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UPDATE: Shooting at Perry Hall High School, Suspect in Custody
The incident took place Monday morning during the first day of the 2012-2013 school year.
BALTIMORE, MD -- UPDATED (4:19 p.m.)—A 15-year-old student shot a 17-year-old classmate at Perry Hall High School on Monday, the first day of the Baltimore County school year, officials said.
A guidance counselor at the school "heroically" stopped the attack by grabbing the shooter, police said.
Baltimore County police said in a news release that the student who had been shot was transported by helicopter to a local hospital.
Police Chief Jim Johnson said that the shooter is in custody and being interviewed at police headquarters.
"I have a freshman who just started school today. She was scared to death to start high school anyway. She said, 'I want to go back to middle school.' She was really emotional this morning. Now she's saying, 'I'm not going back in that school,'" said Carol Erpenstein. She and her daughter Sarah become emotional after they were reunited along Ebenezer Road near Perry Hall Middle School.
County Executive Kevin Kamenetz said a 15-year-old gunman "randomly picked" a 17-year-old student and shot him in the back. The student is in critical condition after being flown to shock trauma.
A school resource officer was present, and two teachers were able to overpower the gunman, Kamenetz said.
» MORE: See what people are saying on social media. Follow Perry Hall Patch on Twitter for live updates.
"We live in a very difficult time and I was hopeful that Baltimore county was immune to these types of things, but apparently that is not the case," Kamenetz told Patch in a phone interview from the school.
Students were released from school early in the afternoon. They were escorted to Perry Hall Square Shopping Center at the corner of Ebenezer and Belair roads, and then to the athletic fields behind Perry Hall Middle School, where they boarded buses. Ebenezer Road had been closed to traffic.
"The teachers know more than the students do," said a teacher who declined to be identified. "We only know what we've been told."
Perry Hall High School will be open Tuesday, Baltimore County Public Schools officials told Patch.
In an afternoon news briefing, Johnson said that reports at this time indicate that the shooter walked into the cafeteria with a concealed weapon and shot the victim. A teacher "heroically stepped in" to stop the attack, at which time the suspect fired another shot into the air. A police officer on the scene then arrested the suspect. Police have recovered the weapon but are not releasing information about the nature of the weapon at this time.
Johnson called the incident a "random act of violence, involving a single shooter acting alone."
» MORE: See video from the scene and read student reaction.
Kamenetz had been traveling the county Monday with new county schools Superintendent S. Dallas Dance. The traveling party was alerted to the incident by staff while visiting Woodlawn High School
"My personal thoughts right now are clear; my heart, my thoughts, my prayers are going out with the student who was injured and his family right now," Dance said.
In an email update Monday afternoon, police said, "Several other students suffered minor, non-shooting injuries during the incident."
The school—the largest high school among Baltimore County Public Schools with approximately 2,200 students—is located at 4601 Ebenezer Road.
Teachers were taken back to the school to get their belongings.
"The teachers know more than the students do," said a teacher who
declined to be identified. "We only know what we've been told."
Monday marked the first day for public school systems around the state.
In a statement, Gov. Martin O'Malley said: "Today, on this first day of school for many students in our State, we've suffered a senseless act of violence. I'd like to thank the teachers and administrators for their courageous and life-saving actions. At this time, our thoughts and prayers are with the injured student and his family.
"I've spoken with County Executive Kamenetz, and we will continue to support all of our local partners in Baltimore County. It takes all of us working together to make our schools safer for our children."
Lillian Lowery, Maryland State Schools Superintendent was finishing lunch with first graders at Georgetown East Elementary School in Annapolis when she learned about the shooting from a reporter.
"We send our students to school to be safe and this is a horrible way to start a school year," Lowery said.
Lowery sent her blessings to the person who was injured, and said she takes comfort knowing the counseling services at the school will be adequate for those who need it.
A prayer service has been set up for 7 p.m. at Saint Michael Lutheran Church.
Congressman C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger said: "The first day of school is supposed to be a day of reunion after a fun summer and anticipation for the year ahead. No parent should have to worry about the safety of their child at school. I appreciate the rapid response to the situation by the staff and administrators at Perry Hall High School as well as Baltimore County's law enforcement and first responders, who quickly evacuated the victim and apprehended the suspect. My thoughts and prayers are with the students and staff of Perry Hall High School as well as their families."
Baltimore County Councilman David Marks said the incident was handled as well as could be expected.
"I walked here from my house, and everything I've observed has been calm and orderly," Marks said. "The police are doing the best job they can. There are a lot of parents who are justifiably concerned but everyone is taking the most care they can.
"This is clearly an aberration," Marks said. "This is a safe, stable school and nothing like this has ever happened before ... hopefully it won't ever happen again."
Stay with Patch for updates.
Annapolis Patch Editor Anna Staver
12:08 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
what Sue said. I would say this is unbelievable, but I know better.
11:52 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
Sorry to say we can't even send our kids to school anymore home schooling is looking so much better
11:53 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
how many students were shot and taken to the hospital
Tyler Waldman
11:54 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
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12:02 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
this gives me chills. I graduated from there in 2004 and I have grown up in perry hall my whole life. phhs was such a great school with great values, we need to get this little community back to where it was with that warm small town feel.
12:10 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
not happening. Too many more McMansions to build. David Marks is fighting the good fight, though.
Buzz Beeler
12:02 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
WJZ TV has been providing live covering from the beginning before WBAL which was way behind. According to WJZ TV a 17 year old was shot in the back and flown to Shock Trauma. One suspect is is custody.
Patch even beat WBAL and the rest of prime time news.
It was just reported that the victim was in serious condition with a gunshot wound to the back.
May be related to a threat that was posted on line.
6:12 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Please do not post what "may" or "may not" be...if you don't know, Buzz, then don't speculate or make your own deductions based on unconfirmed information. This situation is difficult enough without having to wade through unsubstantiated supposition.
12:04 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
don't know the victim's name...he was shot in the back & expected to survive. Shooter is in custody. 2 boys got in fight in cafeteria, 1 kid went to his locker & got a handgun.
12:08 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
TV says students were throwing things at another kid. He got angry and said he was going to kill them, left the cafeteria for about 5 minutes came back with a shotgun. So scary that there is no safe place anymore.
Bryan P. Sears
12:26 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Roswell, Joe:
We don't know what the cause is or if the incident is related to the Facebook postings we've seen. As soon as we can get it confirmed, we'll report it.
john michaels
1:18 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Several reports say it was a double barreled shotgun
12:05 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Why do kids have Facebook anyways? Parents wake up. Pay attention!
alicia tuttle
10:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
he went into the bathroom and put the gun together
Buzz Beeler
12:05 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
No other active shooter involved. Shooting took place in cafeteria, School was evacuated. People and parents are awaiting for more details at a gathering point near the school.
12:11 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
we'll see when the truth comes out. Still, I guess it's time to have metal detectors installed in our high schools.
12:06 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Buzz Beeler: What threat online? Was the threat reported prior to school starting?
Buzz Beeler
12:12 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
WJZ reporter is saying that a number of parents are showing a Face Book posting that they claim is related to the shooting. I am commenting on what is being reported live on 13.
Buzz Beeler
12:09 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Suspect is according to WJZ is a student at the school. Some are saying a posting on Face Book is related to this event.
I am writing this while watching the live news reports from the scene.
12:09 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Paul your rediculous! These are kids. How about just hoping everybody is okay? Your a bully too!
Buzz Beeler
12:15 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
WJZ showed via helicopter as shirtless teen being escorted to a patrol vehicle in flex cuffs. Can't be sure if he was he suspect.
Shelly Rainier
12:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
my prayers to the school and to teachers and family as a former graduat from this i am keeping u all in my thoughts and prayers
Elizabeth Townsley
12:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I can't believe this. My daughter is in her last year at Perry Hall Middle School and has many friends who attend Perry Hall High School. This truly saddens me. Prayers to the injured student and their family.
Buzz Beeler
12:22 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Shooter came into cafeteria with a shotgun and fired three times.
Buzz Beeler
12:24 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
WJZ says that based on what a student told them bullying was the motive.
12:27 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
There are other ways to stand up to a bully. Once someone stands up to them, most stop being bullies.
We have our share of cyber bullies right on these pages.
