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The revised guides are designed to encourage marketers to be truthful about claims they make about the environmental attributes of their products and services. And that should make it easier for consumers to understand the claims. The FTC issued the guides earlier this month after combing through more than 5,000 comments from consumers and marketers. The changes had been proposed in October 2010.
The guides include new sections on the use of carbon offsets, "green" certifications and seals, renewable energy and renewable materials claims. The guides are not rules or regulations, but they define what the agency may find deceptive.
A major change is a warning to marketers against making broad, unqualified claims that a product is environmentally friendly or "eco-friendly." The agency found that consumers thought that such claims suggested benefits far beyond the actual attributes of a product. Marketers also must have reliable scientific evidence to support the benefits claimed.
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This test uses sound waves to study the renal system. The renal system includes the kidneys, bladder, and ureters (the tubes that connect the kidneys to the bladder).
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The test is done to look for:
- Changes in the bladder wall
- Changes in kidney size or structure
- Kidney stone, cyst, mass, or other obstruction in the kidney
- Stones in the urinary tract
- Changes in the ureters
The test is also done to look at:
- Kidneys before doing a renal biopsy (removal of tissue from the kidney for exam)
- Blood flow to the kidneys (a Doppler ultrasound is used)
What to Expect
Prior to Test
- Your doctor may do a physical exam.
- You must have a full bladder for the test. Do not empty your bladder until after the ultrasound.
Description of Test
You will lie on a table. Your doctor will put a gel on your belly over your bladder and kidneys. The gel helps the sound waves travel between the machine and your body.
The ultrasound machine has a hand-held instrument called a transducer. It looks like a microphone or wand. The transducer is pushed against your skin where the gel was applied. The transducer sends sound waves into your body. The waves bounce off your internal organs and echo back to the transducer. The echoes are converted into images that are shown on a screen. The doctor examines the images. He may make a photograph of them.
After Test
The gel will be wiped from your belly.
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A radiologist will look at the images to make sure everything appears normal.
However, your doctor or radiologist might detect problems with your organs. He or she could also see blockage in the tubes. In this case, more tests may be done to find the exact problem and cause. Your doctor may also decide that the renal ultrasound provides enough information to make up a treatment plan for you.
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The PSP continues to be one of the most dominant paintball leagues in the world, but there will always be critics that disagree with the way some things are handled within the league itself. We've compiled a list of what we believe are some key points that the PSP could change in 2013, for the better of the players, spectators and the league as a whole.
1. 90 Second Swing Point Rule
[quote]"18.104.22.168.2. If the team has less than two active players left, or the penalty is a major or gross penalty assessed in the final 60 seconds of a match,
18.104.22.168.2.1. If a point is in progress, the point ends immediately, and
22.214.171.124.2.2. The opposing team scores one point,"
PSP Rule Book, [RaceTo-2 & RaceTo-4/5/7], September 18, 2012, [rev. 2], Pg. 12[/quote]
What is easily one of the most frowned upon rules in the PSP rulebook, the "swing point" rule should be completely eliminated, period. Many, including our own Mike Jeffrey and coach of Tampa Bay Damage, Paul Richards, have suggested solutions to fixing this problem. Personally, I am fond of the idea to replace the rule with something similar to the following: When a player is assessed a major penalty in the final 60 seconds of a match, he will serve 10 minutes in the penalty box. This 10 minutes will carry over into overtime, forcing the penalized team to play down one player. As Paul Richards stated, "Play of the game determines the outcome, not a rule."
2. Alter the World Cup Professional Bracket
Needless to say, San Diego Dynasty and Omaha Vicious fans were furious to see their teams win three games in the prelims and not move on to the finals. The addition of Edmonton Impact and Sacramento XSV to the PSP Pro bracket basically screwed things up and inevitably screwed some teams over. Omaha Vicious was easily playing the best paintball that we've seen them play their entire careers. Dynasty found their groove, something they've been searching for all year it seems, resulting in a win against Houston Heat (the #1 ranked team in the league). Coming off of three wins and just one loss in the prelims, it's hard to fathom the idea that your team won't take the field on Sunday morning.
If the World Cup bracket isn't limited to the normal 12 team cut-off, then there is another simple solution. Add a "Ocho Finals", just before the Quarter finals, which would ultimately allow 8 teams in the finals, similar to the Division 1 bracket (glance below to see the order of the proposed finals bracket). The two top performing teams (after calculating point spread), would be granted a 'bye' from the Ocho Finals and would resume play in the Quarter finals. Currently, the World Cup finals bracket is structured as if there were 12 teams instead of the allowed 14, which makes absolutely no sense. If you're going to allow two new teams to sign up to compete in the Pro division, please alter the way the finals are structured!
