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Rimini Convention Centre
Rimini Convention Centre
Species: American black cherry
Architect: GMP Studio Hamburg - Wolkwin Marg
Designed by German architects GMP Studio, the newly opened Rimini Convention Centre is one of the largest convention centres in Italy. It is also be one of the most eco-sustainable buildings in the country with spectacular timber flooring made from American black cherry. Spread over 38,000 m2, the new €117 million (including land costs) centre has three separate entrances to two different conference and exhibition spaces seating 9,300.
"The new Rimini Convention Center," explains architect Volkwin Marg of GMP, "integrates into an important urban context that is the object of an overall redevelopment project." Amongst the 15 most important contemporary architecture firms in the world, GMP Studio also designed the new Rimini Fairgrounds and will be coordinating a new music auditorium and the new landscape design for the area. The Convention Centre is a functional modular design of the conference and exhibition spaces that make it possible to host numerous different events simultaneously.
The first space is laid out on two floors including the large 4,000m2 entrance foyer that looks out over the sea. A striking 'oyster-shell' amphitheatre is located on the first floor, offering fixed seating for 1,600 with the option of dividing into two 800-seat auditoriums. The shell shape reflects the location, references the sea, the entrepreneurial heritage of the Rimini area and elicits Renaissance architecture, which is always a strong presence in Volkwin Marg's concepts.
The second space is located immediately behind the first and is connected via the foyer and contains the main conference hall with 4,700 seats. This can also be divided using soundproof moveable partitions to create up to eight autonomous rooms plus a range of other smaller conference rooms and break out areas.
The real organic beauty of the Centre is to be found inside with the clean and contemporary American black cherry flooring. After dismissing an original idea of using 'industrial' flooring made from recycled wood, architect Volkwin Marg chose a different route that adopted a timber that was warmer, more refined and more eye-catching. "Initially, the architects were looking for a product that was easy to source but still had unique characteristics," says Maurizio Bernardi, of Adria Legno Service (San Clemente/Rimini), the company that planned, prepared and finally installed the floors. "We stepped in with the idea of obtaining the best raw materials available on the market, respecting cost and quality requirements, to find a product that was 'pseudo-cheap' but of great visual impact. Through our relationship with Imola Legno, currently Italy's number one timber distributor, we obtained the ten containers of American black cherry necessary for supplying the 7,500 m2 of finished flooring."
"The challenge was to transfer to the finished flooring, both the warm colours of the wood grain and the irregular nuances of American black cherry. We had to transform a 'simple' wood floor into a bona fide architectural element, where American black cherry complements and plays counterpoint to the final building. The resulting floor is 'cheap and chic'." Composed of 2 x 2 x 30cm slats assembled together into 20 x 30cm tiles, the flooring was installed by hand throughout over forty rooms in the Convention Centre.
In the large 'oyster-shell' amphitheatre, a more elaborate installation process was used, starting from the basic slats. "We had to resolve big problems of differences in height between the prefabricated structural elements of the shell and the finished floor," adds Bernardi. "The amphitheatre was not designed to suit the moveable partition that divides the hemisphere into two halves. So in addition to the processing necessary to get the perfect curvature of the flooring, we also had to resolve the problem – probably the most complicated of all – of ensuring a tight fit between the partition and the floor. To do this, we first did a topographical study and then worked out a solution for realigning the levels. The solution was to produce steel frame members that were contoured and welded, using a numerically controlled process, so that the exact heights could be guaranteed for the different tiers. These frame members were then fixed to the load bearing under-structure inside the shell to provide anchors for the installation of the horizontal and vertical elements."
The steps were another challenge, with over 400 intermediate risers. These had to be perfectly in line with the rest of the interior, and like the rest of the flooring, were perfected using a cutting edge CAD-CAM process. The result is stunning. "We essentially created a cabinet with a surface of over 2,000 m2", finishes Bernardi. "The architectural complexity and aesthetic harmony perfectly reflects the desires of the architect and represents a faithful execution of design in the final building. And here the American black cherry best expresses itself – for me it represents the most significant overall architectural element."
Alongside the use of sustainable timber, the building includes a raft of other green building measures including a rainwater harvesting system to irrigate the landscape areas, installation of energy efficient condensation boilers and lighting controls and widespread use of eco-building materials. The redevelopment of the area also saw the creation of a 'green spoke' pedestrian and bicycle route, from the Convention Centre, to the historical centre of Rimini and the marina.
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By Ken Wax
People—usually successful, senior-level people—will speak of this course easily, almost casually. They seem to know it well, as if they've taken it themselves. And the day may come when you hear it requested, with little further explanation, as the cure to some pretty serious problems.
What course is this? It's called "Sales 101"—and no one has ever taken it.
Watch out if you're expected to teach it. Here's why it's so popular, and what to do—and not do—if you're casually given that assignment.
Despite the certainty of its prescribers, Sales 101 exists only as a concept. It's really a collection of one's memories; the sum of a vast amount of knowledge and perspective that person has gained over many years. Experienced Sales VPs and managers have internalized all those insights and techniques to the point where they are automatic and effortless.
When they say, "It's just basic Sales 101"—referring to what's needed to improve selling —they're really saying they'd like all more junior salespeople to quickly know what they've already learned and assimilated over the years or decades.
