war and needed us to believe. Same ploy used that got us all in vietnam.
Barbara Glakas
11:12 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Locally – About your last sentiment, I agree. Think the Gulf of Tonkin Affair. You'd think we'd learn from the lessons of history, but we always seem to repeat our mistakes. Learning from our historical mistakes not only applies to issues of war, but also applies issues of economics.
Kathy Keith
8:32 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Just curious....do you think that the administration is doing Tonkin in reverse over the death of our Ambassador in Libya? Four great Americans were killed and for over a week the administration blamed an obscure video. It was clear from the beginning (or at worst the second day) that this was a terrorist attack--and, probably Al Queda. Do you think-just maybe-that, after a week of bragging about killing Bin Laden, that our administration does not want us to know this?
Locally Involved
11:24 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Thanks, Barbara! Tonkin was just out of the old hawk playbook - you know those in power knew what they were doing - they were there at the time of Tonkin. We live in an ADD society where people have become lazy in their thinking. We're back to rote teaching in our schools v teaching critical thinking skills. In business, this has become a terrible handicap having staff that just wants to "do" the job, and not think. We all pay the price when we choose to not do the heavy lifting of actual thinking.
I read blogs, I'm interested in other opinions for I learn to understand. But I do not suppose another's facts to be true, sadly not for so many others who look only for voices to reinforce their own opinions. There are actual historical facts, historical and economic. Those that think we can fix the Great Recession in less than 4 years are lacking in an education which does not need to be through formal institutions. This recession will take a good ten years. I'm not happy about it, I wasn't happy about it when it started back in 2000 when debt to HH income was $1.42 and policies were put in place further loosening credit regs when the public already could not afford it.
If our gov't then was truly interested in protecting us, this should have been a priority. Instead, an admin official serving 2003-2005 told me they didn't want a recession and 2 wars, so they punted. Punted. For that alone I think they should have been prosecuted for incompetence. Still furious.
Cheryl Darby
3:37 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Very disturbing story about lynching of chair with "Nobama" sign in Bull Run Park. This election campaign has revealed a level of racism in this country far worse than I thought was there. To think there are folks living right here in Virginia who think lynching our president is the answer?! My God!
Beth Lawton
3:52 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Here's a link to the story Cheryl references above if anyone's interested in learning more about the situation: http://patch.com/A-xWt0
Locally Involved
5:03 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Not surprised. It's Manassas. Folk I know who live there (all the people I know, but that doesn't mean all folk in Manassas) are of the same frame of mind.
Mary Ann Barton
5:15 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
It was actually in Centreville: http://patch.com/A-xWt0
5:07 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Heard reports of a burning effigy and American flag also... wait, oh, that was a story from the middle east..., never mind.
Cheryl Darby
5:17 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I don't understand the point you're trying to make,
Locally Involved
5:24 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Obviously RK believes burning the American flag and lynching a symbol of the first black American president is ok. Of course, one is protected by free speech, while hate speech and acts ARE NOT protected under free speech.
RK lacks a basic knowledge that there is limit to freedoms. Hmm, perhaps a terrorist sympathizer?
Kathy Keith
8:41 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
While I do not think Obama has done a good job, I agree that hanging the chair is sick, in poor taste, and disgusting. However, I think that RK's comment was intended to emphasize that what is going on in the Middle East is much more concerning and serious. I don't think that hanging a chair is a threat. It is a very, very sick-and inappropriate- "joke". You are probably not aware that there were also many inappropriate acts against our previous President, too.
The burning of the flags in the Middle East and the burning effigies of Obama are, I think, much more serious. Have you been watching any of these videos? The Middle East is exploding around us and the news media is talking about 47%.
Cheryl Darby
5:58 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Mike, I don't think hanging anyone in effigy is the least bit funny. I know a family whose son was lynched in Mississippi in the '50s. So, no I don't find it amusing.
6:04 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Really locally, your comment is laughable. You truly are becoming the poster boy for smug and boorish. Are you compensating? Obviously I need to explain for you.. My point is one nut case who hangs an empty chair from his tree should be given neither the attention nor the legitimacy of being an example of " a level of racism in this country far worse than I thought was there". Anymore than you or fellow posters calling tea party members "teabaggers" be an example of "a disturbing level homophobia in this country". Racism should not be used as a political calling card to "get out the vote".
10:43 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
The Media have been suppressing the TRUTH for 4 years.
The middle east is attacking the USA right before your eyes--BLINDED by THE MEDIA not showing you the Truth.
If most people who do not see any cable news You are not shown the "Truth" by local stations, Obama would lose in a landslide if you were given all the facts.
I believe most of you are repeating what you see on local TV. But the Truth is on cable for you to see. No commentary needed.
OBAMA has major failures on Foreign Policies. The middle east Hates the USA and they are out to KILL every American.
That is the Truth. That is why they attacked our embassey and KILLED 4 Americans and hung their own Flag on USA embassy.
Don't any of you CARE? Can't you see YOUR LIFE IS IN DANGER?
WOMAN-!! SHARIA LAW could become reality because Obama has done nothing to stop it. I only hope Romney has the time at the 1st debate to tell all of America the Truth, without media bias.
Locally Involved
11:17 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
@Paul Revere - take your meds, please. Your tin foil hat is waiting and ready for you.
Cathryn S
10:47 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
PaulRevere trolls about on several Patch sites in the mid-west. With any luck PR is not local.