Ocho Finals* –> Quarter Finals –> Semi Finals –> Finals (*Ocho Finals would be the new addition)
3. Add Semi-Pro Division
Hats off to CEP for their strong-will, not breaking up after one of the worst seasons in professional paintball history. But a line has to be drawn somewhere. Aside from CEP, there are obviously going to be teams that are just not ready to play at the professional level, yet they are allowed the opportunity. Bringing back the Semi-Pro division would allow those under-performing professional teams a chance to drop down in competition and rebuild. Which would in turn, allow another top Semi-Pro team to take their place. What do you do when a professional team continues to come in last place, in every tournament, two years in a row? Allow them to continue in the pro ranks, being every teams "easy win"? No, make a Semi-Pro division and give another team a shot! On top of this, it wouldn't hurt to cap the number of professional teams at 10-12 teams for every season either.
4. More Dorito Side Coverage
PSP/PBA finally adjusted their lack of coverage on the dorito side during World Cup. Where was this coverage prior to World Cup? Most of the key moves that have been made throughout the year have been on the dorito side. Now that PBA has touted the ability to have minimal dorito action coverage, the fans are hungry for more! When Marcello Margott or Jacob Edwards runs down the field to shoot three people in under a minute, I want to be in the action and jump out of my seat in excitement! Granted, there are multiple things going on at a time during a paintball match, so it can be difficult to have one focal point on the dorito side. The only thing that I propose is that the dorito side get half the exposure that the snake side receives in events. (Not to take anything away from PBA's coverage of events, we believe they have done a great job of providing the fans with great coverage at events).
5. Penalty Boxes in Division 1 Play
Currently, Division 1 play is the step just before you enter the pro ranks. When a team earns a major or minor penalty, the player must exit the field instead of entering a penalty box. If the Division 1 players are preparing themselves for the next level, why shouldn't they be granted the option for a penalty box? When a team earns a major or minor penalty, the player must exit the field. Who doesn't want to see some of the most skilled players in the world (apart from the pro's) step out of a penalty box blazing their guns in a last ditch effort to preserve the chances of their team winning the match?
These are just a few additions we believe would ultimately improve a great league. What are some of your opinions on these additions? Do you agree with our opinions? If not, what would you change, if anything?
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There are over 5 teams that currently do not play in the PSP that would be interested in a spot in the Semi-Pro division that we know of. There are several teams in Division 1 that would be interested in a spot as well. And PSP's newly added bunkers this year are supposed to fix the slow game play a bit, according to them.
Make a Pro Am…like in the past where D1 teams have to play pro teams…gives them a feel for where they stack-up.
It'll be great when everything is released and all said and done.
if they dont make a semi pro bracket, they should atleast make d1 race to 7. upton and cep stated that "we didn't know how to close out games once we got to 5″. which we saw in upton's first match ever against the russians when they were up 5 to 3. upton adjusted, but cant say the same for cep
Really good suggestions! I agree the field may be thin for Semi Pro but once you bounce a few pros down and a few D1 up. Tht allows some D2 to fill D1 and I think you have a reasonable number in each division. In PSP's effort to keep around older players by slowing down the game they increased paint usage. Add more bunkers. This will block lanes, make bumps easier for older players but keep te game pace up.
I would love to see points rewarded by time. For instance if a team is down 4 -1 and they needed to make up points quick. If they closed out a game in under 00:59 that team could be rewarded 3 points. If the team closed out in under 1:59 they would earn 2 points. Anything above that time limit would be a 1 point game. I feel this would change the speed of the game and would also kill teams from playing back foot paintball once they are up 2 points because they just run out the clock. Food for thought.
Definitely not.
Would never work or even cross peoples minds.
PBA should run on a time delay, like other sports broadcasting networks, so they can cut to the awesome run throughs and game-breaking moves seamlessly.
if you do step 3 then PSP should not do step 5.


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Posted: Feb 20, 2011 - 06:58 PM
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Penetrate faster, harder with new AFRL weapon
By Stephen Trimble on February 20, 2011
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"My trip to Brazil has been unexpectedly delayed by an unplanned, extended pit-stop in Caracas, where my Boeing 767 is currently parked with a flat tire. If you detect a note of innuendo in the headline, it's the lack of sleep talking. Meanwhile, what better way to spend my first day in Venezuela than blogging about new bunker-busters! Meet the US Air Force's latest unintentional metaphor of a missile:
An Air Force Research Laboratory fact sheet with a 2011 time-stamp for public release approval tells us that a 2,000lb-class weapon with 5,000lb-class penetration capability could be available within three years.
