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Feb 7, 2012 5:56 AM
Why do you care about your K/D Ratio .. or any other stat ?
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I keep reading people ask "What's your K/D?" or "His K/D is rubbish!, therefore so is he (or she) "
Why do you care, are you that geeky that you check every stat in the game? Are you that much of a snob that you won't play with anyone with a low K/D?
I thought gaming was about fun & enjoyment !!
Before you ask, my K/D is probably sitting at around 0.70 (ish) but I couldn't really give a toss, I very rarely look at it, it certainly doesn't have any decision in who I play with and being so low (apparently) doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game.
I can go positive in plenty of games, I go negative in plenty of games too (as proved by my K/D but I still hold my own (ooo-eerr !!), I have improved and i win more than I lose now BUT I still don't care about any stats in the game (except for gettng to 10th ... lol).
I suppose it's a rant and i'm running out of steam now ...... enjoy the game, ignore the stats !!
Different aspects of the game are important to different people. Keeping track of K/D is not fun for you; for others it is. There is no problem either way (but I would say it is an issue when people force their views on others, no matter which side of the fence you stand on)
Just because you do not care, does not mean no one else should.
I don't care I've worked mine up from around 0.4 from when the game came out to about 0.9now. I'd be happy (purely on a personal level) to get positive, even just 1.001, but if I don't get there, that's OK.
As to what anyone else thinks about itm well they can go take a running jump lol . I enjoy the game, despite the lag issues.
"enjoy the game, ignore the stats" - couldn't agree more!
What does it matter to you what people find important? I agree with the general premise of your post that video games are for fun, but for me personally putting up a good game and getting a win is fun. I like to check my stats every once in a while as well. Doesn't mean the game isn't fun because I like to look at my K/D from time to time.
It is sign of skill. The higher the more skilled you are, or you are a cheater. If yours is low people would rather not play with you since you would make them lose. Losing is not fun
"It is a sign of skill"? You have got to be freaking kidding me? If you actually believe that I feel sorry for you.
People who post a positive k/d more often than not have worked their way at getting better at this game. I started playing COD regularly with black ops and had struggled to get my k/d to 1.11 by the time MW3 came out. Now I have a 1.5. To me I have noticed that I manage to have really good games more often than not, not always mind you, but it is a reflection of my improvement at playing this game. It is not a indication of skill per se, the word skill is misplaced. But I do believe it is a indication of proficiency. So I actually do believe that as I have seen how my ability to win in any game mode improve as my k/d improves. Feel sorry for me if you want, but I see the cause and effect.
I like the way you put that. I agree "skill" is the wrong word. I do believe the stats do have some redeeming features, and do show some form of proficiency or game knowledge, as long as they aren't manipulated to much.
Winning is fun and you're more likely to win when your team has more kills than deaths.
That being said, the only KDR I care about is my own. I watch it over time as a measure of my own improvement. I couldn't care less about what other people have, because it's only a snapshot and no real clue as to how they get or maintain the numbers they have.
Ever since I found a team to play with, I don't find myself playing with randoms very often. When I do, I play game modes where I don't have to depend on other players to help out.
KDR is what makes people do things like the guy I played against this guy on Fallen this morning, he was lying on the ground with a Heartbeat Sensor and Thermal Sight waiting for people to run past. Every time he went back, I gave a shout to my team on the mic but guess what ??, most did not go after them because they were camped up like little girsl !! .. He went 12-5 or something, does that 2-1 KDR make him a good player ??
KDR is the reason why, in 3 games of Infected the other day, most backed out when they started losing. I love this game mode and it was ruined by people obsessed with stats. Does their positive KDR make them good players ??
KDR makes people behave like scared little girls who just dont want their pretty little statistics ruined. It's a sad indictment of the game. I am 40 and play for fun, I like to try out all the guns, perks and killstreaks because thats what I bought the game for. If you aren't playing for fun then why are you ??
This guy knows what's up.
It is also dependent on how far in the game people have reached.
If you you have only started playing and have for example 100 kills and 50 deaths you would have a 2.00 K/D ratio, whereas im 7th prestige with 25000+ kills and 18000+ deaths but have a K/D ratio of 1.44.
