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Linsky Files Gun Violence Legislation
The bill looks to close loopholes in existing state laws, require mental health background checks, strengthen gun storage requirements and require liability insurance for gun owners.
The following is a press release sent by the office of state Rep. David Linsky, D-Natick.
State Rep. David P. Linsky announced today that he has filed "An Act to Reduce Gun Violence and to Protect the Citizens of the Commonwealth," comprehensive gun violence prevention legislation aimed at closing loopholes in existing state laws, requiring mental health background checks, strengthening gun storage requirements, and requiring liability insurance for gun owners.
"This bill is a comprehensive effort to reduce all types of gun violence – murders, intentional shootings, accidental shootings and suicides. There is not one solution to reducing gun violence – we can't eliminate it – but there are a lot of common-sense steps that we can take to significantly reduce the everyday tragedy of gun violence and deaths," said Linsky.
Following a series of tragedies, Linsky invited members of the House and Senate to discuss how gun violence could be reduced in the Commonwealth. Over 150 members and staff attended the meeting, representing a wide array of viewpoints including gun owners, former members of the military, nurses, parents, hunters, and former teachers.
"I have spoken with hundreds of people over the past few weeks in developing this legislation – victims, police officers, criminologists, physicians, and yes - gun owners and sportsmen," stated Linsky. "There are a lot of good ideas out there. We should all have one goal – reducing gun violence and trying to keep more tragedies from happening."
Provisions in the bill include:
· Having one standard of the issuance of all gun licenses, giving local police chiefs the ability to evaluate all aspects of an application for a gun license.
· Requires proof of liability insurance for possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun.
· Requires that all large capacity weapons and grandfathered assault weapons must be stored at gun clubs or target ranges.
· Requires live shooting as part of the curriculum for a basic firearms safety course; this is not a current requirement.
· Requires all applicants for gun licenses and FID cards to sign a waiver of mental health records for review to be destroyed after decision.
· Imposes 25% sales tax on ammunition, firearms, shotguns, and rifles; dedicates funds towards firearms licensing, police training, mental health services, and victim's services.
· Brings Massachusetts into compliance with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).
· Limits gun buyers to one firearm purchase per month.
"Every day in America, 83 people are killed by gun violence. Many are children. We need to stop this madness. All of the data shows that you are many more times likely to shoot yourself or someone in your family than you will ever use a gun in self-defense," further commented Linsky. "It is time for the American people to tell their Legislators that the NRA and the gun manufacturers do not speak for them – even most gun owners believe that we need tighter restrictions on gun ownership. The overwhelming majority of Americans want these measures enacted."
Linsky served as Chairman of House Committee on Post Audit and Oversight during the 2011-2012 legislative session, and was an Assistant District in Middlesex County for 14 years prior to becoming a State Representative. Since first being elected to the House in 1999 he has been an advocate for effective gun violence prevention and gun safety laws. He represents Natick, Millis and Sherborn in the House.
Ben Jackson
12:53 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
Thank you, Rep. Linsky. These are smart, bold, and frankly common-sense regulations that *will* make us safer. It's nice to see some of the same requirements we have for our cars - which are *not* designed to kill people - applied to our guns, which are.
4:27 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
How are these "common-sense" regulations going to have ANY effect on firearms violence?
Requires proof of liability insurance for possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun.
- This is illegal unless somebody changes the 2nd amendment. A constitutional right to keep and bear arms is NOT an insurable action.
Requires that all large capacity weapons and grandfathered assault weapons must be stored at gun clubs or target ranges.
- Explain the logistics here? Gun clubs are in no way prepared for the mass storage of weapons in such a manner, let alone the liability it places on them.
Requires all applicants for gun licenses and FID cards to sign a waiver of mental health records for review to be destroyed after decision.
- A HUGE violation of HIPAA and would prevent some people (i.e. veterans) from seeking needed assistance for fear they would be denied or have their LTC revoked.
Imposes 25% sales tax on ammunition, firearms, shotguns, and rifles; dedicates funds towards firearms licensing, police training, mental health services, and victim's services.
- 25% sales tax on a constitutional right? Really? Where is the logic here - so that we penalize responsible gun owners for the actions of criminals?
Limits gun buyers to one firearm purchase per month.
- Would have ZERO bearing on crime or Mass Shootings. Explain how, based on facts, this would have an impact? In fact, do you have any valid input based on actual facts about prevention of violence?
1:55 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Making insurance companies insure illegal acts ? OK. Might drive a few companies to leave Massachusetts. Maybe that is the point. Linksy loves the limelight and to hear himself speak.
6:50 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
David Linksy is a fascist and it is clear that he wants to confiscate all firearms so that a true police state can emerge. He is an enemy of the constitution and should be arrested for Sedition immediately. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting but about keeping a free state. David Linsky is an attorney and knows this. " the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" This bill clearly infringes the people's rights. Hey do you all remember Oabama saying they wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class? How is your paycheck the last 2 weeks. I am warning you that this step by Linksky is orchestrated and will be one more step to control YOU.
Keith Carlsen
1:16 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
You can always join the Free State Project and vote with your feet. The freest state in the country is just north of the border. Live Free or Die!
Silence Dogood
7:44 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
I have serious concerns about this:
Section 4 is incredibly vague on the insurance requirement. Will my homeowners insurance cover the requirement or do I have to buy entirely separate insurance policies? If its anything like car insurance this could be an extra $100 a month. Preposterous!
Will licensing of Class B licenses for shotguns and rifles be "shall" or "may" by the chief of police in a city or town? This could be a serious problem for FID holders to then be under the same rule as someone who wants a full LTC.
This legislation clearly has deterrent language in place to make it as difficult and onerous as possible to be able to purchase a firearm. A 25% tax?! For a well made hunting rifle this could be an extra $250-$500! It's not unheard of for a very high quality rifle to cost $1500-$2K... Again, as expensive and difficult as possible. This is mostly deterrent legislation and people should realize this.
Honestly, common sense regs and protections make sense. This appears to be nothing more than incrementalism towards a larger goal of complete disarmament. This legislation is an affront to all law abiding gun owners and those who have actual respect for the 2nd Amendment- whose main purpose has nothing to do with hunting or target practice. When I think of the number of freedoms and rights that Americans have lost in the last 13 years I get sick to my stomach.
12:48 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Hey Linsky you Idiot, how about going after criminals like your going after the law abiding citizens. Your not too bright are you?
Why don't you get to the point and tell the truth of the matter is you liberals are trying to disarm the Amercian people to impose your socialist means.
William Dawes
8:02 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
How will this bill compel the criminals to undergo the provisions in this bill?
Oh, wait, the criminals WONT be affected by this bill because they don't obey the law.