Future fighters will be able to deliver bunker-busting capabilities currently associated with the bomber fleet," the fact sheet says.
I found the fact sheet for the
High Velocity Penetrating Weapon (HVPW)
in the AFRL munitions directorate booth at the Air Warfare Symposium a few days ago. The document reveals the USAF has shifted its focus on next-generation penetrator technology on a couple of different levels.
Force is a function of mass multiplied by velocity. Mass is the key design point for the free-falling, 5,000lb GBU-28 bunker buster and the 30,000lb Massive Ordnance Penetrator.
For the next generation penetrator weapon, the AFRL appears to have shifted the focus to velocity. Packing a solid rocket propulsion system "with mission tailored boost and terminal velocities, intelligent fuzing and optimized explosive," the HVPW blasts into bunkers using speed in place of raw mass.
But the HPVW also may reflect a shift from previous interest in an air-breathing, high-speed penetrator, such as the Mach 3.0 Lockheed Martin revolutionary approach to time critical long-range strike (RATTLRS) demonstrator.
Like RATTLRS, the HPVW is designed to be carried inside the Lockheed Martin F-35's internal weapons bay, but will also enable "other fighter/bombers", the fact sheet says.
It's clear the USAF is in the market for a new penetrator weapon for the next generation bomber. Gen William Fraser, chief of Air Combat Command, actually confused the air force's message in his opening remarks at the symposium on 17 February. Fraser said that the next generation bomber would leverage several existing technologies, and he included the Massive Ordnance Penetrator on the list.
I asked Lt Gen Jim Kowalski, chief of Global Strike Command, about that the next day. He clarified that Fraser means the next generation bomber will leverage the bunker-buster effect of the massive ordnance penetrator, but not necessarily its mass. In the aforementioned force equation, that implies a shift toward higher speed, although Kowalski declined to confirm that theory."
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The Air Force Wants A New Bunker Buster Bomb For the F-35
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Sounds similar to the Kinetic Energy Missile concept from the late 80s.
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OK, I'll bite.
So what would the current 4-5k pound bomb, modified with this same multiplying busting effect have then? Equivalent to 10,000 lb worth of bunker busting?? Wow... I guess i'd just be more worried as a bad guy, with an F-15 dropping a 10,000lb equivalent buster, than an F-22/F-35 dropping a 5k equivalent... But that's just me.
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OK, I'll bite.
So what would the current 4-5k pound bomb, modified with this same multiplying busting effect have then? Equivalent to 10,000 lb worth of bunker busting?? Wow... I guess i'd just be more worried as a bad guy, with an F-15 dropping a 10,000lb equivalent buster, than an F-22/F-35 dropping a 5k equivalent... But that's just me.
I hope Stephen enjoys a well deserved holiday in beautiful Brazil.
You'd have to steap an awfully big motor onto the back of such an already large weapon to get the same high velocity performance. Does the F-15E even have a hardpoint rating for such a large weapon?
I'd be surprised if they do...
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And if the targets heavily defended the F-15 doesn't have much hope of getting near it to release such a weapon yet the F-35 does.
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Force is a function of mass multiplied by velocity.
I thought it was acceleration and mass. Ya know, F = ma. Kinetic energy would involve velocity, K = 1/2 * m * v^2. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm looking at my physics book right now.
So the USAF wants to get added potential energy from a rocket motor instead of relying solely on mass?
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Sounds similar to the Kinetic Energy Missile concept from the late 80s.
Yep. 1986/87 I believe. There were 2 versions, one for fielding on ground platforms, and a lighter version for AC. The missile made it into some HUMVEE platforms, only.
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The MOP weighs 30,000lbs of which 5300lbs is explosive filler. Most of the weight is in the heavy casing w/c provides its punch-through capability. With the new bunker-busters, strike fighters will now pack the punch of heavy bombers like the Spirit and Lancer.
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The author said, "Force is a function of mass multiplied by velocity. Mass is the key design point for the free-falling, 5,000lb GBU-28 bunker buster and the 30,000lb Massive Ordnance Penetrator."
I always thought force=1/2 mass times velocity
. If physics hasn't changed, and I remember the formula correctly, the big dog is velocity--that's why the "high velocity" was added to the penetrator. Squaring that high velocity adds exponential? force to the penetrating blivet. See the specs. on BKEP? (ballistic runway cratering munition) for similarities...