Locally Involved
10:59 am on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
PR can't be local-there is still aluminum foil at the store ;-)
Cheryl Darby
1:41 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Just got back from a routine errand here in Fredericjsburg, We have an Obama/ Biden bumper sticker on our car. As we got out if the car, an older gentleman said, "That GD Obama has never done anything for veterans, All he's done is get more soldiers killed." I said I disagreed. I cited a jobs bill for veterans that was blocked from
passing the Senate by Republicans. He said, "That's a GD lie. Demicrats control the Senate." He then went on a rant. When I got back to the car, he continued by saying he didn't care about the jobs bill anyway, The GI bill was good enough for him and should be good enough for returning vets. I don't think I should be screamed at in a parking lot and folliwed into a store because I choose to display a bumper sticker. Obviously, I need to brace myself for more if the same, if not worse.
Barbara Glakas
6:01 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Thankfully, most people are not like that. And the gentleman did not seem to be very well informed if he didn't know about how Republicans recently blocked the veteran's jobs bill. And I would say his perception that, "Obama has never done anything for veterans. All he's done is get more soldiers killed," is a little skewed too.
Of course, Obama never got us into a war to begin with, in the wrong country (Iraq) no less, with very little support from our allies, with no real plan for how we were going to pay for it or exit the situation. Thousands of lives were lost well before Obama came on the scene.
Obama has spent much of his energy trying to get us out of war, which has been costly in lives and dollars. He got us out of Iraq. He got Osama Bin Laden. He is in the process of getting us out of Afghanistan.
Barbara Glakas
6:02 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
.... Continued...
On top of that, Obama has significantly increased funding for the department of Veteran's affairs since he has been in office. He signed the Post-9/11 GI Bill and the Veterans Educational Improvements Act into law, which helped of things like capping tuition costs, paying for books and school housing fees, etc., for vets.
He also signed the Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act into law, which help provide support for the caregivers of seriously injured veterans, helps improve services for women veterans, and helps expand services to preventing veterans from becoming homeless.
He also instituted the Returning Heroes Tax Credit, which provides an incentive for businesses to hire unemployed veterans. And there is the Wounded Warrior Tax Credit will doubles the existing tax credit for long-term unemployed veterans with service-related disabilities.
He's done a ton for vets, but the best thing he can do for our soldiers, in my estimation, is to bring them home.
Kathy Keith
7:09 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
As far as the war in Afghanistan, I do not think we should be there.
However, Obama did sign on for the surge. In my opinion, if he was going to do that, he should have been "all in". Once he set the timetable, our soldiers were in a fruitless effort. The locals just knew they could outwait us. Any professional military person could tell you that this was not the way to operate a war. Obama did not and does not understand this. He may be smart but not smart enough to understand that he "doesn't know what he doesn't know". The rules of engagement have been detrimental to our soldiers--witness the current problem with "green on blue". Our "allies" are killing our soldiers. How can you "nation build" under these circumstances?
As far as the Veterans' tax credit, while it may be well intended, it puts a lot of rules and regulations on small businesses that are limiting to the economy.
And, did you know that the federal government is apparently the worst offender on job protection for Reserve and National Guard? There was an article in WAPO today about this. Kind of ironic. Talk to our president about this. That is a protection that has been in effect for many,many years.
Barbara Glakas
9:00 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
You don't think we should be there? Exactly. That's way Obama is getting us out.
Obama signed for a surge? Exactly, and so did Bush, in Iraq, the country we should not have been in to begin with. Obama's surge culminated in us getting Osama Bin Laden and now we're drawing down, just like Obama said he would.
"Doesn't know what he doesn't know?" That sound like a quote from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, a guy who helped get us into this mess in the first place, and who never really seemed to care about the troops.
War is no doubt a mess. Who goes to war not expecting our troops to get killed and for the enemy and/or radical "allies" to attack us? All the more reason to get out of there.
And as far as the Veteran's tax credit bill "putting a lot of rules and regulations on small businesses," well, for one thing, it is a voluntary tax incentive and, secondly, this bill will help both employers and vets. It will provide tax credits of up to $2,400 for employers who hire vets who have been unemployed at least 4 weeks, up to $5,600 for hiring vets who have been unemployed longer than 6 months, and up to $9,600 for hiring vets who have service-related disabilities and have been unemployed longer than 6 months. If business owners have to fill out an extra tax form to do this, so be it. I'd vote for helping the vets any day.
Kathy Keith
9:25 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
I agree that Obama did not put us in Afghanistan to start with. The surge in Afghanistan, however, is far different from the surge in Iraq. Iraq is a country with a semblance of a government. Should we have been there? Probably not. Should we be nation building in Afghanistan? Definitely not.
My main problem with Obama and Afghanistan was his setting of a PUBLIC timetable. This is just not appropriate in a military operation and has given the Taliban great motivation--and, possibly, Al Queda. Setting the timetable was a foolish and very stupid thing for Obama to do. It showed how naive he is about military matters.
He was also incredibly naive in publicizing the details of Bin Laden's death. He did make the right call, but he should never have given so much information so soon. We probably lost valuable intelligence as a result of this--and a Pakistani doctor who helped us is now in trouble.
You make a good argument on the tax credit issue. I had not thought of it as being a voluntary incentive. I am always for helping and supporting our military members. As I have said before on this board, I have a personal interest in these issues. That is why I am so sensitive to the mistakes that Obama has made in Afghanistan. It is also why I am so concerned about the issues in the Middle East.
Barbara Glakas
11:37 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
I understand your point about the public timetable, and I have concerns about Al Qaeda and the Taliban as well.
Withdrawing from war situations is very difficult, especially when unrest continues. Our withdrawal from Afghanistan is much like our withdrawal from Iraq when President Bush signed a Status of Forces Agreement and announced that "all U.S. forces will withdraw no later than December 31, 2011."
President Obama announced in 2009 that we would "begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground."
