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Regional Police Report: Boyfriend Hit in Head with Hammer, Two Charged in Drug Death and More
The following is a selection of police-related items reported in area Patches recently. Where arrests or charges are mentioned, it does not indicate a conviction.
Holiday Hills
Sheriff: Woman Struck Boyfriend in Head with Hammer
A Holiday Hills woman early Dec. 3 bit her boyfriend and then hit him over the head with a hammer, rendering him unconscious, according to McHenry County Sheriff Keith Nygren.
Cali L. Sander, 27, 1206 W. Sunset Dr., was arrested and charged with one count aggravated domestic battery and one count aggravated battery, Nygren said in a press release.
At about 5 a.m., sheriff officers responded to the 1200 block of West Sunset Road, Holiday Hills, to a domestic battery report. Upon arriving at the home, sheriff deputies met the male victim who said Sander bit him on the arm and hit him on the head with hard object, Nygren said. Sander was not home when deputies arrived.
Mother, Son Charged In Drug Death
A mother and son have been arrested for drug induced homicide in connection with the Sept. 18 death of a 30-year-old Ingleside man.
Class X Drug Induced Homicide warrants were issued Tuesday for Brian Stedronsky, 32, and his mother, Carolyn Stedronsky, 52, who reside in the 34000 Block of Oden Ave., Ingleside, reported the Lake County Sheriff's Department.
The warrants were served by sheriff's detectives.
The case involves the death of Jeffery Ferris, 30, of the 35000 block of N. Milwaukee Ave., Ingleside, who purchased prescription drugs from Brian Stredronsky and died after taking ingesting them during a night of partying.
Woman Sexually Assaulted in Store
Firas Ayoubi, 27, of North Normandy Street in Chicago, has been charged with four felony counts, including aggravated criminal sexual assault, after he entered a business Tuesday and sexually assaulted a 19-year-old employee, police said.
At about 8 a.m. Tuesday, Ayoubi walked into a Niles business which a 19-year-old woman, of Elmwood Park, had just opened for the day. She was in the back of the business. Ayoubi approached her wearing a mask that partially covered the lower half of his face, according to police, dragged her to a storeroom and sexually assaulted her.
He then dragged her by the hair and arm back to the front of the store and asked where the cash drawer was located, police said. A 60-year-old Chicago man entered the business for an appointment and the woman asked him for help. This man, a witness, swore at Ayoubi and ordered him to let the woman go; the woman got free and she and the witness rushed outside and called police.
Man Who Died in California Identified, Buried
Edward J. Slepowronski, 33, was waked Friday at Skaja Terrace Funeral Home in Niles, and buried Saturday.
Patch had earlier reported a Niles man was found deceased in his vehicle Saturday afternoon, Nov. 24, at a scenic overlook in Joshua Tree National Park in southern California.
The man was later identified as Slepowronski, according to the Press-Enterprise. He had been reported missing Nov. 12.
The Riverside County, Calif. coroner's office did not have a cause of death as of Friday. It will not be known until toxicology reports, which could take as long as five to six weeks, are completed, they said.
Police Rescue Woman Who Drove Into Pool
It seems an off-season pool cover can't withstand the weight of an average-size sedan.
On Dec. 1 , "a 92 year old motorist drove over a curb, through a fence and into a pool at 1280 Rudolph Dr.," according to a release from the Northbrook Fire Department.
Two Northbrook police officers had to assist the driver out of the car and cold water, but no injuries were reported by the fire department, who later helped remove the car from the pool, according to the release.
The car was stuck in about three feet of water, according to the fire department.
Moe @ the Buck
12:33 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Does the 92 year old lady who drove over the curb, through the fence, and into the pool get to keep her drivers licence? Just asking.
Karen Stolzman
1:55 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
How much would you like to make a bet - believe it or not, the way the legal system works - YES she does.
Had a similar incident to our back yard and the senior - scott free of charges.
Old H.P.
11:19 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Yes Moe, she most certainly keeps it. One she is the backup driver next year on the road to Sturgis, P.S. for all you that don't know that's the gal in the back-up van hauling the food, beer and the bike parts. Now the little gal with the hammer, she is a no go, got enough crazy chicks you know!!
Lake Forest
3:45 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Yes, and drivers tests are ridiculous! I was hoping one of my kids wouldn't pass, but all they did was have him drive around the block! This was at Deerfield.
3:54 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
I would assume your child is/was around the age of 16 at the time? If you were that worried for their or anyone else's safety, you should have taken it from him.
Stevie Janowski
4:33 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Now your kids can be illegals and get licences!!! What has this world come to?