Buzz Beeler
12:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
WJZ reporter on scene says the victim may have a special needs student, however he could not confirm that.
12:55 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
When I spoke with my cousin who goes there she said the same thing. :/
Sean Welsh
12:35 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
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kem mason
12:35 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Paul and you wonder why things like this happen its because of comments like you made about blacks and then you'll wonder why when someone takes a pop at you. There is no reason for those kind of comments. And fasebook why did you let that comment go thru.
12:37 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Sticks and stones.......was the way I grew up. Words should never provoke violence.
2:20 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
The shooter wasn't black if that is what the comment was about.
12:37 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
The school needs to step up its security if the student could get a shotgun into the school.
12:40 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
im so glad i took my daughter out of Perry Hall elementary this year. This is the stuff i don't want to deal with so i rather pay for private school and know she will be safe and getting an education.
1:09 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Why are kids safer in private schools? Because the parents make enough money to send them there? Doesn't mean there isn't conflict between children in private school; therefore, seems to me there is the same chance it can happen there too.
1:11 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Steve is chucking his poop! It was his opinion and it was wrong!
Nicolette Archambault Carpenter
2:02 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
This could happen at any school, public or private. This was a result of a poor decision by a child not a bad school. Until private schools put up metal detectors and have police officers, they are no safer than public schools.
2:15 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I went to both public and private/Catholic school growing up.
Not only could this happen in a private school, but you have other very real risks with private school. Risks such as - inferior teachers and materials.
Private schools are a good option if you don't live in a good area. For example, if we lived in Overlea, you better believe I wouldn't be sending my kid to Overlea HS.
You get positives and negatives from private schools. Negative being inferior teachers (and ridiculous amounts of money), positive generally being class sizes.
Home schooling? seriously, very few families could adequately pull it off. It implies a parent is actually scholarly enough to do so. Please- let's be serious here.
Our kids can't live in a bubble forever. We just had our kid at the bus stop for kindergarten this morning, and sure enough one of the other parents was chain smoking. In front of the kids. It's this type of stupid, inconsideration that is rampant in our society today. That's the problem. The fact I even have to ask her not to smoke is effing ridiculous.
All I see in this thread is a bunch of fear-mongering over one event. When was the last time there was a shooting at Perry Hall High School? How long has it been?
Bullying will always exist. It existed when we grew up. Facebook and social media has got to be exacerbating it though. I have no intention of letting my kid have an account until at least 16 but even this won't completely insulate him from it. Kids talk.
Megan Johnson-Tyler
2:32 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Statistically, Gabe is right. Show me the number of private/public school shootings over the past 15 years. Private is a safer place, and that's just a cold, hard FACT. There are affordable private schools in the area.
2:48 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
In 2006 there was a shooting at a private law school in West Virginia. The shooter was stopped by students WITH FIREARMS!
Only 2 victims before the armed students stopped it.
Megan Johnson-Tyler
3:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
here are my statistics, from the above mentioned school shootings. From the 12 schools I was able to research ( excluding any colleges/universities) 11 are public 1 is private.
Nicolette Archambault Carpenter
4:20 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
There were two private school shootings just this year:
Again...this could happen ANYWHERE
7:19 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Private school is no guarantee. A few years ago there was a story about heroin use at one of the private schools.
7:35 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I felt compassion and concern for the parents lined at Perry Hall High School up for their children.
Tim's comments about backhanded slaps at private school is totally uncalled for, this or any day. Especially this day. He can't be too bright and I wouldn't want him running anything. Parents of Private School have great sacrifice for their children, of all age, elementary, high school and college. The benefit is much more than Tim could ever know. (And not just incidents like today. I sincerely feel for the Parents of the Perry Hall High School. I saw the pain on your faces.)
12:40 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Is this a record for the amount of random, senseless, shootings in a year?
Colorodo "Batman" Premier, Siek Temple,Oikos University Shooting, the Chicago Shootings, Empire State Building, Perry High. There is no "safe" area. Home Schooling, sure.. that makes them safe for the time being, but unless you spend the rest of your life in a bullet proof bubble, you can't escape the rest of the nut cases out there... and even if everyone carried guns, most of these could not have been prevented. I am really starting to lean toward much stricter gun control.
12:49 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
If you notice, ALL the sites are "gun free zones" which are always victim rich sites.
12:50 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
The Empire State building shooting on the streets was ALL POLICE victims, the shooter did not fire one shot on the street after he killed his lover.
Buck Harmon
12:53 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Criminals and those with mental problems will always be able to get guns in America,
criminals don't care about the law....what's not to understand about that?
3:17 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Although I'm not exactly a gun advocate, I don't see how making gun acquisition more difficult is going to help matters.
People who want guns ultimately will get them, legally or not.
Rondell Brown
3:51 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
the Chicago shootings don't count because they are mostly drug related and mostly black on black crimes. Thats why there are NO reverends talking about it. There wouldn't be any publicity for them to scream about another TERRIBLE RACIAL CRIME committed by whitey!
Buzz Beeler
12:41 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Sean this is from WJZ live - two teachers tackled the shooter. According to a parent being interviewed the message on Face Book read "School today death tomorrow."
All information being reported as it's being delivered by WJZ TV live.
Bryan P. Sears
12:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Buzz: As a police officer, you know that some times eyewitness accounts are not as accurate as we'd like. We're reporting that information which the police or other officials can confirm on the record for us. The situation is so fluid at this point.
john michaels
1:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
not what it said. First day of school. last day of my life. can't repeat the rest
Buzz Beeler
12:43 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
WJZ just reported student listed in critical condition at Shock Trauma.
6:21 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Buzz, please heed Bryan's admonition. One can check in with WJZ if they want the information; you do not need to be the conduit. Give it a rest. Thanks.
kem mason
12:44 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Caroline. For real. HOW DID THIS KID GET A SHOT GUN THRU THE HALLS ,PAST STUDENTS AND TEACHERS AMD ALL THE WAY TO HIS LOCKER. AND WERE IN THE WORLD WAS HIS PARENTS. THEY DIDN'T SEE HIM OFF TO SCHOOL ON THE FIRST DAY NO WOUNDER HE HAS ISSUE'S.
Oksana Merryman
1:25 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Kids get angry these days more and more with the smallest little things. They react to the anger and do crazy things, such as shooting someone. In this incident, let's remember the lesson and work harder on being friends and not bully's with people. Let's also teach our kids how to handle provoking matters in a calm way instead of letting them react the way they want to - which can cause serious if not fatal problems.
1:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
You would be amazed at how many and how easy you can fit an arsenal in your pants etc. There is a you tube video to show it.
1:39 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Stuffing a shotgun in your pants is not an easy task unless your pants are the baggy kind hangin down off your buttocks. Boot cut jeans do not allow room for a shotgun!
alicia tuttle
10:18 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
apparently it was in pieces and he put it together in the bathroom
gene pettit
12:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
How does a student get a shotgun from his school locker and even into a baltimore county public school in the first place.
2:02 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
rumor was in a music case .could be true ,other kids say they saw him assembling weapon .if it was should stop the crazy calls for metal detectors .
12:48 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Wow - what a way to start the year. Let's just pray the violence has stopped and the kids can have a decent rest of the year. We need to be cognizant of the fact that they will remember this the rest of thier days - what a shame.
12:49 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
@Kem, apparently a whole school was blind today. I know there are classes for teachers to pick up on these weird things and I know they're starting to teach students about warning signs for strange behavior. Clearly if you're walking around with a shot gun with the intentions of killing someone, you're not going to be in the right state of mind. How couldn't anyone see this?
8:51 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Caroline, people will do what they want if they are determined. The man who shot a former co-worker outside of the Empire State Building was calm and merely walked away. How dare you cast any sort of blame on the teachers?
12:50 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Agree with Caroline completely -- Do we need to get a petition together to step up security or get a medal detector??
Oksana Merryman
1:27 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I think metal detectors are smart and also police officers on ground checking and making sure everything is going well on the campus of the school is a good idea.
12:51 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Lisa- you are giving out wrong information. Don't give out someone's name until you are positive it is correct. That is so irresponsible. Everyone is always in such a hurry to be the first one to have information to run their mouth about & no one ever checks the facts first. Gossip mongers.
