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Speak Out: Should Mark Warner Run for Governor Again?
Senator tells Associated Press he'll announce decision before Thanksgiving.
Sen. Mark Warner plans to announce before Thanksgiving whether he'll run for governor again, according to the Associated Press.
The former governor, a Democrat, served as the Commonwealth's chief executive from 2002 to 2006. Virginia is the only state in the country where a governor cannot succeed himself.
Former DNC chair Terry McAuliffe has already thrown his hat in the ring and will face Republicans Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling and state Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli.
If Warner walks away from another run for governor, he'll be teaming up in the Senate with the state's soon to be junior senator, Senator-elect Tim Kaine, who served as Warner's lieutenant governor and is himself a former governor of Virginia.
In a poll conducted Nov. 8-12 by Quinnipiac University, Warner "would begin the campaign as the overwhelming favorite," the pollsters said. Warner tops Bolling 53 - 33 percent and beats Cuccinelli 52 - 34 percent, the survey finds. Complete results of the survey are here.
What do you think? Should Warner make another run for governor, and if so why?
Bahri Aliriza
4:16 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
Warner did a great job as governer and is doing a great job as Senator. He should leave the governor job for Terry McAuliffe and Warner should upgrade and run for US President.
Bob Chase
4:34 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
No- We need him in the senate to counter some of those r knucleheads
Bob Chase
Jayne Byrnes
5:02 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
Warner absolutely run! VA Democrats need a choice. Northern VA brought in every Dem save one. We will replace Warner with a Dem! I see him running to be the big dawg in 2020 - don't forget about Hillary!
Tim Stevens
6:25 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
Hope Warner stays in the Senate; McAuliffe will make a good governor for VA
Robert Mowbray
4:38 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Will you pay for that with a special sales tax for residents of Woodbridge?
Jack Kenny
2:03 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
The Repubicans have Virginia running just fine - #2 in the nation on growth - surplus budgets - a leaner, more service oriented state services - a sane approach to financing the Silver Line Phase II. We don't need another Obama clone!
Carol Lewis
9:21 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Jack Kenny, The republicans in the Virginia Assembly have passed increasingly repressive laws about women, gays, and minorities. If Cuccinelli were to win, he'll send women and gays back to the dark ages. I agree that Virginia is good for business, but terrible at social issues. Warner is not an Obama clone, he was a fine governor, a great senator, and would be good in any position he holds.
12:10 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
I agree with Carol. The GOP has been all about heavy handed repressive social policies targeting women & gays. Cuccinelli is even worse. McDonnell ran on improving transportation, and he hasn't even tried to send NOVA money for that. Our roads & highways are falling apart. The GOP is all about putting women back in the kitchen & gays back in the closet. If they had their way, minorities wouldn't be allowed to vote, either, because the GOP now knows they can't win with their whites only strategy.
12:36 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Carol and Sandra, this is why what we really need is a more libertarian government. The republican party's social policies are a bit worrisome and the democrat's business sense is lacking.
Tammi Petrine
2:48 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Jack, surely you jest: GOP = "sane approach to financing the Silver Line Phase 2"?? What a joke!!! There is NO sane approach now nor has there ever been from EITHER side of the aisle. There never was a plan which is THE problem. Who sets the ball rolling on a huge infrastructure project with no rational, viable financing plan? Incumbents all should be ashamed of the burden they have foisted on their constituents with this debacle.
High tolls will kill the golden goose and lay waste to the DTR corridor. Are you sure you are a member of this community?
If so, what rock have you been hiding under?
Robert Mowbray
4:41 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Unfortunately Warner is more like a Republican that an Obama clone.
What sane approach to financing the Silver Line - an unfair typical Republican approach.
Robert Mowbray
4:45 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Warner, the republicrat, was good for business - his friends and associates.
Charles D.
7:04 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
If I am not wrong was it not tim kain who laied the ground work for the leaner meaner government, and is it not him and warner who looked over the proposition and disturbution of money for the silver line project
Barbara Glakas
7:25 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Correct. Kaine worked with the Bush administration to secure $900M for Phase 1 of the rail project.
During the recession, Kaine managed to keep Virginia's unemployment rate one of the lowest in the nation, Virginia's median income one of the highest in the nation, and Virginia's GDP, relative to others states, was better than when Allen was Governor during a period with a booming national economy.
Bob Bruhns
9:44 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Tim Kaine gave the Dulles Toll Road to MWAA, and appointed a couple of members to the MWAA Board that we remember so... fondly. Didn't one of those Kaine appointee Board members co-chair MWAA's Audit Committee, that held its meetings in secret session for years? Shame.
And didn't this region really weather the recession better than other regions because of the huge amount of federal spending here, that was unaffected by economic conditions and had nothing to do with Tim Kaine? I thought people knew about that. And now, federal spending is about to drop like a rock - at the same time that the double cost of the Kaine's Folly rail line will smash this region worse than a super hurricane. Virginia should definitely reconsider its mistaken selection of Mr. Kaine as one of its Senators.
Barbara Glakas
6:23 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
But Bob, how do you expect Virginia to "reconsider its mistaken selection of Mr. Kaine as one of its Senators?" We aren't going to have another election. And I don't think people "mistakenly" voted for him. They just disagree with your viewpoint. Not candidate is perfect, but I think Kaine has done right by Virginia in a variety of areas (Metro is not the only topic), and his message obviously resonated with the voters.
Bob Bruhns
6:57 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Barbara, the people of Northern Virginia are only now beginning to realize what some of us were warning them about, regarding Kaine's Folly - the Dulles Rail / Silver Line. I figure that most people will wake up suddenly when the Dulles Toll Road situation hits the wall, which should happen some time around 2015. After that, there will be a few years of the usual back and forth blame games full of disinformation, and that will confuse a lot of people. But by Kaine's next Senatorial election in 2018 , a whole lot of people will know what he did to them by handing this job to MWAA with his appointees on the Board there, and setting up the Toll Road as the cash cow. Kaine's only hope is to be the main Senator who really forces the Silver Line price down to earth and arranges a financing system that actually works, but I doubt he can do that.
Sue L
8:09 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
While I am certain that Sen. Warner would make an excellent Governor again, I believe he can better serve Virginia for the long term by staying in the Senate.
Wynne Kelch
8:18 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
I like what Senator Warner's been doing in the senate, especially as part of the Gang of Eight. I think his choice of which office to compete for should depend on who's likely to win the other one in his absence. If he leaves the Senate, who will replace him?
Howard Carlin
8:48 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
There is no guarantee that we will "replace Warner with a Dem" look how we almost wound up with the Macaca man just now. We must retain our advantage in the Senate. We already have a strong, announced candidate.
Isaac Cohen
9:23 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Potentially losing control of the Senate is not worth Warner becoming VA Governor just because he might be "happier" as Governor
Don Upson
9:37 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
As a Republican who knows Mark Warner well - and worked in his cabinet for a few months - I think he would serve Virginia and the country best as Governor BECAUSE he has served in the Senate. The state-Richmond-Washington connection is ever more important today, and he can lead with respect from both parties...
Julia Ellegood Pfaff
4:15 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Don- this is a very interesting insight which I haven't thought of. I can truly understand why he might want to leave the frustration of the Senate behind him. If he does choose to run he will be missed in the Senate. I truly believe that one of the great things that Virginia did was not allow our governors to run in consecutive terms. It seems to lead to real governing rather than campaigning and electioneering. My fear for the Senate will be whether we will have a sane voice who will have the respect of others replace him.
10:35 am on Monday, November 19, 2012
Warner is a well-respected, popular politician. I think he should stay in the Senate where he can support president Obama, speaker Pelosi, and senator Reid implement their Socialist Transformation of America.
