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The Web Responds to Christie's GOP Keynote Speech
Gov. Christie spoke to the American public on the GOP convention's opening night... so what did the internet have to say about it?
Maureen Torres
5:26 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Christie did well at the RNC last night. He spoke from his heart, and has positive feelings that Romney can and will reform this country. Our country is suffering lets move forward together REPUBS and DEMS to a PEACEFUL solution.
7:16 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
So the republicans will be peaceful when they have the presidency? Unlike the thuggish behavior they demonstrated under Bush? Unlike the obstructionism they have used as a strategy to make Obama look bad while hurting us?
8:42 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Yes, you like all that togetherness as long as it consists of "Capitulate To Everything The Republicans Want." Where was your call for togetherness when Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said at the beginning of the Obama presidency that his main priority was to make him a one-term president? Your kumbaya is highly selective.
Robert F. Galgano
9:48 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Christie sure talked a lot about himself and very little about Mittens.
Steve B
10:46 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
@ B@B - Mitch McConnell is the MINORITY leader of the Senate. The Senate is run by the Democrats.
@QJ201 - ObamAA+ and his party has controll of the House of Rep. and had a SUPER-MAJORITY (i.e. - no GOP fillibusters) in the Senate for his first 2 years. Still spent all his time passing Obamacare and adding 3 trillion to the deficit.
Nucky Thompson
5:38 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Lollypops and unicorns for everyone! Pollyanna, don't be sucked in to the black hole of hypocrisy that is the repug party. They couldn't give a crap for you once they steal your vote!
Long Time Resident
7:20 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
And I suppose the Dumbocrats are any better then the Repug Party Nucky Thompson?
You are fooling yourself if you believe that!
8:34 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Nucky.... you must hang out with Joe! - The democrats are the party of bad ideas and the republicans have been the party of no ideas. Don't you get it.... neither party has focused on the people's work, but prolonging their careers. I think Romney can change that.
8:38 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Joe, why do you think Romney can change that? He panders to whoever he thinks will get him elected. He says one thing at one point, then contradicts himself at another. His platform is antediluvian. The last time we had a "good businessman" as president it was...Herbert Hoover. You want to try that again?
8:59 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Work hard and if you want unicorns and lollipops for everyone you can make that happen! That is the philosophical difference between underachieving liberals who believe that they are stuck in their station in life and make excuses for it and those of us who believe that faith and hard work will get you where you want to be in life. Enjoy it, grab it, and don't be mired down by racial and economic divide that is the Democrat party.
5:42 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
My kuids, husband and I LOVED it! We know how passionate he can be, we appreciated the way in which he spoke! LOVE him!!!! When liberal media and stupidity refer to him as Chris Crisco, poke at his weight etc. I say get a life! Get a real educated thought, stand behind it! Big deal if he's oveweight! Show me proof thhat his weight directly affects his ability to govern! Do wrinkles or gray hair impact how some of us parent?!?!
William Mays
10:37 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
When he has a heart attack because of his weight, that'll affect his ability to govern.
5:43 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
So we're wrong for caring about our children's future and not YOURS?!
8:24 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Jennifer, of course not. But if you look at what the Republicans are proposing, the deficit will go through the roof. Remember VP Cheney, who told us during the costly--and unpaid for--Iraq war that "deficits don't matter." I guess they only matter when the Democrats are in the White House.
8:45 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
What exactly do you think Chris Christie will do to help your children's future? I'm curious, because I've heard nothing from him about that. Last time I looked, he was interested in gutting public education and kicking poor children off of health care.
6:36 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Mr. Christie...
My peoperty taxes are going through the roof... Yes you did it !!!
Forclosures all over the state.. Yes you did it !!!
Unemployment rate is highest in the nation.. Yes you did it !!!
Hoffman LaRoche leaving the state... Yes you did it !!!
Thousands added to the unemployed... Yes you did it !!!
Thousands of homes for sale in the state... Yes you did it !!!!
Jersey comeback is a joke... No comeback until this egotistical blowhard is out of office !!!!!!
7:19 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Chris Christie portrays himself nationally as a "truth teller" when he has less than a casual relationship with the truth. He speaks of NJ comeback....is he kidding. The only entity making money around here are sickening reality shows portraying Jersey people as ignorant clowns. He is just a blowhard looking for profile.
Long Time Resident
7:22 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Jacki.....you can thank BOTH the Dems and Repubs for this mess. Unless of course you like keeping your head in the sand!
8:29 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Jack!...your property taxes are thru the roof due to inept RWD village current and previous City Councils, Mayor and manager. They gut important depts. like Parks, Rec, Buildings, but give fat raises (4%) to overstaffed Police and Fire Departments, and 0% to all other departments and they have no clue how to rein in spending at the Board of Ed (that's where most of your money goes.). Oh, don't forget the fat $22,000 raise for the Village Manager.... thanks to all his layoffs in City hall.
Foreclosures - Hardly Christie's fault... he took office in January of 2010. The real estate crash occurred when?? Right, PRIOR to Christie and that was something put in place by the Democrat controlled congress, Barney Frank and Freddie and Fannie...sub-prime mortgages...lending money for home purchases with 0% down and to people unable to afford the payments. STUPID POLICY.
Hoffman LaRoche has been planning their departure from NJ back in 2008, under Jon Corisine. Do you ever read the newspaper??
Homes for sale inventory is actually low in most areas of NJ
Unemployment... again...READ THE FACTS. Yes, its high, but not the highest. California, Nevada and Rhode Island have us beat. But NJ has Camden, Newark, Elizabeth, Jersey City, and others, that are havens for those that LOVE the public dole... NJ has been a welfare state for YEARS...when Christie was in elementary school.
Jack! you are bitter partisan...stop reading the DNC talking points and think for yourself!!!
Patch Sucks!
12:12 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012
Whenever Christie speaks, his puerile pseudo-enthusiasm makes him sound like he is running for High School Senior Class president...frightening to think that his boyish, boisterous and boorish charm could put him in the Whitehouse. VERY fightening prospect...game over.
David Nova
11:25 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
say, joe!, looks like you forgot the GOP controlled congress for 12 years (except senate for less than 2 years), and the housing bubble burst in the first half of 2006 [see case-shiller index], before the dems took the majority. since the bubble triggered both the recession and the financial meltdown, your attempt to blame it on barney frank and the dem congress can only be the result of -- dare i say it? -- swallowing too many GOP talking points.
Melvin Freedenberg
8:06 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Jacki, I am not a Christie supporter but you don't have one of your accusations right, just like Paul Ryan accusing Obama of being responsible for a GM plant closing when the plant closed prior to Obama becoming president. All your accusations refer to decisions and conditions that were present before Christie became governor. In my opinion, we did it to ourselves. It seems that Democrats not only want a free lunch but they want a free dinner too. As a Democrat, I am appalled at the lack of reality in both parties and the dire consequences that will follow if we don't forget our country and put politics first.
3:42 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Looks like you feel Romney will lose this election or you would have said Christie in 2020.
David Nova
11:38 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
ricky's right. if romney wins, christie won't run till 2020. mccain might've been able to run in 2004 if his supporters hadn't voted for bush in 2000.
8:48 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Amazing comments. Nothing constructive contributed to help solve our problems and make things change. Maybe we should write more letters to offer suggestions they could use at least in part, or not.
9:13 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Wow....even my comments too?? I thought I was being very constructive and informative....especially regarding the ineptness of our Village elected officials and management. You don't have any thoughts about how overstaffed our police and fire departments are (mind you, Ridgewood is 1 of 5 towns in all of Bergen County with a PAID fire department) and how the Village manager and Council just cower and won't battle the police and fire unions, just capitulate to their demands, give them their 4% raise and yet no other village employee gets a raise...except the Village Manager?? Pay attention Josephine...every thing that is great about Ridgewood is being gutted and destroyed... the Mayor and his a couple of City Council members want to get rid of the villages employees and hire "contractors" to handle the work. No...I don't work for the Village. But yet, the largest parts of the Village's budget go unscathed....police and fire....because Mayor is seeking higher office and won't alienate the police and fire unions.
Crafty Spiker
5:47 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
"Nothing constructive contributed to help solve our problems and make things change." - a perfect description of CC's term so far. Thank you for the words.
9:05 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Harvey... First, Hoover was an Engineer by education, served as Sec. of Commerce for 2 Presidents and never held political office prior. Al Smith was his opponent. Smith was a Catholic and I believe the first Catholic to win nomination for President by any party. Smith - Catholic - New Yorker... at that time, just about anyone could have run, and beat Al Smith...and Smith had other drawbacks as well.
Secondly, the market crash occurred only 8 months into his administration and the Federal Reserve made some bad decisions after that, which made matters worse. Remember, the Federal Reserve was only operating for about 16 years, and by some accounts, they really didn't quite understand all the causes and effects of their monetary polices, and it took much longer periods of time to see the effects of monetary policy changes, as compared to today.
9:33 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Joe... Christie did not cause all the problems in or state. But he cannot go around pretending to be the know all fix all either. He shouts about being the savior of this state. Talk is cheap..
9:19 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Joe! I think George W Bush had an MBA from Harvard. So that businessman did us all favors in creating the conditions for the epic collapse of 2008.
