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Ryan Lanza, Wrongly Named As Mass Murderer, Left To Grieve
Hoboken man learns his brother killed 27 people, including their mother.
Ryan Lanza was at his job in Manhattan on Friday when news outlets began to report that he had massacred 20 school children in a sleepy Connecticut town.
The reports said Lanza, a 24-year-old Quinnipiac University graduate, had murdered someone in his Hoboken apartment and then drove to Newtown, Conn., where he used a .223 caliber rifle and two other guns to kill 27 people before turning the gun on himself.
The dead included his mother, Nancy.
Lanza's thoughts quickly went to his developmentally disabled younger brother, Adam, whom he began to fear may have been responsible for the violence at Sandy Hook Elementary School, friends said.
As media reports continued to name Ryan Lanza as the shooter and plastered his face across the world, he took to Facebook and told friends he was not the man responsible for the brutal slaying.
"Oh my god, I think my mother is dead," he wrote, a friend told Patch.
Ryan Lanza and his roommate were being questioned Friday night at Hoboken Police headquarters. Neither have been charged with any crime, Hoboken Police Captain Jim Fitzsimmons said.
"Ryan is in shock," a close friend, Brett Wilshe, told Patch.
Lanza works in the city at a financial company, Ernst & Young, and lives in a five-story brick building on Grand Street known as "The Metropolitan."
Media outlets quickly scrambled to "The Metropolitan," where Hoboken police gathered with FBI agents. Initial reports said that someone was killed at the apartment and that Lanza's girlfriend was missing. As curiosity grew from onlookers and media members, police draped yellow police tape around the perimeter, closing both sides of Grand Street just after 2:30 p.m.
No bodies were found inside the building, Fitzsimmons said.
Lanza was planning to head to Connecticut after hearing about the shooting, friends told Patch.
Those who know the Hobokenite, described as "nice" and committed to his friends, were also shocked by the news.
"At first you're devastated that 30 people were shot to death," friend Katie Colaneri told Patch. "And then you find out it's someone that you know, that you've met, that you've hugged. And you don't know whether to feel angry or sad. You find out your friend is alive but caught up in this mess. It's incredible."
"He's not a guy capable of shooting up a school," another friend of Ryan's told Patch Friday afternoon.
Patch Local Editor Paul Milo contributed to this story.
Sean Gallagher
6:26 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Remember a time when reporters actually verified sources, and double checked information before spouting crap, and misinformation.
Sally G
6:32 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Yes, absolutely irresponsible, the first outlet to report it should be held accountable; the followers also, to an extent—though at least they had one source that they might have thought was reliable. Guess nobody will make that mistake again.
6:50 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
The good old days...that was real journalism. I miss it.
6:54 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
The shooter was carrying his brother's id. Law enforcement relayed the information to the press. It has since been corrected. There's no going back to a mythical era when reporters got everything perfectly right.
Bobby Cherry
6:56 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Reporters reported on what POLICE said was correct information. Don't blame the media, folks!
I have spoken
7:42 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
absolutely irresponsible for the press to run out and name the wrong man. My sympathies to all affected. This is so sad.
Robert Powell
11:24 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
BBC in the UK kept saying Ryan's name as well despite the fact that it wasn't official. The media should only ever listen to those authorized to talk to them. Last night that was the Governors assistant, the State Police Lieutenant in charge of the operation and the Governor himself. All other sources, police or otherwise were unauthorized to talk about the situation.. The Lieutenant even stated in multiple press releases he didn't have a name yet..
C E Montgomery
12:32 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
sooooo true.....how dare they report something about that poor innocent guy before they got their facts together....when I saw that on tv...I said out loud stupid reporters saying that JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY!!!!.....never mind possibly ruining this guy's name and reputation!!!....if I were him I'd sue their company!!!...for slander....and besides that....the way the whole family had to find out about this is a tragedy in itself....they were probably shook up as much as the rest of us and STILL had to process what was going on and their own loss...wow...it's time reporters be held accountable for ruining people's lives with the misinformation they give just to justify 'a story'!!!...my prayers are with all those near to this situation....thanks for posting
Rick Ness
1:30 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sally G.. Yes...
2 guns and one more in vehicle..plus he came equipped with bullet proof vest.
8:34 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
yep- used to happen - furthermore, I m so sick of the news media, paticularly tv ,plastering the faces of people in shock, of people who are in tremendous grief and pain, with a background of sorrowful music, on tv screens, and then some ignorant, stupid reporter shoving a microphone under the noses of these people and asking them how they feel.. These stations makes a circus out of tragedy.They disgust me.
8:36 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
If society wasn't so hungry for information, things like this wouldn't happen. If they'd wait patiently for accurate information they'd get it. Don't blame media, blame nosy Americans.
Donna Richmond
8:50 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
It's just another sign of the times with the news media. They go for the worst in people like gossip first. This poor man. He lost his sick brother and his mother.
Back in Mo'town
9:02 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Typical for the media of today - don't report the news, create the news!
9:14 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Its not the first time the media rushed into a story without verifying information. complete idiots to me.
Rod Gibbons
9:22 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Anyone owning a gun in this country is a "potential" murderer. When the 2nd amendment is more important than children's lives this country needs to be burnt to the ground. We are pathetic. No one can be trusted with a gun in these times, in this country. Anyone who thinks they are a responsible gun owner is just plain naive. If I was President of the United States I'd take a flame thrower to this God forsaken country.
Sue O
9:22 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The media should be ashamed of releasing the wrong name, without proper verification. They will do anything to add to their story, including misrepresent details.
9:37 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Exactly! if they didn't stay on air for hours yesterday, reporting every bit of wrong info coming in this wouldn't have happened. I didn't see one reason why they needed to stay on air for hours like that yesterday.
Rob Whiteley
8:40 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
True journalists are as common as craftsmen furniture makers or artist glass blowers.
9:43 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Bobby Cherry
6:56 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Reporters reported on what POLICE said was correct information. Don't blame the media, folks!
Give me a break...that information came from "sources who insisted on remaining anonymous BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AUTHORIZED TO SPEAK TO THE MEDIA"
The media are a bunch of vultures who only care about generating headlines...maybe if they weren't in a race to be the first to break the news and took information from unreliable sources, they wouldn't have made this HUGE mistake
12:34 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Rod Gibbons, you're a guy who would take a flamethrower to the country if you had the chance. It's easy to see why you think there are no responsible weapon owners. You clearly wouldn't be one.
Tracey Gallagher
6:32 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
So sad and why people should NOT jump to conclusions. This young man has also suffered a loss. My heart goes out to all. I wish the media and people on FB would stop posting pictures of the young children. This is a prime example of how the media and other people convict without knowing all the facts. T. Gallagher
Sally G
6:34 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I am always the last to suggest lawsuits as solutions to problems that cannot be fixed with money—sue for fraud, sue for theft, but not for slipping on a sidewalk—but maybe Ryan should consider a really big suit, to remind journalists of their responsibility.
8:30 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Would you like him to sue the police as well? Why stop the vindictiveness at the press?
Sally G
12:59 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
No, the suit suggestion was only half-serious anyway; I was just grasping at something to get the media to focus on accuracy before speed—especially important in our current instant-access Internet world. I should know by now that MSM is all about sensationalism and scoops.
1:45 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Well nancy would you like your name slandered by being labeled a child killer, just out of curiousity? Media should not rush and type things till they have all facts straight.
2:03 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Tamarya, "just out of curiosity", do you expect an answer to that ridiculously loaded question?
8:38 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
If the media wasn't under so much pressure to be the first, the best, the one who has all the information they might not have bad information. You can't place the blame squarely on their shoulders; where do you think they get their information from? First responders. So why not sue the entire place? You are part of America's problem...
Tom Westfield
10:09 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
It is almost impossible to prevail in a suit versus "the media" for this type of screw up, unless they published it knowing it was false, and did so with "malice".
Brett Bickley
6:34 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Sometimes I wonder if the internet is possibly the worse thing mankind has done to itself.
Robert Stevens
11:31 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I agree with you Brett.
It was not the press that released the name and it does not matter who did!
ANY name that could possibly be associated with this/any horrific crime should be released straight away so ALL possible victims can be notified and stop further violence.
Ryan will NEVER be harmed by being accussed of this! NO ONE WILL BLAME HIM!
He will be a victim of his brothers actions very similar to the actual victims.
Craig Hueneke
12:41 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I agree Brett.. And Twitter and Facebook don't help because ANYONE can put up "info" and it's automatically considered "official" because it was on the internet.
But the bottom line.. I think there is a bigger problem than unreliable reporting in our face that needs more attention right now.
1:54 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Brett, you are not alone in this sentiment. The internet is a great invention, but we may just have unleashed the ultimate uncontrollable beast.
8:40 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
well at least people's ignorance and nastiness is out in the open where attention can be drawn to it - before the internet, it was still there but most didn't recognize the extent of it --perhaps more will be appalled and wake up to how ugly it all is
9:46 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sally G. you are ignorant, oh by the way, it is MSN NOT MSM. It would be Fox "news" that sensationalizes and LIES. Let's pray for the lost children and adults who were murdered and pray for their families and friends instead of criticizing the "media".