That's just not possible. It's as if a 43-yearold wanted all 28-year-olds to quickly grasp all they've learned in the intervening 15 years. "It's really just 'Life 101'—can you teach it to them please? And quickly."
The reason Sales 101 comes up, and why solving a sales problem is so important, is because sales determine a company's future. It may sound a bit melodramatic, but the revenue that team brings in pays for everything in the company. If executives feel sales performance is stymied, and lackluster sales performance continues, careers are on the line. Sales managers have little room to dance when the spreadsheets with monthly sales are compiled.
Compounding the problem is that sales executives are always busy. There's never downtime, because they're involved in all those unpredictable customer situations. When there's a crisis, they're even busier trying to help bring in the business. Despite the best of intentions, it can be tempting to try to dump this problem into your lap.
Here are three things to do if this happens:
1. Ask very specific questions.
2. Beware of the 30,000-foot solution.
Even though you need to solve specific problems, managers sometimes suggest, "Let's just get some solution-type sales training in here. You can do that, can't you?" That's usually because, much earlier in their career, a generic methodology training course helped them understand the sales process. Also, sometimes they don't know what else to suggest.
Those multi-day courses have their place, but salespeople will tell you that once per career is plenty. Unless your salespeople are all brand new to selling, most already have a fine grasp of the desired steps in the sales process. A 30,000-foot view won't help much; their success depends on what happens down below.
Process-focused training, even with your company's names and products inserted, is not tactical. It leaves the salesperson at the door, then picks up once that step is successfully completed. But when managers ask for Sales 101, they almost always want their people to know and begin using additional approaches and techniques in real-world situations. Make sure there's a match—you don't want to hear afterward, "Nothing changed; why did you make those choices?"
3. Salespeople don't change without comfort.
They may nod in agreement during training, but rare is the salesperson who will risk looking foolish in front of real customers. Too much is at stake.
That's why your training must involves practicing—out loud in real interactions about your products and competitors. Otherwise, don't be surprised when most salespeople ignore it all and go back to their comfort zone the next day. And because of the nature of selling, no one will even know.
It's easy for an executive to tell you, "They need Sales 101." To get your company the results it's looking for, however, you have to make sure the salespeople actually get sales training for the problem at hand. Guide those sales managers; they'll thank you for it.
Ken Wax works with companies ranging from IBM and Monster to start-ups and midsized, and is author of "The Technology Salesperson's Handbook" (on Amazon). He's taught salespeople all around the world, develops sales tools and tactical courses, and is a keynote speaker at conferences. You can search him on LinkedIn or Amazon, or reach him at firstname.lastname@example.com.

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Ok, I hate being another person asking how on earth to succeed on Paleo - read: drop weight, look fantastic.
However, I'm 33 days in, and somehow larger than before (my diet was moderate carb, lots of veggies, not much protein).
I'm a very petite woman, aged 27, and don't own a scale. I measure my weight by how my clothes fit - they don't. The scale at the gym has given me some insight, I've put on about 16 lbs, and needed about 5. My BMR is just under 1200.
I have migraines, and was on Topamax - worked beautifully- but I felt it was time to get off daily medicine. I stopped taking it according to the doctor's plan. I gained the weight in the past year, just after stopping the medicine.
My aunt went paleo about 1.5-2 years ago, and is also petite and has done beautifully on paleo. I also read a ketogenic diet would mimic the Topamax (since a ketogenic diet helps control epileptic seizures, and I was on low dose for Topamax- an anti-seizure medicine).
Now, for 33 days, I've paleo-ed. I've kept carbs under 20g (minus a couple of days where I just didn't quite realize what foods had how many carbs - I haven't been over 35g/day), PROTEIN at 25-30% and FAT around 60%. The first two weeks I was eating WAY too much - around 1400-1800 cals a day!
I read more about BMR and have kept my calories between 700-1250 for two weeks now. I also added coconut oil 3 weeks ago, and have been taking 1-3 tablespoons daily. I do NOT count these calories. My %s of carb/protein/fat have stayed the same.
I have no more swelling in my joints, which is great. But,my "skinny fat" (just a little extra all over, a little flabby for lack of a better term) has turned very solid, and my clothes are much tighter, some won't go on, even in the past 2 weeks, I've gained weight (no scale though). I am uncomfortable in my own body.
I have absolutely no energy, am upset and getting depressed and very frustrated. I've had 4 migraines, more than usual. Every time I try to exercise, I get a migraine, thus I haven't wanted to exercise much at all. Some light walking and that's it.
I have caffeine only 2-4 times weekly - an espresso with 3T of cream (yum!). I drink only water or herbal tea otherwise.
What can I change? What have I done wrong. This diet seems to work for absolutely everyone. I must be getting too much of something, or a bad combo of nutrients, or something. I'd really appreciate some advice from any of you who can help me drop the weight, and keep the migraines at bay. Please.