8:25 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
I think everyone should have noticed that Joe has been stating facts, but people like Jacki and Harvey have said nothing but just false accusation ... after told the truth, they then turned to whine about something else. I am no republican , nor modern democrat. The Democrat party which I know of in the old days base on reasoning. But, now, it based on impulse emotions... What really scary is the education system is perpetuating this .. more people came out to be ignorant and just follow the Party. How could you vote for someone, such as Nancy P.... "you must vote for these 2000s pages of new bills, so then you can read it...!" There were a lot of down right stupid sayings... She, alike with a lot of modern day democrats, must think we civilians are a whole bunch of retard to see the falsehood of this.... It is such a big insult. Unfortunately, there are many people still vote for trash politicians like this...
David Nova
11:09 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
it's probably true coolidge had more to do with causing the great depression than hoover, but few would claim hoover didn't make it worse over the next 3+ years, ending with lots of bank failures and incredibly high unemployment.
Jack Mahoffer
11:15 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Patch Sucks!
12:12 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012
Whenever Christie speaks, his puerile pseudo-enthusiasm makes him sound like he is running for High School Senior Class president...frightening to think that his boyish, boisterous and boorish charm(?) could put him in the White House. VERY frightening prospect...game over.
8:50 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
After watching the RNC, I have come to the conclusion that the Republican's have the wrong candiaites running against Obama. If the Republican's had any guts, they would have nominated Christie and Rice. Christie - Rice would beat Obama. I think that, although he's a smart guy, Romney doesn't have the charisma to beat Obama this time. Now, I hear guys that say "anybody is better than Obama...". Really? Fellow Republican's, stop saying and writing irresponsible and silly statements. "Anybody" is not better than Obama. We need responsible candidates and we need responsible reporting from the so-called 'pundits'.....
9:04 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
I do not think that the persona of the candidates would have mattered much in the long run. Its the party and their radical and extreme policies which makes them a minority party from the start.
Who in his right mind would like to associate with that ?
9:13 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
I think the most irresponsible thing one could do is to re-elect Obama. Anybody really is better than Obama but Romney is not just "anybody", he's a very successful businessman and that is what we need right now to fix this mess we're in.
9:23 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Successful businessman does not equal successful governor. Jon Corzine was by any measure a very successful businessman; he was not a successful governor.
Robert F. Galgano
9:50 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Condo Rice is pro-choice. The Gee Oh Pee will never nominate someone who doesn't love them some fetus.
10:22 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Dr. Rice gave a nice speech, but I had to wonder if she was actually referring to the republican party. She said; "it does not matter where you come from, only where you go". Really??? The republicans have made such an issue of Obama's background, his Kenyan father, his childhood in Indonesia, and whether or not he is a 'real' American. Rice stated that immigrants should be treated with compassion. I'm not sure that Hispanics would feel that correctly describes Romney's immigration policy.
Chingones Jefferson
8:55 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
roger freiday
9:13 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Here's my take on the Portly ''pol'' Mr. Christie, Sure he gets points for his stand on the corrupt ''education'' business, and the government union mess BUT, in typical G.O.P fashion, ''Greed Over People'' Mr. Christie beat us all up on our HOMESTEAD rebates but oh, no, no MILLIONAIRES TAX ! My elderly relative, living on $12000 a year Social, has HALF of that go for property taxes ! Do you think she misses that $1300 rebate Mr. elitist Gov. ? Don't forget how much better we are with futile WARS,( thank you G W Bush) than simple pleasures like health care. The Republican vision is to concentrate wealth even more so than now ! The NJ comeback is another fantasy, keep repeating it until the electorate believes it ! By the bye, I am (or WAS) a life-long registered Republican. Never again.
9:57 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Be prepared to be screwed no matter who wins...Higher taxes, higher prices...
Unless we take back our country from these corrupt politicians that ave perverted the founding principles of our country.
10:44 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
This is the best comment on this board!!!!! jab hit the nail right on the head.
3:16 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Agreed! But in order to do so, you must get out and VOTE!
Carol Jones
10:30 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
With his charisma, Christie probably made a lot of people across the country think, "Wow, what a great guy" (The crowd at the convention cheered wildly, in case you missed it.) BUT - he sugar coated everything about his supposed accomplishments and didn't mention that our unemployment is over 9%, that he used all sorts of chicanery to "balance" the budget, that our public schools in many towns are still a discrace, etc.
10:48 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Quite frankly, the 2 major candidates for President both leave a lot to be desired. Rather than focusing on them, maybe it's time to send a message by removing the incumbents from both Houses.
I'd rather have a "green" Congressman/Senator who might actually end up doing something, than the incumbent thieves who are there now.
It ain't the President, it's the Congress and Senate. That's the problem.
6:02 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Well, we had a "green" senator who became a "green" president and put us in deep red! I think we kill two birds with one acorn and get rid of the "green incumbent" in the White House. Yep...
12:03 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
In my opinion, Christie made a political speech for himself the other night. How many times did he mention himself and what he deems he accomplished? Many, many more than he even mentioned Mitt the Twitt. So lots of help from Chrstie to Mitt!!! Yeah!!!! As for what he accomplished in Jersey, at the costof our pensions and ther things, he accomplished nothing!!! I worked for the school system and my pension, since Christie, has remained the same. No raise. So much for working lots of years and counting on a pension in our golden years. As for what President Obama accomplished, he accomplished lots. Quite a bit more than GWB. The only thing he accomplished was to put our young men and women in harms way for a war that he made up. His precious daughters or the rest of his younger family did not go. They stayed in their palaces, safe!!! President Obama was given lot of debt and problems and has done as best he could with not having the majority of congress with him. It has been an uphill battle for the past three and a half years. He is honest, kind, and a wonderful family man. Honest!!!! Not like Mitt the Twitt who will not even show us his taxes. What is he hiding? Cayman, Bahamas, Switzerland??? God forbit if we are anchored with him for the next four years.
3:59 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
"Not like Mitt the Twitt who will not even show us his taxes."
Feel free to post up your tax returns.... 5 years will be sufficient.
William Mays
4:08 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Rosie isn't running for President. Mitt Romney is. Therefore he should show his tax returns. Hes just afraid that if he shows them he'll lose the already remote chances he has to get elected.
5:21 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
And if Mitt Romney chooses not to disclose them, that is his right. He has complied with financial disclosure laws as required. THEREFORE, you can kiss his ass.
William Mays
5:30 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
It was Obama's right not to disclose his birth certificate, he did so anyway. Romney can disclose his tax returns. Most presidential candidates do so. If he can't do what most presidential candidates do, he shouldn't be running for President.
Long Time Resident
7:07 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I find it interesting that you are quick to point out to me that judge in Texas struck down their voter id law and you are apparently happy with that. Yet you clearly have a problem with individuals having semi-automatic guns, which I would like to point out has also been through the courts and been upheld. So tell me, are you ready to support the rights of citizens to have those weapons since the court has ruled on that?
4:23 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
According to the Daily Record; Christie did not even mention Romney until 16 minute into his 24 minute speech, and then only used his name 7 times. Roughly 30 % of his speech was devoted to his own upbringing. Sounds to me like he was giving an early 2016 campaign speech rather than trying to get Romney elected.
Long Time Resident
4:32 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Billly Mays,
I would like to remind you of your comment on another topic
Billy Mays said at ,9:36 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Some people don't own a car and there isn't a DMV in their town, how are they supposed to get there. By the way, you obviously have no clue about anything in the Constitution, since it pretty much guarantees your right to vote after age 18. But its ok for you to flip s*** when someone challenges your "right" to own a machine gun, using language that is unclear.
Ok I wil, reply to your questions & statements one at a time
You said - Some people don't own a car and there isn't a DMV in their town, how are they supposed to get there
My Reply - Bus, Taxi, son or daughter, Neighbor, Train. This is how these people get around day to day why doesn't that work to get to the DMV?
You said - By the way, you obviously have no clue about anything in the Constitution, since it pretty much guarantees your right to vote after age 18
My Reply - Once again I ask you to quote for me from the Constitution where a Citizen is guaranted the right to vote
You Said - But its ok for you to flip s*** when someone challenges your "right" to own a machine gun, using language that is unclear
My Reply - I don't remember saying anything about this issue, why did you feel the need to bring this up. Could it be your trying to side step the issue we are discussing,
Can you give a reasonable reply or don't you have an intellegent reasonale answer?
William Mays
4:42 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Ok, first point. Many of the people who will suffer from the voter id laws are poor, they can't afford an extra bus ticket, taxi fare, have no kids living around them, or can't afford a train. Not to mention the fact that they shouldn't have to do any of that to be able to vote. To your second point, I'll admit it, I was wrong, nothing in the constitution specifically gives you the right to vote. That still doesn't change the fact that its wrong to deny people something that they've been doing for year because of a crime that doesn't happen. Third point, Republicans always bring up the Constitution to back up a right that isn't specifically stated. I brought the Constitution up to do the same, and I was wrong. The right to bear arms was meant for state militias, not private citizens. Republicans take it as an excuse to own any type of gun such as an assault rifle, which the Constitution does not say you can own.
Long Time Resident
6:35 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
If people who will suffer from the voter id laws are poor and they can't afford an extra bus ticket, taxi fare, have no kids living around them, or can't afford a train how do they get to the voting booth?