Tina B
6:42 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Reports say that the gunman may have had his brother's ID on him thus the confusion. Now that I've read this article I'm wondering how a developementally disabled young man gets his hands on a gun?
ledis gazic
7:44 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I agree with you and wonder the same thing. Unfortunately, I am sure he did not get the weapons legally. I am wondering why a developmentally challenged young man was out and about on his own?
8:23 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
@ledis gazic, the horrific act aside, let's not make the focus about neurodiversity. This young man was an adult, and most likely his own legal guardian (and even if not, he still has rights), which is why he "was out and about on his own." Also, the guns belonged to his mother.
Minx McCloud
12:08 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
According to the press (and of course this info could be wrong), five guns registered by the mother were found in the house. Why would she do that? He was described as having a mental disability. This tragedy has had me in tears all day and I'm not even a parent! So senseless!
Sally G
1:01 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The guns belonged to his mother. This is the first place I have seen a report of Adam possibly having Ryan's ID—is there a source for that? What I heard is that Ryan had not been in touch with Adam for a long period, perhaps years. That does not indicate a situation in which Adam would have had Ryan's ID.
5:25 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The shooter's mother ( akindergarten teacher at the school) had 5 guns registered to her. If the brother, who described his brother as developmentally disturbed, why didn't his mother a teacher keep those guns from him? Why would you have 5 guns in the house with a child like that in the house?
8:39 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Because we live in America. A country who doesn't seem to think we need any gun reform. They're more worried about trampling the right to have their weapons than they are our right not to be killed by them.
10:24 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
where was GOD ? oh thats right we kicked him out of our schools I THINK I WOULD REPENT AND ASK FOR HIM BACK. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE AMERICA IS A RETURN TO GOD . I BET THERES PRAYER IN THAT SCHOOL TODAY.
6:53 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
There is so much that went wrong here - I can only hope we learn from this and in time hear the rest of the story.
Bobby Cherry
6:53 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Hey folks, before commenting, look up the facts. POLICE mistakenly identified the alleged shooter as "Ryan Lanza." Do not blame the media, folks. Goodness, research your comments before commenting.
Robert Powell
11:24 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
BBC in the UK kept saying Ryan's name as well despite the fact that it wasn't official. The media should only ever listen to those authorized to talk to them. Last night that was the Governors assistant, the State Police Lieutenant in charge of the operation and the Governor himself. All other sources, police or otherwise were unauthorized to talk about the situation.. The Lieutenant even stated in multiple press releases he didn't have a name yet..
Chopped Meet
12:36 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ya know Bob Cherry boy, the guy had his brothers ID on him they are saying, don't blame the cops, they have been great through this ordeal, lets see how well you do walking into a situation with 20 dead kids in front of you, lets see if you're Johnny perfect. Grow up dude.
1:00 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Quite frankly, in my 68 years, I've discovered that you can never rely on the press or hystarical people to report anything correctly. It will take days or weeks to learn what really happened here. I read that a reporter responded to the fathers residence to inform him of what happened! A reporter, interfereing with a police investigation. that being true, they should lock his inept self up. But again, we do not know if that is true.
9:49 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Your right Bobby Cherry. People shoot out their mouths and starting blaming before listening and then when everything is in, comment. That's why there is so much confusion, people do not have the facts and just say stupidities.
Nora Martinez DeBenedetto
6:55 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Developmentally disabled? I had heard that he was mentally unstable, but I wasn't aware he had developmental delays/ issues.
Tina B
8:07 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Read the 4th paragraph. CBS news this evening also said he had a personality disorder. Could have both.
Nora Martinez DeBenedetto
8:26 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Yeah, but mentally unstable or personality disorder is VERY different from developmentally impaired. Was he learning disabled? That is the implication in this article.
Tina B
8:29 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Nora, what is your point? Do you need the correct diagnosis to hold him accountable? It is possible he had a developmental disability and psychiatric issues. Bottom line, he walked into a school and shot 20 innocent children and 6 innocent adults dead! Do you think they or their families care what his actual condition was?
Nora Martinez DeBenedetto
9:23 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I was simply pointing out that those are two totally different issues, and this is the only news outlet that had described the shooter as having developmental disabilities as opposed to mental illness. I was simply wondering about the accuracy of the details. Like most people, I am wondering what could drive a man to commit such atrocities. Clearly the families of the victims are not quibbling about such matters at the moment - I don't believe I implied otherwise.
9:30 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Take the diagnosis of dyslexic, makes you learning disabled. So Einstein was learning disabled.
You can have disability and many people wouldn't know.
If you meet me on the street you would not know that I'm learning disabled and visually impaired.
Rick Ness
12:44 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Nora your question was spot on , the two issues are very different. I suggest the Doctors that don't get your point try googling the 2 issues and educate them selves. When I read the article I asked myself the same thing.
Sally G
1:03 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I heard just the opposite; and yes, Tina, I heard CBS speculate that he MIGHT have had a personality disorder. We need to just wait and see.
1:05 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Just a label someone stuck on him for some reason. No one knows if he was/is "developmentally disabled" Retarded perhaps, but again, who knows. Not disabled enough to not understand that you do not go to a school and kill your mother and innocent children.
John Santaella
8:43 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Don't believe or repeat everything you hear or read in the media. Words are thrown about by people who do not know the meaning of the words they are using. To wit; developmentally disabled, mentally impaired. Automatic assault weapons. All of these are used for dramatic effect by the press. None of the guns used was an automatic weapon. Listen to the news with a large box of salt next to you.
7:18 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
The reporting papers tv radio and web sites writing their own copy should share the blame and the obvious financial harm done. After everyone forgets the names, the internet will forever retain cached pages that will show up on every background check for every job, and every airplane trip and every rental application for cars and apartments and gun purchase waiting period background checks (for states that require them) and cross reference with the Total Information Awareness scheme used by the government to know every detail of everyone's life at every moment. Every time the man goes forth and signs a document, or purchases real estate, or gets pulled over, another of the dozens of security and enforcement agencies in the Federal realm itself, will look for another wild hair out of place on the man. Everyone he has ever received from or sent an email to, friended on facebook, or got a parcel from or sent one to shows up on a list. Every time he farts without permission, some intrepid luggage pilfering TSA agent will strip search him and his wife and kids. Did you see how they interviewed so many little kids without their parent even there, and the dumb assed questions they asked, like "You weren't scared though WERE you?" Sue the idiots for defamation which will exist in perpetuity from this day forward. What happens on the internet stays on the internet. Forever.
7:51 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Again, this news was reported with information from a police source.
In your alarmist scenario you neglect the fact that with every check on the innocent man's name, a story like this will appear, titled "Wrongly Named...".
Robert Powell
11:48 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
BBC in the UK kept saying Ryan's name as well despite the fact that it wasn't official. The media should only ever listen to those authorized to talk to them. Last night that was the Governors assistant, the State Police Lieutenant in charge of the operation and the Governor himself. All other sources, police or otherwise were unauthorized to talk about the situation.. The Lieutenant even stated in multiple press releases he didn't have a name yet..
Sally G
1:08 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Actually, I was surprised at how well-handled the kids' interviews were; thought the reporters did a good job of keeping it at a not-too-threatening level for kids who had to have been traumatized, asked basically clarifying questions. The kids I heard talking were pretty articulate, even if not fully informed. I heard one actually defend what he had said to the reporter, not letting the reporter sway his position—pretty self assured; bravo!
1:11 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Reporters should not even be allowed on the scene of such a horrifyng mess. This is a criminal investigation, and as always, they think they can out investigate the Police, ergo, false or misleading info. Freedom of the Press does not mean freedom to interfere. They are all looking for the "you heard it first here" label. Sad..
John Santaella
3:37 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Instead of trying to reach for the Pulitzer Prize by naming a suspect, the press (media) could have said 'the police have a name and are investigating'. Too many in the media are busy making news than in reporting news.
Bonnie Arnold Haynes
7:50 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
There were always a lot of mistakes by the media. The real judge of their integrity
Is how quickly and completely they correct themaelves, and what they do to undo the damage. It use to be illegal to interview a kid without adult permission. And it probably still is. Whoever did that should be convicted of child abuse and put on a watch list.
Sally G
1:12 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Bonnie, agreed that breaking stories often contain inaccuracies; responsible timely correction is indeed crucial—but taking time to check something as important as a possible suspect's name seems reasonable. (Not sure about the police giving the name out; if true, that was equally irresponsible.)
I am not sure that a simple interview of a child ever was, or still should be, illegal—those kids seemed pretty able to handle themselves, and I thought the reporters were better with them than I would have expected; just shows that adults do understand that kids need to be treated a bit more cautiously than adults. No watch lit, you may allege child abuse, but in my court you would not get a conviction.