7:46 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Is this discussion really carrying over from the closed forum?
Stevie Janowski
8:14 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Yeah brian it is, you know why? Its real news, and a real problem
8:53 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
I agree it is a big issue, but this message board (and I have to include myself as well...since I can't help arguing with good old jeff) drops important issues down to no more than lame insults about others opinions. If people disagree we take it as a personal shot and hijack an otherwise innocuous board. This board isn't about Illegals getting a license, so why hijack yet another?
Stevie Janowski
3:50 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012
Not sure what you mean "highjack" I am from America, I dont do those type of practices.
6:40 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
You can get whatever you want in this state if you want to pay the fee!


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DURHAM — The Coe-Brown Northwood Academy boys and girls track teams competed in a state meet tune-up on Sunday at the University of New Hampshire. With qualifying standards in place, the girls finished second behind Division 1 Bedford. Placing first for the girls were Alley Savioli in the shot put (36 feet, 6.5 inches) and Samantha Toscano in the long jump (15-11.75).
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09-09-2008, 02:11 AM | #1 (permalink) |
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| Suicide and what happens after you die
Let me clarify that I'm not suicidal in any way, I want to live as long as possible because there is just so much I want to do and grow from. But one day I thought, "What if one day something terrible were to happen to me like war, famine, debilitating disease ect. and there was no way to escape the suffering and I was going to die anyway. What were to happen to my soul if I chose to end my suffering myself? Would my soul be in a lowered state because of this even though I truly wanted to live, but not suffer. When I reincarnate will I still have to learn my lessons, and it be harder the next time as Erin wrote in one of her Q&As on her site? Will I just have to go through intense suffering again in the next life if I choose to reincarnate? |
09-09-2008, 03:04 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I don't think that you would have to re-learn all of the life lessons that you have already learned just because you kill yourself. I think that you would probabely pick up where you left off in the next life. You would already have a portion of your lessons completed, depending on where you were in your life and what lessons you had already learned, and you would just continue on with those lessons in the next life. I think that is what we do whether we kill ourselves or not. We decide what lessons we want to learn, and at our life review we see what we have accomplished and what we still need work on. I believe that we "carry over" the lessons that we need to work on from one life to the next until we decide that lesson is complete. We all have lessons that we want to learn, and some may be better at accomplishing them than others. The more we accomplish, the more we grow, and it seems like the next life is "easier," because we remember where we came from quicker. Once we remember where we came from and use our abilities, life seems easier because we know that we are not alone and always have help when we need it. We also remember our true selves, and realize that our bodies are just a shell, not who or what we really are. The problem with killing yourself is that you may have needed to learn a lesson from being paralyzed, or help someone else learn an important lesson. If you end your life prematurely, then not only are you cheating yourself out of growing spiritually, but you could also be cheating someone else who may really need your help. Erin has also posted that if life is too much for us, all we have to do is ask for help. When we ask for help, I believe that if we are suffering so much that we do not think we can handle it, we can ask to die. By asking to die instead of killing ourselves, the "universe" has time to fill in the parts that we were supposed to complete, but we are still there to help until they can find a replacement. My understanding is that if you really want to die, after the universe finds a replacement for our "teaching," then it will do the rest (ie. kill us). It is kinda like what happens when we have completed everything that we were sent to do on earth. Our jobs are done, and we go back home (die). |
09-09-2008, 07:07 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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It's my understanding.. that well suicide is a blessing compared to here.. (I do not claim expertise.. I just claim to pass on knowledge I've learned) But interestingly enough almost all near death experiences you have had.. should mean that you did die.. infact it's my understanding it's possible to comeback after dying and carry on where you left off (though I wouldn't expect a lot to comeback.. I always say it like this.. if this is hell? what must heaven be like or non-physical) so basically if you have a near death experience on your totem pole.. expect that you have already died.. also expect that many multi-verses of you have died already.. |
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Even thinking about suicide is "bad"; no matter if you can help it or not. The OP needs to add the disclaimer "I'm not suicidal but...". What difference does it make to the question if one is suicidal or not? anyway... good topic. | ||