Thank you for acknwledging you weres wrong, so we can both agree that there is nothing in the constitution that specifically gives you the right to vote.
Where we disagree is you say it is wrong to deny people something that they've been doing for years because of a crime that doesn't happen while I know that voter fraud is a crime that happens every election and it must be stopped.
Regarding your third point, I am an Independent not a Republican. I do however believe the right to bear arms was meant private citizens, such as myself. Do I believe I have a right to own any type of gun such as an assault rifle, No. But I think it is safe to say that Constitution did not address this type of weapon since it did not exist in the day.
William Mays
6:47 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
They can take the bus to the voting booth, because that is an expense that is expected, spending a bunch of time and money they don't have to go to the DMV is something that they cannot do. I don't know how you know that voter fraud happens every election when the facts are that it has happened only ten times since 2000.
6:55 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Right to Self-Protect, Billy Mays! And Hilary wants to let the UN take that right away from us--I don't think so!
Long Time Resident
7:38 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Mr. Mays,
I find it difficult to believe that someone can take the bus to the voting booth, but they don't have the time and money to go to the DMV. Were you aware that the laws covering voting do require that you provide ID when voting? You stated the facts are that voter fraud has happened only ten times since 2000. Actually the correct number is higher. Since the Attorney General's Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative was launched in 2002, more than 120 individuals have been charged with election fraud offenses between 2002 nd 2006. Eighty-six people have been convicted of voter fraud in that time frame. That is of the voter fraud which we know about. How much voter fraud goes on unreported no one really knows so until we have voters provide ID the system is clearly subject to ths fraud. Here is the link to my source on voter fraud.
scroll to the bottom of the page to read what I quoted.
William Mays
7:59 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
That doesn't specifically state whether it is voter registration fraud or actual fraud at the voting booth. You've probably never been poor. My parents have been poor before, they walked across 5 neighborhoods in Brooklyn because they couldn't afford the Subway fare. Even if it has happened 120 times, how many people live in this country? Oh yeah, like 350 million. Huge impact on the election. That also doesn't specify whether that happened in local, state, or federal elections. Bottom line is that all of this legislation is being put forth by Republican legislatures, who are also making it hard to obtain free id. I'm pretty sure that a Republican rep in Pennsylvania has been quoted as saying that if voter id laws are put into law, Obama will lose the election. Facts are that the Republicans are trying to change the outcome of an election by making laws that will prevent minorities and the elderly from voting. Liberty, "possessions of firearms" doesn't say what kind of firearms.
William Mays
8:06 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Ok, I just went back and checked my facts. There have been ten cases of voter impersonation since 2000. The voter fraud number could have been higher. But thats what these id laws are trying to fight right? Voter impersonation.
Long Time Resident
10:35 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Actually I have been poor so I know the challenges it presents. I walked 5 miles to my first job for three months before I could buy a car so my wife and newborn daughter would have the car if they needed it. Not that the car was much to speak of, it was 10 years old and cost me $1,000.00 and can best be described as a beater. We sacrificed much in our early years to get to where we are today.
The fact that it happens at all is the point that your missing. And no one really knows how much voter fraud goes on. Put this into terms you should understand lets say you have 350 thousand dollars and someone only steals $1,200.00 from you you mean to tell me that wouldn't matter to you. Of course it would, it's not the amount it's the principal.
I agree with you that this legislation is being put forth by Republican legislatures however you are wrong that they are also making it hard to obtain free id. That is just a Democrat talking point. It may well be that without illegal citizens voting Obama could lose the election. If that should happen then that is unfortunate but appropiate.
Yes I do agree, "possessions of firearms" doesn't say what kind of firearms. I think we could agree that the founding fathers could not have imagined the types of weapons we have today. Because of this we now must determine what is appropate for today. Not an easy task. Automatic weapons are a bit out of reason in my humble opinion
William Mays
10:42 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
That judge in Texas that struck down their voter id law must be a huge liberal then. Since he said that it would be unfair to poor citizens because a third of the counties in Texas don't have DPS offices where they could obtain voter id, and it would cost $22 for them to get a copy of their birth certificate. Same goes for states like PA.
James Bombace
8:29 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
You are 20 times more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than someone with an assualt semi-automatic rifle. Clearly even you can see that by the information Long Time Resident has provided. Looks to me like your arguement against guns has been blown away......pun intended.
Facts are a horrible thing when they aren't on your side!
cecile marie
4:58 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Chris Christie spoke well - about himself and not about Mitt. The role of the keynote speaker is to enhance the image of the nominee and get people firmly behind him.
Chris Christie showed disrespect for Ann Romney with his statement it is better to be respected than loved, just following Ann's speech about love.
So, he may have gained followers for his run in 2016 after Romney fails (can't any of the Republicans help Mitt?? instead of themselves??), but he failed in his role as keynote speaker.
William Mays
5:04 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
No one can help Mitt. Only reason Ryan is on the ticket is to start prepping him for 2016.
Long Time Resident
8:27 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Actually I have been poor so I know the challenges it presents. I walked 5 miles to my first job for three months before I could buy a car so my wife and newborn daughter would have the car if they needed it. Not that the car was much to speak of, it was 10 years old and cost me $1,000.00 and can best be described as a beater. We sacrificed much in our early years to get to where we are today.
The fact that it happens at all is the point that your missing. And no one really knows how much voter fraud goes on. Put this into terms you should understand lets say you have 350 thousand dollars and someone only steals $1,200.00 from you you mean to tell me that wouldn't matter to you. Of course it would, it's not the amount it's the principal.
I agree with you that this legislation is being put forth by Republican legislatures however you are wrong that they are also making it hard to obtain free id. That is just a Democrat talking point. It may well be that without illegal citizens voting Obama could lose the election. If that should happen then that is unfortunate but appropiate.
Yes I do agree, "possessions of firearms" doesn't say what kind of firearms. I think we could agree that the founding fathers could not have imagined the types of weapons we have today. Because of this we now must determine what is appropate for today. Not an easy task. Automatic weapons are a bit out of reason in my humble opinion.
William Mays
8:34 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
That judge in Texas that struck down their voter id law must be a huge liberal then. Since he said that it would be unfair to poor citizens because a third of the counties in Texas don't have DPS offices where they could obtain voter id, and it would cost $22 for them to get a copy of their birth certificate. Same goes for states like PA.
Long Time Resident
7:15 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I find it interesting that you are quick to point out to me that judge in Texas struck down their voter id law and you are apparently happy with that. Yet you clearly have a problem with individuals having semi-automatic guns, which I would like to point out has also been through the courts and been upheld. So tell me, are you ready to support the rights of citizens to have those weapons since the court has ruled on that?
William Mays
7:23 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
No, I'm not willing to support the "rights" of those citizens, because their rights to own a gun often take away other people's right to live.
Curt Carnes
8:38 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Billy -- My right or anyone else's right to own a gun has not taken any one's life. In fact, it has probably saved many life. But, if you seriously think guns kill people, then you must think too, my kyebaord just misspell that word!
Long Time Resident
10:00 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
So let me see if I undeerstand this correctly. You embrace a courts decision as right and just when you agree with that decision, but you object to the U. S. Supreme courts decision on the rights of citizens to own guns. How do you defend that? Isn't that a bit hypricital?
It's not a question of your supporti the "rights" of those citizens, the courts have decided their rights to own a gun. And your belief that legal gun owners often take away other people's right to live may be true but far many more guns that are not legal are involved in killing than legal guns. And if you would like I can site for you many situations where an armed citizen saved a persons life including a police officer.
William Mays
10:09 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I was not aware that semi-automatic weapons were part of a case that went to the Supreme Court, a lower court's ruling, yes I can dispute that. Curt, there is no need for someone to own an assault rifle. I can see why someone would want a pistol to defend themselves with, to keep at home, and thats fine with me. It is dangerous and unreasonable to allow people to buy huge clips of ammo and rifles that fire a huge amount of shots per minute. If people weren't allowed to obtain these types of guns, incidents like the one in Aurora or Virginia Tech wouldn't have happened. Guns are an accomplice to crimes.
Long Time Resident
10:50 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Mr. Mays,
I find it very telling that you would decide on your own what court rulings are justifiable and right and others are not. This country was founded on the rule of law, not opinion. I sincerely hope you are not an elected official since you feel that you know better than the people who are charged with making legal decisions from the courts that are imposed on all of us. I accept and support the Judges ruling that struck down the voter ID laws, even though I disagree with that decision.
It is clear to me that you think you know better than everyone else, which I doubt is the case. You do not want to own a weapon. That is fine, that is your right, but you also want to deny everyone else the right, granted by the constitution, to own weapons, which is clearly wrong.
I would argue that if more people were allowed to obtain handgun carry permits incidents like the one in Aurora or Virginia Tech, or even the Fort Hood shooting may well have been avoided or minimized.
William Mays
11:19 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Yes, because people shooting at each other in crowded theater full of smoke and people running around is a great idea, just as great an idea as people shooting at each other in a classroom full of people running around and panicking.
Curt Carnes
11:27 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Well then Mr. Mays, I trust you will stand with me to take all the now legal forms of alcohol out of society too. Let's face facts. No one needs a 30 pack, or a fifth of whisky. But those large qualities were clearly and documented to be responsible for 42 drunken driving deaths in America just today. There will be another 42 tomorrow and 42 after that and so on and so forth.