The 2.00 looks more impressive than the 1.44 but when you examine it, 25000 kills is more impressive than 100. I hope ive made sense.
The only people who appear to say they dont care about K/D ratio are the people below 1.00 IMO.
I was more obssessed with K/D when i first started playing, but now i worry more about Win/Loss. Also because i play hardcore i have seen my accuracy drop way down for the simple reason that it technically takes 1 bullet to kill but i tend to hold the R1 button down so in a 30+ bullet clip i am actually wasting 28-29 bullets. I started playing core again last night and immediately my accuracy started to rise.
I don't care much for KDR, I'm more about W/L Ratio. But both are positive, and I like keeping it that way. It's competitive nature thats why.
I dnt lol
Im prestige 1 lvl 65 my KD is around 0.79 and rising and yet i play with my friend Jamsternater2012 who has a 3.3 KD or close to that . what im trying to say is even if someone has a low KD it doesent mean you shouldent play with them, when we play we win most-all matches we go into. just goes to show that high KDs may be better but low KDs can still be good.
I think for me, its that i have usually been in the 2.00kdr region, so i want to try and improve on this, maybe even get 3.00 one day
I'm currently 2.13kdr in Mw3, I think in COD4 I'm 2.56,, was 2.65 at one time i think.
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All stats are a waste of time in this game as they are easily maniplated, hacked or glitched, or affected by the lag. as long as in each game you play, you have more kills than deaths, thats what counts.
Keys to a beast KDR:
1) Play in a party
2) Play Domination
3) Camp flags for easy kills
4) Dashboard if things aren't going your way
Following these 4 easy steps, even average-skilled players can have an elite KDR. It's not hard and it's why ratio will NEVER matter in this game. Oh and there's one more if none of the above are your cup of tea:
5) Be on the good side of lag comp - this is an even better way to have beastly stats but is a little more difficult to ensure.
Stats can still be fun if you are using them for you, and try to improve them, i just hate them when people use them to discredit or laught at people, I mostly play random KC and when facing a pre-made team its almost certain that you ll lost, but i love the challenge it bring, sadly you often endup 3vs6 cause people bail out to save their stats.... Just hate when the pre-made do strategic camp vs random team, it make the game unplayable.
I have a K/D below 1 and i care about it and try my hardest to at least get it to even. My opinion is that I feel if i'm dying more than I kill then im hurting my team and I hate the feeling of being a burden even if they are strangers. If my team wins i could care less with my K/D was that match, but if we lose then i feel its my fault and i let my team down. Though I will say that depending on the game mode K/D does't mean everything, if im in the negative but i felt i did other things to contribute to the team then i feel a little better.
I agree with the premise of what you are saying but maybe not to the extreme you are talking.
I do think alot of players care way to much about stats and obtaining a number. I think it is the major reason why it seems like every COD camping is getting worse. People trying to maintain or obtain a high k/d. And I see k/d being the stat that is the most problematic. Like whoever it was said they saw a guy camping playing like a douche with a heartbeat.
But with that being said there is nothing wrong about caring about stats either. I do to an extent to see if I am getting better or worse or whatever, and it's not a bad thing to want to have decent stats. As long as you are having fun and enjoying playing the game that's all that matters.
different strokes for different folks, some people like the challenge of maintaining specific status or ratios...it's their deal, let 'em do what they like and you do what you like.
Can I like that more than once? Damn!
I used to care about my k/d but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I guess your the type of person who doesnt get why pitchers with better ERA's are sought after. Or ppl with higher batting averages or homeruns. It shows consitancy. Then again KD alone doesnt show everything. But it is a start.
Because people want to be good at the game? Its quite obvious. No offense.