12:55 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
With 2200 kids crammed in a school ofcoarse he got through to halls. They just released a study saying if you don't have Facebook you are looked at as a phsycopath!? Ummmmmm maybe Facebook is creating physchopaths.parents get off your Facebook and get on your kids and see what they are going through. Be parents again and put down your computers! Thats to the kids too!
2:04 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I wonder how many high schools in Baltimore County have a higher population then Perry Hall?
Sean Tully
12:57 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
A well armed student body being necessary....whoops, wrong misreading of the Constitution...A well regulated Militia...
1:04 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Okay, here we go--the issues are bullying and gun control.
Bullying should have clear definitions as to what bullying is and should become an offense in the eyes of the law.
The selling of guns should be more closely monitored. Parents who have guns in their homes should also be held accountable when their children get hold of the guns.
1:13 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Maryland gun laws are something you need to learn. Parents CAN be held liable. Firearm sales ARE closely monitored in this state that denies us our civil rights.
Kids KNOW what bullying is. They need to be stood up to, not shot.
1:48 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I was not insinuating that bullies should be shot. However, if you beat a bully to death and kill him/her with hands/fists, what's the difference? You are correct, bullies need to be stood up to--but by strict policy by the schools, law enforcement, and parents. Suppose the bully has a gun? How you gonna stand up to that? Some bullies are unstoppable. In the past, school personnel did not hold bullying as a strict, punishable offense and neither do some parents. I had a confrontation w/the parent of a bully when my son was a teen, and the parent was just as bad. Although you are correct in that I need to become more educated about gun laws, common sense tells me that guns/firearms are not monitored closely enough.
Brook Hubbard
1:52 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
As Joe said, Maryland has some of the stricter firearm sales laws. There are a number of restrictions on sales to minors as well as accountability should a minor gain access to a parent's firearm.
Without further information on how and where the firearm was gained, the rest is speculation.
10:32 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
BCPS Policy 5580: Students: Bullying, Harassment, or Intimidation in response to the Safe Schools Reporting Act of 2005. Check it out. If I recall correctly Maryland has some of the most specific legislation regarding bullying. http://www.stopbullying.gov/laws/maryland.html However, lets face it, you can't legislate healthy families, growth and development and relationships. Bullying as well as violence is complex and not boiled down to gun control or any one type of legislation. Rarely does anything boil down to one or two factors.
Missy Jean
1:10 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
FB is circulating a snapshot of the shooter. It's a very disturbing page!!!
Buzz Beeler
1:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Bryan that is why I'm only reporting what is being said live on 13. They are also confirming that their information is not been verified but that is what they are reporting.
I am only relaying what the 13 is reporting live. Even 13 said no none from the police PIO has made any announcement. I would think going back to the Palcynski case they would have as Bill Tooehy was the PIO, someone on scene to provide some details.
I realize Patch reporter's on the scene have their hands full on gathering information live from the scene. Actual I think Patch will be more thorough because of the many Patch readers who were there.
WjZ just confirmed that the shooter was a student at the school. Back in my days if you were on the scene and knew anything you were not allowed to say anything, only the PIO.
Bryan P. Sears
1:18 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Understood, Buzz but you'll see us pull some comments down that cannot be confirmed. I'm watching the news too. They're reporting lots of stuff that is not attributed to official sources yet.
Bryan P. Sears
1:20 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Comment by User "Brian" has been removed. Readers, we're going to be careful about reporting identities and the condition of victims until we get is from official, on the record sources. Thanks.
Bryan P. Sears
1:28 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Bruce Goldfarb, our reporter at Shock Trauma spoke to Cindy Rivers, a hospital spokeswoman, who confirmed that the injured 17-year-old student is alive and in critical condition.
Buzz Beeler
2:32 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Bryan I know, and everything is speculation at this point. I posted comments based on WJZ for several reasons. They were live and I felt that the Patch readers who did not have access to what we were watching at least would have some knowledge about the incident. I also felt it was the only way to release some news to the readers without citing some source that did not include an official news organization.
I also felt the readers who may not have been aware of the ongoing news may have some more insight. It was he only way to be there without being there and the sources were cited.
If the information was not accurate it was reported by 13 and not by Patch.
Buck Harmon
9:48 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Get rid of the no name trouble making posters Bryan ..
Buzz Beeler
1:22 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Sandy, not everyone has access to as a TV. News comes from a variety of sources in a situation like this. Now you may be watching TV but there are many who aren't or don't have access to same.
I am trying to accurate in keeping people informed, if that is OK with you.
6:35 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Will you please leave it to the folks whose job it is to keep us informed? Reporting what WJZ has already said is adding nothing to the discussion. You really should know better..
1:40 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
does anyone know if the student shot was random or involved in confrontation....also what is the condition of the student at UOM?
1:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Don't know if it was random or part of the alleged confrontation, but Brian Sears just reported a few comments above, that the student is alive but in Critical Condition.
Pray for a good outcome for the victim and family.
Bryan P. Sears
1:59 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
CK1221: A hospital spokeswoman says the 17-year-old student is in critical condition. County Executive Kevin Kamenetz said the victim was shot at random and was not targeted.
1:43 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Brian, I just read your post. Thank you for the update on the student taken to shock trauma.
1:45 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Gun control is not the issue, drugs are illegal and plenty of people get those when they need them and I'm tired of bullying being the fallback. Parents need to step up and pay attention yo the kids
1:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Can't believe people are really this baffled about how a gun gets into the school. Its not that difficult if a kid wants to take one. ex: Sports bag like a baseball bag. Art folder. etc. Kids can be creative when they are dead set on something
Tom Cunningham
1:52 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
We have BcoPD and MSP there as well and thats a good thing. But they also have US Marshalls there, you have got to ask yourself this, why are US Marshalls at a local incident?
1:52 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
If all people want to know is "what WJZ is saying," then let them watch WJZ. I think they'd want the facts. Don't give any source more authority than it deserves by seconding its unconfirmed reports. I'm w/ Bryan on this one.
1:54 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
My thoughts and prayers to the student who is injured and all the others that are affected emotionally by this. But there are questions I ask when things like this happen, how is it kids seem to get their hands on weapons to do these acts of violence? Also is our access to excessive media covering for things like shootings cause more of them to happen more frequently? I know with the economy its tough to always be around as parents, but how do you not know your child left for school on the first day with a weapon? And with all the shootings that have been happening in schools in the last 10+ years how do these schools not all have metal detectors?
2:39 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
"how is it kids seem to get their hands on weapons to do these acts of violence?"
How many answers do you want?
Some parents actually train their children about forearms and take them shooting often. Those parents allow their children access to firearms at home for the same reason the parent has them in the home, protection.
Some parents have forearms but do not train their children in their use and never take them shooting which makes the forearm a curiosity. The kids that shoot often do not see the firearms as a curiosity and rarely use one for a purpose other than protection or practice.
some parents have firearms in the home and just don't think about their kids taking then for evil purposes.
Some parents have them and just don't give a hoot about them or their kids.
There are more but you get the point.
Brook Hubbard
3:08 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Please do not forget another possibility: The parents did not have the firearm and the teenager acquired it elsewhere, including illegal channels. There are no monitors on person-to-person longarm sales in Maryland (or surrounding states); all it takes is an unscrupulous seller and a minor has a weapon.
Tom Cunningham
1:57 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
The BcoPD and MSP are onsite but they are reporting that the US Marshalls are there as well. Why would US Marshall be at PHHS? They have no juristiction on a local incident.
1:59 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I have lived in Perry Hall for the past 27 years and it is my opinion that Perry Hall High School was a great place to attend school UNTIL they started busing students from other areas into the Perry Hall School system. My Son attended Perry Hall HS during that time and it was there at the HS that my Son learned racism, he sure as heck didn't learn it in our Home! The things he told me that were allowed to go on in that School made my skin craw, of course he informed me of this after he was no longer in School. He's been out of the HS for 6 years now.
They really should take a good look at the issue of busing other students into this area.
2:25 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
you are complaining about busing but say racism was not learned at home, hard to believe.
7:25 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Racism may not have been taught in YOUR home, but kids don't come into the world hating people who are different from them. That, is taught.
8:33 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Mr. Fred and Ms. Jackie, For your information I am not a racist now nor have I ever been. I was born and raised in Baltimore City, in a neighborhood called "Pigtown" to be exact. A neighborhood that I do not fear to walk down the streets of today but one that I'm sure Mr. Fred and Ms. Jackie you would probably hesitate to drive through without making sure your car doors were locked.