My friend was on Topamax for epilepsy and was very slim. When she went off of it, she gained a ton of weight. Perhaps this is one of the ways that the body responds to going off of this particular medication? I know this is probably not what you wanted to hear, but it is a situation I've seen before. That being said, I would eat way more fat and cut down on your protein a bit, like Happy Now was saying. Also, are you sleeping? How are your stress levels? Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson have both noted that you can be doing EVERYTHING right nutritionally, but if you don't have your sleep and stress dialed in, your body is going to hold onto weight like crazy. |
My (newbie) Two Cents: I think we're missing a few key pieces of information here that would really assist in the community helping you out, Sizzle. So far there have been suggestions to change macro-nutrient ratios, drop dairy/sweeteners/salt, supplement more, be less stressed, sleep more, and more...but we're making suggestions without necessary information.
My suggestions: (take with a grain of salt...making assumptions based off incomplete data) Ditch the caffeine, dairy, sweeteners, and herbal tea for at least two weeks. Dial your calories back up into the 1600-1800 range. Tweak your macro-nutrients back towards a 20-30% Protein, 40-50% Fat, and 30-40% Carb ratio. You're running at 60% fat and still putting on weight and feeling low energy...that looks like a possible issue of not enough calories or your body having issues converting protein/fat into ketone bodies. Up the carbs and calories a bit to get a nice steady base line of energy levels and weight gain/loss/maintenance and THEN start dialing down the carbs and dialing up the fat. Without any evidence of severe metabolic derangement, the extra carbs (from good sources, mind you) won't harm you at all. Write back with answers to the questions I've posed here and I'm sure the community can give you a more defined and accurate response. P.S. I fully agree with Violet's suggestion of the link to Berardi's calculator as a better tool than most basic BMR calc's you'll find out there. |
I was afraid to put my weight, because I don't want to be attacked. I'm small - I don't have anorexia or any other eating disorder. 5'0" currently 98 lbs I think. Lowest weight 2.5 years ago was 81 lbs. It was too small and I looked feeble. Best weight, happiest was around 86-88 lbs. At 5' and 98lb, that gives you a BMI of 19. At 5' and 88lb, that gives you a BMI of 17. Both are under weight, a weight of around 110lb would be right for your height, but you need to put it on slowly and lift some weights to build muscle. Also you might look in the mirror and see fat, but others might see a healthy girl, get a second opinion from someone your trust. |
I have absolutely no energy, am upset and getting depressed and very frustrated I realize you are having physical problems, but you are describing some psychological issues here. Body and mind are intimately connected and problems with one often cause problems with the other. Some of your problems sound quite serious. Are you seeing a psychologist or a psychiatrist? I was afraid to put my weight, because I don't want to be attacked. I'm small - I don't have anorexia or any other eating disorder. 5'0" currently 98 lbs I think. Lowest weight 2.5 years ago was 81 lbs. It was too small and I looked feeble. Best weight, happiest was around 86-88 lbs. You say you are small boned, but you should talk to a doctor who can determine whether or not you are really at a healthy weight. There is nothing wrong with buying new clothes. You say you are at 30% body fat but that seems literally impossible. Was that measured by a physician? Because those scales they have at the gym are NOT accurate. |
Sizzle!! Thanxxxs for the updates! New kitten and husband are fantastic! But not nearly enough to negate the other life stressors!! For the wedding, did you diet? This can cause some insulin resistance if calorically deprived excessively. Plus stressful! Buying a new house is stressful! On top of a wedding (planning, dealing w/mom/MILs/etc, executing, enjoying)!! Have you seen this case study? http://www.metametrix.com/learning-center/case-studies/2002/adrenal-stress-biotin-pattern The diff is your cortisol is peaked AM not noon but otherwise I suspect you are like this case --high cortisol in the daytime --low cortisol when you are feeling 'drained' perhaps mid afternoon? pm? --high cortisol midnight for '2nd wind' or difficulty with full, maximal sleep --leaky gut (do you have bloating after meals? you have leaky gut, if yes) --vitamin deficiencies/hormonal dysregulation Consider ways to address the above which are all REVERSIBLE (!!): (a) leptin/adrenal reset -- follow Quilt as you mentioned. Keep carbs 25 grams in the morning (2/3 cup any combo organic berries, rice, potato, etc) and some at lunch and dinner to help keep cortisol in ck. Don't skip meals. You are doing great on protein and fats! Keep up the strong work. (b) lower cortisol by yoga, meditation mixing up mornings and bedtime timing (c) consider for cortisol and fat loss -- adaptogens (see Quilt -- any and all are fantastic -- I also like Gaia's Adrenal which Whole Foods carries or iherb.com -- this totally chills me out yet I get energy) -- Relora (iherb.com) -- magnesium (which helps migraine prevention as well) and mineral rich food (bone broths, extra sea salt, grassfed organs/meats) -- omega-3 (high quality, best brand you can afford) 3 to 6 grams daily -- this burns fat, lowers cortisol in studies and improves brain function and brain inflammation -- vitamin D in the morning -- have you had blood testing? (d) consider for leaky gut -- activated B vitamins and 5-HTP (to replace what your gut microbes are aren't making) -- these add'l help with cravings and energy until your gut and adrenals work properly again. Cortisol promotes permeability of the gut directly. -- digestive enzymes 1-3 caps per meal (Robb Wolf likes NOW Super enzymes and I also like both NOW platinum and pancreatic enzymes; iherb.com) these breakdown food which may be fermenting in leaky gut and malabsorbing instead of being fully 100% digested --bone broths w/marrow, fermented foods (raw sauerkraut + juice, etc) Hang in there... I've done all the above myself and all made a huge difference for me for functioning and body recomp. It is not overnight we deplete our essential reserves (in fact we ran ourselves ragged). It's ok to slow down. OR A LOT!!!! Find your joy -- it's worth your time... Please let us know your progress and all your excellent questions! G |