Believe me. I fear a drunk driver a heck of a lot more then someone with an auto, or semi-automatic weapon.
Also, and I'm sorry to be so blunt. But if a person is intent on killing others, that person will find a way, with or without a gun. I believe if you search history, not too long ago, you'll find over 900 people were killed in one afternoon by a grape flavored drink, mixed with cyanide, and Valium!
BTW that 900 stands as the largest mass murder in history!
William Mays
11:31 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
You can't really kill someone else with alcohol, now can you? Not a large group of people at least.
Long Time Resident
7:24 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Mr. Mays,
If your concern is about Americans being killed then you should be very concerned about cars and trucks. More Americans, between 30,000 and 40,000, are killed annually by car and truck accidents then are killed with guns. By contrast all guns were responsible for 8,734 deaths in 2010. This information is from the FBI - see link below.....
Knives were responsible for 1,700 deaths in 2010. Handguns were responsible for 5,973 deaths in 2010 while rifles, including semi-automatic assualt rifles, were only responsible for 357 deaths in 2010. So your arguement about semi-assualt rifles is a bit weak. 745 people were killed by other people with their hands, fists & feet in 2010 more than double those killed by assualt rifles. I think you may need to educate yourself a bit more about the facts rather than just accept others talking points and following blindly what someone else says. I hope this information helps you understand the facts about giuns better.
James Bombace
8:31 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
You are 20 times more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than someone with an assualt semi-automatic rifle. Clearly even you can see that by the information Long Time Resident has provided. Looks to me like your arguement against guns has been blown away......pun intended.
Facts are a horrible thing when they aren't on your side!
4:58 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Condoleeza Rice was wonderful. If you missed her oration its one of the best ever given at a political convention. She's inspiring!
William Mays
5:01 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Too bad the Republicans don't believe in half the stuff she talked about.
5:50 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
You know what was even more wonderful? When she sat in front of the 9/11 Commission and when asked about the now-infamous August 6 Presidential Daily Briefing titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US", she breezily referred to it as a "historical document." And it was really swell when she 100% supported a war based on lies. That's SO inspiring..... /snark
5:02 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
If you listened to his speech it would be clear that he is setting himself up for a 2016 run. He will be out in the cold if Romney wins the election because he supported Romney early and vigorously. If Romney gets 8 years-Christie will be a memory-he is not charismatic or smart enough to have staying power. This guy must be secretly hoping for an Obama win so his White House aspiraitons don't die in 2012.
William Mays
5:05 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Don't underestimate Christie. He is smarter than most of the Republicans out there. He still hasn't bowed down to that Tea Party bs.
David Comora
5:21 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Hard to listen to Conde Rice talk about policing the world and then talk about the perils of running up the national debt. Maybe my memory isn't short enough! Would have like to see her photo visiting with her friend Colonel Gaddafi among the other world leader photos that were displayed. Amazed Christie waited 17 minutes before mentioning Romney and Ryan. Amazed he contradicted Anne Romney on the "Love" theme. As far as I'm concerned, Ryan is the Star so far... he may have had a lot of factual errors during his speech, but he demonstrated the most charisma of any of the 4 candidates that I've seen (obama, biden, romney, ryan). Lets see what tonight brings...
Crafty Spiker
6:09 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Yeah, "charisma" is what I look for in a world leader.
5:40 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
According to Billy Mays, Obama is the ticket if you want another four years of endless manipulation of facts that surmount to lies - just like Corzine. Let's keep him and his pathetic administration from doing any more harm.
Ridgewood Dad
9:27 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Well let me just throw in my 2 cents here! Why is exactly that we are listening to some gelatinous blob of a man, who sits in his office all day eating fried mayonnaise balls. He likes balls for gods sake. Help us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8:45 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Have another drink. Hope you aren't teaching your kids this kind of rhetoric or grammar. If looks are everything I guess you will be voting for Romney, right?
Frank Santagata
12:01 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
At my age it takes a whole lot of misinformation and downright lies to get my dander up; however in reading some of the comments in this blog I feel the need to address the issues with some truths.
No one in this country is denied the right to vote. In the inner cities such as New York and Philadelphia and in the suburban cities of Newark, Paterson, and Camden and so on, voter registration is no more than a few blocks from where most people live. You need to have the desire to vote and make the imitative to get to one of the places without being bribed or lead to the registration area. Voter fraud is an issue that hurts the election results and happens more frequently than some bloggers here have quoted.
The second amendment was designed to protect the individual from our own government and any invading or hostile jester towards our great country. It guarantees the right to bear and carry arms to this end. There are NO further comments needed, and all this anti gun propaganda is unbelievable. Guns never will on their own harm a single person, what harms people is people!!!
William Mays
12:22 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Since you seem so sure that voter fraud happens a lot, why don't you produce the money that all those elderly minorities will have to pay up to get their birth certificates so they can get an ID. By the way, they need to get the ID at the DMV, not at voter registration places. Guns are an accomplice to crimes, in our law system, accomplices are jailed too.
Nucky Thompson
8:50 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Frank, stick to writing about fishing and hunting, you're pretty good at that. This is definitely not your forte!
Frank Santagata
12:01 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
As for the birth certificate issue, my personal belief is that it should have been produced and authenticated by and independent source to end the controversy.
Obama and Holden should be held in contempt, because of the "Fast and Furious" Issue. Mexico was flooded with Guns (sold) by our government into Mexico in an attempt to show that guns were involved in killings in Mexico. The gun dealers who sold these guns DID NOT WANT TO DO SO!!! They were told by our government to sell the guns. These illegal sales resulted in the Killing of one of OUR OWN AGENTS with these guns. Obama and Holden have refused to cooperate in the investigation, resulting in contempt of congress charge being levied on Holden by congress. This alone should be a ground for impeachment of Obama, we impeached Nixon and he didn't kill anyone.
I will gladly respond to any intelligent comments on these issues!!!!
This post is not designed nor intended to start more arguments and issues, I just want people to look at all sides before making harmful, hurtful statements.
And I also use my real name in the post that I make, because I don't need the anonymity of a pseudo name. I believe in what I say and am fair in my views!!!
William Mays
12:25 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
If you want Obama to be impeached for the death of that agent, don't you think Bush should be put in jail for all those young men and women that died as a result of the two wars that he started? One of which he started by LYING to Congress?
8:57 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
"As for the birth certificate issue, my personal belief is that it should have been produced and authenticated by and independent source to end the controversy."
How is the Hawaii Dept of Health NOT an independent source??? They verified Obama's birth certificate long before he was even elected. If you were paying attention, you would have realized that the controversy was ended four years ago.
2:29 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
You want people to respond intelligently yet you lead by perpetuating more nonsensical hogwash about the birth certificate? Interesting...in the case "Fast and Furious," the Justice Department actually declared those gun sales completely legal, thus the reason no charges have been filed. Obama did absolutely nothing illegal or impeachable, and neither did Holder. This was actually a Bush program that was planned, authorized and implemented under Bush, continued under Obama. And let's get real here, the Contempt of Congress charge was 100% politically motivated to make Obama look bad. If you can't see that then you are just a Republican calling the kettle black. If the republican controlled congress had anything remotely close to a tidbit that could be used to impeach Obama, you don't think they would have done it in a heartbeat? Hell, they tried to impeach Clinton because he lied about a completely legal, private act.
You are entitled to your opinion with regards to policy and political affiliation, but don't troll around on issues like the birth certificate and fast and furious to make it sound like those are real issues facing the country. Energy, environment, healthcare, economic growth, immigration, education: all major issues that we should be debating and discussing. This Bain Capital/Birth Certificate/F&F crap is a distraction and a waste of time. Intelligent respones, HAH! What a joke, I'm glad we all know who you are now...knucklehead.
Dan Grant
8:40 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Back to the Keynote Speaker. I ran against Christie in his first elected office. He was a part of an insurgent team in the Republican Party in Morris County and he Jack O'Keefe and Michael Dedio had beaten the established Republicans in a primary. Within a month of taking office Christie had declared himself for Assembly saying he had accomplished all he wanted to as a Freeholder. The only thing that lasted longer than his term in office was a defamation suit against him because of his shoot from the lip style and after one term he was bounced out. Having failed at that he took another route and became a bundler for Bush and a Bush Pioneer raising a lot of money. That earned him the position of US Attorney which put him back it the limelight. He is like a heat seeking missle in regard to his own ambition and an odd choice for Keynote Speaker. NJ has a 9.8 percent unemployment rate, one of the worst in the nation. His policies have largely been failure. Property taxes continue to rise as he inflicts more pain on municipalities of NJ. It is absdolutely clear from his speech that his interests lie in a Romney loss and his shot at the Presidency.
8:55 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Interesting comment, Dan. I was not aware of that history, so will research it. When Christie gave his "key bloat" speech, I wondered if he'd forgotten Mitt Romney was there! The TV showed the Romneys' faces during the speech--smiles over gritted teeth! Thanks for the insight.