09-16-2008, 09:35 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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We incarnate with a plan and with a whole host of spiritual helpers to get us there. When a person commits suicide, they derail the plan. Regardless of the "pain" or "suffering" you undergo, it is a part of the overall life plan. To choose to end your "suffering" you're choosing to end your lesson - almost certainly before you've reaped the benefit of it. Your life is not designed to be "easy". It is designed to teach you that which you need to understand - not just in an intellectual way, but in a visceral, REAL way - about existence and Spirit. If you want to be strong, you must bear burdens. If you want to be humble, you must be humiliated. If you want to be patient, you must wait for that which you desire. If you want to be merciful, you must find no mercy for yourself. This is true in this life and doubly true on a spiritual level. When you commit suicide, you fail to complete your obligation not only to yourself, but to the rest of the Universe with which you've made a pact. Your responsibilities and obligations get shifted to someone/something else and you are left with a spiritual debt. Some call this "Karma." Until your debt is paid and you accomplish fully that which you agreed to do before incarnation, you will not move to the next level. If you cannot accept this understanding of things, then not only will you not move to the next level, you will be unable to reincarnate because you will be unable to break the bond that ties you to this reality. (For a good "pop" version of what I mean, watch the Robin Williams movie "What Dreams May Come.") |
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09-17-2008, 03:46 AM | #8 (permalink) | |
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We learn most from our pain and struggles - both as individuals and as a species. I have sat at the bedsides of those who were dying. I've watched as they've realized that their tasks were done here. I've also watched people fight for every last breath because they weren't. I've crossed over spirits who were so heart-broken and anguished that I can't express in words the level of despair they've felt. And I've failed to break through the shell of hate an anger that enshrouded others to the point where they couldn't even accept that there could be something beyond their own hurt. Almost universally - again "in my experience" - those who take their own lives out of shame, guilt or despair have such low vibrational states that they are unable to continue their journey alone without help. That being said, I also watched people throw themselves out of the windows of the World Trade Center after the planes struck them to escape the flames and smoke. I have gone there and sought out those souls. I did not find them. This tells me that there are cases in which we DO have a choice in how we die if it's the time for us to do so. And I believe that our Guides, Angels and Allies are there for us when we make that decision. | |
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As I said; we learn from our pain and struggles. You could choose to learn only pain and loss from such an experience. OR you could choose to learn something more constructive. Many THOUSANDS of people have been in situations just like the ones you described and have chosen to continue to live. WHY? Did they enjoy the pain and loss they were feeling? I would think not. They felt they had more to learn, more to experience, more to contribute. They accepted that the reason for them being here was more important than whether they ENJOYED being here - that what they had to learn in this life may not be learned by being comfortable or even happy. If you were to commit suicide during such an experience as you described then you would be choosing only to learn pain and suffering, and THAT is what you would take into your next experience and I believe that would hinder you in crossing over. |
09-30-2008, 01:03 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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I do agree with Mato Kinze that it depends on your attitude to each situation that depends on how much you learn from it. Although, to me, you don't really need to suffer to learn lessons, you could learn more from being in a state of peace and develop way more than if you were in a near constant state of suffering and non-enjoyment. In my experience, there are plenty of people that have committed suicide and are perfectly happy on the other side, they weren't punished (only if they punished themselves to what they did to their friends and family that mourned their lost life), so I think suicide isn't the answer, but if a person really feels like that is their last hope, then I wouldn't disagree with committing such an act. You don't have to go through pain and suffering to learn lessons, you could more easily learn the lesson or lessons from a state of happiness and joy than you could from a low state of boredom and suffering. Just my $100. |
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But the key is to learn the lesson. In most instances (and I have yet to personally experience a suicide that doesn't support this) those that chose suicide did so to "escape" the lesson - Not learn it. You could learn that fire was hot by being told by everyone that it was over and over again over years and years - and MAYBE you'd truly believe it. OR you could stick your hand in once. Either way, the lesson is learned. One could argue that if learning the lesson is the solely desired result, sticking your hand in is definitley the surest way to cement the lesson. Our Guides are not overly concerned with our comfort or "happiness". They are there to make sure we learn our lessons - the purpose for which we came here in the first place. When I was 15, my stepfather would drink all night long and pass out on the sofa in the family room. I'd get up in the morning to get ready for school