Although my son was born and raised in Perry Hall he accompanied me back to my Parents House, in "Pigtown", every Sunday. There he attended Church and Sunday School for 16 years.
My Son did not LEARN racism in our home, nor was he TAUGHT racism in our home. He never had a problem with anyone who was different than him in anyway, nor did I ever have a problem with "Busing" less fortunate children into neighborhoods that were more fortunate. My Son's problems with racism BEGAN at PHHS. And yes, now I will say I do have a problem with "Busing" but I didn't have this problem until the ugly results of it's outcome reared it's ugly head into My Life!! Oh and BTW, it was not just my Son who came out of PHHS like this, it was also many other Male and Female's throughout the neighboorhood.
So, there you go Mr and Ms Holier Than Thou.
8:13 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
If I am reading this correctly, Roberta, you are saying that racism is taught/practiced inside the school building? Are you implicating the school administration? And I find your comment about locking car doors interesting because I keep my car doors locked no matter what neighborhood I am in. I make no exceptions.
9:21 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
@ Jackie ~ Perhaps you should re-read and 'comprehend' my comment. I was responding to Freds accusation that my Son's racism was 'learned' at home and your comment stating that hating people who are different is 'taught'....YOUR chosen word for which I reused, not mine.
I did not once say that my Son was 'TAUGHT' racism at PHHS, I said his problems with rasim BEGAN at PHHS. His opinions stem from his own personal experience of what he witnessed between the different races of students a PHHS.
I also keep my car doors locked at all times and my statement assumed that you may as well but you would 'make sure' they were locked before traveling through a neighborhood that I would freely walk through with no problem.
I am offended by people like you who choose to take the written word as you see fit instead of comprehending it in it's entirety.
2:00 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I keep seeing metal detectors pop up. While on the surface it seems like a good idea can you imagine the uproar when a child has to be patted down and searched? Can you imagine the amount of time it would take for each student to go through a metal detector. Shoes, backpacks, jewlery etc can all set off a metal detector. Its a can of worms. Never will happen. Not to mention the cost of it to happen, upkeep, hire trained people, etc.
Gomer Pyle
5:51 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Also, they would have to install them in each of the classroom trailers.
7:27 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Metal detectors? How about better parenting, better teaching, better school administrators. We are failing our kids by asking everyone else to do better, but not doing the hard work ourselves.
2:02 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
people need to understand that this community was originally a farming community. it's a older school with old mechanics. It has been expanded, yes. It has been updated here and there, yes. But something like this is no one's fault at the school.. the fault is one of the shooters. He made the choice to do what he did. Yes he made it into the school with a gun, but we are not in an area that guns are suspected and metal detectors were needed (before today). If you want to look for someone to blame, blame the shooter. Not the school, not the other students, not the teachers. Perry Hall High School is a fantastic school, and its sad that this happen.
2:19 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
If this really was a random shooting, and not a bullying response, then it sounds like they did well to limit it to only one shooting victim.
^^^ pure speculation.
No one can stop the truly random from happening. Do you guys honestly think you're much safer being strip searched by TSA agents every time you fly?
Random is random, and those of you who are staunch religious folks should realize that "when it's your time to come home, it's your time".
7:27 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Thank you Courtney. That is where we should start to figure out why this happened.
Angela Williams
2:13 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Kids in middle and high school HAVE to be subjected to screening every morning! Why is this not being done?? This is the life we created, we have to step up and deal with it to keep our kids safe.
Brad Nicholson
2:18 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Please note that no student had their locker assigned to them when this incident occurred, so I do not believe the gun was hidden in one. Also a rifle or shotgun is not easily concealed when fully assembled due to its length.
Most students were sent home without their backpacks which were left in the last classroom they were in.
PLEASE have healing thoughts/prayers for the innocent bystander shot in this incident.
2:24 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
@ Courtney ~ You are correct, we are not in an area that guns are suspected. But, are students that attend PHHS coming from Areas that have Schools where guns are suspected? I wonder??
2:31 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
remember it doesn't take a gun to kill or injure someone if a person is determined. the same thing could be achieved with a knife or a bic pen, just a bit more difficult.
3:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Aboslutely! I graduated there in 2006 and always saw kids coming to school in taxis because they lived on the east side of Pulaski. And, I know kids who used there grandparent's addresses to go to Perry Hall instead of other schools. SAD.
3:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Oh Bart - Fred is correct. The cafeterias no longer have knives and forks. The kids get a spork to do the to handle the job so the kids don't stab each other. When someone is angry enough, anything is possible. Too bad that person has not learned to channel that energy into something else.
4:18 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Hell, even Obama did not trust people with forks and knives at a fund raiser he had at a luncheon.
"However, at one such lunch Friday afternoon, guests heard an unusual announcement that they needed to hand over their silverware for security reasons.
"It's very important that you use your utensils as soon as possible," National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials board member Raquel Regalado told about 1000 delegates at the group's annual conference.
Regalado hurried the diners to finish up their salads and pre-cut chicken breasts, saying that the Secret Service required that there be no knives at the tables and that the forks be rounded up before Obama entered the room.
"As you know, we're having another speaker and there is some Secret Service involved. So there's a reason why there's no knives at your table and the forks will be collected. ... And I'm not joking," Regalado told the audience in a ballroom at Disney's Contemporary Resort at Walt Disney World. "So, like the good Hispanic mother I'm here to tell you to please, eat your lunch."
A Secret Service spokesman confirmed that the agency made the request, but said such requirements are common at large events where the president speaks at about the same time people are dining."
Lauren Rose Klinedinst
2:31 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I saw this on the Baltimore County Breaking News facebook page before the Patch even had it. Prayers going out to this poor boy and his family, nobody deserves to go through that.
2:35 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
All comments from news: A 15 year old male student left the cafeteria came back in with a gun and shot in a general direction. A teacher was able to stop the 15 year from shooting anyone else but the gun did go off one more time. The injured student is a 17 year old male student that was taken to shock trauma and is now listed as serious condition.
Here is a big problem: How did this 15 year old get the gun in the school? Why weren't the parents of the 15b year old doing something? They had to of know he has serious issues. The comment on FB is correct and you can't finish it or your comment will be kicked off due to language.
Perry Hall High School is a very good school but they have a lot of answering to parents of students to do after today.
Our prayers are with everyone especially the 17 year old boy and his family.
Brook Hubbard
2:37 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
News reports the latest rumor from at least one witness (rumor; not confirmed) is that the gun was brought in unassembled. That would be one possibility for why no one saw the concealed longarm (if it was a longarm).
2:37 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I not only hold the 15 year old boy responsible but also his parents. Why didn't they do something before things got this bad?
7:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
It easier to get a gun than it is to get mental health care.
3:00 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
This kind of thing wasn't around when I was in high school. You really have to blame our sick society because the media glorifies this kind of thing...whenever shootings occur it is ALL over the news constantly and by giving all that attention to it, it probably encourages crazy people to be violent for attention or encourages young people (who, lets face it, don't think correctly at times)- who might be going through bullying or other problems to take the matter into their own hands. Also, when you turn on your television today, what is on? Violent TV shows, violence, and more violence.
3:19 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Remember the Hollywierd crowd who detests firearms in the hands of the people yet make their millions on the use of firepower and violence in movies daily. Truly hypocrites.
Jeffrey Davis
3:43 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
@Kevin - So you would rather the media not cover this? That's fine if you live in North Korea, but I'd rather be informed by independent journalists (and you might equate news coverage to "glorifying" a situation, but I certainly don't!)
5:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Off course the news should cover it, but the media , whenever there are mass shootings, covers it for days and days and days, over and over and over. It does glorify it . Forensic psychologists and criminologists have warned that excessive media attention reinforces attention seeking killers, in their sick mind -- they will die famous. I do think the media plays a role and the extensive coverage of these type of shootings fuel the likelihood of the next school shooting.
Brook Hubbard
3:04 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Just some information for those who wish to use demographics to determine causality of this tragedy (which is almost always a fallacy to do):
Perry Hall High School has positive ratings from various sites. (4 out of 5 from SchoolDigger, 8 out of 10 from GreatSchool, etc.)
Perry Hall High School demographics are ~69% White, ~19% Black, ~10% Asian, and ~2% Hispanic.