7:55 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
This is the seventh mass shooting- defined as four or more victims at the same time and place- in 2012. There were a few more killing fewer than four. What is always missing from the conversation is the fact that virtually all mass murders in the US over the last twenty five years were commited by people on anti depessants or other mind altering drugs. Look it up. From Andrea Yates drowning her five kids, the school shootings, almost all. Mental health screening is not the answer. Many drug ads state up front the side effects to be aware of -changes in mood, mania,thoughts of violence and suicide, yet people do not have to see a mental health doc. anymore- these drugs are freely prescribed by family MDs The over medication of society has many effects and this has to be discussed. The American Psyciatric Assn. is coming out with the controversial 2013 DSM, diagnostic statistical manual of mental health disorders. Once this is accepted the over medication may get much much worse, shyness, defiance to authority, eating healthy food, grief and many normal human emotion may potentially be classified as a mental disorder. Again look it up- it has its own Wikipedia page. They giving psych meds to kids as young as 6 months old now. Big Pharma sees a market that is still fully un tapped. I believe medication should be a last not first resort when assisting people with mental health crisis. When the fully story comes out, don;t be suprised if this man was under care and on drugs.
Jeanette L
9:27 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Actually the truth is, if a patient is on anti depressants and is monitored by a psychiatrist and a therapist, this doesn't usually happen. The problem is when you have drugs prescribed by an internist and the patients are not monitored by a psychiatrist who will check regularly with the patient. And talk therapy with a qualified therapist is vital, weekly, to get a bead on what the patient is thinking. And drugs work individually and it can take awhile to come up with the right combination. This did not happen overnight. Experts have been saying it was planned and I believe it could've been prevented. Especially if the mother had not had guns in the house where the young man could've had access to them. He might not have come up with the idea. And you are wrong about Andrea Yates. She was NOT on antidepressants. That was the problem. Her husband didn't believe in them and she had postpartum depression that was left untreated where she did not see a therapist and have medication. And as a psychiatrist told me, patients who commit suicide while on medication do so because they have been prescribed by an internist NOT a psychiatrist.
11:18 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
where are all the state hospitals for these "crazy's"....this is the problem....WE ARE LETTING THEM ALL WALK THE STREETS and they are not being taken care of....hence.....shootings!!!!!!! killings!!!! and mass murders!!!!!! The mentally challenged that walk these streets....should be in institutions!!!! BUT we have so few that they are out and about....and then the stress builds up till "they" end up killing massive amounts of people!!!!!! If mental patients are out there....LOCK THEIR ASS'S UP IN INSTITUTIONS.......before they crack and take out 20--30 innocent people at a time!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For crying out loud...if a person does a crime---they go to jail!!! If they are mental......they should go to a mental institution!!!!!!
Sally G
1:15 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
the drug issue is real; they are seemingly attempting to medicate any unusual personality. And heaven forfend one is diagnosed—from that moment forth, one is not allowed any display of emotion that is not approved; everything is considered a symptom of disease, and answered with "have you been taking your medication?", "maybe your medication needs to be adjusted?"
What a society this is becoming!
1:23 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The ignorance about mental illness and developmental disabilities is tragic as well! These conditions are what makes people kill. Persons that do such things have suffered some sort of trauma in their lives whether it was a single episode or some ongoing trauma or abuse. What happened is horrible but so is all the hate being spread here. Pray for all involved, including the soul of that young man that he will finally be healed and delivered from the evil that held him in bondage!
Cheryl Glaze
11:05 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I totally agree. I have worked in pharmacy for 30 years and have seen many children prescribed stimulants for behavior issues instead of using parental disipline. I agree that there are children who need these drugs, but they should go through major testing before a prescription is written. Also, if people would get back to living by biblical principles, this world would be a better place all around. Just read the ten commmandments if nothing else. I have noticed that everytime there is some type of trajedy, the churches are filled. Don't wait for something bad to happen, let's fill those churches every week, pray for those all around us including our government officials and the decisions they are making for our lives, and see for yourself the possitive changes that would come about. Our world is falling apart and we need to put it back together.
8:34 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Agree lou, look at the guy that went into the police station begging for help and they called off the ambulance and let him go free then he killed his mother and injured his father.However the mental disorders are getting old for these killings, just between the movie theater and the school almost 40 people will not be spending the holiday with their family and both were pinned to the shooters being mentally ill. Sorry but I have neurological problems plus not all that cheerful and pleasant because of them and would never ever consider plotting a mass shooting. I suffered clinical depression as a teen and could not take the meds because of side effects I suffered and did not murder. I am sure there are tons of mentally and neurologically impaired people that do not kill. What we need is to start punishing and stop excusing this and maybe someone will not want the punishment that follows the crime, and if people outright say they need help or want help, just because they are over 18 DO NOT IGNORE IT.
John Santaella
8:46 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
cc, would you label the shooting by the Empire State Building a few months ago a mass shooting? After all more than four people shot. They were shot by the police but...
8:09 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
The guns belonged to his mother. What was she doing with weapons when she had a medically disabled son? A tragedy all around.
clyde donovan
8:38 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Ryan is going to be rich after the slander and libel lawsuits.
Robert Stevens
11:47 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Nobody slandered him! Well, his brother did so sue him!
8:42 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I guess none of you have heard of yellow journalism? Look it up...
Robert Stevens
11:53 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Not ONE person meant anyone harm!
THEY DID TRY TO STOP AN A&^HOLE from shooting more innocent people.
If the name was correct and they arrested him WOULD YOU BLAME them NOW???
His brother is in enough torment and does not need anyone to add to it!
12:18 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
By the time they plastered his face on TV there was NOTHING to stop, it was already confirmed that the shooter was dead.
8:48 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Let's stop this maddens.s contact our leaders.
Dear leaders of this country,
Where is the outrage? Children were killed just for sitting in a classroom.
Why do I only see calm relaxed condolences from you?
It is like this is an everyday event that we will get over, move on and forget about until the next time.
This is not acceptable to me and I want something to be done about it. And the solution should not be constrained by funding or people's rights.
Human life is priceless and that of our children more than priceless.
What kind of adults are we if we cannot protect our children? What kind of country have we created when children do not feel safe in their town and their classroom?
What are you going to do about it. I want an answer now.
Robert Stevens
11:45 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Dear Barbara,
First... I assume you meant to write "madness" and not "maddens.s"
The "outrage" is expressed EVERYWHERE you look!
If I was a betting man... I would bet that you feed feral cats inside and out of your abode.
9:36 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The question is Barbara, what are you going to do about it. That is one of our country's problem, the people want everyone else to fix the problems. Well guess what you have to get off your but and help fix " it "
Bonnie Arnold Haynes
9:08 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I think we have the gun laws in place but we don't have law enforcement. Mayor
Guiliani had it right when he went for no tolerance on crime. It should be the priority of 30every local.town government. We got rid of our mental institutions in the 70s and now mental health is usually some family doctor tosing pills at someone. Some of these pills are truly wonderful but only in a complete care context. But when Atlantic Health head
Hog needs to make millions of dollars each year at the expense of medical staff and patient
Jeanette L
9:29 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Your point is valid about health insurance companies. If they would reimburse adequately for mental health, which is a disease, then more patients could afford expensive treatment and incidents like this wouldn't happen so often.
9:09 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
@Anne. She may have been protecting herself from her psycho son. The facts around his "disability" are not clear. He could 't have been that "disabled" since he knew how to shoot, drop and reload clips. The only facts that we have are the mistake the Police made in releasing his brothers name before they in fact were certain of information they pulled off a paychopath.Thus, putting his brother in harms way of another psycho who wants revenge now that the media has published his address in Hoboken. In the meantime 27 families are without a family member and worse without a child or brother or sister. They are in the safety of God. My prayers are out to everyone affected on this horribly tragic and emotional day.
Bonnie Arnold Haynes
9:26 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Sorry .. my dog stepped on it .. needs. We need to put more money into law enforcement, and mental health. Then people and families who have conditions that require life ling
Social support will get it. Let's see any journalist out there compare the cuts in budgets and increases in crime.
11:25 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
The main problem with your solution for this is we have no money to put into more law enforcement or anything else. Our country is teetering on broke. It doesn't matter whose fault it is ... it just is.
Jeanette L
11:56 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Actually nonnie, the money that would be spent on mental health and law enforcement would reap many benefits in the long run. You have to look at the big picture. When people who are mentally ill are treated properly, like anyone else who has a disease, then you have more productive and less dangerous people in our society walking the streets, etc. The problem mentioned by another commenter is the way the law works if a patient, who is an adult, doesn't want to take their medication, their is no way to force them to have treatment and take their medications. The laws have to be changed so that people who need to be medicated and treated can be forced to. We need places, not just mental hospitals, for these people to be supervised and where they can live and receive meds as needed.
mom of son with disability
9:26 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
He couldn't have been "that" mentally/emotionally disabled because he was physically able to load guns? Clearly, you know nothing about this issue. Count yourself extremely fortunate that you've never had to deal with a loved one with developmental problems.
Tina B
9:31 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Are you serious? I have a Down Syndrome cousin and another with schizophrenia - both fully capable of working a gun. The Down Syndrome man helped his mother run a motel and the other cousin has a job and drives a car. There are different degrees of developmental problems and mental conditions.
E Hart
10:23 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
There is absolutely nothing about being developmentally disabled or about having a personality disorder (a rumored diagnosis) which would have impaired his ability to load and shoot a gun. Clearly he was severely mentally impaired -- probably far in excess of the current diagnoses. The trouble is that our current system offers little in the way of protection from mentally ill people who refuse or do not respond to treatment. Even when a parent fears the violent potential of an adult child, she is often afforded no help by law enforcement or the public mental health system. Even the best insurance policy wouldn't be of much help if he was unwilling to participate.
