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Hero Lab (Win/Mac CD-ROM)
For years, RPG players have settled for software tools that simply fall short of what they need. Hero Lab has finally arrived, providing an easy-to-use, intuitive interface atop a versatile engine complete with all the core functionality players have clamored for. Create characters, experiment with all the choices available under the selected rules, and orchestrate your character's evolution. Hero Lab reduces bookkeeping to just a few clicks of the mouse. It automatically tracks changes and modifiers for every stat, ability, item, spell, and option. At the same time, the automated validation rules confirm that all prerequisites, minimums, and other rules requirements are valid. With the ability to support virtually any game system and genre, Hero Lab is a revolutionary addition to any RPG player's library!
Note: The media included with this purchase may be Windows-only, but the activation code from this package may be used with latest version of the software for Windows *or* Mac OS, both of which may be downloaded from the publisher's site here. (The free Hero Lab version for the Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box can also be found on the same download page.)
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Product Discussion (364)
Doc_Outlands wrote: Does HeroLab support non-core base classes like the Warlock and Scout? From what I can tell, it appears that it includes support for all of the SRD classes, and also provides the tools to create your own classes. However, you might want to check in at their messageboards for confirmation.
Adam Karpolorich wrote: Will there be a release for Herolab for the Pathfinder core rules? I love the beta rules and it would be great to get the data for Herolab too! I talked to Hero Lab at Origins last year. They will supply a Pathfinder RPG update sometime after it debuts in August.
Charles Scholz wrote: Cool. I just bought Herolab and am anxious to use it but I need more data. Has anyone here made their own data files that they'd like to share? I need the Pathfinder beta rules and the bloodline books for Vampire the Requiem.
Adam Karpolorich wrote: Cool. I just bought Herolab and am anxious to use it but I need more data. Has anyone here made their own data files that they'd like to share? I need the Pathfinder beta rules and the bloodline books for Vampire the Requiem. PCGen just came out with a release that has the Pathfinder Beta rules built in.
Adam Karpolorich wrote: Will there be a release for Herolab for the Pathfinder core rules? I love the beta rules and it would be great to get the data for Herolab too! The guys over at Wolf Lair have said a few times they are going to work with Paizo for a Pathfinder rule set now that the game book is at the printer. I'm really looking forward to what they come up with.
Lone Wolf Development has the Pathfinder Core Rules (for the last few weeks) and is developing a data set right now, as we speak. This is something I'm really glad to see. Hero Lab is an excellent character creator and manager, and Lone Wolf Development is very responsive. Support for my new favorite system really is great news. Here's an example: the 3.5 data set already supports Rune Lords, Crimson Throne, Second Darkness, and up to #22 in Legacy of Fire. Now they're on the ball for PF RPG.
Watcher wrote:
I KNEW Hero Lab was a good investment! I picked up the CD and bought the Mutants & Masterminds set as well and now this? AWESOMENESS.
Hero Lab isn't tied to any "Hero" game or specific system. It is a character generator with a nice interface that is easy to use, print from, or export to .pdf. The actual system allows you to download updates whenever LoneWolf creates a system compatible data set. At Origins 2008, I spoke with a representative who said that Lone Wolf wanted to support Pathfinder and v.3.5. The system also supports other games as well. I've used PC Gen also, and in my lone opinion, PC Gen seems to currently have more robust data, but HeroLab has a smoother interface. I haven't used it in a little while since I've been running Pathfinder Beta, so let me check out the latest news and stop back here later.
Segallion wrote:
I have both PC Gen and Hero Lab. Hero Lab is just a character generator, and not nearly as customizable or potentially powerful as PC Gen. If you want to make your own custom datasets for Hero Lab, you have to purchase a $20 "authoring kit" separately. It is however more intuitive to work with, has a much nicer GUI, and runs much faster (for all bare bones PC Gen looks, the damn thing is stupidly slow, and yes, I've changed the memory usage protocol to boost it). So there are tradeoffs. For JUST creating PCs, Hero Lab is nicer, but PC Gen is far more flexible and useful for other reasons. As a 3.5/Pathfinder GM, I prefer PC Gen for my needs. I bought Hero Lab for use with Mutants and Masterminds--it's a point-buy system and the software makes it much easier to track points and tweak options. See below. Valegrim wrote: Is this for Hero Game Systems like champions? i dont know anything about this product. No, the names are coincidental. Hero Lab is a character generator for d20/Pathfinder, Mutants and Masterminds, the New World of Darkness, D&D 4, and Savage Worlds. The downside is (this is for anyone reading this thread), when you buy the software, you have to pick only one of the available game systems to have full access to--to be able to level your character up in entirety and save your character sheets. All the rest will be locked in "demo mode" -- you will only be able to level up a character to a certain point, and you will not be allowed to save your character portfolios to adjust later (you can "preview" a character sheet and then save it as a screenshot). Additional game licenses cost approx. $20 each. So if all you want is the character generator for one system--it's a nice, efficient, well-designed character generator for $30 (okay, here it's $27), which ain't too bad. However, each additional license or add-on ruleset past the first costs $20. If you wanted the character generator for ALL systems and want to make your own datasets, you're paying 90-freaking-dollars for the whole shebang--worth a couple hardcover RPG books, and all it does is make characters. Going back to what I said above, this is why I have Hero Lab for Mutants and Masterminds, but will stick to PC Gen and other free stuff for 3.5/Pathfinder.