and he'd be all sprawled out with beer cans strewn all around the room. No big deal - by itself. Unfortunately, he also liked to play with guns. So not only would he drink all night, but he'd have five or six handguns in various stages of assembly and functionality. I was 15 and knew what a gun was and how it worked and what to be careful of, so again - no big deal. BUT... my four year-old sister did not know what a gun was, what it could do or how it worked. So, the morning I came into the family room and saw my baby sister playing with a loaded .44 magnum, I realized that she needed to learn. How do you teach a 4 year-old what a gun is and what it can do? I took her outside, took her favorite stuffed animal - the one she slept with every night and carried around with her like a security blanket - put it on the ground and told her, "Kiddo, THIS is a gun." I pointed it at the teddy bear and said to her, "This is what guns do," and I pulled the trigger. The 145 grain, hollow point literally exploded the teddy bear and the noise from the gun had MY ears ringing for two days, I can only imagine what hers were like. In this case, I NEEDED my baby sister to understand immediately in a very visceral and REAL sense what a gun is and what it does. I couldn't use words, I couldn't use reasoning, I couldn't just tell her it was a "no-no". There was far too much at stake for her to think anything else. Did she like that lesson? Hell no. She cried for days because she didn't have her "Normy" anymore. Did I feel like **** because I'd had to do that her? You bet. But she and everyone else in my family was safer because she knew that guns were very dangerous and could result in a terrible loss that couldn't be fixed. Our Guides are in the same position with us. And sometimes, there are things that we need to get, and we need to get RIGHT NOW and get in a way that is unquestionable in its meaning. Those lessons are seldom "painless" or without "suffering". If we choose to end the lesson by suicide, then we choose failure. | |
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So when you commit suicide, not only are quitting YOUR lesson, you're keeping others from experiencing theirs as well. When you do this, you create MORE lessons to learn in your next experience because you go into your next experience with a debt. Buddhists call this cosmic debt "Karma". In short; "Suck it up." Every experience is a gift from the Universe to help you be the person you are meant to be. Don't short-change yourself or the rest of the Universe by being pathetic and selfish. | |
10-12-2008, 09:30 AM | #15 (permalink) |
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If you end your life prematurely, then not only are you cheating yourself out of growing spiritually, but you could also be cheating someone else who may really need your help. that comment is from the 1st response. that struck a nerve with me.......a real what if!! |
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Why do I feel so confused? | |
10-14-2008, 06:48 PM | #17 (permalink) | |
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If someone's life's so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that they feel they need to end it, they don't need optimism, they need a reality check. They need help in getting that they haven't "lost" anything because they never "had" anything to begin with. Every experience in this life, every relationship is transitory. Everything we experience is meant to be a lesson in living - "good" AND "bad". Every person that comes into our lives has a gift to bring us. Maybe that gift is Love, maybe it's pain. But each experience makes us who we are and lays the foundation for what we need to become. If we stop experiencing things, then we stop learning the lessons that are designed to make us what we need to be. It would be like stopping exercising because it doesn't feel good then blaming the Universe because you don't have any energy. People who commit suicide lack the fundamental understanding of their role in the Universe. They fail to get how essential they are. OR they somehow don't care about anything but their own perceptions of good and bad and their own immediate comfort. If you want to not be confused, stop confusing yourself. Your life is a journey. What you experience today is unique from every other day. What you experience tomorrow will be unique again. Live for the experience that the Universe has prepared for you so that you can be who and what you are supposed to be; both in this life AND the next experience. | |
10-23-2008, 01:44 PM | #18 (permalink) |
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After reading this thread I am taken back to my grade school years and high school years. I was horribly teased. I had a couple of friends, but most days I'd come home from school and cry because of the teasing. Many times I thought of violence as the answer... killing them and myself. I just wanted it to stop and I didn't know how else to make it stop. But all I did was think about such things. Because of how I was treated in school, I learned many things. I learned that othe people's opinion of myself doesn't really matter. If I am being true to myself, then to hell with everyone else. I learned compassion. I treat people with kindness and a certain amount of respect because I learned how much it hurts to be shunned. I've learned to keep my ego in check. I celebrate my accomplishments, but not to the point that I forget my true self. Facing those struggles everyday in school laid the foundation for my inner strength and determination to grow. Now, twenty years later, is when I am seeing the benefits of that. Had I not had the childhood/young adult hood that I did, I would not have been able to deal with personal events that have happened over the last three years. It takes courage to live. That's the most universal