Those Virginians that voted for Obama and Kaine in 2012 would probably support my suggestion, so that they can continue to ride in the wagon, rather than pay their fair share share to help pull it.
Eric Jeffrey
12:12 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
First. you should learn what the word "socialist" means. It does not mean anything you do not like.
As to supporters of Obama and Kaine, your facts are incorrect. Both Obama and Kaine did particularly well in Virginia's wealthiest counties. So unless you think that the wealthy did not vote, which they did, your comment is just silly. As one of those who pays for your benefits, I voted for both Obama and Kaine, because I want my offspring to have a brighter future than the alternative would have brought about.
Sour grapes always sounds exactly like what it is.
12:12 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Warner should stay in the Senate, because he is well-respected as a person who can get things done. Leaving his senate seat would result in a possible repressive-GOP clone taking that position. As governor, he would only be there for one session, whereas as senator he can continue on.
Ellison Heights-Mt. Daniel Civic Association
12:29 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Warner should retire
John Kuchenbrod
12:36 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Slight nitpick on the article--McAuliffe can't face both Bolling and Cuccinelli. Bolling, Cuccinelli, and potentially others would face off in whatever structure the Republicans choose for their nominating process, and then McAuliffe would face the winner only if he survives a primary (assuming there is one).
Mary Ann Barton
1:34 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
You are correct, I should have made that more clear -- the winner(s) of the primary/ primaries will face each other.
Julia Ellegood Pfaff
4:19 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
The sad thing is that the Republicans have chosen one of the least democratic ways of selecting their nominee-- A convention. It effectively silences any independent in the electorate from having a real choice. It is ashame that Ken Cuccinelli feels his only chance for getting a nomination is through a closed convention rather than an open primary.
Jayne Byrnes
1:00 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Howard, what makes you so certain McAuliffe would win? He may be able to buy his way in but I'm quite unsure his credentials will carry him. All I'm saying is I would like an alternative - doesn't have to be Warner. To Carol's & Sandra's points, if we don't put a Dem in the Governor's seat, we'll stay in the 1950"s.
I'm happy to read any literature you can point me to about Terry.
Mary Ann Barton
1:36 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Jayne you can read this profile of Mr. McAuliffe that Patch editor James Cullum wrote last year: http://lorton.patch.com/articles/what-is-terry-mcauliffe-up-to
Marshall Smith
2:03 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Don't need a Warner. Last time in he increased taxes and established a ginormus computer data base system in state govt tht we are paying millions for and we get all these IT snafus effecting state police, DMV and many other agencies. $$$ going into a sink hole!
Robert H. Smith
2:34 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
I think Warner should remain in the Senate. If he resigns, Bob McDonnell would likely resign to run for the Senate spot and win. McAuliffe would make a strong candidate against either Cuccinelli or Boling.
John Wittman
3:03 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Politics as Baseball
Let's look at the Democratic Party squad on our Virginia team: We've got a seasoned Mark Warner in the Senate who was traded up from the Governor slot. Then, we will have Tim Kaine in the Senate, another fine, experienced player, who also built his reputation as Governor. Contender Terry McAuliffe is batting on deck for Governor. He has worked the national curcuit and will need this elected office in Virginia to firm up his credentials. His timing to run for Governor is now a good move with Senators Warner and Kaine on the national bench.
Taken together, and assuming a win for McAuliffe, Virginia is in a solid "Blue State" league. This is the best line up for the next several years, especially since Mr. Webb left the Senate after only one term.
I particularly believe Mr. Warner should not leave his Senate seat for a second trip to Richmond. Why? He's been there once and continues to be really needed in the Senate. His seasoning, business experience and wisdom will make him a great leader in that body.
Now, let's play ball!
Paul Turner
3:53 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
The Democrats need a strong challenger to defeat Ken Cuccinelli
Julia Ellegood Pfaff
4:29 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Paul, I am not so sure that is true. Ken Cuccinelli will most likely send most moderate independent voters to the Democrats provided they don't present an extreme candidate. I think he will be a candidate like Jerry Kilgore (I think that was his name) or Creigh Deeds both of which were too extreme.
Doug Samuelson
8:04 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
The question is more whether the Democrats will get behind their candidate. Creigh Deeds wasn't so much too extreme as just plain uninspiring. Fairfax County had 81 percent turnout in 2012 and about 40 percent turnout in 2009 -- that's the difference. Obama and Kaine can organize people. Deeds couldn't. Warner can. I'm not sure about Terry M.
Robert Mowbray
4:55 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Where does Warner stand on environmental issues? I have written to him several times about environmental issues and have always received as wishy-washy non-commital response. I will vote for him no matter what office he runs for, but I will not be pleased with my choice.
Mary Ann Barton
4:57 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Robert I found this on the Senator's Web site: http://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/energyenviornment ...there seems to be a typo in the URL but it should take you there I think.
Robert Mowbray
5:33 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Thank you Mary Ann. Unfortunately, this link only includes a very superficial discussion of climate change and energy. I have not written to Senator Warner about either of these issues an do not recall exactly what I wrote to him about. I do recall that on of my messages asked Sen. Warner to support increased funding for the National Park Service. His response was non-commital. I received sa similar response to at least one other environmental issue I wrote to him about.
OT insider
10:31 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
It's a real shame that Bob McDonnell can't run for a second term. I don't see how Terry McAuliffe could win a statewide election here and Cuccinelli scares the crap out of me.
Virginia would best be served if we could keep both Gov. McDonnell and Sen. Warner. Damn term limits!
11:10 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Bob McDonnell is a liar. He ran on a platform that specifically stated he would send more transportation dollars from Richmond to the NOVA area. So far I have seen NOTHING from him regarding this. I refuse to vote for another Republican candidate, as all I have seen from them is their ridiculously repressive anti-women, anti-gay, anti-minority social policies.
Carol Lewis
8:12 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
OT, McDonnell is known as Governor Ultrasound. Do you think the majority of women in Virginia would support him? He's not as bad as Cuccinelli - I agree with you that he scares the crap out of me too - but he's just as determined to send women and gays back to the dark ages.
Just Joe
4:48 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
With his mouth open like it is, he should run for Fly Catcher.
Doug Samuelson
8:07 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
I would prefer to have Warner stay in the Senate and prepare to run for President in 2016. I'd love to have such a strong Democratic candidate for Governor, too, but you can't have everything. He was a really good Governor, as well, but the Senate is a better place for him right now.
Beth Lawton
5:15 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Mark Warner announced this afternoon that he will be staying in the Senate and not running for governor. More about his announcement is here: http://fairfaxstation.patch.com/articles/mark-warner-announces-he-will-not-run-for-governor
8:46 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
I am glad. I love Mark Warner, but we need him in the Senate and I also believe that he is a potential candidate for President in 2015. I think we will have some great candidates running for Governor.
joe brewer
5:58 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
For a lighter side
Turkey of the year candidates,
Ann Csonka
Barbara Glackas
Chamber of commerce
Kenny F. Powers
Frank Jameso
Denise Pierce
The Millers and the Weintraubs
but the Great Gobbler of the year is
Supervisor Ken Reid
Carol Lewis
8:11 am on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
You forgot me, Joe. I'm happy to join these people. Maybe you could concentrate on what you're thankful for instead of name calling.
Barbara Glakas
6:40 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. :-)
4:51 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Greetings to all of you Retropubs out there. Welcome from the voice of reason alternative to the GOTP (or is it GORP?). My short list for the Adolf award:
Anyone that goes by the moniker 'joe b'
Deborah Kelly
Marshall smith
Don Joy
Kathy Keith
And the winner / whiner is.....