Anyway, its a good idea.
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Force is mass x acceleration. Momentum is mass x velocity. Kinetic energy is one-half mass x velocity squared.
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And potential energy is weight x height, where weight is mass x gravity.
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Isn't the overall problem with these bunker busters a "potential" energy problem from the start? If the aircraft cannot support enough potential energy, then it will never transition into enough kinetic energy, right? I'm trying to test my physics knowledge here and see if two semesters worth (PHYS 1 and 2) taught me anything. Any experts out there?
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AFRL Moves Ahead on Bunker-Buster for F-35
by Graham Warwick, Jul 06, 2012
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"The US Air Force Research Laboratory has awarded two more contracts under the High Velocity Penetrating Weapon (HVPW) program to develop technology for
a rocket-boosted bunker-buster that can fit inside an F-35.
Lockheed Martin has been awarded $1.7 million and MBDA $1.3 million, but what they will do for the money has not been revealed. In January, Raytheon received an $11 million contract to develop GPS-degraded guidance technology for the HVPW, including anti-jam GPS, angle-of-attack sensing and RF seeker....
...As conceived, the HVPW is a solid-rocket-boosted 2,000lb-class weapon with the penetration of a 5,000lb gravity bomb, design for internal carriage in an
and also able to increase the load-out on other bombers and fighters...."
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Hope the following helps somebody out there visualize why adding a rocket motor to an earth penetrator - like with the old Durandel anti-runway device - is a sound idea for a given bomb size. Consider:
Acceleration - a change in velocity. Drive at a constant 65mph speed, A=0. Brake and you accelerate in a negative direction. Hit the gas pedal and you accelerate in a positive direction. Think scalar values plus a direction for rate of change. (I was taught never ever to use the term "deceleration". It's just acceleration in a direction.)
Velocity - speed. *Exponential* effect on kinetic energy. The greater the velocity for a given mass, the greater the object's energy by a square of the speed. Add two units speed, get four units contribution, add three units speed, get nine units contribution etc.
Mass - the object, in this case a bomb. Mere *linear* effect on kinetic energy, e.g., add one kilogram, get one kilogram's contribution, add two kilograms, get two kilograms contribution etc.
Kinetic Energy - has two constituents: mass and velocity.
Key concerns for a successful earth/bunker penetrator are kinetic energy (good), the bomb's friction with the earth/bunker (bad), and inertia (tendency of an object to remain moving without change).
To increase the bomb's kinetic energy (good), the most practical means is to speed it up (square) rather than to beef it up (linear). Accelerate the bomb to max velocity attainable.
Once the bomb is up to max velocity (A=0) it will stay at that value unless some other force acts on it. This is the bomb's inertia.
Friction caused by the bomb-earth interaction is the other, "opposing" force. Friction is a function of surface area and changes inertia opposite the bomb's direction of travel. Thus friction reduces kinetic energy quickly.
Friction doesn't significantly change the mass. So to keep the kinetic energy as high as possible for as long as possible to punch through earth and bunker as deeply as possible you increase the bomb's mass as much as possible for a given bomb size (surface area) and a given speed curve (high speed then slowing down).
The bomb's inertia will change more slowly versus the frictional force the heavier you make your bomb. But you want to get the bomb going as fast as possible in the first place before the friction starts operating on the bomb. And that's why you stick a rocket up it's keester. 0.02
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Drawn to anarchism when aware of the injustice meted out to the Haymarket Martyrs, Voltairine initially was an individualist anarchist. However, she quickly moved to the revolutionary mutualism of her mentor Dyer D. Lum before working with Goldman and Berkman on their magazine "Mother Earth." While finally becoming a communist-anarchist, she advocated "Anarchism without Adjectives" Her odyssey through anarchism reflected the change in American anarchism itself as America moved from a predominantly rural pre-capitalist society to a predominantly urban capitalist one This article is a review of three books by and about one of the leading anarchists in America. It discusses her evolution from individualist to communist anarchism.