I am inclined to agree with the writer who suspected that the mom was armed to protect herself from her son.
9:30 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
We don't need more anti gun campaigns, we need to stop giving children anti psychotic drugs! This kid suffered mental instability....no doubt he was diagnosed with by some PDF reference guideline and subsequently drugged....this is the result of big pharma taking over our children, with their drugs, vaccines, fluoridation etc....something is very wrong in our society and its way bigger than guns!! God speed to all those families including the family of the dead shooter :(
the dude
9:33 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Insane rampages are, sadly, not confined to the United States. One happened this very day in China, where a cruel madman attacked a group of children at school. Twenty-two children injured. Versus, at current count, 18 little children and nine other people shot dead. That's the difference between a knife and a gun. Guns don't attack children; psychopaths and sadists do. But guns uniquely allow a psychopath to wreak death and devastation on such a large scale so quickly and easily. America is the only country in which this happens again -- and again and again."
Jack D
9:55 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Sorry DoubleD, but untreated and/or undertreated mental illness is often the root cause... It was with the Virginia Tech and the Denver movie theater shootings, and is likely the cause here.
Take a look again at the disturbing pictures of the mentally ill Denver shooter.
If he had been forced to take long acting antipsychotic medication, a lot of people in Denver would still be alive. I expect a similar picture to reveal itself here as the facts emerge.
High-risk, seriously mentally ill individusls need more treatment, not less. You placing the blame on psychiatric medications is like saying "Tylenol causes fevers." (Fyi, tylenol reduces fevers).
Jeanette L
10:03 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
You're right Jack. I have a family member who was suicidal until she was put on drugs because talk therapy alone didn't work. And I have another family member that took narcotics, including heroin, because he was undiagnosed and he was self treating. Most drug addicts have underlying mental illness that is untreated.
10:12 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Jack u should look into MK ultra...with regard to the Colorado shooting.....but then again our government wld neeevverr partake in such nefariousness....
P.s. there are many other ways to treat mental issues without drugs...one of the side affects of anti psychotic drugs is suicide.....
Ken Krueger
10:09 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
And which network again got it right? Fox News. Just sayin'.
Jeanette L
10:12 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
You are so right. I was watching their coverage tonight. And I am a Democrat!
10:27 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Not true. I watched Fox News Channel 5 and they made the same mistakes.
12:23 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The network that his facebook image plastered on their screen and in a giant shot on their web page several hours AFTER Ryan was already posting that it's not him? That should raise enough flags that they either (a) have the wrong Ryan Larza or (b) their unofficial source who couldn't confirm it got it wrong...
10:16 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
P.s. I've had the unfortunate experience of being the recipient of someone else's mental instability...and believe me drugs exacerbate the problem far beyond what most ppl wld care to admit or recognize....so I speak from very close experience
Jeanette L
10:23 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
That could be from the wrong medication. It's not an exact science. I have a relative who's on 3 medications and it took a year to get the combination right and it saved her life. And when we tried to take her off of one of them, she became suicidal and only felt better after we resumed it again.
mom of son with disability
10:21 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Given all the hours of media coverage of this tragedy, I'd love to see some serious attention to mental disorders (how to recognize, how to treat), the role of health insurance, respite care for family members, care for adults with mental issues -- especially those with aging parents who cannot care for them.
Jeanette L
11:59 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
You are so right mom. And mentioning aging parents, it looks like my mom in Florida has dementia and possibly alzheimer's. My family members are looking into it. And it's becoming a serious problem in this country. Because the care involved, as with those people with mental disorders is expensive and they need round the clock monitoring.
10:28 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
For cryin' out loud, we all have different levels of disabilities and abilities so PLEASE stop the effing stigma on mental illness! If you have ever taken an anti depressant or an anxiety med, you are in the system as, "mentally ill". Being mentally ill does not mean you go round killing innocence! And don't make every one with Asperger's be a killer! I have a dear family member with Asperger's and he is the kindest sweetest soul I know. I HATE STIGMA! it instills fear and hate of people who are different.
If mental illness were looked at as the same as heart disease, diabetes, or cancer, maybe things like this would be addressed before they happened, but our system is broken; it is almost impossible to get help for people who don't want it but need it. It is equally as hard to get even if you DO want help!
Most of all, my heart is broken for all the families that will have to live with the pain of loss for the rest of their lives. It is hard to loose someone you love no matter how they go.
Jeanette L
12:02 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Musique you are right on target. It's a disease and the treatments are not covered properly. There is a huge stigma and people mistakenly believe that it's the patients' fault and that it's easily controlled without any help. It's the way the brain is wired, that's not something you can change with antibiotics and mental diseases are not cured but controlled. And you are right about the families who will never see their children grow up and for the adults' relatives who will never see their loved ones again. But it will also be tough for Ryan because he will always be known as the brother of a killer and he will never get to see his mother again.
Lewis Pagano
10:59 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Wake up people look at the greater issue of schools dealing with disturbed young people.After 25 years of working as a Substance Abuse/ Crisis Counselor I've had students like these one who came back years later to find out who had gotten him the helper he needed because he was on that path. I knew then and used my experience to help him.There were once 3 of us in the district now there is only one Susan Galperin at the HS.These jobs are so important to getting are kids help ask many who are my former students.I've made my mistakes and angered "sick parents "who raised these kids but it was my job to help them and most will tell you I did help them.Our governor has vilified teachers and staff and yet I know it is a thankless job that many wouldn't want. Wake up New Jersey our governor is ruining our education system and more like myself are getting out of education.Many young teachers are feeling same. All our schools need more counselors and staff with experience I'm glad I wont be around to see our schools destroyed .by our Governor and politics.Our kids need help !!
Rod Gibbons
9:33 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
You've got 1000s of schools in this country with 1000s of "sick" and "disturbed" students. How do you propose to fix all this. There isn't enough money in this country to fix every social problem we have. This country with all its laws and all its money and all its social programs is unsalvageable. This country will collapse and burn under its own weight. Only then will we rise from the abyss. Until then more killings like this will occur. I have no solution because there is no solution.
Lewis Pagano
11:06 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
By the way I retired Dec1st and hope that Ft Lee schools realize they need more Crisis and Substance Abuse Counselors . We are called "SAC" and are trained counselors to treat crisis issues not guidance counselors. Truthfully it is one of the more difficult and one that puts you in harms way too in many ways that many wouldn't want.
mary bell houghlan
11:22 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
wondering why the mother needed 3 high powered guns, I own one pistol and have for 50 yrs, never used it BUT if someone invaded my home, I would shoot to kill.
5:41 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Agree Mary Bell. I have zero guns. I always believed that if I did have one and attempted to use it, the perpetrator would take it away from me and use it on me. I still believe that. They just flat scare me. In the meantime I have two Chihuahuas who raise enough of a racket (and one mean one bites if you look at him cross-eyed) and if that doesn't scare anyway away then I'm toast. But frankly, I'm reconsidering my fear. I mean a class of kindergartners? Four and five year old babies? Moms sent them off to school 10 days before Christmas and probably spent time making Christmas cookies, shopping and wrapping presents while they were 'safe' at school until they got home.
As a mom of 4 (all grown) this makes me weep. My heart breaks for those poor moms and dads who have lost their precious little ones.
John Santaella
9:10 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
I hope you qualify with your gun regulary and clean it as well as have relatively new ammunition or you will be beaten with your own gun.
11:29 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
The need to check facts for a news story went away with the advent of cable news. The instantaneous ability to report a story has become the primaty concern for every news outlet. They want to be the first to tell a story. Not the one to report the correct story anymore. If they are lucky and get it right the first time, good for them. If they get it wrong, bad for whoever they reported as the bad guy. They are not quite so quick to make corrections to stories as they should be. The person they reported first now has to convince everyone that they were not the one to commit the act.
Matthew Massie
11:36 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I guess I can mention God in this forum sad I guess I hit a nerve !
12:16 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
You're free to mention anything you like, just don't expect agreement. There's nothing "pathetic" about a wide range of ideas.
John Santaella
9:12 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
you can mention any god you wish just don't force it down anyone's throat. You can also pray if it makes you feel good but don't expect prayer to change anything. It won't bring those killed back and it won't console those who lost them.
Teresa Smith
11:53 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
I personally think that the son was upset with the mother, because all the attention she was giving the children she taught and neglecting him, and if he was truly disabled he did not understand that love and caring is a wide spread and it goes a long way, I truly believe that he was mad and took it out on his mother and her students to get revenge and when he realized what he did he shot himself for he knew the trouble he would face if he got arrested. Not so disabled if he knew to kill himself. So Sorry for the families that lost loved ones my heart and soul go out to all and I am praying for all you to get through this most inhuman act of violence for I will light a candle for all.