The only people who will be affected by this onerous bill are the law-abiding citizens.
Linsky is a Statist, who wants the State to control all aspects of our lives. He is the very reason that the Constitution created restraints on Government.
Raymond Acuna
8:33 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
This fella is a GENIUS, I tell you!
When someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night, I'll ask him to wait a few minutes, I'll have to run over to the range, to retrieve the rifle ....
And he MEANS it, this is supposed to be a SERIOUS proposal!
What does this tell you about the reasoning capability of this elected official?
David DeFilippo
8:39 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Appalling to see Linsky using the CT tragedy to grab headlines for himself. Massachusetts already has some of the nations toughest gun laws on the books. We have a ban on assault weapons, high capacity magazines and a safe storage of firearms law already on the books. Why doesn't he focus his efforts of criminals and gun traffickers bringing in firearms from states with less stringent laws.
8:44 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Yup, more junk to try and tack his name on the current hot topic. Did he care about this 6 months ago?
10:05 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
This is just one step closer to total disarmament of the American people.. Total control of the populace.. Keep in mind this is just not about assault weapons, its always been about taking all your guns..
12:51 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
^^ Right on, you are correct. This has NOTHING to do with "Safety of the Children"
10:52 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
I am sure an active shooter will worry about his insurance premiums going up, and that will deter him shooting anyone. Of course since Lanza STOLE his weapon I bet he wouldn't have insurance! I am not sure how the weapons were stored before he killed his mother BUT I am sure having weapons stored in unattended clubs where everyone will know there is a cache of weapons will not pose any sort of threat to public safety.
It seems to me that Rep Linsky wants all the guns in one place so that they can be seized more easily down the road.
11:09 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
"Section 1-Eliminates licenses for large capacity weapons except for gun clubs and target ranges; all such weapons and grandfathered assault weapons must be stored at gun clubs or target\ranges."
Folks, this means that 80% of your handguns become illegal to keep in your home. You keep it at the gun club or you surrender them to the Police. "large capacity firearms" in Massachusetts lingo include common handguns like the M1911, Beretta 92FS, Sig P226 and the alike. Anything with a detachable magazine. A direct violation of DC v. Heller (2008). Revolvers and shotguns are spared....until the next "crisis" and round of crazy legislation
Tenzin Rob Lowery Gyaltsen
12:39 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
anyone that voted for this BULLSHIT should know that this is political sucide. Voter turnout for gun owners will be at least 150%. back to the old ways of voting, lets find some dead liberals to vote these people out forever
Keith Carlsen
1:14 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
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Conservative NYer
10:05 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
And I thought that the new gun laws from Cuomounist were bad.... This is absolutely vile and llogical. Perhaps he is on Fanapt????
Michael Barrett
5:41 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
NY and MA are similar. Two states circling the toilet bowl and full of idiot liberals
11:42 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Inside the mind of a gun-grabbing Massachusetts liberal: "If we could only ban the sale of guns everywhere, we'll never have a problem with violence and our children will be safe from harm." Yeah. And rainbows, glitter, and unicorns will come shooting out of your organic cotton shorts as well. Their premise seems simple, right? Right up until the day guns are banned. If we can't stop illegal humans and drugs crossing our borders, how do you expect that we will stop illegal guns from crossing the borders? Gun running to criminals will run rampant and law abiding lemmings will turn into victims of violent crime. There is no better evidence than the flood of illegal arms trafficked into the UK and their violent crime rate following their complete ban on arms and self defense. But wait, there's more! Do you think that Liberals will all of a sudden come to their senses and down the borders? No way! In their world, allowing criminals to pillage the rich, unarmed people of the US will certainly become a patriotic duty.
wendy pc
4:52 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Go Linsky! I'm curious which "well-regulated militias" you guys support?
Michael Barrett
5:40 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Check the federal court decisions including the federal 7th circuit court of appeals. The right is to the individual as well as militia's. The 7th also threw out Illinois' ban on concealed carry, the only one in the country with no legal concealed carry. They said the right to bear arms meant the ability to have them with you at all times. Linsky is a nitwit with no Constitutional knowledge. Go ahead and try to pass this and I'll be part of the first of many lawsuit and have this crap tossed.
The whole thing is unconstitutional. The tax is a tax on a constitutional right, clearly illegal. The barring of having possession of the rifles is keeping you from bearing the arms at any time. etc.
12:56 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
@Wendypc, Thank you for showing us your true socialist colors. If your home gets broken into and the cops take 15 minutes to get to your house to save you. I hope your "gun toting" neighbor decides to go back to bed as opposed to save your liberal arz and could have been there in 2 seconds.
Food for thought.
wendy pc
1:57 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
I don't want anyone bringing a gun into my house. A "gun toting" neighbor certainly does NOT make me feel any safer. That only increases the probability that someone's going to get shot - d'oh!
I don't know what got you so paranoid - hanging with George Zimmerman??
2:05 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
To respond to your email:
So what will the cops do, Oh, Ok Ma'am, let us leave the guns in the car while we try to defend you with our badges. Sounds pretty stupid to me. As a liberal you would not know that neighborhoods with guns are many times safer than without. You have been in the city for way too long. YOu might want to go out sometimes and see what a gun actually looks like, possibly shoot one.
FYI: Never have I had a gun shoot me while I have had it on the table cleaning it or even unlocked itself from the safe and shoot me in my sleep. Amazing isn't it?
"Paranoid like Zimmerman" Now you sound pathetic.
wendy pc
3:47 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
I grew up in England and was well protected by an unarmed police force thank you very much. The assumption that more and more guns is the only way to combat more and more gun violence is stupid.
Michael Barrett
3:57 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Maybe you should look at the sky high violent crime in England. It is a paradise for rape, robbery and other violent crimes. Also gun violence has increased substantially since they banned legal guns.
Michael Barrett
4:02 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Wendy - unarmed police in England is a sterling success. They are victims like the public. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9552693/David-Cameron-Manchester-policewomen-killings-an-act-of-shocking-evil.html
4:17 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Wendy, Really? I work with a retired London Officer. He told me to tell you that almost EVERY so called unarmed officer has a gun on his ankle. He says the unarmed force is a facade to make the people feel better. Seems it worked with you huh.