Deborah Kelly
10:16 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
The "Adolph Award" really - is Patch letting you get away with more nasty writing again KEL? It seems to me you should be getting the "Queen B" award for the year for only being able to understand your own point of view and for constantly trying to distort the point of view of others. You've never once represented any of our views correctly, but again that was deliberate. Ridicule and deceive! Actually it should be RD & D because distort is a big part of your musings. You Go Girl! You should be proud of yourself! My only consolation is that not only did I get your goat but I obviously got under your skin because you can't seem to shake me! Maybe you need to concentrate on happier things like - it's the holidays and your candidate won, so why are you so bitter!
5:47 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I award the "Stamp Out Diversity of Thought Award" to KEL.
10:54 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
To Deborah Kelly,
Back from the dead; I may have to reconsider you for honorable mention for the Adolf award. I thought that you had been banished like your deposed cretin cellmate Don A. Joy but alas you have only been censored and have risen again! The Fatherland would be proud. Do you actually have something to contribute to this thread or are you just out to reprise your racist rants and Axis thoughts again? It is a fait accompli as to what you stand for. Why don't you do us all a favor and just slink back under your rock if you don't have anything of substance to contribute to this discourse.
Deborah Kelly
11:09 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
I agree Jody! It seems just because we disagree with KEL we are somehow racists - more distortion. Okay KEL - you are the true racist for calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist! Oh, and all Democrats and liberals are racists - does that make sense to you? I also agree with Carol that for those whose candidate won the election there is such a thing as being a gracious winner - Lots to learn KEL - you've got time to grow up! Remember it is the holidays and your candidate did win - not really a time for you to be bitter - you should be happy!
Carol Lewis
11:18 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
KEL, give it a rest. You are getting to be as bad as Don Joy. Please, enough of the name calling and hateful rhetoric. It gets us nowhere.
Carol Lewis
7:24 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I find all of this really annoying. We live in a terrific area of a wonderful country. We just had an election and one man won. Some of us think he is the right one, others think he is not. To those whose guy lost, he lost, get over it. To those whose guy won, there is such a thing as being a gracious winner. But we don't need to be handing out obnoxious awards to our neighbors and engaging in childish name calling. Grow up. And give some thought to the fact that you live in a country such as ours. Happy Thanksgiving to all, especially Barbara.
7:25 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Nice try Jody! However, your hatred of the brown race doesn't merit you even an honorable mention here. Difference between my form of diversity and yours is that mine encompasses whites, browns, blacks, and Asians and your tent is limited to you, Don Joy, Marshall Smith, Glen Beck, Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh and a few too many others that just for some reason are jealous of the brown man.
12:41 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
I don't know where you got that notion KEL! To me diversity should be about everyone having the same rights under the law and all living how they want to live and all of us trying to get along with each other. I don't have a problem with that whatsoever. I have a problem with our country being invaded by hispanics in such numbers that they feel they can retain their language and culture indefinitely, are adding unaffordable economic costs to our economy, and disrupting American neighborhoods and culture. There is no racist aspect to wanting foreigners to respect the law and for wanting to retain our right to control our immigration. Anyone can be a conservative; everyone is welcome! Liberal rhetoric is toxic and divisive, and no one more divisive than Obama. Anyone who disagrees with the left is labelled a racist. Free speech is going down the tubes, even at colleges.
10:28 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Nice recap of my comments & I stand by every word, but it doesn't show my "hatred of the brown race" as you put it. Seems no one can discuss immigration or the effects illegal immigration has had and is having on our country without being called a racist in this thought police liberal society that has been pushed down our throats. That's why you won the Lack of Diversity of Thought award. I don't care if you like what I think; but you don't even think I should be allowed to express my opinions. The truth is that hispanics have been breaking the law coming here illegally en masse for a solid thirty years and know that we eventually reward them with citizenship. This is a problem. This isn't "diversity," this is taking over another country without firing a shot. You think I'm lacking in respect? They lack respect for our laws. I guess it's easier to label and discount conservatives than it is to have a real discussion of the issues.
10:47 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
We are either Americans or just a bunch of people living in the same country. Texas fought battles for their independence from Mexico. Actually, US citizens moved into Texas illegally,surpassed the Mexicans population wise and fought to take it over. After we won those battles, we fought the Mexican-American war to retain Texas and after winning that we bought the rest of the Spanish territories that are not part of the US. Did these wars mean anything? Does the rhetoric of LaRaza and popular Mexican authors expressing the view that they should (and will) take over the US by population growth and then break away into their own country bother anyone? Reminds me of a civil war we fought where over a half a million people died. I don't want to willingly hand our country over to anyone, even our own native American tribes.
10:51 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Nice recap of my comments & I stand by every word, but it doesn't show my "hatred of the brown race" as you put it. Seems no one can discuss immigration or the effects illegal immigration has had and is having on our country without being called a racist in this thought police liberal society that has been pushed down our throats. That's why you won the Lack of Diversity of Thought award. I don't care if you like what I think; but you don't even think I should be allowed to express my opinions. The truth is that hispanics have been breaking the law coming here illegally en masse for a solid thirty years and know that we eventually reward them with citizenship. This is a problem. This isn't "diversity," this is taking over another country without firing a shot. You think I'm lacking in respect? They lack respect for our laws. I guess it's easier to label and discount conservatives than it is to have a real discussion of the issues.
8:09 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
Carol, I agree. However, for some reason there is a committed sect of what I call Retropubs that deny reality, scientific truths, etc. and insist on relying on Drudge, Rushpo, Beck, Faux and fellow Retropubs bloggers and the like for their faux information. Add to this their overt racist rants and you have the embodiment of the current mob that hijacked my party.
Carol Lewis
8:35 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
I understand, Kel, and I wish your party would change. We need two healthy political parties in this country. However, name calling doesn't bring about change. It's childish and misdirected. I've been very disappointed at the way people attack each other on Patch instead of having an adult, open, honest, but respectful conversation.
9:54 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
To Jody:
In your own words: "I have a problem with our country being invaded by hispanics in such numbers that they feel they can retain their language and culture indefinitely, are adding unaffordable economic costs to our economy, and disrupting American neighborhoods and culture."
Also from Jody...
11:45 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
This is a very sad day for America. Hispanics that shouldn't even be here are deciding the election.
Also from Jody...
7:56 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012
I can't imagine a child in Fairfax County who would be comfortable enough to state in school that diversity creates problems we have to deal with and makes it harder to be unified as a country. They would probably be expelled for not swallowing the party line. I think this hyper-focus on diversity is detrimental.
To Jody...
Two points. First many Hispanics have been residents in this country for many generations more than your white bread forefathers. Bottom line is get used to it. Even Newt, Jindal, Jeb and the rest of the GOP are ready to strike a deal on immigration. Even w/o more immigration, whites will lose about 2 percent and minorities will gain 2 percent in the next 4 years making the numbers game even harder for Retropubs in 2016 given their quite obvious display of hatred of minorities. Your leaders aren't stupid; you'll have to accept more respect for Hispanics by the GOP in the future.
Bob Bruhns
9:59 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Oh, great. "White bread." This is just what we need. Here comes "Oh, but I was just making a point. Etc."
Who scripts this stuff?
10:26 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
To Jody:
Third point:
Unless you are a full-blooded American Indian you don't have any real claim on this country either. Many Mexican-Americans (you seem to lump everyone 'flooding the borders' as Hispanic but I believe that you are referring mainly to those people who come immediately from south of the Mexican border) as a group, have both Native American and European ancestors. I would hazard to say that a high percentage of Mexican Americans have more Native American blood in them and probably more than you or me for that matter so one could make the case that they are actually more entitled to this land than 'we' are.