I don't know under what circumstances "conditions on the ground" would be great. The terrorist factions will know we are leaving whether we slink out unannounced or not. There are no great answers. It's a mess over there.
Barbara Glakas
6:04 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
PS: Sorry I misspelled your name above, Cheryl.
7:14 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Barbara we the people are happy obama is your hero and we hope he still is when they are done picking up the tens of thousands of bodies that are being and are going to be created with his very weak and bad way of doing things.Iran,syria,and all the other crap going on is pretty scary to be called a bump in the road as he stated.To me one life lost is a bit more then a bump in the road.This guy gotta go!
Barbara Glakas
9:12 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Romney has always supported Obama's plan for withdrawing drawing troops from Afghanistan by 2014. Other than that, what is Romney's plan?
Cheryl Darby
7:31 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
You guys are really desperate. If Romney has specific plans, now is the time to speak up. Instead all he and you seen to do is react to every word Obama says. It's not working.
Cheryl Darby
7:36 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Kathy, I realize in your view we Democrats are stupid abd havevbever contributed anything to this country. Republicans have done everything right -- never made one mistake. Just curious, are you saying the two-party system is dead? Since Repubs are so omnipotent, maybe we should just declare Romney king, then his sons can rule, then their sons, etc.
Kathy Keith
8:09 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Go back and read what I wrote. I said I did not think we should be in Afghanistan. I'm pretty sure we would all agree that we were there before Obama. It is clear that you cannot accept any criticism at all of the current President.
I do not understand where you are coming from on the rest of your comment.
Did you read Bob Woodward's book, "The Price of Politics"? I suggest you do so.
I'm pretty sure that my views on Afghanistan are based on facts. Did you follow the decisions that were made for the surge? Do you follow anything on policy other than your class warfare views?
Cheryl Darby
9:03 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Kathy, I'm just tired. Do you get your info from anyplace other than Fox News? Do you read the Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal? I do. I don't cobsider myself stupid. If you don't think there isn't class warfare going on, you are not paying attention. Racism is even worse than I thought and I looked it in the face today, the lovely gentleman who ranted at me today said, " I'll never vote for a n.... No matter who he is." He then proceeded to say Obama and all of us who support him can leave the country now on our own tetms or be driven out when Romney takes
over. Well, Kathy, that's the America you're voting for. I guess the rest of us will be gone.
Kathy Keith
9:25 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Do you read the posts on here?
First, I cited the article from today's WAPO in the post above. If you had read my post, you would know that.
Second, I cited Bob Woodward's book---The Price of Politics. He is hardly a conservative. If you don't remember, he is the reporter who broke the Watergate scandal.
Third, I read Washington Post from cover to cover every day. I watch MSNBC, CNN, and Fox. I watch CBS Evening News and NBC NIghtly News. (I do not watch MSNBC in the evening.) I am retired and I did watch CSpan convention coverage for BOTH conventions.
I have personal reasons for being seriously interested in military issues. I watched President Obama's speech when he decided on the surge. He gave the speech at West Point. Did you watch it? Were you interested?
I am sorry you looked racism in the face today. There is not any excuse for racist behavior. But, it works both ways. I know a very kind young man who was accused of racism because he was voting for Senator McCain. It was especially disturbing to him as he had never chosen his friends based on color. That is also racist. There are many reasons that people choose not to vote for Obama. There may be those who choose not to because of his color, but I do not think that is most of the Romney voters. I think there are also Obama voters who vote for him because he is black--when they really do not agree with his policies. That is just as racist as the other way.
Cheryl Darby
10:08 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Kathy, I did see Obama's speech at West Point. To imply I am nit interested is insulting. As Locally commented to you earlier, it must be nice to be you and so sure you are so right about everything. There will be Mormons who will vote for Romney because he's Mormon, even if they don't agree with his policies.. That's not racist, any more than a black person voting for Obama because he is black is racist. A racist is the man who got in my face today, using the n word, and telling me this is not my country anymore. I know from comments on this thread and others, there are a lot of hateful people who have tried to co-opt God and patriotism while, at the same time, they are spinning the myth that Democrats are responsible for everything bad since the beginning of time. I love this country and, as Deval Patrick so eloquently said, it's time for Democrats to stand up for what we believe in and stop being intimidated by that lovely man I saw today.
11:10 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Not sure why Kathy K. is being attacked for reasonable and civil comments on this blog thread.. Especially when it is obvious that her detractors have not even read her comments clearly. Maybe this should just be a running Obama campaign commerical for Cheryl and Barbara to host...
Kathy Keith
9:12 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Thank you, RK. I should not have responded with emotion to Cheryl's comment. I do usually try to stick to facts and information. Even though I disagree with Barbara, she does not jump into the emotional side of the issues and I appreciate that.
I still think it is wrong to vote for someone based on the color of his/her skin--Republican or Democrat. If African Americans are voting for Obama because of his race--and not because they support his policies, we are a long way from overcoming racism. As I said before, I know a wonderful young man who was accused of racism because he supported McCain. That is wrong--as was the man who verbally attacked Cheryl.
I did not vote for Obama, but I was pleased that our country had come such a long way that we could elect a man without considering the color of his skin. I did think it very sad that in the last campaign that the Obama campaign accused Bill Clinton of being racist and the lovely Geraldine Ferraro, as well. Bill Clinton seems to have forgiven them. Sadly, Geraldine Ferraro is gone.
Locally Involved
12:25 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
To cheryl's comment above, as I was leaving the west falls metro this evening, I walked past a car with a bumper sticker that said Obama 2012 and I'm a Morman!
Cheryl Darby
5:55 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Interesting tidbit. Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudia Arabia owns 7% of News Corp, (Fox News).