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The struggle toward libertarian communism must be brought about by the whole of the working class, the workplace and labor unions are an essential point of agitation and struggle. Anarchist-communists must organize within the ranks of labor unions, active in this struggle as both advocates of social revolution and as fellow workers in a collective battle against exploitation
Class struggle is by no means confined to workplace. Class conflict occurs everyday in neighborhood-based battles for decent housing, the fight for welfare, the battles for access to quality education, the struggle against prisons and police brutality, in the arena of popular culture, and especially against racism, sexism, and other oppressions that stratify and divide the working class. However, as anarchist-communists, we have a particular strategic interest in workplace struggles due to the ability to directly challenge the material interests of the capitalist class Independent rank-and-file tendencies within existing unions, coupled with workplace resistance groups, solidarity networks , and, eventually, workplace assemblies and coordinating councils, provide a glimpse at the kind of self-managed workers movement needed to not only effectively challenge the employers, but also develop the unity and revolutionary class consciousness needed to overthrow the capitalist social order. [Italiano]
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Over the summer the Zapatistas announced a new strategy but what was it and what does it mean? On the global level the the rebellion in Chiapas was both an inspiration and organisational model for new a generations of anti-capitalist activists. Because of this the change in direction will have repercussions that stretch far beyond Mexico
If the 6th declaration represents a very significant shift in Zapatista politics to anti-capitalism it also still contains many of the contradictions between their local organisational methods which are based on self-management and what they appear to advocate at the national level
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The Capital Terminus collective is an anarchist-communist group in Atlanta, GA. We believe that there can and will be a revolution in which the people overthrow their rulers and create a society in which the oppressive forces of the state have been destroyed and in which everyone "Gives according to their ability and receives according to their need".
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As many as 20,000 people have been abandoned in the New Orleans Convention Center with no resources and no anticipated relief. Meanwhile, National Guard units with submachine guns and body armor prevent people from taking necessary food from places where it would otherwise go to waste, and call it "urban warfare."
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I'm not, nor have I ever been, a "matchy-matchy" kind of gal. I do have a matching leather covered sofa and loveseat now three years old, but for the most part, my home is furnished in cast-offs and things handed down to me by members of generations no longer with us.
I've already written about musing at Grandma's table, which continues to be a focal point when you come in my front door.
I've always loved old and pre-owned stuff, and when I had my pick-up truck, I braked frequently (and sometimes suddenly) for the signs announcing flea markets in old abandoned buildings in rural Arkansas. I thrill to find baskets and boxes of old silver and silverplate cutlery.
I am particularly smitten with my newest spooner, which has a place of honor on Grandma's table. What's the point of having a spooner if not to have the spoons at hand?
Spooners were all the rage in the Victorian era, from about 1837 until their popularity died out in the 1930s.
The term is derived from the original name of spoonholder, which I personally find incredibly boring and pedestrian.
My spooner has two really fun serving pieces in it, which I still use.
The lacy looking, almost flat serving pieces are tomato servers. Aren't they a hoot? They were quite popular in the 19th and early 20th centuries, until we all seemed to default to stabbing our tomato slices with a fork and hoping we didn't dribble tomato juice across the table on the way to our plates.
My newest spooner is a reproduction, but quite functional. (I am also partial to jadeite.)
Unless it had been passed down through the family, you would not have found a spooner on Grandma's table. It was purchased new in 1949.
The great thing about early attic is that everything blends in and will make for an interesting dilemma for my son when I am gone.
I can hear him now...
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It's a really nice starting point for new web projects, and imho a lot cleaner Cleaners London than using say jQuery Mobile or jQuery UI for an application base... There is definitely not a kitchen sink approach with makes it flexible... Here's a site that I've been working on using it recently.
Bootstrap is awesome. I've been using it for various projects but my favorite by far is to create mobile websites with Bootstraps fluid design. In fact, Bootstrap has been gaining quite the popularity recently and there's even a website for all sorts of bootstrap resources. What makes me love bootstrap is it's simplicity. You only have to specify a few classes to get the website looking the way you like it, the rest is already done for you.
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Twitter Bootstrap is a wonderful tool and it help developing sites really faster.
The problem of Bootstrap is that it seems to have made everybody lazy: I'm really tired of seing sites with the same look over and over.
To try to solve this issue, I made a themer for it: http://bootswatcher.com.
I hope it helps to get back people's creativity...
Not just for CSS challenged
Bootstrap is great even for those who aren't CSS challenged. Every good web developer uses some predefined CSS to set sane base fonts, even out browser inconsistencies and provide necessary utility classes (like clearfix).
Bootstrap not only provides this but using less, you can set some variables and customize the look and feel quickly and easily so your page doesn't look exactly like every other Bootstrap page ever created.
I wish they'd convert their icons to a web font (see Font Awesome for a great implementation of this). I also wish it was a little friendlier with jQuery UI (I want Bootstrap look & feel buttons with jquery's .button() function to provide better functionality).
minor nits...
should be explicit; npm -g install less
less prefers to go into a global install, but for demo purposes, as this blog, it's best to specify... also, in windows "global" is per user, not per system.