Fourth point: Until Congress writes and passes a law that restricts U.S. companies from hiring 'illegals' and assesses and collects reasonable fines and the economy is better here than down there, short of arming drones to shoot them while they cross, they will continue to come here.
8:00 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Fifth point: Jody, you are doing a great job digging and digging deeper and deeper. Your racism and hatred for anyone that doesn't look like you has a lot of fellow racist proponents in this part of the country riled up and just salivating to take action. Rather than try to find ways to live with people that are different you prefer that we go the way of the Brits v. the Irish in N. Ireland or like Hamas v. Israelis or the Serbs v. the Croatians or the French v. the Huguenots, the Axis Germans v. anyone of Jewish heritage, the Ottoman Turks v. the Armenians, etc., etc., etc. Why don't you tell us your final solution is for all of the brown people who happen to be in this country at the moment? Be honest and tell us what you would really do.
Carol Lewis
10:42 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Kel, re your comments to Jody, while I disagree with many of her views, I don't think it's right for you to call her a racist. In so doing, you turn off all possibility of discussion. No one wants to be thought of as a racist. I wish we had a different word for it. The only time I agreed with Don Joy on Patch was when he said we are all a bit racist. He's right; we live in a racist society unfortunately. We all have our biases.
Jody, I disagree that "anyone" who disagrees with the left is called a racist. You are free to disagree with me anytime and I won't call you a racist just because you disagree. I do feel you have problems with diversity - we had a discussion of what FCPS are teaching in that regard. It would help if we all put ourselves in others' shoes for awhile, and consider what life would be like if we were the "other." And I disagree that Obama is divisive; it is the reaction to him, mainly coming from the right, that is divisive.
11:01 pm on Wednesday, November 21, 2012
You all crack me up how the minor differences of a one party system masquerading as a two party system actually means anything. You all bring up your little points, but the overall context is the same. Kind folks, please stop giving into the Balkanization of us into racial groups and left vs right. The real problem is the bigger the govt. gets, in general, is the larger threat us all as citizens. Fox, CNN, and MSNBC are just infotainment. Newspeak is your ever watched 1984. Sure you can tune into them to justify your political leanings, but the difference is outside of the regular news, it is just op ed with whatever flavor you agree with.
Yet now we have a congress who is ineffective and a senate and oval office who will blame congress for their own nonsense. It's all BS. I am tired of the D and R dynamic. Both of those have only made the government bigger...which is the root cause of this insane debt and inept of dealing with this fiscal cliff nonsense. I am in serious doubt of any resolution to that debacle, which further prolongs the problem.
At the same time, we are up in arms about the right wanting to deny contraceptives to women and the left calling everyone who disagrees with them a racist trying to bring America back to the 1950s. But hey, that gets you involved about something to make you not pay attention to the fiscal cliff, so I guess all is good?
joe brewer
8:31 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Well put James! The partisan voting is a sorry excuse for any elected offical. All this nincompoop got was that you left out faux news, good lord!
9:45 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Kel and Joe, "Fox, CNN, and MSNBC" is what I wrote there :)
8:13 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
I notice that you conveniently leave out Faux News in your group of infotainment outlets; I guess just an oversight and surely not on purpose. They are by far the biggest provider of the totally biased and one-sided slant toward the GOTP bubbleality as their brand was never to be about real news but as the world seen through the eyes of a powerful Aussie ad his evil sidekick Roger Ailes. Other Differences exist that you choose to neglect such as newscasters on CNN and MSNBC not being allowed to contribute one dime to political campaigns whilst those on Faux News can contribute anything they want to the GOTP and it's superpacs. To not point out these facts about Faux points out your true bias and jaded view of the world.
8:28 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
My view is that Faux is not the same as the other news outlets as their mission is to only provide the news that two powerful men decide to portray. Other news outlets can and do provide slanted coverage through the views of a particular newsman on a particular program such a Joe Scarborough on Mornin Joe. One would be hard pressed to find one news celeb on Faux that portrays a liberal POV for example unless you consider perennial punching bag Alan Coombs who appears only occasionally and doesn't have his own show. To imply that all programming on CNN and MSNBC is simply infotainment like Faux is simply not true.
Kathy Keith
9:06 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
My family spends time watching ALL the major news outlets. We always watch CBS and NBC evening news. It is interesting that neither of these spent much time on Fast and Furious--even though CBS was the network that first broke the story. Like it or not, it is a story that should have been reported far more than it was.
Benghazi issues were largely ignored by the networks after the initial events. I watched the CSpan hearings and they were hardly touched by the networks, even though some of the testimony was explosive. (For example, the State Department really screwed up BEFORE the events.) Fox was the only network that investigated this. Could it be because of the elections?
Catherine Herridge and Jennifer Griffin on Fox are two very persistent reporters on National Security issues.
CBS must have reported on Romney's 47% gaffe nightly for almost a month--maybe more. Is that really "news"? Yet they hardly touched Benghazi before the election.
Sure, Fox is slanted--but the others are all slanted the other way.
Have you ever watched Soledad O'brien on CNN or Chris Matthews and Laurence O'Donnell or Ed Schultz on NBCNEWS?
Have you seen NBCNews commentators talking about Susan Rice and racism? It appears that if you criticize an African American woman that you are a racist and a misogynist--unless you are a liberal criticizing Condaleeza Rice rather than Susan Rice.
And, by the way, everyone should read liberal Dana Milbank on Susan Rice. He is not a fan.
10:35 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
To Kathy Keith:
BTW, Dana Milbank is not a liberal if you take him at his word on his past voting record.
Doug Samuelson
9:26 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Kathy, have you considered the possibility that the major networks downplayed Benghazi because the Government asked them to do so for the sake of national security? We know that there was a highly secret CIA mission at that consulate. There are reasons other than the election for wanting to leave this to the agencies' investigators for a while.
Kathy Keith
5:35 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012
I have considered that possibility. However, omitting facts is one thing--making them up is another!
To blame the assasination on a "protest" gone out of control caused by a video defies common sense when there was no protest--therefore the video was not the cause. Rice doubled down on this story repeatedly.
Question is: if Rice was going on these "talking points" when CIA, White House, and State now all say they knew that it was terrorism right away--why was she given those "talking points"? She could have just said that it was under investigation.
Question 2: If you were sent out to talk --don't you have some responsibility for what you are saying? I certainly did not believe it was a video.
Doug Samuelson
9:28 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
And how did this thread on whether Mark Warner should run for Governor turn into a rehash of the ideological bombast from the campaign? The election is over, thank Heaven. The outcome is beyond reasonable dispute. Let's move on!
9:31 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Problem is that Faux is different from all other so-called News organizations. They are much like the media moguls's organization in the James Bond film, "Tomorrow Never Dies" that attempts to induce news in order to obtain exclusive global media coverage. Faux does this by picking up feeds from various right wing nuts along the lines such as "Obama is taking away the work requirement for welfare' ,or other stuff from Drudge or other right wing collections and then trial-ballooning it as news. Infotainment is not the right name for it; it would be more accurate to call it Bubbletainment or Bubblenews as it is devoid of real world facts.
Infotainment is also the wrong label for CNN and MSNBC. CNN is certainly not very entertaining in the least although its information is assessed as by independent evaluators as middle of the road overall (in my view it is a slight left lean). MSNBC with its evening slots has a definite left slant but again programs like Mornin Joe with Scarbourough and others such as the Cycle with S.E. Cupp keep it more honest. The only meager attempt at Faux to steer toward a real world discourse is by Chris Wallace on his programs...I would like to see more of Shep and Chris and much less of Hannity and O'Reilly.