Well before MW3 came out I challenged myself to try and maintain a 2 KD so far at prestige 7 I have, I just like to set goals for myself in everything (games,studies,gym).
well .. im normally a huge stat freak in games but only if the environment is controlled and conditions are equal .. and in call of duty there are just way too many variables that influence your KDR .. ive seen great players with a lousy KDR and aweful ones with a really good KDR .. and as mentioned before... now that infected counts towards your KDR it really ruins the whole stat for me...
i find it funny to enter a game with mostly lower prestige people and hear them talking on their mics about my stats and how bad my kdr is for being prestige 10 .. and then i kick their ass ingame (if the lag isnt too horrible and i did not get host...)
because i played many different modes and tried all weapons and many different setups i definitely did not always just try to keep up my KDR and it is only at 0.9 or something i think
I have to admit I like the stats. I would have preferred the Black Ops style leaderboards where diffo game modes contained different stats and k/ds. It would save me jumping on TDM just to nurse the k/d due to some awful plays on another game mode.
The MW leaderboards combined k/d is a step back from Black Ops. Dunno why they would even do such a thing......Sometimes you think they sacrafice progress just to keep identity. It's one franchise. If it works in one keep it in the other. We're all the same folk buying both studios games anyway!
I care about my KD because I feel it pushes me to continue to improve. I can easily go for an objective without any regard to the enemy who's waiting to pop me off. OR I can go for the objective AND kill a few enemies, making it easier for my team to help. It's just my opinion and I'm not trying to influence anybody. Different people have fun in different ideas of fun. You may not see any fun in maintaining a positive KD but some of us do. I don't see any fun in camping but some people do. I don't see any fun in going 3-21 but, again, some people do. You gotta remember that not everybody thinks the same as you. The sooner you realize this the better
I only care about Stats because they allow me to track my progress. Most of the fun in the game for me is continuing to get better at playing it. Say I am at a certain K/D number total, that is what I use to measure my game to game performance. I know if my K/D was lower than my overall K/D, then I did not perform up to my potential. If my K/D starts dropping, I know I am not getting better at the game. Same with W/L and all those other stats.
Stats simply just give me a way to measure my own evolution as a player.
I try to take pride on maintainig decent stats, K/D ratio basically shows how effective you are in the game (combat wise). I try to make myself better.
now the win loss ratio doesnt mean much if you do not have a team or clan you always play with and play with a bunch of randoms every time. if you do have a team and or clan then does the win/los ratio matter.
Stats are there for a reason reguardless if anyone cares or not. I play to win. i play seriously to have fun in the game.
I most try my best to play the game the way it was intended to be played. So if I can get good stats playing the game the way its suppose to be played then it make me happy, that people who have to play the game the wrong way dont even have as good stats. I mean I am not making money off of it but its like just something I do as a personal type deal but i feel some people take it too serious and camp and alot of other annoying type things that are annoying but you cant let the game bother you too much. It is after all just a game.
I don't care about kdr at all, It's by no means whatsoever a "sign of skill" and I really don't know how people can still believe this...
It kinda has something to do with the intent or ability to play to some degree. If they are 0.43 k/d you dont expect them to get 30 kills or be a asset to the team. And since noone plays to lose. You kinda use that to gauge the potential of the player. Not "skill" because this isnt skill at least not too me.
Yeah depends I know guys with high kdrs and as soon as the game might look tough they back out to preserve their precious kd, These are the same guys who as soon as they join a lobby they check the leaderboards for everyones kd and if someones might be decent they back out straight away.
You can hide in a corner and go 7-0 for the whole game and get a great kdr doing this but are you really better than the guy who runs around capping flags to ensure the win but goes negative in the process? I don't think so. Not to mention all the boosters out there with false kdrs.
I really don't think kdr is a decent measure of how well someone can play this game. "skill" is not the proper word here. Skill is what it takes to fly an aircraft or build a house. Thats skill. Sitting in front of a TV playing a video game doesn't take skill. Its an ability. As for the stats, I think they are and have been severly flawed in this type of game.
Think about it. I could just sit there get one kill per game then leave, and bam eventually my kdr will be through the roof. The w/l ratio would be nothing, but hey I have a high kdr, so what. I did nothing to achieve this.
Stats are so easily manipulated, that to me they mean nothing. But on the other hand as some have said here, they mean somthing to others. Some people live their life by it. To each his own. We all have our little quirks. I'll get drunk, break out the M60 and go Rambo style. Its a load of fun, and I just don't care about anything in the game.