10:31 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Clint Eastwood was funny, but was it appropriate? The lead up to the Eastwood was all family and morals, and such, and then he gets up there and then puts on a comedy act with impled vulgarity. Now yes, it was funny, but not really in the mold of the evenings events. And, I forget which channel I was watching, either CNN or Fox, but someone stated BEFORE Clint Eastwood's speech that "...you can be sure that Clint Eastwood's remarks were vetted...". Now if this is true, it is really a surprise the Mitt Romney approved the content of his speech.
Clint Eastwood aside, I was very pleased with what I heard about Mitt Romney, because I didn't know about all the things he had done, and he's an admirable guy.
10:37 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Clint, good director decent actor but should have stayed home in this case.
Concerned Parent 1
11:42 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Ricky you are right...I meant to say Mitt Romney 2012...Chris Christie 2020!!!
2:59 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
A serious question to any Life Insurance Actuaries out there: What are the statistical odds that Chris Christie will still be around to run for office in 2016 or 2020?
Nucky Thompson
4:12 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
You know what was really in that empty chair next to Eastwood last night? It was his career! I only thought he "played" angry old men in the movies but now it's clear that's what he is in real life. It's sad when you're washed up and aren't with it enough to realize it. Clint, it's back to Carmel you. Maybe some repug job creator can use you in Customer Service.
Dan Grant
6:24 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Many actors are lousey speakers. Who knows how many takes Eastwood had to do to get that Iconic line "Make My Day." line. His body of work both as an actor and a director is great but just like Mel Gibson he should not be allowed out in public. I wonder when the last time Ann Romney heard someone make reference to doing that kind of impossible act to oneself. There was so much "Queen for a day" in the rest of the speeches I was waiting for George Carlin to be brought back from the grave and talk about his one legged single mom, hopping 38 miles one way to go to her job as a hot tar roofer so that he and his 19 brothers and 1 sister could have a better life in America.
Steve B
1:09 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
@ KMN - Romney leads in enough states to have 267 Electoral votes as of last week (pre-Convention bump). That includes leads in Florida, NC, Wisc, Iowa and Michigan. All Mitt needs now is to win NH or Colorado for the 270+ Electoral votes. That even if Romney does not win Ohio or Virginia.
Kevin Nedd
3:04 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Steve B,
Keep dreaming. RCP state poll averages show the President leading in MI, FL, WI, and IA. Mitt's lead in NC is only 0.7%.
Mitt's going down like a Lincoln Tunnel hooker during Fleet Week!
The Stig
3:18 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
The "No Tossups" map is a joke because there are so many states in play (and the pool keeps getting bigger as more states leave the "Lean Obama" category), and the longer that condition exists the worse it looks for any incumbent.
It's time for the Obamanites to start girding themselves for a big let-down in November. Or as Nedd likes to say, STFU!!!
Nucky Thompson
6:25 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I don't like the guy but I hope he didn't get hurt. Was his wife with him? How come Faux News didn't report the disaster? I guess they were too busy making stuff up!
Steve B
8:30 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Oooh. "Faux News". That's clever & original.
{end of sarcasm}
8:50 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Making stuff up? you don't even have the ingenuity to make up your own screen name!
Nucky Thompson
9:02 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Wow, that was creative! You must have been subject to oxygen deprivation at birth! Hope your parent sued the doctor!
9:23 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
We have a super-important presidential election in just a little over 2 mos., and you're criticizing a guy's screen name?!
BTW, Billy M.--I wholly support the 2nd Amendment. I went through a rigorous protocol to buy my gun. Law enforcement knows I have my gun. I have a permit and training and my gun is legal. If you or anyone else breaks into my house or attacks me or mine, I will shoot you. The tens of thousands of legal gun owners that make up the " citizen" army of the USA is a great deterrent to our being invaded by foreign enemies. The world knows we have guns and they fear that. Most criminals don't have legal guns. If you repeal the 2nd Amend., you will weaken the country. And there will still be thousands of illegal guns you have no way of tracking.
William Mays
10:13 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
OMG, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!! Seriously, no one is after you, calm down. Psychos like the ones at Aurora and Virginia Tech were able to legally obtain guns. The guy at Virginia Tech had a history of mental issues, and yet he bought a coupe of pistols that he used to take 30 lives. If they repealed the 2nd amendment, the ATF and Police could actually focus on finding illegal guns instead of sorting through documents trying to figure out whether someone owns a gun. No gun is made to be sold illegally. The market for legal guns is the reason why we end up having illegal guns.
7:32 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012
Do you have children? Any gun that is "at the ready" to be used if someone breaks into your house is by definition not safely stored. You are far more likely to end up shooting a member of your family than you are an intruder. Life isn't like the movies, where regular people are crackerjack shots in a crisis. Look at the recent shooting at the Empire State Building. 9 people were injured by bullets and fragments shot by police guns -- and they are TRAINED in crisis management in a way you are not.
Long Time Resident
8:27 am on Sunday, September 2, 2012
I have owned weapons (handguns and rifles) for 36 + years. I obtained these weapons during and after my service in the U.S Army and I did have children in my home when these weapons were in the house? You claim that:
"Any gun that is at the ready to be used if someone breaks into your house is by definition not safely stored. You are far more likely to end up shooting a member of your family than you are an intruder."
If your statement was even close to being accurate we would be hearing of Police Officers wives, kids and other family members being killed at home everyday. I can't rememer EVER hearing that happening or being reported.
The only corect thing you said was that was accurate and true was the Police are TRAINED in crisis management. You make the assumption that a citizen, who is not a Police Officer, can't have the same training. WRONG, in many cases a citizen can and does have the same weapons training as the Police. Additionally, some citizens are BETTER trained than our Police. You clearly need to educate your self about this issue.
10:57 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Not too worried about the Russians. No one is after us, are you kidding?! Tell that to all the people who died on 9/11! If you repealed the 2nd Amend., all guns would be illegal, there would be utter chaos and the police and ATF would be spending 24 hrs a day looking for them. Your last two sentences are non-sequiturs.
William Mays
11:21 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Yeah but a gun wouldn't have helped on 9/11. I think the 2nd amendment is fine, but assault rifles should be banned.
11:40 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I think a 6 yr old would know a gun wouldn't have helped on 9/11. My point was there is a whole world of America-haters out there who may think twice about invading us because of all the legally owned guns held by our citizens. The ubiquitous "they" say if someone wants to break into your house, they will find a way, no matter what safeguards you have. Do you really think if assault rifles had been banned, or handguns were illegal, that the VA Tech killer and others of his ilk, wouldn't have found a way, easily, to get those guns?
11:49 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
You can't kill a whole bunch of people with alcohol?! A drunk driver hitting or running a schoolbus off the road sure can! That drunk woman driving the wrong way on the Taconic last year killed 8 people--does that qualify as a bunch?! I'm with that other guy, I'm more afraid of drunk drivers than anyone with a gun!
William Mays
11:56 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
I meant intentionally kill people. People intentionally kill people with guns. And yeah, I think that it would have been hard for them to obtain guns.
12:15 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
You keep qualifying your statements.
I think we're done, we have different opinions and neither is going to change the other's. And I think illegal guns are as easy to get as illegal drugs--just ask any cop, I did.
William Mays
12:17 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
You know, in Europe, guns are much harder to come by, their murder rates are much lower than ours.
Nose Wayne
8:40 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Guns don't kill people. Stupid,off my meds,spiteful,revengeful,paybacking, mental history people kill people. Read the stats !!!!
Dan Grant
8:44 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Gun killings aren't just much lower, they are hundreds of times lower. Every gun used in a crime started as a legal gun sale. You have hundreds of Gun Stores in Az where laws are very lax and at gun shows where laws are non-existant that flow into Mexico every day. You can buy all the amunition over the internet without anyone laying eyes on you. It is a terrible situation for an Civil Society and someday we might become one.
2:43 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Dan--I have no idea what you just said. Are you for or against the 2nd amendment? And what is a "Civil Society?"
And Billy, those off-their-meds, mental people would obtain those guns, legal or not, anyway they could, because they are determined to commit the act.
Kevin Nedd
3:31 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
RCP's no toss up state projection is a snapshot of what is most likely to happen if the election were held today. Another good source of where things now stand can be found on NYT 538:
This source provides some good analysis behind the numbers.
The Stig
4:09 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Oh so wrong. It's what would happen if the elections were held the day of the polling (in some cases the polls are now weeks old, and in any event, the election is in NOVEMBER), the electorate in each state as a whole voted precisely as a handful of the people polled indicated they would vote, and the pollster got the demographics of the electorate precisely right (e.g., didn't overweight Dems, minorities, young voters, etc.).
That's a lot of "Ifs," and it's why pollsters have this thing called the Margin of Error! When that's taken into account, Obama can safely say that right now he is well short of the electoral votes needed to be sworn back in next January.
As for the "538" page on the Liberal NYT's website, Mr. Silver has to fill a lot of column inches so he gives us ample amounts of his Liberal POV on the polling. After the election, much like many of the Liberal prognosticators, he'll be telling us how he and all the pollsters never quite saw the Romney victory coming until it was too late.
P.S. I love how any polling that shows Romney in the lead means that it's a Republican leaning poll. Bias, not a chance!
Kevin Nedd
5:09 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Here is an interesting point of view that incorporates the two sources we have been discussing:
3:59 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Are there a lot of hookers in the Lincoln Tunnel, KMN? I guess you would know from personal experience?