thing that everyone can learn through any hardship, any suffering that crosses their path. Courage. Courage to keep trying. Courage to be the person they were meant to be. This Saturday I am speaking to a group of young adults about this very topic. A group of kids that seem to have given up on themselves. A group of kids that think this is the best there is and that they have no power to make a difference. Because of my path in life, maybe I can change their mind. Maybe I can give them hope. I've made a difference in the lives of my two children. I can understand their pain when they are teased. They know of the current struggles we as a family face, but because I keep trying, so do they. They are learning, by watching me, how to find solutions, how to keep trying, even when things seem hopeless. How do I know? Because they tell me, and I see it in the choices they make. How would our lives be different if our "inspirations" had ended their life when the going got tough? |
10-25-2008, 09:59 AM | #19 (permalink) |
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I think: We chose to incarnate, we chose our lessons and so we can chose to end our lifes, no matter what. We're responsible for what we do and that's it. What if you run from your lessons? Well, that's your choice - you don't have to learn anything here. I have to say that I made the biggest growing experiences when I enjoyed my life, because then I could consciously chose to learn. I don't want to live a life that has not the primary aim to bring joy to myself and to the world. |
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The general perception that suicide is "wrong" only comes from OTHER PEOPLE, not any higher spiritual entity. There are myriad things that would explain this, but I believe it all comes down to the basic fact that people are alive, thus it must be "good". It's simple self interest. Seeing others kill themselves is an affront to this idea; that it's better to be alive than dead. It's easier to stick with denial than to change deep seeded beliefs. So rather than question what makes people prefer death to life, people just revert to incessant shaming towards the whole practice of ending ones life (irregardless of circumstance). There is no greater social motivator than shame. Most people would rather die than experience too much of it. Talk about a negative feedback loop! I think to be against suicide is to take a very authoritarian view towards existence. It's basically saying that you do not own your life, and you have no right to do with it what you want. Yes, ending your life could effect others, but not in all cases. What if the effect on others is not your responsibility? A parent who decides to have a child CHOOSES to bring this new life into the world, and invest a large part of their existence in this child. The child does not have a choice. A parent who commits suicide is being selfish, if they leave the child who depends on them. But the child who commits suicide, thus harming the parent? That's very different. The child did not ask to be born, and did not ask to have the responsibility of caring for their parents well being. It was FORCED upon them, by the actions of the world. Sure, you can try and justify social convention via some "past-life-we-choose-our-existence-and-parents-thus-we-are-responsible" philosophy. This might be easier for those who have a hard time thinking for themselves, and would rather be told by others what is true. Hell, it might even be the truth, but it's not the reality we (or "I" personally) have been presented with. When it comes down to it, I have to make decisions based on what reality "is", not what it "might be" or what others tell me it might be. Based on this, I see no objective reason to be against suicide. Based on what I know about it on earth, I reject an authoritarian view of existence. I believe my life belongs to me. No other person or higher level entity can tell me what to do with it, including not end it. If there is a price to pay in the next world for this stance, so be it. I did the best I could here, and if that's not good enough for the PTB in the ether, than I'm not good enough for them. End of story. disclaimer; I'm not suicidal so nobody jump to conclusions. But I'm aware circumstances can change and I like to be psychologically prepared. disclaimer 2; i realize my view on this topic is not popular with some people. it is what it is, so don't waste your breath arguing me. I won't change my stance. I'm merely trying to provide an alternative viewpoint to the onslaught of knee-jerk, thoughtless (ie, people don't think about it, for good reason as under analysis it doesn't hold up) concepts that "suicide is bad". It's only bad if you decide it's bad, not if somebody else tells you it is. You're life belongs to "you", and unless you want to cede that power to others (many prefer this), you can do what you want with it. | |
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It's nice to talk about suicide without the negative stigma of it.. I once wrote a paper when I was 15 or so on it.. and then re-wrote that paper when I was 17 showed it to the wrong person and got some health workers on me.. (ehh.. I hate health workers especially giddy ones) I'm a big fan of Kevorkian and consider him one of my heroes at least I used to pre-LOA can't say for sure now.. I was to be honest thinking for quite some time about getting legislation done for people who wanted to leave I absolutely believe that if people don't want to be here they should LEAVE.. But after LOA.. I also understand that if you want to LEAVE you might just come back anyway.. as I pointed out above.. For those of you who have guides or shall we say non-physical knowledge access.. you should ask if you have died? and have you chosen to comeback many times? I did this in a way the other day through a method I use.. I got direct answers to my questions.. |