While I do own Hero Lab, I don't use it during games (since I don't have a laptop). But saying it only creates characters is flat wrong. It is also meant to be used in-play, as it can track multiple characters, their "pets" (familiars, animal companions, bonded mounts)including status conditions, hp etc etc. I believe it also has a die roller. Now it's not meant to run a computer-based game, but it does handle all aspects of keeping track of a character. Since I don't own and am not familiar with PC Gen, I can't really compare the two, but I have used the editor on Hero Lab (and for Timpani), and it's pretty user friendly and the tutorials for the editor are very nice. Knowing nothing about code, I was able to add feats (Improved Toughness, not just some text-based fluff), spells, a domain and several magic items. The editor allows you to add whole classes, feats, magic items, domains, etc etc. Doing just one of those with an Excell-based character generator is a pain! All that did NOT require the purchase of the authoring kit, I might add. The authoring kit is for a user to input an entire system other than what is availabe (and right now, that includes World of Darkness, 3.5, Mutants and Masterminds and Savage Worlds). Their forums have lots of people adding material, and the program's base list of races includes a ton of monsters, so it's a help for the DM even more than the player. Did I mention the interface is user friendly. Regarding the cost of license, $30 gets you the program for use with one system (d20, M&M, etc) on two computers. For another $10, you can expand the license to a 3rd computer. Datasets for other systems usually cost $20, so the idea that it would cost you $90 to get "all the features" isn't fair. If you bought separate programs for making characters for 4 different games, it'd cost you more than that. I'm very happy with it, and I don't even get 100% use out of it. I fully intend to get the Pathfinder dataset (the 3.5 ed Paizo APs are already supported in Hero Lab) and make more use of it.
Twowlves wrote:
I don't want to argue the point in great depth, but Twowlves is absolutely correct. To say it only makes characters is just untrue. If PCGen works well for you now, that's great. I'd keep it then. But I didn't care for how sluggish it was. I originally got Hero Labs for M&M2E, which like most superhero games, has a fair amount of stuff to keep track of and a character creation system that can be potentially quite intricate. It does a helluva a job with that system, as well as 3.5.
GRU wrote:
Tested out their trial version. Everything worked fine, but I was kinda of put off because they had the base AC for Banded at 6 in their program. /shrug I didn't see an option for changing that in any of their menus.
delslow wrote: Thanks, delslow- Is 6 wrong? I think that medium and heavy amor had gone 1 up? (I'm not sure and I don't have the book with me).GRU
Twowlves wrote:
Wow, okay, yes, I certainly wasn't trying to be deceptive. It is more than a character generator, it's an interactive character sheet/tracker, and a very good one at that. It's great if you use a lot of temporary stat boosters. Its features for tracking your wound status in M&M is particularly nice. I honestly forgot about it because I personally don't use those features, that's all (I have friends who do and they like them). What I was getting at was as a GM (of D&D/Pathfinder) I find it limited for my needs. As a player (of Mutants and Masterminds) I do find its features handy. My response was geared (IIRC; it's been awhile) toward someone who was looking for a GM program for Pathfinder, hence my answer. I still do not think it is worth the price of buying all the licenses. FOR ME PERSONALLY. Which is why I only use it for one game. If I wanted to pay for OGL/Pathfinder based software for GMs, rather than PC Gen, I would buy RPGXplorer instead. They are also doing full Pathfinder support, as I understand it.
GRU wrote: It should be 7. Having said that, what Lone Wolf Development has said on their website is that they busted ass to get this dataset done in time for GenCon. They did have an advanced copy of the book, but no PDF. So a lot of data and descriptive text was keyed in by hand.. the old fashioned way. So just like us folks at home, they didn't get the PDF any earlier either. I don't want to get between them and Paizo, but they say they asked for a non-hyperlinked PDF to help with the process, but it just wasn't available. And just like Paizo, they were at GenCon and haven't been able to get much done this past weekend. They've posted that they're committed to adding more descriptive text and fixing the immediate issues with the program ASAP. They do bug patches and updates routinely and for free. The only time they charge for an update is when a significant amount of data is added (like an entirely new rulebook). Case in point, they still tweak and add funtionality to d20 from time to time and that's been out for years. As for changing stuff.. The Editor isn't functional yet but will be hopefully before the end of August (noting that today is August 18th). It's the last part of the dataset development cycle. That was per a post fom their developer on the Wednesday before GenCon. They were really between a rock and a hard place, in releasing a less than perfect dataset in time for GenCon, or not having one for GenCon at all. By the time August is over.. it will be much improved. As for RgXplorer.. I tried it but was not a fan. I didn't care for the interface at all, but that was a few years ago. However, both programs offer a free demo trial. I recommend trying them both before coming to any conclusion or putting too much stock in any recommendation, even mine. Just try them both. EDIT: After a quick visit to the RPGXplorer site.. there doesn't look to be a lot of recent updates or news. They don't have a version that supports the final rules at all, so there wouldn't be a fair comparison anyway.
Watcher wrote:
That's a lot of hard work... Quote:
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There is a post on the forum dated August 10, 2009 that they are working to have Pathfinder compatibility in by the end of the year. So they are slowly working on it... which given one of the other recent posts (from June 2009) is about one of the main developers' children entering the hospital, I can see why they might be slowed down. Out of pure random chance, I ran into someone (at jury duty of all places) about a month and a half ago who playtests RPGXplorer and knows the devs, and she gave me the impression they are still working on it. Just not a lot of public updates, again probably because of personal issues. The main thing is that one program is (mostly) a player's tool, and the other is (mostly) a GM's tool. If you want a digital character sheet/builder/editor, HeroLab certainly does what it sets out to do.
Watcher wrote:
W, By "support" what do you mean? I ask because I'm thinking about purchasing HeroLab, and trying to decide if I want to also purchase the 3.5 dataset. Thanks!
Elorebaen wrote: By "support" what do you mean? I ask because I'm thinking about purchasing HeroLab, and trying to decide if I want to also purchase the 3.5 dataset. They have the new feats, equipment, etc. that were introduced in those issues of Pathfinder available in the character generator. I believe they also included some of the NPCs as well, though I can't remember for sure. One possible issue with that support will be whether or not the added content will still be available from the Pathfinder side. My guess is that it probably will not, but I will try when I get home tonight.