Tuatha Kaish
5:08 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Now, all these legislators across the country are basing their own assessments on a certain prejudice against guns, instead of investigating mental health issues. In particular, psychotropics(antidepressants) which can cause 'psychotic breaks' whenever the individual begins using the drug or change the dosage(+ or -). These drugs are being prescribed by family doctors without supervision. This class of drugs have been known to cause psychosis, violence and suicide. THIS IS the elephant sitting in the living room. http://ssristories.com/ Linsky's proposal means the poor will lose and pay more to protect themselves in the city. The poor will be forced to act illegally, hide their weapons because of the costs and the invasions of privacy. Once again, the law itself, creates a criminal which otherwise, would not be. Mental Health Evaluations? Who sets what standard? Also, I have heard, once you're in a government database, its nearly impossible to get your name out of it. Which means, any diagnosis of 'acute' depression will be registered permanently. Consider the soldier that comes home, after serving several tours of duty. He may be diagnosed with depression. Any soldier would face hardships, adjustments and cultural shock(returning to civilian life). Another important point - Criminals have always had illegal weapons. And finally - The 2nd Amendment says this RIGHT "shall not be infringed". This RIGHT is not open for debate, as said by our Founding Fathers.
1:03 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Very good point. Once they have everyones name in this DB, who's to say one is sane or insane? So if they don't like your face or you have different views than they, you could theoretically be labeled as Depressive, Troubled etc.
Even by Fort Hood's think tank, now Right leaning polictically is viewed as "Fringed"
The end game is disarm Americans. Also, Look at the UN ATT ( Small Arms treaty ) coming up on March. THey are on a schedule.
Michael Barrett
5:47 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Linsky said "even most gun owners believe that we need tighter restrictions on gun ownership"
Right there. He is not interested in illegal guns, he wants to restrict OWNERSHIP. He want to take guns away from law abiding citizens. This is a bill to disarm the people who are not the problem.
Will David
9:27 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Some of you are forgetting the last 4 words,"shall not be infringed:.
12:58 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
We all need to band together and NOT let this happen. Join the NRA or GOAL etc we need their help.
We can have a none violent protest and take to the streets also. Time to talk is over it's now time to walk like mentioned earlier in the thread
Mike Haydon
8:31 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
This is punishing the law abiding citizen!! We have to pay more taxes, pay more for liability insurance and store our guns where he decides is safe??? The crminals are not going to do this, they don't follow the law now...that why they are CRIMINALS!!!
Vincent gorden
8:47 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Mr LINSKY,, please go away,, leave me and my guns alone, you were elected by the same people that you are trying to punish,, I will work to insure that at re election time that you will have spent your last TERM,,,in office,,, PS: start looking for a new job,, one that dosent infringe on my 2 nd amendment rights,,,
Jack cannj
10:26 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Lets all march on his home on his home on sunday coming
Brian S. Lane
8:34 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
This person needs to have his medical and psych records and those idiots who keep voting him in sent to a doctor for help.
Bob Canning
1:58 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Rep.DavidLinsky,the sponsor of the latest oppressive firearms legislation,drives an "assault car",that should be regulated by the state.(for our own safety)This 400hp,red convertible mustang,has custom aluminum wheels which are bigger in diameter to normal "non-assault type" wheels,with tires that are specifically rated for speeds>100mph.(Who needs to go faster than 55mph? There is such danger in this behavior)There is a frighteningly scary looking spoiler affixed to the trunk lid of this "assault car",which is specifically designed to facilitate aerodynamic stability at the deadly speeds,this "assault vehicle" travels. It is even a danger to the driver and ALL passengers because it is a convertible.No particular study has ever shown that convertibles are especially dangerous when they flip over during an accident,placing the occupants heads at grave risk for injury.These "Assault type vehicle,converting death machine options "should be outlawed and only hard-top,or "non-converting death machine type cars should be available to the public.We should ALL be driving a 52hp Zip-car for our own safety,which will be required to be stored at a state approved auto dealer when we are not using them for state approved errands or travel to and from work.We should pay additional insurance for these vehicles because if we offend anybody while we are driving them,they will be compensated for their emotional duress and injury.Red vehicles are more expensive to insure and should all be pink.
3:40 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
This will be the straw that has me relocate my business and house and remove any future tax that goes to the state of Massachusetts. It is ludicrous and is a direct attack on the Second Amendment.
Enacting such a policy is a punishment on law-abiding citizens. Mr. Linsky, are you aware that out of over 300,000,000 firearms in production that only 35 of them, over 30 years, were "assault weapons' used in mass shootings. That is .00001% for the mathematically challenged (are you listening Mr. Linsky). So exactly how is keeping them at a range going to change ANYTHING.
Liability insurance is an illegal tax. Mental health checks will turn Doctors into snitches (a la Soviet Union) and prevent those who truly need help, like veterans seeking treatment for PTSD, to getting the help they need because they are afraid of losing TS-SCI clearance and even their property. Registration merely puts gun owners on a government list, ripe for confiscation when the time comes.
The line has been drawn in the sand. We have seen this before and will not become desensitized to the "small" changes which do nothing more but chip away at our freedoms. If we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it: http://bit.ly/mfziaY
None of us wants to see more gun violence, but this will NOT help.
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Bret, I found the link you sent interesting, the possibility that our country could end up like Germany or Austria. I find the argument people make about protecting ourselves from our potentially tyrannical government funny simply because we have the strongest military in the world. We spend a significant amount of our GDP on defense and mind you it's highly sophisticated. If our government really wanted to control us they could do easily even if we were armed to the hilt with guns.
Michael Barrett
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Not it will not help reduce gun crime. There is nothing in Linsky's bill that goes after criminals. It is all directed at legal gun owners.
Michael Barrett
12:14 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Ktg - STOP DUCKING THE QUESTIONS
What is a "assault weapon" ?
What makes an "assault weapon" different from another rifle?
What size should gun magazines be?
What is the point of banning "assault weapons"?
What makes an AR 15 firing a .223 round more deadly than a hunting rifle or shotgun?
What is a "dangerous" gun? Your subject.
You want the ban, so answer the questions and stop ducking them.
6:48 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Are you insane. There is not one gun club in massachusetts that has the facility or security to store thousands of firearms at there club. All the clubs that i have been to. Do not store firearms. What a huge liability that would be on gun clubs.
Bob Canning
7:21 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013
Any elected official who doesn't uphold Constitutional principles should be impeached. Our country was founded on those ideals.
11:55 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
This man does not represent me. I did not vote for him nor will I ever vote for him.
1:41 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
This Yahoo Does Represent Me , but I have Never Voted for Him.
At least this Bill isn't like the Animal Bill he Keeps Submitting .
( Look it up , I don't want to be banned for posting the subject )
12:02 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
we have to ensure our property against damage. there is a cigarette and liquor tax for health problems caused by smoking and drinking. people control guns and can inflict damage as a result. Look at sandyhook. why should society pay for your privilege and damages caused by guns. gun owners should pay.
Michael Barrett
1:39 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
There are sales taxes on firearms as with cars which killed FAR more than legally owned firearms. There is no Constitutional right to smoke or drink, there is a VERY clear RIGHT to bear arms. There is no "privilege" to owning firearms, it's a RIGHT. If you do not agree with the RIGHT, then amend the Constitution, otherwise respect the 2nd Amendment and do not try to infringe my rights.