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When you're suicidal, a "reality check" might be what you need, but it's very likely just to make the suicidal feel worse. I've been there. And I felt the guilt knowing I was supposed to be better but didn't know how to get there, couldn't summon the courage to climb up that cliff face myself. And it just added to it. Reality checks take a lot of courage to accept. And if you're suicidal, you don't give a rat's you-know-what if you're cowardly or not. You just want out. You just want it to end. And I agree - suicide can be a lesson in itself. What if there were two people - A and B, I'll call them. A's incredibly depressed and wants to die. Just before they do it, B kills themself. A is horribly shocked and stunned. A finds a way and gets out of the depression, and ends up doing something major later and making huge differences to many people's lives. Which they couldn't have done if B hadn't died, because then A would have killed themselves. I'm not saying "go kill yourself", or that suicide is good. I'm just saying it shouldn't be condemned, because as someone else said - condemnation is kicking them when they're down. Adding insult to injury. Really - I think that people who are saying "Suck it up" are people who need to develop compassion and patience. And I'll admit - that's something I need to develop myself. Even though I've both (badly - I wouldn't have died even if I didn't go to my parents to stem the bleeding after I freaked out and realised it wasn't what I was supposed to do) attempt suicide and had one of my best friends attempt suicide not long after I did, I honestly don't know how to help people down there when I look at them. But like the person above said with the teddy bear and the gun - sometimes those lessons are needed. I needed to attempt suicide - it was the one event that, for sure, turned my life around. I didn't realise that death wasn't what I wanted until I'd sliced my arm open. And to drive the point home, my friend overdosed (but survived, thank the gods). Will I ever be there again? I sure as hell hope not, because if I ever will be, it means I'll have forgotten the lessons that I learned from both of those experiences. Both of these lessons were risky. Gone horribly wrong, not one person, but two people would have died. (When my friend overdosed, I was the one who called another of his friends, who managed to convince him to go to the hospital with his parents.) I'm just very, very grateful that the lessons were executed perfectly, and that both of us survived. And neither of the two of us have ever been there again. I'll admit - there have been times since when I just wished I was dead. But I've never, ever hurt myself again and would never actually go through with it again. I've learned. I was given compassion, and since that day I rejected it, I had my teddy shot instead. It was a one off thing, but I was playing with a gun at the time and needed to be shown. It's brutal. Sometimes brutal lessons are needed. But that doesn't mean we condemn it or judge them. I doubt Mato judged his sister when she needed that lesson - he just carried it out. That's what we need to do. Not judge them, but help them learn. |
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What is the basis for all of these assertions about the afterlife consequences of suicide? Is this pure conjecture? Have people arrived at their spiritual hypothesis using the common logic we have developed here on earth in the flesh ? Why do people lend so much weight to these ideas? It seems worthwhile posing the question seeing as people seem to hold these meaning-of-life convictions as some sort of gospel. I know the afterlife phenomenon of the life review is well established in the medical field, and this could certainly be interpreted as an indication of some purposefulness of life. So...anyone care to comment on this? |
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The only thing I want to add is that to commit suicide is also God's Will. It's how the God, or the Universe manifests Itself through the person who commits suicide. | |
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| I agree Irisha and if that's the case then surely the person would not be punished for commiting suicide.Although i think that our bodies are a gift, to be looked after and cared for,i also believe that we have free will,and that free will may start from before birth.If we choose to come to Earth to experience and to learn certain lessons,whose to say that commiting suicide isn't one of them,as upsetting as that may be for us ,as humans, to understand or comprehend.However this is only my personal view and would not like to upset or offend anyone who has been affected by suicide!
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The bad side of suicide is not all that newagey stuff, but the fact that suicide simply does not stop the pain, it just spread it between more people, the people you leave behind. I want to suicide withouth them suffering too, so I guess I'll soon develop some incurable disease and I'll be gone of this nightmare for good. Let's see if the LOA works. | |
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I've been suicidal many times before, and still do get suicidal from time to time. Knowing my luck though, I'd either reincarnate with even worse karma than I have incarnated in this life, or I'd end right back in this incarnation from the beginning. No matter how crap and hopeless I feel, I'm wise in not rebelling against God, because that would mean rebelling against my own self essentially. Wake up man, I'm trying to smack some sense into you. You can't win this thing and you'll only make matters worse for yourself. It sucks that there is no escape from existence, but what are we gonna do about it?