7:29 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Sooo, he owns apx 7% of News Corp stock, what should we make of that? He also owns apx 15% of Citibank stock, the Savoy Hotel, 10% of Euro Disney, investments in Twitter, Apple, AOL, and his holding company owns the Fairmont Hotel chain. He's often referred to as the Warren Buffett of the middle east. I guess if you put "(Fox News)" in the note that makes it sinister some how..
Cheryl Darby
7:44 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
No more sinister than how you view Obama!
Deborah Kelly
8:14 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Just google Howard Stern interviews Obama supporters in Harlem - I believe the date was Sept. 24th but it's still there and a riot! One guy actually thought Obama was a Morman and most didn't know that bin Laden was dead and many thought Obama was pro-life and against Gays and that McCain and Palin were running against him this year. Face it Obama isn't a Morman he's a moron and has done everything possibile to ruin our country and when asked what his greatest failure was instead of saying JOBS he said IMMIGRATION REFORM. Enough said!
Cheryl Darby
11:17 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
If it makes you feel superior to resort to name calling, you have my sympathies,
Deborah Kelly
10:14 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
If it offends you then for that I'm sorry however, it was the nicest name I could use here to describe how I really feel about what Obama has done to our country in just 4 short years. Now this offends me, and even more so those people who act blind to all that has gone down around them and is continuing to go down in our country offends me even more! We are no where near even on who's been offended more.
Joe Brenchick
10:57 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
"If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain." Winston Churchill ...
Locally Involved
11:06 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Today's conservatism has no resemblance to the conservatism of Churchill's day. Not even close. Churchill would be rolling over in his grave with the religiosity that has overtaken what is today called conservatism.
Locally Involved
11:02 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@Deborah: Does it offend you what Bush 43 did to this country in 8 yrs? 2 unfunded wars, an unfunded donut hole in medicare (adding $7.1 Trillion in debt over 10 years) written by big pharma, deceiving about WMD (pulling the old Vietnam war excuse again), further de-reg of credit req'ts while restricting the consumer's ability to declare bankruptcy (2005) in the face that they knew that HH debt was already at 142% of discretionary income in 2001 - exacerbating the national debt by lowering tax rates (limit revenue, increase deficit, the whole trickle down theory debunked in the 80's when Reagan raised taxes 8 times and the debt ceiling over a dozen times).
I am personally offended by ignorance. Ignorance of finance and economics. It took 8 years to get into the worst recession (aka, that's why EVERY economist calls it the Great Recession as it will go down in history) since 1929. By Jan 2008 America had already lost 23% of all manufacturing jobs (americanmanufacturing.org). Job losses started Feb 2006. Production in Detroit was at a steady decline starting 2001.
It took us 15+ years to get out of the Great Depression and only then because we bailed out Europe after WWII which allowed us to boost manufacturing here at home, supporting Vets with low cost home loans and educational opportunities.
It's going to be until at least 2017 until this debt is weeded through - not 4 years. If you thought 4 years, I am highly offended at that ignorance.
Joe Brenchick
12:43 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan
Cheryl Darby
1:26 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Mr. Brenchick, Reagan was entitled to his opinion. He said in a more subtle way. what Romney said about the 47%. We are all ignorant about Romney's income taxes and foreign investments. We do know he has stashed money in offshore bank accounts to avoid taxes. Pretty hypocritical of him to criticize anyone when it comes to taxes.
Locally Involved
1:41 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@ joe B. - again, today's conservatism isn't anything Mr. Reagan would recognize! Remember, he raised taxes 8 times and the debt ceiling something like 17 times PLUS he was pro choice.
Today's conservatives are laughable when they quote Reagan, given Reagan wouldn't have even made it through the primaries. If you were real conservatives of the days gone past, you'd have voted Huntsman - and had a dang good chance of winning the presidency.
Joe Brenchick
1:47 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Miss Darby, There is nothing wrong or illegal about what Mr Romney did regarding his personal finances. Most of the criticism seems to revolve around jealousy. However, his published tax returns do show where he gave much more –in both dollar amount and income percentage – to charity than Obama and Biden combined! This shows that he's generous with his money and Obama is only generous with taxpayer money.
janet otersen
11:43 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Can someone please point out where in The Constitution, Artcle II, Executive Powers, job creation is mentioned? Anywhere? Nope.
Can we please stop this ridiculous discussion where either Obama or Romney have any influence whatsoever on job creation.
Romney keeps making promises but refuses to offer specifics. It is laughable. He's going to create 12 million jobs his ad says....seriously??? how??? Then he says he is going to cut the $16 trillion deficit without raising taxes??? Now that's a good one.
You guys need to stop allowing these politicians to lie to you and hold them accountable for their empty promises.
Kathy Keith
12:16 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
The issue, Ms Otersen, is that President Obama is literally promising to create jobs by spending your money to create larger government and more government workers. He also wants to tax more job creators which will limit private economic growth. Governor Romney is promising to create jobs by limiting government regulations why prevent job creation in the private sector and lowering taxes on small businesses to make it easier and more attractive to businesses to hire more people.
Our Constitution is much more about limiting government than creating government. In my opinion, Romney's approach is much more Constitution friendly. Just look at the executive orders that Obama has used to expand government. Are these orders really Constitutional?
Locally Involved
1:54 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@Kathy: Pls cite sources of where Obama is literally promising to create more gov't workers. Labor Department statistics say that government employment has decreased by 608,000 since February 2009. Nevertheless, Fox News and Politico both uncritically reported Mitt Romney's false claim that "[w]e have 145,000 more government workers under this president." (and Fox does not cite where they get those numbers, I'm assuming a bodily orifice).