10:32 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
The are all infotainment, just remember the Casey Anthony coverage on ALL of the time, or some L. Lohan nonsense being the top story. It's bad when stuff like that is made the top story, before they talk about our credit rating going down, international news, or the wars we are involved in.
Montel Williams does a great job at calling it out when Heath Ledger passed away.
Remember when there was news on fox (our local affiliate, not fnc) and after that news there was that tabloid show "Current Affair"? Now, it is all mixed into this nonsense is infotainment.
Say what you will about drudge, my absolute favorite thing about his site is not necessarily what is posted at the top, but if you scroll down the the bottom of the page he has all of these wonderful news source links that A-Z link is huge, and many of those sites are bookmarks I have had for years. I am thankful for some of the things independent and internet news sources are doing out there these days.
Kevin Chisholm
9:54 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
A little political trivia ... anyone know how Mark Warner got his millions?
Carol Lewis
10:04 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
I think it was cell or car phones? He endeared himself to me and many other moms when he spoke at my son's college graduation and his word of advice to the graduates was "Call your mother!"
Kevin Chisholm
10:14 am on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Yes. You are onto it. It was not just hard work, though, I can assure you.
Republicans have mystified many in their dysfunctional choice for candidates. I wonder what they will do with the Senate race.
Kevin Chisholm
8:23 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Mark Warner "won the lottery". He timed it just right and submitted a flood of applications for FCC rights for cell phone coverage and several landed and made him a multi-millionaire.
Carol Lewis
8:39 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
I think he failed at his first business. Good for him on his timing.
11:47 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
One thing that Don Joy and I have in common is our commitment to the GOP. However, we differ in that I am fighting for the sanity of my party and he and Deborah Kelly are fighting to further the insanity of it! Is there any hope in the future for people like John Huntsman and people that support him in the GOP? Look at Mark Warner and Jim Webb. They were accepted with open arms in the Democratic party. But now centrists/realists like John Huntsman and Dick Lugar are simply cast about. Our once great party is being ripped apart.
Deborah Kelly
12:33 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
I've always faught (as you put it) for the sanity of the Republican Party yet I've never once read anything you've said that's indicated you have any connection to the Republican Party - you bash it every time you get a chance. You throw crap at everyone who disagrees with you hoping something will stick? - boy does that sound familiar. I'm the one who kept pointing out that your candidate is half white, so which half am I against or am I just against people of mixed race - I guess you'll decide for me, as usual. While the Republican Party may not be perfect, I do think we need a two party system and you would be foolish to think the Democratic Party is anywhere near perfect. That's nothing to get angry over, if you want to see the Republican Party change then then go to some of your local committee meetings and make positive suggestions. Ranting and screaming and calling everyone a bible thumper or a racist not only is extremely innacurate but, it doesn't solve anything and generally just gets ignored. There is no perfect party and yet Congress as a whole still needs to work hard to make sure the country (everyone) is properly represented. 47% or whatever it was, is slightly less than half the country - that's how many people didn't want the outcome they received in the election. These people still need to be represented, not told to sit down and shut up and that they are racists for not agreeing with everything the Obama Administration has done or is doing.
Carol Lewis
12:44 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Well, KEL, you won't bring it back together by name calling and hurling insults at them. That puts you on their level. Take the high road and root for people like Huntsman and Lugar. You certainly do need to mend your party, but you and Deborah and Jody go about it the wrong way. None of you will solve anything doing what you are all doing on Patch. Take it outside. We've gone far afield of the original question on Mark Warner.
Carol Lewis
12:50 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Deborah, Obama was the first one to say on election night that he has heard the voices of those that didn't elect him. The 47% you allude to was originally Romney's comment about Obama voters, that included the elderly, the poor, and veterans. I didn't vote for Bush but I accepted him as my president. Many in your party don't want to accept Obama as legitimate and that is largely based in racist attitudes. I'm not calling you a racist, but I am saying that those who strove to de-legitimize him acted out of racism, calling him a Muslim,not born in the US, lazy, undeserving of his college achievements, etc. I've never seen such hatred directed toward a president.
At any rate, neither Obama nor anyone in his administration has told you to shut up and sit down. No one has said the Democratic party is perfect. At least I haven't. KEL is a republican, BTW. Lastly, you have done your share of name calling on Patch. It's time you all stop and make suggestions as to how we can come together for the good of the country. You don't have to like or agree with everything Obama has done or is doing, but he is the president. Your side is amply represented in Congress. Fear not.
Deborah Kelly
1:57 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
When I mentioned the the 47% or whatever it was (it may have been 48% or 49%) I was referring to the Americans who didn't vote for the President. I believe Obama had about 51%. I'm sorry I thought I was clear on that. I didn't mean to confuse the 47% that Romney referred to that caused such a stir. In an effort to work with both sides I do feel Sen. McCain should be able to hold an investigation and speak his mind without everyone calling him a racist - his comments have nothing to do with Susan's race - such a lame copout. I'm hoping for the best and hoping that Obama proves me wrong and does a grand job in his second term! I want to see Americans employed and the deficit go down and we all must see an end to ridiculous out-of-control spending. We need America to be strong and we need politicians to get us to a balanced budget. And to keep on topic - I'm not a fan of Mark Warner and I'm glad he's decided to not run for Governor.
Carol Lewis
2:34 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Deborah, in any election, someone gets the majority and those who don't just have to live with it and make the best of it. I believe that Sen McConnell sought to do in Obama by defeating every initiative of his at every term. We elect people to Congress to serve the people, not to serve the aims of the next presidential candidate. As for John McCain, he missed the briefing that the Senators got on the Benghazi situation so he could give a press conference to blast Susan Rice. As I said before, we are too quick to call people racist, but I do think McCain has an agenda where she is concerned. By all means have an investigation and let him ask the questions. But he seems hell-bent on accusing her of all sorts of things and refuses to admit that she read from talking points she got from the CIA. I think his attack is a bit over the line. Is it racist? Only he knows.
Re spending, it has actually gone down under Obama. I agree we need a balanced budget but it shouldn't be balanced on the backs of the middle class when there are gazillionaires out there who could be paying more taxes, and when corporate welfare is rampant. And if we need to spend money to help the poor, the sick, and the most vulnerable among us, then spend away. There are desperate people out there who need help and the charities can only do so much.
Deborah Kelly
11:10 am on Monday, November 26, 2012
Yes Carol,
We've established in any election someone wins and someone loses and everyone lives with whatever comes from it. As far as John McCain is concerned I do not believe he has any agenda towards Susan Rice or that he is a racist or that he thinks little of women. Susan Rice is just the beginning of his investigation. Her story (whether it was all she knew or not) is really not even the issue, In her position she should have known what was going on, but that's not even the issue. The real investigation seeks to find out why there wasn't adequate security and protection for the Americans at the Embassy, and if the Administration felt they couldn't provide the necessary security then why weren't these Americans pulled out of the Embassy and out of harms way. The point has already been established that there were many many forewarnings in previous months, along with direct communication from the Ambassador himself saying (in a nutshell) that things had gotten out of control and it wasn't safe there anymore, asking for additional security and stating that he felt the Libyan security there had been infiltrated. He cited people coming into the Embassy taking many pictures, etc. Now all that mess is one issue. Issue number two is why weren't these brave Americans (you know the ones being murdered in real time, even according to your news stations) given help when they were begging for help. The President said the buck stops at his desk. The truth will come out.
Carol Lewis
12:38 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012
Deborah, as for Susan Rice, I still don't see how she should have known what was going on in spite of information she got from the intelligence community. She was asked to be on Sunday TV and given her talking points. She's the messenger. I think McCain's attacks on her intelligence and capability are over the line. She may have gotten it wrong but she's not stupid, and when capable people are attacked on that score, I believe some bit of racism is involved. McCain has his points but he's made it personal and that's what I have a problem with.