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Wow, this is one crazy topic. I just want to say that if you do decide to suicide, you will never be this you again. Anyone you loved and cared about, you will never know them in this way again. Any qualities that you like about your life will be vanished. Any knowledge that you have acquired while here, will be washed away and your time spent on learning would have been in vain. If you had the wherewithal to be born here, then you have the wherewithal to live through it. By committing suicide you are showing your weakness and admitting defeat to the problems of your life. You don't even know what will happen if you die. If you think that you just don't exist anymore, then is it worth it to suicide and not exist for an eternity just because a few Earthly things got you mad? If there is reincarnation, who's to say that you will be in any better situation when you come again? |
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The trouble is, we seldom know what those pacts and commitments were when we're here. From the perspective of this existence, it's impossible to tell whether our actions are congruent with our purpose. That is why - since the dawn of man - we have turned to entities outside this experience in order to help us gain the perspective on our actions we cannot have ourselves in this life. But since I am a part of this experience, I can not tell you what your Path is. It may be that the act of ending your life is a fulfillment of a comittment you made to the spirit of a family member in order to teach them grief. It's not for me to say. | |
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Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
Hello my name is Steve and I am 22 years old. I work at a wood yard and I operate a large piece of machinery called a "HOG 3". On April 15, 2011 at 10:17am I was injured on the job by a falling log. The log was (estimated) 12'' diameter, 6' long, fresh-cut red cypress. Very heavy. I fully extended my left arm to catch the log from falling into my machine (which would have destroyed it, causing me to lose my job) and forced it over the railing onto the ground. Only 5 seconds after the log hit the ground I felt a severe burning sensation and every time I moved my arm I could feel popping and cracking. I'm a stubborn guy and figured the pain would go away after a little while. It didn't. I notified my employer about 15 minutes after the initial pain. My supervisor filled out a accident report. My supervisor then walked me to the Personnel Office to meet with the "personnel director". She had to set me up with an appointment with a "specialist" because "no one at the ER would be able to tell you anything". On April 18, 2011 after sitting home all weekend in severe pain I went to see and Orthopedic Specialist. (No names, no locations so don't ask). We'll call him "Dr. Vac". He evaluated me and told me he "thinks" I have a few torn tendons that make up my rotary cuff in my left shoulder. He places me on work restrictions which are: Carry, Lift floor to waist, Lift waist to overhead, push, pull anything over 5 pounds or reach overhead at all. He gave me a prescription for HYDROCO/APAP 7.5/500. He then refers me to an MRI specialist. On April 26, 2011 I went to a MRI specialist in the small city where I live. The bore on the MRI machine was too small for my broad shoulders and they couldn't get me in the machine past my neck. The MRI technician said that "this machine has the biggest bore on the market. We'll have to refer you to a place that has and open-MRI unit." On April 29, 2011 I went to a MRI specialist in Gainesville, FL (about a 45 minute drive from my home) and they have a Hitachi open-MRI unit. The scan lasted about 45 minutes. It was very nice, the technicians were very polite, they gave me ear plugs and music to listen to. After the scan was complete, I was told to redress and head to check-out to get my MRI images copied to a disk and an excuse for work. I was then contacted by my primary doctor (DR. Vac) and told to come in for another appointment on May 4, 2011 at 10:00am. The day of the appointment, I was contacted by Dr. Vac's receptionist, who rescheduled me to May 12, 2011 (today). On May 5, 2011 while on light duty, I bent over to pick up a stick and severe "shooting" pains ran down the left side of my back from my left shoulder to my shoulder blade, down the back of my left arm to my elbow, then to my fingertips and up into my neck. I have not been back to work since. I spoke to the "Big boss" at work, no problems there. So here's my problem... I went today to see Dr. Vac. He walked in with this little muscle "cut-away" display thing and some paperwork. He didn't introduce himself, ask me how I was doing, ask me if I was having anymore pain or problems... Nothing. He showed me on the muscle thingy what the problem I have is and on the paper I have it says: "Abnormal appearance of the posterior labrum consistent with posterior labral tearing/detachment." He said he would have to transfer care to a surgical specialist. I asked him "is that supposed to hurt this bad?" and he replied "This bad? Huh ha ha ha that type of injury hurts a lot more than just 'this bad'". So I started to tell him that even all the light duty jobs at my place of employment require me to use both arms and that I'm in severe pain and that most everything there besides pieces of trash (coke bottles, chip bags, etc) and even then the bags of garbage weigh over 5 pounds. He cut me off and said "I'm not changing your work restrictions, go see "Ms. S" at check-out and have a nice day." He then got up, tossed my papers in the chair next to, me walked out and slammed the door behind him. I thought that was very unprofessional and rude. My question is, if I need to be referred to a surgical specialist and the pain "hurts a lot more than just 'this bad'" why wouldn't he consider taking me out if work? It's miserable for me to work in such pain. Especially when I work outside all day and its 90 - 95 degrees. When I do go to work, I have to leave within an hour or two because of the pain. On a scale of 0 - 10 the pain is about a 7.5 - 8 as compared to the worst pain I've ever had (point-blank bullet wound). I'm covered by workers compensation, my insurer and my insurance adjuster gave me the over-the-phone recorded interview and told me he would allow continued coverage. Why do I have to work? Now I read on the workers compensation website that the doctor that my company chooses will try to "get me back to work as soon as possible even if it means your misery and suffering". Could this be the case? Please help before I contact a lawyer. Any advice is very very much appreciated and if you have any questions feel free to reply here or email me at firstname.lastname@example.com. Thank you very much.