There are also server plugins that will do less compilation (and caching of compiled files for you). And they are available for a number of frameworks as well (if you're using RoR, Express, IIS, Apache, etc..) I've gotten it plugged into a couple of web projects with Visual Studio, as well as in deployment scripts.
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btw I've never owned a Beatles album, kind of think of them as audio wallpaper
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:00 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
would you say you hear the beatles more or less often than you eat pizza?
― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:11 (8 months ago) Permalink
Nick you're conflating "buying CDs" (or vinyl, or physical music in any form) with "rewarding the artists for their work". I've spent as much, probably more, on digital downloads this year than I would have spent on CDs back in the day. I very much doubt I'm alone in this. CDs are so dirt cheap these days, and the manufacturing and distribution costs are still relatively high, so the margin on digital downloads is actually higher. Whether that goes to the artists, that's a different issue. For artists with a much lower profile than Grizzly Bear, it means the barrier to getting their music actually on sale is much lower.
Really though you can't stop people from taking the path of least resistance, and streaming services like Spotify and whatever Apple launches will probably lead to a big decline in illegal downloads after a while.
Maybe the way forward is for major labels to pay artists a living wage like everyone else who works for them, paid for through a retooled revenue model, rather than unrecoupable advances based on projected sales that may never materialise.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
I love cds for their newfound state of useless dejection. Their sheer unsexiness and obsolete functionality is very appealing at a time when the resurgence of vinyl and cassettes bespeak a fetishization of older, physical media. Cds aren't quite tactile and aren't quite digital, they're small, and there's not much nostalgic about them. I love them for their abjection.
In the last 16 months I've bought maybe like 170-190 cds.
― formerly EDB (ed.b), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:24 (8 months ago) Permalink
used? they are cheaper than mp3s weirdly
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
If I am conflating buying physical product with rewarding the artist I think that's fair enough - revenue models for download services vary massively, and somewhere like emusic can't be paying the artists as much as iTunes. It's great that you've spent as much or more on downloads as you'd have spent on CDs, and I'd much rather people buy a download than stream via Spotify, even premium, and that download systems mean more people can get their music out there than via physical methods. But it's not for me, and I've seen artists state that their preferred mode of sale of their work is via physical formats. That's what I prefer, and to me it seems fairest.
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 20:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
"Ultimately my concern isn't that Grizzly Bear can't afford to buy houses or pay for health insurance. It's that they ... and everyone else whose music I love, won't be able to afford to make ends meet so much that they'll give up, and stop making music, and go and get day jobs. That would be a tragedy."
lots of people work part-time or even full-time day jobs and still manage to make great music. it's not an either/or proposition.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
don't say things like that, you'll summon the spirit of Albini
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
The last time I bought a casa ingles was in 2001. it still holds up today.
― thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:06 (8 months ago) Permalink
i always wished someone would make a coffee table book about the day jobs of indie rock stars, or maybe even a directory. like say you wanted a punk rock dentist, and oh, there's Jerry Only, D.D.S just 15 mi from you.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
i have bought over 100 records this year, easily. probably 75% used.
― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
My thoughts...all music I buy is purchased in the form of cds. There are personal reasons and - er - logistical reasons, I suppose. Personally I have always felt more connected to the music if I actually own it. I have always felt this way - even in the 80s when I started buying records, if it was something someone had taped for me I wasn't interested. If it wasn't something I owned, it wasn't mine. That mindset has stuck with me - people could rip cds for me or I could download music (as I have, through libraries etc) but I don't think of that as mine. I still prefer the artefact, the disc, the sleeve etc. Maybe it's just the era I grew up in. As for the logistical element, well I only have access to the net through my phone, so Spotify or itunes or whatever aren't an option. We don't have the net in our home, I have limited access and my wife has a wifi hotspot if she needs it. I no longer work so have no net access in a workplace (which is where I used to do all my ILMing). We have downloaded a few songs from itunes for our six yr old son but even he prefers to put a cd in his Early Learning Centre cd player. I did the poll this morning but got it wrong, I think I've bought more than 60 cds this year, but not a lot has been new releases. My gradual re-entry to ILM (and slow unsure use of Twitter) has given me some ideas of what I want to get next (Swans and Grizzly Bear sound right up my street) so I'm sure it'll be up to 100 by years end. But I love the physical format, and even if I could download, I wouldn't.