11:57 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Jeanette your exactly right most of it is due to an untreated mental illness or not being monitored properly. Some are saying individuals are doing it because of the meds, in some cases this could very well be true. However, if the patient is being monitored by a therapist and MD it is unlikely. Most plans are acted upom when the person is coming out of depression because that person has the energy to follow through with their plan. And for whomever said that they need to be locked up in a mental institution like people go to jail, The fact is most of the ppl that are in jail have a mental illness, also ppl who use drugs and alcohol are self medicating their illness, ect. The fact of the matter is 1 in 4 ppl suffer from a mental illness and usually when have one you have another to go with it, thats ppl that you are in contact with and around on a daily basis and dont even realize it. Its not legal to keep ppl locked up that have a mental illness, the can only be heald for a certain amount of time on an involuntary admittance and then you have to have them sign a voluntary and still they can only be institutionaled for no longer than 10 days max before insurance will not pay. Also there are limited phsy.facilities long & short term & there are a limited amount of rooms. Unfortunately, as the economy gets worse: loss of homes, jobs, ect., you wil see more ppl suffering with mental illness depression, anxiety ect.
Jeanette L
11:32 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Karen you are so right about it getting worse because of the economy. People don't understand the long term costs of ignoring the mental health needs of people. Depending on the diagnosis there are people who need long term treatment and drugs, until they are stable, and there is no place for them to go. It's penny wise, pound foolish thinking. God knows what this young man's diagnosis was and if he was receiving treatment. They said today that this brother and father had been estranged from him and hadn't seen him in years. There had to be a reason for that. And the fact that he planned this, including getting the bulletproof vest, means that he was thinking of this for a while and had been sick for a while. This breakdown would have taken time. And the worst part is, now they say his mother didn't have a connection to the school, so why did he choose to go their and shoot those children. It makes it even more senseless than it already is. And the problem is that no matter what his motivation was, it will never make sense to those of us who's thinking is not warped.
12:12 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
And the only way they can be admitted involuntary is if they are a threat to themselves or others, and its for 3 days max unless you can get them to sign a voluntary during that time period. And for the one that says depression, anxiety, ect. is a mental illness true but im sure you have not worked with these ppl and actually seen how bad shcitzo, personality disorders, bi-polar can get and be at times. Educate yourselves before referring to these things as if it should be taken lightly. Read some books, watch some movies on real life experiences with it better yet go get a degree and work with it! It will truely be one of the saddest and best experiences you will have ... and yes i do have a degree and i have worked with these patients and i do have a son with a mental disability and its a 24 - 7 job!
Jeanette L
11:35 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
It is a tough job to have a mentally ill child. You are right Karen. And it's a helpless feeling when you can't help your child at times feel good about themselves, feel some sense of normalcy and feel that in the end, they will turn out all right. There is also a lot of anger directed at you, as the parent, and it's hard to be strong at times and always do the right thing for them. And there is a lot of fear that your child will never have the life you dreamed they would.
12:26 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Glad to see a report showing facts...explaining that the original named gunman was in fact all the way in Manhattan at the time. I feel terrible for this young man. He lost his mother and his brother in one day as well as being accused of such a terrible crime before he even knew it happened. Imagine the feeling of hearing that you killed your mother, yourself, 20 children, and 6 others, and then coming to the realization that your mother has been killed and it must have been your brother, so he is dead as well as all of those innocent children and staff. This man needs an angel to walk with him as he grieves and learns how to survive this awful tragedy.
Sally G
1:24 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I cannot imagine what Ryan is going through, as tragic in a different way as any of the parents who lost children; he lost both a parent and a brother (from whom he had apparently been somewhat estranged), and to realize that one's brother killed their mother! wow.
Chopped Meet
12:31 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
When will the media, Obama, Eric(the BUM) Holder, Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid,Nancy Pelosi, Little Chuckie Schumer, Bob Menendez and MSNBC start blaming the Tea Party, talk radio, GW Bush, Sarah Palin and the Bible for this tragedy?
12:37 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
There were enough real victims today, please don't try to hypothesize your way into political, or any other kind of martyrdom.
8:37 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sorry, but it was Mike Huckabee who first started politicizing this tragedy by claim pining that if we just had more people forcing their religion on others this wouldn't have happened.
John Santaella
9:17 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Dear Chopped Liver: get a life. This is beyond politics.
12:31 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
You know there is so much finger pointing going on its the presses fault, no its the cops fault, no its the mothers fault. Who cares who fault it is we have 20 children dead and 6 adults and a shooter. We have parents who lost their children right before Christmas. I think we shouldnt care about he faults but lets just try to come up with a solution so maybe someday it wont happen to one of our loved ones.
Jeanette L
11:37 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
You said it Christine. The main thing we need to do is to figure out to prevent more tragedies so there won't be a next one and that it won't become a commonplace thing.
12:34 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Isn't it curious that the mother was the legal owner of an assault rifle? Could Adam have obtained it illegally using his mother's ID? After all, he was in possession of his brother's ID. Was his mother a hunter or gun user? Did his mother also obtain his body armor for him?
Rick Ness
12:57 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Freddieboy you just asked 4 excellent questions , I'm waiting for the answers the bloggers have for you.
Sally G
1:25 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I heard "black clothes"; I did not hear "body armor". Not sure about the guns.
olivia love
2:12 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
his teacher mother had them legally registered....and don't forget that BOX CUTTERS brought down planes and more than 3,000 were killed...and not a gun in sight....so, put it in perspective...and pray for the chldren instead of making it a liberal thing....it is Constitutional to own guns....and don't even drive a car again, it might kill you or someone else....live in a bubble.... EVIL WILL PREVAIL WHEN IT WAN'TS TO....no moral values left in America..and our children are paying the price...hate to blame the one who actually did the crime, right?
12:42 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
How about we let the facts be brought out over the next week or so and THEN make judgements about the shooter and the over all situation, all posts above this are no better than the media releasing the wrong name..
Rod Timmons
12:56 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Importatnat issue here is that 20 little 5 yr olds were massacred in their classroom because a lone unhinged chump had access to semi-automatic weapontry that we make very easy to obtain & murder us, our children & our friends ! ! ! !
1:00 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Matthew, thanks, I know that we have kicked G-d out of everywhere here in these United States, I do feel that we are reaping what we sowed, such tragedy shouldn't have happened!! We as A NATION asked G-d to get out of our schools, our court rooms, and just about everything, we are truly living in a unprotected Country, G-d will not stay where He isn't wanted, so don't be surprized if these senseless killings keep on going, we will see more and more terror, (homegrown) we need to put our Creator where He can protect us. We need Him still !! I know, I will receive some nasty mails after that post, but this is my firm belief! We rejected G-d, and He, as a Gentlemen, will not be, where He isn't welcome! I cried for these families, I can't phantom the heart wrenching pain they are going through, my heart is heavy with such sorrow!! My, my!!! too much grief! No one deserve such evil descending on them, if the schools aren't safe for our precious children, then, what? Children need a safe environment to learn.
olivia love
2:06 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
wonder if they had any joy in their classroom before this happened...did they get to have Christmas Songs or Hanukkah songs sung...were they allowed to have anything in their classroom....like non-denominational Santa Claus..or a tree with ornaments.....bet not...bet the liberals made sure of that...and they didn't get to enjoy what we did when we were young....just a steril environment with no mention of a higher power...I wouldn't dare mention HIS NAME
9:53 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Olivia, you set up your straw man then knocked him down, not much of a challenge, eh?
Rick Ness
1:11 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I have a question for all the people defending the media on plastering his name without fact checking first. Did the police also tell the media he worked for a financial company Ernst & Young in the city, and lived in a 5 story brick building on Grand Street called the Metropolitan ? What is the point of providing that information?
olivia love
2:03 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
the police are the usual scapegoat...that is why...blame it on the police and all nod in agreement...like they have time to speak to media, think they were a tad busy...
1:14 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I have lived in Connecticut All my life. This for me was the first most horrible situation to happen here. I don't know any of the people who have lost their lives but still, my heart is broken and I cry as if they are family members. I can only hope and pray the families can try and heal one day and may the lost rest in peace. Their lives cut too short. What confuses me is why would his mother purchase those kind of guns in the first place? For herself? I am sure she knew her youngest son was unstable, why would she want to bring possible danger into her home? I find this odd. She brought her own death upon herself. He was a ticking time bomb ready to explode. Another thing, is why he had his brother's identiication on him. Didn't Ryan realize this? Hes off in NJ and his brother is here in CT........how did he get it? And why wasn't it missed sooner? This whole story just strikes me as bazaar. I guess.........like a book........I'll have to wait..........chapter by chapter to read what happens next. God Bless you Connecticut, I still love you.
olivia love
2:01 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
what? brothers 20 and 24 can't live in different states, that is so unusual to you? Maybe he just used an old ID for clubs and had it on him...if he went where the drinking age is 21....why do you have so many inane questions...it happened and we will learn the facts MAYBE, when we learn the facts....talk abut the media jumping to conclusions......why are so-called regular and normal people do it? Who knows why the teacher mother had guns....it was her prerogative under the law...but, know not all like to follow the law...the Constitution has been shredded so often nowadays it is hardly noticeable....maybe that will turn out to be the reason...NO VALUES ANYMORE...PLAIN AND SIMPLE....DO YOU SEE THEM IN GOVERNMENT?
Jeanette L
11:40 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sarah, it's very possible he had a copy made. There are many underage children who have fake id's so they can drink at bars, and I have seen one and it's very authentic looking. So it's very possible he had one made up. And maybe he had it because he was trying to punish him because of the estrangement. We will probably never know.
donald andrews
1:14 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
why did the mother have guns in the house with a unstable person living there
10:03 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I'd like to know that also. Why did the mother have guns in the house knowing her son had mental issues. I hate guns, period...