Steve.O P.S. Sorry for the "novel". I just wanted you all to have enough information at hand to leave a response to help me. Thanks again... Sorry if I broke any forum rules in my post. I'm new here. Let me know what I did and I will do my best to correct the errors as soon as possible... Thanks Steve.O |
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
Kate on here is the one to go to for all the ins and outs on Fla.WC...but if they have a job for you within your restrictions you gotta go......and alot of work sites will find work for you even if its sitting there counting nuts and bolts....be happy about it...at least all your benifits are continuing and you will get a full check...if you go off on WC alot of your benifits stop and WC pay goes down to 66% or so........so if they are working with you and not giving you any problems....you are getting all your Dr and med bills paid.....man you are so far ahead of alot of people here....
;)Workmans comp is not a road you want to travel alone.You need a good lawyer,a great family and good friends to lean on.If you make it thru without losing everything you have worked for all your life,you have come out ahead of the game..... |
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
Hi Steve,
Unfortunately you will have to deal with this as much as possible. I have a friend that had rotator cuff surgery on a Tuesday and Wednesday she was at work sitting at a desk. On narcotics, arm in a sling, tears at times due to the pain but she had to comply. As long as they offer you work it's at your full pay. It's not easy and at times it's very unpleasant. The first department I was sent to after my injury was horrible. They moved my crutches, tripped me twice, wouldn't help me in any way, not even help with opening doors and I had to comply or face getting no medical care whatsoever. Do the best that you can do and like Jayne said, you're doing better than alot of us have. Take care, sorry we had to meet this way, Bodybuilder1958 |
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2011 03:51 PM by Steve.0.)
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
Thanks a lot for replying. I guess I didn't think about how much worse it could be. Thanks for opening my eyes. I don't know Kate or how to find her but if you happen to remember and see her point her here please and thank you
Steve.O Narcotics? I don't know much about prescription medications but aren't those the medicines everyone is getting addicted to. I saw something on MSNBC about "Hillbilly Heroin" oxycotton or something. I don't want that. Is there some other types of pain medications they can give me besides those? Thanks, Steve.O |
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
she will find you she is Momma on here quickest way tofind her is to do something wrong then she find you with a big ol ruler and pops your keyboard fingers....lol shes a Mod
;)Workmans comp is not a road you want to travel alone.You need a good lawyer,a great family and good friends to lean on.If you make it thru without losing everything you have worked for all your life,you have come out ahead of the game..... |
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
Many people have different tolerance to pain. Pain is subjective (medical definition: arising out of or identified by means of one's perception of one's own states and processes and not observable by an examiner). In other words, pain cannot be seen on an xray, MRI or measured by a machine.
The doctors are required to base their treatment plans, recommendations and work restrictions based on objective (medical definition: perceptible to persons other than the affected individual) findings. In other words, they need to be able to show results of some type of test, etc. to backup their findings. Not that they all do, but maybe your doctor is one that follows the requirements. Unfortunately, the law says that if your employer has work that is within the restrictions given by your physician, and you do not comply, they can stop your wage benefits. You still would receive your medical benefits. If you are being referred to a specialist, make sure you let him/her know what the job entails and the results of your attempts at return to work. If you don't at least try, you can't in all honestly tell them "I tried and can't do it". Once they have examined you, they may take you off work or changed your restrictions based on their exam. When is your next appointment? |
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
I'm not sure when it is. No one has called me yet to make an appointment. The company that calls me usually does so in a day or two. With the weekend coming up it'll probably be Monday or Tuesday before I know when my appointment is and probably a week after the scheduling call before I'll be seen again. It's such a hassle to deal with the pain but I know I have to anyway. Thanks Kate and whoever was kind enough to point her here
Steve.O |
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
she is all knowing and all seeing.....do something wrong and see how fast she finds you......lol
;)Workmans comp is not a road you want to travel alone.You need a good lawyer,a great family and good friends to lean on.If you make it thru without losing everything you have worked for all your life,you have come out ahead of the game..... |
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RE: Help Please... Florida Workers Compensation Question
ive got the same type of injury and live in the same area as you, we may have been to the same drs...i am lucky a have a wc dr who is concerned about my medical needs not the ic or employer,i assume your going into gainesville for any treatments..i can help only with my experience and who and where ive been treated in gainesville, and a lawyer office you need to avoid if you choose to look for one..kind of late so i will send you an e-mail at add you posted,we can keep names and such between us..good luck..hang in there
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