Tamago wrote: Elorebaen, Tamago is correct. By support of "Rise of the Runelords" I mean the feats, traits, spells, crunch. Hell, probably the prestige classes too. And you can enable the crunch for more than just one of the APs. You can enable all of them. @Tamago.. You're mostly wrong but partially right on the AP rules for the Pathfinder side. They have been included and they can be enabled for Pathfinder CORE Rules.. but they're not working. They're not showing up as selectable items, even though the option menu clearly shows the option to use them. :( A bug report has been submitted. (In some respects, I almost wish they had held off till GenCon now. People are excited but they've been gone all weekend just like th Paizo folks)
The AP stuff was already in the d20 license of HeroLab, which is separate from the Pathfinder dataset. I don't have the new PRPG dataset, so I don't know if the AP stuff is in it or not, but I can't imagine that if it isn't already, it wouldn't soon be added.
delslow wrote:
Oops! That is definitely a bug, since the value should be 7. We'll get that fixed in the next update.
DeathQuaker wrote: What I was getting at was as a GM (of D&D/Pathfinder) I find it limited for my needs. As a player (of Mutants and Masterminds) I do find its features handy. My response was geared (IIRC; it's been awhile) toward someone who was looking for a GM program for Pathfinder, hence my answer. When was the last time you tried playing around with Hero Lab as a GM? I ask because we've added some major enhancements for GMs within the past year. The Tactical Console provides a command and control center for GMs to manage the entire party and NPCs, both out of combat and in combat. Think of it as Paizo's Combat Pad on steroids. You can also pre-create a portfolio consisting of all the NPCs/monsters in an encounter, then import it into Hero Lab during the game with a few mouse clicks. Once the encounter is complete, you can quickly remove the actors from the encounter and be ready to load in the next encounter. If you haven't played around with the Tactical Console yet, please take a look using M&M and see what it can do, then let us know if this addresses some of the things you perceive Hero Lab to be lacking. Also, please point out the features you'd like to see added, since we're steadily adding new functionality to the product and user feedback is the best way for us to do that. :-)
Watcher wrote:
Correct on all points. Now that we're back from GenCon, we're busting our butts to get all the rough edges and bugs cleaned up in the Pathfinder data files by the end of next week. We'll also be adding the Editor. Please don't hesitate to let us know about bugs. If you post them on our support forums, they will definitely get fixed in the update due out at the end of next week. If you post them here, we'll be checking periodically, so they'll get added to the fix list, but they might not make it into next week's update if you post them within a few days of the release and we don't see them here in time.
Tamago wrote:
The Adventure Path content for d20 includes all the races, feats, skills, etc. It does not include the NPCs. However, it would be quick and easy to build them if you wanted them, since all the building blocks are in place. For Pathfinder RPG, we *will* be converting all the AP content over, but it will be done after we get all the core material solid first, so look for that material in September. We are hoping that Paizo will be publishing official conversion details for the assorted AP content. However, if they don't, we'll use the general conversion rules for migrating from 3.5 to PFRPG.
Wolfthulhu wrote: I've been messing around with the demo version and was wondering about Traits. Am I missing something or are they not in the demo, and if they are not are they in the full version? Some traits are. It depends on whether the specific content is open or not, case in point being the Companion Books. However, all of the open content traits are in there. Over on their forums they have receieved requests for the Companion Book traits to be added, and on their "to-do" list is to talk to Paizo about getting permission to add just those. (So as to aid in character creation and management while still not infringing on Paizo's IP) When you first bring up HeroLab you'll see the Configure Hero Menu. In the upper middle of the right side of the window you'll see a blue button with a white clipboard with a check on it. Hit that button. That will open up the Setting menu. Under Optional rules you'll see a check box to enable traits.. You'll also see other Pathfinder Rule Options, including enabling content from the APs. If you have already created a character and don't want to start over.. you can access the settings menu by going to to the Character Menu at the top, drop down to Configure Hero, then you'll see the Blue Button with the white clipboard and check mark that opens the Setting Menu.
Watcher wrote: Ah, also where the PFS settings are. Thanks a bunch.
Wolfthulhu wrote: Thanks a bunch. You're most welcome. Its pretty solid right now, but if you spot a bug don't hesitate to report it on their forums. Provided they can reproduce it, it'll be fixed on the next release. The program doesn't see many bugs any longer, but rarely one crops up. Mind you, its never a flaw in the program but how the rule was coded.
Quick question as I won't be able to test the application for a couple of days at least. Does it support the ability to create Pathfinder RPG stat blocks for NPCs a la the ones featured in Paizo products? Also, when ordering from paizo.com, do I get the Pathfinder RPG ruleset by default or is that something I choose during installation?
Every Friday night (i.e., game night) I say "I love Hero Lab" at least twice. I'm the GM, running a Pathfinder module for 6 players. There's also a group of 6 allied NPCs in the mix. I prepare my encounters ahead of time. Each encounter (multiple monsters and/or NPCs) is saved in its own file. A few clicks and a whole combat is in the HL tactical console. I can manage everything with speed and accuracy. I can even scale monsters up or down, track effects, HP, spell, abilities, etc., all with ease. Quite simply, I'd sooner give up email and microwave ovens than game without Hero Lab. My only complaints: Creation of magic items is limited without custom work. The customization is for coders IMO. Luckily I found one who'll work cheaply for Paizo Gift Cards, when he's not sharing his work for free.
Doh! I'm not sure how we missed these posts earlier, so apologies for not replying until now. Ravenmantle wrote: Quick question as I won't be able to test the application for a couple of days at least. Does it support the ability to create Pathfinder RPG stat blocks for NPCs a la the ones featured in Paizo products? Absolutely. The statblock format follows the standard established for the Pathfinder product line. You can generate statblocks as text or formatted for HTML, BBCode, or Wikitext. Ravenmantle wrote: Also, when ordering from paizo.com, do I get the Pathfinder RPG ruleset by default or is that something I choose during installation? Hero Lab is purchased in a non-configured state. Once you install and launch the product, you are prompted to activate your license. During the activation process, you select which game system is included with your purchase.
Dhampir984 wrote: Since it's all I've got to compare to, how does the interface compare to the old e-tools? I'm biased, so I won't attempt to make a comparison. However, we have a bunch of screenshots on our website that you can easily look at. In addition, you can download the product and run it in demo mode for *free*. The only two things you can't do in demo mode are save and print (although you *can* use print preview to see what the output looks like). So you easily make the comparison for yourself and assess whether Hero Lab will work well for your purposes.