1:35 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I think our gun purchaser wasn't the mother at all.................I think it was Adam using her ID. SCARY that its THIS easy.
olivia love
1:56 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
you have to produce a picture ID, if bought legally as said....the guy must have been blind not to see a man in the name of a woman..., or the obvious age difference...she was a TEACHER....think anyone will want to know that a teacher bought a gun legally? our own government sent guns to walk in Mexico...and no one cares about those which killed more than one person....pray for the children and their families....and leave the psychoanalyzing and real facts to the people who know what they are doing, for once in your lives........
Jeanette L
11:42 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Olivia it's possible he bought it in another state or at a gun show. There are so many dealers who turn a blind eye to gun purchases and don't do background checks. Hopefully we will find out, so we can possibly put a stop to the person who sold him the guns, if they weren't sold to his mother. I really hope his mother didn't buy the guns, because that would be even more tragic to be killed by your own son with your own weapons.
John Santaella
9:20 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Johanna, it's not January yet and you've already gone over the cliff?
olivia love
1:52 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
all fault the media for printing something they know nothing about and then go on to analyze with such authority what actually happened...something really wrong with that one, no? And, now it will be all about the guns legally registered to a TEACHER...when it was BOX CUTTERS that brought down the planes on September 11th...or do your little minds forget that to get your liberal facts out there...even when they are wrong....today, ironically, the ACLU was testifying on not having security police in schools to police children...what have they to say now?
Rod Gibbons
9:58 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
No. What brought down planes on 9/11 was poor security and political correctness. Profiling would have kept those fanatics off the planes. Destroying every gun in this country would have prevented this mass shooting. Profiling would have prevented this mass shooting. Communism would have prevented this mass shooting.
10:05 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Olivia Love, don't mix box cutters with GUNS!!! Boy, it seems like you love God, but you sure love your GUNS more.
Robin Shane
2:17 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ryan, my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your father for your losses. This is such a tragedy for everyone involved. Also sorry for the accusations and confusion you must have felt, and likely are still feeling. God bless you and your family.
9:47 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I agree with you Robin. My heart is breaking for the families of the victims, and for Ryan too, who lost his mother, and has to live with knowing his brother was responsible for this horrible crime. I hope he has close family and friends to help him through this.
Jeanette L
11:43 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Beautifully said Robin. I second your statements.
scott sr
2:43 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
parenthood, gun ownership, mental issues, drug companies, false news reporting, blame... what do all these have in common? Personal Responibility. Sad the event happen, hope things get better... yet why do i know better.
5:14 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The police are supposed to act as professionals. They are not to release information until they have the facts. If you notice it was 3 law enforcement officers who would only "speak on condition of anonymity" which is a cop-out.
I disagree with the person who said that it could not hurt the wrongly accused man. He has a job and his name and pictures of him being taken in by the police have been on the news and the internet. He has had to explain himself.
The 3 law enforcement officials who spouted off their big mouths should be fired immediately! They acted irresponsibly and highly unprofessionally. If they can disobey those rules would you trust them to take you in to custody?
I hope he sues the law enforcement officers he has both slander and libel that were used against his name with no checking first.
This young man is every bit a victim as the others and he deserves our condolences.
Rod Gibbons
9:53 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Missing the point here. 20 children are dead. Getting the facts wrong is the least of our concerns.
12:36 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes 20 children are dead and resting in peace, leave it at that. 6 innocent people over 18 are dead also, I see no mention of them and one teacher gave her life to protect her class. However you are missing the point that a surviving family member of the killer is being labeled as the killer himself. Will ask you the same question I asked nancy, would you like the title of a child killer. Would you like if thats what you were labeled as. I think John who commented after me had a good conclusion, they should keep it anonymous and claim under investigation till they know all info is correct. And you seem to be more focused on destroying the guns over accepting the fact 20 kids are dead and regardless of what happens to any gun we can still get killed and those 20 kids are not returning unfortunately.
Alex Vallas
6:08 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
This horrible incident brings to light how initial reports can be confusing, wrong, and misleading. This happened in the US where we have immediate access to the investigators. Yet, we find members of the GOP being highly critical of Ambassador Rice and the administration for the erroneous reporting of the tragedy in Bengazi. This should be a lesson to them that not everything initially reported is always accurate.
Rod Gibbons
9:48 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Inaccurate reporting is not the problem. Guns are? No guns, no mass shootings, no erroneous reporting.
6:33 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sad to say my feeling is that this wonderful country is in a downward spiral. Propelled by greed on every level. Truly need to rewind. Our food supply is laden with chemicals, our new generation of children are diagnosed with many abnormalities. I mean really autisim and related dysfunctions have skyrocketed, then thet get medicated. The fda should ban all food colorings and flavoiungs. In the meantime while they sort thru how to do make the mfgs remove it, we as a people could stop buying these tainted products. You will see how quickly it will change. All starts with corporate greed.
Lydia Theriault
6:57 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
My prayers, my tears at hearing babies murdered, my love sent to those who suffered. I am a grandma, I had to hug my grandson (7) extra today. My husband has a hunting rifle, hidden and locked away. The bullets are locked up and hidden in another area. Not where anyone could find or have access to the weapon. Our rifle also has a key part removed form it rendering it useless should someone gain access to it. Weapons need to be locked up and not with ammo, if you have them. There needs to be special evaluations and certificates and locking mechanism for individuals to purchase guns. A require psych eval would not be a bad idea either. There is no need to have semi automatic weapons for hunting either.
Rod Gibbons
9:38 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
No. Guns need to be destroyed. NO one in this country can be trusted with a gun. No one. No one.
Jeanette L
11:47 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
So true Lydia and Rod I know responsible people who know guns and even use a special finger lock to their gun case so that no one can open the gun case except the owner, and they keep the bullets locked securely. Evil always finds a way. What about bombs? There are plenty of instructions on the internet on how to make one and they kill many people.
Laurie Michelson
7:35 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Perhaps when we get past the hate, nasty words at each other, need for lawsuits, slander, anger, mental illness, mentally disabled, all the buzzing going on. We can talk about the issue of gun control here. How many have to be killed before these laws change?
Rod Gibbons
9:39 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Exactly. NO one in this country can be trusted with a gun. No one. Anyone who owns a gun is a potential killer.
Jeanette L
11:49 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
You're right Laurie. If you want to own a gun, you should have to follow the same rules in every state. And so should the gun dealers. And I believe in having psychological testing, some jobs require it, to make seriously mentally ill people who might be dangerous, are unable to obtain one. And most of all, get assault rifles off the streets. NO ONE needs to own one, except the police and military members who are at war. Unfortunately, the NRA has too many lobbyists that are against gun control laws.
7:43 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The venom in these Patch post never cease to surprise me. No wonder the US is a mess.
Rod Gibbons
9:41 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
This country is a mess because we have laws that allow people to own guns. This country is a mess because we allow people to have the freedom to kill other people and then we want to wail about it afterwards. This country is a joke.
7:53 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
..Did you notice that Fox News refused to name the gunman? They made a point of saying the other stations were naming him. But guess what? those other stations were broadcasting the wrong guy!
Edward P. Campbell
8:00 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The Story Could Have Read: A crazed gunman entered the Sandy Hook elementary school this morning and was killed by the armed principle, after the irrational gunman opened fire, narrowly missing three students.
Think too. Obviously this person was out of his mind and seemingly wanted to kill as many people as he could. Did he pick a school because he knew that law abiding citizens who are legally licensed to carry guns, are prohibit by law from carrying them in a school, and therefore he would not be challenged?
Here's another cut on how it could be have read: A crazed gunman entered the Sandy Hook elementary school this morning and was killed by a policeman who happened to be in the building after dropping off a student's backpack that was inadvertently left at a bus stop. The officer open fire on the irrational gunman after the gunman shot at three students.
One more question. Did calling 911 prevent this tragedy?
We are as unable to keep guns out of the hands of sick people, just as much as we are unable to keep heroin and other drugs out of the hands of drug users. The only way to stop violence is to quickly stop sick people who are acting out from killing others.
Rod Gibbons
9:43 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
No. The only way to stop gun violence is to keep guns out of the hands of everyone. My right to live and survive outweighs any need or right to own a gun.
Edward P. Campbell
10:36 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Rod, seriously how do you propose to do that? Have the government search every home, car, and person in the nation? What if people hide their guns behind their walls in their houses because they know the government is coming to look for them? Do you think the government then has a right to destroy your house, ripping walls down and whatnot looking for guns that may or may not be there? What if people hid their firearms in the woods? Burn all the woods down? Seriously, how do you collect the guns?
Get a grip. Guns are here to stay. Here is another fact. Not being from Jersey I grow-up in a place where we high school age children took our rifles into school, stored them in our lockers, and went hunting after school. No one shot anyone, not to say our high school was atypical. We still had fights and all the other garbage that goes on in high school, but no one ran and got their gun. I hazard to think what would happen to anyone who did. Of course back then we all had morals, the Ten Commandments were posted on the walls of our schools and people unfit to fit into society weren't allowed to walk about as if they were fit to!