Perry Hall (town) has similar demographics, with more White population and less minorities. ~33% of all families have minors living with them. Only 2.3% of the population was below the poverty line; the median household income was estimated up to ~$75k.
So, it's bad enough to spout bigoted remarks... but to apply them to this situation is even more ignorant.
Marcus Aurelius
3:08 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
do not even give medical aid to the shooter, take his organs if they can help someone else and throw his carcus in the bay to feed the crabs.
3:53 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Holy Moley--now I'm not going to be able to eat crabs for a while. Why do we eat them anyway? They are scavangers.
7:32 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
The shooter is still someone's child. Would you want people to treat YOUR child this way if he had been the shooter? Easy answers aren't always available, but certainly cannibalizing the shooter can't be the answer.
3:16 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
And yet another 15 yr old with a rough life and an ax to grind.What was it this time some on called him a name? This guy stole his girlfriend.Or the ever popular iam crazy and i just wanted to kill someone and see if my gun was working ok.When you think these things threw and act them out you should get a judge with out a sense of humor and be locked up to keep the rest of the sane ones safe from people like yourself. I have no pitty for those who have no love of life mine yours or any ones.
3:20 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Just want to remind everyone, and to tell their children that suicidal/suspicious comments seen on social media should be reported to police. Even if you don't know anything about the person(full name,address etc.) police can still investigate the situation, all they need is a computer. So don't be afraid if you think that you don't have enough information.
3:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Tom C. in regards to your comment, The US Marshalls are probally on a task force with either Balto Co or MSP and thats why they were on scene. Everyone can talk to each other by switching radio channels. After the Columbine HS case most agencies are trained the same way for active shooter, so the more LEO's the better to take the threat out. In some cases as a school this large as PHHS they would need to check for other things left behind by the suspect. So K9's would be called in, and other agencies no matter what jurisdiction they have would assist Balto Co PD through a mutual aid agreement because one K9 can't search the whole building. Jurisdiction goes out the window when it comes to children. PHHS '96 Graduate, Current LEO.
3:37 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Let's say this incident is no one person's fault--it has nothing to do with having access to a firearm, nor does it have anything to do w/bullying. Let's say the parents of these teens are respectable people who pay a lot of attention to their teens and try to pass along good morals. Let's say the high school personnel have done everything they can to try and prevent something like this from happening. So, we're simply down to two teens making bad decisions??? Somehow, it doesn't seem that simple. If there isn't anyone or anything to blame, why are these types of events taking place in areas we consider safe and more often, and by those who are very young and not likely suspects?
3:47 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
"Let's say this incident is no one person's fault-"
Sounds like the level of responsibility we see far too many are accepting these days for their own actions.
Arbutus Town Crier
5:39 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Its is simple, Just as the Hebrews where they always remind everyone of the Holocaust, We have forgot why the We calibrate 4th of July We were warned by the Founding Fathers, Britain was just an army for someone else by proxy. Sorry just the truth why we are in the situation we are in, race against race, religion against religion all planed out
4:00 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Children are growing up way to fast these days. Little girls are starting to look like "prostitots" and little boys are getting dangerous. Its so sad to see where society is today. I used to be able to go to bed at night with my doors unlocked and this just isn't a time where you can do that any more. It is unimaginable to think that a child is capable of shooting another but it just goes to show, anyone can do anything.
Lisa Ansell
4:01 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
People who are saying 'I'm glad my child is in private school' or 'I'm glad that I home school' REALLY!?? How niave are people? If you didn't learn the lesson today that violence can occur any where at any time you need to wake up and get a clue. Perry Hall High School is a fantastic school with amazing students and faculty. You can get hurt walking out your front door, going to a movie, etc. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with where the high school is. Parents need to be more involved in what their children are doing. This is a terrible tragedy and my prayers go out to the victim, the families, and the students of Perry Hall that had to go through this traumatic ordeal.
4:20 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
What a senseless act of violence. All I have to say is...it all begins in the home...the parents saw no signs of trouble with their own son ? Didn't know a shot gun was missing or even saw their son getting ready for school ? My husband and I are just shaking Our heads. We raised 4 kids and always knew when something was bothering them because we took the time to talk with them....they never owned a gun, never on prozac, never broke the law, never had any problems in school and yes my husband is a retired police officer from the Towson District. My prayers go out to both families and the young victim.
5:12 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I don't necessarily think you meant it, but "never on prozac" shouldn't be equated to "never broke the law" as if they are equally bad. I agree that there can be over-medication, but there can be legitimate reasons for a child to be on medication. My wife and I have two kids. If you saw one, you'd say we are perfect parents. If you saw the other, you'd say we were terrible parents. We have worked day-in and day-out for years with teachers, coaches, administrators, counselors, advocates, and professionals to try to work through the latter one's issues. I'm glad you had success in raising your 4 kids without medication, but unless you are with a family 24 hours a day or have a large amount of information, it's better to reserve judgement on what is appropriate for others.
5:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
How arrogant. Not impressed. My prayers go out to you and your husband that nothing has fallen under the radar or else you will be eating your words.
Maryland Single Mom
6:03 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
AzureSkye- Kudos to you for being such a perfect parent and raising 4 absolutely perfect kids. If we could all just be like you and your husband, the world wouldn't have any problems.
12:51 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Gee--I wish I were just like you and your hubby so I can be just as perfect. Anyone out there have any medals?
Leslie Schildgen
4:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I can't even wrap my mind around what would possibly possess a teenager to take a shot gun to school and not be afraid to use it.
11:34 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Have you seen some of the video games boys this age play? The focus is on stealing, robbing, shooting, and exploding with very graphic bloody scenes and life-like characters, not cartoon characters. Its wicked and twisted, and so is much of the entertainment out of "Hollyweird" as Joe so accurately states above.
Andrea Orellana
4:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I grew up in the NYC suburbs during the late 80s early 90s. Metal detectors and security at every entrance detered kids from bring weapons to school. Old fashioned fist fights were the norm though.
Oksana Merryman
4:22 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I'm just wondering how this 15 yr old got a hand on the gun?
Oksana Merryman
4:31 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Yupp just saw the Facebook page of the potential shooter from the school. So sad.
Another Poetlake
4:38 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Some thoughts & questions about violence & guns.
WBLJ1942's channel - YouTube
Perry Hall Mom
5:00 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
I know both the shooter and the victim. They both went to a local small public elementary school. The shooter has been a trouble maker even in elementary school. Why would any parent let there small child walk around with long chains hanging off their pants in elementary school. His parents are to blame they never had any control over him. It is a shame that an innocent special needs kids had to get shot, very sweet boy. Maybe parents need to start looking at the way their kids act and dress. Look at his facebook page scary kids. I subbed at the school and he was a nightmare child way back in elementary school. His parents need to be held responsible too.
5:34 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
There's usually some history with these sorts of things, like: "They were a quiet family, kept to themselves". Lord, spare me.
This one has been trouble since elementary school? Whew!
So very, very sad.
Spring Heeled Jack
9:31 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Yea I heard exactly the same as you stated. I spoke with three Perry Hall students that work at a local restaurant around 4pm. They all were very close to the shooting and saw it all.
All three of those students said they knew this for many years growing up. They all agreed that he was "always a scarey individual saying strange and delusional things all the time. He was never bullied, but he chose to not be friends or friendly to anyone. Many students reached out to him being friendly and he would always ignore them or say something rude".
Yes, they also said he was Goth and he played it up to scare people.
11:51 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
When my younger son started to wear all black and act weird, I went, in person, to his high school. I worked with his guidance counselor and she suggested private counseling. We attended twice weekly counseling sessions for over a year, even though my son said he hated every minute of counseling. The point is the teachers and guidance counselors kept an eye on my son along with myself. We were all proactive, so my son didn't have a chance to do something bad. After a year, he returned to being a normal student. I feel my early intervention, his high school and private counseling stopped an unwanted behavior.
5:04 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
He had a two piece sawed off. It was taken apart and put In his backpack. He told his friends to get out of the cafeteria saying "I have 21 shells. 20 for this place and 1 for me." he went to the bathroom and assembled his weapon. Came out. Stood at the vending machines, aimed and fired his weapon. That's exactly what happened. 4 kids knew about it before it happened and didn't say a word about it.