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I really don't think kdr is a decent measure of how well someone can play this game. "skill" is not the proper word here. Skill is what it takes to fly an aircraft or build a house. Thats skill. Sitting in front of a TV playing a video game doesn't take skill. Its an ability. As for the stats, I think they are and have been severly flawed in this type of game.
Think about it. I could just sit there get one kill per game then leave, and bam eventually my kdr will be through the roof. The w/l ratio would be nothing, but hey I have a high kdr, so what. I did nothing to achieve this.
Stats are so easily manipulated, that to me they mean nothing. But on the other hand as some have said here, they mean somthing to others. Some people live their life by it. To each his own. We all have our little quirks. I'll get drunk, break out the M60 and go Rambo style. Its a load of fun, and I just don't care about anything in the game.
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I have to say this and it comes from a place of no condition on my part. Whether you have changed your status as to what you identify, is irrelevant to me. The only one it really should be relevant to is you. I am not out to convert to you "my" way of thinking. I am however showing you a perspective that you before did not realise WAS there. Unlike KOrsan to whom you replied, I do not agree that the "mind" IS the right thing, as the thoughts as to Gods and things like gods, are developed in the mind. As such, for me at least, the mind is NOT always "right". All it is is a shit load of conflicting information, you are obviously trying to juggle to find a "place" where you will be accepted.
All the things that we as humans, or ANY species for that matter just automatically DO are not dependent on thought. All these things that we DON'T have to think about are the only things we ALL really have in common.
As such, I have learned to trust my core "being" rather than my mind or my "heart". Others opinions of who I am, are now irrelevant to me. I appreciate I am at a different place to others in my life and that is something I understand completely... hey ...even the atheist "sub-set" I deal with tell me that they think I am weird. *shrug*.. I just say you think to much and listen little. lol
What ever you choose to trust of yourself though...mind, heart...whatever...again...is your journey and I hope that my comments did not come off as any "in your face" critique of you personally. It was not my intention at all.:)
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Thanks DarkMatter2525!
Just to recap a point from an earlier post:
I am an agnostic because I have no Knowledge as to whether or not a specific god exists.
I am an Atheist because I my lack belief in any god.
I am an Agnostic Atheist because I do not believe in any gods because I have no knowledge or evidence for their existence. No faith is required to hold this position.
Quick thought: If we say – as most believers do – that their god has a plan for them and that everything that happens to us is part of this plan. Whether we understand Gods mind is not important as He alone knows the reason why things happen. Therefore why pray? Surely prayer is asking your god to change his plans? Should Theists not desist from constantly imploring him to change his mind?
Hello Dale
As a former member of your ranks I retain a certain affection for your persistant inquiry. That is something that is lost among the majority of believers. Anyway as to our imperfect world I think it can be justified in two ways. The first is absolute total freedom. The world we live in permits us to fend for ourselves, disease can be eradicated without explicit divine intervention. Smallpox, once the scourge of europe and the americas, now exists only in laboratories. Many other diseases have been eradicated any many will soon follow suit. As horrid as a world is with malignant microbes is, I feel hope in the fact that we, really only 450 years or so practicing science, have gone to great lengths in combatting them. The human race is thus free to stand on its own. I think that the idea of mankind living perpetually in a sort of garden of eden may seem appealing, but upon further consideration it really is not. Man, fallen as the Christian knows, is not suited to live in such an environment. A once read a study on a tribe in africa, the efe that subsides entirely off the land, they do not have agriculture, or science, or written language,their extent of technology is a bow and arrow, they also have few predators and disease is not as much of a problem there as it is in the rift valley. They are unable to discover the great truths of our universe or reap the benefits of modern technology because they were never forced to survive in spite of their environment. In a way disease led us to discover microbes and from that discovery microbiology was born. I think a proper prayer for a christian to utter in this regard is thus, Lord, please facilitate new discoveries and help us to improve our lives upon the wondrous planet you have given us. Unfortunately, many people see prayer as a celestial ATM. This is most likely do to the trash culture that we have.