I recently purchased Hero Lab & I love it! A couple of questions though. Now Paizo is officially suporting Hero Lab are we going to see any content from the Companions? If so, how are we going to have access to it? Are we going to have to purchase each book? I'm not against that but not at the price of the bestiary please.
LtlBtyRam wrote: I recently purchased Hero Lab & I love it! A couple of questions though. Now Paizo is officially suporting Hero Lab are we going to see any content from the Companions? If so, how are we going to have access to it? Are we going to have to purchase each book? I'm not against that but not at the price of the bestiary please. Now that we have a license in place, we're working towards getting the Companion and Chronicle book content added to Hero Lab. That content will be provided as add-ons, just like the Bestiary. However, the cost will be *significantly* less. Those books require far less effort to get implemented, and the add-on pricing is commensurate with the amount of work involved on our end. We should have more concrete details on these add-ons in the next few weeks. The goal is to have it all sorted out by GenCon.
Allow me to add my 2 copper pieces worth in support of HeroLab. I've tried a lot of character generators: E-tools, RPGExplorer, CharGen, myriad homebrew and Excel generators, and I have to say HeroLab is just better. Just. Simply. Way. Better. And it works for several game systems that I play (M&M, WoD and Pathfinder). And it's eminently configurable (though I'm still working my way around the coding aspect of it). And it produces beautiful output. And you can put everything in the tactical console and run and entire game from the one application. And you can track XP, treasure, journals - everything, basically - with the one application. And it's inexpensive. And it's superbly supported by Lone Wolf. I just love it. It and Excel are my two favourite, most useful applications of all time, and as someone said, I'd give up microwave ovens before I'd give up HeroLab! :)


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Newtown police say all victims' families have been notified and that officials are not yet releasing the names of the gunman or children killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Newtown, Conn., residents reeling from the massacre of 26 people, including 20 children, at an elementary school on Friday are searching for answers about the gunman's motive.
Police have said that they are "working backwards" to piece together the "why" behind the mass shooting in this town of about 27,000 about 60 miles northeast of New York City. A noon Saturday prayer service is scheduled for St. John's Episcopal Church in Sandy Hook, a section of Newtown.
Newtown Police Lt. George Sinko, the department's public information officer, told Patch Saturday morning that investigators have no sense of what prompted the gunman to act.
"There is no sense of motive at this time," Sinko said.
Though Connecticut State Police have declined to identify the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, he is being widely identified as 20-year-old Adam Lanza. According to NBC News, three weapons used in the shootings—two 9 mm handguns and a rifle—were legally purchased and registered to Lanza's mother, a teacher at the school whom police say was found dead at her Sandy Hook home.
Parents of schoolchildren at the scene Friday told Patch that the school was locked and that all visitors needed to be buzzed in. Sinko said Saturday that the gunman appeared to have blasted his way inside.
Police radio dispatches aired by CNN reveal harrowing early communications to emergency responders who arrived at the elementary school around 9:40 a.m. Friday.
"Caller is indicating she thinks that someone is shooting in the building," a dispatcher says. "The front glass has been broken."
And later: "All units, the individual that I have on the phone is continuing to hear what he believes to be gunfire. Units are responding to Sandy Hook school as this time. The shooting appears to have stopped. The school is in lockdown."
According to Sinko, the gunman may have shot out glass next to the front door of the school.
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10:15 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Horrible for the families.
Hollywood needs to stop with the violent movies and games. This comes before any type of gun control.
Then, tighter restriuctions on WHO can buy guns.
What types of guns can be purchased means nothing.
10:19 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Barney, we don't need more laws, we need to enforce the ones we already have ie. why was that dirt bag out on bail on a gun charge when he killed that lakewood police officer? just sayin
10:39 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Enforce w/ what? There needs to be a ban on these high powered weapons. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THOSE TYPE OF GUNS for civilians. Control need to start at the production & distribution level. The people who sell these weapons no longer go to "gun Shows."
3:40 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Enforce what you ask? THE LAW..a jackass robbed a gas station with a toy gun the other night and people are posting on here that he was a confused kid and it was only a toy and no one got hurt. guess what Bella? He can and should be charged with armed robbery...And another thing,be it guns, drugs, handgernades,tanks,etc. get your head out of the sand, if you have enough money you can buy ANYTHING
11:05 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Bans/laws will only work for those who obey the laws. Do you ban cars when someone drives through a crowd and kills people? Do you ban knives when someone stabs someone? How about banning video games that encourage killing? You cannot ban or legislate crazy people out of killing, unfortunately. We need to pray for these families and these children. We need to mourn their loss. Then, let's figure out how we got to this point as a people.
12:53 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Those things you mention are not designed to kill people. Again, Why do we need them?
And Barney High powered weapon is a term I USE to mean these nasty mass killing machines.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THEM! Children's death should not be on the Altar of the god damn 2nd Amendment.
8:55 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Well, I guess we don't need speed limits either as no one pays attention to them.
2:02 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Seccesion now...any gun control will speed up the process so lets just get it over and seperate.
It's called mental illness which you people ignore everytime you walk past the homless guy sleeping in the street instead of in his goverment subsidized home by various programs we all pay for.
Lets ask why is this happening all of sudden. What is making us more violent since guns have been here since they were invented. Is it violent video games, violent movies, lack of family values. Internet access to violent material unsupervised by poor parents.
Why did we close all our mental hospitals here in NJ except for one. Where did these people go and what do we do with the new ones out there. Lock these people up, forced castration on the mental paitients we have now, and death penalty for the criminally insane would be a good start.
4:15 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Oh no, not here too!! Motive? personality disorder? gun control? Unbelievable!