5:29 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Kudos to the school and admin for doing a geat job managing an unbelievable situation. To implement an emergency lockdown and evacuation of 2000+ kids is incredible especially on the first day back. My kids were in the building and felt safe, although anxious, throughout the event. I do hope the system learns from the event. Kids are allowed to carry backpacks in the school due to a locker shortage which to me is a huge red flag. Hallways and stairs are overcrowded which adds to potentially unsafe conditions. Hopefully BCPS can move forward and continue to work towards a safe environment for all. I don't think today could have been avoided and I'm greatful things didn't turn out worse.
6:23 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Remember the city school fire problem a few years back? Backpacks had to be clear, they had metal detectors, school police, etc etc. Then they burned the schools with matches and toilet paper.
5:33 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
NK...Sorry to have offended you but...it was never my intention to do so. I was simply making a point that, if some parents took the time to talk with their children ..they would know if their children are in need of medical attention or just being a typical teenager. Bless you and Your family.
9:12 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Thank you for your reply. I re-read my reply and it may sound harsher than it meant. I know nothing directly about this situation so I'm not going to comment specifically on this tragedy, but I do agree that in general communication is a key element. Some kids can be very, very difficult to reach. I salute the educators and others who are able to do so.
I did mean that I was happy for you that you made it through raising four kids successfully as there really are no "easy" children--just some that are less difficult than others.
5:37 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Exactly ^^ I'm a senior at perry hall. And it aggravates me how people knew but didn't say anything about it
6:19 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Aaron, who really believes that a good friend, a close friend, a brother, whatever, would actually go and do such a thing you may have heard them ramble about one night or 2? We have all heard friends etc say really stupid things. as our friends have heard us say. But to act on them is another level. We just do not think our own, otherwise well behaved, well reared responsible children are capable of such a thing. I have had a close friend commit suicide. I never would have thunkit as they say. She had every thing going for her. Nobody saw it. Sad. People do not want to talk to any one any more because as you see on these blogs, people are cruel and mean and hateful. Dealing with that all your life is inconceivable.
6:06 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
why don't they ever try to find out where those creeps get those guns?
Arbutus Town Crier
6:37 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Al- that would defeat the purpose of destroying our 2nd Amendment nobody looks deep into the reason why, When common sense isn't used,There is no reason for senseless disregard of life. I pray that all find comfort thru these challenging times
6:59 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
ATC, pray until you are blue in the face. It never has stopped a single idiot.
Linda Ingmanson
6:21 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
What a way to start the school year. If you know a teacher (or guidance counselor!) please let them know how much you appreciate their hard work in an often hostile environment. I hope the rest of the students are able to continue on with a peaceful year. I can't say I didn't think about this happening when I dropped my boy off for his first day of high school today.
6:34 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Drugs are everywhere even private school. Lateset report showed an adult from the house in Kingsville being taken away in hand cuffs, Father who lives in Middle River house busted by police for drugs and shotgun taken.Also gun was brought in pieces and assembled in bathroom. Just pray for the kids and thank God for Jesse Wasmer!
7:34 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
you want to hear something crazy, 3 yrs ago a student at my daughters middle school tried to stab her . luckey her friend moved her she went running screamimg for a teacher and a police officer. the teacher threw him down and waited for police which were already there for a break in the night b4. he tried to kill himself but only wounded himself. 3 yrs later he is now in the same school as my daughter. i do not understand the school system and why he is allowed back. so as her mother i took off work tomorrow so i can have a talk with the principle and the police officer as well. i do not and will not have anything happen to my daughter. when all that happened the school at the time kept it very quite. i didnt even get a call to come to school. she was calling me. the police had her in a closed room asking her questions. not cool.
as for the parry hall kid, i hope he gets all the he needs. he seems to be very sad angry child that needs help. his parents i feel bad for cause you do not know his home situation and they may never even seen him angry or sad. they need prayers as well.i hope all the ids can get back to school and try to look past this and have a great yr.
5:44 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You daughter must be freaking out knowing someone who attempted to stab her is in her school. As a parent I know I would be out of my mind. I don't understand why they returned the kid to regular school. Did he go to counseling ? Get some kind of treatment ? I think there is a lot of stuff brushed under the rug where the schools are concerned. They do not want to develop a reputation based on one child's action. The only problem is, how many times will a school attempt to do hide the problems.
7:35 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Recommended movie: We Need To Talk About Kevin. Might give some people insight on how these things happen.
8:25 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
ok so who is going to sue over this one - just saying - the lawsuits coming
8:30 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
May God Bless the injured student and bring solace to his family.
Many young people today have been taught no respect for life. From murdering the innocent unborn babies in the womb to the games they play to gang bangers on the streets--life means nothing. You want notoriety; kill someone. God Save the USA.
9:04 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
11:07 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
if you want to talk about where it all begins, I think you need to look at the family
2:20 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
So the "real problem" here is the separation of church and state? Give me a break.
2:27 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Looks like education failed BESAW as well as his god. Where was your Buddy when this went down, napping?
Sam F Johnson
10:15 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
that's middle river for ya. that's why I didn't go to the ghetto town fair.
parents should be arrested too. Facebook is ridiculous. why do kids under 21 need social media? when ur exposed to drug busts and guns, that's all ya know. ARREST THE PARENTS TOO!
12:08 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Sam, I believe all behavior starts in the home. I can live anywhere but I would teach my children the values of compassion, responsibility and accountability. To me, the Towne Fair was a great success and I hope it continunes in the area for many years to come. I also believe the parents have to take responsibility for this situation.
10:35 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Thought it was REALLY cool that employees from the new Giant brought out cases of water for the parents while they waited for their kids. Very cool!
Gregg Roberts
3:57 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Is bullying the cause? It might be a motivating factor but it is not the root problem. My experience is that school staff generally does not address bulling problems until they become violent but this off topic.
The root problem is a cultural where it is comprehensible to shoot a classmate -- a problem non-existent in the '50's when in many parts of the country it was normal to bring your bee-bee gun to school with you without it being alarming. I recall the first shooting at Perry Hall High School in/around '93 that happened after school during a football game (yes -- this is not the first school shooting at Perry Hall -- just first during school hours), by a new student after they started bringing students from Middle River and other communities. Immediately there was a huge spike in drug problems and that shooting was related to drugs.
Absolutely, the expansion of the overcrowded high school's pooling area has had negative consequences. This sounds terrible but it is true.
I am very curious -- maybe a student can tell me -- if drug use/dealing is still commonplace at Perry Hall High?
Emily Kimball
8:17 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
BREAKING: Alleged Perry Hall shooter identified, charged with attempted murder - http://patch.com/A-xsHz
Buzz Beeler
9:07 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
First thoughts and prayers for all of the victims.
Hey Jed, let me ask you a question? You are accusing me of adding confusing accounts of what what was taking place in a live fluid situation, correct? You say I should know better. Better than who? You? What are your credentials? What is your background in journalism?
Patch readers were providing information in the same manor I was.
In a situation such as this one unfolded you gather the news through a variety of sources; witnesses, police officers, FD personnel, and other new organizations. Nothing can be confirmed until the authorities conclude their investigation. What are the readers going to discuss without any information being provided?
Information is confirmed after the investigation is complete.
I got into the situation early and commented what was taking place live based on a reputable and I repeat reputable, news organization. I cited the source and that the information was not confirmed. Other information was provided by Patch readers which is exactly how this site is supposed to work.
I worked for the Baltimore News American and freelanced for the Baltimore Sun probably before you were born. If you have experience in this area than please list your credentials accurately.
Here are some of mine:
This site allows active participation from its readers and relies on their information for news and discussion.
Buck Harmon
9:54 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
More of the same Frankie...Patch Pigeon poo.. give us some substance for a change.
Buzz is respected and does a great job, because you are jealous of the skills that he demonstrates you must ALWAYS result to these PP poo statements that crap up the blog....I will continue to point out this weak behavior as you continue to demonstrate it honey child...
Scott Stephan
10:00 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Wow.....must be leader of some sort of fan club. How about we stick to the issue of this horrible tragedy and not clutter up a blog that mostly includes people that care about what happened. This isn't a Buzz or Buck thing....you guys need to pay attention to the issue at hand and not make this for your own agenda (i.e. a link to your own blog site). how about you worry about the poor kid in critical condition and not make it about you.