Like the others have said-- Eat some more carbs. Experiment with your macros a bit. Go for 30% protein and 60% fat, and let the rest be carbs. You always want to eat more fat than protein, otherwise you'll feel like crap (which you do). |
Hey Sizzle, Congrats on making the change, but I have some ideas. As the others have pointed out, make sure stress, sleep, and other variables are in check. If they are... Calories do count, and it's not a bad thing to track them if you are having trouble gaining weight. Here's what I would do:
I know you said you get migraines, but weight training is the best way to treat being skinny fat. Even 20 min twice a week would be great. In all honesty, the best version of the paleo diet I've found yet is here: http://www.bulletproofexec.com/the-complete-illustrated-one-page-bulletproof-diet/ It takes into account a lot of things most people don't such as denatured casein proteins, mycotoxins, and other details that can cause inflammation. Hope this helps! |
Too much protein can increase your insulin as well. I agree with the previous person's assessment. Aim for 25-30% calories from protein, 5-10% carbs if you're doing low carb, and the rest from fat. You only need .7-1.0 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass, so I'd adjust accordingly. I hope that helps! |
Sizzle, I'd concur with a lot of the great suggestions above! Going VLC (very low carb < 20g/day) requires more minerals (read Drs. Mary and Mike Eades, Proteinpower) so perhaps the migraines are secondary to a loss of magnesium? Do you think you may be experiencing reactive hypoglycemia (headaches, migraines, fatigue)? Additionally you listed a bunch of life stressors like being 'an attorney, always tired, married a month ago'. Having 4 migraines is debilitating. Did you move too? WOW. You probably handle stress well but these are significant life stressors and being fatigued is a chronic downer. Consider being evaluated by an integrative practitioner for adrenal insufficiency -- a lot of the things you are saying are consistent to me. I have it on/off and for me VLC exacerbates it when other stressors are going on (excessive exercise, mental stress, jet lag, etc). When I don't have adrenal issues, I can fast or do VLC with no problems and get easily fat reduction. However, when I have adrenal fatigue, weight gain occurs with stressors. What I do is up the salt, fish oil, egg yolks, sleep more, exercise less, more yoga, eat small frequent meals that contain carbs (80-120 g/day), fat and protein (no skipping or fasting!!) and some supps which really help me. My paleo friend Christian Wernstedt does these type of consults via long distance: http://blog.vitalobjectives.com/search/label/Cortisol Topiramate like other pharmaceuticals can mess with cortisol (glucocorticoid) and therefore adrenal-hypothalamus-gut functioning. Scientists haven't even elucidated out the mechanism of action of Topiramate (Topamax) for seizures or migraine prevention. Drugs are potent, synthetic chemicals which can alter many hormone cascades and negative/positive feedback loops. That's my sad clinical and personal experience as well. http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v29/n2/full/1300331a.html Personally I think once adrenal function is assessed and improved to more optimal functioning, you will have effortless weight loss, feel super energetic and migraine control. Fertility hinges on a lot of factors but adequate progesterone for fertility depends on adequate adrenal function for a lot gals. It sounds like the current strategy is somehow adding to some internal hormone stress, hence the weight gain. (I've been through this myself and took a long time to realize). Consider this book in conjunction with a knowledgable practitioner --Natasha Turner 'Hormone Diet' (just ignore the 'whole grain' stuff!) she is really s*xxxy and fun and addresses fat maps, adrenal/thyroid and female hormones. She cured her own PCOS, improved her thyroid and adrenal insufficiency. Good luck! |
You may need to add some weight lifting to your routine. Just a very little bit of it to gain weight. Start slow. |
OOPS! fat is about 60-70%, protein about 25-30%! moderate stress - I'm an attorney, always tired, married a month ago, and sleeping well. I've been off the meds for about a year and a half now, if that helps. very low dose, but after a few months of coming off it, the hunger crept back in and food actually tasted good. |
i was taking in 1400-1800 a day. Now I have coconut oil added, and without those calories I'm at 700-1250 cals a day. Average over 2 weeks has been 950 |
Oh, and if this helps, I have 30% body fat. I used to be 19% |
Thanks, everyone. It's really kind of you to take the time to help me. On the "eat more" front, should I be going over by BMR? I only started to track the calories on fitday.com because i wanted to see how much and what exactly I was eating, and how the %s worked out. I'm surprised that I have actually gotten larger, and have been doing most everything correctly. I am starting to not be hungry, although eating less. As for dairy, mo more than 2 oz hard cheese daily, and a few times a week, heavy cream. This has been very hard. Sweets, bread etc were relatively easy to give up, but dairy is my absolute favorite. Doing well on that though. but why no positive results? |