John Santaella
9:29 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
But no, the policeman called a SWAT team who called the bomb squad who took the backback to a range where it was detonated because he thought it had a bomb. And the teacher/principal in a panic shot himself in the foot. Oh, please, stop this 'if more people were armed' nonsense.
12:39 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Rod you sound like a complaining child with the guns, and don't ever become ill terminally because your right to live will get thrown right out the window and you are not stopping it.
8:22 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
When I was growing up, A moron or a idiot knew better than to take a human life
but they were taught thy shall not kill
8:22 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The anger in these postings typifies what is wrong with this country. We go through life spitting venom at each other. For those on the fringe, they cannot express themselves angrily on a website, instead they take an all too available gun and head to an elementary school. Remember peace on earth, goodwill to all men.
Rod Gibbons
9:45 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Look around the globe my friend..........there is no peace on earth, and certainly no goodwill to all men..........that is until after a tragedy like this occurs. Then we all jump on the bandwagon like sheep until time passes and then we forget until the next time. Sheep are dumb and shouldn't own guns.
Gilbert Trindade
9:00 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ridiculous...all i can resume this missinformation by this bunch of hungry for news unprepared "reporters " (if we can call them that) Law suit to all the ones who put this out without beeing sure about what they were talking about. ;My feelings to all the families who losst theyr loved ones....Ryan stay strong, God will be with all of you .
Kat K
9:21 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I still haven't heard why that mom had those weapons. Why would a school teacher in a "sleepy town" need those weapons?? I'm just trying to understand.
I am heartbroken, as is the rest of the country, and especially for the families and friends of the victims, the other children in the school, and my heart breaks for Ryan as well. This is one of worst tragedies ever. It really makes one feel so helpless, as you want to help, but there is nothing you can do. It will take this town and all its people a long, long time to even begin to get past this. May the peace of the Lord be with you all and give you strength to carry on with your lives. Know that people all over the world are praying for the recovery of this town and its people, and for Ryan.
Not Domino
9:41 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Clearly she needed those weapons to protect herself against her insane son.
Kat K
8:39 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I don't believe she needed "all those weapons"~~she was a gun fanatic and even taught her children to shoot. This story just came out today. And, if you believe she needed "all those guns" to protect herself, why did she not get him out of the house and get some help for him?? That was a really lame argument, Y. Rosenbaum. Maybe you need to think that through a little better. Those guns should never have been in that house in the first place, especially if was as crazy as you say he was. Apparently, she had quite an arsenal, and even her acquaintances/neighbors/friends said she was an "enthusiast"~~I believe it was a little more than that. That was on the news as well.
John Santaella
4:04 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Click here: Adam Lanza's Mother Was a Gun Enthusiast, Friends Say - NYTimes.com
Jeanette L
4:15 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Thanks for the link John. It really explains a lot except for why a mother would teach a mentally ill child, asperberger's doesn't make you a killer, but mental illness can, to shoot. Because the reality is that even though some mental illness doesn't show up until the 20's, from the link you can see he had obvious signs for years. She definitely taught him well. And now they are saying that it was obvious that he killed himself once the first responders came, and that he intended to kill more people, before he was stopped.
John Santaella
4:34 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
@Kat K.
There will be many questions asked over the next couple of weeks about this. Some will be answered. The question you raise,however, about why this woman would teach her son how to shoot is one that we will never have an answer for.
This episode is awful for all who were directly affected by this horrible act. Many not directly involved have also been affected by this. The hurt for those who lost loved ones will never go away especially those who lost children.
Rod Gibbons
9:27 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Everyone of you is missing the point. Gun control in this country is pathetic. The right to bear arms is pathetic. When the 2nd amendment is more important than the lives of our children we have a serious problem in this country. No one and I mean no one can be trusted with guns in this country. If you own a gun as far as I'm concerned you are a potential killer. We whine and moan about these tragedies but no one will stand up and do what needs to be done.......destroy every single gun in this country.
9:51 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Rod Gibbons,
I usually do not comment on this sort of issues. However your statement that "If you own a gun as far as I'm concerned you are a potential killer" is in my view incorrect. A killer will use any method to kill, be it with a gun, saw, bat, chainsaw, screw driver, circular saw, car etc.. Guns just allow you to kill at a distance rather than up close. Please note Tim McVeigh who killed many without the use of a gun. Enough said on this matter.
I understand that many people are up in arms and upset and those are arguing for more gun control laws. However, is there an official report on where Adam Lanza got the guns?
9:57 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
do you really think banning guns will mean no one has guns? that you can get rid of guns?that you can destroy all guns? if so, you are incredibly naive -- those who want them will always have them --this world is weaponised -- it is big money - it will never stop
10:03 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Here is what I found so far:
"The guns — Glock and Sig Sauer handguns, as well as a Bushmaster .223-caliber assault rifle — were legally obtained and registered to Nancy Lanza"
If one has a person living with you that has developmental disabilities or other mental issues then two questions stand out.
1. Why were the guns easily accessible to him? If the mother kept the guns loaded in the house without securing them then she is responsible for this massacre as much as Adam is.
2. If they were not easily accessible to him (such as locked in a safe with a trigger lock and unloaded) then how did his get his hands on them?
I own four firearms, they are kept in a safe, unloaded with trigger locks. The ammo is also kept in a locked box which is inside yet another safe. Both safes have different combinations. This is responsible gun ownership. Keeping loaded guns where they can be easily accessed by a mental unstable person or a child is not the fault of gun laws. it is the fault of irresponsible people.
10:09 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Mr.Gibbons, you are pathetic and pretty ignorant. I hope to meet you some day.
1:48 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Gun control is not pathetic in this country...there are so many "controls" yet they are rarely carried out. More gun control will do nothing. For you to say that anyone who owns a gun is a potential murderer is highly offensive. You'd better hope that the 2nd amendment stays put...the alternative is that the bad guys and the government (one in the same?) are the only ones who have guns. I personally would end up sleeping with one eye open every night if that were the case because criminals will still get guns even if it's illegal. The only people who suffer from gun bans are law abiding citizens who want to defend themselves from violent criminals. Also, that nasty 2nd amendment is in place to prevent the government from complete tyranny.
John Santaella
9:32 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Rod, you are a potential rapist. Should you be castrated?
Suzie Littrell
9:37 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The news media is out of control. They need to be reigned in and made to pay a big price (legally speaking) for their misuse of influence and propaganda practices.
1:32 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The news media are given a very wide berth under the First Amendment. There will be no legal consequences for any misinformation lacking "actual malice." See Times v. Sullivan.
9:38 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
My heart is breaking for all of the victims families, and also for Ryan Lanza. I cannot image what this poor young man is going through, to lose his mother, and deal with the heinous crime his brother committed. I hope he has family and friends to help him through this.
Suzie Littrell
9:40 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ryan, sue the media who blasted your name as the killer all over the news without waiting for proof. Don't take this abuse. That's my opinion.
9:51 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
christopher lee fraites
9:55 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
i think they should put a media black out on the whole thing I have 5 kids and cant find a tv station not running this in the ground its a horrible thing but the more they discuss this the more questions I find myself having to answer how do you exspain this to a 3 yr 4yr
or even my 11yr 12 yr 13yr old children I dont understand this so how do I exsplain it
to them its horrible its tragic please give the youth a break the reporters are asking why what do you think our youth are thinking in a society were violence is glorified!!
Suzie Littrell
9:59 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Controling guns is not the point. In the old days, kids brought their rifles to school after shooting squarrels for their supper. Teachers put the rifles in the corner of the room and started class. It's not the guns that kill people, it's people that kill people. Most guns and rifle owners shoot their weapons at shooting ranges or hunts for food or sports. ...A few disturbed people don't set the standard for the rest of us. I am a former woman Marine and I own a pistol, my husband, a retired Marine, owns some weapons and we have no intentions of hurting a soul... ever. We just like to go to the range and practice on paper targets for fun. So, don't judge us all. I am so very sorry for this awful awful act of violence on innocent babies and teachers. It is despicable and evil what happened. I pray this doesn't ever happen again. America and the people are a great nation. America is compassionate towards those who are hurting and in need. God bless America.
10:24 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Being a Marine(Viet Nam Era) I couldn't have said it better myself....
1:54 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Suzie, it seems you feel that you have to defend that you own guns...YOU DON'T! It is your right as an American citizen and you show own them proudly. All these anti-gun nuts scream and yell right up until they are the ones looking down the barrel of a gun and can do nothing about it except wait 15 minutes till the police arrive - too late! This is just another way for Obama to attempt to take guns away from law abiding citizens...disgusting how he would use something like this tragedy. Not really surprised, though.
John Santaella
9:35 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Suzie, I don't own a gun and have no intention of owning one but I respect your right as a responsible person to own one.
10:01 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
What's funny was when I checked ryans page yesterday afternoon to get a visual of this guy,before the page was completely shut down,it had Ryans picture and the picture was titled final day for good 12/14/12 then as soon as I tried to go back to it to fowarding the pic for some friends to check it out for thereselves on Facebook,it was all of a sudden gone.