― Rob M Revisited, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:13 (8 months ago) Permalink
Totally agree with the ownership thing, Rob. I hate being made mixes, copies of things, etc. always wanted the real thing.
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
I used to feel that way until I realized that value in physical things was just turning me into a hoarder
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:23 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm very good at getting rid of stuff I don't use, thankfully. Emma stops me purging half the record collection.
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
to be fair, she probably wouldn't appreciate if you got rid of her half
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
I average between 2 and 3 CDs per week. A lot of that is me catching up on old classics, though, so I'm not really helping many Grizzly Bears.
― jim, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:49 (8 months ago) Permalink
or grizzlebees, as they may be called
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 21:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
I hate being made mixes, copies of things, etc. always wanted the real thing.
But "the real thing" is just packaging really. And mixes are an amazing way to discover new stuff. There are so many ways of discovering music you miss out on if all you do is buy CD albums, so much great music that you never get to hear.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
I buy 10-20 CDs a year, and probably about 60 digital albums a year. Once I have a space that seems suitable I plan on getting a record player and starting all over, well only with my favorites.
― marginal victory, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
But mixes and copies of albums lack that "authenticity" amirite
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:02 (8 months ago) Permalink
thought experiment: Imagine that your local record store, or your favorite mail order record store, is an extremely good counterfeiter and you've been buying intricate bootleg copies all along. Do you lose anything by learning this?
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
copies and mixes are mere xeroxes compared to the authenticity you get from thumbing through (never touching or picking up, those are barbaric terms) thumbing through faded but still breathing leaves of vinyl and cd
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
I mean "physical music" just doesn't exist, it's not a thing. People just think it is because they happened to have lived at the one brief point in human history when it was necessary to store it physically.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:13 (8 months ago) Permalink
no, the commercial album of the 20th century is the high point of humanity's relationship with sound. never has we been at the cusp of such a great decline.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
see it's even affecting how we write.
the "i buy physical music to help keep favourite artists' bank accounts healthy" argument is very odd when across almost every genre artists agree that they mostly make a living from live performances rather than record sales in any format
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
sometimes i feel like i'm in one of those pictures of a person watching themselves watch themselves watch television on a television and we're just having the same thread 10 million times for years and years and years
― farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:17 (8 months ago) Permalink
when did these feelings begin? and is the picture a jpg or a hard copy?
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
Some thoughts, not necessarily coherent:
1) I remember when "Home taping is killing music" was a big issue ... but feel sure that home taping actually prompted me to buy more music than I would have done otherwise ... but it does seem like there is a culture of expecting music to be free, at the moment. That Grizzly Bear comment about comparing the price of a CD to a starter seemed pertinent.
2) It's not just how you buy music but where you buy music. I have a £2 rule where I'll buy a CD in my local independent store if it's within a couple of quid of Amazon ... but there are times when I'll buy from where ever is cheapest.
3) I enjoy trawling my CD shelves when drunk in a way that I don't flicking through my computer files.
4) I wonder how much Keiran Hebden made from Pink (download only, more or less) compared to if he'd put out a physical product?
5) I've bought the odd CD - that train announcement on Trunk, say - knowing I'd only play it once but thinking an hour's entertainment for a fiver is sometimes fine.
― djh, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
I kind of understand that last point -- when compared against other forms of entertainment, music is a bargain. If an album really grows on me or has amazing packaging/liner notes/etc then I'm more willing to seek it out, but it seems like a waste to manufacture, ship, and stock a cardboard sleeve and disc if I'm not that invested in it to begin with. There have been albums that have grown on me and I've actually bought twice, as a download and as a physical release.
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:38 (8 months ago) Permalink
Somewhere up-thread someone mentioned cherry picking the best tracks from albums and downloading those but this doesn't seem to take into account that the tracks that sound best after one play, five plays, ten plays, twenty plays etc are different and it is often worth pursuing with tracks that initially sound a bit dodge.
― djh, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 22:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
Buying music has been like a drug habit for me since I was a kid, pay day and getting some more new tunes has been the thing for years. I've had a couple years where I didn't go out and get more nearly as much, but it's never stopped. That said, I haven't had the urge to follow what's 'new' much for quite a few years. I tend to get into a certain sound, genre or artist for a while then move to something else. I kind of tend to focus on a few things at a time with intensity in my personal listening. If there is new music tied to it, cool, if not, that is fine.
I'm definitely at 100+ for this year, as I have gotten into a few things I never really listened to with great depth, but I buy quite a bit used.