I agree with you that something went horribly wrong, that people who asked for help didn't get it (although Congress bears some responsibility for that), and those people died who shouldn't have. As for it appearing on "my" news I thought TV news was for everyone and everyone was free to watch what they wanted. Be that as it may, Deborah, I enjoy having a calm and reasoned conversation with you. We both want what's good for the country; we differ on how to get there.
Kathy Keith
3:26 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
According to Senator Ayotte (who spoke with Amb. Rice today), Amb. Rice did have access to the Daily Intelligence Briefing and DID know that there was an Al Queda connection when she spoke on TV. So, why did she insist on the protest of a video (which did not occur) causing the spontaneous outbreak of violence? From what I heard Ayotte say, Rice said that it was because the information was classified.
Problem is--it is okay to keep information from the American people if there is a security risk--but it is not okay to make stuff up. Big difference. She could have just stayed with the "under investigation" story--but she didn't. The question is "why"? And, who made the decision.
It appears that her story is now changing.
Can't help but wonder if it is because the week before the President had insisted that al Queda was on its heels.
Chuck Stein
5:06 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
It's dismaying that some otherwise intelligent-sounding people are claiming that attacks on Susan Rice are motivated, at least in part, by racism. Let's get serious here. Ms. Rice went on TV and told a humdinger of an untruth, repeatedly. Any competent government needs to get to the bottom of why one of the country's top foreign policy officials got the issue so wrong, repeatedly and publicly, especially as this individual is apparently being primed for a promotion to the State Department. And if you still insist on hiding behind the racist canard, then I will pull it out on those who have criticized Condi Rice. Fair, no?
Carol Lewis
6:41 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Chuck and others, this is my point about the attacks on Susan Rice. There is much to be investigated about these horrible attacks - we were unprepared and people died. But McCain, Graham, and Ayotte are going after the wrong person. They should be talking to Hillary Clinton and the head of the National Security Council. The NSC developed the talking points and distributed them to members of the administration and to Congress so the Senators had them before Rice even went on TV, and they haven't claimed that she said anything different from what they were given. She talked from those points. I disagree that as Ambassador to the UN she should have known better! She would no more know what was going on in Bengazi that the Ambassador to Sweden would. Also, she could hardly be given those points, and then go on TV ad say "here is what the NSC said but I think it's not true." She didn't cause the attack but the Senators act like it. They are, I think going after her to get Obama and their charges are over the top and they are beginning to be a bit ridiculous.
joe brewer
12:32 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
How about getting illegals to deport by giving them $5,000.00 and a plane ticket. If we deport just the illegal Mexican population it will cost of 285 billion dollars or 23 thousand per person we could offer them 5 k and a ticket. 18 thousand dollars less per deportation. 1000 dollars when they land in their home country or about 13000 pesos then after 60 days they can get another $500.00 from their bank in person then 30 days for each additional $500.00 until it reaches $5000.00. The stipulation is that if you come back you go to jail for 2 years then get deported.
Doug Samuelson
1:04 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Carol, thanks for injecting some calm, civility and good sense into this discussion. Really, people, the election is over, the result is beyond reasonable dispute, now let's start on what to do next!
Joe, are you saying there are 1.2 million Mexican illegals in the country? That's what your number ipmply. Where did you get that figure, and what do you count as an illegal? My concern would be that a lot of people who didn't want to venture coming in here illegally would now do so to get the $5000. Also, keep in mind that people cross our border illegally for more than one reason. If they came in to try to become permanent residents here, the $5000 would only delay their plans. If they came in smuggling stuff, the plane ticket subsidizes their costs. In any event, it only works if the probability of catchinhg them quickly is high. This idea needs more work, I think.
joe brewer
8:11 am on Monday, November 26, 2012
The numbers imply 12 million if you divide 285 billion by the current cost of 23 thousand I thought that was clearly stated. My idea is a part of the solution. Give the illegals 6 months to sign up for the program and a opportunity to choose their departure date. Tighten border controls and smuggling detections, if they do not sign up then when they get caught they get deported with no money. My way saves almost 75% of the deportation costs.
4:08 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
My solution KEL: Real immigration reform: 1) End birthright citizenship where babies born here automatically are given citizenship. This encourages illegal immigration and makes it hard to deport parents of citizens. 2) Enforce laws already on the books by not allowing illegal aliens to work, by deporting, and by forcing the federal immigration authorities to cooperate with local police when determining citizenship or trying to turn illegals over to them to be deported, 3) temporary work VISA's, and 4) Get Mexico to police their side of the border & provide for their own rural poor to keep them at home where they prefer to be in the first place (by providing some of the money we'd save if necessary).
The government isn't being forthcoming about what legal and illegal immigration is costing us, how easy it is to lay low and get a green card, how current immigration laws aren't being enforced, and how an abundance of low-skill workers is depressing wages. They are singing the "diversity is wonderful" lullaby meant to close down any dissent or discussion.
The Dems want to throw open the borders and let everyone in because they know that newcomers aren't attached to our country's history or culture and will vote with the Democrats to change the US beyond recognition into a bunch of self-interested groups who want "social justice" whatever the hell that is.
I'm sure you'll find a way to make this RACIST because that seems to be your focus.
Barbara Glakas
5:28 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Here are experts from a story dated Nov. 18, 2012:
"(Reuters) — Two U.S. senators launched a fresh move to put together a bipartisan immigration reform plan restarting talks on a proposal that includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the country.
"Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press," Democratic Senator Charles Schumer said he and Republican Senator Lindsey Graham have agreed to resume talks on immigration reform that broke off two years ago.
"Obama in 2010 called the proposal backed by Graham and Schumer a "promising framework," but it made no headway.
"The Graham and Schumer plan has four components: requiring high-tech, fraud-proof Social Security cards to ensure that illegal workers cannot get jobs; strengthening border security and enforcement of immigration laws; creating a process for admitting temporary workers; and implementing a path to legal status for immigrants already in the country.
"Schumer said the plan embraces "a path to citizenship that's fair, which says you have to learn English, you have to go to the back of the line, you've got to have a job, and you can't commit crimes."
8:52 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
It's about thirty years too late, it doesn't address the anchor baby issue, we will still have a glut of low-skill workers depressing wages, we'll still have the high costs for education, social services, health care etc., our culture is disrupted, and it gives eventual amnesty to millions of people who shouldn't be here. Other than that, it sounds lovely.
Barbara Glakas
5:29 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Spelling correction: In the above post I meant "excerpts," not "experts."
Doug Samuelson
2:00 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012
OK, Joe, so your numbers do imply 12 million, not 1.2 million, illegal aliens of Mexican origin in the U.S. (I was at a friend's computer, with connection problems, and couldn't see the screen very well -- hence the typos.) Your line of argument is clear and the potential impact is that much more striking. But, again, where did these numbers come from, and what's the definition? "Undocumented" isn't quite the same thing as "illegal," and under current law, the children born in the U.S. of parents here illegally are, nevertheless, U.S. citizens, as you noted -- so a family of eight with two illegals as the parents would count as 2, not as 8. And some of the Latino immigrants, migrant workers and smugglers (again,a distinction you didn't make) are from other countries besides Mexico.
And, again, how confident are you that we cold quickly and correctly identify who's here illegally? I thought that was a big part of the problem. If we can't determine quickly who already got the $5000, how do we enforce your proposed solution?