Topamax has been used off-label as a weight loss drug for over a decade (it was in clinical trials to be approved for that use but I don't know what became of that). I was put on it as an adolescent and dropped 30 lbs in 2 months without trying, because I wasn't eating. I would feel overstuffed, like after thanksgiving dinner, after eating a 6 ounce cup of yogurt. It seems likely that you regained an appetite once you went off the Topamax. I agree with those who suggest eating more real food (meat, organs, veggies and fruit), and cutting out processed foods like splenda and sugar-free jello. for me, even a little of that stuff throws me way out of wack. |
Still no results. less hungry every day, and had one day full of energy (yesterday - same eating patterns). Bloodwork was very good. AST and ALT levels a little high, but expected with under 45 days of Paleo. Heard about leptin reset - BAB (will be 4 eggs, 2 bacon slices, 3T cream in coffee), and sticking with the same foods for dinner and lunch - leafy greens mostly for veg and steak, fish, bison, venison, eggs as meat/protein. ALSO, cortisol was "moderately elevated" - which means after fasting all night (7pm-9:30 am) i was at 25.5 cortisol. Evidently the high range of "normal" is 20. I can't do much about stress (new old house, new life, new marriage, stressful job, weight gain, etc) Many of you said eat more, when i did eat more, i was gaining weight. when i ate less (now) i am gaining. Body Fat measured again, went up 30.6%. i have little to no energy to work out. I sort of miss running, but the thought of it now makes me tired. Will get some 15 lb weights to start out. Any ideas? I'm still frustrated. |
I recommend adding some fermented foods to your diet, such as homemade sauerkraut, kim-chi, kefir, or kombucha. Fermented foods are a great way to get your dietary probiotics. Improving your gut flora will help your body digest food better and absorb more nutrients from the foods that you are eating. |
You need to eat more carbs. Low liver glycogen means your body can't deal with stress. For you too much stress shows up as a migraine. You exercise and get a migraine because you are taxing your already low liver glycogen. Fruit is the best because fructose catalyzes glucose so it can oxidize more efficiently. When you don't eat enough carbs your t3 will be low unless you take/eat thyroid(like the eskimos) which will push you hypothyroid and cause you to gain weight. |
Sizzle, For adrenal stuff you have to go to resources where they've conquered it successfully... Mark Sisson is/was an elite athlete and qualified for Olympic marathon running. Like Quilty, he's a pro at all things hormonal, supplements and optimal health. Ck out his post below! http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cortisol/ Other great resources that are paleo/primal:
You are doing AWESOMELY!!! G |
47 days into Paleo, and bigger than when i started. frustrated. migraine yesterday and today, no different eating/sleep patterns. Can't track why. I have gained more FAT - more cellulite, more quishy in my clothes, the few pairs of jeans that would zip now won't. I need help. Please. |
My best advice is to switch to blood type and get more specific about your food. If you happen to be blood type A, for example, that means you remove the meat and eat more fish and eggs. Refine & finesse-- that is what you need to do. Also take a look at your genotype. Peter D'Adamo has written several totally fascinating books about blood type/genetics. I, for example, am a Hunter genotype. So paleo is my diet 100% more or less and yes works quite beautifully. I've found though I don't have to constantly go radical against carbs to be skinny--- just not my genetics. I have to eat the right carbs and limit the wrong ones. Once you get that info look at intermittent fasting. Eat Stop Eat, Fast 5, Warrior Diet etc. Also compare notes off of Mark's Daily Apple for even more tips. If you are an O paleo should work for you. You just tweak it a little, maybe exercise more or eat a little less or more carbs. But it sounds like it isn't working so you need to dig a little deeper. Yes, I am a genius. :--) No, I just have many years of experience with this. |


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The district, which has gone 22 years without lights at the fields, had requested a variance to the city's light ordinance. Officials have wanted lights at the fields, but the city's light ordinance didn't allow for certain specifications officials said was needed to properly light the field.
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1. Kervinck's view is just an opinion, you quote that he says 'in my opinion'. Well, he presents no argumentative data, so why is his opinion any better than any other in the opposite direction? We don't wreck somebody's career on "opinion", do we now? Not in my opinion we don't, maybe in yours? You get the idea .....
2. I don't care what Osipov says about Strelka. Completely irrelevant. Prove the case on basis Fruit-Rybka please.
3. Sure, IF copy and translate, get it working faithfully first, then improve and obfuscate. But I am telling you, as an experienced programmer (albeit too old to be a trained one, I'm self taught) in this and many other fields, including organising programmers, setting their tasks and controlling their work, there is NO WAY a good chess programmer (Vas +400 Elo don't forget) would convert a great mass of interacting code across data structures that could not be more different, when it is a much easier task to write the sub-functions yourself. Your suggested way is NOT faster, it is way slower, tortuous hell. If you really want to insist "copy", then get it right, he would have made notes and worked off those, self-writing the code. Hacking one's way through simultaneously translating the data structures which themselves cause you to think different? No bloody way!
4. Why should anyone accept this argument of yours and Hyatt's? "Because he could, therefore he did". Ridiculous. First it is zero proof and second it would be madness.