The second part of the answer is the afterlife. Obviously I am aware that almost everyone on this site will see it has simply "the great fiction" But the persistence of similar NDE's at least sow a seed of doubt. Also the difficulty in explaining the origin of Christianity without the resurrection seems to suggest that there could be a life after death. Nietzsche in his work, the antichrist, postulated that St.Paul was the architect of Christianity as a whole, and he invented the resurrection and promised the afterlife to gullible low class citizens of the empire. Apart from the latter part of the statement being untrue, Christianity was embraced by the educated greeks after much effort by St.Paul, Nietzsche fails to adress the obvious, why would St. Paul bother? He knew that death would come and gained little materially, especially considering that he was a roman citizen and therefore a member of the privileged elite in Jerusalem. So if there is an afterlife then the imperfect nature of our world is totally justified. The only thing that matters in this life is our charitable works towards our less privileged brothers and sisters and our reaction to the many trail, tribulations, and injustices that torment our existence. The Christian can hope in a final justice. The trilemma of Epicurus(and Hume) is justified in the next life, not this one.
Hello Manuel,
I think it is pretty strange to jump to a conclusion of an "afterlife" based on similarity of NDE's. What tends to be a common denominator IN NDE's is the patients all having hallucination, which is NOT possible if one is actually BRAIN DEAD.
Just wanted to point that out.
I did not say that one should jump to a conclusion, I merely said that it was something to consider, furthermore the NDE's that have been entered into the many studies published all must be in patients who had absolutely no brain function, they were in effect brain dead. This may arise from the fact that we do not yet fully understand consciousness. A study recently published suggests that consciousness may be a product of quantum mechanics,therefore it could be assumed that some residual consciousness remains after all brain activity ceases, but that was repudiated by fellow scientists, albiet not totally. So the question remains. Some MD on nbc said that his experience with NDE's led him to believe a couple of years ago.
It lacks a certain intellectual rigor to cite "some MD" and "numerous studies" and "a study recently published" but fail to specify which ones you mean.
Brain death is the irreversible cessation of all brain activity due to tissue necrosis. If these people woke up, they weren't brain dead. Besides, even if they truly did have "absolutely no brain function", there's no verifiable evidence that the NDE occurred at that moment, rather than before or after it.
We now have the technology and scientific knowledge to begin exploring the ultimate question," says Dr Sam Parnia, leader of the research team at London's Hammersmith Hospital. "To be honest, I started off as a sceptic but having weighed up all the evidence I now think that there is something going on.
Several scientific studies have suggested that the mind – or 'soul' - lives on after the body has died and the brain ceased to function. One study published in the prestigious Lancet medical journal found that one in ten cardiac arrest survivors experienced emotions, visions or lucid thoughts while they were clinically dead. In medical terms they were "flatliners" or unconscious with no signs of brain activity, pulse or breathing.
About one in four people who have a near-death experience also have a much more profound – and sometimes disturbing – experience such as watching doctors try and resuscitate their bodies. These 'out-of-body experiences' often include seeing a bright light, traveling down a tunnel, seeing their dead body from above, and meeting deceased relatives.
Dr Parnia has previously studied near-death experiences. Two years ago his work was published in the prestigious medical journal Resuscitation. Dr Parnia's team rigorously interviewed 63 cardiac arrest patients and discovered that seven had memories of their brief period of 'death', although only four passed the Grayson scale, the strict medical criteria for assessing near-death experiences. These four recounted feelings of peace and joy, they lost awareness of their own bodies, time speeded up, they saw a bright light and entered another world, encountered a mystical being and faced a "point of no return".
According to modern medicine all of these patients were effectively dead. Their brains had shut down and no thoughts or feelings were possible. There was certainly no possibility of the complex brain activity required for dreaming or hallucinating.
Dr Parnia's initial trial was especially rigorous - he wanted to confound his critics before they could muster their arguments. To rule out the possibility that near-death experiences resulted from hallucinations after the brain had collapsed through lack of oxygen, he rigorously monitored the concentrations of the vital gas in the patients' blood. Crucially, none of those who underwent the experiences had low levels of oxygen.
He was also able to rule out claims that unusual combinations of drugs were to blame because the resuscitation procedure was the same in every case, regardless of whether they had a near-death experience or not.