De-reg of what will increase jobs? Oil and gas? We're drilling more today than we have in 8 years under Bush (more rigs in the Gulf, etc). Limiting air pollution? Toxic waste dumping? Scrubbers? Oh, yeah, let's do the whole de-reg credit and banking again, 'cause I agree, we can create another credit bubble and create finance and mfg jobs - on second thought, been there done that. No thanks.
Lower taxes creates jobs? 98% of all small business reports less than $250k in profits (which is taxed, not revenue). We had the lowest tax rates ever in the first decade and that did not create jobs - the de-reg of banking did with a credit bubble. We've finally worked our way through that excess: There's pretty graphs, no reading required, just a comprehension of how to read a graph.
Locally Involved
1:57 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
And, finally @Kathy:
Employment on large payrolls—those with 500 or more workers—increased 16,000 and employment on medium payrolls—those with 50 to 499 workers—rose 86,000 in August. Employment on small payrolls—those with up to 49 workers—rose 99,000 that same period. Of the 86,000 jobs created on medium-sized payrolls, 12,000 jobs were created by the goodsproducing sector and 74,000 jobs were created by the service-providing sector.
Construction employment rose for the third consecutive month, adding 10,000 jobs, marking the best reading since March. The financial services sector added 8,000 jobs from July to August, marking the thirteenth consecutive monthly gain.
These figures are from ADP, the country's largest payroll processor, so please don't scream liberal bias. It just continues to show your denial. Need I even remind you that the stock market has grown more in the past 4 years than ever under Bush - if I do, then you obviously don't watch any business news or know what the market is.
Sorry to bust into your fantasy lands with reality. Not just facts, but truth.
janet otersen
12:30 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Nice economic theories, Kathy, but "trickle down economics" where we continue to cut tax rates for the wealthy and then jobs are magically created hasn't really worked out. How many jobs would Romney personally create if we cut his tax rate from 17% to say 12%? Maybe he would hire an additional gardener or maid?? Just the kind of job creation we need in this country.
Job creation is based on glabalization sweetie- not your tax bracket. Check out the wages in China and Pakistan vs what we pay here for the answers. Are all those manufacturing jobs coming back here? Don't hold your breath. We love our $5 tshirts from Walmart, don't we?
LOVE how Republicans want to shrink government....until it hits them in their pocketbook. Look no further than our VA Republicans frantically trying to prevent the sequestration from kicking in. Guess they didn't really think it thru when they walked away from the budget negotiations last year. They forgot that VA is one of the largest state beneficiaries of this BIG, BURDENSOME gvernment that you loathe.
Smaller government equals fewer jobs by the way. Love to hear how the private sector is going to make up for the shrinking government. Do share your plans with us.
The $16 trillion that we racked up should be paid by those who were given a lower tax rate-- not by my kids and grandchildren. If you guys want to fight unwinnable wars then you better figure out a way to pay for them.
Kathy Keith
2:10 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Okay Ms. Otersen.
First, I would like to paraphrase something that Mrs. Thatcher said, "What are you going to do when you run out of other people's money?" If you think government jobs are going to put food on the table and pay for electricity, gas, etc,etc, and your smart phone and big screen tv, you are sadly mistaken. The old Soviet Union comes to mind. Did you ever visit the old Eastern bloc of Europe? Big difference between them.
And, by the way, my name is not "sweetie".
Kathy Keith
2:30 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Suggest you read Woodward's "The Price of Politics" and see that the Republicans had LOTS of help from the White House in screwing up the budget process. As far as sequestration--I 'm pretty sure that great idea came from the White House. All are guilty--Republicans and Democrats.
And, remember, the great "Jobs Bill" that Obama keeps touting was not even passed by his Democrat Senate--not one vote in favor of it. And, Harry Reid has not even allowed a budget to be brought to the floor--much less go to conference. He has allowed nothing to go to conference--and that is where legislation gets passed.
janet otersen
2:41 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
How ironic to quote a European about socialism given the utter shambles their economies are in right now. Spainairds with 25% unemployment and their people eating out of trash dumpsters.
I am a fiscal conservative by nature and have never defended a large government. We want it all, though don't we? Short lines at the DMV, excellent schools, our social security checks on time and care for grandma in the nursing home at $7000 a month---we just don't want higher taxes. The goals cannot co-exist and now we are in quite a pickle making difficult decisions.
Our government has failed us plain and simple in so many ways and we allowed them to destroy our country to the point that we are nearly insolvent. And yet, we elect the same people year after year with the same political ideas.
I suppose when we are rummaging for food in garbage cans and our fat govt pensions have been slashed 60%, like in Europe, we will strart to pay attention to the disaster that has been unfolding for years.
Cheryl Darby
1:16 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Kathy, a lot of women in Virginia are wondering -- if the Constitution is about limiting government, why do Republicans want the government so involved in our personal lives?
Kathy Keith
2:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Cheryl, I am a pro-choice Republican. However, I think the Dems have gone overboard in the other direction. I do not think that I should have to pay for abortions or free birth control. My personal opinion is that "abortion should be legal and rare"--I think it was Clinton that said that.
I do not think abortion is a good thing-but I do think it should be legal. I do not agree with what the legislature tied to do.
But, frankly, jobs and security are my interest and focus.
Locally Involved
1:39 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Seriously, Cheryl - if I wanted gov't in my vagina, I'd date a senator!
If someone wants to argue small gov't, no prob - but remember, that includes personal decisions regarding health and marriage! If you exclude those topics and feel it's okay to regulate marriage and women's medical decisions, you cannot argue small gov't.
2:03 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Netanyauh addressing the UN now... See a man who is not afraid or blind or ignorant to the world as it is, not how he wishes or "dreams" it was, like Obama...