5. ICGA is not a court. The panel is not a court. What arrogance is it to say you need "balance of probabilities" in this case? Firstly, you have no metric of the probabilities of copy rather than write own code. Secondly, why do you claim you need "51%" rather than "beyond reasonable doubt"? Do you actually understand why these terms apply? The latter, the 95% case, is when you would cause serious damage to the lone defendant. Or do you want to live in a society where we get locked up on 51% probabilities? The former, the 51%, is when there are two sides, two sides to equally lose or gain, 51% is forced, although even then the accuser has to "prove" his case (something Hyatt does not understand btw), it would apply if Fabien sued Vas, but it DOES NOT APPLY for an icga panel ruling, for there is no opposite losing side in that case. No opposite losing side, and the pseudo-legal panel is thrown onto "beyond reasonable doubt" for a pseudo-legal case against a lone defendant.
Data, evidence, 95% proof required. Not somebody's opinion. Ok?
I'm not making the argument "because he could, therefore he did"
You most certainly are, right here:
The copying of Crafty and Vas' comments on what he'd do if he was starting out now (and the speed with which he produced Rybka) suggest he favours the faster approach, even if that makes it more likely to leave significant traces of what you've done. Perhaps he wasn't really thinking of any future cloning issues. Perhaps he thought that legally and morally recoding for a different data structure and making improvements was sufficient change to avoid problems. Or perhaps he thought he'd get away with it.
I agree proving that's what happened is a different matter,
Your argumentation style is just ridiculous. It's as if you're fighting a rearguard action on behalf of Levy. Gradually withdrawing, talking obfuscatory nonsense, and never addressing key points. I should get it into your confused head: Hyatt lied. The ICGA case is in ruins. Rybka is clean.
> Of course in the case of Yuri Osipov and Strelka we have his testimony that he did exactly that - rewrote Fruit for bitboards before making changes - and he claimed Vas had followed the same path.
Trust the words of a hacker ?
A hacker who wanted to commercialize Strelka ?
There are other (more likely) possibilities, a decompile by software, see: http://www.top-5000.nl/sourcecode.htm
On commercialising Strelka - Osipov says he was made an offer and it was blocked by Rajlich, although he claims he didn't have much influence in that process (it all took place internally within Convekta?). Anyway, it's not clear who's in the wrong there. If Rybka was largely based on Fruit it would be rather hypocritical to block someone else from doing something similar.
Overall, however, I don't think Osipov has any financial reasons for lying, and I tend to believe he's telling the truth - for instance, he admitted decompiling Rybka (or at least the most important 20% of it) and using that to make the original Strelka closer to Rybka.
what if his character is out of shit, wouldnt that be worse? He'a not the only one, vesuvio comes to mind too. Read the next message.
As far as I can see the rules were clear and understood by the programmers involved, including Vas. He broke them but covered his tracks by obfuscating the engine output and brazenly lying in interviews (that he was an IM helped with the confidence trick that he had a slow engine with a "human" evaluation function).
1) that is written by a layman who has no proof whatsoever for such a nasty verdict. So is vesuvio a dirty shit?
2) vesuvio is as a guest here and apparently he gets the kicks out of insulting the host of this forum. Vas himself. Of course the allegation lying must be proven but a layman has certain difficulties to prove such things IMO.
vesuvio is what others already supposed, he's a cowardly proxy for Dr. Hyatt, who was spreading insults all over half a year from last summer till the beginning of 2012, because also he had no proof for his allegations. I still hope that Hyatt will be sued in future for all the vilain misbehavior.
On the other insults/idiotic statements in your post - I think as usual they say more about you than the person they're addressed to.
On a more positive note - thanks, Ed and Trotsky, for the clarifications of your positions. It's really a shame you weren't on the ICGA panel, as that would have been the perfect setting to seriously discuss the methodology of the investigation, without the inevitable forum noise and silly questions from non-programmers like me! I don't know if the basic verdict would have been altered (at a guess, no), but there'd probably have been a whole lot less discord.
> I agree proving that's what happened is a different matter, though, and one I'm not well-placed to judge. Still, something like that applies to all cases of plagiarism, unless you e.g. film the process happening. You have to go on a balance of probabilities.
Not if you are an experienced chess programmer. You just study the evidence.
This is what the ICGA verdict was based on, and all of it has been debunked. This is what you should expect when you have an investigation run by biased, self serving people, while those with contrary views are excluded from the process.
Topic Minority Report 3, PST + other lookup tables are they legal? By bob Date 2011-07-26 12:58
This is a PDF link: http://icga.wikispaces.com/file/view/ZW_Rybka_Fruit.pdf. Page one is introduction. Page 2 has piece square tables _and_ some side-by-side code. The next several pages _all_ have "side-by-side code analysis." Did you just read the "introduction" and quit? that would explain a lot...
I didn't know it was _that_ hard to find it...
None of this copied code really exists though. Just some stuff that Zach made up which fooled simpleton Bob. The other people involved thought just like Bob until it was pointed out that in fact there wasn't "several pages" of copied code. In fact there wasn't any copied code at all. This led to nonsense from people like you, who are sure that an infraction occurred, even with zero evidence to back up the claims.
Bob also assured us that the FSF was going after Vas. How's that working out for you?
Plus in general, of course, you're defending Vas against the charge of verbatim code copying, but that's not what he was found guilty of.