Scott Stephan
10:35 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You were singled out because you were the only one that made it about you. Yes comments, prior until it became about Buzz. You are right, it doesn't relate to the incident...the intention was to bring to light that you are listing credentials and accomplishments when in fact people are on here to read about this tragedy, not about who you previously wrote for. Out of respect to all affected in this horrible incident, I will not respond to any of your narcisistic responses.
Arbutus Town Crier
12:04 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
First thoughts and prayers for all of the victims. same here
I don't see any humanity from the in the indoctrinated followers of hatred of Buzz, Buck and others. Its a same that these EDUCATED has lost there common sense! It is proven by these threads who lurk behind in the shadows of these good men Buzz, Buck and others, has no intention of any contribution to mankind but hate, deceit.
The hate of one line meaningless sentences only to follow these good men and women that provide truth. In a way its flattering to have a following. but Hate deceit seems to follow truth and common sense!
The education is a dangerous without common sense, reality, and life experiences.
Their propagating hate, stalking, meaningless sentences like spewing from the Water hydrant, traced by the foul smell to a pile of loathsome garbage..
You can see past posts of them crying that the moderator deleted their post,
nor do they apologize for there actions
I expect a comments from one or more within the shadows that stalks humanity and destroyer of Liberty. that cant handle reasonable dialogue, common sense, respect with no contribution to the good mankind
9:14 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I was down there yesterday trying to get my son initially not knowing if he was ok. Parents were going through a lot of emotions waiting to find their kids.Though I'm thinking this was an isolated incident he will be coming to stay with me now and going to Havre de Grace.
Scott Stephan
9:44 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
What makes you think HdG is any safer? What is with people thinking that Perry Hall is so bad and everywhere else is so safe? Unbelievable.
Leslie Schildgen
9:44 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
OMG, Jackie. . . I saw that movie "We Need to Talk About Kevin". Everyone should watch this movie.
Buzz Beeler
10:29 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Thanks Buck.
Scott were you sticking to the issues with your comment? I think not. You interjected your right to say what you want. Read my first sentence regarding the victims, and all of those impacted.
I find it strange that out of all the comments made on this topic, you, Jed and Frank focus on me.
I have said in he past that when people choose to take shots at me I will defend myself.
If you go back and look at my comments prior to the insults, they all focused on the incident, so look to you own actions and words before judging me because you threw the rocks.
Scott show in your comment of, "I'm with Frank....buzz off buzz.", this in anyway relates to the victims or details of the incident.
11:01 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I love how Buzz dropped out of sight after Bryan P. Sears scolded him for being a parrot. Testosterone a little low today Buzz? It happens when you don't use them much.
Buzz Beeler
11:18 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
There is a lot that goes on this site that you have no clue about. I'll leave it at that.
I did not drop out of sight. I had no new information to add to the incident that is why I stopped commenting.
Speaking of manhood, I'm a real live person who speaks his mind and stands by my words. What is it that your call yourself?
And for Scott, go back and quote one comment prior to me being attacked by Jed in which I refer to anything other that the topic at hand.
As I stated before when comments are specifically directed at me I will respond and when someone attacks my creditability I will respond in kind.
Buzz Beeler
11:49 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Leslie, you were right about the blog police. When this whole incident started I shared through comments what was being reported live from the scene. Other Patch readers also added additional relevant information. In fact the first mention of the name of the suspect came from a Patch reader who commented.
This site is about the people who actively take part in a constructive way. I will always defend myself and try to make this important part of the community work.
Just checked out the article on the victim and sadly there are only two comments posted. Society often forgets about the victims in these types of incidents.
12:20 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
LOl No you weren't. You were pretending to be a reporter, but everybody figured out you were just parroting a real Reporter's news reports.
Buzz Beeler
12:38 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
How can I pretend to be a reporter when I said from the beginning and right upfront the the information I was relaying was coming directly from WJZ TV. I made that very clear right from the beginning.
I, unlike you and some of your buddies don't pretend to be anything. My website reveals my entire background. What is Steve/Robert Armstrong/AdamBuam? The last occupation you said was you where an environmental engineer. What is it this week?
1:04 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
That's a clown question Bro"
If anybody wanted to see what WJZTV was reporting they could have clicked over to their Live Stream. Merely parroting what another reporter is report is journalistic plagiarism.
What exactly is a "half whit'?
12:56 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Buzz, thank you for keeping people informed. Don't waste anymore of your time defending yourself against these people. Some people on this site are just here to pick fights because in real life they are boring half whits that have no friends.
Leslie Schildgen
1:12 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I know that's right, JDK. Buzz. . . you keep on keepin' on. . . people like you make these blogs interesting and fun
1:17 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
My apologies on the misspelling...half-wit (hfwt, häf-)
n. Slang
A foolish or stupid person.
Jessica N Heilmann
1:23 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
The whole point of these "blogs" is to share information, not "Parrot." I think Steve should go back to AOL days and join a chat room just to start childish fights about nothing. Thanks for keeping it interesting folks!!
Buzz Beeler
1:33 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
JDK, thank for your kind words. I have always tried to contribute in a positive way to this site. I love Patch and will always try and will always partake in the process. I thank you for your insightful remarks.
2:31 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Don't know why Buzz, or anyone else deserves being attacked for his contributions to the Patch by a few arrogant, intolerant individuals (and they know who they are). Everyone is invited to be assertive and express/inform/ exchange their opinions IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER, even if you don't agree. Confronting others with responses in a derogatory nature with name-calling and insults is disrespectful and shows bad character (and again, these people know who they are).
Buzz Beeler
1:58 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
JDK, Leslie and Jessica thank you all for standing up for this site.
JDK don't feel you have to correct yourself because of Steve. Just look at what he writes and you'll know what you're dealing with.
Just look at his first sentence or lack thereof, - That's a clown question Bro" (sic) He ends it with a quotation mark and no period.
His other remark is just as poorly written as this will reveal.
"LOl No you weren't. You were pretending to be a reporter, but everybody figured out you were just parroting a real Reporter's news reports. " (sic)
He's missing a capital letter, a coma, capitalizing "No" and "Reporter's" should be small case.
Now as to his plagiarism remarks every time you link something Steve what are you doing?
This should be the end his stone throwing for awhile.
They fail to realize don't throw stones when in fact the house they build is made of glass.
2:09 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You of all people with your half arsed Catholic school education shouldn't be commenting on anybody else's spelling or grammar. You are barely literate.
Buzz Beeler
2:17 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Does one need any more proof of what this person is? His own words speak for themselves.
So I guess it's OK for you to go after JDK while not having to answer for your own mistakes.
Leslie Schildgen
2:30 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I haven't heard of any shootings in Catholic schools so what do you mean by "half arsed", Steve
2:59 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Maybe try Google, Leslie. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93650&page=1 (Just one example, I'm certain there are more. This kind of thing can happen anywhere.)
Arbutus Town Crier
5:24 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
FIFA the faith and sincerity in there belief has LOVE,PEACE GOOD WILL TO ALL HUMANITY but the country Vatican has a different agenda, Priest issues is centuries old and a lot of information that the Founding Fathers fought against the country not the British, read history! The Country has invaded us from within not like our 2nd amendment and freedom of speech or the American Catholic that freely thinks. why is our children are not taught real U.S. history? spirituality is to be respected tolerated by Americans to live together and prosper. They only are loyal to the next hierarchy In the country all the way to the top Not JC.! What I am saying here is history, History thru family of the Catholic Monarchy is true just history don't believe me you have to seek the truth yourself. Never trust man Trust God. This comment is historical, no haterade not religious persecution not condemning anyone's religion, just history. When a country has a General and use them as CIA tactics and profess they have influence on media,on there site and people it time to question, a Mystery of the bible or Enoch and not willing to discuss knowledge. Red Flags all over the place. I apologize for any intent to taken wrong This IS NOT RELIGION I am talking about just history. I'm from a family of few hundred years of the faith. Just History
5:53 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
ATC, all I can say is holy moly. Your god has not stopped a single "natural" disaster or or a man made one. Why? Simple question I believe.
2:47 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
This is the same guy who used as his campaign slogan "English Unties (sic) US!"
Buzz Beeler
3:09 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
What language do you suggest we use on this site? There are over 300 spoken in this country. How far do you think these comments would go if we all spoke a different language.