Cheryl Darby
3:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Rk, Romney and the neocons are ready to bomb Iran, along with Netanyahu, his good friend. Tea Partiers, I realize, do not believe in negotiating with anybody. That's a dangerous mindset to have in foreign policy.
2:07 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Netanyhu does not see rioting, torture, murder, burning of flags in 13 countries across 3 continents as "bumps in the road".
Cheryl Darby
3:06 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
There is no jealousy involved here when it comes to Romney's money. As to charitable contributions, $2 million went to his church, another million to his own charity, and it's not clear where the other million went. If Romney would release his returns, then we'd all know. I jut gelieve strongly someone who runs for the
presidency sould reinvest his money in this country, not put it inmoffshore accounts to avoid taxes. I dudn't say it's illegal, just hypocritical. If he wants to talk about the 47% who don't pay federal income taxes, he needs to be included in that number.
Locally Involved
4:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
To add to Cheryl's comment above, Mitt's taxes DID NOT deduct his charitable givings which would have reduced his effective tax rate to 9%. Wouldn't that be lovely for those of us on this board if that's what we paid.
Now, before our 'conservative' friends - a term used loosely given they do not resemble the conservative party of yesteryear - pls do not focus on the absolute tax dollars paid that is an invalid comparison. The bottom line is effective tax RATE. If y'all wanna go down that flat tax rate, then using the 'conservative logic' of absolute dollars, we should then probably all pay $20k a year irrelevant of income. If that were to be real, there'd be quite the uproar on fairness.
Remember, Mitt did say about a month ago that after reviewing the past 10 years of his returns he paid around 13.9% in taxes, and if you counted his charitable givings, it would have been more. I still would like to know if he considers paying taxes a charity or charitable givings a tax! But what really stands out is that as a financier he would ADD charitable giving v DEDUCT as we all know we do on our taxes~
He's a flim flam man. Mutliple Choice Mitt. His latest tax returns are smoke and mirrors. How the heck does one pay for 4 full time house help employees at only $20k a year?
Transparency again, seriously lacking. He may be legally doing what is required, but that's a pretty low bar. Shame on those of you who find the bare minimum acceptable.
Barbara Glakas
5:24 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I have to agree with Locally Involved. The Romneys purposefully "adjusted" their charitable contributions in order to have their tax rate appear higher. They can amend their tax returns at any point over the next three years to take advantage of the potential deductions.
This was confirmed by Romney's trustee, R. Bradford Malt, who said Romney could have paid less in taxes, but he engineered his 2011 returns to overpay the government to ensure that his effective tax rate would "conform" with his statement last month that he had paid at least 13 percent.
His own campaign even acknowledged that the Romneys limited their deductions of charitable contributions, saying, "He was in the unique position of having made a commitment to the public that his tax rate would be above 13%. In order to be consistent with that statement, the Romneys limited their deduction of charitable contributions."
I don't begrudge the guy for being rich, but it is obvious that he is being evasive and has been "working the system" in order to pay less taxes while trying to appear to the public that he is paying more taxes. And you can't beat the irony in all this when he does these kinds of things while simultaneously telling us that the "47%," who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, and housing, should take personal responsibility for themselves.
Kathy Keith
6:01 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Romney pays income tax on all his money-even if it is invested elsewhere. I think you will find that in this day of global economies that lots of companies are worldwide.
His taxes for the last two years have been released.
Yes, his accountant adjusted his charitable deductions--is that really so bad? He gave more than he owed. And, yes he did it because he had made a public promise. If he hadn't done it, you'd be griping that he hadn't done it.
Remember, that he is paying capital gains--corporate taxes have already been paid on the money he gets in income and then it is taxed again on personal income--essentially that money is being taxed twice. That is why the capital gains tax is lower--as it is on ANYONE"S capital gains. He just happens to be an exorbitantly wealthy man. Is that really a bad thing? He earned it legally.
He has ALWAYS given a lot of money away. (Check out the Obama's taxes when they were only making between $250,000 to 300,000-they gave away VERY little.)
Cheryl Darby
3:36 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Kathy, you may have no concern about women's rights being trampled on in Virginia. Yoy do know our attorney general circumvented the legislature and intimidated members of the Board of Health to virtually shut down clinics performing abortions. Our AG also thinks global warming does not exist and spent taxpayer money suing UVA to gain access to studies on the issue. Talk about going to far!
Barbara Glakas
5:39 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
And George Allen in in that same anti-reproductive rights camp that our AG (Ken Cuccinelli) is in.
He supports "personhood" legislation. As Governor he issued an order that changed the state employee health benefits plan to prohibit coverage of elective abortions. Allen has a 100% rating from the National Right to Life Committee.
In 2005 he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill proving that women seeking an abortion at 20 weeks or more after conception would be given information that the child in the womb could feel severe and extreme pain during the procedure.
He voted to prohibit any federal funding from going to organizations that operate clinics such as Planned Parenthood. He also opposed the use or importation of certain drugs such as RU-486 and worked to reverse the advancement of embryonic stem cell research.
You get the idea. Allen and Cuccinelli want to take us back to the pre-Roe v. Wade years.
Cheryl Darby
6:16 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Kathy, please read The Nation article at http://www.thenation.com/blog/170105/romneys-ungenerous-donations# regarding their charitable donations. Romney altered his 2011 return to match his claim he always paid at least 13%.
Locally Involved
7:28 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
More info for Kathy: 2011 tax returns for the Obamas and Bidens show the Obamas made $789,674 in 2011, gave away 22% to charity and paid an effective federal income tax rate of 20.5%. The Bidens made $379,035, gave 1.4% to charity and paid 23% in federal income taxes.
The Obamas paid a higher percentage of their income in federal taxes, since less of the income came from investments, which are taxed at a lower rate.