Cheryl Darby
3:49 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Stop all the attacks on Susan Rice. Where were you when Condi Rice was not exactly being truthful about 9/11? And now she's out here criticizing this Administrtion? Give me a break. Even McCain has backed off on his attacks on Susan Rice. He and Graham appear to be hell-bent on impeaching Obama. They would rather spend their time doing that than addressing the very real issues facing us. How sad a man like McCain has let his hatred and bitterness blind his judgment to such an extent. How sad some posters on this thread can't also put country ahead of their personal feelings.
Carol Lewis
3:14 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Deborah and Kathy Rice does have credibility with other nations - she's the UN ambassador and has done amazing things there, including negotiating with China. She was asked to be the spokesperson, how would she see that as "being used." Again...they are going after the wrong person, they are aiming at the messenger rather than addressing the substantive problems, and it is for political gain, whether to embarrass Obama or finagle a way for Kerry to be Sec of State. Why don't we all wait till Hillary Clinton completes her investigation in the state dept and reports to the senate before we make a final judgement on Susan Rice.
Doug Samuelson
11:57 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
It is also worth noting that Susan Rice has said, more than once, that she withheld some of the accurate information she had to avoid compromising the investigation. It is not unusual, in any law enforcement investigation shortly after the event, to do this, or even to put out deliberate falsehoods, to keep from alerting the perpetrators that the investigators are on their trail.
And, yes, if Obama should be impeached and removed for what happened in Benghazi, then George W. Bush deserves at least as much for 9/11, and he, Colin Powell and Condi Rice all deserve it for misleading the U.N., the American people, and who knows who else about WMD in Iraq. Unless, of course, once again, the statements about WMDs were based on seemingly solid information that should not be revealed because we need to protect sources and methods.
Kathy Keith
7:05 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Not sharing information is one thing--making it up out of whole cloth is another.
There was no protest in Benghazi. Amb. Rice did not have to go on TV. She could have just said that she didn't know.
Hussein did not allow inspection. He had used WMD on his own people. Those are facts.
Question: If the American people question her honesty--how can the rest of the world trust her as Secretary of State?
Carol Lewis
8:13 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Kathy, please don't include me and millions of other among those who question Amb Rice's honesty. The ones who seem to are the three senators who interviewed her. She didn't have to meet with them and they could have asked all the questions they wanted until they were satisfied. It wasn't too off base to think the Benghazi attack started with a protest, as there had been protests in Egypt and other places in the region. She didn't make it up, she did what she was asked to do. As for Saddam, as I recall he did let inspectors in and they didn't find anything.
I withdraw my charge that McCain's attack may be in part motivated by racism. But I do think it is political rather than substantive. Some say he wants to create an environment wherein Amb Rice would not be appointed Sec of state and John Kerry would, thereby leaving a vacancy in the Senate seat for Mass. If it seems far fetched, stranger things have happened.
I am hearing Joe Scarborough in the other room now and he's saying that McCain et all don't make any sense substantively. He's a conservative.
Deborah Kelly
12:02 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I agree that in her position Susan Rice needs to project honesty in order to have credibility with other nations. I agree she could have said she didn't know anything but I feel she was doing the job she was told to do - go on 5 news stations and tell this "story" to the American people. She was used as the puppet messenger and I feel most likely knew she was being used or should have. Her position would have required her to attend those briefings that relayed the real information. I still feel we need to move beyond the cover up story and focus on the meat and potatoes - all signs indicated an well organized attack with massive weaponry - nothing resembling a protest. And again, all the many many forewarnings in previous months. The Ambassador himself relayed the information back to Washington that he felt the Libyan security detail at the Embassy had been infiltrated and that people were coming in and taking pictures of the inside of the Embassy. He asked for more security. Based upon the many forwarnings and the Ambassador's assessment that the Libyan detail showed problems then why weren't these Americans pulled out of the Embassy and out of harm's way. Either vamp up security or pull them out. If we feel we can't adequately provide the protection they need then we pull them out. Now the BIGGIE, who squashed giving them assistance when their murders were being watched in real time and they were crying out for help? Military experts say there were many options!
joe brewer
5:13 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force – if necessary – to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." — John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." — Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
Carol Lewis
8:14 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Joe, as I recall, most everyone went along with Bush's lies because they had no evidence to the contrary.
joe brewer
8:51 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." — Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
joe brewer
8:52 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." — Bill Clinton in 1998
joe brewer
9:00 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
enough said?
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
Doug Samuelson
10:03 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
It is well established that most American senior decision-makers, of both parties, thought in 2002 that Iraq had a menacing WMD program. It is also well established that the U.S. scoured Iraq for evidence after Operation Iraqi Freedom and didn't come up with much of anything. There's a book, _Curveball_, about an Iraqi defector who turned out to have supplied much of the information the intelligence agencies relied on, although they suspected he might not be all that good a source -- hence the code name "Curveball." It also turns out that he was escorted and coached by staff members of the U.S. DoD office that pushed much of the Middle East strategy at the time: Doug Feith's Office of Net Assessment.
Point is, to paraphrase SecretaryRumsfield's comment about military readiness, senior decision-makers and their spokespersons go with what information they have, not with what they wish they had. Even outright lies are often forgiven when the truth becomes known, if the lies were meant to provide cover for sensitive operations. It's a messy world.
And if, after nearly four years as Ambassador to the U.N., this Benghazi story is all anyone has against Susan Rice, she deserves to sail through confirmation with hardly a ripple.
Carol Lewis
10:25 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Remember that Colin Powell was given talking points to the UN that turned out to be false.
There are people to be gone after about Benghazi but not Rice. Why not go after the source of her information, the intelligence community?
joe brewer
10:27 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
rice is toast get used to the idea of john kerry.
1:51 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I love this story. It's all I need to know regarding that horse faced jack*** Kerry :)
Sen. John Kerry skips town on sails tax
joe brewer
2:15 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
James I don't see a problem with advoiding taxes if you can do so legally. Did he lie? No!
Carol Obama has a full plate does he want to use his good will on getting a conformation ffor a suspect secretary. He used his good will up with Obamacare and rammed that down the republicans throat see how well that 4 years went. I am not saying she is not capable but is she the best choice in the political climate that exists at the moment? Situational ethics aside she should have said we are working on what really happened instead of running interference for Obama and the thought that Al Quada had been decimated.
Carol Lewis
3:11 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Joe Brewer, my point all along has been that the republicans are attacking the wrong person. Why aren't they going after the CIA and/or Hillary Clinton? Clinton, by the way is investigating Benghazi through the state dept which is where it should be investigated. There is no proof that Rice was running interference for Obama and the thought about Al Quada. And Al Quada has been decimated, but not defeated.
Obama hasn't even nominated anyone yet. If he thinks she's worth fighting for then he should go for it. He regained a lot of good will and capital in his second election; you might have heard Boehner say that Obamacare is now the law of the land. He wouldn't have had to ram it through had the republicans not been dedicated to stopping every thing he proposed.
3:27 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
He's a do as I say, and not as I do hypocritical politician. In addition, he is a horse faced blow hard who is a liar. Plain and simple!
Carol Lewis
4:31 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
James, who are you talking about? Who's the blow hard?
joe brewer
3:20 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
no super majority like he had for 2 years. basically told the republicans we won so we'll do as we please essentialy gave them the big bird and then wants to work with them. ain't going to happen that way now. if you cannot see the interference then ok you win now go away
Carol Lewis
4:30 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Yeah, Joe, he told reps he won - in a meeting to work with them. George Bush said he won political capital in the election and he intended to spend it. What Obama said is no different, and if the reps can't handle that reality they have no business being in Congress. They need to grow up. During Obama's inauguration the reps set their agenda to obstruct every thing he proposed. Do you realize how far along in recovery we might be if they had gone along even just a little big?