"Arch sceptics will always attack our work," says Dr Parnia. "I'm content with that. That's how science progresses. What is clear is that something profound is happening. The mind – the thing that is 'you' – your 'soul' if you will - carries on after conventional science says it should have drifted into nothingness."
Dr Parnia says that every near-death experience is subtly different but that they all share eight or nine key features, whatever the nationality, culture or religion of the patient. These include intense feelings of calmness, traveling down a long dark tunnel, being drawn into an intense loving light, seeing your dead body from above, and meeting long-deceased relatives or friends. A few experience a brief form of 'hell' where they are drawn, petrified, into a dark swirling well of bitterness, hatred and fear.
Look it up, even if the tissue is viable, if there are no electrical pulses or synapsis, then there can be no consciousness.
As for the Quantum Mechanics theory here is a good article if you have any interest.
Still no links to your sources of information on NDE: not for the quoted text above and not for any of NDE studies. You'd think that would be easy, since they are so numerous.
Note that you've switched premises, backpedaling from 'brain death', to 'clinical death', to 'no electrical pulses'.
Clinical death means the heart and lungs stop. That's not brain death, and neither is a temporary cessation of brain function. The living brain tissue, normal oxygen levels, and return to consciousness ends the "debate" right there: none of the four people died.
Patient: "Doctor, I feel a little drowsy."
Quack: "Sweet Jesus! His brain is DEAD!!! Check his oxygen level, STAT!"
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DH decided to do some painting on our upper front porch (railings, balusters, decking) we have traditionally used Sears weather beater paint but were out. We remember paying about $20 for a gallon of this. Turns out Sears no longer sells paints but they recommended Sherwin Williams as they said Sherwin Williams had supplied their paint anyway. The replacement paint was $62 a gallon! Obviously we will never be able to use this paint again and will switch to Behr. Between the rising costs of oil/gasoline/coffee and other food products our fixed income will fast become simply inadequate.This message has been edited. Last edited by: lady of shallot, | |||
Sorry, LOS, I'm not being unsympathetic here, but you'll never convince me that BEHR is anything worth my time and effort to use. SW has coupons and sales all the time. I'd wait just a little while and see what comes up. (I know, the season is working against you, but....) | ||||
Emily, our decent paint around here is very high priced. It's always been more here than in your country though. Most decent paints are around $40.00. If I want to paint, I try to hit a sale. ****Look at objects not only for what they are, but for what they could be, vg**** | ||||
Everything is higher. It's a sad fact of life! I did some painting this summer and couldn't believe how expensive paint was! Martha | ||||
YES, that is the story here in Florida too, everything is going up and up! Regular wall paint is about $40 a gallon unless you wait for a sale, then only get like $5 off sometimes. AND waiting until the last minute or waiting until damage is done makes the job need more supplies. Sorry you are realizing this, but it is a fact of life for all of us. We are all facing higher prices. And hiring out is very high cost for house painting. Just do a manageable amount of work at a time, like one side or one area, then move on to another area when you have the resources. That is how we tackle large costly projects. Some people have a yard sale to raise funds for a house project or appliance repair, like my neighbor did. Mary Ruth *****We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are! ***** (Anaias Nin)***** http://pinterest.com/mary_ruth/ | ||||
Fill out a card at Sherwin Williams for email alerts. They regularly (every 6 weeks or holidays) have sales on their paint lines. Often 30 percent off and less often 40 percent off. If I have a project coming up, I buy the paint at 40 percent off and then have it tinted there later when I finally decide on colors. | ||||
DH did get the discounts available. Still it cost him $49. Mary Ruth, this is what we do do. The bigger point I am trying to make is that we live on a fixed income, which has not changed in over 12 years (except it is really less as medicare charges increase every year) I am assuming that your husband is still working and maybe even in such a way that he can determine his own price for services. | ||||
We are on a fixed income also, and sadly, we cannot afford a transatlantic cruise or to travel as much as we'd like. Or, to buy a new car. But, we do take care of things in the house right away. It hurts for a minute, financially, but we also know that deferred maintenance will always cost more in the long run. | ||||