And, Kathy - seriously? You think because Romney paid corporate taxes that he paid taxes 2x on the same money? HUH? Corporations are separate entities, er, excuse me, "people". Mitt didn't get taxes twice. Good Lord, I hope you have an accountant doing your taxes. AND, (I am really laughing here, wish you could hear) - his money isn't invested in some other country being taxed, it's in TAX SHELTERS NOT PAYING TAXES TO ANYONE! I have foreign investments, and trust me, I pay taxes HERE not in that country.
Oh, Kathy, your lack of financial knowledge is staggering. Just ssshhhh, you're not doing anyone any favors reaching for straws on this subject.
One must wonder, if Mitt wasn't "encouraged" by the Mormon Church to tithe 10% of his income TO the Church, would his charitable contributions be 10% less of his income?
Kathy Keith
9:28 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Oh Locally,
I admit to not being a financial wizard. I did not say that Romney was paying 2x taxes. However, I do know that corporations are taxed at something like 35%. So, the corporation is paying 35% on its profits. Therefore, the profit is already being paid to the government at the tune of 35%. Then, if you sell your stock which has doubled and is worth $2000, you may capital gains tax on $1000---but your profit would have been greater if the corporation was not paying 35% on its profits.,
Therefore, your profits are being tax twiced. Once at the corporate level and once on the personal income level. Is this really that hard?
I'm pretty sure that Romney has contributed to charities beyond the Mormon church-but I really don't care.
Cheryl Darby
9:46 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Kathy, read The Nation article and you'll see exactly where Romney's charitable donations went.
Locally Involved
10:08 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Kathy - run through that again. I own stock. I own a business. My business is taxed separate from any capital gains I make on any stock in a company. Capital gains are NEW money not yet taxed. Capital gains are the result of the incremental value the market places on perceived value of a company. It is the new money that is taxed, nothing is taxed twice.
Individuals pay capital gains tax on stock if stock rises due to the market - not whether or not the company is profitable. Company profit is one variable that plays into stock price. Stock price is determined by the market - not the company. The company may ASK for a given price, but the market determines the price. The company doesn't pay the difference between the initial value and your sell value, the trading markets do. Company profits do not pay the investor the difference. The incremental gain on a company's stock value is in ADDITION to it's initial value, therefore it is new money and has not yet been taxed. Your logic is tortuous.
And, pls name one corporation that is actually paying 35%. Tax bracket and effective tax rate are two totally different things (like manufacturers retail price and the actual retail price you pay),
Kathy Keith
7:22 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
Gee, locally. Don't you think the stock goes up because of the profits? It is not just perception. Do you really buy stocks in unsuccessful companies? Maybe a few companies have expensive stock without making profits, but I think most prices are based on their successes.
Cheryl Darby
10:40 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Check out http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829. No bailout of GM, but Bain -- you betcha! !
Kathy Keith
7:40 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
"The Truth Matters"
Valerie, please tell us why the White House did not tell us the truth about Libya?
Why did it claim the movie was the reason for the attack?
Why did Susan Rice go on all the Sunday talk shows and tell us it was a spontaneous attack?
Why didn't it tell us for two weeks that Al Queda was involved?
Yes, Valerie, the truth does matter.
8:41 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
I think locally she is full of him or her self.Sort of like someone else we know(obama)!
Locally Involved
8:45 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
Kathy- if company profitability was the sole determinant of stock price, we would have had the stock bubble of 1999. You have no business, finance, economics or anything else in experience to bring to th table. You constantly pivot to off topic subjects whenever you can no longer prove your point. (ie: Obama creating more government jobs fairy tale).
I'd love to have a discussion and learn something, but as I said, you bring nothing, no facts, no data, nada. Only an opinion based on some story you heard but can't prove.
Barbara Glakas
8:53 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
I see you quickly changed the subject away from Romney's taxes.
But regardless, instead of politicians choosing to show a united front, here we go again with SOME of them blaming Obama for the Libyan mob attacks against the embassy. And who just happens to be leading this charge? Mitt Romney and the Chairman of the Republican Party, Reince Priebus. Surprise, surprise.
Kathy Keith
9:09 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
The subject of this article is "The Truth Matters".
Do you not think that the Libyan attack is very significant?
Have you read the details of this attack? It was not a mob attack. It was orchestrated. Al Queda was involved. Almost all the media -and-even the White House is now acknowledging this.
It is also being acknowledged that the White House knew within 24 hours--and yet for 9 days it was denied.
Did you see the CNN reports on this? They reported on Stevens' journal which indicated he was fearful. They reported this a few days ago. While the ethics of the securing of the journal by CNN is questionable, no one is denying its accuracy.
Romney's taxes have been released. There is no arguing that he is an extremely wealthy man. However, he paid his taxes. Yes, they were manipulated and he did not claim all charitable contributions so that he would pay a higher tax rate. What is wrong with that. Your mad because he paid more than he owed. He has come out quite publicly saying that he wants to get rid of loopholes and lower everyone's tax rate. What else is to say?
The truth matters and the White House is lying about LIbya. Why?
janet otersen
9:35 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
The reason Republicans won't win is because they have allowed nutjobs like Rush, Glenn Beck, etc to define them. They have lost all credibility with the "normal" voters. Nuts will always hang out with other nuts, of course.
So now we have a new conspiracy theory about the attack on our Libyan embassy. Let me guess, Obama knew about this impending terrorist attack and did nothing....because........what would be the motive for him to not act??? Anyone?
Does Obama secretly like al Qaeda? Would an attack on our embassy help him win reelection? Seriously? Have you guys lost all your marbles?