You "have to ensure (it's insure by the way genius) our property against damage". How often are legal firearm owners a perpetrator of a gun crime? Rarely. Do you think the gang bangers are going to get insurance for their illegal guns? How about a murderer?.
You do not understand the issue and made an extremely poor, ill-informed statement. Learn the issue then come back to play.
Michael Barrett
2:47 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Look, the equally ill informed and emotionally questionable wendy is coming to your defense. She is unstable, so don't be flattered.
6:03 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
making people pay for gun sales or liability insurance is not a violation of your constitutional rights, in what way does paying a sales tax or insurance prohibit you from owning a gun? It doesn't so I don't understand your argument at all. It just makes gun ownership more equitable in society.
Michael Barrett
11:11 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Ktg - Sales tax is fine. I'd rather have NH's system of no income tax, no sales tax but that's another topic. But putting insurance costs on gun ownership is an unconstitutional burden designed to raise the costs of owning a gun and thus prevent some from owning them. It is similar to the poll tax schemes that the democrats in the south used to keep black people from voting. They violated their constitutional rights and that is what the insurance is designed to do as well.
Linksky was on the radio the other day and said he viewed the insurance requirement as a way to raise the costs on gun owners. He said insurance companies would likely require a full inspection of the inside of the persons home, would probably have interviews with the person on guns, heck they could possibly require gun owners to take a mental evaluation from an insurance co doctor, etc. It's a pandora's box of restrictions.
Do you think gang bangers or murderers are going to get insurance? What is the point other than to attack legal gun owners who are not responsible for 99% of gun violence. Linsky said in his press release. He wants to restrict gun ownership. He is not concerned with illegal guns, only with the people who are not the problem.
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
@Ktg: First of all YOU CAN NOT Insure a RIGHT.
Second your logic is totally flaud. We can also insure your right to free speech. You see, according to your logic, one could be offended by what you post, so if a person is offended in such they decide to take their own life your post could be presumed to be a form of bullying and threatning so "inflicting damage why should society pay for your privilege and damages caused by your post"
so your point is a total FAILURE.
Get a clue
Danielle Horn
3:31 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Guys, please refrain from personal insults and profanity. We will delete those comments.
6:03 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
This forum obviously has a lot of gun advocates. I'm curious no one is proposing you cannot own a gun mainly the type of gun and ammunition. Why do you think your constitutional right to bear arms is violated? Do you really need an assault weapon?
Michael Barrett
11:06 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
The 2nd Amendment is very clear. It says "shall not be infringed". As Brett mentions below, there is no such thing as a "assault weapon". There are assault rifles and that are automatic rifles (which are illegal and have been since 1934). What they are trying to ban is a simple semi automatic rifle. The particular one talked about the most is the AR-15 platform semi auto rifle. It is a modern sports rifle that is used for home defense, hunting and target shooting. It is the most popular rifle in America, there are 3 million legally owned.
They are also trying to limit the magazine sizes to an arbitrarily picked number, 10. Why 10? They can't even tell you that other than they think that what you need/should be limited to. They do not know my needs. If someone breaks into my house, 10 might be sufficient. If there are 3 people or 4, 10 round will almost certainly not be sufficient.
Linsky, Diane Feinstein, etc. have been clear. They do not want guns in the hands of the public and this is step one to taking them all. There is a complete handgun ban in Chicago and it's the murder capital of the US. The laws are going to disarm the legal owners and empower the criminals.
Michael Barrett
11:09 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Now answer these questions.
What is a "assault weapon" ?
What makes an "assault weapon" different from another rifle?
What size should gun magazines be?
What is the point of banning "assault weapons"? In NY state in 2011 of 780 gun deaths there were only 5 killed by a rifle of any kind. The rifle category includes 60 year old single shot bolt action rifles as well as AR 15's, etc. Nationally "assault weapons" that are really modern sport rifles are used in 0.6% of gun related murders.
Magazine size is a non factor in deaths as well. A mag can be changed in seconds, so it does not slow a murderer any. The worst school shooting in US history is the Va Tech shooting. He used only two pistols (NO RIFLES), one was a small caliber .22 Walther pistol the other a 9mm Glock (9mm is a midsize bullet). His magazines were 10 and 15 round but he had 25 of them. He killed 34, wounded 17. The AWB is a smoke screen for gun grabbing law abiding citizens firearms. It will not change any gun death's and that is a fact. There was no impact from the previous "assault weapon ban" from '94 to '04, that's why it was not renewed. It did nothing to lower deaths. There are fewer gun deaths now than in '04 and it's a trend that started in the late 1980's.
Michael Barrett
11:11 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
How much do you know about guns? Tell me how banning modern sport rifles will change a thing? Do you think restricting the type of guns like AR 15's will change a thing?
What makes an AR 15 firing a .223 round more deadly than a hunting rifle or shotgun?
You understand the AR platform is 50 years old, nothing new at all. And the repeat fire semi automatic has been around 150 years. Do you think an AR 15 is a military gun, an automatic firing gun, etc.? What's more deadly a hunting rifle or shotgun or an AR?
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
@Ktg, Not that it matters what gun owners own. If they want to own a .50 Cal with a 1,000 round belt strip or even a gatlin gun what does it matter to anyone if they aren't hurting anyone? That is none of anyones business. Also, should the public only have a one shot magazine firing only one shot at a time when the Gov has Automatic rifles that fire as many as 30+ rounds in less than a minute or so?
The 2nd Amendment was put in place to keep the government at bay. Without an armed populous the Gov can do and will do anything they like without repercusion to it's people. Examples: Hitler ( disarmed the people / Holocaust ) Mao, Stalin, and many more. Look at China, no arms = no free speech, Population control etc. etc.
There are over 200 Million guns in America if not more. Most if not all those ( accounted for ) guns are owned by Law Abiding Citizens. How often to you hear of a Law Abiding Citizen taking ot the people? You don't. All massacres are done by criminals and mentally ill.
Get to the root cause, Increase penalties for criminals, Don't turn Law Abiding Citizens to criminals.
Make Sense?
6:47 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Ktg, please detail what you deem to be an "assault weapon". That is a political term used to define COSMETIC features on a rifle such as a pistol grip, flash supressor (which prevents muzzle flash) or a bayonet lug. Certainly nothing there makes the rifle any more or less dangerous than a hunting rifle. In terms of magazine size, if a weapon is used for self-defense, how many bullets are "reasonable" to keep on hand? 10? 7? Assuming law enforcement and body guards are kept to the same standard, should that not be enough for them as well? Why should we let politicians make the call on regulations which, time and time again, have shown NO impact on overall gun violence?