Kevin Nedd
4:16 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
No personal experience here, but having once worked on 34th and 10th Ave., it was kinda hard not to notice them patrolling the streets iso truckers looking for a quickie.
James Bombace
7:08 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Academics predict economy will drive a HUGE Romney victory
Using a state-by-state analysis of unemployment and per-capita income, academics Kenneth Bickers and Michael Berry of the University of Colorado project that Romney will win 52.9% of the popular vote and 320 electoral votes. The political scientists discuss their findings here.
Their forecast suggests that President Obama will lose in almost all of the swing states, including North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida.
But Bickers said much of the polling thus far means relatively little, with much of the electorate still not focused on the race. The academics said their model focuses on the preeminent issue of the economy. Applied retrospectively, the model predicts the correct winner in every presidential contest going back to 1980, they said.
Kevin Nedd
10:44 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Of course the model, applied "retroactively" picked the winners since 1980. Yeah right! How does the model factor in the weakness and ineptitude of the Romney/Ryan ticket.
I mean really, Mitt builds his whole campaign around how a president must have "business experience". Yes....ladies and gentlemen, it's a must have in order to understand how the economy works. And just to prove how critical it is for a president not have business experience, Romney picked a 42 year old career politician, with no business experience, as his running mate. You can't make this stuff up!
Mitt Romney, for it....before he was against it!
Kevin Nedd
7:48 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Another example of Mitt being for something, before he was against it!
Kevin Nedd
10:35 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Oh...and before I hear how Rolling Stone Mag is a left wing liberal rag, the story has enough legs to be covered by The Economist:
Alan Sanders
11:41 pm on Sunday, September 2, 2012
I think that the U.S. Defense budget is more than the sum of all the defense budgets of all the other nations in the world. Justifying owning guns to protect against invasion by another country is ridiculous. There are a number of states where owning guns are deep parts of the culture. Their stats on guns saving people, saving police, deterring home invasions should give a good read on whether owning guns has those benefits - I do wonder, and I do doubt it. Guns alone don't kill people, but wacky people with guns do. And, whether drunk or careless drivers are more of a menace than killers with guns, is irrelevant. The question is whether guns are more of a menace than a salvation. Nevertheless, face it, people love to shoot for fun, we're wired to love hitting a target with a gun or a basketball. Most people who want to be able to own guns, want to have their fun. These are my unresearched personal opinions.
V. Scheurich
5:16 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
What America is going to get when and if The President gets another 4 years.
E-mail him and ask him if it is true because it is. You will not get an answer to your question. This has all been fact checked and is true.
Crafty Spiker
6:58 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
As a comment on youtube noted - we have a president, not a king. The real silliness starts and pretty much ends with the Congress. Fact check that.
Kevin Nedd
7:39 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
The fact that you used Dick Morris as your source speaks volumes with respect to the lack of credibility of your point. The man is a hypocritical idiot. See below:
The Stig
8:24 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Wow, a NYT's story from 1996. Great rebuttal. The better question is why the guy the Dems really adore, WJC, kept using him, or why NOW wouldn't denounce him. They're the real hypocrites.
Kevin Nedd
9:07 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Does the fact the story was written in 1996, make the facts any different. Time does not make the facts or events change.
Where is there evidence Clinton continuing to use Morris after he resigned as an advisor in 1996? As for why he hasn't denounced him, while that's a question for Clinton to answer, it probably has to do with not needing to kick a dog while he is down.
As for hypocritical behavior, Morris' action since leaving the Clintons fit the bill. No pun intended.
The Stig
11:25 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
I didn't say WJC should denounce him. Reread my comment and the article. And if he had considered it, he probably thought of all the scanks he was "doing" and thought, there but by the grace of God . . .
Lest we forget one of the most famous lines of our lifetime, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman . . " What a wonderful guy to stand up and vouch for you!
Kevin Nedd
11:40 pm on Saturday, September 8, 2012
Sorry, I misread your use of the term "NOW" as an emphasis on the present, as opposed to the National Organization of Women.
As for your remarks on Clinton, again 60+% of American seem to have moved on. But then again, I can understand why marital infidelity might be a subject that's a little to close to home for you.
The Stig
1:03 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
I think you've confused me with some of the losers you know in LV.
As for Clinton, he's proven he'll say or do anything, including lie with impunity, to sway public opinion.
It's also sad that a sitting President has to haul a retread out of semi-retirement to bolster his re-election chances. I guess he's determined that the people won't vote for him based on his weak record, so why not run on the "Renaissance" Years of the Clinton Presidency.
As the memory of the recent convention fades, and all America is left with is the reality of a weak economy that Obama's policies have failed to revive, his ratings will sink and he can start to call around to see who's available to move his stuff out of the WH this coming January.
James Bombace
5:16 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
In 1980, Reagan looked unelectable. All the way to election day, when a final-week surge led to a 10-point landslide.
Gallup polling today put Obama ahead of Mitt Romney by 4 points after the godless DNC Convention.
Back in 1980 Gallup had Jimmy Carter up over Ronald Reagan by 4 points in mid to late September… And, Carter was up 8 points in October. In fact there was a published Gallup poll showing Carter up six among likely voters in a poll conducted Oct. 24 to 27.
Ronald Reagan ended up winning by 9 points and taking 44 states.
With Independent voters supporting Romney in large numbers Romney will repeat the Reagan Landslide and may even win by more than 10 points.
Kevin Nedd
5:24 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
The difference for Reagan is he led Carter by some 30 points after the GOP convention. Romney has never led the President. I would suggest you read Nate Silver's blog for more insight. The link is listed in a posting below this one.
James Bombace
6:40 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
I suggest you might educate yourself also by reading at the website below....
Kevin Nedd
5:16 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
As the convention fades...Mitt Romney is faced with the reality of an incumbant President pulling away in Gallup and Rasmussen approval ratings, head to head polling, and Nate Silver's 538 blog model projections.
Mitt had his chance and couldn't close the sale. Unlike Mitt, the President is enjoying a sizable bump.
Unlike Mitt, the data does not lie.
James Bombace
6:50 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
Unlike Obama and Mitt, the data does not lie.....there I fixed that for you.
No need to thank me.
7:34 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
I believe that there is a strong possibility that none of the above will win.
Kevin Nedd
8:40 pm on Sunday, September 9, 2012
Seems the Romney camp is finally conceding a point I have been making for months:
Kevin Nedd
2:09 am on Monday, September 10, 2012
Even the neocons over at the WSJ are waking up to the fact Mitt's EC chances are dim:
The Stig
2:44 am on Monday, September 10, 2012
The WSJ editorial page is Conservative, the reporting side of the house is not.
As for the polls, there are now more states in play than ever. Obama is weak and there's still two months to go till election day. As much as you try to make an Obama victory look inevitable, it is far from over. Aloha Mr. Hand.
Kevin Nedd
3:14 am on Monday, September 10, 2012
It's over. You're just one of the last ones to admit it.
8:29 am on Monday, September 10, 2012
The Mitt-o-matons should take heart. If Obama gets an EC win without a popular vote win, they can spend the next four years screeching about he's not a legitimate president because he didn't win a majority of the popular vote...and in true conservative fashion, they can conveniently forget that their hero George W. Bush was in very much the same situation, only he needed the Supreme Court to get his EC win for him.
Paul Corrigan from West Orange
8:55 am on Monday, September 10, 2012
I will welcome the defeat of Obama this November. Promoting class warfare is no way to unite a country.
8:57 am on Monday, September 10, 2012
Data may not lie but it certainly can be twisted to your own advantage.
stewart resmer
4:07 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
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Calling a plan to build a casino on the footprint of America's bloodiest domestic battle site a "national disgrace," the head of the nation's largest veterans organization urged Pennsylvania officials to quash the project and protect the sanctity of Gettysburg.
In reasoning for his recommendation, The American Legion's National Commander Clarence E. Hill reflected on the historical significance of the field where 160,000 Union and Confederate troops fought and nearly 8,000 died.
"When Abraham Lincoln dedicated the cemetery at Gettysburg, he said, '...we cannot dedicate - we cannot consecrate - we cannot hallow - this ground,'" Hill said. "Lincoln recognized then that it was beyond the power of men and women to consecrate this land any more than had already been done by the brave men who struggled there. Surely, he nor anyone else envisioned that someday this cemetery would be proposed as the site for a gambling hall."
Although the proposal advanced by a Gettysburg business developer would place the casino a half mile from the 6,000-acre Gettysburg National Military Park, preservationists point out that the site would be next to where Union cavalry advanced toward the South Cavalry field – a substantial scene of the fighting. It is also believed that there are a number of soldiers buried in this area in unmarked graves.
"The battlefield actually encompassed a greater area than is currently designated as a military historical site. In order to show the proper respect, we believe that something as frivolous as a casino should be much more than a half mile away," Hill said. "We need to be sensitive to the fact that this is a hallowed resting place and its tranquility should be preserved as much as possible."
The Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board (PGCB) hopes to reach a decision before the end of the year after a series of public meetings.
Hill pointed out that this consideration comes at a time where the remains of American heroes buried at Arlington National Cemetery have also been disrespected through a series of malfeasance by government officials.