How many languages do you speak. The last time you were asked you stated six. What are they Steve?
One of the requirements for citizenship is an understanding of the English language.
Buzz Beeler
2:57 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
FiFA why are you telling me to stop. You think that I'm the culprit here? Why don't you tell them to stop? I have read many of your post and felt you were articulate, but in this case you are siding with the low end of the spectrum.
You will also notice that I only respond to a comments directed at me and don't go sniping at others.
You agree with Steve. Do you know who he is? Go back and read some of his comments under his original name Robert Armstrong. Read them and then you will know the quality of the individual you are defending.
Why is it that I'm the cause of this? You have engaged in many long debates with others just as I have. Did anyone tell you to stop? Go after the ones that started this and tell them to stop. You know their names.
3:04 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
When it becomes about the messenger versus the message, you will lose. Just post, don't brag. You have many valid posts and points and don't need to post your resume'.
Thank you for the kind words.
6:05 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Buckaroo is an idiot. As his own statements indicate.
10:26 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Buzz, I was there.I have never posted on Patch before, but felt compelled to do so when I saw the speculative info being put forth by you, a former LE officer, who - as I said - should know better. As you know, WJZ was reporting pieces of information they were able to learn, but it doesn't mean it was entirely accurate or reflective of the actual sequence of events. I just cannot see any useful reason for the "unconfirmed" statements posted by you. If you feel I am maliciously attacking you, I am not. I am, however, in complete disagreement with your actions in this case. By the way, I am older than you think, and know who you are...our paths crossed many years ago. No axe to grind, just think you crossed the line here. Headed back to the barn...
Buzz Beeler
3:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
FIFA, when someone attacks your character what do you suggest I do. It's easy for them because I practice full disclosure. I'm not a punching bag and will stand up for myself.
How can you lose when your speak he truth. If what you say is true than just discredit someone and you win? That is not the way I play this game and you know what is right.
3:20 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
"How many languages do you speak. The last time you were asked you stated six. What are they Steve?"
Can you show me where I said that.
Leslie Schildgen
3:29 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Wow, thanks, DawnP. Had no idea that there was a shooting in a Catholic school by a teen. Man. You're right. . . this kind of thing can happen ANYWHERE.
Buzz Beeler
3:35 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
You made the comment using your other name of Robert Armstrong. You also claimed to be a retired military man who served in three combat areas. Among other things under that name you stated you had numerous college degrees.
Under your name Steve you claim to be an environmental engineer and will not provide any validation for this statement. Would you like me to post the link to your previous life on Patch?
When people read your comments they will know who Steve really is. Remember "Tinfoil Hat?"
4:05 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Did you take your meds today Pops? I think you are losing your marbles.
Buzz Beeler
4:35 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Frank there are two other ongoing articles up on Patch concerning the suspect and the victim who should be in our foremost thoughts. Both of those articles relate to the current events involving the shooting.
None of this has anything to do with the shooting.
If your want to comment I would suggest go to the story on the victim of the shooting and support him instead of this mess.
moe green
4:46 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
do the right thing, form an campaign committee and raise money. stop using forums as a bully pulpit.
and everyone who ever worked with you knows that you were either a traffic cop or sat at a desk. not a real police
Buzz Beeler
4:58 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
A real police! Is moe green as real person? Don't think so. Bully pulpit! Who's the one being bullied?
I was a traffic cop during my 39 year career. I'm not running for office. Looks like you and Steve know each other, or you're part of the east side political machine.
8:26 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Tax cheat fool is Buckaroo. You steal from the rest of us and then complain about welfare. An old white man thief. Go rob a horse.
8:58 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
That's the best you thief has? Pigeon talk. You have a lot in common with pigeons, all talk and eat fries in OC. Crook you are.
9:34 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Buckaroo your IQ and shoe size have a lot in common with your foul mouth.
9:49 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Buckaroo, your potty mouth speaks volumes, you lose.
9:30 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
@ NK..thank you for your response..and I never once after reading your reply thought you were being harsh. As a parent I fully understand what you must be going through and my heart goes out to you and your family. Wishing you all the best.! As for others that suggested that, I was arrogant and or bragging ? Never once did I say that any of Our children were perfect and I never said I was a perfect parent either. Raising children is the biggest challenge ever but... if I can say that, Our children ( whom are all grown & married with children ) never had any serious problems..then yes I am darn proud of that and wont apologize for it either.
9:49 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
The blame does not go to the Patch editors unless there is foul language or threats used and then the post should not go through. People have to "flag as inappropriate" any post they are concerned about.
What is wrong with some of you? A 17 year old boy got shot by a 15 year old boy in a school cafeteria the first day of school. Students, teachers, staff, parents, alumni, neighbors, friends are upset and a couple of you go on and on acting like two year olds having temper tantrums. Thank you to the people who are truely posting about this story. Thankful that Daniel is awake and he can move his fingers and toes. Still praying for him and his family and everyone who suffered, there is a lot of healing that needs to be done.
9:58 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Jeanne, where did you find information about Daniel's current condition? All I've read is that he's still in critical condition.
10:10 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Yahoo News has an article on the shooting, and a friend of the family is quoted. http://gma.yahoo.com/baltimore-school-shooting-victim-downs-syndrome-134105244--abc-news-topstories.html
11:29 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Allison, a friend of the family put up a facebook page "Prayers for Daniel" and they give an update when they get one. It is wonderful news that he is awake and can move his fingers and toes but he still has a long road ahead of him. There is also another facebook page "Lady Gaga please visit Daniel" that they might put updates on.
Scott Stephan
10:12 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I'm with Jeanne.....PP Poo? What does that even mean? How old are they? Like I have said before.....idiots making it about themselves when this post is about a 17 year old in critical condition first and foremost.
Buck Harmon
11:23 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
This blog will not change a thing about the tragic situation one way or the other... It's like rubberneckers practically stopping at a serious car accident to see the wreckage, and maybe a little blood....nothing more, nothing less.. won't make a bad situation any better..it's called sad reality of today's society. Best we can do, is to be the best that we can as individuals. Gun control won't stop it, metal detectors are not feasible for many reasons and posting about it on Patch as though it were the sacred site of all good things certainly won't make it any better. Thoughts and prayers are personal and can be offered from within,from the heart, and if there is a god they will be received as such with or without posting them on a blog. This is not the holier than everyone else blog...it's just Patch.
Buzz Beeler
7:51 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Jed, I don't consider your comments an attack. They were well articulated and civil.
Let me explain. We are in the world of instant news. Where do we get it from, I phones, live coverage and on and on. Patch is a news organization competing with others for readers.
First, yes you can wait for all of the facts to be confirmed and miss the entire story
In the old days you would wake up and read the papers or watch the Six o'clock news. Not any more.
I read and watch news almost 24/7 thus the phrases like, "Eyewitness News", along with "Live and Late Breaking."
If you wait for for all the i's to be dotted and the t's to be crossed in today's world your news organization will not survive.
If you go back and read the comments from the readers of Patch you will the wide range of information coming forth, including one on the misinformation on the condition of the victim.
I relayed what was taking place by a reputable, professional news organization period. If what I did was wrong they why not shut down all comments on Patch until the investigation is complete.
When there is a fatal car crash the news reports it with the information the police are conducting and investigation.
Any news organization does not have the luxury to sit back and verify every detail and survive in today's I-Phone era.
WJZ is a professional news organization.
Just look at the coverage in the Mid East.
11:38 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Several things the media said Monday were wrong and should not have been said to fill air time. This was never about bullying but bullying is a big problem we can solve with our words and actions. When I was at the school tuesday morning for the Prayer for Perry Hall and was very upset to see two media stations setting up cameras blocking the students from walking on the sidewalk without them getting them on film. They weren't into the school property they were at the two corners. I did notice three other medias, ABC one of them, that set up on the sidewalk by the road were students weren't walking filming from a respectable distance. I called one of the stations yesturday and thanked them for respecting the students, staff, and parents. Please continue to pray for Daniel's full recovery and that not only his family but all the famlies affected feel strength.
11:51 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
'I relayed what was taking place by a reputable, professional news organization period."
If anybody wanted to know what WJZ was reporting they could have just clicked on the WJZ live stream on their website instead of coming over to Patch and reading what some wannabe reporter had to say.


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