I mean, why stop there. Too much alcohol leads to drunk driving, so to prevent even the possibility of one death, why not put a limit on the size of a drink. Perhaps 8 ounces is enough? Drunk driving is already illegal (as is gun ownership by convicted criminals) but should we not impose limits on EVERYBODY who drinks just in case?
It is not up to politicians to decide what I own or how many bullets I carry. Machine guns have been illegal since 1934 and most every other weapon is "semi-automatic". To place arbitrary limits for the sake of political pandering does NOTHING to the core of the problem which is economic disparity. Mass shootings are the exception. Most gun violence is crime related by people who cannot legally possess firearms anyway.
7:38 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
This point about which types of weapons is where I think gun owners and gun control advocates need to come together to determine the criteria for which guns are the most dangerous.
There is a popular belief that gun control does not work. I don't think we've determined that case yet. The 1994 bill was littered with loopholes yes we happened to have a decrease in gun violence but no one could determine if the ban helped or not.
If all of the measures proposed today (gun types, background checks) and the upcoming proposals (i.e. public safety in schools, improved mental health services) are implemented and refined over time let us measure the effectiveness then. I strongly feel we owe it to our country to try to save lives and lessening and eventually eliminating the availability of the most dangerous guns is a first step towards this goal.
Michael Barrett
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Ktg -
Stop ducking the question and answer it. What is an "assault weapon" and what in particular makes it dangerous.
"There is a popular belief that gun control does not work. I don't think we've determined that case yet."
Here are a few words. Chicago, Washington, D.C., New York City, etc. Chicago and Washington DC has complete gun bans from the early 1980's (chicago) and 1976 (Washington). You could not legally own a handgun and long rifles were very restricted, need to be disassembled, etc. Chicago was the murder capital of the US last year, 500+ dead. Washington DC was the murder capital for much of the 1980's and 90's. There were studies of the the "assault" weapons ban. And they said it could not be said the ban changed a thing. Guns that fall under the political term "assault weapon" are used in 0.6% of gun deaths. They are not the choice of criminals, that would be the common handgun.
Michael Barrett
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
"There is a popular belief that gun control does not work. I don't think we've determined that case yet. The 1994 bill was littered with loopholes yes we happened to have a decrease in gun violence but no one could determine if the ban helped or not. "
What are you saying with "1994 bill was littered with loopholes"? What loopholes, what were they?
Michael Barrett
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Answer each of the replies I made individually.
What is a dangerous gun? Any gun in the hands of a criminal is a "dangerous gun". Is a fully automatic AK 47 a "dangerous gun"? Who has it would be my question. If it's in the hands of a ATF licensed person, no it is not a dangerous gun. A small caliber .22 pistol? In the hands of the Va Tech shooter? Yes it is dangerous. That is one of the guns he used to kill 34 people. It is one the of least powerful guns you can buy but it's still deadly in the wrong hands.
See any gun in a criminals hands is dangerous. Focus on the criminals and not on legal, law abiding gun owners. Keep nuts from getting guns, fine. But do not come after legal owners.
I have ZERO interest in negotiating my Constitutional rights away with some gun control zealot (not you) from the Brady group, Linsky, Biden, Obama, etc. They are not open to negotiation, it is my right that Shall NOT be infringed. They do not know what they are talking about, and do not want to stop at a rifle, they want all guns banned. They let it slip from time to time.
Here is one of the congressional gun grabbers, Carolyn McCarthy from NY. Here she wants to ban "assault weapons", has a bill to do such and doesn't know a thing about what she is talking about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U
And her husband was killed in the early 1990's in the Long Island Railroad shooting by a nut. The guy used a pistol, not a scary black colored rifle.
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
@Ktg: New gun laws will not work and never will work. What Government officials fail to confront and admit is the fact that the laws they have on the books are NOT enforced.
How many murders have happened in Mass over the past few years. There is a law on the books not, that anyone caught with an unlawful gun ( Stolen, Aquired via black market etc. ) It's a mandatory 1-2 year jail sentence. NEVER has that law been enforced. A criminal will get 2-5 years in Jail for the horrific crime itself but will not be charged with an unlawful firearm.
Tell me, what's the reason for that law if they ignore it?
The people are not the problem. The Gov is the problem.
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Ktg, that is where there is a fundamental problem with gun control. It is NOT about the type of weapon used. Certain guns are no more dangerous than others. In 2011, there were only 323 deaths by ANY type of rifle, let alone assault rifles. In that same year there were 9x that number with knives, blunt objects, and the human body itself.
It is not a popular belief that gun control does not work. It is based on fact and statistic. The UK, for example, has extremely strict gun legislation and as a direct result they have seen their violent crime rates skyrocket. Is there some justification that it is okay to have, for example 10 additional rapes so long as we prevent one murder? Is there any correlation that would make this okay?
I'm in favor of looking at and addressing root cause, but legislation on the table arbitrarily assigns restrictions without empirical data to support it. In Switzerland, for example, the percentage of the population that is armed is much higher than in the US (not guns per capita, percentage of ownership) and their murder rate is far lower.
We need to address the liberal use of psychotropic drugs made available to treat mental illness. We need to address immigration reform as there is a direct correlation to heinous crime and gang-related violence. What is currently proposed only limits those who obey the law. When will we wake up to this?
Michael Barrett
12:14 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Ktg - "There is a popular belief that gun control does not work. I don't think we've determined that case yet."
Tell us, if gun control may work, why isn't Chicago the safest city in the US? Why was Washington DC a murder capital of the US many years? They each had complete handgun bans and near complete rifle bans.
11:13 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
From Rep. David Linsky, nothing about the steps we should be taking to protect our school children. What about mental health and spotting and getting the right help. Remember Virginia Tech? What about security at our schools. What about the absence of the father in the home. More and more single mom's need firearms to protect themselves and their children from abusers. Massachusetts does have the most onerous firearm laws already. When the US assault weapons ban expired, Massachusetts keep it. If another terrible tragedy like this occurs again, and god forbid that it occur in Natick, the blood will be on the hands of Rep. David Linsky. for not taking action to provide security for our schools. Linsky makes me sick. Lets vote him out of office.
Robert Rosen
11:17 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Thank you for your comment, 4life4america. I just wanted to mention one small thing: I believe there is a mental health component to Rep. Linsky's bill. I'd have to re-read to refresh the details in my mind, but I believe it would make it so certain mental health records would be available when people applied for a gun permit. I think there is another component as well, but I don't recall what it is.