Deborah Kelly
3:36 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
They are going to question the CIA, Petraeus, Hillary and probably many more. Rice was just step one and it's time they move on to the real meat and potatoes. The timing of the explosion of the Petraeus sex scandal was no coincidence nor was the timing of Hillary leaving. The truth will eventually come out and America should be fed the truth. I'm glad you are no longer calling Sen. McCain a racist. I never heard him call Susan Rice unintelligent either. I'd have to actually see those words coming out of his mouth to believe something like that. He's not a sexist either - he's just trying to conduct an investigation. On a different note, I feel we should seriously consider a flat tax - same percentage rate for everyone so that no one belly aches about it being unfair. If they want to keep a few things like the mortgage deduction and charitable deductions - I'm sure it would still work pretty well without further hurting the housing industry or charities. We retrain all the IRS employees to handle social issues, maybe even get rid of the Energy Dept. as we aren't getting a great return there for our money. Energy Dept. employees could also be retrained to help out with all our social issues. Just some thoughts.
Carol Lewis
4:27 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Deborah, I stand corrected about McCain but I still think he and the others are making way too much of Rice's role. As for the timing of the explosion, I don't see how Patraeus could coordinate his sex scandal with that, and Hillary has said for months that she wasn't staying for a second term. Your thoughts about taxes are worth considering but the system we have now is just not fair.
Robert Mowbray
5:11 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I have now placed Parch on my spam list to stop the flow of these irrelevant messages.
By the way the embassy in Libya wasn't attacked. It was the consulate in Benghazi.
Bob Bruhns
6:35 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Patch, you're great, but please take note: you will probably get on a spam blocking list because of this, like Restonweb did. I suggest you put a limit on outgoing e-mails and messages to any given user - it should be more deliberate to opt in for e-mail notification, and probably users should be dropped from any thread notification list after one or two days if they don't opt to stay on it. Also, users should have an option to limit the number of e-mail messages daily, and a report should be available when they log in if they want to see threads with replies at that time. That would make more sense, and it would keep you off the spammer list. Patch does NOT belong on a spammer list.
Carol Lewis
7:14 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Robert, I don't get Patch notices but I'm with you that this post has gone far off the original topic. I've made my points and now I'm done with this. I'll say though that everyone has been reasonably calm and respectful and that's wonderful!
Kathy Keith
5:23 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
The problem is found somewhere in the administration.
True--Susan Rice was not involved-except she willingly went out as a spokesperson for the administration and gave the "party" line.
Interesting, that the administration's talking points emphasized the video--and, yet, at the debate, Obama said he had called it terrorism from the second day in the Rose Garden. And remember, two weeks after that, he gave a speech at the UN attacking the video. Lets face it, the video was a red herring that gave an excuse to all the unrest in the Middle East after Obama had bragged about decimating Al Queda.
As far as Rice, I think the Senators are really just trying to get the true story of what was going on. Rice certainly did not present herself very well on those talk shows and most Americans are not really that familiar with her. It is clear that State really screwed up prior to the event.
Benghazi may not be that important to some people, but it is very important to the families of the four Americans who lost their lives serving this country. Unfortunately, secrets and classified information have been lost--and not because of the cover up, but because of documents that were lost during and after the event. We did not secure the consulate or the other building for several weeks. I heard that Sean Smith was killed while he was trying to destroy documents during the attack.
Karen Goff
8:58 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
People, If you do not want to get email updates when someone comments, simply uncheck the box at the bottom of the comment box that says "send me updates for this article." Then you will stop receiving updates. No need to put Patch on the spam list!
joe brewer
9:49 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Mitt Romney will be offered Hilary Clintons job as Secretary of State today at a lucheon at the White House today.
Doug Samuelson
10:09 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Mitt would be a better choice for Treasury. The campaign showed that foreign policy is not his strong suit, and that his approach to it differs sharply from Obama's.
joe brewer
10:49 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
no thanks i ran threw my annual gambling money of $20.00 on the power ball jackpot yesterday. tongue in cheek was my post.


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I'm definately interested =3 I imagined a couple times doing this myself but I always ended up focused on something else at those times XD
No doubt there have been numerous Mass Effect RPs and RP attempts, especially since the 3rd game came out. Unfortunately, I've never been able to play in one. So, I'm making my own. I am going to assume that people who want to RP this have played all three games, at the least. As far as I'm concerned, all of the other media doesn't matter and does not play into the Mass Effect storyline.
Of course, that doesn't matter, really. Considering that this RP will be placed after the end of Mass Effect 3. Of course, this requires that you either have completed the game, or don't care if I ruin the ending for you. For your sanity, if you have not completed all three of the games and do not want the ending spoiled (or any subsequent possible endings), then do not read any farther. If you have no issue with this, then, please, continue.
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Shepard: Female, Colonist, Sole Survivor
Mass Effect 1: Ethan Jeong killed, Cerberus scientists killed, Zhu's Hope colonists and Shiala kept alive, Rachni queen rescued, Wrex saved, Kaidan love interest, Ashley lost on Virmire, Council saved, Anderson selected for council membership (75% renegade, 25% paragon)
Mass Effect 2: All allies recruited and saved, Thane love interest, Collector base destroyed, Shadow Broker killed without incident, genophage date kept (50% renegade, 50% paragon)
Mass Effect 3: Vast majority of forces collected, Council members saved, rekindled flame with Kaidan, chose destroy (75% paragon, 25% renegade)
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No one knows what happened on the Citadel that fateful day. Only three people were present then, and all three of them died there. The resulting energy burst from the Citadel obliterated it, leaving only fragmented debris to burn up in Earth's upper atmosphere. The energy pulse blanketed the planet and the Reapers fell, one by one, seemingly erased by the surge. Their mutated creatures fell dead beside them. Across the entire galaxy, on every contended world, the entire Reaper force simply died. The galaxy had won. But the cost was greater than they expected.
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Now, nearly 200 years have passed. The first Mass Effect relay linking Earth to the rest of the galaxy has finally been completed. Once more, humans are a part of the galactic community. But while the Asari and Krogan live for centuries, the humans have much shorter lifespans. Many humans now have never seen aliens, save for the holovids in Hollywood and in school. What paths will the humans forge now? What remains of their old allegiances? Do they still have a place on the Council?
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Looking for 3-7 players (besides myself). All species are available. No descendants of Shepard, though. And, yes, I chose destroy the first time I played. This story is based off of how I actually played the games my first time through.
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I'm definately interested =3 I imagined a couple times doing this myself but I always ended up focused on something else at those times XD
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Wonderful. If I can get at least one more person to join, I'll put some more details and a character template up.
It seems like you have a plot in mind or are you just planning on the RPers to take charge. If the former, I'd be interested. Another mystery space journey never hurt anyone.
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Im interested in this though wasnt their aliens on earth when the mass relays were destroyed at the end of the game? The ones that were fighting alongside the human resistance forces.
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Very interested. Recently completed the third game myself. My playthrough was very different (way more paragon), but I don't think it'll mess up my head since this is 200 years later. And I did 'choose' the same ending!
Also yes, there were plenty of aliens on earth when the reapers were wiped out.
Possible interest. What will the plot be ?
Well, if you have the Extended Cut DLC, you see that most of the aliens retreat just before the Citadel explodes. I'm going with that only a few didn't make it out of the Sol system before the explosion took out the Mass Relays.
I do have a plot in mind. The plot involves the humans arriving at the Citadel for the first time in nearly 200 years, trying to reclaim their spot, and discovering that they've been replaced by the Krogan and the Quarians. The Council begins talks to decide whether or not the humans should be added to the Council again. But, before the talks can accomplish anything, a report comes in of one of the Council colonies coming under attack.
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