Michael Guenther
7:11 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I think the reason the slightly built Lanza picked a grade school was to miminize the chance of being physically overpowered. Some things are not complicated. He wanted to feel invincible, that's why he wore a bullet proof vest too. I get that we have too many guns in this country but too many bullet proof vests too! Maybe we need vest control too. I don't have a problem with private ownership of assault weapons and automatics being severely restricted if not banned. If only criminals have guns it would still be a big improvement if all they had were shotguns and saturday night specials. After all a rocket launcher is nothing but a big gun but nobody argues that their private ownership is constitutionally protected. Anything we can do to give these maniacs second thouhts about acting out their sick fantasies should be considered.
Joe R
8:28 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ban these damn semi-automatic guns. Enough of the weekly mass slaughters. The guns were legal, his mom purchased them for protection, ha, ha, what a joke. She purchased the guns for protection and then her son shots her in the head with her precious guns. Wow, those guns really were protective. We need stronger gun laws now across the country, I am sick of the slaughters and this one in Newtown, CT, is horrific beyond belief. When is enough enough? The US has gun murder rates many times the other industrialized democracies. We are a sick violence prone, gun saturated country with gun slaughters galore. And yet the reaction is, shh, shh, do nothing, we must not offend Wayne LaPierre or the NRA, we have enough laws.
9:02 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
We only need to ask one simple question : What psychiatric drug was he taking or withdrawing from? Sometimes simple questions are the hardest to ask.
Those questions would be real real hard for the media to ask, because after reporting the event, taking station breaks for advertisements for antidepressants and other psychiatric drugs might give big media editors and producers indigestion , since they depend on Big Pharma sponsorship.
•Eric Harris, the triggerman in the Columbine school shootings, killed his fellow students and took his own life while taking Luvox.
•Thirteen year-old Chris Fetters killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
•Twelve year-old Christopher Pittman murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
•Thirteen year-old Mathew Miller hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
•Fifteen year-old Jarred Viktor stabbed his grandmother 61 times after 5 days on Paxil.
9:02 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Fifteen year old Kip Kinkel (Prozac and RITALIN) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham aged 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
Boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin) a 14-year-old opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, one of whom was paralyzed.
Young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, aged 11,(Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14,(Ritalin) shot 15 people killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, aged 15,(Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, aged 14,(Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, aged 19,(Psychiatric Drugs - various) Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush aged 13 (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
9:03 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa)- school shooting in El Cajon, California
Another boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) had a stand off at the school.
Jarred Viktor aged 15 (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan aged 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Eric Harris aged 17 (Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 in Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado, killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and injured 23 others, before killing themselves.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister
Neal Furrow,(Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications
9:05 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
This website is a collection of 4,800+ news stories with the full media article available, mainly criminal in nature, that have appeared in the media (newspapers, TV, scientific journals) or that were part of FDA testimony in either 1991, 2004 or 2006, in which psych drugs are mentioned.
Tom C
10:15 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
It is the ssri's, plain and simple. Big pharma continues to get away with murder without even a mention by the msm. 99% of the public is unaware of this connection between big pharma and these shootings
Ken Lippin
9:07 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Illegal drugs are "banned", how's that workin' for ya'? Get a grip man, a mentally ill, evil, being, wreaks havoc on poor unsuspecting innocents and immediately you call for a banning of my Freedom? Think it through, how about checking the state of mental health care in this nation?
OC Raiders
1:00 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Bleep you and your freedom. 20 dead kindergardeners the price of your freedom? Most gun nuts are tiny dic white boys with no game, who got whooped in every fair fight they ever been in. So they drive F-150's and belong to the NRA to compensate.
9:13 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The above post, I copied from a post I made in July 2012 here on the patch. Just like the AMA we "react" to symptoms and fail to address the cause.
9:23 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
P.S. A note to news media covering the story, What happened to journalistic ethics! Interviewing children in shock, with the consent of a parent (who is also in shock) is not responsible journalism; it's the worst kind of ratings grab and demonstrates no regard for the victims of trauma. STOP BROADCASTING CHILDREN IN SHOCK. STOP ASKING PARENTS IN SHOCK FOR PERMISSION THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND. News without ethics is not news, it prurient voyeurism of the very worst kind. You have disgraced your Networks, your stations, your news service and yourselves. SHAME ON YOU ALL.
9:40 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Do you really think gun control laws will stop a criminal from getting or using a gun?
9:08 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
It might just stop one and that makes it one tragedy averted.
10:03 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
10:58 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
This has been there and this will be there... Two sets of people, one for gun control and other against it.
What America bought to the world is the word freedom. Gun control is not something this post war 60-80s great nation would like.
But let's face it. Is this problem all about gun control? Not really and we all know it. I speak to a lotof people who say this country is going nowhere. Why? New generation ddoesn't have any respect for old. And this surely is true. The seeds are sown here. Parents raise a child, divorce, don't care much for him, he plays first person real like shooting game, fights with everyone he knows and one day takes his frustration out on others by means of massacre.
Can this ever end? Till our society fixes its own morale, it won't. Can gun control stop this? No, but itcan reduce it for sure. If there aain't no gun, there can't be a massacre.
Videogame, movies, whatevere are just reasons we are looking for. Crimes were there even when these games were not there. But our problems were limited then than how it is now.
I'm a gun lover, and I would be more than happy to go through a number of tests to gain the credibility that I deserve guns.
Unfortunately we are only on a path of disdain.
John Pine
12:33 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
You hit the nail on the head. But the politicians and media will always blame guns to distract people from the real problem, and the real problem is the people doing these crimes.
Justice Ironwulf
11:13 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I think your mention of the violent video games is being highly ignored. This shooter was very involved in LAN games. There has been no mention of exactly what kind of games, and I am sure the others that played them with this guy will cover their collective butts and make us believe it was Burt and Ernie ! I am certain it was gun related.
OC Raiders
12:13 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
The motive for the shooting..........you are a heartless, violent people who spawn your dirty seed into malfunctioning wombs and create soulless people incapable of love or empathy for others.
And you got a lot of guns around. Always a bad combination.