Don't know anything about the FSF. Ask Letouzey, or perhaps Bob. He said he'd return to answer direct questions, and you know you miss him! :)
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For the Rybka 1.0 beta / Fruit comparison, I think Zach's and Mark's writeups are quite clear. Zach's gives side-by-side analysis of blocks of code showing how they are either (a) identical or (b) do the same things in the same order with the same numbers. That can't be hand-waved away as "he studied the ideas and then wrote his own code." That is an impossibly weak argument with near-impossibly unlikely probability of it being what happened. You'd be _far_ better off spending your life savings on lottery tickets.
Bob only learned later that there weren't any "identical" "blocks of code". How is that the central person in this investigation was ignorant of this basic fact even after the conclusion of the investigation?
It's also explained in the PDF quoted: "Also, note that here too that the PST values are hardcoded into the Rybka executable file, they are not calculated at startup like Fruit's. The code shown here is simply the functional equivalent; it calculates the Rybka PSTs."
Translation: There are a huge number of ways these numbers could have been generated. I'll pick the one way that makes Vas look as guilty as possible. The less obvious point is that as Miguel has pointed out, the same generator function (not code) that generated the Fruit tables, can in fact be used to generate PST tables used in many other programs. Furthermore, Bob is dead wrong about this being a copyright violation.
Don't know anything about the FSF. Ask Letouzey, or perhaps Bob.
I don't need to ask about the FSF investigation. I've known from the beginning that it wasn't going anywhere despite Bob's ridiculous claims to the contrary.
> I don't need to ask about the FSF investigation. I've known from the beginning that it wasn't going anywhere despite Bob's ridiculous claims to the contrary.
Do you know either way for sure what is happening with that ?
But I suspect nothing will come of it, as long as they independently review the case and carry out their own investigation. They will have lawyers involved, and the lawyers will very quickly dismiss the ICGA case and evidence as any sort of starting point.
Yes, Hyatt with his open source code and the ICGA as a non-profit organisation wanting fair competition among programmers would be absolutely anathema to the FSF, while they'd obviously look favourably on someone who (allegedly) took software freely available under their licence, made some changes and released it commercially without respecting the licence On the other hand, I'd agree with people who don't think Vas will have too many problems with the FSF - assuming this is them: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/compliance They don't seem to pursue financial claims and if they found Vas guilty it seems they'd simply require the current Rybka to be "clean" and for source code for the earlier versions to be made available to everyone who purchased/obtained a copy of the software.
The unregistered ICGA can't just unilaterally state it is a "non-profit" organisation and expect me, for one, to believe that, unless and until it opened its accounts for proper inspection and was found to so be.
My impression was you're the main person spreading that rather unlikely conspiracy theory (and silly labels like "madman" and "fascist" don't help make you look sane). How was Vas "trapped"? If you copy and paste large chunks of another program it's surely only polite to read the licence (or the rules of any tournaments you enter the program in). Has Bob been hounding anyone who's only taken the odd idea from Crafty?
On the FSF philosophy - I'm not saying Bob shares it, but he's clearly closer to it than Vas. Even if you can't freely use Crafty code you can look at it and learn from it and the author's willing to explain how it works. In contrast Vas produced his program ("heavily influenced", to quote Riis, by open source software), made it closed source and lied about how it worked - deliberately aiming to impede the progress of other programmers.
On the ICGA status - your guess is as good as mine. My suspicion would be that it's in the grey area various non-profit organisations like chess federations find themselves in. e.g. the Polish Chess Federation recently changed from a charitable status to register to pay VAT as that meant they could accept sponsorship more easily and pay people (e.g. the German Chess Federation apparently can't pay players for international events from membership fees because of its charitable status). That doesn't change the fact that the Polish Chess Federation remains a non-profit (read "loss-making") organisation. In any case, the main nefarious activity of the ICGA seems to be publishing an academic journal...
The ICGA seems to have received at least one large grant of a million pounds, some years back. It is not clear they are registered as a non-profit organization in any jurisdiction. I have no clue how these matters are handled in the EU, but in the US, not filing for non-profit status means you don't have this status...
>He probably took it for granted his ICGA world titles were safe too...
Not really. At least not after the so-called evidence was presented to him.
> Not really. At least not after the so-called evidence was presented to him
Well yes, but before that... But the writing was on the wall for a long time even before then. Having humiliated all the old-school programmers for so many years with his dominant performance, it was only a matter of time before they ganged up on him with trumped up evidence. Whilst at the same time, with breathtaking hypocrisy, they themselves taking things from Ippo, Stockfish etc. And taking from Ippo, which most of them believe was at one point a reverse-engineered Rybka, so taking from the very programme that they convicted.
> My guess is that it was already deemed frivolous, and I 'm not being flippant;and, given reticence on the matter minus any ballyhooing on the part of ICGA profligates, I'd say you could most likely take that one to the bank.
Well, at face value the ICGA case seemed OK, and there are heavyweight names behind it and the ICGA does appear to outsiders to be a professional organisation. . I'd like to hear directly from the FSF as to whether they will do anything. I don't think we can take anything for granted.
As I said, I was only referring to the specific quote and the use you made of it.