Edward P. Campbell
10:06 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Something else to consider – Yesterdays tragic events are heart breaking there is no doubt about that and I don't want to diminish that, but since everyone else is pushing their political point……
Yesterday 30 people were killed on American Roadway because of drunk drivers. As wretched as yesterday shooting was, at least it is over now. Sadly 30 more Americans (including children) will be killed today by drunk drivers, and another 30 tomorrow, another 30 the day after that and the day after that, and the day after that….
Isn't it time we do something about this too?
Suzie Littrell
10:22 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Edward, you have a point. Politics is being played out here. So, Let's get rid of alcohol in America. No more drunk drivers. Not political, just good common sense. No more illegal drugs. Health care costs would definately go down. No more abortions cause that is murder of the more hanus kind. Again, health care costs would go down. Sorry Edward, I had to vent. You're a good guy. Take care.
2:24 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Auto deaths are accepted by Americans who refuse to accept lifesaving 55 mph speed limits. Are they that complacent about firearms? Looks like it.
1:59 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
I know drunk driving is a horrible thing but let's not get carried away. Let's make a list of every "item" that has caused a death and outlaw all of them, OK? Drugs/guns/alcohol/rope/knives/matches/baseball bats/scarves/bare hands/airplanes/cars...I'm sure there are many more! Let's just do away with everything that might look/smell/taste like it could hurt someone. There. All better.
Suzie Littrell
10:08 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I'll bet their were plenty of "T" or "M" rated video games that glorified shooting people and zombies/people in his house. It's called practice. Guns aren't really the problem, video games that are so violent and de-void of kindness toward anyone prepares sick minds for even more sick behavior. Just a thought.
12:30 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
What prompted people to violence before video games, in your opinion?
2:01 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
There are tons of them, Suzie! And in response to Nancy Duggan - TV has been around for a very long time. Violent? You bet. You put violence on TV and in movies, violence in video games, God out of EVERYTHING, the mentality of "whatever feels good, do it", etc. That's where all the violence comes from.
Bear Beariga
10:25 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
And it's a GOOD thought Suzie Littrell because IT IS FACTUAL! That, coupled with simple psychology that Adam Lanza likely was a "child that didn't get the attentions from his mother as the school children did" will also emerge. Being mentally challenged IS A CHALLENGE ~~~ living with the stigmatism that they are "not quite right" is a burden beyond most "NORMAL" people's realization. The brother may not have been the villain, but remaining at a distance with his brother Adam is obviously indicating an isolation Adam had involving the broken family he came from. Guns are not the problem, BROKEN DOWN MENTALITIES THAT MISUSE FIREARMS IS THE PROBLEM....IT'S PEOPLE THAT KILL PEOPLE DRIVEN BY THEIR OWN INNER UNRESOLVED PROBLEMS...NOT GUNS!
Donna Colucci
10:38 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
please remove me from the updates on this thread...it is consuming my email..
Opal Myers
11:17 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I agree with Susie, get rid of those video games. Kids set for hours with them.
David A. Liebler
12:46 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
As this all unfolded our EatDrink editor Brett Wilshe was texting with Ryan who was wrongfully accused. Brett had over 108 media requests and I had to field numerous request from CNN, the Today Show, Fox news etc....My comments to them was simple and direct....."Brett does not want to talk to you, as you are one of the reasons why Ryan's life is always going to be associated with this horrible tragedy. Furthermore if the media actually did there jobs and verified the information, instead of trying to be the first out with the story, you would be more respected." Lastly we asked every media outlet to give Ryan a chance to clear up his good name when it is time. The media has really sunk to a new low. How CNN and the others would do this to him is horrible. Where is the sense of real journalism? My thoughts and prayers go out to all the families and parents of those impacted yesterday. Very sad.
Ojo Rojo
12:49 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
$50 says the media is right now outside his building waiting to harass the guy.
Edward P. Campbell
1:13 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Beginning Monday, government helicopters will be over-flying all of America. They will be carrying metal detectors and scanning every inch of ground for anything that looks like a gun. All gun images detected by the airborne scan will then be immediately destroyed by side winder missiles carrying a small technical nuclear war head, fired form the helicopter. People with guns in their house or on their person are strongly advised to place them as far away from their house or person as they can before Monday.
You laugh? This following story is true. A young child was punished in an American Public School, because he held up a piece of pizza he had taken a bite out of which made it look like a gun, and then pointed it at his friends! Hey, I can't make stuff like this up: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2821712/posts
Rod Gibbions will be so happy!
5:36 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I heart the freepers they are amusing in the most pathetic sense.
6:04 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Edward, it's probable nothing that w̶e̶e̶k̶l̶y̶ daily ECT sessions won't clear up.
11:39 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
The old days are gone and they aren't coming back.
The problem is in the here and now.
And it will happen again.
And again.
And again.
4:09 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
@Allen Stevensome - perhaps this was god's will - he did not stop it did he? Well as all my christian friends would say "they are in a better place." Sounds hollow and phony when an atheist says it. The "media" which many of you are maligning only do what they do because YOU watch it. Turn it off. @Little John - it's 'ditto' - and guess what America it is time to place heavy restrictions if not an outright ban on guns. Hopefully the Supreme Court will reevaluate the 2nd ammendment. This will not be the last school massacre at least not until we decide we love our kids more than guns.
Jeanette L
5:59 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
My daughter sent me this link that I think expresses from the mother's viewpoint, what it's like to live with a potentially violent, mentally ill child and how hard it is to get the proper treatment, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html
1:15 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
In reply to olivia love, You sure do sound like you are defending Adam in a very stupid way. You talk like "the poor guy" had normal rights..............yahhhh RRRIGHTT !!! With his screwed UP mind uh huhhh..............Olivia? You sound just as weird as HE WAS........Stop acting like you know it all because you DON'T........Lets WAIT to see the REAL FACTS from THEm NOT from your second guessing dear............smh
9:42 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Hope they look into everything. Still not convinced he acted alone. Would be the perfect crime using a mentally ill person to do ones dirty work. They should probably look into everything two weeks prior to murder. Everything seems odd still. I feel bad for the families - I would want all avenues looked into. I think there may be more to this than what we see.
John Santaella
8:23 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
I was wondering how long it would take for the conspiracy theorists to come out of the woodwork though some have already said it was MK Ultra.
11:23 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Its funny, everybody wants to jump on gun laws, the media, and everybody else! I'm not a gun person, but I do agree with the statement that"guns don't kill people, people kill people".this is a sad day for our country and we should be concerned about the people who are dealing with such a tragedy, if he didn't have a gun, it could have been a knife, a club or a damn spoon! I have never posted anything before but felt that this deserved it, lets hope and pray for those left behind, there is a dead man to blame, lets get it off the news and let them grieve in peace, this is going to start a big debate what we should be doing instead of helping those have lost, think what this will do to the survivors for the rest of there lives.it will take years or never to put the joy of the holidays back in their lives, my heart goes out to them! Sorry for your lose Sandy Hook Elementry
John Santaella
1:24 am on Thursday, December 20, 2012
I do not in any way wish to trivialize what has happened in Newton, CT. Murder is horrendous and the numbers in one episode don't make more or less so. There are more suicides in this country by guns than there are murders by guns. Those suicides are by and large committed by handguns than by semi-automatic rifles. Revolver or pistol; one shot is all it takes. Most people who own guns do not commit crimes with them. Notice I did not say ''do not commit crimes'' I'm sure many bankers own guns and they'll rob you with a pen than with a gun.
Roxie English
2:43 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Remember Richard Jewell (now deceased) who was a guard at the Atlanta Olympics (1966)? He discovered a bomb and took appropriate action (notified police, warned people away from the backpack containing the bomb, etc). He was identified as a hero for his actions. That is until he was falsely accused of being the bomber a few days later. He was later completely cleared -- it turned out it was a man who blew up an abortion clinic and later confessed to the bomb event in Atlanta. The police, including the FBI, rushed to judgement, as did the news media. The harrassment he suffered went on for weeks (months?) and was unforgiveable. Mr. Jewell eventually sued for libel and won big (for those days) monetary awards. He came to symbolize the excesses of law enforcement and the news media. But as far as I can see, nothing's changed in news reporting since then. ` Well, except now we also have the "social" media set who send the false information around the world at warp speed.
Jeanette L
12:01 am on Thursday, December 20, 2012
Thanks for the link John. I really had no idea, not owning a gun, how in some ways it's more dangerous because it gives a false sense of security. And now impossible it is, without training, to actually use a gun for protection. So it really gives a false sense of security to owners who purchase guns for protection.
John Santaella
10:43 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Are the conspiracy theorists coming out of the closet?
Heidi Jones
11:30 am on Thursday, December 20, 2012
I do hope Ryan and his father know that there are people out here hoping and praying for his family as well. They are victims of this tragedy too and it's not fair to assume they aren't hurting and grieving.
Kat K
8:38 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
My heart goes out to Ryan Lanza. I can't even imagine what he must be going through. I will keep him in my prayers, as he is a victim of this whole ordeal as well.
Peace Be With You, Ryan.
Anabell Jones
3:01 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
I'm not saying teaching gun safety will end the recklessness of gun use http://www.airsplat.com/airsoft-safety.htm but it does not hurt to educate!


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