7:38 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Michael in response to your complaints about insurance cost. You want to own a gun, but the gun you buy gets into the wrong hands because you didn't secure your gun properly. That gun is later used in a gun robbery. You want to own a gun so in order to do that guns need to be brought into the country and some of these guns end up in the wrong hands. There is a societal cost of gun ownership and I don't want to pay for it. I don't own a gun, it isn't fair that I have to pay for your gun and its associated costs especially if its my life or someone I love.
here is an interesting article on the cost to society, http://www.nber.org/papers/w10736.pdf?new_window=1.
Michael Barrett
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
You have no idea what you are talking about. The overwhelming majority of guns of manfacturered here in the USA. There are 3 or 4 gun companies in NH including Sig Sauer, MA has Smith and Wesson, Connecticut has 4 or 5, NY state has a few and so on. There are not many that are imported.
There are costs to society for a million things and that is called reality. You want to tax what is the greatest cost to society? Fine, tax single parents. Tax those who have kids out of wedlock or get divorced. Kids from single parents are a greater cost to society than any gun owner.
There are 300 million guns in the US. The number has increased from 200 million in 2000. Yet crime rates have gone down. There is violence, a gun is not the cause of that nor the only weapon used.
Forcing insurance on a Constitutional right is unconstitutional. If it were foolishly passed, it will be challenged and overturned. Linsky is clear, he's said it plainly. He wants to restrict gun ownership. He isn't interested in criminals, he's interested in attacking legal gun owners.
11:08 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
@Ktg. Have you read my reply to your previous post on Insuring guns? Go back and check it out.
This is one reason why EVERYTHING is being taxed and fee today. Hypothetically speaking, Do you really think if they "Insured" guns that the money would actually get allocated to "Protection" ? No, Like today Excise tax, Gas tax, Tolls on Mass Pike are not getting allocated as should. Politicians are lining their pockets, and redistributing funds to Illegal Immigrant services.
In NY they want to impose a $200"Fee" ( really a tax ) and force people to Register their guns with the new law. Does it really cost that much to put in a few numbers into a database?
Besides you CANNOT insure/tax a God Given right.
Michael Barrett
12:14 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
To Ktg
Stop ducking questions. Answer this.
"There is a popular belief that gun control does not work. I don't think we've determined that case yet. The 1994 bill was littered with loopholes yes we happened to have a decrease in gun violence but no one could determine if the ban helped or not. "
What are you saying with "1994 bill was littered with loopholes"? What loopholes, what were they?
Bob Canning
12:14 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
The criminaI, NOT the lawful citizen, problem, is with the repeat offender felon, going UN-punished by the liberal judges who repeatedly let these career criminals go free. I guarantee that there was a repeat offender felon, known gang-impact player, standing before a judge in court last week in this state, who went unpunished for his crimes, for whatever reason. Why aren't judges held accountable for their decisions? I believe the problem lies with the judiciary. Why is it that the matter of "judicial accountability", always gets shelved when it comes up?
Take the case of a recent home invasion that occurred in Loganville, GA. A person broke into a home and sought out the hiding mother and twin 9 year olds, he was shot 5 times and still managed to get down the street before passing out. How would this story have read if the mother had NO firearm? It seems that Dave Linsky prefers to persecute citizens rather than prosecute criminals. Such shortsightedness.
ANY lawmaker who isn't Constitutionally motivated and adherent, should be viewed as a traitor to our country and treated as such.
Bob Canning
12:14 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Additionally, I beleive we should judge politicians as they are judging firearms owners, like THEY are already criminals. Let's judge Linsky, Spikla, obama as though they were Tom Finneran, Sal Dimasi and Billy Clinton...already guilty of impeachable offenses. Wait...you say we cannot "judge", innocents without cause or evidence? Welcome to the Massachusetts politicians view of law-abiding citizenry.
Bob Canning
2:20 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
For those who advocate gun control, I ask you to deeply question why government officials would intentionally exempt themselves from this new gun legislation. Why shouldn't they be held to the same laws? More importantly, what purpose does this exemption serve if the only intent is to make our streets safer? The answer is that these laws are only interested in ultimate control of the populace, and pays no mind to political ideology. A gun is the only thing that puts a 120 pound single mother on equal footing with a 6 foot 3 intruder trying to break in the house. Laws such as these serve only as a gateway to total control. Don't let the media take you for a fool.
Tenzin Rob Lowery Gyaltsen
4:00 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Ktg and other grabbers- I took your advice and I tried to get my guns to go off. I yelled at them. I called them nasty words. I even had my German Shepard bark at them and guess what happened? NOTHING! You are more likely to get hit by lightning then to be shot. You can "what if" all night and every night". It is all part of life. If you don't want to die in an accident then stay in your home. But that doesn't work either because you are more likely to fall in a shower and die. So what next, have a tax on taking a shower? Or maybe we should require a doctors note before you take a shower to make sure you don't have weak knees? Or maybe require you have extra shower fall insurance because I don't want to pay for your fall in a shower. Get the idea? Well we all do, this is nothing to do with keeping kids save. This has everything to do you passing the UN Small arms treaty. Read up on this, it has everything to do with making 90% of all guns against the law so the USA can sign on to this treaty. Well, we are not going to let this happen. Even if they do make it law, at least 2/3'a of gun owners will not turn in their guns. What now? Are u going to let out the killers to make room for us?
Michael Barrett
10:53 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013
The NY time? Oh brother. Why don't you just post press releases from the Brady campaign. Your struggling, really struggling.
Hey Wendy, since Ktg refuses to answer simple questions, Do you want to give it a go?
Now answer these questions.
What is a "assault weapon" ?
What makes an "assault weapon" different from another rifle?
What size should gun magazines be?
Michael Barrett
10:33 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Still waiting Wendy, step up to the plate.
Answer the following.
What is a "assault weapon" ?
What makes an "assault weapon" different from another rifle?
What is the point of banning "assault weapons"?
3:25 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Thanks everyone listening to your opinions has been pretty interesting but I haven't changed my mind about gun control and other legislative measures to help curb gun violence in America. You may think me a victim of the modern media but I still have nightmares about newtown and other mass shootings. I especially think about that poor 5 year old who watched their friend get blown away in a bloody mess only to face the gun themselves. i guess at least they only had a second to think about it since the guns that are available can kill so many so quickly.
I'm a mom and I think about my kids, I start at home when it comes to violence. I don't own a gun, I don't purchase toy guns for my children (they are too young anyway) and I certainly don't let them watch any violent tv programs (jake and the neverland pirates is the most scary thing seen at my house).
I'm hoping there are more like minded people like me than the majority of the people in this forum.
We need to start looking inward in america, why is america so much more violent than other civilized countries? we have to start somewhere and gun control is the beginning.
Michael Barrett
5:18 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
ktg - Look, if you want "gun control" why do not refuse to answer these simple questions. If you want these measures, explain why, etc.
Answer the following.
What is a "assault weapon" ?
What makes an "assault weapon" different from another rifle?