John Pine
12:30 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
I fear this will result in more gun control calls. But its people, not guns, that are doing the killing. This sick individual never should have been able to access the guns. But more important, he was a danger to others, so why was he left to do this savage crime? The person should've been institutionalized, but, as well all know, there has been many cutbacks to mental health services. Many clinics don't have enough staff to properly treat patients. You cant just throw mentally ill people out on the streets or into society without proper treatment. And you cant just make it harder to get guns because the bad people will always find a way to get them. We actually need to make it easier for the good people to be armed. Perhaps if one of the teachers at that school was armed, the shooter could've been stopped before he took more lives.
9:18 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
How do you institutionalize someone who has shown no propensity for violence? So you believe institutionlizing everyone that you deem possibly violent is going to work? Medical Health professionals don't even agree on that one. Millions of people in this country are mentally ill but they don't kill. Let's take away their rights so we don't impede yours.
10:08 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
And millions of people own guns legally and don't kill anyone. The argument of gun control is weak. It doesn't work. What's more sickening is your willingness, and that of the likes of you, to protect the rights of one aspect profile, while completely discounting the other, and why? Because you know nothing of guns, because you don't like guns. No one should have their rights debated, or pressured into debate, by the vastly uninformed. Especially in the wake of a tragedy.
1:14 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Revelations are starting to come out about this. The question is: Will the media be honest and tell the truth? Their track record has certainly been pretty poor. Almost as poor as the premature comments about gun control. It's sad where people will use a tragedy like this to push their selfish agendas. That just shows their character, or lack thereof.
1:47 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
It ain't just Lanza, its in all of us. The only difference is even if we hit the lows we know what is ethically correct. Lanza didn't fear for his life, his mental ability was limited to see him dead and take a bunch with him so that he can rest in peace.
And this ability comes only from us because we gave it to him.
There might be more Lanzas in their basement, planning to steal their parents collector edition guns and execute innocent people in schools, universities while their parents try to fix their lives and maybe a disfunctional marriage.
Truth is we have come too far now. We can't go back and we will have to live with consequences of our own freedom.
7:49 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
2 problems here...most people equate gun control with gun removal, and that is not the case...the majority of advocates for gun control are not trying to stop ownership of guns, just trying to control what type of guns and ammo are available, and make it more formal for the general public to obtain these guns...why not take a written test, vision test, and a live test much like a drivers license?
Second issue is the state of mental health in NJ and the nation....stop lobbying and the pharmaceutical companies have no leg to stand on with these insane drugs they prescribe, and increase the number of mental health facilities so that people, like this sick guy, can get sustained treatment and not be let loose on the public.
7:59 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
I'm glad all of you are looking at how we the people got here: Mental illness, prescription drugs and illegal ones, bad parenting, declining family values, gun control, movies/video games, internet access to violent material, as so on. Out of all of these, I believe guns were around LONG before these other issues (even mental illness was not a recognized issue). Like cars, knives, household chemicals and other products, guns have other purposes besides killing people, but they can be used by people to kill other people. Pick your flavor. For me, I believe most people's issues can be traced back to their parents. I don't care what is out there, if parents are responsible, caring, nurturing and teach their children proper values, much of this would not be happening.
9:16 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
For those of you wanting yet again Government to fix these problems, ask yourselves: How is it working? You want the schools to be fortresses, armed guards and increased school hours? Do you want to spend time with your children or not? How about take some time away from the video games, TV or your other things going on in your lives and spend time with your children? I know this may be inconvenient for some, but no excuses. Next, teach them family values, right vs wrong, good vs evil, and how to make good choices in life. Also, truly punish the evil doers in society. Stop saying prisoners have rights, letting them work out, and watch TV. How many get out just to repeat offenses against the rest of us? Make them stay in a small cell, no workout or exercise, except to attend a bible and high school study groups, and think about what they did. Also, realize that evil can exist in people, and some so bad that they should not live. Also, if you are a good, law-abiding citizen, thank your parents and your grandparents.
9:23 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
You don't seem to understand mental illness? Proper values are not going to cure mental illness.
10:09 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
And you don't understand crime. Criminals don't abide by the law. Only law abiding citizens will be affected by your knee-jerk, "feel good" legislation proposal.
9:05 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
@oldsoldier you are right, i dont blame the guns or video games, this shooting is mental illness! I dont believe any gun law can stop a criminal from getting his or her hands on one. Yes there should be a gun limits maybe? My son has played shooter video games for years mostly ww2 based games and has developed a love for history , military and is a history honors student, that is member of a National youth leadership program. But parenting has to go along with it, we always drilled him that these are games and not reality. Soo many parents buy games with no idea what they are about, ratings on it or not. I knew a mom who bought their 9 year old a Grand Theift Auto game, which is about carjacking and beating hookers! When she saw heard heard child boasting about things in the game she was shocked and took it back from the child ,but soo many parents dont even pay attention to it.
Joe R
11:17 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Guns don't make us safer. Lanza's mother loved guns, collected guns, she had access to guns and so did her demented son. She was killed in her own home by her beloved guns. Guns in the home don't make you safer, especially in homes where one of the members is emotionally disturbed. Ban the damn semi-automatics.
9:12 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
One thing the mother didnt do as she was supposed to do was LOCK UP her guns.
Every gun thats not an automatic is a semi. What you want to do then is ban EVERY gun then.
12:05 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
It was not an "Isolated Incident". It is happening more and more frequently ALL AROUND the entire Globe. Some either environmental cause is responsible or possibly related to high levels of solar flare activity and cosmic rays from our sun. It is Worldwide, not a USA alone problem. It may also be related to___ Birds falling dead from the sky around the globe. Whales and porpoises beaching themselves or washing up dead. Bees and bat birds vanishing. Fish dies offs in lakes, streams and oceans all around the Globe. We have seen more revolutions and total chaos in nations all around the planet in the past few years alone___than in the past 4 decades as more and more people kill their fellow countrymen and neighbors, and destroy the homes, buildings, offices, stores etc. in their own countries. Evolution never ends___we appear to be evolving backwards now and becoming more primitive once again and completely losing our ability to be reasonable and rational.