"At least at Arlington National Cemetery, the desecrations were done in error and out of poor judgment," he said "There is no way that The American Legion or the American people - especially her veterans - will stand by and let the memory and meaning of Gettysburg National Military Park be besmirched by this misbegotten plan to erect a casino in proximity to this hallowed ground."
Peter Gaytan, executive director of the Legion's Washington office, will appear at 9:30 a.m. EST today on Fox News Channel to discuss the proposed casino.
Officials with The American Legion encourage veterans and other concerned Americans to register their opposition to the project by calling the PGCB or by attending the next public hearing. The number to the PGCB is (717) 346-8300. The hearing will be at the Gettysburg Comfort Suites Inn at 10 a.m., Aug. 31. The address for the meeting is 945 Baltimore Pike in Gettysburg, Pa.
Whose lame-brained idea was this? Obviously it has to be someone who has no sense of partiotism. Is this another example of our politicians trying to grease their own palms?
As Past Commander of Gettysburg A.L Post 202, I was shocked to read the casino condemnation! It's obvious that the National Commander is not aware of the Adams County, PA economy and unemployment rate. He needs to visit and see the fast food restaurants, pizza shops, motels and hotels, souvenier shops, that directly border the National Cemetery, and the Field of Pickett's Charge. These sites were "desecrated" years ago by commercial entities. Our Post is neutral on the casino issue, as the national organization should be. No one loves the Battlefield or are more patriotic than our members. We decorate the National Cemetery every Christmas and many battlefield guides are AL members. The hotel (proposed casino site)was the base for 35,000 bikers here 3 weekends ago. No one complained about the noise pollution in the Park. The hangup is in the word "casino".
With all due respect to Mr. Sutton, saying that some past 'desecration' is support for future, more blatant desecration is shameful. As far as the 35,000 bikers go, I was in Gettysburg during a previous bikers' weekend and the constant, 24 hour, 3 day noise was deafening. I had heard reports that the constant vibration was actually loosening mortar on some historic buildings. We could not sleep. My complaints to the city government went unanswered. We have not been back since.
the men who fought there were fighting for freedom.
Let the people be free to do what they want.
those men would not object to a new business being built there, i can guarantee you that...
In light of American Legion National Commander Clarence E. Hill's statement condemning the proposed casino project in Cumberland Township I feel compelled to issue a rebuttal. The American Legion is a non-partisan organization of United States veterans. While the proposal is not political, in and of itself, it has taken on political overtones within the community. If Commander Hill was speaking as a private citizen, he should make that clear. If he was speaking for the American Legion, he should have--at the very least--traveled to Adams County and consulted with local Post commanders and members to obtain a sense of where we stand on the issue.
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Every veteran is an individual and entitled to his or her own opinion on the subject. I will not presume to speak for my Post (Ira E. Lady Memorial Post 262, Biglerville, PA) but I will speak for myself as a veteran, post commander, history teacher and citizen of Adams County. As a veteran, I served my country in order that individuals may pursue their dreams. As a post commander, I am neither for nor against the proposal. As a history teacher (with a full understanding of, and appreciation for, the Civil War victory won at Gettysburg) I say to the self-proclaimed "purists" who decry the plan as disgraceful or disrespectful, look at the myriad of tee-shirt and souvenir shops. Surely they were not part of the landscape during the Battle of Gettysburg. They exist for one reason--economic gain. Like it or not, "Gettysburg" is a tourist attraction with a full complement of retail establishments, not just a sacred battlefield and national cemetery.
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. As a citizen of Adams County, I fully support Mr. LeVan's proposal to convert the Eisenhower Inn into a slots resort. The economic benefit that it potentially represents for Adams County is extremely desirable in this era of recession and 8% unemployment. The resort will provide sorely needed jobs which will, in turn, result in taxes paid to the Commonwealth and local municipalities. Additionally, a portion of the income earned by the casino will be provided to the municipal government at a time when state funding is being reduced.
Commander Hill has spoken out of turn. It would honor the American Legion for him to either retract his comments or qualify them as personal and not the official stand of the American Legion.
-Melissa A. Tschida, Commander
Ira E. Lady American Legion Post 262
Biglerville, PA
How can you presume to speak for the local posts and also the citizens of Adams County? You have managed to cheese off a lot of us veterans and there is talk about a bunch of sending our cards to you. I am a 67 year old Navy veteran and my wife and I own a home in Gettysburg that we are being taxed out of. We are getting to the point where we will have to sell our home of many years and move. For your information, 49% of the property owners in Gettysburg pay 100% of the taxes because of all of the non-profits that DO NOT pay tax. My wife and I are proud members of this club.
We need tax relief and the casino will help us greatly with lower taxes, and more jobs. How can you or anyone that does not live here assess what we need or do not need. It is none of your business, and it certainly is none of National's business either. If you want to see disgrace, visit Steinwehr Ave (tourist section) and see what businesses are located there. The KFC is located ON Pickett's Charge.
With all due respect Commander Hill, you are "off base". You obviously have no knowledge of this proposal or the fact this endeavor is to be placed in an existing hotel which has been zoned commercial for 40 years, and it is not on the "National Battlefield". I think it is a "National Disgrace" that the American Legion would even take a political stand on something they know little about. Shame on you. When my membership is up for renewal, I will pass on the "biased" organization.
I can see that the American legion Commander has been duped into taking a stance on an issue that he knows nothing about. If I were not a lifetime resident of Gettysburg I would have read his article and been as irate as he seems to be. Fortunately I live here and know the true facts, not those being passed out by groups like the Civil War Preservation Trust and No Casino groups.
The proposed site is an existing hotel that was built almost 40 years ago. It is NOT in the National Cemetery, as Commander Hill's comment leads you to think
As a member and Past Commander of the Gettysburg Legion I feel that our national organization should not have gotten involved in or at least not made any statements on an issue until they investigated the facts. The local post has remained neutral on this subject due to the sensitivity of the issue in the area and so should the National Commander.
Flip Fazenbaker
Catherine of Siena once said, "Every evil, harm and suffering in this life comes from the love of riches."
It is very disappointing that the local post did not stand up to oppose this crass desecration of hallowed ground instead of relinquishing its honor for a few pieces of silver. No American would decry a community for its desire to bring in additional revenue, but Gettysburg is not just a local community - it is a sacred national shrine. If the area is that desperate for revenue, bring the Casino to the county---about 15 miles away from the battlefield.
Kudos to National Commander Hill for standing up against this...and the scandal at Arlington!
I feel this is as bad if not worse than putting a Mosque at Ground Zero! What happened to common sense? GREED is the answer. Hallowed Ground is what Lincoln called Gettysburg. HAS THAT CHANGED!?! I want someone's ASS to kick!
Casinos still play to people's baser nature. You will attract low life's and the quality of life in your area with be impaired. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Gettysburg PA is not the place for a Casino. I live in California and all the Indians have 'em. Don't you have a nice Reservation you can DUMP a casino on? How about Hersey Park? General John Fulton Reynolds is a relative of mine, and died on Day 1. Hope you don't put a parking lot where he fell.
I read that some veterans are thinking of leaving the Legion because of the national stance. Just want you to know that today I joined the American Legion because of your opposition to this national disgrace. The proposed Gettysburg Casino is an insult to our heritage and bad economic development. A recent article in the Hanover Evening Sun indicated that the casino with the million dollar guarantee would provide $52.50 in property tax relief to homeowners assuming none of the money was used for social costs. Unfortunately, for the casino to succeed, according to the casino investors, local residents have to lose $1284. at the casino. Most of this leaves the county as taxes to Harrisburg and investor returns. The diversion of this much money from the local economy will result in the loss of hundreds of jobs, making the whole thing a net drain on the local economy. This is a bad idea on so many levels.
As a 42 year member of the Gettysburg AL Post 202 I am truly disgusted that our National Commander would take sides on a local issue and do so without contacting any local AL Posts. I would like to invite him to visit Post 202 (who have not taken a public stance) and get input from the members. As a 66 year lifelong resident of Gettysburg I have an opinion on the proposed Casino, but I would not use the American Legion to further that opinion. Our National Commander should use better judgement as to what and who is a "disgrace".
Please excuse me, but I see it as a disgrace for Commander Hill to make such a statement and take such a stand without consulting the local post. Is he aware that the local post have maintained neutrality because most have members on both sides of this issue?
Is he aware that the local unemployment is the highest it has been in 25 years, and that many of those unemployed are veterans who would like to have some of the jobs that will be offered.
Is he aware that we just had a local property assessment and some people will see a tax increase next year of as much as 300%, and some of these are veterans who could use the tax relief?
Is he aware that this is an existing building with no change in the foot print, only improvements to the building and the saving of 100 jobs that currently exist there?
Is he aware that this building can't be seen from any place on the battlefield, or from any of the tour routes?
Where did he get this crap that this casino is any place clos
Comrades Tschida and Sutton have up-close-and-personal views of the local economic impact of the casino project. They speak eloquently of the issue, and its divisive nature.
National Commander Hill, has the responsibility to see this issue as a national one, with local impact.
There have been times when each of us have had to make sacrifices for the nation. Most, if not all, would gladly do so again.