What is the point of banning "assault weapons"?
Michael Barrett
5:18 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Do not compare gun violence in the US, or violence in general in the US vs. european countries. That is comparing apples and oranges. You are comparing very different societies and wondering why there are different numbers. They are different because they are different societies.
Why don't you look at uk gun crime with their gun ban. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-154307/Gun-crime-soars-35.html
And other crime in the UK is raising rapidly too such as robberies. The criminals know people (law abiding) do not have firearms so they are running wild.
The violent crime in Australia has also risen significantly since they outlawed legal firearms. Criminals are law breakers by definition. They do not follow the law so any gun laws are just making it easier for them to find victims.
"...since the guns that are available can kill so many so quickly." A basic pistol which have been around for over 100 years can kill just as quickly as a so called "assault" weapon. The basic functions of firearms have not changed in a VERY long time.
Do you feel safe right now? There are over 1 million guns in MA legally owned, over 300 million nationwide. There is very little for gun laws in VT and plenty of legal gun owners. They have very few gun crimes. The issue is violence, not guns.
Michael Barrett
5:18 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Not to burst your bubble but there not as much gun control people as you think. Linsky's little gun control pow wow drew less than 200 Saturday in Boston at the statehouse. The firearms and knives show in Marlboro had probably 2000 on Saturday alone. Sunday was smaller but still a large number.
It's a bit cold now but when the weather warms up, you are welcome to go target shooting with me. I'll show you some firearms, you can understand them and see how benign they are.
Bob Canning
7:15 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Ktg, by becoming a parent you are obliged to defend your children. What is your plan of action in the event of a home invasion? You have three choices, beg for your life, try praying that the(most likely repeat offender felons) criminals don't hurt you or your children much or you could have a plan to fight back. Recently a home invasion in Loganville,GA ended when the invader sought out the mother and her twin 9 year olds who were hiding in a crawl space(what on earth did this invading criminal want with a woman who clearly relinquished turf to him by hiding and yielding there entire house to three criminals robbing desires?) the mother shot the criminal, thus saving her family. I feel this event would have ended horribly were she unarmed.
Like the previous poster, I offer my instructor services to you and your husband. Please consider experiencing the comfort and knowledge that self determination and education can bring.
The ONLY equalizing factor between you and a criminal, is equality of force. A cell phone(if you can dial while being assaulted or running), and a 5 minute wait for man with a gun is a poor alternative. Please Ktg, refuse to be a victim. I sincerely hope to help.
Michael Barrett
8:33 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Ktg - On the line that Bob is talking about. What would you do if someone broke into your home to rape or murder you? Call 911? Ask the police what will happen if you call as the person is getting into your home. They will be there in 5 minutes at the very least, probably more towards 10. Look at the clock right now and watch it for 5 minutes. People think 5 minutes is nothing. When your life is on the line, it's an eternity.
Police rarely stop crime, especially a rape or murder. They investigate and stop future crime but they do not prevent the first. The police will be very honest, they cannot save you if someone is there as you call 911. You'd be dead or abused.
This happened two weeks ago in Georgia. Without a firearm, the woman and her two children may very well be dead. Also, she shot 6 times, hitting him 5. That is why magazine capacity limits are crazy. If there were 2 or 3 intruders, what do you do? Ask them for time while you reload?
12:06 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
I'll never own a gun if someone ever invaded my home I'd barricade my family in a room and call the police provided I had enough time. Even if you have a gun you'll need the same reaction time in order to react. I will never ever own a gun. I know plenty of people who go through their whole lives without needing one. I think owing a gun is unsafe and there are more gun owners who hurt or kill a family member than an intruder
12:21 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
For every story you find about someone protecting themselves I can find more saying father accidentally kills son , child gets hold of gun shots brother. Son kills mom and sister etc.
12:21 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
I don't think that gun control rally was advertised I didn't know about it. A gun show I'm sure was widely advertised gun selling is big business. Plus you have people thinking their guns are going to be taken away. Then you have others who just want to buy a military assault high capacity gun before they are banned. Why anyone would want one is incomprehensible to me. Protection from our govt? Please give me a break. Hunting? Yea right try a bow and arrow at least it's a challenge. You think I've been suduced by the media. Well I think gun owners have been seduced by the NRA and gun manufacturers. I've seen some of their ads and it's sad and frankly pathetic.
Michael Barrett
1:15 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
The gun control pow wow was publicized, including on tv, newspapers, facebook, twitter, etc. They are extreme and thus in the minority.
"Plus you have people thinking their guns are going to be taken away. Then you have others who just want to buy a military assault high capacity gun before they are banned."
There will be no ban, the so called "assault weapons" are going no where. There is not even a simple majority in the Democrat controlled US senate. The top D senator, Harry Reid voted against the ban in '93 and is against it now. Other D's are against it as well. It was in place from '94 to '04 and did ZERO to reduce any gun crime, that is why there was no push to continue it. Columbine happened in '98, other shootings happened over that time, etc. Gun deaths have been going down for decades and the number is lower today than in '04 when the ban expired. The Va tech shooter killed 34 adults, wounded 17 with a Walther P22 (it's not a powerful handgun, it's a .22 cal bullet) and a 9mm Glock (a mid powered handgun) He only used 10 and 15 round magazines. Takes 2 seconds literally to change a magazine. And there are 30 million plus large magazines in the country now.
Michael Barrett
2:31 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Watch this, it shows the AR 15 platform rifle, a few handguns and more powerful hunting rifles.
And with lowering the capacity on magazines? Pointless. First there are literally 30 or 40 million of the higher capacity magazine out there already. Say you banned them and did a forced buy back. A criminal could import them very easily. But they could also make one in their garage. It is a little bit of sheet metal and a spring. Nothing else.
It does not stop a killer either by having a smaller magazine. Watch how quickly this woman changes her magazine and she isn't even trying to go fast. It takes 2 seconds. Magazines are cheap so a mass killer could easily buy dozens and not be affected by a 10 round limit.
Bob Canning
8:58 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Ktg, thank you for at least listening, I appreciate that. I wish you well in the endeavors of your life and I hope you never have to barricade yourself anywhere, although I would suggest that you go to the barricade practice range at least practice barricading, for your family's own safety, that isn't something you'll want to be learning in a moment of need. Statistically, famliy's with firearms are safer than non-owner familys. Comparably, Chicago, Ill., with it's TOTAL gun ban, has the highest death rate in the country, more than Afghanistan. Total bans do not work, just as "gun free" zones don't work. They simply and immediately tell predators, "You'll encounter NO resistance here." Bow hunting should be a choice, just as say...yoga. Let's ban yoga because I believe that lifting weights is more effective and is more of a challenge. Dictating to ME, by YOUR choices isn't what freedom is about, if you don't want a gun, don't buy one, if you don't want a Corvette, don't buy one, do you see my "choice" position? This issue is about control, and Our Bill of Rights, it's certainly NOT about choice...where is Mr. Linsky's legislation making it harder and more painful to be a criminal? It's non-existant.