9:10 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
If we're evolving backwards like you believe, and are losing our ability to be rational...I WANT A GUN to defend myself against all these backwards, illogical people!
Joe R
1:54 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
On Friday in Indiana
CEDAR LAKE, Ind. — A northern Indiana man who allegedly threatened to "kill as many people as he could" at an elementary school near his home was arrested by officers who later found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout his home.
Von. I. Meyer, 60, of Cedar Lake, was arrested Saturday after prosecutors filed formal charges of felony intimidation, domestic battery and resisting law enforcement against him. He was being held Sunday without bond at the Lake County Jail, pending an initial hearing on the charges, police said in a statement.
Cedar Lake Police officers were called to Meyer's home early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire once she fell asleep, the statement said.
Meyer also threatened to enter nearby Jane Ball Elementary School "and kill as many people as he could before police could stop him," the statement said. Meyer's home is less than 1,000 feet from the school and linked to it by trails and paths through a wooded area, police said.
Police said in the statement that they notified school officials and boosted security at all area schools Friday – the same day 26 people, including 20 students, were shot and killed at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
We are awash in guns and crazed psycopaths.
9:12 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
You sound like the type of kid who should never own a gun.
Are you one of Obama's sheeple?
2:44 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Marlboro Guy
8:08 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
How's about banning all the XBOX games of War and killing in the U.S. - keep them in Japan and let them kill people over there. All American youths are getting decensitized to violence and neglecting their schoolwork and family values.
8:17 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
really marlboro guy are you blaming video games???im 43 years old have been playing video games since i was 5 im still playing Call of Duty.. i never once thought of going out and killing people,many of my friends children play these games and are quite gifted,how about taking a look at these families and seeing how many have a father figure or even a family that does things together,i think we need to take a closer look at this mother and ok she liked guns(strange hobby for a woman) did she really need them for protection? she lived in one of the safets places in america. everyone is saying he never showed any kind of violent behavior,how do we know? maybe some stuff went on behind closed doors we will never know about,the father wasnt in the picture,why was that? maybe because he did show violence towards his new family perhaps. before we go blaming guns and video games lets get the whole true story first.
8:29 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Marlboro Guy,
I am seeing a pattern here. Why is it all of the gun control bullies have horrible grammar and might be illiterate?
Frank Rizzo, Tim and now Debra.
Oh ya, they are lazy liberals looking to soak up your hard earned money.
9:32 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Actually, Barney, I see it differently than you do. I notice the gun rights bullies tend to be intractable and afraid that someone is going to come and take their guns away. I do hope those guns make you feel safe. How can we be sure, especially with your rhetoric, that you aren't mentally challenged?
8:10 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Joe, Its people that kill...not guns...That's like saying a pencil caused a kid to fail the test. This is let's make excuses for everyone and everything. Laws are not going to stop from people doing things. Such as drugs underage drink. The real problem is not having adequate help for mental illness. Mental illness is a sickness that can happen to someone anytime. You can be normal, have a chemical in balance that can set someone off.
Karen Bolden
8:30 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Pencils cannot kill people....that's a rediculous analogy. You gun advocates will never get it. Help for the mentally ill, people kill not guns.....yada yada.........first, mentally ill people easily seem to get themselves guns.....so, the first logical step is to KEEP GUNS FROM THEM by keeping them out of society. Yes, people are evil but evil people get guns.....so the first step is to KEEP GUNS FROM THEM...........see how this logic goes?? It's not difficult to understand the connection between the ease of getting guns with the crazies atari first choice always seem to be a firearm!! Stop your agenda for once and think of society!!!
8:12 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Go back and read my comments... I said I feel Mental illness is the real problem that would cause a person to kill anyone, never mind innocent little kids. Mental illness could affect anyone. It is not all poor people like some seem to think, it affects rich people as well. You missed my point with the pencil or car, never said it is designed to kill anyone. I am just sick of all the excuses of pinning the blame on one thing or another. Each person should be responsible for themselves and their own actions. If a kid fails a test, they will try to blame the pencil if they could as silly as it sounds. I was just making a point, or the teacher which is the one to get the usual blame. It's not that the kid didn't study. If someone gets in to a car drunk, the car has killed plenty being it is a heavy piece of machinery. Is it the car's fault? No, it is the person who chose to get in to the car drunk. As well as drugs, if you are drugged out it can wind up killing someone if someone makes the wrong decision. We just keep on blaming instead of taking responsibility that something has to be done with mental illness. It was stated in the paper that no one really knows if it was mental illness that caused this. Well, I say, get your head out of your butt! Mental Illness is the only thing that would cause someone to shoot little kids and Adults cold blooded. I don't care how many laws you put through, if someone goes off the deep end and they want to get a few guns they will.
8:46 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Guns are a device used created to kill lol. A pencil isn't, a car isn't. They were created to do something very simple: kill. Even a knife while a weapon, was not originally designed as a means to kill but a tool. Whether it be a deer, a human, or an intruder in your home. So, yeah the only thing guns should compare to in analogies are other weapons whose soul purpose was to kill, missiles, nukes, etc… Not pencils.
9:07 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Guns are designed to shoot a bullet out of one end.
99.9 % of the time its used for target shooting or hunting.
8:50 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
It doesn't matter WHAT you use the gun for (defending, fighting, hunting) there are a) certain types of guns that a normal citizen should not have and b) anything can be turned into a weapon, but something that is BUILT to be a weapon, should have some very strict guidelines and rules on who can or can carry/use.
9:03 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Barney, for your information i hate guns,and calling people illiterate is kind of being a bully.we are on a computer for crying out loud not writing an essay,grow up..
I lived in Arizona for years in the desert,we had guns lots of them never liked them never shot one. but really did those guns go to this young man and say hey you should use me to kill all those children.. no his mind did it. having access to shose guns made it easier for him to act it out. And if i heard the news correctly he went to purchase his own gun but was denied.Do I think assault weapons should be banned yes.. no need for the common citizen to have one.