Diplomacy requires a careful, measured response--as a LEADER (Mitt, take notes now) you don't go running your mouth about an incident UNTIL YOU HAVE THE FACTS. Get that? UNTIL YOU HAVE THE FACTS.
Libya is a country we are trying to stabilize and strengthen relations with in an area of the world that is quite anti-American. Why should anyone from the US run their mouth about it being a terrorist attack before they know for sure?
Those guys that killed our people are toast--if not already. We take care of our own but we do it in a diplomatic way.
Nice try...surely you guys can do better than this garbage.
Cheryl Darby
9:50 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
Yes, the truth matters. Romney lied abut his taxes and had to manipulate them to match his lie. He has flip-flopped time and again over major issues. This man revealed his true character in that fund-raising tape. He holds half of our citizens in contempt. Bain Capital had to be bailed out on his watch, yet he hypocritically decried bailing out the auto industry. Romney needs to identify loopholes he will close if elected. Don't hold your breath on that one.
Kathy Keith
10:19 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
Romney did not lie. He made the decision to not claim all his charitable deductions in order to support something that he had said earlier. He had said that he paid no lower than 14% and, because of his charitable deductions, his tax rate would have fallen to 13 something %. So, he made a decision to keep his word. Is that what you call a lie?
Janet, The Libyan issue is a very serious one. For almost two weeks the White House blamed the video when it was clear that it was not a mob assault. The video was a red herring. There is video of the assault which shows no mob--only people with rpg's.
I have neither seen nor heard reports of a conspiracy theory to attack the embassy. Where did you hear that one?
CNN did report that Stevens was fearful. That does not indicate a conspiracy theory.
The gaffe here is not Romney's. The White House lied. They could have said simply that they weren't sure, but instead they first said it was a result of the video, then it was an opportunist attack, and, now , finally they are admitting that it was a terrorist attack.
As far as "careful measured responses", what do you think of Obama's announcement of bin Laden's death and the leaks from the White House on that issue? A Pakistani doctor who helped us is in dire straits, as a result of these leaks. No telling how much actionable intelligence was lost as a result of Obama's victory lap.
Cheryl Darby
1:55 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Kathy, did you read the article about the Bain bailout?
Cheryl Darby
12:34 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Kathy, did you read the two articles I cited yesterday?
Kathy Keith
2:16 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
I have read all the articles.
By the way, the "Bain Bailout" did not involve taxpayer money. Big difference. WAPO gave the claim 3 Piinocchoio's when Biden used it to accuse Romney.
Kathy Keith
12:49 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
I read the Nation article and I understand what the writer is saying. However, I have no problem with it.
I am not a Mormon. I know a handful of Mormons and I admire every one of them. I admire their commitment to their church and their service to it. I will also admit that I find the religion a little "different".
I also know that my family gives generously to church. It is the biggest recipient of our charitable donations. The church, in turn, uses the money to support local organizations that feed people and provide emergency assistance. From time to time, the church houses the homeless on cold nights. Of course, some of the money is naturally used to support the church itself. That is important to us.
The church could not exist without donations. I assume the Mormon church is the same.
I just don't see the problem here.
Kathy Keith
1:03 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
For the record, here are some of President Obama's charitable contributions when he was not running for national office:
This information is from Kessler's column in the Washington Post:
2005: $77,315 to charity out of income of $1.66 million (4.6 percent)
2004: $2,500 out of $207,647 (1.2 percent)
2003: $3,400 out of $238,327 (1.4 percent)
2002: $1,050 out of $259,394 (0.4 percent
Locally Involved
1:09 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
LOL, Kathy! Obama wasn't worth hundreds of millions - he and his wife had extremely expensive college education loans to pay off. What % of your income did you contribute to charity?
Uncle Smartypants
1:29 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Oh, for the love of all that's decent, will you please shut this thread down? It's been 335 comments since it's been on topic and it's been clogging the front page comment feed for three weeks. Enough! Or give us an option to block comments from a particular article. I'm overdosing on righteousness and indignation.
2:03 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
:-) @ Uncle Smartypants. I may just add that in the private sector, when a worker fails to do his job, he gets fired! He does not get an extension and asks to carry forward with his plans for another set of years. If fact, if he is allowed to do that, it is destined to fail because the course will NOT change - it is just forward with the same.
Sometimes change is good people - it's not about democrats or republicans, it is about common sense.
Cheryl Darby
2:14 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
So, did you vote for George W. Bush to serve another term?
Cheryl Darby
6:46 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Kathy, my main point here is that the big lie is Romney portraying himsef as the knight who came riding in and saved Bain Capital. His leadership was disastrous and required a bailout.
Cheryl Darby
7:00 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Kathy, I hope you also believe the pinocchio, concerning Romney and his campaign. The 14-year-old audio clip Romney's team dug up of Obama talking about redistribution got 4 pinocchios. I could give you many more, as could you. I know what goes on in political campaigns and so do you, so don't insult my intelligence by portraying Romney as something he isn't.
Locally Involved
1:07 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
I always laugh when I hear about redistribution from the right. Just about every repub state takes in more in gov't assistance than they contribute in taxes - that's redistribution. Giving tax money in the form of billions in subsidies to corporations - that's redistribution. But they don't talk about that.
Sorta like when the right screams 'small gov't'! But has no problem with gov't deciding on women's health decisions by enacting legislation that in effect is monitoring every pregnancy to assure the 'right' outcome is achieved.
Brad L
8:33 pm on Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Locally Involved...laugh all you want but the facts don't lie. I know that's something the libs hate. Facts. As you saw in the first debate, when America understands the facts America learns that Obama and his policies are a miserable failure.
He will go down in history as the worse president in the history of our great country. It's time for a true leader. It's time to move on.