Bob Canning
8:58 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Cont'd: The innocent, firearms owning fellow Americans are being punished for the actions of the few deranged individuals. Should we judge all mothers by the actions of Honey boo's "parent." Maybe next will come legislation to take YOUR car away, because someone in Pittsfield got popped for a DUI last night, thereby making ALL cars capable of DUI like behavior. Blaming the object and not the individual is the wrong approach. I have read that all of the most recent shooters were either registered Democrats, Atheists or from family's that had registered Democrats/Atheists within the home AND were all heavily medicated...should we consider banning THEM next? Also, there are 33 colleges, 3 of which are here in MA, within the USA that offer scholarships for kids who sportshoot, I see that as a benefit.
Michael Barrett
2:31 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Ktg - "Then you have others who just want to buy a military assault high capacity gun before they are banned."
First there are no civilian owned "military" guns. Military rifles are automatic, there is a ban on those since 1986 and 1934. You'll hear the gun grabbers say military "style", the key word being style. They are black and look like an M16, but they do not function the same way at all. I don't think you've been seduced by the media, I think you simply do not have much knowledge about firearms, which you probably agree. The media knows less than you probably as they screw up terms all the time. So called "assault weapons" are used in 0.6% of murders. They simply are not a choice of a murder. They look scary though, so politician play on the public who do not know the subject but see a black scary looking rifle.
"Why anyone would want one is incomprehensible to me. Protection from our govt? Please give me a break. Hunting? Yea right try a bow and arrow at least it's a challenge."
The most common black rifle you see on the news is an AR 15 platform. There are 3 million in the country and they are used for hunting. The round they fire is a .223 cal. The bullet is very small and cannot not be used for hunting in MA or most other states for Deer, moose, bear, etc. as the round to too small. It is illegal and you can be arrested, have your gun seized or fined for doing so.
Michael Barrett
2:31 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
You seem to think the AR 15 is either automatic or a very powerful gun. It is not. Rifles for deer hunting, moose, etc. and shotguns are much more powerful.
Bow and arrow? Yeah, try to take down a moose with an arrow, or a turkey, etc. The reason you cannot use an AR 15 .223 for deer, moose, etc. in many states is the animal will not die quickly. Instead of a quick humane death, the animal will suffer over time, maybe die weeks later of an infection.
And the 2nd amendment was not about hunting. If you did not hunt in the 1700's, you did not eat. There were no supermarkets, everyone hunted. The 2nd amendment was written because the British tried to take peoples firearms back then and disarm the public. The 2nd amendment is a protection against tyranny. This is not questioned by anyone.
Michael Barrett
2:31 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Ktg - The NRA is about 5 millions members right now. They pay to join. There are over 70 million gun owners. People believe in the 2nd, they own firearms for their reasons, not the NRA.
If guns are dangerous why are there 100 million more guns than 15 years ago but gun deaths are down? The numbers do not support the gun control groups lies. The statistic say gun ownership has nothing to do with gun deaths.
Would you like to meet for coffee and either Bob or I could explain the facts? And the offer to go shooting is there. I think you would learn a lot and dispel these fears that you have. Would you be afraid to stand is a group of on duty police or military, all armed? No, right. Because the gun in their possession is harmless without the bad intentions. But would you feel safe in a room with Charles Manson unarmed, nothing. No. He's a nut and a killer.
You are not gong to keep guns from criminal with gun laws, you only disarm the public.
What do you think an "assault weapon" is? Bob nor I will attack you. We just want to see what you think it is then we can politely reply.
Bob Canning
1:52 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
82 Year Old Shoots Intruder
KFVS12 News
From Gateway Pundit:
Every day we hear stories like this. A home owner protects his property from a violent intruder. An 82 year-old Missouri man shot a violent intruder who broke into his home Friday night. Unfortunately, our national media does not believe this is a major story.
It doesn't fit their liberal narrative.
Police say an 82-year-old Ellsinore man shot a man who reportedly broke into his home Friday night.
It happened shortly after 7:30 p.m. on North Herren Street.
According to Carter County Sheriff Richard Stephens, Charles L. White, 30, of Ellsinore, broke into the residence and assaulted the 82-year-old. White reported fled after being shot.
After the sheriff's office obtained a search warrant, White was found at a home in Ellsinore.
The 82-year-old homeowner was taken to a Poplar Bluff hospital and then by air ambulance to a St. Louis hospital with head injuries.
Bob Canning
1:52 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
How important was a gun to this gentleman? Re-read the story and substitute "newly introduced anti-gun legislation", in the places where this man defended his life and tell me how much criminals care about the laws...
Michael Barrett
9:25 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Hey Ktg,
Democrats, who normally count on the youth vote, may be surprised to find that 70 percent of 18-24 year-olds and 58 percent of 25-34 year-olds say "assault weapons should be allowed." Similarly, Republicans, who usually rely upon the senior vote, will find that 57 percent of 55-64 year-olds and 61 percent of people over the age of 65 say assault weapons should be prohibited.
Gun control is a movement of old white people.
Michael Barrett
9:33 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
read this.
Gun control is going no where except mental health. The proposals Linsky wants are equally unconstitutional.
Bob Canning
11:27 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
Mr. Linksy is a representative, he is supposed to represent support for our rights, not to legislate against them. I am still waiting for someone to make it harder to be a criminal, not harder to be a law abiding citizen. I respect your choice not to own a firearm(voluntary helplessness is a choice), respect my choice and given(naturally, not governmentally), right to own one.
Michael Barrett
7:49 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Bob, Linsky follows the Democrat belief system. They know what you need better than you. See they are the enlightened and everyone else is not worthy.
Pretty comical, the stuff coming from Linksy and his mediocre mind. The average MA state rep is weak minded. Linksy deams to be average.
Bob Canning
4:54 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Amazingly, not a single proposal making it more difficult to be a criminal has been introduced, waiting...
Chad Brower
9:26 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Not only is this legislation useless and cowardly because it only targets legal firearms owners it also unfairly targets the poor. If they require for insurance then make that insurance prohibitively expensive it would make it impossible for the law abiding lower income families to afford. Is that your intention Mr Linsky? To target the poor so they can't buy firearms legally?
Private Snowball
10:54 pm on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
I assume illegals will still be free to carry as they don't have to follow any laws. i would also assume Linsky and his liberal buddies will give them guns for free so they can protect against the evil tax paying Americans. Linsky is the problem with Massachusetts.


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