9:21 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Bayboat, the first guns were created in the 1200s in China and used by the military. Not for hunting.
As for the present, target practice? Lol im not going to waste my breath on that statement. But I will repeat what I said, doesn't matter what you use the gun for, it's still a weapon whose purpose was to inflict as much damage and death.
Which is why cops are trained to pull out your gun to kill.
9:29 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
How do you propose to get each and every single gun out of the urban crime centers? Then there's the little issue of black market imports of what is sure to be inferior grade ammunition. The problem with Liberals is that they always think they have a one size fits all panacea for everything.
9:44 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Unfortunately, that is also the other issue.. How do you get anything of value off the black market like drugs? We all know how well the war on drugs turned out.
Only way is to make the item obsolete and/or ineffective and useless. How do you do that? No f*cking clue lol
1:18 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
Those who want to ban guns should read this and then we'll see what your next excuse will be. http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
2:08 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
@ opinionated
hereAs I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them," he said.s why you dont act like rambo"
not to mention how do the cops know who the bad guy is?
8:09 pm on Monday, December 17, 2012
To Laura - I'm glad you brought that up. If parents structure their children's lives properly and instill proper values, instead of leaving them to figure things out for themselves or be their friends, perhaps it may not cure mental illness, but it might just prevent someone from developing one of the many mental illnesses out there and enable them to cope better. To be taught "this is why you do the right thing" instead of "there is a reason why you do not do the right thing", could help at least someone. And if it does help one person to help themselves, isn't that worth it?


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SACHSE SHOCKER: Patriots rally for 28 unanswered points in final 13 minutes to stun Mustangs
By DEVIN HASSON,
Published: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:59 AM CDT
There was a sense of unease in the air at Homer B. Johnson Stadium on Thursday night.
Although Sachse led comfortably for much of the night, something seemed a little off for a team that had been so dominant during its 5-0 start.
And then with a scoring barrage reminiscent of what the Mustangs have been doing to other teams, Lakeview turned the tables and made that feeling of uneasiness a reality.
The Patriots reeled off 28 unanswered points in the final 13 minutes of regulation to erase a 20-point deficit and stun Sachse for a 49-41 victory.
Instead of celebrating a victory that seemed secure for much of the night, the Mustangs fell to 5-1 overall and 1-1 in 11-5A as it watched as upstart Lakeview (4-2, 1-1) swarm the field after a defining win.
Sachse had built a double-digit lead in the first eight minutes, and although it maintained a comfortable cushion for much of the night, it never felt completely safe.
The Mustangs committed 10 penalties for 95 yards. They uncharacteristically dropped passes and blown assignments in the secondary resulted in big Lakeview plays that allowed them to hang around.
Still, it was hard to argue that Sachse was not in control of the game late, despite a 31-yard touchdown pass from Brent Davenport to Neiman Reed that closed the gap to 41-28 with 33 seconds left in the third quarter.
The Mustangs, who never punted in the game, had only stopped themselves at that point, but the Patriot defense was about to make an impact.
On the opening play of the fourth quarter, Xavier Pinedo jarred the ball loose and Checotah Peachee recovered for Lakeview at the Sachse 28. Six plays later, Demarcus Hall converted on fourth-and-one with a 6-yard touchdown run and it was suddenly a one-score game at 41-35.
Whether it was intentional or not, the Patriots banged the ensuing kickoff directly off of one of the Mustangs' blockers and it bounced directly back to Alex Walker at midfield.
Lakeview drove down the field and again came through on fourth down when Davenport snuck in from the one-inch line to give them a 42-41 lead with 6:21 left in the game.
Sachse was in the unusual position of trailing, but it had been here before. In the season opener, the Mustangs needed to drive for a late touchdown against Wylie to tie the game, which they did in a game they went on to win in overtime.
Sachse moved the ball behind Kent Myers, who accounted for more than 350 yards combined on the ground and through the air. The Mustangs got down to the Lakeview 28, but two dropped passes and a false start penalty put them in a tough situation and Myers' scramble on fourth down came up a yard short.
On the next play, Hall, who had 17 carries for 144 yards, ripped off a 63-yard run. After calling a timeout, Sachse elected to concede the points, with Hall scoring on a 22-yard run that made it 49-41 with 1:11 left.
Playing against an extreme prevent defense, the Mustangs got down to the Lakeview 31, but in the final sign that it was not their night, Myers threw his first interception of the season when Marquis Denmark nabbed a deep pass at the 15-yard line with 10 seconds left.
The sour ending spoiled an otherwise good night for Myers, who completed 23-of-34 passes for 227 yards and two touchdowns, while adding 18 carries for 136 yards and two scores on the ground.
It was Myers who had opened the scoring early in the first quarter, following up an interception by Marquis Williams with a 3-yard touchdown run for a quick 7-0 lead.
After a short Lakeview punt, John Pannell extended the advantage to 10-0 with a 35-yard field goal, and it swelled to 17-0 early in the second quarter when Myers threw a 21-yard touchdown pass to Bruce Brookins.
The Patriot offense had been stagnant to that point, but started to get some things working in the running game.
Lakeview moved 60 yards in eight plays, with Davenport scoring on a 10-yard run to make it 17-7.
Pannell added his second field goal of the half, this one from 22 yards, but the Patriots marched right back down the field and closed to within 20-14 on a 5-yard scoring run from Dominique Lewis.
The mark of a good team is how they finish one half and start the next and that looked like it would be the difference in the game when Myers threw a 30-yard touchdown pass to Tyrique Edwards with just 22 seconds left before halftime and Devine Ozigbo had a 5-yard touchdown run on the opening drive of the third quarter to make it 34-14.
The Mustangs were content to trade scores at that point, with Reid's 40-yard touchdown reception from Davenport getting matched by a 2-yard run by Myers that made it 41-21 with 2:20 left to play.
But that back-and-forth exchange became a one-sided affair from that point, as Lakeview refused to be denied down the stretch.
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