I have only recently became a member of the Civil War Preservation Trust. My memories of Gettysburg include numerous visits during the summer of 1964, at the impressionable age of 7, a brief visit in 1978 and tours with my school-age daughters in 1998 and 1999. I did not find my perception diminished by subsequent visits. This project could change that.
Gettysburg and the surrounding area remain a national treasure. Commander Hill has spoken (correctly in my view) on an issue with national repurcussions. We expect him do do so.
Keith Ullman, Post 390, Wellington, FL
Thousands of Americans from many states gave their lives in defense of the nation in 1863. Gettysburg belongs to the nation and not just Pennsylvania just as Bull Run battlefield does not only belong only to Virginia. It is distressing to read that members of the Legion are comfortable (God knoweth how!) with this blatant desecration of a most hallowed ground.
I would like to ask these people to read the Legion's charter especially the following:
These lines make it clear that the Legion is right and just to take a stand against the casino.
I would recommend those are comfortable with the casino reexamine their commitment to the Legion's ideals and leave and join gamblers anonymous.
Have you noticed that all the casino supporters are from Gettysburg and have a financial stake in the selling out of our War heroes - men who fought and gave their lives from all states in the Union and Confederacy? And don't buy the laugher from the Gettysburg post commander who says they are "neutral."
The fact that there are commercial businesses that have been in the area for years is a sad reflection of the performance of the Gettysburg Legionnaires who allowed it to happen. A casino would just compound their tragic dereliction.
Those who are offended by the National Commander's statement are simply in it for the bottom line.
They should remember that "Honor is not for sale."
It is not about greed. It is about jobs and tax relief. If this National Commander would have consulted the local Commanders he would have found out that this business is NOT on park land, but on privately owned, properly zoned land. It is going into an existing building that has house a business there for the last 40 years. The citizens of Adams County deserve the same rights as other US towns to grow and prosper. The so called "heritage tourism" for the Park is no longer paying the bills here. We need something else here to help our citizens have the same quality of life as other towns in the US. The casino will not be the end all be all but it will most definitely be a start!
Your heroes already have 6000 acres of tax exempt land in Adams County. Why should the local populace be kept from jobs and tax relief so other people have a vacation spot?
Great idea!! Why not a Starbucks right next to the Iwo Jima Memorial? How about a theme park right in the center of Arlington National Cemetery? Those ideas can provide jobs and tax relief to the local residents! And the nerve of our heroes for dying in that location and taking up 6,000 acres of your precious tax-exempt land!
My heroes are the living people in Adams County now that are struggling to survive. Again, the Park is already 6000 acres. How much more would you like? And what price are you willing to pay for it since the land in question is PRIVATE PROPERTY. What you are espousing is that private land adjacent to a national park has less rights and protections simply because of its location. As for Commander Hill's objection to gaming near hallowed ground seems mighty funny that he has no problem with the gambling that goes on at the local Legion.
It's odd that the Gburb Baseball Mom doesn't consider them "Our Heroes" -- fallen soldiers are simply "Your Heroes." Since in her world, private property rights are paramount, I suppose that eliminates all zoning. I'm sure she would be perfectly fine with her next door neighbors selling their home and using it as a strip joint. After all, it would provide jobs and raise tax revenue.
The proposed site of the casino is privately held and zoned properly. And no if my neighbor sold their property and it was zoned appropriately for a strip club I would have a choice to deal with it or to move. Not to shut it down because I personally did not agree with it. And the heroes from 1863 already have 6000plus tax exempt acres here in Adams County. Again, how much do you want for more? Don't the people living and working here deserve jobs and some tax relief?
It is beyond comprehension why the National Commander would even think of issuing such a statement. He has no clue about anything relating to a casino at Gettysburg. From the wording of the statement, it is apparent that he was given a pot of lies and misinformation by the Civil War Preservation Trust, and ate it all!!
This casino will not be BUILT. The structures already exist - the footprint will not change. The hotel, which is in failing condition, will be renovated. The casino will be in an existing building (also in failing condition) that now contains a pool hall, video arcade and indoor go-cart track. This building would also undergo extensive renovations to blend in with the surrounding scenery. It converts a pool hall and video arcade into a casino - where's the problem. The building in question is not even visable from the road.
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I cordially invite the Commander to visit Gettysburg. I will personally arrange for a licensed battlefield guide to accompany us to the proposed location to further clarify my statements. Just for the records, I am a longtime member of Legion Post 262 and am a home owner in Cumberland Township where the casino would be located.
The Commander should have done his own research on this issue instead of just relying on information being passed on by a very questionable source.
I anxiously await the Commander's reply to my invitation.
yes the supporters of the casino are local people. We know what is going one here. There is no sell out. this is in an existing building, that that is failing. It will be renovated and 100 jobs will be saved there, as well as up to 300 new jobs at the casino, and who knows how many more related jobs.
This location can't be seen from anyplace on the National Park, or from any of the tour routs used to tour the battlefield.
As to the analogy "what if they wanted to put a casino next to the USS Arizona Memorial Shrine?" Based on that statement I would be against it. But I would look into the story a bit more, and if I found out that "next to" was a half mile away and could not be seen from the memorial I would accept it. And if I found out that over 60 of the local people were in favor of it because they wanted/needed jobs, and other possible benefits. I would side with what the local people wanted.
Where was the National Commander or the American legion when in November, 1997 the National Park Service and the so called preservationist group, the Gettysburg Foundation partnered up to build a 220,000 square ft. building on 45 acres almost directly in the middle of the designated Gettysburg Battlefield? They justified the act of destroying 45 acres of battlefield by saying that that this part of the battlefield was only used as a staging area. It opened in 2008, complete whith Abraham Lincoln Bobble heads. This building, the visitor's center is closer to where Pickett made his famous charge then the proposed casino sight.
Where was the National Commander or the American Legion in the 1990's when companies started popping up all over Gettysburg charging visitors for ghost tours of Gettysburg. Every night hoards of tourists walk up and down the "hollow ground" of the streets of Gettysburg looking for the ghosts of the brave men who fought and died here.
Maybe if the locals had done their jobs for the last several decades and protected the tranquility of this Hallowed ground, there would be no KFCs, bobbleheads, etc, and it wouldn't be necessary for the National Commander to step in. It's all about greed. Honor should not have a price. The Gettysburg post should be ashamed.
How nice of Bill N. to decree that Adams County has done a bad job of protecting the National Park. If he feels he can do better maybe he should do something about being in charge. The Park Superintendent (the new one, not the porn viewing on our dime one) has stated that the casino will have no effect on the Park. I guess Bill N. thinks he knows more. I guess he also cares more about 147 years dead people than the living ones struggling to support their families in Adams County.
"147-years dead people"? I suppose they died and other veterans have served so even ingrates like you can spew your unpatriotic venom. Good luck in making a buck at the casino. I have nothing more to say to you.
You are an uninformed fool. I have no need for a job at the casino and yes the soldiers you are blathering about have been dead for 147 years. The living veterans in Adams County are some of the hardest hit economically here. They could use some tax relief. Maybe you should research the issue before you shoot off your big mouth. Kind of like the National Commander Clarence Hill, unless you are him.
Buddy you have no clue. I am a working single mother. How does that make me elitest? Anyone here that is elitest is you. You seem to think that you are more entitled to the American Dream than the populace of Adams County, PA for the simple fact that we are located next to a national park. You really should get a grip.
And me the unamerican one? Really? When I am the one that actually supports the freedom to open a legal business on privately owned properly zoned property? Not to mention that I am a proud JROTC mother. Get a clue.
I again, notice you have nothing to say about the local gambling near hallowed ground that goes on in the local Legions here in Gettysburg. Get real.
Oh, and please do stop addressing me. But that does not mean that when you trot out your ridiculous arguments for interfering in a local issue that I will not continue to call you on it.
Is Commander Hill aware that most of the Post in the Pennsylvania Department have small games of chance licenses? Yes legalized gambling in most of the Post. That is how many pay their bills.
Is he also aware that Albert J. Lentz Post 202 is actually ON the battlefield, no not the National Military Park, but on the battlefield?
Now doesn't he make us look like hypocrites? Yes it is acceptable for us have gambling in our post ON the battlefield, but we are against a private business that involves gambling CLOSE TO the National Park. Didn't most of our members fight for freedom? And that includes both freedom of speech as well as freedom of free enterprise.
Thank you commander for putting us in that light with our neighbors.
Viewing all these comments makes the issue crystal clear: It's all about Greed vs. Honor.
Thank God, most American veterans choose to honor our war dead, from any war, with dignity, not hard cash.
As a former member of the Gettysburg American Legion post, I did not renew my membership because of their stance FOR the casino. Their spokesperson, Richard Kitchner, stated that 9,000 veterans in Adams County support the casino (a lie) and also that the Civil War soldiers would be supportive of a casino. Obviously Kitchner, a veteran, knows nothing about American history or the history of Gettysburg. There is a document in the National Archives that asures that the Civil War veterans, themselves, did NOT want a casino at Gettysburg. How do we know this? Because it is documented that there was a casino here, and also a saloon and a brothel, east of Little Round Top. The veterans here for one of their reunions, were appalled at the existence of such vice on these hallowed grounds that they petitioned the government to remove same, and it was done without question! Thank you to the Legion commander for upholding the wishes of the veterans who actually fought here at Gettysburg.


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