In any case, the same applies to the longer quote you give. Again, there are blocks of code side-by-side. The point that the code given for Rybka is, as explained, simply code that produces the tables in Rybka, doesn't make the statement false. The argument deriving from that analysis also still holds - it's extremely unlikely that it just happens to be possible to produce the Rybka tables using mostly identical Fruit code with altered variables.
You can argue that when debating Bob should always point out the nature of the code comparison, but I don't see any real problem (rehashing all the details in each post would quickly become tedious). The main point is that the ICGA report makes it quite clear what was involved and unless you have actual evidence that the ICGA panel failed to read and understand the evidence presented to them it's idle speculation to keep repeating that claim. Attacking Bob, or any one of his many posts, is just a sideshow.
Your reading comprehension seems to be impaired. The rest of us can see that after the conclusion of the ICGA investigation, Bob was convinced that Rybka 1 Beta contained large chunks of identical code to Fruit.
unless you have actual evidence that the ICGA panel failed to read and understand the evidence presented to them it's idle speculation to keep repeating that claim. Attacking Bob, or any one of his many posts, is just a sideshow.
Wrong. Putting page after page of prejudicial code under a 'Rybka' header would not be allowed as evidence by any reasonable panel. Claiming that this was OK because there was a short disclaimer elsewhere in the document is patently ridiculous. I believe that many, if not most of the panel members believed that R1B contained copied code from Fruit, and this is reflected in the statements of other panel members who condemned Vas after the vote.
> it's extremely unlikely that it just happens to be possible to produce the Rybka tables using mostly identical Fruit code with altered variables.
If Vas saw the Fruit variables, and then changed them somewhat, and wrote his own code to generate these new values, this is exactly what you would get: you would find that Fruit code is able to reproduce many of the Rybka tables with some alterations. I think that those who don't understand that this isn't a problem simply aren't equipped with the mental faculties necessary to take part in this debate.
> Plus in general, of course, you're defending Vas against the charge of verbatim code copying, but that's not what he was found guilty of.
The case about the PST's is about verbatim code copying. The time control is another one.
EVAL is about non-literal copying since they never can claim verbatim copying because of those pesky bit-boards.
I thought the PST values in Rybka were just pre-included ("hardcoded") in the program, while in Fruit there's code that runs at start-up to produce them? So how could there possibly be verbatim code copying if Rybka doesn't have that code to produce the tables at start-up? I guess I'm missing something...
Is what he says true?
Bullshit, I said nothing of the sort.
Your pseudo-legal panel thought, and was no doubt advised by Hyatt, to vote on a 51% balance of probabilities basis, as that's the barrack room amateur lawyer assumption used across the forums.
I said the attack panel/ICGA/Hyatt SHOULD have used beyond all reasonable doubt, because the parallel in proper law, is not a civil action between two competing parties (balance of probs), but a criminal action of a tribunal against a lone individual (beyond reasonable doubt). 95% should have been used, where the assumption appears to have been 51%.
Where on the record of the kangaroo court is it stated/written the burden of proof used and advised to the voting panel? Probably again, lack of due process will shine through and there will be NO evidence they even thought about it.
"95% is far too high a bar, but somewhere in between is called for."
Really? What would you like? 75%? You'ld like to screw one innocent programmer in every four? You're a raving madman. Get back to Hyatt land.
Balance of probabilities 51% applies to cases with two sides in zero sum format.
Tribunals against lone person require beyond reasonable doubt else the rate of false convictions of innocent people becomes intolerable. 95% at minimum. If there's a doubt you don't convict.
Now, tell us the burden of proof rate used by the kangaroo court? Did they tell the panel what burden of proof was required? Or was this left unsaid? Extrapolating from the general level of shoddiness shown by the secretariat, on would assume either they postulated 51% or else said nothing.
(a) Have you read all of the evidence linked to the Rybka-Fruit Controversy pages?
(b) In your opinion, did Vasik Rajlich's chess program Rybka violate the ICGA Tournament Rules, especially rule 2?
If the question was in doubt you'd expect at least some people to answer a) Yes b) No. Instead 16 answered a) Yes b) Yes. The whole process - with the open discussion of all the evidence among the panel over a significant length of time - was about as far as you could possibly get from a kangaroo court. I think challenging the process is actually the weakest argument being put forward in favour of Vas.
Anyway, clear to me now, that "burden of proof" was not even considered.
Strelka was born from Fruit with the inclusion of the code chunks and tables from Rybka.
> and it strikes me that the ICGA and the programmers have been consistent in their public statements
I think you overestimate the human race capacity of admitting mistakes
> it was derived from Fruit, with good sized portions still present in 2.3.2a - more so than any other derivative from what I read.
And what, exactly, is it that you have read? I have read the various ICGA reports, and the only piece of evidence put forth is the subjective measure of "similarity" in various parts of the evaluation function. When this was put on a quantitative basis by Kai Laszkos, the result was that there are lots of modern engines that are more similar to Fruit, Rybka 1.0 Beta, or Rybka 2.3.2a than Rybka 2.3.2a is to Fruit.
I predict in several years time we will look back upon this as being the case that changed the rules....or resulted in the ICGA being replaced because it would not change the rules. Vas, not vindicated, but no longer persecuted for his transgressions and some here-to-fore unknow engine, being World Champion.
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