Sherwin Williams just had a 40% off sale that ended on 9/24. I love Lowe's Valspar for interior painting. Have never used the exterior. They offer rebates quite often. I remember loving the old Sears Weatherbeater paint - used it years ago. | ||||
You know Aychihuahua this is interesting. I just did some comparisons and you could cross the ocean for 12 gallons of Sherwin Williams paint! Naturally we do all the maintenance (except for furnace cleaning and elec/plumbing work) and in a timely manner. Luckily DH can do these chores here he is painting the balusters he also turned on a lathe a couple of years ago. Sadly though, not even for the price of several around the world cruises, could we afford the biggies like a new heating system or new kitchen or bathrooms. But then our house is old and anyone interested in buying it would not expect those updates. | ||||
For twelve gallons of paint? Uh, what kind of ship are we talking about? The Nina, the Pinta, or the Santa Maria? | ||||
The Queen Mary 2 and balcony or outside space. | ||||
But, ya gotta double that for two people and add in airfare to NY, for starters. ETA: According to Cunard's official website, the cheapest transatlantic crossing for 2013 on the QM2, at 7 days, was $1,119 per person for an inside cabin and $1495 for a balcony cabin, and those were "special offers," if you book by Nov 2012. Then, how to get back home? Either we book another transatlantic cruise back to NY and then fly home to Austin. Or, we fly directly from Southampton to Austin. That adds another $2500 to $3000 min. for 2. Perhaps a good travel agent can get the price down for a complete package, but I can have the complete exterior of my home professionally painted about 3 times for that price. Just sayin.'This message has been edited. Last edited by: aychihuahua, | ||||
Not for us! And the cheapest fare is actually $749 for a crossing in November. That is for one person. I think the point I was trying to make was that there are bargains in everything. Not that I feel the need to defend my choices but after a lifetime of never having a vacation, after retirement we did decide to take some trips that included transatlantic travel (DH will not fly) I actually dearly love to be in the middle of the ocean with nothing in sight except the sea and the sky. Also for a weeks vacation it is a pretty good deal. Of course the meals are extraordinary and served beautifully and graciously. The accommodations are comfortable and cleaned twice a day. Entertainment is superb and constant (you can walk from one end of the ship to another and hear a pianist in one lounge, a string quartet elsewhere, the jangle of slot machines, dance lessons, and maybe a movie playing in the theatre. On the QM 2 you can even watch a planetarium show. The lectures are wonderful, on our last cruise(s) there was a history person, a movie producer, a British detective. We have seen John Cleese and many wonderful comedians and stunning dance productions with extremely talented dancers. This last time we even decided to just plain read a lot. All the Cunard ships have wonderful libraries. You meet wonderful, interesting people . . . like the British detective I got quite friendly with. People that can bring to a lunch table all their interesting travels and sometimes residencies in fascinating places. I'd better stop as I am making myself so homesick for being aboard! Anyway if you have not done so I can not recommend taking a cruise enough! Just avoid any party ships! In order to do these trips we have had to deprive ourselves of many choices others would make.This message has been edited. Last edited by: lady of shallot, | ||||
Dear Friends, IF you think things are high now, they are NOTHING compared to what they are going to be. Hate to be the bearer of gloom and doom but get ready for a sky rocketing inflation rate. | ||||
Love, Lu, I agree with your honesty 100%. I always appreciate your candor. You are one of the most honest people I've witnessed in cyber world. We better get ready for we have seen nothing yet. This is mild in comparison to what is to come unless..............(you fill in the blanks!) | ||||
Love, Lu, paintlady, My doctor remarked last month...'hold onto your seat... the ride of medical costs is about to get rough'! She said prices for medical are about to go very high! I said 'you are scaring me', she said 'I am not joking'.!!! Mary Ruth *****We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are! ***** (Anaias Nin)***** http://pinterest.com/mary_ruth/ | ||||
I also agree. Today our property taxes are due so in transferring money only once I added up the current bills I will also be paying in a day or two. Our water bill for the month is (for the first time) over $100! Co-incidentally I also happen to be reading 3 books that all take place in the 1930's, one a novel, one a memoir, one a history. I think an awful lot of us are going to be experiencing those kind of times and we all know what ended that depression! | ||||
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