I might be into the whole mix and trading thing if I knew more people around here that were deep into music. I got friends that really like music, but they usually kind of just like one thing and I might like that one thing, but it's the only think they like and that might not be the main thing i'm checking out at this moment.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 2 October 2012 23:05 (8 months ago) Permalink
used? they are cheaper than mp3s weirdly― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 06:29 (3 hours ago)
In Australia new CDs in our biggest chain cost about the same as low-sound-quality DRM files from iTunes
the "i buy physical music to help keep favourite artists' bank accounts healthy" argument is very odd when across almost every genre artists agree that they mostly make a living from live performances rather than record sales in any format― lex pretend, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 08:16 (1 hour ago)
They have to make more of a living from live performance bcz ppl stopped buying records; buying records helps them better recoup advances and actually make money from recording. Touring artist show prices have basically tripled here over the last 8 years as the recording industry has contracted, which then leaves much less discretionary purchasing power for records etc etc.
― ┐(´ー`)┌ (sic), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 00:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
um whoever itt is arguing that u don't need to purchase music to support artists because they just make music off live shows, if you like the artist you should also pay them for their recorded music i think that is pretty clear-cut whether or not it's a physical release. you can and should also pay for the show, but these two do not preclude each other
― flopson, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
someone spent money & time making it => you should pay for it
― flopson, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
As for EOY albums, I keep all new purchases separate from the rest of the collection, as a very visual reminder / guide to what I've bought this year (both new stuff and back catalogue). I filter everything into the stacks on New Years Day; done this for a few years now, and much prefer it to keeping a list anywhere or trying to remember by going through everything. Also gives me a default 'what to listen to niow' pile for when I'm feeling indecisive.― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:31 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:31 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ha, that's been my routine for the past 5 years or so as well.
― musicfanatic, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
My general routine is to make a playlist of every album I'm interested enough in to check out (I personally use Rhapsody), and out of that list - roughly 400 or so albums a year - I end up buying about 60-80 of my favorite albums on CD.
― musicfanatic, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:17 (8 months ago) Permalink
Have bought:
100+ vinyl LPs (almost all $1 or less; none more than $2 I don't think)3 CDs (all $1)0 digital anything
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:18 (8 months ago) Permalink
BUT I still get a ton of physical promos of new music (mostly CD, occasionally vinyl), which I prefer to digital. Get sent even more downloads, probably, which I completely ignore unless I have an actual assignment and no other way to hear something. And I have a free Rhapsody account since I'm their metal editor -- actually free "fantasy" Rhapsody account, which means I can stream lots of additional music that subscribers can't -- which fills most of the other holes for new stuff (and I'll listen to something there rather than downloading it, if possible.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:42 (8 months ago) Permalink
"Get sent even more downloads or streams," I guess I mean. Given the choice, would rather stream than download.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 01:47 (8 months ago) Permalink
Are a lot of those purchased on a whim, Chuck? Or are those albums ones you've been meaning to buy once you've found them for ~ a dollar?
― musicfanatic, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
They are ALL purchased on a whim. I guess. At least in the sense that I never go to a store (or garage sale, or record convention) looking for anything in particular. But a lot of them are ones I've wondered about over the decades, if that makes sense. Though sometimes I don't realize I've wondered about them until I see them. And at least a few are by artists I've never even heard of before, but the LP just looks interesting.
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
About 95% legitimate purchases, and 0% physical. I'm 380 miles distant from my conventional A/V equipment due to a familial disorders.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm all about physical music, but I've been trying to listen to all the classic albums the past two years and the library has allowed me to do that for free...so not too many physical purchases this year. Probably only about 10-12...yikes.
― Tyler Burns (firstname.lastname@example.com), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 04:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
I will say though, I've been getting into cassettes this year. Bought my first hi-fi and I'm looking to get a Walkman Pro.
― Tyler Burns (firstname.lastname@example.com), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 04:08 (8 months ago) Permalink
Not counting a boatload of used crap scored on Amazon and used sections:
18 records, 10 CDs, 5 cassettes, and a 7"
― Mary Ty$ Band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 October 2012 04:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
i just found this thread and see that i was the inspiration for it.
anyways, right after all this i went out and bought 8 album. 5 are 2012 releases and the other three are from 2011.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 05:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
now going back to read this thread.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 05:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
btw, i own around 4,000 CD's and a bunch of vinyl but haven't bought any vinyl in over five years now.
have never purchased a digital download, i want the CD if i'm putting out the money.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 05:11 (8 months ago) Permalink